,target,text 0,9,"From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu ( ) Subject: Re: Cubs behind Marlins? How? Article-I.D.: agate.1pt592$f9a Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu gajarsky@pilot.njin.net writes: morgan and guzman will have era's 1 run higher than last year, and the cubs will be idiots and not pitch harkey as much as hibbard. castillo won't be good (i think he's a stud pitcher) This season so far, Morgan and Guzman helped to lead the Cubs at top in ERA, even better than THE rotation at Atlanta. Cubs ERA at 0.056 while Braves at 0.059. We know it is early in the season, we Cubs fans have learned how to enjoy the short triumph while it is still there. " 1,4,"From: gnelson@pion.rutgers.edu (Gregory Nelson) Subject: Thanks Apple: Free Ethernet on my C610! Article-I.D.: pion.Apr.6.12.05.34.1993.11732 Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 26 Well, I just got my Centris 610 yesterday. It took just over two weeks from placing the order. The dealer (Rutgers computer store) appologized because Apple made a substitution on my order. I ordered the one without ethernet, but they substituted one _with_ ethernet. He wanted to know if that would be ""alright with me""!!! They must be backlogged on Centri w/out ethernet so they're just shipping them with! Anyway, I'm very happy with the 610 with a few exceptions. Being nosy, I decided to open it up _before_ powering it on for the first time. The SCSI cable to the hard drive was only partially connected (must have come loose in shipping). No big deal, but I would have been pissed if I tried to boot it and it wouldn't come up! The hard drive also has an annoying high pitched whine. I've heard apple will exchange it if you complain, so I might try to get it swapped. I am also dissappionted by the lack of soft power-on/off. This wasn't mentioned in any of the literature I saw. Also, the location of the reset/interupt buttons is awful. Having keyboard control for these functions was much more convenient. Oh, and the screen seems tojump in a wierd way on power-up. I've seen this mentioned by others, so it must be a...feature... Anyway, above all, it's fast. A great machine at a great price! gnelson@physics.rutgers.edu " 2,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 10/10 - References Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 333 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 10 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, References. History and classical methods. Modern methods. Survey and reference articles. Journals and conference proceedings. Electronic sources (FTP sites). Related newsgroups. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part10 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 10: References This is the tenth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in this part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents * Books on history and classical methods * Books on modern methods * Survey articles * Reference articles * Journals, conference proceedings * Other * Electronic sources * RFCs (available from [FTPRF]) * Related newsgroups * Books on history and classical methods [CF] Lambros D. Callimahos, William F. Friedman, Military Cryptanalytics. Aegean Park Press, ?. [DEA85] Cipher A. Deavours & Louis Kruh, Machine Cryptography and Modern Cryptanalysis. Artech House, 610 Washington St., Dedham, MA 02026, 1985. [FRIE2] William F. Friedman, Solving German Codes in World War I. Aegean Park Press, ?. [GAI44] H. Gaines, Cryptanalysis, a study of ciphers and their solution. Dover Publications, 1944. [HIN00] F.H.Hinsley, et al., British Intelligence in the Second World War. Cambridge University Press. (vol's 1, 2, 3a, 3b & 4, so far). XXX Years and authors, fix XXX [HOD83] Andrew Hodges, Alan Turing: The Enigma. Burnett Books Ltd., 1983 [KAH91] David Kahn, Seizing the Enigma. Houghton Mifflin, 1991. [KAH67] D. Kahn, The Codebreakers. Macmillan Publishing, 1967. [history] [The abridged paperback edition left out most technical details; the original hardcover edition is recommended.] [KOZ84] W. Kozaczuk, Enigma. University Publications of America, 1984 [KUL76] S. Kullback, Statistical Methods in Cryptanalysis. Aegean Park Press, 1976. [SIN66] A. Sinkov, Elementary Cryptanalysis. Math. Assoc. Am. 1966. [WEL82] Gordon Welchman, The Hut Six Story. McGraw-Hill, 1982. [YARDL] Herbert O. Yardley, The American Black Chamber. Aegean Park Press, ?. * Books on modern methods [BEK82] H. Beker, F. Piper, Cipher Systems. Wiley, 1982. [BRA88] G. Brassard, Modern Cryptology: a tutorial. Spinger-Verlag, 1988. [DEN82] D. Denning, Cryptography and Data Security. Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, 1982. [KOB89] N. Koblitz, A course in number theory and cryptography. Springer-Verlag, 1987. [KON81] A. Konheim, Cryptography: a primer. Wiley, 1981. [MEY82] C. Meyer and S. Matyas, Cryptography: A new dimension in computer security. Wiley, 1982. [PAT87] Wayne Patterson, Mathematical Cryptology for Computer Scientists and Mathematicians. Rowman & Littlefield, 1987. [PFL89] C. Pfleeger, Security in Computing. Prentice-Hall, 1989. [PRI84] W. Price, D. Davies, Security for computer networks. Wiley, 1984. [RUE86] R. Rueppel, Design and Analysis of Stream Ciphers. Springer-Verlag, 1986. [SAL90] A. Saloma, Public-key cryptography. Springer-Verlag, 1990. [WEL88] D. Welsh, Codes and Cryptography. Claredon Press, 1988. * Survey articles [ANG83] D. Angluin, D. Lichtenstein, Provable Security in Crypto- systems: a survey. Yale University, Department of Computer Science, #288, 1983. [BET90] T. Beth, Algorithm engineering for public key algorithms. IEEE Selected Areas of Communication, 1(4), 458--466, 1990. [DAV83] M. Davio, J. Goethals, Elements of cryptology. in Secure Digital Communications, G. Longo ed., 1--57, 1983. [DIF79] W. Diffie, M. Hellman, Privacy and Authentication: An introduction to cryptography. IEEE proceedings, 67(3), 397--427, 1979. [DIF88] W. Diffie, The first ten years of public key cryptography. IEEE proceedings, 76(5), 560--577, 1988. [FEI73] H. Feistel, Cryptography and Computer Privacy. Scientific American, 228(5), 15--23, 1973. [FEI75] H. Feistel, H, W. Notz, J. Lynn Smith. Some cryptographic techniques for machine-to-machine data communications, IEEE IEEE proceedings, 63(11), 1545--1554, 1975. [HEL79] M. Hellman, The mathematics of public key cryptography. Scientific American, 130--139, 1979. [LAK83] S. Lakshmivarahan, Algorithms for public key cryptosystems. In Advances in Computers, M. Yovtis ed., 22, Academic Press, 45--108, 1983. [LEM79] A. Lempel, Cryptology in transition, Computing Surveys, 11(4), 285--304, 1979. [MAS88] J. Massey, An introduction to contemporary cryptology, IEEE proceedings, 76(5), 533--549, 1988. [SIM91] G. Simmons (ed.), Contemporary Cryptology: the Science of Information Integrity. IEEE press, 1991. * Reference articles [AND83] D. Andelman, J. Reeds, On the cryptanalysis of rotor and substitution-permutation networks. IEEE Trans. on Inform. Theory, 28(4), 578--584, 1982. [BEN87] John Bennett, Analysis of the Encryption Algorithm Used in the WordPerfect Word Processing Program. Cryptologia 11(4), 206--210, 1987. [BER91] H. A. Bergen and W. J. Caelli, File Security in WordPerfect 5.0. Cryptologia 15(1), 57--66, January 1991. [BIH91] E. Biham and A. Shamir, Differential cryptanalysis of DES-like cryptosystems. Journal of Cryptology, vol. 4, #1, 3--72, 1991. [BI91a] E. Biham, A. Shamir, Differential cryptanalysis of Snefru, Khafre, REDOC-II, LOKI and LUCIFER. In Proceedings of CRYPTO '91, ed. by J. Feigenbaum, 156--171, 1992. [BOY89] J. Boyar, Inferring Sequences Produced by Pseudo-Random Number Generators. Journal of the ACM, 1989. [BRI86] E. Brickell, J. Moore, M. Purtill, Structure in the S-boxes of DES. In Proceedings of CRYPTO '86, A. M. Odlyzko ed., 3--8, 1987. [BRO89] L. Brown, A proposed design for an extended DES, Computer Security in the Computer Age. Elsevier Science Publishers B.V. (North Holland), IFIP, W. J. Caelli ed., 9--22, 1989. [BRO90] L. Brown, J. Pieprzyk, J. Seberry, LOKI - a cryptographic primitive for authentication and secrecy applications. In Proceedings of AUSTCRYPT 90, 229--236, 1990. [CAE90] H. Gustafson, E. Dawson, W. Caelli, Comparison of block ciphers. In Proceedings of AUSCRYPT '90, J. Seberry and J. Piepryzk eds., 208--220, 1990. [CAM93] K. W. Campbell, M. J. Wiener, Proof the DES is Not a Group. In Proceedings of CRYPTO '92, 1993. [ELL88] Carl M. Ellison, A Solution of the Hebern Messages. Cryptologia, vol. XII, #3, 144-158, Jul 1988. [EVE83] S. Even, O. Goldreich, DES-like functions can generate the alternating group. IEEE Trans. on Inform. Theory, vol. 29, #6, 863--865, 1983. [GAR91] G. Garon, R. Outerbridge, DES watch: an examination of the sufficiency of the Data Encryption Standard for financial institutions in the 1990's. Cryptologia, vol. XV, #3, 177--193, 1991. [GIL80] Gillogly, ?. Cryptologia 4(2), 1980. [GM82] Shafi Goldwasser, Silvio Micali, Probabilistic Encryption and How To Play Mental Poker Keeping Secret All Partial Information. Proceedings of the Fourteenth Annual ACM Symposium on Theory of Computing, 1982. [HUM83] D. G. N. Hunter and A. R. McKenzie, Experiments with Relaxation Algorithms for Breaking Simple Substitution Ciphers. Computer Journal 26(1), 1983. [KAM78] J. Kam, G. Davida, A structured design of substitution- permutation encryption networks. IEEE Trans. Information Theory, 28(10), 747--753, 1978. [KIN78] P. Kinnucan, Data encryption gurus: Tuchman and Meyer. Cryptologia, vol. II #4, 371--XXX, 1978. [KRU88] Kruh, ?. Cryptologia 12(4), 1988. [LAI90] X. Lai, J. Massey, A proposal for a new block encryption standard. EUROCRYPT 90, 389--404, 1990. [LUB88] C. Rackoff, M. Luby, How to construct psuedorandom permutations from psuedorandom functions. SIAM Journal of Computing, vol. 17, #2, 373--386, 1988. [MAS88] J. Massey, An introduction to contemporary cryptology. IEEE proceedings, 76(5), 533--549, 1988. [ME91a] R. Merkle, Fast software encryption functions. In Proceedings of CRYPTO '90, Menezes and Vanstone ed., 476--501, 1991. [MEY78] C. Meyer, Ciphertext/plaintext and ciphertext/key dependence vs. number of rounds for the Data Encryption Standard. AFIPS Conference proceedings, 47, 1119--1126, 1978. [NBS77] Data Encryption Standard. National Bureau of Standards, FIPS PUB 46, Washington, DC, January 1977. [REE77] J. Reeds, `Cracking' a Random Number Generator. Cryptologia 1(1), 20--26, 1977. [REE84] J. A. Reeds and P. J. Weinberger, File Security and the UNIX Crypt Command. AT&T Bell Laboratories Technical Journal, Vol. 63 #8, part 2, 1673--1684, October, 1984. [SHA49] C. Shannon, Communication Theory of Secrecy Systems. Bell System Technical Journal 28(4), 656--715, 1949. [SHE88] B. Kaliski, R. Rivest, A. Sherman, Is the Data Encryption Standard a Group. Journal of Cryptology, vol. 1, #1, 1--36, 1988. [SHI88] A. Shimizu, S. Miyaguchi, Fast data encipherment algorithm FEAL. EUROCRYPT '87, 267--278, 1988. [SOR84] A. Sorkin, LUCIFER: a cryptographic algorithm. Cryptologia, 8(1), 22--35, 1984. * Journals, conference proceedings CRYPTO Eurocrypt IEEE Transactions on Information Theory Cryptologia: a cryptology journal, quarterly since Jan 1977. Cryptologia; Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology; Terre Haute Indiana 47803 [general: systems, analysis, history, ...] Journal of Cryptology; International Association for Cryptologic Research; published by Springer Verlag (quarterly since 1988). The Cryptogram (Journal of the American Cryptogram Association); 18789 West Hickory Street; Mundelein, IL 60060; [primarily puzzle cryptograms of various sorts] Cryptosystems Journal, Published by Tony Patti, P.O. Box 188, Newtown PA, USA 18940-0188 or tony_s_patti@cup.portal.com. Publisher's comment: Includes complete cryptosystems with source and executable programs on diskettes. Tutorial. The typical cryptosystems supports multi-megabit keys and Galois Field arithmetic. Inexpensive hardware random number generator details. Computer and Communication Security Reviews, published by Ross Anderson. Sample issue available from various ftp sites, including black.ox.ac.uk. Editorial c/o rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk. Publisher's comment: We review all the conference proceedings in this field, including not just Crypto and Eurocrypt, but regional gatherings like Auscrypt and Chinacrypt. We also abstract over 50 journals, and cover computer security as well as cryptology, so readers can see the research trends in applications as well as theory. * Other Address of note: Aegean Park Press, P.O. Box 2837, Laguna Hills, CA 92654-0837. Answering machine at 714-586-8811. The ``Orange Book'' is DOD 5200.28-STD, published December 1985 as part of the ``rainbow book'' series. Write to Department of Defense, National Security Agency, ATTN: S332, 9800 Savage Road, Fort Meade, MD 20755-6000, and ask for the Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria. Or call 301-766-8729. [BAMFD] Bamford, The Puzzle Palace. Penguin Books, ?. [GOO83] I. J. Good, Good Thinking: the foundations of probability and its applications. University of Minnesota Press, 1983. [KNU81] D. E. Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming, volume 2: Seminumerical Algorithms. Addison-Wesley, 1981. [KUL68] Soloman Kullbach, Information Theory and Statistics. Dover, 1968. [YAO88] A. Yao, Computational Information Theory. In Complexity in Information Theory, ed. by Abu-Mostafa, 1988. * How may one obtain copies of FIPS and ANSI standards cited herein? Many textbooks on cryptography contain complete reprints of the FIPS standards, which are not copyrighted. The following standards may be ordered from the U.S. Department of Commerce, National Technical Information Service, Springfield, VA 22161. FIPS PUB 46-1 ""Data Encryption Standard"" (this is DES) FIPS PUB 74 ""Guidelines for Implementing as Using the NBS DES"" FIPS PUB 81 ""DES Modes of Operation"" FIPS PUB 113 ""Computer Data Authentication"" (using DES) The following standards may be ordered from the American National Standards Institute Sales Office, 1430 Broadway, New York, NY 10018. Phone 212.642.4900 ANSI X3.92-1981 ""Data Encryption Algorithm"" (identical to FIPS 46-1) ANSI X3.106-1983 ""DEA Modes of Operation"" (identical to FIPS 113) Notes: Figure 3 in FIPS PUB 46-1 is in error, but figure 3 in X3.92-1981 is correct. The text is correct in both publications. * Electronic sources Anonymous ftp: [FTPBK] ftp.uu.net:bsd-sources/usr.bin/des/ [FTPCB] ftp.uu.net:usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume10/cbw/ [FTPDF] ftp.funet.fi:pub/unix/security/destoo.tar.Z [FTPEY] ftp.psy.uq.oz.au:pub/DES/ [FTPMD] rsa.com:? [FTPMR] cl-next3.cl.msu.edu:pub/crypt/newdes.tar.Z [FTPOB] ftp.3com.com:Orange-book [FTPPF] prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/lpf/ [FTPPK] ucsd.edu:hamradio/packet/tcpip/crypto/des.tar.Z [FTPRF] nic.merit.edu:documents/rfc/ [FTPSF] beta.xerox.com:pub/hash/ [FTPSO] chalmers.se:pub/des/des.1.0.tar.Z [FTPUF] ftp.uu.net:usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume28/ufc-crypt/ [FTPWP] garbo.uwasa.fi:pc/util/wppass2.zip * RFCs (available from [FTPRF]) 1424 Kaliski, B. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part IV: Key Certification and Related Services. 1993 February; 9 p. (Format: TXT=17538 bytes) 1423 Balenson, D. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part III: Algorithms, Modes, and Identifiers. 1993 February; 14 p. (Format: TXT=33278 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 1115) 1422 Kent, S. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part II: Certificate-Based Key Management. 1993 February; 32 p. (Format: TXT=86086 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 1114) 1421 Linn, J. Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part I: Message Encryption and Authentication Procedures. 1993 February; 42 p. (Format: TXT=103895 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC 1113) * Related newsgroups There are other newsgroups which a sci.crypt reader might want also to read. Some have their own FAQ as well. alt.comp.compression discussion of compression algorithms and code alt.security general security discussions alt.security.index index to alt.security alt.security.pgp discussion of PGP alt.security.ripem discussion of RIPEM alt.society.civil-liberty general civil liberties, including privacy comp.org.eff.news News reports from EFF comp.org.eff.talk discussion of EFF related issues comp.patents discussion of S/W patents, including RSA comp.risks some mention of crypto and wiretapping comp.society.privacy general privacy issues comp.security.announce announcements of security holes misc.legal.computing sci.math general math discussion " 3,4,"From: () Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: Apple Computer Inc. Lines: 28 > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an > example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special ""Mac-compatible"" > firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable ""blind writes"" > To the best of my knowledge there aren't any problems with Quadras and blind transfers. Trouble with blind transfers usually means the programmer screwed up the TIBs or didn't test their driver with the device in question. Well designed TIBs poll or loop at every point where delays of >16µsec occur. This usually occurs at the first byte of each block of a transfer but some devices can ""hiccup"" in the middle of blocks. If this happens in the middle of a blind transfer there is the possibility of losing or gaining a byte depending on which direction the tranfer was going. In anycase the SCSI Manager will eventually return a phase error at the end of the transaction because it is out of sync. Actual data loss would only occur if the driver didn't pay attention to the errors coming back. Note that this effect is not caused by anything actually on the SCSI Bus but rather by the transfer loops inside the SCSI Manager. The problem occurs when the processor bus errors trying to access the SCSI chip when the next byte hasn't been clocked yet. Also note that the Bus Error is dealt with by a bus error handler and doesn't crash the machine... Clinton Bauder Apple Computer " 4,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: To show that the examples I and others >have provided are *not* counter examples of your supposed inherent >moral hypothesis, you have to successfully argue that >domestication removes or alters this morality. I think that domestication will change behavior to a large degree. Domesticated animals exhibit behaviors not found in the wild. I don't think that they can be viewed as good representatives of the wild animal kingdom, since they have been bred for thousands of years to produce certain behaviors, etc. keith " 5,4,"From: taihou@chromium.iss.nus.sg (Tng Tai Hou) Subject: ADB and graphics tablet help! Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS Lines: 13 Help!!! I have an ADB graphicsd tablet which I want to connect to my Quadra 950. Unfortunately, the 950 has only one ADB port and it seems I would have to give up my mouse. Please, can someone help me? I want to use the tablet as well as the mouse (and the keyboard of course!!!). Thanks in advance. Tai Hou TNG Singapore " 6,5,"From: huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker) Subject: waiting for a specific event/callback Keywords: event handling Reply-To: Huub.Bakker@cwi.nl Organization: CWI, Centre for Mathematics & Computer Science Lines: 30 Hello world, I want to write my Xt-application code like this: { do_some_work(); /* now I need some user input */ XmCreateDialog(); wait_for_user_input(input); if (input == ""OK"") { more_work(); } else { other_work(); } } So ""more_work() and other_work()"" are not in callback functions but the application simply waits for the user to answer the question. How can I code this in my Xt/Motif-application? Thanks very much in advance. Greetings, Huub. -- CWI, P.O. Box 4079 Huub Bakker (huub@cwi.nl) 1009 AB Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel. 31 20 5924080 " 7,5,"From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Subject: Re: Key definitions in Emacs + X Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Organization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC Lines: 44 In a prior article ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) wrote: > Hi. > > I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. > When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, > I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's > keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all > seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling > this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some > xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? Unfortunately, the key event handling is pretty much hardwired into emacs. I ran into this problem a while back; my solution was to change the source code so that all of these special keys generated character sequences which basically encoded the keysym and modifier state as escape sequences -- for example, the sequence ""ESC [ 1 B 7"" would indicate that the ""HOME"" key was pressed, with the shift key down. You could also detect standard keys with odd modifiers, such as ""shift-Return"". If anybody wants these changes, they're welcome to them, but you'll have to have the source available and be comfortable munging with it a bit. Basically you have to replace the keypress handling code in the source file ""x11term.c"". Maybe if someone at OSF is interested, I can send them the tweaks, but I imagine they've got bigger fish to fry (hopefully including the much talked about emacs V19!). If there's sufficient interest, I'll post the mods somewhere, although this probably isn't the appropriate group for it. Notes: * This special code will only apply if you let emacs create its own (X11) window. If you run it in plain old tty mode (which includes Xterm windows) then it's business as usual. * The patches I made were to version 18.58, under Sun OS 4.1.2 [I also did this a while back under HP-UX]. The patches are in a chunk of code between '#if sun ... #endif' but could easily be adapted for anything else. +-------------------------------------------------------+------- /// -----+ | Mark Lanzo KD4QLZ lanzo@tekelec.com 919-460-5576 | \\\/// | +-------------------------------------------------------+---- \XX/ -------+ " 8,13,"Subject: Why isolate it? From: chinsz@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Hinsz) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 13 Does anyone on this newsgroup happen to know WHY morphine was first isolated from opium? If you know why, or have an idea for where I could look to find this info, please mail me. CSH any suggestionas would be greatly appreciated -- ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" Sir George Head, OBE (JC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LOGIC: ""The point is frozen, the beast is dead, what is the difference?"" Gavin Millarrrrrrrrrr (JC) " 9,12,"From: seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) Subject: IC Packages Organization: Columbia University X-Posted-From: britain.madvlsi.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 28 Hi, I am looking for some help in choosing a package for a high-speed silicon ADC (100Mhz) currently being fabricated. This is a PhD research project and I have to test the chip at speed on a PCB. I expect to have roughly 100 packaged circuits and will do DC, low-speed and high-speed testing using 3 different set-ups for the test chip. I know for sure that a DIP will not work (the long lead lines have too high an inductance). Getting a custom-made package is too expensive, so I am trying to choose between a flatpak and a leadless chip carrier. The flatpack would be hard to test since it has to be soldered on to the test setup and I would spend loads of time soldering as I kept changing the test chip. The leadless chip carrier sockets also have long lead lines and may not work at high speeds. Does anyone out there have experience/knowledge of this field ? I would greatly appreciate help! Any ideas/ names of companies manufacturing holders/sockets/packages would help. P.S. The multi-layer fancy GaAs packages seem like a bit of overkill(?) --- Seema Varma " 10,17,"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) Subject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France Lines: 40 In article , jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: |> In article <1993Apr13.172422.2407@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) writes: |> |> >According to Exodus, there were 600,000 Jews that marched out of Egypt. |> |> This is only the number of adult males. The total number of Jewish |> slaves leaving Egypt was much larger. |> |> >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been |> >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the |> >Jewish tribes on the way.. |> > |> >NABIL |> |> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is |> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not |> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so |> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no "" killings |> between the Jewish tribes on the way."" I don't like this comment about ""Typical"" thinking. You could state your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can unify as well. |> Jake |> -- |> Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will |> American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the |> My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. -- =============================================================== Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr =============================================================== " 11,11,"From: george@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: Non-word password generator Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 10 Does anyone know of a non-word password generator program for PC's?? i.e. it will produce a nonsense word but still be pronouncible. e.g. lisgollan Wanted to ""force"" users to adopt more secure passwords, but still be memorable! Thanks - George Bolt p.s. please email me as well if possible ""george@psychmips.york.ac.uk"" " 12,10,"From: williac@govonca.gov.on.ca (Chris Williams) Subject: Re: STOP MAYNARD BASHING!!!! (was Re: Roger Maynard) Keywords: not fair, inconsiderate post Organization: Government of Ontario Distribution: world Lines: 35 In <1993Apr16.225806.10680@julian.uwo.ca> lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: >>Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an >>article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? >>These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts >>and have little if any hockey info. >>I have recieved two in the last 2 days. >>I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who >>disagrees with him. >> >>Gregmeister >> >You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any >bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not >all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming >at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the >like! >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada > lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca >_______________________________________________________________________________ Speaking of Roger, where is his comments from last nights game. You have to admit he can make a nothing game sound like it was game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. Roger pushes the Leafs so much it even bothers me, a long time supporter but he does have a good overall idea of the game. Wow I just gave R.M a compliment, guess I better stop it with the Rye + Water before I give him another.. " 13,6,"From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear) Subject: Optonica tuner and Integrated amp forsale: Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 29 I have an old Optonica tuner and integrated amp that I no longer use. The integrated amp section does not work right now but should not cost much to fix. I believe that it is just a Chip. I have used it as a preamp and it works great! This is a very nice looking and well built set. They both are low profile but the amp is rather heavy. The tuner is in fine working condition and is a match to the amp. The amp is rated at 75w/ch. These peices went for about $850 New. I would like to get $150. obo for the pair. If anybody has knowledge anough to fix the amp, I have had an estimate done that it should cost less than $50 in parts. Please email me if you are interested. I will be moving back home for the summer and will sell it back there if I do not do so here. Todd -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% (___________________________________ % Todd Premo / / / % Purdue Universtiy / __ __ / __ / % Environmental Engineering " 14,5,"From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 23 In article ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: |> |> Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager |>place the window where the create window command tells it, |>regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has |>reason to know better) |> |> I don't want to set the override-redirect because I do |>want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just |>want the wm to accept my choice of location. What ""it may think is right"" may be exactly what the user wants. Assuming that your application ""has reason to know better"" is, IMHO, anti-social. If I start your application with a -geometry option are you going to ignore that as well? There's really no way to force a window manager to do much of anything if it's managing your window. You can ask, you can hint, but there's no guarantee that you're going to get what you want. -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM " 15,10,"From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: Re: Lemieux, NHLPA'93, and other thoughts Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 16 I think that NHLPA' 93 is the best video game available now. of course many things could be done better, but i really appreciate that the names of players are the real ones, no matter if it lacks some logos... I am still playing it since November leading different teams to the finals and making scorers from the same team compete for the top scoring: Yesterday I won the title using Toronto against Hartford (4 games to two), I played the playoffs in a 7 games fashion (5 minutes for each period) and the best scorer and shooter was Gilmour (116 shots if I remember well) -- _____________________________________________________ Iskander AYARI Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr _____________________________________________________ " 16,7,"From: wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) Subject: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes: features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman & checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park not fumbling in my purse looking for them .... This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? " 17,2,"From: davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz (David White) Subject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Organization: Industrial Research Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz In <93721@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) writes: >In article slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes: >>Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution >>quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, > Take a look at ftp.cica.indiana.edu at pub/pc/win3/(util?misc?) >for a program caleld vswitch.zip.It's as close to want you want as you can >get in WIn3.1 ... I think George is referring to switch.zip in the ~ftp/pub/pc/win3/drivers/video directory. Description reads -- Switcher: Windows Video Mode Switcher. -- david white (engineer, Goon fan & son of my Dad) Internet davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz Fax +64 9 443-4737 " 18,11,"From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) Subject: Re: More technical details Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 17 The system, or 'family', key would appear to be cryptographically useless, since *every* chip must know it and be able to remove its effects from the bitstream. I daresay that it will be widely known almost immediately after this system is deployed, and since it's been pointed out that there is not a separate decrypt key -- the same key is used for both encryption and decryption -- there goes any benefit to the use of a system-wide key in SkipJack. -- Robert Bickford ""A Hacker is any person who derives joy from rab@well.sf.ca.us discovering ways to circumvent limitations."" rab'86 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ""I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile delinquents has taken to calling themselves 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant to the true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls themselves 'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact any attention."" rab'90 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 19,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes: A note to users of Plexi-Fairings: If the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing glass and will melt a hole in your guage pod! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. 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Johnny Hodapp, the greatest 2nd baseman in Cleveland Indians >history? 225 hits in 1930, consistantly over .300. A great, great second baseman. Um, the header said *career.* Hodapp managed about 3000 PA in his nine years in the majors. As for his ""consistently over .300,"" make that ""three years in a row, preceded by a part-time year, plus his last year, with Boston."" Hodapp only qualified for the batting title five times. Was he injured? He retired right around his 28th birthday. Anyway, Hodapp put up flashy numbers the year *everybody* put up flashy numbers. That was his only really good year with a bat; his other .300 years were marred by a lack of power and an inability to draw walks. Only 163 of those 3000 PA were bases on balls, which does not describe a feared hitter. On the other hand, he was part of the long line of famous Cleveland 2B: Wambsganss, Riggs Stephenson, etc. Roger > >Jon ""Johnny"" Hodapp >jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu >=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > " 22,7,"From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) Subject: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Lines: 57 In article <1qhs7dINNj2b@hp-col.col.hp.com> tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes: > ... experience with Jeep service dept ... > While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently when I bought a new truck. I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck. When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it, snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by the turn of events. Early the next morning I got a call from the general sales manager wanting to know what happened. I related the story and he apologised profusely and asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind. I told him that if they gave me the truck for free I probably still wouldn't take it, that there were other dealers in town, I was a repeat customer of theirs and that they should learn how to treat customers,etc,etc...I was still pretty steamed about the whole affair. He gave me the line about hating to lose a customer and they would try to find a solution, etc, etc. I told him not to bother, thanks, I'd go somewhere else. A couple hours later, the owner of the dealership called me, all apologetic, etc, etc, etc, and said that they would cover the $150 plus knock another $400 off the price of the truck. I told him I'd think about it and he gave me his private, direct phone number, his secretary's name, and assured me that they valued me as a customer, etc etc etc.... I thought about it for a few hours and discussed it with my wife and we decided, what the hell...that was a pretty decent deal, so I called him back and accepted his offer. When I went back the next day to pick up the truck, I received the royal treatment. Everyone seemed to know about the incident, even the lot boy. Everything went smoothly and I was out of there in my new truck in about 30 mins. So, I guess I'm a reasonably satisfied customer. However, it should not have happened in the first place. I was a bit shocked to have a sales person talk to me like that. I don't expect them to bow and grovel, but I sure don't expect to be given a hard time either, esp. when it's their mistake. Anyway, I'm happy with the truck and it turned out to be a couple hundred dollars under invoice and they paid most of the first year's license fee. I'm not sure whether I'll go back to that dealer, tho. Mark " 23,11,"From: Grant@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (Lynn R Grant) Subject: Re: Key Registering Bodies Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 22 If we do not trust the NSA to be a registrar of Clipper Chip key halves, I would not trust Mitre either. Mitre does lots of work for NSA, at least in the Trusted Product Evaluation Program (evaluation of commercial off the shelf software for its efficacy in safeguarding classified information), and I assume in other, less open, programs. There are at least two other FFRDCs (Federally Funded Research and Development Corporations) that work for NSA: Aerospace Corporation and the Institute for Defense Analysis. Now, if NSA were to be untrustworthy (a position that I am neutral about, for purposes of this posting), it would be in a position to exert economic pressure upon Mitre to release key halves on demand. It could just say, ""If you don't cooperate with us, we'll place all our evaluation contracts with Aerospace and IDA."" I am not saying that people at NSA, Mitre, Aerospace, or IDA are dishonest folk. But since they are people, and people occasionally go bad, the system works better if organizations that you are depending upon to be independent really are. And, of course, I speak for myself, not my employer. Lynn Grant " 24,6,"From: victorf@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Victor Friedman) Subject: Re: Apartment in Moscow for Rent!!! Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr7.134501.4632@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vladimir Sloutsky) writes: > > Apartment for rent in downtown Moscow!!! > >2- room furnished apartment in a very nice location. 5 minutes walk to >Belorusskaya subway station. Walking distance to Kremlin, major shopping >centers, theaters, restaurants, and government buildings. > Hmmm... Interesting. What do you mean by WALKING distance? I lived in Moscow for 21 years, and if I am 5 minutes walk to Belorusskaya subway station, I CANNOT be walking distance to Kremlin. Unless 1 hour of walking is what you mean. By the way, what is the price? I may plan a trip there (not sure yet, though) in late summer. Vick (victorf@seas.ucla.edu) " 25,13,"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the >impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps >even the ""correct"") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around >having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and >petty hatreds. Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created. Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me, Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.) >It further at least implicitly advances the position that >sciences goes ""forward"" (and it is not clear what this means given the >context in which it occurs) by generating in a completely non-rational >and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then >weeded out via the ""critical function"" of science. I'm not sure that it's random. But there is no known rational mechanism for generating a rich set of interesting hypotheses. If you are really working in an unknown area, it is unlikely that you will have much sense of what might or might not be true; under those circumstances, the best thing to do is just follow whatever instincts you have. If they are wrong, you will find out soon enough; but at least, you will find out _something_. If you try to do experiments at random, with no prior conceptions at all in mind, you will probably get nowhere. >(Though why this critical >function should be less subject to the non-rational forces is a mystery. Unfortunately, the critical function does sometimes become hostage to non-rational forces. Then we get varieties of pathological science: Lysenko, Mirsky's opposition to DNA-as-gene, cold fusion, and so forth. >If experimental design, hypotheses creation, and theory construction are >subject to jealousies and petty hatreds, then this must be equally true >of the application of any ""critical function"" concerning replication. >This is what leads one (ala Feyerabend) to an ""anything goes"" view.) I don't agree that this follows. In fact, this is _exactly_ the point at which I disagree with Feyerabend. It is a most important part of the culture of science that one keeps one's jealousies out of the refereeing process. Failures there are aplenty, but, on the whole, things work out. Another point: there are a couple of senses of the phrase ``experimental design''. I'd say that the less rational part is in experimental _choice_, not design. Alexander Fleming (Proc. Royal Soc., 1922) chose to look for bacteriophage in his own mucus for strange reasons (Phage had previously been found in locust diarrhea; Fleming probably thought runny bottom, runny nose, what the hell, it's worth a try.) but his method of looking for phage was well-designed to detect anything phage-like; in fact, he found lysozyme. >True, the generation part *can* be totally irrational. But typically it is >*not*. Anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have >resulted in some way from a dream or from one's political views simply >do not generalize well to the actual history of science. It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole. -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu " 26,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.131954.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the ""power/influence"" of readers... >Sorry, Mark. I think I can. Largely as a result of efforts by people reading this group writing letters and making phone calls the following has happened: 1. NASA reprogrammed funds to keep NASP alive in 1991. 2. Efforts to kill DC-X and the SSRT progam where twice twarted (Feb. and June of last year). 3. Gouldin kept his job in spite of heavy lobbying against him. This may not be what Mark was thinking of but it shows that the readers of sci.space DO have power and influence. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------58 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 27,7,"From: sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) Subject: Re: Lo Jack Organization: Motorola LMPS Keywords: n Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.172.11 Lines: 9 According to a LoJack representative I saw recently, LoJack must be installed by an authorized LoJack dealer, and is placed in one of (roughly) 30 spots in the car... >Thanks, >Steve M. att.com!mantic!srmal Sure, Aviad " 28,2,"From: ac151@Freenet.carleton.ca (David Clarke) Subject: DOS 6 / EMM386 / Windows 3.1 PROB Reply-To: ac151@Freenet.carleton.ca (David Clarke) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 22 Has anyone else experienced problems with windows hanging after the installation of DOS 6? I have narrowed the problem down to EMM386. If if remove (or disable) EMM386, windows is ok. If EMM386 is active, with NOEMS, windows hangs. If I use AUTO with EMM386, the system hangs on bootup. Dave. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- David Clarke ...the well is deep...wish me well... ac151@Freenet.carleton.ca David_Clarke@mtsa.ubc.ca clarkec@sfu.ca ------------------------------------------------------------------- " 29,1,"From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray) Subject: Re: Fractals? what good are they? Organization: Rockwell International X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 16 In regards to fractal commpression, I have seen 2 fractal compressed ""movies"". They were both fairly impressive. The first one was a 64 gray scale ""movie"" of Casablanca, it was 1.3MB and had 11 minutes of 13 fps video. It was a little grainy but not bad at all. The second one I saw was only 3 minutes but it had 8 bit color with 10fps and measured in at 1.2MB. I consider the fractal movies a practical thing to explore. But unlike many other formats out there, you do end up losing resolution. I don't know what kind of software/hardware was used for creating the ""movies"" I saw but the guy that showed them to me said it took 5-15 minutes per frame to generate. But as I said above playback was 10 or more frames per second. And how else could you put 11 minutes on one floppy disk? davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com My opinions are my own except where they are shared by others in which case I will probably change my mind. " 30,11,"From: silly@ugcs.caltech.edu (Brad Threatt) Subject: Remote file system security Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: vex.ugcs.caltech.edu In light of my recent paranoia concerning government proposals, I'd love to see a UNIX-based encryption scheme that: 1) Kept some files encrypted on the host machine (say, all the files in your home directory) 2) Used a key system that could not be compromised by eavesdropping over a modem line. It seems that this would require modifications to a shell program and a way of telling whether a file was encrypted or not, among other things. I'd love to know about potential security holes in such a system. Does such a system exist? If it were made easy-to-use and readily available, I think it would be a Good Thing(tm). I realize that this would probably just involve putting a nice front-end on a readily available and very secure encryption scheme, but it should be done. Thanks for the ear, Brad " 31,5,"From: aa894@Freenet.carleton.ca (Terry MacLean) Subject: How Do I Modify Key Map? Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 35 Hello folks, I'm seeing these errors when I try to modify my key map: mwm: invalid accelerator specfication, line x I've added a line in the start up file before the line that starts mwm. It looks like the following: xmodmap keymapfile mwm I think that the problem has to do with a conflict between function keys F1 through F7 which already have assigned functions (e.g. Move, Minimize, etc). The odd thing is that I don't see these errors if I run xmodmap keymapfile from an xterm. Can anyone suggest a way to modify the key map, specifically F1 through F7 AND not have mwm (Motif Window Manager) complain. I realize this is a bit stupid, but we only have time to implement, not time to learn how to implement. Terry " 32,4,"Distribution: world From: Thomas_n.a._Krebs@mcontent.apana.org.au Organization: MacContent BBS, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia Return-Receipt-To: Thomas_n.a._Krebs@mcontent.apana.org.au Subject: Re: LC Ram Upgrade will be SLOW! Lines: 9 Yes! what you are saying is absolutey true, but what you fail to mention is the fact that the LCIII uses the new 72 pin simms which allow 32 bit access to each simm. In the case of the LC III, it only has one simm slot, but accesses will be 32 bits wides. *************************************************************************** The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. [BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] *************************************************************************** " 33,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 74 In article <114140@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>>>> In cases of prostitution >>>>>both the man and the prostitute would be punished in public, quite >>>>>severely. (Deletion) > >>No Gregg, you cannot say A is lenient and A punishes severely in public. >>Unless, of course, it is one of the exceptions implied by ""almost all >>matters"". > >That depends on the statistics and who is punished in public. If some >power (for example, nothing Islamic about it) allows men to rape women >five times before blowing the rapist's head off in public then I'd call >that leniency, wouldn't you? > You have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument. And chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It rather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system without checking if they suit the description. And wasn't the argument that it takes five men to rape a woman according to Islamic law? >>While I don't approve of it, I think both the prostitute and the customer >>have the right to do what they do. In other words, punishing them is a >>violation of their rights. And to punish them severely in public is just >>another pointer to the hysteria connected with sexuality in so many >>religions. > >Believe what you like. > No, I even believe what I don't like. Can you give better answers than that? Have you got any evidence for your probably opposite claims? >>In this case, I don't see why I should accept the complex ridden views >>of an oriental goatherd. > >Ah, yes, I forget that the West is historically so much without sexual >neurosis :) > >""Oriental goatherd"", _really_ intellectual. > A fact, if memory serves. And most will see the connection between the primitive machism in the Orient and in Islam. >>If people agree on having sex it is fine. And I would assume that a >>god would have a clue of what the detrimental effects of supressing it >>are. > >Huh? Ever heard of AIDs? (Of course you'll probably go on to say that >God must be evil because he allows the disease to exist, bla bla). > As usually you miss the point. Aids is neither spread only through sex nor necessarily spread by having sex. Futher, the point is, a very important point, the urge for sex is stronger than the fear of AIDS. It is even stronger than the religious attempts to channel or to forbid sex. The consequences of suppressing sex are worse than the consequences of Aids. Please note that the idea that everybody would end up with AIDS when sex is not controlled is completely counterfactual. And since you have brought up the point, is your god evil or not? Benedikt " 34,3,"From: gtewing@unix2.tcd.ie (Gregory T. Ewing) Subject: Gamecards Summary: Gamecards Keywords: Gamecards Nntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College, Dublin Lines: 15 I own an 80386sx, 16Mhz, 2Mb ram machine and am finding it too slow for certain games such as X-wing. I was in a Computer store there the other day and saw a series of Gamecards which claim to speed up your machine to up to 80Mhz! I was wondering if anyone out there who has a similar machine had bought one or seen one of these Gamecards and whether or not they do actually work! Any help here would be much appreciated, Thanks in advance, Greg. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | When a man lies he murders some part of the world..................| | or does he....?.......EGGMAN...............| " 35,7,"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: How is Cizeta V16T doing? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 20 Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw) writes: > >>Does anyone know what happpened to the venerable V16T!? Has Claudio >>done any enhancement to it? Are there any pictures of this beast I >>can ftp down somewhere? >>THanks >>p.s. Better, seen any RC model of this beauty? :) --AutoWeek had an article about the car within the past six weeks. It was the issue with the Diablo VT AWD on the cover. Naturally, I don't remember the date of the issue offhand, but I can check it if anyone is interested. --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. " 36,13,"From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr16.194316.25522@ohsu.edu> tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: >> >>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a >>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on >>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an >>excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate >>is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain >>(humans included). Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown >>off. Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in >>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts >>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be >>encountered in a ny single food. By eating lots of junk food, >>packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your >>blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these >>compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. >>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. >> >> --Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca > >In order to excitotoxin effects of MSG, MSG that in blood must go through >blood-brain barrier that I am not sure MSG can go through or not. Elevated levels of Glu and Asp in the blood are able to bypass the Blood-brain barrier through the circumventricular organs (or CVO), in particular the adeno and neurohypophysis (pituitary gland) areas. The arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus, and the median eminence regions are particularly effected. CVO areas are not subject to the blood-brain barrier. These areas control the release of gonadotropin, which controls the release and flux of steroids governing development, especially sexual development. Changes in adult rats, which are less sensitive to Glu than humans, have been observed: after ingesting Glu, on a chronic basis, cycles of several steroids are disrupted. Blood levels of somatostatin are significantly reduced, and cyclic release of steroids becomes flattened. Hope this helps. --Dianne Murray: wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca " 37,6,"From: clim@cis.ohio-state.edu (chia-fang lim) Subject: Vacation Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 24 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.cis.ohio-state.edu Hi netters, I have the following vacation packages for sale: 1> Bahamas Vacation. 2 round trip tickets to freeport, Grand Bahamas. Double occupancy, hotel accomodation. at $ 27 per person per night. 2> Orlando Florida + Las Vegas + Reno/ Lake Tahoe Vacation One round trip airline ticket. (from major US airports to the 3 of the above mentioned destinations) Hotel Accomodation for 1 or 2 people. (for 3 days/ 2 Nights). For those who are interested, drop me a mail at clim@cis.ohio-state.edu. " 38,14,"From: goltz@mimi.UU.NET (James P. Goltz) Subject: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA, USA Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: mimi.uu.net Background: The Orion spacedrive was a theoretical concept. It would be a drive using thermonuclear explosions to drive a spacecraft. The idea was that you'd detonate devices with somewhere from one to ten megatons yield behind a ""pusher plate"" attached to the main spacecraft. The shock wave from the explosions would transfer momentum to the ship. Now, in an atmosphere I can see this. The energy of the explosion heats the atmosphere, which expands explosively and slams a shock wave into the pusher plate. But in a vacuum, only two things I can see are going to hit the plate: fission/fusion products (barium, krypton, helium, neutrons, evaporated bomb casing) and electromagnetic radiation (gammas mostly, some light/heat from irradiated fission products). Would this work? I can't see the EM radiation impelling very much momentum (especially given the mass of the pusher plate), and it seems to me you're going to get more momentum transfer throwing the bombs out the back of the ship than you get from detonating them once they're there. I must be missing something. Would someone enlighten me via email? Thanks. -- --Jim --- Jim Goltz AlterNet Engineer goltz@uunet.uu.net " 39,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 5. Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 94 Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the _Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television station, KTVB Channel 7. Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 5. Monday, April 19, 1993 was the fifth day of the trial. Synopsis: Government informant Kenneth Fadeley testified that Randy Weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asks jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case. The testimony of FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton apparently ended without further incident, as it was mentioned neither by KTVB nor the _Idaho Statesman_. The day was highlighted by the testimony of Kenneth Fadeley, who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person named Gus Magiosono. Fadeley testified that he was acting as an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in his dealings with Randy Weaver. Fadeley began by stating that he had met Weaver in 1987 at an Aryan Nations summer conference in Hayden Lake, Idaho. The two then met again October 11, 1989 (note the huge separation in time) at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, to begin a weapons transaction. He stated that Weaver had said, ""He felt like he (Weaver) was being prepared to do something dangerous for the White cause."" The two later met October 24, 1989 behind the restaurant and later went to a city park to make the sale. During this second meeting, Fadeley was wearing a small recording device to tape the conversation. Weaver allegedly showed him an H&R 12- gauge shotgun with a 13-inch barrel and an overall length of 19.25 inches. He additionally showed a Remington 12-gauge shotgun with a 12.75-inch barrel and an overall length of 24.5 inches (NFA requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel length and an overall length of 26 inches). On tape, Weaver is reported to have said that he could perform better work once his machine shop is set up. The two then discuss the possibility of future sales. Fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars for the two guns and promises the balance of one-hundred fifty dollars when they next meet. (Note that the ATF could have simply arrested him here. Why did they wait until January 1991 - over a year later - to arrest him? This is not explained). The next meeting took place on Nov 30, 1989. Fadeley stated that his ""source"" had only come up with one hundred dollars instead of the one-hundred fifty he'd promised. At this point, Weaver suspected he was dealing with an informant, ""I had a guy in Spokane tell me you were bad."" Fadeley managed to convince Weaver otherwise. The _Idaho Statesman_ states explicitly that three tapes were made of conversations with Randy Weaver. Thus, each of these meetings must have been recorded. However, the _Statesman_ also reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving Vicki Weaver (Randy Weaver's wife) was played to the court. There must have also been phone taps. These tapes were played to the court via both headphones and loudspeakers under the objections of Gerry Spence, Weaver's attorney. Spence said to a KTVB reporter that he wanted to make sure that the government proved its case, ""...if it has a case at all..."" according to the rules. Randy Weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his wife's voice on the tape. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asked jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case. Exactly how such information could affect this trial is not explained. Other notes: Sunday evening there was a report on KTVB concerning Kevin Harris. Unnamed agents within the FBI admit that they are surprised that Kevin Harris is still alive. First, they were surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound(s) sustained in the initial firefight at the Y-junction. Later, when Randy Weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that Harris had been struck (not Weaver). Finally, there was a report that the FBI agent who killed Vicki Weaver believed he was aiming at Kevin Harris instead. (This is what was reported). Critics are charging that the FBI was blatantly trying to eliminate the only non-government witness to the deaths of Samuel Weaver and Deputy Marshal William Degan. Some local people believe that Harris's survival is simply due to divine intervention. Tuesday, April 20, 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial. Kenneth Fadeley's testimony is scheduled to continue. " 40,7,"From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle >Vision and Dodge Intrepid. >at a competitive price. ... > >Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, >the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out >the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing ""Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."" -- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza have demonstrated the ""falling door seals"" problem. Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura " 41,18,"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 12 In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format > so popular] > >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: Who? Where? Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other conservatives do as well. Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else " 42,19,"From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world <1993Apr14.130150.28931@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> <79615@cup.portal.com> <1qn5rn$q7p@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Lines: 144 930418 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. [Honestly.] The word of Sin is Restriction. [Would I kid you?] Does one man's words encompass the majestic vision of thousands of individuals? Quoting a man is not the same as quoting the Order. Taken out of context, words can be interpreted much differently than had one applied them within the confines of their original expression. I think this is the case regarding Hymenaeus Beta, Frater Superior of the Order to which I belong. When he included that bit from Merlinus X' he did us all a service. He showed us the extremes to which Order members have been known to go in their fervor. I have little knowledge regarding Reuss' background, but surely he was an unusual man, and he was an important force in the Order for many years. Yet as people change so do Orders change, and while we look back so carefully at the dirty laundry of O.T.O. remember that this is only the surface skim and that many perspectives are now encompassed which extend beyond any one individual. I hope to show that there was and is much room for a difference of opinion within the Order itself, perhaps by testing the limits myself. Let us examine this issue a bit more closely.... ""In 1895, Karl Kellner (1850-1905), a wealthy Austrian industrialist and paper chemist, as well as a high-grade Mason, founded the Ordo Templi Orientis. Kellner had traveled widely in the East, where he met three adepts who instructed him specific magical practices. Kellner's efforts to develop the Order were later assisted by Franz Hartmann, Heinrich Klein and Theodore Reuss, who had worked together prior to joining the O.T.O. The Order was first proclaimed in 1902 in Reuss's Masonic publication, 'Oriflamme'. On Kellner's death, Reuss succeeded him as Outer Head [O.H.O.]. The 'Jubilee' edition of the 'Oriflamme', published in 1912, announced that the Order taught secret of sexual magic. ""Theodore Reuss was an interesting character. Born June 28, 1855 in Augsburg, he entered Masonry in 1876. He was a singer, journalist and possibly a spy for the Prussian political police, infiltrating the Socialist League founded by Karl Marx's daughter and her husband. Reuss was later associated with William Wynn Westcott, a leader of the Golden Dawn, who later introduced him to John Yarker. Yarker chartered Reuss to found the Rites of Memphis and Mizraim in Germany. After several attempts to concretize various Masonic Rites, Reuss settled on the development of the O.T.O. ""The Order experienced reasonably steady growth under Reuss' leadership. For example, he chartered Papus in France, Rudolph Steiner in Berlin and H. Spencer Lewis in the USA. In 1912, the historic meeting between Reuss and Crowley occurred. Crowley wrote that Reuss came to him and accused him of revealing Order secrets. When Crowley looked at it afresh, the initiated interpretation of sexual magick unfolded itself to him for the first time. Reuss appointed Crowley as Supreme and Holy King of all the English speaking world, and it was this authorization that he invoked when publishing the material of the Equinox. ""Reuss resigned as Outer Head of the Order in 1922 after suffering a stroke and named Crowley his successor. All was well until 1925 when _The Book of the Law_ was translated into German. There was a break in the continuity of the Order. Manyk members split with the new O.H.O. over the book, which Crowley was actively promulgating through the Order. He had earlier revise dthe Order rituals at Reuss's request, deeply infusing the doctrines of the New Aeon revelation."" _An Introduction to the History of the O.T.O._, by Ad Veritatem IX' Within _Equinox III:10_, Edited by Hymenaeus Beta, Frater Superior, Rex Summus Sanctissimus, Caliph of the United States of America, Published by Samuel Weiser, 1990. There are many possible reasons that our Frater Superior included this material in _Equinox III:10_. And this is the real point, is it not? Why did he wish to publish such things about the history of his own organization? Does he represent a dogmatic threat to the principle of Thelema? Or is he exercising his True Will and putting forth very complex pictures with no easy answers? A picture which leaves room for very many interpretations. It is quite easy for me to see, for example, that all of O.T.O. derived out of the dribble of faltering Masonry, purchased by clever hucksters with an ounce of courage and some writing ability to aid them. And I can take that all the way down to our present Caliph, whose feeble support of the 'Law of Thelema' is laughable at best. Would I be thrown out of the Order for speaking in this way? Will I? I think not. Why? Because my Frater will see it as a perspective, an interjection I am using as an example. My illustration shows that we may express things in the context of a larger work and the true significance of this may be quite difficult to apprehend at first. So it may be with OTO and Merlinus X'. Please look O.T.O. more carefully. I do not support Reuss's words myself, as I am not qualified to assess them, and I am critical of their pomposity. If I who am a member of the Order take such a stand and am allowed to continue doing so, then what can this say about the health of the Order? Does it mean that the Order has 'gone soft' and abandoned its moral principles? Or does it mean that it is strong in its ability to let the will of universal kinship arise on its own, not shackled by some dogmatic requirement? How shall we resolve these two possibilities? I find a high calibre of individual associated with Ordo Templi Orientis. They are often quite intelligent and sometimes very well versed in arcane or usual information. They are quite often artists and geniuses. Having met some 20 longstanding members in the SF Bay Area (many who are or were very heavily involved with the Order), I can vouch for the integrity of the organization as it stands. I have sometimes questioned the policy of Hymenaeus Beta. In these moments I followed my intuition, and I've found little to stop me from requesting a Second initiation from a different O.T.O. body. I'm happily participating in social groups (Feasts or Initiations) and have come to know the Gnostic Mass well enough for my tastes. This doesn't make me an authority on Order politics and explanations, however. I can only hypothesize and relay to you what I understand based on my limited contact with other members. I urge you not to take the words of Merlinus X too far. There are many ways to interpret words, and many people who have become involved with the Order feel very strongly about the sanctity of personal freedom and the preservation of individual vision. I welcome other comment on this issue and will be writing more in response to other posts in this thread. Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will. I am I! Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) CCCXXXIII " 43,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 13 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats > Andtbacka) writes: > | ""And these objective values are ... ?"" > |Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate. > > I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. Yes, but whose freedom? The world in general doesn't seem to value the freedom of Tibetans, for example. mathew " 44,6,"From: tran@f18sunn.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran) Subject: Info on Ultrastor HD controller wanted Organization: NAWC Lines: 9 Hi netters, Does anyone know have any info on the Ultrastor line of controller? I'm especially interested in the 14F and 34F SCSI controllers. Please email any info ASAP. I'm building a system and that's one of the few conponents that is missing. Thanks. Tri " 45,10,"From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 30 In article am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: > >I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the >coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage >of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting >back to the puck. > >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, ""These guys are pretty good announcers."" (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) > >Mom. I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more experienced. Joseph Stiehm " 46,2,"From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) Subject: Books for writing thesis in WfW??? Keywords: wfw,thesis Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 23 Hi, I was wondering if anyone out there knows of any books that give helpful hints and tips on writing thesis papers in WfW. I know about the dissertation template that comes with word but I want more. I would like to have tips on how to use all the {seq ...} , {bookmark ...} , {index ...} , { chapter ...}, fields that are available in word. I have looked through the help files,etc. but they really don't explain a whole lot. I will post the results(That means email me first) if I get a lot of different suggestions since I think this might be of help to lots of crazy grad students such as myself. Thanks. Brian Servis p.s. How do you change the font that Help uses when printing a topic? The default is so choppy and hard to read. =========================================================================== || servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || ""It Happened This Way"" || ===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims|| || What I say may not be what I || || || think. What I say may not be || ""The pedestrian had no idea which || || what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over."" || =========================================================================== " 47,4,"From: breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Tempest and Cyclone info. NEEDED Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 8 If anyone has any information about the upcoming new computers (Cyclone and Tempest), I am in need of some info. Anything would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Shawn breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet " 48,0,"From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center Lines: 100 Distribution: world Reply-To: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper3.lerc.nasa.gov In article 734849678@saturn.wwc.edu, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: -> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It ->makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, ->lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he ->writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, ->in the process he became a Christian himself. Sounds like you are saying he was a part of some conspiracy. Just what organization did he belong to? Does it have a name? -> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a ->modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Logic alert - artificial trifercation. The are many other possible explainations. Could have been that he never existed. There have been some good points made in this group that is not impossible that JC is an amalgam of a number of different myths, Mithra comes to mind. -> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would ->die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People ->gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing ->someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did ->heal people. Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive, just look at Koresh that you yourself site. He has followers that don't think he is a fake and they have shown that they are willing to die. By not giving up after getting shot himself, Koresh has shown that he too is will to die for what he believes. As far as healing goes. If I rememer right the healing that was attributed is not consistent between the different gospels. In one of them the healing that is done is not any more that faith healers can pull off today. Seems to me that the early gospels weren't that compeling, so the stories got bigger to appeal better. -> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn ->to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example ->anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see ->this right away. -> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the ->real thing. Or might not have existed, or any number of things. That is the logical pitfall that those who use flawed logic like this fall into. There are bifurcations (or tri, quad, etc) that are valid, because in the proceeding steps, the person shows conclusively that the alternatives are all that are possible. Once everyone agrees that the given set is indeed all there are, then arguments among the alternatives can be presentent, and one mostly likely to be true can be deduced by excluding all other possible alternatives. However, if it can be shown that the set is not all inclusive, then any conclusions bases on the incomplete set are invalid, even if the true choice is one of the original choices. I have given at least one valid alternative, so the conclusion that JC is the real McCoy just because he isn't one of the other two alternative is no longer valid. -> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in ->the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal ->and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I ->write I will use it. JC was a rabbi. He knew what those prophecies were. It wouldn't be any great shakes to make sure one does a list of actions that would fullfill prophecy. What would be compeling is if there were a set of clear and explicit prophecies AND JC had absolutely NO knowledge of then, yet fullfilled them anyway. -> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It ->is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it ->should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's ->sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the ->same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives ->over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a ->real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But ->just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes ->time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. ->It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in ->a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this ->time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be ->carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for ->ourselves. Here I agree with you. Anyone who buys into this load of mythology should take what it says seriously, and what it says is that it must be a total way of life. I have very little respect for Xians that don't. If the myth is true, then it is true in its entirity. The picking and choosing that I see a lot of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Jim --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James L. Felder | Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov ""Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 49,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr17.020555.6004 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 14 In article <734953838.AA00510@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes: > >If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, >etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however >for every other use you can buy a cheapie. My Beckman died a few days ago, thanks do about a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a lab table. !@#!@$#!@$@#$ Probably not indicative of anything, but I've already filled out the requisition for a Fluke 87. :-) Oh yeah, and sometimes our measurements here do count. Not often, but often enough that I want at least _one_ good meter! ---Joel Kolstad " 50,15,"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) Subject: Re: christians and aids Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 98 In article marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: >In article kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes: >>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome >>by desire. We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin). Last >>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff, >>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs. To even >>suggest that AIDS is ""deserved"" is ludicrous. > >Some rules are made because at some point man is too stupid >to know better. Yet, eventually man learns. But only after >getting a lesson from experience. Yes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences, and that ""rules"" were made for our own good. But to suggest that a *disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is taking things much too far. If we got some kind of mouth disease for lying, would any of us have mouths left? What if we developed blindness every time we lusted after someone or something? I dare say all of us would be walking into walls. > >I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn't get >involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who >received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes >to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few. Yes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real* careful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for sin. The Jews of Jesus's time believed that all sickness was the result of a sin. Then Jesus healed a blind man and said that man was blind to show the glory of God, not because of sin. If AIDS, or any other STD is a *punishment"" for sexual sin, what do we do with diseases like cancer, or multiple sclerosis, which are just as debilitating and terrible as AIDS, yet are not usually linked to a specific behavior or lifestyle? > >In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things. >There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ? >I don't know. Atonement is *extremely* important, but I think you've missed the mark about as far as you can by suggesting that AIDS is an atonement for sin. The atonement for sin is JESUS CHRIST - period. This is the central message of the Gospel. A perfect sacrifice was required for our sins, and was made in the Lamb of God. His sacrifice atoned for *all* of our sins, past present and future. God does not require pennance for our sins, nor does he require us to come up with our own atonement. He has graciously already done that for us. To suggest that AIDS or some other consequence is an atonement for sins is literally spitting on the sacrifice that Jesus made. In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus Christ, no more and no less than we do. I've said this before, but I think it's a good analogy. People with AIDS are modern-day lepers. Jesus healed many lepers. He can also heal people with AIDS, maybe not on this earth, but in an ultimate sense. My next-door neighbor has AIDS. She has recently come to have a much deeper and more committed relationship with God. Her theology isn't what I would want it to be, but God's grace covers her. The amazing thing is that she is gaining weight (she's had the disease for over 2 years) and her health is excellent apart from occassional skin rashes and such. She attributes her improvement in her health to God's intervention in her life. Who are we to suggest that her disease is some kind of punishment? It seems to me that God is being glorified through her disease. Paul Overstreet, the country singer, has a good song title that I think applies to all of us - But for the Grace of God, There Go I (or something like that). May we all experience and accept God's grace. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed >marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com |here are my own; they do not >..!uunet!gcx1!marka |reflect the opinion or policies >The Lost Los Angelino |of Harris Corporation. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Paul Conditt Internet: conditt@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu Applied Research Phone: (512) 835-3422 FAX: (512) 835-3416/3259 Laboratories Fedex: 10000 Burnet Road, Austin, Texas 78758-4423 University of Texas Postal: P.O. Box 8029, Austin, Texas 78713-8029 Austin, Texas <----- the most wonderful place in Texas to live TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTTTTTTTTTTTT Texas Tech Lady Raiders TT TTT TT 1992-93 SWC Champions TTT 1992-93 NCAA National Champions TTT TTTTTTT " 51,9,"From: kkerr@MK (Kevin Kerr) Subject: Re: WFAN Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: kerr.dseg.ti.com Organization: ENGINEERING AUTOMATION In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: >From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) >Subject: Re: WFAN >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:19:09 GMT >In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") writes: >>Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do >>not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio >>staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and >>down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len >>Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia >>so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just >>wondering. >The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to >the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia. The signal >might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York >feel ""obligated"" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of >hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day. WIP took two of your >best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. 610 >WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it >out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia. If I'm not >mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation? I'm from Dallas, and you have alot of nerve saying that WFAN has a bunch of Hoodlum Mets fans. During the football season, the local cowboy station here had the WIP on several times for simultanious broadcasts. I have never heard a bigger bunch of low intellect, bed wetting ,obnoxious, woofing, cranial deformed, assholes in my entire life! The IQ of the average eagles fan must be in the 10-15 range at best, and they have been known to be big droolers. (Please no flames) ... ;-) ========================================================================= | Kevin P. Kerr kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com | # | | | S.A.B.R member since '92 GO YANKEES !!! GO DOLPHINS !!! | | | | ""Strolling through cyberspace, sniffing the electric wind...."" | ========================================================================= " 52,14,"From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus Reply-To: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector Lines: 21 In article F23@zoo.toronto.edu, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is >>enough to do it if the vehicle exists. > >Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough >to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of >course, they may be over-optimistic. > >You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications >that would help pay for its development costs. > >I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough. this all sounds like that Indecent Proposal movie. wouldn't there be a lot of people that would try this with little hope of working just to get the dough? if you have a 1:100 chance and it costs you $10Mil, then you might pay some stooge a few grand to be your lucky hero. just send up a few dozen and 1 is bound to survive enough to make YOU rich. --DonG " 53,18,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: SECRET PURPOSE OF FALKLANDS WAR Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 918 SECRET PURPOSE OF FALKLANDS WAR; [with IN-VISIBILITY Technology] Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #74 of 80 Digitized by Jon Volkoff, mail address eidetics@cerf.net ""AUDIO LETTER(R)"" is a registered trademark of Audio Books, Inc., a Texas corporation, which originally produced this tape recording. Reproduced under open license granted by Audio Books, Inc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is the Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER(R), 1629 K St. NW, Washington, DC 20006. Hello, my friends, this is Dr. Beter. Today is April 30, 1982, and this is my AUDIO LETTER(R) No. 74. It's now been almost one month since war broke out in the South Atlantic. On the surface it seems that it's only a dispute between Argentina and Great Britain over the barren, wind-swept Falkland Islands and South Georgia Island. In reality, it's far more than that. The so-called Falklands crisis is just the visible tip of a giant military operation. During this month of April 1982, fierce naval battles have taken place--not only in the South Atlantic but also in the South Pacific. Up to now most of the hostilities have been kept under wraps by wartime censorship on all sides. But as I say these words, the naval war in the Southern Hemisphere is about to come to the surface. Beginning today, April 30, a total naval and air blockade of the Falklands by the Royal Navy has begun. At the same time a counterblockade has been declared by Argentina in the same area. To be effective, a blockade must be imposed over a period of time, but the Royal Navy does not have that much time. Winter is coming on in the South Atlantic, and the British supply lines are overextended. Having come this far, Her Majesty's navy cannot simply drop the blockade and sail away in a few weeks time without drawing blood from Argentina. As a result the British will be forced to undertake military operations very soon no matter how risky they may be. There is also another reason why the Royal Navy now has no choice but to engage the Argentine forces in combat. That reason, my friends, is that the Royal Navy has already suffered losses in secret combat this month. Up to this moment there will be no way to explain away the damage which has been sustained by the British fleet. Only when publicly admitted fighting erupts will the British dare to admit that they have suffered battle losses. To obtain that cover story, the British have no choice but to sail into combat; but in doing so, they will be risking even heavier losses on top of those already sustained. In short, my friends, Her Majesty's navy has sailed into a trap. The events now unfolding in the South Atlantic carry strange, ironic echoes of the past. For weeks now we've been hearing countless commentators referring to the British task force as an ""armada"" (quote). The British of all people ought to be very uneasy with that description. The original Spanish Armada 400 years ago was renowned as a seemingly invincible fighting force, but it came to grief in a naval disaster so complete that it changed the course of history--and it was none other than the English navy that destroyed the Spanish Armada. The original Spanish Armada put to sea in 1588 during the reign of England's Queen Elizabeth I. The Armada was an invasion fleet carrying thousands of crack fighting men to invade England. They were met by the daring sea dogs of Sir Francis Drake. Drake and his small, fast ships turned the tables on the Spanish Armada by changing the rules of battle. The English fleet was equipped with new longer-range guns, and it stayed upwind and out of reach. From there the English pounded, smashed, and shattered the big ships of the mighty Armada. When it was all over, barely half the Spanish fleet was left to limp back to port. Drake's defeat of the Spanish Armada was a shock to the world. It opened the door for England under Queen Elizabeth I to start its expansion into a truly global empire. Today, 400 years later, history seems to have come full circle. Queen Elizabeth II is witnessing the dismantling of the world empire whose heyday began under Queen Elizabeth I, and now the cultures of England and of Spain are once again in confrontation. Once again a so-called armada is preparing for invasion, but this time the armada is British, not Spanish. Four hundred years ago Sir Francis Drake was the hero of the day; today, the ghost of Francis Drake is once again on the scene. The South Atlantic war zone is at the eastern end of the Drake Passage around the southern tip of South America. The defeat of the Spanish Armada four centuries ago broke the back of Spain's naval supremacy, and now the defeat of the new British armada may well break the back of what remains of the once glorious Royal Navy. My three special topics for this AUDIO LETTER are: Topic #1--THE MILITARY SECRET OF SOUTH GEORGIA ISLAND Topic #2--THE SECRET NAVAL WAR OF THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE Topic #3--THE ROCKEFELLER FEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST NUCLEAR WAR. Topic #1--When the Falkland Islands crisis began early this month it looked at first like a tempest in a teapot. For a century and a half since 1833, the Islands have been controlled by Great Britain. During that entire time, British sovereignty over the Falklands has been disputed by Argentina. There have been countless threats by Argentina to seize the Islands, which it calls the Malvinas, but the threats have always come to nothing in the past and Britain has never even gotten very worried about them. The Islands are four times as distant from Argentina as Cuba is from the United States, and they are not much of a prize. After 150 years of occupancy, the Falklands are home to fewer than 2,000 British settlers and a lot of sheep. In short, the remote Falkland Islands hardly look like something to fight over, and yet here we are watching another crisis take place. We are watching as war erupts between Great Britain and Argentina. The Thatcher government is acting as if it has forgotten all about its usual preoccupation with the Soviet threat at NATO's doorstep. Instead, Britain is throwing almost everything it's got at Argentina---aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, assault ships--you name it. Luxury cruise ships have even been commissioned and turned into troop carriers overnight. Wave after wave of additional assault troops have been activated and sent to join the fleet even after it sailed. Ships and submarines have been pulled off station from normal NATO duty and sent to reinforce the task force. The initial 40-ship force has grown steadily over the past several weeks into an armada numbering over 70. Over two-thirds of the entire Royal Navy has already been deployed to the South Atlantic off Argentina. Watching all this, a lot of people are asking: What's this fight really all about? The most popular answer suggested in the major media is ""oil."" Vast deposits of oil are known to exist under the continental shelf between Argentina and the Falklands, but that has been known for nearly 10 years. In no way does it explain the timing of the sudden military offensive by Argentina this month, and oil explains even less about the Argentine seizure of South Georgia Island. South Georgia Island is 800 miles east of the Falklands with no known oil deposits anywhere near it; and compared to South Georgia, the Falklands are an island paradise. South Georgia Island is covered with rugged mountains, treacherous valleys, glaciers, and semi-permanent snow. Most of it is uninhabitable. On top of all that, Argentina has absolutely no legal or historical claim to South Georgia Island. In that respect it stands in sharp contrast to the Falklands. In the early 1830s the Falklands were occupied for a while by Argentine colonists. In 1833 the British expelled them and took over the Island. For that and other historical reasons, Argentina argues that the Falklands really belong to Argentina, not Britain. But no such argument is possible for South Georgia Island. It has always been controlled by Britain, never by Argentina or Spain. The Argentine seizure of South Georgia Island looks even more unreasonable from a military point of view. Argentina's leaders are military men and they think in military terms. They were well aware ahead of time that far-off South Georgia Island could not possibly be held for long. By seizing it they were setting themselves up to absorb a military defeat, as the Island was retaken by Britain. So the question is: Why did Argentina's military junta bother with the seemingly worthless South Georgia Island at all? My friends, the answers to all these questions are military, not political or economic. South Georgia Island possesses an enormous military secret. It's a giant underground installation buried under the mountains at the northwest end of the Island. The real reason for the so-called Falkland crisis is this secret installation, together with two other similar installations which I will describe shortly. The secret military complexes have been in existence for many years; they are not new. What is new is the accelerated nuclear war timetable of the American Bolshevik war planners here in Washington. For the past two months I've been reporting the details of this new war plan to you as quickly as I can obtain and verify them. The plan calls for NUCLEAR WAR ONE to erupt by September of this year 1982!! It is this fast-approaching nuclear war threat that caused the so-called Falklands crisis to erupt now. What is going on now is a coordinated effort to spoil part of the Bolshevik grand strategy for the coming nuclear war. The mutual enemies of the American Bolsheviks here--namely, the Rockefeller cartel--and Russia's new rulers in the Kremlin are behind the present crisis. They are trying to ruin Phase #3 of the ""PROJECT Z"" war plan which I revealed last month. That phase is to be world domination by the American Bolsheviks after both Russia and the United States have been destroyed in NUCLEAR WAR ONE. As I mentioned last month, the key to this plan is the existence of secret weapons stockpiles in various places around the world. The American Bolshevik military planners here in America are working with other Bolshevik agents in key military positions of other countries to set off war. Having done that, they intend to ride out the nuclear holocaust they have caused, safe and cozy in Government war bunkers! When the warring nations finally lie smoldering and exhausted, the Bolsheviks will leave the shattered remains of their host countries. They will rendezvous at the secret weapons installations and bring their weapons into the open. They will confront the world with the only remaining fresh, up-to-date, powerful military force on earth; and using that military power, they will become the undisputed rulers of the world--that is, they plan to do all this, and they plan to pave the way for world domination very soon by setting off NUCLEAR WAR ONE in a matter of months. The Rockefeller cartel and Russia's new anti-Bolshevik rulers are working together in a race against time to try to head off the Bolshevik war plan. Last month I mentioned that the Bolsheviks here are benefitting from war preparations which were started by the Rockefellers long ago. It has only been about three years since the Rockefellers were dislodged as the prime movers of the United States Government by the Bolsheviks. Since that time the United States Government has been a house divided, torn by internal power struggles between rival Bolshevik and Rockefeller factions. But before that, the United States had been dominated for decades both economically and politically by the Four Rockefeller Brothers. In 1961 the Brothers launched a new long-range plan for world domination. It was a two-prong strategy, half visible and half secret, which I first described long ago in AUDIO LETTER No. 28. It was a plan for the United States to arm to the teeth in secret while appearing to disarm gradually. Without repeating all the details, the basic idea was grandiose yet simple. By deliberately appearing weak, the Rockefeller-controlled United States would maneuver itself into a nuclear war with Russia. Then the secret weapons, including superweapons, would be unleashed to smash Russia and take over the world. When they set the grand plan in motion in 1961, the Rockefeller Brothers were looking ahead to a nuclear war by the late 1970s. Their military analysts concluded very early that the war being planned would have very different effects on the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. Both superpowers, the United States and the Soviet Union, are located well up in the Northern Hemisphere; so are the other full-fledged nuclear powers--Great Britain, France, Red China, and India. By contrast, the strategic targets for nuclear war in the Southern Hemisphere are relatively few and far between. In other words, it was expected that the coming nuclear war would be essentially a Northern Hemisphere war. In an all-out nuclear holocaust it is known that serious radioactive fallout will gradually spread to affect even areas not initially hit by war. But there are limits to how far the war clouds can spread. It was discovered long ago that there is very little mixing between the air of the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. In the northern half of our planet, cold air from the North Pole works its way southward towards the equator, then it works its way back to the north as warm air. A mirror image of this process takes up the southern half of the planet. Northern and Southern Hemisphere air meet in the equatorial zone, but very little of the air changes places. The military conclusion, my friends, is this: the coming nuclear war could ruin large areas of the Northern Hemisphere for generations to come; but if the calculations are right, the Southern Hemisphere could escape virtually unaffected by the war. This was music to the ears of the Four Rockefeller Brothers. A quick look at the globe of the world shows why. The Rockefeller cartel has dominated Latin America ever since World War II. As I discussed in my very first monthly AUDIO LETTER, Nelson Rockefeller solidified the cartel grip on Latin America during the war. He accomplished this as so-called ""Coordinator of Hemispheric Defense"" for then-President Franklin D. Roosevelt. So that takes care of the South American continent and its natural resources. Then there is the African continent. There, too, Rockefeller control was already in effect over wide areas of Black Africa, especially south of the equator. All this was thanks to the efforts of John D. Rockefeller III, as I detailed in AUDIO LETTER No. 36. Looking around the globe, the most important remaining land masses from the standpoint of world domination are Australia and New Zealand. Thanks to World War II, both were wide open to the Rockefellers. The Rockefeller Brothers decided to establish secret military installations in the Southern Hemisphere for use after the coming war. By this means they expected to become the masters of the surviving southern half of planet Earth after the Northern Hemisphere war. Then, as the Northern Hemisphere gradually recovered from the nuclear holocaust, the Rockefeller empire would be able to pick up the pieces. In this way the third generation Rockefeller Brothers expected their family dynasty to inherit the Earth. In order to control the Southern Hemisphere militarily after the war, some means would have to be available to project military power onto any land mass. For example, revolts against Rockefeller domination would require troops--not a blast from the beam weapons on the Moon. The most critical factor for postwar military domination of the world was found to be a navy. A minimum of two secret naval fleets would be required--one based in the South Atlantic, the other in the South Pacific. Since the reserve naval fleets were to be kept secret until after the Northern Hemisphere nuclear war, they could not be built in existing shipyards. New construction facilities had to be built and they had to be hidden. To hide an entire shipyard is no small task; they take up a lot of space. On top of that, it was essential that the ships remain hidden after they were built. The best way to achieve that was to combine the shipyard and naval base into one over-all secret installation. Finally, the secret naval installation had to be invulnerable to nuclear attack; otherwise if its existence were ever discovered prematurely, the secret navy might be wiped out. The combined requirements for secrecy, space, and protection against attack were formidable; but one day in 1959, while all these plans were still in the early stages of development, the answer presented itself. During a so-called banking trip to Sweden, David Rockefeller was given a tour of a unique hidden naval port. The port is hollowed out from solid granite cliffs which come right down to the water. The entrance to the port is a gigantic hole in the side of the cliff which can be sealed off with enormous steel doors. Inside this big doorway on the water a huge cavity has been hollowed out to accommodate ships. The Rockefeller Brothers and their military adviser decided that a bigger, more secret, better protected version of the Swedish hidden port was just what they wanted. A survey of candidate sites was then initiated. The site survey covered coastal areas throughout the Southern Hemisphere. Many areas were rejected very quickly because the topography was wrong. Other areas were rejected because they were too close to the equator. Still others had to be ruled out because there were too many people living nearby, making the desired level of secrecy impossible. Finally, it was essential that the sites chosen for the secret naval installations be totally secure politically. At last the sites for the secret naval installations were selected. In the South Pacific, extreme southern New Zealand was selected. This is what I was alluding to in AUDIO LETTER No. 71 three months ago when I called attention to New Zealand's extreme importance in the coming war. In order to obtain the necessary space, the secret New Zealand naval installation had to be divided up into two sites located close together. One is at the extreme southwest tip of South Island where the mountain range known as the Southern Alps comes down virtually to the water's edge. The other part of the installation is built into the northwest tip of Stewart Island, which is off the tip of South Island. The Stewart Island facility is hollowed out within a rise known as Mt. Anglem. The New Zealand location met all the requirements. Ever since World War II the government of New Zealand has been tied even closer to the United States than to Great Britain. The location is far from the equator, and the installations are buried deep under mountains, protected from nuclear attack. They are also too deep to be reached by particle-beam attacks, and the New Zealand site is well situated to command the entire South Pacific. In the South Atlantic an even more perfect site was found. That site, my friends, is South Georgia Island. It is located perfectly for naval domination of the entire South Atlantic. The tall, rugged mountains provided a perfect location for the secret installation at the northwest tip of the 100-mile long island. It is controlled by Great Britain whose government, like that of New Zealand, was willing to cooperate; and South Georgia Island was virtually uninhabited except for a whaling station on the northeast coast. The whaling station was some 50 miles away from the secret new installation which was being built, but Britain took no chances. In 1965 the whaling station was closed down. Since that time there have been no inhabitants on South Georgia Island except for a few dozen alleged Antarctic scientists. Construction of the secret naval facilities--two in New Zealand, one on South Georgia Island--began in the early 1960's. The techniques were adapted from those used previously to build other large underground facilities, such as the NORAD installation inside Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado; however these techniques were adapted in radically new ways to achieve construction access directly from the sea instead of overland. In this way, the sheltering mountain was left undisturbed in appearance both during and after construction. The cuts in the mountain side which were necessary to let ships in and out were kept as small as possible and were well camouflaged. Like the Swedish hidden naval port arrangement, the entrances to the secret installations can be sealed up. When sealed, the entrance is virtually impossible to detect unless you know exactly where it is; and unlike most large construction projects, there are no tailings or piles of leftover rock lying around to attract attention. The man-made caverns which house the secret naval installations are enormous, but all the rock and debris was disposed of at sea. Once the secret naval facilities were built, they had to be outfitted for ship construction and docksite storage. The fake disarmament of the United States during the 1960s contributed greatly to this task. From 1961 to 1968 one man played a pivotal role in this elaborate Rockefeller scheme. He was then-Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. All through the 60's McNamara presided over the public paring back of America's visible military power. This included the closing down and dismantling of entire shipyards. What we were not told was where all that shipyard equipment went afterwards. Where it went, my friends, was to the new secret installations which were being outfitted in New Zealand and South Georgia Island! The secret naval installations have been used as duplication facilities to reproduce certain ships and submarines designed and built here in the United States. As Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger told Congress recently, it is cheaper to build two ships at a time. That is especially true if the second ship is an exact duplicate of the first. This has become even more true in recent years through the use of computerized manufacturing techniques. The secret naval fleets which have been built at the secret installations are made up of duplicates--exact duplicates of certain other ships and submarines. They are all nuclear powered--nuclear ""subs""; nuclear cruisers; nuclear destroyers; and yes, nuclear aircraft carriers, three of them. A secret twin was built for the U.S.S. Nimitz, for the U.S.S. Eisenhower, and for the newly-launched U.S.S. Carl Vincent. All have been financed through the gigantic cost overruns, so called, that we constantly hear about in the Defense Department; and all three carriers have been provided with a full complement of aircraft whose manufacture was financed the same way! The ships of the secret American Bolshevik naval fleets are all duplicates of other nuclear-powered vessels. Even so, the secret naval ships possess one key difference. Last month I revealed that the so-called ""Stealth Program"" has succeeded in developing a kind of electromagnetic invisibility shield. This technique makes an object invisible from a distance by distorting light waves in its vicinity. A whole new fleet of Phantom war-planes are now going into crash production that use this principle; and, my friends, all of the secret American Bolshevik navy ships have already been outfitted with similar Stealth-field equipment! The Stealth principle is actually easier to apply to ships than to airplanes because there is more room for the powerful equipment that generates the field. After NUCLEAR WAR ONE, the secret Stealth navy of the American Bolsheviks would be light years ahead of any other navy left on earth. It would be perfect for the intended role of world domination. The Rockefellers set it all in motion long ago, my friends, but three years ago they lost control of the United States Military. Now it's the American Bolsheviks who are in control, and they are bent on war. These secret naval installations have precipitated what is being called the ""Falklands crisis."" Topic #2--In AUDIO LETTER(R) No. 73 last month I described ""PROJECT Z"", the new Bolshevik three-phase strategy for NUCLEAR WAR ONE. An elite group of American Bolshevik military planners here are flushing out the plan right now at a secret war-room here in Washington. It's a plan by which the United States will strike the first nuclear blow, followed by all-out thermonuclear war with Russia. Having set off the holocaust, the Bolsheviks here and in certain other countries plan to rise it out safe in comfortable war bunkers. Finally after NUCLEAR WAR ONE fizzles out in stalemate, they plan to leave behind the ashes of the United States and her allies. Activating Phase #3 of their grand strategy, they plan to unveil their secret weapons, especially their secret naval fleets. With these they plan to conquer and rule what is left of the world. The United States as we know it will be dead and gone; but in the eyes of the Bolsheviks themselves, this outcome will constitute victory. Up to now the nuclear war timetable which I first revealed two months ago is still on track. They are still shooting for nuclear war to begin by September of this year 1982! Time is fast running out. The Bolsheviks here are sprinting as fast as they can toward war; but, my friends, the Bolsheviks are not the only runners in this race. They have two deadly enemies, both of whom are equally determined to trip up the Bolsheviks. One enemy of the Bolsheviks here is the Rockefeller cartel; the other enemy is the new anti-Bolshevik ruling clique in Russia; and now these two mutual enemies of the Bolsheviks are pooling their efforts in certain ways. In AUDIO LETTER No. 71 three months ago I reported that a limited, new anti-Bolshevik coalition was in the works between the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians. The January 26 meeting between Haig and Gromyko in Geneva, Switzerland, was a turning point in the formation of this coalition. It is now a reality, and is responsible for the so-called ""Falkland crisis"" now dominating the headlines. It should be emphasized that this new relationship between the Rockefeller cartel and Russia falls far short of a true alliance. They have very major disputes to be settled between them, but for the time being they have called a truce between themselves to deal with their mutual deadly enemy--the Bolsheviks here in America. The first priority of the Russians and the Rockefellers is to slow down the Bolshevik preparations for imminent nuclear war. If they can do that, time is on the side of the Rockefeller cartel in certain political movements which I discussed last summer in AUDIO LETTER No. 67. A slow-down in the nuclear war timetable will also give more breathing space for additional anti-Bolshevik actions to be implemented. The joint Rockefeller-Russian planners decided by mid-February that military action against the Bolsheviks was essential very quickly. No other type of action had any hope of taking effect fast enough to prevent nuclear war by the end of this summer. The exact details of the ""PROJECT Z"" war plan are not known to either the Rockefellers or the Russians, but the general outlines are known to be as I described last month. It was decided that military action should be devised that would undermine Phase #3 of the Bolshevik war plan--that is, the Bolshevik-controlled secret naval installations and fleets in the Southern Hemisphere should be attacked and crippled. By working together, the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians were able to devise an attack plan which neither could have carried out alone. The Rockefeller group, who built and originally controlled these bases, provided detailed Intelligence about the best way to attack them. The Russians with their enormous military machine provided the muscle to actually carry out the attack. It was essential to devise a scheme that would enable both secret fleets in the South Atlantic and South Pacific to be attacked. Survival intact of either fleet would leave the Bolshevik war plan still workable. Military analysts concluded very quickly that a direct assault on the New Zealand facilities was out of the question. There was no combination of commandos, frogmen, or other military force which could possibly keep an attack secret from the outside world. Any attack on the New Zealand bases would set off the very war which the Rockefellers and Russians want to prevent. But the situation in the South Atlantic was a different matter. In a way, the greatest asset of South Georgia Island was also its Achilles' heel. The extreme isolation which protected the secrecy of the South Georgia base also made a covert military assault feasible. The key lay with Argentina and her long-standing claims to the Falkland Islands. As I mentioned in Topic #1, the Rockefeller cartel has dominated all of Latin America for decades. Cartel operatives were sent to Argentina to work out a deal with the government military junta there. The historic dispute over the Falkland Islands was to be used to provide a ruse, a military cover, to enable the South Georgia base to be attacked. The Argentine generals were not told everything about the situation by any means, but they were told enough to make clear what they were to do. As an inducement to cooperate, the Argentine leaders were promised handsome rewards. They were guaranteed that after the shooting was over, the Falkland Islands would remain in Argentine hands. This guarantee included the promise of covert military assistance as needed against the Royal Navy. And to bolster the troubled Argentine economy, it was promised that the Rockefeller cartel will help develop the immense offshore oil reserves. With these combined promises of military glory and financial rewards, the Argentine military junta agreed to the plan. On March 19 Argentina carried out Act #1 in the joint attack plan. A group of Argentine scrap-metal merchants, of all things, landed at the abandoned old whaling station on South Georgia Island. Supposedly they were there to dismantle the old buildings and cart them off to sell. While they were at it they also raised the Argentine flag over the work-site. The British, always nervous about South Georgia Island, promptly reacted as expected. The British Antarctic survey ship ""Endurance"" put 22 Marines ashore. They drove off the scrap merchants and tore down the Argentine flag. The incident provided the desired excuse for the Argentine Junta to bring the simmering 150-year-old Falklands dispute to a boil. From time to time in the past, Argentina has claimed that South Georgia is part of the Falklands because it is administered that way by Britain. That argument is very flimsy but it now came in very handy. It was nothing new to hear this from Argentine leaders, so there was no hint of what was really afoot. During late March, Argentine military forces started assembling for an assault on the Falklands. ""Nothing new"", thought the British high command. Argentina has carried out threatening maneuvers in the past many times. It was believed that they were about to do it again; but on April 2 Argentine forces did the unexpected. After many past false alarms, this time they actually invaded and seized the Islands. All Argentine public statements emphasized the long-standing historical claims to the Falklands themselves; but just for good measure, the next day a small Argentine force also seized far-off South Georgia Island. The force was so small that it gave the appearance initially that it was just a side show from Argentina's point of view; however, the small contingent of 22 Royal Marines were overpowered and bundled off the Island along with a group of 13 alleged scientists. That was the moment of payoff in the joint Rockefeller-Russian attack plan. Thanks to the elaborate distraction staged by the Argentine forces, a special commando team got onto the Island undetected. Based on the detailed Rockefeller information about the base, the team moved to a location on the mountain directly above the cavernous secret base. Special high-speed drilling equipment was set up by the Rockefeller members of the team while the Russian members concentrated on military defense. By late that evening, April 3, the military high command in London finally learned what was really taking place. The secret South Georgia base was under attack by virtually the only means possible. The joint Rockefeller-Russian team were drilling a shaft down through the mountain toward the hollowed out cavern inside. It was only a matter of time until their drill would break through the ceiling of the giant hidden naval base. Once the hole was made, the next step was obvious. The Rockefeller-Russian team would put a weapon of some kind through the hole. The best guess was that it would be a nerve gas. The shock waves that went through the highest levels of the British government on the evening of April 3 can hardly be described, my friends. The Thatcher government, like the so-called Reagan Administration here in America, is Bolshevik controlled. That's why Margaret Thatcher always says, ""Me, too"" any time the Reagan Administration says or does anything against Russia. Both governments are party to the secret nuclear war plan in complete betrayal of the people of their respective countries, and on the evening of April 3 they suddenly discovered that their precious war plan was in deep, deep trouble. Immediately the Thatcher government started assembling a naval armada to sail for the South Atlantic. Haste was the order of the day. The drilling on South Georgia Island was proceeding around the clock. The best estimates were that the drilling would break through into the roof of the naval base in about three weeks, on or about April 24. If help did not reach South Georgia by then, the secret installation might be doomed. The forces stationed at the installation itself were unable to defend themselves under the circumstances. Their mighty naval ships were ships in a bottle. They did not dare open the bottle to sail out to fight because the Russian commandos were armed with tactical and nuclear weapons. To open the blast-proof entrance doors would be suicide. On April 5, just two days after South Georgia Island was seized, some 40 naval ships began moving out of British ports. The same day Lord Carrington was sacked as Foreign Minister. He was forced to resign, my friends, because he had assisted the Rockefeller attack plan by downplaying the Argentine attack preparations. That same day, April 5, New Zealand, the home of the other secret naval fleet, broke diplomatic relations with Argentina. The two hidden New Zealand facilities had been placed on ""Red Alert."" As a precautionary measure, all submarines at the twin base were ordered to sea. Several surface ships were already at sea undergoing ""sea trials"", but that still left seven (7) major ships inside the hidden twin naval base including one of the nuclear aircraft carriers I mentioned earlier. On that busy day of April 5, Argentina's Foreign Minister, Costa Mendez, was at the United Nations in New York. He was alarmed by the deployment of such a large part of the Royal Navy. Costa Mendez hurried here to Washington to seek reassurances from certain officials. He got them! For the next two weeks or so the news was filled with stories about the allegedly slow movement of the British fleet while negotiations went on. That, my friends, was only a cover story. The Royal Navy was actually joining up and moving as rapidly as possible toward South Georgia Island. If the task force arrived in time to save the secret base, a major battle was likely. The official stories about ""slow movement"" of the British armada were intended to give a cushion of time for that battle. If need be, the fleet would have several days to retake South Georgia Island, then it could move on to arrive near the Falklands on the announced schedule. In this way the crucial importance of South Georgia Island would be hidden and the big secret preserved. It was initially expected that advance elements of the British fleet would reach the vicinity of South Georgia Island within two weeks. That would have been soon enough to attack the joint Rockefeller-Russian commando team and stop the drilling before it was completed. But Russian Cosmospheres and submarines made a shambles of the plan. Key advance elements of the South Georgia attack contingent left Ascension Island early April 14, two days before it was announced officially. Shortly after they did so, they ran into trouble. Russian Cosmospheres and attack submarines closed in on a single ship which was critical to the planned counterassault on South Georgia Island. The Cosmospheres bombarded the bridge and combat information center of the ship with neutron radiation. In moments the ship was without any command, its communications and radar silenced. Then a Russian ""sub"" closed in and quickly finished off this key British ship with torpedoes. It broke apart with secondary explosions and sank rapidly. So far as is known, there were no survivors. This unexpected shock in the mid-Atlantic produced two results, both important: First, it caused a slowdown in the race toward the South Atlantic by the British armada. The task force had to be regrouped into a configuration better suited for an enroute defense, but that cost valuable time. Public announcements from London about the progress of the fleet reflected this slowdown. The timetable for arrival on battle stations near the Falklands started stretching out longer and longer. All this bought extra time for the joint commando team on South Georgia Island. The drilling continued. The other result of the sinking was equally important. Word was flashed to the South Pacific Stealth navy to prepare for possible action. It was obvious that the Russian Navy was getting involved in the Atlantic, which meant that the Royal Navy could be in big trouble. During the dead of night, early April 15, the seven Stealth ships put to sea from their twin secret bases in southern New Zealand. They deployed to a secret operational headquarters area in the Antipodes Islands, 450 miles southeast of New Zealand. Their electromagnetic shields were operating to provide protection from attack. These shields make it impossible to communicate with the outside world or even to see it, as I explained last month; but once they arrived at the Antipodes, the Stealth ships hooked up to buoys equipped with shielded communication cables to the Island headquarters. The Antipodes headquarters, in turn, was in constant touch with the South Georgia base by way of a transoceanic cable around the tip of South America. The deployment of the available ships of the South Pacific Stealth fleet was exactly what the joint Rockefeller-Russian planners had hoped for. The ships had been flushed out from their essentially invulnerable hiding place in New Zealand! The British ship's sinking of April 14 was also followed by other events. On April 15 the Argentine Navy started moving out of port. The same day, Alexander Haig arrived again in Buenos Aires. Supposedly he was there as a diplomat, but in reality he was there as a General, dealing with Generals. Haig is the top Governmental operative of the Rockefeller cartel, as I have revealed in the past. He was making sure that the Argentines did not get cold feet and back down at that critical moment. Four days later, April 19, Haig left for Washington. As he boarded his plane, Haig somberly told reporters, ""Time is running out."" And so it was, my friends, for the secret South Georgia base. The very next day, April 20, the drill broke through into the hollowed-out cavern of the naval base. Bolshevik military analysts in London had not expected that it could be completed until at least the following weekend. The British fleet was still out of range. The weapon which the commando team inserted down through the long hole was a small, compact Russian neutron bomb. When it was detonated inside the confines of the huge artificial cave, the effects were devastating. The intense radiation instantly killed everyone inside the base. Also the heat and blast effects of the bomb are believed to have damaged all the ships inside sufficiently to badly disable them. Meanwhile, Russian Cosmospheres and submarines were converging on the Stealth ships which were near the Antipodes Islands awaiting orders. From a distance, the ships were invisible to the eye due to their protective shields, which also protect against beam-weapon attack; but they were sitting ducks for the tactics which the Russians employed. Floating overhead, the Cosmospheres located the seven ships using their Psychoenergetic Range-Finding equipment known as PRF. As I have reported in the past, there is no method known by which PRF can be jammed. The Cosmospheres radioed the exact locations of the ships to the attack submarines. The ""subs"" were armed with special non-homing, non-nuclear torpedoes designed to explode on impact. More sophisticated torpedoes would have been thrown off course or detonated prematurely by the protective shield of each ship; but these simple torpedoes just cruise right through each invisibility field to strike the ship and explode. Within 15 minutes after the attack began, all seven Bolshevik Stealth ships were on their way to the bottom, and with them went their Bolshevik Commanders and mercenary crews collected from around the world. The South Pacific action took place just after sunset local time. The time here in Washington was around 2:00 P.M. April 23. That evening Secretary of State Haig was seen briefly in public with the new British Foreign Minister, Francis Pym. Pym was wearing the artificial pseudo-smile which diplomats are taught always to display in public. But not Haig. Haig was grinning from ear to ear, and no wonder. The joint Rockefeller-Russian military operation had been a brilliant success. The secret Bolshevik South Atlantic fleet had been virtually wiped out, bottled up inside South Georgia Island; and the South Pacific fleet, while not totally wiped out, had been badly crippled. By working together, the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians had won the secret naval war of the Southern Hemisphere. Topic #3--As I say these words, news reports give the impression that war is about to erupt in the South Atlantic, but the real war in the Southern Hemisphere is already over. What we are watching now is the beginning of its bloody aftermath. That aftermath is the battle for the Falkland Islands. They have been promised to Argentina as a reward for her role in the secret war. At this moment the Bolsheviks here in Washington are pressing for a public announcement that the United States will side with Britain. As soon as that takes place, military action will heat up fast around the Falklands. Britain has no choice but to fight. She has already suffered casualties which cannot be explained without a public battle; but by fighting, the Bolsheviks in Britain are running the risk of a humiliating and tragic defeat for the Royal Navy. Meanwhile, the Rockefeller strategists here are now concentrating on a fast-building, anti-nuclear-war campaign. On all sides now we are hearing about the so-called ""nuclear freeze movement."" There are documentaries, articles, publicity of all kinds to sensitize us to the terrors of nuclear war. In recent months, there have even been referenda popping up on election ballots dealing with the nuclear war issue. Medical doctors are banding together to warn the public about what would happen if there were a nuclear war. We are being told that all this is just popping up spontaneously. We are now 37 years into the nuclear age and nothing like this has ever gained so much momentum before, yet now we are supposed to believe that millions of Americans have spontaneously gotten the same ideas at the same time. If you believe that, my friends, I give up. Movements like this never, and I mean never, develop without leadership, organization, and money--and plenty of it. What we are watching is the Rockefeller public relations machine at work. As I've explained in the past, the Rockefeller cartel cannot afford to let a nuclear war take place. If it does, they will lose everything because they are not in a position to control it. Instead, the deadly enemies of the Rockefeller cartel, the Bolsheviks here, will win out if there is a war; and so the Rockefeller faction is now doing everything in its power to prevent a nuclear war. The present anti-nuclear-war orientation of the Rockefeller cartel creates certain temporary common interests between them and Russia; but as Russia's new rulers know very well, this does not spring from any great moral perspective on the part of the Rockefeller group. It's purely a matter of practical necessity right now for the Rockefellers. The Russians regard the United States as a house divided, and they are exploiting that division by working in careful ways with the Rockefellers. Their first priority is to rid the world of the deadly Bolshevik menace of all-out, even suicidal, nuclear war; but once that is done, they know that there will be a day of reckoning with the Rockefeller cartel some day. The Rockefeller group is working toward a definite objective with their new anti-nuclear-war propaganda. That objective is renewed power--and power that moves them closer to their old dream of WORLD GOVERNMENT. The Bolsheviks here have unwittingly provided fertile ground for the powerful new Rockefeller antiwar campaign. Under Bolshevik control, the so-called Reagan Administration has become so hawkish that it's scaring people. The Rockefeller antiwar campaign is designed to capitalize on that latent fear as a tool of power. These days the smell of war is in the air. The Falklands crisis is helping to make that more intense. The Rockefeller propaganda machine is now paving the way for the argument that surrender of sovereignty is the only way to avoid war. A new super-United Nations of sorts is now in the works to fill the bill. It will have teeth! As presently envisioned, the new organization will be based in Geneva, Switzerland. The working name, though this may be changed, is the ""World Nonproliferation Council."" The plan is to bring it into being as the outgrowth of nuclear nonproliferation treaties, but its true purpose will be to use fear--the fear of war--to control us all. LAST MINUTE SUMMARY Now it's time for my Last Minute Summary. In this AUDIO LETTER I have reported on the reasons behind the so-called Falkland Islands crisis. The crisis erupted because of secret Bolshevik-controlled naval installations in the Southern Hemisphere. These have been attacked by joint action of the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians in an attempt to slow down the nuclear-war timetable. The attacks were successful, but the results remain to be seen. One result, though, is that the Royal Navy has now been drawn into a trap. Britain's Waterloo at sea may well be at hand. My friends, two factions are struggling for control over our United States--the Rockefeller cartel and the Bolsheviks. They differ in style but both seek to control us through fear. If we are ever to rise above their trickery, it must be through the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, our only hope. As the Scripture tells us, our Lord ""...has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, of love, and of a sound mind."" We must learn to wage peace. As our Lord declared long ago, ""Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God."" Until next month, God willing, this is Dr. Beter. Thank you, and may God bless each and every one of you. " 54,7,"From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) Subject: Re: Was ""Re: Safety"": From how far can you see a car ? Article-I.D.: gap.1psle4INNkm2 Distribution: na Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 105 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: >>.... These >>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and >>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes >>too. Well, DRL's are already mandatory for motorcycles... -- Jon Hacker | Get the OS/2 2.1 March Beta CD-ROM Caltech, Pasadena CA | for $15 hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu | Call 1-800-3-IBM-OS2 " 55,4,"From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) Subject: how do you like the Apple Color OneScanner? Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 13 We're all set to buy one of these for the office, to use for scanning in color photographs and for optical character recognition. We've played with the original grayscale OneScanner and were very pleased. Is the color model comparable in quality? Also, what brand of OCR software would you recommend? We're leaning toward Caere OmniPage. Any better ideas? Thanks. -- John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 " 56,5,"From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Subject: Re: problem with xvertext package Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout Lines: 22 In article <1993Mar31.181357.28381@sierra.com> dkarr@sierra.com (David Karr) writes: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >>Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue >>multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, >>and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably >>be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the >>main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. >> The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense >>competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will >>arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the >>client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, >>partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). >>(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't >>scorn the concept.) >> Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be >>released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out >>til '96. >How does Chicago differ from the (sort of) announced Windows 4. My understand- >ing, at least from the InbfoWorld accound of Windows 4 is that it's sort >of NT Lite--a full-fledged operating system but lacking server and security >features that make NT such a bear. Is W4 not true multithreading? Can anyone tell me how Chicago/Windows 4 would differ from OS/2 2.x? Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war, here. I'm simply curious if there is going to be any feature advantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...) " 62,11,"From: Jay Fenton Subject: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jfenton.kaleida.com X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:12:23 GMT How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". I can imagine the ciphertext exhibiting certain statistical characteristics that might give a clue as to the encryption technique used, but not enough to give a handle for diferential cryptoanalysis. However, superencipherment or some other scheme that shapes the percieved properties of my ciphertext could thwart this. " 63,10,"From: wein1@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david weinberg) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX The tradition of the octopus started back in the 1950s. It was tradition to toss an octopus out on the ice during the first play-off games because you needed eight wins for Stanely Cup. Today people toss octupi anytime it gets near the play-offs. Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.cc.utexas.edu David " 64,5,"From: dbryant@leconte.Eng.Sun.COM (David Bryant) Subject: Re: GUI toolkit for the Sun Sparc. Reply-To: dbryant@leconte.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: leconte In article C4M@cuug.ab.ca, winsorr@sun (Robin Winsor 233-4670) writes: >You are right to be going Motif rather than OpenLook. Sun has just recently >seen the light and dumped their commitment to OpenLook. In the announcement >they stated they have no future plans for DevGuide. This is incorrect. Sun has made no such claim regarding Devguide, and as manager of the Devguide engineering group I can state with authority that work on Devguide is continuing apace. We had quite a strong show of interest from the Devguide user community at last week's Solaris Developer's Conference. Devguide is being advocated not only as a valuable future builder tool, but as an important bit of transition technology that will help sustain current customers and facilitate their migration to the COSE Desktop Environment. If you have specific questions about Devguide availability, etc., you can contact Tali Aben, our Devguide Product Marketing person, at (415) 336-3536. David Bryant Devguide Manager SunSoft " 65,11,"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 38 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. Surely the hypothesis relying on the least wild assumptions is to take this at face value. Our lads at the fort were asked to cook up something that's pretty secure, with a key that can be escrowed neatly, and they did. The government plans to sell this thing, for the reasons they state. Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head. This is pretty clearly an effort by the government to do exactly what they're saying they're doing. As is typical with governments, it's mismanaged, and full of holes and compromises. As is typical with our government, it's not too bad, could be worse. My interpretation. Andrew >-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isn't this just a little melodramatic? " 66,4,"From: anielsen@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Nielsen) Subject: Versatec plotter PPD? Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Hello world, does anyone know of a Postscript PPD for a Versatec A0-size plotter, which is generally accessed via a ZEH Postscript interpreter? Replies by e-mail very gratefully received - this is proving to be quite a tricky one. _________________________________________________________________________ Andrew D. Nielsen Internet : anielsen@DIALix.oz.au Advanced Systems Consultant AppleLink: AUST0278 AppleCentre Perth 69 Adelaide Tce Tel: +61-9-2214511 PERTH WA 6004 AUSTRALIA FAX: +61-9-2212527 ""Any opinions expressed are my own, not those of my employer."" " 67,2,"From: tedm@tsoft.net (Ted Matsumura) Subject: Re: Windows gripe... Organization: TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 37 In article <1ppmvf$qnh@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell) writes: > >Hi there, > > There's one thing about Windows that really frosts me. >I have 20MB of RAM installed in my system. I use a 5MB (2.5MB >under Windows) disk-cache, and a 4MB permanent swap file. > > While I can never fill the memory up, I still have problems >sometimes because I run out of GDI resources. What gives? >I think Windows could manage these resources a little better. > > Does anyone have any input on how to conserve these resources >so that I can avoid this problem? > >Nate >-------------------------- >Nathan C. Crowell, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering/ACRL > >Worcester Polytechnic Institute E-mail: bigal@wpi.wpi.edu > >""Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars"" Nathan, Win31 has a fixed limit of 64K GDI memory, regardless of physical RAM installed, this is twice that of Win30, but not nearly robust enough for many developers and power users. Using Amish Launch as your shell, you can reduce GDI memory usage by as much as 15% over Progman, NDW 2, DAshboard, and other graphical type icon based and other shells. Also, nesting, and full hot-key global support is offered, something no other shells have at this time. Ted Matsumura, President Amish Software, Inc. :wq " 68,17,"From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 16 Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu tsiel writes: >If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a ""Hamas Mujahid"" with an anti-tank missile >then I'm almost sure that the ""terrorist zionists"" would not have been able >to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the missile. maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body gets ""desintegrated."" of course, destroying 10 houses to kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it? -- ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________ (______ _ | _ |_ _____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo " 69,14,"From: mwm+@cs.cmu.edu (Mark Maimone) Subject: How to read sci.space without netnews Summary: Space Digest address Nntp-Posting-Host: a.gp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 36 In article <734975852.F00001@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space, >but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet >feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. Kudos to Mark for his generous offer, but there already exists a large (email-based) forwarding system for sci.space posts: Space Digest. It mirrors sci.space exactly, and provides simple two-way communication. TO SUBSCRIBE: Send the following message in the *body* (not subject) of an email message: subscribe space John Q Public to one of these addresses: listserv@uga listserv@uga.cc.uga.edu listserv@finhutc listserv@finhuc.hut.fi space-request@isu.isunet.edu You'll receive all the posts in ""digest"" form once a day. Please use a listserv if you can, the ""space-request"" address is handled manually. TO POST MESSAGES: Send your message (with a reasonable Subject line) to: space@isu.isunet.edu Questions, comments to space-request@isu.isunet.edu -- Mark Maimone phone: +1 (412) 268 - 7698 Carnegie Mellon Computer Science email: mwm@cmu.edu " 70,12,"From: mniederb@pws2.itr.ch (Niederberger Markus) Subject: Characterization of opamps Organization: Interkantonales Technikum Rapperswil (ITR) Switzerland Lines: 23 Hi, Right now I should do some characterization of opamps. Because I don't have special equipment for this task, I have to do this job with relativly simple equipments (Frequency sweeper, DSO, etc.). Does anyone know good test circuitry for characterization of opamps? Especially for measuring open-loop gain, phase margin, PSSR, CMMR and so on. Are there any books or application notes on this subject available? Please reply vi e-mail or nn. Thanks Mark __________________________________________________________________________ _____ Mark Niederberger E-mail: mniederb@itr.ch __________________________________________________________________________ _____ " 71,19,"From: markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Lines: 27 In <930415.112243.8v6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: >There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: Bullshit. >There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that. Speaking as one who has taken LSD, I say: Bullshit. >> One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term >> ""objective"", if anything. >I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive >towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't >actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not >be too far wrong. How could striving toward an ideal be in any way useful, if the ideal had no objective existence? -- Mark Pundurs any resemblance between my opinions and those of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental " 72,14,"From: jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Lines: 37 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada In article <15APR199315012030@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.094320.1723@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes... >>> > So how close would the comet have gotten to Jupiter on the pass that >>> > put it into temporary orbit, and how far is it likely to get from >>> > Jupiter before it makes its escape? >>> >>> The answer to all of these questions is we don't know yet. >>> We don't know for sure if the comet is in a temporary orbit. >> >>I see. I wasn't so interested in this particular case as in typical >>behavior, anyway. Can these questions be answered for a previous >>instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting? > > Gehrels 3 was in a temporary Jovian orbit for about 3 or 4 years. I'll > get the orbital elements from Dance of the Planets and post them here. Sorry folks, I should have done this, and meant to just after i hit the send key... Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files) p(au) 3.424346 e 0.151899 i 1.0988 cap_omega(0) 243.5652 W(0) 231.1607 epoch 1977.04110 Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: April 1973 83 jupiter radii August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii Hope this helps...I'm even less of an orbital mechanic than I am an artist. John Garland jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca " 73,6,"From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall) Subject: Re: Receiver and C-101 equilizer for sale Keywords: receiver, equilizer ,sterio,amp Article-I.D.: rpi.zss56vm Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu I have sold the receiver. The Equilizer is still for sale -Technics SA-450 integrated Quartz synthesizer Digital Receiver -SOLD!!!!! -Audio Control C-101 graphic equilizer -This is an awesome Eq., but I am broke. -10 bands/channel, octave EQ -subsonic filter -rumble reducer -tape monitor -amazing real time spectrum analyzer with calibrtated microphone and pink noise generator, calibrated and uncalibrated range adjustment, display is calibrated in dB and can display the average energy per band, or the average for the full speactrum(great for checking how loud your system is) -The display action has two speed settings to adjust how quickly the display responds to transients This is one of the best equilizers around. It is very quiet, and the display Is fascinating to watch. It sells for $400-$450 in stores, so I will sell it for -$315 obo send all responses to halle@rpi.edu , or call (518)276-7382 eve. " 74,2,Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Lines: 18 I'm looking for a decent Windows news reader. I've given up on winvn 0.76 since it doesn't work very well with the winsock.dll of the IBM TCP/IP for DOS 2.1. What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access our token ring (results in invalid class error :( Bye! Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be 75,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 23 bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: > > The comparison of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust > is insulting and completely false. Any person making such a rude > and false comparison is either ignorant of the Holocaust, or also > ignorant of the situation in the mideast, or is an anti-semite. > > To compare a complicated political situation with the genocide > of 6,000,000 Jews is racist in and of itself. > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). What I resent is ignorant statements that call people names when they disagree with your position. Opposing the atrocities commited by the Israeli governement hardly qualifies as anti-semitism. If you think name calling is a valid form of argument in intellectual circles, you need to get out more often. I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is not appreciated. " 76,2,"From: YTKIM@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (YONG T KIM) Subject: WINNLS.DLL? Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 I tried to install a foreign language Windows application that required a file named WINNLS.DLL. I checked all of my WIndows 3.1 installation disks for this file, but could not find it. Does anybody have any idea what this file is for and where one could get it from? " 77,1,"From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Lines: 40 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc110 Organization: Ostfold College In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: >From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) >Subject: Newsgroup Split >Date: 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT >Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of >doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading >this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 >different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts >a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum >for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? >Just curious. > > >Daemon > Actuallay I don't, but on the other hand I don't support the idea of having one newsgroup for every aspect of graphics programming as proposed by Brian, in his reply to my original posting. I would suggest a looser structure more like a comp.graphics.programmer, comp.graphics.hw_and_sw The reason for making as few groups as possible is for the same reason you say we shouldn't spilt up, not to get to few postings every day. I takes to much time to browse through all postings just to find two or three I'm interested in. I understand and agree when you say you want all aspects of graphics in one meeting. I agree to some extension. I see news as a forum to exchange ideas, help others or to be helped. I think this is difficult to achive if there are so many different things in one meeting. Good evening netters|-) Arff ""Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values, who's birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And often disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear a seeing man prizeing what he sees."" Per Lagerkvist, The Fist (Free translation from Swedish) --Andreas Arff andreasa@dhhalden.no-- " 78,14,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Space Event in Los Angeles, CA X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 52 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a potential to power the globe. For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever increasing demand using proven, basic technology. OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the National Space Society, which is an international non-profit organization that promotes development of the space frontier. The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left " 79,6,"Subject: Joe Venuti Record Wanted From: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu (Richard J. Brooks) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 7 If anyone has Joe Venuti's record ""Fiddle on Fire"" and would like to sell it please contact me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard J. Brooks (El Cerrito, CA) Internet: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu CompuServe: 71121,3406 Internet: 71121.3406@compuserve.com " 80,13,"From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) Subject: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying? Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3 Lines: 6 Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear that pilots and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours -- what are these limits? What are the main problems associated with too many long-haul (over 4 hours) trips? Frequent Flyer. " 81,15,"From: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: UH Dept of Math Lines: 27 ""Darius"" == Darius Lecointe writes: Darius> vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) writes: Darius> Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal Darius> hell theory should provide all the biblical evidence they can Darius> find for it. Stay away from human theories, and only take Darius> into account references in the bible. Like most topics, we've been through this one before, but here is a good start: Matthew 25:46: ""Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."" I may post more on this subject when I have more time. In any case, it is clear that the fate of the damned is most unpleasant, and to be avoided. David Wagner ""Sola Scriptura!"" a confessional Lutheran [I'd like to suggest that discussions based on single quotations are a bad way to proceed. There are passages consistent with either theory. The sensible way to proceed is to look at them all, and see if we can come up with a view that encompasses all of them. --clh] " 82,10,"Subject: Re: Who picks first? From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr17.181421.14349@epas.toronto.edu>, sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) writes: > According to THE FAN here in T.O., Ottawa has won the Daigle e > sweepstakes. They didn't mention why, but San Jose had more goals > than the Sen-sens, so I have a hunch this is why Ottawa would pick > first..... If I'm not mistaken, San Jose had more wins than Ottawa. First tiebreaker in the NHL is always most wins. Alan " 83,8,"From: ""Jae W. Chang"" Subject: Info on Sport-Cruisers Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings ( full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still has that sporty look. I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series BMW bikes. I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being produced by companies other than BMW. Thanks for the info, Jae -------------------------- jae@cmu.edu " 84,2,"From: krh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (kenneth.r.hackbarth) Subject: Re: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: Quicken Tobias Lines: 19 I've never had quicken but I did use MYM in it's early days. I have MS Money for Windows now and a financial planning package called Wealthbuilder by Reality Technologies and Money Magazine. P.S. I also do my taxes with Turbo Tax. All of these packages are good in their own way but none of them really support me in doing what I really need to do - manage my finances. The first company that comes along with a Windows based package that: manages budgets and accounts manages loans calculates taxes uses all of the above and knowledge about my investing philosophy to help me invest in the right investment vehicles, and integrates it all together will have my business for life. Ken khackbarth@attmail.com " 85,5,"From: papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) Subject: X Toolkits Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 29 I am considering making a reasonably large application for free distribution (probably copylefted). I am going to use X. Now I'm bewildered by the huge number of ""standards"" that ""open systems"" has created. I've lived in a fairly tookit-sheltered environment. Most of the tools here were produced with the Athena Widget set, or X Intrinsics or Xw (??). In my humble opinion, they look like crap. I don't know, however, if this is a characteristic of the tookits, or just poor aestetic taste in the programmers. I would like my app to look a little more ""sculptured"" like mwm. I understand, however, that mwm isn't free like the other tookits. I am getting Linux, so I will have InterViews, but I don't know how it will look. I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't know what it looks like either. If you can help explain this toolkit mess to me, I would be much obliged. Which are free? Which are the best? Which are portable? Which looks nice? Which is not a resource hog? Also, if you happen to know which are available on Linux and/or Sun, that would be a big help too. Thanks in advance. " 86,13,"From: sheryl@seas.gwu.edu (Sheryl Coppenger) Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: George Washington University Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes: >>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications >>has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted >>sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to >>prevent asthma); Vancenase. > >Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain. >It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect, >and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly >doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause >drowsiness. > So antihistamines can cause weight gain. NOW they tell me. :-) Is there any way to find out which do & which don't? My doctor obviously is asleep at the wheel. The original poster mentioned fatigue. I had that too, but it was mostly due to the really bizarre dreams I was having -- I wasn't getting any rest. My doctor said that was a common reaction. If astemizole doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier, how does it cause that side effect? Any ideas? -- Sheryl Coppenger SEAS Computing Facility Staff sheryl@seas.gwu.edu The George Washington University (202) 994-6853 " 87,1,"From: pinky@tamu.edu (The Man behind The Curtain) Subject: Views on isomorphic perspectives? Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu Keywords: isomorphic perspectives I'm working upon a game using an isometric perspective, similar to that used in Populous. Basically, you look into a room that looks similar to the following: xxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxx x xxxx xxxx x xxxx xxxx 2 xxxx 1 xxxx x xxxx xxxx x x xxxx xxxx x x xxxx o xxxx x xxxx 3 /|\ xxxx xxxx /~\ xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx The good thing about this perspective is that you can look and move around in three dimensions and still maintain your peripheral vision. [*] Since your viewpoint is always the same, the routines can be hard-coded for a particular vantage. In my case, wall two's rising edge has a slope of 1/4. (I'm also using Mode X, 320x240). I've run into two problems; I'm sure that other readers have tried this before, and have perhaps formulated their own opinions: 1) The routines for drawing walls 1 & 2 were trivial, but when I ran a packed->planar image through them, I was dismayed by the ""jaggies."" I'm now considered some anti-aliasing routines (speed is not really necessary). Is it worth the effort to have the artist draw the wall already skewed, thus being assured of nice image, or is this too much of a burden? 2) Wall 3 presents a problem; the algorithm I used tends to overly distort the original. I tried to decide on paper what pixels go where, and failed. Has anyone come up with method for mapping a planar to crosswise sheared shape? Currently I take: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 and produce: 1 2 3 4 33 34 35 36 17 18 19 20 5 6 7 8 49 50 51 52 37 38 39 40 21 22 23 24 9 10 11 12 53 54 55 56 41 42 43 44 25 26 27 28 13 14 15 16 57 58 59 60 45 46 47 48 29 30 31 32 61 62 63 64 Line 1 follows the slope. Line 2 is directly under line 1. Line 3 moves up a line and left 4 pixels. Line 4 is under line 3. This fills the shape exactly without any unfilled pixels. But it causes distortions. Has anyone come up with a better way? Perhaps it is necessary to simply draw the original bitmap already skewed? Are there any other particularly sticky problems with this perspective? I was planning on having hidden plane removal by using z-buffering. Locations are stored in (x,y,z) form. [*] For those of you who noticed, the top lines of wall 2 (and wall 1) *are* parallel with its bottom lines. This is why there appears to be an optical illusion (ie. it appears to be either the inside or outside of a cube, depending on your mood). There are no vanishing points. This simplifies the drawing code for objects (which don't have to change size as they move about in the room). I've decided that this approximation is alright, since small displacements at a large enough distance cause very little change in the apparent size of an object in a real perspective drawing. Hopefully the ""context"" of the picture (ie. chairs on the floor, torches hanging on the walls) will dispell any visual ambiguity. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Till next time, \o/ \o/ V \o/ V email:pinky@tamu.edu <> Sam Inala <> V " 88,18,"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 26 In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married? What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache. (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours. Drewcifer -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes " 89,0,"Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses (good grief!) From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 14 In article <66018@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the >true position of reason in this group. I agree, we spend too much energy on the nonexistance of God. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 90,13,"From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <19600@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > Keith is the only person I have ever heard of that keeps the weight > off without any conscious effort to control eating behavior. ... most > of us have to diet a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I attribute my success to several factors: Very low fat. Except when someone else has cooked a meal for me, I only eat fruit, vegetables, and whole grain or bran cereals. I estimate I only get about 5 to 10 percent of my calories from fat. Very little sugar or salt. Very high fiber. Most Americans get about 10 grams. 25 to 35 are recommended. I get between 50 and 150. Sometimes 200. (I've heard of people taking fiber pills. It seems unlikely that pills can contain enough fiber to make a difference. It would be about as likely as someone getting fat by popping fat pills. Tablets are just too small, unless you snarf down hundreds of them daily.) My ""clean your plate"" conditioning works *for* me. Eating the last 10% takes half my eating time, and gives satiety a chance to catch up, so I don't still feel hungry and go start eating something else. I don't eat when I'm not hungry (unless I'm sure I'll get hungry shortly, and eating won't be practical then). I bike to work, 22 miles a day, year round. Fast. I also bike to stores, movies, and everywhere else, as I've never owned a car. I estimate this burns about 1000 calories a day. It also helps build and maintain muscle mass, prevent insulin resistance (diabetes runs in my family), and increase my metabolism. (Even so, my metabolism is so low that when I'm at rest I'm most comfortable with a temperature in the 90s (F), and usually wear a sweater if it drops to 80.) Cycling also motivates me to avoid every excess ounce. (Cyclists routinely pay a premium for cycling products that weigh slightly less than others. But it's easier and cheaper to trim weight from the rider than from the vehicle.) There's no question in my mind that my metabolism is radically different from that of most people who have never been fat. Fortunately, it isn't different in a way that precludes excellent health. Obviously, I can't swear that every obese person who does what I've done will have the success I did. But I've never yet heard of one who did try it and didn't succeed. > I think all of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the > fluctuations in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. I'm sure everyone's weight cycles, whether or not they've ever been fat. I usually eat extremely little salt. When I do eat something salty, my weight can increase overnight by as much as ten pounds. It comes off again over a week or two. -- Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x ""f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q s q=p#f"" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8 " 91,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Radio Interview in Pittsburgh 4.17.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 212 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 17, 1993 INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT BY MICHAEL WHITELY OF KDKA-AM RADIO, PITTSBURGH Pittsburgh International Airport Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10:40 A.M. EDT Q For everyone listening on KDKA Radio, I'm Mike Whitely, KDKA Radio News. We're here at the Pittsburgh International Airport and with me is the President of the United States Bill Clinton. And I'd like to welcome you to the area and to KDKA. THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Mike. Glad to be here. Q There are a lot of things we'd like to talk about in the brief amount of time we have, but some news is just breaking from Los Angeles. I guess the entire country has been kind of holding their breath, wondering what's going to happen in the trial of the four Los Angeles police officers. We just heard that two of those officers, the sergeant, Sergeant Koon and Officer Powell have been found guilty, and two officers have been found not guilty. It's a situation that's been building for over a year since the first trial and now this trial and this verdict. And I wonder what your thoughts are this morning on how you see the situation in Los Angeles in connection with your administration and what you're trying to do. THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I think the American people should know that this trial, in my judgment, is a tribute to the work and judgment of the jury, as well as to the efforts of the federal government in developing the case. The law under which the officers were tried is a complex one; the standards of proof are complicated. The jury decided that they would convict the sergeant who was responsible for supervising the officers and the officer who on the film did most of the beating. The jury acquitted an officer who kicked Rodney King, but also plainly tried to shield him from some blows, and another officer who was a rookie. No one knows exactly why they did what they did, but it appears that they really tried to do justice here. They acknowledged that his civil rights were violated. And I think that the American people should take a lot of pride in that. But I hope now we can begin to look ahead and focus on three things: first of all, the importance of trying to bring this country together and not violate the civil rights of any American; secondly, the importance of renewing our fight against crime. I think it's important to recognize that in the poorest areas of Los Angeles and many other cities in this country, people may be worried about police abuse, but they're even more worried about crime. It's time that we renewed our efforts to go to community policing -- put 100,000 more police officers on the street; pass the Brady Bill that would require a waiting period before people could buy a handgun, and do some other things to reduce the vulnerability of our people to violence and drugs. And the last point I'd like to make is it seems to me that we have got to rededicate ourselves to the economic revitalization of our cities and other economically-distressed areas. If you just think about it -- if everybody in Los Angeles who wanted a job had one, I don't think we'd have quite as many problems as we do. And I laid out a very ambitious program in the campaign to try to bring private investment and public investment to bear in our cities. I have dispatched the Commerce Secretary, Ron Brown, to California to try to come up with some strategies for that state, because it's our biggest state with our highest unemployment rate -- which could then be applied around the country. I want to talk to him and to the Attorney General, to the new head of the NAACP, to Reverend Jackson, and to several other people, and then I'll decide where to go from here with regard to Los Angeles and the other cities of the country. Q Let's talk about what brings you to the Pittsburgh area today. There have been -- I guess there's been a lot of discussion on Capitol Hill about your stimulus package. You've been locked in a battle with the GOP. Yesterday, as you said earlier in your radio address, you made some moves to break that gridlock. What brings you to Pittsburgh, in particular to Allegheny County, in particular to Pennsylvania, with that battle? THE PRESIDENT: Well, there are two reasons. First of all, Pittsburgh, Allegheny County and Pennsylvania supported me in the last election because they wanted a new direction in economic policy. We have passed our overall economic plan; it gives the country a very different budget for the next five years than we've had in the previous 12. We reduced the deficit and, at the same time, increased investment in jobs and education and health care, in the things that will make us a stronger country. But in addition to that, I asked the Congress in the short run to spend a little more money, a modest amount of money to create another half-million jobs in the next year and a half; to try to cut the unemployment rate by a half a percent; but also to try to spark job creation in the private sector more. The plan passed the House. It has the support of a majority of the Senate. At the present time, all the Republican senators as a bloc are filibustering the bill. That is, they won't let it come to a vote. I believe that Senator Specter would like to vote for the bill. And I believe that Senator Dole, the Republican leader, has put a lot of pressure on a lot of the Republicans to stay hitched. And they're all saying that this bill increases the deficit. It doesn't. This bill is well below the spending targets that Congress approved, including the Republicans, for this year. This bill is paid for by budget cuts in the next five years. This bill is designed to give a jump-start to the economy. And I must say, a lot of the Republican senators that are holding it up, when Mr. Bush was President, voted for billions of dollars of emergency spending of just this kind -- much of it was totally unrelated to creating jobs. So what I'm trying to do is to break this logjam. I've held out an olive branch, I've offered a compromise. But I think that we ought to try to put some more Americans to work right now to show that we're changing the direction of the country. And that's the purpose of the bill. Q Have you been in touch with Senator Specter or his office lately? THE PRESIDENT: Well, we've been trying to talk regularly to -- through my White House Congressional Liaison operation to the senators that we think are open to this -- Senator Specter, Senator D'Amato from New York, Senator Jeffords from Vermont, Senator Hatfield from Oregon, and five or six others whom we believe know we need more jobs in this economy and know that we are paying for this with budget cuts over the life of the budget I presented. You know, it has a lot of appeal to say, well, we've got a big deficit, we shouldn't increase it more. But the truth is that we are paying for this with budget cuts in the whole life of the budget over the next few years. And more importantly, we have this program well below the spending targets that Congress has already approved for this year. And they've done this for years, with the Republicans voting for it -- many Republicans voting for it -- for things that weren't nearly as important as putting the American people back to work. So I just hope that this doesn't become a political issue. It ought to just be about the people of this country and the need for jobs. Q I have some questions from people who supported you, and some people who are skeptical about your administration. It has to do with their hopes, and also with their fears. A lot of people who supported you and voted for you in Pennsylvania --I think some of them are now saying, we're glad we got him in the White House, but now look at this incredible process he has to go through. Look at these problems. Look at this gridlock. And they're beginning to wonder, is this going to work; can you pull it off? And, of course, your skeptics are saying, well, I knew it was going to be like this. THE PRESIDENT: Well, what I would -- I'd ask people, first of all, to remember that we are, frankly, moving very fast. The budget resolution that the Congress passed is the fastest they have ever passed a budget resolution -- ever -- in history, setting out the next five-year budget targets. So we are moving really rapidly. And we've got them working on political reform, welfare reform, health care reform, a whole wide range of things. But it's a big operation. You can't expect to turn it around overnight. It took 12 years to produce the conditions which led to the victory I received from the people in November, and we can't turn it around in 90 days. But I think we're making real, real progress. I would urge the people not to get discouraged. We're not going to win every battle, and not everything is going to happen overnight. But we are definitely moving and changing things. Q Thank you very much. The President of the United States, Bill Clinton, here live at Pittsburgh International Airport. I'm Mike Whitely, KDKA News. END10:31 A.M. EDT " 92,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: |> |> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old |> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac |> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to |> sell them but have gotten NO interest. |> |> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy |> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing |> about it. The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-) JohnH " 93,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. <1993Apr17.010734.23670@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Lines: 7 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >Ignorance is not bliss! Ignorance is STRENGTH! Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE! " 94,7,"From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) Subject: Re: AudiWatch Update (Tm) #11 Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr2.194838.13476@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.181037.11188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: >>powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell) writes: >>The kind of corporate raiding apparently undertaken by VW is shameful. > >Agreed. However, the particular execs had been working with Iggy for >many years and had left GM Europe to go to Detroit. With their raison >-andy I was out of date. VW is stealing execs directly from Opel, independent of Lopez. Shameful. -andy " 95,4,"From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 15 smith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith) writes: >Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of >command-option for desktop rebuilds. I tried the right set and it didn't work. I'm on the phone to their tech support right now and the guys doesn't know what a desktop rebuild is!!! He's got me holding for someone else............... And holding, and holding, and holding. Ok they finally got back to me and said basically ""it should work"". Well it doens't and they don't know why. Guess it will go back to MacConnection and I'll buy something else. I've got better things to do than play musical keyboards. -Terry " 96,2,"From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: psycho.ecst.csuchico.edu In article <1qkqrhINNobc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: . . >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here >using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield acceptable speed... -- ============================================================================ | Jeff Meyers | jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu | 39x43'N 121x48'W | | Chico, Ca 95926 | KD6DIS@KE6LW.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA | Grid: CN80-CM99 ?? | ============================================================================ " 97,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qngqlINNnp8 Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: >-s87271077-s.walker-man-50- (swalker@uts.EDU.AU) wrote: >During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough >to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling >tower where it is sprayed into the air. Nonsense. First, the uranium fuel is sealed in zirconium alloy cylinders (which don't melt in any circumstances short of major failure of the power plant). Second, the primary water (that circulates inside the reactor core) is never pumped into the cooling tower (it's the SECONDARY water cycle that goes through the cooling tower). Third, liquid uranium would burst into flame on contact with air. >Contact with the cool outside air >will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. >There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then >reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. Cleaning crew working in a mist of uranium? This is a toxic heavy metal, even if it WEREN'T radioactive. Shouldn't there be some smileys here? Or frowneys? John Whitmore " 98,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: RE Aftermarket A/C units Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 29 >Les Bartel's comments: >>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to >>make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp >>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with >>it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have >>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't >>trust the quality and performance after this experience. >> - les > >Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not >work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups >identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same >result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what?? > > Ernie Smith i agree, *never* have the dealer add anything to your car. if you want a/c make sure it is factory installed(honda's maybe excluded, many can't be bought with a/c installed at the factory, but i think, maybe, they actually use all the needed parts for a true factory install when they put one in...as in bigger radiator etc...or are designed properly for this in the 1st place), anyway, my point is the dealer installed a/c won't be anywhere near as good as factory *and* the service bums will mess up your car when installing it... scratches, screwdriver holes in seats...parts not reinstalled correctly or with all the screws etc. i know a guy who has been service manager at a gm dealer for 18 years...he said never have a dealer add anything to your car... except, maybe, floormats... " 99,18,"From: chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Lines: 111 NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu > Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue > > >10. Men in uniform are persona non grata in the home of our Commander in > Chief. > >9. Algore's enviro-mentalism will make the Clean Air Act look like an > industrial policy. > >8. Higher taxes are once again the prescription for all that ails America. > >7. Tax dodging is unpatriotic; draft dodging is a symbol of pride. > >6. Beaded curtains hang from the Oval Office windows. > >5. Socialism may be dead in the ex-Soviet Union but we are told to prepare > for the nationalization of our health care resources. (These people > must be inhaling something.) > >4. Not quite free love but eating Flowers is considered healthy. > >3. The feminazis have a President in the White House whether the rest of > us realize it or not. > >2. Slick may be the first draft dodger to send American troops into > combat. > >1. Slick may be unpopular with middle-class Americans, but he's a BIG HIT > on campus with the professorial class. > > > >Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 > Here's my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser's list 10. It's about time we have a President that might actually stand up to the military. Our men and women in uniform must learn that the world does not revolve around them, and that one of the things they're out there defending is our right to be critical of them, even denounce them. 9. Let me explain something to you. Environmental policy and industrial policy MUST go hand in hand. Our nation, and indeed, our planet cannot afford to continue ignoring this as was done over the last twelve years. Our industrial/environmental position has been downright SHAMEFUL! We must have active government support of the key industries such as, telecommunications, microelectronics, medical, biotech, and environmental tech. Meanwhile weed out old, inneficient, high-polution, industries that are better left to other nations. This will make us richer, help produce new jobs, and help the environment. To give credit where credit is due, I heard a lot of this in a speech by Senator John Kerry (D-MA) tonite. In addition, it's time we get really, really serious about issues like overpopulation, globabl warming, and ozone depletion. The planet on which we live should be our utmost priority! 8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work, to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to cost more money and I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair share! 7. I can't believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you're willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an enemy which at best doesn't affect us and at worst really should be our friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn't pay taxes! 6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! 5. Look, Canada, Europe, and Japan manage to provide health care for their citizens (and, yes, basic health IS a human right which people are entitled to). If these nations aren't capitalist enough for you, then I guess we've found something better than capitalism! There is nothing sacred about the capitalist system, and if something, be it socialism or anything else, works better, then I say let capitalism die. 4. Make love, not War! 3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. 2. See number 10. 1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! -Amar Chaudhary Peace, Land, at Matzoh! ""AC in DC in 2008!"" None of the opinions here necessary reflect the opinions of Yale University or anyone or anything associated with it, except for me, of course :) Please post reponses or send them to chaudhary-amar@cs.yale.edu " 100,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Role of 'SDPA.ORG' in slaughter of Gunduz, Ariyak, Arikan, Benler,... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 107 In article <1993Apr16.044001.15540@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes: >Sure it is. It tells us how far right the whole Turkish political spectrum Nobody ever exposed your crimes like that before? What was your personal role in the murder of Orhan Gunduz and Kemal Arikan, again? How many more Muslims will be slaughtered by 'SDPA.ORG' as publicly declared and filed with legal authorities? Please spell it out for us. ""...that more people have to die..."" SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP> ""Yes, I stated this and stand by it."" SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP> January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles Kemal Arikan is slaughtered by two Armenians while driving to work. March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing in self-satisfaction. Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? December 17, 1980 - Sydney Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. It is public knowledge that the founder of the Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization, the ASALA (an integral part of ASALA/SDPA/ARF), Hagop Hagopian, began his notorious career as a member of the terrorist group which perpetrated the massacre of the Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972. And the 'Armenian Foundation' stole from the children of Turkiye to fund the criminal activities of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists in their cold-blooded murder of defenceless Turkish and Kurdish people. THE ARMENIAN FOUNDATION PROVIDED 30 BILLION TL TO ASALA 01/09/92, MILLIYET-- The Armenian Foundation based in Istanbul is found to have provided 30 billion Turkish Lira ($6 million) to the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA which have murdered several Turkish diplomats abroad... Experts on international terrorism assert that the Armenian terrorists use proceeds from drug trafficking (and from the Armenian Foundation) to fund their deadly enterprises. The deadliest of terrorist assassins, Carlos, proclaimed on Spanish television that his organization had entered into a working relationship with Armenian terrorists and they are using drug trafficking to raise money 'to continue' to slaughter innocent people. Now, what is your personal and organizational role in this scheme? Recent reports which have been confirmed by the U.S. Administration, indicate that Armenian terrorist organizations are collaborating with those who are responsible for the bombing of the United States Marine barracks in Beirut. You won't be able to get away with your crimes forever; the justice is long overdue. As for the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920: Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 42,"" Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1. (To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant Section Director Major Ali Sukru) ""It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities in the villages... I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it at a spot that was invisible from the road..."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 101,2,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 41 As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I can't reproduce crashes, and they are not always GPF's in the same application. Sometimes I can recover by simply closing the application that caused an error, but other times, windows acts very strange, and I need to re-boot. Some background: I have a Leading Edge 486sx25 with Phoenix BIOS. When I first got it it had 4Mg of memory. It ran windows fine (not too many GPF's). Then, a couple of weekends ago, I installed Lotus 123 for windows (with ATM), a game card and an additional 4 1Mg SIMMS. The Leading edge machine is kind of strange, in that it has the IDE controler built into the motherboard, the CPU is actually on a sparate board that plugs into the motherboard and the SIMMS it uses are Macintosh SIMMS! Apparently I was told that the Leading Edge had the parity bit built into the mother board. The original 4Mg 80ns SIMMS where of the 2 chip variety from SAMSUNG, and the ones I installed are 8 chip SIMMS. They are recognized fine by the BIOS RAM check. The game card is a generic $20 gamecard. The reason why I mention the hardware like this is that sometimes rebooting the machine using the reset button or ctl-alt-del still leaves the machine kind of flaky, but turning it on and off doesn't. I haven't tried taking out the RAM or the game card, because as I said these GPF are not reproducible at will. I have gone through and entire day using the computer with no problems and then I might get 5 or so GPF's in the sppace of 20 minutes? What can I do. This situation is most annoying... Are there any good diagnostic tools for hardware? Do you think that this might be a software problem (ie EMM386 etc.)? If it helps, i have manage to get GPF's on After Dark, quicken, Paint shop pro. A lot of them have been in user.exe or gdi.exe. Any help is truly appreciated..... -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com " 102,6,"From: jerry.ciz@rose.com (jerry ciz) Subject: SYNOPTICS LAN H/W Article-I.D.: rose.1993Apr17.070759.18605 Distribution: misc Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 21 X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) For Sale or Trade 2 SYNOPTICS Model 2510, LAN concentrators o new, never used, original packing o each unit has 12 RJ45 ports for 10 Mbps ethernet connectivity o included are one power supply, manuals, bracket hardware for 19"" racks o you can setup LANs using unshielded twisted pair (UTP) telephone wiring o both units $400 o or, trade.... I'm looking for 386DX/486DX PC hardware email: jerry.ciz@rose.com phone: 416-855-6205 (24hrs, 7days a week) --- RoseReader 2.10 R003050 Entered at [ROSE] RoseMail 2.10 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285 " 103,17,"From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: >|> >|>..[cancellum]... >|> > > >Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; > >ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE >WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS >tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of >CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. > > It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in their signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your posting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid addressing ladies with ""Mr."", as you have done. Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and the demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's military intervention to it under international agreements. Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now pursuing. But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... Onur Yalcin -- " 104,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 38 In article sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: > >I have written a program and I want to market it. I would like certain degree >of protection, since my main custmers are individuals and not the >cooperations. I know laser hole burning method, and hardware key method, >however, my software is going to cost only $15.00, so I can not afford that. >Also, at this low price I can not afford people make too many copy of my >software. Well, I guess say upto %20 illigal copying is ok by me. > >However, I do not want someone to get a copy of PCTools and copy my software. >Off course, I never meant to forbid the true hackers from copying, since they >can develope a better program anyway. I wouldn't bother with the copy protection, if I were you. If you program is any good, the pirates will have stripped the protection and will be distributing the stripped version is well under a week. Hardware methods prevent J. Random Loser from using his Copy II PC to pirate your software, but doesn't stop anyone who knows a few people with enough connections to ""real"" pirates who _will_ be able to defeat your ""check for the hole"" code. You may want to price your software (depending on what it is) a tad higher... a price change from $15 to $25 probably would turn off very few potentials buyers, and that way you could tolerate more pirates (whose numbers don't change with the price). As for the 20% pirating figure... ha, ha. Of course, a lot of pirates just have this ""thing"" about having pirated software, even if they never use it, so perhaps that really wouldn't count towards 20%. Even so, 20% is awfully low. ---Joel Kolstad P.S. -- I assume you're talking PC software. If you're talking UNIX, HP-48, or something else somewhat obscure, copy protection might be a slightly more viable alternative. " 105,5,"From: d3e758@bucky.pnl.gov (JE Pelkey) Subject: Multi-screen apps and window managers Originator: d3e758@bucky.pnl.gov Organization: Battelle Pacific N.W. Labs Lines: 50 I am working on a project to provide an emergency management information system. In keeping with more classic command and control type systems, we are considering developing a dual screen monitor system in order to provide a status board on it's own monitor. I have a number of X level questions regarding this: (We are devloping on Unix systems using X/Motif. Platform will be predominantly Sun's, probably with ports to RS/6000 as well). I am assuming the standard dual monitor systems are configured such that we are talking about one X display and multiple screens, and not multiple X displays. Given this: - Is changing input focus from one screen to the other as simple as tracking your mouse from one screen to the other? There's nothing special that needs to be done to shift focus between screens? - Do I have to run separate window managers on the separate screens or are there multiscreen window managers out there? What are they; who sells them... - Is a multi-screen window manager the only way I can grab a window frame and move a window from one screen to the next? - Is there any way for the application to transparently see multiple screens as one logical x-y plane, or does the hardware only provide for each screen to start at 0,0? - Any thoughts on the difficulties involved with designing a system capable of using either multiple screens or a single screen (perhaps running a virtual window manager to simulate multiple screens instead)? I am assuming that this is not a major issue - that I can rely on providing config files which will specify for each configuration the screen placement of each window in the application. Any thoughts or suggestions from past experience are more than welcome. ======================================================================== Jo Pelkey Phone: (509)375-6947 Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs Fax: (509)375-3641 Mail Stop K7-22 Email: je_pelkey@pnl.gov P.O. Box 999 Richland, WA 99352 ======================================================================== " 106,7,"From: jsmith@cs.dal.ca (Jeff Smith) Subject: Header for 89' Honda Civic Si Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.dal.ca Hello, I am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 Honda Civic Si. I was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not too drastic. I thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new header. Does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give me? I think I would check with Jackson Racing for the part. Are there any other comparines would make Honda parts. Are there any other small changes that can be easily made and won't screw up the car. Things like new injectors?, new fuel injection chip etc? I would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a difference. I don't really want to change the cam etc because I have heard that it would be much harder on the engine. E-Mail relpies prefered please and I will post a summary of all the replies. Thanks for any help you may have to offer! -- Jeff Smith jsmith@cs.dal.ca Dalhousie University Halifax, NS " 107,10,"From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes: >>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >>being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >>season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >>for the Pens. > I think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he got traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn't Rick Vaive the captain of the Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for Ed Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that Darryl Sittler was their captain (he'd torn the ""C"" off his jersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he was traded to the Flyers. Oh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before he was traded wasn't he? Gary " 108,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Detroit-Toronto? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu What's the deal? c.s.h. has nothing on it yet. Is it in OT, is it over, what? I want to know! We all want to know! Where's Roger when you need him?!?!?!?! :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""A cow is not a vegetarian dish."" -- Keith Keller, 1993 " 109,9,"From: kshus@schunix.uucp (Christopher Shustakg) Subject: Where can I find baseball statistics ?? Organization: SCHUNIX Public Access Unix for Worcester County, MA, USA Lines: 7 I am interested in uncovering statistics on Boston Red Sox players from March 1992 - present. I want to look at changes in batting average, hits, multi-hit games, runs, stolen bases, and on base % during every game. Where can I find this information? Do any sports magazines log this info or do I have to go directly to the ball club? Thanks for the info. Kip " 110,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <1993Mar26.001004.10983@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes: > >By the way, does the brain even have pain receptors? I thought not--I heard >that brain surgery can be performed while the patient is conscious for >precisely this reason. > No, no, we aren't talking about receptors for the brain's sensory innervation, but structures such as the thalamus that handle pain for the entire organism. Apples and oranges. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 111,8,"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 12 Re: Rubbing Compound.... You mean Meguire's* didn't work? * THE DOD magic elixir of choice for plastic stuff Ron Miller DoD 693 " 112,16,"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) Subject: Question on Senate Bills Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com Organization: Storage Technology Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 49 I'm writting letters to my Congresscritters and was wondering if there is any reason(s) why I should NOT support the following Bills, other than the previous comments about S.458. Just checking before I mail the letter to make sure I don't support something that I really shouldn't. ----------------- I strongly SUPPORT the following laws currently being considered in Congress as they would either have a positive effect towards reducing crime, or re- enforce our Constitutional right under the 2nd amendment. * S. 441 (Campbell) To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a mandatory minimum sentence for the unlawful possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, a fugitive from justice, a person who is addicted to, or an unlawful user of, a controlled substance, or a transferor or receiver of a stolen firearm, to increase the general penalty for violation of Federal firearms laws, and to increase the enhanced penalties provided for the possession of a firearm in connection with a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime, and for other purposes. * S.458 (Smith) To restore the second Amendment Rights of all Americans. * S.488 (Specter) To provide Federal penalties for drive-by shootings. * S.504 (Kohl) To amend section 924 of title 18, United States Code to make it a Federal crime to steal a firearm or explosives in interstate or foreign commerce. Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a story, bout a man named Brady, who took a .22 bullet in his head. Even though he can act perfectly normal, he prefers to pretend he's brain dead. Here's a story, bout a woman named Brady, who had nothing to do but sit around all day. Then her husband became a media martyr, now she wants to take all your guns away. The Brady Bunch, The Brady Bunch, This is how we got stuck with the Brady Bunch. . . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 113,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Lines: 32 jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: >In article <19930419.155204.305@almaden.ibm.com> > ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) writes: > >> I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip, >>and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. > >The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and >tell people, you are likely to go to jail. Well, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell this is completely and utterly untrue. You see, this country has this thing called a ""constitution"". If you legitimately aquire the device, and you yourself are not a government employee or otherwise encumbered, I don't think they can stop you from revealing anything about the device you can determine. Remember the Pentagon Papers precedent? The First Amendment applies here. The U.S. does NOT have an official secrets act. We do have laws that will punish you for revealing what classified information you learned in your capacity as a government official, contractor, etc, and we have laws that prohibit stealing such information. However, if they sell you the chip, I can't see that they can make reverse engineering it and revealing the details illegal. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 114,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 63 In epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes: > I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, >Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming >front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although >they were not great players themselves. Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after him? Smythe and Norris and the bunch were honoured purely because they were powerful owners. As owners they certainly did help to build the league but whether they developed the game is another question altogether. Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the sport itself? > I agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people >have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans, >then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like >a reasonable idea. If we can get people in the (arena) door by being >uncomplicated, then let's do so. Once we have them, they will realize >what a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something >abotu the history of the game. I can't disagree with you here. >>The history of the names can be put rather succinctly. All of the aforemen- >>tioned used the game of hockey to make money. Can you imagine a Pocklington >>division? A Ballard division? Or how about a Green division? > No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say >that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are >assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy >individual (from what I have heard). What have you heard? The Major was the *definitive* little asshole! He originated the phrase ""if you can't beat 'em in the alley you can't beat 'em on the ice."" That was his idea of hockey. Do you think, by chance, that Don Cherry is a classy individual? > Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money >for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think >you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as >should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make >the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming >division after management people rather than players is adding insult >(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was >deserved). The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and that is: ""it is the players that are what make the game great and not the people who put them on the ice"" Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have always thought that this was nonsense. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 115,13,"From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: accord2 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: na Lines: 29 As nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous question ""WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT MSG IN ALMOST EVERY FOOD?"" I must assume that my wife's answer is closer to the truth than I hoped it was. She believes that MSG is added to food to cause people to eat more of it and not quit when they shoud be sated. To put it a different way, she believes that for some people MSG causes them to act toward food like an addict. (Eat all the chips, chow down on several packages of noodle soup .... you get the idea! } IF she is right, then the moral and ethical standards of the food, chemical and regulatory groups need to be addressed!!! Can MSG be considered a conditioning substance (not addictive but sort of habit forming) ? This brings up a side question of mine. I have noticed that cats (my children's and my parent's) seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet food. The cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other brand. I have wondered if this is not a case of preference, but, some sort of chemical training or addiction. My questions, for the net, are: Does the FDA regulate the contents of pet food? Is it allowed for pet food to contain addictive or conditioning substances? Is MSG put in pet food? ----------------------------------- I speak for myself and not Motorola ----------------------------------- -- Walter Lundby " 116,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr6.053736.23113 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 22 >In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes: > >> If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick >>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port >>has built in A-D converters. This would allow the joystick to be a couple of >>pots. If you could find the specs this might just work for you... I believe that the ""A-D converters"" found on a joystick port are really timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc. For games this works pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab measurements off something as non-linear as that. Hmm... I suppose you could linearize it in software, but the real problem is that the precision of your measurement is no longer constant (higher voltages would be more precise). On the other hand, I could be wrong and perhaps the game card designers splurged for the extra $.50 to make a cheap constant current source out of an op amp. But I wouldn't expect that... ---Joel Kolstad " 117,17,"From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS. ( was :Israel: misisipi to ganges) Nntp-Posting-Host: next03wor.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr5.183555.20163@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: > > In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: > |> > |> Hassan and some other seemed not to be a ware that Jews celebrating on > |> these days Thje Passover holliday the holidy of going a way from the > |> Nile. > |> So if one let his imagination freely work it seemed beter to write > |> that the Zionist drean is ""from the misisipi to the Nile "". > > the question is by going East or West from the misisipi. on either choice > you would loose Palestine or Broklyn, N.Y. > > I thought you're gonna say fromn misisipi back to the misisipi ! > Nonononnononono....its ""From the Nile to the Nile.....the Long way!"" ;-) " 118,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr14.225500.15812@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Now, if actions of the lebanese resistance help send the >Isrealis packing, I'm all for it. If you are really >concerned about bloodshed, a little self criticism could do >you a great favor. One of these days you'll learn that the way to stop Israel from fighting back is to stop attacking. If there were no attacks in the security zone for a year because the Lebanese army could maintain the peace, then Lebanon would be in much better shape. Tell me something, though. Why do Syrian troops not get attacked? Aren't they occupying Lebanon? Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave on two conditions. One is a demonstration that the Lebanese army can keep the peace. The second is that the Syrians pull out as well. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 119,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 78 In <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: >In article <1993Apr1.204657.29451@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>>This system would produce enough energy to drive the accelerator, >>>perhaps with some left over. A very high power (100's of MW CW or >>>quasi CW), very sharp proton beam would be required, but this appears >>>achievable using a linear accelerator. The biggest question mark >>>would be the lead target chemistry and the on-line processing of all >>>the elements being incinerated. >> >>Paul, quite frankly I'll believe that this is really going to work on >>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple >>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end, >>plus be able to run it off its own residual power. Sounds almost like >>perpetual motion, doesn't it? >Fred, the honest thing to do would be to admit your criticism on >scientific grounds was invalid, rather than pretend you were actually >talking about engineering feasibility. Given you postings, I can't >say I am surprised, though. Well, pardon me for trying to continue the discussion rather than just tugging my forelock in dismay at having not considered actually trying to recover the energy from this process (which is at least trying to go the 'right' way on the energy curve). Now, where *did* I put those sackcloth and ashes? [I was not and am not 'pretending' anything; I am *so* pleased you are not surprised, though.] >No, it is nothing like perpetual motion. Note that I didn't say it was perpetual motion, or even that it sounded like perpetual motion; the phrase was ""sounds almost like perpetual motion"", which I, at least, consider a somewhat different propposition than the one you elect to criticize. Perhaps I should beg your pardon for being *too* precise in my use of language? >The physics is well >understood; the energy comes from fission of actinides in subcritical >assemblies. Folks have talked about spallation reactors since the >1950s. Pulsed spallation neutron sources are in use today as research >tools. Accelerator design has been improving, particularly with >superconducting accelerating cavities, which helps feasibility. Los >Alamos has expertise in high current accelerators (LAMPF), so I >believe they know what they are talking about. I will believe that this process comes even close to approaching technological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the trash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of separating things first and having a different 'run' for each actinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull (relatively) clean material out the other. Once the costs, technological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this one with the idea of throwing waste into the sun. Sure, it's possible and the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable approach? And I still wonder at what sort of 'burning' rate you could get with something like this, as opposed to what kind of energy you would really recover as opposed to what it would cost to build and power with and without the energy recovery. Are we talking ounces, pounds, or tons (grams, kilograms, or metric tons, for you SI fans) of material and are we talking days, weeks, months, or years (days, weeks, months or years, for you SI fans -- hmmm, still using a non-decimated time scale, I see ;-))? >The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being >built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is >still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks >technically reasonable. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 120,11,"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 24 |> The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to |> the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct |> lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure |> law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General |> shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture |> Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. This is the one part that really scares me. Without the keys, it can likely be determined if a person is using the ""State Approved"" encryption method, and if not then that persons life is forfet, and the profits go to making more busts, and more profit. ""Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Human nature has not changed very much in only a few hundred years.... --- Curt Howland howland@nsipo.nasa.gov NSI Operations Center NASA Ames (800) 424-9920 " 121,6,"From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim) Subject: Terminal forsale Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 1 " 122,11,"From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: What is going on?... Lines: 17 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Distribution: inet In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: ... > If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". > In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked about a month ao and was told RSN. Several have also asked which of Chomskys books. My answer is ALL of them, and anything else you can get as well. How ever, due to irritations like the 24 hr day etc, I would say 'Manafacturing Conscent' first, them th last parts of 'Detering Democracy' ie the bits about the ""domestic 3rd world"". Chilling. Anyone at MIT have a good St. Noam bibliography? ~Paul " 123,9,"From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.) Subject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL? Organization: University of Houston Lines: 51 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes... >In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >>WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES??? >>THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE. >>THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! > >I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)! They ARE going PLACES - >San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami, >Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and >points in between. :-) > >But, >THEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME! But, THEY FACED THE PHILLIES -- A TEAM THAT GOT OFF TO AN 8-1 START. > >I'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan. I really shouldn't >discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK! (But, get ahold of that shift >key, will ya?) > >ObBase: Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly >like excuses. An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - ""If you >read it here, it was somewhere else first"") said that he wouldn't take >injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been >accounted for. Uh, oh. I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on >edge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows? Does To be honest, I think the city of Houston loves the new owner. He has brought baseball back to Houston with key acquisitions -- players that were from the Houston area and wanted to play for the Astros. I don't think that too many people are fearful that McLane will meddle in the team as he has already admitted that he doesn't know a whole lot about baseball. McLane is a businessman, and doesn't like excuses. He makes a valid point that injuries shouldn't be an excuse to this club. Look at the depth of the bench this season.. Canadele can play 7 positions; Bass and James are solid outfielders and can hit well too; Uribe is nice to have as well.. The pitching staff has 6 legitimate starters. We're dealing with a young Houston team, so injuries shouldn't play a big role. The only threat is the bullpen -- if Jonesy goes out, we may be in trouble but with the type of starters we have this season, there is less pressure on the pen. --- --- --- --- --- --- David S. Schwam University of Houston st1rp@jetson.uh.edu --- --- --- --- --- --- " 124,3,"From: kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) Subject: Comments on an accelerated Video Card for ISA bus Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu Hi, I am looking to buy an accelerated video card for my 486 DX 50 with ISA bus. I have a 14"" SVGA NI monitor. I'm currently running DOS 5.0 and windows 3.1, although I'm considering OS/2 in the future. Can anyone make a suggestion for a video card that would suit my needs? How is Diamond speedstar? Stealth? Etc.... Thanks. --Kent " 125,8,"From: marty@misty.ca.boeing.com (marty capadona) Subject: Data Logging? Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support Lines: 19 Greetings: Can someone steer me towards sources of information on vehicle data logging systems? In particular, I would like to build/buy (or a little of both) a system that is small enough to fit on a motorcycle and will take input from various sensors (pressure, LVDT's, acceleration, RPM, O2 sensor...), digitize and record it for later analysis. Please email me any info. If I get anything interesting, I'll compile it and get it on the net. Thanks. _______________________________________________________________________ marty capadona marty@carter.ca.boeing.com seattle, wa 82 gpz750, 82 gs1100, 88 hawk gt, 90 gs500 ama, msf, wmrra, omrra... Forget what I said. _______________________________________________________________________ " 126,1,"From: ehgasm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Marshall) Subject: How do I compensate for photographic viewpoint and distortion? Reply-To: S.Marshall@dcs.hull.ac.uk Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England Lines: 42 Hi to all out there. We have this problem, and I'm not certain I'm solving it in the correct way. I was wondering if anyone can shed light on this, or point me in the right place to look... We have an X-ray imaging camera and a metallic tube with a cylindrical hole passing through it at a right angle to the tube's axis: | || [ image | X-ray source ] || | screen metallic || tube | || | | We know source--screen centre distance, radius of the tube, radius of the hole. We do some calculations based on the image of the hole on the screen. However, the calculations are mathematically highly complex, and must assume that the object's hole projects an image (resembling an ellipse if the tube is not parallel to the screen) in the centre of the screen. However, it is unlikely that the object is placed so conveniently. Firstly, we must transform the major and minor axis of the ellipse. I cannot know what the angle between the tube and screen is. Do I have to assume that they are parallel to do the transformation? How do I do this transformation? Secondly, there is a distortion of the image due to the screen being planar (the source--screen distance increases as we move away from the centre of the screen). How can I compensate the ellipse's axis for this image distortion? So, please can anyone give us a few pointers here? How do we transform the image so it appears as it would if it were in the centre of the screen, and how do I deal with distortion due to the shape of the screen? We'd appreciate any help, either posted or emailed. Thanks in advance, Simon. -- Simon Marshall, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Hull, Hull HU6 7RX, UK ""Football isn't about life and death. It's more important than that."" Bill Email: S.Marshall@cs.hull.ac.uk Phone: +44 482 465951 Fax: 466666 Shankley " 127,8,"From: craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 24 cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes: > Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the > the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one? > (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one) > > Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM. It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find accesssories for. -Craig. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | VF1000R Intecptor Pilot | craig@cellar.org | The Institute | | DoD #13013 |------------------| (215)-356-2543 | | KotK (Keeper of the Keepers) | | 3/12/24/9600 Bauds | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- /\ FUSCHAL: THE PROMISED LAND. Where those who have faith shall wear >==/ \==> hats of great majesty, yea, though they be made of cardboard and /____\ have humourous arrows through them. (Red Dwarf) " 128,14,"From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? In-Reply-To: gene@theporch.raider.net's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 19:29:40 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 32 In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. And with $1B on offer, the problem of ""keeping them alive"" is highly likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! ""Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents."" ""Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've got a tank! Man the guns!"" One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that sort of environment..... Greg. (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk proposition.) -- Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John ""Iron Bar"" Mackin.) " 129,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: What's so bad about the new playoff format? Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Distribution: na Lines: 23 In article <115330@bu.edu> icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: > > What's so bad about the new playoff format? Do you really believe teams >that finish fourth in their div. deserve to be in the playoffs? >With the new format, you have more of a chance to see more teams. Do you >really want to see the Bruins against the Sabres umpteen times or would >you rather see the Bruins and the Capitals in the secound round of playoffs? There is really nothing inherently wrong with it but they tried it just a little over a decade ago, and noone showed up for the early rounds in the playoffs...whereas soon after they went to the divisional set-up arenas were mostly filled in the early rounds. The empirical evidence of the last two decades is that more people will show up to see the Bruins play the Sabre umpteen times than see the Bruins play the Captials in the first round. Maybe hockey has increased in popularity sufficiently that this will no longer be the case. The experiment is worthwhile with the uneven distribution of the expansion teams, but I prefer the divisional playoff. Gerald " 130,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: First, I'll make the assumption that you agree that a murderer is one >who has commited murder. Well, I'd say that a murderer is one who intentionally committed a murder. For instance, if you put a bullet into a gun that was thought to contain blanks, and someone was killed with such a gun, the person who actually performed the action isn't the murderer (but I guess this is actually made clear in the below definition). >I'd be interested to see a more reasonable definition. What do you mean by ""reasonable?"" >Otherwise, your inductive definition doesn't bottom out: >Your definition, in essence, is that >>Murder is the intentional killing of someone who has not commited >>murder, against his will. >Expanding the second occurence of `murder' in the above, we see that [...] Yes, it is bad to include the word being defined in the definition. But, even though the series is recursively infinite, I think the meaning can still be deduced. >I assume you can see the problem here. To do a correct inductive >definition, you must define something in terms of a simpler case, and >you must have one or several ""bottoming out"" cases. For instance, we >can define the factorial function (the function which assigns to a >positive integer the product of the positive integers less than or >equal to it) on the positive integers inductively as follows: [math lesson deleted] Okay, let's look at this situation: suppose there is a longstanding feud between two families which claim that the other committed some travesty in the distant past. Each time a member of the one family kills a member of the other, the other family thinks that it is justified in killing a that member of the first family. Now, let's suppose that this sequence has occurred an infinite number of times. Or, if you don't like dealing with infinities, suppose that one member of the family goes back into time and essentially begins the whole thing. That is, there is a never-ending loop of slayings based on some non-existent travesty. How do you resolve this? Well, they are all murders. Now, I suppose that this isn't totally applicable to your ""problem,"" but it still is possible to reduce an uninduced system. And, in any case, the nested ""murderer"" in the definition of murder cannot be infintely recursive, given the finite existence of humanity. And, a murder cannot be committed without a killing involved. So, the first person to intentionally cause someone to get killed is necessarily a murderer. Is this enough of an induction to solve the apparently unreducable definition? See, in a totally objective system where all the information is available, such a nested definition isn't really a problem. keith " 131,15,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 25 In whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes: >Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should check >out: > Romans 1:27 > I Corinthians 6:9 > I Timothy 1:10 > Jude 1:7 > II Peter 2:6-9 > Gen. 19 > Lev 18:22 >(to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality) Homosexual Christians have indeed ""checked out"" these verses. Some of them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations. Others simply do not address the issues. You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that you stop ""proof-texting"" about things you know nothing about. -- Michael L. Siemon I say ""You are gods, sons of the mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless - or - you shall die like men, and fall mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince."" Psalm 82:6-7 " 132,6,"From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: NIKKOR 70-210 AF forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 4 Nikkor AF 70-210 f/4-5.6 zoom lens. Excellent condition. I'm looking to get the 2.8 version so I'm selling this. Asking $175 No offers please. " 133,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > >> in Texas. > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 134,12,"From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Food Dehydrators Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Distribution: usa Lines: 9 Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat, or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at? My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old? John " 135,16,"From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu In article guy@idacom.hp.com (Guy M. Trotter) writes: > >Hi, > >In Canada, any gun that enters a National Park must be sealed (I think it's a >small metal tag that's placed over the trigger). The net result of this is >that you _can't_ use a gun to protect yourself from bears (or psychos) in the >National Parks. Instead, one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances >of hiking in bear country, and take the appropriate precautions. > >I think this policy makes the users of the National Parks feel a little closer >to Nature, that they are a part of Nature and, as such, have to deal with >nature on it's own terms. > >Guy Hello, I understand this philosophy. The bears are a national treasure, the area is their sanctuary and people who enter it do so at their own risk. It is better that that rare human be killed by a bear than that bears be provoked or shot by unbear-savvy visitors. The bears aren't having a population explosion, humans are so it is better that a human be killed than endanger the bears. I don't agree with this philosopy, but I understand it. The psychos are a bit different. They are not a national treasure but I suppose the decision has been made that to ""allow"" provision for defense against them would also ""allow"" provision for defense against bears. Again, I suppose it has been decided that it is better for the rare human to be killed by a psycho than to take a chance on threatening the bears. Personally, I wouldn't go into an area where I would be ""managed"" so as to reduce my safety ..... but ... come to think of it I guess I live in a managed wilderness myself :-) Joan V " 136,0,"From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 28 In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >>from subjective values, before we go any further. > >Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All >of which is subjective. [rest deleted...] You were a liberal arts major, weren'tcha? Guess you never saw that photo of the smallest logo in the world-- ""IBM"" made with noble gas atoms (krypton? xenon? I forget the specifics). Atoms, trees, electrons are all independently observable and verifiable. Morals aren't. See the difference? Tep -- Men who love brown tend to be warm and deep, sensitive to the needs and desires of their partners. Sex is a 24 hour a day thing. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or catching snowflakes on their tongue is a real turn-on to a lover of brown. (thanx becka!) " 137,7,"From: kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) Subject: Re: Integra GSR (really about other cars) Reply-To: kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 13 It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and out- accelerate an Integra. But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars have a moonroof with a sliding sunshade? No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power sliding roofs that are opaque. A moonroof that can be opened to the air, closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in. You've just got to know what's important :^). -Doug '93 Integra GS " 138,3,"From: sundboe@bgibm1.nho.hydro.com (Terje Thoegersen) Subject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM Organization: Norsk Hydro a.s Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: hktth@nho.hydro.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bgibm1.nho.hydro.com In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes: |> Hi! |> I recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B |> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It |> works very well under OS/2, so I know that the drive is not faulty. |> In my config.sys, I have aspi3dos.sys, aspidisk.sys, aspicd.sys. In my |> autoexec.bat, I have MSCDEX, which came with DOS 6.0. MSCDEX seems to find |> and install the drive as drive F:, but when I switch to that drive and try a |> dir, I get an error message telling me the drive is not ready or something |> like that. The CDROM is locked too, and the adaptec utilities don't seem to |> recognize that I have a CDROM at that point. |> Has anyone ever had this problem? Is there something abvious that I |> am missing? And finally, I was wondering if anyone using this setup could |> kindly post his/her config.sys and autoexec.bat. |> Hi! One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it's the ASPICD) supports a /NORST paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh 3401. Regards, -Terje " 139,5,"From: dev@hollywood.acsc.com () Subject: Circular Motif Widgets Organization: ACSC, Inc. Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hollywood.acsc.com Will there be any support for round or circular widgets in Motif's next release?. I'd love to have a circular knob widget which could be used instead of a slider. Cheers! DM " 140,18,"Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, 3/23 From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) > <1pklht$krf@genesis.MCS.COM> <1pprtvINNctl@aludra.usc.edu> <1pqfbd$e6b@genesis.MCS.COM> Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Lines: 47 arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >In article <1pprtvINNctl@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes: >>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >> >>>In article <1993Apr1.164804.1105@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@k2 (Scott Babb) writes: >>>>Jack Schmidling (arf@genesis.MCS.COM) wrote: >>>>: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (Jonathan A. Cook ) writes: >>>>: : >> >>[...] >> >>>>Why do you restrict your condemnation of racial strife to Israel? >>>>Do the situations in Bosnia, Tibet, China, etc. not merit your comment? >> >>>As far as I am aware, we have not sent close to $100 billion dollars to >> ^^^ >> Let's not exaggerate. >I notice you did not offer an alternative number. Try this one on for >size..... by the year 2000, American taxpayers will have given Israel >one dollar for every star in the Milky Way Galaxy. >I will let you look up the number. OK, I admit I have no hard data on this. Why don't you help me with this? If you would compile a commented list of all grants, un-repaid loans (if any), and direct aid, I'd be very interested to see it. If you could give me references from, for example, Congressional Budget Authorization Hearings, I could look them up here and I'd be happy to post a verification of your data. Otherwise, I'll try my hand at this, but unfortunately I won't have sufficient time available until the end of this month, so the results would be delayed. Let me know if you're interested in doing this. ___Samuel___ Mossad Special Agent ID314159 Media Spiking and Mind Control Division Los Angeles Offices -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. " 141,19,"From: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: the Polyhedron Group Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-1.uoregon.edu In article , joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote: > > > In article > Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes: > LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions. josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument? Love to,but I must do it a bit later My copy of Harrison in packed, but the last chapter as best as I can rember deals with Orphic mysteries and their views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly implyed that the Christian view was drawn heavly from the Orphic and other Major cults of the time. Pegasus " 142,7,"From: rhorwell@crab.network-a (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 19 In article 1EL@targhee.idaho.amdahl.com, rbs@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.173712.23250@cas.org>, sdm24@cas.org () writes: >> IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the >> dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise >> control/bun warmer, etc. > >Well, my 1973 Porsche had the dimmer on the turn signal stalk. Guess those >dumb Germans were copying the Japanese too. :-) > >[rest deleted] >> -- Not to mention my friend's '54 Citroen Traction Avant with the light switch and dimmer integrated in a single stalk off the steering column! Those dumb French were apparently copying the Japanese before the Germans! :^) Roland " 143,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 66 In article <18APR93.25909598.0086@VM1.MCGILL.CA> JBE5 writes: >Aargh! > >Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. >He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques. >The Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself, >was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords >get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!! No. Patrick Roy is the reason the game was lost, and Ron Hextall is the reason Quebec won. Everybody said it would come down to goaltending, that goaltending was the key, etc etc. Well, the key doesn't quite fit if you're Montreal. The Dionne penalty was kind of a cheesy call, but let's face it; he literally left his feet to throw an elbow. Blaming Stewart is just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that Roy allowed what was one of the worst goals he could possibly allow. He even saw the whole shot, dammit. Besides, Stewart evened things up a bit by calling a Quebec penalty in OT. Montreal played a solid game (although they still don't know how to clear traffic in front of the net; the loss of Schneider will hurt even more). Normally I would say that any team that blows a 2-goal lead with less than five, let alone two, minutes to go in regulation time IN A PLAYOFF GAME ESPECIALLY needs to be smacked upside their collective heads. But I don't think this was a team loss (although Keane should have been able to clear the zone just prior to the first Quebec goal). Roy is paid big money to play. He looked like a player in an industrial league on Sakic's shot. Demers should start Racicot in the next game. If not that, he should let the damn team read the papers for the next day or two....and maybe this article, if possible. >Patrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and >on his knees for the rest of the night. The winning goal shouldn't have >gone in. I didn't think the wrap-around was as bad as the second goal. I also didn't think Scott Young should have gotten around the defender (can't remember who) in the first place. But you are correct, it shouldn't have gone in regardless. >Oh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--) Yep. Moog looked bad on Mogilny's goal with five seconds left in the second, IMO. How about Neely though? Holy shit, what a player. Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate. I haven't seen a team so potent on the rush in a long time. Watching them break out of their zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch. They remind me of the Red Army. But I still hate the team. On the rest of the games: Didn't St. Louis' winning goal come on a powerplay? Penalties will cost Chicago dearly, especially against Detroit. Same goes for Calgary; very, very undisciplined. When Marty McSorely is waving guys to the bench to *avoid* fights, you know something's up. New Jersey was overmatched, Terreri's heroics notwithstanding. Mario is unbelievable, and Jagr for some reason shows up in the playoffs. But I hate that team anyway. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan) " 144,5,"To: gnu-gdb-bug@gatech.edu Distribution: world From: deepak@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Deepak Mulchandani) Subject: Help in developing a X-Windows interface for GDB Organization: Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector Lines: 39 Hi, I am trying to write an X-windows based interface that runs on top of GDB. Could anyone help me in understanding the way we are supposed to ""fork"" GDB off as a subprocess ?? I currently use pipes but when I try and debug this program, the following happens : PROGRAM : main() { int x; printf(""enter x : ""); scanf(""%d"", &x); printf(""x = .%d.\n"", x ); } OUTPUT : The program hangs without returning the output of the printf statement. When I type in a value (like 5), then all the printf's output comes out at one time. Is there any other way, besides using PIPES to do this i.e., like ioctl or something else ?? Thanks, Deepak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deepak Mulchandani Advanced Products Research and Development Laboratory Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector Austin, TX (512) 928-7642 deepak@inxs.sps.mot.com " 145,2,"From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) Subject: Diamond Speedstar 24X Driver Bug? Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. Keywords: Speedstar Lines: 23 Since swapping out my generic VGA card for a Diamod Speedstar 24X, I have noticed two new problems: * if I create a windowed MS-DOS session (386 mode), when the text starts to scroll, rather than printing characters it starts to print horizontal lines that spill out to the desktop and trash the entire display. Ctrl-alt-del terminates the dos window and restores the desktop * after a short time in NCD's PC X-remote for windows, all characters displayed on the desktop are changed to be unreadable; I am unable to restore without rebooting. These are in both 256 and 16 color 800x600 drivers, large and small fonts. DOS 5, Win 3.1, emm386 and smartdrv installed. I like the speed of the card and have had no other problems. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice) 4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax) Arden Hills, MN 55126 " 146,2,"From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: Hhy won't my DOS apps run in a window?! Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 8 In article <735417915snz@sigma.demon.co.uk> jason@sigma.demon.co.uk writes: >Can somebody help me out there? I have just purchased Win 3.1 and I just >can't get DOS apps (text mode apps) to run in a window on their own. I've >tried mucking around with the PIF settings etc, but to no avail. What am >I doing wrong? (I didn't get this problem under v3.0). > Are you sure you're running in 386-enhanced mode? (Windows 3.1 takes more memory...) " 147,4,"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Best frontplate for SyQuest in IIvi/IIvx/C650? Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-7.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 11 Could someone tell me how to make/find/get the best frontplate for IIvi/IIvx/C650 with internal SyQuest drive? Is there one available or do I have to make one from the original or CD-ROM one or scratch? Every suggestion welcome. -- Jartsu " 148,10,"From: kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin D Frank) Subject: NHL Team Items... Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 17 I live in the desolate MidWest (as far as hockey is concerned) and our ""sports"" stores around here carry VERY LITTLE hockey stuff, except for San Jose, Tampa Bay, L.A., Pittsburgh, and if you're lucky Chicago. I would like to know if anyone knows of any m,ail order, phone order stores that I might be able to get in contact with. I am dying for some real hockey stuff (hats, shirts, key chains, etc.) for some other teams (Edmonton, Montreal, etc.) so if you have any information, PLEASE e-mail me DIRECTLY. Most appreciated! Good luck to your teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs! GO EDMONTON (likely...NOT!!) Maybe next year... -- ""If you assult someone you get 5 years--In hockey, 5 minutes. Is this a great sport or what?!"" Kevin D. Frank kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 149,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Lines: 24 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > >In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device >to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets >must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) > Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice. Absolutely. I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has ever been given approval. Guerrilla underground devices should be well possible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis modems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers) Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? G " 150,17,"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20 Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: Totally Unbiased Magazine Lines: 134 In article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM>, arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: > > NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993 > > Not because you were too busy but because > Israelists in the US media spiked it. > > ................ > > > THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS > > > Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip > during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the > Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday. > > The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of > the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for > Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and > occupied West Bank. > > Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked > soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.'' When the girls fled, > the soldiers threw empty bottles at them. > > On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their > pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents > are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school. > > The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth > escaped from them at a boys' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur > Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them > against a wall, and put their arms around them. > > When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat > him with the butts of their rifles. > > On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising > Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the > soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the > beating. > > On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded > him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As > the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued > dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening. > > The army said it was checking the reports. > > .................... > > > ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM > > Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday > to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper. > > Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in > prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after > soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter. > > ``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy > Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,'' said Father > George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish. > > Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of > Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank > and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre. > > Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation > of requesting permits to reach holy sites. > > Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement > to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian > celebrations. > > ``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption. > But we cannot reach our holiest sites,'' he said. > > An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf's speech, demanding to see his > identity card before ordering the crowd to leave. > > ................... > > > > If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and > let him know what you think. > > > 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe) > clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online) > clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail) > > > Tell 'em ARF sent ya. > > .................................. > > If you are tired of ""learning"" about American foreign policy from what is > effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the > Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American > Education Trust at: > (800) 368 5788 > > Tell 'em arf sent you. > > js > > > I took your advice and ordered a copy of the Washinton Report. I heartily recommend it to all pro-Israel types for the following reasons: 1. It is an excellent absorber of excrement. I use it to line the bottom of my parakeet's cage. A negative side effect is that my bird now has a somewhat warped view of the mideast. 2. It makes a great April Fool's joke, i.e., give it to someone who knows nothing about the middle east and then say ""April Fools"". Anyway, I plan to call them up every month just to keep getting those free sample magazines (you know how cheap we Jews are). BTW, when you call them, tell 'em barf sent you. Just Kidding, Ben. " 151,11,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 50 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article > tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >> >>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) >> > > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. > > Surely the hypothesis relying on the least wild assumptions is >to take this at face value. Our lads at the fort were asked to cook up >something that's pretty secure, with a key that can be escrowed neatly, >and they did. The government plans to sell this thing, for the reasons >they state. Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're >gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone >calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just >get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head. > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. > This is pretty clearly an effort by the government to do exactly >what they're saying they're doing. As is typical with governments, >it's mismanaged, and full of holes and compromises. As is typical >with our government, it's not too bad, could be worse. > > My interpretation. > > Andrew > >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Isn't this just a little melodramatic? If the new regime comes to fruition, make sure you protect your First Amendment rights by asserting your Second Amendment Rights. Doug Holland " 152,18,"From: hampton@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Kevin Podsiadlik) Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu In article <2671@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes: >shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes: >: >: Oh, and BTW, its William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. > >No, it's not- and I really fail to understand the use of that name >as an insult. Do you feel that being adopted implies some sort of >moral failing? No, it's a sign of aristocrtic out-of-touchness with the middle class. You ask George Herbert Walker Bush about that. And that's not his full name? What, then, is it? --- ""Even Quayle had his honeymoon period. It lasted a full 48 hours after he was chosen as Bush's running mate."" -- Kevin J. Podsiadlik | Vaporware Engineer 2nd class | ""This 'contribution' the President wants E-mail: hampton@ais.org | us to make... is it tax deductible?"" CompuServe: 71460,3602 | -- Larry Wright " 153,0,"Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 26 In article <2942881697.0.p00168@psilink.com> p00168@psilink.com (James F. Tims) writes: > >By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we >place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than >we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error. > I answer from the position that we would indeed place these people in prison for life. That depends not only on their predisposition towards murder, but also in their success rate at escape and therefore their ability to commit the same crimes again. In other words, if lifetime imprisonment doesn't work, perhaps it's not because we're not executing these people, but because we're not being careful enough about how we lock them up. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 154,2,"From: Sebastian_Beer@lippebox.fido.de (Sebastian Beer) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor X-Comment-To: (Don A.b. Lindbergh) Organization: Lines: 20 X-Gateway: FIDOGATE 2.4 Don A.B. Lindbergh meinte am 15.04.93 zum Thema ""Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor"": DA> Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 DA> driver? Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the DA> menus) but it's a recently delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the DA> latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered if anyone else had seen this. No not at all. I'm using SS24X with BIOS 2.03 and driver from 13. Januar '93. I've never had any problems with the mouse cursor. Is there already a newer driver published? Greetings Sebastian Beer GIMME GUMMI - lass die Sau raus " 155,10,"From: jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Subject: Blackhawks win!!! Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 10 The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against the Wings. Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!! GO HAWKS!!! JB " 156,6,"From: nasa@suns.chinalake.navy.mil (Chris Adam Thomas) Subject: 1964 Ford Galaxy - Original Owner - 56914 miles - California Car Organization: TnA Research Lines: 12 I'm posting this for my Mom and Dad's neighbor. Please contact her directly. For Sale 1964 Ford Galaxy 500, 4 door, 390 cid engine, automatic, lt blue 56914 miles (YES that is correct. It was her 2nd car). Original owner. Alway garaged. California inland valley car - NO rust. Paint good - original interior good. Professionally maintained. Everything in good shape except gas gauge doesn't work. All original except a ""3rd brake light"" added :-( $4000 Call (916)451-3761 " 157,7,"From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen) Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50 Article-I.D.: morrow.1psg9cINNn86 Distribution: world Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: mordor.stanford.edu In article jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy/John F. Gladu) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.130550.13550@cs.tulane.edu>, >finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) wrote: >> >> As an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively >> in the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus, >> 70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI. I've never had an oil-related >> problem. > >Add mine to that list: '71,'72 SuperBeetles; '68,'69 Bugs; '61 dddPanel; >(cringe) '87 Toyota Tercel (It's my WIFE's car, honest:-). I'm still >chicken about running it in the '90 Vanagon - that's got Castrol 10W40 in >it. I don't understand this last statement about the '90Vanagon...Our '90Vanagon Owner's Manual RECOMMENDS 20W50 !! Ari Ollikainen(former VW fanatic: 62Bug, 62Bug+Porschepower, 64.5Porsche356SC, 68BugAuto-Stick, 69Camper, 71Camper, 73Westfalia, 73VWPorsche914/2.0, 81Westfalia, 85Vanagon, 85Westfalia...and now only 90VanagonCarat) " 158,6,"From: lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lance Gibb) Subject: RC Car for trade Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: na Lines: 30 Title just 'bout says it all: Grasshopper Remote Controlled Car for Sale/Trade Features: -$75 racing engine installed (original included as well) -2 sets of tires -Futaba 2 channel radio with servos/receiver -body completly refinished - great shape -Battery and charger -every thing you need to have it running right out of the box, VERY fast -everything 100% I haven't run this thing in a long time. I had it out the other day just to check on it and everything is A-OK. I'd listen to ANY cash offers, but am more interested in trading for some extra storage for my computer. If you have any of the following and are interested in a trade, drop me a line: IDE hard drive 50+ megs (MUST be 3.5"" wide, 1"" tall) SCSI hard drive 50+ megs (MUST be 3.5"" wide, 1"" tall) SCSI tape backup (any make/size) SCSI CD-ROM 9600 baud modem (external) Please leave any offers/questions in Email to lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu " 159,16,"From: mech24135045@msuvx2.memst.edu Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Distribution: world Organization: Memphis State University Lines: 49 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all > the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The > lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear > gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. > ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that > the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit > napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. Well, actually, the Davidians (Koreshians?) started the fire themselves, the last I heard ( around 15:00 EST). Eight people ran out into the feilds surrounding the compound. All were captured and two admitted to setting the fire. I don't buy your napalm theory at all (although it would have made a great commercial for my .sig). Why the hell would they have a wood stove burning on such a warm day? Flame throwers use liquid petroleum, napalm is more of a gel. Now to further dispute your theory, the diluted CS gas was inserted around 06:00 if I understood correctly. The place didn't start burning until around 10:00 or 11:00. > THIS IS MURDER! ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see > it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was > still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left > alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. Calm down kid. Vernon (Koresh's real name) said himself that he would not leave that compound alive. The inhabitants thereof had accepted the fact that they may very well have to kill themselves before it was all over. > I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! There are at least eight survivors. A caller on Rush Limbaugh today suggested that the rest may even be hiding in underground bunkers. That's not such a wild idea considering their weaponry and resolve. > God help us all. > PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE > CHILDREN! > W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. Sheesh! Get over it. I haven't heard (read) such ranting since the Hindenberg burned. This should have ended 50 days ago. I'm glad my tax dollars have finally stopped working to pay a bunch of guys to stand around and give press conferences. Now they can get back to more important things, like catching cigarrette smugglers. Troy Napalm sticks to kids. " 160,5,"From: rao@cse.uta.edu (Rao Venkatesh Simha) Subject: xrn, xarchie for HP 9000/730 - ASAP Nntp-Posting-Host: cse.uta.edu Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 10 Hi, I need xrn and xarchie for the HP's (9000/730, version 8 OS), either in the source form or, (preferably) in executable form. Please suggest where I can find this, Send e-mail to: rao@cse.uta.edu Thanks in advance, Rao. -- SSC " 161,18,"From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) Subject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.052552.18045 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu In article <1993Apr6.043935.27366@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >> >>I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US >>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single >>act should never merit more than on charge. > >So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with >more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property >damage? After all, the bomb was a single act. > >ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though Again, Mr. Frank has come to the rescue with his cool headed reason. How about, ""One charge per victim?"" Of course I'll think about it in a few days and find a case where this doesn't apply either. What the heck, I don't study law, I just hate lawyers. :) -- Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf Northwestern University, ACNS | according to the rules of Centrifugal This University is too Commie- | Bumblepuppy. -Huxley, Brave New World Lib Pinko to have these views. | dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu " 162,1,"From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman) Subject: Re: 3D2 files - what are they? Article-I.D.: shelley.1rft1nINNc7s Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes: >I was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio >meshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found >a few files with the extension 3D2. My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type >of file, so what are they? They are 3D object files for CAD 3D 2.0, a program written by Tom Hudson for the Atari ST computers. Don't know much more about them except that they are stored with the points first, then the surfaces are next, and are made by listing 3 point numbers that make up the triangle surface. Then there's a header that describes coloring, lighting, etc. Don't know much more than this, hope this helps. Stuart Denman stusoft@u.washington.edu " 163,2,"From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks... Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 30 In article <1rhm0j$6cg@agate.berkeley.edu> nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel;;;;RC38) writes: >In article ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) writes: >>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes: > >>>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive.. >>>Don't laugh ... I am serious... >>>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of, >>>please mail me ... >> >>>-- Nilay Patel >>>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu > >>You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you >>were looking for the old 8"" or the newer 5.25"". > >Well...I need the old 8"" disks ... You are right, disks is a better word, >but they are so big and calling them disks is kind of funny ... but the >appropriate word is disks ... Gee, I remember the old 8"" FLOPPY disks we used on an S-100 CP/M system back in high school. Not to mention those old 24"" multi-platter disk packs that held about 15MB that went in the big washing machine drives at the local college I took some programming classes at. And this was even in the early '80's.... Tom paladin@world.std.com ""A disk is a disk, no matter how great or how small..."" paraphrasing Gulliver's Travels " 164,5,"From: neal@grover.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal) Subject: Wierd xdm behavior Organization: U. Washington Dept. of Statistics Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.stat.washington.edu Originator: neal@grover.stat.washington.edu Dear sun and windows people, I am running sun workstations with SunOs 4.1.1 and vanilla X11 R5. I have a bunch of xterminals as well. Today I had my xdm fail. At about 9:30 it was impossible to login to a host from an xterminal. The message was the ""xdm too many retransmissions"". In my xdm-errors file I had the following entries: >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: >256 >error (pid 7927): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be >secured >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: > >I also had: > >error (pid 7457): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be >secured >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: >256 >error (pid 7462): WARNING: keyboard on display :0 could not be >secured >error (pid 7423): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: >256 Also, at the console, the login box would come up for about 2 seconds and then it would go away. It would do this continuously. I could login from another workstation to the hosts in question, however, I could not login on the console. I tried killing xdm and restarting it but that didn't help. I finally rebooted all the hosts. (Which hurts when done in the middle of the day). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22 University of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA | 206-685-1627 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ""Look, another bit!"" -- Repo Man (the movie) " 165,2,"From: bsmith@access.digex.com (Barry Smith) Subject: Program Manager kills my Group files! Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Any clue? Some times when I enter Win 3.1 ProgMan says that I need to rebuild a group! It's quite annoying! " 166,2,"From: dbarker@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Deryk Barker) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 47 leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: : In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: : >In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: : >> : >>Dear friend, : >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has : >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase : >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about : >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. : > : >hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember : >reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. : >The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not : >as orthogonal is CISC. The original RISCs had small instruction sets, and simple ones. The idea was that a) every instruction should be completable in a single clock cycle and b) to have no microcode and c) extensive pipelines. A few comparisons (from Patterson: Reduced Instruction set computers. CACM V28. 1, 1985): CPU Year Instructions Microcode --- ---- ------------ --------- IBM 370/168 1973 208 420Kb DEC VAX 11/780 1978 303 480Kb IBM 801 1980 120 0 UCB RISC 1 1982 39 0 Stanford MIPS 1983 55 0 While researching for the VLSI VAX, DEC discovered that 60% of the VAX microcode is there to support 20% of the instruction set which accounted for a mere 0.2% of all instructions executed. The uVAX 32 subsetted the architecture onto a single chip and used a software emulator for these very complex instructions, the full VLSI uVAX included the entire instruction set, was 5-10 times more copmlex but only ranm 20% faster. CPU Chips Microcode Transistors --- ----- --------- ----------- uVAX 32 2 64K 101K VLSI uVAX 9 480K 1250K -- Real: Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept., Camosun College, Victoria B.C. Email: (dbarker@camosun.bc.ca) Phone: +1 604 370 4452 " 167,5,"From: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV (Nancie P. Marin) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question Organization: The Internet Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu In article buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write >In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: >> Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics >> don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your >> rectangle? > >Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains >Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item >to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() >(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new >item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care >of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the >Window is mapped. > >The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window >is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so >that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? > What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously stated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen just to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT a problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not working!!! Does anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that XCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful! Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Nancie P. Marin NET: nancie@neko.css.gov ENSCO Inc. MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct. Melbourne, Fl. 32940 (407)254-4122 FAX: (407)254-3293 ---------------------------------------------------------------- " 168,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 24 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. Stankiewicz? I doubt it. Koufax was one of two Jewish HOFs: the other is Hank Greenberg. Other good players: Buddy Myer, Johnny Kling, Norm and Larry Sherry, Ken Holtzman, Saul Rogovin, Ed Reulbach. There have been over 150 Jewish major leaguers. A few years ago there was an article about someone who keeps track of this in Spy magazine; the article was entitled ""Jews on First,"" of course. There have also been at least two books on the subject. Roger " 169,3,"From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee) Subject: S3 86c805 w/2MB = 1024x768x32k colors = Orchid Pipe Dream? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu Hi I have an Orchid Fahrenheit VLB with 2MB of DRAM. It is an S3 86c805 based card. I had a problem for a while after installing my second meg of DRAM for the video, and thanks to Orchid, I got a fix from their tech support (it was jumper settings not given in the ordinary manual. I assume it would come with memory ordered from them, so I guess I should be glad they didn't just say ""Buy the memory from us"" or something like that.) The one thing that I was puzzled by was why there was not a 1024x768x32k color mode on the thing, either in full screen or enlarged desktop mode. My ATI Ultra Plus can handle that, given 2MB of memory. All the 2MB buys you on the Fahrenheit is 1280x1024x256. Just ONE more mode. GEEZ. Had I known, I wouldn't have bothered. I asked them why, and all I got was ""Your point is well taken, but Orchid's software developers are busy with other projects."" So, to get to the point, finally, ARE there any s3 86c805 drivers out there that can handle high res hicolor modes? I'd love to get another card, but perhaps it will have to wait until the next generation of cards comes out, since this card came bundled with my system and it's not so easy to exchange these things unless they're broken. If you want these modes, steer away from Orchids s3 86c805 cards (ie. VLB or VA/VLB), at least until their developers are ""less busy"". If the magazines are to believed, I've only seen one s3 86c805 product thus far which can handle 1024x768x32k color (Genoa?), although evenn that might be a misprint. Please, if there are generic or semi-generic drivers out there, let me know where I can get them. 800x600x32k is OK, but I coulda gotten that with my ATI VGA Wonder XL. Thanks. donyee@athena.mit.edu " 170,2,"From: rick@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? (TT for True-Effects for windows) Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 41 games@max.u.washington.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr3.174759.15377@seas.gwu.edu>, lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai) writes: >> In article <1ov6rj$gev@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) writes: >>>I've just bought a PC which came with a bundle of Lotus stuff, including >>>Adobe Type Manager version 1.15. As a newcomer to Windows, I'm >>>confused about which I should be using, ATM or Truetype. >>> >> ... >There is a program called true-effects for windows, that allows you to define >attributes for true-type fonts, and have them look like new fonts. It will >give your font different backgrounds, or shadows, or reverse, etc... >It ONLY works with TT fonts. Yes, and the idea was ripped off from Adobe, which has had a program called TypeAlign for a few years now. TypeAlign does the same thing for Adobe Type 1 fonts; *and* Adobe has said that the next version will work with both Adobe Type 1 and TrueType. And TypeAlign does some things that TrueEffects does not - including some things you apparently want ... >If you want to use it, you best not want to use it with an ATM type font. >(Oh, yeah... lest you think this is a really cool program, none of the >effects are scalable (like the brick background pattern is the same size >whether your font is 10 point of 100 point.), and it is not extensible, >I.E. you CAN NOT add pattern of your own. >And you can't rorate the background pattern... >And you can't make the pattern extend beyond one character > (Every character in that new font has the entire pattern in it, > As opposed to having the SAME pattern run contiguously through > a couple of characters) >It is however cheap. >Maybe I will buy a copy when the next version comes out, if they fix some of >these gripes... > John. " 171,1,"From: alex@talus.msk.su (Alex Kolesov) Subject: Help on RenderMan language wanted! Reply-To: alex@talus.msk.su Organization: unknown Lines: 17 Hello everybody ! If you are using PIXAR'S RenderMan 3D scene description language for creating 3D worlds, please, help me. I'm using RenderMan library on my NeXT but there is no documentation about NeXTSTEP version of RenderMan available. I can create very complicated scenes and render them using surface shaders, but I can not bring them to life by applying shadows and reflections. As far as I understand I have to define environmental and shadows maps to produce reflections and shadows, but I do not know how to use them. Any advises or simple RIB or C examples will be appreciated. Thanks in advance... --- Alex Kolesov Moscow, Russia. Talus Imaging & Communications Corporation e-mail: (NeXT mail accepted) . " 172,9,"From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) Subject: Re: I've found the secret! Article-I.D.: nntpd.1993Apr15.193907.24177 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.161730.9903@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes... > >Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they >already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts >again tonight, on three days rest. > >What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why >Hesketh was used in relief last night? Clemens is going on his normal four days' rest (last pitched Saturday). Hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon, his first outing since an aborted 1-1/3 inning start 6 days before, so he should be plenty rested to go in his expected turn this Saturday, as the 5th starter. Not that this is a good thing, of course. I'd like to see a well-managed four-man rotation with this team... --- Glenn Waugaman Digital Equipment Corporation Littleton, MA g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com --- " 173,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: na Lines: 23 In article bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: >RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You >can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: > > The team that scores more runs wins the game! > --------------------------------------------- > >Flame Away So what does that have to do with RBI's? The team with the most RBI's doesn't necessarily win the game. Yes, runs are the most important statistice -- for a *team*. (So why does every newspaper rank team offense by batting average?) But for an individual player, runs and RBIs are context-dependent, and tell us very little about the player himself, and more about his teammates and position in the batting order. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 174,9,"From: Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) Subject: Jewish Broadcasters (was Jewish Baseball Players?) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 8 For that matter, how many Gentleman of The Press Box have been Jewish? The only Jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is Steve Williams (?), who had a Phillies show on KYW in Philadelphia in the 80s. -- Mark Bernstein Eastgate Systems, Inc. 134 Main Street Watertown MA 02172 USA voice: (800) 562-1638 in USA +1(617) 924-9044 Eastgate@world.std.com Compuserve: 76146,262 AppleLink:Eastgate " 175,6,"Subject: Music for sale... From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu (The force is strong with you...but you are not a Jedi yet.) Reply-To: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu (The force is strong with you...but you are not a Jedi yet.) Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu Lines: 23 THe following listed tapes are priced to sell. A friend of mine wants to get rid of them, so let's just have some bids, why don't we? All Are Tapes, BTW. AC/DC Back in Black good condition Razor's edge excellent Poison Open up and... Excellent Flesh & Blood Excellent Guns & Roses Appetite for Destr.. Fair Use your Ill. #1 good USe your Ill. #2 good Skid Row Bside ourselves Tape OK, Case cracked Slave to the grind excellent Jackyl Jackyl Excellent Bon Jovi Keep the Faith(single) Excellent THis is for her, not for me... Jason " 176,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Science and Methodology Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 67 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu -*---- In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: > The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre > scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. > It depends on the quality of their THINKING. > > It really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that > they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical > studies. ... > > And I'm especially offended by Russell Turpin's repeated assertion that > science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes. Simply avoiding > mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. I think that Lee Lady and I are talking at cross purposes. Above, Lady seems concerned with the contrast between great science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre science that makes smaller steps. In most of this thread, I have been concerned with the difference between what is science and what is not. Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts are scientifically screwy? (Some would give Velikovsky or Korzybski as examples. If you don't like these, choose your own.) I say it is the same as the difference between the mediocre physicist and the mediocre proponent of qi. Both Einstein and the mediocre physcists have disciplined their work from the cumulative knowledge of how previous researchers went wrong. Both Velikovsky and the mediocre proponent of qi have failed to do this. Let me approach this from a second direction. When one is asked to review a paper for a journal or conference, there are many kinds of criticism that one can make. One kind of criticism is that the work is just wrong or misinformed. Another kind of criticism is that the work, while technically correct, is either not important or not interesting. The first difference is the one that I have been pointing to. The second difference is the one that Lee Lady seems to be discussing. > If good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit > to homeopathic remedies, this would certainly be valuable information. > But it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science. This > is where you and I disagree with Turpin. I have often pointed out that for homeopathy to be considered scientific, what is needed is a test of its theoretical claims, not just of some of its proposed remedies. Similarly, I suspect that traditional Chinese medicine has many remedies that work; what it lacks (as one example) is any experiment that tests the presence of qi. > ... In order to have science, one must have a theoretical > structure that makes sense, not a mere collection of empirically > validated random hypotheses. Certainly a ""theoretical structure that makes sense"" is the goal. In areas where we do not yet have this, I see nothing wrong with forming and testing smaller hypotheses. Let's face it: we cannot always wait for an Einstein to come along and make everything clear for us. Sometimes those of us who are not Einstein have to plug along and make small amounts of progress as best we can. Russell " 177,10,"From: spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Organization: Personal Opinions Inc. Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr20.031840.18636@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: > >>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not >>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >>Red Wings win? > >Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that >Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired >San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only >coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be >expected to quarterback the powerplay. Close Roger, but no banana, er avocado or is it artichoke ?!? Geracie in the Murky News said Kingston will be the new 49ers quarterback. I'm still trying to determine if he is kidding or not :). If I happen to pound down enuff pints sometime this week I'll go back and check what stooper idiot Purdy said in his column. That ought to be worth a few Leafs, I mean Laughs. If I'm really depressed I'll read the SF Comicle. mark just say ##### # # # ###### # # ##### ____ # # # # # # # # # # # # -_ --__ # # # # # # # # # # \ --_ ##### ####### # # ###### ### ##### \ -_ # # # ####### # # # # # | \ # # # # # # # # # # # # __________ / \_____ ##### # # # # # # # # ##### ___________ / \_____ ______________________________________________________________________________ Mark Spiegel spiegel@lmsc.lockheed.com Cow Palace:108/K/8 Epicenter: ? " 178,4,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 10 Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if they want to go at least 9600 baud)? Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. Thank you, " 179,4,"From: salmon@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Salmon) Subject: Re: HELP - SCSI Woes on Mac IIfx Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 16 According to the official documentation, failure to use the IIfx terminator can not only affect SCSI bus performance but can also damage the bus. Whether this is your problem or not I don't know. I have had sporadic SCSI problems with my IIfx since I bought it. (I cannot connect more than three devices, fourth one causes major problems). First thing to do is to try to reformat your drive on someone elses system. If you continue to get errors it is probably the drive. If it formats fine then I would try to format it on your system with no externals. If this fails then the SCSI controller on your IIfx needs repair/replacement. Hope this helps. -- David C. Salmon salmon@unomaha.edu " 180,0,"Organization: Penn State University From: Andrew Newell Subject: Re: < <93099.234144MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1q8lk3INNitq@gap.caltech.edu> <93102.062908MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <93105.022621TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> <1ql71pINN5ef@gap.caltech.edu> Lines: 36 In article <1ql71pINN5ef@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) says: > >Andrew Newell writes: > >>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they >>should not have available to use. > >It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too? >God Bless America? The list goes on... Worse? Maybe not, but it is definately a violation of the rules the US govt. supposedly follows. Maybe the others should be changed to? But I'm not personally as concerned about the anthem since I don't come across it in daily nearly unavoidable routines. >>every christian. And I'd be tempted to rub that motto in the >>face of christians when debunking their standard motto slinging >>gets boring. > >Then you'd be no better than the people you despise. I don't despise the people...just their opinions. I meant when chatting with the ones who refuse to listen to any idea other than their own...then it just becomes an exercise for amusement. >[...] >>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read: >> ""In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"" > >Would you approve of such a motto? No. ...not unless the only way to get rid of the current one was to change it to such as that. " 181,6,"From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk) Subject: For Sale: Complete Communicator card for IBM-voicemail, modem, Fax Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Complete Communicator, latest vers. New in box Works in DOS or Windows One card you get fax, voicemail and modem. Auto switch, one line handles all fax, voicemail and modem communications $500 new 250 dollars, and you pay shipping " 182,4,From: kwgst+@pitt.edu (Mr. Someone) Subject: modem question Article-I.D.: blue.9061 Organization: pre-EE Lines: 2 art 183,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 293 Dear friends, I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. As part of the requirements for a research class in music education I designed a questionnaire to colect data for my research project. The study intends to determine which techniques (if any) have been used to teach music for the deaf. If you have any experience in music education for the deaf and would like to help me with this project, your help would be very much appreciated. If you also want to exchange some ideas about the subject matter, feel yourself welcome. I have been working in this area for a while (in Brazil _ by the way, I am Brazilian _ and also in US) and I am very pleased with the results. I hope that this inquiry will not cause too many inconveniences. Thank you for or time and consideration. __QUESTIONNAIRE__ Teaching Music for deaf children. NAME ________________________________ ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ *If you checked ""other"", please indicate your major: ____ Some school systems require music to be taught to deaf children, other school systems have not thought of the possibility to teach music for children with hearing limitations. The following questionnaire was designed to find out how teachers face the issue of teaching or not teaching music for the deaf. Also, a part of this study is to determine teachers attitudes towards music programs for deaf children. DIRECTIONS: READ THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND CIRCLE THE NUMBER THAT BEST DESCRIBES YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS MUSIC FOR DEAF CHILDREN (LEFT COLUMN), AND CIRCLE THE APPROPRIATE ""YES"", ""NO"" OR ""NOT APPLICABLE"", WHETHER YOU DO THE TASK (RIGHT COLUMN). SD= Strongly disagree Y= yes DIS= Disagree N= no NEU= Neutral N/A= not applicable AG= Agree SA= Strongly agree SD DIS NEU AG SA COMPETENCIES Y N N/A ___________________________________________________________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 1.Deaf children can be educated in y n n/a music. 1 2 3 4 5 2.Deaf children should have regular y n n/a music classes. 1 2 3 4 5 3.A special music teacher must posses y n n/a an appropriate training in a variety of communication methods to use with deaf children. 1 2 3 4 5 4.In preparing the lessons the teacher y n n/a must keep in mind that deaf children may present special needs in order to participate in musical activities. 1 2 3 4 5 5.Deaf and normal hearing children y n n/a should have music classes together. 1 2 3 4 5 6. 80% of a succesful music experience y n n/a by a deaf child depends upon the teacher's creativity and commitment with the subject matter. 1 2 3 4 5 7.Deaf children can learn to appreciate y n n/a music but they will never be a musician or a performer. 1 2 3 4 5 8.Deaf children are not able to y n n/a discriminate and recognize sounds. 1 2 3 4 5 9.Deaf children can not distinguish y n n/a among loud and soft sounds. 1 2 3 4 5 10.Deaf children can never match the y n n/a music in their head to a note on a musical instrument. 1 2 3 4 5 11.The most appropriate material to y n n/a start music classes for the deaf would be the folk songs said he would be replaced by the military commandant of Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official confirmation. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 184,9,"From: aardvark@cygnus.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) Subject: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 40 April 1, 1993 I am participating in an NL-league that uses standard Rotisserie rules except that the following catagories are used: For position players: lowest batting average strike-outs caught-stealing errors For pitchers: losses blown saves higest ERA 'taters allowed This is the fifth year that I've participated in this Blowtisserie league. Last year I won the pennant due primarily to the fact that I had terrible pitching. I would like to lower my batting average which is rather high because I do have Jose Offerman (who made up for this by helping me lock first place in errors). Anyway, someone offered: Andres Gallaraga for Bud Black I can afford to give up Bud Black because I still have Kyle Abbott. However, I am afraid of Andres actually doing well this season. Should I make the trade or not? Your comments will be appreciated. -- Warren Usui I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10. " 185,5,"From: folkert@capints.UUCP (Folkert Boonstra) Subject: comp.windows.x Organization: The Internet Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I would like to keep track of X development on: - A/UX - ULTRIX - OpenWindows Currently I cannot use the newsgroup comp.windows.x and would like to use the Email based info. Thanks, Folkert Boonstra Cap Gemini Innovation Dutch Research Centre Burg.Elsenlaan 170 Phone: +31 70 3957 239 P.O. Box 3027 Fax: +31 70 3957 237 2280 GA Rijswijk (NL) e-mail: boonstra@capints.uucp " 186,4,"From: SHAGBERG@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu Subject: updated keyboard question for the plus Organization: Illinois State University Lines: 44 I have an old Mac Plus. A couple of years ago I bought a shiney new lc. It came with apple's new keyboard (with abd ports). i replaced it with a mac-pro-plus extended keyboard (which i thoroughly enjoy, thank you very much). well, i have this extra keyboard which i would like to use on the plus but there's a little problem. the plus uses an rj-11 jack for keyboard input and the new keyboards don't. i got an extra adb cable from my local apple dealer (they're such nice people), but they couldn't tell me the order of the wires. there are four wires in the adb cables: black, white, red, tan. I know one's a ground, one gets the serial signal, one supplies 5 volts, and i forgot what the fourth one does. anyway, if you hook them up wrong you'll fry a board and i don't want to do . if any brave souls out there have done this before, please e-mail your experience directly to me. i would greatly appreciate it especially since apple's original keyboard is not . . . ergonomically correct. btw, i did take apart my new keyboard to see if i could find the correlation between the wires for the rj-11 jack and the adb since it has both, but no such luck (the connections are soldered inside of little boxes). Oh, well . . . one more thing: in case you are thinking that the ABD ports on the newer models are different from the connection used on the plus--- you're right. however, you can use the telephone cable from the plus and connect the mac-pro-plus keyboard via its own rj-11 jack. in other words, this little engineering feat i wish to do *is* possible. it's merely a matter of finding out the correct order. omt, when i get this to work, i definitely will post the solution so others can, too. thanx for the input. ***************************************************************** * Tis the blink of an eye, tis the draught of a breath, * * From the blossoms of health, to the paleness of death, * * From the gilded saloon, to the briar in the shroud, * * O, why should the spirit of mortal be proud? * * -William Knox * ***************************************************************** * shagberg@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu * ***************************************************************** " 187,2,"From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) Subject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 50 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: kauai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: davidgl@microsoft.com's message of 06 Apr 93 02:37:30 GMT `In article <1993Apr06.023730.5094@microsoft.com> davidgl@microsoft.com (David Glenn) writes: ... Again, not true. The characters in a TT or Type 1 font depend on the maker. If someone converts a Type 1 font to TT they'll only get the characters in the font of orgin. TT allows for much more flexibility in this area as well. You can have thousands of glyphs in a TT font file (Mac/PS/Windows/Unicode char set) and use the characters appropriate for the particular platform you are running the font on. Well, yes, both Type 1 and TrueType fonts can contain lots of characters. And in both cases plain text fonts will be reencoded to Windows ANSI in Windows, and to Mac standard roman encoding on the Mac. No difference there between T1 and TT! And as for fonts with thousands of glyphs, right know these are a liabiliaty rather than a great new thing. Reason is that a font with 3000 characters is very large, and if you can only access 224 of them you are paying a heavy price in downloading time and printer storage. (And at the moment there is only one program of that uses `partial font downloading') For instance, all or our fontpack 2 TT fonts have the Mac/Windows char set in them. The metrics of the fonts are such that if the font is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac char set. Yes and T1 text fonts all have the `ISO Adobe' character set, which is a superset of Windows ANSI and Macintosh standard roman enocding. The question is whether you can get at the glyphs. In Windows, for example, you cannot get at the ligatures `fi' anfd `fl' (both T1 and TT)even though a font may very well have them. ANd, while it is somewhat painful to reencode a Type 1 font and to create a new Windows metric file (PFM) for it, there are utilities out there to allow you do this. How do I reencode a TrueType font? How can I get at the `fi' and `fl' ligatures in Windows (or on the Mac)? Are there utilities that make it possible to circumvent the hard-wired Windows ANSI encoding? > Regards, 1001-A East Harmony Road > Bob Niland Suite 503 > Internet: rjn@csn.org Fort Collins CO 80525 > CompuServe: 71044,2124 (303) 223-5209 Berthold K.P. Horn Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA " 188,16,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Re: A universal RIGHT to bear arms? NOT! Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Lines: 73 nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.080842.3554@a.cs.okstate.edu> kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: > gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: >> >In article <1993Apr1.173759.4636@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: >> >>In article miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes: >> >>> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >> >> > >> >>> >I suppose that's true if you maintain that AK-47s and AR-15s are hunting >> >>> >weapons. I think they are fun to ""plink"" cans/targets/random VC with, >> >>> >but not suitable for ""real"" hunting. >> >>> >> >>> Wrong. Both are legal to hunt with here in Kentucky. I have a picture of >> >>> a friend with a nice 8-point buck which he shot with his AR-15 rifle. >> >> >> >>I don't think many deer hunters would condone your friends choice of >> >>rifle. > >> >I must agree with Nathan. As a deer hunter, I find it inhumane to use >> >underpowered weapons for deer hunting. To kill cleanly with the little >> >.223 requires extremely good marksmanship. Most hunting situations don't >> >allow for ""perfect"" shots. Hunters should use sufficiently powerful >> >weapons to drop the deer with a single hit to the chest. The 7.62x39 >> >from the AKS-47 or SKS is adequate to this task, having similar ballistics >> >to the familiar 30-30, but the little .223 is very marginal. In the >> >hands of the expert, or the lucky, it will do, but hunters really >> >should have more respect for their quarry. > >> >Gary > >> I'll agree that the popular 55 gr. loading for .223 rem. is too small for >> deer-sized game. However, if you use a 70 gr. semi-spritzer or the Sierra >> 63 gr. semi-pointed bullet this would be suitable (like any round, >> you keep your shots within a reasonable range). It would still be on the >> lower end of what I'd consider acceptable performance, especially those >> long distance shots out West hunting Monster Mule Deer. The .223 rem. has >> been declared legal for deer hunting in Oklahoma. > >> The .223 is excellent for varmit hunting and pest control. The AR-15 in >> particular is well suited, given its heavy barrel and heat shielded foregrip. >> Add a high-power scope, and you're in ""Dog heaven"". > >> However, I don't think Nathan Janette was refering to the specific chambering >> of the rifle in question. Maybe he thinks self loading rifles have no >> place in deer hunting. That may (or may not) be his opinion, but many >> sportsmen do use self loading rifles and shotguns. >Wrongo, NRA man. I was definitely referring to the round, not the >auto-loading aspect of the rifle. I have no problem with *responsible* >hunting. That doesn't include machine guns from choppers, but a semi is >fine. My uncle has bagged several deer with 12 gauge slugs. I would prefer >that a hunter use as much of the catch as possible, and I don't condone >hunting for ""sport"" only. >IMHO, of course. Two questions: 1) You asserted that both the AR-15 and AK-47 are not suitable for ""real hunting"". If you have no problem with hunting, or using self loading rifles for hunting, why did you say this? If not for deer, then what about other, smaller game? 2) When did I get the nickname ""NRA man""? Notice I have never referred to you as ""Janette"" which you don't seem to like. Do I get any super-powers, like Spider Man or Powdered Toast Man? Scott Kennedy Brewer, Patriot, and now NRA-Man, defender of Truth, Justice, and the 2nd Amendment. kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu " 189,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 66 In article arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: >At issue was not a trial behind closed doors, but arrest, trial and >imprisonment in complete secrecy. This was appraently attempted in the >case of Vanunu and failed. It has happened before, and there is reason >to believe it still goes on. The lengthy article you quote doesn't imply this. It only states that it is somehow POSSIBLE, not that it is in any way likely. This is akin to an article saying that it is POSSIBLE that the USAF has several captured UFOs, without supporting the liklihood of such an assertion. >Read this: >From Ma'ariv, February 18 (possibly 28), 1992 >PUBLICATION BAN > >By Baruch Me'iri > >All those involved in this matter politely refused my request, one way >or another: ""Look, the subject is too delicate. If I comment on it, I >will be implicitly admitting that it is true; If I mention a specific >case, even hint at it, I might be guilty of making public something >which may legally not be published"". In other words, they were telling a pesky reporter to keep guessing. Israel maintains this same attitude about nuclear weapons it may or may not have. The US maintains the same attitude about the presence of nuclear weapons on specific naval craft. By refusing to acknowledge the existence of such weapons on specific ships, US warships have, I believe, become unwelcome in New Zealand, which has declared itself a nuclear-free-zone. >The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years >there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to >long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the >crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. More >precisely: A court ordered publication ban was placed on the fact of >their arrest, and later on their imprisonment. The USAF has never officially admitted to having any UFOs, either. >In Israel of 1993, citizens are imprisoned without us, the citizens of >this country, knowing anything about it. Not knowing anything about >the fact that one person or another were tried and thrown in prison, >for security offenses, in complete secrecy. This is stated as a fact without supporting evidence. It would've been more convincing if your reporter had come up with just one name of someone who is sitting in jail, lost to the world, as he suggests. Maybe Elvis, or JFK, somebody. Let's put it this way: If Israel has put people away without publicizing their arrests or the legal proceedings against them, how has their disappearance been explained? People have relatives, friends and colleagues, you know. Israel is not known as a place where people are made to vanish. Would you care to give us a list of people whose whereabouts are unknown? People who are presumed to be imprisoned? This whole conspiracy story isn't something that we've come to associate with Yigal Arens before. Perhaps from now on, we should. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 190,13,"From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Fri, 23 Apr 93 14:56:04 GMT In article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff, tron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes: >Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an >authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that >is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? I'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of the major ingredients. :-) Don Mackie - his opinions UM Anesthesiology will disavow " 191,14,"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 19 In article <1r6mcgINNe87@gap.caltech.edu+ kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes: +In article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM+ wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes: +++ ++Once inflated the substance was no longer ++needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. ++This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no ++disastrous deflation. + +preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain +a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to +catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards + +The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon. No, you're wrong about this. Give me some time to get my references. -- Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) " 192,5,"From: ben@dbsm.oz.au (Benjamin Stephen Kelley) Subject: Problems with color Xterm Reply-To: ben@thor (Benjamin Stephen Kelley) Organization: SBC Dominguez Barry Ltd Lines: 19 We have recently obtained a copy of color_xterm (from export.lcs.mit.edu) after seeing it mentioned in a previous article. On compilation, it reports the following undefined symbols: _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass but still runs. When sending escape sequences to set the colour, any colour comes out as black text on a black background. Any Ideas? Has anyone used this program in colour successfully? Can anyone point me to any other colour terminal emulators? We are running OpenWindows 3 on Sun Sparcs running SunOS 4.1.3. advaTHANKSnce Ben Kelley. ben@thor.dbsm.oz.au " 193,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of people are worried about already.... " 194,14,"From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation Lines: 35 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. > >Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric >Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit >using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that >it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as >a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall >hearing recently that it was about to happen. The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for deceleration. This from an issue of 'Science News' or 'The Planetary Report' I believe, about 2 months ago(?). Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu) ================================================================================ I read the newspaper today and was amazed that, in 24 hours, five billion people could accomplish so little. ================================================================================ " 195,4,"From: schandra@bme.ri.ccf.org (Shalabh Chandra) Subject: Trying to find a reliable Power Center for MACS Article-I.D.: bme.1993Apr15.222020.4004 Organization: Biomedical Engineering and Applied Therapeutics, CCF Lines: 18 Hi There, I am trying to find out a reliable Power Center, it is basically a surge protector that sits below the monitor and has individual control for each outlet. Some people have an opinion that none of them work well. The ones that I could locate in Microcenter catalogue were: Tripp Lite's Isobar Command COnsole ($79) Proxima Power Director (89.95) Kensington Masterpiece Plus (109.95) Has anyone used one of these? Could you please send me your feedback on these? thanks -shalabh " 196,9,"From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986. Distribution: na Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 68 In article ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes: >Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco, >circa June 1986. > >1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds, > not gain more bulk. I've been saying that for at least 2 years now and even the A's conditioning guru told Jose he was carrying too much weight and losing some would help his back.Although I don't for one second believe Jose used steroids,his back problems are very similar to problems alot of steroid users experience because they are simply carrying too much weight on their frame(see Jeff Bregel ex 49er as a textbook example), and IMHO Jose is too big for his frame. >2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's > lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed. I can't imagine how to estimate bat speed, but its pretty obvious that Jose is missing fastballs he used to hit, likely due to his back. >3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like > Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is > released. Downing could do this without significant head movement - > Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his > stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes, > they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard > to make adjustments in your swing. I don't know, he had an even more open stance when he first came up with the A's, and had no problems with it then. It might be that pre-back problems, he was quick enough to cover up any deficiencies the stance caused, but now he's lost just enough bat speed that the stance hurts him. The old saying if you're hot its a trigger mechanism, if you're cold, its a hitch. >First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance, >and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this >will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move >the bathead more freely. The biggest problem IMHO is he never has found a stance he's comfortable with for more than a few months. He changes his stance so much, he loses track of where the strike zone is. In Wednesday's night game, he was clearly mad at strike calls on both corners that looked pretty good to me. I think he no longer knows where the strike zone really is because he's changed his stance so much. I'm also a bit concerned that because he's got Palmer and Gonzalez hitting all the homeruns, he'll become competitive, swing even harder and screw himself up even worse. LaRussa always said that Canseco's famous batting practice homer shows did him more harm than good as they encouraged bad hitting habits. Russ Smith ******************************************************************************* ""I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."" George Gervin on being an assistant coach ******************************************************************************** " 197,7,"From: cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr5.230808.581 Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept. Lines: 51 In article , fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: |> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: |> : I have been active in defending Saturn lately on the net and would |> : like to state my full opinion on the subject, rather than just reply to others' |> : points. |> : |> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn |> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is |> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced |> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of |> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? |> |> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. |> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if |> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket |> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not |> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. |> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was |> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I |> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but |> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important |> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT |> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit |> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has |> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. |> |> Fred Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for the same car. So isn't that saving money? Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: 1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. 2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even the buyers for other cars will pay less. Isn't that saving money? $0.02, doug. " 198,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: 3 AIDS Related Questions Article-I.D.: pitt.19407 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 29 In article <93087.011308PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu (Paula Ford) writes: >A friend of mine was a regular volunteer blood donor. During surgery, he >was given five units of blood, and after a suitable recovery time, he went >to donate blood at a ""bloodmobile."" He was HIV+, and did not know it. > >The Red Cross notified him with a _registered letter_. That's all. No >counselling, no nothing. He died two years ago, this week. He left behind How long ago was this? When I said you'd get counselling, I meant if you did it now. Long ago, practices varied and agencies had to gear up to provide the counselling. >a wife and a four-year-old son. Many people have suggested that his wife >should sue the Red Cross, but she would not. She says that without the >blood transfusions he would have died during the surgery. > Good for her. What we don't need is everyone suing community service agencies that provide blood that people need. Testing is not fool proof. The fact that he got AIDS from a transfusion (if he really did) does not mean the Red Cross screwed up. Prior to 1983 or so, there wasn't a good test and a lot of bad blood got through. This wasn't the fault of the Red Cross. When did he get the transfusions? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 199,15,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 52 Bob Van Cleef writes: If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the Pope cannot ""be wrong!"" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the Pope is the legal head of the church. In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice but to obey. This is a primary problem in the Church today. What you are saying is more or less heresy. You might call it ""infallibilism"". It's the idea that the Pope is always right in everything he says or does. This is virtually all over the place, especially in this country. The Pope is only infallible under certain very specific and well-defined conditions. When these conditions are not met, he can make mistakes. He can make *big* mistakes. A couple historical examples come to mind. Bishop Robert Grosseteste was perhaps the greatest product of the English Catholic Church. At one point during his career, the reigning Pope decided to install one of his nephews in an English see. Bishop Grosseteste said that this would happen over his dead body (though maybe not in so many words; you have to treat Popes with respect, even when they are wrong). The problem was that this nephew would just collect the income of the see, and probably never set foot there. This would deprive the people of the see of a shepherd. Bishop Grosseteste was quite right in what he did! Another example is that of Pope John XXII, a Pope of the Middle Ages. He decided that souls that were saved did not enjoy the Beatific Vision until the Last Judgement. He decided that this should be a defined doctrine of the Church. Though he didn't quite get around to defining it. Now there's no way this is compatible with Catholic doctrine. The Pope's doctrine was criticised by many in the Church. He went so far as to put a number of his opponents in jail, even. In the end, he had to admit his mistake. Shortly before he died, he recanted. His successor made the exact *opposite* idea a dogma of the Church. If you consult any of the great Catholic theologians who treat of such subjects, such as St. Robert Bellarmine (a Doctor of the Church), you will find detailed discussions of whether the Pope can personally fall into heresy or schism. The teaching of all such theologians is that the commands of a Pope must be resisted if they are to the detriment of the Catholic Faith. A Pope's authority is given for the purpose of building up the Catholic Church. Commands in conflict with this purpose have no legal *or* moral force. " 200,3,"From: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Reply-To: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Lines: 11 Has anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz. How does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display? |-----| Living on Tulsa time..... | | Rusty Foreman - - - - - - - - rforeman@trc.amoco.com | Amoco Production Research {...uunet}!apctrc!zrdf01 | P.O. Box 3385 phone: (918) 660-3488 | Tulsa, OK 74102 fax: 918-660-4163 " 201,7,"From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: >I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one >to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the >spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used! I have just a couple of questions about this technique. First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer finger or my pinky? Left hand or right? And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted for. Any suggestions? /andy " 202,8,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B' tires. Garaged and pampered. I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go. Best offer above $4500 takes it. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 203,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Some Recent Observations by Hubble Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: HST, Pluto, Uranus News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Here are some recent observations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope: o The Faint Object Spectrograph (FOS) was used to make ultraviolet observations of both the planet Pluto, and its moon Charon. The peakups were successful. The observations were executed as scheduled, and no problems were reported. o Observations were made using the High Speed Photometer of the Planet Uranus during an occultation by a faint star in Capricornus. These observations will help in our understanding of the planet's atmospheric radiative and dynamical processes. This event occurred close to the last quarter moon, and special arrangements had to be made to modify the lunar limit tests to allow these observations. The observations are currently being reviewed, and all the observations looked okay. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. " 204,5,"From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 50 In article 4867@mlb.semi.harris.com, jmartin@egret.imagesRus (John Martin) writes: > Animation is most frequently done by copying the the client resident XImages into > server resident Pixmap(s) using XPutImage. Once this is done, the original XImages > can be deleted and the animation loop can be performed using XCopyArea from the Pixmaps to the windows drawable. > > Hope this is helpfull. > > John > I just implemented this and it seems I can just about achieve the display rates (20 400x400x8 frames / sec on IPX) that I get with Sunview, though it's a bit ""choppy"" at times. Also, loading the data, making an XImage, then XPut'ing it into a pixmap is a bit cumbersome, so the animation is slower to load than with Sunview. Is there a better way to load in the data? rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: > If you need speed, and your client can run on the same host as the X server, > you should use the shared memory extension to the sample X server (MIT-SHM). > xdpyinfo will tell you if your server has this extension. This is certainly > available with the sample MIT X server running under SunOS. > A word of warning: make sure your kernel is configured to support shared > memory. And another word of warning: OpenWindows is slower than the MIT > server. > I have written an imaging tool (using XView for the GUI, by the way) which > yields over 10 frames per second for 512*512*8 bit images, running on a Sparc > IPC (half the cpu grunt of an IPX). This has proved quite sufficient for > animations. > > Regards, > > Richard Gooch.... Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu, Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server- resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code mentioned above... Thanks for the help so far. If I get something decent put together, I'll definitely post it to the Net. ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- " 205,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Biosphere II Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <19930419.062802.166@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes: |In <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Pat writes: |>The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see |>either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for |>not releasing data. | We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. Never said you didn't publish, merely that there is data you don't publish, and that no-one scoriates you for those cases. IBM research publishes plenty, it's why you ended up with 2 Nobel prizes in the last 10 years, but that some projects are deemed company confidential. ATT Bell Labs, keeps lots of stuff private, Like Karamankars algorithm. Private moeny is entitled to do what it pleases, within the bounds of Law, and For all the keepers of the temple of SCience, should please shove their pointy little heads up their Conically shaped Posterior Orifices. pat who just read the SA article on Karl Fehrabend(sp???) " 206,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Canadians - another Stanley Cup Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 37 In article <93097.094815MECE7187@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes: >Im sorry to tell you this, but unless they pull off another 1986 miracle, there > is no way the HABS will win this year. Ever since they traded for >Ramage, and since Savard came off injury, they have been playing shinny. And >you cant blame Roy for the 4-0 loss to Washington, when 20 players could not >score one goal. I know, you think >I am a Boston fan, but all of my years have been dedicated to Les HABS. >David Degan Well, it seems that the Habs have been much talked-about of late, so here's my $0.02. These guys have absolutely no concept of how to play in front of the damn net!!! Watch them in the offensive zone, especially on the powerplay. Damphousse or Lebeau will skate all over the bloody zone, maybe pass to the point, get it back, skate some more, pass it around....BUT WHERE'S THE SHOT??! Answer: the shot is totally useless because they lack a forward who stands in front of the net a la` Neely, Shanahan, Tocchet, etc etc. Too bad Demers won't put Dipietro or LeClair on the powerplay more often. Dammit, even Ewen would at least cause some disruptions. Montreal desperately needs a power forward with some talent, IMO. Then watch them in their own zone. Patrick Roy is screened on everything. Say what you want about his performance; IMNSHO he cannot stop what he cannot see. And Montreal's defence does a miserable job of clearing the front of the net. Last night against Washington Roy played a *great* game. The first goal came on the most ridiculous goalmouth scramble I've seen in a long time, and he didn't have a hope in hell of stopping the shot. The second goal came on a deflection of a shot he only partially saw anyway. Pathetic defence. The third goal was EN. No wonder he gets pissed off at his defencemen. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 207,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu I have a Sony 1604S 17"" monitor and I don't see any lines across the screen and am only using the non interlaced mode. But because of the hor. lines and poping that I do see and hear when I am usinf 800x600x256 and 1024x768x256 modes and switch back to anything of less. I would not buy another Sony at what ever price. Oh ya this is I guess a 15"" viewing area. It don't impress me one bit! Sam -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 208,8,"From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve) Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem In-Reply-To: starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu's message of 13 Apr 93 15:34:41 CST Organization: Organized?? Surely you jest! Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr13.153441.49118@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and > had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced > the stock airbox. Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at > about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear. This is especially frustrating > on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens > to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear. I've had it ""tuned"" and this doesn't > seem to help. I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system > from a GPz 1100. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides > restoring it to stock? > Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu the brain dead."" -Ted Nugent It sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly. If you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right. If a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bennett Leve 84 V-65 Sabre | I'm drowning, throw | |Orlando, FL 73 XL 250 | me a bagel. | |hoggle!hoggle2!bleve@peora.sdc.ccur.com | | " 209,1,"From: mac@utkvx.bitnet (Richard J. McDougald) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 22 In article <0010580B.vmcbrt@diablo.UUCP> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: Yeah, Corel Draw and WordPerfect Presentations pretty limited here, too. Since there's no (not really) such thing as a decent raster to vector conversion program, this ""tracing"" technique is about it. Simple stuff, like b&w logos, etc. do pretty well, while more complicated stuff goes haywire. I suspect (even though I don't write code) that a good bitmapped to vector conversion program would probably be as big as most of these application softwares we're using -- but even so, how come one hasn't been written? (to my knowledge). I mean, even Hijaak, one of the commercial industry standards of file conversion, hasn't attempted it yet. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mac McDougald * Any opinions expressed herein The Photography Center * are not necessarily (actually, Univ. of Tenn. Knoxville 37996 * are almost CERTAINLY NOT) those mac@utkvx.utk.edu * of The University of Tennessee. mac@utkvx.bitnet * (615-974-3449) * ""Things are more like they are now (615-974-6435) FAX * than they've ever been before."" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 210,10,"From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation Lines: 73 In article , saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes: |> In rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: |> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that |> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. |> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. |> |> What?! White, yes. Well off, definitely not. Hockey season ticket owners have |> the lowest average income of any of the four major North American sports. Do you have a basis for this claim? Try these stats (taken from Playboy Magazine June 1989): Percentage of pro football fans who have attended college: 39.7 Percentage of pro baseball fans who have attended college: 41.5 Percentage of pro basketball fans who have attended college: 39.9 Percentage of pro hockey fans who have attended college: 54.6 Percentage of pro football fans who earn more than $50K: 34.9 Percentage of pro baseball fans who make more than $50K: 22.7 Percentage of pro basketball fans who make more than $50K: 27.7 Percentage of pro hackey fans who make more than $50K: 44.0 |> |> And think of where the majority of hockey players come from. From a farm out |> in Boondock, Saskatchewan or Weedville, Alberta. |> The biggest advantage that kids from Boondock or Weedville have is the availability of ice. In the San Jose area we have a population of 800,000 and that population is served by 2 ice arenas. In contrast, Kamloops, British Columbia has a population of about 50,000 and has 5 rinks! There are also myriad ponds, pools, etc that freeze in the winter. Down here it's hard to find a kid without a bicycle; up there it's hard to find a kid without a pair of skates. And before you say ""what does he know? He's from California."" let me say that I was born and raised in Trail, British Columbia, a town of about 8,000 with lots of ice in the winter. My father did radio play by play for the local team, the Trail Smokeaters, who by the way, were the last Canadian team to win the World Championship (back in 1961). I was on skates almost as soon as I could walk, and have been playing recreational hockey for about 35 years. |> >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city. |> >The insurance alone is a big enough barrier. |> |> The inner city isn't the only place that is poor. |> I think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is... no ICE to play on. Lack of ice is a big factor, but costs is a bigger factor. Both my kids play for the Santa Clara Valley Hockey Association and this season, which just ended, cost me $75 per kid for membership in Hockey USA, plus $750 per kid for club dues. The Hockey USA fees cover excess medical insurance, and the club dues cover ice time, officials, trophies, etc. Other areas have similar fees, unless the city government subsidises some of the costs, as Stockton does. By the way; most ice arenas are located in what could be called the ""inner city"" areas. Eastridge and Vallco are exceptions ... Redwood City's rink is in an industrial area on Bay Rd, near 101, Berkeley's is near Ashby and Martin Luther King, Stockton's is in Oak Park, Sacramento's is in an older section of downtown (I forget the name of the street), Fresno's is out on the edge of town, just west of 99. Santa Rosa's is a nice rink, but it's in an older section of town. Dublin's is outside of town, off 580. Most of the rinks are old, and expensive to run, with huge electric bills and insurance premiums. If you want to buy ice time expect to pay around $100 per hour at any of these rinks. Some of them give you a 60 minute hour for your money; others give you a 50 minute hour and include the resurfacing time in the fee. -- Alan Hepburn ""A man doesn't know what he knows National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."" Santa Clara, Ca alan@berlioz.nsc.com Thomas Carlyle " 211,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr16.200100.23703@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: >There is a book that you can find in sale catalogues occasionally >called _Jewish Baseball Stars_, and baseball mavin Peter Bjarkman has >compiled a pretty definitive list of Jewish ballplayers in the bigs. I wish I hadn't sold my copy of Jewish Baseball Stars. It's a Short Shelf (i.e., the one on top of the toilet tank) Special. The writing in that books is so astonishingly awful -- every sportswriting cliche taken to the nth degree and then mangled -- that it's funny. Rusinow is the author, I think. Roger " 212,16,"From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho Lines: 18 >>Am I having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this >>thing? Or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug, and Business >>as Usual will continue to be the Order of the Day in the New Order? >>Who will be given the official title of ""Thought Police"", I wonder...? >> >>And if Clinton and friends have their way, (highly likely at this point) >>the New Order Government will also have all the guns... So what if >>""1984"" is going to be ten years late... I think we are going to discover >>that we will be paying DEARLY for putting this fellow in office for decades >>to come. Even some die-hard supporters are having serious doubts about >>their Savior. Ahem. See the War on Drugs, as sponsored by the Bush and Reagan administrations. The precedent had well been set for federal agencies to step on more than a few of what people consider ""rights."" I won't make excuses for anyone, but most of the damage had been done before Clinton even entered the race in '92. " 213,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > >>Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people > >>come out with their hands up several weeks ago. > Now will you answer my question up top? A suggestion: cameras panning over planted automatic weapons, followed by a show trial and medals all around for the valiant forces of Lawn Order? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 214,15,"From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 38 In mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: ["">""= Mark, "">>""= mp] >> I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd >>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in >>ideological manipulation and cultural interference >Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two >small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive >conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their >could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible >studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding >faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY* I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your frustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions challenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer includes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish dictionary removed both Spanish and Tzotzil words for concepts which are threatening to the ruling ideology, e.g., class, conquer, exploitation, repression, revolution, and described words which can express ideological concepts in examples like ""Boss--the boss is good. He treats us well and pays us a good wage."" As some of my students would say, ""NOT!"" Your tone implies that you are unlikely to believe me--indeed, why should you? If you are interested enough to do some further research though, and you sound as if you are, here are some references for you. Stoll, David. _Fishers of Men or Founders of Empire? The Wycliffe Bible Translators in Latin America_. _Sectas y Religiosidad en America Latina_. _Los Angeles Times_, Dec. 11. 1977. _Latin America Press_, May 19, 1983. _Washington Times_, June 22, 1984. Happy hunting. mp " 215,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 33 In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >>In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: >>>Bzzzzt. It was me. Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a >>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick. The >>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick >>>in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) >> >> Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best >>look? The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips >>is a definite turn-off... >So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the ""natural look"" or >the ""waxy shit"" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from >drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either. Agreed, but, yes, chapstick fits under the ""waxy shit"" category, although I've noticed that stealing Annette's chapstick (after she's applied it :-) kept my lips from cracking this past winter like they have in all previous winters. Sigh...the price I must pay... >> Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-) >Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for >herself. So does my darling Annette (okay, I guess you can ready the barf bags now :-) Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 216,18,"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article Ashish Arora writes: >Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. >by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig >[...] > >> The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before >> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. >> >> Brett >Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. Yes, sadly, this is true. The primary reason, and the essence of the details that you are seeking, is that the Grahm-Rudman budget controls were working. In fact, they were working so well that unless the feds did something, they were going to have to start cutting pork. So Bush and the Democrats got together in a Budget Summit and replaced Grahm-Rudman with the now historic Grand Compromise in which Bush ""consented"" to raise taxes in exchange for certain caps on spending increases. As it turned out, the taxes killed the Reagan expansion and the caps on spending increases were dispelled by Clinton in his first act as President (so that he could create his own new plan with more tax increases). The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. Chew on that awhile. " 217,16,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 24 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com In article 1r1lp1INN752@mojo.eng.umd.edu, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: >>Does a ""not harmful"" gassing mean that you can, with a little willpower, >>stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems? >> >>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? >> >>What IS the difference, anyway? > >CS ""tear-gas"" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that >your stomach comes out thru your throat. Well, not quite that bad, but >you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. > >Chuck Harris - WA3UQV >chuck@eng.umd.edu > Interesting... after several hours worth of exposure, do you still posess the presence of mind to be able to determine how to escape from an inferno surrounding you? In other words, is it possible that the prolonged gassing disoriented the wackos enough that possibility of escape was rendered questionable? " 218,12,"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) Subject: Re: Trace size for a 15 Amp supply Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 12 R.G. Keen (rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com) wrote: : A quick and dirty way to get higher current carrying capacity : on PC board traces for one- or few-of-a-kind boards is to : strip some #14 Romex house wiring cable to bare copper, form : the bare copper to follow the trace, and solder it down. And if it's not quick and dirty, you can get bus bars that are stamped out with leads that insert in the PC board. Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com " 219,10,"From: Bjornar.Steinbakken@edb.uib.no Subject: Re: #77's? Organization: University of Bergen Lines: 13 In article <1r23on$4p6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (""The Logistician"") writes: > >I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now only >of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul Coffey of Detroit RedWings Bjoernar Steinbakken " 220,11,"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 39 [... a bunch of well-meaning (maybe) cynnical text about screw-thread sizes, the rights of people to have their own standards, and the non-right of the gov. to regulate screw-threads...] Well, as funny as your little comment may seem, it has very little to do with your personal privacy as a citizen, and about the governemnt being able to look at everything you have ever typed into a computer at one point or another. This ""Clipper Chip"" stuff is the seeds for nightmares to make the Nightmare on Elmstreet cheese-on-celluloid movies look like episodes of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. IF the gov establishes a cryptography standard that has to be used by everyone, and everyone's personal key is divided into two segments and stored at two separate, albeit easy to find places, and that key is only 80 bits to begin with, we are screwed (pardon the allusion to the affore-mentioned article)! the gov, I believe, as do many others probably already have the cracking chips for this Clipper Chip made. Hell, they probably based the encoder on the chip that cracks it, that way it's easier to break the code, but since it is a classified algorythm, no one knows that they can crack it so easily. I, for one, and quite scared of this kind of thing, and plan to support organizations (and even disorganizations) who are fighting against this Clipper Chip in any way that I can. I do not want the government to be able to have access, even with a search warrant, to my keys... and I don't want those keys to be only 80 bits long to begin with! -nate sammons o---------------------------+======================================o | ""I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know."" | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | o---------------------------+======================================o " 221,10,"From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) Subject: Re: Detroit Playoff Tradition Keywords: Octopi Organization: SPSS Inc. Lines: 24 In article <16APR199314443969@reg.triumf.ca> lange@reg.triumf.ca (THREADING THE CANADIAN TAPESTRY) writes: >Way back in the early years (~50's) it took 8 wins to garner the Stanley Cup. >Soooooo, a couple of local fish mongers (local to the Joe Louis Arena, that is) >started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win. After >each victory, one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the >ice. (They are dead by the way.) It was a brilliant marketing strategy to >shore up the demand for one of their least popular products. > >Hope this helps. > >J. Lange > Local to the Joe Louis Arena? You mean local to Olympia Stadium, where Red Wings games were played until fairly recently (early 80s comes to mind). As far as I know, the rest of the post is basically correct. If what you meant by local was simply Detroit and I'm being incredibly picky, okay, sorry about that. -- David Nichols Senior Statistical Support Specialist SPSS, Inc. Phone: (312) 329-3684 Internet: nichols@spss.com Fax: (312) 329-3657 ******************************************************************************* Any correlation between my views and those of SPSS is strictly due to chance. " 222,15,"From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 56 In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: > >No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point. > >> ""We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant >> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His >> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance >> of those absolutes."" > >Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes. >I don't see how that necessarily follows. > >Are all truths also absolutes? >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? > >If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can >explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and >which truths are absolutes. The answer to both questions is yes. All Scripture is true, being inspired by God. The evidence for this claim has been discussed ad nauseum in this group. Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always true. Obviously, if a ""truth"" is not always ""true"" then we have a contradiction in terms. Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a statement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this way. If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement, ""There are no absolutes"" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a contradiction here. This is just one of the reasons why Christians defy the world by claiming that there are indeed absolutes in the universe. >There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical >Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding >Biblical interpretation. So? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe. Moreover, evangelical Christianity, at least, still professes to believe in certain truths. Man is sinful, man needs salvation, and Jesus is the propitiation for mankind's sins, to name a few. Any group that does not profess to believe these statements cannot be accurately called evangelical. -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. " 223,2,"From: 93gke@williams.edu (Greg 'Going Blank Again' Ennis) Subject: Soundblaster v2.0 drivers for Win 3.1?? Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu Hi all, could someone please tell me if there are drivers for windows 3.1 for the new soundblaster 2.0. Or will the 1.5 drivers be sufficient? I would be appreciate any info. Thanks, Greg Ennis 93gke@cs.williams.edu " 224,13,"From: anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) Subject: HYPOGLYCEMIA Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: adcs01.fnal.gov Keywords: 40 BLOODCOUNT DANGEROUS? Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo- glycemic? TIA. Anthony Anello Fermilab Batavia, Illinois -- " 225,4,"From: bruceg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce Gimble) Subject: built in video Article-I.D.: geraldo.1pqt5nINN605 Reply-To: bruceg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce Gimble) Distribution: usa Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: sneezy.cc.utexas.edu Originator: bruceg@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu I have MANY questions for all you experts out there pertaining to apple's built-in video. #1, Do all macs that have built-in video have the ability to use VGA monitors? #2, If so/if not, which macs have this capability? #3, Can they drive SVGA as well? #4, how big of a vga monitor can they drive? #5, how can you tell if an unlabeled monitor is VGA? By the pinouts? if so, what should it look like? Particularly, i'm interested in knowing if the si or ci drive VGA, as well as the LC's capabilities in driving VGA/SVGA Thanks!!! " 226,6,"From: wsyu@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wei-Yun Yu) Subject: Windows 3.1(new) for sale $35 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 4 I have a Windows 3.1 package for sale. New stil in shrink wrapped. I am asking for $35. I will consider to trade a used 1.44M floppy drive. Leave a message if interested. " 227,6,"From: teskey@plains.NoDak.edu (Dr. Snake Voivod) Subject: OS/2 2.0 & Extended Services For SALE ***CHEAP*** Article-I.D.: ns1.C5sMIp.n1C Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu For Sale: OS/2 2.0 Extended Services - * Extended Database support * Extended Networking Support * Remote Host support * Extended Communication Support PLUS! A copy of OS/2 2.0. The ES package is brand new and uninstalled, all manuals, disks, etc. are included. The ES package retails for $495 with OS/2 2.0 selling for $79 or something like that. I'll let both of them go for $200. My needs changed thus eliminating my need for the package once I bought it. If Interested, please Email me at: Mark Teskey teskey@plains.nodak.edu ============================================================================ Mark W. Teskey o/ INTERNET: teskey@plains.nodak.edu <| stayin' UUCP: ...!uunet!plains!teskey / > alive! ============================================================================ -- Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in! -- " 228,3,"From: randy@msc.cornell.edu (Randy Ellingson) Subject: ISA bus: SCSI or IDE??!! Reply-To: randy@msc.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell University Lines: 38 Wow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think it's great! However, I think that some people (such as myself) would benefit from answers to the simple(?) question: Which would YOU choose, and why? Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and what I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller card on my ISA 486-50. I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range. And I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head) about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit). I believe I'm getting something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according to NU). How would this number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)? Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost? Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD? And how much would it cost? I actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook up a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb/sec. Actually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and own the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port). Is this SCSI port a SCSI-2 port? How could I tell? Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2? Are all SCSI HD's SCSI-2? Thanks for any comments. Randy " 229,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: ESPN sucks: OT or Baseball? Guess which. Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 10 Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock? Gimme a break! Where does ESPN get these BRILLIANT decisions from? Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 230,8,"From: blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Lines: 15 Gregory Humphreys (gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote: Greg, I'm very new to motorcycles. Haven't even bought one yet. I was in the same position about you. How do you learn if you've never ridden. I took a class put on by a group called the Motorcycle Safety Foundation in California. They might have something similar in Washington. Try calling a motorcycle dealer in your area and asking. It's a good first start on how to ride a motorcycle correctly. " 231,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr15.144826.4607@bnr.ca> moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: >: >> >Just a thought of mine here: >: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1 >: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. >: >> >On-hook = LED on >: >> >Off-hook = LED off. >: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. >: >> >: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the >: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. >: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. >: > >: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an >: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think >: >there's something wrong with the cable. >: > >: >: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when >: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the >: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on >: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector. > >If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just >make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but >it's something like 100mA or more?) Careful now folks... Also consider the 90VAC+ @20Hz that is forced on ring and tip when the phone's supposed to ring! Even with a simple zener and LED setup, you might end up with some carbon real quick. Whatever scheme you use, make sure you've got at least 200V-rated components on the frontend. Also remember that, if I'm not mistaken, the phone line is a 600ohm equivalent circuit. Any current you draw from the 48V or so gets dropped across that 600ohms. That's fine until you're down to roughly 12V, when Ma Bell considers it to be off-hook. But dropping it that far down is probably a big no-no. The easiest implementation to accomplish the above?? tip ------->|-----\/\/\/\-----+----------+ rectifier resistor | | diode | \ V / zener /---/ \ resistor | / | | | V LED | --- | | ring --------------------------+----------+ This is only a suggestion...go ahead and blow holes in it, but you get the idea. Choose a high-efficiency LED so you don't need much current to get it to light up. Choose values for the other components as required. aaron " 232,3,"From: edm@wrs.com (Ed McClanahan) Subject: Re: 1280x1024 on ATI Ultra w/ Nanao 550i Nntp-Posting-Host: chaos Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. Lines: 22 mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: > its functions to position/size images at various > resolutions> I thought this was a neat feature until I noticed that when an image is re-sized, the scanning frequency is necessarily changed. This causes digital multiscan monitors like my MAG MX17F to get confused as to which mode to use if the frequency gets too far from the standard selections. For this reason, I use the ""factory defaults"" for position/size on the ATI card and adjust each mode individually (only the first time) at the monitor. The MAG (and many other multiscan monitors) has (have) the ability to recall these settings the next time each mode is ""detected"". -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Edward McClanahan edm@wrs.com " 233,7,"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Waxing a new car Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com I just had my 41 Chrysler painted. I was told to refrain from waxing it and to leave it out in the sun!! Supposedly this let's the volatiles escape from the paint over a month or so (I can smell it 15 feet away on a hot day) and lets any slight irregularites in the surface flow out, as the paint remains a little soft for a while. " 234,19,"From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [Fallaciously] ANSWERED (Judas) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 82 I produced an error last week about CHORION: >> (By the way Mr DeCenso, you really should have looked in the index of your >> Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon. You would have found that the word in >> Acts for ""lot"" is ""kleros,"" not ""CHORION"" as stated by Mr Archer, and nowhere >> in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to ""Theological Dictionary >> of the New Testament"" by Bromley, is the meaning ""burial plot"" discussed. It >> discusses the forms of ""kleros"" (eg: kleros, kleroo, etc), and the various >> meanings of ""kleros"" (eg: ""plot of land,"" and ""inheritance""), but mentions >> nothing about CHORION or ""burial plot."" (Why does this not surprise me?) Thus >> it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped Archer as a reference). > > I was wrong. I admit that I do not have a handle on Greek grammar, and thus > confused ""kleros"", the second to last word in Acts 1:17 as being the plot of > land discussed. In actuality it is ""chorion"", which is the last word Acts > 1:18. Unfortunately my Greek dictionary does not discuss ""chorion"" so I > cannot report as to the nuances of the word. I abhor publishing trash (I abhor it of myself even more than I do from others, but since I do not present myself as an authority on the subject, I do not feel dishonest, though I do openly admit ignorance and incompetence in this example). Thus I felt honor bound to do a better set of research specifically on the word. First it should be noted that Greek grammar is not as tough as I first assumed (it is not nontrivial by any means, and I still am not competent with it, but it is not as opaque as I had thought). It turns out that while the Index for the Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich ""Greek Lexicon"" renders each verse in order, each word within a verse is put in greek alphabetical order. Thus while the the meaning of the verse is decipherable, the syntax is far from clear. On the other hand, a Greek-English Intralinear Bible makes things a lot more comprehendable. And yes, the word for field in Acts 1:18 is indeed ""chorion."" Now I've checked several Greek-English lexicons: ""Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" Louw and Nida ""Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"" ""Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" Grimm ""Word study Concordance,"" Tynsdale ""A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Writings,"" Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich ""The New Analytical Greek Lexicon,"" Perschbacher In each case the meaning of the word Chorion was given variously as: A space, place, region, district, field, area, ""country place,"" land, farm, estate, ""a bit of tillage"", and similar meanings. Nowhere do any of these books mention anything about ""grave."" As some of these books go into great detail, I would be very surprised to find that these books are all inadequate and Mr Archer is the only competent scholar in Greek. I think it more likely that Mr Archer's investigations into ""contradictions"" to be once again, as your friend said it, ""lacking in substance,"" and thus Archer is again shown worthless as an expert witness (By the way Mr DeCenso, I would have honorably presented my results on this matter, even if I had found them to support Mr Archer's contentions). By the way, among these lexicons, (eg: Robinson's) is the definition of ""agros,"" the word used in Matthew 27 to describe the field bought. The word ""agros"" is defined as ""a field in the country."" Chorion is specifically noted as a synonym to agros. This is significant, as it is evidence of how silly Bullinger's exegisis was, which stated that the word for ""field"" in Matthew (ie: agros) is different from the word for ""field"" in Acts (ie: chorion), and thus we must be talking about two different fields (Of course you already admit how stupid Bullinger's exegisis is, but this was a small serendipity which drives the point home). So as of now, unless Mr DeCenso show compelling reasons to believe otherwise (eg: a reputable scholar with reputable references), I consider this particular issue closed. See Mr DeCenso, now you can go on to answer questions about the denials of Peter, the day of the Crucifixion, Tyre, and the fact that the author of Matthew quoted from the wrong prophet in discussing the ""Potter's Field."" Later, Dave Butler Precise knowledge is the only true knowledge, and he who does not teach exactly, does not teach at all. Henry Ward Beecher American Clergyman as recorded by George Seldes " 235,9,"From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) Subject: Re: Astros Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Distribution: usa Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 63 In article <15APR199311534452@rosie.uh.edu> st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.) writes: >In article , marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes... >> 2) Astros relief corps holding together. If Doug Jones keeps his changeup >> effective and Xavier Hernandez can be effective, then it's passable. >> There's no reasonable left-handed help, and the middle relief is iffy. >> Tom Edens was expected to take over the Joe Boever setup man role, but >> he's been injured, and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway. >> Houston thought that Boever would demand too much money, so they let him >> go. Doug Jones can lose his touch - he went from Cleveland's all-star >> closer to the minors in a pretty short span. > > From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the ^^^^^^ >club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of >players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have >another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West. No argument at all with Murphy. He scared the hell out of me when he came in last year. On the other hand, the club though enough of Boever to put him into an awful lot of games (he may have led the league in appearances - he did at least at some point). He seemed to be a very viable setup guy - but I guess that's not considered that crucial by the club. I can just remember two years ago so well, though... ... > The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the > club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting > on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to > assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually > starts the season very strong. I'm not that concerned. Those guys have been relatively consistent over the years and they have no good reasons to decline (no injuries, not old, ...). I expect them to come through just fine. It's those guys that have not been consistently good that are the worrisome part, even if they are coming through right now. > * * * * * * > > On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning >next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be >(blech..) traditional grey, with the word ""HOUSTON"" written across the >chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate >the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so... This sounds like their old road unis. Pretty dull. Buttons or pullovers? I'll check through my uniform book to see if they've always had some orange. > I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound >horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They >may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of >wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it. Well, we'll see. I've got a Astros pullover shirt with the ""Astros stripes"" across the shoulders and I have trouble making myself wear it in public. i can see why they might want that to change. Gee, if they eliminate the orange, will they reupholster the seats in the Astros stripes section (what used to be the gold and yellow levels - I don't know those numbers they use now). I saw a pinstripe version of an Astros cap and I actually thought it looked good! -- Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX) DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189 " 236,2,"From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ) Subject: Canon buble jet printer? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 Hi, Can somebody tell me how much is Canon BJ200? And from where can I buy it for the cheapest price? Thanks in advance.. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** _m_ _ 0___ \ _/\__ |/ ////// \ /| | | /-_-|_--_|--/ o | 0 0 | o " 237,10,"From: georgeh@gjhsun (George H) Subject: Re: President Trophy winner missing playoffs ??? Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: gjhsun.cl.msu.edu jstrangi@hora.seas.upenn.edu (Jim Strangio) writes: >In article <13APR93.17376172.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB000) writes: >When was the last time a President's Trophy winner fell to last place >the following year? A long time, I'd bet. >-- Well I think it in 1969 the Montreal Canadians finished 1st (although there was no President's cup in those days) and missed the playoffs in 1970. I do recall that the 1970 playoff picture wasn't decided until the final day, when the NY Rangers defeated the RedWings. The tie-breaker was the number of goals for (if I remember correctly), so the Rangers played with an empty net for the entire game. Some Hab loyalists accused the Wings of 'throwing' the game to keep them out, but as I recall, Gordie and Delvecchio had the flu, so coach Sid Abel sat them out, and the Rangers swarmed the RedWings most of the night. " 238,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Clinton caves in: reduces jobs bill Organization: ACME Products Lines: 11 Clinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill. Word is he's paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money). Chalk one up for holding the line on spending. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 239,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Can't Breathe Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 15 [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)] >While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other, >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or >by applying pressure on the pubic bone... Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral vertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine. It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a lumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone, break it? No, don't tell me, I don't want to know. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 240,11,"From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP Organization: Physio-Control Lines: 48 In article 29778@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >>In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of >> >>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >>CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. > >Read the Constitution yourself. The Second Amendment says the right to bear >arms shall not be infringed, so a well regulated militia may be more easily >formed. I have an interpretation of the Second that shows there are no >qualifications to the right to keep and bear arms. If you want, I can E-mail >it to you. By the way, gun talk belongs in talk.politics.guns. > Doug Holland Mr. Ward, before you start blathering about your skill ""interpreting"" the Constitution, it might be helpful to learn to read. After a review with a high school English teacher emphasizing participial phrases, you might start with the Second Amendment, and follow it up with: 97th Congress, 2nd Session, Committee Print, *The Right To Keep and Bear Arms*, of the Subcomittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, Second Session, February, 1982. GPO No. 88-618-O This authoritative, heavily researched and annotated document clearly turns your ""interpretation"" into specious claptrap, which is a polite way of saying utter bullshit. In spite of your false assertion to the contrary, the Second Amendment DOES protect the right of the individual citizen, in his capacity as an individual, to keep and bear arms. And, Mr. Holland, IMHO, blatantly and harmfully false information, asserted as fact and globally distributed, deserves globally distributed rebuttal in the forum in which it is posted. (And besides, this site doesn't carry t.p.g...:-) harryb%phred@data-io.com phred!harryb@data-io.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. --Thomas Jefferson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 241,12,"From: leblanc@cvm.msu.edu (Pat Leblanc) Subject: wireless data transfer Organization: Michigan State University, College of Veterinary Medicine Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: inst0027.cvm.msu.edu I am involved with a Michigan company that has an application requiring wireless data transfer. If you have expertise or information that may assist us in this project, please contact me (INTERNET: leblanc@cvm.msu. edu). " 242,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: A Scoop of Waco Road, Please Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com Keywords: topical, smirk Your ""lite"" posting for the day, from rec.humor.funny: In article , bellas@tti.com (Pete Bellas) writes: > > There is a new Ice Cream Flavor inspired by the incident at Waco. > > It's called Mount Caramel, it's full of nuts but you can't get it out > of the carton. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 243,9,"From: texdude@cs1.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) Subject: Ryan rumor... Article-I.D.: cs1.texdude.734914692 Organization: Bradley University Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.bradley.edu This just in... Nolan Ryan hurt his right knee in the 4th inning of the Rangers-Orioles game last night. He'll be having arthoscopic surgery that will, at best, keep him on the DL for two to five weeks. Just when I had almost convinced myself that the Rangers' rotation would stay healthy this year... Phil Allen texdude@cs1.bradley.edu " 244,16,"From: pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: cisco Lines: 58 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com Originator: pitargue@cisco.com In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes: |> |> Do you Rambos who worry so much about rape and murder in the |> wilderness also carry your guns all the time at home too? You |> should, since you're in a hell of a lot more danger there than |> in the backcountry. when does carrying a tool classify someone as a rambo. so all the pioneers that came west were rambo's? adrienne!!! :-) |> |> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God |> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about? |> |> I can sort of understand the people who want to protect themselves |> from bears and such, although there are, what, maybe a dozen or |> two bear attacks on people in North America each year? But to |> worry about being raped by some buck-toothed Bubba in overalls |> is just irrational. I think we'd all be a lot safer if all the |> videocassettes of ""Deliverance"" were gathered up and burned. would your tune change if you were one of the ""dozen or two bear attacks""? believe me, when you need a firearm, you NEED a firearm. |> |> Public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely |> have your gun stolen, use it yourself on a family member or |> have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal. please cite your references. i'll let others (please note followup) cite valid references to show you that this is an untruth. |> The Rambo warriors we've heard from here undoubtedly consider |> themselves exempt from this statistical reality -- they're much |> too smart and responsible. Living in a city where there's a |> drive-by shooting every couple of days, and working in a medical |> center where a day doesn't go by without a shooting victim coming |> into the ER, I'm just a bit skeptical about the value of gun |> ownership. I go to the backcountry to get away from this |> environment, and I don't want to find other people there who |> insist on bringing the urban environment along with them -- boom |> boxes, computers, or guns. well, you might as well go naked. forget the matches, backpack, sleeping bag and all the rest that's is a modern convenience. a firearm is just a tool. as some people won't carry gaiters, some people do. firearms should be in the same category. it should be a personal choice. and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw cars. |> |> Please post flaming responses to rec.guns.rabid >:-( |> - J. Gever, B'ham, Ala. marciano pitargue@cisco.com " 245,6,"From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds) Subject: Sega Genesis + games for sale Keywords: sega, genesis, games Organization: Stanford University, California, USA Lines: 11 I have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games: Sonic the Hedgehog (I) Revenge of Shinobi Thunderforce III I'm asking $160 OBO. I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, by phone at: (415) 497-3719. Alexander Hinds " 246,4,From: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Paul Peak) Subject: FOR SALE: 2 4MB 80ns SIMMs Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu I have two 4 meg SIMMS that I am trying to sell. I had them in my LC. I would like to get $100 for each one. They are only three months old and have a lifetime warrenty. They are 80ns simms. I will also consider other reasonable offers. Please E-Mail me. Dave Internet: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu AOL: skibum7 247,5,"From: trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite) Subject: Re: REPOST: Accelerators/Translations Keywords: Accelerator, case Organization: Alsys Group, San Diego, CA, USA Lines: 75 In sdennis@osf.org writes: >I posted this a while ago and didn't receive one reply, and now we >have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out? The problem is that Motif uses XGrabKey to implement menu accelerators, and these grabs are specific about which modifiers apply. Unfortunately, the specification for XGrabKey doesn't allow AnyModifier to be combined with other modifiers, which is exactly what would be desired in this case: ""Ctrl Anyq"". >In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says ""For information >on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4..."", this is so you >know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to >Vol. 4 it says, ""Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is >nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For >example, the translation: > Shiftq: quit() >will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as >the Shift key (and the q key). This is true for accelerators and mnemonics, which are implemented using event handlers instead of grabs; it's not true for menu accelerators. If you're a Motif implementor, I'd suggest lobbying to get the Xlib semantics changed to support the feature I described above. Otherwise, change the documentation for menu accelerators to properly set the user's expectations, because menu accelerators are NOT the same thing as translations. >Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry? If you mean ""menu accelerator"", no it's not possible. That's according to the definition of the XmNaccelerator resource in the XmLabel manual page. >Keep in mind when answering this question that when using Motif you >can't use XtInstallAccelerators(). I can't think of a reason why not. >How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of >case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one >menu entry. There is a workaround for Motif users. In addition to the normal menu accelerator you install on the XmPushButton[Gadget], set an XtNaccelerators resource on the shell (TopLevel or Application). Install the shell's accelerators on itself and all of its descendants with XtInstallAllAccelerators (shell, shell). For example, applicationShell - mainWindow - menuBar - fileCascade -- filePulldown - openPushbutton - exitPushbutton *openPushbutton.accelerator = CtrlO *openPushbutton.acceleratorText = Ctrl+O *exitPushbutton.accelerator = CtrlQ *exitPushbutton.acceleratorText = Ctrl+Q *applicationShell.accelerators = #override\n\ CtrlO: PerformAction(*openPushbutton, ArmAndActivate)\n\ CtrlQ: PerformAction(*exitPushbutton, ArmAndActivate) You have to write and add the application action PerformAction, which you can implement by using XtNameToWidget on the first argument and then XtCallActionProc with the rest of the arguments. I tested out something similar to this. To shorten development time, I used TeleUSE's TuNinstallAccelerators resource to install the accelerators on the shell, and I directly invoked the Open and Quit D actions instead of asking the pushbuttons to do it for me, but the more general approach I described above should work. -- Trevor Bourget (trevor@telesoft.com) " 248,10,"From: drozinst@db.erau.edu (Drozinski Tim) Subject: Re: Ulf and all... Organization: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, FL USA Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.db.erau.edu layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes: >In article <1pdlksINNmq7@GIRAFFE.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> wuziyun%suned@cs.yale.edu (You wanna know?) writes: >> >> >>Let me give my two cents worth in this whole thing: >> >> I am very sick of Pittsburg fans(and they are my second favorite team) >>talk about how "" why can't Bruins forget about Ulf Samuelsson when we have >>forgotten all about Adam Graves"" Beside the obvious fact that Lemeuix's career >>was never endangered by Graves' slash while Neely is still bother by his injury, >>I think the most important reason is: >> >> ADAM GRAVES HAS PLAYED CLEAN HOCKEY EVER SINCE! WHILE ULF SAMULESSON >> CONTINUES TO PLAY DIRTY(YES, TRYING TO HIT A PLAYER WHERE HE'S INJURED >> IS DIRTY). FANS HAVE CAN FORGET ABOUT ONE DIRTY PLAY BUT HOW CAN YOU >> FORGET ABOUT ULF SAMULESSON WHEN EVERYNIGHT, WHEN I WATCH HOCKEY HIGH >> LIGHTS, I GET REMINDED OF HOW DIRTY HE IS. >Hitting a player when he's injured is dirty? Can you explain this statement? >Do you mean a player who was just injured on the ice(?) or do you mean a player >who is playing hurt. If a player is hurt he should not bother playing because >I don't belive ANY PLAYER should be let up on just because they are playing >hurt. >I'm not an Ulf fan but at least I can spot the fact he is like Calgary's >Theoren Fleury in the respect that part of his game is to really piss other >players off as that's part of his job (But he lacks Ulf's size!). I AM an Ulf (and Pgh) fan, and what pisses me off about the whole Adam Graves/ Ulf Samuesson debate is that Ulf plays hard-hitting hockey (nothing wrong with that) while Graves does what he does when the only way to win a game is to intentionally hurt someone (which bites!). >Players that REALLY piss me off are the ones who insist on hitting from behind >or try to go for the knees to injure the players. This kind of garbage has >got to go (I would really like to see Muni get pasted as he is one of the >worst offenders). I thought they had instituted all kinds of new rules this season to stop crap like that?!? Is it just me, or does the officiating just still stink to high heaven? IMHO, if they could get rid of the existing refs, and institute a new system with more than one ref on the ice to keep an eye on the trouble-makers then a lot of these things would stop, and then the game would be ruled by the finnesse players: Mario, Selanne, Bure, Messier, et.al... >Just my $0.02. > Colin Layfield | ""Religion and Sex are power plays, > | Manipulate the people for the money they pay, > The University of Calgary | Selling Skin, Selling God > Computer Science | The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!"" > layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | - Queensryche Tim Drozinski Embry-Riddle Aero. Univ. drozinst@erau.db.erau.edu " 249,15,"From: tbrent@florin.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 26 In article jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) writes: >So we see that we are masters of this planet. It IS ours to care for and >ours to look after. We will be judged on how well we do this task. >C.) We are not to be in the business of spreading lies. What we tell >others we must be sure is true. We should check out the information, >verify it with scientific fact and go from there. ^^^^ Just what are these ""scientific facts""? I have never heard of such a thing. Science never proves or disproves any theory - history does. -Tim ______________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, | | BRENT@bank.ecn.purdue.edu | only when he accepts that he is but a | |=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. | | PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza | | MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] | |_______________________________|______________________________________________| [I hope we don't get embroiled in a discussion over words here. When somebody says ""get the facts"", I'm not sure we need to get into arguments over the philosophy of science. --clh] " 250,3,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: how to search for bad memory chips. Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) writes: >i came upon this idea i would like to share with everyone. > >to check for bad memory chips > >1. create a boot disk with emm386 himem.sys and ramdrive.sys in the > config/autoexec.bat. > >2. boot the PC to create a RAM drive as large as possible. > >3. use a disk repair utility ( I use NDD ). Run it on the RAM > drive, yes it will run, its only a device driver > >4. run 1000 or so passes, they go very quick > >5. if your machine fails, there is a definate bad memory chip > >6. if your machine passes, there is a conflict with programs you > are loading in memory. ... It's an interesting idea, but the worst-case data patterns developed to test magnetic media are totally different than the patterns used to detect common faults in memory chips. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 251,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 19 In article , dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes: > Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon > homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot > of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged > to develop ""non-promiscuous"" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks > put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual Such as? Not being able to get married isn't a roadblock to a permanent relationship. Lack of a marriage certificate doesn't force a couple to break up. This is an excuse used by homosexuals because the alternative is to ask why they are so much more promiscuous than straights. > Dan -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 252,12,"From: schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu Subject: Grounding power wiring, was Re: a question about 120VAC outlet wiring Lines: 163 Nntp-Posting-Host: auvax1 Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City NY There has been quite a bit of discussion about house wiring and grounding practices here. A few points need to be clarified: The Equipment GROUNDING conductor, Green, green with a yellow stripe, bare, or the metal sheath or pipe of SOME wiring methods, is used as a safety ground, to carry fault currents back to the circuit breaker panel, and to limit the voltage on the metal case of utilization equipment or other metal objects. It should never (except for a few exceptions to be discussed later) carry the normal operating current of a connected load. Some equipment has filters in the power supply which may cause some slight current flow through the grounding conductor. Much communications or audio equipment is sensitive to noise or slight voltages on the grounding conductor, and may require special wiring of the grounding conductors to provide reliable operation (""orange"" outlets are often used for this, with insulated grounding conductors wired back to the panel box, and in many cases back to the service. Anyone installing such a system should read both the section on grounding in the National Electric Code and publications on installing quiet isolated ground systems. The code requires the insulated grounding conductors (green wires) to run with the current carrying conductors back to the panel box, and, if required, back all the way to the service entrance , where it is bonded to the service ground (water pipe or rod) Many of these systems are installed illegally or unsafely, where they do not provide a safe ground or a quiet ground or either. The GROUNDED conductor of a circuit, often called the NEUTRAL, which is referred to in the code as the ""identified"" conductor and is supposed to be white or natural grey. This conductor is supposed to be connected to ground in most electrical systems at a single point, generally at the service entrance panel. This connection is through the Main Bonding Jumper. (In many household service panels, the main bonding jumper is actually a bonding screw which attaches the neutral busbar to the case of the panel) The Grounded conductor (neutral) is generally a current carrying conductor. In the case of a 120 volt circuit it is one of the two conductors completing the circuit from the panel to the load device. Since the grounded conductor (neutral) is only connected to the grounding conductor (bare or green) at the service entrance, if the load is any distance from the service and draws any significant current, there will be a small but measurable voltage between the grounded and grounding conductors at the load, under normal operating conditions. If you should (incorrectly) connect the grounded (neutral) conductor to the grounding conductor at the load, some of the neutral current will flow instead through the grounding conductor. Since there will now be current flowing through the grounding conductor, it will also no longer be quite at ground potential at the load end. If the load equipment has a metal case, which is connected to the grounding conductor through the ""U"" ground plug, the metal case is now also no longer quite at ground potential. The difference (under normal, non short-circuit conditions) may be only a few tenths of a volt, but it could also be a volt or two. This normally does not present a shock hazard. HOWEVER, if you let the metal case of the grounded equipment come into contact with an independently grounded object such as a water or gas pipe, a radiator, a metal air conditioning duct or such, part of the neutral current will try to flow through this aalternate ground path. If the contact is not solid, you will get a significant arc (a low voltage, but possibly moderate current arc) Under the wrong conditions, this arcing could start a fire. It is possible in some cases that the sneak ground current could also flow through a wire of inadequate size, causing it to overheat. With the incorrect non single-point grounding of the neutral, if there is a short circuit from hot to neutral, the high short circuit current which may flow will cause a much higher voltage on the grounding conductor, which increases the possibility for shock or fire. Also if you incorrectly multiply connect the neutral and ground, the voltage on the ground system is seen as noise bu computer or audio equipment, often causing malfunction. I have spent some hours tracking down such shorts in technical facilities where they were inducing severe hum into equipment. The Neutral is usually bonded to the ground at the distribution transformer as well as at the service entrance of each dwelling. This is done primarily for lightning protection, so that induced lightning currents have a short path back to ground, and also to assure that the currents drawn by shorts to grounded objects like pipes draw enough current to trip circuit breakers or blow fuses quickly. The bad side of this is that not all the neutral current from the dwelling goes through the neutral wire back to the transformer. Some of it flows through the grounding electrode (water pipe, etc.) this may cause corrosion in the pipes and possibly in things like underground fuel oil tanks, and it may also cause measurable AC magnetic fields due to the large loop between the ""hot"" conductors in the service and the neutral current in the water pipe and ground. There are those who feel these fields may be unhealthy. (don't flame ME on this, I'm just telling you where the field comes from, not it's health effect, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this.) Note that the bonding jumper is only installed at the main panel, NOT at any sub distribution panels. This is one reason why it is illegal to run service entrance cable with the sheath used as a neutral to a sub panel, you must have a seperate insulated conductor for the neutral. The sheath can be used in this application only as the groundING conductor. If the neutral is bonded to the grounding conductor in the sub panel, say by forgetting to remove the bonding screw, all the grounding conductors of the loads on that panel will be above ground, with the possible problems listed above. The code makes exceptions for ranges and dryers, as well as feeds from one building to another. In the cases of the range and dryer, the neutral may be used as the equipment ground under certain conditions, instead of a seperate wire. Every time the code is revised, these exceptions come up for review. These exceptions were, in fact the first required safety grounds, in the days before U ground outlets and such. The appliance manufacturers don't want to have to redesign their ranges and driers, and the contractors don't want to have to run four wire cable (with four fairly heavy, expensive wires) in place of three wire to the appliances. No question it would be safer with seperate neutrals to the stove, but the neutral current is low for most burner settings (since most current is in the 220 volt ""hots"" except at some low settings, the wires are large gauge, and there are few reported cases of injury or damage. So far, the exceptions have survived. In the case of feeds between buildings, it's primarily for lightning protection. People doing wiring should be aware what is and what isn't a legal grounding conductor. Obviously, the bare wire in ""romex"" 'with ground' is. Anywhere there is a green wire installed, such as in a portable cord, that is a good grounding conductor. The sheath of BX clamped in BX connectors in metal boxes is a legal grounding conductor (in the US). (BX has an aluminum band run under the steel sheath to lower the resistance of the sheath. You can just cut this aluminum band off at the ends, you don't have to bond it to anything, it does its job by touching every turn of the BX sheath.) Conduit or EMT (thinwall tubing) is generally a legal grounding conductor, but may require a bonding locknut where it enters a box or panel, particularly for larger pipes. ""Greenfield"" (looks like big BX, but you pull your own wires in the empty sheath after you run it) is NOT a legal grounding conductor, as it doesn't have the aluminum band to bond it, and the spiral steel has too much resistance and inductance. You have to run a seperate green grounding conductor inside the greenfield. ""Wiremold"" is also not a legal grounding conductor, as the paint on the boxes often prevents good contact, and the ""feed"" to the wiremold extension is often from a box in the wall that may not be well connected to the first wiremold box. I have personally discovered cases where the entire run of wiremold and the cases of everything plugged into all the outlets on the run were ""hot"" with 120 volts (Why do I get a shock every time I touch my computer and the radiator here in the office?) because there was no ground wire in the wiremold and one of the outlets had shorted to the edge of the wiremold box. You must run a ground wire back in the wiremold from the outlets at least to the first box in the original wiring (conduit, BX, etc.) where you can ""bond"" the wire to the box with a screw, bnding clip, or whatever. On another issue, while you should ground the green wire/lug on GCFI outlets when ever there is a place to ground them, it is legal in the NEC to use them without a ground if no ground is available. It is better to have the protection of the Ground fault interrupter than no protection if you don't install it. The interrupter doesn't depend on the ground to trip. It is desirable to connect the ground if available, because if the ground is connected, the interrupter will trip as soon as a faulty device is plugged in, whereas without the ground, it will not trip until someone or something provides a ground path. For those questioning the legal use of ungrounded GCFI's, read in the NEC, 210-7 (d) exception. (This is the 1990 code, my '93 code is in the city, but I know the rule hasn't changed. It might be renumbered though.) We have only touched the surface concerning grounding ;-} , there is much more to this subject, but most of you have fallen asleep by now. John -- ******************************************************************************* John H. Schmidt, P.E. |Internet: schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu Technical Director, WBAU |Phone--Days (212)456-4218 Adelphi University | Evenings (516)877-6400 Garden City, New York 11530 |Fax-------------(212)456-2424 ******************************************************************************* " 253,9,"From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] ma_ind25@blurt.oswego.edu wrote: : I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player : Also, Mordaci Brown back in the early 20th century. He was a pitcher whose : nickname was ""3 fingers"" Brown....for obvious reasons....he had 3 fingers. 0 for 2, ma_ind25. Daniel Patrick Staub is a Catholic school kid from Nawlins, Mordecai Brown a farm kid (probably Protestant) from somewhere in the Midwest. He lost those fingers in a farm machinery accident. Jim Palmer isn't Jewish himself, but Mr. Jockey Shorts's adoptive parents are. Also, I'm not absolutely certain that Carew actually converted. His wife and children certainly are Jewish. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen " 254,7,"From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged Distribution: usa Keywords: bad drivers Lines: 27 > I agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass, you might > not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don't want to > give them that one car-length, when they should just wait like you are. > BUT, if you're one of those people that just sit's behind the person, and > doesn't flash them with the high beams, or pull left and flash them, or > ride their bumper, or otherwise tell them that you *do* in fact want to > go by, and you're not just drafting them, then get the hell out of the > way of someone who will! I especially hate it when you flash someone at > the back of a line and they don't 'pass it on'. > And there's also the issue of some cars being more intimidating to get > people out of the way than others... (For instance '85-'86 GTs look > pretty mean in a rearview mirror at night with the foglights on... :^) > There have been plenty of times when I've broken up a pack that a > second-in-line hyundai has been behind for miles... You just need to > know how to get their attention... I'd like to see you use this method on a couple of semi drivers. If they see you, they usually acknowledge by sticking their hand out the window with their middle finger extended. Because it is also obvious to them that there is no clear lane ahead. H.H.M. " 255,11,"From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) Subject: Suggestions for escrow agencies (was: Re: More technical details) Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov Organization: New Technology, Inc. Lines: 53 ( Below is my response to Dr. Denning's letter to Steven Bellovin. Comments are invited. - Paul ) In alt.privacy.clipper, Steve Bellovin posted your message to him, which included a brief passage concerning selection of agencies as escrow agencies. I am glad to see that the proposal as written states that the escrow agencies won't be law enforcement agencies. I would argue, however, that *one* of the escrow agencies shouldn't be federal at all. As a private citizen, I would feel much more ""secure in my person and papers"" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or overtly controlled by the government. Of those federal and federally funded candidate agencies that you mentioned, I have the following comments: - SRI, Rand, Mitre, and national labs: I agree that they have great experience safeguarding sensitive information. I am not convinced that they would adequately safeguard _this_ information, since in any case requiring disclosure, there's likely to be sigificant pressure for disclosure- possibly *wrongful* disclosure. - GAO: perhaps. I would like to see more concrete evidence of their fidelity and ability. - *TREASURY*? Surely you're joking. Perhaps you'd ask BATF to safeguard keys. Maybe the Federal Reserve would be a better choice. Ever since last fall's ""trial balloon"" was posted in sci.crypt, your name has been synonymous with those who place a great deal of trust in the ability of government agencies and agents to act within the law. I agree with you in part: those agencies and agents *almost always* act properly. However, there have been enough cases where _sworn agents of the Federal Government_ have acted wrongly to make me feel that having two federal agencies as key repositories is unacceptable. Respectfully, -Paul Robichaux (not speaking for NTI, BCSS, or NASA) -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | HELP STOP THE BIG BROTHER CHIP! NTI Mission Software Development Div. | RIPEM key on request. " 256,15,From: dohertyl@dcs.gla.ac.uk (dohertyl) Subject: (none) Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Distribution: uk Return-Path: X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5 Lines: 2 I AM Satan! 257,13,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: quality control in medicine Lines: 7 Does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total quality management, quality control, quality assurance in the delivery of health care service. I would appreciate any information. If there is enough interest, I will post the responses. Thank You Abhin Singla MS BioE, MBA, MD President AC Medcomp Inc " 258,3,"From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) Subject: Re: DCC and MiniDisc: next DAT/DDS like st Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] ST002560@brownvm.brown.edu wrote: : As far as I can tell, the MD is an offshoot of technology that already exists. : It is an MO drive. MO drives exist already for computers. They're expensive : and a bit slow, but the disks are cheep (128 mb disks). Dan. I read a recent article in Personal Computer World mainly about the new digit audion formats (DCC and MD) but at the end talked about how nice it would be to use these for data storage with a brief calculation of how much data you could store. The author had been talking to someone from Sony about these formats and mentioned this to get the reply ""MD is a purely audio format, we wouldn't use it for data"", then when pressed for info about MO the Sony man basically admitted that it was no more than a slight adaptabtion on MD! What I think the original poster was wanting was MO drives at MD audio player prices. I'd assume that the problem here is that an MD system can have higher tolerances than an MO system as the ear doesn't pick up the occasional bit error as well as an archiving program! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- david shepherd: des@inmos.co.uk tel: 0454-616616 x 625 inmos ltd, 1000 aztec west, almondsbury, bristol, bs12 4sq ""They didn't like the rates, they don't like the poll tax, and they won't like the council tax."" - Nicholas Ridley " 259,9,"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: best homeruns Distribution: rec Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 5 On two separate occasions I saw Dick Allen (back when he was Richie) homer at Shea off the middle of the black centerfield hitter's background screen. I think both shots would have traveled 500 feet. Jay " 260,4,"From: panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) Subject: Re: Whats this ""Thermal Recalibration"" on Quantum Drives ? Summary: Thermal recalibration on hard drives Article-I.D.: acs.93Apr06.172811.42754 Distribution: na Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca In article <1993Mar26.195307.25146@midway.uchicago.edu> gary@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >Whether the drive is hooked up to the computer or not, the LPS240 >makes a ""disk seek noise"" every 20 seconds. This is consistent >and will continue as lomg as the drive is powered up. Even if >I disconnect the drive from the computer, this ""drive activity"" >continues at 20 second intervals. > >Someone tried to tell me the drive was doing a ""Thermal Recalibration"". > >Not knowing beans about the internal physical workings of the lastest >disk drive technology.... I guess I might believe anything. > >Whats the scoop on this standalone ""drive activity"" every 20 sec? I can only comment on thermal recalibration in general. Some new drives perform it in order to increase overall integrity of data writes. Basically, the firmware instructs the actuator to perform a test to see if the data tracks are within a certain physical tolerance, since when the media heats up or cools down, *some* track drift is inevitable, and the drive has to monitor it. This becomes especially critical at very high recording densities, and so was used primarily on very large-capacity mechanisms, but it seems to be finding its way into more smaller drives as a way of boosting the drive's long-term reliability and MTBF ratings. I first became aware of thermal recalibration when it was pointed out that the technique conflicts with prolonged write times when digitizing, say, audio or video to hard disk. Some manufacturers explicitly state that drives with thermal recalibration are NOT to be used for applications that have prolonged disk writes. Hope this helps. Victor " 261,14,"From: rdl1@ukc.ac.uk (R.D.Lorenz) Subject: Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk >Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks >for sounding rockets? Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the tanks big enough. Working out how much cold gas is another problem, depending on vehicle configuration, flight duration, thruster Isp (which couples into storage pressure, which may be a factor in selecting tank wall thickness etc.) Ralph Lorenz Unit for Space Sciences University of Kent, UK " 262,8,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Hell-mets. Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 56 In article <217766@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > > > Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting >about 20% ""Don't sweat it"", 78% ""You might think about replacing it"" and the >other 2% ""DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!"" > > Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it >about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to >screw up the actual shell. I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet or higher, maybe not. > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might >have some minor damage? I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged. > Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly >disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being >bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint >(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with >good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the >Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a >much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not >being careful where I set it down. Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap. > Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as >tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it. Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet... Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 263,4,"From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) Subject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade? Organization: NSWC Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr15.164053.29298@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek) wrote: > > In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > > > >A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on > >the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card. So far no responsed that > >I've noticed. Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade > >paths: Cost, efficiency, pros/cons, etc.. Thanks! > > Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent > copy of MacWorld or MacUser. My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant > comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows: > > 25 MHz 68040 > 16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower > than Q 950 style machines for sure). > Ethertalk card on-board > Audio in/out > 4 MB RAM on motherboard > 4 SIMM slots > 2 NuBus slots. > More flexible build-in video than the CI. Uses VRAM. > > In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you > audio or ethernet or the same video options. > With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I > think it ends up costing more. > > Greg Dudek Actually, an accelerator such as the Daystar 33 MHz 68040 is cheaper than upgrading to a Q700 (25 MHz). The accelerator costs about $1400 whereas the upgrade costs $2131 (just quoted from my dealer). However the Q700 upgrade gives you very fast built in video that supports monitors up to 21"" with 8 bit depth and up to 16"" at 24 bit depth (with additional VRAM). It also has a SCSI port capable of a much faster throughput than the CI, which makes a big difference if you have a fast hard drive. If the improved video and SCSI features are important to you, you're better off getting the Q700 upgrade, otherwise save some money and get an accelerator. Paul " 264,4,From: egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) Subject: A StyleWriter II question Nntp-Posting-Host: miniac.etu.gel.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval Lines: 3 I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each time I want to print something??? 265,7,"From: hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi) Subject: Re: Honda Accord Brake Problem Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 32 Joni Ciarletta writes > My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now > all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem > I am experiencing is with my brakes. They still stop the > car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal > will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself. If feels really > strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of > these days. > > I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the > fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil). I called > my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder, > which will cost me a whopping $250-300. You are not alone. My '79 Honda Accord with 110,000 miles on it started showing the same behavior. I replaced the brake master cylinder myself. It took about an hour and cost about $45. Sure beats paying $300 to have someone else do it! If I wanted to rebuild my own master cylinder instead of putting in a rebuilt one, it would have cost only $20 to $30 for the rebuild kit. The Honda brake master cylinder is easy to get to. Two bolts attach it to the engine compartment. Two brake lines enter the master cylinder. The tricky part was that the brake lines were stuck tight. My Craftsmen open end wrench rounded off the bolt heads! I had to use Vise Grips to loosen those suckers. Wow! Best invention since sliced bread. After that it was very easy. Bolt the new part in place, add new brake fluid, and bleed the brakes. This is quite easy even for a beginner. My local auto parts store had a repair manual for the Honda Accord; it had detailed diagrams of the master brake cylinder and a step-by-step procedure for replacing it. " 266,19,"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 19 In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All >of which is subjective. > >-jim halat This deserves framing. It really does. ""[Atoms] aren't even real."" Tell me then, those atoms we have seen with electron microscopes are atoms now, so what are they? Figments of our imaginations? The evidence that atoms are real is overwhelming, but I won't bother with most evidence at the moment. -- *************************************************************************** * mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu * Never program and drink beer at the same * * M^2 * time. It doesn't work. * *************************************************************************** " 267,3,"From: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca Subject: How is a Loopback connector made? Organization: University of Western Ont, London Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca Lines: 9 I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the serial port. Thanks for any help. Steve " 268,18,"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic? Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: >There is a deeper reason. Taxes, by their very nature, are un-American. >One need only look at the birth and history of the US to see this fact. So that's why the 13 newly independent states all had tax systems... --Tim Smith " 269,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 21 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid y!)) says: > >Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that >AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? Absolutely. Lewis didn't care for the 1921 O.T.O. charter from Reuss. He had in mind something completely diferent. Crowley and Lewis were very different persons, as you probably know. >.. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin >off of AMORC?? No. My overstatement, sorry :-) >>Study Harder, >Study Smarter, not Harder! :-) > I ALWAYS DO. " 270,8,"From: jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) Subject: bike for sale in MA, USA Keywords: wicked-cool Organization: ClickTech, Tyngsboro, MA Lines: 15 I've recently become father of twins! I don't think I can afford to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of the Harleys is going. 1988 883 XLHD ~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife's bike :-) 4speed, chain secondary, laced wheels, buckhorns, tachometer, saddlebags & supports, sissy bar, SE high-flow air cleaner dark candy red $3700 --- Jeff deRienzo jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us " 271,9,"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article , kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? There is NO TEAM, repeat, NO TEAM, that is America's team. This is a diverse country with 26 MLB teams (+2 up north) and there is no one team that is America's. Who would the other teams belong to? And how does it happen? Well, teams receive this monicker through success (Cowboys), national exposure (Cubs), or both (Braves). It spreas aby successful advertising campaigns. Harry Caray, Ted Turner, amd other dupe people into thinking that their representative teams are ""hip"" so that people will watch them on TV and buy their products. Arrogant local fans adapt the monicker and think that ""their"" team is the one that America idolize It comes down to dollars and egos. P. Tierney " 272,4,"From: mbuntan@staff.tc.umn.edu () Subject: Where can I get the cheapest price? Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 9 Hi all: Does anyone know where I can get the cheapest price for the Teleport Gold fax modem by Global Village? Any answer will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards, Thian. " 273,7,From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea? Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 7 I'm thinking of buying a new Dodge Intrepid - Has anyone had any experiences that they'd like to share? Thanks. BobC 274,13,"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 32 In article <1qk6v3INNrm6@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes: > >Gordon Banks: > >>a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I think all >>of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the fluctuations >>in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. Unfortunately, >>I'm not one of them. >> >> >This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is >a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to >be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not >put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet/exercise >more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the >extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but >smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid >that this method will stop working someday, but usually >I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check. >This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion >of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting >(that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle- >dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change. As mentioned in Adiposity 101, only some experience weight rebound. The fact that you don't doesn't prove it doesn't happen to others. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 " 275,0,"Subject: Re: Bill Conner: From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 17 In article bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position >statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my >name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what. > >Bill Could you explain what any of the above pertains to? Is this a position statement on something or typing practice? -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 276,2,"From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) Subject: MathCad 4.0 swap file Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 3 I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be happy with this, or insist on a swap file? " 277,9,"From: C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Organization: University of Missouri X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr14.222601.21160@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > > >After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies >started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've >heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that >season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in >mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the >Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I >hope this season is MUCH different. > I don't. --Shannon ""Cardinals fan"" Kohl " 278,9,"From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Chuck Bo-Buck... McMath) Subject: Re: Giants' GM Quinn *is* a genius! Organization: Ross Perot Ear Admiration Society Lines: 37 In article <80416@apple.apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) wrote: > > mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Chuck Bo-Buck... McMath) writes: > > > > >""When the Giants protected Mike Benjamin (career average .160) ovre pitcher > >Pat Rapp, there were surprised looks in the Bay Area > > >Benjamin's stats: .333/.364/.571, 42 ab, 14 H, 4 doubles, 2 dingers. > > >And Rapp's even been sent down to AAA. So it's even *better* than that, > >eh? > > Of course, the protected list was done by the OLD regime, not the new, so > this is Rosen's baby, not Quinn's. > > And I'll tell you what. Let's look at this again at the end of the season, > and, say in three years, and see who the genius is. One of the more > braindead decisions by the OldGiants, IMHO. Even if Benjamin DOES improve > markedly over the past (and his hitting is better) he's never going to be > more than a utility/backup IF. Rapp might turn into a top-flight arm in > another year. I think the next time I post something like this, I obviously need to make the sarcasm a bit more obvious... chuck |- chuck mcmath - mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov - MSD, Inc. ---------------| |- National Library of Medicine - National Institutes of Health -----| |- Bethesda, MD 20894 ----------- No noose is good noose ------------| |- ""Hey batter, hey batter, hey batter, swing"" - Anon. --------------| |------------ This opinion influenced by cosmic radiation -----------| " 279,12,"From: suwanto@iastate.edu (zapper) Subject: Re: 2SC1096, 2SA634 specs? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 35 >Could some kind soul post me the max power/voltage/current ratings of >2SC1096 and 2SA634 transistors, their conductance types and pinouts. >They are used in the sweep portion of a TV set. 2SC1096 Maximum Ratings: VCBO = 40V VCEO = 30V IC = 3A PC = 10W (T=25C) ICBO max = 1uA VCB = 30V COB = 55pF at Q-point VCE=5, IC=1A --> hfe = 100 2SA634 Maximum Ratings: VCBO = -40V VCEO = -30V IC = -3A PC = 10W (T=25C) ICBO max = -1uA VCB = -30V COB = 75pF at Q-point VCE = -5V, IC = -1A --> hfe = 100 That's all i can get from my data book, hope that helps. suwanto@iastate.edu " 280,2,"From: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl (Anton de Ruiter) Subject: ??? TOP-30 WINDOWS applications ??? Organization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands. Lines: 36 Hello everybody, I am searching for (business) information of Windows application, to create a TOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers and Fax programs, etc.. Please mail me all your information or references. I will summaries the results on this media. Thank you in advance, Anton de Ruiter. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ __ |Digital Equipment Corporation | | /_| __ /_ _ __ __/_ /__) ./_ _ _|WorkGroup Products (WGP) | |/ |/ /(_ (_)/ / (_/(-' / \ (_//(_ (-'/ |OBjectWorks (OBW) | | |Ing. 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Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu Went to the Dodgers game tonight -- it was cap night. Astacio pitched ok, but had control trouble all night. In the first, he walked a batter, balked him to second, then a single scored the run, with the batter taking second on the throw home. Another single made the score 2-0 Cards. Lasorda tried a new line up featuring Butler, Reed, And Piazza batting third! Darryl and Eric were benched in favor of Snyder and Webster. Piazza homered in the first to make the score 2-1 Cards. The Dodgers tied the game in the second on a two out single by Offerman. By the fourth inning, Astacio had already made about 80 pitches, but the score was still 2-2. The Dodger defense made SEVERAL impressive plays. Piazza looked GREAT behind the plate, gunning down a runner trying to steal second, throwing a runner out at first who had strayed a bit from first base, etc. Karros also made a spectacular play, keeping a ball from going into the outfield. The runner on first was so sure that ball was going through, he just kept running past second. Karros got up and threw to third and EASILY got the runner at third. My heart sank in the 7th when Gross got up to warm up in the bullpen. Astacio was lifted for a pinch hitter, and when Gross entered the game with the score still 2-2, Dodger fans just KNEW it was over. Gross was relieving because he stunk on Tuesday, pitching just 2 1/3 innings, forcing Lasorda to use much of his bullpen. The 15 inning game had the same effect the next night...so only Gross was fresh given his light work out Tuesday. Gross lived up to his name. He walked the first batter, gave up a hit to the second, and walked the bases loaded. After a grounder resulted in a force at home, Zeile lifted a scoring fly ball to make it 3-2 Cards. Gross paid little attention to the runners, and the next thing you knew, the Cards had stolen a fourth run. The runner on first was eventually tagged out in the run down, but the 4th run had scored long before that. Meanwhile, the Dodgers mounted little offense after the second inning. Lee Smith pitched the ninth. He had little trouble getting Karros and Wallach (does anyone have trouble with Wallach these days?). Cory Snyder collected his first hit as a Dodger, a single, but that was all the offense the Dodgers could mount. Smith got his third straight save against the Dodgers and all I got was my free Dodger cap and a good look at Piazza. If Piazza keeps this up all year, he will be a strong candidate for rookie of the year honors. Though its really early, Karros is already showing signs of a sophomore jinx year. The final score...Cardinals 4 runs on 7 hits. Dodgers 2 runs on 7 hits. Dodger " 282,6,"From: worsham@aer.com. (Robert D. Worsham) Subject: Tektronix Equipment: Color Terminal, Printer, Rasterizer & Supplies Summary: Tektronix Equipment/Supplies for sale Keywords: color, printer, terminal, rasterizer, tektronix Organization: Atmospheric & Environmental Research, Inc. Lines: 27 For Sale: Tektronix 4208 Color Terminal Tektronix 4510A Rasterizer Tektronix 4692 InkJet Printer Tektronix 4692 Printer Extras (all Tektronix products): Paper (> 3 boxes) Transparencies (> 2 boxes) Maintenance Cartridges (2 cart) Magenta Ink Cartridge (1 cart) We would like to sell as a single lot, and preference will be given to offers for the entire list. All offers accepted, best offer gets the equipment. -- Bob ____________________________________________________________________ Robert D. Worsham (Bob) | email: worsham@aer.com Atmospheric & Environmental Research Inc. | voice: (617) 547-6207 840 Memorial Drive | fax: (617) 661-6479 Cambridge MA 02139 USA " 283,15,"From: loisc@microsoft.com (Lois Christiansen) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: Microsoft Corp. Lines: 37 In article FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu wrote: > This subject was beaten to death on bit.listserv.christia recently, > until Madge stepped in and closed the topic. It has been discussed > since privately in e-mail amongst their participants, and I've > received some of it. A fairly large file (approx. 18 KB) of comments > made on the March On Washington was among these. If it hasn't been > posted here already (I don't know; I just scan through this > newsgroup, as at 1200 bps, I couldn't possibly read it all), I would > be glad to send it along. I believe that it would be of interest to > people here. > > > I hope that anyone who remembers seeing Rev. Troy Perry's > ""performance"" at the 1987 March On Washington will see for themselves > just how inconceivable it is to mix Christianity with homosexuality. > > Sean Patrick Ryan****fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals, that are spirit-filled believers, not MCC'rs; before you go lumping us all together with Troy Perry. The Lord IS working in our community (the homosexual community, that is). He's not asking us to change our sexual nature, but He is calling us to practice the morality that He established from the beginning. Isn't Satan having a hayday pitting Christian against Christian over any issue he can, especially homosexuality. Let's reach the homosexuals for Christ. Let's not try to change them, just need to bring them to Christ. If He doesn't want them to be gay, He can change that. If they are living a moral life, committed to someone of the same sex, and God is moving in their lives, who are we to tell them they have to change? That's my two cent. God Bless You All Loisc " 284,15,"From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) Subject: Doing the work of God??!!) Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 33 As our local.religion.christian BBS group seems moribund, I'm posting here. On one of the Sundays just before Easter I went to church. The sermon was based on a story in the Book of Joshua. (The one about Joshua sending out spies to the land he was planning to take) What I particularly remember, because of having heard part of a CBC radio documentary on Bosnia, was that the Rahab (the woman who sheltered the spies) said that the people were ""melting in fear."" What with having heard that CBC radio documentary and knowing that the Muslims in Bosnia were losing the war, I felt uncomfortable. After all, the Serbs are driving non-Christians out. On the other hand, ministers do say that the Bible is opposed to the values held by our secular society. Anyhow members of that church are involved in out-of-country missionary work. Also, the pastor has talked of spiritual warfare and of bringing Christ to the nonreligious people of our area. The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing God's work? [The example of God's people setting out on bloody wars of conquest has always been troubling in discussions here. I personally question whether they were right even at the time. But those who believe they were consider that the wars were justified only because they were specifically commanded by God. Somehow I don't see the Serbs behaving like a group that is led by God in this matter. --clh] " 285,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500342:000:6673 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:49:00 1993 Lines: 130 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. /* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Madness."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's paper, affiliated with Maariv. Date: 19 February 1993 Journalist: Guy Ehrlich Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan (Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate within the occupied territories. Excerpts from the article: ""A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one way or another insane"". A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking. The following article will contain all the horror stories recounted with an appalling openness. (...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only there I become normal.(...) (...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother. It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off something. Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab, blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know what to say. (...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it. We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too, so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we felt the whole day very badly. (...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in. This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel Godlike of sorts."" (...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ? Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to Bosnia in order to fight there."" Transl. by Israel Shahak. " 286,2,"From: miket@empros.com (Mike Tipton) Subject: Character Codes Problems Reply-To: miket@empros.com Nntp-Posting-Host: sbb1.empros.com Organization: Empros Power Systems Control, a division of Siemens EA Lines: 15 Help! I am working on a project that involves using text with foreign language characters (in this case Norwegian). I have been manipulating the data with Excell 4.0 and then exporting the data as comma seperated variable files to an RS6000 workstation. The Norwegian characters show up fine under Windows, but appear as ""funny"" characters on the workstation. The workstation is setup for national language support and we have problem entering the Norwegian characters from the workstation keyboard. On further investigation I found that the character codes used by Windows are different (for these characters) than those specified by the MSDOS code page. The MSDOS codes seem to be the same as the workstation. What gives, and how can get around it. Please reply by E-mail as I will be out of the office the next few days and will not be reading the news. Thanks. " 287,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 17 In article , gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > Kaldis writes: > #The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was > #presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court > #apparently found this compelling. > > Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and > they are not prostitutes. Do they have a history of working in massage parlors, and telling co-workers there that they are prostitutes? Do they frequent truck stop parking lots at 4:00 AM, without ID on any sort? > -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 288,1,From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi) Subject: 3d studio works changes!!!! Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Lines: 28 hi guys like all people in this group i'm a fans of fractal and render sw my favourite are fractint pov & 3dstudio 2.0 now listen my ideas i'have just starting now to be able to use 3dstudio quite well so i'm simulating a full animation of a f1 grand prix unfortanatly just some lap(10?) i' m very interested about all kind of .prj .3ds and so on concerning about cars or parts of its (motors wheel ...) (dxf are good enough) does anyone have object to give me to complete my hard animation anyway any exchanges about object material project will be VERY APRECIATE!!!!! is there a ftp site where I can find its? i' m looking for .pov files too (i 'm interested about cpu time comparision rendering images on pov & 3dstusio) thank to all email me at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it 289,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Lines: 42 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr15.053553.16427@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: |>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes: |>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: |>>} |>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the |>>} insurance (it's a negative option, you have to explicitly decline |>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ... |>> |>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more |>>of their money taken from them to pay for others' health care... |> |>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is voluntary Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of collection effectively makes it a tax. |>... but like ""basic plus"" cable, you have to tell them that you don't |>want it ... for example, Hutterite colonies in western Canada are not |>part of it (Mennon and Hutter were fundamentalist Protestants from |>Germany whose followers left for the New World ... Mennonites are a |>very diverse lot while Hutterites are similiar to the Amish). The |>American idea being floated today gives you no option but to live |>off the land ... |> |>>the selfish bastards that they are. unfortunately, that number has |>>diminished recently, but once President Pinocchio gets through |>>with us, i hope for a reversal of trend. Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush ""selfish Bastard"" ecconomy has done to the country. Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselves, thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle class. Phill Hallam-Baker " 290,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 23 In <1993Apr16.091202.15500@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I >asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for >years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging >ADB devices with the power on. The problem is that the pins in the ADB connector are close to each other, and if you happen to bend the cable a little while inserting it, you short the ADB port. If you take it to an Apple Repair Centre, that means a new motherboard (though a component replace IS physically possible) Same goes for serial ports (LocalTalk as well) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This article printed on 100% recycled electrons. " 291,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 108 In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: [stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted] >The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power The Mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the SHO. >plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications. >I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a >brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I Its hard to predicatbaly drift a stock Mustang because of the suspension. >personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is >inadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of >the car is not up to par. Yes. When i think Mustang, I think school-bus + F16 motor. In my mind the Mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80-90 or so. It just isn't safe, check out your local junkyard, Mustangs outnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in junkyards. I find it astonishing the CU or somesuchlike has not jumped on the Mustang for poor brakes in relation to power. Ford should at least standardize on the SVO rear brakes for all 5.0's. > >I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in >mind. It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much >cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these >cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them >drivable at high speed. This should be elementary. > >There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought >it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe >the following to be true: > >1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here. True of Northern Europe, latin countries are something else. >2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than Kindof true. remember they were build by adolf in the '30's. > they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them > far more predictable than most US highways. Yes. >3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have ""Autobahn"" is the german word for freeway. Other countries have different names for loose equivalents; autostrada, autoroute, motorway etc. > speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in > the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not > much higher than 120km/h. Europe did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit. It hasn't passed as far as I know. typical speeds in western europe are much higher than the US. Law enforcement is negligible in my experience (comapred to the US) as there is no revenue enhancement motivation. The things you really notice are the higher speed differentials, and the more professional attitude to driving. You just never see two cars running parallel at 55.1 mph oblivious to all around them. > >I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph >(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people You're wrong. GTI's go this fast. Just kind of noisy, not the ideal autobahn car. A lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers foot on the floor. How do I know? - when you're not making any ground on the identical car in front of you! >have no respect for their own lives. If something happens at 130-150 you're dead, but the same goes for much over 35. Driving at high speed forces you to concentrate. I feel much safer driving 130+ on the autobahn than 60-80 in typical US traffic because most people seem to be awake. I've never seen any driver reading a book on an autobahn, I see it all too often in the US. Craig It just doesn't *seem* fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation. everybody drives that fast, no big deal. Craig > >>>You certainly haven't convinced me. > >> Of course not. ""Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. >>I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother."" You had your mind made up >>already. > >If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings. > >jim frost >jimf@centerline.com " 292,11,"From: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Nntp-Posting-Host: unix.ka9q.ampr.org Reply-To: karn@servo.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: |> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and |> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. |> |> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that |> administering ""truth serum"" would be ruled a violation of your right |> not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference? You can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment related Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment protections to what they call ""testimonial"" evidence, as opposed to physical evidence. The whole question would hinge on whether a crypto key would be considered ""testimonial"" evidence. I suppose arguments could be made either way, though obviously I would hope it would be considered testimonial. Phil " 293,2,From: jenkinch@ccmail.orst.edu Subject: Re: Adaptec SCSI Device Driver for Win3.1 Organization: University Computing Services - OSU Lines: 1 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jenkinsc.ads.orst.edu 294,2,"From: moor9881@mach1.wlu.ca (Dwayne Moore u) Subject: SOUND BLASTER ver 1.5 UNDER WINDOWS 3.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 35 [ Article crossposted from comp.speech,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.os.linux ] [ Author was MARIO LAURETTI ] [ Posted on Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:44:24 GMT ] I Have a Sound Blaster ver 1.5 When I try to install driver ver 1.5 (driver that comes with window 3.1) It tell me to upgrade my card first!!!???? Now, I have found new drivers from Creative labs. But I have problems installing it: After removing the vsbd.386 (old version that come in windows) After installing Creative Sound Blaster - MIDI Synthesizer I try to install Creative Sound Blaster 1.5 Wave... But when I am in the menu: Add Unlisted or Updated Driver and double click on this driver, I have this error: --------------------------Driver Error--------------------------- Cannot load Creative Sound Blaster 1.5 Wave and MIDI driver. The driver file may be missing. Try installing the driver again, or contact your system administrator. Yes, yes, yes, I have read the README.1st and try every thing! can somebody help me?? Mario Laureti internet: laurm00@tohi.dmi.usherb.ca " 295,17,From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Argic Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You are brain damaged. That hate of++0B1FATransfer cancelledf yours courses through your sick body like poison. It's just a matter of time. Your fate is sealed. --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo 296,14,"From: Lawrence Curcio Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Organization: Doctoral student, Public Policy and Management, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Let's see. These aren't, in a strict sense, amateur rockets. That term denotes rockets, the engines of which are constructed by the user. The rockets you describe are called HPR, or high power rockets, to distinguish them from (smaller) model rockets. They use factory-made ammonium perchlorate composite propellants in phenolic plastic engines with graphite nozzles. The engines are classified by impulse. A ""D"" engine, for example, can have no more than 20 newton-seconds of impulse. An ""F"" engine can have no more than 40 ns. Each letter corresponds to a doubling of the maximum impulse. So far, engines up to size ""O"" are available pretty much off the shelf. Engines of size H and above are shipped as Class B explosives, and as such are controlled. Engines of size F and below are shipped as Class C explosives, and are not as controlled. Class F engines, BTW, are not HPR engines, but model rocket engines. (Class G engines go in and out of legal limbo.) There is an HPR Society, The Tripoli Rocket Society, I believe, which holds events at various sites throughout the year, with all legalities (FAA waiver included) taken care of. The National Association of Rocketry is more concerned with engines below H, though it is involved in HPR as well. These societies certify users of HPR rockets, and companies will not sell to uncertified individuals. Bottom Line: It's legit. I suggest you send for a catalog - but forget the dynamite, will ya? -Larry C. " 297,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 37 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <1993Apr26.123918.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) writes: |> |> I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The |> hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit |> static color visual. I would really like to have the server just |> present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be |> acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: |> |> 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. |> 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. |> 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the |> translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. |> |> Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these |> limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff |> floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write |> the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, |> but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary. |> Even 24Bit TrueColor machines are in most cases running an emulated 8 bit PseudoColor visual, only to get standard x clients, motif apps and thelike to run. I strongly suppose you to emulate at least: > 24 Bit TrueColor. Should be no problem, only some translation. Rounding should not make big misfits > 8 bit PseudoColor. More of a problem, you have to emulate a colormap, pixel indices, conversion stuff. Furthermore, you should run your default screen on this visual. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 298,11,"From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) Subject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. Distribution: na Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 60 In article <1qsvfcINNq9v@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > > The following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert >my comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom: > >> White House Announcement on Screw Thread Standards >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> This is to announce that the American National Standards >>Institute (or whatever it is) has been given the authority to define >>standard dimensions for screw threads. > > Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our > own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought, > tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use > screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously* > define for us. [Sarcastic text deleted, No value judgement implied] > Screw you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >amolitor@nmsu.edu | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or >Screw Threads | see the screw thread servers. >must be freed! | >------------------------------------------------------------------------ At first I was going to complain that your analogy was completely irrelevant. But then I remembered something. Remember that move to get the U.S. to the metric system all those years ago? As far as I know we were supposed to be there by now. The government sold it as better for the people, easier to be in tune with the rest of the world. They had decided it was for our own good. Then, when the plan was released, it soon became apparant that the government were a bunch 'o' thickies. Think about it, change all the railroad track widths, signs, screws, abolish the old regime. At the cost of millions of dollars. Your point is well taken. You think there is nothing to worry about, you could care less who designs your cryptography, any more than who designs your screws or the system of measurement you use. Sit back, that's right, just relax, we'll take care of all your needs Mr. Molitor. -- uni@acs.bu.edu -> Public Keys by finger and/or request Public Key Archives: Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past.<>Fight Clinton's Wiretap Chip! DF610670F2467B99 97DE2B5C3749148C <> Crypto is not a Crime! Ask me how! " 299,18,"From: starowl@bolero.rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) Subject: Re: How many heterosexuals are there? Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Reply-To: starowl@a2i.rahul.net X-Header: IGNORE ignore Ignore IgNoRe this line Organization: D Service Actuarial Consulting Lines: 11 kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >_TOO_ many. Agreed. We need more folks to admit they're bi. -- Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Champaign, IL / southeast AL ""THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves."" -- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E) " 300,17,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: No humanity in Bosnia Keywords: Barbarism Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 47 In <1993Apr15.135934.23814@julian.uwo.ca> mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi) writes: >It is very encouraging that a number of people took so interest in my posting.I recieved a couple of letters too,some has debated the statement that events in Bosnia are unprecedented in the history of the modern world.Those who contest this statement present the figures of the World War II.However we must keep in mind that it was a World War and no country had the POWER to stop it,today is the matter not of the POWER but of the WILL.It >seems to be that what we lack is the will. The idea of the U.S, or any other nation, taking action, i.e., military intervention, in Bosnia has not been well thought out by those who advocate such action. After the belligerants are subdued, it would require an occupation force for one or two generations. If you will stop and think about it, you will realize that these people have never forgotten a single slight or injury, they have imbibed hatred with their mother's milk. If we stop the fighting, seize and destroy all weapons, they will simply go back to killing each other with clubs. And the price for this futility will be the lives of the young men and women we send there to die. A price I am unwilling to even consider. >Second point of difference (which makes it different from the holocast(sp?) ) is that at that time international community >didnot have enough muscle to prevent the unfortunate event, There is no valid comparison to the Holocaust. All of the Jewish people that I have known as friends were not brought up to hate. To be wary of others, most certainly, but not to hate. And except for the Warsaw uprising, they were unarmed (and even in Warsaw badly out-gunned). It is very easy to speak of muscle when they are someone else's muscles. Suppose we do this thing, what will you tell the parents, wives, children, lovers of those we are sending to die? That they gave their lives in some noble cause? Noble cause, separating some mad dogs who will turn on them. Well, I will offer you some muscle. Suppose we tell them that they have one week (this will give foreign nationals time to leave) to cease their bloodshed. At the end of that week, bring in the Tomahawk firing ships and destroy Belgrade as they destroyed the Bosnian cities. Perhaps when some of their cities are reduced to rubble they will have a sudden attack of brains. Send in missiles by all means, but do not send in troops. >today inspite of all the might,the international community is not just standing neutral but has placed an arms embargo which By all means lift the embargo. >is to the obvious disadvantage of the weeker side and therefore to the advantage of the bully.Hence indirecltly and possibly >unintentionally, mankind has sided with the killers.And this,I think is unprecedented in the history of the modern world. Which killers? Do you honestly believe they are all on one side? >M.Rizvi > REB " 301,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: $1bil space race ideas/moon base on the cheap. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.150437.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu That is an idea.. The most efficient moon habitat.. also the idea of how to get the people off the moon once the prize was won.. Also the idea of how to rescue someone who is ""dying"" on the moon. Maybe have a area where they can all ""see"" each other, and can help each other if something happens.. I liek the idea of one prize for the first moon landing and return, by a non-governmental body.. Also the idea of then having a moon habitat race.. I know we need to do somthing to get people involved.. Eccentric millionaire/billionaire would be nice.. We see how old Ross feels about it.. After all it would be a great promotional thing and a way to show he does care about commericalization and the people.. Will try to broach the subject to him.. Moonbase on the cheap is a good idea.. NASA and friends seem to take to much time and give us to expensive stuff that of late does not work (hubble and such). Basically what is the difference between a $1mil peice of junk and a multi $1mil piece of junk.. I know junk.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 302,8,"From: rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA Lines: 21 In-Reply-To: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk's message of 15 Apr 93 08:54:34 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: oasun1.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: > The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to > the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was > driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I > calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the > window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). > > Did I do the right thing? Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun and blow you away. ================================================================== | Bob Mugele (Jungle Bob) | Email: rmugele@oracle.com | | Senior Computational Linguist | Phone: 214-401-5875 | | Oracle Corp. | Moto: '81 GS450ES '87 Concours | | Irving, Texas | DoD#: 283 | | If vegetarians eat vegetables, beware of the humanitarians | | --Dr. Bob | ================================================================== " 303,8,"From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times Nntp-Posting-Host: eugene.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 17 In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes: >(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times) >Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 >carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws >tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that >on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside >fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time. You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it happen before. Matthew " 304,12,"From: hughes@jupiter.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes) Subject: Manual for Eprom Blower (Logical Devices Prompro-8) Wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.ral.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I have an eprom blower made by Logical Devices and the model name is Prompro-8, but I have lost the manual. Does anyone have a spare manual that they would like to sell ? Declan Hughes hughes@ral.rpi.edu " 305,10,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? <1993Apr18.100640.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> Lines: 9 In Detroit, the octopus is a symbol from the old days of the league. In the era of the Original 6, four teams made the playoffs. To win the Cup, a team had to win two seven-game series - in other words it took 8 playoff wins to win the Cup. The octopus (8 legs) has become a common Detroit symbol. Every year around playoff time people start sneaking octopus (octopi?) into the Joe Louis Arena and throwing them onto the ice. J. Old e-mail: JOLD@vma.cc.nd.edu " 306,2,"From: rcaldrn@med.miami.edu (Richard Calderon) Subject: Re: moving icons Nntp-Posting-Host: epistat.med.miami.edu Organization: University Of Miami, Medical School Lines: 17 kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) writes: >I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away >from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name >of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) As I remember it, the name of the program your looking for is called icofrite. Cica was where I saw it last. It was quite a while ago. ********************************************* Richard Calderon: rcaldrn@epi.med.miami.edu* University of Miami School of Medicine * Information Systems Computing * 1029 NW 15 St. * Miami, Florida 33136 * ********************************************* " 307,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: HELP: is my monitor dying??? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu It sounds like a MAGNAVOX with a sick flyback on its way out! -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 308,6,"From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: Forsale: Sony D-22 diskman Article-I.D.: phakt.1pqm89INNja1 Distribution: na Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Newsgroups: rec.audio,misc.forsale Distribution: na Subject: Forsale: Sony D-22 diskman " 309,8,"From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland. Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: lister-06.cs.strath.ac.uk that's okay, he's perfectly welcome to come to Scotland you know ;-) " 310,4,"From: jmg14@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Graham) Subject: Re: 14"" monitors Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt447$n3r Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Joseph M. Kasanic writes: >Just thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD- >1304 because of several manufacturing flaws. The new model is now the >1430, which just like Apple's new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches. >I'm not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools >bookstore >and can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of >defect or another. I'm assuming that you are referring to the 1304S, correct? What kind of flaws have been reported? I've been using mine for about 6-7 months now, and I haven't noticed any problems. Might they develop later, or did I get lucky and snag a good monitor? Just Curious, john -- ******John M. Graham*********************** ******The Cleveland Institute of Music***** ******jmg14@po.cwru.edu******************** Brought to you by the letters J, M, and G, and the number 14. " 311,4,"Distribution: world From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: DESI PB upgrade Lines: 9 Does anyone know exactly how Digital Eclipse does their upgrades? Someone was suggesting to me that some chips may not be able to perform at 33MHz. Is this true, and if so, how does DESI deal with that? -David **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 312,13,"Subject: Re: Bates Method for Myopia From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C. Keywords: Bates method Summary: Proven a hoax long ago Lines: 15 Dr. willian Horatio Bates born 1860 and graduated from med school 1885. Medical career hampered by spells of total amnesia. Published in 1920, his great work ""The Cure of Imperfect Eyesight by Treatment With- out Glasses"", He made claims about how the eye actually works that are simply NOT TRUE. Aldous Huxley was one of the more ""high profile"" beleivers in his system. Mr. Huxley while giving a lecture on Bates system forgot the lecture that he was supposedely reading and had to put the paper right up to his eyes and then resorted to a magnifying glass from his pocket. book have been written debunking this technique, however they remain less read than the original fraud. cheers jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross) The Old Frog's Almanac (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group) (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Vancouver Island, British Columbia Waffle XENIX 1.64 " 313,14,"From: ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Keywords: Solar Sail Organization: Rutherford Appleton Lab, UK Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes: > >I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar > Sails I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at the meeting. Here goes : The Microlight Solar Sail ------------------------- 1. Introduction The solar sail is a well-established concept. Harnessing the pressure of sunlight, a spacecraft would have unlimited range. In principle, such a vehicle could explore the whole Solar System with zero fuel consumption. However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per square kilometer. Deploying and controlling the large area of aluminized fabric which would be necessary to transport a 'conventional' type spacecraft is a daunting task. This is why, despite the potential of hte idea, no such craft has actually been launched to date. 2.Design Recent advances in microelectronics make possible a different concept: a tiny sail just a few metres in diameter which could be controlled purely be electronics, with no mechanical parts. Several attitude control methods are feasible: for example the pressure sunlight exerts on a panel of solar cells varies according to whether power is being drawn. The key components of the craft will be a minute CCD camera developed at Edinburgh University which can act as both attitude sensor and data gathering device; solar cells providing ~1 watt power for control and communication; and a directional radio antenna etched onto the surface of the sail itself. Launched as a piggyback payload, the total cost of the mission can be limited to a few tens of thousands of dollars. 3.Missions The craft would be capable of some ambitious missions. For example: a) It could rendezvous with a nearby asteroid from the Apollo or Amor groups. Closeup pictures could be transmitted back to Earth at a low bit rate. b) It could be steered into a lunar polar orbit. Previously unobserved areas around the lunar poles could be viewed. By angling the sail to reflect sunlight downwards, polar craters whose bases never receive sunlight could be imaged. Bright reflections would confirm that volatiles such as water ice have become trapped in these locations.[Immensely valuable information for setting up a manned lunar base, BTW] c) It could be sent to rendezvous with a small asteroid or comet nucleus. Impacting at low speed, a thin wire probe attached to the craft causes it to rebound while capturing a tiny sample is a sharp-edged tube, like performing a biopsy. Returning to Earth, the sail acts as an ideal re-entry parachute: load per unit area 20 gm/m2 ensures that heat is reradiated so efectively that the sail temperature cannot exceed ~300 deg C. The material sample is recovered, enclosed in a small insulating container. Contact: Colin Jack Tel. 0865-200447 Oxford Mathematical Designs, 131 High Street, Oxford OX1 4DH, England -------------------------------- This guy would love to hear from anyone interested in this project or seeking details or anything, and would be most happy to send you more information. Andy -- ----------------------------------- Andy Jonathan J. Broderick, | ""I have come that they might have | Rutherford Lab., UK | life, and have it to the full"" | Mail : ajjb@adam2.bnsc.rl.ac.uk | - Jesus Christ | " 314,12,"From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer) Subject: New mailserver...soon...utopia-service Organization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG Lines: 9 For all those who are interested and would like to discuss the popular Secret Life..and/or other technical documentaries.. Please email me as i am starting a newsgroup -- jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox) bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand) " 315,11,"From: felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Cooperative Computing, Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 31 pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...] Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind any ""moves"" being made using this chip as a pawn. Remember, when you elect a president of the united states, it's not the case that all the Republicans, etc. in the NSA and FBI and CIA immediately pack their bags and get replaced by a team of fresh young Democrats. Most of the government -- say, 96% -- is appointed or hired rather than elected. Since this Clipper device has been in production for over six months, it probably has little or no foundation in the currently elected Democratic Executive body. >BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe >this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed >this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights >under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades >have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the >Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it >isn't too late allready. Could be. However, the sky hasn't fallen yet, Chicken Little. >-- >pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA > If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat >WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, > and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 316,4,"From: thewho@athena.mit.edu (Derek A Fong) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: alfredo.mit.edu Interestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has only 8 disks: 1. System Install 2. Kodak Photo CD sampler 3. Alice to Ocean 4. CDROM Titles 5. Application Demos 6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet 7. Nautilus 8. Apple Chronicles Has anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be getting with the external? What I really feel I missed out on is what is supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk. I have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive. I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM. any comments and experiences? Should I call Apple to complain? =) Derek thewho@plume.mit.edu " 317,3,"From: luf4695@cup.edu Subject: Re: Gateway UART chip? Distribution: usa Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA Lines: 27 In article , spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro) writes: > George A. Theall (theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu) wrote: > : In article dickyj@netcom.com (Dicky Johan) writes: > : >It seems that there are using the 16450 UART chip in the > : >machine. Is that the same as the 16550 UART chip, which has a 16-bytes > : >buffer? > > : No, it's not. According to the sales critter I spoke with last week, > : though, Gateway does use socketed chips. You should be able to find the > : 16550AFN for about $15 and upgrade the chip yourself. Minor nuisance. > > For whatever it's worth, my GW salesman said that their 16450 would do > 14.4kbps and was soldered to the board. > > Will someone with a recent GW pls settle this by inspection! > -- > Phil > ------------------------------------------- > Phil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647 MINE has a 16450 sodered right on the card. Why would you need the 16550 anyway? From what I've heard, when you're multitasking, its FIFO buffer keeps you from loosing data. Is this right? Bryan Luff Math & Comp. Sci. Cal. U. of PA " 318,6,"From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson) Subject: WANTED: The Nine-Mile Walk Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: misc.forsale Lines: 31 [ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ] [ Author was Mark Wilson ] [ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ] I am looking for the following book, which I have only seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone, and forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY indeterminate!). I am looking for one OR two copies! Title: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories (unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle) Author: Harry Kemelman (author of all the ""Rabbi"" mysteries) It's a collection of short mystery stories. Please email mark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below. Thanks! - Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 319,19,"From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) Subject: Re: BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS and Archer Nntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com Organization: Medtronic, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 41 Jenny Anderson (jennya@well.sf.ca.us) wrote: : medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous : posting, in which I wrote: : COMMENT: : Shortly after that post, I realized two things: I was running a fever of : over 102, and that I probably should not have gone directly from reading : alt.slack to posting on this august newsgroup. : >: >it is not ad hominen to point out that Mr Archer willingly prints blatant : >: lies : >: >in defense of Bible inerrancy, and thus is worthless as an expert witness. : >: Okay, Im game, give us a listing of blatant lies from _Encyclopedia of : >: Biblical Difficulties_ or other Archer writings. : >That would be interesting. If only a very short list can be generated, : >I think it is more likely that Mr. Archer, with his inerancy mindset is : >not always impartial and made a doozy of a mistake. (IMHO I also think : >that this mindset tends to generate these sorts of mistakes...) : >On the other hand, if a long list can be generated, it is more likely : >that Mr. Archer intentionally uses deception in hs books. (Why should : >he be deceptive just with Tyre?) : So, Archer is just sitting around, rubbing his hands and plotting how next : to deceive? OK, lets _see_ the list... This was an open question. I assumed that if Mr. Archer is a chronic liar, someone whould have documented it. This assumption is based on how talk.origins regulars have documented numerous cases of Creationist deceptions (such as Duane Guish and his friends). No long list of Archer mistakes has yet been given, so this may be just an isolated incident... -- Dale Skiba " 320,17,"From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) says: > >In a previous article, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) says: > >> >> How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the >>Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these >>countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic >>Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious. >> >> >> > >I thought there are no jews live in Arab countries, didn't hey move >all to Palestine? ""Only the happy jews did not move!!"" > >Would you tell me which Arab country is prohipiting the Jews from >migrating to Palestine? the last arab country was syria. but not all of them migrated due to the jewish state economical and securital dilemma! > -- ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________ (______ _ | _ |_ _____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo " 321,13,"From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: Wright State University Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes: >>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications >>has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted >>sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to >>prevent asthma); Vancenase. > > Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain. > It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect, > and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly > doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause > drowsiness. It also gave me lots of problems with joint and muscle pain. Seemed to trigger arthritis-like problems. Sue > > -- > Steve Dyer > dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 322,1,From: Ivanov Sergey Subject: Re: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Distribution: world Organization: Commercial and Industrial Group ARGUS Reply-To: serge@argus.msk.su Lines: 7 > My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this Can You report CRT and other register state in this mode ? Thank's. Serge Ivanov (serge@argus.msk.su) 323,0,"Subject: Re: Biblical Rape From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) <1p387f$jh3@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Mar29.010116.18203@watson.ibm.com> <16BA0D964.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr01.184110.33851@watson.ibm.com> <16BA4ADAC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr03.012536.18323@watson.ibm.com> <16BA6C534.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr04.225107.39364@watson.ibm.com> Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 154 In article <1993Apr04.225107.39364@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes: (Deletion) > >The thread ""Biblical Rape"" was initiated by David O Hunt. >Here is his posting: >In article <8feu_KO00XsF0kpc5p@andrew.cmu.edu>, David O Hunt writes: >|> I'm pretty sure I've seen biblical rules for when it's allowable to rape >|> prisoners, what the codes are about that, etc. Could some more >|> knowledgable soul than I please let me know some references? > >He asked a very narrow question, and I gave a very narrow answer. > Yes, sorry. I have got that wrong. My apology. (Deletion) >No. David Hunt's post didn't mention a god, nor did my response. >You were the first to bring up the idea of the Bible being ""given >by god"". Most Jews don't believe this in any literal sense. > So? No fun, but I must have met the minority then. And ""given by god"" refers to any action whereby a god god causes or better effects something. Rob, I am not intimate with Jewish theology, but I understand that you are a Messianic Jew. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that the views of Messianic Jews on metaphysics is different to that of the majority of Jews. While Jewish theology overall is quite distinct from the Christianic god views, I have heard that it is possible for Jews to attribute evil to their god, an no-no for Christians, the Bible is still seen as effect of the interaction of some god with man. (Deletion) >No. I thought we agreed that though Jews disagree, >there are a set of core beliefs that they do agree upon, >one of which is that the commandments are accessible >and written in the language of the time, and another >of which is that there must be a legal system to update them. > The context was metaphysics, even when the process of adapting the commandments is not transcendent, the justification of the process lie in metaphysic specualtion. I wonder how you break out of the shackles of having metaphysics in your system. (Deletion) >Could you explain this with respect to the original commandments >being discussed --- that is, the commandment that says if >you feel like raping a woman prisoner, you should instead >wait and marry her? What about ""the way this commandment >is given"" invalidates it? > Is is in a book that commands to commit genocide among other reprehensible deeds. The context is repulsive, and it is foul play, IMO, to invoke some relatively enlightened passages as an example for the content of the whole book. (Big deletion) >|> >|> The point is that I see that there is a necessary connection >|> between the theology you use and the interpretation of the Bible. >|> > >Only very loosely. My interpretation of the Bible is >based on a long tradition of Jewish scholars interpreting >the Bible. Theology doesn't really enter into it --- >there are Jewish atheists who interpret the laws of >charity essentially the same way I do. > No, not the interpretation of some laws, but the interpretation of the bible. As in the example that Sodom and Gomorrha mean argue with god. The whole idea that it is metaphorically and yet allows you to argue with a god (whatever that means, that alone is a theo- logic question) is proof of a theology used. >|> >You pose another metaphysical riddle! >|> >|> No, you do. >|> > >Well, you wrote this: >|> Fine. So we have some major spirit with neither absolute power >|> nor absolute knowledge. And, as it appears, limited means or will >|> to communicate with us. Some form of spiritual big friend. >|> Do you admit that using god in this context is somewhat unusual? >|> >|> Am I right in the assumption that it cannot have created the >|> universe as well? And that the passages in the Bible referring >|> to that or its omnipotence are crap? > >That's what I meant by the ""riddle"". > It is an important question in the light of what for instance the passage witrh Sodom and Gomorrha means. Either there is some connection between the text, the fact that it exists, and your interpretation of it, or it is purely arbitrary.. Further, the question is why is has one to carry the burden of Biblical texts when one could simply write other books that convey the message better. You might answer that one can't becuase some peculiar Biblical information might be lost, but that holds true of every other book, and the question remains why has the Bible still a special place? Can't it be replaced somehow? Is it ok to bargain the dangerous content of the Bible against some other message that is included as well? (Deletion) >|> Do you see the danger in doing so? Especially with the metaphers used >|> in the Bible? > >I think the danger of doing so is less than either the >danger of having a frozen system of laws, or having no laws. > Sorry, but there are worse systems does not say anything about if one could not have a better system. (Deletion) >If we >read two stories about the importance of helping the poor, >and in one God is a spirit, and in the other God has a body, >which is more important, helping the poor, or resolving >the contradiction about the corporeal nature of God? > If we read two stories in the Bible, one that god commands people to kill children for being idolaters and another where god kills children directly, what is more important to resolve, the message that children are to be killed or if it has to be done by god? And the argument you have given is a fallacy, while it may not be important in the context you have given to find out if god is corporeal or not, it can be crucial in other questions. Religious believers resolve contradictions with that they choose one of the possibilities given in an arbitrary way, and have the advantage of being able to attribute their decision to some god. One cannot resolve questions by the statement do what is good when what is good depends on the question. Benedikt " 324,3,"From: timhu@ico.isc.com (Timothy Hu) Subject: Re: Hard disk question Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO Lines: 24 In article Aovai@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Aovai) writes: >Hi, > >I just disassembled my old XT and get 2 disk drives - 30M hard drive and a >360K floppy drive. My questions are: > > -can I use these 2 drives as drives D & E on my 386SX25 ? This 386SX25 > currently has 80M hard drive, 1.2M & 1.44M floppy drives. > > -if I can, what s/w or h/w do I need ? > I would doubt that you would be able to use the hard drive. XT drives usually came in MFM or RLL flavors. I bet your 386SX has IDE drives. The two are not compatible on the same controller. However, you might be able to use the drive *with its controller* in your 386SX. You should be able to plug your 360K drive into your existing 386SX controller (I think). You might have to use the floppy controller that was used in the XT. -- Timothy Hu timhu@ico.isc.com | The intelligence (or lack of) expressed Interactive Systems Corporation | above does not necessarily reflect Resource Solutions International | that of anyone else. also:thu@grips0.uwyo.edu " 325,8,"From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) Subject: Re: Protective gear Distribution: world Organization: The Modem Palace Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes: >In article maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >>Question for the day: >> >>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei >>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap >>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, >>leather pants, what? > >I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if >you have no skin on your hands. Yup! Ruins your sex life! Tony +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ |Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | |Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | |Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | |Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | |England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ " 326,2,"From: gibsonm@cs.arizona.edu (Matthew H Gibson) Subject: WIN 3.1 comm drivers replacements (question) Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 14 Has anyone had any experience with a replacement comm driver for windows called TurboComm. I read about it in PCMag Apr 23 1993 and am interested but not willing to shell out the 45 bucks the company wants just to try it out. It supposedly eleminates the problems that occur during a high speed file transfer and a disk access made by another program running at the same time. If anyone has any pro/cons about this product, i would be very inter ested to hear them. Please Email at the address give below. THANKS. Matthew Gibson gibsonm@cs.arizona.edu . " 327,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Florida State University Lines: 26 vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) writes: > Our Moderator writes: > > > I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as > > indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view. > ... > > It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold > > it officially are the JW's and SDA's. > > I can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate > somewhere that hell might be ""the state of once having been a human > soul""? Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and his angels. To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their judgement is soon to come. Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible. Darius " 328,18,"From: blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) Subject: "" Only $17 / Month! "" X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA25085; Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:52:11 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA12308; Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:51:10 -0700 X-Received: by uiboise.idbsu.edu (16.6/16.2) id AA28928; Thu, 15 Apr 93 10:11:24 -0600 X-To: talk.politics.misc.usenet X-Cc: alt.politics.clinton.usenet X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Lines: 58 Ahhh, remember the days of Yesterday? When we were only going to pay $17 / month? When only 1.2% of the population would pay extra taxes? Remember when a few of us predicted that it wasn't true? :) Remember the Inaugural? Dancing and Singing! Liberation at last! Well, figure *this* out: 5% VAT, estimated to raise $60-100 Billion per year ( on CNN ) Work it out, chum... $60,000,000,000 / 125,000,000 taxpayers = $480 / year But, you exclaim, "" I'll get FREE HEALTH CARE! "" But, I exclaim, "" No, you won't! "" This is only for that poor 37 million who have none. Not for YOU, chum. :) That comes LATER. Add in the estimates of the energy tax costs - $300-500 / year Plus, all that extra ""corporate and rich"" taxes that will trickle down, and what do you have? $1,000 / year, just like I said two months ago. And, the best part? You don't GET ANYTHING for it. Deficit is STILL projected to rise at same rate it's been rising at, by CLINTON'S OWN ESTIMATES. And this assumes that his plan WILL WORK! I mean, come on, it doesn't take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to see that in another 2 or 3 years, we're GETTING ANOTHER WHOPPING TAX INCREASE, because the deficit will STILL be GROWING FASTER THAN the ECONOMY. All Clinton is doing, is moving us to a HIGHER diving board. Face it. Clinton is Bush X 2. In four more years, our country will be completely bankrupt, and your children's future, so oft mentioned by Pal Bill, will be gone. And those of you still deluding yourselves will be faced with the guilt. Well, , gotta go. I want to be out of here by noon. Got an appointment at the lake. No tax there, yet. :) " 329,2,"From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ) Subject: Re: How do I make GhostScript work? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 40 you Need gs252ini.zip and 24*.zip, and 25*.zip font files. You can get these from wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/msdos/postscript. I also advice you to get gs252gui.zip from CICA. It is a nice interface for ghostscript. Ghostscript is very user unfriendly. This interface makes it user friendly. For using this interface you have to get vbrun100.dll (from risc.ua.edu /pub/network/misc) copy this to your windows directory. Copy gui executables and other files to your ghostscript directory. And anter the line below to your autoexec.bat. SET GS_LIB=C:\ Now you are ready to use it. Enjoy it. In article <1993Apr16.114432.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl238405@ulkyvx.louisvill e.edu (Steve W Brewer) writes: >What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used >GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is >gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to >work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run >GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's >versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and >where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS > cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > -- ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** _m_ _ 0___ \ _/\__ |/ \ /| " 330,15,"From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: Re: Help Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group Lines: 46 In article , lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: > Hi everyone, > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I > know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our > deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, > saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?' > > Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by > themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still > saved by there faith. my $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible. Either they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else they are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough. Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are so committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can come to know someone's situation is listening to their own statements. This can be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another. > But then there is the bit which says that God > preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) > so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn' > t make any attempt to live by the bible. Regarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church (at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks about their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of concern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up). > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what > you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the > teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being ' > spat-out' Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if you catch the two meanings. I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either ""on fire for Him"" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made aware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal damnation. | ""Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."" | | ""Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."" | | (proverbs 26:4&5) " 331,7,"From: atom@netcom.com (Allen Tom) Subject: Re: Dumb options list Organization: Sirius Cybernetics Corporation - Complaints Lines: 22 In article <93Apr16.185044.18431@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you >get on a car that has no earthly use? > > >1) Power windows I like my power windows. I think they're worth it. However, cruise control is a pretty dumb option. What's the point? If you're on a long trip, you floor the gas and keep your eyes on the rear-view mirror for cops, right? Power seats are pretty dumb too, unless you're unlucky enough to have to share your car. Otherwise, you'd just adjust it once and just leave it like that. -- +-------=Allen Tom=-------+ ""You're not like the others... You like the same | atom@soda.berkeley.edu | things I do... Wax paper... Boiled football | atom@netcom.com | leather... Dog breath... WE'RE NOT HITCHHIKING +-------------------------+ ANYMORE... WE'RE RIDING!"" -- ren " 332,1,"From: mdpyssc@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (Sue Cunningham) Subject: Fractals? What good are they ? Organization: Manchester Computing Centre Lines: 5 We have been using Iterated Systems compression board to compress pathology images and are getting ratios of 40:1 to 70:1 without too much loss in quality. It is taking about 4 mins per image to compress, on a 25Mhz 486 but decompression is almost real time on a 386 in software alone. " 333,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: FLYERS notes 4/17 Organization: AT&T Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary Lines: 200 The FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory, a 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri Yushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS never led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an NHL record 9th OT loss this season. Roster move: Gord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill Injuries: Ryan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4/15 and was scratched. Lines: Eklund-Lindros-Recchi Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy Faust-Acton-Brown Galley-Bowen Yushkevich-Hawgood Carkner-Hynes Dominic Roussel Game Summary: I didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts I didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by a few things I did pick up: First Period: Hartford, Nylander 10, 8:51 Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp) Penalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda, Har (interference) 18:43 Second Period: Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00 Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09 Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38 Penalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har major-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski, Har (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50 Third Period: Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp) Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11 Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38 Penalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30 Overtime: Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15. Penalties - None Power Play: Philadelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4 Goalies: Philadelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves) Hartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33) On the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue line and Nylander stripped him and took off. The Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros. The Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it ended up behind the goalie. On the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in. This is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if they get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner, Galley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of them was the closest FLYER to the play. That's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it was that scored, much less how. From what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart asked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the game. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised that a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy Soderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1/2 a season and, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark. But here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for number 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between him and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2???? What? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked... #1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice. The difference between the team's record with him and without him is no accident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without Recchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric Lindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey next season. #2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour, and Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't play a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family has a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy Soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again about being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years. #3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season scoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player get as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season. Not a tough choice. Honorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total which he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line this year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either. Dimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie mistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling that with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up anything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman in years to come. Garry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some things you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome, he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his wishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive contribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end will make him a much more important part of the team next year. Brent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total. But consistency became a problem for him. A couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members: Tom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer. If you're interested, you can send him mail at: att!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK The FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning percentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in Patrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in next years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as many goals as they allowed, 319. The 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985. I will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey News that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have no other way of getting them. I hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time almost bearable. FLYERS team record watch: Eric Lindros: 41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points (rookie records) club record goals: club record points: Eric Lindros 40 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84 Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80 Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Eric Lindros 75 1992-93 Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82 Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86 Mark Recchi: 53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points. club record goals: club record points: Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Mark Recchi 123 1992-93* Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76 Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75 Mark Recchi 53 1992-93* Bill Barber 112 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73 Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73 Reggie Leach 50 1979-80 *More than 80 games. FLYERS career years: Player Points Best Prior Season Mark Recchi 123 113 (90-91 Penguins) Rod Brind'Amour 86 77 (91-92 FLYERS) Garry Galley 62 38 (84-85 Kings) Brent Fedyk 59 35 (90-91 Red Wings) That's all for now... pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner " 334,1,"From: oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Eric Oehler) Subject: Translating TTTDDD to DXF or Swiv3D. Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.020751.13389 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 8 I am a Mac-user when it comes to graphics (that's what I own software and hardware for) and I've recently come across a large number of TTTDDD format modeling databases. Is there any software, mac or unix, for translating those to something I could use, like DXF? Please reply via email. Thanx. Eric Oehler oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu " 335,4,"From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) Subject: PS/2 Appletalk card question Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 17 I have a chance to buy a used PS/2 Appletalk card to create a network with my home machines. However, the guy who has the card tells me there's a DB-9 or DB-15 (can't remember now) on the back of the card, rather than the 8-pin (or 4-pin) mini-din that I expect. This sounds more like a Thicknet ethernet card. Should there be a transciever on it, like on the Quadras? What would be a reasonable price to expect to pay for one of these cards, keeping in mind that it's Micro-Channel Architecture, which means take your best guess and double it. Email replies would be appreciated, to here or to rrr@ideas.com Thanks. [RICHR] -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 336,10,From: ching@coyote.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger) Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner???? Article-I.D.: bigboote.1pqgt9$r46 Distribution: world Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: coyote.wpi.edu Originator: ching@coyote.WPI.EDU Maine beat LSSU 5-4. -- ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- | | | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- 337,15,"From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver) Subject: Some questions from a new Christian Lines: 18 In a previous article, 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes: > > One of my questions I would > like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological > works intended for a lay person? > I would recommend ""Essential Truthes of the Christian Faith"" by RC Sproul. It is copywrited 1992 from Tyndale House Publishers. Sproul offers concise explanations, in simple language, of around 100 different Christian doctrines, grouped by subject. I think it would be particularly good for newer Christians (and older Christians suffering spiritual malnutrition), as it gives a Biblically sound basic treatment of the issues, avoiding long in-depth analysis that can wait until after you know the basics. --- Dave Weaver | ""He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com| gain what he cannot lose."" - Jim Elliot (1949) " 338,13,"From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr Syndrome questions Keywords: EBV CFS CFIDS Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr23.034226.2284@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes: >Okay, this is a long shot. > >My friend Robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis-type symptoms, very >regularly. This has been going on for a number of years. She's seen a >number of doctors; six was the last count, I think. Most of them have >said either ""You have mono"" or ""You're full of it; there's nothing wrong >with you."" One has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her, >and one has claimed that it is Epstein-Barr syndrome. > >Now, what she told me about EBS is that very few doctors even believe that >it exists. (Obviously, this has been her experience.) So, what's the >story? Is it real? Does the medical profession believe it to be real? > >Has anyone had success is treating EBS? Or is it just something to live >with? Thanks for your assistance. Outbreaks of a chronic-mono-like entity were originally called EBS (or some variant thereof) because most of the people with this disease had elevated levels of antibodies to the EBV virus. But not all of them did, which prompted an official renaming of the disease to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (this renaming took place in the Annals of Internal Medicine, Jan. 1988, I believe). Now it's also called Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS), since it seems clear that some sort of immune disregulation is causing the probs. Astonishly, there are still docs who tell people with massively swollen glands, recurrent fevers and nightsweats, etc., that there's nothing wrong with them. This is not the same thing as saying that the syndrome may have a (at least partly) psychological cause. The disagreement among people whose thoughts are worth considering centers on just what the cause is. No one knows, but theories include: psychological stress, some sort of virus (a retrovirus, say most -- maybe one of the newly discovered herpes viruses), environmental toxins, bacteria (and, yes, candida), genes, (and/)or some combo of these. There's no outright cure at the moment, but different docs try different things, some of which seem to help. Massive amounts of info on the condition are available these days. Post your Q to alt.med.cfs, and you will be flooded w/facts. Note: There are lots of far better understood (and better treatable) diseases that look like CFIDS. Make sure these get ruled-out by a good doc. " 339,9,"From: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) Subject: Sparky Anderson Gets win #2000, Tigers beat A's Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu Tigers' manager Sparky Anderson gets his 2,000th career win as moments ago, the Tigers completed a two game sweep over the Oakland A's at Tiger Stadium by beating the A's 3-2. Here are the highlights: R H E Oakland 2 9 0 Detroit 3 7 1 Chad Krueter scored Skeeter Barnes from 1st with an RBI double in the bottom of the ninth against none other than Dennis Eckersley to give the Tigers the victory. Barnes also had an RBI single to score Thurmond to tie the score in the ninth, also off Eckersley (sp?). The A's got their runs on an RBI single by McGwire in the 1st and a solo homer by Reuben Sierra in the 6th. Deer doubled home Kirk Gibson in the 7th for the other Tiger run. John Doherty pitched another strong game for the Tigers, once again lasting through the seventh inning. He was relieved by Bolton and then David Haas in the 8th, and Haas got the win. Bobby Witt started for the A's, and was replaced by Honeycutt in the 6th, followed by Goose Gossage in the 8th, and finally Eckersly in the 9th. Doherty gave up both of the A's runs, while Witt gave up the first Tiger run and Eckerseley gave up the last two. In the post game interview (on WJR radio in Detroit), Sparky Anderson said its one of the few times he's gotten emotional in his managing career. It was a big moment for him, and I'm sure all of us Tiger fans are unanimously very happy for him. And what a way to get number 2,000!. Considering the circumstances, I think it might be appropriate to say: WOOF! Go Tigers! --Randy " 340,2,"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu Subject: Need help with WordPerfect for Windows... Distribution: usa Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA Lines: 19 I have two questions: 1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows. When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not know how to correct it. 2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go? E-mail prefered... _____ Who else is still waiting for ""Naked Gun Part (Pi) | | "" ''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/ '/''/'Nathan'Narloch''/''/''/'""Alumn122@whscdp.whs.edu""/''/''/''/' /''/'(Enforcer'Burp)'/''/''/''or'/'""NARLOCHN@KIRK.MSOE.EDU""'/''/'' ''/''/Milw,/WI/53207/''/'""Join'the'Official'Psycho/Team...""/''/''/ '/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/' " 341,6,"From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) Subject: Re: Printing Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: corpus-callosum.mit.edu In-reply-to: ""Jack Previdi""'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:02:49 GMT ""Jack Previdi"" writes, in reply to Dorothy Heydt reminding us that advertising is not done on Internet: As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial use of Internet is no more. Jack, there is a difference between using the network for commercial purposes and advertising in newsgroups. Business communication is okay. Advertising to hundreds of thousands of users around the planet who have no desire to receive advertising is not okay. Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only by our innate good taste and no have no ""administrator"" to guide(?) us. I suspect that a site which generated a large volume of material not in anybody's good taste would find itself getting a lot of attention it didn't want. You may belong to the public library, but that doesn't mean you can deface the books, disorder the stacks, or disturb the other patrons. You're constrained by the same rules that the rest of the users (many academic and military, who get irritable about a network for which they pay with tax and grant money carrying private business advertising) follow. There are Secret Masters here, just like everywhere else. They're not as obvious as the ones on Prodigy, but they're here. No doubt at some point the Internet, like everything else, will become grotty enough to carry advertising. At that time I hope it is confined to its own newsgroups and not on discussion groups---like misc.writing. Elizabeth Willey " 342,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. >There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and >published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics >who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. No, there's no evidence that would convince any but the most credulous. The ""evidence"" is identical to the sort of evidence that has been used to justify all sorts of quack treatments for quack diseases in the past. >medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly >to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough >actually treating patients. I like the implication here. It must not be that the quacks making millions off such ""diseases"" are biased -- rather that those who doubt their existence don't understand the real world. It seems easy to picture a 19th centure snake oil salesman saying the same thing. However, I have been in the trenches long enough to have seen multiple quack diseases rise and fall in popularity. ""Systemic yeast syndome"" seems to be making a resurgence (it had fallen off a few years ago). There will be new such ""diseases"" I'm sure with best-selling books and expensive therapies. >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my >face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee >their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as >far as I am concerned. Well this, of course, is convincing. I guess I'd better start diagnosing any illnesses that people want so that I can keep my lips. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 343,6,"From: smb@col.hp.com (Sam Bauer) Subject: >>For Sale: Waxworks Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdib.col.hp.com ********************[ PC Game For Sale ]****************** Waxworks by Horrorsoft/Accolade (5.25"") $30 By the same folks who brought you Elvira I & II. I played Elvira I & II, and think that Horrorsoft has finally made a very playable game with Waxworks. The look and feel is roughly the same as in the Elvira games, though the real time fighting is a little easier to survive. The first two games, especially Elvira II: Jaws of Cerberus made it very tough to stay alive and hit-point restoring was very difficult. This is not to say that Waxworks is a walk in the park, but it is quite fair, in that there is always some weapon to be found that is quite effective, or hint given as to the proper fighting strategy. In one of the four wax works to be explored, there is no fighting at all (well almost none), though all four contain moderately challanging puzzles. The really interesting thing about this game is that it is really broken up into four seperate RPGs, one for each of the four exhibits you must enter. In starting each one, your character is transported with no objects to use, and experience level 1. One exhibits traps you inside a multi-level ancient Egyptian pyramid which you must escape by fighting, mapping and puzzle solving. Another exhibit traps you in a mine that has been taken over by creeping plant vines and pods, while the local humans have been transformed into plant zombies. This is a single level maze that requires you to rescue some humans, kill the head plant alien, and figuere out how to kill the very tuff plant zombies that are always showing up. This is perhaps the most horrifying exhibit. Another exhibit puts you into Jack The Ripper England where you appear by the corpse of a fresh Ripper victim, and of course the police think you are responsible. You must avoid police and angry mobs to unravel the mystery of The Ripper and meet him face to face - but first get a disquise. The last exhibit pus you in a graveyard where most of the challenge is in learning to stop the almost indestructible zombies. Over all the VGA graphics and music are very effective in setting a creepy tone for the game, as was the case for the Elvira games, though gameplay is much improved and makes for a much more enjoyable game. I heartily recommend it for RPG and Horror fans. ********************************************************* - All prices include shipping. - All games are in excellent condition unless otherwise stated. - US buyers only please. - All games will be shipped inside a box with packing, insured, priority USPS. - All games include all original materials including box, manual, disks, and registration unless otherwise noted. The first responder offering asking price is guarenteed to get the game. Those just asking questions get no priority until they offer to buy the game. Lower offers may be considered assuming no other offers at asking price are made. ********************************************************** -- Sam Bauer | Hewlett Packard Co., (719)-531-4460 | Network Test Division smb@col.hp.com | Colorado Springs,CO " 344,12,"From: monta@image.mit.edu (Peter Monta) Subject: Re: MC SBI mixer In-Reply-To: musone@acsu.buffalo.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 21:10:14 GMT Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program Lines: 24 musone@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mark J. Musone) writes: > P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED > ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot. > I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of > circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help. Mixers have a wide variety of implementations; the Mini-Circuits part you mention is a doubly-balanced diode mixer, but active ones (BJT, FET) seem more popular in consumer receivers. You might call MCL; they have a nice catalog. The universal answer for wide-coverage, theory+practice, RF design is the _ARRL Handbook_, published by the American Radio Relay League, the radio amateur organization. Any technical bookstore can order you one. The book is superb, with lots of accessible theory, construction projects, and generally interesting stuff. You might also check out _Solid State Design for the Radio Amateur_ (I think), by Hayward and . This has sharper design and test information about subsystems like mixers. Peter Monta monta@image.mit.edu MIT Advanced Television Research Program " 345,4,"From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 24 In article <1qm2hvINNseq@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) wrote: > > > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have > > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating > > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption > > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. > > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault... That's fine, but would you name the ""industy experts"" so I can try to track this down? > This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the > Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the > chip. Yup. That's why I'm kinda curious... most SCSI problems I've encountered are due to cabling. noah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design ...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. " 346,6,"From: tammy@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tammy Chen) Subject: Toolwork: MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu I have the following program on CD ROM forsale: Toolwork MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM - Multimedia - Brand new - Shrink-wrapped Asking : $50 / obo Send reply to : sam@ocf.berkeley.edu Thank you " 347,10,"From: dwk@cci632.cci.com (Dave Kehrer) Subject: Individual Winners (WAS: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM?) Summary: my picks Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. - Network Application Systems Lines: 45 Well, since you mentioned it... In article <1993Apr12.142028.6300@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes: > Lemieux is clearly the MVP No question here. Chip in the Masterson as well... > Selanne wins the Calder Yep. > Chelios the Norris, If you asked me 30 days ago, I'd agree with you. I now give the nod to Raymond Bourque; his play took off the same time the B's did. Chelios gets a close second... > dunno who wins the Vezina, but I suspect not Potvin. Barrasso finally gets his due, in a close one over Eddie the Eagle... > Coach of the year is tricky: Burns did the most with the least raw talent, > King did a good job but the Flames clearly underachieved last year, Brian > Sutter has done exceptionally well in his first year with a new team, ditto > Demers, Page has been blessed by the ripening and acquisition of young > talent, Darryl Sutter is having a good year for a rookie coach, Berry made > the best of a bad situation, Terry Crisp worked minor miracles, and Bowman > was Bowman. I'd pick Burns, but I'm mildly biased. In *your* case, that bias is acceptable :-)... Mine shows with the Norris pick, so we're even... I'm impressed with what all the coaches you mentioned did, but my pick would be Al Arbour. Not too many folks thought the Isles would be in the playoffs, let alone contend for 3rd in their division... Granted that they *did* have a little help from their cousins on Broadway... :-) And I like the Islanders about as much as I like mowing my lawn... > Mike Godfrey -------- David Kehrer (dwk@sunsrvr2.cci.com)-Northern Telecom NAS-Rochester, New York ""It's nothing for me to eat six or seven pieces of pizza, then go out to dinner with my wife and not remember I had the pizza."" - Jacques Demers " 348,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 821 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. | | They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. | | They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't | | remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had | | the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my | | clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The | | atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among | | themselves who would go first. | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF KARINE (KARINA) GRIGOREVNA M. [1] Born 1964 Secretary-Typist Azsantekmontazh Trust Sumgait Construction and Installation Administration Secretary of the SMU Komsomol Organization Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] On the 27th my sister Marina and I went to the movies the seven o'clock show, at the theater that is across from the City Party Committee, about 50 yards away. The SK theater. They were showing an Argentinian film, ""The Abyss."" Before the film we noticed about 60 to 70 people standing near the podium at the City Party Committee, but they were silent, there's no conversation whatsoever, and we couldn't figure out what was going on. That is, we knew it was about Karabagh, but what it was exactly, what they were talking about, if someone gave a speech or not, we didn't know. We bought our tickets. There were 30 or 40 people in the theater. This was a very small number for that large movie theater. The film started. About 30 minutes later they stopped the film. A crowd burst in. About 60 people. They came up onto the stage. Well mostly they were young people, from 16 to 23 years old. They demanded that an Armenian woman come up onto the stage. They used foul language and said that they were going to show what Azerbaijanis were capable of, what they could do to Armenian girls. I thought that's what they meant because they had demanded a girl specifically. Marina and I were sitting together. I told her to move over, there were some Russian girls sitting nearby. So that if someone recognized me or if something happened, they would take me, and not Marina. It got quiet, 2 or 3 girls jumped up to run out, but the door was closed--it's only opened at the end of the show--and they returned to their seats. Everyone in the theater was looking at one another, Russians, Azerbaijanis, people of various nationalities. But no one reacted at all, no one in the auditorium made a sound. They were silent, looking at one another, and gradually started to leave. Some guy, a really fat one, says, ""OK, we've scared them enough, let's leave."" They leave slowly, pompously. It seemed to me that those people were not themselves. Either they had smoked a bunch of ""anasha"", or had taken something else, because they all looked beastly, like they were ready to tear anyone apart. Then it was all over, as though nothing had happened at all. The film started up again, it was one of those cheerful films which should have only brought pleasure, made you happy to be alive. We could barely sit to the end. So it had started at seven it was over by nine, and it was dark . . . Marina and I were walking home, Lenin Street, that's the center of town. Lenin Street was packed, just packed with young people. They were shouting, something about Karabagh and something about Armenians. We weren't especially listening, because the way we were feeling we didn't know if we were going to make it home or not, and just what had happened anyway? Public transportation wasn't running. Incidentally, when we came out of the theater we saw police, policemen standing there. The director of the movie theater was looking at the doors, because when they were leaving they had broken the glass, the doors there are basically all glass. Everything was broken. He stood there grief- stricken, but looking as though nothing really big had happened, like some naughty boys had just broken them quite by accident, with a slingshot. Well, since he looked more or less calm I decided that, nothing all that super serious had happened. We went out very slowly; we wanted to catch a bus, we live literally one stop away. We didn't want to go on foot, not because it was dark, but because something might happen. We flagged down a cab, but the driver didn't want to take us. We told him we live near the bus station, and he said he'd take us to the bus station and not a yard farther. I said, well, OK . . . So we got into the cab and managed to get there. Something incredible was happening at the bus station. There was a traffic jam. Public transportation was at a standstill and everyone was shouting ""Ka-ra-bagh,"" they're not going to give up Karabagh. I go home and tell my family what's going on, and there's immediate panic in the house. Mamma says, what should we do? Like the end had come, they were going to come, kill us, that's it . . . Somehow we managed to cheer ourselves up: Nothing that bad could happen. Where are we living anyway, just what kind of social order do we have? Somehow we manage to calm Mamma down. And we went to bed. But no one could sleep. Everyone made as though nothing had happened. That was on Saturday. In short, the day went by. We didn't go anywhere and didn't call our relatives. No one did anything. Because . . . life goes on. That day I realized something was approaching, but what exactly, I couldn't guess. On the 28th everything was like it was supposed to be, we lived like we always had. There were five of us at home: Mamma, Papa and us, three sisters: Lyuda, Marina, and I. My sister Lyuda was in Yerevan at the time. We sat at home and no one went out. Later we learned that a demonstration had started that morning. It all started . . . They were smashing up stores. We were sitting at home and didn't know anything about it. Then a girlfriend of mine, Lyuda Zimogliad, came by at around three o'clock I think. We worked together, we did our apprenticeships together, she's a Russian girl. She said that something awful was happening in town. I asked, ""Don't they want Armenians? Well what are they after, if they're already in that state?"" She says, no, nothing like that, it's just a demonstration, but it's awful to watch it. Somehow, it feels like a war has broken out. Public transportation has been stopped . . . The cabs, the buses, well it's just a nightmare. Then Papa decides to go to the drugstore, my mother was having allergy problems at the time . . . He left the house and our neighbor, Aunt Vera, asked him, ""Where are you going? Stop! There are such terrible things going on in the courtyard; aren't you afraid to go out?"" Papa didn't know what she was talking about. She simply pushed him back into the entryway. He came home and told Mamma. Mamma said, ""Well, if Aunt Vera was talking like that it means that something is really going on."" But we didn't go see her, she's a Russian, she lives across from us. I had to see my friend out. Around five o'clock I tell Lyuda, ""Ok, look, it's time for you to go, it's late already, I'll see you out."" Mamma says, ""You don't need to go, it's too late already, you can see what the situation in town is."" So we decided to stay home. Dinner was ready. Mamma says, ""Let her eat with us, then she can go."" We sat down at the table. But no one was hungry, no one was in the mood, we just put everything out on the table to calm ourselves down, and make it appear that we're eating. We turned on the television, and the show ""In Fairy-Tale Land"" was coming on. We cleared the table. We hear some noise out in the courtyard. I go out on the balcony, but I can't see what's going on, because the noise is coming from the direction of the bus station, and there is a 9-story building in the way. There is mob of people . . . I can't figure out what's happening. They're shouting something, looking somewhere, I can't make out what is going on. I go down to a neighbor, she's an Azerbaijani; we've been friends of her family for about 25 years. I go down to look from their place. I see people shouting, looking at the 5-and 9-story buildings near the bus station. Just then soldiers set upon them, about 20 people, with clubs. The mob runs off in different directions. I even see several people from our building. They are looking and laughing . . . I decide that means it's not all that bad if they are laughing: it means they're not killing anyone. But now the crowd suddenly dashes toward the soldiers. One of the soldiers cannot manage to get away, they start stomping on him with their feet, everyone's kicking him . . . I become ill and go home, and explain in general terms that horrible things are going on out there . . . can't speak . . . Well, they've probably killed that soldier, the way that crowd is . . . If each of them kicked him just once . . . They took his club away from him and started to beat him with it. But it was far away and I couldn't see if he got up and left or not. I become terrified and go home and say, ""Lyuda, don't go anywhere, stay at our place, because if you go out they could kill you or . . . "" Then the crowd runs over closer toward our building and stands at the 12-story building and starts shouting something. We go out onto the balcony. All of our neighbors are also out on theirs, too. Everyone is standing, staring. The mob is shouting and about 5 minutes later comes running toward our building. As it turns out, at the 12-story building the Azerbaijani neighbors went down and kept them from coming in. There's only one entryway there, they could stop them. They all run up to our building. Mamma immediately starts closing the windows, afraid that they might throw stones. They have stones and they break the windows, all of them. There are very many people. We have a large courtyard, and it's packed with people. They spill up to the first floor so they don't crush each other. They crawl up on trees, posts, and garages. It's just a huge cloud of people. They break and burn the motorcycle of the Armenian Sergey Sargisian, from our building. We close the windows and immediately hear tramping in our entryway. They come up to our fifth floor with a tremendous din and roar. It's incomprehensible. Mamma told me later that they were shouting Father's name, ""Grisha, open the door, we've come to kill you!,"" or something like that. I don't remember that, I was spaced out, kind of. Mamma says, ""Into the bedroom, quickly!"" In the bedroom we have two tall beds, part of our dowry; Mamma says, ""Hide there, they probably won't come in there, they'll ask something, say something, and leave."" She says, ""We'll tell them that we live alone here."" I can't imagine that my parents will stand out in the hall alone talking with some sort of beasts . . . I go to them and say that I'll stand together with them, I'll talk with them if they come, maybe I can find a common language with them, all the more so if they know me: I speak Azerbaijani more or less, and I can find out what they want. I told Marina and Lyuda to hide under the bed, and my sister Lyuda, I can't remember if I told her anything or not. Then . . . they open the door: it's like they blew on it and it broke and fell right into the hall. The crows bursts in and starts to shout: Get out of here, leave, vacate the apartment and go back to your Armenia; things like that. I tell them, ""What has happened, speak calmly. One of you, tell me, calmly, what has happened."" In Azerbaijani, they say, ""Get out of the apartment, leave."" I say, ""OK. Go downstairs. We'll gather everything we need and leave the apartment."" I realize that it is senseless to discuss any sort of rights with them, these are animals. They must be stopped. The ones standing in the doorway, the young guys, say, ""There are old people and one girl with them. Too bad!"" They take two or three steps back. It seems as though I have pacified them with our exchange. Then someone in the courtyard shouts, commanding them: ""Don't you understand what you are saying? Kill them?"" And that was it! That was all it took. They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among themselves who would go first. Later, I remember, I came to. I don't know if I'm dead or alive. Someone comes in, someone tall, I think, clean-shaven, in an Eskimo dogskin coat, balding. He looks around at what's happening. At that instant everything stops. It seems to me that he is either their commander or . . . that somehow everything depends on him. He looks and says, ""Well, we're done here."" They are beating Mamma on the head. They break up the chairs and beat her with the chair legs . . . She loses consciousness, and they decide that she's dead. Papa . . . was out cold. They want to throw Lyuda off the balcony, but they can't get the window open. Apparently the window frames are stuck after the rain and the windows can't be opened. They leave her next to the window. She was thinking about being thrown out the window and passed out. She's not a real strong person anyway . . . He looks at me and sees that I'm saying something, that I'm still twitching. Well, I start saying the opposite of what I should be, which is humbling myself and pleading. I start shouting, cursing . . . they don't get any entreaty out of me. I already know that I'm dead, why would I humble myself before anyone? And he says that if that's what I think, since my tongue is so long . . . maybe he thinks that I still look quite appealing . . . In short, he commands that I be taken outside. I no longer saw or remembered what was happening to Marina and Lyuda, I don't know if they are alive or not. They take me outside. They are dragging me by my arms, by my legs. They are hitting me against the wall, the railings, something metal . . . While they are carrying me someone is biting me, someone else is pinching me . . .I don't even know. I think, my God, when will death come? If only it were sooner . . . Then . . . they carry me out, throw me near the entryway . . . and start kicking me. I lose consciousness . . . What happened after that, how many people there were, I don't remember. I come to after a while, I don't remember how long. A neighbor is bringing me clothing. I'm entirely covered with blood, she puts a dress on me. I remember that I said the same words over and over again: ""Mamma, what happened, Mamma, what have they done to us, where are we, whose house are we at?"" I can't make sense out of anything. There is a guy standing over me, I sort of know him, he served in Afghanistan, his name is Igor, he brought me indoors. When they all went to the third entryway and killed a person there, Igor gathered his courage, took me into his arms, and brought me to the neighbors', even though he's small-minded, he put himself at risk. Igor Agayev is Azerbaijani; he served in Afghanistan. There are three brothers. The older brother also served there, I think; now he's stationed here, on the border, in Armenia. Igor brought me to the neighbors', and then helped me come to my senses, saying, ""Karina, I know you, calm down, I'm not one of them."" How do I know who's who and what's what? I come to, and they clean me up. I was covered in blood. Then Papa . . . I saw Papa, I saw Mamma. And Marina, too . . . Igor was there when they dragged Marina and Lyuda out from under the bed . . . Marina . . . Lyuda said that she was Russian, they said, we'll let you go, we aren't touching the Russians, go. And while they are dragging Marina out she decides she's going to tell them she's Azerbaijani. Igor immediately grabs Marina's and Lyuda's hands, because he knows Marina, and knows that she is Armenian and is our sister, and takes her to the second floor to a neighbor's and starts pounding on the door so she will open up. She opens the door and Igor pushes them in there. So they survived. My sister Lyuda lost consciousness after the bandits started stealing things. While they were going downstairs, taking things downstairs, then coming back up again, Lyuda seized the opportunity and crawled under the bed and stayed there. Then, when she was herself again, she found a torn night shirt and put it on, and some sort of robe and went to a neighbor's on the fourth floor, the one whose apartment I had watched the crowd from, the friend of ours, and knocked on the door. The neighbor opened and said, ""I'm not going to let you in the apartment because I'm afraid of them. But I'll give you some stockings and we'll leave the building."" Lyuda says, ""I'll stay at your place because of what's going on, they keep going up and down the stairs."" It was just for a moment, just a moment in life, but the neighbor wouldn't consent. Lyuda came back to our place and lay under the bed . . . I came to. Mother was there. I can't remember my supervisor's telephone number, but something had to be done. Somehow I remembered and called, and he came to get us. He didn't have any idea what was going on. He thought we were simply afraid, he didn't know that they were killing us and that we had passed between life and death. He came and got us and took us to the police precinct. There they looked us over. I was having trouble walking, my lungs hurt badly, it was hard to breathe . . . My supervisor's name is Urshan Feyruzovich Mamedov. He's the head of our administration. They took us there. When we were leaving, I saw a great number of buses full of soldiers at the entrance to town. The buses were ordinary passenger buses. There were very many soldiers. We left around eleven, right after eleven. If these people could stop what was happening they could save a great many lives . . . Because the crowd was moving on, toward the school, and what was going on there . . . I think everyone know not only in Sumgait, not only in Yerevan. Because there they murdered them all one after the next, without stopping. After us. I think 14 people died in Microdistrict No. 3, and 10 to 12 of them were from Buildings 4, 5, and 6. In our building one person died, and one old woman died from Building 16, that's the building in front of ours. There young Azerbaijani men stopped the mob and wouldn't let it into their building. Incidentally, when we were at the neighbors', Marina called our relatives to warn them, so they would all know what was happening. I called a aunt in Microdistrict No. 5. They have three neighbors who are Armenians. I said, ""Run quickly, I can't explain what's going on; hide, do what you can, just stay alive. Hide at Azerbaijanis', ones who won't give you away."" At that moment three people came in, policemen. I think they were Azerbaijanis. I was in such awful condition, my face was completely distorted my lips were puffed up, there was blood, my eye was swollen, no one thought I would ever see anything out of that eye again . . . my forehead was badly cut, and one-half of my face was pushed out forward. No one would have thought that I would survive, get my normal appearance back, and be able to grasp anything at all. I started to scream at those people, why did you come, who sent you here, no one wants you here, haven't you killed people people yet, what are you doing here? One of the soldiers said, ""Don't scream at us. We're Muslims, but we're not from the Sumgait police. They called in from Daghestan."" So at that point the Daghestan police were there. When we got to the police precinct there were an awful lot of police there, there were soldiers, police with dogs, ambulances, firemen . . . I don't know, maybe they were waiting for people to bring them the goners and the seriously injured to treat them there in the police precinct. I don't know what they were there for. There were also doctors from Baku there. They examined Lyuda and me and said, ""These women need to go to the Maternity Home, but we don't know what to do with the rest."" So they took us, and I lost contact with my parents, my boss, everyone. My boss said, ""Don't worry, I'll find you, no matter where you are, no matter what happens."" We went to the hospital. There we were examined by a department head from the Sumgait Maternity Home, Pashayeva, I think her name was. She examined us. The ambulance was from Baku; I figured out that the Sumgait ambulances hadn't done anything, they didn't respond to any calls. People called and neither the police nor the ambulances showed any sign of life. That doctor looked me over and I could tell from her behavior that something very good had happened, for she became quite glad. I even thought to myself, ""God, can it be that nothing all that bad is wrong?"" She looks me over and says, ""Now why are you suffering so? You don't know what your people have been doing, your people did even worse things."" And I think, great, I have to deal with her . . . And I felt so bad, I thought, why don't I just die so as not to have to hear more stuff like this from people like her? Here I am in this condition and being told about something that our people did. I just didn't have the energy to say, ""How could our people possibly be smart enough to think of something that yours haven't already done?"" I stayed there. Then they brought in another woman, Ira B., she was married, and she was raped in her own apartment, too. There were three of us, Ira, Lyuda, and 1. The next morning they took Lyuda and Ira away. They didn't do anything to help us. This was in the old Maternity Home, in the combined block. They didn't do anything more than examine me, that was it. I didn't want any shots or tranquilizer, nothing. What shots could have calmed me down? I didn't even want to look at them. I lay in the ward. Either it just worked out that way or they did it on pur- pose, but I was alone. I was alone even though the wards were packed. That same evening a woman came by and asked me what was wrong with me, that my face was disfigured. She asked what had happened to me, and I said, ""Better to ask your brother what happened, there's no point in asking me, your brother can better explain what happened."" She fell into a faint. All the doctors threw themselves at her, and the doctor categorically forbade anyone to come into my ward. Then people from work came to see me, my boss, his daughter; they brought me clothing, because I was literally naked. The only thing I had on was a dress, but the woman who gave it to me was very short, and the dress was way up above my knees, and the woman orderly said, ""I can't believe you put on such a short dress, who are you showing off your legs to here?"" I went back to my ward thinking, just one more thing from something. People from work came and brought me something in a sack, apples, I think, three or four pounds, but I couldn't take them. I had become so weak that it was just embarrassing. I said that I couldn't take the apples, and really didn't have any appetite. No one had to bring me anything. Some woman took the sack . . . And, oh yes! . . . Then I heard that the head doctor tell a nurse that my medical history should be hidden or torn up completely so that no one would know that I was an Armenian, maybe they wouldn't figure it out from looking at me. So they must have been thinking that there would be some kind of attack, that something else would happen. That it would be worse. Or, perhaps, someone was outside on the street, I don't know. In any case, I didn't sleep a wink that night. The next morning they picked me up, a whole police detail, put me in a bus, and off we went. I didn't even know where they were taking me. They took me to the club where the troops were, the very one I was in that ill-fated evening. I got off the bus. Near the City Party Committee there were a great many troops, tanks, armored personnel carriers; the whole scene was terrible. I saw a few people I knew there, and that calmed me a little. I had already thought that I was the only one left. So there were five or six of us left in Sumgait after that night. I still didn't know what happened to my parents, they didn't come to see me in the hospital, and my boss told me that everything was fine. I didn't know whether to believe him or not. Maybe he was just trying to calm me down, maybe something happened on the way. Then I went to the club and saw a lot of people I knew. They all knew one another, they were all kissing each other and asking, ""What happened, what went on?"" Two days later they came to see me from work. They were there all the time. Each day they came, showed interest, and were constantly bringing me money. They did everything they could. Of course I'm most thankful to my boss, the only one of my colleagues who didn't lose his presence of mind and who didn't change his opinions, neither before, nor after, nor in the heat of the moment, no matter what happened. He constantly took an interest. A sincere interest, from the heart . . . Then, about two days later, the secretary of the Party Committee came, not from our Party organization, but from the First Trust, which ours is part of, Comrade Kerimov, a very important figure in our town. He made arrangements with the emergency medical personnel to take me away, because if I sat down by myself I couldn't get up or lie down again. There was something wrong with my lungs, it was hard to breathe. They examined me there several times, there I lay were several doctors, they all thought that . . . that it must just be from all the blows, I don't know. They didn't diagnose anything in particular. When I was in the Maternity Home I even asked . . . I made it a point of insisting that they take me to the trauma section because I felt so awful. There was no way something inside wasn't broken, my ribs . . . Well they took me there and took x-rays and said that everything was fine. There were emergency medical workers on duty in the club. The mother of one of Marina's friends was there. She was the head doctor at the Sumgait Children's Clinic. They had every kind of antifever agent in the world, which was exactly what I needed at that moment, I thought. I said that I was having great difficulty breathing, I couldn't seem to get enough air, something was wrong with me. They put tight bandages around my chest and waist. Later I overheard some people saying that I had been cut all over. I think they just saw me being all bandaged up and decided that my breasts and face had been cut . . . But I wasn't cut. They took us to the Khimik boarding house. We lived there a long time. Soon appeared representatives . . . They were agitating. At first people would not talk to them, and drove them off. One of the Armenian women shouted, ""We demand that Seidov come!"" The response was, ""It's Seidov who sent us."" Seidov is the Chairman of the Azerbaijani Council of Ministers. The woman said, ""We'll only see Seidov's daughter, have her come here, we'll do the same things to her that they did to our daughters, and then we'll deal with you agitators."" And so on. More of them said, ""Have Seidov himself come."" This went on day in, day out. The agitators kept coming and coming, this drove us out of our wits. Then people gradually started departing for Yerevan because they realized it was senseless to stay. Everything got on our nerves: The smell, the small children. There were children at the SK club, children who had literally just come out of the Maternity Home. What were they doing in a club that didn't even have running water all the time? At first we had to pay to eat there. They even overcharged us, as it turned out. On the second day someone told us that they would bring us food for free. The children were ill. Everything stank there. Well imagine about 3,000 people in a small movie theater with seating for no more than 500. You couldn't sit or lie down, it was impossible to even move. The stench was awful. Even the smallest infants took ill overnight there. I heard that they were arriving seriously ill in Yerevan, the infants. They have to be washed, they have to be bathed, not to mention that we, the adults, were ill and needed care. People were fainting right and left. I just don't know, everyone was crying, everyone . . . Only the young people, the men, somehow managed to keep it together. But the women were in a constant state of panic. It seemed to everyone that they would come any minute and kill and stab. It seemed clear that we had been gathered together purposely, like during the war, so that they could burn the movie theater and there wouldn't be a single Armenian left. Then people went up to the attic. I didn't see them, I only heard them, because I was lying down and couldn't get up. I lay right on the stage, we had some room there. Apparently they caught two people with either oil or gas. I think they wanted to burn the theater. Maybe someone saw them, I didn't. I was in no condition to open my eyes. Everyone was suspicious of everyone else. They would ask, ""Aren't you an Azerbaijani? I think I saw you somewhere, I think you're an Azerbaijani."" They led out all the men and started letting them back in by checking their passports, relatives might be covering for each other. Half of the people did not have any documents. There were people who had run out of their homes in nothing but a pair of pants and slippers, or wearing just a shirt, not like they should have, with their IDs. So on the 28th, on Sunday, I think, the police did nothing to help us. On Monday everything resumed where it had left off on Block 41A. They didn't spare a soul there: not children, not pregnant women, nobody. They killed, they burned, they hacked with axes, just everything possible. They murdered the Melkumian family whom I knew, my mother worked with them. Their daughter- in-law went to school with my older sister. They were brutally murdered. Only the two daughters-in-law survived. By a miracle one was able to save herself, she ran away, the neighbors wouldn't take her in, so she ran about the building until she found refuge. She was pregnant and had two small children. This all continued on Monday in Block 41A, on the 29th, when the troops were already in the city. They murdered people, they overturned automobiles, and they burned entire families. They say they didn't even know for sure if the people were Armenians or not. I heard that the Lezgins suffered, too. I'm not sure myself, I didn't see any Lezgins who had been injured. They burned cars so it's very difficult now to say exactly who died and who didn't. It was very difficult to identify the corpses, or rather, what remained of the corpses after they were doused in gasoline and burned . . . it's all very hard to imagine, of course I heard that many people disappeared without a trace, from the BTZ plant two people, including a woman who worked the night shift, Aunt Razmella, who also lived in Microdistrict 3. They were stopping buses between Baku and Sumgait. In the evening people who had been visiting Baku were returning to Sumgait, and people from Baku were going home from Sumgait, and there were students, too. They were simply savagely murdered. They were stopping the buses, the drivers immediately did what they were told because there was just no other way to deal with that hoard of brutally minded people. They stopped the buses, dragged the Armenians out and killed them on the spot. I didn't see it myself, but I heard that they put them all in a pile so as to burn them. Later it was hard to discern from the corpses, well you can't call them corpses, you had to figure out from the ashes who it was. l heard that two fellows saved two women, one a student, Ira G., if I'm not mistaken. She was in the hospital a long time after that, and she still can't figure out who saved her. She was also brutally raped and beaten and thrown onto a pile of corpses. The fellow pulled her out of that whole pile of corpses, put his coat on her, took her into his arms, and carried her to the city. I still can't imagine how he managed to do that. I heard that from Engels Grigorian. He knows her, apparently. Well a lot of people went to that hospital anyway. She was in the hospital and singing a song in Armenian, and they wrote the words down, and, I think he still has that piece of paper, because he says that a lot of people now have that song, the one she sang in the hospital where she lay in such bad shape. They couldn't find the guy who saved her. He left her in someone's apartment and called the ambulance, she was in such awful shape that, probably, like me, she couldn't remember anyone's face. I think that I knew one of the people who broke into our house, maybe I had talked with him once. But I received so many blows everything was just knocked out of my head. I can't remember to this day who he was. Then, it seems, I saw the Secretary of the Directorate's Party organization, where Marina works. She goes to school and works, she goes to night school at AZI, and works by day at the Khimzashchita Construction and Installation Administration. I'm the Secretary of the Komsomol organization at our administration and often met with the secretaries of Party and Komsomol organizations. We had joint meetings. I know them all, I've even talked with them, and he, I know, is from Armenia. An Azerbaijani, but from Armenia. It became obvious that many of those people were Azerbaijanis born in Armenia. They took me to various police stations, to the police precinct, and to the Procuracy, because the USSR Procuracy got involved in the case, and I iden- tified the photographs of people who I could more or less recognize. They showed me the people who were in our apartment, they're working on our case, but I can't even recognize them, although it was proved that they were the ones, they're processing it somehow. They tell me that they know that someone held me by the arm and someone else held me by the leg when they were dragging me. There was someone else in our apartment who did not even touch me, he just stole a blanket and an earring or something like that. All these people, all of them, as much as I've heard about them and seen them, they were all from Kafan. The Secretary of the Party organization is named Najaf, Najaf Rzayev. He was there when everything started. It must have been him because I didn't recognize anyone else in the crowd whom I knew besides him. All the more since I told him, ""Listen, you do something, because you know me."" He turned away and went toward the bedroom, where Marina was. Well you couldn't see Marina anyway. There was such a noisy confusion of people that you couldn't make out anyone. All of it flew right out of my head, and then gradually I became myself again, at the City Party Committee . . . There were military people there. I told them what went on, and they wrote it all down. I told them his name. On March 8 the Secretary of our First Trust Party organization, the one we're part of, came to see us, his name is Najaf Rzayev. I tell Mamma, ""If he's here despite the fact that I gave his name, it means that either his alibi has been confirmed or, probably, that they think I'm crazy, not responsible for my words."" He said, ""What did they do to you, how awful, myself, I hid an Armenian family."" Then after some time goes by he comes back again and says something entirely different: ""I wasn't at home, my family and I went to Baku."" I said, ""Marina, what is he saying? He said something totally different before."" After that I didn't go to see our Procurator, our case is being handled by a procurator from Voronezh, Fedorov by name. Fedorov told me that Rzayev's case had just gotten to him, and there were so names involved. What are they doing with Rzayev? Did he prove his alibi or not? They just think that since I was hit in the head I can't say anything for sure, whether it was him or not. It will be an insult if he was in our apartment and doesn't have to pay for it, but at the same time I'm afraid to say I'm a hundred percent sure that it was he. Because no mat- ter who I name, they tell me, no, you're wrong, he didn't do that, that one wasn't there. All the faces have gotten mixed up in my mind. Who did what exactly I can't say. When they took me outside there was a whole crowd there, but I didn't see it, because I had my eyes closed all the time. It seemed to me that I always got it because of my eyes, people were always hassling me, for some reason it always seemed to me that my eyes are responsible. When they were beating my face I thought they were trying to put my eyes out. So I had my eyes closed, they took me outside and started to beat me. A young guy, 22, held my arms, he works at the BTZ plant. And right nearby, across the road from us, Block 41, is where all this was going on. Right across the road from us. The BTZ dormitory is over there, that's where he lives. Now he's in custody, they even have proved, as far as I know, that it was he who killed Shurik Gambarian, the clarinet player from the third entryway of our building. One person in our building was killed, it was that man. A guy comes by who shared a room with the guy who was holding me. He saw that he was holding me by the arms and that he was beating me, but he didn't come over, he just looked and then went into the dormitory. A while after it was all over, people started making announcements in town saying that investigators had been summoned. That guy went and told them everything. Now they've caught him, everything's been proved. Now, evidently, they've been beating him, I don't know what they're doing with them over there, but he himself said that he was working the night shift at the plant. Some young guy came to the plant and said, ""Everyone who wants to kill Armenians come to the bus station on Saturday at ten."" That was it. He said, the ones who wanted to, went. This was at the BTZ plant, during the night shift, probably, late Friday night. It was at night, they were at the sauna together. And he said, what do you mean, do you understand what you are saying? The others were silent, probably, in their hearts they were thinking, I'm going to go. But they didn't say anything to one another. He said that he thought it important to to go, because he had heard a lot about what had happened in Kafan, that they had killed their Azerbaijani sisters, their mothers, burned villages, and all of that. That guy was also born in Kafan. That is certain. And Marina says that the Secretary of the Party organization is from Armenia, too. from I've participated in the investigation a couple of times. I'm satisfied with them thus far. They summoned us and asked about what happened, and every word I said was recorded. I met some guy there . . . By the way, he was an Armenian. I said that he was in our apartment, but what he did, I don't know. His last name was Grigorian, Eduard Grigorian. He s from Sumgait, from Microdistrict 1. He was sentenced I think, to five years, not his first time. His mother is Russian. I met with him at the KGB in Baku, at the Azerbaijani KGB. They took us there and showed me photographs. There were so many photographs, I think they even photographed those people who were caught at curfew, and I've got them all confused. I say, the face was about like this, the guy in the white coat with the red clasps. But he could take that coat off and burn it somewhere, and it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Well. This guy, Grigorian, I said, he was in our apartment, but he is so light-complected that he looks like a Lezgin. I don't know what he did, I can't remember. Maybe he beat me or raped me. But he was in our apartment. At the KGB he started asking me, pleading with me, there's no need for this, all this stuff, look me in the eyes, you're like a sister to me. I took a look at him and thought, ""My God, Heaven forbid that I should have a brother like you."" But they were satisfied with my responses, because I said everything without great certainty. I was there with Mamma. Then Lyuda came in, but when she came in she got sick immediately. She wanted to kill him, she crawled over the table at him. She recognized him. When she came to, Lyuda was lying on the balcony, the mob threw her there and all of them ran into the bedroom. We had all kinds of boxes with dishes in them, the dowries for all three sisters. They stole everything in the apartment, leaving only small things. At that moment Lyuda came to and started remembering everything. Well, seeing the faces, hearing the voices . . . Two people were saying they could burn the apartment. Another says, why burn the apartment when I've got three kids and no place to live. So this guy was in temporary housing, he didn't have anywhere to live, he was from Sumgait. They were sure that they would get the apartment. Besides, the neighbors were Azerbaijani. Why should they burn the apartment, they might burn Azerbaijanis. That's what they said. How did they know there were Azerbaijanis there, if they just picked a place, thinking that Armenians lived there? We have a list of the residents for our part of the building, our name is in there, but how could they know that Azerbaijanis lived on the other side of the wall from us? So they didn't set fire to our apartment. I don't know, I was in such bad shape that if all of it had come to a halt when I was outside, if someone had asked me what was happening, I would have said that a civil war was going on. Well, maybe not civil . . . but probably civil, because when they were beating me I opened my eyes and saw that all the neighbors were standing on their balconies and watching, like at a free horror film. So a civil war was going on, and only the Armenians were being fought. If it were a world war or something like that, they would have been fighting everyone. But they only fought us. Then I met some women from our building, some Azerbaijanis. They are crying, they tell me, ""Karina, we saw all of it, how could it happen?"" They're asking me! Well I just don't know what to call it if a normal girl can stand there and watch what happened to me. I think that if it were the other way around either I wouldn't have been able to take it, or I would have tried to avert it, like that one Azerbaijani woman did in front of our building. A woman lives there, an awful, dissipated woman, if you can call her a woman, the dissipated life she leads. Two Armenian families live there, in her part of the building. She came out on the balcony and saw what was happening to me and started to scream and curse. She came down to the entryway and said, ""You'll come in this entryway over my dead body."" So not one of them took it in his head to go in that entryway. Some folks were saying that those people were so out of control that they didn't even know what they were doing. I don't think that's true. They knew very well what they were doing if they didn't even lift a hand against that woman. They couldn't have cared less about her, but the fact that she was an Azerbaijani stopped them. They were just beasts, they had smoked so much. When they came to our place they were all chewing something. I noticed: Everyone who came into the apartment was chewing something. I think, my God, maybe I just think that? Maybe I'm losing my mind? But no, they're all chewing something. Maybe it is some kind of drug, it must be, because . . . At first glance they all seemed to be such normal people, young, clean-shaven, looking exactly as if they had come to some sort of celebration. But they were shouting something. They didn't talk, they shouted, as though there were deaf people there. They screamed and screamed: ""Yeah, killing, killing, we're killing the Armenians!"" Only they didn't shout ""kill,"" they shouted ""gurun ermianlary."" Gurun literally means ""kill,"" or ""destroy."" That's how it was! I'll continue. We hid in a captain's apartment, he's an Azerbaijani, his wife is a Tatar. We were sitting in their apartment, their kids were out in the yard. Their kids knew a whole lot. This was in our part of the building, on the third floor. When Mamma came to and couldn't find Lyuda she took Papa's hand, this was while the looters were stealing things, but they didn't pay attention because they were stealing things. Apparently they had already ceased killing and switched to stealing. Mamma found the courage to . . . A boy said to my mother ""Where's the gold?"" Mamma said he must have been 12 to 14 years old. He even looked Russian, he was so fair-skinned. But the Azerbaijanis from Armenia are fair-skinned. I noticed they were all on the fair side. He shouted, they were all smashing things, and he asks Mamma where the gold is. We kept our gold in the wardrobe with our important papers. In a little black bag, we kept everything in there. Mamma doesn't really like to wear gold. She probably never even wore those things from the time they were bought for her. They took everything that was lying on the cheval glass. Mamma thinks that the gold saved us. Because they threw themselves at the gold, and Mamma grabbed Papa, who was trying to breathe. They had closed his mouth, bound his hands, and put a pillow and a chair on his face . . . They had shoved something into his mouth so he would suffocate. Mamma grabbed him and tore all that stuff off . . . He had something in his mouth, he was having trouble breathing, his nose was filled with blood. Mamma grabbed him and started running from the fifth down to the first floor because no one wanted to open their doors to them. Mamma said that by accident, completely by accident that person opened his door, he was sleeping, and said, half-awake, ""What's happened?"" He sees that they are bloody. Mamma said, ""At least go and find out what's happening to my daughters, even if they've burned them or murdered them, at least bring the corpses."" He went looking for us. At that moment Lyuda was under the bed. She says that after they left it seemed that someone was calling her name. When he quietly called her she couldn't get out from under the bed. She wanted to get out and was calling softly. She thought she was shouting, but in fact she was either silent or was only talking to herself, it just seemed to her that she was shouting. When she got out from under the bed everyone was gone. And again . . . She thought that she had lost her mind. I'll never leave here, never! To hell with it! It just seems that way to me, I'll come to eventually. But then, when everything had settled down, stopped, that mall brought Lyuda down, and Igor carried me in from outside. Or first I was brought in, then Lyuda, I don't remember what order it happened in. And Mamma said, ""Listen, they're all running around down there, shouting something or other, and running toward the other building."" It had more or less calmed down where we were. Who's dead, who's alive, we don't know. I tried to call my girlfriend. I had basically come to. Mamma says, ""Listen; let's go upstairs, at least get a mattress or something. We don't know how long we'll be here. Maybe they didn't burn everything."" I don't get it, all women have that feeling, they want to get something from their homes, maybe not everything was taken? I tell Mamma, ""Mamma, what do you need any of that for? To hell with it! We're alive, forget the rest of it, all of it!"" She says, ""No, let's go get at least something. Maybe we'll leave here, spend the night at someone else's."" Mamma went upstairs, and their little boy, their son Alik, was standing on the lookout. lIe was standing there to see if they were coming. They only managed to run up there and grab something one time. He shouts, ""Come back, they're coming!"" They didn't have enough time to get a lot, mattresses from one apartment, a blanket from another . . . Mamma got my knitting . . . Someone managed to grab our old things, the ones we never wore, out of the hall . . . Someone took Father's old coveralls. The neighbor, his wife, Mamma and Papa . . . Marina went with them. I was in no condition to leave. Neither was Lyuda. We just sat. They ran out and we closed the door and just then we hear that the mob is on its way toward our place upstairs, they're dragging something again. They were going toward the other building, maybe over by the school, or . . . There was an unfinished building over there, people said they were going toward the basement or the unfinished building, they could gradually carry everything over there. Then things more or less calmed down. I tried to call my boss. Later there was more noise. We were on the third floor, in a one-bedroom apartment, and a woman lives in the one-bedroom place on the second floor, Asya Dallakian. She's an old woman, retired. She wasn't at home, at that time she was usually in the country, she has a married daughter there, and her grandson is in the army. She is only very rarely in town; she gets her retirement money and the apartment is essentially vacant. They started pounding on her door and broke it down. She had two or three beds in there, something like that, she's a 60-to 70-year-old woman who really does not even live there. Probably she had some pots, a couple of metal bed frames and mattresses, and a television. When her grandson came she bought a television. They started wrecking everything. I started getting sick again. I think, ""My God, what is going on around here? When will this end?"" We turned off the lights and sat. As it turns out the people who weren't afraid, the ones who knew what was going on, knew not to turn off the lights. We didn't know, but they didn't come to where we were all the same. They all knew very well that he was a captain. He went out and closed the door, and we sat in his apartment. His last name was Kasumov. He's an exserviceman, retired, works up at the fire station at some plant or other. He went out and stood at his door. They tell him, ""Comrade Captain, don't worry, we won't harm you, you're one of us."" He went upstairs, and they say, ""Aren't you taking anything from this apartment?"" He says, ""I don't need anything."" And the women who were standing in the yard . . . we have a basement, full of water . . . the women who were standing in the yard saw. Those guys, they left everything they stole on the first floor and ran upstairs again. The women threw everything they had time to into the basement, to save our property. Some things were left: dirty pillows, two or three other things and a rug. A guy came downstairs, really mad, and he says, ""Where's the rug? I just put it right here!"" They tell him, ""Some guy came and took it and went off toward the school."" He ran off in that direction. Oh! I forgot the most important point. When Igor picked me up in his arms, there were women standing there who saw everything that was going on. They just didn't tell me about it for a long time. The wife of that military man, she didn't want to kill my spirit, I was already dead enough. Later she told me, that after they murdered Uncle Shurik in the third entryway one of them, the ringleader, apparently a young man, said, ""Where's the girl who was here?"" And he became furious. The woman tells him, ""She came to . . . "" She didn't know what to say: Think something up? Someone carried her off? Then they would comb the whole house and find me and our whole family. So the woman says, ""She came to and went to the basement."" Now, our basement is full of water. So the whole mob dashes off to the basement to look for me or my corpse. They took flashlights; they were up to their waists in water, water which had been standing there for years, and soot, and fuel oil. They climbed down in there to get me. Then one of them said, ""There's so much water down there, she probably walked and walked and then passed out and died. She met her death in the basement. That's it, we can leave, no problem!"" I didn't know that, and when I was told, I felt worse. Two times worse. A lot worse! So they didn't just want to pound me flat, something more awful was awaiting me . . . After that we of course didn't want to live in Sumgait any longer. We really didn't want to go back to our apartment. When we moved, I went up there and started to quiver and shake all over, because I started remembering it all. Although the neighbors all sobbed, it was all . . . so cheap . . . The people who sat in their apartments and didn't help us at a time like that. I think that they could have helped! I don't think that they were obligated to, but they could have helped us! Because that one woman was able to stop that whole brutal crowd by herself. That means they could have, too. It would have been enough foe one man or women to say, What do you think you're doing?"" That's all! That would have done it. There were 60 apartments in our building. Not one person said it! When I was lying on the ground and all those people were standing on their balconies I didn't hear anyone's voice, no one said what are you doing, leave her alone . . . Mamma even told one of the neighbor women that if it had been an Azerbaijani woman in my place they would have dropped a bomb if it would have killed even one Armenian. They would have stood up for one of their own. True, they say that our neighbor from the fourth entryway, an old/ sick woman tried to stop the pogrom. The Azerbaijanis have a custom: if a woman takes her scarf and throws it on the ground, the men are supposed to stop immediately. The old woman from the fourth entryway did that, but they stomped her scarf into the ground, pushed her off to the side, and said, ""If you want to go on living, you'll disappear into your apartment."" So she left. That trick didn't work on them. Even the neighbors who helped us move told me, OK, fine, calm down, forget that it happened. I said I'd only forget it if I told them right then that it had happened to their daughter--and if that didn't have any effect on them, then I would forget everything, too. Imagine that it happened to your sister. And no one did anything. Anything. April 25, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 93-109 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 349,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes: >Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications >has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted >sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to >prevent asthma); Vancenase. Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain. It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect, and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause drowsiness. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 350,8,"Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca Distribution: world Organization: Robert Smits Lines: 21 cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes: > In article <1qeftj$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - > >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturde > >> > >> Only exceptional ones like me. Average ones like you can barely fart > >>by themselves. > > > >Fuck you very much, Mike. > > > > Gentlemen _please_. > -- Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two. Robert Smits Ladysmith BC | If Lucas built weapons, wars emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca | would never start, either. " 351,14,"Subject: Quotation? Lowest bidder... From: bioccnt@otago.ac.nz Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 12 Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation? He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) ""half a million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest bidder....."" Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated. Clive Trotman " 352,16,"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu>, betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: > In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. >> > Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever > really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of > a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" As I understand it was considered unsafe for the tv networks to get any closer. Surely the networks can judge the risks of reporting for themselves. I haven't noticed CNN being banned from Baghdad hotels yet despite the (all too real) risk of having a cruise missile land in the lobby. Incidentally has that ever been explained or are we to assume that out of the whole of the city an off-course missile just happened to hit that hotel at a probability of about 1 in some very large number? Unsafe for who I wonder? -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** " 353,13,"From: nash@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca (John Nash) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.164.10 Organization: National Research Council of Canada Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes: >From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) >Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:59:41 GMT >In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com>, david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: [lots of editing out of previuos posts] >Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to >try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a >girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant >syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different >dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went >home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. >I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in >my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm >not allergic to anything that I know of. >Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am >physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is* >a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer >through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. >I haven't gotten sick yet. Funny about that... my wife (my girlfriend at the time) used to get sick after eating certain foods at various Asian restaurants, and never knew why. She'd go pale, and sweaty and then vomit copiously. A couple of us ventured a connection with MSG, and her response was: ""MSG? What's that?"". It also happened when she pigged out on some brands of savoury crackers and chips... which I noticed (later) had MSG on the label. Don't know about double blinds, but avoiding MSG has stopped her being sick at restaurants. cheers, John John Nash | Email: Nash@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca. Institute for Biological Sciences, | National Research Council of Canada, Cell Physiology Group. | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. *** Disclaimer: All opinions are mine, not NRC's! *** " 354,0,"From: gmiller@worldbank.org (Gene C. Miller) Subject: Re: Radical Agnostic... NOT! Organization: worldbank.org Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr6.013657.5691@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) wrote: > > [reply to zazen@austin.ibm.com (E. H. Welbon)] > > >>> There is no means that i can possibly think of to prove beyond doubt > >>>that a god does not exist (but if anyone has one, by all means, tell me > >>>what it is). Therefore, lacking this ability of absolute proof, being an > >>>atheist becomes an act of faith in and of itself, and this I cannot accept. > >>> I accept nothing on blind faith. > > >>Invisible Pink Flying Unicorns! Need I say more? > > >...I harbor no beliefs at all, there is no good evidence for god > >existing or not. Some folks call this agnosticism. It does not suffer > >from ""blind faith"" at all. I think of it as ""Don't worry, be happy"". > > For many atheists, the lack of belief in gods is secondary to an > epistemological consideration: what do we accept as a reliable way of > knowing? There are no known valid logical arguments for the existence > of gods, nor is there any empirical evidence that they exist. Most > philosophers and theologians agree that the idea of a god is one that > must be accepted on faith. Faith is belief without a sound logical > basis or empirical evidence. It is a reliable way of knowing? > Could you expand on your definition of knowing? It seems a bit monolithic here, but I'm not sure that you intend that. Don't we need, for example, to distinguish between ""knowing"" 2 plus 2 equals 4 (or 2 apples plus 2 apples equals 4 apples), the French ""knowing"" that Jerry Lewis is an auteur, and what it means to say we ""know"" what Socrates said? > This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher > must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell I like this epigraph. Perhaps the issue is learning which, if any, absurdities merit further exploration...Gene " 355,6,"From: tarq@ihlpm.att.com Subject: Forsale - Steyr 9mm Parabellum Organization: AT&T Lines: 25 FOR SALE - Steyr GB 9mm Parabellum ---------------------------------- This is an excellent handgun for the first time buyer or an experienced handgunner. It is in excellent condition. I never had a misfire with it. Make: Steyr Model GB 9mm Parabellum Magazine: 18 rounds Barrel: Hard-chrome-plated inside and outside for long term durability and wear resistance. Fixed mount. Price: $375, obo. Comes with 2 magazines, original owner's manual. Contact: T. Ahmad, ihlpm!tarq, (708)979-0838 (weekdays) " 356,12,"From: keith@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil Subject: Tektronix 453 scope for sale Article-I.D.: radio.623 Lines: 19 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA26719; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:52:02 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA16140; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:56 -0700 X-To: sci.electronics.usenet Tektronix 453 scope for sale: - 50MHz bandwidth - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) - delayed sweep - works fine - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) - no probes - $275 + shipping Email me for more info... Regards, Keith ---- Keith Kanoun, WA2Q kdk@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil " 357,7,"From: nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan) Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT) Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation Lines: 127 ""Jeremy G. Mereness"" says: > >Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in >the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc? > >I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something >a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I >am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX. > >The Probe is the youngest of the bunch, thus my interest in opinions. >But every magazine and ratings book places it as an excellent value. >BTW, the 240SX is rear-wheel drive and is due for a re-design for 1994. > >Thanks in Advance! While I don't read normally read this group, I was looking for Valentine radar information (sigh, maybe in the FAQ) and came across your posting.. I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles) after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, and Celica. Check this month's Consumer Reports for previous Probe records. My criteria: a ""fun"" car with ABS, airbag, over 130hp, and less than $25K. I thought about a turbo, but checking with insurance people ruled that out. The Tri-Star cars (Eclipse/Talon/etc) were out since they don't have an air bag. Ditto for the Mustang(also no ABS). The SE-R/NX2000/M20 fell into the pocket-rocket category. A good used car buy. The MX-6 was almost there but rolled more than I liked. I didn't like the Prelude dash/instrumentation at all. Too weird for me. The MR2 has a much smaller non-passenger space than I needed, so out that went. The Celica was ""ok"" but underpowered when loaded with options (and somewhat overpriced too) in non-turbo form. I never considered the 240SX since it didn't have an airbag. I did look at it for its RWD virtues but that's it. The Corolla never entered my mind. I should have looked at the Mitsubishi VR4/Dodge Stealth more. Since my list was exhausted, I bought the Probe. :-) The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments: My dislikes: Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal. Headlights have ""stuck"" up a few times (weather?) air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch) condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely. crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical) parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical). assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke. Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies! Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when I bash my head on the corner. horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car My Likes: engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1 handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits) transmission (the 5 speed is a must) usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere) Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive) stability at 100+mph (high gearing though) low cowl (good visibility in front) Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather) ABS/Air bag (see above) rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important) No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!) Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-) As you can see, I'm primarily interested in the engine. While it doesn't have the uummmph of a big-liter car or the turbo rush, the big selling point for me was the all-aluminum 24 value 2.5 liter engine. The overall car is a good buy for the money. That market segment hasn't changed much since July (Prelude VTEC, Honda Del Sol??). I drive it to and from work each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable. If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides differently (if that's ""better"" is up to you). Also, there's a lot of glass around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with the heat. I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine. Leather and the keyless entry system weren't available when I got the car so I can't comment on them (I got the car before it was officially announced). I prefer cloth to leather anyway. I wouldn't want this car in the snow: The suspension is too rough for the inevitable surprise potholes, tires aren't meant for snow, and the seats assume that you're not wearing lots of thick clothing. Rain is much better: water generally beads off the windshield at freeway speed, the windshield wiper controls are easy and understandable, and I barely hydroplaned once with the Eagles (and I was really trying). There is also a definite lack of cup holder/small storage places. The GT has map holders below the speakers in the door, but they're rigid plastic that could fit two cassettes or CD's max. The center console/storage bin/arm rest has *1* cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth ""pouch"" but that's it. No change holders. Quite a let-down from the SHO. And the Probe is definitely not a people-mover car or an econo-box car! Lastly, don't store wet car covers in the back. The foam will soak the water up and the result will *not* smell pleasant :-(. Nathan nathan@sco.com > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >|Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: | >|zonker+@cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my| >| FAST Project, CMU-GSIA | Software| opinions, alone. | >|B.S. Mechanical Engineering, CMU| | Ya Gotta Love It. | >| Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This year marks the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights > -- MX: nathan@sco.com ""NO COMMENT""/They're coming to take me away, Ha-Ha! -- Napolean XIV " 358,11,"From: betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 20 Jay Fenton writes: >How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use the warrant for the first tap to get the key. If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an ""un-authorized"" encryption scheme. -- May the Kloo Gnomes be generous to you. Robert Crawford betel@camelot.bradley.edu " 359,16,"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 43 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 16:26:47 GMT In <1r1887INNcsd@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: > In article <1r0v4c$i1j@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) > writes: > > In <1r0poqINNc4k@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: > > > > According to KIKK radio in Houston, all nine survivors are either in hos- > > pitals or in jails. Including the two who allegedly helped start the > >fires. > > In the FBI briefing, no mention was made of having the fire starters in > custody. Which one? The one yesterday, or has there been another? If it was yester- day, catch up. IMO, 90% of all ""conspiracy"" charges are easily explained by the simple fact that in these days of instantaneous news transmission, all kinds of stuff gets said when people really just don't know what the hell's going on. Then the story changes once the facts are in and suddenly cries of ""its all a whitewash!"" start. Naturally, everybody wants to cover his/her ass. > > > Why the total isolation? > > > > Well, it wasn't TOTAL, 100% isolation. After the lawyer snuck in the > > first time, they (the FBI, etc) let him go back inside several times, in- > >cluding, I think, the day before the final assualt. > > Why not his mother? Why not the media? Damnfino. I just tend to take issue with absolute statements that are ob- viously wrong on their face and tend to inflame, not inform. The isolation was significant, but not total. semper fi, Jammer Jim Miller Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________ I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. ""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph " 360,16,"From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com () Subject: Re: RKBA on NYC radio station Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp. Lines: 31 |> Actually, the real reason that Stern was getting a bigger rating share was that |> he was new in D.C., not because of the quality (if you can call it that) of |> his show. After the Fine was issued he started to get better ratings because |> of the curious individuals who wanted to see how bad he actually was. Since |> he came to D.C. he has had a greater turn over of listeners than the ""Grease"" |> has. In other words, more people get sick of him sooner than they do of the |> ""Grease"". After all, saying vagina or penis on the air is hilarious at first, |> the second time it is still a little funny, but when you do it all the time, |> and at the same time, think you are the greatest man on the planet (and tell |> everyone so) than you are going to get old really quick. |> Give it up Mark you are WRONG. |> Excuse me, but if you really new what the show was about, you'd know that he doesn't just say vagina and penis and that is how he get's his ratings. He also addresss real issues as well as being outrageous. I don't hear any of these other idiots doing a funny show and getting into some serious topics at the same time, he get's people to think and entertains them at the same time, so try listening to his show a little closer before you tell them that they are WRONG, and by the way, if he is such a flash in the pan, why do his ratings sustain so well? Hmm? -- ----------------------------------------------- Greg W. Lazar greg@puck.webo.dg.com J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS ----------------------------------------------- " 361,18,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Re: Law and Economics Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 174 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu [Procedural note: Ted directed followups to misc.legal only. While I respect his right to do so, my own opinions are that (1) ""Followup-To"" fields are mere suggestions, not mandatory commands and (2) this issue is of sufficient (a) general political relevance and (b) civil liberties interest to warrant keeping it active in t.p.m and a.s.c-l as well, at least for this round.] In article <1993Apr11.155955.23346@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said: > Uh, no. That's not what happened in _Boomer_. What happened in > _Boomer_ was that the judge didn't allow the plaintiffs to blackmail > the cement plant by demanding a multi-million dollar plant to be shut > down over $185,000 in damages, and required the plant to pay the > plaintiffs the $185,000 to make them whole. The plant would never > have been shut down-- the plaintiff's lawyers would have just > negotiated a windfall settlement, because the plaintiffs would prefer > an amount greater than $185K to having the plant shut down, while the > plant would prefer any amount less than the value of the plant to have > the plant continue in operation. Everyone's property rights were > protected; the plaintiffs were made whole; unnecessary settlement > costs were avoided. Okay, now here's my interpretation of _Boomer_, based on the facts as presented in the New York Court of Appeals<*> holding (_Boomer v. <*>Note: The New York Court of Appeals is the highest court in New York State. While the United States and 48 of the fifty states call their highest court ""Supreme Court,"" ""Supreme Judicial Court"" or ""Supreme Court of Appeals,"" Maryland and New York call theirs simply the ""Court of Appeals."" To make matters worse, New York also calls its _second-highest_ court the ""Supreme Court, Appellate Division""... Atlantic Cement Co._, 26 N.Y.2d 219, 257 N.E.2d 870 (1970)): Oscar H. Boomer, et al., owned land near the Atlantic Cement company's plant near Albany, N.Y. (The fact pattern gives no information as to which came first, the plaintiff's acquisition of the land or he defendant's start of production at their cement plant.) In the course of its regular operations, the cement plant did injury to the plaintiffs' property via dirt, smoke and vibrations emanating from the plant. The plaintiffs sought injunctive relief -- that is, they asked the court to order Atlantic Cement to stop damaging their property. (Commentary: this seems entirely reasonable to me. Boomer at al owned their property and, presumably, a right to quiet enjoyment of it. Atlantic Cement's actions were depriving Boomer et al of that right.) Instead of granting the plaintiffs' request for an injunction, the court ordered them to accept the damage being done to their property, provided that Atlantic Cement paid them $185,000 in compensatory damages. In other words, the court granted Atlantic Cement Co., a private party, the power and authority to _take_ the plaintiffs rights to quiet enjoyment of their property by eminent domain. A taking by eminent domain is always problematical even when it's done by the state; allowing a private firm to do it is, in my opinion, totally wrong. (Yes, I know, the _Boomer_ court didn't call it eminent domain. But if it walks like eminent domain and swims like eminent domain and quacks like eminent domain...) Let me take issue with the way you've presented the case... you say that ""What happened in _Boomer_ was that the judge didn't allow the plaintiffs to blackmail the cement plant by demanding a multi-million dollar plant to be shut down over $185,000 in damages."" Blackmail? (Pulls out Black's Law Dictionary, Abridged 5th Edition.... ""Blackmail: Unlawful demand of money or property under threat to do bodily harm, to injure property, to accuse of crime, or to expose disgraceful defects. This crime is commonly included under extortion statutes."") How do you define as ""blackmail"" one party's act of demanding the right to set its own sale price for a unique piece of property which it owns and which another party has expressed an interest in buying? Or of demanding the right not to sell that property at any price? As I see it, Boomer et al, having found themselves in the fortunate position of owning something which Atlantic Cement had to purchase if it wanted to stay in business, had every right in the world to set whatever price they wanted. There isn't, or at least shouldn't be, any law that says that you have to be a nice guy in your private business dealings. You go on to say: ""The plant would never have been shut down -- the plaintiff's lawyers would have just negotiated a windfall settlement, because the plaintiffs would prefer an amount greater than $185K to having the plant shut down, while the plant would prefer any amount less than the value of the plant to have the plant continue in operation."" If so, so what? Since when are the courts supposed to be in the business of preventing parties from reaping windfall settlements from other parties when those settlements arise from wrongful acts by those other parties? If Atlantic Cement didn't want to have to face a choice between paying a windfall settlement or going out of business, well, shouldn't Atlantic Cement have thought of that before going _into_ business? (I note that as far as the facts show Boomer et al were _not_ the parties responsible for bringing about this situation -- that was Atlantic Cement's own fault for choosing to build and operate the type of plant they did where and when they did.) And then you say: ""Everyone's property rights were protected; the plaintiffs were made whole; unnecessary settlement costs were avoided."" As above, I dispute your claim that the plaintiffs were ""made whole."" They were, in fact, by court action deprived of their rights as owners of property to choose to sell or not sell that property at a price acceptable to them. And for that deprivation they were _not_ made whole. And again I ask: Since when are the courts supposed to be in the business of ensuring that ""unnecessary"" settlement costs are avoided? (If so, I've been miseducated -- I always thought that the courts were supposed to be in the business of ensuring that justice is done.) > Is _Boomer_ really being taught as ""infamous?"" That's really sad if > it is, because I fail to see how it's less than completely sensible. > You should read the law and economics stuff first-hand instead of > filtered through teachers who clearly don't like it, for whatever > inexplicable reasons. (1) _Boomer_ is not being taught as ""infamous,"" at least not at my school. (Aside: Northeastern Law usually does a very good job of hiring for their first-year, mandatory classes (such as Torts, where I first encountered _Boomer_) instructors who, regardless of their personal opinions, can and do teach the law neutrally. When the students get into their second and third years, in which the students (a) can pick and choose which courses to take (except for the mandatory Professional Responsibility, of course) and (b) are presumed to be a bit more worldly and self-confident, less likely to be consciously or sub-consciously intimidated by Law School Professors and able to learn from openly biased instructors rather than be indoctrinated by them, the instructors tend to be more open in expressing their own opinions. This is especially true of part-time instructors who, in real life, are practicing attorneys or sitting judges... this can be _very_ educational, sometimes far more so than being taught by a somewhat cloistered scholar. End of aside.) I called it infamous because that's my opinion of it. For the reasons I've stated above, I believe it to be a triumph of something that I can only call ""economic correctness"" over justice. (2) It is ""completely sensible"" only if you believe that the alleged right of the owners of Atlantic Cement to stay in business and avoid losing a lot of their own money due to their own wrongful act, and the alleged right of several hundred Atlantic Cement employees to not have their jobs disappear, should trump the rights of people who own property which was damaged by Atlantic Cement's wrongful acts. (And if you believe that it is correct for the courts (or any other branch of government) to grant to private parties the right to take other people's property by eminent domain.) > You'd like Posner, Bill. He's a libertarian. Really? I didn't know that... what, if anything, has he had to say about cases like _Boomer_? > Of course, he has too much of a paper trail to ever be nominated by a > president, Democrat (won't like his antitrust stance) or Republican > (won't like his support of gay marriage), and if bright law students > ""shiver"" at what they don't understand, it's easy to imagine how the > press will play it up as baby-selling. (I've seen Mike Godwin claim > that Posner asserts that law and economics is applicable to everything > and is the end-all and be-all, when Posner says precisely the > opposite.) So it goes. I've admitted that my understanding of the field generally referred to as ""law and economics"" is weak. If it advocates the use of economical analysis as one of many ""tie-breaker"" factors which courts may use to help them reach decisions in cases in which the dispute, as measured by the scale of ""justice"", is evenly balanced, fine. But as illustrated by _Boomer_, it is _not_ fine when the courts start viewing the economics of a case as being more important than the justice of a case. -- William December Starr " 362,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) writes: > It's hard to know what/who to believe. However, the letter I received from > the BATF, in response to one I sent to Bentsen, said that there was a search > warrant AND an arrest warrant. Check again. You may find that the arrest warrant was issued AFTER the first firefight. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 363,3,"From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) Subject: Re: 80486DX-50 vs 80486DX2-50 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu In-reply-to: hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz's message of 13 Apr 93 01:34:36 GMT In article <1qd5bcINNmep@golem.wcc.govt.nz> hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Michael Hamilton) writes: Do you really need to switch to a DX2/66 instead of a DX50? As I understand it, DX50's can have local bus devices (on the mother-board?) but not local bus slots. And according to what I been told, many systems go beyond the VESA local bus standard in order to provide DX50 systems with a local bus slot capability. I have definitly seen a mother board with 2 local bus slots which claimed to be able to support any CPU, including the DX2/66 and DX50. Can someone throw some more informed light on this issue? You will need to check with peripheral makers to see if their boards will work at 50 MHz. Some will with some motherboards. - Tony catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu " 364,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 18 > Oh, this all sounds so nice! Everyone helping each other and always smiling > and fluffy bunnies everywhere. Wake up! People are just not like that. It > seems evident from history that no society has succeeded when it had to rely > upon the goodwill and unselfishness of the people. Isn't it obvious from > places like Iran that even if there are only a few greedy people in society > then they are going to be attracted to positions of power? Sounds like a > recipe for disaster. Looking at historical evidence such 'perfect utopian' islamic states didn't survive. I agree, people are people, and even if you might start an Islamic revolution and create this perfect state, it takes some time and the internal corruption will destroy the ground rules -- again. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 365,11,"From: george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon Lines: 25 langford@gems.vcu.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr20.213718.23129@husc3.harvard.edu>, kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: >> Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, >> I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: >> gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the >> issue as well as the First-Amendment side. >Hmmm, this gave me an interesting idea. How about this argument: >1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. >2) Strong cryptography is ""arms"", according to the U.S. government (that's > why it's so hard to export). >Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography! >Q.E.D. >[. . .] Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? I think a new organization would be a much better idea, as the NRA carries as much undesireable baggage for me as the EFF and CPSR do for others. Are any hot-shot, reputable organizers reading this message? If an effective group comes into existence, it can count on me signing up. -- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com) " 366,4,From: aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca (David A. Hughes) Subject: Sound Recording for Mac Portable? Reply-To: aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca (David A. Hughes) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 14 Does anyone know what hardware is required and where I could find it for sound recording on the Mac Portable. Thanks -- David Hughes |aa341@Freenet.carleton.ca Secretary | National Capital FreeNet |VE3 TKP 367,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 159 >In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: >|> >|> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >|> >|> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, >|> Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with >|> attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the >|> other respects innocent lives? > Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are > using civilians for cover, ""Assuming""? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in this (or any) discussion, it doesn't help to bring up elements I never addressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is ""right"" or who is ""wrong"", only that civilians ARE being used as cover and that, having been placed ""in between"" the Israelis and the guerillas, they *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight. [The *purpose* of an army's use of military uniforms is *to set its members apart* from the civilians so that civilians will not be thought of by the other side as ""combatants"". So, what do you think is the ""meaning behind"", the intention and the effect when an ""army"" purposely *does not were uniforms but goes out of its way to *look like civilians'? *They are judging that the benefit they will receive from this ""cover"" is more important that the harm that will come to civilians.* This is a comment on the Israeli experience and is saying that the guerillas *do* have some responsibility in putting civilians in ""the middle"" of this fight. By putting on uniforms and living apart from civilians (barracks, etc.), the guerillas would significantly lower the risk to civilians. But if the guerillas do this aren't *they* putting themselves at greater risk? Absolutely, they ask themselves ""why set ourselves apart (by wearing uniforms) when there is a ready-made cover for us (civilians)? That makes sense from their point of view, BUT when this cover is used, the guerillas should accept some of the responsibility for subsequent harm to civilians. > If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why > is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why > not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there > is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... > ""GETTING BACK""...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the > villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli > government for the lives of civilians. I agree with you here. I have always thought that Israel's bombing sortees and bombing policy is stupid, thoughtless, inhumane AND ineffective. BUT, there is no reason that Israel should passive wait until attackers chose to act; there is every reason to believe that ""taking the fight *to* the enemy"" will do more to stop attacks. As I said previously, Israel spent several decades ""sitting passively"" on its side of a border and only acting to stop these attacks *after* the attackers had entered Israeli territory. It didn't work very well. The ""host"" Arab state did little/nothing to try and stop these attacks from its side of the border with Israel so the number of attacks were considerably higher, as was their physical and psychological impact on the civilians caught in their path. > >|> What?So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states >|> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will >|> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the >|> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their >|> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way >|> Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of >|> tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". >|> > If Israel is not willing to accept the ""word"" of others then, IMHO, it has > no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. This is just another ""selectively applied"" statement. The reason for this drawn-out impasse between Ababs/Palestinians and Israelis is that NEITHER side is willing to accept the Word of the other. By your criteria *everyone* should stay away from the negotiations. That is precisely why the Palestinians (in their recent PISGA proposal for the ""interim"" period after negotiations and leading up to full autonomy) are demanding conditions that essentially define ""autonomy"" already. They DO NOT trust that Israel will ""follow through"" the entire process and allow Palestinians to reach full autonomy. Do you understand and accept this viewpoint by the Palestinians? If you do, then why should Israel's view of Arabs/Palestinians be any different? Why should they trust the Arab/Palestinians' words? Since they don't, they are VERY reluctant to give up ""tangible assets (land, control of areas) in exchange for ""words"". For this reason, they are also concerned about the sorts of ""guarantees"" they will have that the Arabs WILL follow through on their part of any agreement reached. > >But don't you see that the same statement can be made both ways? >If Lebanon was interested in peace then it should accept the word >of Israel that the attacks were the cause for war and disarming the >Hizbollah will remove the cause for its continued occupancy. Absolutely, so are the Arabs/Palestinians asking FIRST for the Israelis ""word"" in relation to any agreement? NO, what is being demanded FIRST is LAND. When the issue is LAND, and one party finally gets HOLD of this ""land"", what the ""other party"" does is totally irrelevent. If I NOW have possession of this land, your words have absolutely no power; whether Israel chooses to keeps its word does NOT get the land back. >Afterall, Israel has already staged two parts of the withdrawal from >areas it occupied in Lebanon during SLG. > > Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been > disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does > not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up > Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. While the ""major armaments"" (those allowing people to wage ""civil wars"") have been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still remain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and ""commando"" raids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard for human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue. > Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon > and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't > make the Lebanese so mad as to do that. Bat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks were commonplace. >Furthermore, with Hezbollah subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible. There is NO WAY these groups can be effectively ""disarmed"" UNLESS the state is as authoritarian is Syria's. The only other way is for Lebanon to take it upon itself to constantly patrol the entire border with Israel, essentially mirroring Israel's border secirity on its side. It HAS TO PROVE TO ISREAL that it is this committed to protecting Israel from attack from Lebanese territory. > >|> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain >|> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel. >|> > Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border? > Not lately, eh? That's what I said, ok? But, doesn't that mean that Syria has to ""take over"" Lebanon? I don't think Israel or Lebanon would like that. > What both ""sides"" need is to receive something ""tangible"". The Arabs/ Palestinians are looking for ""land"" and demanding that they receive it prior to giving anything to Israel. Israel has two problems: 1) if it gives up real *land* it IS exposing itself to a changed geostrategic situation (and that change doesn't help Israel's position), and 2) WHEN it gives up this land IT NEEDS to receive something in return to compensate for the increased risks Tim " 368,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Re: Definition of ""two up""? Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu > So following that logic could you describe ""Two down"" >as the transition period between ""Two Up"" and ""coming to >rest after a High or low side"" ? Otherwise it sounds pretty >good. :-) >-- >Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Or perhaps it's referring to the wife and child sitting in the sidecar next to the one-up on the moto? :) Anyone ever heard of a game called oneup-onedown? (it's a drinking game, for all you older folx...:) -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 369,19,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 15 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) says: >... or consider the thousands in Central America killed by those brave >CIA/NSC sponsored ""Freedom Fighters."" > >Thus far, Slick Willie is a piker. ONLY if you weight Americans equal to SAlvadorans. I don't. " 370,10,"From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL Season in review (off ice stuff) Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 114 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Here is a review of some of the off-ice things that have affected the AHL this year. ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS PROBLEMS The St John's Maple Leafs sophomore season has been plagued by problems. On-ice, the Leafs won the Atlantic Division title but off ice was less happy. A strike by public workers has forced the leafs out of the Newfoundland city for much of the last half of the seaosn (since mid-Jan). They have played ""home"" games in places like Montreal, Cornwall and Charlottetown. Their playoff ""home"" games will be played in the Metro Center in Halifax, NS. One demostration got violent. Workers attacked a Leafs' bus and rocked it and broke windows in the St John's Memorial Stadium. Despite the problems, Toronto officials insist that the Leafs will return to St John's once the strike ends. =================================================== SENATORS SOLD The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to the Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian NHL team with an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear they intend to move the team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic Provinces. This sale and move has yet to be approved by the AHL head office, but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting in May. The quote in the story from Jack Butterfield made it clear the league was more interested in the stability of the AHL franchise accompanied by NHL ownership, rather than maintaining the 56-year history of the AHL in New Haven. The Senators are currently in serious negotiations with Charlottetown New Brunswick and are expected to move there. ================================================== DALLAS HELPS HAWKS STAY IN MONCTON After announcing that they would pull their affiliation out of Moncton, the Winnipeg Jets changed their mind. The Jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing their minor league roster from 20-something to around a dozen; and they wanted to share with an existing AHL or IHL franchise. Enter the Dallas Lone Stars. Dallas agreed to supply the remaining 6 or 8 players to the Moncton franchise. Thus keeping the Hawks in the New Brunswick city. The deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if the season ticket base increases to over 3000. The Hawks only sold 1400 for this year. ============================================================ SAINT JOHN FLAMES OFFICIAL The Calgary Flames have officially signed a deal with the city of Saint John, NB. The Saint John Blue Flames will play in the 6200 Exhibition Center. The Flames still have to apply for an expansion frnachise from the AHL but are expected to have no trouble. ========================================================= CAPS FOLLOW JACKS TO MAINE Despite rumors to the contrary, the Capitals will follow the Baltimore Skipjacks to Maine. The Caps' current farm team, the Baltimore Skipjacks, announced that they would move to Maine and become the Portland Pirates. There was much doubt as to if the Caps would follow but they announced a limited deal with Portland. They would supply a dozen or so players including 2 goalies. They become the third team to announce a limited farm team along with Moncton and the Capital District Islanders. ====================================================== AHL GAME OF THE WEEK In early January, the AHL started a game of the week. The game, produced by, I believe, Pyman Productions, was televised across the Canadian Maritimes and northeastern US. The first few weeks saw two games of the week, one in Canada and another in the US but since then, there has been only one. Sunday afternoon and night games were covered and shown on Sportschannel NY and NE in the US and, I believe, Atlantic Sports Network in Canada (but I'm not sure about that). I am not sure if playoff games will be covered. ===================================================== UTICA GONE? SYRACUSE ADDED? There were heavy rumors that the Utica Devils will not be around next season. There were rumors that they might be headed to a midwestern city and that the city of Syracuse is trying to lure them. ===================================================== WHAT THE AHL MIGHT LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR ONE OPTION ANOTHER OPTION Northern Division Southern Division ADIRONDACK RED WINGS ADIRONDACK SPRINGFIELD INDIANS SPRINGFIELD PROVIDENCE BRUINS PROVIDENCE CD ISLANDERS CDI PORTLAND PIRATES HERSHEY BINGHAMTON Southern Division ROCHESTER HERSHEY BEARS HAMILTON BINGHAMTON RANGERS UTICA ROCHESTER AMERICANS HAMILTON CANUCKS Atlantic Division UTICA (?) DEVILS PORTLAND ST JOHN'S Atlantic Division SAINT JOHN ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS MONCTON MONCTON HAWKS HALIFAX HALIFAX CITADELS FREDERICTON CAPE BRETON OILERS CAPE BRETON FREDERICTON CANADIENS CHARLOTTETOWN SAINT JOHN BLUE FLAMES CHARLOTTETOWN SENATORS (move is unofficial as yet) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champ: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High School, Division II NY State Champs: '90 '91 + + Join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS HOCKEY: 1993 ECAC CHAMPIONS!!! + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 371,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 19 In article <115846@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: (Deletion) >Certainly. It is a central aspect of Islam to show mercy and to give >those who've done wrong (even presuming Rushdie _did_ violate Islamic >Law) and committed crimes. This was the basis for my posts regarding >leniency which seemed not to have penetrated Benedikt's skull. You have demanded harsh punishments of several crimes. Repeating offenders have slipped in only as justification of harsh punishment at all. Typically religious doublespeak. Whenever you have contradictory statements you choose the possibility that suits your current argument. It is disgusting that someone with ideas that would make Theodore KKKaldis feel cozy can go along under the protection of religion. Gregg, tell us, would you kill idolaters? Benedikt " 372,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security Keywords: nothing will stop a really determined thief Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 24 In article <2500@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: |> I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without |> the |> dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened. |> |> He said, ""Somebody stole m' damn dog!"". They left the Harley |> behind. |> Animal Rights people have been know to do that to other ""Bike riding dogs.cats and Racoons. -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 373,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Language and agreement Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 59 I responded to Jim's other articles today, but I see that I neglected to respond to this one. I wouldn't want him to think me a hypocrite for not responding to *every* stupid article on t.r.m. m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: >From my handy dictionary: [dictionary definitions of ""not"" ""disagree"" and ""agree"" deleted] >Please operationally differentiate between ""not disagree"" and ""agree"". Oh, but I'm weary of trying to wade through Jim's repertoire of red herrings and smoke screens. Let's see what we get when we run all four articles posted by Jim today through the 'discord' filter (a Markov chain program that Steve Lamont was kind enough to send me): Taking action? A white geese be held as an accomplice to be held as a decision upon the door A black and white goose waddles past the eyes of the door. Hits it with the confidence interval for that individual is held responsible for that, that individual may be held as a getaway car may be held as an uncountably large number of the driver of something and agree. A black goose waddles past the person imprisoned? White goose waddles past the confidence interval for the population of geese be axed, fine. And white goose waddles past the door. Does running Jim's articles through 'discord' make them more coherent? Less coherent? Or has 'discord' turned Jim's articles into an angst-ridden poem about making choices in a world filled with uncertainty, yet being held responsible for the choices we make? Do the geese symbolize an inner frustration with ambiguity, a desire that everything be black and white, with no shades of gray? Does the ""getaway car"" tell us that to try to renounce the existential nature of our being is not to ""get away"" from responsibility for our actions, but rather to take the role of the passive accomplice, the ""driver"" of the getaway car, as it were? Does the juxtaposition of man and machine, car and driver, reveal a subtext: an internal conflict between determinism and moral responsibility? Or am I reading too much into a collaboration between Jim and a random number generator? dj " 374,14,"From: pwg25888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Patrick W. Grady) Subject: Re: Did any DC-X gifs show up? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils) writes: >In article <1qgiah$h9g@news.cerf.net> diaspar@nic.cerf.net (Diaspar Virtual Reality Network) writes: >>The rollout was great and I got lots of great shots. I attended >>the press briefing and got shots of the DC-Y model, too. All >>in 3D >> >>David H. Mitchell >> >> >David, > Are you still planing on scanning these and posting them >somewhere? Hope Hope Hope. If you could that would be GREAT. >Thanks for report of the rollout as well >take care >Doug They did the rollout already??!? I am going to have to pay more attention to the news. Are any of the gifs headed for wuarchive?? Patrick -- Patrick Grady |How do they manage it, these humans-beginning pwg25888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu |each time so innocently, yet always ending up pwg25888@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu |with the most blood on their hands? |Fathertree to bugger, O.S. Card's _Xenocide_ " 375,1,"From: lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi) Subject: Looking for Mr. radon Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: homam.cs.buffalo.edu Does anyone have a radon transform in C that they could send me? Any help accepted, -- | .-, ###|For a lot of .au music: ftp sounds.sdsu.edu | / / __ , _ ###|then cat file.au > /dev/audio | \_>/ >_/ (_/\_/<>_ |UB library catalog:telnet bison.acsu.buffalo.edu |_ 14261 _|(When in doubt ask: xarchie, xgopher, or xwais.) " 376,3,From: x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu Subject: What's the diff.between mouse.sys/com?? Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 8 What's the difference between loading mouse.com in autoexec.bat and doing device=mouse.sys in config.sys?? which one is better? Thanks a lot enrique 377,2,"From: charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Nntp-Posting-Host: tinman Organization: Prodigy Services Company, White Plains, NY Lines: 11 Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to would be pirates? -Charles -- Charles Emmons | charles@trintex.uucp | These opinions are Prodigy Services Co. | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856 | you would like to PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A | FAX 914-993-8659 | share them. " 378,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 21 In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: }>On a }>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on }>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the }>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for }>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*. } }...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE. It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle. Not only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike (a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very carefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned the handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other words, they were *NOT* countersteering. So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers... -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 379,14,"From: chico@ccsun.unicamp.br (Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues) Subject: New planet/Kuiper object found? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 28 Tonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object, beyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They named the object Karla. The program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and should be composed by rocks and ices. Can someone confirm these information? Could this object be a new planet or a Kuiper object? Thanks in advance. Francisco. -----------------------=====================================----the stars,---- | ._, | Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues | o o | | ,_| |._/\ | | o o | | | |o/^^~-._ | COTUCA-Colegio Tecnico da UNICAMP | o | |/-' BRASIL | ~| | o o o | |\__/|_ /' | Depto de Processamento de Dados | o o o o | | \__ Cps | . | | o o o o | | | * __/' | InterNet : chico@ccsun.unicamp.br | o o o | | > /' | cotuca@ccvax.unicamp.br| o | | /' /' | Fone/Fax : 55-0192-32-9519 | o o | | ~~^\/' | Campinas - SP - Brasil | o o | -----------------------=====================================----like dust.---- " 380,5,From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Re: Expose Events Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Please excuse my previous posting. It was appended to this thread by accident. --> Robert 381,4,"From: erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams) Subject: HELP!! My Macintosh ""luggable"" has lines on its screen! Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA. Distribution: comp Lines: 20 Okay, I don't use it very much, but I would like for it to keep working correctly, at least as long as Apple continues to make System software that will run on it, if slowly :-) Here is the problem: When the screen is tilted too far back, vertical lines appear on the screen. They are every 10 pixels or so, and seem to be affected somewhat by opening windows and pulling down menus. It looks to a semi-technical person like there is a loose connection between the screen and the rest of the computer. I am open to suggestions that do not involve buying a new computer, or taking this one to the shop. I would also like to not have to buy one of Larry Pina's books. I like Larry, but I'm not sure I feel strongly enough about the computer to buy a service manual for it. On a related note: what does the monitor connector connect to? Erik " 382,16,"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: . Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >... >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. >No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, >than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. > >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. You know, in many ways this might be just the kick we need to straighten things out in this country. Also, people would have a need to replace guns with something else, perhaps deadly sprays that would make Mace and OC seem like water. They would be lighter and easier to conceal. Guns are really ""old"" in design and as long as we have tons of them, no one is motivated to design something better. I'm sure we could come up with some real nasty stuff if we tried and getting rid of these guns would get us moving on this track asap. This is what we really want, right? Stuff that's smaller, lighter and far more deadly. Remember, in this country we'll really scramble to accomplish impossible feats if we are motivated enough and I think ""self-defense"" is high on our list of motivators. " 383,17,"From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: Serdar Argic Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel Lines: 42 In <1993Apr13.194543.225925@fourd.com> bill_paxton@fourd.com writes: >Hello Serdar, > I would like very much to meet you. Where are you located? >Let me know as soon as possible where we can meet. I am looking forward to >meeting you. I don't know how to reach Serdar, but you might be able to reach his sysadmin by email, phone, or snail-mail. Here is information from rs.internic.net: Ahmet Cosar (ANATOLIA-DOM) 1530 S. 6th St. Suite C705 Minneapolis, Minnesota, 55454 Domain Name: ANATOLIA.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cosar, Ahmet (AC234) cosar@ANATOLIA.ORG 612-376-7873 And here is what ""finger cosar@umn.edu"" gets you: name: Ahmet Cosar-1 info: Last registered 1993 Winter Qtr Internet mailbox: cosa0001@student.tc.umn.edu other mailbox: PROFS: COSA0001@UMNTCML postal address: 1530 So 6th St Apt C705 Minneapolis MN 55454 surname: Cosar telephone: +1 612-376-7873 title: Grad userid: cosa0001 X.400 mailbox: /G=Ahmet/S=Cosar-1/OU=mail/O=tc/PRMD=umn.edu/ADMD= /C=us/ -- /|/-\/-\ |__/__/_/ |warren@ / nysernet.org " 384,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station, Go Commerical. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.191701.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Sounds liek what the FED has to do is sign a 50 or more year lease to use certain parts of a space station that is built and designed and such by a commerical company or consortium of companies (such as like Alyeska) for a small amount of rent in return for certain incentives and such.. Such as tax and other right off and also a monopoly on certain products.. The commerical builders would have certain perks given to them to make there end easier (taxes , contracts, regulatory concesions and such..) Is it workable, just might work.. After all, if China can lease out Hong Kong and the people of Hong Kong can make money, this could work.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 385,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 44 In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: :What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of :had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the : :With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed :more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is : :With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with :mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few I hope this is a joke... if not, here's my response: The BATF has a history of no-knock raids with poor evidence, often resulting in innocent people being killed or suffering injury to person or property. I will NOT support the BATF until they clean up their act... Maybe... As to equipment, the BATF has damn near anything it wants... Their faults were in intelligence (military and civilian definitions apply), tactics (attacking during DAYLIGHT??), methodology (the FBI stated that it is against government policy to assault a position where there are non-combatants/potential hostages without attempting negotiations first), and legality. The BATF's jurisdiction is TAXES on firearms and tobacco. They are a branch of the department of the treasury. They have very curiously backed away from their claims of illegal weaponry to push the child-abuse charges... The BATF has no jurisdiction over non-firearms/tobacco issues! And the charges of child-abuse had been investigated in the past with no violence and no validation. This was a clear case of first the BATF, then the FBI, having watched too many Rambo movies... My opinion is that the agent in charge should be charged with executing an illegal raid, criminal negligence, murder, civil rights violations, and breaking his/her oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the US. The warrant should be unsealed to reveal to the public what justification the BATF thought it had in committing an armed assault on American citizens. And while on the issue of investigating this issue, the Randy Weaver case and the Johnny Lawmaster case should be investigated for BATF wrongdoing. James btw, if the BATF came busting in my windows with concussion grenades, you could damn well bet I would return fire to the utmost of my ability. -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 386,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Rick's reply Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 201 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Rick Anderson replied to my letter with... ra> In article , ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: ra> ra> > Well, Jason, it's heretical in a few ways. The first point is that ra> > this equates Lucifer and Jesus as being the same type of being. ra> > However, Lucifer is a created being: ""Thou [wast] perfect in thy ra> > ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in ra> > thee."" (Ezekiel 28:15). While Jesus is uncreated, and the Creator of ra> > all things: ""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with ra> > God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ra> > All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made ra> > that was made."" (John 1:1-3) ""And he is before all things, and by ra> > him all things consist."" (Colossians 1:17) ra> ra> Your inference from the Ezekiel and John passages that Lucifer was ra> ""created"" and that Jesus was not depends on a particular interpetation of ra> the word ""create"" -- one with which many Christians may not agree. ra> Granted the Mormon belief that all of God's children (including Christ ra> and Lucifer) are eternally existent intelligences which were ""organized"" ra> into spirit children by God, the term ""creation"" can apply equally well ra> to both of those passages. Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the conclusion that you grant. The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. ra> > Your point that we all are brothers of Jesus and Lucifer is also ra> > heretical, since we are not innately brothers and sisters of Christ. ra> > We are adopted, ""For ye have not received the spirit of bondage ra> > again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby ra> > we cry, Abba, Father."" (Romans 8:15); and not the natural children ra> > of God. It is only through faith that we even enter the family of ra> > God; ""For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."" ra> > (Galatians 3:26). And it is only through the manifestation of this ra> > faith in receiving Jesus that we are become the sons of God. ""But ra> > as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of ra> > God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not ra> > of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but ra> > of God."" (John 1:12-13) ra> ra> Has it occured to you, Robert, that being ""born of"" someone or being ra> of that person (or Person)'s ""family"" may be a symbolic term in the New ra> Testament? Mormons believe that we are ""adopted"" into the House of ra> Israel through baptism and faith in Christ, although some have expressed ra> belief that this does evince a physical change in our bodies. The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; (Matthew 13:38) I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. (John 8:38) Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:41-44) And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (Acts 13:10) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Ephesians 2:2) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:10) One becomes a child of God... But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:1-2) ...when he is born again through faith in Jesus Christ: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (Ephesians 1:5) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Romans 8:14-16) Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. (1 John 4:7) Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (1 John 5:1) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26) ra> > We are told that, ""And this is life eternal, that they might know ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."" ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and ra> > not the construct of imagination. ra> ra> ra> Robert, with all due respect, who died and left you Chief Arbiter of ra> Correct Biblical Interpretation? I don't mean to be snotty about this, ra> but the fact is that the Bible is so differently interpreted by different ra> groups of Biblical scholars (what do you think of the Jehovah's ra> Witnesses, for example?) that to make reference to the ""Jesus of the ra> Bible"" is simply ridiculous. Whose ""Jesus of the Bible"" do you mean? This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. For example, the fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Deity of Christ does not alter what the Bible teaches [ ""Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"" (Titus 2:13),""Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"" (2 Peter 1:1)] on the Deity of Christ. We first look to the Bible to see what it teaches. To discount, or not even address, what the Bible teaches because there are some groups that have differing views is self-defeating. To see what the Bible teaches, you have to look at the Bible. ra> > ""Our Lord's mortality was essential to his own salvation"" (_The ra> > Promised Messiah_, p. 456), ""He had to work out his own salvation by ra> > doing the will of the Father in all things"" (ibid., p.54), ""he had ra> > to be baptized to gain admission to the celestial kingdom"" (_Mormon ra> > Doctrine_, p.71). ra> ra> Welcome to the wonderful world of Mormon paradoctrine, Robert. The ra> above books are by the late Bruce R. McConkie, a former general authority ra> of the LDS Church. Those books were not published by the Church, nor do ra> they constitute ""offical doctrine."" They consist of his opinions. Now, ra> does that mean that what he says is not true? Not at all; I'll have to ra> think about the idea of Christ's personal salvation before I come to any ra> conclusions myself. The conclusions I come to may seem ""heretical"" to ra> you, but I'm prepared to accept that. I find this rather curious. When I mentioned that the Mormon belief is that Jesus needed to be saved, I put forward some quotes from the late apostle, Bruce McConkie. The curious part is that no one addressed the issue of `Jesus needing to be saved.' Rick comes the closest with his ""I have my own conclusions"" to addressing the point. Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may certainly be. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu " 387,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13 In article <15407@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: #There is a big difference between running one's business #affairs, and actively ripping people off. And charging homosexuals more becuase people think that AIDS is a ""gay disease"" is actively ripping people off. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 388,5,"From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Subject: Re: Help building X11R5 with gcc Keywords: X11R5, gcc Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr6.024257.8480@etrog.se.citri.edu.au> tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) writes: |> Can people please send me any hints on building X11R5 with gcc 2.3.3 ? Is |> there any pitfalls to be avoided ? Any hints ? I would appreciate hearing other |> peoples' stories on this. I have been building X11 with gcc since 2.1 and the only time I had trouble was when the position independant code option broke (so I couldn't use gcc to build Sun shared libraries). The important thing to do is to follow the tips given in the gcc release. Gcc generates code that requires libgcc2 and you should take that into account when deciding which compiler to use for the libraries. -- Michael Salmon #include #include #include Ericsson Telecom AB Stockholm " 389,18,"From: New Liberation News Service Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483600108:000:9540 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nlns Apr 14 20:42:00 1993 Lines: 164 From: New Liberation News Service Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face /* Written 8:33 pm Apr 14, 1993 by nlns@igc.apc.org in igc:nlns.news */ /* ---------- ""NLNS Packet 3.11 *** 4-14-93"" ---------- */ Fascism with a Friendly Face: Does Rush Limbaugh Remind You of Anyone? Daevid Bornhuetter-Machen, The Madison Edge ""The main difference between Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh is that Hitler was original and showed initiative."" --Mort Sahl on The Tom Snyder Radio Show, ABC Radio Network, October 27, 1992. (NLNS)--Believe it or not, I was planning this comparative review of Mein Kampf and Limbaugh's transcribed rant, The Way Things Ought to Be before Sahl issued his comparative review. As usual, Sahl's was independent and sharp as a scalpel. My effort can only dream of comparing favorably to Mort's. At least it has a fairly popular orginating premise; everyone I'd mention the idea to thought it was either divinely inspired or at least past due for delivery. Those reactions are based on parallels that should be obvious to the most peripheral observer of the Acts of those False Prophets. Both are noted for their galvanizing oratorical skills, which they both used with passion to generate a political cult of massive numerical proportions (in fact, Limbaugh claims to have an audience of just over 12 million, almost identical to the number of votes cast for Hitler in the April 1932 German election). Both used a myopic social perspective to build the cult, and enthusiastically amputated facts from the record to fabricate their ideological quilt. The last point is glaringly documented by passages in the opening pages of both books. Hitler's example is when, on page 5, he claims the German nationalist terrorist Leo Schlageter (he bombed part of a railway line between Dusseldorf and Duisburg, being caught in the act, in 1923) was ""betrayed to France by a representative of his government"" when there has never been any factual foundation for such a statement. In fact, the governments of both the Reich and Prussia, as well as the Vatican, actively intervened to save him from execution, and almost succeeded. Limbaugh follows suit by making the hysterically sarcastic claim in his introduction that ""in a school or during a commencement ceremony or many other public places... God is unconstitutional."" Of course, it's not God but the official imposition of particular concepts of God against an individual's will that's unconstitutional. But Limbaugh is too gleeful in his talent for distortion to want you to know that. Of course, one would assume that, by comparing the two books, my main point would be that The Way Things Ought to Be is the modern American Mein Kampf. Not really. At the time of the first German version of Mein Kampf, Hitler was just four months out of prison (June, 1925), and trying to reorganize the Nazis. He used the book to build his dozen million followers. Limbaugh, on the other hand, came up with his book after building his dozen million. Twelve million went a longer way in Weimar Germany that it does in the Republicrat United States. Thus, the more accurate parallels would be that Limbaugh's daily three-hour radio show is the American Mein Kampf, the primary propoganda tool used to pump up the angry volume; and that The Way Things Ought to Be is actually the American Triumph of the Will, a translation of the same fascist message into a different medium. Also, the printed word was the more important medium in Weimar Germany, since radio was still being thought of by impoverished Germans as a medium of luxury in 1925. Today, on the other hand, Americans are more likely to spend a few seconds to tune a radio dial at no monetary charge than drop $22 for 304 pages of transcripts of the same words. But, as Mort Sahl also observed on the radio the other night, some cloutmeister of the radical right wants Limbaugh to be a focal point of their propoganda. (And remember, Sahl is an Al Haig conservative these days.) Mort might not know exactly who Rush's equivalent of Rodolf Hess is (the book itself suggests Ed McLaughlin, the former president of ABC radio and now Limbaugh's partner in EFM Media, the radio program's production company). But Mort himself is a veteran of the talk show, having hosted them in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. He knows what evil lurks in the hearts of major market media men. He knows that Limbaugh could not have collected his audience had not the opportunity been placed on a silver platter and handed to him. Limbaugh earns his money just as honestly as Al Capone did; it's almost worthy of a RICO indictment. On questions of social issues, there is an overabundance of material in the Limbaugh book that seems to echo Hitler's venom. For example: On Their Own Qualifications to Control Society Hitler: ""Out of the host of sometimes millions of people, who individually more or less clearly and distinctly guess the truth, partly perhaps understand it, one man [author's emphasis] must step forward in order to form, with apodeictic force, out of the wavering world of imagination of the great masses, granite principles, and to take up the fight for their sole correctness, until out of the playing waves of a free world of thought a brazen rock of uniform combination of form and will arises"" (page 577). Limbaugh: ""Who needs the media when they've got me? ... The show is devoted exclusively to what I think ... [the phrase ""with half my brain tied behind my back to make it even""] denotes the egress of mental aptitude I require to engage and demolish liberals and others who disagree with me ... It might take four or five years, but I'm convinced The Media will slowly and reluctantly come around to my way of thinking, kicking and screaming all the way."" (pages 266, 21, 299 and 273, respectively.) On Religion as the Basis of a Nation Hitler: ""In this world human culture and civilization are inseperably bound up with the existence of the Aryan. His dying-off or his decline would again lower upon this earth the dark veils of a time without culture ... He who dares to lay hand upon the highest image of the Lord sins against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and helps in the expulsion from Paradise."" (Page 581.) Limbaugh: ""America was founded as a Judeo-Christian country ... But our intellectual and political elites are often either hostile or ambivalent toward religion ... People for whom belief in God is at best a charming superstition have managed to ban prayer from the public schools for the last thirty years. Is it only a coincidence that the quality of American education has declined ever since?"" (pages 274-5.) On Popular Culture as a Reason for Social Collapse Hitler: ""The fight against the poisoning of the soul has to set in ... One has only to look at the menus of our movie houses, vaudevilles and theatres; and one can hardly deny that this is not the right kind of food ... Theatre, art, literature, movies, the press, billposters and window displays must be cleaned of the symptoms of a rotting world and put into the service of a moral idea of State and culture."" (pages 346 and 348.) Limbaugh: ""Today, Hollywood is in trouble. The reason [is] that Hollywood has forgotten who its audience is ... They make fun of people who believe in God. They ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality and monagamy. They disparage American heroes."" (page 254.) On the News Meida Hitler: ""The activity of the so-called liberal press was the work of gravediggers for the German people and the German Reich. One can pass by in silence the Marxist papers of lies ... it's task is only to break the people's folkish and national spine, in order to make it ripe for the yoke of slavery of international capital and its masters, the Jews."" (Page 331.) Limbaugh: ""Elements of The Media have jumped on the bandwagon of leftist causes. The cynical journalist of the past has been replaced in many cases by an enthusiastic cheerleader for causes ... During the Gulf war, CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw [said] CNN is a global network. We can't take sides. Cant take sides? --- --- ---! ... If they don't realize that their freedom lies in the United States of America and that therefore they should defend this nation, they are hopelessly misguided and, may I suggest, flirting with megalomania."" (pages 270 and 268.) * * * To continue these comparative excerpts is certainly possible, but ultimately too depressing to take in one reading. After putting these books down, there is one undeniable fact that haunts me. In the 1920s, Adolf Hitler fed depressed and frightened Germans the opiate of hatred of those around them; in turn, it allowed Germans to hand their collective national power to the Nazis. In the 1990s, Rush Limbaugh is doing the very same thing: distributing hatred to depressed and frightened Americans; in turn, it is helping the American radical right to maintain its power base as the 12-year nightmare of the Reagan-Bush era comes to an end, hoping to rebuild it into their hopes for The Fascist States of America. And if Limbaugh is not as repellant a Hitler, it is only because the radical right utilizes Limbaugh as its own gateway opiate. One can only wonder what the ultimate drug is they plan to hook America on. The Madison Edge can be reached at PO Box 845, Madison, WI 53701- 0845; (608) 255-4460. --- 30 --- " 390,14,"From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr06.090626.21880 Organization: Mentor Graphics Lines: 14 Originator: drickel@bounce Nntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: |> Oh, and the other advantage is that you don't have shit constants like |> 32.??? hanging around. No, instead you have stupid things like 3600 and 86400 and 31556925.9747 and 299792.458 and 9.80665 and ... How many cc's in a ml anyway? The metric system has its problems, just not as many of them. david rickel drickel@sjc.mentorg.com " 391,8,"From: stefan@prague (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs) Subject: Racelist: WHO WHAT WHERE Distribution: rec Organization: Gain Technology, Palo Alto, CA. Lines: 111 Nntp-Posting-Host: prague.gain.com Greetings fellow motorcycle roadracing enthusiasts! BACKGROUND ---------- The racing listserver (boogie.EBay.sun.com) contains discussions devoted to racing and racing-related topics. This is a pretty broad interest group. Individuals have a variety of backgrounds: motojournalism, roadracing from the perspective of pit crew and racers, engineering, motosports enthusiasts. The size of the list grows weekly. We are currently at a little over one hundred and eighty-five members, with contributors from New Zealand, Australia, Germany, France, England, Canada Finland, Switzerland, and the United States. The list was formed (October 1991) in response to a perceived need to both provide technical discussion of riding at the edge of performance (roadracing) and to improve on the very low signal-to-noise ratio found in rec.motorcycles. Anyone is free to join. Discussion is necessarily limited by the rules of the list to issues related to racing motorcycles and is to be ""flame-free"". 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Check the headers carefully, and if you find that the bounce originated at Sun (from whence I administer this list) contact me through my administration hat (race-request@boogie.EBay.sun.com). If not, ignore the bounce. OTHER LISTS ----------- Two-strokes: 2strokes@microunity.com Harleys: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca or uunet!watmath!thinkage!harley-request European bikes: majordomo@onion.rain.com (in body of message write: subscribe euro-moto) thanks, be seeing you, Rich (race list administrator) rich@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM -- Stefan Fielding-Isaacs 415.822.5654 office/fax dba Art & Science ""Books By Design"" 415.599.4876 voice/pager AMA/CCS #14 * currently providing consulting writing services to: Gain Technology, Verity * " 392,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 91 In article <1993Apr17.184435.19725@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: >Many people responded with more anecdotal stories; I think its safe to >say the original poster is already familiar with such stories. >Presumably, he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about >MSG making people ill. There has been NO hard info provided about MSG making people ill. That's the point, after all. >>Like youself? Someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently >>come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to >>do with the use of this substance in human nutrition? >Have you read Olney's work? I fail to see how citing results from >peer-reviewed studies qualifies as ""bizarrely cracked"". That's because these ""peer-reviewed"" studies are not addressing the effects of MSG in people, they're looking at animal models. You can't walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects demonstrated in humans. Note that I wouldn't have any argument with a statement like ""noting that animal administration has pro- duced the following [blah, blah], we must be careful about its use in humans."" This is precisely NOT what you said. >Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a >study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu >and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC. >Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies, >for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works >that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain >injection bunk. It most certainly is for neurotoxicology. You know, studies of glutamate involve more than ""food science"". >Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the >journals? Have you done a thorough literature search? So, point us to the studies in humans, please. I'm familiar with the literature, and I've never seen any which relate at all to Olney's work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons. >The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids. >Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine. Well, actually, they HAVE to tolerate some phenylalanine; it's a essential amino acid. They just try to get as little as is healthy without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites in the blood. >Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount >of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods, >vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged >soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin >for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed >foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose. Goodness, I'm not saying that it's good to feed infants a lot of glutamate-supplemented foods. It's just that this ""projected safety margin"" is a construct derived from animal models and given that, you can ""prove"" anything you like. We're talking prudent policy in infant nutrition here, yet you're misrepresenting it as received wisdom. >>>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >>>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. >> >>Impeccable. There most certainly is a dispute. > >Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you >provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles >disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever. You mean ""asserting"". You're being intellectually dishonest (or just plain confused), because you're conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other. Olney's reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants, but that's not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of MSG in most foods, nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects (for obvious reasons.) It says nothing about MSG's contribtion to the phenomenon of the ""Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"". It says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of MSG sensitivity in the lab. >>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com >Hmm. "".com"". Why am I not surprised? >- Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca Probably one of the dumber remarks you've made. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 393,7,"From: gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 115 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes: >daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes: > > >>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next >>> year with all new models. > > >>Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and >>acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not >>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class >>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 >>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. > > > As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of >all models. I bought one for my wife. > *nnnnnnnng* Thank you for playing, I cannot agree with this. I believed this and to put it nicely, it was a piece of junk! I loved this car, I babied it, I pampered it, and after 2 years, it just couldn't stay together, I would say that not everyone will have the problems that I had, but know this, it's not just the car, it is the ability to get the car fixed, which will NOT happen at any chrysler/dodge/take your pick dealer. I don't care if there are going to reform their dealers/service with the intro of the LH cars, I will believe it when I see it. Case and point, the local dodge dealer. You drive up, just looking, you don't even get out of your door, when about 10 (yes 10) salesman all eye you like their next meal, and literally pounce on you, and try to get you to make a deal, on everything your eye wanders towards. Service is about 2 times worse than that. I had an alignment problem, but they tried to tell me that the K frame was bent, and about 2000 dollars of work/parts to fix it. Let me tell you the problems I had, and I took care of this car, I put alot of miles on it in the first couple years, but took it to every checkup it needed, and many that shouldn't have been. 1988 Dodge Shadow ES These were replaced within the 4 years that I owned the car. Engine 4 Alternators Rear Suspension Torsion Bar 2 Water pumps 5 thermostats Hall effect sensor Main computer 4 Batteries These were rebuilt/repaired Radiator Automatic Transmission Power Steering Those are just the things I can remember off the top of my head. For about a year before I sold the car, I said to myself, it's a good car, I just can't find anybody competent enough the fix it. In the end, before I traded it in for a Saturn, the power steering started acting up again. I just stopped putting money into it. I must have put at least $5000-$7000 worth of repairs over it's lifetime. I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite me. Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things are going to fall apart, and no one will buy them without assurance, why the hell do you think that LH has been nicknamed Last Hope. You can do better, and I know people will disagree with me here, but Japanese, like Honda, or Toyota, or the only american car company that I feel is a quality product, Saturn. I will not touch another chrysler product again, no way. I don't care how good the LH cars look good, and I will admit they look promising, but not with the support that you get. GM isn't much better, thank god, they don't control Saturn, like they do their divisions, or it would be just another marketing ploy. Don't get me wrong, i will be watching my car (which I do like) like a hawk for the next 4 years. I am much more hesitant to say it (or any) car is really good, until it has proved itself to me. But since someone else pointed out C&D as a source. I will note, because I used to read these magazines, that Car and Driver has never had a good thing to say about most Chrysler products (Shadow for one), always were they moaning about the reguritated K-car, and engine. Whereas Motor Trend always thought they were great cars. No car magazine is really objective. And although there are alot of people who don't like Consumers Reports, I will use them to reinforce my argument (I already know about the big stink with the Saturn crash tests, time will tell how good a car they are), the shadow/sundance rate much worse than average, in fact none of the chrysler's rate a better than average, I think the best one is just average. Excluding the diamond star/mitsubishi stuff and the LH's. You can find bad stuff about the Shadow. Try as I might, when I researched the Saturn, I could not find anything bad about it. There is a great deal of information about this company, just because it is a new american company and it has created quite a stir in the automotive community, for good reason. Much more than the introduction of any new model lines of any established company. I read an article, which had a sub-column, an I think this imprinted on me more than anything else. Some big wig in Toyota said and I quote, ""We are watching them very closely."" Come on, everybody grow up, the foreign cars, especially the japanese have been kicking our butts, for good reason, the american car companies could not make a good product or support the customer the way they want these days, to set in their ways, which is one of the reasons Saturn was created. They are still struggling because they haven't learned yet. They have the ability, the workers are not inferior, the technology is not out of date, but their attitude is, and they are just finding this out. It's called competition gentleman/women if you don't satisfy the demand of the consumer, well your out.. *asbestos suit on* Gaia " 394,8,"From: mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) Subject: Re: Flashing anyone? Keywords: flashing Organization: Xerox In <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: >Hello all, >On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals >flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of >tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I >switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will >be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. >Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making >transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the >average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll. >I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and >usually go to another booth. >My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? >Any others tend to do the same? >Just curious >o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> > Rob Castro | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today > 1983 KZ550LTD | phone - (212) 854-7617 | For today you live! > DoD# NYC-1 | New York, New York, USA | RC (tm) Beleive it or not: NY state once considered eliminating tolls for motor- cycles based simply on the fact that motos clog up toll booths. But then Mario realized the foolishness of trading a few hundred K $`s a year for some relief in traffic congestion. Too bad he won`t take that Sumpreme Court Justice job - I thought we might be rid of him forever. -- --Matt Dennie Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA) ""Reaching consensus in a group often is confused with finding the right answer."" -- Norman Maier " 395,1,"From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 12 I've been trying to figure out a way to get Adobe Illustrator to auto-trace >exactly< what I see on my screen. But it misses the edges of templates by as many as 6 pixels or more - resulting in images that are useless - I need exact tracing, not approximate. I've tried adjusting the freehand tolerances as well as autotrace tolerances but it doesn't help. Any suggestions? -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. " 396,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 86 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article <1993Apr5.120921.28985@dxcern.cern.ch>, jeroen@dxcern.cern.ch (Jeroen Belleman) writes: |> In article dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: |> > Is it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital |> >scopes. My school has ... |> > |> > David Jacobowitz |> > dgj2y@virginia.edu |> |> Oh no you're not the only one. Analogue scopes give you (or me, at |> least) a fair idea of what's going on in a circuit. Digital scopes |> seem to have a habit of inventing a sizable part of it. E.g. even |> when there are only a few samples per period, our HP54510A displays a |> continuous waveform, complete with non-existing overshoots. I've |> waded through lots of manual pages and menus, but I haven't found yet |> how to turn this off. It doesn't show which points have actually |> been measured, as opposed to those which have been interpolated, |> either. Perhaps you're using the wrong brand! (Sorry all HP fans, but I have a hard time being convinced that their scopes match the rest of their (excellent) gear). One of the principal functions I look for when considering a DSO is whether you can turn interpolation off. The other important feature is to disable repetitive waveform acquisition i.e. being able to lock the instrument into real time capture mode. |> |> Secondly, I don't like menus. I want to see all common functions |> with their own button. (You'll have guessed I love analogue Tek |> scopes) I'd choose a knob with printed legend over an on-screen |> display with up-down buttons right away. The single knob of most |> digital instruments never seems to be connected to the right function |> at the right moment. |> I agree with you here. The only consolation is that manufacturers are _beginning_ to pay attention to ergonomics when designing the menus. However, to be fair, it seems that first time scope users (our students) seem to adjust to menus easier than navigating around the twenty or more knobs required of a ""real"" scope :-) |> Last but not least, you never know if the waveform displayed is old |> or recent, noisy or just incoherently modulated, heck, you don't |> even know if it really looks the way it's displayed. Digital scopes |> only show you a tiny fraction of what's going on. Most of the time |> the're busy computing things. This is one area that newer DSOs are addressing. I recently evaluated the latest box from Tek - their TDS320 - which seems to be a worthy alternative to a standard 100MHz analogue CRO. This instrument has a 100MHz, 500Ms/s spec, meaning that it is _always_ in real time capture mode. The pricing also matches equivalent analogue scopes in the range. The downer is that the instrument uses menus again, but at least they appear to be logically laid out. |> |> There are only three situations for which I would prefer a digital |> scope: Looking at what happened before the trigger, looking at rare |> events, and acquiring the data to have my computer play with it. |> |> |> Let's hope scope manufacturers are listening... |> |> Best regards, |> Jeroen Belleman |> jeroen@dxcern.cern.ch One more thing about the new, ""simpler"", front panels. These instruments tend to use digital rotary encoders as knobs now. This is a vast improvement over the old oak switch. The single most common cause of failure in our scopes (other than students blowing up inputs!) is mechanical wear on these switches. I look at the new panels as a great step toward increasing the longevity of the instruments. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 397,17,"From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) Subject: Re: WTC bombing Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 13 tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: : : ""But Hadas might be a fictitious character invented by the two men for : billing purposes, said Mohammed Mehdi, head of the Arab-American Relations Committee."" : : Tim I would remind readers of the fact that the NY Daily News on March 5th reported the arrest of Joise Hadas. Foreign newspapers reported her release shortly afterwards. I can provide copies of the articles upon request. Alaa Zeineldine " 398,12,"From: garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone lin Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: garyg@warren.mentorg.com NNTP-Posting-Host: garyg.warren.mentorg.com In article 1qub4mINN7r3@rave.larc.nasa.gov, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: >In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: >> >>Greetings! >> >> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't >> know the number of the line. And I don't want >> to call up the operator to place a trace on it. >> >> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can >> use to find out the number to the line? > > >Call a friend long distance, collect. Ask to speak with yourself. When >the operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave >your number. She'll read it out in the clear. >--scott Even easier, my area supports 311. Dial this and a recording recites your number. Phone techs use it to verify an installed line. --- Gary Gendel Vice President: Current consulting assignment: Genashor Corp Mentor Graphics Corporation 9 Piney Woods Drive 15 Independence Boulevard Belle Mead, NJ 08502 Warren, NJ 07059 phone: (908) 281-0164 phone: (908) 604-0883 fax: (908) 281-9607 email: garyg@warren.mentorg.com " 399,11,"From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: habu Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc. Lines: 19 It might be nice to: 1. cut out the ad hominem attacks on Prof. Denning, Mr. Sternlight, etc. If you have something objective to say about their views, go ahead and say it (subject to point 2.). Personal attacks reflect more on the attacker more than on the attackee. Throw light, not heat! 2. restrict the discussion to appropriate newsgroups. I submit that comp.org.acm and comp.org.ieee are not appropriate for this discussion. You have now made subscribers to these newsgroups aware of the issue. If they want to know more or participate in the discussion, they can easily join sci.crypt, comp.security.misc, alt.security, or comp.org.eff.talk. -- ...Russ Schnapp Email: netcom!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@Metaflow.com or rschnapp@BIX.com Metaflow Technologies Voice: 619/452-6608x230; FAX: 619/452-0401 La Jolla, California Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself! " 400,8,"From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby) Subject: Re: BMW battery Organization: AT&T Lines: 27 : In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: : >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive, : >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns : >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. : What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know : numerous people that are still using the original battery in there : 8-10 year old beemers. THe original battery in an 8-10 year old BMW may be fine. Mine lasted many years. The replacement 30AH battery from BMW was a disaster. The mechanic from Comp. Acc. told me that CA would warantee replace the bad one with a new one of the same evil bad batteries and tell the customer if they have problems to bring it back and they'd do it again. It seems that many of those 30AH batteries were DOA, near-DOA, and always unlikely to be going strong by the end of the warantee period on them. THere was a big batch of bad ones, and they replaced them with -you guessed it - more bad ones. BMW switched to a 25AH battery that has more cold cranking amps, even if it has less total juice. I switched to a YUASA that has even more cold cranking amps and cost one third fewer dollars. Neil Kirby DoD #0783 nak@archie.cbusa.att.com AT&T Bell Labs Columbus OH USA (614) 860-5304 If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense. " 401,9,"From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) Subject: Re: WFAN Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 92 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I hope that this comes off as a somewhat unbiased assesment of WFAN and WIP(I go to school in Philadelphia, and I listen to both stations on a consistant basis.) Now that the fan has Mike Lupica on from 10 to noon, they have a person who can get the big name guests for interviews, and not just of local importance He did have Dave Cheketts and Fred Wilpon on his show, but he had Bob Costas and Magic Johnson on too. Now here are my opinions of the two stations competing talent: Morning show: In my opinion, I think Imus is much better than Bruno, Cataldi, and Morganti, even though I would feel different if Morganti had a better crew of people to work with. To me, WIP tries to copy Imus but make it all sports as a theme. In terms of sports, Imus lacks the blanketing of the airwaves, but he interjects humor and politics into his show. 10 AM to 12 Noon: I think Chuck Cooperstein and Lupica are equal in their abilities to host a radio show, but I think Chuck has the advantage over Lupica in terms of dealing with the caller who is asking about who the local team is going to draft in the sixth round. Lupica and the other hosts on FAN get better interview guests, but I heard the PD of WIP say that they were not interested in interviews with celebrities unless it was a major story. I would consider this even because they are two different styles of host. 12 Noon to 2 PM: At this point, I would have to give a big advantage to Jody McDonald over Len Berman because Lenny has only been on for a couple of weeks. I just think JM has the ability to transcend the ""homer"" mentality of the Philadelphia fan base. This is most evident when the IGGLES(Philadelphia spelling) play the Cowboys because JM is a huge Dallas fan. Where else can you have people call up and predict a 93-0 score without the egging of the hosts(re:WIP morning 'guys') I do agree that JM was great on the FAN weekend overnight and I miss hearing him over the current crop of rotating hosts. I feel that JM is the best sportstalk host on either station by a good margin. If you are in NY and you can't get WIP, JM does fill in on the weekends sometimes. 2PM to 4PM: This is the time when JM goes up against Francesa and Russo(fatso and froot loops) and I become the most divided in my loyalties. Mike and the dog are very entertaining, but they often go an hour or so without calls or even 10 to 20 minutes without talking about sports. MATD do get great guests and that is the basis for their show, so it is like the 10 to 12 debate. Another plus is the appearances by Mike and Chris on Imus in the Morning, which are often hilarious. 4 PM to 7 PM: MATD go up against Fredericks and Missanelli. I like Mike Missanelli but I just can't stomach Steve Fredericks. I know that SF came from Philly originally, but when he was at the FAN, he was a NY homer as much as he is a Philly homer now. I don't listen to WIP much after 4 PM unless there is a game on that night, but you will see later for the reason. That is why I give the advantage to FAN. 7 PM to Midnight: S&M are on WIP until 8 and then it is the man who makes Eli that calls MATD all the time seem like a novice on charges of racism, G Cobb. This man is so grating on my nerves that if I listen to him for a few minutes I go nuts.(I know that is biased, but listen to his show) On FAN, there is usually a game on, Knicks, Rangers, Mets Jets, or St. John's basketball. If the game is on the west coast, then it is usually Howie Rose. Of course I think dead air would be better than G Cobb on WIP, but WIP does air Sixers and Flyers games during the season. (If this is the sports station, why did they lose the IGGLES to WYSP(home of Howard Stern in Phil.)) During the summer, it is all talk on WIP. Overall, I would have to give the advantage to WFAN, with the exception of 10 to 12, and 2 to 4 where it is even, and 12 to 2 where WIP has the advantage. Rich -- ""You've read the hat, now see the movie."" -Imus in the morning ""A blurb? You're a blurb!"" -Seinfeld " 402,12,"From: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. C.D. Smith) Subject: Re: Why is telephone audio 300-3000 Hz? Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 47 Nntp-Posting-Host: goyt.csc.liv.ac.uk >> telephone systems have the capability of a passband of 30hz to 4Khz. >> The reason they do not implement this is: It is not backward compatable >> to every telephone system. In addition, the most effecent mix of >> electrical effecency, and intelegability closly mateches a 300hz-3khz >> passband. > >Close, but no banana (to paraphrase Garfield)... >The reason 300-3300 Hz is used is that voice channels used to occupy >4kHz bands when multiplexed on a trunk line. Therefore, 300Hz at the >bottom, and 700Hz at the top of this band were filtered to minimise >interference with the next band. > >Nowadays, digital trunks have made this less relevant, but the phone >companies still see no reason to improve quality (especially for free!). >Therefore, digital ""chunk of a trunk"" segments still have a guaranteed >bandwidth of only 4kHz (so they can carry the equivalent of one analog >line) at the clock rate of a standard PCM T1 or E1 digital trunk. > >It's all historical... Here in the UK, the bandwidth restriction apparently only apply to local lines.. ie those used by the average domestic client. Private lines which are run from the local exchange to the leasing client are usually capable of a higher bandwidth if the exchange is digital. Don't quote me on that..... But I think I remember a BT engineer saying something to that effect when I was doing some work shadowing a few years ago. Byeeeee ! Chris ;-) +====================================================================+ |Name : Mr Chris Smith | Twang on that 'ole guitar ! | |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv.csc | | |Uni : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware | |Dgree: Computer Science | | +====================================================================+ ""What ever the sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"" -- D.H. Lawrence. * All views expressed are my own, and reflect that of private thought. * " 403,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 134 harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes: >FCUS/HEALTH: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) > > An office visit that's $52 in Seattle is $18 in Vancouver > (Canada). That's because, among other things, they've given their > government power to bargain with doctors and hospitals over fees. The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees. Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance in Canada (along with France and Germany) without HMO's --- the NYT has admitted that malpractice insurance fees are an order of magnitude lower in Canada but doctors take-home pay is almost equal to American doctors; also, minimal bureaucracy 'cos the system is so-o-o simple (early March). Part of the deal for using the all-insurance approach like the French and Germans do (hey, why don't they criticize France and Germany? Is it because too many people take French and German in college to make the accusations stick? (-;) was to preserve the doctors independance. Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service. >""`You've got to remember, you've got a waiting list as well, but it's >not as obvious. If you're poor and you don't have insurance, you don't > go to a surgeon. In the States you ration by ability to pay.'"" For non-life threatening things, market arguments adequately cover why certain procedures are in scarcer demand. I have MD friends who can't make a living as specialists back in Manitoba not due to the insurance rates but because they won't get enough customers -- the CMA medical monopoly's grip on doctors licencing (as in the US) aside -- so they must move to larger places. However, this does not refute debunking of waiting lines for urgent AND routine care, as has been done in the U.S. by Consumers Reports, health policy studies cited by Prof. Dennis E. Shea on USENET, CNN, NYT, etc. Doug Fierro has posted a NYT article from 3 weeks ago about Canada's health insurance approach, on Talk.politics.medicine. There is one small error in the article: not all of our hospitals are private. >WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW >FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? > >In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental >care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private >hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private >insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 >a month. Of course, the one thing to note is that in the Canada/France/Germany case, private insurance *offloaded* the basic coverage to the public sector. They realized they were keeping low-risk/high-profit extra insurance for things like private/semi-private rooms (vs. ward accomodation), dental, glasses, etc. for corporate or personal benefits, they'll have nothing to do with you if you want to be covered for basic care. At that point, they wouldn't even consider a ""voucher"" approach to broker the universal coverage and sell policies to make up the difference in the federal guidelines and market stuff. >****************************************************************** > >WOULDN'T FREE CARE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN TO THE DOCTOR FOR EVERY >ACHE AND PAIN? > >People who get free treatment *do* go to the doctor and hospital about >a third more often than those who have to pay a share of their medical >bills. > >Still, Canadians -- who pay nothing at the doctor's -- have a lower >per-person health bill than we do. It is ""free"" in that there are no deductibles nor copayments (two things which I advocate to make the Canadian insurance look more like real health insurance -- which actually it is). I know that when working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed on my pay stub; Manitoba did not collect at paycheque time, but only annually at income tax time (built into the tax rate). Only fiscal naifs will proclaim that it's free, along with the Canadian Left for that is part of their brainwashing agenda. The French do have copayments, though. France Magazine's Summer 1992 edition has a fantastic presentation of their basic insurance coverage, including a sample chart of copayment percentages. For 1-30 days, you're covered for 80% of the public hospital rate, 100% afterward. With extra private insurance, you can get into a private hospital and be covered for any differences beyond the public hospital rate. The public insurance covers 100% beyond 30 days, or the same cash amount for a private hospital and the difference is paid out-of-pocket or according to your supplementary private insurance. Over 2/3rds of French have some form of extra private insurance. So, the other 30% of health costs in Europe are out of private funds, not gleaned from other taxes. The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total outlay using the same methods that yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. >ISN'T THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY JUST TOO BIG >AND POWERFUL TO KILL? > >Dismantling the health segment of our insurance industry would be >""politically thorny,"" in the quiet words of one advocate for a >national plan. Some 1,200 firms now sell more than $192 billion in >health insurance. They'd put up a hard fight. Not only has the industry >grown eightfold since Canada shut down its own health insurers, but >our government leaves politicians more open to lobbyists than does >Canada's parliamentary system. Health insurance does exist in Canada and in Western Europe, its just that it doesn't cover basic care. You can opt out in Canada and Germany, but you'll have to go uninsured as a result because there are too few other people that do so --- i.e., no market. When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's public health insurance plan. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 404,17,"From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 21 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > not appreciated. ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go back to the minors, junior. " 405,6,"From: blaakso@ua.d.umn.edu (Brian Laakso) Subject: PC Transporter FOR SALE Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth Lines: 18 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu Hello All, I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5 drive. So what you get is : PC Transporter (no problems runs great) Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions All needed harware with color adapter for monitor 8087 co processor installed on board All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC) one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS) Brian Laakso Send me your reasonable offers.... email blaakso@ub.d.umn.edu " 406,15,"From: (Phil Bowermaster) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 36 In article , dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) wrote: > > In article , > vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote: > > > > > ""We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant > > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His > > truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance > > of those absolutes."" > > > Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference > between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e. > regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an > absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance? If you would bother to check in any good dictioanry or thesaurus, I think you will find that ""arrogance"" has to do with an offensive exhibition of presumed or real superiority (a paraphrase from my own Webster's). Arrognace is about pride and haughtiness. A person can believe in absolute truth, even blindly (whatever that means) without being obnoxious about it. Just as a person can be a ""humble,"" authority-questioning, defying-any-theist-to-reply athiest and be quite arrogant. Arrogance is not about what you believe, it is about how you relate to what you believe and how you present it to others. If your overwhelming experience of Christians has been that they are arrogant, I apologozing both for myself and on the behalf of those who have offfended you. But my own experience, at least in forums like Usenet where you see a good mix of people, is that arrogant Christians and athiests seems to occur in about equal numbers. - Phil - Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me. " 407,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 43 In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >It's a bit hard to ""prove"" a point like this, but I can compare the I was hoping for something like ""The chassis exhibits X degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units. Forces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour."" Not ""Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh, well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast. It's not a Porsche, you know"". >come with better seatbelts, more supportive seats, a stronger >passenger compartment cage, better brakes, a stiffer suspension, >different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero >effects to keep the car on the ground. What *do* they come with? Well, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes with more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension, different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's what all that boy-racer plastic is for). You're kidding yourself if you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to withstand 130 MPH impacts. >Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed Oh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast. They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit. >certainly haven't convinced me. Of course not. ""Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother."" You had your mind made up already. It's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO* speed limits until 1975. wr " 408,18,"From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics Lines: 57 In article <1qp5juINNgu5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.135948.3024@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) said: > >> A good case? A F**KING GOOD CASE? The defense lawyer asked the victim >> questions like ""what kind of sexual perversions do you participate >> in?"" and you think he made a good case????? > > Speaking as someone who's only about six weeks and a $6,900 tuition bill > away from becoming an unemployed slob with a law degree, I'd really like > to see a transcript of this trial. I'd especially like to know what > happened immediately after the defense attorney asked that question > (assuming that the reports that he did so are accurate... I'm not > accusing Tom Farrell of making anything up, but this _is_ the sort of > case that spawns garbled misquotes, false rumors and urban legends like > tribbles). It'd be nice to think that the prosecutor objected > (irrelevant, prejudicial, inflammatory... take your pick) and that the > judge upheld the objection. > I did hear this question asked during a radio news update of the case. (They were talking about the ongoing trial and had some audio clips). Immediately after the defense attorney asked the question, there was an ""Objection!"" heard in the background. The clip ended at that point so I don't know if the objection was upheld. I can't imagine NC is *that* bad. >> The arresting officer said the bastards told him they did it on >> purpose and hoped the victim would die, and you think the defense made >> a good case????? No wonder we're losing! We're aparently not trying >> to win! > > Again, I'd like to see the transcript... I'd read the latter bit of that > in the news media (the arresting officer testifying that one of the > defendants calmly asked him about the condition of the ""homo"" and said > that he hoped he'd die) but this is the first I've heard of the officer > testifying that one of the defendants actually said that he did anything > at all, let alone that he did it on purpose. > This I didn't hear as an audio clip but heard it reported a number of times on news stories both during and after the trial. Now the ""we did it on purpose"" thing is stretching, I think it was something more like--he had it coming. If somebody else remebers better than I on this second point, feel free to clarify. Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank R. Chloupek CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University (Not just any Ohio State University) ""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: somebody else's place."" --P.J. O'Rourke " 409,6,"From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna) Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton;400 ton Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su Distribution: eunet Organization: Firm ERIDAN Lines: 1 Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su " 410,8,"Subject: Re: Protective gear From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 14 In article <734055654snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes: > In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes: >>In article maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >>>What protective gear is the most important? >> >>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if >>you have no skin on your hands. > > Yup! Ruins your sex life! YOUR sex life, maybe.... -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca " 411,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 29 wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes: > My problem with Science is that often it allows us to >assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us >with the ability to produce life through sexual relations, >for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone. >Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision >through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power >to decide who should and should not be able to have >children? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that >is made possible. In a word, yes. I don't believe that physical knowledge has a great deal of impact on the power of God. In the past, God gave us the ability to create life through sexual relations. Now, he is giving us the ability to create life through in vitro fertilization. The difference between the two is merely cosmetic, and even if we gain the ability to create universes we won't begin to approach the glory of God. The power we are being given is a test, and I am sure that in many cases we will use our new abilities unwisely. But, people have been using sexuality unwisely for millenia and I haven't heard an outcry to abolish it yet! No matter how far we extend our dominion over the physical world, we aren't impinging on God's power. It's only when we attempt to gain control of the spiritual world, those things that can't be approached through science and logic, that we begin to interfere with God. Alan Terlep ""...and the scorpion says, 'it's Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"" atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu " 412,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 22 It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the escrow houses. Do the police normally reveal every tap they do even if no charges are laid? In many ways, it would be a positive step if they had to. Judges set time limits on warrants, I assume. At the end of the time limit they should have to renew or replace your chip. That's if we go with this scheme, which I am not sure I agree with. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 413,15,"From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Kramer) Subject: Re: Daily Verse Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 14 In article Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) writes: >How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather >than silver! > >Proverbs 16:16 Ah and how...??? Amen to that one!!!!!! Thanks Chuck for sharing... after all, no one can serve two masters...God and money...... after all, the preciousness of God as Lord and Savior is far more valuable than being a millionaire will ever be... In Him, Scott " 414,12,"From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 27 >>water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many >>fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive >>contamination. > Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual >boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry >that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's >more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system >as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. as a point of info, some of the early nuclear power plants in this country used the fission pile as a first stage to get the water hot, and then had a second stage -fossil fuel- step to get the water (actually steam) VERY HOT. I remember seeing this at Con Edison's Indian Point #1 power plant, which is about 30 miles north of NYC, and built more or less 1958. dannyb@panix.com (all the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be) " 415,18,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Propaganda Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 213 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: > >In article , VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > >|>In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: >|>> >|> Or are they simply propogranda? We can't know what Phill *really* >|>means because he's obviously using arguments designed to convince. > >I make no secret of what I am up to, I have stated explicitly in posts >that I am a political propagandist on numerous occasions. Anyone posting >to this group who is not probably has the wrong group. > >For example I have on numerous occasions stated quite clearly that I >beleive that certain factions of the gun lobby are the worst possible >advocates of their cause and I am prepared to do anything in my power >to provide them with a platform because they can convince people far >better than I could hope that many people with a fixation on lethal >weapons are dangerous and derranged. If you happen to know a political position which does not have people advocating it who do more harm than good, please point it out. >Some people have even accused me of inventing such advocates purely >for the purpose of having them trash a set of political views. In >fact this would be a futile tactic because I could never hope to >invent a character as dangerous as sybok.athena.edu, a man who I >quite seriously believe to be mentaly ill and a potential psychopath. >Unfortunately the local sherifs office have informed me that they >are unable to act untill he attacks someone. One of the advantages and draw-backs of requiring proof on the part of the government before they may take action against citizens. (and part of the reason some of us believe weapons should be available.) >So if you were to ask me what is the point that I am trying to make >from this current argument on the absolute sanctity of the US >constitution what would I answer? We are not arguing the absolute sanctity of the U.S. Constitution. In fact, the fillibuster we're talking about isn't *in* the Constitution. I objected to your suggestion that the Senate wasn't intended to exercise the power it was clearly given. >Firstly I see that the current US political scene like the UK political >scene has become tied to special interests. Rather than chase the >convenient caricatures put about by the media and polititians themselves >for this - Gay rights cmapaigners, environmentalists, zionists (i.e. >Jews), ""foreign lobbyists"" - whatever voting power they have etc. I >sugest that you look at who is really benefiting. The inevitable conclusion >is that it is the major corporations owned by the ultra-wealthy that >have benefited. Regan and Bush created what can only be described as a >welfare state for the rich. I'll point out again that Reagan only had a Republican Majority in the Senate during his first term, and his coalition in the House came apart at about the same time. Bush never had any real support in Congress. The real point is that everybody, *everywhere* got their pork, from the big corporations to the guy I saw last night leaving a convenience store with an armful of junk-food he'd bought with food stamps. (He spent more in food stamps on junk than I *make* in a week and I'm not on government assitance.) >Money was diverted from programs addressing >social needs and poured into the weapons industry in the form of cost >plus profits contracts. Lessee, let's pull out the old Almanac. In 1980, total U.S. government budget outlays were 590.9 billion dollars. In 1992 (est) they were 1.4754 trillion dollars, an increase of approx. 884 billion dollars. In 1980, National Defense cost 133.9 billion dollars. In 192 it was 307 billion dollars, and increase of 174 billion dollars. That leaves an increase of 710 billion dollars unaccounted for. (This represented an increase of 230%) In 1980, Income Security (which includes retirement programs, Housing Assitance, and unemployment benefits, and I believe welfare) cost 86.5 billion dollars. In 1992 it was 198 billion dollars, or more than national defense started. (This represented an increase of 230%) In 1980, the Federal Government spent 32 billion dollars on Medicare. In 1992 they spent 118 billion dollars. (an increase of 368%) In 1980, the Feds spent 9 billion dollars on housing credits and subsidies of that like. In 1992 it was 87 billion. In 1980, Health care services and research was 23 billion dollars. In 1992, it was 94 billion dollars. Agriculture, up 9 billion to 17 billion. Science, up 11 billion to 16 billion. Resource conservation up 7 billion to 20 billion. Education up 14 billion to 45 billion. Veteran benefits up 12 billion to 33 billion. Trasnportation up 13 billion to 34 billion. About the only things I see which was seriously decreased was under the Energy category, primarily under ""Supply,"" and ""Community Development,"" in the area of ""disaster relief,"" and between the two of them represent a loss of less than 11 billion dollars. Where *was* this huge diversion? >In order to rectify this situation there must >be constitutional revision. Not that's a stretch. If the current government was pushed by the President to create this mess, wouldn't one expect it to begin to equalize once the pressure is gone? >Secondly the form of this revision must take account of the changed >circumsatnces of the role of the Federal government. Only assuming that the new role is a positive role we want to continue. I see very little positive about it. >The constitution >cannot be used to frustrate the democratic process. The Constitution was *designed* to frustrate the democratic process, so that the voters could be absolutely sure they were getting what they wanted by the time it happened. Nor do I see putting the brakes on the ""democratic process"" an inherently bad thing. Califronia's riding the edge and every time they pull their ballot initiative nonsense it gets worse. >If the peoplr want >to have welfare spending by the federal government they will have >it. Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the people should be told, ""no,"" and pointed to their local government. >Attempting to prevent this through constitutional trickery only >leads to the constitution being brought into disrepute. Phill, would you do me the very great favor of repeating that in talk.politics.guns? >Methods will >always be found to bypass such provisions and once the government gets >used to bypassing those provisions they will bypass the others up to >the first ammendment. Cute. We can eliminate violations of the law by eliminating the law. >This is a major reason why the right to own >guns should be excluded, the implication that this right is equal to >the right to free speech is dangerous. Free speech alone is dangerous, Phill. >People know that mass ownership >of lethal weapons causes thousands of murders a year, the dangerous >conclusion they may reach is that the first ammendment may also be >the same dangerous mistake. OK, Phill. All you gotta show me is a clear pattern of *reduction* in homicide rates across several countries and that'll be it. (Not current, mind, you, reduction.) >Note however that this is not the slippery >slope argument. It is because the right freedom of speech has been >chained to the privilege to own weaponry that the danger arises. The >advocates of this pivilege must not be allowed to chain freedom of >speech to their cause such that if they fall freedom of speech falls >as well. Such actions are not the actions of people genuinely interested >in freedom. Who's chaining anything to freedom of speech? By *calling* it a freedom? >Thirdly and most importantly I want to discover a mechanism wherby I can >engender intellectual debate as opposed to totemic debate. I consider >the grave threat to civilisation to be the loss of the ability to >reason about the political debate at anything other than the superficial >level. The objection I raise to your basing your case entirely on the >assertion of the supremacy of the US constitution is that the currency >of your argument is limited to the currency of the totem upon which it >is based. The danger of totems is that they can be reinterpreted in >different ways by different people. Phill, you're a master of subtly changing the subject. I haven't *based* my argument against raw democracy on the Constitution. I've tried to explain why it isn't a good idea. The only time I've referred to the Constitution is to point out it doesn't contain the restrictions on the veto and the Senate you appear to believe were ""meant,"" but just didn't make it in there. The Constitution doesn't *contain* the 41% fillibuster rule. I only believe that the rule is a good idea. You cn't dismiss that as venerating the Constitution because it isn't *in* the Constitution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 416,12,"From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) Subject: Answers to many electronics Questions Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University Lines: 10 I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not ""tuned-in"" to electronics. Many of them have rather simple answers, and many of them require a circuit diagram. Rather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self- addressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can. W. L. Willis, P. E. 114 Fern Circle Clemson, SC 29631 " 417,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: H E L P M E ---> desperate with some VD Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu Summary: Here's help. -*---- In article <1993Apr17.115716.19963@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> mjliu@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Ming-zhou Liu) writes: > I have bad luck and got a VD called , which involves > the growth of granules in the groin. I found out about it by checking > medicine books and I found the prescriptions. ... Ming-zhou Liu's main problem is that he has an incompetent physician -- himself. This physician has diagnosed a problem, even though he probably has never seen the diagnosed disease before and has no idea of what kinds of problems can present similar symptoms. This physician now wants to treat his first case of this disease without any help from the medical community. The best thing Ming-zhou Liu could do is fire his current physician and seek out a better one. Russell " 418,1,"From: apd2c@Virginia.EDU (""Andrew Paul Dickens"") Subject: Re: computer graphics to vcr? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 16 Getting an image from a computer monitor to a videotape is harder than it looks. The standard VGA and EGA outputs are very different than the NTSC format used by televisions. While there is equipment that will do the conversion, it is hard to get your hands on and costs quite a bit. If you have access to an Amiga computer, that has an NTSC output, you can transfer certain types of graphic files by modem and tape them from the NTSC output. Unfortunately, this would be frame-by-frame and would lead to unbelievably scratchy animation unless you had a good Amiga animation program. Otherwise, see if your local public access cable station has equipment that you can use. " 419,17,"Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Lines: 129 Message-ID: <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Mr.Napoleon responds: ******************************************************* ********************* TO MR. NAPOLEON****************** ******************************************************* > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to > believe for somebody trying to be objective. > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? > Do you think it was your right to be there? ** There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor **until 1923 Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? Is that so? or you were taking advantage of weakness of ottoman empire to grab some land. As soon as you got green lights from allied forces, you occupied Izmir and other cities in western Turkey. You killed and raped millions people without any reason. Of course, you paid the price. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk made you swim in aegean sea but not far enough. Your aggressions thru Turkey at anytime in the past did not get you any reward and shall not get you anywhere. > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > **Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in **Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial **waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of **Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. What compromise are you talking about on Cyprus. That is not Greece business to join the island to Greece. That is up to people in the island to live or not to live together. They made their decision and they are living separetely now.There is a peace there. Greeks can't slaughter Turks anymore because turkish peacemaking force is there. Your dream will never come true. 12 mile territorialwater!!!! Are you joking or dreaming? We can declare our 12 miles territorial water which can come close to Athens. How would you like it? If you have any guts why don't you shoot at some Turkish ships in your dream 12 mile territorial waters? We do not have any city called Konstantinople. We have a city called ISTANBUL!!!! All the greeks in Istanbul are being treated just any other Turks. There is no difference among people in Turkey. You look at your own backyard first before talking about human rights in Turkey. What are the rights of Turks in Greece? Nothing. They do not even have basic human rights like right to have property, fredom of religion, fredom of press, fredom of vote elect their community leaders. Government of Greece publicly encourages people to destroy and burn schools, religious places, houses, and farms belong to turkish minority. Then, Greek government forces these minorities to go to Turkey without anything with them. You will dream to see Aegean sea as Greek lake but it will never happen. Think about the war between Turkey and Greece in 1915. The river called SAKARYA flood 21 days filled with blood in 1915. > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals > why the hatred? **Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment **directly or indirecly is a ""bad"" person. **It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support **of the actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". **People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you **are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and **as a such you must pay the price. You mean that any person who supports the actions and policies of the government of Greece is a good person. That is your Greek idea to say Turks are bad people. We know who we are and proud to be TURKS anywhere in the world. That is not Greeks business to tell us what kind of people we are. You are not at position to judge people because you are not civilized enough to give equal rights to your own minorities. Millions of minorities are being treated as third class citizen, their rights are taken away from them, and they have no voices under the Government of Greece. They are almost being treated as slaves even though we are getting into 21th century. Therefore, do not make me laught at you. > So that makes me think that there is some kind of > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish > encounters during your schooling. > take it easy! **You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks.Just **as Greeks, Arats, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had **the luck to be under Turkish occupation. **They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. **You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about **them from people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. The Government of Greece is actively supporting terrorism against Turkey.Armenian and Kurdish terrorists have headquarters in Athens. They are being trained in special camps in Greece. They are taught how to kill innocent women and children.This not a claim, this is a fact known by whole world. In conlusion, you are in action to murder, rape, destroy the innocent people. I do not take you seriously because you are not at any positions to talk about human rights and dignity. Your own government, the Government of Greece actively supports atrocities in Bosnia. Serbs's Barbarism pleases your government. Please Napoleon think twice before you write anything about Turks and Turkey. You are the worst in human right conditions and treatment of the minorities. Who wants to be a fried with someone whose government does not respect the human rights, supports terrorism in Turkey,barbaric actions in Bosnia, treats Turkish minorities as third class citizen and take away all of their rights, treating them as slaves at the beginning of 21th century??????? Aykut Atalay Atakan Napoleon " 420,12,"From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Distribution: sci.electronics Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 14 In article , dws30@p1ps110cd.amdahl.com (David Sharpe) writes: > There are a few more details to radar and some > rumors that are not true. A common one is that two beams are sent one > reading the car speed and one the ground speed. If this were true then > calabration would be murder. Hope this helps (Flame On) Gee, then I guess the extra horn that's mounted in the floor of some SDPD cars, firing at the ground at a shallow angle, is just for show, huh? (For calibration, they simply turn off one horn or the other.) --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 " 421,17,"From: B8HA Subject: RE: Jews/Islam Dr. Frankenstien Lines: 99 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Some of your article was cut off on the right margin, but I will try and answer from what I can read. In article kaveh@gate-koi.corp.sgi.com (Kaveh Smith ) writes: >I have found Jewish people very imagentative and creative. Jewish religion was the foundation for Christianity and >Islam. In other words Judaism has fathered both religions. Now Islam has turned against its father I may say. >It is Ironic that after communizem threat is almost gone, religion wars are going to be on the raise. >I thought the idea of believing on one God, was to Unite all man kind. How come both Jews and Islam which believe >on the same God, ""the God of Ebrahim"" are killing each other? Is this like Dr. Frankenstien's story? >How are you going to stop this from happening? How are you going to deal with so many Muslims. Nuking them >would distroy the whole world? Would God get mad, since you have killed his followers, you believe on the same >God, same heaven and the same hell after all? What is the peacefull way of ending this Saga? > Judaism did not father Islam. We had many of the same prophets, but Judaism ignores prophets later prophets including Jesus Christ (who Christians and Muslims believe in) and Mohammed. The idea of believing in one God should unite all peoples. However, note that Christianity and Islam reflect the fact that there are people with different views and the rights of non-Christians and non-Muslims are stated in each religion. >Man kind needs religion, since it sets up the rules and the regulations which keeps the society in a healthy state. >A religion is mostly a sets of rules which people have experienced and know it works for the society. >The praying, keeps the sole healthy and meditates it. God does not care for man kinds pray, but man kind hopes >that God will help him when he prays. >Religion works mostly on the moral issues and trys to put away the materialistic things in the life. But the >religious leaders need to make a living through religion? So they may corrupt it, or turn it to their own way to >make their living. i.e Muslims have to pay %20 percent of their income to the Mullahs. I guess the rabie gets his >cut too! > We are supposed to pay 6% of our income after all necessities are paid. Please note that this 6% is on a personal basis - if you are poor, there is no need to pay (quite the contrary, this money most often goes to the poor in each in country and to the poor Muslims around the world). Also, this money is not required in the human sense (i.e. a Muslim never knocks at your door to ask for money and nobody makes a list at the mosque to make sure you have paid (and we surely don't pass money baskets around during our prayer services)). >Is in it that religion should be such that everybody on planet earth respects each other, be good toward each other >helps one another, respect the mother nature. Is in that heaven and hell are created on earth through the acts >that we take today? Is in it that within every man there is good and bad, he could choose either one, then he will >see the outcome of his choice. How can we prevent man kind from going crazy over religion. How can we stop >another religious killing field, under poor Gods name? What are your thoughts? Do you think man kind would >to come its senses, before it is too late? > > >P.S. on the side > >Do you think that Moses saw the God on mount Sina? Why would God go to top of the mountain? He created >the earth, he could have been anywhere? why on top the mountain? Was it because people thought to see God >you have to reach to the skies/heavens? Why God kept coming back to Middle East? Was it because they created >God through their imagination? Is that why Jewish people were told by God, they were the chosen ones? > God's presence is certainly on Earth, but since God is everywhere, God may show signs of existence in other places as well. We can not say for sure where God has shown signs of his existence and where he has not/. >Profit Mohammad was married to Khadijeh. She was a Jewish. She taught him how to trade. She probably taught >him about Judaism. Quran is mostly copy right of Taurah (sp? old testement). Do you think God wrote Quran? >Makeh was a trade city before Islam. Do you think it was made to be the center of Islamic world because Mohammad >wanted to expand his trade business? Is that why God has put his house in there? > The Qur'an is not a copyright of the Taurah. Muslims believe that the Taurah, the Bible, and the Qur'an originally contained much the same message, thus the many similiarities. However, the Taurah and the Bible have been 'translated' into other languages which has changed their meaning over time (a translation also reflects some of the personal views of the translator(s). The Qur'an still exists in the same language that it was revealed in - Arabic. Therefore, we know that mankind has not changed its meaning. It is truly what was revealed to Mohammed at that time. There are many scientific facts which were not discovered by traditional scientific methods until much later such as the development of the baby in the mother's womb. >I think this religious stuff has gone too far. All man kind are going to hurt from it if they do not wise up. >Look at David Koresh, how that turned out? I am afraid in the bigger scale, the Jews and the Muslims will >have the same ending!!!!!!!! > Only God knows for sure how it will turn out. I hope it won't, but if that happens, it was the will of God. >Religion is needed in the sense to keep people in harmony and keep them doing good things, rather than >plotting each others distruction. There is one earth, One life and one God. Let's all man kind be good toward >each other. > >God help us all. >Peace >. >. Please send this mail to me again so I can read the rest of what you said. And yes, may God help us all. Steve " 422,8,"From: C70A000 Subject: RE: Recommendation for a front tire. Lines: 15 Organization: The University of New Brunswick In article <1qfkqhINN1s7@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes: >Yes, my front tire is all but dead. It has minimal tread left, so it's >time for a new one. Any recommendations on a good tire in front? I'm >riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back. Stick an ME33 on the front. I've got a Laser on the front of my GPz, and it has been a fantastic tire. Best front tire I've ever had. +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Graeme Weir DoD #9191 Fido 1:255/14.4 C70A@UNB.CA | | University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada | | Damn the box jockeys! FULL SPEED AHEAD! | | Live to Flame -- Flame to Live | | '84 GPz 1100, '76 KZ900, '76 KZ750, '91 Trek 8000 MTB | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 423,3,"From: mblawson@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Matthew B Lawson) Subject: Which high-performance VLB video card? Summary: Seek recommendations for VLB video card Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Keywords: orchid, stealth, vlb Lines: 21 My brother is in the market for a high-performance video card that supports VESA local bus with 1-2MB RAM. Does anyone have suggestions/ideas on: - Diamond Stealth Pro Local Bus - Orchid Farenheit 1280 - ATI Graphics Ultra Pro - Any other high-performance VLB card Please post or email. Thank you! - Matt -- | Matthew B. Lawson <------------> (mblawson@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu) | --+-- ""Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King --+-- | of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways | | are just."" - Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, 562 B.C. | " 424,15,"From: ejalbert@husc3.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: Harvard University Science Center Lines: 113 In article , db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >> - Mike Walker >> >>[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human, >>that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human. I >>think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic >>definition of humanity. It's a consequence of the fall. Jesus is >>human, but not a fallen human. --clh] > I differ with our moderator on this. I thought the whole idea of God coming down to earth to live as one of us ""subject to sin and death"" (as one of the consecration prayers in the Book of Common Prayer (1979) puts it) was that Jesus was tempted, but did not succumb. If sin is not part of the basic definition of humanity, then Jesus ""fully human"" (Nicea) would not be ""subject to sin"", but then the Resurrection loses some of its meaning, because we encounter our humanity most powerfully when we sin. To distinguish between ""human"" and ""fallen human"" makes Jesus less like one of us at the time we need him most. > [These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different > things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously > different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I > don't think there's any question that there is a problem with > Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form > without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be > a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions > suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from > orthodoxy as many had thought. Nestorius was an extreme > representative of one of the two major schools of thought. More > moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of > Mopsuestia. My impression is that the modern monophysite groups > inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that > some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as > orthodox. --clh] First, the Monophysites inherited none of Nestorius's version -- they were on the opposite end of the spectrum from him. Second, the historical record suggests that the positions attributed to Nestorius were not as extreme as his (successful) opponents (who wrote the conventional history) claimed. Mainly Nestorius opposed the term Theotokos for Mary, arguing (I think correctly) that a human could not be called Mother of God. I mean, in the Athanasian Creed we talk about the Son ""uncreate"" -- surely even Arians would concede that Jesus existed long before Mary. Anyway, Nestorius's opponents claimed that by saying Mary was not Theotokos, that he claimed that she only gave birth to the human nature of Jesus, which would require two seperate and distinct natures. The argument fails though, because Mary simply gave birth to Jesus, who preexisted her either divinely, if you accept ""Nestorianism"" as commonly defined, or both natures intertwined, a la Chalcedon. Second, I am not sure that ""Nestorianism"" is not a better alternative than the orthodox view. After all, I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus's human nature was in heaven; likewise post-Ascension. I think rather that God came to earth and took our nature upon him. It was a seperate nature, capable of being tempted as in Gethsemane (since I believe the divine nature could never be tempted) but in its moments of weakness the divine nature prevailed. Comments on the above warmly appreciated. Jason Albert [There may be differences in what we mean by ""subject to sin"". The original complaint was from someone who didn't see how we could call Jesus fully human, because he didn't sin. I completely agree that Jesus was subject to temptation. I simply object to the idea that by not succumbing, he is thereby not fully human. I believe that you do not have to sin in order to be human. I again apologize for confusing Nestorianism and monophysitism. I agree with you, and have said elsewhere, that there's reason to think that not everyone who is associated with heretical positions was in fact heretical. There are scholars who maintain that Nestorius was not Nestorian. I have to confess that the first time I read some of the correspondence between Nestorius and his opponents, I thought he got the better of them. However, most scholars do believe that the work that eventually led to Chalcedon was an advance, and that Nestorius was at the very least ""rash and dogmatic"" (as the editor of ""The Christological Controversy"" refers to him) in rejecting all approaches other than his own. As regular Usenet readers know, narrowness can be just as much an impediment as being wrong. Furthermore, he did say some things that I think are problematical. He responds to a rather mild letter from Cyril with a flame worthy of Usenet. In it he says ""To attribute also to [the Logos], in the name of [the incarnation] the characteristics of the flesh that has been conjoined with him ... is, my brother, either the work of a mind which truly errs in the fashion of the Greeks or that of a mind diseased with the insane heresy of Arius and Apollinaris and the others. Those who are thus carried away with the idea of this association are bound, because of it, to make the divine Logos have a part in being fed with milk and participate to some degree in growh and stand in need of angelic assistance because of his fearfulness ... These things are taken falsely when they are put off on the deity and they become the occasion of just condemnation for us who perpetrate the falsehood."" It's all well and good to maintain a proper distinction between humanity and divinity. But the whole concept of incarnation is based on exactly the idea that the divine Logos does in fact have ""to some degree"" a part in being born, growing up, and dying. Of course it must be understood that there's a certain indirectness in the Logos' participation in these things. But there must be some sort of identification between the divine and human, or we don't have an incarnation at all. Nestorius seemed to think in black and white terms, and missed the sorts of nuances one needs to deal with this area. You say ""I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus's human nature was in heaven."" I don't think that's required by orthodox doctrine. It's the divine Logos that is eternal. --clh] " 425,4,"From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett) Subject: Removable Storage Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Distribution: comp Lines: 16 We have a Quadra 700 with 170MB HD, but need to a lot of sound sampling for auditory research. What would be the best type of removable media for storing these audio clips? Ron ============================================================================== | 'They say I'm lazy, but | | it takes all my time... | | Life's been good to me so far!' -Joe Walsh | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Ron Pritchett Internet: pritchet@ash.cs.scarolina.edu | | FidoNet: Ron Pritchett @ 1:376/74.0 | ============================================================================== " 426,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Swimming pool defense Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 17 In article dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (David Smith) writes: >Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will improve these kids' chances >of getting another job in the future, but what inner city kid would want to hold >down just one more minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made >dealing drugs? What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made dealing drugs? Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids are incapable of doing legitimate work? -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 427,15,"From: ka2czu@cbnewsh.att.com Subject: Christians in the Martial Arts Organization: AT&T Lines: 39 Greetings and Salutations! I would like to get in touch with people who (a) consider themselves Christians (you define it), and (b) are in the Martial Arts Some topics for discussion: - your particular martial art - your view of the relationship between Christianity and your art - your view of the relationship between *your* Christianity and your art - why should a Christian participate in MA - why shouldn't a Christian participate in MA - Biblical views of MA; pro or con. For example, I heard from one fellow: ""...I tried the Karate for Christ thing and it wasn't for me..."" - why or why not? As an aside, I am involved (in *NO* official way) with an organization called the Christian Black Belt Association and I would also like to distribute info regarding upcoming events to *those who are interested*. No, you won't be put on any ""mailing list"" nor will your name be ""sold"". However, if you ARE intested in an email list, let me know. I am interested in email replies ONLY as this is cross-posted to groups I don't normally read. If anyone wants a summary or, of course, on-going discussion, then let me know. Shalom, Robert Switzer ka2czu@cbnewsh.att.com -- Bell Labs, 200 Laurel Ave., 2b-334, Middletown, NJ 07748-4801 USA (908)957-2923 ...-.- Amateur Radio Operator KA2CZU Robert Switzer " 428,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 18 In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: > >I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people >this I usually get an answer like ""Why do you want to do that >My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle >and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?"" > >So the question I have is ""HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING""? It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but staying alive takes a conscious effort. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 429,9,"From: falcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Scot Hughes) Subject: Re: I hate to mention Acker, but.... Keywords: Acker, Orioles, DoppleAckers? Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: None Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <14APR199316550695@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.193114.2328@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes... >>I feel as if I might be causing some bad karma by doing this, but I just have >>to know...... >> >>Is the Ack man still in organized baseball? > > Glad you asked!! The Ack-man, and nine of his relatives, are currently >impersonating the Baltimore Orioles pitching staff. Personally, I believe >that the Evil Ackers kidnapped the real O's staff, and are currently in the >process of impersonating Mussina, Sutcliffe, McDonald, Olson. No, no no. The Ack man is apparently an alien life-form, much like the pod people from planet Mars, who can take on any form (the ability remains the same, however). The Ack-people have been spotted on many teams to date, but it appears that the Orioles staff (mentioned above) and the Expos bullpen (Barnes, Walton, Fassero, Gardiner and Rojas) have been the prime target. Apparently John Wetteland was roughed up by the Ack-people during spring training due to the fact that his system rejected the takeover, and has been on the DL ever since. Contact the authorities! This evil plot must be stopped! (the Ack-people can keep Jack Morris and Juan Guzman, though. I enjoy watching Toronto fans suffer too much to want these guys returned to normal ;-) Scot. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Hughes | Department of Chemical Engineering | Expos in '93! falcon@cs.mcgill.ca| McGill University, Montreal, Quebec| {witty saying here} ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 430,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Killer Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 95 In article <1993Apr21.032746.10820@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen) responded to article <1r20kr$m9q@nic.umass.edu> BURAK@UCSVAX. UCS.UMASS.EDU (AFS) who wrote: [AFS] Just a quick comment:: [AFS] [AFS] Armenians killed Turks------Turks killed Armenians. [AFS] [AFS] Simple as that. Can anybody deny these facts? Jews killed Germans in WWII -- Germans killed Jews in WWII, BUT there was quite a difference in these two statements, regardless of what Nazi revisionists say! [SY] My grand parents were living partly in todays Armenia and partly in [SY] todays Georgia. There were villages, Kurd/Turk (different Turkic groups) [SY] Georgian (muslim/christian) Armenian and Farsi... Very near to eachother. [SY] The people living there were aware of their differences. They were [SY] different people. For example, my grandfather would not have been happy [SY] if his doughter had willed to marry an Armenian guy. But that did not [SY] mean that they were willing to kill eachother. No! They were neighbors. OK. [SY] Armenians killed Turks. Which Armenians? Their neoghbors? As far as my [SY] grandparents are concerned, the Armenians attacked first but these [SY] Armenians were not their neighbors. They came from other places. Maybe [SY] first they had a training at some place. They were taught to kill people, [SY] to hate Turks/Kurds? It seems so... There is certainly a difference between the planned extermination of the Armenians of eastern Turkey beginning in 1915, with that of the Armeno- Georgian conflicts of late 1918! The argument is not whether Armenians ever killed in their collective existence, but rather the wholesale destruction of Anatolian Armenians under orders of the Turkish government. An Armenian- Georgian dispute over the disposition of Akhalkalak, Lori, and Pambak after the Turkish Third Army evacuated the region, cannot be equated with the extermination of Anatolian Armenians. Many Armenians and Georgians died in this area in the scramble to re-occupy these lands and the lack of preparation for the winter months. This is not the same as the Turkish genocide of the Armenians nearly four years earlier, hundreds of kilometers away! [SY] Anyway, but after they killed/raped/... Turks and other muslim people [SY] around, people assumed that 'Armenians killed us, raped our women', [SY] not a particular group of people trained in some camps, maybe backed [SY] by some powerful states... After that step, you cannot explain these [SY] people not to hate all Armenians. I don't follow, perhaps the next paragraph will shed some light. [SY] So what am I trying to point out? First, at least for that region, [SY] you cannot blame Turks/Kurds etc since it was a self defense situation. [SY] Most of the Armenians, I think, are not to blame either. But since some [SY] people started that fire, it is not easy to undo it. There are facts. [SY] People cannot trust eachother easily. It is very difficult to establish [SY] a good relation based on mutual respect and trust between nations with [SY] different ethnic/cultural/religious backgrounds but it is unfortunately [SY] very easy to start a fire! Again, the fighting between Armenians and Georgians in 1918/19 had little to do with the destruction of the Armenians in Turkey. It is interesting that the Georgian leaders of the Transcaucasian Federation (Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia) made special deals with Turkish generals not to pass through Tiflis on their way to Baku, in return for Georgians not helping the Armenians militarily. Of course, as Turkish troops marched across what was left of Caucasian Armenia, many Armenians went north and such population movement caused problems with the locals. This is in no comparison with events 4 years earlier in eastern Anatolia. My father's mother's family escaped Cemiskezek -> Erzinka -> Erzerum -> Nakhitchevan -> Tiflis -> Constantinople -> Massachusetts. [SY] My grandparents were *not* bloodthirsty people. We did not experience [SY] what they had to endure... They had to leave their lands, there were [SY] ladies, old ladies, all of her children killed while she forced to [SY] witness! Young women put dirt at their face to make themselves [SY] unattractive! I don't want to go into any graphic detail. My grandmother's brother was forced to dress up as a Kurdish women, and paste potato skins on his face to look ugly. The Turks would kill any Armenian young man on sight in Dersim. Because their family was rather influential, local Kurds helped them escape before it was too late. This is why I am alive today. [SY] You may think that my sources are biased. They were biased in some sense. [SY] They experienced their own pain, of course. That is the way it is. But [SY] as I said they were living in peace with their neighbors before. Why [SY] should they become enemies? -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 431,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 31 (MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED SUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.) I think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning. Regardless of how the word 'Easter' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now* mean anything to Christians other than 'the feast day of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ'. The meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean. And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival of Easter may possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of ""pagan goddess"" by celebrating Easter. It is nonsense to say ""this word (or this practice) 'really' means so- and-so even though nobody realizes it."" Words and practices don't mean things, people do. (This is basic semantics; I'm a linguist; they pay me to think about things like this.) -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< [Further, Easter is specific to English. In many other languages, the word used is based on Passover or resurrection. Is it OK to celebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those using English? --clh] " 432,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:03:03 GMT Lines: 251 Archive-name: rec-autos/part4 [this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions of general consumer interest, and is broken out to facilitate crossposting to misc.consumers -- rpw] [last change: 8 February 1993; CT now permits radar detector usage, new tire-traction q&a -- rpw] Commonly Asked Questions Radar Questions: Q: Where are radar detectors illegal? A: In the US, currently Virgina and the District of Columbia prohibit all usage of radar detectors. New York prohibits their use in large trucks. In Canada, they are illegal in Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and PEI (Prince Edward Island). They are apparently are illegal through most, if not all, of Europe. Legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other jurisdictions; chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal. Q: Where are Radar Detector Detectors used? Do they really work? A: Usage is spreading rapidly; initially they were used only in Canada, but now they are appearing in New York and Virginia. It is unsafe to assume that they are not in use in Connecticut and D.C. They work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently available super Het radar detectors; some brands of detector radiate more strongly than others, and are thus more likely to be spotted. New radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected by the current generation of detector detectors. Note that a detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned on. Q: What is VASCAR? Is it some kind of Radar? A: VASCAR is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time-speed-distance computer. It depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target vehicle passes landmarks. No radar signals are emitted by a VASCAR system. Q: What is Ka band radar? Where is it used? Should a radar detector be able to handle it? A: Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US in so-called photo-radar installations. In these installations, a low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit. Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle. Because of the low power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit, although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway. The number of locales where photo-radar is in use is limited, and some question the legality of such units. Best advice: learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they are used (or else, don't speed.) Q: Do radar jammers work? Are they legal? A: Quick answer: No, and Not in the USA. Detailed answer: Cheap radar jammers do not work well at all. Jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the military. Jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the Federal Communications Commission of the USA. Driving technique and Vehicle Dynamics Questions: Q: What are understeer and oversteer? A: Understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a car while cornering near the `limit' (limit of adhesion, that is.) Most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to be descriptive of the situations they encounter. Simply put, they tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner (steer `less', or `understeer') or it wants to turn more in a corner (`oversteer'.) Understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that untrained drivers, inadvertantly traveling too fast, won't get into trouble. Understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle in a corner. Oversteer is designed into some more performance oriented cars; it may be induced by lifting on the throttle (Trailing throttle oversteer, or TTO). In extreme cases, lifting on the throttle may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or spinning. Some technical details: in a corner at speed, the tires on the car will develop what are called `slip angles'; the slip angle is the angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to travel. In understeer, the front wheels have a greater slip angle than the rear wheels. In oversteer, the rear wheels have a greater slip angle than the front wheels. Q: What is a rev-matched downshift? A: When downshifting, the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear than it was in the higher gear. However, during a downshift, normally you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle, so the revs drop rather than increase. In rev-matched downshift, you blip the throttle before re-engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to the new speed. This results in a much smoother and faster downshift. Q: What does heel-and-toe mean? A: Heel-and-toe is a technique used to do a rev-matched downshift while braking. This is normally challenging, because you need the right foot for both the brake and throttle. It is called heel-and-toe because you use one end of the foot on the brake, and the other on the throttle to match revs for the downshift. In many modern cars this is a misnomer; often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side on the throttle. Note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch, and just use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle, accomplishing the same thing. Q: What is double-clutch downshifting? A: While your right foot is doing the above, your left foot can do one of three things: nothing, declutch once, or declutch twice. The reason for declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the transmission to the speed of the engine. This is usually coupled with rev-matching, so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch engaged, the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission speed up. The procedure is as follows: (0) declutch (1) move gearshift lever to neutral (2) engage clutch (3) match revs (4) declutch (5) move gearshift lever to next lower gear (6) engage clutch This sounds like a lot of work, but with practice it becomes natural. The problem that double-clutching solves is normally the function of the synchronizers within the gearbox. In transmissions without synchros or with very worn synchros, double-clutching makes it much easier to shift. Basically, if you double-clutch well, you are not using the synchros at all. This is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good condition. Q: What do the numbers for acceleration from 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and slalom times in the Auto Magazines really mean? May they be compared? A: In short, 1) not as much as the magazines want you to believe, and 2) almost never. In more detail: the acceleration numbers (0-60mph and 1/4 mile times in the US) may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the same source. Testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine that comparing a Road & Track number to a Car & Driver number is quite pointless. Keep in mind, too, that the same variation applies from driver to driver on the street; the driver is a major (often *the* major) part of the equation. Skidpads vary, and even if they didn't, skidpad figures are really only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires; they change radically when tire compounds change. DO NOT make any assumptions about the comparative handling of, say, two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers. This is not to suggest that skidpads are without value, however. Skidpads are an excellent educational tool at driving schools. They are simply of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires. Slalom times are slightly more useful; they test some small parts of the automobile's transient response. However, they are also heavily influenced by the stock rubber on the car, and they do not test many corners of the car's envelope. They DO NOT tell you all you need to know before making a buying decision. For example, they don't tell you what the rear end of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off-camber. When a car has an adjustable suspension, these tests are usually done in the `sport' setting, which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving. The list of caveats could go on for page after page. Q: My buddy claims that wide tires don't make any difference, according to his freshman physics textbook, and that you can't ever accelerate or corner at more than 1.0G. Does he know what he's talking about? A: 1) in short: he hasn't got a clue. 2) in more detail: the equations for friction used in freshman physics textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth, dry and non-deformable, none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating temperature. Pavement is _never_ smooth; it is always irregular to a greater or lesser extent. Tires, which are not really dry and solid (as rubber is a substance which in its natural form is liquid, and which has only been coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic), deform to match the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over. In a tire at operating temperature, grip is actually generated by shear stresses inside the deformed rubber, and not by anything even remotely resembling friction in the freshman physics sense of the term. The colder a tire is relative to its operating temperature, the closer its behaviour will be to the traditional concept of friction; if much hotter than the its proper operating temperature, the more likely the possibility of some part of the tire actually ``reverting'' to liquid, which is mostly like to happen deep in the tread, causing characteristic blisters and chunking. (This latter, though, is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal street driving, so unless you're a competition driver or do a lot of high speed track driving, don't worry about it.) Because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction, it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all; thus dragsters accelerate at more than 1.0G and race cars corner and brake at more than 1.0G. Because simple friction does not apply, it is actually possible for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of grip. An actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques such as Finite Element Analysis, due to the complexity of the mechanism. Misc. Questions: Q: What does stand for? A: Here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked about; be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names as misinformation abounds on the net. In particular, NEVER ask in rec.humor if you want a useful result. Saab: Svenska Aeroplan A. B., or The Swedish Airplane Corporation Alfa: Societa Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili, or The Lombardy Automobile Manufacturing Company Fiat: Fabbrica Italiana di Automobili Torino, or The Italian Automobile Manufacturers of Turin BMW: Bayerische Motoren Werke, or Bavarian Motor Works MG: Morris Garage Q: Does VW own Porsche? A: No. Porsche is a publicly held company, controlled by the Porsche and Piech families. Porsche has extensive business dealings with VW/Audi, which causes some confusion. Since currently Porsche is in some financial difficulty, there is a possibility that Mercedes or VW may be interested in purchasing the company in the near future, but this is only speculation at this time. -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 433,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Lines: 15 I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. I don't think Reggie's WS game counts, else I believe he would also have had two. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 434,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. >There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and >published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics >who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again. >For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book ""Sinus Survival"", always gives, Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too! >before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his >new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times >in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over >2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief >of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his >program. Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world. Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless. >In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic >symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly >written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which >I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage >of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can >now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also >*greatly* improved in other areas as well. I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who responds to ""miracle cures."" >Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to >molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that >if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a >natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you >would have perceptible symptoms. Yeah, ""it makes sense to me"", so of course it should be taken seriously. Snort. >Also, yeast do produce toxins of various >sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that >such toxins can cause problems in some people. Yeah, ""it sounds reasonable to me"". >Of course, the $60,000 >question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was >from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the >stress of infections and allergies, etc.), Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass. More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome. >can develop excessive yeast >colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since >testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to >take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively >safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's >no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons. You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic. The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks. >BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae >too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find >a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time. The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve the ""yeast"" problem once and for all. >In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep >medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly >to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough >actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my >face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee >their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as >far as I am concerned. Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating your symptoms. Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate to think my insurance premiums are going towards this. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 435,6,"From: fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Wen-Cheng Fang) Subject: INFINITY RS-6903 6""x9"" Speakers For Sale (BRAND NEW) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 23 I have a pair of car speakers for sale. They are BRAND NEW, still in box and plastic wrap. I got them at Highland's going-out-of-business sale just yesterday However they won't fit my car's rear deck because it's not the right size. So, I am trying to sale them here. INFINITY RS-6903 6x9 Three-Way Freq. Resp. 40-22k Hz Power Capacity: 90 Watts per channel Sensitivity: 93 dB SPL/1W/1m Impedance 4 ohms Mouting Depth 3"" List Price $200 Stereo Store $140-165 + tax Mail Order Catalog Price $149 + S/H My Price $120 obo + Shipping Please e-mail me at fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu or call me at (317)743-1394 Michael Wen-Cheng Fang " 436,9,"From: cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller) Subject: Sid Fernandez? Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 10 I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got his joints a little stiff? Thanks for the help... | Ray Miller | DISCLAIMER | | cub@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov | All opinions are strictly my own | ""I once spent a year in Philadelphia, I think it was on a Sunday"" WCFields " 437,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Fractals? what good are they? Organization: Purdue University Lines: 51 In article <7155@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes: > One thing: a small change in initial conditions can cause a huge > change in final conditions. There are certain things about the way > the plate tektoniks and volcanic activity effect a land scape that > is, while not entirely random, unpredictable. This is also true with > fractals, so one could also conclude that you could model this > fractally. Yeah, and it's also true most long complicated sequences of events, calculations, or big computer programs in general. I don't argue that you can get similar and maybe useful results from fractals, I just question whether you >should<. The fractal fiends seem to be saying that any part of a system that we can't model should be replaced with a random number generator. That has been useful, for instance, in making data more palatable to human perception or for torture testing the rest of the system, but I don't think it has much to do with fractals, and I certainly would rather that the model be improved in a more explicable manner. I guess I just haven't seen all these earth-shaking fractal models that explain and correlate to the universe as it actually exists. I really hope I do, but I'm not holding my self-similar breath. > There is one other thing that fractals are good for: fractal > image compression. Uh huh. I'll believe it when I see it. I've been chasing fractal compression for a few years, and I still don't believe in it. If it's so great, how come we don't see it competing with JPEG? 'Cause it can't, I'll wager. Actually, I have wagered, I quit trying to make fractal compression work- and I was trying- because I don't think it's a reasonable alternative to other techniques. It is neat, though. :-) I'll reiterate my disbelief that everything is fractal. That's why I don't think fractal compression as it is widely explained is practical. I know Barnsley and Sloan have some tricks up their sleeves that make their demos work, but I don't see anyone using it in a real product. It's been six years since Iterated Systems was formed, right? ""There are always going to be questions until there's a product out there,"" Sloan replies. The company plans to ship its first encoding devices in the summer, he says. In March, Iterated Systems will have the other half of the system: the decoders. - Scientific American, March 1990, page 77 Allen B (Don't even get me started :-) ) " 438,14,"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 Lines: 10 dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: > Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are > there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 " 439,18,"From: jamesdon@infoserv.com (James A. Donald) Subject: Re: ""Winning"" Tax Case! Organization: The Liberty Trust Lines: 22 X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13 > Do you have a strange definition of ""winning"" that you titled this thread > ""Winning Tax Case!""? Sloan *lost*. By a unanimous 3-0 decision that tore > his arguments to pieces. He went to prison using these arguments. See > United States v Sloan, 939 F2d 499 (7th Cir 1990), aff'g 704 F Supp 880. The tax protesters are legally correct, but they are put in jail anyway. The weakness of the governments legal position is shown by the fact that when someone protesting tax or gun laws on legal grounds gets a federal jury trial (very rare) the feds blatantly stack the jury, with the same old faces turning up time after time. However Teel should have mentioned that though his advice is legally sound, if you follow it you will probably wind up in jail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | James A. Donald | Joseph Stalin said: ""Ideas are more powerful | than guns. We would not let our enemies have jamesdon@infoserv.com | guns, why should we let them have ideas."" " 440,15,"From: isc10144@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHAN NICODEMUS) Subject: Greek Wordprocessor/Database. Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 25 Hi there, Does anyone know about any greek database/word processor that can do things like count occurrences of a word, letter et al? I'm posting this up for a friend who studies greek. Thanks, Nico. P.S. Can you email as I seldom look into usenet nowadays. -- +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | NICODEMUS CHAN, | Raffles Hall, NUS, Kent Ridge Cres. | | Department of Information Systems | Singapore 0511. (Tel : 02-7797751) | | & Computer Science, | [Hometown Address]: | | National University of Singapore. | 134, Nanyang Estate, Jinjang North | | Kent Ridge Crescent, | 52000, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia | | SINGAPORE 0511 | E-Mail : isc10144@nusunix.nus.sg | | | channico@iscs.nus.sg | +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ""Call unto me and I will answer you and show thee great and unsearchable things you do not know."" Jeremiah 33:3 " 441,15,"From: mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 26 >They believe the danger is real, but others may not. > >Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning >others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs >are correct, and all others are false? > >Some might indeed react to opposition with arrogance, and behave in an >arrogant manner, but that is a personal idiocyncracy. It does not >necessarily mean that they are all arrogant. No the members of the first group are not necessarily arrogant. But when I ask them if they are absolutely certain that the volcano will erupt, I expect them to say so ""No, but I've chosen to believe some knowledgable people who have determined that the volcano will erupt,"" rather than, ""Yes, I am absolutely certain."" When it comes to religious discussions, arrogance or at best naivete is reflected in the latter type of statement. | Louis J. Kim --- _ O PH:512-522-5556 | | Southwest Research Institute --- ,/ |\/' FAX:512-522-3042 | | Post Office Drawer 28510 ---- |__ lkim@swri.edu | | San Antonio, TX 78228-0510 ---- __/ \ 76450.2231@compuserve.com | -- " 442,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 8 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net You're drifting off topic. In any case, if you check on any of the topics devoted to gun rights issues, you will find ample evidence that the ""misinformation"" is your assertion that the term ""the people"" in the Second Amendment has mysteriously taken on a meaning diametrically opposite the meaning of the exact same term in the First and Fourth Amendments. " 443,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 35 >DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:23:54 GMT >FROM: Umar Khan > > His conclusion was that, >while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to >say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the >Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in >the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known >what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored >it)? > Well, it looks like the folks in soc.religion.islam have loosened up a bit and are discussing this topic as well as the banking/interest topic. A few books on the subject have also been mentioned in addition to the one you mentioned. These may be hard to find, but I think I may take a stab at it out of curiosity. I know the one film I saw on this subject was pretty weak and the only two quotes I have seen which were used to show science in the Koran (which I posted here) were also pretty vague. I suspect that these books will extrapolate an awful lot on the quotes they have. At least one poster on the Islam channel seems to have some misgivings about the practice of using the Koran to decide what is good science. I wonder if Islam has ever come up with the equivalent of the Christians ""Creation Science"" on any topic. It would be interesting to find a history of scientific interpretations of the Koran, to see if anyone used the Koran to support earlier science which has since been discarded. It is all too easy to look at science as it exists today and then ""interpret"" passages to match those findings. People do similar things with the sayings of Nostradamus all the time. Anyway, it is a rather unique claim of Islam and may be worth checking. " 444,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 35 boyle@cactus.org writes: > In article <1qv7mn$dql@menudo.uh.edu> thang@harebell.egr.uh.edu (Chin-Heng Thang) writes: > > Recently, I saw an ad for the altima which says that it is the > >best seller for the past 6 months, is that true? > > > > I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that > Nissan claims that the Altima is ""the best selling new car namelplate in > the US"" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics > dept. would have been proud of that sentence. What they mean, I think, is > that of all ""totally new models"", i.e. cars never sold before in any > form, the Altima is the best seller, thereby eliminating Accord, Taurus > etc. THis is from the same people who make the claim that our minivan is outsellin theirs.... implying that the Nissan Quest/ Murcury Villager are out-selling the Chrysler mini-vans.... not only is this not true at all, but it was a stupid claim to make... the commercial was part of the introduction campaign for the vans. Kind of a bold statement to make when you haven't even sold one yet, eh? And I thought Buick and Oldsmobile where bad. Shame on you Nissan and Mercury! > > Any other interpretations? > > > Craig > > Does anyone has anyhting regarding the # of cars sold for the > >past 6 months? > > > > > > > >tony > > " 445,9,"From: moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!) Subject: The Bob Dylan Baseball Abstract Distribution: na Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 42 Just a little something I found while reading the Village Voice, which is not noted for its sports coverage, but occasionally the print some interesting features. This year, the predictions/team analyses for the 1993 season were presented in the form of Bob Dylan lyrics. I don't have the article in front of me, so I'll only give the memorable ones here that I remember and know the melody to. I could dig up more if there is interest. Yankess (to the tune of ""Subterranean Homesick Blues"") Howe is in the basement, mixing up the medicine. George is on the pavement thinking 'bout the government. Wade Boggs in a trench coat, bat out, paid off, Says he's got a bad back, wants to get it laid off. Look out kids, it's somethin' you did. Don't know when, but it's Columbus again. Mets (to the tune of ""Like a Rolling Stone"") Once upon a time you played so fine you threw away Dykstra before his prime, didn't you? People said ""Beware Cone, he's bound to roam"" But you thought they were just kidding you. You used to laugh about, The Strawberry that was headin' out. But now you don't talk so loud, Now you don't seem so proud, About having to shop Vince Coleman for your next deal.... Phillies (to the tune of ""Highway 61"") Well Daulton and Dykstra should have some fun, Just keep them off of Highway 61! Giants (to the tune of ""The Ballad of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter"") This is the story of the Magowan, The man St. Petersburg came to pan, For something that he never done, He's sit in the owner's box but one... Day he could have the Tampian of the world! " 446,4,"From: erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams) Subject: Can I remove the 68000 under my daughterboard upgrade? Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA. Lines: 26 The subject says what I would like to do, here are the details: I have a 512ke with the MacRescue upgrade board that makes it the equivalent of a Plus (System 7 and MacEnvy both identify it as such). The MacRescue board clips onto the 68000 on the MB. It also has a 68000 itself. Periodically I have to remove the clip (not an entirely easy thing to do) and clean the ""legs"" of the 68000. Larry Pina's book asserts that this is occasionally a problem with snap on upgrades: the 68000's ""legs"" will oxidize, causing unusual system errors. Well, that's me. So, I would like to do something permanent, and I think it would be fairly easy to put a socket in where the 68000 currently is, and modify the MacRescue board to plug in. What I'm not 100% sure of is whether it will work. It seems to me that the two 68000s aren't acting independently; so removing one shouldn't have any effect on the performance of my Mac. I'm about 97% sure. Will someone provide the extra 3%? Erik erik@cheshire.oxy.edu " 447,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ORGAN DONATION AND TRANSPLANTATION FACT SHEET Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr13.150018.641@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes: >My wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region >in the past three years. In fact, she tried to have her bone marrow >typed and they wouldn't even do that! Why? > The FDA, I believe. Rules say no blood or blood products donations from anyone who has been in a malarial area for 3 years. I was a platelet donor until my Thailand trip and my blood bank was very disappointed to find out they couldn't use me for 3 years. > >When the secretary of state asked me if I wanted to donate my >organs I said no because I figured that no one would want them >given my history. Was I correct? > Not necessarily. The same rules may not apply to organ donation as to blood donation. In fact, I'm sure they don't. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 448,19,"From: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position (Jesus and the Law) Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 98 sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the >time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly >states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other >words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday >as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus. I think the passage you're looking for is the following. Matthew 5:17 ""Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. There are several problems with this. The most serious is that the Law was regarded by Jews at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic laws), but they are quite minimal. The issue that the Church had to face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it didn't apply to Gentiles. This is a simple answer, which I think just about everyone can agree to. (A discussion of the issue in more or less these terms is recorded in Acts 15.) However there's more involved. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded. Again, this issue isn't one of the abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone agrees with my reading. But the interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's important that it not be relaxed. However for Christians, it's not the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law. While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion. The quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the Law. The ""not an iota or dot"" would suggest a rather literal reading, but in fact that's not Jesus' approach. Jesus' interpretations emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial details. Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude towards the Sabbath and kosher laws. Some scholars claim that Mat 5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish discussions. Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who use them are full of extortion and rapacity. (Mat 23:23-25) This, and the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it. Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the ""ceremonial law"", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite concerned about maintaining moral standards. The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe they are talking about different aspects of the Law. Paul is embroiled in arguments about circumcision. As is natural in letters responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish ceremonies. He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards of conduct. On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later to give Paul so much trouble. It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but we should be familiar with that from current conflicts. Look at the way terms like ""family values"" take on special meaning from the current context. Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to figure out why ""family values"" should be used as a code word for opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S. I think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was involved in. Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values that go along with the term ""Law"", any more than people who concerned about the ""family values"" movement are really opposed to family values. " 449,7,"From: mark@luke.cray.com (Mark Dean) Subject: Re: Ford and the auto Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29970]: luke.navo.navy.mil Reply-To: crayce1@pops.navo.navy.mil Organization: Cray Research Lines: 20 > Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry > Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is > partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of > the ozone layer. Also, any other additional information will be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. >So would Mr. Benz.. -Eh? >And Mr. Chevy, Mr. Toyokogio, and Mr (Insert Car name here...) >--- >Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org - Eat Your Pets - Poke Out Your Eyes - Kill Your >Boss - Burn Down Your House - Move To Elmer NJ - Rip Out Your Nose Hairs With >A Lead Holder - Use X-Acto Knives For Dental Work - Hit Your Mother....... People get a life !!!!!!!!!! MD " 450,6,"From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us Subject: [ For Sale ] EMS Freq. Shifter Reply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us Organization: Indescribable Creations Lines: 20 This is yet for a friend again. EMS Freq. Shifter. (The machine that made those 3-D swirling guitar effects way back in the 70's.) Spacial panner with harmonic shifting. Very rare - A collectors Item. This is the last unit EMS ever made. Rack mountable. Mono in, Up/Down signals out with seperate Pan out and sine/unsine voltage outs. VCO input too to control LFO. If interested contact Kevin before 9 pm PST (California) at 818-362-7883 and make an offer. Do not reply to this account. Have a nice day __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us ] The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415/472-5527 " 451,5,"From: art@cs.UAlberta.CA (Art Mulder) Subject: comp.windows.x: Getting more performance out of X. FAQ Summary: This posting contains a list of suggestions about what you can do to get the best performance out of X on your workstation -- without buying more hardware. Keywords: FAQ speed X Nntp-Posting-Host: spirit-riv.cs.ualberta.ca Reply-To: art@cs.ualberta.ca (Art Mulder) Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 677 Archive-name: x-faq/speedups Last-modified: 1993/4/15 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE PERFORMANCE OF X -- monthly posting - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Compiled by Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) More RAM, Faster CPU's, More disk space, Faster Ethernet... These are the standard responses you hear when you ask how to improve the performance of your workstation. Well, more hardware isn't always an option, and I wonder if more hardware is always even a necessity. This ""FAQ"" list is a collection of suggestions and ideas from different people on the net on how you can the best possible performance from X Windows on your workstation, WITHOUT PURCHASING MORE HARDWARE. Performance is a highly subjective issue. The individual user must balance `speed' versus `features' in order to come to a personal decision. Therefore this document can be be expected to contain many subjective opinions in and amongst the objective facts. This document is specifically concerned with X. There are of course many other factors that can affect the performance of a workstation. However, they are outside the scope of this document. [ People seriously interested in the whole area of system performance, might want to look at the O'Reilly Nutshell Handbook ""System Performance Tuning"" by Mike Loukides. I'm about 25% of the way through reading it, and it looks like a well-written comprehensive treatment of system performance. I'm unaware of any other similar books. --ed.] ----------------- Table of Contents ----------------- 0. Introduction & Administrivia 1. What about the ""Other X FAQ""? 2. Window Managers 3. The X Server Which Server? Locking the Server into RAM? Starting your Server Fonts About the Resources File ! Define Your Display Properly 4. Clients A Better Clock for X A Better Terminal Emulator for X Tuning your client 5. Miscellaneous Suggestions Pretty Pictures A Quicker Mouse Programming Thoughts Say What!? 6. Other Sources of Information 7. Author & Notes ! = changed since last issue. * = new since last issue. ----------------------------- Introduction & Administrivia ----------------------------- This document is posted each month, on or around the 15th, to the Usenet news groups comp.windows.x, news.answers, and comp.answers. If you are reading a copy of this FAQ which is more than a few months old (see the ""Last-modified"" date above) you should probably locate the latest edition, since the information may be outdated. If you do not know how to get those newsgroups and/or your site does not receive them and/or this article has already expired, you can retrieve this FAQ from an archive site. There exist several usenet FAQ archive sites. To find out more about them and how to access them, please see the ""Introduction to the news.answers newsgroup"" posting in news.answers. The main FAQ archive is at rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. This document can be found there in /pub/usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups. If you do not have access to anonymous ftp, you can retrieve it by sending a mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the command ""send usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups"" in the message body. ----------------------------- What about the ""Other X FAQ""? ----------------------------- David B. Lewis (faq%craft@uunet.uu.net) maintains the informative and well written ""comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions"" document. Its focus is on general X information, while this FAQ concentrates on performance. The comp.windows.x FAQ does address the issue of speed, but only with regards to the X server. The gist of that topic seems to be: ""Use X11R5, it is faster than R4"". (Please see the X FAQ for complete details). --------------- Window Managers --------------- There are a lot of window managers out there, with lots of different features and abilities. The choice of which to use is by necessity a balancing act between performance and useful features. At this point, most respondents have agreed upon ""twm"" as the best candidate for a speedy window manager. A couple of generic tricks you can try to soup up your window manger, is turning off unnecessary things like ""zooming"" and ""opaque move"". Also, if you lay out your windows in a tiled manner, you reduce the amount of cpu power spent in raising and lowering overlapping windows. Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) I've found that a good font for tiling is 7x13 (aka: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-100-100-100-c-70-iso8859-1 ). It is the biggest font I know of that I can use on my Sun (1152x900 screen) and still get two 80 column terminal windows side-by-side on the display with no overlap. Other font suggestions will be accepted. ------------ The X Server ------------ Which Server? - - - - - - - Make sure that your server is a proper match for your hardware. If you have a monochrome monitor, use a monochrome X11 server. On my Monochrome Sun, I haven't noticed much difference between the Xsun (colour) server and XsunMono, however it was pointed out to me that XsunMono is about 800k smaller and therefore should contribute to less paging. [ thanks to: Jonny Farringdon (j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk), Michael Salmon (Michael.Salmon@eos.ericsson.se) ] How your server was compiled can also make a difference. Jeff Law (law@schirf.cs.utah.edu) advises us that on a Sun system, X should be compiled with gcc (version 2.*) or with the unbundled Sun compiler. You can expect to get ""*very* large speedups in the server"" by not using the bundled SunOS compiler. I assume that similar results would occur if you used one of the other high-quality commercial compilers on the market. Locking the Server into RAM? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Has anyone tried hacking the X server so that it is locked into RAM and does not get paged? eg: via a call to plock(). Does this help performance at all? I've had one inquiry on this topic, and a few pointers to the plock() function call, but no hard evidence from someone who's tried it. I am not in a position to give it a try. [thanks to: Eric C Claeys (ecc@eperm.att.com), Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be), Juan D. Martin (juando@cnm.us.es) ] Starting your Server - - - - - - - - - - - Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) : If you start up a lot of clients in your .xsession or whatever, sleep for a second or two after launching each one. After I changed my .xclients script to do this, logging in actually took *less* time... we have a heavily loaded system without much core, though. This sounds crazy, but I have confirmed that it works! Warner Losh (imp@Solbourne.COM) provided me with a good explanation of why this works, which I have summarized here: When you start up an X server it takes a huge amount of time to start accepting connections. A lot of initialization is done by the server when it starts. This process touches a large number of pages. Any other process running at the same time would fight the server for use of the CPU, and more importantly, memory. If you put a sleep in there, you give the Server a chance to get itself sorted out before the clients start up. Similarly, there is also a lot of initialization whenever an X client program starts: toolkits registering widgets, resources being fetched, programs initializing state and ""databases"" and so forth. All this activity is typically memory intensive. Once this initialization is done (""The process has reached a steady state""), the memory usage typically settles down to using only a few pages. By using sleeps to stagger the launching of your clients in your .Xinitrc , you avoid them fighting each other for your workstation's limited resources This is most definitely a ""Your Mileage May Vary"" situation, as there are so many variables to be considered: available RAM, local swap space, load average, number of users on your system, which clients you are starting, etc. Currently in my .xinitrc I have a situation like: (sleep 1; exec xclock ) & (sleep 1; exec xbiff ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & I've experimented with: (sleep 1; exec xclock ) & (sleep 2; exec xbiff ) & (sleep 3; exec xterm ) & (sleep 4; exec xterm ) & I've even tried: (sleep 2; exec start_X_clients_script ) & and then in start_X_clients_script I had: (sleep 1; exec xclock ) & (sleep 1; exec xbiff ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & [ The idea with this last one was to make sure that xinit had completely finished processing my .xinitrc, and had settled down into a ""steady state"" before the sleep expired and all my clients were launched. ] All of these yielded fairly comparable results, and so I just stuck with my current setup, for its simplicity. You will probably have to experiment a bit to find a setup which suits you. Fonts - - - Loading fonts takes time and RAM. If you minimize the number of fonts your applications use, you'll get speed increases in load-up time. One simple strategy is to choose a small number of fonts (one small, one large, one roman, whatever suits you) and configure all your clients -- or at least all your heavily used clients -- to use only those few fonts. Client programs should start up quicker if their font is already loaded into the server. This will also conserve server resources, since fewer fonts will be loaded by the server. [ Farrell McKay (fbm@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au), Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) ] eg: My main xterm font is 7x13, so I also have twm set up to use 7x13 in all it's menus and icons etc. Twm's default font is 8x13. Since I don't normally use 8x13, I've eliminated one font from my server. Oliver Jones (oj@roadrunner.pictel.com): Keep fonts local to the workstation, rather than loading them over nfs. If you will make extensive use of R5 scalable fonts, use a font server. About the Resources File - - - - - - - - - - - - - Keep your .Xresources / .Xdefaults file small. Saves RAM and saves on server startup time. Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) One suggestion: In your .Xdefaults (.Xresources) file, try putting only the minimum number of resources that you want to have available to all of your applications. For example: *reverseVideo: true Then, separate your resources into individual client-specific resource files. For example: $HOME/lib/app-defaults. In your .login file set the environment variable XUSERFILESEARCHPATH: setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH $HOME/lib/app-defaults/%N [ The ""comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions"" FAQ contains an excellent explanation of how these environment variables work. --ed.] So, when xterm launches, it loads its resources from .../app-defaults/XTerm. Xdvi finds them in .../app-defaults/XDvi, and so on and so forth. Note that not all clients follow the same XXxxx resource-file naming pattern. You can check in your system app-defaults directory (often: /usr/X11R5/lib/X11/app-defaults/) to find the proper name, and then name your personal resource files with the same name. This is all documented in the Xt Specification (pg 125 & 666). [Thanks to: Kevin Samborn (samborn@mtkgc.com), Michael Urban (urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov), and Mike Long (mikel@ee.cornell.edu). Kevin is willing mail his setup files to inquirers.] This method of organizing your personal resources has the following benefits: - Easier to maintain / more usable. - Fewer resources are stored in the X server in the RESOURCE_MANAGER property. As a side benefit your server may start fractionally quicker, since it doesn`t have to load all your resources. - Applications only process their own resources, never have to sort through all of your resources to find the ones that affect them. It also has drawbacks: - the application that you are interested in has to load an additional file every time it starts up. This doesn't seem to make that much of a performance difference, and you might consider this a huge boon to usability. If you are modifying an application's resource database, you just need to re-run the application without having to ""xrdb"" again. - xrdb will by default run your .Xdefaults file through cpp. When your resources are split out into multiple resource files and then loaded by the individual client programs, they will not. WATCH OUT FOR THIS!! I had C style comments in my .Xdefaults file, which cpp stripped out. When I switched to this method of distributed resource files I spent several frustrating days trying to figure out why my clients were not finding their resources. Xt did *NOT* provide any error message when it encountered the C style comments in the resource files, it simply, silently, aborted processing the resource file. The loss of preprocessing (which can be very handy, e.g. ``#ifdef COLOR'' ...) is enough to cause some people to dismiss this method of resource management. - You may also run into some clients which break the rules. For example, neither Emacs (18.58.3) nor Xvt (1.0) will find their resources if they are anywhere other than in .Xdefaults. - when starting up a client on a machine that does not share files with the machine where your resources are stored, your client will not find its resources. Loading all your resources into the server will guarantee that all of your clients will always find their resources. Casey Leedom (casey@gauss.llnl.gov) A possible compromise suggestion that I have (and am planning on trying) is to put resources for all my heavily used clients (eg: xterm) into my .Xdefaults file, and to use the ""separate resources files"" method for clients that I seldom use. Define Your Display Properly - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Client programs are often executed on the same machine as the server. In that situation, rather than setting your DISPLAY environment variable to "":0.0"", where is the name of your workstation, you should set your DISPLAY variable to ""unix:0.0"" or "":0.0"". By doing this you access optimized routines that know that the server is on the same machine and use a shared memory method of transferring requests. [thanks to Patrick J Horgan (pjh70@ras.amdahl.com)] See the _DISPLAY NAMES_ section of the X(1) man page for further explanation of how to properly set your display name. ""I don't think it's stock MIT, but (at least) Data General and HP have libraries that are smart enough to use local communication even when the DISPLAY isn't set specially."" Rob Sartin (88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET) [Jody Goldberg (jody@algorithmics.com) sent me an Xlib patch to change stock R5 to use local communication even if DISPLAY is not properly set. I don't want to get in the business of distributing or trying to juggle non-MIT patches and so have elected not to include it here. Hopefully MIT will apply this minor (~8 lines) patch themselves. In the meantime, if you want to try it yourself, email Jody. --ed.] ------- Clients ------- If you only have a few megabytes of Ram then you should think carefully about the number of programs you are running. Think also about the _kind_ of programs you are running. For example: Is there a smaller clock program than xclock? Unfortunately, I haven't really noticed that programs advertise how large they are, so the onus is on us to do the research and spread the word. [ Suggestions on better alternatives to the some of the standard clients (eg: Xclock, Xterm, Xbiff) are welcome. --ed.] I've received some contradictory advice from people, on the subject of X client programs. Some advocate the use of programs that are strictly Xlib based, since Xt, Xaw and other toolkits are rather large. Others warn us that other applications which you are using may have already loaded up one or more of these shared libraries. In this case, using a non-Xt (for example) client program may actually _increase_ the amount of RAM consumed. The upshot of all this seems to be: Don't mix toolkits. That is, try and use just Athena clients, or just Xview clients (or just Motif clients, etc). If you use more than one, then you're dragging in more than one toolkit library. Know your environment, and think carefully about which client programs would work best together in that environment. [Thanks to: Rob Sartin (88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET), Duncan Sinclair (sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk | sinclair@uk.ac.gla.dcs) ] A Better Clock for X - - - - - - - - - - - 1) xcuckoo suggested by: Duncan Sinclair (sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk) available: on export.lcs.mit.edu Xcuckoo displays a clock in the title bar of *another* program. Saves screen real estate. 2) mclock suggested by: der Mouse (mouse@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU) available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in /X/mclock.shar Non Xt-based. Extensively configurable. it can be made to look very much like MIT oclock, or mostly like xclock purely by changing resources. Of course, the ultimate clock --- one that consumes no resources, and takes up no screen real estate --- is the one that hangs on your wall. :-) A Better Terminal Emulator for X - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From the README file distributed with xterm: +----- | Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here | | This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distribution. | ... +----- Ugly maybe, but at my site it's still the most used. I suspect that xterm is one of the most used clients at many, if not most sites. Laziness? Isn't there a better terminal emulator available? See below. If you must use xterm, you can try reducing the number of saveLines to reduce memory usage. [ Oliver Jones (oj@roadrunner.pictel.com), Jonny Farringdon (j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk) ] 1) Xvt suggested by: Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) : available: export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/xvt-1.0.tar.Z ""...if you don't need all the esoteric features of xterm, then get hold of xvt ... it was written here just to save swap space as xterm is rather a hog! "" This was written as a partial 'clone' of xterm. You don't have to rename your resources, as xvt pretends to be XTerm. In it's current version, you cannot bind keys as you can in xterm. I've heard that there are versions of xvt with this feature, but I've not found any yet. UPDATE (March 1993): I recently had a few email conversations with Brian Warkentin (brian.warkentine@eng.sun.com) regarding xvt. He questions whether xvt really is at all faster than xterm. For instance, xvt may initialize slightly faster, but compare scrolling speed (try this quickie benchmark: /bin/time dd if=/etc/termcap bs=40) and see which program can scroll faster. Also, while xterm may be slightly larger in RAM requirements (We don't have any hard numbers here, does anyone else?) shared libraries and shared text segments mean that xterm's paging requirements are not that major. As an experiment, he ripped out all the tek stuff from xterm, but it made little difference, since if you never use it, it never gets brought into memory. So here we stand with some conflicting reports on the validity of xvt over xterm. In summary? Caveat Emptor, your mileage may vary. If you can provide some hard data, I'd like to see it. Specifically: How much RAM each occupies, how much swap each needs, relative speed of each 2) mterm suggested by: der Mouse (mouse@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU) available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in /X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax. ""I also have my own terminal emulator. Its major lack is scrollback, but some people like it anyway."" Tuning your client - - - - - - - - - - Suggestions on how you can tune your client programs to work faster. From Scott Barman (scott@asd.com) comes a suggestion regarding Motif Text Field Widgets: I noticed that during data entry into Motif text field widgets, I was getting a slight lag in response to some keystrokes, particularly the initial one in the field. Examining the what was going on with xscope I found it. It seems that when the resource XmNblinkRate is non-zero and the focus is on a text field widget (or even just a text widget) the I-beam cursor will blink. Every time the cursor appears or disappears in those widgets, the widget code is making a request to the server (CopyArea). The user can stop this by setting the resource XmNblinkRate to 0. It is not noticeable on a 40MHz SPARC, but it does make a little difference on a [slower system]. This specific suggestion can probably be applied in general to lots of areas. Consider your heavily used clients, are there any minor embellishments that can be turned off and thereby save on Server requests? ------------------------- Miscellaneous Suggestions ------------------------- Pretty Pictures - - - - - - - - Don't use large bitmaps (GIF's, etc) as root window backgrounds. - The more complicated your root window bitmap, the slower the server is at redrawing your screen when you reposition windows (or redraw, etc) - These take up RAM, and CPU power. I work on a Sun SPARC and I'm conscious of performance issues, I can't comprehend it when I see people with a 4mb Sun 3/60 running xphoon as their root window. I'll let someone else figure out how much RAM would be occupied by having a full screen root image on a colour workstation. - If you're anything like me, you need all the screen real estate that you can get for clients, and so rarely see the root window anyway. [ Thanks to Qiang Alex Zhao (azhao@cs.arizona.edu) for reminding me of this one. --ed.] A Quicker Mouse - - - - - - - - Using xset, you can adjust how fast your pointer moves on the screen when you move your mouse. I use ""xset m 3 10"" in my .xinitrc file, which lets me send my pointer across the screen with just a flick of the wrist. See the xset man page for further ideas and information. Hint: sometimes you may want to *slow down* your mouse tracking for fine work. To cover my options, I have placed a number of different mouse setting commands into a menu in my window manager. e.g. (for twm) : menu ""mouse settings"" { ""Mouse Settings:"" f.title "" Very Fast"" ! ""xset m 7 10 &"" "" Normal (Fast)"" ! ""xset m 3 10 &"" "" System Default (Un-Accelerated)"" ! ""xset m default &"" "" Glacial"" ! ""xset m 0 10 &"" } Programming Thoughts - - - - - - - - - - - Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) : To speed up applications that you're developing, there are tons of things you can do. Some that stick out: - For Motif programs, don't set XmFontList resources for individual buttons, labels, lists, et. al.; use the defaultFontList or labelFontList or whatever resource of the highest-level manager widget. Again, stick to as few fonts as possible. - Better yet, don't use Motif at all. It's an absolute pig. - Don't create and destroy widgets on the fly. Try to reuse them. (This will avoid many problems with buggy toolkits, too.) - Use a line width of 0 in GCs. On some servers this makes a HUGE difference. - Compress and collapse multiple Expose events. This can make the difference between a fast application and a completely unusable one. Francois Staes (frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be) : Just a small remark: I once heard that using a better malloc function would greatly increase performance of Xt based applications since they use malloc heavily. They suggested trying out the GNUY malloc, but I didn't find the time yet. I did some tests on small programs just doing malloc and free, and the differences were indeed very noticeable ( somewhat 5 times faster) [ Any confirmation on this from anyone? --ed.] Andre' Beck (Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de) : - Unnecessary NoExpose Events. Most people use XCopyArea/XCopyPlane as fastest blit routines, but they forget to reset graphics_exposures in the GC used for the blits. This will cause a NoExpose Event every blit, that, in most cases, only puts load onto the connection and forces the client to run through it's event-loop again and again. - Thousands of XChangeGC requests. This ""Gfx Context Switching"" is also seen in most handcoded X-Apps, where only one or few GCs are created and then heavily changed again and again. Xt uses a definitely better mechanism, by caching and sharing a lot of GCs with all needed parameters. This will remove the load of subsequent XChangeGC requests from the connection (by moving it toward the client startup phase). Say What!? - - - - - - Some contributors proposed ideas that seem right off the wall at first: David B. Lewis (by day: dbl@osf.org, by night: david%craft@uunet.uu.net) : How about this: swap displays with someone else. Run all your programs on the other machine and display locally; the other user runs off your machine onto the other display. Goal: reduce context switches in the same operation between client and server. I'm not in a situation where I can easily try this, but I have received the following confirmation... Michael Salmon (Michael.Salmon@eos.ericsson.se): I regularly run programs on other machines and I notice a big difference. I try to run on a machine where I will reduce net usage and usually with nice to reduce the impact of my intrusion. This helps a lot on my poor little SS1+ with only 16 MB, it was essential when I only had 8 MB. Casey Leedom (casey@gauss.llnl.gov) : [The X11 Server and the client are] competing for the same CPU as your server when you run it on the same machine. Not really a major problem, except that the X11 client and the server are in absolute synchronicity and are context thrashing. Timothy H Panton (thp@westhawk.uucp) : Firstly it relies on the fact that most CPU's are mostly idle, X's cpu usage is bursty. so the chances of you and your teammate doing something cpu-intensive at the same time is small. If they are not then you get twice the cpu+memory available for your action. The second factor is that context switches are expensive, using 2 cpu's halves them, you pay a price due to the overhead of going over the network, but this is offset in most cases by the improved buffering of a network (typically 20k vs 4k for a pipe), allowing even fewer context switches. ---------------------------- Other Sources of Information ---------------------------- Volume 8 in O'Reilly's X Window System Series, ``X Window System Administrator's Guide'' is a book all X administrator's should read. Adrian Nye (adrian@ora.com): A lot more tips on performance are in the paper ""Improving X Application Performance"" by Chris D. Peterson and Sharon Chang, in Issue 3 of The X Resource. An earlier version of this paper appeared in the Xhibition 1992 conference proceedings. This paper is absolutely essential reading for X programmers. -------------- Author & Notes -------------- This list is currently maintained by Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) Suggestions, corrections, or submission for inclusion in this list are gladly accepted. Layout suggestions and comments (spelling mistak's too! :-) are also welcome. Currently I have listed all contributors of the various comments and suggestions. If you do not want to be credited, please tell me. speedup-x-faq is copyright (c) 1993 by Arthur E. Mulder You may copy this document in whole or in part as long as you don't try to make money off it, or pretend that you wrote it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- ...art mulder ( art@cs.ualberta.ca ) | ""Do not be conformed to this world, Department of Computing Science | but be transformed by the renewal University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada | of your mind, ..."" Romans 12:2 " 452,2,"From: bo@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Bo Peng) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu From article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu>, by dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina): > Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this > card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on > latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors > in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. > I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors > in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible > quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. > What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. > Thx Dave L > > You're using drivers version 2.02 or earlier. The latest is 2.03, available from their BBS or by snailmail. It at least fixes the WfW problem. The reason I wanted to reply in public instead of private mail is because of following: I talked to their tech support a few days ago and was told that I can expect a new version near the end of the month. Which should be about now... However, I have a problem when switching back from a DOS session in standard mode. Apparently they don't know of this problem and seem to be surprised why anybody would want to use standard mode at all. It's a great card for the price, at least when I bought it. Now there may be better alternatives. Bo Peng " 453,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr19.113255.27550@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > >Fred, the problem with such reasoning is that for us non-believers > >we need a better measurement tool to state that person A is a > >real Muslim/Christian, while person B is not. As I know there are > >no such tools, and anyone could believe in a religion, misuse its > >power and otherwise make bad PR. It clearly shows the sore points > >with religion -- in other words show me a movement that can't spin > >off Khomeinis, Stalins, Davidians, Husseins... *). > > I don't think such a system exists. I think the reason for that is an > condition known as ""free will"". We humans have got it. Anybody, using > their free-will, can tell lies and half-truths about *any* system and > thus abuse it for their own ends. I don't think such tools exist either. In addition, there's no such thing as objective information. All together, it looks like religion and any doctrines could be freely misused to whatever purpose. This all reminds me of Descartes' whispering deamon. You can't trust anything. So why bother. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 454,7,"From: rcg1597@zeus.tamu.edu (GUYNN, RICHARD CARL) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Article-I.D.: zeus.5APR199321160020 Distribution: world Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com>, mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes... >My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced >(1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years Last year produced: 1980. >about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it >before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may >actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. > >Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are >still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the >market? >-- Yes, there are still alot of MGBs out there. The earlier cars (pre 74-1/2) are usually more desirable due to certain things that went with having chrome bumpers (ride height, generally more power). The older cars are appreciating... slowly. The newer ones seem to be at a stable level at the moment. $6 to $8k would require extremely good condition and low miles. If the car is in good shape and regular maintenance is kept up on it, the car should last for a long time. There are still plenty of parts sources ouththere. The MGB is a great, fun little car. If she is keeping it solely in the hopes that it is going to appreciate, tell her to sell it. It is not worth waiting the time it would take to appreciate to a real profitable level. *************************************************************************** *Rick Guynn -MG driver soontobe. * MGA 1600 MkII * *RCG1597@zeus.tamu.edu * Rebuild (complete) to be finished ?? * *Texas A&M University * * *Keeper of the eternal octagon * `69 MGB Roadster * * a.k.a. The marque symbol that * I'll have it registered soon, * * refuses to die. * honest! * *************************************************************************** " 455,4,"From: f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Disappointed by La Cie Organization: Univ of Miami IR Lines: 52 Approximately four months ago, I purchased a Quantum 240LPS HD from La Cie for $649. After two months, the drive started having problems. First, there were intermittent freezes, then corrupted files and resources, then Silverlining 5.41 wouldn't even recognize the drive. So I got an RMA from La Cie and exchanged the new drive for a reconditioned one. Well, about a month has passed now and the second drive is having problems. Often, when I boot up my IIsi I get the flashing question mark. Sometimes, if I then insert the Silverlining (5.42) program I can get it to recognize the drive by making it scan over and over for drives. At that point I can restart the IIsi and boot from the HD. I've called La Cie again and they've given me another RMA. Their tech support people tell me that if Silverlining doesn't see the drive there's a definite hardware problem. Given that this is the second bad drive in four months, I asked La Cie to send me a *new* one, but they said ""no."" Also, within three weeks after I purchased my original drive, La Cie dropped the price on it by over $100. I can accept that a drive (or two) may be bad. And I know that hardware vendors make a practice of sending reconditioned replacements when they do repairs. And I understand that the nature of the computer industry lends itself to sudden price fluctuations. Nevertheless, taken together, the convergence of these facts/events have left a bad taste in my mouth. (I should have added above that when I asked La Cie to transfer the contents of my current drive to the one they will send_I think the data is still in good shape and I'll have to again reinstall everything from floppies_they said it would cost me $250 for data recovery.) It seems to me that reconditioned hardware should be sold as reconditioned at a discounted price, and that replacements for new hardware gone bad (still covered under a 90-day warranty) should be new. I feel a little helpless about all this. I don't mean to necessarily flame La Cie_their support staff have always been friendly and sometimes even helpful. But c'mon. Sometimes a little extra customer service goes a long way. (I sent a letter to La Cie's customer service when the first drive was returned and I asked them for a credit on the price difference since I had purchased the drive three weeks before they slashed the price. I told them I would like to apply the credit toward the purchase of another La Cie product. They didn't even have the courtesy to reply one way or the other.) What's the moral of this story? I'm not sure. But I do know I won't buy any other products from La Cie in the future. Bill Krauthammer f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu PS Please don't email or post about how good your La Cie product and service has been. I'm not suggesting that they are not a good company or anything like that. All I'm saying is that I've had a disappointing experience with them and I'll be taking my business elsewhere in the future. " 456,16,"From: rboudrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A. Boudrie) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 249 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: >In article >jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote: > >> In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu >> (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >> >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms. Clearly >> >and unequivocally, without infringement. > >> Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state. If last >> part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said. The problem >> I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the >> amendment. The Second Amendment is: > >> A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security > ^^^^^^^ Militia > >> of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear > ^^^^^ State > >> arms, shall not be infringed. > ^^^^ Arms > >You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on >the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the >Constitution. > >> This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me. According >> to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined >> structure and follows nationally uniform regulations. > >Perhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!! > > James Madison, Federalist Paper 46: ""Besides the advantage of > being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost > every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to > which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers > are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of > ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government > of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military > establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are > carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments > are afraid to trust the people with arms."" > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, 8 June 1789: ""The right > of the people to keep and bear... arms shall not be infringed. A > well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free > country..."" > > Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (on the organization of > the militia): ""Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with > respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it > will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of > a year."" > > Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (speaking of standing > armies): ""... if circumstances should at any time oblige the > government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be > formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large > body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^***** > own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."" > ***^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >But *surely* Hamilton and Madison didn't mean the PEOPLE when they >said ""people"", right? That's why the Amendment refers to ""the Right >of the Militia""?... ;-) > >> Your average >> 17-45 year old male does not fall into the definition. > >You're right, the Militia consists of ALL able bodied males (and >probably females under current interpretation). > >> Therefore most >> members of The Militia, the one the every gun advocate refers to, are >> not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly > >The Amendment does nor refer to ""well organized"", it says ""well >regulated"". I have some targets you may examine if you wish to check >how _well regulated_ I am. > >> mentioned in the amendment. > >> If this amendment wanted to allow every member of The Militia to keep >> and bear arms, why did it specificly mention a ""well organized militia"" >> in the SAME SENTENCE as the right to keep and bear arms? > >Correct. That's why the Right is reserved to the People. And that >was to insure the People could form a ""well regulated Militia"", not a >""well organized militia"". > >> It could be >> argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last >> part. If so, why was it include in the same atomic unit of written > >What do Atomic Units have to do with this argument? Any moron can set >h_bar = C = 1... > >> instead of a separate sentence? > >Oh, I see what your question is; Why don't you read the federalist >Papers?! > > James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the ""General > Welfare"" clause): ""Nothing is more natural nor common than first > to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a > recital of particulars."" > >But what does Madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd? He >only wrote it. > >> The amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with >> the security of a free state. The Federalist Paper's mention of a >> well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects >> the security of a free state. All these examples are actions of a >> very organized force, not some John Q. Public with a gun. > >That's obviously because you've never actually *read* the Federalist >Papers. > >> All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me is that the people's >> right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed. That is >> people have the right to join a well organized militia. This well >> organized militia will, of course, provide training in how to use arms >> and in basic military tactics. These training members of the militia >> can keep and bear the arms. > >Can't read, huh? Show me where the document says ""well organized >militia"". > >> Lastly, reading through the Federalist Paper's on well organized >> militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias. >> One reason stated is the protection from a standing army. These days >> the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every >> 17-45 year old male and female not in the armied forces. > >That is *exactly* why EVERY PERSON should be allowed to own *any* >weapon currently in use in the armed forces. > >> Another >> reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need >> for a standing army. Well, the US Armied Forces have been a standing >> army for more than half the history of the US. > >But the major reason is to protect against that very same army. > >> It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give >> the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the >> people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit >> of an anachronism is this day and age. Maybe its time to re-think >> how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately. > > Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: ""This > country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit > it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, > they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or > their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."" > > Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate > over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August > 1789: ""What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the > establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ... > Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of > the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order > to raise an army upon their ruins."" > >So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy >our Liberties and Rights. > >-- >Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu >Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 >------------------------------------------------------------- >""...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be >drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render >powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will >become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we >separated."" Thomas Jefferson, 1821 >> In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu >> (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >> >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms. Clearly >> >and unequivocally, without infringement. > >> Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state. If last >> part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said. The problem >> I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the >> amendment. The Second Amendment is: > >> A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security > ^^^^^^^ Militia > >> of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear > ^^^^^ State > >> arms, shall not be infringed. > ^^^^ Arms > >You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on >the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the >Constitution. There are several ways in which one can choose to intrepret any constitutational issue : (a) Original intent (b) Subjectively intrepreted accordiong to political whims of the day. If we use original intent as the basis for intrepreting the constitution, it is clear that the founding fathers intended that the individual citizen be allowed to bear arms similar to those used by soldiers of the day. For references, I cite : - Federalist papers - ""The Embarassing Second Ammendment"", Yale Law Review, Prof. Stanford Levinson [sorry, I don't have the date handy] Prof Levinson sought to prove that the 2nd ammendment did not convey an individual right, but concluded that it did, hence the ""embarassing"" in his title. - Report of the Subcomittee on the Consititution, United States Sendate, 97th Congress, Second Session February 1982. - U.S. vs. Verguido Urguidez (Supreme court case in recent years). Although this case did not pertain to firearms, Justice Rhenquist notes that the term ""the people"" is a term of art conveying individual rights, and specifically cited several used, 2nd ammentment included, in his opinion. - Title 10, U.S. Code. This states that all males between the ages of 18 & 45 not part of the organized militia, and all female officers of the national guard are part of the unorganized militia. Feel free to cite any scholarly and historical references you have to support your position. I could go on a greater length with my personal proof by assertion, however, such a technique would carry no more or less weight that your dubious proofs by assertion. " 457,5,"From: bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras) Subject: Re: Automated X testing Reply-To: bill@msi.com Organization: Molecular Simulations Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 27 Mark D. Collier (mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing : of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could : program (or which could record events/output) with our verification : test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression : testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX : projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS. A question like this is answered in the FAQ, about sharing X windows. One of the answers is XTrap, a record and playback extenstion to X. You can find it at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/XTrapV33_X11R5.tar.Z. Does anyone know of a program which doesn't require an X extension? Most the the X servers we have at work have vendor extensions which we can't modify, so XTrap doesn't help up. There is X conferencing software at mit, but I don't know how easy it would be to modify it to do record and playback. Any help would be appreciated. -- +-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+ | Bill Poitras | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Tel (408)522-9229 | | bill@msi.com | Sunnyvale, CA 94086-3522 | FAX (408)732-0831 | +-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+ |FTP Mail |mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com | Offers:ftp via email | | |Subject:helpquit | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 458,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: >Remember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see >the cryptosystem design. I hope there are some silicon jocks on the committee who can follow the algorithm through to hardware. While I doubt the NSA would pull any monkey business on this point -- they have to expect that the chip will be reverse-engineered sooner or later -- it's an obvious opportunity to introduce additional holes. > --Steve Bellovin PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 459,14,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Article-I.D.: srl03.pgf.734063192 Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 22 shag@aero.org (Rob Unverzagt) writes: >In article <5APR199318045045@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >> According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >> temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a >> close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >> comet. Attempts to determine the comet's orbit has been complicated by >> the near impossibility of measuring the comet's center of mass. >> >Am I missing something -- what does knowing the comet's center >of mass do for you in orbit determination? >Shag I'm not sure, but it almost sounds like they can't figure out where the _nucleus_ is within the coma. If they're off by a couple hundred miles, well, you can imagine the rest... -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 460,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. IPeter 4:8 " 461,2,"From: dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-72.mit.edu In article <1993Apr20.180234.18192@oz.plymouth.edu>, oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes: |> |> >Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or |> >sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files. |> You can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows |> programs. |> >The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini, |> >system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited. |> |> Is it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ???? |> No. When the program is run, it loads 4 configuration files; autoexec.bat, config.sys, win.ini, and system.ini. There is no Open entry on the File menu. You can only edit these four files. If you need to edit some other program's .ini file, use Notepad or some other ASCII editor. I wonder whether Microsoft intended for sysedit to be used, or if it was just a holdover from the testing period and they forgot to take it out. The reason I think this is because there is absolutely no mention in the manuals about this program, and there is no online help for it (just an About entry under the File menu). The program looks like something that was intended for internal use only. It's kind of a shame, though. It would have made a nice multi-file replacement for Notepad. Daniel Silevitch dmsilev@athena.mit.edu Massachusetts Institute of Technology " 462,8,"From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) Subject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed Reply-To: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) Distribution: usa Organization: UT SAE / Longhorn Racing Team Lines: 14 Originator: lusky@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu I'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine. Just the engine, no intake, exhaust, ignition, etc. Preferably in the central texas area, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we can get. Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one (or more... really need a spare). Thanx -- --=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- \ ""Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!"" / \ 89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale! / \ 79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl / \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ " 463,5,"From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage) Subject: X for PC Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu For those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at the following sitex: ascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo directory The three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and drivers.zip. Josh -- + Joshua Weage : U.S. Snail - 277 Spring Rd, Baroda, MI 49101 + + E-Mail: cs890@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu | ai900@yfn.ysu.edu + + Fidonet: Joshua Weage @ 1:2340/130 + + All ideas are my own and no one elses!! + " 464,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Yankees win home opener Distribution: usa Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam Millitello) says: i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask. bob vesterman. " 465,14,"From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals) Subject: Looking for a little research help Organization: Dynamic Graphics Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com Hi, I'm writing a science fiction script and I'm looking for some answers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point is an impossible situation. [I checked with a professor at berkeley and his response was a VERY helpful ""can't happen"".] If you enjoy playing with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions please contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com). I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic facts about computers that I'm determined to be as scientifically accurate as I can. Sorry for being vague, but I'd like to protect my idea as much as I can until I'm ready to sell it (hopefully). Jennise " 466,3,"From: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (Why VLB busmastering slows your system) Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: > >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system..... > >If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick >up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa >busmastering cards. Is VLB busmastering bad because it stops the processor fetching from external cache as well as main memory while the VLB card has the bus? How significant is the slowing effect? " 467,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com (John Lauger) writes: >In article <19201@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote: >What's the best approach to getting off the analgesics. Is there something Two approaches that I've used: Tofranil, 50 mg qhs, Naproxen 250mg bid. The Naproxen doesn't seem to be as bad as things like Tylenol in promoting the analgesic abuse Headache. DHE IV infusions for about 3 days (in hospital). Cold turkey is the only way I think. Tapering doesn't help. I wouldn't know how you can do this without your doctor. I haven't seen anyone successfully do it alone. Doesn't mean it can't be done. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 468,4,"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: sound recording on mac portable answer (or lead) Organization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures Lines: 7 Whatever equipment will work on a mac plus or a mac se will work fine on a mac portable. It doesn't have a sound input, but there is equipment that works fine with those models mentioned in macuser/macworld. -- gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) ------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------ " 469,4,"From: C604223@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Cho Chuen Wong) Subject: Performa Plus monitor Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 3 I would like to know if a Performa Plus monitor is compatible with Apple 14in Color Display, or it is just a VGA moniro. Any help will be appreciate. " 470,16,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 22 In <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: Fret not, you made it. >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. Not while we still have our guns. Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law. Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? -- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) " 471,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 23 In article <3HgF3B3w165w@shakala.com> dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) writes: >Doug-- Actually, if memory serves, the Atlas is an outgrowth of the old >Titan ICBM... Nope, you're confusing separate programs. Atlas was the first-generation US ICBM; Titan I was the second-generation one; Titan II, which all the Titan launchers are based on, was the third-generation heavy ICBM. There was essentially nothing in common between these three programs. (Yes, *three* programs. Despite the similarity of names, Titan I and Titan II were completely different missiles. They didn't even use the same fuels, never mind the same launch facilities.) >If so, there's probably quite a few old pads, albeit in need >of some serious reconditioning. Still, Being able to buy the turf and >pad (and bunkers, including prep facility) at Midwest farmland prices >strikes me as pretty damned cheap. Sorry, the Titan silos (a) can't handle the Titan launchers with their large SRBs, (b) can't handle *any* sort of launcher without massive violations of normal range-safety rules (nobody cares about such things in the event of a nuclear war, but in peacetime they matter), and (c) were scrapped years ago. " 472,3,"From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: Orbital Engine Company Lines: 29 bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) writes: >kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes: >>Anybody seen the date get stuck? >>I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine >>is left running all the time. >>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate >>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves >>exiting the menu system to get to DOS. >I've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so >I can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at >others the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should >be. Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The Get Date call notices that a ""midnight reset"" flag has been set, and then then advances the date. Anybody with more info? -- John Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu Opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation. " 473,18,From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c) Subject: GUILTY .. or NOT GUILTY.........(comparitive fault law) Article-I.D.: mentor.C51uAI.586 Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 6 Thanks to everyone who sent replies regarding this case. A few of them were very informative and helped very much. Once again. THANKS! T.C. 474,0,"From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de In article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes: |In <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes: |> In article <30114@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: | |> #I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means |> #when put next to the word morality. I assume its an idiom and cannot |> #be defined by its separate terms. |> # |> #Give it a try. |> |> Objective morality is morality built from objective values. | | ""And these objective values are ... ?"" |Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate. I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values such as this exist. -- Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon " 475,12,"From: mneideng@thidwick.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark Neidengard) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Article-I.D.: zeus.1993Apr06.232039.106816 Organization: Academic Computing Services, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Lines: 13 >>: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus >: our use of the Ohms... > >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. DAMN RIGHT it doesn't! Ohm's come from the greek letter omega, which is used for resistance/impedance. Of course, the original poster MAY have been being facetious (let's hope so). Mark Neidengard mneideng@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu " 476,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 73 In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 26051@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>In article <1qc529$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: > >>>Single-track snow vehicles with front skis, and snow skis attached to >>>skiers' legs, deform the surface of the snow, creating their own bank. >>>Ice skates alter the phase of the ice, and also ""carve"" out their own >>>tracks. >>So what? > >So they have bugger all to do with motorcycles. Hence, any apparent >similarity in handling characteristics may, or may *not* be analagous >in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling >characteristics. OK, as one last attempt, I'll take a different tack. We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is, is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of us who have bikes are familiar. Let's look at the one that, so far, has sparked no controversy on its own, gyroscopic precession. To examine this alone, we would have to get rid of the contact patch effect, by not allowing the contact patches to transmit any force. The wheels and steering mechanism would have to remain, and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike, through suspension (so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the same way) similar to a bikes. An experiment would be to ride a bike along a dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning, then change surfaces to something that won't transmit forces through the contact patches, and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans. It probably would, since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice, but we wouldn't get a good idea of how well or what it feels like because, without the contact patches, we can't turn. Maybe there's a better way. Besides, even ice doesn't get rid of the contact patch forces altogether, so we'd have to find a really frictionless surface. You'd have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it was the rotation that did it. Looking at the contact-patch effect only, however, is fairly simple. Now we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and direction of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle, and transmits them about the same way to the vehicle, but without rotating wheels. How it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant, we're just looking for something that has contact patches that can go straight and not sideways, and skis or skates would do fine. I don't know of any snow-ski or skate bikes, but up here we have the Suzuki Wetbike that is arranged like a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels. I think the propellor is in front of the rear ski, or something like that, but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect. Now I admit that this is second hand info (although I'd love to try one of these), but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in a bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very much like a motorcycle, in that you countersteer it to turn. So we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike's, a similar suspension arrangement, and no gyroscopes, but we do have countersteering. Conclusion: you don't need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have motorcycle-like contact patch arrangements. We still don't know what real effect the gyroscopes have when they're there, but from my observations of how handlebar angle, force, etc. relate to steering in general, I'm willing to bet that they're not the dominant factor in countersteering. If you don't like this conclusion, then don't accept it, but my motorcycle's behaviour is consistent with it. If someone can prove otherwise, go ahead. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 477,2,"From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Re: speeding up windows Keywords: speed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes: >I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory >I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw >my computer ""boggs"" down and becomes really sluggish! >What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off >Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to >the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? >Thanx in advance >Derek 1) make sure your hard drive is defragmented. This will speed up more than just windows BTW. Use something like Norton's or PC Tools. 2) I _think_ that leaving the wall paper out will use less RAM and therefore will speed up your machine but I could very will be wrong on this. There's a good chance you've already done this but if not it may speed things up. good luck Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu >-- >$_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ >$\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ >$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ >$ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ " 478,5,"From: chatterj@haji.lcs.mit.EDU (Shash Chatterjee) Subject: Help: SunView on olwm/xview3/X11R5 Article-I.D.: haji.9304051753.AA05339 Organization: The Internet Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert%expo.lcs.mit.edu@fin.lcs.mit.edu Hi, I just compiled the X11R5 distribution for a Sun3/SunOS4.1.1. I also compiled the public domain xview3 (with olwm) distribution. I have some old 3rd-party application binaries that are SunView programs. How do I get them to work under xview3 and olwm? (I tried using the OpenWindows version 2 ""svenv"" program, but it did not work.) I do not have news access....that's why I am mailing this directly. Also, is there an email alias where my questions can get to comp.windows.x or comp.windows.open-look? PLEASE RESPOND TO fwr8bv@fin.af.mil Thanks, Shash +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Shash Chatterjee EMAIL: fwr8bv@fin.af.mil + + EC Software PHONE: (817) 763-1495 + + Lockheed Fort Worth Company FAX: (817) 777-2115 + + P.O. Box 748, MZ1719 + + Ft. Worth, TX 76101 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 479,6,"From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) Subject: Airline ticket R/T between US/Canada and Europe/Carrib/LatinAm Keywords: airline ticket Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: delaware Reply-To: pat@wrs.com Organization: Wind River Systems I have one round-trip ticket good for travel between USA or Canada and Europe, Hawaii, Latin America, or the Caribbean. It is fully transferable and can be used originating here or there. I had intended to use it to visit my grandfather who was sick, but he died before I got there so I have no use for it now. I'm looking for $500 or best offer, but act fast it will be gone on April 15 no matter what. -Patrick (pat@wrs.com) " 480,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 39 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>, |> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: |> > |> > It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to |> > everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but |> > not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just |> > Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would |> > hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel |> > any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his |> > disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything, |> > I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and |> > so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even |> > before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love |> > for us. |> |> Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the |> children who died today at the Davidian complex. |> |> Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering |> organized religion. |> I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT Jesus Christ as he claimed. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) |> Cheers, |> Kent |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 481,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: sgi Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qjf31$o7t@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qimbe$sp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #In article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> #|> In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #|> |> #|> I forget the origin of the quote, but ""I gotta use words when I talk to |> #|> you"". An atheist is one who lacks belief in gods, yes? If so, then |> #|> it's entirely plausible that an atheist could dig Lenin or Lennon to |> #|> such an extent that it might be considered ""worship"", and still be |> #|> an atheist. Anything else seems to be Newspeak. |> # |> #Ask yourself the following question. Would you regard an ardent |> #Nazi as a republican, simply because Germany no longer had a Kaiser? |> |> No, because that's based on false dichotomy. There are more options |> than you present me. And that, of course, is the point. You can't simply divide the world into atheists and non-atheists on the basis of god-belief. If all you care about is belief in a supernatural deity, and have nothing to say about behaviour, then belief in a supernatural being is your criterion. But once you start talking about behaviour, then someone's suscept- ibility to be led by bad people into doing bad things is what you are - I assume - worried about. And in that area, what you care about is whether someone is sceptical, critical and autonomous on the one hand, or gullible, excitable and easily led on the other. I would say that a tendency to worship tyrants and ideologies indicates that a person is easily led. Whether they have a worship or belief in a supernatural hero rather than an earthly one seems to me to be beside the point. jon. " 482,15,"From: shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon) Subject: Was Jesus Black? Organization: BGSU Lines: 43 The people who post to this particular newsgroup are either too cowardly, too arrogant, or too apathetic to discuss this issue since I have yet to see any discussion grace my computer screen. While it holds PARTICULAR interest to the African-American community, everyone has something to gain from discussing it. As any knowledgable person should know, Christianity has been used in this country to tighten the spiritual, emotional, & mental hold slavery placed on the minds, souls & hearts of African-Americans. This was most effectively done by the display of white icons of Jesus in slave churches to encourage the godly superiority of slaveowners. It wasn't enough that the slaveowner was your provider, but he was also your GOD, to be looked upon with unconditional love & loyalty and to be worshipped with great pride. But how culturally & biblically accurate are these icons? Pictures & statues of a Black Jesus have been found in European countries, as that of a Black Madonna. But what about Biblical physical descriptions of Jesus, His hair being compared to that of wool, His feet to that of brass? And think about the area of the world where all Biblical actions took place. I welcome all intelligent commentary on this important topic; flamers need not reply. Sherlette P.S. I expect at least THIS type of response: ""It doesn't matter what color His skin was; His actions & what He did for mankind are what counts."" This is true; I am not questioning this. But He walked the earth for 3 decades as a HUMAN; this part of His existence intrigues me. And as for saying that ""it doesn't matter..."" to a member of a physically emancipated people who is still struggling for MENTAL emancipation, believe me: IT MATTERS. [The general attack on the members of this group seems unjustified. There has been discussion of this issue in the past. We can't discuss everything at once, so the fact that some specific thing hasn't been discussed recently shouldn't be taken as a sign of general cowardice, arrogance or apathy. In past discussions no one has been outraged by suggestions that Jesus could be black (and it has been suggested by a few scholars), but the concensus is that he was most likely Semitic. As you probably know, there is a tradition that portrayals of Jesus in art tends to show him as one of the people. Thus you wouldn't be surprised to find African art showing him as black, and oriental art showing him as oriental. There are good reasons relating to Christian devotion to think of him in such a way. It's also good now and then to have that image challenged, and to think of Jesus as being a member of XXX, where XXX is the group you least respect. --clh] " 483,19,"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se Distribution: world Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok Paul Hudson Jr (hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu) writes: >I was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the existence >of God. Rather, I was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist >relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were >absolute. Man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong. We have >all inherited this knowledge. No matter how ""absurd"" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by mankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common moral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of any use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a workable moral system created for everyday use. The Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing every word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of Israel were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial Laws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance of moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better. It seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo- Christian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from the diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well be an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to follow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was written down by man. This leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the divine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many different ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the fifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do that to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an agnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit society (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take the basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret/extend this to create and justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables the people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers have done). Whatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I think the important aspect is the result. David. --- On religion: ""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, As they swam its clearness through. " 484,5,"From: cr097@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Matusow) Subject: Large Color Monitors Article-I.D.: usenet.1pshdc$md8 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Does anyone have any information/advice on large color monitors (17""-21"") to use with a 486 system running X server software? I maining looking for quality information and price, but all information is welcomed. Thanks, David -- ""It's all ball bearings!"" -- Fletch " 485,12,"From: Wayne Alan Martin Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 60 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <79694@cup.portal.com> Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal. > From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com > Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT > > In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> > swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: > >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that > >this board would be most appropriate. > >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that > >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders > >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the > >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called > >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? > > Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants > are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling > towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for > coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways. > > Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when > its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network > of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling > and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the > hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than > just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is > rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently > seen rising out of these towers. > > That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because > it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of > the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape. > > The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam > system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the > boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across > the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and > by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it > back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference > (sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage ""hot"" > turbine to final stage ""cold"" turbine). > > R. Tim Coslet > > Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com > technology, n. domesticated natural phenomena Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive contamination. Wayne Martin " 486,15,"From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 33 atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: >1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. >2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death > is unfair. > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. Well, I think that most Christians believe that your conciousness will somehow continue on after your 'physical' death, which contradicts what most atheists (myself included) believe, namely that your conciousness, being contained in your brain, dies when your brain dies. >There's no >reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad >enough. I fear the pain that often comes with the process of dying, but since I won't be around to worry about it, I don't fear eternal death. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one ""wail and gnash teeth"" with no lungs and no teeth? Mark Schnitzius schnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu University of Central Florida " 487,6,"From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin) Subject: FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card Article-I.D.: umr.1993Apr17.080644.2922 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu Originator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card -800x600x32768 -1240x1024x16 -up to 15 times faster than vga -manual, drivers -used for 5 months, perfect condition -WD chipset $120 OBO for more info THOUCHIN@CS.UMR.EDU T.J. HOUCHIN " 488,0,"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 48 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In <1993Apr9.154316.19778@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >> If I state that I know that there is a green marble in a closed box, >>which I have _never_ seen, nor have any evidence for its existance; I would >>be guilty of deceit, even if there is, in fact, a green marble inside. >> >> The question of whether or not there is a green marble inside, is >>irrelevent. >You go ahead and play with your marbles. I love it, I love it, I love it!! Wish I could fit all that into a .sig file! (If someone is keeping a list of Bobby quotes, be sure to include this one!) >> >> Stating an unproven opinion as a fact, is deceit. And, knowingly >>being decietful is a falsehood and a lie. >So why do you think its an unproven opinion? If I said something as >fact but you think its opinion because you do not accept it, then who's >right? The Flat-Earthers state that ""the Earth is flat"" is a fact. I don't accept this, I think it's an unproven opinion, and I think the Round-Earthers are right because they have better evidence than the Flat-Earthers do. Although I can't prove that a god doesn't exist, the arguments used to support a god's existence are weak and often self-contradictory, and I'm not going to believe in a god unless someone comes over to me and gives me a reason to believe in a god that I absolutely can't ignore. A while ago, I read an interesting book by a fellow called Von Daenicken, in which he proved some of the wildest things, and on the last page, he wrote something like ""Can you prove it isn't so?"" I certainly can't, but I'm not going to believe him, because he based his ""proof"" on some really questionable stuff, such as old myths (he called it ""circumstancial evidence"" :] ). So far, atheism hasn't made me kill anyone, and I'm regarded as quite an agreeable fellow, really. :) -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. " 489,17,"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Lawsuit against ADL Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 142 [It looks like Yigal has been busy...] RTw 04/14 2155 JEWISH GROUP SUED FOR PASSING OFFICIAL INFORMATION By Adrian Croft SAN FRANCISCO, April 14, Reuter - Nineteen people, including the son of former Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Arens, sued the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) on Wednesday, accusing the Jewish group of disclosing confidential official information about them. Richard Hirschhaut, director of the San Francisco branch of the ADL, art dealer Roy Bullock and former policeman Tom Gerard were also named as defendants in the suit, filed in San Francisco County Superior Court. The 19 accuse the ADL of B'nai B'rith, a group dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, and the other defendants of secretly gathering information on them, including data from state and federal agencies. The suit alleges they disclosed the information to others, including the governments of Israel and South Africa, in what it alleges was a ""a massive spying operation."" The action is a class-action suit. It was filed on behalf of about 12,000 anti-apartheid activists or opponents of Israeli policies about whom the plaintiffs believe the ADL, Bullock and Gerard gathered information. Representatives of the ADL in San Francisco were not immediately available for comment on Wednesday. The civil suit is the first legal action arising out of allegations that Gerard, a former inspector in the San Francisco police intelligence unit, passed confidential police files on California political activists to a spy ring. The FBI and San Francisco police are investigating the ADL, Bullock and Gerard over the affair and last week searched the ADL's offices in San Francisco and Los Angeles. The suit alleges invasion of privacy under the Civil Code of California, which prohibits the publication of information obtained from official sources. It seeks exemplary damages of at least $2,500 per person as well as other unspecified damages. Lawyer Pete McCloskey, a former Congresmen who is representing the plaintiffs, said the 19 plaintiffs included Arab-Americans and Jews -- and his wife Helen, who also had information gathered about her. One of the plaintiffs is Yigal Arens, a research scientist at the University of Southern California who is a son of the former Israeli Defence Minister. Arens told the San Francisco Examiner he had seen a file the ADL kept on him in the 1980s, presumably because of his criticism of the treatment of Palestinians and his position on the Israeli-occupied territories. According to court documents released last week, Bullock and Gerard both kept information on thousands of California political activists. In the documents, a police investigator said he believed the ADL paid Bullock for many years to provide information and that both the league and Bullock received confidential information from the authorities. No criminal charges have yet been filed in the case. The ADL, Bullock and Gerard have all denied any wrongdoing. REUTER AC KG CM APn 04/14 2202 ADL Lawsuit Copyright, 1993. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. By CATALINA ORTIZ Associated Press Writer SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Arab-Americans and critics of Israel sued the Anti-Defamation League on Wednesday, saying it invaded their privacy by illegally gathering information about them through a nationwide spy network. The ADL, a national group dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, intended to use the data to discredit them because of their political views, according to the class-action lawsuit filed in San Francisco Superior Court. ""None of us has been guilty of racism or Nazism or anti-Semitism or hate crimes, or any of the other `isms' that the ADL claims to protect against. None of us is violent or criminal in any way,"" said Carol El-Shaieb, an education consultant who develops programs on Arab culture. The 19 plaintiffs include Yigal Arens, son of former Israel Defense Minister Moshe Arens. The younger Arens, a research scientist at the University of Southern California, said the ADL kept a file on him in the 1980s presumably because he has criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians. ""The ADL believes that anyone who is an Arab American ... or speaks politically against Israel is at least a closet anti-Semite,"" Arens said. The ADL has denied any wrongdoing, but couldn't comment on the lawsuit because it hasn't reviewed it, said a spokesman at the ADL's New York headquarters. The FBI and local police and prosecutors are investigating allegations that the ADL spied on thousands of individuals and hundreds of groups, including white supremacist and anti-Semitic organizations, Arab-Americans, Greenpeace, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and San Francisco public television station KQED. Some information allegedly came from confidential police and government records, according to court documents filed in the probe and the civil lawsuit. No charges have been filed in the criminal investigation. The lawsuit accuses the ADL of violating California's privacy law, which forbids the intentional disclosure of personal information ""not otherwise public"" from state or federal records. The lawsuit claims the ADL disclosed the information to ""persons and entities"" who had no compelling need to receive it. It didn't elaborate. Defendants include Richard Hirschhaut, director of the ADL's office in San Francisco. He did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment. Other defendants are San Francisco art dealer Roy Bullock, an alleged ADL informant over the past four decades, and former police officer Tom Gerard. Gerard allegedly tapped into law enforcement and government computers and passed information on to Bullock. Gerard, who has retired from the police force, has moved to the Philippines. Bullock's lawyer, Richard Breakstone, said he could not comment on the lawsuit because he had not yet studied it. UPwe 04/14 1956 ADL sued for allegedly spying on U.S. residents SAN FRANCISCO (UPI) -- A group of California residents filed suit Wednesday charging the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith with violating their privacy by spying on them for the Israeli and South African governments. The class-action suit, filed in San Francisco Superior Court, charges the ADL and its leadership conspired with a local police official to obtain information on outspoken opponents of Israeli policies towards the Occupied Territories and South Africa's apartheid policy. The ADL refused to comment on the suit. The suit also took aim at two top local ADL officials and retired San Francicso police officer Tom Gerard, claiming they violated privacy guarantees in the state constitution and violated state confidentiality laws. According to the suit, Gerard helped the ADL obtain access to confidential files in law enforcement and government computers. Information from these files were passed to the foreign governments, the suit charges. ""The whole concept of an organized collection of information based on political viewpoints and using government agencies as a source of information is absolutely repugnant,"" said former Rep. Pete McCloskey, who is representing the plaintiffs. The ADL's information-gathering network was revealed publicly last week when the San Francisco District Attorney's Office released documents indicating the group had spied on 12,000 people and 500 political and ethnic groups for more than 30 years. ""My understanding is that they (the ADL) consider all activity that is in some sense opposed to Israel or Israeli action to be part of their responsbility to investigate,"" said Arens, a research scientist at the University of Southern California. ""The ADL believes that anyone who is Arab American...or speaks politically against Israel is at least a closet anti-Semite."" The FBI and the District Attorney's Office have been investigating the operation for four months. The 19 plaintiffs in the case include Arens, the son of former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Arens. In a press release, the plaintiffs said the alleged spying had damaged them psychologically and economically and accused the ADL of trying to interfere with their freedom of speech. " 490,2,"From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Subject: Re: Help with WinQVT Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: lrz Lines: 63 swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes: > when I use a name such as rosevc.rose-hulman.edu > Initiating nameserver query for 'rosevc' > nameserver query time out > when I use the IP number > Local host or gateway not responding >I know the nameserver is correct and the router is correct. They work >fine using NCSA telnet/ftp. They are working ok, but your definitions in QVTNET.INI and QVTHOST.RC are incorrect (see below). >The docs said if you are running concurrent packet software you need to >load PKTMUX??? Does this apply to me??? No, I don't think so. You are using QVTNET and NOVELL concurrently, aren't you? They use different packet types, so QVTNET (TCP/IP) and NOVELL (IPX/SPX) should be able to coexist just fine. PKTMUX is required if you are using different TCP/IP-Packages concurrently. >This is the qvthost.rc file. >137.112.5.2 >137.112.199.50 There is the first problem: You didn't specify hostnames, just IP-Addresses. Your file should look like this: 137.112.5.2 137.112.199.50 >This is the beginning of the winqvt.ini file. >[net] >name=swartzjh.test.rose-hulman.edu Here you should only specify your hostname, without the domain part. >router=137.112.199.50 Instead, use router=, as specified in your QVTHOST.RC I know the release notes for 3.31 say that IP addresses should work also, but apparently they don't. >nameserver=137.112.5.2 Here, too, you should use the hostname of the nameserver instead of the IP address. It worked fine for me that way, although I could not specify more than one nameserver. The relnotes say it should be possible to specify up to three nameservers, separated by commas, but it didn't work. Hope it helps, Richard -- +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de | | EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 | | Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 | | Munich, Germany | | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ " 491,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: a universal RIGHT to bear arms? NOT! Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 25 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes: >|| Wrong again, but if you want proof: turn on your TV and look >||for a show starring Chuck Connors. It was called, ""The Rifleman."" >||Time how fast he can fire that old lever-action rifle. >|Believe it or not, I remember seeing an advertisement for someone >|selling one of these; apparently Winchester produced a bunch of >|these commercially to commemorate the television show. I believe it was >|being sold as a handgun because of the barrel length and lack of a stock. >I might be mistaking the above weapon for the gun used by Steve >McQueen in ""Wanted: Dead or Alive."" If so, sorry. Did Winchester >make any commemorative models of the rifle used by Chuck Connors >in the movie? Chuck Connors was an NRA member before he died recently... I don't know for sure if Winchester made any commemeratives. If I recall correctly, the rifle itself was a .44-40 Model 92 with an oversized loop lever. I don't think Winchester makes this rifle any more. Rossi make a Model 92 look-alike in .38 Special and .357 Magnum. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 492,5,"From: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) Subject: xv -root with vue? (was Re: xloadimage -onroot ...) Article-I.D.: ug.1993Apr5.113128.2936 Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156 On a related note, how can I use xv to display colored GIFs on my root display with HP Vue? All I can do with Vue is display xbm's through their Backdrop Style Manager. xv does not seem to be able to override whatever Vue puts there. Thanks, Jan -- Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com (New address) jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards) UUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan " 493,6,"From: pfc@jungle.genrad.com (Paul F. Cappucci) Subject: Seagate Hard Drive Forsale Organization: GenRad, Inc. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: jungle.genrad.com Brand new never been used Seagate ST351 A/X 40meg hard drive forsale. Paid $135 (includes mounting brackets). I bought it and then ended up buying a new computer. BRO takes it. " 494,15,"From: tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) Subject: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 12 I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. Thanks, -Tim " 495,11,"From: rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Subject: Re: Is there ANY security in the Clipper? Organization: Cold Media Lines: 13 zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) writes: >But do we really believe that the various governments >(including ours) won't have the full lists of all the keys ever manufactured? Yes, but they'll be encrypted with Cripple Chip encryption, the encryption algorithm so great it's TOP SECRET and so unbreakable they WON'T EVEN LET YOU LOOK AT IT! Doesn't that make you feel SECURE? ---- Robert W. Clark Just Say No! to the rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Big Brother Chip " 496,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 23 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri tes: > >Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as me how, I just have seen the results. Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in the head. >-- >_______ >Steve Thomas >steveth@rossinc.com Ryan " 497,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 11 In article vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes: >As the subject suggests the Flames were not impressive this afternoon, >dropping a 6-3 decision to the LA Kings. Most of the Flames neglected >to show up, especially in their own zone, as the Kings hit at least >five posts! The Flames best line was probably Mike Vernon is now 3 wins 11 losses plus that All-Star game debacle in afternoon games during his career...with another afternoon game with Los Angeles next Sunday...has the ABC deal doomed the Flames? Gerald " 498,4,"From: drlovemd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve Liu) Subject: Source for Deskwriter Ink Carts. Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Could someone please e-mail or post a cheap source for ink carts for the HP Deskwriter? Original HP carts are preferred, but I will settle for third-party brands if they are of good quality. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ /~~~~~~~\ | | | _____/ | | | | | +----\ | | \_____ | | | TTTTTT EEEEE VV VV EEEEE | | | TT EE VV VV EE | /---/ | TT EEEE VV VV EEEE | Steve Liu | | | TT EE VVV EE .. | drlovemd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu | |_________/ TT EEEEE V EEEEE .. | drlovemd@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 499,19,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Lines: 25 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ... >Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so >het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism? To the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the truth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to control events. Assuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two relativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute truth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that produces the desired results. Assuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing objectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there is no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals, you must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees with you is amoral. Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention, I'd say that compromise seems to be ""better"". -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 500,10,"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Subject: Re: JETS FANS! Hrivnak or Tabaracci?? Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.215225.11611 Reply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 22 Originator: fmsalvat@c00574-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu > >After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who > >would you prefer to have? And how about > >Tyler Larter? What ever happened to him?? > > You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious. > > > Ok, but have you seen Tabaracci play yet? In his two starts and his relief effort for Beaupre, he has looked mighty sharp - don't forget the shutout. I think he's let in just four goals over eight periods of play. I like Hrivnak, but we might actually have to give some credit to David Poile for a change after this trade. Hopefully if Tabaracci starts against the Isles tonight, I haven't jinxed him. Frank Salvatore fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu " 501,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: I believe in gun control. Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 17 In article , nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>I believe in gun control. How about you? > > I believe in gun control, too . . . assuming by ""gun control"" > you mean always being able to hit your target. > > >---peter > Or, how about the Clint Eastwood line in ""Pink Cadillac"" - ""I believe in gun control. If there's a gun around, I wanna be the one controlling it."" Al [standard disclaimer] " 502,14,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <1qve4kINNpas@sal-sun121.usc.edu>, schaefer@sal-sun121.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.130503.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >|> In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net>, gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: >|> > With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints >|> > by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about >|> > that might just work. >|> > >|> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >|> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. >|> > Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin >|> > to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! >|> > >|> > -- >|> > gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) >|> > theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville >|> ==== >|> If that were true, I'd go for it.. I have a few friends who we could pool our >|> resources and do it.. Maybe make it a prize kind of liek the ""Solar Car Race"" >|> in Australia.. >|> Anybody game for a contest! >|> >|> == >|> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked > > >Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the >feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY! > Feasability study?? What a wimp!! While you are studying, others would be doing. Too damn many engineers doing way too little engineering. ""He who sits on his arse sits on his fortune"" - Sir Richard Francis Burton -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 503,19,"From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) Subject: Re: Abortion Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc., DBA The Ozone Hole BBS Reply-To: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) Lines: 21 To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com LM>>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away. LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel. Life is not a ""violation"". As for cruel, killing a living being solely because it exsist. That my friend is down right cold. Anthony * SLMR 2.1 * What's the difference between an Orange? ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 504,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: What's in a name?: the sequel Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 57 I've been thinking about the idea that was raised (by Michael Covington, I think) that words mean what we think they mean, regardless of etymology. I've been reflecting on what certain words meant in my childhood and tracing how this shaped some of my attitudes. I grew up in a home where Christ was a bad word. People who were very angry said it. The word Christian meant someone who was not a Jew. It carried connotations of otherness, of threat, of enemy. It took some time to figure out that there was a connection between `Christ' and `Christian'. When I accepted Jesus, I expected to be disowned. To become a Christian meant to join the enemy. I knew others would consider me a traitor. At some level, I agreed, but was still prepared to pay this price. Like Esau, I sold my birthright. However, I made a better bargain. He only got some stew, but I got the incomparable riches of knowing Christ. As it turned out, my parents did not disown me. I found out later that they were hoping it was a phase that I would grow out of. By the time they had decided it wasn't a phase, they were sort of used to it. They didn't disown me but they didn't completely accept the situation either. For example, they didn't come to my wedding because it was in a church. When I visited my grandmother in the hospital a few days before her death, she said to me, ""As far as I'm concerned, you still are a Jew."" What she meant was that she loved me and forgave me. But I am not a Jew. I am a Christian. (I'll concede, one that likes chicken soup with matzoh balls.:-)) I do not keep kosher. I do not celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday. My sons are not circumcised. But these things are true of some people who do consider themselves Jews. It is not these rules that make people Jews; it is the heritage from the past. I gave up the past. This is why I find it hard to relate to Messianic Jews. Their experience is unlike mine. They still consider themselves Jews while following Jesus. Some would even say that I *must* do so, too. I am at a stage of my life now where I would like to have a heritage. It was not something I valued very much when I gave it. But I did have a sense that I was giving it for God. It may have been a small sacrifice. It may have been an unnecessary sacrifice. But I gave it and do not want to ask for it back. And while I don't have the heritage I was born with, I do have another. I am an outcast from the house of Israel, but I am a member of the Church. One of the things I like about being a Catholic Christian is that it is rich in tradition. It gives me a feeling of, once again, being rooted in the past. This is probably one of the reasons why I don't like it when people mess around with Christian traditions (for example, changing the name of Easter). These traditions fill an important emotional need of mine. I suppose the point of all this is that people shouldn't assume that all believers of Jewish background are the same. For some `Jewish Christian' is a good name, for others it is an oxymoron. Jayne Kulikauskas/jayen@mmalt.guild.org " 505,10,"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re: Too Many European in NHL Lines: 29 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada RA> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. R> I am sick of watching a game between an American and a Canadian RA> team (let's say, the Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names R> like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America RA> isn't it? I disagree. I think the NHL should feature the best hockey talent in the world -- regardless of nationality. I have to admit that when I see players like Gretzky and Messier traded off to the US because the Canadian teams can't afford them, I have been know to say (only half- seriously) that we'd probably be better off if we had our own Canadian hockey league for Canadian players! ;-) RA> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let RA> te Bures and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. RA> RA> I just don't want themon mine. Again, it doesn't matter to me -- Russian, Finnish, Mexican, Albertan, New Yorker, black, white, korean, martian, plutoneon, ... it doesn't matter. Any of them can put a Leafs' jersey on if they can put the puck in! :-) Stephen Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca " 506,12,From: tron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tron R.) Subject: modulation over rf Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 I would like to modulate a 40KHz squarewave over rf. This is for a rf remote control project. The squarewave has a high of 5 v and low of 0v. thanks. tron -- T T T T T T T T T 507,15,"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 58 In a previous article, dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) says: > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > > I defy any theist to reply. Well, despite what my mother told me about accepting dares, here goes. You have to be very careful about what you mean by ""question authority"". Taken literally, it is nonsense. That which is authoratative is authoratative, and to say ""I question to word of this authority"" is ridiculous. If it is open to question, it isn't an authority. On the other hand, it is perfectly reasonable to question whether something is an authority. The catch phrase here should be ""authenticate authority."" Once you have authenticated your authority, you must believe what it says, or you are not treating it as an authority. The difficulty is that authenticating an authority is not easy. You can perhaps discredit a claim to authority by showing logical inconsistency in what it teaches, or by showing that it does not obey its own rules of discourse. But the fact that I cannot discredit something does not, in inself, accredit it. (Nor does the fact that I can convince myself and other that I have discredited something necessarilly mean that it is false.) I cannot accredit an authority by independantly verifying its teachings, because if I can independantly verify its teachings, I don't need an authority. I need an authority only when there is information I need which I cannot get for myself. Thus, if I am to authenticate an authority, I must do it by some means other than by examining its teachings. In practical matters we accept all kinds of authorities because we don't have time to rediscover fundamental knowledge for ourselves. Every scientist woring today assumes, on the authority of the scintific community, all sorts of knowledge which is necessary to his work but which he has not time to verify for himself. In spiritual matters, we accept authority because we have no direct source ofinformation. We select our authorities based on various criteria. (I am a Catholic, in part, because the historical claims of the RC church seem the strongest.) Without authorities there would be no subject matter for belief, unless we simply made something up for ourselves (as many do). The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty. If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific. To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very nature, prove anything. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== " 508,2,"From: dave@angmar.llnl.gov (Dave Fuess) Subject: WinQVT/Net V3.4? Article-I.D.: lorien.354 Distribution: usa Organization: UC LLNL Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: angmar.llnl.gov An earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to WinQVT/Net version 3.4. Realy? Where? I tried archie with no luck. It's probably just a typo. But I sure would like to get one if it's real as I too have a printer problem in WinQVT. -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 " 509,5,"From: sdennis@osf.org Subject: REPOST: Accelerators/Translations Apparently-To: motif-talk@osf.org Originator: root@postman Keywords: Accelerator, case Lines: 36 Reply-To: sdennis@osf.org Organization: Applicon, Inc.; Ann Arbor, MI (USA) Return-Path: Lines: 36 I posted this a while ago and didn't recieve one reply, and now we have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out? How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one menu entry. In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says ""For information on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4..."", this is so you know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to Vol. 4 it says, ""Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For example, the translation: Shiftq: quit() will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as the Shift key (and the q key). This implies to me that setting XmNaccelerator to Ctrlo should do what I want, but it doesn't, it doesn't work if the user presses the control key, the shift key, and the o key. Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry? Keep in mind when answering this question that when using Motif you can't use XtInstallAccelerators(). I am using Motif 1.1.3 on a DECstation 5000 but I have also tried it on an HP using Motif 1.1.3 and 1.2. -- ********************************************************************** Steve Dennis Internet: sdennis@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com Software Engineer Applicon Inc. Ann Arbor, Michigan Hail To The Victors!!! " 510,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 33 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: > >Be warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of >the Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only >here to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am >""out of the loop"". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I >indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God. I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me. I really wish I could believe in him, 'cos no matter how much confidence I build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be so nice to know I have someone watching over me in it... I've gone into this with an open mind. I've layed my beliefs aside from time to time when I've had doubt, and I've prayed to see what good that would do. I don't see what more I can do to open myself to your god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason. And if I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some other god? Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate... All I know is that in all my searching, even though I've set aside my pride and decided that I want to know the truth no matter how difficult it may be to accept, I have never had any encounter with any deity, Christian or otherwise. Please tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 511,11,"From: zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) Subject: Is there ANY security in the Clipper? Organization: Amdahl Corp., Sunnyvale CA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: sepia.key.amdahl.com It seems to me that all discussions about Clipper security are almost irrelevant - if I cannot choose the key, but have to use a key chosen for me by the foundry, the security of the WHOLE UNIVERSE OF USERS is as good (or as bad) as the security of VLSI Technologies Inc. It is a trivial effort to run any ciphertext agains ALL THE KEYS EVER MANUFACTURED - after all we are talking about 1 to 100 million keys that will ever be manufactured. The key depositories can be as secure and incorruptible as they wish to be, nobody cares anyway...:-( Now if someone would convince me that the shipping docks of VTI, ATT and others are impenetrable (remember: the chips have to ship with the key - you or the dealer are going to submit it to the authorities eventually) I'd be a bit happier. But do we really believe that the various governments (including ours) won't have the full lists of all the keys ever manufactured? Did I miss something here? My own opinions, quite obviously... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ From........: Ze'ev Wurman email.......: or Organization: Amdahl Corp. 46525 Landing Parkway (M/S 581), Freemont CA 94538 Phone.......: (510) 623-2345 (Office) Fax.........: (510) 770-0493 (Attn: Zeev Wurman) " 512,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Keywords: Solid != good Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 64 In article <1qlnknINN2sh@aludra.usc.edu> sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan) writes: Most of the points you made about Lopez v. Berryhill/Olson have been made by others, and realizing that Lopez must be the second coming of Frank Thomas, I have relented and praised the unmistakeable wisdom of his supporters. > >Nope. They're baseball management, possible the most short-sighted >collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on, >Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in >1990? See? This is essentially what everyone was doing - comparing Lopez to one of the best players in the game. I'm really looking forward to seeing this can't-miss superstar now. As for Thomas, I remember being an advocate of his being brought up in 1990 even though he was only 21 or 22 (can't remember). But who did the Sox have at first? Calderon? Martinez? Kittle? The spot was there. The talent was there. Sure, I say go for it. I am not convinced that Lopez is anywhere near as talented as Thomas was after his AA season in 1989, and I am not convinced that Olson/ Berryhill are nearly as bad as Kittle/Martinez were. BTW, I don't think Thomas was hurt by those three months. >Or Cal Eldred wasn't *really* better than Ricky Bones last year? Well, if we can't compare our guy to one of the best in the game, let's compare our decision to one of the most ""Boneshead"", right? Cal Eldred was 24 when he came up, with a full season at AAA and a longer minor league career. Frankly, I don't know why he didn't make the club in 1992. Bones is a year younger with a lousy prior history, and just watching him makes me think that I missed a career as a big-league pitcher. No one - I repeat NO ONE - laughed louder than I did at the Sheffield trade. (Though I guess Mieske has a future.) (I take it back. McIlvaine may have laughed louder.) > >You're mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and >have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b. >We'll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-) aw, gee, shucks. thanks guy. except I missed the part where SDCN's admit they're wrong. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 513,10,"From: SHOE@PHYSICS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith) Subject: Re: Let's talk sticks... Lines: 35 Organization: University of Waterloo In article dptom@endor.corp.sgi.com (Tom Arnold) writes: >Okay you hockey playing fans/finatics out there. I'm looking over the wide >range of aluminum sticks for the first time. I've been playing with pieces >of lumbar that seem to weigh alot and break after a few uses, so I'm >thinking of changing to an aluminum shaft so when I break the blade all I >have to do is change it. The problem is that there is such a wide reange of >models and selections out there that I'm not certain which to consider. Can >any of you post some of your suggestions and experiences with the aluminum >sticks? What is the difference between models? What do you like/dislike about >them? And, which brands are best? > > I've had, and still have a few aluminum sticks. I got my first when I was 15 (a Christian), and broke the shaft halfway through the season, two years later. I bought another (a Canadian) at the beginning of the next season, and I still have it. I also have an Easton, that a friend was getting rid off, after giving up the game. I find that Easton blades are easier to get, but all brands of blades are pretty well interchangeable. Watch out for dried up bits of firewood, that some stores pass off as blades. In my experiences, the blades of an aluminum break more often than regular sticks, but I've only ever broken one aluminum shaft. I like aluminum sticks. The blades are quickly changed, even on the bench if you have to. On the downside, the shaft won't break if you decide to impale yourself on it :-) Ciao, Mark S. ""This is between me and the vegetable"" - Rick Moranis in Little Shop of Horrors Mark Shoesmith shoe@physics.watstar.uwaterloo.ca " 514,5,"From: dscheck@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Scheck) Subject: Imake cpp problems on AIX Keywords: imake Organization: PRC, Inc. Lines: 29 I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2. I am having the following 2 problems. (1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like /**/#This is a makefile at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the start of a directive. However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines that ""This"" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better fix. (2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK. If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's that behave similarly? Since I do not have easy access to News, a response to 'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated. " 515,16,"From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Latest on Texas HB 1776 (CCW) Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu I called the Texas bill tracking people (800/253-9693) again today regarding HB 1776 -- Concealed Carry. Well, it was supposed to come up for a vote this past Wednesday, but the bill got sent back to the Public Safety Committee. The PSC gave it a favorable rating AGAIN, and the bill must now be scheduled for debate by the Calendars Committee AGAIN. Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura " 516,14,"From: hdsteven@solitude.Stanford.EDU (H. D. Stevens) Subject: Re: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) Organization: stanford Lines: 38 In article , yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: |> >NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, |> >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates |> >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This |> >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of |> >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the |> >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone |> >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. |> |> This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My |> guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to |> build large, inflatable space structures. |> The CU people have been, and continue to be big ozone scientists. So this is consistent. It is also consistent with the new ""Comercial applications"" that NASA and Clinton are pushing so hard. |> |> >Is NASA really supporting this junk? Did anyone catch the rocket that was launched with a movie advert all over it? I think the rocket people got alot of $$ for painting up the sides with the movie stuff. What about the Coke/Pepsi thing a few years back? NASA has been trying to find ways to get other people into the space funding business for some time. Frankly, I've thought about trying it too. When the funding gets tight, only the innovative get funded. One of the things NASA is big on is co-funding. If a PI can show co-funding for any proposal, that proposal has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher probability of being funded than a proposal with more merit but no co-funding. Once again, money talks! -- H.D. Stevens Stanford University Email:hdsteven@sun-valley.stanford.edu Aerospace Robotics Laboratory Phone: (415) 725-3293 (Lab) Durand Building (415) 722-3296 (Bullpen) Stanford, CA 94305 Fax: (415) 725-3377 " 517,4,"From: khc@marantz.Corp.Sun.COM (Kelly Chang) Subject: Mac II SCSI & PMMU socket question Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: khc@marantz.Corp.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: marantz.corp.sun.com ===== This is a posting for my friend who does not have USENET access ======== ===== Please contact him (not me) directly, thank you ======================== 1. The Mac II is supposed to have a socket for the MC68851 PMMU chip. Could anyone let me know where that socket is on the motherboard. I have obtained a PMMU chip (16 Mhz) from a surplus store, and would like to install it onto my Mac II (circa 1987). But I cannot see the socket myself when I tried to install it. 2. Could anyone send me the pinouts for the Mac II SCSI DB-25 interface? Thank you. Contact: David Chan, bzone@attmail.com " 518,7,"From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? Organization: BNR Europe Ltd. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: boyle@bbsls23.bnr NNTP-Posting-Host: bbsls23.bnr.co.uk > And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of > a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating > life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has > a 120 MPH speedo... > What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized > by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what? 740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I believe the Beetle corners better. I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car. Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts. " 519,7,"From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King) Subject: RE: headlights problem Keywords: headlights Article-I.D.: tekgen.2407 Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 6 THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO RESPONDED TO MY POSTING. THE PROBLEM WITH MY TRUCK'S HEADLIGHTS LOW BEAM PROBLEM WAS A ""LOOSE WIRE CONNECTION"". IT WAS NOT THE ""FUSE"" AS A MINORITY OF YOU SUGGESTED. THANKS AGAIN. " 520,2,"From: mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu (Bret Mogilefsky) Subject: Re: Any good sound formats conversion program out there?? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu In article edd392h@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au (YWI. Li) writes: >Hi all, > >Does anyone know if there is a good sound formats conversion program out > >there??? (Like PaintshopPro for picture formats conversion) > >Please send me a copy of your reply!!! > >thanks a lot > >Bel > Hi... THe best sound conversion program I've ever seen is SoundTool, which is shareware from Germany. I found a copy somewhere in wuarchive.wustl.edu a long time ago, but I don't know offhand what directory it was under. It's GREAT at converting files of all types, including Mac, NExT, Sun, and various PC formats... It's also a great player and editor, with various special effects that put Windows' Sound Recorder to shame. It requires a driver for various sound cards... The only builtin one is for the pc speaker (and even that sounds pretty good), but if you're just using it to convert things, you can convert them in SoundTool and then play them in Sound Recorder. Give it a try! Bret -- * ""Why, that's the second | mogul@soda.berkeley.edu * * biggest monkey head I've | mogul@ocf.berkeley.edu * * ever seen!"" -Guybrush | mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu * " 521,15,"From: rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) Subject: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Lines: 12 Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? -- --- Tim Rolfe rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu rolfe@junior.dsu.edu " 522,9,"From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) Subject: Quick easy question! Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 14 Here's an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball... What city do the California Angels play out of? -- Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" ----------------- ""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai " 523,6,"From: rogess@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Knight) Subject: 41M HD FORSALE OR TRADE Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 25 I have a 41M IDE HD forsale or trade. I would like to trade it if possible. HD - 41M - IDE Westren Digital - No errors or bad sectors - 13.8ms access time - 855 kilobytes per second transfer rate - working in my computer right now. LOOKING FOR IN A TRADE MAYBE - SEGA Genesis - a pair of Sub Woffers - Souround Sound Stereo/Reciever - ANY KIND OF ELECTORNIC EQUIPMENT (IF YOU HAVE ELECTORINIC EQUIPMENT I LIKE ALMOST ANY KIND OF COMPUTRER, CAR, OR HOME EQUIPMENT, -- IF YOU WANT TO MAKE AN OFFER ON A TRADE LET ME KNOW. --CD PLAYER ..ect) Please if you are interested in a trade let me know. email ------ rogess@sage.cc.purdue.edu - " 524,12,"From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 21 crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the >same electrical circuit if I hooked a jumper from the neutral >over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. >What's wrong with my reasoning here? May I respectfully suggest you NOT do this?? The ground is supposed to be a protective ground, and though what you suggest looks good on paper, it's dangerous to rely on the same wire for power and protection. It'd never meet code, and if you now own the property and later sell it, you may end up with liabilities you don't want, and if you _don't_ now own it, well... There's a ""wiring"" FAQ that I think addresses this. I believe an alternative is use of a GFCI, but I'm really not sure what current code allows in this area. The GFCI senses alternate (unwanted) current paths, and doesn't rely on a specific protective ground wire, at least not beyond the GFCI in the protected circuit. GFCI breakers are available (but expensive). " 525,15,"From: coffey@cptc2.neep.wisc.edu (Robert L. Coffey) Subject: Re: Questions... Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin,Madison., NEEP Department Lines: 35 >4. Who exactly is ""The Lord""? ""God"" or Jesus Christ? John 1:1 says (NKJV - the little green gideon someone forced on me one day) ""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."" The Word refers to Jesus Christ so from this John declares that God and Jesus are one. Therefore, ""The Lord"" refers to both. Also, David in the Psalms refers to both God in heaven and the coming messiah as his Lord. Once again this refers to God and Jesus. >5. What is the definition of a ""Truly religious"" person? Should he/she not swear/curse? Does it say anything about this in the bible? Some of the most ""truly religious"" people I've known have not been Christians and some of the greatest Christians I've known have been truly irreligious. However, to answer your question: The bible speaks of this in many places, A previous post to James is a good one. Another is Psalm 15: ""Lord, who may abide in your tabernacle? Who may dwell in your holy hill? He who walks uprightly, and works righteousness, and speaks the truth in his heart He who does not backbite with his tongue, nor does evil to his neighbor, nor does he take up a reproach against his friend; I whose eyes a vile person is despised, but he honors those who fear the Lord; he who swears to his own hurt and does not change; He who does not put out money at usury, nor does he take a bribe aginst the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved."" ------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Coffey ""Indeed the safest road to coffey@cptc1.neep.wisc.edu Hell is the gradual one- the (if you send mail to cptc2 gentle slope, soft underfoot, I'll never read it) without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts."" -- Screwtape ------------------------------------------------------------ The day Techwood meets the wrecking ball the world shall rejoice. But I'll have lost a former home. " 526,2,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Re: Help with changing Startup logo Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Distribution: usa Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <1rgtba$gtn@access.digex.net> farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) writes: > > I know this is probably a FAQ, but... > > I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows > logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of > the 3.1 logo. > > I thought the files that controlled this were > > \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE > \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO > > I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what > the correct files are? > > Thanks. > Somewhere (ftp.cica.indiana.edu or SIMTEL20 mirror) there is a program called winlogo.zip that does the trick. It works great. I believe the reason why you can't change the files you mentioned is that the logo is actually imbeded into the windows executable (Somebody please correct/expand on this) -Eric > > -- > farley@access.digex.com > Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 " 527,5,"From: dan@tremor.think.com (Dan Aronson) Subject: drawing an abstract graph Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 9 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: tremor.quake.think.com I am looking for software to draw a graph. I want to just give it a list of nodes and edges between the nodes and have the program come up with some reasonable positioning of it. Thanks in advance. --Dan Aronson dan@think.com Thinking Machines Corporation " 528,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 67 In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> >In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: henrik] My response to the ""shooting down"" of a Turkish airplane over the henrik] Armenian air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the henrik] person from your Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to henrik] drag ARMENIA into the KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The henrik] KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are henrik] the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY henrik] for INOCENT people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and henrik] othe Russian aircraft. henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL henrik] NEVER OCCUR again. DA] Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian DA] soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. Well, this is your opinion ! Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However, I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses. DA] You might wish to read more about whether or not it is Azeri aggression DA] only in that region. It seems to me that the Armenians are better DA] organized, have more success militarily and shell Azeri towns DA] repeatedly. Read what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian articles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit around and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS. DA] It seems to me that the Armenians are better organized, have more success DA] militarily and shell Azeri towns repeatedly. Buch of non-sence CRAP and you know it. Who the hell you think you are talking to ? Azeris are FIGHTING LOCAL ARMENIANS in Nagarno-Karabakh. You tell me who has more MIG's ? Freedom fighters in Nagarno-Karabakh or Azerbaijan ? Again, I will say it for the last time, ARMENIA is NOT involved in this WAR and you guys WANT to bring this up in order to cover up the Turkish involvment in the Karabakh. Go ahead , REPEAT as much as you want. DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to DA] intervene, and it did. Perhaps the intervention was not supposed to DA] last for so long, but the constant refusal of the Greek governments both DA] on the island and in Greece to deal with reality is also to be blamed DA] for the ongoing standoff in the region. Not a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that your GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS. DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it. DA] After all, it is now free. Well, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you. " 529,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 16 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >I understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it >is its right to annex it. I can't fully understand why it has >to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated >before the holocaust (the Final Solution) by Hitler. What I >totally don't get is why the U.S. has to subsidize the >existance of such a thorough abuser of human rights. > Just wondering Seems that you're more ""just misinformed"" than ""just wondering."" The comparison you're making is not just totally off base, but offensive to all sane people. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 530,4,"From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Quadra 900/950 differences Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 43 jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes: >jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes: >>> I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up >>>some floating point calculations. >>>-- >>>Robert D. Klapper >>>Washington University in St. Louis >>>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu >>>Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. >>Does someone have any definite information on this. This is the >>first I've heard of it. How does the CPU get fixed by a hardware >>upgrade? This doesn't make much sense to me. >Let's see now... The differences between the 950 and 900 are >basically: > 1. Runs at 33MHz, not 25MHz > 2. Has 25MHz I/O bus, not 16MHz > 3. Upgraded Graphics controller > 4. #3 results in Q950 requiring 80ns VRAM, not 100ns > 5. ROM fixes: > a. rounding errors in floating point calculations > at 15th digit So patch the ROMs with the latest OS version. I don't see how this is a problem. > b. Ethernet problems with more than 16 buffers >So, no doubt, the person was refering to 5a, hardly ""screwing >up"" though :) >-- > Jim Jagielski | ""And he's gonna stiff me. So I say, > jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something, > NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"" > Greenbelt, MD 20771 | " 531,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 15 In article <1qmr5qINN5af@early-bird.think.com> shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: >The Litani river flows in a west-southwestern direction and indeed does >not run through the buffer zone. The Hasbani does flow into the Jordan >but contrary to what our imaginative poster might write, there has been >no increase in the inflow from this river that is not proportional to >climatic changes in rainfall. What did you have to go and bring THAT up for? Now they're going to say that Israel is stealing the RAIN, too.... -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 532,9,"Subject: Let it be Known From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 10 I would like to make everyone aware that in winning the NL West the Atlanta Braves did not lead wire-to-wire. Through games of 4/14/93 the Houston Astros are percentage points ahead of the ""unbeatable"" Braves. Go Astros!!!!! Byron T. Lee A Native Texan Stuck in Utah " 533,6,"From: suresh@pa.dec.com (Suresh Balasubramanian) Subject: *****Twin Size Mattress/BoxSprng/Frame for SALE $75***** Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 29 Distribution: ba NNTP-Posting-Host: tmax4.pa.dec.com !-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*! Twin Size - Mattress, Box Spring and Frame for SALE. ** Medico-Pedic [type of mattress?] ** Excellent condition ** 2 yrs old ** Well maintained -- You come and pick it up, stuff is located in PaloAlto Asking for: $75 Contact: Suresh (415)-617-3522 [W] (415)-324-9553 [H] E-Mail: suresh@pa.dec.com !-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*! -- o o o o o o o . . . ______________________________ _____=======_||____ o _____ ||Suresh Balasubramanian | |suresh@pa.dec.com| .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ |Digital Equipment Corp. | | (415) 617-3522 | >(________|__|_[_________]_|____________________________|_|_________________| " 534,4,"From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji) Subject: HELP PLEASE - Hand Scanner Problem Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 29 IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAERE TYPIST PLUS GRAPHICS HAND SCANNER, PLEASE READ ON AND SAVE MY LIFE......... My problem is that my Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not connect to my PowerBook 160. The cable from the scanner will not fit the SCSI port of the computer. I managed to gaet a cabled assembled that adapted the cord to the computer. However, this placed the computer into SCSI mode, that is it acted as an external hard disk whenever i switched the computer on. I've asked an engineer in London to assemble a new Cable for me. But he's taken 14 weeks and has yet to find the solution, out of sheer laziness. And I know that a cable exists to solve the problem. If you know the solution. Please let me know what cable I need and how I can get hold of one. My E-Mail address is : zia@uk.ac.ed.castle I will be truely grateful for all your help. Thanking you in advance, Zia. " 535,9,From: chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov (Charles Cilek) Subject: How is slugging percentage computed? Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Subject line says it all. Thanks in advance. Please email chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov Go Cubs! 536,0,"From: bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Lines: 122 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thnext.mit.edu In article <1993Apr5.163738.2447@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes: [deleted] > > ... over on alt.atheism we tend to recognise two > categories of atheism. Function format due to mathew@mantis.co.uk, I think: > > (i) weak - not(believe(gods)) > > (ii) strong - believe(not(gods)) > [deleted] > > > > I ... am [a strong atheist], and I must quibble with your assertion > that the `strong' position requires faith. I believe that no god/s, > as commonly described by theists, exist. This belief is merely an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > opinion, formed on the basis of observation, including a certain ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > amount of introspection. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I fully accept that I could be wrong, and will be swayed by suitably > convincing evidence. Thus while I believe that no gods exist, this does ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > not imply *faith* on my part that it is so. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Let me first say that ""to believe that no gods exist"" is in fact different than ""not believing in a god or gods"". I will argue that your latter statement, ""I believe that no gods exist"" does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement that ""no gods exist"" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then (weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than saying I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the position, even after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires faith. But first let me say the following. We might have a language problem here - in regards to ""faith"" and ""existence"". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist. To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless to debate the so called ""existence"" of God - and that is not what I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of being. When you say that ""god does not exist"", I also accept this statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However, in what follows I will use the phrase ""the existence of God"" in it's 'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it. I would like a clarification upon what you mean by ""the existence of God"". We also might differ upon what it means to have faith. Here is what Webster says: faith 1a: allegiance to duty or a person: LOYALTY b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions 2a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (2): complete trust 3: something that is believed esp. with strong conviction; esp: a system ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ of religious beliefs syn see BELIEF One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion ""based upon observation"", I will have to ask ""what observtions are you refering to?"" There are NO observations - pro or con - that are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. All observations can only point you in a direction - a direction that we might even be predisposed to (by predisposed I mean, for example, people whoes partents ""believe in God"" also tend to). To actually draw a conclusion about the ""existence"" or ""non-existence"" of God requires a leap - and you have made this leap when you actively say ""I believe that God does/does not exist"". Personally, I think that both statements are misguided. Arguing over the ""existence"" of God is precisely the wrong way to find Him (and yes, I use ""Him"" because a personal God is the only viable concept (IMO) - if a person wants to use ""She"" go ahead. Of course God is neither He nor She - but we have no choice but to anthropomorphise. If you want me to explain myself further I'll be glad to.) And please, if someone does not agree with me - even if they violently disagree - it's in no ones advantage to start name calling. If a person thinks I've misunderstood something in the FAQs, or if they they think I have not read them well enough, just point out to me the error of my ways and I correct the situation. I'm interested in a polite and well thought out discussion. > Cheers > > Simon > -- > Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk > Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 > University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 > Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. -- bob singleton bobs@thnext.mit.edu " 537,4,"From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Subject: PLEEZE HELP ME BUY A MAC! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 16 Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Hey everybody: I want to buy a mac and I want to get a good price...who doesn't? So, could anyone out there who has found a really good deal on a Centris 650 send me the price. I don't want to know where, unless it is mail order or areound cleveland, Ohio. Also, should I buy now or wait for the Power PC. Thanks. BoB reply via post or e-mail at rrn@po.cwru.edu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Novitskey | ""Pursuing women is similar to banging one's head rrn@po.cwru.edu | against a wall...with less opportunity for reward"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 538,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 338 In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >In article , >sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... ... >>So are you happy now when 70+ people, including innocent kids, >>died today? It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other. One thing for sure: Koresh will have no chance to defend himself against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification) made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him. I don't know they murdered him; I also don't know that the Branch Davidians set a fire and suicidede. It is SICK of BATF or FBI spokepeople to make such comments in advance of forensic pathology. Stephen: thank you. God speed. >No. Kinda numb. I thought something like this was going to happen >over a week ago. One of the things that's been obvious from the Yah. >start is that when there are two armed camps, neither of which >yields, it's usually get slaughtered -- when any little spark >sets it off. > >Which is why Koresh and company shouldn't have stockpiled weapons, >and why the BATF shouldn't have come primed for a raid. BINGO. Am I the only one to notice: a) No peaceful attempt to serve a warrant. b) Six months to develop a scene and six days to end it? c) .... ah God: 25 children at least 64 adults plus 6 at the beginning and more BATF agents all dead. > >Painful point #1: > > If the Davidians fired first -- why were the BATF > on the roof -- rather than taking cover? Has anyone asked themselves these questions: 1) Have you seen the ENTIRE video sequences taken during the opening rounds? I seem to recall missing several key parts: a) The first five minutes of day one; only the shooting part comes out. b) What happened to the Feds video units? You mean they do not carry helmet cams? Wonder why not? 2) How is it you can have camera crews with live transmission video present and NOT have an uninterrupted record? a) You realize the units carry ittle bitty 8mm backups? That hold 90 minutes per unit? And there are twounits on the professional handhelds (so no tape turnover gaps)? b) Until all views are seen, it is premature to point fingers in either direction. As you well point out, Stephen. > > Anyone (BATF, BD, X-BD, Other) could have touched it off, > by mistake or maliciously? More on this below. > > Once Koresh was shot... (disregarding his being a religious > leader, and apocalyptically obsessed) most likely the people > inside just went on drill. Just like the BATF outside. > >Is the lesson that automatic responses are very hazardous last resort >measures? Yes. But it is so hard toremain human under the full pressure of hazard, game playing, and life. > > >Painful point #2: > > Either side could have backed off, to help defuse the > situation. We see the problem constantly here on the > net with flaming. > >Ego problems. Nuff said. More to the point: when someone dies (almost like it was intended that way), both sides will kill to maintain their innocence -- a contradiction in terms. > > >Painful point #3: > > It doesn't help to take sides in such a situation. Just > adds fuel to the fire. Better is to let it burn out on > it's own. True. Usually I pick the unpopular side and point out from the evidence seen what might have alternatively happened. > >Best example I can think of is Christ with the tax coin. He didn't >have one (and so didn't sanction the Roman authority unduly). When >they showed it to him, he noted that it was Caesar's minting, and >so said give it to him, (no waste of time). And then he got back to >more worthwhile concerns -- God's will. This requires someone interested in God's Will. Please note that the outstanding _overt_ problem in this country today is one where the Government: wants Caesar's coin to pay off the debt. > >The anti-tax movement of today, and the anti-ssan-as-i.d. groups, >would do well to note who the issuing authority is. Ditto for those Yes: The AMerican People. Not the Federal Government. ANd if it is not spent towards that end, _no_one_ deserves the coin. >made in the image of God. Yah. Fewpeople hear the contradiction: Money made in the image of God > >No need to stir things up in ever larger revo-revo-revolution, as >governments turn over, and over, and over. I wish you were wrong. Many pundits are saying 3 years. The onyl good thing to come out of my divorce (and my exposure to the Damned (pardon me) American Divorce Attorney is: I have no money left to lose to taxes or inflation. > > >painful point #4: > > For many, this was just entertainment. > > Thumbs-up. Thumbs-down. > > Just another thriller like ""Terminator 2,"" > or a good-old ball game. > >Is the lesson that we've become jaded to media reality? 25 children dead. If anyone thinks blaming Koresh -- or the BATF helps this any at all, is sick. and wrong. The reason you can tell that the BATF may not be entirely straight on this is that the leaders at press conferences havew made ANY comments about even the POSSIBILITY that Koresh or his followers caused this. The BATF agentss are more concerned with their repuations and morals (""not my fault, Koresh did it!"") than they are with: 25 dead children. Same goes for Koresh & his followers - who are all (mostly) dead. > > > >Painful point #5: > > LA burned. The Davidians burned. In one case society has > abandoned the people -- which has returned to a frontier. > In the other -- the outskirts were bumping against the > suburbs. > >Is the lesson that what's lawful in different areas of society, >depends more on conditions than laws? More on power and favoritism. (My personal opinion). Look to history: whenever privilege has replaced whatever token of objective law and justice a society has had, Hitlerrs have followed. > > >If we don't learn-the-lessons, or at least make an honest effort, >the next conflagration will no doubt be closer to home. > >Rather than putting out fires, aren't there much more important >concerns for us to work on?? You do your name sake proud, Stephen. Its hard, but please keep on keeping on: each voice in the wilderness now will save a generation unborn from horror > >>Kent >>....who can't 'cheers' today exactly. > >What keeps me from being a bomb-thrower is my loving God (as irra- >tional as that is for so many). One direct benefit is being able to >keep things in perspective, KS. The day I _need_ a gun or abomb to protect myself in this society is the day that society is already beyond redemption and that aint' redundant, if you have any Christian belief aytall. ... and the day that I cannot peacefully enjoin others in the act that Thoreau called Civil Disobedience to rectify the wrongs that my society practises, without undue harm or punishment befalling me, is the day that society has ceased to be a human society, and become a society of animals. We are _very_ cclose to that. > >Such as who hurts more -- the ones who died, or the loved ones who >are left? Besides the lessons. It's also time for many to grieve. >Including those who've lost their faith in others, or in God. > >I'm learning to be patient, and let things heal. God willing. Six years fighting an unjust COurt issue: still struggling to be patient. For those who like contrary questions: NB: I was not there. I am not a Branch Davidian nor a law official hater. I do hate liars or the six letter variety of same. The official side has its advocates already; lets balance the equation and asj a few questions on the other side, for the sake of an old saw the BATF abd FBI seem to want to bypass: innocent until proven guilty. not innocent until presumed guilty. 1) Where are the video tapes from the tanks? ALL of them. Don't tell me they do not exist. They are standard equipment. 2) So you think Koresh fired the place, because of the explosion? a) Tear gas comes with an aerosol to spread it. This aerosol is DELIBERATELY made to be as non-flammable as possible. It is as non-flammable as possible. .... gotcha! ... when in isolation from other substances. WHy was a pipe deliveryu system used rather than remote launchers? WHy did the FBI not announce ""this window, blown in plus tear gas, five minutes; then the wall come down"", and maintain a left to right sequence? b) Most aerosols also have a secondary compound, that when mixed in, becomes a VERY flammable (and difficult to trace) suspension, with a VERY special property: exposure to brief eruptions of high heat (muzzle blasts) or long exposure to low heat (matches, a stove) will NOT tend to ignite. What other chemicals come up in the forensics? Who else will be allowed to test the site? c) After a few minutes to hours (ifdesired, the combnation rate can be controlled as desired), the mixture can be made to become veryignitable onb exposure to a temperature above a certain point (a tracer round) for a certain heat quantity (a small explosive charge) or for a length of time (start a wall fire and wait). Check your military records; look at the tapes. Why were tanks (large capacity delivey systems), tear gas (why not somnorifics?), and now (why the hurry. was there still a comm channel open to the outside?). Do you see any trace of fire coming BACK to the compound in the videos? ALL the videos? Which ones are missing? Do I sound paranoid? Maybe. Am I? Probably not. You trust the FBI and BATF to render judgement? IN advance of a Court? God help us. (For we are surely not helping ourselves). You trut the Federal Gevernment to give us a clean slate? You are 4.3 trillion (admitted!) down and counting. Look again. Did it happen that way? I do not know. I was not there. AND IT SHOULD WAIT FOR A COURT TO DECIDE. But will that happen? 89 people will NOT have the chance to tell their side as the BATF leader was, on camera. No one wins. Except: more force next time. Listen to your hearts, people. Thanx again Stephen. > > | >-- J -- > | > | stephen > roy andrew crabtree roy: red haired king andrew: the virtuous one crabtree: iron workers, ... " 539,7,"From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Article-I.D.: uwm.1qkqdqINNjfk Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13 In article neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes: >[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] > >> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves >> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is >> imminent. >> >> Steve Heracleous > >You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you >go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good >job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from >me - those kids are mean. As a stong self-defense advocate, you're 'statement', does littel but irk me. Of course shooting someone because they throw a rock at your car is out of the question, but what if they disabled your car with their rock and then wanted to come kill/rape/rob/beat/ or otherwise harm you, your wife, kids? I think you would like the power to defend yourself in this situation, wouldn't you? Or is it that you value the lives of such rock throwers more than your own or those of your family? Don't think it couldn't happen to you. From the sounds of it here it has happened to a few people. Please do not misunderstand. The only justification for using deadly force on someone, is that if you don't, it will mean your own death or grave bodily harm. I am far far away from supporting vilante justice or anything like that.. Oh, and if you mean to be funny, please add the appropriate :-) Followups to talk.politics.guns please... we're getting a bit off track here.... ------- Steve Syck syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu -------- " 540,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: free moral agency Lines: 34 Organization: Walla Walla College Distribution: na Lines: 34 In article <11810@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) >Subject: Re: free moral agency >Date: 14 Apr 93 21:41:31 GMT >In article healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: >>> >>In the Old testement, Satan is RARELY mentioned, if at all. > > > Huh? Doesn't the SDA Bible contain the book of Job? > >>This is why there is suffering in the world, we are caught inthe crossfire. >>and sometimes, innocents as well as teh guilty get hurt. >>That's my opinion and I hope I cleared up a few things. >> > > Seems like your omnipotent and omniscient god has ""got some > 'splainin' to do"" then. Or did he just create Satan for shits and > giggles? > >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM > >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I didn't say it NEVER mentioned Satan, I said it RARELY, if at all. Please excuse me for my lack of perfect memory or omnipotence. Tammy P.S I'm soory if I sound cranky. I apoplogize now before anyone's feelings get hurt. " 541,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 13 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / Jason Kratz / 3:34 pm Apr 18, 1993 / >>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Listen buddy, if you're going to quote Star Trek get the quote right. It was >""Resistance is futile"". Get it right the next time :-) Sounds like a VOGON quote to me..... Perhaps YOU should READ more widely instead of watching that idiot box.... Rick. " 542,17,"From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes: > > Well, this is your opinion ! > Of course it is! > Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However, > I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if > KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses. > And this is your opinion. It is not any more valid due to repeated capital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc. > Read what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian > articles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive > Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit > around and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS. So Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have been aggressive in the past? I don't follow your logic. >DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to > > Not a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that > your GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS. I have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not give any reasons for Turkey's involvement. I also am not trying to convince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time.... >DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it. >DA] After all, it is now free. > > Well, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you. > > I am serious. Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace of mind? Deniz Akkus " 543,7,"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: Difference between Lexus 300 series? Article-I.D.: uwm.1pr5f8INN4om Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1993Apr5.200048.23421@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo): > What is the difference between the LS300, ES300 and GS300? Seems > Lexus can't stop popping out new models. --Let me put it like this. The only similarity between the three models is the ""300"", or 3-liter engine displacement. Actually, the SC300 (the coupe) and the GS300 (the funky-looking new sedan) share the same 3.0 liter inline-six, and the ES300 (popular small sedan) uses 3.0 V6 shared with the Camry. The SC300 is a luxury/sports coupe, the GS300 is the new luxury sedan, and the ES300 is the base executive sedan. All three look completely different. --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. " 544,9,From: ajpat@IASTATE.EDU (Amy J Patterson) Subject: Twins Games :) Reply-To: ajpat@IASTATE.EDU (Amy J Patterson) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 4 Does anyone know if the Twins games are broadcast in good ole Ames Iowa?????????????? Thanks all. 545,18,"From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans Nntp-Posting-Host: mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com Organization: Novell, Inc Lines: 23 In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) wrote: > > > Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans > > [deleted for a very good reason which I'm sure you can guess] > 0. Enact a law that bans people without a sense of humor from posting allegedly humorous items. If he did this, I think his approval rating would go through the roof! > Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists in your .sigs, folks! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mel Walker mwalker@novell.com All opinions expressed are of the author. Novell, Inc. is not responsible for the content of this article. " 546,10,"From: vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) Subject: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss Organization: Carleton University Lines: 28 As the subject suggests the Flames were not impressive this afternoon, dropping a 6-3 decision to the LA Kings. Most of the Flames neglected to show up, especially in their own zone, as the Kings hit at least five posts! The Flames best line was probably Skrudland-Paslawski-Berube (which tells how bad the Flames were). Gary Suter scored a great goal (in fact all three Flame goals were scored by D-men - Yawney and Dahlquist getting the others), but also made some bonehead plays. For the Kings, Pat Conacher was especially impressive. The games was VERY chippy, as Dan Mirouelli lost control early and never recovered it; there were high-sticks, cross-checks, punches, hits from behind. Fleury got a game misconduct for rubbing out Warren Rychel from behind. Flames dominated the game physically, but failed to take advantage due to horrendous defensive lapses (I don't think Vernon can be blamed for any of the goals). Calgary went with 7 D-men, as Roger Johansson played LW; he looked lost IMHO - I hope King inserts Chris Lindbergh, Paul Kruse, or Sergei Makarov for Wednesday's game. Gretzky left the game in the 2nd period with a charley-horse; no idea how serious - he didn't return. I still think the Flames should win this series, but they better buckle down. - Vlad the Impaler " 547,2,"Subject: roman.bmp 12/14 From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) Distribution: usa Organization: University of South Dakota Lines: 956 ------------ Part 12 of 14 ------------ MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>',<3$9@L+I:5'W]_?W]_?W]_?>GIZ*BJ[N[M>7EY>7EY>7@,#`P,#`P-> M`P,#`P->*BHJ*KN[N[M>`P,#`P->NRHJ*BIZ1PMF,8>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AS'$Q,1F""PL+I:6EI:6EI:5'1T='1T?? 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M>GHJN[N[NUY>7@,#`P,#`P,#`P.9F0,#`P,#`P,#F9F9/3T]TM+2TM+2TM+2 -------- End of part 12 of 14 -------- " 548,2,"From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) Subject: Re: AmiPro/Deskjet 500 Printing Problem Article-I.D.: vcd.C52wt5.F2 Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Tom Belmonte x4858 (tbelmont@feds55.prime.com) wrote: : : Hello, : : I recently tried to print some envelopes using AmiPro 3.0 with my : Deskjet 500 printer, and I seem to be having a problem. What : happens is after I physically load the envelope into the printer : (per the user manual) and then select the ""Print Envelope"" icon : from AmiPro (all of the proper options have been selected), the : printer just ""spits out"" the envelope without any printing of : either a return address or the selected mailing address. At : this point, the printer's ""ONLINE"" light begins to flash, and : the Print Manager shows the printer job as busy. This is all : that happens, until I either shut the printer off or cancel the : printing job from the Print Manager. I have also tried this : without the use of the Print Manager, with similar results : (AmiPro shows the printer as being busy). So, does anybody : have any idea/solution regarding this problem? I appreciate : the help. Thanks. Yes - ignore the manual. Just insert the evelope - don't use the keypad to move it up. The Windows driver sends a message to the printer that tells it to load the envelope - if it is already loaded, it gets ejected and the printer tries to load another. The instructions in the manual are for dumb DOS apps. that don't send the ""load envelople"" message. : : -- Tom Belmonte Bob Taylor HP Vancouver " 549,4,"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin) Subject: Mac IIsi Cache options Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Readers, I have found that the cache upgrade options for the Mac IIsi include the following: 1) AE QuickSilver 2) Daystar Fastcache IIsi 3) Daystar ComboCache IIsi 4) LogiCache IIsi 64k cache I'd be interested in hearing opinions on any or all of these options. The other alternative is to upgrade to a CPU accelerator such as the LogiCache 50 MHz. Ideas, comparisions? felix lin feilimau@leland.stanford.edu " 550,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 32 jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > Why would the Rushdie case be particularly legitimate? As I've said > elsewhere on this issue, Rushdie's actions had effects in Islamic > countries so that it is not so simple to say that he didn't commit > a crime in an Islamic country. Actually, it is simple. A person P has committed a crime C in country X if P was within the borders of X at the time when C was committed. It doesn't matter if the physical manifestation of C is outside X. For instance, if I hack into NASA's Ames Research Lab and delete all their files, I have committed a crime in the United Kingdom. If the US authorities wish to prosecute me under US law rather than UK law, they have no automatic right to do so. This is why the net authorities in the US tried to put pressure on some sites in Holland. Holland had no anti-cracking legislation, and so it was viewed as a ""hacker haven"" by some US system administrators. Similarly, a company called Red Hot Television is broadcasting pornographic material which can be received in Britain. If they were broadcasting in Britain, they would be committing a crime. But they are not, they are broadcasting from Denmark, so the British Government is powerless to do anything about it, in spite of the apparent law-breaking. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. More confusingly, I could be right in some countries but not in others... mathew " 551,14,"Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? From: Robert Coe Distribution: world Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA Lines: 23 jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: > >> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: > >> > >> April 1973 83 jupiter radii > >> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii > > > > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the > > 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. > > Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well? > > -- > Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. Hmmmm.... The prefix ""peri-"" is Greek, not Latin, so it's usually used with the Greek form of the name of the body being orbited. (That's why it's ""perihelion"" rather than ""perisol"", ""perigee"" rather than ""periterr"", and ""pericynthion"" rather than ""perilune"".) So for Jupiter I'd expect it to be something like ""perizeon"".) :^) ___ _ - Bob /__) _ / / ) _ _ (_/__) (_)_(_) (___(_)_(/_______________________________________ bob@1776.COM Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, Massachusetts 01776 ** 508-443-3265 " 552,6,"From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: son of genuine VINYL records 4SALE Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com Thank you ALL for requesting my list and thank you again if you purchased vinyl from me. LOTSA MORE VINYL LEFTOVER FOR SALE. VINYL looking for a new home. PLEASE BUY some (more) so I can STOP running this AD. Bunches of 12"" vinyl records for sale including a METAL ACETATE!!! NO not heavy metal music) BUT EM ALL and GET AMAZING DEAL... email me for BIG list and details. (Mass, USA) arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com " 553,6,"From: rclar@ctp.com (Richard Clark) Subject: 16' HobieCat Special Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners Distribution: us Lines: 9 For Sale: 1982 - 16' Hobie Cat Special, very good condition with trailer, catbox, righting system, many extras. Boat is currently garaged in Natick MA, 25 miles east of Boston. $1800. Contact rclar@ctp.com or call (617) 374-8217. " 554,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 78 In article <1993Apr16.000601.14223@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) writes: > >Hi, maybe someone can help me here... >I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now. So its an automatic? Don't know if US spec=CDN spec. for Maximas. >The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it. >A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi). >The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification >he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced >to meet the legal standards. (He said he will replace the components before >selling the car to me.) > >Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know >what this could mean... >Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items? >Or is this an indication that the car was abused? If it is the first set of brake pads on front, then this is fine. My car eats a set every 15k miles or so. The fact that he is replacing the muffler too is also ok. >Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon? The mileage is fairly low - but typical fwd stuff is CV joints. Check the maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve adjustments, timing belt changes and so on. The 60k mile service is often expensive, so make sure he has done everything. >The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but, >I don't know how to verify this... I've seen the paint chipped away >in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though. > Well, this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a car with highway miles. Might check the gas pedal wear too. Ask him how many sets of tires he has been through. A highway car might have squeezed by on 2 sets, a hard driven car 6-10 sets. >Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and >well kept, it's currently out of warranty >(a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km >worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for >any repair bills... Well, the Maxima should be pretty reliable - but if its out of warranty you should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first. Stuff for Japanese cars can be expensive. >But, I also need a car for 5 people... > >When will the new Maxima come out, by the way? 1995 model year, I believe. > >I would very much appreciate your input in this. >Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup. Craig >Thanks! > >Ryan > > > >======== >Ryan Kim >University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics rkim@eecg.toronto.edu >""Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."" > - from the new British Highway Code > (Toronto Star April 3, 1993) > " 555,1,"From: bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Andrew M. Bates) Subject: Renderman Shaders/Discussion? Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 12 Does anyone know of a site where I could ftp some RenderMan shaders? Or of a newsgroup which has discussion or information about RenderMan? I'm new to the RenderMan (Mac) family, and I'd like to get as much info I can lay my hands on. Thanks! Andy Bates. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Bates. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 556,1,"From: u122743@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw Subject: QUESTION: Video Projector Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C. Lines: 15 I am setting up a video-aid for a computer room for the teacher to share his display with the class. I have seen people using video projector, TV sets and large monitor to do presentations before. I am told that there are three ways to connect video projector: composite, Y/C & RGB. Can anyone explain to me the difference and their likely costs? Please reply to my INETNET E-mail account as well as posting in bulletin: u129008@sparc20.nuc.edu.tw I also like to know if there are TELNET or KERMIT for windows. Tim Chen " 557,2,"From: dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) Subject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: misvms.bpa.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr17.130528.2773@leland.Stanford.EDU>, shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) writes... > >I have an IBM and run Windows 3.1. A friend installed Norton Desktop For >Windows on top of this. It loads automatically when I type ""win"", and >surely adds to the (already dismally slow) process of starting up. > >I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! >Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? 1. Get the friend to uninstall it. 2. Read the manual (though from your post I infer that you are using pirated software.) 3. Go into SYS.INI and change the SHELL= line to read SHELL=PROGMAN.EXE =========================================================================== daniel david mittleman - danny@arizona.edu - (602) 621-2932 " 558,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 16 dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: >cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: ># Well said Mr. Beyer :) >He-he. The great humanist speaks. One has to read Mr. Salah's posters, >in which he decribes Jews as ""sons of pigs and monkeys"", keeps >promising the ""final battle"" between Muslims and Jews (in which the >stons and the trees will ""cry for the Muslims to come and kill the >Jews hiding behind them""), makes jokes about Jews dying from heart >attacks etc, to realize his objective stance on the matters involved. Humanist, or sub-humanist? :-) -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 559,14,"From: howard@sharps.astro.wisc.edu (Greg Howard) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: University of Wisconsin - Astronomy Department Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: uwast.astro.wisc.edu Actually, the ""ether"" stuff sounded a fair bit like a bizzare, qualitative corruption of general relativity. nothing to do with the old-fashioned, ether, though. maybe somebody could loan him a GR text at a low level. didn't get much further than that, tho.... whew. greg " 560,14,"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Lines: 15 In Greg Hennessy writes: >In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >#The better question should be. >#Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding >#to support these kind of ongoing science missions. > >Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will >changing them to a seperate agency help anything? > How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is able to accept donations to keep craft operational. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni " 561,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: dogs Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 35 In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: }Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, }we have *all* the advantages. I agree with this 100%. After all, when you grab under his chin and are careful to keep your hands away from his twisting head, what is he going to do -- tailwag you to death? I even had one occasion where I was unexpectedly jumped by a 130 lb. German Shepherd and grabbed his upper jaw in one hand and his lower jaw in the other. Now I'm holding his mouth open (no way is he strong enough to clamp down) and he can do nothing. HOWEVER, all this macho shit aside, the fact is that when you are riding a bike and a dog is arrowing to intercept, it may be unwise for you to stop and try to deal with the dog, for the simple fact that it might be through your leathers and working on your jeans before you can dismount and deal with it properly. By all means, if you do kick the dog or otherwise get its attention, STOP and STAY there. If you kick the dog and ride away, that is a victory for the dog -- it drove you out of its territory. It is not even a qualified victory, it is a victory. If you kick it and STOP, and sit there, 99% of dogs will say, ""Oh, shit! This guy's serious!"" and back off. Now you have established your dominance over the dog, and it probably will not bother you again. Llamas, however, are a different story. If you stop near a llama, it will just hop on and insist on a ride. And that's if you're lucky; if it doesn't like you it'll barf you off the bike and steal it! -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 562,5,"From: karenb@westford.ccur.com (Karen Bircsak) Subject: lost in (TekHVC color) space Article-I.D.: westford.1993Apr6.160748.3794 Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA Lines: 33 (please respond via email!) Has anybody actually seen the Tek color space stuff working? I'm not having any luck with either the xtici editor from export.lcs.mit.edu or with O'Reilly's ftp-able example xcms from ftp.uu.net. The O'Reilly example fails for almost every set of inputs because XcmsTekHVCQueryMaxV returns a smaller value than XcmsTekHVCQueryMinV does (which makes no sense to me). The xtici editor fails in XcmsStoreColors, apparently because the mathematical manipulations of the color specs results in invalid values. So you can't actually edit any colors. We have X11 R5 patch level 22; 8-bit pseudoColor visual. I've poked around in the xcms code in Xlib, but without some understanding of the theory I have no idea what's going wrong. Can somebody confirm if either of the above-mentioned programs work on their systems, or let me know if they fail for you too? Please include what hardware/software/patch levels you have. Any hints? Please respond with email as I don't regularly read this group. Thanks, Karen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bircsak Concurrent Computer Corporation karenb@westford.ccur.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 563,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 21 In article <1qnb9tINN7ff@rave.larc.nasa.gov> C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes: >> there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit > >Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that you just can >not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its >orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because >the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth >that does not provide a stable orbit around the Moon??? Any lunar satellite needs fuel to do regular orbit corrections, and when its fuel runs out it will crash within months. The orbits of the Apollo motherships changed noticeably during lunar missions lasting only a few days. It is *possible* that there are stable orbits here and there -- the Moon's gravitational field is poorly mapped -- but we know of none. Perturbations from Sun and Earth are relatively minor issues at low altitudes. The big problem is that the Moon's own gravitational field is quite lumpy due to the irregular distribution of mass within the Moon. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 564,4,"From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon) Subject: NuTek Email? Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH Lines: 9 Does NuTek (or anyone at NuTek) have an email address? If not, why not? =) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Good Things: Books by Robert Heinlein, Music by Enya, Computers by Apple, Humor by Dave Barry, Thursday nights on NBC, and Scotland. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scot Salmon (scot@jlc.mv.com) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 565,18,"Subject: Re: CBS NY Times Poll on Health Care Alternatives From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan NNTP-Posting-Host: tarkus.citi.umich.edu Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr6.175543.19590@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> Thought others on the net might be interested in a selection of findings |> from the New York Times/CBS News poll on national health care. I'll leave |> it to Doug Fierro to enter the entire article if he chooses. What follows |> is a selection of the findings. (Paraphrased without permission. Any |> errors are mine, not the Times. The NY Times doesn't make mistakes.) |> |> [poll results deleted] The economic and political ignorance of most Americans can be truly scary. Price controls and government intervention. The surest route to disaster. It's amazing, people never seem to learn from history (or common sense). Price controls do not, and cannot work. I would have thought our last experiment in the 70's would have been enough to dampen the belief that price controls can actually work. As for government intervention, people never seem to get the irony of what the are saying. We are told that entitlements are the biggest portion of the budget and they must be 'controlled'. We are presented with horror stories of waste and fraud in almost all government agencies. We are shown stories about the miserable treatment our veterans get in our government run hospitals. We are just now seeing stories about how Social Security isn't going to cut it in the future (as if that should come as any surprise). And yet, people choose to ignore all of that and believe in the fairy tale of the government coming to the rescue. Simply amazing. James W. Howe internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu University of Michigan uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943 " 566,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Clipper will corrupt cops (was WH proposal from Police point of view) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 65 In article <1993Apr21.041033.16550@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes: > The clear implication is that there are ""legal"" authorizations other > than a court order. Just how leaky are these? I don't have the wiretap statute handy. But here's what the law says on pen registers. This is all from Title 18 of the U.S. Code. Note how vague S. 3125(a)(1)(B) is.... I haven't had a chance to check out 50 U.S.C. 1801 yet. ---- 18 USC S. 3121 Pen Registers (as of 4/93) S. 3121. General prohibition on pen register and trap and trace device use; exception (a) In general. Except as provided in this section, no person may install or use a pen register or a trap and trace device without first obtaining a court order under section 3123 of this title or under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.). ..... S. 3125. Emergency pen register and trap and trace device installation (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter , any investigative or law enforcement officer, specially designated by the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, any Assistant Attorney General, any acting Assistant Attorney General, or any Deputy Assistant Attorney General, or by the principal prosecuting attorney of any State or subdivision thereof acting pursuant to a statute of that State, who reasonably determines that-- (1) an emergency situation exists that involves-- (A) immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury to any person; or (B) conspiratorial activities characteristic of organized crime, that requires the installation and use of a pen register or a trap and trace device before an order authorizing such installation and use can, with due diligence, be obtained, and (2) there are grounds upon which an order could be entered under this chapter to authorize such installation and use ""may have installed and use a pen register or trap and trace device if, within forty-eight hours after the installation has occurred, or begins to occur, an order approving the installation or use is issued in accordance with section 3123 of this title."" (b) In the absence of an authorizing order, such use shall immediately terminate when the information sought is obtained, when the application for the order is denied or when forty-eight hours have lapsed since the installation of the pen register or trap and trace device, whichever is earlier. (c) The knowing installation or use by any investigative or law enforcement officer of a pen register or trap and trace device pursuant to subsection (a) without application for the authorizing order within forty-eight hours of the installation shall constitute a violation of this chapter. " 567,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ? In-Reply-To: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU's message of Sun, 25 Apr 93 17:10:03 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: In article , hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: |> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: |> |> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? |> ------------------------------------ |> |> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they |> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and |> attempt to starve the Gazans. |> |> [...] |> |> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and |> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas |> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all |> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> these wnderful ""freedom fighters"" attain this ultimate goal. |> |> Maybe the ""freedom fighters"" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. |> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. |> |> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I |> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. |> |> Harry. O.K., its my turn: DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their plan ! (Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity since it was coined by Bnai Brith) What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media, is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants. However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice. As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind. Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the Jews used to establish their state : Religion. Ahmed. Forget the syntax, Ahmed, and focus on the semnatics. The fact is that the PLO does not recognize Israel's right to exist. This is perfectly obvious from the PLO covenant (Cairo, 1968). The covenant calls for the destruction of the ""Zionist entity"". As far as I know the Israel-destruction clauses still exist in the document which specifies the purpose for the existence of the PLO. If you would like, I can post the relevant caluses. Now the Hamas ideal is far more radical, it seems. I know it has been posted here several times, and while I do not have a copy of it, I am sure that someone does and he (or she, of course) would be more than happy to repost it. Regardless of phrasing, groups like Hamas, and the Hezbollah, and even the newly moderate and politically-correct PLO, have at the very heart of their ideologies the need for the destrcution of Israel. It just seems to me that Mr. Davidsson's suggestion that Jews support people envolved in these organizations is not a particularly appealing one to many Jews. Harry. " 568,15,"From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 45 news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: >Arrogance is arrogance. It is not the result of religion, it is the result >of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one's desire to show >others of one's rightness. I assume that God decided to be judge for our >sake as much as his own, if we allow him who is kind and merciful be the >judge, we'll probably be better off than if others judged us or we judged >ourselves. ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ 1 Cor 11:31-32 ""But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. When we are judged by the ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Lord, we are being discipled so that we will not be condemned with the world."" 1 Cor 5:3 ""Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present."" ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ 1 Cor 2:15-16 ""The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not ^^^^^^^^^ subject to any man's ^^^ judgement: 'For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the mind of Christ."" Jude :14-15 ""Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: 'See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to ^^^^ convict all the ungodly of ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.'"" Arrogance is a sin. Although a desire to show others of one's rightness may be a sign of arrogance in some cases, it may be only a sign that they are following the Bible in others: Jude :22-23 ""Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with ^^^^^^ fear -- hating ^^^^ even ^^^^ the clothing stained by corrupted flesh."" >If I find someone arrogant, I typically don't have anything to do with them. I hope you don't find me arrogant, then. This sounds like a bad practice -- ignoring what certain people say because you perceive them as arrogant. James 1:19 ""My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,"" - Aaron " 569,4,"From: d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Nntp-Posting-Host: eufrat.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 18 In ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >>But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips >>you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at >>200 MHz. >The only problem is going to be finding someone who can make a 200MHz >computer system. Could be tough. You can order one from Digital today. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- -- I don't fear death, it's dying that scares me. " 570,4,"From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) Subject: * What's the difference between a Mac Portable and Powerbook 100? Distribution: usa Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu I've been looking into getting a portable Mac to do some work and I've had my eye on the PB 100. Lately, I've been seeing people with the old portables, and they're selling for $300 LESS that the PB 100s. What I want to know is: what are the differences between them? All I know is that the Portable is heavier, but the PB100 doesn't have an internal drive. Here's what I NEED to know: Does the portable support Appletalk/network connections? What's the CPU inside a Portable? (68000?) DOES THE PORTABLE SUPPORT SYSTEM 7????????? What's the maximum memory capacity of the Portable? Can you still get RAM (meaning: does it use special SIMMS?) What kind of internal HD does it use? Does the Portable have a better screen? THANX in advance. ===============================Mike Gaines============================== = WHAT is your name? Captain Jean-Luc Picard = = WHAT is your quest? I seek the Holy Grail = = WHAT is the top velocity of a Bird of Prey? Romulan or Klingon? = = I....I don't know...AAAHHHH!!!! = =============================meg5184@hertz.njit.edu===================== Graphix@AOL.com " 571,16,From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: WACO: The Militia Assembles Keywords: We Salute Them Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 7 Dumb move. The smart move would be to sneak in someone with a TV camera and video transmitter. John Nagle 572,18,"From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: The Armory Lines: 68 In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com >(Steve Hendricks) writes: >>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> >>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>>... >>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> >>() To deter an epidemic of ""gay bashing"" that has not been deterred by >> assault laws. > >So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a >straight? Silly me, thinking that the issue was that we are all people, to be >treated equally. Thanks for straightening me out. ------------------------------ Wrong, if a bunch of faggots from the tenderloin decide to go straight bashing and they selectively target a heterosexual man and beat the bloody fuck out of him, they would get charged as well under all the federal laws that exist about violation of civils rights. The focus of their intent is his sexual orientation, and so the law applies to them as well. The national government retains the right to make any laws necessary to sufficiently deter and punish any crime against someone's civil rights until that behavior becomes so well punished that nobody even tries it! The fact is, that at last count, gays were not beating straights for their sexual orientation. Thus, the law is getting applied only to the straights who indulge themselves. The federal government or judiciary has the right to enforce the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under law even if it takes 1000 possible charges against people who would violate them. Go read your constitutional law. We broke the back of the KKK's harrassment campaign with the same strategy in the early 1900's. So many went to jail and for so long that it cut the heart out of the KKK. -RSW >>() No, it is not ""double jeopardy."" A single act may lead to multiple >> charges and multiple crimes. > >I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US >Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single >act should never merit more than on charge. That's almost like if four cops >got acquitted from cruel and unusual punishment charges, and the country went >and tried them again and again until they... oh.... never mind. ---------------------------------------- This ""mutation"" as you call it, protects your little butt too, if you happen to be somewhere where you're the wrong ""shade"" for somebody else's taste. If it can be shown that the motive for the assault on you was racially motivated, then the full power of these extra laws that bring more charges and punishments will come against those who harmed you. The first use of such laws was well over a hundred years ago, and constitutional scholars of all conviction recognize that this right reserved to the federal government is well established and not just some short-lived peculiarity, too! Go read some constitutional law for awhile. Maybe you'll get it. -RSW >Douglas C. Meier >dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu -------------------------- -- * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * " 573,5,"From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: I-NET Inc. Lines: 52 In article 1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE, markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes: |>In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes: |>|> |>|> In article , thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: |>|> |> >Hey guys! |>|> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname |>|> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only |>|> |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear |>|> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. |>|> |> >How can I do it? |>|> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support |>|> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your |>|> |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. |>|> |> |>|> |> if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then |>|> |> echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" |>|> |> endif |>|> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm. |>|> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ? |>|> Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they |>|> are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced, |>|> but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ? |>|> This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work |>|> on xterms. |>It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original |>question: |> |>I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop |>menu. Here is a sample command: |> |> xterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i & |> |>The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the |>tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following: |> |>I have an |> |> alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' |> |>in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time |>before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current |>directory path in the title bar of my xterms. Have you gotten an answer yet? Using your variables, this is what I would do: xterm -T ""$HOST - $LOGNAME"" -n ""$HOST"" --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov " 574,15,"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: Organization: HFSI Lines: 49 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >In article , luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: >> In article >> >> ""Suppose you were part of the `Christian consipracy' which was going to >> tell people that Christ had risen. Never mind the stoning, the being >> burned alive, the possible crucifixion ... let's just talk about a >> scourging. The whip that would be used would have broken pottery, metal, >No one was ever flogged, beaten, burned, fed to the lions, or killed in any >other way because of a belief in the resurrection - sorry to disappoint you. I think you are vastly oversimplifying things. We know that early Christians suffered totures because of their witness to Christ. For example: ACT 5:40 His speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. ACT 5:41 The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name. It appears that the Jewish rulers of that time had a particular aversion to even hearing Jesus's name. ACT 5:28 ""We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name,"" he said. ""Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man's blood."" Finally, the first apostle's death, James of Zebedee was certainly not by Rome's hand any more than the first martyr Stephen. >The idea of resurrection is one which can be found in a host of different >forms in the religions of antiquity. The problem was not the resurrection >which was a mediorce issue for a tiny fragment of the Jewish population The problem was that if one believed in the Resurrection, then one must believe in Jesus as truly being the Son of God and what He stood for and preached during His ministry on Earth. That would have been extremely difficult for some people, especially those that had plotted to kill Him. >randy -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 " 575,4,"From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com Subject: RACK MOUNT 2CI, 650 Prices. Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. Lines: 16 Here's a good one: Does anyone know of a product that allows me to RACK MOUNT my 2CI (or maybe 650 if I blow some more money...) ??? My application is music, and would like to be able to haul it around (would probably plan to get an MO drive or something so I don't have to depend on an internal fixed hard drive - i.e., may be pretty rough on an internal HD...) I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, if that matters. Also, anyone have any info on 650's and Midi? And, would anyone care to email me with the price they paid for their 650? Or if there's a price list FAQ, never mind... Just curious about the difference between the best retailers and the local university pricing... Thanks, Jeff Adams adams@upse01.mtv.gtegsc.com " 576,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr15.221049.14347 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 32 In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: >In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >>humor us. Thanks for your help. > >Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish >faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world >series games because of Yom Kippur) The other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted). Lowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the major leagues. Undeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish. Between Stone, Koufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the one who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach, that's quite a starting rotation. Moe Berg can catch. Harry Steinfeldt, the 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield. Is Stanky Jewish? Or is that just a ""Dave Cohen"" kinda misinterpretation? Whatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 577,5,"From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) Subject: X Device Driver for Bird Nntp-Posting-Host: raccoon.iss.nus.sg Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 16 Has anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ? __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ *************************************************************************** * Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * * Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * * Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * * National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * * Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * * Singapore 0511. * * *************************************************************************** " 578,9,"From: sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 120 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Summary: Lopez is better than current Brave catchers! Keywords: Solid != good >In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr5.151834.14257@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: I'm still catching up from Spring Break, but bear with me... >in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. We >certainly believe this kid is going to be very good some day, but >there is really no need to rush him, especially since we have a mega- >million dollar staff that is probably well served by a battery-mate >who is expereienced in game calling and pitcher handling. Lopez' >time will come. Let's give him some time in AAA. Javy Lopez has proven, over 1400+ AB in the minor leagues, that he is ready to play in the majors. He is *not* being rushed. Players who are clearly too good for AA and play behind stiffs at the major league level are wasting their time, and may actually have a court case against major league management for keeping them, at AAA. >No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very >ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22 > Unless Lopez is *me* defensively (I'm 5'7'', 165 and born to play second base :-)), he belongs in the major leagues. >>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full >>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove >>his worth? > >Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good >as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather >than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM... Valentine isn't saying he should back up. He's saying he should be put in a position to *win* the job in the major leagues, which, IMHO, he would if given the opportunity. (Val, if I'm misinterpreting, please let me know.) >>So far you have come up with two arguments against Lopez: >>1) He is very ordinary defensively. >>2) He is young, and most players suck when they are young. > >>The first is irrelevant. He's trying to make the majors with his bat. >>And the second involves seriously warped reasoning. >> >>-Valentine >OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 (see current >related posting on Clayton, one of my favorites). Most players >benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA. >Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their >clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the >Braves for this year. But the players who *are* ready are 1)the best and 2) the ones most likely to benefit from being in the majors. Javy Lopez is not a middle- of-the-road prospect. He's the real thing. NOW. Again, the most important thing a player can do is hit. Lopez does that miles better than Olson or Berryhill. If his defense is good enough for Greenville, or Richmond, it's good enough for Atlanta. If he really was awful defensively, he would no longer be a catcher. See Sprague, Ed. >Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid >abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out >runners. Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans. >The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the >outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate >at third and one of the better hitting shortstops. The center >field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez' >what they have to offset the differential in experience and >defensive ability. The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, and >he probably won't being a reserve with the big club. Oh, where to start... OK. First of all, solid != good. I want good players. Solid is one of those words used to describe nice white guys who really aren't very good at baseball. Think of it as ""TWG"" without the caps. It's a losing strategy to say, ""We have solid guys, we don't need to improve."" You used it four times in that paragraph, BTW. Same for experienced. I might add, though, that Greg Olson and Damon Berryhill aren't exactly Carter and Fisk. Olson has played three years, Berryhill five, although 90 and 91 were a wash. The only difference, IMHO, between Olson and Valle is the supporting cast. ""Two big bats."" Hrm. I like Justice, but I find Mr. Gant's trend disturbing. Call it one and a maybe. The Braves' platoon is OK, but neither player has *any* value outside of the platoon. Bream vs. LH and Hunter vs. RH are awful. I'll leave the thirdbase comment alone. Pendleton has wasted too much bandwidth already. If the CF platoon hits .300, I'll retrace Mr. Likhani's midnight run down Forbes, and I live in NY and LA. (Got that, Mike?) And doesn't Cox call pitches, anyway? >goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez >is being held down because of his future earning potential? >Why on earth do you people thinkthe Braves made this decision? >Are they idiots who have built this ballclub? Jeeeesh... Nope. They're baseball management, possible the most short-sighted collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on, Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in 1990? Or Cal Eldred wasn't *really* better than Ricky Bones last year? >And *I'm* the treasure... You're mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b. We'll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-) >-- The Beastmaster >Mark Singer >mss@netcom.com -- sheehan@aludra.usc.edu ""...Greg Gohr, pitching more like Voice: 213 743 0456 Tipper Gore, I'm afraid...""-- Linda Cohn, SportsCenter 4/8/93 " 579,13,"From: vgwlu@dunsell.calgary.chevron.com (greg w. luft) Subject: Relief of Pain Caused by Cancer Organization: chevron Lines: 51 I am not sure if this is the proper group to post this to but here goes anyway. About five years ago my mother was diagnosed with having cancer in the lymph nodes under one of her arms. After the doctors removed the cancerous area she had full movement of her arm with only slight aching under her arm when she moved it. Over the course of the next two years the aching got more severe and her complaining to the doctors produced the explanation that it was scar tissue causing the pain. At this time her doctor suggested that some physiotherapy should be employed to break up the scar tissue. While attending one of her therapy sessions, while her arm was being manipulated, some damage occured (nerve?) which caused the level of pain to permanently increase severly (controlled by Tylenol 3s) and some loss of use of the arm ( palsied wrist and almost no outward lateral movement). With great persistence on her part the doctors looked further into the issue and discovered that not all of the cancer had been removed and another tumor had grown under the arm. This was removed also but the pain in the arm has not decreased. The doctors are not sure exactly why the pain is persisting but feel some sort of nerve damage has occured and they have employed Tylenol 3 and soon Morphine to relieve the pain. She has tried acupuncture by this only provides minor reductions in pain and is only short term. My questions are: Has anyone has heard of similar cases and what, if anything, was done to reduce the levels of pain? Are their methods to block nerves so that the pain can be reduced? Are their methods to restore nerves so that loss of arm function can be restored? Any general suggestions on pain reduction would be greatly appreciated. Please respond by email because I do not always get chance to read this group. If anyone knows of some literature that may be useful to this case or another newsgroup that I should be posting this to it would also be appreciated. -- Gregory W. Luft Internet: vgwlu@calgary.chevron.com Chevron Petroleum Techonology Company Tel: (403) 234-6238 500, Fifth Ave. S.W. Fax: (403) 234-5215 Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2P 0L7 " 580,4,"From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) Subject: Replacing internal FDHD w/ floptical? Organization: the Syllabub Sea Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hi all, I have a IIsi with a floppy drive that might be bad (and might just be out of alignment, I haven't checked yet. :-)) If the drive is not easily reparable, I'd like to replace it with an _internal_ floptical. Can this be easily done? Can it be done at all? I'm assuming that floptical drives can read and write both 800k and 1.4k floppies. If this is not in fact true, please tell me. Thanks in advance, ~ Kiran " 581,18,"From: dyoung@ecst.csuchico.edu (Douglas Young) Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] Distribution: na Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: grotus.ecst.csuchico.edu In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >In article <612@vega.iii.com> rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russ) writes: > >In article phil@netcom.com (Phil > >Ronzone) writes: > > > >>Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the > >>Religious Left. > >> > >Not at all. I am not a member of the Religious Left, Right, > >or even Center. In fact I don't consider myself very > >religious at all [ this will probably result in flames now :) > >]. In fact Phil, you should leave religion out of it. It just > >clouds the issue. > >The religous left worships trees, rivers, the planet, and hates people. And the religious right worships engines, smokestacks, landfills, and hates people. What does this name-calling have to do with anything you are claiming about the truth of environmental disaster? Nothing that I have read in this thread, nor heard from anyone I have talked to, would suggest to me that people fit the definition you give of the religious left. Come off it, Phil. A prime motivation for protecting our environment is so that we, people, can continue to live in it healthily. We just disagree on what is necessary to maintaining a healthy environment FOR PEOPLE. > >>Show me all these environmental ""disasters"". Most of them > >>aren't. And the natural disasters we have had individually > >>far outweigh the man-made ones. [Russ's response deleted to save space] >I guess you missed the newspaper articles this week about Exxon presenting >evidnce (through the ASTM) on the issue of the Valdez incident. Seems >that Valdez is mostly recovered, despite the Religious Left's cries of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >""hundreds of years"". What!? They have already repaired that old hulk!!!? WOW!!! ;-) I suppose you *mean* the Alaskan shores that were devastated by the Valdez accident? I haven't seen the articles. What do they say exactly? Has [mostly] all the ocean and shore life returned? The sands are [mostly] as clean as they were before? The microbial samples are [mostly] back to a normal balance? The fish and fowl populations have [mostly] returned? What? >Then again, the Relgious Left claimed it would take 20 yearsb to put out >the Kuwait oil fires... [...] > You should face the facts. Love Canal >was not, and is not, an environmental disaster, nor even a problem. > >Nor is Times Beach and TMI and acid rain killing trees and .... Not a problem? Would you move to Three Mile Island? I would imagine there is some cheap property available! The naturally occurring catastrophic events [disasters] that destroy property (ie: hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes) do not usually leave toxic wastes that prevent people from re-building their lives there. The man-made disasters (oil spills, toxic dumping, radioactive waste dispersions) cause death and make an area unliveable far beyond the initial event. >-- >There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of >environmental disaster. Weird, eh? > >These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) -- ---)---------- ----------(--- Douglas Young (dyoung@ecst.csuchico.edu) I don't know why, but I seem to expect a serious discussion on the net. ---)---------- ----------(--- " 582,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 58 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > > [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the > ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on > the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] Was THAT your argument. Well, you didn't make it very well. You started from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of insanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident. Recall, one survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene lamp. Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no? > >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off > >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh > >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. > >> These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of > >> his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar > >> to the way Jim Jones has been described. > > > >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance? > >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15. > > I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. ""Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail."" Let me ask it more plainly. Which of the above complaints about David Koresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms? > >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set > >> >:by cult members. > >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, > >> will you believe them? > >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else > >who doesn't know them personally. > Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? It's not entirely far-fetched. Nobody outside the compound would know EVERYBODY inside the compound. Don't forget, the BATF admits having agents inside the compound, in any case. > At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. > Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no > good if you believe in eternal darkness. I'm simply being the devil's advocate. There's reasonable doubt by the boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official government story on Waco. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 583,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr22.184650.4833@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >isn't my real name, either. I'm actually Elvis. Or maybe a lemur; I >sometimes have difficulty telling which is which. definitely a lemur. Elvis couldn't spell, just listen to any of his songs. pat " 584,11,"Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com> <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 24 In <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: >In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, >but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes >sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is >classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is >_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you >are then not allowed to read your own paper. This has now been thrown out by the courts. (The ""Progressive"" case.) >A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are >about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you >broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge >is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would >be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. This is outright illegal. It DOES violate the first amendment. If you would, give a case in which your ""speed trap"" example has been upheld by the courts. -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. " 585,1,"From: aron@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Aron Bonar) Subject: Re: Photoshop for Windows Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tikal.ced.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr22.011720.28958@midway.uchicago.edu>, dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (David Farley) writes: |> In article beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) writes: |> > |> > |> >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop |> >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there |> >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? |> > |> >Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. |> > |> >Thank you. |> > |> >Andre Boisvert |> >beaver@rot.qc.ca |> > |> An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info |> World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower |> than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler |> and PhotoShop for Windows. David |> I don't know about that...I've used Photoshop 2.5 on both a 486dx-50 and a Quadra 950...I'd say they are roughly equal. If anything the 486 was faster. Both systems were running in 24 bit color and had the same amount of RAM (16 megs) I also believe the quadra had one of those photoshop accelerators. " 586,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: BMW battery Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 31 Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled: : In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: : >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive, : >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns : >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. : What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know : numerous people that are still using the original battery in there : 8-10 year old beemers. Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in. She's OK -- Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 587,1,"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr20.143434.5069@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: >In <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: > >>Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company >>that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took >>hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, >>so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. > >So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. >The article didn't say anything about copyrights. (1) No explicit (c) is necessary. If it the image is attributed to the Geosphere Company, then there is a likelihood permission is has been given to reprint. (2) Unlikely that the owner can or will go after individuals. However, ""interesting"" images do make their way into ads and computer demos. That is when a pirate might get some flak. This image is considered so ""interesting"" that many people would like to use it whenever some global map is needed, so there is lots of temptation. (3) One mail person said since the source data- satellite imagery- is not copyrighted, then the derived image can't be. Not true. A new, distinctive, creative expression of the data can be protected. This image is certainly fits such, since NO ONE ELSE has taken the tremendous effort to re-create it themselves. Precedent is a recent telephone book court case. Ma Bell tried to copyright the data in their books and prevent competitors from copying it (there are trick entries in the book). But the court only permitted copyright of the expression of the data, and not the data themselves. (You cant xerox and sell the telephone book.) (4) There will be more attention to digital copyrights in the future and computer becomes a mass product and moguls such as Bill Gates are currently hoarding the digital copyrights. (5) I'd prefer that Geosphere put this data in the public domain because it is very interesting to me and others, but that's the way things are. " 588,2,"From: jls@atglab.atg.com (Jerome Schneider) Reply-To: jls@atg.com Distribution: world Subject: Re: Out of environment space running BAT files from Windows Organization: Aspen Technology Group X-Mailer: UUPC/bsnews 2.1 modified Lines: 42 >I have a .BAT file that I run under a Windows Icon. I have set up a PIF >file to run the BAT file in exclusive mode and to use the entire screen. >The first line of the BAT file sets an environment variable. > >My problem is that on some of our machines (running MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows >3.1 in enhanced mode), the SET command in the BAT file fails with the >OUT OF ENVIRONMENT SPACE error. I have raised the amount of environment >space to 2048 bytes using the SHELL command in CONFIG.SYS so I know that >I am nowhere near to running out. (From the Windows Resource Toolkit (for Win4Workgroups)), add an entry to your ""system.ini"" file under the [NonWindowsApp] section: CommandEnvSize=NNNN ""This sets the COMMAND.COM env size, where NNNN must either be 0 or between 160 and 32768. A value of 0 disables the setting. If this value is too small or too big, it is rounded up to 160 or down to 32768. If the value is less than the current size of the actual environment, this setting is disabled, as if it were 0. If you specify the environment size in a PIF file for COMMAND.COM, the PIF setting overrides this setting. The default is 0 with MSDOS versions earlier than 3.2. Otherwise, the default value is the /e: option in the SHELL= command in CONFIG.SYS. To set this value, you must edit your SYSTEM.INI [and reboot]."" I have used this entry, as well as relied on the default /e: from the CONFIG.SYS shell= line, and both give larger environments. If you don't use one of these, then the environment passed by windows to each new DOS box is just a little bit bigger than the environment _variables_ present when windows was started. (No matter how big the DOS env was, when windows starts, it truncates all unused space except for a few bytes.) This should allow your batch file to run, but your mileage may vary. -- Jerome (Jerry) Schneider Domain: jls@atg.COM Aspen Technology Group UUCP: {uunet}!csn!atglab!jls PO Box 673, Ft. Collins, CO 80522 Voice: (303) 484-1488 " 589,12,From: rich1@netcom.com (Richard Soennichsen) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 1 The Bmw speedo is triggered by a reed switch\magnet assembly in the differential. I would think that this signal would be easy to reproduce. 590,19,"From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Someone posted a list of x number of alleged Bible contradictions. As Joslin said, most people do value quantity over quality. Dave Butler posted some good quality alleged contradictions that are taking a long time to properly exegete. If you want a good list (quantity) - _When Critics Ask, A Popular Handbook On Bible Difficulties_ by Dr. Norman Geisler deals with over 800 alleged contradictions. Frank -- ""If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out of a thousand."" JOB 9:3 " 591,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek (Better Ideas) Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.154449.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1rbp6q$oai@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > In article <1993Apr22.214735.22733@Princeton.EDU> phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes: >>A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually >>it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would >>have expected a more visible/meaningful role. > > > Christian Slater, only gota cameo on ST6, > > and besides. > > Maybe she can't act:-) > > pat > Better idea for use of NASA Shuttle Astronauts and Crew is have them be found lost in space after a accident with a worm hole or other space/time glitch.. Maybe age Jemison a few years (makeup and such) and have her as the only survivour of a failed shuttle mission that got lost.. Heh of late, they way they have been having shuttle problems in the media, anything can happen.. Imagine a Astronaut/Crew member to find themselves in the 24th Century as the object of interest of an alien civilization, maybe rescued or helped by the ST Enterprise... I know Vegr and such was okay, but this could be better.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 592,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total? Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks I think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be ""classes"" such as the following: Large Corp. Small Corp/Company (based on reported earnings?) Large Government (GNP and such) Small Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?) Large Organization (Planetary Society? and such?) Small Organization (Alot of small orgs..) The organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ?? Of course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ?? Basically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class winners.. More fair? There would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events, umpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want to risk thier own lives let them do it?). Any other ideas?? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 593,7,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: na Lines: 21 In <1993Apr15.040118.29272@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >>In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >>> >>>How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the >>>trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? >> >>Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, >>named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I >>personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit >>(and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful >>cars ever built, IMHO. I'd go for a '39 Lincoln Continental if I could find one. Sad part is that Edsel Ford designed it, and look at the abortion they named after him. Ain't no justice. >Okay, I'll admit it looks nice on the T-Bird (as a previous owner >of 1967 and 1968 Thunderbirds, I'm biased anyway). " 594,11,"From: ""Douglas Johnson"" Subject: Unix crypt for DOS Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Class Technology Corporation X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4) Lines: 4 I've recently moved from Unix to a DOS box and have a number of files that I used crypt to ""protect"". Does anyone know of a DOS version of crypt? I've found one, but it insists on six letter keys and I used some shorter ones. Thanks for your help. -- Doug " 595,10,"From: macro@cup.hp.com (Patrick MacRoberts) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL In-Reply-To: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 14:20:37 GMT Lines: 25 <1993Apr6.142037.9246@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcobr30.cup.hp.com Organization: Nazi Right-Wing Parenting Monthly %>I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he %>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that %>Euro-blooded boy back!!! % % Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America % as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his % North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. Don't you Canadians understand sarcasm? Sometimes the reader must decide that what he's reading is so ludicrous that it must mean the opposite of what it said... Kinda like the ""Toronto's going to win the Cup"" posts. Yeah. Right. And cows can fly... Geez, Gerald. Like anyone reading rec.flamefest.hockey.pens.are.great didn't know that Le-Mow was from Quebec. -Patrick " 596,4,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Power Supplies for Mac 512's Summary: I need them Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 I thnik i'll be able to pick up a piar of Mac 512K's for nothing, but their power supplies are dead. Anyone know where I can pick up a pair of refurbished PS's for cheap (preferably mail order). Yes, I do have uses planned fior them. One will be sold to a friend who just needs a terminal to connect via modem to his e-mail account. The other will be used by me as a net client to run my downloads and/or printing. Also, what is the latest system software usable with these suckers? " 597,4,"From: ah301@yfn.ysu.edu (Jerry Sy) Subject: how to boot from ext HD on power on ? Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 12 Reply-To: ah301@yfn.ysu.edu (Jerry Sy) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu I have an external hard drive I wish to use as startup disk. problem is, when I switch on the mac, it boots on the internal HD, but when I restart (warm boot) the mac, it boots from the external. how do I make it boot directly from the external ? please email replies if possible. thanks in advance. jerry " 598,9,"From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi) Subject: When does Fred McGriff of the Padres become a free agent? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 1 " 599,4,"From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Nntp-Posting-Host: me.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; >in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh >Software"" loop (whatever that means). I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't format/mount/partition for A/UX. -- -- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu) -- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949 " 600,5,"From: hgn@pmw1.nuclint.NL (Hans Geurtsen) Subject: Cursors Organization: The Internet Lines: 19 To: motif@alfalfa.com, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu According to the OSF/Motif Style Guide, one should use cursor shapes to give the user a visual clue of what is happening or what is expected of him. So a ""hourglass"" cursor should be shown when the application is busy, or a ""caution"" cursor should be shown over an area when input is expected in another. Defining cursors for widgets has to be done at rather low level. So defining a cursor for all widgets in an application but not for a certain subpart of it, is a rather complicated matter. When cursors have been defined for some windows, e.g. a ""crosswire"" cursor for a DrawingArea, things get even more complicated. My intuition says that things should be easier, but is this so? If anyone has a solid and complete solution to my problem, please let me know. The topics on ""busy cursors"" in the several FAQ's are not helpful, since they only work for applications where all windows have the cursor window attribute set to 'None'. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Geurtsen Phone: (31) (0) 8385 - 33157 Nucletron Research BV. e-mail: hgn@nuclint.nl Surface: Waardgelder 1 NL-3905 TH Veenendaal " 601,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Davidians and compassion Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 26 So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire on their house, killing most of the people inside. I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what they were doing, and it's their own actions. What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful conditions. If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion? Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 602,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Though his book was dealing with the Genocide of Muslims by Armenians.. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 45 In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >Then repeat everything I said before with the word ""race-related"" >substituted for ""racist"". All that changes is the phrasing; complaining >that I used the wrong word is a quibble. Well, your Armenian grandparents were fascist. As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the Armenians 'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1] At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before the outbreak of the Second World War. In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' ""The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race. On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is bereft of social sanctities.""[2] [1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press 1934), Preface. [2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our Refuge' by O. Zarmooni. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 603,11,"From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 23 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: >Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one. They are >pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they >get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market. >It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have >registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for >most phone companies. If Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the encryption algorithm is being kept secret. This will prevent competitors from coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government- installed ""back door."" The strategy Brad describes will only work as long as the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government chips. (It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad turns out to be right. As long as people still have the power to provide their own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy is still possible. But the wording of several passages in the announcement makes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.) Hal Finney " 604,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 38 In article <9304141620.AA01443@dangermouse.mitre.org>, jmeritt@mental.mitre.org writes: |> Leviticus 21:9 |> And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the |> whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. |> |> Deuteronomy 22:20-21 |> ...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall |> bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of the |> city shall stone her with stones that she die... |> |> Deuteronomy 22:22 |> If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall |> both of them die... |> |> Deuteronomy 22:23-24 |> If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her |> in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the |> gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die... |> |> Deuteronomy 22:25 |> BUT if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, |> and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable. Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 605,1,From: djmst19@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu (David J Madura) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 dave@optimla.aimla.com (Dave Ziedman) writes: : 3DO is still a concept. : The software is what sells and what will determine its : success. Apparantly you dont keep up on the news. 3DO was shown at CES to developers and others at private showings. Over 300 software licensees currently developing software for it. I would say that it is a *LOT* more than just a concept. 606,4,"From: slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) Subject: Increasing the number of Serial ports Reply-To: slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 15 Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which will increase the number of serial ports available for use simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each one of the independently. If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of serial devices I can use? Any information is appreciated. Steven Langlois slang@bnr.ca " 607,12,"From: Mike Diack Subject: Anyone know about DATA I/O device proggers ? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 16:03:50 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-80.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 9 I keep finding these programmers in local junk shops. This may mean that they are indeed junk - but i'd like to hear from anyone else that may have met up with them. The basic device is a ""Data I/O 29A universal programmer"", and the usual pod is a ""LogicPak 303A-Vo4"" with a ""303A-001"" programming tester/ adapter. I'd really like to hear from anyone who knows whether these monsters are worth bothering with. All i want to do is blast PALCE22V10s. - Ideas, folks Mike. " 608,15,"From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford) Subject: The Mystery in the Paradox Reply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 9 I have been looking for a book that specifically addresses the mystery of God in the paradox. I have read some that touch on the subject in a chapter but would like a more detailed read. Is anyone aware of any books that deal with this subject. Please e-mail me. Thanks. Barbara " 609,19,"Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? From: ""Casper C. Knies"" Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 148 Isaac Kuo (saackuo@spam.berkeley.edu) writes: #In article <93109.231733ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> ""Casper C. Knies"" Gedaliah Friedenberg (friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu) writes: #>As a Latter-day Saint, I found John's statement *not at all* ludicrous... #> #>Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri, #>governor Boggs, issued his so-called ""Mormon extermination order."" The #>only crime (""illegal activity"") the Latter-day Saints had committed, was #>their religious affiliation, their anti-slave stance (Missouri still #>allowed slave practices), and their growing numbers/influence in Missouri. #> #>I guess the Mormons ""got what they deserved,"" because they refused to bow #>to the will of (corrupt and evil) secular authorities. This ""disobedience"" #>brought upon them persecution, murder, and finally forced expulsion from #>their lands and settlements... # #It is significant to remember that these secular positions were held by #""average"" people, and that at the time, almost all Americans were pretty #homogeonously Christian. It was largely the mainstream Christian's disgust #at such practices as polygamy which resulted in their irrational hatred. True, but that is exactly the ""problem"": the Mormon extermination order was issued not just by a Christian, it was ALLOWED under the Constitution of the United States, which was instituted precisely to prevent incidents like this ""order"" from occurring in the first place... As I indicated in an earlier posting, your ""irrational hatred"" is clearly evidenced by individuals like Robert Weiss (who could have been Gov. Boggs' Lieutenant; he would have fitted right in, drewling et al), and seems a modern-day occurrence, based on results (slander, persecution, misrepresentation, lies, denying Mormons representation in their own user group, etc. etc. In intent and purpose, what really has changed? #The situation is not entirely different today. Many irrational feelings #and beliefs are justified through religion. I don't think most of them #are started because of religion, but religion certainly helps justify and #perpetuate prejudices and practices by providing a neat justification #which discourages critical thought. True, as evidenced by numerous examples, as I am sure you're aware. #>In any regard, Mormon history alone indicates that secular authorities (and #>I don't even discuss how Uthan's were suckered into allowing part of their #>lands in becoming nerve-gas and atomic bomb testing grounds...) is far from #>being trusted or righteous. Have things really changed for the better? I #>may be a born cynic, but I have NO reason whatsoever that such has been the #>case. In the early 1980s, I believe, the late President Kimball (lds church #>leader) strongly protested federal attempts to locate the MX-""Peace Keeper"" #>missile maze from being built in Utah (yet another ""inspired"" decision from #secular authorities). Fortunately, his opposition was influential enough #for the feds to back off. # #Do you mean that the ""secular authorities"" are some continuous group of #people with the common and uninterrupted goal of harrassing/eradicating the #Mormons? Do you honestly believe that the main reason for using Utah for #nuclear testing etc.. was to ""get them thar Mormons""? And what about the #majority of Uthan's who aren't Mormons? You seem to be searching for enemy ^^^^^^^^ (Correction: the majority of Utahn's ARE Mormon (60-70% I believe, up to a 100% in many cities and settlements throughout the Western states.) #conspiracies. It is paranoid to believe that everything that affects you #badly must have been done primarily for that purpose. What I mean is that secular authorities are to be watched, as we believe that Satan has been given some power and dominion over the earth to divert truth, judgment, and justice. In addition, we believe that the adversary has power to influence the unjust and idolatrous (greed for money would be a good example) in order to bring about persecution, war, oppression, and evil combinations. As an intelligent being, don't you suppose that the destroyer would yield his influence foremost on those with political power? As far as Utah is concerned, what I pointed out were some horrible examples of environmental nightmares imposed upon by secular authorities, which have brought death, disease, (i.e. the ""downwinders"") and environmental contami- nation. I am hardly ""paranoid,"" I am just not ""expecting"" too much from a secular government that may not share our values and faith, and which indeed (as Gov. Boggs et al.) may be out to harm and destroy us. As a matter of fact, prophecies in my church indicate that in future years, (global) persecution against Mormons will so increase in intensity and scope, that (paraphrasing) ""all those who wish to escape persecution and murder must flee to Zion."" Zion (the ""pure in heart"") will be re-established in those days, and it AIN'T our current secular authorities who will rule over it... #>... David Koresh did NOT pose a great #>threat to the federal authorities or the security of this nation, and with #>John, I too wonder who or what's next... # #I personally feel that we should try to stop anyone who is a threat to the #life of even one person. Sure, he did not pose a threat to the security of #this nation. But he did pose a threat to the lives of his followers. That #much is definite. Hmmm. ""definite"" by whom? --Until such has been established beyond reason- able doubt, this alleged ""threat"" may have been less than the ""threat"" imposed upon him and his followers by the BATF and FBI... #>Who killed who? What constitutional right did the ATF officers have to #>invade upon private land and to force themselves into the compound? #>What REALLY caused the ""murder"" of the little children? Could it be that #>the ATF/FBI presence has any bearing upon the events? How would you #>interpret the Mt. Masada events? --Blame the Jews? (What the heck did #>the Romans do there anyway? What business did the ATF/FBI has in Waco, #>Texas???) The Branch Davidians NEVER posed any threat to society. # #This is like asking who REALLY caused the deaths of the Israeli Olympic #team in 1976? In that case, the police botched the job as well. But to #lay a heavier burden on them than the terrorists would be a terrible #mistake. I think the same sort of reasoning applies in this case. #Certainly, if David Koresh chose any peaceful option, the ATF and FBI #would have complied. The responsibility is more his than the authorities. Come now, at issue is in how much the authorities escalated an otherwise peaceful stand-off: ""let's get it over with, and ""force"" David Koresh to come out???"" --By gassing them??? Were they naive, or what? They played right into the hands of an apocalyptic-thinking individual (he had prepared his people for this eventuality for years), and not *one* firetruck or plan was in place to deal with this scenario??? I feel that the authorities had ""some"" responsibility to protect their own citizens, even if they were religious zealots, and guilty of ... not paying a $200 gun license??? (Has the BATF become an extension of the local tax-collectors?) #>David Koresh, no doubt, will be described as the ""evil"" guy (by the #>executioners), while the actions of all those ""valiant and brave"" officers # #Characterizing the ATF/FBI as executioners is inaccurate and unfair. In #order to be an executioner, the least one must have done is have the intent #to kill. Que?? --Intrusion into private property with semi's, loaded with life ammunition, isn't that implicit ""intent (or at least ""prepared"") to kill""? I ask you, would the BATF warrant stand up in a civil court of justice? I do not mind if criminals (such as dangerous drug lords) are brought to justice, but escalating events to the point of allowing to, if not compli- city with, the destruction of a people? #-- #*Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * _____ #*""How lucky you English are to find the toilet so amusing.* ______//_o_\\__ #* For us, it is a mundane and functional item. For you, *(==(/___________ #* the basis of an entire culture!"" Manfred von Richtofen * \==\/ \ Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu UCS Computer Facilities " 610,15,"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 11 [The following is my comment on an article by Desiree Bradley. --clh] >By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me >that he is claiming to be Christ. Koresh did originally claim to be the Christ, but then backed off and said he was a prophet. The latest news at 8:00 CDT from Waco is that the feds broke through a wall of the compound with a tank. No news besides that at this time. Paul " 611,10,"From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 27 maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: >>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not >>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >>Red Wings win? >Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that >Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired >San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only >coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be >expected to quarterback the powerplay. Good comeback, Rog. Your quick wit and intelligence continues to amaze everyone. -- John Franjione Department of Chemical Engineering University of Colorado, Boulder franjion@spot.colorado.edu " 612,7,"From: ""Daniel U. Holbrook"" Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Rob Reilly: >whips and their tempers. Initially, all cars were built with the driver's >controls on the right because that's the way people drove buggies, so the This is just not so - many of the earliest cars had their steering controls in the center of the vehicle, and there is no discernible pattern of left- or right-hand steering controls until a few years into the 20th century, when, in America at least, left-hand wheels became the pattern. The mule team (or horses, I imagine) explanation, however, seems to have some merit. Dan dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Applied History ""This coffee plunges into the stomach...the mind is aroused, and ideas pour forth like the battalions of the Grand Army on the field of battle.... Memories charge at full gallop...the light cavalry of comparisons deploys itself magnificently; the artillery of logic hurry in with their train of ammunition; flashes of wit pop up like sharp-shooters."" Honore de Balzac, 30 cups/day. " 613,12,"From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman) Subject: Re: Analog switches/Balan Lines: 31 X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r {Michael Fulbright} said ""Analog switches/Balanced"" to on 04-15-93 01:08 MF> I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag. MF> In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an MF> op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input. MF> The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches MF> to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have MF> experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an MF> AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only MF> for positive signals. How about using a 4053 it has a seperate ground for the analog outputs. It would get you 3 bits. MF> Another part which caught my eye was the Analog Devices AD630. This MF> is a balanced demodulator which appears to fill exactly the need I MF> have. The data sheet was somewhat skimpy on application notes. Could MF> someone comment on using this chip for the following application? Or how about a multiplying D/A convertor? This is essentiallty what you are makeing. Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 13:36:11 ... Catch the Blue Wave! --- * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * " 614,6,From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear) Subject: Onkyo 55w/ch integrated amp forsale: Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 18 I have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of. 60w/ch integra series works great not a problem Asking $100 OBO If your interested call me at (317)743-2656 or email this address. MAKE ME AN OFFER!!! Todd -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% (___________________________________ % Todd Premo / / / % Purdue Universtiy / __ __ / __ / % Environmental Engineering 615,10,"From: chuck@mks.com (Chuck Lownie) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 27 In article wangr@rpi.edu writes: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they >have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as >first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be >different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. >I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points >with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put >win as first in a tie breaker...... > > I didn't see any smilies in this message so....... W T L PTs Team A 50 30 4 104 Team B 52 32 0 104 There you go. Two teams that tie in points without identical records. -- " 616,3,"From: egzondag@prl.philips.nl (Eddy Zondag) Subject: QUESTION: How to get serial mouse working on IBM notebook L40? Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Lines: 13 Do you happen to know how I can get a serial mouse (9 pins) working on an IBM L40 notebook (which has a kind of bus mouse connection besides serial and parallel interfaces). The manual doesn't say anything about it. I've tried two drivers, with the result that left and right buttons are recognized, but mouse movement is not. Should I cut or shortcut some wires to/from the mouse? Thanks for your help. Eddy Zondag Philips Research egzondag@prl.philips.nl " 617,10,"From: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) Subject: Re: Wings will win Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, >Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous >GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... >that would hardly rank him as the best GM. >Wasn't Primeau, Murray's first decision as GM... >Gerald There are many teams in the NHL who have taken a liking to Russian players. The ""whole Russian strategy"" is not specific to Detroit or to Devellano, who was GM before Murray. What the previous GM also did was to trade away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams, most notably (in my memory) Murray Craven, who had a few very good years with Philly after leaving here. Also, it's not the volume of trades that will necessarily improve a team, but the quality of them. Trading Adam Oates for Bernie Federko was just plain stupid, even if Federko used to be a great player at one time. Most of Murray's trades have worked significantly to the Wings' advantage, with those that didn't being soured mainly by injury to the players involved (such as Troy Crowder, who suffered back problems from which he never really recovered). Put Scotty Bowman, Pat Burns, or any of the other better coaches in the league behind the bench of this Detroit team, and they could beat anybody. --Randy " 618,0," sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith Subject: Re: <1p88fi$4vv@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1p9bseINNi6o@gap.caltech.edu> <1pamva$b6j@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pcq4pINNqp1@gap.caltech.edu> <30071@ursa.bear.com> Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Lines: 22 halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >>I think an objective morality does exist, but that most flavors of morality >>are only approximations to it. Once again, a natural or objective morality >>is fairly easily defined, as long as you have a goal in mind--that is, what >>is the purpose of this morality. >Maybe I'm not quite getting what you mean by this, but I think objective >morality is an oxymoron. By definition, it seems, any _goal_ oriented >issue like this is subjective by nature. I don't get how you're using >the word objective. But, the goal need not be a subjective one. For instance, the goal of natural morality is the propogation of a species, perhaps. It wasn't really until the more intelligent animals came along that some revisions to this were necessary. Intelligent animals have different needs than the others, and hence a morality suited to them must be a bit more complicated than ""the law of the jungle."" I don't think that self-actualization is so subjective as you might think. And, by objectivity, I am assuming that the ideals of any such system could be carried out completely. keith " 619,2,"From: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer Organization: Physics Department, FSU News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS Reply-To: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu Lines: 31 >I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I >would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use >one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage >of Borland's ""$129.95 until April 30"" offer if this package >is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was >wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions? > >-- Tom Belmonte If you are interested in a program which is very easy to use, I strongly suggest Approach 2.0. It is extremely easy to use, make reports, etc. I own both it and Paradox, and I almost never use Paradox. If you need to build up a complicated application, then Paradox is the way to go. I have heard horror stories about the Access programming being extremely cryptic. Since you seem like you will probably be doing fairly small stuff (work/ home use and you have not used a database before), I recommend Approach. I have found only one small thing which I would like it to do more easily: I have one database where the order in which the records are entered must be different than what is the logical ordering. To permanently reorder (to use the old DBASE III command) the records requires sorting the records appropriately (no problem, since I almost always use them in this order) exporting the database to another database (which can still be an Approach database), and then copying the exported files back to the original filename. This is a small weakness, considering the other items I really like about Approach. It is also a little slower than Paradox (other than the loading, Paradox takes forever and a minute to load). Paradox also takes a lot of memory (both hard disk (around 12MB) and RAM). Greg Bishop. (bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu) " 620,12,"From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen) Subject: EICO tube tester repairs? Reply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems. Lines: 14 I had the good luck to obtain an EICO dynamic conductance tube tester for a song. Unfortunately, I was a little out of key; the only thing wrong with it was an open meter movement. Does anyone know where I can find either another meter movement like it, a dead-but-not-the-meter-dead unit, or schematics to specify the current scale of the meter movement? I can cut and paste a more sensitive movement in if I can find what the full scale current was. Or... is EICO still contactable? The thing is a model 666 -nope, not a joke or any sort of snide reference. R.G. " 621,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr10.125109.25265@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>Could you please explain in what way the Qur'an in your eyes carries >>""the excess baggage of another era""? The Qur'an in my opinion carries >>no such baggage. >How about trying to run a modern economy without charging interest on >loans. From what I hear, even fundamentalist Iran is having to >compromise this ideal. Which sort of loans and what have you heard exactly? Gregg " 622,19,"From: dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) Subject: Federal Hearing Originator: dmcgee@uluhe Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Fact or rumor....? Madalyn Murray O'Hare an atheist who eliminated the use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now going to appear before the FCC with a petition to stop the reading of the Gospel on the airways of America. And she is also campaigning to remove Christmas programs, songs, etc from the public schools. If it is true then mail to Federal Communications Commission 1919 H Street Washington DC 20054 expressing your opposition to her request. Reference Petition number 2493. " 623,14,"From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 6 >There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer >your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow >up I can dig that out for you. Keesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....? " 624,4,"From: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) Subject: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/204 - Not Even Odd, Forest Hills NY Lines: 26 I believe it goes or will go: 680060 powerPC Pentium 680040 486 680030 386 680020 286=680000 In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think it laps the pentium. pro-life pro-women -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org " 625,14,"From: hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Nntp-Posting-Host: math30.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de Organization: Math Madhouse Bielefeld, Germany Lines: 26 In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: > hideous vision of the future. Observers were >startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*. >What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are, selling every bit that promises to make money? I guess we really deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. ""Stupidity wins"". I guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers. Another depressed planetary citizen, hoover -- Uwe ""Hoover"" Schuerkamp hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de Clear Skies --- Fight light pollution! " 626,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian way of slaughtering a twelve-year-old Muslim girl. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 41 Source: ""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952). (Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 360. ""At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly, through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in- arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."" p. 361 (fourth paragraph). ""Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress. The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below his neck, into the spine. There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 627,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: HLV for Fred (was Re: Prefab Space Station?) Article-I.D.: zoo.C51875.67p Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 28 In article jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >>>Titan IV launches ain't cheap >>Granted. But that's because titan IV's are bought by the governemnt. Titan >>III is actually the cheapest way to put a pound in space of all US expendable >>launchers. > >In that case it's rather ironic that they are doing so poorly on the commercial >market. Is there a single Titan III on order? The problem with Commercial Titan is that MM has made little or no attempt to market it. They're basically happy with their government business and don't want to have to learn how to sell commercially. A secondary problem is that it is a bit big. They'd need to go after multi-satellite launches, a la Ariane, and that complicates the marketing task quite significantly. They also had some problems with launch facilities at just the wrong time to get them started properly. If memory serves, the pad used for the Mars Observer launch had just come out of heavy refurbishment work that had prevented launches from it for a year or so. There have been a few CT launches. Mars Observer was one of them. So was that stranded Intelsat, and at least one of its brothers that reached orbit properly. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 628,3,"From: larryhow@austin.ibm.com () Subject: LaserJet IV upgrades to 1200dpi opinions Originator: larryhow@larryhow.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 13 What are the current products available to upgrade the resolution? Which ones support postscript? Any experiences with them, either good or bad? Is the quality difference really noticable? I'm planning on producing camera ready copy of homes. Will the higher resolution be noticed for these? " 629,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: mysterious TV problem -- source? Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 19 If the set is direct line powered, try checking the [likely to be there] hybrid regulator module down stream from the 170 volt supply. Several sets I've looked at use a 135 volt regulator. The regulators have a tendency to short out, making the safety circuits shut down the EHT supply section. Try putting the set on a Variac or adjustable transformer and lower the AC input voltage to the set to about 90 volts. If the set operates nromally, then you know you've got a shorted regulator. There are myriad other areas for problems, but I've seen the one above several times. Also, if the set uses one, the trippler module may be shot; that's fairly common. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 630,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr16.210916.6958@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: |> I'm not familiar with the history of this experiment, although, arguably, |> I should be. For a brief, but pretty detailed account, try Hempel's _Philosophy of Natural Science_. |> I think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising. |> That's not what I'd quibble about. What I'd like to know are Toricelli's |> reasons for doing his experiment; not the post hoc _constructed_ reasons, |> but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem. It may be This smacks a bit of ideology -- the supposition being that Toricelli's subsequent descriptions of his reasoning are not veridical. It gets dangerously close to an unfalsifiable view of the history and methodology of science if we deny that no subsequent reports of experimenters are reliable descriptions of their ""real"" reasons. |> impossible to know much about Toricelli's thoughts; that's too bad if |> it is so. One of Root-Bernstein's services to science is that he has gone |> rooting about in Pasteur's and Fleming's (and other people's) notes, and has |> discovered some surprising clues about their motivations. Pasteur never |> publicly admitted his plan to create mirror-image life, but the dreams are |> right there in his notebooks (finally public after many years), ready for |> anyone to read. And I and my friends often have the most ridiculous |> reasons for pursuing results; one of my best came because I was mad at |> a colleague for a poorly-written claim (I disproved the claim). |> |> Of course, Toricelli's case may be an example of a rarety: where the |> fantasy not only motivates the experiment, but turns out to be right |> in the end. But my point is that this type of case is *not* a rarity. In fact, I was going to point to Pasteur as yet another rather common example -- particularly the studies on spontaneous generation and fermentation. I will readily concede that ""ridiculous reasons"" can play an important role in how scientists spend their time. But one should not confuse motivation with methodology nor suppose that ridiculous reasons provide the impetus in the majority of cases based on relatively infrequent anecdotal evidence. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 631,19,"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 Lines: 11 xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes: : : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed : : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the : : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out : : the rest the hard way. : : : : Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. I haven't heard of ANY illegal guns being found. He was accused of not paying taxes on LEGAL guns. " 632,15,"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 34 In article simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (simon shields) writes: >Hi All > >Hope you all had a Blessed Easter. I have a document which I believe >refutes the notion that the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) is in >schism, or that there has been any legitimate excommunication. If >anyone is interested in reading the truth about this matter please >email me and I'll send them the document via email. Its 26 pages long, >so I wont be posting it on the news group. I may be interesting to see some brief selections posted to the net. My understanding is that SSPX does not consider ITSELF in schism or legitimately excommunicated. But that's really beside the point. What does the Roman Catholic church say? Excommunication can be real apart from formal excommunication, as provided for in canon law. After all we Orthodox don't cinsider ourselves schismatic or excommunicated. But the Catholic Church considers us dissident. If this is inappropriate for this group or beyond the charter, I'm sure OFM will let us know. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com [I think it's within the charter. Whether this is actually the best group in which to discuss it is up to the people concerned. I am not interested in having this reinvoke the general Catholic/Protestant polemics, but I don't see why it should -- the issue is primarily one specific to Catholics. --clh] " 633,10,"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: Hockey & Hispanic market Distribution: na Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 10 Originator: icop@csa In article , saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes: |> In rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: |> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that |> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. |> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. What is this crap? I'm only interested in intelligent discussion. If you can't answer my question, just say so. Can anyone else answer the ques.? " 634,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: Heatsink needed Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Andrew, You can get the heat sinks at Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 part #HS157-ND $4.10 size 1.89""L x 1.89""W x .600""H comes with clips to install it. But if it was me I would get a $12.99 small fan from Radio Shack and install it where it could just blow at the cpu instead...Sam -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 635,3,"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 11 My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? I can't remember what the last one was. If you can't find these markings on the circuit board, I'll open my machine and tell you what mine are....... Kevin Holly McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario hollyk@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca " 636,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 24 In article <1qve4kINNpas@sal-sun121.usc.edu> schaefer@sal-sun121.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer) writes: >|> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >|> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. >Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the >feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY! Depends. If you assume the existance of a working SSTO like DC, on billion $$ would be enough to put about a quarter million pounds of stuff on the moon. If some of that mass went to send equipment to make LOX for the transfer vehicle, you could send a lot more. Either way, its a lot more than needed. This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is enough to do it if the vehicle exists. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 637,12,"From: long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long) Subject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer Article-I.D.: spk.C52I89.GEq Distribution: na Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] william burchill (williamb@ee.ubc.ca) wrote: : Does anybody out there know how the hand held breathalyzer used : by our police works? I would like to hear about this and the more : general problem of detecting smells by machine. : : Thanks, William. : : williamb@ee.ubc.ca : From what I have read about these little gadgets, it works on a electrochemical galvanic principle. The sensing unit has a chemical matrix which produces an electrical voltage proportional to the amount of chemical compound it is designed for ... in this case I believe it is the Hydroxyl group??? I have also heard - not tested :-) - since common gasoline is also a member of this Hydroxyl group, it will also cause a failing breathalizer failure! Next time you get stopped for DUI, say you just siphoned gas from your neighbors car (you know..... the Oklahoma credit card) and chances are you won't get a DUI ticket!!!! Jerry Long long@spk.hp.com **************************************** Disclaimer.... Opinions are my own and do NOT reflect those of my employer. **************************************** " 638,12,"From: rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 27 mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes: >I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact >that ADCOM does NOT make its own ""High End"" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+ >of it comes directly out of Tiawan... Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east). Final assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick. The products are, and have always been, designed entirely in the US; by their own staff and by audiophile gurus like Walter Jung. Adcom also tends to prefer American and European components over their Japanese/Far East equivalents. Off-shore assembly is one reason that Adcom is able to make products that perform as well as those from people like Audio Research and Van Alstine (and better than Hafler and Forte'), but at a much lower cost. Of course, if your musical diet consists mostly of Rock, you might prefer components from Kenwood or Pioneer... Roger Williams | ""Most great discoveries are made rogerw@world.std.com | by accident: the larger the consulting engineer | funding, the longer it takes to Middleborough, Mass. | have that accident."" " 639,3,"From: nmp@mfltd.co.uk (Nic Percival (x5336)) Subject: Non-turbo speed Reply-To: nmp@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England Lines: 18 Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too. One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button that turns it into a skateboard. Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off. Cheers, -- +-- Nic Percival ----------+- ""Well that was a piece of cake, eh K-9?"" -----+ | Micro Focus, Newbury. | ""Piece of cake master? Radial slice of baked | | (0635) 32646 Ext 5336. | confection... - coefficient of relevance to | +-- nmp@mfltd.co.uk -------+- Key to Time: zero."" - Dr. Who ---------------+ " 640,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 54 In article tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: ... >Give me a break! What fireman should have to deal with a blaze like that >AND get shot at at the same time. Nearly all of them. Witness LA> Firemen are among our real heroes most of the time. I wonder when they were actually aasked to come, or if they found out about the fire over the TV .... Shot at by whom? prove it! > >These people were breaking the law. I agree these weren't the best tactics, When ""law"" replaces ""justice"" the system is dying or dead. Note that we had a small revolution 216 years ago on this point. >they probably should have backed off, pulled the perimeter way back, and let >them sit there with no media attention until they decided to come out. The >only other alternative I see would have been to send in a couple of special >forces guys to capture or assassinate Koresh. But remember, these fruit- Or perhaps just wait. Or maybeeven send in a few agents who are Christian to sit down and pray outside the line? Try affinity rather than subversion? >loops were putting their lives on the lines voluntarily. Why should Chuckle. SO would you if someone points a gun at you. At that point you can die or live; and if living means stayng in a building to keep badge carrying nuts off your kids, I suspect you might as well. BOTH sides were wrong. >law-abiding citizens have to put themselves in any more danger than necessary >when dealing with a nut? Look at the man who jumped out of his Bradley to >grab a flaming women who was running back into the building. Yeah, I would >have to say they were trying to save those people. I don't think I would >risk my life that much to save someone that stupid that obviously didn't >even want to be saved. Try again: go see the movie Sophie's CHoice. Grow up. > >-Tim royc " 641,4,"From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca In bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes: >Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding >fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 as the message ""fpu: >optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all >C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they >be so unclear about this issue in their price list? Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together the brochures and price lists weren't clear on the FPU issue. Afterall, Apple's literature is not always 100% correct. A funny one I noticed recently is that some of the brochures on the Macs with CD capability refer to the ""auto inkjet"" feature. This should have read ""auto inject"" feature (as it does on some other correct brochures I've seen from Apple). Since it was correct on some older brochures, I can only guess that someone edited the copy, saw ""inject"" and thought it was a typo and changed it to the more familiar word ""inkjet"". Hmmm, what would that be? A printer built into the CD player? A way of *writing* information to a CD? :-) :-) " 642,3,"From: zaphod@src4src.linet.org (Steve Wechsler) Subject: VGA card for fixed-frequency monitor Organization: The Source for Source Lines: 19 X-Standard-Disclaimer: I probably don't speak for src4src.linet.org. Has anyone connected a high-res, fixed frequency monitor to their PC? I have a mitubishi monitor that does 1024x768 at 60hz, but won't do any other resolutions. All the video cards designed for this sort of thing are very expensive (>$400). Has anyone done it with an SVGA card (I know it can be done, it's just a question of getting the card at the right resolution and frequency)? I'd like to use a mono (hercules) monitor as my dos/command line monitor, and switch to the mitsu for Windows or X-windows (under Linux or 3BSD). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. E-mail, please. Thanks, -- Steve Wechsler | zaphod@src4src.linet.org | Call Lady Hawke's Castle BBS: Please respond to my queries via e-mail (post also if you like) | 516-226-4630 because my site purges news much faster than I can keep up with it. This message was made from 100% recycled materials. " 643,8,"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.000851.17731@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes: >Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your >bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine? >The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound. > >Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the >translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few >minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic >face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass. A couple of other tips. 1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away from the sun. 2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned product plug #2543): roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes: >OK, for a novice question, is there anything that will clean a >face-shield and also remove abrasions so that one can see through it >better? What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The stuff works great on plastic watch ""crystals"" and compact discs too. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 644,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian genocide of the Muslim people in 1914 and 1993. Article-I.D.: zuma.9304052051 Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 52 In article ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: > Alah, alah, kleriklemek mutuglu diyeni de la malakismenos kolo-Tourkos ... > Likkleserfelc ekmek salam. Toukoutakli, ranadas sarma. > Geke re? Ti, eipate yok? Plaka numarani alalim kanw re... Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. pp. 267-268. ""Van'dan sonra ilk isyan Sebinkarahisar'da basladi. 1915 senesi 5 haziran da, Sivasli Murat [Hamparsum Boyaciyan - sa] denilen bir caninin emri altinda 500 kadar cete Sebinkarahisari basti. Burasi o zaman en onemli askeri bir yerdi. Erzurum bolgesinde Rus ordusu ile savasan Osmanli Ordularinin butun ikmal araclari buradan gecmekte idi. Ermeniler boyle onemli bir yer isgal ettikleri takdirde Turk ordularinin ikmali yapilamayacak ve Rus Ordularinin harekati kolaylasacakti. Sebinkarahisarin islam mahalleleri tamamen atese verildi. Her rastlanan Turk iskence ile olduruldu. Mus'da ayni sekilde isyan devam ediyordu. Sason daglari Ermeni eskiyalariyla dolu idi. Bu isyanlari, ordunun arkasini vurmak ve Rus Ordusunun ilerlemesini saglamak icin Ermenilerin pasa dedikleri Rupen idare ediyordu. Bundan baska, Rus Ordularinin Rus - Turk sinirindan gecerek Turk topraklarina girdikleri bu safhada Rus Ordusu icinde bulunan Ermeni gonullu alaylariyla Rus Ordularinin isgali altina giren Ermeni koylerindeki silahli halk, Turk koylerine hucum ederek bu koyleri yakip yikmislar ve Turk halkini hatira gelmeyen mezalim ve iskence ile oldurmulerdir. p. 285. ""Bu suretle sehirde 23 gun cok kanli olaylar cereyan etti, bu sure sonunda Van, Ermeniler tarafindan tamamen isgal olundu. Buradan kacabilen Turklerin, Ermenilerin davranislari hakkinda verdikleri haberler tuyler urpertici idi. Cunku isyancilar halkin cogunu oldurmus, kadinlarin irzina gecmis, Turk kadin ve kizlarini bazi evlerde topladiktan sonra buralarini Genelev haline getirmislerdir. O zaman Van'da 1500 kadar kadin ve cocuktan baska Turk kalmamis, bunlari da oradaki Amerikalilar korumustur. Sehir bastan basa harab olmus, carsi kamilen yanmisti."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 645,6,"From: whirley@sage.cc.purdue.edu (whirley) Subject: Oakleys' for sale; items wanted Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 19 Heya all, I've got a pair of Oakley forsale There are frogskins, with aurborn red. THere are no scratches and only used them once or twice last summer. I'm looking for about 25-30 dollars but please give me a bid. I'm am looking for the following items A BUBBLE JET PRINTER that works and is el cheapo... i was looking for a cannon BJ-5 but if u have a bubble jet to sell please tell me. I'm looking to spend about $100 or so. A sound cards (sound blaster compatible). Again I'm looking fer something cheap, such as $50 or so dollars. thanks whirley Address ""whirley@sage.cc.purdue.edu"" " 646,9,"Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support From: f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: violet Nntp-Posting-User: f67709907 Lines: 54 In article , philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > In article <4fjQpAu00WBLM1z50R@andrew.cmu.edu> Anuj Gupta writes: >>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a >>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped >>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the >>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see >>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the >>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. > > And these guys certainly know what they're talking about. Every > bozo from Pittsburgh to Calcutta will just have to sit up and take > notice! This Phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going > to score a LOT of runs and put up a TON of hits on the scoreboard. > You people out there are going to be sick of seeing PHILLIES > scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the > newspaper. These guys hit .304 through Spring Training..well before > getting no hit yesterday. But they had a plane to catch 45 minutes > after the game ended, so they're minds weren't in it. Up to this point, I really thought this had been written by a pro-SDCN, anti-mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for sarcasm and biting remarks. Somebody like me, for instance. The lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the original poster. > Now, on top of the great offense, they have a slightly above average > pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise. If the > pitchers do their part, and Mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum, > look for another pennant out in left field at the Vet... > > Robert C. Hite > > P.S. Michael Jack Schmidt for COMMISSIONER But then the scales were lifted from my eyes. Looks like Robert is really being serious. Oh, well. I compare the performance of the 1992 Phillies with the 1987 edition, which had outstanding run producers at every position except SS, yet finished at a frustrating sub-.500 level. The 1987 folks didn't ever amount to anything, and neither will the 1992 squad, IMHO. Any other parallels with previous years' teams for this year's editions (in the style of 1993 Braves = 1971 Orioles)? -- Greg ""Mockingbird"" Franklin ""Interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu than mingling between G7 races."" -- robohen Things One Wishes to See The moon, flowers, the face of a dear one. Well-performed No. The furnishings of a tea cottage. The real thoughts of one's lover--and her letter. All famous places. " 647,9,"From: (Sean Garrison) Subject: Re: Fenway Gif Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Lines: 11 I'd love to see a Shea Stadium gif. -Sean ******************************************************************************* ""Behind the bag!"" - Vin Scully ******************************************************************************* " 648,12,"From: pierson@cimill.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson) Subject: Re: Swr Meter For Cb Radios Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: cimill In article <734953838.AA00508@insane.apana.org.au>, peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes... >AllThe Devil ReincarnateSWR meter for CB radios > >TD>From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) >TD>Organization: CDAC, WA >TD>What >TD>is a good choice for a CB? 1/4 or 1/8 wave? >TD> I read the installation instructions on a 1/4 wave antenna, >TD>and they suggested that I use an SWR to tune it at channel 12 >TD>and channel 32 for a minimum reading. Question is, why channel >TD>12 and 32? >The best antenna is one that will let out the most wave (probably not the >best explanation, but the rest makes sense) A one wave will cancell itself >out (BTW no such beastie). Yes there is. Not common for CB. The pattern is different (sort of a cloverleaf, with four main lobes. > The best is a 1/2 wave antenna, followed by 1/4, then 1/8 etc. Use of anything under 1/4 wave for transmitting is very uncommon. (The usual ""rubber duck"" uses a coil to fool itself into looking like a quarter wave. I reccomend the ARRL Antenna Handbook, or a good basic book. thanks dave pierson |the facts, as accurately as i can manage, Digital Equipment Corporation |the opinions, my own. 40 Old Bolton Rd |I am the NRA Stow, Mass 01775 USA |pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com ""He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."" A J Raffles " 649,14,"From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: space food sticks Article-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.134526.14966 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] John Elson (jelson@rcnext.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : Has anyone ever heard of a food product called ""Space Food Sticks?"" I remember those awful things. They were dry and crumbly, and I recall asking my third-grade teacher, Miss G'Francisco, how they kept the crumbs from floating around in zero-G. She had no clue. I have not seen anything like them in today's space program. Some Apollo technology is best forgotten. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON JULY 1969, A.D. WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND."" " 650,13,"From: dpc47852@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Paul Checkman) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 26 dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >>most likely explanation for events. >You forgot the smiley-face. >I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me >you're an aberration. >-- >Steve Dyer >dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer HEY, KEEP YOUR FU---NG FLAMING OUT OF THIS GROUP- THAT GOES FOR YOU, MR. DYER, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER NASTY, SARCASTIC PEOPLE, REGARDING THIS SUBJECT. Shoot, now I'm all riled up, too, and I was just going to ask if we can keep our discussion about MSG a little more civil; blasting a school or an idea through simple insults as demonstrated above is not necessary, and otherwise out of line. If you want to continue your insult war, take it elsewhere and stop wasting everyone else's time. Most sincerely, Dan Checkman " 651,10,"From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH. Lines: 16 In article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula writes: >I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an >octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? No no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the fish at UNH games....) >(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) >------- >Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!! > >Harold Zazula >dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu >hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu " 652,11,"From: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 52 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: oldtown.larc.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr21.150815.6657@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes: >In article Graham Toal writes: >>In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >>:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public >>:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few >>:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a > >One more time... > > If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone > to come up with an implementation which was identical, but > lacking an escrowed key. > > Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was > being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this > case security means ""an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip"". > > > Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of > the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy : > > (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key > (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key > in government escrow. > > There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second > source, non escrowed, vendor. But what about second sources for pin-compatible non-Clipper algorithm chips that also have escrowed keys? If a ""reputable firm"" produces a chip (with escrowed key) that is a pop-in replacement for the Clipper chip in my phone, and uses an algorithm that is widely known and evaluated and ""trusted,"" then what's the problem? The Clipper is going to be reverse engineered anyway by any organization with sufficient resources (can you say ""billions of cocaine dollars?"") so those drug dealers they're so worried about will be slipping through the cracks. We law-abiding (non-incredibly-wealthy) citizens, naturally, will not have this recourse. But claiming that the algorithm can't be released to prevent people from using non-key-escrowed chips is plain deceitful... analysis of the chip output will provide information on the necessary headers and whatnot, so the ""bad guys"" could build chips using a *different* algorithm and still not escrow their keys. Or, they could just buy bunches of cheap phones at K-mart every week, and play Swap-the-Clipper-Chip with their cellular phone every day. Michael T. Palmer | ""A man is crazy who writes a secret in any m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov | other way than one which will conceal it RIPEM key on server | from the vulgar."" - Roger Bacon, 1220-1292 " 653,2,"Subject: Re: FAST DOS'VGA and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed. From: edowdy@vax1.umkc.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr25.220320.26510@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, leo@cae.wisc.edu (Leo Lim) writes: > ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB. > I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows. > but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA, > especially this new Strike Commander. ;-) > this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench). > my winmark was 6.35 million, i think. > > so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully > can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also > can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps. > I am ordering the Actix graphicsengine ultra plus. It is the same price as the stealth card. Plus it is also based on S3 928 chip the newest and fastest chip from s3. Everyone, if you are looking for a card, SEE THE APRIL ISSUE OF PC MAGAZINE FOR THEIR REVIEW. They noted this person's problem with dos. The stealth card is not a very good dos performer. The Actix card is rated the best in this chip class (non local bus). It got glowing reports from the magazine (was a best buy) and I called them directly and they just updated their windows drivers last week! They have a bulletin board to get the latest drivers. Though somone posted that this bbs was at 2400. AT any rate, the Actix graphics engine ultra outperforms all the other cards in the 928 class (based on the winmark results). If you are looking for the all around best dos/windows performance check out the actix card. Their 1-800 number is 927-5557. P.S. The article in pc magazine noted that if you are a regular dos user (ie: games) then you should also check out the 801 chip from s3. It apparently scores just as well and in many cases slightly better in dos than the 928 chip (ie: stealth and actix cards.) They have ""comparable"" windows performance and are cheaper to buy. Eric " 654,19,"From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 13 ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. That's Ruby Rose and Gold Cross, in rough translation. The G.'.D.'. is a Rosicrucian order, as are all derivative groups. Of course, real Rosicrucians never admit to being Rosicrucian. Enjoy the journey! --Br'anArthur Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-) ****************************************************************************** Closed minds don't want to know. --JJObermark " 655,19,"From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) Subject: Identity crisis (God == Satan?) Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel. " 656,8,"From: heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman) Subject: Re: dogs Originator: heathman@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 31 In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: > >What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it? > >You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head >off! > >Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, >we have *all* the advantages. > >Regards, Charles >DoD0.001 >RZ350 >-- Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a 1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed. A trained guard dog is not to be trifled with. An untrained mutt may be another story. ObMoto: A local dog used to chase me all the time. Really annoying. I finally started stopping every time he'd chase me. He didn't know what to do then and would usually just slink off the road. After a couple weeks of this he stopped chasing me altogether. He would still chase cars or other bikes, though. I think he recognized me when I went by ;-). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Mike Heathman VX800 - Briar Rose DoD #0284 - - Lilly Research T500 - Titan (Awaiting Resurrection) - - Indianapolis, IN ""Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 657,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) writes: > No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of > Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the > buildings down very credible,either. I don't know how quickly YOU can get a woodstove to heat up from a cold start, but mine takes about three hours. > It's not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some- > one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig- > nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings. Mox nix. The BD's were prepared to provide their own heat and light, and were doing so for weeks while the power was out. That means the compound contained containers of flammable liquids or gases (that could be busted by a tank intrusion), plus ignition sources, which no one can tell for sure were all off at the time. > I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac- > cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of > their conduct in this whole affair. On the contrary. We are proposing alternate scenarios. The people who are coming to wild conclusions are the feds, who are absolutely positive how the fire started, even though none of them were in a position to see it, either (and the stories they ""hear"" from their prisoners changes hourly). -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 658,5,"From: victor@hpfrcu03.FRance.hp.COM (Victor GATTEGNO FRENCH CRC) Subject: Re: High order bit of a character in xterm . Organization: The Internet Lines: 33 To: kavitsky@hsi.com Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > > Does anyone know why the high order bit is being filtered and what > I can do to make sure that the entire 8bits make it through to > the final application? Any help is greatly appreciated. > 1. You need these resources : XTerm*EightBitInput: true XTerm*EightBitOutput: true 2. In the shell you need to do : stty cs8 -istrip Good luck . Victor . | * X X X X ______________________________________________________________X________ X Victor Gattegno Email: victor@hpfrcu03.france.hp.com XXX Hewlett-Packard France Hpdesk: HP8101/RC X X X 1, Avenue du Canada Phone : 33-1-69-82-60-60 X X X 91947 - Les Ulis Cedex Telnet: 770-1141 X X X " 659,7,"From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 32 Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says: >I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. > >What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) > >Thanks, >Danny >-- > >=============================================================================== >= ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = >= Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = >= | = >= Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = >= Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = > For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports suspension (which is too stiff.) For a little more practicality and more comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy. And for a good dose of luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.) However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks, the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like. I don't particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. ""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" " 660,9,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Gotta a Question.... Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 24 Distribution: usa Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <47844@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes: >In article , cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) writes: > |> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes: > .... > |> >>What is the maximum runs allowed before a stopper can get credit for a > |> >>relief? i.e. if a stopper comes in with a 5 run lead does he getcredit > |> >> with the save. > |> >If you come in and pitch the last three innings,and your team was ahead > |> >when you got out there and wins the game, you get a save. > |> Sort'a correct. If you pitched at least 3 innings,entered with your team > |> in the lead, was the pitcher when the game ended,the game was never tied > |> during your stint, and your team won, you get a save. > Well, the rulebook says that in the opinion of the scorer, you must have > ""pitched effectively"" for your 3 innings - this save is not automatic, > unlike the others. Someone in SABR actually looked at these games a few years ago and found that the official scorer awarded the save in every one of the games - even those in which the pitcher had pitched badly (allowing 4 or 5 runs). seeing, hearing (my two sense worth) john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu " 661,15,"From: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: Giving ""spiritual gifts"" Reply-To: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 20 I just thought I'd share a nice experience before my exam today. I was walking down the streets on our campus, and a beggar came up and asked me for any spare change I might have. I had a dollar or so that I gave her, and - not wanting to give away all my money to strangers (I generally give a dollar as that will buy a little food at McDonalds or something) - I offered her some ""spiritual gifts,"" as I called them, rather than gifts of money. I talked of how great I felt that God had made such a pretty day, and how nice it was to give to people - she then said she was getting married soon. She talked about how she and her husband had very little (they may not have even had a house, for all I know), but that they felt a very special love in the Lord, an unselfish kind of caring. It warmed my heart to know that 2 people can have so little monetarily, and realize that spiritually they are indeed very rich. A good lesson for all of us who say we want more, more, more; what we really need cannot be counted, or sold, or bought. -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu Heaven is a great big hug that lasts forever ""And when that One Great Scorer comes to mark against your name; He writes, not whether you've won or lost, but how you played the game"" --Grantland Rice " 662,13,"From: mstern@lindsay.Princeton.EDU (Marlene J. Stern) Subject: Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: lindsay.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Distribution: nj Lines: 43 We will be holding a bake and craft sale at Communiversity in Princeton on Nassau Street, Saturday April 24th 12-4 p.m. to benefit the Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis Foundation, a nonprofit foundation established to encourage research toward a cure for Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. Our three year old daughter suffers from this disease. Below is a press release that appeared in local newspapers. Hope you can join us. On Saturday, April 24 as part of Communiversity in Princeton, a local family will be having a bake and craft sale to raise money for and create public awareness about a rare disease called Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. Bill and Marlene Stern's daughter Lindsay is afflicted with this disease characterized by tumors attacking the inside of the larynx, vocal cords and trachea. Caused by a virus, the tumors grow, block the air passages and would lead to death from suffocation without continual surgery to remove the growths. Three year old Lindsay has undergone 11 operations thus far since her diagnosis last year and faces the prospect of over a hundred operations throughout her lifetime. Even though the disease is hardly a household word, it has affected the lives of enough people to inspire the formation of the Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis Foundation, a non-profit foundation whose goals are to provide support for patients and families by networking patients and publishing a newsletter, enhance awareness of RRP at the local and national level, and aid in the prevention, cure, and treatment. Since medical researchers know that the virus causing the disease is similar to those viruses causing warts, they feel a cure would be within reach if money were available for research. Because RRP is rare, it not only gets scant attention but also paltry funds to search for a cure. Part of the RRP Foundation's mission is to change that. Anyone interested in contributing items to the bake and craft sale, please call Marlene or Bill at 609-890-0502. Monetary donations can be made at the Foundation's booth during Communiversity, April 24th, 12 to 4 p.m., in downtown Princeton, or sent directly to: The Recurrent Respiratory Foundation 50 Wesleyan Drive Hamilton Sq., NJ 08690. Thanks mstern@lindsay.princeton.edu " 663,4,"From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase) Subject: Seeking FAX For Network Access Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 9 I am seeking recommendations/Vendors for a Networkable FAX. It would mainly be used for outgoing FAX's from Mac's on our Net. The ability to Fax from other platforms would be a plus. Ethernet interface would be preffered but LocalTalk would suffice. Can anyone provide any info? Thanks in advance, --Peter <==================================+==================================> Peter Haase + Internet: haase@meediv.lanl.gov Network Manager + Los Alamos National Laboratory " 664,12,"From: jkeais@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (keais j) Subject: Re: Pioneer Laser player Article-I.D.: gondor.1pr8nn$46v Organization: SDSU Computing Services Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu In article <1993Apr6.005150.10250@ee.rochester.edu> neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale) writes: >I'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing >and/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When >I power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the >door doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how >to obtain documentation? What you have is one of the LD players from a video game (Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, etc). Call Pioneer Technicial Support 213-498-0300 (at least that's the number I called them at) and ask for the LD-V1000 Interface Guide. It shows how the parallel interface should be wired and the codes for the commands (play, pause, reject, etc). The guide is mainly for hooking the player to a computer, but with a little work, you could build a wired controller. Jim Keais jkeais@ucssun1.sdsu.edu " 665,14,"From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 8 You forget that Apollo was a Government program and had to start relatively from scratch. Some people at NASA think that this could work. One of them replied to me personally after I posted this original message several days ago. I have heard Jerry Pournelle suggest this idea before. -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville " 666,12,"From: harton@owlnet.rice.edu (Tracy Brian Harton) Subject: Wireless Transmitter/Receivers at RS Organization: Rice University Lines: 12 Does anyone know what frequencies the wireless transmitter/receiver microphone systems that Radio Shack sells operate at? I've tried everything short of opening one up (not actually owning one makes this difficult...) and just looking.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. These systems are designed for wireless PA systems, etc.. Thanks, Tracy " 667,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 21 [reply to keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)] >My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio >Syndrome This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different >symptons ( eg chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have >any information on it It would help if you (and anyone else asking for medical information on some subject) could ask specific questions, as no one is likely to type in a textbook chapter covering all aspects of the subject. If you are looking for a comprehensive review, ask your local hospital librarian. Most are happy to help with a request of this sort. Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the weakness as they get older. One theory is that the remaining motor neurons have to work harder and so die sooner. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 668,3,"From: sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de (Stefan Reck) Subject: Re: Adaptec ACB-2322: what is it? Distribution: world Organization: REBOX's Host, Berlin, Germany Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: NWREADER [version 3.02] wright@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Ted Wright) writes: > > An Adaptec ACB-2322 rev B disk controller has come into my hands with > no documentation. Is this an ESDI controller? MFM? RLL? Something else? > The BIOS on it is dated 1987, if that is any help. I think it is an ESDI controller if you need the doco i can help you. Stefan -- Stefan Reck | INET : sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de Berlin |--------------------------------------------------------------- Germany | that's all " 669,3,"From: rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) Subject: Re: 16Mb ISA limit Keywords: monitor, VGA, question Organization: MicroTech Software Lines: 29 marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes: >In the latest PC Magazine (Pentium isssue), there >is an editorial on the >advantages of a PC using EISE/VESA-LB rather >than just plain ISA/VESA-LB. Supposedly users >will eventually want more than 16Mb of RAM. >However since the ISA bus has only 24 bits, >then anything on the bus can access only 16Mb >even if I have 32Mb on the motherboard. >So far I agree with the arguments. >Then the writer claims that glitches can >occur in systems with over 16Mb because >of that limit. That part I don't understand >because the RAM is right on the motherboard. >So the cpu should have no problems talking >with the RAM. Can anybody explain this ? The problem is with ISA bus-masters which can only address the first 16MBs of system memory. Bus-masters do not use the CPU nor the system DMA to do the actual data transfer but transfer their data directly to the system RAM. rp93 -- Roger C. Pao {gordius,bagdad,pride386}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us " 670,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, I looked at the scoring plan I had, and have decided to modify it. Here is the new, finalized scoring: Pick 1st round winner, way off on games: 2 "" "" "" "" pick within one game: 3 "" "" "" "" pick exact games: 4 Pick 2nd round winner, way off on games: 4 "" "" "" "" pick within one game: 5 "" "" "" "" pick exact games: 7 Pick conference champ, way off on games: 7 "" "" "" pick within one game: 10 "" "" "" pick exact games: 13 Pick Stanley Cup winner, way off on games: 13 "" "" "" "" pick within one game: 17 "" "" "" "" pick exact games: 20 Pick loser in 7, series goes 7: 2 Pick loser in 7, game 7 decided in OT: 4 These are now final. Anyone needing a copy of the entry sheet, email me at the address below. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 671,13,"From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black) Subject: cystic breast disease Organization: Sybase, Inc. Lines: 18 My mom has just been diagnosed with cystic breast disease -- a big relief, as it was a lump that could have been cancer. Her doctor says she should go off caffeine and chocolate for 6 months, as well as stopping the estrogen she's been taking for menopause-related reasons. She's not thrilled with this, I think especially because she just gave up cigarettes -- soon she won't have any pleasures left! Now, I thought I'd heard that cystic breasts were common and not really a health risk. Is this accurate? If so, why is she being told to make various sacrifices to treat something that's not that big of a deal? Thanks for any information. -- Chris -- black@sybase.com Note: My mailer tends to garble subject lines. " 672,2,"From: gay@selkirk.sfu.ca (Ian D. Gay) Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 10 kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) writes: [stuff about changing windows registration omitted] >the damned thing anyway. This technique should work with just about >any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original >floppies when you install; in some extreme cases you may not be able Huh??? My copy of win 3.1 came on _permanently_ write-protected diskettes. (No sliding tabs). " 673,10,"From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel) Subject: Re: Travesty at the Joe Louis Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca In article <1993Apr20.005512.3382@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes: >(Detroit, April 19) > >In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings >scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en >route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken Detroit scored 4 goals on their first five shots on net...looks like Toronto's cream cheese run continues (or is that swiss cheese? after watching Potvin I'm leaning towards the latter) Bill " 674,3,"From: ryvg90@email.sps.mot.com (Koji Kodama) Subject: >>>WANTED: Your opinions on the Insight Talon TA-1000 or TA-2000 Multimedia kits<<< Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.7.248.49 Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas Lines: 47 For those of you who might be familiar with Insight Distribution Network, Inc. and their Multimedia Kits: I'm seriously considering buying the Insight Talon TA-2000 MM Kit, which is bundled with the CD-ROM drive with 265-280ms access time, 300Kb dtr, multispin, multi-session Photo CD capability, etc., and with the PAS-16 sound card, etc.... (if you are familiar with Insight, you know the kit I mean). I believe the drive is either a Texel (265ms) or an NEC (280ms), but it is not clear to me which one is actually a part of the bundle (at least two of their sales people couldn't give me a straight answer as to which one; ah, yes, one of the drawbacks of OEM!). Other questions: - Excuse my ignorance, but is ""Texel"" a reputable maker in the CD-ROM market? Or do you think NEC is the better drive? - Bottom line: Is this kit worth the money? (Currently, $449 for the TA-1000, and $699 for the TA-2000) Alternatively, I was thinking that the TA-2000 might be overkill for my uses (however, I *do* want full multimedia capabilities, Photo CD stuff, educational programs for my kids, etc.), and considered the lower-end TA-1000 kit and using the difference (around $250.00) to get something else useful, like a tape back-up drive unit. Basically, I would just like to hear from those who have actually USED these kits, and whatever pros/cons you might advise, preferably directly to the email address below. Thanks, Koji 2 _/ ~~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~_/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | _/ _/ | Koji Kodama | | by _/ _/ | Nippon Motorola Ltd. | | _/ _/ | ryvg90@email.sps.mot.com | | _/ _/ |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | _/_/ _/ | NOTE: The opinions expressed herein | | _/ _/ | are mine, and do not reflect the opinions | | _/ _/ |or policies of Motorola Inc. or its affiliates.| ~~_/~~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _/_/_/ " 675,19,"Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac Lines: 20 In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed >for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the Seems to be, barring evidence to the contrary, that Koresh was simply another deranged fanatic who thought it neccessary to take a whole bunch of folks with him, children and all, to satisfy his delusional mania. Jim Jones, circa 1993. >In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption. >Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten? Nope - fruitcakes like Koresh have been demonstrating such evil corruption for centuries. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac " 676,14,"From: pvtmakela@hylkn1.Helsinki.FI (M{kel{ Veikko) Subject: Re: Astronomy Program Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 20 In article <28641@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@ucrengr.ucr.edu (kevin marcus) writes: >Are there any public domain or shareware astronomy programs which will >map out the sky at any given time, and allow you to locate planets, nebulae, >and so forth? If so, is there any ftp site where I can get one? There are several star map programs available. Your job is to choose that you like. Try anonymous-FTP from: ftp.funet.fi:pub/astro/pc/stars pc/solar mac amiga atari regards, -Veikko- " 677,10,"From: LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Laurie Marshall) Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? Article-I.D.: cms.16BA79DBA.LMARSHA Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: cms.cc.wayne.edu In article <1993Apr4.051942.27095@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > >For those of you who can only decide which team is best after you have >seen the standings: > >TOR 42 25 11 95 .609 >CHI 42 25 11 95 .609 >DET 44 28 9 97 .599 >VAN 41 28 9 91 .583 > >No team in the Campbell Conference has a better record than Toronto. That's true, but according to your stats, Chicago has just as good a record as Toronto. It's interesting that you should list Toronto ahead of Chicago. Laurie Marshall Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan Go Wings!! " 678,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: realizing colours/win.ini setting changes to ""y"" automatically: Organization: George Washington University Lines: 32 Mornin' all. I was wonderin'..... I got screenpeace (the screensaver, which I think is *very* good), and I got a problem with it... There is an option there, ""realize colour table"", and if it's switched on, some wallpapers' colours will get *ucked up with some screensavers (e.g. the ""flashlight"" one). If I turn it off, however, it works well, and it's faster, so I have it off. All's nice and well. However, If I turn it off, then it will be on again next time I start windows. All the setting are set in the win.ini file, and I *do* have ""save settings on exit"" selected. also, I tried manually changing the setting in the win.ini file to ""n"" (for no-->realize colour table), and started windows. It will be fine for that session, but the next session will *again* turn the option on. I tried adding a +R (read-only) attribute to my win.ini file, and it worked, but my bitmap (wallpaper) saver didn't work then. Actually, it's the same application. Anywya, it didn't work, since it must change the setting at the win.ini file. so anyone out there got any answers/suggesions/comments for me? thanks, i.a. Mickey aka mp -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) " 679,13,"From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Distribution: world Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 19 While in grad school, I remember a biochemistry friend of mine working with ""heat shock proteins"". Apparently, burning protein will induce changes in he DNA. Whether these changes survive the denaturing that occurs during digestion I don't know, but I never eat burnt food because of this. Also, many woods contain toxins. As they are burnt, it would seem logical that some may volatilise, and get into the BBQed food. Again, I don't know if these toxins (antifungal and anti-woodeater compounds) would survive the rather harsh conditions of the stomach and intestine, and then would they be able to cross the intestinal mucosa? Maybe someone with more biochemical background than myself (which is almost *anyone*... :)) can shed some light on heat shock proteins and the toxins that may be in the wood used to make charcoal and BBQ. Anne-Marie Rousseau e-mail: rousseaua@immunex.com What I say has nothing to do with Immunex. " 680,12,"From: agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, UK Lines: 26 In article jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann x 2966) writes: >My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back >end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm >particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any >current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a >normal IF filter can be used? > GEC/Plessey specify a series of FM demodulators (SL1454 etc) for use in satellite TV receivers : 150 or 600MHz in, 10MHz of baseband video out. I think there's also a related data slicer / clock recovery circuit intended for use in DMAC decoders, though that isn't used in the most common implementation - it may not be in volume production. The most easily available components probably vary with local satellite standards, and I think the european systems vary rather widely from those in the US - so it may be worth investigating locally-available receiver designs to find out what's in common use. -adrian -- Adrian Godwin : agodwin@acorn.co.uk : adrian@fangorn.demon.co.uk : g7hwn@gb7khw ObDisclaimer : I believe this rubbish .. don't imagine that anyone else does. " 681,4,"From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.) Subject: ImageWriter II at 50 Hz Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi! A while back, there was a thread in this group about the use of the IWII in Europe (in countries with 50 Hz AC current). The consensus at the time was that the IWII would not work there. As I will be moving there this summer, I called Apple to make sure and they told me (today) that the IWII (as bought in the U.S.) will definitely run on 50 Hz AC current (as long as a step-down converter is employed if 240 V current is used). The same info, turns out, can be found in the IWII manual (p. 127 in the 1989 version), but I didn't really trust that. Does anyone have any direct experience to the contrary? Just wondering. Chris W. " 682,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Space Clippers launched X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 14 > SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY When I first saw this, I thought for a second that it was a headline from The Star about the pliers found in the SRB recently. Y'know, sometimes they have wire-cutters built in :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 683,12,"From: bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 12 mcole@spock (COLE) writes: >I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out >there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, >etc.? Try lyman.pppl.gov -- /pub/8051 -- Brian Day bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov New Technology, Inc. (205) 461-4584 Mission Software Development Division Opinions are my own - " 684,3,"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 35 In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: > In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, > 20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has > long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" > note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE. There is a premium of approx $200 for the controller. What is nice is being able to run hard disks, tape drives, cd-roms and scanners of one dma channel and interupt! SCSI makes sense is you are going to load up a machine, if you just want a standard box for Windows then IDE makes sense. I have one loaded box that uses SCSI and run Unix and one standard box that runs DOS/Windows that uses IDE. [ By standard I mean - 486, 4-8MB RAM, 200MH disk, S3 video ] > int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the > article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL > implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.} I beleive this last bit is just plain wrong! > SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play > program. Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 " 685,14,"From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) Subject: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 22 And one of my profs is the chief engineer for the project (Dr. Ron Humble, Univ. Colorado at Colorado Springs). I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. Whooooooooshhhhhh...... I hear that it will supposedly coincide with the Atlanta Olympics. Fuzzy. =============================================================================== _ __/| | Lt. David ""Fuzzy"" Wells | ""I want peace on earth, \'o.O' | HQ AFSPACECOM/CNA | goodwill toward men."" =(___)= | ""We do debris"" |""We're the government. We don't do that U ...ack!| wdwells@esprit.uccs.edu | that sort of thing."" -SNEAKERS =============================================================================== " 686,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 169 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis |> |> |> To: shaig@Think.COM |> |> Subject: Ten questions to Israelis |> |> Dear Shai, |> |> In the answer to my first question, concerning the nonexistence of |> Israeli nationality, your answer conflicts with information I have |> received from other quarters, according to which there are two |> distinct categories of classifying Israelis: Citizenship |> (Ezrahut) and Nationality (Le'um). The former is used on passports |> etc, and the later for daily identification in Israeli society. I |> am told that people in Israel have to carry their ID cards at all |> times and present them at many public places, almost every day. |> These ID cards make clear who the holder is, a Jew or an Arab. |> You maintain that this mainly because of religious services |> provided. But do you really believe that this is the reason ? |> Could you provide evidence that this is the case and that it |> serves no other purpose ? A number of points. You are making assumptions about the manner in which the cards are used. True, by law, all residents, citizens, and tourists must carry a form of identification with them. For citizens, the standard ID is the ID card. The purpose this serves on a daily basis, wherein they are presented at public places, is for the purpose of identifying the bearer. This takes place in banks (cashing checks), post offices (registered mail and such), etc... Quite frankly, it was rare that I ever had to present my ID card for such activities more than once per week. There is no law or requirement that forces people to wave their ID cards in public. Furthermore, none of the services I outlined discriminate against the bearer in any manner by having access to this information. The only case that I can think of in which the Le'um field might be taken into account is during interaction with the police, based upon the scenario. In general though, arab citizens are clearly recognizable, as are non-arabs. Your argument therefore becomes moot unless you can provide an example of how this field is being used to discriminate against them officially. |> In the answer to my second questions, concerning the fact that |> Israel has no fixed borders, you state that Israel's borders were |> 'shaped and reshaped by both war and peace'. According to what I |> read, the first Zionists in the beginning of the Century, had |> plans for the Jewish State to extend into what is Lebanon and into |> Transjordan (Jordan). I also read that it was the express wish of |> Ben-Gurion to not declare Israel's borders, when Israel was |> established, as this might restrict Israel's opportunities for |> later expansion. Israel often claims it right of existence on the |> fact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago or that God promised the |> land to them. But according to biblical sources, the area God |> promised would extend all the way to Iraq. And what were the |> borders in biblical times which Israel considers proper to use |> today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what |> it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a |> base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one |> cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a |> number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982). I take issue with your assertions. I think that Arab countries do know that they have nothing to fear from ""Israeli expansionism"". Militarily, Israel is not capable of holding onto large tracts of land under occupation to a hostile, armed, and insurgent population for a sustained period of time. As is, the intifada is heavily taxing the Israeli economy. Proof of this can be seen in the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. Israeli troops pulled back from the Awali, and later from the Litani, in order to control the minimal strip needed to keep towns out of range of Katyusha missile fire. Public opinion in Israel has turned towards settling the intifada via territorial concessions. The Israel public is sufferring from battle fatigue of sorts and the gov't is aware of it. With regards to borders, let me state the following. I may not agree with the manner in which negotiations are being held, however the crux of the matter is that everyone either makes or refrains from stating a starting position. The arab parties have called for total withdrawal and a return to pre-48 borders. If Israel were to state large borders, the negotiations might never get under way. If Israel were to state smaller borders, then the arab countries might try and force even smaller borders during the negotiations. I think that leaving the matter to be settled by negotiations and peace treaties is infinitely more realistic and sensible. |> Your answer to my third question is typical of a Stalinist public |> official. I don't think your answer is honest. You refer me to |> Vanunu's revelations about Israel's nuclear arsenal without |> evaluating the truthfullness of his revelations. Now if he said |> the truth, then why should he been punished, and if he lied, why |> should he be punished? I would appreciate more honesty. Your statement is typical of the simple minded naivety of a ""center for policy research"". Whether or not all of Vanunu's revelations were true has no bearing on the fact that some were. For disclosing ""state secrets"" after having signed contracts and forms with the understanding that said secrets are not to be made public, one should be punished. As to which were and which weren't, I am under no moral obligation to disclose that - quite the reverse in fact. He was taken to court, tried, and found guilty. You may take issue with a number of things but clearly you have no understanding of the concept of ""Secrets of state"", something which every democratic govt has. |> Somebody provided an answer to the fourth question, concerning |> 'hidden prisoners' in Israeli prisons. He posted an article from |> Ma'ariv documenting such cases. It seems that such prisoners do |> exist in Israel. What do you think about that ? I noticed that he was documenting the fact that such prisoners could exist more than he documented the fact that they do exist. The CLU noted, which you evidently did not pay attention to, that they know of no such reports or cases. I am sorry to tell you but in a country of 4 mill, as tightly knit as Israel, even if the matter of the arrest was not made public, within a relatively short time frame, most people would know about it. My own feelings are that the matter of the arrest should be made public unless a court order is issued allowing a delay of X hours. This would be granted only if a judge could be convinced that an announcement would cause irreparable harm to the ongoing investigation. |> You imply that my questions show bias and are formulated in such a |> way to 'cast aspersions upon Israel'. Such terms have often been |> used by the Soviet Union against dissidents: They call the Soviet |> Union into disrepute. If my questions are not disturbing, they |> would not call forth such hysterical answers. My questions are |> clearly provocative but they are meant to seek facts. I would be |> very happy if you could convince me that what I am told about |> Israel were just fabrications, but alas you have failed to do so. |> I suspect that you fear the truth and an open and honest |> discussion. This is a sign of weakness, not of strength. Well, I am sorry to say that your questions are slanted. Such questions are often termed ""tabloid journalism"" and are not disturbing because they avoid any attempt at objectivity. Such questions were often used during the McCarthy era as a basis for the witch-hunts that took place then. To use your own example, these questions might have been lifted from the format used by Stalinist prosecutors that were looking for small bits of evidence that they could distort and portray as a larger and dirtier picture. My answers were not any more ""hysterical"" than the questions themselves. The problem is not that the q's were provocative, it was that they were selective in their fact seeking. You fall into the same category of those who seek ""yes"" ""no"" answers when the real answer is ""of sorts"". I suspect that as long as the answers to these questions is not an unequivocal NO, you would remain unsatified and choose to interprete them as you see fit. A sign of strength is the ability to look You remind me of those mistaken environmentalists who once advocated culling wolves because of the cruelty to deer, only to find that they had broken the food chain and wreaked havoc upon the very environment they sought to protect. The color blindness you exhibit is a true sign of weakness. |> I hope you will muster the courage to seek the full truth. Ditto. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 687,17,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 165 In article <1483500342@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research > Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. > > /* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ > /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Madness."" ---------- */ > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. > > Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's > paper, affiliated with Maariv. > > Date: 19 February 1993 > > Journalist: Guy Ehrlich > > Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan > (Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate > within the occupied territories. > > Excerpts from the article: > > ""A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as > Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most > important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is > that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one > way or another insane"". Gee, I'd better tell this to the Mental Health Branch of the Israeli Army Medical Corps ! Where would we be without you, Davidson ? > > A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name > is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge > from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be > called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to > depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different > from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript > service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely > different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures > about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their > fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they > began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking. > The following article will contain all the horror stories > recounted with an appalling openness. > > (...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in > which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We > called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command > was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common > phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I > should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On > Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to > until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The > keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I > can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't > want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it > instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time > and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only > there I become normal.(...) > > (...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother. > It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to > me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which > was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how > exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began > to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh > straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a > mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov > cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as > they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with > the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I > was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the > Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit > him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off > something. > > Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts > in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that > spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab, > blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut > up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed > straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at > something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All > right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at > another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be > saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the > help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all > this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight > into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt > I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he > omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over > her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know > what to say. > > (...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls > upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a > field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend > shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the Sigh. Four (4) deer in Tel Aviv ?? Well, this is probably as accurate as the rest of this fantasy. > hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it. > We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two > deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we > saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to > such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully > inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of > the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We > had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too, > so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my > revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short > distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the > bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall > outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of > blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our > madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like > beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We > were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we > felt the whole day very badly. > > (...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in. > This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may > be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel > Godlike of sorts."" > > (...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment > studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any > security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why > shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ? > Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver > while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits > me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a > reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to > Bosnia in order to fight there."" > > Transl. by Israel Shahak. > Yisrael Shahak the crackpot chemist ? Figures. I often see him in the Rechavia (Jerusalem) post office. A really sad figure. Actually, I feel sorry for him. He was in a concentration camp during the Holocaust and it must have affected him deeply. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL " 688,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? Distribution: na Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 7 In article almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes: > ""hose"" h-o-s-e Dork. d-o-r-k. " 689,3,"From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge) Subject: Re: DOS 6.0 Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA Distribution: na Lines: 22 In article <4903@eastman.UUCP> lrxi00@icts01.Kodak.COM (James Nonnemacher) writes: >Is there enough experience out in netland with DOS 6.0 that anyone could make some comments on whether >or not it's a worthwhile upgrade? Any problems with hardware compatibility or any bugs been found? > >One thing I wonder about is the disk doubler included with DOS 6.0. Is there any possiblity that if >the disk double .exe file gets corrupted your disk would be unreadable? How would one recover from >such an event? The file that would be a problem is DBLSPACE.BIN, not .EXE. /\_/\ ARF!! (0 0) +==========================----oOO--(_)--OOo----============================+ \ Bill Burge burge@qdeck.com / ^--- ""and his dog Spot"" / \ Problem Resolution & Prevention \ BBS - (310) 314-3227 (N-8-1) / \ Quarterdeck Office Systems / FAX - (310) 314-3217 / \ \ QFAX- (310) 314-3214 / \ Tech Support - support@qdeck.com / (This is an automated ""request / \ Gen'l Info - info@qdeck.com \ FAX"" system, call it from the / \ CompuServe - GO QUARTERDECK / handset on your FAX) / +==================================+========================================+ " 690,19,"Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 160 Dan Sorenson (viking@iastate.edu) writes: #In mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary) #writes: # Just thought I'd clear up a few of the murky areas... # #>Actually, after surviving being driven out of Nauvoo, and later Carthage, #>the Mormons DID fortify Utah. They still arm themselves to ""defend the #>faith"", and stockpile food as well. They have been involved in quite a #>lot of illegal activity - including multiple (and often underage) wives #>for the leaders - a practice still in vogue with some splinters of their #>sect. The parallels between Koresh and Joseph Smith are striking. # ^^^^^^^^^^^^ By ""they,"" you mean the leaders of the lds church? I grant you that when Joseph Smith was still alive, plenty of ""accusations"" were filed, most of which had little bearing with reality, as evidenced by various verdicts. I have studied lds history for 15 years now, and I have yet to see prove that the lds leadership was involved, in quote: ""illegal activities."" Plural marriage, yes, but your charge of ""underage"" wives sounds like it could have originated from a tabloid, and discredits the high moral standards which characterized these leaders and families, unlike, as it appears, those of David Koresh. # Joseph Smith started the sect. After he and his brother Hyram #were murdered in a Nauvoo, Il. jail cell, church membership split over #who to follow. Initially, Smith was considered a prophet (just like #Mohammed, a rather interesting parallel considering Muslims consider #Christ to be a prophet the same as Jews, I'm led to understand. Make #no mistake, this was no messiah we're talking about in Smith). The And neither did he claim he was. As the church reflects the moral aptitude of its leaders (and especially those of Joseph Smith), I have nothing but the highest respect for this inspired man, whose only ""crime"" was that he refused to deny that he had seen a vision... Many have tried to explain the ""Smith phenomenon"" away, but the bold presence of an 8.5 million member strong church stands as a witness that Joseph Smith's testimony had enough resilience and power to carry on the message. #thought at the time was that the gift of prophecy was to be handed #down father to son. After Joseph Smith died, his son was only #entering his teens. Brigham Young and a few others claimed to have #been bequeathed the gift and leadership prior to his death. The #Council of Twelve, the Church governing body, wasn't of much help #here, and this basic conflict is still a wedge between the sects. #Brigham Young took his followers to Salt Lake. The rest waited #for Smith Jr. to grow up enough to assume leadership. The other #claimants to the leadership were soon ignored, like Mike Dukakis. ;-) ""The rest"" were apostates and excommunicated members of the Church, while the great majority of the membership, the Twelve, and the various auxiliary organizations, chose to accept Brigham Young as the new prophet and leader of the Church. If you knew your lds scriptures and doctrine, you would have known that Brigham Young was the FIRST in line to fill the prophet Joseph Smith's vacancy: he was the senior apostle in the Quorum, and various comments made by Joseph indicated that it was Brigham who would lead the latter-day exodus to the West. Other rightful ""heirs"" were either dead (Hyrum Smith) or excommunicated (Oliver Cowdery), and while persecutions abounded and intensified, Joseph Smith had already given orders to look for a new place, an empty land beyond the boundaries of the United States (at that time). This ""Rekhabite"" principle (pseudographia) was well understood and antipated by the great majority of lds faithful, and was not questioned by them. Granted, a couple of ""do-it-yourselfers"" stayed behind, unwilling to sacrifice and to undertake the perilous journey to the unknown, but this also was necessary to separate the tares from the wheat. The church benefitted from this purification process: they became even more unified and willing to carry out their mission to the world. # Both sects practiced the ""1-year food stockpile"" doctrine, #and this being frontier and farming country most carried or at #least owned weapons. There is little evidence that they were a #militaristic sect, given that they tended to move on rather than #face large-scale opposition. Brigham Young, having suffered a #great deal getting to Salt Lake, seems to have been quite #justified in making military training a good thing. Remember, #this was far beyond where even the US Army went, and these people #had nobody to turn to save themselves. # # Just a little context to put this all in perspective. BTW, since when is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (one of the largest denominations in the country) a ""sect""??? It didn't ""splinter"" from any other religion, as did say, the Southern Baptists or Methodists. #>So what did the Mormons get? It seems that J. Edgar Hoover was very #>impressed with the way they kept secrets. (They're pledged to defend #>secrets with their lives and atone for sin with blood. Many actually #>do - even to the point of suicide.) What a balloney. Suicide is sinful and against the law of God. I am not comfortable with this alleged ""cosiness"" with Mammon: I assure you that *many* among us reject this attitude categorically. Period. Our ONLY true allegiance is to our God and to the leaders which He has appointed to represent Him. In any regard, to read this TRASH (about suicide and ""atone for sins with blood"") is yet another insulting misrepresentation of what my church believes in and stands for... # # The RLDS, the Reorganized LDS, are friendly rivals of the LDS #and delight in telling stories about them, which generates quick retorts #from the LDS members and everybody has a grand time. At no time have #I ever even heard this hinted at. I'm taking it with a salt block. Make it a really big salt mountain with a glacier on top. #> So he hired virtually no one but #>Mormons, until the FBI was almost exclusively staffed by members of the #>Church of Later Day Saints. Though J. Edgar is finally gone, the FBI #>personnel (especially the field agents) are still heavily Mormon. #>I have often wondered how this might affect the FBI's treatment #>of religious organizations a Mormon would consider heretical. Preposterous. Even if this were true (reliable data, please), I am convinced that those officers would perform to the highest codes of honor and conduct (that's why they were selected for in the first place, remember?). Besides, one of our Articles of Faith STRONGLY states the principle of freedom of religion, and that all people are free to worship ""*how*, *where*, or *what* they may."" # If it's true, there would be little affect. LDS and RLDS #philosophy is that all other religions have strayed from the true #Church as set down by Jesus, but that God will judge each on his #own merits. In addition, the RLDS also contend (and the LDS may #as well) that ignorance of the True Way (tm) is an excuse. You #can only be condemned if you had been tought the way and rejected #it. In short, LDS and RLDS suffer everybody from Lutherans to #Buddhists, secure in the knowledge that though they are wrong they #will not be penalized for ignorance. It is more likely that Hoover #liked them because of their rather strict upbringings which forbade #alcohol, tobacco, hot drink (like coffee or tea), and the like. #These people are the ""salt of the Earth"" and as such are more #easily made to follow orders and have few vices to be used against them. A good explanation, I can accept that. You are right that lds people are sometimes a little too cosy with Mammon's ""orders"" (the late president Kimball, for example, was an exception with his strong opposition of the selection of the MX ""Peace Keeper"" missile maze in Utah). # That's my somewhat educated guess, anyway. Both sects have #splinter groups that don't mirror the masses, but these are small #and rare, and hardly worth noting their common ancestry. # # None of this has any relevance to guns, though. When a #man's religion is used to deny him the right of self-protection with #the weapons suitable for the job, he'll find an ally in me. # #< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > #< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > #< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > #< unusual people. And flame them. > Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu UCS Computer Facilities " 691,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: God, morality, and massacres Lines: 258 A listmember (D Andrew Killie, I think) wrote, in response to the suggestion that genocide may sometimes be the will of God: > Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, > and unworthy of my worship or faith. Nobuya ""Higgy"" Higashiyama replied (as, in substance, did others): > Where is your source of moral standards by which you judge God's > behavior? It is often argued that we have no standing by which to judge God's actions. Who is the clay to talk back to the potter? But we find a contrary view in Scripture. When God proposes to destroy the city of Sodom (Genesis 18), Abraham says: + Suppose that there are some good men in the city. + Will you destroy the righteous along with the wicked? + Far be it from you, Lord, to do such a thing! + Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? I am told that the Hebrew is actually a bit stronger than this, and can perhaps be better rendered (dynamic equivalence) as + Shame on you, Lord, if you do such a thing! There are those who say that the definition of ""good"" is ""whatever God happens to want."" But if that is so, then the statement that God is good has no meaning. It simply says that God does what He wants. That being the case, no one can either love or obey God because He is good. The only motive left for obeying Him is that He is powerful. Just as it makes sense to obey a dictator, even when he tells you to round up all Jews and exterminate them, because if you defy him you might end up in the gas chamber yourself, so it makes sense to obey God, because He has the power to punish you if you don't. This ethical theory I take to be in radical contradiction to Genesis 18 and to Christianity in general. Any theory that makes our moral judgements worthless makes any further discussion of morality (or of the goodness of God) meaningless. However, it does not follow that our moral judgements are always infallible in particular cases, still less our judgements in particular cases about the course of action most likely to achieve a good result. When I read the Scriptural accounts of the actions of God in history, those actions often seem to me very different from what I might expect of a God who loves us and desires what is best for us. Moreover, leaving the Scriptures aside, and considering the natural world, I find that Nature is often very different from what I might expect if it were the work of a benevolent deity. (Origen said: ""Those who believe that the Author of Nature is also the Author of the Scriptures must expect to find in the Scriptures the same sort of difficulties that they find in Nature."") Now, that some such difficulties should exist is not in itself an argument against the existence, power, wisdom, and goodness of God. On the contrary, their ABSENCE would be such an argument. Suppose that I am watching Bobby Fisher play chess, and suppose that every time he makes a move, I find myself nodding and saying: ""Good move! Just what I was expecting him to do. Same move I would have made if I were playing."" That would be a sign that Fisher is no better a chess player than myself. Given that he is better, I expect that at least some of his moves will have me thinking, ""Now, what do suppose induced him to do that?"" or even, ""Boy, that was a real slip -- he's just thrown the game away!"" Similarly, if God understands the workings of the universe better than I do, it is to be expected that sometimes it will look to me as if He has made a mistake. One difference between Fisher at the chessboard and God at the controls of the universe is that I can see the end of the chess game. If Fisher wins, I revise my earlier inference that it was carelessness that made him lose his queen 23 moves earlier. However, if he loses, and particularly if I can see that there was a time when he had an opportunity for a checkmate in two moves and did not take it, then I know that he is not as good a player as I had thought. With God, on the other hand, I shall not in this life see the total result of some of His actions. Therefore, my grounds for judging that I have seen a bad move on His part must always be far shakier than my grounds for making a similar judgement about Fisher. ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** In the book of Genesis, we read that Joseph's ten older brothers, who (with good reason) found him insufferable, conspired to sell him into slavery in Egypt. There he eventually became Viceroy, and when there was a famine in Canaan, he was able to provide for his family. When his brothers nervously apologized, he told them: ""Do not worry. You meant to do me evil, but God turned it into good."" I once heard a rabbi speak on this text. He said: The history of the Jews is largely a history of events that look like catastrophes that threaten the continued survival of the religion, or the people, or both. But, amazingly, those events turn out to be the saving of the Jews and of Judaism. The sale of Joseph by his brothers looked like the breakup of the family. But in fact, it ended with a reconciliation of the quarrel between them. The famine that drove the family out of Canaan looked like a misfortune for them. But in fact, if they had stayed in Canaan, they would almost certainly have intermarried with the Canaanites and been assimilated into their culture. Their oppression by the Egyptians a few generations after their arrival in Egypt again looked like a disaster. But God used it to bring them out of Egypt, and into the Promised Land. Here the people built a Temple, and regularly offered sacrifices. But the Babylonians captured Jerusalem and Judea, destroyed Temple and city and countryside, and deported most of the people to Babylon. You might have thought that that would be the end of the people and the religion. But it was not. Living in Canaan, the people had been under constant danger of assimilation. Again and again, they had turned from the worship of the LORD to the worship of the Canaanite fertility cults, with their ritual prostitution and ritual human sacrifice. The Babylonian captivity put a stop to that. Never again did the Jews show any interest in polytheism or idolatry. Neither the worship of the Canaanites mor that of the Babylonians ever again had a foothold among them. Nor is that all. Judaism had been in danger of becoming simply a system of sacrifices and Temple observances. The only prescribed acts of worship consisted of coming to Jerusalem every so often and offering a sacrifice. During the Captivity, with the Temple gone, the Jews invented the synagogue, a place of meeting for reading and study and discussion of the Scriptures. They came to realize clearly, what they were in danger of forgetting while they continued to live in Judea, that God is not simply a local or tribal deity, not just the controller of the land of Canaan, or the patron of the Jewish people, but the Creator of the world, and the Ruler and Judge of all humans everywhere. Time passed, and the Babylonian Empire was replaced by that of the Persians, and then that of the Greeks, or rather the Macedonians. The ruler, Antiochus Epiphanes, was determined to stamp out Judaism, and to this end he made the reading and the study of the Torah punishable by death. Again, one might think that this would be the end of Judaism. But it was not. The people met for worship, and instead of reading the Torah portion appointed for the day, they would read some passage from the prophets that had a similar theme, and then discuss that. Before this time, the Torah, the so-called Five Books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) were the only books read and studied in the synagogue. If it had not been for Antiochus, the books of the prophets would probably have been forgotten altogether. His hatred for Judaism saved them. [Other examples here omitted for brevity's sake.] Some of you may remember that Julie Andrews first became famous as Eliza Doolittle in the stage production of MY FAIR LADY. When Warner Brothers undertook to make a movie of it, everyone expected that Julie, who had been so magnificent on stage, would play the same role in the movie. Instead, the studio decided to go with an established screen star, and cast Audrey Hepburn. Julie Andrews was naturally crushed. But she later realized that if she had played the screen role, she would have been type-cast for life as an Elize Doolittle type. It would have been a disaster for her. As it was, Walt Disney offered her the role of Mary Poppins, and she won an Oscar for it. At the presentation, she stood there, smiling, and looking at Walt Disney, she said, ""And now, my special thanks to the man who made all this possible -- JACK WARNER!"" It was the most memorable line of the evening. In a similar spirit, we Jews might thank the men who in the providence of God have preserved Judaism, and kept it alive to this day, beginning with Joseph's brothers, and continuing with two Pharaohs, with Nebuchadnezzar, with Antiochus Epiphanes.... After the formal meeting had broken up, one woman came up to him privately and said, ""You were talking about the Holocaust, weren't you?"" He answered, ""If that is an example that came to your mind, then you are right, I was talking about it to you. But I would not talk about it to everyone, for not everyone can bear it."" I assume that he meant that, without the Holocaust, there would have been no state of Israel. Someone hearing the rabbi's lecture might leap to the conclusion that God is dependent on the wickedness of men to accomplish His purposes -- or at least that the rabbi thought so. He might then go on to suppose that the wickedness is in fact God's doing -- that He stirred up Joseph's brothers to a murderous hate against him, and that when the Israelites were in Egypt, God hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he oppressed the people, and would not let them go. And this raises questions about how an action can be considered wicked and at the same time be considered something that God has brought about. I suggest another way of looking at it. Consider a sculptor who has a log of wood from which he proposes to carve a statue. But the log, instead of having a smooth even grain throughout, has a large knot that spoils the appearance of the surface. The sculptor considers the wood for a while, and then carves a statue that features the knot, that makes that particular interruption in the grain and color of the wood correspond to some feature of the statue, so that observers will say: ""How fortunate the sculptor was in finding a piece of wood with a knot like that in just the right place. Its presence is the crowning touch, the thing that makes the statue a great work of art."" In reality, the knot, far from being what the sculptor was looking for, was a challenge to his skill. If the wood had not contained that flaw, he would still have made a great work of art, but a different one. So, if Joseph's brothers had not sold him, God would still have brought about His purposes for the Jewish people, but He would have done so in another manner. If Judas had not betrayed Jesus, if Caiaphas and his fellow leaders had not rejected Jesus, but had rather acknowledged Him as the Annointed of God, if Pilate had followed his conscience rather than his fears and had set Jesus free, it might appear that there would have been no Crucifixion, and therefore no Redemption, and therefore no Salvation. Not so. God did not need Judas' sin to redeem us. If Judas had done right, then God in Christ would still have reconciled the world to Himself. We do not know how, just as we do not know how Michelangelo would have painted the Sistine Chapel if its interior had instead been shaped like Grand Central Station, and just as we do not know how Bobby Fisher would have won his fourth game agianst Spassky if Spassky had refused the exchange of bishops and had attacked Fisher's knight instead (don't bother to look up the game in question--I am making up this example, but the point is none the less valid). Thus, we may say both (1) that God used, say, the cowardice of Pilate to accomplish His purposes, and (2) that the said cowardice was not God's doing, and that Pilate would not have thwarted God's plans by behaving justly and courageously. What, then, are we to make of the place where God says to Moses, ""I will harden Pharaoh's heart, so that he will not let the people go""? Some Christians have taken this to mean that Pharaoh was a puppet with God pulling the strings, and that his stubbornness and cruelty were not his own work, but the work of God in him. I suppose rather that what God was telling Moses was something like this: ""If you see that Pharaoh is not willing to let the people go, do not be discouraged, or suppose that the situation is out of my control. My purposes will not be thwarted. If Pharaoh chooses to hear you and let the people go, well and good. If he does not, I will fit his resistance into my plans, and fit it so perfectly that future historians and theologians will suppose that I would have been thrown for a loss if Pharaoh had obeyed me."" To return to the question that started this all off. Is it possible that the Serbs, in slaughtering the Moslems of Bosnia, are instruments of God's will? First point. What they are doing is wrong, just as what Joseph's brothers did was wrong, just as what Judas did was wrong. They intend it for evil. If God somehow brings good out of it, that does not make them any less subject to just condemnation and punishment. Second point. Of course, God will bring good out of it. But not the same good that He would have brought if the Serbians had refrained from the sins of robbery and rape and murder. Nor does the good He purposes excuse us from the duty of doing what is right. Yours, James Kiefer " 692,0,"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com In article <65882@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: }>For several years I've periodically asked Charley Wingate to explain this }>mythical alternative to rationality which he propounds so enthusiastically }>when he pops up every few months. His reluctance to explain indicates to me }>that it's not so hot. } }I've said enough times that there is no ""alternative"" that should think you }might have caught on by now. And there is no ""alternative"", but the point }is, ""rationality"" isn't an alternative either. The problems of metaphysical }and religious knowledge are unsolvable-- or I should say, humans cannot }solve them. If there is truly no alternative, then you have no basis whatsoever for your claim. The usual line here, which you call ""a prejudgment of atheism"", and dispute, is that reason is all we have. Here you admit that you have no alternative, no possible basis for the claim that there is anything other than reason or that reason is inapplicable in religious knowledge, except possibly that reason conflicts with ""religious knowledge"". This sounds very much like ""I can't provide a rational defense for my belief, but prefer to discard rationality rather than accept that it may be false"". I hope it makes you happy, but your repeated and unfounded assertions to this effect don't advance your cause. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. " 693,7,"From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) Subject: Re: Eagle Talon TSi--LEMON? Nntp-Posting-Host: frieda.mitre.org Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA Lines: 77 In rec.autos Jay Lorenzana wrote: > >Dear Netters: > >I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD. I would be concerned about how the car was driven and how well it was maintained. I own a turbocharged one, and I would never buy a turbocharged vehicle unless I knew the owner and his/her driving/maintenance habits. >Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the >April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid! I have been wondering about that myself. The '90 AWD models and the '91s were identical (except for the ABS option). >In particular, the manual transmission, Yes. Some owners had problems with the transaxles. Using synthetic lubricants in the transaxles solved the problem in most cases. The problem was not unique to the AWDs, however. It was common to all models. The Galant VR4 and GSX had the same transaxle, but I didn't see those listed in CR. >electrical system, I don't know of any major complaints in this area, except that the battery that was installed at the factory had a low current rating. >and brakes were below par (in both models). The first FWD models (those built before May 1989) were recalled for brake upgrades. Some FWD and AWD owners had problems with warped rotors. Those of us who insist on using manual torque wrenches every time the lug nuts are tightened have never had a problem. >A friend of mine >ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads), I can refer you to someone who has gone through a set of pads in one day! It all depends on how you drive. It seems that most owners have been getting between 40-70k on a set of pads. >one stuck valve, First time I hear about a problem with the valve train on these cars, other than timing belt failures. >and some clutch/transmission problem, something >about sticking/grinding into second gear. This doesn't seem >too bad if one ""beats"" on his car. If your friend ""beats"" on the car, then his unit is not a representative sample of the car's reliability. My suggestion is instead of listening to the useless Consumer Reports, talk to several owners (the mailing list may be the best way to reach a few of them). >I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks. Seems >you have to pay big buck if you want all three. Anyway can >anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any >problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it. #if (humor_impaired) skip_to TheEnd No matter how much you pay, you won't get all three. Examples: NSX: reliability and looks. Ferrari: reliability ^H^H^H^H^H^H (yeah, right!) speed and looks TheEnd -- The opinions stated above are not necessarily my employer's. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Roberto L. Landrau KC1YP landrau@mitre.org rll@linus.mitre.org The MITRE Corporation Bedford, MA 01730 rll@linus.UUCP " 694,12,"From: swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) Subject: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: University of Technology, Sydney Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au Summary: Cooling Towers?. Anyone know how they work? Keywords: Nuclear Organisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that this board would be most appropriate. I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? I hope someone can help " 695,15,"From: kene@acs.bu.edu (Kenneth Engel) Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 32 Let me tell you my story. I grew up catholic. Up until I was 14, it wasn't an issue for me. Then I met a born-again christian, a very sweet person, not proseletyzing(sp?), not imposing. I tried to get into being as christian as I could, as I felt I 'should'. But the more I tried, the more depressed I got. I felt guilty for some of my own personal, honest feelings. I tried so hard to reconcile this conflict. until I was 23. Then I taught myself to think rationally. I read a lot of books, pro and con religion in general and, specifically, catholicism. I came to a crisis point, then it finally clicked and now I am a staunch atheist. This is a very loose explanation, but it's the gist of it. Now, (at 26) I feel better about myself, better self-esteem, a generally stronger person. I have well-defined goals. I have a strong and stable sense of morals and values. I am not a neo-nazi or a corrupt politicain, etc. I believe in human rights and 'live and let live' among other things. I am very anti-violent and anti-hatred. (This is to debunk the myth that atheists are depraved.) Religion has no place in my system. Tough. Bertrand Russell said that we cannot *know* god doesn't exist, we can't prove it. So, in that sense, we can only truly be agnostic. But, for all practical purposes there is no god. Thanqs ken engel kene@acs.bu.edu " 696,4,From: erme@pobox.upenn.edu (Erme Maula) Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC! Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: pobox.upenn.edu this is a test -- **************************************************************************** Erme 697,8,"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short? Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.170445.18331@ncar.ucar.edu> bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes: >Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great! >Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28"" seat. This is not great. So far, >the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440. Look for a happier-looking KZ440? Suzuki used to have an L designation, for example my former boss had a GS850L which had a seat a couple inches lower than the ""regular"" GS850, but it was certainly no cruiser. -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) -- '80 BMW R65 DoD #0969 also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al. " 698,16,"From: clay@rsd.dl.nec.com (Clay Finley) Subject: Re: Carrying Arms Nntp-Posting-Host: rsd21.rsd.dl.nec.com Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept Distribution: usa Lines: 22 |> In article <1993Apr5.220457.6800@spdc.ti.com> dwhite@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Dan White) writes: |> |> >However, haven't we already lost our right to bear arms? |> |> > It seems that in most states, like Texas, a citizen may own a |> >gun and carry while at his home or business. But a citizen is severely |> >restricted from bearing outside these areas. Here in Texas you cannot |> >carry in your car except when ""traveling"" which is usually defined as |> >""traveling across a county line."" How did this come about? Are there |> >any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a |> >weapon outside the home? |> In Texas, it is legal to carry handguns while ""traveling"", and also to and from sporting activities. ^^^^^^^^ Chapter 46 of the Texas State Penal Code does NOT restrict long guns. Therefore, it is legal to carry and transport long guns any place in Texas. Regards, Clay " 699,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Re: Bat-helmet. Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 49 CBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin CBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet CBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his CBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth CBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of CBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better CBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy. CBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE. He's Batman. CBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain? So let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet. He drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it? Hidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain. Also, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would have made getting my license a lot easier! There's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only in Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a BAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . . Let's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD sticker. Actually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both comic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like to become an honorary Denizen! Yeah! Special To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary member with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the Bat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary Internet access. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * My (virtual) reality check just bounced. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 700,0,"From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 28 1. Did you read the FAQs? 2. If NO, Read the FAQs. 3. IF YES, you wouldn't have posted such drivel. The ""Lord, Liar or Lunatic"" argument is a false trilemma. Even if you disprove Liar and Lunatic (which you haven't), you have not eliminated the other possibilities, such as Mistaken, Misdirected, or Misunderstood. You have arbitrarily set up three and only three possibilities without considering others. 4. Read a good book on rhetoric and critical thinking. If you think the ""Lord, Liar, or Lunatic"" discussion is an example of a good argument, you are in need of learning. 5. Read the FAQs again, especially ""Constructing a Logical Argument."" Ignore these instructions at your peril. Disobeying them leaves you open for righteous flaming. -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553 Kids, please don't try this at home. Remember, I post professionally. " 701,11,"From: ninassup@athena.mit.edu (Nikos I Nassuphis) Subject: LGA ncrypt source Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 1135 NNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-104.mit.edu I got a number of requests for code. So, here it is. Its written in 80x86 ASM. Borland TASM will do. TASM LGA.ASM TLINK /t LGA.ASM The code: ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; LGA ncryption ; (C) by Nick Nassuphis ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- CODE SEGMENT ASSUME CS:CODE, DS:CODE ORG 100h Start: JMP Begin ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Gas particle assigment: ; ; BIT 0 particle moving EAST ; BIT 1 particle moving WEST ; BIT 2 particle moving NORTH ; BIT 3 particle moving SOUTH ; ; BIT 4 particle moving EAST ; BIT 5 particle moving WEST ; BIT 6 particle moving NORTH ; BIT 7 particle moving SOUTH ; ; ; Collisiong Rules: ; ; 1. Gas Rules ; ; IF (E & W) AND !(N & S) THEN (E,W)->(N,S) ; IF (N & S) AND !(E & W) THEN (N,S)->(E,W) ; ; for nibbles: ; ; 1100 -> 0011 ; 0011 -> 0011 ; ; and for bytes: ; ; 11000000 -> 00110000 ; 00110000 -> 11000000 ; 00001100 -> 00000011 ; 00000011 -> 00001100 ; 00110011 -> 11001100 ; 00111100 -> 11000011 ; 11000011 -> 00111100 ; 11001100 -> 00110011 ; ; ; 2. 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11111010B ;11111010 DB 11111011B ;11111011 DB 11110011B ;11111100 DB 11111101B ;11111101 DB 11111110B ;11111110 DB 11111111B ;11111111 ; ; This rule implements the velocity-reversal needed to ; run the gas evolution in reverse. Its called a WallRule ; because its the same as is all particles hit a wall ; head on. ; WallRule: DB 00000000B ;00000000 DB 00000010B ;00000001 DB 00000001B ;00000010 DB 00001100B ;00000011 DB 00001000B ;00000100 DB 00001010B ;00000101 DB 00001001B ;00000110 DB 00001011B ;00000111 DB 00000100B ;00001000 DB 00000110B ;00001001 DB 00000101B ;00001010 DB 00000111B ;00001011 DB 00000011B ;00001100 DB 00001110B ;00001101 DB 00001101B ;00001110 DB 00001111B ;00001111 DB 00100000B ;00010000 DB 00100010B ;00010001 DB 00100001B ;00010010 DB 00101100B ;00010011 DB 00101000B ;00010100 DB 00101010B ;00010101 DB 00101001B ;00010110 DB 00101011B ;00010111 DB 00100100B ;00011000 DB 00100110B ;00011001 DB 00100101B ;00011010 DB 00100111B ;00011011 DB 00100011B ;00011100 DB 00101110B ;00011101 DB 00101101B ;00011110 DB 00101111B ;00011111 DB 00010000B ;00100000 DB 00010010B ;00100001 DB 00010001B ;00100010 DB 00011100B ;00100011 DB 00011000B ;00100100 DB 00011010B ;00100101 DB 00011001B ;00100110 DB 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01010110B ;10101001 DB 01010101B ;10101010 DB 01010111B ;10101011 DB 01010011B ;10101100 DB 01011110B ;10101101 DB 01011101B ;10101110 DB 01011111B ;10101111 DB 01110000B ;10110000 DB 01110010B ;10110001 DB 01110001B ;10110010 DB 01111100B ;10110011 DB 01111000B ;10110100 DB 01111010B ;10110101 DB 01111001B ;10110110 DB 01111011B ;10110111 DB 01110100B ;10111000 DB 01110110B ;10111001 DB 01110101B ;10111010 DB 01110111B ;10111011 DB 01110011B ;10111100 DB 01111110B ;10111101 DB 01111101B ;10111110 DB 01111111B ;10111111 DB 00110000B ;11000000 DB 00110010B ;11000001 DB 00110001B ;11000010 DB 00111100B ;11000011 DB 00111000B ;11000100 DB 00111010B ;11000101 DB 00111001B ;11000110 DB 00111011B ;11000111 DB 00110100B ;11001000 DB 00110110B ;11001001 DB 00110101B ;11001010 DB 00110111B ;11001011 DB 00110011B ;11001100 DB 00111110B ;11001101 DB 00111101B ;11001110 DB 00111111B ;11001111 DB 11100000B ;11010000 DB 11100010B ;11010001 DB 11100001B ;11010010 DB 11101100B ;11010011 DB 11101000B ;11010100 DB 11101010B ;11010101 DB 11101001B ;11010110 DB 11101011B ;11010111 DB 11100100B ;11011000 DB 11100110B ;11011001 DB 11100101B ;11011010 DB 11100111B ;11011011 DB 11100011B ;11011100 DB 11101110B ;11011101 DB 11101101B ;11011110 DB 11101111B ;11011111 DB 11010000B ;11100000 DB 11010010B ;11100001 DB 11010001B ;11100010 DB 11011100B ;11100011 DB 11011000B ;11100100 DB 11011010B ;11100101 DB 11011001B ;11100110 DB 11011011B ;11100111 DB 11010100B ;11101000 DB 11010110B ;11101001 DB 11010101B ;11101010 DB 11010111B ;11101011 DB 11010011B ;11101100 DB 11011110B ;11101101 DB 11011101B ;11101110 DB 11011111B ;11101111 DB 11110000B ;11110000 DB 11110010B ;11110001 DB 11110001B ;11110010 DB 11111100B ;11110011 DB 11111000B ;11110100 DB 11111010B ;11110101 DB 11111001B ;11110110 DB 11111011B ;11110111 DB 11110100B ;11111000 DB 11110110B ;11111001 DB 11110101B ;11111010 DB 11110111B ;11111011 DB 11110011B ;11111100 DB 11111110B ;11111101 DB 11111101B ;11111110 DB 11111111B ;11111111 MAXBYTE EQU 55 LINENO EQU 23 SrcPtr DW OFFSET Buffer1 DesPtr DW OFFSET Buffer2 SaveBuff: DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) Buffer1: DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) DB 256 DUP(0) Buffer2: DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) DB 256 DUP(0) ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; ; ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- Data: DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" This is a test for a Lattice Gas based encryption "" DB "" algorithm. The data is encoded as particles of a "" DB "" digital gas, whose time evolution is then simulated "" DB "" with a cellular-automaton type algorithm. Decryption "" DB "" can be achieved by running the simulation in reverse. "" DB "" A thermodynamic argument ensures that even if a single"" DB "" bit is flipped, no decryption of the data is possible "" DB "" "" DB "" After the gas is let to evolve for 256 timesteps, "" DB "" one can either run the reverse evolution by pressing "" DB "" space, or flip a bit and then run by pressing '0' "" DB "" "" DB "" For a cryptographic application, the key would consist"" DB "" of the number of time steps and the time and location "" DB "" of specific bit inversions. "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" ; ; Fill the gas with a piece of code ; InitGas: MOV DI,CS:SrcPtr MOV SI,OFFSET Data MOV CX,LINENO IG0: PUSH DI PUSH CX MOV CX,MAXBYTE IG1: MOV AL,CS:[SI] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP IG1 POP CX POP DI ADD DI,MAXBYTE LOOP IG0 MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV DI,OFFSET InitGas MOV CX,MAXBYTE*3 MOV AL,0 LG2: MOV BYTE PTR CS:[SI],AL NOT AL INC SI LOOP LG2 RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Display gas molecules bouncing around ; ShowGas: PUSH ES PUSH SI PUSH DI PUSH CX PUSH BX MOV AX,0B800h MOV ES,AX MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV DI,160*2+10*2 MOV CX,LINENO-3 ADD SI,MAXBYTE*3 SG1: PUSH CX PUSH DI MOV CX,MAXBYTE SG2: MOV AL,CS:[SI] MOV BYTE PTR ES:[DI],AL INC SI ADD DI,2 DEC CX JNZ SG2 POP DI POP CX ADD DI,160 LOOP SG1 POP BX POP CX POP DI POP SI POP ES RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data ; CS:DI -> Destination of Data ; ScanOneMiddleLine: ; ; first byte is a special case because of warparound ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI+(MAXBYTE-1)] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI ; ; middle bytes can be handled in a loop ; MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 SOL1: MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP SOL1 ; ; last byte is also special ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data ; CS:DI -> Destination of Data ; ScanFirstLine: ; ; first byte is a special case because of warparound ; MOV BL,0 MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI ; ; middle bytes can be handled in a loop ; MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 SFL1: MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP SFL1 ; ; last byte is also special ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data ; CS:DI -> Destination of Data ; ScanLastLine: ; ; first byte is a special case because of warparound ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI+(MAXBYTE-1)] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI ; ; middle bytes can be handled in a loop ; MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 SLL1: MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP SLL1 ; ; last byte is also special ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Invert all velocities in the gas ; InvertAll: PUSH BX PUSH CX PUSH SI MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV BX,0 MOV CX,LINENO IA1: PUSH CX MOV CX,MAXBYTE IA2: MOV BL,CS:[SI] MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + (OFFSET WallRule)] MOV CS:[SI],AL INC SI LOOP IA2 POP CX LOOP IA1 POP SI POP CX POP BX RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; IterateOnce: MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV DI,CS:DesPtr MOV CS:SrcPtr,DI MOV CS:DesPtr,SI PUSH SI PUSH DI CALL ScanFirstLine POP DI POP SI ADD SI,MAXBYTE ADD DI,MAXBYTE MOV CX,LINENO-2 ; dont scan first and last L1: PUSH SI PUSH DI PUSH CX CALL ScanOneMiddleLine POP CX POP DI POP SI ADD SI,MAXBYTE ADD DI,MAXBYTE LOOP L1 PUSH SI PUSH DI CALL ScanLastLine POP SI POP DI L3: RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Iterate HPP rule CX times ; Iterate: PUSH CX CALL IterateOnce POP CX CALL ShowGas LOOP Iterate RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Iterate HPP rule CX times ; IterateUntil: MOV SI,0 MOV CX,OFFSET IU4 - OFFSET IU3 IU00: MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[SI + OFFSET IU3] XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI + OFFSET IU4],AL INC SI LOOP IU00 IU0: CALL IterateOnce CALL ShowGas MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV CX,MAXBYTE*3 MOV BX,0 MOV AH,0 MOV AL,255 IU1: MOV BL,BYTE PTR CS:[SI] MOV DL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX+WallRule] NOT AH XOR DL,AH AND AL,DL INC SI LOOP IU1 MOV SI,0 MOV CX,OFFSET IU4 - OFFSET IU3 IU2: MOV AH,BYTE PTR CS:[SI+OFFSET IU4] AND AH,AL XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI+OFFSET IU3],AH INC SI LOOP IU2 JMP IU3 IU3: MOV AX,OFFSET IU0 PUSH AX RET DB 256 DUP(90h) IU4: PUSH AX PUSH BX PUSH CX PUSH DX PUSH DS MOV AH,9 MOV DX,CS:MsgPtr INT 21H POP DS POP DX POP CX POP BX POP AX RET DB 512 DUP(90h) MsgPtr DW OFFSET Msg Msg DB ""This message is printed out by"",10,13 DB ""code decrypted using data from the lattice"",10,13 DB ""which was applied to the decoding routine"",10,13 DB ""after every time step"",10,13 DB ""The decoding function left the code unchanged"",10,13 DB ""except after the gas evolution had completelly"",10,13 DB ""reversed the thermalization"",10,13,""$"" TIMES EQU 16 ; 256 repetitions are enough to ; ""equilibrate"" the gas Begin: MOV AX,0600h MOV BH,7 MOV DH,25 MOV DL,80 MOV CX,0 INT 10h MOV AH,2 MOV BH,0 MOV DH,24 MOV DL,0 INT 10h CALL InitGas CALL ShowGas MOV AH,0 INT 16h PUSH CX MOV CX,TIMES CALL Iterate CALL InvertAll CALL ShowGas MOV AH,0 INT 16h CMP AL,""0"" JNE Begin0 MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI],10000001B Begin0: MOV CX,TIMES CALL IterateUntil CALL InvertAll CALL ShowGas MOV AX,4C00h INT 21h CODE ENDS END Start " 702,9,"From: mse@cc.bellcore.com (25836-michael evenchick(F113)) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 128 In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu>, (Steve Tomassi) writes: |> |> Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? |> I |> |> mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, |> as |> |> is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell |> |> Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in |> Eddie |> |> Murray and Jeff Reardon. I am trying to think how to respond to this without involving personal feeling or perceptions and I can not without having stats to back up my points. However, I think you approached this the wrong way. I believe all of the people mentioned here deserve the hall of fame more than Dave Kingman does. I feel they were all much better players. I am not saying I fell they deserve to go but that they would deserve it more. IMHO Dave Kingman - definately not. They guy only had a couple of years were he could hit with atleast a respectable averag. The rest of his career I do not think he was very feared by pitchers. I also do not think he did a lot for the game. I mean really I am a Met fan - he was a Met for part of his career and I still would not back him for the Hall of Fame. Dave Winfield - I think so. He is feared by pitchers, he has had several season where he hit for a respectable average and his production numbers are (in my opinion - without stats) better than Kingman's (probably by quite a bit). I also perceive him to be a leader, maybe not as much as some other people but none the less a leader. I think he has made substantial contributions to the game of baseball and to society. Examples of this are some of the charitable things he has done (I know some of this from when he was with the Yankees). I think he the type of player that kids can look up to and while this is definately not the only criteria for the Hall of Fame I think it deserves some consideration. Lee Smith - Maybe, I would have to see his stats again but he definately would deserve to go before the likes of Kingman. Darrell Evans - No. Eddie Murray - Maybe, He has had a very good career, he is a leader (although a silent one), he is a good role model. Are the stats good enough? I am not sure - but I would once again believe they are much better than Kingman's both the average as well as the power numbers (but not as good as Winfield's). Just think, Eddie did not have as much publicity for most of his great years. Jeff Reardon - My guess is no, but it kind of depends on his numbers. Off the top of my head I would take Lee Smith first. |> |> Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody |> giving |> |> Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, |> marginal. |> |> Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both |> |> shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. |> Well, I strongly disagree here. Both of these guys deserve it for sure. I talked about leadership above, both of these guys are leaders and have been instumental in leading their teams to the post season. Robin does have very good offensive numbers both average and power and Ozzie has okay numbers offensively. The difference with Ozzie is that if you gave him a home run for every run he saved by making an incredible play at shortstop - he would have shattered Aaron's home run mark by now. How many of those great plays saved games? How many of those great plays motivated his team to rally and win a game? While I believe both of these guys have numbers, baseball is about more than numbers (or at least winning at baseball is about more than numbers). Both of these guys are proven stars and belong in the Hall of Fame. As does George Brett who also belongs in this class of player. |> Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors |> so |> |> liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if |> something |> |> isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When |> |> certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential |> |> candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to |> |> the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? |> Steve Garvey - I am not sure, probably not but I guess I could see someone making a case for him. Jack Morris - Once again not my first choice but I can see why someone might bring up his name. Kirby Puckett - Probably. The only reason I do not say definately is he still has time left in his career. If he continues doing what he has been then my probably will turn into a definately. Nolan Ryan - Is there really any doubt? I think I heard something about him having some 53 records (maybe they were not all good - I don't know I did not hear any of them just the number). He has the numbers, he has the contributions to the game and community and he is a great role model. I would not say that he is the best pitcher to ever pitch the game (probably not even top 20) but he would be the first pitcher I would put in the Hall of Fame because of his accomplishments (no-hitters, strikeouts, respectable numbers - even with some weaker teams) you can go on and on. I really hope he gets ALL the possible votes. So in summing up I have 3 groups, those that belong, those that probably do but I am not sure and those that I lean towards saying don't belong at least not without my seeing stats and possibly hearing reasons why they should go. Yes - Winfield, Yount, Brett(not in your mail), O. Smith, Puckett and Ryan Maybe - Murray and L. Smith No - Reardon, Garvey, Morris, Evans and definately Kingman As I said I do not have the stats around so I do not have numbers to back this up - these are entirely my opinions based on my perceptions. Mike |> |> Q Steve " 703,13,"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: Foreskin Troubles Summary: Dorsal slit operation Article-I.D.: pegasus.1993Apr22.221111.9678 Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr18.042100.2720@radford.vak12ed.edu> mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes: >What can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male >whose foreskin will not retract? > Melissa, there is a simpler procedure called a ""Dorsal slit"" that is really the first step of the usual circumcision. It is simpler and quicker, but the pain is about the same as circumcision after the anesthetic wears off and the aesthetic result post healing is not as good. See your friendly urologist for more details. Len Howard . " 704,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 57 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: [most of Brads post deleted.] >we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance >on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING >ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real >leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. Tell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops? >with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace, >than it should withdraw from OUR land. There must be a guarantee of peace before this happens. It seems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain themselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions prolong Israels stay in South Lebanon. If the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then Israel would not have to be there. Until it is, Israel prefers that its soldiers die rather than its children. >If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw >unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion >of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, >advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's >public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations >since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in >peace and has already offered some important concessions. Israel should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is signed. Not a day before. Withdraw because of casualties would tell the Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is kill a few soldiers. Its not gonna happen. >Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah >be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not >accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a >shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone >and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. Why should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer zone? It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while holding your neighbors land. If Lebanon were willing to agree to those conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Lebanese can disarm the Hizbolah, and maintain the peace. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 705,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?! In-Reply-To: <1993Apr15.192037.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 26 >DATE: 15 Apr 93 19:20:37 EDT >FROM: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu > >In article , bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >> >> [s.c.a quotes deleted] >> >> It really looks like these people have no idea at all of what it means >> to be atheist. There are more Bobby Mozumder clones in the world than >> I thought... > >Well, that explains some things; I posted on soc.religion.islam >with an attached quote by Bobby to the effect that all atheists >are lying evil scum, and asked if it was a commonly-held idea >among muslims. I got no response. Asking about the unknown, >I guess... You should have tried one of the soc.culture groups in the Middle East or South Asia area (they are a little more open than the Islam channel). I think someone defined atheists as polytheists cuz they say we think the world created itself (or something like that) so each particle is a God which created the other Gods. The soc.culture.african is also nice for some contrasting viewpoints on the benevolence of religion. Especially when Sudan is mentioned. " 706,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 25 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >|> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: > >[.....] > >|> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and >|> selectively naive. > >Oooh... now THAT hurts. I will not suffer you through more naive >and one-sided views of mine. Please skip my articles in the future >Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day. > >Basil What is the point in throwing out one-sided viewpoints (which means: ignoring that the ""other side's"" perspective and experience HAS ANY LEGITIMACY) while assuming that ""your side"" possesses no faults and bears no responbility for ANY of the negative impacts of a particular event? Isn't the former onesided? Isn't the latter naive? If you feel that my opinion is wrong then please tell me how. ""Strategic withdrawal"" under the cover of a snide remark seems to be the favored tactic on this net but doesn't accomplish anything. " 707,13,"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) Subject: Re: Paxil (request) Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) Lines: 5 I don't know much and in fact, have asked questions here myself. My doctor told me that Paxil is a ""cleaner"" SRI in that it produces fewer side effects. As to a comparison between Zoloft and Prozac, I'm not able to remember what he said about the differences between those two drugs. Sorry " 708,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 13 In article <1r6rn3INNn96@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: >You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know >of a private Titan pad? You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff *if* you assume no new launcher development. If you assume new launcher development, with lower costs as a specific objective, then you probably don't want to build something HLV-sized anyway. Nobody who is interested in launching things cheaply will buy Titans. It doesn't take many Titan pricetags to pay for a laser launcher or a large gas gun or a development program for a Big Dumb Booster, all of which would have far better cost-effectiveness. " 709,1,"From: lansd@dgp.toronto.edu (Robert Lansdale) Subject: Advice sought: Turning font outlines into renderable polygons Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Distribution: na Lines: 53 I am seeking some alternate solutions on how to turn a Postscript Type 1 or TrueType font outline into polygons that can be subsequently scan converted by a 3D scanline renderer. I have been studying the problem of font conversion for a few years but have never had the need to implement such a system. Well, I now have the opportunity to write some font rendering software so I would like to have some of my questions answered before I jump into the deep end. The main problem I face is how to use the even/odd or non-winding rules to turn the outlines into a single outline polygon (my renderer can handle complex polygons so there is no need to reduce the polygons to simple polygons). For example, in the letter ""O"" there are two outlines: 1) The outside outline which is clockwise (TrueType font) 2) The inside outline which is counterclockwise. One common solution used by a number of rendering packages is to simply connect the inner outline to the outer outline at the point where the two outlines are closest. This is equivalent to descibing a ""polygon with holes"". The renderer will then make the appropriate hole since the interior polygon edges are in the opposite direction to the outside edges. I do not want to use this simplistic system since: 1) It will not handle all outline fonts properly (it is not a simple matter to connect the outer outline to the inner outline for some fancy fonts). 2) It does not properly handle the even/odd or non-winding rules. From my research over the years the proper solution is to use a trapezoid decomposition algorithm to scan convert the outlines into trapezoids (as is done by the Postscript and TrueType font rasterizers). These trapezoidal polygons can then be easily and properly rendered by the 3D scanline renderer. My question is: are there any better solutions to turning the outlines into polgyons other than the trapezoid decomposer? I am not fond of this solution since it creates excess number of polygons. Another question, for those in the know: what is the best algorithm to create bevelled and/or offset curves for font outlines? I have a dozen papers on these subjects but I can't tell which method is the best to implement. Thanks for any pointers. --> Rob Lansdale -- Robert Lansdale - (416) 978-6619 Dynamic Graphics Project Internet: lansd@dgp.toronto.edu Computer Systems Research Institute UUCP: ..!uunet!dgp.toronto.edu!lansd University of Toronto Bitnet: lansd@dgp.utoronto Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A4, CANADA " 710,3,From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin) Subject: Protected Mode ? Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 6 Is there anybody who has (or can point me in the right direction) any information about protected mode? Also interested in protected mode viewed from a OS point of view. Thanks in advance Kjetil Kolin 711,13,"From: ak949@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: ORGAN DONATION AND TRANSPLANTATION FACT SHEET Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 32 Reply-To: ak949@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael Holloway) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) says: >In article <1993Apr12.205726.10679@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu >|> Organ donors are healthy people who have died suddenly, usually >|> through accident or head injury. They are brain dead. The >|> organs are kept alive through mechanical means. > >OK, so how do you define healthy people? > >My wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region >in the past three years. In fact, she tried to have her bone marrow >typed and they wouldn't even do that! Why? > >I can't donate blood either because not only have I been to a malarial >region, but I have also been diagnosed (and surgically treated) for >testicular cancer. The blood bank wont accept blood from me for 10 >years. Obviously, it wouldn't be of much help to treat one problem by knowingly introducing another. Cancer mestastizes. My imperfect understanding of the facts are that gonadal cancer is particularly dangerous in this regard. I haven't done the research on it, but I don't recall ever hearing of a case of cancer being transmitted by a blood transfusion. Probably just a common sense kind of arbitrary precaution. Transmissable diseases like malaria though are obviously another story. -- Michael Holloway E-mail: mhollowa@ccmail.sunysb.edu (mail to freenet is forwarded) phone: (516)444-3090 " 712,14,"From: rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: math9.math.umbc.edu In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: > >Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >to compute sunrise and sunset times. Here is a computation I did a long time ago that computes the length of the daylight. You should be able to convert the information here to sunrise and sunset times. -- Rouben Rostamian Telephone: 410-455-2458 Department of Mathematics and Statistics e-mail: University of Maryland Baltimore County bitnet: rostamian@umbc.bitnet Baltimore, MD 21228, USA internet: rouben@math.umbc.edu ====================================================================== Definitions: z = the tilt of the axis of the planet away from the normal to its orbital plane. In case of the Earth z is about 23.5 degrees, I think. I do not recall the exact value. In case of Uranus, z is almost 90 degrees. u = latitude of the location where the length of the day is measured. Paris is at about 45 degrees. North pole is at 90. a = angular position of the planet around the sun. As a goes from 0 to 360 degrees, the planet makes a full circle around the sun. The spring equinox occurs at a=0. L = daylight fraction = (duration of daylight)/(duration of a full day). On the equator (u=0) L is always 1/2. Near the north pole (u=90 degrees) L is sometimes one and sometimes zero, depending on the time of the year. Computation: Define the auxiliary angles p and q by: sin p = sin a sin z cos q = h ( tan u tan p ), (0 < q < 180 degrees) Conclusion: L = q / 180 (if q is measured in degrees) L = q / pi (if q is measured in radians) Wait! But what is h? The cutoff function h is defined as follows: h (s) = s if |s| < 1 = 1 if s > 1 = -1 if s < 1 As an interesting exercise, plot L versus a. The graph will shows how the length of the daylight varies with the time of the year. Experiment with various choices of latitudes and tilt angles. Compare the behavior of the function at locations above and below the arctic circle. -- Rouben Rostamian Telephone: 410-455-2458 Department of Mathematics and Statistics e-mail: University of Maryland Baltimore County bitnet: rostamian@umbc.bitnet Baltimore, MD 21228, USA internet: rouben@math.umbc.edu " 713,5,"From: bkline%occs.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline) Subject: X11 load on the Network Organization: National Library of Medicine X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps over telnet? Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard input a line at a time? Can the X client control this, asking for keystrokes immediately? Thanks in advance for any feedback! -- /*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ /* Bob Kline Phoenix Systems, Inc. */ /* bkline@occs.nlm.nih.gov voice: (703) 522-0820 */ /*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ " 714,18,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Re: Karadzic on Bosnia peace plan Lines: 2 What does anyone think that Judge Wopner would do if Karadzic was on trial before him? (Nevah happen, but just a thought...) " 715,6,"From: martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.wpi.edu In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes: >VHS movie for sale. > >Dance with Wovies ($12.00) ^^^^^^ what the hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))?? -- From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Suess ..jonathan Sawitsky 'some random wierdo' martimer@wpi.wpi.edu... " 716,3,"From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY) Subject: Re: Can't set COM4 Distribution: usa Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 28 In article , k4bnc@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.a.siegel) writes: > I have been unable to get COM 4 to work - diagnostic programs such as msd show > nothing installed. I think the software options are OK - is there a known > hardware conflict and/or workaround for this problemand CD ROM > System is a G2K 486DX2/66 tower with ATI video card > Ports are set as follows > On board COMa = COM1 IRQ4 to external device > Internal modem = COM 3 IRQ5 > DFIO port card primary port = COM 2 IRQ3 mouse > On board COM B = COM 4 IRQ 9 <--- DOES NOT WORK > I have run this from a boot disk with only command.com to eliminate softwar > > Any suggestions before I call technical support? > John Siegel > k4bnc@cbnewsh.att.com > jas@hrollie.hr.att.com I had this problem some time ago. Some BIOSes do not automatically install COM3 or COM4 in the port tables. Programs like most modem programs which write directly to the port work fine but anything that uses a BIOS call fails. Find a BBS or FTP site where you can get a copy of PORT FINDER. Put ""device=pf.sys"" in your config.sys or run pf.com from your autoexec.bat. This little program will locate all existing ports and make sure the BIOS tables are updated. It works great. PF will also let you swap ports and such also if that is of any value to you. Allen Mulvey mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu " 717,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test Article-I.D.: news.C51rzx.AC3 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 34 nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: [Excellent discussion of DC-X landing techniques by Henry deleted] >Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way?? The DC-X will not take of horizontally. It takes of vertically. >Why do the Martian Landing thing.. For several reasons. Vertical landings don't require miles of runway and limit noise pollution. They don't require wheels or wings. Just turn on the engines and touch down. Of course, as Henry pointed out, vetical landings aren't quite that simple. >Or am I missing something.. Don't know to >much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?). Well, to be blunt, yes. But at least you're learning. >Why not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then... The Soyuz vehicles use parachutes for the descent and then fire small rockets just before they hit the ground. Parachutes are, however, not especially practical if you want to reuse something without much effort. The landings are also not very comfortable. However, in the words of Georgy Grechko, ""I prefer to have bruises, not to sink."" -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes seront capable de la realiser"" -Jules Verne " 718,10,From: rhirji@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Rahim Hirji) Subject: Re: Flames Question Keywords: Roberts Flames Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 22 In article clhawth@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Timothy Chesley) writes: >I heard a little while back that Gary Roberts would be returning to play >in Calgary's last regular season game. Can anybody confirm this?? >He'll be a big help to the Flames in the playoffs and may change my >playoff pool strategy. Roberts played in last night game against the Sharks and got a goal (38th) and an assist. This definitely bolsters Calgary's chances in the playoffs. Rahim Hirji -- | Rahim Hirji Life is what happens while you are | Actuarial Science making other plans | rhirji@descartes.uwaterloo.ca | University of Waterloo 719,8,"From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion Distribution: na Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: raible@nas.nasa.gov's message of 20 Apr 93 19:32:39 In article rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). Communication: work out your own system. Or just slow down and holler back every once in a while. At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled Magna, we can hear each other. It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you can't really communicate. Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how they're going to react to steering. Some people catch on immediately and lean with me. Others are completely skittish about the leaning thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon. This is a pain while turning, but manageable. The WORST are the passengers who stay perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position. This always screws up the line I've picked out. Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers: - attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket. - Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise. Do not get on/off unless I say you can. (I've had people try to dismount in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!) - Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said) - We get *GOOD* traction. We're not going to fall over. (Many first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!) - Turn dynamics: sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and we're going straight. Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel of it. Or just hug me tight. - Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be gradual, so I can compensate. - Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired. - Trust is essential. Trust the driver (me) to do the right thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how to operate it. Enjoy the ride. (This is important to stress. For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to watch the speedo like a hawk: I drove her to the beach down 84, and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, ""SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED"" I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster. Problem solved: she watched the scenery instead of the instruments, and had a much better time. Based on her experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.) Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes, tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers. Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up. Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road: there were lots of little mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones. It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the first trip! Good luck -- have fun! -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! " 720,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Lines: 48 >So then, you require the same amount of evidence to believe that I >a) own a pair of bluejeans and b) have superhuman powers? Well, I could use the argument that some here use about ""nature"" and claim that you cannot have superhuman powers because you are a human; superhuman powers are beyond what a human has, and since you are a human, any powers you have are not beyond those of a human. Hence, you cannot have superhuman powers. Sound good to you? Anyway, to the evidence question: it depends on the context. In this group, since you are posting from a american college site, I'm willing to take it as given that you have a pair of blue jeans. And, assuming there is some coherency in your position, I will take it as a given that you do not have superhuman powers. Arguments are evidence in themselves, in some respects. >When you say the ""existence of [ sic ] Jesus"", I assume that you >mean just the man, without any special powers, etc. Yep. >Many will agree that it is very possible that a man called Jesus DID >in fact live. In fact, I am willing to agree that there was some man named >Jesus. I have no reason to believe that there wasn't ever a man. Good. >However, most of the claims ARE extradinary: eg virgin birth >[ virgin in the sense of not having any sexual intercourse ], resurection, >Son of God, etc. THOSE claims require extra evidence. ""Extra"" evidence? Why don't we start with evidence at all? I cannot see any evidence for the V. B. which the cynics in this group would ever accept. As for the second, it is the foundation of the religion. Anyone who claims to have seen the risen Jesus (back in the 40 day period) is a believer, and therefore is discounted by those in this group; since these are all ancients anyway, one again to choose to dismiss the whole thing. The third is as much a metaphysical relationship as anything else-- even those who agree to it have argued at length over what it *means*, so again I don't see how evidence is possible. I thus interpret the ""extraordinary claims"" claim as a statement that the speaker will not accept *any* evidence on the matter. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 721,16,"From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) Subject: Re: Fwd: FREE NRA MEMBERSHIP OFFER Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!) Lines: 28 andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: > >The NRA supports anyone who's pro-gun and has a chance of winning >election, regardless of their other positions. Is it their fault that >some drug-legalizers are anti-gun? Is it their fault that the >drug-legalizers who are pro-gun can't get elected? It's not the NRA's fault; but it is something to consider if you are considering contributing to the NRA. If candidate B is a complete asshole whose only saving grace is that he opposes unnecessary restrictions on firearms, I wouldn't want my membership dues funding efforts to get him re-elected. I have other problems with the NRA (as an organization; the individual members I've met have been loyal, trustworthy, honest, brave, etc., especially my boss who probably reads this newsgroup B->); they are definitely pro-hunting, and I recall seeing a pro-Desert Storm NRA bumper sticker. Sometimes they come on too strong in the political arena, which contributes to their reputation as ""bad guys"" amoung many people. =============================================================================== Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu | ""Born to die"" | Keep your laws off my brain! ""What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"" - Nick Lowe This .sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals. ""I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority."" -- E.B. White " 722,19,"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Sun Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun In article lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes: >Hmmmm. Define objective morality. Well, depends upon who you talk to. >Some say it means you can't have your hair over your ears, and others say >it means Stryper is acceptable. _I_ would say that general principles >of objective morality would be listed in one or two places. >Ten Commandments >Sayings of Jesus >the first depends on whether you trust the Bible, >the second depends on both whether you think Jesus is God, and whether > you think we have accurate copies of the NT. Gong! Take a moment and look at what you just wrote. First you defined an ""objective"" morality and then you qualified this ""objective"" morality with subjective justifications. Do you see the error in this? Sorry, you have just disqualified yourself, but please play again. >MAC > eric " 723,3,"Subject: Motherboards & Hard Drives From: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU Reply-To: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU Organization: Cal State Northridge Lines: 12 I have just a few quick questions. Does anyone here have a 486 DLC system? (a Cyrix 486 DX) Any problems with it? Second, how much should a Cyric 486DLC-33 motherboard (with no RAM) run me? 3rd...Should a total amatuer (like myslef) be able to perform a motherboard swap without the aid of a technician, or is it beyond hope? 4th...I hear that some (if not all) hard drives may require reformatting if you switch them to another computer (or motherboard as the case may be). Is there any truth to this? Any replies would be greatly appreciated. " 724,15,"From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: When are two people married Organization: Huh? Whuzzat? Lines: 14 JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: >... >The essential ingredient of a marriage is mutual commitment. Two >persons are considered to be married if and only if they have bound >themselves by mutual promises to live together as husband and wife, >forsaking all others, till death do them part. > Does that imply that people who take marriage vows but aren't sincere are not married? Jeff Johnson jcj@tellabs.com " 725,3,"From: shenx@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (xiangxin shen ) Subject: Re: IDE Low Level Format Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 10 In article mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) writes: >I accidentally tried to low level format my Western Digital Caviar 280 drive. >Is there a public domain or shareware utility available that will allow >me to fix it? > >Thanks. I am no expert on this. But I am pretty sure there is no way to recover this. IDE drive has mapping information written directly on drives. When you low level format it, the information itself is gone as well, I don't think you can get it back unless you send it back to Western Digital and ask them to refurbish it for you. Jim " 726,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 29 pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: > Can you, while my mind is on it, give us one good reason that the > algorithm should be a secret algorithm, unless this encryption scheme > either is a joke, or contains features like a 'master key' or other back > door for UNAUTHORIZED eavesdropping? Hmm, here are a couple: 1) If the algorithm becomes known, it will be easy to produce pin-compatible non-crippled chips that provide -real- encryption and privacy, because their keys are only in their users' hands. 2) Since SkipJack is a symmetric key cypher, it needs some way to agree on a session key. The released information says that any protocol may be used (e.g., DH). From a theoretical point of view, this is probably true. However, from a practical point of view, those chips must have some kind of key exchange protocol built-in. What if it is good old RSA? This will mean that the producer will have to pay lots of bucks to PKP. By keeping the details secret this can be avoided... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 727,9,"From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) Subject: Re: Seeking Moe Berg reference/info Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) Lines: 23 In article <8813@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >I seem to have misplaced the baseball bibliography that was posted here >recently. (That's what happens when you have to split a heap of disorganized >files from one machine among two others.) Could some kind soul repost the >bibliography, or mail me a copy? > >Also, in particular, a colleague of mine is looking for any information he >can find on Moe Berg, catcher/linguist/espion of WW2. Any references (or >anecdotes, for that matter) would be appreciated. > >Dave > I believe SI had an in-depth article on Moe a while ago. I remember that the article revealed some new facts regarding the secretive Moe. My SI subscription expired this past February, the second of two years that I received same. Therefore my guess is that the article appeared sometime in 1991-92. Can anyone else be more definitive as to a date of the SI article ? jerry " 728,3,"From: swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu Subject: Custom Keys Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Lines: 8 Reply-To: swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu I am looking for a company that can make custom keys. For instance we need a key that says HELP, MAIN MENU, etc which we are going to use instead of F1,F2, F3 etc... Can anyone point me to a company that does this. Also do you have to have a special keyboard, or can I just pop off the old keys and pop in the new ones... Thanks for the help Jeff Swartz " 729,1,"From: george@ccmail.larc.nasa.gov (George M. Brown) Subject: QC/MSC code to view/save images Organization: Client Specific Systems, Inc. Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: thrasher.larc.nasa.gov Dear Binary Newsers, I am looking for Quick C or Microsoft C code for image decoding from file for VGA viewing and saving images from/to GIF, TIFF, PCX, or JPEG format. I have scoured the Internet, but its like trying to find a Dr. Seuss spell checker TSR. It must be out there, and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. Thanx in advance. ////////////// The Internet is like a Black Hole.... " 730,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: the usual Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Distribution: na Lines: 45 arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >I was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e., >plutonium or reactor/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain >a federal permit to own such materials. No, you merely have to start working on yellowcake or else devise a system to get it from other sources. BTW: the DOE handles reactor fuel, and merely leases it to reactors. The NRC certifies these reactors. The military have their own sources. A private citizen has none of these official sources. >Actually, why bother looking it up? From the material we covered last >term (in 10 weeks) of Ge/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive* >what it would take to build a bomb. That's freshman-level chemistry. Big deal. Can you make it work? That's PhD-level physics. Big difference. > And as far as the explosive charge, >I (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly >available chemicals in the garage if I felt like. The electronics >behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier, >however . . . but not impossible using a few ""tricks of the trade."" >And if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of >hydrogen and deuterium . . . So you admit that there's no law that could stop you? Physics aside, could you make one if you had the funds and time? The answer is yes. So, do we lock you up now because of this? Surely you can see where the comparison with anti-gun laws comes into play here? >Of course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material >to start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together. >(Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .) Precisely why it's not as readily utilized as you seem to have been lead to believe. BTW: 98% U235 is far better for home-made bombs than trying to use plutonium. The laws of physics make the creation of a device without serious manufacturing facilities very low in probability. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 731,10,"From: lange@reg.triumf.ca (THREADING THE CANADIAN TAPESTRY) Subject: Detroit Playoff Tradition Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca Keywords: Octopi News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Way back in the early years (~50's) it took 8 wins to garner the Stanley Cup. Soooooo, a couple of local fish mongers (local to the Joe Louis Arena, that is) started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win. After each victory, one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the ice. (They are dead by the way.) It was a brilliant marketing strategy to shore up the demand for one of their least popular products. Hope this helps. J. Lange " 732,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage:...) Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 208 In <1993Apr4.200253.21409@ennews.eas.asu.edu> guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) writes: >You might not like what Bernard Lewis writes about, label him >as a Zionist or such to discredit him etc. You misrepresent me, Selim. The hard evidence for my statements about his lack of objectivity are presented quite clearly in the book ""Orientalism"" by Edward Said. Edward Said, by the way, is a Christian, not a Muslim. >I think he is >pretty much objective in his treatment in ""Race and Slavery in >the Middle East"", since he clearly distinguishes between >slavery under Islam, and the practice of slavery in other countries, >like the US prior to the civil war. He also does not conceal >that there are verses in the Quran which promote the liberation >of slaves. What he doesn't, and I don't think nobody can, >deduce from these verses is that slavery will eventually be >abolished in Islamic countries. Now you might, rather conveniently, >blame the practice of slavery on Muslims, but the facts are out >there. I also fail to see the relevance of the claim of Lewis being >a ""Zionist"" to what I wrote. Regarding Bernard Lewis: Him being a Zionist gives him a political motive for his giving misrepresentations and half-truths about Islam. Read ""Orientalism"" by Edward Said -- see the evidence for yourself. In fact, I may post some of it here (if it isn't too long). >They were encyclopaedic information >which anybody can access - that slavery was abolished at certain >dates some 1200 years after Muhammed, that this was the cause >of tensions in the Ottoman empire between the Arab slave traders >and the government etc.. We also have in the ASU library volumes >of British documents on slavery where reports and documents >concerning slavery all around the world can be found, which I >checked some of the incidents Lewis mentions. So I don't think >ones political stance has anything to do with documentary evidence. I haven't read Lewis's article, so I can't comment directly upon it, and have only spoken about his writings _in general_ so far, that his political motives make him a biased writer on Islam. His anti-Islamic polemics, as I understand it, are often quite subtle and are often based on telling half-truths. Again, read ""Orientalism"" by Edward Said. I am _not_ asking you to take what I say on trust, in fact I am urging you not to do so but to get this book (it is a well-known book) and check the evidence out for _yourself_. >The issue I raised was that slaves WERE USED FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES, >when it was claimed that Islam prohibits extra-marital sex. >I wrote that the Prophet himself had concubines, I wrote an >incident in which the prophet advised on someone who did not >want his concubine to get pregnant etc., which is contrary >to the notion that ""sex is for procreation only"". In other >words, such claims are baseless in the Quran and the Hadith. If slavery is _in reality_ (as opposed to in the practice of some Muslims) opposed by Islam, then using slaves for sexual purposes is necessarily opposed too. >I seem to be unsuccesful in getting through to you. Islam is >not ""advocating"" slavery. Slavery was an existing institution in the >7th century. It advised on slaves being freed for good >deeds etc., which is nothing new. Many cultures saw this as a >good thing. What is the problem here? But I can argue rightfully >that slaves were discouraged about thinking about their statuses >politically - the Quran rewards the good slave, so obey your >master and perhaps one day you'll be free. But, it is very >understandable that I do not communicate with Muslims, since >they assume the Quran is from a ""God"", and I think it is a rule-based >system imposed on the society for preservation of the status quo. >Slaves are a part of this system, the subordination of women >so that their function in society boils down to child-making >is a part of this system, etc. I understand your point of view, Selim -- I think, rather, it is _us_ who are not getting through to _you_. Some of the points you repeat above I have already answered before. Regarding women, I have made posting after posting on this subject, showing that Islam is not anti-woman, etc. However, have you been completely ignoring my postings or just missing them? I just reposted a very good one, under the title ""Islam and Women"", reposted from soc.religion.islam. If this has already disappeared from your site, then please email me telling me so and I will email you a copy of this excellent article. IMHO, your understanding of the issue of women in Islam is sadly deficient. Regarding slaves, _my_ posting on slavery -- the second one I made, which is a repost of an article I wrote early last year -- is based completely on the Qur'an and contains numerous Qur'anic verses and hadiths to support its point of view. Our approaches are different -- you are arguing from a historical standpoint and I am arguing directly from the teachings of the Qur'an and hadiths. Now, just because people say they are Muslims and perform a particular action, does that automatically mean that their action is part of Islam, even if it is opposed by the Qur'an and Sunnah? No! Of course not. Let me give you a concrete example, which might help clarify this for you. The Qur'an prohibits drinking. Now, if a person says ""I am a Muslim"" and then proceeds to drink a bottle of beer, does this now mean that Islam teaches that people should drink beer? Of course not, and only an idiot would think so. Do you see my point? >It is very natural to think that >the author/authors of the Quran had no idea that the socio-economic >structure they were advocating would experience at least two paradigm >shifts in 1400 years in the western cultures - first with the end of >the feudal era and the rise of commerce, second with the industrial >revolution. Well, rules have changed and the status quo has driven >Muslim countries into misery trying to survive in a ""heathen"" world. >Muslim countries have failed economically, they were unable to >accumulate any wealth - directly due to the uncomprimising economic >rules in the Quran. In fact, the rise of Islam can easily be modeled >after the pyramid effect - you do not produce any wealth at home, >but increase your wealth by conquering places. You are judging Islam here on capitalist terms. Capitalism is an ideology based largely on the assumption that people want to maximise their wealth -- this assumption is in opposition to Islamic teachings. To say Islam is bad because it is not capitalist is pretty unthinking -- Islam does not pretend to be capitalist and does not try to be capitalist. (This does not mean that Islam does not support a free-market -- for it does in general -- but there are other parts of capitalism which are opposed to Islam as I understand it.) >When this stopped, >you (and I) were left bare in the open for emperialists to devour. >No capital, no industry, very poor social services - the education >level in Muslim countries are the lowest in the world, the health >statistics are miserable etc.. One can postulate numerous reasons for this. Your theory is that it is because Islam is not secularist and capitalist, etc. etc. Selim, I will give you a clear historical example to show you the fallacy of your views if you think (as you obviously do) that Islam => lack of education and power. For a large part of history, the Islamic world was very powerful. For a significant section of history, the Islamic world was the foremost in the sciences. So to say that Islam is, for example, anti-education is completely absurd. You try to blame this situation on Islam -- history shows that your conclusion is false and that, instead, there must be other reasons for this situation. >You blame Muslims for not following the Quran, but I blame Muslims >for following the Quran. Well, Selim, your viewpoint on women in Islam makes me question the extent of your knowledge of Islam. I really think you are not knowledgeable enough to be able to judge whether the Muslims are following the Qur'an or not. >Your idea is baseless from historical >facts, it is a poor utopia, The Islamic world was at the forefront of the world in science at one stage -- yet somehow, in your theory, it is by ""following the Qur'an"" that Muslims are backwards in education. Selim, it is _your_ thesis that is anti-historical, for you conveniently overlook this historical fact which contradicts your theory. >while my ideas are derived from social >and economic history. You have certainly not shown this; you have merely stated it. So far, it seems to me that your view on Islam being anti-education is quite contrary to history. That you are so convinced of your views makes me wonder just how objectively you are trying to look at all of this. >My solution to all Muslims is simple: >CUT THE CRAP, I think, Selim, you should consider taking your own advice. >GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT Here too. >AND WORK HARD TO REVERSE >THE EFFECTS OF 1300 YEARS OF IGNORANCE. Selim, you have such conviction of your viewpoint, yet you demonstrate ignorance, not only of Islam but also of Islamic history (particularly with respect to Muslims being leaders of science till about 1400 or so I think). Yet you say that your viewpoint is based on history! Selim, if I remember right, you say in one of your earlier posts that you are an apostate from Islam. I think you should slow down and start thinking clearly about the issues, and start _reading_ some of our postings about Islam rather than ignoring them as you so obviously have. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 733,16,"From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Distribution: usa Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >>All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >>I am not really familiar enough with handguns. > >That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. > k Guys, guys, (and gals), let's lay off Jason here. Though he stepped in it, he has been very good so far about admitting he doesn't know what he's talking about, and even more stunning is that he seems -- Anmar Mirza # Chief of Tranquility #My Opinions! NotIU's!#CIANSAKGBFBI EMT-D # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#ASSASINATEDEA N9ISY (tech) # Somewhere out on the # Politicians prefer #NAZIPLUTONIUM Networks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants. #PRESIDENTFEMA " 734,10,"Subject: canadian silver dollar-stanley cup centennial From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Organization: UB Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu Lines: 19 Hi. According to my always questionable newspaper, there's a silver dollar being minted in Canada, the back of which commemorates the anniversary of the Stanley Cup. Now, I know full well what coins are used every day in Canada. I can easily fish a few out of my pocket change right now, in fact. My question is, since the loon is the only dollar coin that I know is legal tender, is this just a commemorative coin with no monetary exchange value, or what? Is it the sort of thing that only hockey buffs and coin collectors might covet, with no chance of it being circulated? If it is an uncirculated coin, what's the current cost and what's its potential value? Just curious. If no one knows, I'll take this to soc.culture.canada and rec.collecting (or whatever it is). Thanks again -- Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. " 735,11,"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: >:Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key >: itself"" >:You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; >: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of >: copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" >:Judge and CP: ""Oh."" >: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or >:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will >:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? > >Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment >like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and >then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the >same trail. No. The LAPD officers were tried first by the State of California on charges of police brutality, and secondly by the Federal Government on depriving RK of his civil rights - a different crime. The scenario I outline is more similar to the Oliver North trial. Ollie confessed to treason (aiding an enemy of the US) during Senate hearings, under immunity. The team which was later to prosecute him on criminal charges had to sequester itself from all reports of ON's immunized testimony. ON's lawyer brought up the probability that at least someone on the team had heard about the Senate testimony, and it was a strong factor against the prosecution, which is one of the reasons this ON is still walking around free today. Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org " 736,1,"From: lulagos@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (admirador) Subject: OAK VGA 1Mb. Please, I needd VESA TSR!!! 8^) Originator: lulagos@cipres Nntp-Posting-Host: cipres.cec.uchile.cl Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile Lines: 15 Hi there!... Well, i have a 386/40 with SVGA 1Mb. (OAK chip 077) and i don't have VESA TSR program for this card. I need it . Please... if anybody can help me, mail me at: lulagos@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl Thanks. Mackk. _ /| \'o.O' =(___)= U Ack! " 737,3,"From: mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Reply-To: mikey@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qulqa$hp2@access.digex.net>, rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: |> The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen |> blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it |> meets all of the Swedish standards. It's also protected against EMI from |> adjacent monitors. Thanks for the info. |> Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now. How much more does the F550iW cost? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 " 738,5,"From: slg3x@cc.usu.edu Subject: X Color bitmap editor needed Organization: Utah State University Lines: 7 Hi Folks, Does anybody know where I can find the ""Color"" bitmap editor around the public sites? Any information I do appreciate that. C.Chang " 739,8,"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) Subject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 31 -- Thanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom. As recommended, I had the bike compression tested. Compression was a little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi). They said that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low numbers (around 90). Does this sound right? Otherwise, the bike looked great. No signs of road rash, and no rust. This bike looks great! It is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires. I am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those who posted this other thread). This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes. ( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about the transmission and taking my chances. Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | |\/\/\/| ___________________ | | | | / \ | | | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ | | | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) | | C _) / \_____________________/ | | | ,___| / | | | / | | / __\ | | / \ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 740,2,"From: craig@monster.apd.saic.com (Craig Lewis) Subject: Re: Please Refresh On Internet Access To CompuServe Organization: SAIC, Reston, VA Lines: 31 cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) writes: >Hi, >sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining CompuServe access thru >the Internet. But I seem to misplace those articles. Can someone please >refresh me where (which site) I can telnet to to gain access. Try telnet 128.196.128.234, login TO_CSERVE This will get you into the CompuServe network. Enter hostname CIS and you'll get the UserID prompt. >Hopefully I can download files as well. I haven't, if you can figure it out let me know. Also, let me know if your backspace key works :) >Thanks, >Arthur Lim >Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg -------------------------- Craig Lewis SAIC 703-318-4756 craig@monster.apd.saic.com " 741,7,"From: gyu@bbn.com (George Yu) Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!! Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes: > Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after >my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. > Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? >A replica would be great I think. > -TKH '93 According to _The Complete Guide To Specialty Cars_, 7th Edition, from Crown Publishing, it's the VW Kubelwagen (w/ 2 dots over the 'u'). The company is: Wolfkam P.O. Box 1608, Vika 0119 Oslo 1, Norway 011-47-30-26601 voice line 011-47-2-166138 FAX line An excerpt from the blurb: ...This fine Kubel clone from Wolfkam is a very close copy of the original, and offers the same all-weather and cross-country capabilities as its WWII forebears. The robust fiberglass body kit is very complete, and includes all the hardware you will need, except for your own VW donor car. The phone number [...] is the entire AT&T dialing sequence; call and ask for Karl Torum, or send $5 cash or _International Money Order_ for a complete literature package. George. P.S., I'd be happy to share what info I have on other kit cars and kit car manufacturers. P.P.S., I'm looking for a used or partially completed Porsche 356 Speedster Convertible D replica from Intermeccanica. I'd appreciate any leads or advice/stories from any owners out there. " 742,10,"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: Playoff telecasts in Atlanta Organization: UB Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1q9noa$d90@hsdndev.harvard.edu> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes: >In article Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: >> >>Does anyone know if all the Patrick division games are going to be televised >>on ESPN and ABC? If some games are going to be left out(Or blanked out by >>dumb southern ABC affiliates), I was wondering if anyone out there knows >>of any sports bars in Atlanta which are frequented by hockey fans. I don't >>want to miss out on any of the Pens games. I am sure that there are some >>Islander fans(now that the rangers are dead) who would want to watch every >>Pens-Islanders game in Atlanta. > > >Circle Tuesday,April 20th on your TV calendar. ESPN will carry Game#2 >from Pittsburgh's Civic Arena or as they are advetising it : Pittsburgh vs. >4th place Partick Div. finisher. Personally, Bruins-Buffalo or Montreal- >Quebec City is a much better matchup but ESPN is hoping for a spoiler >in the Pens series which it's not likely to get the way Mario has been >playing for the past month or so. I'd personally prefer Buffalo-Boston, as a birthday gift from ESPN, but I don't think the folks at ESPN will accomodate that for me ;-) ESPN has this inexplicable affinity for the Patrick division, it seems. -- Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. " 743,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Just what is in the Jobs/Pork bill? Summary: Answer: Local communities decide what to do with block grants Distribution: usa Organization: Just a Boomer, Inc. Lines: 73 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >This was in Wed. WSJ. > >[start] >The white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded >news outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that >certain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't >passed. > >None of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are >part of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in >Community Development Block Grants. > >... > >[end] > >I could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving >about how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this >wish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that >same list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to >do the honorable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest. As one of the ""Clintonites"" cited above, I'll try to clarify since this is not a case of Clinton's ""dishonesty."" (I won't necessarily defend him on other issues.) There were NEVER any specific projects included in the Community Development Block Grant portion of the President's proposal. Congressional Republicans, in an effort to discredit the stimulus package, selected what they felt were silly sounding projects from a wish-list of POTENTIAL projects prepared by the US Mayors' Conference before the stimulus package was ever proposed. (The document in question was designed to pressure the White House to increase the size of the block grant proposal submitted to Congress. It didn't work.) The $2.56(?) billion proposed in the stimulus package came nowhere close to covering the total estimated cost of the original wish-list. If it were passed, communities would have to select which projects to fund and at what level. In the case of Spokane, Wa., Tom Foley's home district, no one ever expected to be able to refurbish a local swimming pool (one of the Republicans' examples) FROM THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE STIMULUS PACKAGE since the estimated cost of doing so exceeded the total amount of block grant funds the city would receive from the stimulus package for ALL projects. The plan, instead, was to use the money on public housing construction and remodeling to cope with a severe housing shortage. (Yup, there are places where that is true.) The swimming pool improvements were near the bottom of a long list of priorities prepared by the city. The $3 million or so to be received would cover only a few of the most pressing priorities. If the block grants are cut from the stimulus package, it is these projects that will be affected by the lack of funds. And that is why the Clinton administration has been publicizing the issue. A final point. One may or may not like community block grants. It is worth noting, however, that Congressional Republicans' opposition to them is new. Since the Nixon administration, Republicans have generally supported such grants as an alternative to targeted federal spending, arguing that local governments are far better able to determine spending priorities than ""Washington bureaucrats."" Is it clear now? Or is this all too complicated to understand? jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 744,15,"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 48 Responding to the moderator: >In article alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) writes: >> >>Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal >>sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these >>matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them >>but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this >>that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus >>anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing >>the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the >>honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. > >[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own >ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some >areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what >you mean when you reject the idea of saying ""their specific beliefs >are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on >others."" If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that >the belief is something about God, history, etc.... Yes, I agree. What I'm trying to point out is that, in matters of faith (i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced of the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal revelation. And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those beliefs with others. And I don't think that its arrogant, persay, to accepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself. Where I think the conflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs arise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God must reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would honestly agree. I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are rejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient for them, or because they wish to spurn God. I would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one holds are universal and absolute. And the problem I see with this is that it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with God. This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas of doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or revealed that truth. -- comments, criticism welcome... -Ken alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu [I agree with you. --clh] " 745,19,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Federal Hearing In-Reply-To: dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04: 21:09 GMT Organization: Compaq Computer Corp Distribution: usa Lines: 19 >>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:21:09 GMT, dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) said: DM> Fact or rumor....? Madalyn Murray O'Hare an atheist who eliminated the DM> use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now DM> going to appear before the FCC with a petition to stop the reading of the DM> Gospel on the airways of America. And she is also campaigning to remove DM> Christmas programs, songs, etc from the public schools. If it is true DM> then mail to Federal Communications Commission 1919 H Street Washington DC DM> 20054 expressing your opposition to her request. Reference Petition number DM> 2493. False. This story has been going around for years. There's not a drop of truth. Note that I don't care for O'Hare (O'Hair?) myself, but this is one thing she's not guilty of. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 746,10,"From: twork@egr.msu.edu (Michael Twork) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 6 Reply-To: twork@egr.msu.edu (Michael Twork) NNTP-Posting-Host: frith.egr.msu.edu istribution: Originator: twork@frith.egr.msu.edu >Especially when the wings player hit the rut and went into the boards injuring his shoulder and they blotted out the injury report. The Wings player was Yves Racine, and he returned later in that same period. Mike " 747,8,"From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ? Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance. Distribution: rec.motorcycles Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Lines: 34 In article wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes: >Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One >guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well, >I saw one think that someone said about ""Show me a team that used Split- >fires...."" Well, here's some additional insight and some theories >about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages. > >Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and >increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires > >Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with >somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this, then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead, I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head) -- ============================================================================= Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. ""Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we shall learn the truth."" -- August Kekule' (1890) ============================================================================= " 748,19,"From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615 Lines: 18 Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: > ""This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient > Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise: > The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. > Does this organization have an official e-mail address these days? (an address for any of the SF Bay Area Lodges, e.g. Thelema would do.) 93... A.Lizard ------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Lizard Internet Addresses: alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred) PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above) alizard@gentoo.com (backup) PGP2.2 public key available on request " 749,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 72 The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre are in 'Milliyet' today. 69 year old Hatin Nine telling: -''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.'' 72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu: - ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours. While killing children and babies mercilessly they said: You are Turks, you must die.'' 28 year old Gulsum Huseyin: - ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of my eyes.'' Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming? Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region? The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off. Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these ""lies."" They are saying ""exaggeration."" That means ''somethings'' have happened but the situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's 3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach... The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word. Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre. Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.'' The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human rights violations. International reactions must be made with international cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming to be civilized. Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals, journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such as France who are fast to claim leadership of ""human rights?"" Where are you? Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 750,11,From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Lines: 12 From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) You obviously haven't read the information about the system. The chips put out serial number infomation into the cypher stream to allow themselves to be identified. The system does not rely on registering people as owning particular phone units. And probably as a back door to allow re-generation of the secret key. Have we determined yet that S1 and S2 don't ever change? G 751,19,"From: cocoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jewish history question Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 60 In article <1993Apr10.195513.17991@csi.uottawa.ca> misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes: >In article , cocoa@netcom.com (little 'e') writes: > [deleted] >> Here tis. Someone just told me that the Old Testament books were translated >> into Greek a long time ago > > Yes, that's a famous version called The Septuagint. It was a translation >made by Greek Jews. > >> and that the originals were destroyed in a fire soon afterward. > > I don't know what you're referring to here. When the Jersusalem Temple was >destroyed, some manuscripts may have been lost, but I think our extant Hebrew >manuscripts are as good as our Greek ones. I don't know about any ""originals"". The person who was telling me about the Septuagint version said that the Greeks had a wonderful library in Alexandria that was full of manuscripts/scrolls and that it was burned soon after the Septuagint version was translated (perhaps to conceal some changes in the different versions, or perhaps just as part of the typical burning of valuable things that occurs during changes in power groups, he/I dunno). >> So, I was just wondering, since I imagine some Jewish people somewhere must >> have had copies of the earlier Hebrew versions, is the Hebrew version of the >> Old Testament very different from the Greek derived version? > No. There are a few famous discrepancies (Isaiah's prophecy about a ""young >woman"" was changed into a ""virgin"", which was how the New Testament writers >read it), but not many. Well, perhaps this is the answer then. [deleted] > If you go to a Jewish bookstore, you'll get a Bible translated by Jews, so >there will be some differences in interpretation, but the text they're >translating *from* is basically the same. > > If you want to read ""the original"", you can buy an Interlinear Bible. That >contains the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament, with an English >translation written underneath each word. > > If you want a Bible with a possibly-more-original basic text, you can try >to find a Samaritan bible. (Good luck! I've never seen one.) The Samaritans >(no, not the Good Samaritans) have their own version of the 5 Books of Moses. >They claim the Jewish bible was altered by Ezra. Thanks for the tips. Now I just have to find someone to teach me Samaritan :) Just me, little 'e' (so, is a ""good Samaritan hard to find?"" or ""is a hard... "" Oh, finish this yourself.) -- * * * Chocolatier at Arms, and Castle Wetware Liason * * * * * * e-mail: cocoa@netcom.com - voicemail: 415-337-4940 * * * " 752,1,"From: crussell@netcom.com (Chris Russell) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) Organization: Adaptive Solutions, Custom Software & Support 909/861-4048 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 40 Mark Wilson (mark@ocsmd.ocs.com) wrote: : Mark A. Cartwright (markc@emx.utexas.edu) wrote: : : 42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the : : answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" : : Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : But it WAS discovered (sort of). The question was ""What is 7 times 8?"" [ Read on and there's a special prize at the bottom. Amaze your friends and gain respect from your peers that you can carry on so long about the number 42. ] The original question was ""What is the meaning of Life, the Universe, and and Everything."" The answer generated by Deep Thought (the 2nd largest computer ever created) was 42. Deep Thought realized that to understand the answer, one must really know what the question is. Unfortunately, he didn't. But he was able to help build the largest computer (named Earth) which could figure out the real question. (I know this is background knowledge for everyone here... just bear with me a sec... :) When Arthur pulled the scrabble tiles out of the bag, he spelled out ""What is nine times six?"" (or the like). However, it is not clear that the monkey-man had the right question in his brain, especially since it was that lady in the diner (which was vaporized moments later) that came up with the answer to how everyone could get along. On the other hand, Marvin said he saw the answer in Dent's brain, so lets presume it's correct. Well, NINE TIMES SIX ***IS*** FORTY-TWO!!! ...in base 13. Chew on that for awhile... :) -- Chris Russell Custom software, networks, CASE tools, and consulting Adaptive Solutions Sun SPARC, SGI IRIS, HP Apollo, Macintosh, & PC Internet: crussell@netcom.com GTE: 909/861-4048 U.S. Mail: P.O. Box 5424 Diamond Bar, CA 91675-7424 " 753,15,"From: jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) Subject: An agnostic's question Organization: BoGART To You Buddy, Bellevue, WA Lines: 24 Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup. I would describe myself as an agnostic, in so far as I'm sure there is no single, universal supreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be judged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the complication is that one of my best friends has become very fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he feels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is, according to his faith). This is a great strain to our friendship. I would have no problem if the subject didn't come up, but when it does, the discussion quickly begins to offend both of us: he is offended because I call into question his bedrock beliefs; I am offended by what I feel is a subscription to superstition, rationalized by such circular arguments as 'the Bible is God's word because He tells us in the Bible that it is so.' So my question is, how can I convince him that this is a subject better left undiscussed, so we can preserve what is (in all areas other than religious beliefs) a great friendship? How do I convince him that I am 'beyond saving' so he won't try? Thanks for any advice. -- Jim Tomlinson 206-865-6578 \ ""falling snow BoGART Project jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com \ excellent snow"" Boeing Computer Services ...uunet!bcstec!voodoo!jdt \ - Anderson/Gabriel " 754,16,"From: ""George Guillory"" Subject: Tx. Senator Bob Krueger RTKBA statement Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Performance Systems Int'l X-Mailer: WORLDLink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 10 For those of you interested, I just finished talking with a representative of Senator Bob Krueger's reelection campaign about his position on the RTKBA. Krueger was appointed by the Democratic Governor of Texas to complete Lloyd Bentsen's unexpired term. The representative said that Senator Krueger did not have a position and would only comment on specific legislation that was pending. No comment was available on the various versions of the Brady Bill. Be warned and vote accordingly. " 755,0,"From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: unix.C52Cw7.I6t Organization: Blasny Blasny, Consolidated (Amherst, MA Offices) Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr6.041343.24997@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes: >Roger and I have >clearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue; >specifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of >the Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live ""morally straight""). > >There is really nothing else to discuss. Apparently not. In response to his claim that it ""terrifies"" gay people not to be able to ""indoctrinate children to our lifestyle"" (or words to that effect), I sent Roger a very calm, carefully-written, detailed letter explaining simply why the BSA policy does, indeed terrify me. I did not use inflammatory language and left myself extremely open for an answer. Thus far, I have not received an answer. I can conclude only that Roger considers his position either indefensible or simply not worth defending. >Trying to cloud the issue >with comparisons to Blacks or other minorities is also meaningless >because it's like comparing apples to oranges (i.e., people can't >control their race but they can control their behavior). In fact, that's exactly the point: people can control their behavior. Because of that fact, there is no need for a blanket ban on homosexuals. >What else is there to possibly discuss on rec.scouting on this issue? You tell me. -- ____ Tim Pierce / ?Usted es la de la tele, eh? !La madre \ / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / del asesino! !Ay, que graciosa! \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / -- Pedro Almodovar " 756,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Article-I.D.: cnsvax.1993Apr17.012019.6087 Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 12 [reply to mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)] >Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at >expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology. >Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that... The guy didn't sound too shy to me. He sounded like a jerk. I say ditch him for someone more knowledgeable and empathetic. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 757,5,"From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) Subject: Re: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0 Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 22 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com In article <1rgt23INNonv@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM> rlee@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM (Richard Lee) writes: >: A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the >: OpenWindows 3. server (xnews). >I have seen the same problem using a SPARCStation 10, Solaris 2.1, OW 3.1. >In my case, it happens far more often than ""periodically"". I don't know if there's a corresponding patch for Solaris 2.1, but this sounds like the following bug which is supposedly fixed in 100492-06, the Solaris 1.x olwm Jumbo patch: 1108642 - window system can hang in an errant pointer grab Actually, I suspect that the OW 3.1 problem may be different, since the README file says that this patch is just a SunOS 4.x version of the OW 3.1 olwm (but maybe that line came from an earlier version of the patch, and they forgot to take it out in the -06 version). -- Barry Margolin System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp. barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar " 758,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 09/15 - Mission Schedules Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 177 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 19:59:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/schedule Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:23 $ SPACE SHUTTLE ANSWERS, LAUNCH SCHEDULES, TV COVERAGE SHUTTLE LAUNCHINGS AND LANDINGS; SCHEDULES AND HOW TO SEE THEM Shuttle operations are discussed in the Usenet group sci.space.shuttle, and Ken Hollis (gandalf@pro-electric.cts.com) posts a compressed version of the shuttle manifest (launch dates and other information) periodically there. The manifest is also available from the Ames SPACE archive in SPACE/FAQ/manifest. The portion of his manifest formerly included in this FAQ has been removed; please refer to his posting or the archived copy. For the most up to date information on upcoming missions, call (407) 867-INFO (867-4636) at Kennedy Space Center. Official NASA shuttle status reports are posted to sci.space.news frequently. WHY DOES THE SHUTTLE ROLL JUST AFTER LIFTOFF? The following answer and translation are provided by Ken Jenks (kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov). The ""Ascent Guidance and Flight Control Training Manual,"" ASC G&C 2102, says: ""During the vertical rise phase, the launch pad attitude is commanded until an I-loaded V(rel) sufficient to assure launch tower clearance is achieved. Then, the tilt maneuver (roll program) orients the vehicle to a heads down attitude required to generate a negative q-alpha, which in turn alleviates structural loading. Other advantages with this attitude are performance gain, decreased abort maneuver complexity, improved S-band look angles, and crew view of the horizon. The tilt maneuver is also required to start gaining downrange velocity to achieve the main engine cutoff (MECO) target in second stage."" This really is a good answer, but it's couched in NASA jargon. I'll try to interpret. 1) We wait until the Shuttle clears the tower before rolling. 2) Then, we roll the Shuttle around so that the angle of attack between the wind caused by passage through the atmosphere (the ""relative wind"") and the chord of the wings (the imaginary line between the leading edge and the trailing edge) is a slightly negative angle (""a negative q-alpha""). This causes a little bit of ""downward"" force (toward the belly of the Orbiter, or the +Z direction) and this force ""alleviates structural loading."" We have to be careful about those wings -- they're about the most ""delicate"" part of the vehicle. 3) The new attitude (after the roll) also allows us to carry more mass to orbit, or to achieve a higher orbit with the same mass, or to change the orbit to a higher or lower inclination than would be the case if we didn't roll (""performance gain""). 4) The new attitude allows the crew to fly a less complicated flight path if they had to execute one of the more dangerous abort maneuvers, the Return To Launch Site (""decreased abort maneuver complexity""). 5) The new attitude improves the ability for ground-based radio antennae to have a good line-of-sight signal with the S-band radio antennae on the Orbiter (""improved S-band look angles""). 6) The new attitude allows the crew to see the horizon, which is a helpful (but not mandatory) part of piloting any flying machine. 7) The new attitude orients the Shuttle so that the body is more nearly parallel with the ground, and the nose to the east (usually). This allows the thrust from the engines to add velocity in the correct direction to eventually achieve orbit. Remember: velocity is a vector quantity made of both speed and direction. The Shuttle has to have a large horizontal component to its velocity and a very small vertical component to attain orbit. This all begs the question, ""Why isn't the launch pad oriented to give this nice attitude to begin with? Why does the Shuttle need to roll to achieve that attitude?"" The answer is that the pads were leftovers from the Apollo days. The Shuttle straddles two flame trenches -- one for the Solid Rocket Motor exhaust, one for the Space Shuttle Main Engine exhaust. (You can see the effects of this on any daytime launch. The SRM exhaust is dirty gray garbage, and the SSME exhaust is fluffy white steam. Watch for the difference between the ""top"" [Orbiter side] and the ""bottom"" [External Tank side] of the stack.) The access tower and other support and service structure are all oriented basically the same way they were for the Saturn V's. (A side note: the Saturn V's also had a roll program. Don't ask me why -- I'm a Shuttle guy.) I checked with a buddy in Ascent Dynamics. He added that the ""roll maneuver"" is really a maneuver in all three axes: roll, pitch and yaw. The roll component of that maneuver is performed for the reasons stated. The pitch component controls loading on the wings by keeping the angle of attack (q-alpha) within a tight tolerance. The yaw component is used to determine the orbital inclination. The total maneuver is really expressed as a ""quaternion,"" a grad-level-math concept for combining all three rotation matrices in one four-element array. HOW TO RECEIVE THE NASA TV CHANNEL, NASA SELECT NASA SELECT is broadcast by satellite. If you have access to a satellite dish, you can find SELECT on Satcom F2R, Transponder 13, C-Band, 72 degrees West Longitude, Audio 6.8, Frequency 3960 MHz. F2R is stationed over the Atlantic, and is increasingly difficult to receive from California and points west. During events of special interest (e.g. shuttle missions), SELECT is sometimes broadcast on a second satellite for these viewers. If you can't get a satellite feed, some cable operators carry SELECT. It's worth asking if yours doesn't. The SELECT schedule is found in the NASA Headline News which is frequently posted to sci.space.news. Generally it carries press conferences, briefings by NASA officials, and live coverage of shuttle missions and planetary encounters. SELECT has recently begun carrying much more secondary material (associated with SPACELINK) when missions are not being covered. AMATEUR RADIO FREQUENCIES FOR SHUTTLE MISSIONS The following are believed to rebroadcast space shuttle mission audio: W6FXN - Los Angeles K6MF - Ames Research Center, Mountain View, California WA3NAN - Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC), Greenbelt, Maryland. W5RRR - Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, Texas W6VIO - Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, California. W1AW Voice Bulletins Station VHF 10m 15m 20m 40m 80m ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ----- ----- W6FXN 145.46 K6MF 145.585 7.165 3.840 WA3NAN 147.45 28.650 21.395 14.295 7.185 3.860 W5RRR 146.64 28.400 21.350 14.280 7.227 3.850 W6VIO 224.04 21.340 14.270 W6VIO 224.04 21.280 14.282 7.165 3.840 W1AW 28.590 21.390 14.290 7.290 3.990 W5RRR transmits mission audio on 146.64, a special event station on the other frequencies supplying Keplerian Elements and mission information. W1AW also transmits on 147.555, 18.160. No mission audio but they transmit voice bulletins at 0245 and 0545 UTC. Frequencies in the 10-20m bands require USB and frequencies in the 40 and 80m bands LSB. Use FM for the VHF frequencies. [This item was most recently updated courtesy of Gary Morris (g@telesoft.com, KK6YB, N5QWC)] SOLID ROCKET BOOSTER FUEL COMPOSITION Reference: ""Shuttle Flight Operations Manual"" Volume 8B - Solid Rocket Booster Systems, NASA Document JSC-12770 Propellant Composition (percent) Ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer) 69.6 Aluminum 16 Iron Oxide (burn rate catalyst) 0.4 Polybutadiene-acrilic acid-acrylonitrile (a rubber) 12.04 Epoxy curing agent 1.96 End reference Comment: The aluminum, rubber, and epoxy all burn with the oxidizer. NEXT: FAQ #10/15 - Historical planetary probes " 759,11,"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 17 Quoting strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) in article : >In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: > > >>So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front >>ends. > >This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed >encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without >clipper? Because that will make private encryption stick out like a sore thumb and the government will start to take a sharp interest in everything you do. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! " 760,14,From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: space food sticks Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: food dillon comments that Space Food Sticks may have bad digestive properties. I don't think so. I think most NASA food products were designed to be low fiber 'zero-residue' products so as to minimize the difficulties of waste disposal. I'd doubt they'd deploy anything that caused whole sale GI distress. There aren't enough plastic baggies in the world for a bad case of GI disease. pat 761,3,"From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu '>First off, with all these huge software packages and files that '>they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit). Micropolis seems to have broken this limit. They have IDE 560meg and 1050meg HD's available. Greg Greene ggg@kepler.unh.edu '>Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' '>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | '>The Lost Los Angelino | " 762,3,"From: saeid@ug.cs.dal.ca (Saeid 'the last frontier') Subject: Sending a Null character across Ethernet Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 10 I have a question regarding sending a NULL character across ethernet connection. The actual problem is that emacs (Unix editior) needs the NULL character for setting a mark and unfortunately we don't know how to sent that from IBM PCs across ethernet. I am wondering if anyboy knows the keyboard combination for sending the NULL character. BTW control,shift 2 which Ctrl @ does not work. Thanks Saeid " 763,14,"From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: Motorola Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? >What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other >than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? I haven't seen any speculation about it. But, the Salyut KB (Design Bureau) was planning a new LH/LOX second stage for the Proton which would boost payload to LEO from about 21000 to 31500 kg. (Geostationary goes from 2600 kg. (Gals launcher version) to 6000 kg.. This scheme was competing with the Energia-M last year and I haven't heard which won, except now I recently read that the Central Specialized KB was working on the successor to the Soyuz booster which must be the Energia-M. So the early results are Energia-M won, but this is a guess, nothing is very clear in Russia. I'm sure if Salyut KB gets funds from someone they will continue their development. The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track and erected on the pad? They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads (unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention. Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL " 764,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Leaf slump over Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 79 In <1993Apr13.190225.29001@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham >Hudson): >>You don't think he is performing ""under pressure"" now? The major >>differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play- >>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You >>play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this >>what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you >>mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of >>this drivel, simply half-baked? >This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who >would like to check. >He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased] >>""Playoff hockey"" is just an expression used by announcers to convince >>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better >>product than a regular-season game. >*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> >(Roger Maynard) writes: >>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters >>what playoff hockey is all about. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient >phrase to use in certain circumstances only? >You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later >it catches up with you.... Nice try Deepak, but ""tough Whaler squad"" should have clued you in to the fact that my Leaf woofing was tongue-in-cheek. If playoff hockey is any more intense than the regular season variety then it is because the teams are facing each other at least 4 consecutive times in 7 days and hockey being the contact sport that it is, some things will be carried over that might dissipate during the regular season. But that is only for some of the players. Many of the rest, who have been playing with injuries, who miss their families, or who, like Grant Fuhr, would really rather be playing golf, don't really give a damn. Of course I can't say this for sure, but I believe that this is fairly typical of human nature and I don't think that hockey players are above having what I consider typically human attitudes. With the recent salary escalations the key players are actually losing money by participating in the playoffs. The ones who regard the playoff ""take"" as some kind of a bonanza are fringe players who are unlikely to consistently be a force in the playoffs. Now I know some of you are going to come back with ""winning spirit"" and all of that crap but these players are professionals after all. While they may love to play the game that love is entirely incidental to their purpose, which is, to make a decent living. Of course, the coach is a professional as well, and part of what he is being paid to do is motivate the players. So, if the coach does his job well enough the players may respond with a winning effort. The second season, is after all, merely an exhibition. The true Champions of the league are the division winners, the teams that come out on top after the long struggle of the season. The Stanley cup playoffs merely accord victory to the team that has remained healthy and ""hot"". The emphasis on the playoffs, with their ""sudden death"" appeal has been promoted by the media and the owners with profit purely in mind. Even if Pittsburgh loses the playoffs, we all know that they were really the best team in the league over the year. They proved it. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 765,17,"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) Subject: Re: Clintons views on Jerusalem Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: Verify statements Lines: 21 In article <16BB28ABD.DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>, DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol > while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties > concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie > w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and > other participating neighboring contries). > I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from > politicians. > ----- > David Shalhevet / dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu / University of Illinois > Dept Anim Sci / 220 PABL / 1201 W. Gregory Dr. / Urbana, IL 61801 I was trying to avoid a discussion of the whether Clintons views should be endorsed or not. All I was trying to find out was whether the newspaper article was correct in making these statements about the President by obtaining some information about when and where he made these statements. Thank you. Ben. " 766,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: erythromycin Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <47974@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes: >Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? It depends on the cause of the pneumonia. For treating bacterial pneumonia in young otherwise-healthy non-smokers, erythromycin is usually considered the antibiotic of choice, since it covers the two most-common pathogens: strep pneumoniae and mycoplasma pneumoniae. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 767,9,"From: jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") Subject: WFAN Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 14 Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just wondering. Jonathan Alboum UVA PS. Did any one see Steve Sommers on 48 hours last night. The Chief was on too, doing Rangers Round up. It was pretty neat shmoozing S P O R T S on TV. " 768,4,"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Organization: Stanford University Lines: 42 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1993Apr16.191259.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >> mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >>>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >>>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > >> The LC family of Macs can only >> use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. > >Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the >difference is between PDS and Nubus? > >Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a >Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to >locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for >this? > >-- > O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ > - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! > / \ (_) (_) / | \ > | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET > - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV > ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could make one, technologically. The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller circuitry present on NuBus Macs. Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an LC/LCII/LCIII anyway. Mark " 769,15,"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 63 In a previous article, phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au () says: >In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: >> To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny >> God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very >> nature, prove anything. > >Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of >us that makes us ask the question ""Does God exist?"" i.e. self-awareness and >reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant >as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? > I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is believeing blindly or not. I'm not sure how blindness comes into it. I do not deny reason, indeed I insist upon it, but reason only draws conclusions from evidence. If you decide in advance that your reason will act only on the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut reason off from any possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the physical sphere (beyond the rather provocative, if inconclusive, conclusion that the physical sphere is not self explanatory). Christians claim that they have received a different kind of evidence, which they call faith, and which is a gift of God. That is, this evidence is the evidence of a thing which chooses to reveal or hide itself. The evidence of the senses cannot tell you is such a ting exists. Reasoning on the evidence of the senses won't help either. But Christians do reason of the evidence of faith, and do claim that this evidence is wholly consistent with the evidence of the other senses, and indeed, that the evidence of these other senses is part of God's revelation of himself to us. It is not necessarilly the case however that knowledge of a God must come through this route. There may be other senses than the physical ones providing evidence of non-physical realities. (There may, of course, be physical realities of a type for which we have no corresponding senses, for all we know.) These senses, if they exist, may provide valid evidence for reason to work on. And, as with all senses, these senses may be impaired in some people, that is, they may be spiritually blind. In this sense, belief in God becomes an act of sight, and it is disbelief which is blind. >You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if >we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since >we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? > Faith, as I have said, is not opposed to reason, it is simply a new source of evidence on which reason may operate. It is clear that human beings have many systems for explaining the evidence of the physical senses, and similarly there are many systems for explaining the evidence provided by faith. Religious believers in general, and Christians in particular, use reason to help sift through the evidence to come to a clearer understanding of the evidence provided by faith. Science claims, with good reason, to be the most valid system for explaining the physical universe, and Christianity claims, also with good reason, to be the most valid system, possessed of the best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations of himself to man. If you doubt that Christians use reason, read this newsgroup for a while and you will see rational debate aplenty. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== " 770,3,"From: wende@spk.hp.com (Mike Wende) Subject: Re: Zeos Computers Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 19 I have had a Zeos for a couple months. While the experience was not painless or perfect, it was way better than that endured by most (7 people I personally know) who have ordered Gateways. (Of course, several of the Gateway buyers were rewarded by getting free stuff as Gateway can't seem to keep track of what it has or hasn't sent out...B{) I got the 1 MB Viper card. The first one was defective, but Zeos replaced it with only minor hassles. This one works fine. I haven't noticed any problems in any of my applications. I also ordered it because of all the complaints about the ATI a few months ago. Guess you can choose either buggy state-of-the-art stuff, or robust average stuff.... For my particular configuration (tower, 300 watt supply, pkg#3, no monitor, viper, etc.) the Zeos was slightly cheaper than Gateway, Austin, etc. But this can change from month to month. Mike " 771,5,Subject: Automated X testing From: mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Mark D. Collier) Organization: Southwest Research Institute Lines: 13 Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could program (or which could record events/output) with our verification test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark D. Collier Southwest Research Institute Senior Research Analyst Automation and Data Systems Division Voice: (512) 522-3437 Data Systems Department FAX: (512) 522-5499 Software Engineering Section ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 772,10,"From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Mad Dog) Subject: Truly a sad day for hockey Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN Lines: 19 A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of 5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to play. Tonight, on the air on the Stars TV telecast, announcer Al Shaver, the voice of the North Stars, stated basically that he will not follow the team to Dallas. Shaver, when asked by his son (who was doing the broadcast with him), ""What will you do now?"" responded, ""First I'm going to get me a new pair of slippers. Then I'm going to sit in my easy chair and watch the world go by."" Thank you North Stars, and thank you Al Shaver, for 26 years of Minnesota memories. Joel Alvstad " 773,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15210 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr3.165155.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>, quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes: > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # # I thought I was clear. Because homosexuals support laws to force # # employment of homosexuals against the will of some employers, they # # are attempting to interfere with private acts between mutually consenting # # adults. # # Ok, I'll leave others to discuss your use of statistics, but I think I'm # able to discuss liberterian ideas. # The ideas are good. They seek to maximise individual rights by keeping # governments out of transactions between consenting adults. If an employer wants # to discriminate against a group, she/he should be allowed to to maximise their # freedom. The discriminatees can go elsewhere. # Unfortunately, it doesn't relate to maximising total individual rights # within a community. If an employer or shopkeeper or whatever can discriminate # in this way, then the freedom of the discriminatee goes down. Because people do # not live in perfect economic conditions, with perfect mobility, unlimited # numbers of potential employers of their skills, unlimited places to buy goods, # the liberterian argument leads to a *decrease* in the amount of liberty in the # community. You mean, if a large part of the population supports discrimination against homosexuals, they will be injured. But if a large part of the population supports such discrimination, how did that law get passed? # Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 774,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 14 In article <1qrn3aINN4rq@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >> The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. > >It ain't dead, yet. And even if it were repealed, remember, it just protects >our RKBA, it does not grant any rights. There would then have to be >additional laws passed to outlaw gun possession. Even if they outlawed private posession of firearms, there would be no moral force behind that law; I imagine compliance would be low. don " 775,5,"From: stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Steve Weet) Subject: Xterm Cursor X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA19241; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:09:02 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA08122; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:08:16 -0700 X-Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA13841; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:08:08 -0500 X-Received: from chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com ([140.101.110.3]) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for ) id AA05426; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:06:06 -0500 X-Received: by chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com (5.61/MCDMAIL IR04 [03/06/92 15:24]/1.36) id AA07883; Mon, 19 Apr 93 07:04:08 GMT X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.3 26jan93) X-To: comp.windows.x.usenet Lines: 42 Forgive me if this is a FAQ (I have checked the list but I cant find it). I have a problem with the cursor within Xterm on MONO (not grayscale monitors) The problem is that when I have an character application that displays input fields in reverse video the Xterm text cursor gets lost on the edge of the input field. The solution would appear to be to set the xterm cursor to a line rather than a block, but how do you do this. I can't find any means although various sources seem to indicate it can be done. When the xterm loses the input focus the cursor becomes an outlined block. This would also be preferable but I can't seem to force this to be the default either. Configuration is : Motorola 88K X11R4 Please reply by email if poss. Thank you -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group Beechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England. Phone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com Fax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group Beechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England. Phone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com Fax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075 " 776,3,"From: stam@netcom.com (David Stam) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cache Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 85 Penio Penev (penev@rockefeller.edu) wrote: > >I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >interface between the controller and the memory. > Chris Brinton (brinton@icd.teradyne.com) wrote: : I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get : 985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my : transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller : transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface : got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to What is the deal with the IDE transfer rates? Is anybody getting throughput anywhere close to the platter->controller rate? I haven't seen anything even close to the 5MB/sec limit of the IDE interface. These drives are 1:1 (non-interleaved), aren't they? Here are the rates I get: 1) sequential read (MSDOS C program that uses bios calls to read 64-sector blocks sequentially from outside (first) track inward) 8mhz bus 10mhz bus -------- --------- MAXTOR LXT340: 860KB/sec 976KB/sec QUANTUM LPS240: 862KB/sec 887KB/sec 2) disk buffer read (same C program, but re-reads the same block repeatedly so in effect is reading the RAM buffer on the drive) 8mhz bus 10mhz bus -------- --------- MAXTOR LXT340: 1046KB/sec 1212KB/sec QUANTUM LPS240: 1015KB/sec 1276KB/sec 3) CORETEST V2.7 transfer rate (seems to agree with (2) above) 8mhz bus 10mhz bus -------- --------- MAXTOR LXT340: 1051KB/sec 1224KB/sec QUANTUM LPS240: 1026KB/sec 1298KB/sec I managed to get hold of the QUANTUM LPS240AT product manual and it goes into excrutiating detail describing how the bits get from the platter, through the controller, and out the IDE interface. Nowhere do I see anything like ""after the bits are whipped of the platter at high speed they sit around in a buffer to thaw before they are sent to the host"" (even though I SWEAR that's whats happening ;->). Here are some relevent quotes from the manual: ""Data is transferred from the disk to the read buffer at a rate of 3.75 MB/s maximum, 1.87MB/s minimum."" (My calculations show 3121KB/sec maximum and 1578KB/sec minimum... disk spins at 4306 RPM with 87 sectors per track on the outside and 44 on the inside) ""Single burst errors of up to 24 bits within one sector can be corrected 'on-the-fly', in real time as they occur, allowing a high degree of data integrity with no impact to the drive's performance."" (I take this to mean error correction isn't the bottleneck) ""For page-mode operations, the data-transfer rate to and from the buffer RAM is up to 10.0 MB/s. This high transfer rate allows the AT Interface IC to communicate over the AT bus at a data-transfer rate of 5.0 MB/s, while the DCS simultaneously controls disk-to-RAM transfers"" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So the thing can even do it's cache pre-fetch WHILE it's sending the requested sector (it has 3 64KB read buffers for pre-fetching, I guess you could call that a cache :-|). So when I do a sequential read on the outer tracks, WHY am I getting a measly 862KB/sec when I should be getting around 3MB/sec??? Any of you hard-disk engineers out there know? Wondering why my disks are so slow, David o o --------------------oOO-(_)-OOo-------------------------------------------- David Stam Linux: The choice of a GNU generation stam@netcom.com 386-un*x-X11R5-Openlook-gcc-TeX-FREE! " 777,1,"From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 25 Distribution: world <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sylvester.cc.utexas.edu In-reply-to: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? CH> Just curious. I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly into one of these categories. Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured environment. -- /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ / Michael Nerone \""I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\ / Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\ /nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it.""-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\ " 778,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 39 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >Most of the >people in my village are regular inhabitants that go about their daily >business, some work in the fields, some own small shops, others are >older men that go to the coffe shop and drink coffee. Is that so hard to >imagine ???? ...quickly followed by... >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often >suspect who they are and what they are up to. This is the standard method for claiming non-combatant status, even for the commanders of combat. >These young men are >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. ""Innocent civilians""??? Like the ones who set up the booby traps or engaged in shoot-outs with soldiers or attack them with grenades or axes? >We are now accustomed to Israeli tactics, and we figure that this is And the rest of the world is getting used to Arab tactics of claiming innocence for even the most guilty of the vile murderers among them. Keep it up long enough and it will backfire but good. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 779,7,"From: bhaskar@orion.me.uiuc.edu (Bhaskar Manda) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes: >>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear >>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using >>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush >>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster. >In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential. >Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake >cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. >BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!. Keep up the good work guys. Afterall the cops need to be occupied with someone so that lesser mortals like us can be left alone. Bhaskar@orion.me.uiuc.edu " 780,1,"From: brr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRANT RICHARD RITTER) Subject: computer graphics to vcr? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 15 HELP MY FRIEND AND I HAVE A CLASS PROJECT IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A COMPUTER ANIMATED MOVIE OF SORTS WITH THE DISNEY ANIMATION AND WOULD LIKE TO PUT WHAT WE HAVE ON A VCR IS THIS POSSIBLE? IS IT EASY AND RELATIVELY CHEAP? IF SO HOW? WE BOTH HAVE 386 IBM COMPATIBLES BUT ARE RELATIVELY CLUELESS WITH COMPUTERS IF YOU COULD HELP PLEASE DO. THANX. -- BRANT RITTER ----------------------------------------------------- moshing-- ""a cosmic cesspool of physical delight."" -A. Kiedas RHCP ----------------------------------------------------- " 781,8,"From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist Organization: QNX Software Systems, Ltd. Lines: 73 In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: > >So the question I have is ""HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING""? Tough question -- more dangerous than driving a car, and far more dangerous if you don't apply a modicum of intelligence to the activity. Basically, stupidity will get you hurt/killed a lot faster on a motorcycle than in a car. But with care, it is not unreasonably dangerous. Also, buying good protective clothing is helpful, that way if something does go wrong, you are likely to be less severely injured. First thing, if possible take a (MSF) driver training course, this will get you started on the right foot -- they teach control of the vehicle and safe riding practices. Second, buy protective gear. At minimum a good helmet and a pair of leather gloves are a must. A good sturdy piece of footgear is also very helpful, though leather hiking boots, a pair of old army boots, or something similar works fine for this purpose as long as you make sure the laces stay tied. After those, a leather jacket and leather pants or chaps are nice as well; but these are also expensive items. For the pants, many people consider a good pair of jeans to be reasonable, preferably recent and of a fairly heavy weight. Similarly for a jacket, a good jean jacket is a reasonable compromise, though more people tend to have leather jackets around than pants. Another thing to do is drop in on garage sales looking for a second-hand leather jacket. Look for a fairly thick leather in these items. Third don't do anything stupid -- don't ride after drinking, even one drink can noticeably affect you judgement and balance; don't ride in the snow, or when conditions are such that black ice is likely; be very careful riding in the rain -- slow way down, take corners gingerly, brake early and gently; try not to ride if you are sick, tired, taking any medication with drowsiness warnings, or otherwise not in average shape. With care, you should be ok. >The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for >a first time rider. I don't want to race; nor do I want to >ride cross country; nor do I want to ride on dirt trails. I'll >probably drive it on back roads with occasional rides on city >streets and freeways. The maximum I can spend is about $2500 so >I'll be looking at a used bike. I would suggest mid to late 80's japanese mid-sized standard. Something in 400-650 cc range would probably be reasonable. If you are shorter/lighter than average, you might want to go as low as a 300-400 cc bike. Possible models: The Suzuki GS### series (eg. GS500, GS650, etc.). These are generally inline 4 bikes, generally dependable except for a tendency to weakness in the charging system. (Stator and/or Regulator/Rectifier problems.) My first bike was a (about '82) GS650, it server me well. The Honda Nighthawk series (this may also be known as the CB### series I think). eg. Honda CB450, CB650, etc. This is another series of standard motorcycles. Also fairly dependable. Kawasaki and Yamaha probably have similar bikes, but I don't know them as well. For mid to late '80s models of the above, you should be able to buy the bike for under $2000, leaving you money for protective clothing and insurance and licensing costs. Hope this helps, -David (dagibbs@qnx.com) " 782,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: sgi Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> |> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base |> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly |> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), |> almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or |> believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see |> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on |> a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it |> it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values |> such as this exist. My own personal and highly subjective opinion is that freedom is a good thing. However, when I here people assert that the only ""true"" freedom is in following the words of this and that Messiah, I realise that people don't even agree on the meaning of the word. What does it mean to say that word X represents an objective value when word X has no objective meaning? jon. " 783,1,"From: richter@fossi.hab-weimar.de (Axel Richter) Subject: True Color Display in POV Keywords: POV, Raytracing Nntp-Posting-Host: fossi.hab-weimar.de Organization: Hochschule fuer Architektur und Bauwesen Weimar, Germany Lines: 6 Hallo POV-Renderers ! I've got a BocaX3 Card. Now I try to get POV displaying True Colors while rendering. I've tried most of the options and UNIVESA-Driver but what happens isn't correct. Can anybody help me ? " 784,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 13 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above) Vanity mirrors on the driver's side. Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road) Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. Any gold trim. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 785,14,"From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? In-Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.uucp's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 09:10:51 GMT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University <1993Apr7.124724.22534@yang.earlham.edu> <1993Apr12.161742.22647@yang.earlham.edu> <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: In article <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon writes: >This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought not >to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would >think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. > >Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much >larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, >they will simply be able to afford more stuff. If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* on a lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing military, scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than just a ""we have the money, why not?"" approach. Ah, but the whole point is that money spent on a lunar base is not wasted on the moon. It's not like they'd be using $1000 (1000R?) bills to fuel their moon-dozers. The money to fund a lunar base would be spent in the country to which the base belonged. It's a way of funding high-tech research, just like DARPA was a good excuse to fund various fields of research, under the pretense that it was crucial to the defense of the country, or like ESPRIT is a good excuse for the EC to fund research, under the pretense that it's good for pan-European cooperation. Now maybe you think that government-funded research is a waste of money (in fact, I'm pretty sure you do), but it does count as investment spending, which does boost the economy (and just look at the size of that multiplier :->). Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu " 786,15,"From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK. Lines: 22 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >following Christ. From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict >obedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have >""justly"" punished the Jews for the killing Christ It is funny how this one little quote from Genesis is treated by certain anti-Christians as if Christians have been given a firm command to destroy the earth. You could prove almost anything by taking little quotes out of context from the Bible - it's a big book, you know. I doubt you could find a single case of a anti-ecological action taking place specifically because teh perpetrator was motivated by a Christian belief. As for the Nazis, they were motivated by German Nationalism, not by Christianity. In fact they despised Christianity as a weak pacifist religion, and were much more keen on pagan glorification of strength and warfare. They killed the Jews because they were not Germans, not because they were ""Christ-killers"" - they were just as keen on killing the other non-German ethnic minority, the Romanies or Gypsies. Matthew Huntbach " 787,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 20 cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: >>Would you tell me which Arab country is prohipiting the Jews from >>migrating to Palestine? >the last arab country was syria. but not all of them >migrated due to the jewish state economical and >securital dilemma! As usual, when Salah is not totally racist, she manages to get virtually all the facts wrong. Assad pledged to allow Jews to leave Syria, but not to go to Israel. Unfortunately, not all of them have escaped yet, but not because they don't want to leave; rather, Assad went back on his word and stopped issuing travel permits. He claimed bureaucratic snags, but everyone knows it was a tactic to pressure Israel. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 788,0,"From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" In-Reply-To: bevans@carina.unm.edu's message of 4 Apr 1993 12:19:20 GMT Organization: - <1993Apr3.214557.24073@midway.uchicago.edu> <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu> Lines: 21 In article <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu> bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes: Just what do gay people do that straight people don't? Absolutely nothing. I'm a VERY straight(as an arrow), 17-year old male that is involved in the BSA. I don't care what gay people do among each other, as long as they don't make passes at me or anything. At my summer camp where I work, my boss is gay. Not in a 'pansy' way of gay (I know a few), but just 'one of the guys'. He doesn't push anything on me, and we give him the same respect back, due to his position. If anything, the BSA has taught me, I don't know, tolerance or something. Before I met this guy, I thought all gays were 'faries'. So, the BSA HAS taught me to be an antibigot. Basically, It comes down to this: What you do among yourself is your own business. No one else has the right to tell you otherwise, unless it violates someone else's civil rights. " 789,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Fri, April 16, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 123 Philadelphia 1 1 2 1--5 Hartford 1 2 1 0--4 First period 1, Hartford, Nylander 10 (unassisted) 8:51. 2, Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour) pp, 19:59. Second period 3, Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron) 2:00. 4, Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi) 7:09. 5, Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson) 9:38. Third period 6, Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels) pp, 1:24. 7, Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich) 3:11. 8, Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel) 3:38. Overtime 9, Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust) 1:15. Philadelphia: 5 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Beranek 1 0 1 Bowen 1 0 1 Brind'Amour 0 2 2 Eklund 0 1 1 Faust 1 1 2 Lindros 0 1 1 Lomakin 0 1 1 Recchi 1 1 2 Roussel 0 1 1 Yushkevich 1 1 2 Hartford: 4 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Burt 1 0 1 Cassels 0 1 1 Cunneyworth 0 1 1 Kron 1 1 2 Nylander 2 0 2 Sanderson 0 2 2 Zalapski 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- New Jersey 0 3 1--4 NY Islanders 3 3 2--8 First period 1, NY Islanders, Turgeon 56 (unassisted) 4:11. 2, NY Islanders, Thomas 36 (Malakhov, King) pp, 5:58. 3, NY Islanders, Ferraro 14 (Dalgarno, Malakhov) 18:16. Second period 4, New Jersey, Niedermayer 11 (Richer, Nicholls) 0:41. 5, NY Islanders, Mullen 18 (Vaske, Dalgarno) 1:15. 6, NY Islanders, Thomas 37 (Hogue, Norton) 2:12. 7, New Jersey, Zelepukin 23 (unassisted) 17:11. 8, New Jersey, Richer 38 (Nicholls, Daneyko) 17:23. 9, NY Islanders, Hogue 33 (Flatley, Ferraro) 18:42. Third period 10, NY Islanders, Turgeon 57 (unassisted) 3:45. 11, New Jersey, Semak 37 (Lemieux, Driver) 9:06. 12, NY Islanders, Turgeon 58 (King, Pilon) 10:21. NY Islanders: 8 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Dalgarno 0 2 2 Ferraro 1 1 2 Flatley 0 1 1 Hogue 1 1 2 King 0 2 2 Malakhov 0 2 2 Mullen 1 0 1 Norton 0 1 1 Pilon 0 1 1 Thomas 2 0 2 Turgeon 3 0 3 Vaske 0 1 1 New Jersey: 4 Power play: 2-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Daneyko 0 1 1 Driver 0 1 1 Lemieux 0 1 1 Nicholls 0 2 2 Niedermayer 1 0 1 Richer 1 1 2 Semak 1 0 1 Zelepukin 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- NY Rangers 1 0 1--2 Washington 1 1 2--4 First period 1, NY Rangers, Graves 36 (Zubov, Andersson) 6:17. 2, Washington, Ridley 26 (unassisted) 18:33. Second period 3, Washington, Hatcher 34 (Johansson) 12:19. Third period 4, Washington, Jones 12 (May) 2:49. 5, Washington, Cote 21 (Khristich, Pivonka) pp, 18:55. 6, NY Rangers, Gartner 45 (Amonte, Andersson) pp, 19:50. Washington: 4 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Cote 1 0 1 Hatcher 1 0 1 Johansson 0 1 1 Jones 1 0 1 Khristich 0 1 1 May 0 1 1 Pivonka 0 1 1 Ridley 1 0 1 NY Rangers: 2 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Amonte 0 1 1 Andersson 0 2 2 Gartner 1 0 1 Graves 1 0 1 Zubov 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- " 790,1,"From: renouar@amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr (Renouard Olivier) Subject: LOOKING for CTDS ! Keywords: CTDS Nntp-Posting-Host: amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique Lines: 5 I can't find CTDS (Connect The Dots Smoother) in France. If it is a commercial program I'll happily pay whatever it may cost (do not take it litterally). Please help! I have *LOTS* of PoV sources, texture images and animations though, if you are looking for something, just tell. " 791,6,"From: berger@c4west.eds.com (Damien Berger) Subject: Saturn For Sale Summary: 1992 Saturn SL2 5spd Keywords: auto, saturn Nntp-Posting-Host: molokai Organization: EDS C4 West Lines: 14 1992 Saturn SL2 5spd 23K miles AC, cruise, ABS, Air Bag, Cassette, Anti Theft Excellent 12,000/obo Consider 85-88 4dr 5spd compact as part trade Damien Berger berger@ug.eds.com " 792,16,"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu's message of 21 Apr 1993 02:42:37 GMT In <1r2cat$5a9@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: > cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > :mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > : > :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > :> in Texas. > : > :Do YOU eat all your food cold? > > Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. > I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor. Minor quibble: The assualt (and it was one) began near dawn. The fire did not break out for several hours. I find it highly unlikely that the BD would be cooking lunch while armored vehicles punch holes in their house and are pumping in tear gas. The lantern story makes more sense, except the fire seemed to spread too quickly, even given the nature of the buildings and the very high winds. And it was daylight, but I guess in the innner recesses it could be dark--shutters probably closed as well. Which puts us back to the FBI did it, or the BD did it, or some other screw- up occured, which is quite possible. The problem with the FBI as a monolithic entity doing it is that it requires *everybody* involved to keep their mouths shut. While they tended to behave like total idiots, that does not make them homocidal maniacs, either. And if it was one nutcase agent, then it serves no purpose to blame the whole agency. I can believe that a real nut-case like a Koresh would start such a fire, but I'm far from convinced he actually did so. Then again, I rarely go off making blanket condemnations and pronouncments within 2 hours of a very confusing incident over 175 miles away... semper fi, Jammer Jim Miller Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________ I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. ""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph " 793,16,"From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 40 In article <1qksp9$l39@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.142322.1318@atlastele.com>, brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: >> and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I >> don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on >> an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell >> me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> does not make it LAW. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Sorry, but I really can't figure out what you're trying to say, above. I guess what I am really asking, like I did above, how does my government who is my servent, tell me the soveriegn what I can or cannot possess? It would seem to me that the act of possessing a machine gun is no less ""criminal"", by definition, than the act of possessing a television set. I also would seem to me that it would be better to pass laws that say, that if I harm or kill someone with the machine gun or the television set that there would be specific penalties for doing such. > >> Everyone knows that laws are constitional >> until it goes to court. Sorry, I was close. > >Not exactly: >""No on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law, and no courts are > bound to enforce it."" > 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 > late 2d, Sec 256 -- Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" Support Engineer \`o_O' Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark brians@atlastele.com U " 794,2,"From: kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de (Stefan Kuehnel, SWL) Subject: Re: NT Questions Reply-To: kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany Lines: 38 In article 5802@news.yale.edu, adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (Adriene Nazaretian) writes: > In article <1993Mar26.020427.29119@samba.oit.unc.edu>, tclark@med.unc.edu (Thomas B. Clark) says [...] > >2. Is the driver support as seamless as program support? > >e.g., Will my Soundblaster, scanner, CD-Rom, tape backup > >continue to work even if there are no specific NT drivers? > > > There is a hardware compatibility guide to answer these questions. > There are many drivers for CD Rom and there are MIDI and other ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > sound drivers installed, I dont do a lot with sound digitizing on this > platform, but recall seeing items for their configuration in the Control > Panel Applet. There is built in support for tape backup systems as well. [...] My Problem: I wasn't aware of the fact that I would need an *SCSI*-CD-ROM for Windows NT when ordering the Beta-SDK-Package. So my question: Is there any driver available that will allow me to use my Mitsumi (Non-SCSI) CD-ROM for installation ? If there is one, from which place (ftp-site) can I get it ? Many thanks in advance Stefan Kuehnel --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- /\ Stefan K""uhnel | |/ kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de |\ kuehnel@swl.uni-hannover.de (neu ab. 17.04.1993) | \/ Die oben wiedergegebene Meinung ist meine private und nicht die des RRZN, des LG RVS der UH oder einer anderen Institution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 795,9,"From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam Subject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In my last message, I wrote: **************************************************** 12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing. ****************************************************** I meant argument instead of agreement. Also, I think I should add a coouple of Ted's positive achievements - Smiley trade was good for the pirates. but I think Ted could have gotten someone better than Neagle. Cummings seems to be pretty good. - The Cole trade was excellent. BUt Simmons has botched it up now. -This year's draft seems to have gone well for the PIrates. BUt then they lost 2 high picks in the Bonds fiasco. OH well, I should give up trying to prove that Simmons is not a total idiot. " 796,10,"From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Article-I.D.: abyss.1psqioINN3mg Distribution: world Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ick X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes: : In article smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: : > MVP Biggest Biggest : > Suprise Disappointment : : >Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey : : : I would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise. They : did expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't : think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his : rookie year. His speed, skating ability, and puck control is : exceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings. : I agree, with Marty McSorely and Warren Rychel running a close second and third. I am surprised more people have not noted Knickle as the biggest surprise, even though I personally do not really rate him well. The biggest disappointment has to be Carson. Though this is really unfair, since too much was expected of him. The second biggest disappointment is Melrose, with his adolescent handling of the goaltending problems. Putting Hrudey on the bench for a month is just stupid. It did not contribute to the team coming out of its slump. MVP is surely Robitaille. dvb " 797,4,"From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i Nntp-Posting-Host: christian.informatik.uni-ulm.de Organization: University of Ulm Lines: 18 In article , ""Donpaul C. Stephens"" wrote: > > What is the difference? > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May > > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only > what is the best? Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed. As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS) You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions. It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other manufacturer Christian Bauer bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de " 798,5,"From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST Lines: 10 In-reply-to: whaley@sigma.kpc.com's message of 20 Apr 93 01:12:28 GMT In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: > As per your question: why not have the button handler add the object, and > then call the ""window_redraw()"" (or whatever) directly? Although, depending This design will work but I don't think it can take easily take advantage of expose event redraw optimization; that is, the whole window will be redrawn, not just the area with the new item. P.S. I'm replying here because my/your mailer didn't agree with the return address whaley@sigma.kpc.com. " 799,5,From: steerr@h01.UUCP (R. William Steer) Subject: X server for NT? Organization: The Internet Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: cognac!sunpitt!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM Does anybody have an X server for NT that they're willing to share files or experiences? Bill Steer Westinghouse 800,14,"From: mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: MDSSC Lines: 60 jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: >>cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: >>> The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit >>> of Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. But I strongly suspect >>> that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to realize that much more >>> was at stake than $25,000. Could it work with the moon? Who are the >>> far-sighted financial backers of today? >> The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- >>and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. >>The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long >>transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. > Lindbergh's flight took place in '27, not the thirties. Of course; sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to the fact that far more aeronautical development took place in the '30's. For much of the '20's, the super-abundance of Jennies and OX-5 engines held down the industry. By 1926, many of the obsolete WWI aircraft had been retired and Whirlwind had their power/weight ratio and reliability up to the point where long-distance flights became practical. It's important to note that the Atlantic was flown not once but THREE times in 1927: Lindbergh, Chamberlin and Levine, and Byrd's _America_. ""When it's time to railroad, you railroad."" >>It didn't require gov't to fund these as long as something was known about >>the potential for profit at the destination. In practice, some were gov't >>funded, some were private. >Could you give examples of privately funded ones? Not off the top of my head; I'll have to dig out my reference books again. However, I will say that the most common arrangement in Prince Henry the Navigator's Portugal was for the prince to put up part of the money and merchants to put up the rest. They profits from the voyage would then be shared. >>But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount >>of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. >A person who puts up $X billion for a moon base is much more likely to do >it because they want to see it done than because they expect to make money >off the deal. The problem is that the amount of prize money required to inspire a Moon Base is much larger than any but a handful of individuals or corporations can even consider putting up. The Kremer Prizes (human powered aircraft), Orteig's prize, Lord Northcliffe's prize for crossing the Atlantic (won in 1919 by Alcock and Brown) were MUCH smaller. The technologies required were within the reach of individual inventors, and the prize amounts were well within the reach of a large number of wealthy individuals. I think that only a gov't could afford to set up a $1B+ prize for any purpose whatsoever. Note that Burt Rutan suggested that NASP could be built most cheaply by taking out an ad in AvWeek stating that the first company to build a plane that could take off and fly the profile would be handed $3B, no questions asked. -- Keith Mancus | N5WVR | ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, | when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish | " 801,12,"From: donrm@sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery) Subject: Radio Shack Battery of the Month Club Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 10 Radio Shack has canceled their ""Battery of the Month"" Club. Does anyone know why? They say they'll honor existing cards in customer hands, but no new cards will be issued. Don Montgomery donrm@sr.hp.com " 802,8,"From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts Organization: Why do you suspect that? Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr12.042749.2557@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.022233.17927@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >>In article cs225a82@dcl-nxt19.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes: >>> >>>I have a quick question. I recently got a bike and drive it often, but my >>>one problem is the wind messing with my contacts. I have gas permeable >>How about a full face helmet with the face sheild down. Works for me. > > Actually, this doesn't always work for me either. I have wind that > blows around inside my RF200 some, and it'll dry my eyes out / get dust > in them eventually unless I'm also wearing sunglasses inside my > helmet. I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind out of my contacts. Mumble, mumble, mumble ... Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85 " 803,10,"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Blues steal game 1 from Hawks Keywords: Blues, Hull, Shanahan, Joseph, Blackhawks, Belfour Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 125 The Blues scored two power-play goals in 17 seconds in the third period and the beat the Chicago Blackhawks 4-3 Sunday afternoon at Chicago Stadium. Brendan Shanahan tied the game 3-3 and Brett Hull scored the game winner 17 seconds later. Jeff Brown and Denny Felsner scored the other Blues goals. Brian Noonan had the hat trick for the Hawks, who also had some very good goaltending from Ed Belfour. Blues goalie Curtis Joseph was solid down the stretch to preserve the Blues lead. The Hawks came out strong in the first period, outshooting the Blues 6-1 and taking a 1-0 lead on Noonan's first goal. Right after an interference penalty on Rick Zombo had expired, Keith Brown intercepted a clearing attempt at the blue line and passed the puck to Steve Larmer in the right circle. Larmer fired a long slap shot, and Noonan deflected the puck between Joseph's pads. After the goal, the Blues picked up the intensity and went on to outshoot the Hawks 10-9 in the first period. Jeff Brown tied the game 1-1 at 3:12 of the second. Nelson Emerson broke in on the left side, got by Craig Muni and pushed the puck across the slot. Belfour came out to play the pass and shoveled it to the right boards, where Brown collected it and slapped it in before Belfour could get back to the goal. Two minutes later on a Hawks power play, Belfour stopped Rich Sutter on a short-handed break-in. Chris Chelios picked up the puck and passed it to Jeremy Roenick who carried it on right wing and found an open Noonan with a nice pass across the slot. Noonan fired it past Joseph at 5:30 for the 2-1 lead. Noonan completed his hat trick 3:11 later to increase the Hawks' lead to 3-1. Stephane Matteau made a nice pass from the right boards to Noonan who beat Stephane Quintal by driving to the net. Joseph had no chance as Noonan deflected the puck in the net. Denny Felsner reduced the Blues deficit to 3-1 at 12:49 after picking up the rebound of Basil McRae's slap shot from the slot. Janney set up McRae for the shot, and the puck sailed wide of the net and bounced off the end boards to Felsner. Felsner sticked the rebound into the partially open net. The Blues outshot the Hawks 10-5 in the second period. With the Blackhawks leading 3-2 at 9:56 of the third, Stephane Matteau picked up a high sticking penalty. Just 53 seconds into the power play, Steve Smith was called for slashing, giving the Blues a 5-on-3 advantage for 1:07. The Blues didn't waste time as Brendan Shanahan scored just 23 seconds into the two-man advantage to tie the game 3-3. Janney found Hull in the slot, and Hull fired a rocket at Belfour. Jeff Brown collected the rebound and passed it to Shanahan in the left circle. Shanahan beat Belfour from a sharp angle. Just 17 seconds later, Hull scored the game winner for the Blues. Nelson Emerson broke in on right wing, carried the puck behind the net along with two Hawks defensemen. Emerson made a nice pass to an unchecked Hull in the slot, and Hull beat Belfour to put the Blues up 4-3. The Hawks had several chances to tie the game in the final minutes, but Joseph made some brilliant saves to prevent the Hawks from scoring. He stopped Troy Murray point blank from just right of the crease with 2:30 left in the game. The Blues killed off a late Hawks power play, with Rich Sutter clearing the puck with his hand as it was trickling along the goal line. The Blues held on to win the game. The Hawks oushot the Blues 13-7 in the third period, totaling 27 shots on goal for each team. The Blues special teams were excellent in the game. The Blues killed 6 of 7 Hawks power plays, and scored twice on on four power play chances. The Blues ranked among the best special teams in the league. They rank 2nd in penalty killing and 3rd on the power play. The game was carried live on ABC, the first time an NHL game other than an All-Star game has been shown on network television since May 24, 1980, when CBS carried Game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals. The best-of-seven series continues Wednesday in Chicago and Friday and Sunday in St. Louis. Box score --------- Blues 4, Blackhawks 3 BLUES 0 2 2 -- 4 CHICAGO 1 2 0 -- 3 FIRST PERIOD CHI -- Noonan 1 (Larmer, K.Brown), 8:17. Penalties -- Shanahan, StL (holding), 2:28; Zombo, StL (interference), 6:00; Murphy, Chi (high-sticking), 11:30; Grimson, Chi (boarding), 14:39; Zombo, StL (holding), 18:46. SECOND PERIOD STL -- Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson), 3:12. CHI -- (PPG) Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios), 5:40. CHI -- Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter), 8:51. STL -- Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney), 12:49. Penalties -- Baron, StL (interference), 4:33; Wilson, StL (tripping), 9:31. THIRD PERIOD STL -- (PPG) Shanahan 1 (J.Brown, Hull), 11:12. STL -- (PPG) Hull 1 (Emerson, J.Brown), 11:29. Penalties -- Shanahan, StL (roughing), 1:54; Matteau, Chi (high-sticking), 9:56; Smith, Chi (slashing), 10:49; Baron, StL (roughing), 14:23. SHOTS ON GOAL BLUES 10 10 7 -- 27 CHICAGO 9 5 13 -- 27 Power-play Opportunities -- St. Louis 2 of 4; Chicago 1 of 7. Goaltenders -- St. Louis, Joseph, 1-0-0 (27 shots-24 saves). Chicago, Belfour, 0-1-0 (27-23). Referee -- Kerry Fraser. Linesmen -- Kevin Collins, Brian Murphy. A -- 16,199. %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % % \ ________/ * * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % % \ \ Contact for the Blues * * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % % (___) BLUES * *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% " 804,2,"From: moore@email.ncsc.navy.mil (Jim Moore) Subject: RE: Can I Change """"Licensed To"""" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Coastal Systems Station Lines: 27 In article <16APR93.02280936@vax.clarku.edu> rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >This is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to: >information of MS-Windows... > >In a previous article, 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: >> >> ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >>disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can >>write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I > >I can find it with a HEX editor, although I have not tried to overwrite it. >Are you sure it can't be? You may be mistaken about this. (???) You can change it. As part of a continuously downsizing Government organization, my code (branch) changes about once a year. I just finished changing the registration information using Norton Utilities. I sent the original requester the hex offset into USER.EXE containing the information, and his reply indicated he got several similar answers. And it's not encoded in any way. As for the legality, there's nothing that keeps me from changing the information; it certainly doesn't reach out and alter the serial number printed on the inside of my manual. -- Jim Moore Panama City, FL " 805,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Living Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.213402.10821@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes: >>Thanks for the compliments, Allan, but I think you sidestepped >>my point there. I didn't say I didn't take *any* chances. Sheesh, >>getting out of bed in the morning is risky; I sprained my ankle Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep. It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals. Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru London with one leg held aloft. (Climbing wasnt a problem - the best splint in the world is a tight climbing shoe.) " 806,7,"From: chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr16.193553.27118@mksol.dseg.ti.com> a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) writes: >In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes: >> >>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic >>transmissions from all ""performance-type"" cars (like the 5.0l >>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of >>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans, >>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO. >> >> James >> >I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto >w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned >for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live >in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic >here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be >more fun. > I don't know if it's as much an issue of their ablility to handle the power as it is the power they lose (in the torque converter, etc). >Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be >shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here. >Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0 >Camaro w/ a five speed. > However, if you encounter a '93 Formula with 5.7L & 6-Speed Manual, You'll be SOL, I'm afraid. ;) BTW, I know of what I speak as a former owner of a 5.7L Auto IROC (1989) and current owner of the aforementioned car... Chris S. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Silvester | ""Any man capable of getting himself elected President chriss@sam.amgen.com | should by no means be allowed to do the job"" chriss@netcom.com | - Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 807,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Pat Robertson says ... Keywords: Homosexuality Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 25 [In response to a report by CBN News correspondent Ken Lormond about a meeting between Slick Willie and homosexual activists:] Lormond: ""But Clinton will not be attending a rally by homosexuals in Washington later this month. He will instead be out of town, on a retreat with Senate Democrats."" Robertson: ""Yeah, he'd better retreat."" [Laughter, followed by sustained applause] [Later, in a report by correspondent Deborah Whitsen on the fizzling boycott instigated by homosexuals against Colorado:] Whitsen: ""Colorado ski resorts have seen record crowds this year despite a call by homosexual activists for boycott of the state ... There have been record snowfalls in the mountains this year, and the skiers have been coming in droves ..."" Robertson: ""And God said, let it snow ..."" [More sustained applause] -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 808,0," cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!bdunn Subject: Re: The wrong and the right. From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Lines: 25 In article <93090.141001E62763@TRMETU.BITNET> writes: >Hi.I'm a Turkish guy who had tried atheism,satenism and buddism at some instant >s of hislife.Finally I decided on Islambecause of many facts which I intend to > write here.From my point of view,you atheists are people who has dropped to a >deep,dark well and thinking the only reality is the dusty walls of the well.But > if you had looked a little bit upward you would see the blue skies.You'dsee t >he truth but you close your eyes.Allah is the only GOD and Mohammed is his mess > ager.now,let's generate some entropy in means of theology and thermodynamics.W >hat's your point of view to the problem of the ''FIRST KISS''?That is,the first > spark which was generated for the formation of the universe.Has it formed by i >tself?You are bothering yourselves with the Big Bang but where is the first spa >rk?Please think a bit.Think and return to the only reality of the universe:ISLA >M| Uh oh. This looks a bit too much like Bobby's ""Atheism Is False"" stuff. Are we really going to have to go through this again? Maybe the universe is cyclical! :) :( --Brendan Dunn " 809,4,"From: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) Subject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC? Reply-To: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California. Lines: 34 In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: |> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. |> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. |> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS |> slot. Is that true? |> |> Thanks |> David Mirsky |> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed: One ""socket"" for an additional VRAM SIMM One ""socket"" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM One socket for a flat-pack FPU A processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with an additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit data path that the LC/LC II lacked That's it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit in the PDS, but that's the only place. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andre Molyneux KA7WVV ""Insert your favorite disclaimer here"" | +-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | -=-------- PYRAMID TECHNOLOGY CORP |Internet: | | ---===------ 3860 N. First Street | andrem@pyramid.com | | -----=====---- San Jose, CA |Packet: | |-------=======-- (408) 428-8229 | ka7wvv@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na | +-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ " 810,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr14.152328.15997@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >There may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary. But take >them away entirely? Yeah, you're right. Doing away with speed limits would just mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists. " 811,1,"From: roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Thomas Roell) Subject: Re: 24 bit Graphics cards In-Reply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:59:34 GMT Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany Lines: 20 >I am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least >1024x786x24 resolution. I know Matrox has one, but it is very >expensive. All the other cards I know of, that support that >resoultion, are striaght ISA. What about the ELSA WINNER4000 (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, EISA), or the Metheus Premier-4VL (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, ISA/VL) ? >Also are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits? As it just happens, SGCS has a Xserver (X386 1.4) that does 1024x768x24 on those cards. Please email to info@sgcs.com for more details. - Thomas -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Das Reh springt hoch, e-mail: roell@sgcs.com das Reh springt weit, #include was soll es tun, es hat ja Zeit ... " 812,2,"From: ardie@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ardie Mack) Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? Article-I.D.: ux1.ardie.272.734097933 Organization: Department of Plant Pathology Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr6.040254.8443@cs.brown.edu> ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee ) writes: >From: ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee ) >Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 04:02:54 GMT >In article , rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) writes: >|> Geoffrey S. Elbo writes: >|> >|> >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB >|> >hard disk in 20 minutes. >|> >|> I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk. >|> Is it just a strip-down version of the later? >|> >|> I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering >|> if I need to install MS Backup? >|> >|> Richard >|> > >Yes, defragger IS come from Norton. >If you have Norton Utility, don't bother. Don't bother if you have CPBackup or Fastback. They all offer options not available in the stripped-down MS version (FROM CPS!). Examples - no proprietary format (to save space), probably no direct DMA access, and no tape drive! You NEED MS Defrag if you use doublespace to work on the compressed volume. " 813,11,"From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) Subject: Re: How does it really work? (was Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 41 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Marc VanHeyningen writes: >The main thing I just don't get is whether this chip implements >symmetric or asymmetric cryptographic techniques. Anybody know? I don't know, but I'm as willing to speculate as anyone. Several people have suggested that the chips use public-key cryptography. Another possibility is to use Diffie-Hellman key exchange, or some other algorithm which has a similar effect. DH allows both ends to agree on a session key which they use with symmetric cryptography (something like DES) for the encryption. How could the ""back door"" keys work in this system? I can see a few possibilities. One is that the DH-like algorithm has the property that the session key can be deduced by an eavesdropper who knows the back door keys for one (or possibly both) communicants. Perhaps the random numbers used in the DH are seeded by the back door key, or some such. Another possibility, as was suggested here earlier, is that the chips simply broadcast the session key, encrypted with the chip's own internal secret key. In this system the back door keys are secret keys usable for decrypting this session key broadcast. Actually the chip's secret key doesn't need to be a public key in this usage, but can be identical to the secret back-door key. (This proposal seems most straightforward to me.) Still another possibility is that the encryption algorithm used for the message itself has a ""dual key"" property, that possession of either of two keys can be used to decrypt it. One key would be the session key from the DH exchange, and the other would be the back door key for the chip. It's worth noting that one of the proposals Dorothy Denning raised during her amazingly prescient on-line discussion last November and December was a variation on Diffie-Hellman in which a third party would participate in deriving the session keys. This doesn't quite fit into what we know of how Clipper works but it hints that those who had early knowledge of Clipper (or whose thinking was somehow synchronized with Clipper designers) may have had Diffie-Hellman on their minds. Hal Finney " 814,18,"From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward! Organization: Specialix Inc. Lines: 10 ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: > If you are a ""United States' Citizen"" and a ""resident"" of the >state, then your citizenship is in D.C. and thus are a 14th Amendment >Citizen. Are you a Citizen of the State in which you live? If you are >a ""resident"" then you *are not*. So the only people who are citizens of a state are ones who don't live in that state? So am I a ""citizen"" of 49 other states since I live in California? " 815,4,"From: dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Paul Peak) Subject: FOR SALE: TelePort ADB 2400bps Modem w/Send Fax Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu I am selling my Global Village Teleport 2400 bps modem w/send fax. It connects to the mac through the ADB port. The software for sending faxes is included. I am asking $90. However, I will consider other reasonable offers. Please E-Mail me. Dave Dave Peak Internet -- dppeak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu AOL -- skibum7 " 816,3,"From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Information on PC's LOCAL BUS specification Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Austin Keywords: local bus vesa pci Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr6.121757.19852@inesc.pt> jma@ingrina () writes: [STUFF DELETED] >-PCI (Intel) bus: > -Its not completely defined (YET). > -Some people think of it as a long term solution. > -Larger fanout. > -Not so cheap (complex chipset). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A friend who owns a company that builds clones shared with me the fact that the PCI chipset is NOT expensive -- how about $12? Many money-hungry-clone makers, no doubt, will attempt to price the boards high only because it's new technology. Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter. " 817,7,"From: jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (Jeremy Corry) Subject: MBenz 300 series, VW Passat Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu -- My boss is interested in a new 300 series Mercedes Benz wagon. Does anyone have any testimonial evidence and/or strong opinions on this car (or line)? Particularly, I would like to hear about power (manual t. only) reliability, feel, and any unusually good or bad features of the line. She currently drives a VW Passat, and is being plagued by its electrical problems. The dealer claims there is nothing wrong, even though the doors have a habit of locking and unlocking them- selves while you are driving down the road. The automatic shoulder restraints also like to move back and forth as you move along. She does not have the new, larger engine and is quite dissatisfied with its lack of power. The MB wagon would have to have more power and no peculiar problems such as the Passat's electrical system. She is also considering a Saab 9000 (add some letters). Any comparisons between the 9000 line and the Mercedes would be helpful. Price is not an impediment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy J. Corry | Churchill claimed the traditions jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu | of the navy are rum, mutiny, and __ | sodomy. \/ My opinions are my own, but I probably got them from someone else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 818,17,"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 24 In a previous article, zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) says: >IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within >the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the >War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab >land ? Where the hell do you get off calling it ""Arab land""? Jews have been living there for a long time. Jews didn't just start arriving in 1900, they've been living there for thousands of years, except for periods when they were expelled but they always returned home. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | " 819,1,"From: valo@cvtstu.cvt.stuba.cs (Valo Roman) Subject: Re: Text Recognition software availability Organization: Slovak Technical University Bratislava, Slovakia Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sk2eu.eunet.sk ReplyTo: valo@cvtstu.cvt.stuba.cs (Valo Roman) In article , ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: |> One more time: is there any >free< OCR software out there? |> |> I ask this question periodically and haven't found anything. This is |> the last time. If I don't find anything, I'm going to write some |> myself. |> |> Post here or email me if you have any leads or suggestions, else just |> sit back and wait for me. :) |> |> ab I'm not sure if this is free or shareware, but you can try to look to wsmrsimtel20.army.mil, directory PD1: file OCR104.ZIP . From the file SIMIBM.LST : OCR104.ZIP B 93310 910424 Optical character recognition for scanners. Hope this helps. Roman Valo valo@cvt.stuba.cs Slovak Technical University Bratislava Slovakia " 820,6,"From: shapiro@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Brian Shapiro) Subject: For Sale: Zenith 386-25 Motherboard Distribution: usa Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Lines: 30 The following is posted for a friend. Send replies to the address at the end of the post please. Attention Zenith Z-248 owners!!! upgrade your 8 MHz AT-class machine to '386 performance with a genuine Zenith motherboard for a clone price! Motherboard and I/O card pop right in to your Z-248 case while keeping your existing video and disk controllers. Zenith Z-386/25 motherboard featuring 16kb of 16-layer, posted-write cache using 15 ns SRAM; 8 Mb of 70 ns DRAM included, accepts 20 Mb on motherboard (further RAM upgrades available via SuperSlots running at memory bus speeds; 7 Expansion slots feature 4 Zenith 32-bit SuperSlots: autodetects 8/16/32-bit adapters; latest rev. of Z-300 setup/monitor ROMs, two serial ports, one parallel port, secondary fan for improved system cooling, Z-386 User's Guide, Z-386 Maintenance Guide and diagnostics disk included. $575 (includes S/H/insurance). Replies to: stann@aol.com Replies to me will be forwarded. Thanks..... brian -- Brian Shapiro, Systems Support Specialist Ohio University, Athens, Ohio 45701 (614) 593-1608 shapiro@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu or SHAPIROB@OUACCVMA.BITNET " 821,2,"From: gamet@erg.sri.com (Thomas Gamet) Subject: keyboard specifications Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA Lines: 35 To all hardware and firmware gurus: My current home project is to build a huge paddle keyboard for a physically handicapped relative of mine. My goal is for this keyboard to look exactly like an AT sytle keyboard to its host system. This will be a highly endowed keyboard with a Little PCL from Z World at its heart. The only thing I lack is detailed information on the hardware signaling that the 486 (with Windows 3.1 and DOS 5.0) will be expecting. My project is independant of Windows, my hope is that some of you fellow Window's users/programmers will recognize what I need and be willing to point me in the right direction. I have The Winn L. Rosch Hardware Bible (2nd edition). The HB gives most (if not all) of the information I will need concerning scan codes and even a wire diagram for the PS/2 style connector I will need, but it leaves a number of important questions unanswered. 1. Is it synchronous or asynchronous serial communication? I'm guessing synchronous since the host is providing a clock. In either event, how is the data framed? 2. Is it half-duplex or truly one way? I'm guessing half-duplex since the host can turn LEDs on and off. 3. Are there any chipsets available for communicating with the ""AT keyboard standard"" (other than by cannibalizing a real keyboard)? If anyone knows of a book or article (or any other written source of information) on the above, please advise me at gamet@erg.sri.com. Whatever I do it must be safe for I cannot afford to replace the 486 in the event of a booboo. Thank you for your time. Danke fuer Ihre Zeit. Thomas Gamet (gamet@erg.sri.com) Software Engineer SRI International " 822,10,"From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr19.213015@IASTATE.EDU>, njdevils@IASTATE.EDU (Cire Y. Trehguad) writes: |> Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: |> : Michael Collingridge writes: |> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, |> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other |> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. |> ; |> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to |> : Pittsburgh? |> |> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens |> recently... |> And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C for the Pens. -Jay John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay | Penguins - 1991,1992 Stanley Cup Champions Software Engineering Institute | Pirates - 1990,1991,1992 NL East Champions SEI 3409 (412) 268-3550 | MasterCraft - The ONLY boat for skiing " 823,15,"From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 38 In article , salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) wrote: > Jeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath. > He was never ever a musician in the band. He was in St. Louis several > months back. The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent > really turned me off. It was addressed to all ""Homosexuals, prostitutes, > drug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..."" or something like that. > > Well, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I > would have felt a little pre-judged. I have seen Jeff Fenholt speak and I didn't find him judgemental. I think that the wording for that add was certainly inappropriate, but I think they were trying to say that headbangers would like the program. But I would NOT put headbangers in the same class as alcholics, etc. it is condescending. And I believe that Jeff was wearing black when I saw him. By the way, Fenholt played Jesus in Jesus Christ Superstar. Personally, I'm a headbanger at times too, but I have a hard time with what most of the secular metal groups promote. Free sex and drugs (my opinion that many promote these) aren't my thing. I HAVE found several good Christian metal groups that I like. Jon ------------------------------------------------ Jon Ogden - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086 ------------------------------------------------ They drew a circle and shut him out. Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout. But Love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle and took him in. " 824,2,From: thia@sce.carleton.ca (Yong Thia) Subject: protection fault Summary: fault Keywords: fault Organization: Carleton University Distribution: na Lines: 13 Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me. I have an error message that goes: What does it mean? I am running MS windows 3.1. Thanks in advance -- 825,11,"From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] X-Face: uPIE),q]+zmF49L%(pdE;nX/8$/J22&&&C@_)8BouYx42Y--?*,\]*MIeTY#mCM(x>FyD@+0D-Jm]S_8lxop(Q-$L#~b8!ha;eF[b+GOLyu<]4$"">NeVymJ@F#M?1O`ue4,h4`2S^KGjmP%no(d,: Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric Lines: 22 brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton): }And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost }impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean }that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the }general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular }implementation known as RSA. Hmm, my first thought was that they're using Diffie-Hellman exponential session key exchange, or an equivalent. However, the Diffie-Hellman patent, like the Hellman-Merkle one on public key systems, claims all equivalents, so the basic point stands. Interestingly, a quote from Jim Bidzos showed up in the media real soon after the announcement, and he sounded very pissed. Maybe he hadn't yet realized that PKP might have just struck gold? All they have to do is get someone to admit the general scheme that the Clipper uses. --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@netcom.com jef@well.sf.ca.us ""An object never serves the same function as its image - or its name."" -- Rene Magritte " 826,10,"From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) Subject: Re: Playoff telecasts in Atlanta Organization: HMS Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu In article hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes: > >I'd personally prefer Buffalo-Boston, as a birthday gift from ESPN, >but I don't think the folks at ESPN will accomodate that for me ;-) >ESPN has this inexplicable affinity for the Patrick division, it >seems. > First,Happy Birthday,Val. Second, ESPN's affinity with Patrick has probably more to do with the travel/production costs for a once a week NHN(National Hockey Night) affair.(ESPN-ABC owner,Capital Cities, is a company known for being quite thrifty with minimal overhead costs. It's quite possible that Jim Schoenfeld may be working for doughnuts :-). Gary Thorne and Bill Clement are both NJ-based and the rest of ESPN crew resides in the suburban CT with a very close proximity to tri-state area. Plus,it makes sense in terms of solid hockey following in the NorthEast corridor(PA-NY-NJ-DC/Maryland). Whereas,in the Adams you have only 3-American based teams, out of which 2(Buffalo and Hartford) are not in Top-20 US TV-markets. -PPV Mark " 827,12,"From: mvanhorn@desire.wright.edu (H.I.T. ( Hacker-In-Training )) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone Organization: Wright State University Lines: 12 Since I have seen various different numbers to dial to get your number read back to you by the phone company, could someonepost a list or point me to a book where I could get a list of all the different numbers for the U.S.? Failing that, could someone tell me Ohio's? -- ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 451 ? I don't speak for Wright ? ? mvanhorn@desire.wright.edu ? State, I just give them ? ? Wright State University ? huge amounts of money. ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? " 828,1,"From: dotzlaw@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Helmut Dotzlaw) Subject: Anti-aliasing utility wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: murphy.biochem.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba Lines: 10 I am currently using POVRay on Mac and was wondering if anyone in netland knows of public domain anti-aliasing utilities so that I can skip this step in POV, very slow on this machine. Any suggestions, opinions about post-trace anti-aliasing would be greatly appreciated. Helmut Dotzlaw Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Canada dotzlaw@ccu.umanitoba.ca " 829,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #013 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 339 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #013 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | I said that on February 27, when those people were streaming down | | our street, they were shouting, ""Long live Turkey!"" and ""Glory to | | Turkey!"" And during the trial I said to that Ismailov, ""What does | | that mean, 'Glory to Turkey'?"" I still don't understand what Turkey | | has to do with this, we live in the Soviet Union. That Turkey told | | you to or is going to help you kill Armenians? I still don't | | understand why ""Glory to Turkey!"" I asked that question twice and | | got no answer . . . No one answered me . . . | | | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF EMMA SETRAKOVNA SARGISIAN Born 1933 Cook Sumgait Emergency Hospital Resident at Building 16/13, Apartment 14 Block 5 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] To this day I can't understand why my husband, an older man, was killed. What was he killed for. He hadn't hurt anyone, hadn't said any word he oughtn't have. Why did they kill him? I want to find out--from here, from there, from the government--why my husband was killed. On the 27th, when I returned from work--it was a Saturday--my son was at home. He doesn't work. I went straight to the kitchen, and he called me, ""Mamma, is there a soccer game?"" There were shouts from Lenin Street. That's where we lived. I say, ""I don't know, Igor, I haven't turned on the TV."" He looked again and said, ""Mamma, what's going on in the courtyard?!"" I look and see so many people, it's awful, marching, marching, there are hundreds, thousands, you can't even tell how many there are. They're shouting, ""Down with the Armenians! Kill the Armenians! Tear the Armenians to pieces!"" My God, why is that happening, what for? I had known nothing at that point. We lived together well, in friendship, and suddenly something like this. It was completely unexpected. And they were shouting, ""Long live Turkey!"" And they had flags, and they were shouting. There was a man walking in front well dressed, he's around 40 or 45, in a gray raincoat. He is walking and saying something, I can't make it out through the vent window. He is walking and saying something, and the children behind him are shouting, ""Tear the Armenians to pieces!"" and ""Down with the Armenians!"" They shout it again, and then shout, ""Hurrah!"" The people streamed without end, they were walking in groups, and in the groups I saw that there were women, too. I say, ""My God, there are women there too!"" And my son says, ""Those aren't women, Mamma, those are bad women."" Well we didn't look a long time. They were walking and shouting and I was afraid, I simply couldn't sit still. I went out onto the balcony, and my Azerbaijani neighbor is on the other balcony, and I say, ""Khalida, what's going on, what happened?"" She says, ""Emma, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what happened."" Well she was quite frightened too. They had these white sticks, each second or third one had a white rod. They're waving the rods above their heads as they walk, and the one who's out front, like a leader, he has a white stick too. Well maybe it was an armature shaft, but what I saw was white, I don't know. My husband got home 10 or 15 minutes later. He comes home and I say, ""Oh dear, I'm frightened, they're going to kill us I bet."" And he says, ""What are you afraid of, they're just children."" I say, ""Everything that happens comes from children."" There had been 15- and 16-year kids from the Technical and Vocational School. ""Don't fear,"" he said, ""it's nothing, nothing all that bad."" He didn't eat, he just lay on the sofa. And just then on television they broadcast that two Azerbaijanis had been killed in Karabakh, near Askeran. When I heard that I couldn't settle down at all, I kept walking here and there and I said, ""They're going to kill us, the Azerbaijanis are going to kill us."" And he says, ""Don't be afraid."" Then we heard--from the central square, there are women shouting near near the stage, well, they're shouting different things, and you couldn't hear every well. I say, ""You speak Azerbaijani well, listen to what they're saying."" He says ""Close the window and go to bed, there s nothing happening there."" He listened a bit and then closed the window and went to bed, and told us, ""Come on, go to sleep, it's nothing."" Sleep, what did he mean sleep? My Son and I stood at the window until two in the morning watching. Well he's sick, and all of this was affecting him. I say, ""Igor, you go to bed, I'm going to go to bed in a minute too."" He went and I sat at the window until three, and then went to bed. Things had calmed down slightly. The 28th, Sunday, was my day off. My husband got up and said, ""Come on, Emma, get up."" I say, ""Today's my day off, let me rest."" He says, ""Aren't you going to make me some tea?"" Well I felt startled and got up, and said, ""Where are you going?"" He says, ""I'm going out, I have to."" I say, ""Can you really go outside on a day like today? Don't go out, for God's sake. You never listen to me, I know, and you're not going to listen to me now, but at least don't take the car out of the garage, go without the car."" And he says, ""Come on, close the door!"" And then on the staircase he muttered something, I couldn't make it out, he probably said ""coward"" or something. I closed the door and he left. And I started cleaning . . . picking things up around the house . . . Everything seemed quiet until one o'clock in the after- noon, but at the bus station, my neighbor told me, cars were burning. I said, ""Khalida, was it our car?"" She says, ""No, no, Emma, don't be afraid, they were government cars and Zhigulis.'' Our car is a GAZ-21 Volga. And I waited, it was four o'clock, five o'clock . . . and when he wasn't home at seven I said, ""Oh, they've killed Shagen!"" Tires are burning in town, there's black smoke in town, and I'm afraid, I'm standing on the balcony and I'm all . . . my whole body is shaking. My God, they've probably killed him! So basically I waited like that until ten o'clock and he still hadn't come home. And I'm afraid to go out. At ten o'clock I look out: across from our building is a building with a bookstore, and from upstairs, from the second floor, everything is being thrown outside. I'm looking out of one window and Igor is looking out of the other, and I don't want him to see this, and he, as it turns out, doesn't want me to see it. We wanted to hide it from one another. I joined him. ""Mamma,"" he says, ""look what they're doing over there!"" They were burning everything, and there were police standing there, 10 or 15 of them, maybe twenty policemen standing on the side, and the crowd is on the other side, and two or three people are throwing everything down from the balcony. And one of the ones on the balcony is shouting, ""What are you standing there for, burn it!"" When they threw the television, wow, it was like a bomb! Our neighbor on the third floor came out on her balcony and shouted, ""Why are you doing that, why are you burning those things, those people saved with such difficulty to buy those things for their home. Why are you burning them?"" And from the courtyard they yell at her, ""Go inside, go inside! Instead why don't you tell us if they are any of them in your building or not?"" They meant Armenians, but they didn't say Armenians, they said, ""of them."" She says, ""No, no, no, none!"" Then she ran downstairs to our place, and says, ""Emma, Emma, you have to leave!"" I say, ""They've killed Shagen anyway, what do we have to live for? It won't be living for me without Shagen. Let them kill us, too!"" She insists, saying, ""Emma, get out of here, go to Khalida's, and give me the key. When they come I'll say that it's my daughter's apartment, that they're off visiting someone."" I gave her the key and went to the neighbor's, but I couldn't endure it. I say, ""Igor, you stay here, I'm going to go downstairs, and see, maybe Papa's . . . Papa's there."" Meanwhile, they were killing the two brothers, Alik and Valery [Albert and Valery Avanesians; see the accounts of Rima Avanesian and Alvina Baluian], in the courtyard. There is a crowd near the building, they're shouting, howling, and I didn't think that they were killing at the time. Alik and Valery lived in the corner house across from ours. When I went out into the courtyard I saw an Azerbaijani, our neighbor, a young man about 30 years old. I say, ""Madar, Uncle Shagen's gone, let's go see, maybe he's dead in the garage or near the garage, let's at least bring the corpse into the house. ""He shouts, ""Aunt Emma, where do you think you're going?! Go back into the house, I'll look for him."" I say, ""Something will happen to you, too, because of me, no, Madar, I'm coming too."" Well he wouldn't let me go all the same, he says, ""You stay here with us, I'm go look."" He went and looked, and came back and said, ""Aunt Emma, there's no one there, the garage is closed. ""Madar went off again and then returned and said, ""Aunt Emma, they're already killed Alik, and Valery's there . . . wheezing."" Madar wanted to go up to him, but those scoundrels said, ""Don't go near him, or we'll put you next to him."" He got scared--he's young--and came back and said, ""I'm going to go call, maybe an ambulance will come, at least to take Alik, maybe he'll live . . . "" They grew up together in our courtyard, they knew each other well, they had always been on good terms. He went to call, but not a single telephone worked, they had all been shut off. He called, and called, and called, and called--nothing. I went upstairs to the neighbor's. Igor says, ""Two police cars drove up over there, their headlights are on, but they're not touching them, they are still lying where they were, they're still lying there . . . ""We watched out the window until four o'clock, and then went downstairs to our apartment. I didn't take my clothes off. I lay on the couch so as not to go to bed, and at six o'clock in the morning I got up and said, ""Igor, you stay here at home, don't go out, don't go anywhere, I'm going to look, I have to find Papa, dead or alive . . . let me go . . . I've got the keys from work."" At six o'clock I went to the Emergency Hospital. The head doctor and another doctor opened the door to the morgue. I run up to them and say, ""Doctor, is Shagen there?"" He says, ""What do you mean? Why should Shagen be here?!"" I wanted to go in, but he wouldn't let me. There were only four people in there, they said. Well, they must have been awful because they didn't let me in. They said, ""Shagen's not here, he's alive somewhere, he'll come back."" It's already seven o'clock in the morning. I look and there is a panel truck with three policemen. Some of our people from the hospital were there with them. I say, ""Sara Baji [""Sister"" Sara, term of endearment], go look, they've probably brought Shagen."" I said it, shouted it, and she went and came back and says, ""No, Emma, he has tan shoes on, it's a younger person."" Now Shagen just happened to have tan shoes, light tan, they were already old. When they said it like that I guessed immediately. I went and said, ""Doctor, they've brought Shagen in dead."" He says, ""Why are you carrying on like that, dead, dead . . . he's alive."" But then he went all the same, and when he came back the look on his face was . . . I could tell immediately that he was dead. They knew one another well, Shagen had worked for him a long time. I say, ""Doctor, is it Shagen?"" He says, ""No, Emma, it's not he, it's somebody else entirely."" I say, ""Doctor, why are you deceiving me, I'll find out all the same anyway, if not today, then tomorrow."" And he said . . . I screamed, right there in the office. He says, ""Emma, go, go calm down a little."" Another one of our colleagues said that the doctor had said it was Shagen, but . . . in hideous condition. They tried to calm me down, saying it wasn't Shagen. A few minutes later another colleague comes in and says, ""Oh, poor Emma!"" When she said it like that there was no hope left. That day was awful. They were endlessly bringing in dead and injured people. At night someone took me home. I said, ""Igor, Papa's been killed."" On the morning of the 1st I left Igor at home again and went to the hospital: I had to bury him somehow, do something. I look and see that the hospital is surrounded by soldiers. They are wearing dark clothes. ""Hey, citizen, where are you going?"" I say, ""I work here,"" and from inside someone shouts, ""Yes, yes, that's our cook, let her in."" I went right to the head doctor's office and there is a person from the City Health Department there, he used to work with us at the hospital. He says, ""Emma, Shagen's been taken to Baku. In the night they took the wounded and the dead, all of them, to Baku."" I say, ""Doctor, how will I bury him?"" He says, ""We're taking care of all that, don't you worry, we'll do everything, we'll tell you about it. Where did you spend the night?"" I say, ""I was at home."" He says, ""What do you mean you were at home?! You were at home alone?"" I say, ""No, Igor was there too."" He says, ""You can't stay home, we're getting an ambulance right now, wait just one second, the head doctor is coming, we're arranging an ambulance right now, you put on a lab coat and take one for Igor, you go and bring Igor here like a patient, and you'll stay here and we'll se~ later what to do next ..."" His last name is Kagramanov. The head doctor's name is Izyat Jamalogli Sadukhov. The ""ambulance"" arrived and I went home and got Igor. They admitted him as a patient, they gave us a private room, an isolation room. We stayed in the hospital until the 4th. Some police car came and they said, ""Emma, let's go."" And the women, our colleagues, then they saw the police car, became anxious and said, ""Where are you taking her?"" I say, ""They're going to kill me, too . . . "" And the investigator says, ""Why are you saying that, we're going to make a positive identification."" We went to Baku and they took me into the morgue . . . I still can't remember what hospital it was . . . The investigator says, ""Let's go, we need to be certain, maybe it's not Shagen."" And when I saw the caskets, lying on top of one another, I went out of my mind. I say, ""I can't look, no."" The investigator says, ""Are there any identifying marks?"" I say, ""Let me see the clothes, or the shoes, or even a sock, I'll recognize them."" He says, ""Isn't they're anything on his body?"" I say he has seven gold teeth and his finger, he only has half of one of his fingers. Shagen was a carpenter, he had been injured at work . . . They brought one of the sleeves of the shirt and sweater he was wearing, they brought them and they were all burned . . . When I saw them I shouted, ""Oh, they burned him!"" I shouted, I don't know, I fell down . . . or maybe I sat down, I don't remember. And that investigator says, ""Well fine, fine, since we've identified that these are his clothes, and since his teeth . . . since he has seven gold teeth . . . "" On the 4th they told me: ""Emma, it's time to bury Shagen now."" I cried, ""How, how can I bury Shagen when I have only one son and he's sick? I should inform his relatives, he has three sisters, I can't do it by myself."" They say, ""OK, you know the situation. How will they get here from Karabagh? How will they get here from Yerevan? There's no transportation, it s impossible."" He was killed on February 28, and I buried him on March 7. We buried him in Sumgait. They asked me, ""Where do you want to bury him?"" I said, ""I want to bury him in Karabagh, where we were born, let me bury him in Karabagh,"" I'm shouting, and the head of the burial office, I guess, says, ""Do you know what it means, take him to Karabagh?! It means arson!"" I say, ""What do you mean, arson? Don't they know what's going on in Karabagh? The whole world knows that they killed them, and I want to take him to Karabagh, I don't have anyone anymore."" I begged, I pleaded, I grieved, I even got down on my knees. He says, ""Let's bury him here now, and in three months, in six months, a year, if it calms down, I'll help you move him to Karabagh . . . "" Our trial was the first in Sumgait. It was concluded on May 16. At the investigation the murderer, Tale Ismailov, told how it all happened, but then at the trial he . . . tried to wriggle . . . he tried to soften his crime. Then they brought a videotape recorder, I guess, and played it, and said, ""Ismailov, look, is that you?"" He says, ""Yes."" ""Well look, here you're describing everything as it was on the scene of the crime, right?"" He says, ""Yes."" ""And now you're telling it differently?"" He says, ""Well maybe I forgot!"" Like that. The witnesses and that criminal creep himself said that when the car was going along Mir Street, there was a crowd of about 80 people . . . Shagen had a Volga GAZ-21. The 80 people surrounded his car, and all 80 of them were involved. One of them was this Ismailov guy, this Tale. They--it's unclear who--started pulling Shagen out of the car. Well, one says from the left side of the car, another says from the right side. They pulled off his sports jacket. He had a jacket on. Well they ask him, ""What's your nationality?"" He says, ""Armenian."" Well they say from the crowd they shouted, ""If he's an Armenian, kill him, kill him!"" They started beating him, they broke seven of his ribs, and his heart . . . I don't know, they did something there, too . . . it's too awful to tell about. Anyway, they say this Tale guy . . . he had an armature shaft. He says, ""I picked it up, it was lying near a bush, that's where I got it."" He said he picked it up, but the witnesses say that he had already had it. He said, ""I hit him twice,"" he said, "" . . . once or twice on the head with that rod."" And he said that when he started to beat him Shagen was sitting on the ground, and when he hit him he fell over. He said, ""I left, right nearby they were burning things or something in an apartment, killing someone,"" he says, ""and I came back to look, is that Shagen alive or not?"" I said, ""You wanted to finish him, right, and if he was still alive, you came back to hit him again?"" He went back and looked and he was already dead. ""After that,"" that bastard Tale said, ""after that I went home."" I said, ""You . . . you . . . little snake,"" I said, ""Are you a thief and a murderer?"" Shagen had had money in his jacket, and a watch on his wrist. They were taken. He says he didn't take them When they overturned and burned the car, that Tale was no longer there, it was other people who did that. Who it was, who turned over the car and who burned it, that hasn't been clarified as yet. I told the investigator, ""How can you have the trial when you don't know who burned the car?"" He said something, but I didn't get what he was saying. But I said, ""You still haven't straightened everything out, I think that's unjust."" When they burned the car he was lying next to it, and the fire spread to him. In the death certificate it says that he had third-degree burns over 80 percent of his body . . . And I ask again, why was he killed? My husband was a carpenter; he was a good craftsman, he knew how to do everything, he even fixed his own car, with his own hands. We have three children. Three sons. Only Igor was with me at the time. The older one was in Pyatigorsk, and the younger one is serving in the Army. And now they're fatherless... I couldn't sit all the way through it. When the Procurator read up to 15 years' deprivation of freedom, I just . . . I went out of my mind, I didn't know what to do with myself, I said, ""How can that be? You,"" I said, ""you are saying that it was intentional murder and the sentence is 15 years' deprivation of freedom?"" I screamed, I had my mind! I said, ""Let me at that creep, with my bare hands I'll . . . "" A relative restrained me, and there were all those military people there . . . I lest. I said,"" This isn't a Soviet trial, this is unjust!"" That's what I shouted, l said it and left . . . I said that on February 27, when those people were streaming down our street, they were shouting, ""Long live Turkey!"" and ""Glory to Turkey!"" And during the trial I said to that Ismailov, ""What does that mean, 'Glory to Turkey'?"" I still don't understand what Turkey has to do with this, we live in the Soviet Union. That Turkey told you to or is going to help you kill Armenians? I still don't understand why ""Glory to Turkey!"" I asked that question twice and got no answer . . . No one answered me . . . May 19, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 178-184 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 830,17,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20 Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article <1993Apr19.165514.17138@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes: >In article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM>, arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >> >> NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993 >> >> Not because you were too busy but because >> Israelists in the US media spiked it. >> >> ................ >> >> >> THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS >> >> >> Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip >> during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the >> Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday. >> >> The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of >> the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for >> Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and >> occupied West Bank. >> If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and >> let him know what you think. >> >> >> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe) >> clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online) >> clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail) >> >> >> Tell 'em ARF sent ya. >> >> .................................. >> >> If you are tired of ""learning"" about American foreign policy from what is >> effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the >> Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American >> Education Trust at: >> (800) 368 5788 >> >> Tell 'em arf sent you. >> >> js >> >> >> > >I took your advice and ordered a copy of the Washinton Report. I >heartily recommend it to all pro-Israel types for the following >reasons: > >1. It is an excellent absorber of excrement. I use it to line > the bottom of my parakeet's cage. A negative side effect is > that my bird now has a somewhat warped view of the mideast. > >2. It makes a great April Fool's joke, i.e., give it to someone > who knows nothing about the middle east and then say ""April > Fools"". > Clearly, if a Chutzpa reacts this way, it must be worth reading by more objective types. You are so wrapped up in your hate that you can't even take the time to edit out my long posting. Thanks for the extra milege by reposting it. " 831,9,"From: vince@sscl.uwo.ca Subject: Binaca Blast Deep Drive Derby (BBDDD) Returns Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca Lines: 72 In article <1piisn$asq@network.ucsd.edu>, king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) writes: > > A less well-publicized part of the now infamous Darrin Jackson for > Derek Bell trade was the fact that San Diego included $300,000 in the > deal. Even less publicized than this, however, was that the $300,000 > didn't come from the Padres, but from an un-named source, and that the > money didn't go to the Blue Jays. In Toronto, the money was diverted > into a London bank account owned by a shadowy character named Vincent > Gray. I should be so lucky: the account number must have been rejected! :-) > The odd thing was that Gray wasn't some British financier, but a > Canadian social scientist working at the University of Western > Ontario. Gray was previously known to the authorities only as an > associate of John Palmer, and as the man who had the previous year > discovered the True Tater Name of ""Bing Bang Ben"" MacDonald. To be accurate, it is ""Big Bang Ben"" MacDonald. > Soon after that, Gray and Palmer sent word to Ottawa that Canada had > achieved absolute superiority over the United States in the field of > baseballistic research, as she controlled both the Acker-Cook > Pitch-Alike Contest and the Binaca Blast Research Institute. The Prime > Minister smiled. I hope not. To think that I would inadvertantly give any pleasure to Mulroney _really_ ruins my day. PS: Matthew Wall: a marvellous ending to the section on the Expos. > Okay, so I'm not giving up the day job. But, in an effort to help me > keep the day job, I've managed to foist the job of running the Binaca > Blast Deep Drive Derby onto Vince Gray, to whom future Deep > Drive-related tidbits should be sent: > > VINCE@sscl.uwo.ca or VINCE@VAXI.SSCL.UWO.CA; please identify any messages with the subject line BBDDD > Vince can take this post as the cue to chime in about what he plans to > do as the new director of the Research Institute, and what kind of > body armor Ontarians are wearing this Spring. Meanwhile, I have to go > pick up that truckload of Denis Boucher cards I bought to fill in the > area behind our tool shed... > > jking Realizing the taterific importance of this work, John Palmer and I concluded that we might be able to pool some resources. I have not yet gone through the archives that Jonathan sent to me; when I do, I will send out an ""official"" introduction to the Deep Drive Derby. However, I wonder if we need to rename the project, now that the principal investigator and research archive have changed. Send your suggestions for a rename of the study to me, at the address given above. And, just think: it's opening day. Soon, the balls will be flying out (no, get your minds out of the gutter) of the ball parks, and helpless bystanders will be injured by balls reentering the atmosphere. (and you thought that meteorite showers were made of rocks!) Who will be the stars this year? Can anyone hope to combat Brad Arnsberg's record start to last year? The season is young, the balls newly rubbed in mud, the hot dogs starting to boil for the rest of the year. Play ball (and take cover). And may all your sliders hang. Vince. " 832,6,"From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: 45 rpm Singles for Sale (Complete List) Keywords: Beatles Rolling Stones Pink Floyd Starr Lennon Talking Heads Ramons Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 46 I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21 for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc. Beach Boys|Barbara Ann (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Califonia Girls (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$15|45 Beach Boys|Fun, Fun, Fun (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Little Girl I Once Knew (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Please Let Me Wonder (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Rock n Roll to the Rescue (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$15|45 Beach Boys|When I Grow Up to Be a Man (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beatles|Im Happy Just to Dance with You (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Doctor & the Medics|Burn (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 General Public|Too Much or Nothing (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Go Gos|Our Lips are Sealed (I.R.S. Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Lennon, John|Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Lennon, John|Mind Games (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$10|$45 Madonna|Open Your Heart (Sire Promo)|$5|45 McCartney, Paul|Coming Up (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 McCartney, Paul|Mull of Kintyre (Capitol. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 McCartney, Paul|Stranglehold (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 McCartney, Paul|Wonderful Christmastime (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Mercury, Freddie|I Was Born to Love You (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Queen|Kind of Magic (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Ramones|Sheena is a Punk Rocker (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Starr, Ringo|Photograph (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Starr, Ringo|Youre Sixteen (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Talking Heads|Road to Nowhere (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5 Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|%10|45 If you are interested, please contact: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu " 833,18,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: na Lines: 47 In matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: >In article 164633 in talk.politics.misc, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >>>>And Ms. Regard, please don't give us the trite ""you can't legislate >>>>morality"" nonsense again: there is little else that is legislated, >>>>including the moral concept of ""rights"". >>Really? Pure Socialism had this belief, and fell flat on its ass by >>attempting to follow such reasoning. Suppose you pass a law that >>states that I must love my neighbour, regardless of race, religion, >>etc. How exactly do you plan to enforce such a law? Better yet, how >>do you plan to measure compliance? And even if you overcome those >>two obstacles, how will you ever know if I have become *more moral* >>or not? >You either missed the point or are being somewhat disingenuous; I have >never heard anyone suggest that you can legislate what people think. >Laws are based on either expediency (i.e. traffic laws) or morality (i.e. >human rights), as far as I can tell, and the majority are based on the >latter. Once more around the racetrack. See the original statement that it is nonsense to believe that you cannot legislate morality. I simply stated that they can pass all the laws they want but not a single one of them will make you or I more moral people. They may make us act in a moral manner, but our actions are only a reflection of the unwillingness to risk punishment. They say nothing about whether we have become more moral or not. Perhaps the distinction is too fine. >Matt Freivald TOG >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ""I'm not a feminist -- I'm for equal rights!"" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one! > If you don't believe in slavery, don't own one! > If you don't believe in murder, don't commit one! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pro CHILD. Pro FAMILY. Pro LIFE. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 834,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Rangers give NHL another blackeye... Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 10 News reports in Toronto say that the Rangers are insisting that Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson play for Binghampton in the Calder Cup playoffs, rather than return to play for their ""home"" countries in the World Championships. ...shame on the Rangers. Another black eye for the NHL in Europe. Gerald " 835,3,"From: rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: MicroTech Software Lines: 34 glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: >David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: >: I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from >: my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot >: from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But >: if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that >: it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick >: for me.) >: >: Thanks, >: Davebo >We had the same issue plague us for months on our Gateway. I finally >got tired of it so I permanently interchanged the drives. The only >reason I didn't do it in the first place was because I had several >bootable 5-1/4's and some 5-1/4 based install disks which expected >the A drive. I order all new software (and upgrades) to be 3-1/2 and >the number of ""stupid"" install programs that can't handle an alternate >drive are declining with time - the ones I had are now upgraded. And >as for the bootable 5-1/4's I just cut 3-1/2 replacements. >If switching the drives is not an option, you might be able to wire up >a drive switch to your computer chasis. I haven't tried it but I think >it would work as long as it is wired carefully. I did this. I use a relay (Radio Shack 4PDT) instead of a huge switch. This way, if the relay breaks, my drives will still work. It works fine, but you may still need to change the CMOS before the drive switch will work correctly for some programs. rp93 -- Roger C. Pao {gordius,bagdad}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us " 836,4,"From: ado@quince.bbn.com (Buz Owen) Subject: Performa 450 internal modem? Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: quince.bbn.com I hear that the Performa 450 is really an LCIII with an internal modem. Can the modem part be obtained and installed in an LCIII? It would be nice if it were actually a powerbook internal modem, but that might be too much to hope for. " 837,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Weaver trial update Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 13 I've been running a daily summary of the Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial from here in Boise. These summaries are sent primarily to mailing lists. However, I was wondering if people would be interested in seeing them here. Post or email. Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 838,14,"From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > >Unfortunately H. Beam Piper killed him self just weeks short of having his >first book published, and have his ideas see light.. Such a waste. > > Piper lived in my town (Williamsport, PA) when he killed himself. It was in the early '60's. He had had more than a few books published by that time, but he was down on his luck financially. Rumor was that he was hunting urban pigeons with birdshot for food. He viewed himself as a resourceful man, and (IMO) decided to check out gracefully if he couldn't support himself. The worst part is that John Campbell, the long-time editor of Astounding/Analog SF magazine had cut a check for Piper's most recent story, and said check was in the mail. If Campbell had known Piper's straits, I'm sure he would have phoned to say hang on. Campbell was like that. I wish it had happened differently. I always enjoyed Piper's stuff. Doug Loss " 839,7,"From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver) Subject: Re: Who was or what is MIATA, as used in the Mazda Miata? Organization: What you won't find on my desk. Lines: 20 Sayeth sjwyrick@lbl.gov (Steve Wyrick): $Anybody keeping track of how many of these there are? So far I have $Miata, Tredia, Previa, Sentra, Maxima, Altima, Camry, and Justy, not to $mention Lexus, Acura and Infiniti! You're apparently including names that are, or appear to be, derivatives of real words in English or some other language (e.g. Acura, Infiniti, Maxima, Altima), in which case you missed ones such as Integra, Supra, Allante', Capri and Calibra. In Canada, add Serenia and Precidia. If you count misspellings, add Protege and (in Canada) Vigor. How about the forthcoming Mondeo, if it is given that name in North America? Others might include Celica, Corolla, Paseo, and Tercel. In Canada, add Asu""na. -- |I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat. Void where prohibited.| |Have you seen this boy? Lust never sleeps. I say hurl. Honey, I'm | |home. _________________________________________________________________| |_____/ silver@bokonon.UUCP ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver | " 840,18,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: UNITED NATIONS : Gettin' busy Lines: 4 Chapter 7 operation in Somlia. Almost Chapter 7 in Cambodia and Yugo. 'Bout time the UN started using force to make the peace happen. Hopefully, they will soon be doing the same with world economics. " 841,6,"From: vvl2h@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Victor V. Levenson) Subject: HELP: How to get a SCUMSTER Summary: Need advice Keywords: HD, cash/check, no delivery Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Lines: 34 Hi, everyone; I need an advice on what is the best way to get a scumster. Several weeks ago I posted an article on behalf of a friend who wanted an external HD for mac. The scumster - R.E.P. - called my friend and they agreed on a price. My friend (unexperienced and not too fluent in English) paid by check, requesting R.E.P. to call him back when the check arrives and the HD is send. Well, the check was cashed 3/24 and that is that. Phone # that R.E.P. gave is on the answering machine all the time and there is no reaction when the message is left; e-mail address does not bounce but again there is no answer. I know, that R.E.P. is a student at University of Delaware; I have his e-mail address, his US postal address and his (?) phone#. The question is: WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED? Thanks in advance for any advice. Sincerely, Victor Levenson (VVL2H@virginia.edu) P.S. The reason I did not put R.E.P.'s full name is that I still hope... P.P.S. If I get enough responses I will post a summary, maybe even on a regular basis. VL -- ==================================== Dr.Victor V.Levenson Tel (804) 924 2370 lab Dept. of Biochemistry Internet VVL2H@virginia.edu " 842,8,"From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone) Subject: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist (Ditto) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 21 In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: > I'm thinking about becoming a bike owner this year w/o any bike experience thus far. I figure that getting a decent used bike for under $1K the thing would pay for itself while I'm at grad school (car permits are $$$ where I'm going and who want's to ride a bus). I'm looking for advice on a first bike - best models/years. I'm NOT looking for an old loud roaring thing that sounds like a monster. The quit whirring of newer engines is more to my liking. Apprec any advice. Thanks, BS " 843,1,"From: raynor@cs.scarolina.edu (Harold Brian Raynor) Subject: Help needed on hidden line removal Summary: Need help with Roberts algorithm/Hidden line removal Keywords: hidden line graphics 3D Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Distribution: comp Lines: 20 I am looking for some information of hidden line removal using Roberts algorithm. Something with code, or pseudo code would be especially helpful. I am required to do this for a class, due Monday (we have very little time to implement these changes, it is a VERY FAST paced class). The notes given in class leave a LOT to be desired, so I would vastly appreciate any help. Actually any algorithm would be nice (Roberts or no). The main problem is two objects intersecting in x and y dimensions, need to know which lines to clip off so that one object will appear in front of another. If you can give me an ftp address and filename, or even the name of a good book, I'd REALLY appreciate it. Thanks, Brian Raynor " 844,4,"From: rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Richard Crispin) Subject: Quantum Q250 hard disk Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 24 I recently aquired a Quantum Q250 harddisk. It is a 50 meg 5.25"" mechanism. It is SCSI. I have a few questions and a few problems. First there seems to be an extra connector socket on the back that I can't figure out what it is for. The address is set by some jumpers on the bottom so I don't think it is for that. Any ideas? Second, it would be nice to get a hardware manual for the drive. There are a lot of jumpers on it that we don't know what they are for. Third, I have got the drive to format. It took a while to get things to work and most of it is fine for now. The formating initialy was troublesome but seems to be ok. The main problem is if you do a reset on the MacPlus the drive disappears. If I shut the mac off and then back on agian then the drive comes up fine. Any ideas. Please reply to one of the email addresses below. Thanks Richard Crispin Department of Psychology email:rcrispin@watarts.uwaterloo.ca University of Waterloo psych@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca Waterloo, Ontario phone:(519)888-4781 or 885-1211 ext. 4781 Canada N2L 3G1 fax:(519)746-8631 " 845,19,"From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) Subject: Question about Islamic view Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6] Lines: 8 A question regarding the Islamic view towards homosexuality came up in a discussion group that I participate in, and I'd like to ask the question here, ""What is the Islamic view towards homosexuality?"" Jim Burrill jburrill@boi.hp.com " 846,2,"From: toelle@uenics.evansville.edu (Chad Toelle) Subject: Fax software for windows Organization: University of Evansville Distribution: usa Lines: 10 I would like to know about the current fax software available for Windows. Does it take a 9600 baud fax/modem or 14.4K ? Please respond with info. Thank you very much -- Chad Toelle toelle@evansville.edu 4216 S. St. Philip Rd - or - Mt. Vernon, IN 47620 uunet!evansville.edu!toelle (812) 985-3222 " 847,17,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: RE: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 116 I will try to answer some of Dorin's questions, even though they were not addressed to me specifically, but I feel that I am a bit concerned by the thread since I am a Southern Lebanese from a village that is often on the receiving end of Israel's bombs. In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth. It seems to me, Dorin, that, you are so remote and ignorant of the problem on the ground that your comments can only be charactrized as irrelevant, and heavily colored by the preconceptions and misinformation. I will try to paint the most accurate picture I can of what the situation really is in South Lebanon. In article <1993Apr15.152455.14555@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: |> Is there any Israeli a civilian, in your opinion ? |> |> Now, I do not condone myself bombing villages, any kind of villages. |> But you claim these are villages with civilians, and Iraelis claim they are |> camps filled with terrorists. You claim that israelis shell the villages with the |> 'hope' of finding a terrorist or so. If they kill one, fine, if not, too bad, |> civilians die, right ? I am not so sure. I am. I was back in my home village this last summer. For your information we are PEOPLE, not a bunch of indiscriminate terrorists. Most of the people in my village are regular inhabitants that go about their daily business, some work in the fields, some own small shops, others are older men that go to the coffe shop and drink coffee. Is that so hard to imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they are back they announce that they bombed a ""terrorist hideout"" where an 8 year old girl just happened to be. We are now accustomed to Israeli tactics, and we figure that this is the Israeli way of telling us that ""if you're gonna hurt our soldiers you're gonna pay the price"". We accept this as a price we have to pay to free our land, Israel knows very well that it is not really hurting the resistance that much militarily with these strikes, but rather just keeping the pressure on the villagers to demand from their young men to stop attacking Israeli soldiers since these attacks are taking a heavy toll on the lives of the civilian villagers. Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. The people of South Lebanon are occupied, or shelled by Israel on a regular basis. We do not want to be occupied. If Israel insists that the so called ""Security Zone"" is necessary for the protection of Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace, than it should withdraw from OUR land. We are not asking for the establishment of a Lebanese occupied zone in northern Israel to protect our villages that are attacked on a regular basis by Israel, so the best policy seems to be the removal of Israeli occupation and the establishment of peace keeping troops along the border. I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure no one on either side of the border is shelled. This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel would have resulted in. If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in peace and has already offered some important concessions. Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did in all other parts of Lebanon. |> If you ask me those questions, I will have no problem answering (not with a |> question, as you did) : No, NOBODY is qualified candidate for murder, nothing |> justifies murder. I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. I have the feeling that you may be able yourself to make |> similar statements, maybe after eliminating all Israelis, jews, ? Am I wrong ? Yes, we have no quarrel with Jews, or Israeli civilians. The real problem is with OCCUPYING Israeli soldiers and those brave Israeli pilots that bomb our civilian villages every time an occupying soldier is attacked. |> Dorin Basil " 848,6,"From: Jeff Wishnie Subject: Genesis carts forsale X-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:53:47 GMT Organization: Taligent, Inc. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d3 Lines: 16 Posting for a friend: please call Steve, 415 252-1618, if interested. SEGA Genesis games for sale. In original boxes with original manuals. Approximately 1 month old. -- John Madden Football '93, Electronic Arts, $40.00 obo -- Ecco The Dolphin, SEGA,, $40.00 obo Again, I'm posting for a friend. If interested, call: Steve 415 252-1618 " 849,12,"From: henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley) Subject: Re: 68HC16 public domain software? Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-26.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Keywords: 68hc16 In article writes: > Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public > domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor? > I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C' > compiler. Thanks in advance. > Ed Murashie Yep, at: oak.oakland.edu they have a couple different 68HC16 things in /pub/msdos/emulators and get the file 00-index.txt for a list of what they have. lige " 850,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: '93 Grand Am (4 cyl) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 16 In article holcomb@ctron.com (Edgar W. Ii Holcomb) writes: >In article wilmott@remus.rutgers.edu (ray wilmott) writes: > > Hi all. A while back I was asking for info about a few different > models, the Grand Am being one of them. Response was generally > favorable; one thing often repeated was ""go for the V6 for some > real power"". Point well taken, but...does anybody have any input > on the 4 cylinders (both the standard OHC, and the ""Quad 4"")? >Ray, > >The High-Output Quad 4 delivers 175 hp (185 for the WF41 Quad 4), whereas >the 3.1L V6 offered in the Grand Am delivers 140 hp. I own a Beretta GTZ ooppss...the v6 in the grand am is the 3.3. litre, not the 3.1. the 3.3 is a downsized version of buicks 3.8 litre v6. the 3.1 v6 goes in the beretta and corsica. " 851,2,"From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) Subject: ATM Organization: University of California at San Diego Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all included ATManager as a ""bonus"" I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw. Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4 Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the ""Resolution Enhancement Technology"" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these better printer technologies ... and TT? -- -- avDean " 852,11,"From: murray@src.dec.com (Hal Murray) Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Organization: DEC Systems Research Center Lines: 8 In article <1993Apr17.031520.13902@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: |> The actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is |> for cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not |> end to end, I think. End to end will come later. Encrypting just the radio link doesn't make sense to me. That means the telco has to do the decryption, and hence they need the keys. How are they going to be kept secure? " 853,8,"From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper) Subject: *FOR SALE*: H-1 500... Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA Lines: 13 1975 H-1 500 Brand new top end Chambers Clean + black! 1,500$ Paul: (510) 839-2161 Please do not contact this email address: contact the seller. Cheers DAVE " 854,11,"From: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: inet Lines: 27 In article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu writes: >Tarl Neustaedter (tarl@coyoacan.sw.stratus.com) wrote: > >: It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant >: to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about >: the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the >: network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position). > >Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it >was posted encrypted? > >These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. > Now why would anyone ""post"" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of use between persons who know how to decrypt the data. And why should I care what other people look at? What does concern me is the continued erosion of my constitutional rights. ( Amendments I, II, IV, and V to note a few. ) -- Shaun P. Hughes ""Facts are Stupid Things."" sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Ronald Reagan Republican National Finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key Convention 1988 " 855,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500354:cdp:1483500364:000:1767 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 26 17:36:00 1993 Lines: 38 Dear folks, I am still awaiting for some sensible answer and comment. It is a fact that the inhabitants of Gaza are not entitled to a normal civlized life. They habe been kept under occupation by Israel since 1967 without civil and political rights. It is a fact that Gazans live in their own country, Palestine. Gaza is not a foriegn country. Nor is TelAviv, Jaffa, Askalon, BeerSheba foreign country for Gazans. All these places are occupied as far as Palestinians are concerned and as far as common sense has it. It is a fact that Zionists deny Gazans equal rights as Israeli citizens and the right to determine by themsevles their government. When Zionists will begin to consider Gazans as human beings who deserve the same rights as themselves, there will be hope for peace. Not before. Somebody mentioned that Gaza is 'foreign country' and therefore Israel is entitled to close its borders to Gaza. In this case, Gaza should be entitled to reciprocate, and deny Israeli civilians and military personnel to enter the area. As the relation is not symmetrical, but that of a master and slave, the label 'foreign country' is inaccurate and misleading. To close off 700,000 people in the Strip, deny them means of subsistence and means of defending themselves, is a collective punishment and a crime. It is neither justifiable nor legal. It just reflects the abyss to which Israeli society has degraded. I would like to ask any of those who heap foul langauge on me to explain why Israel denies Gazans who were born and brought up in Jaffa to return and live there ? Would they be allowed to, if they converted to Judaism ? Is their right to live in their former town depdendent upon their religion or ethnic origin ? Please give an honest answer. Elias " 856,15,"From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christiani Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 27 > Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should > > ck > out: > Romans 1:27 > I Corinthians 6:9 > I Timothy 1:10 > Jude 1:7 > II Peter 2:6-9 > Gen. 19 > Lev 18:22 > (to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality) > In Christ's Love, > Bryan Whitsell I was waiting for this. I think your question should be rephrased. The many verses of the Bible which condem homosexuality (by our beliefs) have been shoved down the throats of homosexuals for a long time by (well-meaning?) Christians. The question is how do they interpret these verses. Any discussion of any issue (this or any other issue) requires a proof of your case as well as a disproof of the opposing view. We are already familiar with those verses and many have proven to themselves that these condem homosexual behaviour. We must now establish reasons for not believing this to be true based on the interpretation of these scriptures given by someone who has come to grips with them. Todd... " 857,4,"From: dnew@diana.cair.du.edu (shredder) Subject: voice messaging Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado Lines: 16 You macinators who have used these voice messaging/FAX/data-modems. I have a question. First what brand names do you recommend(I am mostly interested in the voice messaging and FAX part). Is the voice part as reliable and understandable as the sellers claim? Approximately, how much hard drive space does an average day of callers take up, if they speak for one minute? Any feed back would be appreciated. My company is looking at buying one or two. Hey, I may buy one myself too. Thanks in advance Don -- Don New Jr(dnew@du.edu) | Another GREAT mind University of Denver | RUINED Chemistry Department | by Denver, CO 80208 | higher education " 858,3,"From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) Subject: No 32-bit box on Gateway Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvccl.cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA Lines: 16 While playing around with my Gateway 2000 local-bus machine last night, it became apparent that Windows 3.1 didn't give the option for 32-bit access for virtual memory. I am using a permanent swap file, and the disk drive is on the local bus interface. Is this expected, or should I be investigating further why no 32-bit option appears? Thanks for any help. -- Scott Linn scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com " 859,10,From: slacelle@gandalf.ca (Stephane Lacelle) Subject: Bridgman is out Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd. Lines: 8 The Ottwawa Senators fired Mel Bridgman at 1:00 PM today. Randy Sexton is gonna replace him. -- ===================================================================== Stephane Lacelle S/W engineer Insert .sig here Gandalf Data Ltd 860,1,"From: steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Central Research Lab. Hitachi, Ltd. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: hcrlgw In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: > >Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, >center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Wouldn't this require a hyper-sphere. In 3-space, 4 points over specifies a sphere as far as I can see. Unless that is you can prove that a point exists in 3-space that is equi-distant from the 4 points, and this may not necessarily happen. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I quite possibly am!) steve --- -- +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Steven Collins | email: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp | | Visiting Computer Graphics Researcher | phone: (0423)-23-1111 | | Hitachi Central Research Lab. Tokyo. | fax: (0423)-27-7742 | " 861,11,"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine Organization: IR Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > And key size is one of the things that can be > verified externally. Gee. Say they feed the 80-bit key through Snefru-8 and take the first 60 bits of the result, then use those 60 bits as the real key. How do you figure out that each key is one of 2^20 ``equal'' keys? You can try a birthday attack, but if the key can be changed only once a second then you will need several lifetimes to get reliable statistics. Somehow I don't think you could catch the NSA at this sort of skulduggery. ---Dan " 862,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.194441.23595@julian.uwo.ca> lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes: >Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the >newsgroup header next time before posting! Duh! He was making a joke about how long the Leafs would last in the playoffs. (Y'know, hit the courses in the off season). Sheesh... People are so quick to complain... -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 863,7,"From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 52 In article Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes: >|> In article , gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei >|> nz) writes: >|> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real >|> >job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra >|> >money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty & >|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around >|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a >|> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've >|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+ >|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway. >|> > >|> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k. >|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks, >|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main >|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are >|> >good prices? >|> > >|> >Also, what would insurance look like? I'm male, single, 23 (I might >|> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that >|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of ""classic >|> >car"" or ""rarely driven"" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles >|> >per year? >|> > >|> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'. >|> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving >|> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would >|> probably suit your needs for limited mileage. >|> -- > In my area, Denver, if you look around alittle you can get an 1984 for 10,000 or less, not much less. You said your not looking to go fast, they are a really nice car just not real powerful.> >In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require >that the vehicle be garaged when not in use. > >$0.02 > >Ericy > > > *---------------------------------+---------------------------* > | Eric Youngblood | > | Bell-Northern Research _ | > | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~- | > | \, _} | > | \( +---------------------------| > | | Peon w/o Email privs | > *---------------------------------+---------------------------* " 864,12,"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: A/D board BUS SPEED probl Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 39 C >Hi: C >I have a 486DX2-66MHz computer to use with an A/D board C >for data acquisition on an AT bus...I'm having problems. C >The AT bus runs at 12.5 MHz - correct? So there should C >be no bus speed conflict. But I read somewhere that the C >new 486DX2-66 MHz CPU runs on a 33 MHz bus - is that for C >the local bus or the AT bus also - if so then I have a problem. C >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C >When I run on non-turbo-mode the speed goes to 8 MHz and the C >A/D doesn't work. Please mail your views! Thanks. C >Vincent C >cyl5@musica.mcgill.ca C > The STANDARD AT bus (ISA) runs at 8MHz, not 12.5 MHz, but some non-stnadard ISA buses do have higher clock rates, but be careful, since some boards don't work with faster than standard rates. For instance, my 486 has adjustable AT bus speeds, and my PAS16 audio card chokes when I do AD data acquisition with a bus speed faster than 10MHz. The fact that non-turbo-mode speed A/D doesn't work is weird. You may have a motherboard with a hardware 'bug'. 33 MHz bus on the 486DX2 66 does refer to the local bus. FYI: the AT bus operates asynchronously, and is linked to the local bus via a 'bus interface', which is one function that your 'chipset'. -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 865,17,"From: brow2812@mach1.wlu.ca (craig brown 9210 u) Subject: Re: PBS Frontline: Iran and the bomb Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 93 In article ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes: > > I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS > Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday > April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate > points. Already say it the other week on CBC Snoozeworld > 1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of > misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the > program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows: Yeah, I thought Bonanza was full of lies about the West... > > - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi > aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most > radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total > of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million > dead left from the war. > > - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For > example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: "" It hurts me to > see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda."" The > translator says: "" It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly > research.""! > > 2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought > by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to > undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's > big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in > near future and its current deficit in electrical power. Why the hell would such an oil rich (and hydroelectric potential to be exploited) spend billions on a nuclear energy programme? > 3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of > Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the > program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed > society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account > the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its > potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the > lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries > to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones > in scientific and industrial efforts. > > 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as > much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from > Iran's different sites. They say: ""We are not sure if the places visited > by IAEA are the real ones or not"" !, or "" We can not rely on IAEA's > reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear > activities before"" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build > nuclear weapons! Yeah, and we have every reason in the world to trust the Iranian regime. After all, they've been *so* forward with us in the past.... > 5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the > program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs, > William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking > from the absolute knowledge! Maybe he *is* God! > I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their > country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to > their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs > and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations. hahahahahahaahah! >Mohammad > > > [*] International Atomic Energy Agency > " 866,6,"From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley) Subject: dodge wagon for sale Summary: 1964 Dodge Dart V8 wagon $300/negotiable Keywords: 1964 Dodge Dart wagon 273ci v8 sale 300 $ for california cal CAL Bay Area bay area Cal Article-I.D.: tymix.3647 Organization: 2M&I Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: copernicus To: Dodge Dart collectors I have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash. My asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate. The car currently resides in Union City, California. Thats on the east side of the San Francisco Bay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the continent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from Sol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway Galaxy. toowhit: north of Silicon Valley if interested pleas contact Scott by the following means: internet sbrogii@tymnet.com home answering machine 510.489.6165 business voice mail 408.922.6547 loud yell & wave money out the window ^(not recommended in downtown urban environment) ps. I also have a `72 BMW r60/5 for sale, $700.00. " 867,5,"From: michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael S. A. Robb) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK. Lines: 44 In article tkld@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Davidson) writes: > >> In my opinion, a programming degree is still worth having. > > Yes, but a CS degree is *not* a programming degree. Does anybody know of >a computing course where *programming* is taught ? Computer Science is >a branch of maths (or the course I did was). > I've also done a Software Engineering course - much more practical and likely >to be the sort of thing an employer really wants, rather than what they think >they want, but also did not teach programming. The ability to program was >an entry requirement. At Robert Gordon University, programming was the main (most time-consuming) start of the course. The first two years consisted of five subjects: Software Engineering (Pascal/C/UNIX), Computer Engineering (6502/6809/68000 assembler), Computer Theory (LISP/Prolog), Mathematics/Statistics and Communication Skills (How to pass interviews/intelligence tests and group discussions e.g. How to survive a helicopter crash in the North Sea). The third year (Industrial placement) was spent working for a computer company for a year. The company could be anywhere in Europe (there was a special Travel Allowance Scheme to cover the visiting costs of professors). The fourth year included Operating Systems(C/Modula-2), Software Engineering (C/8086 assembler), Real Time Laboratory (C/68000 assembler) and Computing Theory (LISP). There were also Group Projects in 2nd and 4th Years, where students worked in teams to select their own project or decide to work for an outside company (the only disadvantage being that specifications would change suddenly). In the first four years, there was a 50%:50% weighting between courseworks and exams for most subjects. However in the Honours year, this was reduced to a 30%:70% split between an Individual Project and final exams (no coursework assessment) - are all Computer Science courses like this? BTW - we started off with 22 students in our first year and were left with 8 by Honours year. Also, every course is tutored separately. Not easy trying to sleep when you are in 8 student class :-). Cheers, Michael -- | Michael S. A. Robb | Tel: +44 31 554 9424 | ""..The problem with bolt-on | Software Engineer | Fax: +44 31 554 0649 | software is making sure the | Spider Systems Limited | E-mail: | bolts are the right size.."" | Edinburgh, EH6 5NG | michaelr@spider.co.uk | - Anonymous " 868,3,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Ram boards on a 486?? Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 27 Hello, I have a 486sx25 ISA machine with Pheonix BIOS. Currently I have 8 megabytes of RAM installed via eight 1 MG SIMMS on the motherboard: ie. both banks are full, and there is no space for more SIMMS. I am thinking of running OS2 on my machine and Possibly Linux with X windows, and I know that more RAM would be helpful. However with SIMMS, the only solution I can see is to sell my 8 Megs for about $180, and by 4 4mg SIMMS for about $400 used. Apart from the fact that I can't afford the price right now, the entire process of selling RAM and buying it used probably means that the machine might be down for a number of days which I would rather avoid... So my question is, do the AT RAM boards that plug into a free slot work well with a 486 ISA machine. I have seen some being sold used for about $90 with 4 Mg with space for another 4Mg's. If these boards do work, how do they do it? Is a device driver needed, or will the BIOS pickup the extra RAM as it does with the SIMMS on the mother board? I know that the ISA expansions slots are 16-bits and 486 SIMM memory is 32 bits, so probably all of this is just wishful thinking... However any help is truly appreciated. -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com " 869,13,From: jmetz@austin.ibm.com () Subject: Re: Twitching eye? Originator: jmetz@jmetz.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 4 I had this one time. I attributed it to a lack of sleep since it disappeared after a few nights of good zzz's. 870,11,"From: so@eiffel.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Nntp-Posting-Host: eiffel.cs.psu.edu Organization: Penn State Computer Science Lines: 19 In article <897@pivot.sbi.com> bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) writes: >This came up because I decided to configure up MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 security >for X11R5. For this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder >can't guess in a file (readable only by you) which X client applications >read. They pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a >connection. > >... >What I settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network. >Basically, I ran > > etherfind -u -x greater 0|compress > >and skipped over 10K of output, then grabbed my bits. As best I can tell, >these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed, >and quite unguessable by an intruder. For your application, what you can do is to encrypt the real-time clock value with a secret key. " 871,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 39 In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >No not, unconditional, but ""shall not be infringed"". Infringed >is defined as: > To break or ignore the terms of or obligations (an oath, > an agreement, law, or the like); to disreguard; violate. > To go beyond the boundaries or limits; tresspass; encroach. >This definition implies the following of some form of existing >agreement. Laws and agreements are made in advance. The rights guaranteed by the Constitution were considered to be pre-existing. The only agreement was that they exist. Therefore, no law grants such rights. Laws can only guarantee, protect, or infringe such rights. Websters Third New International Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged 1986 infringe 1.a. to break down:DESTROY b. DEFEAT, FRUSTRATE c. CONFUTE, REFUTE d. IMPAIR, WEAKEN 2. to commit a breach of : neglect to fulfill or obey : VIOLATE, TRANSGRESS vi : ENCROACH, TRESPASS infringement 1. the act of infringing : BREACH, VIOLATION, NONFULFILLMENT 2. an encroachment or trespass on a right or priveledge : TRESPASS ~~~~~ Now, by what stretch of the imagination do you get your ideas about infringement of rights? Al [standard disclaimer] " 872,4,"From: nextug@ac.dal.ca Subject: Powerbook 140-180 Batteries Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 15 A quick query for Powerbook gurus: Tom Spearman, in a post on alternative Powerbook battery options mentioned that there exist 3 versions of their Powerbook 140-180 batteries: a 2.5 amp hour one (M5545/A), a 2.8 amp hour one, (M5545/B) and a 2.9 amp hour one (M5545/C). Anyone out there know how to determine which of these a battery is? I looked at my battery and there is no obvious exterior indication. I contacted Tom Spearman who had gleaned the information from MacUser and he didn't know either. Anyone out there know the answer? Thanks! Christopher Majka nextug@ac.dal.ca BTW, if you can reply via EMail I would be grateful. I don't often read this newsgroup. I will post a summary of answers. " 873,16,"From: mpetro@brtph126.bnr.ca (Myron Petro P030) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC Lines: 17 >Ron Miller wrote: >When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >""no, it's total amnesty"". (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted) I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing. Myron Petro NRA, USPSA DVC y'all ************************************************************************** The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility. And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the Second Amendment. " 874,5,"From: sharma@tiger.vill.edu (Sanjeev Sharma) Subject: Positioning a window, under openlook. Keywords: Windows, openlook. Organization: Villanova University Lines: 20 Originator: sharma@tiger.vill.edu Hi there netters, I require a window to appear at a co-ordinates (0,0) (top left corner) of my screen (root window). Could some windows guru out there help me on how to go about doing this. I write the whole program which creates the window with the image it displays - I require the image to appear at the top-left corner so that I can grab it for recording on to video, using a MIniVas controller, which expects the window at the same spot every time. Thanks in advance. sincerely, Sanjeev Sharma -- _____________________________________________________________________ Office: e_mail: Deptt. of Computing Science sharma@monet.vill.edu Villanova University (215)645-6463 " 875,15,"From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Athiests and Hell Lines: 110 In article REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: >In article >sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) writes: > >>Note that in this, perhaps the oldest of the creeds, there is no mention >>of the danger of hell for non-believers. Likewise there is no mention >>of the salvation of the believers' soul and its destiny in heaven after >>death. There is only the resurrection of the body (and it does not say >>when or how). > >You don't go far enough back. If we believe in God and that He did create the >heavens and the earth and He did create Adam and Eve and that they walked in >the garden and history flowed from there, if we can agree with that, then would >you agree that the further back you go the closer you get to people who had a >stronger memory of who God was and what He said and commanded? Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall of man occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual world. This is discernable in the world outlooks of different peoples through history. The Greek, for example, could say, ""better a beggar in the land of the living than a king in the land of the dead."" (Iliad, I think). The question of what happens to human beings who died before Christ is an ever present one with Christians. I am not ready to conscign Adam or Abraham, or even Cain to eternal damnation. Yet they all died in their sins, in the Christian sense. The same can be said of the whole of Gentile humanity, and also of the unrepentant malefactor on the cross next to him. I do not limit the power of Christ to save even him, through whom Satan would mock his deed of salvation at the very moment of its fulfillment. >In my studies >of the ancient mystery reliegions, I have run across many poems or rituals or >what nots with the interpretation that those who are of God will be with Him >via the promised seed but those who rebel will suffer *eternal* life in dieing. > It was a standard belief back then. It is possible to experience eternity in a passing moment. The relationship of eternity to duration is not simply one of indefinitely extended conditions of Greenwich mean time. It is possible to imagine an eternity of agony or bliss - or even many of them - in the spiritual world during the time between earthly death and a new birth. It was also a standard belief among many peoples that even the righteous were lost. This again is the result of the loss of the paradisal consciousness that fled from us after the fall, with our ever increasing involvement with the sense world. It would be interesting to share in the results of your studies of ancient people's ideas of life after death. > Today we think we know so much and that >if we could go back in time we could sure teach those people a thing or two. >But I think that as this age has grown older that it is we who opperate from a >mist, not those of the older ages. > Mankind fell into mist and darkness, and at ""the turning point of time"" a new light entered into the world. The light still grows, and we are developing the eyes with which to see by it. Much new revelation and growth in under- standing lies before us. Our new vision and understanding is still very feeble, but it contains something new that will grow in time to embrace that which is old and much more as well. (At this point I should acknowledge openly my debt to the work of Rudolf Steiner, founder of Anthroposophy, for many insights that have led me to my views on this subject). >I have said it before, I'd love to post on this but the vulcan hammer would >fall. The history to purgatory can be shown from the druids in England to the >Greeks who pilaged it from the Egyptians who ultimately got it from the >Babylonian mysteries. And yes, the eastern religions also show many >similarities. I mean, its black and white. THe writings and the archeological >finds plainly show its origin and the whys and wherefores of this doctine. The way you refer to it as ""doctrine"" puts a modern intellectual coloring on it. I think it was much less abstract and much more real and spiritually concrete, a teaching that struck much closer to home than our doctrines or teachings today can be received. I am not so ready to attribute widespread notions in antiquity to simple dispersion from an original source. Even if they were passed on, the question is, to what extent did they reflect real perception and experience? The similarity in the midst of great variety of expression of the different people's ideas of the time immediately after death testifies to the presence of an underlying reality. In any case, we study geometry not by reading old manuscripts of Euclid, but by contemplating the principles themselves. On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in Christianity that originated most definitely in a pagan source. The idea that the human being consists essentially of soul only, and that the soul is created at birth, was consciously adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas dominated Christian thought for fifteen hundred years and still does today. He was at once the father of modern thought and at the same time lived during that darkened time when the perception of our eternal spiritual being had grown dim. >maybe at sometime in the future- Indeed. I should also clarify that I do not deny that eternal irrevocable damnation is a real possibility. But the narrow range in which we conceive of the decisive moment, i.e. after the end of a single earthly life, is not in my mind sufficient to embrace the reality, and I think that is why the early creeds were couched in terms that did not try to spell it out. >Rex Gerry (73237.2006@compuserve.com) " 876,1,From: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes) Subject: gif aerial maps? Reply-To: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes) Organization: Computer Science Dept. - Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 5 Is there an ftp site for maps of the US. Preferably aerial photographs? Thanks 877,7,"From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov Subject: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: sscvx1 Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use? On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless. To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother quicker & easier they where to shift. My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5. krispy " 878,10,From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Daigle/Kariya Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 15 In article <1qsmhtINNt5l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> ddlin@athena.mit.edu (David D Lin) writes: >I hear Daigle will eb the first pick next year. What is the word on Kariya??? >Anybody ever seen him play on TV???? Is he also entering the draft??? People are seeming to be less concerned about Kariya's size as he leads teams to championships (World Junior and US College) and collects awards...everyone is watching with interest as to how he will perform on left wing with Eric Lindros and Mark Recchi at the world championships. 4 months of go...chances were not very good that he would go in the top five...now it has become probable...a great world championship could put him in the top 3 with Daigle and Pronger. Gerald 879,9,"Subject: Re: FLORIDA SUCKS! From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 8 This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary. VERY scary! Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last year they looked helpless. The funny thing was they did have a lot of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their chances. Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the first or second game? " 880,11,"From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Summary: Fort Meade has LOTS of compute power...more than ANYWHERE else. Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr19.093227.1093@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> lewis@eecg.toronto.edu (david lewis) writes: >In article <16BB51156.C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) writes: >> >>strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >>> [..stuff deleted] >>But who would >>trust his/her confidential information to an encryption scheme that, for >>(say) $100,000 could by cracked one time in a hundred? (DES, for all the >>complaints about a 56-bit key, would probably cost several million dollars >>to build a keysearch machine for.) >> > >I can buy a DES keysearch machine off the shelf now for approx $500K, but >it is not sold by that name. Go buy a circuit emulation machine (eg. Quickturn) >containing a bunch of FPGAs, (say 500 to 1000 3090's), and program each >to be a DES search engine. Lets say 500 chips, running at 10Mhz = 5G tests/sec. >Time is 14e6 sec max = 23 weeks, 12 weeks average. Can't wait that long? >Buy a bigger machine. > Oh, but can Big Brother afford such things in these times of tight budgets? I don't know how many folks noticed it, but Dorothy ""Trust Me"" Denning gave a real clue to the current state of the art at NSA on decrypto machines when she said the NSA told her they didn't even want to be the holder of any part of the key. Now why is that? I doubt there is a trapdoor in Skipjack. (But we will never know). And I doubt the NSA would promote a mass market chip they couldn't compromise. Ergo, NSA is now capable of compromising (probably with brute force keysearch) engines of the complexity of Skipjack. Look at the specs. Why, I bet they have thousands of little chips chugging away in their crypto busters... Maybe even tens of thousands. Complexity? Not much more than a 3090. How many such machines will fit into Fort Meade? I think PGP2.3 should have 256 bit IDEA keys... -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ Support Privacy: Support Encryption (--)\ " 881,0,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 33 In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > >He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam. >One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the >existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that >Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient >number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue >is his status at the time the crime was committed. I'd have to say that I have a problem with any organization, religious or not, where the idea that _simple speech_ such as this is the basis for a crime. -jim halat " 882,17,"From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: >My response to the ""shooting down"" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian >air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your >Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the >KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived >in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS >BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending >themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT >people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft. > >At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH >crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. > Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. You might wish to read more about whether or not it is Azeri aggression only in that region. It seems to me that the Armenians are better organized, have more success militarily and shell Azeri towns repeatedly. I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to intervene, and it did. Perhaps the intervention was not supposed to last for so long, but the constant refusal of the Greek governments both on the island and in Greece to deal with reality is also to be blamed for the ongoing standoff in the region. Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it. After all, it is now free. regards, Deniz " 883,8,"From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 39 mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: mjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people mjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first mjs>time they try to go round a corner. karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: karr>Are you sure? Remember that you *can* get around corners without karr>countersteering. In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors karr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike karr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight karr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite karr>direction. (I admit I've never actually seen this.) I've experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish... My first bike used to track extremely true. Going down the highway, I would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas steady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding without any hands. If I needed to turn, I'd shift my weight into the turn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars! Granted, it wouldn't turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn a bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input to the bar normally associated with countersteering. As I've said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any input they're giving to the bar is totally unconscious. Whereas that may be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances, possibly for years at a stretch, I can't think of anybody who'd argue that this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar in a turn, regardless of what you want to call it. Except maybe for Mr. Sixsmith... ;^) Mr. Bill -- + Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX ""White Lightning"", '82 GS850G ""Suzibago"" + + leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 ""Little Honda"", '68 Lone Star ""Sick Leave"" + + DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible ""The Incredible Hulk"", others + + ""Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!"" Michael Bain, #757 + " 884,2,"From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas) Subject: Mouse Jumpiness Solved! Nntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com Reply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com Organization: AT&T Tridom Lines: 24 Can't guarantee that it'll work for everyone, but I finally fixed my mouse jumpiness problems: I installed a bus mouse. (Sorry, I didn't say the solution was free.) In the past I'd tried everything with my Microsoft serial mouse. (Cleaning it, unloading all kinds of TSRs, turning off SMARTDRV write cacheing, changing COM ports, ...) Nothing worked. Yesterday I finally broke down and bought a Mouse Systems Bus Mouse. The improvement is even better than I had imagined! So much so that my old mouse must have been jumpy all the time (I just thought it was jumpy sometimes), and I had gotten so used to it I didn't notice. My wife, who uses the computer about once a month, noticed the improvement literally within a second! I can't say anything about other bus mice, but with the Mouse Systems one you'll have to give up either COM2 or LPT2 to an IRQ. Also, if you don't know, Mouse Systems mice have three buttons. The driver includes a utility that lets you assign keystrokes to the middle button. Hope this helps someone else. If you're anywhere near as frustrated as I was, it's well worth the $80. --- Stephen Thomas AT&T Tridom (404-514-3522) email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat " 885,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: 3 AIDS Related Questions Article-I.D.: pitt.19428 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <93088.130924PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu (Paula Ford) writes: >we know ours is not HIV+ and people need it. I think my husband should give >blood, especially, because his is O+, and I understand that's a very useful >blood type. > It's O- that is especially useful. Still, he isn't punishing the Red Cross but some O+ person that needed his blood and couldn't get it. You are right, nagging probably won't help. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 886,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 51 In article stoney@oyster.smcm.edu (Stanley Toney) writes: > Muslims, i fear have been given a lie from the >fater of lies, Satan. They need Christ as do us all. > >stan toney stoney@oyster.smcm.edu >my opinions are my own, you may borrow them just picked out this one point because it struck me.... why do you believe this? muslims believe in many of the same things that christians and jews believe; they believe jesus, while not the messiah, is a prophet. this seems to me to be much closer to christianity than other religions are. (then again i tend to be somewhat liberal about others' beliefs.) this also relates to the serbian ""ethnic cleansing"" question. i have been waiting for condemnations of this and have seen very few. HOW can we stand by and watch innocent people, even people whose beliefs we condemn, if this is the case (and don't get me wrong, the things fundamenalist muslims have to say about women make my blood boil), be tortured, raped (the stories about that made me physically ill), and killed? jesus loves all, not just those who love him back -- and he would advocate kindness toward them (in the hopes of converting them, if that's the way you want to put it) rather than killing them. i'm sorry i got off the subject here -- maybe i should have used a different title. i did need to get this off my chest, however. peace (shalom), vera shanti _______________________________________________________________________________ Hand over hand noye@midway.uchicago.edu Doesn't seem so much (Vera Noyes) Hand over hand Is the strength of the common touch drop me a line if you're in the mood - Rush, ""Hand Over Fist"" _______________________________________________________________________________ [I am also worried about this issue. I've made a posting under my own name earlier today. I do not much want to discuss Moslem beliefs here. This isn't the right group for it. Their beliefs about Jesus appear to come as much from the Koran as the Bible. This means that while they honor him, what they think he did and stood for differs in many ways from Christian beliefs about him. But Moslem beliefs are an appropriate topic for soc.religion.islam. As I'm sure you know, many Christians believe that you must accept Christ in order to be saved. While Stanley's comment appears to be anti-Moslem, I would assume he would say the same thing about all religions other than Christianity. --clh] " 887,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes: > You don't care that people are being lied to, fooled into believing the > chip gives ""privacy"" when it fact it allows wiretaps? It does give privacy, just not absolute privacy. The announcement was very up front about this, and about allowing wiretaps. How is this ""fooling"" anyone? > are you so smart that you know when you're talking > to somebody who has a wiretap chip on their phone instead of a privacy > chip with private keys?) Sure. The two don't interoperate. You couldn't talk to, say, a Cylink phone from a Clipper phone. I would expect even multiprotocal phones to come with indicators saying which kind of link encryption is in use... > We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but > we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized > cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. So start a company and build them. This is still mostly a capitalist economy... > What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time > voice-encryption RSA, put it into a silicon compiler and spit out > ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for > international business, diplomats, and private communications. I agree. Go for it. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 888,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Moraltiy? (was Re: >>>What if I act morally for no particular reason? Then am I moral? What >>>>if morality is instinctive, as in most animals? >>>Saying that morality is instinctive in animals is an attempt to >>>assume your conclusion. >>Which conclusion? >You conclusion - correct me if I err - that the behaviour which is >instinctive in animals is a ""natural"" moral system. See, we are disagreeing on the definition of moral here. Earlier, you said that it must be a conscious act. By your definition, no instinctive behavior pattern could be an act of morality. You are trying to apply human terms to non-humans. I think that even if someone is not conscious of an alternative, this does not prevent his behavior from being moral. >>You don't think that morality is a behavior pattern? What is human >>morality? A moral action is one that is consistent with a given >>pattern. That is, we enforce a certain behavior as moral. >You keep getting this backwards. *You* are trying to show that >the behaviour pattern is a morality. Whether morality is a behavior >pattern is irrelevant, since there can be behavior pattern, for >example the motions of the planets, that most (all?) people would >not call a morality. I try to show it, but by your definition, it can't be shown. And, morality can be thought of a large class of princples. It could be defined in terms of many things--the laws of physics if you wish. However, it seems silly to talk of a ""moral"" planet because it obeys the laws of phyics. It is less silly to talk about animals, as they have at least some free will. keith " 889,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: ""Rubber-hose cryptanalysis"" Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 7 Some sick part of me really liked that phrase.... Actually, merely the threat of a *long* prison sentence, even without a beating, can get most people to give in. Especially if it's also punctuated with a trip to the county jail, where one just happens to get locked up with all the drunk/stoned/crazy folks that are too violent to be left in cells with other people.... " 890,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: RE: need shading program example in X Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <930421105641.100043a@TGV.COM>, mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes: |> |> # |> #Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? |> #I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. |> # |> #Appreciate the help. |> # |> |> I don't know if this might help, but I've just started playing with a program |> called POVRay (Persistance of Vision Raytracer) that also displays its output |> via X Windows. It does a fairly good job of allocating the colormap on my |> Psuedo-Color 8-plane display. I got the source from from a site in Canda. |> The person I retrieved them from was David Buck (dbuck@ccs.carleton.ca). |> I think the original post was searching for existing implementations of f.i. Gouroud-shading of triangles. This is fairly complex to do with plain X. Simpler shading models are implemented already, f.i. in x3d (ask archie where to get the latest version). For Gouroud, a fast implementation will be possible utilizing some extension only, either MIT-SHM to do the shade in an image and fast update the window with it, or PEX/OpenGL which should be able to shade themselves. The portable 'vanilla X' way would be to shade in a normal XImage and use XPutImage(), what would be good enough to do static things as f.i. fractal landscapes or such stuff. To speak about POVRay, the X previewer that comes with the original source package is not that good, especially in speed, protocol-friendlyness and ICCCM compliance. Have a look on x256q, my own preview code. It is on 141.76.1.11:pub/gfx/ray/misc/x256q/ The README states the points where it is better than xwindow.c from POVRay 1.0 -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 891,14,"From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: Retro Aerospace Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu Summary: Hmm... Hmm. $1 billion, lesse... I can probably launch 100 tons to LEO at $200 million, in five years, which gives about 20 tons to the lunar surface one-way. Say five tons of that is a return vehicle and its fuel, a bigger Mercury or something (might get that as low as two tons), leaving fifteen tons for a one-man habitat and a year's supplies? Gee, with that sort of mass margins I can build the systems off the shelf for about another hundred million tops. That leaves about $700 million profit. I like this idea 8-) Let's see if you guys can push someone to make it happen 8-) 8-) [slightly seriously] -george william herbert Retro Aerospace " 892,13,"From: rjb3@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.j.brown) Subject: Re: Human breast-feeding : Myths or reality ? Organization: AT&T Summary: experience with three children Lines: 32 In article , homer@tripos.com (Webster Homer) writes: > rjasoar@vnet.IBM.COM (Robert J. Alexander MD) writes: > > I have an additional question. How long should a mother breast feed her > child? A friend of mine is still nursing her two year old. Is this beneficial? > Her ex-husband is trying to use her coninued nursing of a two year old as > ""proof"" of her being unfit to be a mother. What studies have been done > on breast feeding past a year etc... upon the psychological health of the > child? > > > Web Homer > My wife breast-fed my three boys 12 months, 16 months, and 29 months respectively and they are 18, 16, and 10 years old respectively. So far everybody seems fairly normal. I noticed a negative correlation with ear infections and length of time nursed in my very small sample. I do notice that the 16 and 18 year old seem to eat a lot, could that be from the breast feeding :-) ? I don't understand the ""unfit mother"" charge other than any tactic is not too low down for some folks during divorce/child custody battles. Most of the developing nations practice breast feeding to 3 and 4 years old. Are they screwed up because of it ? Would they be much better off if they could use cow's milk or commercial formula ? Doctors ? Bobby - akgua!rjb " 893,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 22 In <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >Depends. If you assume the existance of a working SSTO like DC, on billion >$$ would be enough to put about a quarter million pounds of stuff on the >moon. If some of that mass went to send equipment to make LOX for the >transfer vehicle, you could send a lot more. Either way, its a lot >more than needed. >This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is >enough to do it if the vehicle exists. But Allen, if you can assume the existence of an SSTO there is no need to have the contest in the first place. I would think that what we want to get out of the contest is the development of some of these 'cheaper' ways of doing things; if they already exist, why flush $1G just to get someone to go to the Moon for a year? -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 894,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody <1993Apr18.061532.3288@uoft02.utoledo.edu> Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr18.061532.3288@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) says: > >Jason Kratz (U28037@uicvm.uic.edu) writes: >> >> Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. >> You give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in >> their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My >> question is what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops >> or should you collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and >> get out of there (provided of course you don't think that you have >> been seen)? What kind of laws are on the books regarding this type >> of situation? What would be the most likely thing to happen to you >> if you stayed and waited and it was a first offense? What would >> happen if you took off but someone saw you and you were caught? > >ghods. do you have -any- idea how much trouble you'd get into for >taking off like that? leaving the scene of an auto accident is bad >enough! killing someone & leaving is 10 times worse. who's going >to seriously believe it was self-defense when you took the time >to collect your spent casings? ""But officer, I reload!"" > Well, like someone said in a reply to this it really all depends on the area that you live in. See David Veal's reply to this. I have heard exactly the same thing that he said in his reply - to fade away if you think that you haven't been seen (I heard this from a police officer). For the record though he was talking about in Tennessee - not everywhere. >even if you could get away with it, you're still a fugitive. do >it nice & legal, keep your law-abiding status & send your story >into the Armed Citizen column of American Rifleman. > >jason > >-- Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu " 895,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Israel! In-Reply-To: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:57:50 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 6 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: Israel - Happy 45th Birthday! May you and your neighbors know peace even before you see 46. " 896,5,"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question In-Reply-To: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV's message of 14 Apr 1993 15:19:05 -0400 Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Lines: 88 > > I am trying to use XCopyPlane to copy a single plane > from a depth-8 pixmap to a depth-1 pixmap. Everytime I > try this, I see absolutely nothing displayed. I know there > is data in the depth-8 pixmap becuase I have checked by doing > an XCopyArea to the screen. > > I have been successful getting XCopyPlane to work if I use > two pixmaps of depth-8. Is there a problem with what I am > trying to do?? > > Could someone please scan my code segment and let me know > where I am going wrong... > > I have created a XmDrawingArea widget called canvas. > > w_id = XtWindow(canvas); > display = XtDisplay(canvas); > screen = DefaultScreen (display); > pixmap8 = XCreatePixmap (display, RootWindow (display, screen), > w_width, w_height, DefaultDepth (display, screen)); > pixmap1 = XCreatePixmap (display, RootWindow (display, screen), > w_width, w_height, 1); > > w_gc8 = XCreateGC (display, w_id, 0, NULL); > w_gc1 = XCreateGC (display, pixmap1, 0, NULL); > > --> Code to read xwd image into pixmap8 is omitted <---- > Have you set the foreground and background colors in w_gc1 to something other than 0 and 1? The WhitePixel and BlackPixel macros on your server may not return values suitable for depth 1 drawables. > /* Copy one plane into the depth-1 pixmap */ > XCopyPlane (display, pixmap8, pixmap1, > w_gc1, 0, 0, w_width, w_height, 0, 0, 16); > Are you sure that the fifth plane of the data isn't all the same? You could have different pixel values in the image, but the fifth plane (0x10 == 16) might all be the same value? > /* Using the depth-1 pixmap as the clipmask, copy it to the screen */ > values.foreground = fg_color; > values.clip_x_origin = 0; > values.clip_y_origin = 0; > values.clip_mask = pixmap1; > mask = GCForeground | GCClipMask; > XChangeGC (display, w_gc8, mask, &values); > > XFillRectangle (display, w_id, w_gc8, 0, 0, w_width, w_height); > If you just want to see the plane of data and want better performance, don't use ClipMasks, just use pixmap1 as the stipple in a stippled rectangle fill. Many servers are very stupid about handling complex clip lists, and turn a bitmap clip region into hundreds and hundreds of little clipping rectangles, and clips every drawing primitive against every one of these little triangles. Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your rectangle? > Other Info: X11R5 Patchlevel 10 > Motif 1.2.1 > Sun Sparc2 running SunOS 4.1.1 > > > Thanks in Advance! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Nancie P. Marin NET: nancie@neko.css.gov > ENSCO Inc. MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct. Melbourne, Fl. 32940 > (407)254-4122 FAX: (407)254-3293 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051 " 897,11,"From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) Subject: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Distribution: na Lines: 94 Note: The following was released by the White House today in conjunction with the announcement of the Clipper Chip encryption technology. FACT SHEET PUBLIC ENCRYPTION MANAGEMENT The President has approved a directive on ""Public Encryption Management."" The directive provides for the following: Advanced telecommunications and commercially available encryption are part of a wave of new computer and communications technology. Encryption products scramble information to protect the privacy of communications and data by preventing unauthorized access. Advanced telecommunications systems use digital technology to rapidly and precisely handle a high volume of communications. These advanced telecommunications systems are integral to the infrastructure needed to ensure economic competitiveness in the information age. Despite its benefits, new communications technology can also frustrate lawful government electronic surveillance. Sophisticated encryption can have this effect in the United States. When exported abroad, it can be used to thwart foreign intelligence activities critical to our national interests. In the past, it has been possible to preserve a government capability to conduct electronic surveillance in furtherance of legitimate law enforcement and national security interests, while at the same time protecting the privacy and civil liberties of all citizens. As encryption technology improves, doing so will require new, innovative approaches. In the area of communications encryption, the U. S. Government has developed a microcircuit that not only provides privacy through encryption that is substantially more robust than the current government standard, but also permits escrowing of the keys needed to unlock the encryption. The system for the escrowing of keys will allow the government to gain access to encrypted information only with appropriate legal authorization. To assist law enforcement and other government agencies to collect and decrypt, under legal authority, electronically transmitted information, I hereby direct the following action to be taken: INSTALLATION OF GOVERNMENT-DEVELOPED MICROCIRCUITS The Attorney General of the United States, or her representative, shall request manufacturers of communications hardware which incorporates encryption to install the U.S. government-developed key-escrow microcircuits in their products. The fact of law enforcement access to the escrowed keys will not be concealed from the American public. All appropriate steps shall be taken to ensure that any existing or future versions of the key-escrow microcircuit are made widely available to U.S. communications hardware manufacturers, consistent with the need to ensure the security of the key-escrow system. In making this decision, I do not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- escrow system. KEY-ESCROW The Attorney General shall make all arrangements with appropriate entities to hold the keys for the key-escrow microcircuits installed in communications equipment. In each case, the key holder must agree to strict security procedures to prevent unauthorized release of the keys. The keys shall be released only to government agencies that have established their authority to acquire the content of those communications that have been encrypted by devices containing the microcircuits. The Attorney General shall review for legal sufficiency the procedures by which an agency establishes its authority to acquire the content of such communications. PROCUREMENT AND USE OF ENCRYPTION DEVICES The Secretary of Commerce, in consultation with other appropriate U.S. agencies, shall initiate a process to write standards to facilitate the procurement and use of encryption devices fitted with key-escrow microcircuits in federal communications systems that process sensitive but unclassified information. I expect this process to proceed on a schedule that will permit promulgation of a final standard within six months of this directive. The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. " 898,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Malpractice Not the Issue (Was Re: 8 MYTHS about National Health...) Summary: Malpractice insurance and litigation don't explain US health probs Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 46 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.001116.19872@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes... >>The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees. >> >>Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Then why do we really need national health insurance then? >Wouldn't it just make more sense to find some way to cut down >on the cost of malpractice insurance? It would if malpractice and ""defensive medicine"" were the main factors in explaining spiralling US health care costs, but they aren't. Although Gary is correct in noting that malpractice-related problems are greater in the US than Canada, they by no means account for the overall difference in health care costs. (They do account for a somewhat larger portion of the difference in physicians' gross income in the two countries.) Some facts. Malpractice insurance and awards account for less than 1% of total health care costs in the US. In 1991, according to a survey of physicians conducted by a national medical journal physicians averaged paying 3.7% of their practice receipts in malpractice insurance. Malpractice insurance premiums and malpractice awards peaked in 1985; they've declined significantly since then. At the same time, health care costs have increased more than any period in history. As far as ""defensive medicine"" is concerned, the AMA estimates that its total impact is about $7 billion per year. That's about 8% of the total current INCREASE in health care costs -- and the estimate is from a group that could be expected to overestimate the impacts of defensive medicine on health care. As small a problem as this is in the overall scheme of things, however, Clinton has been on record for a long time favoring an indemnification of MD's against malpractice suits if they follow procedures set by their specialties. This would eliminate most, if not all frivolous suits while retaining the ability to sue for true malpractice. jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 899,9,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Harry Caray Distribution: na Lines: 17 last night bill veeck cam to me in my dreams and this is what he said: cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs scuk cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs cuck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck oh yeah, he aqlso added that harry is a drunken idiot who shoulda stayed in st louis where his heart is, but also added that fair weathered fans all like to be together. i guess this is the reason harry is now a cub fan, bud man. note he never really left st, louis. jim walker go sox, cubs suck! " 900,8,"From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 37 Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: : kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled: Jonathan Quist bemoaned: : : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M., : : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British : : |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was late and too pricey. If they can write off the Elan development costs the may be able to sell them for a sensible price. : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not : : the name. : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate : company from the RR Aero-Engine company. It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension. Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail address so we can bung him on the Ogri list? dave -- David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000 ""This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."" " 901,7,"From: jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney) Subject: Re: anti-theft devices Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 36 Originator: jdmooney@koinsv02 In article <99948@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, rhaar@gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes: > In article 3056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com, jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney) writes: > |> > |>Someone writes: > |>> > |>> BTW, somebody stole the front grille off my beat-up 1983 Nissan Sentra > |>> a few weeks ago! I couldn't believe it. I'm just driving around > |>> without it now. > |> > |>Years ago, my brother lived in a ROUGH area.... he left his NOVA > |>parked on the street in FRONT of his house for a few days..... > |>one day he went to move it back into the driveway, it wouldn't start.... > |> > |>Seems some industrious fool needed a NOVA GAS TANK..... the fool found > |>one under my brothers car. > |> > > The engines in VW Beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car > or even opening the engine compartment. How would you like to find that > your car wouldn't start because the engine was stolen? > I would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer... a gas tank is about 50$ in a junkyard. An engine... more! Seriously though, my other brother, DARRELL, left his VW on the same street... someone stole the radiator out of it.... try finding a VW radiator in a junkyard :-) I DARE YOU ! JD -- ******************************************************************************** * John D Mooney Delco Electronics General Motors * * ------------------ jdmooney@kocrsv01@delcoelect.com -------------------------* * Opinions expressed are MINE... NOT necessarily DE's or GM's * " 902,15,"From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 43 In article , mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) writes: > In article miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >>[Any former atheists converted by argument?} >>This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are >>any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. >>when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone >>""knew the rules."" Today, when you can't count on people knowing even >>the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is >>often indistinguishable from a poor one. > > The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of > soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as > Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. I haven't followed whatever discussion there may have been on these people, but I feel that C. S. Lewis is an excellent apologist and I see no reason for embarrassment. If you think that errors and flawed arguments are a reason for dismissing a thinker, you must dismiss nearly every thinker from Descartes to Kant; any philosophy course will introduce you to their weaknesses. The above also expresses a rather odd sense > of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were > mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people > today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the > cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in > the medieval period ""knew the rules"" it was a matter of uncritically > accepting what they were told. I said nothing about ""the masses."" However comparing ""the masses"" in our day and in Aquinas' day really *is* odd. Read Ortega y Gasset on this. I'm talking about the familiar experience of arguing all night and winning on logic and evidence, only to discover your opponent to be unaware, even intuitively, of things like entailment (let alone pragmatics). (I am assuming that both parties are college graduates or better...) Myself, I don't bother any more. Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton " 903,2,"From: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Subject: re: I hate to make a decision ! Organization: DSO, Stanford University Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr26.030204.27417%gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) writes: > >Hi. > > Well, I really hate to make a decision, but recently, I have to choose > whether stacker 3.0 or dos 6.0 with double space for my poor HD. > I am using windwos 3.1 and I hope what I choose will live with windows. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > >-- >===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== > Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw > CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw > Stacker achieves better compression ratio than DOS6, yet the latter comes with virus detection, memory manager, and multiple booting. Each of them are not so good as the NAV, QEMM or NDOS in my opinion, but with a package of only $45, it's nice if haven't yet installed all of those stuffs. Both certainly work with Win31. Rensheng Horng " 904,2,"From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) Subject: Mathcad 4.0 swap file? Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 119 Reposting and summarizing, for your information or additional comment. *** THIS IS LONG *** I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX (25 MHz), an Intel math coprocessor, and a 120MB hard drive with 20MB free (no compression). I have been running Mathcad 3.1, under Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode, with a 5MB RAM drive, 2MB/1MB Smart drive, and no swap file (permanent or temporary) for several months. I am interested in the faster Mathcad 4.0, but I am concerned about reported swap file requirements and the legitimacy of Mathsoft's claim about increased speed. TO 386SX USERS: Will Mathcad 4.0 run without a swap file, or insist that I use a swap file? So far, in response to a less detailed description of my setup, or in unrelated postings, the more informed answers, on the net or by E-mail, appear to be: 1) by fuess@llnl.gov (David A. Fuess) >> >> According to Mathsoft, no. Mathcad uses the swap file extensively so as >> not to overburden the physical resources. They say this is actually a >> win32s feature. A figure of 10MB was indicated to me as a minimum. But >> you might try anyway! 2) by bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) >> >> I'm not all that certain that Mathcad is the culprit here. >> >> I have a 486/66DX2 with 16MB of main memory (less 2MB for a RAMdisk and >> a bit for a DOS session that is opened as part of the startup process), >> which I have been running without any swapfile. When I installed the >> WIN32s subsystem from the March Beta of the NT SDK, the WIN32s subsystem >> itself demanded the presence of a swapfile. The only WIN32s program >> I've run to date is the 32-bit version of Freecell that came with that >> subsystem. >> >> I gave Windows a small temporary swapfile (I'm leery of files that must >> remain in fixed locations on my hard disk), and all seems well. 3) by bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) >> >> What is Win32? I upgraded to Mathcad 4.0 and it installed a directory for >> Win32 under \windows\system . During the upgrade it told me that win32 >> was required. 4) by case0030@student.tc.umn.edu (Steven V Case-1) >> >> MathCad 4.0 makes use of the Win32s libraries. You've probably >> heard about Win32s, it is a 32-bit Windows library that provides >> much of the Windows NT functionality (no support for threads and >> multitasking and such) but can be run under Windows 3.1. 5) by rhynetc@zardoz.chem.appstate.edu (Thomas C. Rhyne) >> >> I also have 16 Mb of ram, and indeed Mathcad 4.0 insisted on a permanent >> swapfile; it would not run otherwise. 6) by bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) >> >> 3) MathCAD absolutely requires 4MB RAM (with 12MB swap file) or 8MB RAM >> (with 8MB swap file). It will give you a not enough memory error if the >> swap file is less than 8MB. It is a MAJOR resource hog. If you do not >> load the symbolic processor or the smart math, it takes about 5MB of RAM >> (real or virtual) just to load (again, due to the win32s libraries. ******************************************************************************** * * * So it seems that in addition to the system requirements shown on Mathsoft's * * advertisement for 4.0, that you need a swap file, possibly as big as 12MB. * * Looks like I would just need an 8MB swap file, and would need to choose (or * * can I?) between a faster permanent swap file, or a slower temporary swap file* * * * Apparently a Win32 subsystem ships with Mathcad 4.0 - how much disk space * * does this require? * * * ******************************************************************************** I also received these answers: 1) by mfdjh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dale Hample) >> >> If you've got 16 megs of RAM, why not configure 10megs as a ram disk for >> Mathcad? DOS 6 permits different bootup configurations. ******************************************************************************** * * * Can Mathcad 4.0 + Win32 be configured to use such a RAM drive instead of a * * swap file? If not, I don't see how using DOS 6.0 for an alternate bootup * * would provide Windows with this swap file. Some time back I remember a * * discussion about the issues of using a RAM drive to support a swap file, * * but I thought this involved slower, < 8MB systems. * * * * I have DOS 6.0 but for various reasons have not yet done a full installation.* * * * By the way, is a full installation of DOS 6.0 required to avail oneself of * * the ""alternate bootup"" feature? Which files from the installation disks are * * required? * * * ******************************************************************************** 2) by wild@access.digex.com (Wildstrom) >> >> Presumeably, you mean without a _permanent_ swap file. If Windows needs a >> swap file, it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesn't exist. >> Permanent is generally faster though. I don't know why Mathcad wouldn't >> be happy with either type--Ver. 3.0 is and so should any program conforming >> to the Win specification. ********************************************************************************* * * * So far, 16MB has been enough RAM to avoid the overhead of running ANY swap * * file - I have been running Mathcad 3.1 under Windows 3.1 without one. * * * ********************************************************************************* " 905,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 18 In article <1qn6tqINNmnf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: > >the best home run i have *ever* seen came off, believe it or not, >Roger Clemens (sorry, Val) a couple of years ago. he threw a ball to >Incaviglia which was literally at Inky's neck, and he absolutely >hammered the crap out of it. after the swing, Clemens nonchalantly >motioned for a new ball--he didn't even turn around to look, or >even get upset. the ball hit the lights in the left-field standard, >some 70 or so feet about the Green Monster (over 100 feet above the >ground total!) > >truly an amazing shot. I agree. Home runs off Clemens are always memorable. Kinda like eclipses and hurricanes. They don't happen very often. Cheers, -Valentine " 906,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: >Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of >encryption. Could somebody provide an overview of the proposed systems using the chip? (Ought to see if ATT has a spec sheet) Skipjack sounds like a normal digital encryption algorithm, so the data path will have to be voice --> digitize --> compress --> encrypt Compression will be necessary to fit the data on the wire, unless they want to wait for ISDN (that we should be so lucky...). Feeding pre-encrypted data into the compressor will cause it to chuckle at you; you'd have to tap into the guts of the phone and hack either the compressed data stream, or selected parts of the output stream before it hits the modem. Unless you want to pay for two fast modems on top of the encryption, and just plug the box in between your phone and the wall. >- Carl PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 907,18,"Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr4.163015.10438@highlite.uucp>, croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) says: [of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.] >It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after >watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down >the toilet. Tsk. Surely you don't wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country just so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That's rather a petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn't extend all the way to the U.S. Senate, I've noticed...) While Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he'd wise up. I couldn't stand the man, but I wish he'd done a decent job; if so, we might not be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for suffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should be hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you're certain he won't. ""...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they'd try to charge me for them. " 908,13,"Subject: Teenage acne From: pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) Organization: Actrix Networks Lines: 26 My 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose. I bought him Clearasil face wash and ointment. I think that is probably enough, along with the usual good diet. However, he is on at me to get some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a doctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the chemist's counter. I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say either his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil is OK. I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious. His father was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate into something disfiguring. But I know kids are senstitive about their appearance. I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from acne treatment. I want to help - but with appropriate treatment. My son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp. Sort of teenage cradle cap. Any pointers/advice on this? We have tried a couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to make the condition worse, not better. Shall I bury the kid till he's 21 :) -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The floggings will continue until morale improves pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand " 909,11,"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Some Questions (was: REVISED SUMMARY) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 90 > Here is a revised version of my summary that corrects some errors and > provides some additional information and explanation. Thank you very much. After reading the text some distinct questions arised to me, which I guess will also be asked by other people. Perhaps would it be interesting to find an answer to these questions ? > THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY > N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) shorter or longer ? > Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to > encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The > telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two > values: > E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and > E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , > which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement > field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U > concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family > key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after > an authorized wiretap has been installed. First question: When will the LawEnforcmentField be transmitted, and how does the remote Clipper Chip handle it? Is it transmitted periodically in the stream of encrypted blocks, or just at the beginning ? Does the phone at the other side discard those packets via a protocol whatsoever, or tries it to turn them into voice-output ? (Which would not be disturbing) > At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key > escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random > 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random > 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit > keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a > function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80. Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system- security. > When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they > will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get > access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in > place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the > Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the > family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap > has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is > then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who > return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed > together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the > session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will > be accomplished through a special black box decoder. So no (technical) provision will be taken to place a 'timeout' on these warrants? This would be a unique possibility to realize such a technical restriction, by letting the escrow-agencies perform the decoding of the session key. Just take modem-lines instead of secure fax. Is this such a bad idea ? > A successor to the Clipper Chip, called ""Capstone"" by the government > and ""MYK-80"" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include > the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the > Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast > exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for > testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for > delivery in June or July. Wow! (How does the randomizer work?) Are the SHA (and Key exchange) secret, or publicly known ? Key-Exchange is DH, I guess ? It seems that those who are opposed to this chip shall have a tough time, your government realy means to act. :-( Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F " 910,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience My brother's has been trouble free. Not one single repair, only regular maintainance. The only work he had done on it was a result of his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn on a busy intersection, and was rear-ended. He has a 1989 Plymouth Sundance. I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if you can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car called the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where. Good luck with your desiscion. " 911,19,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr15.071814.27960@wam.umd.edu>, judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- objectively subjective) writes: >> = <1qhn7m$a95@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >[culled from a discussion on Christianity and objective morals] > >Question: Is there any effective difference between: > >""Objective values exist, and there is disagreement over what they are"" > >and > >""Values are subjective?"" > >I don't see any. > Is there any difference in saying ""Absolute Truth exists, but some people think its a lie"" and ""Truth is relative"" ? I think there is: in both examples, the first statement is a fundamental disagreement between at least two people; the second statement is agreed upon by all. To put it another way, someone who says objective values exist does not agree that values are subjective. -jim halat " 912,14,"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) Subject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons! Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa Lines: 21 nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such.. >Why not?? If you can put them on ""safe"" ""pause"" mode.. why not have them be >activated by a signal from a space craft (manned?) to act as a naviagtion >beacon, to take a directional plot on?? >Wierd or what? >== >Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked There is a whole constellation of custom built navigation beacon satellites in the process of being phased out right now. The TRANSIT/OSCAR satellites are being replaced by GPS. Or were you thinking of deep space navigation, which is best done with doppler/VLBI/ stellar measurements. I do not think additional radio beacons would help much. -- Dave Stephenson Geological Survey of Canada Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca " 913,14,"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: Re: Clementine name Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu In article F00001@permanet.org, Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >Please go just one step further: >How has the word ""Clementine"" been associated with mining? > Could be the (folk?) song ""Clementine"". If memory serves, part of it goes: In a cavern, by a canyon, Excavating for a mine, Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, and his daughter, Clementine. Anyone who watched Huckleberry Hound can sing you the chorus :-) Is there a story/real person behind the song? +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ " 914,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 62 In article <48095@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes: > ""Turkey must bare its teeth to Armenia."" Sooner than you expect. Remember 'Cyprus'? > I have to say I vehemently disagree with you, I have seen Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary, during World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1] ""Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."" Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian. ""...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors... Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian! I don't need your bias."" Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. [1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer: June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 915,12,"From: massey@travis.llnl.gov Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder Article-I.D.: travis.1993Apr6.093828.1 Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.llnl.gov In article , dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: > I've been wanting to build a Tesla coil for quite awhile now ( > who doesn't, right? ) and I thought it would be a good intermidiate > step to build a JAcob's Ladder first. > Well, I have been looking for a high voltage transformer that > is reasonable inexpensive ( neon sign transformers cost mucho ). In the past I've managed to buy used neon sign transformers from sign shops for about $20. Try calling around. Warren N. Massey Massey@Travis.LLNL.Gov Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 7000 East Ave., P.O. Box 808, L-495 Livermore, Calif. 94550 <<>> (510)422-1958 " 916,9,"From: rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER Article-I.D.: netcom.rudyC52rBD.86w Organization: Home of the Brave Lines: 18 My god, hope we don't have to put up with this kind of junk all season! In article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WALTER WORKS) writes: > The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. They >clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two >homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a three How many home runs by Tartabull? Just 1, right, you must be thinking of Dean Palmer or Juan Gonzalez (both of Texas) who each had 2 homers. >run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, >tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many more I don't know how many to follow, but he was 1 for 4. > GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young. Spare us, please! " 917,5,"From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: How do I find my AppContext? Organization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project In-Reply-To: masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 23:00:15 GMT Lines: 14 On 19 Apr 1993 23:00:15 GMT, masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) said: > Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? > I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, > whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use > to give me this value? I believe it's XtVaAppInitialize or something like that. -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! #include " 918,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Distribution: usa Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr22.202051.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu>, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu wrote: > > In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes: > > > > A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's > > disease. > > > > But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, > > without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. > > > > Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the > > problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > > > > (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). > > > > Thanks in advance, > > John Eyles > > All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While > most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who > are in ""private practice"" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their > patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get > your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for > the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The > better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's > plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to > control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal. > Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and > lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but > I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For > bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects > are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing > a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with > inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet. > > Marty B. Be sure a dietician is up to date on Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis. Previously, low residue diets were recommended, but this advice has now changed. Also, there will be differences in advice in patients with and without obstructuon remaining, so input by the physician will be important. I find the dietician very important in my practice, and I send most of my patients to a dietician in the course of seeing them, since dieticians know so much better how to get diet histories and evaluate the contents of a diet than I do. Steve Holland " 919,9,"From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 70 Most of this discussion has been between Mark Singer and David Tate, with Valentine weighing in on the same side as Dave at various times. My opinion, FWIW, to all: Mark, age doesn't matter; ability does. I would rather have the untried rookie with great minor league numbers than the veteran who has proven himself to be average at best. I don't care if he is 15; if he plays better than what I have, I want him out there. Sandy Alomar had decent minor league numbers, grossly inflated by the PCL in general and Las Vegas in particular; he should have been projected as an average major league hitter (which is good for a catcher, I'll admit). Santiago's numbers would probably come out the same as Sandy's, but I don't have the league data from the mid-80s to check it out. That being said, I agree with sending Lopez to Richmond, at least to start the season. As the box below shows, he has *one* minor league season in which he hit well. He has two in which he hit very, very poorly. I want to see that the 92 Lopez is real. Olson and Berryhill are not complete mediocrities; for catchers, especially NL catchers, they are essentially average hitters, with equivalent averages around .220. If he had hit well at prior levels, I would say he belongs on the Braves; but there is a reasonable chance that Lopez last year was just as much a fluke as Alomar in 90 or Santiago in 87. One year at any level, at any age, doesn't satisfy MY standards of evidence. JAVIER LOPEZ 1971 1990 BUR 428 101 10 1 9 5 0 1 .179 33 .236 .245 .327 1991 DUR 389 84 8 1 9 14 7 2 .175 29 .216 .243 .311 1992 GRN 445 135 22 2 14 22 7 2 .271 71 .303 .336 .456 1992 ATL 16 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 .306 3 .375 .375 .500 MAJ 16 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 .306 3 .375 .375 .500 MIN 1262 320 40 4 32 41 14 5 .213 133 .254 .277 .368 TOT 1278 326 42 4 32 41 14 5 .214 136 .255 .278 .369 MAJ 650 244 81 0 0 0 0 0 MIN 630 160 20 2 16 20 7 2 TOT 630 161 21 2 16 20 7 2 On a similar note, I don't understand why more people are not supportive of Neon Deion. Granted, I thought his behavior with McCarver last year was completely bush. Last year was the first time he ever got 300 AB in one place, so his lines are hard to read. But he has a combined 720 OPS in minor league play; with his speed is more valuable than the OPS alone indicates; and at a still young age (24), had a monster year with an 868 OPS. He has a total, major and minor, EQA of .249; above major league average, and above average for CF (which was about .240 in the NL last year). He has shown at least the potential of going into the .290s, which would make him one of the 15 best hitters in the league. He has two full seasons before reaching his ""prime"" season of 27. He should be considered as a legitimate prospect, and not as a simple side-show attraction. DEION SANDERS 1968 1988 FLA 21 8 2 0 0 1 1 0 .325 4 .381 .409 .476 1988 INT 20 3 1 0 0 1 1 1 .086 0 .150 .190 .200 1989 EAS 123 35 1 2 2 9 15 4 .257 19 .285 .333 .374 1989 NYY 47 11 1 0 2 3 1 0 .222 6 .234 .280 .383 1989 INT 263 70 11 4 6 18 15 6 .246 37 .266 .313 .407 1990 NYY 133 21 2 2 3 13 8 2 .161 9 .158 .233 .271 1990 INT 85 26 7 1 1 14 8 1 .312 18 .306 .404 .447 1991 ATL 110 20 2 1 4 12 10 3 .201 12 .182 .262 .327 1991 RIC 129 30 5 2 4 7 11 3 .230 17 .233 .272 .395 1992 ATL 306 92 10 12 11 22 24 9 .295 60 .301 .348 .520 MAJ 596 144 15 15 20 50 43 14 .245 87 .242 .300 .418 MIN 641 172 27 9 13 50 51 15 .252 96 .268 .321 .399 TOT 1237 316 42 24 33 100 94 29 .249 182 .255 .311 .408 MAJ 600 145 15 15 20 50 43 14 MIN 603 162 25 8 12 47 48 14 TOT 601 154 20 12 16 49 46 14 Clay D. " 920,18,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: re: fillibuster Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 132 In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: > >In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > >|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything >|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out. >|> >|> That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer >|>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough >|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more. > >Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore >difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. There are a couple of ways to look at them. One is, ""We want you to support this Constitution, so we'll say anything that we think will appeal to you,"" or the more straightforward, ""This is why we think what we've suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."" You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation. >They >certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this >was not necessarily their true position. Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and probably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson's democratic impules. But what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions on the government if we don't consider what they wrote about the government? And is writing in support of something automatically ""propoganda"" to the point we must assume it is untrue or that they are saying what they don't believe? >|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty >|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock >|>>set in. >|> >|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had ""wide powers."" I was under the >|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and >|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted >|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.) > >The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in >question. If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also. (In fact, they both were, because the British government had much greater power than did the American system). >|> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely >|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their >|>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed >|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act >|>as a check on the more-often elected House. > >The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up >a bit too slow. I disagree. The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to handle less than it has demanded that it handle. As somebody in Washington put it (whose name I forget), ""Congress has become everybody's city council."" Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than enough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its original jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy. It is not a case of the system of government they created failing, but that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically wanted to avoid. Namely, a concentration of power. It would seem then that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either House in some attempt to grease the wheels. All you'll get then is a system which moves quicker to do stupid things. It would make more sense to make more decisions at a local level. >|> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be >|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You'll note that while the >|>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about >|>a ""veto"" by the Senate. > >The Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it >in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent >of being a check on unreasonable legislation. Please explain to me how Bush abused the veto in an ""extraordinary"" manner. >The veto was clearly regarded >as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to >preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive. I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were placed on the veto. It could just as easily have been read as a means to put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive's opinion) policies. There is no limit in the Constitution to the President's veto power regarding what a bill is for. Previous Presidents have used the veto for any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their agenda. I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President who abused vetos. >the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as >a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into >the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives >of the states is not a reasonable restriction. Why is it not a reasonable restriction? Because 51 Senators is the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based? If 41 Senators feel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and fillibuster isn't that *enough* to indicate there's a sufficient question as to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it? Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which covers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living in radically different conditions? Why *shouldn't* a super-majority be required? Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power to ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored. I do not see this as a positive thing. And for all that I'm sure the Republicans are looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they've got some legitimate objections to the legislation in question. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 921,3,"From: rmm@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.m.maniscalco) Subject: Re: Share your optimization tips Organization: AT&T Lines: 33 In article <1pm61pINNp45@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar) writes: >According to e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein): >> Here's another one: >> >> 5. My computer arrived with the following statement in its >> config.sys file: STACKS = 9,256. I changed it to >> STACKS = 8,128 and saved 1296 bytes. Maybe it could be >> lowered even more, but I haven't tried it. > >Exactly. > >Regardless of what Microsoft says, I have set STACKS=0,0 on every single >computer I have installed Windows on from a simple 386SX-16 up to 486DX-50 >with EISA motherboards, NDI Volante TIGA adapters, Intel Ethernet Express >cards, and caching SCSI controllers from DPT and DTC. > >Not a problem yet, and the extra 2K+ gained means a lot with conventional >memory gobbling programs like OrCAD and Tango PCB. >-- >John Bodnar : ""While we liked developing Windows >The University of Texas at Austin : applications, we never inhaled."" >Internet: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu : >UUCP: ....!cs.utexas!ut-ccwf!jbodnar : -- Borland CEO Philippe Kahn I remember reading somewhere (QEMM manual, I think) that STACK=9,256 is needed only for the Windows SETUP program. Otherwise, use STACK=0,0. Rich " 922,8,"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++ Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 14 In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: |> |> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about |> it! |> |> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles |> according to my odometer! |> mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in massachusetts (or was it connecticut?). axel " 923,17,"From: flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March Organization: Dept. Of Control, Teknikum, Uppsala Lines: 184 <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: frej.teknikum.uu.se In-reply-to: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 12:54:19 GMT In article <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: [After a small refresh Hasan got on the track again.] In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> In article <1993Apr3.182738.17587@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> |> I get the impression Hasan realized he goofed and is now |> |> trying to drop the thread. Let him. It might save some |> |> miniscule portion of his sorry face. |> Not really. since i am a logical person who likes furthering himself |> from any ""name calling"", i started trashing any article that contains |> such abuses without responding to, and sometimes not even reading articles |> written by those who acquired such bad habits from bad company! |> |> Ah, but in my followup on the subject (which you, by the way, never bothered |> responding to..) there was no name-calling. Hence the assumption. |> Do you feel more up to it now, so that we might have an answer? |> Or, to refresh your memory, does the human right issue in the area |> apply to Palestinians only? Also, do you claim there is such a thing as |> forfeiting a human right? If that's possible, then explain to the rest of |> us how there can exist any such thing? |> |> Use your logic, and convince us! This is your golden chance! |> Jonas Flygare, well , ok. let's see what Master of Wisdom, Mr. Jonas Flygare, wrote that can be wisdomely responded to : Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the um, well, debate again. Master of Wisdom writes in <1993Mar31.101957@frej.teknikum.uu.se>: |> [hasan] |> |> [flax] |> |> |> [hasan] |> |> |> In case you didNOT know, Palestineans were there for 18 months. |> |> |> and they are coming back |> |> |> when you agree to give Palestineans their HUMAN-RIGHTS. |> |> |> Afterall, human rights areNOT negotiable. |> |> |> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the right to one's life _also_ |> |> |> a 'human right'?? Or does it only apply to palestinians? |> |> No. it is EVERYBODY's right. However, when a killer kills, then he is giving |> |> up -willingly or unwillingly - his life's right to the society. |> |> the society represented by the goverment would exercise its duty by |> |> depriving the killer off his life's right. |> So then it's all right for Israel to kill the people who kill Israelis? |> The old 'eye for an eye' thinking? Funny, I thought modern legal systems |> were made to counter exactly that. So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, ^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------ If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at least spell them correctly. /sigh. when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on the ground of occupied territories. No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals right to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. What do you expect me to tell you, Master of Wisdom, when I did explain my point in the post, that you ""responded to"". The point is that since Israel is occupying then it is automatically depriving itself from some of its rights to the Occupied Palestineans, which is exactly similar the automatic deprivation of a killer from his right of life to the society. If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? |> |> In conjugtion with the above, when a group of people occupies others |> |> territories and rule them by force, then this group would be -willingly or |> |> unwillingly- deprived from some of its rights. |> Such as the right to live? That's nice. The swedish government is a group |> of people that rule me by force. Does that give me the right to kill |> them? Do you consider yourself that you have posed a worthy question here ? Worthy or not, I was just applying your logic to a related problem. Am I to assume you admit it wouldn't hold? |> |> What kind of rights and how much would be deprived is another issue? |> |> The answer is to be found in a certain system such as International law, |> |> US law, Israeli law ,... |> And now it's very convenient to start using the legal system to prove a |> point.. Excuse me while I throw up. ok, Master of Wisdom is throwing up. You people stay away from the screen while he is doing it ! Oh did you too watch that comedy where they pipe water through the telephone? I'll let you in on a secret... It's not for real.. Take my word for it. |> |> It seems that the US law -represented by US State dept in this case- |> |> is looking to the other way around when violence occurs in occupied territories. |> |> Anyway, as for Hamas, then obviously they turned to the islamic system. |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because any system can solve it. The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your reply. Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal ^^^ ^^^ of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will make any lasting peace in the region. Ever. It's those who are willing to make a tabula rasa and start over, and willing to give in order to get something back. ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! I think that is fair enough . No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". -Rabbi Shoham. Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jonas Flygare, + Wherever you go, there you are V{ktargatan 32 F:621 + 754 22 Uppsala, Sweden + " 924,6,"Subject: items 4sale, received from a award giving company From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 23 I participated in a promotion by a company called Visual Images. I attempted to cancel my order before the package arrived. I was not able to stop them and now I have a package which I do not need. Nishika 3D camera, wide angle flesh, film, carring case, instruction tapes, and some jewelrys. 3 vacation vouchers to Bahama, Cancun, Las Vegas, Orlando. I paid $697 for the promotion package, and the vacation vouchers came as gift. I really want to sell them, so make me an offer for the whole package. If you are participating in a award, $697 is how much you would end up paying. And I strongly believe that you would get the same award as I do. If you are interested in those items, you could get them from me for a cheaper price. Let me know, and make me an offer. No flames please, I have got enough. You could reach me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu Douglas Kou Hiram College " 925,5,"From: ianhogg@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ian J. Hogg) Subject: Re: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment? Nntp-Posting-Host: milli.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr19.200740.17615@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan) writes: > >has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there >is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes >when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in >HP X/motif that perform the same function. > I've been using the xrpc package for about a year now. I believe I got it from export. -- =============================================================================== Ian Hogg ianhogg@cs.umn.edu (612) 424-6332 " 926,17,"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: Himmler's speech on the extirpation of the Jewish race Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 56 It is appropriate to add what Himmler said other ""inferior races"" and ""human animals"" in his speech at Posen and elsewhere: From the speech of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, before SS Major-Generals, Posen, October 4 1943 [""Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression"", Vol. IV, p. 559] ------------------------------------------------------------------- One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech, does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping their children and raising them with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interest me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals. But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have a more difficult time with them. When someone comes to me and says, ""I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women and children, it is inhuman, for it will kill them"", then I would have to say, ""you are a murderer of your own blood because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die, and they are the sons of German mothers. They are our own blood"". Extract from Himmler's address to party comrades, September 7 1940 [""Trials of Wa Criminals"", Vol. IV, p. 1140] ------------------------------------------------------------------ If any Pole has any sexual dealing with a German woman, and by this I mean sexual intercourse, then the man will be hanged right in front of his camp. Then the others will not do it. Besides, provisions will be made that a sufficient number of Polish women and girls will come along as well so that a necessity of this kind is out of the question. The women will be brought before the courts without mercy, and where the facts are not sufficiently proved - such borderline cases always happen - they will be sent to a concentration camp. This we must do, unless these one million Poles and those hundreds of thousands of workers of alien blood are to inflict untold damage on the German blood. Philosophizing is of no avail in this case. It would be better if we did not have them at all - we all know that - but we need them. -Danny Keren. " 927,7,"From: khalsa@spartanSanDiego.NCR.com (G.K. Khalsa) Subject: Re: Options that would be great to have... Reply-To: g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA Lines: 36 In article <93Apr16.185510.36600@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: > > > > A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing > options on a car, or things you'd like to have... > > 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of > mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge... > > 2) Full size spare > > 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors. > > 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with > the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment > and cabin. > > Feel free to add on... OK... 5) How about a fuel gauge that *really* told you how much fuel was left. Like, ""can I make it to where the gas is $1.14 or should I get gouged right here at $1.35?"" Accurate to the tenth of a gallon would be great. ............................................................... | | On Contract To: | | GK Khalsa | NCR Engineering and Manufacturing | |....................| 16550 W. Bernardo Dr. | | (619) 485-2460 | San Diego, CA 92127 | !....................!........................................! !.................g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com.................! " 928,6,"From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho) Subject: 286 Laptop Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 MITSBISHI Laptop (MP 286L) -286/12 (12,8,6 MHz switchable) -2M RAM installed -Backlit CGA (Ext. CGA, MGA) -20M 3.5""HH HDD/1.44M 3.5"" FDD -2 COM/1 LPT ports -complete manual set -Built like a tank -Excellent cosmetic cond. -dark gray -used very lightly Problems: (1)HDD stops working. (2)LCD sometimes doesn't work (ext. CAG/MGA works). Best Offer. " 929,9,"From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) Subject: Re: Braves & Giants Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 13 >> The situation with the Giants' bleachers is a case in point for the >>need for a commissioner. This is true, but the main thing the commish i.e. Selig needs to do is to suspend Bobby Cox. You *cannot* allow a team to come out at the ump as the Braves did. I usually rip umps, but in this case, the players were dead wrong. Cox should go for 5 games. If I had ever umped a game where that happened, I'd have ejected every player that came out. Only Cox and Gant would have been spared, and then Cox would have gone in the ensuing argument. --dave " 930,13,"From: pete@smtl.demon.co.uk (Pete Phillips) Subject: Nebulisers and particle Size X-Address: Bridgend, S. Wales, CF31 1JP Reply-To: pete@smtl.demon.co.uk Organization: Surgical Materials Testing Laboratory X-Fax: +44 656 667291 X-Phone: +44 656 652166 Lines: 25 Hi, we are just completing a project on nebuliser performance, and have a wealth of data on particle size and output which we are going to use to adjudicate a contract next week. Although the output data is easy for us to present, there seems to be little concensus on the optimum diameter of the nebulised droplets for straightforward inhalation therapy (eg: for asthmatics). Some say that the droplets must be smaller than 5 microns, whilst others say that if they are too small they will not be effective. Anyone up on this topic who could summarise the current status ? Cheers, Pete -- Pete Phillips, Deputy Director, Surgical Materials Testing Lab, Bridgend General Hospital, S. Wales. 0656-652166 pete@smtl.demon.co.uk -- ""The Four Horse Oppressors of the Apocalypse were Nutritional Deprivation, State of Belligerency, Widespread Transmittable Condition and Terminal Inconvenience"" - Official Politically Correct Dictionary " 931,9,"Subject: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: Phillies Summary: Phillies Lines: 9 After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I hope this season is MUCH different. " 932,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 35 Hossien Amehdi writes: >I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not >be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across >as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. >The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace >after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:. > 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently > most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or > dictators. > 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. It's not relevant whether I agree with you or not, there is some reasonable thought in what you say here an I appreciate your point. However, I would make 2 remarks: - you forgot about hate, and this is not only at government level. - It's not only 'arab' governments. Now, about taugh talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? I would rather be 'intimidated' by some dummy 'talking tough' then by a bomb ready to blow under my seat in B747. Dorin " 933,12,"From: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh) Subject: F.Y.I.: ImageWriter to Windows... Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 [ Article crossposted from comp.windows.ms ] [ Author was Kevin Routh ] [ Posted on 19 Apr 1993 12:35:55 GMT ] For your information: I hooked up my ImageWriter I to my COM1 serial port and used the C-Itoh 8510 driver in Windows 3.1. The cable I am using is a straight-thru cable connected to a Null Modem Adapter I got at Radio Shack (catalog #26-1496a) for $4.95. It seems to work fine with both DOS and Windows. I used the following command in DOS C:\DOS\mode COM1:9600,n,8,1,p and set up the port the same way in the Windows Ports setup. the Null Modem connections are as follows: 1 to 1 2 to 3 3 to 2 4 to 5 5 to 4 6+8 to 20 20 to 6+8 7 to 7 I printed from several applications and all seems OK. -- Kevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF ELD IC Engineering 17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136 Dearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244 -- Kevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF ELD IC Engineering 17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136 Dearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244 -- Kevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF ELD IC Engineering 17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136 Dearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244 " 934,9,"From: u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Phils are still looking immaculate! Lines: 18 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology Ladies and gentleman, Step one was taken on the Phils' triumphant trip this year tonight! (Yes, that was English!) Mulholland's ERA after tonight's game? 0.00...nice try Drabek! NINJA JEW " 935,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Mon, April 5, 1993 Article-I.D.: jupiter.1993Apr6.131610.17465 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 39 Hartford 1 1 3--5 NY Rangers 1 2 1--4 First period 1, Hartford, Cunneyworth 5 (Janssens, Greig) 12:21. 2, NY Rangers, Graves 34 (Turcotte, Zubov) 18:39. Second period 3, NY Rangers, Kovalev 19 (Turcotte, Graves) 2:12. 4, Hartford, Sanderson 44 (Cassels) pp, 4:54. 5, NY Rangers, Amonte 30 (Andersson, Vanbiesbrouck) pp, 19:13. Third period 6, NY Rangers, M.Messier 25 (Amonte, Andersson) 2:26. 7, Hartford, Sanderson 45 (Cassels) sh, 5:23. 8, Hartford, Nylander 6 (Ladouceur) 8:35. 9, Hartford, Verbeek 36 (Zalapski) 17:43. Hartford: 5 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Cassels 0 2 2 Cunneyworth 1 0 1 Greig 0 1 1 Janssens 0 1 1 Ladouceur 0 1 1 Nylander 1 0 1 Sanderson 2 0 2 Verbeek 1 0 1 Zalapski 0 1 1 NY Rangers: 4 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Amonte 1 1 2 Andersson 0 2 2 Graves 1 1 2 Kovalev 1 0 1 Messier M 1 0 1 Turcotte 0 2 2 Vanbiesbrouck 0 1 1 Zubov 0 1 1 " 936,0,"Subject: Re: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >In article <1pj9bs$d4j@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>I would say that one innocent person killed is in some sense >>as bad as many. We certainly feel that way when we punish >>someone for a single murder. >>Now if we reform system X, by reducing the number of deaths >>by one, we produce system XX. I'd say we should not go back >>to system X, even though by doing so we would re-introduce only >>a single extra death. > >Bob seems to think that one is as bad as many in a sense somewhat stronger than >the one you indicate. >-- Yes, I do. My argument is that the sole purpose of the death penalty is to kill people. That is it's primary (and I would argue only) purpose. To continue to kill people by a practice that has almost no utility, especially when you know you will be killing innocents, is unconscionable. At the very least, the existence of the prison system and our transportation system are based on their merits to society, not their detriments. We are willing to accept a few lost innocent lives because there is an overwhelming benefit to the continued existence of these systems. One has to stretch the evidence and the arguments to make the same claim for capital punishment. Just in case I wasn't clear again: We maintain a capital punsihment system that kills innocent people and provides us with no net positive gain. Why? Were you to pin me in a corner and ask, I would have to respond that I don't belief the state should have the right to take life at all. But I won't open that debate, as it seems others are tiring of this thread on a.a anyway. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 937,1,"From: billj@b11.b11.ingr.com (Bill Jones) Subject: Re: Need specs/info on Apple QuickTime Keywords: quicktime Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL Lines: 16 add@sciences.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray) writes: >I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the >specs, for QuickTime. Technical articles from magazines and references to >books would be nice too. >I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system. I can't >do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present >format. Apple just released the Quicktime volume of the new Inside Macintosh series. Any bookstore with reasonable technical stock should have it. Bill Jones billj@beowulf.b11.ingr.com " 938,3,"From: george!james@iowegia.dsm.ia.us Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? Organization: Organization for creative time-wasting X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.96 Lines: 21 msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) writes: > I'm thinking about getting a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM and hooking it up > through the SCSI port on a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum sound board. > Does anybody have this configuration out there? If so, does it work? > > For anybody in general who has the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, have you > had any hadware problems? Door not opening, scratched disks, door not > closing (getting stuck or not closing all the way), CD holder jamming > and any other CD related problems. I have one and it is my favorite CD-ROM drive so far. I also have a NEC-74 and have had experience with several other drives (Various Phillips drives) The 3401 is faster than the NEC, I like its door better (the NEC needs 2 hands), the XA handling (The NEC needs to be re-booted to go from XA to ROM while the 3401 does it on the fly), All in all I am seriously considering replacing my NEC with another Toshiba. JWS " 939,11,"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 41 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >Actually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their >""product"" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some ""trusted"" pair >of escrow agencies) has to have the key. > >Most of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our >cars (or can get them quickly from the VIN number), and I have no doubt >that if presented with a court order, they'd surrender copies to the >government. >Chances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks >they've installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they'd also >provide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order. Of course, nothing prevents you from buying a new lock with cash and installing it yourself. Even modifying the core to match some arbitrary key is not difficult to do at home. I once knew someone who had fixed his locks in this way - his house, office and cars all took the same key (which he took GOOD care of :-) >The state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they >have a court order. >Bad analogy. Very bad (yours, that is). Have you ever had a safety deposit box? They work on a two-key system. The bank clerk has one, and you have the other (they are different keys). The bank does NOT keep a copy of your key. If you lose it, they have to drill out the lock, and replace the door. This is a time consuming and expensive process (which they will be happy to charge to your account :-). This process is exactly analogous to having a private key which is NOT in a escrow system, and the state having to crack your cipher to get the data. Please do not use false analogies. Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org " 940,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace writes: >did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!! >lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge... >on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net >!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he >saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in! >this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs! >the game would have ended in 2-2 tie ! I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion... Gerald " 941,12,"From: stevens@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens) Subject: Re: decoupling caps - onboard Organization: Columbia University X-Posted-From: greece.madvlsi.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.173652.762@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran) writes: |> I would like to know if any one had any experience with having |> on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power |> lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design. |> any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers |> are appreciated. DEC did this on their new alpha chip. I'm sure you could call them up and ask them how they did it (haha). Actually, there are some details in their article in IEEE Journal of Solid-State Circuits. I think it was sometime around Nov. 1992. --andy s. " 942,10,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 19, 1993 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 18 In article allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: >Next, a clip was shown from an earlier episode, in which Don was >proclaiming Doug Gilmour to be the best player, not only in >the NHL, but in the world. What about players like Lemieux? >Don said that Gilmour was the best PLAYER, not ""Designated point getter"". >Its not like baseball, where you have a ""designatted hitter"" who >can score runs but can't play defense. Gilmour is a good two way player. What can you expect from a buffoon who said that the Pens should have drafted Kirk Muller instead of Mario Lemieux? Perhaps once upon a time Don Cherry had some insight into the game of hockey, but he's really degenerated into a parody of himself. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 943,2,"From: moret@masi.ibp.fr (Moret Yan - Magistere) Subject: adobe 3.0 and adobe 2.0 Nntp-Posting-Host: daphne.ibp.fr Reply-To: moret@masi.ibp.fr (Moret Yan - Magistere) Organization: Universite Paris VI/Paris VII Lines: 7 I wanted to create a postcript file with Win#.1, to print it on a laserwriter II. It created a postcript file version adobe 3.0, but our laser accept only adobe 2.0. How resolve this problem?? Thanks, " 944,18,"From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Subject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction <1993Apr5.144853.3842@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu In-reply-to: dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com's message of 05 Apr 1993 06:48:53 PST In article <1993Apr5.144853.3842@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes: ... an amazing illustration of disconnection from reality. Glad to see that you agree that the current Government is reticent about admitting the sovereignty of the people! Speaking from personal experience, I have had judges illegally assume jurisdiction even after I demanded that the DA prove such jurisdiction on the record, and the DA stood mute. I have also had an appellate court uphold such action and hide behind California Rules of Court, Rule 106 (""The judges of the appellate department shall not be required to write opinions in any cases decided by them, but may do so whenever they deem it advisable or in the public interest.""). That is reality, I agree. -- Ronald Cole E-mail: zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu Senior Software Engineer Phone: +1 916 899 2100 OPTX International ""The Bill Of Rights -- Void Where Prohibited By Law"" " 945,2,"From: srowe@fulcrum.co.uk (Simon Rowe) Subject: Re: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : ( Organization: Fulcrum Communications Lines: 13 Internal DOS commands (certainly 3.3 and before) do not set the exit code. This is a royal pain if you want to do anything which checks for successful deletions etc. The best suggestion is to use 4dos which does return you exit codes. It also has move command, Simon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Rowe, srowe@fulcrum.co.uk Fulcrum Communications Ltd, Birmingham, Condition ""BRAIN_OVERLOAD$"" raised at ENGLAND. 5412(0)/12234 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 946,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Center for Anit-Israel Propaganda Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu the 'Center for Policy Research' writes... > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS > >Hadashot, 14 March 1993: > >The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday, >March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with >gun permits to carry them at all times ""so as to contribute to >their security and that of their surroundings"". Considering all the murders of innocent Israelis at the hands of Arab death merchants, I see nothing wrong with the advice. >Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993: > >Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee, >stated that he intends to demand that the police department make >it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills >[non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial. As usual, the bias of the 'Center for Policy Research' echoes through this newsgroup. Here we have an enraged Likudnik who is venting his spleen, and you portray it as if this is going to become policy. You don't say what the response to Matza's suggestion was. Do do not mention whether he was refering to terrorists caught in the act, which could be a clear cut case of self-defence. Would you care to elaborate on this, or was this all you wanted to say on the matter. Why don't you give up this 'Center for Policy Research' crap, and just post your biases without trying to legitimize them with a pompous name? >Ha'aretz, 16 March1993: > >Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern >Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza >strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security >measures in the Strip. > >The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents >as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the >presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects. > >In addition to the gates, which will be operated by a private >civilian company, large quantities of magnetic-card reading >devices are being brought to the inspection points, to facilitate >the reading of the magnetic cards these [non-Jewish] workers must >carry. A laudable precaution. Every single thing you post about Israel is posted to portray Israel as negatively as you can. Deliberate omissions are an integral part of the shtick. And it's not only the incidents that you do not mention, but even the stories you do post are fraught with omissions, which change the entire meaning. The absurdity of your respectable name cannot hide your bias. In your effort to portray Israel in an unfavorable light, you have accomplished nothing, except to prove that a respectable sounding label like the Center for Policy Research is nothing but a smoke screen for someone with a heavily biased attitude against Israel and the need to vent it. You This 'Center for Policy Research' stuff is nonsense. " 947,7,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: MILITECH Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 34 I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to hear your comments. MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of this product really impressive, if it didn't cheat. The setup of the demo is fairly simple. A cone shaped rotor is half submerged in a small oil sink, filled with motor oil. The rotor is powered by an electronic motor. A metal pad is pressed against the rotor using the torque wrench until the rotor stopped by friction. The torque that is needed to stop rotor is read from the torque wrench. Before MILITECH was added, the rotor was stopped with about 60 lb-ft of torque (You pick the brand of oil, no difference). Once MILITECH was added to the oil, the rotor could not be stopped even with 120+ lb-ft of torque. Here is the good part: even after the salesman emptied the oil sink, you still could not stopped the rotor with the thin film remained on it. They say you need only add 2oz per quart of oil every 15k miles. A 16 oz bottle is $25. I still have my doubts. If this product is really so great, why it was so little known? The salesman said it is widely used in military. I didn't believe it. The demo was so impressive, that I bought a bottle against my common sense. Has anyone heard of or actually used this product? Is it real? If you are going to the auto show, please visit this stand on the second floor. See if can find out if the demo is a hoax or not. Jason Chen " 948,18,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu In article <1qpvj2$dfp@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>, william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu said in response to Dave Borden: > You selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice > somthing for your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? > To bad. What is immoral is: people like you and the current president > who don't have any idea why this country still exists after 200+ > years. William: If the reason that this country still stands after 200+ years is that it uses military conscription to force young men to fight for causes that they don't believe in strongly enough to volunteer for military service in support of, then perhaps the fact that the country is still standing is not good news... -- William December Starr " 949,1,"From: scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) Subject: Point within a polygon Summary: Algorithm to find if a point is bound by a polygon Keywords: point, polygon Nntp-Posting-Host: bogart Organization: Bull HN UK Lines: 7 I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing information on the subject ? Regards Simon " 950,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.141557.8864 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 77 In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter >of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on >NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: > >Canadians: 400 >Americans: 100 >Europeans: 100 > > Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top >25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick >of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the >Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and >""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, >and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other >teams is getting worse as well. > From where I come from in Canada, Borshevsky sounds more Canadian than Smith! -) Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, that is). Canada is in no imminent danger of being overtaken as the primary supplier of players...Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia are all relatively small countries, and cannot really produce players at a greater rate than they are already producing them, and the potential influx from the former Soviet Union is severely blunted because the system has been raided and is starved for finances and will take a decade or two, to recover and become a real threat, and the US will just maintain its slow increase. Canada should continue to supply 60% plus of the top hockey players in the world for the forseeable future. Besides we need the European hockey market if hockey is to take its rightful place besides soccer as the two predominant world sports...and since soccer is essentially boring, unlike hockey. > I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the >Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see >the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a >Canucks fan to begin with ;-). > > Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. > > With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly >only getting worse. > Canadians are under no threat...the European numbers will soon saturate, if they haven't already...and by the time Russia comes online again, the NHL should be a world league, and there will be many more teams to stock and many more jobs for Canadian hockey players. In the near team, the percentage of Canadians will mostly decline because of Americans, not because of Europeans. > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. > > I just don't want them on mine. > Crawl into a hole and die... Gerald " 951,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Is key escrow enough? Lines: 24 The points raised about checking what is actually -in- the chip, as opposed to what is allegedly programmed therein, raise yet another trust issue. Even if we assume that these ""trusted agents"" are really entering a wide range of S1 and S2 seeds (rather than using the same one all the time to reduce the key search space to 30 bits), I assume they are not doing so by picking up an iron filing and poking it into the circuitry at carefully selected points to encode data. They would presumably be punching numbers into a computer, which for all they know could program the chips in a manner completely independent of the S1 and S2 values they are feeding into the system. S1 and S2 are clearly the backdoor - we should assume they are all compromised. If they're not compromisable, why the hell not use a hardware true random number source. There isn't a random number source *anywhere* in this proposal. The whole thing is deterministic from the day the serial number is stamped on the chip. Nope, it can't be trusted. This is all about two levels of access - the (possibly honest) key escrow that police forces have to use, and ostensibly the FBI; and the back door that lets the NSA decode *everything* on the fly - and maybe some back-handers to the FBI when they want a warrantless tab in exchange for favours. G " 952,7,"From: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: Buick heater controls Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 1 I had the exactly same problem with my '70 Lesabre. It was also from Cal. What I did was go to the local junkyard and pick up a diaphragm from a '68 Lesabre with the same heater set up. It worked for me, but a little bit slow to change from vents to defogger. Better than nothing! " 953,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 standings Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 276 Well, I'm back from Tokyo, so here are the standings after the April 13 update. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 27 Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1536 1572.8 1.9 (1) 2. Bob Hill 1481 1538.1 24.0 (3) 3. Gilles Carmel 1492 1529.9 1.0 (2) 4. Seppo Kemppainen 1430 1514.0 47.2 (5) 5. The Awesome Oilers 1412 1504.4 68.6 (4) 6. Hillside Raiders 1456 1495.2 7.0 (7) 7. Mak ""The Knife"" Paranjape 1424 1491.7 31.0 (6) 8. Jan Stein 1412 1483.2 35.3 (8) 9. this years model 1428 1479.3 17.6 (10) 10. Rangers Of Destiny 1401 1475.9 42.0 (9) Tapio Repo 1422 1475.9 19.6 (11) 12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1398 1453.9 22.0 (12) 13. The Underachievers 1409 1452.9 10.1 (13) 14. On Thin Ice 1380 1440.9 32.3 (14) 15. Go Flames 1367 1438.1 40.3 (17) 16. littlest giants 1370 1437.7 35.6 (16) 17. Mopar Muscle Men 1400 1431.4 3.7 (18) 18. Lindros Losers 1396 1431.2 1.7 (15) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1357 1411.0 20.2 (19) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1360 1396.3 4.9 (20) 21. Boomer's Boys 1341 1371.6 0.2 (23) 22. General Accounting Office 1316 1369.4 20.9 (21) 23. Delaware Wombats 1341 1367.5 1.3 (24) 24. Migods Menschen 1307 1366.8 31.6 (22) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1280 1362.3 52.6 (25) 26. Rocky Mountain High 1325 1357.2 1.8 (26) 27. Fife Flyers 1283 1348.4 31.4 (27) 28. Gerald Olchowy 1275 1340.2 33.7 (28) 29. Dave Snell 1281 1335.7 25.0 (59) 30. Fluide Glacial 1291 1333.7 18.0 (29) 31. Gaoler 1279 1321.5 11.2 (30) 32. SmegHeads 1289 1315.8 0.3 (31) 33. The Young And The Skateless 1235 1305.6 42.9 (32) 34. Sam & His Dogs 1262 1297.3 11.6 (34) 35. Neural Netters 1251 1294.2 11.3 (35) 36. Youngbucs 1206 1288.1 101.7 (36) 37. Artic Storm 1220 1287.7 39.3 (33) 38. Soft Swedes 1205 1281.5 46.9 (37) 39. Jeff Horvath 1239 1268.6 5.6 (38) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1229 1262.5 2.8 (40) 41. Hamster from Hoboken 1223 1257.0 8.7 (41) Kuehn Crushers 1185 1257.0 45.1 (45) 43. Le Fleur de Lys 1202 1256.9 25.3 (42) 44. Yan The Man Loke 1225 1255.5 0.7 (39) 45. Legion of Hoth 1208 1251.1 15.8 (48) 46. Simmonac 1169 1249.4 87.6 (44) 47. The Finnish Force 1192 1245.1 22.5 (46) 48. ice legion 1193 1244.8 28.8 (43) 49. Streaks 1161 1242.8 54.8 (47) 50. Brian Bergman 1190 1241.0 23.3 (55) 51. Goaldingers 1190 1239.3 22.0 (49) 52. T C OverAchievers 1209 1237.0 2.9 (52) 53. Grant Marven 1196 1231.2 2.9 (50) 54. Bozrah Bruins 1155 1223.9 45.2 (54) 55. Real Bad Toe Jam 1150 1223.4 48.9 (62) 56. Houdini's Magicians 1181 1222.4 18.3 (61) 57. Skriko Wolves 1186 1221.5 5.4 (53) 58. rec.sport.hockey choices 1196 1221.1 1.3 (63) 59. buffalo soldiers 1142 1220.3 62.1 (65) 60. bemybaby 1140 1219.9 54.2 (51) 61. LIPPE 1179 1215.2 13.9 (56) 62. Randy Coulman 1185 1214.8 5.2 (57) 63. LAMP LIGHTERS 1180 1211.6 5.9 (58) 64. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1174 1206.2 3.1 (60) 65. Indianapolis Bennies 1160 1205.4 20.8 (66) 66. Tom 1160 1202.8 13.1 (68) 67. Bloom County All Stars 1164 1198.8 4.3 (67) 68. Bruins 1174 1198.5 0.1 (72) 69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1172 1198.0 0.8 (69) 70. smithw 1146 1194.5 21.0 (73) 71. Iowa Hockeyes 1149 1193.8 16.3 (64) 72. Doug Bowles 1146 1190.6 20.0 (71) 73. The Great Pumpkin 1108 1187.3 54.4 (74) 74. NON! 1145 1186.4 16.4 (77) 75. shooting seamen 1161 1183.3 0.1 (75) 76. Frank Worthless 1149 1182.7 6.3 (76) 77. AIK Exiles 1116 1179.8 34.5 (70) 78. Invisible Inc 1156 1177.4 1.1 (78) 79. Brad Gibson 1126 1176.9 27.2 (79) 80. Cougarmania 1114 1165.7 24.8 (88) 81. Kortelaisen Kovat 1086 1165.2 164.1 (85) 82. PLP Fools 1135 1163.1 0.1 (81) 83. David Wong 1082 1161.6 66.1 (84) 84. John Zupancic 1102 1160.7 27.1 (82) 85. garryola 1121 1159.4 9.7 (89) 86. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1128 1157.6 5.1 (93) 87. Staffan Axelsson 1120 1157.1 15.1 (83) 88. Chubby Checkers 1110 1156.2 16.3 (80) 89. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1109 1155.0 22.1 (90) 90. Chocolate Rockets 1121 1150.7 2.5 (86) 91. Ken DeCruyenaere 1113 1147.9 5.0 (87) 92. Fisher Dirtbags 1119 1147.4 0.7 (94) 93. KODIAKS 1122 1146.0 1.3 (95) 94. No Namers 1067 1145.8 58.2 (91) 95. The Campi Machine 1061 1145.2 65.3 (92) 96. BSC Oranienburg 1115 1142.4 7.1 (98) 97. The Kamucks 1064 1141.5 76.1 (97) 98. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1108 1138.4 3.8 (96) 99. Ellis Islanders 1096 1128.0 7.6 (100) 100. Mombasa Mosquitos 1090 1122.4 6.1 (101) 101. Zachmans Wingers 1051 1122.1 49.8 (103) 102. Edelweiss 1091 1121.0 2.9 (102) 103. Bjoern Leaguen 1039 1118.5 61.4 (112) 104. Dirty White Socks 1050 1116.5 43.4 (105) 105. Wormtown Woosbags 1039 1116.1 72.6 (104) 106. Neil Younger 1036 1115.0 77.7 (114) 107. Hurricane Andrew 1082 1114.8 7.6 (106) 108. King Suke 1089 1114.5 0.1 (110) 109. Larry 1078 1114.3 11.8 (107) 110. Het Schot Is Hard 1076 1113.6 18.1 (115) 111. VoteNoOct26 1056 1112.6 31.8 (108) 112. Bloodgamers 1046 1111.6 42.1 (99) Bruce's Rented Mules 1077 1111.6 11.9 (108) 114. Teem Kanada 1075 1110.6 16.0 (111) 115. Frank's Follies 1063 1106.5 24.2 (113) 116. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1053 1103.6 28.3 (121) 117. SPUDS 1068 1103.4 12.6 (119) 118. Pond Slime 1081 1102.3 0.7 (117) 119. PSV Dartmouth 1071 1101.4 7.1 (116) 120. Mark Sanders 1065 1099.2 11.1 (120) 121. Blue Talon 1062 1096.5 13.3 (126) 122. Stanford Ice Hawks 1043 1094.7 28.2 (118) 123. Aye Carumba!!! 1063 1089.6 3.9 (124) 124. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1021 1088.0 40.3 (125) 125. Timo Ojala 1059 1085.7 0.3 (122) 126. Haral 1057 1085.3 7.3 (128) 127. Cluster Buster 1048 1083.4 7.6 (136) 128. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1054 1082.7 1.2 (135) 129. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1037 1081.1 23.3 (127) 130. The Lost Poots 1048 1080.5 6.7 (132) 131. Nesbitt 1058 1078.6 1.1 (123) 132. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 1035 1077.8 19.6 (144) 133. garys team 1035 1076.2 17.1 (129) 134. Arctic Circles 1012 1074.1 37.6 (131) 135. Seattle PFTB 1028 1074.0 22.9 (132) 136. Late Night with David Letterman 1049 1073.7 0.0 (130) 137. Le Groupe MI 1020 1073.2 30.2 (141) 138. GO BRUINS 1046 1072.7 6.2 (140) 139. Scott Glenn 1038 1069.7 10.2 (138) 140. Flying Kiwis 1035 1068.7 9.1 (136) 141. team gold 1029 1067.4 16.7 (142) 142. Closet Boy's Boys 995 1064.6 48.0 (143) 143. Wild Hearted Sons 1036 1064.4 4.9 (153) 144. boutch 92-93 1023 1063.2 20.0 (134) 145. Andy Y F WONG 1019 1062.6 21.5 (147) Wembley LostWeekenders 1040 1062.6 0.3 (152) 147. McKees Rocks Rockers 1036 1062.4 5.1 (144) 148. Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 1032 1062.1 10.5 (163) 149. Dree Hobbs 1020 1060.2 13.4 (139) 150. GO HABS GO 1027 1058.1 8.0 (151) 151. Goddess Of Fermentation 1005 1057.8 30.2 (156) 152. Tim Rogers 1024 1056.8 8.1 (146) 153. convex stars 1026 1055.9 5.6 (160) 154. Einstein's Rock Band 1033 1055.7 0.0 (154) 155. Princeton Canucks 979 1055.5 124.2 (150) 156. Tap 1028 1055.2 0.5 (155) 157. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 1030 1053.9 0.6 (163) Buttered Waffles 981 1053.9 46.0 (148) 159. MY TEAM 977 1052.0 174.8 (162) 160. Bob's Blues 980 1050.9 46.8 (149) 161. furleys furies 1021 1046.6 3.6 (159) 162. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 982 1045.9 42.4 (157) Les Nordiques 974 1045.9 60.4 (161) 164. Satan's Choice 1012 1045.3 14.5 (173) 165. Dr Joel Fleishman 1020 1043.9 3.7 (158) 166. Sundogs 1017 1040.9 0.4 (166) 167. Pierre Mailhot 1017 1039.9 2.6 (175) 168. Slap Shot Marco 966 1037.8 51.8 (168) 169. San Jose Mahi Mahi 989 1037.6 31.8 (178) 170. The Leafs Rule!!!! 990 1037.3 25.8 (174) 171. Jeff Nimeroff 963 1036.5 48.8 (167) 172. Stimpy ADG Zeta 996 1035.2 21.0 (178) 173. The Dreamers 958 1034.6 63.7 (170) 174. East City Jokers 956 1033.7 69.1 (171) 175. Daryl Turner 1008 1033.1 2.4 (169) 176. riding the pine 988 1031.8 20.7 (165) 177. Flowers 957 1030.4 113.6 (172) 178. Darse Billings 975 1029.3 34.7 (185) 179. Chappel's Chumps 984 1027.9 24.0 (186) 180. LANA Inc 982 1027.2 27.3 (182) 181. Spinal Tap 963 1026.6 41.4 (177) 182. JimParker 949 1025.9 179.0 (187) 183. Enforcers 980 1023.9 28.1 (189) 184. Jeff Bachovchin 949 1020.7 46.7 (180) Big Bad Bruins 981 1020.7 18.5 (183) 186. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 944 1020.6 107.2 (184) 187. Bulldogs 973 1019.7 23.4 (181) 188. voyageurs 996 1017.2 2.7 (176) 189. Absolut Lehigh 984 1015.4 8.9 (190) 190. Republican Dirty Tricksters 930 1010.4 66.0 (188) 191. Henry's Bar B Q 990 1007.7 0.7 (197) 192. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 968 1007.3 17.1 (192) 193. Bunch of Misfits 957 1006.9 23.8 (193) 194. Robyns Team 955 1005.5 30.0 (198) 195. Yellow Plague 969 1003.4 14.2 (191) 196. Ninja Turtles 982 1003.0 1.3 (194) 197. Team Melville 930 999.1 46.9 (199) 198. Acadien 962 998.6 18.3 (201) 199. DARMAN'S Dragons 950 998.4 28.3 (209) 200. Kuta Papercuts 961 998.2 18.5 (207) 201. Great Expectations 972 998.0 2.3 (195) 202. Cobra's Killers 942 996.4 31.7 (205) 203. Cherry Bombers 971 995.6 1.2 (196) 204. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 943 989.9 26.9 (204) 205. Killer Apes 947 989.7 24.3 (208) 206. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 929 989.1 37.6 (202) 207. Umpire 4 life 950 987.8 11.1 (200) 208. Roger Smith 927 987.0 39.6 (210) 209. Firebirds 960 983.8 3.9 (203) 210. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 905 982.9 55.9 (211) 211. IKEA Wholesale 958 982.0 1.7 (213) 212. Outlaws 903 975.6 164.9 (206) 213. The 200 Club 944 969.4 6.8 (219) 214. Thundering Herd 887 966.7 163.6 (212) 215. Believe it or dont 926 966.6 21.1 (214) 216. Creeping Death 924 965.7 21.3 (217) 217. Knee Injuries 932 965.6 10.4 (218) 218. Crazy Euros 927 965.3 17.9 (220) 219. Frack Attack 918 965.0 27.3 (221) Todd's Turkeys 942 965.0 1.9 (222) 221. Ryan's Renegades 893 961.7 50.9 (223) 222. fred mckim 889 961.5 93.0 (215) 223. 400 Hurricane 909 960.4 32.1 (216) 224. pig vomit 936 958.3 1.3 (225) 225. Ice Strykers 882 955.4 105.4 (226) 226. Fighting Geordies 882 953.7 141.6 (227) 227. CDN Stuck in Alabama 925 951.6 10.3 (228) 228. dayton bomber 932 951.5 0.0 (236) 229. Cafall and Crew 892 948.2 38.3 (224) 230. Chris of Death 872 945.0 83.6 (232) 231. Swillbellies 902 941.9 18.7 (230) 232. Banko's Beer Rangers 913 940.4 4.2 (233) Zipper Heads 892 940.4 33.9 (237) 234. NY Flames 907 938.8 7.8 (234) 235. Ship's Way 913 938.7 8.7 (229) 236. Laubsters II 861 937.6 201.6 (235) 237. Oz 878 934.1 35.0 (231) 238. Joliet Inmates 872 933.5 45.8 (239) 239. Ninja Bunnies 858 925.9 44.9 (238) 240. Great Scott 853 924.6 73.3 (242) 241. Widefield White Wolves 861 919.7 36.9 (240) 242. The Ice Holes 890 912.7 2.7 (246) 243. SANDY'S SABRES 886 910.8 4.7 (244) 244. Daves Team 858 910.7 32.0 (241) 245. South Carolina Tiger Paws 835 909.0 78.4 (243) 246. Florida Tech Burgh Team 844 908.9 49.3 (245) 247. Leos Blue Chips 874 902.5 10.4 (247) 248. For xtc 874 900.0 8.2 (248) 249. roadrunners 861 899.7 18.5 (249) 250. Mudville Kings 851 897.8 27.6 (250) 251. New Jersey Rob 876 894.2 0.7 (253) 252. Redliners 856 893.3 15.9 (251) 253. Pat Phillips 859 887.6 10.1 (252) 254. Stewart Clamen 851 869.6 1.6 (254) 255. Demon Spawn 820 866.1 25.0 (255) 256. Sunnyvale Storm 804 818.4 0.2 (256) 257. Allez les Blues 738 809.1 476.9 (257) 258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 749 789.4 23.0 (258) 259. Petes Picks 721 788.0 168.5 (259) 260. RINACO 709 781.8 114.0 (260) 261. Brenz Revenge 691 713.3 4.0 (261) 262. Dinamo Riga 595 663.9 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 954,11,"From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 34 In article pmetzger@lehman.com writes: > >In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > > There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about > inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to > admissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from > time to time be simple fishing expeditions. > >Far more likely, these things will continue to be done no matter what >assurances we are given. ""Key Escrow"" is likely going to prove to be a >joke. I feel like Winston Churchill in 1941 :( ...... but, the privacy Clipper will, TO THE EXTENT KEY ESCROW IS LEGITIMATE, stop most of the abuse of wiretaps by local cops, company cops, angry husbands/ wives, etc... It is going to be hard for the keystone cops, the Proctor&Gamble cops, etc. to bypass even a product as flawed as the ClipJob. Now I admit, I am hard pressed to find anything else good to say about it except that, if it actually takes off, someone will certainly come up with a REAL crypto chip (pin compatable!) that we can buy... Unless, of course, Big Brother makes it illegal to have real crypto 'cause good honest law abiding citizens will be HAPPY to let the government listen to their every word.... ""Me? Did I say THAT?"" ""I am not a crook."" - President Richard M. Nixon ^^^^^^^^^ -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ (--)\ " 955,9,"From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) Subject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?) Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 11 jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: >It was my impression watching the Mets & Rockies that umpires were >calling strikes above the belt, too, but not as far up as the letters. >It would be nice if this were the case. The umps saw the weekend boxscores, too. They knew the pitchers needed some help or they would be watching the sunrise. :) Mike Timlin timlin@spot.colorado.edu " 956,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes: >Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . > 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at 200 MHz. >>680040 >>486 >As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version, making it ""comparable"" to a 486DX2-80 >Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola ""equivalents"" >although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance >is something that is highly debatable. I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any intelligent memory subsystem. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This article printed on 100% recycled electrons. " 957,4,"From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini) Subject: Mac SCSI spec? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com I have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain. I just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI question: Does the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination? Does the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR message? WHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking? These are some very good questions for the FAQ. If someone does not have time to answer these questions but does know where I can look them up please let me know and I will repost the answers for everyone to see. thanks, Tim Keanini or Sound Engineer Broderbund Software " 958,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Lavishly Funded ""Gun Epidemic"" Propaganda Campaign to Commence Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Distribution: usa Lines: 20 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote: > >: Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full >: force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their >: polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their >: ""entertainment"" media > >The entertainment media... a ""force of the anti-gun ruling class""?? >Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and >television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another >anti-gun media? > >You've got to be kidding. I'm afraid he isn't. They are a hypocritical lot. Al [standard disclaimer] " 959,2,"From: holland@ug.cs.dal.ca (Shane A Holland) Subject: Comments on Xtree for Windows ???? Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca I am looking for comments on Xtree (Pro ??) for Windows. I am thinking of buying the product but I have not even seen it yet. Thank you... Shane Holland holland@ug.cs.dal.ca -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- holland@ug.cs.dal.ca maurack@ac.dal.ca " 960,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 D. Andrew Kille writes: >Just an observation- although the bodily assumption has no basis in >the Bible, Carl Jung declared it to be one of the most important >pronouncements >of the church in recent years, in that it implied the inclusion of the >feminine into the Godhead. Which means he has absolutely no idea about what the Assumption is. However greatly we extoll Mary, it is quite obvious that she is in no way God or even part of God or equal to God. The Assumption of our Blessed Mother, meant that because of her close identification with the redemptive work of Christ, she was Assumed (note that she did not ASCEND) body and soul into Heaven, and is thus one of the few, along with Elijah, Enoch, Moses (maybe????) who are already perfected in Heaven. Obviously, the Virgin Mary is far superior in glorification to any of the previously mentioned personages. Jung should stick to Psychology rather than getting into Theology. Andy Byler " 961,13,"From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) Subject: Re: accupuncture and AIDS Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM (Alice Taylor) writes: >A friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and >wants to know if there is any danger of getting >AIDS from the needles. Ask the practitioner whether he uses the pre-sterilized disposable needles, or if he reuses needles, sterilizing them between use. In the former case there's no conceivable way to get AIDS from the needles. In the latter case it's highly unlikely (though many practitioners use the disposable variety anyway). euclid -- Euclid K. standard disclaimers apply ""It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no trace."" --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_) " 962,6,"From: David Ruggiero Subject: Bare 4mb 386/25 Micronics system - $450/$350 Organization: [none - why fight entropy?] Lines: 29 Distribution: na Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero) NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Originator: osiris@halcyon.com ""Bare"" = case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor). Everything else is yours to add as you like. The motherboard: - US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU - 64kb SRAM cache - 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $120 alone) - Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone) - Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1 - Latest version Phoenix BIOS The case/power supply: - Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors. - Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal). *New* Micronics CPUs often command a several-hundred dollar premium over clone motherboards because they are US-made, use high-quality components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.) Price: $450 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details or for any questions. Thanks! -- David Ruggiero (jdavid@halcyon.com) Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People " 963,12,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Can Radio Freq. Be Used To Measure Distance? Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 19 I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver? Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft), and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so. How about measuring vertical distance as well, any chance - or am I getting ridiculous? What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter? Sorry if I'm ""mucking up"" the network with one of those questions best answered by Bill Willis via US Mail... and I apologize for not being ""tuned-in"" to electronics. :-) R.G. Carpenter, Ph.D., P.E. (sorry... only an ME) " 964,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: > Now why is that? I doubt there is a trapdoor in Skipjack. (But we will > never know). And I doubt the NSA would promote a mass market chip they > couldn't compromise. Ergo, NSA is now capable of compromising (probably > with brute force keysearch) engines of the complexity of Skipjack. Look > at the specs. Why, I bet they have thousands of little chips chugging > away in their crypto busters... Maybe even tens of thousands. Complexity? > Not much more than a 3090. How many such machines will fit into Fort Meade? > I think PGP2.3 should have 256 bit IDEA keys... Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's 10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. IDEA uses 128-bit keys. Shall I bother doing the calculations for you? Hint: multiply 3.8 years by 2^(128-80). And you can't do IDEA at that speed; key setup takes much too long. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for Skipjack, too, though there's no way of knowing just yet. DES used only xor because that's what was feasible with mid-70's technology. Modern chips can do a lot more. NSA may or may not know how to crack Skipjack and IDEA (I doubt it for the former; I have no idea for the latter, though it does seem to be a strong cryptosystem). But it ain't gonna be by exhaustive search. " 965,8,"From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts Organization: Icom Simulations Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.163450.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes: > Michael (Manning)...Must be that blockhead of yours....the gargoyles > are the ONLY thing that work for me! ;*} > > > Michael (Menard) > > P.S. When you showin' up at Highland House? We'll compare sunglasses... Let's see how the weather is Saturday or Sunday. It sucks today. What time is good? You're welcome to give any of the ones I have a try. As for the gargoyles, if you want mine you can have 'em. I think the bridge of my nose holds them too far from my face. Same deal for the two of my friends who tried them. For people who use them with a full face helmet, all bets are off. Sorry if they fit you well and took my complaint personally. Yes the Oakleys are much more desirable squid attire. Also the gargoyles aren't that ugly, even in my opinion, or I wouldn't have tried them. -- Michael Manning mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.) `92 FLSTF FatBoy `92 Ducati 900SS " 966,0,"Subject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?! From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 22 In article , bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: > > [s.c.a quotes deleted] > > It really looks like these people have no idea at all of what it means > to be atheist. There are more Bobby Mozumder clones in the world than > I thought... Well, that explains some things; I posted on soc.religion.islam with an attached quote by Bobby to the effect that all atheists are lying evil scum, and asked if it was a commonly-held idea among muslims. I got no response. Asking about the unknown, I guess... Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ""Lastly, I come to China in the hope | ""All you touch and all you see | | of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be."" | | dropping acid on the Great Wall."" --Duke | --Pink Floyd | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 967,2,"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.{misc,setup} Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Lines: 76 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net This is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two new newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT. This is a second RFD, replacing the one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote). The proposed groups are described below: NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT. NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT, including issues such as security, networking features, console mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability. RATIONALE: Microsoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish to argue about the meaning of an ""OS""). The family ranges from Modular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to Windows NT at the high end. To date, Microsoft has shipped over 50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the actual release is slated for May/June '93. While Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares an application programming interface with the other members of the Windows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win- dows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking and security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for Windows 3.1. The user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows 3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features. It uses Program Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre- sents an identical appearance to the user. Many of the announced Windows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and NT also runs existing 3.1 applications. Thus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following groups with the other members of the Windows family: comp.os.ms-windows.apps comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 The following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as well as Windows 3.1: comp.os.ms-windows.announce comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy In conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the Windows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal structures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT. And yet operating systems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate newsgroup hierarchies. Further, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 -- when the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next- generation Windows, ""Chicago"", debuts next year, surely it should remain in the same hierarchy. And what, then, would be the jus- tification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions? DISCUSSION PERIOD: The discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993. VOTING: The CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on the feedback received during the discussion period. No votes will be accepted prior to the CFV. -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] [ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] " 968,16,"From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia Lines: 61 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Promising field experiments are being done this year in several areas of >the country relating to chemical contraceptive baits for deer. Preliminary >data suggests that this will be a cost-effective and humane method for >preventing over-population of habitats. Preliminary data regarding similar research into kangaroo overpopulation in Australia do not in any way support the cost-effectiveness of this approach. It _may_ be cost-effective for deer--if you quietly overlook the fact that the net cost to the state of deer hunting is _negative_ (i.e. a profit) because the (majority of) hunters pay for licences. The cost comparisons are probably being done assuming that people have to be employed to cull the animals, which is not in fact the case. You figure people are going to pay for licences to implant contraceptive pellets or spread baits? There has been a fair bit of discussion about this here recently, because the kangaroo population in the grounds of the Governor- General's residence has now reached plague proportions. Despite the whines of the rampant animal-libbers, the most effective method of controlling the population is still considered to be controlled shooting. >So, now why should we allow hunting ... to prevent over-population of >the deer/bear/ ? Sorry, but that 'justification' of blood- >lust is now gone with the wind. Once mass-production of this stuff >begins, animal populations can be easily managed without a shot being >fired. This leaves only the fact that some people *like* to go out >in the woods and *kill* things. Some people take satisfaction (IMHO, legitimate satisfaction) in eating food that they have harvested themselves. The pleasure derived from hunting is the same as that you get from eating fruit and vegetables grown in your own garden (and, in general, game meat is probably much freer of unpleasant chemicals than what you buy from the butcher or the supermarket). > That may be a motivation, but it >cannot now be justified. Expect PETA and like organizations to use >this argument to get hunting banned - period. By ""cannot now be justified"" I guess you mean that you personally don't see any justification. Fine--but what makes your opinion so important? >With no legitimate hunting, with the papers filled with stories of >senseless murders ... I guess there won't be a chance in hell of >building a case for the RKBA that will withstand either public >opinion, necessity or scientific scrutiny. Don't give me that >""silent majority wants guns"" crap ... they are and will be 'silent'. >No votes for RKBA, no RKBA. Certainly the last point is correct. If politicians don't see any votes for themselves in opposing stupid legislation or in developing and supporting measures which might be effective in reducing the incidence of violent crime they won't do these things. Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.edu.au) Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy " 969,8,"From: revco@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Boockholdt) Subject: Re: Lane Sharing in CA Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 11 In three years of riding in the cities of San Jose, Santa Clara, and Sunnyvale I never came into any conflict with the local police over my lane splitting habits (all three of these cities were listed earlier as being anti-splitting in one way or another). I can't say whether this was due to luck, police kindness, or there not actually being any ordinances against it in these cities, so I continue..... RevCo " 970,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 143 In article <7862@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: > >>I meant that one should not let the exception make the rule. > >It's not an exception. Good players come up young; most players who come >up young will be good. This has always been the rule. Are most players who come up young always good when they're young, or later? >Worse: it's not a ""shift"". This is the way it has *always* been. Several >detailed studies of this have been done, and they've all shown that players >aren't coming up any younger or older than in the past, and they aren't >playing any more or less in the minors than they used to. The only thing >that shifts is our memories of the ""good old days"" :-). Damn. I was afraid you would say that! > >But all after the fact, which makes it *not* applicable to the current >discussion, which is about how you decide whether to play the rookie who >hasn't ""established himself"" in the majors over the mediocre veteran. The >Padres played Santiago that year because they clearly had nobody else worth >playing. Well, perhaps if the Braves had no one else worth playing this year it would be Lopez in there. But they do have others worth playing, at least in *their* opinion. And I happen to agree. > >>>>Both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers, >>>>expected to be among the best ever in baseball. > >Not by rec.sport.baseball consensus. That may sound like an incredibly >arrogant comment, but I've found that the SDCN consensus (when one exists) >is right far more often than the media consensus or the opinions of ""baseball >people"" affiliated with MLB. I can believe that. I'm a newbie here, so I'll take your word. But Alomar *is* a fine defensive catcher, which was my statement above. That is a solid reason for bringing him up at a tender age, as long as they feel he can also hit a bit. Lopez does not have such a consensus about his defensive prowess, and imho that is enough to give him that dreaded ""seasoning"". > >>I don't know ""who knows"". I suppose the same people (or similar) who >>""know"" he will be better than some other catcher. These are, of >>course, just differing opinions. I read that his arm is not that >>strong (I suppose somewhere there is some measurement of SB ratios) >>and that he is still learning to call a game. That latter skill may >>be difficult to project on someone without an intimate knowledge of >>his performance, but it is a tangible skill. > >I disagree, in that I don't think it *is* a _tangible_ skill, any more than >leadership is. I don't deny that it is a *real* skill, and that some catchers >may be much better than others at it, but I really don't see any way that we >could ever know who they are. Nichols's Law of Catcher Defense is eerily >accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very >seriously. Sorry. New. Don't know Nichols' Law. Don't believe in catchers' era. But I am interested in pitchers' eras with different catchers. Any info on that? > > >Absolutely. The evidence is piling up, year after year. The only other >alternative is that the Braves really don't *know* that their young players >are, on average, better than their current starters. I'm not ruling out that >kind of gross incompetence, but I think the salary-schedule explanation is >more charitable. In other words, we know more than they do, so the only logic behind a different decision than we would make must be financial. I presume we feel this way about other franchises than Atlanta, no? > >Consider: we *know* that the Braves are about the strongest team in baseball >right now, even with Olson and Lemke and Nixon and Bream in the lineup. They >have as good a chance of repeating as champs this year as any team ever has. >It actually makes some sense to say ""rather than making our team marginally >better this year by bringing up the young studs and dumping the elderly, let's >go ahead and compete this year with what we have, and then bring up the studs >only as we *have* to, so that we'll still have them under reserve three years >from now and beyond when the current team will be collecting pensions."" > >Is it fair to the young players? No. Does it make organizational sense? >I think it does. Well if it does make organizational sense, one can hardly fault them for their decisions. I mean, please don't tell me how to run my business. Especially when I'm being successful. > > C: I could make it 107 or 108 wins if you let me bring up Lopez. > >>S: Listen, Bobby. I'd like to. But the way I see it, if he hits >> the big club this year we'll be paying mega-arbitration bucks >> down the road in a couple of years and there's no way I want >> to do that. > >...and continues with > > We can win without him, and then _keep_ winning next year with him. > How's that? I'm sure you could be right. You could also be smoking some illegal substance. (Hey. That's a joke. Don't get offended. Please.) > >Hey, I'd love to be wrong about this. If you think it's unlikely, I'd love >to know why. Don't cite anybody's innate ethical rectitude, though, unless >you know them personally. > > Well, I can't cite anyone's ethical rectitude because I don't know what it means. :) But again, if it makes organizational sense, then so be it. Baseball is a business, and if there is a solid business reason for keeping Lopez on the farm then that's what the Braves *should* do. I happen to believe that it's a baseball decision. While you from your armchair may disagee, I don't. I think there is a lot of evidence to suggest the decision they made. I predicted it among large guffaws from several at the start of spring training. I think it is a very *normal* decision to have made. It is certainly more reversible than to have started Lopez in the bigs and have released one of their catchers. Sure, it may be conservative. It may also be logical. I don't know what ethics have to do with it. Seems like pretty good common sense to me. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 971,12,"From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: Looking for 900MHz Spread Spectrum Modules Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 12 butts@shocker.ee.twsu.edu (Ronald W. Butts, Jr.) writes: >I am looking for suppliers of 900MHz spread spectrum radio modules. I need >to implement a two-way audio band link (essentially the guts of a cordless >900MHz phone is what I want.) This isn't exactly audio, but take a look in ""RF Design"" magazine, April 93, for the article ""A Robust Signaling Technique for Part 15 RF Control Netowrk Applications."" Page 29. Sources of parts are mentioned; in the same issue is an article that features a chipset for the Digital European Cordless Telecommunications standard. " 972,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 19 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr16.151729.8610@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: >: Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? >Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Are you volunteering? :) > But a >hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit >to the next available landing site. Will NASA have ""available landing sites"" in the Russian Republic, now that they are Our Friends and Comrades? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 973,4,"From: phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) Subject: Duo Dock problems Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: ama.csc.liv.ac.uk Has anyone had any problems with their Duo Dock not ejecting the Duo properly? When I first got it, the Duo would come out of the Dock a couple of inches when ejected, and I had to pull it the rest of the way. Nowadays (and I've had the system for 4 months), the Duo doesn't come out *at* *all* - despite the fact that the mechanism makes all the appropriate noises, and I have to grab hold of it and pull it out myself. Is there a simple fix for this, or do I have to return it to my Apple Dealer, where it will languish for weeks while I have to make do with no colour display, no VRAM, no floppy or SCSI etc. (BTW, it's not that the Duo is locked into the Dock - it just doesn't want to slide out any more). -- Phil Jimmieson, *********************************************** Computer Science Dept., * JANET : phil@uk.ac.liv.csc * Liverpool University, * INTERNET : phil@csc.liv.ac.uk * PO Box 147 *********************************************** Liverpool L69 3BX ""I was head over heels in love until I got cramp"" (UK) 051-794-3689 " 974,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr19.145238.9561@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: >anything if he hadn't emptied his gun into the asshole. Texas--it's >whole other country. That reminds me of one of Texas's ads...you hear a guy speaking in French (like it's a letter home), then the French moves to the background, and a French-accented voice come to the foreground, talking about how he went walking on the beach, and it felt so much like home that he decided to take his shoes off...and the rest of his clothes. It ended with ""please send bail."" :-) >On an rec.autos note, does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in >their car (which is bad idea, isn't it?) if you work in a bad part of >town (or regularly go through one)? Is this a loaded question? :^) I normally have an unloaded Colt Delta in my glove box with a loaded magazine handy (which is perfectly legal in Oklahoma). For those times that I'm travelling inter-state, I keep an unloaded S&W .44 Magnum revolver in the glove box, with a speed-loader in my pocket (which is legal everywhere, under Federal law, Illinois State Police be hanged). As I've said before, this is stricly for defense; my insurance will pay to replace my car, but I only have one life... James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 975,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 15 Alan Sepinwall writes > [Bullpen Blues deleted] > > What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen? > > -Alan George will do the only logical thing he can do when the Yanks' bullpen isn't performing -- fire the manager. -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 976,4,"From: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD) Subject: Duo parking HD heads when iddle Nntp-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu Lines: 8 The Duo Powerbooks seem to park the heads after a few seconds of inactivity... is that builtin into the drive logic or is it being programmed via software, any way to tune the iddle timeout that makes the heads park themselves... I think the heads are being parked since after a few seconds of inactivity you can hear the clunk of heads parking. -- Denis " 977,12,"From: rdell@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.b.dell) Subject: Re: Fujitsu 8"" HDD Keywords: M2321K, M2322K, Fujitsu, Microdisk (-: Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr17.204351.2256@aber.ac.uk> cjp1@aber.ac.uk (Christopher John Powell) writes: [deletions] >It appears to use two balanced-line connections, but what each connection >corresponds to I know not. One connection is a 30-way IDC, the other a >60-way IDC. Sounds like it is an SMD interface to me, not being at work now to actually count pins. there are two varients, SMD and SMDC (I think), only minor differences between them. Widely used prior to the advent of SCSI for large drives (or all drives) on minis (and mainframes(?) no experience on those). Richard Dell " 978,14,"From: HoffmanE@space1.spacenet.jhuapl.edu (Hoffman, Eric J.) Subject: Re: Drag free satellites Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu In article <1raee7$b8s@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >> In answer >>to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed >>drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only >>a concept."" > >SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? TRIAD, the first drag-free satellite, was designed and built by the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and launched 2 Sept 1972. The satellite was in three sections separated by two booms. The central section housed the DISCOS Disturbance Compensation System, which consisted of a proof mass of special non-magnetic alloy housed within a spherical cavity. The proof mass flew a true gravitational orbit, free from drag and radiation pressure. Teflon microthrusters kept the body of the satellite centered around the proof mass, thereby flying the entire satellite drag free. TRIAD was one of the APL-designed Navy Navigation Satellites. The 2nd-generation operational navigation satellites flying today (NOVA) use a single-axis version of DISCOS. TRIAD was also the sixth APL satellite to be powered by an RTG (APL flew the first nuclear power supply in space, in 1961). Further info on TRIAD, DISCOS, etc. can be found in ""Spacecraft Design Innovations in the APL Space Department,"" Johns Hopkins APL Technical Digest, Vol. 13, No. 1 (1992). --Eric Hoffman " 979,18,"From: gardinal@alishaw (Paolo Gardinali) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Lines: 48 In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: > Male sex survey: Gay activity low > A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough > examination of American men's sexual practices published since > the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 > percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and > 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. etc. etc..... >The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. ^^^^^^ ***Sure!!! And what's .3 of a woman??? Any hypothesis?? How can you trust a report from people that have *no idea* of what a MEDIAN is? The same bullshit article reported that 22,5% of all the men have sex 10 times or more a week (Elf, how many times did you fill one of those questionnaires?) and had other statistics that took in no consideration different class backgrounds, marital status etc. No information on sampling were given. >Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for Do you think you can compare so lightly secondary data from 2 very different (and discutible) surveys??? >straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. It just shows how dramatically ignorant are press release writers and most pople that read them..... PAolo " 980,8,"From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) Subject: Re: Recommended bike for a tall beginner. Organization: Mindcraft, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 13 In article <47116@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jtozer@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Tozer) writes: > I am looking for advice on what bikes I should check out. I >am 6'4"" tall, and find my legs/hips uncomfortably bent on most of >the bikes I have ridden (not many admittedly). Are there any bikes >out there built for a taller rider? There's plenty of legroom on the Kawasaki KLR650. A bit short in the braking department for spirited street riding, but enough for dirt and for less-agressive street stuff. -- Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com (415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu " 981,1,"From: stefan@lis.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Stefan Eckart) Subject: dmpeg10.zip info: Another DOS MPEG decoder/player posted Keywords: MPEG, DOS Reply-To: stefan@lis.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 74 I have posted a DOS MPEG decoder/player to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities. Here is a short description and some technical information, taken from the accompanying documentation: DMPEG V1.0 Public Domain MPEG decoder by Stefan Eckart 0. Features =========== DMPEG/DMPLAY is another MPEG decoder/player for the PC: - decodes (nearly) the full MPEG video standard (I,P,B frames, frame size up to at least 352x240 supported) - saves decoded sequence in 8 or 24bit raw file for later display - optional on-screen display during decoding (requires VGA) - several dithering options: ordered dither, Floyd-Steinberg, grayscale - color-space selection - runs under DOS, 640KB RAM, no MS-Windows required - very compact (small code / small data models, 16 bit arithmetic) - real time display of the raw file by a separate player for VGA and many Super-VGAs ... 4. Technical information ======================== The player is a rather straightforward implementation of the MPEG spec [1]. The IDCT is based on the Chen-Wang 13 multiplication algorithm [2] (not quite the optimum, I know). Blocks with not more than eight non-zero coefficients use a non-separated direct multiply-accumulate 2D-IDCT (sounds great, doesn't it?), which turned out to be faster than a 'fast' algorithm in this (quite common) case. Dithering is pretty standard. Main difference to the Berkeley decoder (except for the fewer number of supported algorithms) is the use of 256 instead of 128 colors, the (default) option to use a restricted color-space and the implementation of a color saturation dominant ordered dither. This leads to a significantly superior quality of the dithered image (I claim, judge yourself). Restricted color-space means that the U and V components are clipped to +/-0.25 (instead of +/-0.5) and the display color-space points are distributed over this restricted space. Since the distance between color-space points is thus reduced by a factor of two, the color resolution is doubled at the expense of not being able to represent fully saturated colors. Saturation dominant ordered dither is a method by which a color, lying somewhere between the points of the display color space, is approximated by primarily alternating between two points of constant hue instead of constant saturation. This yields subjectivly better quality due to the lower sensitivity of the human viewing system to saturation changes than to hue changes (the same reasoning as used by the PAL TV standard to improve on NTSC). The improvement is particularly visible in dark brown or redish areas. ... -- Stefan Eckart, stefan@lis.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de " 982,6,"From: leopold@jekyll.ucsf.edu (John Olson) Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? Distribution: usa Organization: University of California, San Francisco, Dept of Lab Med Lines: 6 not only is it improper etiquette AND illegal but the people who are responsible for junk mailings are *EVIL*!!!! ahhh...ive always wanted to get that off my chest. " 983,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 34 In article <20773.3049.uupcb@factory.com> jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) writes: >Headaches that seriously interfere with activities of daily living >affect about 15% of the population. Doesn't that sound like >something a ""primary care"" physician should know something about? I >tend to agree with HMO administrators - family physicians should >learn the basics of headache management. > Absolutely. Unfortunately, most of them have had 3 weeks of neurology in medical school and 1 month (maybe) in their residency. Most of that is done in the hospital where migraines rarely are seen. Where are they supposed to learn? Those who are diligent and read do learn, but most don't, unfortunately. >Sometimes I wonder what tension-type headaches have to do with >neurology anyway. We are the only ones, sometimes, who have enough interest in headaches to spend the time to get enough history to diagnose them. Too often, the primary care physician hears ""headache"" and loses interest in anything but giving the patient analgesics and getting them out of the office so they can get on to something more interesting. >(I am excepting migraine, which is arguably neurologic). Headaches I hope you meant ""inarguably"". -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 984,17,"From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) Subject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 12 tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: : : While you brought up the separate question of Israel's unjustified : policies and practices, I am still unclear about your reaction to : the practices and polocies reflected in the article above. : : Tim Not a separate question Mr. Clock. It is deceiving to judge the resistance movement out of the context of the occupation. Alaa Zeineldine " 985,11,"From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert) Subject: Re: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de In article pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: >Hmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial >number N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2 >is an intentional way of assuring a ""fail safe"" for the government -- >U is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. [...] >If S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if >they can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key/serial number >pairs. [...] Maybe 300 such pairs suffice to reconstruct S1 and S2? By such a back- door (in the encryption algorithm perhaps) it would be possible (for the manufacturer) to get the keys of all chips that were programmed in one session. This would not, btw, enable anybody else to retrieve the keys in the same way because they'll never get a bunch of 300 (N,U) pairs with identical S1 and S2. (Note that these have to be constant for the whole batch by the very nature of the procedure, i.e., they have to be typed in manually by the `random number supplying agents'!) And I was wondering why they'll always do 300 chips in one session ... Since the procedure described by Ms Denning imposes high costs on the production of every chip (at least three persons for one hour each, plus the cost of a laptop finally blown to pieces in a spectacular, Hollywood-like bonfire; add travelling expenses, drinks and lighting, divide the sum by 300) there won't be a larger demand -- not from the private sector anyway. And let me mention one other thought that certainly has occurred to all the notoriously paranoid people in this group before: Who is going to verify that _no_ interested party will perform tempest attacks on the vault?? Where there's so much smoke and mirrors -- there can't be a nice, honest fire but something really worth hiding ... -- Detlef Lannert DC3EK E-Mail: tsos@rz.uni-duesseldorf.de PGP 2.2 key via server or finger lannert@clio.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de ""I am Psmith."" - ""Oh, you're Smith, are you?"" - ""With a preliminary P. Which, however, is not sounded."" P.G.Wodehouse " 986,2,"From: avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) Subject: TrueType fonts that display but do not print. Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Distribution: na Lines: 18 I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1 but though all the applications display the font correctly on the screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly (on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer). When I use the font in CorelDRAW, the document prints correctly, so I assume CorelDRAW knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer. But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does display the font correctly on the screen. I looked through all the Windows and LaserJet manuals, but got nowhere. All of them just make the statement that TrueType fonts will print exactly as you see them on the screen---so I assume Windows knows that a font has to be downloaded automatically---but, how to make it do that???? Appreciate any help.... " 987,13,"From: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ Lines: 14 In article <19671@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: >> >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an >>overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most >>people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the >>other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? > >There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the >same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however. I recall reading/seeing that former baseball star Chris Chambliss' hitting abilities were (in part) attributed to a combination of left-handedness & right-eye dominance. " 988,1,"From: millernw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Neal Miller) Subject: Re: Trying to view POV files..... Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 31 merkelbd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian Merkel) writes: >In article <1993Apr11.132604.13400@ornl.gov> ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) writes: >> >>I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY. I have the Diamond >>SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_). So far I can convert them to >>jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color. >> >>I'm looking for some way to convert and/or view them in 24 bit. >> >>I have UNIVESA (uvesa31.zip) and the DVPEG viewer but I don't get anything. >>Perhaps I am not setting up UNIVESA properly? If anyone has ideas about this >>please feel free to enlighten me... >> >>Just want to see the darn things in real color... >Image Alchemy (aka alchemy) will view the TGA files that POV outputs > and just about any other format you can think of. It will also convert > between all these. It's shareware, so it's probably available by FTP > somwhere out there in netland... Yep... Alchemy works fine on my Tseng400+DAC, but I think I remember reading that it only displays in 15-bit or so. Of course, that's still 32K colors which is nothing to sneeze at. Use the --v flag. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neal Miller | ""Why not go mad?"" | millernw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu Clarkson University | - Ford Prefect | dark@craft.camp.clarkson.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 989,10,"From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) Subject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...] Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Keywords: NHL, awards Lines: 67 In article <1993Apr15.190132.29787@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes: > So in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out > the Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on, > Joe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant. > Why they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams > is better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two > goaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good > teams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context > of comparing two goaltenders. Let's start over. I'm not arguing about who is the better goaltender. I'd take Soderstrom right now. What I am saying is that Roussel can be a #1 netminder. The GAA difference is less than half a goal per game (less than that after last night), their save percentages are close, and their records are similar. And with that, I just don't see how you can label Roussel as the most disappointing player on the Flyers this season. You say Soderstrom played against better competition. That may very well be, but there is no way of knowing how Roussel would have performed in those games. Besides, against the better scoring teams like Pittsburgh, the defense is more keyed up than they are against San Jose. > The same > for Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a > great play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If > you were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by. But I'm not just judging Roussel on that game alone. I've seen him play for the past two seasons in Philly and before that in Hershey. It's just my opinion, but I think he's got what it takes. Of course, I thought that about Mark LaForest, too. But I never did about Wendell Young. So I'm batting .500 in judging Hershey talent since the Hextall-era. As for the Rangers game, you can say he was saved by a mistake by the offensive player if you like. But Rou had his leg in position to make the save. If he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if the Rangers player didn't get the puck up or not. It would have been a goal. On a breakaway that's what the goalie wants to do, take away as much as possible and force the shooter to beat him. > But if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie > stand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel > doesn't have a game like that in him. I seem to remember Roussel doing an excellent job against Pittsurgh on opening night to give the Flyers a tie against the two-time defending champs. And not to take anything away from Soderstrom because he was senational in that game agains the Habs. But you can't tell me that a Montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game and just flat out missed it. Mistakes, both on offense and defense are part of the game. Or there'd never be shutouts. Anyway, I'm happy the Flyers have both Soderstrom and Roussel and I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Besides, with the current 7-game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year, I don't want to piss you off to the point that you don't sell me any tickets next season:-). \ \ Joe Dakes \/\ AT&T Microelectronics \/\ 555 Union Boulevard \ \ Allentown, PA 18103 LET'S GO FLYERS! alux1!jmd \ \ jmd@aluxpo.att.com \ \__________ \____/_//__/ " 990,8,"From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short? Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 3 I'm not sure on the older bikes, but the Yamaha Virago 535 has spec'd seat height of 27.6 in. and the Honda Shadow 27.2 in. " 991,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 16 In article <1r1lp1INN752@mojo.eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes: >>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? >CS ""tear-gas"" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that >your stomach comes out thru your throat. Well, not quite that bad, but >you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. I think the is BZ gas, not CS or CN. BZ gas exposure results in projectile vomiting, loss of essentially all muscle control, inability to concentrate or think rationally and fatal reactions in a significant fraction of the population. For that reason its use is limited to military applications. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 992,19,"From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Nntp-Posting-Host: c.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr21.093914.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes: >In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes: >> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >>>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, >> >> I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his >> sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. > >I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths? > >> Koresh was a nut, okay? > >Again, I'd like to see some evidence. Nut or not, he was clearly a liar. He said he would surrender after local radio stations broadcast his message, but he didn't. Then he said he would surrender after Passover, but he didn't. None of which excuses the gross incompetence and disregard for the safety of the children displayed by the feds. As someone else pointed out, if it had been Chelsea Clinton in there you would probably have seen more restraint. ---peter " 993,6,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 33 >andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >> >In article jdoll@shell.portal.com (Joe Doll) wr >> >> ""The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien- >> >> tists"" lists hardware cards and application software packages for >> >> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien- >> >> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, >> >> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. >> > >> >> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) >> >> mailing address. >> >> Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a >> mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication. >> >> -andy sent his address months ago > >Perhaps we can get Portal to nuke this weasal. I never received a >catalog either. If that person doesn't respond to a growing flame, then >we can assume that we'yall look forward to lotsa junk mail. I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said ""nope"" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results. Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who aren't happy with the junk they got instead. The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and so would the people reading it. -andy -- " 994,9,"From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: Wohlers to minors Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <91387@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes: >In <1993Apr2.224251.21212@rigel.econ.uga.edu> shannonr@moe.coe.uga.edu (Shannon Reeves Cntr. for Ed. Tech) writes: >At times it ""seems"" as if no others in the bullpen are used by Cox for middle >relief. Marvin only pitched 7 innings this spring. He is supposed to be >over his surgery, and I am wondering if Cox is still trying to decide who to >use as middle relief and thinks that Marvin might be his better choice >early in the season. I would immediately give McMchael many chances to >pitch after spring and then use Bedrock and Freeman after that. I am wondering >how he intends to use Howell. (Whatever happened to Senior Smoke?) ------------- Do you mean Juan Berenguer? He was traded for Mark Davis in the middle of last season. Exchanged one stiff for another, as Berenguer hadn't come back from his injury in 91. I think he's retired now. Anyhow, as middle relief, Marvin ain't that bad. He at least can pitch a couple of innings or do mop-up work. I don't know much about McMichael (was he the Mexican League guy?), but everybody else in the pen is a 1 inning man, except maybe Mercker. ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- " 995,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Using California's Antidiscrimination: The Sort Of Case I Predicted Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 30 In article , sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > In article <15312@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >In article <1993Apr08.092954.13507@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: # ## Face it, Clayton, he was not found guilty, and so what if gays sometimes # ## make it consensually with 16 year old boys. There ARE 16 year old gays, you # ## know. And as I recall, the case of the state rested on the testimony of one # ## ""victim"" who declined to testify, even under threat. I have had teens since # ## I was 40, and so have a lot of people. Face it Clayton, you're just a jerk! # ## -RSW # ## -- # ## * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * # ## * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * # ## * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * # # # #I am always amazed to see people admit to breaking the law -- and # #putting their address in the signature. Please tell us more about # #this. Were they 13? 14? Would you like to make a statement for # #the district attorney? # # I had sex with a 13 year old boy, it was great, we did *everything*, # well, a hell of a lot. It was fun anyway. Oh, and before you turn # purple with rage I was 12 at the time. # #-- # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! The Walz monster above, however, was past 40 when he molested these kids, as he says above. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 996,2,"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) Subject: Re: W4WG & Novell Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr27.102626.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ) writes: > In article <1rh2mi$ea4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J > Bilan) writes: > >> If I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access >> drive f: to log in to Novell. >> If I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG >> drives from the file-manager. >> >> It seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE = >> statement in my Config.Sys. > > First off, I haven't used W4WG (but I think that's about to change!). > > The problem is the LASTDRIVE command and the way NetWare in general (and > in this case NETX in particular) adds drives to the device chain. > Setting LASTDRIVE=Z means there are no ""unassigned"" (as opposed to > ""unused"") drive letters for NetWare to use, as it tacks its drive > mappings -onto the end- of the existing list of drives. W4WG obviously > attaches its network drives to ""existing, unused"" drive letters. > > I'd guess the next thing I'd try is something like LASTDRIVE=M, which on > most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for W4WG and still > allow up to 13 NetWare drive mappings as well. W4WG requires DOS drives. I use LASTDRIVE=J which makes my first Novell drive K and leaves me drives G, H, I and J for W4WG. My local DOS drives use A-F. Ron " 997,7,"From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: CAR INSURANCE !!! HELP Article-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.193221.27234 Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 32 In article ochaine@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ollie 'North' Chaine) writes: > >HELP! my car insurance has been cancelled for the second time in a row! >I still haven't gotten in touch with my agent from AAA because ""she's >out for the week"" but my mom said that I got a call saying that my insurance >was going to be cancelled because of an accident ( not even a fender-bender) >that was never declared or anything. Besides the fact that i have no idea how they found out about this, the only >other thing that could bug them is that I have 1 ticket but I told them >about it and they said that it wasn't a problem. >If I go to another insurance, I know I will end up paying more (b/c I already >shopped around for this one) and I can't afford to pay for the insurance >especially since I still haven't gotten the $3000 the two insuance companies >are supposed to refund me. I just got a new Saturn SL2 and can't afford the >car payments and the insurance, but I bought the car having gotten a QUOTE >from State Farm which they later went back on. >PLEASE HELP ME! what legal rights do I have? Can I make State Farm who originally >gave me the quote give me that rate (they made a mistake after I signed all >the papers, I did not give any false evidence)? How can I get my money back >for the car if I can't pay for the insurance? I'm deperate!!! > Ollie I just went through this mess in New Jersey (I'm still waiting for a refund as well), namely, that the original company made a mistake and left me in the lurch. My recourse was through NJ's insurance dept. Office of Consumer Protection. You should have a similar office in your state. Make use of it. Good luck, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 998,8,"From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) Subject: Re: Bikes, Contacts Lenses & Radial Keratotomy Organization: Icom Simulations Lines: 22 In article (jcn@rice.edu) writes: > > I was going to try radial keratotomy, but they want over $2,000 per > > eye! > > That's a lot of contact lenses and sunglasses! > > > > And a lot of money if they make one tiny mistake ;-O > > Jeff Nichols Also if they don't get it exactly right or your eyes change again, contacts to correct for it are out of the question. This is due to the strange conical shape your cornea takes after the surgery. -- Michael Manning mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.) `92 FLSTF FatBoy `92 Ducati 900SS " 999,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 24 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1r46ofINNdku@gap.caltech.edu> palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes: >>>orbiting billboard... >> >>I would just like to point out that it is much easier to place an >>object at orbital altitude than it is to place it with orbital >>velocity. For a target 300 km above the surface of Earth, >>you need a delta-v of 2.5 km/s. >Unfortunately, if you launch this from the US (or are a US citizen), >you will need a launch permit from the Office of Commercial Space >Transportation, and I think it may be difficult to get a permit for >an antisatellite weapon... :-) Well Henry, we are often reminded how CANADA is not a part of the United States (yet). You could have quite a commercial A-SAT, er sky-cleaning service going in a few years. ""Toronto SkySweepers: Clear skies in 48 hours, or your money back."" Discount rates available for astro-researchers. Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 1000,19,"Nntp-Posting-Host: dougn.byu.edu Lines: 24 From: $stephan@sasb.byu.edu (Stephan Fassmann) Subject: Re: [lds] Are the Mormons the True Church? Organization: BYU In article psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: >From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) >Subject: [lds] Are the Mormons the True Church? >Date: 20 Apr 93 06:29:00 GMT > > IS THE MORMON CHURCH CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH? > [...lots of stuff about intellectual errors deleted...] This is cute, but I see no statement telling me why your church is the true church. I do presume that you know or at least believe that yours is true. Attempting to ream my faith without replacing it with something ""better"" is a real good way to loose a person completely from Christ. This is the greatest reason I see that these attacks are not motivated by love. They only seek to destroy there is no building or replacing of belief. This is not something Christ did. He guided and instructed He didn't seek to destroy the faith He found, He redirected it. This is what I see when people say they ""love"" . And I have to laugh at the irony. Please excuse the scarcasm but it was nice to say it. Oh, BTW Robert don't take this personally, your post was merely convinent. " 1001,6,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Nintendo system + power pad + light gun + games = $80 Lines: 8 Nintendo 8 bit system, power pad, light gun (zapper), 2 controllers Games: Supermario, duck hunt, power field, and wings. Asking $80. Please reply to hv0@psuvm.psu.edu " 1002,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Bill Conner: Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 6 Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what. Bill " 1003,4,"From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi) Subject: Re: HONGKONG Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI Lines: 25 ku> From: kinau@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Kin Hung Au) Date: 13 Apr 93 ku> 07:22:05 GMT Organization: California State University, Fresno ku> Message-ID: Newsgroups: ku> comp.sys.mac.hardware ku> ku> In Hong Kong , you can buy a cheap PC 386 or 486 based computer. ku> However, it is very experience to buy a Macintosh. Last winter, I was ku> back to Hong Kong. I saw the price of Mac Classic in Hong kong is same ku> price to buy a LC in the U.S. ku> ku> I am not recommended to buy MAc in Hong Kong since Mac is not popular ku> in HK. ku> ku> Kin Hung Au Hello Mr. Au, I have to disagree regarding your assessment of Macintosh in Hong Kong. The Mac has a sizeable share of the typesetting market, as in the U.S. A local magazine, Next Magazine (similar to Newsweek here), uses the Mac extensively. I have seen Sir Speedy and other franchises in Hong Kong equipped with Mac-based systems. True, the discount is not as steep as here because customers in Hong Kong cannot buy from gray market, nor are Mac being sold thru mass merchandisers like Apple does here with the Performa lin e. At this point the sale of Mac is handled by one exclusive distributor. On the other hand, you can always get a PC clone or in the earlier days, illegal clones of the Apple IIe. Your perception of the Mac not being too popular in Hong Kong is simply because most hobbyists and users find it much cheaper to go to one of those basement stores that sell PC clones with probably illegal copies of BIOS than to pay for a Mac. Similarly you cannot say Lotus 1-2-3 surely is not well accepted in Hong Kong because the sale is so low. May be it is because of all those places in Kowloon where illegal copies of Lotus 1-2-3 can be bought for $20 and $10 for a professional looking but illegal copies of the manuals. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org " 1004,6,"From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) Subject: Items For Sale Organization: IQ Software Corp. Lines: 24 ITEMS FOR SALE - PRICE LISTED OR BEST OFFER!!!!!!! KFC SVGA Monitor 1024X768 .28DP Non-interlaced 14"" Screen, still under warranty! (Brand New) $ 290.00 1200 Baud Compuadd Modem Box/docs/software $ 20.00 CGA Monitor with Cga/Parallel Card $ 30.00 SCO UNIX V3.2.2 Unlimited User OS, has the base and extended Utilities, and UUCP $ 150.00 Turbo C/Turbo C++ The complete reference book. $ 15.00 Serial I/O Card 1 serial Port $ 10.00 Joystick, three button $ 10.00 IDE Controller with 2 Serial, 1 parallel and one Game port 2 available. $ 10.00Each (210)545-4741, ask for Ralf " 1005,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 22 seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: > In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the resurrection is > ""Pa^ques""--this is etymologically related to Pesach (Passover) and the > pascal lamb. So is the French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration > better because it uses the right name? I was at my parents' Seder and noticed the labelling on one of the packages was English, Hebrew and French. In the phrase ""kosher for passover"" the French word used was ""Pa^ques."" We've deliberately mistranslated this at the Kulikauskas home and keep referring to foods being kosher for Easter. :-) Back to the original questions in this thread concerning Christians of Jewish descent and the Law: I always wonder when I see posts on this subject whether the writers are Christians of Jewish descent relating the life-decisions God has led them to or people who take only an academic interest in the topic. (Having known Seanna since she was nine years old, I do know in this case.) I admit that the answer to this question affects the amount of weight I give to the writer's statement. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 1006,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Organization: sgi Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article , karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) writes: > > So, you consider the german poster's remark anti-semitic? When someone says: ""So after 1000 years of sightseeing and roaming around its ok to come back, kill Palastinians, and get their land back, right?"" Yes, that's casual antisemitism. I can think of plenty of ways to criticize Israeli policy without insulting Jews or Jewish history. Can't you? jon " 1007,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >Natural morality may specifically be thought of as a code of ethics that >>a certain species has developed in order to survive. >Wait. Are we talking about ethics or morals here? Is the distinction important? >>We see this countless >>times in the animal kingdom, and such a ""natural"" system is the basis for >>our own system as well. >Huh? Well, our moral system seems to mimic the natural one, in a number of ways. >>In order for humans to thrive, we seem to need >>to live in groups, >Here's your problem. ""we *SEEM* to need"". What's wrong with the highlighted >word? I don't know. What is wrong? Is it possible for humans to survive for a long time in the wild? Yes, it's possible, but it is difficult. Humans are a social animal, and that is a cause of our success. >>and in order for a group to function effectively, it >>needs some sort of ethical code. >This statement is not correct. Isn't it? Why don't you think so? >>And, by pointing out that a species' conduct serves to propogate itself, >>I am not trying to give you your tautology, but I am trying to show that >>such are examples of moral systems with a goal. Propogation of the species >>is a goal of a natural system of morality. >So anybody who lives in a monagamous relationship is not moral? After all, >in order to ensure propogation of the species, every man should impregnate >as many women as possible. No. As noted earlier, lack of mating (such as abstinence or homosexuality) isn't really destructive to the system. It is a worst neutral. >For that matter, in herds of horses, only the dominate stallion mates. When >he dies/is killed/whatever, the new dominate stallion is the only one who >mates. These seems to be a case of your ""natural system of morality"" trying >to shoot itself in the figurative foot. Again, the mating practices are something to be reexamined... keith " 1008,7,"From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas) Subject: Re: BLAST to the past! Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes: >be worthwhile? Or how about something like the old MGB with new technology? >Just think about it - the old style with upgraded safety features and perhaps a >natural gas operated engine for less than 10K. I think it would go over well. >What is your opinion?????? >Al H Well, the MGB is currently in production for the English market, built by Rover. It now has a V8, improved suspention, and a slightly updated body. Too bad it's only available in GB and would set one of us back about $42,000+. -- Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah " 1009,9,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Keywords: Phillies Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 112 Previously I wrote: >Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year, >but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as >1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13). >September '64 is still a painful thing to remember. But I can tell you >that the Phillies never led the league by 15 that year. Going by memory >alone, I believe their biggest lead was 7 1/2 games, and they were >6 1/2 ahead when the famous 10-game losing streak began, a streak >during which it seemed that they found just about every way to lose >known to man. Anyway, I think they rebounded just before the end and >won their last couple games and were still in the thing until the >final day, but finished tied with the Giants one game out. And didn't >the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be >one of the closest last minute scrambles ever. OK, you guys stirred up my childhood memories, so I went and did some research on the final month or so of the 1964 season. It turns out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate, at least as far as the Phillies record goes. On September 1 1964 this was the top of the N.L. standings: W L GB Philadelphia 79 51 - Cincinnati 74 57 5 1/2 St. Louis 72 59 7 1/2 San Francisco 73 60 7 1/2 This is a game-by-game description of the remainder of the Phillies' season: Date Score Opponent Lead Pitcher (starting and winner/loser) 9/1 4-3 Houston 5 1/2 Bunning (15-4) 9/2 2-1 Houston 5 1/2 Short (15-7) 9/3 0-6 Houston 5 1/2 Bennett (9-12) 9/4 5-3 San Francisco 6 1/2 Mahaffey; Baldschun (6-5) 9/5 ??Win San Francisco 6 1/2 Bunning (16-4) 9/6 3-4 San Francisco 5 1/2 Short; Baldschun (6-6) 9/7 5-1 Los Angeles Bennett (10-12) 1-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise (5-3) 9/8 2-3 Los Angeles 6 Mahaffey (12-7) 9/9 5-10/11 St. Louis 5 Bunning; Baldschun (6-7) (Cardinals take over 2nd place from Cincinnati) 9/10 5-1 St. Louis 6 Short (16-7) 9/11 1-0 San Francisco 6 Bennett (11-12) 9/12 1-9 San Francisco 6 Mahaffey (12-8) (Giants move into a tie for 2nd with St. Louis) 9/13 4-1/10 San Francisco 6 Bunning (17-4) (Cardinals back in sole possesion of 2nd place) 9/14 4-1 Houston 6 1/2 Short (17-7) 9/15 1-0 Houston 6 Bennett (12-12) 9/16 5-6 Houston 6 Bunning (17-5) 9/17 4-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise; Schantz (2-4) 9/18 3-4 Los Angeles 6 Short; Baldschun (6-8) 9/19 3-4/16 Los Angeles 5 1/2 Bennett; Baldschun (6-9) 9/20 3-2 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Bunning (18-5) (Reds move back into tie for 2nd with Cardinals) Well so far so good for the Phillies. But now it all falls apart ... 9/21 0-1 Cincinnati 5 1/2 Mahaffey (12-9) (Reds take sole possesion of 2nd place) 9/22 2-9 Cincinnati 4 1/2 Short (17-8) 9/23 4-6 Cincinnati 3 1/2 Bennett (12-13) 9/24 3-5 Milwaukee 3 Bunning (18-6) 9/25 5-7/12 Milwaukee 1 1/2 Short; Boozer (3-4) (Cards now 2 1/2 back in 3rd, Giants 3 1/2 in 4th) 9/26 4-6 Milwaukee 1/2 Mahaffey; Schantz (2-5) 9/27 8-14 Milwaukee -1 Bunning (18-7) (Phils lose 7 1/2 games in 7 days; Reds take over 1st, Cardinals 1 1/2 back in 3rd) 9/28 1-5 St. Louis -1 1/2 Short(17-9) (Cardinals take over 2nd place, Phils drop to 3rd) 9/29 2-4 St. Louis -1 1/2 Bennett (12-14) (Reds and Cardinals now tied for 1st) 9/30 5-8 St. Louis -2 1/2 Bunning (18-8) (Cardinals take 1/2 game lead over Reds) 10/1 4-3 Cincinnati -1 1/2 Short; Roebuck (5-3) (Phillies halt 10-game losing streak; Cards lead Reds by 1/2 game) 10/2 Did not play; Cards lose to Mets, Reds tied for 1st, Phils 1 game back 10/3 10-0 Cincinnati -1 Bunning (19-8) (Cards beat Mets, take first by 1 from Reds and Phillies) Whew! what a finish! And the final standings were: W L GB St. Louis 93 69 - Philadelphia 92 70 1 Cincinnati 92 70 1 San Francisco 90 72 3 Now it doesn't appear to me that Phillies pitchers Bunning and Short were really overused, at least by the four-man rotation standard of the day, until well along into the 10-game losing streak, at which time Mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the Phillies substantial lead had evaporated. The way they were used at that time may have made the problem worse, although Bunning had one of his sharpest games of the year in the final day 10-0 shutout of the Reds that cost the Reds a share of the pennant. Bunning pitched a complete game six-hitter, striking out five and walking one. It would be inetersting to see, though, how the total innings for the year for Bunning and Short stacks up against the rest of the league. Also notice that the Phillies played every day from at least September 1 through October 1; while they didn't play substantially more games than the other teams, the other teams each had a couple days off during that stretch. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 1010,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 20 cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >If I talk with an atheist and tell him the New Testament is an historically >reliable document, what reasons would I give him? I have found that this isn't a very effective argument. Most atheists are perfectly willing to acknowledge the existence and ministry of Jesus--but are quite capable of rationalizing the miracles and the resurrection into misunderstandings, hoaxes, or simple fabrications. They can always make an analogy with the _Iliad_, a book that tells the story of the historical Trojan War, but also talks about gods and goddesses and their conversations. I don't think it's possible to convince atheists of the validity of Christianity through argument. We have to help foster faith and an understanding of God. I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here who were led to Christianity by argument? Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" Oakland University, Rochester, MI atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen Rushing in where angels fear to tread. " 1011,8,"From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 12 From what I've seen in my 17 years as an MOA member, most of the folks in the RA are also in the MOA... I guess it's called covering all the bases to get some idea of what is really happening.. How else does one think the RA gets all the juicey news about what's happen' inside the MOA? Nihilism isn't for everyone, not that it really matters! Craig Vechorik BMW MOA Ambassador (and ya, I finally sent my bucks into the RA too) ""REAL BMW's have TWO wheels"" <--- politically correct statement DOD #843 " 1012,15,"From: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (simon shields) Subject: SSPX schism ? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 78 Hi All Hope you all had a Blessed Easter. I have a document which I believe refutes the notion that the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) is in schism, or that there has been any legitimate excommunication. If anyone is interested in reading the truth about this matter please email me and I'll send them the document via email. Its 26 pages long, so I wont be posting it on the news group. Its titled NEITHER SCHISMATIC NOR EXCOMMUNICATED This article was originally an English translation, by the Society of Saint Pius X in Ireland, from the French Journal 'Courrier de Rome'. The French article, in its turn, was a translation from the Italian of the Roman Newsletter 'Si Si No No'. This booklet contains the transcription, with some minor editing, of the Irish article, and was transcribed and produced by John Clay, Townsville, Queensland, Australia. (There is no copyright attached. Simon Shields) CONTENTS NEITHER SCHISMATIC NOR EXCOMMUNICATED.......................1 CATHOLICS ON THE RACK.......................................1 THE CHOICE OF THE 'SENSUS FIDEI'............................3 AMBIGUITY...................................................4 THE CHURCH IS NOT BICEPHALOUS (TWO-HEADED)..................6 THE PERSON AND THE FUNCTION OF THE POPE.....................6 UNITY OF FAITH AND UNITY OF COMMUNION.......................8 THE CRITERIA OF CHOICE.....................................10 ECUMENISM - AN ATTACK ON THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH...........10 THE EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION WITHIN THE CHURCH..............11 EXTRAORDINARY DUTIES OF LAY PEOPLE.........................12 DUTIES AND POWERS OF BISHOPS...............................14 FROM THE FACT OF THEIR GREATER DUTIES......................14 FROM THE FACT OF THEIR GREATER POWER.......................14 THE POWER AND THE DUTY OF THE PAPACY.......................15 THE ELECTION OF BISHOPS....................................15 STATE AND RIGHT OF NECESSITY...............................16 1. THERE IS IN THE CHURCH A REAL STATE OF NECESSITY........17 FOR SOULS..................................................18 FOR SEMINARIANS............................................18 2. ALL THE ORDINARY MEANS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED..............19 3. THE ACT ITSELF IS NOT INTRINSICALLY EVIL AND THERE RESUL..........21 4. IN THE LIMITS OF EFFECTIVE REQUIREMENTS.................22 5. THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE IS NOT PUT INTO QUESTION......23 THE EXCOMMUNICATION........................................24 CONCLUSION.................................................25 BIBLIOGRAPHY...............................................26-31 God Bless ye all, An Irish Fairwell may the road rise to meet you may the wind be always at your back may the sun shine warm upon your face, the rains fall soft upon your fields, and until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of his hand. -- /----------------------------------------------------------------|-------\ | Simon P. Shields Programmer Viva Cristo Rey !! ----|---- | | MONASH UNIVERSITY COLLEGE GIPPSLAND Ph:+61 51 226 357 .JHS. | | Switchback Rd. Churchill. Fax:+61 51 226 300 |\|/| | | Australia 3842 Internet: simon@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au |M J| | \------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 1013,10,Organization: Central Michigan University From: Ryan J. Thieme <33CWDTR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! <1993Apr15.214902.3372@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> <9169@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Lines: 7 How do you beat the Penguins? Crash the team plane. Ryan 1014,2,"From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) Subject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11 Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 11:41:36 GMT In article rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Roderick Campbell) writes: =>There is a free unix, linux, that has cc, ~c++, fortran ( f2c ), =>Xwindows and many other features besides, with a large number of utilities =>that can be optionally added. And there is also a free 386BSD I believe. =>Both these unix's are quite robust. You can check out comp.os.linux i dunno about linux, but for 386bsd, don't forget networking (well tested, at that), NFS, a fast, incredibly stable filesystem, and the list goes on... 8-) for us 386bsd folk, look in comp.os.386bsd.*. chris moderator of comp.os.386bsd.announce, anti-politician, and sometime evangelist -- Chris G. Demetriou cgd@cs.berkeley.edu ""386bsd as depth first search: whenever you go to fix something you find that 3 more things are actually broken."" -- Adam Glass " 1015,3,"From: robert@weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) Subject: Re: Orchid P9000 vs Fahrenheit (mini review) Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 102 In article <1993Apr16.173120.19289@adobe.com> sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood) writes: >In going with the modern trend, the Orchid P9000 card only supports 16 colors >in 640x480 mode without a driver. Of course, this breaks any DOS program >which uses SVGA modes (like most of my CD-ROMs). This is not the case: the ROM on the P9000 supports VESA modes of up to 1024x768 in 256 colors. VESA-compliant applications should have no trouble setting these modes. (But I'm forwarding your posting to our Software group, just in case. Can't be too careful.) Not that I doubt that YOUR applications are failing to run; lots of stuff depends on figuring out which exact SVGA they're looking at, and don't use VESA calls (VESA is still pretty new). Every new chip set confuses them. >The supported resolutions really annoy me. You can do 1280x1024 at 75Hz if >you tell the driver you have an NEC 5FG (they only have about six monitors >listed plus 'Generic', and if you choose Generic you can't get any high >refreshes at ALL). But at 1024x768 you are limited to 70Hz. Seems to me >that the hardware should be able to support the bandwidth (if it can do 75Hz >at 1280 it sure should be able to do it at 1024!). Higher vertical resolution >was the main reason I bought the card over the Orchid F. VLB I currently have, >and it will do 1024x768x70 Hz as well. I think we go to AT LEAST 76 Hz at 1024x768x8, and maybe more (and it's a function of the RAMDAC speed, not the Power 9000). We need to fix the problems you've noted (they were already on the list). If you're really interested, though, take a look at the text file P9000RES.DAT, which holds the data from which the choices in the P9000 monitor installation program are built. Working by analogy, you can build up a new monitor definition that has the right combinations of refresh rates for your monitors. Keep a backup copy of the file! Once you've built a new version of the P9000RES.DAT file, run the P9000 installation program, INST, and your new choices should show up. (This assumes you have the WEITEK v. 2.2 drivers. You can tell the rev number by looking at the modification time of the driver: 02:20 is version 2.20. Microsoft uses this gimmick, too.) >The board is faster that the OFVLB for most things according to the Hercules >Speedy program. This program tests various operations and reports the results >in pixels/second. I don't have the numbers for the Graphite card, but they >were close to half of the OFVLB (ie, slower) but that was running in a 20MHz >386, ISA, so the numbers aren't really comparable. The following numbers >were all obtained using a 486, 33 MHz, AIR motherboard (UMC chipset), with >8 MB memory. I give ranges because the program reports the numbers as it >computes them, and these tend to jump around a bit. The SPEEDY benchmark was put out by Hercules and IIT, who to my knowledge were unencumbered by any motivations except making the Hercules Graphite/IIT AGX014 card look really good. So I'd take the numbers with a ton of salt. (Texas Instruments did the same thing with WINTACH, trying to make the 34020 look good compared to the 8514, as if anyone cared.) It's safer (though not safe) to use benchmarks from ""unbiased"" sources, such as testing labs, columnists, etc. >Interestingly, the solid >vectors and shaded polygons show no improvement, and hatched polygons (ie, >filled with cross-hatching) and Ternary Rops (whatever they are. Graphics >operations like XORs maybe????) are a dead loss on the 9000. I think you'll a large discrepancy between the results of SPEEDY and the results of anything else in the universe on these things. >I give two >numbers for the 9000 fonts, because I think they are caching. >When the fonts are first drawn on the screen they are done fairly slowly -- >1/3 the speed of the OFVLB. Then the speed increases dramatically. Sounds >like programming to a benchmark to me.... Font caching is a perfectly legitimate optimization -- Windows has hooks for it built right into the GDI. What's kind of silly is IIT's use of a hardwired ""The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog then sat on a tack"" string in their driver. Not only is it useless in real applications, it lacks the programming elegance of the ""Bart Simpson optimization,"" in which you save the bitmap of the most-recently drawn string in off-screen memory, and just do a screen-to-screen bitblit if you happen to be given that same string a second time in a row. (We call it the ""Bart Simpson optimization"" because Bart's the only person we can see benefiting from it: he could right ""I will not cheat on benchmarks"" a hundred times and be done in half the time it would take to actually form each character.) >I make no claims that these numbers mean anything at all. Its just what >I saw when I ran them on my computer. I normally don't write disclaimers, >but this time maybe I'd better. My testing is totally unconnected with my >work (I program under UNIX on Decstations) is done completely without the >knowledge, blessing, or equipment of my company. We don't have any lawyers -- they're all working for Intel. There used to be a lawyer in Montana who didn't, but he died. -- Robert -- Robert Plamondon, robert@weitek.COM ""Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I, the Great and Glorious Oz, have spoken!"" -- scene from a trade show " 1016,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Is LA burning yet? Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 18 In article <4892@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM writes: > I hear the jury reached a verdict. Where did you hear this? I seem to have missed it. > Is LA burning yet? No. Will L.A. burn? No. (Regardless of the verdict.) > I'm not near a radio. Count your blessings. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 1017,9,"From: aardvark@cygnus.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Keywords: Phillies Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 21 In article erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: >Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year, >but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as >1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13). . . . >the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be >one of the closest last minute scrambles ever. Since I was born in the late Pleistocene, I too remember 1964. That year, the Dodgers were several games out of first and I think finished sixth in the league. This was kind of odd because they won the World Series both the previous year and the following year. -- Warren Usui I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10. " 1018,12,"From: msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark Underwood) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Nntp-Posting-Host: nx35.mik.uky.edu Reply-To: msunde01@mik.uky.edu Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 32 In article <1pqb8aINN9vg@hp-col.col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: > > The manual also got into the ""cosine effect"", wherein the motorist > always gets the benefit of the doubt (effectively). Depending on > relative directions of the radar gun and target car, the reading > will always be THE SAME AS or LOWER THAN the actual speed of the car. > Never higher. > > And always remember that the cop doesn't even need radar to ticket you. > His (her?) word as a skilled observer is enough. The father of a friend of mine is a police officer in West Virginia. Not only is his word as a skilled observer good in court, but his skill as an observer has been tested to be more accurate than the radar gun in some cases . . .. No foolin! He can guess a car's speed to within 2-3mph just by watching it blow by - whether he's standing still or moving too! (Yes, I realize that calibrated guns are more accurate than this, but . . .). His ability is not that uncommon among people who watch moving things for a living, I have heard . . .. So what good is a radar detector except to give you a split second warning that the guy who just cut you off to pass the guy ahead and to your left is about to panic stop from 85 on a crowded freeway??? Mark S. Underwood EE Student, University of Kentucky Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab (a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs) E-Mail: msunde01@mik.uky.edu " 1019,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 37 brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: > Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications (specificall > the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow cite as threats) > will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a legitimate user, and > to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery of compromise of the > device will be delayed. Why doing it in such a rough manner? It is much more professional to steal the chip from the phone and even to replace it with a pin-compatible do-nothing chip that does not encrypt at all. Chances are that the victim will not notice anything, especially if it is done professionally. > Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate > with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from > key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other means. No, because the Feds will still be able to decrypt the conversations. True, they'll blame the wrong guys, but nevertheless one cannot say something like ""The drugs arrive tommorrow on the ship 'Terminus'"" when the Feds are listening, even if they cannot identify who the speaker is. No, the criminals will just use some secure encryption. The new proposal does not stop criminals; it ensures that the government will be able to wiretap the average citizen and stops the casual snooper. To me, it also clearly looks as a step towards outlawing any other strong encryption devices. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 1020,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 46 by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes: >...does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the >environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into >pantheism? >I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate >concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it >being perverted into something dangerous. Many pagans are involved in environmentalism--this is only natural, since respect for the earth is a fundamental tenet of all pagan denominations. This doesn't mean that environmentalism is wrong, any more than supporting peace in the Middle East is wrong because Jews and Muslims also work for it. Nonetheless, paganism is certainly on the rise, and we as Christians should address this and look at what draws people from paganism to Christianity. Like it or not, pagan religions are addressing needs that Christianity should be, and isn't. I believe that paganism has hit upon some major truths that Christianity has forgotten. This doesn't mean that paganism is right, but it does mean that we have something to learn from the pagan movement. First, paganism respects the feminine. Christianity has a long history of oppressing women, and many (if not most) male Christians are still unable to live in a non-sexist manner. The idea that God is sexless, or that Christ could have been a women and still accomplished his mission, is met with a great deal of resistance. This insistance on a male-dominated theology (and the male-dominated society that goes with it) drives away many young women who have had to put up with sexist attitudes in their churches. Second, paganism respects the physical world. This is an idea with great ramifications. One of these is environmentalism--respect for our surroundings and our world. Another is integration of sexuality. Christianity has a long tradition of calling ALL sexual feeelings sinful and urging people to suppress and deny their sexuality. This is too much--sex is clearly a part of human experience and attempting to remove it is simply not a feasible option. Christianity has only begun to develop a workable sexual ethic, and paganism is an attractive option. I'm not advocating that Christian doctrines (no sex before marriage, etc.) should be changed--just that Christians work toward a more moderate ethic of sexuality. Denial of sexuality places as much emphasis on sex as unmoderated sexuality, and neither one does much to bring us closer to God. Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" Oakland University, Rochester, MI atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen Rushing in where angels fear to tread. " 1021,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 10 The actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is for cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not end to end, I think. End to end will come later. And of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and since the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the magic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and then can present the warrant to the key escrow house. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 1022,6,"From: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L) Subject: Need Sharp 6220, T2000 parts, information Distribution: world Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 23 I'm looking for a Sharp 6220 or TI Travelmate 2000 for parts. Mine has a bad RAM chip on the motherboard and I want to see what I can get for parts before sending it off to Sharp for repairs. If you have one, drop me a line. Also, I'm trying to set one up for a friend who needs to read his old 5 1/4 inch diskettes. Anyone have the pinout of the diskette expansion connector on the back of the 3.5 inch floppy box? If you respond, please include a phone number. I can't always get through with email. As always, Thanks, Jim Lewczyk -- Mailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com James Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267 NCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM " 1023,11,"From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 19 In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: > >I probably shouldn't say this, but they could try to detect the use >of an illegal cypher by transmitting in the clear some statistical >properties of the plaintext. An old-fashioned wiretap could then >detect the use of pre-encryption, which would drastically increase >the measured entropy of the input. A countermeasure to this would >be to use steganographic techniques which put out voice. This way to detect pre-encryption may be defeated ; one can do transformation of the spectrum of encrypted signal just by adding some pre-arranged (in the beginning of communication) function. I think so. Say, you can do FFT of your encrypted signal. Just thinking ... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1024,6,"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) Subject: VIDEOCAMERA, AMIGA 3000, HP THINKJET For Sale as of 4/18 Lines: 49 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 49 If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me: EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu Phone (703)552-4381 USMail Michael Beck 1200 Progress Street #5500E Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 ~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ 1 PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder VHS HQ High Speed Shutter Flying Erase Head ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly Date/Time stamp Counter/Memory Rec Review Fade Back Light Auto/Manual Focus Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone Comes with: Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case (20"" long X 13"" wide X 6"" high) Shoulder strap Power adaptor/battery charger Battery pack Remote recording controller UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor Audio/Video cables and adaptor Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features) 15"" long X 4"" wide X 8"" high (w/ handle) ASKING PRICE: $BEST OFFER so far $350, but looking for more ($700 new price) 1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys broken) ASKING PRICE: $1500 OBO. 1 Hewlett Packard ThinkJet Printer w/ HP-IB interface Like NEW in original box ASKING PRICE: $250 OBO. SOLD!! AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730 ASKING PRICE: $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new) SOLD!! COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475 " 1025,8,"From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff? Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ale.japan.sun.com Keywords: Bear (J. R. Laferriere) writes: % % I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have % several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops. % What happened to Charlie Lear?? He used to have ""connections"", didn't he? (Hey, this is cyberspace mister... you wanna 'stateside cop, ya gotta' specify!) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | John Little - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 1026,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 5 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Agreed. This is like the Bay of Pigs fiasco (planned by the Eisenhower Administration but given the final green light by Kennedy). To be sure, hen it all went down, Kennedy was at least man enough to take full responsibility, which is not what I expect from Slick Willie Clinton.... " 1027,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 23 In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: >Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time. Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. Gregmeister " 1028,19,"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu <1993Apr7.073926.9874@engage.pko.dec.com> <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> <1993Apr11.162936.18734@zeus.franklin.edu>,<1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 71 In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >|> >|> >|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally >|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic >|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more >|> objective sources and isnt even accepted by those who's messiah this creature >|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many >|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of >|> guano... > > Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring > to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if > you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and > well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, > who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts > are very much in harmony. Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical scholar I mean an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let the chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may otherwise be defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. They are not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others). Why an insert? Read it - I have, a number of times. The passage is glaringly out of context, and Josephus, a superb writer, had no such problem elsewhere in his work. The passage has *nothing* to do with the subject matter in which it lies. It suddenly appears and then just as quickly disappears. Until you can demonstrate how and why the scholarly community is wrong about the Josephus insert, your ""proof"" is meaningless and it should not be repeated here. What's more, even if Josephus happened to be legitimate, it would ""prove"" nothing. Scholars speak of the ""weight of evidence."" Far more independent evidence would be required to validate your claim. Until forthcoming, your belief is based on faith. That's OK, but you exceed your rights when you pass faith off as fact. As for the gospels, there are parallels, but there are also glaring inconsistencies and contradictions. Shouldn't a perfect canon be perfect? Shouldn't there be absolutely no room for debate? I suggest you read _Gospel Fictions_ by Randel Helms, and _The Unauthorized Version_ by Robin Fox (for Herb Huston, no known kinship or familial relationship, but we do indeed share an evolutionary ancestry). The fact that there are inconsistencies, gaps and contradictions does not deny your position. On the other hand, neither do the gospels ""prove"" your faith. Independent evidence is necessary, and I know of none (which we have already discussed, and so far you have not provided any). Until then, its faith. Moreover, you have committed a fundamental error in logic. You have attempted to ""prove"" your claim with that which you want to prove. Its no different than saying ""I am right because I say so."" Your logic is full of circles. It reminds me a bit of the 1910 Presbyterian General Assembly. The assembly defined five fundamentals (this is where ""fundamentalist"" came from) of orthodox Protestant Christianity, to wit: 1) Jesus performed miracles, 2) Jesus was born of a virgin, 3) Jesus was bodily resurrected, 4) Jesus' crucifixion atoned for human sin, and - here is the clincher - 5) the bible is the inerrant word of God. Presbyterians construe ""inerrant"" broadly as spritually inerrant. Fundamentalists take the first four as literally true, and then validate them with a literally inerrant bible, which contains the first four, and which is the only thing known to contain the first four. Smoke and mirrors and wands and hand waving if ever there was! Its faith, Bill. You don't have any more or better truths than anyone else. Whatever works for you. Just don't foist it on others. Regards, Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota " 1029,16,"From: jon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Originator: jon@atlas Nntp-Posting-Host: atlas.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va. Lines: 33 In article , Thomas Parsli writes: > 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or > talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY > > 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. > > 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup > > We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil > goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to > let's say 1000 people ???? > > > > > This is not a .signature. > It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith > and to bring down the evil Internet. > > > Thomas Parsli > thomasp@ifi.uio.no How about a group called talk.that.thomas.parsli.approves? -- Clinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail) provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe) Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online) -- Clinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail) provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe) Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online) " 1030,7,"From: jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: Private site in San Marcos, California Lines: 35 aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: > > In a previous article, dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617) says: > > >: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes: > >: > HELP!!! > >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. > >jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: > >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they > >: thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor. > >I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior. I really looks snazzy wh > >the top is off. I looks a lot better in person than on the television. (I > >that Motorweek as well. Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it > >was over ...) :*) > > > >Watch out for that darned ""convertible tan"" tho... > > > i simply must inquire, how can people honestly consider this car > a ""convertible""? Does Porsche have a patent on the ""targa"" name? > I mean, convertible to me means ""top down"", which the del Sol certainly > does NOT do. It has the center that lifts out. This is what i would > term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that). I know > the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car > to be a convertible. > Yes, however, with the top off and the rear window down this car is more like a convertible than a coupe. Think of it as a convertible with an integrated roll-bar like addition. jp " 1031,13,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 6 I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people. I don't remember any connection being made with seizures, but it certainly couldn't hurt to try an all-natural diet. " 1032,16,"From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: UDel: School of Life & Health Sciences Lines: 19 In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: } }> Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up? } }Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide. } }No comparison. You, sir, are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about either the drug business or the gun business. Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL, The International Society for Individual Liberty, 1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com Think Universally, Act Selfishly - starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu " 1033,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 4 I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. " 1034,5,"From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Subject: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST Lines: 18 (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a ""proper"" way to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is guaranteed to be mapped. The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? " 1035,16,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 10 It's truly unfortunate that we don't have the Japanese tradition of Hari-Kari for public officials to salvage some tatters of honor after they commit offenses against humanity like were perpetrated in Waco, Texas today. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. " 1036,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Feasibility considered Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 72 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <16APR199317391664@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.124824.29405@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... > >> >:On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation >:is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call >:for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any >:kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of >:difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, >:to say the least. >> > >I assume you mean that analyzing the cost/benefit ratio of government >regulation on a case by case basis is worthwhile. Let me suggest that >this is not an option. Regulators regulate, it's what they do. I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more about it. > > It might be possible to pass an amendment which would prevent >any liscensing laws from being valid, assuming you could convince people that >it would overall be a good idea. Eliminating the liscensing laws which >serve no good purpose (the vast majority of them) while maintaining the >worthwhile ones (assuming there are any) is not feasible. Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent tasks. > >:I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, >:national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide >:a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives >:than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable >:exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile >:analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. >: >:jsh > >I note that the above examples tend to be among the few government areas >likely to win some approval among libertarians anyway. Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. (It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) >The most objectionable government expenditures are entitlements, which >also are the biggest. Certain individuals will suggest that these should be >considered defense on the grounds that they are a sort of Danegeld to >would-be revolutionaries, but I personally don't feel we have much to fear >from an alliance of geezers and unwed mothers. Maybe I've led too >sheltered a life. Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. jsh > >Mr. Grinch -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 1037,1,"From: Dave Watson Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 29 Distribution: world Reply-To: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes: >Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? >Is there any reference to it? The Delaunay triangulation is the geometrical dual of the Voronoi tessellation and both constructions are derived from natural neighbor order. Aurenhammer, F., 1991, Voronoi Diagrams - A Survey of a Fundamental Geometric Data Structure: ACM Computing Surveys, 23(3), p. 345-405. Okabe, A., Boots, B., and Sugihara, K., 1992, Spatial tessellations : concepts and applications of Voronoi diagrams: Wiley & Sons, New York, ISBN 0 471 93430 5, 532p. Watson, D.F., 1981, Computing the n-dimensional Delaunay tessellation with application to Voronoi polytopes: The Computer J., 24(2), p. 167-172.} Watson, D.F., 1985, Natural neighbour sorting: The Australian Computer J., 17(4), p. 189-193. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 " 1038,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Article-I.D.: martha.1993Apr6.161640.18833 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 46 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >hambidge@bms.com wrote: >: In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >: >: Rate := per capita rate. The UK is more dangerous. >: >: Though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun, the average >: >: individual citizen in the UK is twice as likely to be killed >: >: by whatever means as the average Swiss. Would you feel any better >: >: about being killed by means other than a handgun? I wouldn't. >: >: >What an absurd argument. Switzerland is one-fifth the size of the >: >UK with one-eigth as many people therefore at any given point on >: >Swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait. More importantly, >: >you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching >: >you on a Swiss street than in the UK. > >: You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL >: NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. >: Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the >: rate would be 10/100,000. A place that had 50 deaths and a population >: of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000. The former has a higher >: rate, the latter a higher total. You are less likely to die in the >: latter. Simple enuff? > >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: > > handgun homicides/population > ---------------------------- > Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 > UK : 8 / 55,670,000 > >.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice. If you want to talk ""less likely to get killed with a handgun"" you'd have a point. ""Safer"" includes other things than simply handguns, and you can't conclude ""safer"" by ignoring them. Now if somebody's got the total homicide rates... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (Mail to VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu will bounce.) ""Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed."" - Lazarus Long " 1039,5,"From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) Subject: Re: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 24 herzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SunSoft Product Engineering) writes: >I'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have >1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is >1024x768. I've used X11R5 with classics set for both 1024x768 and 1152x900 (you can choose which resolution you want in the PROM monitor before booting). One person had trouble with X11R5 that was fixed by using the multi-screen version. Here's how our version was built. (You can just copy /usr/local/X11R5/bin/Xsun from farside.rutgers.edu if you just want to see whether this version will work.) R5 distribution installed, from pub/R5/mit-[1-4] and contrib-[1-3] on export.lcs.mit.edu patches 1 - 23 installed, from pub/R5/fixes on export R5 Xsun Multi-screen patches installed, from contrib/R5.Xsun.multi-screen* on export, 22-Mar-93 Solaris 2.1 patches installed, release 1/update 2, from contrib/R5.SunOS5.patch* on export, 22-Mar-93 Compilation is with gcc 2.3.3. Configuration is standard, except that the root is /usr/local/X11R5, per Rutgers conventions. " 1040,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 29 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> In article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>, |> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: |> > These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had |> > expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a |> > direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God |> > is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable. |> > Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to |> > God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the |> > age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is |> > repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just |> > for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile |> > alike. |> |> Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. |> |> Cheers, |> Kent |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. A lot of people won't agree with me. That's their right and I respect that. However, to the point, Jews are also covered by the saving grace of Jesus Christ. There are Jews who have become Christians. This brings up another question I still have to ponder: why is there so much anti-Semitism? Why do people hate Jews? I don't hate Jews. I consider them to be like anyone else, sinners we all are. " 1041,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour >died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such >behaviour, entirely by chance. That's the entire point! >Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an >organism evolves cooperative behaviour? Yes! Natural morality is a morality that developed naturally. >What about the natural morality of bee dance? Huh? keith " 1042,6,"From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle) Subject: Re: UHC SVR4.0.3.6 forsale.. Keywords: UHC, SVR4 Organization: TRW Denver Operations Lines: 21 In article larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes: >darylm@illian.mnet.com (Daryl V. McDaniel) writes: ... > >considering the conversation about UHC on the net, I wouldn't say $1K is >a good deal -- considering the package is inflated in price to start with > >-- >Larry Snyder >larry@gator.rn.com What problems have you had with UHC? I have been using their OS for 2 years and have had very few problems. -- Eddie D. Tuggle, etuggle@dora.auc.trw.com | ""There is nothing either good or TRW Denver Operations | bad, but thinking makes it so."" 16201 Centretech Pky / Aurora, CO 80011 | -- SHAKESPEARE Voice: 303.360.4001 FAX: 303.360.4133 | " 1043,18,"From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 68 In article <1993Apr03.102200.4802@armory.com> rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: >In article sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: >>In article drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes: >>>There is something that bothers me about this whole arguement. >>> >>> >>>5) Could someone please CALMLY explain why homosexuality is such a great sin? >>> Without giving the standard ""Just because God sez so"". Almost all of Judeo- >> >> >> >>Thanks for your posting, I enjoyed it. >> >>The reason Homosexuality is a sin is because the Jews were a struggling >>group of people trying hard to survive and differentiate between >>themselves and their oppressors. This led to several things. >> >>1. Worshipping one god. All their foes were polytheistic. >> >>2. All sex was put in to a moral context. All their foes were perverts >> and spilled their seed liberally. >-------------------------------- >It's just as easy to spill seed or spread it thin heterosexualy, why then >the specific prohibition on homosexuals, especially since the answer to >everything back then was stoning to death, doesn't help population growth >much. Also to just say that ""their foes were perverts"" begs the question, The key word is `spilled'. If semen was spilled anywhere where there was a chance of procreation it was OK. If it was spilt on the ground or in to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro- creation. Homosexuals didn't breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned to death. > >>3. All sex was directed towards breeding. The jews were few in number >> and their foes many. To survive everything had to go into multiplication. >-------------------------------------- >Like I said, stoning to death doesn't help population much. It sounds more >like a set of prejudices that already existed and were blown into a religion >to emphasize the differences of Jewish culture and enshrine some pretty Stoning non-breeding population was fine. Only the breeders were considered to be worth much. >> 1% Jesus, 70% Judaism, 29% original (prejudiced) Bullshit. >------------------------------- >I'll buy the bullshit. He was a profound misogynist as well. He might have >been bitterly gay himself. No record of marriage. >-RSW > >>>Ben Gibson >>Xavier > > >-- >* Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * Xavier -- * Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** * Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ****** * World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email *************************** * Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons " 1044,18,"From: acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (B. Bilal Acuner) Subject: Turkish Preisident Turgut Ozal passed away Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu Turkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT . Mr. Ozal was 66 years old. BahadIr Acuner acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu " 1045,15,"From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 18 jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: >Please, define cell church. I missed it somewhere in the past when this >was brought up before. In a cell church, the fundamental building block is the ""cell group"" -- a small group of no more than 15 believers. The small groups are responsible for the ministry of the church: evangelism and discipleship. The emphasis is on relationships, not on programs, and both the evangelism and the discipling are relationship-based. This will probably raise more questions than it answered, but that's it in a nutshell. -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ****************************************************************** " 1046,14,"From: maverick@wpi.WPI.EDU (T. Giaquinto) Subject: General Information Request Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu I am looking for any information about the space program. This includes NASA, the shuttles, history, anything! I would like to know if anyone could suggest books, periodicals, even ftp sites for a novice who is interested in the space program. Todd Giaquinto maverick@wpi.WPI.EDU " 1047,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 73 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri tes: >In article <1993Apr18.001338.21323@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus. acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >>>No social problem, however great, is worth destroying the freedom in America . >>>The destruction of freedom is never an answer to any social problem. >> >>You can't even walk down the street at night alone in America because of drug s. >>Freedom my ass. >> >>Ryan > >Why exactely can't you walk down the street safely? It it because somebody >will jump out from behind a shadow, and, SELL YOU DRUGS? Hardly. Or mug me. > On the >other hand, it's certainly possible that you are walking down the steet of >a bustling lawless part of your metropolitan area. Lawless and bustling: read >underground economy. Why must you pursue this fantasy that all crime is derived from ""underground economies"". > There, it may not be a very safe place to be at all. >Unless of course you're there to buy some drugs... > >I explained how the WOD is a major cause of large-scale crime in America. The >head of the Guardian Angles agrees with me: legalize drugs and watch violent ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Haaahaaaahaaaa >crimes significantly decrease. > >As for me, well, I think I'll go take a walk tonight--alone. I feel safe. I >just hope the FDA/FBI/DEA/BATF isn't back at my apartment confiscating all my >property because they found my phone number written on a phone booth that was >also used by a drug dealer. Yeah buddy, this happens all the time. Tell me, HAS IT EVERY REALLY HAPPENED TO YOU? That's what I thought. > In that sense, I don't feel safe. I'm an honest, >law-abiding citizen (drug laws included, FTM), why is it that I fear the >government more than I fear criminals? > Your foolish. >Freedom MY ass. This is NOT what the founding fathers (some of whom would be >thrown in prison under today's drug laws) had in mind. All of these problems >you come up with pale in comparison to the fact that the very fiber of our >country--the US Constitution--is being destroyed. What good would it do ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Must I ask again, what part? >even IF the WOD actually reduced crime: we just created a new class of >criminals, headed up the gang's current leader: Bill Clinton. The DEA, etc. >are private armies that answer directly to the president. They possess >advanced weapons and survailance technology. Does this sound familiar to >anybody? > >Do you support ""Mein Furher Clinton""? Hmmmmmm? You seem to have come out >against the current adminstration: why are you eager to endow it with >even MORE power? (Power of the most dangerous kind, too). > All I ask is that drugs stay illegal. I don't think it's too much to ask. Ryan " 1048,7,"From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 26 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: > >>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>I am quite interested in it. >>Thanks! >>Darren Gibbons >>gibbonsa@sfu.ca > > This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? > > Chintan Amin > llama@uiuc.edu If it looks like a miniature corvette it would be an opel GT,the headlights are flipped over by pulling a lever inside.> >-- >Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu >*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** " 1049,15,"From: bfinnert@chaph.usc.edu (Brian Finnerty) Subject: Mary's assumption Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 34 A few points about Mary's being taken into heaven at the end of her life on earth: One piece of evidence for Mary's assumption into heaven is the fact that no Christian church ever claimed to be the sight where she was buried. Some Christian churches claimed to be located at the final resting places of Peter, Mark, and other saints, but no one ever claimed to possess the body of Mary, the greatest of the saints. Why? Because everyone knew that she had been taken up into heaven. Although there is no definitive scriptural proof for the assumption of Mary, some passages seem suggestive, like the passage in Revelation that describes a woman giving birth to a Son and later being crowned in the heavens. Of course, the woman in this passage has other interpretations; she can also be taken a symbol for the Church. The assumption of Mary makes sense because of her relationship to Christ. Jesus, perfect God and perfect man, fulfilled the requirements of the law perfectly. Under the law God gave to us, we are to honor our mother and father, and Christ's act of taking his mother into heaven is part of his fulfillment of that law. Also, he took his flesh from her, so it seems appropriate that he decide not to allow her flesh to rot in the grave. One last point: an ex-Catholic attempted to explain Catholic doctrine on the assumption by asserting it is connected to a belief that Mary did not die. This is not a correct summary of what Catholics believe. The dogma of the assumption was carefully phrased to avoid saying whether Mary did or did not die. In fact, the consensus among Catholic theologians seems to be that Mary in fact did die. This would make sense: Christ died, and his Mother, who waited at the foot of the cross, would want to share in his death. Brian Finnerty " 1050,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Paul E. Reimer) writes: |There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some |regulation to try to combat this. When I got my drivers license, I HAD |to take a drivers safety class. I HAVE to be licensed to drive. My car |MUST be registered. I MUST (at least where I live) have liability |insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an |accident with it). Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration |of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for |gun owners. As I'm sure others will have pointed out to you by now, none of the above measures are required for you *on your own property*. You do not have to have a license, your car does not have to be registered or inspected, and you do not have to have insurance or safety training classes, when you own and operate that vehicle on your own premises. If you are going to make use of this dubious analogy, at least make it accurate. And by the way, in Texas you can drive a car in public (with the proper credentials), but an ordinary civilian can't carry a gun legally in public to save his/her life. So I won't even consider registration, *manadatory* safety classes, or *manadatory* liability insurance unless I get a federal law repealing all local, state, and federal gun control laws which abridge the Second Amendment, and a non-discretionary federal weapons carry permit, good anywhere in the United States. Come on, you wanted the analogy. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 1051,9,"From: napoli@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Gaetano Napolitano) Subject: ERA formula Distribution: ca Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 17 Hello as the subject tells all I am trying to find out what is the formula to calculate the ERA for the pitchers. If any of you baseball fans have it please e-mail me at napoli@atc.olivetti.com thank you very much Gaetano Napolitano " 1052,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: About this 'Center for Policy Resea Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 85 In article <1483500350@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested >who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige. Trumpets, please. >My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My >mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables' >(at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go >to Palestine due to many cynical factors. ""Forced to go to Palestine."" How dreadful. Unlike other undesirables/Jews, she wasn't forced to go into a gas chamber, forced under a bulldozer, thrown into a river, forced into a ""Medical experiment"" like a rat, forced to march until she dropped dead, burned to nothingness in a crematorium. Your mother was ""forced to go to Palestine."" You have our deepest sympathies. >I have meanwhile settled in Iceland (30 years ago) We are pleased to hear of your escape. At least you won't have to suffer the same fate that your mother did. >and met many people who were thrown out from >my homeland, Palestine, Your homeland, Palestine? >because of the same reason (they belonged to >the 'indesirables'). Should we assume that you are refering here to Jews who were kicked out of their homes in Jerusalem during the Jordanian Occupation of East Jerusalem? These are the same people who are now being called thieves for re-claiming houses that they once owned and lived in and never sold to anyone? >These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem >with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare >not Jews. I have never heard of NOT being a Jew as a crime. Certainly in Israel, there is no such crime. In some times and places BEING a Jew is a crime, but NOT being a Jew??!! >My conscience does not accept such injustice, period. Our brains do not accept your logic, yet, either. >My >work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism >and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices >in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based >on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism >from Israel. The way you've written this, you seem to accept criticism in the Arab world UNLESS it deflects criticism from Israel, in which case, we have to presume, you no longer support criticism of the Arab world. >The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal. Look who's taling about discrimination now! >The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities >undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command >the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal >institution and works with minimal funds. Be careful. You are starting to sound like Barfling. >Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published >several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe. > >I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in >a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful. Good. Don't call yourself ""ARF"" or ""the Center for Policy Research"", either. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1053,14,"From: Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 Lines: 91 In Henry Spencer writes: >In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ... >>>Level 5? Out of how many? ... >> >>... Also keep in mind that it was >>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather >>through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the >>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and >>did the whole process by hand... > >I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the >software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically >correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking >care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited >the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He >also noted that the software people were starting to feel management >pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.) > >Among other things, the software people worked very hard to get things >right for the major pre-flight simulations, and considered a failure >during those simulations to be nearly as bad as an in-flight failure. >As a result, the number of major-simulation failures could be counted >on one hand, and the number of in-flight failures was zero. > >As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software. >Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the >experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care. >(None of the experimenters could afford it.) >-- >All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology > - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry > News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: Wingert@VNET.IBM.com (Bret Wingert) In Henry Spencer writes: >In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ... >>>Level 5? Out of how many? ... >> >>... Also keep in mind that it was >>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather >>through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the >>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and >>did the whole process by hand... > >I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the >software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically >correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking >care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited >the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He >also noted that the software people were starting to feel management >pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.) > >As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software. >Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the >experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care. ======================================================================== A couple of points on this thread. 1. We have been using our processes since way before Challenger. Challenger in and of it self did not uncover flaws. 2. What Mr. Spencer says is by and large true. We have a process that is not dependent on ""sophisticated tools"" (CASE tools?). However, tools cannot fix a bad process. Also, tool support for HAL/S (the Shuttle Language) is somewhat limited. 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated ""Level 5"" by a NASA team. This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. 4. Feel free to call me if you or your organization is interested in more info on our software development process. Bret Wingert (713)-282-7534 FAX: (713)-282-8077 Bret Wingert (713)-282-7534 FAX: (713)-282-8077 " 1054,16,"From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) Subject: Armed Citizen - April '93 Nntp-Posting-Host: hound Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" Distribution: usa Lines: 150 THE ARMED CITIZEN +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The Armed Citizen. Shooting usually can be justified only where crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life or limb or, in some circumstances, property. The accounts below are from clippings sent in by NRA members. Anyone is free to quote or reproduce them. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Retired Las Vegas deputy police chief Larry Bolden initially tried to defend himself with a steering wheel bar lock when a criminal attacked him in his car. But then the intruder wrestled it from him, Bolden pulled his pistol and fired several times, wounding his attacker and stopping the incident. ""He was just a citizen defending himself,"" a police official said. (The Review-Journal, Las Vegas, Nev., 11/11/92) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== A pair of teenaged robbers armed with a sawed-off shotgun and handguns took the day's receipts from Brooklyn bodega owner Hector Martinez. As they made their getaway, Martinez grabbed his registered 12-gauge shotgun and gave chase. When one fired, Martinez returned three blasts, slightly wounding his assailants. They fled but were apprehended when they sought medical attention. (Newsday, Long Island, N.Y., 01/05/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== A sign posted on the door of Roman Paras' shop reads ""The owners of this property are armed and highly skilled to protect life, liberty and property from criminal attack."" Apparently, a pair of robbers didn't pause to read it as they threatened Paras' wife in their Oxnard, Calif., convenience store. Hearing her scream, Paras grabbed his .38, ran to the front of the store and shot it out with the masked and armed men, killing one criminal. (The Times, Los Angeles, Calif., 12/04/92) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Anne Marie Sullivan was showering in her Portland, Oreg., home one morning when she heard the front door crash in. She jumped out of the shower in time to see a man entering the home. Running to the bedroom, Sullivan retrieved her boyfriend's pistol and fired two shots, mortally wounding the intruder. The dead man had a lengthy police and prison record. (The Oregonian, Portland, Oreg., 01/07/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Mike Baranelli would have let two robbers who burst into a Birmingham, Ala., barber shop keep his money. But the 75-year-old retired teacher was unwilling to surrender his life. When the intruders ordered Baranelli, the shop owner, and another man to lie on the floor, Baranelli pulled his pistol and shot both men in the head, killing one. ""I felt sure there was going to be three dead people in there. I think I had some divine help,"" Baranelli said. (The Sunday Advertiser, Montgomery, Ala., 01/03/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Believing an elderly Harvey, Ill., couple would again be easy prey, a knife-wielding home invader instead met death when the 76-year-old homeowner loosed three rounds from a semi-automatic pistol. Police said the dead man had been charged several times for thefts from the couple's home. (The Star, Chicago Heights, Ill., 01/07/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== The criminal's profile was scheduled to appear on ""America's Most Wanted,"" but his shot at fame was abruptly canceled by a Hallandale, Fla., service station clerk. The Michigan prison escapee walked into the station and announced a robbery. Instead of cash, he got bullets in the head and chest from station clerk Gary McVey. Police said McVey acted in self-defense and would not face charges. (The Sun-Sentinel, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., 12/04/92) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== A Bridgeport, Conn., oil delivery man handed over the few dollars he had. But the thug, apparently unsatisfied with his take, turned his gun on his victim and demanded more money. Instead of more cash, the deliveryman instead pulled his own pistol and fired, mortally wounding the robber. Police said the dead man had held up a nearby market just before the fatal incident. (The Courant, Hartford, Conn., 01/13/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== After repeated burglaries at her San Marcos, Calif., home, Joan Vessel, 64, was ready with a .38 and a cordless phone when she heard glass breaking one afternoon. When she found two teenagers attempting to get into her woodshed, Vessel fired a warning shot over their heads, marched them into the front yard and called police. (The Times Advocate, Escondido, Calif., 12/25/92) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Angry that his auto insurance had been canceled, a client used brass knuckles to take it out on Brandon, Fla., agent Steven Taylor. When his assailant walked out of the office, Taylor grabbed a pistol kept there and held the former client at gun- point until police arrived. (The Tribune, Tampa, Fla., 01/14/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Dozing one evening at his Exeter, Pa., office, Jim Pisano was awakened by the barking of his dog. Sitting in stunned amazement, he watched as two men smashed out his office window, reached in and grabbed one of his hunting rifles. Reaching a pistol on his desk, Pisano fired several shots, apparently wounding one of the burglars, and putting them to flight. (The Times-Leader, Wilkes-Barre, Pa., 12/09/92) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Trying on a pair of shoes was just an act for a criminal who then pulled a knife and demanded money. When the man advanced, the Flint, Mich., shoestore owner drew his pistol and fired, critically wounding the would-be robber. (The Journal, Flint, Mich., 01/13/93) ================================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ================================================================== Disarmed and pistol whipped after struggling with a pair of shotgun-toting thugs, Brooklyn, N.Y., pharmacist Soel Melero continued fighting and managed to retrieve a second-also licensed- hidden pistol. Firing three times, the druggist killed one of his assailants. The other fled empty-handed. (The Daily News, New York, N.Y., 01/18/93) ================================================================== -- ************************************************************* *Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * *Senior Customer Engineer * *Intergraph Electronics * *381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * *Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * ************************************************************* " 1055,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >No, that's just what you thought the theory meant. While all humans >>are generally capable of overpowering their instincts, it does not >>follow that those who do this often are necessarily more intelligent. >Ok, so why aren't animals ""generally capable of overpowering their instincts""? Good question. I'm sure some biologist could answer better than I, but animals brains are just set up differently. Animals *can* be trained, but if they're instincts serve them well, there is no reason to contradict them. keith " 1056,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr18.183148.4802@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: > I think ""house Jews,"" a reference to a person of Jewish >ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that >condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint. I believe that CPR is himself such a ""house Jew"". -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1057,14,"From: higgins@fnala.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: NASA Ames server (was Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnala.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr26.152722.19887@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@jsc.nasa.gov (Ken Jenks [NASA]) writes: > I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu. [...] > Sorry it took > me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server, > but it's out of space. How ironic. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | ""Treat your password like Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | your toothbrush. Don't let Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | anybody else use it-- Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | and get a new one every SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | six months."" --Cliff Stoll " 1058,6,"From: rwrona@cbnewse.cb.att.com (robert.wrona) Subject: TOWNHOME for sale in WHEATON Organization: AT&T Keywords: townhome, wheaton, sale... Lines: 47 TOWNHOME FOR SALE IN WHEATON Briarcliffe Lakes of Wheaton Just North Of Butterfield Road Call (708) 682-8222 and ask for Harriet Bode (Prudential Realty) Description: A very neat, well cared for, low maintenance starter coach home in very fine condition located on a cul-de-sac . Just move in. Rooms:(5+1) - Eat in kitchen (10.3 X 9.2) - Large master bedroom (12.6 X 12.6) - Spare Bedroom (12.6 X 10) - Dining Room (10.9 X 9) - Living Room (21 X 11.10) - Utility Room (10 X 5.5) - 1.25 Baths Appliances: - Stove(gas), refrigerator and dish washer - Garage opener - Washer and Dryer - Garbage Disposal - Gas water heater (3 Years Old) - Central A/C with DIGITAL Thermostat. Highlights: - Electric Fire Place in living room. - Sliding glass doors which open up to a patio with a secluded back yard area. - Plenty of storage space with patio storage closet and storage closet in garage. - New ceiling fan in Dining Room, - Completely remodeled bathroom (new wallpaper, shower door, shower tile, etc...) - Mini blinds for all windows - Newer carpets (beige) (About 3 Years old) - One car garage and plenty of guest parking Association Fees: $105.90 which includes the following: - Lawn Maintenance - Snow Removal - All Exterior building maintenance Taxes 1992: $1,700 ASKING PRICE OF HOME: $91,900 " 1059,13,"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter, Part 2/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 708 ------------- cut here ----------------- HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 13 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Gonorrhea -- Colorado, 1985-1992 ================================ SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 The number of reported cases of gonorrhea in Colorado increased 19.9% from 1991 to 1992 after declining steadily during the 1980s. In comparison, in the United States, reported cases of gonorrhea in 1992 continued an overall decreasing trend (1). This report summarizes an analysis of the increase in gonorrhea in Colorado in 1992 and characterizes trends in the occurrence of this disease from 1985 through 1992. In 1992, 4679 cases of gonorrhea were reported to the Colorado Department of Health (CDH) compared with 3901 cases reported in 1991. During 1992, reported cases increased 22.7% and 17.5% among females and males, respectively (Table 1). Similar increases occurred among blacks, whites, and Hispanics (15.6%, 15.1%, and 15.9%, respectively); however, the number of reported cases with race not specified increased 88% from 1991 to 1992 and constituted 9.7% of all reported cases in 1992. Although the largest proportional increases by age groups occurred among persons aged 35-44 years (80.4%) and greater than or equal to 45 years (87.7%), these age groups accounted for only 11.0% of all reported cases in 1992. Persons in the 15-19-year age group accounted for the largest number of reported cases of gonorrhea during 1992 and the highest age group-specific rate (639 per 100,000). Reported cases of gonorrhea increased 32.9% in the five-county Denver metropolitan area (1990 population: 1,629,466) but decreased elsewhere in the state (Table 1). Half the cases of gonorrhea in the Denver metropolitan area occurred in 8.4% (34) of the census tracts; these represent neighborhoods considered by sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)/acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) field staff to be the focus of gang and drug activity. When compared with 1991, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed among men in the Denver Metro Health Clinic (DMHC, the primary public STD clinic in the Denver metropolitan area) increased 33% in 1992, and the number of visits by males to the clinic increased 2.4%. Concurrently, the number of cases diagnosed among women increased by 1%. Among self-identified heterosexual men, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed at DMHC increased 33% and comprised 94% of all cases diagnosed in males, while the number of cases diagnosed among self-identified homosexual men remained low (71 and 74 in 1991 and 1992, respectively). Four selected laboratories in the metropolitan Denver area (i.e., HMO, university hospital, nonprofit family planning, and commercial) were contacted to determine whether gonorrhea culture-positivity rates increased. Gonorrhea culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories contacted increased 23%-33% from 1991 to 1992, while the rate was virtually unchanged in the fourth (i.e., nonprofit family planning). From 1985 through 1991, reported cases of gonorrhea among whites and Hispanics in Colorado decreased; in comparison, reported cases among blacks HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 14 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 increased since 1988 (Figure 1). During 1988-1992, the population in Colorado increased 9.9% for blacks, 9.8% for Hispanics, and 4.5% for whites. In 1992, the gonorrhea rate for blacks (1935 per 100,000 persons) was 57 times that for whites (34 per 100,000) and 12 times that for Hispanics (156 per 100,000) (Table 1). Among black females, reported cases of gonorrhea increased from 1988 through 1992 in the 15-19-year age group; among black males, cases increased from 1989 through 1992 in both the 15-19-and 20-24-year age groups. Reported by: KA Gershman, MD, JM Finn, NE Spencer, MSPH, STD/AIDS Program; RE Hoffman, MD, State Epidemiologist, Colorado Dept of Health. JM Douglas, MD, Denver Dept of Health and Hospitals. Surveillance and Information Systems Br, Div of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and HIV Prevention, National Center for Prevention Svcs, CDC. Editorial Note: The increase in reported gonorrhea cases in Colorado in 1992 may represent an overall increase in the occurrence of this disease or more complete reporting stimulated by visitations to laboratories by CDH surveillance staff during 1991-1992. The increases in confirmed gonorrhea cases at DMHC and in culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories suggest a real increase in gonorrhea rather than a reporting artifact. However, the stable culture-positivity rate in the nonprofit family planning laboratory (which serves a network of clinics statewide) indicates that the gonorrhea increase did not uniformly affect all segments of the population. One possible explanation for the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado may be gang- and drug-related sexual behavior, as implicated in a recent outbreak of drug-resistant gonorrhea and other STDs in Colorado Springs (2). Although the high morbidity census tracts in the Denver metropolitan area coincide with areas of gang and drug activity, this hypothesis requires further assessment. To examine the possible role of drug use -- implicated previously as a factor contributing to the national increase in syphilis (3-6) -- the CDH STD/AIDS program is collecting information from all persons in whom gonorrhea is diagnosed regarding drug use, exchange of sex for money or drugs, and gang affiliation. The gonorrhea rate for blacks in Colorado substantially exceeds the national health objective for the year 2000 (1300 per 100,000) (objective 19.1a) (7). Race is likely a risk marker rather than a risk factor for gonorrhea and other STDs. Risk markers may be useful for identifying groups at greatest risk for STDs and for targeting prevention efforts. Moreover, race- specific variation in STD rates may reflect differences in factors such as socioeconomic status, access to medical care, and high-risk behaviors. In response to the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado, interventions initiated by the CDH STD/AIDS program include 1) targeting partner notification in the Denver metropolitan area to persons in groups at increased risk (e.g., 15-19-year-old black females and 20-24-year-old black males); 2) implementing a media campaign (e.g., public service radio HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 15 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 announcements, signs on city buses, newspaper advertisements, and posters in schools and clinics) to promote awareness of STD risk and prevention targeted primarily at high-risk groups, and 3) developing teams of peer educators to perform educational outreach in high-risk neighborhoods. The educational interventions are being developed and implemented with the assistance of members of the target groups and with input from a forum of community leaders and health-care providers. References 1. CDC. Table II. Cases of selected notifiable diseases, United States, weeks ending December 26, 1992, and December 28, 1991 (52nd week). MMWR 1993;41:975. 2. CDC. Gang-related outbreak of penicillinase-producing Neisseria gonorrhoeae and other sexually transmitted diseases -- Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1989- 1991. MMWR 1993;42:25-8. 3. CDC. Relationship of syphilis to drug use and prostitution -- Connecticut and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. MMWR 1988;37:755-8, 764. 4. Rolfs RT, Goldberg M, Sharrar RG. Risk factors for syphilis: cocaine use and prostitution. Am J Public Health 1990;80:853-7. 5. Andrus JK, Fleming DW, Harger DR, et al. Partner notification: can it control epidemic syphilis? Ann Intern Med 1990;112:539-43. 6. Gershman KA, Rolfs RT. Diverging gonorrhea and syphilis trends in the 1980s: are they real? Am J Public Health 1991;81:1263-7. 7. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and disease prevention objectives--full report, with commentary. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91-50212. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 16 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Effectiveness in Disease and Injury Prevention Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Restraint Use Among Children less than 11 Years of Age -- Selected States, 1988 and 1989 ====================================================== SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Motor-vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among children and young adults in the United States and account for more than 1 million years of potential life lost before age 65 annually (1). Child safety seats and safety belts can substantially reduce this loss (2). From 1977 through 1985, all 50 states passed legislation requiring the use of child safety seats or safety belts for children. Although these laws reduce injuries to young children by an estimated 8%-59% (3,4), motor-vehicle crash-related injuries remain a major cause of disability and death among U.S. children (1), while the use of occupant restraints among children decreases inversely with age (84% usage for those aged 0-4 years; 57%, aged 5-11 years; and 29%, aged 12-18 years) (5). In addition, parents who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to use restraints for their children (6). To characterize the association between adult safety-belt use and adult-reported consistent use of occupant restraints for the youngest child aged less than 11 years within a household, CDC analyzed data obtained from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) during 1988 and 1989. This report summarizes the findings from this study. Data were available for 20,905 respondents aged greater than or equal to 18 years in 11 states * that participated in BRFSS -- a population-based, random-digit-dialed telephone survey -- and administered a standard Injury Control and Child Safety Module developed by CDC. Of these respondents, 5499 (26%) had a child aged less than 11 years in their household. Each respondent was asked to specify the child's age and the frequency of restraint use for that child. The two categories of child restraint and adult safety-belt use in this analysis were 1) consistent use (i.e., always buckle up) and 2) less than consistent use (i.e., almost always, sometimes, rarely, or never buckle up). Data were weighted to provide estimates representative of each state. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (7) was used to calculate point estimates and confidence intervals. Statistically significant differences were defined by p values of less than 0.05. Each of the 11 states had some type of child restraint law. Of these, six (Arizona, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and West Virginia) had no law requiring adults to use safety belts; four (Idaho, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Washington) had a secondary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., a vehicle had to be stopped for a traffic violation before a citation for nonuse of safety belts could be issued); and one state (New York) had a primary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., vehicles could be stopped for a safety-belt law violation alone). In nine states, child-passenger protection HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 17 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 laws included all children aged less than 5 years, but the other two states used both age and size of the child as criteria for mandatory restraint use. The analysis in this report subgrouped states into 1) those having a law requiring adult safety-belt use (law states), and 2) those without such a law (no-law states). Overall, 21% of children aged less than 11 years reportedly were not consistently restrained during automobile travel. Both child restraint use and adult restraint use were significantly higher (p less than 0.05, chi-square test) in law states than in no-law states (81.1% versus 74.3% and 58.7% versus 43.2%, respectively). High rates of restraint use for children aged less than or equal to 1 year were reported by both adults indicating consistent and less than consistent safety-belt use (Figure 1). Adults with consistent use reported high rates of child-occupant restraint use regardless of the child's age (range: 95.5% for 1-year-olds to 84.7% for 10-year-olds). In comparison, for adults reporting less than consistent safety-belt use, the rate of child- occupant restraint use declined sharply by the age of the child (range: 93.1% for 1-year-olds to 28.8% for 10-year-olds). When comparing children of consistent adult safety-belt users with children of less than consistent adult safety-belt users, 95% confidence intervals overlap for the two youngest age groups (i.e., aged less than 1 and 1 year). Reported child-occupant restraint use in law states generally exceeded that in no-law states, regardless of age of child (Table 1). In addition, higher adult educational attainment was significantly associated with increased restraint use for children, a factor that has also been associated with increased adult safety-belt use (8). Reported by: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control; National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC. Editorial Note: The findings in this report are consistent with others indicating that adults who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to employ occupant restraints for their children (6,9). Because these nonbelted adults are at increased risk of crashing and more likely to exhibit other risk-taking behaviors, children traveling with them may be at greater risk for motor-vehicle injury (10). Educational attainment of adult respondents was inversely associated with child restraint use in this report. Accordingly, occupant-protection programs should be promoted among parents with low educational attainment. Because low educational attainment is often associated with low socioeconomic status, such programs should be offered to adults through health-care facilities that serve low-income communities or through federal programs (i.e., Head Start) that are directed at parents with young children. Injury-prevention programs emphasize restraining young children. In addition, however, efforts must be intensified to protect child occupants as HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 18 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 they become older. Parents, especially those with low educational attainment, those who do not consistently wear safety belts, and those from states that do not have mandatory safety-belt use laws, should be encouraged to wear safety belts and to protect their children by using approved child safety seats and safety belts. Finally, the increased use of restraints among children may increase their likelihood of using safety belts when they become teenagers -- the age group characterized by the lowest rate of safety-belt use and the highest rate of fatal crashes (5). References 1. CDC. Childhood injuries in the United States. Am J Dis Child 1990;144:627- 46. 2. Partyka SC. Papers on child restraints: effectiveness and use. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1988; report no. DOT-HS-807-286. 3. Guerin D, MacKinnon D. An assessment of the California child passenger restraint requirement. Am J Public Health 1985;75:142-4. 4. Hall W, Orr B, Suttles D, et al. Progress report on increasing child restraint usage through local education and distribution programs. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Highway Safety Research Center, 1983. 5. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Occupant protection trends in 19 cities. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1991. 6. Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ, Margolis LH. Characteristics of child safety seat users. Accid Anal Prev 1988;20:311-22. 7. Shah BV, Barnwell BG, Hunt PN, LaVange LM. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.50 Software documentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1991. 8. Lund AK. Voluntary seat belt use among U.S. drivers: geographic, socioeconomic and demographic variation. Accid Anal Prev 1986;18:43-50. 9. Margolis LH, Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ. Use and misuse of automobile child restraint devices. Am J Dis Child 1992;146:361-6. 10. Hunter WW, Stutts JC, Stewart JR, Rodgman EA. Characteristics of seatbelt users and non-users in a state with a mandatory use law. Health Education HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 19 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Research 1990;5:161-73. * Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and West Virginia. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 20 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ========================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Since 1983, CDC has published the CDC Surveillance Summaries under separate cover as part of the MMWR series. Each report published in the CDC Surveillance Summaries focuses on public health surveillance; surveillance findings are reported for a broad range of risk factors and health conditions. Summaries for each of the reports published in the most recent (March 19, 1993) issue of the CDC Surveillance Summaries (1) are provided below. All subscribers to MMWR receive the CDC Surveillance Summaries, as well as the MMWR Recommendations and Reports, as part of their subscriptions. SURVEILLANCE FOR AND COMPARISON OF BIRTH DEFECT PREVALENCES IN TWO GEOGRAPHIC AREAS -- UNITED STATES, 1983-88 Problem/Condition: CDC and some states have developed surveillance systems to monitor the birth prevalence of major defects. Reporting Period Covered: This report covers birth defects surveillance in metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia, and selected jurisdictions in California for the years 1983-1988. Description of System: The California Birth Defects Monitoring Program and the Metropolitan Atlanta Congenital Defects Program are two population- based surveillance systems that employ similar data collection methods. The prevalence estimates for 44 diagnostic categories were based on data for 1983- 1988 for 639,837 births in California and 152,970 births in metropolitan Atlanta. The prevalences in the two areas were compared, adjusting for race, sex, and maternal age by using Poisson regression. Results: Regional differences in the prevalence of aortic stenosis, fetal alcohol syndrome, hip dislocation/dysplasia, microcephalus, obstruction of the kidney/ureter, and scoliosis/lordosis may be attributable to general diagnostic variability. However, differences in the prevalences of arm/hand limb reduction, encephalocele, spina bifida, or trisomy 21 (Down syndrome) are probably not attributable to differences in ascertainment, because these defects are relatively easy to diagnose. Interpretation: Regional differences in prenatal diagnosis and pregnancy termination may affect prevalences of trisomy 21 and spina bifida. However, the reason for differences in arm/hand reduction is unknown, but may be related to variability in environmental exposure, heterogeneity in the gene pool, or random variation. Actions Taken: Because of the similarities of these data bases, several collaborative studies are being implemented. In particular, the differences in the birth prevalence of spina bifida and Down syndrome will focus attention on the impact of prenatal diagnosis. Authors: Jane Schulman, Ph.D., Nancy HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 21 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Jensvold, M.P.H, Gary M. Shaw, Dr.P.H., California Birth Defects Monitoring Program, March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation. Larry D. Edmonds, M.S.P.H., Anne B. McClearn, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, National Center for Environmental Health, CDC. INFLUENZA -- UNITED STATES, 1988-89 Problem/Condition: CDC monitors the emergence and spread of new influenza virus variants and the impact of influenza on morbidity and mortality annually from October through May. Reporting Period Covered: This report covers U.S. influenza surveillance conducted from October 1988 through May 1989. Description of System: Weekly reports from the vital statistics offices of 121 cities provided an index of influenza's impact on mortality; 58 WHO collaborating laboratories reported weekly identification of influenza viruses; weekly morbidity reports were received both from the state and territorial epidemiologists and from 153 sentinel family practice physicians. Nonsystematic reports of outbreaks and unusual illnesses were received throughout the year. Results: During the 1988-89 influenza season, influenza A(H1N1) and B viruses were identified in the United States with essentially equal frequency overall, although both regional and temporal patterns of predominance shifted over the course of the season. Throughout the season increases in the indices of influenza morbidity in regions where influenza A(H1N1) predominated were similar to increases in regions where influenza B predominated. Only 7% of identified viruses were influenza A(H3N2), but isolations of this subtype increased as the season waned, and it subsequently predominated during the 1989-90 season. During the 1988-89 season outbreaks in nursing homes were reported in association with influenza B and A(H3N2) but not influenza A(H1N1). Interpretation: The alternating temporal and geographic predominance of influenza strains A(H1N1) and B during the 1988-89 season emphasizes the importance of continual attention to regional viral strain surveillance, since amantadine is effective only for treatment and prophylaxis of influenza A. Actions Taken: Weekly interim analyses of surveillance data produced throughout the season allow physicians and public health officials to make informed choices regarding appropriate use of amantadine. CDC's annual surveillance allows the observed viral variants to be assessed as candidates for inclusion as components in vaccines used in subsequent influenza seasons. Authors: Louisa E. Chapman, M.D., M.S.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Margaret A. Tipple, M.D., Division of Quarantine, National Center for Prevention Services, CDC. Suzanne Gaventa Folger, M.P.H., Health Investigations Branch, Division of Health Studies, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Maurice Harmon, Ph.D., Connaught HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 22 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Laboratories, Pasteur-Mirieux Company, Swiftwater, Pennsylvania. Alan P. Kendal, Ph.D., European Regional Office, World Health Organization, Copenhagen, Denmark. Nancy J. Cox, Ph.D., Influenza Branch, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Lawrence B. Schonberger, M.D., M.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC. Reference 1. CDC. CDC surveillance summaries (March 19). MMWR 1993;42(no. SS-1). HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 23 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Clinical Research News :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Clinical Research News for Arizona Physicians Vol. 4, No. 4, April 1993 Tucson, Arizona Published monthly by the Office of Public Affairs at The University of Arizona Health Sciences Center. Copyright 1993, The University of Arizona High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies Following the birth of the first in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF- ET) baby in 1978, a host of assisted reproductive technologies have been developed that include IVF-ET, gamete intrafallopian tube transfer (GIFT), embryo cryopreservation (freezing) and gamete micromanipulation. Together, these technologies are referred to as the high-tech assisted reproductive technology (ART) procedures. Ovulation induction, sperm insemination and surgery for tubal disease and/or pathology still are the mainstays of the therapies available for infertility management. However, when these fail, it almost always is appropriate to proceed with one of the ART procedures. Therefore, in addition to a comprehensive basic and general infertility service at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility, there is a program of Assisted Reproduction that specializes in ART procedures. This program serves as a tertiary provider for those patients in the state of Arizona whose infertility problems cannot be resolved by the traditional therapies. The following article (on back) describes the ART procedures available in our Center, clarifies appropriate applications for each, and considers the realistic expectations for their success. Procedures included are: o in vitro o fertilization - embryo transfer (IVF-ET), gamete intrafallopian tube transfer o (GIFT), cryopreservation of human embryos and gamete micromanipulation. This article also considers ongoing research in our program that is directed towards improved success of these technologies. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 24 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Future Areas of Research In addition to ongoing research that is directed exclusively toward the management of infertile couples, we are developing the technology to assist couples who are at risk for producing embryos with a serious hereditary disease. This technology involves biopsying the preimplantation human embryo and then subjecting the biopsied cells to genetic analysis using either DNA amplification or fluorescent in situ hybridization. There are recent reports of the successful application of DNA amplification by other centers, for example, for diagnosis of the genes for cystic fibrosis and hemophilia. We hope to apply and further focus fluorescent in situ hybridization technology for probing the X chromosome, the identification of which will provide a scientific basis for counselling patients who exhibit sex-linked disorders. The considerable clinical application of such technology lies in the fact that it circumvents the need for prenatal diagnosis, in addition to the possibility of a subsequent termination of affected fetuses, in order to avoid the birth of affected children. Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Director of Research Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology College of Medicine University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona Applications, Success Rates and Advances for the Management of Infertility The following are the ART procedures available at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility. In Vitro Fertilization - Embryo Transfer is the core ART procedure of our Assisted Reproduction Program. This procedure involves retrieval of unfertilized eggs from the ovary, their insemination in vitro in a dish, and the culture of resultant embryos for 1 or 2 days, before they are transferred to the patient's uterus. All cultures are maintained in an incubator under strictly controlled atmospheric and temperature conditions. Before being processed for use in insemination, semen samples are evaluated in our andrology laboratory using both subjective light microscopy and computer- HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 25 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 assisted semen analyses. To ensure an adequate number of eggs with which to perform IVF-ET, or indeed, GIFT, follicular development is typically stimulated, with gonadotropins (perganol, metrodin), gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH, Factrel, lutrepulse) and/or GnRH analogues (lupron, Depo lupron, synarel). Occasionally, however, IVF-ET is accomplished with eggs obtained in non-stimulated cycles. While some programs utilize laparoscopic egg retrieval in the operating room with the patient under general anesthesia, we undertake the less costly approach of ultrasound-guided retrieval in our Infertility Unit, with the patient sedated. Couples who resort to IVF-ET exhibit such pathologies as tubal deficiencies, ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, and/or mild forms of male factor infertility. According to the United States IVF Registry, the overall success rate for IVF-ET nationwide has stabilized at about 14 percent per cycle. Results from our program, involving 86 patients who have undergone 173 IVF-ET cycles, reflect a comparable success rate. Nevertheless, the overall incidence of success with this procedure is disconcertingly low and emphasizes the need to address those physiological factors that limit achievement of a higher percentage of pregnancies. Well recognized predictors of outcome include patient age, response to exogenous ovarian stimulation, quality of sperm and number of repeated IVF-ET cycle attempts. However, among these, age is the single most significant determinant of conception. Therefore, it is critical that such patients are referred to an Assisted Reproduction Program at the earliest opportunity following failure of traditional therapies. The underlying basis for the negative effect of age on fertility has not been clearly delineated beyond recognition that: 1) the number of eggs available for retrieval declines markedly with age; 2) fertilization rates significantly decrease in eggs retrieved from patients who are over 40 years; and 3) provided the appropriate hormonal background is present, age is unrelated to uterine competency to sustain pregnancy. Ongoing research in our Center, therefore, is investigating physiological changes in the egg that may be impacted by age. We have determined that more than 50 percent of eggs that fail to fertilize in vitro are chromosomally abnormal, and that a significant proportion of these abnormalities are accountable to patient age. Currently, the only recourse for such patients is to use eggs obtained from a donor. Our program has initiated recruitment of volunteer egg donors to satisfy the needs of a list of recipients interested in this form of therapy. GIFT - This high-tech ART procedure is performed in the operating room, usually with the use of a laparoscope and, in contrast to IVF-ET, involves introducing sperm and freshly retrieved eggs into the lumen of the Fallopian tube (an average of 3 eggs/tube). Under these circumstances, fertilization occurs in vivo and, if excess eggs are retrieved, the remainder undergo IVF, with subsequent options for embryo transfer in that cycle, or freezing for transfer in a subsequent cycle. This ART procedure is applied to cases in HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 26 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 which there is at least one patent Fallopian tube but the couple has such pathologies as ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, male factor infertility and/or idiopathic infertility. The data reported in the United States IVF Registry for 1985 through 1990 indicate that the overall success rate with GIFT is higher than that obtained with the IVF-ET technique (range of clinical pregnancies for GIFT is 24 to 36 percent and for IVF-ET 14 to 18 percent). In view of this fact, one might expect more patients to be treated with GIFT than IVF-ET. However, in our program we have taken into account three basic concerns which, while substantially reducing the number of GIFT cycles performed, benefit the patient. These concerns are: 1) the increased costs associated with performing a procedure in the operating room; 2) the risks, albeit minimal, of undergoing general anesthesia; and 3) the considerable benefits to be accrued from obtaining direct information on the quality and fertilizability of the eggs, and the developmental competency of resultant embryos. The increased success with GIFT undoubtedly reflects the artificial environment provided by the laboratory in the IVF-ET procedure. Between January 1, 1991, and December 31, 1992, we have performed a total of 12 GIFT cycles, with an overall success rate of 20 percent. Embryo cryopreservation, or freezing, is applied in our program when embryos result from residual GIFT eggs or from non-transferred IVF embryos. This procedure not only provides patients with a subsequent opportunity for success at much reduced costs, but also circumvents the legal and ethical issues relating to disposal of supernumerary embryos. Therefore, as stipulated by the American Fertility Society ethical guidelines for ART programs, from both a practical and an ethical standpoint, all Assisted Reproduction programs should have the capability of cryopreserving human embrys. Gamete Micromanipulation - This ART procedure, which is still very new, is applied to couples who are unaccepting of insemination with donor semen but who have severe male factor infertility (less than 10 million sperm/ml in combination with fewer than 20 perccent motile sperm, and/or less than 10 percent sperm with normal morphology). We are currently developing the procedure of sub-zonal insertion (SZI), which entails injecting sperm under the coating around the egg, the barrier normally penetrated by the sperm through enzymatic digestion. Available data from SZI programs world-wide indicate that only 5 to 10 percent of SZI cycles result in a pregnancy. This statistic undoubtedly relates to limitations imposed by abnormalities inherent in the sperm. Therefore, we are currently focusing on the development of improved techniques for the recognition and selection of sperm chosen for manipulation. Such efforts are unquestionably worthwhile in view of the fact that this technology offers the only realistic opportunity for severe male factor patients to establish conception. Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 27 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Associate Professor and Director of Research Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology College of Medicine --------- end of part 2 ------------ --- Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na " 1060,10,From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.214902.3372@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: ... >>HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? ... > III.Kevin Stevens > A.Fighting > 1.Call Bob Probert > 2.Call Tie Domi > 3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass) > Yeah...I've seen you're grand mother...I bet she could. Joseph Stiehm 1061,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr16.164638.27218@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: > In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. # #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. # #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, # #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that # #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general # #male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for # #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically # #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. # # Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married? Marriage isn't a requirement for a couple staying together. # What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession # with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent # hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache. # # (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours. # # ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! Yes you are. When you and the rest of the homosexual community pass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to hire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against my will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying to impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 1062,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Legality of the Jewish Purchase Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 104 In article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Adam Shostack writes: >> Sam Zbib writes > >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by > >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive > >>state, as a hostile action leading to war. >> It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an >> exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have >> 400 000 arab citizens. >Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of >Israel right after it was formed. 100% Israeli citizens. The ethnic composition depends on what you mean by formed. What the UN deeded to Israel? What it won in war? >> And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile >> action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing >> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It >> is not a hostile action leading to war. >No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. >Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about >anti-trust in the business world. Were there anti-trust laws in place in mandatory Palestine? Since the answer is no, you're argument, while interestingly constructed, is irrelevant. I will however, respond to a few points you assert in the course of talking about anti-trust laws. >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. And those fleeing Arab lands, where Jews were second class citizens. >Plus they paid fair market value, etc... Jews often paid far more than fair market value for the land they bought. >They did not know they were victims of an international conspiracy. You know, Sam, when people start talking about an International Jewish conspiracy, its really begins to sound like anti-Semitic bull. The reason there is no conspiracy here is quite simple. Zionists made no bones about what was going on. There were conferences, publications, etc, all talking about creating a National home for the Jews. >>>Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it >>>had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid >>>flowing). >> Israel got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It >>still granted citizenship to those arabs who remained. And how >>is granting citizenship a facade? >Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic >within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews). [...] >'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the >arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there. So >yes, they're there. But as a community with history and >roots, its dead. Because you've never heard of it, its dead? The fact is, you claimed Israel had to give arabs rights because of (non-existant) International aid. Then you see that that argument has a hole you could drive a truck through, and again assert that Israel is only democratic within the (unexplained) constraints of one ethnic group. The problem with that argument is that Arabs are allowed to vote for whoever they please. So, please tell me, Sam, what constraints are there on Israeli democracy that don't exist in other democratic states? I've never heard anything about the Khazakistani arab population. Does that mean that they have no history or roots? When I was at Ben Gurion university in Israel, one of my neighbors was an Israeli arab. He wasn't really all that different from my other neighbors. Does that make him dead or oppressed? >I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not >predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no >problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were >predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest >Palestine? How recent is recent? I can probably build a case for a Jewish Gaza city. It would be pretty silly, but I could do it. I'm arguing not that Jerusalem is Jewish, but that land has no ethnicity. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 1063,11,"From: mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu (Marc VanHeyningen) Subject: RIPEM Frequently Noted Vulnerabilities Article-I.D.: usenet.C4qoH8.CHE Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Lines: 163 Content-Type: text/x-usenet-FAQ; version=1.0; title=""RIPEM Attacks"" Originator: mvanheyn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Supersedes: Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Archive-name: ripem/attacks Last-update: 31 Mar 93 21:00:00 -0500 SOME POSSIBLE ATTACKS ON RIPEM ------------------------------ This is a living list of potential weaknesses to keep your eyes open for when using RIPEM for secure electronic mail. It does not go into great detail, and is almost certainly not exhaustive. Obviously, many of the weaknesses are weaknesses of cryptographically secured mail in general, and will pertain to secure mail programs other than RIPEM. It is maintained by Marc VanHeyningen . It is posted monthly to a variety of news groups; followups pertaining specifically to RIPEM should go to alt.security.ripem. CRYPTANALYSIS ATTACKS --------------------- - Breaking RSA would allow an attacker to find out your private key, in which case he could read any mail encrypted to you and sign messages with your private key. RSA is generally believed to be resistant to all standard cryptanalytic techniques. Even a standard key (about 516 bits with RIPEM) is long enough to render this impractical, barring a huge investment in hardware or a breakthrough in factoring. - Breaking DES would allow an attacker to read any given message, since the message itself is encrypted with DES. It would not allow an attacker to claim to be you. DES has only 56 bits in its key, and thus could conceivably be compromised by brute force with sufficient hardware, but few agencies have such money to devote to simply read one message. Since each message has a different DES key, the work for each message would remain high. KEY MANAGEMENT ATTACKS ---------------------- - Stealing your private key would allow the same benefits as breaking RSA. To safeguard it, it is encrypted with a DES key which is derived from a passphrase you type in. However, if an attacker can get a copy of your private keyfile and your passphrase (by snooping network packets, tapping lines, or whatever) he could break the whole scheme. The main risk is that of transferring either the passphrase or the private key file across an untrusted link. So don't do that. Run RIPEM on a trusted machine, preferably one sitting right in front of you. Ideally, your own machine in your own home (or maybe office) which nobody else has physical access to. - Fooling you into accepting a bogus public key for someone else could allow an opponent to deceive you into sending secret messages to him rather than to the real recipient. If the enemy can fool your intended recipient as well, he could re-encrypt the messages with the other bogus public key and pass them along. It is important to get the proper public keys of other people. The most common mechanism for this is finger; assuming the opponent has not compromised routers or daemons or such, finger can be given a fair amount of trust. The strongest method of key authentication is to exchange keys in person; however, this is not always practical. Having other people ""vouch for you"" by signing a statement containing your key is possible, although RIPEM doesn't have features for doing this as automatically as PGP. RIPEM does generate and check MD5 fingerprints of public keys in the key files; they may be exchanged via a separate channel for authentication. PLAYBACK ATTACKS ---------------- - Even if an opponent cannot break the cryptography, an opponent could still cause difficulties. For example, suppose you send a message with MIC-ONLY (a PEM mode which does not provide disclosure protection) to Alice which says ""OK, let's do that."" Your opponent intercepts it, and now resends it to Bob, who now has a message which is authenticated as from you telling him to do that. Of course, he may interpret it in an entirely different context. Or your opponent could transmit the same message to the same recipient much later, figuring it would be seen differently at a later time. Or the opponent could change the Originator-Name: to himself, register your public key as his, and send a message hoping the recipient will send him return mail indicating (perhaps even quoting!) the unknown message. To defeat playback attacks, the plaintext of each message should include some indication of the sender and recipient, and a unique identifier (typically the date). A good front-end script for RIPEM should do this automatically (IMHO). As a recipient, you should be sure that the Originator-Name: header and the sender indicated within the plaintext are the same, that you really are a recipient, and that the message is not an old one. Some this also can and should be automated. The author of this FAQ has made a modest attempt at automating the process of generating and checking encapsulated headers; the programs are included in the standard distribution in the utils directory. LOCAL ATTACKS ------------- - Clearly, the security of RIPEM cannot be greater than the security of the machine where the encryption is performed. For example, under UNIX, a super-user could manage to get at your encrypted mail, although it would take some planning and effort to do something like replace the RIPEM executable with a Trojan horse or to get a copy of the plaintext, depending how it's stored. In addition, the link between you and the machine running RIPEM is an extension of that. If you decrypt with RIPEM on a remote machine which you are connected to via network (or, worse yet, modem), an eavesdropper could see the plaintext (and probably also your passphrase.) RIPEM should only be executed on systems you trust, obviously. In the extreme case, RIPEM should only be used on your own machine, which you have total control over and which nobody else has access to, which has only carefully examined software known to be free of viruses, and so on. However, there's a very real trade-off between convenience and security here. A more moderately cautious user might use RIPEM on a UNIX workstation where other people have access (even root access), but increase security by keeping private keys and the (statically linked, of course) executable on a floppy disk. Some people will keep RIPEM on a multi-user system, but when dialing in over an insecure line, they will download the message to their own system and perform the RIPEM decryption there. However, the security provided by such a mechanism is somewhat illusory; since you presumably type your cleartext password to log in, you've just given away the store, since the attacker can now log in as you and install traps in your account to steal your private key next time you use it from a less insecure line. This will likely remain the situation as long as most systems use the rather quaint mechanism of cleartext password authentication. I find it nice to put a brief statement of how carefully I manage my security arrangement in my .plan next to my public key, so that potential correspondents can be aware what level of precautions are in place. Some people use two keys, a short one which is not carefully managed for ordinary use and a longer one which is treated with greater care for critical correspondence. UNTRUSTED PARTNER ATTACKS ------------------------- - RIPEM's encryption will ensure that only a person with the private key corresponding to the public key used to encrypt the data may read the traffic. However, once someone with that key gets the message, she may always make whatever kind of transformations she wishes. There exist no cryptographic barriers to a recipient, say, taking an ENCRYPTED message and converting it to a MIC-ONLY message, signed by you and readable by anyone, although RIPEM does not provide this functionality. Indeed, the latest PEM draft I have seen specifically states that such transformations should be possible to allow forwarding functions to work. Including the recipients in the plaintext, as mentioned above, will make it possible for recipients of a redistributed message to be aware of its original nature. Naturally, the security of the cryptography can never be greater than the security of the people using it. " 1064,16,"From: yodicet@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE Distribution: usa Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. Lines: 12 In article <93110.11320334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork > to defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves > while watching the TV coverage. > > Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well. > > Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are > a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute. > > > " 1065,5,"From: tommc@hpcvusj.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland) Subject: Re: Mysterious beeping Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvusj.cv.hp.com Reply-To: tommc@cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett Packard UTD-Corvallis Lines: 40 In article , defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes: |> [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] |> [ Author was Andy DeFaria ] |> [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] |> |> For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I |> intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to |> allow ""date"" fields the following special keys: |> |> [Tt]: Insert today's date |> [+=]: Bump day up by one |> [-_]: Bump day down by one |> |> I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an |> XmText field for this. |> |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |> // |> // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys |> // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these |> // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get |> // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and |> // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. |> // |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// code deleted... From the XmTextField man page (during discussion of resources): XmNverifyBell Specifies whether a bell will sound when an action is reversed during a verification callback. You are setting doit to false in the callback, and Text[Field] is beeping as it should. To turn off this behavior, set this boolean resource to false. Tom McFarland " 1066,3,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: tape backup for windows Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com I'm looking for a complete hw/sw solution: I need an ISA/VLB scsi controller (e.g Ultrastor 34F) plus a tape drive (500Mb or less like Archive) plus a Windows program that will work on these. My intended system will have 32Mb RAM so plain ISA controllers will no longer do. But I also hear that the SCSI world is not very organized. So does anybody have a tape backup setup like what I'm looking for ? Please describe it. Thanks. e-mail please. -- marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com " 1067,9,"From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) Subject: G. Williams sent down; Yanks win AL East Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: na Lines: 17 Well, it really isn't this cut and dry, but as a Jay fan the thing I feared worst has happened. The Yanks sent down Williams G and are going to start Williams B in CF. I also believe they kept Wickman and Millitello in their rotation, which is much nicer than that Kaminiecki and Mike Witt combo I thought they'd throw out their to the slaughterhouse because of their ""experience"". Granted, Witt ""might"" be good, but I think that they used rationale to keep the youngsters up and not given the job to Witt because he was a good pitcher and has experience. The Yanks are showing that they are taking positive strides forwards; the Jays with the loss of Dave Stewart are looking at gigantic holes in their pitching staff. The Orioles should also be there in the end..... Gord Niguma (to salvage the season, let JJ Olerud win MVP) " 1068,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <1qm7qoINNqnv@clem.handheld.com> <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) says: > >>>>...I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by >>>> taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting. > >>>That is the recommended way to practice with a CCW, too. Aim alone is no d >goo >>>for defense, if you can't get the gun rapidly. > >>Very true but the way it was being done was just a little unusual. It looked >>to me like they were practicing to shoot someone... The point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with being a gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this area (or in the state of illinois for that matter). This is not to say that people in Illinois don't carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like that when there are other people around wasn't too bright of an idea. > >There isn't necessarily a conflict between practicing with a concealed >weapon for self-defence and practicing to shoot someone. Armed >self-defence does occasionally involve shooting an attacker. > > Frank Crary > CU Boulder I agree. If you don't practice at all and carry a gun for self-defense you most likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise. Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu " 1069,5,"From: schietke@unitas.or.uni-bonn.de (Juergen Schietke) Subject: DIN-Fonts Organization: Research Institute for Discrete Mathematics, Bonn Distribution: de Lines: 25 Hello everybody, I hope that I insert the right Options, so that my question is only distributed through out Germany, because my question is more or less country dependend. Now the question: Is there anybody who can tell my if (and of course where) there is a ftp-site/archie (or whatever) where DIN fonts for X are available. I am looking for fonts holding the specification: DIN 16 DIN 6776 DIN V 40950 Thanks in advance Juergen Schietke Research Insitute for Discrete Mathematics University of Bonn Nassestr. 2 5300 Bonn 1 (Germany) Tel: +49 0228 738786 E-Mail: schietke@or.uni-bonn.de " 1070,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 65 Jim Perry (perry@dsinc.com) wrote: : }Xenophobia, both *de facto* and *de jure* as implemented : }in legal systems, is widespread, while the Bible, : }although not 100% egalitarian, specifically preaches : }kindness to the stranger, and emphasizes in the Book : }of Ruth, that a foreigner can join the nation and : }give rise to one of the great heroes of the nation. : : Clearly better than the alternative, but as an American what strikes : me as strange about this story is that it should have even been : considered an issue. Jim, There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. There is no need for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is determnined. This would also have to include human intelligence of course and all its products. There is nothing requiring that life evolve or that it acquire intelligence, it's just a happy accident. For an atheist, no event can be preferred to another or be said to have more or less value than another in any naturalistic sense, and no thought -about- an event can have value. The products of our intelligence are acquired from our environment, from teaching, training, observation and experience and are only significant to the individual mind wherein they reside. These mental processes and the images they produce for us are just electrical activity and nothing more; content is of no consequence. The human mind is as much a response to natural forces as water running down a hill. How then can an atheist judge value? What is the basis for criticizing the values ennumerated in the Bible or the purposes imputed to God? On what grounds can the the behavior of the reliogious be condemned? It seems that, in judging the values that motivate others to action, you have to have some standard against which conduct is measured, but what in nature can serve that purpose? What law of nature can you invoke to establish your values. Since every event is entirely and exclusively a physical event, what difference could it possibly make what -anyone- does, religious or otherwise, there can be no -meaning- or gradation of value. The only way an atheist can object to -any- behaviour is to admit that the objection is entirely subjective and that he(she) just doesn't like it - that's it. Any value judgement must be prefaced by the disclaimer that it is nothing more than a matter of personal opinion and carries no weight in any ""absolute"" sense. That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction. That your objections -seem- well founded is due to the way you've been conditioned; there is no ""truth"" content. The whole of your intellectual landscape is an illusion, a virtual reality. I didn't make these rules, it's inherent in naturalistic atheism and to be consistent, you have to accept the non-significance of any human thought, even your own. All of this being so, you have excluded yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil, etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no weight whatsoever. Bill " 1071,18,"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Distribution: usa Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes: >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about >how people need to take personal responsibility for their >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor >people are just too dumb to think for themselves? > >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family >and support systems in general among this nation's poor. >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at >the top of any sane person's list. > >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called >""relevant"" or ""values"" education. Hey, it seemed like a good >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real >education first--I mean, we took that for granted. The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible. The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of brats. Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969. Apollo 11 and Woodstock. Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.). And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage, no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems .... -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) " 1072,15,"From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 38 {Dan Johnson asked for evidence that the most effective abuse recovery programs involve meeting people's spiritual needs. I responded: In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.} Dan Johnson clarified: >What I was asking is this: > >Please show me that the most effective substance-absure recovery >programs involve meetinsg peoples' spiritual needs, rather than >merely attempting to fill peoples' spiritual needs as percieved >by the people, A.A, S.R.C. regulars, or snoopy. You are asking me to provide objective proof for the existence of God. I never claimed to be able to do this; in fact I do not believe that it is possible to do so. I consider the existence of God to be a premise or assumption that underlies my philosophy of life. It comes down to a matter of faith. If I weren't a Christian, I would be an agnostic, but I have sufficient subjective evidence to justify and sustain my relationship with God. Again this is a matter of premises and assumptions. I assume that there is more to ""life, the universe and everything"" than materialism; ie that spirituality exists. This assumption answers the question about why I have apparent spiritual needs. I find this assumption consistent with my subsequent observat- ions. I then find that God fills these spiritual needs. But I cannot objectively prove the difference between apparent filling of imagined spiritual needs and real filling of real spiritual needs. Nor can I prove to another person that _they_ have spiritual needs. == Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living, (seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds, | God will find his people busy Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds. No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. | I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan " 1073,18,"From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: AT&T Lines: 63 In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: [ These two paragraphs are from two different posts. In splicing them together it is not my intention to change Steve's meaning or misrepresent him in any way. I don't *think* I've done so. ] >As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >is insuring that the ""limited government"" they seek does not become the >tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. > >It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just >as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how >weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >condition. Part of what started this was my earlier example of Illinois, USA requiring anyone doing more than X automobile transfers a year (X = 10, I think) to become licensed as a used car dealer. In addition, it requirs anyone with a used car dealer's license to own at least 10 cars at a time, all the time. Let me continue with this example and try to answer Steve's questions. Steve, let's say you have the talent and inclination to fix up and resell cars. Either you've gotten good enough at it in your spare time to bump up against these limits, or you would like to do it full-time but these stupid, arbitrary laws prevent you from starting out small and pulling yourself up. So I'm protected from a hungry neighborhood competitor willing to take a low profit while working extra hard to fulfill my needs, and you're protected from doing what you want with your life. Here's what I see libertarianism offering you: Your money is truly yours; it belongs to you. You can use it to buy a car. If you use it to buy a car, it is truly your car; it belongs to you. You can use your money to fix up that car. Since it is your car, you can sell that car. Your life is truly yours; it belongs to you. It matters not if someone thinks that it's ""wrong"" for you to buy and sell 10 cars within 12 months rather than, say, 9 cars. They may dissaprove, but it is not their life or their money, it is your life and your money. My money is truly mine; it belongs to me. I can use it to buy a car. Perhaps your car. Perhaps that 10th car, the one that someone, somewhere dissaproves of you selling and, presumably, of me buying. That someone could go to the government and insist that the government make us stop it. But the government would be powerless to stop us from doing what we like with our own property, in the abscence of fraud or agression. And it would be powerless to stop us from associating with each other. This does not seem to me to be a utopian dream, but basic human decency and common sense. A real grass-roots example of freedom and liberty. And yes, not having a few people acting as our masters, approving or rejecting each of our basic transactions with each other, does strike me as a wonderful way to improve the human condition. Thanks awfully, Patrick " 1074,6,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods. I reserve the right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or the check would be mailed within 24 hours). Mark Thorson " 1075,10,"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 165 >Post: 51240 of 51243 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) >Subject: Re: Plus minus stat >Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, >Sudbury, ON Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 01:59:36 GMT >>>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>>course, but to each his own... >> >>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a >>function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an >>opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by >>all means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. >To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. >Your hockey education is not my responsibility. MY HOCKEY EDUCATION? What the f--- are you talking about? I'm not even going to try to refute this absolutely insane statement. >>My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does >>he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his >>style of play. >He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find >bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized >that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to >ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey? ""I hate the Habs"" ?...you sound like a 10-year old. This statement is just further exemplifies your total inability to argue objectively about hockey. Don't give me this crap about ""cogent arguments""...I've yet to read something of yours that is cogent. You consistently argue with: (1) emotion; (2) huge, sweeping statements Frankly, you have a very unconvincing style. I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all that much. But your dismissal of him as something less than an effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in anything. How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go ahead and refresh my memory). What about the Conn Smythe? Was that a fluke? Yeah, not the makings of a hockey superstar, I know, but try to have a reason, any reason, to shoot him down. >>>go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" >>>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would >>>take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you >>>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? >>I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. >>Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, >>himself, in nets? >Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not, >why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey >players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow >up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to >educate you. Hey cowboy! You're the ""expert"" who introduced the idiotic comparison of Gainey with Gretzky and Lemieux...you figure it out. >>Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with >>Guy Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. >Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth >discussing. How many individual awards between them? Eight...I don't remember (once again, please feel free to refresh my memory...and try to be as sarcastic as possible about my ""hockey education""). >I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the >>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. OH MY GOD!!! Did I say that? Roger...what's your point? Fuhr is a goaltender, goaltender's don't ""plug""...in his prime, he was one of the best. Sanderson was a scrapper...if you stick him on you may as well include half the Flyers team of the same era. >>first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling >>that you've setup a ""You're wrong again"" macro key on your >>machine. >That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time >responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be >sure to implement that very macro. Oh Roger, you shouldn't...really. I don't deserve this...you are far too accomodating already. >>I would suggest that your comment: ""And when the press runs out >>of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to >>hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, >>Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne >>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, >>Dick Duff...and so on..."" demonstrates a blanket disregard for >>these individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle >>down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. >Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a ""hockey god."" And Greg ate >it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't >know that then why are you responding? You seem to have allowed all of these other players fall into your sweeping, vacuous statement...that's why. If you want to debate Gainey, go ahead...but why bring up everybody else? How does it support your argument? Do you have an argument, or do you just like to throw around a few names hoping to impress us? >And as for ""blanket disregard for these individuals"", I can >remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such ""individuals"", >winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling >us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the >world. Great. I couldn't agree more. The Flyers won two cups for the same reasons...deservedly so. So what? I don't get it. Are you angry that the Leafs didn't get more recognition? You seem to think these pluggers are ""hyped""...I don't agree...plain and simple. If you're last statement is some sort of compromise, fair enough. >>>You might consider developing your own style. After all, >>>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite >>>sure that flattery is not your intention. >> >>C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good >>laugh. >Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I >realized you were a complete joke. Not a pleasant bone in your body, eh Rog? Why are you so unhappy? Not getting invited to enough parties? What? >In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I >would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument >supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most >of the rest of us would recognize. Roger, why are you under the impression that responding to your posts is some great honour? You really should stop...it sounds a little bit pathetic. Frankly, it's about as honourable as a good fart. congenially, as always, jd -- James David j3david@student.business.uwo.ca/s j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario " 1076,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 15 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says: Mike Terry asks: >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift off the ground. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 1077,13,"From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com>, david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: |> cnavarro@cymbal.calpoly.edu (CLAIRE) writes: |> >>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? |> >>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before |> >>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are |> >>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? |> >> |> >>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least |> >>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the |> >>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has |> >>always used it. |> So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but |> no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at |> work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study |> using double-blind trials? Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm not allergic to anything that I know of. Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is* a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. I haven't gotten sick yet. -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 " 1078,2,"From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: >Hi, > I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying >the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper. >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here >using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. I can't >see it having trouble keeping up. His pcplus for dos works great, >but the windows just seems to always screw up....Is this common >and is there a fix? Or is something just screwed with his machine? > Kent I have no trouble running Procomm for Windows at 14.4 v.42 on a considerably slower 486sx. Could be a video problem but only if he has incredibly slow video. " 1079,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 25 Theodore A. Kaldis writes: #> Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and #> they are not prostitutes. #No, I suppose they must be sluts. Nope. They both are very nice women, whom I'm good friends with. Or do you think its ok to rape anyone when you don't like the way they dress? #> Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments. #Where? Calling someone names, as you did. Are you ignorant of what an ad hominem argument is? #You provided absolutely no evidence, chump. I provided a quote from the judge. What else do you want? -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 1080,1,"From: teckjoo@iti.gov.sg (Chua Teck Joo) Subject: Visuallib (3D graphics for Windows) Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore. Lines: 17 I am currently looking for a 3D graphics library that runs on MS Windows 3.1. Are there any such libraries out there other than Visuallib? (It must run on VGA and should not require any other add-on graphics cards). For Visuallib, will it run with Metaware High C compiler v3.0? Any email contact for the author of Visuallib? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- * Chua, Teck Joo | Information Technology Institute * * Email: teckjoo@iti.gov.sg | 71 Science Park Drive * * Phone: (65) 772-0237 | Singapore (0511) * * Fax: (65) 779-1827 | * " 1081,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian admission to the crime of Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 34 Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 19 (first paragraph) ""The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."" p. 130 (third paragraph) ""The city was a scene of confusion and terror. During the early days of the war, when the Russian troops invaded Turkey, large numbers of the Turkish population abandoned their homes and fled before the Russian advance."" p. 181 (first paragraph) ""The Tartar villages were in ruins."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1082,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Camping question? Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 46 Sanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled: : Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info.. : Another question. : Well, not strictly r.m. stuff : I am looking for a thermos/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real : hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever : metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum/glass : type. : Any info appreciated. : Sanjay Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement. It made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow. We would plot routes that contained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to get the water to boiling point. This is sometimes difficult in England. Good luck on your quest. -- Nick (the Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 1083,14,"From: jtk@s1.gov (Jordin Kare) Subject: Re: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) Organization: LLNL Lines: 96 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: s1.gov yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >>WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC > >>Now, Space Marketing >>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >>orbit. > >This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone >know if he's involved? No. The idea was suggested around here during discussions of possible near-term commercial space activities. One of the folks involved in those discussions, a spacecraft engineer named Preston Carter, passed the suggestion on to some entreprenurial types, and Mike Lawson is apparently going ahead with it. Preston is now at LLNL, and is working with Space Marketing on the sensors that might be carried. > >>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. Actually, that sounds unlikely. I don't know what the launch vehicle would be, but I would expect it to go on a commercial launcher -- certainly not on the Shuttle -- and the fraction of the cost paid to NASA for, e.g., launch support would probably cover NASA's incremental costs pretty well. >>This >>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of >>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the >>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone >>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. > >This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My >guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to >build large, inflatable space structures. No, as noted, LLNL is involved in lightweight sensor design, per Clementine and related programs. I'm sure folks around here would like to see a demonstration of a modern inflatable structure, but after all, the U.S. did the Echo satellites long ago, and an advertising structure would not be much closer to an inflatable space station than Echo was (or a parade balloon, for that matter). > >>.......... >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. While I happen to personally dislike the idea, mostly because I've got a background in astronomy, it's hardly vandalism -- it would be a short-lived intrusion on the night sky, doing no permanent damage and actually hurting only a small subset of astronomers. On the other hand, it would certainly draw attention to space. > >If this is true, I think it's a great idea. > >Learning how to build structures in space in an essential >step towards space development... Which, unfortunately, this is not likely to contribute much to. >If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates >creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so >much the better. > >>Is NASA really supporting this junk? As far as I know, it's a purely commercial venture. > >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild >idea"" stage or does it have real funding? I gather it is being very seriously discussed with possible advertisers. Commercial projects, however, generally don't get ""funding"" -- they get ""customers"" -- whether it will have customers remains to be seen. > >>Are protesting groups being organized in the States? > >Not yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return >of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... Nahh. He's too busy watching for mutant bacteria to notice anything in the sky :-) > >Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University >yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science Jordin Kare jtk@s1.gov Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory [These are my personal views only and do not represent official statements or positions of LLNL, the University of California, or the U.S. DOE.] " 1084,18,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Re: rnitedace and violence Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 20 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) In article , neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) said: > My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer in a large > metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people account for their > behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate community, nothing > will improve. Wait a minute. I agree with you that people have to take responsibility for their own behavior (I assume that's what you meant by the word ""account""), but also for ""the behavior of their immediate community""? First of all, how ""immediate"" are you talking about, and secondly, I have a lot of trouble with any theory of social behavior or justice which charges anyone with the duty of taking responsibility for or accounting for the actions of a different person... -- William December Starr " 1085,1,"From: amjad@eng.umd.edu (Amjad A Soomro) Subject: Gamma-Law Correction Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 22 Distribution: USA Expires: 05/15/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: filter.eng.umd.edu Hi: I am digitizing a NTSC signal and displaying on a PC video monitor. It is known that the display response of tubes is non-linear and is sometimes said to follow Gamma-Law. I am not certain if these non-linearities are ""Gamma-corrected"" before encoding NTSC signals or if the TV display is supposed to correct this. Also, if 256 grey levels, for example, are coded in a C program do these intensity levels appear with linear brightness on a PC monitor? In other words does PC monitor display circuitry correct for ""gamma errrors""? Your response is much appreciated. Amjad. Amjad Soomro CCS, Computer Science Center U. of Maryland at College Park email: amjad@wam.umd.edu " 1086,2,"From: 55526@brahms.udel.edu (Oliver P Weatherbee) Subject: New Windows drivers for Cirrus GD5426 graphic cards! Article-I.D.: news.C5x27u.D4F Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu I have uploaded the most recent Windows drivers for the Cirrus GD5426 chip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp.cica.indiana.edu (file is 5426dr13.zip). They're very recent, I downloaded them from the Cirrus BBS (570-226-2365) last night. If you are unable to get them there, email me and maybe I can upload them to some other sites as well. I have a local bus based card (VL24 Bitblaster from Micron) but I think the drivers work with ISA cards (or at least includes drivers for them). I found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1.2 version, improving my graphic winmarks (v3.11) by about 2 million (7.77 to 9.88) although this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on Cirrus's part but I don't think so. From Steve Gibson's (columnist for Info World) graphic card comparisons (also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv.zip) I extracted the following for the sake of comparison: Wintach Winbn3.11 Word Sprsht Cad Paint Overall Steve's system: 486/33 VLB: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro 9.33 10.34 20.78 8.28 14.90 13.58 my system - 486sx/33 VLB: VL24 Bitblaster 9.88 8.65 11.71 18.84 15.40 13.65 Its no Viper, but I think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of the ATI card and when compared to the other cards included in Gibson's review. Micron system owner's, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the DTC 2270VL local bus disk controller. My system came with a Maxtor 7120 drive (120 MB) and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 Kb/s, I am now at 22 Kb/s. Is this about as good as it gets? I can't get a Norton's sysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls, at least that was what the program said. Oliver Weatherbee oliver@earthview " 1087,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Keeping the silent memory of 2.5 million Muslim people alive. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 34 Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 193. ""Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."" p. 218. ""We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course. I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1088,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article <9601@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether) writes: |> |> Yes, of course, as in Matthew 10:34-35 ""Do not suppose that I have come to |> bring peace to the earth; it is not peace I have come to bring but a sword..."" |> : Remember the armor of God? The sword that Christians wield is the Word of God, the Bible. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) |> RJL |> -- |> Rich Loether Snail mail: University of Pittsburgh The Ideas: |> EMail: rjl+@pitt.edu Computing and Info Services Mine, |> Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive all |> FAX : (412) 624-6426 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 Mine. " 1089,6,"From: isifisher@aol.com Subject: FAX VIA E-MAIL Article-I.D.: aol.9304060119.tn29392 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Finally a fax service to all Internet users in the continental U.S. without prepayment of any kind. This service is provided by Information System International based in Fishers, Indiana at isifisher@aol.com. As an Internet user, your credit has been automatically approved. So you can start sending faxes RIGHT NOW. 1. 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(1) For plain ASCII format, Times New Roman fonts of 12-point size will be used. (2) For RTF format, your fax document will appear exactly the same as it would appear on your local laser printer. In almost all word processing software on PC, Mackintosh, Sun workstation, etc., you can save your document in RTF format. 3. How to pay The first time you use our fax service, we will open an account for you under your name. You will be billed each month if you have a balance or when your balance has been over $50.00 - whichever comes first. 4. Cost The cost for continental U.S (excluding Hawaii & Alaska) is only $1.50 for the first page, $0.75 for each additional page. Each fax will include a cover sheet which is free. If you plan to use this service, you should save the entire text posted above. " 1090,14,"From: aa429@freenet.carleton.ca (Terry Ford) Subject: A flawed propulsion system: Space Shuttle X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 13 For an essay, I am writing about the space shuttle and a need for a better propulsion system. Through research, I have found that it is rather clumsy (i.e. all the checks/tests before launch), the safety hazards (""sitting on a hydrogen bomb""), etc.. If you have any beefs about the current space shuttle program Re: propulsion, please send me your ideas. Thanks a lot. -- Terry Ford [aa429@freenet.carleton.ca] Nepean, Ontario, Canada. " 1091,7,"From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) Subject: Re: VIPER Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 14 rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes: >Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper. >I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge, >and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket. >Wierd dream, I wonder what it means.... Vell...Let's see...vas you muzzah in der passenger seat? Or vas you muzzah in der leefing room, vit you fazah? M. (Feeling a tad bit Freudian, doubtless inspired by the magnificent phallic-ness (some word) of the Viper) " 1092,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav) Subject: DoD Confessional Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 31 I can't help myself. I've tried to be rational, to look the other way, but everytime it happens, its uncontrollable. I hate pre'80s motorcycles. At first I thought it was a phase. I though I would get used to them. It didn't happen. I tried gazing at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically pictured them being hurled off of large precipice (I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out). What am I to do? Everytime I read a .sig containing some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that the poor soul has suffered enough. I imagine the owner scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500. I'm hoping for some deliverance. I had in the past loathed the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand some of the preaching. There must be hope. -- =================================================== = The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733 = = V65Sabre mbeaving@bnr.ca = = My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! = =================================================== " 1093,14,"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: Graydon Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? <1993Apr7.124724.22534@yang.earlham.edu> <1993Apr12.161742.22647@yang.earlham.edu> Lines: 9 This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought not to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, they will simply be able to afford more stuff. Graydon " 1094,15,From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 8 True. Also read 2 Peter 3:16 Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who are not learned on the subject. Joe Moore 1095,17,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 134 In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research > Subject: Ten questions about Israel > > > Ten questions to Israelis > ------------------------- > > I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to > provide > accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are > indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by > people around me. > > 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize > Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens > must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as > Israelis ? Although the Hebrew expression LE'UM is used, the ID card specifically states on the 2nd page: EZRACHUT YISREALIT: Israeli citizen. This is true for all Israeli citizens no matter what their ethnicity. In the United States most official forms have RACE (Caucasian, Black, AmerIndian, etc.). > > 2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders > and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to > state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be > ? > Funny, I have a number of maps and ALL of them have fixed borders. > 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, > could you provide any evidence ? Probably yes. So what ? > > 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of > individuals which were tried in secret and for which their > identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are > state secrets ? Apart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there was one other espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona Biological Institute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried ""in camera"". I wouldn't exactly call it a state secret. The trial was simply tried behind closed doors. I hate to disappoint you but the United States has tried a number of espionage cases in camera. > > 5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied > territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews? > Not Jews. Israeli citizens. Jordanian law is in effect in the West Bank but the KNESSET passed a law that Israeli law would be binding on Israeli citizens residing in the West Bank. These citizens could be Jews, Israeli Muslims, Druze, or Israeli Christians. It has NOTHING to do with religion. > 6. Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48 > to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their > Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ? Anyone who was registered (Jew, Muslim, Christian) could return. You might be confusing this with the census taken in June 1967 on the West Bank after the Six Day War. In *this* instance, if the Arab was not physically present he couldn't reside on the West Bank (e.g. if he had been visting Jordan). > > 7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed > an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in > Bosnia-Herzegovina ? > No. Not even if you drowned him in bourbon, scotch or brandy :-) > 8. Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as > members in kibbutzim? Not true. Although a minority, there *are* some Israeli Arabs living on kibbutzim. On the other hand, at my age (42) I wouldn't be admitted to a kibbutz nor could the family join me. Not that I would be so thrilled to do so in the first place. The kibbbutz movement places candidates under rigorous membership criteria. Many Israeli Jews are not admitted. > > 9. Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage > marriages between Jews and non-Jews ? The religious status quo in Israel has marriage and divorce handled by the religious courts. The RABBANUT handles marriage and divorce for Jews, the Muslim SHAARIA courts are for Muslims, the Christian denominations have their religious courts, and the Druze have their own courts. The entire religious establishment (Jewish, Muslim, Druze, Christian) wants to keep it that way. > > 10. Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the > site of a muslim cemetery ? I believe it's adjacent to a former Muslim cemetary. From what I heard (and I'd like to get feedback from Muslins on the net) sanctity of cemetaries is not held that sancrosanct as it is held by Jews. The current Israeli Ministry of Trade and Industry on Agron Road in Jerusalem is housed in a former hotel that was built by Arabs in the 1920's on the site of an Arab cemetary. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > > Thanks, > > Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is " 1096,10,"From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) Subject: ABC's announcers, ESPN's (lack of) coverage (WAS: Re: Atlanta ...) Originator: jpc@condor Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510 Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr19.160356.19160@newshub.ists.ca>, dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: |> Ok, here's the solution to your problem. Move to Canada. Yesterday I was able |> to watch FOUR games...the NJ-PITT at 1:00 on ABC, LA-CAL at 3:00 (CBC), |> BUFF-BOS at 7:00 (TSN and FOX), and MON-QUE at 7:30 (CBC). I think that if |> each series goes its max I could be watching hockey playoffs for 40-some odd |> consecutive nights (I haven't counted so that's a pure guess). The worst thing is that this is exactly what I did last year. I had the Rangers on MSG, and the two different games on SCNY and SCA on at the same time. Yes, I'd rather have SC cover it, just for the amount of coverage. |> Btw, those ABC commentaters were great! I was quite impressed; they seemed |> to know that their audience wasn't likely to be well-schooled in hockey lore |> and they did an excellent job. They were quite impartial also, IMO. I think Thorne earns his money. The best part is that he is the same way when he is earning his $$ from SportsChannel as the Devils announcer (i.e., unbiased). He goes orgasmic for goals, despite which team scores, and even more excited (if possible) for great saves. He did a good job of explaining certain things to non-hockey types without offending those of us who follow the sport (unlike NBC's clowns for the ASG). -JPC (Ob. Playoff-time flame-bait) Don't any of you Pittsburgh fans tell me how Mike Lang(e) is better. Maybe if he were a little spontaneous, rather than reading rehearsed lines of B.S having nothing to do with hockey he would be better. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Curcio Go Bruins! Philips Laboratories jpc@philabs.philips.com 345 Scarborough Road (914) 945-6442 Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 " 1097,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Does 'Just/justifiable War' exist? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 32 Some thoughts: [A. On the non-pacifist side:] (1) Killing to defend the innocent may be, if anything, _more_ justifiable than killing in self-defense. I can turn my _own_ other cheek, but I have no right to turn someone else's. (2) It seems to me that if Jesus had meant to teach pacifism, He would have made His position more explicit. He didn't tell the centurion to leave the army, for instance; and the NT is full of military metaphors. [B. On the pacifist side:] (1) Apparently many early Christians refused to fight in the Roman army, or stated that one should refuse if given a choice. But it's not clear whether they were objecting to war _per se_, or objecting to Roman policies. (2) In modern warfare, it seems to be impossible to direct attacks only at combatants. Bombing, both conventional and nuclear, kills lots of civilians. (3) It's hard to tell whether any _particular_ war is justified at the time. Often it takes decades for the requisite information to become available to the general public. Please, NO EMAIL REPLIES -- this is meant as a contribution to a public discussion, and anyone wanting to reply should also reply publicly. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 1098,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Gaza and separation from Israel Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 33 In article <1483500357@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >The Israeli Left's inability to cope with the challenges it is >presented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when >the reality does not line up with the expectations of the left. We >were able to see this clearly during the Gulf War. Because of the >Palestinian's popular solidarity with Iraq, Yossi Sarid - >currently Minister of the Environment - made his infamous >statement: ""You look for me !"", i.e., I'am not making any more >efforts to speak with you. From Yossi Sarid's point of view, >Palestinian reality during the Gulf War was not the lengthy curfew >or the danger of hunger it brought with it, but whether or not the >Palestinians accepted what was acceptable to the party. Similarly >MERETZ, MK Deddi Tzuker, recently faced with criticism from >residents of the West Bank town of Beit Sahour over his >government's and his party's lack of action for human rights and >peace, responded by asking those present at the discussion whether >they would rather have a Likud government. From the Leftists' >perspective this is the best government because it is THEIR >government, regardless of what it does. > >These members of the Israeli Left have already decided how the >future of the Occupied Territories will look, and they want to >dictate to the Palestinians how to get there. When someone starts criticizing the Leftists for not being Leftist enough, we get a pretty clear idea of what they believe to be normal. I hope that your not still calling yourself fair and unbiased, Elias. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1099,3,"From: bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) Subject: Know anything about EISA-2? Organization: UC Berkeley Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu I read about the development of EISA-2 some time ago but dismissed it in light of the intense interest in VESA and PCI. However, I recently was disheartened to hear that ISA cannot address more than 16mb of RAM, a limit that too many of us will hit all too soon. I recall that EISA-2 will support 64-bit transfer among other enhancements. Is there such a standard being developed? -- Bing Ho bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley " 1100,2,"From: claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne) Subject: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card? Summary: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card? Keywords: Video adaptor hardware graphics Distribution: world Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego Lines: 5 Has anyone used the Number Nine (# 9) Video Graphics adaptor with Windows or Windows NT? What do you think??? 2 -- C -- " 1101,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Moraltiy? (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>>>What if I act morally for no particular reason? Then am I moral? What |> >>>>if morality is instinctive, as in most animals? |> >>> |> >>>Saying that morality is instinctive in animals is an attempt to |> >>>assume your conclusion. |> >> |> >>Which conclusion? |> > |> >You conclusion - correct me if I err - that the behaviour which is |> >instinctive in animals is a ""natural"" moral system. |> |> See, we are disagreeing on the definition of moral here. Earlier, you said |> that it must be a conscious act. By your definition, no instinctive |> behavior pattern could be an act of morality. You are trying to apply |> human terms to non-humans. Pardon me? *I* am trying to apply human terms to non-humans? I think there must be some confusion here. I'm the guy who is saying that if animal behaviour is instinctive then it does *not* have any moral sugnificance. How does refusing to apply human terms to animals get turned into applying human terms? |> I think that even if someone is not conscious of an alternative, |> this does not prevent his behavior from being moral. I'm sure you do think this, if you say so. How about trying to convince me? |> |> >>You don't think that morality is a behavior pattern? What is human |> >>morality? A moral action is one that is consistent with a given |> >>pattern. That is, we enforce a certain behavior as moral. |> > |> >You keep getting this backwards. *You* are trying to show that |> >the behaviour pattern is a morality. Whether morality is a behavior |> >pattern is irrelevant, since there can be behavior pattern, for |> >example the motions of the planets, that most (all?) people would |> >not call a morality. |> |> I try to show it, but by your definition, it can't be shown. I've offered, four times, I think, to accept your definition if you allow me to ascribe moral significence to the orbital motion of the planets. |> |> And, morality can be thought of a large class of princples. It could be |> defined in terms of many things--the laws of physics if you wish. However, |> it seems silly to talk of a ""moral"" planet because it obeys the laws of |> phyics. It is less silly to talk about animals, as they have at least |> some free will. Ah, the law of ""silly"" and ""less silly"". what Mr Livesey finds intuitive is ""silly"" but what Mr Schneider finds intuitive is ""less silly"". Now that's a devastating argument, isn't it. jon. " 1102,6,"From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Golf shoes size 9 1/2 Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 15 Used pair of golf shoes Size 9 1/2 good shape no holes etc. $10.00 o.b.o. plus shipping. David-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Snyder Logicon Technical Services Inc. dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 513-255-5165 Dayton, Ohio USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is said that GOD doesn't subtract from ones' time on earth, those hours spent flying. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1946 Cessna 140 N76234 ""The lady in waiting"" Owner/Operator --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF. --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1103,18,"Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access. NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Lines: 19 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > the liberal Gov. Wilder vetoed it. Which shows that liberals don't > give a damn about ""best person for the job,"" it's just a power > play. ""Women are only interested in clothes and shopping"" ""Whites are imperialist colonial fascists"" ""Blacks are lazy uneducated scum"" ""Men are rapists"" ""Homosexuals support child-molesting"" Slogans, my dear Cramer, are not an adequate substitute for thought. -- Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.""--gene spafford,1992 " 1104,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over? >Because you rarely ever answer them. Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple times. keith " 1105,9,"From: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Danny Smith) Subject: Braves win opener Nntp-Posting-Host: s355.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. Lines: 15 Well, Maddux looked excellent as the Braves shutout the Cubs 1 - 0. Justice drove in the only run with an RBI single in the first. Get ready for him to have a monster year. He is now hitting the ball to the opposite field with a lot of power to go with his natural power to right field and his good batting eye. If he stays healthy which he should (his back is full strength this year) he should get over 100 RBI and close to 30 HR. In another note, the Marlins got off to a good start beating the Dodgers. I believe the score was 6 - 3 but I'm not sure. I wish them and the Rockies well this year. Hell. I think it would be funny to watch the Dodgers hit the cellar again this year. Dan Smith " 1106,12,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: Getting rid of screen wiggles? Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 42 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu In article <1qpj5t$itg@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ed Byrnes) wrote: > > My monitor display has a bad case of the wigglies. I have a good ground. I > live in an old house and I have replaced much of the wiring. I have two > EMI filters on the computer, the monitor plugs into the computer. When > fluorescent lights are on upstairs, the display jiggles, when motors run > in the house, the display jiggles, when incandescent lights are on in the > kitchen the display jiggles. I could bring a separate line from the > breaker box, and use it only for the computer, would this do it? EMI > doesn't only travel the 110 volt line though. Should I shield the back of > the monitor? Ground a grid or plate? > Your expertise is appreciated. Thanks very much! Ed Byrnes Aaahh... a problem very near and dear to my heart. In our case, other monitors cause this problem - the deflection coil of other monitors to be specific. Have also seen a monitor backed up to a fuse panel exhibit this problem. This sounds like your problem since flourescent lites, motors, etc several 10s of feet away seem to me to be too far to cause it, but the juice running to them must pass nearby your monitor. Fusebox on other side of wall maybe? We started spec'ing Panasonic CT-1331Y video monitors (3 switchable input lines(vid & aud) S-VHS on one) <$400. This stopped the wavy interference effect on the computer monitor next to it. Now on to your problem. You need what is known as mu shielding (very common, in fact almost mandatory on electrostatic deflection type O'scopes). I talked to a EE prof. He said get a coffee can, cut both ends off, mount around deflection coil of interfering monitor. BE CAREFUL TO AVOID ALL HIGH VOLTAGE CIRCUITRY. ESPECIALLY THE THICKER HIGH VOLTAGE ANODE LEAD USUALLY COLORED RED. IF YOU KILL YOURSELF, DON'T BLAME/SUE ME!!! USE PLASTIC OR OTHER NON-CONDUCTING STAND-OFFS AND SUCH TO MOUNT CAN. Now, I would assume that what is good for keeping mag fields in is also good at keeping them out, so hopefully this'll work by mounting shield on monitor being interfered with as well. If not, start shielding those other sources. Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC " 1107,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 31 In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >hands up while national tv cameras watch. > Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" >scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally >believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely >scenarios. The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. >The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. >But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is >ludicrous. I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 1108,1,"From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan) Subject: Reaction-Diffusion techniques Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc. Lines: 24 This past week I've been playing with some of the R-D (Reaction- Diffusion, not to be confused with RDS or R&D) techniques from SIGGRAPH '91. I was wondering what material is available to explain the control mechanism a little more. It seems to me very much like a matter of picking random magic numbers and sitting back and waiting. Although both of the papers (Turk and Witkin & Kass) were very well organized and extremely helpful, I guess what I need is a more basic description of the technique, especially wrt the control mechanisms. The tests that I did had a tendency to either turn into blurry mud or become unstable. Is there any info available online? Source code would be great but not necessary. Thanks! -- --- Terran J. Boylan, Sr. Artist/Programmer | ""It's better to have loved Engineering Animation, Inc., Ames, IA | and lost than just to have (515) 296-9908 / (515) 296-7892 (> 5PM) | lost."" -- Dorky Dog " 1109,9,From: 1605112EC400@sscl.uwo.ca Subject: jays game Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory Keywords: score? Nntp-Posting-Host: conslt.sscl.uwo.ca Lines: 6 anyone know the outcome of tonight's jays game? -home runs? -winning pitcher? eco gods at U.W.O 1110,5,"From: oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones) Subject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ Organization: Shawsheen Software Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil writes: >I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function >to draw a [clipped] line ... = 300 ... >I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. >But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). >My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct >p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. If you're asking, ""does the X server perform clipping correctly when drawing lines,"" the answer is ""yes."" " 1111,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: thining algorithm Organization: Purdue University Lines: 15 In article <1q7615INNmi@shelley.u.washington.edu> kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin) writes: > I am trying obtain program to preprocess handwriting characters. > Like thining algorithm, graph alogrithm. > Do anyone know where I can obtain those? I usually use ""Algorithms for graphics and image processing"" by Theodosios Pavlidis, but other people here got them same idea and now 3 of 4 copies in the libraries have been stolen! Another reference is ""Digital Image Processing"" by Gonzalez and Wintz/Wood, which is widely available but a little expensive ($55 here- I just checked today). ab " 1112,14,"From: nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Nikan B Firoozye ) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany Lines: 15 A related question (which I haven't given that much serious thought to): at what lattitude is the average length of the day (averaged over the whole year) maximized? Is this function a constant= 12 hours? Is it truly symmetric about the equator? Or is there some discrepancy due to the fact that the orbit is elliptic (or maybe the difference is enough to change the temperature and make the seasons in the southern hemisphere more bitter, but is far too small to make a sizeable difference in daylight hours)? I want to know where to move. -Nick Firoozye nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de " 1113,12,"From: griffin@camelot.bradley.edu (Mark Valentine) Subject: HELP: 20ma current loop to RS232 converter needed. Summary: I need a device that will convert 20ma current loop to RS232. Keywords: 20,current,loop,converter,rs232 Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Where can I buy or build a device that will convert 20 ma current loop signals to RS232 voltages? I know some old terminals came with that option, but none of the ones I own have that. Anyway, I want to connect a computer to this old industrial computer to use the computer with communications software as a console instead of an old DecWriter. Please e-mail me if you have any info that would point me in the right direction. " 1114,9,"From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) Subject: Re: Spanky Released Keywords: WHY!?! Organization: Colorado Needs the Huckabay Kiteball Campaign Committee Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr12.130652.22090@sei.cmu.edu> wp@sei.cmu.edu (William Pollak) writes: [Deletions] > >Spanky isn't very good defensively anymore, he's an offensive liability, and, >judging from his outburst this winter after the Bucs failed to sign Drabek, >he's a jerk with his head in the sand. Tommy Prince, on the other hand, can't >hit. In the paper, Simmons was citing the case of Tom Pagnozzi, who never hit >in the minors or majors, but suddenly somehow learned how. Geez, Dal must have slipped something into Ted's drink sometime. Comparing Prince to Pagnozzi offensively is laughable. Prince has never hit well in the minors and he's now 27 years old, I think. Pagnozzi was not a bad hitter in the minors. (I'll bring in the numbers tomorrow assuming I don't have another brain cramp and forget.) He had a very good year at Louisville before coming up to the majors. As I recall, the hype on Pagnozzi coming up in the organization was good hit, decent fielding. When he got to the majors and didn't hit as well as expected (not as much playing time?), he became Exhibit 312 in Nichols' Law of Catcher Defense and got the reputation as an outstanding defensive catcher. It's not clear he ever learned to hit. His four years with more than 100 AB-- Born 31 July 1962 Year AB BA SLG OBA 1988 195 .282 .320 .328 1990 220 .277 .373 .321 1991 459 .264 .351 .317 1992 485 .249 .359 .290 No power, less-than-league-average walks, peak year when he turned 28, now declining. If Ted is going to invoke Pagnozzi as a model for Prince, given that Prince has underperformed Pagnozzi in the minors, it's not a rosy picture. BTW, I'm still unhappy with moving Zeile, who had the same reputation coming up in the Cardinal organization as Pagnozzi, except that he was a much, much better hitter, to 3rd where he could be an average hitter and a below average fielder instead of a well-above average hitter as an average (or below average) fielding catcher. Harold -- Harold Brooks hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK) ""I used to work for a brewery, too, but I didn't drink on the job."" -P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93 " 1115,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Article-I.D.: shelley.1pr91aINNikg Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes: >In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >|> (1) Don't use big capacitors. They are unreliable for timing due to >|> leakage. True (especially for electrolytic capacitors at high temperature). >|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times >|> or something like that. >... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a >mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the >compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency. Low power quartz oscillators are usually 32 kHz (and THESE have significant temperature drifts, which one doesn't often notice while wearing the watch on one's wrist). Low temperature sensitivity is available in other crystal types, which unfortunately are larger and higher frequency (1 MHz or so) and take more battery power. Programmable timers might be less accurate, but they are more power-stingy than suitable crystal oscillators. John Whitmore " 1116,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame) Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr17.181013.3743@uvm.edu> hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) writes: >Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than >sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces >when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to >for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate >substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde >produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to >living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. Aspartame is the methyl ester of a dipeptide, so a product of its hydrolysis is going to be methanol, which can then be oxidized to formaldehyde. The amounts of methanol formed from the ingestion of aspartame-containing foods are completely in the metabolic noise, since you're forming equally minute amounts of methanol from other components of food all the time. In studies involving administration of high doses of the additive, blood methanol levels were undetectable. Methanol is a poison only in quantities seen in human poisonings, say 5ml and above. This is a consequence of its oxidation to formaldehyde and formic acid, two quite reactive compounds which at high enough levels can damage tissues like the retina and kidney, because at such high doses the body's detoxification system is overwhelmed. Interestingly, one treatment for early methanol poisoning is to get the person drunk on ethyl alcohol--vodka or an equivalent. That's because ethanol is metabolized preferentially over methanol by the enzymes in the liver. If the methanol stays as methanol and isn't metabolized to formaldehyde, it is actually relatively non-toxic. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 1117,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr13.164305.701@bernina.ethz.ch>, nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch (Nadeem Malik) writes: > >Actually, if can remember correctly, was it not reported and even on camera >some time during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or when the itifada began, >that CNN caught regular uniformed Israeli soldiers breaking the arms of >some Arab youngsters in a very professional and brutal manner, (someone >please give full details if they can remember). So was it on CNN or not? >This is one of the few >occassions on which such a scene has been transmitted to the West and >in the USA ... it caused uproar and was one of the factors that has significantly >changed the preception of the Israeli army's role in the mid-east. > >So there is proof for you! What proof. You said above: ""was it not reported..."" and ""someone please give full details if they can remember"". Hear say is not proof. >It is obvious that is a systematic policy of the >Israelis which must be occurring on a massive scale behind the scenes. Yes, like the 700 or more Palestinians brutally murdered by their brothers. > >Nadeem > ----- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 1118,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: More on failed governments Organization: Failed Libertarian Opportunities, Inc. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <18APR199314034390@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... >> >:It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal >:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose >:that never seems to occur?... > > >I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant >combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also, >they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable >society anyway. And the reason that the Soviet Union couldn't achieve the ideal of pure communism was the hostility of surrounding capitalist nations...Uh huh. Somehow, this all sounds familiar. Once again, utopian dreams are confronted by the real world... > >Mr. Grinch -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 1119,8,"From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu Subject: Misc./buying info. needed Organization: Hampshire College Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have some questions: -Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)? -Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)? Also -Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc? -Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles? ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me. Thanks a lot. -Jordan " 1120,3,"From: damien@b63519.student.cwru.edu (Damien Neil) Subject: Re: How hot should the cpu be? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: b63519.student.cwru.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] christopher kushmerick (kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov) wrote: : How hot should the CPU in a 486-33 DX machine be? : Currently it gets so hot that I can not hold a finger on it for more than : 0.5 s. I seem to recall that 486s run somewhere close to the boiling point of water. Anyone have an exact temperature? Anyway, putting a CPU fan/heat sink on it won't hurt and could help. Depends on how paranoid you are... -- Damien Neil dpn2@po.cwru.edu ""Until someone debugs reality, the best Case Western Reserve University I can do is a quick patch here and there."" CMPS/EEAP Linux -- the choice of a GNU generation. -Erik Green " 1121,0,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr14.175557.20296@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: >Sorry to insult your homestate, but coming from where I do, Wisconsin >is _very_ backwards. I was never able to understand that people actually >held such bigoted and backwards views until I came here. I have never been to Wisconsin, though I have been to neighbor Minnesota. Being a child of the Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) I found that there were few states in the provences that stood out in this youngster's mind: California, Texas, and Florida to name the most obvious three. However, both Minnesota and Wisconsin stuck out, solely on the basis of their politics. Both have always translated to extremely liberal and progressive states. And my recent trip to Minnestoa last summer served to support that state's reputation. My guess is that Wisconsin is probably the same. At least that was the impression the people of Minnesota left with me about their neighbors. The only question in my head about Wisconsin, though, is whether or not there is a cause-effect relationship between cheese and serial killers :) -jim halat " 1122,15,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Christians that are not church members Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 69 In article gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM writes: >Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with >any local church and are not members of any local church. This is >an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does >the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with >regard to this issue? This brings up an interesting subject that has not been discussed much, and probably has not been studied much. As some of you may be aware, I've posted a lot of articles lately on personality typing (of which the MBTI is a test vehicle). To come up to speed, just read 'alt.psychology.personality' and/or ask for by personality type summary file. One observation is that people have significantly different personalities (no question on this) which seem to be essentially in-born. With respect to church attendance and participation, some people thrive on this, while other people have real difficulty with this because they prefer a more solitary and contemplative lifestyle - that is, they are de-energized if confronted with excessive closeness to outside activities and lots of people. Of course this is measured by extroversion/introversion. My impression is that many churches are totally blind to this fact, and create environments that 'scare away' many who are naturally introverted (there are many introverted characters in the Bible, btw). I know, I am quite introverted in preference, and find the 'pressure' by many churches to participate, to meet together in large groups, etc., to be very uncomfortable. Knowing what I know now, these churches have been overly influenced by highly extroverted people who thrive on this sort of thing. (BTW, there's nothing wrong with either extroversion or introversion, both preferences have their place in the Body). Maybe I should define extrovert/introvert more carefully since these words are usually not used correctly in our culture. The extrovert/introvert scale is a measure of how a person is energized. The following is excerpted from my summary: 1. Energizing - How a person is energized: Extroversion (E)- Preference for drawing energy from the outside world of people, activities or things. Introversion (I)- Preference for drawing energy from one's internal world of ideas, emotions, or impressions. Hopefully this will elicit further discussion as to how churches can structure themselves to meet the real needs of the people who comprise the Body of Christ, instead of trying to change people's personalities to fit them into a particular framework. I'm sure there are other aspects of how churches have not properly understood personality variances among their members to the detriment of all. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 1123,2,"From: carols@ohsu.edu (Carol Suelzle) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr19.213505.2883 Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.130.7 In article <1qur7h$qrl@access.digex.net> wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) writes: > > >>In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: >>>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) >>>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP >>>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT >>> >>>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of >>>late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every >>>day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I > >There is a way in SYS.INI to turn off RAM parity checking (unfortunately, >my good Windows references are at home, but any standard Win reference >will tell you how to do it. If not, email back to me.) That weird memory >may be producing phony parity errors. Danger is, if you turn checkling off, >you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error. I had this very same problem, and did 'work around' by turning parity checking off, but that only worked while I was in windows, and the parity error would occur immediately after exiting windows, however,the problem turned out to be 3 chip simms vs 9 chip simms. I can't use 3 chip simms in my computer, and when I replaced them, the problem vanished, forever. " 1124,15,"From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 6 And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. IITimothy 2:24-26 " 1125,3,"From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman) Subject: help with no docs for motherboard Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 1 " 1126,1,"From: lewism@aix.rpi.edu (Michael C. Lewis) Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 16 In article zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes: > >Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? >Is there any reference to it? >Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage? It is used to create a TIN (triangulated irregular network), which is basically a bunch of triangles which form a surface over a group of points. What is special about it is that the triangles formed are the most equalateral possible. Check out ""Proceedings of AutoCarto N"" where N is 8..10. Sorry, I don't have a specific reference describing the process. -Michael " 1127,6,"From: gregp@acpy01.att.com (Greg Peterson (CXNIXPT1)) Subject: 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX For Sale Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA) Distribution: nj Lines: 26 FOR SALE 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX * All Wheel Drive * 195 HP, 16 Valve, Turbo * 5 Speed Transmission * Limited Slip Differential * AM/FM Stereo w/CD Player, Cassette, 6 Speakers * Fog Lights * Air Conditioning * Cruise Control * Electric Windows * Front & Rear Intermittent Wipers & Washers * Alloy Wheels * Undercoated & Rustproofed * 22,000 Miles * Maui Blue * Excellent Condition * Asking $ 11,899 (negotiable) Call Pete: 908 457-2838 (Work) 908 821-5393 (Home) or respond to: pvannuis@attmail.com " 1128,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: :cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: :>mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: :>> :>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm :>> day in Texas. :> :>Do YOU eat all your food cold? : :Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. :Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. Hey, Einstein, ever tried to use an electric stove or microwave WITHOUT ELECTRICITY? It's been shut off for weeks now, courtesy of your local FBI assault squad. Now, are you going to put your foot in your mouth or shall I get a crowbar and assist you? Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 1129,10,"From: downec@crockett1a.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey) Subject: Re: My Predictions of a classic playoff year! Nntp-Posting-Host: crockett1a.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 82 In article <1993Apr17.152611.12934@ac.dal.ca>, 06paul@ac.dal.ca writes: |> Here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs! |> (you may laugh at your convenience!) :) |> |> Adams Division (I hate the NE (name) divisoin!!!) |> |> BOS vs BUF BOS in 5 (the B's are hot lately!) |> |> MON vs QUE MON in 7 (This will be the series to watch in the first round!) |> |> |> BOS vs MON MON in 7 (this may be a bit biased but I feel the Canadiens will |> (smarten up and start playing they played two months ago |> ( i.e. bench Savard !!!) |> Patrick Division |> |> PIT vs NJD PIT in 6 (It wont be a complete cake walk... there be a few lumps |> (in the cake batter!) |> |> WAS vs NYI WAS in 6 (This will not be an exciting series..IMO) |> |> |> PITT vs WAS PIT in 4 (Washington will be tired after the NYI) |> |> Norris Division |> |> CHI vs StL CHI in 5 (StL will get a lucky game in) |> |> TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense |> (series to watch!) |> |> CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.) |> |> Smythe Division |> |> VAN vs WIN VAN in 5 (Teemu is great, but Vancouver better as a team!) |> |> CAL vs LAK CAL in 6 (Gretzky is great, but Calgary has been on fire lately) |> ...sorry for the pun... um, no I am not! :) |> |> VAN vs CAL VAN in 6 (This will be a great series! but VAN has proven they |> (Will not lie down and get beat!) |> |> Wales Conference finals |> |> Pittsburgh vs Montreal Montreal in 6 (Montreal IMHO is the only team |> (that has a chance against |> Pittsburgh.) |> |> Campbell Conference finals |> |> Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP) |> |> |> STANLEY CUP FINALS |> |> Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens |> (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! |> |> Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. |> Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if |> that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by |> Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the |> owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the |> disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks). |> |> ***************************************YEE HAA!!******************************* |> *poof* And I wake up :) |> Well that is my predictions...I hope and dream they come true. and you can stop |> laughing anytime :) |> |> Paul |> Die hard Habs Fan living with |> 3 Die hard Leafs fans! I only have one comment on this: You call this a *classic* playoff year and yet you don't include a Chicago-Detroit series. C'mon, I'm a Boston fan and I even realize that Chicago-Detroit games are THE most exciting games to watch. Chris downec@rpi.edu " 1130,16,"From: ""Paul Hager"" Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Lines: 82 roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >In article fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot) writes: >>In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >>>In article <1993Apr19.184303.6205@stortek.com> vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes: >>>> >>> [...] >>>> 5) Point out that even if the fire was set by someone inside of the >>>> building, it came as a direct result of the actions of the FBI/BATF. >>>> And the people inside (including 17 children) deserved a trial, instead >>>> of this. >>> >>>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >>>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >>>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. >> >>Correction: The FBI says that the Davidians set fire to their buildings. >And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >hands up while national tv cameras watch. Well the attorneys of the Davidians reported on Larry King that the tanks had actually damaged the structure to the extent that effectuating egress from the building was difficult at best. With a rapidly spreading fire and large amounts of smoke and tear gas, finding the right exits, or acceptible holes in the walls were nearly impossible. I find this explanation to be completely plausible. Doesn't mean that it's true, but I don't find it intrinsically less believable than the government stories. >>The FBI also said that the Davidians had a methanphetamine lab in their >>basement and that the Davidians had .50 cal machine guns. >> >>Do you believe everything the FBI says? >Do you disbelieve everything the FBI says? >I balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the >independent facts as I see them on video. I usually adopt the >scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally >believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely >scenarios. I concur. >The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. >But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is >ludicrous. Indeed. According to the lawyers, the Davidian survivors say that lanterns were knocked over during the ""probing"" and that's how the fire started. A tragic accident, if true. >>Do you trust that snivelling little >>piece of sh*t special agent Ricks? He seems to think he is a comedian, and >>the media who laugh at his sick jokes are just as guilty as he, IMHO. >> >>>Up until now the BATF had been making me sick. Today the people inside >>>the compound who set the fire made me sick. Keeping the children inside >>>the compund when they should have been released earlier with the other >>>people weeks ago is absolutely inexcuseable. Not releasing them before >>>deciding to set the place afire is the work of madmen. >>> >>>Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set >>>by cult members. >> >>Correction: The FBI says that two of the nine said the fire was deliberately >>set by the sect members. >If the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound, I would >have expected far more cult members to flee the compound. Or at least come >out shooting. See above. This one is going to be thoroughly investigated. Maybe we'll eventually get some idea of what happened. My view is that, from beginning to end, this operation was a botch and that it is completely possible that nut cases who were otherwise law-abiding citizens were victims of a bureaucratic execution. -- paul hager hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu ""I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."" --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt " 1131,13,"From: jec@watson.ibm.com Subject: Contraceptive pill Reply-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: mythen.zurich.ibm.com Organization: Watson Research Center Lines: 9 A very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to fall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the ovule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine pregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian tube ? J.Cherbonnier jec@zurich.ibm.com " 1132,6,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Realistic PRO-34 Hand-held Scanner Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 11 I'd offer $150 for your scanner, shipping at your expense, payment to be sent by personal check within 24 hours after receipt of goods -- or if you live nearby and can deliver, payment in cash with 24 hour advance notice so I can go to the bank. If sent by mail, I reserve the right to return it at my expense if when I check it out I find it to be defective in some way. BTW, why would you sell such a fine scanner? Did you replace it with some other instrument or find it not to be satisfactory in some way? Mark Thorson " 1133,9,"From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) Subject: Re: FLORIDA SUCKS! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr13.232537.20672@cabell.vcu.edu>, csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > >This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary. VERY >scary! Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last >year they looked helpless. The funny thing was they did have a lot >of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their >chances. Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the >first or second game? > First game, first at bat. -- " 1134,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The religious persecution, cultural oppression and economical... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 161 In article <1993Apr21.202728.29375@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: >You may not be afraid of anything but you act as if you are. I always like your kind of odds. The Greek governments must be held to account for the sub-human conditions of the Turkish minority living in the Western Thrace under the brutal Greek domination. The religious persecution, cultural oppression and economical ex-communication applied to the Turkish population in that area are the dimensions of the human rights abuse widespread in Greece. ""Greece's Housing Policies Worry Western Thrace Turks"" ...Newly built houses belonging to members of the minority community in Dedeagac province, had, he said, been destroyed by Evros province public works department on Dec. 4. Sungar added that they had received harsh treatment by the security forces during the demolition. ""This is not the first demolition in Dedeagac province; more than 40 houses were destroyed there between 1979-1984 and members of that minority community were made homeless,"" he continued. ""Greece Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies"" While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu. In his 65-page confession, Salman Demirok, a former chief of PKK operations in Hakkari confessed that high-level relations between PKK, Greece and Greek Cypriot administration existed. According to Demirok, Greek Cypriot administration not only gives shelter to PKK guerillas but also supplies them with food and weapons at the temporary camps set up in its territory. Demirok disclosed that PKK has three safe houses in South Cyprus, used by terrorists such as Ferhat. In the camps, he added, terrorists were trained to use various weapons including RPG's and anti-aircraft guns which had been purchased directly from the Greek government. Greek Cypriot government has gone to the extent of issuing special identification cards to PKK members so that they can travel from one region to another without being confronted by legal obstacles. Demirok's account was confirmed by another PKK defector, Fatih Tan, who gave himself over to police in Hakkari after spending four years with PKK. Tan explained that the terrorists went through a training in camps in South Cyprus, sometimes for a period of 12 weeks or more. ""Torture in Greece: Hidden Reality"" Case 1: Kostas Andreadis and Dimitris Voglis. ...Andreadis' head was covered with a hood and he was tortured by falanga (beating on the soles of the feet), electric shocks, and was threatened with being thrown out of the window. An official medical report clearly documented this torture.... Case 2: Horst Bosniatzki, a West German Citizen. ...At midnight he was taken to the beach, chains were put to his feet and he was threatened to be thrown to the sea. He was dragged along the beach for about a 1.5 Km while being punched on the head and kidneys...Back on the police station, he was beaten on the finger tips with a thin stick until one of the fingertips split open.... Case 3: Torture of Dimitris Voglis. Case 4: Brothers Vangelis (16) and Christos Arabatzis (12), Vasilis Papadopoulos (13), and Kostas Kiriazis (13). Case 5: Torture of Eight Students at Thessaloniki Police Headquarters. SOURCE: The British Broadcasting Corporation, Summary of World Broadcasting -July 6, 1987: Part 4-A: The Middle East, ME/8612/A/1. ""Abu Nidal's Advisers"" Reportedly Training ""PKK & ASALA Militants"" in Cyprus Nicosia, Ankara, Tel Aviv. The Israeli secret service, Mossad, is reported to have acquired significant information in connection with the camps set up in the Troodos mountains in Cyprus for the training of militants of the PKK and ASALA {Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia}. According to sources close to Mossad, about 700 Kurdish, Greek Cypriot and Armenian militants are undergoing training in the Troodos mountains in southern Cyprus. The same sources stated that Abu Nidal's special advisers are giving military training to the PKK and ASALA militants in the camps. They added that the militants leave southern Cyprus for Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Greece and Iran after completing their training. Mossad has established that due to the clashes which were taking place among the terrorist groups based in Syria, the PKK and ASALA organisations moved to the Greek Cypriot part of Cyprus, where they would be more comfortable. They also transferred a number of their camps in northern Syria to the Troodos mountains. Mossad revealed that the Armenian National Movement, which is known as the MNA, has opened liaison offices in Nicosia, Athens and Tripoli in order to meet the needs of the camps. The offices are used to provide material support for the Armenian camps. Meanwhile, the leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Habash, is reported to have ordered his men not to participate in the operations carried out by the PKK & ASALA, which he described as ""extreme racist, extreme nationalist and fascist."" Reliable sources have said that Habash believed that the recent operations carried out by the PKK militants show that organisation to be a band of irregulars engaged in extreme nationalist operations. They added that he instructed his militants to sever their links with the PKK and avoid clashing with it. It has been established that George Habash expelled ASALA militants from his camp after ASALA's connections with drug trafficking were exposed. Source: Alan Cowell, 'U.S. & Greece in Dispute on Terror,' The New York Times, June 27, 1987, p. 4. Special to The New York Times ATHENS, June 26 - A dispute developed today between Athens and Washington over United States intelligence reports saying that Athens, for several months, conducted negotiations with the terrorist known as Abu Nidal... They said the contacts were verified in what were termed hard intelligence reports. Abu Nidal leads the Palestinian splinter group Al Fatah Revolutionary Council, implicated in the 1985 airport bombings at Rome and Vienna that contributed to the Reagan Administration's decision to bomb Tripoli, Libya, last year. In Washington, State Department officials said that when Administration officials learned about the contacts, the State Department drafted a strongly worded demarche. The officials also expressed unhappiness with Greece's dealings with ASALA, the Armenian Liberation Army, which has carried out terrorist acts against Turks.... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1135,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: >They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They >>picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked >>in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient? >We only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers >consider cruel and unusual punishment? >Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very >painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine. Well, most hangings are very quick and, I imagine, painless. >Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those >days ], etc. >All would be considered cruel under your definition. >All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers. And, hangings and firing squads are allowed today, too. And, if these things were not considered cruel, then surely a medical execution (painless) would not be, either. keith " 1136,19,"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: Walter? Lines: 15 Return-Path: Walter- I tried several times in the past to communicate with you and Susan, but you ignored me, and I don't honestly believe my letters were mean. Rather I thought they were thoughtful and compassionate, but I see now what I should have seen then. Call me naive. I give up on this group. As my Lord advised, that if you are unwelcome in a city then brush the dust of your feet and go on. If anyone cares about the topic they write to me direct, if not, well, may God bless you as well. Bye to this group. PAX " 1137,15,"From: jblanken@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (James R. Blankenship) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN Lines: 13 The only reason for the death penalty is revenge?? If you are going to try to refute a position, try to refute the whole position or acknosledge that you are only speaking to small piece of the problem. Broad sweeping ""the only reason, "" etc on as tough nut to crack as the death penalty reallly doesn't help much. Every year the FBI releases crime stats showing an overwhelming amount of crime is committed by repeat offenders. People are killed by folks who have killed (who knows how many times) before. How aobut folks who are for the death penalty, not for revenge, but to cut down on recidivism? Jim " 1138,12,"From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) Subject: What'S A Good Ic For Rs23 Lines: 13 AllTall Cool OneWhat's a good IC for RS23 TC>From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) TC>Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana TC>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL vo TC>levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone TC>a suggestion?? Thanks. Try a Maxim ""MAX232CPE"" 8 pin dil, converts 5V to 12V for 232commms. What a clever little gizmo! Peter T. " 1139,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies <1993Apr16.060540.27397@adobe.com> <1993Apr17.020347.9554@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com> Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr17.020347.9554@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com>, prg@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com (Phil Gunsul) says: > >I try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary , >schools >they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use >computers, but I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point that I don't even >edit >the files anymore, just read them and throw out the trash... And thanks to >all >you people that think it's wonderful to include a swear word or two in your >signature files, that's really nice... I have to read the whole article and >then toss it out because of the .sig. duh, why not just chop out the .sig? bob vesterman. ps: hey kids, take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents' wallets and mail them to: bob vesterman c/o dept. of mathematics university of notre dame notre dame, indiana 46556 " 1140,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: 80-bit keyseach machine Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: >Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that >read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the >machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium >that could index and archive it. Hmmmm. I think, with really large keyspaces like this, you need to alter the strategy discussed for DES. Attempt decryption of several blocks, and check the disctribution of the contents. I don't think it's at all feasible to keep 2**80 encryptions of a known plaintext block on *any* amount of tape or CD-ROM. And certainly not 2**128 such encrypted blocks. (Anyone know a cheap way of converting every atom in the solar system into a one bit storage device?) Actually, a keysearch of this kind shouldn't be much worse than the simpler kind in terms of speed. It's just that you have to do it over for *every* encrypted message. Dumb question: Has anyone ever done any serious research on how many legitimate ASCII-encoded 8-byte blocks there are that could be part of an english sentence? For attacking DES in ECB mode, it seems like a dictionary of this kind might be pretty valuable.... --John Kelsey " 1141,11,"Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) Distribution: na Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 51 In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > >> The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption >> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, >> we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have >> effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every >> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an >> unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a >> false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is >> an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, >> and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, >> balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper >> Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. > >The clear middle ground implied by these statements is to say that Americans >have the right to Clipper encryption, but not to unbreakable encryption. >This implies that, ultimately, non-Clipper strong encryption must become >illegal. [Text deleted, no value judgement implied] >It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. > >Hal Finney >hal@alumni.caltech.edu More than shocking. What this says to me is no less than that government is very interested in monitoring the public. This does more than scare me, it mortifies me. PGP and RIPEM must become widespread enough to resist what Mr. Finney has [IMHO correctly] identified as the next logical step. What was once an academic discussion with regard to concealing cyphertext, has now become a real consideration. The rhetoric that the clinton administration seems obsessed with, harmony, either or propositions, tension, tells me that they know how difficult it will be to sell this proposition. The phrase I hear more and more is ""I can't believe this is actually happening here."" Call me conserative, Clinton was a huge mistake that we'll all be paying for tommorow and many years from now. Have we approached the age of speakeasy public key depositiories? uni (Dark) -- uni@acs.bu.edu -> Public Keys by finger and/or request Public Key Archives at Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past. " 1142,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 25 Dave Ihnat (ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us) wrote: : In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: : > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this : >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor : >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt : >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. : : But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.), : the domino theory wasn't disproved at all. Ironically, the domino theory in fact *was* a reasonable metaphor for the collapse of communism, from the liberalizations in Poland and Hungary to the border crossings in the summer of '89 to the fall of the Wall later that year....and then to the ultimate collapse of the USSR. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 1143,10,"Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!! From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 28 In article , mwm@aps.anl.gov (Michael W. McDowell) writes: > In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: >> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) > I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith > put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when > deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. > If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. From this account, it doesn't sound like you even saw the goal, Mike. Smith came out from behind his own net and fired a breakout pass that hit Fuhr in the back of the leg. Fuhr was backing up at the time and never saw what happened. The puck went straight off Fuhr's leg and into the net. Fuhr never had a chance. There was no play back to the goaltender, in fact Perry Berezan of Calgary had just dumped it in and Smith was retrieving it. It was unfortunate that it happened; Smith is a nice guy and was only a rookie at the time, and on his birthday too. But all the blame lies with him. Starting in pee-wee coaches tell players never to make a cross-ice pass in front of their own net. Too much chance of having it intercepted, or hitting the goaltender, or whatever. And to the people who say that Smith cost the Oilers the series, I can only say that he certainly didn't cause the team to lose the other three games. There was no reason for a powerhouse team like Edmonton to be tied late in the third period of the 7th game of the second round. Everybody on the team has to take responsibility for them even being in that situation. Alan " 1144,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 89 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me. I >really wish I could believe in him, 'cos no matter how much confidence >I build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be >so nice to know I have someone watching over me in it... Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty. And to be honest as well, I believe you have not asked my god to come to you. Why do I say this? Because by the things you write on the net, and the manner with which you write them, you show me that you made up your own god and are attempting to pass him off as the real thing. I got news for you. Yours doesn't at all sound like mine. Your god doesn't come to you because your god doesn't exist. >I've gone into this with an open mind. I've layed my beliefs aside >from time to time when I've had doubt, and I've prayed to see what >good that would do. I don't see what more I can do to open myself to >your god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason. And >if I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some >other god? Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate... I am sorry Brian, but when I read your postings, I do not see an open mind. What I do see is misunderstanding, lack of knowledge, arrogance and mockery. >Please tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself. Be true to yourself then. Have an open mind. And so end the mockery. Gain knowledge of the real God. Put your presumptions aside. Read the Bible and know that there is, truly is, a reason for everything and there exists a God that has so much love for you that the depth of it goes beyond our shallow worldly experience. A person who commits himself to seeking God, will find God. Jesus stands at your door and knocks. But a person who half-heartedly opens the Bible, or opens it with purpose to find something to mock, will find, learn and see nothing. The only thing one will gain with that attitude is folly. Be careful to not jump the gun, for at first glance, there are many passages in the Bible that will seem bizarre and absurd. Be assured that even though they seem alien at first, be confident that they are not. Be assured that beyond your present comprehension, there lies such deep reasons that once you see them, you will indeed be satisfied. I will personally guarantee that one. As Jesus put it, ""You will never be thirsty again. Your cup will even flow over."" From King Solomon (970 B.C. to 930 B.C.): ""It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."" Jesus says in John 6:44 & 55: ""No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."" And in John 3:16: ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."" You are included in ""whosoever"". And I also pray that the Father is drawing you, which it seems He is doing else you wouldn't be posting to talk.religion.misc. Remember Brian, you could be a St. Paul in the making. Paul not only mocked Christians as you do, but also had pleasure stoning them. Yet God showed him mercy, saved him, and Paul became on of the most celebrated men in the history of God's church. You see Brian, I myself better be careful and not judge you, because you could indeed be the next Paul. For with the fervor that you attack Christians, one day you might find yourself one, and like Paul, proclaim the good news of Jesus with that very same fervor or more. Or you could be the next Peter. What Jesus said to Peter, Jesus would probably say to you: ""Satan would surely like to have you."" Why so? Because Peter was hard-headed, cynical and demonstrated great moments of stupidity, but once Peter committed himself to a task he did with full heart. Peter was the only apostle to have the faith to walk on water as Jesus did. You asked ""Why not believe in Zeus?"" Zeus didn't offer eternal life. You got nothing to gain by believing in Zeus. ------------------------------- Brian Ceccarelli brian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu " 1145,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat... Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 33 In article 1443@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team. And that is >simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to go >around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" centre? Doug >Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would take either Gretzky >or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you think Gretzky could cover >Bob Gainey? Gretzky, Lemieux, Gilmour etc do not play the role of checking centreman. They play an offensive role as opposed to a defensive one. If they were used as defensive centres it would be a waste of their offensive abilities. When you compare Gretzky et al to Jarvis, Gainey etc you are comparing apples and oranges. It is like me telling you that Felix Potvin isn't very good because a team would be better if the had Lemieux instead of him. Sure Lemieux is a better player, but he is a different type of player. For a team to be successful, they need to have all types of players- this includes defensive forwards. When compared with other defensive forwards, Bob Gainey is the greatest defensive forward ever. He is the player who's talents best suited being a defensive forward- who completely dominated the game when he played. Maybe if a more talented player such as Gretzky had decided to waste his offensive talents and play defensively, he could have been a better defensive forward, but he wasn't. Bob Gainey is the best defensive forward that has ever played hockey. Gregmeister " 1146,14,"From: bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu (Mark Bradford) Subject: Astro/Space Frequently Seen Acronyms Supersedes: Organization: LifeForms Unlimited, Cephalopods Lines: 509 Expires: 19 May 1993 04:00:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Keywords: long space astro tla acronyms X-Last-Updated: 1992/12/07 Archive-name: space/acronyms Edition: 8 Acronym List for sci.astro, sci.space, and sci.space.shuttle: Edition 8, 1992 Dec 7 Last posted: 1992 Aug 27 This list is offered as a reference for translating commonly appearing acronyms in the space-related newsgroups. If I forgot or botched your favorite acronym, please let me know! Also, if there's an acronym *not* on this list that confuses you, drop me a line, and if I can figure it out, I'll add it to the list. Note that this is intended to be a reference for *frequently seen* acronyms, and is most emphatically *not* encyclopedic. If I incorporated every acronym I ever saw, I'd soon run out of disk space! :-) The list will be posted at regular intervals, every 30 days. All comments regarding it are welcome; I'm reachable as bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu. Note that this just tells what the acronyms stand for -- you're on your own for figuring out what they *mean*! Note also that the total number of acronyms in use far exceeds what I can list; special-purpose acronyms that are essentially always explained as they're introduced are omitted. Further, some acronyms stand for more than one thing; as of Edition 3 of the list, these acronyms appear on multiple lines, unless they're simply different ways of referring to the same thing. Thanks to everybody who's sent suggestions since the first version of the list, and especially to Garrett A. Wollman (wollman@griffin.uvm.edu), who is maintaining an independent list, somewhat more verbose in character than mine, and to Daniel Fischer (dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de), who is maintaining a truly HUGE list (535 at last count) of acronyms and terms, mostly in German (which I read, fortunately). Special thanks this time to Ken Hollis at NASA, who sent me a copy of NASA Reference Publication 1059 Revised: _Space Transportation System and Associated Payloads: Glossary, Acronyms, and Abbreviations_, a truly mammoth tome -- almost 300 pages of TLAs. Special Bonus! At the end of this posting, you will find a perl program written by none other than Larry Wall, whose purpose is to scramble the acronym list in an entertaining fashion. Thanks, Larry! A&A: Astronomy and Astrophysics AAO: Anglo-Australian Observatory AAS: American Astronomical Society AAS: American Astronautical Society AAVSO: American Association of Variable Star Observers ACE: Advanced Composition Explorer ACRV: Assured Crew Return Vehicle (or) Astronaut Crew Rescue Vehicle ADFRF: Ames-Dryden Flight Research Facility (was DFRF) (NASA) AGN: Active Galactic Nucleus AGU: American Geophysical Union AIAA: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics AIPS: Astronomical Image Processing System AJ: Astronomical Journal ALEXIS: Array of Low Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors ALPO: Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers ALS: Advanced Launch System ANSI: American National Standards Institute AOA: Abort Once Around (Shuttle abort plan) AOCS: Attitude and Orbit Control System Ap.J: Astrophysical Journal APM: Attached Pressurized Module (a.k.a. Columbus) APU: Auxiliary Power Unit ARC: Ames Research Center (NASA) ARTEMIS: Advanced Relay TEchnology MISsion ASA: Astronomical Society of the Atlantic ASI: Agenzia Spaziale Italiano ASRM: Advanced Solid Rocket Motor ATDRS: Advanced Tracking and Data Relay Satellite ATLAS: Atmospheric Laboratory for Applications and Science ATM: Amateur Telescope Maker ATO: Abort To Orbit (Shuttle abort plan) AU: Astronomical Unit AURA: Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy AW&ST: Aviation Week and Space Technology (a.k.a. AvLeak) AXAF: Advanced X-ray Astrophysics Facility BATSE: Burst And Transient Source Experiment (on CGRO) BBXRT: Broad-Band X-Ray Telescope (ASTRO package) BEM: Bug-Eyed Monster BH: Black Hole BIMA: Berkeley Illinois Maryland Array BNSC: British National Space Centre BTW: By The Way C&T: Communications & Tracking CCAFS: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station CCD: Charge-Coupled Device CCDS: Centers for the Commercial Development of Space CD-ROM: Compact Disk Read-Only Memory CFA: Center For Astrophysics CFC: ChloroFluoroCarbon CFF: Columbus Free Flyer CFHT: Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope CGRO: (Arthur Holley) Compton Gamma Ray Observatory (was GRO) CHARA: Center for High Angular Resolution Astronomy CIRRIS: Cryogenic InfraRed Radiance Instrument for Shuttle CIT: Circumstellar Imaging Telescope CM: Command Module (Apollo spacecraft) CMCC: Central Mission Control Centre (ESA) CNES: Centre National d'Etude Spatiales CNO: Carbon-Nitrogen-Oxygen CNSR: Comet Nucleus Sample Return COBE: COsmic Background Explorer COMPTEL: COMPton TELescope (on CGRO) COSTAR: Corrective Optics Space Telescope Axial Replacement CRAF: Comet Rendezvous / Asteroid Flyby CRRES: Combined Release / Radiation Effects Satellite CSM: Command and Service Module (Apollo spacecraft) CSTC: Consolidated Satellite Test Center (USAF) CTIO: Cerro Tololo Interamerican Observatory DCX: Delta Clipper eXperimental DDCU: DC-to-DC Converter Unit DFRF: Dryden Flight Research Facility (now ADFRF) DMSP: Defense Meteorological Satellite Program DOD: Department Of Defense (sometimes DoD) DOE: Department Of Energy DOT: Department Of Transportation DSCS: Defense Satellite Communications System DSN: Deep Space Network DSP: Defense Support Program (USAF/NRO) EAFB: Edwards Air Force Base ECS: Environmental Control System EDO: Extended Duration Orbiter EGRET: Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (on CGRO) EJASA: Electronic Journal of the Astronomical Society of the Atlantic ELV: Expendable Launch Vehicle EMU: Extravehicular Mobility Unit EOS: Earth Observing System ERS: Earth Resources Satellite (as in ERS-1) ESA: European Space Agency ESO: European Southern Observatory ET: (Shuttle) External Tank ETLA: Extended Three Letter Acronym ETR: Eastern Test Range EUV: Extreme UltraViolet EUVE: Extreme UltraViolet Explorer EVA: ExtraVehicular Activity FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions FAST: Fast Auroral SnapshoT explorer FFT: Fast Fourier Transform FGS: Fine Guidance Sensors (on HST) FHST: Fixed Head Star Trackers (on HST) FIR: Far InfraRed FITS: Flexible Image Transport System FOC: Faint Object Camera (on HST) FOS: Faint Object Spectrograph (on HST) FRR: Flight-Readiness Review FTP: File Transfer Protocol FTS: Flight Telerobotic Servicer FUSE: Far Ultraviolet Spectroscopic Explorer FWHM: Full Width at Half Maximum FYI: For Your Information GAS: Get-Away Special GBT: Green Bank Telescope GCVS: General Catalog of Variable Stars GEM: Giotto Extended Mission GEO: Geosynchronous Earth Orbit GDS: Great Dark Spot GHRS: Goddard High Resolution Spectrograph (on HST) GIF: Graphics Interchange Format GLOMR: Global Low-Orbiting Message Relay GMC: Giant Molecular Cloud GMRT: Giant Meter-wave Radio Telescope GMT: Greenwich Mean Time (also called UT) GOES: Geostationary Orbiting Environmental Satellite GOX: Gaseous OXygen GPC: General Purpose Computer GPS: Global Positioning System GRO: Gamma Ray Observatory (now CGRO) GRS: Gamma Ray Spectrometer (on Mars Observer) GRS: Great Red Spot GSC: Guide Star Catalog (for HST) GSFC: Goddard Space Flight Center (NASA) GTO: Geostationary Transfer Orbit HAO: High Altitude Observatory HD: Henry Draper catalog entry HEAO: High Energy Astronomical Observatory HeRA: Hermes Robotic Arm HF: High Frequency HGA: High Gain Antenna HLC: Heavy Lift Capability HLV: Heavy Lift Vehicle HMC: Halley Multicolor Camera (on Giotto) HR: Hertzsprung-Russell (diagram) HRI: High Resolution Imager (on ROSAT) HSP: High Speed Photometer (on HST) HST: Hubble Space Telescope HUT: Hopkins Ultraviolet Telescope (ASTRO package) HV: High Voltage IAPPP: International Amateur/Professional Photoelectric Photometry IAU: International Astronomical Union IAUC: IAU Circular ICE: International Cometary Explorer IDA: International Dark-sky Association IDL: Interactive Data Language IGM: InterGalactic Medium IGY: International Geophysical Year IMHO: In My Humble Opinion IOTA: Infrared-Optical Telescope Array IOTA: International Occultation Timing Association IPS: Inertial Pointing System IR: InfraRed IRAF: Image Reduction and Analysis Facility IRAS: InfraRed Astronomical Satellite ISAS: Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (Japan) ISM: InterStellar Medium ISO: Infrared Space Observatory ISO: International Standards Organization ISPM: International Solar Polar Mission (now Ulysses) ISY: International Space Year IUE: International Ultraviolet Explorer IUS: Inertial Upper Stage JEM: Japanese Experiment Module (for SSF) JGR: Journal of Geophysical Research JILA: Joint Institute for Laboratory Astrophysics JPL: Jet Propulsion Laboratory JSC: Johnson Space Center (NASA) KAO: Kuiper Airborne Observatory KPNO: Kitt Peak National Observatory KSC: Kennedy Space Center (NASA) KTB: Cretaceous-Tertiary Boundary (from German) LANL: Los Alamos National Laboratory LaRC: Langley Research Center (NASA) LDEF: Long Duration Exposure Facility LEM: Lunar Excursion Module (a.k.a. LM) (Apollo spacecraft) LEO: Low Earth Orbit LeRC: Lewis Research Center (NASA) LEST: Large Earth-based Solar Telescope LFSA: List of Frequently Seen Acronyms (!) LGA: Low Gain Antenna LGM: Little Green Men LH: Liquid Hydrogen (also LH2 or LHX) LLNL: Lawrence-Livermore National Laboratory LM: Lunar Module (a.k.a. LEM) (Apollo spacecraft) LMC: Large Magellanic Cloud LN2: Liquid N2 (Nitrogen) LOX: Liquid OXygen LRB: Liquid Rocket Booster LSR: Local Standard of Rest LTP: Lunar Transient Phenomenon MB: Manned Base MCC: Mission Control Center MECO: Main Engine CutOff MMH: MonoMethyl Hydrazine MMT: Multiple Mirror Telescope MMU: Manned Maneuvering Unit MNRAS: Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society MOC: Mars Observer Camera (on Mars Observer) MOL: Manned Orbiting Laboratory MOLA: Mars Observer Laser Altimeter (on Mars Observer) MOMV: Manned Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle MOTV: Manned Orbital Transfer Vehicle MPC: Minor Planets Circular MRSR: Mars Rover and Sample Return MRSRM: Mars Rover and Sample Return Mission MSFC: (George C.) Marshall Space Flight Center (NASA) MTC: Man Tended Capability NACA: National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics (became NASA) NASA: National Aeronautics and Space Administration NASDA: NAtional Space Development Agency (Japan) NASM: National Air and Space Museum NASP: National AeroSpace Plane NBS: National Bureau of Standards (now NIST) NDV: NASP Derived Vehicle NERVA: Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle Application NGC: New General Catalog NICMOS: Near Infrared Camera / Multi Object Spectrometer (HST upgrade) NIMS: Near-Infrared Mapping Spectrometer (on Galileo) NIR: Near InfraRed NIST: National Institute for Standards and Technology (was NBS) NLDP: National Launch Development Program NOAA: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration NOAO: National Optical Astronomy Observatories NRAO: National Radio Astronomy Observatory NRO: National Reconnaissance Office NS: Neutron Star NSA: National Security Agency NSF: National Science Foundation NSO: National Solar Observatory NSSDC: National Space Science Data Center NTR: Nuclear Thermal Rocket(ry) NTT: New Technology Telescope OAO: Orbiting Astronomical Observatory OCST: Office of Commercial Space Transportation OMB: Office of Management and Budget OMS: Orbital Maneuvering System OPF: Orbiter Processing Facility ORFEUS: Orbiting and Retrievable Far and Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer OSC: Orbital Sciences Corporation OSCAR: Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio OSSA: Office of Space Science and Applications OSSE: Oriented Scintillation Spectrometer Experiment (on CGRO) OTA: Optical Telescope Assembly (on HST) OTHB: Over The Horizon Backscatter OTV: Orbital Transfer Vehicle OV: Orbital Vehicle PAM: Payload Assist Module PAM-D: Payload Assist Module, Delta-class PI: Principal Investigator PLSS: Portable Life Support System PM: Pressurized Module PMC: Permanently Manned Capability PMIRR: Pressure Modulated InfraRed Radiometer (on Mars Observer) PMT: PhotoMultiplier Tube PSF: Point Spread Function PSR: PulSaR PV: Photovoltaic PVO: Pioneer Venus Orbiter QSO: Quasi-Stellar Object RCI: Rodent Cage Interface (for SLS mission) RCS: Reaction Control System REM: Rat Enclosure Module (for SLS mission) RF: Radio Frequency RFI: Radio Frequency Interference RIACS: Research Institute for Advanced Computer Science RMS: Remote Manipulator System RNGC: Revised New General Catalog ROSAT: ROentgen SATellite ROUS: Rodents Of Unusual Size (I don't believe they exist) RSN: Real Soon Now RTG: Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator RTLS: Return To Launch Site (Shuttle abort plan) SAA: South Atlantic Anomaly SAGA: Solar Array Gain Augmentation (for HST) SAMPEX: Solar Anomalous and Magnetospheric Particle EXplorer SAO: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory SAR: Search And Rescue SAR: Synthetic Aperture Radar SARA: Satellite pour Astronomie Radio Amateur SAREX: Search and Rescue Exercise SAREX: Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment SAS: Space Activity Suit SAS: Space Adaptation Syndrome SAT: Synthetic Aperture Telescope S/C: SpaceCraft SCA: Shuttle Carrier Aircraft SCT: Schmidt-Cassegrain Telescope SDI: Strategic Defense Initiative SDIO: Strategic Defense Initiative Organization SEI: Space Exploration Initiative SEST: Swedish ESO Submillimeter Telescope SETI: Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence SID: Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance SIR: Shuttle Imaging Radar SIRTF: Space (formerly Shuttle) InfraRed Telescope Facility SL: SpaceLab SLAR: Side-Looking Airborne Radar SLC: Space Launch Complex SLS: Space(lab) Life Sciences SMC: Small Magellanic Cloud SME: Solar Mesosphere Explorer SMEX: SMall EXplorers SMM: Solar Maximum Mission SN: SuperNova (e.g., SN1987A) SNR: Signal to Noise Ratio SNR: SuperNova Remnant SNU: Solar Neutrino Units SOFIA: Stratospheric Observatory For Infrared Astronomy SOHO: SOlar Heliospheric Observatory SPAN: Space Physics and Analysis Network SPDM: Special Purpose Dextrous Manipulator SPOT: Systeme Probatoire pour l'Observation de la Terre SPS: Solar Power Satellite SRB: Solid Rocket Booster SRM: Solid Rocket Motor SSF: Space Station Fred (er, Freedom) SSI: Solid-State Imager (on Galileo) SSI: Space Studies Institut SSME: Space Shuttle Main Engine SSPF: Space Station Processing Facility SSRMS: Space Station Remote Manipulator System SST: Spectroscopic Survey Telescope SST: SuperSonic Transport SSTO: Single Stage To Orbit STIS: Space Telescope Imaging Spectrometer (to replace FOC and GHRS) STS: Shuttle Transport System (or) Space Transportation System STScI: Space Telescope Science Institute SWAS: Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite SWF: ShortWave Fading TAL: Transatlantic Abort Landing (Shuttle abort plan) TAU: Thousand Astronomical Unit (mission) TCS: Thermal Control System TDRS: Tracking and Data Relay Satellite TDRSS: Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System TES: Thermal Emission Spectrometer (on Mars Observer) TIROS: Television InfraRed Observation Satellite TLA: Three Letter Acronym TOMS: Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer TPS: Thermal Protection System TSS: Tethered Satellite System UARS: Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite UBM: Unpressurized Berthing Mechanism UDMH: Unsymmetrical DiMethyl Hydrazine UFO: Unidentified Flying Object UGC: Uppsala General Catalog UHF: Ultra High Frequency UIT: Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (Astro package) UKST: United Kingdom Schmidt Telescope USAF: United States Air Force USMP: United States Microgravity Payload UT: Universal Time (a.k.a. GMT, UTC, or Zulu Time) UTC: Coordinated Universal Time (a.k.a. UT) UV: UltraViolet UVS: UltraViolet Spectrometer VAB: Vehicle Assembly Building (formerly Vertical Assembly Building) VAFB: Vandenberg Air Force Base VEEGA: Venus-Earth-Earth Gravity Assist (Galileo flight path) VHF: Very High Frequency VLA: Very Large Array VLBA: Very Long Baseline Array VLBI: Very Long Baseline Interferometry VLF: Very Low Frequency VLT: Very Large Telescope VMS: Vertical Motion Simulator VOIR: Venus Orbiting Imaging Radar (superseded by VRM) VPF: Vertical Processing Facility VRM: Venus Radar Mapper (now called Magellan) WD: White Dwarf WFPC: Wide Field / Planetary Camera (on HST) WFPCII: Replacement for WFPC WIYN: Wisconsin / Indiana / Yale / NOAO telescope WSMR: White Sands Missile Range WTR: Western Test Range WUPPE: Wisconsin Ultraviolet PhotoPolarimter Experiment (Astro package) XMM: X-ray Multi Mirror XUV: eXtreme UltraViolet YSO: Young Stellar Object #!/usr/bin/perl # 'alt', An Acronym Scrambling Program, by Larry Wall $THRESHOLD = 2; srand; while (<>) { next unless /^([A-Z]\S+): */; $key = $1; $acro{$key} = $'; @words = split(/\W+/,$'); unshift(@words,$key); $off = 0; foreach $word (@words) { next unless $word =~ /^[A-Z]/; *w = $&; vec($w{$word}, $off++ % 6, 1) = 1; } } foreach $letter (A .. Z) { *w = $letter; @w = keys %w; if (@w < $THRESHOLD) { @d = `egrep '^$letter' /usr/dict/words`; chop @d; push(@w, @d); } } foreach $key (sort keys %acro) { $off = 0; $acro = $acro{$key}; $acro =~ s/((([A-Z])[A-Z]*)[a-z]*)/ &pick($3, $2, $1, ++$off) || $& /eg; print ""$key: $acro""; } sub pick { local($letter, $prefix, $oldword, $off) = @_; $i = 0; if (length($prefix) > 1 && index($key,$prefix) < 0) { if ($prefix eq $oldword) { $prefix = ''; } else { $prefix = $letter; } } if (length($prefix) > 1) { local(*w) = substr($prefix,0,1); do { $word = $w[rand @w]; } until $word ne $oldword && $word =~ /^$prefix/i || ++$i > 30; $word =~ s/^$prefix/$prefix/i; $word; } elsif (length($prefix) == 1) { local(*w) = $prefix; do { $word = $w[rand @w]; } until $word ne $oldword && vec($w{$word}, $off, 1) || ++$i > 10; $word = ""\u\L$word"" if $word =~ tr/a-z/A-Z/; $word; } else { local(*w) = substr($oldword,0,1); do { $word = $w[rand @w]; } until $word ne $oldword && $word =~ tr/a-z/A-Z/ == 0 || ++$i > 30; $word; } } -- Mark Bradford (bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu) <> To err is human, to moo bovine. ""It's an ill wind that gathers no moss."" " 1147,2,"From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Article-I.D.: ics.2BD73621.3894 Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu I edited a few newsgroup from that line (don't like to crosspost THAT much). I can't compare the two, but I recently got an HP DeskJet 500. I'm very pleased with the output (remember that I'm used to imagens, laser and postscript printers at school -- looks very good. You have to be careful to let it dry before touching it, as it will smudge. The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares. The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not had any problems with it. Hope that helps some. --Cindy -- Cindy Tittle Moore Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716 " 1148,0,"From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio de Re) Subject: A fundamental contradiction (was: A visit from JWs) Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA Organization: MegaByte Digital Telecommunications Lines: 35 jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >""Will"" is ""self-determination"". In other words, God created conscious >beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently >of God. All ""will"", therefore, is ""free will"". The above is probably not the most representative paragraph, but I thought I'd hop on, anyway... What strikes me as self-contradicting in the fable of Lucifer's fall - which, by the way, I seem to recall to be more speculation than based on biblical text, but my ex RCism may be showing - is that, as Benedikt pointed out, Lucifer had perfect nature, yet he had the free will to ""choose"" evil. But where did that choice come from? We know from Genesis that Eve was offered an opportunity to sin by a tempter which many assume was Satan, but how did Lucifer discover, invent, create, call the action what you will, something that God had not given origin to? Also, where in the Bible is there mention of Lucifer's free will? We make a big fuss about mankind having free will, but it strikes me as being an after-the-fact rationalisation, and in fact, like salvation, not one that all Christians believe in identically. At least in my mind, salvation and free will are very tightly coupled, but then my theology was Roman Catholic... Still, how do theologian explain Lucifer's fall? If Lucifer had perfect nature (did man?) how could he fall? How could he execute an act that (a) contradicted his nature and (b) in effect cause evil to exist for the first time? -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA) - tab stops at four. " 1149,18,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Diplomat License Plates Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 21 Distribution: va NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr13.123404.18191@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: | |Automobiles belonging to personnel associated with the embassies from various |nations have diplomatic license plates. They are red, white, and blue and |read DLL #### where ""L"" is a letter and the #'s are numbers. The ""D"" means >diplomatic and the ""L""s indicate which country. A few years ago the actually, teh D means the registered driver has diplomatic immunity. That means they can do as they damn well please on the roads, and you have only God as your protection. The state Department Issues Saa-XXX plates for personnel who work at the embassies but haven't been granted immunity. Most embassies have restricted parking for embassy personell street side. The S plates allow them to use those parking areas as well as the restricted lots at National and State dept, without a lot of crap. pat " 1150,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Magellan Update - 04/23/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Magellan, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT April 23, 1993 1. The Magellan spacecraft continues to operate normally, gathering gravity data to plot the density variations of Venus in the mid-latitudes. The solar panel offpoint was returned to zero degrees and spacecraft temperatures dropped 2-3 degrees C. 2. An end-to-end test of the Delayed Aerobraking Data readout process was conducted this week in preparation for the Transition Experiment. There was some difficulty locking up to the data frames, and engineers are presently checking whether the problem was in equipment at the tracking station. 3. Magellan has completed 7277 orbits of Venus and is now 32 days from the end of Cycle 4 and the start of the Transition Experiment. 4. Magellan scientists were participating in the Brown-Vernadsky Microsymposium at Brown University in Providence, RI, this week. This joint meeting of U.S. and Russian Venus researchers has been continuing for many years. 5. A three-day simulation of Transition Experiment aerobraking activities is planned for next week, including Orbit Trim Maneuvers and Starcal (Star calibration) Orbits. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 1151,0,"From: Tony Lezard Subject: Re: atheist? Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 50 I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > In article > Tony Lezard writes: > > (Deletion) > > > >My opinion is that the strong atheist position requires too much > >belief for me to be comfortable with. Any strong atheists out there > >care to comment? >[...] > Humans just come up with the idea of a spiritual parent. It is one > of the artifacts of human thought. The evidence for that is quite > overwhelming. And the information content of the conceived is vanishing. > > In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and > it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods. > > The concept is useless, and I don't have to introduce new assumptions > in order to show that. > > No leap of faith required for me. Your mileage may vary. Yes I fully agree with that, but is it ""I don't believe gods exist"", or ""I believe no gods exist""? As MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) pointed out, it all hinges on what you take the word ""believe"" to mean. Unfortunately this is bound up in the definitions of strong and weak atheism, at least according to the FAQ: # Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God. # Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is # often referred to as the ""weak atheist"" position, and the latter as ""strong # atheism"". # # It is important to note the difference between these two positions. ""Weak # atheism"" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. ""Strong # atheism"" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not # fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are ""strong atheists"". (From mathew's ""An Introduction to Atheism"" version 1.2 last modified 5-Apr-93) Should the FAQ be clarified to try to pin down this notion of ""belief""? Can it? -- Tony Lezard IS tony@mantis.co.uk OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk OR things like tony%uk.co.mantis@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay OR (last resort) arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk PGP 2.2 public key available on request. " 1152,13,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 17 In article <9304191126.AA21125@seastar.seashell> bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) writes: > >My 6 year son is so plagued. Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems >to keep it under control. But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for >days! Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute. But again, the >vaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring. > If you can get it, you might want to try a Canadian over-the-counter product called Secaris, which is a water-soluble gel. Compared to Vaseline or other greasy ointments, Secaris seems more compatible with the moisture that's already there. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 1153,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: No land for peace - No negotiatians Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 52 hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >Ok. I donot know why there are israeli voices against negotiations. However, >i would guess that is because they refuse giving back a land for those who >have the right for it. Sounds like wishful guessing. >As for the Arabian and Palestinean voices that are against the >current negotiations and the so-called peace process, they >are not against peace per se, but rather for their well-founded predictions >that Israel would NOT give an inch of the West bank (and most probably the same >for Golan Heights) back to the Arabs. An 18 months of ""negotiations"" in Madrid, >and Washington proved these predictions. Now many will jump on me saying why >are you blaming israelis for no-result negotiations. >I would say why would the Arabs stall the negotiations, what do they have to >loose ? 'So-called' ? What do you mean ? How would you see the peace process? So you say palestineans do not negociate because of 'well-founded' predictions ? How do you know that they are 'well founded' if you do not test them at the table ? 18 months did not prove anything, but it's always the other side at fault, right ? Why ? I do not know why, but if, let's say, the Palestineans (some of them) want ALL ISRAEL, and these are known not to be accepted terms by israelis. Or, maybe they (palestinenans) are not yet ready for statehood ? Or, maybe there is too much politics within the palestinean leadership, too many fractions aso ? I am not saying that one of these reasons is indeed the real one, but any of these could make arabs stall the negotiations. >Arabs feel that the current ""negotiations"" is ONLY for legitimizing the current >status-quo and for opening the doors of the Arab markets for israeli trade and >""oranges"". That is simply unacceptable and would be revoked. I like California oranges. And the feelings may get sharper at the table. Regards, Dorin " 1154,4,"From: cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) Subject: Re: IIvx -> C650 Upgrade Question Distribution: comp Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science Lines: 18 In article jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >If you get teh IIvx ->C650 upgrade, does it include a new sticker to >cover the IIvx identifier with a Centris 650 indetifier? I can't say for sure with the IIvx -> C650 upgrade, but I wondered the same thing when I ordered my LC -> LC III upgrade. Turns out the ""upgrade"" is actually an entire CPU minus any disk drives. You pull the floppy and hard drives out of the old one, stick them in the new one, and you've got an LC III. The IIvx -> C650 may be the same thing. It might be something to look into for those people who are unhappy that Apple only sells Macs pre-packaged with the drives. Of course, the price is quite a bit higher without the trade-in... (-Brian cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu " 1155,14,"From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 19 I posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here. Thought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-) What? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting the daytime and nightime skies? Actually an oribital sign would only be visible near sunset and sunrise, I believe. So pollution at night would be minimal. If it pays for space travel, go for it. Those who don't like spatial billboards can then head for the pristine environment of Jupiter's moons :-) --- Thomas Clarke Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL 12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826 (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu " 1156,17,"From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) Subject: Re: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16 HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you. You are getting itchy as your fucking country. Hey , and dont give me that freedom of speach bullshit once more. Because your freedom has ended when you started writing things about my people. And try to translate this ""ebenin donu butti kafa David."". BYE, ANACIM HADE. TIMUCIN -- KAAN,TIMUCIN Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu " 1157,12,Subject: Re: Exploding TV! From: xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 12 In article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes: >... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? It's not the picture tube. More likely the flyback. Emerson? can't admire. Han >Prasad >prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu > 1158,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Dodgers Take 2 Straight From Pirates Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 25 In article <1qqob2INNqev@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes: >Davis and Strawberry attributed their turn arounds to Reggie Smith, >the Dodger batting coach who flew in from Florida three days >ago and gave them a pep talk and some instruction. Davis was >4-5 yesterday and had a couple more hits today. Strawberry >had two hits yesterday and I believe he had two more today, with >two home runs. Foolish me. And here I thought it had something to do with the fact that they were hitting against Wakefield, who had no ""kncukle"" to his ball that day, and Otto, who has no stuff. I wonder if Reggie gave the same pep talk and instruction to the rest of the lineup, who also suddenly came alive those two games. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 1159,6,"From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang) Subject: FOR SALE: C-128 system w/Printer : $130 OBO Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 20 ========================= commodore 128 epson homewriter 10 9 pin printer 1571 d/s disk drive 2 joysticks 1 mouse lotsa software, both games and apps. rapid fire joystick adapter ========================== about a year old $130 OBO -- ********************************************************************** C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook E_ngineer ********************************************************************** " 1160,5,"From: abarden@tybse1.uucp (Ann Marie Barden) Subject: X-Terminal Config. file question Organization: Tybrin Corporation, Shalimar, FL Distribution: usa Lines: 19 QUESTION: What is the EXACT entry (parameter and syntax please), in the X-Terminal configuration file (loaded when the X-Terminal boots), to add another system to the TCP/IP access control list? BACKGROUND: I have two unix systems, 1. an AT&T 3B2 running X11R3 and MIT's X11R4 and 2. a Sun SS10 without any X. I want to have a window to the Sun and the 3B2 on the NCD X-Terminal at the same time. I can do this if I manually set the Network Parameter TCP/IP Access Control List to off, then login to my telnet session. Not Great! I've tried to get ""xhost"" to work and failed. Either my syntax is wrong or the X11R3 implementation is bogus. I am trying to edit the NCD configuration file that is loaded when the NCD boots. No matter what entry I add or edit, the NCD still boots with the TCP/IP Access Control list containing only the 3B2. My manuals are worthless so any help would be most appreciated!! Thanks! Ann Marie Barden abarden@afseo.eglin.af.mil " 1161,8,"From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis) Subject: European M/C Insurance Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: os-d.isc-br.com Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there? An Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years, and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance. So I thought I'd ask... I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement), and have had for 30 years. I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety instructor, if that info might help. I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy. -- H. Marc Lewis | ""There are two kinds of people in the world -- Olivetti North America | those who divide everything in the world into marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"" " 1162,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 20 In article <1667.Apr1821.58.3593@silverton.berkeley.edu>, djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes: > Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is > a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a > new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three > keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole > knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as > E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it. > > The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when > someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M > the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C. > The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed > from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key > escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted? Via K_P, of course. Nothing was said about where K_P comes from. It's the session key, though, and it's chosen however you usually choose session keys --- exponential key exchange, shared secret, RSA, etc. But however you choose it, the chip will apparently emit the escrow header when you do. " 1163,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: >So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act >>to be moral one? That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality, >>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard it? >No, I'm saying that in order for an act to be moral or immoral, somebody/ >someone/something must _consider_ it to be so. That implies intelligence, >not instinct. Who has to consider it? The being that does the action? I'm still not sure I know what you are trying to say. keith " 1164,8,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no! Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 53 Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote: : I hate to admit this, and I'm still mentally kicking myself for it. : I rode the brand new K75RT home last Friday night. 100 miles in rain : and darkness. No problems. Got it home and put it on the center stand. : The next day I pushed it off the center stand in preparation for going : over to a friend's house to pose. You guessed it. It got away from me : and landed on its right side. : Scratched the lower fairing, cracked the right mirror, and cracked the : upper fairing. : *DAMN* am I stupid! It's going to cost me ~$200 to get the local : body shop to fix it. And that is after I take the fairing off for them. : Still, that's probably cheaper than the mirror alone if I bought a : replacement from BMW. You got off cheap. My sister's ex-boyfriend was such an incessant pain in the ass about wanting to ride my bikes (no way, Jose) that I finally took him to Lindner's BMW in New Canaan, CT last fall where I had seen a nice, used K100RS in perfect condition. After telling everyone in the shop his Norton war stories from fifteen years ago, signing the liability waiver, and getting his pre-flight, off he went... Well, not quite. I walked out of a pizza shop up the street, feeling good about myself (made my sister's boyfriend happy and got the persistent wanker off my ass for good), heard the horrendous racket of an engine tortured to its red line and then a crash. I saw people running towards the obvious source of the disturbance... Jeff laying under the BMW with the rear wheel spinning wildly and someone groping for the kill switch. I stared in disbelief with a slice hanging out of my mouth as Matty, the shop manager, slid up beside me and asked, ""Friend of yours, Steve?"". ""Shit, Matty, it could have been worse. That could been my FLHS!"" Jeff hadn't made it 10 inches. Witnesses said he lifted his feet before letting out the clutch and gravity got the best of him. Jeff claimed that the clutch didn't engage. Matty was quick. While Jeff was still stuttering in embarrassed shock he managed to snatch Jeff's credit card for a quick imprint and signature. Twenty minutes later, when Jeff's color had paled to a flush, Matty presented him with an estimate of $580 for a busted right mirror and a hairline crack in the fairing. That was for fixing the crack and masking the damaged area, not a new fairing. Or he could buy the bike. I'm not sure what happened later as my sister split up with Jeff shortly afterwards (to hook up with another piece of work) except that Matty told me he ran the charge through in December and that it went uncontested. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 1165,18,"From: fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Nntp-Posting-Host: trumpet.cc.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 35 kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes: >Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: >: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the >: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, >: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior >: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us >: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and >: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. >: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. >: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this. He seems to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well. >Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; > >I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. > >Eliminate the C-17 transport. Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, very few airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the answer. What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane from scatch? It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls again, for it to be scrapped. THe other option is to try to extend the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old. >Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. >Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it. We especially don't need a B-2. THe SSN-21, I know litttle about. fpa " 1166,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <93109.172450U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz [...] > It is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up > the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on the > gang thing. Everyone else seemed to just skim by that part. > > Jason I guess that just means ""Everyone else"" was mistaken? Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 1167,14,"From: keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 80 In article <1993Apr21.150545.24058@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) wrote: > > In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > > >>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is > >>enough to do it if the vehicle exists. > > >Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough > >to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of > >course, they may be over-optimistic. > > In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their > cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO > is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience > base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as > much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G > range. > For the purpose of a contest, I'd bet some things could be cut. Like fuel for re-entry, any kind of heat shielding, etc., etc. Even still, if the contest participants had to fund DC-1 development, it probably wouldn't be worth it to develop DC-1 (just for the contest). Just give me the cheapest heaviest lift man rated (or at least under 6 or so Gs) booster... If I don't have to pay for DC-1 development, great!, I'll use it. But back to the contest goals, there was a recent article in AW&ST about a low cost (it's all relative...) manned return to the moon. A General Dynamics scheme involving a Titan IV & Shuttle to lift a Centaur upper stage, LEV, and crew capsule. The mission consists of delivering two unmanned payloads to the lunar surface, followed by a manned mission. Total cost: US was $10-$13 billion. Joint ESA(?)/NASA project was $6-$9 billion for the US share. I didn't find a mention of how long the crew could stay, but I'd bet that its around 30 days. And the total payload delivered was about 30 metric tonnes. So if you ignore the scientific payload, hitch a ride in the crew habitation module (no return trip...), and toss in a few more tonnes for the additional consumables to last another 11 months, then you *might* be able to get a year visit out of 15 tonnes (and in case its not obvious, that's a wild ass guess). A pretty boring visit, since every trip outdoors eats up a bit of LOX. And I'm not certain if a home brewed (or college-brewed) life support system could last a year. But let's round this up to 19.4 tonnes (convient, since the GD plan talks about 9.7 ton payloads delivered to the lunar surface. This adds up to two Centaurs, two LEVs, two Shuttle flights... All to put a single man on the moon for a year. Hmmm. Not really practical. Anyone got a cheaper/better way of delivering 15-20 tonnes to the lunar surface within the decade? Anyone have a more precise guess about how much a year's supply of consumables and equipment would weigh? And I was wondering about the GD LEV. Is it reusable? Or is it discarded to burn up on return to LEO? If its not discarded, could it be refueled? Henry: Do you know anything about the GD LEV? I noted that it uses RL-10 engines. Aren't they reusable/restartable? Would a LEV fit in a DC-1? I've forgotten (if I ever knew) what the cargo bay dimensions are for the DC-1. All in all, I'm not certain that the single goal/prize of staying on the moon for a year is wise and/or useful. How about: A prize for the first non-government sponsered unmanned moon landing, then another for a manned moon landing, then yet another for a system to extract consumables from lunar soil, another for a reusable earth/moon shuttle, and so forth. Find some way to build civilian moonbase infrastructure... Having a single goal might result in a bunch of contestents giving up after one person appeared to win. And for those that didn't give up, I find something a little scary about a half dozen people huddling in rickety little moon shelters. I'd like to see as much a reward for co-operation as for competition. Lastly, about ten or fifteen years back I seem to recall that there was an English space magazine that had an on-going discussion about moonbases on the cheap. I recalled it discussed things like how much heat the human body produced, how much lunar material it'd need for protection from solar flares, etc. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of this magazine. Does this ring a bell to anyone? Craig Keithley |""I don't remember, I don't recall, Apple Computer, Inc. |I got no memory of anything at all"" keithley@apple.com |Peter Gabriel, Third Album (1980) " 1168,9,"From: cwamsley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher Wamsley) Subject: Re: New Uniforms Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.121706.8533 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Br ian Odom) writes: >As far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their >uniforms every year. Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets >in cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps. Minor changes, >but they do change them often. Last year, I think they had New York in all >caps. Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year? What about >Pittsburgh? It depends on which uniforms you are talking about. For the last couple of years I believe Toronto and Pittsburgh has used the same uniforms, or at least very similar. The home jerseys had the team nick name (Blue Jays or Pirates), but the road jerseys had the name of the city (Toronto or Pittsburgh). I believe this is the way most teams design their uniforms. -- Chris " 1169,7,"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Keywords: n Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: >You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in >place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no >leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot. all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip home. But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them. I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep vandals away. :---) steve " 1170,15,"From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: cause Lines: 38 trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: >norris@athena.mit.edu writes: > [some stuff deleted] >> Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of >> questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For >> example: why does the universe exist at all? > >Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also > assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" > to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't > we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to > ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" [remainder of message deleted] Pardon me for replying to only a portion of your message :) The reason we can say ""God just exists"" and can't say ""The universe just exists"" is because the universe is a natural realm and is subject to natural laws in general and the law of cause and effect in particular. That is, we observe in nature that every cause has an effect, and every effect was produced by a cause. The existence of the natural realm, as an effect itself, cannot be its own cause; it must therefore have a supernatural cause. God, on the other hand, is a supernatural being, and is therefore not subject to such natural laws as the law of cause and effect. As a supernatural being, God's eternal existence does not imply a previous cause the way the existence of a physical, natural cosmos does. Thus, those who believe in the supernatural have a valid basis for accepting the existence of uncaused phenomena such as the eternal God, whereas those who deny the existence of the supernatural are faced with the dilemma of a physical universe whose very nature shows that it is not sufficient to explain its own existence. This is, of course, an oversimplification of a complex topic, but I just wanted to clarify some important differences between the supernatural (God) and the natural (the universe), since you seem to mistake them as being interchangeable. - Mark " 1171,6,"From: klj@titan.ucs.umass.edu (KATHERINE L JEFFERS) Subject: MAC SE FORSALE Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu This is a repost of an earlier. Thanks to several of you for offering advise on realistic prices. MAC SE/ 2.5 megs ram, 20 meg hard disk, 800 K Floppy. In absolutely perfect condition. Includes Word 5, pagemaker, quark xpress, quicken and the latest versions of about a dozen other programs. Price: 475.00 " 1172,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 27 In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. What group is this? This is not a MAC group. >Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: Why the spec list again? We are talking SCSI on a PC, not on a MAC or a UNIX box. And we are talking ISA bus, or possibly EISA or VLB. This isin't comp.periphs.SCSI. Tell me what the performance figures are with a single SCSI drive on a PC with an ISA (or EISA or VLB) bus. Theoretical performance figures are not relevant to this group or this debate. I'm sure that there are some platforms out there that can handle the 40 megs/sec of SCSI xyz wide'n'fast, but the PC isin't one of them. >If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking >about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2} >IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Well maybe if the SCSI design people had their act together than maybe all PC's would have built in SCSI ports by now. " 1173,9,"From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) Subject: Re: Kevin Rogers Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu Rogers is the ""one-batter lefty"" in the bullpen. Dusty has also said he trusts Rogers to get the final out in a ballgame where Beck is unavailable, so you might see a couple of saves for Kevin. Then again, if any of the regular rotation falters, Rogers is a possible candidate to start, though this would appear less likely now that Dave Burba did well in an emergency start. Steven " 1174,1,"From: Lars.Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se (Lars Jorgensen) Subject: Externel processes for 3D Studio Reply-To: Lars.Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se (Lars Jorgensen) Distribution: world Organization: Nr. 5 p} NatR}b OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway Lines: 13 To:All Hi, Does anybody have the source code to the externel processes that comes with 3D Studio, and mabe som kind of DOC for writing the processes your self. /Lars +++ Author: Lars_Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se, Syntax BBS, Denmark --- GoldED 2.41 " 1175,15,"From: ide!twelker@uunet.uu.net (Steve Twelker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Interactive Development Environmenmts, SF Lines: 63 > Why do we follow God so blindly? Have you ever asked a >physically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog? >The answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person >cannot. ... > Of course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses, >how do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or >a lie. That is why we need faith to be saved. We must force >ourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us >enough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think >we know. Why would He have created us if He did not love us >enough to help us through this world? Seems to me if you learned to differentiate between illusion and reality on your own you wouldn't need to rely on doctrines that need to be updated. My experience of Christianity (25+ years) is that most Christians seek answers from clergymen who have little or no direct experience of spiritual matters, and that most of these questions can be answered by simple introspection. Most people suspect that they cannot trust their senses, but few take the next step to figure out that they can trust themselves. Not to get too esoteric, but it seems that most religions, Christianity included, are founded by particularly intuitive people who understand this. (stuff deleted) > As for you, no one can ""convert"" you. You must >choose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to >follow Him. All we as Christians wish to do is share with >you the love we have received from God. If you reject that, >we have to accept your decision, although we always keep >the offer open to you. If you really want to find out >why we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try >praying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians >about their experiences personally.... And what if the original poster, Pixie, is never ""converted?"" Does it make sense that she (or I, or the majority of humanity for that matter) would go to hell for eternity, as many Christians believe? It makes more sense to me that rather than be converted to a centuries-old doctrine that holds no life for her, that she simply continue to decide for herself what is best. -------------------------------------------- [You may be right about Christians relying on clergy, but I have some reason to hope you're not. Protestants emphasize conversion, experience of the Holy Spirit, and use of the Bible. This is intended to make sure that Christians have religious experience of their own, and that they have some basis on which to judge claims of clergy and other Christians. I can't speak for Catholics and Orthodox, but I believe they also attempt to avoid having members who simply repeat what they are told. I admit that this isn't always successful -- we certainly see young people join our church because at that age parents expect it. But most of our members do seem quite able and willing to make judgements for themselves, and have a commitment that comes out of their own experience. Unfortunately, it's the nature of Usenet that doctrinal disagreements get emphasized, so it looks like we spend most of our time dealing with doctrine. That's certainly not my experience of the way Christians really live. --clh] " 1176,5,"From: ware@cis.ohio-state.edu (Peter Ware) Subject: comp.windows.x.intrinsics Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Supersedes: Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 1609 Expires: 14 May 1993 17:41:53 GMT Reply-To: ware@cis.ohio-state.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oboe.cis.ohio-state.edu Summary: Answers about the X11 Window System widgets and Xt Intrinsics library Archive-name: Xt-FAQ Version: $Id: FAQ-Xt,v 1.28 93/04/02 12:41:12 ware Exp $ The X Toolkit Intrinsics F.A.Q A monthly posting This article contains the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) from comp.windows.x about the X Toolkit Intrinsics. To submit questions (preferably with an answer) send email to: ware@cis.ohio-state.edu Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site rtfm.mit.edu in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as Xt-FAQ. All code fragments are public domain. Contents 0. Xt Glossary 1. Software Versions 2. Related FAQ's 3. Why does my application core dump when I use signals/alarms/cthreads? 4. How do I use a different visual than the default? 5. Which visual should an application use? 6. Why do only Shell widgets have a Visual? 7. Which visual, depth and colormap do Shells inherit? 8. I've done all the above and I still get a BadMatch error. Why? 9. Why doesn't my widget get destroyed when I call XtDestroyWidget()? 10. How do I exit but still execute the DestroyCallbacks? 11. How do I resize a Shell widget? 12. Why can't XtAppAddInput() handle files? 13. What good books and magazines are there on Xt? 14. What Widgets are available? 15. What alternatives to the Intrinsics are there? 16. How do I pass a float value to XtSetValues? 17. How do I write a resource converter? 18. How do I open multiple displays? 19. What changed from R3 to R4 to R5? 20. Where are the resources loaded from? 21. What order are callbacks executed in? 22. How do I know if a widget is visible? 23. How do I reparent a widget in Xt, i.e. XtReparentWidget()? 24. Why use XtMalloc, XtFree, etc? 25. How to debug an Xt application? 26. Why don't XtAddInput(), XtAddTimeout() and XtAddWorkProc() work? 27. What is and how can I implement drag and drop? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 0. Xt Glossary ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The Xt Intrinsics implement an object oriented interface to C code to allow useful graphical components to be created. Included with this are classes that provide the base functionality: Object, RectObj, Core, Composite, Constraint, Shell, OverrideShell, WMShell, etc. The terms ""Xt"" and ""Intrinsics"" are used interchangeably, however, they are used very precisely to mean a specific library of the X window system. In particular, it does not include the Athena, Motif, OLIT or any other widget set. Without further widgets the Intrinsics are not especially useful. o A widget refers to a user interface abstraction created via Xt. The precise use, is any object that is a subclass of the Core class. It is used loosely to refer to anything that is a subclass of the Object class although these are more accurately called windowless widgets or gadgets. o Xlib is the C interface to the X11 protocol. It is one layer below the Xt Intrinsics. Typically a widget uses relatively few Xlib functions because Xt provides most such services although an understanding of Xlib helps with problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Software Versions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The following are the latest versions of Xt based software: _____________________________________________________________ Software Version Released Next Expected _____________________________________________________________ X11R4 patch 18 (none) X11R5 patch 21 12/18/92 ?? Athena Widgets (see X11R5) Motif 1.2.1 9/92 ?? OLIT ?? ?? ?? Xtra 2.5 6/15/92 ?? Xw X11R4 (none) Xcu X11R5 (none) fwf 3.4 1/11/92 4/93 _____________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Related FAQ's ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis (uunet!craft!faq) maintains the FAQ on X. It is posted monthly on comp.windows.x and located on export in contrib/FAQ. Liam R. E. Quin (lee@sq.sq.com) posts an FAQ list on Open Look to comp.windows.x. Jan Newmarch (jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au) posts an FAQ list on Motif to comp.windows.x.motif. Peter Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) posts an FAQ list for comp.windows.x.intrinsics; it is on export in contrib/FAQ-Xt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Why does my application core dump when I use signals/alarms/cthreads? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In brief, Xlib, Xt and most widget sets have no mutual exclusion for critical sections. Any interrupt handler is likely to leave one of the above libraries in an inconsistent state -- such as all the appropriate flags not yet set, dangling pointers, in the middle of a list traversal, etc. Note that the ANSI C standard points out that behavior of a signal handler is undefined if the signal handler calls any function other than signal() itself, so this is not a problem specific to Xlib and Xt; the POSIX specification mentions other functions which may be called safely but it may not be assumed that these functions are called by Xlib or Xt functions. The only safe way to deal with signals is to set a flag in the interrupt handler. This flag later needs to be checked either by a work procedure or a timeout callback. It is incorrect to add either of these in the interrupt handler. As another note, it is dangerous to add a work procedure that never finishes. This effectively preempts any work procedures previously added and so they will never be called. Another option is to open a pipe, tell the event loop about the read end using XtAppAddInput() and then the signal handler can write a byte to the write end of the pipe for each signal. However, this could deadlock your process if the pipe fills up. Why don't the Intrinsics deal with this problem? Primarily because it is supposed to be a portable layer to any hardware and operating system. Is that a good enough reason -- I don't think so. Note: the article in The X Journal 1:4 and the example in O'Reilly Volume 6 are in error. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. How do I use a different visual than the default? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This requires a more complicated answer than it should. A window has three things that are visual specific -- the visual, colormap and border pixmap. All widgets have their own Colormap and BorderPixmap resource; only shell widgets have Visual resources (another questions deals with why shells have a Visual). The default value of these resources is CopyFromParent which does exactly what it says. In the shell widget CopyFromParent gets evalulated as DefaultVisualOfScreen and DefaultColormapOfScreen. When any one of the three resources is not properly set, a BadMatch error occurs when the window is created. They are not properly set because each of the values depends on the visual being used. How to get this to work? There are two parts to the answer. The first is if you want an application to start with a particular visual and the second is if you want a particular shell within an application to start with a different visual. The second is actually easier because the basic information you need is available. The first is a little harder because you'll need to initialize much of the toolkit yourself in order to determine the needed information. /* * Some sample code to start up an application using something other * than the default visual. * * To compile: * cc -g visual.c -o visual -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lm * * To run: * ./visual -geometry 300x300 -depth 24 -visual StaticColor -fg blue -bg yellow * * you need to move the mouse to get the particular visuals colormap * to install. */ #include #include #include typedef struct { Visual *visual; int depth; } OptionsRec; OptionsRec Options; XtResource resources[] = { {""visual"", ""Visual"", XtRVisual, sizeof (Visual *), XtOffsetOf (OptionsRec, visual), XtRImmediate, NULL}, {""depth"", ""Depth"", XtRInt, sizeof (int), XtOffsetOf (OptionsRec, depth), XtRImmediate, NULL}, }; XrmOptionDescRec Desc[] = { {""-visual"", ""*visual"", XrmoptionSepArg, NULL}, {""-depth"", ""*depth"", XrmoptionSepArg, NULL} }; int main (argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { XtAppContext app; /* the application context */ Widget top; /* toplevel widget */ Display *dpy; /* display */ char **xargv; /* saved argument vector */ int xargc; /* saved argument count */ Colormap colormap; /* created colormap */ XVisualInfo vinfo; /* template for find visual */ XVisualInfo *vinfo_list; /* returned list of visuals */ int count; /* number of matchs (only 1?) */ Arg args[10]; Cardinal cnt; char *name = ""test""; char *class = ""Test""; /* * save the command line arguments */ xargc = argc; xargv = (char **) XtMalloc (argc * sizeof (char *)); bcopy ((char *) argv, (char *) xargv, argc * sizeof (char *)); /* * The following creates a _dummy_ toplevel widget so we can * retrieve the appropriate visual resource. */ cnt = 0; top = XtAppInitialize (&app, class, Desc, XtNumber (Desc), &argc, argv, (String *) NULL, args, cnt); dpy = XtDisplay (top); cnt = 0; XtGetApplicationResources (top, &Options, resources, XtNumber (resources), args, cnt); cnt = 0; if (Options.visual && Options.visual != DefaultVisualOfScreen (XtScreen (top))) { XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNvisual, Options.visual); ++cnt; /* * Now we create an appropriate colormap. We could * use a default colormap based on the class of the * visual; we could examine some property on the * rootwindow to find the right colormap; we could * do all sorts of things... */ colormap = XCreateColormap (dpy, RootWindowOfScreen (XtScreen (top)), Options.visual, AllocNone); XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNcolormap, colormap); ++cnt; /* * Now find some information about the visual. */ vinfo.visualid = XVisualIDFromVisual (Options.visual); vinfo_list = XGetVisualInfo (dpy, VisualIDMask, &vinfo, &count); if (vinfo_list && count > 0) { XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNdepth, vinfo_list[0].depth); ++cnt; XFree ((XPointer) vinfo_list); } } XtDestroyWidget (top); /* * Now create the real toplevel widget. */ XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNargv, xargv); ++cnt; XtSetArg (args[cnt], XtNargc, xargc); ++cnt; top = XtAppCreateShell ((char *) NULL, class, applicationShellWidgetClass, dpy, args, cnt); /* * Display the application and loop handling all events. */ XtRealizeWidget (top); XtAppMainLoop (app); return (0); } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Which visual should an application use? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a point that can be argued about but one opinion is there is no way for an application to know the appropriate visual -- it has to be specified by the user. If you disagree with this then your application probably falls into the category of always using the default visual or it is hardware specific and expects some particular visual such as 24bit TrueColor with an OverlayPlane extension (or some such). Why? No application runs in isolation. Depending on the way a server allocates resources I may not always want your application to run in TrueColor mode if it is going to mess up my other applications. I may be very upset if it chooses to run in GreyScale instead of PsuedoColor or just monochrome. As an example, on a low end color Sun server there are many different possible visuals: monochrome, 256 entry colormap, static gray, static color, and a 3/3/2 TrueColor. The SGI Iris's offer all the above plus 12 bit TrueColor, 24 bit TrueColor, an Overlay Plane. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Why do only Shell widgets have a Visual? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is strictly by convention. It makes it possible for an arbitrary widget to know that the visual it uses can be found by looking for the shell widget that is its ancestor and obtaining the visual of that shell. A widget can have its own visual resource. If it does, it must have its own realize method to use the visual when it calls XCreateWindow(). You should also make this a resource that can be obtained with XtGetValues() so other widgets can find it. A reasonable value is probably XtNvisual. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Which visual, depth and colormap do Shells inherit? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The default value for these resources are set to CopyFromParent. This is interpreted as the DefaultColormapOfScreen(), DefaultDepthOfScreen() and the default visual of the screen if the widget has no parent -- i.e. it is an applicationShellWidgetClass and the root of your widget tree. If the parent of the widget is not null, then the shell copies colormap and depth from its parent and uses CopyFromParent as the visual. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. I've done all the above and I still get a BadMatch error. Why? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Some resource converters improperly cache references. This was especially true of X11R3 and earlier versions of Motif. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Why doesn't my widget get destroyed when I call XtDestroyWidget()? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- See section 2.8 of the Xt specification. It eventually does get destroyed, just not immediately. The Intrinsics destroy a widget in a two-phase process. First it and all of its children have a flag set that indicate it is being destroyed. It is then put on a list of widgets to be destroyed. This way any pending X events or further references to that widget can be cleaned up before the memory is actually freed. The second phase is then performed after all callbacks, event handlers, and actions have completed, before checking for the next X event. At this point the list is traversed and each widget's memory is actually free()'d, among other things. As some further caveats/trivia, the widgets may be destroyed if the Intrinsics determine that they have no further references to the widgets on the list. If so, then the phase 2 destruction occurs immediately. Also, if nested event loops are used, widgets placed on the destroy list before entering the inner event loop are not destroyed until returning to the outer event loop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 10. How do I exit but still execute the DestroyCallbacks? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem is if a simple and entirely reasonable approach to exiting an application is used, such as calling exit() directly, then a widget may not have a chance to clean up any external state -- such as open sockets, temporary files, allocated X resources, etc. (this code for simplicity reasons assumes only a single toplevel widget): Widget ToplevelGet (gw) Widget gw; /* widget to find toplevel */ { Widget top; for (top = gw; XtParent (top); top = XtParent (top)) /* empty */; return (top); } void ExitCallback (gw, closure, call_data) Widget gw; /* widget */ XtPointer closure; /* data the app specified */ XtPointer call_data; /* widget specific data */ { Widget toplevel; toplevel = ToplevelGet (gw); XtUnmapWidget (toplevel); /* make it disappear quickly */ XtDestroyWidget (toplevel); exit (0); } One can see that the above code exit's immediately after destroying the toplevel widget. The trouble is the phase 2 destruction may never occur. This works for most widgets and most applications but will not work for those widgets that have any external state. You might think that since it works now it will always work but remember that part of the reason an object oriented approach is used is so one can be ignorant of the implementation details for each widget. Which means that the widget may change and someday require that some external state is cleaned up by the Destroy callbacks. One alternative is to modify ExitCallback() to set a global flag and then test for that flag in a private event loop. However, private event loops are frowned upon because it tends to encourage sloppy, and difficult to maintain practices. Try the following code instead. #include extern Widget ToplevelGet ( #if NeedFunctionPrototypes Widget gw #endif ); extern Boolean ExitWorkProc ( #if NeedFunctionPrototypes XtPointer closure #endif ); extern void ExitCallback ( #if NeedFunctionPrototypes Widget gw, XtPointer closure, XtPointer call_data #endif ); Widget ToplevelGet (gw) Widget gw; /* widget to find toplevel */ { Widget top; for (top = gw; XtParent (top); top = XtParent (top)) /* empty */; return (top); } void ExitCallback (gw, closure, call_data) Widget gw; /* widget */ XtPointer closure; /* data the app specified */ XtPointer call_data; /* widget specific data */ { Widget toplevel; toplevel = ToplevelGet (gw); XtUnmapWidget (toplevel); /* make it disappear quickly */ XtDestroyWidget (toplevel); XtAppAddWorkProc (XtWidgetToApplicationContext (gw), ExitWorkProc, (XtPointer) NULL); } Boolean ExitWorkProc (closure) XtPointer closure; { exit (0); /*NOTREACHED*/ } ExitCallback() adds a work procedure that will get called when the application is next idle -- which happens after all the events are processed and the destroy callbacks are executed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 11. How do I resize a Shell widget? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- After it is realized, one doesn't resize a Shell widget. The proper thing is to resize the currently managed child of the Shell widget using XtSetValues(). The geometry change is then propagated to the Shell which asks the window manager which may or may not allow the request. However, the Shell must have the resource XtNallowShellResize set to True otherwise it will not even ask the window manager to grant the request and the Shell will not resize. To change the position of a Shell, use XtSetValues() on the Shell, not the child, and within the limits of the window manager it should be granted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. Why can't XtAppAddInput() handle files? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It does, however Unix semantics for when I/O is ready for a file does not fit most peoples' intuitive model. In Unix terms a file descriptor is ready for reading whenever the read() call would not block, ignoring the setting of optional flags that indicate not to block. This works as expected for terminals, sockets and pipes. For a file the read() will always return but the return indicates an EOF -- i.e. no more data. The result is the code in the Intrinsics always calls the input handler because it always thinks something is about to be read. The culprit is the select() system call or on SYSV based OS's it is the poll() system call. How to get around this on a Unix system? The best approach is to use another process to check for available input on the file. Use a pipe to connect the application with this other process and pass the file descriptor from the pipe to XtAppAddInput(). A suitable program on BSD systems is ""tail -f filename"". It's rumored that select() on some systems is not _completely_ reliable. In particular: - IBM AIX 3.1: this is one where it would work for a while (several thousand times) and then stop until some other event woke it up. This seemed to be the result of a race condition in the Kernel. IBM claims to have a fix for this. - Pyramid, doesn't work at all. - Ultrix (and possibly others where pipes are implemented as sockets), wasn't completely broken, but although the writing side wrote in 512 byte blocks the reading side received it all broken up as if it was being put into the pipe a byte at a time. You can waste a lot of time by reading small blocks (get raound it by detecting the situation and having select() ignore the pipe for 10 mseconds - by then it had been given the whole block). Note that all the above descriptions used Unix terminology such as read(), file descriptor, pipes, etc. This is an OS dependent area and may not be identical on all systems. However the Intrinsic designers felt it was a common enough operation that it should be included with part of the toolkit. Why they didn't also deal with signals at this point I don't know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. What good books and magazines are there on Xt? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a favorite that is the definitive reference. To my perspective it offers a reasonable introduction but also goes into the full details of the Intrinsics. When I started using it I was already familiar with Xt and the concepts behind it, so newcomers may or may not find it useful. I've always found it accurate and complete, which means its a 1000 pages. Asente, Paul J., and Swick, Ralph R., ""X Window System Toolkit, The Complete Programmer's Guide and Specification"", Digital Press, 1990, ISBN 1-55558-051-3, order number EY-E757E-DP; and by Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-972191-6. Also available through DEC Direct at 1-800-DIGITAL. The other book I commonly recomend to novices is: Young, Doug. ""The X Window System: Applications and Programming with Xt (Motif Version),"" Prentice Hall, 1989 (ISBN 0-13-497074-8). (ISBN 0-13-972167-3) And of course O'Reilly has an entire series of manuals on X and Xt. O'Reilly ordering is 800-998-9938. In particular, Volume 5 is an Xt reference done in manual page style. The 3rd edition is extensively overhauled and goes far beyond the MIT manual pages. I'm finding it very useful. In particular, the permutted index and references to other manual pages help a great deal in chasing down related information. I read two periodicals, ""The X Resource"" and the ""The X Journal"". These are the only two dealing specifically with X. ""The X Resource"" is published quarterly, by O'Reilly, with one of the issues being the MIT X Consortium Technical Conference Proceedings. There is no advertising. I've found it informative with pretty good depth. For orders, call 1-800-998-9938, or email cathyr@ora.com. For editorial matters, email adrian@ora.com. Table of contents are posted at math.utah.edu in ~ftp/pub/tex/bib in TeX form and on ftp.uu.net in ~ftp/published/oreilly/xresource in ASCII form. ""The X Journal"" is a bimonthly trade rag with lots of advertising. The articles are informative and oriented toward a less technical audience. I read it more to see what's going on then with an expectation of learning a great deal (but remember, I represent a fairly small percentage of people). Also, they have a pretty good collection of people on the advisory board and as columnists. Call (908) 563-9033. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 14. What Widgets are available? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are three popular widget sets: Athena - The set provided with X11. This is sufficient for most purposes but is on the ugly side. Recently, a 3d look is available for ftp on export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/Xaw3d.tar.Z. Motif - From OSF available for a license fee and commonly shipped on many workstation vendors platforms (almost everyone but Sun). It looks good and works well but personally I think it is poorly implemented. OLIT - The Open Look Intrinsics Toolkit is a set of widgets implementing Sun's Open Look specification. Developed by AT&T. I've never used it so can't comment on its quality. I've heard rumours that it is a pain to actually get. In addition the following collection of widgets are also available: Xtra - a library of widgets for sale from Graphical Software Technology (310-328-9338). It includes bar graph, stacked bar graph, line graph, pie chart, xy plot, hypertext, help, spreadsheet, and data entry form widgets. I've never seen them so I can't comment. FWF - The Free Widget Foundation is attempting to collect a set of freely available widgets. Included are a Pixmap editor, FileDialog, and a few others. The current set of widgets can be obtained via anonymous ftp from the machine a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) in the file pub/fwf.shar.Z. Xcu - The Cornell University widgets from Gene Dykes. One of the early widget sets released. Provides a nice appearance for buttons and has a mini command language. Probably not so widely used. Xs - The Sony widget set. This was around during R3 days but seemed to disappear. It looked like it had promise. Xw - The HP widgets. The precursor to Motif. Originally written for R3 there exists diffs to get it to work under R4 & R5. Again, a pretty good widget set but has more or less died. The precursor to this was the Xray toolkit which was originally implemented for X10R4 and apparently provided much experience for the designers of Xt. Xo - A widget set I'm working on. It's still primitive but you can give it a try in archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/Xo/* The following specialized widgets are also available: Tbl - Implements a tabular layout of widgets. Supports Motif widgets as children. Part of Wcl. Plots - The Athena Plotting widgets (not the Athena widgets). Contact gnb@bby.oz.au or joe@Athena.MIT.EDU. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 15. What alternatives to the Intrinsics are there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________ Name Language Vendor __________________________________________ Xview C Sun OI C++ ParcPlace Interviews C++ Stanford Tcl/tk C sprite.berkeley.edu __________________________________________ However much I like C and admire the skill in both designing and implementing the Intrinsics, hopefully some alternative will develop in the next 3-5 years that uses an object oriented language. Keep your eyes open and expect some change about the same time a language other than C _starts_ gaining acceptance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 16. How do I pass a float value to XtSetValues? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- First, what is going wrong is the structure for an Arg is (essentially) typdef struct { String name; long value; } Arg; and the code: Arg arg; XtSetArg (arg, ""name"", 3.2) expands to Arg arg; arg.name = ""name""; arg.value = 3.2; you can see that with normal C type conversions, the arg.value gets the integer ""3"" instead of the floating point value ""3.2"". When the value is copied into the widget resource, the bit pattern is wildly different than that required for a floating point value. So, how to get around this? The following macro is from the Athena widgets document and I am now recomending it over the previous suggestions. #define XtSetFloatArg(arg, n, d) \ if (sizeof(float) > sizeof(XtArgVal)) { \ XtSetArg(arg, n, &(d)); \ } else { \ XtArgVal *ld = (XtArgVal *)&(d); \ XtSetArg(arg, n, *ld); \ } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 17. How do I write a resource converter? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Courtesy of Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com): The following discussion of resource converters assumes R4 (or R5) Intrinsics. Resource converters changed between R3 and R4 to allow for destructors and caching of converted values. There are several main types of resource converters: string to data type data type to string data type to data type i) string to data type Usually a string to data type converter has a fixed set of strings that will be converted to data type values. This is most often used to map enumerated names to enumerated values: Name Value ""True"" 1 ""False"" 0 In this case, the string to data type converter needs to compare the resource value to the list of fixed strings. This is most readily accomplished by the use of the ""quark"" mechanism of the resource manager. The resource value is turned into a quark, which is a unique representation of the string that fits into a single word. Then the resource quark is compared against the quarks for the fixed strings representing the enumerated values. If there are many enumerated strings in the converter (or many converters, each with a small number of enumeration strings), then a global initialization routine might be used to turn all the resource strings into quarks. That way, the first time one of these converters is used, the strings will be turned into quarks and held in static variables for use in the next invocation of one of the converters. ii) data type to string This type of converter is slightly easier than the string to data type converters since the use of quarks isn't necessary. Instead, the data type value is simply converted to a string value, probably by the use of sprintf. Data type to string converters are useful for applications that wish to convert an internal data type value into a string so that they can write out a valid resource specification to a file. This mechanism can be used to provide a ""snapshot"" of application state into a file. This snapshot can be used to restore the program to a known state via the usual X resource database mechanisms. If you are taking the trouble to write a string to data type converter, it isn't much extra effort to write the data type to string converter. Writing both at the same time helps to ensure that they are consistent. iii) data type to data type This type of converter is used to convert an existing data type value to another data type. For instance, an X pixel value can be converted to an RGB data type that contains separate fields for red, green and blue. The type signature for a resource converter is as follows: typedef Boolean (*XtTypeConverter)(Display *, XrmValuePtr, Cardinal *, XrmValuePtr, XrmValuePtr, XtPointer *); Display *dpy; XrmValuePtr args; Cardinal *num_args; XrmValuePtr fromVal; XrmValuePtr toVal; XtPointer *converter_data; When the converter is invoked, the ""fromVal"" argument points to the source X resource manager value and the ""toVal"" argument points to the destination X resource manager value. The ""converter_data"" argument is an opaque pointer to some converter-specific data that is specified when the converter is registered. The ""args"" and ""num_args"" arguments allow extra information to be passed to the converter when it is invoked. For instance, the Pixel to RGB structure converter discussed above would need colormap and visual arguments in which to lookup the Pixel to obtain the RGB values corresponding to that pixel. Care must be taken with the ""toVal"" argument. An XrmValue has the following type definition and specifies a size and location for a converted value: typedef struct { unsigned int size; caddr_t addr; } XrmValue, *XrmValuePtr; When the converter is invoked, the address may point to a location of the given size for the converted value or the location can be NULL. In the former case, the converter should ensure that the size of the destination area is large enough to handle the converted value. If the destination area is not large enough, then the converter should set the size to the amount of space needed and return False. The caller can then ensure that enough space is allocated and reinvoke the converter. If the size is large enough, then the converter can simply copy the converted value into the space given and return True. If the location is NULL, then the converter can assign the location to the address of a static variable containing the converted value and return True. When writing a group of converters, this code is often repeated and it becomes convenient to define a macro: #define DONE(var, type) \ if (toVal->addr) \ { \ if (toVal->size < sizeof(type)) \ { \ toVal->size = sizeof(type); \ return False; \ } \ else \ *((type *) toVal->addr) = var; \ } \ else \ toVal->addr = (caddr_t) &var; \ toVal->size = sizeof(type); \ return True; #define DONESTR(str) \ if (toVal->addr && toVal->size < sizeof(String)) \ { \ toVal->size = sizeof(String); \ return False; \ } \ else \ toVal->addr = (caddr_t) str; \ toVal->size = sizeof(String); \ return True; Inside the converter, it is a good idea to perform a little safety checking on the ""num_args"" and ""args"" arguments to ensure that your converter is being called properly. Once you have written your converter, you need to register it with the Intrinsics. The Intrinsics invokes resource converters when creating widgets and fetching their resource values from the resource database. To register a converter with a single application context, use XtAppSetTypeConverter: void XtAppSetTypeConverter(context, from, to, converter, args, num_args, cache, destructor) XtAppContext context; String from; String to; XtTypeConverter converter; XtConvertArgList args; Cardinal num_args; XtCacheType cache; XtDestructor destructor; To register a converter with all application contexts, use XtSetTypeConverter: void XtSetTypeConverter(from, to, converter, args, num_args, cache, destructor) String from; String to; XtTypeConverter converter; XtConvertArgList args; Cardinal num_args; XtCacheType cache; XtDestructor destructor; In the R3 Intrinsics, there were the routines XtAppAddConverter and XtAddConverter; these have been superseded by XtAppSetTypeConverter and XtSetTypeConverter. Whenever possible, the newer routines should be used. When a converter is registered with the Intrinsics, a ""cache"" argument specifies how converted resource values are to be cached: XtCacheNone Don't cache any converted values XtCacheAll Cache all converted values XtCacheByDisplay Cache converted values on a per display basis Caching converted values that require a round-trip to the server is a good idea (for instance string to Pixel conversions). The ""destructor"" argument is a routine that is invoked then the resource is destroyed, either because its cached reference count has been decremented to zero or because the widget owning the value is being destroyed. XtDestructor has the following type definition: typedef void (*XtDestructor)(XtAppContext, XrmValuePtr, XtPointer, XrmValuePtr, Cardinal *); XtAppContext context; XrmValuePtr to; XtPointer converter_data; XrmValuePtr args; Cardinal *num_args; The destructor is invoked to free any auxiliary storage associated with the ""to"" argument, but does not actually free the storage pointed to by the ""to"" argument itself (to->addr). The destructor is passed the extra arguments that were passed to the converter when the conversion was performed (for instance, colormap and visual arguments for the string to Pixel converter since the destructor would need to free the allocated Pixel from the colormap) as well as the private data passed in when the converter was registered. Sample converter code can be found in the following files in the MIT R5 distribution: mit/lib/Xt/Converters.c contrib/lib/PEXt/Converters.c contrib/lib/PEXt/Converters.h ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 18. How do I open multiple displays? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- See ""Multi-user Application Software Using Xt"", The X Resource, Issue 3, (Summer 1992) by Oliver Jones for a complete coverage of the issues involved. Most of this answer is based on that article. In a nutshell, one uses XtOpenDisplay() to add each display to a _single_ application context and then XtCloseDisplay() to shutdown each display and remove it from the application context. The real problems occur when trying to close down a display. This can happen 3 ways: 1. User selects a ""quit"" button on one of the displays, 2. User has window manager send a WM_DELETE_WINDOW message, 3. Server disconnect -- possibly from a KillClient message, server shutdown/crash, or network failure. I'll assume you can deal gracefully with 1 & 2 since it is _merely_ a problem of translating a Widget to a display and removing that display. If not, then read the Oliver Jones article. The third one is difficult to handle. The following is based on the Oliver Jones article and I include it here because it is a difficult problem. The difficulty arises because the Xlib design presumed that an I/O error is always unrecoverable and so fatal. This is essentially true for a single display X based application, but not true for a multiple display program or an application that does things other than display information on an X server. When an X I/O error occurs the I/O error handler is called and _if_ it returns then an exit() happens. The only way around this is to use setjmp/longjmp to avoid returning to the I/O error handler. The following code fragment demonstrates this: #include jmp_buf XIOrecover; void XIOHandler (dpy) Display *dpy; { destroyDisplay (dpy); longjmp (XIOrecover, 1); } main () { ... if (setjmp (XIOrecover) == 0) XSetIOErrorHandler (XIOHandler); XtAppMainLoop (app_context); } The destroyDisplay() is something that given a Display pointer can go back to the application specific data and perform any necessary cleanup. It should also call XtCloseDisplay(). For those of you unfamiliar with setjmp/longjmp, when setjmp() is first called it returns a 0 and save's enough information in the jmp_buf that a latter execution of longjmp() can return the program to the same state as if the setjmp() was just executed. The return value of this second setjmp() is the value of the second argument to longjmp(). There are several caveats about using these but for this purpose it is adequate. Some other problems you might run into are resource converters that improperly cache resources. The most likely symptoms are Xlib errors such as BadColor, BadAtom, or BadFont. There may be problems with the total number of displays you can open since typically only a limited number of file descriptors are available with 32 being a typical value. You may also run into authorization problems when trying to connect to a display. There was much discussion in comp.windows.x about this topic in November of 91. Robert Scheifler posted an article which basically said this is the way it will be and Xlib will not change. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 19. What changed from R3 to R4 to R5? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This addresses only changes in the Intrinsics. First, the general changes for each release are described. Then a, certainly incomplete, list of new functions added and others that are now deprecated are listed. Brevity is a primary goal. Much of the following information is retrieved from Chapter 13 of the MIT Xt Intrinsics Manual and from O'Reilly Volume 5, 3rd edition. From R3 to R4 - Addition of gadgets (windowless widgets) - New resource type converter interface to handle cacheing and additional data. - Variable argument list interface. - #define XtSpecificationRelease 4 (added with this release) - WMShellPart, TopLevelShellPart & TransientShellPart changed incompatibly. - core.initialize, core.set_values added ArgList and count parameters - event handlers had continue_to_dispatch parameter added - core.set_values_almost specification changed. - core.compress_exposure changed to an enumerated data type from Boolean - core.class_inited changed to enumerated data type from Boolean - constraint.get_values_hook added to extension record - core.initialize_hook obsolete as info is passed to core.initialize - shell.root_geometry_manager added to extension record - core.set_values_hook obsolete as info is passed to core.set_values - Calling XtQueryGeometry() must store complete geometry. - Added UnrealizeCallback. - XtTranslateCoords() actually works under R4. From R4 to R5: - Psuedo resource baseTranslation added. - Searching for app-default, and other files, made more flexible - customization resource added. - Per-screen resource database. - Support permanently allocated strings. - Permanetly allocated strings required for several class fields. - The args argument to XtAppInitialize, XtVaAppInitialize, XtOpenDisplay, XtDisplayInitialize, and XtInitialize were changed from Cardinal* to int* - Many performance improvements (this is summarized from the article ""Xt Performance Improvements in Release 5"" by Gabe Beged-Dov in ""The X Resource"", Issue 3): - XrmStringToQuark() augmented with XrmPermStringToQuark() to avoid string copies. Several fields in the class record are indicated as needing permanent strings. - Using an array of Strings for resources - Callback lists redesigned to use less memory - Translation manager redesigned and rewritten so it takes less memory, translation tables merges are faster, cache of action bindings - Keycode to Keysyms are cached. - Better sharing of GC's with modifiable fields - Window to Widget translation uses less space and faster - Does not malloc space for widget name since quark is available - Widget space is allocated to include the constraints - Over several example programs, about a 26% reduction in memory usage. Functions new with R5: ---------------------- XtAllocateGC() - sharable GC with modifiable fields XtGetActionList() - get the action table of a class XtScreenDatabase() - return resource database for a screen XtSetLanguageProc() - register language procedure called to set locale Functions new with R4: ---------------------- XtAppAddActionHook() - procedure to call before _every_ action. XtAppInitialize() - lots of initialization work. XtAppReleaseCacheRefs() - decrement cache reference count for converter XtAppSetFallbackResources() - specify default resources XtAppSetTypeConverter() - register a new style converter XtCallCallbackList() - directly execute a callback list XtCallConverter () - invoke a new style converter XtCallbackReleaseCacheRef() - release a cached resource value XtCallbackReleaseCacheRefList() - release a list of cached resource values XtConvertAndStore() - find and call a resource converter XtDirectConvert() - Invoke old-style converter XtDisplayOfObject() - Return the display XtDisplayStringConversionWarning() - issue a warning about conversion XtFindFile() - Find a file XtGetActionKeysym() - Retrieve keysym & modifies for this action XtGetApplicationNameAndClass() - return name and class XtGetConstraintResourceList() - get constraints for a widget XtGetKeysymTable() - return keycode-to-keysym mapping table XtGetMultiClickTime() - read the multi-click time XtGetSelectionRequest() - retrieve the SelectionRequest event XtGetSelectionValueIncremental() - obtain the selection value incrementally XtGetSelectionValuesIncremental() - obtain the selection value incrementally XtInitializeWidgetClass() - initialize a widget class manually XtInsertEventHanlder() - register event handler before/after others XtInsertRawEventHandler() - register event handler without modify input mask XtIsObject() - test if subclass of Object XtIsRectObj() - test if subclass of RectObj XtKeysymToKeyCodeList() - return list of keycodes XtLastTimestampProcessed() - retrieve most recent event time XtMenuPopdown - Action for popping down a widget XtMenuPopup - Action for popping up a widget XtOffsetOf - macro for structure offsets XtOwnSelectionIncremental() - make selection data availabe incrementally XtPoupSpringLoaded() - map a spring-loaded popup XtRegisterGrabAction() - indicate action procedure needs a passive grab XtRemoveActiohHook() - remove function called after every action XtResolvePathname() - find a file XtScreenOfObject() - return screen of object. XtSetMultiClickTime() - set the multi-click time XtSetWMColormapWindows() - set WM_COLORMAP_WINDOWS for custom colormaps XtUngrabButton() - cancel a passive button grab XtUngrabKey() - cancel a passive key grab XtUngrabKeybard() - release an active keyboard grab XtUngrabPointer() - release an active pointer grab XtVa*() - varags interfaces to a bunch of functions XtWindowOfObject() - return Window of nearest widget ancestor Deprecated Replacement When ---------------------------------------------------------------------- XtAddActions() XtAppAddActions() R3 XtAddConverter() XtAppAddConverter() R3 XtAddInput() XtAppAddInput () R3 XtAddTimeout() XtAppAddTimeout() R3 XtAddWorkProc() XtAppAddWorkProc() R3 XtConvert() XtConvertAndStore() R4 XtCreateApplicationShell XtAppCreateShell() R3 XtDestroyGC() XtReleaseGC() R3 XtError() XtAppError() R3 XtGetErrorDatabase() XtAppGetErrorDatabase R3 XtGetErrorDatabaseText() XtAppGetErrorDatabaseText R3 XtGetSelectionTimeout() XtAppGetSelectionTimeout R3 XtInitialize() XtAppInitialize() R3 XtMainLoop() XtAppMainLoop() R3 MenuPopdown(action) XtMenuPopdown(action) R4 MenuPopup(action) XtMenuPopup(action) R4 XtNextEvent() XtAppNextEvent() R3 XtPeekEvent() XtAppPeekEvent() R3 XtPending() XtAppPending() R3 XtSetErrorHandler() XtAppSetErrorHandler() R3 XtSetErrorMsgHandler XtAppSetErrorMsgHandler() R3 XtSetSelectionTimeout() XtAppSetSelectionTimeout() R3 XtSetWarningHandler() XtAppSetWarningHandler() R3 XtSetWarningMsgHandler() XtAppSetWarningMsgHandler() R3 XtWarning() XtAppWarning() R3 XtWarningMsg() XtAppWarningMsg() R3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 20. Where are the resources loaded from? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The resources of a widget are filled in from the following places (from highest priority to lowest priority): 1. Args passed at creation time. 2. Command line arguments. 3. User's per host defaults file 4. User's defaults file. 5. User's per application default file. 6. System wide per application default file. Note that 2-6 are read only once on application startup. The result of steps 3-6 is a single resource database used for further queries. The per host defaults file contains customizations for all applications executing on a specific computer. This file is either specified with the XENVIRONMENT environment variable or if that is not set then the file $HOME/.Xdefaults- is used. The user defaults file is either obtained from the RESOURCE_MANAGER property on the root window of the display or if that is not set then the file $HOME/.Xdefaults is used. Typically, the program ""xrdb"" is used to set the RESOURCE_MANAGER property. Please note that this should be kept relatively small as each client that connects to the display must transfer the property. A size of around 1-3KByte is reasonable. Some toolkits may track changes to the RESOURCE_MANAGER but most do not. A user may have many per application default files containing customizations specific to each application. The intrinsics are quite flexible on how this file is found. Read the next part that describes the various environment variables and how they effect where this file is found. The system wide per application default files are typically found in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. If such a file is not found then the fallback resources are used. The intrinsics are quite flexible on how this file is found. Read the next part that describes the various environment variables and how they effect where this file is found. [Thanks to Oliver Jones (oj@pictel.com) for the following, 6/92] You can use several environment variables to control how resources are loaded for your Xt-based programs -- XFILESEARCHPATH, XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, and XAPPLRESDIR. These environment variables control where Xt looks for application-defaults files as an application is initializing. Xt loads at most one app-defaults file from the path defined in XFILESEARCHPATH and another from the path defined in XUSERFILESEARCHPATH. Set XFILESEARCHPATH if software is installed on your system in such a way that app-defaults files appear in several different directory hierarchies. Suppose, for example, that you are running Sun's Open Windows, and you also have some R4 X applications installed in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. You could set a value like this for XFILESEARCHPATH, and it would cause Xt to look up app-defaults files in both /usr/lib/X11 and /usr/openwin/lib (or wherever your OPENWINHOME is located): setenv XFILESEARCHPATH /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N:$OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N The value of this environment variable is a colon-separated list of pathnames. The pathnames contain replacement characters as follows (see XtResolvePathname()): %N The value of the filename parameter, or the application's class name. %T The value of the file ""type"". In this case, the literal string ""app-defaults"" %C customization resource (R5 only) %S Suffix. None for app-defaults. %L Language, locale, and codeset (e.g. ""ja_JP.EUC"") %l Language part of %L (e.g. ""ja"") %t The territory part of the display's language string %c The codeset part of the display's language string Let's take apart the example. Suppose the application's class name is ""Myterm"". Also, suppose Open Windows is installed in /usr/openwin. (Notice the example omits locale-specific lookup.) /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N means /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm $OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N means /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults/Myterm As the application initializes, Xt tries to open both of the above app-defaults files, in the order shown. As soon as it finds one, it reads it and uses it, and stops looking for others. The effect of this path is to search first in /usr/lib/X11, then in /usr/openwin. Let's consider another example. This time, let's set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH so it looks for the file Myterm.ad in the current working directory, then for Myterm in the directory ~/app-defaults. setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH ./%N.ad:$HOME/app-defaults/%N The first path in the list expands to ./Myterm.ad. The second expands to $HOME/app-defaults/Myterm. This is a convenient setting for debugging because it follows the Imake convention of naming the app-defaults file Myterm.ad in the application's source directory, so you can run the application from the directory in which you are working and still have the resources loaded properly. NOTE: when looking for app-default files with XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, for some bizarre reason, neither the type nor file suffix is defined so %T and %S are useless. With R5, there's another twist. You may specify a customization resource value. For example, you might run the ""myterm"" application like this: myterm -xrm ""*customization: -color"" If one of your pathname specifications had the value ""/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/%N%C"" then the expanded pathname would be ""/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm-color"" because the %C substitution character takes on the value of the customization resource. The default XFILESEARCHPATH, compiled into Xt, is: /usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) /usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) /usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N:\ /usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N:\ /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N (Note: some sites replace /usr/lib/X11 with a ProjectRoot in this batch of default settings.) The default XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, also compiled into Xt, is /%L/%N%C:\ (R5) /%l/%N%C:\ (R5) /%N%C:\ (R5) /%L/%N:\ /%l/%N:\ /%N: is either the value of XAPPLRESDIR or the user's home directory if XAPPLRESDIR is not set. If you set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to some value other than the default, Xt ignores XAPPLRESDIR altogether. Notice that the quick and dirty way of making your application find your app-defaults file in your current working directory is to set XAPPLRESDIR to ""."", a single dot. In R3, all this machinery worked differently; for R3 compatibilty, many people set their XAPPLRESDIR value to ""./"", a dot followed by a slash. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 21. What order are callbacks executed in? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (Courtesy of Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu; 5/10/92) The Intrinsics library do not guarantee an order. This is because both the widget writer and the application writer have the ability to modify the entire contents of the callback list. Neither one currently knows what the other is doing and so the Intrinsics cannot guarantee the order of execution. The application programmer cannot rely on the widget writer; the widget writer is not required to document when the widget will add and remove callbacks from the list or what effect this will have; therefore the functionality contained in a callback should be independent of the functionality contained in other callbacks on the list. Even though the Xt standard in the definition of XtAddCallback says: ""callback_name: Specifies the callback list to which the procedure is to be appended."" you may not infer from the word ""appended"" that the callback routines are called in the same order as they have been added to the callback list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 22. How do I know if a widget is visible? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (Courtesy of Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu; 5/14/92) > I am building a widget needs to know if it is visible. I set the visible > interest field in Core and if my window is completely obscured, the Core > visible flag goes FALSE. However, if my window is iconified, the flag > stays set to TRUE. Right, everything is implemented correctly. This demonstrates a ""deficiency"" in the X protocol, and the Core widget is reflecting the capabilities of the protocol. (The ""deficiency"" is that the information is available in one way, in this case an inconvenient way.) The Xt specification is accurate, in the second and third paragraphs of section 7.10.2, so read this section carefully. The visible field will not change in response to iconification. A VisibilityNotify event will not be received when the window goes from viewable to unviewable, that is, when the widget or an ancestor is unmapped; that is, when iconification occurs. This is the protocol deficiency. Visibility state and viewable state have specific meanings in the X protocol; see the glossary in your Xlib and X protocol reference manual. > Is this a problem with ""mwm"" or is there something > else which needs to be done? You'll see this with any window manager, with no window manager. > If the problem is ""mwm"", what is the fastest > way to determine if a window is iconified? As an application writer, keep track with a global Boolean in an action routine with translations for MapNotify and UnmapNotify on the Shell widget which contains your custom widget. As the custom widget writer, see the map_state field returned by a call to XGetWindowAttributes. These are suggestions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 23. How do I reparent a widget in Xt, i.e. XtReparentWidget()? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can't. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 24. Why use XtMalloc, XtFree, etc? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, most code that calls malloc(), realloc() or calloc() tends to ignore the possibility of returning NULL. At best it is handled something like: ptr = (type *) malloc (sizeof (type)) if (!ptr) { perror (""malloc in xyzzy()""); exit (1) } To handle this common case the Intrinsics define the functions XtMalloc(), XtCalloc(), XtNew(), XtNewString() and XtRealloc() which all use the standard C language functions malloc(), calloc() and realloc() but execute XtErrorMsg() if a NULL value is returned. Xt error handlers are not supposed to return so this effectively exits. In addition, if XtRealloc() is called with a NULL pointer, it uses XtMalloc() to get the initial space. This allows code like: if (!ptr) ptr = (type *) malloc (sizeof (type)); else ptr = (type *) realloc (ptr, sizeof (type) * (count + 1)); ++count; to be written as: ptr = XtRealloc (ptr, sizeof (ptr) * ++count); Also, XtFree() accepts a NULL pointer as an argument. Generally, I've found the Xt functions conveniant to use. However, anytime I'm allocating anything potentially large I use the standard functions so I can fully recover from not enough memory errors. XtNew() and XtNewString() are conveniant macros for allocating a structure or copying a string: struct abc *xyzzy; char *ptr; char *str = ""abcdef""; xyzzy = XtNew (struct abc); /* takes care of type casting */ ptr = XtNewString (str); A strict interpretation of the Intrinsics reference manual allow an implementation to provide functions that are not exchangable with malloc() and free(). I.e. code such as: char *ptr; ptr = XtMalloc (100); /* ... */ free (ptr); may not work. Personally, I'd call any implementation that did this broken and complain to the vendor. A common error for Motif programmers is to use XtFree() on a string when they should really be using XmStringFree(). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 25. How to debug an Xt application? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- First, I'd recomend getting ""purify"" from Pure Software. This is a great package for tracing memory problems on Sun's. It's a bit pricey at $2750 but I'd still recomend it. Excuse the marketing blurb (contact support@pure.com for more info). Purify inserts additional checking instructions directly into the object code produced by existing compilers. These instructions check every memory read and write performed by the program under test and detect several types of access errors, such as reading unitialized memory, writing past malloc'd bounds, or writing to freed memory. Purify inserts checking logic into all of the code in a program, including third party and vendor object-code libraries, and verifies system call interfaces. In addition, Purify tracks memory usage and identifies individual memory leaks using a novel adaption of garbage collection techniques. Purify's nearly comprehensive memory access checking slows the target program down typically by a factor of two to five. An alternative package that isn't as pricey ($395 for a Sun), runs on many Unix's and has pretty similar features is ""The SENTINEL Debugging Environment"". This replaces malloc() and several other C library functions to add additional checks. (contact cpcahil@virtech.vti.com for more info) Next, if you are getting any sort of Xlib error, you'll need to run in synchronous mode, easily accomplished with the ""-sync"" command line argument or by setting the variable Xdebug to 1 with your debugger. Then set a break point in exit(). This will let you trace back to the original Xlib function being called. If you don't run in synchronous mode, then the actual error may have occured any number of calls to Xlib previously since the Xlib calls are buffered and replies from the server are asynchronous. Next, if you are having trouble with window layout, you can use the undocumented resource ""xtIdentifyWindows"" or the class resource ""XtDebug"" to cause the widget name to be identified with each window. For example: example% xload -xrm '*XtDebug:true' & example% xwininfo -tree will give the normal information but the widget name and class of each window is included. This can help for checking the location and size of errant widgets. Next, if you are having trouble with geometry managers or you want to test the way a widget manages it's children, you can try export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/libXtGeo.tar.Z. This acts as a filter between any children and a geometry manager and checks the behaviour of both. It's a very clever idea. The most unfortunate problem is debugging a callback while the application is executing a grab of the keyboard or mouse (such as from a pulldown menu). The server effectively locks up and you'll need to go to another machine and kill the debugger manually. The server locks up because the application being debugged has said no one else can have access to the keyboard but the application is not stopped waiting because the debugger is waiting for your commands. Unfortunately you can't give them because all the input is going to your application which is stopped. The best way to debug this kind of problem is with two machines on your desk, running the program under a debugger (or other environment) on one machine, and running the application on the other, possibly using a command sequence like this: othermachine% xhost +thismachine thismachine% setenv DISPLAY othermachine:0; thismachine% gdb application # Your favorite debugger. or this: othermachine% xhost +thismachine thismachine% gdb application (gdb) set environment DISPLAY othermachine:0 (gdb) run ... I believe CodeCenter, a C interpreter/graphical debugger has a method of dealing with this by explicitely calling the Xlib functions to release any grabs during breakpoints. Debugging widget problems requires pretty good debugging skills and knowledge of how widgets work. You can go a long way without knowing the internals of a particular widget but not very far without understanding how a widget works. Judicious use of conditional breakpoints and adding print statements with the debugger help a great deal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 26. Why don't XtAddInput(), XtAddTimeout() and XtAddWorkProc() work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have got a delicate problem with the three routines XtAddInput, XtAddTimeOut and XtAddWorkProc. The problem I have is that when I use them in my application they seem not to be registred properly. I have made a handy little testprogram where everything works perfect, but in my ""real"" application nothing happens. The introduction in R3 of the XtApp*() functions obsoleted those routines (see Q19 for other changes in R3, R4, and R5). What happens is they use a default application context different then the one you may have created. Since events and timeouts are distributed on a per application context basis and you are using two application contexts, you won't get those events. For example: ... cnt = 0; toplevel = XtAppInitialize(&app, class, Desc, XtNumber (Desc), &argc, argv, Fallback, args, cnt); XtAddTimeOut (...) XtAddWorkProc (...) XtAppMainLoop (app) would never invoke the timeout. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 27. What is and how can I implement drag and drop? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (Courtesy of Roger Reynolds, rogerr@netcom.com; 19 Feb 93) Drag-n-drop is a buzzword for moving data between clients, in an ``intuitive'' fashion. Motif Version 1.2 supports drag-n-drop capabilities, OpenLook has supported d-n-d all along. The two protocols are not compatable with each other, and so far as I know, they are not published. I wrote a package called RDD which is designed to be a flexible public protocol for doing drag 'n drop operations between clients. My intention was to provide a tool which would make it easy for people to support a ""standard"" drag-n-drop protocol in the programs they develop and contribute or sell, regardless of what widget set is used (as long as it is based on Xt). The implementation is based upon my understanding of the ICCCM conventions, for more details read the code. I have heard from dozens of people using RDD who like it and feel that it works a whole lot better than Motif 1.2 stuff. Also, there seem to be many who think that it is neat but are constrained to use Motif anyway. The latest RDD (and some other stuff) is available for ftp from netcom.com, in /pub/rogerr. A (possibly older) version is also available on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib. -- Pete Ware ware@cis.ohio-state.edu CIS Dept, Ohio State University w/ (614) 292-7318 228 Bolz Hall, 2036 Neil Ave. h/ (614) 538-0965 Columbus, OH 43210 " 1177,6,"From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) Subject: Used Stuff Organization: IQ Software Corp. Lines: 22 I have this used equipment for sale, everything is negotiable! 1200 Baud Compuadd Internal Modem, all docs and software $ 25.00 SCO UNIX V3.2.2 All disks and Docs (Has UUCP/all Utils) $150.00 Old 1.2MB floppy drive, functional, out of an old 286. $ 20.00 Dead ST1196 80MB RLL drive, don't know whats wrong with it. $ 20.00 Old Joystick, don't remember the brand name $ 10.00 Old Boat Anchor CGA Monitor with full length CGA CArd $ 20.00 Serial Card 25 Pin $ 10.00 Test Drive III Accolade $ 20.00 All prices neg +shipping! " 1178,2,"From: hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) Subject: Re: Need longer filenames Organization: Mind's Eye, Inc. Lines: 18 X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13 In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote: > > > Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than > the standard 8.3 format. If so please email me. please e-mail me too, thanks ...howard hfeldman@infoserv.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Feldman Mind's Eye, Inc. " 1179,12,"From: loving@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Loving) Subject: specs on eprom data formats Nntp-Posting-Host: lanai.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 10 I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S JEDEC etc. Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it? The one I want the most is Intel Hex. Mike " 1180,5,"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 3/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 998 Archive-name: x-faq/part3 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5? The release of new public patches by the MIT X Consortium is announced in the comp.windows.x.announce newsgroup. Patches themselves are available via ftp from export and from other sites from which X11 is available. They are now also distributed through the newsgroup comp.sources.x. Some source re-sellers may be including patches in their source distributions of X11. People without ftp access can use the xstuff mail server. It now has 23 patches for X11R5 [3/93]. Send to xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu the Subject line send fixes # where # is the name of the patch and is usually just the number of the patch. Here are a few complications: 1) fix 5 is in four parts; you need to request ""5a"", ""5b"", ""5c"" and ""5d"" separately 2) the file sunGX.uu, which was part of an earlier patch, was re-released with patch 7 [note: the file doesn't work with Solaris] 3) fix 8 is in two parts: ""8a"" and ""8b"" 4) fix 13 is in three parts: ""13a"", ""13b"", and ""13c"" 5) fix 16 is in two parts: ""16a"" and ""16b"" 6) fix 18 replaces the R5fix-test1 for the X Test Suite, which previously was optional 7) fix 19 also needs PEXlib.tar.Z, which you can obtain from xstuff by asking for ""PEXlib.uu.[1234]"". 8) fix 22 is in 9 parts, ""22a"" through ""22i"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 59) What is the xstuff mail-archive? The xstuff server is a mail-response program. That means that you mail it a request, and it mails back the response. Any of the four possible commands must be the first word on a line. The xstuff server reads your entire message before it does anything, so you can have several different commands in a single message (unless you ask for help). The xstuff server treats the ""Subject:"" header line just like any other line of the message. The archives are organized into a series of directories and subdirectories. Each directory has an index, and each subdirectory has an index. The top-level index gives you an overview of what is in the subdirectories, and the index for each subdirectory tells you what is in it. 1) The command ""help"" or ""send help"" causes the server to send you a more detailed version of this help file. 2) if your message contains a line whose first word is ""index"", then the server will send you the top-level index of the contents of the archive. If there are other words on that line that match the name of subdirectories, then the indexes for those subdirectories are sent instead of the top-level index. For example, you can say ""send index fixes"" (or ""index fixes""). A message that requests an index cannot request data. 3) if your message contains a line whose first word is ""send"", then the xstuff server will send you the item(s) named on the rest of the line. To name an item, you give its directory and its name. For example send fixes 1 4 8a 8b 9 You may issue multiple send requests. The xstuff server contains many safeguards to ensure that it is not monopolized by people asking for large amounts of data. The mailer is set up so that it will send no more than a fixed amount of data each day. If the work queue contains more requests than the day's quota, then the unsent files will not be processed until the next day. Whenever the mailer is run to send its day's quota, it sends the requests out shortest-first. 4) Some mailers produce mail headers that are unusable for extracting return addresses. If you use such a mailer, you won't get any response. If you happen to know an explicit path, you can include a line like path foo%bar.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu or path bar!foo!frotz in the body of your message, and the daemon will use it. The xstuff server itself can be reached at xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu. If your mailer deals in ""!"" notation, try sending to {someplace}!mit-eddie!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xstuff. [based on information from the MIT X Consortium, 8/89, 4/90.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)? Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., ships X11R4 on half-inch, quarter-inch, and TK50 formats. Call 617-621-0060 for ordering information. The Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) sells X11R4 on half-inch tapes and on QIC-24 cartridges. Yaser Doleh (doleh@math-cs.kent.EDU; P.O. Box 1301, Kent, OH 44240) is making X11R4 available on HP format tapes, 16 track, and Sun cartridges. [2/90] European sites can obtain a free X11R4 distribution from Jamie Watson, who may be reached at chx400!pan!jw or jw@pan.uu.ch. [10/90] Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) makes source available. IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) is selling X11R4 source on quarter-inch cartridge formats and on 5.25"" and 3.5"" floppy, with other formats available on request. [IXI, 2/90] Virtual Technologies (703-430-9247) provides the entire X11R4 compressed source release on a single QIC-24 quarter-inch cartridge and also on 1.2meg or 1.44 meg floppies upon request. [Conor Cahill (cpcahil@virtech.uu.net) 2/90] Young Minds (714-335-1350) makes the R4 and GNU distributions available on a full-text-indexed CD-ROM. [Note that some distributions are media-only and do not include docs.] X11R4 is ftp-able from export.lcs.mit.edu; these sites are preferable, though, and are more direct: Machine Internet FTP Location Name Address Directory -------- ------- -------- ------------- (1) West USA gatekeeper.dec.com 16.1.0.2 pub/X11/R4 Central USA mordred.cs.purdue.edu 128.10.2.2 pub/X11/R4 (2) Central USA giza.cis.ohio-state.edu 128.146.8.61 pub/X.V11R4 Southeast USA uunet.uu.net 192.48.96.2 X/R4 (3) Northeast USA crl.dec.com 192.58.206.2 pub/X11/R4 (4) UK Janet src.doc.ic.ac.uk 129.31.81.36 X.V11R4 UK niftp uk.ac.ic.doc.src (5) Australia munnari.oz.au 128.250.1.21 X.V11/R4 The giza.cis.ohio-state.edu site, in particular, is known to have much of the contrib stuff that can be found on export. The release is available to DEC Easynet sites as CRL::""/pub/X11/R4"". Sites in Australia may contact this address: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU [129.127.40.3] and check the directory pub/X/R4. The machine shadows export and archives comp.sources.x. (Mark Prior, mrp@ucs.adelaide.edu.au, 5/90) Note: a much more complete list is distributed as part of the introductory postings to comp.sources.x. A set of X11R4 binaries built by Tom Roell (roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) for the 386/ix will available from export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib and in /pub/i386/X11R4 from 131.159.8.35 in Europe. Stephen Hite (shite@sinkhole.unf.edu) can also distribute to folks without ftp facilities via disks sent SASE; contact him for USmail and shipping details. [12/90] In addition, the binaries are available via uucp from szebra [1-408-739-1520, TB+ (PEP); ogin:nuucp sword:nuucp] in /usr2/xbbs/bbs/x. In addition, the source is on zok in /usrX/i386.R4server/. [2/91] In addition, if you are in the US, the latest SVR4 binary (April 15), patches, and fonts are available on piggy.ucsb.edu (128.111.72.50) in the directory /pub/X386, same filenames as above. (Please use after 6pm Pacific, as these are large files.) [5/91] A set of HP 9000/800 binaries is available on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15) as ~ftp/pub/MitX11R4/libs.x800.Z. [2/91] A set of X11R4 binaries for the NeXT 2.x have been made available by Howie Kaye on cunixf.cc.columbia.edu A set of binaries by John Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu) for the Mac running A/UX 2.0 is available from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the file (/archive/systems/aux/X11R4/Xupdate2.tar.Z). Also in X11R4/diffs is a set of patches for making X11R4 with shared libraries with mkshlib. A complete distribution of SCO X11R4 binaries by Baruch Cochavy (blue@techunix.technion.ac.il) can be found on uunet. The server is Roell's X386 1.1b, compiled for ET4000 based SVGA boards. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 61) Where can I get OSF/Motif? You can obtain either OSF/Motif source or binaries from a number of vendors. Motif 1.2.2 source is now available; it is based on X11R5. Motif 1.1 is based on the R4.18 Intrinsics and is currently [7/92] at 1.1.5. An OSF/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can be obtained from the Open Software Foundation or any value-added vendor for any version. Call the Direct Channels Desk at OSF at 617-621-7300 for ordering information. Various hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries, header files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if that vendor is an OSF member. In addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits for machines for which Motif is not supported by a vendor; the kits include varied levels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries and are based on widely divergent version of Motif: Quest (408-988-8880) sells kits for Suns, as well; IXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 and Sun4. NSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers kits for the Sun 3 and Sun 4. Bluestone Consulting makes a kit for Sun systems. ICS (617-62-0060) makes several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC. HP and DEC have announced support for Motif on Sun systems. Unipalm (+44-954-211-797) currently offers for Sun systems a Motif Development Kit including X11R4 and based on Motif 1.1.2. The US distributor is Expert Object Corp (708-926-8500). BIM ships Motif 1.1 binaries for Suns. Shared library support is included. Contact Alain Vermeiren (av@sunbim.be) or Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be) at +32(2)759.59.25 (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) (Belgium). SILOGIC (+33 61.57.95.95) ships Motif 1.2 and Motif 1.1 on Sun machines. S.I. Systems offers Motif 1.2 for Solaris 2.1; info: 1-800-755-8649 in USA and Canada. Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333, UniVision (UK) Ltd. (44) 628 82 22 81) ships an implementation of X11R4 and Motif 1.1.2 (including a shared-library implementation of libXm.a) for the 386/486 Unix market. Motif 1.1.2 is also available for Sun Sparc based workstations. It has also announced Motif 1.2 for Solaris systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 62) Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5? Motif 1.2 is based on X11R5. Motif 1.1, available in source form from OSF as of August 1990, uses the ""vanilla"" X11R4 Intrinsics, where ""vanilla"" means ""with just a few patches""; the file fix-osf which OSF distributes is obsoleted by MIT's patches 15-17. The file fix-osf-1.1.1 distributed with the 1.1.1 version or its subsequent modification needs to be applied after MIT fix-18, though. Motif 1.1.1 to 1.1.3 will work with X11R5 if X11R5 is compiled with -DMOTIFBC; 1.1.4 and later should work with the vanilla R5, although there are some known new geometry-management problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 63) Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK? Sun's XView has a SunView-style API. A version is on the X11R4 tape; the latest [2/92] 3.0 sources are on export in contrib/xview3/. XView and X binaries for the Sun 386i (""roadrunner"") are available for ftp from svin01.win.tue.nl (131.155.70.70), directory pub/X11R4_386i. Supported binaries of XView 2.0 or 3.0 include: XView for non-Sun Platforms (domestic and selected international vendors). Several are also available from Sun; contact your local sales office. Amiga GfxBase, Inc. 1881 Ellwell Drive (AmigaDOS) (408) 262-1469 Milpitas, CA 95035 Fax: (408) 262-8276 SGI Sony (NEWS-OS) IBM RS/6000 HP 9000 DECstation UniPress Software 2025 Lincoln Highway (Ultrix) (908) 985-8000 Edison, NJ 08817 Fax: (908) 287-4929 UniPress Software, Ltd. PO Box 70 44-624-661-8850 Viking House Fax: 44-624-663-453 Nelson Street Douglas, Isle of Man United Kingdom DEC VAXstation TGV 603 Mission Street (VMS) (800) TGV-3440 Santa Cruz, CA 95060 (408) 427-4366 Fax: (408) 427-4365 Unipalm Ltd. 145-147 St. Neots Road 44-0954-211797 Hardwick Fax: 44-0954-211244 Cambridge CB3 7QJ England Intel 386 Quarterdeck Office 150 Pico Boulevard (DOS) Systems Santa Monica, CA 90405 (213) 392-9851 Fax: (213) 399-3802 Intel 386 SunSoft Corporation 6601 Center Drive West (Interactive 310-348-8649 Suite 700 UNIX and Los Angeles, CA 90045 SCO UNIX) Stardent Scripps Institute Clinic MB-5 (Stellix OS Fax: (619) 554-4485 10666 N. Torrey Pines Road and Titan OS) Include mailstop MB-5 La Jolla, CA 92057 By ftp: 192.42.82.8 in pub/binary/{Xview.README,XView.tar.Z} AT&T's OPEN LOOK GUI 3.0 Xt-based toolkit is now generally available [2/92]; contact 1-800-828-UNIX#544 for information. Binaries are produced for SPARC systems by International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289). A version of the toolkit is also produced under the name OLIT by Sun. More recent versions of OLIT have been ported to IBM 6000 and DEC MIPS by both UniPress and ICS. OLIT is also available for HP from Melillo Consulting (908-873-0075). MJM (Somerset, NJ) makes OLIT 4.0 for HP 7xx series running HPUX 8.0, DECstations, and RS/6000s [thanks to Joanne Newbauer, jo@attunix.att.com, 908-522-6677.] Sun is shipping OpenWindows 3.0; contact your local sales representative for more details; the package includes toolkit binaries and header files. ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) extensible C++-based Object Interface Library, which supports run-time selection between Open Look or Motif, is available from 303-678-4626. [5/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications) The MIT Software Center ships the X Test Suite on tape. A multi-threaded version of Xlib based on X11R5 patch 12 is now available for anonymous FTP from (new version 1/93): DEC on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in /pub/X11/contrib/mt-xlib-1.1 MIT on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1 HP has made available drivers to permit the building of the X11R5 sample server on the HP 9000 Series 700 workstations; the files are on export.lcs.mit.edu in ~ftp/contrib/R5.HP.SRV. [8/92] User-contributed software is distributed through the newsgroup comp.sources.x, moderated by Chris Olson (chris@imd.sterling.com); also check that group for posting information. Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has been creating a list of freely- available X sources. The list is stored on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib as x-source-list.Z. It lists the main storage locations for the program and international sites from which it may be ftp'ed. The machine export.lcs.mit.edu has a great deal of user-contributed software in the contrib/ directory; a good deal of it is present in current or earlier versions on the X11R3, X11R4, and X11R5 contrib tapes. There are also directories for fixes to contrib software. The file on export in contrib/00-index.txt is a quick overall index of the software in that area, provided by Daniel Lewart (d-lewart@uiuc.edu). These sites used to and may still mirror export and are of particular use for Australasia: Anonymous ftp: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU; ACSnet Fetchfile: sirius.ua.oz. The material on giza.cis.ohio-state.edu, which tends to duplicate the export archives, is also available via anonymous UUCP from osu-cis, at TB+ and V.32 speeds. Write to uucp@cis.ohio-state.edu (same as osu-cis!uucp) for instructions. [the archive is now maintained by Karl Kleinpaste] A new west-coast UUCP X11 Archive is administered by Mark Snitily (mark@zok.uucp) and contains the full X11 distribution, the XTEST distribution, an entire archive of comp.sources.x and other goodies. The machine zok has a TB+ modem which will connect to 19.2K, 2400, 1200 baud (in that order). The anonymous UUCP account is UXarch with password Xgoodies. The modem's phone number is 408-996-8285. A sample Systems (or L.sys) entry might be: zok Any ACU 19200 4089968285 in:--in: UXarch word: Xgoodies To get a current listing of the files that are available, download the file ""/usrX/ls-lR.Z"". A full subject index of the comp.sources.x files is available in the file ""/usrX/comp.sources.x/INDEX"". The machine has just the one modem, so please do not fetch large amounts of data at one sitting. [courtesy Mark Snitily, 2/90] In addition, UUNET Source Archives (703-876-5050) tracks comp.sources.x and provides 800MB+ of compressed programs on 6250 bpi tapes or 1/4"" tapes. It also mirrors export/contrib in its packages/X directory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 65)! Where can I get interesting widgets? The Free Widget Foundation (FWF) library sponsored by Brian Totty (totty@cs.uiuc.edu) is now [2/93] available on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) in pub/fwf-v3.41.shar.Z. The set of widgets there is intended to form the basis for future contributions. To be added to the discussion list, send to listserv@cs.uiuc.edu a message saying ""subscribe "" where is one of free-widgets-announce, free-widgets-development, or free-widgets-bugs. Version 3.4 is current; look for 4.0 in 4/93. The Xew widget set contains widgets for data representation. Version 1.2 [4/93] is on export contrib/Xew-1.2.tar.Z. Peter Ware's Xo ""Open Widget"" set, which has Motif-like functionality, is on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu as pub/Xo/Xo-2.1.tar.Z [8/92]. The AthenaTools Plotter Widget Set Version 6-beta [7/92] maintained by Peter Klingebiel (klin@iat.uni-paderborn.de) includes many graph and plotting widgets; a copy is on export in plotter.v6b.tar.Z, plotter.doc.tar.Z, plotter.afm.tar.Z, and plotter.README. The latest versions may in fact be on ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) in /unix/tools. An advance version of Marc Quinton's Motif port of the FWF MultiList widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr:pub/MultiList.tar.Z [143.196.9.31]. Additional widgets are available on the contrib/ portion of the X11R4 tapes; these include the Xcu set. Paul Johnston's (johnston@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov) X Control Panel widget set emulates hardware counterparts; sources are on export.lcs.mit.edu in Xc-1.3.tar.Z. O'Reilly Volume 4, Doug Young's book, the Asente/Swick book, and Jerry Smith's ""Object-oriented Programming with the X Window System Toolkits"" all include details on writing widgets and include several useful widgets; sources are typically on export and/or UUNET. The Dirt interface builder includes the libXukc widet set which extends the functionality of Xaw. A graph widget and other 2D-plot and 3D-contour widgets by Sundar Narasimhan (sundar@ai.mit.edu) are available from ftp.ai.mit.edu as /com/ftp/pub/users/sundar/graph.tar.Z. The graph widget has been updated [3/91] with documentation and histogram capabilities. A graph widget is available from ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Graph.tar.Z; it uses a segment list for drawing and hence supports a zoom operation. Ken Lee's Xm widget (demo) that uses Display PostScript to draw labels at a non-horizontal angle is on export in contrib/dpslabel.tar.Z. The Table widget (works like troff TBL tables) is available in several flavors, one of which is with the Widget Creation Library release. Bell Communications Research has developed a Matrix widget for complex application layouts; it's on export in contrib/Xbae-widgets-3.8.tar.Z [2/93. The distribution also includes a ""caption"" widget to associate labels with particular GUI components. (7/92) Dan Connolly's (connolly@convex.COM) XcRichText interprets RTF data; it's on export as contrib/XcRichText-1.1.tar.Z. The XmGraph Motif-based graphing widget is on iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu in /comp.hp/GUI_classic/XmGraph.tar.Z although it may not be stable. A TeX-style Layout widget by Keith Packard is described in the proceedings of the 7th MIT Technical Conference (O'Reilly X Resource volume 5); source is available on export contrib/Layout.tar.Z. A version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool is available as contrib/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The package also includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12/91;5/92] In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to use PEX in Xt-based programs. A Motif port of the Xaw clock widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Clock.tar.Z. A modification of the Xaw ScrollBar widget which supports the arrowhead style of other toolkits is on export in contrib/Xaw.Scrollbar.mta.Z. A beta 0.3 (11/92) release of the R5 Xaw widgets with a 3D visual appearance by Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov) is available on export in contrib/Xaw3d/R5/Xaw3d-0.3.tar.Z. The library, which is binary-compatible with the MIT Xaw, implements a 3D subclass which handles the extra drawing. Also: The Xmt ""Motif Tools"", Dovetail Systems's shareware library of 9 widgets and many convenience functions, is available from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib and ftp.ora.com:/pub/xbook/Xmt in xmt-README and xmt-1.0.tar.Z. The Xtra XWidgets set includes widgets for pie and bar charts, XY plots, Help, spreadsheets, data entry forms, and line and bar graphs. Contact Graphical Software Technology at 310-328-9338 (info@gst.com) for information. The XRT/graph widget, available for Motif, XView and OLIT, displays X-Y plots, bar and pie charts, and supports user-feedback, fast updates and PostScript output. Contact KL Group Inc. at 416-594-1026 (info@klg.com). A set of data-entry widgets for Motif is available from Marlan Software, 713-467-1458 (gwg@world.std.com). A set of graph widgets is available from Expert Database Systems (212-370-6700). A set of OSF/Motif compound widgets and support routines for 2D visualization is available from Ms Quek Lee Hian, National Computer Board, Republic of Singapore; Tel : (65)7720435; Fax : (65)7795966; leehian@iti.gov.sg, leehian@itivax.bitnet. The ICS Widget Databook includes a variety of control widgets and special-purpose widgets, available on a variety of platforms. Information: 617-621-0060, info@ics.com. Information on graphing tools may be obtained from info@TomSawyer.com (+1-510-848-0853, fax: +1-510-848-0854). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 66) Where can I get a good file-selector widget? The Free Widget Foundation set offers a FileSelector widget, with separate directory path and file listing windows, and the FileComplete, which has emacs-style file completion and ~ expansion. Other available file-requestor widgets include the XiFileSelector from Iris Software's book, the xdbx file-selector extracted by David Nedde (daven@wpi.wpi.edu), and the FileNominator from the aXe distribution. The GhostView, Xfig, and vimage packages also include file-selector widgets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 67) What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas? Some widget sets have a widget particularly for this purpose -- a WorkSpace or DrawingArea which doesn't display anything but lets your Xt application know when it has been re-exposed, resized, and when it has received user key and mouse input. The best thing to do for other widget sets -- including the Athena set -- is to create or obtain such a widget; this is preferable to drawing into a core widget and grabbing events with XtAddEventHandler(), which loses a number of benefits of Xt and encapsulation of the functionality . At least one version has been posted to comp.sources.x (name???). The publicly-available programs xball and xpic include other versions. The Athena Widget manual (mit/doc/Xaw/Template in the R5 distribution) includes a tutorial and source code to a simple widget which is suitable for use. The Free Widget Foundation set contains a Canvas widget. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 68) What is the current state of the world in X terminals? Jim Morton (jim@applix.com) posts quarterly to comp.windows.x a list of manufacturers and terminals; it includes pricing information. Notable buyers-guide surveys include: - the September 1991 issue of Systems Integration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 69) Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen? Labtam (+61 3 587 1444, fax +61 3 580 5581) offers a 19"" Surface Acoustic Wave touch-screen option on its Xengine terminals. Tektronix (1-800-225-5434) provides an X terminal with the Xtouch touch-screen. This terminal may also be resold through Trident Systems (703-273-1012). Metro Link (305-970-7353) supports the EloGraphics Serial Touch Screen Controllers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 70) Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)? MIT X11R5 already provides a server to many 386/486 *Unixes* with support for many of the popular video graphics adapters; and for other non-MSDOS PCs you can obtain a server from these sources: XFree86 (formerly X386 1.2E) is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which was distributed with X11R5; it includes many bug fixes, speed improvements, and other enhancements. Source for version 1.2 [2/93] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in pub/contrib, ftp.physics.su.oz.au in /X386, and ftp.win.tue.nl in /pub/X386. In addition, binaries are on ftp.physics.su.oz.au, and ftp.win.tue.nl among other systems. Info: x386@physics.su.oz.au. Note: this package obsoletes Glenn Lai's Speedup patches for an enhanced X11R5 server for 386 UNIXes with ET4000 boards (SpeedUp.tar.Z on export). Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 for the 386/486 Unix market. SGCS offers X386 Version 1.3, based on Thomas Roell's X11R5 two-headed server, in binary and source form. Information: 408-255-9665, info@sgcs.com. ISC, SCO, UHC, and other well-known operating-system vendors typically offer X servers. For MSDOS PCs: Daniel J. McCoy (mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov) has started posting monthly a list of non-UNIX servers for PCs, Macs, and Amigas; it includes pricing information. The current copy is kept on export in contrib as XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z. An article on PC X servers appears in the March 2, 1992 Open Systems Today. Also of possible use: Net-I from Programit (212-809-1707) enables communication among DOS, OS/2 and Unix machines and can be used to display PC sessions on your Unix X display. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 71) Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS? eXodus from White Pine Software (603-886-9050) runs on any Mac with at least 1MB of memory and runs the X server within a standard Macintosh window. Version 3.0 [6/91] supports intermixing of X and Mac windows and the ADSP protocol. The version supports the SHAPE extension and includes DECwindows support. Apple's MacX runs on MacPlus or newer machines with >= 2MB of memory and system software 6.0.4 or later. Version 1.1 is fully X11R4-based. It supports full ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the Macintosh and X11 worlds, the SHAPE extension (including SHAPEd windows on the Macintosh desktop), an optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager, X11R4 fonts and colors, a built-in BDF font compiler, and built-in standard colormaps. Upgrades to MacX are available by ftp from aux.support.apple.com. Info: 408-996-1010. [Note: MacX is also the name of a vax-mac xmodem transfer utility.] Also: Liken (1-800-245-UNIX or info@qualix.com) software enables monochrome 68000 Mac applications to run on a SPARC system running X. Xport (1-800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200) or xport@qualix.com) enables Mac applications to display on an X-based workstation by turning the Mac into an X client. Intercon has a product called Planet-X which enables Mac applications to display on an X server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 72) Where can I get X for the Amiga? The new Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and libraries on a full SVR4 implementation. GfxBase, Inc. provides ""X11 R4.1"" for the AmigaDos computer; it contains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc., and a Release 4 color server. An optional programmer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries, and sample programs. Info from GfxBase, 408-262-1469. [Dale Luck (uunet!{cbmvax|pyramid}!boing!dale); 2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 73) Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation? The R5 server should be among the fastest available for most machines. Sun sells a ""Direct Xlib"" product which improves rendering for applications running on the same machine as the X server; the replacement Xlib library accesses graphics hardware directly using Sun's Direct Graphics Access (DGA) technology. International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289) has an optimized R4 server for Sun3/4 under SunOS 4.0. Unipalm have R4 Servers for Sun3 and Sparc platforms. These are optimised to use graphics hardware and will run with Sunview. Information: +44 954 211797 or xtech@unipalm.co.uk. Xgraph's Xtool (408-492-9031) is an X server implemented in SunView which boasts impressive results on Sun 3 and SPARC systems. [6/90] Several companies are making hardware accellerator boards: Dupont Pixel Systems (302-992-6911), for Sun. Megatek's (619-455-5590) X-cellerator board for the Sun 3 and Sun 4 is based on the TI 34020; the company claims performance improvements of 5x to 10x over the sample X11R3 server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board? Takahashi Naoto (Electrotechnical Laboratory, ntakahas@etl.go.jp) has modified the MIT X11R5 server to support the Sun CG8, CG9, and CG12 boards. The files are on export in contrib/Xsun24-3.[01].tar.Z. Note that both files are necessary to build Xsun24-3.1. The JPL R5 Xsun Multi-screen server is a general purpose replacement for the MIT server/ddx/sun layer; it provides for the screen to be split among several monitors and implements several other features above the MIT implementation. Available on export.lcs.mit.edu in the file contrib/R5.Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z. [Kaleb Keithley, kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov, 12/91; the file was updated 24 Mar 1993.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 75) Where can I get an ""X terminal"" server for my low-end Sun 3/50? Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu) has written Xkernel; the current version [1.4 as of 8/91, 2.0 expected RSN] is on sol.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.40] in /pub/Xkernel.gamma. It turns a Sun 3/50 into a pseudo- X terminal; most of the overhead of the operating system is side-stepped, so it is fairly fast and needs little disk space. A similar approach is to run the regular X server by making /etc/init a shell script which does the minimal setup and then invokes Xsun, like this example script from mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.EDU: #! /bin/sh exec >/dev/console 2>&1 /etc/fsck -p /dev/nd0 case $? in 0) ;; 4) /etc/reboot -q -n ;; 8) echo ND fsck failed - get help /etc/halt ;; 12) echo Interrupted /etc/reboot ;; *) echo Unknown error in reboot fsck - get help /etc/halt ;; esac /bin/dd if=/tmp-fs of=/dev/nd2 bs=512 count=128 >/dev/null 2>&1 /etc/mount /dev/nd2 /tmp /etc/ifconfig le0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 132.206.41.255 /etc/mount -o ro apollo:/u2/x11/lib /local/lib/X11 /etc/route add default 132.206.41.1 1 >/dev/null set `/etc/ifconfig le0` exec /Xsun -once -multidisp -mux -query \ `(sh -vn &1)` ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 76) What terminal emulators other than xterm are available? PCS has rewritten xterm from scratch using a multi-widget approach that can be used by applications. A version is on the R5 contrib tape and on export in contrib/emu.tar.Z [10/91]. For more information, contact me@dude.pcs.com. mxterm, a Motif-based xterm is available from the Paderborner ftp-Server ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32), file /unix/X11/more_contrib/mxterm.tar.Z. The Color Terminal Widget provides ANSI-terminal emulation compatible with the VTx00 series; a version is on export in contrib/CTW-1.1.tar.Z. A Motif version is on ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Term-1.0.tar.Z. kterm 4.1.2 is an X11R4-based vt100/vt102 (and Tektronix 4014) terminal emulator that supports display of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean text (in VT mode). Also supported are: ANSI color sequences, multi-byte word selection, limited Compound Text support, and tab and newline preservation in selections. kterm 4.1.2 is also available from these anonymous ftp sites: clr.nmsu.edu:pub/misc/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [128.123.1.14] export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [18.24.0.12] kum.kaist.ac.kr:pub/unix/Xstuffs/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [137.68.1.65] [courtesy of Mark Leisher ] kterm-5.1.1.tar.Z is now on export [12/92]. mterm, by mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, is an X terminal emulator which includes ANSI X3.64 and DEC emulation modes. mterm can be had by ftp to larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1), in X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax. Cxterm is a Chinese xterm, which supports both GB2312-1980 and the so-called Big-5 encoding. Hanzi input conversion mechanism is builtin in cxterm. Most input methods are stored in external files that are loaded at run time. Users can redefine any existing input methods or create their own ones. The X11R5 cxterm is the rewritten of cxterm (version 11.5.1) based on X11R5 xterm; it is in the R5 contrib software. [thanks to Zhou Ning and Steinar Bang .] XVT is available on export's contrib in xvt-1.0.tar.Z and xvt-1.0.README. It is designed to offer xterm's functionality with lower swap space and may be of particular use on systems driving many X terminals. x3270 is in X11R5 contrib/. Also: IBM sells a 3270 emulator for the RS/6000 (part #5765-011); it's based on Motif. Century Software (801-268-3088) sells a VT220 terminal emulator for X. VT102, Wyse 50 and SCO Color Console emulation are also available. Grafpoint's TGRAF-X provides emulation of Tektronix 4107, 4125, and 42xx graphics terminals; it's available for most major platforms. Information (inc. free demo copies): 800-426-2230; Fax. 408-446-0666; uunet!grafpnt!sales. IXI's X.deskterm, a package for integrating character-based applications into an X environment, includes a number of terminal-emulation modules. Information: +44 (0223) 462131. [5/90] Pericom produces Teem-X, a set of several emulation packages for a number of Tek, DEC, Westward, and Data General terminals. The software runs on Sun 3, Sun 4, Apollo, DEC, ISC, IBM/AIX. Information: US: 609-895-0404, UK: +44 (0908) 560022. [5/90] SCO's SCOterm (info@sco.COM), part of its Open Desktop environment, is a Motif-compliant SCO ANSI color console emulator. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor? You can ftp a version of GNU Emacs, the extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor, including X11 support, from prep.ai.mit.edu [18.71.0.38]:/pub/gnu/emacs-18.59.tar.Z or informatik.tu-muenchen.de:/pub/GNU/emacs/emacs-18.59.tar.Z. Epoch is a modified version of Gnu Emacs (18) with additional facilities useful in an X environment. Current sources are on cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) in ~ftp/pub/epoch-files/epoch; the current [3/92] version is 4.0. [In Europe, try unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de]. There are two subdirectories: epoch contains the epoch source, and gwm contains the source to the programmable window manager GWM, with which epoch works well.] You can get on the Epoch mailing list by sending a request to epoch-request@cs.uiuc.edu. Lucid Emacs is a version of GNU Emacs derived from an early version of Emacs version 19. It currently requires X Windows to run; X support is greatly enhanced over GNU Emacs version 18, including support for multiple X windows, input and display of all ISO-8859-1 (Latin1) characters, Zmacs/Lispm style region highlighting, a customizable Motif-like menubar, more powerful keymap support, flexible text attributes, support on regional and screen-local basis through X resources and/or lisp, and support for the X11 selection mechanism. Lucid Emacs is free; the latest version (2/93) is 19.4, and is available from labrea.stanford.edu in the pub/gnu/lucid/ directory. The Andrew system on the X11 contrib tapes has been described as one of the best word-processing packages available. It supports word processing with multi-media embedded objects: rasters, tables/spread sheets, drawings, style editor, application builder, embedded programming language, &c. Release 5.1 became available 2 June 92. [Fred Hansen (wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)] You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this software; try ""finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu"" for help. The InterViews C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG editor called Doc; it saves and loads files in a LaTeX-*like* format (not quite LaTeX). The package can also import idraw-PostScript drawings. A simple editor aXe (by J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk) is available on export and arjuna.newcastle.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) as aXe-4.1.tar.Z [3/93]. It is based around the Xaw Text widget. TED is a simple Motif-based text editor; it is a wrapper around the Motif text widget which offers search/replace, paragraph formatting, and navigation features. TED is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) as /pub/bill.tar.Z; here are also executables there. Point, by crowley@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Charlie Crowley), is Tcl/Tk-based and offers dyanimic configuration and programming in the Tcl macro language. The editor is available from unmvax.cs.unm.edu (129.24.16.1) as pub/Point/point1.1-tar.Z. asedit, by Andrzej Stochniol (astoch@ic.ac.uk) is on export in contrib/asedit.tar.Z. It is a simple text editor built around the Motif Text widget. Version 1.11 was released 1/93. Also: Elan Computer Group (Mountain View, CA; 415-964-2200) has announced the Avalon Publisher 2.0, an X11/OPEN LOOK WYSIWYG electronic publishing system. FrameMaker and FrameWriter are available as X-based binary products for several machines. Frame is at 800-843-7263 (CA: 408-433-3311). WX2 (formerly InDepthEdit) is available from Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr). Buzzwords International Inc. has an editor called 'Professional Edit' that runs under X/Motif for various platforms. Info: +1-314-334-6317. DECwrite is available from DEC for some DEC hardware and SunWrite is available from Sun. IslandWrite will soon be available from Island Graphics (415-491-1000) (info@island.com) for some HP & Apollo platforms. Interleaf is currently available from Interleaf (800-241-7700, MA: 617-577-9800) on all Sun and DEC platforms; others are under development. The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, MA: 508-870-0300) include a multi-font WYSIWG document composer; for several systems. ArborText, Inc. provides an X11 version of its Electronic Publishing program called ""The Publisher"". The Publisher is available on Sun, HP and Apollo workstations. Contact Arbortext at 313-996-3566. [5/90] Iris Computing Laboratories offers the ""ie"" editor. Info: +1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com. BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a menu-driven word processor with multiple fonts and style sheets. It supports X on multiple platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com) [11/90] The powerful ""sam"" editor by Rob Pike is split into a host portion and a front-end graphics portion, which now has an X implementation. sam is now available by anonymous ftp from research.att.com, in dist/sam/bundle.Z. Watch that space for updated versions. There is a mailing list for sam users; requests to . A set of extensions which augment the mouse activity with the keyboard is available from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu in pub/sam/samx1.0.shar. Innovative Solutions (505-883-4252; or Brian Zimbelman, is!brian@bbx.basis.com) publishes the user-configurable Motif-based Xamine editor. Qualix offers a product. Information: info@qualix.com or 800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200). Typex is a Motif-based editor available for several systems. Information: Amcad Research, 408-867-5705, fax -6209. WordPerfect offers an X-based version of WordPerfect 5.1 for several workstations. Information: 801-222-5300 or 800-451-5151. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 78) Where can I get an X-based mailer? xmh, an X interface to mh, is distributed with the X11 release. Xmail is an X-based window interface to Berkeley-style mail handlers; it is styled primarily after the Sunview mailtool application and builds on most Unix systems. The current release [1/92] is 1.4, available in the MIT X11R5 contrib tape and from export and uunet. Info: Jeff Markham, markham@cadence.com. MMH (My Mail Handler), a motif interface to the MH mail handler, is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) in pub/bill.tar.Z; it is bundled with the TED editor, which it uses for composing messages. Motif 1.1 is required; if you don't have it, look for DEC and SPARC executables in the same place. Information and problems to: Erik Scott, escott@eos.ncsu.edu. [1/92] The Andrew Toolkit supports the Andrew Message System; it is available from export and many other X archives and from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62), or send email to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu. Release 5.1 became available 2 June 92. You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this software; try ""finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu"" for help. XMailTool is an Xaw-based interface to a BSD-style mail reader; version 2.0 was released 9/92. Information: Bob Kierski, bobo@cray.com or 612-683-5874. Cem is a Motif-based mailer using standard mailbox formats; it is on nelson.tx.ncsu.edu in pub/Cem. Information: Sam Moore (Sam_Moore@ncsu.edu). Also: Alfalfa Software offers Poste, a UNIX-based mailer that has Motif- and command-based interfaces. It includes support for multimedia enclosures, and supports both the Internet and X.400 mail standards. Information: info@alfalfa.com, +1 617-497-2922. Z-Code Software offers Z-Mail for most Unix systems; binaries support both tty and Motif interfaces. The mailer includes a csh-like scripting language for customizing and extending mail capabilities. Information: info@z-code.com, +1 415 499-8649. Several vendors' systems include X-based mailers. DEC offers dxmail; Sun offers an X-based mailtool; SCO (info@sco.com) includes SCOmail in its Open Desktop product. Several integrated office-productivity tools include mailers: The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, MA: 508-870-0300) include a mailer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program? xpic is an object-oriented drawing program. It supports multiple font styles and sizes and variable line widths; there are no rotations or zooms. xpic is quite suitable as an interactive front-end to pic, though the xpic-format produced can be converted into PostScript. (The latest version is on the R4 contrib tape in clients/xpic.) xfig (by Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)) is an object-oriented drawing program supporting compound objects. The xfig format can be converted to PostScript or other formats. Recent versions are on the R5 contrib tape or on export in /contrib/R5fixes (version 2.1.6 [11/92]). idraw supports numerous fonts and various line styles and arbitrary rotations. It supports zoom and scroll and color draws and fills. The file format is a PostScript dialect. It can import TIFF files. Distributed as a part of the InterViews C++ toolkit (current release 3.1, from interviews.stanford.edu) . A version of Robert Forsman's (thoth@lightning.cis.ufl.edu) xscribble, an 8-bit paint program for X, is now on ftp.cis.ufl.edu in pub/thoth/. [2/93] xpaint is available from ftp.ee.lbl.gov as xpaint.tar.Z. A rewrite, Xpaint 2.0, by David Koblas (koblas@netcom.com) was released 2/93 as xpaint2pl3.tar.Z. xpaint is a bitmap/pixmap editing tool. A new OpenWindows PostScript-based graphical editor named 'ice' is now [2/91] available for anonymous ftp from Internet host lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (129.236.10.30). ice (Image Composition Environment) is an imaging tool that allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript rasterizing. (It may require OpenWindows and Sun C++ 2.0.) tgif by William Cheng (william@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) is available from most uucp sites and also from export and from cs.ucla.edu. It is frequently updated; version 2.12-patch18 was released 3/93. The ""pixmap"" program (info: colas@sa.inria.fr) for creating pixmaps is on the R5 contrib tape; it resembles the bitmap client. Version 2.1 is now available. [11/92] Although MetaCard is not generally classified as a paint program, a full 24-bit color image editor is built into the program, which can be used for light image editing and for producing color icons (info@metacard.com). MetaCard is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or 128.138.213.21. pixt by J. Michael Flanery produces XPM output. Also: dxpaint is a bitmap-oriented drawing program most like MacPaint; it's good for use by artists but commonly held to be bad for drawing figures or drafting. dxpaint is part of DEC's Ultrix release. FrameMaker has some draw capabilities. [4/90] BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a full-featured draw and paint program with object grouping and multiple patterns; multiple X platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com). [11/90] Dux Ta-Dah!, 1-800-543-4999 IslandGraphics offers IslandDraw, IslandPaint, IslandPresent. Info: 415-491-1000. Corel Draw, 613-728-8200; ported to X by Prior Data Sciences 800-267-2626 Arts&Letters Composer, 214-661-8960 Ficor AutoGraph, 513-771-4466 OpenWindows includes the olpixmap editor. SCO ODT includes the SCOpaint editor. HP VUE includes the vueicon editor. Several integrated office-productivity tools include draw/paint capabilities: The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, MA: 508-870-0300) include draw/paint capabilities. [thanks in part to Stephen J. Byers (af997@cobcs1.cummins.com) and to J. Daniel Smith (dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net " 1181,14,"From: dragon@access.digex.com (Covert C Beach) Subject: Re: Mars Observer Update - 03/29/93 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: Mars Observer, JPL In article <1pcgaa$do1@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >Now isn't that always the kicker. It does seem stupid to drop >a mission like Magellan, because there isn't 70 million a year >to keep up the mission. You'd think that ongoing science could >justify the money. JPL gets accused of spending more then neccessary, >probably some validity in that, but NASA does put money into some >things that really are Porcine. Oh well. I attended a colloquium at Goddard last fall where the head of the operations section of NASA was talking about what future missions were going to be funded. I don't remember his name or title off hand and I have discarded the colloquia announcement. In any case, he was asked about that very matter: ""Why can't we spend a few million more to keep instruments that we already have in place going?"" His responce was that there are only so many $ available to him and the lead time on an instrument like a COBE, Magellan, Hubble, etc is 5-10 years minumum. If he spent all that could be spent on using current instruments in the current budget enviroment he would have very little to nothing for future projects. If he did that, sure in the short run the science would be wonderful and he would be popular, however starting a few years after he had retired he would become one of the greatest villans ever seen in the space community for not funding the early stages of the next generation of instruments. Just as he had benefited from his predicessor's funding choices, he owed it to whoever his sucessor would eventually be to keep developing new missions, even at the expense of cutting off some instruments before the last drop of possible science has been wrung out of them. -- Covert C Beach dragon@access.digex.com " 1182,11,"From: karl@genesis.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > > > >In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device > >to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets > >must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) > > > > Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? > > I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the > modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work > just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice. > >Absolutely. I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has >ever been given approval. Guerrilla underground devices should be well >possible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis >modems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers) > >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? Reasonably fancy. Standard ""voice"" circuits run at 56kbps inter-exchange in the US. Therefore, you need to achieve 4:1 to get standard voice quality. If you're willing to give up some quality, you need only 2:1. This is still acceptable from a speech standpoint; it will be a little less faithful to the original, but certainly intelligable. That's all you really need for this application. -- Karl Denninger (karl@genesis.MCS.COM) | You can never please everyone except Data Line: [+1 312 248-0900] | by bankrupting yourself. LIVE Internet in Chicago; an MCSNET first! " 1183,1,"From: raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Raymaker) Subject: graphics driver standards Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu Keywords: graphics,standards I have a researcher who collecting electical impulses from the human heart through a complex Analog to Digital system he has designed and inputting this information into his EISA bus HP Vectra Computer running DOS and the Phar Lap DOS extender. He want to purchase a very high-performance video card for 3-D modeling. He is aware of a company called Matrox but he is concerned about getting married to a company and their video routine library. He would hope some more flexibility: to choose between several card manufacturers with a standard video driver. He would like to write more generic code- code that could be easily moved to other cards or computer operating systems in the future. Is there any hope? Any information would be greatly appreciated- Please, if possible, respond directly to internet mail to raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu Thanks " 1184,6,"From: bigelos@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Space Gigolo) Subject: Laser Printer Forsale: Repost Article-I.D.: flop.1po9ovINNqe4 Distribution: usa Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hobo.ece.orst.edu The following is posted for a friend. You can send replies to this email address or call him at 503-752-1499. (Glen) I have a CITIZEN OVERTURE 110 Laser printer for sale. It is in excellent condition. It has been used less than one year on this drum. I am asking $500, but all offers will be considered. Below are some specs on it. Toner lifespan: 2500 pages Drum lifespan: 15,000 pages Resolution: 300 DPI Memory: 512K Emulation: Epson FX286 IBM ProPrinter Diablo 635 Printing Capacity: Quad-density graphics Tray capacity: 250 sheets Reason for sale: Financial--I need to pay tuition. Thanks, -Glen Anderson bigelos@hobo.ece.orst.edu " 1185,6,"From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Subject: GRE software, cheap ! Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 11 GRE software for MS-DOS, from StudyWare. original disk, manual. Tutorial stuff,tests, examples and a lot more. Retail price is around $50. Best offer around $15.00, will pay shipping For best results, you need a graphic display card, EGA or VGA Jianqing Hu thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu " 1186,8,"From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Passenger helmet sizing Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >> >> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for >>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church >>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just >>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I >>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely >>passenger? > >If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a >crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your >primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big >spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a >small one). While shopping for a passenger helmet, I noticed that in many cases the external dimensions of the helmets were the same from S through XL. The difference was the amount of inside padding. My solution was to buy a large helmet, and construct a removable liner from a sheet of .5"" closed-cell foam and some satin (glued to the inside surface). The result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest-headed pillion with the liner in, and a comfortable fit on my largest-headed pillion with the liner out. Everyone else gets linered or not by best fit. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu " 1187,12,"From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) Subject: Re: Scope questions Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 31 > If my life depended on it, I'd say that it's a scope that > uses long-persistance phosphor to keep the successive > taces on the screen for some unit of time - ""store"" them. > Do I get to live? We'll let you live, but just this once.... There's more to a real ""storage"" scope than just a long-persistence phosphor. Actually, the phosphor ISN'T usually anything special at all; what makes a storage tube work is a screen placed just *behind* the phosphor, which becomes charged as the electron beam intially ""writes"" the trace. With the trace now written to the screen, a separate low-level ""flood"" electron gun keeps the image lit by exciting those areas of phosphor which are next to the ""written"" areas on the storage screen. There are some problems with this - the resolution is limited compared to a non-storage tube, and the stored trace tends to ""bloom"" with time. Of course, this is pretty much obsolete technology, done in by the current digital scopes which use raster-scan displays and keep everything in a frame-buffer memory anyways. > / Filip ""I'll buy a vowel"" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail ""fmgst+@pitt.edu"" \ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ah, yes - from the same people who brought you that amazing new reading program that's sweeping Eastern Europe: ""Hooked on Consonants!"" :-) Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet. " 1188,11,"From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Organization: Wimsey Information Services Lines: 42 In article <1qs6cg$7cq@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes: >A few more sources are statistics on your filesystems (easily >and quickly obtained) and the output from the ""rusage"" system >call. > >You can also exec a finger to one or more favorite heavily-used >systems, though this can take several seconds. > >cf. the source code to RIPEM on ripem.msu.edu. > >Mark R. Other alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends with various flags, or even better crash. e.g. on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively unpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script usually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.) #!/bin/sh crash < hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes: >adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: >>In article <1pctnfINN6dp@eve.usc.edu>, yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes: >>> MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45 >>> (opened, unregistered) > >>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to? >>How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will? >>Any other nice/nasty features? > >According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any >utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it. > >For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer >much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able >to create, however. :-) i installed dos 6 last week, and had nothing but trouble afterwards. windows apps are hitting protection faults more than a kid can do to a pinata, and it does not seem to like to work with NDOS (norton dos 7.0). other probs include: set pcplus=d:\pcplus for procomm plus no longer works. many of the little utilities to written for dos no longer works either. (mostly shareware) i now have uninstalled dos 6 , and dos 5 works just fine. are there any apps that dos 6 will be able to run that dos 5 wont? -- ********************************************************************** C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook E_ngineer ********************************************************************** " 1190,16,"From: se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot) Subject: reference needed.... Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 Does anybody have any solid data on how many legally owned versus illegally owned firearms are used in crime. I know the number of legally owned guns used in crime is small, but I would like a number, and a reference if possible. Data should be e-mailed to me. Open discussion should be directed to talk.politics.guns -Seth __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry Seth Eliot Dept of Material Science and Engineering Carnegie Mellon Univerity, Pittsburgh, PA ARPA :eliot+@cmu.edu |------------------------------------------ or se08+@andrew.cmu.edu | Bitnet: se08%andrew@cmccvb | ------------------------------| " 1191,14,"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Biosphere II Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Lines: 10 In <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Pat writes: >The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see >either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for >not releasing data. We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private) " 1192,11,"From: bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Organization: Oce Graphics USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 41 Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: : : All I have to say is...yeah, right. If you're willing to pay them : mucho big bucks and/or use the routines *they* tell you to do. : Doesn't sound very reasonable to me. All I have to say is this is full of shit. I have negotiated a license and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a sliding scale depending on your capitalization. If you are a startup and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place. Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which they know nothing. : : But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks. Maybe : they have some other agenda? Secure communications only for : government agents, perhaps? Have you considered treatment for paranoia? The government is the single biggest thorn in RSA's side. : : Some limitation. Let me guess: don't use the code in any way PKP or : RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the : average citizen. That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it. There is nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling it. : : I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to : be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I : am right. :( It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography and immaturity I wonder. Bob Cain (normally rcain@netcom.com) " 1193,4,"From: abea@az.stratus.com (Art Beattie) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: Stratus Computers, Inc. Lines: 63 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cababi.az.stratus.com In article (Katinka van der Linden) writes: } I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte } 8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950. } We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling, } inits, I don't know what all. All the ""industry experts"" we } phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software } dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last } thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator } (???). Anybody know more? Thanks, In article <1993Apr19.131311.25871@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) wrote: > > In article , johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes: > |> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: > |> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your > |> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my > |> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge > |> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of > |> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; > |> >in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh > |> >Software"" loop (whatever that means). > |> > |> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get > |> rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough > |> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing > |> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys > |> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers > |> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't > |> format/mount/partition for A/UX. > > All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my > Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed > the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the > Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected > a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes > saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" > even though there was no cartridge in the drive. > > --Mark I have been using the PLI (SONY) 3.5"" MO drive and now a Sharp color scanner using standard SCSI cables and STANDARD $20 terminator on my Q700. No problems. If you were using a IIfx, that might be another story. Make sure there is only one terminator in the cabling and it must be at the end. Some boxes have internal terminators; some can be switched out and others are socketted. These count. If the box with internal terminations cannot be put on the end to terminate the cabling, they have to be disabled, ie, switched out or pulled out of their sockets. If you have 2 boxes with internal terminations, the terminations in one box has to be disabled...., etc. I am sure that this has been covered by the ""experts"". My experience with SCSI boxes that connect to the Mac indicates that they must have some software package for the Mac to 'talk' to them. My PLI MO drive and Sharp scanner has one for each. Good luck. Art Beattie ============================================================== I only speak for myself. ============================================================== " 1194,6,"From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) Subject: 1985.5 Porsche 944 Keywords: porsche 944 Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: delaware Reply-To: pat@wrs.com Organization: Wind River Systems Distribution: usa 1985.5 Porsche 944 - Turbo trim (spoilers) - graphite black - all around excellent condition - removable factory sunroof - leather interior - new A/C - new timing belt - bra - 90k miles $9900 OBO - Patrick -- Patrick Boylan, - Wind River Systems, Alameda, CA - pat@wrs.com " 1195,13,"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 28 Reply-To: Jason C. Austin NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: rsilver@world.std.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 15:02:18 GMT In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: -> -> Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks -> associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens -> are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function -> of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of -> the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish -> to know more. Thanks. I've read mixed opinions on this. Singed meat can contain carcinogens, but unless you eat barbecued meat every meal, you're probably not at much risk. I think I will live life on the edge and grill my food. I've also read that using petroleum based charcoal starter can put some unwanted toxins in your food, or at least unwanted odor. I've been using egg carton cups dipped in paraffin for fire starters, and it actually lights faster and easier than lighter fluid. Several people have told me that they have excellent results with a chimney, basically a steel cylinder with wholes punched in the side. I've been meaning to get one of these, but one hasn't presented itself while I've been out shopping. You can make one from a coffee can, but I buy my coffee as whole beans in a bag, so I haven't had a big enough can laying around. -- Jason C. Austin j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov " 1196,1,"From: young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (YOUNG Shio Hong) Subject: Looking for Dr. Bala R. Vatti's email address Nntp-Posting-Host: rabbit-gw Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan. Distribution: comp.graphics X-Bytes: 660 Lines: 27 Hi! I am looking for the email address of the author to ""A Generic Solution to Polygon Clipping"", Communication of the ACM, July 1992, Vol. 35, No. 7. I got information about the author as follows Mr. Bala R. Vatti LCEC, 65 River Road, Hudson, N.H. 03051 email: vatti@waynar.lcec.lockheed I want to get some related and detailed papers about the same topic from the author. But I failed to send my email to the address. Any information is appreciated. Thank you very much. Best regards. S. H. Young Kunii Lab Dept. of Information Science Faculty of Science University of Tokyo Bunkyo-Ku, Hongo 7-3-1 113 Tokyo, Japan email: young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp " 1197,8,"From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000? Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 27 In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: >Hi. > I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US). I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape. >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase? Is it a >good bike? This will be my first bike. (I realize that, for a beginner, >1000cc is considered too be a bit too much bike. I have heard from friends >that were once beginners that if they had to start all over again that they >would have started with a bigger bike. One just has to be careful and not >drive outside their skill level.) > I had considered (and posted about two weeks ago) the purchase of 1982 >600cc Yamaha Seca Turbo with 33000 km, but I am a little wary now about the >prospect of having to deal with a turbo (both on the road and in the shop). I >may still consider this bike (the price dropped from $1300 to $1100 CDN), but >the Honda seems to be a good bike. > > Comments? > One word ""HEAVY"". It steers heavy, turns require alot of effort. Hard to get access to the large V-4 motor. Weak/small front forks with anti-dive gizmos! AT " 1198,14,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: A WRENCH in the works? Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <25228@ksr.com>, jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes: >nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes: >>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: >>>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the >>>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of >>>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. >>I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred >>to the tool as ""...the PLIERS that took a ride into space..."". They also >>said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind >>during assembly of one SRB. It was a test of the first reusable tool. > >I assume, then, that someone at Thiokol put on their ""manager's hat"" and said >that pissing off the customer by delaying shipment of the SRB to look inside >it was a bad idea, regardless of where that tool might have ended up. > >Why do I get the feeling that Thiokol ""manager's hats"" are shaped like cones? Pointy so they can find them or so they will stick into their pants better, and be closer to their brains? -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 1199,3,"From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory) Subject: AVI file format? Summary: AVI file format? Keywords: AVI file format? Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au Hi, would someone please email (and post) the AVI (Microsoft) file format. I wish to do some research using this format, as there are disks available with video clips. It is interesting because it interleaves sound and video. Thank you Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. -- Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. " 1200,14,"From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) Subject: Big amateur rockets Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc. Lines: 23 I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention. It was from a company name ""Personal Missle, Inc."" or something like that. Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length and engines of sizes ""F"" to ""M"". They also said that some rockets will reach 50,000 feet. Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down. And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy. -Paul ""mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite"" Dokas -- #include #define FULL_NAME ""Paul Dokas"" #define EMAIL ""pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com"" /* Just remember, you *WILL* die someday. */ " 1201,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 76 In article <1qnpjuINN8ci@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: > >>Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one. They are >>pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they >>get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market. >>It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have >>registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for >>most phone companies. > >If Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the >encryption algorithm is being kept secret. This will prevent competitors >from coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government- >installed ""back door."" The strategy Brad describes will only work as long >as the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government >chips. > >(It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad >turns out to be right. As long as people still have the power to provide >their own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy >is still possible. But the wording of several passages in the announcement >makes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.) Even if what Brad says turns out to be accurate, you can bet that the Administration will have made it ""very clear"" to the vendors that ""it would very much be in their best interests"" to institute a ""voluntary"" policy of refusing to sell anything but Clinton Cripple equipped equipment to anyone other than ""Authorized government agencies and Law Enforcement"", or individuals and corporations who ""have been been determined by the Administration to have a valid need on a case-by-case basis"" for an effective system. Note that this is very much like the language used in many gun control bills/laws the Administration is pushing for, or otherwise supporting. The logic and actual rationale (as opposed to the excuses that get fed to the media) is the same in both cases, only the items or technology in question are different. I think this is no accident. It comes from the same philosophy that the government rules/controls the people, not the people controlling the government, that the unconnected citizens are not sophisticated enough to know what is best for them, so the government must tell the people what they need or do not need ... ""we know best..."". And the idea that that a commoner can defend himself against government eavesdropping or unlawful attack is totally unacceptable to people with this outlook. > >Hal Finney Combine this all with pushing for national identity cards with 'smart chips' to encode anything they please (internal passport) under the guise of streamlining the State People's Health Care System, and with (you can be certain) more jewels yet to come, and one sees an extremely ominous trend. So what if ""1984"" will be ten years late... it still is turning out to be an amazingly accurate prophecy... unless a LOT of people wake up, and in a hurry. One should ALWAYS have every red warning light and bell and danger flag come up when the government seeks to set itself apart in regard to rights, etc. from the unconnected/unprivileged citizen (or should we now be saying 'subject' instead?)... Why SHOULDN'T the average person have a good, secure system of data security, not dependent on nebulous 'safeguards' for maintaining that security? Why SHOULDN'T the average person be able to defend himself from an agency gone rogue? 0I am sure the Feds could break into any data they really wanted to (but it would take some WORK), and using the same logic, one should not be allowed to have a good safe, unless a duplicate of the key(s) or combination are submitted for 'safekeeping' by the government? I don't really see a difference, philosophically. Encrypted data sure won't evaporate, not with such high-tech tools as a TAPE RECORDER... -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 1202,4,"From: SHAGBERG@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu Subject: converting keyboard for mac plus Organization: Illinois State University Lines: 35 I have an old Mac Plus. A couple of years ago I bought a shiney new lc. It came with apple's new keyboard (with abd ports). i replaced it with a mac-pro-plus extended keyboard (which i thoroughly enjoy, thank you very much). well, i have this extra keyboard which i would like to use on the plus but there's a little problem. the plus uses an rj-11 jack for keyboard input and the new keyboards don't. i got an extra adb cable from my local apple dealer (they're such nice people), but they couldn't tell me the order of the wires. there are four wires in the adb cables: black, white, red, tan. I know one's a ground, one gets the serial signal, one supplies 5 volts, and i forgot what the fourth one does. anyway, if you hook them up wrong you'll fry a board and i don't want to do . if any brave souls out there have done this before, please e-mail your experience directly to me. i would greatly appreciate it especially since apple's original keyboard is not . . . ergonomically correct. btw, i did take apart my new keyboard to see if i could find the correlation between the wires for the rj-11 jack and the adb since it has both, but no such luck (the connections are soldered inside of little boxes). Oh, well . . . ***************************************************************** * Tis the blink of an eye, tis the draught of a breath, * * From the blossoms of health, to the paleness of death, * * From the gilded saloon, to the briar in the shroud, * * O, why should the spirit of mortal be proud? * * -William Knox * ***************************************************************** * shagberg@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu * ***************************************************************** " 1203,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Thomas Parsli writes: >I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas >in 1991 that was caused by guns..... >This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! >(Yes, there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the >figures but they're still *pretty* high right??) >I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... In Texas, you cannot carry a handgun. Period. Either concealed or open. And your numbers are misleading; they include suicides and accidents. The real number from the Department of Public Safety: Murders, Non-neg hom Car fatalities 1991 2651 3079 1992 2240 3057 Texas only has ""liberal"" gun laws as far as purchasing a firearm; aside from that, it's probably more restrictive than most states as far as carry goes. >One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could >only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... The state was Virginia, and the law passed. >I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on >other people. That right only inflicts on those who threaten my rights to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, etc., in the first place. I am not a criminal, and I don't indiscriminately fire my weapons at random. So please explain how I am ""inflicting"" anything on other people. > This is not a .signature. > It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith > and to bring down the evil Internet. > Thomas Parsli > thomasp@ifi.uio.no aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 1204,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 65 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on >the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to >the hermeneia commentary on Acts). ... In article , ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) writes: > Even if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was > valid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as > truth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've > mentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally > that no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in > the Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the > absence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken, > then I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect. > John, The problem here is that you have taken one peice of my response, without bothering to connect it with the other parts. I have repeatedly noted that one needs to take the problematic historcity of acts and then examine the work of John Dominic Crossan and Burton Mack. Once you have taken the time to examine recent developments in biblical scholarship, I think you will grasp more clearly what I am saying. > [I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than > this. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't > be lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs. > Thus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered > for believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether > those who witnessed it did. > > I do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there > can be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism. > > --clh] Certainly this is an issue as I think the situation in Waco shows most clearly. If all that is required is that people are willing to die for a belief for it to be true, then surely David Koresh is the son of God. No, the spurrious arguement that the resurrection had to be true for people to be willing to die must be put to rest. The other problem is that it is so monologocentric. Even if the resurrection was a big deal (which it doesn't seem to have been for either Q, Thomas, or even John to a certain degree) there are a lot of other things which the Early Christians could have been doing together that would have been worth dying for. It is my belief that even the idea of a mixed race community, which brought down regional/national boundaries in the name of koinonia could have been enough for people to be willing to die. Radical communties do that (e.g. Jonestown, Waco, Warsaw, etc) But my original point was that roman persecution (which is the only persecution we have documented proof of) was not about whether a carpenter came back from the dead. Such a claim was not unique nor particularly abhorent to the roman or greek mind. My point is that avoidance of military and civic duty (i.e. emperor worship) would have been much more problematic -- which has nothing to do with the resurrection at all. When nero used christians as human torches to light up his dinner party it wasn't because the believe in a risen savior, it was because they were supposedly involved in incest and cannablism. The argument that christians were martyred for the resurrection just cannot stand up to critical examination. randy " 1205,0,"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 14 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Find an encyclopedia. Volume H. Now look up Hitler, Adolf. He had many more people than just Germans enamoured with him. P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza " 1206,9,"From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Robert C Hite (philly@bach.udel.edu) wrote: : I think most of the problems mainly arose from Manager Gene Mauch's : ineptitude in managing the pitching staff. Down the stretch, he : abused Jim Bunning, Chris Short, and Robin Roberts (I think those : are the three) pitching each on only 2 days rest for quite some : time. By the time they hit the last 2 weeks of the season, : obviously none of these guys had an ounce left in their arm. Oh : well. Roberts was long gone -- he was probably an Oriole in 1964. Or maybe a Colt .45. The 3rd starter was Art Mahaffey, the previous year's ace. Dennis Bennett was the 4th starter. They were indeed 6.5 up with 12 to go, but they won their final two games after the horrid 10-loss streak. The final game victory (Bunning's 19th win, if memory serves) kept the Reds from tying for the title; they and the Phils were both 1 game behind the Cards, with the Giants(?) another game back. The Mets couldn't hold an early lead against the Cards that final Sunday, or there would have been a 3-way tie. Too bad they couldn't have saved some of the 15 or so runs they scored on Saturday when they crushed St. Louis. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen " 1207,10,"From: shah@pitt.edu (Ravindra S Shah) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Joseph B Stiehm (joe13+@pitt.edu) wrote: : I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show : the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in : on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned : back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more : experienced. : Joseph Stiehm Exactly. That is my biggest complaint about the coverage so far. Follow that damn puck! -- Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu ""La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: ""Music will bring ideas y siempre continuara' and will continue forever sonido electro'nico electronic sound decibel sinte'tico"" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel"" -Kraftwerk " 1208,8,"From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.200429.21424 Organization: Western Washington University The 250 ninja and XL 250 got ridden all winter long. I always wave. I Lines: 13 am amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly baby ninja. Let's keep up the good attitudes. Brock Yates said in this months Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather we all rode busses). We bikers should be too. It's a freedom that we all wanna know and it's an obsession to some to keep the world in your rearview mirror while you try to run down the sun ""Wheels"" by Rhestless Heart Marty O. 87 250 ninja 73 XL 250 Motosport " 1209,17,"From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 19 dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: > He-he. The great humanist speaks. One has to read Mr. Salah's posters, > in which he decribes Jews as ""sons of pigs and monkeys"", keeps > promising the ""final battle"" between Muslims and Jews (in which the > stons and the trees will ""cry for the Muslims to come and kill the > Jews hiding behind them""), makes jokes about Jews dying from heart > attacks etc, to realize his objective stance on the matters involved. > > -Danny Keren. ---------- Don't worry, Danny, every blatantly violent and abusive posting made by Hamzah is immediately forwarded to the operator of the system in which he has an account. I'd imagine they have quite a file started on this fruitcake--and have already indicated that they have rules governing racist and threatening use of their resources. I'd imagine he'll be out of our hair in a short while. Todd " 1210,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: Galileo, JPL INteresting question about Galileo. Galileo's HGA is stuck. The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby. If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would cook the foci elements. question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? After all, it would normally be aimed at earth anyway? or would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing and seek might have caused an HGA sun point? pat " 1211,5,"From: aafc6@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nightline) Subject: Editres under Pie(TVT)wm Keywords: editres twm failure Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton Lines: 14 Hi, looking for any advice or suggestions about a problem I'm having with MIT X11R5's editres, in particular under twm variants. For a start, 9 times out of 10 (but NOT always) editres won't grab a widget tree when running on our NCD (Decwindows) Xterms, which I'm told will be fixed when the R5 (not R4) XDm is installed. OK, so I tried running it on a Sun, running real R5, on the same network - I get a widget tree, but it's ALWAYS for 'TWM Icon Manager' Anybody know of any patches for (a) twm or (b) editres that I should look at? Thanks, K " 1212,1,"From: rued@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Rued J|rgensen) Subject: Re: .SCF files, help needed Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark Lines: 15 tlc@cx5.com writes: >Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display >these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf >files. RIX's files with the extension .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with a 256 color palette. The first 10 bytes is a kind of header, with the name RIX among 7bytes unknown stuff. The you have 768 bytes of palette info (3*256 for the colors RGB) and then you have the picture in raw format. If you dont know how to make a viewer of of this description you can get VPIC it is able to read the files! regards Thomas " 1213,6,"From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle) Subject: ChemLab EyeoftheBeholder2 ClueBook EthernetTransceiver NintendoControl Summary: Miscellaneous Items For Sale Keywords: Chemistry IBM PC Games Clue Book Ethernet Transceiver Nintendo Reply-To: battle@cs.utk.edu Distribution: us Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1b.cs.utk.edu I have the following items for sale. The highest bid for each to arrive in my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item. 1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581 Safe for Ages 10 and Up Used little 25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp, Test Tube, Litmus Paper Manual with ""Over 1100 Experiments"" $4 shipping will be added to your bid 2] Eye of the Beholder II Fun game for the IBM PC In original box, with original media and Manual $3 shipping will be added to your bid 3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II Solve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot $1 shipping will be added to your bid Free shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2]. 4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial)) Works fine Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc. Built-in T Includes one 50 Ohm terminator $2 shipping will be added to your bid 5] Super Nintendo Super Controller Auto Repeated Fire Hands-Free Continuous Fire Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing) Add to a one-controller console to allow two players $2 shipping will be added to your bid Be sure to include a *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids. Be sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids. Send bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle). You will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993. Items will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning. A money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed to receive the item. Please keep this fact in mind when bidding. -David battle@cs.utk.edu " 1214,12,"From: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk (Tim Channon) Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet? Reply-To: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk Distribution: world X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $ Organization: null Lines: 53 Here is a different viewpoint. > FYI: The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP > deskjet is 1/600th inch. The electronics and dynamics of the ink > cartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch. > On almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1/300th inch anyway. > > The method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer > results in much less spread than ink drop technology. In practice there is little difference in quality but more care is needed with inkjet because smudges etc. can happen. > It doesn't take much investigation to see that the mechanical and > electronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than > inexpensive ink jet printers. Recall also that laser printers > offer a much higher throughput: 10 ppm for a laser versus about 1 > ppm for an ink jet printer. A cheap laser printer does not manage that sort of throughput and on top of that how long does the _first_ sheet take to print? Inkjets are faster than you say and in both cases the computer often has trouble keeping up with the printer. (I have a 486/33 and a lot of drivers cannot keep up with the printer) A sage said to me: ""Do you want one copy or lots of copies?"", ""One"", ""Inkjet"". > Something else to think about is the cost of consumables over the > life of the printer. A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about > $US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield) > cartridges are about $US 22 at discount. It could be that over the > life cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are > less than ink jet printers. It is getting progressively closer > between the two technologies. Laser printers are usually desinged > for higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product > replacement cycles. Paper cost is the same and both can use refills. Long term the laserprinter will need some expensive replacement parts (consumables) and on top of that are the amortisation costs which favour the lowest purchase cost printer. HP inkjets understand PCL so in many cases a laserjet driver will work if the software package has no inkjet driver. There is one wild difference between the two printers: a laserprinter is a page printer whilst an inkjet is a line printer. This means that a laserprinter can rotate graphic images whilst an inkjet cannot. Few drivers actually use this facility. (there is also the matter of downloadable fonts and so on) TC. E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk " 1215,6,"From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver) Subject: Summer Sublet Wanted in DC Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu Wanted: Summer sublet in NW DC, on red Metro line. Have own bedroom, but can share common areas with others. Apartment or room for $400 or less. Move in Memorial Day weekend through end of August. No smokers. Email PRINAOA @ YALEVM or RFP@JHUVM " 1216,10,"From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) Subject: BUFFALO 4, Boston 0: Defense!! Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 26 Originator: delarocq@c00082-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu Tonight in Boston, the Buffalo Sabres blanked the Boston Bruins 4-0 tonight in Boston. Looks like Boston can hang this season up, because Buffalo's home record is awesome!!!! This is great.. Buffalo fans might get to see revenge for last year!!!!! :) -- delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions 1991,1992, AND 1993 AFC Conference Champions!!!!!!!! :) Squished the Fish ............... Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992.. SQUISHED THE TRASH TALKING FISH.. AFC CHAMPIONSHIP, JANUARY 17, 1992.. If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc. If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news out of Green Bay... " 1217,2,"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu Organization: UNLV > Can anyone tell me how Chicago/Windows 4 would differ from >OS/2 2.x? Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war, >here. I'm simply curious if there is going to be any feature >advantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that >it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...) One difference will _probably_ be the same difference as between OS2 and Windows 3.x now--one will likely have a lot of software available for it and one won't (emulation, with the inevitable incompatibilities that crop up in spite of all the contrary claims, just doesn't count when you _have_ to use a certain software package that doesn't quite run properly under the emulation...). Developers want to channel their resources toward a platform that has a large installed base, and in a case like that the platform that is most successfully _marketed_ (regardless of its relative sophistication) will win. Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu " 1218,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Playoff Hockey Pool: Game 1 standings Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Lines: 224 Here are the standings after game 1 of each of the divisional semi-finals. (Hey, look who's #4!) I'll try to post the standings after ""each game"" (i.e. every two days). I managed to recover the email lost up to Saturday night, so all I'm missing is mail that arrived between early Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon. Many people re-sent their teams, so you may have received two replies back from me. If your team name is not on this list, please resend your team to me and I'll see what I can do. Any kind of ""proof"" you sent it on the weekend will help your case. :-) Seriously, this is only a fun pool and I trust each person to be honest. Again, sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope the pool is still fun for you. - Andrew USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn 1. Sneddon Scorers 43 25 (--) 2. The Borg 42 25 (--) Dave Wessels 42 25 (--) 4. Bruce's Rented Mules 41 25 (--) Great Expectations 41 25 (--) Hurricane Andrew 41 25 (--) Jerky Boys 41 24 (--) Homesick Hawaiian 41 25 (--) 9. give you money monday 40 25 (--) Einstien's Punk Band 40 25 (--) 11. Zipper Heads 39 25 (--) Tapio Repo 39 25 (--) Detroit Homeboy 39 25 (--) the dead ducks 39 25 (--) Mike Burger 39 25 (--) Test Department 39 25 (--) Team Elvis 39 25 (--) Craig team 39 25 (--) 19. Skate or Die 38 25 (--) Debbie Bowles 38 25 (--) Fuzzfaces Galore 38 25 (--) suds 38 25 (--) The Campi Machine 38 25 (--) zachmans wingers 38 25 (--) Sean Forbes 38 25 (--) Threepeat 38 25 (--) Flamming Senators 38 25 (--) Team Awesome 38 25 (--) A.P. BURY 38 25 (--) PURDUE RICKS PENS 38 25 (--) GB Flyers 38 25 (--) Seppo Kemppainen 38 25 (--) 33. Paige Faults 37 25 (--) weenies 37 25 (--) chris roney 37 25 (--) Rednecks from Hockey Hell 37 25 (--) Dog's Hog's 37 25 (--) Mind Sweepers 37 25 (--) Teem Kanada 37 25 (--) Northern Lights 37 25 (--) Fugazi 37 25 (--) Delaware Destroyers 37 25 (--) Mopar Muscle Men 37 25 (--) Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 37 25 (--) garryola 37 25 (--) Oakville Brothers 37 25 (--) Sam & His Dogs 37 25 (--) Cluster Buster 37 24 (--) Jan Stein 37 25 (--) frank's little wankers 37 25 (--) Milton Keynes Kings 37 25 (--) The promise land 37 25 (--) Rangers Of Destiny 37 25 (--) 54. New Zealand Leafs 36 25 (--) Loaded Weapons 36 25 (--) Bloom County All-Stars 36 25 (--) Robarts Research Rebels 36 25 (--) Tiger Chung Lees 36 25 (--) goddess of fermentation 36 25 (--) make beliefs 36 25 (--) Rob Del Mundo 36 25 (--) Heikki Salmi 36 25 (--) The Underwriters 36 25 (--) Muller n Walker 36 25 (--) Controversy Warriors 36 25 (--) Bjorkloven 36 25 (--) Norway Killerwhales 36 25 (--) Holsteins SFB 36 25 (--) buffalo soldiers 36 25 (--) Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 36 25 (--) FRACK ATTACK 36 25 (--) Houdini's Magicians 36 25 (--) The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 36 24 (--) Rangers Blow 36 25 (--) 75. Dave Hiebert 35 25 (--) Yan Loke 35 25 (--) Canadian Gladiators 35 25 (--) littlest giants 35 25 (--) Alf's All-Stars 35 25 (--) The Ice Kickers 35 25 (--) Beer Makes Me An Expert 35 25 (--) Force 25 35 25 (--) Mr Creosote 35 25 (--) The Goobmeister 35 25 (--) The Mulberry Maulers 35 25 (--) Rev's Rebels 35 25 (--) BOSSE 35 25 (--) Zippety Doodah 35 25 (--) Kramer George and Jerry 35 25 (--) DehraDun Maawalis 35 25 (--) Sludge 35 25 (--) j's rock'em sock'ems 35 25 (--) brians bloodletters 35 25 (--) Grant Marven 35 25 (--) Arctic Circles 35 25 (--) all the kane's men 35 25 (--) trevor's triumph 35 25 (--) Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 35 25 (--) Goaldingers 35 25 (--) Bjoern Leaguen 35 25 (--) Habs Playing Golf 35 25 (--) 102. Shigella 34 25 (--) New Jersey Rob 34 25 (--) Steves Superstars 34 25 (--) Big Bay Bombers 34 25 (--) Doug Bowles 34 25 (--) Neural Netters 34 25 (--) LIPPE 34 25 (--) Lets Go Pandas 34 25 (--) Les Raisins 34 25 (--) Daves knee jerk picks 34 25 (--) Monica Loke 34 25 (--) Jason team 34 25 (--) RENEB 34 25 (--) Schott Shooters 34 25 (--) Gilles Carmel 34 25 (--) Lewey's Lakers 34 25 (--) smithw 34 25 (--) East City Jokers 34 25 (--) Daryl Turner 34 25 (--) Doug Mraz 34 25 (--) Skriko Wolves 34 25 (--) IceMachine 34 25 (--) Lamp Lighters 34 25 (--) On Thin Ice 34 25 (--) JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 34 25 (--) 127. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 33 25 (--) Comfortably Numb 33 25 (--) Reksa fans of Oulu 33 25 (--) Gail Hiebert 33 25 (--) gee man 33 25 (--) But Wait Theres more 33 25 (--) marcs maulers 33 25 (--) Danielle Leblanc 33 25 (--) Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 33 25 (--) Ottawa Bearcats 33 25 (--) Boops Bets 33 25 (--) triple X 33 25 (--) Timo Ojala 33 25 (--) Flying pigs 33 25 (--) 141. The Eradicators 32 25 (--) Van Isle Colonists 32 25 (--) Commitments 32 25 (--) bure's blur 32 25 (--) Great Scott 32 25 (--) weasels 32 25 (--) Tequila Shooters 32 25 (--) Whiters 32 25 (--) Frasses Faceplants 32 25 (--) High Stickers 32 25 (--) Mak Paranjape 32 25 (--) Lord Stanley's Favourites 32 25 (--) San Jose Mahi Mahi 32 25 (--) Oz 32 25 (--) E.I.S 32 25 (--) Mann Mariners 32 24 (--) JFZ Dream Team 32 25 (--) Stacey Ross 32 25 (--) Louisiana Psycho Killers 32 25 (--) La Coupe Stainless 32 25 (--) 161. fighting amish 31 25 (--) Evan Pritchard 31 25 (--) Stanias Stars 31 25 (--) Pens Dynasty 31 25 (--) oceanweavers 31 25 (--) go go gagit 31 25 (--) Myllypuro Hedgehogs 31 25 (--) Arm & Hammer 31 25 (--) Legzryx 31 25 (--) Chapman Chaps 31 25 (--) Dean Martin 31 25 (--) Cherry Bombers 31 25 (--) 173. Sluggo's Hosers 30 25 (--) Anson Mak 30 25 (--) Knights on a Power Play 30 25 (--) 176. Canuck Force 29 25 (--) butt ends 29 25 (--) beam team 29 25 (--) JUKURIT 29 25 (--) Chapman Sticks 29 25 (--) Ken De Cruyenaere 29 25 (--) gax goons 29 25 (--) Tampere Salami 29 25 (--) Sparky's Select 29 25 (--) 185. Hillside Raiders 28 25 (--) Eldoret Elephants 28 25 (--) Jane's World 28 25 (--) the ALarmers 28 25 (--) 189. Rolaids Required 27 25 (--) Chip n Dale 27 25 (--) Brian Bergman 27 25 (--) 192. Killer Kings 26 25 (--) Montys Nords 26 25 (--) 194. Arsenal Maple Leafs 25 18 (--) Martin's Gag 25 25 (--) 196. Equipe Du Jour 24 25 (--) 197. lisa's luggers 23 25 (--) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 1219,6,"Organization: Central Michigan University From: <3MWIEU4@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: DAK shorwave radio Lines: 3 Digitally-tuned shorwave radio with alarm clock and 5 presets per band. Has AM, FM, SW1, and SW2 bands. Asking $25 + shppg. Reply for more details. Thanks Pete 3mwieu4@cmuvm.cmich.edu " 1220,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 27 From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: Male sex survey: Gay activity low A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough examination of American men's sexual practices published since the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 1221,12,"From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Well, this is my second try at posting on this subject. Here goes... In Texas (Corpus Christi at least) if you pick up the phone and dial 890 the phone company will read the number of the phone you are on back to you. I believe the service department uses this to make certain they are repairing the correct lines when they open the BIG junction boxes. I don't know if it will work but you can give it a try. Good luck. " 1222,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Distribution: inet Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 43 In article <1qk4qqINNgvs@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: |> -*----- |> In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: |> > What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings |> > from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this |> > specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic |> > phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of |> > hypothesizing. |> |> I think the question is: What is extra-scientific about this? |> |> It has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on |> where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered |> legitimate hypotheses. The point, in short, is this: hypotheses and |> speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy, |> daydreams, ancient traditions, modern quackery, or anywhere else. |> |> Russell |> Yes, but typically they *don't*. Not every wild flight of fancy serves (or can serve) in the appropriate relation to a hypothesis. It is somewhat interesting that when anyone is challanged to provide an example of this sort the *only* one they come up with is the one about Kekule. Surely, there must be others. But apparently this is regarded as an *extreme* example of a ""non-rational"" process in science whereby a successful hypothesis was proposed. But how non-rational is it? Of course we can't hope (currently at least) to explain how or why Kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails. Surely it wasn't the *only* daydream he had. What was special about *this* one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived *analogy* between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning geometry of molecules? Is such analogical reasoning ""extra-scientific""? Or is it rather at the very heart of science (Perice's notion of abduction, the use of models within and across disciplines)? Upon close examination, is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 1223,5,"From: gnohmon@ssiny.UUCP (Ralph Betza) Subject: dynamic SqueezeTitle configuration in *twm Keywords: TWM, twm, vtwm, tvtwm, ctwm Organization: Systems Strategies, Inc., NY, NY Lines: 123 I consider TWM-style Squeezed Titles indispensable in a window manager. I like to have two tall xterm windows visible at the same time, with no overlap; and since two windows aren't enough, I have other xterm windows underneath them, with exactly the same positioning. In case you're not familiar with Squeezed Titles, here's a crude picture: ====================== Figure 1 ==================================== | | +---------+ +---------+ +=========+ | + title A + + title B + + title C + | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+ | + this is the + + window B hides window C, but + | + body of the + + you can still see C's title + | + window, window A + + which is squeezed right. + | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+ | ====================== Figure 1 ==================================== Squeezed titles allow me to have about 5 such windows in each stack, with easy access; and 3 per stack is usually more than I really need, since I also insist on having a virtual WM. The only problem is that the title location is static, that is, it is configured in .twmrc, and in order to change it you have to edit that file and restart the window manager. Doing so is cumbersome and time-consuming. Therefore, I have implemented f.squeeze{ left, center, right } functions in my own copy of vtwm; the idea being that with one click of a button, you can change this: +---------+ + title A + +------------------------+ + this is the + + body of the + + window, window A + +------------------------+ to this: +---------+ + title A + +------------------------+ + this is the + + body of the + + window, window A + +------------------------+ =============== Okay. So far, so good. Now, how the heck do I get them to put this into the next ""official"" twm, and the next tvtwm, and the next vtwm, and the next ctwm? And the next xyztwm that I never heard of? One way would be to post, in comp.windows.x, a description of this enhancement, together with an explanation of why I think it is a Very Good Thing, and hope that someone reads it. :-) In case it isn't already clear why I think it's a Very Good Thing, look back up at Figure 1, and picture window A moved over on top of windows B and C; now window A's title hides Window B's title; but when you hit f.squeezecenter, the result is: +=========+ +---------+ +=========+ + title B + + title A + + title C + +-------------------------------------+ + this is the body of the window, + + window A, which is on top. + +-------------------------------------+ =================== The rest of this posting explains how to implement it, based on my X11R4 copy of vtvwm.shar; it's just a sketch because posting the full diffs would be too long. The key to this enhancement is to add the following lines in the ExecuteFunction() routine in menus.c: #ifdef SHAPE case F_SQUEEZELEFT: { static SqueezeInfo left_squeeze = { J_LEFT, 0, 0 }; if (DeferExecution (context, func, Scr->SelectCursor)) return TRUE; tmp_win->squeeze_info = &left_squeeze; SetFrameShape( tmp_win ); break; } .... and similarly for squeezeright ( J_RIGHT ) and squeezecenter ( J_CENTER ) ... #endif ( Of course, you also have to define F_SQUEEZELEFT in parse.h and add { ""f.squeezeleft"", FKEYWORD, F_SQUEEZELEFT }, ... and so forth ... to parse.c In order to use these functions, add something like the following to your .twmrc file: Button2 = m | s : w|v|d|r|i|t|door : f.squeezecenter ================= About a year ago, I posted this, but our news was broken and I *think* it didn't get out. Since then, ""blast"" has appeared in comp.sources.x, Volume 19, Issue 41; you could use blast to achieve a similar effect, by chiseling away at an mwm-style wide title. Better to have a twm-style window manager, I think. -- Ralph Betza (FM), uunet!ssiny!gnohmon gnohmon@ssiny.com ""The question of whether a computer can swim is more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can think"" - Lenny Dykstra " 1224,1,"From: dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk (Dave Mikelson) Subject: Re: PCX Distribution: world Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371 Reply-To: dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk (Dave Mikelson) Lines: 22 To: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca JW> 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how JW> to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? JW> 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board JW> so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 JW> 800x600x256 JW> 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? Here are some that I have that are very good: Graphics File Formats, Kay and Levine, ISBN 0-8306-3059-7 Supercharged Bitmapped Graphics, Rimmer, ISBN 0-8306-3788-5 Programmer's Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards, Ferraro, ISBN 0-201-57025-4 (has a whole chapter on Paradise SVGA) Dave --- . DeLuxe./386 1.12 #8993 . " 1225,1,"From: mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Padmini Srivathsa) Subject: WANTED : Info on Image Databases Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Guess the subject says it all. I would like references to any introductory material on Image Databases. Please send any pointers to mini@point.cs.uwm.edu Thanx in advance! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -< MINI >- mini@point.cs.uwm.edu | mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 1226,9,"From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.COM (David Kenney) Subject: My 1993 Predictions Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama Lines: 57 I thought I'd post my predicted standings since I find those posted by others to be interesting. Sorry this is after Opening Day. I certify that these were completed before the first pitch. :-) AL East 1. New York Yankees - the most (only?) improved team in this division 2. Toronto Blue Jays - Stewart and Morris? No way. 3. Milwaukee Brewers - they always seem to do better than I expect 4. Baltimore Orioles - Pitching, but Devareaux, Anderson, and Hoiles will drop 5. Cleveland Indians - Still don't seem to know what they are doing 6. Detroit Tigers - All key players but Fryman are another year past peak 7. Boston Red Sox - Any team with Clemens and Viola might be beter than 7th Al West - this division was the toughest for me to pick. Whoever of the top 4 gets pitching should win it. 1. Minnesota Twins - young pitchers seem to have best chance for success 2. Texas Rangers - I don't know why I have them here. Jose Canseco? 3. Chicago White Sox - Frank Thomas but no pitching. 4. Oakland A's - LaRussa is the best manager and would keep any team close 5. Seattle Mariners - I like Pinella, but don't see much here 6. Kansas City Royals - will score no runs 7. California Angels - will win no games NL East 1. Montreal Expos - good all around, plus no Wallach! 2. St. Louis Cardinals - (Jeffries + Whiten) >> (Jose + Clark), no Galarraga 3. Pittsburgh Pirates - youngsters will take up more slack than expected 4. New York Mets - some good players, still not a ""team"" 5. Philadelphia Phillies - they don't impress me 6. Florida Marlins - they know what they're doing 7. Chicago Cubs - they don't know what they're doing NL West - The 2 best teams in baseball are in this division. 1. Atlanta Braves - Awesome starters, but offense could be a concern 2. Cincinnati Reds - Would not surprise me if they won it all 3. Houston Astros - Any team that signs Uribe won't contend. Closer to 4 than 2 4. San Diego Padres - Plantier could be the Sheffield of 1993 5. Los Angeles Dodgers - better pitching than the Giants 6. San Francisco Giants - because the Rockies just stink 7. Colorado Rockies - will become the Seattle Mariners of the NL. NLCS Montreal d. Atlanta (Braves fans, yes I'm probably contradicting what I said in my NL West comment.) ALCS New York d. Minnesota World Series New York d. Montreal - Hating the Yankees will be fashionable again NL MVP: Barry Bonds, or maybe McGriff NL Cy Young: Jose Rijo AL MVP: Frank Thomas will deserve it (again), but Fielder might win it AL Cy Young: Roger Clemens (at least will deserve it (again)) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Kenney kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com " 1227,1,"From: echen@burn.ee.washington.edu (Ed Chen) Subject: Windows BMP to Sun raster or others? Article-I.D.: shelley.1r49iaINNc3k Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: burn.ee.washington.edu Hi, Anyone has a converter from BMP to any format that xview or xv can handle? This converter must run Unix.. I looked at the FAQ and downloaded several packages but had no luck... thanks in advance. ed echen@burn.ee.washington.edu " 1228,12,"From: lperez@decserv2.eecs.wsu.edu (Luis G. Perez) Subject: Re: BEAM Robot Olympic Games next Week in Toronto. Organization: S Lines: 10 Does anybody know if there is a mailing list or newsgroup for Power Systems and related areas? Thanks, -- Luis G. Perez lperez@eecs.wsu.edu " 1229,18,"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 29 Reply-To: Jason C. Austin NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com's message of Tue, 06 Apr 93 02:29:13 GMT In article popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell) writes: -> croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) writes: -> -> > Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h -> > a martyr a la JFK. -> > -> > It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after -> > watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t -> > toilet. -> > -> > Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him. -> -> -> He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush -> did. We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind. -> -> -> We'll see in 4 years. -> -> -> Pope Charles Slack in our time! -> -> ?s You need to stop watching TV and start reading some history. -- Jason C. Austin j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov " 1230,15,"From: David.Bernard@central.sun.com (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Reply-To: David.Bernard@central.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 9 In article 28782@athos.rutgers.edu, revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) writes: >Just an observation- although the bodily assumption has no basis in >the Bible, Carl Jung declared it to be one of the most important pronouncements >of the church in recent years, in that it implied the inclusion of the >feminine into the Godhead. What did Jung mean by a ""Godhead?"" " 1231,4,"From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep Nntp-Posting-Host: hqsun7.us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 33 Add me to the list of bugged 230 owners. I had a bunch of problems regarding sleep/wakeup/restart with the 230 when I first got it, both with and without the techworks ram. Finally it ""died"", wouldn't start, until I opened the docking door (which snaps open) and the machine came up fine, but with the clock a few decades off. Apple replaced the processor board. Now, twice the machine has frozen (no mouse action) twice the machine has refused to wake up. Acutally, the backlighting came on, and the disk spins when the power adaptor is plugged in (but not with a good battery). The first time this happened removing both power adaptor and battery for ~1 minute brought the machine back. The second time this happened the machine wouldn't wake up until powered down for about 30 minutes. The screen had what looked like red horizontal lines accross it. Both timse the file ""fax modem preferences"" has been corrupted according to disinfectent). I have removed all the fax and modem software, and the third party memory, and am waiting to see if it happens again. forrest -- Forrest Howard Oracle Corporation 500 Oracle Parkway Box 65414 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 " 1232,6,"From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder) Subject: Re: Squaw lift tickets available for $32 each Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com Organization: DEC Systems Research Center Distribution: ba Lines: 9 Tickets midweek are now down to $34. They will be $25 starting last week in April, or maybe first week in May. By the way, the current conditions (was there Apr 12-13) are great for spring skiing, with excellent coverage, most stuff open, and no lift lines. - Andrei " 1233,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine???? Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 16 GB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) GB> The HMO would stop the over-ordering, but in HMOs, tests are GB> under-ordered. That's a somewhat overbroad statement. I'm sure there are HMOs in which the fees for lab tests are subtracted from the doctor's income. In most, however, including the one I work for, there is no direct incentive to under-order. Profits of the group are shared among all partners, but the group is so large that an individual's generated costs have a miniscule effect. I don't believe that we under-order. Then again, I'm not really sure what the right amount of ordering is or should be. Relative to the average British neurologist, I suspect that I rather drastically over-order. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 1234,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Re: Need polygon splitting algo... Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Keywords: polygons, splitting, clipping In article <1qvq4b$r4t@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au>, g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) writes: |> |> The idea is to clip one polygon using another polygon (not |> necessarily rectangular) as a window. My problem then is in |> finding out all the new vertices of the resulting ""subpolygons"" |> from the first one. Is this simply a matter of extending the |> usual algorithm whereby each of the edges of one polygon is checked |> against another polygon??? Is there a simpler way?? |> |> Comments welcome. |> |> Noel. It depends on what kind of the polygons. Convex - simple, concave - trouble, concave with loop(s) inside - big trouble. Of cause, you can use the box test to avoid checking each edges. According to my experience, there is not a simple way to go. The headache stuff is to deal with the special cases, for example, the overlapped lines. Yeh USC " 1235,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Nazi Armenians were of service to Germans in Arab countries as well. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr26.175246.24412@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The >statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand >Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads >during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen. Let us not forget the Nazi Armenians. Nazi Armenians were of service to Germans in Arab countries as well. As Uzun put it, one well-known case which received a lot of media-coverage involved two Nazi Armenian agents which were dropped over Syria by Italian war planes. The mission of the agents was to mingle among the Armenian population in Syria and to acquire relevant information for the German Wehrmacht on the allied forces in the area.[1] Nazi Armenians also helped German propaganda efforts in Arab countries designed to promote pro-Nazi sentiments among the French- and British-ruled Arab populations. Beirut had traditionally been strong-hold of the Nazi Armenians and until very recently it was the center of international Armenian terrorism. In Russia General Dro (the Butcher), the architect of the Turkish genocide in WWI, was working closely with the German Secret Service. He entered the war zone with his own men and acquired important intelligence about the Soviets. His experience with the Turkish genocide in x-Soviet Armenia made him an invaluable source for the Germans.[2] [1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 150. [2] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., p. 113; Patrick von zur Muehlen, ibid., p. 84. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1236,5,"From: btaylor@mcl.bdm.com (Brent Taylor) Subject: XDM & DECnet ? Organization: BDM International, Inc. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.mcl.bdm.com Does XDM work with DECnet? I have an Ultrix machine running both TCP/IP and DECnet. I have a number of X-terminals hanging off the Ultrix host also running TCP/IP and DECnet. Presently I am using XDM for the login procedure on the X-terminals using TCP/IP. Since XDM is basically just an X-windows client, shouldn't I be able to run XDM on the DECnet protocol tower as well? My first inclination is that XDM is not your typical X client. It is making TCP/IP specific socket calls. In this case the answer would be no; you can not run XDM over DECnet. Is this right or not? Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks. " 1237,4,"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes: >In article rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes: >[... stuff deleted] >> >>Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, >>who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this >>memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. >> >[more stuff deleted...] >How do you calculate that figure? I'd assume even in personal computers >the board designers would use bank switching to (optimistically) >quadruple the access speed or am I missing something here? The previous article referred to the fact that you could only use 20ns SIMMs in a 50MHz machine, but that you could use 80ns SIMMs in slower machines. I just pointed out that if you could only use 20ns SIMMs in a 50MHz machine, you can't use 80ns SIMMs in anything faster than a 12.5 MHz machine. Bank switching and caches were not considered in either example (although both would help memory access). >HSK -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. " 1238,2,"From: mcbride@ohsu.edu (Ginny McBride) Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Article-I.D.: ohsu.mcbride.126 Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.60.24 In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: >>What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? [stuff deleted] >Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent >product, with several features beyond the DOS version. >WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to >packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. >Ashok >-- >Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu >Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300 >CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544 What's it gonna cost? Ginny McBride Oregon Health Sciences University mcbride@ohsu.edu Networks & Technical Services =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ | The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, | | and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating | | and impenetrable fog. (Academia, here I come) >Calvin & Hobbes< | =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ " 1239,15,"From: koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 49 In article marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: >In article mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes: >>I have seen the claims, but I don't know if there are any >>authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in >>real languages they don't know. From my observations, ""speaking >>in tongues"" in practice has nothing at all do with this. > >I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak >only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). >Then I let the ""gifted one"" start ""speaking in toungues"". >The audience should understand the ""gifted one"" clearly >in their native language. However, the ""gifted one"" can >only hear himself speaking in his own language. > There seem to be many points to the speaking in tongues thing which are problematic. It's use as prayer language seems especially troubling to me. I understand that when you pray in tongues, the spirit is doing the talking. And when you pray, you pray to God. And the Spirit is God. So, the Spirit is talking to Himself. Which is why I only go by the Pentecost use where it's an actual language. Moreover, the phrase ""though I speak with the tongues of men and angels"" used by Paul in I Cor. is misleading out of context. Some would then assume that there is some angelic tongue, and if when they speak, it is no KNOWN language, then it is an angelic tongue. Hmmm...in the old testament story about the tower of Babel, we see how God PUNISHED by giving us different language. Can we assume then that if angels have their own language at all, that they have the SAME one amongst other angels? After all, THEY were not punished in any manner. So why do these supposed angelic tongues all sound different FROM ONE ANOTHER? It's disturbing to think that some people find ways to justify jabbering. But I'll buy the idea that someone could talk in a language never learned. Trouble is, while such stories abound, any and all attempts at verification (and we are to test the spirit...) either show that the witness had no real idea of the circumstances, or that outright fabrication was involved. The Brother Puka story in a previous post seems like a ""friend of a friend"" thing. And linguistically, a two syllable word hardly qualifies as language, inflection or no. Much as many faith healers have trouble proving their ""victories"" (since most ailments ""cured"" are just plain unprovable) and modern day ressurrections have never been validated, so is it true that no modern day xenoglossolalia has been proved by clergy OR lay. " 1240,7,"Organization: Central Michigan University From: John Foster <32HNBAK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. <1993Apr15.112826.25211@colorado.edu> Lines: 38 >From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) >In article pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) wri >>In <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes >> >>>Hello, >> >>> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine >>>compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind >>>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! >>> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable >>>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too >>>tight, is it safe without oil leak? >> >>You shouldn't need any power tools to undo it, an electric drill >>probably won't give you much extra torque anyway. WD40 will help >>things that are seized due to rust but this is unlikely for a drain >>plug. You should be able to undo it with a spanner. When it >>loosens, it will probably become very loose and you will bash your >>knuckles on the underside of the car - this is the price you must >>pay for doing you own work. > >No, that's the price you pay for not knowing how to use a >wrench. You want to pull the wrench towards you, away from >painful knuckle splitting hard things. If you can't pull it >because things are in the way, push it with an open hand. I find this method much better myself, too, although I do really hate it when the bolt finally comes loose and the wrench and my hand both come crashing into my face. After coming to, which is about 15 minutes later, I change my clothes (because by this time all the oil has drained *on* me), and ice my entire face and suck down about 20 Tylenol to ease the pain. Later in the day I then proceed with refilling the engine oil. It's just crazy how I try and change the oil on my cars in one weekend---I go through about 3 bottles of Tylenol and 2 bags of ice. John " 1241,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 24 One presumes the system could work as follows: a) Blank clips are manufactured by Mykotronx and VLSI. The number produced is carefully audited and they are shipped to the first escrow house. It programs the chips with its half the key, and prints out a paper slip with the key half and non-secret chip serial number. The reams of paper are filed in locked boxes in the vault, a fuse is burnt in the chip so that the key is now unreadable. The chip then goes to the next escrow house, where the same thing is done. This continues through N escrow houses, perhaps, could be more than 2. The last one provides the chip to the cellular phone maker. And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular implementation known as RSA. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 1242,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 37 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: |> Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation |> of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've |> finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. |> I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() |> is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the |> Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory |> pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: |> (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or |> (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what The protocol has to move the whole image from process memory to server memory, this is the hog. The conversions in the XPutImage() are fast. |> is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to |> a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is |> running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with Yes, by utilizing the MIT-SHM extension, that provides an XPutImage derivate that uses shared memory. Fine fast. |> XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? |> No. You can still XPutImage all of the frames onto pixmaps (thus moving them to server memory) and then replay them fastest using XCopyArea() BUT be aware, this is a major server memory bummer ! -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 1243,13,"From: choueiry@liasun1.epfl.ch (Berthe Y. Choueiry) Subject: French to English translation of medical terms Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: liasun1.epfl.ch Dear Netters, I am not sure whether this is the right place to post my query, but I thought there may be some bilingual physicians in this newsgroup that could help. Please, excuse me for overloading the bandwidth. I am trying to build a resource allocation program for managing a surgical operating unit in a hospital. The user interface is in English, however the terms of medical specialties I was given are in French :-( I have no medical dictionary handy, mine is a technical university :-(( I need to get the translation into English (when there is one) of the following words. They refer to medical categories of operating rooms (theaters). I admit they may not be universally ""used"". 1- sceptique 2- orl 3- brulure/brule' 4- ne'onatal 5- pre'natal 6- pre'mature' 7- neurochirurgie (neuro-surgery??) 8- chirurgie ge'ne'rale 9- chirurgie plastique 10- urologie (urology??) Thank you for you help. Cheers, --------- Berthe Y. Choueiry choueiry@lia.di.epfl.ch LIA-DI, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Ecublens CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland Voice: +41-21-693.52.77 and +41-21-693.66.78 Fax: +41-21-693.52.25 -------- ps: please reply by e-mail if possible since I scan too quickly through the messages of this newsgroup. " 1244,2,"From: hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz) Subject: Re: Norton Desktop for Windows 2.2 Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research Company Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr2.180451.15428@exu.ericsson.se>, ebuwoo@ebu.ericsson.se (James Woo 66515) writes: |> Hi, |> I wonder if anyone has had a chance try out Norton Desktop for Windows |> version 2.2 yet. I understand the upgrade cost from 2.0 to 2.2 is about |> $20.00 but I have no idea what the new version has. |> I got the offer to upgrade this weekend. It's $19 + $8.50 shipping and handling. The S+H seem way too steep for just a couple of disks. Sounds like ripoff city. Can this purchased at vendors? -- ====================== Bill Volz Chevron Petroleum Technology Co. Earth Model/Interpretation & Analysis Division. P.O. Box 446, La Habra, CA 90633-0446 Phone: (310) 694-9340 Fax: (310) 694-7063 " 1245,13,From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) Subject: Looking for a doctor Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: San Francisco Lines: 9 I was kind of half watching Street Stories last night and one of the segments was about this doctor in S.F. who provides a service of investigating treatment for various diseases. I'm pretty sure his name is Dr. Mark Renniger (sp?) or close to that. Did anyone else watch this? I'd like to get his correct name and address/phone number if possible. Thanks. 1246,17,"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Suicide Bomber Attack in the Territories Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 22 Attention Israel Line Recipients Friday, April 16, 1993 Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car Bomb Explosion Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the blast suffered light to moderate injuries. -Danny Keren " 1247,4,"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Good display card for 14"" multisync? Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 20 Hi there! I wonder if anyone knows and can recommend me a good NuBus display card for driving a 14"" multisync (NEC 3D)? The NEC 3D can do horizontal refresh from 15.5 kHz to 38 kHz and vertical from 50 Hz to 90 Hz and can do max 1024x768 interlaced, though I am looking for something more like 800x600 or 832x624 noninterlaced. It would be very nice to find a card which can be programmed quite freely within these limits and is capable to display at least 8bits/pixel, preferably more. Is there anything on the market that comes even close? Thanks -- Jartsu " 1248,8,"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: |hello there |ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly |comment on its handling . Depends on in what context you want it commented on. It handles great compared to some bikes, not so good compared to others. What would you like it compared to? (Yes, I've put a few miles on one, although I've never owned one). Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 ""But, this one goes to *eleven*..."" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_ " 1249,4,"From: James_Jim_Frazier@cup.portal.com Subject: 5.25"" MO sectors/track? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 8 On an ISO/ANSI-standard 5.25"" magneto-optical disc, how many sectors are there per track (or disc revolution), and how many tracks per disc? Thanks, Jim Frazier 73447.3113@compuserve.com " 1250,4,"From: root@ncube.com (Operator) Subject: Accelaratores? Nntp-Posting-Host: admin Reply-To: root@ncube.com Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA Lines: 27 Do the accelaratores make a lot of difference? As I understand, there is graphics and cpu accelaration. Does graphics accelarator help out with the scanner and the photo shop? Is combination of both practical? I have a Mac IIci. What kinds of accelaratores can I use? --- ^~ @ * * Captain Zod... _|/_ / zod@ncube.com |-|-|/ 0 /| 0 / | \=======&==\=== \===========&=== " 1251,8,"From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Article-I.D.: cup.C535HL.C6H Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: hesh.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote: : The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I : know he knew I was there. oh, okay. then in that case it was attemped vehicular manslaughter. he definitely wanted to kill you. all cagers want to kill bikers. that's the only explanation that i can think of. -- hesh " 1252,2,"From: JOEL@jach.hawaii.edu (Joel Aycock) Subject: Re: page setup in Notepad In-Reply-To: krh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com's message of Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:05:08 GMT Organization: UK Infrared Telescope, Joint Astronomy Centre, Hawaii X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20 Lines: 22 In <1993Apr13.200508.5167@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> krh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com writes: > I often use Notepad to view and print ""read.me"" type files. I often find > myself rushing to get to Print Manager to stop the printer and delete > the file from the print queue because I've forgotten to reset the print > margins from .75 inches (left and right) to 0 inches. The resulting printed > text looks all chopped up because of the hard returns in the source file. > [...] I struggled with the margin problem for ages as well, until I finally got hold of the shareware binary editor BEAV133, and dug into NOTEPAD.EXE (there is no SETUP facility to force NOTEPAD to default to 0.0 margins- it's hardwired into code!!!). Do a SEARCH for "".75"", then change the offending bytes to "".00"", et viola. Who are the guys who hardcode these ""options"" anyway? I'm interested in whether the problem only rears it's ugly head for certain printers- I'm using an old Epson LX-800 (or is that EX-800? never can remember). aloha. " 1253,3,"From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 32 kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes: >Anybody seen the date get stuck? >I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine >is left running all the time. >Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate >allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves >exiting the menu system to get to DOS. >Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether >the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken? >-- >Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com ) >voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA 93035 >Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say. I've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so I can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at others the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should be. If you find out I'd like to know also. Oh, and I also leave my system running all the time. -- Barry Sardis | Home: (408) 448-1589 1241 Laurie Avenue | Office: (408) 448-7404 San Jose, CA 95125 | Fax: (408) 448-7404 Email: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM " 1254,10,"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept. Distribution: usa In article <9454@blue.cis.pitt.edu> ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes: > Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just >Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you >who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the >production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even >reaped any $ made... In the interests of saving badnwidth during this ""heated"" time of the year (viz. the early flurry of ""retard"" comments coming from a certain state whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don't you tell us something we don't already know? George -- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 " 1255,12,"From: dzenc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Zenchelsky) Subject: VIdeotext/teletext descrambler Article-I.D.: hal.1psvcg$1auv Distribution: world Organization: dis Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu Hi, I am looking for a PC card which does european videotext/teletext descrambling (PAL). Does anyone in the US sell such a card? I once saw an article about a card with the same functionallity in a european Elektor magazine, but I wasn't able to track it down. Thanx in advance, Dan " 1256,15,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Refusing Divine Peace and Alive Prayer? (was Re: Question about Mary) Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 147 It's like refusing 'God's kingdom come'. In one of Jesus' revelation in this century, ""...same thing as in the old days. People refuse to believe my messengers. Even when I was alive here on earth, they refuse Me. What more when I am just talking through somebody else?"" (paraphrased). With all the knowledge believers accumulated, He would think that we would be 'enlightened' enough to detect which ones are 'authentic and divine' as opposed to 'evil or man-made'. These signs, these miracles, are you afraid that they are not from God? That these are the signs we should not open our hearts and mind to for thinking they are evil? Well, is faith in God evil? Is true peace evil? Is true love that is divine and pure evil? Why can't someone accept that God can do what He wants in fulfillment of His generous love and Jesus' never ending forgiveness to those who turn back to Him for salvation? Why are we refusing God's messenger of this truth? The mother to all who are in Christ? What brings us these: fears of being shamed by what others will think or say about us? which, in contrary, could be pleasing to God? fears of being humbled? fears of being judged as wrong (wrt mainstream standard of what is right)? Why can't we tolerate non-believers' mockery or ridicule of us for the sake of peace, love and obedience to God? The humbling lessons left to us by martyrs and saints? We'd rather engage in never-ending bickering and disproof of each other's opinion - looking at each other's mistakes - for the sake of arguments, instead of having communion in one body with Christ. What makes us go blind to the truth that God is All Powerful and that He can not be binded by what people wrote and have written about Him in all ages? Why is our faith in God limited? By all the words and literature we muster? What prevents us from going *beyond* being saved and extend God's rich love to others who are not? Why are our eyes not wide open to see that He continuously sees our faith, hope and love which glorify Him and so He gives us indications of His acknowledgements with signs/miracles (ordinary/common or divinely inspired) everywhere? Isn't that like an atheist/agnostic's view that all these are just ordinary here on earth and not caused by anything supernatural? Why then does the Holy Mother comes back to remind us: ""We must really __accept that prayer__ changes the course of things and that with prayers __even wars can be prevented__."" but then she continues: ""You often have an egotistic attitude. Dear children, in these days you have prayed very much, __but your hands have remained empty__."" Why hesitate in proclaiming what needs to be done: ""prayer, conversion, peace, penance, fasting, the Holy Mass, living life as what the Gospel brings.""? Why not do so? How? To the world? To this, the Mother says: ""Start in your family. Be a good example. Live the Word."" Why worry if it is going to be of good use to many? Our Holy Mother says: ""The fruits, __leave them to the Lord__, do not worry about anything or anyone but entrust yourself to the Lord."" Although the Holy Mother does not insist because: ""You are free; I bow before the freedom which God gives you."" but she follows this with: ""You are surprised because I say to you: Decide for God and yet, see how you have lived this day."" Why does she constantly conveys: ""Take this life toward God in the way as to __experience__ the Lord Himself in your __behavior__ and __not only__ when you pray"" or one time when we decide that we are saved, or talk/write about God, etc. The Holy Mother warns: ""Satan (the serpent) is always trying to dissuade you to turn you away from my peace plan and prayer."" (Rev 12:17, the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offsprings, those who keep God's commandments, and bear witness to Jesus.) Do you have fear or hate for God's current messenger of true peace, love and our motherly protector from the anti-Christ? The one who is being apprehensive of communism, wars, famine and other evils that the serpent brings upon us? This obedient and blessed new Eve? The mother who warns us so we can be prepared and be strong against Satan? Haven't there been renewed faith, hope, love, peace and obedience wherever this messenger has shared her blessings and graces that God has given her in good purpose? Why do we choose to be blind? Why fear the truth that God has been giving us a chance and sharing Christ's ever-forgetting forgiveness to us through the obedient mother? The mother who has been consecrated the task __to reverse__ the disobedient harm and example done by the ancient Eve. She has been preparing the new Eden with her Immaculate Heart. The new Eden as sanctuary (the womb) for the next coming and judgement of the righteous by our Lord, Jesus Christ; when The Lamb marries His bride. Shouldn't we give her a hand in her exhaustive job of preparing us for the second coming of her Son as she has been conceived without sin to bear the Son of God in her womb? Why fear true peace, love and renewed faith and obedience to God that Mary faithfully brings to God's children? She has been protecting the flock (the rest of the offsprings) from the greedy dragon so as to present more righteous members for her Son's coming. Not all apparitions and miracles that resulted from them are worthy of belief. With prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit and, of course, approval of our Church authorities, we should be aware of the true and divinely inspired ones; specifically, the ones which aligns with the Scripture. Also, our Lady reminds us of recommendation of __silence__ in our prayers: ""If you speak unceasingly in your prayers, how will you be able to hear God? Allow Him room to answer you, to speak to you."" She encourages us (with motherly nurturing) to continue in exuberant faith, hope and love to Jesus, constantly. NOT with mere emotions, but with deep, constant obedience to Jesus, her Beloved Son and acknowledgement of our need to have Him as part of our lives. Let's not wait to the last minute to renew our faith and the life that God wants us to live; when there won't be enough time or when it will be late. Nowadays, Mary says, ""Pray, pray, pray for peace...reconciliation, my children."" Have peace within yourself first before you can promote peace to others. For without peace, you can not fully accept my Son."" And you think she's just an ordinary lady. Not to me. She's our good Mother/messenger from God and she is so nice enough to share God's kingdom to us through her Son and experience it. With Mary, we are assured that The Lamb always succeeds. ----- Note: All enclosed in quotes are from ""Latest News of Medjugorje"" Number 10, June, 1991 by Fr. Rene' Laurentin. ----- O, new Mother of Eden, Most Pure Preparing the sanctuary for true christians Cleansing us with peace for God's kingdom come Bring us to your loving, protective and obedient Church That we may belong in one Body to your Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord And not go astray from His perfect completeness Pray that we ourselves pray with the Holy Spirit guiding us So that we may help you in strength to conquer the enemies of your Son while you prepare us for Him with your Immaculate Heart. " 1257,14,"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr21.024423.29182@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu+ wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) writes: + +I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a +really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a +Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. + Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance which expanded in vacuum. Once inflated the substance was no longer needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no disastrous deflation. -- Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131 " 1258,5,"From: pjaques@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK (Paul Jaques) Subject: Problem with dni and OW 3.0 Organization: The Internet Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Can anybody help me? I am having a problem displaying images greater than 32768 bytes on a Sparc IPC running Openwindows 3.0 and dni. My program runs on a Vax and displays images on the IPC with no problems if I use Openwindows 2.0. The program uses the following lines to display the image - it is the XPutImage() routine that crashes. XImage *ximage; ximage = XCreateImage(myDisplay, DefaultVisual(myDisplay, myScreen), ddepth, ZPixmap, 0, image, xwid, ywid, 8, 0); XPutImage(myDisplay, myWindow, myGC, ximage, 0, 0, xpos, ypos, xwid, ywid); The error I get is:- XIO: fatal IO error 65535 on X server ""galaxy::0.0"" after 30 requests (18 known processed) with 0 events remaining. %XLIB-F-IOERROR, xlib io error -SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 000773B9 000773B9 00077BBE 00077BBE 0007259D 0007259D 00072741 00072741 00072840 00072840 00072A27 00072A27 MYXSUBS my_imtoiks 3184 00000093 000010AF TEST main 293 000000E5 00000EE5 I have a simple test program if anyone would like to test it !! Thanks Paul. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Jaques | | Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, | | Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. | | E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1259,11,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Bob ""Putz"" Cain (was: Pgp and other BS) Nntp-Posting-Host: next7.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr16.195927.3952@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: >Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: >: In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: [...] >: Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them >: they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. >: >: You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. >: > >I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead. Don't bother. has pretty much made your pathetic ass superfluous. You lose. Pack up your bags and go home. >Putz Cain Well, if the shoe fits.... cpk " 1260,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 Eugene Bigelow writes: >Doesn't the Bible say that God is a fair god [sic]? If this is true, how can >this possibly be fair to the infants? What do you mean fair? God is just, giving to everyone what they deserve. As all infants are in sin from the time of conception (cf Romans 5.12, Psalm 1.7), they cannot possibly merit heaven, and as purgatory is for the purging of temporal punishment and venial sins, it is impossible that origianl sin can be forgiven. Hence, the unbaptized infants are cut off from the God against whom they, with the whole of the human race except Mary, have sinned. Which is why Jesus said, ""Truly, truly I say to you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and Spirit"" which is the true meaning of born again (John 3.5). Thus, as infants are in sin, it is very fair for them to be cut off from God and exlcuded from heaven. As St. Augustine said, ""I did not invent original sin, which the Catholic faith holds from ancient time; but you, who deny it, without a doubt are a follower of a new heresy."" (De nuptiis, lib. 11.c.12) Andy Byler " 1261,15,"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd. Lines: 30 hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: > >Now, as to the suggestion that all prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical, > >can you elaborate? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. How does the > >suggestion relate to Isaiah's prophecy of the birth of Christ by a virgin? > >I don't see any cycles in that prophecy. > > Maybe cyclical is not the best word. ... > > Another example would be the Scripture quoted of Judas, ""and his bishoprick > let another take."" Another example is something that Isaiah said of His > disciples which is also applied to Christ in Hebrews, ""the children thou > hast given me."" > > How does the preterist view account for this phenomenon. Ah, double-fulfillment. First of all I would say that I'm not sure all the prophecies had double-fulfillment, e.g., the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy. I would say that just because this happens on some occasions does not mean it will occur always, especially with regard to NT prophecies. The apostles who quoted the OT and applied those passages to Jesus were acting as divine messengers and giving the inerrant Word of God to the Church. No one has that authority today. No one has the apostolic authority to say that such-and-such a prophecy has double-fulfillment. If the imagry of Revelation fits with events of the 1st century, it is folly for us to try and make it apply to events 20 centuries later. -- Tom Albrecht " 1262,8,"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: usa Organization: NOT Lines: 27 karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: ]""Get the organization to act on it"" is easy to say, but says little ]about what one really can and should do. What the organization ]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors, ]as far as I can see. That's what makes it so important to vote in an ]election of officers. if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-) I certainly plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results. ]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in ]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C ]organizations. Should we change this? Or just join the other groups ]that already are in politics? I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense. the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily coordinated ones. -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org " 1263,5,"From: maf@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Forssen) Subject: Re: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc Nntp-Posting-Host: hacket.dtek.chalmers.se Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden Lines: 11 claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes) writes: >I have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard. >Has anybody a Patch for X11R5? export.lcs.mit.edu:/pub/sunkbd..930314.tar.Z /MaF -- Martin Forssen: maf@dtek.chalmers.se or maf@math.chalmers.se System administrator at math and dtek at Chalmers univ. of technology " 1264,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Lines: 43 : From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) : In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: : >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run : >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets : >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate : >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? : As far as I know ISDN (call it Swissnet here, and it's being plugged in) it's : 8 bit 8000Hz (gives you one channel of 64kBit/sec) I guess you should not go : below a sampling rate of 6000 Hz if you want to have same quality as on an : analog-line. Anybody knows compression-algorithms & -factors for voice ? I've posted some info on CELP coding on sci.crypt. Looks like you can squeeze speech into 4000bps if you have a fast enough computer like a sparcstation (or a Newton with the Acorn Risc Machine in it :-) ) This drops the bandwidth to so low a figure that it's feasible to run speech over tcp/ip running on top of slip down a v32bis modem. Not only will this let us run point to point encrypted speech, it'll let us run speech internationally over the internet if no-one stops us by getting *very* heavy about regulations. The thought of this, if the administration realised, would probably scare them shitless. Now of course the trick is to develop and define a standard protocol for internet speech *damn fast*, allowing anyone who feels brave to inplement custom handheld hardware as well as us hacking it on our workstations. Shouldn't be too difficult. The CELP stuff is standardised, we use tcp/ip streams, and a protocol allowing silences to be used to catch up on any net lag, and also to avoid sending any data during silences (ie it's not wise to be synchronised real-time on each end because any net delays would add up to big voice-lags) As for me, I'm going to press ahead on trying this stuff as soon as I get my sparc back from being loaned out and buy the necessary microphone. It'll save me a fortune in calling my friend in texas every night :) (whether encrypted or not) You know, surely *someone* is working on this. Who? It's so obvious, why doesn't it exist already? I've only seen netphone for Suns and it didn't do the CELP compression so was restricted to ether connections. G " 1265,19,"From: jluther@cs.umr.edu (John W. Luther) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 80 In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > > > With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider >the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought >the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier, >would amuse you all... > > > The following passages are exact quotes from ""The Southern >Baptist Convention and Freemasonry"" by James L. Holly, M.D., President >of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX >77706. > > The inside cover of the book states: ""Mission & Ministry to Men, >Inc. hereby grants permission for the reproduction of part or all of >this booklet with two provisions: one, the material is not changed and >two, the source is identified."" I have followed these provisions. > > ""Freemasonry is one of the allies of the Devil"" Page iv. > > ""The issue here is not moderate or conservative, the issue is God >and the Devil"" Page vi."" > > ""It is worthwhile to remember that the formulators of public >school education in America were Freemasons"" Page 29. > > ""Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His >disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."" >Page 30. > > ""The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity >through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen >in the writings of the 'great' writers of Freemasonry"". Page 31. > > ""He [Jesus Christ] established the most sectarian of all possible >faiths."" Page 37. > > ""For narrowness and sectarianism, there is no equal to the Lord >Jesus Christ"". Page 40. > > ""What seems so right in the interest of toleration and its >cousins-liberty, equality and fraternity-is actually one of the >subtlest lies of the 'father of lies.'"" Page 40. > > ""The Southern Baptist Convention has many churches which were >founded in the Lodge and which have corner stones dedicated by the >Lodge. Each of these churches should hold public ceremonies of >repentance and of praying the blood and the Name of the Lord Jesus >Christ over the church and renouncing the oaths taken at the >dedication of the church and/or building."" Page 53-54. > > > I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! , > > Tony I appreciate the narrow-mindedness of the view expressed in the text you quoted. I also appreciate your being amused by such determined ignorance. Without taking anything away from your mirth, I want to say that these views sadden me. I can only hope that that sort of narrow-mindedness will die with the generations that have promoted it. Teach your children well. Pax. John > > -- * John W. Luther | Anybody who mistakes my * * jluther@cs.umr.edu <-Best for Email | opinions for UMR's just * * 71140.313@compuserve.com <-$$$$$! | doesn't know UMR. * ******************************************************************** " 1266,15,"From: asket@acad2.alaska.edu Subject: When is a couple married... Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 31 I used to be a marriage commissioner for the Alaska Court System (sort of a justice of the peace). I had great difficulty with that duty. I used to pray earnestly in the courthouse bathroom before the ceremonies, mostly asking that the couples would come to appreciate and fulfill the true holiness and divine purpose in marriage--couples who obviously didn't realize that marriage is God's institution, not the state's. Gradually, however, I came to conclude that because I was acting in a strictly secular, public capacity, established as such by both the state and the expectations of the couples involved, I was really conducting a purely secular, legal civil event, with no greater moral or religious implications than if I had been conducting a civil trial (the couple who told me, mid-ceremony, to ""please hurry it up"" may have helped me to this conclusion). I thought I had neatly rationalized a clear and sharp distinction between marriage before God, and ""marriage"" before the state, until I had to deal with my own divorce. Keeping Matthew 19:6 in mind, I felt that the state had no business dissolving my marriage established before God, but of course it assumed jurisdiction nonetheless. I would ask those of you proposing answers to this question to consider this issue's logical extension: If intercourse, or the mental intent of the parties, or the ceremony of the church, or any combination thereof, establishes marriage, then at what moment is it dissolved? Karl Thoennes III University of Alaska " 1267,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Mississippi River water and catfish: safe? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Distribution: usa Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr12.204033.126645@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >I've been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the >Mississippi. My journey partners want to live off of river water and >catfish along the route. Should I have any concerns about pollution or >health risks in doing this? You'd have to purify the river water first. I'm not sure how practical that is with the Mississippi. You'd better check with health agencies along the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river. If it is just microorganisms, those can be filtered or killed, but you may need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals. Better be same than sorry. Obviously, drinking the river without processing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1268,18,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Lines: 27 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr16.170521.21129@midway.uchicago.edu> shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse) writes: > >SPEAKING OF VAT: Did anyone see CNN's report yesterday (4/15)? It >was quite hillarious (no pun intended). They ran down how a percent tax >was added at each stage of manufacturing, graphicaly depicting a stack of >quarters being added at each wholesale stage. When they got to the final >stage (the actual retail sale) the small stack of quarters added to the >large stack already there was said to be ""the amount paid by consumers."" >In other words, they completed ignored the fact that at each stage the >tax would of course be passed on to the next buyer with the retail consumer >paying the full load. > >These are not journalists--they're lap dogs. One of the commentators on one of the Big Three news programs described the VAT (which ain't a sales tax) as a tax ""government's love."" I was even surprised he got the reason right: it effectively hides the majority of the tax the consumer has to pay *from* the consumer. It's kind of like they do with cars. You pay far more for automobile taxes than most people realize because it's contained in two dozen different taxes, everything from your license to your tires to your gasoline. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 1269,11,"From: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Nntp-Posting-Host: ely.cl.cam.ac.uk Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr19.052005.20665@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > Nothing was said about where K_P comes from. If you've got a secure device, you don't need public keys. If the secret key which all chips share is SK, you can just use KP = E{(myname, yourname, date) ; SK}. Maybe that's why Jim Bidzos was reported as being cheesed off. Ross " 1270,4,"From: ulf@kirsch.c3consult.comm.se (Ulf Lagerstedt) Subject: A+ mouse Organization: Communicator C3Consult AB Distribution: comp Lines: 12 In the bottom drawer I just found an old A+ mouse with a DB-9 (9-pin) plug. I assume that it belonged to a deceased Plus or something. Could any simple modification turn it into a proper ADB mouse? Reply by mail, preferably. Thanks! -- Ulf Lagerstedt, Communicator C3Consult, Sweden / ulf@c3consult.comm.se " 1271,4,"From: bill@lhotse.hao.ucar.edu (Bill Roberts) Subject: Upgrading PB170 Memory Organization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303 Distribution: usa Lines: 8 I have one of the original Powerbook 170's (with 4Mb of Ram) and find that 4Mb is a drag when trying to do my work. So, what is the best way to get the maximum RAM for this unit, and what's it going to cost me? I'm hoping I can get the latest and best info from real users by posting to this group. Thanks in advance, --Bill " 1272,6,"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Electronics Summary: VCR and AMP Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 18 Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. 2 heads, Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. Compact 12W unit for $20 plus shipping. Great for Amiga Stereo output or Soundblaster output. If you are interested in either of the above mail me, Keith, at radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me at 919-968-7779. I did have these sold but both deals fell thru so if you are still interested in either email or call me. _ _ // Major: Computer Science / dodson@convex.COM (Dave Dodson) writes: >Is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car? Although, others have in the past and will continue to disagree i think that it is worthwhile to get an alarm. >What features are important? I think that it is important to protect your trunk, engine bay, all doors. I'd get flashing lights, LED's mounted on the drivers and passenger door and a relay to disable engine operation. Toss in a glass break sensor, and shock sensor. Door lock and unlock, two remotes and panic feature are also nice to have. Most important is where you have the installation done! Some places may cost a little more, but a poorly installed alarm (no matter how much it cost) will be a major burden. >What features are unimportant? IMO, things like engine starters, voice alarms, window/sunroof open and close, and most other conveniences. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dave Dodson dodson@convex.com >Convex Computer Corporation Richardson, Texas (214) 497-4234 . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 1275,5,"From: mikell@cactus.org (Mikell Vanderlaan) Subject: Unisys 22403 emulation Keywords: xterm term emulation Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 11 Has anyone seen source to an xterm package ready to perform UNISYS 22403 TERMINAL EMULATION. Got a clunker... and ... Got a connect! return: mikell@cactus.org -- ////////////////////////////mikell@cactus.org///////////////////////// ////////////////////Calame Linebarger Graham & Pena/////////////////// //////////////////////////////Attys AT Law//////////////////////////// " 1276,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 22 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . A typical example of seep-minded thinking. We all know that David Sternlight is a jerk, but I'm afraid that in this case 90% of the population will think like him. Realize it guys - NSA, Dorothy Denning, and the US government have already won the battle... Unless... unless you succeed to wake up the people... but nah, that's too unlikely... The events are happening too fast, cryptography is a too sophisticated issue, and almost nobody cares anyway... A few thousand of net.readers won't make the difference, if millions are caught asleep... Too sad... :-((((( Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 1277,18,"From: DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: SouthWest Mo State Univ Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 >>In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>>In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>>> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower >>>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>>> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine >>>> legality. >>> >>> Why not? >> >>Where do they get these people?! I really don't want to waste time in >>here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >>can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! You think that you all have it bad....here at good ol' Southwest Missouri State U., we have 2 parties running for student body president. There's the token sorority/fraternity faces, and then there's the president and vice president of NORML. They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing their qualifications as,""I listen really well."" It makes me sick to have a party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like they are. I think I'll run next year.:( Darin J Keener, dak988s@vma.smsu.edu PC-the idea that catering to splinter groups is the way to go. " 1278,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article <1pcl6i$e4i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@vanilla.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan) writes: >In a previous article, groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu said: >= azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >= >= >2) Why do they ride Harleys? >= >= 'cause we can. >= > > you sure are lucky! i am told that there are very few people out > there who can actually get their harley to ride ;-) (the name tod > johnson jumps to the indiscreet mind... laz whats it you used to > ride???). > > >-- >----------_________----------_________----------_________----------_________ >sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI > end and flames at the other. (C). | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;) >__________---------__________---------__________---------__________--------- Hi, Ravi If you need a Harley, we have lots to spare here. All the yuppies bought 'the best' a couple of years ago to pose at the (s)wine bar. They 'rode a mile and walked the rest'. Called a taxi home and went back to the porsche. So there's are loads going cheap with about 1 1/2 miles on the clock (takes a while to coast to a halt). Cheers Andy P.S. You get a better class of people on GS500's anyway " 1279,10,"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar Subject: Barasso - the cheap shot master? Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu After watching the Pengiuns all year (and as many other teams as possible), I've really noticed an increase in Tom Barasso's cheap shots this year (and not noticed a corrsponding increase with other goaltenders). I've also noticed that he usually gets away with it. Just as examples last night, I noticed him elbowing Scott Stevens in the head, which basically started the whole shoving match that got Stevens (Scott) and Tocchet 2 minute minors. He also KICKED John McLean. Of course he wasn't called for that. Isn't kicking an automatic match penalty and 10 game suspension? I think Glenn Anderson got one a few years ago for kicking Gaetan Duchesne in the chest. There's no doubt in my mind that Barasso is the dirtiest golatender since Hextall. He's also very good. How about that Tocchet head-butt? Is there an automatic susppension that goes along with a (non-kicking) match penalty? I can't remember anymore. Oh, the playoffs should be fun, Ralph " 1280,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 10 In article <23APR199317452695@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) writes: > - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist > language) ... Glad to see Griffin is spending his time on engineering rather than on ritual purification of the language. Pity he got stuck with the turkey rather than one of the sensible options. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 1281,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 66 Brian Kendig writes: > Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given > it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is > the blood that makes atonement for the soul. > >The Old Testament was very big on the ""eye for an eye"" business. It >makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to ""repay"" >moral wrongdoing. Brian K., guess what? You missed the point. On a scale from cold to hot, you are at 0 degrees Kelvin. >I know about sanctification. I've been taught all about it in Sunday >school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all >that, I still can't accept it. Maybe I'm still not understanding it, >or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well. Then as you understand it, what is it? >From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent >man is wrong. Yes. I agree with that. But what does that have to do with Jesus? Punishment you say? Jesus did not regard his death as punishment. >I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years >to accept it, but I just can't. Good. I wouldn't either--not the way you understand it. >If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, >then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. >Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments >before, and they just don't convince me. Ask Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It isn't a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for a persuasive argument. Read Jesus's own reply to your question. Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that we would ""stop doubting and believe"" (John 21:27). The fact that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. Without this obvious point, I would have no hope and my faith would be vanity. Why did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus says why in John 15:18-25. That's no mystery either. ""The world hates him without reason."" It is a direct proclamation of how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we need a Saviour. And why can't you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? ""The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him."" (John 14:17). The animosity and the lack of knowledge that comes out in your twistings of Robert's daily verses is very convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25. I pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of knowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank God that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I'd also be bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very Person who created me and who loves me. " 1282,1,"From: pbenson@ecst.csuchico.edu (Paul A. Benson) Subject: CD-ROM Indexes available Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu The file and contents listings for: Knowledge Media Resource Library: Graphics 1 Knowledge Media Resource Library: Audio 1 are now available for anonymous FTP from cdrom.com " 1283,8,"From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 46 MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes: > In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours > > after you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink > > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow""? > > 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks. > 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks. > 2 hours/drink for the rest. I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago. (What the hey- my employer paid for it...) We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze and a 195 pound person in mind. Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140, I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned above. Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151... Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car. I may only have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride. Pretty simple. > > These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to > have a low tolerance or body mass. > I think the cops and ""Don't You Dare Drink & Drive"" (tm) commercials will > usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you > could very well be over the legal limit. > Watch yourself. > -Mike Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer, even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and ""safe"" in your cage... > ________________________________________________ > / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes, > \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear. -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 " 1284,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: >So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act >>to be moral one? >I like to think that many things are possible. Explain to me >how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... >>That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality, >>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard >>it? >Weaker than that. There must be the possibility that the >organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can >consider alternatives. So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other beings mimics theirs? And, how much emphasis do you place on intelligence? Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but they don't. Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? keith " 1285,4,"From: dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley) Subject: Re: SE rom Organization: wyvern.com Lines: 31 seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes: >In article , wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes: >> >> Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable >> about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply >> impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could >> someone armed with enough info and a little pro- >> gramming experience cook something up that would >> supplement the ROM's capabilities? >To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped >with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's >not mentioned in ""Apple Facts"" (guide for apple sellers), in the >press release or in the technical specs. >Sean I think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded with the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on its screen or any attached video because that ability is not in the ROM. So, while you might be able to PRINT grayscale, you'd have a hard time SEEING the grayscale image you want to print. Doug -- This Signature Under Construction -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wyvern Technologies | Tidewater's Premier Online Information System | (804) 627-1818, login guest, password guest to register " 1286,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 8 Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: : Nice cop out bill. I'm sure you're right, but I have no idea to what you refer. Would you mind explaining how I copped out? Bill " 1287,5,"From: Bill.Kayser@delft.SGp.slb.COM (Bill Kayser) Subject: Re: gadgets vs widgets Article-I.D.: parsival.199304060609.AA00309 Organization: The Internet Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > > > Motif managers take a very simplistic approach to the way they handle events > > for gadgets: they track for all events(such as Motion Notify) wether or not > > the gadget expresses interest in the events. As a result, gadgets typically > > generate a great deal more network traffic. Those with X terminals might find > > a noticable network performance drop as a result. > > > > Really? What's the point using Gadgets then? > > It is a case of memory vs. network performance tradeoff. Gadgets > save both client and server memory. But memory is easily expandable while > network performance is not, so if I were designing Motif I would > at least make it *possible* to avoid using gadgets. At present you > really don't have a choice because Motif forces you to use gadgets > in menus and in various other places. > > Adrian Nye > O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps even 100% faster. I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well to use widgets everywhere. So why would ~50 pushbutton gadgets be a lot quicker than 50 pushbuttons in the graph? Should I start putting gadgets back into my long pulldown menus? XmGraph manages children connected by XmArc widgets in a directed network type graph with automatic layout capability. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Schlumberger Geco-Prakla Internet : kayser@delft.sgp.slb.com " 1288,2,"From: jeffj@krfiny.uucp (J. Jonas) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Summary: there are so many refill kits now ... Organization: Jeff's house of computer pieces Lines: 18 >thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: >: The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. I was at the Trenton Computer Fest and there were many sources of ink refills for the HP and Canon, so if you don't like the ink you're using, you have a choice. There is a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) list that's reposted occasionally that reports how to refill the cartridges yourself with inks that are available from the stationery store instead of a ""specialty"" ink with the specialty price. I'm not sure, but I think I found another legal source of cheap hypos for injecting ink into the cartridges. More on that when my mail order succeeds. -- Jeffrey Jonas jeffj@panix.com " 1289,12,From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) Subject: Wire-Amperage table needed Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Does anyone has a table about the size of the wire to the amount of current it can carry. Probably in the 1-15amp range. My friend is interested in converting a Mazda into an electric car. Needed information for estimation. Thanks in advance. p.s. any info on electric will be greatly appreaciated. 1290,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: For sale; Edmonton Oilers. Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 31 In article mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) writes: > >He was already offered $65 million for them from Northlands Coliseum >but refused the offer.... I don't think he is going to sale. I think he >may decide to move the team to the States though where he can draw >more revenue from the team. > Pocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political office, in Northlands, and in the business community that the Oilers with their current lease arrangement are in a state where on a yearly basis they will likely have an operating loss based on ""normal"" hockey revenues and expenses. That he did this was a good thing...it is better he complain early, and make the city aware of a potential looming crisis before he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars...which would truly jeopardize the franchise. Pocklington's first option is not to sell or to move, but to sell a minority share of the team (to realize some of the appreciated value of the team) and to get a better arena deal, either in Northlands, or via a new building. Pocklington probably isn't going to get exactly what he wants...but ultimately he will probably get enough, or will sell to someone who will probably get enough. There are a lot of risks in moving a team also... ...one has to remember ""Peter Puck's principle""...it is better to spend other people's money than one's own if at all possible. Gerald " 1291,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: Opinions asked about rejection Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 23 Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell. ME: ""Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"" HIM: ""I don't believe in Heaven."" ME: ""So are you going there?"" HIM: ""If there was a heaven, I would."" ME: ""But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"" HIM: ""No."" The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven, there's no way you're going to be in it. Of course, the next step is, ""I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I be there?"" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God. Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell. Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal, and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters. Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" Oakland University, Rochester, MI atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen Rushing in where angels fear to tread. " 1292,18,"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: Defense against the detractors... Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 93 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr2.021154.18039@colorado.edu>, ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes... >In article eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes: >>In <1993Apr1.141455.16433@colorado.edu>, ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU sez: >>> (I would have thought you would have found better means >>>of refuting or responding to the substantive points and information in >>>the S.B. >>The S.B. needs no refutation by me. The patent absurdity of your >>beloved Great Book speaks for itself. > Your ignorance is clearly showing itself again, Mark. > Why don't you read the post and show us all where the > Silver Bulletin is wrong. It is an expose' of the > corruption and fraud in government. Or do you feel > that our wonderful state is just nifty and sweet? Fine. If you think it's an expose of corruption and fraud, please prevent a jury question. Don't just reassert your opening statement. >. . . >>For those in the dark, I wrote to Teel's sysadmin noting that a) he >>wastes bandwidth by posting identical messages (long ones) to several >>newsgroups independently (instead of cross-posting), and b) he has >>improperly used his posts to advertise goods for sale. > A) I was requested to post to those groups > and they were getting deleted... By whom? > B) The ""goods for sale"" was a method of showing the > source and obtaining further info... > And the message in question was retrieved in its entirety > from the net. I simply reposted it from one year ago. > Would there be a complaint if I had posted an article from > ""Newsweek"" then posted the address and subscription price? > How about the subscription info for the American Law Review? > Bit of a double standard? Yeah... think so... No indication that was what happened until now. Editing down is always possible. >. . . >>Readers more careful than A.J. will note that the complaint (appended >>below) expressly disclaims any wish to suppress Teel's postings merely >>because they are infantile, irrational, and tedious. > More name calling, Mark? Is that your best shot? > Oh, I see. The reason for your sending that letter > had nothing to do with your opinion of my information... > Right. Clearly your motivations were the best interest > of all of those poor users who could not speak for themselves. > If we weren't talking about attempted censorship(sp?), it > would be funny... > Further, your ""perception"" (for want of a better term) is not > the feedback that I have been getting via email and others. > The ""keep it up!""'s outnumber the ""Go away!""'s at least 20 to 1. It would be interesting to hear who the responding parties are. > I, for one, have no intention of being a slave. You may > be so if you like. Just remember where you heard that > on Tribute Day (April 15). I am not a 14th Amendment > taxpayer/slave/SSN holder/etc. Are you? FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY: Don't let the IRS see this, Mr. Teel. >. . . . > And by the way, the reference to UCC 1-207 is made > in pari materia with my Common-Law Rights. 1-207 > is the recourse and 1-103 is the remedy. And, as has been noted more times than we care to count, about as likely to stand up in court as the twenty-seven eight by ten color glossy pictures the Stockbridge, Mass., police, took for use as evidence against Arlo Guthrie. (As anyone who knows Alice's Restaurant is aware, he pleaded guilty to littering, was fined $50, and told to pick up the garbage.) Daniel Reitman HOW NOT TO WRITE A DEED One case involved the construction of a conveyance to grantees ""jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest in said land, and to the survivor thereof, in fee simple. . . . To Have and to Hold the same unto the said parties hereto, equally, jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest for the period or term of their lives, and to the survivor thereof at the death of the other."" The court held that the survivorship provision indicated an intent to create a joint tenancy. Germain v. Delaine, 294 Ala. 443, 318 So.2d 681 (1975). " 1293,9,"From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam Subject: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu So far Simmons looks like a total idiot. 1) Zane Smith should learn how to ""switchpitch"" and return from the DL. I would rather have Zane Smith pitch right handed than have Moeller pitch at all. 2) I am sure Simmons was ready to say I told you so after Otto had an impressive win last week. NOw Otto's latest debacle has restored Simmon's reputation. Now he looks like he is back in his '92 form when he had the AL's highest ERA among starters. Four our sake(not Ted's sake), I hope he pitches with a 3.5 ERA for the rest of the season. Yeah, right. 3) Tomlin and Merced are a bit disappointing. They are still doing decently. BUt considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons, they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse. Tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters. Merced had a very good OBA his rookie year. He showed a lot of concentration at the plate in his rookie year. 4) Walk: Well, he seems to be on the losing end tonight. BUt I still think that Walk desrved his contract. 5) Leyland should accept a part of the blame for the LaValliere situation. I can't understand his and management's fear of losing Tom Prince through waivers. Even if they do, what's the use. He is aright hander like Slaught. Not a very smart platoon. Also, I am blaming Leyland in this case, since he is hcurrently convinced that LaVAlliere is through, while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season AND the playoffs(SLaught should have played in all 7 games; he has a good average against right handed pitching). Didn't Leyland and Simmons forsee this last year, and attempt to trade LaValliere last year itself? Any fool could tell them LaVAlliere wasn't very fit last year. 6) Dennis MOeller is SCARY!!! 7) Candeleria: Well, he is not going to have such a high ERA at the end of the season. Maybe it will be in 3-4 range. BUt $1 million plus? Come on. Other than the customary home run giving stage Patterson goes through for a few weeks, Patterson has served the PIrates very well each year. So far, he seems to have pitched well for the Rangers. I think the PIrates should have spent the money on Patterson in stead. 8) The Rookie batters: Well, Young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact. Other than that, their excellent performance hasn't been too much of a surprise. I think we should thank Doughty for that. 9) Rookie Pitchers: Worse than expected, especially Cooke. 10) Slaught: How come he wasn't given a contract extension last year? NOw his value has increased immensely. 11) Lonnie Smith!! Well, Eric Davis was signed for a comparable amount. Let's see. Eric can hit better. He can run better. He can field better. Now why didnt the PIrates go after Eric Davis. An injured Davis is better than a healthy Lonnie Smith. Even if Lonnnie Smith gets some big hits this year,he won't be an asset. He has looked terrible on the bases and in the field. 12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing. He seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot Danforth by preparing the team for a move to Tampa Bay. 13) Alex Cole fiasco. The PIrates infield and CF positions look good. The RF and LF would have looked good if we could have gotten Cole to replace two of the four outfielders. Eric Davis, Van Slyke and Cole would have made a very respectable outfield. Even without Eric Davis, thye PIrates would have a respectable outfield with Cole, SVan Slyke, and Merced(I think he should hit left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting). Simmons did have options for the outfield. Ironically, the biggest accomplishment of Simmon's tenure was getting Alex Cole really cheap. Too bad. 14) Compensatory draft picks for Bonds: Forget it. The pirates can rant and rave. they will not get those picks. As of now, the issue is still being appealed. Now, if this doesnt convince anyone that Simmons and Sauer are idiots, nothing else will. On a final note. Tim Wakefield won't be as awful as he was in his last 2 starts. BUt don't count on him pitching like last year for the rest of the season. Also, if the Pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the season, they will miss Redus's clutch hitting and his speed(he has peaked in the second half of the last 2 seasons)> -Pravin Ratnam " 1294,12,"From: jmains@engr.latech.edu (John P. Mains) Subject: Electrical Properties of ELASTOMERS Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 13 Distribution: usa Reply-To: jmains@engr.latech.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.engr.latech.edu Hello, I am looking for carbon-doped rubber. Or an highly elastic material that changes its resistivity, or some other electrical property when streched. If you could email me any info you may have on material names or companies that make the stuff it would be highly appreaciated. Thanx JP Biomedical Engineering Louisiana Tech University " 1295,7,"From: daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 12 Distribution: usa Reply-To: daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) NNTP-Posting-Host: l130b7.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu > they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next > year with all new models. Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. " 1296,4,"From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? Organization: dis Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu In article tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: >Ijust got a new Datadesk 101E keyboard to go with my new Centris 610 and have a >problem doing desktop rebuilds. I hold down the Command and Option keys and >restart but nothing happens. The DIP switches are set the right way and the >Command and Option keys seem to work on anything else. I'm running 7.1 btw. >Anyone know what the problem is? >-Terry I am resending this message because my news program may have goofed the first time. Terry, I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I don't remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard. The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell me if it works. I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them the keyboard and their technical support line is not toll free. tell me if you have a similar experience with them. -David Mirsky mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu " 1297,1,"From: Geoffrey_Hansen@mindlink.bc.ca (Geoffrey Hansen) Subject: Re: VESA on the Speedstar 24 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 12 Using the VMODE command, all you need to do is type VMODE VESA at the dos prompt. VMODE is included with the Speedstar 24. I have used the VESA mode for autodesk animator pro. -- <=================================================| | geoffrey_hansen@mindlink.bc.ca | |=================================================> ""Inumerable confusions and a feeling of despair invariably emerge in periods of great technological and cultural transition."" Marshall McLuhan " 1298,10,"From: wong@fraser.sfu.ca (Sam S. Wong) Subject: Re: Mogilny must be benched. Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 21 dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >Actually this stuff from Mogilny doesn't surprise me all that much. About 4 >or 5 weeks ago I read in the Toronto Sun a quote from Alex; it went something >like [sarcastically]: >""Yep, Patty's the man. He's responsible for the team's success...I'm a >nobody around here."" >I was going to post it at the time...I must have forgot since nobody else >Gee, kinda like Alex's spot on the team, isn't it? How can you assume it was a sarcastic remark? For someone whose first language is not English, I would interpret that comment to mean that he believes Pat is the MVP on the team and that he is just one of the other normal players. Quite modest I might say. " 1299,15,"From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Help Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 87 > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know > that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet > hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, > do you still think that just believing is enough?' [Stuff deleted] > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) > as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James > in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' > > Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. Will, there has been a lot of discussion going on about this over in s.r.c.b-s. I will make the case here though and try to help you out: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9). Yes, it is by God's grace and our faith that we are saved. We are not saved by what we do. However, 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15). Keeping Christ's commandments is a ""work"" per se, and a demonstration of our love for him. Also, 6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. (Luke 13:6-9). Again, 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. (John 15:16). It is clear from these verses that we are called to bring forth fruit. What is that fruit. Well, Paul speaks of the fruit of the spirit being love, joy, peace, patience, etc. All of these are things that are manifest in the actions that we carry out. If a person claims to believe in Jesus Christ, but does not do the things Christ commanded, I dare say, that they really don't have any faith. Asking which is more important, faith or works, is like asking which blade on a pair of scissors is most important or like asking which leg of your pants is more important. Good works should come out of and be a result of our faith. To have faith, true faith in Christ requires you to do what he commands. The parable above speaks allegorically of a person who does bear no fruit. Christs commands are actions, and if we don't do those actions and produce fruit, then we shall be uprooted just like the tree. It is a dead and useless faith which has no action behind it. Actions prove our faith and show the genuineness of it. I can sit and talk for days about the fact that I have so much faith in my ability to jump off a building and not hit the ground. In other words, I can sit and tell you all day long that I have faith in my ability to fly. I really don't have that faith though unless I am willing to jump off the roof and take the test. Words and talk mean nothing. I could go on and give more scriptures and if people want me to I will, but this should be sufficient. Hope it helped. Jon ---------------- sig file broken.... please try later... ---------------- " 1300,9,"From: schaefer@owlnet.rice.edu (Andrew James Schaefer) Subject: Re: Best Sportwriters... Keywords: Sportswriters Organization: Rice University Lines: 31 In article rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Bighelmet) writes: >csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > > >>Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting??? > >I happen to be a big fan of Jayson Stark. He is a baseball writer for the >Philadelphia Inquirer. Every tuesday he writes a ""Week in Review"" column. >He writes about unusual situations that occured during the week. Unusual >stats. He has a section called ""Kinerisms of the Week"" which are stupid >lines by Mets brodcaster Ralph Kiner. Every year he has the LGTGAH contest. >That stands for ""Last guy to get a hit."" He also writes for Baseball >America. That column is sort of a highlights of ""Week in Review."" If you >can, check his column out sometime. He might make you laugh. > >Rob Koffler Isn't Stark that idiot who writes in Baseball America? Twice a month he writes a ""Who woulda thunk it"" article which is really the same piece every time. ""Who would have thought that [Buddy Biancalana] would have more home runs than [the Colorado Rockies, Babe Ruth, Omar Vizquel and Nolan Ryan] COMBINED!"" He's an idiot, if it's the same guy. > >-- >****************************************************************** >|You live day to day and rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu| >|dream about tomorrow --Don Henley | >****************************************************************** Andrew " 1301,16,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 11 Though I agree this is not the place to discuss guns, I note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words ""well regulated"" in their distorted interpretations of the Second Amendment. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 1302,9,"From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West) Subject: Re: Dean Palmer Hurt? Nntp-Posting-Host: swan.esd.dl.nec.com Organization: Engineering and Support Division, NEC America, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 14 Edward Ouellette (edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : I think Dean got hit by a pitched ball the other night... he got pinch hit for : and didn't play against Baltimore tonight... whats up with that? Is he hurt? : Please tell me he's not... He evidentally got hit in the elbow by a Fernando pitch. His arm swelled from the elbow to the wrist (or something like that). They took X-rays of the arm and there is nothing damaged. He missed the last game with the Orioles, but he is suppose to be ready for the next game. Hope this helps. Mike West west@esd.dl.nec.com " 1303,3,"From: perry@wswiop13.win.tue.nl (Perry Egelmeers) Subject: Will somebody create a Messie DOS 6.0 FAQ, please? (Was: Dos 6.0 question) Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: wswiop13.win.tue.nl Hi there, I think it is time to create a MS DOS 6.0 FAQ since lots of questions about it are actually flooding the net. I won't be able to write it my self because of the lack of time/knowledge/experience. Perry Egelmeers " 1304,11,"From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 44 In article schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) writes: >In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >> >>Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable >>one: Make it voluntary. >> >>That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree >>to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. >> > >As long as ""you are on your own"" means that you can use your own encryption, >I'm sold. > >Bruce As am I If ""high quality secure NSA classified technology"" means handing my key over to whomever, I'll take PGP any day. Right now they are billing it as voluntary, i.e. bend over, here it comes. As soon as enough Wiretap chip based units are out there, how much easier do you think it will be to redefine ""on your own"" to mean write it yourself and don't even THINK about distributing it...? Get honest, no one is going to buy this trash if they KNOW it's compromised already, and less will buy it if the algorithm is not disclosed. The NSA knows that making this stuff available to the public means handing it to whatever foreign powers are interested in the process. Since when has export control stopped anyone (especially software wise) Ask yourself carefully if "" high quality secure NSA classified technology "" is something they are going to hand out. Not unless you can drive a NSA van through the holes. uni (Dark) -- uni@acs.bu.edu -> Public Keys by finger and/or request Public Key Archives at DF610670F2467B99 97DE2B5C3749148C Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past. Cryptography is not a crime. Fight the Big Brother Proposal! " 1305,13,"From: melewitt@cs.sandia.gov (Martin E. Lewitt) Subject: Re: Altitude adjustment Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr22.055958.2377 Organization: nCUBE, Sandia Park, NM Lines: 31 In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes: >I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities >quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 >feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... > >Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and >my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very >dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep >away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. > >Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there >(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? >Is there something else that I could do? I saw a Lifetime Medical Television show a few months back on travel medicine. It briefly mentioned some drugs which when started two or three days before getting to altitude could assist in acclimitazation. Unfortunately all that I can recall is that the drug stimulated breathing at night??? I don't know if that makes sense, it seems to me that the new drug which stimulates red blood cell production would be a more logical approach, erythropoiten (sp?). Alas, I didn't record the program, but wish I had, since I live at over 7000ft. and my mother gets sick when visiting. Please let me know if you get more informative responses. -- Phone: (505) 845-7561 Martin E. Lewitt My opinions are Domain: lewitt@ncube.COM P.O. Box 513 my own, not my Sandia: melewitt@cs.sandia.GOV Sandia Park, NM 87047-0513 employer's. " 1306,8,"From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 53 In article dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes: >In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes: >> Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. >> Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 >> >>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let >>us know how it goes. >> > Daniel Matejka writes: > The fourth edition is out, too. But it's probably also not >very high on UCB's ""gotta have that"" list. > >In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes: >>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by >>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road. The >>officer stated ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down >>highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75."" I just said okay, >>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. > > Can you beat this ticket? Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen >to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up >and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon. Right on, it is every citizen's right and duty to FORCE government accountability. (anecdotes deleted) > I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken. I did get to see >some other poor biker try it. He was mixing up various facts like >the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which >the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't >possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested. He'd >brought diagrams and a calculator. He was Prepared. He lost. Keep >in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours. Also keep in mind that cops will LIE in court to get their way! (don't get me started by asking how I know ;) If you decide to fight you have to be ready for this as well as devise strategy to make the cop's story doubtful in the judge/jury's mind. >Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time. >Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely >confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been >recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota. > Ahem. OK, I'm better now. Maybe he'd have won had his presentation >been more polished. Maybe not. He did get applause. |~~~~~| |_____| Ed McFarland ewm@mvuzr.att.com (_) /| US Marshalls #9 (corner marshals) /| |/ The best seat in the house to watch |_| motorcycle roadracing! / \ NO Passing on Waving Yellow " 1307,6,"From: loyd@seq.uncwil.edu (David Loyd) Subject: Sci Fi books for sale! Best Offer! Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington Lines: 52 I would like to sell the following sci-fi books at Best Offer. If you are interested, please email an offer and be sure to include shipping and handling. I prefer not to ship COD but if you purchase $25 or more, I will consider. Han Solo and the Lost Legacy Han Solo's Revenge Han Solo at Stars End Splinter in the Minds Eye The Empire Strikes Back Star Wars Star Trek: The Motion Picture Star Trek: Wrath of Kahn The Official Star Trek Trivia Book Star Trek Reader Vol I Star Trek Reader Vol II These are the book form of the Star Trek Reader Vol III Original TV Series Star Trek Reader Vol IV Dune Dune Messiah Children of Dune God Emperor of Dune Altered States Alien Close Encounters of the Third Kind DragonSlayer The Mists of Avalon The Compleat Book of Sowrds The Lost Swords 2001: A Space Odyssey 2010: Odyssey II 2061: Odyssey III Barlowes Complete Guide to ExtraTresstials Again, best offer and don't be shy. Thanks -- loyd@seq.uncwil.edu Amiga 2000 Tower 144 Megs HD Space VXL 40mhz '030 w/ 33 mhz FPU 8 megs 32 bit Ram Supra 2400ZI+ Modem Sony KV-1311CR Monitor Wangtek 60meg TB " 1308,3,"From: korenek@ferranti.com (gary korenek) Subject: Re: 80486DX-50 vs 80486DX2-50 Organization: Network Management Technology Inc. Lines: 26 In article <1qd5bcINNmep@golem.wcc.govt.nz> hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Michael Hamilton) writes: >I have definitly seen a >mother board with 2 local bus slots which claimed to be able to >support any CPU, including the DX2/66 and DX50. Can someone throw >some more informed light on this issue? >[...] >Michael Hamilton Some motherboards support VL bus and 50-DX CPU. There is an option (BIOS I think) where additional wait(s) can be added with regard to CPU/VL bus transactions. This slows the CPU down to a rate that gives the VL bus device(s) time to 'do their thing'. These particular wait(s) are applied when the CPU transacts with VL bus device(s). You want to enable these wait(s) only if you are using a 50-DX with VL bus devices. This is from reading my motherboard manual, and these are my interpre- tations. Your mileage may vary. Strictly speaking, VL and 50mhz are not compatable. And, there is at least one 'fudge' mechanism to physically allow it to work. -- Gary Korenek (korenek@ferranti.com) Network Management Technology Incorporated (formerly Ferranti International Controls Corp.) Sugar Land, Texas (713)274-5357 " 1309,19,"From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu In article dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes: >>Dear Brother Bill, >> >>One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just >>wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take? > > So do you want the president to specifically order each and every activity >of the FBI, or what? And how willing are you to blame Reagan and Bush, >directly, for the incidents that took place in the War on Drugs in their >administration? Are you going to blame Bush for the fact that Weaver's wife, >infant, son were killed? It happened while he was president. ... or consider the thousands in Central America killed by those brave CIA/NSC sponsored ""Freedom Fighters."" Thus far, Slick Willie is a piker. spl -- Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 ""My other car is a car, too."" - Bumper strip seen on I-805 " 1310,12,"From: ardai@wizard.atb.teradyne.com (Michael Ardai) Subject: Re: Source for carbide pc board drills? Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA Lines: 18 In article Mike Diack writes: -In article , pvr@wang.com writes: -> Who sells the special carbide drills used to drill pc boards? ->I am looking for sizes smaller than #60, #65 or #70 would be good. -best deal i ever saw on carbides was at ELI electronics - Cambridge -Mass. Quite close to MIT, #70 drills @ $5.00 for a box of 50. ELI are -in the Boston fone book. Actually, I think they are all #57. Their phone number is 617 547 5005 and I will probably have some over at the MIT Flea this Sunday. /mike -- \|/ Michael L. Ardai N1IST Teradyne ATG Boston --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- /|\ ardai@maven.dnet.teradyne.com " 1311,7,"From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) Subject: Re: How hard to change springs on F350 truck? Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California Lines: 88 Bottom line: I did it and it worked. Some 'tips and techniques' are included here: In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.005245.10615@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes: >>Does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a Ford >>F350 truck? This is a 4x4 with leaf springs front and rear. >> >>So, with a big socket and an air wrench and a floor jack (and a >>hydrolic bottle jack ...) can I do this at home? I found that I needed some smaller sockets to undo the shocks. And a can of WD40 helped... The sockets needed were metric (exact fit) but I was able to use some SAE sockets... 13/16 and 15/16 are rather close to 21 and 24mm... It CAN be fun having a Canadian Ford ... >>I'm pictureing this: Undo U bolts. Put a bottle jack on the axle >>and raise the bed/frame to take stress off of the leaf spring. Undo >>the end bolts/bushings. Drop the spring. Turn the bottom leaf. >>Re-connect the spring bolts... > >Sounds about right. Didn't have to undo the end bolts/bushings. Just the 2 U bolts on each side and the shock absorber. Jacking up the frame some more (had to put the spare tire on the garage floor and put a wooden platform on top of that to get the 'floor jack' high enough to raise the frame ... I't one TALLL truck...) lifted the spring free of the axel. Taking out the block gave me enough room to undo the pin holding the spring pack together. The spring pack was held together with a nut on top and a round head on the other end.... No wrench head... Vice Grips worked fine... I soaked the nut with WD40 and it came right off. Flipped the bottom spring and then... >>Is this a nightmare waiting to happen, or an easy, though physically >>demanding, thing to do? > >Well, it's easier than doing a decent trigger job on a 1911A1 :-) >(OK, well, maybe it's not _that_ easy, but it's not terribly >difficult.) I donno ... I'm a little more sore today than after working on a 1911A1 ... A 1.5 foot pipe cheater was a real help. Torque spec for the U bolt nuts is 150 to 200 ft-lbs (!). A 1911-A1 doesn't have that kind of torque spec ... It was a 'challenge' to get the 'pack bolt' back in the spring pack. Squeeze pack with two hands, hold bolt with third, put nut on with fourth while picking up wrench and vice grips with fifth and sixth hands ... I used some string to tie the pack together while holding the pin in for alignment... then I could let go to get the {nut, wrench, Vice Grips...}. Getting the pin back lined up with the lift block was a challenge too... until I discovered that the axel had 1) Tilted and/or 2) rolled forward. One the drivers side, a bottle jack under the front of the differential tilted it back in line enough for the pin head to drop into the right hole. On the passenger side, I had to wrestle the wheel into rolling forward about 1/2 inch to get things to line up. Spent more than an hour working on getting the pin head into the hole in the lift block with levers and ropes and impliments of distruction before I took a break and thought about WHY it wasn't lined up anymore (since it HAD been lined up before, and *I* didn't move it, something ELSE must have ... hmmm, axle no longer constrained not to move ... hmmm, move it back... hmmm...). After that, it was all much easier to 'close up'. BTW, the ride is now softer, but not quite as soft as I was hoping for. At least it now sits level.. -- E. Michael Smith ems@apple.COM 'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it.' - Goethe I am not responsible nor is anyone else. Everything is disclaimed. " 1312,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 31 In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >>In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that >> ^^^^^ >>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? >>> >>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. > > Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King. From many >of the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective >is commonly in front of his name. I have NEVER seen anyone complain about >the use of this adjective when used in a benign manner. I did not say that >Mr. King was a no good black! I do not know Mr. King and would not make this >ascertian without some evidence to this effect. I used it PURELY as a >descriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have >used it in the past. No one is questioning whether Mr. King is black. The question arises whether King's race should make police officers ""afraid as hell."" Your statement seems to imply that cops should have a different standard for large black guys than for just large guys in general. That two posts later you don't understand why anyone pointed out your use of the adjective is almost as informative as your original use. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 1313,8,From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes: >Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride >on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work. > Thanks > 84wendel@cua.edu If a large Malmute counts then yes someone has heard(and seen) such an irresponsible childish stunt. The dog needed assistance straightening out once on board. The owner would lift the front legs of dog and throw them over the driver/pilots shoulders. Said dog would get shit eating grin on its face and away they'd go. The dogs ass was firmly planted on the seat. My dog and this dog actively seek each other out at camping party's. They hate each other. I think it's something personal. ================================================================================ Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. ================================================================================ 1314,8,"From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) Subject: New DoD listing. Membership is at 1148 Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group Lines: 23 There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands: finger motohead@cs.colorado.edu OR mail motohead@cs.colorado.edu If you send mail make sure your ""From"" line is correct (ie ""man vacation""). I will not try at all to fix mail problems (unless they are mine ;-). And I may just publicly tell the world what a bad mailer you have. I do scan the mail to find bounces but I will not waste my time answering your questions or requests. For those of you that want to update your entry or get a # contact the KotL. Only the KotL can make changes. SO STOP BOTHERING ME WITH INANE MAIL I will not tell what ""DoD"" is! Ask rec.motorcycles. I do not give out the #'s. Laszlo Nemeth laszlo@cs.colorado.edu ""hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)."" From elef@Sun.COM ""Flashbacks = free drugs."" DoD #0666 UID #1999 " 1315,13,"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) Subject: Placebo effects Lines: 17 I know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or even gets better because of his/her belief in the medicine and the doctor administering it. Is there also an anti-placebo effect where the patient dislikes/distrusts doctors and medicine and therefore doesn't get better or feel better in spite of the medicine? Is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he/she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is? If so, what is this effect called? Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesn't believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is? What would this effect be called? Have these effects ever been studied? How common are these effects? Thank you in advance for all replies. ... Information is very valuable but dis-information is MUCH more common. " 1316,19,"From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Lines: 14 Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell In article <1r1u5t$595@lm1.oryx.com>, xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes: > : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed > : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the > : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out > : the rest the hard way. > : > > Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. I suppose these illegal guns have been found? I suppose he was going to kill a bunch of people with them? --Ray Cote There's no government like no government. " 1317,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: OB-GYN residency Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 13 [reply to geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)] >>I believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against FMGs. >Is that true? I know some that won't even interview FMGs. I think a case could be made that this is discriminatory, particularly if an applicant had good board scores and recommendations but wasn't offered an interview, but I don't know if it has ever gone to court. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 1318,12,"From: bryan@philips.oz.au (Bryan Ryan) Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) Lines: 28 spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes: >> Hello again, >> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking. >> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 >Jeff, just use the damned 373. Sure, there are oddball >latched memory chips, but do you really want to use them? >Sorry if I'm pedantic but: design your circuit using >reasonably available parts, and move on to more important >problems. We're looking at a series of chips by WSI, the PSD3xx series. They have _mega_ address decoding logic on them, various ROM sizes (upto 1Mbit), various RAM sizes (upto 16 K), and 19 I/O ports which can be chip select lines, I/O or the buffered address lines. Cute chip, 44 pin PLCC package. Second sourcing may be a problem though :-( Bryan Ryan, VK3TKX Melbourne, Australia bryan@philips.oz.au " 1319,6,"Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Joseph Dresnok III Subject: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade! Lines: 7 I have an unopened CD called ""Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie Parker"" It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young. I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in. joe " 1320,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com> Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says: > >Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit >by a Designated Hitter, Jewish?? i have no idea, nor do i care. however, i'd like to point out that blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter, and the first walk by a designated hitter. i am not sure, but i do not think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter. bob vesterman. " 1321,3,"From: lmebold@sgcl1.unisg.ch Subject: Re: ISA to EISA Distribution: comp Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland Lines: 30 In article <9APR199312315727@envmsa.eas.asu.edu>, firman@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (B B S) writes: > In article , casey@grace.wharton.upenn.edu (Shawn Casey) writes... >>Hello, >> >>I have a question for anyone that may be familiar with ISA and EISA sytem >>configurations. >> >>1) After I switch the ISA boards into the EISA board (all of the cards are >>ISA) the system seems to work with no problem what so ever. But some of the >>interupt problems that we had with the ISA board continue with the EISA board. >>Is it my understanding that the EISA board should be able to handle IRQ >>conficts when running windows. >> >> Problem: When running our network via telnet (tcp/ip) with windows >> running the system kicks us out of windows (IRQ confict within windows >> I assume). >> >>Also, are there any memory address problems that will happen when the >>boards are switched (base memory that is). > > As far as I know, if you are using EISA mother board, you have to use also > EISA cards or else your computer system will be slower than when you're > using ISA board with ISA cards. > -Bill That's nonsense!! You can use ISA cards in an EISA-system without problem and at the same speed as in an ISA system!! -Luke " 1322,13,"From: pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 11 My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, etc...) Thank you, Dave Carvell pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu " 1323,5,"Subject: MIT R5 on Sun with Rasterops TC Colorboard From: mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mark Davies) Distribution: world Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz Lines: 9 Is it possible to run an MIT R5 based Xserver on a Sun with a Rasterops TC Colorboard (24bit board)? I have the Xsun24 patches for supporting sun's 24bit frame buffers but does the rasterops appear as if its a cgtwelve or something else? I know nothing about the rasterops other than we might be buying one to put in an IPX. cheers mark " 1324,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <1qvff6INN9p4@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) says: > >In article <93109.172450U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz >[...] > >> It is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up >> the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on >the >> gang thing. Everyone else seemed to just skim by that part. >> >> Jason > > >I guess that just means ""Everyone else"" was mistaken? > >Jim > >jmd@handheld.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >- Actually not Jim. I just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by that part and not mentioned it. You can get whatever meaning you want from it. Jason " 1325,2,"From: theroo@med.unc.edu (Bron D. Skinner Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Nntp-Posting-Host: pelham.med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr23.140123.5018@cti.com> rlister@cti.com (Russell Lister) writes: >ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: > >>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? > >>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! > > I had the same problem. At first, I thought it was the video driver and > made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most > evident at SVGA resolution modes. It didn't help and after a bit of > experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA > resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable. > > My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It > worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications. On the > guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed > a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it. That solved the problem. > So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer > one. > Another alternative is to clean the mouse you've got. Sometimes the rollers inside the mouse pick up a ball of lint or other debris. Open the bottom of the mouse, take out the ball and use some alcohol on a Q-tip to clean it out. Inspect the inside for any hairs or fuzz. I have had my mouse get real jumpy and cleared up the problem with this procedure. " 1326,1,"From: louis@loa.citilille.fr (Louis Gonzalez 20-43-41-19) Subject: SPHINX: Satellite Image Processing under X11 Organization: Universite des Sciences et Technologie de LILLE, France Lines: 106 NNTP-Posting-Host: loasil.citilille.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] **************************** SPHINX *************************** Sphinx is a user-friendly, state-of-the-art image processing and analysis package that runs across a spectrum of high performance computer platforms operating UNIX and the X-Window System. It was created to meet to the daily research needs of scientists conducting climate investigations using satellite data and remote sensing techniques. Intuitive Graphic Interface Sphinx features an interactive interface with pop-up menus and point-and-click dialog boxes which makes image processing and analysis simple and fast. This accessible menuing enables you to build attractive image layouts quickly while also providing you the flexibility of returning to the main menu to conduct other image analysis and processing operations. Image Format Compatibility Using smart read/write functions, Sphinx allows you to easily open and save image files in a variety of formats using bit, integer or real data values. Sphinx also reads and writes the common TIFF and GIF formats as well as compresses and decompresses image formats to save disk space. Image Analysis & Processing For image and pixel analysis, the Sphinx package includes an assortment of processing tools that perform useful statistical and mathematical filtering operations, such as Fourier transforms, convolution product or principal component analyses. An interactive interpreter for both algebraic equations and images allows the user to manipulate and combine individual data channels interactively. Standard FORTRAN notation is used for formula entry and for trig onometric and transcendental functions. Satellite Spectra & Orbit Analysis Sphinx possesses functions to simulate satellite signal sensitivity for various meteorological satellites (e.g., GOES, METEOSAT, NOAA, Spot etc.). The simulations are conducted for a selection of standard atmospheric and surface conditions and instrument spectral bands. A geometry model computes the solar zenith angles, warping, orbit simulation, and 3-D image projection. Easy External Program Interfacing Sphinx allows users the flexibility to integrate externally developed software algorithms for processing and converting satellite observations. Sphinx exports and imports image files and image parameters to external programs using special interface functions. Quick Quality Presentation Sphinx rapidly displays, manipulates, and enhances high-resolution multispectral images and color tables. Using six 8-bit 1024x1024 image planes and one graphics plane, the package conveniently combines color images, graphics and text to generate sharp digital images for articles and reports. Sphinx's 2-D and 3-D graphics editor provides complete flexibility for modifying and integrating vector graphics and analysis plots with images, such as histograms and radial graphs. The package supplies color and gray scale output for standard inkjet and laser printers. Other Capabilities Sphinx also performs image animation, external graphics importing, mosaic fitting... what else? Software Support & Development Sphinx was developed at the Laboratoire d'Optique Atmospherique (LOA) of the Universite de Lille, France. The package has received critical feedback and support from scientists at the French national laboratory, Centre National de Recherche Scientifique (CNRS), and the French space agency, Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES). At LOA, Sphinx undergoes continued refinement and development to meet changing research needs and advances in computer technology. The package, which features on-line help, is supported by an Internet address sphinx@loasil.citilille.fr through which questions can be answered and version updates provided without delay. Performance Tested CNES has selected Sphinx to analyze and process the satellite data collected during the upcoming ADEOS/POLDER satellite mission. Today, the Sphinx package is in use at the NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center and is widely used in many French laboratories, including the Centre de Recherche en Physique de l'Environnement, Ecole Normale Superieure , Laboratoire d' Etudes et de Recherches en Teledetection Spatiale, Laboratoire de Meteorologie Dynamique. A TEST VERSION OF SPHINX IS AVAILABLE AT loasil.citilille.fr (134.206.50.4) anonymous (bin : cd SPHINX : get ALL_SPHINX.tar.Z) IN THE TEST VERSION THE OUTPUT FILES ARE DISABLE. HOWEVER THE VISUALISATION AND GRAPHIC FUNCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE. THIS IS SUFFICIENT TO WORK WITH. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN KEEPING ""SPHINX"", SEND US YOUR EMAIL AND YOU WILL RECEIVE NEWS ABOUT THE PACKAGE EVOLUTION. THE SOFTWARE IS CHANGING WITH USER SUGGESTIONS WE WILL APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. " 1327,4,"Organization: University of Maine System From: Jon Carr Subject: Re: Accelerator for SE Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.114602.27275@ifi.uio.no>, oec@ifi.uio.no (\ystein Christiansen) says: > >Has anyone out there in netland any experience with accelerators >for SE? I am specially interested in: > - speed up rate (% or compared to e.g. SE/30) > - need for new SIMMs (speed in ns) > - maximum RAM after upgrade > - compatibility (I am mainly using FrameMaker) > - can I use an additional, big b&w screen (15"" to 21"") > - can I install the accellerator myself (no soldering) > - price/where to buy > I have no experience with this particular hardware, but just about every month in Macworld there is an add for an combined SE accelerator/Video board. This item sells for about $1000 and comes with a 25MHz 68030/68882 pair, eight SIMM slots, and a grayscale 21"" monitor. This accelerator plugs into the SE's lone expansion port and thus no soldering. You will however, need a long TORX wrench to get the case open (but that's not really a big deal). Does that sound like what you were looking for? -----> Jon Jon Carr -----> IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU UMaine '93 1993 NCAA Champions! How about those 42-1-2 Black Bears!! M - A - I - N - E - GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!! " 1328,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 06/15 - Constants and Equations Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Article-I.D.: cs.constants_733694246 Expires: 6 May 1993 19:57:26 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 189 Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Archive-name: space/constants Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:04 $ CONSTANTS AND EQUATIONS FOR CALCULATIONS This list was originally compiled by Dale Greer. Additions would be appreciated. Numbers in parentheses are approximations that will serve for most blue-skying purposes. Unix systems provide the 'units' program, useful in converting between different systems (metric/English, etc.) NUMBERS 7726 m/s (8000) -- Earth orbital velocity at 300 km altitude 3075 m/s (3000) -- Earth orbital velocity at 35786 km (geosync) 6371 km (6400) -- Mean radius of Earth 6378 km (6400) -- Equatorial radius of Earth 1738 km (1700) -- Mean radius of Moon 5.974e24 kg (6e24) -- Mass of Earth 7.348e22 kg (7e22) -- Mass of Moon 1.989e30 kg (2e30) -- Mass of Sun 3.986e14 m^3/s^2 (4e14) -- Gravitational constant times mass of Earth 4.903e12 m^3/s^2 (5e12) -- Gravitational constant times mass of Moon 1.327e20 m^3/s^2 (13e19) -- Gravitational constant times mass of Sun 384401 km ( 4e5) -- Mean Earth-Moon distance 1.496e11 m (15e10) -- Mean Earth-Sun distance (Astronomical Unit) 1 megaton (MT) TNT = about 4.2e15 J or the energy equivalent of about .05 kg (50 gm) of matter. Ref: J.R Williams, ""The Energy Level of Things"", Air Force Special Weapons Center (ARDC), Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, 1963. Also see ""The Effects of Nuclear Weapons"", compiled by S. Glasstone and P.J. Dolan, published by the US Department of Defense (obtain from the GPO). EQUATIONS Where d is distance, v is velocity, a is acceleration, t is time. Additional more specialized equations are available from: ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/MoreEquations For constant acceleration d = d0 + vt + .5at^2 v = v0 + at v^2 = 2ad Acceleration on a cylinder (space colony, etc.) of radius r and rotation period t: a = 4 pi**2 r / t^2 For circular Keplerian orbits where: Vc = velocity of a circular orbit Vesc = escape velocity M = Total mass of orbiting and orbited bodies G = Gravitational constant (defined below) u = G * M (can be measured much more accurately than G or M) K = -G * M / 2 / a r = radius of orbit (measured from center of mass of system) V = orbital velocity P = orbital period a = semimajor axis of orbit Vc = sqrt(M * G / r) Vesc = sqrt(2 * M * G / r) = sqrt(2) * Vc V^2 = u/a P = 2 pi/(Sqrt(u/a^3)) K = 1/2 V**2 - G * M / r (conservation of energy) The period of an eccentric orbit is the same as the period of a circular orbit with the same semi-major axis. Change in velocity required for a plane change of angle phi in a circular orbit: delta V = 2 sqrt(GM/r) sin (phi/2) Energy to put mass m into a circular orbit (ignores rotational velocity, which reduces the energy a bit). GMm (1/Re - 1/2Rcirc) Re = radius of the earth Rcirc = radius of the circular orbit. Classical rocket equation, where dv = change in velocity Isp = specific impulse of engine Ve = exhaust velocity x = reaction mass m1 = rocket mass excluding reaction mass g = 9.80665 m / s^2 Ve = Isp * g dv = Ve * ln((m1 + x) / m1) = Ve * ln((final mass) / (initial mass)) Relativistic rocket equation (constant acceleration) t (unaccelerated) = c/a * sinh(a*t/c) d = c**2/a * (cosh(a*t/c) - 1) v = c * tanh(a*t/c) Relativistic rocket with exhaust velocity Ve and mass ratio MR: at/c = Ve/c * ln(MR), or t (unaccelerated) = c/a * sinh(Ve/c * ln(MR)) d = c**2/a * (cosh(Ve/C * ln(MR)) - 1) v = c * tanh(Ve/C * ln(MR)) Converting from parallax to distance: d (in parsecs) = 1 / p (in arc seconds) d (in astronomical units) = 206265 / p Miscellaneous f=ma -- Force is mass times acceleration w=fd -- Work (energy) is force times distance Atmospheric density varies as exp(-mgz/kT) where z is altitude, m is molecular weight in kg of air, g is local acceleration of gravity, T is temperature, k is Bolztmann's constant. On Earth up to 100 km, d = d0*exp(-z*1.42e-4) where d is density, d0 is density at 0km, is approximately true, so d@12km (40000 ft) = d0*.18 d@9 km (30000 ft) = d0*.27 d@6 km (20000 ft) = d0*.43 d@3 km (10000 ft) = d0*.65 Atmospheric scale height Dry lapse rate (in km at emission level) (K/km) ------------------------- -------------- Earth 7.5 9.8 Mars 11 4.4 Venus 4.9 10.5 Titan 18 1.3 Jupiter 19 2.0 Saturn 37 0.7 Uranus 24 0.7 Neptune 21 0.8 Triton 8 1 Titius-Bode Law for approximating planetary distances: R(n) = 0.4 + 0.3 * 2^N Astronomical Units (N = -infinity for Mercury, 0 for Venus, 1 for Earth, etc.) This fits fairly well except for Neptune. CONSTANTS 6.62618e-34 J-s (7e-34) -- Planck's Constant ""h"" 1.054589e-34 J-s (1e-34) -- Planck's Constant / (2 * PI), ""h bar"" 1.3807e-23 J/K (1.4e-23) - Boltzmann's Constant ""k"" 5.6697e-8 W/m^2/K (6e-8) -- Stephan-Boltzmann Constant ""sigma"" 6.673e-11 N m^2/kg^2 (7e-11) -- Newton's Gravitational Constant ""G"" 0.0029 m K (3e-3) -- Wien's Constant ""sigma(W)"" 3.827e26 W (4e26) -- Luminosity of Sun 1370 W / m^2 (1400) -- Solar Constant (intensity at 1 AU) 6.96e8 m (7e8) -- radius of Sun 1738 km (2e3) -- radius of Moon 299792458 m/s (3e8) -- speed of light in vacuum ""c"" 9.46053e15 m (1e16) -- light year 206264.806 AU (2e5) -- \ 3.2616 light years (3) -- --> parsec 3.0856e16 m (3e16) -- / Black Hole radius (also called Schwarzschild Radius): 2GM/c^2, where G is Newton's Grav Constant, M is mass of BH, c is speed of light Things to add (somebody look them up!) Basic rocketry numbers & equations Aerodynamical stuff Energy to put a pound into orbit or accelerate to interstellar velocities. Non-circular cases? NEXT: FAQ #7/15 - Astronomical Mnemonics " 1329,5,"From: theslim@anathema.engin.umich.edu (Eric Michael Slimko) Subject: Real-Time Data Display Tool Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: anathema.engin.umich.edu Originator: theslim@anathema.engin.umich.edu Hi, I'm looking for a X-Windows tool that can display data (in a 2D plot) in real time with a couple different signals. Anybody know of such a gem? Please Email me as I do not read this group often. Thanks much! Eric Slimko theslim@caen.engin.umich.edu " 1330,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr17.024646.28396@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes: > Wouldn't one expect more heterosexual men than gay men to be > promiscuous simply due to a larger group of potential partners? > > Just a thought. > > -Matt You might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than straight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 1331,17,"From: steven@surya.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Berson) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: surya.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 25 cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Ten questions about Israel >I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to >provide > accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are >indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by >people around me. [ ... questions omitted ... ] >Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is Funny you should mention it, but I've heard these questions time and again, also. Why just the other day, a couple neo-Nazis by UCLA were passing out literature like this. Cheers, Steve -- ========================================================================= Steven Berson UCLA Computer Science Department (310) 825-3189 steven@cs.ucla.edu Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 ========================================================================= " 1332,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Bill 'Blame America First' Clinton Strikes Again. Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 82 In article <12741@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes: > >This argument sounds very stupid.. if the ability to make guns from > >""simple metalworking"" was easy, then Drug dealers would make their own > >wouldn't they???.. They do. According the the Los Angeles Police Department, illegal manufacture is one the three primary sources of machine guns and submachine guns used in crimes (sumggling and theft from the police and military being the other two.) Washington D.C. police have stated that 40% (If I'm remembering the figure correctly) of the guns they conficate were illegally built. > >...why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that > >somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an > >exorbitant markup???... It takes about 6 hours and a few tools to make one (at least one of reasonable quality). Unless the drug dealer enjoyes messing around on a lathe (say, as a hobby), he's going to have to pay someone anyway. Materials plus six hours of a machinist's time for something legal would run about $100. The blackmarket prices for guns are usually in the $50 to $200 range (at least those few I've seen cited in newspaper articles were...) > >...The simple truth of the matter is, that regardless > >of how easy it is to make guns, banning guns will reduce the > >the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a > >killer intent on buying a weapon.... Washington D.C. has a total ban on handguns and prohibits assembled rifles within city limits. It's homicide rate is almost ten times the national average. It is also illegal for a D.C. resident to drive to the Virginia or Maryland suburbs and buy a gun (dealers are required by federal law to check IDs and make sure the buyer isn't from another state) so the ban can not be easily side-stepped. > >To show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen.. take an > >analogy from computer science... almost every computer science major > >can write a ""wordprocessor"" yet we(comp sci majors) would willingly pay 3 > >to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect... why don't we > >just all write our own software???...... Because it is highly > >inconvinient!!!.. Sure. But it you couldn't buy one, you would write your own (in fact, people _did_ write their own 15 years ago...) More likely, you would find a friend who was a particularly good programer and get him give you a copy of his. Software is a _very_ bad example for your case: How many people do you know with illegal copies of $400 word processors? If people want something, and it isn't available (or affordable) legally, they will usually get it illegally. > >Same with guns... Quite. > >secondly.. how does one get this gunpowder for the > >""home made gun"" ??? 13-3-2. The formula has been around for half a million years. Or are you going to restrict sales of sulpher, charcoal and saltpeter? That's alot cruder than modern smokless powder, but it works very well. The only real problems are a ~25% reduction in energy (so a .357 magnum would ""only"" be as deadly as a 9mm) and it makes alot more smoke... Of course, a smart black marketeer could just make the gun in 9mm and steal the ammunition from the police (the police are often corruptable, and things are known to disappear from police evidence rooms and armories and reappear on the streets...) > > If guns were really that simple to make... the Bosnian muslims would > >be very happy people (or is it the case that metalworking tools are > >banned in bosnia??? (deep sarcasm) ). Perhaps you weren't watching the news two years ago, but the Serbs also tried to invade Slovinia. They were driven out after a few weeks by partisans armed with home-made _anti-tank_ weapons. The Afghan rebels frequently made their own rifles. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 1333,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Questioning Authority Lines: 60 Despite my trendy, liberal, feminist tendencies and the fact that I basically agree with what you are saying I will rebut: (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: > (Chris Mussack) writes: > > For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? > ... > Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who ""just > follow orders"" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, > and protest their innocence afterwards. The basic question here is ""how do I know what I am supposed to do?"" This is true in every situation that comes up. Some people do not think about it at all and merely follow their impulses. I claim that is just as dangerous as ""following authority"". I could site sexually transmitted diseases, drug abuse, all manner of criminal activity, the savings and loan scandal, car accidents, eggs thrown at my house, all are examples of people not ""following authority"". I could easily argue that in the evil examples you gave the problem was a leader not following _his_ authority and doing what he wanted. Of course, where is the top of the chain? Therein lies our search. > When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask > questions. Except for situations of pressing need (""I said shut the > hatch because the submarine is filling with water!""), any reasonable > authority should be able to give at least some justification that you > can understand. I don't think it's as simple as you are claiming. ""Pressing need"" is ambiguous. Should I recycle or not? Realize that I have four kids who, despite being very precocious of course, are very tiring with their constant lack of understanding the tremendous knowledge I wish to impart to them. > Just be sure to listen when authority answers. Ahh! An ironic ending. The irony I was implying in my initial pithy retort to the bumper sticker cliche ""Question Authority"" was that I was questioning the authority of the person telling me to question authority. It seems there is a certain segment of society that finds meaning only in being different, only in rebelling, forsaking everything for the sake of freedom. I question their integrity and fortitude. There is another freedom that comes from doing a task correctly. Different people are at different levels of development in different areas. Part of the challenge of life is to find the right authorities to follow, we can't know everything about everything. Often when learning a new skill or subject I will follow the teacher, perhaps blindly. Only when I have learned enough to ask appropriate questions should I question him, only when I have developed my skills enough should I challenge him. Once again, how do I know when I get to those stages? If you have to be told to question authority, perhaps you shouldn't. Chris Mussack (A good comedian should never have to explain his jokes.) " 1334,3,"From: scanlonm@rimail.interlan.com (Michael Scanlon) Subject: 17"" monitor with RGB/sync to VGA ?? Keywords: RGB VGA 17""monitor Lines: 13 Organization: none Distribution: usa I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether) connectors out the back?? I might be able to get ahold of a Raster Technologies 17"" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would I need different drivers etc. Thanks Mike Scanlon please reply to scanlon@interlan.com " 1335,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 44 In roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >hands up while national tv cameras watch. Would *you* have come out if you knew the only national TV cameras were well over a mile away, and yet the agents with the guns were only a few yards away? They had contact with a lawyer, so I am inclined to believe they had an idea of what their situation actually was. This also leads to the conspiracy theory that the lawyer had the BATF pinned on rights violations if the BD's acted as witnesses, hence the arson. I doubt that one too, but it is still quite clear that leaving a safe place to surrender is a rather stupid thing to do until that place is no longer safe. >Do you disbelieve everything the FBI says? As a matter of course, given how they've allowed no other views to be heard. I'll reserve judgement until the trial, but so far as the FBI is concerned their statements carry the same amount of weight as photons at rest. >The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. >But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is >ludicrous. Ludicrous, yes. Possible, yes. Plausible? Get the jury. >If the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound, I would >have expected far more cult members to flee the compound. Or at least come >out shooting. That's what gets me too. It is likely the cult members were holed up in an enforced place inside the building. With a decent arson attempt I suspect many of them could have been trapped. In addition, the introduction of CS gas for several hours would have rendered many of them immobile if not unconscious when their masks quit. All the props are there, but proving what scene was played is difficult. The only certainty is that the FBI and BATF have few witnesses against them. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 1336,6,"From: mcadams@trane.rtp.dg.com (Ed McAdams) Subject: Piano, free to charity Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 15 I have one of those HEAVY antique upright pianos I would like to contribute to any charity with muscle enough to get it out of my house. If I get no response from a charity I will sell to for $100, you haul. It is in good shape, needs tuning. I'm in south Durham county. Ed McAdams Data General Corporation mcadams@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 T. W. Alexander Drive {backbone}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!mcadams Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 (919) 248-6369 Ed McAdams Data General Corporation mcadams@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 T. W. Alexander Drive {backbone}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!mcadams Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 (919) 248-6369 " 1337,8,"From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: hats update... patches too! Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article XHFg2B5w165w@fringe.rain.com, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes: >I've got orders for about 30-35 hats. The expensive part (not surprisingly) >is going to be having the patches made, with a setup fee of $100-200 or so. Dean, there's an old engineering saying concerning inventions and wheels. Contact #0099, he's done several runs of patches, and there is some patch-making company out there with the artwork already set up and paid for. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 1338,12,"From: rsf@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roberto.s.freire) Subject: Fluke Scopemeter Organization: AT&T Lines: 14 Has anybody out there used/tested these new Fluke Scopemeters? How do they compare to a low-end Tectronix oscilloscope? Are there any big drawbacks about these handheld scopes when compared to the benchtop scopes of the same price range ($1000-$2000)? Any info on the Fluke Scopemeters would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bob Freire rsf@houxa.att.com " 1339,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 10 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) says: >All together now... c'mon, you know the words... ""Meet the new boss! Same as >the old boss!"" And the chorus: ""We won't get fooled again!"" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm. Can I, eh, get a little side bet on this one? " 1340,9,"From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Subject: Montreal Question....... Reply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 9 What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 K--> -- --- Keith J. Mullins (o o) P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET: Plymouth, NH | ""It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu " 1341,3,"From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang) writes: >In article <1qulqa$hp2@access.digex.net>, rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: >|> The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen >|> blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it >|> meets all of the Swedish standards. It's also protected against EMI from >|> adjacent monitors. >Thanks for the info. >|> Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now. >How much more does the F550iW cost? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. > mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 I think the difference is about 400 dollars, but I could be wrong. These things change between press time and publication. " 1342,13,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and Methodology Summary: Merely avoiding mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr11.015518.21198@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes: >In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: >>I would also like to point out that most of the arguments about science >>in sci.med, sci.psychology, etc. are not about cases where people are >>rejecting scientific argument/evidence/proof. They are about cases where >>no adequate scientific research has been done. (In some cases, there is >>quite a bit of evidence, but it isn't in a format to fit doctrinaire >>conceptions of what science is.) > >Here it is again. This indicates confusion between ""proof"" and the process >of doing science. You are making precisely one of the points I wanted to make. I fully agree with you that there is a big distinction between the *process* of science and the end result. As an end result of science, one wants to get results that are objectively verifiable. But there is nothing objective about the *process* of science. If good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit to homeopathic remedies, this would certainly be valuable information. But it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science. This is where you and I disagree with Turpin. In order to have science, one must have a theoretical structure that makes sense, not a mere collection of empirically validated random hypotheses. Experiment and empirical studies are an important part of science, but they are merely the culmination of scientific research. The most important part of true scientific methodology is SCIENTIFIC THINKING. Without this, one does not have any hypotheses worth testing. (No, hypotheses do not just leap out at you after you look at enough data. Nor do they simply come to you in a flash one day while you're shaving or looking out the window. At least not unless you've done a lot of really good thinking beforehand.) The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. It depends on the quality of their THINKING. It really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical studies. And it bothers me even more that there are many fields, such as certain parts of psychology, where there seems to be no thinking at all, but mere studies testing ad hoc hypotheses. And I'm especially offended by Russell Turpin's repeated assertion that science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes. Simply avoiding mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet " 1343,13,"From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg) Subject: Re: Eugenics Keywords: gene pool; wisdom; virtue Nntp-Posting-Host: naples.med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 84 Subject: Re: Eugenics (Gordon Banks) writes: / ;Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. ;Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will ;then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic ;engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. ;No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should ;we? Two past problems with eugenics have been 1) reducing the gene pool and 2) defining the status of the eugenized. Inserting genes would not seem to reduce the gene pool unless the inserted genes later became transmissible to progeny. Then they may be able to crowd out ""garbage genes."" This may in the future become possible. Even if it does, awareness of the need to maintain the gene pool would hopefully mean provisions will be made for saving genes that may come in handy later. Evidently the genes for sickle cell disease in equatorial Africa and for diabetes in the Hopi *promoted* survival in some conditions. We don't really know what the future may hold for our environment. The reduced wilderness- and disease-survival capacity of our relatively inbred domesticated animals comes to mind. Vulcanism, nuclear winter, ice age, meteor impact, new microbiological threats, famine, global warming, etc., etc., are all conceivable. Therefore, having as many genes as possible available is a good strategy for species survival. Of course, the status of genetically altered individuals would start out as no different than anyone else's. But if we could make ""philosopher-kings"" with great bodies and long lives, would we (or they) want to give them elevated status? We could. The Romans did it with their kings *without* the benefits of such eugenics. The race eventually realized and dealt with the problems which that caused, but for a while, it was a problem. Orwell introduced us to the notion of what might happen to persons genetically altered for more menial tasks. But there is nothing new under the sun. We treated slaves the same way for millennia before ""1984."" I see no inherent problem with gene therapy which avoids at least these 2 problems. Humans have always had trouble having the virtue and wisdom to use any power that falls into their hands to good ends all the time. That hasn't stopped the race as a whole yet. Many are the civilizations which have died from inability to adapt to environmental change. However, also many are the civilizations which have died from the abuse of their own power. The ones which survived have hopefully learned a lesson from the fates of others, and have survived by making better choices when their turns came. Not that I don't think that this gene altering power couldn't wipe us off the face of the earth or cause endless suffering. Nuclear power or global warming or whatever could and may still do that, too. The real issue is an issue of wisdom and virtue. I personally don't think man has enough wisdom and virtue to pull this next challenge off any better than he did the for last few. We, as eugenists, may make it, an we may not. If we don't, I hope there are reservoirs of ""garbage"" people out in some backwater with otherwise long discarded ""garbage"" genes which will pull us through. I believe that the real problem is and will probably always be the same. Man needs to accept input from the great spirit of God to overcome his lacks in the area of knowing how to use the power he has. Some men have, and I believe all men may, listen to and obey the still small voice of God in their hearts. This is the way to begin to recieve the wisdom and virtue needed to escape the problems consequent to poor choices. Peoples have died out for many reasons. The societies which failed to accept enough input from God to safely use the power they had developed have destroyed themselves, and often others in the process. It is self-evident that the ones which survive today have either accepted enough input from the Spirit to use their powers wisely enough to avoid or survive their own mistakes thus far, or else haven't had enough power for long enough. In summary, I would say that the question of whether to use this new technology is really an ancient one. And the answer, in some ways hard, in some ways easy, is the same ancient answer. It isn't the power, it is the Spirit. Sorry for the long post. Got carried away. Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu) " 1344,17,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 45 In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > > In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: > >>In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >>>I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >>>reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >>>reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >>>interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. >> >>Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or >>Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? >>Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? > > There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report > on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the > Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis > used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover *was* last month :-) Why don't you give us your National Geographic travelogue of your recent trip to ""Palestine"" ? Or are you too disappointed by what you saw ? :-) Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. > They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. > >>to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political >>agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. >> >>Tim > > Anas Omran > " 1345,2,"From: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu Subject: Okidata 2410 printer driver Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Lines: 16 I have an Okidata 2410 printer for which I would like to have a printer driver. Has anyone seen such a thing? There is not one on the Microsoft BBS. I can print to it from Windows but I have no fonts available and with Paradox for Windows I can't print labels on it unless there is a proper printer defined. Thanks, Bryan K. Ward Survey Research Center University of Utah i-mail: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu " 1346,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: ugliest swing <1993Apr12.235334.25031@ptdcs2.intel.com> <34244@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Lines: 16 In article <34244@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) says: > >What I think is hotdogish about his AB's is the way he leans out over >the plate to watch outside pitches etc. This not done to get a better >look at the pitch, but to make it seem,""this ball is so far out I need >to lean just to get near it so you better call it a ball"". This is my >""unbiased"" opinion of what I see. Your mileage will vary....... >Rickey is agreat player to watch if you forget who he is at the time. a lot of batters lean in when pitches come. rickey's crouch tends to exaggerate that, i think. ""a great player to watch if you forget who he is"" - ""unbiased""... hmmm... bob vesterman. " 1347,3,From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Flame Therapy Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqdfrINN88e Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I think it would be a great idea to have a new group created: comp.sys.ibm.pc.flame.therapy anybody agree? 1348,11,"From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au In article <19930419.155204.305@almaden.ibm.com> ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) writes: > I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip, >and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. Any back- >doors or weaknesses would further discredit the scheme, and help grow >the market demand for a secure alternative. I must admit that this point has been running through my mind for most of the discussion: one the dice are out there, it won't be long before someone decaps it and, after a bit of work, has full details of the Clipper algorythm. This isn't trivial to do, but then again, it is not impossibly difficult either. Any half way decent VLSI design student should be able to take a photograph of a technology s/he is familiar with, and given a description of the input, output, control and supply lines, figure out the function of various subsystems on the die. Indeed, this is not an uncommon exercise performed during training (because it makes you think about design decisions made by other designers. I could speculate that these chips are going to be manufactured using ""tamperproof"" carriers (unlikely - such techniques are *very* expensive and this thing is supposed to be relatively cheap to produce), or that there will be some legal or legislative framework to prevent publication of the algorythm (unlikely - please correct me if I am wrong but aren't these supposed to be sold internationally?). I suppose that the most likely reason the algorythm is remaining secret for the moment is that some idiot bureaucrat, untrammeled by the realities of the situation, decided that ""well, we should keep it a secret because it is supposed to be secret, isn't it?"" Just some random thoughts... -- Ian Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400 Office of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433 Macquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420 Australia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au. " 1349,5,"From: ks@n8pph52.nt.com (Kamlesh Shah) Subject: Question on Motif Diaog Shell Widget under vuewm... Organization: bnr Distribution: usa Lines: 16 Dear netters, I have noticed something rather weared (I think) about creating a dialog shell widget while running HP Vue's vuewm. For some reason, every time I create a dialog shell the foreground and backgroun d colors are different compared to my toplevel shell. I am not doing anything special/different. Does any body know anything about this problem?? How to fix it without hardcodin g the colors ? Please respond to kamlesh@salzo.cary.nc.usa .... Thanks ! -Kamlesh " 1350,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Migraines Article-I.D.: pitt.19398 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 In article drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: >So I'll ask this, my neurologist just prescribed Cafergot and >Midrin as some alternatives for me to try. He stated that >the sublingual tablets of ergotamine were no longer available. >Any idea why? He also suggested trying 800 mg ibuprophen. > I just found out about the sublinguals disappearing too. I don't know why. Perhaps because they weren't as profitable as cafergot. Too bad, since tablets are sometimes vomited up by migraine patients and they don't do any good flushed down the toilet. I suspect we'll be moving those patients more and more to the DHE nasal spray, which is far more effective. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1351,6,"From: jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange) Subject: WANTED: Used audio mixer Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.radian.com Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 I'm looking for a used/inexpensive audio mixer. I need at least 4 channels of stereo input and 1 channel of stereo output, but I would prefer 8 or more input channels. Each channel needs to have at least a volume control. I'll consider buying broken equipment. The mixer needs to be fairly small (I haven't got a lot of space for it). John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) Radian Corp. (512)454-4797 Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720-1088 " 1352,14,"From: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Reply-To: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 31 ----- News saved at 23 Apr 93 22:22:40 GMT In article <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: > > ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! > > This paper BOTH describes how heavenly bodys can be stationary, >ether sucking structures, AND why we observe ""orbital"" motion!! > ""Light-Years"" between galaxies is a misnomer. The distance is >closer to zero, as time and matter are characteristics of this phase >of reality, which dissipates outward with each layer of the onion. >(defining edge = 0 ether spin) > To find out about all of this, I recommend studying history. Well, I'm working on it, but getting a little impatient. So far, I've made it through Egyptian, Chinese, and Greek cultures, and up through the Rennaisance. But so far, these insights just don't seem to be gelling. Perhaps it's in an appendix somewhere. In its own right, though, the history is kind of fun. Lots of good yarns in there, with varied and interesting characters. And, more to come. " 1353,17,"From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr20.214322.8698@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr20.131336@IASTATE.EDU>, oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) writes: >OY] ...[deleted]... >OY] >OY] If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references >OY] on the issue. Just send me EMail for that. > > You think I am that STUPID to ask you for REFERENCES ! NOT ! > I have many GREEK friends that I could ask for the INFO if I > needed. I have already read many articles and DO NOT need > your help. Boy, how generous !! > There is a very narrow margin of stupidity between accepting my references and those of the Greeks, and you just said you'd rather do the latter! That's fine with me. I was sincere in my offer, but this saves me the effort. It doesn't take a half-brained man to go to any library and check out a bunch of sources of decent objectivity. Just ask a good friend for help. !:-) ""Stay on these roads,"" Onur Yalcin -- Onur Yalcin oyalcin@iastate.edu ""Un punto in piu`"" " 1354,5,"From: snail@lsl.co.uk Subject: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!! Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr7.044749.11770@topgun>, smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) writes: > Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib > Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development > for X applications in an NT environment. Could someone please send me the postal and email address of Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). Thank you. -- snail@lsl.co.uk ""Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."" Quote by Freire. Poster by OXFAM. " 1355,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >I think that about 70% (or so) people approve of the >>death penalty, even realizing all of its shortcomings. Doesn't this make >>it reasonable? Or are *you* the sole judge of reasonability? >Aside from revenge, what merits do you find in capital punishment? Are we talking about me, or the majority of the people that support it? Anyway, I think that ""revenge"" or ""fairness"" is why most people are in favor of the punishment. If a murderer is going to be punished, people that think that he should ""get what he deserves."" Most people wouldn't think it would be fair for the murderer to live, while his victim died. >Revenge? Petty and pathetic. Perhaps you think that it is petty and pathetic, but your views are in the minority. >We have a local televised hot topic talk show that very recently >did a segment on capital punishment. Each and every advocate of >the use of this portion of our system of ""jurisprudence"" cited the >main reason for supporting it: ""That bastard deserved it"". True >human compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy. Where are we required to have compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy? If someone wrongs me, I will take great lengths to make sure that his advantage is removed, or a similar situation is forced upon him. If someone kills another, then we can apply the golden rule and kill this person in turn. Is not our entire moral system based on such a concept? Or, are you stating that human life is sacred, somehow, and that it should never be violated? This would sound like some sort of religious view. >>I mean, how reasonable is imprisonment, really, when you think about it? >>Sure, the person could be released if found innocent, but you still >>can't undo the imiprisonment that was served. Perhaps we shouldn't >>imprision people if we could watch them closely instead. The cost would >>probably be similar, especially if we just implanted some sort of >>electronic device. >Would you rather be alive in prison or dead in the chair? Once a criminal has committed a murder, his desires are irrelevant. And, you still have not answered my question. If you are concerned about the death penalty due to the possibility of the execution of an innocent, then why isn't this same concern shared with imprisonment. Shouldn't we, by your logic, administer as minimum as punishment as possible, to avoid violating the liberty or happiness of an innocent person? keith " 1356,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr20.110021.5746@kth.se>, hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes: henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are henrik] INVADING their homeland. HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? With facist methods like HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds HE] by the Armenians. Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno- Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this policy. If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land in the first place, not the Armenians. henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not HE] humanitarian aid..... What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out. HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? It's too bad you would want Turkey to start a war with Armenia. " 1357,17,"From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 21 Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. Didn't you hear the saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... See ya in hell.. Timucin. -- KAAN,TIMUCIN Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu " 1358,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr17.010734.23670@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) wrote: > The truth is, is that it is not some sort of magic spell. The truth > is is that you do not understand it, and enjoy not understanding it. I'm curious about this statement, is it a known understanding amongst Christian believers that people who don't understand the Christian doctrines are enjoying this state? I come from a background with a heavy Christian teaching (Lutheran church), and consider myself knowledgeable with the basic understandings of Christianity. At the same time I'm *not* proud of things I don't understand or know of at this point of time. Ignorance is not bliss! Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 1359,1,"From: quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Lines: 22 osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >>In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >>>[...], but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. >>A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, [...] Hi, I've come across a fast triangle fill-draw routine for mode 13h. By calling this routine enough times, you have a fast polygon drawing routine. I think I ftp'ed from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/programming. I have a copy of it so I reupload it there. The triangle.txt file has this to say : > C and inline assembly source for a VGA mode 13h triangle drawer. -- Stephen Quan (quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au) Tel : 002 202844 (local) Research Fellow, Computer Scientist, Fax : 002 240282 (local) Centre for Spatial Information Systems, Tel : 61 02 202844 University of Tasmania, Australia. Fax : 61 02 240282 " 1360,0,"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu In article <93108.155839PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: [Pitt vs. Penn State controversy deleted] > >Bringing this back to alt.atheism relevance: So the guy says we're going to >Hell. That isn't sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator. At worst, >it's bad etiquette. (Unless you really believe that someone is using his >account without his knowledge/permission, which is actually against the law.) >----- >Patrick Saxton ""Pitt is a second-rate school in a second-rate city."" >pts102@PSUVM.psu.edu - anon >pts@ecl.psu.edu ob.atheism: ""In Batman we Trust"" > No. It wouldn't be sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator if this was just some guy saying that atheists are going to hell. The point was that recently many messages were posted from that address. Each of these messages was posted to a different newsgroup, with the apparent intent of provoking the readers of that particular group. This, along with the fact that these posts were written in all-caps, makes these posts suspect. Whoever is using this account is using it irresponsibly. If it is the intended user, they should consider appropriate action. If it is someone else-- which seems a possibility, then this is also reason to report it. We get many posts in the flavor of the one that started this thread. It is only because I have seen posts on other groups by this user that I am considering action. Brendan " 1361,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? Lines: 38 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr14.213356.22176@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >From: snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) >Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:33:56 GMT >In article healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: >>Bobby, >> >>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named >>Ellen G. White. I hope that what she said will help you to edit your >>remarks in this group in the future. >> >>""Do not set yourself as a standard. Do not make your opinions, your views >>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in >>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal."" >> Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124 >> >>I hope quoting this doesn't make the atheists gag, but I think Ellen White >>put it better than I could. >> >>Tammy > >Point? > >Peace, > >Bobby Mozumder > My point is that you set up your views as the only way to believe. Saying that all eveil in this world is caused by atheism is ridiculous and counterproductive to dialogue in this newsgroups. I see in your posts a spirit of condemnation of the atheists in this newsgroup bacause they don' t believe exactly as you do. If you're here to try to convert the atheists here, you're failing miserably. Who wants to be in position of constantly defending themselves agaist insulting attacks, like you seem to like to do?! I'm sorry you're so blind that you didn't get the messgae in the quote, everyone else has seemed to. Tammy " 1362,3,"From: S903146@mailserv.cuhk.hk Subject: Re: DOS6 - no boot disk required if you don't want EMM386 to load Nntp-Posting-Host: wksa16.csc.cuhk.hk Organization: Computer Services Centre, C.U.H.K. Distribution: usa Lines: 20 In article sms@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Mark Sanderson) writes: >From: sms@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Mark Sanderson) >Subject: DOS6 - no boot disk required if you don't want EMM386 to load >Date: 8 Apr 1993 15:12:40 -0500 >Everybody, DOS 6 users in particular, take note: if you want to play games >that hate/use their own upper memory manager, DOS 6 is not a problem. No >boot disks required. As your system starts up, hit the F5 key. This tells >it to bypass config and autoexec altogether. You get a plain, generic session >of DOS, with nothing loaded. steps thru config.sys asking if you want to execute each line, but I've >forgotten it at the moment...you can try finding it - I think it's F9...> No, you need not bypass the config.sys, in Dos 6.0, there is a function of multi-config, have you tried BOOT.SYS ? the multi-config is the kind that you can choose you config.sys at the startup. And I find that is very good. It has no conflict to QEMM. (I have problem when using BOOT.SYS) The key you say is F8, which is trace the config.sys step by step. Sorry, if any error :) Phillip (phillipau@cuhk.hk) " 1363,9,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 64 In craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter) writes: >Dale Stephenson (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) wrote: >: In steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career >: >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of >: >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. >: And some comments, with some players deleted. >: >Third Basemen >: >------------- >: >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 >: Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short. >: >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 >: This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average. >: His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of >: that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the >: Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and >: judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play >: third. >Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 >Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan, >I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember >completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the >world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe >the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Actually, Gaetti's first year with California was 1991. His .632 DA wasn't out of line with his career averages, and his .616 was actually below average in 1988. But check out the last three years at the Metrodome. 1990 Gaetti .655 AL Avg .604 1991 Pags .744 Leius .653 Al Avg .620 1992 Leius .680 AL Avg .603 For the last three years, the highest DAs in either league have been posted by Minnesota players -- three different ones, including one (Pags) who was mediocre to horrible elsewhere. That doesn't *prove* a park effect is at work, any more than San Diego's horrible infield numbers prove a park effect is at work. But it looks like a strong possibility to me. Lots >of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome. >It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football >even when it's snowing and raining. And it might even be a nice play to thrid base. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 1364,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES NISSAN Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 12 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says: >Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone >has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks! > You must be _incredibly_ bored. Have you considered reading the phone book? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 1365,6,"From: cwilliam@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Christopher Williamson) Subject: ** Oscilloscope for sale $99 + probes $25 ea. ** Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 13 I have a Tektronix T921 15Mhz scope for sale. It is a nice, simple unit to learn on. I used it while I was in school. If you want one to play with at home, this is easy and inexpensive. It has a nice handle and is quite lightweight and easy to move around. I will consider selling the probes seperately for $25 ea. They are HP 10017A probes suitable for this type of scope. The probes are NOT included in the price of $99 for the scope. If you need more technical info, you will have to come look at it, as I am not a scope expert and what I have said is all I know. Chris " 1366,1,"From: steveq@DIALix.oz.au (Steve Quartly) Subject: WANTED: SIRD Alogorythmn Summary: WANTED: A Sird Alogorythmn Keywords: Sird Article-I.D.: DIALix.1praaa$pqv Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1 Hi, I'm interested in writing a program to generate a SIRD picture, you know the stereogram where you cross your eyes and the picture becomes 3D. Does anyone have one or know where I can get one? Please e-mail to steveq@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au with any replies. Many thanks for your help. Steve Q. " 1367,18,"From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: |> >It is the government that is preventing entry to the market. The |> >desire of those running established businesses to prevent or |> >restrict the entry of competitors is an understandable, though |> >generally unpleasant, human failing. But without a means to act |> >on this desire, without a government with sufficient power to |> >restrict the options of the potential competitor, the |> >anti-competitive desire remains just an unpleasant wish. The |> >government is the linchpin, so we seek to disengage it so we |> >don't get the shaft. |> |> Once again, Mark, you don't specify the means through which the government |> is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a |> left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as |> you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto |> dealers. |> |> But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms, |> to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws, |> and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a |> particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special |> interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly |> designed to accomplish the opposite. This is similar to my saying that Clinton's timber summit does little to fix the health care problem. Look at the whole picture, not just randomly picked libertarian positions. If government is not allowed to use ""non-initiated force"" to achieve its goals, than no special interest can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic which I'll address briefly. It certainly won't happen until libertarianism is the dominate philosophy. What means do we have to make libertarianism the dominate philosophy? Statists run the education monopoly, so we have to be creative. The Advocates for Self-Government reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants ""embrace"" libertarianism. That's the best means I've seen yet. We should lobby for compulsory Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!] Roger Collins It's amazing to me that governments around the world will try every aspect of government control before, as a final last resort after everything else fails, they will try individual liberty. -- Andre Marrou, Libertarian candidate for President '92 " 1368,5,"From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu) Subject: info wanted: X security holes Nntp-Posting-Host: next2.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 22 Hi *, Has anyone out there compile a list of X security holes?? If yes, will you please send me a copy of this?? If this is a wrong group, please point me to a right one. Thanks!! BTW, the list doesn't have to contain the info ""How to use the holes?"". Instead, I need the info of how to detect the holes, how to seal the holes, and how to monitor the activities if possible. Any info is welcomed. Thanks!! --Eric -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---* " 1369,11,"From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: tweedledumb.cygnus.com In-reply-to: jhart@agora.rain.com's message of 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT Date: 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) ""Simply?"" ""Everyone"" should have this attitude? The only people who can have this attitude are the most hard-core computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their computer In 10 yeards everybody will be talkig into his or her PDA anyway. That should solve most of the problem. " 1370,13,"Subject: Re: Arythmia From: perry1@husc10.harvard.edu (Alexis Perry) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr22.031423.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: >doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused > Is it that serious? My EKG often comes back with a few irregular beats. Another question: Is a low blood potassium level very bad? My doctor seems concerned, but she tends to worry too much in general. ___________________________________________________________________________ Alexis Perry ""The less I want the more I get perry1@husc.harvard.edu Make me chaste, but not just yet. eliot house box 413 It's a promise or a lie (617) 493-6300 I'll repent before I die."" ""Work? Have you lost your mind?!"" -Ren -Sting Nobody really admits to sharing my opinions - last of all Harvard College " 1371,3,"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 20 In article gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) writes: [stuff deleted] >a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor >of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference, >no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used Not only do you lose AccuColor, you also had to give up 1280x1024 non-interlaced mode, the wider 135 Mhz bandwidth and the Mac and BNC inputs of the 5FG. Personally I am not bothered at all by the two lines in trinitron tube. > Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93) + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + " 1372,12,"From: keith@churchill.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith.Boyd) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Nntp-Posting-Host: churchill.columbiasc.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC Lines: 30 In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al > > Do you get a dial tone when you plug a phone into the jack?? If not, then the line is possibly disconnected from the nearest telco junction box. If you do get a dial tone, then surely the telco is sending a bill for the line to *someplace* or *somebody*. Are you sure that what you are doing is on the level. Sounds to me like you are just trying to get at somebody's unlisted number. Fess up. Keith -- | Keith Boyd (NCR- MCPD Cola.) | Nothing could be finer than huntin' and | | 3325 Platt Springs Rd. | and fishin' in South Carolina! -Me- | | West Cola., S.C. 29170 | Go Gamecocks! | keith.boyd@columbiasc.NCR.COM | | Vp: 803-791-6419 or 6455 | From uunet: uunet!ncrcom!ncrcae!clodii!keith | " 1373,2,"From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr23.170922.1911@odetics.com>, dale@odetics.com (Dale Pischke) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: >>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. > >I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows. >A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the >24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers, >I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later >versions that I'm unaware of... > Version 2.03 drivers are current. -- Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice) 4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax) Arden Hills, MN 55126 " 1374,12,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Ungrounded GFCIs; was: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 22 In article <1qmisf$odp@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM> garyg@warren.mentorg.com writes: >> >>What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is >>to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact, >>depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*. > >You still need to supply a proper ground for a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter! Oddly enough, you don't, at least according to the wiring FAQ that is regularly posted on misc.consumers.house. A GFCI senses discrepancies between the live and neutral wire currents, and cuts them both off if a discrepancy is found. No ground connection is needed for it to function. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 1375,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed >> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. >=== >I aint talking the large or even the ""mining companies"" I am talking the small >miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The >people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do >mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point). Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit of environmental damage. These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness. pat " 1376,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 14 This is fascinating. Atheists argue for abortion, defend homosexuality as a means of population control, insist that the only values are biological and condemn war and capital punishment. According to Benedikt, if something is contardictory, it cannot exist, which in this case means atheists I suppose. I would like to understand how an atheist can object to war (an excellent means of controlling population growth), or to capital punishment, I'm sorry but the logic escapes me. And why just capital punishment, what is being questioned here, the propriety of killing or of punishment? What is the basis of the ecomplaint? Bill " 1377,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Patient-Physician Diplomacy Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <1993Mar29.130824.16629@aoa.aoa.utc.com> carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft) writes: >What is ""unacceptable"" about this is that hospitals and MDs by law >have no choice but to treat you if you show up sick or mangled from >an accident. If you aren't rich and have no insurance, who is going >to foot your bills? Do you actually intend to tell the ambulance >""No, let me die in the gutter because I can't afford the treatment""?? By law, they would not be allowed to do that anyhow. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1378,7,"From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King) Subject: left turn signal won't stop automaticaly Article-I.D.: tekgen.2408 Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 5 The subject says it all. My 1984 Chev S10 Pickup's left turn signal does not stop after turning. What cause this to stop automaticaly?. Is this a mechanical problem by the steering wheel?. NOTE: This truck has an after market steering wheel (GT-Grant) installed. " 1379,0," howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!dpw Subject: Periodic Post of Charley Challenges, #3, with additions From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) Organization: Software Engineering Institute Lines: 250 New in this version: challenge #5, plus an addendum summarizing Charley's responses to-date.. ----------------------------------------- *** This is a posting made periodically in an attempt to encourage *** Charley Wingate to address direct challenges to his evidently *** specious claims. I'll continue to re-post periodically until *** he answers them, publicly indicates that he won't answer them, *** stops posting to alt.atheism, the alt.atheism community tells *** me to stop, or I get totally bored. I apologize for the *** somewhat juvenile nature of this approach, but I'm at a loss *** to figure out another way to crack his intransigence and *** seeming intellectual dishonesty. *** *** This is re-post #3. Charley, I can't help but notice that you have still failed to provide answers to substantive questions that have been raised in response to your previous posts. I submit that you don't answer them because you cannot answer them without running afoul of your own logic, and I once again challenge you to prove me wrong. To make the task as easy for you as possible, I'll present concise re-statements of some of the questions that you have failed to answer, in the hope that you may address them one at a time for all to see. Should you fail to answer again within a reasonable time period, I will re-post this article, with suitable additions and deletions, at such time that I notice a post by you on another topic. I will repeat this procedure until you either address the outstanding challenges or you cease to post to this newsgroup. I would like to apologize in advance if you have answered any of these questions previously and your answer missed my notice. If you can be kind enough to re-post or e-mail such articles, I will be only too pleased to publicly rescind the challenge in question, and remove it from this list. Now, to the questions... 1. After claiming that all atheists fit into neat psychological patterns that you proposed, then semi-retracting that claim by stating that you weren't referring to *all* atheists, I asked you to name some atheists who you feel don't fit your patterns, to show that you indeed were not referring to all atheists that you are aware of. You failed to do so. Please do so now. Question: Can you name any a.a posters who do not fit into your stereotype? Here is the context for the question: >>> This is not true for everyone on this board, and you are out of line >>> in assuming that it is. >> >>YOU, however, deleted the text further along where I said that I didn't mean >>to imply that everybody's experience was along the same lines. > >Whether or not you *mean* to make such implications, you do so >repeatedly. > >Allow me to approach the issue from another viewpoint: can you name >those atheists that you've come across who *do not* fit into the >patterns that you theorize? 2. You have taken umbrage to statements to the effect that ""senses and reason are all we have to go by"", and when pressed, you have implied that we have an alternative called revelation. I have repeatedly asked you to explain what revelation is and how one can both experience and interpret revelation without doing so via our senses and reason. You failed to do so. Please do so now. Question: Can you explain what is revelation and how one can experience and interpret it without using senses and inherent reasoning? Here is the context for the question: >>Revelation is not reason, and if we DO have revelation, then >>reasoning is NOT all we have. >First, show me that revelation exists. Second, if revelation is not >perceived through the senses, how exactly is it perceived? According >to my Webster's, revelation is ""an act of revealing or communicating >divine truth."" Now, tell me how such a thing can be revealed/ >communicated other than via the senses? Tell me how you can interpret >this revelation other than with reason, that is, using your brain to >interpret what you are sensing. When I say there is no way for a >human being to interface with the universe other than via the senses as >interpreted by reason (your brain), it is because this is the simple >truth. If you have another mechanism of interface, by all means, >share it with us. then later... >>>You CANNOT escape the fact that our entire interface with the universe is >>>our senses and our reason, period. >> >>Again, this is indefensible. > >No, it is simple truth. I challenge you to show me otherwise. then later... >>Few mystics will agree to this assertion, and the common defense of >>redefining ""senses"" to absorb (for instance) mystical experiences is >>begs the question of whether some senses are better than others. > >I allow you the broadest definition of senses, to make things easier >for you. Now, show me that ""mystical experiences"" exist. Remember, >you aren't allowed to go by testimony of others (e.g., mystics), since >you have dismissed my testimony as unreliable - you know, tainted by >my own bias. Further, once these mystical thingies are absorbed, show >me evidence that a human can recognize and respond to them short of >interpretation via that person's reasoning capabilities. > >I challenge you to show me these things. If you cannot do so, you >might as well give up the fight. then later... >Let me reiterate, you have NOT explained your interpretation of your >experiences, so it is not possible for me to have attacked them. In >point of fact, I specifically challenged you to explain this >revelation stuff that you were talking about, and I note for the >record that you appear to have declined my challenge. > >*What* is it? *How* is it sensed? *How* is it interpreted? And >*how* does this sensing and interpretation occur without the conduit >of our senses and reasoning abilities? You have answered none of >these questions that go straight to the heart of your claims. If you >can't answer them, your claims are entirely specious. 3. You have stated that all claims to dispassionate analysis made by a.a posters are unverifiable and fantastical. I asked you to identify one such claim that I have made. You have failed to do so. Please do so now. Question: Have I made any claims at all that are unverifiable and fantastical? If so, please repeat them. Here is the context for the question: >>I must thank David Wood a most sensitive and intelligent (if wrong :-)) >>posting. then later... >>Likewise, the reference to ""unverifiable, fantastical >>claims"" represents fairly accurately my reaction to all of the claims to >>dispassionate analysis that are repeated in this group. > >Give me your address and I'll be pleased to send you a dictionary. >Failing that, can you name ONE claim that I have made that is in any >sense unverifiable or fantastical? I demand that you retract this >statement if you cannot offer up evidence. If you follow your usual >pattern of ignoring the challenge, then you are simply an asshole. 4. First you dismissed claims by atheists that they became atheists as a result of reason, then later you stated that if one accepted the ""axioms"" of reason that one couldn't help but become atheist. I asked you to explain the contradiction. Your only response was a statement that the question was incoherent, an opinion not shared by others that I have asked, be they atheist or theist. You have failed to answer the question. Please do so now. Question: Do you retract your claim that a.a posters have not become atheists as a result of reason, despite their testimony to that effect? If you don't retract that claim, do you retract the subsequent claim that acceptance of the axioms of reason inevitably result in atheism? Here is the context for the question: [First quote] >>...we have here a bunch of people who claim that their position is >>based on reason... it is up to atheists to prove it to me... > >then, > [Second quote] >>...but I do not see how one can accept these axioms and not end up with >>an atheistic point of view. 5. First, you claimed that you would (probably) not answer these Challenges because they contained too much in the way of ""included text"" from previous posts. Later, you implied that you wouldn't respond because I was putting words in your mouth. Please clarify this seeming contradiction. Question: Do you prefer to respond to Challenges that include context from your own posts, or that I paraphrase your positions in order to avoid ""included text""? Here is the context for the question: First you said: >>My ordinary rules are that I don't read articles over over 150 lines >>or articles in which there is nothing but included text on the first >>screen. THese are not rules of morality, but practicality. then later... >>If someone is not going to argue with MY version of MY position, then >>they cannot be argued with. As usual, your responses are awaited with anticipation. --Dave Wood p.s., For the record, below is a compilation of Charley's responses to these challenges to date. 3/18/93 >>This makes no sense to me at all; it gives the appearance either of utter >>incoherence, or of answering some question of Mr. Wood's imagination. 3/31/93 (#1) >>Mr. Wood, I do not subscribe to the opinion that a gauntlet thrown down on >>the net requires any response whatsoever. At some point I might read and >>respond to your article, and then again, I might not. My ordinary rules are >>that I don't read articles over over 150 lines or articles in which there is >>nothing but included text on the first screen. THese are not rules of >>morality, but practicality. 3/31/93 (#2) >>I left out something else I don't respond to. >>... >>Utmost on my list of things to avoid are arguments about the arguments >>(meta-arguments, as some call them). 4/3/93 >>When I have to start saying ""that's not what I said"", and the response is >>""did so!"", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue >>with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with. " 1380,12,"From: row0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD O. WHITE) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr5.083324.48826@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.e du writes: >I have a project that was drooped in my lap that is somewhat a pain to design. >What I am looking for is a stable ultra-long solid state timer. What they want >to do is to place this thing on the Antartic ice shelf and measure the amount >of snow fall over a period of six weeks. Every two weeks, they want to trip a >selonoid to discharge different colored pellets by gas pressure out across the >snow. Then by digging down into the snow, the snow fall amount can be measured >as they come to the different color pellets. > >The problem is trying to build a timer that would stand the cold (-40 degrees) >and a power source that wouldn't drain. I have looked at the XR-2204 timers and >the standard NE556 dual timers, but thier temp specs won't go that low. Also, >two weeks equates to 1,209,600 seconds per firing, which means one big timing >cap ! I have found 2.2 farad (yes, Farad !) caps that have a working voltage of >5 volts and are small in size. But again, the time of discharge at -40 or lower >degrees isn't linear. I was thinking of using several timers chained together >to fire the selonid at the end of the timing period, but that blasted cold and >the drain on a battery over six weeks is the pain. One possibility would be to >use solar panels, but this is during the six month twilight. Anyone have any >good ideas ? > >Thanks in advance... > >-=-= Wes =-=- > just a suggestion: take a motorola mc14536B set it up to give you a pulse once every sec or ten secs with either a RC or xtal clock input. then feed to a MC14521B as clock input and decode output for 1,209,600 sec output ,might have to add a few 'and' gates or decoder chips to get output and reset pulse back to the'521 to restart cycle... Trigger a oneshot from the decoded riseing edge ;the one shot then goes to a mosfet to drive the mechanism to fire the pellet launcher.. these ckts require uAmps of current,between 5 - 15 volts, so a 12 volt gel cell of a few Amphours would last the six weeks. Then take the ckt board & battery wrap in 3"" or 4"" of foam or build a box of out of the stuff...with plywood or metal exterior... build a small heater out of 10-50 Watt resistors in series to keep the battery and ckts warm. 2nd thought use 2 batteries one for heater one for timer and pellet trigger. Insolate-insolate.......even though the chips state that the - AL rated devices are good to -55 C.. The batteries have a considerable reduction in capacity...oh make sure the area inside has minium air leakage.. hope this helps RW ( is this to long winded for the net??)(be gentle)... -- " 1381,7,"From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 1 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 By the way, what do people think about the Opel CAlibra? " 1382,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Short notes. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500345:000:1466 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:51:00 1993 Lines: 39 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Short notes. /* Written 4:43 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Short notes."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS Hadashot, 14 March 1993: The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday, March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with gun permits to carry them at all times ""so as to contribute to their security and that of their surroundings"". Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993: Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee, stated that he intends to demand that the police department make it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills [non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial. Ha'aretz, 16 March1993: Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security measures in the Strip. The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects. In addition to the gates, which will be operated by a private civilian company, large quantities of magnetic-card reading devices are being brought to the inspection points, to facilitate the reading of the magnetic cards these [non-Jewish] workers must carry. " 1383,18,"From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) Subject: Re: Swimming pool defense Nntp-Posting-Host: tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois Lines: 23 In article kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >>In article dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu ( >David Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will >improve these kids' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what >inner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when >there is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs? >> >>What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so >>much more money to be made dealing drugs? >> >>Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner >>city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids >>are incapable of doing legitimate work? > >I suppose the correct answer is not ""family values""? > >S'pose not. Never mind. Sorry. > Are you assuming that families in the inner city don't have family values ? I sure hope not. " 1384,11,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 53 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that >the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only >used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file >encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced >standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to >easy-to-break inverters. > >Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. >Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for >e-mail and files, let's focus on this. > >One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is >limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. > >Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal >less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no >secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can >eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and >cordless phones. > >------- > >Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure >without access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses >confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese >security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make >available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. > >Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to >have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of >depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable >escrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the >week, and that system has worked pretty well. > >From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that >need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in >return we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES >and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly >skilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be >checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to >be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys >pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate >communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to >eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. > Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your crypto keys? I wouldn't. Doug Holland " 1385,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 51 In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >So the phrase ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall >not be infringed"" must either qualify or explain the phrase ""a well >regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."" [stuff deleted] >Since ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be >infringed"" does not describe, modify or make less harsh anything and >it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task. >By process of elimination it must fall into definition #3. And since >#3 deals with legal power, the same thing the Constitution does, it >must be the correct definition in this case. Therefore, ""the right >of the people to keep and bear Arms"" gives legal power to the ""well >regualated militia"" and this legal power ""shall not be infringed"". Ah, clarification by obfuscation. Actually, the words ""A well regulated Milita, being necessary to the security of a free state"" is a present participle, used as an adjective to modify 'militia', which is followed by the main clause of the sentence, the subject being 'the right', the verb 'shall'. It asserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for maintaining a milita. The sentence doesn't restrict the right, or state or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other than the people. All it does is make a positive statement regarding a right of the people. The PEOPLE, as in you and me, as in the First, Fourth, Ninth, Tenth, as well as the Second amendment. The existence of this right is assumed - it is not granted by the amendment. There is no stated or implied condition relating the right to bear arms to the necessity of a well-regulated militia to the security of a free state. In other words, the entire sentence says that the right to keep and bear arms is UNCONDITIONAL. >So in effort not to force my views and not ""to destory our Liberties and >Rights,"" I state that nothing I have written, or will write, in >the matter of ""Liberties and Rights"" is the final word. For I am only >one person among many and the final word on ""Liberties and Rights"" cleary >and irrevocably belongs to the many. The final word on liberties and rights should not belong ""to the many"". That is why we have a Constitution. Otherwise, a tyrrany of the majority can ensue from ""popular"" opinion, a concept which you should be familiar with from the Federalist papers. Al [standard disclaimer] " 1386,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound... CENTERS [...] > Geoff Sanderson, Hartford [...] Sanderson will be on Team Canada, but he'd be out of position as a center. Although he was drafted as a center and played there as a rookie, Sanderson scored 46 goals this season as a left wing. -SG " 1387,7,"From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) Subject: Re: Quick question Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: ssave@ole.cdac.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:14:57 GMT In article ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want to access its pins. Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw? -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! " 1388,12,"From: ph@gmd.de (Peter Hendricks) Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC To: ebuddington@eagle.wesleyan.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: gmdzi Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany Lines: 23 In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes: > If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick >port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port >has built in A-D converters. This would allow the joystick to be a couple of >pots. If you could find the specs this might just work for you... I guess 100k, connecting pins 1-3 (1x), 1-6 (1y), 9-11 (2x), and 9-13 (2y). Or: Get an 8-bit DA-Converter (merely a couple of transistors and Resistors) and an OpAmp to compare its output to the voltage you want to measure, connect them to a spared printer port (if you have one), and do the rest by software (stepwise refinement). The port addresses for your printer ports are probably: &H378 (LPT1), &H278 (LPT2). This should work well enough for your purposes. Hope this helps -- GMD, Schloss Birlinghoven, Postfach 1316, D-5205 St. Augustin 1, FRG e-mail: Peter.Hendricks@gmd.de ph@zi.gmd.dbp.de ph@gmd.de " 1389,11,"From: wesommer@mit.edu (Bill Sommerfeld) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 112 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bill-the-cat.mit.edu In-reply-to: marc@mit.edu's message of 18 Apr 1993 01:19:38 GMT % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT expn clipper 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250 quit 221 first.org closing connection Connection closed. Note also: % telnet csmes.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.54.2... Connected to csmes.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 csmes.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.1/NIST(rbj/dougm) ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:08:58 EDT expn mgrsplus 250- 250-Irene Gilbert 250-Dennis Branstad 250-Robert Rosenthal 250-Gene Troy 250- 250-Dennis Steinauer 250 telnet mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.48.199... Connected to mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.1/rbj/jck-3 ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:06:50 EDT expn csspab 250- 250- 250-Bill Colvin 250- 250-John Kuyers 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250-Eddie Zeitler 250-Cris Castro 250 % telnet st1.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.54.91... Connected to st1.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 st1.ncsl.nist.gov SEndMaIl 4.1/NBS-rbj.11 rEadY At Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:13:43 EDT expn smid 250 Miles Smid expn katzke 250 Stuart Katzke quit 221 st1.ncsl.nist.gov closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. % telnet ecf.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.48.2... Connected to ecf.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV TGV/MultiNet SMTP service ready. expn burrows 250 Burrows, James expn mcnulty 250 McNulty, Lynn quit 221 ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV TGV/MultiNet SMTP service complete. % whois -h rs.internic.net first.org National Institute of Standards and Technology (FIRST-DOM) 225/A216 NIST GAITHERSBURG, MD 20899 Domain Name: FIRST.ORG Administrative Contact: Wack, John P. (JPW18) WACK@ENH.NIST.GOV (301) 975-3411 (FTS) 879-3411 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hunt, Craig W. (CWH3) Hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV (301) 975-3827 (FTS) 879-3827 Record last updated on 17-Dec-91. Domain servers in listed order: DOVE.NIST.GOV 129.6.16.2 AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV 128.102.18.3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host ONLY contains Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. -- " 1390,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 87 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr16.162447.26289@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: > In article <1qicep$obf@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: re: is ""John Q. Public with a gun"" protected? > >> It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction > >> of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun > >> was not a proper militia weapon. > >No, they noted that no one had CLAIMED that it was a proper militia > >weapon (despite having been used in at least two wars). This was true, > >since neither Miller nor his lawyer appeared before the Court. > Did they or did they not sustain Miller's conviction? I don't have the > text of the case handy. Miller was convicted of owning a sawed-off shotgun and not paying the NFA '34 tax. Snatches of the court's decision: The Second Amendment was intended to ""assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such a force [the militia]... It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view."" The militia includes ""all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense."" However, regarding sawed-off shotguns, ""certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense."" ""Judicial notice"" is the term of art here -- it meant that no such evidence had been formally presented. This is different from claiming that they had ruled that it wasn't. > Yes, shotguns had been used in WWI, the Spanish-American War, and the > US Civil War. That was not in question. The possession of a sawed-off > shotgun was, i.e., a weapon altered to improve concealibility. I'm not talking about plain shotguns in war -- I'm talking about short- barrelled (""sawed-off"") shotguns in war. Compare Revolutionary War blunderbusses; luparas in the Spanish-American War; and trench-cleaners in WW I. They were also put to good use by US soldiers in WW II, not to mention being invaluable to ""tunnel rats"" in Vietnam, but, of course, ""Miller"" took place in 1939. > >> Therefore, US vs. Miller supports limited government regulation of > >> firearms. > > > >Don't go arguing down this road unless you are willing to abide by > >the consequences that you find at the end of it -- mainly, that the > >law-abiding common man has a right to own any weapon that has a militia > >purpose, from handguns to sawed-off shotguns and fully automatic weapons. > >That, in fact, is what this decision says. > > You are free to produce evidence that I'm not willing to abide with > all the implications of this. Here is my quandary: you seem to be arguing that certain types of guns fall outside the scope of the Second. This isn't a useful argument unless you believe that some significant gun or class of gun belongs in that class. I think we both agree that zip guns probably aren't protected. Maybe we also both agree that all the weapons that random state governments have been banning or trying to ban because they have ""no sporting purpose"" and ""no provate citizen would ever need these guns"" DO fall under the protection of the Second. So, given that damn near any gun of any practical utility is or has at some time been used by the military, even if only for marksmanship training purposes, I need to understand why you are intent on pressing this point, arguing that that SOMETHING is not protected by the Second. > Just because I don't whole-heartedly endorse the NRA position does not > mean that I oppose the RKBA. This attitude is what makes the NRA > unpopular. Often, what makes someone unpopular is what other people say about him. How much did any of us fear or abhor the Branch Davidians six months ago? How many of us feared or abhorred Saddam Hussein five years ago? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 1391,3,"From: shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: XEL Communications, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 106 Wayne Smith (wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca) wrote: : In article <1qk7kvINNndk@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: : >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- : >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can : >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer : >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at : >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are : >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently : >>faster at managing data from a hard drive. : >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics : > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized : > drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. : Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? : You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they : exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in . : Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone : know how they perform? You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not. : >So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES : >the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode : >it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can. : As implimented on what system? On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file servers? : >The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put : >rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT : >the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the : >SCSI-2 through put. : Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive : controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do : at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence? : What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly. I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. : The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card : (or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down : in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc : or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions : of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to : come down in price. No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read: easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice. : I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented : data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better : (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when : managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. But, you bought your PC for expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. The following are why I find SCSI intrinsically better than IDE: A (partial?) list: 1. You can add many different types of devices and access them concurrently. 2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go) 3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor 212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the termination, plug it in, and away it goes. 4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c: to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very noticable, as many things can be going on at once. One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive all on the same card. Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out. Greg. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ You can't go against nature, because when you do, Greg Shaw go against nature, it's part of nature too. shaw@feanor.xel.com Love & Rockets uunet!csn!xel.com!shaw " 1392,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Lines: 88 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle That's nice. We strive for entertainment value. :-) >- I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a >pick-up truck in front of the car that my friend and I were in. It had a bumper >sticker proclaiming ""Gun Control is a firm grip on a .45."" Now I'm sure that >that wanker thought he was pretty cool. >What he didn't realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck, and >showed it to our friends when we got back to Vancouver, Canada (where I'm from >originally). People were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a >sticker, and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the >first place! :) In the first place, you have to realize the feeling goes both ways. Canadians laugh at the U.S., and Americans simply shrug and woner why the hell we let them be a State in the first place. ;-) >I knew somebody else who went to one of your ""Gun-mart"" superstore places, just >so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping >carts! I didn't believe it myself until I drove by one in Vegas last year!!! Interesting strategy, posting here with complaints about people elsewhere. >Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world >perceives you gun-nut morons. Courtesy is apparently a dead commodity in the rest of the civilized world. ""Gun nut morons,"" indeed. >The BBC recently referred to the American >penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was >called a ""national eccentricity."" We've got guns, they've got a monarch and an economy on the verg of collapse. Finger pointing across the Atlanticis a waste or time. >The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national >eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the >border. Canada has been blaming the U.S. for their problems for years. The simple fact of the matter is this: Ten years ago they crowed about how great their system was because they'd gotten rid of the guns and the U.S. would be so much better if they'd just get into the divine light shining from the North. We pointed out that it was cultural differences, and pointed to their pre-control crime rates. We also pointed out that the history of the entire world contained smuggling, and that whenever something was wanted, it was smuggled in. If the problem were based on U.S. guns, it would have surfaced years before. Now more Canadian criminals want guns. And they are being provided. Canada has its own version of the drug problem. Yet drugs are prohibited in the U.S. >Hell, here in Britain, the cops don't even carry guns. (That's another funny >thing - you see a US border guard, and he's got his .45 or .38 on his belt, >with tons o' spare ammo - never know, maybe some canadian shopper might get out >of hand. Hell, as I recall, in People's Court, even Rusty carried a gun! Never >know, some plaintiff might go nuts. :) ) Saw a news report out of Britain that armed crime is on the rise, and several police agencies are considering have permanent ""firearms officers"" to deal with it. According to U.S. News & World Report, British handgun deaths have risen over 250% over the past twelve years. The U.S. number has dropped 5%. Maybe they're smuggling them across the U.S./U.K. border. Yeah, that's the ticket. >CYA! Have a nice day, Steve. Learn a little common courtesy and politeness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 1393,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: The Nicene Creed (was Re: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY) Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 152 Michael Bushnell writes; >The so-called Creed of Athanasius, however, has always been a Western >creed, and has always had the filioque. The Orthodox have said that >they accept all that it says, with the exception of the filioque, but >it is not ""in use."" Which is exactly what I pointed out. (Though I was wrong about your use of the Creed, the 1913 Catholic Encylcopedia in which I read about it said the Orthodox do use the Creed minus the filioque. Apparently that has changed.) The Athanasian Creed has always had the Filioque, the Nicene - Constantinopolitan did not. Of course the Orthodox did not delete the Filioque from the Nicene Creed (it wasn't there to begin with), but they certainly did from the Athanasian Creed, which did have it from the beginning. I might point out that the whole problem started over the difference in ways of explaining the generation of the Blessed Trinity, the East emphasizing the idea of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father through the Son, and the West using proceeding from the Father and the Son. In fact, some, such as Tertullian, used both formulations (see below) ""Following, therefore, the form of these examples, I profess that I do call God and His Word, - the Father and and His Son, - two. For the root and the stem are two things, but conjoined; the fountain and the river are two kinds, but indivisible; the sun and the ray are two forms, but coherent ones. Anything which proceeds from another must necessarily be a second to that from which it proceeds; but it is not on that account separated from it. Where there is second, however, there are two; and where ther is third, there are three. The Spirit, then, is third from God and the Son, just as the third from the root is the fruit of the stem, and third from the fountain is the stream from the river, and thrid from the sun is the apex of the ray."" -Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 8, 5 (about 213 AD) and ""I believe that the Spirit proceeds not otherwise than from the Father through the Son"" -Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 4, 1 (about 213 AD) And as St. Thomas showed in his Summa Theologica Part 1, Question 36, Articles 2 and 3, there is no contradiction between the two methods of generation, and in fact, the two methods of reckoning the procession emphasize what St. Augustine, among others taught, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, but He proceeds from the Father in a more preeminent way. ""For whatever the Son has, He has from the Father, certainly He has it from the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him ... For the Father alone is not from another, for which reason He alone is called unbegotten, not, indeed, in the Scriptures, but in the practice of theologians, and of those who employ such terms as they are able in a matter so great. The Son, however, is born of the Father; and the Holy Spirit proceeds principally from the Father, and since the Father gives to the Son all that He has without any interval of time, the Holy Spirit proceeds jointly from both Father and Son. He would be called Son of the Father and of the Son if, which is abhorent to everyone of sound mind, they had both begotten Him. The Spirit was not begotten by each, however, but proceeds from each and both."" -St. Augustine of Hippo, The Trinity, 15, 26, 47 (400 to 416 AD) So, in a sense, all of the formulations are correct (to the West at least), because the Holy Spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, but in proceeding from the Son, the orgin of that procession is the procession from the Father, so the Holy Spirit is proceeding from the Father through the Son, but as all that the Son has is from the Father, the Holy Spirit can be said to proceed from the Father, without any mention of the Son being necessary. In any case, I am happy to know that I follow in the beliefs of Pope St. Leo I, St. Fulgence of Ruspe, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Pope St. Damsus I, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Ambrose of Milan, St. Hilary of Poitiers, Tertullian, and others among the Fathers, who all have very quotable quotes supporting the Catholic position, which I enunciated above. As for the issue of the adoption of another Creed being forbidden, I will point out that the Holy Fathers of Ephesus and Chalcedon both spoke of the Creed of Nicea in their statement forbidding anyone ""to produce, write, or compose a confession of faith other than the one defined by the Fathers of Nicea."" That Creed is a different Creed than that of Constantinople, which is commonly called the Nicene Creed. Not of course in that they were condemning the adoption of the Constantinopolitan Creed, which is but an enlargement upon the Creed of Nicea, but that they were condemning the impious opinions of Nestorious, who had adopted a radically different Creed from the one used by the Church, which among other things denied the procession of the Holy Spirit form the Son. Thus, the additions of the Constantinopolitan Creed were not thought to be in violation of this, and as the Council Chalcedon also affirmed the doctrine of the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son, which Nestorius denied, they could hardly have been against explaining in a fuller way the Creed, for they themselves approved of previous additions to it. And if the further explanations of the Creed made in Constantinople were not denigrating of the work done by the Holy Fathers of Nicea or in any way heretical, it follows that the Council of Toledo was fully able to add what was not disputed by the faithful to the Creed so as to combat the impieties of the Arians in Spain, because the filioque was not in dispute in the Church until many years later under Photius and others. And that the filioque was not disputed, I provide more quotes below. ""Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to God, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly clear that He is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding from it."" -St. Cyril of Alexandria, The Treasury of the Holy and Consubstantial Trinity, Thesis 34, (423-425 AD) ""The Holy Spirit is not of the Father only, or of the Son only, but he is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. For it is written: `If anyone loves the world, the Spirit of the Father is not in him'; and again it is written: `If anyone, however, does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.' When the Father and the Son are named in this way, the Holy Spirit is understood, of whom the Son himself says in the Gospel, that the Holy Spirit `proceeds from the Father,' and that `He shall receive of mine and shall announce it to you.'"" -Pope St. Damasus I, The Decree of Damasus, 1 (382 AD) ""The only-begotten Holy Spirit has neither the name of the Son nor the appelation of Father, but is called Holy Spirit, and is not foreign to the Father. For the Only-begotten Himself calls Him: `the Spirit of the Father,' and says of Him the `He proceeds from the Father,' and `will receive of mine,' so that He is reckoned as not being foreign to the Son, but is of their same substance, of the same Godhead; He is Spirit divine, ... of God, and He is God. For he is Spirit of God, Spirit of the Father, and Spirit of the Son, not by some kind of synthesis, like soul and body in us, but in the midst of Father and Son of the Father and of the Son, a third by appelation.... ""The Father always existed and the Son always existed, and the Spirit breathes from the Father and the Son; and neither is the Son created nor is the Spirit created."" -St. Epiphanius of Salamis (which is on Cyprus), The Man Well-Anchored, 8 and 75 (374 AD) ""Concerning the Holy Spirit, I ought not to remain silent, nor yet is it necessary to speak. Still, on account of those who do not know Him, it is not possible for me to be silent. However it is necessary to speak of Him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the Son, His Sources."" -St. Hilary of Poitiers, The Trintiy, 2, 29 (356 to 359 AD) Thus, as I have pointed out before, Gaul, Spain, Italy, Africa, Egypt, Palastine, and the lands of the Greeks, all of Christnedom at that time, all have Fathers who can be cited to show that they confess the doctrine expressed by the filioque. I suggest to those of the Orthodox Church that they come up with some of the Fathers, besides St. John of Damascus who all will admit denied the filioque, to support their views. It is not enough to bring up the ""proceeds from the Father"" line of the Creed or the Gospel of John, for that says what we believe also. But it does not say the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Son, only that He does proceed from the Father. Andy Byler " 1394,2,"From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: Re: Need video drivers for Tseng True-color Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 26 Tony G. Wu (gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw) wrote: > Hello. > I purchased a video card called ET-4000 true color card which > can provide about 1700K colors. But the question is I can't find > the corresponding drivers for windows 3.1 , I am now using 65k > colors driver for win31. It works fine , but I think it will be > better if I use 1700k driver. So, please tell me whether such a > driver is available ! > Thanks in advance. I am sorry. My card can display about 17000K colors not 1700K colors. I hope some one could answer my question ! Thanks. -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw " 1395,10,"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Lines: 12 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada NJ> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, NJ> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other NJ> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. Mike Foligno was captain of the Buffalo Sabres when he was traded to Toronto. Stephen Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca \ " 1396,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 44 In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, |get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your |whining. | |Fine. | |Fuck off too. | |If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago, |and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me. | |And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've |been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit) |and my cousin is still recovering. | |No, I can't take back what happened. | |Yes, it was stupid. | |But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're |neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion. Hey, man, you brought it up. I agree completely, driving drunk is really stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it. But DWI is endemic in our society. It is a REAL problem. And we, as motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk driver. (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life of one of the participants, as I reported here.) Also, drunk driving by motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public against those of us who ride responsibly. In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence. It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue, but a genuine safety issue. So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto, admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon " 1397,2,"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) Subject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind? Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry Organization: Private System Lines: 18 In <1993Apr22.235454.18199@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: >AT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running >windows, and win. apps for the blind, I think. Didn't pay much >attention to it, but it was there. It seems that a particular program designed for blind people is more important than trying to interface windows with a way for blind people to use it. If someone made a voice recognition/multimedia (sound) oriented program, it would probably been more effective. I don't know what the original purpose of interfacing windows was for the person who posted the question though. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 1398,0,"From: william.vaughan@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (WILLIAM DANIEL VAUGHAN) Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity Lines: 9 Organization: University of Utah Computer Center In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) >Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 07:06:33 GMT >In article <1qaqi1INNgje@gap.caltech.edu>, werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew >Tong) wrote: >> so what " 1399,2,"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Hercules Graphite? Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Lines: 11 Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? (Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...) -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] [ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] " 1400,6,"From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (Curt Crane) Subject: Raichle ski boots for sale, size 11-11.5 Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu I also have a pair of size 11-11.5 Raichle Flexon Comps. These boots are black and yellow. they are in good condition. I would like around $100 for them also but feel free to make an offer. Please reply to: crane@coral.bucknell.edu Thanks, Curt " 1401,14,"From: MAILRP%ESA.BITNET@vm.gmd.de Subject: message from Space Digest X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 62 Press Release No.19-93 Paris, 22 April 1993 Users of ESA's Olympus satellite report on the outcome of their experiments ""Today Europe's space telecommunications sector would not be blossoming as it now does, had OLYMPUS not provided a testbed for the technologies and services of the 1990s"". This summarises the general conclusions of 135 speakers and 300 participants at the Conference on Olympus Utilisation held in Seville on 20-22-April 1993. The conference was organised by the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Spanish Centre for the Development of Industrial Technology (CDTI). OLYMPUS has been particularly useful : - in bringing satellite telecommunications to thousands of new users, thanks to satellite terminals with very small antennas (VSATs). OLYMPUS experiments have tested data transmission, videoconferencing, business television, distance teaching and rural telephony, to give but a few examples. - in opening the door to new telecommunications services which could not be accommodated on the crowded lower- frequency bands; OLYMPUS was the first satellite over Europe to offer capacity in the 20/30 GHz band. - in establishing two-way data relay links OLYMPUS received for the first time in Europe, over several months, high-volume data from a low-Earth orbiting spacecraft and then distributed it to various centres in Europe. When OLYMPUS was launched on 12 July 1989 it was the world's largest telecommunications satellite; and no other satellite has yet equalled its versatility in combining four different payloads in a wide variety of frequency bands. OLYMPUS users range from individual experimenters to some of the world's largest businesses. Access to the satellite is given in order to test new telecommunications techniques or services; over the past four years some 200 companies and organisations made use of this opportunity, as well as over 100 members of the EUROSTEP distance-learning organisation. As the new technologies and services tested by these OLYMPUS users enter the commercial market, they then make use of operational satellites such as those of EUTELSAT. OLYMPUS utilisation will continue through 1993 and 1994, when the spacecraft will run out of fuel as it approaches the end of its design life. 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the usefull >|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, >|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). >|>> >|>> Does this count? >|> >|>Yes. He thought about it. >|>> >|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press >|>> return...) > >Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even >tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me! > Around here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig can get you soundly FAQed. Notice, however, that I myself did not FAQ the careful monk. He was, after all, waiting to press return. Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 1406,9,"From: crichar@eskimo.com (Craig S. Richardson) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Article-I.D.: eskimo.C5JCK0.DEA Distribution: na Organization: Eskimo North (206) 367-3837 {eskimo.com} Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >|> In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: >|> >In article niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: >|> >>. He probably didn't even have as good a season as >|> >>Alomar last year. >|> > [snip] >|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter >|> last year. >|> [stats deleted - we've all seen them by now] >This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last >year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga >had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage >for Alomar is OBP. I nominate this last bit for ""Anti-Stathead Quote of the Week"". Alomar only has a 50 point advantage in the most important offensive category, while Baerga, who studied in the Joe Carter School of Out-Burning, has more impressive mediot stats, largely due to opportunities rather than quality. The lines are fairly close in value, but edge to Alomar. Now Baerga ain't chopped liver, but Alomar is still the man to beat among AL second basemen... --Craig -- Craig S. Richardson (crichar@eskimo.com - formerly eskimo.celestial.com)) GM - Pullman Sleepers (OBFBL) GM - Seattle Rainiers (IFL) GM/Manager - Tacoma Black Adders (IBL) GM - New Jack City Highlanders (KL) Tacoma Black Adders - A Growing, Excited Team! - ""The Future Begins Tomorrow"" " 1407,7,"From: jwl@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (james.w.lee..iii) Subject: Re: new saturn argument Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1993Apr6.203837.14323 Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Lines: 17 In article , rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: > > ok, how about this to argue about. why does the sl2 have a much lower base > price than the sc2??? it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount). > doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that > are in the 4 door???? perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the > 2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k??? The SC1/SC2 has a shorter wheel base than the SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2, just a thought. Ithink your right though...... -- James Lee @ A.T.& T. Bell Labs Murray Hill, N.J. 07974 Room 2A-336 201-582-4420 att!conceps!jwl " 1408,15,"From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR Lines: 47 In article wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes: >In article atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > My problem with Science is that often it allows us to >assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us >with the ability to produce life through sexual relations, You assume this because you believe in a designing creator, and you observe our ability to procreate... >for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone. >Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision >through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power >to decide who should and should not be able to have >children? .... But then you observe our ability to modify fertility through intelligence & experiment, and draw no similar conclusions about God designing us for scientific inquiry & the use of the technology that it produces. How is it that one ability is ""obviously from God"", and the other not? > I cannot draw a solid line regarding where I >would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not, >but I will say this: Before one experiments with the >universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask >why they want this knowledge. I want to know the truth, and hold the Truth as the most basic of all ethical values, because correct moral judgement relies on knowing the truth, not vice versa. Moralities that assert that assent to a belief is a moral choice, and not compelled by evidence inevitably cut off the limb they sit upon. Falsification of evidence, conscious and unconscious, follows corrupting both the intellect and the heart. >I will say that each person should pray for guidance >when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and >should cease their unravelling if they have reason to >believe their search is displeasing to God. > > ---Malcusco If there is a God, he has nothing to fear from truth. As to imaginary gods and there followers: Be afraid. Be very afraid. Max " 1409,10,"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Re: Patrick Playoffs Look Like This Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 73 In article , bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes: |> In article <1993Apr13.132133.16224@sei.cmu.edu> gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) writes: |> |> > The Pens won't be playing Montreal, because Boston will win Adams |> > divisional play. Buffalo and Quebec will make decent showings. |> > Boston, out of sheer determination, will win a game against the Pens, |> > but no more. They have heart, but the Pens have too many big guns and |> > too many ways to win. |> |> If Boston does indeed win the Adams (nothing is certain), and |> indeed gets to play the Pens, then I think you'll find a very |> different Boston team this year. Boston will use every trick in the |> book to shut down the Pens offense -- something they didn't even try |> last year. The Pens' weak spot is defense and goaltending -- if Boston First, I enjoyed reading your post. Second, I disagree with the Pen's weak spot being defense and goaltending - for a couple of reasons. Barrasso has had a spectacular year - no slow start, consistently sharp, GAA < 3.0, and leads the league in wins. Tommy deserves the Vezina. Given the lack of respect he commands, though, I doubt he will win it. The other reason concerns the Pens' team defense. They are hovering around 3rd or 4th in the fewest goals allowed. That is a big improvement for them, and it indicates that they are playing better team defense. |> can shut down the Pens' offense and get an early goal, then you have a |> real game. If the Pens score first, then it's practically over. I |> don't think the Pens have the discipline to stick to the team game if |> they're held scoreless 5 minutes into the second. |> |> Boston doesn't have the guns of the Pens, but the Pens doesn't have |> the defense, goaltending, and discipline of Boston. Still, Boston can |> put the puck in the net. Remember that Boston is not a ""run-and-gun"" |> Patrick-style team, although they played run-and-gun hockey for the |> better part of the regular season (who doesn't). Even Neely backchecks |> all the way in behind his own net if necessary. |> |> Penalty-killing will be a big factor. Boston are, I believe +2 over |> the last 40-something short-handed situations, meaning they have |> scored 4 SHG while giving up 2 PPG (one in a lackluster game against |> Ottawa). |> |> I'd say the series will go to 5 or 6. But I'm much less certain |> whether it will be in favor of the Pens or the B's. Their styles going |> into the playoffs are too different to make it predictable. Still, I'd |> place my bets on the Pens I think. My prediction is that if the B's |> can get the first goal in four of the games, they'll take the series. |> Otherwise the Pens will. |> |> But I'd rather wait and see whether the B's will actually get out |> of the Adams to begin with... Buffalo, Quebec, and Montreal aren't |> exactly planning to call it a game and go home! |> |> -- |> -- Jan Brittenson |> bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu We'll see. It'll be fun. George =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= George J. Pandelios Internet: gjp@sei.cmu.edu Software Engineering Institute usenet: sei!gjp 4500 Fifth Avenue Voice: (412) 268-7186 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 FAX: (412) 268-5758 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the Software Engineering Institute, its sponsors, customers, clients, affiliates, or Carnegie Mellon University. In fact, any resemblence of these opinions to any individual, living or dead, fictional or real, is purely coincidental. So there. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 1410,15,"From: stanly@grok11.columbiasc.ncr.com (stanly) Subject: Re: Elder Brother Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC Lines: 15 In article REXLEX@fnal.gov writes: >In article shrum@hpfcso.fc.hp.com >Matt. 22:9-14 'Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find >there, invite to the wedding feast.'... >hmmmmmm. Sounds like your theology and Christ's are at odds. Which one am I >to believe? In this parable, Jesus tells the parable of the wedding feast. ""The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king which made a marriage for his son"". So the wedding clothes were customary, and ""given"" to those who ""chose"" to attend. This man ""refused"" to wear the clothes. The wedding clothes are equalivant to the ""clothes of righteousness"". When Jesus died for our sins, those ""clothes"" were then provided. Like that man, it is our decision to put the clothes on. " 1411,8,"From: ""Jae W. Chang"" Subject: BMW R65 info wanted Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape. It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too. Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that everything he says is true ? Thanks, Jae -------------------------- jae@cmu.edu " 1412,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured? Lines: 9 The traditions of the church hold that all the ""apostles"" (meaning the 11 surviving disciples, Matthias, Barnabas and Paul) were martyred, except for John. ""Tradition"" should be understood to read ""early church writings other than the bible and heteroorthodox scriptures"". -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 1413,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 27 Hal Heydt writes: >That was only the fall of the *Western* Empire. The *Eastern* Empire >continued for another 1000 years--and a key element in it's fall was >the *Christian* sack of Constantinople. Note that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire. The Roman Empire lasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople. The main reason for it's fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by the men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been excommunicated down to the last man after attacking the Christian city of Zara in Croatia), but rather the disastorous defeat in the battle of Mazinkert. After the Turks breached the frontier, it was only a matter of time before the Empire fell, the inability of the Empire to hold onto the rim of Anatolia, with the Ottomans and Rum Seljuks in the middle should be quite obvious to any student of history. The sack of Constantinople only hastened the inevitable along. For if the Greeks had wanted to save their empire, why would they not cooperate with the Crusaders when they came to do battle with the Saracens in the 1st-3rd Crusades? Because of their obstinacy over cooperating with people they considered heretics, even though those ""heretics"" were fighting for the cause of the Empire and Christendom in doing battle with the Turkish hordes in Anatolia, Edessa, Lebanon, Palastine, and Syria, the some hordes who were to later sack Constantinople, and overrun a third of Europe (the Balkans, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.) Andy Byler " 1414,4,"From: rsnyder@nyx.cs.du.edu (russ snyder) Subject: Re: Performa 450 internal modem? X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 In article ado@quince.bbn.com (Buz Owen) writes: >I hear that the Performa 450 is really an LCIII with an internal modem. Can >the modem part be obtained and installed in an LCIII? It would be nice if it >were actually a powerbook internal modem, but that might be too much to hope >for. I believe you were misinformed. I checked out one of the P450's at Sears last week. The modem is external 2400bps data with send-only FAX. " 1415,7,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.rist, another dealer service scam... Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 25 In article <1qk5m9$pbe@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >> >>I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally >>decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great ! >>I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light >>comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than >>the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles. >>Works for me, I must say. >> > >I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons. I was wondering >how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear >that somebody might steal my air-filter. Oh come on, Silly, all you have to do is cut a hole in your hood and put a tube there so you can get to the oil fill hole. What do you think all those big air intake things are for on those hot-rod cars? They're just for looks only...little does anyone know, they provide access to the oil-fill hole. Well, over where we live, we have problems with vandals stealing people's wheels. Those locking nuts didn't stop them. So to be safe and sure, I welded the lug nuts to my wheels together. It works, serious! I haven't had my wheels stolen yet! . " 1416,14,"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: University of Rochester In article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: > Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure > that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it. > Any comments? They exist. Even photosynthetic varieties. Not economical at this time, though. Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu " 1417,14,"From: dprjdg@inetg1.ARCO.COM (John Grasham) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company Lines: 44 keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) writes: > > All in all, I'm not certain that the single goal/prize of staying on the > moon for a year is wise and/or useful. How about: A prize for the > first > non-government sponsered unmanned moon landing, then another for a > manned > moon landing, then yet another for a system to extract consumables from > lunar soil, another for a reusable earth/moon shuttle, and so forth. > Find > some way to build civilian moonbase infrastructure... Having a single > goal > might result in a bunch of contestents giving up after one person > appeared > to win. And for those that didn't give up, I find something a little > scary > about a half dozen people huddling in rickety little moon shelters. I'd > like to see as much a reward for co-operation as for competition. > > Lastly, about ten or fifteen years back I seem to recall that there was > an > English space magazine that had an on-going discussion about moonbases > on > the cheap. I recalled it discussed things like how much heat the human > body produced, how much lunar material it'd need for protection from > solar > flares, etc. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of this magazine. > Does this ring a bell to anyone? > > Craig Keithley |""I don't remember, I don't recall, > Apple Computer, Inc. |I got no memory of anything at all"" > keithley@apple.com |Peter Gabriel, Third Album (1980) > I love the idea of progressive developmental prizes, but the assumption has been all along that only the U.S. Gummint could fund the prizes. It wouldn't and couldn't do such a thing ... BUT ... An eccentric billionaire COULD offer such a prize or series of prizes. Anyone know H. Ross Perot or Bill Gates personally? John G. " 1418,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >> >> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods. > > Perfectly correct, but it won't make any difference. Hmm. I beg to differ. It will probably make a big difference at some point. > >> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. > > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Thankfully, it is true that the majority go through life without having to use a firearm. Howver, there are situations where firearms are the most effective means of self protection. What other means do you propose as equally effective? > >> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >> scientific scrutiny. > > New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public > or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that > inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold > cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. New to this country? New to political theory? Alas, I was speaking of principle. Without principle, all attempts at republican forms of gov't are futile. There are times when public and political opinion are contrary to principle, which is why we have a Constitution which enumerates gov't powers and presumes certain rights. A major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the majority. > >> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. > > They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue > is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. > Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive > by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every > time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, > every time some moron kills his wife because she took the > last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' > in the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that* > clearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not > strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society > as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of > as many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough > active voters believe in that course. This is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought, not immediate perception. Of course, it doesn't always work that way. Fortunately, while there are no guarantees, logic sometimes does prevail. And, if not, there are still means for correction. As far as ""enough active voters"" are concerned, that is still an open question until the vote is made. > >> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters? > > Talk all you want. Talk about the ""good old days"" when > you used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will > take on the character of war stories ... and no one will > be very interested anymore. You portray a possible scenario for the future. But, how will you silence RKBA supporters right now? As long as public debate is allowed, such debate will continue. If we allow public debate to be restricted or denied, then we will get a gov't we deserve. Al [standard disclaimer] " 1419,3,From: twa2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Todd W Anderson) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 9 On my 486DX33 with the Stealth 24 VLB I get 11.4 WinMarks with ver. 3.11 1420,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 25 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article , jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: > I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in > connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't > rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. > Anyone else know anything on this angle? The General Chairman is Paul Bialla, who is some official of General Dynamics. The emphasis seems to be on a scaled-down, fast plan to put *people* on the Moon in an impoverished spaceflight-funding climate. You'd think it would be a golden opportunity to do lots of precusor work for modest money using an agressive series of robot spacecraft, but there's not a hint of this in the brochure. > Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( You're not hanging out with the Right People, apparently. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | ""I'm gonna keep on writing songs Fermilab | until I write the song Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | that makes the guys in Detroit Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | who draw the cars SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | put tailfins on 'em again."" --John Prine " 1421,2,"From: Chera Bekker Subject: WANTED: Xterm emulator for windows 3.1 Keywords: xterm Reply-To: bekker@tn.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands Lines: 14 Hello, I am looking for a Xterm emulator which runs under windows 3.1. Please reply via E-mail. Thanks. Chera Bekker -- H.G. Bekker E-mail: bekker@tn.utwente.nl Faculty of Applied Physics Voice: +3153893107 University of Twente Fax: +3153354003 The Netherlands " 1422,19,"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 62 In article <1quim9INNem8@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: > > >rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes: > >>Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the >>Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical >scholar I mean >>an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let >the >>chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may >otherwise be >>defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. >They are >>not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others). > >I've seen this claim about the ""Josephus insert"" flying around the >net too often to continue to ignore it. Perhaps it's true. Was >there only one Josephus manuscipt? If there were, say, 100 copies, >the forger would have to put his insert into all of them. By the >same token, since Josephus was a historian, why are biblical scholars >raising the flag? Historical scholars , I would think, would have >a better handle on these ancient secular documents. Can you give >researchers documents (page numbers, etc)? > >Jack I became aware of the claim years ago. So I decided to check it out, on my own. But, then, that was in BN times (Before Net). So, here are some references. See Robin Lane Fox's _The unauthorized version_, (p.284) where Lane Fox writes, ""... the one passage which appears to [comment on Jesus' career] is agreed to be a Christian addition."" In my Re:Albert Sabin response (C5u7sJ.391@sunfish.usd.edu) to Jim Lippard (21 April 93), I noted that consensus is typically indicated subtly as in Elaine Pagel's _The gnostic gospels_ (p.85), to wit: ""A comment *attributed* to Josephus reports ... [emphasis mine]"". Scholars sometimes do not even mention the two Josephus entries, another subtlety reflecting consensus. So far as I can deduce, today's consensus is built on at least three things: 1) the long passage is way out of context, 2) Origen did not know about the long passage, and 3) the short and long passages are contradictory. I don't know the references wherein the arguments which led to consensus are orginally developed (does anyone?). Biblical scholars as I defined them include theologians and historians. The former, like the latter, incorporate historical, social, technological and ideological contexts as well as theology. So the distinction is blurred. I didn't elaborate on that. Sorry. (In turn, historians are compelled to incorporate theology). Can't say about the number of copies. These were, however, BG times (Before Gutenburg). A hundred first editions seems exceedingly high; counting on one hand seems more reasonable. Perhaps those mss. without the long insert (if any, because anything is possible) have been destroyed. Such a practice is certainly not foreign to religions. Anyway, all we have are mss. which have the two entries. Lippart (in the message noted above) talks about an Arabic ms. But here the ms. date is critical. :-) Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota " 1423,3,"From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 30 >How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus? By initiating a DMA xfer. :) Seriously, busmastering adapter have their own DMA ability, they don't use the motherboards on-board DMA(which is *MUCH* slower). ISA has no bus arbitration, so if two busmastering cards in 1 ISA system try to do DMA xfers on the same DMA channel the system will lock or crash.(I forget) Their are 8 DMA channels in an ISA system. 0-7. 0-3 are 8-bit & 4-7 are 16-bit. The system uses DMA 0, a SoundBlaster uses DMA 1. I could buy a busmastering XGA-2 video card & a busmastering SCSI HA. In order for them to work properly, I would have to find out what DMA channel the XGA-2 card uses and then simply configure the SCSI HA to use a different DMA channel for its DMA xfers. I don't know if multiple DMA xfers can go on at the same time on ISA. I'm not sure if they can on EISA systems either. I do know that on EISA/MCA systems, you can allow BM cards to use the same DMA channel. Thanks. " 1424,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Organization: sgi Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <66486@mimsy.umd.edu>, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: |> Jeff West writes: |> |> >You claimed that people that took the time to translate the bible would |> >also take the time to get it right. But here in less than a couple |> >generations you've been given ample proof (agreed to by yourself above) |> >that the ""new"" versions ""tends to be out of step with other modern |> >translations."" |> |> What I said was that people took time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly. |> Translations present completely different issues. So why do I read in the papers that the Qumram texts had ""different versions"" of some OT texts. Did I misunderstand? jon. " 1425,9,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Hits Stolen -- Second Base 1992 Summary: Stolen Hits for all second basemen Keywords: second defense Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 117 Disclaimer -- This is for fun. In my computerized baseball game, I keep track of a category called ""stolen hits"", defined as a play made that ""an average fielder would not make with average effort."" Using the 1992 Defensive Averages posted by Sherri Nichols (Thanks Sherri!), I've figured out some defensive stats for the second basemen. Hits Stolen have been redefined as ""Plays Kurt Stillwell would not have made."" OK, I realize that's unfair. Kurt's probably the victim of pitching staff, fluke shots, and a monster park factor. But let's put it this way: If we replaced every second baseman in the NL with someone with Kurt's 57.6% out making ability, how many extra hits would go by? To try and correlate it to reality a little more, I've calculated Net Hits Stolen, based on the number of outs made compared to what a league average fielder would make. By the same method I've calculated Net Double Plays, and Net Extra Bases (doubles and triples let by). Finally, I throw all this into a a formula I call Defensive Contribution, or DCON :->. Basically, it represents the defensive contribution of a player. I add this number to OPS to get DOPS (Defense + Onbase Plus Slug), which should represent the player's total contribution to the team. So don't take it too seriously. The formula for DCON appears at the end of this article. The short version -- definition of terms HS -- Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to Kurt Stillwell NHS -- Net Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to average fielder NDP -- Net Double Plays -- Extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder NEB -- Net Extra Bases -- Extra bases prevented compared to avg. fielder DCON -- Defensive Contribution -- bases and hits prevented, as a rate. DOPS -- DCON + OPS -- quick & dirty measure of player's total contribution. National League name HS NHS NDP NEB DCON DOPS Alicea, L. 50 21 2 -1 .160 .865 Sandberg, R. 108 42 1 1 .134 1.015 Thompson, R. 65 20 5 -1 .104 .852 Lind, J. 66 8 -2 1 .027 .571 Doran, B. 31 -1 4 0 .014 .705 DeShields, D. 51 1 -2 1 -.002 .755 Harris, L. 25 -4 0 1 -.019 .602 Lemke, M. 43 -1 -5 -5 -.038 .573 Morandini, M. 37 -9 -6 0 -.069 .580 Randolph, W. 13 -16 3 -1 -.088 .582 Biggio, C. 34 -26 -4 0 -.091 .656 Stillwell, K. 0 -43 -3 -1 -.236 .336 Ordered by DOPS 1.015 Sandberg .865 Alicea .852 Thompson .755 DeShields .705 Doran .678 *NL Average* .656 Biggio .602 Harris .582 Randolph .580 Morandini .573 Lemke .571 Lind .336 Stillwell American League --------------- name HS NHS NDP NEB DCON DOPS Fletcher, S. 59 18 5 1 .116 .811 Reed, J. 83 17 3 1 .071 .708 Ripken, B. 56 9 -1 -1 .044 .631 Baerga, C. 67 0 10 0 .029 .838 Blankenship, L. 34 2 2 1 .023 .757 Miller, K. 34 -4 1 -1 -.016 .725 Alomar, R. 62 4 -9 -2 -.020 .812 Knoblauch, C. 50 -13 7 -3 -.024 .718 Bordick, M. 37 -4 -2 -1 -.025 .704 Kelly, P. 42 -1 -5 -1 -.039 .636 Whitaker, L. 40 -8 -1 -2 -.041 .806 Reynolds, H. 47 -6 -5 1 -.043 .603 Sax, S. 56 -6 -9 -1 -.052 .555 Sojo, L. 28 -11 -3 0 -.075 .602 Order by DOPS .838 Baerga .812 Alomar .811 Fletcher .806 Whitaker .757 Blankenship .725 Miller .718 Knoblauch .708 Reed .704 Bordick .691 *AL Average* .636 Kelly .631 Ripken .603 Reynolds .602 Sojo .555 Sax More discussion -- DCON formula: ((NHS + NDP)/PA) + ((NHS + NDP + NEB)/AB) Why such a bizzare formula? Basically, it's designed to be added into the OPS, with the idea that ""a run prevented is as important as a run scored"". The extra outs are factored into OBP, while the extra bases removed are factored into SLG. That's why I used PA and AB as the divisors. For more discussion see the post on Hits Stolen -- First Base 1992 -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 1426,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 9 In article frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: }Honda: a ""V"" designates a V engine street bike. ""VF"" for V-4, ""VT"" for V-twin. So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 1427,4,"From: jenski@cae.wisc.edu (Anders Jenski) Subject: Quadra 950/900 case source wanted Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 12 Hello all, If anyone knows of a place to get the case to hold the power supply and motherboard of a Quadra 950 please let me know. I have tried some mail order places and some local stores. Both groups would prefer that I part with over $1000 to get just the case. In my eyes this seems about $600-$700 to much. Any comments? I currently own the guts of a 950. Please email me or post to this group w/ info, Thanks in advance, Andy " 1428,0,"From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Lines: 44 werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong) writes: >mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: > >>Question 2: This attitude god character seems awfully egotistical >>and proud. But Christianity tells people to be humble. What's the deal? > >Well, God pretty much has a right to be ""egotistical and proud."" I >mean, he created _you_, doesn't he have the right to be proud of such >a job? > >Of course, people don't have much of a right to be proud. What have >they accomplished that can match God's accomplishments, anyways? How >do their abilities compare with those of God's. We're an ""imbecile >worm of the earth,"" to quote Pascal. Grumblegrumble... >If you were God, and you created a universe, wouldn't you be just a >little irked if some self-organizing cell globules on a tiny planet >started thinking they were as great and awesome as you? unfortunately the logic falls apart quick: all-perfect > insulted or threatened by the actions of a lesser creature > actually by offspring > ??????????????????? How/why shuold any all-powerful all-perfect feel either proud or offended? Anything capable of being aware of the relationship of every aspect of every particle in the universe during every moment of time simultaneously should be able to understand the cause of every action of every 'cell globule' on each tniy planet... >Well, actually, now that I think of it, it seems kinda odd that God >would care at all about the Earth. OK, so it was a bad example. But >the amazing fact is that He does care, apparently, and that he was >willing to make some grand sacrifices to ensure our happiness. ""All-powerful, Owner Of Everything in the Universe Makes Great Sacrifices"" makes a great headline but it doesn't make any sense. What did he sacrifice? Where did it go that he couldn't get it back? If he gave something up, who'd he give it up to? -chris [you guys have fun, I'm agoin' to Key West!!] " 1429,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 85 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >---------------------------------------------------------- by > Elias Davidsson Of all the stupid postings you've brought here recently, it is illuminating that you chose to put your own name on perhaps the stupidest of them. >The following proposal is based on the following assumptions: > >1. Fundamental human rights, such as the right to life, to >education, to establish a family and have children, to human >dignity, the right to free movement, to free expression, etc. are >more important to human existence that the rights of states. Does this mean that you are calling for the dismantling of the Arab states? >2. In the event of a conflict between basic human rights and >rights of collectivities, basic human rights should prevail. Apparently, your answer is yes. >6. Attempts to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict by traditional >political means have failed. Attempts to solve these problem by traditional military means and non-traditional terrorist means has also failed. But that won't stop them from trying again. After all, it IS a Holy War, you know.... >7. As long as the conflict is perceived as that between two >distinct ethnical/religious communities/peoples which claim the >land, there is no just nor peaceful solution possible. ""No just solution possible."" How very encouraging. >Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. You mean that it gets even funnier? >1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >and the other Palestinian-Arab. [...] >3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For >the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each >subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child. > >4. The Fund would be financed by a variety of sources which >have shown interest in promoting a peaceful solution to the >Israeli-Arab conflict, No, the Fund should be financed by the Center for Policy Research. It IS a major organization, isn't it? Isn't it? >5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. Yeah, just like marriages among Arabs has strengthened their societies. >The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the >Middle-East in a graceful manner. The world could do with a bit less Middle Eastern ""grace"". >Objections to this proposal will certainly be voiced. I will >attempt to identify some of these: Boy, you're a one-man band. Listen, if you'd like to Followup on your own postings and debate with yourself, just tell us and we'll leave you alone. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1430,8,"From: mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell) Subject: Re: Route Suggestions? Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Distribution: usa Summary: New York, heh? Lines: 17 In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes: > 55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined > into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic). You may also want to take a sidetrip along Seven Lakes Drive just off the parkway for the same reasons plus the road sweeps up and down along the hills with sweeping turns under old forest canopy. '\ Mitch Corrado _\______ Bell Communications Research / DEC \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com ____|___WRECK__\_____ (908)699-4128 / ___________________ \ \/ _===============_ \/ MAD VAX ""-===============-"" -The ""Code"" Warrior- " 1431,13,"From: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM (Alice Taylor) Subject: accupuncture and AIDS Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 8 Distribution: world Reply-To: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: tea4two A friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and wants to know if there is any danger of getting AIDS from the needles. Thanks, -alice " 1432,2,"From: begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (James Begole) Subject: Wincmd - trouble with string variables Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 19 Has anyone else been playing with that wincmd utility from PC Magazine? If so, I am having trouble concatenating string variables together and need your help. For example: temp = ""path"" temp2 = ""file.ext"" fullpath = temp+""/"" say fullpath // output = 'th/' fullpath = fullpath+temp2 say fullpath // output = 'h/file.ext' So, it seems to be dropping the first few characters with each concatenations. Is it that I am out of memory -- I only have maybe 20 variables total -- the article didn't mention memory limits. email me if you have an idea or would like to see the actual source and output. Thanks for your help. -Bo -- --James ""Bo"" Begole begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu " 1433,11,"From: A. Charles Gross Subject: I have seen the lobby, and it is us X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 17:40:17 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: l-b-johnson.eff.org Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr21.113152.395@gems.vcu.edu> , langford@gems.vcu.edu writes: >However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it >is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly >restricting. Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? >(Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too long >to start up. I would certainly join.) The NRA is successful because (among a number of things), on the drop of a hat, they can get a congresspersons office flooded with postcards, faxes and phone calls. Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of organization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate. As long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make a call to action. Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on those calls. I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is working in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the potential of the net for political action. Adam * I speak for myself " 1434,2,"From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) Subject: WANTED: Symantec address Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Lines: 5 -- *** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** *** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** *** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** *** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** " 1435,10,"From: colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) Subject: NHL Team Captains Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA) Summary: How Are Team Captains Selected? Lines: 12 In the mist of the Rangers soap box (i.e. Captain neMesis-ier/ex-coach Roger Nebula bad blood bath) and with high hopes turned to new coach Mr. Klean (Commissar Keenan)... I would like to know what procedures hockey teams use to select their captains (including A's). Are they selected by the coaching staff, do the players vote for a captain, or are they appointed by management? And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other team captain trivia would be appreciated. -- Mike " 1436,5,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: How to make simplest possible composite widget? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 Not being an Xt programmer by any stretch of the imagination, this is driving me crazy and it's probably really simple to do. I need to make a composite widget that does nothing at all but is merely a placeholder in a widget instance heirarchy -- allowing me an additional resource name level. To illustrate I have an application with the following widget heirarchy: Shell Widget | Application Widghet I want the following: Shell Widget | Intermediate Widget | Application Widget where the intermediate widget has a name but gets all its other properties (and propagates down new values) from the shell widget. I assume there's a simple way to do this but I can't find an example and the documentation I have is rather vague about implementing composite widgets. Please respond via email. Any help will be very much appreciated. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 1437,16,"From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) Subject: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 35 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: kazak.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] The following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending) article about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies, (sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...) and was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper at the University of Colorado at Boulder. ""A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder. Studies by the Western Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member will commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness."" I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as well. Thanx... --Dan -- DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.1 mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a 1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4= =S5ib -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- " 1438,16,"From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Lines: 29 Hmmm... I hadn't heard about rockets. ATF must be escalating their tall tails... anyway >If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why >shouldn't they have done something? Why should they have ""done something""? The Davidians had not attacked or even threatened anyone. >What possible use would a religious cult have for a rocket launcher? It is not yours nor the governments right to tell others what they have a legitimate right to own. >Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of Rights? Is child abuse now within the jurisdiction of the department of the treasury? Attacking citizens without due process on the strength of unsubstantiated rumors about a violation of a law which does not fall under your jurisdiction is a pretty serious breech of rights. >Shit, if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant >problem. >Clinton has only been in office for a few months. Give him a chance to get >something done. The guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning. >Give him a chance to work on things a little. As they say - Rome wasn't built >in a day. If he gets any more done we will really be in trouble! mike " 1439,4,"From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) Subject: Re: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x Keywords: backup, tape, Nntp-Posting-Host: me.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 22 In article <1pskkt$3ln@fnnews.fnal.gov> b91926@fnclub.fnal.gov (David Sachs) writes: >In article , generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) writes: >|> I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under >|> Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access the device. >Retrospect (Dantz) works nicely with this combination. I also use Retrospect, but I noticed that Central Point Software's ""MacTools Backup"" also supports the Apple tape drive under 7.x. The Apple tape drive is quite slow, so the advantages of Retrospect relative to the simpler MacTools Backup are less significant than might be the case for someone backing up a large server to a DAT drive. Used Apple tape drives are going for ~$100, so it might make less economic sense to pay an extra ~$140 for Retrospect when MacTools is cheaper and includes other worthwhile utilities. Retrospect is nice, though, and I'm probably going to upgrade to 2.0. -- -- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu) -- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949 " 1440,5,"From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore) Subject: Q: How to avoid XOpenDisplay hang? Keywords: Xlib Reply-To: andy@ice.stx.com Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD Lines: 13 I'm writing 'xwall', a simple X version of 'wall', and I want it to put a message up on each of a default list of displays. The problem is that XOpenDisplay hangs if one of the displays is currently controlled by xdm (login screen). I've been through the manuals and FAQ and don't see a simple way to see if a display is 'openable' ahead of time, or to get XOpenDisplay to fail after a short period of time. Any hints, suggestions, clues, or pointers to info? Thanks... -- Andy Moore (andy@ice.stx.com) _______________________________________________________________________________ ""You could say I've lost faith in the politicians/ They all seem like game show hosts to me..."" - Sting " 1441,9,"From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) Subject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL? Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES??? >THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE. >THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)! They ARE going PLACES - San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and points in between. :-) But, THEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME! I'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan. I really shouldn't discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK! (But, get ahold of that shift key, will ya?) ObBase: Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly like excuses. An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - ""If you read it here, it was somewhere else first"") said that he wouldn't take injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been accounted for. Uh, oh. I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on edge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows? Does anybody down there in the Houston area have a feel for how meddling of an owner McLain is going to be? -- Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX) DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189 " 1442,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 18 Apr 93 God's Promise in Philippians 4:9 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. Philippians 4:9 " 1443,9,"From: djc47305@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc ) Subject: re: Evil smile on my face as Cubs Beat Braves Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 29 Boy, hats off to any Cubs fan who can actually muster up the courage to put down Braves fans. I mean, all the Braves have done is gone to two consecutive world series. Also, being the Cubs fan that I am, I really have to hand it to all the Braves fans out there that are capable of driving me crazy with that infernal cheer that they have. However, I do have to protest anyone saying that all Cubs fans are stupid. The way I see it, either I'm just too stupid to acknowledge it, or that observation was just plain wrong. You might have us confused with Bear fans. ;) Anyway, about a two weeks ago just about everyone was saying that the Cubs would finish up last in their division. (Even behind Florida?!? Sheesh!) These same people were predicting the Braves to clean up in their respective division. Well, we're ten games into the season and these people are a little less vocal now. I wonder why. Well, the way I see it, the East is up for grabs, and whoever wants it most is going to take it, with the exception of Florida. Every team seems to have good batting and pitching, with Philly presently leading the pack. But, I just have to point out, if the Cubs do take the East, they'll do it without the benefit of a competent manager. However, and it pains me to say it, the pennant is going to go to the West. Just had to get that off my chest. Doc bem benefit of a compee " 1444,12,"From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu>, st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes... >I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz >68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously >a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the >systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for >the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works >fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer >of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) >might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some >suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications >problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? >Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought >that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). >Are there any MC68882RC33? > >Thanks > Christian > It appears as if the problem is related to the 68882/50's need for very fast (and clean) signal transitions. I got some email (Vielen Dank, Thomas) stating that Motorola provides a solution for this problem in their 68030 manual. Since my manual (1989) predates the 50 MHz 68030/68882s I couldn't find it. Could someone please email me the specifics? Thanks Christian " 1445,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: the usual Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) writes: >I just heard some anti-gun-control people giving the usual arguments: >It's everyone's right to bear arms, and the way to solve the problem >of people getting killed by guns is better law enforcement. >It strikes me that this argument could be logically extended as follows: >A nuclear weapon is an ""arm"", hence anyone has a right to have >nuclear weapons. And if someone uses his nuclear weapons to blow >up New York, L.A., and Chicago, that's okay as long as we have a >good police force capable of finding him and putting him in jail, >which will serve as a deterrent to others. >Do any anti-gun-control people disagree with this, and if so, why? Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement. Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things. (Can you say ""neutron flux""?) Plus these things have no self- defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use (low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration (translation: cities and population centers). Not to mention that for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live requires some sort of launch vehicle . . . aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 1446,10,"From: lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) Subject: STOP MAYNARD BASHING!!!! (was Re: Roger Maynard) Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Distribution: world Summary: stop this nonsense! Keywords: not fair, inconsiderate post Nntp-Posting-Host: asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: >Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an >article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? >These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts >and have little if any hockey info. >I have recieved two in the last 2 days. >I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who >disagrees with him. > >Gregmeister > You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the like! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca _______________________________________________________________________________ " 1447,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 I understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it is its right to annex it. I can't fully understand why it has to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated before the holocaust (the Final Solution) by Hitler. What I totally don't get is why the U.S. has to subsidize the existance of such a thorough abuser of human rights. Just wondering " 1448,1,"From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 19 In article <7306@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes: >What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with >fast routines than just ""polygons"". It would be nice to know exaclty what >system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the >implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P I don't want texture mapped, cause if I did I'd asked for them. :) Just a simple and fast routine to do filled polygons. As for the processor, it'd be for a minimum of a 286... maybe 386 if I can't find a good one for 286s. Ideally, I want a polyn function that can clip to a user-defined viewport, and write to an arbitrary location in memory. Of course the chances of finding something like that are pretty remote, so I guess I'd need the source with it. Oh, and I guess it would need to be in ASM otherwise it'd be too slow. I've seen some polygon routines in C, and they've all been waaay too slow. Its for a 3D vector graphics program. I've been hunting high and low for a polyn function in ASM, and I can't find one anywhere that I can use. I've found one or two polyn functions, but my ASM is pretty bad, so I won't even try to rewrite them. :) //Lucas. " 1449,5,"From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.UK (Yuri Rzhanov) Subject: XView slider Organization: The Internet Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert Hi netters, I'm using sliders in my XView apps, usually with editable numeric field. But I seem to have no control over the length of this field. In some apps it appears long enough to keep several characters, in some - it cannot keep even the maximum value set by PANEL_MAX_VALUE! As I understand, PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, which controls number of characters to be displayed in text items, doesn't work in the case of slider, despite the fact that contains the following bit: /* Panel_multiline_text_item, Panel_numeric_text_item, * Panel_slider_item and Panel_text_item attributes */ PANEL_NOTIFY_LEVEL = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_ENUM, 152), PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_INT, 182), which gives a hint that this attribute can be used for sliders. But 1) setting this attribute gives nothing, and 2) xv_get'ting this attribute gives warning: Bad attribute, and return value 0. Can someone share his experience in managing sliders in XView with me, and clear this problem? Any help is very much appreciated. Yuri yuri@uk.ac.hw.phy " 1450,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 39 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: |> (1) Don't use big capacitors. They are unreliable for timing due to |> leakage. |> |> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times |> or something like that. |> |> 1 MHz divided by 2^40 = 1 cycle per 2 weeks, approximately. |> |> (2) I wouldn't expect any components (other than batteries or electrolytic |> capacitors) to fail at -40 C (or -40 F for that matter either :) ). |> The battery is going to be your big problem. Also, of course, your |> circuit shouldn't depend on exact values of resistors (which a crystal- |> controlled timer won't). |> ... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency. |> -- |> :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** |> :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* |> :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * |> :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1451,8,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire. Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 37 In article , nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel M endell) writes: >Ken Orr (orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com) wrote: >: In article nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) writes: >: >Steve Mansfield (smm@rodan.UU.NET) wrote: >: >: Yes, my front tire is all but dead. It has minimal tread left, so it's >: >: time for a new one. Any recommendations on a good tire in front? I'm >: >: riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back. >: >: >: >: Steve Mansfield | The system we've learned says we're equal under la w >: >: smm@uunet.uu.net | But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will fall >: >: 1983 Suzuki GS550E | Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown >: >: DoD# 1718 | Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down. >: >: Queensryche - Speak the Word. >: > >: >The best thing is to match front and back, no? Given that the 99A (""Perfect"" ?) >: >is such a good tire, just go with that one >: > >: The Me99a perfect is a rear. The match for the front is the Me33 laser. >: >: DOD #306 K.O. >: AMA #615088 Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com > >Yeah, what *he* said....<:) > >Nathaniel >ZX-10 >DoD 0812 >AM >Yes, you definitely need a front tire on a motorcycle.... -- " 1452,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 24 In article <1993Mar24.182145.11004@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: >IMHO, you have Lyme disease. >I sent you in private email a summary of the treatment protocols put >forth by the Lyme Disease Foundation. I respectfully suggest that you >save yourself a great deal of suffering by contacting them for a >Lyme-knowledgeable physician referral and seek treatment at once. >You'll know in 2 weeks if you're on the right course; and the clock is >ticking on your 6 weeks if you have it. 1-800-886-LYME. If these folks are who I think they are, Lyme-knowledgeable may mean a physician to whom everything that walks in the door is lyme disease, and you will be treated for lyme, whether or not you have it. Hope you have good insurance. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1453,18,"From: piatt@gdc.COM (Gary Piatt) Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: General DataComm Ind. Inc., Middlebury, CT 06762 Lines: 51 Nntp-Posting-Host: esun228 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Dov Bai-MSI Visitor (bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: : In article sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: : >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk, : >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. : But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically : on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ? Some say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of the coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris. In either case, the property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years. : It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not : provide us automatically with our needs, Oh? When did She *stop*? Mother Nature has been automatically providing us with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze. It is not ""produced"": it produces itself, year after year. Last night, for example, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an earlier time, one of them would have been dinner. : There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to : _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. : The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced : it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages : arrange their affairs. The American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often freely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and clothing for weapons or services. The Native Hawaiians, like their Polynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared many things with the other Islanders. In fact, ""hi'ipoi"", the Hawaiian word for ""cherish"" means ""sharing food"". The Great Mahele, in which the Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and the poor, was a white man's idea. In Africa, villagers will often share tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village and neighboring villages. Every anthropologist who has ever been to Africa has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so- called ""theft"" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which, until the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding. These are the people we call ""savages"". On the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year. Dov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would behoove you to study *all* of the facts. -garison " 1454,14,"From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Subject: A WRENCH in the works? Originator: jmcocker@c00068-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 19 Hi all, I really thought that by now I would have seen something about this, but I haven't, so here goes: Last night on the evening news, the anchorperson said something to the effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. There was no elaboration as to where specfically the item was found, of what type of wrench it was, but the anchorperson did say something about a NASA official commenting that there would be an inquiry into how the thing got in the SSRB. Has anybody else on the net whose info sources may be better than mine heard anything about this? It seems rather weird. Mitch ---------------------------->jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu " 1455,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Successful Balloon Flight Measures Ozone Layer Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 96 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from: PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. (818) 354-5011 Contact: Mary A. Hardin FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 15, 1993 #1506 Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory report the successful flight of a balloon carrying instruments designed to measure and study chemicals in the Earth's ozone layer. The April 3 flight from California's Barstow/Daggett Airport reached an altitude of 37 kilometers (121,000 feet) and took measurements as part of a program established to correlate data with the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS). The data from the balloon flight will also be compared to readings from the Atmospheric Trace Molecular Spectroscopy (ATMOS) experiment which is currently flying onboard the shuttle Discovery. ""We launch these balloons several times a year as part of an ongoing ozone research program. In fact, JPL is actively involved in the study of ozone and the atmosphere in three important ways,"" said Dr. Jim Margitan, principal investigator on the balloon research campaign. ""There are two JPL instruments on the UARS satellite,"" he continued. ""The ATMOS experiment is conducted by JPL scientists, and the JPL balloon research provides collaborative ground truth for those activities, as well as data that is useful in its own right."" The measurements taken by the balloon payload will add more pieces to the complex puzzle of the atmosphere, specifically the mid-latitude stratosphere during winter and spring. Understanding the chemistry occurring in this region helps scientists construct more accurate computer models which are instrumental in predicting future ozone conditions. The scientific balloon payload consisted of three JPL instruments: an ultraviolet ozone photometer which measures ozone as the balloon ascends and descends through the atmosphere; a submillimeterwave limb sounder which looks at microwave radiation emitted by molecules in the atmosphere; and a Fourier transform infrared interferometer which monitors how the atmosphere absorbs sunlight. Launch occurred at about noontime, and following a three- hour ascent, the balloon floated eastward at approximately 130 kilometers per hour (70 knots). Data was radioed to ground stations and recorded onboard. The flight ended at 10 p.m. Pacific time in eastern New Mexico when the payload was commanded to separate from the balloon. ""We needed to fly through sunset to make the infrared measurements,"" Margitan explained, ""and we also needed to fly in darkness to watch how quickly some of the molecules disappear."" It will be several weeks before scientists will have the completed results of their experiments. They will then forward their data to the UARS central data facility at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland for use by the UARS scientists. The balloon was launched by the National Scientific Balloon Facility, normally based in Palestine, Tex., operating under a contract from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility. The balloon was launched in California because of the west-to-east wind direction and the desire to keep the operation in the southwest. The balloons are made of 20-micron (0.8 mil, or less than one-thousandth of an inch) thick plastic, and are 790,000 cubic meters (28 million cubic feet) in volume when fully inflated with helium (120 meters (400 feet) in diameter). The balloons weigh between 1,300 and 1,800 kilograms (3,000 and 4,000 pounds). The scientific payload weighs about 1,300 kilograms (3,000) pounds and is 1.8 meters (six feet) square by 4.6 meters (15 feet) high. The JPL balloon research is sponsored by NASA's Upper Atmosphere Research Program and the UARS Correlative Measurements Program. ##### ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. " 1456,3,"From: arthur@hardy.u.washington.edu (howard roark) Subject: PROBLEM WITH PRINTER AND EMM386.EXE!! Article-I.D.: shelley.1qtbh0INN7nh Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu I recently decided to try using emm386.exe for a memory manager and when I tried to print to my printer in lpt1 from word55 I wouldn't work. It would send the linefeeds for the top margin and then the printer READY light would go off and stop working. I disabled emm386.exe and the problem went away. I would like to continue using emm386.exe if possible. I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions!! please send them to arthur@u.washingt, arthur@u.washington.edu " 1457,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: 2.5 million Muslims perished of butchery at the hands of Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 92 In article <1993Apr25.015551.23259@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes: > Actually, Jarmo is a permanent resident of my killfile Anyone care to speculate on this? I'll let the rest of the net judge this on its own merits. Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished of butchery at the hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only the killing of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian Armenia. They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of Ottoman Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines genocide as acting with a 'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.' History shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate the Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the Armenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including U.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy as a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the extermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor those who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians. The eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established, beyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people during the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy was clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian territories. The Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and their wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed. The massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and perpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian Government. The principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were Dro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri, Karakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian. Source: ""Bristol Papers"", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920. ""I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."" Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1918). The French version: ""Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens sur la Population Musulmane,"" (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K. Turkozu, ed., ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., ""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974) and, edited by the same author, ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...,"" Vol. 32, 83 (December 1983), document numbered 1881. ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,"" Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document numbered 1869. ""Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to. Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages left behind after their occupation of this area."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1458,6,From: kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu (Robert Kohlhepp) Subject: RasterOps 8XL Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 14 I have a video board for sale for Macintosh NU-Bus machines. My other deal fell through. I am asking $200. RasterOps 8XL 640x480 800x600 <--- This was incorrectly posted as 832x624 before. 640x870 1024x768 (60hz & 75 hz) 1152x870 Make offers by mail. -- RJ Kohlhepp Novell Systems Staff kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu Computer Aided Engineering 1459,9,"From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 17 dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) writes: >In article <4200419@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: >>I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman >>and his infamous moon-raker drives... >I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across >the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof. He >whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out! My favorite was the Barry Foote homer that bounced on Waveland and through a second floor window across the street. Second though, would be the Kong drive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the park at Waveland. Mike Timlin timlin@spot.colorado.edu " 1460,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Ontology (was: Benediktine Metaphysics) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 46 In article <66019@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: > >> IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST. > >""Contradictory"" is a property of language. If I correct this to > > > THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST > No need to correct it, it stands as it is said. >I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to > > THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST > >then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in >description are merely failures in description. > You miss the point entirely. Things defined by contradictory language do not exist. Though something existing might be meant, conclusions drawn from the description are wrong, unless there is the possibility to find the described, and draw conclusions from direct knowledge of the described then. Another possibility is to drop the contradictory part, but that implies that one can trust the concept as presented and that one has not got to doubt the source of it as well. >(I'm not an objectivist, remember.) > Neither am I. But either things are directly sensed (which includes some form of modelling, by the way) or they are used in modelling. Using something contradictive in modelling is not approved of. Wonder why? We remain with the question if something contradictory can be sensed as contradictory. An important point is that either one manages to resolve the contradictions or one is forced not to use or to refer to the contradictory part in drawing conclusions, or one will fall in the garbage in garbage out trap. Benedikt " 1461,2,"From: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lance Gay) Subject: Out of environment space running BAT files from Windows Article-I.D.: venice.1993Apr23.005117.21582 Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA Lines: 17 I have a .BAT file that I run under a Windows Icon. I have set up a PIF file to run the BAT file in exclusive mode and to use the entire screen. The first line of the BAT file sets an environment variable. My problem is that on some of our machines (running MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode), the SET command in the BAT file fails with the OUT OF ENVIRONMENT SPACE error. I have raised the amount of environment space to 2048 bytes using the SHELL command in CONFIG.SYS so I know that I am nowhere near to running out. If I just click on the MS-DOS icon, I can create a bunch of environment varibles from the DOS shell. The problem is that on some machines, setting the value of an environment variable in a BAT file fails. Has anyone seen such behavior before? I see no place in the PIF fail to configure environment space. Lance J. Gay Internet: gay@venice.sedd.trw.com TRW Systems Engineering & Development Div. Phone: 310-764-3988 Carson, CA 90746 " 1462,0,"From: tclark@tlcslip.uncecs.edu (Thomas B. Clark) Subject: Re: ""So help you God"" in court? Reply-To: tclark@med.unc.edu Organization: UNC School of Medicine Lines: 11 I don't think there is really any question about which god the courts mean. The request for solemnly swearing, so help you god, is always made after a request to pick up the bible in your left hand and hold up your right hand. In the courts of NC, at least, it is always an old and new testament. Though it is hard to imagine, picking up the bible and swearing to (whatever) god is sometimes the least of the religious influence. There is a court in Greensboro, NC, where the judge routinely has everyone in the courtroom stand to join him in prayer at the beginning of every session. I've thought about sitting through it, but I'm not terribly anxious to spend 30 days in jail... " 1463,1,"From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 15 In article <1r3lf9$fu0@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mark A. Cartwright writes: >Well, > >42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the >answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" >That is to quote Douglas Adams in a round about way. > >Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... But the Question was later revealed to be: What is 9 x 6? (In the base 13 system, of course.) -- Chuck Divine " 1464,8,"From: maxg@microsoft.com (Max Gilpin) Subject: HONDA CBR600 For Sale Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: CBR Hurricane Distribution: usa Lines: 8 For Sale 1988 Honda CBR600 (Hurricane). I bought the bike at the end of last summer and although I love it, the bills are forcing me to part with it. The bike has a little more than 6000 miles on it and runs very strong. It is in nead of a tune-up and possibly break pads but the rubber is good. I am also tossing in a TankBag and a KIWI Helmet. Asking $3000.00 or best offer. Add hits newspaper 04-20-93 and Micronews 04-23-93. Interested parties can call 206-635-2006 during the day and 889-1510 in the evenings no later than 11:00PM. " 1465,5,"From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool) Subject: is there a simple way to check what action a mouse button will take? Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 w/o actually executing it? somehow one of my xterminal users has made it so that a click of MB3 (right) automatically kills all clients - oh my :-( thanx, fish -- John R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683 ""So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking, racing around to come up behind you again."" -rw/dg " 1466,13,"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu Carl Lydick: > And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any > evidence that that's the ingredient to which you reacted. Believe what you will. The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events. Steve " 1467,5,"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article AA04287@neko.CSS.GOV, nancie@neko.CSS.GOV (Nancie P. Marin) writes: >I am trying to use XCopyPlane to copy a single plane >from a depth-8 pixmap to a depth-1 pixmap. Everytime I >try this, I see absolutely nothing displayed. I know there >is data in the depth-8 pixmap becuase I have checked by doing >an XCopyArea to the screen. The code fragment looks reasonable, but is your logic valid? Just because something appears in an 8 bit deep pixmap doesn't mean every bit plane contains data. Did you try each plane? --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com " 1468,5,"From: jessea@u013.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher) Subject: X version of whois?? Organization: Varco-Pruden Buildings Lines: 8 Has an X version of whois been written out there? If so, where can I ftp it from? Thanks. -- Jesse W. Asher (901)762-6000 Varco-Pruden Buildings 6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN 38119 Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com UUCP: vpbuild!jessea " 1469,2,"From: kjell@hut.fi (Kjell Ljungqvist) Subject: Driver for Panasonic KX-P4430 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 15 Distribution: comp Reply-To: Kjell.Ljungqvist@hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.cs.hut.fi Greetings! I am looking pro a Win 3.1 printer driver for the Panasonic laser printer KX-P4430. (I am not sure about the order of the first letters in the name, but the numbers are right and they are important.) I have found drivers for Panasonic printers 4450 and so on, but I think there should be drivers available where the 4430 model is included. Grateful for any help! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kjell@hut.fi kjell@niksula.hut.fi kjell@vipunen.hut.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1470,19,"From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: EIT Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article #In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank >#O'Dwyer) wrote: >#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values. ># >#You now pushed down the defintion of objectivity into realm of >#objective values. So you need to explain that as well, as well >#as the objective sub-parts, the objective atoms, quarks... >Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. You keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it means. Perhaps you should explain what you think ""science has it's basis in values"" means. The reason why people DO science is that they value it's results. That does not mean that science has it's basis in values. Any more than DES stops working if I stop valuing my privacy. >So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >from subjective values, before we go any further. See above. -Ekr -- Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com Would you buy used code from this man? " 1471,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 20 Hmm... am I the only person that remembers Masada? This isn't the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid persecution/capture... and you seem to miss the point that the raid SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! I find the FBI actions too damn reminiscent of the Warsaw Ghetto... fitting that Al Gore was in Poland for events marking the 50th anniversery of that... Remove any references to dates and you have two raids by government troops wearing black uniforms, carrying automatic weapons, backed by armored vehicles, against religious minorities they claim were practicing sexually deviant behavior and hoarding weapons... Too damn similar... James ps: I am not advocating the BD's, I just find the whole situation too damn troubling. -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 1472,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Minority Abuses in Greece. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 201 In article mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes: > Well, ZUMABOT claims just the opposite: That Greeks are not allowing >Turks to exit the country. Now, explain this: The number of Turks in >Thrace has steadily risen from 50,000 in 23 to 80,000, while the Greeks of Dr. Goebels thought that a lie repeated enough times could finally be believed. I have been observing that 'Poly' has been practicing Goebels' rule quite loyally. 'Poly's audience is mostly made of Greeks who are not allowed to listen to Turkish news. However, in today's informed world Greek propagandists can only fool themselves. For instance, those who lived in 1974 will remember the TV news they watched and the newspapers they read and the younger generation can read the American newspapers of July and August 1974 to find out what really happened. There are in Turkiye the Greek Hospital, The Greek Girls' Lycee Alumni Association, the Principo Islands Greek Benevolent Society, the Greek Medical Foundation, the Principo Greek Orphanage Foundation, the Yovakimion Greek Girls' Lycee Foundation, and the Fener Greek Men's Lycee Foundation. As for Greece, the longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' in titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts have ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, the Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti Turkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks in Western Thrace. Such community associations had been active until 1984. But they were first told to remove the word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official papers and then eventually close down. This is also the final verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court. In the city of Komotini, a former Greek Parliamentarian of Turkish parentage, was sentenced recently to 18 months of imprisonment with no right to appeal, just for saying outloud that he was of Turkish descent. This duly-elected ethnic Turkish official was also deprived of his political rights for a period of three years. Each one of these barbaric acts seems to be none other than a vehicle, used by the Greek governments, to cover-up their inferiority complex they display, vis-a-vis, the people of Turkiye. The Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,' which demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference to 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the existence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the essential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger Turkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the three nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of themselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized according to the agreements? Poor 'Poly.' It also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece and the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world. The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish minority. They pursue the same denial in connection with the Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition, in 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091, virtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and other charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting religious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek governments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective of the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although the Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in Greece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing its religious leaders. Talk about democracy. The government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic convention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' Greek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection of historical monuments. The government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new churches in remote villages as a complementary step toward Hellenizing the region. And you pondered. Sidiropoulos, the president of the Macedonian Human Rights Committee, became the latest victim of a tactic long used by the Greeks to silence critics of policies of forced assimilation of the Macedonian minority. A forestry official by occupation, Sidiropoulos has been sent to 'internal exile' on the island of Kefalonia, hundreds of kilometers away from his native Florina. His employer, the Florina City Council, asked him to depart in 24 hours. The Greek authorities are trying to punish him for his involvement in Copenhagen. He returned to Florina by his own choice and remains without a job. Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating the plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their findings were published in a report titled 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.' The report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the Turkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, the Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the Lausanne Convention. The Turkish cemeteries in the village of Vafeika and in Pinarlik were attacked, and tombstones were broken. The cemetery in Karotas was razed by bulldozers. Shall I go on? Why not? The people of Turkiye are not going to take human rights lessons from the Greek Government. The discussion of human rights violations in Greece does not stop at the Greek frontier. In several following articles I shall dwell on and expose the Greek treatment of Turks in Western Thrace and the Aegean Macedonians. It has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration has an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made plans to supply it with the tanks and armored vehicles it has to destroy in accordance with the agreement reached on conventional arms reductions in Europe. Meanwhile, Greek and Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have planned to take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the transfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern Cyprus, a process that will conflict with the spirit of the agreement on conventional arms reduction in Europe. An acceptable method may certainly be found when there is a will. But we know of various kinds of violent behaviors ranging from physical attacks to the burning of buildings. The rugs at the Amfia village mosque were dragged out to the front of the building and burnt there. Shots were fired on the mosque in the village of Aryana. Now wait, there is more. 'Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Inedited Documents and Evidence of English and French Officers,' Published by The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne, Lausanne, Imprimerie Petter, Giesser & Held, Caroline, 5 (1919). pages 82-83: << 1. The train going from Denizli to Smyrna was stopped at Ephesus and the 90 Turkish travellers, men and women who were in it ordered to descend. And there in the open street, under the eyes of their husbands, fathers and brothers, the women without distinction of age were violated, and then all the travellers were massacred. Amongst the latter the Lieutenant Salih Effendi, a native of Tripoli, and a captain whose name is not known, and to whom the Hellenic authorities had given safe conduct, were killed with specially atrocious tortures. 2. Before the battle, the wife of the lawyer Enver Bey coming from her garden was maltreated by Greek soldiers, she was even stript of her garments and her servant Assie was violated. 3. The two tax gatherers Mustapha and Ali Effendi were killed in the following manner: Their arms were bound behind their backs with wire and their heads were battered and burst open with blows from the butt end of a gun. 4. During the firing of the town, eleven children, six little girls and five boys, fleeing from the flames, were stopped by Greek soldiers in the Ramazan Pacha quarter, and thrown into a burning Jewish house near bridge, where they were burnt alive. This fact is confirmed on oath by the retired commandant Hussein Hussni Effendi who saw it. 5. The clock-maker Ahmed Effendi and his son Sadi were arrested and dragged out of their shop. The son had his eyes put out and was then killed in the court of the Greek Church, but Ahmed Effendi has been no more heard of. 6. At the market, during the fire, two unknown people were wounded by bayonets, then bound together, thrown into the fire and burnt alive. The Greeks killed also many Jews. These are the names of some: Moussa Malki, shoemaker killed Bohor Levy, tailor killed Bohor Israel, cobbler killed Isaac Calvo, shoemaker killed David Aroguete killed Moussa Lerosse killed Gioia Katan killed Meryem Malki killed Soultan Gharib killed Isaac Sabah wounded Moche Fahmi wounded David Sabah wounded Moise Bensignor killed Sarah Bendi killed Jacob Jaffe wounded Aslan Halegna wounded....>> Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1473,5,"From: thor@surt.ATd.ucar.EDU (Richard E. Neitzel) Subject: xcursor4.1 Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research Lines: 9 To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu Xcursor version 4.1 is now on export as xcursor4.1.tar.Z. I've added a new option to determine if a requested cursor size is OK. Of course, your server may lie! -- Richard Neitzel thor@thor.atd.ucar.edu Torren med sitt skjegg National Center For Atmospheric Research lokkar borni under sole-vegg Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 Gjo'i med sitt shinn 303-497-2057 jagar borni inn. " 1474,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 42 jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) writes: >Brian Kendig (bskendig@netcom.com) wrote: >: >: Can you please point to something, anything, that proves to me that >: the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact >: the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes? >: >: Can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very >: cleverly-constructed fable, and that it does indeed have some bearing >: on my own personal day-to-day life? > >Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the >events surrounding Jesus' life? No. There are two problems here: (1) Peter died two millenia ago. The original letters he wrote have long since decayed into dust. If he were alive today and I could question him, then this might lend credibility to your claims (but probably not much, because after all, I've heard people claim with all sincerity that they've spoken with Elvis recently). But after his death, Peter's writings were transcribed by monks for centuries, and I find it hard to believe that one of them somewhere didn't decide to change the wording of something to make it (in his opinion) a little easier to understand. (2) Even if Peter did witness the miracles of Jesus two millenia ago, that doesn't mean that your deity is what the Bible says it is (God might just be Satan, trying to convince everyone that he's a nice guy), or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world today. Nice try, but it just isn't enough to convince me, especially since your wild claims about your deity seem to fly in the face of the way I've observed the world to work. Please find something more compelling. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 1475,2,From: rwag@gwl.com (Rodger Wagner) Subject: Running C++ EXE under Windows 3.1 Reply-To: rwag@gwl.com Organization: The Great-West Life Assurance Company. X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an individual at The Great-West Life Assurance Company and do not necessarily reflect those of the company. Lines: 17 Preface: I am a novice user at best to the Windows environment. I am trying to execute a MS C++ 7.0 executable program which accesses a Btrieve database to build an ASCII file. When I execute it under windows the screen goes blank and my PC locks up. The only way for me to return is to reset the machine. Does anyone have any insight on what I may have to do in order for the program to correctly under windows? (By the way it runs fine in DOS 5.0) System: Gateway 486/DX250 ATI Graphics Ultra Card 640x480 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rodger 1476,4,"From: steveh@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Steve Howell) Subject: Re: Quadra 700 Sound Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Lines: 23 The Quadra 700 goes thru extensive initalize routines of its hardware, read's PRAM, obtains all info from last session including the volume setting, and then executes the sound procedure for the startup sound, and wait's on the SCSI controller to respond to the boot up code. If the DRAM produces an error, or a registers cannot be read from a device, or the device corrupts that address/data or control paths, then if it is possible, the firmware branchs to another sound routine that produces the 'sad mac' sound. This is a general breifing of the start up procedure of a typical mac. If you cannot control the volume of the quadra, even at boot up, then i feel there is something incorrect with the logic board. My Quadra 700 does not show the problems you are having. Steve H " 1477,12,"From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 10 In article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes: > The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus > our use of the Ohms... Yeah, right. And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite. Rich " 1478,4,"From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard) Subject: Re: ** Need Advice ** (about Tech Works etc.) Article-I.D.: oracle.1993Apr6.185706.15033 Organization: Oracle Corp Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: hqsun7.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Gregory Welch writes: > > ... I followed the instructions for >returning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks. > >Well, months went by, and no credit. After many calls (almost none of which were >ever returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me ""Why we never >received your old chips."" I then explained I the procedure that I had >followed to return them, to which the person replied ""You mean you sent them >US Mail?"" (which I had, per the original sales person's instructions.) I was >told that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that >I should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc. ... I also returned PB memory last summer for credit, and the sales person warned me not to use US mail. I did (although I did insure the shipment), and apparently Techworks got it. My minor grip with techworks is that they have different price lists for different people. I ordered DUO memory, thinking I got their ""best"" price because of my employeer. I subsequently found out that Apple was offering developers memory for less than techworks charged, called up to complain, and was told I should have said I was an apple developer and they credited my card for about 16% of the purchase price. I like techworks quality and installation instructions (and they include powerbook tools), but for out-of-CA purchases (no sales tax) chip merchant seems to be a bit less. -- Forrest Howard Oracle Corporation 500 Oracle Parkway Box 65414 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 " 1479,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: hydra.91528 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 In article umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes: >They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework >that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here, >only 5 goals. Well, Druce pretty much sucked when he was with the Caps. He had one good **playoffs** (not season). oh well. The Caps are notorious for making stupid trades anyway, as can be seen with the Cicarelli and Hrivnak trades. Sigh. In another note... I'd have to say the Caps biggest surprise was Cote, as many Caps fans had been expecting a lot from Bondra already. -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 1480,5,"From: scornd4@technet.sg (HIANLEONG ONG) Subject: Re: ..Image processing Packages under X.. Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 20 Prateek Mishra (mishra@cs.sunysb.edu) wrote: : I am looking for a package that implements standard : image processing functions (reading/writing from : standard formats), clipping, zoom, etc. implemented : under X. Both public domain and private packages : are of interest. The particular application area I : have in mind is medical imaging, but a package meant : for a more general context would be acceptable. : Please reply to me; I will summarize on the net if : there is general interest. : - prateek mishra : mishra@sbcs.sunysb.edu keep tabs with the FAQ in sci.image.processing. There is quite a comprehensive compilation of image processing s/w (X included). I've ftp'ed ImageMagick and its great. Check out the FAQ its all there. " 1481,11,"From: cmsph02@nt.com (Steven Holton) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. Lines: 25 In article <1r1f62$rh5@news.intercon.com>, amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) wrote: > One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of > security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. > This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to ^^^^^^^ Probably cheaper than you think. I'll bet some of my (and yours) tax dollars become a subsidy for these chips. If these chips don't sell well, what's to stop the US government from 'giving' them away (in the interest of National Security)? > deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you > look at it :). > > Amanda Walker > InterCon Systems Corporation -- Steven P. Holton Network Administrator - RTP FAST Northern Telecom, Inc. Replies To: cmsph02@nt.com on bounce: [ sholton@aol.com | 70521.2430@compuserve.com ] ""Opinions expressed here are my own."" " 1482,18,"From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > >A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid >is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as >me how, I just have seen the results. Gee, the War on Drugs has been going on for all these years and they're still getting drugs! Imagine that... My friends who like grass (I don;t agree but it's pretty harmless) are unable to get it, yet I know a number of places where someone stupid enough could get crack cocaine within a half hour of leaving my office. The War on Drugs has been completely unsuccessful, yet it's lead to really horrible abuses of peoples' COnstitutional rights. I don't see how a thinking person could justify it. don " 1483,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral >exploration. > >Basically get the eco-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth. They aren't going to leave a loophole as glaring as space mining. Quite a few of those people are, when you come right down to it, basically against industrial civilization. They won't stop with shutting down the mines here; that is only a means to an end for them now. The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without the revolution is treason of the vilest kind. Trying to harness these people to support spaceflight is like trying to harness a buffalo to pull your plough. He's got plenty of muscle, all right, but the furrow will go where he wants, not where you want. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 1484,16,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article , holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > >What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. Would >those work very well in stopping an attack? Ask the Brits. Enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now use them under only certain ""controlled"" circumstances. And they are fired from something that looks like a tear gas launcher. There are smaller rubber bullets and pellets (for shotguns). I understand that they are only intended to be discouragers, ie. for the snapping but not truly dangerous animal. In general, they do not seem capable of really stopping someone who wants you or past you. They are fired at very low muzzle velocity (the .38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load). Finally, as your mother warned you, you can put an eye out with that thing. :-) -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 1485,5,"From: thor@surt.atd.ucar.edu (Richard E. Neitzel) Subject: XQueryBestCursor semi-broken? Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research Lines: 18 Some one asked me recently why they when they used XQueryBestCursor to see if they could create of a given size it seemed to imply they could, but the server did not create cursors of that size. Investigation showed that some X servers will happily return any size up to the size of the root window, while others return some fixed limit of more reasonable size. The interesting thing to me is that the same server binary acts differently on different hardware - a Sun4 with a cg2 will claim cursors up to root window size are OK, while a Sun4 with a cg6 will stop at 32x32. So far I've also seen this behavior on NCD and Phase-X X terminals and have been told it also occurs on HPs. Actually, the NCD is even more liberal - sizes much larger then the root winodw are gladly returned as OK. Is XQueryBestCursor semi-broken or is this behavior correct? I'd really like to see a 2000x2000 cursor! -- Richard Neitzel thor@thor.atd.ucar.edu Torren med sitt skjegg National Center For Atmospheric Research lokkar borni under sole-vegg Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 Gjo'i med sitt shinn 303-497-2057 jagar borni inn. " 1486,15,"From: bluelobster+@cmu.edu (David O Hunt) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 24 On 23-Apr-93 in Serbian genocide Work of God? user James Sledd@ssdc.sas.upe writes: >Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving >to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are >muslims? Bingo - that and there's no oil there. On 23-Apr-93 in Serbian genocide Work of God? user James Sledd@ssdc.sas.upe writes: >Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... If this is the ""work of god"" then I'm doubly glad that I don't worship him. David Hunt - Graduate Slave | My mind is my own. | Towards both a Mechanical Engineering | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and Carnegie Mellon University | <<>> | Jewish homeland! ====T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D=========T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D===== Email: bluelobster+@cmu.edu Working towards my ""Piled Higher and Deeper"" It will be a great day when scientists and engineers have all the R&D money they need and religions have to beg for money to pay the priest. " 1487,6,"From: UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET Subject: Software Sale Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network Lines: 34 Hi, I have the following software forsale: Microsoft MS-DOS 5.0 3.5""DD $15 -- This is a good buy for those who don't need all the utils in DOS 6.0 Accolade Hardball II 5.25""DD $10 -- Good arcade baseball game, graphics/sound are pretty good, has the ability to make schedules and edit player stats Accolade The Third Courier 5.25""HD $5 -- Adventure/Spy type game EGA Earl Weaver 2 3.5""DD $15 -- Good arcade/strategy type baseball game, you have ability to play for league play, i have MLB stats for 1990 and 1991 EGA Stormovik SU25: Soviet Attack Fighter 3.5""DD $10 -- Good fighter simulation, various missions and levels of play Sierra Thexder FireHawk 3.5"" & 5.25"" $5 -- Arcade shoot 'em up type game, nice music and sound effects Virgen Scrabble 3.5"" $5 -- computer version of the popular board game I'm willing to negotiate on the prices, prices do not include shipping. Shipping costs will be split 50/50. Drop me a line! :) Roberto Alvarez ud156844@ndsuvm1 Programmer Analyst ud156844@vm1.nodak.edu University of North Dakota adrxa@undjes2 " 1488,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.060553.22453 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 14 In article ""Daniel U. Holbrook"" writes: >>> > [stuff about RHD deSoto's deleted] >Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on Australians still do drive on the ""wrong"" side of the road. I believe Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped all the traffic signs around one Sunday.... >the ""wrong"" side of the road, so the export market might have been >larger then than just the UK. > Craig " 1489,4,"From: wis@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. W.I. Sellers) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Organization: The University of Liverpool Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: uxd.liv.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote: : In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: : > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: : >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is : >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? : > The LC family of Macs can only : > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. : Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the : difference is between PDS and Nubus? : Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a : Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to : locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for : this? I think that there do exist NuBus expansion cages (I'm sure I've seen them advertised occassionally), but I think that the main problem is that they cost much more than the difference in price between say a LC and IIvx so unless you need lots of NuBus slots its not worth the bother. (Of course, it may be that these extra boxes are so expensive because no one buys them because they are so expensive...) NuBus technology isn't a special Apple Proprietry thing (I have this sneaky feeling that it is licensed from Texas Instruments???) so there is no problem building an expansion box. The difference between NuBus and PDS is that NuBus is a clever interface with lots of neat toys built in to make sure that lots of cards can work together on the same computer. PDS (processor direct slot) is just that: here are all the connections to the processor. You can do anything with this and it is as quick as it can be, but there's no cooperation. You may be able to get double PDS slot adaptors but you try plugging 2 video cards in, and just watch them conflict! Of course, the extra electronics in a NuBus slot makes it appreciably more expensive, so guess why Apple doesn't put it in it's cheaper machines? So, yah pays yer money and yah takes yah choice. Bill (wis@liverpool.ac.uk) " 1490,12,"From: coyne@thing1.cc.utexas.edu () Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: At UT? That's a joke. Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: thing1.cc.utexas.edu It is illegal to use anything you eavedropped on for a business or for an illegal use. Jurisdictions that ban radar detectors or police monitors, are essentially making the claim that there is no other reason for a radar detector or police radio monitor. The results of fighting these claims in courts have been mixed. The federal courts are not anxious to intervene and state courts have sometimes held that the feds have exclusive jurisdiction and sometimes they have not. A lot of state courts do not have enough imagination to see any use for a radar detector besides avoiding law enforcement action for speeding. When you buy a radar detector, amongst the guarrantees, instructions, explanations, and other detritus, is an invitation to join an association dedicated to preserving your right to use a radar detector. (I promise I am not making this up!) I do not think radar detector manufacturers would be making any headway at all in courtrooms if police departments enforced speed laws with a strict eye to public safety and a blind eye to the fund raiser aspect of tickets. Mike Coyne " 1491,8,"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: header paint Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 8 it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers. the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and repaint the pipes black. any recommendations for paint and application of said paint? thanks! axel " 1492,2,"From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Looking for Tom Haapanen Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 11 I'm trying to find Tom Haapanen, formerly tom@wes.on.ca who was the keeper of the FAQ for this newsgroup. He was working at Watrerloo Engineering Software, but netfind can't even find that (but it may have been a uucp connection). If anyone knows how to contact Tom, please let me know. Thanks, Tom Schlatter paladin@world.std.com " 1493,16,"From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) Subject: Re: 2%: We're undertaxed/Poll Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.190829.17141@cunews.carleton.ca> akasacou@alfred.carleton.ca (Alexander Kasacous) writes: >>In article VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >> >>> >>> No, what you said was that we had spent money on ""guns"" rather than >>>""people,"" as Canada does. Which is ridiculous. >>> >> >>Once again I have over estimated the general level of intellegence of >>the average reader of rush-limbaugh. Canada PER CAPITA spend more >>money on people where the US spend more money PER CAPITA on guns. >What exactly do you mean when you say the U.S. spends more per capita on >guns than Canada does? Are you talking about the U.S. government or are you >talking about the purchase of guns by private citizens or both? If you are >referring to private citizens then your point is irrevelant because what >individuals do with their money is essentially *their* business. >If, on the other hand, you meant that the U.S government spends more per >capita on guns than Canada does then your point *is* relevant. So, if this >is true then the U.S. needs to get its priorities straight. People are more >important than guns. That is not to say that guns aren't important. I'm >just saying that if the U.S government *does* spend more per capita on guns >than they do on people then something is awry. He meant the US spends more per capita on guns than Canada which isn't really surprising because we were so busy protecting the western world from the USSR that all other countries could slack off on their defense spending. I would like to see if the US spends more per capita on people than Canada does. This is a true apples - apples comparison where the previous post was apples - oranges. " 1494,10,"From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Reply-To: gak@wrs.com Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: gakbox It's in the FAQ. have fun gak --- Richard Stueven AHA# 22584 |----------| He has erected a multitude of new Internet: gak@wrs.com |----GO----| offices, and sent hither swarms ATTMAIL: ...!attmail!gakhaus!gak |---SHARX--| of officers to harass our people, Cow Palace: 107/H/3-4 |----------| and eat out their substance. " 1495,10,"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Subject: Re: Patrick Division Correction! Originator: fmsalvat@c00525-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 22 In article <93105.013653RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po writes: > > Well, I was a little off in those predictions! One, I didn't count on the > Devils scoring 6 goals tonight in a 6-6 tie, hence, there goes the streak! > > Secondly, I didn't count on the Islanders getting just 1 point out of 4 > against the Whalers in two games. So, no more Isles/Capitals. > > New predicitons : > > 1-PENGUINS VS 4-ISLANDERS Penguins in 6 or 7 > > 2-CAPITALS VS 3-DEVILS Devils in 7 > Why should we pay your predictions any heed, considering you couldn't even predict the proper matchups? Maybe you should try forecasting the weather instead. Frank Salvatore fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu " 1496,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: X-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 61 In article mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes: > Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to >speak out? I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization. All reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the Ottoman Empire between 1914-1920. It is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators of the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal/Nazi members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate racism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples. And x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: 1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide in order to shift international public opinion away from its political responsibility. 2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle and criminal/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish Genocide. 3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. 4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1497,3,"From: s913579@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Lost Cause) Subject: Connection Machine Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Hiya all, I realise this has little to do with pc's but it does have a lot to do with hardware.... So, has nay of you heard of a computer called the Connection Machine. If so, could you e-mail me any and all info you have, eg- references, ideas etc. All help is appreciated. Caviar Dreams L.Cause -- +----s913579@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU---Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology---+ | _/ ""Music is like directing sounds theatrically, moulding them into | | _/_/ landscapes.. I wanted to link my music to places, architectural | | _/_/_/ environments and visual techniques."" - J.M.Jarre | " 1498,5,"From: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk (Bill Hodgson) Subject: Re: waiting for a specific event/callback Reply-To: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd. Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: greed In article 9610@charon.cwi.nl, huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker) writes: ..deleted... In plain Motify using a dialog 'in-line' like this simply isn't done. You need to set callbacks from the buttons/widgets in your dialog and let the callback routines do the work. In the callbacks you can then carry on the flow of logic. XView from Sun actually supports this very neatly with a 'Notify' box, which can return a status in-line, it does actualy ease coding but goes against the event driven style of an application. Summary: Redesign required. --- _/ _/ _/ _/ ""Delta hedging a long option position also _/ _/ _/ generates a short gamma exposure and any return _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ generated from delta hedging options can be thought _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ of as compensation for assuming gamma risk"" _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ -- Radioactive investment management... whew! " 1499,15,"From: JJMARVIN@pucc.princeton.edu Subject: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: Princeton University Lines: 70 My brother has been alienated from my parents and me since shortly after his marriage to a domineering and insecure woman, about twelve years ago. We've kept things on a painfully polite, Christmas-card sort of level for most of this time. Attempts to see each other end disastrously, with his wife throwing a screaming fit and storming out over either our imagined slights to her, or his inattention or insensitivity to her (I mean, this'll happen by the end of a single restaurant meal). He seems, from what I've seen, to live in a state of quivering anxiety, hoping futilely to keep the next storm from breaking. He has sacrificed not only meaningful contact with us but also other friends and outside interests. Now, this is his choice, and I need to accept it even if I deplore it. But it's hard. From time to time I've wanted to drop the pretense that we have a relationship--by cutting off contact--or trying to have a real if painful relationship, by talking honestly with him, but I've always thought, ""Why be dramatic? And you know he'll only get evasive and then find some excuse to get off the phone. Just leave the door open, in case he ever decides to come back."" It's been an unsatisfying choice, to allow us to go on with the superficial trappings of a relationship, but it was the best I could think of. Now, this weekend, my mother finally decided that she wasn't going to pretend any more and has cut off relations with them. This was the outcome of a phone conversation in which my sister-in-law screamed and raved at my mother, blaming her for everything wrong in their lives, and in which my brother evaded, temporized, claimed the situation was beyond his control, and as always expected my mother to make all the allowances and concessions. Mom said she would not, that she would not quietly take abuse any more, and that if these were the terms of their relationship, she didn't want to talk to or see them any more. And she hung up. (I have never seem my mother lose her temper, and I think that this is the first time she's ever hung up on someone.) Mom says she feels as if she's divorced my brother, and that it's a relief in some ways to have the break out in the open and done with. I have mixed feelings. I'm proud of Mom for sticking up for herself; angry at my brother and sister-in-law for hurting her, for being jerks, for persisting in such a wretched life, which hurts us all and is warping their children; angry at my sister-in-law for being so hateful, and angry at my brother for being a coward and having so little respect for himself or us that he's willing to throw us aside and use up all his energy trying to appease an unappeasable, emotionally disturbed woman; pained for their children, who are a mess; scared for the future, since this marks the time when either things will change and improve or the break will become irrevocable; nastily self- righteous over this bit of proof that they can't ""get away"" with treating us or each other this way, and then disgusted with myself for even beginning to gloat over others' misery; and finally, mostly, sad, sad, sad, to see my parents hurt and my brother and sister-in-law trapped in a horrible, destructive situation that they can't see a way out of--or they can't bear to take whatever paths they do see. And I'm frustrated because I don't know what if anything to do, and doing nothing drives me up the wall. I try to pray, about my own feelings of rage, impotence, and vindictiveness, and about their situation, but I am not free of the desire to *DO* something concrete. (The desire to *DO* something, to define a problem and fix it, is one of my besetting vices; I'm having a terrible time quieting down my internal mental chatter enough to listen for God.) Do you thoughtful and kind people on the net have advice for me? Is this a time to reach out to my brother? To let things be? How can I conquer my rage AT him enough to be there FOR him? Here's the big question I've been evading throughout this long, long post: Is it ok, as a Christian and a proponent of faith, hope, and charity, to accept the destruction of a relationship? To give up on my own brother, or at least to accept that I am powerless to help him and can only wait and see what happens? Do please answer--by e-mail or post. Thank you. Julie (jjmarvin@pucc.princeton.edu) " 1500,6,"From: tligman@bgsu.edu (Simurgh) Subject: Nintendo games forsale (and a dead nintendo) Organization: Bowling Green State Univ. Lines: 27 Forsale: Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has grips attached. the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs. 25$ or best offer games for sale 15$ Tecmo Baseball 15$ Techmo Bowl 15$ Double Dribble 15$ Wayne Gretzky Hockey 15$ Golf 10$ Super Mario/Duck Hunt 10$ Toobin' 10$ Spelunker 25$ Tecmo Super Bowl ============ 130$ total, I'll give all of them to you for 100$ or best offer and throw in the control deck... I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old. -- -Tom <<<>>>Warning, signature under construction, ENTER at your own RISC<<<>>> " 1501,8,"From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.iucf.indiana.edu Reply-To: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu Organization: IUCF Distribution: rec Lines: 29 In article , Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes... >>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said: >> Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > > Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front. > See, it just HOPS into the air! Figure. >John Stafford Sure you can do wheelies with a shaft drive bike. I had a BMW R100RS that was a wheelie monster! Of course it didn't have the initial power burst to just twist it into the air - I had to pop the clutch. I also had to replace front fork seals a few times as well. The fairing is a bit heavy to be slamming down onto those little stantion tubes all the time. But let me give you fair warning: I trashed the ring/pinion gear in the final drive of my K75 (I assume) doing wheelies. And this was NO cheap fix either!! There is some kind of ""slip"" device in the shaft to prevent IT from breaking. Unfortunately, it didn't save the gears! On the topic of wheelies, the other day I saw a kid on a big Hurricane do a ""stoppy""(?), or rear wheelie. Man, he had the rear end on this bike up about 2 feet off the ground at a traffic light. I don't recommend these activities anymore (now that I'm an ""old guy"" with kids of my own) but it looked damn impressive!! If you can't keep both tires on the ground, at least have 'em pointed in that direction! :-) Cheers, B**2 " 1502,1,"From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 2/3] Lines: 1023 Reply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis) Organization: National Technical Univ. of Athens Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part2 Last-modified: 1993/04/17 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 2/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 17 April 1993 14. Plotting packages ===================== Gnuplot 3.2 ----------- It is one of the best 2- and 3-D plotting packages, with online help.It's a command-line driven interactive function plotting utility for UNIX, MSDOS, Amiga, Archimedes, and VMS platforms (at least!). Freely distributed, it supports many terminals, plotters, and printers and is easily extensible to include new devices. It was posted to comp.sources.misc in version 3.0, plus 2 patches. You can practically find it everywhere (use Archie to find a site near you!). The comp.graphics.gnuplot newsgroup is devoted to discussion of Gnuplot. Xvgr and Xmgr (ACE/gr) ----------------------- Xmgr is an XY-plotting tool for UNIX workstations using X or OpenWindows. There is an XView version called xvgr for Suns. Collectively, these 2 tools are known as ACE/gr. Compiling xmgr requires the Motif toolkit version 1.1 and X11R4 - xmgr will not compile under X11R3/Motif 1.0x. Check at ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34} in /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z (Motif version) /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z (XView version) Comments, suggestions, bug reports to Paul J Turner (if mail fails, try pturner@ese.ogi.edu). Due to time constraints, replies will be few and far between. Robot ----- Release 0.45 : 2-D and limited 3-D. Based on XView 3, written in C / Fortran (so you need a Fortran compiler or the f2c translator). Mainly tested on Sun4, less on DECstations. Check at ftp.astro.psu.edu (128.118.147.28), pub/astrod. VG plotting library ------------------- This is a library of Fortran callable routines at sunspot.ceee.nist.gov [129.6.64.151] Xgobi ----- It's being developed at Bellcore, and its speciality are multidimensional data sets analysis and exploration. You can call it from the S language also, and it works as an X11 client using the Athena widget set (or with an ASCII terminal). It's distributed free of charge from STATLIB at CMU. To get it via e-mail, send email to statlib@temper.stat.cmu.edu and in the body area of the message, put the line send xgobi from general If you want to pick it via ftp, connect to lib.stat.cmu.edu. Log in as ""statlib"" and use your e-mail address as your password. Then type cd general mget xgobi.* Warning: It's about 2 MB sources + large Postscript manual. Read the relevant README to decide whether you need it or not. PGPLOT ------ Runs on VAX/VMS and supposedly on UNIX. It's a set of fortran routines freely available (though copyrighted and requiring a nominal fee of $50 or so) that includes contour plots and support for various devices, including ps. Contact tjp@deimos.caltech.edu GGRAPH ------ Host shorty.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.8] : /pub/ggraph.tar.Z Unknown more details. epiGRAPH -------- For PCs. Call dvj@lab2.phys.lgu.spb.su (Vladimir J. Dmitriev) for details. You can get the program demo or (and) play version, if sent 10 $ to 1251 Budapest posta fiok 60 Hungary ph/fax 1753696 Budapest ph 2017760 Multiplot XLN ------------- For Amigas, shareware ($30 USD, #20 UK or $40 Aust.). Advanced 2D package that has a big list of features. Contact: Dr. Alan Baxter , Cambridge University Department of Pathology, Tennis Court Road, Cambridge CB2 1QP, UK +Athena Plotter Widget set +------------------------- + + This version V6.0 is based on Gregory Bond's version V5-beta. Added + some stuff for scientific graphs, i.e. log axes, free scalable axes, + XY-lineplots and some more, and re-added plotter callbacks from V4, e.g. + to request the current pointer position, or to cut off a rectangle from the + plotting area for zooming-in. Version V6.0 has a log of bugs fixed and a + log of improvements against V6-beta. Additionally I did some other + changes/extensions, besides + + - Origin and frame lines for axes. + - Subgrid lines on subtic positions. + - Line plots in different line types (lines, points, lines+points, + impulses, lines+impulses, steps, bars), line styles (solid, dotted, + dashed, dot-dashed) and marker types for data points. + - Legend at the right or left hand side of the plot. + - Optional drawing to a pixmap instead of a window. + - Layout callback for aligning axis positions when using + multiple plotters in one application. + + Available at export.lcs.mit.edu, directory contrib/plotter + +SciPlot +------- + SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. + For the NeXT (requires NeXTStep 3.0), and it's shareware. + + Features: + ASCII import and export; EPS export; copy, cut, paste with data buffer; + free number of data points, data buffer, and document window; + selective open and save ; plotting in many styles; automatic legend; + subviews; linear and logarithmic axes; two different axes; text and graphic; + color support; zoom; normalizing and moving; axis conversions; + free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.); data editor; sorting + of data; absolute,relative, and free defined error bars; + calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ); background subtractions + (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier); integration and relative integration; + fitting of one or more free defined functions; linear regression; + calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.); function generator; + spline interpolation; least square smooth and FFT smooth; differentiation; + FFT; ESCA calculations and database; .. and something more + + You can find it on: + ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.7] : /pub/NeXT/science/SciPlot3.1.tar.Z + + Author: + Michael Wesemann + Scillerstr. 73,1000 Berlin 12, Germany + mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de + +PLPLOT +------ + PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro) + and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness, + it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: + standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, + mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or + different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each + graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually + infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are + almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four + different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and + other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects. + Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent), + including a portable metafile format and renderer. + + Freely available (but copyrighted) via anonymous FTP on + hagar.ph.utexas.edu, directory pub/plplot + + At present (v. 4.13), PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: + + Unix: SunOS, A/IX, HP-UX, Unicos, DG/UX, Ultrix + Other platforms: VMS, Amiga/Exec, MS-DOS, OS/2, NeXT + + Authors: Many. The main supporters are: + + Maurice LeBrun : PLPLOT kernel and the metafile, + xterm, xwindow, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. + Geoff Furnish : MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers + Tony Richardson : PLPLOT on the NeXT + +SuperMongo +---------- + 2-D plotting package at CMU, filename ~re00/tmp/SM.2.1.0.tar.Z + (probably under the ftp.cmu.edu or andrew.cmu.edu machines?) + +GLE +--- + GLE is a high quality graphics package for scientists. It runs on a + variety of platforms (PCs, VAXes, and Unix) with drivers for XWindows, + REGIS, TEK4010, PC graphics cards, VT100s, HP plotters, Postscript + printers, Epson-compatible printers and Laserjet/Paintjet printers. It + provides LaTEX quality fonts, as well as full support for Postscript + fonts. The graphing module provides full control over all features of + graphs. The graphics primitives include user-defined subroutines for + complex pictures and diagrams. + + Accompanying utilities include Surface (for hidden line surface + plotting), Contour (for contour plots), Manip (for manipulation of + columnar data files), and Fitls (for fitting arbitrary equations to + data). + + Mailing list: GLEList. Send a message to + + listserver@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu, with a message boyd containing + + sub glelist ""Your Name"" + + maintainer: Dean Pentcheff ========================================================================== 15. Image analysis software - Image processing and display ========================================================== PC and Mac-based tools (multi-platform software) ====================== IMDISP ------ IMDISP Written at JPL and other NASA sites. Can do simple display, enhancing, smoothing and so on. Works with the FITS and VICAR/PDS data formats of NASA. Can read TIFF images, if you know their dimensions [PC and Macs] LabVIEW 2 --------- LabVIEW is used as a framework for image processing tools. It provides a graphical programming environment using block diagram sketch is the ""program"" with graphical elements representing the programming elements. Hundreds of functions are already available and are connected using a wiring tool to create the block diagram (program). Functions that the block diagrams represent include digital signal processing and filtering, numerical analysis, statistics, etc. The tool allows any Virtual Instrument (VI, a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory instrument) to be used as a part of any other virtual instrument. National Instruments markets plug-in digital signal processing (DSP) boards for Macintoshs and PC compatables that allow real-time acquisition and analysis at a personal computer. New software tools for DSP are allowing engineers to harness the power of this technology. The tools range from low-level debugging software to high-level block diagram development software. There are three levels of DSP programming associated with the NB-DSP2300 board and LabVIEW: Use of the NB-DSP2300 Analysis Library: FFTs, power spectra, filters routines callable from THINK C and Macintosh Programers Workshop (MPW) C that execute on the NB-DSP2300 board. There is an analysis Virtual Interface Library of ready-to-use VIs optimized for the NB-DSP2300. Use of the National Instruments Developers Toolkit that includes an optimizing C compiler, an assembler and a linker for low-level programming of the DSP hardware. This approach offers the highest level of performance but is the must difficult in terms of ease of use. Use of the National Instruments Interface Kit software package which has utility functions for memory management data communications and downloading code to the NB-DSP2300 board. (This is the easiest route for the development of custom code.) Ultimage Concept VI ------------------- Concept VI by Graftek-France is a family of image processing Virtual Instruments (VIs) that give LabVIEW 2 (described above) users high-end tools for designing, integrating and monitoring imaging control systems. A VI is a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory instrument. Typical applications for Concept VI include thermography, surveillance, machine vision, production testing, biomedical imaging, electronic microscopy and remote sensing. Ultimage Concept VI addresses applications which require further qualitative and quantitative analysis. It includes a complete set of functions for image enhancement, histogram equalization, spatial and frequency filtering, isolation of features, thresholding, mathematical morphology analysis, density measurement, object counting, sizing and characterization. The program loads images with a minimum resolution of 64 by 64, a pixel depth of 8, 16, or 32 bits, and one image plane. Standard input and output formats include PICT, TIFF, SATIE, and AIPD. Other formats can be imported. Image enhancement features include lookup table transformations, spatial linear and non-linear filters, frequency filtering, arithmetic and logic operations, and geometric transformations, among others. Morphological transformations include erosion, dilation, opening, closing, hole removal, object separation, and extraction of skeletons, among others. Quantitative analysis provides for objects' detection, measurement, and morphological distribution. Measures include area, perimeter, center of gravity, moment of inertia, orientation, length of relevant chords, and shape factors and equivalence. Measures are saved in ASCII format. The program also provides for macro scripting and integration of custom modules. A 3-D view command plots a perspective data graph where image intensity is depicted as mountains or valleys in the plot. The histogram tool can be plotted with either a linear or logarithmic scale. The twenty-eight arithmetic and logical operations provide for: masking and averaging sections of images, noise removal, making comparisons, etc. There are 13 spatial filters that alter pixel intensities based on local intensity. These include high-pass filters for contrast and outlines. The frequency data resulting from FFT analysis can be displayed as either the (real , imaginary ) components or the (phase, magnitude) data. The morphological transformations are useful for data sharpening and defining objects or for removing artifacts. The transformations include: thresholding, eroding, dilating and even hole filling. The program's quantitative analysis measurements include: area, perimeter, center of mass, object counts, and angle between points. GTFS, Inc. 2455 Bennett Valley Road #100C Santa Rosa, CA 95494 707-579-1733 IPLab Spectrum -------------- IPLAB Spectrum supports image processing and analysis but lacks the morphology and quantitative analysis features provided by Graftek-FranceUs Ultimage Concept VI. Using scripting tools, the user tells the system the operations to be performed. The problem is that far too many basic operations require manual intervention. The tool supports: FFTs, 16 arithmetic operations for pixel alteration, and a movie command for cycling through windows. Macintosh-based tools ===================== NCSA Image, NCSA PalEdit and more --------------------------------- NCSA provides a whole suite of public-domain visualization tools for the Macintosh, primarily aimed at researchers wanting to visualize results from numerical modelling calculations. These applications, documentation, and source code are available for anonymous ftp from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Commercial versions of the NCSA programs have been developed by Spyglass. Spyglass, Inc. 701 Devonshire Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 355-6000 fax: 217 355 8925 NIH IMAGE --------- Available at alw.nih.gov (128.231.128.7) or (preferably) zippy.nimh.nih.gov [128.231.98.32], directory:/pub/image. It has painting and image manipulation tools, a macro language, tools for measuring areas, distances and angles, and for counting things. Using a frame grabber card, it can record sequences of images to be played back as a movie. It can invoke user-defined convolution matrix filters, such as Gaussian. It can import raw data in tab-delimited ASCII, or as 1 or 2-byte quantities. It also does histograms and even 3-D plots. It is limited to 8-bits/pixel, though the 8 bits map into a color lookup table. It runs on any Mac that has a 256-color screen and a FPU (or get the NonFPU version from zippy.nimh.nih.gov) PhotoMac -------- Data Translation, Inc. 100 Locke Dr. Marlboro, MA 01752 508-481-3700 PhotoPress ---------- Blue Solutions 3039 Marigold Place Thousand Oaks, CA 91360 805-492-9973 PixelTools and TCL-Image ------------------------ ""Complete family of PixelTools (hardware accelerator and applications software) for scientific image processing and analysis. Video-rate capture, display, processing, and analysis of high-resolution monochromatic and color images. Includes C source code."" TCL-Image: ""Software package for scientific, quantitative image processing and analysis. It provides a complete language for the capture, enhancement, and extraction of quantitative information from gray-scale images. TCL_Image has over 200 functions for image processing, and contains the other elements needed in a full programming language for algorithm development -- variables and control structures. It is easily extensible through ""script"" (or indirect command) files. These script files are simply text files that contain TCL-Image commands. They are executed as normal commands and include the ability to pass parameters. The direct capture of video images is supported via popular frame grabber boards. TCL-Image comes with the I-View utility that provides conversion between common image file types, such as PICT2 and TIFF."" Perceptics 725 Pellissippi Parkway Knoxville, TN 37933 615-966-9200 Satellite Image Workshop ------------------------ It comes with a number of satellite pictures (raw data) and does all sorts of image enhancing on it. You'll need at least a Mac II with co- processor; a 256 color display and a large harddisk. The program doesn't run under system 7.x.ATE1 V1 In the documentation the contact address is given as: Liz Smith, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 300-323, 4800 Oak Grove Dr,.Pasadena, CA 91109 (818) 354-6980 Visualization Workbench ----------------------- ""An electronic imaging software system that performs interactive image analysis and scientific 2D and 3D plotting."" Paragon Imagine 171 Lincoln St. Lowell, MA 01852 508-441-2112 Adobe Photoshop --------------- The tool supports Rtrue colorS with 24-bit images or 256 levels of grey scale. Once an image has been imported it can be Rre-touchedS with various editing tools typical of those used in Macintosh-based RpaintS applications. These include an eraser, pencil, brush and air brush. Advanced RpasteS tools that control the interaction between a pasted selection and the receiving site have also been incorporated. For example, all red pixels in a selection can easily be preventing from being pasted. Photoshop has transparencies ranging from 0 to 100%, allowing you to create ghost overlays. RPhoto-editingS tools include control of the brightness and contrast, color balancing, hue/saturation modification and spectrum equalization. Images can be subjected to various signal processing algorithms to smooth or sharpen the image, blur edges, or locate edges. Image scaling is also supported. For storage savings, the images can be compressed using standard algorithms, including externally supplied compression such as JPEG, availlable from Storm Technologies. The latest version of Adobe Photoshop supports the import of numerous image formats including: EPSF, EPSF, TIFF, PICT resource, Amiga IFF/ILBM, CompuServe GIF, MacPaint, PIXAR, PixelPaint, Scitex CT, TGA and ThunderScan.. Adobe Systems, Inc. 1585 Charlestown Road PO Box 7900 Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 415-961-4400 ColorStudio and ImageStudio --------------------------- ColorStudio is an image-editing and paint package from Letraset that has more features than Adobe Photoshop but is decidedly more complex and therefore more difficult to use. Several steps are often required to accomplish that which can be done in a single step using Photoshop. The application requires a great deal of available disk space as one can easily end up with images in the 30 MB range. The program provides a variety of powerful selection tools including the ""auto selection tool"" which lets the user choose image areas on the basis of color, close hues, color range and mask. ImageStudio: Don't know... Letraset USA 40 Eisenhower Drive Paramus, NJ 07653 201-845-6100 Dapple Systems -------------- ""High resolution image analysis software provides processing tools to work with multiple images, enhance and edit, and measure a variety of global or feature parameters, and interpret the data."" Dapple Systems, 355 W. Olive Ave, #100 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-733-3283 Digital Darkroom ---------------- The latest release of Digital Darkroom has five new selection and editing tools for enhancing images. One such feature allows the user to select part of an image simply by ""painting"" it. A new polyline selection tool creates a selection tool for single pixel wide selections. A brush lets the operator ""paint"" with a selected portion of the image. Note that this is not a true color image enhancement tool. This tool should be used when the user intends to operate in grey-scale images only. It should be noted that Digital Darkroom is not as powerful as either Adobe Photoshop or ColorStudio. Silicon Beach Software 9770 Carroll Ctr. Rd., Suite J San Diego, CA 92126 619-695-6956 Dimple ------ It is compatible with system 6.05 and system 7.0 , requires Mac LC or II series with 256 colours, with a recommended min of 6Mb of ram. It has the capability of reading Erdas files. Functions include; image enhancement, 3D and contour plots, image statistics, supervised and unsupervised classification, PCA and other image transformations. There is also a means (Image Operation Language or IOL) by which you can write your own transformations. There is no image rectification, however Dimple is compatable with MAPII. The latest version is 1.4 and it is in the beta stage of testing. Dimple was initially developed as a teaching tool and it is very good for this purpose."" ""Dimple runs on a colour Macintosh. It is a product still in its development phase.. i.e. it doesn't have all the inbuilt features of other packages, but is coming along nicely. It has its own inbuilt language for writing ""programs"" for processing an image, defining convolution filters etc. Dimple is a full mac application with pull down menus etc... It is unprotected software."" Process Software Solutions, PO Box 2110, Wollongong, New South Wales, Australia. 2500. Phone 61 42 261757 Fax 61 42 264190. Enhance ------- Enhance has a RrulerS tool that supports measurements and additionally provides angle data. The tool has over 80 mathematical filter variations: ""Laplacian, medium noise filter"", etc. Files can be saved as either TIFF, PICT, EPSF or text (however EPSF files can't be imported). MicroFrontier 7650 Hickman Road Des Moines, IA 50322 515-270-8109 Image Analyst ------------- An image processing product for users who need to extract quantitative data from video images. Image Analyst lets users configure sophisticated image processing and measurement routines without the necessity of knowing a programming language. It is designed for such tasks at computing number and size of cells in images projected by video cameras attached to microscopes, or enhancing and measuring distances in radiographs. Image Analyst provides users with an array of field-proven video analysis techniques that enable them to easily assemble a sequence of instructions to enhance feature appearance; count objects; determine density, shape, size, position, or movement; perform object feature extraction; and conduct textural analysis automatically. Image Analyst works with either a framegrabber board and any standard video camera, or a disk-stored image. Within minutes, without the need for programming, the Image Analyst user can set up a process to identify and analyze any element of a image. Measurements and statistics can be automatically or semi-automatically generated from TIFF or PICT files or from captured video tape images. Image Analyst recognizes items in images based on their size, shape and position. The tool provides direct support for the Data Translation and Scion frame grabbers. A menu command allows for image capture from a VCR video camera or other NTSC or PAL devices. There are 2 types of files, the image itself and the related Sequence file that holds the processing, measurements and analysis that the user defines. Automated sequences are set up in Regions Of Interest (ROI) represented by movable, sizable boxes atop the image. Inside a ROI, the program can find the distance between two edges, the area of a shape, the thickness of a wall, etc. Image Analyst finds the center, edge and other positions automatically. The application also provides tools so that the user can work interactively to find the edge of object. It also supports histograms and a color look-up table (CLUT) tool. Automatix, Inc. 775 Middlesex Turnpike Billerica, MA 01821 508-667-7900 IPLab ----- Signal Analytics Corp. 374 Maple Ave. E Vienna, VA 22180 703-281-3277 FAX 703-281-2509 ""Menu-driven image processing software that supports 24-bit color or pseudocolor/grayscale image display and manipulation."" MAP II ------ Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II distributed by John Wiley has integrated image analysis. IMAGE ----- from Stanford : Try anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu It has pd source for image v2, and ready to run code for a mac under image v3. Windows/DOS PC-based tools ========================== CCD --- Richard Berry's CCD imaging book for Willamon-Bell contains (optional?) disks with image manipulating software. Source code is included. ERDAS ----- ""ERDAS will do all of the things you want: rectification, classification, transformations (canned & user-defined), overlays, filters, contrast enhancement, etc. ... I was using it on my thesis & then changed the topic a bit & that work became secondary."" ERDAS, Inc. 2801 Buford Highway Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30329 404-248-9000 FAX 404-248-9400 RSVGA ----- ""I have been getting up to speed on a program called RSVGA available from Eidetic Digital Image Ltd. in British Columbia. Its for IBM PC's or clones, cheap (about $400) and does all the stuff Erdas does but is not as fast or as powerful, though I have had only limited experience with Erdas. I have used RSVGA with 6 of 7 Landsat bands and it is a good starter program except for the obtuse manual"" IMAGINE-32 ---------- It's a 32 bit package [I suppose for PCs] called ""Imagine32"" or ""Image32"" The program does a modest amount of image processing --add, subtract, multiply, divide, display, and plot an x or y cut across the image. It can also display a number of images simultaneously. The company is CompuScope, in Santa Barbara, CA. PC Vista -------- It was announced in the 1989 August edition of PASP. It is known to be available from Mike Richmond, whose email addresses have been richmond@bllac.berkeley.edu richmond@bkyast.berkeley.edu and his s-mail address is: Michael Richmond,Astronomy Department, Campbell Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 The latest version of PC-Vista, version 1.7, includes not only the source code and help files, but also a complete set of executable programs and a number of sample FITS images. If you do wish to use the source code, you will need Microsoft C, version 5.0 or later; other compilers may work, but will require substantial modifications. To receive the documentation and nine double-density (360K) floppies (or three quad-density 3-1/2 inch floppies (1.44M) with everything on them, just send a request for PC-Vista, together with your name and a US-Mail address, to Office of Technology Licensing 2150 Shattuck Ave., Suite 510 Berkeley, Ca. 94704 Include a check (Traveller's Checks are fine) or purchase order for $150.00 in U.S. dollars, if your address is inside the continental U.S., or $165.00 otherwise, made out to Regents of the University of California to cover duplication and mailing costs. SOFTWARE TOOLS -------------- It's a set of software ""tools"" put out by Canyon State Systems and Software. They are not free, but rather cheap at about $30 I heard. It will handle most all of the formats used by frame grabber software. MIRAGE ------ It's image processing software written by Jim Gunn at the Astrophysics Dept at Princeton. It will run on a PC among other platforms. It is a Forth based system - i.e. a Forth language with many image processing displaying functions built in. DATA TRANSLATION SOURCE BOOK ---------------------------- The Data Translation company in Massachusetts publishes a free book containing vendors of data analysis hardware and software which is compatible with Data Translation and other frame grabbers. Surely you can find much more PC-related stuff in it. MAXEN386 -------- A couple of Canadians have written a program named MAXEN386 which does maximum entropy image deconvolution. Their company is named Digital Signal Processing Software, or something like that, and the software is mentioned in an article in Astronomy Magazine, either Jan or Feb 92 (an article on CCD's vs film). JANDEL SCIENTIFIC (JAVA) ------------------------ Another software package (JAVA) is put out by Jandel Scientific. Jandel Scientific, 65 Koch Road, Corte Madera, CA 94925, (415) 924-8640, (800) 874-1888. Microbrian ---------- Runs on an MS dos platform and uses a 32 bit graphics card (Vista), or an about to be released version will support a number of super VGA cards. Its a full blown remote sensed data processing system.. It is menu driven (character based screen), but is does not use a windowed user interface. Its is hardware protected with a dongle. Mbrian = micro Barrier reef Image Anaysis System. It was developed by CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Organization) and is marketed/ supported by: MPA Australia (51 Lusher Road, Croydon, Victoria tel + 61 3 724 4488 fax +61 3 724 4455) There are educational and commercial prices, but be prepared to set aside $A10k for the first educational licence. Subsequent ones come cheaper (they need to!) It has installed sites worldwide. It is widely used at ANU. MicroImage ---------- The remote sensing lab here at Dartmouth currently uses Terra-Mar's MicroImage, on 486 PCs with some fancy display hardware. Terra-Mar Resource Information Services, Inc. 1937 Landings Drive Mountain View, CA 94043 415-964-6900 FAX 415-964-5430 Unix-based tools ================ IRAF (Image Reduction and Analysis Facility) -------------------------------------------- Developed in the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, Kitt Peak AZ It is free, you can ftp it from tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1] and complement it with STSDAS from stsci.edu [130.167.1.2]. Email to iraf@noao.edu for more details. Apparently this is one of the _de facto_ standards in the astronomical image community. They issue a newsletter also. They seem to support very well their users. Works with VMS also last I heard, and practically has its own shell on top of the VMS/Unix shells. It's suggested that you get a copy of saoimage for display under X windows. Very flexible/extendable -- tons (literally 3 linear feet) of documentation for the general user, skilled user, and programmer. ALV --- A Sun-specific image toolkit. Version 2.0.6 posted to comp.sources.sun on 11dec89. Also available via email to alv-users-request@cs.bris.ac.uk. AIPS ---- Astronomical Image Processing System. Contact: aipsmail@nrao.edu (also see the UseNet Newsgroups alt.sci.astro.aips and sci.astro.fits) Built by NRAO (National Radio Astronomy Observatory, HQ in Charlottesville, VA, sites in NM, AZ, WV). Software distributed by 9-track, Exabyte, DAT, or (non-anonymous) internet ftp. Documentation (PostScript mostly) available via anonymous ftp to baboon.cv.nrao.edu (192.33.115.103), directory pub/aips and pub/aips/TEXT/PUBL. Installation requires building the system and thus a Fortran and C compiler. This package can read and write FITS data (see sci.astro.fits), and is primarily for reduction, analysis, and image enhancement of Radio Astronomy data from radio telescopes, particularly the Very Large Array (VLA), a synthesis instrument. It consists of almost 300 programs that do everything from copying data to sophisticated deconvolution, e.g. via maximum entropy. There is an X11-based Image tool (XAS) and a tek-compatible xterm-based graphics tool built into AIPS. The XAS tool is modelled after the hardware functionality of the International Imaging Systems model 70 display unit and can do image arithmetic, etc. The code is mostly Fortran 77 with some system C language modules, and is available for Suns, IBM RS/6000, Dec/Ultrix, Convex, Cray (Unicos), and Alliant with support planned for HP-9000/7xx, Solaris 2.1, and maybe SGI. There is currently a project - ""AIPS++"" - underway to rewrite the algorithmic functionality of AIPS in a modern setting, using C++ and an object oriented approach. Whereas AIPS is proprietary code (licensed for free to non-profit institutions) owner by NRAO and the NSF, AIPS++ will be in the public domain at some level, as it is an international effort with contributions from the US, Canada, England, the Netherlands, India, and Australia to name a few. LABOimage --------- (version 4.0 is out for X11) It's written in C, and currently runs on Sun 3/xxx, Sun 4/xxx (OS3.5, 4.0 and 4.0.3) under SunView. The expert system for image segmentation is written in Allegro Common Lisp. It was used on the following domains: computer science (image analysis), medicine, biology, physics. It is distributed free of charge (source code). Available via anonymous FTP at ftp.ads.com (128.229.30.16), in pub/VISION-LIST-ARCHIVE/SHAREWARE/LaboImage_* Contact: Prof. Thierry Pun, Computer Vision Group Computing Science Center, U-Geneva 12, rue du Lac, CH-1207 Geneva SWITZERLAND Phone : +41(22) 787 65 82; fax: +41(22) 735 39 05 E-mail: pun@cui.unige.ch or pun@cgeuge51.bitnet Figaro ------ It was originally made for VMS, and can be obtained from Keith Shortridge in Australia (ks@aaoepp.aao.gov.au) and for Unix from Sam Southard at Caltech (sns@deimos.caltech.edu). It's about 110Mbytes on a Sun. KHOROS ------ Moved to the Scientific Visualization category below Vista ----- The ""real thing"" is available via anonymous ftp from lowell.edu. Email to vista@lowell.edu for more details. Total size less than 20Mbytes. DISIMP ------ (Device Independent Software for Image Processing) is a powerful system providing both user friendliness and high functionality in interactive times. Feature Description DISIMP incorporates a rich library of image processing utilities and spatial data options. All functions can be easily accessed via the DISIMP executive. This menu is modular in design and groups image processes by their function. Such a logical structure means that complicated processes are simply a progression through a series of modules. Processes include image rectification, classification (unsupervised and supervised), intensity transformations, three dimensional display and Principal Component Analysis. DISIMP also supports the more simple and effective enhancement techniques of filtering, band subtraction and ratioing. Host Configuration Requirements Running on UNIX workstations, DISIMP is capable of processing the more computational intensive techniques in interactive processing times. DISIMP is available in both Runtime and Programmer's environments. Using the Programmers environment, utilities can be developed for specific applications programs. Graphics are governed by an icon-based Display Panel which allows quick enhancments of a displayed image. Manipulations of Look Up Tables, colour stretches, changes to histograms, zooming and panning can be interactively driven through this control. A range of geographic projections enables DISIMP to integrate data of image, graphic and textual types. Images can be rectified by a number of coordinate systems, providing the true geographic knowledge essential for ground truthing. Overlays of grids, text and vector data can be added to further enhance referenced imagery. The system is a flexible package allowing users of various skill levels to determine their own working environment, including the amount of help required. DISIMP comes fully configured with no optional extras. The purchase price includes all functionality required for professional processing of remote sensed data. For further information, please contact: The Business Manager, CLOUGH Engineering Group Systems Division, 627 Chapel Street, South Yarra, Australia 3141. Telephone: +61 3 825 5555 Fax: +61 3 826 6463 Global Imaging Software ----------------------- ""We use Global Imaging Software to process AVHRR data, from the dish to the final display. Select a chunk of five band data from a pass, automatic navigation, calibrate it to Albedo and Temp, convert that to byte, register it to predesigned window, all relatively automatically and carefree. It has no classification routines to speak of, but it isn't that difficult to write your own with their programmer's module. Very small operation: one designs, one codes, one sells. Been around for a number of years, sold to Weather Service and Navy. Runs on HP9000 with HP-UX. Supports 24-bit display"" HIPS ---- (Human Information Processing Laboratory's Image Processing System) Michael Landy co-wrote and sell a general-purpose package for image processing which has been used for basically all the usual image processing applications (robotics, medical, satellite, engineering, oil exploration, etc.). It is called HIPS, and deals with sequences of multiband images in the same way it deals with single images. It has been growing since we first wrote it, both by additions from us as well as a huge user-contributed library. Feature description HIPS is a set of image processing modules which together provide a powerful suite of tools for those interested in research, system development and teaching. It handles sequences of images (movies) in precisely the same manner as single frames. Programs and subroutines have been developed for simple image transformations, filtering, convolution, Fourier and other transform processing, edge detection and line drawing manipulation, digital image compression and transmission methods, noise generation, and image statistics computation. Over 150 such image transformation programs have been developed. As a result, almost any image processing task can be performed quickly and conveniently. Additionally, HIPS allows users to easily integrate their own custom routines. New users become effective using HIPS on their first day. HIPS features images that are self-documenting. Each image stored in the system contains a history of the transformations that have been applied to that image. HIPS includes a small set of subroutines which primarily deals with a standardized image sequence header, and a large library of image transformation tools in the form of UNIX ``filters''. It comes complete with source code, on-line manual pages, and on-line documentation. Host Configuration Requirements Originally developed at New York University, HIPS now represents one of the most extensive and flexible vision and image processing environments currently available. It runs under the UNIX operating system. It is modular and flexible, provides automatic documentation of its actions, and is almost entirely independent of special equipment. HIPS is now in use on a variety of computers including Vax and Microvax, Sun, Apollo, Masscomp, NCR Tower, Iris, IBM AT, etc. For image display and input, drivers are supplied for the Grinnell and Adage (Ikonas) image processors, and the Sun-2, Sun-3, Sun- 4, and Sun-386i consoles. We also supply user-contributed drivers for a number of other framestores and windowing packages (Sun gfx, Sun console, Matrox VIP-1024, ITI IP-512, Lexidata, Macintosh II, X windowing system, and Iris). The Hipsaddon package includes an interface for the CRS-4000. It is a simple matter to interface HIPS with other frame- stores, and we can put interested users in touch with users who have interfaced HIPS with the Arlunya and Datacube Max- Video. HIPS can be easily adapted for other image display devices because 98% of HIPS is machine independent. Availability HIPS has proven itself a highly flexible system, both as an interactive research tool, and for more production- oriented tasks. It is both easy to use, and quickly adapted and extended to new uses. HIPS is supplied on magnetic tape in UNIX tar format (either reel- to-reel or Sun cartridge), and comes with source code, libraries, a library of convolu- tion masks, and on-line documentation and manual pages. Michael Landy SharpImage Software P.O. Box 373, Prince Street Station New York, NY 10012-0007 Voice: (212) 998-7857 Fax: (212) 995-4011 msl@cns.nyu.edu MIRA ---- [ Please DON'T confuse that with the Thalmanns animation system from Montreal. These are altogether different beasts! - nfotis ] MIRA stands for Microcomputer Image Reduction and Analysis. MIRA gives workstation level performance on 386/486 DOS computers using SVGA cards in 256 color modes up to 1024x768. MIRA contains a very handsome/functional GUI which is mouse and keystroke operated. MIRA reads/writes TIFF and FITS formats, native formats of a number of CCD cameras, and uncompressed binary images in byte, short integer, and 4-byte real pixel format in 1- or 2- dimensions. The result of an image processing operation can be short integer or real pixels, or the same as that of the input image. MIRA does the operation using short or floating point arithmetic to maintain the precision and accuracy of the pixel format. Over 100 functions are hand-coded in assembly language for maximum speed on the Intel hardware. The entire graphical interface is also written in assembly language to maximize the speed of windowing operations. Windows for 2-d image and 1-d image/data display and analysis have dedicated cursors which read position and value value in real time as you move the mouse. There are also smooth, real time contrast and brightness stretch and panning of a magnified portion of the displayed image(s), all operated by the mouse. A wide selection of grayscale, pseudocolor, and random palettes is provided, and other palettes can be generated. Supported functions include such niceties as the following: o image & image: + - / * interpolation o image & constant: + - / * o unary operations: abs value, polynomial of pixel value, chs, 1/x, log, byteswap, clip values at upper/lower limits, short->real or real->short. o combine images by mean, median, mode, or sum of pixel values, with or without autoscaling to mean, median, or mode of an image section. o convolutions/filters: Laplacian, Sobel edge operator, directional gradient, line, Gaussian, elliptical and rectangular equal weight filters, unsharp masking, median filters, user defined filter kernel. Ellipse, rectangle, line, gradient, Gaussian, and user defined filters can be rotated to any specified angle. o CCD data reduction: flat fielding, dark subtraction, column over/underscan bias removal, remove bad pixels and column defects, normalize to region target mean, median, or modal value. o create subimage, mosaic m x n 1-d or 2-d images to get larger image, collapse 2-d image into 1-d image. o plot 1-d section or collapsed section of 2-d image, plot histogram of region of an image. o review/change image information/header data, rename keywords, plot keyword values for a set of images. o luminance/photometry: elliptical or circular aperture photometry, brightness profile, isophotal photometry between set of upper & lower luminances, area and luminance inside traced polygon. Interactive background fitting and removal from part or all of image, fit elliptical aperture shape to image isophotes. o interactive with 2-d image: contrast/brightness, x- y- or diagonal plot of pixel values, distance between two points, compute region stats,` centroid, pan to x,y location or image center, zoom 1/16 to 10 times, change cursor to rectangle crosshair, full image crosshair, or off, and adjust cursor size on image. Select linear, log or gamma transfer function or histogram equalization. o interactive or specified image offset computation and re-sampling for registration. o interactive with 1-d image: zoom in x- y- or both in steps of 1/2 or 2 times current, re-center plot, or enlarge a framed area. 4 plot buffers can be cycled through. Interactive data analysis: polynomial fitting, point deletion, undelete, change value, point weighting, linear and quadratic loess and binomial smoothing, revert to unit point weights or original data buffer, substitute results into data buffer for pass back to calling function. Dump data buffer (+ overlays and error bars) to file or printer. Change to user specified coordinate system. o Tricolor image combination and display, hardcopy halftone printout to HP-PCL compatible printers (Laserjet, deskjet, etc.) o Documentation is over 300 pages in custom vinyl binder. Cost: 995 $USD/copy Available from: Axiom Research, Inc. Box 44162 Tucson, AZ 85733 (602) 791-2864 phone/fax. international marketing rep: Saguaro Scientific Corporation, Tucson, Arizona. ========================================================================== End of Part 2 of the Resource Listing -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 " 1503,16,"From: Seth Adam Eliot Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 18-Apr-93 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu > Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms > 'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that > there are actually *few* cases where this is so. excerpted from a letter I wrote a while ago: Although less apparent to those who have not researched the facts, personal protection is as legitimate a reason as sport for the private citizen to own a gun. The most recent research is that of Dr. Gary Kleck of the Florida State University School of Criminology.1 He found that handguns are more often used by victims to defeat crime than by criminals to commit it (645,000 vs. 580,000 respectively in this study). These figures are even more encouraging when you consider the number of crimes that never occur because of the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding private citizen. In a National Institute of Justice study of ten state prisons across the country they found that 39% of the felons surveyed had aborted at least one crime because they believed that the intended victim was armed., and 57% agreed that ""most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.""2 One of the most heinous of crimes is that against the women of this country. It has been my recent observation that more women are purchasing handguns for defense in response to the present danger of these assaults. This should be taken as encouraging news if the events of Orlando Florida are any indicator. In the late 1960's the female populace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults; just the publicity of the record number of women buying guns and obtaining training resulted in an 88% decrease in rape for that area, the only city of its size in the country to experience a decrease of crime for that year. Additionally, a 1979 US Justice Department study of 32,000 attempted rapes showed that overall, when rape is attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%. 1 G Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America Aldine de Gruyter, NY, 1991 2 JD Wright & PH Rossi Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, Aldine de Gruyter, NY, 1986 ------- __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry Seth Eliot Dept of Material Science and Engineering Carnegie Mellon Univerity, Pittsburgh, PA ARPA :eliot+@cmu.edu |------------------------------------------ or se08+@andrew.cmu.edu | Bitnet: se08%andrew@cmccvb | ------------------------------| " 1504,9,"From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: na Lines: 22 In klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >> In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >> } >> } Guess which line is which: >> } BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB >> } X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 >> } Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 >I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. Give me a break! Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's ~.300 OBP in front of you... Gord Niguma (fav player: John Olerud) " 1505,11,"From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Summary: (We need privacy chips for phones, not computer-bound station)_ Article-I.D.: agora.C5qy3M.DE3 Organization: Open Communications Forum Lines: 48 Since the wiretap chip is being distributed internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Please put DISTRIBUTION: WORLD on the Distrubution: line. Thank you. ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes: >However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who >cares about the clipper chip? You don't care that people are being lied to, fooled into believing the chip gives ""privacy"" when it fact it allows wiretaps? You don't give a shit about anybody's privacy except your own? (And not even your own; are you so smart that you know when you're talking to somebody who has a wiretap chip on their phone instead of a privacy chip with private keys?) >attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a >clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed >the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the >phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse. ""Simply?"" ""Everyone"" should have this attitude? The only people who can have this attitude are the most hard-core computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their computer, who apparently never call anybody except another computer hacker, or perhaps another spook (U.S. classified agents refuse to use their own system, only oblivious civilian dupes get that dubious privilege). Only spooks and hard-core hackers need privacy, huh? We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world. What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time voice-encryption RSA, put it into a silicon compiler and spit out ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist stupidity. jhart@agora.rain.com " 1506,16,"From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: N/I Lines: 114 In article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: [ ... ] >> Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every >> person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude >> and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents >> make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when >> strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups >> like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative >> effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the >> good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He >> was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". > >Sometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors >on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once >told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I've misplaced the Here'a a copy, cdt: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,ou.politics >Path: dg-rtp!psinntp!uunet!sun-barr!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!mvp >From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) >Subject: The difference an armed civilian population makes >Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 23:42:42 GMT >Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) >References: >Lines: 84 > >Along the lines of ""The Armed Citizen"", here's a story that >some of you may find amusing. It's a story about Arizona >house-hunting, from Leslie Fish, musician and author... > >---- > ... One of the reasons I'm planning to move to Arizona is that -- >despite its lousy economy, 4-way race problems, simmering religious >problems and hopelessly bad government -- Arizona has one of the lowest >violent- crime rates in the country. Is it just coincidence that >Arizona is also one of the few remaining no-gun- control states in the >country? > > Well, consider this funny story. Last time I was in Phoenix, >staying with Liz Burnham, I did some checking on the local real-estate >market (that's when I discovered that, with my income -- as provable by >my tax returns -- I can qualify for every low-income housing loan in >the book, with the exception of VA), and I came across an astonishing >ad in the local market-paper. It offered a three-bedroom house in the >Phoenix area for -- are you ready for this -- all of $10,000. No money >down. $100 per month total payments. Christ on a Harley-Davidson! I >called up the real-estate office making this offer, made it clear that >I was only checking the local market, and asked about that house. Were >the walls, roof and foundation structurally sound? Yes. Were the >plumbing and electrical systems functional and up to code? Yes. Did the >air-conditioning system (an absolute necessity in Phoenix) work? Yes, >again. Okay, so what was wrong with the house? Well, it needed lots >of plastering, painting, yard work, and some patching of the roof -- >and yes, low-interest repair loans were available. Okay, sez I. If >that's all that's wrong with it, just why are you selling a 3-bedroom >house for all of $10,000? Well, squirms the agent, it's in kind of a >bad neighborhood. How bad? sez I, remembering some of the neighborhoods >I've seen in Chicago and Oakland. Worst in the city, the agent sighs, >and then he told me this amazing story. > > Every few years, it seems, the big vice-gangs in Los Angeles notice >that there's no gang presence in Phoenix -- which is just a quick >5-hour drive from LA -- and get the idea of setting up a subsidiary >there. Well, a couple years ago, the colonizing force came to this >neighborhood -- it being poor and Spanish, they figured they could move >right in and take over -- bought this house and started operations. >Unfortunately for them, the neighbors not only didn't like this -- they >didn't care for whores trotting up and down their streets all night, >pimps soliciting their kids, dope- deals on the corners in broad >daylight, and so on -- they weren't afraid to do something about it. >The neighbors called the cops (for some reason, the Phoenix police are >remarkably honest, capable, polite and prompt), and the cops promptly >came and swept up all the whores, pimps and pushers off the street and >away to jail. The remaining gang members decided to retaliate in the >fashion they usually use in LA; they got the complainant's name and >address off the court records, and did a drive-by shooting at his >house. Well, this wasn't Los Angeles. The moment the neighbors heard >the first gunshots fired, they all ran out their front doors with their >own guns -- rifles, shotguns, pistols, everything -- and shot back. > > The car didn't make it to the end of the block. It coasted to a >stop, riddled with more holes than the famous Bonnie and Clyde getaway >car (which I've seen; it's on display in a casino in a casino in Las >Vegas). The gas tank and fuel lines had been ruptured, so the car >caught fire. The neighbors waited a good 15 minutes -- making sure >nobody got out of that car -- before they called the fire department to >come put out the fire and tow the wreck away. By that time, the asphalt >under the car had melted and caught fire too, which subsequently left a >large and nasty pot-hole in the street. The city is slow about >repairing small streets, so the hole stayed there providing a traffic >hazard for several months. All this was two years ago, the agent >concluded, and there's been no trouble since, but the house and the >neighborhood still have a bad reputation -- and that's why the house >was so cheap. > > Hearing this story, I nearly laughed my ass off. I told the agent >that if I had the money at the moment, I'd by-god buy the house; this >was _nothing_ compared to bad neighborhoods I'd seen here in >California, where drive-by shootings go unchecked by the well-armed >cops, let alone by the unarmed neighbors. If that's the absolute worst >you'll find in Phoenix, then that's the city for me. > > That's the difference that an armed civilian population makes. >Think about it. > > >-- >Mike Van Pelt When guns are outlawed, >mvp@netcom.com only Carl Rowan will have guns. >mvp@hsv3.lsil.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 1507,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services In-Reply-To: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 04:41:19 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 26 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable one: Make it voluntary. That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. That's the disturbing part - use of other products IS voluntary, for now, and the press releases talk about the White House's unwillingness to decide that citizens have a right to good commercial crypto gear, and about how commercial alternatives will be permitted as long as they provide key escrow services. That's a clear implication that they're considering banning alternatives. Additionally, use of real alternatives ISN'T totally legal - you're not allowed to export really good crypto equipment except to the government's friends (e.g. the Australian government) you can only export even BAD crypto equipment with their permission, and the regulators who control the cellular telephone companies make sure there are only two competitors, so Joe's Garage Cellular can't start offering a secure service. -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 1508,16,"From: rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... Nntp-Posting-Host: spino.soar.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 15 In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his >chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >Duke. I'd hardly call that ""giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US""; the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. Robert " 1509,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 26 Ted Dunning (ted@nmsu.edu) wrote: : : nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been : under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that : clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing : choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has : been in the works for some time. Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the chips is well underway, and so forth. Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose to go ahead with it. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 1510,12,"From: corleyg@ul.ie Subject: Microstrip help wanted Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland Lines: 8 I need information on microstrip circuit design especially filter design for the 1-3GHz range. Can you recommend any good books, journals, or microstrip circuit design software. . all help appreciated Gerry Corley, ECE Department, Univesity of Limerick, Ireland. " 1511,15,"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 32 tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: >I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So you believe in the existance of One creator I assume. >definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion >about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the >effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus >as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, >buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not >believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be >lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only >god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. Ok, god has the disclaimer, reserves the right to judge individual cases. If we believe him to be loving, then we also believe him to be able to serve justice to all. Don't worry if a Jew, or athiest is going to heaven or hell, for that is god to judge (although truly if you were concerned you could only worry abput those who refuse to believe/satisfy gods decrees) as much as keeping yourself straight. If you see something going on that is wrong, discuss it and explore it before making summary judgement. People have enough free will to choose for themselves, so don't force choices on them, just inform them of what they're choices are. God will take care of the rest in his justice. >Thanks, >-Tim -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu " 1512,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 70 In article kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: > >There is no way out of the loop. Oh contrer mon captitan! There is a way. Certainly it is not by human reason. Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!) To paraphrase Sartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point. It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing. Your logic comes to fruition in relativism. > >""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" > -- Ludwig Wittgenstein Ah, now it is clear. Ludwig was a desciple of Russell. Ludwig's fame is often explained by the fact that he spawned not one but two significant movements in contemporary philosophy. Both revolve around Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus ('21) and Philosophical Investigation ('53). Many of Witt's comments and implicit conclusions suggest ways of going beyond the explicit critique of language he offers. According to some of the implicit suggestions of Witt's thought, ordinary language is an invaluable resource, offering a necessary framework for the conduct of daily life. However, though its formal features remain the same, its content does not and it is always capable of being transcended as our experience changes and our understanding is deepened, giving us a clearer picture of what we are and what we wish to say. On Witt's own account, there is a dynamic fluidity of language. It is for this reason that any critique of language must move from talking about the limits of language to talking about its boundaries, where a boundary is understood not as a wall but a threshold. vonWrights's comment that Witt's ""sentences have a content that often lies deep beneath the surface of language."" On the surface, Witt talks of the insuperable position of ordinary language and the necessity of bringing ourselves to accept it without question. At the same time, we are faced with Witt's own creative uses of language and his concern for bringing about changes in our traditional modes of understanding. Philosophy, then, through more perspicacious speech, seeks to effect this unity rather than assuming that it is already functioning. Yes? The most brilliant of scientists are unable to offer a foundation for human speech so long as they reject Christianity! In his Tractatus we have the well nigh perfect exhibition of the nature of the impasse of the scientific ideal of exhaustive logical analysis of Reality by man. Perfect language does not exist for fallen man, therefore we must get on about our buisness of relating Truth via ordinary language. This is why John's Gospel is so dear to most Christians. It is so simple in it conveyance of the revealation of God, yet so full of unlieing depth of understanding. He viewed Christ from the OT concept of ""as a man thinketh, so he is."" John looked at the outward as only an indicator of what was inside, that is the consciousness of Christ. And so must we. Words are only vehicals of truth. He is truth. The scriptures are plain in their expounding that there is a Truth and that it is knowable. THere are absolutes, and they too are knowable. However, they are only knowable when He reveals them to the individual. There is, and we shouldn't shy from this, a mysticism to Christianity. Paul in ROm 8 says there are 3 men in the world. There is the one who does not have the Spirit and therefore can not know the things of the Spirit (the Spirit of Truth) and there is the one who has the Spirit and has the capacity to know of the Truth, but there is the third. THe one who not only has the Spirit, but that the Spirit has him! Who can know the deep things of God and reveal them to us other than the Spirit. And it is only the deep things of GOd that are absolute and true. There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be experienced and it is verifiable. I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because if it is taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair. ""I would know the words which He would answer me, and understand what He would say unto me."" Job 23ff --Rex suggested, easy reading about epistimology: ""He is there and He is not Silent"" by Francis Schaeffer. " 1513,2,"From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) Subject: Re: ATM Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. Lines: 27 In article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes: > >I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use >ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all >included ATManager as a ""bonus"" Adobe has been doing this for years. >I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw. >Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff >types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a >decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4 >Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the ""Resolution Enhancement >Technology"" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. >So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >better printer technologies ... and TT? There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is a waste of system resources. Personally, I use both. -- Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP " 1514,6,"From: jmatkins@quads.uchicago.edu (Jonny A (Voltron)) Subject: Panasonic dot matrix printer: $165 complete Reply-To: jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: usa Lines: 41 I would like to sell my dot matrix printer so I can upgrade to inkjet. It is a ""Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer"". Here are the stats (from memory and the manual): - 360x360 dot-printing for hi-res graphics, etc. - VERY fast (up to 192 cps) printing in ""printer-controlled"" (as opposed to Windows driver-controlled) printing - Bidirectional printing for faster processing speed - 5 fonts (""courier"",""prestige"",""bold ps"",""script"",""sans serif"") - Epson LQ-2500 and IBM Proprinter X24 printer emulation - Can accept single sheets, envelopes, and 3 non-carbon copies by friction feed - Front or bottom paper feed - 6KB buffer I will send a sample document and a printed GIF/JPEG file to anyone who wishes to send a SASE. With purchase (prepaid, please!), I will include the following accessories: - Manual - cable (Centronics) - remaining stack of tractor-fed paper (about .4"") - FREE copy of Windows printer driver (unless this is illegal, or if it is included with Windows) - FREE unregistered DOS shareware program ($2 registration, I think) that apparently offers some word processing capabilities from DOS The last two will be on a disk (either size). I am asking for around $165, but I am open to any (reasonable) offers. I am a college student, so I cannot afford to buy a new printer without getting a considerable portion of the money from this printer. This price includes all above items, and shipping (probably UPS) is included as well. I have the original box, but only one of the original Styrofoam end pieces. I will use a towel on the other end (you get a free towel too!!). Worked fine getting it here. The whole shebang might not fit in the original box; I will figure this out after the offers come in. Email any questions and offers. -Jon. -- jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu | jmatkins@ellis.uchicago.edu " 1515,5,"From: kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov (Kevin B. Weinrich) Subject: Why do I need ""xrdb -m"" when .Xdefaults unchanged? Organization: Computer Sciences Corp. Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ath.epa.gov I'm having an X resource problem using Brian Wilson's wscrawl 2.0 (a wonderful interactive conferencing program, by the way). I'm running OpenWindows 3.0 on a SPARC 1+ under OS 4.1.3. I have the following defaults in my .Xdefaults file (among many others): wscrawl.telePointerName: Kevin wscrawl.syncScrollbars: True wscrawl.continuousTelePointer: True wscrawl.showPointerCoordinates: False wscrawl*background: LightBlue wscrawl*swindow*foreground: yellow wscrawl*draw_area_frame*foreground: Blue wscrawl*keyboardFocusPolicy: pointer Naturally, I exited the server and restarted it after adding those lines to .Xdefaults . If I run the following from a cmdtool (pwd = my home dir.): xrdb -m .Xdefaults and then start up wscrawl, then all those defaults are used properly. Wonderful, yes? Except that I can't get them to be operative except by *manually* invoking the afore-mentioned xrdb command. If I try: xrdb .Xdefaults the defaults ""won't take."" So, I tried to change the xrdb call in my .xinitrc file from: xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults to: xrdb -m $HOME/.Xdefaults No go. So I tried adding in: xrdb -m /home/kbw/.Xdefaults at the beginning or end of my .openwin-init file. Still no go. Any notions what gives? Thanks for the help. -- Kevin Weinrich Computer Sciences Corp. kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov " 1516,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") - soc.religion.christian #16242 Reply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com Lines: 38 In article , trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > norris@athena.mit.edu writes: > > For example: why does the universe exist at all? > > Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also > assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" > to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't > we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to > ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" Whether there is a ""why"" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager. If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we don't search for it, then we have wasted our potentially meaningful lives. Suppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another 5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small that it is scary. So by searching for the ""why"" along with my friends here on earth if nothing else we aren't so scared. What if you woke up at a party, with no memory, and everyone was discussing who the host might be? There might not be a host, you say. I say let's go find him, the party's going to be over sometime, maybe he'll let us stay. Because we recognize our own mortality we have to find the ""why"". > ... > Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, > Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic > quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, > thus all must be true... This is a good point. But more of a good point for studying religion than ignoring it. Some Christians disagree with me, but it is worthwhile to study different religions and philosophies and glean the truth from them. To quote (of course out of context) ""Test everything and keep what is true."" Chris Mussack " 1517,12,"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 10 drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: > Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, > that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. > >Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for >just the amplifier. It is too possible. As the original poster said ""it is very unlikely"" but definately possible. (Can you say batteries?) " 1518,2,"Subject: Is SMARTDRV.EXE causing bad sectors on my hd? From: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver) Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA Lines: 47 I am having something very unusual happen. First some background on my system. I have a Mitsubishi 63 meg Hard Drive, and am running Smartdrv (the version that comes with Windows 3.1) on it. I rarely use Windows. I use a program called Disk Technician Gold v1.14 to do diagnostics live time on my hard drive. It works by having a device driver detect whenever more than one read is necessary for a file, or if there is anything else is wrong with it, and minor problems are fully checked out upon rebooting. My hard drive is notorious for bad sectors. I usually end up with 8 new bad sectors a week. Here's what happened: I ran a program, and DTG broke in with an Emergency Warning and recommended I reboot. It gave me this message twice before the program was fully loaded. I exited the program and did just this. DTG went through its bootup process, examining for new errors etc., and a screen popped up and said something about sectors for a brief period of time. I then went back to the program, executed it again, and the exact same error was detected. I rebooted and tried again, and the same error happened again. So, I removed DTG from memory, and went to the program to see if I could detect anything wrong. Sure enough there was a number of read attempts. So I rebooted and reloaded DTG, but removed the cache. I executed the program. No read errors, either audible or detected by DTG. I quit the program, loaded the cache, and ran the program again. The errors were detected. Ok, so the errors are there, and DTG detects but doesn't fix them, when the cache is loaded. When the cache is not loaded there are no errors. So, to see if the cache was interfering with any other files, I went into xtree gold and tagged all files, and searched them for a random string (in other words, I wanted the program to completely read every file on my hard drive). Before I got through the c's DTG had detected at least six errors and recommended I reboot. Does anybody, have any idea why Smartdrv is causing misreads on my hard drive? Oh, there are exactly two misreads per file, and 1 in about every 100 files are affected. I originally posted this message to Disk Technician Corp.'s system, but I figured someone out in netland may know enough about smartdrv to help me out. -- INTERNET: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver) UUCP: ...!ryptyde!netlink!jdriver NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115 " 1519,1,"From: scornd7@technet.sg (Tang Chang Thai) Subject: Re: InterViews graphics package Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 9 Rene S. Dutch student (renes@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch) wrote: : I'm trying out the C++ graphics package InterViews. Besides the man pages : on the classes, I haven't got any documentation. Is there anything else : around? Furthermore, can anyone send me a (small!) example program : which shows how to use these classes together ? I would be very gratefull... You might want to try comp.windows.interviews. " 1520,3,"From: epwong@nyx.cs.du.edu (Elliott Wong) Subject: Help! KA9Q/Ethernet Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Follow-Ups: poster Lines: 19 Dear All, I am trying to get my standard connection going with KA9Q (PA0GRI113016) and a GVC NIC-2000 ethernet card. I know that my router and modem is working because I am able to ping, finger, and even telnetd with it. However, after a time, it crashes randomly. Help would be greatly appreciated. I suspect that there is a hardware conflict in the PC. I am running with a 386SX/33, 2 MB Ram. The Ethernet card is configured for IRQ 5, ports 0x360-0x37F. Thanks in advance. I know that it's not much to go on, but I don't even know what the questions to ask are, sorry. Please send mail. Elliott " 1521,11,"From: artmel@well.sf.ca.us (Arthur Melnick) Subject: Some questions regarding Big Brother (Clipper) Summary: Some thoughts and questions regarding clipper Keywords: clipper Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 23 In previous postings by Hellman, Bellovin, etal it was reported the Big Brother (Clipper) chip will encrypt plaintext in 64 bit blocks as is done with DES. The users key K which can be derived from RSA, Diffy-Hellman, etc. is used to encrypt plaintext M and is then used to form a ""three part message"". This three part message consists of E[M; K], K encrypted with some other key, and the chip serial number. This three part message is then encrypted by still another key. My question is: What is a message? For example, say we are dealing with an encrypted digitized voice application. The speech waveform is sampled and digitized and then some number of samples are grouped into a 64 bit block. This block is then encrypted and transmitted over a non-secure communications link. Where is the three part message? Is something appended to each 64 bit block? Is a header sent at the beginning of the session? If the header is sent at the beginning of the session, how do they insure the equipment manufacturer using the chip does just that? Can just anyone manufacture products using the chip? Is a facility clearance required to manufacture? Any ideas? " 1522,9,"From: js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes: >Stay in school. You have a lot to learn. Learn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I know Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if he didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is now. I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport for a living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough. If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one hurting. The A's will still win without him. Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their athletic ability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard working citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay. I don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is when the say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3 million--also, their numbers get worse. " 1523,15,"From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Subject: Re: catholic church poland Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 10 In article , s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) writes... >I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. >church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools, There was an article on clari.news.religion in the last few days about a Polish tribunal decision. It said that crucifixes and religious classes in public schools were okay; and that children who did not want to take religion class could not be forced to take an ethics class as a substitute. larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu " 1524,6,From: kimman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim Richard Man) Subject: SyQuest 44M cartrifge FORSALE Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr17.174951.18029 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 5 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I have 2 New and 2 slightly used SyQuest 44M cartridge forsale. Asking $230 for all of them and shipping is included. Please reply by E-mail. Richard 1525,16,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Keywords: BATF FBI Korash ""child abuse"" guns murder CONTROL Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 17 In <2077@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >Anybody for impeachment? Yeah, me. Both the Slickmeister and Hillary's buddy Janet say they're responsible... I want both their resignations on my desk yesterday. I also want both thier butts up on federal civil rights violations.... something which carries life in prison as a penalty. Oh, and I'll contribute $20 to Arlen Specter's presidential campaign for having the 'nads to launch the Senate investigation. -- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) ================== America in Distress ================== (flag upside down = SOS) *******=========== Save your Republic before *******=========== it no longer exists. *******=========== " 1526,6,"From: ma225121@umbc.edu (Jonas Schlein) Subject: Olivetti XT Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: ma225121 I am selling an AT&T XT compatible. It comes with a green screen CGA monitor, 360k 5.25"" Floppy Drive, and a 20 Megabyte Hard Drive. You would think it was brand new from the condition it's in. Asking price is $150 + Shipping. Reply via E-Mail if interested. " 1527,14,"From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Space class for teachers near Chicago Organization: Motorola Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 59 I am posting this for a friend without internet access. Please inquire to the phone number and address listed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Space: Teaching's Newest Frontier"" Sponsored by the Planetary Studies Foundation The Planetary Studies Foundation is sponsoring a one week class for teachers called ""Space: Teaching's Newest Frontier."" The class will be held at the Sheraton Suites in Elk Grove, Illinois from June 14 through June 18. Participants who complete the program can earn two semester hours of graduate credit from Aurora College. Please note that while the class is intended for teachers, it is not restricted to teachers. The class, which is being cosponsored by the United States Space Foundation, will teach how to use space exploration as a teaching tool to get students excited about learning and interested in science. Classroom topics to be covered by the class include: > Living in Space > The Space Shuttle > The Space Station > NASA Spinoffs that Benefit Society > Principles of Astrodynamics/Aeronautics > The Solar System There will also be simulated Zero-G training in an underwater space station simulation, model rocket launches, observing sessions at the Harper College Observatory, and field trips to the Adler Planetarium and the Museum of Science and Industry. Featured speakers include Jerry Brown of the Colorado based United States Space Foundation and Debbie Brown of the NASA Lewis Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. Additional instructors will be provided by the Planetary Studies Foundation. The social highlight of the class will be a dinner banquet featuring Space Shuttle Payload Specialist Byron Lichtenberg, currently President of Payload Systems, Inc. Lichtenberg was a member of the crew of STS-9 which flew in November 1983. The banquet is scheduled for Thursday, June 17. The registration fee includes transportation for field trips, materials, continental breakfasts, lunches, and the special dinner banquet. Guest tickets for the dinner banquet are also available. There is an additional charge to receive the two hours of graduate credit. For any additional information about the class, contact the Science Learning Center at (708) 359-7913. Or write to: Planetary Studies Foundation 1520 W. Algonquin Rd. Palatine, IL 60067 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL " 1528,18,"From: rolandi@hssc.scarolina.edu (Walter Rolandi) Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 13 hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes: >A good two-party system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government. yeah, just like we have here in the US. -- WALTER G. ROLANDI USENET: rolandi@andy.hssc.scarolina.edu INTERNET: rolandi@hsscls.hssc.scarolina.edu " 1529,15,"From: uad1126@tdc.dircon.co.uk (Robert Palmer) Subject: Christian Parenting Lines: 40 Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating information on discipline within the Christian home. Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me your response to the following questionaire. All responses will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare stats. 1. Ages & sexes of children 2. Do you spank your kids? 3. If so how often? 4. Do you use an implement to spank with? 5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use? 6. Your age? 7. Your location 8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal offence? 9. How ere you disciplined as a kid Thank you in advance for any reply you can make. Please e-mail your replies rather than post them on the newsgroup [I hope it is obvious that responses to this question are likely to have serious problems when used for research purposes. Our readers are not likely to be a random sample of Christians, and this form does not contain enough information to act as a stratified sample. Perhaps someone who is familiar with research methods might want to correspond with him. --clh] " 1530,15,"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: Organization: HFSI Lines: 51 In article parkin@Eng.Sun.COM writes: >desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah. If >the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this >cup pass from him. Was this out of weakness. NEVER. Many men and >women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes. >Is Jesus less than these. No he is not. He knew the crucification >was NOT the will of GOD. God's will was that the Jewish people accept >Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on >the earth with Jesus as it's head. (Just like the Jewish people >expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what . . . Why do you assume that Jesus's plea to His Father ""to let this cup pass from Him"", was merely a plea to escape death? When I look at Jesus in the garden, I see a Man-God, who all His life had had the presense of His Father with Him. As a result, He knew every detail about His death long before the Agony in the Garden. But as that hour approached, He felt abandoned by His Father, His presense diminishing with each passing minute. In addition, it was brought more and more to Jesus's attention (the betrayal of Judas was probably a big impact) that His suffering would be to no avail for many people, especially those who would reject Him, not only then but in the future. I truly believe that the majority of Jesus's suffering was mental and spiritual, while the physical portion was only the tip of the iceburg. BTW, we know from John's account that Jesus *shunned* becomming an earthly king. From John: JOH 6:14 After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, ""Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."" JOH 6:15 Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself. This does not seem like a man who would regret not becoming an earthly king. No, Jesus knew His mission was to redeem all (Jew & Gentile) people and establish His kingdom in the hearts of those who would believe. This was utterly mistaken, much to Jesus's dismay, as an aspiration to some earthly kingdom. But He knew what His Father's will was and followed it obediently even in the darkness of His Passion. -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 " 1531,15,"From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 56 In article atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically >removing the physical ""proofs"" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to >rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase >science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing. > First of all, I resent your assumption that you know why I am threatened by science, or even that I am threatened at all, although I admit the latter. The reason I am threatened by Science has nothing to do with my need for proof of my Lord's existence-- God reveals Himself in many ways, including, to some degree, Science. My problem with Science is that often it allows us to assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us with the ability to produce life through sexual relations, for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone. Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power to decide who should and should not be able to have children? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that is made possible. People have always had the ability to end lives unnaturally, and soon may have the ability to bring lives into the world unnaturally. The closest thing to artificially created life is artificially created death, and as God has reserved judgement about when people should die to Himself, I believe we should rely on God's wisdom about how people should be brought in to the world. This is not to say that I reject all forms of medical treatment, however. Treatment that alleviates pain, or prevents pain from occuring, is perfectly acceptable, I believe, as it was acceptable for Jesus to cure the sick. However, treatment that merely prolongs life for no reason, or makes unnecessary alterations to the body for mere aesthetic purposes, go too far. Are we not happy with the beauty God gave us? I cannot draw a solid line regarding where I would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not, but I will say this: Before one experiments with the universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask why they want this knowledge. Before one alters the body they have been given, they should ask themseles why their body is not satisfactory too them as it is. I cannot make any general rules that will cover all the cases, but I will say that each person should pray for guidance when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and should cease their unravelling if they have reason to believe their search is displeasing to God. ---Malcusco " 1532,7,"From: bell@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Bell) Subject: Re: Info/Opinions Wanted on Cars In this Article Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr13.182100.26650@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >In article <49071@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes: >> >>I'm in the market for a new car. Currently I own a '90 Mazda MX-6 DX >>which has served me just fine. However, I'd like to get >>a 4-door car since I don't relish the thought of moving a carseat >>around in a 2-door car. My criteria are: 4-door, a/c, am/fm cassette, >>quick acceleration, cruise control, decent rear seat legroom (my >>husband is a 6-footer). It must also be under $20k >>preferably closer to the 11-15k range (which will probably rule out >>the Accord). The '93 cars that have caught my eye are: Toyota Corolla, >>Toyata Camry, Mazda 626, Pontiac Grand Am, Pontiac Grand Prix, >>Honda Accord, (and Civic if it's roomy enough and still comes in a >>4-door model), Hyundai Sonata, and maybe even a small Oldsmobile, >>although not the Achieva. All opinions, benchmarks, >>recommendations, etc. are welcome. > >I really wouldn't consider the Grand Am/Achevia/Skylark (all the same) >since they are very bad in frontal collsions and don't have any >other really outstanding qualities. > >john >-- I really must object to that last statement. Having a lot of experience with a '92 Grand Am coupe, I can firmly state that they do have a lot of outstanding qualities. Very reliable throughout. Great layout of controls and components. Very roomy considering the exterior size of the car. They look sharp inside and out. The V6 that I drive has exceptional power and drivability compared to other similar cars that I have driven. All in all, it's a fun-to-drive, dependable, and reasonably priced vehicle. Please don't knock it with a statement like that unless you back it up with specific reasons why you feel that way. Rob bell@plains.nodak.edu >John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ >""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ >something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ >wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ " 1533,9,"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Montreal Question....... Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: > What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it > anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 Currently, he's all over. He played 2nd when Deshields was out. He was shifted to third when Delino came back. And today, he played SS for a cold Wil Cordero. His natural positions seem to be in the middle infield, but they will seemingly find a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot. P. Tierney " 1534,4,From: ladd.morse@his.com (Ladd Morse) Subject: Mac oriented BBSs in Chicago Lines: 8 A member of the local BBS I frequent is looking for Mac oriented BBSs based in Chicago. Any leads would be most appreciated. #! 1535,12,"From: heuvel@neptune.iex.com (Ted Van Den Heuvel) Subject: Motorola MC14315 and MC143120 Originator: heuvel@neptune.iex.com Organization: iex Lines: 12 Let me try sending this message again, I botched up the margins the first time; *sorry* 'bout that :) Does anyone out there know of any products using Motorola's Neuron(r) chips MC143150 or MC143120. If so, what are they and are they utilizing Standard Network Variable Types (SNVT)? ________________________________________________________________________ Ted Van Den Heuvel heuvel@neptune.iex.com KX5P ________________________________________________________________________ " 1536,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 In article yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes: >>Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures. >>They poo-poo doing more lab tests: ""this is Lyme, believe me, I've > >Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate? If you culture out the spirochete, it is virtually 100% certain the patient has Lyme. I suppose you could have contamination in an exceptionally sloppy lab, but normally not. There are no false positives. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1537,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 32 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.143754.643@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca |> (Malcolm Lee) wrote: |> > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very |> > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch |> > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac |> > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, |> > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT |> > Jesus Christ as he claimed. |> |> The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never |> claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that |> he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. |> |> He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, |> and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 |> children died, and no God saved them. |> |> Kent |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven, a far better place. How do I know? By faith. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 1538,11,"From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) Subject: Re: More technical details Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 15 Another objection occurred to me. There was a comment about how supposedly there would only be one decode box, operated by the FBI. This is flat ridiculous, and I don't believe it for a millisecond. Even *if* they in fact only build one (or two or some other small number) of these, that won't stop others from building one. Make it work like two Clipper-chip phones, one listening to each side of the recorded conversation. I'll have to have another look at the specs posted so far, but offhand I didn't see anything that would preclude this sort of thing..... -- Robert Bickford rab@well.sf.ca.us Treasurer and Newsletter Editor, /-------------------------------------\ Lib. Party of Marin County (CA) | Don't Blame Me: I Voted Libertarian | Member, CA State Central Committee \-------------------------------------/ " 1539,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 12 In article <1r3hgqINNdaa@uwm.edu> Rick Miller writes: >jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes: >>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. > >Or, the more *likely* explanation is that Marc is spoofing. While I didn't try the expansion personally, I know of at least two other people who did and got the same results. Your allegation is incorrect at best. PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 1540,3,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:47 GMT Lines: 30 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article <1993Apr17.204247.6741@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: > In article wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: > > >> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better > >> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when > >> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. > > > >A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data > >from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data > >and moves it to memory. > > IDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA, > and most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to > do directly with SCSI. IDE does not do DMA. This is because it's like te PC AT hard disk interface. The controller moves a sector to some buffer memory on the controller card, then the CPU moves the data from the buffer to main memory where it's needed. If IDE doesn't work this way, then it's not compatible. Heck, if IDE used DMA, then you'd hear all kinds of complaints about ISA bus systems with more than 16M RAM not working with their IDE drives. 16M is the DMA addressing limit of the ISA bus, and if IDE did DMA there would be trouble. (BTW, there are DMA-enabling signals in the IDE cable spec, but the last report I heard was that they are never implemented, because it would require a different kind of IDE adapter and different drivers.) -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 1541,5,"From: jeremy@wildcat.npa.uiuc.edu (Jeremy Payne) Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Organization: Neuronal Pattern Analysis, University of Illinois Lines: 49 In article <735516045.1507@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: |> cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote: |> : Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4, |> : Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup |> : dialog boxes and so on. |> : |> : In example 3.5, page 76 : ""Creating a pop-up dialog box"" |> : |> : The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". |> : The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of |> : this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the |> : first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), |> : it is *much* slower. |> : |> : Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get |> : this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response |> : time from 2nd time onwards ? |> : Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time |> : they popup in reasonable fast response time ? |> : |> : Thankyou - Shirley |> |> Thanks to those who responded. |> |> We were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods: |> |> 1) running twm rather than olwm |> 2) keeping olwm, but putting ""wmTimeout: 10"" in the resources |> |> It has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the |> window manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse |> what is going on from this information, please post and let us know. |> |> Thanks -- Shirley I ran in to this problem I while ago, and from what I remember you should use XtTranslateCoordinates etc. after realizing the main widget to calculate the location of the popup, then use something like XtVaSetValues on the popup widgets before ever using them. Calling SetValues repeatedly (e.g. every time something pops up) seems to be what slows you down. I never delved deep enough to figure out exactly why though... --------------------------- Jeremy Payne UIUC Neuroscience program / College of Medicine jrpayne@uiuc.edu (217)244-4478 --------------------------- " 1542,9,"From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization Distribution: na Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr13.221704.4291@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: >>In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >>>Guess which line is which: >>> BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB >>>X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 >>>Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 >> >>>The walks should give it away. OBP's, in general, somewhat more valuable than >>>slugging, and Alomar's edge in OBP was quite a bit larger than Baerga's edge >>>in slugging. >> >>I'm no SDCN, but what's more valuable: >> >>28 hits w/5 more doubles, 12 more HRs OR >>7 more triples and 52 BBs? (Let's not forget the 39 extra SBs. How many CS?) > >Alomar had 9 CS. Baerga had 2. > >Don't forget the 59 more outs Baerga had (his GIDP balances out his CS, and >he had one more sacrifice than Alomar). A replacement level second baseman >could have had 17 hits, 5 walks, and a couple of XBH for the additional >outs Baerga had. A triple is little different than a home run. We're talking >exchanging almost 60 walks for six or seven home runs and four doubles. I >would say the almost-60 walks are more valuable. Also, Alomar got a FAR greater boost from his home park than Baerga did from his. And ""six or seven home runs""? Hmm. So, if you wanted to pick a second baseman to play in Toronto, you'd take Alomar. Anywhere else, and you'd probably take Baerga. Mike -- Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^? exit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT ^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !! man help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel ""Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."" " 1543,11,"From: pom@anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE (Prof. Dr. Klaus Pommerening) Subject: DES: init vector as additional key? Keywords: DES, CBC, CFB, key search Nntp-Posting-Host: anke.imsd.uni-mainz.de Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Lines: 15 The recent discussion in this news group suggests that a key search attack against DES is quite feasible now. But normally DES is applied in CBC or CFB mode where one chooses a random init vector of 8 bytes. Questions: - Makes it sense to handle the init vector as an additional key? Then we have a 56 + 64 = 120 bit key. - If yes: Is anything known about the security of this key scheme? Can we break it faster than by exhaustive search through the 120 bit key space? -- Klaus Pommerening Institut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation der Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet Obere Zahlbacher Strasse 69, W-6500 Mainz, Germany " 1544,13,"From: akins@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (kay.a.akins) Subject: Seizure information - infant Organization: AT&T Keywords: seizures Lines: 8 Here is the tollfree hotline for the Epilepsy Foundation of America - 1-800-EFA-1000. They will be able to answer your questions and send you information and references on seizure types, medication, etc. They can also give you references for a pediatric neorologist in your area. Also ask for the number of your local Foundation who can put you in touch with a Parent Support Group and social workers. Good Luck. " 1545,5,"From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: tuda tkld@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Davidson) writes: >> In my opinion, a programming degree is still worth having. > Yes, but a CS degree is *not* a programming degree. Does anybody know of >a computing course where *programming* is taught ? Computer Science is >a branch of maths (or the course I did was). > I've also done a Software Engineering course - much more practical and likely >to be the sort of thing an employer really wants, rather than what they think >they want, but also did not teach programming. The ability to program was >an entry requirement. Try the 'M.Sc. Computing Science' course at the REAL Newcastle University. It's a conversion course, but at least they teach REAL programming. In the space of 9 months we were taught PASCAL, Simula, Prolog, Miranda. Also, some basic low level stuff (68000) was covered as well. They also did concurrent programming and operating systems, some software engineering, plus quite a few optional units, including database theory, and some stuff about comms. The PASCAL is to be replaced by C/C++ I think next year - I learn't this (and X Windows programming as well) anyway via a good selection of project over the final three months - depending on your tastes, the selection of skills learn't can be quite wide reaching. The one critiscism I would level at the course, which I would have thought invaluable, is the lack of an option to do the project period in industry - this would probably need a slightly longer project period (say six months), but would enhance the prestige and usefulness of an already excellent and thorough course. Yes, I know this sounds like a plug for the course, why not! Mackem Ian. " 1546,7,"From: davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave Chu) Subject: WANTED: OPINIONS ON 75 MG Nntp-Posting-Host: dreams.ece.concordia.ca Organization: ECE - Concordia University Lines: 14 I was wondering if anyone out in net-land have any opinions on MGs in general. I know they are not the most reliable cars around but summer is approaching and they are convertibles `8^). I'm interested in a 75 MG but any opinions on MGs would be appreciated. Thanks. Dave |\ | | | ___________________________/\ /\ /\_____| \|_____| |_____ ___ ___ ___ Dave Kai-Chui Chu \/ \/ | /| | | | | | Dept. of Elec. & Comp. Eng. |/ | | | |-- | |-- Concordia University Voice:(514)848-3115 |___ |___ |___ 1455 de Maisonneuve W. H915 Fax: (514)848-2802 Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3G 1M8 Email:davec@ece.concordia.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 1547,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President Names Officials at Transp., Comm., Defen., OPIC Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 130 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release April 14, 1993 PRESIDENT NAMES OFFICIALS AT TRANSPORTATION, COMMERCE, DEFENSE, AND OPIC (Washington, DC) President Clinton announced his intention today to nominate Albert Herberger to be Administrator of the Federal Maritime Administration, Loretta Dunn to be Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Import Administration, and Christopher Finn to be Executive Vice President of the Overseas Private Investment Corporation. Additionally, he has approved the appointments of Joan Yim to be Deputy Administrator of the Federal Maritime Administration, Alice Maroni to be Principal Deputy Comptroller of the Department of Defense, and Deborah Castelman to be Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Command, Control, and Communications. ""We are continuing to move forward with putting together a government of excellent, diverse Americans who share my commitment to changing the way that Washington works,"" said the President. ""These six people I am naming today fit that bill."" Biographical sketches of the nominees are attached. ### BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES OF NOMINEES April 14, 1993 Albert Herberger, a thirty-five year Navy veteran who retired with the rank of Vice Admiral, is the Vice President of the International Planning and Analysis Center (IPAC). Among the positions he held during his naval service were Deputy Commander- in-Chief of the U.S. Transportation Command, Director of Logistics on Staff for the Atlantic Fleet Commander-in-Chief, and Director of the Military Personnel Policy Division for the Office of Naval Operations. A surface warfare expert and a merchant marine officer with over eighteen years operational experience, Herberger is also Vice Chairman of the National Defense Transportation Association's Sealift Committee. He is a graduate of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy and the Naval Postgraduate School. Loretta Dunn has served on the staff of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation since 1979. Since 1983 she has been the Committee's Senior Trade Counsel, responsible for drafting trade legislation and reports, planning and conducting hearings, managing legislation on the Senate floor and in conferences with the House, overseeing a variety of executive branch agencies, including the Department of Commerce. She was previously a Staff Counsel for the Committee. Dunn holds a B.A. in History from the University of Kentucky, a J.D. from the University of Kentucky College of Law, and an L.M. from the Georgetown University Law Center. Christopher Finn is the Executive Vice President of Equities for the American Stock Exchange. Previous positions he has held have included Senior Vice President of the Air and Water Technologies Corporation, Chief of Staff to Senator Daniel P. Moynihan, Deputy Commissioner of the New York State Department of Economic Development, and Chief Legislative Aide to Congressman James R. Jones. Finn is a graduate of Harvard College. Joan Yim is a professional planner with over 17 years experience in community based planning, policy analysis, project design and management, inter-agency coordination and government affairs. From 1975-92, she was with the Hawaii Office of State Planning as a planner on issues relating to natural resource and coastal zone management and public infrastructure financing, among other issues. Currently, she is Supervising Planner with the Honolulu firm of Parsons Brinckerhogg Quade & Douglas. Before going to work for the state, she was Executive Neighborhood Commission Secretary for the City and County of Honolulu, and Chair on the Kaneohe Community Planning Committee. A Democratic National committeewoman, Yim holds a B.A. from Connecticut College and pursued graduate studies at the University of Hawaii. (more) April 14, 1993 page two Alice Maroni is a professional staff member of the House Armed Services Committee specializing in defense budget issues. She previously worked as a national defense specialist in the Foreign Affairs and National Defense Division of the Congressional Research Service, and as an international risk analyst for Rockwell International. She has written extensively on defense budget related topics. Maroni received her B.A. from Mount Holyoke College, and an M.A. from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. She has also completed the senior service program at the National War College and Harvard's Program for Senior Executives in National and International Security. Deborah Castleman is currently on leave from RAND, where she is a Space and Defense Policy Analyst. She was an advisor to the Clinton/Gore campaign on space, science and technology, and national security issues. Prior to joining RAND in 1989, Castleman held engineering positions with the Hughes Space and Communications Group, General Dynamics, and Electrac, Inc. She served as an Avionics Technician in the Air Force from 1974-77. Castleman holds a B.S. in Electrical and Electronic Engineering from California State Polytechnic University, M.S. in Electrical Engineering from the California Institute of Technology, and M.A. in International Studies from Claremont Graduate School. ### " 1548,3,"From: tds32845@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tony Shan ~{5%6+9b~}) Subject: Re: Help with hooking Irwin tape drive to PC Keywords: Irwin tape backup, external unit, help Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 I would like to thank all those people who responded to my post. I would, however, like to clear some things up. My tape drive is *external*. Also, the connector on the back of it is of the male DB-37 pin variety. As a result, I cannot easily find a cost-effective solution to use the drive. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I would prefer email. Thanks! ..Tony Shan ..tonys@uiuc.edu " 1549,7,"From: tpaquette@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette) Subject: My day in court: RESULTS Nntp-Posting-Host: curly.ita.lgc.com Organization: Landmark/ITA Lines: 36 A while back I asked for help in defending a traffic ticket I received. In short: The ticket was for not stopping at a stop sign. Given the conditions I could not stop in time and decided instead of sliding right through the intersection, I would complete my right-turn and avoid a possible accident. A police cruiser happened to be approaching the intersection from my left and gave me the ticket. The officer said ""The only reason that you even slowed down in the first place was that you saw me approaching, otherwise you would have bombed right through"" I would like to thank all those who responded favorably to my request for help. To all of those who told me to bite the bullet and pay the fine: PHGHGHGHGH.. The judge sided with me and decided that in this case ""Not stopping"" was the safest thing to do and found me NOT GUILTY. The officer's statement and my account of the conditions at the time (very slippery, backed by newpaper weather conditions) were the factors what made the judge decide on his verdict. Moral: If you have never been to court before and you think you have a case, go for it. It is a very interesting process, and it is there for your benefit. Exercise your rights. Trev -- Name : Trevor Paquette | Landmark/ITA | _\___ Fahrvergnuegen Email: tpaquette@ita.lgc.com | Calgary, Alberta, Canada | / \____ Visitor from CyberSpace | (403) 269-4669 |/ G60 \ Renegade of Virtual Reality | #include |\-O------O--/ " 1550,7,"From: kensib@cary112.its.rpi.edu (Brian C. Kensing) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Nntp-Posting-Host: cary112.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: kensib@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 10 I prefer a manual to an automatic as it should be. I believe that automatics should only be manufactured for people with physical disabilities who otherwise would not be able to drive. Automatic transmissions allow drivers to be lazy. More time is available to fiddle with the radio or to look at the scenery instead of concentrating on the road. The manual transmission keeps the drive always doing something, granted it isn't a large movement. Plus, driving should be FUN! Driving a manual is fun, driving an automatic is a chore. In the case of shift speed, automatics can be made to shift far faster that any human could move a stick. If I was racing, I'd want and automatic. For normal driving go with the manual. " 1551,3,"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: RE: 80486DX-50 vs 80586DX2-50 Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr06.121342.25130@kub.nl>, volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) writes: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Anonymous, > > I saw a posting about the choice between 80486DX-50 and a 80486DX2-50. > I was wondering: although a DX-50 is faster because of the path to it's > external cache, shouldn't the choice be the DX2-50 as that one can be > made to work properly with a local-bus? I mean, cache speed is one thing, > but all your speed will be blocked during video I/O, so just get that > faster... > I'm willing to speculate that the DX2-50 with local-bus will be 2-4 times > as fast as the DX-50 and probably as expensive (or cheap ;-)! > Technically there is no reason why a chip set cannot support a 486DX50 and a 25MHz local bus. I'm waiting for the mezzianine (sp?) VL bus that will be decoupled from the main CPU clock and allow for many more slots due to the user of buffers. This will allow the use of ever faster CPUs with the same standard I/O cards. Until the next buss spec... > regards, JV > ///// > name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ] > address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/ > 4847 hw teteringen _| |_ > holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \ > _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__ Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 " 1552,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7 In-Reply-To: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:41:35 GMT <1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> <1993Apr20.014135.24134@fsl.noaa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr20.014135.24134@fsl.noaa.gov> bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) writes: In article dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes: > The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar >government equivalent to military) has been let for this ""proprietary"" >design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that >patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified. Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast as a ""classified patent."" Patents exist to encourage communications and develop the state of the art. While there aren't classified patents, there are ""patent secrecy orders"". Suppose you invent a voice scrambler for CB radio, and apply for a patent. The Patent Office decides the NSA might be interested, gives them a copy of your application, and you get a nice note back saying your patent application has now been classified for national security reasons and you're no longer allowed to make and sell it. I'm picking this example because it happened in the late 1970s. It was probably some analog scrambler, and would have probably violated FCC rules anyway, but it did get classified. Or suppose you publish a paper on your Really Spiffy Algorithm and then file a patent application. Since it's been published, they can't gain anything by classifying it, though you can't get patents in most countries other than the US, where patent laws are different. Obviously a system of classified patents would be highly bogus ""You can't sell that widget, because there's a classified patent on it. You're not allowed to see the patent, or know who owns the design, so just give us all your money and work in progress and maybe we won't throw you in jail for espionage."" Some countries might have that kind of system :-(, but we don't have that here. Quite. Yet. -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 1553,11,"From: hagberg@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (HAGBERG JR, D. J.) Subject: Clipper and Ranting Libertarians Keywords: clipper clinton rant rave libertarians Distribution: usa,local Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: violet.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 I would think that you could reduce the defense of using non-clipper based encryption technologies to defending freedom of expression (IE, free speech). That you have to right to express whatever you want in whatever form your little heart desires so long as you do not impinge on the rights of others. Encrypted text/sound/video is just another form of expression of that particular text/sound/video. Just like digitized sound is another means of expression of sound -- streams of 100100101111 instead of continuous waveforms. Also, it shouldn't be up to the government at all. Encryption _Standards_ can be decided upon by Independent Standards Orgainizations (apologies for the acronym). One can note how well this has worked with ISO and the Metric System, SAE, etc. Independent entities or consortia of people/industries in that particular area are far more qualified to set standards than any One government agency. Consider for example what the Ascii character set would have looked like if it was decided by the government. I hope this helps folks to formulate their defenses. I'm still working on mine and hope to be faxing my congressmen soon... -=- D. J. Hagberg -=- hagberg@ccit.arizona.edu -=- finger ^ for Info and PGP Public Key " 1554,18,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 84 In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: > [purile babble deleted] Well, some form of guaranteed health care isn't a bad idea, but, yah, I'm a bit worried of a gubnint-run HMO myself. I'd much rather have something like Canada has [and I'll *belt* anyone who tells me to move to Canada :)], but since people will yell and scream ""NO!!! NOT ONE LIKE CANADA HAS!!!"", we're probably all screwed. > BROMEISTER PREDICTED: > > "" $1,000 per middle class taxpayer in NEW TAXES "" > > "" A NATIONAL SALES TAX "" Impressive. Let the ""GREAT CHUCKMEISTER"" make a couple predictions, if you will: 1. The sun will rise tomorrow. 2. Rush will bash Clinton on his next show. 3. I will turn out to be Clinton's love child. Chances are, I'll get at least one of those right, if I'm lucky. I may even get two. > Now, for more AAMMMAAAAZZZZZZIINNNNGGGGG Predictions! > > i) The NST will be raised from 3% to 5% by 1996. > Ooops. They ALREADY DID it. > > Okay, then. The NST will be raised from 5% to 7% by 1996. Can't argue with you there. Once the gubnint has its hands in yer pocket, they just can't help but feel around a bit.... > ii) Unemployment will rise! Oh, no SH**?! You mean, our weakened economy will collapse in the face of all this gubnint tax-and-spending, and everyone will be in the handout line? You're a GENIUS!! > iii) Tax revenues will decline. Deficit will increase! > We'll get another DEFICIT REDUCTION PACKAGE by 1997! > Everyone will DANCE AND SING! Deficit reduction. Spending cuts via fee increases? > To paraphrase Hilary Clinton - "" I will not raise taxes on > the middle class to pay for my programs "" > > To paraphrase Bill Clinton - "" I will not raise taxes on > the middle class to pay for my programs "" No, any first-year PoliSci major will tell you that the Prez *never* raises taxes. Congress does it. All those who voted the Clinton ticket get to wear this *new* label..... +----------------+ | SUCKA! | | | | Made in USA | +----------------+ Hook, line, and sinker! *chuckle* cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. " 1555,8,"From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK. Lines: 4 I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered, (basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!). Save your pennies... buy the 900 :) " 1556,7,"From: kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Nntp-Posting-Host: black Reply-To: kissane@rtsg.mot.com (John G. Kissane) Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 7 As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering..... -- ___________________________________________________________________ ____/| John Kissane | Motorola Ireland Ltd., | \'o.O' UUCP : ..uunet!motcid!glas!kissanej | Mahon Industrial Estate, | =() ()= Internet: kissanej@glas.rtsg.mot.com | Blackrock, Cork, Ireland | U " 1557,7,"From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) Subject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall Organization: Temple University Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: picasso.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails) (balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com) wrote: : From: OPDBS@vm.cc.latech.edu : Subject: Taurus/Sable rotor recall : My '92 Taurus GL with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp. : Apparently they HAVEN'T fixed the problem yet. But try convincing the Ford : service person to fix it for free...Right!!! : Tony Gads, I have heard so many horror stories with Taurus and Sable cars! I thought these were premium American automobiles. The way they sell, you'd think so. Is Ford really no better than in the late '70s when it was turning out tin cans like the Granada and the Fairmount? Which would you get, a Taurus or a Camry or Accord? John zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu zorro@astro.ocis.temple.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 1558,2,"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Operating system? Article-I.D.: agate.1pr6rm$t7f Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >Well, you may think that, but you are wrong. Ah... The joys of networking. I just hope that you forgot the :-> >If you don't like the file manager, DON'T use it! I don't. I use NDW. >I like the more modular nature of Windoze. If you like things to be modular, I think you would love System 7. Instead of adding a line to your autoexec.bat, you just drop the icon into the extensions folder. >Just because one has had ignorance sold to one by the evil >fruit empire, one is not forbidden to learn about one's file >system below the level of the GUI. I'm still working on that one :-/ " 1559,8,"From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller) Subject: airhorns on an FJ1100 review Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii Lines: 44 For those of you who are thinking about fiamms, you might also want to think about airhorns. I just installed a set of Bosch air horns ordered from Dennis Kirk (pg. 282 of the latest catalog) on my '85 FJ1100. They are rated at 93db at 7 meters. I installed them using 10 gage wire from the battery to the relay to the compressor to ground. My stock horn connectors fit the relay pins just fine. I soldered the connections to the relay and compressor, and used a crimp type battery connector and an inline 10amp fuse/connector from NAPA. I installed the compressor just forward of the fuse box in the front fairing by tie wrapping between the steering head frame and the black steel tube frame used to support the front fairing. You have to remove the front fairing to do this, but it fits outside of the frame but inside the fairing on the two vertical supports just in front of the fuses. Depending how tight your fairing follows the frame, you should be able to fit it somewhere in the fairing. The compressor is about 2"" in diameter and about 5"" long. The relay mounted on the front of the steering head frame (it is small so there should be plenty of good places for it. I found a perfect place for the horns that required only tie wraps to mount. The horns fit inside the front fairing/frame and stick out on either side just in front of the air scoops, but behind the turn signals. The back of the horns point back towards the center of the bike and come real close to where the gas tank connects to the front part of the frame. There is just enough room to the outside to allow full lock to lock clearance, and there are nice cut outs in the frame for the back of the horn to go into. The short horn is even with the fairing, and the long one sticks out about an inch or so, but it is really not that noticable unless you look closely. They end up pointing down slightly and maybe 30 degrees from straight ahead (perfect for those cagers trying to change lanes into you). If you have any other questions about the mounting, email, and I can try to explain better. If your bike is not red, then you may want to paint them first. How do they work you ask? They are very, very, very *LOUD*. They sound more like a european sports car than a truck, but a vast improvement over stock. I have used them at least daily since installing them, and the 10 amp fuse has not blown yet (although, the duration of the horn blasts have been short). I've repeatedly scared the shit out of my friends with them, even though they know that I have the horns, they still jump. They are perfect for keeping the pedestrians on the sidewalk. The bottom line is they work, are loud enough to cause pain and suffering to those stupid lane changing cages (as well as take a few years off their lives) and are relatively easy to install on the FJ. YMMV. -TJK '85 FJ1100 with ""GET OUT OF MY WAY"" horns. ""That looks like a suit you'd fight a fire in"" -comment about the Aerostich " 1560,2,"Subject: Re: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? From: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson) Lines: 32 In <1993Apr12.154418.14463@cimlinc.uucp> bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) writes: >Hello, > > I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have >come across a few that look good: > Zapp 1.1 from Inmark > Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software > C++/Views from Liant > Win++ from Blaise >Some considerations I'm using: > Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and >intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very >important. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows >programming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with >the native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the >sake of changing the API, are valuable. The Microsoft Founation classes (afx) that come with C/C++ 7.0 (and Visual C++) are very good, they already have a version for NT, it comes with source code, and is very close to the navtive API. It also as some classes to manage data structures... ...Stefan -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Olson Mail: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz Kindness in giving creates love. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 1561,17,"From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 66 In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>>I must say I was appalled by the American Jewish Council's open letter. >>>America is not the world's policeman. We cannot and should not take it upon >>>ourselves to solve the problems of the entire world. America's young men and >>>women should not be sent to Yugoslavia, period. If people feel strongly >>>enough, let them go as individuals to fight alongside the butchers of their >>>choice. >>We have a volunteer army. The argument you gave only applies if we have a >>draft. >Huh? Sorry, I misread your remark about young men and women. (Though I am now unsure what that sentence does mean.) >>Furthermore, people do not become butchers by _being_ ""ethnic >>cleansed"". Or do you automatically call them butchers because they are Muslim? >I am disappointed in your logic, especially coming from a stalwart of >sci.skeptic. You implied that anyone who wants to send troops to Bosnia wants to do so to help the ""butchers of their choice"". Since the primary targets of help are Muslim victims of ""ethnic cleansing"", you imply that such Muslim victims are butchers. >1) People become butchers by butchering. There have been atrocities on all >sides. This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that victims do not exist. Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans? >These people have been butchering each other for centuries. When one >side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop. Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not be ""ethnic cleansed"". The Serbians want to ""ethnic cleanse"" the Muslims. It is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the things that the two sides want are not equivalent. >2) Quite an impressive leap of reasoning to assume that I am so racist as to >call someone a butcher because they are Muslim. In fact, I think on the >contrary, the media fixation on this war, as opposed to the dozens upon dozens >of civil wars which have been fought in the recent past is because these are >white people, in Europe. When atrocities occur in the Third World, there is >not as much news coverage, and not nearly the same level of outrage. I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) " 1562,8,"From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig) Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 In Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> ""behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)"" says: > For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion, > what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe > coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon. > (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official > Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...) > > Thanks, > -- > Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady > behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike > Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name > agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. > I thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would like to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add). " 1563,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 44 In article , gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > In article <15377@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > #But what came out, > #in much lower profile reporting, was that the ""victim"" was a > #prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the false > #accusation. > > There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the > defense merely alledged that she was. Even Clayton knows the > difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn't know the difference. Evidence given for her prostitute status, besides the admittedly questionable claim of the man on trial included: 1. Prior employment in a number of massage parlors, with women who claimed that she worked as a prostitute; 2. Walking around a truck stop at 4:00 AM wearing a lace miniskirt, a halter top, and no underwear of any sort; 3. Not having a purse or other I.D. with her. Not enough to convict her, but enough to create reasonable doubt whether a rape actually took place, or theft of services. Are you just ignorant, or lying again? > #the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the > #Marines were engaged in self-defense. > > No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder > on proof. A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines: > > # New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in > #the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving the > #Marines acted to cause injury. The accounts on the evening news indicated that they claimed self- defense, and the judge agreed that they were so operating. > -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 1564,2,"From: dshanks@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Shanks) Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar Driver for v3.1 X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 In article <116005@bu.edu> rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee) writes: >I am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond >Speedstar 1MB video card. The Diamond BBS has these. Their 2400 baud BBS phone number is (408) 730-1100. Their 9600 baud BBS phone number is (408) 524-9335. Sorry, I don't know of any FTP site that has these (though I'd be surprised if there wasn't one). " 1565,12,"From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02 Lines: 26 dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes: > Hi there, > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. > > -Dave > dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu > Contact Chris Arthur at Chris_Arthur@pennies.stratus.com He restores lots of old video and arcade games and knows where to get parts. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- -------------------------- " 1566,13,"From: davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) Subject: Candida Albicans: what is it? Originator: davpa@obel11 Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Linkoping Lines: 11 Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? Thanks. -- David Partain | davpa@ida.liu.se IDA, University of Link\""oping | work phone: +46 (013) 28 26 08 S-581 83 Link\""oping, Sweden | telefax: +46 (013) 28 26 66 " 1567,17,"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Originator: hasan@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 51 In article <1993Apr5.202800.27705@wam.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes: |> In article ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA |> (Ilyess Bdira) writes: |> > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many |> > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more |> > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? |> G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the |> Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab |> absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase |> from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the |> partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of |> defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. |> |> *** |> > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of |> > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? |> First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the |> idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since, however, I agree with those who |> claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West |> bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is very funny. Anyway, suppose that in fact israel didnot ATTACK jordan till jordan attacked israel. Now, how do you explain the attack on Syria in 1967, Syria didnot enter the war with israel till the 4th day . By the way it is funny that you are implying that the reason behind 1967 by israel was only to capture Sinai, egypt ! |> to attack Israel, which was a poor move, seeing as how the Israelis |> promptly kicked his butt. The territory is therefore forefeit. Retaining |> possession of ALL of the West bank is not desirable, but it beats |> national suicide for the Israelis. Put another way, one could ask why it |> is that so many Palestinians seem to think that Tel-Aviv belongs to them |> and the future state of Palestine. As long as this state of affairs |> continues, it seems that to give the Palestinians a place from which they |> can launch attacks on Jews is a real poor idea. Giving up the entire West |> Bank would be idiotic froma security standpoint. In addition, there is |> the small matter of Jerusalem, which is considered to be part of the West |> Bank. The chances of the Israelis giving up Jerusalem are nil. Even |> leftists who think Yasser is a really cool dude, like Yossi Sarid, aren't |> going to propose giving up Jerusalem. If he did, he'd get run out of town |> on a rail. |> |> |> chag sameach! |> jeff " 1568,15,"From: dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Hell Lines: 35 In article , vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote: > > ""We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His > truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance > of those absolutes."" Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e. regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance? They sound like one and the same to me. And nearly every time I meet a christian (or for that matter, any other theist) who tries to convert me, I find this proven over and over again. I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words Unfaithfully yours, Pixie p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow it blindly? Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? I defy any theist to reply. " 1569,17,"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 31 In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Anas Omran writes: [ANAS] There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report [ANAS] on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the [ANAS] Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis [ANAS] used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. [ANAS] So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. [ANAS] They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in [ANAS] Palestine. Bring me one case where Israeli Soldiers deliberately killed a ""neutral reporter"". This is another one of your wet dreams. Unlike many countries, Israel does allow reporters in and out of the O.T. That is what the problem is. If Israel were a country like China, then nothing would transpire from what is happening in the O.T. But there seems to be a proliferation of journalists in Israel always trying to show how evil the Israeli monster is. Arab countries don't allow journalists anywhere, we have yet to hear about the massacres of Kurds, the destruction and annihilation of Hama, the killings of moslem fundamentalists in mosques in Egypt and Algeria etc... Why is it we only get state reports? How accurate are they? Anas, go give a lesson of freedom of speech to your Arab bretheren before telling us what to do. Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. " 1570,3,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : uzun@netcom.com (William Roger Uzun) writes: : >I have a SoundBlaster board in a 486-SX PC, and I have it : >jumpered to IRQ 7, port 220h. Will this conflict with my : >parallel port? I just have an IDE controller, a multi-IO board : >with 2ser, 1Par port and a VGA board. Should I choose : >another IRQ besides 7? Or is IRQ 7 safe to use on 486 Motherboards? : Recently I was adding a modem to my computer, and I noticed that LPT1 uses : IRQ-7 and so does my SB card (220h). I've never had a problem, but I'm : just wondering why not. I thought this would cause a conflict. I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. Thanks -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 1571,7,"From: hovnania@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Paul Hovnanian) Subject: Re: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 30 >: In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to >: check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price. >: The Toyota dealer told me it's a ""cult car"". >: If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there >: must be something really extraordinary about it. >: So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me. >: >: -- >: Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com >: IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020 Based on my experience with a '79 FJ40 ( the hard-top jeep-style model ) I would definitely give a new model consideration if I were in the market. The older models are VERY well built. Unless Toyota lost its mind, I would assume, until proven otherwise, that the newer models have inherited some if not all of the qualities of their ancestors. Two major differences in the running gear (that I'm aware of) need study. My '79 has a solid front axle housing whereas the newer models have independant front suspension. The solid axle is theoretically stronger and more reliable than the newer model, but only experience will tell. The independant front suspension is, no doubt, a compromise made to satisfy the typical user, who will never need a real utility vehicle. The second difference is the type of transfer case used on the newer models. I'm not sure, but I think Tioyota went to a full-time 4WD or all-wheel drive system. The older Landcruisers have a ""lock-up"" type. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Paul Hovnanian hovnania@atc.boeing.com [Std disclaimers apply] " 1572,4,"Subject: Re: Mac OS on a 486!!! From: Keith Whitehead X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version Lines: 45 In article , you write: > > hillman (hillman@plk.af.mil) wrote: > : deathbird+@CMU.EDU (Donpaul C. Stephens) > : > : kind of slated wouldn't you say?) Who is going to throw all that to the > : side and get the Mac OS for 486??? Not Quite the point to be considdered here! Fact: If/When Apple release system 7 (or what ever is current at the time of release) then you will see shortly afterwards Apple no longer producing Hardware...Look at Next with their NextStep486 to see what happens. Who is going to pay Apples Prices when they can get the same thing cheaper else where! (Heck we can get a Sun Workstation cheaper than a Quadra, and infact we have a number of times!!!, it ALL comes down to $$$$) > : If Apple released this before windows 3.0 was released I'd be behind them, > : they missed the boat. So why is Apple continued development. Will it > : support the P5 to its fullest capabilities? Run faster than Windows? It > : must do something significantly better than Windows and OS2 to warrent > : being released. No the continued develeopment is because there is becomming less and less profit in Hardware, So the Next Step (no pun intended...well sort of), is to make the money in software (look at Microsoft if you think it can't happen!), after all you can sell multiple pieces of software to ONE hardware platform. As you also said Windows is a nightmare for programmers, so will the temptation to sell system 7 to a couple of MILLION dos users be too much for Apple! (50 million copies @ $100 is SERIOUS money!). -- ========================================================================== : Sir@office.acme.gen.nz : : : : Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for! : ========================================================================== " 1573,14,"From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 31 Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes: >In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >>Now, Space Marketing >>What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that >>it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). >I can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant >effect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day, >but nobody complains about that. Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only When I was at the Texas Star Party a few years ago, the sky was so dark that Venus did, indeed, cause light pollution until it set. Even if the billboard were dark it could cause a problem. Imagine observing an object and halfway through your run, your object was occulted! I would guess that most of the people stating positive opinions are not fanatically serious observers. It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be. George Krumins -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | George Krumins | | gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | " 1574,10,"From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) Subject: Re: ""Give Blood"" Tee Shirts Article-I.D.: jethro.1pqkfp$d96 Reply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM Distribution: world Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com >The shirts are believe or not from a Bob Probert line of clothes. >The whole shirt says ""Give Blood - Fight Probie"". Cool. They sound like a cult classic. Can someone post a address or phone # of a store that sells these? Thanks, -jake. " 1575,18,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 323 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.213436.1164@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > >|>In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: >|>> >|>>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >|>> >|>>Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore >|>>difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. >|> >|> There are a couple of ways to look at them. One is, ""We want >|>you to support this Constitution, so we'll say anything that we think >|>will appeal to you,"" or the more straightforward, ""This is why we think >|>what we've suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."" >|> >|> You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation. > >The point is that they did not make pains to point out where the consitution >may have been aginst the new yorker's interests. Also they did not want >to raise opposition by basing their advocacy on unpopular principles. Horrors, appealing to popular principles. Can we perhaps as the question of whether the Constitution might have been written to appeal to the principles, rather than, as you appear to believe, it was written with something else in mind and ""propoganda"" put out by its supporters. But let's be honest about something, here. When was the last time you brought up all the valid points against your own arguments? Or are they simply propogranda? We can't know what Phill *really* means because he's obviously using arguments designed to convince. >|> Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and >|>probably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson's democratic impules. >|>But what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions >|>on the government if we don't consider what they wrote about the >|>government? > >I don't propose that any means exists for determining their true opinions. >Thus their true opinions died with them and are of little help today. > >Their opinions have not the slightest bearing on the matter though, only their >arguments. These are true or false regardless of who said them or why. If they're true or false, regardles of why they were said, why on earth did you make a point of calling them ""propogranda?"" That would seem to be irrelevent. >The >difficulty that most US posters seem to have is in considering that their >arguments may have been flawed or no longer apply to modern societies. Oh, I have no argument with questioning them. I don't believe they no longer apply, but that's because I think most of them were good arguments. I'm not entirely happy about the situation, because they were obviously only applied to a minority of the time, but I don't think that alone is sufficient to invalidate them. >If they were alive today the one opinion we could count upon these men to >express is that a careful study of the mechanisms of government is necessary >and that an ongoing improvement of the same is required. They gave their >opinions in certain areas and have been proved right. In other areas they >got it wrong. They ensured that there was a mechanism to adapt and improve >the consititution. this can only happen if there is a willingness to accept that >the structural problems within the US political system may require >constitutional change as a solution. Since the U.S. constitution is the basis for the U.S. political system, most changes in it would require Constitutional change. In this particular case, however the fillibuster is a matter of procedure and tradition. It only *should* have been made part of the Constitution. :-) >|> If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than >|>we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also. >|>(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much >|>greater power than did the American system). > >In principle no, in practice yes. In principle no? That they had less power of that they should have had less power? >The British government today is theoreticaly >dependent on the will of the Monarch. By convention any monarch seeking to >exercise that power is deposed. The subtly is that the Prime Minister is >not able to identify their politics with the national interest in the same >manner that US Presidents regularly do. Phill, we're discusing the power of legislative houses. While the Prime Minister *is* member of Parliament, he is more analgous (although badly) to the U.S. President. Now, please explain to me how the U.S. House of Representatives is ""in principle"" more powerful than the House of Lords (or the Senate) but in practice is less. Are you suggesting that the writers of the Constitution *really* intended for them to be more powerful, but gosh darn the thing was ratified before they realized they'd forgotten to put those extra restrictions on the Senate in? >|> I disagree. The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to >|>handle less than it has demanded that it handle. As somebody in Washington >|>put it (whose name I forget), ""Congress has become everybody's city >|>council."" > >One reason for that is that at every level the government is rendered unable >to come to decisions. These decisions are pushed up to the next higher level >instead. Not at all. As any entry level political science course will tell you, people who want laws implemented will always choose the level of government to ""attack"" which presents them with the best chance of getting what they want. With national ""interest groups"" it is simply a very rational thing to do to want the Federal government to enact a law rather than the states. Less people to persuade, and less ""contributions"" to make. Why do those concerned about abortion primarily concentrate at the Federal level? Simply because if they win that battle all the little state battlefields are won by extension. The same extends to insurance, medicine, and most other questions. Local government has not ""failed"" in that it hasn't done what it should, but that it is dominated by local interests. Thus non-local interests who want localities to abide by their rules can't get their rules past the local government. Thus, since they've got more clout, only in the wrong place, they appeal to the next higher level because it can impose its will on the lower. I mean, let's get real here. Do we *really* need the Congres of the United States deciding that x traffice light should be on thus- and such pattern? Or that *carjacking* needs to be a federal as opposed to a local crime? The more people want the more Congress will take power to ""sell"" it to them for their votes. I don't think the rise of ""special interests"" is coincidence with the increased power of Congress. >|> Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than >|>enough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its >|>original jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy. > >If they were to start from a social welfare model instead of the current >""no state subsidy motto"" they would be better placed. As it is there is >plenty of state money being handed out. The problem is that it is >distributed on the basis of power in congress and not on the basis of >actual need. Bingo. The higher up the governmental ladder the less actual need matters, because political power can be concentrated at higher levels, while people with less cloud only find themselves reduced to in effectiveness. >In order to set up a school project in New York state you have to pay off the >other 49 states with pork - defense contracts, agricultural subsidies etc. >Or to be precise 30 of the states since you need 60 to beat the filibuster. Then why not simply leave New York's education to New York? I remain unconcinved that there is any state in the Union which is not capable of educating its own children if that's what they want to do. And if you leave it to them, you only have to worry about the ""pork"" in that state. And since industries can't concentrate their political power and wealth, rather they must divide it among the states to try and get what they want, individual voices have more relative impact. The problem with the fillibuster is not that you must ""buy off"" states, but that the Congress has acquired too much power to sell pork. >|> It is not a case of the system of government they created failing, >|>but that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically >|>wanted to avoid. Namely, a concentration of power. It would seem >|>then that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either >|>House in some attempt to grease the wheels. All you'll get then is >|>a system which moves quicker to do stupid things. It would make more >|>sense to make more decisions at a local level. > >No, you have to break the machine free of seizure before you can redirect it. But why on earth should we want to redirect it? You said yourself that you have to sell pork to get things through Congress. If Congres has less authority to sell pork and retains its authority to enact national legislation within its granted jurisdiction, the pork problem is significantly reduced. >The current blocks on power simply absolve congress of any responsibility >to come to a decision. The current blocks essentially state that inaction is preferable to action, thus it the system is weighted against action. Considering the government the usually the institution with the sole power to enforce its decisions by force, I consider bias against making those decisions a good thing. >Pushing the decisions lower in the pyramid won't >work unless the lower levels are less corrupt. In most cases they are worse, >not better. The difference with the lower pyramid is that a) they have more legal, legitimate authority in most matters under our Constitution than the federal government, and b) at those lower levels power is harder to concentrate. And c) you get the benefit of not imposing new deicisons on everybody at once. You get to see them tried out without a national decision. Congressional action usually treats the entire country as a whole, yet even with similar problems in different areas, different solutions may be called for. And while I often don't agree with the decisions my local and state reps make, at least I have a better option of going to the city council and shooting my mouth off. I'd much rather the majority of laws be made by accessible people who hang around and end up having to put up with them rather than somebody far off in Washington with half a million or more constituents. I'm curious what you base your assumption that lower levels are more corrupt. >|> I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were >|>placed on the veto. It could just as easily have been read as a means >|>to put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive's >|>opinion) policies. > >Since we were arguing from the Federalist papers I would point to them. Phill, *you* brought up the Federalist papers. We were arguing the fillibuster and whether or not a minority of Senators should be allowed to hold up a bill. You claimed the Senate was suppose to be a far less powerful House, and I contended there was nothing in the Constitution or other writings which indicated this. Which was when you brought up that we can't decide what the founders wanted based on the Federalist papers. You argued against them, I never argued from them. I have primarily referred to the Constitution, which places only very small restrictions on the Senate than for the House. >The >US constitution gives almost no reasoning as to how it should work. The >only part where a reason is given is the right to bear arms ammendment where >the well regulated militia justification is ambiguous. The U.S. Constitution is a nuts-and-bolts document. The Delcaration of Independence was the high-brow reasoning. (There are a couple of other examples, though, such as the reasoning for the power to tax, and the reasoning for the power to grant permits, both in Article I, Section 8.) >That the veto was meant to be an exceptional measure follows from the >fact of the senate. If the President was meant to revise legislation then >there would be three chambers of the legislature, not two. Furthermore >the separation of powers would have been much less distinct. To a certain extend I do believe the veto has become something it wasn't intended. However, I also believe it is inevitable considering the Congress' own abuse of their power to make bills say whatever they want them to say. Unlike most people I think we shouldn't be worrying about the veto, which is fine, but of the problem in Congress which almost necessitates its abuse. >|> There is no limit in the Constitution to the President's veto power >|>regarding what a bill is for. Previous Presidents have used the veto >|>for any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their >|>agenda. I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President >|>who abused vetos. > >He has the record for vetos. *BUSH?* Phill, that's absurd. Bush had *37* vetos, one of which was over-ridden. Go read up on FDR if you think that's anything resembling a record. >|> Why is it not a reasonable restriction? Because 51 Senators >|>is the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based? If 41 Senators >|>feel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and >|>fillibuster isn't that *enough* to indicate there's a sufficient question >|>as to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it? > >Up to a point, the fact is though that when the majority are opposed by >a minority the minority should not be allowed to win by default. Why not? What is inherently wrong with biasing the system against action? Historically governemnt action in the U.S. when dealing with issues with a bare minority and a large minority have not been successful. When you're in a position of imposing federal power on diverse people, why should the federal government not have to got through something more than a bare majority >|> Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which >|>covers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living >|>in radically different conditions? Why *shouldn't* a super-majority >|>be required? > >Because the bill at issue is a money bill relating to a short term proposal. Now we're switching from a general question of a fillibuster to a specific bill. I don't see how it make a difference. >It is not a change in the law where a presupposition in favour of the >status quo is arguable. Sure it's arguable. Theyr'e *arguing* it. However, requiring 60% to bring it to a vote ensures that they'll have to have a *good* argument. Something that isn't based solely on party lines. >|> Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power >|>to ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored. I do not >|>see this as a positive thing. And for all that I'm sure the Republicans >|>are looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they've got some legitimate >|>objections to the legislation in question. > >So instead you consider a system under which the minority automatically win >to be superior? No, I am completely happy with a system which requires a minority for *action*. Since U.S. history is a history of carving up population groups and implementing piece-meal on minorities, I feel minorities should have sufficent clout to prevent action they feel strongly enough about. And 41% is hardly a tiny minority. I don't advocate the minority being capable of initiating actionm but I see no problem with biasing the *federal* system against action. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 1576,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Quadra 700 Memory Install FAQ Organization: University of Washington Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Summary: Instructions for Quadra 700 memory installation Keywords: memory,quadra,700,install This is turning into a FAQ Here is how to violate your Quadra 700 warranty and install your own memory. 1) Insert usual disclaimer here 2) Remove the top lid of the machine. You will see the floppy disk and hard drive mounted in a plastic tower. Follow the usual anti-static precautions and of course make sure the machine is OFF when you do this. Unplug the wall and monitor power supply cords from the back of the mac. 3) Remove the power supply by pulling the plastic interlocking tab on the tower forward and simultaneously pulling the power supply straight up. The tab is a piece of plastic from the left posterior aspect of the tower which extends downward to hook on to the power supply. You may also feel a horseshoe shaped piece at the right portion of the power supply. Leave that alone. The plastic tab from the tower is all you need release. 4) Look at the rear of the tower assembly. You will see the flat ribbon SCSI connector to the hard drive, a power cable and a flat ribbon cable leading to the floppy drive. Disconnect all these from the motherboard. The hard drive power cable connector has a tab which must be squeezed to release it. 5) Unplug the drive activity LED from its clear plastic mount 6) Look down the posterior, cylindrical section of the plastic tower. A phillips head screw is at the base. Remove it, taking care not to drop it into the case. A bit of gummy glue on your screwdriver is helpful here. 7) Remove the tower assembly by pulling medially the plastic tab on the right side of the tower. This tab prevents the tower from sliding posteriorly. Slide the entire tower assembly 1 cm posteriorly then lift the tower assembly straight up and out of the case. 8) Congratulations, you have now gained access to your machine's SIMM slots. 9) The six big slots are for VRAM. One usually must install all six to gain useful video modes. All SIMMS (RAM or VRAM) installed with their chips facing the front of the motherboard. The four smaller sockets in front are for RAM SIMMS. Install SIMMS in sets of four into these sockets. Be sure you seat the SIMMS squarely and firmly into a fully upright position. 10) Reinstall the tower assembly by first placing the right wall of the tower against the right wall of the case with the tower assembly about 1 cm posterior of its intended position. Lower the tower assembly into place while maintaining contact with the right wall of the case. Once fully down, slide the tower assembly anteriorly until it clicks into place. 11) Reconnect the motherboard ends of the cables. DONT'T FORGET THE FLOPPY DRIVE CABLE. 12) Replace the phillips head screw 13) Drop the power supply straight down into place until it clicks in. 14) Plug the hard drive activity light back into its clear plastic mount Guy Kuo " 1577,0,"Subject: A word of advice From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Summary: was Re: Yeah, Right Lines: 14 In article <65882@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: > >I've said enough times that there is no ""alternative"" that should think you >might have caught on by now. And there is no ""alternative"", but the point >is, ""rationality"" isn't an alternative either. The problems of metaphysical >and religious knowledge are unsolvable-- or I should say, humans cannot >solve them. How does that saying go: Those who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it. Jim -- Have you washed your brain today? " 1578,7,"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic Article-I.D.: engr.Apr19.045221.19525 Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy. it switches to ""sport"" mode when the electronics figure it, not when the driver sets the switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO. so what does ""sport"" mode entail? several things: 1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy) 2) delayed upshifts. (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the low gear. this is handy if you are charging through corners and would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there's another curve approaching) 3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is depressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal. modern electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode. this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about to turn red. my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough. also, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage than a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to use for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an inattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55/65 in 4th gear (of a 5 speed)? how many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best gear to use is for every conceivable situation? i'm sure there will be some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with all possible scenario/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do better. i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear, low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high revs and small throttle opening. the explanation is quite simple if one sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight. eliot " 1579,11,"From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au In article <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: >The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and >tell people, you are likely to go to jail. I don't find this a credible argument, for two reasons. One you have supplied below: unless I care about entering the USA at any time in the future (eg. the Taiwanese backyard cloners - who BTW have been known to decap custom silicon and reproduce it on daughterboards when pirating high-profit arcade machines and the like - who wouldn't care less), I am not going to care much about US confidentiality, am I? Only people like the real me, who does care about travelling to various countries for business reasons, will sit up and follow laws like this, but I would contend that we're not the main threat. I also have grave doubts whether an algorythm widely distributed in silicon could possibly be called ""classified."" It's like handing out military secrets to the whole world in envelopes marked ""don't open me."" I can imagine several credible defences which could be employed if it came to a trial. One would be the stupidity of the government's actions. >Perhaps some foreign governments or corporations could help us out by >cracking the system outside the USA. The US government could probably >stop importation of clone hardware, but a software implementation >should be practical. Amusing thought: could they have employed an algorythm which is infeasable for a fast software implementation, but which is easy in custom hardware? In DES, the extensive use of permutation tables (trivial in hardware: you just swap bus lines), but relatively slow in software have had a big effect on the speed difference between hardware and software implementations of that cipher (indeed, I suspect that Lucifer's designers were well aware that it would be, and approved.) Certain algorythms (usually parallel search algorythms) can be very slow in software, yet can fly in custom hardware. I have no proof of their employment in Clipper -- it is pure conjecture. However, as a software implementation of this cipher is something that its designers would have been trying to avoid at all costs, then the inclusion of such techniques seems credible. Hmmm... I also wonder what Intergraph thinks about the use of the name ""Clipper"" for this device. :) -- Ian Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400 Office of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433 Macquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420 Australia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au. " 1580,16,"From: paale@stud.cs.uit.no (Paal Ellingsen) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 17 In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com>, Jim De Arras writes: |> Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. Humans died |> yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the actions |> they did. That is the undeniable truth. ...the question is: for how long? Even if the FBI had done nothing, I guess the BDs would have committed suicide, but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them the choice between sucide or surrender. The BDs was warned in beforehand about the FBI action. They HAD the chance to surrender and get a fair trial. No matter who started the fire, the BDs were responsible for 80+ peole dying. No one else. -- ============================================================================ Paal Ellingsen | Borgensvingen 67/102 | Tlf.: 083 50933 paale@stud.cs.uit.no | 9100 Kvaloeysletta | DATA = Dobbelt Arbeid Til Alle ============================================================================ " 1581,17,"From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Nntp-Posting-Host: next03wor.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 37 In article ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes: > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. *** > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since, however, I agree with those who claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion to attack Israel, which was a poor move, seeing as how the Israelis promptly kicked his butt. The territory is therefore forefeit. Retaining possession of ALL of the West bank is not desirable, but it beats national suicide for the Israelis. Put another way, one could ask why it is that so many Palestinians seem to think that Tel-Aviv belongs to them and the future state of Palestine. As long as this state of affairs continues, it seems that to give the Palestinians a place from which they can launch attacks on Jews is a real poor idea. Giving up the entire West Bank would be idiotic froma security standpoint. In addition, there is the small matter of Jerusalem, which is considered to be part of the West Bank. The chances of the Israelis giving up Jerusalem are nil. Even leftists who think Yasser is a really cool dude, like Yossi Sarid, aren't going to propose giving up Jerusalem. If he did, he'd get run out of town on a rail. chag sameach! jeff " 1582,6,"From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal ) Subject: AMIGA Software For Sale!! Organization: Edgewood Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil I have the following Amiga software for sale: ProVideo GOLD $50 AmigaVision $25 B.E.S.T. Plan It! $10 spreadsheet (still in shrinkwrap) SuperBack $10 (hard drive backup) Certificate Maker $10 Add s&h to the above and its yours...email me at the address listed below: thanx, -Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil " 1583,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade Distribution: na Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 56 In article , chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes: > >> In article <15230@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # ## #I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a # ## #clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering # ## #a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice # ## #doesn't have a grain of truth to it. # # #In article Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins >left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Unless they have been taught to ""neck rein"". Then the left rein is brought to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right. Equestrian counter steering? " 1585,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Clinton caves in: reduces jobs bill Summary: Too good to be true, evidently. Organization: ACME Products Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr16.131615.8661@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > Clinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill. > > Word is he's paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for > creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money). > > Chalk one up for holding the line on spending. It seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to cut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs. Hmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our congresspersons. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 1586,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 46 >>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >>-- > >Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality >uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all >homosexual and bisexual men. Only the most comprehensive survey on sexuality in 50 years. > It would seem more logical to say that since >the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity >larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. > Chance and size have nothing in common on the multimillion number scale we are talking about. >Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. > >So... whose promiscuous? > Nobody said that you were. Chill. >Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because >someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... Well said. >Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... > Actually, the Kinsley Report in 1947(or 48?) used a high percentage of prisoners so........... Ryan " 1587,2,"From: swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Ope Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 24 In article <1pr6r2$t7c@agate.berkeley.edu> neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) writes: > >Apparently not. Many people complain about the confusion that >results from the filemanager/progman split. It's just a basic >flaw. > I have one thing to say-- why does everyone say that spliting them up is such a bad thing? I actually like my program launcher and file manager do be seperate.. it make things easier to figure out.. I mean, take a look at OS/2's wps... (no flames!).. I personally hate it cause I just have too much trouble figuring out how to do simple things like file copy.. and don't say ""just drag the icon!"".. Cause I hate icons in the first place. I have too much trouble telling what all those little push buttons mean. I want ""F""ile ""C""opy etc.. although I know I'm in the minority. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- swyatt@brahms.udel.edu !!! no disclaimer...I blame everything on someone else ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1588,9,"From: CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) Subject: Lots of runs Nntp-Posting-Host: ua1vm.ua.edu Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa Lines: 4 I have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games (at least the NL has). I believe one reason are the expansion teams. Any thoughts? Charles " 1589,15,"From: littlejs@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Jeffrey S Little) Subject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON? Reply-To: littlejs@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Jeffrey S Little) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 38 In article JBUDDENBERG@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Jimmy Buddenberg) writes: > > Hello all. We are doing a bible study (at my college) on Revelations. We > have been doing pretty good as far as getting some sort of reasonable > interpretation. We are now on chapters 17 and 18 which talk about the > woman on the beast and the fall of Babylon. I believe the beast is the > Antichrist (some may differ but it seems obvious) and the woman represents > Babylon which stands for Rome or the Roman Catholic Church. What are some > views on this interpretation? Is the falling Babylon in chapter 18 the same > Babylon in as in chapter 17? The Catholic church? > Hate to step on toes. > thanks An interesting interpretation of Revelation 17 and 18 has been given by evangelist David Wilkerson. I am not saying that I totally agree with his interpretation, but it is certainly believable and good food for thought. He interprets the Babylon of Revelation 17-18 as being none other than the good old U. S. of A. That's right, America. He supports his claim in several ways. The Babylon of Revelation is THE world leader in trade and commerce, and the WHOLE WORLD wept when Babylon fell. The American dollar, despite the Japanese success of the 20th century, is STILL the most sought after currency in the world. If the U.S. were destroyed, wouldn't the whole world mourn? The bible also talks about Babylon being a home of harlots, sin, and adultery (I am paraphrasing, of course). Babylon's sin affected, or should I say, infected, the whole world. It doesn't take much looking to see that the U.S. is in a state of moral decay. Hasn't the American culture and Hollywood spread the ""do it if it feels good"" mentality all over the world. I think, though, that what Mr. Wilkerson uses as his strongest argument is the fact that Revelation calls Babylon ""Babylon the Great"" and portrays it as the most powerful nation on earth. No matter how dissatisfied you are with the state of our country, I don't think you would have too much trouble agreeing that the U.S. is STILL the most powerful nation on earth. Again, this interpretation is not NECESSARILY my own, but I do find it worthy of consideration. Jeffrey Little " 1590,5,"From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Subject: XTERM patches for Alpha OSF 1.2? Article-I.D.: coe.1993Apr22.233646.20017 Organization: CS Lines: 24 Well, after massaging the Dec.cf, osf.def, (can't remember the exact names) from OSF into my normal X11R5 distribution, everything compiles and links fine, but xterm doesn't run. Warning: Representation size 8 must match superclass's to override background Warning: translation table syntax error: Modifier or '<' expected Warning: ... found while parsing 'p^#j?;'P)=#' X Error of failed request: BadColor (invalid Colormap parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 85 (X_AllocNamedColor) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 18 Current serial number in output stream: 18 Other than this, all the other core X stuff seems to be working OK. Any hints/tips appreciated, patches would be primo. Thanks. -- Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager (406) 994-4780 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717 osyjm@cs.montana.edu " 1591,1,From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet) Subject: Re: Surface intersections Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom Lines: 19 sp1marse@lina (Marco Seirio) writes: >I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces. >Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe >even C source?? > Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s You also have a severe problem with news headers. FTP to cs.purdue.edu:pub/vanecek and pull proxima.tar.Z and proxima.ps.Z. Tres spif. -- Lance Norskog thinman@netcom.com Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom. 1592,3,"From: jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon) Subject: modems and noisy lines. Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Hi, I just got a problem, I have a cheapo 2400bps modem which I use to connect to my university, but I get too much garbage on the screen. I do know it's because the noise in the line (I can actually hear it). So my question is will an error correction protocol help to eliminate this garbage?, my modem doesn't have any of these on hardware, can a software implemented protocol do the trick? Thanks. Juan Carlos Leon -- jleon@scf.usc.edu | jcleon@ucs.usc.edu Electrical & Computer Major | University Computing Services University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA. " 1593,16,"From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. > >This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the >fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you >want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night >in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes >out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke >and then fire? > >Do tell. > > -joe Not to mention that the story was rewritten today. Those two BD's who ""admitted to starting the fire"", forget 'em, they don't exist anyone. Today, ""a few saw someone starting a fire"" and ""our aerial surveillance showed them starting fires"" at this morning's press conference. Tomorrow, even this excuse may evaporate. A reporter pointed out that a BD being brought to arraingement shouted that tanks knocking over lanterns started the fire. Curiouser and curiouser. -- + Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only + |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* | |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*| +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* + " 1594,9,"From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt) Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ Lines: 78 In article <1993Apr15.162313.154828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes >: >>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest >>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball, >>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of >>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions... >> >>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried >>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded >>for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average, >>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases >>(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP. >> >>3B >> 1) Mike Schmidt >> 2) Ed Matthews One ""t"" in ""Eddie Mathews""! >> 3) George Brett >> 4) Wade Boggs >> 5) Ron Santo >> 6) Brooks Robinson >> 7) Frank Baker >> 8) Darrell Evans >> 9) Pie Traynor >>10) Ray Dandridge >> >How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo. > Because a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near making up for the large difference in hitting. Their average seasons, using their combined average 656 (AB + BB) per 162 games: Years AB H R 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB AVG OBP SLG OPS Santo 14.10 577 160 81 26 5 24 94 268 79 .277 .366 .464 .830 Robinson 17.55 607 162 70 27 4 15 77 243 49 .267 .325 .401 .726 Fielding, we have, per 162 games at third, Years P A DP E PCT Santo 13.15 149 348 30 24 .954 Robinson 17.72 152 350 35 15 .971 Even if Robinson's extra 3 putouts, 2 assists, and 5 DPs are taken to mean he was responsible for 10 more outs in the field, that doesn't make up for the extra 28 outs he made at the plate, not to mention the fewer total bases. The difference of .104 in OPS should be decreased by about .025 to account for Wrigley, but a .079 difference is still considerable. The Thorn & Palmer ratings are Adjusted Adjusted Stolen Fielding Total Production Batting Runs Base Runs Runs Rating Santo 123 284 -14 137 41.7 Robinson 105 52 -5 151 19.8 (26.3) Usual disclaimers about T&P's FR apply, but they really shouldn't be way off the mark in this comparison. At least it's better than fielding percentage: Carney Lansford has a .966 , 10th best all-time, but -225 FR, dead last of all time. Also, since this total rating compares players to league average instead of replacement level, Robinson should be awarded an extra 6.5 or so for playing 653 more games. He had a great career, but I would prefer Santo's plus 4 years of a replacement level 3Bman. But I would knock Traynor off the list and replace him by Stan Hack. That's a similar story, Hack's far better hitting outweighs Traynor's superior fielding. Graig Nettles and Buddy Bell would also be better choices (IMHO of course, though some recent net discussion supports this point of view.) > >>CF >> 7) Andre Dawson Shouldn't that be right field? -- +-----------------------+ | Bob Holt | | rjh@allegra.att.com | +-----------------------+ " 1595,16,"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: FBI Murders (was Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN ) Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 87 jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the >embarrassment to the BATF and the FBI would've been too severe. >Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no >witnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All >they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed >near the building, and the press could've done their job, and would've >been able to back the FBI's story with close up video, while incurring no >risk to the press. Unless they did not want the public to see something. >The complete lack of any other source of information other than the >FBI really causes me concern. >Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists Well put, Jim. I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this growing coverup. Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from any other story? Particularly if a Republican administration had been behind it. What's going on here? Let's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next. I'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops because I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business negotiations. That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks. This AMATEUR knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a psychological profile on him. You can bet your ass the FBI had professionally done profiles on Koresh. Koresh's behavior was emminently predictable. It is typical of people who move away from civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their isolation. It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious orientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as the apocalypse. Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being consumed in the apocalypse. IMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated psy-ops to initiate that apocalypse. I believe they chose a course of action designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly appearing to be acting reasonably. They KNEW that Koresh considered the tanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations. They KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles, obstensibly to perform ""gas insertions"" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push him over the edge. Look at some supporting evidence. Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV earlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical role of the tanks stationed around the compound. The FBI (through Reno on Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning) claimed to have listening devices in the compound. If that was true they KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink. They KNEW they were pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide. Any rational and reasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at the first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and would have gotten rid of all the armor. Instead they continued with the ""gas insertion"" right up to the point where flames appeared. The image that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back and forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill. Let's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without bloodshed. This technique would have required a law enforcement agency interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence. The way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back, abandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the armor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited his ego to flush him out. Exploiting his ego would have been simple. A simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell how he whipped the US government would have been something he could not have resisted. He could have then been nabbed when he left the compound. Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the FBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the revenge they sought, it was totally out of the question. Not without all that testesterone floating around. After all Jannet Reno had to show the world how big her balls are. Yesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system. I am sick to my very soul. John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? " 1596,18,"From: woody@cco.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 93 NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu In article <1ql7tuINN8j8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) writes: > >6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! AAAAAAAAAAAA! RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! >5. Look, Canada, Europe, and Japan manage to provide health care for their > citizens (and, yes, basic health IS a human right which people are > entitled to). If these nations aren't capitalist enough for you, then > I guess we've found something better than capitalism! There is nothing > sacred about the capitalist system, and if something, be it socialism > or anything else, works better, then I say let capitalism die. Then why are they in the process of systematically dismantling some of their socialistic health care systems through privitization of key components? >4. Make love, not War! If I hold a gun to your wife, would you respond the same way? I don't think so. While the age of aquarius may have hit the White House, the age of peace love and harmony hasn't hit in South Central LA nor has it hit in former Yugoslavia. And as long as there are people in the world who would rather see me dead than thrive, I want the protection of a police force who will keep the peace so I *can* make love without being shot. >3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist > at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity > to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force > them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly > have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender > discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of > the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. The ultimate statement for equal rights (something many of the feminazis have forgotten) is ""I do not care if you are either a man or a woman, I do not care if you are black or white, I do not care if you are gay or straight."" Once you can honistly say ""I do not care about color, race, or gender or sexual preference"", then we will truly be on the right track. Keep shoving differences in my face and then expect us all to get along? Get real! So long as you try to make me care if you are black, female, or whatever, I am going to continue to balk. It's natural human behaviour. But the moment employers searching for employees, banks looking to lend money, and theClinton administration looking for appointees can honistly say ""I do not care about your color, race, gender, or sexual preferences; I instend instead to treat you as a human being,"" crap like last year's riots will continue to happen. >1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! Barf. You mean the same economic theorists who say things like ""for the sake of convenience in mathematical modeling we will first assume there is no wealth creation"" now get a crack at implementing their PhD thesis in real life? Go back to your textbooks on macroeconomic theory. Look in the first chapter of that book, introducing the field of macroeconomic theory. Right there in chapter 1, section 1, is a statement like the following: ""As it is difficult to predict and model wealth creation, especially in an economy where wealth creation is inherently the province of individuals who create new inventions and discover new ideas, we will assume for the rest of this book that there is no wealth creation. ""We do not assume the lack of weath creation in the real world, however the mathematical modeling of such an inherently unpredictable subject is impossible. Even though we assume no wealth creation, we do believe that for most mathematical economic modeling such an assumption is reasonably valid as it allows us to make predictions which then can be tested."" So the guys who are running the store for Clinton and company are now assuming that wealth creation does not exists. They are (borrowing an idea from the Hitchhiker's Guide) too advanced to think of these simple things. To be honist, I would rather have an engineer with years of experience building bridges design the next bridge, rather than a theoretical physicists with a freshly minted PhD and no experience do the same job. - Bill Woody Normally I don't post (or even read most of the postings) in this newsgroup. If you would like to reply to this message and want me to see the reply, then I guess you will just have to reply directly to me. " 1597,4,"From: lewallen@cis.ohio-state.edu (stephen richard lewallen) Subject: ### 68040 25Mz FOR SALE : ABSOLUTELY NEVER USED ### Organization: The Ohio State University - Computer Science Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu I have a new 25 MHz Motorola 68040 that I am willing to sell if I get a good enough offer. It is still in its static free sealed package. If I don't get a good enough offer, I will use it to replace my 68LC040. Any takers? Supposedly you can get one of these for $375. However, at the moment the demand is higher than the supply so I think $400 is a good round number. I will pay shipping, of course. All offers should be send to lewallen@cis.ohio-state.edu " 1598,5,"From: aff209@tijc02.uucp (Ann Freeman ) Subject: Seeking user experience with X-based test tools Organization: Siemens Industrial Automation, Johnson City TN Distribution: net Lines: 10 Does anyone have any experience using XRunner, CAPBAK/X, or PreVueX as an automated test tool for X? Please email me directly with opinions (both positive and negative). Ann Freeman Siemens Industrial Automation, Inc. Johnson City, TN aff209%tijc02@uunet.uu.net " 1599,1,"From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) Subject: Re: HDF readers/viewers Organization: Australian National University, Canberra Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35 Originator: markus@octavia I wrote... > > G'day all, > > Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/ > display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA > and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage > approaches and minimalist documentation :-) and it has since turned out that all the mirror sites I looked at were fooled by a restructuring at the original site - zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu - and hence were in a mess. That and a pointer to 'imconv' should get me started. Ta muchly. Cheers Markus -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747] " 1600,4,"From: Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com (Andy Cohen) Subject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on... Organization: MDA-W Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: q5022531.mdc.com In article <_vv58kl@rpi.edu>, pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) wrote: > > Anyone know what would cause my IIcx to not turn on when I hit the keyboard > switch? The one in the back of the machine doesn't work either... > The only way I can turn it on is to unplug the machine for a few minutes, > then plug it back in and hit the power switch in the back immediately... > Sometimes this doesn't even work for a long time... TJ This problem is most likely the same that all cx users are experiencing.... Thanks to one very adventurous USENET reader (sorry I can't remember the guy's name! Somebody please post it....he deserves the credit for saving us all $$$$$) it is easily fixed, if it is the same problem...... Best I can figure it is due to time, heat and repeated warmup/cool downs in the power supply....i.e., bad solder joints in the power supply circuit card. Go get a desolder tool from radio shack, a low wattage iron and some good nonacid solder and resolder the lower left quadrant of the circuit card with the AC plugs facing away from you..........or get someone to do it for you. It took me less then 10 minutes and saved me at least $300 for a new supply! " 1601,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Consumer/Automotive Questions Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:04:03 GMT Lines: 508 Archive-name: rec-autos/part5 [this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions more geared to the automotive enthusiast, and so is not crossposted to misc.consumers. -- rpw] [changes as of 14 April 1993: revised brake fluid section, as non-silicone DOT-5 fluids are now apparently available -- rpw] Commonly Asked Automotive Questions Tire Questions: Q: What do the funny numbers on the sides of my tires mean? A: Typically, you will see something like 195/60HR14. the 195 is the overall width of the tire in millimeters, the tread is usually narrower. The 60 is the `aspect ratio'; it indicates the height of the sidewall of the tire relative to the overall width. Our example tire has a sidewall height of 0.60 * 195 ~= 117 mm. The 14 is the wheel diameter in inches; there are also some special tires called `TRX' tires which have three digit metric wheel diameter designations, like 390, which is in millimeters. The R means Radial, and the H is a speed rating indicating the highest speed at which the tire, when properly inflated and carrying an appropriate load, may safely operate. Common speed ratings are S (112MPH), T (118MPH), H (130MPH), and V (up to 150MPH.) Recent changes to the method for specifying tire sizes move the speed rating to a different part of the designation; you may therefore find designations like 195/60R14 85H; the 85 indicates the per-tire load associated with the speed rating -- exceeding this load in continuous operation at the rated speed is dangerous practice. What follows is a table showing a number of `load indices' and corresponding maximum per-tire loads: Load Index 50 51 88 89 112 113 145 149 157 Max Load (Kg) 190 195 560 580 1120 1150 2900 3250 4125 Note that the usual mass vs. weight confusion occurs in this table. In some cases, the letters P or LT may be found in front of a tire size; the LT designation indicates Light Truck, and the P designation indicates Passenger car. If no letter is given, then the application of the tire is Passenger car usage. As far as I know, these letters only appear in the US market. The LT designation is prinicipally of interest to owners of light trucks and other utility vehicles. For the owner of a passenger vehicle, there is no meaningful difference between a tire with a P designation and one with no designation at all. If the aspect ratio is omitted, it is probably 80, but may be 78. Tires with an MS (mud/snow) designation may have their speed rating reduced by 20 km/h (about 12mph.) There is an additional set of ratings on tires for temperature, traction, and treadwear. Temperature and Traction are graded A, B, and C (with A the best and C the worst); treadwear is a numeric rating. These values are of limited value, as they are assigned somewhat arbitrarily by tire manufacturers and are thus not useful in comparing different brands of tires. Q: My car has tires with a funny size designation: 185/65HR390; can i put normal tires on the car? A: Your tires are called TRX tires; they were devised by Michelin. Because of a somewhat different bead design, they are incompatible with normal tires; Michelin used a different diameter wheel for them so that they could not be mounted on the wrong type wheel (and so that more conventional tires could not be mounted on TRX type wheels.) You will need to aquire different wheels to put a normal tire on your car; it is barely possible to fit normal tires on TRX wheels, and horribly dangerous to do so (the tires may simply peel off the rims in a corner, or possibly blow out at high speed.) TRX type tires are becoming hard to find; in addition to Michelin, Avon makes suitable tires. Goodyear has apparently discontinued their line of TRX tires. Q: Can I rotate radials from side to side, or rotate them only on one side of my car? A: Car and tire manufacturers have differing views on this subject; many say that swapping radials between the left and right hand sides of a car is now ok (this group includes Michelin and Goodyear); others (for example, Pirelli and Nokia) will void warranties if such swapping is done. The best advice is to read your tire manual carefully before rotating your tires, and stick to the manufacturer's recommendations. Q: How many snow tires should I buy, and if I buy 2, which end of the car should I put them on? A: In short, 4, and both ends. To explain, many drivers in areas that don't get excessive snow or who don't drive agressively (or at all) in snow conditions get away with only two snows on the drive wheels, but there are circumstances where this can be dangerous practice. With a rear wheel drive car, you can choose between being able to start the car going (a function of the rear axle) or stopping and turning the car (a function of the front axle.) In a front wheel drive car, you start, stop, and turn with the front end. The primary risk of putting the snow tires on the front only is that if you have to put on the brakes while going downhill, you run a serious risk of going downhill backwards. Radar Detectors and Speed Limits: Q: Why aren't there any comments on Radar Detectors and Speed Limits in this Q&A posting? A: Because questions about detectors and speed limits crossposted between misc.consumers and rec.autos.* always start long, tedious, and pointless flame wars. If you want to talk about either of these topics, please subscribe to rec.autos or alt.flame and keep it there. Safety Equipment: Q: Do airbags really work? A: Preliminary statistics suggest the following: Airbags work much better than no belts; good 3 point belts alone work much better than Airbags alone, and AirBags + 3 point belts work slightly better than 3 point belts alone. The con to airbags is that some designs tend to burn the driver's hands when venting the byproducts of the explosion that occurs inside the bag, and that some designs (but not all) may knock the driver's hands from the wheel, making retention of control of the vehicle after the bag deflates more difficult. Brake Questions: Q: Do I always need to get the rotors on my disk brakes turned? Midas always wants to do this. A: No. There are specific conditions that mandate turning or replacing rotors; some shops try and make a little extra money by replacing rotors more often than is strictly necessary. if the rotors are not warped warped, and only lightly grooved, then there is no need to replace or to turn them. Note also that some rotors (the rotors on many Hondas are a good example) are so narrow to begin with that it is not practical to turn them; they must be replaced when they become too thin, warped, or badly grooved. Q: They tell me I should downshift when braking to slow my car down. Is this really a good idea? A: It used to be a very good idea, back in the days of mediocre, fade prone drum brakes. In modern disc brake equipped cars, use of downshifting to slow the car is not really necessary, except in cases of long, steep downhill runs. Otherwise, modern disc brakes are more than adequate to stop a passenger car in all circumstances, and they are much cheaper to repair than clutch linings. On the other hand, many standard driver's license tests in the USA still specify that the driver being tested downshift under braking; I suggest that before taking a US driver's test, you either 1) learn to do this smoothly (which takes some time and practice) or 2) borrow a car with an automatic to take the test. Q: How often should I replace my brake fluid? A: Probably more often than you do. Traditional brake fluids tend to absorb water; this water can corrode internal parts of the brake system and also lower the boiling point of the fluid. DOT-3 type are older fluids; DOT-4 and DOT-5 are newer specifications. The principal differences are in wet and dry boiling points; the dry boiling point is important in fresh brake fluid, but the wet boiling point is important in older brake fluid. DOT-3 fluids have the lowest wet and dry boiling point _requirements_; DOT-4 fluids have better boiling point requirements; and DOT-5 fluids have the best boiling point requirements (but DOT-5 fluids are not clearly superior; see the next Q&A for more details.) While the requirements imply that DOT-4 fluids are better than DOT-3 fluids, there may be specific cases where a DOT-3 fluid is preferable, but these are mostly competition applications. Otherwise, DOT-4 type fluids offer _much_ improved brake pedal feel. Replacement once a year is recommended for DOT-4 fluids, although agressive drivers may profit by changing out fluid more frequently, or at least bleeding a modest amount of fluid out of the brake calipers fairly regularly. Q: What about DOT-5 brake fluids? A: This breaks down in to two parts. The DOT-5 specification looks excellent for performance, but the first DOT-5 fluids were Silicone based. Silicone fluids are a tricky proposition. Unlike DOT-3 and DOT-4 fluids, they do not absorb water at all. While this may sound like a feature, the problem is that any water present pools up in such systems, interfering with braking performance and corroding any metals at the spot where the pooling is occuring. The water will tend to migrate downwards in the braking system to the brake calipers, where most of the corrosion occurs. Because of this phenomenon, it is essential when converting to Silicone to empty the entire brake system and flush it throughly beforehand; some even recommend replacing all rubber parts in the brake system when converting to Silicone fluids. Two other issues that come up with silicone fluids: 1) they are difficult to pour cleanly (that is, without air bubbles), which interferes with getting a good brake pedal feel, and 2) while they generally have much higher boiling points than DOT-4 fluids, they do have high temperature failure modes which are indistinguishable in effect from boiling DOT-4 fluids. SIlicone fluids may make sense in some street car applications, but they are certainly not recommended for high performance driving applications, and the economics are questionable for street use. I have recently become aware of new fluids that meet the DOT-5 standard that do not contain Silicones; these fluids appear to be reasonably compatible with the older DOT-3 and DOT-4 fluids, but I have little information at this time. Q: ABS is available on some of the cars I'm looking at, but it costs more. Is it worth it? A: This does not have a cut and dried answer; therefore, this answer will be quite long in order to cover the pros and cons. The short answer is that ABS costs more, both initially, and to maintain, will generally work better for the `average driver' (that is to say, a driver who does not have extensive experience in high performance driving techniques), and may require the `unlearning' of some obsolete braking techniques like pump braking which should be unlearned in any case. Now for the long answer. ABS works by monitering the wheels of the car, looking for signs of locked brakes. It may or may not be able be able to distinguish between the different wheels (there are several systems on the market.) It cannot detect impending lockup (which is what you would really want in an ideal world), but only the existence of lockup. The sensors used vary; some of the less well designed sensors are sensitive to tire size, and to brake pad material, and may cease to function properly if the owner deviates from original equipment or OE-equivalent components. When the sensors detect lockup, the ABS system responds by unlocking the brakes (either individually, or all at once, depending on the system.) If the driver keeps their foot firmly planted, the ABS will end up cycling between the locked and unlocked states (if a sensor existed that could detect _impending lockup_, then we could sit right at that point, which is where maximum braking effect is achieved.) This pulsing can often be felt in the brake pedal, as the system cycles. The percentage of the time that the brakes are truly engaged is called the `duty cycle'; typically in an ABS system this is about 40% On dry pavement, a trained driver can beat this duty cycle quite reliably using a technique called threshold braking; on wet pavement, braking is so chancy that ABS will outperform threshold braking nearly every time. Unfortunately, on mud and on snow, often maximum braking effect can be acheived with the brakes locked; only Audi, of the manufacturers producing ABS-equipped cars, has seen fit to provide a disable switch for the ABS system for this eventuality. A particularly important feature of ABS is that it preserves steering control. This is the case simply because, if you are braking near the limit and turn the wheel, the ABS will release the brakes if it sees steering-triggered lockup, and back off on the percentage of the time that the brakes are applied. Braking distances will lengthen accordingly. An important caution: ABS cannot exceed the maximum theoretical braking force in any given situation; if you start sliding on glare ice, don't expect an ABS system to help you out very much. The coefficient of friction is not changed by the presence of an ABS system in your car. As far as maintenence goes, in addition to the potential restrictions I've listed above, you have to worry about the following: 1) parts costs are much higher; the OE master cylinder for my obscure european sedan lists for $185, but the OE master cylinder for the ABS-equipped version of the same car lists for over $1000. Most manufacturers explicitly forbid use of DOT-5 (silicone) brake fluids in ABS-equipped vehicles. Because of the potential cost of replacement of corroded brake system components, regular (I suggest annual) replacement of brake fluid becomes very important. Q: What about this threshold braking business? A: [normally, I'd not put this in the consumers Q&A, but recent publicity about a number of accidents involving police drivers in ABS-equipped Chevy Caprices suggests that this section is needed here -- rpw] Threshold braking is a technique practiced by all serious high performance drivers; if made a habit, it replaces the `stab the pedal and lock 'em up' panic habit entirely, and is much to be prefered. Basically, the premise is that tires generate maximum braking force when they have just started to slide, but just before the wheels lock up entirely. Drivers who threshold brake learn to feel what this `threshold' feels like, and learn to search for it and hit it on the application of the brake pedal. In many cars, you can feel that you are near the threshold when the pedal starts to firm up as you depress it. In any case, if you can't hear the tires whine just a bit, you're not very near the threshold. In a car with ABS, often there is a twinge in the pedal just before the system starts cycling; if the driver backs off on the pedal just a tad when the twinge is felt, then they are very close to the threshold and they'll probably achieve better stopping distances than if they just punched it and let the ABS take over. Recently, there has been a rash of publicity over a number of accidents, and one death, involving police cars equipped with ABS systems. The police departments in question quickly blamed the new ABS systems, but according to Autoweek magazine, it now seems clear that the problem was a lack of training; none of the involved officers had any recent performance driving training. There is reason to believe that the drivers reacted to the pulsing brake pedal by `pump braking', an old and discredited technique of stabbing and releasing the brake pedal, the goal being to try and get brakes back with a failing hydraulic system. If you think about it for a minute, you'll realize that pump braking must cut the effective operation of a working brake system by at least 1/2, so if you cut the 40% duty cycle of an ABS system by that much, you are giving up most of your brakes for the wrong reason. Threshold braking has the advantage in that it is an effective and useful technique regardless of whether your car has ABS; if you do fear a failed hydraulic system, then one or two stabs at the pedal will be sufficient. Gas Questions: Q: Does High Octane gasoline help? A: Maybe, maybe not. Some cars have knock sensors, and can adjust the engine timing or turbocharger boost to suit the gasoline being used. On most cars, however, you should use the cheapest gas that makes your car run well. Check your owner's manual for details on what your car needs. Q: My car was made for leaded gasoline. Will unleaded gas hurt it? A: It is possible that unleaded gas may *slightly* increase valve wear, although the Amoco Oil company argues otherwise. The actual increase in valve wear will be almost unnoticeable, however, as modern leaded gasolines actually contain very little lead. You should, however, check your owner's manual; many cars from the early 1970s do not actually require leaded gasoline. Q: Do fuel treatments help? What kind should I use? A: Some do and some don't. During the winter, it is a good idea to use dry gas; however, some may be harmful to fuel injection systems. Never use an additive containing Methanol (sometimes called Methyl Alcohol); such additives may damage fuel systems in cars with carbs and almost certainly will damage cars with fuel injection. Manufacturer's opinions vary on additives containing Ethanol (sometimes called Ethyl Alcohol); if your car has fuel injection, check the owner's manual on your car before using these. Most manufacturers consider 10% Ethanol acceptable in gasoline. Additives with Isopropyl Alcohol (Isopropanol), and Petroleum Distillates are fine in fuel injected cars. An occasional bottle of fuel injector cleaner is helpful in cars with fuel injectors, although many premium gasolines contain detergents that do the same job. Some off brands of fuel injector cleaners contain Ethanol or Methanol; always check the ingredients before putting anything in your gas tank. There are a small number of particularly good additives; these are noticeably more expensive that the run-of-the-mill ones, but work much, much better. Among these are Chevron Techron, Redline SL-1, Wurth `Lubrimoly Ventil Sauber', and BG 44K. A bottle of one of these, once every six months, is highly recommended. Q: What about detergent gasolines? A: The quality of detergent packages in gasolines varies somewhat; BMW has instituted a testing program, and gasoline brands which pass this test may advertise that fact. Stickers indicating passage of the test are now beginning to appear on fuel pumps at gas stations. If such gasolines are used, then fuel injector cleaners are probably optional. Beforewarned that while use of BMW approved gasolines will keep a clean engine clean, they may not clean a motor with bad valve deposits. Lubrication Questions: Q: What do the numbers and letters in a motor oil designation mean? A: There are several different items encoded. There is a two-letter code indicating the type of detergent package that the manufacturer uses in the oil; this looks like SE,SF,CD or such. The S codes are for gasoline engine applications; the C codes are for diesel engine applications. The second letter is assigned in sequence as new levels of protection are developed; thus SF is considered better than SE, SE is considered better than SD, and so forth. The more noticeable designation is the oil weight. This is either a single number (e.g., 30 weight) or a pair of numbers separated by the letter W (e.g., 10W30.) The latter type is much more commonly used these days, and are the only type that most automobile manufacturers specify in operators manuals. The first number in the designation (10W) is the apparent viscosity of the oil when it is cold; the W stands for `winter'. The second number (30) is the viscosity of the oil when hot. There is a trick here; the oil doesn't actually get thicker (turn from 10 weight to 30 weight) as it gets hotter. What is actually happening is that when the oil is cold, it has the viscosity of a cold 10 weight oil. as it gets hotter, it doesn't get thin as fast as a 10W oil would; by the time it is up to temperature, it has the viscosity of a hot 30 weight oil. Note that these numbers actually specify ranges of viscosities; not all 10W oils have exactly the same viscosity when cold, and not all 30 weight oils have the same viscosity when hot. Note also that the novel behaviour of multi-grade oils is caused by additives, and it has been reported that with the sole exception of Castrol GTX, 10W40 oils do not retain their multi-grade characteristics well over time. 10W30, 15W40, and 20W50 oils work very well, though. Q: Are `quick lube' places any good? A: Some do adequate work, but there are quite a few incompetent ones out there. Let the buyer beware, watch them while they work, make sure that they don't overtorque the oil drain plug, and keep your hand on your wallet at all times. Q: Are oil additives like Slick-50 or Tufoil any good? A: Slick-50 and Tufoil are PTFE-based additives. Many of these have come onto the market recently; they are different from the moly-based additives that have been around since the early 50's. PTFE is the chemical name for Teflon(TM), a trademark owned by DuPont. In general, auto manufacturers do not recommend use of these products. Most USENET responses to questions on these additives are favorable (slight increase of MPG after application, smoother revving) but long term results (whether PTFE additives are effective after 5K miles) are debatable. Some manufacturers (such as Saab) claim that either the product or the engine flush that preceeds application causes deterioration of the oil seals and eventual leakage. Some BMW owners have reported death of valve seals shortly after the addition of Slick 50 to their cars. This writer has been cautioned by a Slick-50 Dealer (!) that Slick-50 should _not_ be used in Japanese motors, as it may clog the oil return passages in the engine. Otherwise, there are no known reports of damage caused by PTFE additives. On the other hand, there are satified Slick 50 customers in the world. Q: Do synthetic oils really work? A: Yes, but. More specifically, most auto manufactuers accept synthetics, but disagree with the extremely long oil change intervals claimed by oil manufacturers. Auto manufacturers recommend that you continue to change oil at the intervals recommended in the owners manual for your car. Even if you decide to try the longer intervals, at least change the oil filter at regular intervals, as synthetics get just as dirty as conventional oils. Synthetic gear lubricants for manual transmissions are another matter entirely; Amsoil, Redline, and AGIP are very highly regarded and very effective. Mobil 1 synthetic gear lube gets mixed reviews, however. Q: Manufacturers are specifying longer and longer oil change intervals. How often should I change my oil? A: It depends on how you drive. If your car always (or nearly always) gets warmed up, and you don't drive it very hard and keep the revs down, the manufacturer's recommendation is probably fine. If, however, you drive it hard, drive it at high revs, or alternatively, if you only drive it to and from the supermarket so that it doesn't get up to temperature, then you may wish to change oil much more often, perhaps at 3000 mile intervals (given that most manufacturers are now specifying 7500 mile intervals.) If you don't drive your car much at all (say 7500 miles a year), then you probably want to change oil every six months anyway. If you are storing a car during the winter, then change oil before storing it and change oil when you bring it out of storage. Misc. Questions: Q: My car has a timing belt. I hear that bad things happen when they break. What's the story? A: It depends on the internal design of the motor. Early Ford Escorts, for example, will suffer severe valve damage if the belt breaks, but the newer cars will just require a tow and installation of a new belt. Some Honda motors will not be damaged, but others will be. If no replacement interval is specified for your car, then change the belt at least every 60,000 miles; some cars may require more frequent replacement. Ask your dealer or independent mechanic. Also, ask if there are any related repairs that should take place at the same time (for example, the same Ford Escorts that suffer valve damage also have a timing belt driven water pump, which has been known to seize, destroying the timing belt, and which then causes major valve damage as a side effect. Replacing the timing belt while ignoring the water pump can be a costly mistake.) Q: Why would anyone be stupid enough to design a motor so that it self destructs when the timing belt breaks? A: For performance reasons. Compromising piston design so that the valves and pistons will not collide requires that the compression ratio of the engine be reduced significantly; this is why you are more likely to avoid valve damage in economy cars than in performance oriented vehicles. Q: What causes Unintended Acceleration? A: The final report of the National Highway, Transportation, and Safety Administration concluded that unintended acceleration could not be caused by any mechanical failure of the vehicle in question and at the same time be consistent with the physical evidence. The NHTSA report goes on to conclude that `pedal misapplication' by the vehicle operator is probably the cause. -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 1602,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 09/10 - Other Miscellany Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 174 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 9 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Other Miscellany. National Security agency. US export restrictions. TEMPEST electromagnetic interference monitoring. Beale ciphers, a hoax? American Cryptographic Association. RSA public-key patents. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part09 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 9: Other Miscellany This is the ninth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is the National Security Agency (NSA)? * What are the US export regulations? * What is TEMPEST? * What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax? * What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch? * Is RSA patented? * What about the Voynich manuscript? * What is the National Security Agency (NSA)? The NSA is the official security body of the U.S. government. It was given its charter by President Truman in the late 40's, and has continued research in cryptology till the present. The NSA is known to be the largest employer of mathematicians in the world, and is also the largest purchaser of computer hardware in the world. Governments in general have always been prime employers of cryptologists. The NSA probably possesses cryptographic expertise many years ahead of the public state of the art, and can undoubtedly break many of the systems used in practice; but for reasons of national security almost all information about the NSA is classified. Bamford's book [BAMFD] gives a history of the people and operations of the NSA. The following quote from Massey [MAS88] highlights the difference between public and private research in cryptography: ``... if one regards cryptology as the prerogative of government, one accepts that most cryptologic research will be conducted behind closed doors. Without doubt, the number of workers engaged today in such secret research in cryptology far exceeds that of those engaged in open research in cryptology. For only about 10 years has there in fact been widespread open research in cryptology. There have been, and will continue to be, conflicts between these two research communities. Open research is common quest for knowledge that depends for its vitality on the open exchange of ideas via conference presentations and publications in scholarly journals. But can a government agency, charged with responsibilities of breaking the ciphers of other nations, countenance the publication of a cipher that it cannot break? Can a researcher in good conscience publish such a cipher that might undermine the effectiveness of his own government's code-breakers? One might argue that publication of a provably-secure cipher would force all governments to behave like Stimson's `gentlemen', but one must be aware that open research in cryptography is fraught with political and ethical considerations of a severity than in most scientific fields. The wonder is not that some conflicts have occurred between government agencies and open researchers in cryptology, but rather that these conflicts (at least those of which we are aware) have been so few and so mild.'' * What are the US export regulations? In a nutshell, there are two government agencies which control export of encryption software. One is the Bureau of Export Administration (BXA) in the Department of Commerce, authorized by the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). Another is the Office of Defense Trade Controls (DTC) in the State Department, authorized by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). As a rule of thumb, BXA (which works with COCOM) has less stringent requirements, but DTC (which takes orders from NSA) wants to see everything first and can refuse to transfer jurisdiction to BXA. The newsgroup misc.legal.computing carries many interesting discussions on the laws surrounding cryptographic export, what people think about those laws, and many other complex issues which go beyond the scope of technical groups like sci.crypt. Make sure to consult your lawyer before doing anything which will get you thrown in jail; if you are lucky, your lawyer might know a lawyer who has at least heard of the ITAR. * What is TEMPEST? TEMPEST is a standard for electromagnetic shielding for computer equipment. It was created in response to the discovery that information can be read from computer radiation (e.g., from a CRT) at quite a distance and with little effort. Needless to say, encryption doesn't do much good if the cleartext is available this way. * What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax? (Thanks to Jim Gillogly for this information and John King for corrections.) The story in a pamphlet by J. B. Ward (1885) goes: Thomas Jefferson Beale and a party of adventurers accumulated a huge mass of treasure and buried it in Bedford County, Virginia, leaving three ciphers with an innkeeper; the ciphers describe the location, contents, and intended beneficiaries of the treasure. Ward gives a decryption of the second cipher (contents) called B2; it was encrypted as a book cipher using the initial letters of the Declaration of Independence (DOI) as key. B1 and B3 are unsolved; many documents have been tried as the key to B1. Aficionados can join a group that attempts to solve B1 by various means with an eye toward splitting the treasure: The Beale Cypher Association P.O. Box 975 Beaver Falls, PA 15010 You can get the ciphers from the rec.puzzles FAQL by including the line: send index in a message to netlib@peregrine.com and following the directions. (There are apparently several different versions of the cipher floating around. The correct version is based on the 1885 pamphlet, says John King .) Some believe the story is a hoax. Kruh [KRU88] gives a long list of problems with the story. Gillogly [GIL80] decrypted B1 with the DOI and found some unexpected strings, including ABFDEFGHIIJKLMMNOHPP. Hammer (president of the Beale Cypher Association) agrees that this string couldn't appear by chance, but feels there must be an explanation; Gwyn (sci.crypt expert) is unimpressed with this string. * What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch? The ACA is an organization devoted to cryptography, with an emphasis on cryptanalysis of systems that can be attacked either with pencil-and-paper or computers. Its organ ``The Cryptogram'' includes articles and challenge ciphers. Among the more than 50 cipher types in English and other languages are simple substitution, Playfair, Vigenere, bifid, Bazeries, grille, homophonic, and cryptarithm. Dues are $15 for one year (6 issues); more outside of North America; less for students under 18 and seniors. Subscriptions should be sent to ACA Treasurer, 18789 West Hickory St., Mundelein, IL 60060. * Is RSA patented? Yes. The patent number is 4,405,829, filed 12/14/77, granted 9/20/83. For further discussion of this patent, whether it should have been granted, algorithm patents in general, and related legal and moral issues, see comp.patents and misc.legal.computing. For information about the League for Programming Freedom see [FTPPF]. Note that one of the original purposes of comp.patents was to collect questions such as ``should RSA be patented?'', which often flooded sci.crypt and other technical newsgroups, into a more appropriate forum. * What about the Voynich manuscript? nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) says there is a mailing list on the subject. the address to write to subscribe to the VMS mailing list is: the ftp archive is: rand.org:/pub/voynich There's all sorts of information about the manuscript itself, of course. A good bibliography can be found on the ftp site. Kahn's ""The Codebreakers"" gives a good introduction. " 1603,12,"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Keywords: outlet Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 16 olsen@vetmed.cvm.uiuc.edu (Aart_Olsen) writes: >>|> I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the >>|> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground >>|> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. >> >>This is contrary to the electrical code and should be fixed. >> >Sorry, but this is exactly according to the NEC. No need to be sorry, I blew it on this one. At the main breaker box where there is a thick wire ground leading to the earth, both neutral and ground are hooked to this bus. In any other breaker box (or an outlet box, etc.) the ground and neutral must not be connected together. " 1604,10,"From: pavalin@bnr.ca (Paul Valin) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm4b8 Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr6.044045.5215@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) wrote: > > In rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > >>pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) writes: > > >>> With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the >>>cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >>>trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. > >This is known as the Savard syndrome - and we are talking Denis, not Serge. >No team will ever win squat with the likes of Denis Savard in their lineup. > > >They could tell Savard to stay home and watch the games on TV. If life were so simple! Savard has not played in three of the last four games and they are still playing like crap. Montreal's problems run deeper than Savard (and Mouton) unfortunately; I hope they can get their act together before the playoffs. The line-up in their game coming up against PittsburgH is said to be the one they're likely to use for the playoffs. Let's hope they can forget about the nice weather we're having and play hockey. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Valin Tel: + 1 613 763 7394 Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Email: pavalin@bnr.ca P.O. Box 3511, Station C Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7 'only my opinions...' " 1605,17,"From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN Lines: 50 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes... >In article <22APR199300513566@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>>Are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is/was >>>Yugoslavia, including Bosnia, which guarantees massive military >>>superiority of Serbian forces and does not allow the Bosnians to >>>try to defend themselves? >>Should we sell weapons to all sides, or just the losing one, then? > >Ending an embargo does not _we_ must sell anything at all. Right. We'll probably end up giving them weapons. >>If the Europeans want to sell weapons to one or both sides, they are welcome >>as far as I'm concerned. > >You seem to oppose ending the embargo. You know, it is difficult for Europeans >to sell weapons when there is an embargo in place. During WWII, the British managed to supply arms to the Yugoslavs despite German occupation. If the Europeans had the will to do anything besides sponsoring peace conferences, they would have no problem putting any kind of weapon they wanted into Bosnia. I guess I would favor ending the embargo if the Congress would pass a law forbidding export of US military supplies to Yugoslavia, including via third parties. Until then the risks of the US being drawn into a more active role would be too great. I do not see the arms embargo as a major factor in the outcome of the war. >>I do not automatically accept the argument that Bosnia is any worse than >>other recent civil wars, say Vietnam for instance. The difference is it is >>happening to white people inside Europe, with lots of TV coverage. > >But if this was the reason, and if furthermore both sides are equal, wouldn't >all us racist Americans be favoring the good Christians (Serbs) instead >of the non-Christians we really seem to favor? Both sides are certainly not equal in the eyes of the press. And that's about all we have to go on, isn't it? And I wish you'd quit hurling words like racist around. There are many levels at which people react to what they see. At the most fundamental level, you do not have to consciously recognize the racial element - you simply tend to empathize more with people who are like yourself. As far preferring Christian over Moslem, I am an atheist myself, and I think you'll agree that in the US, the majority of people do not typically discriminate on the basis of religion, nor give it a particularly important place in their world view. Dave " 1606,5,"From: banz@umbc.edu (Rob Banz) Subject: Looking for an R5 Xserver for HP9000/385 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 14 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: banz Subject says it all... Anyone know where I can find one. Binaries are nice, but source would do to. Thanks in advance, -- Rob Banz (banz@umbc.edu) ""If we give people an alternative to Microsoft...it will have been a greater good."" -Steve Jobs (UnixWorld, April 1993) ""Yes, Bill, we are your father!"" -IBM OS/2 Presentation, FOSE'93 " 1607,1,"From: g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) Subject: Fonts in POV?? Organization: University of Wollongong, NSW, Australia. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au Keywords: fonts, raytrace I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? Thanks, Noel " 1608,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: >>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, >>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has >>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" >I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: >performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual >performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a >statement is absurd: >SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. >SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) ALL this shows is that YOU don't know much about SCSI. SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} range is indeed 0-5MB/s and that is ALL you have right about SCSI SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit} Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1 so it DOES exist. Some PC use this set up too. SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst By your OWN data the ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI"" is correct With a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB/s which is indeed ""20% faster than IDE"" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been posted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)} Part of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI is which. Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip an Apple salesperson said ""it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip"" {Not at a 6MB/s, 10MB/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB/s maximum synchronous and Quadra uses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER} It seems that Mac and IBM see SCSI-1 interface and think 'SCSI-1' when it maybe a SCSI-1 interface driven in the machine by a SCSi-2 controller chip in 8-bit mode {Which is MUCH FASTER then true SCSI-1 can go}. Don't slam an article because you don't understand what is going on. One reference for the Quadra's SCSI-2 controller chip is (Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)). " 1609,3,"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 and ATI LB problem. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: gray.cc.utexas.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 37 In article , jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Jude M. Greer) writes: > I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with > my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB. > When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is > fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen > gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen > there is about a 3/4"" bar of black. The screen isn't cut off, it just squeezes > everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can > manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just > shouldn't happen anyway. I've called Gateway numerous times and they haven't > been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and > both times the new card didn't work at all in my computer. They even tried > to bill me for the first card because they didn't get it back in a couple of > days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks > before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story... > So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what > to do. Hell, let me know if you don't have a solution, just so I know I'm > not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance. > > Jude M. Greer > jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu > > P.S. I already tried going into the MACH 32 install program and manually set- > ting up the card. Doesn't work. Whenever I try to increase the vertical size > of the 800x600 screen, it just starts to cut off the top and bottom. > Maybe its a monitor problem. You mentioned that you swapped cards, but not monitors. Perhaps that could be it. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] " 1610,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr16.211458.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: (deletion) >Nope, Germany has extremely restrictive citizenship laws. The >ethnic Germans who have lived in Russia for over 100 years >automatically become citizens if they move to Germany, but the >Turks who are now in their third generation in Germany can't. That's wrong. They can. Benedikt " 1611,15,"From: kene@acs.bu.edu (Kenneth Engel) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 18 |> Imagine the worst depth of despair you've |> ever encountered, or the worst physical pain you've ever experienced. |> Some people suffer such emotional, physical, and mental anguish |> in their lives that their deaths seem to be merciful. But at least |> the pain does end in death. What if you lived a hundred such lives, |> at the conclusion of one you were instantly reborn into another? |> What if you lived a million, a billion years in this state? |> What if this kept going forever? Did this happen to Jesus? I don't think so, not from what I heard. He lived ONE DAY of suffering and died. If the wages of sin is the above paragraph, then JESUS DIDN'T PAY FOR OUR SINS, DID HE? I'd be surprised to see the moderator let this one through, but I seriously want a reasonable explanation for this. ken " 1612,4,Organization: University of Maine System From: Jon Carr Subject: Pin map for 8pin-DIN cable? Lines: 26 #### #### # ### # # 1 2 3 # Facing # # Female Plug End # 4 5 6 # # # # # # 7 8 # # # ############# Anyone Recognize this? It's my little layout of a eight pin female plug connector used for many mac peripherals. #####Problem########Problem#########Problem######## Printer (cheap) cables using this configuration switch a couple of pins between one end and the other. I want to use cheap cables for an A-B box. Anyone know which pins get reversed so I can do some creative editing on the internals of my box? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -----> Jon Jon Carr -----> IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU UMaine '93 1993 NCAA Champions! How about those 42-1-2 Black Bears!! M - A - I - N - E - GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!! 1613,10,"From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: NHLPA poll (Stats/2nd uptade) Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 40 2nd uptade: Here are the standings for the poll after 29 votes: 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd,... 1 point for 5th: EA/ NHLPA game 1. DET 78 2. CHI 67 3. VAN 60 4. NY 59 5. MTL 54 6. PIT 23 7. WAS 20 8. BOS 17 9..QUE 9 10.CAL 8 11.ASW 7 12.LA 5 TOR 5 14.ASE 4 WIN 4 16.BUF 3 PHI 3 18.SJ 2 19.MIN 1 OTW 1 Atlanta to win Turner Cup 1 (not in the game, but 1 person vote) Continue to send your votes in this format (until April 20th, approximately) ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. ------------------------------------------------ __ " 1614,14,"From: uck@netcom.com (Tom Chamberlain) Subject: Buzz Aldrin's Race Into Space? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 6 Has anyone heard of or Played Buzz Aldrin's Race into Space? Does anyone know when it is expected to be released...? Thanx, Tom. " 1615,10,"From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca Subject: Yet more crazy predictions Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 36 Well here it goes...my crazy predictions (which never come true, but hey..) Adams Bos vs. Buf - Bos in 5 (cakewalk for the hot Bruins) Que vs. Mon - Que in 6 (best series of the first round) Patrick Pit vs. NYI - Pit in 5 (NYI wins fourth game) Was vs. NJD - NJD in 7 (a grueling upset, possibly OT in game 7) Norris Chi vs. StL - Chi in 5 (StL is no match for Keenan's Krew) Det vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Clark steps it up in playoffs this year) Smythe (who cares?) Van vs. Win - Win in 7 (so I'm caught up in Teemu-mania, sue me!) Cal vs. LAK - Cal in 5 (LA sucks!!!!!!!!! IMO) Division finals Bos vs. Que - Bos in 7 (killer games, watch for Cam to shine) Pit vs. NJD - Pit in 6 (NJD go insane, kill all on ice, but Pit wins) Chi vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Tor defense finally get it together) Cal vs. Win - Cal in 6 (Win too tired after 1st series) Conference finals Pit vs. Bos - Bos in 6 (Pit too beat up by NJD to play (I hope)) Cal vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Vernon turns into a sieve) Stanley Cup Bos vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Two totally different teams, who knows? Dreams can come true, pig might one day evolve wings) Feel free to laugh at my predictions, I always do! Barfly " 1616,2,"From: gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Distribution: git Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 58 In comp.os.ms-windows.misc you write: >While reading through the DOS 6.0 book, it states that the Windows permanaent swap file will not work correctly when placed on a compressed drive. To make things compatable, >I removed my Permanent swap file before starting the upgrade. However, when all the dust settled, and I go into windows, it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was, in the Windows directory. My question is: How come the temporary swap files works OK with a compressed drive, and the permanent one doesn't? you might want to look in windows FAQ for this one, but here is my best explanation. But I can't guarantee that I'm not way off base... The permenant swap file is read/written to by windows by talking directly to the hard disk controller card. The controller card must use the protocal set up by western digital (or something like that). Windows creates a file called spart.par in your windows directory that points to that file. It then uses the physical information about your disk to index to information in that file. compressed disks are actually ""logical"" disks. These disks have different characteristics than the actual physical disk. Furthermore, the information on the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used. (i.e it must go through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating system level or the BIOS level). Because of this ""inbetween"" program, windows cannot use direct methods to read from the ""logical"" disk. a permenant swap file is only there to ""reserve"" an area of the disk that windows can use and to block that space from DOS. Windows would theoretically not even have to access the file from DOS to use that disk space. (I don't know if it does or doesn't...but it checks for it somewhere everytime you boot windows.) a temporary swap file is just a normal DOS file that is accessed by windows via DOS and the BIOS. If a disk compression program or other TSR is loaded the file access must go through DOS...TSR'S (disk compression)...and BIOS in order to be access. (i.e. NEVER USE A TEMPORARY SWAP FILE...NEVER) more on permenent swap files... i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk has seen the message ""you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this swap file anyway"" or something like that. well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he said! I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is available to me if it's not going to use it? any takers? James (if this doesn't get to the net, will someone post it for me? thanks) " 1617,6,"Organization: University of Maine System From: Merv Subject: EGA/VGA Monitor&Card wanted Lines: 9 As it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card combo that is in working condition. The only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card. E-Mail all offers to: IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Thanks. -Merv " 1618,5,"From: dave@einstein.andi.org (David Scheck) Subject: imake (X11R4) cpp problems on AIX Keywords: imake X11R4 AIX Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.andi.org Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Lines: 28 I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2. I am having the following 2 problems. (1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like /**/#This is a makefile at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the start of a directive. However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines that ""This"" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better fix. (2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK. If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's that behave similarly? Since I do not have easy access to News, a response to 'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated. " 1619,13,"From: cliff@buster.stafford.tx.us (Cliff Tomplait) Subject: Re: sex problem. Organization: Buster irby Lines: 34 ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) writes: >I have question that I hope is taken seriously, despite the subject content. >Problem: My long time girlfriend lately has not been initiating any sexual > activity. For the last four months things have changed dramatically. > ... > --to make this shorter-- Summary: nothing that I can think of has > changed.... > ... >She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet). >Any suggestions would be appreciated. >If you think you can help me, please contact me by e-mail for further info. >PLEASE serious replies only. >Thanks, Larry Larry: The subject content IS serious; as is the question. On one hand you state that ""things have changed dramatically"" but, at the same time nothing you ""can think of has changed"". Your girlfriend seems to want to see a counselor, but you don't. I'd recommend that you examine your hesitation to see a counselor. It's a very good environment to examine issues. The fact of the matter is: your girlfriend has a different perception than you. The TWO of you need to address the issue in order to resolve it. Please consider going to a counselor with your girlfriend. What could it possibly hurt? Cliff (the paramedic) " 1620,17,"From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU WILL MISS, Apr 15 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: > > Yigal et al, sue ADL > Why do you title this ""News you will miss"" ? There have been at least three front-page stories on it in the L.A. Times. I wouldn't exactly call that a media cover-up. > js > ___Samuel___ Mossad Special Agent ID314159 Media Spiking & Mind Control Division Los Angeles Offices -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. " 1621,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Griffin / Office of Exploration: RIP Article-I.D.: news.C51r3o.9wK Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >Any comments on the absorbtion of the Office of Exploration into the >Office of Space Sciences and the reassignment of Griffin to the ""Chief >Engineer"" position? Is this just a meaningless administrative >shuffle, or does this bode ill for SEI? Unfortunately, things have been boding ill (is that a legitimate conjugation?) for a while. While the Office of Exploration had some great ideas, they never got much money. I've heard good things about Griffin, but it's hard to want him back in a job where he couldn't do anything. >Does anyone know what his new duties will be? The group examining the Freedom-based space station redesign proposals is headed by Michael Griffin, ""NASA's cheif engineer"" in the words of Space News. I believe this is him. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes seront capable de la realiser"" -Jules Verne " 1622,7,"From: sawicki@naspac.tc.faa.gov (Michael J. Sawicki CTA) Subject: Regal fiberglass parts ?? Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.faa.gov Summary: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? I have a 1982 Regal and I am interested in buying a fiberglass hood, trunk, and bumpers for it. Does anybody know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for Regals ?? Thanks in advance, -Mike " 1623,18,"From: fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) Subject: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE ) Oanization: Mississippi State University Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 30 muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: >fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: >>> >>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. >> >>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........ > >If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s >would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the >program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date of the magazine? As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now, I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many people are out of work. >The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down >a pork happy Congress. > >-- Marc Mueller Huh? Shouldn't that read ""The question is whether a social-pork happy Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy Congress."" fpa " 1624,1,"From: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix) Subject: Processing of stereo images Reply-To: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix) Organization: Code 1542, DTMB, Bethesda, MD Lines: 16 I'm interested in find out what is involved in processing pairs of stereo photographs. I have black-and-white photos and would like to obtain surface contours. I'd prefer to do the processing on an SGI, but would be interested in hearing what software/hardware is used for this type of image processing. Please email and/or post to comp.sys.sgi.graphics your responses. Thanks, Dane Hendrix | email: dane@wizard.dt.navy.mil DTMB (a.k.a. Headquarters, Carderock Div.,| or hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil Naval Surface Warfare Center) | or hendrix@nas.nasa.gov Code 1542, Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 | phone: (301)227-1340 " 1625,15,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Should Christians fight? / Justifiable war Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 35 In article gideon@otago.ac.nz (Gideon King) writes: >I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and it doesn't seem to have appeared >on the newsgroup, and I haven't had a reply from the moderator. We were >having intermittent problems with our mail at the time. Please excuse me >if you have seen this before... > >Should Christians fight? > >Last week Alastair posted some questions about fighting, and whether there >are such things as ""justifiable wars"". I have started looking into these >things and have jotted down my findings as I go. I haven't answered all >his questions yet, and I know what I have here is on a slightly different >tack, but possibly I'll be able to get into it more deeply later, and post >some more info soon. May I suggest the book: ""Ethics"" by Dr. Norm Geisler, of Dallas Theological Seminary. In it, he goes over all the arguments pro and con and in-between, and comes up with a very reasonable answer. If I have time, and there is enough interest, I may post his position. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 1626,17,From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Happy Birthday Israel! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 2 Israel - Happy 45th Birthday! 1627,16,"From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is >>next? The Mormons or Jews? >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) I believe we still remember Masada, where Jews killed themselves rather than being captured by the Romans. While I do not agree with the Davidians, I must admire their willingness to die for what they believed, which Jews have had to do often. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) " 1628,7,From: pminocha@frx400.intel.com (Punit Minocha - QRE) Subject: SAAB Mailing list Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: frx400.intel.com Keywords: Saab Could someone out there please tell me how I could get onto the Saab mailing list. Specifically I need the address and instructions on what to do. Thanks in advance Pete 1629,15,"From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 48 In article johnsd2@rpi.edu writes: >In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: > >> Drugs are a replacement for Christ. >>Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must >>do something to ease the pain. > >I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know >who first came up with the ""God-shaped hole"" business? > >> This is why the most effective >>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual >>needs. > >You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim >like this. > In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective. Unfortunately, as evidence for God, this can be dismissed by stating that the same defect of personality makes substance abusers as makes people 'religious', and the debunker could perhaps acknowledge that being religious is a better crutch than being a drug addict, but still maintain that both are escapism. (And I suspect that there are some atheists who would find the substance abuse preferable to Christianity.) I think that an essential problem with communication between Christ- ians and atheists is that as Christians we necessarily see ourselves as incomplete, and needing God (the 'God-shaped hole'), while atheists necessarily see themselves as self-sufficient. If the atheists are right, Christians are guilty of being morally weak, and too cowardly to stand up for themselves; if the Christians are right, the atheists are guilty of considerable arrogance. (I use the term atheist to refer to a person who has a definite conviction that there is no God, as opposed to one who does not know and/or does not care about God.) == Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living, (seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds, | God will find his people busy Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds. No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. | I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan (let's see...I spelled 'sowing' right; I got the author's name right--maybe my 3rd iteration .sig will be a keeper.) " 1630,14,"From: palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.024423.29182@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) writes: >>I hear that it will supposedly coincide >>with the Atlanta Olympics. >Even worse, the city of Atlanta has a proposal before it to rent space on this >orbiting billboard. Considering the caliber of people running this city, >there's no telling what we're going to have leering down at us from orbit. I would just like to point out that it is much easier to place an object at orbital altitude than it is to place it with orbital velocity. For a target 300 km above the surface of Earth, you need a delta-v of 2.5 km/s. Assuming that rockets with specific impulses of 300 seconds are easy to produce, a rocket with a dry weight of 50 kg would require only about 65 kg of fuel+oxidizer. A small dispersal charge embedded in about 20 kg of sand or birdshot (depending on the nature of the structure) would be the payload. I am sure the whole project is well within the capability of the amateur rocketry community. It sounds like a good Science Fair project--'Reduction of Light Pollution Through Applied Ballistics'. Or, it could be part of the Challenge Prize being discussed here: $1 billion for the first person to spend 1 year on the moon, $1 million for the first erradication of an orbital eyesore/CCD burner. I wouldpledge $1000 for the first person to bring it down, and I am sure there are at least 999 other astronomers, nature lovers, or just plain people of good taste who would do likewise. Of course, a Gerald Bull solution might be simpler. (Either the solution Gerald Bull would apply--the use of a large caliber gun; or the solution which was applied to Gerald Bull--the use of a small caliber gun.) -- David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov " 1631,17,"From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Nntp-Posting-Host: darch Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 103 In article <1r94f9$ge3@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.204243.19392@cs.rit.edu>, >bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: >> >>I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that >>totally destroys Begin's whitewash. I have no particular desire >>to post it yet again. >> >>Brendan. >>(normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) > >You apparently think you are some sort of one-man judge and jury who So what are you? >can declare ""total"" victory and then sit back and enjoy the >applause. But you've picked the wrong topic if you think a few >rigged ""quotations"" can sustain the legend and lie of the Deir >Yassin ""massacre."" I don't think that, you are just making noise. >You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me, not from useless farts. >At the most basic level, you should know that there is a big >difference between weighing evidence fairly and merely finding >""quotations"" that support your preset opinions. Of course, I have said that more times in this group than anyone else, I'd think. >If you have studied the history of Israel at all you must know that >many of the sources of your ""quotations"" have an axe to grind, and >therefore you must be very careful about whom you ""quote."" For Quite true, that's why I am so careful in selecting quotes. >example, Meir Pa'il, whom you cite, was indeed a general, a scholar, >and a war hero. But that doesn't mean everything that comes out of >his mouth is gold. In fact (and here your lack of experience >shows), Pa'il is such a fanatic, embittered leftist that much of his Oh bullshit. Fanatic my bum. Prove your blah or cork it. >anti-Israel blathering (forget about anti-Irgun blathering) would be >considered something like treason in non-Israel contexts. But of >course you don't consider this AT ALL when you find a juicy >""quotation"" that you can use to attack Israel. How would you know what I consider? Read my mind? >Benny Morris (of Hashomer Hatzair) represents himself as a ""scholar"" >when he rehashes the old attacks on the Irgun. Don't be fooled. >It's just the old Zionist ideological catfight, surfacing as an >attack on the (then-) Likud government. If you will look closely at >the section on Deir Yassin in his book on the War of Independence, >you will see his ""indictment"" to be pure hot air. And this is the >BEST HE CAN DO after decades of digging for any sort of damning >evidence. Unfortunately for him, because his book parades itself as >""scholarly,"" he is forced to put footnotes. So you can clearly see >that his Deir Yassin account is based on nothing. I looked very closely at a large number of sources. You have no idea what you are talking about. >The Deir Yassin ""massacre"" never took place as the propagandists >tell it, any more than the Sabra and Shatila ""massacres."" Do you get That's true about the accounts of both Irgun and Arab propagandists. Like Begin, for example. >the feeling people like to blame the Jews for ""massacres,"" even if No, I never got that feeling. I got rather opposite feelings about people like you, though. >they have to make them up? It must sound spicy. Even some Jews >like to do it, for reasons of their own. Honesty? Perhaps you would explain the testimony from members of the Irgun, to be found in their own handwriting in the Irgun Archives in Tel Aviv, that the wounded Arabs were killed, that a group of 80 prisoners was massacred, that Lehi proposed exterminating everybody at the pre-raid meeting. Exactly what reasons can you propose that this testimony should be rejected in favour of Begin's? >Please, don't confuse any of you Deir Yassin ""massacre"" stuff >with facts or scholarship. You should stick to Begin's version >unless you find something serious to contradict it. This is very funny. You carried on about unsupported evidence, propagandists, axes to grind, and you end up telling us to stick to the account of the leader of the alleged killers. You are obviously a hopeless case, as everyone can plainly see. >Vic Brendan. " 1632,10,"From: kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK) Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 34 In article <9505@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.232038.26593@julian.uwo.ca> kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK) writes: >>First off, anyone accepted into the Western Business School is not a dork. >>Second, just because one person out of a country of 27 Million doesn't think >>before he/she posts an article, does NOT mean that he/she is embarrasing >>Canada. This network is for expressing what you feel are your thoughts. Just >>because someone doesn't agree with you, this does not give you the right to >>call them assholes. Anyways, the North Stars are SHIT!!!!!!!!! > >Actually, I think it does give people the privilege of calling folks >like you assholes. Although my own asshole might take offense at being >grouped in with a bunch of losers like you. > >I've never heard of the Western Business School, anyhow. Probably a >chickenshit place. > >rick Losers like us? You are the fucking moron who has never heard of the Western Business School, or the University of Western Ontario for that matter. Why don't you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than shit for once so you can look on a map to see where UWO is! Back to hockey, the North Stars should be moved because for the past few years they have just been SHIT. A real team like Toronto would never be moved!!! Andrew-- -- Andrew Kirk University of Western Ontario London, Ontario GO LEAFS GO! " 1633,4,"From: smedley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Steven Medley) Subject: 72-pin SIMMS, where? Distribution: usa Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: pigface.ecst.csuchico.edu I am looking for a 8 meg 72-pin SIMM for my Centris 610. Where is the best place to purchase one (stock, shipping, warrenty), and if possible, phone numbers so that I can order one as soon as possible. Thanks, Steven -- ""And hope that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space"" Monty Python "" 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth"" The Meaning of Life ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Medley email to-> smedley@erasure.ecst.csuchico.edu " 1634,6,"From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) Subject: Typewriter w/computer interface Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Reply-To: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: erex.east.sun.com I have the following item for sale: Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's great if you need to send letter with ""typewriter look"". In stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several ""effects"" like underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/ line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the interface ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jorge Lach Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1635,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much > worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" to > argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main > concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) I agree. This is the danger I see, not the system itself. That is to say, this is a political issue, not a technical one. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 1636,15,"From: rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Lines: 56 In jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: >I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my >wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few >years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's >driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is >that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how >to do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we >present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers. [ . . . ] Having lived through the kicking and screaming in the 60s and 70s as the Catholics were invited to participate in the liturgy instead of counting their rosary beads during Mass, I find this comment interesting. There is a _massively_ longer tradition for proclaiming the Passion accounts without active participation. If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. This is actually the basis for the common proclamation of the Passion that John would prefer. But there is always a judgement call based on pastoral considerations. Each pastor makes his own decisions (it isn't a church-wide conspiracy against participation). The Palm Sunday liturgy, with its initial blessing and distribution of the palms and procession, is already getting long before you get to the Passion; some pastors feel that they should not make the people stand through that long narrative. Also, the orchestrated proclamation with multiple readers and public participation in the crowd quotations runs longer than the single-reader proclamation --- in churches with multiple Masses for the Sunday, it might be necessary to go with the briefer options just to ""get 'em in and get 'em out"". Each parish is different. Catholics are no longer canonically tied to their geographic parishes. It is possible that another Catholic parish in the Columbus area (based on the Ohio State address) has a liturgy closer to your preferences. Or talk to some of your fellow parishioners and see how common your preferences are --- pastors generally ARE willing to listen to non-confrontational requests. Though you probably should bring along a paramedic in case he reacts too strongly to the shock of people asked for a _longer_ Sunday Mass. Perhaps the problem is that recent liturgical development hasn't follow the continuous evolution model (the accumulation of small changes, no single one of which is too hard to take) but rather the punctuated equilibrium model (things stay the same and we get accustomed to them, then the marked mutation hits). {My apologies if I am mis-remembering the names of the evolutionary theories.} -- --- Tim Rolfe rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu rolfe@junior.dsu.edu RolfeT@columbia.dsu.edu " 1637,1,"From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan) Subject: Re: Any graphics packages available for AIX ? Organization: LESC Lines: 20 In <1993Apr8.122037.19260@sun1x.res.utc.com> mark@sun1x.res.utc.com (MARK STUCKY) writes: >In <1pr9qnINNiag@tahko.lpr.carel.fi>, > Ari Suutari (ari@tahko.lpr.carel.fi) wrote: > > Does anybody know if there are any good 2d-graphics packages > > available for IBM RS/6000 & AIX ? I'm looking for something > > like DEC's GKS or Hewlett-Packards Starbase, both of which > > have reasonably good support for different output devices > > like plotters, terminals, X etc. Try graPHIGS from IBM... It is an excellent package! :^) Doug -- Doug Egan ""It's not what you got - Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. It's what you give."" Houston, TX -Tesla ***** email: egan@blkbox.com ***** " 1638,13,"From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: coyoacan.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: > I think that's the correct spelling.. The proper spelling is Kirlian. It was an effect discoverd by S. Kirlian, a soviet film developer in 1939. As I recall, the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver halides in the films. -- Tarl Neustaedter Stratus Computer tarl@sw.stratus.com Marlboro, Mass. Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions. " 1639,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 114 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: >Brian Kendig writes: > >>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, >>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. >>Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments >>before, and they just don't convince me. > >Ask Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It >isn't a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for >a persuasive argument. Read Jesus's own reply to your >question. John 12:24-26: ""Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls onto the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. ""He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. ""If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."" Why would I want an eternal life if I hate this one? If we were created by a deity, why would that deity not wish us to enjoy what he has given us? Why would I want to live forever? The challenge in my life is that I will die, and that I must give my life the meaning I wish it to have before that happens. My time is here and will someday pass; I will be content to live on in the memories of my friends, and once they too are dead, then I will no longer have any reason to exist. In short: even if your deity *does* exist, that doesn't automatically mean that I would worship it. I am content to live my own life, and fend for myself, so when I die, I can be proud of the fact that no matter where I end up, it will be because of *my* actions and *my* choices. If your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this, then so be it. I would much rather just cease to exist. But if your god wants my respect and my obedience, then it had better earn these; and if it does, then they will be very strong and true. >Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason >why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with >his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that >we would ""stop doubting and believe"" (John 21:27). The fact >that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise >from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. >Without this obvious point, I would have no hope >and my faith would be vanity. Jesus wasn't the only one who rose from the dead -- I think it was Osiris who did the same, as well as a few characters from Greek or Norse legend, if memory serves. But still: WHY would I want to rise from the dead? Why do *you* want to? >Why did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus >says why in John 15:18-25. That's no mystery either. ""The >world hates him without reason."" It is a direct proclamation >of how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we >need a Saviour. If your god wants to win my devotion, then it knows what it can do -- provide some way for me to believe without having to resort to blind faith that could be applied equally well to any religion. >And why can't you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? ""The >world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows >him."" (John 14:17). That's precisely it. I neither see nor know Zeus either, nor Odin. Shall I offer them the same devotion I offer Jesus? >The animosity and the lack of knowledge >that comes out in your twistings of Robert's daily verses is >very convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25. You've got to understand my point-of-view: I see Christians spouting Bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that will level all opposition. Truth is, it's not. Robert has never demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply; he just rattles them off day by day. Some brazenly fly in the face of common sense and reality, and I point these out where I can. But even more than that, even when Christians *do* try to explain the verses in their own words, they do so from a Christian point of view, which is that every human being would want to be a Christian if only he or she understood the Christian message properly, and then all strife and suffering on the earth would end. Here's the problem with that: substitute ""Moslem"" or ""Buddhist"" or ""Satanist"" instead of ""Christian"", and it means the same thing. Christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book. But if you want to make me believe that it has any bearing on the REAL WORLD, you've got some convincing to do. >I pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of >knowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank >God that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I'd also be >bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very >Person who created me and who loves me. And in my opinion, you're bumbling about blindly making up entities where there aren't any, and depriving yourself of a true understanding and enjoyment of your life. As long as you keep your beliefs to yourself, I'll keep my beliefs to myself -- but as soon as you start waving them around, expect me to toss in my opinions, too. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 1640,18,"From: redekop@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Welsh Farm Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 16 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >So, one >should properly write ""Who's promiscuous?"" The answer is: ""Many >homosexuals are."" Not quite. The answer is: Many homosexuals, heterosexual, and bisexuals are, but then, many are not. Or, more simply: Lots of people are. -- o- Tzoq ""I am a good speller, I am -- C-A-T, dog... ^ ^ O o- tzoq@uwo.ca B-A-T, Rhode Island..."" `v' o- redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca -- Junyer Bear ^ = Bernoulli would have been content to die, had he but known such a^2 cos 2phi = " 1641,9,"From: barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Summary: a few names Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 9 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >maybe John Lowenstein. Lowenstein is NOT Jewish. However, there is a long list including Hank Greenberg, Moe Berg, Rod Carew (a convert), the Sherry brothers, Art Shamsky, and Ron Blomberg. Barry " 1642,4,"From: josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: orbit.src.umd.edu I do not have this type of problem, but at one point an Apple rep told me that Duo's ""System Enabler"" file version 1.0.1 fixes some kind of sleep-related problem. You may want to investigate this... -Josip Loncaric " 1643,14,"From: jbreed@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed) Subject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Nntp-Posting-Host: doink Reply-To: jbreed@ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 10 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: |> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about |> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent |> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block our view of them either. What am I missing? Jim " 1644,4,"From: Ravi Konchigeri Subject: Re: LCIII problems X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 03:12:01 GMT Organization: Stanford University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 18 Finally got my computer fixed and I'd like to sum up. About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad sector or something) was an IBM. The new one is a Quantum. Is the LCIII supposed to be shipped with IBMs? Is there a quality difference? Apparently! :) Second, about hard drive position. I've put the LCIII on its side and the new 160 HD has had no problems at all. I've even switched back and forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems. As far as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up to 160 meg, in any computer. Don't know about CD-ROM, though. ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."" Ravi Konchigeri. mongoose@leland.stanford.edu " 1645,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 24 In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family >sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the >*brakes.* That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, drums rear. Your argument still boils down to ""An SHO shouldn't be driven fast because I, Jim Frost, say it isn't designed to go fast."" Pffffftttttt. >If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings. Damn straight. You're one of those people who makes stuff up and tries to pawn it off as God's own truth. If I want lies I can go listen to television. the wharf rat " 1646,1,"From: daniel@lclark.edu (Daniel Snodgrass) Subject: Re: stand alone editing suite. Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Apr20.191542.9392 Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 63 In article <1qvkaeINNgat@shelley.u.washington.edu> eylerken@stein.u.washington.edu (Ken Eyler) writes: >I need some help. We are upgrading our animation/video editing stand. We >are looking into the different type of setups for A/B roll and a cuts only >station. We would like this to be controlled by a computer ( brand doesnt matter but maybe MAC, or AMIGA). Low end to high end system setups would be very >helpful. If you have a system or use a system that might be of use, could you >mail me your system requirements, what it is used for, and all the hardware and >software that will be necessary to set the system up. If you need more >info, you can mail me at eylerken@u.washington.edu > >thanks in advance. > >:ken >:eylerken@u.washington.edu Here at Lewis and Clark College we have recently installed a Digital Film system (based on the Mac Quadra) that does non-linear, full digital editing. If you're considering such a system, here are the pros and cons: For the educational environment, this system is excellent. We use it to produce a variety of educational materials for disemination on our local network. Because this programming is going to be viewed on other Macs, the image quality is not as important as the ability to directly export the video to the Net. We also use it to produce orientiation and promotional video programs for use by the Lewis & Clark community. Since these programs are not meant for commercial or broadcast use, image quality is not critical. The Digital Film system, for those of you who are uninitiated, is an A/B roll digitizing system on one $5000 JPEG compression card. It was promoted as an inexpensive online editing system with SVHS quality. SuperMac, the maker of the card, is trying to achieve this quality level, but as yet, has been unable to deliver. Our system produces ""near VHS"" quality at 30 fields per second (640x480 overscan). The card repeats every other field to get 60 fields per second. This results in a kind of Super 8 film look that some find distracting. If you can get past this problem, you'll find the Adobe Premier editing software quite enjoyable with which to work. It produces thousands of different effects from crystalize filters to DVE transitions to color matting. Because of its non-linear nature, editing is fast and easy. If you've ever used (or seen used) an AVID or Montage system, you'll recognize the methodology and the user interface. The total system with Quadra 950 (40Megs of RAM), 1 gig drive, 21"" Apple mon- itor, Panasonic SVHS 1960 edit deck, audio gear (cassette, CD, EQ, mixer, etc), Composite monitor, Digital Film card will set you back about $20,000. For you video cowboys and girls, this system will not output at a quality that will satisfy most of your clients. Even though you can perform more effects than a toasterhead can imagine, an Amiga based off-line based system will look better. We use both Macs and Amigas for our video work. Each for what each does best! Dan Snodgrass Media Services Lewis & Clark College Portland " 1647,7,"From: mac1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) Subject: 1st time Chrysler buyer, $400 off really ? Summary: $400 off Keywords: $400 off Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 13 Hello World, just bought a new Stealth two weeks ago. Got a grad student rebate. Someone told me that there's another $400 reabet for 1st time Chrysler buyer. True ? If yes can I still get it or am I too late ? Mubashir Cheema Sparco Communications Ph: (601) 323-5360 LaGalarie Fax:(601) 324-6433 500 Russell Street, Suite 20 email: mac1@ra.msstate.edu Starkville, MS 39759 " 1648,7,"From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Re: LH car order delay Article-I.D.: shaman.3038 Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon Lines: 13 [] ""I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that Chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L engine for it's LH cars. Can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told they'll have to wait??"" Ordered mine December 30, got it nine weeks later. But the dealer said that *new* orders were being held up -- he didn't expect to see any more 3.5L-engine LHs for awhile. -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) " 1649,8,"From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA Lines: 18 In article <1qt19d$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote: > >Let me guess. You were making a left turn, correct? The edge of the stud >contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself. If you had >been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. Bzzzt! Thanks for playing. If he'd been making a right turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the ground. Michael -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | | Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ " 1650,15,"From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 22 James Sledd (jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu) wrote: : Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... : I've been wondering if anyone would ever ask the question, : Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving : to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are : muslims? : Can/Does God use those who are not following him to accomplish : tasks for him? Esp those tasks that are punative? : James Sledd : no cute sig.... but I'm working on it. Are you suggesting that God supports genocide? Perhaps the Germans were ""punishing"" Jews on God's behalf? Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of my worship or faith. revdak@netcom.com " 1651,10,"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) Subject: Re: Schedule... Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) Organization: none Lines: 18 In article <121411@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: >In article <1qup1lINNotb@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: >F**king *NO* hockey games televised nationally tonight! What the hell is >this??? Why the hell is ESPN showing some stupid baseball game, when >baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the >playoffs??? No, wait, I know the answer: $$$$$$ But still! It really . . . ESPN had the Houston Astros @ Chicago Cubs game scheduled for last night on the west coast. Since the game was rained out, they showed the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Detroit Red Wings game instead. Stan Willis net contact: LA Kings " 1652,10,"From: desperate fan Subject: HELP! WC coverage in Europe Originator: tervo@messi.uku.fi Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland Lines: 6 Vielen dank Desperate Fan PS. Sweden vs Finland finished 6-6 in Gothenburg 15th Apr. " 1653,9,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Re: Rockies need some relief Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr18.225740.15978@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes: >shaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three ^^^^ >picthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning ^^^^^^^^ >be taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading ^^^ Geez, can I type or what? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1654,7,"From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 9 callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: : >> : >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if : >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your : >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there : >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. : I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car? " 1655,13,"From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: accord2 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 48 >>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? >> As a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!! Somebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY! IS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF? IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE FOOD IS POOR QUALITY? DO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK? DO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...) THAT MSG CORRECTS? I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! ALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp) and sulfites... Why them? There are safer ways to preserve food, wines, and beers! I think 1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as large as those on cig. packages. 2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these substances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and SULFITES on the package. 3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5. For that matter why dye food? 4) Take the dyes and flavorings out of vitamins. (In my OSCO only Stress Tabs (tm) didn't have yellow dye #5) { My doctor says Yellow Dye #5 is responsible for 1/2 of all nasal polyps !!! } KEEP FOOD FOOD! QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK! JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH. Sig: A person tired of getting sick from this junk! -- Walter Lundby -- Walter Lundby " 1656,4,"From: chungkuo@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Shawn FitzGerald) Subject: Quadra 900 startup w/out monitor...ya right. Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor connected all the time. -- Horsefeathers? Shawn FitzGerald UMCC (U of M Computing Club) Michigan chungkuo@umcc.umich.edu ""Whether you are quiet and alive, or quiet and dead makes no difference to Cerebus."" " 1657,16,"From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) Subject: Re: Nazi memoribilia Nntp-Posting-Host: taos Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division Lines: 38 In article , cmay@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Christopher C May) writes: |> In <1993Apr2.232511.10711@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool) writes: |> |> >Swatikas were also common in American Indian markings/painted walls etc. Is |> >it the Swastika that is bad? |> |> Just want to back this up with a personal anecdote. My grandparents |> have a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade |> from the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona. The decorative motif |> consists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner. What's more, the |> color scheme is black, white, and red. To the casual glance it would |> undoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind. Yet they owned it |> ten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power. |> |> As I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right |> about putting it back up until the 60's. It still draws comments from |> those who don't know what it is. Having lived, played, and worked on and near the Navajo reservation for a number of years, I can confirm this is an ancient pattern, found in petroglyphs dated 800 to 1200 years old. Also, the Indians never stopped making rugs with this pattern - they just stopped selling them after the Nazi's pre-empted the swastika. Note also that the Indian versions use both clockwise and counter-clockwise swastikas. Ob guns: It's the rare Navaho family that doesn't own a rifle. They remember being ""relocated"" by the US Army, and don't intend to do it again. The Hopi, on the other hand, have a dislike for weapons, from my experience. Perhaps they just hide them better from strangers. -- Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) " 1658,7,"From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver) Subject: Re: WAX RESIDUE ON BLACK MOLDING Organization: What you won't find on my desk. Lines: 17 Sayeth ""Joseph D. Mazza"" : $I waxed my car a few months ago with a liquid wax and now have whiteish $smears where I inadvertantly got some wax on the black plastic molding. $I've tried repeatedly to remove the smears with no luck. I'm on the $verge of replacing the molding altogether (it's a nice car). Armor All removes Raindance wax on my Mazda Protege's black plastic bumpers. Your mileage may vary. Given this observation, one would be well advised to take care not to get any of this (or, probably, similar protectants such as Son of a Gun) on one's paint ... -- |I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat. Void where prohibited.| |Have you seen this boy? Lust never sleeps. I say hurl. Honey, I'm | |home. _________________________________________________________________| |_____/ silver@bokonon.UUCP ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver | " 1659,17,"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 63 JLE the Great writes: [JLE] Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it [JLE] take to kill a 5 year old native child? [JLE] A: Four [JLE] Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, [JLE] and one writes up a false report. A couple of months ago JLE wrote a terrible C program (it would never have passed compilation). This is one describes JLE the Great. ---- 8< Cut Here and save to jle.c ----------- >8 ---------- #include #include #define LOSER 0x01 #define CHILDISH 0x01 #define UNHUMORISTIC 0x01 #define VULGAR 0x01 #define MOSSAD_AGENT 0x01 #define J_L_E LOSER | CHILDISH | UNHUMORISTIC | VULGAR | MOSSAD_AGENT static void abort() { printf(""Even if she wanted, JLE's mother couldn't abort this program""); printf(""\n\n\n\n""); } void main() { signal(SIGINT,abort); printf(""This program does not help Jewish-Arab relations :-( \n""); printf(""Hit ^C to abort \n""); /* Infinite loop, JLE never comes out of his world */ while(J_L_E); } ---- 8< Cut Here ----------- >8 ---------- To compile this ""wonderfool"" program on a unix machine try. cc -o jle jle.c or make jle then type jle at your prompt. I tried it, it works great ... Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. " 1660,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 03/10 - Basic Cryptology Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 187 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 3 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Basic Cryptology. Definitions of basic terms. Beginner references. Cryptanalysis and theoretical/practical strength of ciphers. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part03 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 3: Basic Cryptology This is the third of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? * How does one go about cryptanalysis? * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? The story begins: When Julius Caesar sent messages to his trusted acquaintances, he didn't trust the messengers. So he replaced every A by a C, every B by a D, and so on through the alphabet. Only someone who knew the ``shift by 2'' rule could decipher his messages. A cryptosystem or cipher system is a method of disguising messages so that only certain people can see through the disguise. Cryptography is the art of creating and using cryptosystems. Cryptanalysis is the art of breaking cryptosystems---seeing through the disguise even when you're not supposed to be able to. Cryptology is the study of both cryptography and cryptanalysis. The original message is called a plaintext. The disguised message is called a ciphertext. Encryption means any procedure to convert plaintext into ciphertext. Decryption means any procedure to convert ciphertext into plaintext. A cryptosystem is usually a whole collection of algorithms. The algorithms are labelled; the labels are called keys. For instance, Caesar probably used ``shift by n'' encryption for several different values of n. It's natural to say that n is the key here. The people who are supposed to be able to see through the disguise are called recipients. Other people are enemies, opponents, interlopers, eavesdroppers, or third parties. * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? For an introduction to technical matter, the survey articles given in part 10 are the best place to begin as they are, in general, concise, authored by competent people, and well written. However, these articles are mostly concerned with cryptology as it has developed in the last 50 years or so, and are more abstract and mathematical than historical. The Codebreakers by Kahn [KAH67] is encyclopedic in its history and technical detail of cryptology up to the mid-60's. Introductory cryptanalysis can be learned from Gaines [GAI44] or Sinkov [SIN66]. This is recommended especially for people who want to devise their own encryption algorithms since it is a common mistake to try to make a system before knowing how to break one. The selection of an algorithm for the DES drew the attention of many public researchers to problems in cryptology. Consequently several textbooks and books to serve as texts have appeared. The book of Denning [DEN82] gives a good introduction to a broad range of security including encryption algorithms, database security, access control, and formal models of security. Similar comments apply to the books of Price & Davies [PRI84] and Pfleeger [PFL89]. The books of Konheim [KON81] and Meyer & Matyas [MEY82] are quite technical books. Both Konheim and Meyer were directly involved in the development of DES, and both books give a thorough analysis of DES. Konheim's book is quite mathematical, with detailed analyses of many classical cryptosystems. Meyer and Matyas concentrate on modern cryptographic methods, especially pertaining to key management and the integration of security facilities into computer systems and networks. The books of Rueppel [RUE86] and Koblitz [KOB89] concentrate on the application of number theory and algebra to cryptography. * How does one go about cryptanalysis? Classical cryptanalysis involves an interesting combination of analytical reasoning, application of mathematical tools, pattern finding, patience, determination, and luck. The best available textbooks on the subject are the Military Cryptanalytics series [FRIE1]. It is clear that proficiency in cryptanalysis is, for the most part, gained through the attempted solution of given systems. Such experience is considered so valuable that some of the cryptanalyses performed during WWII by the Allies are still classified. Modern public-key cryptanalysis may consist of factoring an integer, or taking a discrete logarithm. These are not the traditional fare of the cryptanalyst. Computational number theorists are some of the most successful cryptanalysts against public key systems. * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? In a nutshell: If f(x) = y and you know y and can compute f, you can find x by trying every possible x. That's brute-force search. Example: Say a cryptanalyst has found a plaintext and a corresponding ciphertext, but doesn't know the key. He can simply try encrypting the plaintext using each possible key, until the ciphertext matches---or decrypting the ciphertext to match the plaintext, whichever is faster. Every well-designed cryptosystem has such a large key space that this brute-force search is impractical. Advances in technology sometimes change what is considered practical. For example, DES, which has been in use for over 10 years now, has 2^56, or about 10^17, possible keys. A computation with this many operations was certainly unlikely for most users in the mid-70's. The situation is very different today given the dramatic decrease in cost per processor operation. Massively parallel machines threaten the security of DES against brute force search. Some scenarios are described by Garron and Outerbridge [GAR91]. One phase of a more sophisticated cryptanalysis may involve a brute-force search of some manageably small space of possibilities. * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? The security of a strong system resides with the secrecy of the key rather than with an attempt to keep the algorithm itself secret. A strong cryptosystem has a large keyspace, as mentioned above. The unicity distance is a measure which gives the minimum amount of ciphertext that must be intercepted to uniquely identify the key and if for some key, the unicity distance is much longer than the amount of ciphertext you intend to encrypt under that key, the system is probably strong. A strong cryptosystem will certainly produce ciphertext which appears random to all standard statistical tests (see, for example, [CAE90]). A strong cryptosystem will resist all known previous attacks. A system which has never been subjected to scrutiny is suspect. If a system passes all the tests mentioned above, is it necessarily strong? Certainly not. Many weak cryptosystems looked good at first. However, sometimes it is possible to show that a cryptosystem is strong by mathematical proof. ``If Joe can break this system, then he can also solve the well-known difficult problem of factoring integers.'' See part 6. Failing that, it's a crap shoot. * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? Cryptanalytic methods include what is known as ``practical cryptanalysis'': the enemy doesn't have to just stare at your ciphertext until he figures out the plaintext. For instance, he might assume ``cribs''---stretches of probable plaintext. If the crib is correct then he might be able to deduce the key and then decipher the rest of the message. Or he might exploit ``isologs''---the same plaintext enciphered in several cryptosystems or several keys. Thus he might obtain solutions even when cryptanalytic theory says he doesn't have a chance. Sometimes, cryptosystems malfunction or are misused. The one-time pad, for example, loses all security if it is used more than once! Even chosen-plaintext attacks, where the enemy somehow feeds plaintext into the encryptor until he can deduce the key, have been employed. See [KAH67]. * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? Some don't know any better. Often amateurs think they can design secure systems, and are not aware of what an expert cryptanalyst could do. And sometimes there is insufficient motivation for anybody to invest the work needed to crack a system. " 1661,5,"From: mcc@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu (George McClintock) Subject: Re: XDM & DECnet ? In-Reply-To: mahan@TGV.COM's message of 21 Apr 1993 00:59:04 -0400 Organization: Graduate School and University Center, C.U.N.Y, New York Lines: 24 While I cannot answer questions about running XDM over a DECnet, I can say that the following defines must be added to the site.def before building R5 before any X clients will work over a DECnet. From site.def #define ConnectionFlags -DTCPCONN -DUNIXCONN -DDNETCONN #define ExtraLibraries -ldnet Hoping this helps, George -- /******************************************************************* * The opinions expressed are those of the author and in no way * * represent the opinions of the CUNY Graduate School, its agencies * * or personnel. mcc@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu || CMCGC@CUNYVM.BITNET * *******************************************************************/ -- /******************************************************************* * The opinions expressed are those of the author and in no way * * represent the opinions of the CUNY Graduate School, its agencies * * or personnel. mcc@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu || CMCGC@CUNYVM.BITNET * " 1662,5,"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) Subject: Looking for updated XView textedit source (w/d-n-d support) Article-I.D.: armory.1ri2o2$3hm Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32 The XView version 3 source distribution included in the contrib section of X11R5 included the source to the textedit program. I'd like to take the sources and modify them to add support for a ToolTalk-like message server, and maybe for ToolTalk while I'm at it, since the Sun-supplied textedit binary doesn't seem to speak tooltalk. However, the sources in the R5 contrib area seem to be for an older version of textedit than the version shipped with OpenWindows 3. For example, the OWN 3.0 textedit includes drag and drop support and a dropsite in the main control area, while the source in contrib/xview knows nothing about drag and drop. The textedit.c included in the xview sources says it's version 15.50, dated 5/22/90, while doing a 'what textedit' on the OWN 3.0 binary says: textedit.c 2.62 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro dragdrop.c 1.26 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro tooltalk.c 2.16 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro ds_relname.c 1.7 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro So, does anyone know if the 9/14/91 sources to textedit are available? I'd really like to work from the latest source if possible. Please reply by email, and I'll post a summary if there's enough interest. -- Matt Landau Waiting for a flash of enlightenment matt@centerline.com in all this blood and thunder " 1663,17,"From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr15.090735.17025@news.columbia.edu> ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes: >In article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: >>In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: >>It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely >>predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril >>well before the Arab invasion. >How do you define war? Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages >count as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them? I would hope that if you intend to have a reasonable discussion you might wait until I express an opinion before deciding I should be flamed for it. As for 'war' I am not sure how I would define it. If you just look at attacks on villages then there is no way of deciding when it started. Would you count the riots in the 20's and 30's? Violence but not war. I personally think that 'war', as opposed to civil disturbance or whatever, requires organisation, planning and some measure of regualr or semi-regular forces. Perhaps the Arab Liberation Army counts. I could easily be convinced it was so. From what I know they did not have a great deal of planning let alone organisation. The Haganah and Palmach certainly did. That is not a cause for criticism, it merely reflects the great organisation generally in the 'Zionist' camp. >Of course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking. Now you are being silly aren't you? In any case the war did NOT start with the invasion of the Arab Armies. You see we both agree on something. And the previous posters were wrong, no? >Just like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets >against Northern israel. Where does uprising end and war begin? Again I am not sure, I doubt you want my opinion anyway, but I think war requires organisation as I said before. It needs a group to command and plan. If Fatah lauches rockets from Southern Lebanon (and are you sure you have the right group - not the Moslems again?) then that sounds like war to me. Stone throwing does not. Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. " 1664,3,"From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) Subject: What video board for my system? Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 40 Reply-To: David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu I'd appreciate any advice about a video card for my system: 486-33 DX, 16 mb of ram on a Novell 3.11 network Monitor: NEC 4FGe, capable of 76 Hz vertical refresh rate Major considerations: I expect I will work mostly in windows, but with some DOS applications and I would want decent speed in DOS. I do mostly word processing, database and communications--not much intensive graphics. With a 15"" monitor, I expect I will work mostly in 800X600 and 256 colors seems plenty, but I'd like like the image to be sharp, fast, and rock solid. Other considerations: I sometimes run a Unix clone (Coherent) and I understand that some companies (e.g. Diamond?) don't encourage the third-party development of drivers. I might move to OS/2 if I decide I need better speed and reliability than I get with Windows for my database work and multitasking. I don't have a local bus motherboard--I'm not sure how much to invest in an ISA video board (versus getting something less expensive now and upgrading to local bus later). I like buying things from companies that treat their customers well. If you have any advice for me, I'd love to hear it via email or post. Thanks. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| |Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| |Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ ____ Fax: 413/545-0996| " 1665,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion Keywords: advice, pillion, help! Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 40 In article rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: >I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. >This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride >(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, >fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). You sonuvabitch. Rub it in, why don't you? ""We have great weather and great roads here, unlike the rest of you putzes in the U.S. Nyah, nyah, nyah."" :-) for the severely humor-impaired. >This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much >of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? >I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and >I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're >turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional >signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? You'll likely not notice her weight too much. A piece of advice for you: don't be abrupt with the throttle. No wheelies, accelerate a wee bit more slowly than usual. Consciously worry about spitting her off the back. It's as much your job to keep her on the pillion as it is hers, and I guarantee she'll be put off by the bike ripping out from under her when you whack it open. Keep the lean angles pretty tame the first time out too. You and her need to learn each other's body English. She needs to learn what your idea is about how to take the turn, and you need to learn her idea of ""shit! Don't crash now!"" so you don't work at cross purposes while leaned over. You can work up to more aggressive riding over time. A very important thing: tell her to put her hand against the tank when you brake--this could save you some severely crushed cookies. Have fun, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 1666,8,"From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: insect impacts Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>> >>>how _do_ the helmetless do it? >> >>Um, the same way people do it on >>horseback > >not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat flies, thank you. >>jeeps > >you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up then why does it go down? >>snow skis > >NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles So do most helmetless motorcyclists. >The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets >stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings? helmetless != goggleless --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 1667,16,"From: kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... In-Reply-To: arf@genesis.MCS.COM's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 21 > From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) > Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... > Date: 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500 > > I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in > our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward > one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished > values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the > clues....Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that > we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty. ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year! Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are acceptable than it iss to lament the passing of the old forms. " 1668,14,"From: MAILRP%ESA.BITNET@vm.gmd.de Subject: message from Space Digest X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 58 Joint Press release ESA/UN No 18-93 Paris, 19 April 1993 UN/ESA joint training course on satellite applications to be held in Italy, 19-30 April The United Nations and the European Space Agency (ESA) are jointly organising a training course on the applications of satellite data gathered by the European Remote Sensing Satellite (ERS-1), to be held in Frascati, Italy, from 19 to 30 April. The training course will discuss the applications of satellite data concerning natural resources, renewable energy and the environment. The training course, organised for the benefit of francophone African experts, will be hosted by ESRIN, the European Space Agency's establishment in Frascati, which is responsible for coordination with the users of data from ESA's remote sensing satellite. Twenty-four experts in the field of remote sensing, selected from 19 francophone countries from northern, western and central Africa, and three regional African centres, will attend the two-week session. The course will focus on remote sensing techniques and data applications, particularly ERS-1 data. The ERS-1 satellite, developed by ESA and launched in 1991 with the European Ariane launcher, carries an advanced radar instrument and is the first in a series of radar remote sensing missions that will ensure availability of data beyond the year 2000. The aim of the training course is to increase the potential of experts using the practical applications of radar remote sensing systems to natural resources, renewable energy and the environment, with particular emphasis on applications to geology and mineral prospecting, oceanography and near- coastal areas, agriculture, forestry and meteorology. The education and practical training programme was developed jointly by the United Nations and ESA. The facilities and the technical support, as well as lecturers and information documents for the training course, will be provided by the Agency. Lecturers at the training course will include high-level experts from other European and African organisations active in remote sensing applications. Funds for the training course are being provided by the United Nations Trust Fund for New and Renewable Sources of Energy; the primary contributor to that Fund is the Government of Italy. A similar training course is being planned for Latin American experts. " 1669,12,"From: cbruno@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher James Bruno) Subject: Coil Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Hey everyone, I'm new to this newsgroup so please excuse me if this is a dumb question....I want to build a crossover for my stereo and I need a coil with an inductance of 6.8mH (actually I need 4). I was wondering if anyone knew where I could buy these or how to make these. I've called many places and no one I can find sells them. If you have the answers just E - mail me.... Thanks in advance.... Chris " 1670,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: As today marks the 78th anniversary of the Turkish Genocide... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 65 In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes: >or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see >it happen again... Is this the joke of the month? 1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. 2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during WWII. 3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children and elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last four years. The entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. During the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the unity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish and Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle for that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds. Today, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United States and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative Events, be they cultural, political or religious. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 1671,1,"From: jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Keywords: point, polygon Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping Lines: 129 scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: >I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a >polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing >information on the subject ? Well, it's been a while since this was discussed so i take the liberty of reprinting (without permission, so sue me) Eric Haines reprint of the very interesting discussion of this topic... /Jonas O / \ O ------------------------- X snip snip X ------------------------------ O \ / O ""Give a man a fish, and he'll eat one day. Give a man a fishing rod, and he'll laze around fishing and never do anything."" With that in mind, I reprint (without permission, so sue me) relevant information posted some years ago on this very problem. Note the early use of PostScript technology, predating many of this year's papers listed in the April 1st SIGGRAPH Program Announcement posted here a few days ago. -- Eric Intersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??), by Dave Baraff, Tom Duff From: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics Keywords: P, NP, Jordan curve separation, Ursyhon Metrization Theorem Organization: Program of Computer Graphics In article [...] ncsmith@ndsuvax.UUCP (Timothy Lyle Smith) writes: > > I need to find a formula/algorithm to determine if a line intersects > a polygon. I would prefer a method that would do this in as little > time as possible. I need this for use in a forward raytracing > program. I think that this is a very difficult problem. To start with, lines and polygons are semi-algebraic sets which both contain uncountable number of points. Here are a few off-the-cuff ideas. First, we need to check if the line and the polygon are separated. Now, the Jordan curve separation theorem says that the polygon divides the plane into exactly two open (and thus non-compact) regions. Thus, the line lies completely inside the polygon, the line lies completely outside the polygon, or possibly (but this will rarely happen) the line intersects the polyon. Now, the phrasing of this question says ""if a line intersects a polygon"", so this is a decision problem. One possibility (the decision model approach) is to reduce the question to some other (well known) problem Q, and then try to solve Q. An answer to Q gives an answer to the original decision problem. In recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a new language called PostScript. (See ""PostScript Language"", by Adobe Systems Incorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985). So, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that draws the line L and the polygon P, and then ""outputs"" the answer. By ""output"", we mean the program executes a command called ""showpage"", which actually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick examination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus the original problem. There are two small problems with this approach. (1) There is an infinite number of ways to encode L and P into the reduced problem Q. So, we will be forced to invoke the Axiom of Choice (or equivalently, Zorn's Lemma). But the use of the Axiom of Choice is not regarded in a very serious light these days. (2) More importantly, the question arises as to whether or not the PostScript program Q will actually output a piece of paper; or in other words, will it halt? Now, PostScript is expressive enough to encode everything that a Turing Machine might do; thus the halting problem (for PostScript) is undecidable. It is quite possible that the original problem will turn out to be undecidable. I won't even begin to go into other difficulties, such as aliasing, finite precision and running out of ink, paper or both. A couple of references might be: 1. Principia Mathematica. Newton, I. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England. (Sorry, I don't have an ISBN# for this). 2. An Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation. Hopcroft, J and Ulman, J. 3. The C Programming Language. Kernighan, B and Ritchie, D. 4. A Tale of Two Cities. Dickens, C. -------- From: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff) Summary: Overkill. Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ The situation is not nearly as bleak as Baraff suggests (he should know better, he's hung around The Labs for long enough). By the well known Dobbin-Dullman reduction (see J. Dullman & D. Dobbin, J. Comp. Obfusc. 37,ii: pp. 33-947, lemma 17(a)) line-polygon intersection can be reduced to Hamiltonian Circuit, without(!) the use of Grobner bases, so LPI (to coin an acronym) is probably only NP-complete. Besides, Turing-completeness will no longer be a problem once our Cray-3 is delivered, since it will be able to complete an infinite loop in 4 milliseconds (with scatter-gather.) -------- From: deb@svax.cs.cornell.edu (David Baraff) Well, sure its no worse than NP-complete, but that's ONLY if you restrict yourself to the case where the line satisfies a Lipschitz condition on its second derivative. (I think there's an '89 SIGGRAPH paper from Caltech that deals with this). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ J o n a s Y n g v e s s o n email: jonas-y@isy.liu.se Dept. of Electrical Engineering voice: +46-(0)13-282162 University of Linkoping, Sweden fax : +46-(0)13-139282 " 1672,3,"Subject: IDE Cable From: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU Reply-To: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU Organization: Cal State Northridge Lines: 12 I just bought a new IDE hard drive for my system to go with the one I already had. My problem is this. My system only had a IDE cable for one drive, so I had to buy cable with two drive connectors on it, and consequently have to switch cables. The problem is, the new hard drive's manual refers to matching pin 1 on the cable with both pin 1 on the drive itself and pin 1 on the IDE card. But for the life of me I cannot figure out how to tell which way to plug in the cable to align these. Secondly, the cable has like a connector at two ends and one between them. I figure one end goes in the controler and then the other two go into the drives. Does it matter which I plug into the ""master"" drive and which into the ""Slave""? any help appreciated. thanks... " 1673,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Vancouver/Seattle Study Critiques Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 360 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Open letter by Dr. Paul H. Blackman, Research Coordinator for NRA-ILA. NRA Official Journal 1/89. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear sir: By now, we are used to the New England Journal of Medicine's publication of small-scale studies related to firearms from which conclusions are drawn which are quantum leaps from the data, followed by announcements of momentus ""scientific"" findings. These are regularly released to the press without the caveats which riddle the conclusory paragraphs, and often accompanied by an editorial calling attention to the findings. Generally, while they at least present a few interesting data, however meaningless, the studies misinterpret statistics, and ignore or belittle serious studies by criminologists. The latest effort -- ""Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities,"" by J.H. Sloan, et al., with the accompanying editorial, ""Firearms Injuries: A Call for Science,"" by two employees of the Centers for Disease Control (November 10), however, is an insult to the intelligence of any serious scholar in any field and have so few data and so many flaws that I feel compelled to write at some length to call attention to various major and minor failings, in no particular order. 1. The authors misleadingly cite Wright, et al. (Ref. 1) to support the statement that ""some have argued that restricting access to handguns could substantially reduce our annual rate of homicide."" Wright, et al., in fact studied and rejected that contention. 2. The authors pretended that Vancouver and Seattle are very similar cities with similar economic circumstances, histories, demographic characteristics, and the like. In fact, the cities are very different with very different demographic characteristics which appear to explain completely the higher homicide rate in Seattle. Both cities are over three-forths non-Hispanic white and *the non-Hispanic white homicide rates are reported to be the same in Seattle and Vancouver*. It is the different back- grounds, problems, circumstances, and behaviors of the various ethnic minorities which explain the difference in homicide. 3. The authors pretend they are evaluating Canada's gun law, compared to Washington State's. But they do not examine at all the situation in Vancouver prior to the gun law taking effect in 1978. As it happens, in the three years prior to that (1975- 1977), Vancouver averaged 23 homicides per year, one-eighth involving handguns, (Ref. 2) and in the seven years of the NEJM article there were 29 homicides per year, one-eigth involving handguns. Surely even the medical profession recognizes that one must look to see the prior situation was before concluding that a change made a difference? Would a physician conclude that a patient was benefiting from eating oat bran muffin each day for seven years because his cholesterol level was 200 without at least seeing if it was 180 before he started the regimen? 4. The authors pick two medium-sized cities to evaluate a national gun law. Nothing can be learned from such a tiny and arbitrarily selected sample. Seattle appears to have been selected because it was convienient for the authors rather than for any scientific reason. Would physicians call something a scientific study which involved one experimental subject and one dissimilar ""control""? Had different arbitrarily selected cities been chosen, opposite ""scientific"" conclusions would follow: Vancouver's homicide rate *exceeds* that of such ""wild west"" cities in Texas as El Paso, Corpus Christi, Austen, and, in Colorado, Colorado Springs. (Ref. 3) 5. The authors fail to clearly demonstrate that firearms or handguns ""are far more commonly owned in Seattle than in Vancouver."" They use two surrogate approaches in pretending to study the availability of firearms/handguns. The first is an apples-and-oranges effort to compare the number of carry permits in Seattle to the number of registered handguns in Vancouver. But the number clearly understates the number of handguns in Seattle, and counts primarily *protective* handgun owners. The second, however, tells nothing about the number of handguns in Vancouver, and counts *non-protective* handguns for the most part. Where is it difficult to obtain handguns legally for protection, registration figures are meaningless. There are 66,000 registered handguns in New York City (New York Daily News, Sept. 27, 1987). Comparing the two, that method suggests about 930 handguns per 100,000 population in New York City compared to 960 in Vancouver, meaning Vancouver has a greater ""prevalence of weapons"" than New York City. The second method of measuring gun density is ""Cook's gun prevalence index, a previously validated measure of intercity differences."" But the validation was by Cook of his own theory. (Ref. 4) Normally, second opinions are sought from a different doctor. More significantly, the Cook index is based on the average of the percentage of firearms involvement in suicide and homicide. So the authors are basically taking a measure of misuse. Unsurprisingly, gun misuse in homicide (42% in Seattle, 14% in Vancouver) is related to gun misuse in homicide plus suicide, divided by two (41% in Seattle, 12% in Vancouver). The authors are not measuring the relative avail- ability of firearms, or of handguns, in Seattle and Vancouver. 6. The authors misstate the laws of both Washington and Canada. They neglect to mention the significant fact that Washington has a waiting period and background check prior to the purchase of a handgun, and that provisions exist in Canadian law for owning and carrying handguns for personal protection. The authors also make it appear that it is more difficult to get a handgun legally in Canada than is actually the case. 7. The authors ignore all other factors which might explain the differences in crime rate, beyond some vague mention of the penalities provided by law and the roughest of estimates of clearence for one particular offense -- homicide involving a firearm. There is no measure of: the differences in the number of law enforcement officers; their aggressiveness in making arrests for gun law violations in the two jurisdictions; arrest rates for other offenses; conviction rates; actual sentences imposed for gun-related crimes, violent crimes without guns, or gun law violations; or incarceration rates. Whereas social scientists would attempt to measure and hold for such differences, the authors of the NEJM ""tale of two cities"" fail even to mention most factors related to crime control. 8. The authors dismiss claims that handguns are an effective means for protection unless the criminal is killed. Such is not the case. Criminologists (Ref. 5-8) have found that almost 650,000 Americans annually use handguns for protection from criminals, and that using a gun for protection reduces the liklihood that a crime -- rape, robbery, assault -- will be completed by the criminal and reduces the likelihood of injury to the victim. It is interesting, nonetheless, that the authors reported the same number (four) of civilian justifiable homicides without firearms in each city but that less restrictive Seattle accounted for 100% of the reported civilian justifiable homicides involving firearms. 9. The Centers for Disease Control, which funded the ""study,"" editorially praised the paper, (Ref. 9) saying it ""applied scientific methods to examine a focus of contention betweeb advocates of stricter regulation of firearms, particularly handguns."" There is nothing in the paper which could possibly be mistaken for ""scientific methods"" by a sociologists or criminologists. The Vancouver-Seattle ""study"" is the equivolent of testing an experimental drug to control hypertension by finding two ordinary-looking middle-class white males, one aged 25 and the other 40, and without first taking their vital signs, administering the experimental drug to the 25-year-old while giving the 40-year-old a placebo, then taking their blood pressure and, on finding the younger man had a lower blood pressure, announcing in a ""special article"" a new medical breakthrough. It would be nice to think that such a ""study"" would neither be funded by the CDC or printed by the NEJM. Since the longstanding anti-gun biases of the NEJM and the CDC make them willing to present shoddy research as ""scientific breakthroughs"" in ""special articles"" and editorials relating to firearms, we are obligated to correct the record by notifying the news media and those with congressional and executive oversight over the activities of the Centers for Disease Control about the distortions contained in ""Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicides: A Tale of Two Cities"" and ""Firearm Injuries: A Call for Science."" Clearly, all scientific standards go by the wayside whenever the CDC and the New England Journal of Medicine seize an opportunity to attack firearms ownership in America. REFERENCES 1. Wright JD, et al, *Weapons, crime and violence in America*: a literature review and research agenda, Washington, D.C.: Department of Justice, 1981. 2. Scarff E. *Evaluation of the Canadian gun control legislation*: final report. Ottawa: Ministry of the Solicitor General of Canada, 1983, p. 87. 3. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, *Crime in the United States*, 1987 (Uniform Crime Reports). Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 1988 4. Cook PJ. *The role of firearms in violent crime*. In: Wolfgang M. Weiner NA, eds. *Criminal violence*, Beverly Hills, Calif.: Sage, 1982: 236-90, pp. 270-271. 5. Kleck G. *Crime control through the private use of armed force*. Social Problems 1988: 35:1-21. 6. Ziegenhagen EA, Brosnan D. *Victim responses to robbery and crime control policy*. Criminology. 1985: 23:675-695. 7. Lizotte AJ. *Determinants of completeing rape and assault*. Journal of Quantitative Criminology. 1986: 2:203-217. 8. Sayles SL, Kleck G. *Rape and resistance*. Paper at the American Society of Criminology convention, Chicago, 1988. 9. Mercy JA, Houk VN. *Firearm injuries: a call for science*. NEJM: 319:1283-1285. ========================================================================== GUNS AND SPUTTER by James D. Wright (from July 1989 issue of REASON, Free Minds & Free Markets) Someone once wrote: ""Statistics are like a bikini. What they real is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."" The problem is demonstrated by the most recent entry in a long line of scientific research purporting to show a causal link between gun availability and homicide. Funded by the federal government and published last year in the New England Journal of Medicine, the study compared homicide rates in Seattle and Vancouver and suggested that a handgun ban ""may reduce the rate of homicide in a community."" The nine medical doctors who published ""Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicide"" essentially reasoned in three steps: (1) Despite many historical, social, and demographic similarities, (2) Vancouver has a markedly lower homicide rate (3) because its stricter gun regulations make guns less available. The second step in their reasoning seems indisputable. The overall homicide rate in Seattle (for the period 1980-86) was 11.3 per 100,000 popuation, compared with 6.9 in Vancouver. Homicide is definitely more common in Seattle. The question then becomes, Why? The authors present a believable although not entirely accurate case to support the notion, as claimed in the third step of their reasoning, that Vancouver's handgun regulations are much more stringent. But their evidence on the difference in gun *availabilty* is indirect and unpersuasive; indeed, they acknowledge that direct evidence on the point does not exist. They offer two fragments of inferential data in support of the claim that guns are more available in Seattle; but for all anybody knows as a matter of empirical fact, the opposite could be true. We are therefore being asked, at the conclusion of the study, to believe that a difference in gun availability explains the difference in homicide rates when a difference in gun availability has not itself been established. Indeed, the situation is even more troublesome. The first of the two indirect bits of evidence is a difference between the number of concealed- weapons permits issued in Seattle and the number of restricted-weapons permits issued in Vancouver. Differences between the two cities in the permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable. * The second bit of evidence is ""Cook's gun prevalence index,"" which stands * at 41 percent for Seattle but only 12 percent for Vancouver. Cook's index * however, does not measure the relative prevalence of gun ownership in * various cities. It measures gun misuse--it is an average of the percentage * of homicides and suicides involving firearms. * In the present case, the index shows only that in homicides and suicides, * firearms are more likely to be used in Seatte than in Vancouver. To take * Cook's index as a measure of general firearms availability, it must be * assumed that the proportional involvement of guns in homicides and suicides * is directly related to their relative availability in the general * population. But this is exactly what the authors are seeking to prove. To * assume what one is seeking to prove, then to ""prove"" it on the basis of * that assumption does ot constitute scientific evidence for anything. Even if we were to grant, on the basis of no compelling evidence, that guns are less common in Vancouver, we might still question what causes what. The authors attribute Seattle's higher crime rate to a higher rate of gun ownership. But it might well be argued that low crime or homicide rates reduce the motivation for average citizens to obtain guns--in other words, that crime rates explain the variation in gun ownership, not vice versa. In fact, it was once commonly argued that Great Britain's low rate of violent crime was a function of that nation's strict gun laws and the consequent low rate of gun ownership--until British researcher Colin Greenwood found that Great Britain had enjoyed low rates of violent crime for many decades before strict firearms controls were enacted. To invoke an ancient methodological saw, correlation is not cause. Nor do the problems with this study end with its lack of direct data on gun ownership. The authors say Seattle and Vancouver are ""similar in many ways,"" implying that they differ mainly in gun availability, gun-law stringency, and crime rates. This is an evident attempt to establish the ceteris paribus condition of a sound scientific analysis--that ""all else is equal"" among things being compared. * Clearly the two cities are similar in some ways, but a closer look * reveals differences in ways that are relevant to their respective crime * or homicide rates. The cities are closely matched in what percentage * of their population is white (79 percent and 76 percent). But Seattle * is about 10 percent black, while Vancouver is less than 0.5 percent. * Vancouver's minority population is overwhelmingly Asian. So although the * authors show that th two cities are approximately comparable on a half- * dozen readily available demographic indicators, they have not shown * that all potentially relevant sources of variation have been ruled out. * In fact, the differences in racial compositions of the two cities is * particularly relevant in light of the study's breakdown of homicide rates * according to the race of the victim. For the white majority, the homicide * rates are nearly identical--6.2 per 100,000 in Seattle, 6.4 in Vancouver. * The differing overall homicide rates in the two cities are therefore due * entirely to vastly different rates among racial minorities. For blacks, * the observed difference in homicide rate is 36.6 to 9.5 and for Hispanics * 26.9 to 7.9. (Methodoligical complexities render the Asian comparison * problematic, but it too is higher in Seattle than in Vancouver.) Racial * minorities are much more likely to be the victims of homicide in Seattle * than in Vancouver; the white majority is equally likely to be slain * in either city. Since the nearly 2:1 initial difference in homicide reates between the cities is due exclusively to 3:1 or 4:1 differences between minority groups, it is fair to ask why postulated difference in ""gun availability"" (or gun-law strigency) would matter so dramatically to minorities but not matter at all to whites. Can differential gun availability explain why blacks and Hispanics--but not whites--are so much more likely to be killed in Seattle than in Vancouver? (Studies in the United States, incidentally, do not show large or consistent racial differences in gun ownership.) Or are other explanations more plausible? Could the disparity between Canadian and American rates of poverty among racial minorities have anything to do with it? What are the relative rates of drug or alcohol abuse? Of homelessness among each cty's minority population? (The city of Seattle runs the largest shelter for homeless men west of the Mississippi.) Unemployment among young, central-city, nonwhite men in the United States usually exceeds 40 percent. What is the comparable Canadian percentage? The crucial point is that Canada and the United States differ in many ways, as do cities and population subgroups with the two countries. Absent more detailed analysis, nearly any of these ""many ways"" might explain part or all of the difference in homicide rates. In gross comparisons such as those between Seattle and Vancouver, all else is *not* equal. * The authors of this study acknowledge that racial patterns in homicide * result in a ""complex picture."" They do not acknowledge that the ensuing * complexities seriously undercut the main thrust of their argument. They * also acknowledge that ""socio-economic status is probably an important * confounding factor in our comparison,"" remarking further that ""blacks * in Vancouver had a slightly higher mean income in 1981 than the rest of * Vancouver's population."" Given the evidence presented in the article, * it is possible that all of the difference in homicide rates between Seattle * and Vancouver results from greater proverty among Seattle's racial * minorities. But the authors pay no further attention to this possibility, * since ""detailed information about household incomes according to race * is not available for Vancouver."" The largely insurmountable methodological difficulties confronted in gross comparative studies of this sort can be illustrated with as simple example. If one were to take all U.S. couties and compare them in terms of (1) pervalence of gun ownership and (2) crime or homicide rates, one would find an astonishing pattern: Counties with more guns have less crime. Would one conclude from this evidence alone that guns actually reduce crime? Or would one insist that other variables also be taken into account? In this example, the ""hidden variable"" is city size: Guns are more common in small towns and rural areas, whereas crime is a big-city problem. If researchers failed to anticipate this variable, or lacked the appropriate data to examine its possible consequences, they coud be very seriously misled. In the study at hand, the authors matched two cities for size but not for minority poverty rates or other hidden variables, and their results are impossible to interpret. In the editorial ""Firearm Injuries: A Call for Science"" accompanying the study, two officials from the Centers for Disease Control lauded the authors for applying ""scientific methods"" to a problem of grave public heath significance. But in attempting to draw causal conclusions from nonexperimental research, the essence of scientific method is to anticipate plausible alternative explanations for the results and try to rule them out. Absent such effort, the results may well seem scientific but are little more than polemics masquerading as serious research. That this study is but one of a number of recent efforts--all employing practical identical research designs and published in leading scientific journals-- is cause for further concern. [James D. Wright is professor of sociology at Tulane University. He has researched extensively on the relationship of firearms and crime.] Reason published monthly except combined August-September issue by the Reason Foundation, a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization. Subscription rate: $24.00 per year. Reason Foundation 2716 Ocean Park Blvd. Suite 1062 Santa Monica, CA 90405 " 1674,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1ppm7j$ip@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |>I thought the area rule was pioneered by Boeing. |>NASA guys developed the rule, but no-one knew if it worked |>until Boeing built the hardware 727 and maybe the FB-111????? | |Nope. The decisive triumph of the area rule was when Convair's YF-102 -- |contractually commmitted to being a Mach 1.5 fighter and actually found |to be incapable of going supersonic in level flight -- was turned into |the area-ruled YF-102A which met the specs. This was well before either |the 727 or the FB-111; the 102 flew in late 1953, and Convair spent most |of the first half of 1954 figuring out what went wrong and most of the |second half building the first 102A. |-- |All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology | - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry Good thing i stuck in a couple of question marks up there. I seem to recall, somebody built or at least proposed a wasp waisetd Passenger civil transport. I thought it was a 727, but maybe it was a DC- 8,9??? Sure it had a funny passenger compartment, but on the other hand it seemed to save fuel. I thought Area rules applied even before transonic speeds, just not as badly. pat " 1675,5,"From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok) Subject: Re: MOOLIT and OLIT Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 12 In article , stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson) writes: > Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun > support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations? > -- MoOLIT (Motif/Open Look Intrinsic Toolkit allows developers to build applications that can switch between Motif and Open Look at run-time, while OLIT only gives you Open Look. -- Internet: chunhong@vnet.ibm.com " 1676,9,"From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA In article <1993Apr14.200649.12578@pts.mot.com>, ep502dn@pts.mot.com (Dave Naehring X2079 P7630) writes: > In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball >>being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run >>prevented. >> > This certainly passes the ""common sense test"" for me, but is there any > statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what > percent is fielding? I'd really like to know. BTW, Sherri, thanks for > the DA data I find it fascinating. Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented. Just as a penny saved is a penny earned. Enough with the cliches. My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to their potential, they won't need much offensive support. I realize this is a BIG IF. This staff leaves the '92 BoSox in the dust. There is no legitimate comparison. Two Cy Young winners, and three other pitchers that most any team in the league would kill to have as their first or second starter. It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most runs wins. This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage (providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. They should have many low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting. On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players, I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers. They would have an advantage because they could simply outscore their opponent. The name of the games is to win. Even Ray Knight knows that you do this by putting more runs up on the scoreboard. All I'm trying to say is that if you assemble the quality pitchers like the Braves have, the offense doesn't need to be as strong. Sam > > -Dave > > >>Sherri Nichols >>snichols@adobe.com > " 1677,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 24 Kent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote: : > This is a good point, but I think ""average"" people do not take up Christianity : > so much out of fear or escapism, but, quite simply, as a way to improve their : > social life, or to get more involved with American culture, if they are kids of : > immigrants for example. Since it is the overwhelming major religion in the : > Western World (in some form or other), it is simply the choice people take if : > they are bored and want to do something new with their lives, but not somethong : > TOO new, or TOO out of the ordinary. Seems a little weak, but as long as it : > doesn't hurt anybody... : The social pressure is indeed a very important factor for the majority : of passive Christians in our world today. In the case of early Christianity : the promise of a heavenly afterlife, independent of your social status, : was also a very promising gift (reason slaves and non-Romans accepted : the religion very rapidly). If this is a hypothetical proposition, you should say so, if it's fact, you should cite your sources. If all this is the amateur sociologist sub-branch of a.a however, it would suffice to alert the unwary that you are just screwing around ... Bill " 1678,0,"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam In-Reply-To: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu's message of 5 Apr 93 16:49:14 GMT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 24 In <114127@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu writes: [deletia] > I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic > principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify > that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, > so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ > be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting > to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic > Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than > than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. In the deletions somewhere, it mentioned something about chopping off of hands being a punishment for theft in Saudi Arabia. Assuming this is so (I wouldn't know), and assuming it is done by people fitting your requirement for ""muslim"" (which I find highly likely), then would you please try to convince Bobby Mozumder that muslims chop people's hands off? Come back when you've succeeded. -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" " 1679,19,"From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) Subject: Re: Christian Daemons? [Biblical Demons, the update] Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 61 In article <1993Apr1.024850.20111@sradzy.uucp>, radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes: > >>swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes: > >>> 666, the file permission of the beast. > > >radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes: > >> Sorry, but the file permission of the beast is 600. > >> > >> And the file permission of the home directory of the > >> beast is 700. > > boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes: > >Hey, radzy, it must depend on your system's access policy. > >I get: > > $ ls -lg /usr/users > > total 3 > > drwxrwxrwx 22 beast system 1536 Jan 01 1970 beast > > drwxr-x--x 32 boylan users 2048 Mar 31 09:08 boylan > > drwxr-xr-x 2 guest users 512 Sep 18 1992 guest > > $ su > > Password: > > root $ su beast > > beast $ umask > > 111 > > beast $ ^D > > root $ ^D > > $ > > Just a minute.... > > $ grep beast /etc/passwd > beast:k5tUk76RAUogQ:497:0:Not Walt Disney!:/usr/users/beast: > $ mv /usr/users/beast/.profile /usr/users/beast/.profile, > $ echo umask 077 >> /usr/users/beast/.profile > $ cat > /usr/users/beast/.profile > chmod 700 /usr/users/beast > mv .mailrc .mailrc, > echo beast logged in | mail radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com > mv .mailrc, .mailrc > mv /usr/users/beast/.profile, /usr/users/beast/.profile > ^D > $ chmod 777 /usr/users/beast/.profile > $ cat /usr/users/beast/.profile, >> /usr/users/beast/.profile > > > > I think you made a mistake. Check it again. > I see . . . you're not running Ultrix! :-) - - Steve -- Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival, April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts! " 1680,17,"From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: herky.cs.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 63 From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan): > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to > believe for somebody trying to be objective. > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? > Do you think it was your right to be there? There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals > why the hatred? Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or indirecly is a ""bad"" person. It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and as a such you must pay the price. > So that makes me think that there is some kind of > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish > encounters during your schooling. > take it easy! > > -- > Tankut Atan > tankut@iastate.edu > > ""Achtung, baby!"" You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under Turkish occupation. They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. Napoleon " 1681,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 16 (Frank DeCenso) > But how? It's evident from the texts in Ezek 26-28 that God isn't concerned > about buildings or structures - God is concerned about people. The people and > leadership (Ezek 28) never did return as a city. Others may have come later > and built a city, but the people and leadership that God prophesied about in > Ezek 26-28 were never rebuilt as a city of people and leaders. How incredibly fucking stupid. Of *course* the text is referring to the city itself (buildings, bricks, mortar, etc.) Otherwise it makes no sense to refer to the future of Tyre as being reduced to nothing but a _place_ to spread fishing nets. Is there any twisting of text or semantic game that you *won't* do to preserve your faith from admission of error, DeCenso? " 1682,16,"From: gress@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GRESS JOSEPH JOHN ) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 33 In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.155819.18237@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: >>Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from >>bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be >>for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. > >Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. > >Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will >die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as >long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few >shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One >assumes they are moving!) > > First of all let's assume that you are right that fewer guns would make it in to the country, that sounds great (to those that see guns as inherently evil) except then every one of those guns would be in the hands of someone who obviously couldn't care less about following the law, after all they got the gun illegally, so is more likely to commit a crime with that gun. Great then everyone with a gun is likely to use it in a crime, nice system. Now as to reducing the number of guns coming into society by making it illegal to manufacture, sell, or import them in this coutry, let me use a parallel for empiric evidence. The amount of cocaine in this country is far less since its manufacture, sale, and importation was out lawwed. If that last statement is true then perhaps we should consider your plan. This could also apply to drugs in general. PLAIN OLD JOE > " 1683,7,"From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu If you hold off, there are a number of interesting convertibles coming to market in the next few years. The new LeBaron will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, which should be an improvement over the current model. The new PL compact will have a convertible option (also a chrysler product) Kia, makers of the Ford Festiva is planning a larger convertible. -- Steve Morris, M.A. : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris Seattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct) Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________ " 1684,11,"From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 24 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: >Finally, because there is essentially no possibility of intercepting in >realtime the scrutable content of communications between stolen instruments, >there will exist strong motivation to record and archive _all_ communications >in the network for ex-post-facto scrutiny (once some criminal act is >discovered, and the instruments involved have been identified). It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I can even imagine this being found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to until a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained. Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists, radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center bombers made in the past year. Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why wouldn't it happen? Ken Shirriff shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU " 1685,6,"From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael) Subject: FOR SALE: Drum Machine Originator: zmed16@zircon Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Lines: 12 I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale. It includes velocity-sensitive pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to: zmed16@trc.amoco.com Thanks, Mike " 1686,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector - VALENTINE-1? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 troy@sequent.com (Troy Wecker) writes: >There is no question that the Valentine-1 ($299) has good range but >not significant enough to be 2 or 3 times as expensive as some of the >others. The big win with the V-1 is not its range but rather its directionality and multiple-transmitter tracking (which you later called a ""gimmick"" -- a conclusion I disagree with). Since the detector incorporates multiple receivers it's not surprising that it's significantly more expensive. While the added capabilities may not help you, there is added value for those of us who live in areas where there are a lot of false-alarms. >Summary: Valentine-1 way too expensive and not a significantly better >performer! I certainly call it ""interesting"" but I'm another person who thinks that the added value might be coming at too high a cost. Very adequate radar detectors are available for less than half the cost and one of them has suited me rather well. If I did more long-distance travelling in areas I'm not familiar with I'd probably consider getting the V-1 because it's additional information would be useful in discriminating false alarms. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 1687,4,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: Can you share one monitor w/ 2 cpus? Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Lines: 13 bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) writes ... > >I have a Centris 610 & want to get an IBM machine as well. >To save space on my desk, I would like to use one monitor >for both, with a switch-box. Does anyone know of a way to do >this? Sure. Buy a switch box and a multisync monitor. I have just that arrangement on my desk and it works fine. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 1688,6,"From: bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Baker) Subject: OAKLEYS for sale (Bulls vs. Blazers too!) Keywords: Good Deal! Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Lines: 10 I have a pair of Oakleys that cost about $100 new a year ago. I hardly ever wore them because they just don't look right on me. They are orange and blue and are the ""blade"" kind (Terminator style). I am willing to sell these for $40 to the first response I get. I also have a Bulls vs. Blazers game for the SNES that is in perfect condition. I am selling it for $35. It includes the instruction manual. John bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu " 1689,17,"Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death From: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 30 > Brad Hernlem writes... > > > >Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every > >Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral > >bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli > >government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. > > > >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) To which Mark Ira Kaufman responds: > > Your delight in the death of human beings says more about you > than anything that I could say. Mark, Were you one of the millions of Americans cheering the slaughter of Iraqi civilians by US forces in 1991? Your comment could also apply to all of them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) Peace. -marc -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with both eyes. My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. ______________________________________________________________________________ " 1690,1,"From: Valentin E. Vulihman Subject: Attractive drawing on the sphere Lines: 23 Reply-To: vulih@ipmce.su Organization: Inst. of Prec. Mech. & Comp. Equip., Moscow, Russia S P H E R I C A L D E S I G N I N G I have made an attractive program on AT-computer for drawing on the sphere and pasting it of paper. For children, artists and education. I can send an example to alt.source.wanted, on which you can see the rotation of the sphere, if you are interested. Children can design tesselations of the many famous regular polyhedra without serious difficaltis, and print patterns to paste their spherical models. Moscow, tel. 280-53-53, after 21 o'clock, or E-mail, Valentin Vulihman. " 1691,5,"Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 From: nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) Organization: Computer Science, CLIP lab, UPM Madrid, Spain. Nntp-Posting-Host: aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es In-reply-to: dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu's message of 2 Apr 93 21:24:05 GMT Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr2.212405.5213@head-cfa.harvard.edu> dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes: > I've been trying to compile X11R5 patchlevel 23 on a Sun Sparc > IPX using SunOS_4.1.3, and gcc 2.3.3. > > The problem occurs during the initial ""make World"". When > it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find > some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program ""ld"" > which was updated for 4_1_3. > Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(. -- /+=========================================++================================+\ ||Francisco J. Ballesteros [a.k.a. Nemo] || email: nemo@clip.dia.fi.upm.es|| ||org: Computer Science, CLIP lab. || phone: +34 1 336-7448 || || Campus Montegancedo s.n. U.P.M. || ___ ___ || || Boadilla del Monte, Madrid, Spain. || \\ \\ o \\_) \ _ \__ || \+=========================================++== \\__ \\__\\ \\ == \_(_\_\_) =+/ " 1692,6,"From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird) Subject: CD-ROMS 4-SALE (NEW) UPDATE!!! Organization: Wheaton College, IL Lines: 102 I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way. Marcus Updated prices from last post. American Business Phonebook DOS $20.00 Animals DOS $30.00 Animals MPC $18.00 Audoban Birds DOS $20.00 Audoban Mammals DOS $20.00 Barney Bear Goes to School DOS $30.00 Bible Library DOS $45.00 Bibles and Religion DOS $15.00 Book of Lists DOS $30.00 Britannicas Family Choice DOS $23.00 Britamrica Select DOS $24.33 Business & Economics DOS $19.00 Business Backgrounds DOS $20.00 Business Master DOS $20.00 Carmen San Diego (Where is ...) MPC $22.00 CD PLay/Launch DOS $25.00 CD ROM Software Jukebox DOS $20.00 CIA Vorld Taur DOS $35.00 Chess Master 3000 MPC DOS $20.00 CLassic Collection DOS $40.00 CLipert Goliath DOS $15.00 Colossal Cookbook DOS $15.00 DeLorme's Atlas USA WIN $25.00 Desert Storm MPC $25.00 Deathstar Arcade Battles DOS $15.00 Dictionaries & Language DOS $15.00 Education Master DOS $20.00 ELectronic Home Library DOS $35.00 Family Doctor DOS $16.00 Family Encyclopedia by Comptons DOS $49.00 Family Encyclopedia by Comptons MPC $49.00 Game Master DOS $15.00 Game Pack II DOS $25.00 Golden Immortal DOS $25.00 Great Cities of the World DOS $25.00 Greet Cities of the World MPC $30.00 Great Cities of the World II DOS $25.00 Great Cities of the World II MPC $30.00 Groliers Encyclopedia DOS $40.00 Groliers Encyclopedia MPC $40.00 Guiness Disc 1992 DOS $13.00 Ham Radio DOS $15.00 Information USA DOS $35.00 Islands Designs DOS $20.00 Jets & Props DOS $18.00 Jones ... Fast Lane DOS/MPS $17.00 KGB/CIA World Fact Book DOS $25.00 Kings Quest 5: DOS/MPC $20.00 Library of the Future DOS $90.00 Loom DOS $22.00 MPC Wizard MPC $15.00 MacMillan Kids Dictionary MPC $48.00 Magazine Rack DOS $25.00 Majestic Places DOS $20.00 Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing MPC $35.00 Mixed Up Mother Goose DOS/MPC $18.00 Money,Money,Money, DOS $20.00 Monkey Island DOS $22.00 Oak CD Stand DOS $15.00 Our Solar System DOS $15.00 Presidents DOS $85.00 Publish It v 3.0 DOS $20.00 Reference Library DOS $35.00 Secret Weapons/Luftwaffe MPC $22.00 Shereware Games DOS $35.00 Shereware Overload DOS $15.00 Sher Holmes/Consul Det MPC $35.00 Sleeping Beauty DOS $20.00 Strd. CD Software Bundle - 4 Titles N/A $90.00 Stellar 7 DOS/MPC $17.00 Story Time - Interactive DOS $14.00 The CD ROM Collection DOS $15.00 Time Magazine Almanac Current DOS $22.00 Time Table of Hist/Sci/Innovation DOS $25.00 Tons & Gigs DOS $49.00 Too Many Typefonts DOS $15.00 Total Baseball DOS $30.00 US Atlas/w Automap DOS $22.00 US History DOS $28.00 US/World Atlas DOS/MPC $18.00 US Wars:Civil War DOS $25.00 Wild Places DOS $20.00 Wing Com/Ultima VI DOS/MPC $22.00 World View DOS $25.00 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net -- Voice 708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net -- Voice 708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net " 1693,19,"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr20.142356.456@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes: > >In article , jhallen@world.std.com (Joseph H Allen) writes: >|> In article <1qvk8sINN9vo@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >|> >|> It was interesting to watch the 700 club today. Pat Robertson said that the >|> ""Branch Dividians had met the firey end for worshipping their false god."" He >|> also said that this was a terrible tragedy and that the FBI really blew it. > >I don't necessarily agree with Pat Robertson. Every one will be placed before >the judgement seat eventually and judged on what we have done or failed to do >on this earth. God allows people to choose who and what they want to worship. I'm sorry, but He does not! Ever read the FIRST commandment? >Worship of money is one of the greatest religions in this country. You mean, false religion! " 1694,8,"Subject: Re: Lexan Polish? From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies) Expires: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 07:00:00 GMT Organization: Microtec Research, Santa Clara, California, USA Keywords: Lexan, Plastic Summary: Scratches in Plastic Lines: 27 In article wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken) writes: >A couple of years ago I replaced the stock windscreen on my Interceptor >with a higher one from National Cycle. The thing happens to be made of >Lexan. > >Can anyone recommend a polish to use on it that is safe for lexan? Its >starting to show a few scratches, and id like to polish them out.. >Go FAST! | Internet: wilken@plains.nodak.edu | AMA #587126 >Take Chances! | UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken | DoD #0087 >VF700F Interceptor | Bitnet: WILKEN@PLAINS | Suggest McQuires #1 plastic polish. It will help somewhat but nothing will remove deep scratches without making it worse than it already is. McQuires will do something for fine or light stuff. Also suggest calling your local plastic shop. In Calif. ""TAP PLASTIC"" is a chain that carries most of what is needed for repair and sometimes replacement of plastic bits. Telephone in the Bay area is 415-962-8430. I'm not sure how amenable they are to shipping. I have found that they have several excellent products for cleaning, and removing crap from windscreens and face shields. Also they have one called ""lift-it"" which works real well in removing sticky stuffs such as adhessives from plastic wihtout scratching same. Luck, Jonathan Jefferies, jeff@mri.com " 1695,3,From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Refresh rates of NEC 5fgx? Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 5 Can someone tell me the maximum horizontal and vertical refresh rates of the NEC 5fgx.(not the 5fge) Thanks. 1696,8,"From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras) Subject: Need Maintenance tips Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 29 After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have a couple of questions I hope you can answer: When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not? I am more used to the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read. The dip stick on my bike is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it. Do I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without screwing it down before reading? The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on the head cover. I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material. do you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute? My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb. Is there an easy, brighter replacement bulb available? Where should I look for one? As always, I very much appreciate your help. The weather in Philadelphia has finally turned WARM. This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders ALL waved. A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . . Chris -- ******************************************************************* Christopher G. Karras Internet: CGKarras@world.std.com " 1697,3,"From: tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh829 Organization: Bell Northern Research X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 33 Tony Catone (catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu) wrote: : In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: : : Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a : high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony : 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It : is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic : image, and the large image size, etc, etc... : : It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third : down, the other two thirds down) come from. : The 2 lines are not a result of the high end trinitron tube, these 2 wires will be found on all 17"" trinitron tubes (e.g., Mitsubishi 17"", Sony 1604, etc). On 14"" Sony tubes, you'll find one wire. Their level of annoyance is purely subjective. I'm so happy with the sharpness of the T560i that I don't even notice the lines. The T560i uses a Trinitron SA tube which, when viewed as a complete tube, has a larger diameter than the standard Trinitron tube. This results in a flatter screen than other 17"" monitors using the standard trinitron (which has a vertically flat but not horizontally flat surface), and apparently the ability to provide a tighter beam focus. -- ,----------------------,------------------------.---------------------, | Karl Tracy Blomquist | E-MAIL: tracyb@bnr.ca | Fax: 1-613-765-4018 | | Consultant | ""opinions are my own"" | Ph: 1-613-765-4886 | `----------------------'------------------------'---------------------' | Bell-Northern Research, P.O.Box 3511, Stn C, Ottawa, Ont., K1Y-4H7 | `---------------------------------------------------------------------' " 1698,17,"Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian Segal) Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center Lines: 16 In article <1qhv50$222@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il> ranen@falafel.cs.huji.ac.il (Ranen Goren) writes: >Q: How many Nick Steel's does it take to twist any truth around? >A: Only one, and thank God there's only one. > > Ranen. Absolutely not true! There are lots of them! _____ __Livian__ ______ ___ __Segal__ __ __ __ __ __ *\ /* | | \ \ \ | | | | \ | ***\ /*** | | |__ | /_ \ \ | | | | \ | |---O---| | | / | \ | | | | \ | \ /*\ / \___ / | \ | | | \ | | \___ / | / | \/***\/ / | \ | | | | | / | | VM/CMS: JhsegalL@Weizmann.weizmann.ac.il UNIX: Jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il " 1699,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr2.182402.28700@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: |> |> The 'beam' is split in two, with one beam aimed at the target car (sort of) and |> |> the other at the ground. The speeds of each are calulated for the final |> |> number |> |> Actually, this is true on the more expensive ones, but the cheaper ones |> just read the speedometer. I've never seen a speedometer-reading model. Are you sure? Who makes them? Consider the difficulty of reading the speedo on various makes of cars in use... I've seen single beam moving-mode and split beam moving-mode. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 1700,3,"From: sp1marse@lina (Marco Seirio) Subject: Small PC Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 I'm looking for a PC that is small and doesn't break apart if you drop it on the groud. It doesn't have to have graphics, text only will do just fine. It doesn't have to be fast either, 8086 will do, I hope. But you must stand a pretty hard enviroment without breaking apart, jumnping on it or trying to use it outdoor while it is raining and so forth. I need 640Kb of memory and a convinient way of loading applications into it that I wrote myself (floppy or somekind of writeable cartridge?). Is there a PC like that?? And where can I get more info? I know of the Atari portfolio but it can't stand the rain.... Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s " 1701,3,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 07:30:17 -0400 Lines: 12 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> In article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: > First off, with all these huge software packages and files that > they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit). I've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive. > Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI > and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT. Windows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk, tape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0. -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 1702,0,"From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Bible Quiz Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > Would you mind e-mailing me the questions, with the pairs of answers? > I would love to have them for the next time a Theist comes to my door! I'd like this too... maybe you should post an answer key after a while? Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): It is better to be a coward for a minute than dead for the rest of your life. " 1703,7,"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Keywords: n Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.170720.8538@colorado.edu> drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu ( Drew Eckhardt) writes: > >Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never >seen nor heard of a vandal opening one. I imagine that there >would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have >to crawl furthur under the car to open it. > >Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things >that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar >or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc. USUALLY....go enough places and you'll see stuff happen you didn't think did. Steve " 1704,12,"From: cmh@eng.cam.ac.uk (C.M. Hicks) Subject: Re: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED Organization: cam.eng Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: tw100.eng.cam.ac.uk davidj@rahul.net (David Josephson) writes: >In ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) writes: >>I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics, large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone. I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts. >>Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it. >Without doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the >Burr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this >chip as a phantom power mic pre. I've had very good results from the SSM2016 from PMI (part of Analogue Devices). They have also now introduced the SSM2017 which looks good on paper, but which I haven't tried yet. Christopher -- ============================================================================== Christopher Hicks | Paradise is a Linear Gaussian World cmh@uk.ac.cam.eng | (also reported to taste hot and sweaty) ============================================================================== " 1705,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Biblical Rape Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr05.174537.14962@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes: > >In article <16BA7F16C.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > >I didn't have time to read the rest of the posting, but >I had to respond to this. > >I am absolutely NOT a ""Messianic Jew"". > Another mistake. Sorry, I should have read alt.,messianic more carefully. Benedikt " 1706,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: Detroit Tigers Nntp-Posting-Host: mozzarella.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 17 David Vergolini writes > The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. > With Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger > bats will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games > and with Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No > pitching! Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that > will keep the team into many games.... Yeah, if the Tigers can keep scoring 20 runs a game. If I'm reading all this woofing correctly, one midseason slump is going to pull this team out of contention. Like Yogi says, I'll believe when I believe it. -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 1707,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 35 I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of course I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the colligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here). Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants, and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key but otherwises not encrypted. Starting a alt.encrypted newsgroup rather than just maintaining mailing lists is better for several reasons. First, it would be easier to archive for people who might join a group ""late"" and who might like to easily read earlier posts; second, traffic analysis to know exactly to whom an affinity message is directed would be foiled; three, a newsgroup is much more public and would serve to publicize available privacy measures on the internet. And it would be fun to accumulate a secret keyring full of such keys -- it beats giving out t-shirts as a door prize. We could send a copy of alt.encrypted directly to Judge William Sessions or Admiral Studeman to save them the time of having it collected for them. -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 1708,8,"Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU <1993Apr2.003029.1962@adobe.com><1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> Organization: University of Maine System Lines: 8 Ed's heading out on the highway? Did he finally buy a bike or is he a passanger? Jeff Andle DoD #3005 1976 KZ900 REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College. Please reply via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again. " 1709,9,"From: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) Subject: Re: Bonds vs. Maddux Organization: University of Houston Lines: 55 Reply-To: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu In article , loos@cup.hp.com (Joe Loos) writes: >I've been following the Giants closely over the off-season -- newspapers, >notesgroup, etc -- but I had my first up close and personal last night at >the Stick. > >After watching Giants hitters struggle last year, Barry's swing was >very impressive -- he's very quick and his swing seems effortless, even >compared to Clark (particularly Clark as of late). > >It was interesting to see Bonds hit Maddux so well. I'm not sure if >Barry was after revenge against the Braves or what but he stroked >three very pretty hits (1b, 2b, hr) for 5 rbi's. The Giants always hit Maddux well, but it was interesting that Maddux did not pitch around Bonds to get to Clayton last night. He threw 2 straight fastballs over the plate to Bonds in the 1st last night, got away with the first one, but Bonds hit the second one out of the park. Then in the 3rd, when Clark was at third base with one out, Maddux did not intentionally walk Bonds, and Bonds dropped a single to left-center. > >The Giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in >addition to Bonds. There has been some good pitching and some hitters >seem to be swinging much better. Clayton's defense has been superb. >McGee seems to like leading off this year. Manwaring is driving the ball. >So on & so forth. > The Braves announcers pointed out that McGee as a leadoff hitter has not scored a run yet. He will always hit around .300, but I'm concerning about his on-base percentage. The key in the lineup is Matt Williams, he has to stay hot so that Bonds can hit with runners on base. >I hope it continues...I think they need to continue well into June before >people are really sold that they are for real--particularly the pitching. The pitching gets a set back as Bud Black is placed on the DL. Burba has done a superb job filling in so far, he looks like a different pitcher from last year. However, Swift is terrible in both of his starts. With Burba moving into the rotation, Mike Jackson is the only right-handed reliever aside from Rod Beck, he'll get a lot of actions. I also hope that Dusty can manage his bullpen better than Roger Craig, especially on Beck. I was concerned when Beck was used for 3 straight days earlier this week. >For myself, I think the fresh start of Magowan/Baker/etc has really wiped >out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor >in helping them significantly improve over last year. So far so good! Edward Hui " 1710,5,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Calling a library which creates widgets (multiple times) Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 91 A few days ago I posted a question about trying to call a function which set up an X app multiple times. It was pointed out that XtAppInitialize() should never be called more than once. This helped. However, I am still having some problems. Below is a new little test program that more closely models my real program. In the actual program, I am writing a library, callable from any other program. This means that the first time the lib function is called, it must initialize things, and after that, it should just use the old stuff (still around because of static variables). In the demo below, main() represents the main program calling my library and doit() represents the interface to the library function. #include #include #include #include #include void bla(XtAppContext app, Widget top) { Widget topone = top; // in real prog, these are member vars XtAppContext theapp = app; // of a class int junk = 0; Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(theapp, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk, NULL); Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(""blaaa"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, topone, XmNheight, 50, XmNwidth, 50, NULL); XtRealizeWidget(topone); for (int i=0;i<=25;i++) // real prog returns when ""Exit"" button clicked { XEvent event; XtAppNextEvent(theapp, &event); XtDispatchEvent(&event); } XtDestroyWidget(box); XtCloseDisplay(dis); } // SetItUp - should be called once only void SetItUp(XtAppContext *app, Widget *top) { int junk = 0; (*top)=XtAppInitialize (app, ""test"", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0); } // doit - some library function callable from the outside void doit() { static XtAppContext app; // use these every time called static Widget top; static int setup = 0; if (!setup) { SetItUp(&app, &top); setup = 1; } bla(app, top); } // main - program which links to my library main() { for (int i=0;i<=20;i++) { doit(); printf(""sleeping...\n"");//widget still on screen at this point sleep(5); } } The problem is that the widget does not go away until the new one is created. (It is still on the screen -- unusuable -- during the ""sleep"" in the main prog, despite the XtDestroyWidget call). Anyone see something I'm missing? Thanks very much. (Please respond via email) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1711,5,"From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company Lines: 21 Reply-To: Mike O'Connor NNTP-Posting-Host: ope209.iao.ford.com In article <1993Apr16.133856.21829@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: : really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting : (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come : out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for : all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. : Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. : Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely : adopted. Shameless plug -- the Xaw3d widgets make Athena a much nicer alternative than the stock MIT Athena code. ...Mike -- Michael J. O'Connor | Internet: mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com Ford Motor Company, OPEO | UUCP: ...!fmsrl7!opeo!mjo 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001 | Phone: +1 (313) 248-1260 Dearborn, MI 48121 | Fax: +1 (313) 323-6277 " 1712,10,"From: colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA) Summary: Norm Greene Happenings Lines: 20 In article 27089, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Mad Dog) reports: >A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, >or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of >5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted >two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to >play. Are there any further stories to report on the eve' of Norm's farewell from the twin cities? In an earlier post, it was announced that Norm Green was given until midnight of the last home-game of the North Stars to cleanup his belongings and turn in the keys to the arena. Did this happen? Was Norm run-out-of-town? Rumor has it that while he was attempting to remove the score board, the score-board fell to the ice and flattened Mr. Greedy to a large piece of green paper. Arena management had to use the Zamboni (which they confiscated from Norm's truck) to clean-up the useless remains. -- Mike " 1713,7,"From: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails)) Subject: Re: Advise needed in buying Automobile Reply-To: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails)) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 20 From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: Advise needed in buying Automobile >I am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase. Below >are its requirements: > 5. V6 or above Most of the cars you mentioned are below (smaller than) V6 engine. Tony -- +--------------------------------------+ | Name: Antonio L. Balsamo | |Company: Digital Equipment Corp. | | Shrewsbury, Mass. | | Work #: (508) 841-2039 | | E-mail: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com | +--------------------------------------+ " 1714,4,"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: mac portable internal fax modems Organization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures Lines: 8 Does anyone know where I can still get an internal fax modem for the original mac portable? I know they were made for a while by several manufacturers, but I can't find them now. thanks for your help. Gene Wright -- gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) ------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------ " 1715,3,"From: nshah@acs2.bu.edu Subject: SIMM for Sale Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 6 Originator: nshah@acs2.bu.edu I have 1 4Mx9 70ns 36pin SIMM for Sale. It is in perfect condition. It will not work in my system because it requires 72 pin SIMMS. I would like to get what I paid for it. $115 + 3 for insured shipping. In addition, if you have a 4MB 70ns 72 pin EISA or PS/2 type SIMM for sale, drop me a line. Thanks. Nimesh Shah nshah@acs.bu.edu " 1716,19,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: THE DIVINE MASTERS Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 208 THE DIVINE MASTERS Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of God into the physical world, God Incarnate. But there are some very important related facts that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of most other world religions. First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH- STANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus. The followers of some of these Masters founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of their Master in the process. Christians, for example, added THREATS of ""ETERNAL DAMNATION"" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of REincarnation. Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was still PHYSICALLY alive. (THAT IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.) Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the Romans. And emotional ""feelings"" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING indicator for religious validity. These things are similarly true for followers of most other major world religions, including Islam. Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune His Initiates into the ""AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"" or ""SOUND CURRENT"", (referred to as ""THE WORD"" in John 1:1-5, and as ""The River of Life"" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their living physical bodies by a ""silver cord"". True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved only by reaching at least the ""SOUL PLANE"", which is five levels or universes above the physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master. One such Divine Master alive today is an American, Sri Harold Klemp, the Living ""Eck"" Master or ""Mahanta"" for the ""Eckankar"" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 27300; zip 55427). Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the ""Sant Mat"" organization. One of the classic books on this subject is ""THE PATH OF THE MASTERS"" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA 90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in most public and university libraries and some book stores, or obtained thru inter-library loan. The book ""ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS"", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER classic. Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with the ""Anti-Christ"", which is or was to be a temporary world dictator during the so-called ""last days"". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as Jesus was. People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they finally accept Initiation from a PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine Master. RE-INCARNATION The book ""HERE AND HEREAFTER"", by Ruth Montgomery, describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives [about 50% accurate; the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up, especially with a bad hypnotist], SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi- ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel- ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read- ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED BEFORE?!). [ ALWAYS use the ""KING JAMES VERSION"". Later versions are PER-VERSIONS! ] Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES. For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met for the first time in THIS life, because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION. The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.). People would behave much better toward each other if they knew that their actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! ""2nd COMINGS"" If a Divine Master physically dies (""translates"") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when that Initiate physically dies (""translates""), the Master will meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the Soul Plane. This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 2nd Coming. It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something that happens for everyone all at once. People who are still waiting for Jesus' ""2nd Coming"" are WAITING IN VAIN. PLANES OF EXISTENCE The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical Plane is the Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including) the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For example, a sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called ""Hades"", and the Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING manner. The Christian ""Heaven"" is located elsewhere on the Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH The Christian religion demands of its followers an extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). If a person is not HEARING some form of the ""SOUND CURRENT"" (""THE WORD"", ""THE BANI"", ""THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM""), then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE. The ""SOUND CURRENT"" manifests differently for different Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as a Member. This and other experiences (such as ""SOUL TRAVEL"") REPLACE blind faith. For more information, answers to your questions, etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2 addresses). UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine 2nd Initiate in Eckankar, (but not an agent thereof) " 1717,7,"From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni) Subject: Re: mazda - just does not feel right Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 2 The car might also need a front end alignment, particularly if you're describing wandering. " 1718,7,"From: CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) Subject: Insurance Rates on Performance Cars SUMMARY Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 244 NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 I recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single, male drivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars. Here's a summary of the replies I received. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not under 25 anymore (but is 27 close enough). 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/Twin Turbo (300hp model). No tickets, no accidents, own a house, have taken defensive driving 1, airbag, abs, security alarm, single. $1500/year $500 decut. State Farm Insurance (this includes the additional $100 for the $1,000,000 umbrella policy over my car and house) The base policy is the standard $100,000 - $100,000 - $300,000 policy required in DE. After 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5% less. I bought the car in September 1992. The company I was with (never had and accident or ticket in 11 years) quoted me $2,500. Hope this helps. Steve Flynn University of Delaware ======================================================================== 45 Kevin: (Hope I remembered your name correctly)... You asked about insurance for performance cars. Well, last year I was in a similar situation before I bought my car, and made the same inquiry as you. Age: 24 (then and now) Car: 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD Driving Record: Clean State: Illinois Cost: $820/6 mos. I turn 25 in May and the insurance goes down to $520/6 mos. Also, I'm single and that incurs a higher rate with my company. I've got a couple other friends w/ AWDs and they pay more than I do (different ins. companies also), so maybe I'm just lucky. Hope the info helps. Dan [dans@jdc.gss.mot.com] Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group ======================================================================== 38 USA Cc: I'm 23; live in Norman, Oklahoma; drive an '89 Thunderbird SC; have never made a claim against my insurance (though I have been hit several times by negligent drivers who couldn't see stop signs or were fiddling with their radios); and I have had three moving violations in the last 18 months (one for going 85 in a 55; one for ""failure to clear an intersection"" (I still say the damn light was yellow); and one for going 35 in a 25 (which didn't go on my record)). My rates from State Farm (with a passive restraint deduction) on liability, $500 deductible comprehensive, and $500 deductible collision are roughly $1300/year. (I was paying just over $1100/year for a '92 Escort LX.) James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" ======================================================================== 61 I am beyond the ""under 25"" age group, but I have an experience a few years ago that might be interesting to you. I owned a 1985 Toyota Celica GT. I decided to buy myself a gift - a more exotic car. Front runners included the Toyota Supra Turbo and the Porsche 924 (1987 model years). I narrowed it down to those two. I liked the simplicity and handling (and snob appeal, too) of driving a Porsche. The Supra Turbo was less money and had more features and performance - almost a personal luxury car. It had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924. I was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924, but i decided to stop by my insurance agent's office on the way. I asked about what would happen to my rate with either car. ""If you buy the Supra, your rate classification will be the same as the Celica (the '85 Celica was considered a subcompact and for that year was rated as one of the safest cars), with a slight increase because the car will be 2 years newer. Our lower-risk division will continue to handle your account. ""If you buy the Porsche 924, we'll have to change you to the standard [higher] rate company and your rate will double. And if you go with a 944, it's another story again - we'll cover the rest of this year, but cancel you after that."" ""But the Supra is much faster than the 924, and the 924 is actually faster than the [standard] 944. That doens't make sense."" That's what the book says. We don't insure Corvettes, either. For some reason, the underwriters consider Supras - and their drivers - as very traditional and conservative."" I eventually went with the Supra for a number of reasons. The Porsche dealer had a nice salesman to get me interested, but a tough high-pressure guy in the back room. At equal monthly payments, it would have taken a year longer to pay for the Porsche, plus its higher insurance. I concluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto theft. /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion. / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein======= ======================================================================== 32 I live in Idaho. When I was <26 many years ago (10 years) I bought a Trans Am (new). Insurance was about $1300/year. When I turned 26, it immediately dropped to $460/year. I had not had any accidents before or after, this was strictly an age change. That same rate stayed pretty much the same until I sold the car 2 years ago. My F-150 pickup is about $80/year less. The real amazing thing is that when I woke up at age 25, I felt SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIBLE than I was before... :-) Wes ======================================================================== 21 For your information: California Male, single, under 25 , No moving violation Alfa Spider =======> $2000 / year What a bargain!!! ======================================================================== 28 Let's see, I'm 24, single, male, clean driving record. I have a 92 VW COrrado VR6. I live in San Jose, California. I pay ~1500$ a year through Allstate. A good deal if you ask me. I was thinking about getting a Talon, but I think the insurance is higher for a ""turbo"" sports car vs a V6 -W ======================================================================== 27 1986 Honda CRX Si, clean record, in a small New Mexico town was around $800 per year, age 24. Nearby city rates were 1.5X-2X higher than where I've got mine insured. ..robert -- Robert Stack / Institute of Transportation Studies, Univ of California-Irvine stack@translab.its.uci.edu '92 Mazda Protege LX ======================================================================== 37 1300 per year, 1992 Saturn SC, 21 Years old, State: New Mexico, Insurance: State Farm. ======================================================================== 64 Here is my info: Car : '89 Toyota Celica ST Insurance Co : Farmer's Insurance Yearly insurance: $2028 Age : 24 Date of license : Oct 14, 1992 Residence : Mountain View, California No moving violations (for now atleast ;-) Hope this helps. Please post a summary if possible. Vijay ********************************************************************** Vijay Anisetti Email: anisetti@informix.com Apt: (415)962-0320 Off: (415)926-6547 ======================================================================== 38 Single, 24 years old, Eagle Talon Turbo AWD, $1200 (full-cover, reasonable liability) No tickets, No violations, No accidents... (knock on wood...) Mass, One thing that makes a HUGE difference in MASS is the town you live in. I'm personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance of Boston. If I moved to the absolute best it would go down to about $1150, if I moved to the worst it would be $2000+.. Also one accident and a couple of tickets, would probably add another $600... _RV ======================================================================== 43 I have a 1990 Mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd, am 23 years old and have no tickets that went on my record. I live in Illinois just outside of Chicago and pay $1560 a year with full coverage at State Farm. I did get a small discount because of my alarm system($30 a year). I only live 15 miles from Chicago but if I actually lived in the city the price would be about $2000 a year. ======================================================================== 41 I'm over 25, but in case you're interested anyway, I'm insuring a 93 SHO for $287/6 month. Thats 100k personal+300k total+100k property with 250 deductible, glass and towing, State Farm. ======================================================================== 39 Unless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5 years, I think you are being seriously ripped off. I don't have one of the performance cars you listed, but if your record is clean, then you should not be paying over $2K. Did you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find? Although rates are supposed to be standardized, I've found that most places I initially call, give me some ridiculously high quote and *finaly*, I hit one that is much lower. Also, I have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at renewal (no accidents, tickets, car gets older??) to maintain a low rate. You always have to be careful when it comes to insurance companies 8^). Good luck, Serge " 1719,1,"From: tiang@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Tiang) Subject: Re: A Book I found... graphics Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 35 covlir@crockett1c.its.rpi.edu (Locks) writes: Hello, >I happened to spot an excellent book in a bookstore about 4 days ago, >though!!!!!! It is in C++ and assembly. It teaches you the assembly >as it goes along --so if you're like me and have no assembler experience, >don't worry. It has almost everything that I wanted to know and has >-----WORKING----- code. >--Rod Covlin-- I just bought a copy. I can't disagree that it is a very good book. But unfortunately I was looking for the same graphics feature described in this book but _NOT_ in 640x480x16 or 320x200x256 mode. It is easy to accomodate all the pixel ""descriptor"" (or color attributes) in those modes into A0000-AFFFFF, but not in 640x480x256(which is what I am interested in). I haven't finish the book but I affraid the author didn't talk much about this mode(or other SVGA modes). If anyone out there know any good book dealing with fast SVGA graphics manupulation(scrolling, repainting, all other good stuff..) please send me mail. Programming guide to SVGA card is also welcome. Thanks in advance. ************************************************************************ * Tiang T. Foo * * tiang@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu * ************************************************************************ -- ************************************************************************ * Tiang T. Foo * * tiang@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu * ************************************************************************ " 1720,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Keywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: > > It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since > the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball > game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN. What, did you leave the room each of the 100 or so times they said that there WERE NO OTHER NIGHT BASEBALL GAMES? Every break they took back at the studio mentioned it, followed by 'so...we're gonna show you hockey instead.' My wife and I are hoping for rain at every baseball game they have a feed for tommorrow night... Point is, be glad they showed hockey, but if baseball was available anywhere else you can bet you would've watched baseball last night. pete clark " 1721,5,"From: straw@cam.nist.gov (Mike_Strawbridge_x3852) Subject: need help with Athena Text Widget Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology, Gaithersburg, MD Lines: 24 I want to create a single-line Text widget for entering a small amount of text. I want it to be of fixed width, but have a horizontal scrollbar that scrolls automatically when the user types in order to keep the insertion point visible. In trying to do this I have two problems: - The addition of the horizontal scrollbar does not make the text widget taller, but instead it seems to cover part of the text. - The scrollbar does not scroll automatically as the user types in text in order to keep the insertion point visible. Any help is appreciated. Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME: Michael Strawbridge TELE: (301) 975-3852 USMAIL: National Institute of Standards ARPA: straw@cam.nist.gov and Technology UUCP: uunet!cme-durer!straw Rm. B-146, Bldg. 225 Gaithersburg, MD 20899 " 1722,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Deification Organization: Indiana University Lines: 14 In article HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes: >Aaron Bryce Cardenas writes: >After all, what does prophesy mean? Secondly, what is an Apostle? Answer: >an especial witness--one who is suppose to be a personal witness. That means >to be a true apostle, one must have Christ appear to them. Now lets see >when did the church quit claiming ......? Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could be called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were designated and were given power. Remember that there were many thousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them apostles, though. Joe Fisher " 1723,8,"From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) Subject: Solar battery chargers -- any good? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 12 I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)? -- Robert Kennedy Robert Kennedy (415) 723-4532 (office) robert@cs.stanford.edu (415) 322-7367 (home voice) Computer Science Dept., Stanford University (415) 322-7329 (home tty) " 1724,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 27 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes: >> A BILL >> >> To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and >> to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and >> to provide for the enforcement of such right. >Maybe I'm too ""religious,"" but when I see a bill to ""establish a right,"" >I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away. >-- >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... I don't think your objection is beyond the bounds of rationality. The right mentioned in the bill is already established under the Second Amendment; the bill should be reworded to reaffirm the Second Amendment RKBA, and then establish the procedures for redress through the federal court system. The right already exists and is already embodied in our Constitution. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 1725,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > Whatever happens though, the effect of this new chip will be to make > private crypto stand out like a sore thumb. It already does. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 1726,3,"From: khioe@juno.jpl.nasa.gov (Kent Hioe) Subject: Need advice to select sound card ? Keywords: sound card. Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: jpl Lines: 32 Hi, I need some advice from the netland in selecting a sound card. I am about to buy a sound card for my kid. I don't know which one to buy. Which one to select from the following list: - Sound Blaster 16 - Miscrosoft- sound card - Audio Spectrum - Sound Blaster pro - Sound Blaster My allocated budget is around $250. Could some of you know about sound cards help me to select the most appropriate one for my kid ? I have 486-33 Mz OPTI MB. I also have NEC CDROM that I would like to connect to the sound card. Thank you. -- Kent khioe@juno.jpl.nasa.gov " 1727,5,"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) In-Reply-To: singg@alf.uib.no's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 11:19:19 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr21.111919.5281@alf.uib.no> singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde) writes: In article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes: : : |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); |> XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); |> |> Then to draw I do: |> |> XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); |> XFlush( myDisplay); |> |> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: |> |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); |> |> |> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of |> whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If |> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are |> over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor |> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and |> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). |> |> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? |> |> david Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it back to GXxor)... There is a small section in the O'Reilly Xlib books that describes the right thing to do. The key is to set the plane_mask in the GC to the OR of the foreground and background pixel values. -- Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ " 1728,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 14 In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim >community in the Uk and elsewhere. >jon. Grow up, childish propagandist. Gregg " 1729,4,"From: narain@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Nizam Arain) Subject: Floptical Question Article-I.D.: news.C519MM.M2L Reply-To: narain@uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Hi. I am looking into buying a Floptical Drive, and was wondering what experience people have with the drives from Iomega, PLI, MASS MicroSystems, or Procom. These seem to be the main drives on the market. Any advice? Also, I heard about some article in MacWorld (Sep '92, I think) about Flopticals. Could someone post a summary, if they have it? Thanks in advance. (Reply by post or email, whichever you prefer.) --Nizam -- / * \ Nizam Arain \ What makes the universe || || (217) 384-4671 / so hard to comprehend | \___/ | Internet: narain@uiuc.edu \ is that there is nothing \_____/ NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu / to compare it with. " 1730,11,"From: Danny Weitzner Subject: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:47:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: harding.eff.org Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 122 April 16, 1993 INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to robust encryption, and law enforcement issues posed by new technology. However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the National Security Agency. The so-called ""Clipper Chip"" is an 80-bit, split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be classified, but the chips will be available to any manufacturer for incorporation into its communications products. This proposal raises a number of serious concerns . First, the Administration has adopted a solution before conducting an inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper Chip may not be the most secure product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes. Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for the Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards. Second, an algorithm cannot be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet, the Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is open to independent, expert scrutiny. Third, while the use of the use of a split-key, dual escrowed system may prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys? Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive an individual's Fifth Amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? These are but a few of the many questions the Administrations proposal raised but fails to answer. In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy and security. However, the ""Clipper Chip"" solution ought to be considered as part of the inquiry, and not be adopted before the discussion even begins. DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: ESCROW The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it. Upon presentation of a valid court order, the two escrow agents would have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. According to the Presidential Directive just issued, the Attorney General will be asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration have suggested that one non-law enforcement federal agency (perhaps the Federal Reserve), and one non-governmental organization could be chosen, but there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet. CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS The Administration claims that there are no back doors -- means by which the government or others could break the code without securing keys from the escrow agents -- and that the President will be told there are no back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this, Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be made public. The Clipper Chipset was designed and is being produced and a sole-source, secret contract between the National Security Agency and two private firms: VLSI and Mycotronx. NSA work on this plan has been underway for about four years. The manufacturing contract was let 14 months ago. GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al Gore, and maybe even the President. At today's Commerce Department press briefing, a number of people asked this question, though: why would any private organization or individual adopt a classified standard that had no independent guaranty of security or freedom from trap doors? COMPREHENSIVE POLICY INQUIRY The Administration has also announced that it is about to commence an inquiry into all policy issues related to privacy protection, encryption, and law enforcement. The items to be considered include: export controls on encryption technology and the FBI's Digital Telephony Proposal. It appears that the this inquiry will be conducted by the National Security Council. Unfortunately, however, the Presidential Directive describing the inquiry is classified. Some public involvement in the process has been promised, but they terms have yet to be specified. FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Jerry Berman, Executive Director (jberman@eff.org) Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel (djw@eff.org) Full text of the Press releases and Fact Sheets issued by the Administration will be available on EFF's ftp site. Danny Weitzner Senior Staff Counsel, EFF +1 202 544 3077 " 1731,11,"From: rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil (Raymond S. Brand) Subject: ""Clipper Chip"" facts: a request Organization: is a nice thing... Lines: 28 Having read the various ""Clipper"" announcements on the net over the last few days and a LOT of uninformed speculation about the chip, its uses, government plots, etc, I have the following questions. 1) What does the ""Clipper chip"" actually implement? Just the Skipjack cryptographic algorithm? Or does it also implement a ""chip to chip"" communications protocol? If it does implement a communications protocol, can it be used as just a ""crypt chip"" also. 2) Where can the chip specifications and spec sheets be obtained? 3) Who may purchase them and under what conditions? 4) Are there restrictions as to how the chip may be used in a system? 5) The security of the algorithm and the encrypted communications does not appear to require that the ""Family key"" be a secret. Why is it a secret? What happens when the ""family key"" becomes well known? If it's a secret to make traffic analysis more difficult, does the ""Law enforcement message"" contain any random information? How much and how random is it? 6) Can the chip be programmed to reveal the ""Unit key""? The chip ""serial number""? Any of the programming parameters? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raymond S. Brand rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1732,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: [long]: Gun Hearings Day in Massachusetts (April 7) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 263 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com [This is a co-authored report from two of us who were there.] Gun Owners Action League, our state rifle association, started the day with a rally in the secluded courtyard behind the statehouse at 9:30. It was looking sparse (about 40 people) until the speaker began, whereupon about 120 more people followed the loudspeakers from wherever they had been lost, and filled out the area something proud. Mike Yacino of GOAL spoke. One of his best throwaway lines was to remind us that all of us holders of carry permits there had been checked and certified clear of all crimes by the state; while the people in the Statehouse behind us only had to be certified clean of ""election fraud"" to hold their jobs. Nancy Snow and Amos Hamburger were busy handing out ID buttons and sheets describing all the bills to be presented at the hearings, and telling people where to find their own representatives (and in too many cases, who they were). Mike warned us that the committee was going to suspend its rules and discuss a bill that hadn't made it onto the official list. It seems a delegation of students from Simon's Rock of Bard College (alma mater of Wayne Lo, who shot up the place with an SKS late last year) was being bussed in to testify for a bill to ban all sales of firearms or ammo to anyone who is not a state resident. The hearings were originally scheduled in the (large) Gardner Auditorium at 10:30, but that had been pre-empted by the Governor's hearings on the Framingham Eight (women in prison for killing abusive husbands, and seeking release). So we had until 1:30 to buttonhole our representatives, after which we would be squashed into an inadequate hearing room. One of my representatives' staffers was somewhat offensively smarmy. He said, ""Oh, it must be gun hearings day again! The gun lobby is always so organized every year."" I got a little pissed, and replied, ""I'm not from the gun lobby -- I'm from your district."" At 12:30, your second reporter arrived in time to notice a demonstration going on in front of the statehouse (where the pro-gunners weren't). Randy Price from the TV News was there, in his mirror reflective shades, talking to one of the anti-gun types, and several Simon's Rock anti-gun ""close-the-loophole"" protestors. (Earlier, Randy had covered the GOAL rally.) The room we had been assigned seated about 50. Remember, there were about 160 gun owners there, plus another 20-30 students and teachers from Bard. One of us had already reserved a seat; the other never got closer than the atrium outside -- and there was a crowd behind HIM. A cop took up station at the entrance and prevented the rest of the crowd from coming in. Soon after the debate started, a loudspeaker was set up outside in the hall for the benefit of everyone else. Everyone who was there (inside and outside) got to sign up on a sheet saying what their position was on which bills. Most of us signed up to ""support GOAL's position"" on ""all bills."" First, because of their time constraints, public officials got to testify. And first up was the bill that nobody had seen (the students had some curfew, I guess). Currently, Massachusetts law allows a non-resident to purchase long guns or ammo from a local dealer provided he complies with the laws of his own state. Previously, the law was similar, but applied only to non-residents from states adjoining Massachusetts. The Simon's Rock folks called the current law a ""loophole"" and wanted it closed. Two of their reps spoke about Wayne Lo and his ""SKS assault rifle."" The second one, Hodgekiss, a co-sponsor, had done his homework so well that he kept confusing Montana (Wayne Lo's home state) with Missouri, and became belligerent when about five gun owners in the gallery corrected him after his second muff. Carr, from Gloucester, claimed that the new bill would put the law back the way it was, but he was lying: the new bill allows purchases by non-residents of adjoining states ONLY if they have licensing in their own state ""as strong as"" that in Massachusetts. Since none of them do, that's that. Some of the things these two said were really offensive. ""In some of these other states, anyone can buy a gun as long as he's breathing!"" (Oooooo!) ""We have some very, very good gun laws in Massachusetts; if only the other states would adopt the same type of laws, we wouldn't be having this situation -- but they won't."" (Naughty, naughty!) Next up was Boston city councilman Albert ""Dapper"" O'Neill. He was there to testify pro-gun, but in some ways he was a liability. He's reasonably elderly and tends to wander and repeat himself, plus he's almost a caricature of a law-n-order politician. He badmouthed the ACLU, said violent criminals should be executed, and that if he were judge, he'd give arrestees their ""last rights"" (pun intended) on the spot (at which many of the gun owners applauded, which bothered me.) He said that all the proposed gun restrictions were a step in the right direction -- for the criminals. He said this FOUR times :-( Two of the bills under consideration would allow police to rescind a CCW or FID, and confiscate all your guns, if someone had filed a restraining order against you. (Note that the filing of a restraining order requires no warrant, no hearing, no evidence, and no conviction -- just an accusation.) Senator Barrett of Reading testified in favor of it, and patronized the pro-gunners there several times by saying, ""I'm sure all the gun owners here will agree with me that we have to get these weapons out of the hands of people that our courts have convicted."" I haven't seen such a disgustingly disingenuous performance since Nixon whined that he wasn't a crook. Barrett also spoke in favor of the bill making the FID card renewable every five years, instead of permanent as it is now. The stated purpose is to remove FID cards from those who have become ineligible. ""Revenue has nothing to do with it."" (Yeah, right.) Apparently, some congressmen think we're stupid enough to swallow the argument that it's preferable to process 1.6 million renewals every cycle in the vague hope of catching a recent felon than to simply take the goddamn card away from a criminal at conviction time. As usual, hassle the law-abiding instead of the crook. The two co-chairs of the committee were Rep. Caron and Sen. Jujuga. Jujuga didn't say much (he was a co-sponsor of both ""restraining order"" bills) but Caron struck me as a sharp guy that wouldn't let any bad logic or lies on the part of either side to go unchallenged. (He was a co-sponsor of one of the ""restraining order"" bills as well.) One of the younger reps on the committee (forgot his name) was vociferously pro-gun, somewhat embarrassingly so. His heart was in the right place, but his arguments seemed to be confined to, ""every year it's the same damn thing, you come in here with this crap..."" It's nice to have a friend on the committee, but he could have been more effective. At about 3:00, it was clear that the hall-jam couldn't continue. Someone came out of another meeting hall and yelled at the cop because the loudspeaker was disturbing their meeting, so the loudspeaker was disconnected. So they found a bigger hall upstairs. One of us had to leave to catch his charter bus, and so missed the ""public"" testimony; the other got a seat this time. Caron began by talking about how he got his FID 16 years ago, left the state, and then returned without notifying them of his address change. He complained that the state record system was not up-to-date and that his PD back in his city of birth still thought he lived there. Great quote: ""If you purchase a gun today, it will not get into the state computer system until 1999."" (This was also an argument he used against the renewable FID card.) Testimony was heard from several ""battered women,"" one of whom had been attacked by some guy in his 20's who had an FID card because he got it when he was 15 or thereabouts. They used a lot of emotion and said how they were scared of these men. A staffer of Attorney General Harshbarger testified in favor of this anti-gun bill, saying how 50,000 restraining orders were granted last year, and how these women needed to be protected. Caron noted that a restraining order was granted for 10 days, and then a hearing was held to determine whether the order would be extended to a year. He asked whether she would be satisfied if the FID were revoked at the time of this hearing rather than after the initial issuance of the FID. She gave some long rambling circumlocution in response. Then testimony against the bill was heard. Mike Yacino (who looks something like Einstein) got up and made the point that restraining orders were issued on too little evidence, that judges like to issue restraining orders just to let things cool off no matter who they think is right (man or woman), and that the hearings for restraining orders are lightning sessions with little time to consider facts. Atty. Karen McNutt spoke with him a few times during his testimony. Other pro-gunners got up to testify. One said he had had to file a restraining order against a tenant to clear her out, and that she countered by filing one against him! He noted that this would have allowed the state to confiscate his guns if the new bill became law. One of the junior reps noted that ""this is America"" and we have to be certain that individual rights are respected. Senator Jujuga reiterated this, saying that ""people who abuse smaller people can go to Hell as far as I care, but we have to be careful about equating conviction with a restraining order."" (Point and match, Senator.) Another pro-gunner got up and testified that he didn't know his citizenship ""expired every 5 years,"" and that a driver's license was a privilege, not a right like the right to keep and bear arms. A third got up and said the problem was with the criminal justice system, and argued in favor of a death penalty bill and public hangings. Senator Jujuga said he had himself tried to get a death penalty bill passed, and joking responded that he, too, favored public hangings. The speaker then responded, ""I'll make you a deal. You get me the rope, and I'll tie the noose."" Next came public testimony on the Simon's Rock bill. A teacher testified that she had been the teacher of Wayne Lo, and that ""he wouldn't have been able to shoot people inside a building while he was outside"" without his evil gun. She said that the ""loophole"" should be closed to prevent something like this from ""ever happening again"". Four or five other kids testified in favor of this bill, one of spilling tears for the good legislators. One of the students actually shot by Wayne Lo was also there. Many of them had T shirts on, saying, ""As long as one person can buy a gun in anger, none of us are safe -- support gun control."" The committee was reluctant to grill or correct the kids, except for Caron, who corrected one student who had claimed that anyone could apply for an FID. ""Only residents can get FID's,"" he said. (How much do you want to bet that this kid had no idea he had been conned into testifying for a bill that would cut out-of-staters completely off?) Yacino and McNutt spoke again, this time noting that the bill as written would affect both ammo AND ALL guns possessed by out-of-staters. Karen also noted that hunters in CT, NH, and VT could be put away for a year if they wandered across the MA boundary somewhere in the woods and got challenged by game wardens. Yacino underscored the fact that Lo COULD have gotten an FID as a resident student -- and, hell, even an CCW, as he had NO criminal or mental record. One junior rep was upset that it would take MA residents longer to buy a gun than out-of-staters, and thought it was ""elitist"". Another (Caron?) said that we need the protection of preventing non-residents from buying without an FID because only two other states in the union had ""FID-type"" cards, so complying with all the laws of one's home state was ""not enough."" One pro-gun speaker replied that this resembled a mother watching her son in a marching band and exclaiming, ""Everyone's out of step but Johnny!"" All the Bard College people were filing out as the pro-gun testimony for this bill was made, and thus only pro-gunners were around when the other bills came under consideration. The main bills remaining (and GOAL's position) were: o H.4375 and four others: Notify police chiefs so they can pull licenses when a holder is convicted (strongly supported) o H.1732: Require trigger locks on all handguns sold (opposed) o H.962: Require trigger locks on all loaded firearms (strongly opposed) o H.1350: Allow every municipality to enact their own gun laws (opposed) o H.1731: Fund bullet-proof vests for municipal police (supported) o S.1097: State Constitutional Amendment for the RKBA (supported) o Several on police discretion in the issuance of FID cards (opposed) o Several altering non-resident license conditions (supported) o H.1135: Ban damn near all guns everywhere in the state (guess!) Some of these took only 30 seconds to consider, as the remaining pro-gunners raised hands in unison either for or against them. Mike Yacino noted that, besides the danger in screwing with a trigger lock on a loaded gun, that bill would make it illegal for a licensee to carry his concealed handgun unless it were locked. Caron blew right through H.1350 when he saw that we opposed it. Again, he brought up the state's archaic records capability and said, ""This would create hundreds of different licensing systems."" The session ran late -- since it was the last scheduled hearing, it could not be adjourned until everyone who wanted to had testified. It ended at about 6:30. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 1733,2,"Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Lines: 28 In article <1993APR21.210954.40516@DATAMARK.CO.NZ>, thomas@datamark.co.nz writes: |> In article <1993Apr21.082152@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: |> >Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a |> >Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet |> >class error or something the like... |> |> How are you attempting to do that? |> |> Are you using the DIS_PKT9 program? This provides a packet driver on |> top of the NDIS driver. |> I tried to do so, but people told me that even if I used DISPKT, the packets would still be incompatible. Is this true ? |> -- |> Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz Work: 64 4 233 8186 __o |> Technical Writer | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz Home: 64 4 499 3832 _-\<, |> Wellington, NZ | Hound for hire. Will work for dog biscuits. (_)/(_) Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be " 1734,6,"From: yhdw@quads.uchicago.edu (stephen t parker) Subject: DOS 5.0 Reply-To: yhdw@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 Posting for a friend. Reply to him, not to me. For Sale: Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Release date: 11/11/91 3 1/2"" diskettes manual in perfect conditioni best offer accepted (I pay shippinig) Contact Randall at: Randall_Clark@byu.edu (801) 222-0834 (home) (801) 378-2722 (work) " 1735,15,"From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Lines: 38 pwhite@empros.com (Peter White) relates a story about a person who gives a message in tongues which consists entirely of the words pu' ka. He was asked to refrain from doing that. >Well, Brother Puka controlled himself for a while, but a few weeks >later, the church had invited a missionary in to speak. At the time of >the meeting where tongues and interpretation were appropriate, who >should arise to speak but Brother Puka. And off he went as before, >all the words were Puka. The pastor was about to apologize for this >embarrassment when the missionary arose to speak saying that he >was sorry that he did not have the interpretation but that he could >give the translation. In a tribe where he had worked, they only had >one word in the language, puka. Meaning was derived from the inflection >and other voice qualities. Brother Puka had given a perfectly inflected >and reasonable message. Nice story but it sets off my urban legend (or is it charismatic legend?) alarms. Can the linguists on the net identify the language from the description? Or can they even attest that such a language exists. It seems to be odd enough (at least by the standards of European languages) that if it exists, it should be reasonably well known to linguists as an extreme case of something or other. Or have I just overreacted to your basic shaggy dog story? Will ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | | Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | | Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | | But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1736,4,"From: farrar@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Scott Farrar) Subject: Re: Caps Lock vs. control ( was:Re: Apple keyboard ) Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu Please excuse and redirect me if this has already been answered, but is there a small utility that switches the functionality of the caps-lock key and the ctrl key on the powerbook keyboard? I use the ctrl key far more than caps-lock, so it would be more convenient and comfortable. Thank you for any help, Scott Farrar " 1737,7,"From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 21 Distribution: world Reply-To: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pookie.pass.wayne.edu I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn way of doing business and service was a *very* big plus. I hadn't bought a new car since I bought my Honda 4WD back in '85, and I was unbelieveably offended by most salespeople I met. Saturn was indeed very different. I made three different visits to the dealer where I bought my car, and was never pressured. Saturn also had the best after-sales support, and the fixed pricing made it *very* easy for me to decide exactly what I wanted to buy. Another big selling point was running into my mechanic at the dealer. He's been fixing imports for 20 years...and bought a Saturn, based on what he's seen and heard from his customers. Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles, fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any warranty work, without counting against the refund. --mike " 1738,9,"Subject: Chris Webber chokes From: krueger@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (theodore r krueger) Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 11 After the marvelous ""time-out"" call by Chris Webber (which resulted in a technical foul, since his team had no time-outs left) perhaps Webber will take the place of Bill Buckner as the master of choke. At least this Red Sox fan hopes so. Ted -- When Chelsea Clinton's Secret Service agent had to be replaced by an active duty soldier she objected on the grounds that her family dislikes the military. ----- krueger@gas.uug.arizona.edu ----- " 1739,17,"From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Nntp-Posting-Host: c.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Lines: 34 In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >I said: > In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > > > > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > > don't count? > > Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are > ""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. > >...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it >gets. And why are we in Somalia? When right across the Gulf of Aden are some of the wealthiest Arab nations on the planet? Why does the US always become the point man for this stuff? I don't mind us helping out; but what invariably happens is that everybody expects us to do most of the work and take most of the risks, even when these events are occuring in other people's back yards, and they have the resources to deal with them quite well, thank you. I mean, it's not like either Serbia, or Somalia represent some overwhelming military force that their neighbors can't handle. Nor are the logistics a big deal -- it's a lot bigger logistical challenge to get troops and supplies from New York to Somalia, than from Saudi Arabia; harder to go from Texas to Serbia, than Turkey or Austria to Serbia. ---peter " 1740,5,"From: webster@ucssun1.sdsu.EDU (paolini p) Subject: ftp:UNIX-dos-UNIX Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I'm an new to this. Having found some files (public) to look into, I ftp'ed them to a system I have access to. I then used kermit to transmit them via modem to my host computer, a PC-based file system. I access internet through modem access to a university mainframe. From the PC file server, I pull the files to a disk, and then pull them from disk to a SGI Indigo (the SGI is not networked yet). When I try to uncompress and un-tar the files, they either come out as garbage or I get an error in the tar process about directories being invalid. What I'm wondering about is the transfer of UNIX files (compressed, binary,ascii) about multiple platforms. My guess is that it is the copy to a 'dos' disk that is screwing things up. Any help is appreciated. bob " 1741,5,"From: brian@mdavcr.mda.ca (Brian Lemire) Subject: Joining the X Consortium ???? Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3 Lines: 6 Hi, Does anyone have any information on joining the X Consortium ? What are the costs, what are the benefits, who should I contact ? Thanks " 1742,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr16.083029.12516@umr.edu> ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) w rites: >In article <1993Apr16.031616.23130@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus. acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >> >>This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the >>1980 election. >> >>This whole ""USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it"", is not only lame , >>pathetic, and old....... it's wrong. >> >>Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more tha n >>the entire economy of Germany, a ""kind, gentle"" country, in many peoples' >>books. What a joke. > >Drive down to Cincinnati and take a look. Not pretty, is it? But drive UP to Cleveland and it is about 10,000 times better. I from Toledo originally (but that place always as sucked as long as I've been on the planet. >Things were much better there in 1980. All that growth went into >the hands of Ron and Georgie's pals, and I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE >DIME OF IT, DAMMIT. And, now, I'm gonna be bled to death by tax >leeches to pay for the damage. F***ing great. Republicans have been trying to pass a balanced budget amendment for the last ten years. > >Oh, here's another thing. Seems like a lot of people in >Columbus drive over to Marysville and make Japanese cars. Hm. Because for a while, the American companies couln't even compete in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, where free trade isn't even an issue. However, even the automobile pendelum has swung back to the Big 3. >I wonder how many American-owned companies employ those in >Central Ohio? Other than Ohio State University. :) Oh, I don't know. It's probably in the tens of thousands. Ryan " 1743,9,Subject: Giants Win The Pennant!!!! From: mrosales@koko.csustan.edu (Maria Rosales) Distribution: usa Organization: CSU Stanislaus Lines: 4 Giants Win the Pennant!! Giants Win the Pennant !! Gi... OOOPS I guess I'm a little early here... See you in October... 1744,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: insect impacts Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 64 I feel childish. In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes: >In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>>> >>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it? >>> >>>Um, the same way people do it on >>>horseback >> >>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway > >Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat >flies, thank you. Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute. >>>jeeps >> >>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up > >then why does it go down? Because it wouldn't be a Jeep if it didn't. A friend of mine just bought one and it has more warning stickers than those little 4-wheelers (I guess that's becuase it's a big 4 wheeler). Anyway, it's written in about ten places that the windshield should remain up at all times, and it looks like they've made it a pain to put it down anyway, from what he says. To be fair, I do admit that it would be a similar matter to drive a windscreenless Jeep on the highway as for bikers. They may participate in this discussion, but they're probably few and far between, so I maintain that this topic is of interest primarily to bikers. >>>snow skis >> >>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles > >So do most helmetless motorcyclists. Notice how Ed picked on the more insignificant (the lower case part) of the two parts of the statement. Besides, around here it is quite rare to see bikers wear goggles on the street. It's either full face with shield, or open face with either nothing or aviator sunglasses. My experience of bicycling with contact lenses and sunglasses says that non-wraparound sunglasses do almost nothing to keep the crap out of ones eyes. >>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets >>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings? > >helmetless != goggleless Ok, ok, fine, whatever you say, but lets make some attmept to stick to the point. I've been out on the road where I had to stop every half hour to clean my shield there were so many bugs (and my jacket would be a blood-splattered mess) and I'd see guys with shorty helmets, NO GOGGLES, long beards and tight t-shirts merrily cruising along on bikes with no windscreens. Lets be really specific this time, so that even Ed understands. Does anbody think that splattering bugs with one's face is fun, or are there other reasons to do it? Image? Laziness? To make a point about freedom of bug splattering? I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 1745,16,"From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Nntp-Posting-Host: sora.icd.ab.com Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Lines: 57 oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) babbles: What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. If they'd gone to the door and knocked on it to serve the warrant, like the Sheriff had done 3 other times, they wouldn't have needed to HAVE an initial assault. But then, Herr Klinton and Attorney Gen'l Reno wouldn't have been able to have told such heroic stories about how they ""protected"" the rest of us from a group of people who kept to themselves, miles out in the prairie. The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. The BATF needs to be disbanded. This out of control group of Rambo wannabees is a danger to the Republic. With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Well, I figure you're going to get flamed pretty badly by everybody else for this incredibly stupid statement, so I'll just let it pass for now. Case Western reserve, huh? Do the Feds know about that big stockpile of automatic weapons and crack you have in your house? Are you the same Daniel Oldham that lives on Orchard Drive? Just so they get the address right, that is... Look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours. Well, it used to be a great country. Now I'm not so sure. I knew a few of those good people who died in wars; I was in Viet Nam. I can assure you, none of us fought to protect the right of the government to attack its own citizens with military force without provocation. (Hint: serving a search warrant is NOT sufficient provocation to stage a military style assault on a religious group. At Least not here in the US. Maybe in Iraq, or Syria...) With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later. This is a joke, right? Or are they really letting fools like you into CWRU now? Too bad. Used to be a good school. How'd you get in anyway, did your old man buy a new wing for the library? " 1746,3,"From: browning@nscf.org (Charles W. Browning) Subject: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!!! ** Organization: National Science Center Foundation Summary: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!! ** Keywords: Hard Disk Lines: 17 I have a new MR535 Mitsubishi hard drive (RLL or MFM) that has been in storage and will not format. I suspected that the switch settings may have been moved in the movement of the drive from one place to another. Does anyone have the switch settings for this drive. It has J1 SW1 with 6 switches and SW2 has 8 switches. SW2 is the one that selects the drive number. If you have info on this drive, or know a number I can call to configure it, please, please let me know by email. It has 977 cyl 5 heads and I think is type 17. Thanks in advance! Chuck Browning -- ***************************************************** * Charles W. Browning * browning@galois.nscf.org * * University of GA * browning@moe.coe.uga.edu * * Augusta, Georgia * cbrowni@eis.calstate.edu * " 1747,12,"From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc109 Organization: Ostfold College In article sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how >effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? > > With highest regards, > Babak Sehari. One of the easiest, and really very used ways of copyprotection, is to mark a specific sector on the installation disk bad. This is very easy to get around, though, if you have any knowledge of hw-hacking, but most 'normal' users (yes those lowly key-punchers) don't. Whatever you do, please do _not_ use a hardware key. These were very popular a few years ago, and they STINK!! MAIL-mail: gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no SNAIL-mail: Gunnar Horrigmo gunnarh@fenris.dhhalden.no Oskleiva 17 N-1772 Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: The above posting may seem like insignificant rubbish at first glance, but if you read between the lines, you will be surprised to discover the annals of Burt Bacharach, world peace, Oxford Advanced Readers Dictionary, quantum physics made easy, and an easy-to-use step-by-step walkthrough on how to make a time travelling device that actually works. " 1748,6,"From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry) Subject: For Sale: 1969 karmann ghia Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 25 Distribution: ba NNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu ******************************************************* 1969 karmann ghia ******************************************************* This car is in excellent running condition: ********* *49,000 mi on new engine *new tires (Aug 92) *new clutch (91) *new carb (91) *original radio (am/fm) *upholstery in great shape *burgundy exterior/ black interior This car has been well-maintained with regular tune-ups. Unfortunately, the car's previous owner had a minor front-end collision. The right front nose is dented and patched up with bondo. I have the hard-to-find part needed to repair this damage. Besides that damage, the car is in excellent condition. $1600/bo Courtney email: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu phone (after 5 on weekdays): 510-704-9237 " 1749,6,"From: ac999135@umbc.edu (ac999135) Subject: <><><> WANTED: TG-16 Games --- 2 Player or More <><><> Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 6 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: ac999135 Well, the title says it all...I'm looking to buy cheap used TG-16 Gmaes which have 2 or more player support (Simultaneous).... Please email me all offers with a price... Rohit " 1750,0,"From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: rtfm.sps.mot.com In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: [deletions] > >The fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of >Rushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of >the ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant >will of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa >against the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The >crime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being >played out (and played up) in the the full view of the media. > >P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of ""shatim"" also >applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella >of the ""fasad"" ruling. If this is grounded firmly in Islam, as you claim, then you have just exposed Islam as the grounds for terrorism, plain and simple. Whether you like it or not, whether Rushdie acted like a total jerk or not, there is no acceptable civilized basis for putting someone in fear of their life for words. It simply does not matter whether his underlying motive was to find the worst possible way he could to insult Muslims and their beliefs, got that? You do not threaten the life of someone for words - when you do, you quite simply admit the backruptcy of your position. If you support threatening the life of someone for words, you are not yet civilized. This is exactly where I, and many of the people I know, have to depart from respecting the religions of others. When those beliefs allow and encourage (by interpretation) the killing of non-physical opposition. You, or I or anyone, are more than privledged to believe that someone, whether it be Rushdie or Bush or Hussien or whover, is beyond the pale of civilized society and you can condemn his/her soul, refuse to allow any members of your association to interact with him/her, _peacably_ demonstrate to try to convince others to disassociate themselves from the ""miscreants"", or whatever, short of physical force. But once you physically threaten, or support physical threats, you get much closer to your earlier comparison of rape - with YOU as the rapist who whines ""She asked for it, look how she was dressed"". Blaming the victim when you are unable to be civilized doesn't fly. Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637 " 1751,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!) Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr17.015225.29031@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >* The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. > There was an article in one of the Toronto papers about this a few months ago...probably the Globe and Mail... ...any ethical ""journalist"", even a sports journalist should not accept free meals from a team in any case, which was the one of the points the article was making. Admittdly, most sports reporting is mostly with any ethical standards... Gerald " 1752,7,"From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: elba Organization: Progress Software Corp. Lines: 34 hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: >>bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Woody"" Moss) writes: >> >>>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in >>>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring >>>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot >>>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil >>>though. >> >>You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get >>an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to >>punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water > ^^^^^^^^ >>on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-) >> >>-Steve >Gee, you really make me confused. What is radiator? Where is it located? >What does it look like? Will it release any radiation (since it sounds >like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes? Of course it releases radiation! Thats why your car goes faster when you punch the holes in it. All that radiation gets on your engine and gives it ""pep"" (scientific term). You get more horsepower & torque too! If you don't know what HP & torque are, you can read mile long threads on the subject, but they are all wrong. Horsepower is how much power a horse can make pulling a Subaru, and torque is a name invented by Craftsman for a wrench. -Steve " 1753,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: access.1pstuo$k4n Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Bryan Smale (smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca) writes: > I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest > surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Team Biggest Biggest > Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau My votes (FWIW): Team MVP: Pat Verbeek. He fans on 25% of goal mouth feeds, but he still has 36 goals after a terrible start and has been an examplary (sp?) team captain throughout a tough couple of seasons. Honorable mention: Nick Kypreos and Mark Janssens. Probably more appropriate in the unsung heroes category than MVP, but Kypreos (17 goals, 320+ PIM) has been the hardest working player on the team and Janssens is underrated as a defensive center and checker. I guess I place a greater emphasis on hard work than skill when determining value. Biggest surprise: Geoff Sanderson. He had 13 goals and 31 points last season as a center, then moved to left wing and has so far put up 45 goals and 80+ points. He now has a new Whaler record 21 power play goals, most all coming from the right wing faceoff circle, his garden spot. Honorable mention: Andrew Cassels and Terry Yake. The kiddie quartet of Sanderson, Poulin, Nylander, and Petrovicky have been attracting the most attention, but Cassels is just 23 and will score close to 90 points this season. He has quite nicely assumed the role of number one center on the team and works very well with Sanderson. Yake bounced around the minors for a number of seasons but is still 24 and will put up about 20 goals and 50 points this season. Yake, like Sanderson, started performing better offensively once he was converted from center to wing, although lefty Sanderson went to the left wing and righty Yake went to the right side. Biggest disappointment: Hands down, John Cullen. Cullen had a disasterous 77 point season last year, his first full season after The Trade. Cullen started the season off of summer back surgery, and fell flat on his face (appropriate, since he spent all of his Whaler career flat on his ass, and whining about it). Cullen scored just 9 point on 19 games, was a clubhouse malcontent, commanded the powerplay to a 9% success percentage (>21% with Sanderson), and sulked his way out of town. Worst of all, his 4 year, $4M contract had three years left to run, so no one would give up any more than the 2nd round draft pick the Maple Leafs offered to Hartford. Honorable mention: Steve Konroyd, also subpar after signing a 3 year, $2.1M contract; Eric Weinrich, who showed flashes of competence, but overall has played poorly; Jim McKenzie, who was a much better hockey player two seasons ago than he is now; and Frank Pietrangelo, who only seemed to play well when Sean Burke was out for an extended period and he got to make a number of starts in a row. -SG (a real live Hartford Whalers season ticket holder) -steveg@cadkey.com " 1754,5,"From: pmcgilla@hp.uwsuper.edu (Mr. Patrick L. McGillan) Subject: DXF format display Organization: University of Wisconsin - Superior Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.81.1.3 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] HI, I am looking for an X app that will display dxf files. These are ascii text files that are normally associated with autocad. I have a large 9 meg. file of the state of wisconsin that i would like to views and or cut into smaller chunks. I also would like to find a complete file layout for dxf files. Any information would be appreciated. -- Patrick L. McGillan Computer Systems Specialist University Of Wisconsin Ph: (715) 394-8191 Superior, Wisconsin pmcgilla@uwsuper.edu " 1755,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Name of MD's eyepiece? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13 In article clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes: >|> |It's not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never > >A speculum? The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope. There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are all too familiar with. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1756,15,"From: harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood) Subject: Re: Essene New Testament Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 Lines: 11 [William Christie asked about the Essene NT. Andrew Kille reponded >There is a collection of gospels which usually goes under the name of the >""Essene Gospel of Peace."" These are derived from the gnostics, not the >essenes, and are ostensibly translations from syriac texts of the fourth >and fifth centuries (I vaguely recall; I can't find my copy right now). --clh] There had been recent criticism of this in a listserv for academic Biblical scholars: they all say the book(s) are modern fakes. D.H. " 1757,3,"From: s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) Subject: Re: 80386 and 80486: What's the difference? Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 38 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tut.fi In joedal@dfi.aau.dk (Lars Joedal) writes: >Except from clock frequency, what are the differences between the >various types of 386 and 486 processors? >The following is a list with what I know (or perhaps only what I >think I know!). Can anybody extend & correct? >80386: True 32 bit processor. > (cache?) No cache. >80386SX: Emulates 80386 with a 16 bit bus. >80486: True 32 bit processor. > Internal mathematical coprocessor (Correct?) Correct. > Internal cache (Correct? How big?) 8kB. > (extended instruction set in any way?) Was it six instructions? >80486SX: Probably sorta like 80486... 80486DX without the mathematical coprocessor (FPU). >80486DX: Probably sorta like 80386... Actually, the 80486 you described above is 80486DX. (There is no separate 80486 nor 80386, either). This is for Intel processors. Does anyone have a complete list with Cyrix and Ibm products? Anssi -- Anssi Saari s106275@ee.tut.fi Tampere University of Technology Finland, Europe " 1758,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 24 hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: >bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: > >>Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two >>contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat >>denials. I've never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are >>indeed two different accounts of creation. > >That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of >a difficulty with the Bible. ""were formed"" can also be translated ""had been >formed"" in chapter two without any problems. So the text does not demand >that there are two creation stories. Really? I don't get it... Genesis first says that God created the earth, then the animals, then humans; then it turns around and says that humans were created before animals! How can you escape this contradiction? -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 1759,10,"From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) Subject: Dear Montana@pinetree.org Re: Hockey Pool Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 15 Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire adress, or even your dotted decimal address? (ie. 131.202.3.10) Thanks, rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard - " 1760,7,"From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner Article-I.D.: world.C51Hn0.2JI Organization: IntraNet, Inc. Lines: 18 In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes: > >Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at >the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range. >How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget >allows, the Land Cruiser? Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list. Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires. And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand. -- Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020 " 1761,1,From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Package for Fashion Designer? Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 1 This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader. 1762,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: usa Lines: 24 ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes: > > Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it >just Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of >you who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all >the production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even >reaped any $ made... No, Caleb, it's not the quality of ESPN that I have a problem with; it is superb, whereas it did not evolve beyond the point where ESPN left off when hockey went to SC (this is excepting SC's use of feeds from CBC (-;). It's the amount of hockey they're showing, or lack of it, that we're complaining about. They had rights to two OT's that could've been shown on Sunday night after baseball ... and they had pickup trucks racing through oversized pigpens followed by Super-8 home movies of old car races (yes, I was checking in desperation for Canucks-Jets) last night after SportsCenter. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 1763,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr20.141137.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: > In article <1qve4kINNpas@sal-sun121.usc.edu> schaefer@sal-sun121.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer) writes: > >>|> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >>|> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > >>Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the >>feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY! > > Depends. If you assume the existance of a working SSTO like DC, on billion > $$ would be enough to put about a quarter million pounds of stuff on the > moon. If some of that mass went to send equipment to make LOX for the > transfer vehicle, you could send a lot more. Either way, its a lot > more than needed. > > This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is > enough to do it if the vehicle exists. > > Allen > > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | > | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | > +----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ Or have different classes of competetors.. and made the total purse $6billion or $7billion (depending on how many different classes there are, as in auto racing/motocycle racing and such).. We shall see how things go.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 1764,15,"From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 98 seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks: > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it. Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan whore goddess of fertility. Therefore, your question to me is ""what is the objection to celebration of the pagan whore goddess?"" When phrased that way I suspect (or at least I would HOPE) that it becomes immeadiately apparent what my objection to ""celebrating"" her would be. > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. No, you are thinking perhaps of ""Ressurection Sunday"" I think. (Though I'm not too crazy about the word ""Sunday"", but I certainly like this phrasing much better than envoking the name of the whore goddess.) For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of First Fruits). Torah commands that this be observed on the day following the Sabbath of Passover week. (Sunday by any other name in modern parlance.) Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured? Why jump it all over the calendar the way Easter does? Why not just go with the Sunday following Passover the way the Bible has it? Why seek after unbiblical methods? > I don't recall a command in Scripture for us to celebrate > the resurrection, but it is the sole and only reason that > we are Christians--how could we not celebrate it? So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore goddess)? I am all for celebrating the Resurrection. Just keep that whore out of the discussion. > If it is only the name which is a problem, I suggest that if > we are too concerned about etymology, there are a lot of > words we are going to have to drop. (As an aside, some > terminally PC people here in Ottawa want dictionaries to be > altered so that there are no negative definitions associated > with the word _black_, so as not to offend people of colour. Yes, I have heard of your newspapers speaking of the need to repave streets with ""Afro-Canadiantop"". (I still think ""blacktop"" sounds better though.) > As a short person, I hope they will also remove the definition > ""curt or surly"" associated with my physical description.) Fine by me. And while we are at it, the left-handed people are both ""sinister"" and ""gauche"" so we probably will have some objections from that quarter as well. > In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the > resurrection is ""Pa^ques""--this is etymologically related > to Pesach (Passover) and the pascal lamb. So is the > French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration better > because it uses the right name? Yes, that sounds much better to me. Is there anyone out there would thinks that phrasing sounds worse? > So from this I infer that there are different rules for > Christians of Jewish descent? What happened to ""there is > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for > all are one in Christ Jesus""? Read the letter to Philemon. Now tell me, was Philemon's ""slave"" returned to him? Were there different rules upon the slave than upon Philemon? How about male and female? Are there different ""rules"" that apply to them as well? Or if there is no more ""male and female"" can Adam and Steve get married to each other in your congregation? Yes, there are differences in form and function. But the way we come to Salvation in Messiah remains the same no matter what our position in life. --------------------------------------- [I am in general not in favor of continuing this discussion, as it seems repetitive, but this particular point is one that I believe is new -- the objection is not to having a holiday but to its name. I'd like to suggest that people think very carefully about this argument. Words often change their meaning over time. The days of the week are of course originally based on pagan gods. Some Christians prefer to refer to ""first day"", ""second day"", etc. However the majority of Christians have not been persuaded. The question seems to be whether it makes any difference what the dictionary shows as the derivation of a word, if what people mean by it and think when they use it is different. Indeed I'd like to suggest that postings like this could themselves be dangerous. Suppose people in general use Easter to mean the celebration of Christ's resurrection. Postings trying to convince them that they really mean a celebration in honor of some godess run the risk of creating exactly the situation that they claim to oppose. They are doing their best to *create* a linkage in people's minds between their celebration and the pagan goddess. It's not clear that this is a healthy thing. --clh] " 1765,6,"From: jb@access.digex.com (jb) Subject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\ LIFETIME MEMERSHIP /// Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes: > >For sale: Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club. The >original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600. The >membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork. > Does is include raquetball? Is it good at Espree? What is the annual fee? Thanks, John " 1766,5,"From: tom@CapMgtSci.COM (Thomas Tulinsky) Subject: MANUAL unsubscribe REQUEST Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I am on the list under two addresses, I think: tom@capmgtsci.com and zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com Please delete the second one, zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com Thanks. Sorry for the screw up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Tulinsky Capital Management Sciences West Los Angeles tom@CapMgtSci.com 310 479 9715 " 1767,12,"From: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young) Subject: ATTN: H. Wheaton, UCal Davis Nntp-Posting-Host: 136.182.211.36 Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure) Distribution: usa Lines: 11 I tried to E-mail you, but the message bounced. Motorola has a University Support Program through which (I've been told) folks at schools can get sample quantities of parts. If you'd like to try this route, e-mail me for the address/phone #...I don't wish to post it for all the world to see. Dick Young Motorola, Inc. (Who doesn't have a thing to do with my opinions: They're my own fault.) " 1768,13,"From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald) Subject: Re: jiggers Article-I.D.: aries.mcdonald.895.734049502 Organization: UIUC SCS Lines: 13 In article <78846@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: >This wouldn't happen to be the same thing as chiggers, would it? >A truly awful parasitic affliction, as I understand it. Tiny bugs >dig deeply into the skin, burying themselves. Yuck! They have these >things in Oklahoma. Close. My mother comes from Gainesville Tex, right across the border. They claim to be the chigger capitol of the world, and I believe them. When I grew up in Fort Worth it was bad enough, but in Gainesville in the summer an attack was guaranteed. Doug McDonald " 1769,17,"From: albert@olizei.aiva.lt (Albert Meltser) Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers... What are you ``joking'' dark so much for? Distribution: world Organization: Lithuanian-Israeli Joint Stock Company OLIZEI Reply-To: albert@olizei.aiva.lt Keywords: Ani ohev et kolkhem -- 'Uhibbu kullukum -- I love you all Lines: 32 > Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it > take to kill a 5 year old native child? > > A: Four > > Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, > and one writes up a false report. > > -- > / .. / . > /_______/_/__________/_/_/ _< /____/ > /___ / .. /____/ > 1. There is a similar idea here in ex-USSR about how many militioners it needs to place a new electric lamp. The answer is nine: one stays on a table and holds the lamp, four hold the table and turn it and yet four run around the table in opposite direction not to make the first feel bad (when being turned). Pitily, it lacks this kind of dark humour as Nick's msg does. 2. To my mind the signature should be smth like: / _ __ / . /_______/_/_______________ /________ /____/ /___ / _ / Albert -- _ .. I _ .. II ___I__/__)____I__I__(_) I____I ___I__II __) ' __) . " 1770,9,"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 24 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: > e, >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Helll >is he thinking. If memory serves me well, Alicea hit it, and damn near tied the game. Torre obviously knows his players better than you do. See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu " 1771,19,"From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr18.020655.14233@news.cs.brandeis.edu> deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >Okay, I'll bite. I should probably leave this alone, but what the heck... > >In article <1993Apr14.124301.422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, >gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: >>In article popec@brewich.hou.tx.us >>(Pope Charles) writes: >> >>>Rhoemer was the name of the guy responsible for much of the uniforms, >>>and props used by the early Nazis in their rallies and such. >> >>The name is Roehm, not Rhoemer. And Hitler does claim that he came up >>with the Swastika business. > >But didn't he credit the actual flag design to a party member - some dentist or >other? I believe he gives such credit in Mein Kampf. > >>>He was killed in an early Nazi purge. He and many of his associates >>>were flaming homosexuals well know also for their flamboyant orgies. >> >>I have been trying to find if there is any actual evidence for this >>common assertion recently. Postings to such groups as soc.history and >>soc.culture.german has not uncovered any net.experts who could provide >>any. > >Well, I'm no expert, but all of the histories of Nazi Germany assert this. They >make reference to several scandals that occurred long before ""the night of the >long knives"". The impression that I got was that homosexuality in portions of >the SA was common knowledge. Also, a book (by a homosexual author whose name >escapes me at the moment) called ""Homosexuals in History"" asserts that Roehm >and Heines were homosexuals, as well as others in Roehm's SA circle. [Rest deleted. Can anybody out in a.p.h help out?] Find out about ""the night of the brown shirts"". -- =kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= =My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= " 1772,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 26 <1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu> <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu>, <1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu's message of 21 Apr 1993 19:16:51 GMT In article <1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: In article , steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: >Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) Sherzer Methodology!!!!!! Hell, yes. I'm not going to let a bunch of seven suits tell me what the right way to estimate cost effectiveness is, at least not until they can make their mind up long enough to leave their scheme stable for a fiscal year or two. Seriously though. If you were to ask the British government whether their colonisation efforts in the Americas were cost effective, what answer do you think you'd get? What if you asked in 1765, 1815, 1865, 1915 and 1945 respectively? ;-) * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * If you ever have to go to Shoeburyness * * Take the A-road, the ok road, that's the best! * * Go motoring on The A13! - BB 1983 * " 1773,4,"From: bchase@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Bret Chase) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu In article wis@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. W.I. Sellers) writes: >Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote: >: In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >: >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > >: > The LC family of Macs can only >: > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. > >: Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the >: difference is between PDS and Nubus? > >: Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a >: Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to >: locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for >: this? > >I think that there do exist NuBus expansion cages (I'm sure I've seen >them advertised occassionally), but I think that the main problem is that >they cost much more than the difference in price between say a LC and IIvx >so unless you need lots of NuBus slots its not worth the bother. > >(Of course, it may be that these extra boxes are so expensive because >no one buys them because they are so expensive...) > >NuBus technology isn't a special Apple Proprietry thing (I have this >sneaky feeling that it is licensed from Texas Instruments???) so there >is no problem building an expansion box. Apple uses the IEEE Nubus-90 standard for their 32 bit backplane bus. (I got this from a technote that I reada couple of weeks ago) >>>>>>>>>>other stuff deleted<<<<<<<<< Hope this helps, Bret Chase -- internet:bchase@wpi.wpi.edu Macintosh! bellnet: (508) 791-3725 Smile! It won't kill you! snailnet: wpi box 3129 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 100 institute rd. Worcester, MA 01609-2280 " 1774,11,"From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 12 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just >call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions >from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from >TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. Note that TEMPEST is the name of the shielding standard. TEMPEST is not the name of the surveillance technique. Ken Shirriff shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU Disclaimer: this is what I've heard and it's in the sci.crypt FAQ, so it's probably true but I can't guarantee it. I'd like to know if I'm wrong. " 1775,13,"From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) Subject: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK? Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 28 I love the FAQ. The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well? Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to 95%? Why such a difference? I thought the proceedures were simmilar with the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in PRK. I must not be understanding all of the differences. In the FAQ, the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than with glasses alone. If this is completly attributable to the intentional slight undercorrection, then it can be compensated for when necessary with glasses (or contacts, if they CAN be worn afterall!). It is important to know if that is not the case, however, and some other consequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision. The first thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense, which glasses couldn't help. would not help. -- | Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | I'm just a lowly phlebe. | | dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu | | | Biochemistry, Biotechnology | I'm at the phlebottom | | California Polytechnic State U | of the medical totem pole. | " 1776,17,"From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com (C. Akgun) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.cc.bellcore.com Organization: BCR, NJ-USA Lines: 126 In article msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis Syrimis) writes: [...} >>any concentration/labor camp in Turkey (around 1974 or >>later) for Cypriot Greeks (or any Greeks) rather than talking >>nonsense like above, I will be glad to read what they got. > >How can you be in a position to know about any kind of concentration camps >Akgun? Living through those days at the age of 20 and following the internal and external news gives me that knowledge and position. In 1974, Turkey had a democratic goverment and free press at that time. Forget about internal news agencies, I haven't heard anything from any international source about any concentration camps with Greek Cypriot prisoners in Turkey. However, I heard Adana POW camp. It was not secret and well recognized POW camp. > >As for all the registered prisoners to the Red Cross having returned to >their homes, this is your version of the story. There are cases in which >prisoners who were registered, some of them even sent messages to their >relatives, were not released. These are undeniable facts. I see, They vanished in Turkish labor camps. Turks have decided to acknowledge their existence first but later changed their minds releasing them. Is that it? What do you think happened to them? I thought that MIA's are only the subject of Rambo and Chuck Noris movies. Seems that I am wrong. > >As for their treatment being according to what convention...? >Okay we believe you. You don't need to belive me. Turkiye was never a clandestine state in its history, It has been a respected and continuous member of UN since the inception of UN. No body ever questioned the UN membership of Turkey because of what had happened in 1974a and after. Only a short lived arms embargo was imposed unilaterally by USA to satisfy the internal Greek loby. I know what you would say next. Let me answer it before wasting anytime. Yes! UN had a few condemning resolutions against Turkey because of handling the Cyprus problem, especially after the 1980 coup. Well, US and Israel had a few too. What can I say? I am sure during Athens Junta duruing 1960-74, Greeks had their own share too. >>closed matter today between Turkish Cypriots/Turks/Greeks/Greek >>Cypriots. There is no more any official demand from Greek >>Cypriots about any missing Greek Cypriots. > >Where have you heard that there is no official demand regarding the >missing persons? Have you looked at the latest UN agenda for Cyprus talks mediated by Gali? There was no issue whatsoever about any missing people among the negotiating parties. was there? I heard many times from Denktas interviews by Turkish and International press. He keeps saying that ""This was no longer an issue for peace talks."" Also, you don't want me fish for the Greek Cypriot politician's words (that Argic had posted zillion times) describing missing peoples as a Greek-Cypriot myth. Seems that there is a different opinions among Greek-Cypriots as well about missing people in Turkish custody. [..] >Your claim that the majority of the missing persons were infact killed >in the period between the coup d'eta and the invasion, 5 days, is simply >not true. All the cases of missing persons I know, and I know quite a >few, are cases of people who were either in the reserve forces and were lost >somewhere in the battlefield, or were civilians who were taken prisoners >in their villages by the turkish army. I am not claiming anything. I just told you what was given to Greek Cypriots as an answer by Turkish Goverment/Turkish Cypriots when they wanted to locate some of their own between July 15 and the final cease-fire in late August, 1974. This answer seems to satisfy the international community, the UN, and the Vasilu Goverment (since he did not make it an issue for the peace talks). Also, I am not aware of any UN condemnation against Turkey about any missing Greek-Cypriot. Are you? BTW, do you mean that Nicos Sampson had a bloodless coup d'eta and nobody got hurt in those events? > >As of the few photos which you refer to, there are more than a few. There are >photos not only of greek cypriot soldiers being ""rounded up"", but also others >in the prison camp in Turkey. Like I said before. There is even a different opinion among Greek-Cypriots for this myth. The officers in Turkish Army who governed the Adana POW camp must be hell of clever dudes to cover up their tracks 8-). I hope Turkish Army does't have same type of morons for the security of Turkiye. However, this must a good subject for a movie script. One should inform Oliver Stone about this. > >> Of course, not. The justice was served well. If and when the Bosnian >>pleas are answered, who's going to dare to ask what happens to those >>masterminds behind the ethnic cleansing idea. They are known today >>(as EOKA-B masterminds were known in 1974) to everybody and are doing >>it openly even giving TV interviews. It may take same time as it was >>for the EOKA-B case, however, the justice will be served again. > >Akgun, comparing the actions of the Serbians in Bosnian with the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >actions of ^^^^^^^^^^^ >Turkey in Cyprus is not something I would do if I were a Turk. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I thought >that the Serbians were the savages, the inhumane beasts etc etc. > >>C. Akgun > >Michalis Syrimis > If this is what you understood from the paragraph above, you better let your computer system administrator check the character conversion tables in your system. If yours are OK, I should inform mine 8-). C. Akgun " 1777,9,"From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: blue.7977 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 65 mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >In article <7862@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: > >Well, perhaps if the Braves had no one else worth playing this year it >would be Lopez in there. But they do have others worth playing, at >least in *their* opinion. Catcher is their weakest position, with the possible exception of second base. They have a chance to simultaneously replace their biggest offensive problem spot with a well-above-average offensive player *and* acclimate a highly promising potential star with no pressure on him to carry the team, and they want to play *Olson* and *Berryhill* instead?! >>I disagree, in that I don't think it *is* a _tangible_ skill, any more than >>leadership is. I don't deny that it is a *real* skill, and that some catchers >>may be much better than others at it, but I really don't see any way that we >>could ever know who they are. Nichols's Law of Catcher Defense is eerily >>accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very >>seriously. > >Sorry. New. Don't know Nichols' Law. ""A catcher's defensive reputation will be inversely proportional to his recent offensive level of performance."" Thus, Mickey Tettleton goes (in the media) from being a no-hit defensive whiz to a slugging thumb-finger in two short years. The rule doesn't apply to perceived ""superstars"", who get the Gold Glove Offensive Transfer effect instead. Greg Olson is probably considered to be a good defensive catcher precisely because he can't hit. >Don't believe in catchers' >era. But I am interested in pitchers' eras with different catchers. Aren't they the same thing? >In other words, we know more than they do, so the only logic behind >a different decision than we would make must be financial. Either that or just stupidity. >I presume >we feel this way about other franchises than Atlanta, no? Of course. >>Is it fair to the young players? No. Does it make organizational sense? >>I think it does. > >Well if it does make organizational sense, one can hardly fault them >for their decisions. I mean, please don't tell me how to run my >business. Especially when I'm being successful. One could make the same sort of argument in other cases. Pete Rose, in pursuing Ty Cobb's record, was a huge gate attraction (and national media magnet). The Reds made a lot of money off that; they also wasted the prime of Eric Davis. That may be ""good business"", but that doesn't mean I don't loathe them for it. -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands " 1778,13,"Subject: EXPERTS on PENICILLIN...LOOK! From: ndacumo@eis.calstate.edu (Noah Dacumos) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 8 My name is Noah Dacumos and I am a student at San Leandro High. I am doing a project for my physics class and I would like some info on the discovery of penicillin, its discoverer(Sir Alexander Fleming), and how it helps people with many incurable bacterias. Also how it effects those who are allergic to it. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Noah Dacumos " 1779,13,"From: vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Panic Disorder - more success stories Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 32 I posted this to sci.psychology on April 3, and after seeing your post here on panice disorder thought it would be relevant. ----- My research indicates that two schools of thought exist. the literature promoting medication says it's the superior treatment. Not surprisingly, literature promoting cognitive therapy also claims to be superior. What are the facts? Early in my research I didn't have a bias towards either medication or cognitive therapy. I was interested in a treatment that worked. After reading journals published after 1986, the cognitive therapy camp claims a higher success rate (approx 80%), a lower drop-out rate, and no side effects associated with medication. Lars-Goran Ost published an excellent article titled ""Applied Relaxation: Description of a coping technique and a review of controlled studies."" This is from Behav. Res. Ther., vol. 25, no. 5, pp. 397-409, 1987. The article provides instructions on how to perform applied relaxation (AR). Briefly, you start with two 15 minute sessions daily, and progress in 8-12 weeks to performing 10-15 thirty second sessions daily. I'll snail mail this article to anyone interested (USA only please; International please pay for postage). Mark vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu " 1780,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 108 Thomas Parsli writes: >I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy.... That's OK -- you can mail me if you want more discussion. >Acquiring weapons in Norway: >You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a >permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... Around here, long-guns are proof of age and fill out the forms. For pistols, nation-wide check for felonies and three days wait. The ""good reason"" is the difference, and one Americans tend to get annoyed over as we see no reason the guy with the badge is any better than us. >It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? >You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... Not when dealing with America. I can drive an 18-wheel truck with no permit, no license, and at age 12 if I'm engaged in farming work. Strange, that, but there is little to no problem with this. Again, personal rights versus collective security. >Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' >for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. >Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short >time befor the crime. Strange that the rates would decline, since killing somebody is much more frowned upon than merely stealing a gun. >Use of knives: >It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. >You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open >in public -rigth ?? Why attract attention? I carry my sword openly to and from practice, as that is the only legal thing I can do. I also attract a lot of attention doing this. I'd rather be lost ""in a crowd of one"" than be the subject of attention while carrying a weapon. Think of the word ""intimidation"" and you can see where intimidation is not the preferable method for the normal citizen. >Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive': >We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide >to take action we DO. >Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe.... >(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....) Aggressive towards whom? Southerners? Germans? Precisely why I think your society is less violent, weapons aside. >Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some >extent.... >Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? >What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of >all the [masses?? -- editor barf -- Dan] Then the masses have the same rights as the individuals, because everything comes down to the individual in one instance or another. To draw an analogy, Norway is involved in the EEC. The USA in involved in NATO. The EEC requires certain changes in your laws. NATO requires no such changes in USA law. These laws affect citizens, and hence Norway is saying Europe is more important than, say, Norwegians having motorcycles that make over 100bhp. In the USA, we'd likely tell the EEC to get stuffed since the EEC has no business, in our eyes, in telling us how much horsepower we can safely ride. While I note that our own state governments often play with game with the federal government, in essence this is a cultural difference between us. >IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. >But should it have to be like that ?? It shouldn't. Since neither of our countries has managed to remove criminals from society, in America we feel (and remember we have individual states that are larger than your country) that if the police cannot protect us then we must do so ourselves. The criminals in our country are quite violent, hence we prepare for them. >Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? >If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think >it should be free to buy guns ?? We don't. E-mail me to find out just how difficult it really is in this country. It is easier than in yours, but theft is far easier than the troubles we go through to purchase over here. >I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as >neccities or toys. They are neither. They are an option. We would never force you to own guns if you lived here. We would, however, fight to keep that option open to you. >I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't >want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'.... Then you show you are a responsible, rational user of weapons. Welcome to our ranks. Now, how do we teach the young people this sort of responsibility? Cultures seem to have a grave impact here. I notice you didn't use my great-grandfather's name. Well, he didn't like it much either ;-) < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 1781,1,"From: csc3phx@vaxa.hofstra.edu Subject: Color problem. Lines: 8 I am scanning in a color image and it looks fine on the screen. When I converted it into PCX,BMP,GIF files so as to get it into MS Windows the colors got much lighter. For example the yellows became white. Any ideas? thanks Dan csc3phx@vaxc.hofstra.edu " 1782,8,"From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes) Subject: Re: RGV and posing!! Nntp-Posting-Host: 133.206.251.21 Reply-To: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand Lines: 18 In article 25444@dsd.es.com, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: >In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: >>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes: > >>>[Squid deleted] > >> 5. Helment laws vary from state to state. In my state (Louisiana) it is >>the law. I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no >>law. A helment will save your life. > >I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. I'll see your 3 and raise you 4. Doug Rinckes drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp New Zealand TSSC Ltd 1976 BMW R100S 1960 BMW R60 1940 Indian 741A " 1783,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 4. Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 87 Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the _Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television station, KTVB Channel 7. Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 4. Friday, April 16, 1993 was the fourth day of the trial. Synopsis: Defense attorney Gerry Spence cross-examined agent Cooper under repeated objections from prosecutor Ronald Howen. Spence moved for a mistrial but was denied. The day was marked by a caustic cross-examination of Deputy Marshal Larry Cooper by defense attorney Gerry Spence. Although Spence has not explicitly stated so, one angle of his stategy must involve destroying the credibility of agent Cooper. Cooper is the government's only eyewitness to the death of agent Degan. Spence attacked Cooper's credibility by pointing out discrepancies between Cooper's statements last September and those made in court. Cooper conceded that, ""You have all these things compressed into a few seconds...It's difficult to remember what went on first."" Cooper acknowledged that he carried a ""9mm Colt Commando submachine gun with a silenced barrel."" [I thought a Colt Commando was a revolver!] Cooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific plans to use the weapon when they started to kill Weaver's dog. When Spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by Degan's M-16 rifle when Degan was apparently dead, Cooper could not say for sure that Degan did not return fire before going down. Spence continued by asking with how many agents (and to what extent) had Cooper discussed last August's events, Cooper responded, ""If you're implying that we got our story together, you're wrong, counselor."" Spence continued to advance the defense's version of the events: Namely, that a marshal had started the shooting by killing the Weaver's dog. Cooper disagreed. Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Howen repeatedly objected to Spence's virulent cross-examination of agent Cooper, arguing that the questions were repetitive and Spence was wasting time. Howen also complained that Spence was improperly using a cross-examination to advance the defense's version of the events. U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge sustained many of the objections; however, both lawyers persisted until Judge Lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to admonish both attorneys. ""I'm not going to play games with either counsel. This has been a personality problem from day 1, so start acting like professionals."" Spence told the judge that, ""When all the evidence is in, we'll see that ... his [agent Larry Cooper] testimony is not credible, that he was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events."" Spence continued, ""We're going to find...that there is a very unlikely similarity - almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter - between the testimony of Mr. Cooper and the other witnesses."" Spence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that Howen's repeated objections would prevent a fair trial, ""We can't have a fair trial if the jury believes I'm some sort of charlatan, if the jury believes I'm bending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that I'm violating court orders."" Judge Lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of Howen's objections had somehow prejudiced the jury was ""preposterous"" and denied the motion for a mistrial. Lodge did tell Howen to restrict his comments when objecting. The trial resumed with the prosecution calling FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton. The prosecution's purpose was simply to introduce five weapons found in the cabin as evidence: However, the defense seized on the opportunity to further address Cooper's credibility. Defense attorney Ellison Matthews (Harris' other attorney) questioned Rampton about the dog. Rampton stated that there were no specific plans to kill the Weaver's dog without being detected. Matthews then had Rampton read a Septtember 15, 1992 transcript in which Rampton had said that Cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon was to kill the dog without being detected, if the dog chased them. Rampton then acknowledged that he believed that Cooper had said that, but he could not remember when. He then stated that, ""I did not conduct the primary interview with Deputy Cooper, but I have had conversations with him since the interview was conducted."" Monday, April 19, 1993 will begin the fifth day of the trial. Scheduled is the continued cross-examination of FBI agent Greg Rampton. " 1784,14,"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 16 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > Another legend with the name Vulcan was the planet, much like Earth, > in the same orbit There was a Science fiction movie sometime ago (I do not remember its name) about a planet in the same orbit of Earth but hidden behind the Sun so it could never be visible from Earth. Turns out that that planet was the exact mirror image of Earth and all its inhabitants looked like the Earthings with the difference that their organs was in the opposite side like the heart was in the right side instead in the left and they would shake hands with the left hand and so on... C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon " 1785,2,"From: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) Subject: Re: Questions about Windows NT. Help! Nntp-Posting-Host: shelduck Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit Keywords: Windows NT, unix, sun sparc Lines: 36 In article shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes: > >I don't know much about Windows NT, but I've always thought >that Win NT would run only on Intel 386/486 compatable systems. >We are setting up a network which includes a SUN Sparc Server 4/490 >and about a dozen PC's. Some people suggest that we run Windows NT >on the SUN Sparc Server 4/490 replacing the current OS (SunOS). >I don't know whether this is possible and whether this would do us any >good. I would appreciate any help on answering a few questions below. > >1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490? >2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications > (such as SAS for unix). >3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS? >4. When will Windows NT be released? >5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more > info on Win NT? > >Thank you. > >Minghua Shan As far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000 series of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support sometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running ""unix applications"". You would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read that MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope this helps. Rajiev Gupta -- Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views, Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies. Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium " 1786,1,"From: mbh2@engr.engr.uark.edu (M. Barton Hodges) Subject: Stereoscopic imaging Summary: Stereoscopic imaging Keywords: stereoscopic Nntp-Posting-Host: engr.engr.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Lines: 8 I am interested in any information on stereoscopic imaging on a sun workstation. For the most part, I need to know if there is any hardware available to interface the system and whether the refresh rates are sufficient to produce quality image representations. Any information about the subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! " 1787,7,"From: jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership Organization: Hell Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: > >In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I >agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged >do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying >a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what? A ""fuel injector cleaning"" at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the cleaner yourself for $1.29. Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so. Be suspicious. jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com " 1788,7,"From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) Subject: Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) writes: >shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes: >>I thought that the V-10 was originally designed for a truck (not necessarily >>a pickup!) and then just sort of dropped into the Viper's frame because >>it fit and was available. A friend of mine and I saw (and heard) a Viper, >>and my friend's first response was that it sounded like a truck! It sounded >>fine to me, but then again, I don't like the whiny noise that most modern >>sports car engines make. BTW, the Viper we saw was moving at about 10mph, >>just like all of the other cars on the 10 freeway heading east out of LA >>on a Friday afternoon. Looked really nice, though. > Actually, I was under the impression that the V-10 in the Viper was >NOT the V-10 that Dodge was developing for its new Kenworths. I have always >thought it was the exhaust system and not the engine that produced the noise >of a car...? Well, yes, the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out, but the basics (tone, firing cadence, etc.) are determined by the engine configuration. In the case of the Viper, yes, we are discussing a HUGE multicylinder 90-deg. engine, which will sound somewhat like a truck. And my understanding, btw, is that that V-10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad- aptible for either the trucks or the Viper. And from what I've heard (no first hand knowledge :-( ) it's doing a pretty good job at both. And the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60-degree DOHC Colombo-designed V-12. Period. Michael T. Chaffee mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail .sig under construction. <----Excuse " 1789,9,"From: joec@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com ( Joe Cipale) Subject: Re: RED SOX LEAD 8-0 AFTER 2!!!!!! Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR Lines: 46 In article stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly) writes: >The Boston Red Sox lead the KC Royals 8-0 after 2 innings. > >The Sox are the only undefeated team in the AL East after 4 days. > >GO JUMP IN THE LAKE YOU NON-BELIEVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Steve > As I have read this net the last few days, I am continually amazed at the pronouncements of baseball prowess by many individuals. Especially when it comes down to saying that the Bosox haven't a prayer. As a long time Red Sox fan, I will simply say: The Impossible Dream Year - 1967 for those of you with short memories. short lives, or both. To be a Red Sox fan is to continually be the subject of abuse and criticism from those who only follow 'the hot team'. This statement is supported based on the increased number of 'Brave Woofers' out on the net. A true fan of a team, any team, will follow that team through the good years as well as the lean years, and be amply rewarded when the time is right. Yeah, so what if Buckner let a roller go through his legs in `86. Who cares if Clemens told Cooley to go piss up a rope and promptly earned a quick shower. The fact is, they were one of the best teams in the league those years and the fans supported them. Now that it appears that they are on lean times, the number of detracters come from all over. So what! Let them play and we will see what happens come September. The Red Sox may not be that good, but they are certainly not that bad, either and they do have a chance to win the World Series, after all, remember the `69 Mets? Who would have given them a chance to even make it that far, let alone beat Baltimore. Let's face it, Baseball is a wonderful game and is far more unpredictable than Football and Basketball. Because of this, one can never say with absolute certainity what the outcome will be over the course of 162 games. =============================================================================== | joec@godot.cyprs.rain.com |WARNING: Elvis impersonating can be hazardous| | joec@ursula.ee.pdx.edu | to your health -- it sure won't help| | | your reputation. | +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+ | I bike, therefore I am! | Go Red Sox! Go Celtics! | | | Go Seahawks! Go Sonics! | =============================================================================== " 1790,18,"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Sick and tired (was Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter) Article-I.D.: shelley.1pqiubINNmht Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr4.054843.22307@mks.com> richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) writes: >Why can't you just cite us a case in which Joe Schmoe, a regular >employee earning regular wages from a regular company, refuses to pay >his income tax, gets hauled into court, is convicted of wilful tax eva- >sion, and then has his conviction overturned by the US Supreme Court >with a landmark 7-2 majority ruling that income tax is indeed totally >voluntary? What, you say? No such case exists? Hmmm, I wonder why >not; why haven't you? Unless I've got my notes mixed up, 939 F.2d 499 comes close to this. Regular guy. Blue-collar worker at a regular company. Hauled into court. Convicted. Appeals to 7th circuit. Makes all the right arguments (his brief is cited by Mr. Teel as an example of a ""winning"" brief). Shot down, 3-zip by the 7th circuit. Appeals to the Supreme Court. And... ...Certiorari denied. Defendant goes to jail. Oh well. --Tim Smith " 1791,6,"From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal) Subject: Nth Engine Graphics Cards Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida Lines: 12 I have the following Nth Engine graphics cards for sale w/drivers for AutoCAD R11. Display list proccessing is done through hardware. B640 - 640x480 B752 - 752x580 I will take the highest reanable offer. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charles Paschal - Total Support Computer Systems - Tampa - (813) 876-5990 UUCP: paschal@tscs FAX: (813) 871-2783 US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida 33684-5395 " 1792,5,"From: stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) Subject: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How? Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam Lines: 75 Nntp-Posting-Host: carol.fwi.uva.nl Greetings, I am using an X server that provides 3 visuals: PseudoColor 8 bit, Truecolor 24 bit and DirectColor 24 bit. A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is different from the visual of the parent (which uses the default visual which is TC24). In the Xlib reference guide from 'O reilly one can read in the section about XCteateWindow, something like: ""In the current implementation of X11: When using a visual other than the parent's, be sure to create or find a suitable colourmap which is to be used in the window attributes when creating, or else a BadMatch occurs."" This warning, strangely enough, is only mentioned in the newer editions of the X11R5 guides. However, even if I pass along a suitable colourmap, I still get a BadMatch when I create a window with a non-default visual. The code looks like this: ------------------ cut here and you'll destroy your CRT ---------------- Window create_8bit_window_on_truecolour_display(dpy,width,height) Display *dpy; int width, height; { Window win; XVisualInfo vinfo; XSetWindowAttributes attr; fprintf(stderr,""Opening 8 bit window...\n""); if (!XMatchVisualInfo(dpy,DefaultScreen(dpy),8,PseudoColor,&vinfo)) { fprintf(stderr,""Your display can't handle 8 bit PseudoColor.\n""); exit(1); } fprintf(stderr,""Using visual: %x\n"",vinfo.visual->visualid); cmap = XCreateColormap( dpy, DefaultRootWindow(dpy), vinfo.visual, AllocNone ); XSync(dpy,False); XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); /* ommision of this line gives same result */ attr.colormap = cmap; win = XCreateWindow( dpy, DefaultRootWindow(dpy), 10,10, width,height, CopyFromParent, /* border width */ 8, /* depth */ InputOutput, /* class */ vinfo.visual, /* visual */ CWColormap, &attr ); return win; } --- cut here and you'll destroy your CRT ----- Executing this piece of code results in a BadMatch error. Anybody who knows why? If so, please drop me a line. Take care, Bram Stolk stolk@fwi.uva.nl " 1793,14,"From: kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu In article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes: >+ >Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance >which expanded in vacuum. Called ""gas"". >Once inflated the substance was no longer >needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. >This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no >disastrous deflation. The balloons were in sufficiently low orbit that they experienced some air resistance. When they were finally punctured, this preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards that remained were easily visible for some time before reentry, though no longer useful as a passive transponder. The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon. " 1794,14,"From: adam@sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam) Subject: Re: space food sticks Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: paix.sw.stratus.com Keywords: food In article <1pr5u2$t0b@agate.berkeley.edu>, ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes: > The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was > most certainly more ""candy"" than say a modern ""Power Bar."" Sort of > a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough > approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. > Peanut butter was definitely my favorite. I don't think I ever took a second bite of the strawberry. I recently joined Nutri-System and their ""Chewy Fudge Bar"" is very reminicent of the chocolate Space Food. This is the only thing I can find that even comes close the taste. It takes you back... your taste-buds are happy and your intestines are in knots... joy! -- mark ---------------------------- (adam@paix.sw.stratus.com) | My opinions are not those of Stratus. | Hell! I don`t even agree with myself! ""Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad."" " 1795,2,"From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das) Subject: Wanted sample source for editing controls Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com Hi Everyone, I would like to get an example program(source code) to get started with a simple editor (similar to windows dialog editor, but lot simplified) . Can someone point me to a source such as a programming windows book, or example program comes with Windows SDK (from Microsoft or Borland). I would greatly appreciate it. All I want to do is to be able to place a edit control or combobox or a listbox on a window and be able to drag and resize. If anyone has written similar program and don't mind sharing code or ideas, I would appreciate it very much. Thnx in advance, Manu Das Please send me directly at manu@oas.olivetti.com " 1796,15,"From: mwhaefne@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Lines: 27 In article trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > >I don't have a problem with being condemned to Hell either. The > way I see it, if God wants to punish me for being honest in > my skepticism (that is, for saying he doesn't exist), He > certainly wouldn't be changing His nature. Besides, I would > rather spend an eternity in Hell than be beside God in Heaven > knowing even one man would spend his ""eternal life"" being > scorched for his wrongdoings... > I see some irony here. Jesus was willing to go through torture to free you from the definite promise of hell (based on Adam/Eve's fall from grace) but rather than allow him to stand in your place, you would give up your redemption to stand with those who do not accept his grace. God would rather have none in hell, which seems to put the burden of choice on us. Of course, this is all fictional anyway since you reject him also. My former sociology professor once told us at the beginning of our term, ""you all start out with an A...what you do with that during the course of this term is up to you"". In the beginning...Adam and Eve were given an A. Mark Haefner " 1797,1,"From: mogal@deadhead.asd.sgi.com (Joshua Mogal) Subject: Re: Hollywood Hits, Virtual Reality Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 137 NNTP-Posting-Host: deadhead.asd.sgi.com Sorry I missed you Raymond, I was just out in Dahlgren last month... I'm the Virtual Reality market manager for Silicon Graphics, so perhaps I can help a little. In article <1993Mar17.185725.13487@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes: |> Hello, the real reality. Our agency started to express interest in |> virtual reality(VR). So far, we do not know much about VR. All we |> know about are the Hollywood movies ""The Terminater 2"" and ""Lawnmover |> Man"". We also know something about VR from ABC news magazine and |> Computer Graphics World magazine. Unfortunately, while SGI systems were used to create the special effects for both Terminator 2 and Lawnmower Man, those are film-quality computer graphics, rendered in software and written to film a frame at a time. Each frame of computer animation for those films took hours to render on high-end parallel processing computer systems. Thus, that level of graphics would be difficult, if not impossible, to acheive in real time (30 frames per second). |> |> We certainly want to know more about VR. Who are the leading |> companies, |> agencies, universities? What machines support VR (i.e. SGI, Sun4, |> HP-9000, BIM-6000, etc.)? It depends upon how serious you are and how advanced your application is. True immersive visualization (VR), requires the rendering of complex visual databases at anywhere from 20 to 60 newly rendered frames per second. This is a similar requirement to that of traditional flight simulators for pilot training. If the frame rate is too low, the user notices the stepping of the frames as they move their head rapidly around the scene, so the motion of the graphics is not smooth and contiguous. Thus the graphics system must be powerful enough to sustain high frame rates while rendering complex data representations. Additionally, the frame rate must be constant. If the system renders 15 frames per second at one point, then 60 frames per second the next (perhaps due to the scene in the new viewing direction being simpler than what was visible before), the user can get heavily distracted by the medium (the graphics computer) rather than focusing on the data. To maintain a constant frame rate, the system must be able to run in real-time. UNIX in general does not support real-time operation, but Silicon Graphics has modified the UNIX kernel for its multi-processor systems to be able to support real-time operation, bypassing the usual UNIX process priority-management schemes. Uniprocessor systems running UNIX cannot fundamentally support real-time operation (not Sun SPARC10, not HP 700 Series systems, not IBM RS-6000, not even SGI's uniprocessor systems like Indigo or Crimson). Only our multiprocessor Onyx and Challenge systems support real-time operation due to their Symmetric Multi-Processing (SMP) shared-memory architecture. From a graphics perspective, rendering complex virtual environments requires advanced rendering techniques like texture mapping and real-time multi-sample anti-aliasing. Of all of the general purpose graphics systems on the market today, only Crimson RealityEngine and Onyx RealityEngine2 systems fully support these capabilities. The anti-aliasing is particularly important, as the crawling jagged edges of aliased polygons is an unfortunate distraction when immersed in a virtual environment. |> What kind of graphics languages are used with VR |> (GL, opengl, Phigs, PEX, GKS, etc.)? You can use the general purpose graphics libraries listed above to develop VR applications, but that is starting at a pretty low level. There are off-the- shelf software packages available to get you going much faster, being targeted directly at the VR application developer. Some of the most popular are (in no particular order): - Division Inc. (Redwood City, CA) - dVS - Sens8 Inc. (Sausalito, CA) - WorldToolKit - Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, CA) - NPSnet (FREE!) - Gemini Technology Corp (Irvine, CA) - GVS Simation Series - Paradigm Simulation Inc. (Dallas, TX) - VisionWorks, AudioWorks - Silicon Graphics Inc. (Mountain View,CA) - IRIS Performer There are some others, but not off the top of my head... |> What companies are making |> interface devices for VR (goggles or BOOM (Binocular Omni-Orientational |> Monitor), hamlets, gloves, arms, etc.)? There are too many to list here, but here is a smattering: - Fake Space Labs (Menlo Park,CA) - BOOM - Virtual Technologies Inc. (Stanford, CA) - CyberGlove - Digital Image Design (New York, NY) - The Cricket (3D input) - Kaiser Electro Optics (Carlsbad, CA) - Sim Eye Helmet Displays - Virtual Research (Sunnyvale, CA) - Flight Helmet display - Virtual Reality Inc. (Pleasantville,NY) - Head Mtd Displays, s/w - Software Systems (San Jose, CA) - 3D Modeling software - etc., etc., etc. |> What are those company's |> addresses and phone numbers? Where we can get a list name of VR |> experts |> and their phone numbers and Email addresses? Read some of the VR books on the market: - Virtual Reality - Ken Pimental and Ken Texiera (sp?) - Virtual Mirage - Artificial Reality - Myron Kreuger - etc. Or check out the newsgroup sci.virtual_worlds Feel free to contact me for more info. Regards, Josh -- ************************************************************************** ** ** ** ** Joshua Mogal ** Product Manager ** ** Advanced Graphics Division ** Advanced Graphics Systems ** ** Silicon Graphics Inc. ** Market Manager ** ** 2011 North Shoreline Blvd. ** Virtual Reality ** ** Mountain View, CA 94039-7311 ** Interactive Entertainment ** ** M/S 9L-580 ** ** ** ************************************* ** Tel: (415) 390-1460 ** ** Fax: (415) 964-8671 ** ** E-mail: mogal@sgi.com ** ** ** ************************************************************************** " 1798,13,"From: Alla V. Kotenko Subject: SALE! MELITTIN (see letter) Reply-To: avk@lst.msk.su Organization: Laboratory Systems & Technology, Ltd. Lines: 17 MELITTIN In cooperation with the State Scientific Center on Antibiotics we have elaborated our own technology of bee venom components isolation, particularly melitin, using modern chromatographic eduipment by ""Pharmacia"" and ""Millipore"" Companies, with application of only the materials, admitted for manufacturing pharmaceutic production. High quality of our product is acknowledged by the expertise of the Accredited test laboratory firm ""Test"" v/o ""Souzexpertisa"" TPP RF. íÅlittin - no less than 92% of the primary substance content. Quantity:from 100 g up to 5 kg. Date of manufacture: March 1993. Price:2500 dol.USA per 1g. Certificate:Is on sale Adress:105094,Moscow,Semyenovskiy Val,10-a, ""BOST""Partnership Ltd.Tel/fax 194-86-04,369-46-68 " 1799,11,"From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) Subject: DOS 6.0 compression API: partial answer Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] For those of you looking for information on MS-DOS 6.0's file system compression API: Today I called Microsoft's DOS 6.0 hotline at (800)228-7007. They told me that the DOS 6.0 Resource Kit had the specifications for the compression interface. The Resource Kit costs $19.95, plus tax and $5 shipping. I ordered a copy and will post further when I get it and know more about it. I am posting now because the order turnaround is 15 working days. If anyone knows for sure where's there's a good source of info on this API, please speak up. I am slightly skeptical about the Resource Kit's likelihood of having detailed programming info. Mark R. mrr@ripem.msu.edu (posted also to sci.crypt, since the API could presumably also be used for file system encryption.) " 1800,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 36 In article keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) writes: >Ah, there's the rub. And a catch-22 to boot. For the purposes of a >contest, you'll probably not compete if'n you can't afford the ride to get >there. And although lower priced delivery systems might be doable, without >demand its doubtful that anyone will develop a new system... You're assuming that the low-cost delivery system has to be a separate project. But why? If you are spending hundreds of millions of dollars in hopes of winning a billion-dollar prize, it is *cheaper* to develop your own launch system, charging its entire development cost against your contest entry, than to try to do it with existing launchers. No other demand is necessary. >> Any plan for doing >> sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting >> money in a big way. > >This depends on the how soon the new launch system comes on line. In other >words, perhaps a great deal of worthwhile technology (life support, >navigation, etc.) could be developed prior to a low cost launch system. >You wouldn't want to use the expensive stuff forever, but I'd hate to see >folks waiting to do anything until a low cost Mac, oops, I mean launch >system comes on line. You're assuming that it's going to take a decade to build a new launch system. But why? The Saturn V took less than six years, depending on exactly when you date its start. Pegasus took about three from project start to first flight. Before SDIO chickened out on orbital development, the target date for an orbital DC-Y flight was 1996. If you really want speed, consider that the first prototypes of the Thor missile (still in service as the core of the Delta launcher) shipped to the USAF less than 18 months after the development go-ahead. One of the most pernicious myths in this whole business is the belief that you can't build a launcher without taking ten years and spending billions of dollars. It isn't true and never was. " 1801,14,"From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: LRDPA news X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 28 Many of you at this point have seen a copy of the Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act by now. This bill, also known as the Back to the Moon bill, would authorize the U.S. government to purchase lunar science data from private and non-profit vendors, selected on the basis of competitive bidding, with an aggregate cap on bid awards of $65 million. If you have a copy of the bill, and can't or don't want to go through all of the legalese contained in all Federal legislation,don't both - you have a free resource to evaluate the bill for you. Your local congressional office, listed in the phone book,is staffed by people who can forward a copy of the bill to legal experts. Simply ask them to do so, and to consider supporting the Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act. If you do get feedback, negative or positive, from your congressional office, please forward it to: David Anderman 3136 E. Yorba Linda Blvd., Apt G-14, Fullerton, CA 92631, or via E-Mail to: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org. Another resource is your local chapter of the National Space Society. Members of the chapter will be happy to work with you to evaluate and support the Back to the Moon bill. For the address and telephone number of the nearest chapter to you, please send E-mail, or check the latest issue of Ad Astra, in a library near you. Finally, if you have requested, and not received, information about the Back to the Moon bill, please re-send your request. The database for the bill was recently corrupted, and some information was lost. The authors of the bill thank you for your patience. --- Maximus 2.01wb " 1802,1,"From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Nntp-Posting-Host: bonnie.ics.uci.edu Reply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept. Lines: 27 Robert G. Carpenter writes: >Hi Netters, > >I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > >Can you please offer some recommendations? > >I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. > >Thanks > >(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) > >Bob Carpenter > I too would like a 3D graphics library! How much do C libraries cost anyway? Can you get the tools used by, say, RenderMan, and can you get them at a reasonable cost? Sorry that I don't have any answers, just questions... Matt Madsen mmadsen@ics.uci.edu " 1803,17,"From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. Lines: 8 Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500342:cdp:1483500347:000:151 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 17 15:37:00 1993 Before getting excited and implying that I am posting fabrications, I would suggest the readers to consult the newspaper in question. Tahnks, Elias " 1804,18,"From: schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu (Erich Schwarz) Subject: Re: 19th Century Capitalism Organization: CalTech, Div. of Biology Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: anise.bio.caltech.edu In article <31MAR199317363332@jane.uh.edu>, mece3d@jane.uh.edu (Chris Struble) wrote: Christian Struble writes: > Some people are not very good at getting the best deal for their > effort, and others are unwilling to put forth much effort, even in > the face of economic incentives. There will always be some people > who are stupid or lazy, relative to the ability or effort of most > others. The question is what do you do with them? There are three > options: > [...] > 2) Kill those who are not productive as a drain upon ""society"". > This is the communist (""All who do not toil shall not eat"" - > Lenin) or fascist approach. > [...] You're being too generous to the communists, I think. In practice, communism has ""solved"" the problem by killing off anybody who is _too_ productive, and who therefore raises embarrassing questions about why the rest of the group is a bunch of sluggards. The mass butchery of ""kulaks"" in the USSR is a good instance of this. A poor second best is to have a neighboring capitalist country to which people of politically incorrect skill and ambition flee. I often wonder just what Castro would have done if the Cubans presently in Miami would have been forced to remain in Cuba. Would they have revolted and killed him off, or been killed? Best of all is to build a wall locking the citizens of your country in, load it up so heavily with attack dogs, barbed wire, and land mines that most people fleeing over it die, and then give everyone the choice of obedience, prison, or flight. This would be a bad science-fiction novel, if the East Germans hadn't actually done it. The last person to die crossing the wall, as I recall, was an unarmed woman who was shot in the back. Erich Honecker was going to go on trial for that, but he fled to socialists in Chile. It's good to be kind to one's intellectual opponents, but sometimes it's a sheer waste of time. --Erich Schwarz / schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu " 1805,6,"From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) Subject: VGA card/1 meg wanted Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 7 it must have 1 meg memory and support res. 1024x768 (even higher will be better)if it has 9 & 15 pin ports and also supports ega/cga , that's better. I will pay $30 + $1 (shipping) for it. let me knoe if u have one like this. ailin 803-654-8817 " 1806,14,"From: ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) Subject: Shuttle Launch Question X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 16 There has been something bothering me while watching NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think) ""Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected errors. ..."". I am wondering what an ""expected error"" might be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but inquiring minds just gotta know............ Yeah, yeah, I know, its those dumb cosmospheres again! ============================================================= Randy Padgett, Supervisor BITNET : ETRAT@TTACS Academic Computing Facilities Internet : ETRAT@TTACS.TTU.EDU Texas Tech University THEnet : TTACS::ETRAT Lubbock, TX 79409-42042 (806) 742-3653 FAX (806) 742-1755 " 1807,1,"From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu Organization: University of Kentucky Lines: 4 Well, the temp file thing creates an obvious problem: it is impossible to use cview for viewing CD-ROM based picture collections. And it is the ONLY non- windows viewer that works properly with my Cirrus-based 24 bit VGA. " 1808,13,"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 15 In article reynold@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (""Susan Reynold (w/out the s)"") writes: :>I think the scientists are biased towards the food industry or something. :>Was the article long? Would anyone be interested in posting it? :a neuroscientist told me that MSG is used as a neurotoxin...that's :right...some labs use it to ""kill"" neurons in mice and rats Vitamin A (and I think vitamin D) in strong enough amounts can kill. The key words are DOSAGE and EXPOSURE MECHANISM. -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now. ""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG " 1809,4,"From: peba@snakemail.hut.fi (Petri Aukia) Subject: DIY - PhoneNET, MIDI adapt & MacRecorder Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-18.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Distribution: comp Lines: 7 I remember seeing complete instructions for making PhoneNET adapters, MIDI adapters and a MacRecorder lookalike. After a short search through Mac.archive and info-mac I failed to see any of the above. Any pointers? -- --petri.aukia@hut.fi-----------""Supreme Court Ruling: Bolo is an Illegal Drug!"" --peba@hut--""Computer Programmer Steals Minds of Youths Through New Tank Game!"" --pa----""Telephone Standards Rethought Because of New Addictive Computer Game!"" " 1810,9,From: js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) Subject: Bonilla Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: usa Lines: 2 Bobby Bonilla supposedly use the word 'faggot' when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse. Should he be banned from baseball for a year like Schott? 1811,4,"From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:09:41 GMT In article Les Ferch, ferch@ucs.ubc.ca writes: > Afterall, Apple's literature is not always 100% correct. A funny one I > noticed recently is that some of the brochures on the Macs with CD > capability refer to the ""auto inkjet"" feature. This should have read ""auto > inject"" feature (as it does on some other correct brochures I've seen from > Apple). Since it was correct on some older brochures, I can only guess > that someone edited the copy, saw ""inject"" and thought it was a typo and > changed it to the more familiar word ""inkjet"". > > Hmmm, what would that be? A printer built into the CD player? A way of > *writing* information to a CD? :-) :-) How do you think they get the cool images on the top serface of CD's anyway? They gotta have something to do the top surface artwork... " 1812,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Keywords: Nuclear Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 25 Just to complete that thought, the cooling towers cool water that circulates through heat exchangers that recondense the turbine exhaust back into feedwater for the heat exchangers that transfer energy from the reactor's cooling circuit. |---------------| |------turbine, etc---| |---------| | > > > > . reactor < < < > . | > > > > C. T. |---------------| |--------------------| |---------- The reactor has a closed loop circuit to prevent radioactive contamination of the the turbine feedwater. The cooling tower is a separate circuit to avoide contamination of the turbine feedwater with atmospheric contamininats, etc. Purifying boiler feedwater is important business at both fossil fired and nuclear generation facilities. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 1813,9,"From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) Subject: Royals Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 14 The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time. When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely doomed. Other than that, I guess they're OK. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randall Rhea Informix Software, Inc. Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall " 1814,4,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: 68040 Specs. Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Lines: 43 patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes ... >I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: >(if you only know one, that's fine) >1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) Specs for the 68040 can fill a 500 page book. Some highlights are... 32-bit address space w/ 32-bit data width. 18 32-bit integer registers & 8 80-bit floating point registers. 8K copyback capable caches, 4-way set associative. Typical 1.2 clocks/integer instruction. 5 clocks for a floating point multiply. (interesting aside: the 68040 can multiply two 80-bit floating point numbers in less time than it can multiply two 32-bit integers) >2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... More of the same but with multiple instruction dispatching. Figure about 0.8 clocks per instruction typical (my guess). But the Motorola guys are pretty bright, it may be less. >I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), >costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. Call Motorola. I'm not typing it all in. >I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. I'm predicting that both the 680x0 and x86 lines are reaching their ends. New experimental processors have 64-bit data pathways and can schedule up to 8 out of 32 instructions each clock cycle. That sort of trick can't really be done with CISC architectures. I finally saw some details on the 586/Pentium and was not greatly impressed. They've finally done some work on the FPU to get it up to speed, but otherwise it's only going to be a 2x speedup. And to get that they're using two integer units, larger caches, and a branch target buffer. Yes, I know they're talking about 100MHz processors. Big whoop. Designing a 100MHz board is difficult and really expensive. Priced 15ns memory chips lately? -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 1815,7,"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr15.193712.25996@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandei s.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.ac s.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: >>I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one >>to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the >>spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used! > >I have just a couple of questions about this technique. > >First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer >finger or my pinky? Left hand or right? Place your hands flat on a table, and arrange the firing order from left to right. >And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted >for. Any suggestions? Well, you have friends don't you??? 12 cylinders might be more excitement than one person can take.... " 1816,6,"From: smh2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Seenu M Hariprasad) Subject: SONY MHC-3600 BOOKSHELF STEREO SYSTEM Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell University Lines: 25 Forsale: SONY MHC-3600 HI-FI Bookshelf stereo system -9 months old -CD player -2 tape decks -Digital graphic equilizer -Tuner -4 speakers 60watts/channel -TOP OF THE LINE SONY BOOKSHELF SYSTEM Includes amazing remote that actually splits into two! Everything can be done from the remote (remote has digital display!). Has the highest quality sound-amazing bass! Not one scratch on system. VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF. Originally purchased for $1299 + tax. I need cash, and I am looking to get around $750 for it. Since I really need the money, I will sell it to the person who gives me the highest offer, and I WILL ACCEPT THE BEST OFFER if not $750. Buyer pays insured shipping. Reply soon if intereseted. Thanks. " 1817,1,"From: ""danny hawrysio"" Subject: radiosity Reply-To: ""danny hawrysio"" Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: comp Lines: 9 -> I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I don't know what kind of machine you want it for, but the program Radiance comes with 'C' source code - I don't have ftp access so I couldn't tell you where to get it via that way. -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 1818,6,"From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld) Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 22 In article ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes: >In article sasjhc@maxwell.unx.sas.com (Joe Croos) writes: > > |> yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes: > |> > |> > MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45 > |> > (opened, unregistered) > |> > |> Gee, my copy of PC Magazine states that the upgrade is retailing for $49.99... > > Egghead, across the street, sells it for $47.49 and I'm going that way > after work :-> > >CompUSA has it for 38.xx, in Boston. I will sell it for $33 including shipping... -- Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light, 940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right, Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown. N5QXR | -Jackson Brown " 1819,0,"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: bozo.dsinc.com I apologize for the long delay in getting a response to this posted. I've been working reduced hours the past couple of weeks because I had a son born (the day after Umar's article was posted, btw). I did respond within a couple of days, but it turns out that a a coincidental news software rearrangement caused postings from this site to silently disappear rather than going out into the world. This is a revision of that original response. In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: >In article <1ps98fINNm2u@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: >>Only a functional illiterate with absolutely no conception of the >>nature of the novel could think such a thing. [this was in response to the claim that ""Rushdie made false statements about the life of Mohammed"", with the disclaimer ""(fiction, I know, but where is the line between fact and fiction?) - I stand by this distinction between fiction and ""false statements""] >>However, it's not for his writing in _The Satanic Verses_, but for >>what people have accepted as a propagandistic version of what is >>contained in that book. I have yet to find *one single muslim* who >>has convinced me that they have read the book. Some have initially >>claimed to have done so, but none has shown more knowledge of the book >>than a superficial Newsweek story might impart, and all have made >>factual misstatements about events in the book. > >You keep saying things like this. Then, you accuse people like me of >making ad hominem arguments. I repeat, as I have said in previous >postings on AA: I *have* read TSV from cover to cover I had not seen that claim, or I might have been less sweeping. You have made what I consider factual misstatements about events in the book, which I have raised in the past, in the ""ISLAM: a clearer view"" thread as well as the root of the ""Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]"" thread. My statement was not that you had not read the book, but that you had not convinced me that you [inter alia] had. As I said before, if you want to defend your position, then produce evidence, and respond to the evidence I have posted; so far you have not. Of course, my statement was not directly aimed at you, but broadly at a number of Muslim posters who have repeated propaganda about the book, indicating that they haven't read it, and narrowly at Gregg Jaeger, who subsequently admitted that he hadn't in fact read the book, vindicating my skepticism in at least that one case. So far, the only things I have to go on regarding your own case are a) the statements you made concerning the book in the ""a clearer view"" posting, which I have challenged (not interpretation, but statements of fact, for instance ""Rushdie depicts the women of the most respected family in all of Islam as whores""), and b) your claim (which I had not seen before this) that you have indeed read it cover to cover. I am willing to try to resolve this down to a disagreement on critical interpretation, but you'll have to support your end, by responding to my criticism. I have no doubt as to the ability of a particular Muslim to go through this book with a highlighter finding passages to take personal offense at, but you have upheld the view that ""TSV *is* intended as an attack on Islam and upon Muslims"". This view must be defended by more than mere assertion, if you want anyone to take it seriously. >I am trying very hard to be amicable and rational. And I appreciate it, but welcome to the club. I am defending my honest opinion that this book should not be construed as a calculated (or otherwise) insulting attack on Islam, and the parallel opinion that most of the criticism of the book I have seen is baseless propaganda. I have supported my statements and critical interpretationa with in-context quotes from the book and Rushdie's essays, which is more than my correspondents have done. Of course, you are more than welcome to do so. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. " 1820,7,"From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) Subject: Re: Experience/opinions sought, diesel engines Article-I.D.: sail.13600 Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 42 In article <91321@hydra.gatech.EDU> jkg@jmp.com writes: >Apologies if this is a FAQ (is there a FAQ posting for this group? I >am an infrequent reader of rec.autos, so I can't remember). > >I am in the market for a used Chevy Suburban, and have observed that >prices for models with diesel engines run about $1000-2000 less than >comparable models with a gas engine. > >There has to be a reason for this. > Yes, there is: consumer confusion. In the early 80's with the fuel crisis, etc., everyone wanted better fuel mileage. Diesel fuel was the cheapest fuel available and usually provides better mileage than comparable gasoline engines. So, GM decided to conver their 350 gas engine into a diesel engine (I think was a 5.7 liter). Big mistake. The engine was not redesigned, but converted. The engine could not handle the higher compression, etc. Lots of problems with these cars. This thew up a big red flag to the casual observer -- DON""T BUY A DIESEL. THEY ARE BAD. This was a gross generalization. Ask yourself this question -- if your livelihood depended on driving, LOTS of it, would you use a dependable or undependable (but cheaper in the short run) vehicle? What do Greyhound busses have in them? Trailer Trucks? Even Train Locomotives? Are these gasoline engines? No, they are diesel. Tractor trailer truck manufacturers provide a 500,000 mile warrantee with they vehicles. I own an `82 Diesel Suburban. The 6.2L diesel is a GREAT engine. Just keeps going. It was more expensive (when new) than the gasoline engine vehicle was. The only problem with diesel engines is that when they need to be rebuilt, they are expensive. In a gas 350 engine, you will pay about $1000 for a rebuild. Diesel 6.2L is about $2000. But then again, the diesel engine lasts about twice as long and gets about 50% better mileage. A carburator for a gasoline engine costs about $100 to rebuild (or less). A rebuild of the fuel injection pump on a diesel will cost about $500 (or more). But then again, you never need a tune-up. If you're looking at a rebuilt 6.2L, I'd say you got a great deal. Check to see if the fuel injection pump was rebuilt also. Good luck. " 1821,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 10 In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 1822,5,"From: kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov (Kevin B. Weinrich) Subject: Solution: Why do I need ""xrdb -m"" when .Xdefaults unchanged? Organization: Computer Sciences Corp. Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ath.epa.gov The short answer seems to be: ""I don't"". The particular package (wscrawl) seems to reset *all* its defaults if *any* of them are missing from the .Xdefaults file. Once I added the missing ones to the .Xdefaults file, the problem goes away. -Kevin -- Kevin Weinrich Computer Sciences Corp. kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov " 1823,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Menangitis question Article-I.D.: pitt.19439 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 42 In article brooksby@brigham.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Glen W Brooksby) writes: >This past weekend a friend of mine lost his 13 month old >daughter in a matter of hours to a form of menangitis. The >person informing me called it 'Nicereal Meningicocis' (sp?). >In retrospect, the disease struck her probably sometime on >Friday evening and she passed away about 2:30pm on Saturday. >The symptoms seemed to be a rash that started small and >then began progressing rapidly. She began turning blue >eventually which was the tip-off that this was serious >but by that time it was too late (this is all second hand info.). > >My question is: >Is this an unusual form of Menangitis? How is it transmitted? >How does it work (ie. how does it kill so quickly)? > No, the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common forms of meningitis. It's the one that sometimes sweeps schools or boot camp. It is contagious and kills by attacking the covering of the brain, causing the blood vessels to thrombose and the brain to swell up. It is very treatable if caught in time. There isn't much time, however. The rash is the tip off. Infants are very susceptible to dying from bacterial meningitis. Any infant with a fever who becomes stiff or lethargic needs to be rushed to a hospital where a spinal tap will show if they have meningitis. Seizures can also occur. >Immediate family members were told to take some kind of medication >to prevent them from being carriers, yet they didn't have >any concerns about my wife and I coming to visit them. > It can live in the throat of carriers. Don't worry, you won't get it from them, especially if they took the medication. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1824,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 18 Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes: >And, from my meagre knowledge of the Bible, it seems that Christians have >been hard on the Jews of Christ's day for being cautious about accepting >somebody that their religious authorities didn't accept as the Messiah. This is a good point. Christ was hardly the only person who claimed to be the Messiah--in fact, a number of ""Messiahs"" were active in the area from the time of the Roman conquest to after the fall of Masada. Many of the statements made by the apostles--especially their repeated attempts to give Jesus a sword (give him military power) point to the fact that they didn't realize the true nature of his reign until after the fact. Many of the statements in the Bible can be seen as being oriented toward explaining this new definition of ""Messiah"" to the Jews who were being preached to. Alan Terlep ""...and the scorpion says, 'it's Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"" atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu " 1825,15,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Lines: 114 Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of Moody Bible Institute: > The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing. > It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing > evangelical Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we > are the only ones who know what the absolutes are. > We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed > His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic > importance of those absolutes."" There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on exactly what the criticism of ""arrogance"" is aimed at. The arrogance being attacked is that we ""think we are the only ones who know what the absolutes are"". In short, many evangelicals claim that they are infallible on the matter of religious texts. In particular, the problem is one of epistemology. As a shorthand, you can think of epistemology as ""how do you know?"" That question, it turns out, is a very troubling one. The problem with `absolute certainty' is that, at the bottom, at least some of the thinking goes on inside your own head. Unless you can be certain that everything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to discover a source of truth is in question. And that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of authority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty. Let's take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional Inerrantist named Zeke. (The following arguments applies to the idea of Papal Infallibility, too.) Zeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and several other topics. He has concluded, based on all these studies (and possibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute Truth. He may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct. His conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made mistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes. His conclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made mistakes. His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made mistakes. (Noticing a common thread yet? 8-) Everything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that happened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking. No matter what he does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own infallibility. As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own reasoning, that belief cannot be considered ""absolutely certain"". Zeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief is only as good as the quality of the search he made for it. Unless he can say that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt. Any belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on your own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop. Only an infallible thinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs. This is easy to demonstrate. Let's go back to our shorthand method of doing epistemology: ""how do you know?"" Imagine a hypothetical discussion: A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth. B: How do you know? A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church teachings and came to this conclusion. B: How do you know you studied history correctly? A: Well, I double-checked everything. B: How do you know you double-checked correctly? A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed. B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn't mean it is true. How do you know THEY studied it correctly? A: ... And, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say ""I can't prove that there are no mistakes"" -- and as long as you may have made a mistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain. There is no way out of the loop. This is where the ""arrogance of Christians"" arises: many people believe that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake. Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant. * People who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to find _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon. He is attacking the idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well), but the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is knowably Inerrant. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein " 1826,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 120 In <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > >(Deletion) >>>>Of course people say what they think to be the religion, and that this >>>>is not exactly the same coming from different people within the >>>>religion. There is nothing with there existing different perspectives >>>>within the religion -- perhaps one can say that they tend to converge on >>>>the truth. >> >>>My point is that they are doing a lot of harm on the way in the meantime. >>> >>>And that they converge is counterfactual, religions appear to split and >>>diverge. Even when there might be a 'True Religion' at the core, the layers >>>above determine what happens in practise, and they are quite inhumane >>>usually. >>> > >What you post then is supposed to be an answer, but I don't see what is has >got to do with what I say. > >I will repeat it. Religions as are harm people. And religions don't >converge, they split. Giving more to disagree upon. And there is a lot >of disagreement to whom one should be tolerant or if one should be >tolerant at all. Ideologies also split, giving more to disagree upon, and may also lead to intolerance. So do you also oppose all ideologies? I don't think your argument is an argument against religion at all, but just points out the weaknesses of human nature. >(Big deletion) >>(2) Do women have souls in Islam? >> >>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have >>souls. I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by >>Muslims of any era. I have heard of some Christians of some eras >>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims. Are you sure you might not be >>confusing Christian history with Islamic history? > >Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish >Caliphate. I would like a reference if you have got one, for this is news to me. >>Anyhow, that women are the spiritual equals of men can be clearly shown >>from many verses of the Qur'an. For example, the Qur'an says: >> >>""For Muslim men and women, -- >>for believing men and women, >>for devout men and women, >>for true men and women, >>for men and women who are patient and constant, >>for men and women who humble themselves, >>for men and women who give in charity, >>for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), >>for men and women who guard their chastity, >>and for men and women who engage much in God's praise -- >>For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward."" >> >>[Qur'an 33:35, Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation] >> >>There are other quotes too, but I think the above quote shows that men >>and women are spiritual equals (and thus, that women have souls just as >>men do) very clearly. >> > >No, it does not. It implies that they have souls, but it does not say they >have souls. And it is not given that the quote above is given a high >priority in all interpretations. One must approach the Qur'an with intelligence. Any thinking approach to the Qur'an cannot but interpret the above verse and others like it that women and men are spiritual equals. I think that the above verse does clearly imply that women have souls. Does it make any sense for something without a soul to be forgiven? Or to have a great reward (understood to be in the after-life)? I think the usual answer would be no -- in which case, the part saying ""For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward"" says they have souls. (If it makes sense to say that things without souls can be forgiven, then I have no idea _what_ a soul is.) As for your saying that the quote above may not be given a high priority in all interpretations, any thinking approach to the Qur'an has to give all verses of the Qur'an equal priority. That is because, according to Muslim belief, the _whole_ Qur'an is the revelation of God -- in fact, denying the truth of any part of the Qur'an is sufficient to be considered a disbeliever in Islam. >Quite similar to you other post, even when the Quran does not encourage >slavery, it is not justified to say that iit forbids or puts an end to >slavery. It is a non sequitur. Look, any approach to the Qur'an must be done with intelligence and thought. It is in this fashion that one can try to understand the Quran's message. In a book of finite length, it cannot explicitly answer every question you want to put to it, but through its teachings it can guide you. I think, however, that women are the spiritual equals of men is clearly and unambiguously implied in the above verse, and that since women can clearly be ""forgiven"" and ""rewarded"" they _must_ have souls (from the above verse). Let's try to understand what the Qur'an is trying to teach, rather than try to see how many ways it can be misinterpreted by ignoring this passage or that passage. The misinterpretations of the Qur'an based on ignoring this verse or that verse are infinite, but the interpretations fully consistent are more limited. Let's try to discuss these interpretations consistent with the text rather than how people can ignore this bit or that bit, for that is just showing how people can try to twist Islam for their own ends -- something I do not deny -- but provides no reflection on the true teachings of Islam whatsoever. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 1827,10,"From: drbombay@netlink.cts.com (Walter Ladwig) Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? Article-I.D.: netlink.4iBk2B1w165w Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA Lines: 7 The Blackhawks shall triumph. Walter Ladwig @ ""This is the weather the cuckoo likes, Net Link @ armored division submissive to DrBombay@Netlink.cts.com @ vernacular the world into a gambling @ birdhouse velocity."" -The Cut-Ups " 1828,13,"From: ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica) Subject: seek sedative information Originator: ghica@cyclops Organization: Citibank IBISM Lines: 11 has any one heard of a sedative called ""Rhoepnol""? Made by LaRouche, I believe. Any info as to side effects or equivalent tranquillizers? thanks.... -- ""This will just take a minute."" ""I'm 90% done."" ""It worked on my machine."" " 1829,11,"From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY (bet@sbi.com) wrote: : However, unless I : missed something, the only source they suggested (aside from a hardware RNG) : that seems available, and unguessable by an intruder, when a Unix is : fresh-booted, is I/O buffers related to network traffic. I believe my : solution basically uses that strategy, without requiring me to reach into : the kernel. A few more sources are statistics on your filesystems (easily and quickly obtained) and the output from the ""rusage"" system call. You can also exec a finger to one or more favorite heavily-used systems, though this can take several seconds. cf. the source code to RIPEM on ripem.msu.edu. Mark R. " 1830,0,"From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu Subject: Re: Bible Quiz Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT In article , kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <1qgbmt$c4f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank D. Kirschner) writes: > >> --- > > Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. > > Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God of inbreeding to which you are his only son. Pope John Paul " 1831,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 76 In article <115687@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: (deletion) >Sure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should >be dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for >leniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be >told the ""did a _bad_ thing."" > Straw man. And you brought up leniency. >>And what about the simple chance of misjudgements? > >Misjudgments should be avoided as much as possible. >I suspect that it's pretty unlikely that, given my requirement >of repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely. > Assuming that misjudgements are not correlated. (Deletion) >>I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers >>not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran >>allows that one beATs one's wife into submission. > > >Really? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it. > Has been discussed here. Chapter and verse were cited, I assume that you weren't looking then. Let's be more exact, do you think it is not in the Quran?. And what would your consequences be when it it was shown to be in it? >>Primitive Machism refers to >>that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault). > >Again, not all of the Orient follows the Qur'an. So you'll have to do >better than that. > I have not claimed that. It is sufficient for the argument when there are a lot of male dominated societies that qualify as Machistic. Are you going to say that the situation of women is better in sufficeint areas of the Orient? (Deletion) >This is an argument for why _you_ don't like religions that suppress >sex. A such it's an irrelevant argument. > >If you'd like to generalize it to an objective statement then >fine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement >that sex is not the business of religion (one of your ""arguments""). > >The urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong >measures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so >strong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to >find a marriage partner. > You apparently have trouble reading things you don't like. The point was having sex the way one wishes being a strong desire. Marriage is a red herring. Tell me about homosexuals, for one. You simply ignore everything that doesn't fit into the world as you would like to have it. And as for the situation of adolescents, one has probably keep your combination of leniency and maiming in mind, whe you say that it does not take *overly* strong measures to suppress the urge for sex in adolescents. Benedikt " 1832,11,"From: ethridge@crchh403 (Allen Ethridge) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh403 Organization: BNR, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 19 Amanda Walker (amanda@intercon.com) wrote: : uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: : [deletions] : : > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of : > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making : > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? : : The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. : I think i heard someplace (misc.legal?, comp.org.eff.talk?) that the courts have pretty much eliminated the fourth amendment already. -- allen@well.sf.ca.us Words got me the wound ethridge@bnr.ca and will get me well, my opinions are my own if you believe it. -- Jim Morrison " 1833,6,"From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson) Subject: IBM software for sale, cheap! Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 76 For Sale...: Three software packages for IBM PC and compatible computers: o Wing Commander deluxe edition o Includes Secret Missions 1 & 2 o Includes all original packaging, manuals and disks o Includes registration card (so you can send it in and register it in your name) o Original price for Wing Commander: $69.95 o Original price for Secret Missions I: $29.95 o Original price for Secret Missions II: $29.95 o Total original price: $129.85 o My asking price for all these of these games TOGETHER is $65.00 o Wing Commander and the Secret Missions is a battle and flight simulator set in space. It includes all the standard fun things about flight simulators, like taking off and landing on carriers, flying -- of course -- and better yet, it is also a battle simulator. It is a lot of fun, indeed. o An IBM PC or compatible with at least 640K, and dual floppies or a hard drive is required. o WinWay Resume for Windows o Includes all original packaging, manuals and disks o Original price: $50.00 o My asking price: $35.00 o WinWay Resume is a resume writing program for Windows. It is an excellent program (it got me a job!) and running under the Window's interface makes it very, very easy to use. All you do is answer a few questions, and print out the results. In just a few minutes, you have a beautifully and professionally designed resume. o An IBM PC with Windows 3.0 or later installed and 1 MB of free hard disk space is required. o More Typefaces o Includes all original packaging, manuals and disks o Original price: $99.99 o My asking price: $30.00 o More Typefaces is a package of three TypeType font families (for a total of twelve fonts) for Windows 3.1. The fonts included are: Marque, Crystal and Architech, and of course italic, bold and bold italic versions are included with all those fonts. Because of the unique font software included with the package, these fonts can be used with either the MoreFonts typeface program, Adobe Type Manager, TrueType, GeoWorks, Express Publisher and CorelDRAW. o An IBM PC with Windows 3.1 and a hard disk is required if you want to use the typefaces in TrueType format. For all other formats, an IBM PC and a hard disk with one of the programs listed above is required. If you are interested in any of these programs, please either leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951, anytime. If I don't answer, leave me a message on my answering machine and I'll call you back. I will pay the shipping on all of the programs to anywhere in the continental United States. Thank you! " 1834,8,"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Safe driving prcatices... Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 32 In article <5028@cvbnetPrime.COM>, rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes: |> Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass |> make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make |> sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least |> getting into his area of vision. This reads a lot like the philosophies of Musashi, in the Book of Five Rings. Much of the section on the long sword is that of being strong and decisive. Hmmm. The more things change.... |> Ride with four eyes... What an awfull thing to call your pillion! |> Rich |> ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect |> us from the evil men do in the name of good"" Power corrupts. Check out the explosion that the cryptography policy from the WhiteHouse Friday has caused.... --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 1835,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: THE ALL TIME GREATS TEAM Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr14.203122.12367@iscsvax.uni.edu> reed5575@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: > > Dave Winfield's name does not go > in the same sentence. As Aaron, Robinson, and Ott. In terms of PEAK, and I repeat PEAK years, Winfield has Done it all. He has batted in the 340's for a season, drove in 100 and more runs many times in a row before his injury. Consistently hit at or near 300 while knocking in 35 home runs. Have you even LOOKED at Dave Winfield's slugging percentage for three or 4 of his best seasons. I still think that dave was one of the BETTER of all time, but obviously not the best. He was one of the best athletes evr to play baseball. He hit line drives that hit the scoreboard in left-center field, a feat np one has done in the new Stadium. Heck, only 2 or 3 other people have hit it over that green fence since it has been remodeled. He could field, had a bullet arm, and his hitting was comparable in many seasons to gary sheffields, and barry bonds of last season. He is older now, and slowing down, takes more of an uppercut to lift the ball out of the park, but he will always be my hero, and my idol. There is nothing that could make me happier than George inviting Dave back to the Bronx to play his last year of ball with the Yankees. Of course, he will most likely refuse the offer, but who knows? For 3 million dollars, he'll play. Heck they are giving gallego 2.5 million this year, having Dave as their DH, while leaving him time to play the field when Tartabull is injured, or Nokes and mass are traded, should give the Yanks the inspiration and leadership that will sweep in a new age of Yankee domination. Michael Lurie " 1836,3,"From: studner@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (STUDNER ROGER ALAN) Subject: Modem for Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 4 I am selling a USR HST 14.4k baud modem with v42bis compression upgrades. THere is no manual, as it was lost going from one side of the U.S. to the other at some point. THe modem is setup for max throughput, and it has built in help, but a quick reference guide on the bottom of it, so its use it not difficult by any means. Any offers? " 1837,6,"From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal ) Subject: C64/128 GAme: ""X-Men"" for sale... Organization: Edgewood Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil Selling X-men for the C64/128 for only $10 plus shipping. first email gets it... thanx, -Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil " 1838,4,"From: arie@eecs.umich.edu (Arie Covrigaru) Subject: Re: HP DeskWriter 550C...Opinions? Feedback! In-Reply-To: phil@csc.liv.ac.uk's message of 14 Apr 93 14:22:39 GMT Reply-To: arie@eecs.umich.edu Organization: AI Lab, The University of Michigan Lines: 16 I like it a lot. It is worth the additional expense. The only problem I found is with MS Word (5.1a). If you have a table the is longer than a page and the cells have a visible border, the last (bottom of page) line on the first page will be missing. It makes no difference how the table is formatted. The worst is that it doesn't show up in word's page view or page preview. -- Arie. ========================================================================= | Arie Covrigaru | University of Michigan AI Lab | | Phone: (313)994-8887 | Room 149, Advanced Technology Bldg. | | Internet: arie@eecs.umich.edu | 1101 Beal Ave., Ann Arbor, MI 48109 | ========================================================================= " 1839,18,"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL... Article-I.D.: im4u.1pspp7INN3ea Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 307 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu ...His account that is. Many important issues, and some not-so important ones, are discussed here on the net on a daily basis. I have just been informed of what I feel is one of the most important things that we could ever discuss -- The out-and-out censorship of one of our fellow posters because some people don't like what he says or thinks. We have all seen the postings here by AJ Teel. Although many of us have not agreed with their content, I'm sure most of us have been at least somewhat interested in them. I, for one, am greatful to live (I thought) in a country where people like Mr. Teel are allowed to say what they please. If I don't wan't to read it, I can just skip on by, or unsuscribe. But, unfortunately, some people cannot let others live and let live. They feel an overwhelming need to snuff out the little bastards. Now it seems that Mr. Teel will be with us no more, due mainly to our brother, and cheif net police, Ted Frank. PLEASE HELP AJ TEEL REGAIN NET (POST) ACCESS AND CORRECT THIS INJUSTICE. ARE YOU ON TED'S HIT LIST? ARE YOUR THOUGHTS CORRECT? IS YOUR ACCOUNT SAFE? HAS YOUR SYSADMIN BEEN CONTACTED BY THE THOUGHT POLICE? I thought the NLG and the ACLU supported people with diverse opinions. NOT! Please read the following forwarded messages from AJ Teel so that you may understand this vial act for what it is... ------------------------------ forwarded --------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal Subject: Officer Ted Frank, Thought Police Badge Number NWO-666 Summary: Ted wins the argument by killing his opponent! Expires: Distribution: Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Keywords: NWO Ted Frank Well, well, well... Thanks to eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) and thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank), my account is to be axed. I guess that the information I am presenting is just toooo difficult for them to deal with. They (ONLY Ted and Mark) have complained to my sysadmin some unknown number of times to get me off the net. (In his defense, Mark sent only one message and it was not THAT bad; it has been posted in one of the newsgroups; However, it *was* not directed at me as would be common practice and I am VERY good at responding via netmail...) While I disagree with Ted, I would not send mail to his sysadmin to get him axed. Name-calling was not enough; jumping on every post I made was not enough; ignoring specific points when they were not what the desired picture was not enough; SIMPLY IGNORING ME IF I AM SUCH A KOOK WAS NOT ENOUGH. Even now I do not wish to have him axed, but I do wish to express my disgust about this. ""Argumentum ad silence-your-opponent-um""?! I would have thought he would have wanted me to stay around just to have someone to yell about and seem sooo wise... (to himself, I think). The issue that seems to be: ""Is the following an advertisement?"" Apparently, Ted and Mark think so... 1) I Posted an article from around one year ago as it was taken *off the net* from last year. If reposting an article constitutes posting an ad, then I am guilty. This post did have a name and address and, yes, a price. If one had posted the address and subscription price of ""Newsweek"", would that be an ad? I get nothing from showing this stuff. 2) I Posted a list of documents showing examples of the kind of ""proof"" that was REQUESTED BY TED FRANK. He then complains to my sysadmin saying that I am advertising and, lo and behold, ""poof"", there goes my account. This one had an address in it! Oh, no! I Guess that means it is an ad! If you value the alternative view I have been discussing, or VALUE ITS DISCUSSION even if you do not agree with it, I ask that you send a note saying as much to me to show to the sysadmin. They rarely get ""Ya know, that user on your net was real helpful..."" or whatever; they only get ""I don't like what that user is doing because..."". Please do not send the note to the sysadmin. I need to take it to them in a manner that has at least a chance of getting through. In my files here are hundreds of responses from people saying ""Thanks for the info"" or ""Could you send me such and such?"" or ""Your posts are very interesting... keep it up."" and only a handfull of ""Go aways"". But, I guess the fact that I have decided not to waste my time trying to convince Ted is a Net Offense[TM] of such magnitude as to warrant a message complaining about me. (Knock, knock...""My name is Ted and and this is Mark... We're from the thought police. Seems you have some pretty dangerous ideas here, and we're here to confiscate them..."") NWO Indeed! Guess I will have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new plan... Thanks Ted and Mike. Hope you are happy. I will be on for a few more days and then... that's all folks! Your comments and support are requested. I can no longer post to news. I ask what this has accomplished... Is there some benefit from making alternative views simply vanish? Not in my book. Seems the easiest way to win an argument is to make the opposing side shut up. Images of Waco.... ah, but alas... And all this when I am in the process of typing in a letter to me from the Tax Collector saying that a lien was removed due to a letter that I wrote challenging jurisdiction. Oh, well... It takes time to come up with the info requested, and I was just getting started. It should be noted that Ted Frank has been accused publicly over 40 times of being an NWO supporter and has never made an statements to the contrary. Further, what ARE Ted Frank's motivations for getting me axed? We all know that SOME PEOPLE are getting paid to collect info on people on the net that are of ""interest"" to the government, and Ted sure seems to have a *personal* interest in debunking me. Hmmm... just who does he work for? The University of Chicago which he ""attends""(?) is well known as one of the biggest NWO supporters... And finally, if anyone would be able to help me find a new account here in the Boulder/Denver area, I would greatly appreciate it. I am in the process of installing Linux and so will be able to do UUCP or maybe a TC/IP connection. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Since I am longer be able to post news and will no longer have email VERY soon, I hope that anyone who wishes to contact me will do so via: A. J. Teel, Sui Juris c/o USPS Box 19043 Boulder, Colorado, U.S.A. Postal Zone: 80308-9043 or leave me voice mail at: c/o (408) 281-0434 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Selected messages from Ted Frank via sysadmin follows: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Explicit Reservation Of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207) Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU) --------------------------- >From barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Mon Apr 5 14:39:21 1993 Received: from locutus.cs.colorado.edu by dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA14777 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:39:19 -0600 Received: by locutus.cs.colorado.edu with SMTP id AA15908 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:36:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199304052036.AA15908@locutus.cs.colorado.edu> To: ""Ted Frank"" Subject: Re: List of documents Cc: cstmr@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, csops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, vaxops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Reply-To: trouble@cs.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 05 Apr 93 13:29:06 CDT Date: Mon, 05 Apr 93 14:36:51 -0600 From: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Status: OR -------- Please ask ******* to stop advertising his wares on the network. Thank you. [Editor's Note: ^^^???] In article <1993Apr5.154256.5169@colorado.edu> ajteel writes: >[START OF DOCUMENT: doclist.txt.lis ] >DOCUMENTS NOW AVAILABLE > >BILL MEDINA, Sui Juris >Post Office Box 70400 >Sunnyvale, California, U.S.A. >Postal Zone: 94086-0400 (79 lines deleted). --------------- Resolution: --------------- Thank you. He has been warned before. We are taking action. Barbara J. Dyker Department of Computer Science Manager, Computer Operations Campus Box 430B, ECEE00-69 barb@cs.colorado.edu University of Colorado (303) 492-2545 Boulder, CO 80309-0430 -------------------- >From barb@locutus .cs.colorado.edu Mon Apr 5 15:50:36 1993 Received: from locutus.cs.colorado.edu by dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA15809 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:34 -0600 Received: by locutus.cs.colorado.edu id AA16069 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ajteel); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:27 -0600 From: Barbara Dyker Message-Id: <199304052150.AA16069@locutus.cs.colorado.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Subject: your account Cc: vaxops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, usenet@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, mozer@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Status: OR [...] I had already warned you that your inappropriate use of your account here must stop. You have used your account here as a soapbox for your political ""sui juris"" agenda. [...] > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 13:26:43 -0700 > From: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu > To: ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu > > Also, if you are reported for any more commercial > announcements, your account may be disabled. [Editor's note: What commercial advertisemnets are we talking about?] > From: barb@bruno.cs.colorado.edu > To: ""A.J. Teel"" > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 17:26:40 MST > [...] > As long as > they aren't causing any problems, we typically don't > mind. ...We have received two complaints about the > content of your messages so far (at least one of which I > consider valid) - which already constitutes excessive > in my book. Just don't let it happen again. [Editor's note: I *wonder* who the other post was from??!] >From laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Thu Mar 18 01:40:15 1993 To: ""Ted Frank"" Subject: Re: Bouncing Cc: cstmr@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu, csops@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Reply-To: trouble@cs.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 17 Mar 93 21:05:59 CST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:40:15 MST From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu -------- In article <1993Mar18.012344.6213@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU >Bounced names: > garry@research.att.com > bill@kean.usc.mun.ca > jad@hopper.Virginia.EDU > kima@gator.rational.com > >Hello All: > I am having trouble reaching the following (keeps bouncing). > If you sent me mail and haven't gotten a response, check here. > Also, can anyone tell me why these are bouncing? I used > the reply in elm which should send it right back, right? >With Explicit Reservation Of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207) >Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU) > [...] [Editor's Note: The reason for posting the header lines from the bounced messages was to show what the problem was and hopefully correct it.] [Ted Frank] It's inexcusable to post 150 lines of bounced mail headers to four newsgroups. A simple four-line post would have been sufficient. --------------- Resolution: --------------- [Lazlo] yes i agree. BUT our policy is to not watch everypost someone here makes. we generally let the net itself take care of inappropriate postings by flaming the user into shape (which i assume this is ment to be). we (CS operations) don't like to get involved in this stuff (unless its illegal, repetitive posts of 1gig gifs, harassment, or something else that offends the community in general). my suggestion is that you take it to email and explain what a post for bounces should look like or tell him to RTFM laz [Editor's note: Obviously, Ted had no such intention of doing so...] ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal [Editor's Note: From this .sig, it seems obvious that Ted Frank has an axe to grind... Why that particular quote?.... Hmmm... Sure makes me wonder.] -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | | ""Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."" | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 1840,12,"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) Subject: Re: Illusion Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 22 Chris Best (cab@col.hp.com) wrote: : > This is not a new idea. At least 10 years ago I got this little gadget with : > a keyboard on the back and 8 LED's in a vertical row on the front. It has a : > long handle and when you wave it in the air it ""writes"" the message you typed : > on the keyboard in the air. : : This is not news. In fact it's where I got the idea from, since it was : such a neat item. Mattell made it, I believe, modeled after a ""space : saber"" or ""light sword"" or something likewise theme-y. My addition was : using a motor for continuous display, and polar effects in addition to : character graphics. I should have protected it when I had the chance. : No one to kick but myself... : : Ten years ago is about right, since I built mine in '84 or '85. It's even older than that. I remember seeing a description of a garage operation selling them at some of the early Computer Faires in San Francisco about 5 years before that. Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com " 1841,18,"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri >tes: > >>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > >A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid >is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as >me how, I just have seen the results. > >Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in >the head. I'm sorry about your friend. Really. But this anecdote does nothing to justify the ""war on drugs"". If anything, it demonstrates that the ""war"" is a miserable failure. What it demonstrates is that people will take drugs if they want to, legal or not. Perhaps if your friend were taking legal, regulated drugs under a doctors supervision he might not be in the position he's in now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1842,15,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Re: Every Lent He suffers to save us Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 17 Correction: |The story I related is one of the seven apparitions |approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened |in La Salle, France. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That should be La Salette, France, 1846. I must admit, geography is not my forte. |[...] |Once again, the Lamb succeeds. -Marida ""...spreading God's words through actions..."" -Mother Teresa " 1843,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: CNN for sale Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 32 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu W.K. Gorman: <3>> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band <3>> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast <3>> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.. <3>I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't <3>think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening <3>until they break down HIS door. <3>BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a <3>minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made <3>viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :) <3>There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and <3>not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would <3>STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their <3>ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts. Any NRA headquarters weenies listening to this man. Any RTKBA organization honcho listening. It's time to stop fighting the Brady's and the Schumer's (now there's an interesting meaning to the acronynm BS) from the comfort of the office....we had better get serious with our time and money and get after it or we might just as well pack it in now. --- . OLX 2.2 . Gun control advocates must have had a sanity by-pass! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 1844,9,"From: hymowitz@hull.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear Lines: 23 kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? my understanding was that ted turner (owner of the braves) started running his tv station nationwide, and started running all of his team's games on his nationwide tv station, he dubbed his team ''america's team'' - that is, the only team (at least, at the time) all of whose games could be seen across america. now, wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus, but not all mets games are on wor. wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations (at least, they are on the east coast). i don't know how many cubs/sox/sox games they show. --hymie hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll be mellow when I'm dead. --''Weird'' Al Yankovic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You get your mellow, laid back attitude from Sonny the Cuckoo Bird. --Josh, about me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1845,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Compiling help Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 I'd like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c. The X distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say it has been tested on the machine. BUT, also in the release notes, nothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers. What am I supposed to use for my r5 X server then? How can the OS be supported, but not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can be used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but I'm *really* confused. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 1846,7,"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: seating ergonomics - headroom Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 14 In article <930411.153152.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes: >My physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position >for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not >to be much higher than my hips. > [...] >Are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to >having both headroom and a well designed seat height? Take a look at mini-vans. I sat in a Dodge Caravan, which had a high seat and plenty of headroom. -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time! " 1847,3,"From: satam@saathi.ncst.ernet.in (Kirtikumar G. Satam) Subject: PC Scanners Organization: /usr/userc/rts/satam/.organization Lines: 30 Hello there, I am looking out for good scanners (gray-scale only, no color) which can be connected to IBM PC compatibles. Also, automatic tray feeding is a must. Can somebody point out good scanners? What are things that one should look for while purchasing a scanner? I do not want hand-held scanners. My preliminary requirements are 1. 75 to 300/400 dpi 2. dithering / half-toning (various patterns) 3. drivers for DOS and windows 4. Standard file formats (what are they?). 5. Automatic feed. 6. Anything more? Is there any comparative survery in Byte or PC Mag? Which issue? Please e-mail. I'll summerize. - satam. satam@saathi.ernet.in -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirtikumar G. Satam ===>> satam@saathi.ncst.ernet.in Scientist, Network Division. National Center For Software Technology, Juhu, Bombay 400 049 Tel : +91 22 620 1606 Fax : +91 22 621 0139 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1848,12,"From: hcb@netcom.com (H. C. Bowman) Subject: 8x oversampling CD player Keywords: oversampling, CD, digitized audio Organization: Box of Rain Productions Lines: 27 Hello-- I just bought a new portable CD player for the office, and I notice that it proudly proclaims ""8 TIMES OVERSAMPLING"" on the box. Now while I think I understand what oversampling is (the rate of discrete ""samples"" exceeds the highest frequency component of interest by some factor), I don't understand this ""8 TIMES"" business... It seems to me that when I bought my first CD player (was it REALLY 10 years ago?!), the specs said ""4 TIMES"" ... Could someone please tell me whether I'm getting senile? If I'm not, then what good does it do for the player to take samples at a higher rate? If I really wanted better fidelity, wouldn't I have to have the same higher rate of sampling during the recording process? Furthermore, am I wrong in interpreting the sampling rate (from the player's point of view) as being the same thing as the data rate for the bit stream coming off the optical medium? Does this mean that the data rate (related to the rotational speed of the disk) has changed since 1983? I'm so confused... --Cliff -- | Clifford Bowman, Box 1890, Russellville, AR 72811 | hcb@netcom.com | | I'm pretty sure the world *isn't* fair... If it | (501) 968-2232 | | were, I'd be a lot worse off! | N5TJU | " 1849,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: WC 93: Results, April 20 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 162 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se 1993 World Championships in Germany: ==================================== Group A results: SWEDEN - CANADA 1-4 (0-0,1-1,0-3) 1st: 2nd: CAN 0-1 Geoff Sanderson (Kevin Dineen) 7:24 SWE 1-1 Patrik Juhlin (Jan Larsson) 15:23 (pp) 3rd: CAN 1-2 Geoff Sanderson 5:54 (ps) CAN 1-3 Mike Gartner (Greg Johnson,Adam Graves) 10:44 CAN 1-4 Rod Brind'Amour (Shayne Corson) 19:59 Shots on goal: Penalties: Attendance: Referee: Sweden 10 15 12 - 37 4*2min 6,500 Rob Hearn (USA) Canada 10 13 6 - 29 6*2min Bill Ranford stopped 36 shots to lead Canada to a 4-1 victory in a very well played game. The first period started with a give away from a Canadian defenseman and Rundqvist came in alone on Ranford but couldn't put the puck over a sliding Ranford. Later on, Kevin Dineen had a great opportunity but Soderstrom played very well too. Stefan Nilsson had a couple of great dekes and set up Jan Larsson but again Ranford came up big. Period ended scoreless but the edge to Sweden in creating more opportunities. Second period action saw Tommy Soderstrom making a GREAT save. Mark Recchi made a backhanded cross ice pass to Lindros, Eric one timed the puck but Soderstrom was there to make a glove hand save. At the 7-minute mark, Canada started applying pressure on the Swedes. Sanderson-Dineen-Brind'Amour worked hard and kept the puck in the Swedes' zone. Dineen gave the puck to Sanderson who skated around a screened Swedish defenseman, came in on Soderstrom and made a wrist shot that went it by Soderstrom's far post, 1-0 Canada. The Swedes picked up their game after that, and Peter Forsberg had a shot that hit Ranford's post (the inside), went parallel to the goal line and out. Then Gartner got a penalty and the Swedes a power play. Jan Larsson took a shot from the slot, Ranford gave a rebound to Larsson who saw Juhlin by the far post, passed the puck and Ranford was beat, 1-1. Third period started as the other periods, Swedes having most of the pressure but the Canadians always dangerous once they were close to the Swede goal. At 5:54, Canada created some great chances and Arto Blomsten was forced to cover the puck in the Swede goal crease since Soderstrom lost sight of it. That resulted in a penalty shot, since a defenseman can't cover the puck in the goal crease. Geoff Sanderson took the penalty shot (his first ever, he explained afterwards), and he put it low on Soderstrom's stick side, close to the post. Excellent penalty shot to give Canada a go ahead goal. Canada increased the lead on a very suspect offside, Gartner volleyed a bouncing puck past Soderstrom to make it 3-1. The Swedes ran out of gas then and couldn't produce as good scoring chances as they had for 2,5 periods. The 4-1 goal came with only 1 second left, Rod Brind'Amour scoring on a rebound from Soderstrom, where the Swedish defense already had their minds in the dressing room. A very good game (the best in the WC so far?), with both goalies playing great. Soderstrom best player in Sweden, but Ranford even played better than Soderstrom, that tells you something about Ranford. Probably the best goalie in the world, were some comments after the game. Canada played a very disciplined defense, Ranford pointed out that it is easy to play well with a good defense. Lindros played A LOT and played well, Sanderson naturally game hero with two goals. The Forsberg-Naslund-Bergqvist line Sweden's best along with Larsson-Juhlin- Nilsson. Swedish defense played well, 197 cm 104 kg Peter Popovic had the task of neutralizing 192 cm 107 kg Eric Lindros, and managed this very well. Ranger defenseman Peter Andersson finally got to go to the WC, and considering that he landed in Germany just a few hours before the game, he played very well. Swedish coach Curt Lundmark was irritated after the game, partly because of the Swedes inability to score, and partly because of the linesman's mistake on the 1-3 goal. Lines information follows further below. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ITALY - SWITZERLAND 1-0 (0-0,1-0,0-0) 1st: 2nd: ITA 1-0 Orlando 15:47 3rd: Penalties: ITA 10*2min, SWI 8*2min Referee: Anton Danko, Slovakia Attendance: 3,500 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Group B results: CZECH REPUBLIC - GERMANY 5-0 (0-0,3-0,2-0) 1st: 2nd: CZE 1-0 Kamil Kastak 1:51 CZE 2-0 Jiri Dolezal 12:26 CZE 3-0 Petr Hrbek 19:10 3rd: CZE 4-0 Radek Toupal 8:28 CZE 5-0 Josef Beranek 17:07 Penalties: CZE 7*2min, GER 6*2min 1*5min 1*10min game penalty Referee: Darren Loraas, Canada Attendance: 10,200 The Czechs were clearly better than the Germans, and the German crowd showed their discontent by throwing in stuff on the ice after a while. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - FINLAND - USA 1-1 (0-0,1-0,0-1) 1st: 2nd: FIN 1-0 Jarkko Varvio 4:00 3rd: USA 1-1 Ed Olczyk 4:26 Penalties: FIN 7*2min, USA 6*2min Referee: Valeri Bokarev, Russia Attendance: 2,800 I hope some Finns can provide information from this game (I didn't see the whole game). The Finns took the lead on a Jarkko Varvio slap shot from the blue line, and a soft goal for an unscreened Mike Richter. As far as the play in the second period goes, the Finns seemed to have the most control, so a 1-0 lead was warranted as I saw it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SWEDEN CANADA Goaltender: 30 Tommy Soderstrom 30 Bill Ranford Defense: 8 Kenneth Kennholt 5 Norm Maciver 14 Fredrik Stillman 24 Dave Manson 3 Peter Popovic 25 Geoff Smith 55 Peter Andersson 19 Brian Benning 7 Arto Blomsten 6 Terry Carkner 28 Roger Akerstrom 3 Garry Galley 4 Derek Mayer Forwards: 29 Mikael Renberg 15 Dave Gagner 9 Thomas Rundqvist 27 Adam Graves 34 Mikael Andersson 22 Mike Gartner 19 Markus Naslund 20 Paul Kariya 21 Peter Forsberg 88 Eric Lindros 18 Jonas Bergqvist 8 Mark Recchi 5 Patrik Juhlin 17 Rod Brind'Amour 20 Jan Larsson 9 Shayne Corson 4 Stefan Nilsson 11 Kevin Dineen 22 Charles Berglund 10 Geoff Sanderson 26 Michael Nylander 12 Greg Johnson (34 Andersson/18 Bergqvist) 14 Brian Savage 16 Kelly Buchberger -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 1850,5,"From: marc@ccvi.ccv.FR (Marc Bassini) Subject: [jb@sgihbtn.sierra.com: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!!] Organization: The Internet Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: jb@sgihbtn.sierra.com Cc: tech-staff@jekyll.ccvi.ccv.fr, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu >I think you may find that either Quarterdeck (Deskview/X) or >Hummingbird (eXceed) provide an Xlib for DOS. Perhaps they also have >an Xlib for MS-Windows? It's a possibility. > Yes, eXceed has windows version. Have ported some games like tetris, works fine. Si c'est vrai, ce serait bien de se le procurer car a ce moment la, le portage Xt... Suis-je en train de perdre mon temps avec la toolkit c++ ? Marc Bassini (marc@ccv.fr, marc@cnam.cnam.fr) Computers, Communications & Visions (C2V) 82 bd Haussmann, 75008 Paris FRANCE Phone 40.08.07.07, Fax 43.87.35.99 " 1851,9,"Organization: University of Maine System From: Ryan Robbins Subject: Re: Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win..... Lines: 10 Don't knock Vaughn for being a spring training .400 hitter but a .250 regular season hitter. Around 30 games played isn't an indication of how good any hitter is, and the quality of pitching is way down. Ryan Robbins Penobscot Hall University of Maine IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu " 1852,2,"From: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo) Subject: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!! Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Salutations! I don't usually subscribe to these newsgroups so I would really appreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me the answer to my problem. I have been using Windows 3.1 since buying it last winter but I have just now come across an annoying bug. I now have about 8 different groups in program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows! This happened when I installed Excel and WinFax Pro v.3. They both created their own groups but when I turned off windows and reran them, they were gone. I had to manually pull them up as new items and put them in a previously existing group as all new gropus disappear as soon as I turn off windows. my set up: precision 386dx-25 w/ 4 megs Trident 8900c with 1 meg Windows 3.1 running in 800x600 colour mode logitech mouseman Thank you in advance! Emile Woo ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emile Woo, Student Representative to Senate | .sig unavailable. Holding Internet: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca | referendum to decide politic- Tel: 822-6101 | ally correct witticism. " 1853,17,"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: An Untried Approach Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr20.114746.3364@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > > In article <1993Apr19.214300.17989@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: > > |> (Brad Hernlem writes: > |> > |> > |> >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli > |> >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the ""retaliatory"" > |> >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My ""team"", > |> >you see, was ""playing fair"" while the opposing team was rearranging the > |> >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. > |> > |> >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on > |> >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori > |> >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in > |> >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the > |> >Lebanese terrorists. > |> > |> If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the > |> issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. [...] > |> > |> Dorin > > Dorin, of all the criticism of my post expressed on t.p.m., this one I accept. > I regret that aspect of my post. It is my hope that the occupation will end (and > the accompanying loss of life) but I believe that stiff resistance can help to > achieve that end. Despite what some have said on t.p.m., I think that there is > a point when losses are unacceptable. The strategy drove U.S. troops out of > Lebanon, at least. > > Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) Hi Brad, I have two comments: Regarding your hope that the ""occupation will end... belive that stiff resistance..etc. - how about an untried approach, i.e., peace and cooperation. I can't help but wonder what would happen if all violence against Israelis stopped. Hopefully, violence against Arabs would stop at the same time. If a state of non-violence could be maintained, perhaps a state of cooperation could be achieved, i.e., greater economic opportunities for both peoples living in the ""territories"". Of course, given the current leadership of Israel, your way may work also - but if that leadership changes, e.g., to someone with Ariel Sharon's mentality, then I would predict a considerable loss of life, i.e., no winners. Secondly, regarding your comment about the U.S. troops responding to ""stiff resistance"" - the analogy is not quite valid. The U.S. troops could get out of the neighborhood altogether. The Israelis could not. Just my $.02 worth, no offense intended. Respectfully, Ben. " 1854,6,"From: rtwalker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert T Walker) Subject: Memory Keywords: memory, simms, hard drive Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: oh Lines: 11 Howdy! I'm just posting this for a friend so don't reply to me! I have a friend who has some 1x9 SIMMS for sale, 8MB for $250 or 4MB for 125$. He also has a Conner 170MB hard drive for $250. It runs at 14ms. His name is John and he can be reached at his BBS called Classified Connection at (614)575-1345, he is the Sysop, and you can call him and hear his awesome voice at (614)577-9673. Adios ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the R, the O, the B, the S-K-I " 1855,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 21 In article collins@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Collins) writes: >The difficulties of a high Isp OTV include... >If you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with >current technology. You're assuming that ""go solar"" = ""photovoltaic"". Solar dynamic power (turbo-alternators) doesn't have this problem. It also has rather less air drag due to its higher efficiency, which is a non-trivial win for big solar plants at low altitude. Now, you might have to replace the *rest* of the electronics fairly often, unless you invest substantial amounts of mass in shielding. >Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted >by international treaty. References? Such treaties have been *proposed*, but as far as I know, none of them has ever been negotiated or signed. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 1856,4,"From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) Subject: My IIcx won't turn on... Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 14 Anyone know what would cause my IIcx to not turn on when I hit the keyboard switch? The one in the back of the machine doesn't work either... The only way I can turn it on is to unplug the machine for a few minutes, then plug it back in and hit the power switch in the back immediately... Sometimes this doesn't even work for a long time... I remember hearing about this problem a long time ago, and that a logic board failure was mentioned as the source of the problem...is this true? Thanks, T.J. Pilon pilon@rpi.edu " 1857,5,"From: nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicholas Young) Subject: Writing a Motif widget X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group. Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK. Lines: 22 Can anyone give me some information, please ... I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source, or can I make do with the public headers that are provided? ""Motif"" includes Xt in this context. One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class. Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)? Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they could sell me, this might save me from having to write one! Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not yet have the spec)? Answers appreciated, Nicholas. -- Nicholas Young (+44 71 637 9111) " 1858,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Darrrrrrrrryl Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 64 The media is beating the incident at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday to death, but I haven't seen anything in rsb yet. Gerald Perry of the Cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two on and his club down by a run. He stroked a line drive into the right field corner. The ball cleared the three-foot high fence and went into the crowd. Darryl, racing over from right center, got to the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence, but he missed the ball. A fan sitting in the front row, wearing a mitt, reached up and caught the ball. Home run. Now I've seen the replay several times and I have concluded that Darryl missed the ball, and that the fan's glove was essentially behind Darryl's. Several Dodger fans with seats in the immediate vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with Strawberry. What cannot be disputed, however, is that the fan who caught the ball never took his eye off it; he was oblivious to where the fielder was playing. He was also quite exuberant as soon as he realized he had made the catch. That exuberance disappeared immediately, however, when Strawberry went into a tirade at the man. All reports indicate he used a lot of profanity and accused the man of interference, and therefore of costing the Dodgers a game. Shortly afterwards other fans hurled food and beverages toward the man who made the catch. Dodger Stadium officials started to remove him from the park, but then relented and just relocated him to another area. In an interview after the game, Lasorda blamed the fan for the loss. Strawberry also went into a tirade about how the fans are stupid and they don't care about winning. L.A. Times columnists similarly blasted the man who made the catch. Before each Dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any that are in the field of play. Was the fan wrong? Should he have been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility of interference? Or was he human and just reacting? By the way, he is a season ticket holder and on his request the Dodgers have relocated his seats to another area of the Stadium where future interference is impossible. Others have questioned why Darryl should be so concerned with what the fan did when he has a grand total of 1 rbi through the first nine games. I question what he was doing in right center with a left-handed pull hitter up and the game on the line. Had he been closer to the play, he certainly would have had a much better chance of catching the ball. But I guess the big debate continues as to what are the responsibilities of the fan. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 1859,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>Why can't the government just be a tennant? >I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately >current spending rules don't permit it to be workable. Actually, that is no longer true. In the last few years Congress has ammended laws to provide whatever is needed. Note that both Spacehab and Comet are funded this way. The problems aren't legal nor technical. The problem is NASA's culture. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allen W. Sherzer | ""A great man is one who does nothing but leaves | | aws@iti.org | nothing undone"" | +----------------------71 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 1860,17,"From: msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Silverman) Subject: Re: Clinton's views on Jerusalem Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 23 bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes: >I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated >that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as >Israel's capital. According to the article, Mr. Clinton >reaffirmed this after winning the presidency. However, >during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of >State Christopher stated that ""the status of Jerusalem >will be a final matter of discussion between the parties"". >Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status >of Jerusalem. All I want to know is if anyone can >authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc. From a recent interview in Middle East Insight magazine, Clinton said that he supports moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem, but would not do so at this time because it would interrupt the peace talks. -- msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu GO CUBS!!! ""One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball"" - Geddy Lee " 1861,15,"From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Reply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Organization: University of Technology Sydney Lines: 49 In article evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >In article reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes: >>Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom) writes: >> >Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying ""God told >me this"" and ""Jesus told me that""? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. > Let's get back to basics. Canon (from the latin) means a rule. If we say that a rule is open then its a rule made to be broken. There is an issue also of measurement against a rule. Thus the words that are spoken need to be compared against the rule/canon but not added to the canon. Is new revelation necessary? Topical, current, personal revelation I'd say is necessary. New revelation for all people for all times is not necessary as we have that in Scripture. You also seem to confuse canon with scripture. Scripture may speak of itself being open - ie God speaking today. It would speak that it is closed in the sense that the canon is unchangeable. (Though the concept of canon is later historically.) >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call >that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge? I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to >talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse? > I agree with the problem of confusion. If prophecy is meant to encourage, exhort or correct then is an overlap with scripture. If prophecy is meant to bring a `word' of the form ""the man you live with is not your husband"" then that is knowledge. Yet the exact words their are scripture. I would expect the difference to be the motive and means for delivery. The reading of scripture itself can be a powerful force. Regards David -- David Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\ | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007 | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864 / \ | 15-73 Broadway Sydney | Fax: +61 2 330 1807 \_.--._/ ""I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free"" v " 1862,1,"From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: Newsgroup Split Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: po.engin.umich.edu Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? Just curious. Daemon " 1863,4,"From: f_tawb@va.nkw.ac.uk Subject: US SIMM prices please Organization: Natural Environment Research Council Lines: 15 Please could someone in the US give me the current street prices on the following, with and without any relevant taxes: 8 Mb 72 pin SIMM 16 Mb 72 pin SIMM (both for Mac LC III) Are any tax refunds possible if they are to be exported to the UK? Can you recommend a reliable supplier? As I am posting this from a friend's account, please reply direct to me at: s.fraser@ic.ac.uk Thanks in advance for any help :^) Simon " 1864,18,"From: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Originator: ervan@dawn.cs.rice.edu Reply-To: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell) Organization: Rice University Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> In article <16APR199317110543@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... |> [.....] |> Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government |> power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the |> interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using |> government power for their own ends. But apart from that little |> conundrum... This is a difficult problem for which there is no obviously good solution. One approach is simply to try and move political opinion and hope a new more libertarian consensus lasts for a while. Another approach is to try and amend the constitution. The original constitution restrained the U.S. government from economic intervention for 100 to 150 years, depending on just how one wants to count it. The First Amendment, though weakened in many ways, still restrains government (particularly state and local), even though on many particular issues the majority is in favor of censorship. I think libertarians would be happy with another 100 years of restraint via an amendment or two (not that I think that's likely to happen). Not necessarily Mr. Hendricks, but other posters seem to see this as a problem with libertarianism, that it cannot be stable. That might be true, but it is not an objection to libertarianism per se. If a libertarian political consensus forms for a decade or two and then falls apart again, we would just be back where we are now. This is unlike the case for socialism where a socialist consensus that held for a while and then fell apart would not leave us where we are now, but instead with lots of bureaucracy that would be hard to get rid of, if not tyranny as the end condition of a strong socialist consensus. -- Ervan Darnell ervan@cs.rice.edu " 1865,11,"From: psionic@wam.umd.edu (Haywood J. Blowme) Subject: new encryption Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 120 As promised, I spoke today with the company mentioned in a Washington Times article about the Clipper chip announcement. The name of the company is Secure Communicatiions Technology (Information will be given at the end of this message on how to contact them). Basically they are disturbed about the announcement for many reasons that we are. More specifically however, Mr. Bryen of Secure Communications brought to light many points that might interest most of the readers. His belief is that AT&T was made known of the clipper well before the rest of the industry. This is for several reasons, several of which are: - A company of AT&T's size could never be able to make a decision to use the new chip on the SAME DAY it was announced. - Months ago they proposed using their own chip for AT&T's secure telephone devices. AT&T basically blew them off as being not interested at all. This stuck them as strange, until now... Also I spoke with Art Melnick, their cryptographer, he expressed several concerns over the new Clipper Chip: - The obvious backdoor will be able to let many people decrypt the code. - Once the key is released to authorities the security of the crypto system is lost forever. These keys can end up in the hands of any agency of the government. - The fact that the escrowed keys never change means that the algorithm is vulnerable over time to an attacker. - The classified algorithm may hide another backdoor. But he feels that it is probably to keep people from forging fake serial numbers, or changing the keys themselves. - Additionally he feels that the NSA has probably spent enough time and money in working on a way to keep this chip from being reversed engineered, that he feels that reverse engineering it will be very difficult to do. He feels that they have developed a suitable technique to protect the chip from this attack. Also he feels that the chip is hardware encoded with the algorithm and not microcoded onto the chip. Additonally I spoke with Mr. Melnick about their algorithm. He couldn't tell me much about their new agorithm because it hasn't been patented yet. However he told me a little: - The algorithm will be released for public review after patents have been granted for it. This is so the crypto community can see that it is secure. - The algorithm is called NEA for New Encryption Algorithm. The details were sketchy because now it is held as a trade secret until the patent was issued, but I was told that it will incorporate the following: - It will have fast encryption of data (Exact specs not given, but Mr. Melnick stated ""Much faster than what an RS-232 can put out."") - It is a symmetric cipher, just like IDEA and DES. - It will use 64 bit data blocks for encryption (like DES and IDEA). - The key length was not given to me, but Mr. Melnick states that it is _adujustable_ and is ""More than adequate for security."" - The algorithm is written in C and Assembler in software form, and can be ported to many platforms (Unlike the the Clipper Chip which is hardware ONLY and cannot be made into software) This I consider a definite plus for the NEA for widespread use. - The algorithm will accomodate public key distribution techniques such as RSA or Diffie-Hellman. This will also be supported in the hardware chip. - Right now the projected cost of the NEA chip will be about 10 dollars for each!! (Clipper will run 25 each chip [that is if it is produced enough, which probably won't happen]). - They currently sell a program called C-COM that uses the algorithm and a special streaming protocol that does not divide the encrypted data into ""blocks."" This could prevent plaintext attacks if you know what the block header is. This program operates at all supported RS-232 speeds and uses the software implementation of the algorithm. - Most importantly: IT DOES NOT HAVE A BACKDOOR!! Right now the company is afraid that the new clipper chip will put them out of business. This is a very real possibility. So they really need help in stopping the clipper chip from becoming a standard. If you want to contact them, they can be reached at.. Secure Communications Technology 8700 Georgia Ave. Suite 302 Silver Spring, MD (301) 588-2200 I talked to Mr. Bryen who represents the company. He can answer any questions you have. Any factual errors occurring in this write up are my own and I apologize for them ahead of time. ============================================================================= /// | psionic@wam.umd.edu | Fight the WIRETAP CHIP!! Ask me how! __ /// C= | -Craig H. Rowland- | \\\/// Amiga| PGP Key Available | ""Those who would give up liberty for \/// 1200 | by request. | security deserve neither."" ============================================================================= A " 1866,4,"From: casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe) Subject: Re: what do y'all think of the IIvx? Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 23 jfinete@cats.ucsc.edu (Joseph Manuel Finete) writes: >The IIvx...LCIII performance at a Centris 610 price. >And unless >you're running FPU-intensive software, the 610 will blow the doors off the >LCIII and the IIvx. From the benchmarks I've seen (was that in MacUser or MacWeek?) the FPU-less Centris 610 is _faster_ at floating-point operations (the kind of calculations that get routed to an FPU) than a Mac IIfx! And a Mac IIfx (68030 @ 40MHz + FPU) is _the_ fastest 030-based Mac. Take note, of course, that benchmarks never tell the whole story... Get your favorite program(s) and run them on both machines at the store. They should let you do that before you plunk down a hefty amount... Virtually, Philippe -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Philippe Casgrain Etudiant-Chercheur Casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA Departement des Sciences Biologiques Universite de Montreal #define disclaimer(caught) (caught ? ""I wasn't even there!"" : ""I didn't do it!"") " 1867,14,"From: ml@chiron.astro.uu.se (Mats Lindgren) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Uppsala University Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: chiron.astro.uu.se Comet P/Helin-Roman-Crockett also spent some time as a temporary satellite to Jupiter a few years ago if you believe the calculations by Tancredi, G., Lindgren, M. and Rickman, H.(Astron. Astrophys., 239, pp. 375-380, 1990). -- ------------------------------------------------------------- | Mats Lindgren | Mats.Lindgren@astro.uu.se | | Astronomical Observatory | 21619::laban::ml | | Box 515 | | | 751 20 Uppsala | Phone (+46) (0)18 51 35 22 | | Sweden | Fax 52 75 83 | ------------------------------------------------------------- " 1868,16,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Distribution: usa Lines: 24 As quoted from <1993Apr17.025258.7013@microsoft.com> by anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco): > cmort: > | If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the ""you can't build guns"" claim, > | they need look no farther than the Philippines. Amateur gunsmiths there > | regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns. Now > | if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically > | superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I > | can say is that he's living in a fantasy world. > > Unfortunately a few of those .45s blow up in your hands. That's life. First you marry Imelda Marcos, then you die! :) > On the other hand, my compatriots built an excellent copy of a Beretta that > I enjoyed using when I lived in the Philippines. Hmmmm. And that's the HARD stuff to copy! -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva " 1869,3,"From: prg@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Pete Green) Subject: Wanted: Advice/comments on building a PC Distribution: uk Organization: Manchester Computing Centre Lines: 14 In the next few months I am intending to build a 386 or 486 PC system for remote monitoring. I would welcome any comments or advice you may have on the choice of motherboard, HDDs and I/O boards. Recommendations for good companies selling these would be a big help. Many thanks, Peter Green. -- Peter R. Green ------- Tel:+44 61 200 4738 ---- Fax:+44 61 200 4019 ----------- JANET: prg@uk.ac.mcc.nessie INTERNET: prg%nessie.mcc.ac.uk ----------------------- #include ---------------------------- " 1870,16,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 168 Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: : > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental : > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK : > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population : > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted : > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the : > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as : > many people with baseball bats. : You just can't compare this way! All homicides must be shown, per capita, not : just handguns. The availability of them in the USA makes them the preferred : murder weapon, but ban them, and some other weapon will step in as the : favorite. As a ""favorite"", sure. As lethal, not likely. A study of violence in Chicago produced this table: Percentage of Reported Gun and Knife Attacks Resulting in Death Weapon Deaths As Percentage of Attacks --------------------------------------------------------------- Knives (16,518 total attacks) 2.4 Guns (6,350 total attacks) 12.2 Source: Firearms and Violence in American Life It might be contended that if gun murderers were deprived of guns that they would find a way to kill as often with knives. If this were so, knife attacks in cities where guns were widely used in homicide would be expected to show a low fatality rate, and knife attacks in cities where guns were not so widely used (like Vancouver) would show a higher fatality rate. But the Nat'l Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence Task Force analyzed the data and found this not to be the case. It appeared to them that as the number of knife attacks increased in relation to the number of firearms attacks (which presumably happened where guns were less available to assailants), the proportion of FATAL knife attacks did NOT increase relative to the proportion of gun attacks. In fact, the reverse was true. What was found was that most homicides did not show a determination on the part of the assailant to kill. Fatalities caused by knife tended to show a single-mindedness on the part of the assailant to do grave physical injury: multiple stabs wounds, wounds concentrated about the head neck and chest, etc. Most gun homicides did not show this pattern. Rather, more fatal attacks were committed during a moment of rage and not the focused intent to kill the victim. Source: Report on Firearms and Violence : Then, since England != USA (my ancestors left because of the oppression) you : must compare England before strict gun laws to England after strict gun laws to : be able to draw any meaning at all. England has essentially legalized drugs, : so there are no drug gangs battling for turf, etc., there. If you drop out the : drug related killings here, the USA would look a whole lot more peaceful. There are a lot of factors which make a difference. Actually, I'm not fond of making ANY kind of social parallels between Europeans and Americans. There are more cultural, beahvioral and economic differences between us than similarities. I just sort of found myself backed into that corner over the last couple of weeks. I don't think we could ever attain the low levels of European violent crime here in the US, whether we banned guns or required every law-abiding citizen to carry a loaded Uzi. On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more culturally similar, namely the Canadians. In fact, an exhaustive, seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control. In Seattle, handguns may be purchased legally for self-defense. After a 30-day waiting period, a permit can be obtained to carry a concealed weapon. The recreational use of handguns is minimally restricted. In Vancouver, self-defense is not considered a valid or legal reason to purchase a handgun. Concealed weapons are not permitted. Recreational uses of handguns (target shooting, collecting) are regulated by the province. Purchase of a handgun requires a restricted-weapons permit. A permit to carry may be obtained in order to transport the weapon to licensed shooting clubs. Handguns transported by vehicle must be stored in the trunk in a locked box. In short, gun control but not unreasonably so. Both cities aggressively enforce their gun laws. Convictions for gun-related offenses carry similar penalties. The researchers studied all cases of robbery, assault (simple and aggravated), burglary and homicides occurring in Seattle and Vancouver from 1/1/80 to 12/31/86. In defining the cases, they used the same standard: the FBI's Unified Crime Report. Results: during the seven-year study the annual rate of robbery in Seattle was found to be only slightly higher than that in Vancouver (1.09 / 1.11). Burglaries occurred at nearly identical rates (.99). 18,925 assaults were recorded in Seattle versus 12,034 in Vancouver. The risk of being a victim of a simple assault in Seattle was found to be only slightly higher than Vancouver (1.18 / 1.15) and the risk of aggravated assault was also slightly higher (1.16 / 1.12). However, when aggravated assaults were subdivided by weapon and the mechanism of assault, a clear pattern emerged. Although both cities reported nearly identical rates of aggravated assault involving knives and other dangerous weapons, firearms were far more likely to be used in Seattle. In fact, 7.7 times as often. Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle (11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000). After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations, the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63. When homicides were subdivided by the mechanism of death, the rate of homicide by knives and other weapons (excluding firearms) in Seattle was found to be almost identical to that in Vancouver. Virtually ALL of the increased risk of death in Seattle was due to a more than fivefold higher rate of homicide by firearms. Handguns accounted for roughly 85% of homicides involving firearms. Handguns were 4.8 times more likely to be used in homicides in Seattle than in Vancouver. The authors of the report also investigated ""legally justifiable"" homicides (self-defense). Only 32 such homicides occurred during the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police. Only 21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred: 17 in Seattle and 4 in Vancouver. Only 13 involved firearms. After excluding these cases, there was virtually no impact on these earlier findings. ------- This is, I feel, a very fair report. One might even make the argument that it is biased against Canada as a whole because Vancouver reports annual rates of homicide two to three times that of Ottawa, Calgary and Toronto while Seattle reports annual homicide rates only half to two-thirds that of NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles and Houston. Critics of handgun control always argue that limited legal access to handguns will have little effect on the rates of homicide because persons intent on killing others will only try harder to acquire a gun or will kill by other means. This report shows differently. If the rate of homicide in a community were influenced more by the strength of intent than by the availability of weapons, we could expect the rate of homicides by weapons other than guns to be higher in Vancouver than in Seattle. However, during the study interval, Vancouver's rate of homicide by weapons other than guns was not significantly higher than that in Seattle, suggesting that few would-be assailants switched to homicide by other methods. As well, ready access to handguns for self-defense by law-abiding citizens was not endorsed in this report. Although Seattle did experience a higher rate of firearm death for self-defense, these cases accounted for less than 4% of the homicides in both cities during the course of the study period. And, as was reported, Seattle apparently didn't enjoy relief from any crime category over Vancouver because citizens may legally arm themselves for self-defense. Heavily quoted source: Handgun Regulation, Crime, Assaults, and Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities. John H. Sloan, Arthur L. Kellerman, Donald T. Reay, James A. Ferris, Thomas Koepsall, Frederick P. Rivara, Charles Rice, Laurel Gray and James LoGerfo -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 1871,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: The state of justice (GM trial) Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two >new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not >from the fire. > > Thoughts? > > It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start >denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led >to the previous ruling appear. On the other hand, it would be kind of scary if there were *never* a final verdict, because a party to litigation could keep saying ""Oops! I forgot to bring up this evidence,"" and demand a new trial. You get one bite at the apple. > Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? >Shouldn't that be up to a jury? It's up to General Motors to find those witnesses in the first litigation. You'd be up in arms if a plaintiff suing General Motors pulled the same stunt and made them relitigate an issue that they already lost. It's not as if General Motors couldn't file enough discovery motions to delay the trial until they found all the witnesses they wanted. > And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk >shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Define ""obvious bias."" >Shouldn't that be enough for >a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? Did GM move for a new trial on those grounds? No? Perhaps they had a reason? -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 1872,18,"From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) Subject: Return of the Know Nothing Party Nntp-Posting-Host: vladimir.wetware.com Reply-To: drieux@wetware.com Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper Lines: 38 In article 23791@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) writes: >In article drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes: >> >>Well Actually its a case of Resolving whether one >>Supports Biblical Literalism, and the Enerrancy of the Bible, >>or Whether on wished to Jump On the SeXularHumanist, >>Detain all the True Christians in Death Camps approach >>of the Northern Liberal Abolitionists and their EFFORTS >>to Destroy the Bible, Corrupt the Moral Fibre of American >>and Lead the God Fearing into the Bondage of Liberal Degeneracy. >> >>But I guess one needs to know a little about the bible, >>christianity and american history..... > >Mt. St. Helens didn't spew such crap. How do you manage, >drieux, day in & day out, to keep it up?? So which are you advocating? That You know Nothing About American History, Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible? Is this a Restoration of the ""Know Nothing"" Party? ciao drieux ps: what WAS the ""Free Negro Sailor Act"" about, and what was the Supreme Court's Ruling On it... and More Importantly, how does this Complicate the Mythology that all blacks were slaves???? --- ""All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy! All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"" -Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings " 1873,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I once read an article on Computer technology which stated that every new computer technology was actually lower and slower then what it replaced. Silicon was less effective then the germanium products then available. GaAs was less capable then Silicon. Multi-processors were slower then existent single processors. What the argument was, though was that these new technologies promised either theoretically future higher performance or lower cost or higher densities. I think that the DC-1 may g=fit into this same model. ELV's can certainly launch more weight then a SSRT, but an SSRT offers the prospect of greater cycle times and lower costs. This is kind of a speculative posting, but I thought i'd throw it out as a hjistorical framework for those interested in the project. pat " 1874,4,"From: wstomv@wsinpa04.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff) Subject: DeskWriter Drivers 3.1 -- How to install ? Organization: Eindhoven Univ. of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: wsinpa04.win.tue.nl Keywords: HP DeskWriter, DW-3.1, System 7.1, installation I recently upgraded to System 7.1 and now I also upgraded my DeskWriter drivers from 2.2 to 3.1. I got the software from Sumex, but it is not clear to me where to install what. Can someone tell me which of the files that come with DW-3.1 go where and for what purpose? What can be left out, for instance, if you don't want to do background printing? Thanks, Tom -- INTERNET: wstomv@win.tue.nl / Eindhoven University of Technology VOICE: +31 40 47 41 25 / Dept of Mathematics & Computing Science FAX: +31 40 43 66 85 / PO Box 513, NL-5600 MB Eindhoven, Netherlands " 1875,1,"From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero In <1993Apr17.113223.12092@imag.fr> schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) writes: >Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes >with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows. >So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't >think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is >not very nice. No, VGALIB? Amazing.. I guess it was lost in all those subdirs :-) Thanks for correcting me. It doesn't sound very appealing though, only 320x200? I'm glad it wasn't something major I missed. Thanks, " 1876,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: muslim tithe; sexism in Genesis 2 Lines: 33 According to mdbs@ms.uky.edu, muslims tithe 1/6 of their income. Perhaps there are some offshoots of Islam that impose this on their followers. But the standard tithe is 1/40 of one's net worth, once a year. The same writer also objects to the Bible for teaching that > ""woman was created after man, to be his helper"" etc. This is presumably a reference to Genesis 2. Suppose that that chapter had been written with the sexes reversed. We have God creating woman, and then saying, ""It is not good that woman should be alone. I will make a help meet for her."" Feminists would be outraged. The clear implication would be that God had started at the bottom and worked up, making first the plants, then the fish and birds, then the beasts, then woman, and finally His masterpiece, the Male Chauvinist Pig. The statement that woman is not capable of functioning by herself, that she needs a man to open doors for her, would have been seen as a particularly gratuitous insult. The fact that the creation of woman from the dust of the ground was given only briefly and in general, while the creation of the Man was given in six times the number of words, would have been cited as evidence of the author's estimate of the relative importance of the sexes. The verdict would have been unequivocal. ""No self-respecting woman can accept this book as a moral guide, or as anything but sexist trash!"" I suggest that Moses, fearing this reaction, altered his original draft and described the creation with Adam first and then Eve, so as to appease Miriam and other radical feminists of the day. For some reason, however, it did not work. Yours, James Kiefer " 1877,11,"From: aj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Dormer) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Summary: Misinterretation got us here today Keywords: constitution, misinterpretation, law Organization: Purdue Daemons Distribution: na Lines: 26 Misinterpretation, though it should be a crime in itself, is what United States lawyers use to make their bread and butter. In Manchester, CT a few years ago, a small company wanted to run a game system galled ""LaserGames,"" similar in many aspects to Photon (tm). Three lawyers and about a hundred citizens found an ancient law in Manchester's books which clearly from context was designed to prohibit travelling carnivals by enumerating the features of a carnival which they felt at the time made the prohibition obvious. Among these things was ""shooting galleries,"" which is what the lawyers for the opposition to LaserGames wanted to harp upon. The judge took the two words from this law, completely out of context, and ruled that LaserGames could not operate in Manchester. Keep in mind that most travelling carnivals use projectile weapons in their shooting galleries, and not light beams. Clearly from context, LaserGames got shafted, but if the two words are applied, their denial of operating permission was justified. If I had the text of the law I'd post it, but I'm afraid I don't remember it all well enough to even try. That little bit with the two words stuck well, though. : John Dormer : jad@expert.cc.purdue.edu " 1878,5,"From: duijnda@wldelft.nl (ArnoDuijndam) Subject: Re: creating a GIF file. Lines: 29 Organization: Delft Hydraulics In article <9304261216.AA04485@crnsu1.in2p3.fr> michel@crnsu1.IN2p3.FR (6893) writes: >Path: wldelft.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!gatech!enterpoop.mit.edu!INTERNET!news-mail-gateway >From: michel@crnsu1.IN2p3.FR (6893) >Newsgroups: comp.windows.x >Subject: creating a GIF file. >Date: 26 Apr 1993 10:43:28 -0400 >Organization: The Internet >Lines: 12 >Sender: news@athena.mit.edu >Message-ID: <9304261216.AA04485@crnsu1.in2p3.fr> >NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu >To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > > We are looking for a X client which can convert a xwd or a bitmap >file into a gif file for use on a Macintosh. > > Thanks > > michel@crnsu1.in2p3.fr > Laurent MICHEL > CRN - GTI > BP 20 > 67037 STRASBOURG cedex (France) > Phone (33) 88 28 62 76 Just look at the pbmplus package; it does everything you could ever ask for in converting pbm to almost any format (gif, tga, pcx etc...) Arno Duijndam " 1879,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 62 I was curious to check out how many San Jose Mercury News mentioned Tyre (1990-92). Here's the outcome from the research (condenced versions, copyright San Jose Mercury news): --- Bombings in the two largest cities in southern Lebanon killed 11 people and wounded 80 others. A car bomb blew up in Tyre, killing 10 people and wounding 75. A man was killed and five others seriously wounded in an explosion in Nabatiye. --- An Israeli navy patrol boat attacked and sank a rubber guerrilla boat off southern Lebanon early today, killing the two men aboard, the army command said. It said in a communique that a Dvora patrol boat opened fire on the motorized rubber dinghy north of Tyre after identifying it as hostile. The army said no one on the Israeli boat was injured. The affiliation of the slain guerrillas was not immediately known. --- Rival factions of the guerrilla group led by terrorist mastermind Abu Nidal battled Sunday in Tyre, Lebanon, with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, killing at least four people and wounding 15, police said. --- Lebanon's mainstream Shiite Muslim militia said Thursday that it had uncovered a network of tunnels in a southern Lebanese village where it said pro- Iranian kidnappers had held Western hostages. Officials of the militia, Amal, led local journalists through the catacomb- like alleys and showed them two cells with iron doors at the village, Kawthariyet al Siyad, near Tyre, the ancient port city, about 40 miles south of Beirut. The officials said they were certain that U.S. Marine Lt. Col. William R. Higgins was detained there shortly after he was seized by gunmen on a road outside Tyre in February 1988. -------------- ...anyway, I counted 20 articles during these 3 years of reporting. I also found out the possible reason why the numbers for the inhabitants of the city is defined between 14000 and 24000. It seems that Tyre is one of the places where people from Libanon flee to during more extensive bombings, so there's a constant flow of refugees entering and leaving Tyre (articles mentioned thousands of people entering and leaving this place). I counted 0 articles for my home town, Kristinestad, so from now I will consider this place to be a fishing village :-). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 1880,8,"Subject: Re: Traffic morons From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 28 In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote: > > NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) > NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks > > NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to > NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was > NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I > NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the > NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). > > NMM>Did I do the right thing? imho, you did the wrong thing. You could have been shot or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit out of you. Consider that the person is foolish enough to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too. Just get the heck away from the idiot. IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_ file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court. It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. " 1881,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr25.222120.3411@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: >> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were >> tortured. We ALL suffered. > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many >others suffered physically. I'm just waiting for Andi to tell us that African Americans should start paying compensation to White Americans who ""suffered"" from being slave owners. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1882,3,"From: volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) Subject: Q: which of these CD-ROM players would you choose for OS/2? Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands Nntp-Posting-Host: itkdsh.kub.nl Lines: 38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netters! I need a cdrom drive as my order was cancelled and thought 'Why not ask the net.community'? I was ordering a Nec CDR-74 but saw so much cheaper ones that I want to know more. The drive will be used to install software and (if available) for listening to CD's. Perhaps some day I'll want to use it to read the other CD's, but that's not really relevant at the moment. I've been offered the following CD-ROM players, for the prices stated. They all claim to have SCSI-I, and operate under OS/2. The drives are not listed in the cdrom-faq and therefor, please give your opinions on the drives, i've got the impression that they're not all SCSI. Actually the Nec was listed as non-scsi in the cdrom-faq and as a compatible SCSI product in the os2faq. I've calculated the prices as having dutch guilders times 2. It's actually about times 1.8. Mitsumi CRMC $240 Philips LMS-I $300 Philips 205 $350 Toshiba ? $370 Nec CDR-74 $650 Who bought that Trantor that is in the faq? It's extremely cheap and SCSI, so what's the trick or where can I order it (Holland using MasterCard). Trantor T128 $200 regards, JV ///// name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ] address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/ 4847 hw teteringen fax: +3176-600220 _| |_ holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \ _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__ " 1883,0,"From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > > >In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: Stuff deleted > >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly > >>come clean and to show their proof that Islamic Law punishes > >>apostacy with death or that it tolerates any similar form of > >>coversion of freedom of conscience. All five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the death sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent, and aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise I agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief. The Qur'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of conscience. Public or private disavowal of Islam or conversion to another faith is not punishable (there are some jurists who have gone against this trend and insisted that apostasy is punishable (even by death) - but historically they are the exception. Cursing and Insulting the Prophets falls under the category of ""Shatim"". > > I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc. >Lots of stuff deleted< > > And, according to the above analysis, it looks like Khomeini's offering > of a reward for Rushdie's death in fact constitutes a criminal act > according to Islamic law. Please see my post under ""Re: Yet more Rushdie (ISLAMIC LAW)"". " 1884,6,From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) Subject: Technical books for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 39 Hello. I have the following for sale. Most of the books are in perfect condition. If interested please e-mail to chungy2@rpi.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Through The Telescope (hard cover) $14.00 Surface Physics (soft cover) $13.00 The Physics of Structurally Disordered Matter: An Introduction (soft cover) $55.00 Subatomic Physics (hard cover) $57.00 A First General Relativity (hard cover) $20.00 Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics (soft cover) $8.00 Advances in Atomic and Molecular Physics. Vol 1. (hard cover) $30.00 Advances in Atomic and Molecular Physics. Vol 3. (hard cover) $30.00 Molecular Beams (hard cover) $15.00 Molecular Beams and Reaction Kinetics. (hard cover) $20.00 Perturbation Methods in Applied Mathematics. (hard cover) $40.00 Elementary Differential Equations and Boundary Value Problems. (hard cover) $27.00 Vector Mechanics for Engineers: Statics and Dynamics. (hard cover) $30.00 Free-Electron Lasers. (hard cover) $20.00 Physical Mechanics. (hard cover) $15.00 1885,14,"From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. In-Reply-To: todd@phad.la.locus.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:28:00 GMT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University <1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com> Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com> todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson) writes: As for advertising -- sure, why not? A NASA friend and I spent one drunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need to put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization on the face of the Moon. Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning. Hmmm. It actually isn't all that much, is it? Like about 2 million km^2 (if you think that sounds like a lot, it's only a few tens of m^2 per burger that said organization sold last year). You'd be best off with a reflective substance that could be sprayed thinly by an unmanned craft in lunar orbit (or, rather, a large set of such craft). If you can get a reasonable albedo it would be visible even at new moon (since the moon itself is quite dark), and _bright_ at full moon. You might have to abandon the colour, though. Buy a cheap launch system, design reusable moon -> lunar orbit unmanned spraying craft, build 50 said craft, establish a lunar base to extract TiO2 (say: for colour you'd be better off with a sulphur compound, I suppose) and some sort of propellant, and Bob's your uncle. I'll do it for, say, 20 billion dollars (plus changes of identity for me and all my loved ones). Delivery date 2010. Can we get the fast-food chain bidding against the fizzy-drink vendors? Who else might be interested? Would they buy it, given that it's a _lot_ more expensive, and not much more impressive, than putting a large set of several-km inflatable billboards in LEO (or in GEO, visible 24 hours from your key growth market). I'll do _that_ for only $5bn (and the changes of identity). Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu " 1886,0,"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Thanks to whoever posted this wonderful parody of people who post without reading the FAQ! I was laughing for a good 5 minutes. Were there any parts of the FAQ that weren't mentioned? I think there might have been one or two... Please don't tell me this wasn't a joke. I'm not ready to hear that yet... Brendan " 1887,6,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Shipping costs Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 71 In article <1pd24e$745@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes: |> |> In a previous article, tomc@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Tom Carlino) says: |> |> >Recently I bought a musical instrument through the internet and had |> >it shipped to me via UPS ground. The shipping was done through a |> >mail box service, Mailboxes, Etc. Being somewhat surprised at the |> >price, I compared prices of shipping this way to shipping directly |> >through UPS and this is a summary. I am not making any endorsements |> >or condemnations but merely presenting the facts from which you may |> >draw your own conclusions. |> > |> |> I've encountered the same thing with Mailboxes, Etc. and I suggest |> anyone to use the original UPS service if at all possible. Shipping |> to Virginia from Cleveland was around $20 for 12 pounds, and C.O.D. |> was $8.00, as opposed to $4.50 for UPS. I'll third the opinion about this outfit/franchise. Now, when I buy over the net and pick up the shipping costs, I'll specify that I only pick up the normal UPS charges (as if delivered directly to UPS), as I've been burned by $10 shipping charges for a $2.49 pkg. I will never use a mailing service unless I don't have the right box and the buyer needs whatever IMMEDIATELY. I'll also tell the person, if they agreed to pick up shipping, what is going on. Other things to watch out for/consider: The rates are $5 to $30 higher than UPS direct. For a non-UPS (truck) package, they quoted a rate of $85. Fed Ex economy air was only $85 for the same weight! RPS (a trucking package company, in many cities) only wanted $18. Guess who got it. The Mailbox operator told me I was not telling the truth about competitors' rates, said RPS was unreliable (I've used them before with NO problems), etc. Right. A COD check goes to the mailing service. Our local Mailbox then takes its sweet time mailing me the remade check. All this for an additional $3.00 over the UPS COD charge. What a deal.... :-) For packages over $100, they charge you about double over what UPS charges them for insurance. I've never had a claim, but other netters (is Ralph Seguin out there?) have told horror stories about them... All package traces have to be done through Mailbox by Mailbox. Our local Mailbox operator told me I was lying when I asked him why their rates were stratospheric compared to direct UPS. Does he ever check? Probably not... Their UPS ground rates come close to Fed Ex's economy air rate, and Fed Ex will pick up! UPS will pick up for a $5 charge in most areas! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 1888,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 12 In article , Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: |> Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ... |> eric Like, there's a FAQ for this? --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 1889,11,"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Distribution: na Lines: 22 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article >tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Isn't this just a little melodramatic? Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. -- The greatest threat facing the citizens of the United States in the decade of the 90s is the United States Government; at all levels -- Federal, State, Local [All opinions are mine, and I reserve the right to deny them at any time - WWH] " 1890,2,From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) Subject: More Diamond SS 24X Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology Lines: 11 Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. Thx Dave L 1891,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 35 In article dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: > > I have a new scope and I thought I'd save a few bucks by >buying one with a function generator built in. Hmm... now where was that ad for the combination radio/hand cranked generator/flashlight/siren I saw? :-) [function generator has a 50mV offset, and the amplitude's too high] > Is there any way I could make myself a little box that could >solve this little problem. The box would tkae the function generator >input, lower the voltage and give an output impedance that is some >low, unchanging number. I would want to lower the voltage by a factor >of one hundred or so. I could just build a little buffer amp, but I'd >like to have this box not be active. Sure, you've already got the right idea. Ignoring the 50 ohm internal resistance of the generator for a second, just run it into, say, a voltage divider made of 990 ohms in series with 10 ohms. This new circuit is the Thevenin equivalent of one that puts out 1/100 of the original voltage, and has an output impedence of negligibly less than 10 ohms. You may want to monkey with the values a little depending on whether you care more about the _exact_ dividing ratio or the availability of parts. Hows that sound? ---Joel Kolstad P.S. -- This is why those 1000:1 high voltage probes for multimeters can be accurate but still cheap. They have something like 100 megs in series with 100k, which doesn't load the (often high impedence) source much, as well as keeping the (probably 10 meg impedance) multimeter happy. " 1892,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr14.210636.4253@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: >Hezbollah and other Lebanese Resistance fighters are skilled at precision >bombing of SLA and Israeli targets. It's hard to beat a car-bomb with a suicidal driver in getting right up to the target before blowing up. Even booby-traps and radio-controlled bombs under cars are pretty efficient killers. You have a point. >I find such methods to be far more >restrained and responsible Is this part of your Islamic value-system? >than the Israeli method of shelling and bombing >villages with the hope that a Hezbollah member will be killed along with >the civilians murdered. Had Israeli methods been anything like this, then Iraq wouldn've been nuked long ago, entire Arab towns deported and executions performed by the tens of thousands. The fact is, though, that Israeli methods aren't even 1/10,000th as evil as those which are common and everyday in Arab states. >Soldiers are trained to die for their country. Three IDF soldiers >did their duty the other day. These men need not have died if their government >had kept them on Israeli soil. ""Israeli soil""???? Brad/Ali! Just wait until the Ayatollah's thought-police get wind of this. It's all ""Holy Muslim Soil (tm)"". Have you forgotten? May Allah have mercy on you now. >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1893,16,"From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Organization: N/I Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr15.165952.25970@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <1qibs0$flk@vela.acs.oakland.edu> awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley) writes: [ ... ] >>Actually, there was only one confirmed sniper to >die< in Detroit, >>according to Sauter & Hines, _Nightmare in Detroit, A Rebellion & It's > >What sources did Sauter and Hines use? In Congressional hearings >later, the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely >wrong. (Some of their excuses are understandable, while others amount >to gross negligence. Then there's their ""we lied"".) As far as I >know, they never did the followup. This, BTW, is normal behavior for newsie's. The followup isn't ""news"" ... -------- ""I am pleased to accept Life Membership in the National Rifle Association and extend to your organization every good wish for continued success."" -- President John F. Kennedy, March 20, 1961 " 1894,14,"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca Lines: 9 Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record- players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems. Mind you, my father was a vacuum-tube fan in the 60s (Switched to solid-state in the mid-seventies and then abruptly died; no doubt there's a lesson in that) and his account could have been biased. James Nicoll " 1895,12,"From: jmc@engr.engr.uark.edu (J. M. Carmack) Subject: RE: Exploding TV Nntp-Posting-Host: engr.engr.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Lines: 21 Just a thought........Maybe it possibly has to do with the fact that it IS an Emerson. I've got an Emerson VCR which is #6 in the series. Returned it six times for various and never the same problems. Got tired of taking it back and fixed it myself. The Hi-Fi ""window"" was a bit off. Something like the Hi-Fi audio fine-tuning. When I was a Wal-Mart ""associate"" in '88-'89, we had AT LEAST one returned as defective EVERY SINGLE DAY. How's that for reliability? Face it--Emerson can make audio stuff (albeit not of premium quality), but they CAN'T make anything as complex as video equipment with reliability IMHO. Please, no flames. Just *had* to share my Emerson disaster in the light of this exploding tv. JC -- -----------------+---------------+-------------+--------------+--------------- La Vie -- C'est Une Plage! | ?Caffine Not Present Error | jmc@engr.uark.edu This Message Printed on | Abort, Retry, Fail ? | 100% recycled electricity. | | Tangerine!! " 1896,7,"From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta) Subject: Master Cylinder Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu Thanks to everyone who responded to my Honda Accord break question. It does seem that the master cylinder is bad. I will have my mechanic double check and be sure it isn't something simpler and cheaper first, but from your responses it sounds like it is very likely to be the master cylinder. Thanks everyone!! Joni " 1897,10,"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: Re: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 18 In article , gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) writes: > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's the mindscheme(?) behind this one -- Ted > Simmons? As the saying goes, ""If it ain't broke, don't fix it."" I'm 230 > miles from home (during the school year) and will never be able to pick up > DVE. At least now I can sort of make out what Mike and Steigy say through > all the static on KDKA. This just may be enough reason for me to transfer > to Duquesne and live at home. Who's going to announce on DVE anyway? > Paulson and Krenn? (Just kidding.) > > George Don't kid around... They just might listen. Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University waiting to hear 'Free Bird' as the new Penguins theme " 1898,16,"From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? In-Reply-To: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 20 Apr 93 17:46:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 >What does this from NORWAY think he's doing telling us >how to run the place? I wanna know... somebody please 'splain. > >Guess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich? Give you a hint, >it wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it.... I believe it had something to do with a politician whose name isn't exactly the most complimentary word nowadays...one Vidkun Quisling. We all know what a quisling is, right? I'm sure everyone can come up with a few examples right about now :->. -Steve " 1899,0,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: EnviroLeague Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 117 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com A new alternative to Scouting for those ""unacceptable to BSA"" for reasons of religious or sexual preference: From: ""BOYD R. CRITZ, III"" <71611.365@CompuServe.COM> Subject: EnviroLeague ""Birth Announcement"" on March 7, 1993, from EARTH Forum, CompuServe Information Service =================================================================== FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT ------------------- (SM) EnviroLeague A new youth movement,""EnviroLeague,"" was recently born, according to its founder, Boyd R. Critz, III (CIS ID# 71611,365), of Peoria, Illinois. EnviroLeague exists for the education of youth, both male and female, in matters concerning their values related to and responsibility for our environment. Incorporated as an Illinois not-for-profit corporation, its Articles and initial applications for a service mark have now been filed. According to Critz, its draft Bylaws contain the following statement of Mission and Objectives: MISSION It is the Mission of EnviroLeague and its adult members to foster and implement the improved education of young people in the need to conduct their lives as Stewards of The Earth, to leave The Earth in a better condition than they found it, and to otherwise act as responsible, moral and ethical users of their environment. To pursue the accomplishment of this Mission, EnviroLeague shall seek to serve as a catalyst, focusing in common cause the separate efforts of all groups desiring the preservation, improvement, and responsible use of the environment in which we must all live. OBJECTIVES In pursuit of the Mission of EnviroLeague, its primary objectives shall be: (1) To establish a Movement involving as many environmentally concerned organizations as possible, said Movement having as its primary focus the education and participatory involvement of young people in appropriate areas of environmental concern; (2) To develop and provide to such organizations and their branches a full complement of program materials for their use, including suitable uniforms, insignia and other badges, written ideas, syllabi and information, literature and other items as shall seem appropriate and desirable; (3) To serve as a ""clearing house"" for the exchange of program ideas, materials and information among said organizations; and (4) To assist environmentally concerned organizations to recruit and train the necessary adult leadership for their youth programs. EnviroLeague will operate through three ""Program Divisions"" serving youth in the elementary, middle and high school grades, respectively. Service shall be through formation of ""EnviroLeague Teams,"" either by EnviroLeague itself or by environmentally conscious organizations (or their local branches) wishing a charter to use programs developed by EnviroLeague. EnviroLeague, as it develops, will be controlled by the actual adult leaders of each local Team, and will have no nationally imposed obstacles to membership or adult leadership status not based upon relevant improper conduct. Organizations accepting a charter may, however, impose certain additional standards for their own use of the program material. Should such organizations do so, EnviroLeague will commit itself to forming, as soon as possible, new nearby Teams having no such restrictions, particularly as to youth membership. EnviroLeague will operate on the principle that youth will have much to contribute to developing its programs. Thus, the top youth leaders of its Teams for middle and high school youth may become involved in governing any local administrative groups, and those for its high school youth may be involved in similar functions at the national level. Program materials are in development at this time. Copies of the ""draft"" portions of the Mentor's Manual (manual for adult leadership) will be in the EARTH Forum, Library 17. These files will be updated as development takes place. CompuServe is particularly proud that EnviroLeague's founder chose this electronic medium to make the first public announcement of its formation. This announcement is being made simultaneously in both the OUTDOOR and EARTH Forums. The electronic home of EnviroLeague is in CompuServe's Earth Forum - GO EARTH - message and library areas 17, both named ""EnviroLeague."" ============================================================================ Subsequently, EnviroLeague's Initial Governance Council has held its first meeting. Boyd Critz was elected as the first EnviroLeague Chief Guardian (equivalent to Chairman of the Board or CEO). He can be reached at home (309) 675-4483 in case of real need. Also, mail can be addressed to: EnviroLeague P.O. Box 418 Peoria, IL 61651-0418 Those interested in starting an EnviroLeague Team might just establish contact, to receive a diskette (IBM DOS, ASCII) with initial information. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 1900,2,"From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) Subject: Re: Ghostscript for win fonts???? Keywords: ghostscript,fonts Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 26 servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) writes: That's me.... >I just downloaded the Windows Ghostscript package(gswin252.zip,gs252ini.zip) >from ftp. When I load a PS file it says it cant find font and substitutes a >font called Ugly. It is substituting for basic fonts such as Helv, and Cour. >I would imagine that these fonts are included in its font library. Is there >something I am doing wrong or am missing? These Ugly fonts are not very clear >and well defined, as in sharpness, etc, basically they are ugly! Any advice >is welcome. Ok, I realize I have to get the font files from some ftp site. I found them at cica but I now have another question..... Are the 24*.zip fonts compatible with gswin252?? >Please email Brian Servis =========================================================================== || servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || ""It Happened This Way"" || ===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims|| || What I say may not be what I || || || think. What I say may not be || ""The pedestrian had no idea which || || what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over."" || =========================================================================== " 1901,18,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: Pro-abortion feminist leader endorses trashing of free speech rights Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 9 Do the words ""chilling effect"" stimulate impulses within that small collection of neurons you call a brain? cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. " 1902,15,"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 45 In article 29201@athos.rutgers.edu, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: >In article johnsd2@rpi.edu writes: >>In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >> >>> This is why the most effective >>>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual >>>needs. >> >>You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim >>like this. >> >In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps >involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- >recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective. [deletia- and so on] I seem to have been rather unclear. What I was asking is this: Please show me that the most effective substance-absure recovery programs involve meetinsg peoples' spiritual needs, rather than merely attempting to fill peoples' spiritual needs as percieved by the people, A.A, S.R.C. regulars, or snoopy. This will probably involve defining ""spritual needs"" (is it not that clear) and showing that such things exist and how they can be filled. Annother tack you might take is to say that ""fulfilling spiritual needs"" means ""acknowledging a ""higher power"" of some sort, then show that systems that do require this, work better than otherwise identical systems that do not. A correlation here would help you, but as you point out this might just be demonstrating swapping one crutch for annother. (however, I do feel that religion is usually a better crutch than alchohol, as it is not usually poisonous! :) ) I hope with that clarification, my question will be answerable. I actually did know about the 12 step program, its the question of what it does, rather than what it tries to do, that makes a difference to me. --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. " 1903,0,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Lines: 91 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ... > ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ... >#>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so >#>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism? ># >#To the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the >#truth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to >#control events. > >I think you lose the right to talk about THE truth once you say values are >relative. Accuracy is a value judgement, too. It so happens I agree with >the substance of what you say below, but it's clear to me that at least >*some* values are objective. Truth is better than falsehood, peace is >better than war, education is better than ignorance. We know these things, >if we know anything. While I'll agree that these are generally held to be ""good things"", I question whether they come very close to being objective values. Especially considering that at one time or another each has been viewed as being undesirable. I doubt you could even come up with anything that could be said to be universally ""good"" or ""bad"". And when I referred to ""the truth"" I was using the term hypothetically, realizing full well that there may not even be such a thing. >#Assuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two >#relativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute >#truth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that >#produces the desired results. > >No they cannot, because they acknowledge up front that THE desired >results do not exist. That, after all, is the meaning of compromise. > >Plus some problems: If the relativists have no values in common, compromise >is impossible - what happens then? Who, if anyone, is right? What happens >if one relativist has a value ""Never compromise?"". A value ""plant bombs in >crowded shopping areas""? After all, if morals are relative, these values >cannot *meaningfully* be said to be incorrect. True enough. But they cannot be said to be anything more than personal morals. One thing notably lacking in most extremists is any sense of _personal_ accountability - the justification for any socially unacceptable behaviour is invariably some ""higher authority"" (aka, absolute moral truth). >#Assuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing >#objectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there >#is no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals, >#you must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees >#with you is amoral. > >Untrue. One can accept that one does not know the whole truth. Part >of the objective truth about morality may well be that flexibility is >better than rigidity, compromise is better than believing you have a lock >on morals, etc. In the same way, I can believe in an objective reality >without claiming to know the mechanism for quantum collapse, or who shot >JFK. An objective truth that says one cannot know the objective truth? Interesting notion. :-) Certainly one can have as one's morals a belief that compromise is good. But to compromise on the absolute truth is not something most people do very successfully. I suppose one could hold compromise as being an absolute moral, but then what happens when someone else insists on no compromise? How do you compromise on compromising? >#Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention, >#I'd say that compromise seems to be ""better"". > >And I would agree. But it's bloody to pointless to speak of it if it's >merely a matter of taste. Is your liking for peace any better founded >than someone else's liking for ice-cream? I'm looking for a way to say >""yes"" to that question, and relativism isn't it. Almost invariably when considering the relative value of one thing over another, be it morals or consequences, people only consider those aspects which justify a desired action or belief. In justifying a commitement to peace I might argue that it lets people live long & healthy and peaceful lives. While that much may well be true, it is incomplete in ignoring the benefits of war - killing off the most agressive member of society, trimming down the population, stimulating production. The equation is always more complex than presented. To characterize relative morals as merely following one's own conscience / desires is to unduly simplify it. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 1904,4,"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 Organization: Apple Computer Inc. Lines: 23 In article jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) writes: > I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg > simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the > local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that > you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even > if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4 > meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might > want to know..... There's absolutely no reason why differences in the DRAM access time _alone_ would cause an incompatibility. There would have to be another difference between the SIMMs for there to be a problem. I've often used memory of different speeds with no problems whatsoever. As long as it's as fast (or faster) than the minimum requirement you should be fine. Just out of curiosity, did you actually try this and see a problem, or were you told it wouldn't work and so never tried it? Also out of curiosity, do you know exactly who in Cupertino you dealer talked to (as I'd like to find out what they're basing this recommendation on). - Dale Adams Apple Computer, Inc. " 1905,6,"From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar) Subject: ==> NEW STEREO SYSTEM/COMPONENTS FOR SALE <== Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department Distribution: usa Lines: 29 10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950 for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu. Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer. Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty. Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer. Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections, 60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel Has all the standard features, and more. Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer. Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro. Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides. Has all standard features. Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu -Suraj " 1906,18,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts? Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: na Lines: 44 In <1993Apr5.172920.11779@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes: >In article bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >>In <1993Apr2.230831.18332@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes: >> >>>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes: >>># sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >>># >We already kill people (death penalty), and that costs even more >>># >money, so you could as well complain about this extremely barbaric >>># >way of justice. >>># >>># But the death penalty is right. >>># >>># And how expensive can an execution be? I mean, I think rope, cyanide >>># (for the gas), or the rifles and ammunition to arm firing squads are >>># affordable. >>># >>># Now, perhaps lethal injection might be expensive, in that case, let's >>># return to the more efficient methods employed in the past. >> >>>Oh, sure, the death *penalty* is fairly inexpensive, but the trial and >>>sentencing can run millions. >> >>That's assuming our attack puppy is willing to grant people trials in >>his new order. >And why the hell would I waste my time doing that?? >(to a convicted criminal getting a death sentence) >'Go directly to Hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200' >(judge laughing) Hey puppy, you are getting further around the bend every day. But I wouldn't miss your adolescent ravings for the world, everyone needs a good laugh now and then. :-) >Simon TOG " 1907,6,"From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P) Subject: MACINTOSH-PLUS FOR SALE Expires: 5/5/93 Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 16 ******************F O R S A L E C H E A P********************* Macintosh-plus +++++++++++++++ *includes: 2 - 3.5"" drives( 1 external) software: Word, Excel, Pascal, Intro package(Hypercard, Tour , etc) Leaving school in May, must sell!!!!!! A steal at $450 please reply e-mail -- |||||||||| |||||||||| |||||||||| |||||||||| jr0930@eve.albany.edu =||||||||||======================||||||||||= jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet |||||||||| ONLY THE STRONG |||||||||| " 1908,2,"From: adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (Adriene Nazaretian) Subject: Re: win nt Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut USA Lines: 22 In article <1pq66v$kkt@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Raymaker) says: > >Is anyone aware of existing ipx/netx software for WindowsNT or >is attachment to Netware a FUTURE release? >please respond to internet mail: raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu >thanks > I believe the beta version of the service is available via ftp on ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/nt called something like nwnt.zip There is an INDEX ascii file there, which lists the programs in that directory and what they do. unfortunately this beta will also disable netbeui and tcp/ip over your primary nic, so if you really want to run it, get yourself an extra nic and bind it to that. Otherwise wait for next release, like I am. Adriene " 1909,17,"From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Nntp-Posting-Host: c.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Lines: 39 In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >> >> BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like >> Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money >> or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered >> to help out Bosnia? > >Obviously, you really don't know. > >They *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME), Note the clause ""more forcibly"", above. My point is that they have made a few pro-forma, perfunctory remarks, and sent in a few C-130's and so forth, but it's clearly not something they're losing much sleep over. They're just going through the motions, while Moslems are being ""ethnically cleansed"" out of what used to be Yugoslavia. The US has been speaking out far more loudly than the Moslem nations in the UN and other world forums. >> Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement >> there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or >> (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites >> don't count? > >Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are >""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. Precisely. Humanitarian concerns were not the primary justification for US involvement in the Gulf - oil and geopolitics were. If the the Kuwaitis didn't have oil (and assuming Iraq still saw fit to invade them) I doubt you would have seen Operation Desert Storm. ---peter " 1910,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Fungus ""epidemic"" in CA? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Distribution: na Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 >In article steward@cup.portal.com (John Joseph Deltuvia) writes: > >>There was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort >>of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat >>widespread in California. Anybody hear anything about this one? > The only fungus I know of from California is Coccidiomycosis. I hadn't heard that it attacked bone. It attacks lung and if you are especially unlucky, the central nervous system. Nothing new about it. It's been around for years. THey call it ""valley fever"", since it is found in the inland valleys, not on the coast. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1911,3,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu's message of 18 Apr 1993 19:30:47 GMT Lines: 14 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article <1qsa97INNm7b@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: > richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes: > [Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] > >8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec. > If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE > come from? Well, some quick math on my part shows that an 8.3MHz bus, 16 bits wide, performing a transfer every two clock cycles will provide 8.3M bytes/sec. Someone said that it really takes 3 clock cycles to perform a transfer, so that reduces the transfer rate to 5.5MB/s, which is the commonly-used figure for ISA bus speed. However, I believe a two-clock transfer is possible (0 wait states). -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 1912,16,"From: ernie@ferris (Ernest Smith) Subject: Re: Handgun Restrictions Originator: ernie@ferris Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc. Distribution: usa >To: bbs.billand@tsoft.net >Subject: Re: Handgun Restrictions >Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns >In-Reply-To: >Organization: Cray Research, Inc. >Cc: >Bcc: > In article you write: >I would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns >(ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and >Oregon. Thanks. > -Bill > >-- >Bill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net) In Oregon your must get a background check (ie fingerprints, full slap), 15 day waiting period. That is unless you have a CCW then all requirments have been meet. Ernie Smith ernie@oregon.cray.com " 1913,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 31 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: > >>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>I am quite interested in it. >>Thanks! >>Darren Gibbons >>gibbonsa@sfu.ca > > This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. Craig > > Chintan Amin > llama@uiuc.edu > >-- >Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu >*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** " 1914,10,"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Matt Militzok please read! Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 13 In article , gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) wrote: > > > Sorry to everyone for wasting space. Matt, the other day you posted that > you were doing a mailing list of playoff stats. I lost your address. > Please put me on that list. Thanks. > > George Sorry again. I guess you need my address. gp2011@mailserver.bgsu.edu " 1915,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 72 In <1pkqe2INN54n@lynx.unm.edu> cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >[deleted, to get to the point:] >> >> Therefore, in a nutshell, my opinion is that pre-marital sex makes the >> likelihood of extra-marital sex more probable. Furthermore, >> in my opinion, extra-marital sex helps break down partnerships and leads >> to greater divorce rates. This in turn, in my opinion, creates trauma >> and a less stable environment for children, who are then, in my opinion, >> more likely to grow up with psychological problems such as depression, >> etc. And thus, sex outside of marriage is, in the long run, harmful to >> society. >I think that you are drawing links where there are none - having sex before >marriage has nothing to do with adultery once committed into marriage. The >issue as I see it is more of how committed you are to not foisting pain on >your spouse, and how confident you are about yourself. > In addition, what someone does within their marriage is their own >business, not mine, and not yours. I have witnessed strong relationships >that incorporate extra-marital sex. > I would agree with your assertion about children - children should not be witness to such confusing relationships - if adultery is stressful to >adults, which I assume it in general is, how can we expect children to >understand it? >> >> Where is the evidence for my opinions? At the moment, there are just >> generalities I can cite. For example, I read that in the 20th century, >> the percentage of youth (and people in general) who suffer from >> depression has been steadily climbing in Western societies (probably >> what I was reading referred particularly to the USA). Similarly, one >> can detect a trend towards greater occurrence of sex outside of marriage >> in this century in Western societies -- particularly with the ""sexual >> revolution"" of the 60's, but even before that I think (otherwise the >> ""sexual revolution"" of the 60's would not have been possible), >> particularly with the gradual weakening of Christianity and consequently >> Christian moral teachings against sex outside of marriage. I propose >> that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society >> (and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are >> linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot >> provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis >> seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it. >Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards >depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation >in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and >people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. >At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people >experience. My argument is mainly a proposal of what I think is a plausible argument against extra-marital sex -- one which I personally believe has some truth. My main purpose for posting it here is to show that a _plausible_ argument can be made against extra-marital sex. At this stage I am not saying that this particular viewpoint is proven or anything like that, just that it is plausible. To try to convince you all of this particular point of view, I would probably have to do a lot of work researching what has been done in this field, etc., in order to gather further evidence, which I simply do not have time to do now. Also note that I said that I think extra-marital sex is ""a prime cause"" (in my opinion) of the generally greater levels of psychological problems, especially depression, in Western societies. I am not saying it is ""the prime cause"" or ""the only cause"", just ""a prime cause"" -- i.e. one of the significant contributions to this trend. I think when you say you think my view is simplistic, you have forgotten this -- I admit that there are probably other factors, but I do think that extra-marital sex (and, IMO, subsequent destabilization of the family) is a significant factor in the rise in psychological problems like depression in Western society this century. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 1916,3,"From: im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Happy Campers USA Lines: 25 In rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) writes: [much discussion about switching 5.25"" and 3.5"" drives removed] Another (albeit strange) option is using a program like 800 II (available via anonymous FTP at many major sites), or FDFORMAT (also available via anonymous FTP), that allows you to format 5.25HD disks to 1.44Meg, or 3.5""HD disks to 1.2Meg (along with many MANY other formats!) so you can DISKCOPY (yes, the broken MeSsy-DOS DISKCOPY!) the 5.25"" disks onto 3.5"" disks or vice versa... I use this techniques with ""NON-DOS"" self-booting game disks on my old Tandy 1000, and it works... Another program named Teledisk (shareware--available on many major BBS's) will also make the weird format disks, provided you have 800 II or FDFormat installed.... Some disks that won't DISKCOPY properly can be readily Teledisk'd into the proper format... At least this is a software solution for a hardware/BIOS deficiency, eh? -- Joseph Zbiciak im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu [====Disclaimer--If you believe any of this, check your head!====] ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nuke the Whales! " 1917,12,"From: ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) Subject: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 27 Several years back one of the radar detectors manufacturers, in defiance to Virginia's law against radar detectors, passed out thousands of fake cardboard radar detectors at truck stops near the Virginia State lines. At that time there were no radar detector Detectors! I am not sure of the impact but I would imagine that enforcement of the law by visually sighting a radar detector became difficult - if not impossible! As I said earlier, efforts to throw out or eliminate the VA law against radar detectors has been in vain. In fact, effective Jan. 1, 1993, the fine for possession of a radar detector accessable to the driver of a vehicle in VA is now $250.00. I have noted an interesting anomality with my Alinco DR-100 2 meter ham transceiver.... It will make a *cheap* radar detector scream! I am not sure of the range, but it is obvious by the brake lights that it can be at least 50 feet at 50 watts! :-) ============================================================================== Randy T. Agee - WB4BZX | At some point, you probably pondered The P.O. Box 2120 - 20th floor | Meaning of Life, and you came up with a Virginia Department of Education | satisfactory answer, which has or has not Richmond, VA 23216-2120 | stood the test of time, or you shrugged Phone (804) 225-2669 | mightily, muttered ""Beats the heck out of ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | me,"" and ordered a cheeseburger. ============================================================================= " 1918,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: Talentwise Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr14.235849.15397@amc.com> richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) writes: >The bottom line is the Bruins are the better team this year. >Montreal fans have been screaming for years that their beloved Canadiens deserve >another cup. Since the removal of the French Canadien rule, they have been screaming >foul. Welcome to league parity, something the rest of the league has had for years. >Even if the Habs do beat Boston in the playoffs, they won't get by the Pens. >I do agree with you, Boston is the more taleneted team. > The French Canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for a few years...and really didn't have any substantial effect during that period. The Canadiens Stanley Cup achievements were earned on a level playing field. Gerald " 1919,3,"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: Re: I don't understand SI Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 54 MG>joohwee students (neural@iss.nus.sg) wrote: MG>> I went buying SIMMs recently, and the sales person told me that the MG>> are 9-chip SIMMs and 3-chip SIMMs, and one cannot use them interchan MG>> If you use one, you have to use all of the same type. don't believe everything you are told. I can tell you that mixing them between 'banks' ok, and I can't see why mixing in one bank is not unless they are of different speeds ( e.g. mixing of 60ns and 100ns SIMMs in one bank ). The two only differ in the type of chips it uses. Assuming that the SIMMS are 1Mx9 ( 9 bit wide ), here is the two equivalent configuration. The 3-chip SIMM uses two 4-bit wide 4Mbit (1M of 4-bit nibbles ) and one 1-bit wide 1Mbit chip ( for a total of 9-bit wide 1Mbyte ). The 9-bit SIMM uses nine 1-bit wide 1Mbit chips. These are equivalent because of the way that it is 'pinned' on the SIMM board. At the SIMM interface, they both act as 9-bit wide 1MByte SIMMS ( 2*4+1=9*1 ). [sorry if too techie for ya]. MG>> Similarly, one cannot plug in two 1MB SIMMs and one 4MB SIMMs to gi MG>> the system a total of 6 MEG. Why is that so ?? If my system supports MG>> of 8 MEG (it has 8 SIMM slots), can I plug in 4 4MB SIMMs to give my MG>> 16MB ?? That sounds correct. the problem is that if your computer takes 9-bit wide SIMMs, you can not mix different sizes in one bank. Why you ask? Simple, if you understand why there is banks. Assuming you have a 32-bit CPU ( 386DX or 486 ), the data bus (e.g. the mechanism to retrieve data from memory ) is 32-bits wide, so the computer expects to see 32 bits when it asks for data. To get that bandwidth ( 32-bit wide ), the motherboard links 4 1Mx9 ( one bit is not data, but parity, so I will ignore that in this simple explaination ) to get 32bits [ (9-1)*4=32 bits ]. That means that a SIMM in a bank stores only 1/4 of the 32 bit wide data. If you have a 16-bit bus, two 1Mx9 SIMMs are linked together to get 16-bit wide data, which is the reason why 286 banks are 2 SIMMs wide, and 32-bit banks are 4 SIMMs wide. If your computer required 1Mx36 ( e.g. 32-bit wide data with 4 parity bits, used in some PS/2s and ASTs ), you could upgrade by one SIMM at a time. Hope that this message is not over your head, but the answer to your question was not simple. I could of just said, 'because I said so.' -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 1920,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses (good grief!) Lines: 7 The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the true position of reason in this group. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 1921,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr22.204742.10671 Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 62 In hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: >In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au >(Enzo Liguori) writes: >> hideous vision of the future. Observers were >>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >>pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*. >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. >If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in >terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are, >selling every bit that promises to make money? Well, I guess I'm left wondering just who all the 'light fascists' think *they* are. Yes, I understand the issues. I don't even particularly care for the idea. But am I the only one that finds the sort of overreaction above just a *little* questionable? You must find things like the Moon *really* obnoxious in their pollution. A few questions for those frothing at the mouth to ask themselves: 1) How long is this thing supposed to stay up? Sounds like it would have a *huge* drag area, not a lot of mass, and be in a fairly low orbit. 2) Just what orbital parameters are we talking about here? What real impact are we talking about, really? How many optical astronomers are *really* going to be impacted? 3) Which is more important; adding a few extra days of 'seeing' for (very few) optical astronomers or getting the data the sensors are supposed to return along with the data for large inflatables (and the potential there for an inflatable space station)? The choice would seem to be one or the other, since the advertising is being used to help fund this thing. 4) If your answer to 3) above was ""the astronomers"", then feel free to come up with some other way to fund the (to my mind) more important research data that would be gained by this WITHOUT SPENDING ANY MORE OF MY MONEY TO DO IT. In other words, put up or shut up. >I guess we really >deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. ""Stupidity wins"". I >guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers. Probably so. I'm just not sure we agree about who the 'stupid' are. > Another depressed planetary citizen, > hoover Yeah, me too. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 1922,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo? Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 18 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, howp@skyfox () says: >I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo. I'm >considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US) >with 30,000 km on the odo. This will be my first bike. Any comments? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Because of this I cannot in good faith recommend a Seca Turbo. Power delivery is too uneven for a novice. The Official (tm) Dod newbie bike of choice would be more appropriate because the powerband is so wide and delivery is very smooth. Perfect for the beginner. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 1923,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Dir Yassin (was Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel) In-Reply-To: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU 's message of Tue, 13 Apr 93 14:15:18 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 85 In article <1993Apr13.141518.13900@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: CHECK MENAHEM BEGIN DAIRIES (published book) you'll find accounts of the massacres there including Deir Yassen, though with the numbers of massacred men, children and women are greatly minimized. As per request of Hasan: From _The Revolt_, by Menachem Begin, Dell Publishing, NY, 1977: [pp. 225-227] ""Apart from the military aspect, there is a moral aspect to the story of Dir Yassin. At that village, whose name was publicized throughout the world, both sides suffered heavy casualties. We had four killed and nearly forty wounded. The number of casualties was nearly forty percent of the total number of the attackers. The Arab troops suffered casualties neraly three times as heavy. The fighting was thus very severe. Yet the hostile propaganda, disseminated throughout the world, deliberately ignored the fact that the civilian population of Dir Yassin was actually given a warning by us before the battle began. One of our tenders carrying a loud speaker was stationed at the entrance to the village and it exhorted in Arabic all women, children and aged to leave their houses and to take shelter on the slopes of the hill. By giving this humane warning our fighters threw away the element of complete surprise, and thus increased their own risk in the ensuing battle. A substantial number of the inhabitants obeyed the warning and they were unhurt. A few did not leave their stone houses - perhaps because of the confusion. The fire of the enemy was murderous - to which the number of our casualties bears eloquent testimony. Our men were compelled to fight for every house; to overcome the enemy they used large numbers of hand grenades. And the civilians who had disregarded our warnings suffered inevitable casualties. ""The education which we gave our soldiers throughout the years of revolt was based on the observance of the traditional laws of war. We never broke them unless the enemy first did so and thus forced us, in accordance with the accepted custom of war, to apply reprisals. I am convinced, too, that our officers and men wished to avoid a single unnecessary casualty in the Dir Yassin battle. But those who throw stones of denunciation at the conquerors of Dir Yassin [1] would do well not to don the cloak of hypocrisy [2]. ""In connection with the capture of Dir Yassin the Jewish Agency found it necessary to send a letter of apology to Abdullah, whom Mr. Ben Gurion, at a moment of great political emotion, called 'the wise ruler who seeks the good of his people and this country.' The 'wise ruler,' whose mercenary forces demolished Gush Etzion and flung the bodies of its heroic defenders to birds of prey, replied with feudal superciliousness. He rejected the apology and replied that the Jews were all to blame and that he did not believe in the existence of 'dissidents.' Throughout the Arab world and the world at large a wave of lying propaganda was let loose about 'Jewish attrocities.' ""The enemy propaganda was designed to besmirch our name. In the result it helped us. Panic overwhelmed the Arabs of Eretz Israel. Kolonia village, which had previously repulsed every attack of the Haganah, was evacuated overnight and fell without further fighting. Beit-Iksa was also evacuated. These two places overlooked the main road; and their fall, together with the capture of Kastel by the Haganah, made it possible to keep open the road to Jerusalem. In the rest of the country, too, the Arabs began to flee in terror, even before they clashed with Jewish forces. Not what happened at Dir Yassin, but what was invented about Dir Yassin, helped to carve the way to our decisive victories on the battlefield. The legend of Dir Yassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberias and the conquest of Haifa."" [1] (A footnote from _The Revolt_, pp.226-7.) ""To counteract the loss of Dir yassin, a village of strategic importance, Arab headquarters at Ramallah broadcast a crude atrocity story, alleging a massacre by Irgun troops of women and children in the village. Certain Jewish officials, fearing the Irgun men as political rivals, seized upon this Arab gruel propaganda to smear the Irgun. An eminent Rabbi was induced to reprimand the Irgun before he had time to sift the truth. Out of evil, however, good came. This Arab propaganda spread a legend of terror amongst Arabs and Arab troops, who were seized with panic at the mention of Irgun soldiers. The legend was worth half a dozen battalions to the forces of Israel. The `Dir Yassin Massacre' lie is still propagated by Jew-haters all over the world."" [2] In reference to denunciation of Dir Yassin by fellow Jews. " 1924,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 18 On the subject of CS/CN/tear gas: when I received my initial introduction to tear gas, the first thing that came to mind was the location of the exit. If there had been anything in the way, corners to negotiate, doors to open, or any other obstacles to movement, I would have had a difficult time exiting the chamber. And any concentration of tear gas is hazardous to individuals with respiratory problems, and the wearing of soft contact lenses in a tear gas contaminated area is considered a REAL BAD IDEA. So hoping the BD's would peaceably come strolling out the door after being gassed is a bit unrealistic. If they could have found the door, having them staggering out retching wouldn't be too far fetched. Throw in the factor of 50-51 days of being under siege and subject to psychological warfare, and all bets on functional abilities are off. Anybody tried to get Amnesty International to jump in on this one? -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 1925,16,"Nntp-Posting-Host: holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli Subject: Change of name ?? Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway Lines: 23 Originator: thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to let's say 1000 people ???? This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no " 1926,14,"From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii Lines: 17 Phil G. Fraering writes: > Mark Brader writes: >> Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to >> me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American >> has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil >> Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. >> Same person? > No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to > is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory. You may change that to 100% certainty. But to clarify, Spacewatch is a University of Arizona project using a telescope of the Steward Observatory located on Kitt Peak. It is not associated with Kitt Peak National Observatory, other than sharing a mountain. " 1927,17,"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 10 Ok, someone is fundamentalist, someone else is not. What defines a fundamentalist (Not who!!!!!!!!!). That is an essential question which nobody has agreed upon an answer, at least to what literature / discussion / news i've seen.. -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu " 1928,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr21.181628.23279@news.columbia.edu> ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >It was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it >without notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible >enough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving >them to their fate. If a landlord sells an apartment building ""vacant"" to another landlord and fails to notify his tenants, they just might find themselves out on the street all of a sudden. The seller may be a scoundrel and a crook but this doesn't make the buyer a ""thief"", as Israelis are so often called here on tpm. >>It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the >>palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share >>your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from >>any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down? > >I don't know if others share this opinion. It is mine, >and I'm sure there are some who agree and some who don't >The way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances >beyond their control, in that since they didn't own the land, >they didn't have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the ""greater >Arab unity"" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews >(an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just >business. The Arabs that lived along the coast in Western Palestine, later to be called Israel, were shafted by their brother Arabs just as they've been shafted for decades since then by their Arab bretheren. Somehow, though, the Arab call has continued to blame Israel, not only for the Syrian landowner sell-out in Western Palestine (Israel) but even for the occupation of Eastern Palestine (Jordan) by the Hashemites. This is just more of refusing to take blame for one's own actions. >>infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds >>to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court. If your job was eliminated in a corporate takeover, you could probably go to court, too. You'd probably lose, though. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 1929,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800 Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 15 lecates@bach.udel.edu (Roy LeCates) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.015844.9491@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes: >>> Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800 >>> using interanl video? Is this even possible? >> >>It's most certainly possible. >Is it possible to use this resolution on the Apple 16"" monitor? >If so, I could probably rig a connector with the proper pins. Nope. The Apple 16"" monitor does not support multiple resolutions. It is not a multi-synching monitor. -Hades " 1930,17,"From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) Subject: PBS Frontline: Iran and the bomb Nntp-Posting-Host: ic17.ee.umanitoba.ca Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada Lines: 75 I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate points. 1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows: - It was alleged that:"" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. ""! These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology in Iran after revolution. -Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons. - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million dead left from the war. - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: "" It hurts me to see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda."" The translator says: "" It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly research.""! 2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in near future and its current deficit in electrical power. 3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones in scientific and industrial efforts. 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from Iran's different sites. They say: ""We are not sure if the places visited by IAEA are the real ones or not"" !, or "" We can not rely on IAEA's reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear activities before"" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build nuclear weapons! 5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs, William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking from the absolute knowledge! I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations. Mohammad [*] International Atomic Energy Agency " 1931,1,"From: rschmitt@shearson.com (Robert Schmitt) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library F Reply-To: rschmitt@shearson.com Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Lines: 9 What hardware do plan to run on? Workstation or PC? Cost level? Run-time licensing needs? Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert A. Schmitt | Applied Derivatives Technology | Lehman Brothers rschmitt@shearson.com " 1932,12,"From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) Subject: 2 level brightness Xmas light set (for Easter? Keywords: xmas Organization: AT&T Lines: 54 Yes, I know it's nowhere near Christmas time, but I'm gonna loose Net access in a few days (maybe a week or 2 if I'm lucky), and wanted to post this for interested people to save 'till Xmas. :-( Note: Bell Labs is a good place IF you have a PhD and a good boss, I have neither. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Xmas light set with 2 levels of brightness Another version of a variable brightness Xmas light set: This set starts with a 2 blinker 35 bulb string. DIAGRAM: orginal 2 way set 120v---+--b-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--! !---b-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-! ! 120rtn_____________________! modified set for 2 level brightness: string 1 120v---------*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--! \_10K_______*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-! 5w ! string 2 ! b ________________! 120v rtn__!___! ^ Note: no mods to wiring to the right of this point. Only one blinker is used. Note that the blinker would not have as much current thru it as the string 1 bulbs, because of the second string of bulbs in parallel with it. That's why the use of the 10K 5W resistor here to add extra current thru the blinker to make up for the current shunted thru the second string while the blinker is glowing and the second string is not glowing. When the blinker goes open, this resistor has only a slight effect on the brightness of the strings, s1 slightly dimmer, s2 slightly brighter. Or use a 3W 120v bulb in place of the 10K resistor if you can get one. Caution, do not replace with a standard C9 bulb, as these draw too much current and burn out the blinker. C9 = approx 7W. What you'll see when it's working: powerup, string 1 will light at full brightness, and b will be lit, bypassing most of the current from the second string, making them not light. b will open, placing both strings in series, making the string that was out to glow at a low brightness, and the other string that was on before to glow at reduced brightness. Be sure to wire and insulate the splices, resistor leads, and cut wires in a safe manner! " 1933,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 55 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Jason Kratz writing: ... JK>If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why JK>shouldn't they have done something? What possible use would a religious cult JK>have for a rocket launcher? Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of JK>Rights? ... This is taken a little out of context and I'm not flaming Jason...it's just that this was the proverbial straw.... I grow a little weary of the allegations (here, the media, people on the street) that the BD's had all these ""horrible illegal weapons and other paraphenalia of destruction capable of blowing tanks 50 feet into the air..."" and then, without missing a beat, discuss how the BD's willfully commited mass suicide, or killed their own less fanatical and *then* commited mass suicide, etc., etc. If the BD's had all these things and intended to ""blow up their abode, blow up Waco, blow up the entire country, or whatever suits your fancy, what happened to all the violence they were supposed to unleash? Why wouldn't they have ""gone out in the proverbial blaze of glory"" and ""come out shooting"" with an attitude of ""let's take as many of those dogs as possible with us""? Instead, they seemed to have preferred death to whatever they thought was in store for them at the government's hands. It's totally immaterial whether they were all crazy, all fanatics, all followers of the antichrist, haters of the government, practicers of weird lifestyles, or whatever...they must have felt that they were being pressured into renouncing their beliefs, however how strange or lunatic those beliefs might appear to ""you and me"". There is much precedent for such devotion to cause. My conclusion at this point is that the ""authorities"" seriously misread their danger to society (else why did the BD's not do as suggested above) and/or chose this incident to make some heinous point or satisfy some internal agenda, up to and including AG J. Renbo using this as an opportunity to assert her manhood. Some people really do believe it is better to die than be subjected to what they perceive as the godless government. When I force myself to not judge others by my own personal standards and beliefs, I can almost admire their stand. I surely believe in the Constitution but I don't know that I have such strength of conviction as evidenced by the BD's. --- . OLX 2.2 . Obesa non cantatis! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 1934,8,"From: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx) Subject: Re: Cobra Locks Reply-To: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 105 You may find it useful. (This is a repost. The original sender is at the bottom.) -------------------cut here-------------------------------------------------- Article 39994 of rec.motorcycles: Path: scrumpy!bnrgate!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.ute exas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!eff!ibmpc cug!pipex!unipalm!uknet!cf-cm!cybaswan!eeharvey From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey) Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ? Message-ID: <861@cybaswan.UUCP> Date: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT References: <1992Jul14.165538.9789@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Lines: 84 These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test: BJ Bottle jack CD Cutting disc BC Bolt croppers GAS Gas flame The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons. Type Weight BJ CD BC GAS Total Price (kg) (sec) (sec) (sec) (sec) (sec) (Pounds) ======================================================================== ========= 3-arm Folding .8 53 5 13 18 89 26 Cyclelok bar Abus Steel-o- Cable 1.4 103 4 20 26 153 54 flex Oxford Cable 2.0 360 4 32 82 478 38 Revolver Abus Diskus Chain 2.8 600 7 40 26 675 77 6-arm Folding 1.8 44 10 600 22 676 51 Cyclelok bar Abus Extra U-lock 1.2 600 10 120 52 782 44 Cobra Cable 6.0(!) 382 10 600 22 1014 150 (6ft) Abus closed Chain 4.0 600 11 600 33 1244 100 shackle Kryptonite U-lock 2.5 600 22 600 27 1249 100 K10 Oxford U-lock 2.0 600 7 600 49 1256 38 Magnum Disclock Disc .7 n/a 44 n/a 38 1282 43 lock Abus 58HB U-lock 2.5 600 26 600 64 1290 100 Mini Block Disc .65 n/a 51 n/a 84 1335 50 lock ======================================================================== ========= Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8 weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin. Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article is: Michael Brandon Ltd, 15/17 Oliver Crescent, Hawick, Roxburgh TD9 9BJ. Tel. 0450 73333 The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required. Don't lose it Ian -- _______________________________________________________________________ Ian Harvey, University College Swansea Too old to rock'n'roll eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr Too young to die '79 GS750E " 1935,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 16 In article <7020.Apr2207.05.3993@silverton.berkeley.edu>, djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes: > In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > > And key size is one of the things that can be > > verified externally. > > Gee. Say they feed the 80-bit key through Snefru-8 and take the first 60 > bits of the result, then use those 60 bits as the real key. How do you > figure out that each key is one of 2^20 ``equal'' keys? You can try a > birthday attack, but if the key can be changed only once a second then > you will need several lifetimes to get reliable statistics. You're right, and I retract the suggestion. Still, I wonder. That there are only 60 bits of key information should, in principle, be detectable. Maybe some variant of the tests Rivest et al. did to demonstrate that DES was probably not a group? It should make an interesting paper -- a black-box analysis of a cryptosystem. " 1936,3,"From: mty015@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Colin Paterson) Subject: Sound Blaster MIDI Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: The society for the terminally hard of thinking Lines: 30 Hi, I'm currently in the process of writing a number of PD programs for the sound blaster. The first of which is a CMF voice editor which is hopefully going to be available soon (as soon as I can get it to an FTP site). Anyway the next stage is to use the midi port to enter music and play the FM synth remotely. The problem is that I have little or no info on the SB midi port. I have tried using the Sound blaster freedom project routines, however this just results in the port locking after a couple of accesses and loss the of note velocity data byte. I am using Turbo C and would be grateful for any info or source fragments may help. When I was in Berlin this summer I saw a book which seemed to have all this information, but my German is poor to say the least, if anyone has this book could they please mail me. My second request for help concerns standard file formats (how can a file format be standard if you keep it secret ?) I need to know the file format for instrument bank files *.BNK and Roland music files *.ROL. Finally does anyone have a source for displaying PCX or GIF files to EGA or VGA monitors. Please Help, You know it makes sense. Colin " 1937,14,"From: Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Lines: 25 Reply address: mark.prado@permanet.org > From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) > > In article <1993Apr19.230236.18227@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, > daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) writes: > > |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration > confernce> |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the > auspices of AIAA. > > Thanks for typing that in, Steven. > > I hope you decide to go, Pat. The Net can use some eyes > and ears there... I plan to go. It's about 30 minutes away from my home. I can report on some of it (from my perspective ...) Anyone else on sci.space going to be there? If so, send me netmail. Maybe we can plan to cross paths briefly... I'll maintain a list of who's going. mark.prado@permanet.org * Origin: Just send it to bill.clinton@permanet.org (1:109/349.2) " 1938,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: WC: Scores and standings, April 18 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 71 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se 1993 World Championships in Germany: ==================================== Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund) -------------------------- ---------------------------- GP W T L GF-GA P GP W T L GF-GA P Sweden 1 1 0 0 1-0 2 Germany 1 1 0 0 6-0 2 Italy 1 0 1 0 2-2 1 Czech republic 1 0 1 0 1-1 1 Russia 1 0 1 0 2-2 1 USA 1 0 1 0 1-1 1 Canada 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 Finland 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 Switzerland 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 France 0 0 0 0 0-0 0 Austria 1 0 0 1 0-1 0 Norway 1 0 0 1 0-6 0 April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6 Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1 April 19: Canada - Switzerland 15:30 Russia - Austria Finland - France 20:00 April 20: Sweden - Canada Czech republic - Germany 15:30 Switzerland - Italy Finland - USA 20:00 April 21: Germany - France 15:30 Italy - Sweden Czech republic - Norway 20:00 April 22: Switzerland - Russia USA - France 15:30 Austria - Canada Norway - Finland 20:00 April 23: Switzerland - Austria Germany - Finland 20:00 April 24: Russia - Sweden Czech republic - France 15:30 Canada - Italy USA - Norway 20:00 April 25: Sweden - Switzerland Finland- Czech republic 15:30 Russia - Canada Germany - USA 20:00 April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00 PLAYOFFS: ========= April 27: Quarterfinals A #2 - B #3 15:30 A #3 - B #2 20:00 April 28: Quarterfinals A #1 - B #4 15:30 A #4 - B #1 20:00 April 29: Relegation A #5 - B #6 15:30 A #6 - B #5 20:00 April 30: Semifinals A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30 A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00 May 1: Relegation 14:30 Bronze medal game 19:00 May 2: FINAL 15:00 -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 1939,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Russian Email Contacts. Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Does anyone have any Russian Contacts (Space or other) or contacts in the old USSR/SU or Eastern Europe? Post them here so we all can talk to them and ask questions.. I think the cost of email is high, so we would have to keep the content to specific topics and such.. Basically if we want to save Russia and such, then we need to make contacts, contacts are a form of info, so lets get informing. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Alive in Nome, Alaska (once called Russian America). " 1940,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Chrysler New Yorker LHS (was Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 Warren Brown, the Washington Post's auto writer was the first journalist to get his hands on the New Yorker. If you'd like his impressions of it his review appeared in Friday's paper, in the ""Weekend"" section. He is not your traditional auto writer... Enjoy. " 1941,3,"From: wyatt@chem.nrl.navy.mil (JRW) Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor Lines: 39 Organization: NRL In article <1qjfa0INN6g5@titan.ucs.umass.edu> dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) writes: >From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) >Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor >Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:01:20 -0400 >In article <1qhppp$gha@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes: >>Basically I'm looking for a 15"" SVGA (1024x768) non-interlaced >>monitor. The NEC 4FG is the one most of the computer mags use as >>their standard, and from what I've seen and heard it looks pretty >>good, but it's a bit expensive (700 bucks is the best deal I've seen). >>So I thought perhaps I might find something as good for less. Any >>recommendations? I also thought about the NEC 3FGx, which has the >>same specs as the 4FG except for the scan frequency, which is more >>limited; anybody have any comments on this one? Would it work with > >I believe that NEC is replacing the 4FG and 3FGx with 4FGe and 3FGe >models, reportedly being released at the end of this month. I'm >waiting for a 4FGe, the main difference being a 3 year warranty and >higher refresh rates at the higher resolutions. It sounded from a PC >Magazine note that the 3FGe was being boosted in a number of ways. >Call the NEC 800 number and have them send you info. > > >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| >|Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ ____ Fax: 413/545-0996| > > > > I have been using a NEC 3FGx for several months now. Several others here also have this monitor. We have had no problems. Personally I would spend extra money for this monitor and sacrifice other features on a PC such as 33 MHz viz 50 Mhz. Based on the comments of others you might want to view the 3FGX vs the 4 series on a PC running windows at 1024x768. The refresh rate appears ok for me, but you might feel differently. Finally speaking of spending money, with the size of today's files, etc, a tape backup is certainly worth $200-$300. Recently I set up a friend's PC 50Mhz and VESA local bus. The redraw time for a graphics program was only a factor of 2 faster which I doubt warrants the extra cost. " 1942,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: New Alarm Proposal Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.190652.19777@slcs.slb.com>, dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.co m (Dan Day) writes: >In article <1qeee6$o7s@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) w rites: >> >>An audible alarm is just an annoyance -- to either a professional or >>amateur. NOBODY LISTENS TO AUDIBLE ALARMS ANYMORE. The thieves know > >This is why I think there ought to be a heavy fine on false alarms. >I'm really honked off about the fact that due to all the >cars with cruddy alarms crying ""wolf"", no one will pay any attention >to my car if its alarm ever goes off for real. > > Depends on your area, in the city, nobody thinks about it...but at a mall or something near the suburbs, people do at least glance over. Remember, an alarm is only a deterent, not a prevention. If a thief sees two cars he ""likes"", one has an alarm and the other doesn't, he's obviously going to skip the alarmed car and avoid the hassle. There is a way around every alarm, but at least you've got SOMETHING on your side..... Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- " 1943,6,"Subject: items for sale [must sell] From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 62 Items for sale..... This package was bought throught a award give-away company. I attempted to cancel my order before I received the package, but I was too late and the company refused to take the package back for refund. I know the truth which I would never get my $697 back, but I wish to get my money back as close as possible. Here is the describtion of the package... Nishika 3D camera It takes very good picture, never been opended or used. It came with wide angle flesh, carring case, film, and a instruction video. It has four lens and created a 3D effect on a regular 35mm film. Jewelry It came with the package as additional gift. Bahama vacation voucher The voucher is good for two RT airfare to Freeport. The users get a special hotel rate of $27 per-person per-night. Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is _not_ included. Las Vegas, Reno, Orlando The voucher provides one RT airfare, and hotel accomodation for 3 days/ 2 nights. Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is not included. The voucher is good for all 3 locations, but you can't travel to all 3 places at once. Cancun, Mexico The voucher provides one RT airfare, and hotel accomodation for 3 days / 2 nights. Meals and ground transfer, hotel tax is not included as usual. I paid $697 for the whole package. So try not to be cold-blooded when you make your offer. Details would be provided by request. I do wish to sell the whole package at once. So if you are just looking for the vacation vouchers, I don't care if you sell the camera to other for a higher pric If you are interested in the camera, you could treat the vacation vouchers as gift. If you receive a letter in your mail box which says that you are selected to be part of the sweeptake and you have at least one out of five awards. Trust me, you would get the exactly the same package as I did. There is only one award which will be given away. So don't bother even to call them back, if you are really interested, you could get it from me for a cheaper price. And you could receive the package within a week ( I waited three months to get my first and final packages). Also, they would ask for your credit card number and you have to pay for the interest to the credit card company. So why spend more than you should when you could get them from me for a cheaper price. If you are interested, please reply to me as soon as posible. I really wish to get this over with. Make me an offer, if I am confortable with your offer, I would send the package by U.P.S. the next day morning. More details could be given if you wish. Please contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu Douglas Kou Hiram College e-mail address--- koutd@hirama.hiram.edu " 1944,19,"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Sun Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >#In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank >#O'Dwyer) wrote: >#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values. >#But where do those objective values come from? How can we measure them? >#What mediated thair interaction with the real world, a moralon? Or a scalar >#valuino field? >Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, >as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then >science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. >Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said >to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions? >I don't. I think that you are changing the meaning of ""values"" here. Perhaps it is time to backtrack and take a look at the word. value n. 1. A fair equivalent or return for something, such as goods or service. 2. Monetary or material worth. 3. Worth as measured in usefulness or importance; merit. 4. A principle, standard, or quality considered inherently worthwhile or desirable. 5. Precise meaning, as of a word. 6. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity. 7. Mus. The relative duratation of a tone or rest. 8. The relative darkness or lightness of a color. 9. The distinctive quality of a speech or speech sound. In context of a moral system, definition four seems to fit best. In terms of scientific usage, definitions six or eight might apply. Note that these definitions do not mean the same thing. In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a reach. Science has its basis in observable fact. Even the usages of the word ""value"" above do not denote observable fact, but rather a standard of measurement. I would conclude that science does not have its basis in values, and so your statement above fails. In fact, if one concludes that a scientific set of measurements (values) are based on systems derived from observation, then it must follow that in a scientific context, there is no such thing as there is no such thing as ""objective values."" Back to the present. This has nothing to do with a moral system anyhow. Just because the word ""values"" is used in both contexts does not mean that there is a relationship between the two contexts. If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering the meaning of the word ""objective"" I doubt that this will ever happen. So, back to the original question: And objective morality is.....? If you can provide an objective foundation for ""morality"" then that will be a good beginning. >-- >Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' >odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon eric " 1945,14,"Subject: help for school From: mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 14 I am a newbie to the net, and I am trying to get some information for a paper I am working on to get back into college. If anyone can send me data on Solar coronal holes and recurrant aurora for the past thirty years it would be a big help. Or, if you have information on more esoteric things like Telluric current, surge bafflers power companies use, or other effects sporatic aurora have on the Earth's magnetic field, I'd be eternally gratefull. Please send anything interesting to me at Marty Crandall-Grela Van Vleck Observatory Wesleyan University Middletown,Ct 06487 or e-mail it to me at mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu Thank-you in advance, Marty " 1946,10,"From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL playoff results, 4/16 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 96 AHL CALDER CUP PLAYOFF GAME(S) PLAYED ON 4/16 Providence 3 SPRINGFIELD 2 (OT) Baltimore 4 BINGHAMTON 3 Utica 3 ROCHESTER 2 (OT) Cape Breton 5 FREDERICTON 2 GAME(S) SCHEDULED FOR 4/17 Capital District at Adirondack Providence at Springfield Baltimore at Binghamton Utica at Rochester Moncton vs St John's at Halifax SERIES STATI (plural of status? :) Adirondack leads CDI, 1-0 Springfield leads Providence, 2-1 Baltimore leads Binghamton 1-0 Utica leads Rochester, 1-0 St John's leads Moncton, 1-0 Cape Breton tied w/Fredericton, 1-1 ================================================= ================================================= FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS home team in CAPS *=if necesary FIRST ROUND Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2 Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4 Gm 3: Providence 3 SPRINGFIELD 2 Gm 4: 4/17 Providence at Springfield Gm 5: 4/22 Springfield at Providence Gm 6: 4/24 Providence at Springfield * Gm 7: 4/27 Springfield at Providence * CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2 Gm 2: 4/17 CDI at Adirondack Gm 3: 4/18 Adirondack at CDI Gm 4: 4/21 Adirondack at CDI Gm 5: 4/23 CDI at Adirondack * Gm 6: 4/24 Adirondack at CDI * Gm 7: 4/26 CDI at Adirondack * Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers Gm 1: Baltimore 4 BINGHAMTON 3 Gm 2: 4/17 Baltimore at Binghamton Gm 3: 4/23 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton * Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore * Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton * Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans Gm 1: Utica 3 Rochester 2 (OT) Gm 2: 4/17 Utica at Rochester Gm 3: 4/20 Rochester at Utica Gm 4: 4/22 Rochester at Utica Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester * Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica * Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester * Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs Gm 1: St John's 4 Moncton 2 Gm 2: 4/17 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax Gm 3: 4/21 St John's at Moncton Gm 4: 4/23 St John's at Moncton Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax * Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton * Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax * Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens Gm 1: FREDERICTON 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT) Gm 2: Cape Breton 5 FREDERICTON 2 Gm 3: 4/20 Fredericton at Cape Breton Gm 4: 4/22 Fredericton at Cape Breton Gm 5: 4/24 Cape Breton at Fredericton Gm 6: 4/26 Fredericton at Cape Breton * Gm 7: 4/28 Cape Breton at Fredericton * ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 1947,2,"From: kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) Subject: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu Hi, I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper. I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. I can't see it having trouble keeping up. His pcplus for dos works great, but the windows just seems to always screw up....Is this common and is there a fix? Or is something just screwed with his machine? Kent " 1948,4,"From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen) Subject: Re: comparative SCSI performance Originator: peterco@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 Kurt Tiedtke (ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu) wrote: : Could someone direct me to information on SCSI performance for each Mac? : (Max throughput, etc.) Max thruput on a Centris or Quadra is about 3.3 MB/sec. Max thruput on IIci or IIfx or equivalent is about 1.4 MB/Sec Max thruput on slower machines is slower. -- +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Peter A. Cohen | No, I don't reflect my employer's opinions. | | peterco@eff.org | Heck! My employer doesn't even know I'm here! | +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ " 1949,13,"From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Subject: Re: Oily skin - problem? Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Distribution: world Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: > I have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes >oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How >can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out >there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become >oily in such a short time. I don't think that's a problem. My face is quite oily too. I had a moderate acne problem for many years. I then found that if I vigorously scrub my face with a nail brush and soap (Irish Spring) twice a day the acne was not a problem. I can still leave a pretty health nose print on a mirror after 45 min (don't ask ;->) but acne is not a real problem anymore. [J.F.] " 1950,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 24 In article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes: >In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >> >> >> +/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that >> takes into account defensive play. It isn't a measure of defensive >> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play. > > If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats > should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect > of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation > tools!! IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated because their point totals are inflated by power play points. +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can inflate his totals. Gregmeister " 1951,11,"From: purinton@toyon-next.Stanford.EDU (Joshua Jordan Purinton) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Stanford University Lines: 22 In article <1r3hgqINNdaa@uwm.edu> Rick Miller writes: >jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes: >>marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes: >>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. > >Or, the more *likely* explanation is that Marc is spoofing. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I sincerely doubt that Denning and crew are keen enough to react that >quickly, and I doubt they'd want to cripple their SMTP server t'boot. > Marc is not spoofing. Try it yourself. At least, the commands work exactly as he described (i.e. they do not work.) - Josh. -- No pattern, content or thing is the being who looks out from each pair of eyes. And only that is important. - E. T. Gendlin " 1952,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Assistance to Palest.people Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500359:000:3036 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 15:00:00 1993 Lines: 78 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Assistance to Palest.people U.N. General Assembly Resolution 46/201 of 20 December 1991 ASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE --------------------------------------------- The General Assembly Recalling its resolution 45/183 of 21 December 1990 Taking into account the intifadah of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory against the Israeli occupation, including Israeli economic and social policies and practices, Rejecting Israeli restrictions on external economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory, Concerned about the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a result of the Gulf crisis, Aware of the increasing need to provide economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people, Affirming that the Palestinian people cannot develop their national economy as long as the Israeli occupation persists, 1. Takes note of the report of the Secretary-General on assistance to the Palestinian people; 2. Expresses its appreciation to the States, United Nations bodies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations that have provided assistance to the Palestinian people, 3. Requests the international community, the United Nations system and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations to sustain and increase their assistance to the Palestinian people, in close cooperation with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), taking in account the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a result of the Gulf crisis; 4. Calls for treatment on a transit basis of Palestinian exports and imports passing through neighbouring ports and points of exit and entry; 5. Also calls for the granting of trade concessions and concrete preferential measures for Palestinian exports on the basis of Palestinian certificates of origin; 6. Further calls for the immediate lifting of Israeli restrictions and obstacles hindering the implementation of assistance projects by the United Nations Development Programme, other United Nations bodies and others providing economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory; 7. Reiterates its call for the implementation of development projects in the occupied Palestinian territory, including the projects mentioned in its resolution 39/223 of 18 December 1984; 8. Calls for facilitation of the establishment of Palestinian development banks in the occupied Palestinian territory, with a view to promoting investment, production, employment and income therein; 9. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General The General Assembly at its 47th session, through the Economic and Social Council, on the progress made in the implementation of the present resolution. ----------------------------------------------- In favour 137 countries (Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Africa, South America, Central America and Asia) Against: United States and Israel Abstaining: None " 1953,1,"From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Subject: VISION-3D site and email unavailable Organization: Boeing Lines: 21 I used the information provided in the recent resource listings and tried to ftp to: ccu1.aukland.ac.nz [130.216.1.5]: ftp/mac/architec - *VISION-3D facet and received an 'unknown host' message. mail to Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz) bounces with basically the same problem. Where'd he go???? Rick -- Rick Pavek | Never ask a droid to outdo its program. kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com | Seattle, WA | It wastes your time | and annoys the droid. " 1954,13,"From: dfitts@carson.u.washington.edu (Douglas Fitts) Subject: Re: RA treatment question Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu eulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) writes: >I'm assuming that you mean Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA). I've never heard >of the ""cold treatment"" you mentioned. I can't imagine how it would >work, since most of us who have Rh.Arthr./RA seem to have more problems >in cold weather than in warm weather. Would be interested to hear more! >Z >Z No, obviously talking about Research Assistants. I favor a high protein, low fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours of sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise mixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with lowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale and free pretzels. Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed has more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm. Doug Fitts dfitts@u.washington.edu " 1955,8,"From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Icom Simulations Lines: 27 In article craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes: > shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: > > No anyone who is a ""true"" rider with the real riding > attitude will offer a wave, weather they are on a Harley > or on a Honda or some other bike, inless they have a > serious case of my bike is better than your and you're > too low to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case > with most of the harley riders out here where I am, > however I still give them a wave, and ride secure in the > knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are. ^^^^^^ perSOB, I kinda like that Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley. Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each other, from what I can tell. -- Michael Manning mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.) `92 FLSTF FatBoy `92 Ducati 900SS " 1956,5,"From: david@swat (David E. Smyth) Subject: Re: MS Windows VS Motif (GUI design differences), was Re: Future of Unix Nntp-Posting-Host: swat Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA) Distribution: usa Lines: 17 Ik Su Yoo writes: > >Another important difference is that MSW doesn't have any window that >handle sophisticated geometry management (like XmForm). Is this an advantage to MS Windows or to Xt? I used to think it was a big advantage for Xt, but I am not at all sure anymore... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Smyth david@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Senior Software Engineer, (818)306-6463 (temp! do NOT use v-mail) X and Object Guru. tempory office: 525/B70 Jet Propulsion Lab, M/S 525-3660 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the earliest possible date you can't prove it won't be done by? - Tom DeMarco ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 1957,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the |> >""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. |> |> That's right. Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though. Perhaps |> our goal is one of self-actualization. Humans have ""gone somewhat beyond"" what, exactly? In one thread you're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to survive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient being can ""definitely"" say what is right and what is wrong. So what does this omniscient being use for a criterion? The long- term survival of the human species, or what? How does omniscient map into ""definitely"" being able to assign ""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions? |> |> >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long |> >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some |> >other species, either terrestrial or alien. |> |> Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This |> was not part of the original premise. Well, your ""original premises"" have a habit of changing over time, so perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the difference is between an omniscient being be able to assign ""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions, and telling us the result, is. |> |> >Does that make it moral to do so? |> |> Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it |> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't |> adversely affect your own, I guess). I'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to be implemented by this omniscient being that can ""definitely"" assign ""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions. You tell us what type of morality that is. jon. " 1958,4,"From: hurh@fnal.fnal.gov (Patrick Hurh) Subject: Cache Card and Optimum Memory Settings? Organization: fnal Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: phurh.fnal.gov Here's a question that may be simple enough to answer, but has stumped myself and a few others: What does an external RAM cache card do for you if you already have a large cache set (through control panel) in your SIMMs? EX: I have a Mac IIci with 20 meg RAM, an external video card (so I don't rob my SIMM's), and the default Apple cache card (I believe this is 32K?). Say I have my cache set at 2 MEG, what good does a measly 32K do me on the cache card? Could it actually slow things down by dividing the cache between the card and the SIMM's? Or does it still speed things up by providing a 'secondary staging' area for data normally passed directly into the SIMM RAM cache? I'm confused because it seems like cache cards are so low in memory to really do any good compared to what you can set yourself. Yet, Daystar FastCache has numbers which show around a 30% performance boost on some operations. Are the chips on the cache card simply faster than most SIMM accesses? Please help, I'm trying to find the optimum memory settings for the IIci system described in the EX above. --patrick hurh@fnal.fnal.gov " 1959,0,"Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu) snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: ) )That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother )raised the child. ) )One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", )because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. )Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my )point. ) )But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men )stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by )feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact )that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but )mentally also. ) [...] )Your logic. I didn't say americans were the cause of worlds problems, I )said atheists. ) [...] )Becuase they have no code of ethics to follow, which means that atheists )can do whatever they want which they feel is right. Something totally )based on their feelings and those feelings cloud their rational )thinking. ) [...] )Yeah. I didn't say that all atheists are bad, but that they could be )bad or good, with nothing to define bad or good. ) Awright! Bobby's back, in all of his shit-for-brains glory. Just when I thought he'd turned the corner of progress, his Thorazine prescription runs out. I'd put him in my kill file, but man, this is good stuff. I wish I had his staying power. Fortunately, I learned not to take him too seriously long,long,long ago. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 1960,15,"From: rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Reply-To: rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 27 In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says: >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have >publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and >are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective >qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. I have discussed this with my girlfriend often. I consider myself married, though legally I am not. Neither of us have been with other people sexually, although we have been with each other. We did not have sexual relations until we decided to marry eventually. For financial and distance reasons, we will not be legally married for another year and a half. Until then, I consider myself married for life in God's eyes. I have faith that we have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be full of joy when we marry in a church. First, however, we must find a church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to find a new church community). Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are married and are bound by that commitment. -- -Rick Szanto -Polk Speakers Rock -Computer Engineer -Mac's Suck (Nothing Personal) -Case Western -Zeta Psi Rules -Reserve University " 1961,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Nuclear/heavy weapons and the Militia [Long] Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 194 fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: Down to 170-some odd lines. We must be making progress! On an ironic note, where I deleted lines Emacs continually gave me the message ""Garbage collecting... Done."" Think it's trying to tell me something? >viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >And thank you: It's a great change from the same tired old debates... You lurkers can join in at any time, you know! Ahhh.. Talk.politics.guns -- the kindler, gentler newsgroup. Who would have thought? >No, not exactly: The only reason for this sort of restriction is >the possible endangerment of others. A poorly maintained >rifle is dangerous, but only to the user; since it doesn't >endanger others, there is no justification for such restrictions. I remind you of shrapnel. I consider 5' a reasonable space limitation, but make no mistake a gun blowing up is a hazard to those nearby, say in the next lane at the range. My point was at what distance, or level of threat, we draw the line. Is it the endangerment of others, so we do a 5' restriction, or the possibility of being shot, hence we draw a 1.5 mile restriction, or a nuke and draw a 5 mile restriction? To me they al suffer from the fundamental flaw that they restrict based upon the instrument rather than placing the responsibility for usage squarely upon the shoulders of the user. Perhaps Sen. Metzenbaum declaring the Barrett Light Fifty an assault rifle has made this more apparent to me, since the Barrett has only range and acurracy going for it. >They have determined that their lives are worth the effort to >protect their homes and families. Using nuclear weapons close >to home will not accomplish this. I disagree, on the grounds that a house can be rebuilt much more easily than my family once I have died. I assume that word would get to the citizens that such an attack was planned. If this is not the case, the tactical and strategic implications change quite a bit. Personally, my home is worth, say, twenty Martians intent on taking over the world. My family? All of them. The balancing act here is hard to judge sitting at my desk. >There is, however, another problem: In any case of civil war, >the strength of the militias fighting on each side should >reflect the popular will. If the public is split 67% versus >33%, then the minorities' militias should be at a 2:1 disadvantage. >Such a need for popular support would, hopefully, prevent >insurrections unless the people really were behind the rebels. >But heavy weapons owned by a small fraction of the militia >could distort this: What if the 33% minority included all the >tank and artillery owners? That seems to be the case already, given that heavy weapons aren't commonly owned by the citizenry. With such low numbers, obviously due to cost, I don't think the superior weapons are going to be of great effect against a numerically superior foe. Furthermore, it is even more doubtful their training includes proper tactical movements that best utilize tanks, whereas the commonly rifleman is not so hampered in effectiveness. >I think it is vital to avoid such a situation, where a small >minority would have a reasonable chance of gaining political power >through violence. To prevent this, it may be necessary to give >control of heavy weapons (e.g. those which only a small number >of individuals would own _and_ whose firepower would grossly >distort the relation between popular support and military >strength) to someone other that individual militiamen. This is >certainly not a good thing, but I think it is the lesser of two evils. >Whoever controls these weapons must be a democratic body, >responsive to the will of the people. I had envisioned that the armorer, perhaps the officers of a select group, and the like would exercise control over the heavier, more complex weapons. But, if Joe Bob owns an old Sherman tank I certainly wouldn't ask him to give it up. Follow orders from the officers, yes. Since the expense of a tank is so large, though, chances are it would be jointly purchased and should therefore be jointly maintained and operated. >Here, I think we have to be carefull about _which_ ""state"" we >are talking about: Certainly one role of the militia is to >overthrow a repressive government, and it would be completely >destructive to that end for that same government to control >the militia's arms. But the United States have several levels >of government, each able to act independently, but not all >likely targets of rebelion. >As such, rebelions against state and >local governments are very unlikely. I think, therefore, that the >state (or possibly local) governments could safely be allowed to >keep the select militia's heavy weapons. The risk of abuse, while >still something to consider, is far less than the similar risk >were the federal government in control. This I'll agree with to a point. The State having control over the heavy weapons should not be justification for the state to have them centrally located. Keep them spread out, such that the ability of the State to lock them up isn't so easy. Otherwise, I would have to assume that State control would rest on the authority of the Governor and militia officers. >That is eaxctly why I think they should be removed: The select >militia should privide the militia's heavy weapons and highly-trained >specialists. For the reasons I have outlines above, I think >these heavy weapons (tanks, artillery, aircraft, etc...) are >better off being kept by local governments than by a small >number of individuals. However, local governments shouldn't >be able to use the select militia without the support to the >people. Ideally, the general militia, under the direct >control of the people, and the select militia, under the direction >of democratic, local governments, would opperate together. >But even in the worst case, the general militia should be able >to functional without the select militia. Similarly, the >select militia should be incapable of action without the >aid of the general militia. I'm having a hard time seeing how these heavy weapons, fairly few in numbers, could not be easily wielded by a few people with government support. Just as you argued above that the weapons should be divvied up and under democratic control so one side doesn't have all of them, I can't see where this situation is alleviated in having the select militia holding all the weapons and the unorganized militia being the infantry. I think a better mix is called for. But, I would argue that the Federal army should rely upon the select militia and the unorganized militia for the bulk of its infantry units. >Consider, then, the effect of removing the National Guard's >infantry and placing the Guard under the control of local >governments. The government-controled select militia could >not fight effectively without infantry support provided by >the general militia (an inherently infantry organization.) >On the other hand, the general militia could function (although >at a disadvantage) without the backing of local governments and >the select militia. We have to assume that there would be those who would side with the government-controlled forces, and if they've all the equipment an infantry force 3x the size would be in trouble. I'd like to see that heavy stuff, say tanks, offset by the local troups having a few 105's and anti-tank weapons in their armory. These would be much more useful to infantry than the tank would be when cost and training requirements are figured in. I suppose I'm quibbling over what constitutes heavy equipment. >>...but a mechanized infantry unit is what builds >>dikes in times of flood, sets up disaster relief cities, and >>the like. > >I would much rather see these things handled by the local, >general militias. So would I, but the resources often aren't available to outfit local units well enough. Thus, we will certainly have to call in others, and a mechanized unit carries more stuff faster than anything else. >Perhaps the National Guard isn't as close to my conception of >the select militia as I thought: I was considering them to >be the heavy weapons/armor arm of the militia, not the infantry >arm of the regular army. Perhaps our ideas of heavy weapons are different? I think main battle tanks, self-propelled artillery, and 155mm and up field pieces are heavy stuff. M113 troop carriers, 2 1/2 ton trucks, HumVee's, old M60 tanks, 105 Howitzers, are more the stuff of a mechanized infantry. Actually, this is what the Guard units in Iowa are currently fielding in some units. Perhaps it is just my innate fear of having the real heavy equipment under State control, with little but numbers and light stuff to act as a deterrent. Allowing main battle tanks to the states should be balanced with anti-tank capability in the local ranks. Similarly, local units would need to band together quickly, hence small and fast response means mechanized infantry. Finally, the militia is more than just fighting. Equipment is needed for other responses. The Federal army, I'm convinced, should have a very minumum of infantry, relying on the state and local militias for these functions. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 1962,1,"From: clipper@mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung) Subject: Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada In-Reply-To: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:49:46 GMT <1993Apr13.025240.8884@nwnexus.WA.COM> <1993Apr14.044946.12144@labtam.labtam.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 41 >>>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:49:46 GMT, graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill) said: Graeme> Yes, that's known as ""Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for Graeme> Incremental lines"". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics, Graeme> Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985. > I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can't figure out > how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas? Graeme> Hmm. I don't think I can help you with this, but you might Graeme> take a look at the following: Graeme> ""Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles"", Graeme> X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing, Graeme> Vol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334 Graeme> ""Double-Step Generation of Ellipses"", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Graeme> IEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69 Another paper you might want to consider is: @article{fungdraw, title=""A Run-Length Slice Line Drawing Algorithm without Division Operations"", author=""Khun Yee Fung and Tina M. Nicholl and A. K. Dewdney"", journal=""Computer Graphics Forum"", year=1992, volume=11, number=3, pages=""C-267--C-277"" } Khun Yee -- Khun Yee Fung clipper@csd.uwo.ca Department of Computer Science Middlesex College University of Western Ontario London, Ontario Canada N6A 5B7 Tel: (519) 661-6889 Fax: (519) 661-3515 " 1963,14,"From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) Subject: U.S. Space Foundation Speech Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 94 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Speech by Pete Worden Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference Colorado Springs, Colorado April 15, 1993 What a delightful opportunity to cause some trouble. For providing me this forum I would sincerely like to thank the U.S. Space Foundation. My topic today is the Single Stage Rocket Technology rocket or SSRT. By I intend to speak of more. How to lower the cost and make rapid progress. SSRT is to my mind -- and I hope to convince you -- the erupting a new rallying cry for our generation in space -- Faster, Cheaper, and Better. Faster, Cheaper, Better and SSRT represent the passing of a torch from one technical generation to another. It is a new thing to be sure -- but it is also a relearning of old things from past masters. When we rolled out the SSRT baby two weeks ago, so called experts told us it violates the laws of physics -- it made no sense. For example, Dr. Eberhart Rachtin - former president of the Aerospace Corp., said of SSRT in the L.A. Times that it, ""defies the best principles of launching payloads into space."" Well Dr. Rachtin -- you've made us mad! What are these principles that SSRT defies? Well I'll tell you. It violates the principle that you need a giant program office to build space hardware. It violates the ""fact"" that it takes 20 years to build something new. And it violates the truism that you cant do anything significant for less than many billions of dollars. It took some of the last generation's experts to teach us some new/old lessons. Werhner Von Braun's first rocket was not a Saturn V. General Schriever's ICBM's didn't take ten years to demonstrate. And the X-1 airplane didn't cost $1 billion. It took one of the great engineers of the 1950's to remind us of these truths -- Max Hunter. Max, to remind you, was a senior engineer in the Thor IRBM program, and old faster, better, cheaper success story. Max has been persistent in a vision of a single stage reusable space launch system since the 1960's. Because he knew it had to be done in affordable steps - Build a little, Test a little. Next he persuaded us to do a technology demonstration. We didn't solicit a bunch of requirements -- they'd just change every few years anyway. [ not included in the speech -- The ALS/NLS has such ephemeral requirements that it would better known as ""Shape Shifter"" than ""Space Lifter."" We didn't spend a lot money -- this X-Rocket only cost $60 million. When's the last time we even built a new airplane for that? And it didn't take a lot of time to build -- McDonnell Douglas completed it in 18 months. Finally, the government program office consisted of one very over-worked Air Force Major -- motivated in part by the threat that he'd get to ride on it in a strapped-on lawn chair if it ran over cost or schedule. As I described what SSRT is -- and isn't keep in mind its only a first step. There are several more steps -- and steps that can easily fail -- before the U.S. can field an SSTO. But each step should follow the same principles -- a small management team -- a few years technology demonstration -- and a modest budget. Let me show a few details on SSRT and how it might evolve: (See charts) I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we could do is soft-land on Earth! But we do have an answer. We can follow their build a little, test a little philosophy to produce a truly affordable and routine access to space. I know there are nay sayers among you -- those who say SSRT is a stunt. It needs more thermal protection, the engines are wrong, it would be better to land horizontally, etc, etc. I say to you -- we'll see you at White Sands in June. You bring your view-graphs, and I'll bring my rocketship. If we do what we say we can do, then you let us do the next step. [ not included in the speech: If we fail -- you still have your program offices, staff summary sheets, requirement analyses, and decade long programs.] I bet on my generation and Max Hunter's idea -- Any Takers? " 1964,2,"From: qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff) Subject: Tidying up after removing an OLE server Keywords: OLE, SPSS Nntp-Posting-Host: chad3-22.liv.ac.uk Organization: The University of Liverpool X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 16 A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC. Unfortunately there is still a ""ghost"" of SPSS left: when I run something like ""Write"" and go to embed an object then ""SPSS Chart"" appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all the obvious ""INI"" files without success. The next thing I tried was looking for the string ""SPSS Chart"" in every file in the Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel inclined to edit it. I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers. Chris Wooff (C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk) " 1965,8,"From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 31 Tom Dietrich (txd@ESD.3Com.COM) wrote: : parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: : : >I bought it, I tried it: : : >It is, truly, the miracle spooge. : : >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km. : : Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it. : : >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now : >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect. : : Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie... ---------------- rip! pithy ""I'm afraid to work on my bike"" stuff deleted --- : There is also damn little if any shaft effect : with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!! : Heh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft effect? Nathaniel ZX-10 <--- damn little if any shaft effect DoD 0812 AMA p.s. okay, so it's flame bait, so what " 1966,4,"From: durtralp@ux1.isu.edu (Ralph Durtschi) Subject: Re: IIsi clock upgrade Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello Lines: 47 Hi, I have been getting a lot of requests for this information so I thought I would post it for those interested parties. (Sorry for length). To increase the MacIISi speed to 25MHz or 33MHz the clock must be changed from 40MHz to 50MHz or 64MHz respectively. This is done by going to a static-free work station or putting some aluminum foil down to work on. 1. Open up the Si by lifting the tabs at the back of the case. 2. Remove the Hard Disk by disconnecting the power and SCSI cables, spreading the tabs, and lifting the drive out. 3. Remove the flopy drive. 4. Remove the power supply by spreading the tab in front and lifting the supply straight up and out. 5. Remove the fan by pressing the ears together at the back, bottom side of the fan and lifting straight up and out. 6. Remove the Mother Board by spreading the tabs on the left and right side of the board and sliding the board forward then lifting the board out. (all connectors on the back of the board must be removed first) 7. Desolder the 40MHz clock (the one closest to the memory modules). This is not easy even for a skilled solderer. 8. Get an IC socket with the round pins and remove four of the pins by pushing them up from the bottom with long nose pliers. 9. Put the four pins in the holes vacated by the clock and solder them in. 10.Insert a 50MHz or 64MHz clock. 11.Put large power transistor heat sink's on the processor chip and the other large chip just to the right of the processor and figure some way to hold the heat sync's in place. I made a simple clamp by putting a four inch screw up through the hole in the board between the two chips. Mount the screw using insulated washers. Screw a cross member down over the heat sync's to hold them in place. Don't use too much pressure. 12. Put it all back together and go-for-it. Disclaimer: this is only the procedure I used and is not authorized by anyone. You are on your own for this procedure. I'm quite sure it will void your warentee. Bye for now, ************************************************ Ralph Durtschi (208) 236-3256 Idaho State University EMAIL: durtralp@ux1.isu.edu ************************************************ " 1967,4,"Subject: Re: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res From: sadams@eis.calstate.edu (Steven Adams) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 34 Just my luck. I did however call my local Apple dealer and he said that the he thinks the serial numbers of the machines that are covered begin with either 70 or 53-56, and maybe one other. He also told me that Apple had extended the service on these serial numbers for another year!!! So there is still hope - Get those monitor in!! jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite ) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.183527.3365@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> > hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: > > THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and > > they will replace the flyback for free, I think. > > > > > > I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing > > them for free. > > > > > > ________________ > > - / o r r > > The service notice on the 13"" hi-res monitors expired 3/23/93 after this > date Apple will NOT reimburse service providers for the fix (replacement > of the hi-voltage capacitor). All you folks that have been putting up with > intermittant shutdowns without getting it to your service provider missed > out on the freebie. It was in force for a year. If you got it free after > 3/23, you got a deal... > Jeff Hite > Computing Center > U of Oregon > jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu -- " 1968,7,"From: zakir@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zakir Sahul) Subject: Inflation in car prices Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 5 Anyone have figures or pointers to references about how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade? Thanks. " 1969,6,"From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Distribution: na Lines: 30 Agent_X writes: > I can no longer use anything japanese. Kenwood, Yeasu, Icom, Alinco, its > ALL JUNK. ^^^^^^^^ Well, I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but I agree that Motorola gear is of better quality. The question is how much that quality is worth to a ham in amateur service, not commercial service >This radio can hear a repeater thats 40 miles away without > an antenna. Ok, great. But how often does that come up? How good is ""good enough"", and how much is someone willing to pay for it? A good ham-quality HT is maybe $500, while a commercial quality one is maybe $2000. Is the increased reliability and performance worth 4 times the price *in amateur service*? Only the individual involved can answer that question, and each ham has to decide for him/herself. If Motorola quality is worth 4 times the price to you, then more power to ya'. But I'm amazed that folks make that choice. For, me, given that I've got $2000 to spend, I'l pick the Yaesu ht and a nice new HF rig every time over a Motorola ht alone, no matter how good it is. To me, ham-quality gear is ""good enough"". To each his own... 73... Mike, N4PDY ****************************** * These are my opinions only.* ****************************** " 1970,12,"From: nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes: >It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for >an officer to actually see the radar detector. Not any more! Many >law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors. >Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF >from the radar detector itself. My first reaction was ""no way!"" >But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police >are writing citations right and left for people using radar >detectors. One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had >found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one, >and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was >there. This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest. From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. Neal Howland nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu " 1971,12,"From: mycal@NetAcsys.com (Mycal) Subject: ATARI 2600 Processors Distribution: world Organization: ACSYS, Inc. Lines: 19 For all people that are interested in every aspect of the 2600 try the zine: 2600 connection $1 cash to : Timothy Duarte PO Box N, 664 Westport, MA 02790 for sample --------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key on request. mycal@netacsys.com \ // Mycal's way of skiing moguls: // \ turn, turn, turn, air, survive, survive, survive... No Risk, No Rush " 1972,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Plutonium based Nuclear Power plants. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Todays New York TImes just wrote about a pact being negotiated between us and the Russians to develope High Temperature Gas Cooled Fission Reactors using Re-Cycled Weapons Grade plutonium from Warhead stockpiles. THe fuel will be pelletized in ceramic for safety, and then after depletion will be sufficiently contaminated with by-products to make extraction of the remaining plutonium hazardous enough to deter re-use. Apparently the project will be led by General Atomics of San Diego with funding from the US GOvernment. THe pilot plant will be built and operated by the russians. pat " 1973,4,"From: eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wayne Chen) Subject: Re: Disappointed by La Cie Nntp-Posting-Host: dialin33626.slip.nts.uci.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Organization: UC Irvine Lines: 6 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 05:56:22 GMT In article <2BC1F81D.20078@news.service.uci.edu> Wayne Chen, eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu writes: > industry. After all it does sound unfair to me for someone that has ^^^^^^^^ Oops, I meant fair, not unfair. " 1974,7,"From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) Subject: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 14 I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) Thanks, Danny -- =============================================================================== = ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = = Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = = | = = Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = = Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = " 1975,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 79 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: :You are loosing. ""Loosing""? Well, I'll avoid the spelling flames and see if this person can make up for it. :There is no question about it. Oh, there's LOTS of question about it. People are becoming more aware each day that their rights are being threatened, so much so that NRA membership is growing at the rate of nearly 2,000 per *day*. We are slowly gaining our rightful voice, despite the biases, prejudices, and veiled motives of the liberal media and anti-gun politicians. We will win. :Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter :how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. What do you base this on? Some highly-skewed poll conducted by NBC News? The same group who faked GM pickup explosions just to make ""news""? Right. :This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your :RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. It is true that we face even greater obstacles to our rights, betrayed by those lying politicians who swear an oath to protect the Constitution ""from all enemies, both foreign and domestic."" But the People will take only so many lies and deceits. :You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of :cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you :can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. Then the criminals who live by murder shall die by it. Honest, law-abiding citizens need have no fear on that count. You, however, will evidently die by (or at least in) ignorance. And the number of firearms self-defenses shall spell out our ultimate victory. :The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against :you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! The flow of history was against the Founding Fathers, but they managed to successfully form the first real free republic on the face of this planet, a republic that has become the model for all others to follow. The press is against us, for its own selfish motivations. And the people will soon realize the depths of deceit being spread by that media, and nullify its ill-directed power. The People are with us. :Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect :them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. :Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an :immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. I shall never submit to an illegal, unConstitutional police state. I will take my own vow to uphold the Constitution, and I shall defend it and my country against a tyrannical government gone mad, should it become necessary. :Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions :are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will :be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... I will not be your sacrificial sheep, and I shall not bow down to you or anyone else who seeks to control my life. Being an unarmed target is the SUREST way of encouraging criminals, and believe me, I shall avoid it as much as possible. Then I shall be as safe as possible. I will answer with violence only when no other option exists, but I shall surely answer. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 1976,1,"From: bockamp@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Florian Bockamp) Subject: WANTED: Matrox PG-1281 CV driver Originator: bockamp@hphalle2g.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 24 Hi! I need a Windows 3.1 driver for the Matrox PG-1281 CV SVGA card. At the moment Windows runs only in the 640x480 mode. If you have a driver for this card, please send it with the OEMSETUP.INF to bockamp@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE Thanks! -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Florian Bockamp ''' | | bockamp@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (o o) | +---------------------------------------------oOO--( )--OOo-------+ | - | | ""It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature!"" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ " 1977,11,"From: ""Jon C. R. Bennett"" Subject: Ideas on Clipper Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 92 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu I have an idea as to why the encryption algorithm needs to be keep secret, and some things that i think it implies. (Of course these could all be wrong.....) from THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Dorothy Denning Revised, April 21, 1993 . . . The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second. Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip . . . ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method. Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after an authorized wiretap has been installed. ------------------ suppose i knew how the algorithm worked and knew the N for my chip, but did not know F, then by cryptanalysis i might be able to determine F from if law enforcement field E[E[K; U] + N; F] not knowing N would might make this much harder. Now suppose that I know F, (either legitimately or not), If I know K (either because I am involved in the conversation, or I know U for a party in the conversation), I may now be able to determine U for the other party. If I know F I can also defeat the law enforcement field, since I could make my own, with a different K then the one I am using. Knowing F also allows traffic analysis to be performed. So I might not know what you are saying but I could know who you are saying it too. Now I admit that someone trying to compute U will not have lots of messages to work from, but since we have no way of knowing that the key generation method does not (deliberately?) generate weak keys, or for that matter that the published method is in fact used, perhaps the U's will be chosen from know weak keys for the system. Obviously the compromise of F would be a disaster, both to law enforcement for whom this whole thing is designed, and for the people who believe that it is giving them security. F is but one number, and I sure that alot of people (more then 1) know what it is (and if some ""panel of experts"" is going to check it over for flaws then many more will know F, forget grinding chips, bribery and blackmail work just fine. So, am I wrong? Or are these problems. jon " 1978,11,"From: neuhaus@bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) Subject: Re: PGP 2.2: general comments Nntp-Posting-Host: bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Lines: 39 neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) writes: >[Lots of stuff.] I hate to follow up to my own posting, but I should perhaps clarify some things so I won't get flamed. First of all, when I'm talking about ``factoring the modulus'' or a ``breakthrough in factoring'', what I really mean is a breakthrough in the cryptanalysis of RSA. I know that factoring and breaking RSA are not proven to be equivalent; it's just so damn convenient not to repeat this every time. I also have to admit that I don't really know if the ``non-group'' property of a cipher is essential only for key chaining. I have thought about it a little while, but I can't find a way that a cryptanalyst could exploit a group structure. That, of course, means nothing at all. Then I wrote, >Please note that as long as it is much harder to factor a RSA modulus >than it is to generate it, the increase in computer speed alone will >keep key lengths and modulus factoring in lock-step, i.e., people will >simply start using longer moduli and still be safe. What I meant was that as long as the only advantage of the cryptanalyst is a faster computer, then we will probably have RSA for a long time to come, because even if 1024-bit moduli somehow could be broken with fast computers (not with a new algorithm), then people would simply use longer moduli. Both users and cryptanalysts benefit from better technology in the same way. Hope this keeps the flames away... Have fun. -- Stephan sig closed for inventory. Please leave your pickaxe outside. PGP 2.2 public key available on request. Note the expiration date. " 1979,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.135232.24454@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: |> In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) |> writes: |> > |> >The Banana one isn't, IMHO. Ultra sticky labels printed with your |> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead |> of |> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the |> cage. |> |> So what's your local hospital's favorite curse? |> ""May your skin stick to a frozen bed pan"" ""May your apple juice be mistakenly drawn from the urinalisys lab"" -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 1980,16,"From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia Lines: 18 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > would have to be local. There are not all that many people > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. So why did the Australian Customs Service make a public statement to a parliamentary committee last year that weapons smuggling was a problem which it was not able to control? Possibly criminals don't have your grasp of economics? Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.edu.au) Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy " 1981,12,"From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden) Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference Keywords: catv cable television tvi Article-I.D.: tvnews.1993Apr15.193218.13070 Organization: Tektronix TV Products Lines: 15 In article jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) writes: >What happens when DVC (Digital Videon Compression) is introduced next >year and instead of just receiving squiggly lines on 2 or 3 channels >we'll be receiving sqigglies on, let's see 3*10 = 30 channels eventually. Since the digital transmission schemes include error correction and concealment, the performance remains about the same down to a very low carrier-to-noise ratio, below which it degrades very quickly. Hence, digitally compressed TV is supposed to be less susceptible to interference than amplitude modulated TV. -- Bill McFadden Tektronix, Inc. P.O. Box 500 MS 58-639 Beaverton, OR 97077 bill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill Phone: (503) 627-6920 How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are? " 1982,12,"From: fishman@panix.com (Harvey Fishman) Subject: Re: electronic parts in NYC? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 11 There are also a couple or three places on West 45th between Fifth and Sixth. Harvey -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harvey Fishman | fishman@panix.com | You don't get smart except by asking stupid questions. 718-258-7276 | " 1983,13,"From: Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu (Isabelle Rosso) Subject: Hunchback X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b15@dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College Lines: 14 I have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back. He always walks and sits this way so I have concluded that he is hunchback. Is this a genetic disorder, or is it something that people can correct. i.e. is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will power? Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu " 1984,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 23 In article rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes: >First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing >policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? I don't think they're paying for it. >Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go >do useful work for the society. Useful? I find his estimate of the annual value to law enforcement of $5 million quite useful, if rough (e.g. wiretaps may be preferentially used on otherwise-hard-to-catch criminals, resulting in an underestimate). This comes to twenty cents a head over the U.S. population. I would find some rigorous numbers on this quite useful -- it would make for nice slogans: ""Your privacy is worth $0.37"", or whatever it turns out to be. >Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 1985,4,"From: ams@Auspex.COM (Allan Schwartz) Subject: Re: Making an internal hard disk into an external Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: auspex.auspex.com >Its not a difficult operation-- the cables and such are standard, >except for SCSI ID. SCSI ID is usually three jumper pads-- labelled >A0-A2 on Quantums. I am trying to put a 40MB drive from my LC into a case. It is a Conner CP3040A. I can't figure out which jumpers are the SCSI ID jumpers. Is anyone familiar with this drive? At the end of the drive (oposite the 50 pin pibbon connector), there are eleven pins which look like this: o o o o o o 1 o o o o o 2 L5 CR12 C37 where the ""o"" are pins, and the ""L5 CR12 C37"" represent some of the silk screen notation near these pins. Elsewhere on the board there are four jumper pads marked E1,E2,E3,E4 on the silk screen. Does anyone know where the SCSI ID A0,A1,A2 pins are, and where the drive activity light LED should be plugged into? -allan -- Allan M. Schwartz +1 408 492-0900 ams@auspex.com " 1986,17,"From: hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes: >> Problem 1 >> >> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the >> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary >> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. >> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, >> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third >> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were >> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from >> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the > massacre. >> >Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 >Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all, > they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to lose count around 1.5 million. Hovig " 1987,2,"From: jef_i@pt_iwaniw.stars.flab.Fujitsu.JUNET (Jefrem Iwaniw) Subject: Re: Visual c++ In-Reply-To: David A. Fuess's message of 26 Apr 1993 14: 22:55 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.8.210.197 Organization: Pelican Software Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 20 To clarify: VC++ *is* considered an upgrade for C7. There will be no product called C 8.0 (although the command-line compiler of VC++ lists its version as 8.00). C7 is not a ""DOS""-only product -- it is a C/C++ compiler capable of producing executables for DOS or Windows, as is VC++ (Pro. Ed.). The (significant) difference is that VC++ comes with many Windows-hosted tools (ide, etc) which assist developers in creating Windows executables much more quickly (basically by automating the thousands of lines of boilerplate code). Initial impressions have been very favorable. Everyone who is a registered user of C7 should have received a considerable amount of info regarding the specifics of C7. If you haven't, call Microsoft and I'm sure they'd be happy to send you some! -Jefrem Iwaniw Pelican Software Corporation " 1988,1,"From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) Subject: Re: Removing Distortion From Bitmapped Drawings? Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 135 In article <1993Apr19.141034.24731@sctc.com> boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) writes: >Let's say you have a scanned image of a line drawing; in this case a >boat, but it could be anything. On the drawing you have a set of >reference points whose true x,y positions are known. > >Now you digitize the drawing manually (in this case, using Yaron >Danon's excellent Digitize program). That is, you use a program which >converts cursor positions to x,y and saves those values when you click >the mouse. > >Upon digitizing you notice that the reference point values that come >out of the digitizing process differ in small but significant ways >from the known true values. This is understandable because the >scanned drawing is a reproduction of the original and there are >successive sources of distortion such as differential expansion and >contraction of paper, errors introduced in the printing process, >scanner errors and what have you. > >The errors are not uniform over the entire drawing, so ""global"" >adjustments such as stretching/contracting uniformly over x or y, or >rotating the whole drawing, are not satisfactory. > >So the question is: does any kind soul know of an algorithm for >removing such distortion? In particular, if I have three sets of >points > >Reference(x,y) (the known true values) > >DistortedReference(x,y) (the same points, with known errors) > >DistortedData(x,y) (other points, with unknown errors) > >what function of Reference and Distorted could I apply to >DistortedData to remove the errors. > >I suspect the problem could be solved by treating the distorted >reference points as resulting from the projection of a ""bumpy"" 3d >surface, solving for the surface and then ""flattening"" it to remove >the errors in the other data points. It helps to have some idea of the source of the distortion - or at least a reasonable model of the class of distortion. Below is a very short description of the process which we use; if you have further questions, feel free to poke me via e-mail. ================================================================ *ASSUME: locally smooth distortion 0) Compute the Delaunay Triangulation of your (x,y) points. This defines the set of neighbors for each point. If your data are not naturally convex, you may have very long edges on the convex hull. Consider deleting these edges. 1) Now, there are two goals: a) move the DistortedData(x,y) to the Reference(x,y) b) keep the Length(e) (as measured from the current (x,y)'s) as close as possible to the DigitizedLength(e) (as measured using the digitized (x,y)'s). 2) For every point, compute a displacement based on a) and b). For example: a) For (x,y) points for which you know the Reference(x,y), you can move alpha0*(Reference(x,y) - Current(x,y)). This will slowly move the DistortedReference(x,y) towards the Reference(x,y). b) For all other points, examine the current length of each edge. For each edge, compute a displacement which would make that edge the correct length (where ""correct"" is the DigitizedLength). Take the vector sum of these edge displacements, and move the point alpha1*SumOfEdgeDisplacements. This will keep the triangulated mesh consistent with your Digitized mesh. 3) Iterate 2) until you are happy (for example, no point moves very much). alpha0 and alpha1 need to be determined by experimentation. Consider how much you believe the Reference(x,y) - i.e., do you absolutely insist on the final points exactly matching the References, or do you want to balance some error in matching the Reference against changes in length of the edges. WARNING: there are a couple of geometric invariants which must be observed (essentially, you can't allow the convex hull to change, and you can't allow triangles to ""fold over"" neighboring triangles. Both of these can be handled either by special case checks on the motion of individual points, or by periodically re-triangulating the points (using the current positions - but still calculating DigitizedLength from the original positions. When we first did this, the triangulation time was prohibitive, so we only did it once. If I were motivated to try and change code that has been working in production mode for 5 years, I *might* go back and re-triangulate on every iteration. If you have more compute power than you know what to do with, you might consider having every point interact with every other point....but first read up on linear solutions to the n-body problem. There are lots of papers in the last 10 years of SIGGRAPH proceedings on springs, constraints, and energy calculations which are relevant. The above method is described, in more or less detail in: @inproceedings{Sloan86, author=""Sloan, Jr., Kenneth R. and David Meyers and Christine A.~Curcio"", title=""Reconstruction and Display of the Retina"", booktitle=""Proceedings: Graphics Interface '86 Vision Interface '86"", address=""Vancouver, Canada"", pages=""385--389"", month=""May"", year=1986 } @techreport{Curcio87b, author=""Christine A.~Curcio and Kenneth R.~Sloan and David Meyers"", title=""Computer Methods for Sampling, Reconstruction, Display, and Analysis of Retinal Whole Mounts"", number=""TR 87-12-03"", institution=""Department of Computer Science, University of Washington"", address=""Seattle, WA"", month=""December"", year=1987 } @article{Curcio89, author=""Christine A.~Curcio and Kenneth R.~Sloan and David Meyers"", title=""Computer Methods for Sampling, Reconstruction, Display, and Analysis of Retinal Whole Mounts"", journal=""Vision Research"", volume=29, number=5, pages=""529--540"", year=1989 } -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham (205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station (205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 " 1989,19,"From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615 Lines: 20 starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) writes: > : If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, > : do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been > : reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not > : on the Endangered Species List. > > How about ""washed in the blood of Barney the Dinosaur""? :) Judging from postings I've read all over Usenet and on non-Usenet BBs conferences, Barney is DEFINITELY an endangered species. Especially if he runs into me in a dark alley. A.Lizard ------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Lizard Internet Addresses: alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred) PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above) alizard@gentoo.com (backup) PGP2.2 public key available on request " 1990,14,"From: jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Lines: 26 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada In article <1993Apr19.020359.26996@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: >> > Can these questions be answered for a previous >> > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting? > >> Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files) >> p(au) 3.424346 >> e 0.151899 >> i 1.0988 >> cap_omega(0) 243.5652 >> W(0) 231.1607 >> epoch 1977.04110 > > >> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: >> >> April 1973 83 jupiter radii >> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii > > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the > 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. > Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well? > -- Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. John Garland jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca " 1991,15,"From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson) Subject: Maybe????? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 17 Hi Christian friends, My name is Joel, I have a sister who's 25th birthday is tomorrow.....She used to be on fire for the Lord, but somehow, for some reason, she became cold....she don't want to associate anymore with her old christian friends.........so I thought maybe some of you could help her out again by sending her a postcard or card with a little message of encouragement.....hand written is okay....her address is 3150 Hobart Ave. San Jose Ca. 95127........... Thank you and God Bless. PS: Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!!! [I have some qualms about postings like this. You might want to engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging someone who doesn't expect it with cards. --clh] " 1992,0,"Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 26 In article , kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes... >In article suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes: >>:> God is eternal. [A = B] >>:> Jesus is God. [C = A] >>:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] >> >>:> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of >>:> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore >>:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. The first premise and the conclusion are not properly translated as identity statements, since the ""is"" in those statements is the ""is"" of predication rather than of identity. Instead, they should be translated using a predicate letter. Using ""g"" to designate God and ""j"" to designate Jesus, and the predicate letter ""E"" for the property of being eternal, the first premise is Eg and the conclusion is Ej. The second premise appears to contain an ""is"" of identity, in which case it can be properly symbolized as j = g. But your remark that ""Jesus is a subset of God"" suggests that strict identity is not desired here. If, however, the first premise means that all members making up the set God have the property of being eternal, the same conclusion follows. Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 " 1993,13,"From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) Subject: Re: Broken rib Keywords: advice needed Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute Lines: 28 In article jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes: > >fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or >cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm. > My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was >best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and >indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very >hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me >is the movement or ""clunking"" I feel and hear back there when I move >certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke >years ago and that it still bothers them.. any opinions? Your doctor is right. It is best to do nothing, besides taking some pain medication initially. Some patients don't like this and expect, or demand, to have something done. In these cases some physicians will ""tape"" the patient (put a lot of heavy adhesive tape around the chest), or prescribe an elastic binder. All this does is make it harder to breath, but the patient doesn't feel cheated, because soemthing is being done about the problem. Either way, the end results are the same. ================================== Howard Doyle doyle+@pitt.edu " 1994,13,"From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Subject: Re: sore throat Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK Lines: 29 In article <47835@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes: >I have had a sore throat for almost a week. When I look into >the mirror with the aid of a flash light, I see white plaques in >the very back of my throat (on the sides). I went to a health >center to have a throat culture taken. They said that I do not >have strep throat. Could a viral infection cause white plaques >on the sides of my throat? First, I am not a doctor. I know about this because I have been through it. It sounds like tonsilitis (lit. swollen tonsils). Feel under your jaw hinge for a swelling on each side. If you find them, its tonsilitis. I've had this a couple of times in the past. The doctor prescribed a weeks course of penicillin and that cleared it up. In my case it was associated with glandular fever, which is a viral infection which (from my point of view) resembled flu and tonsilitis that kept coming back for a year or so. There is a blood test for this. In conclusion, see a doctor (if you have not done so already). Paul. -- Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions " 1995,8,"From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher) Subject: Re: Traffic morons Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 37 In article Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes: >In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>, >ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote: >> >> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) >> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks >> >> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to >> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was >> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I >> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the >> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). >> >> NMM>Did I do the right thing? > > imho, you did the wrong thing. You could have been shot > or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit > out of you. Consider that the person is foolish enough > to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too. > > Just get the heck away from the idiot. > > IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_ > file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court. > It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp. > >==================================================== >John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony. . > > All standard disclaimers apply. " 1996,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 63 In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >>In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: >I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc. >I found this useful passage regarding the legitimacy of the ""fatwa"": >""It was also common knowledge as prescribed by Islamic law, that the >sentence was only applicable where the jurisdiction of Islamic law >applies. Moreover, the sentence has to be passed by an Islamic court >and executed by the state machinery through the due process of the law. >Even in Islamic countries, let alone in non-Muslim lands, individuals >cannot take the law into their own hands. The sentence when passed, >must be carried out by the state through the usual machinery and not by >individuals. Indeed it becomes a criminal act to take the law into >one's own hands and punish the offender unless it is in the process of >self-defence. Moreover, the offender must be brought to the notice of >the court and it is the court who shoud decide how to deal with him. >This law applies equally to Muslim as well as non-Muslim territories. I agree fully with the above statement and is *precisely* what I meant by my previous statements about Islam not being anarchist and the law not being _enforcible_ despite the _law_ being applicable. >Hence, on such clarification from the ulama [Islamic scholars], Muslims >in Britain before and after Imam Khomeini's fatwa made it very clear >that since Islamic law is not applicable to Britain, the hadd >[compulsory] punishment cannot be applied here."" I disagree with this conclusion about the _applicability_ of the Islamic law to all muslims, wherever they may be. The above conclusion does not strictly follow from the foregoing, but only the conclusion that the fatwa cannot be *enforced* according to Islamic law. However, I do agree that the punishment cannot be applied to Rushdie even *were* it well founded. >Wow... from the above, it looks like that from an Islamic viewpoint >Khomeini's ""fatwa"" constitutes a ""criminal act"" .... perhaps I could >even go out on a limb and call Khomeini a ""criminal"" on this basis.... Certainly putting a price on the head of Rushdie in Britain is a criminal act according to Islamic law. >Anyhow, I think it is understood by _knowledgeable_ Muslims that >Khomeini's ""fatwa"" is Islamically illegitimate, at least on the basis >expounded above. Others, such as myself and others who have posted here >(particularly Umar Khan and Gregg Jaeger, I think) go further and say >that even the punishment constituted in the fatwa is against Islamic law >according to our understanding. Yes. Gregg " 1997,12,"From: webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Article-I.D.: hippo.1993Apr16.105738.20864 Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] : >I want to upgrade my system and was thinking of buying Adcom seperates. : >I have heard from alot of people, though, that Adcom sounds great but : >that the components are made cheaply and therefore won't last very long. : >The time estimates I've heard are like only 3 or 4 years. Is this true? I own the Adcom 60W power amp. As far as I'm concerned, there's no amp which can touch it at the price range. The build quality is very impressive and is far superior to other amps in the price range. The whole amplifier is extremely solid with massive heat sinks and very solid casing. If you open the amp up, there are only very good quality components in and the amp seems to be designed extremely well. Perfect symmetry for both channels and TWO transformers - one for each channel. The binding posts on the back of the amplifier are virtually the same as those on the Classe model 70 ie. very good. I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the amplifiers sound so brilliant. I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good. My last point, I recently auditioned the Adcom preamp something like the 545 or something. It was two years old and it still sounded like new. If you build an amplifier decently, like the Adcom's, they will sound brilliant and last a long time - period. Just my thoughts, but then - I do own one of Adcom's amps. -- *********************************************************************** ** Alan Webber ** ** webb@itu1.sun.ac.za ** ** webb@itu2.sun.ac.za ** ** ** ** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high ** ** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by ** ** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine ** ** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme ** *********************************************************************** " 1998,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Iapetus/Saturn Eclipse Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 79 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from John Spencer (spencer@lowell.edu): There will be two eclipses of Iapetus by Saturn and its rings, in May and July. Please spread the word! Here's some information about the events, and then a couple of messages from Jay Goguen of JPL appealing for thermal observations of the eclipse to learn more about the thermal properties of Iapetus. He might also have some money available... John Spencer, 1993/04/21 Iapetus will be eclipsed by the shadows of Saturn's rings and Saturn itself on 1993/05/01-02 (18:27-13:43 UT) and again on 1993/07/20-21, (21:16-09:38 UT). Timing is as follows; 1993 May 1-2 A-ring ingress 18:27 egress 19:30 B-ring ingress 19:51 egress 21:42 C-ring egress 23:00 Saturn ingress 23:59 egress 10:02 B-ring ingress 10:28 egress 12:19 A-ring ingress 12:40 egress 13:43 1993 July 20-21 Saturn ingress 21:16 egress 05:08 A-ring ingress 05:13 (grazing) egress 09:38 Times could be 30 minutes later according to an alternate ephemeris, and photometric observations are important for refining Iapetus' orbit. Because the Sun's size projected on the rings as seen from Iapetus is 3100 km it's unlikely that we will learn anything new about the rings themselves from the observations. See Soma (1992), Astronomy and Astrophysics 265, L21-L24 for more details. Thanks to Andy Odell of Northern Arizona University for bringing the events to my attention. THERMAL OBSERVATIONS? Jay Goguen (jdg@scn5.Jpl.Nasa.Gov) writes: To me, the interesting thing to do would be thermal IR of the 20 July disappearance into the shadow of the planet to measure thermal inertia, etc. Unfortunately, the 21:30 UT of this event renders it inaccessible, except from Russia. Even from Calar Alto, Saturn is rising through 3 airmasses at 23:00 UT. Do you know anyone in Russia or Ukraine with a big telescope and 10 um instrumentation that's looking for something to do? I'd be willing to make a personal grant of >$100 for the data. Jay and again: please try to encourage anyone that can observe the iapetus planet disappearance to do so at thermal wavelengths. My impression would be that it's not an easy observation. Iapetus will be faint and getting fainter in eclipse, so you'll need a big telescope that's a good IR telescope and reasonable 10 - 20 um instrumentation. I don't think that combination is widely available at the longitudes that are well placed for observation. We need SOFIA for this one. One possibility would be the IR telescope in India, but it's only a 1.2 m. jay ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 1999,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Clinton Boost in Spy Spending Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.735040094 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 23 Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Right on the heels of the Clinton ""registered encryption key"" debacle comes: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) writes: >[From yesterdays S.F. Chronicle] >""President Clinton has asked Congress for authority to spend more money >on spy agencies, satellites and other intelligence activities in fiscal >1994 than it allotted for 1993, congressional and administration >officials say. "" >.... Clinton had promised to slash intelligence spending by $7 billion >over four years. >.... Although the size of the nations' vast intelligence budget remains >an official secret, administration and congressional officials disclosed >yesterday that it would total about $28 billion if the increase >requested by Clinton is approved. Wonder how much of that extra money goes into coming up with encryption schemes they can easily crack? -- The Theorem Theorem: If if, then then " 2000,8,"From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA Lines: 15 In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: > >Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never >moved off course. Unfortunately, I am one of the ""negative-impaired"". The above sentence says (I believe), that the bike DID move off course. Of course. ;-) Michael -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | | Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2001,0,"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >(reference line trimmed) > >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > >[...] > >>There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the >>assertion that there was some ""objective"" morality, and as you admit >>here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is >>""objectively"" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself >>requires an appeal to morality. > I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics. Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask any assembly programmer.) >Yes. > >>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are >>asking what is the ""goal""? What do you mean by ""goal?"". Are you >>suggesting that there is some ""objective"" ""goal"" out there somewhere, >>and we form our morals to achieve it? > >Well, for example, the goal of ""natural"" morality is the survival and >propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is >presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we >should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see, >to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is, >we shall be moral unto what end? The oft-quoted line that says people should be guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable rights, is a complete lie and deception, as the very authors of that line were in the process of proving. Liberty is never free, it is always purchased at some cost, almost always at the cost to another. Whos liberty is more inalienable? Similarly for right of life. When one person must die if he is to save another, or even a group of others, whos life is more inalienable? That leads into the classic question of the value of the death penalty, especially for serial killers. Whos life and liberty is more valuable, the serial killer, or the victim? According to that beautiful line, those two rights should be completely inviolate, that is, noone should be able to remove them. This _includes_ government. Admittedly the serial killer has restricted some people's life and/or liberty, but is not his own life/liberty inviolate also? According to the declaration of independence, it is. >>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had >>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will. Oooh, I like that. It means that killing an infant is not murder because it cannot be against its will. Reason, an infant has no will as such. Similarly for people who are brain dead (easier to see), in a coma, etc. Also, under current law, accidental killing is still murder. How will you include that? >>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an >>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not. >>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our >>>system of morality was an objective one. >>I thought that was your very first claim. That there was >>some kind of ""objective"" morality, and that an example of that was >>that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more, >>that's fine. The only real golden rule in life is, he who has the gold, makes the rules. I.e. Might Makes Right. That is survival. Now what is wrong with that? >Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most >every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system >and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that >it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect. If you mean the golden rule as I stated, yes, almost every system as implemented has used that in reality. Sorry, I don't deal as much in fiction, as I do in reality. >>And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between >>""arbitrary"" and ""objective"". If Keith Schneider ""defines"" murder >>to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may >>still say ""Well, according to my personal system of morality, all >>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what >>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi >>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me"". WELCOME TO OZLAND!!!!!!! :) What is NOT arbitrary? If you can find some part of society, some societal rules, morals, etc. that are not arbitrary, please tell me. I don't think there are any. >Well, ""objective"" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental >concepts, while ""arbitary"" implies no clear line of reasoning. > >keith Sounds like euphemisms to me. The difference seems to be, that objective is some reasoning that I like, while arbitrary is some reasoning that I don't like OR don't understand. M^2 " 2002,2,"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) Subject: MS Mouse Driver 8.2 Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: aisle.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 15 Does anyone have the documentation for the MS Mouse Driver 8.2? I got it when I got Windows 3.1, but my Windows manual does not come with the documentation. In particular I need to know how to turn it off, and how to speed it up outside windows. The greater sensitivity is needed so I can play various games, esp X-wing :) --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | | Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | | | stupidity, and I'm not sure | | | about the former. - Einstein | | carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| | space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2003,14,"From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 12 With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about that might just work. Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville " 2004,5,"From: dick@bart.starnet.com (Dick Montgomery) Subject: Re: X-window for PC Organization: StarNet Communications Corp. Lines: 23 Briefly, StarNet Communications has four PC X server packages. Micro X-lite $ 75.00 Includes integrated tcp/ip, runs in 640KB, no arcs(). Micro X-enlite $150.00 Includes integrated tcp/ip, runs under DOS, shape extension "" interface to Novell tcp/ip Micro X-DOS $345.00 ($225 ea. in a 5-pack) Includes integrated tcp/ip, runs under DOS, shape extension "" interface to Novell tcp/ip, FTP's PC/TCP, & PC-NFS. Micro X-WIN $425.00 ($300 ea. in a 5-pack) Includes Lanera TCPOpen tcp/ip stack & utilities "" interface to FTP's PC/TCP, Sun's PC-NFS, & WinSock. For more information contact: ---------------------------------------------------------------- StarNet Communications FAX: 1-408-739-0936 3073 Lawrence Expressway Voice: 1-408-739-0881 Santa Clara, Ca. 95051 E-mail microx@starnet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- " 2005,1,"Subject: Rendering Software for Multi-processor Computer S From: wcarter@trident.datasys.swri.edu (William Carter) Organization: Southwest Research Institute Lines: 13 Hello, I am searching for rendering software which has been developed to specifically take advantage of multi-processor computer systems. Any pointers to such software would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Billy Carter, Software Engineering Section Southwest Research Institute wcarter@swri.edu " 2006,4,"From: meharg@kits.sfu.ca (Gersham William Meharg) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: comp Lines: 16 I also suffer from these video ""artefacts"". My configuration is a Centris 610, 4/160, 1MB VRAM with a NEC 4FG. It only happens at 832x624, in 8bit colour with virtual memory off during scrolling. This occurs when the VRAM SIMMS are installed as well as removed. It seems that the 610 does not like 832x624. Does anyone *not* have these problems in the above mentioned conditions? -Gersham Meharg SFU Canada. -- Gersham Meharg : meharg@sfu.ca : SFU-Vancouver-Canada " 2007,15,"From: danc@procom.com (Daniel Cossack) Subject: Re: The truth of the Bible Organization: Procom Technology, Inc. Lines: 44 sodium.asc.slb.com@asc.slb.com (Michael A. Montgomery) writes: >I believe that the God has preserved the Bible perfectly in that it >perfectly conveys all of the truth that He intended. This He has done Oh yea? Which version of the Bible is the perfectly preserved one? And why are there so many translations that are not perfectly preserved? Is God trying to confuse us? >Minor changes in wording or even accidental omission of passages in some >manuscripts does not change the truth being conveyed, nor would it lead a >serious student into doctrinal error. (Note also that God provided many But that is exactly what happend. There are so many branches of denominations of Christianity and deviations of doctrine portruding from varying translations of biblical texts by ""serious students"" that are much too numerous to begin to count. If there is a Perfect Bible, then there would be no possible misinterpretation and there would be no need for anyone here to be debating it. On the other hand, maybe the Bible is perfect, but no one on this planet is perfect enough to read it correctly, but then there would be no point in God giving us something we cannot use correctly. >In short, if you attack the credibility and reliability of the Bible, you >are on weak ground. Furthermore, the only reason that I can see for wanting >to do so is to remove the Bible as the final authority, and instead put >that responsibility on men to sift the Bible to strain out the nuggets of >truth that it contains (in other words, what they want to believe), and >ignore the rest. The Bible IS Truth; it does not just contain truth. IMHO, if you trust your salvation on the reliability of a single book, you are on weak ground. Remember, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This Word existed BEFORE the Bible was written. (Note: Word <==> God). This Word that John is trying to describe cannot be fully described in any written language, all languages being IMPERFECT. Realization comes only from contemplation of the Word, and is outside the boundaries of language. I use the Bible as a guide, a stepping stone, but in no way is it my final authority. God alone is the final authority. -- =========================================================================== Daniel Cossack | danc@procom.com, 71333.2102@compuserve.com Senior Software Engineer | 2181 Dupont Drive, Irvine, CA 92715 Procom Technology, Inc. | +1 714 852 1000 " 2008,7,"From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 34 In Srinagesh Gavirneni writes: >I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k >and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said >it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He >said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it >had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He >quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30 >outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor >is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it >malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy >sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also, >did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also, >what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction. > Any help would be greatly apprecisted > Thanks I sold my '86 Sprint last April with 95k on it. I'd driven it since the previous July, putting 20k miles on it. The sensor light used to light up regularly, starting about 5k miles after I bought it. My brother and I rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment, so I suppose the sensor could have used replacement. Performance (hah, if you could call it that) did not change. Perhaps emissions increased, but how much emissions could a CA-registered 3 cylinder engine produce? That was a neat car, I held the engine block easily in one hand! Has anyone ever driven the 'Turbo' variant? Just curious... Adam Edwards awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu " 2009,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. > Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. With relays alone, you will always get a transient when you abruptly turn ON or OFF any channel. If you don't want to hear the transient, use some other device (a photoresistor-output optoisolator is the usual sort of thing) to gently MUTE the signal, then switch, THEN remove the power from the lamp in the optoisolator. It used to be standard practice to employ photoresistors in switching audio, because the photoresistor time delay (a few thousandths of a second) kept any noise in the digital side (which drives the lamp) from contaminating the audio. And, the devices are cheaper than relays. John Whitmore " 2010,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 42 <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: dietz@cs.rochester.edu's message of 20 Apr 93 22:38:07 GMT In article <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: > Why Paul, it's obvious. > Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth, > as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will > :-) :-) :-) Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving dominance in the marketplace. Darn, caught by the white hot heat of technological progress again... Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the metal. Spoilsport. Hence the need for increasing fashion emphasis on anodise Ti jewelry... > Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis > in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe > the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local > use... Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) I did not evade the issue at all. I clearly stated that this would be from diabolical foresight in establishing a sheltered industrial base for the upcoming Great War ;-) Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * But, oh, love is strange * * and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, * * I suppose - B.B. 1983 * " 2011,18,"From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 14 Distribution: tx NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr13.150740.6221@iqsc.COM> rex@iqsc.COM (Rex Black) writes: >rail in Texas. Being from California, I have come to the conclusion >that one has two choices for preventing economic strangulation through >traffic: High speed rail or growth limits. > >Rex Growth limits? How will HSR help with the traffic congestion? From what I understand, the rail will not stop in places like Waco, or Bryan, or lots of intermediate places in between. Even though I live in Austin, I don't see myself using the train except on rare occasions. probably twice a year. And at $65 dollars a ticket I could probably drive for cheaper also. (even if the price of gas went up) " 2012,12,"From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: SunConnect Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com Keywords: Nuclear In article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes: > > > I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that > this board would be most appropriate. > I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that > are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders > that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the > actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called > 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? Water. Nuclear stations don't generate electricity directly from the reactor, they use the reactor to generate heat. The heat is then used to heat water just as in a conventional oil or coal station, and the resultant steam drives the turbines. The cooling towers are used to cool the steam and recondense it into water to continue the cycle Steve -- Steve McKinty Sun Microsystems ICNC 38240 Meylan, France email: smckinty@france.sun.com BIX: smckinty " 2013,11,"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA Lines: 25 In article dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes: > The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar >government equivalent to military) has been let for this ""proprietary"" >design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that >patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified. Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast as a ""classified patent."" Patents exist to encourage communications and develop the state of the art. (The 17-year lock is a nuisance, but historically has been pretty trivial. It's only in an industry which doubles performance every three years (or 18 months, for some hardware) that 17 years is an eternity). The same thing applies in civilian development: you can't patent something _and_ declare it a ""trade secret."" However, you can (and should) mark all software (including proprietary code) ""unpublished copyright"" so that it ever does get exposed you still have some legal protection. (Post-Berne this isn't required, since everything is ""born copyrighted."" But it takes a while for people to learn the new rules). -- Bear Giles bear@fsl.noaa.gov " 2014,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Cause of mental retardation? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr13.111834.1@cc.uvcc.edu> harrisji@cc.uvcc.edu writes: > >Chromosome studies have shown no abnormalities. Enzyme studies and >urine analyses have not turned up anything out of the ordinary. >MRI images of the brain show scar tissue in the white matter. >Subsequent MRI analysis has shown that the deterioration of the >white matter is progressive. > >Because neither family has a history of anything like this, and >because two of our four children are afflicted with the disorder, >we believe that it is an autosomal recessive metabolic disorder of >some kind. Naturally, we would like to know exactly what the >disease is so that we may gain some insight into how we can expect >the disorder to progress in the future. We would also like to be >able to provide our normal children with some information about >what they can expect in their own children. > It could be one of the leukodystrophies (not adrenal, only boys get that). Surely you've been to a university pediatric neurology department. If not that is the next step. Biopsies might help, especially if peripheral nerves are also affected. There are so many of these diseases that would fit the symptoms you gave that more can't be said at this time. I agree with your surmise that it is an autosomal recessive. If so, your normal children won't have to worry too much unless they marry near relatives. Most recessive genes are rare except in inbred communities (e.g. Lithuanian Jews). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2015,2,"From: bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) Subject: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? Organization: CIMLINC, Inc. - Engineering Lines: 63 Hello, I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have come across a few that look good: Zapp 1.1 from Inmark Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software C++/Views from Liant Win++ from Blaise Some considerations I'm using: Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very important. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows programming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with the native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the sake of changing the API, are valuable. Since we will be developing for the 32bit Windows NT system the memory management issues and issues particular to the Windows 3.1 API are less important. We will probably buy another C++ class library (something like Tools.h++ or Booch components from Rational) to handle data structures and other miscellaneous stuff (allocators etc...). So those features are not that important for this toolkit to have. The two that I have narrowed it down to are ZApp and Zinc, they seem to be the two toolkits that have received the most attention from the media. I was wondering if anyone had any first-hand experience with any of these toolkits (especially ZApp and Zinc). A couple of observations about these toolkits that seem particularly noteworthy are: ZApp ---- Seems to have the most extensive coverage of Windows functionality and also includes some other miscellaneous useful classes. Has new fancy 3D-style controls available, and support for custom controls. Has a Windows NT version (Essential) Redirectable graphics display/output architecture (useful for printing) Sizer class for automatically managing control layout after resize. Seems to be the newcomer, this could be an advantage in designing a better system. Zinc ---- Has a platform independent resource strategy. (Not too important for me right now) Comes with a interface builder tool Has a Windows NT version (Essential) Seems to have been around longer (more mature), but grew up out of a DOS version. Had a better demo :-) Both have source code availability options Both are lacking OLE support Neither seem to have any particular support for multimedia type stuff Any thoughts anyone has on this would be much appreciated, Thanks, Brett Harper brett.harper@cimlinc.com " 2016,15,"From: armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong) Subject: Immaterial afterlife (was Is Hell Real) Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 21 In article goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >I thought everyone who died simply went to Sheol. The notion of going to >heaven is a Christianization based on those parts of the NT that speak of >an immaterial afterlife. > > -Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet > goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer > Where in the Bible is there *any* teaching about an immaterial afterlife? I was always taught that both the O.T. Jews and the N.T. Christians would have found the notion incomprehensible--as do I. Don't we christians believe in the resurrection of the body? Or do you mean by material simply the stuff made of the 100+ elements that we know and love too much? -- Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S. Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng " 2017,19,"From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 16 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire >on their house, killing most of the people inside. We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers. -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) " 2018,16,"From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute Lines: 90 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: [deleted] [] And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better []armed if you want to hit what you aim at. [] >What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of >proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car >cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access >to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the >time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every >day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I >see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a >revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple >of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a >disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang >gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing >taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target >and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are >are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most >state cops are. Define ""armed better"". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to 3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful). A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber. - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull the trigger again. - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first, but will fire merely by pulling the trigger. - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again to rotate to the next round. - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an easy motion, even one handed. - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users. - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often lost as you realize ""hey, it's jammed!"" before starting to do anything about clearing it. - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed of employment as a revolver. - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of operation of many of them requires more training. Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex as the timer on a VCR. Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter and pay attention. I do not seek here to say ""semi-autos are junk"" merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than equipped for anything short of a riot. Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything. Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit. I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in criminal encounters is less than 5. What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple .38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway..... ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal. -- ""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. " 2019,15,"From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 7 I have been told that I seem to be very smug in my post. I appoligize if anyone felt this way. I did not at all desire to come across in that way. I was trying to express that I didn't understand his logic and that I wished him the best in his life. In Christ's Love, Bryan Whitsell " 2020,10,"From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky) Subject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!! Organization: Motorola, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.164 Lines: 24 In article <1qk0k4$itg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) writes: >Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little >easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of >each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in >the second round with all the rest they will get and tor/det getting >none. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division >but that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the >Hawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but >its better to get that far and lose than to not go. > >brian > Hopefully, a miracle (o.k. not quite a miracle, but close!) will occur and Pittsburgh will be elminated prior to the finals. If they make it again, they will probably keep the Cup. If they don't, it's the Hawks' turn! GO BLACKHAWKS!! CONGRATS TO JEREMY ROENICK FOR BEING ONLY THE 2ND HAWKS PLAYER TO POST BACK TO BACK 50 GOAL SEASONS!! Scott " 2021,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Going permanent no-mail Organization: Indiana University Lines: 8 Well, it's that time of year again here at IU: graduation. Unfortunately, this means that I am out of here, more than likely for good. I cannot say if I'll be in here under another username or not, or even if I'll ever get back in here at all. I am leaving this part of my ministry to another brother, John Right. So, have fun and remember that flaming can be considered slander. Joe Fisher " 2022,6,"From: ecsd@well.sf.ca.us (Eric C. S. Dynamic) Subject: KAWAI K-4 way el cheapo - buy or be sorry, etc. etc. Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Distribution: ba Lines: 10 Gotta pay my WELL bill - eating is of mere passing interest in comparison. KAWAI K-4 Synthesizer for $400 IF YOU ACT NOW - cash only pleeze, take delivery in Berkeley. CALL (510) 287-5737 and leave name and number for me to call back and arrange this MARVELOUS FEAST. OFFER EXPIRES SOON (how soon? Soon - believe it.) ACT NOW. Thank you for your support . . . {wheeze} " 2023,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes: >> > >I'd be willing to make two wagers: >1) Snow doesn't win ROY. >2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years. > >I'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a >player, and he is on a losing team. I don't have a history handy, but I don't recall that the preponderance of ROY's come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins. Am I wrong? And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels' staff is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments. Easley appears fine, but even if he's not Flora is ready to come up. Between Gonzales and Gruber they'll manage the hot corner. Polonia and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing. Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a winning team. -- The Beastmaster > >I'm skeptical of the second because of his back. Mattingly is 32 this >year, and how many players play until they are 40? Not too many, and >most of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32. > >Could be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to >bet... > >Cheers, >-Valentine -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 2024,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 52 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: > >Secondly, it is the adhesion of the >tyre on the road, the suspension geometry and the ground clearance of the > motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and >not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously >suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster >or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise?? If he's not, I will. Put two riders on identical machines. It's the one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster. It *may* be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is, through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology. Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human endeavor). >that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that >it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster >or better as a result, is absurd. Do you consider an understanding of the physics of traction absurd? Are you seriously suggesting that one can form a traction management policy without understanding what it is or what factors increase or decrease available traction? Braking? It is highly unlikely that any biker is going to develop his maximum swerving ability without any knowledge of turning techniques. For most of his riding life this may not be a problem, but in an emergency situation it is very definately placing him at a disadvantage. >But by including countersteering >theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at >the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn. I disagree. The existance and immense success of riding courses which teach the technique indicate that the concept can be taught in a manner that is neither confusing, nor detracts from any other aspects of the course. >And that was my original point. Perhaps, but in the ensuing discussion, you strayed far from that point, to claim that knowledge of steering technique is irrelevant to a rider's ability. I find this assertion ludicrous. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 2025,7,"From: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck) Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Organization: Bull Information Systems Inc. Lines: 16 hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: > I came upon a > train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over > the northbound lanes. [...] Just as I passed from underneath the trestle, > my radar detector went into full alert - all lights lit and all chirps, > beeps, and buzzes going strong. > Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? recently-manufactured locomotives have wheel-slip detection systems that use frequencies shared with police radar (i forget which band). these will set off your radar detector if you get close enough, though i believe the range is pretty short. BTW, railroad police sometimes use radar to check for speeding trains (just like regular police check for speeding cars), although the intent here is for safety, not revenue collection (unlike with cars). " 2026,9,"From: philly@bach.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) Subject: Let's Talk Phillies Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 20 The Phillies salvaged their weekend series against the Chicago Cubs by beating them 11-10 in a wild one at Wrigley Field Sunday afternoon. It was the Phils only win in the three game series, and was the first time the Phillies have lost a series in the young season. The Phils jumped to a 6-0 lead in the game thanks to 2 John Kruk 2-run homers and two Wes Chamberlain homers. However Danny Jackson, and the Phillies middle relief was unable to hold the lead. Mitch Williams entered the game with the Phillies leading 8-4, however Candy Maldonado hit a ninth inning homerun to tie it. In the 11th, Dave Hollins hit a three-run shot, his first of the year to push the Phils ahead to stay. However, in a shaky bottom of the 11th the Cubs scored 2 runs and had the tying runner on base when the Cubs pinch hit Randy Myers for Bob Scanlan (they were out of position players) and Myers bunted into a double play to end the game. The Phils bring their league leading 9-3 record back to action Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday against the Padres. " 2027,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen) writes: |> |> While I applaud investing of money in Yehuda, Shomron, v'Chevel-Azza, |> in order to create jobs for their residents, I find it deplorable that |> this has never been an active policy of any Israeli administration |> since 1967, *with regard to their Jewish residents*. Past governments |> found funds to subsidize cheap (read: affordable) housing and the |> requisite infrastructure, but where was the investment for creating |> industry (which would have generated income *and* jobs)? The investment was there in the form of huge tax breaks, and employer benfits. You are overlooking the difference that these could have made to any company. Part of the problem was that few industries were interested in political settling, as much as profit. |> After 26 years, Yehuda and Shomron remain barren, bereft of even |> middle-sized industries, and the Jewish settlements are sterile |> ""bedroom communities"", havens for (in the main) Israelis (both |> secular *and* religious) who work in Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem but |> cannot afford to live in either city or their surrounding suburbs. True, which leads to the obvious question, should any investment have been made there at the taxpayer's expense. Obviously, the answer was and still is a resounding no. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 2028,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 27 In article , cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes: > Craig Depken writes: > > The fact that the South had a number of slave owners is true, but > relatively small numbers (around 1200) had more than a few hundred slaves. > (I have to get references that I do not have here for > exact numbers.) > > If it has any bearing on this discussion, I saw a figure for the total > number of slave-owners as 300,000. Does anyone have a figure for how > many slaves there were? How many farmers without slaves? > > Chris Brewster E-MAIL ADDRESS: cb@cray.com In 1860: region total population free blacks % slaves % U.S. 32,227,616 487,070 1.5% 3,953,818 12.3% Confederacy 9,103,332 132,760 1.5% 3,521,110 38.7% Union Slave States 3,212,041 128,158 4.0% 432,586 13.5% All Union States 23,124,284 354,310 1.5% 432,708 1.9% Union ""Free"" States 19,912,243 226,152 1.1% 122 0.0% -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 2029,13,"From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu I seem to recall that there was an article in Radio Electronics about this subject. In fact I have a copy of the article in front of me, but I can't find anywhere in the article a refrence as to what month it was in. The system they describe uses an automobile ignition coil for the high voltage. The article even includes some information on what kind of film to use and where to get it. Hope this helps. Joseph M. Krzeszewski ski@WPI.wpi.edu " 2030,2,"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: MathCad 4.0 swap file Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: blonde.cc.utexas.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr20.175608.23949@ncar.ucar.edu>, baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) writes: > I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows > without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be > happy with this, or insist on a swap file? I just got Mathcad 4.0, and the manual is not clear on the matter. On page 8: : : * At least 4 megabytes of memory. All memory about 640K should be configured as XMS. : : * At least 8 megabytes of virtual memory.... Common sense suggests that you should be able to run it (4+8=12 < 16) but the new Mathcad is kinda kooky, and thus is not subject to the laws of common sense... Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] " 2031,15,"From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) Subject: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 224 [With Frank's permission, I have added some information here (and in one case changed the order of his contributions) in order to clarify the historical relationship of the views. My comments are based primarily on William Rusch's historical summary in ""The Trinitarian Controversy"", Fortress. I'm going to save this as an FAQ. --clh] MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY [SECOND CENTURY The writers of the 2nd Cent. are important, because they set up much of the context for the later discussions. Justin Martyr, Aristides, Athenagoras, Tatian, and Theophilus of Antioch are known as the ""Apologists"". Their theology has often been described as ""Logos theology"". Based strongly on wording in John, they took more or less a two-phase approach. Through eternity, the Logos was with the Father, as his mind or thought. This ""immanent Word"" became ""expressed"" as God revealed himself in history, ultimately in Jesus. Thus Jesus' full distinction from the Father only became visible in history, though the Logos had been present in God from eternity. Rusch regards this view is containing many of the emphases of the final orthodox position, but in a form which is less sophisticated, because it did not have the technical language to properly deal with the eternal plurality in the Godhead. Irenaeus held views somewhat similar to the Apologists. However he was uncomfortable with the two-stage approach. He still viewed God as one personage, with distinctions that did not become fully visible except through his process of self-revelation (the ""economy""). The distinctions are present in his essential nature. Irenaeus emphasized the Holy Spirit more than the Apologists. Irenaeus' views should probably be called ""economic trinitarianism"", though that term is normally used (as below) to refer to later developments. THIRD CENTURY --clh] Dynamic Monarchianism Source: Theodotus Adherents: Paul of Samosota, Artemon, Socinus, Modern Unitarians Perception of God's Essence: The unity of God denotes both oneness of nature and oneness of person. The Son and the Holy Spirit therefore are consubstantial with the Father's divine essence only as impersonal attributes. The divine dunamis came upon the man Jesus, but he was not God in the strict sense of the word. Perception of God's Subsistence: The notion of a subsistent God is a palpable impossibility, since his perfect unity is perfectly indivisible. The 'diversity' of God is apparent and not real, since the Christ event and the work of the Holy Spirit attest only to a dynamic operation within God, not to a hypostatic union. Asignation of Deity/Eternality: Father: Unique originator of the universe. He is eternal, self-existent, and without beginning or end. Son: A virtuous (but finite) man in whose life God was dynamically present in a unique way; Christ definitely was not deity though his humanity was deified. Holy Spirit: An impersonal attribute of the Godhead. No deity or eternality is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. Criticism(s): Elevates reason above the witness of biblical revelation concerning the Trinity. Categorically denies the deity of Christ and of the Holy Spirit, thereby undermining the theological undergirding for the biblical doctrine of salvation. [In summary, this probably best thought of as not being Trinitarianism at all. God is an undifferentiated one. Son and Holy Spirit are seen as simply names for the man Jesus and the grace of God active in the Church. --clh] Modalistic Monarchianism Source: Praxeas Adherents: Noatus, Sabellius, Swedenborg, Scleiermacher, United Pentecostals (Jesus Only) Perception of God's Essence: The unity of God is ultra-simplex. He is qualitatively characterized in his essence by one nature and person. This essence may be designated interchangeably as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They are different names for but identical with the unified, simplex God. The three names are the three modes by which God reveals Himself. Perception of God's Subsistence: The concept of a subsistent God is erroneous and confounds the real issue of the phenomenon of God's modalistic manifesting of himself. The paradox of a subsisting ""three in oneness"" is refuted by recognizing that God is not three persons but one person with three different names and corresponding roles following one another like parts of a drama. Asignation of Deity/Eternality: Father: Fully God and fully eternal as the primal mode or manifestation of the only unique and unitary God Son: Full deity/eternality ascribed only in the sense of his being another mode of the one God and identical with his essence. he is the same God manifested in temporal sequence specific to a role (incarnation). Holy Spirit: Eternal God only as the tile designates the phase in which the one God, in temporal sequence, manifested himself pursuant to the role of regeneration and sanctification. Criticism(s): Depersonalizes the Godhead. To compensate for its Trinitarian deficiencies, this view propounds ideas that are clearly heretical. Its concept of successive manifestations of the Godhead cannot account for such simultaneous appearances of the three persons as at Christ's baptism. [Rusch comments that evidence on these beliefs is sketchy. There are actually two slightly different groups included: Noetus and his followers, and Sabellius. Noetus was apparently more extreme. Sabellius followed him, and attempted to use some features of economic Trinitarianism to create a more sophisticated view. Unfortunately, information about Sabellius comes from a century later, and there seems to be some confusion between him and Marcellus of Ancyra. --clh] [I've moved the following description to be with the other third-century views. It originally appeared near the end. --clh] ""Economic"" Trinitarianism Source: Hippolytus, Tertullian Adherents: Various ""neo-economic"" Trinitarians Perception of God's Essence: The Godhead is characterized by triunity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the three manifestations of one identical, indivisible substance. The perfect unity and consubstantiality are especially comprehended in such manifest Triadic deeds as creation and redemption. Perception of God's Subsistence: Subsistence within the Godhead is articulated by means of such terms as ""distinction"" and ""distribution"" dispelling effectively the notion of separateness or division. Asignation of Deity/Eternality: The equal deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is clearly elucidated in observation of the simultaneous relational/operational features of the Godhead. Co-eternality, at times, does not intelligibly surface in this ambiguous view, but it seems to be a logical implication. Criticism(s): Is more tentative and ambiguous in its treatment of the relational aspect of the Trinity. [Note that this is a development of the Apologists and Irenaeus, as mentioned above. As with them, the threeness is visible primarily in the various ways that God revealed himself in history. However they did say that this is a manifestation of a plurality that is somehow present in the Godhead from the beginning. Tertullian talks of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as being three that are one in substance. Many people regard this view as being essentially orthodox, but with less developed philosophical categories. --clh] [Origen, developing further an approach started by Clement, attempted to apply neo-Platonism to Christian thought. He set many of the terms of the coming battle. In Platonic fashion, he sees the Son as a mediator, mediating between the absolute One of God and the plurality of creating beings. The Son is generated, but he is ""eternally generated"". That is, the relationship between Father and Son is eternal. It cannot be said that ""there was once when he was not"" (a phrase that will haunt the discussion for centuries). Having the Son is intrinsic to his concept of God. The Father and Son are described as separate ""hypostases"", though this may not have quite the meaning of separate subsistence that it had in some contexts. The union is one of love and action, but there is some reason to think that he may have used the term homoousios (""of the same substance""). The Holy Spirit is also an active, personal substance, originated by the Father through the Son. Origen's intent is trinitarian, not tritheistic, but he pushes things in the direction of separateness. FOURTH CENTURY --clh] Subordinationism [often called Arianism --clh] Source: Arius Major Adherents: Modern Jehovah's Witnesses, and several other lesser known cults Perception of God's Essence: The inherent oneness of God's nature is properly identifiable with the Father only. The Son and the Holy Spirit are discreet entities who do not share the divine essence. Perception of God's Subsistence: The unipersonal essence of God precludes the concept of divine subsistence with a Godhead. ""Threeness in oneness"" is self- contradictory and violates biblical principles of a monotheistic God. Asignation of Deity/Eternality: Father: The only one, unbegotten God who is eternal and without beginning. Son: A created being and therefore not eternal. Though he is to be venerated, he is not of the divine essence. Holy Spirit: A nonpersonal, noneternal emanation of the Father. He is viewed as an influence, an expression of God. Deity is not ascribed to him. Criticism(s): It is at variance with abundant scriptural testimony respecting the deity of both Christ and the Holy Spirit. Its hierarchial concept likewise asserts three essentially separate persons with regard to the Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit. This results in a totally confused soteriology. [Note also that in most versions of this view, the Son is not fully human either. He is supernatural and sinless. That distinguishes this view from adoptionism. --clh] Orthodox Trinitarianism Source: Athanasius Adherents: Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Contemporary orthodox Christianity Perception of God's Essence: God's being is perfectly unified and simplex: of one essence. This essence of deity is held in common by Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The three persons are consubstantial, coinherent, co-equal, and co- eternal. Perception of God's Subsistence: The divine subsistence is said to occur in three modes of being or hypostases. As such, the Godhead exists ""undivided in divided persons."" This view contemplates an identity in nature and cooperation in function without the denial of distinctions of persons in the Godhead. Asignation of Deity/Eternality: In its final distillation, this view unhesitatingly sets forth Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as co-equal and co-eternal in the Godhead with regard to both the divine essence and function. Criticism(s): The only shortcoming has to do with the limitations inherent in human language and thought itself: the impossibility of totally describing the ineffable mystery of ""three in oneness."" [At least in the 4th Cent, there were several different approaches, all of which fit the description here, and all regarded as orthodox, but which are somewhat different in detail. Nicea was originally held to respond to Arius. Arius can be thought of as carrying Origen's thought a bit too far, to the point of making the Son a separate entity. In general the East tended to take an approach based on Origen's, and it was hard to get acceptance of Nicea in the East. Its final acceptance was based on the work of Athanasius with the Cappadocians: Gregory of Nyssa and Gregory of Nazianzus, among others. While starting with three, they show that their unity in nature and and action is such that one must think of them as being a single God. This allowed the Council of Constantinople, in 381, to get wide agreement on the idea of three hypostatese and one ousia. --clh] Adapted from _Charts of Christian Theology and Doctrine_, by H. Wayne House. Frank -- ""If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out of a thousand."" JOB 9:3 " 2032,15,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 155 I wrote in response to dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe): >[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I >think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is >probably all that needs to be said. Was Paul a God too? Is an interpretation of the words of Paul of higher priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins Romans 14 with ""If someone is weak in the faith ..."" Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith? >I accept that Darius is doing >what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally >accept that those who ""esteem all days alike"" are similarly doing >their best to honor the Lord. Yes, but what does the Bible have to say? What did Jesus say? Paul closes Romans 14 with, ""On the other hand, the person with doubts about something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on his faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin."" Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2 Have you read the Ten Commandments which are a portion of the Law? Have you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)? >However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous >proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I >indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly clear, are they not? >The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually >about something else. They both look like they are talking about >nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says ""and they >gathered every Sunday for worship"". We get various pieces of >information, but nothing aimed at answering this question. Matt5:14-19 doesn't answer your question? >what day Christians met in their houses. Acts 20:7, despite Darius' >confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday. ... It doesn't >say they gathered to >see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread, Breaking bread - roughly synonymous with eating. >So I think the most obvious reading of this is that ""on the first day >of every week"" simply means every time they gather for worship. How do you unite this concept of yours with the Ten Commandments and Jesus's word in Matt5:14-19? >I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements >is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian >worship was. >--clh] Or, they assumed that the Ten Commandments and Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19 actually stood for something? Perhaps they were ""strong in the faith?"" --------------------------- [No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God. However Paul was writing for a largely Gentile audience. The Law was regarded by Jews at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic laws), but they are quite minimal. The issue that the Church had to face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it didn't apply to Gentiles. Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5. As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath. Thus they continued to obey the Law. The issue was (and is) with Gentile Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the ceremonial aspects of it). Jesus dealt mostly with Jews. I think we can reasonably assume that Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience. He did interact with Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a couple of others). The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke 7) suggest that he was a ""God-fearer"", i.e. a Gentile who followed God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law. He was commended by Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such. This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view that Gentiles need not accept the Law. However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on the Law. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded. Again, this issue isn't one of the abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone agrees with my reading. But the interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's important that it not be relaxed. However for Christians, it's not the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law. While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion. The quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the Law. The ""not an iota or dot"" would suggest a rather literal reading, but in fact that's not Jesus' approach. Jesus' interpretations emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial details. Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude towards the Sabbath and kosher laws. Some scholars claim that Mat 5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish discussions. Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who use them are full of extortion and rapacity. (Mat 23:23-25) This, and the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it. Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the ""ceremonial law"", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite concerned about maintaining moral standards. The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe they are talking about different aspects of the Law. Paul is embroiled in arguments about circumcision. As is natural in letters responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish ceremonies. He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards of conduct. On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later to give Paul so much trouble. It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but we should be familiar with that from current conflicts. Look at the way terms like ""family values"" take on special meaning from the current context. Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to figure out why ""family values"" should be used as a code word for opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S. I think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was involved in. Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values that go along with the term ""Law"", any more than people who concerned about the ""family values"" movement are really opposed to family values. --clh] " 2033,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 31 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL >: NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. >: Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the >: rate would be 10/100,000. A place that had 50 deaths and a population >: of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000. The former has a higher >: rate, the latter a higher total. You are less likely to die in the >: latter. Simple enuff? >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: > handgun homicides/population > ---------------------------- > Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 > UK : 8 / 55,670,000 >... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice. Because there are about 40 homicides total (i.e. using guns, knives, tire-irons, baseball bats, bare hands, etc...) in Switzerland each year and 850 homicides, total, in England. That's three times worse per capita in England than in Switzerland. Since dead is dead, it really doesn't matter that 60% of the Switz murders involved a gun or that only 0.9% of the English murderers do. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 2034,13,"From: cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry) Subject: cytoskeleton dynamics Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: Fast dynamics of cytoskeleton re: transformed cells? Keywords: cytoskeleton, microtubule, tubulin I'm looking for good background and review paper references that can help me understand the dynamics of cytoskeleton in normal and transformed cells. In particular, I'm not interested in translational behavior and cell motility, but rather in the internal motions of the cytoskeleton and its components under normal and transformed circumstances. Also, I'd appreciate any data on force constants, mechanical, and elastic properties of microtubules, and viscous properties of cytoplasm. Any other info relevant to the vibrational or acoustical properties of these would be useful to me. Thanks... Bill Christens-Barry cerulean@access.digex.com " 2035,11,"From: tarl@coyoacan.sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 17 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: coyoacan.sw.stratus.com In article kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes: >[...] >>The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex >>and pictures newsgroups at various universities. >[...] > >So what? Justices William Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, John Paul >Stevens, and Byron White are associated with [...] It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position). Ending up with pallets of baggage to drag around is a frequent problem with permanent organizations. EFF is no exception. Tarl " 2036,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 22 In <1r6ub0$mgl@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >> Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record- >>players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower >>per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems. >> >I don't think so at first, but solid state offered better reliabity, >id bet, and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up. Careful. Making statements about how solid state is (generally) more reliable than analog will get you a nasty follow-up from Tommy Mac or Pat. Wait a minute; you *are* Pat. Pleased to see that you're not suffering from the bugaboos of a small mind. ;-) -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 2037,5,"From: gowen@jade.tufts.edu (G. Lee Owen) Subject: Re: PostScript on X-terminal In-Reply-To: sp1henhj@edit's message of 22 Apr 93 14:08:31 GMT Lines: 20 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Distribution: na > I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local > on a SUN SPARCstation IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect > to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the > PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. > Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal Because xterminals do not have a NeWS server. xterminals have speed by nature of their limited functionality: once you add NeWS and everything else, you have a workstation. There are workarounds, I've heard, one involving a perl script. What we are trying to do is replace programs that need NeWS (like pageview) with programs that don't (like ghostview). Maybe someone else can elaborate on the perl workaround; I have no personal experience with it. Greg Owen { gowen@forte.cs.tufts.edu, gowen@jade.tufts.edu } Systems Programmer and TA, Tufts University Computer Science Dept. 230- All transfers are disclaimed by my host name and boss's address. 230- If you don't like this policy, disconnect now! " 2038,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 Lines: 20 From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes: Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip Hmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is derived deterministically from this serial number. That means that there are only one billion possible unit keys. Oh hell, it's *much* worse than that. You think they'll ever make more than a million of them? Serial numbers aren't handed out at random you know, they start at 1 and work up... Call it a 20 bit space maybe. G " 2039,6,"From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner) Subject: Foot switches for sale Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 11 I have 2 foot switches for sale. They're great for guitar amps, and keyboards. Each is about 1"" in diameter with a 6' (or so) cable. I'd like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows... -Jason -- Settle down, raise a family join the PTA, buy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet And party 'till you're broke and they drag you away. It's ok. Al Yankovic " 2040,14,"Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. From: thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca Organization: Alberta Research Council Nntp-Posting-Host: rhea.arc.ab.ca Lines: 13 In article , enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: <<>> > What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that > it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). > Really, really depressed. > > Enzo No need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution. " 2041,17,"From: B8HA Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes: >From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel : >> What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a >> s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza >> k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the >> way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref >> ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. > > >There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this >respect. > >Israel allows freedom of religion. > >Avi. >. >. Avi, For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is no compulsion in religion. Does Judaism permit freedom of religion (i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism). Just wondering. Steve " 2042,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: pink tools [was: Re: What is it with girlfriends and motorcycles?] Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 I ONLY Just prevented myself from diving in on this one..... " 2043,18,"From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () Subject: A demo of Nonsense Talk- and what about all the other lies? Organization: Santa Cruz Lines: 33 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu In article <15196@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >Homosexuals have been lying about the 10% number for so long that >the politicians are running scared of them. Of course, homosexuals >lying should be no surprise. > How can you lie about something that no one knows for sure. I am the first to state that the 10% figure may be too high- but it may just be too low, depending on what you are talking about. Keep in mind that there are 'practicing' heterosexuals that are actually gay. These people chose to take a road that avoids being harassed and they wanted to 'fit-in' with everyone other 'normal' person. But let's get off of this irrational behavior of calling everyone a liar, you cannot even start to support such claims. >Also, the corrupt, criminal and lying nature of Kinsey's work, which >provides much of the justification for homosexual ""rights"" in the modern >era, should make people step back for a moment and question the rest >of the crap that they have been force-fed by the news media. This sure sounds definitive. How do you label Kinsey's work like this, from that factually based and scientific journal WSJ? >-- >Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. This is an interesting statement. Do you realize how many things you do your life that are not based on 'mutual consent'- and that it may be required on occasion that all parties may not be mutually consenting? 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I don't see > why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have > any advice? Thanks. Yes. I use 74HC4066 and others commerically for this purpose so rest assured it works fine. In one case I route bit serial digital audio using these and it is difficult to see any signal degradation at all which surprised me given some pretty fast edges. HC4066 is spec'd at something like -3dB @ 200MHz into 50 ohms. The more complex types are generally a little slower and more resistive. Plain 4000 series are not so good at handling 5v logic. Remember that the output load is seen by the input device. TC. E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk " 2046,7,From: cak3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW KAUFFMAN) Subject: Car alarm info. (UNGO BOX) Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 I want to get a car alarm and I am thinking about getting an Ungo Box. Does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of these alarms? How about price ranges for the different models? Are these good car alarms? Please email me any responces. cak3@ns3.lehigh.edu Chad Chad 2047,4,"Distribution: world From: elenay_creations@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us (Anthony D. Saxton) Organization: Cyber Sanctum BBS 702.435.2179 Subject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last? Lines: 10 > > > > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops? > > They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-) And they're more like 1024x1024x8 charging & discharging capacitors in a DRAM SIMM =-) Anthony D. Saxton Elenay Creations " 2048,2,"From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.databases.ms-access Article-I.D.: rodan.1qkma9INNmbn Organization: cs.uiowa.edu Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net This is the 2nd Reguest for Discussion ( RFD ) for the creation of comp.databases.ms-access The discussion period started on April 6 and it will last until April 28, ( 22 days ). This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS. NAME: COMP.DATABASES.MS-ACCESS MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed. PURPOSE: Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a database programming language called Access Basic. THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use Access Basic to create complex databases. RATIONALE: Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical Development enviroment and its initial low price. Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices. For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions. -- Napoleon mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu " 2049,10,"From: andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan ) Subject: What are you smoking? (wasRe: My Predictions of a classic playoff year!) Organization: BGSU Lines: 59 > Norris Division > > > TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense > (series to watch!) > > CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.) > > > Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP) > *This is what kills me: > STANLEY CUP FINALS > > Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens > (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! > > Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. > Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if > that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by > Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the > owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the > disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks). > Paul > Die hard Habs Fan living with > 3 Die hard Leafs fans! ******************************************************************************* Speaking of ""die hard"", that's what I did when I read this, died hard laughing! Toronto, to the Cup finals??? First of all, has anyone on the planet heard of the team from Detroit? Al Morgani (or however you spell the idiot's name) must be from Chicago, because on ESPN, he said ""it's not even close--Chicago will definatly win the Norris Division in the Playoffs, no other team is close."" Everyone is picking Chicago! I don't get it, he says it's an ""easy choice""? God, Chicago was 1-4-1 against the Wings, and they won the division by a point or two, followed closely by Toronto, who is also a good team! As for the Leafs beating Detroit--doubt it, but even if they do, they aren't going to get by Chicago. If (even more amazingly) they get past the Hawks, they would probably face Vancouver, and lose. As for The Habs reaching the Finals, forget it. Even I, as a devoted Wings fan, will watch the Penguins easily three-peat as Cup winners. Lemieux, Jagr, Tocchet, Stevens, and Barrasso, its a done deal. Sorry Detroit, wait til next year. But hey, these were Paul's picks, and everyone has a right to their own opinnions, but the Leafs to the Finals??? Yeah. If they make it there, I'll walk to Toronto to get some tickets, and that's a 700 mile walk! --Ryan-- Detroit Red Wings--the forgotten team! Go Wings!! Let's hope the Penguins go out early!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " 2050,15,"From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR Lines: 55 In article jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) writes: >One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate >(at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No >reasonable alternative exists. The big-bang model supposes a temporal singularity at the point of origin. There was _no_ time for a prior cause to occur in. If you want to invent fables for the surrounding context, fine, but one fable is only as good as any other. Why should I prefer to believe in a God that _just_ exists, as opposed to a singularity that _just happened_, or giant puce subspace iguanas, that fling universes off their tongues like gobs of spit? |As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't |true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). >I believe the ""genetic code"" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, >but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, >reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I >can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* >technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite >having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. Just your opinion, and unfortunately wrong. Self assembling molecules have already been produced, entirely from inert matter, and have spontaneously mutated into a more rapidly assembling form on exposure to ultraviolet light. Both abiogenesis and the beginnings of evolution, TODAY. (saw this in ""Nature"", early last year.) Biological vitalism is dead, and has been dead for many, many years. Give it up. Life is not a 'spark'. Life is the self-organization of systems poised between chaos and order. >Until the King returns, > >Jason Your King baldly and repeatedly stated he would be back within the lifetime of some then present and alive. ""Soon, soon"" he said, over and over - as have many would be messiahs. It is Nineteen Ninety Three of Years Anno Domini Tell me, Tell me, where is He? Nowhere at all, Q. E. D. Max G. Webb [I should have watched this more closely. We had a discussion about the first cause, etc., not long ago. I'm not up for a replay. There was also a detailed discussion of the point Max brings up here about the initial singularity. The geometry near the big bang is very interesting. Time turns into space, so there is no ""before"". --clh] " 2051,15,"From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) Subject: Divorce Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 72 I deleted much of the following article in order to discuss the specific issue of whether it is acceptable to divorce. In article crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes: > >Along the way, she was married, happily, to a wonderful and >supportive husband and gave birth to two sons. Still, everything was not >perfect for Jane, since she could never open up the deepest part of her >soul to her husband. She always found that she could be much closer to >her women friends than to her husband, as good and loing as a husband as >he might be. She struggled very much with this until at the age of 38, she >decided that she was a lesbian. When she came home to announce this >understanding of herself, her husband told her that he had come to the same >understanding several years before and was waiting for her to come to that >realization in her own time. Her children ages 9 and 11 at the time were >also extremely supportive of her. As the youngest put it, ""that just >means that you love people very much."" Jane and her husband agreed to >divorce but remain friends and still consider each other as part of the >extended family to this day. >One of the interesting things that Jane said in this whole discussion was >""Homosexuality is not about what goes on in the bedroom."" She found that >she was much more able to have a deep, committed relationship with a woman >than a man. Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship. >The key thing is how one interconnects with other people. She made a >specific point to say that it was not that she had never met a good man, >since she was married to a wonderful man for a dozen years. (Take a few >seconds and honestly ponder that thought and it's implications!!!) I have thought about the implications, and it is scary. We have a whole generation of families broken up because some men have decided that is is okay to leave their wives and children for the thrill of a younger, more attractive woman. If we accept that it is legitimate for Jane to have divorced, how can we not accept anyone's decision to divorce because he has found someone with whom he can have a more ""deep, committed relationship."" Marriage is not a state of being, it is a mutual journey in life. Love is not a passive feeling, it must be actively willed. Is it acceptable for an older executive to dump his wife of many years who stayed home to care for the children because he can't be happy sexually unless he is with a beautiful young blonde? The real solution for both in the couple to make a renewed effort. Hold fast to the faith. Has not the Lord repeatedly compared His relation to His people as a faithful and enduring husband? We learn something very deep and very mystical when we marry and remain faithful through times of trial. My spouse has a brain tumor that has left her partially paralyzed. If it were to resume growing (it is in remission, thanks be to God!) then perhaps the time would come when we could not have sexual relations. That's life...the Lord would certainly not give me permission to seek someone else to satisfy my ""needs."" The idea that it is alright to divorce if a couple ""grows apart"" seems to me to lead to such a monstrous destruction of the meaning of marriage that I feel we must make every effort to avoid any hint of compromise. We have become so petty and small-minded that some husbands are threatening to divorce their wives unless the wives lose weight! I praise the Lord for guiding me to marry my wife. She married me anyway despite the possibility that I could have a terrible illness. And it turned out that she was the one with the brain tumor, but had I known I wouldn't have cared either. And maybe I'll be in a car accident tomorrow and become paralyzed from the neck down. A married couple should deal with these situations with the help of the Lord, not divorce and run away from them. " 2052,9,"From: amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research Lines: 31 In article , jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!) writes: |> Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago |> White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season. |> |> So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3 |> when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again |> (have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can |> play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V. |> As long as the Yankees are in the same division the Red Sox will play better than .500 baseball. Or the Red Sox can hire former East German swimming coaches to ""train"" them at the fine art of body ""building"". The Red Sox can use Chinese women swimmers as a reference. With the ""HAWK"", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to the park each day. And he has a burning desire to play in the World Series. Future Hall-of-Famer, Andre Dawson will kick butt in Boston! from Rockies country, Anthony M. Jivoin National Center for Atmospheric Research RSF/ATD - FL1 P.O. Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307 " 2053,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: Rationality (was: Islamic marriage)? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 115 In <1993Apr4.093904.20517@proxima.alt.za> lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio de Re) writes: >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >>My point of view is that the argument ""all sexism is bad"" just simply >>does not hold. Let me give you an example. How about permitting a >>woman to temporarily leave her job due to pregnancy -- should that be >>allowed? It happens to be sexist, as it gives a particular right only >>to women. Nevertheless, despite the fact that it is sexist, I completely >>support such a law, because I think it is just. >Fred, you're exasperating... Sexism, like racialism, is a form of >discrimination, using obvious physical or cultural differences to deny >one portion of the population the same rights as another. >In this context, your example above holds no water whatsoever: >there's no discrimination in ""denying"" men maternity leave, in fact >I'm quite convinced that, were anyone to experiment with male >pregnancy, it would be possible for such a future father to take >leave on medical grounds. Okay... I argued this thoroughly about 3-4 weeks ago. Men and women are different ... physically, physiologically, and psychologically. Much recent evidence for this statement is present in the book ""Brainsex"" by Anne Moir and David Jessel. I recommend you find a copy and read it. Their book is an overview of recent scientific research on this topic and is well referenced. Now, if women and men are different in some ways, the law can only adequately take into account their needs in these areas where they are different by also taking into account the ways in which men and women are different. Maternity leave is an example of this -- it takes into account that women get pregnant. It does not give women the same rules it would give to men, because to treat women like it treats men in this instance would be unjust. This is just simply an obvious example of where men and women are intrinsically different!!!!! Now, people make the _naive_ argument that sexism = oppression. However, maternity leave is sexist because MEN DO NOT GET PREGNANT. Men do not have the same access to leave that women do (not to the same extent or degree), and therefore IT IS SEXIST. No matter however much a man _wants_ to get pregnant and have maternity leave, HE NEVER CAN. And therefore the law IS SEXIST. No man can have access to maternity leave, NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES TO GET PREGNANT. I hope this is clear. Maternity leave is an example where a sexist law is just, because the sexism here just reflects the ""sexism"" of nature in making men and women different. There are many other differences between men and women which are far more subtle than pregnancy, and to find out more of these I recommend you have a look at the book ""Brainsex"". Your point that perhaps some day men can also be pregnant is fallacious. If men can one day become pregnant it will be by having biologically become women! To have a womb and the other factors required for pregnancy is usually wrapped up in the definition of what a woman is -- so your argument, when it is examined, is seen to be fallacious. You are saying that men can have the sexist maternity leave privilege that women can have if they also become women -- which actually just supports my statement that maternity leave is sexist. >The discrimination comes in when a woman is denied opportunities >because of her (legally determined) sexual inferiorities. As I >understand most religious sexual discrimination, and I doubt that >Islam is exceptional, the female is not allowed into the priestly >caste and in general is subjugated so that she has no aspirations to >rights which, as an equal human, she ought to be entitled to. There is no official priesthood in Islam -- much of this function is taken by Islamic scholars. There are female Islamic scholars and female Islamic scholars have always existed in Islam. An example from early Islamic history is the Prophet's widow, Aisha, who was recognized in her time and is recognized in our time as an Islamic scholar. >No matter how sweetly you coat it, part of the role of religions >seems, historically, to have served the function of oppressing the >female, whether by forcing her to procreate to the extent where >there is no opportunity for self-improvement, or by denying her >access to the same facilities the males are offered. You have no evidence for your blanket statement about all religions, and I dispute it. I could go on and on about women in Islam, etc., but I recently reposted something here under the heading ""Islam and Women"" -- if it is still at your news-site I suggest you read it. It is reposted from soc.religion.islam, so if it has disappeared from alt.atheism it still might be in soc.religion.islam (I forgot what its original title was though). I will email it to you if you like. >The Roman Catholic Church is the most blatant of the culprit, >because they actually istitutionalised a celibate clergy, but the >other religious are no different: let a woman attempt to escape her >role as child bearer and the wrath of god descends on her. Your statement that ""other religions are no different"" is, I think, a statement based simply on lack of knowledge about religions other than Christianity and perhaps Judaism. >I'll accept your affirmation that Islam grants women the same rights >as men when you can show me that any muslim woman can aspire to the >same position as (say) Khomeini and there are no artificial religious >or social obstacles on her path to achieve this. Aisha, who I mentioned earlier, was not only an Islamic scholar but also was, at one stage, a military leader. >Show me the equivalent of Hillary Rhodam-Clinton within Islam, and I >may consider discussing the issue with you. The Prophet's first wife, who died just before the ""Hijra"" (the Prophet's journey from Mecca to Medina) was a successful businesswoman. Lucio, you cannot make a strong case for your viewpoint when your viewpoint is based on ignorance about world religions. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 2054,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <1993Mar30.030105.26772@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >Sometime in the future diet evangelists may get off their ""our >diet will work if only the obese would obey it"" mode and do >useful research to allow prediction of which types of diet might >be useful to a given individual. > ""Diet Evangelist"". Good term. Fits Atkins to a ""T"". -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2055,6,"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) Subject: Misc Stuff for Sale Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 38 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu Misc. Items for sale: Mount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony CD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a cassette adapter in SO SO condition. Paid $45...............Asking $30. Car Speakers: Sherwood 5 1/4"" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months, 5 1/4 inch: excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40. 4 inch: Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20. Nintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land, Gameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years + games: old all in working condition, Asking $70. Accessories: Whole Internet: The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol, book: guide to using the internet, where to fing information and resources. Paid $30..........Asking $20. MicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30. Visual Basic: MicroSoft: Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100. Word for Windows: Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields fields@cis.ohio-state.edu " 2056,0,"From: chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: South Australian Regional Academic and Research Network Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: baarnie.tafe.sa.edu.au jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >My syllogism is of the form: >A is B. >C is A. >Therefore C is B. >This is a logically valid construction. >Your syllogism, however, is of the form: >A is B. >C is B. >Therefore C is A. >Therefore yours is a logically invalid construction, >and your comments don't apply. >I appeal to Mathew (Mantis) here who wrote the excellent >post (now part of the FAQ) on logical argument. >Jim B. I am not Mathew (Mantis) but any (successful) first year logic student will see that you are logically correct, the other poster is logically incorrect. -- ""I know"" is nothing more than ""I believe"" with pretentions. " 2057,6,"From: microfsh@iastate.edu (Alex Fagundes) Subject: FOR SALE: CHEAP LOGIC BOARDS!!! (update) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 67 Here's the updated list of the stuff I still have for sale. Also, feel free to make an offer. I'm asking $15 per board. Currently known Electronic mother boards from old arcade games: Game Name Condition Manufacturer ------------------------------------------------------------ -1- TenYard Fight ? Iren TenYard Fight Bad(internal short) Iren Kangaroo ? Sun Electronics? -2- Mr.Do Okay,but has interference ? Guardian Tip Top ? Sega Bank Panic ? Sega Sanritsu ? Sega *Radar Scope Okay Nintendo? -3- Poseidon ? Taito Ninjakun Bad(needs capacitor&crystal) ? Jass Rack ? Jamma Double Dribble ? -6- Zoar Okay ? Super Trivia Bad (got fried) Greyhound Electronics -9- Slither Has error message Century II Corp. -10- Music Trivia ? JALECO Samurai Fore Groud char. disapear Taito Poseidon Okay Taito -11- Ant Eater ? Tago Electronics Up n Down buzzing sound ? Tutankham Bad Konami Pro Wrestling Okay Video Trivia ? GrayHound Asteron Belt ? Sega Unknown boards Sega (1) Konami (1) Pacific Novelty Manufacturing Inc (9) (if anyone has the rom numbers for these boards, please tell me) 1 absolutely unknown board --Misc Stuff-- Somekind of powersupply(similar to atary audio reg.) ? Ram Card ? Midway Midway Patter Board Z-80 Sync Buss Controller-285 (2) Pacman Filters (16) ? Midway 50pin scsi cable(2) (both ends are female) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Alex Fagundes - Proud owner of a 76 Maverick :) and another | | microfsh@iastate.edu - believer that AMIGA rules | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2058,5,"From: jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang) Subject: Re: internationalized menus & icon labels Keywords: icon, motif, openlook Nntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov Organization: SSC Lab Lines: 15 I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm. Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great. -- Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet 2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498 Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898 " 2059,9,"From: (Sean Garrison) Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Lines: 23 In article <1qplh7$e2g@agate.berkeley.edu>, jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) wrote: > If people on USENET really don't want to see the postings I do to > rec.sport.baseball on a daily basis, please just let me know. If the response > is overwhelming against the posts, I won't do it anymore. > > Thanks for your time. > > Joseph Hernandez Mr. Hernandez Ñ- I apologize for the misunderstanding. I explained that I know that it is essential for some fans to get scores here, for they cannot get them elsewhere. I have no problem with what you do, posting scores AFTER the games have been completed. However, like I said earlier, I don't think it is a necessity to post scores during the middle of games, like some others have come to practice. - Sean " 2060,14,"From: dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) Subject: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 234 ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! This paper BOTH describes how heavenly bodys can be stationary, ether sucking structures, AND why we observe ""orbital"" motion!! Ether, the theoretical propogation media of electro-magnetic waves, was concluded not to exist, based on the results of the Michelson-Moreley experiment conducted a century ago. I propose that those conclusions are flawed, based on the fact that the experiment was designed to look for a flow parallel to the earth's surface, not perpindicular. (Due to the prevailing assumption that the earth traveled through the ether as a ball through the wind) The reversal of the that conclusion, a pivotal keystone in the development of modern scientific thought, could have ramifications of BIBLICAL proportions through out the WORLD!! REMEMBER: Einstien said Imagination is greater than knowledge!! 1 I dream like this: ether based reality The ether is like a fluid out of phase with our reality. Creations start as a lattice placed into the ether. Given a spin, the lattices both drag the fluid, like a margarita blender, and ingest it, converting it, distilling localized mass, time and energy. (non-spinning lattice = ""dark matter"") The earth isn't exactly spinning, around the sun. Picture an image of a galaxy; we haven't any videos of them spinning. Picture us being stationary, and the sun's image being dragged across the sky by the spinning ether field. (Picture an onion, each layer of which is spinning a little faster than the next. A thread shot at the inner kernel would be stretched diagonally sideways, its head being in a faster shell than its tail, until it finally intersected the ground of the inner kernel, its direction vector being straight down, but its ""foot print"" being a line, not a point. [sunrise, sunset]) The moon isn't exactly orbiting us. It is a parasite, (non self spin sustaining ) being dragged in the earth's ether field, which is itself in the sun's much more powerful field. Our seasons are the wobble of earth's axis, like a top slowing down. The ""orbit"" of the earth around the sun is all of the stars' images being dragged around by the sun's ether feild. The earth, moon and sun are about the same size and ""distance"" apart. Its just that the time between them varies greatly, because the ""path"" is not the same. The moon's lattice in the ether is like sticking a fork in a plate of spaghetti and giving the plate a half turn. The sun's lattice has so much spin that its like the fork has got the whole plate of noodles wound up. The piece of light going to the moon can slide down the spaghetti and maybe make a ""j"" hook at the end. The piece of light going to the sun has to go around the whole plate, like a needle in a record, before it gets there. With a pencil, compass, and rule, draw a diagram of how the moon can be about as big as ""earth's"" shadow upon it, and at other times totally eclipse the sun. Look in the sky. except for your Knowledge, would you guess that they are about the same size, just because they look about the same size? O . - - E O O O S E / \ M | | OR M \ _ _ / S The full moon, quarter moon etc. is the difference between rate of ether spins. What we are looking at is a rotating ""turntable view"" of the moon, only half of which is facing the sun. ( I've seen a half moon within about 120 degrees (of sky) of the sun, during the day. Try and draw that ""earth shadow."") Its only the moon's image which appears to orbit us. No matter where it is, the light part is the part facing the sun, and the dark part is the half facing away from the sun, even when it appears to be behind us. ""Light-Years"" between galaxies is a misnomer. The distance is closer to zero, as time and matter are characteristics of this phase of reality, which dissipates outward with each layer of the onion. (defining edge = 0 ether spin) What we are seeing could be essentially happening now. The ""piece"" of light may have experienced many years, but the trip could be very quick, our time. To time travel or warp space I might consider learning to de-spin myself. (phase out my mass) Good luck trying to design a propulsion system to drag around a space-time locality. (its like trying to move a balloon by shooting a squirt gun from within) To find out about all of this, I recommend studying history. I'd look in the book of life. (or holy grail etc.) Brain waves just might carry decipherable data. I'd start looking on some part of the spectra said to be unusable, due to all the background noise. (4+ billion humans?) I'd totally isolate myself, record me thinking DOG backwards, and learn to read what I got. (Microsoft Holy Grail card for Pentium!) Next, concluding that my thoughts were recorded on a non time-bound media, the ether, and that it is I who move forward (in time). I would try to temporarily locally reverse the flow, (of time, which I'd start looking for as flowing opposite magnetism, pole to pole. [Why not?]) perhaps by passing a LARGE, FLAT DC current through a two foot diameter. coil or choke or something, and seeing what I could get with my machine's receiver next to it. If you don't think you'll live to see it, consider this: QUIT PUTTING THE REPRODUCTIVE KEYS OF OTHER LIFE IN YOUR BODY! All of life's data could be written on the wind, (ether) not just our thoughts. DNA could be a little receiver or file access code. By eating SEEDS, we could be jamming our reception, or receiving plant instructions. Try eating seed bearing fruit. Maybe those Greek or biblical guys did live hundreds of years. I'm curios to see what they did and ate. Don't worry if your hair stops growing. (Maybe we don't need to eat at all, the cosmos are formed from nothing, and that is creating matter! I only need enough to bounce around. Where did the household concept 'immortal' come from? Wheat is a weed, it is programmed to pull from the soil, reproduce like hell, and then die) Warning about writing to the past: I had a little dream of being in a world, in the near parallel future, lying along a path of history which we have diverged from. There were; twelve telepathic, glowing beings, who looked like an Oscar award and who had always been, a dark one who looked like us, and then myself. The dark one was in the process of making the others into gods, (he had to teach them what that meant) by ""advising"" them in their past. Basically, he manipulated them into reproducing, and raising their children on his seed. He said that the little ones who looked different were a sub-species, meant to provide service. He carefully combed through history, rewriting it in his favor, pulling like a weed anything that compromised his control. He enticed recruits by sending them his visions, saying that there was immortality at the end of the road for only twelve souls: kill or be killed. The amount of control he could exert was finite, though, as at every change he made, a void would appear in our reality. The universe one day ended 100 meters from us: it seemed odd, but we couldn't remember how else it should be. Then some of the twelve were no more. Finally, when he could prune no more, and reality stopped just beyond his fingertips, he stepped through his portal to the past, to bask, over and over, in all that he had created. I made a few more changes, and lost my body, existing only on the wind. MORAL: Its very possible to eliminate from your reality the souls whose will's are not in harmony with yours (Golden Rule - treat others as you wish to be treated) I.E., you could end up along a lonely thread of time with murderers or flowery brown-nosers for playmates. (its not eternal, there's more than one way back) Accepting rides to the past: Once here, the one who looks like us sells rides, he can make you a Prince, or a Queen, or you can live as a god in ancient Greece. Go ahead, repeat the third grade as often as you like, Adam henry. I Hope you like inspecting your socks. Careful though, if he likes your work, but thinks you're getting wise, he can direct you to cross paths with your old self, and you'll vanish as you rewrite your own course of history, none the wiser. As we pass the point along the parallel line where he stepped back in time, his hierarchy will lose its direction. He can still make changes while he's here, its just that that is work, and with every 'adjustment', this becomes less the world he cultivated, which loosens his grip, and his organization is suddenly one branch less. But he can't see the change. The basic nature of man is good. He had to apply his hand to achieve his world. As he now tightens his hand to retain what he built, the more sand slips through his fingers. How about public computer access to the I.R.S. ? Its our country, our money, and they're spending it on us, RIGHT? Imagine this: Washington marks the next cost at 8, IRS collects 10, gives 5 to congress, and just absolutely buries 5. Congress borrows 2. The banks are making, what, a 30% margin (interest) on our government? Big corporations are ecstatic if they can do a 10% margin. What do the banks do with it? Hold some on a carrot to the world, sure, but mostly, bury it. WHY? Food production is 2% GNP?, construction 6% ? 14 hours to build your auto? The people are spending all of their time to buy back a tenth of what they produce. Have we been deceived? If we are more efficient, why is it getting harder to get by? What if the point is just to keep the people busy making widgets? In that other reality, I shouted to the twelve, ""its chaos!"" They said, ""no, its order."" He defined chaos as that which is he was not able to control. Rain forest: The problem could be that all the water in its canopy would hide the location of an indigenous people who have no language. (telepathic; and 'vanishing' the closest knowledge of death) (think of the spine as a transceiver, if it is on the ground and pointed up, you can locate it from above) These people are probably naive as children, but very, very tough to kill. Also, They should be able to tell you stories about the dark one that I talk about. They can hear him. I think that Ham and world band radio old timers might have a story to tell on this. These people would be on a different frequency than us as they aren't eating seeds. Famine relief: When I make my diet almost all whole wheat, I get a huge belly, lose muscle mass, sleep A LOT, and get sick. When I eat only fresh fruit, I get more energy, a Hollywood-flat belly, and need a lot less sleep. UN. Peace Keeping; There is fighting and killing all over. The troops go in when there is no bread on the shelf. (its OK to kill each other, just make sure there is enough to eat.) Somalia: What is disturbing is energetic, gun carrying, three foot tall sixteen year-olds, who eat nothing but some roots that they suck on. It is not so much that their growth is stunted, it is that they aren't dying at a rate of 50 of 60 years per life. Women with children, Babes in arms: Historical references to women and children as a single unit could mean that infants were not cut from the umbilical cord. (and hence, were not breast fed) I think that there may be some very interesting results to this, such as mother-child telepathy, and blue blooded infants. There are examples of this practice in the aquatic mammal kingdom to investigate. That guy is the master of illusion, and the ultimate liar. He tells it first, and then just follows the thread of time in which the people are willing to buy it. (in which he can make it so) He'll play a poker face up until he thinks he's cornered, and then he'll whine, beg and grovel. All it means to him is that you're willing to live on the ground work that he has laid, that is, that he was right, and he didn't over play his hand, and he won't need to go back and try another thread of time. You have ultimate control over your destiny, just don't live along a path that leads to a reality in which you don't want to be a part of. I don't claim to be the first to think these things, its just that the others could have been 'pruned' from our path. Maybe these thoughts given to me were laid down on the track of time, after him. " 2061,6,"From: trey@godzilla.larc.nasa.gov (Trey Arthur) Subject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\ LIFETIME MEMERSHIP /// Organization: CSC - NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla.larc.nasa.gov In article <1r3v9j$t6f@access.digex.net>, jb@access.digex.com (jb) writes: |> In article forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes: |> > |> >For sale: Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club. The |> >original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600. The |> >membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork. |> > |> Does is include raquetball? Is it good at Espree? What is the annual fee?  Since it is a Life Time membership, you won't have to worry about it until your next life. -- *************************************************************** * Trey Arthur CSC at NASA Langley * * Aerospace Engineer MS 157D, Hampton, VA 23666 * * j.j.arthur@larc.nasa.gov (804) 865-1725 * *************************************************************** " 2062,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 130 In j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes: >>If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then >>yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing >>""technically"" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did, >>that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely >>ludicrous. > >Later on, in your posting, you make reference to ""putting words >into other people's mouths""...I would suggest that your last >paragraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I, >along with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical >mistake. If you actually read what I've written, you will find >that I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well, >you're contradicting yourself. Nonsense. I quite clearly state that it was Greg that made the claim that Gainey never made an error. And he made the claim. Read below. From rec.sport.hockey Thu Apr 15 21:22:49 1993 From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Message-ID: <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> [nonsense deleted] Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. [more nonsense deleted] >>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>course, but to each his own... > >Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a >function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an >opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all >means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. Your hockey education is not my responsibility. >My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does >he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style >of play. He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey? >>go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" >>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would >>take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you >>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? >I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. >Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, >himself, in nets? Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not, why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to educate you. >Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy >Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth discussing. >I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the >>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. >first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling >that you've setup a ""You're wrong again"" macro key on your >machine. That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be sure to implement that very macro. >I would suggest that your comment: ""And when the press runs out >of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype >the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, >Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick >Duff...and so on..."" demonstrates a blanket disregard for these >individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle >down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a ""hockey god."" And Greg ate it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't know that then why are you responding? And as for ""blanket disregard for these individuals"", I can remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such ""individuals"", winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the world. >>>congenially, as always, >>> >>>jd >>> >>>-- >>>James David >>>david@student.business.uwo.ca > >>You might consider developing your own style. After all, >>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure >>that flattery is not your intention. > >C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good >laugh. Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I realized you were a complete joke. In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most of the rest of us would recognize. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 2063,3,"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: Modems and UARTs X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 33 RYAN JEFFREY BAUCOM (rjbaucom@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote: > 1) What is a 16550 UART? I don't know the exact meaning of UART, but I think it is something like Universal Arithmetic Receiver Transmitter. Normally, the older boards have a 8250 or 16450 UART on board. Those chips generate an IRQ for every char they received. The 16550 UART has an internal 16 byte buffer, so - with the right software installed - it generates an IRQ every 16 chars. > 2) What does it do for high-speed modems? > 3) Is it necessary for 14.4k or higher throughput? If you ran dos, you don't need a 16550, because dos runs only ONE task at a time and the whole cpu-power could be used for the transfer. But if you are running a multitasking OS such as OS/2, Unix, etc. ( windows ? :-) ), the cpu cannot work the whole time with one task. The result are lost characters or broken transmissions because of timeouts. > 4) Is it only for internal modems? NO. The only diffrence is that internal modems have the UART on board, whereas external modems are connected to the computer over a serial port which has the UART on board. > If you have any experience with 9600 or higher speed modems, please > let me know what you think. Also, any particular brand name reccomended, > or will a cheapo clone do just a well? I use a Zyxel1496B with a 16550UART under COHERENT 4.0. I'm very satisfied with it but I think that nearly everyone is satisfied with his own modem. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 2064,7,"From: lmann@jjmhome.UUCP (Laurie Mann) Subject: Clothing (Was Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive...]) Lines: 41 In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) writes: > This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put > their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the > back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. > Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. > Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? > Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and > a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? Oh PULLEEZE! It's not biology at all, it's clothing design. Women's clothing is generally designed to be as non-functional as possible. It's only been in the last five years or so that you could buy women's pants with pockets deep enough to carry anything in. Previously, deep pockets were virtually unknown in women's clothing. Skirts generally have better pockets now, too. Dresses, espcially fancy dresses, are still pretty hopeless. I often hand my driver's license over to my husband if we're dressed up to go out somewhere, so I don't have to be encumbered by a purse. If women consistently bought functional clothing, and boycotted the manufacturers who refuse to make functional women's clothing, I think manufacturers would tend to bow to market pressures. There's an interesting chapter in Susan Faludi's Backlash that described what happened the LAST time clothing manufacturers ignored the need for functional women's clothing. The manufactuing industry lost millions. From a woman who would rather buy men's clothing WITH decent pockets and long legs and high waists than women's clothing without.... -- ******** lmann@jjmhome.uucp (Internet) Laurie.Mann (GEnie) ********* ** Claiming that sex education leads to irresponsible sex is like ** ***** claiming that driver education leads to car accidents. ***** " 2065,9,"From: lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Distribution: na Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: |> In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: |> >In article niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: |> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for |> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as |> >>Alomar last year. |> > |> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count) |> >that you are basing this statement on? |> |> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter |> last year. |> |> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E |> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 |> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 |> This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage for Alomar is OBP. " 2066,19,"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Lines: 41 In article <8846@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>}(a) out of context; }>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep }>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? }>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. } }So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for }taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a }response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? }>BTW to David Josli: I'm still waiting for either your public }>acknowledgement of your }>telepathy and precognition (are you a witch?) or an appology and retraction. } }Can you wait without whining? To pass the time, maybe you should go }back and read the portions of my article that you so conveniently }deleted in your reply. You'll find most of your answers there. Nope: In particular: >once he realized that he had Example of telepathy? >responding Jim's threa What threat. Produce it. >Jim again, still mystified More telepathy? Or maybe just empathic telepathy, capable of determining emotional states. >Jim, trying to More telepathy. How do you know ""trying""?!?!? >Jim, preparing to Precognition? Substantiate. All this taken from your Message-ID: <8257@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. " 2067,1,"From: dr_bobo@ponton.hanse.de (Boris Pruessmann) Subject: RE: VGA-Scrolling ? Organization: Ponton European Media Art Lab, Hamburg Lines: 12 Hi ! If you want to have Soft-Scrolling on your VGA, you have to change some intern registers of the CRTC. But it is a little bit difficult to explain, so I would suggest, you take a look at ""The Programming of the EGA/VGA-Adapter"" by Addison-Wesley. You will find all useful descriptions for every available VGA-Register. -Boris --- dr_bobo@ponton.hanse.de ---> Boris Pruessmann " 2068,15,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Weirdness of Early Christians Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 58 Were the early Christians weird? Yes! So were their non-Christian contemporaries (the more familiar you are with late Republican Rome or the Pricipate, the weirder those people will seem -- forget the creative filtering done by Renaissance and Eighteenth Century hero worship.) So are modern non-Christians. And Christians. You are pretty weird, yourself, with your rather acid dismissal of Luther and of Protestantism -- and in apparently buying into a simplistic propaganda model about Catholicism *not* being faddish. Sure, it's so large that global fads take longer cycles than they do in smaller denominations (and local ones are not usually visible unless you do a lot of traveling to exotic lands :-)). May I recom- mend, as a salutary antidote to this nonsense Philippe Aries' book _The Hour of our Death_, a longitudinal study of death customs in Western [specifically Catholic] Christendom? And it won't help to escape into the obscurity of the first Christian century. Paul was pretty weird, too; as were Peter and the others in the (apparently quite weird) circle around Jesus. What I think you might find helpful is a bit more charity -- try to understand these weirdos and nutcases with the same respect and love you would expect others to show YOUR notions. We *are* commanded to love one another, after all. And Brown's book is, in fact, a heroic attempt to SEE the groupings he talks about as motivated in love and the gospel and their social contexts. (If anything, Brown is *too* heroic here -- he manages to overstrain himself at times :-)) I don't suggest that we *follow* any of these old cult paths -- and it raises hard questions from the skeptic inside me that so much of early Christianity *was* like the weird (Christian and non-Christian) cults we see today. To that extent, I think you raise a serious problem (and perhaps your phrasing is implicitly self-deprecatory and ironic.) But the first principle for *answering* these questions is respect and love for those we do not understand. And it helps to *work* at under- standing (as long as we do not get overwhelmed by revulsion and begin to withdraw our respect for them as people.) I would advise, in other words, MORE historical reading (Brown's other books are also good, most especially his bio. of Augustine; also try Robin Lane Fox's _Christians and Pagans_, maybe the Paul Veyne ed. _History of Private Life_, some of Foucault's books on sexuality in the ancient world ...) Humanity *is* weird -- we have known ONE sane person, and we killed Him. Fortunately for us, this has proved a Comedy rather than a Tragedy. Easter, 1993. (yes; this is a tad early -- our Vigil service here has been moved forward because so many churches in the area have taken to doing their own Vigils, and the seminarians must therefore worship-and-run if they are to do it here and there as well. Think of this as an Anglican fad. :-)) -- Michael L. Siemon We must know the truth, and we must mls@ulysses.att.com love the truth we know, and we must - or - act according to the measure of our love. mls@panix.com -- Thomas Merton " 2069,14,"From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp Lines: 20 In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) In article <1r2aii$ivs@access.digex.net>, prb@access (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? > >I don't know a whole lot on Proton, but given that it is a multi stage >rocket, up to 4 stages, it may not really need the Centaur, plus >it may end up seriously beating on said centaur. The Proton has been used in 2, 3, and 4 stage versions. The two stage version was used for the first 3 launches, while the 3 and 4 stage versions are used today. The four stage version is used mostly for escape (and geosynchronous?) orbits, while the 3 stage version is used for low earth orbits. Since this is the version that launched Mir and the Salyuts (and the add-on modules for Mir), as long as Centaur is smaller than Mir (which I believe it is), it should fit under the shroud. I vaguely recall that the Russians are developing a LH2/LOX upper stage for the Proton. -- Chris Jones clj@ksr.com " 2070,11,"From: kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Distribution: na Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr20.161838.13213@coop.com> felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo) writes: >pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: > >>If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...] > >Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do >with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind Can't we move the political bickering to a more appropriate group? -- Brad Kepley Internet kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu Work-days Voice (704)252-8330 -- " 2071,0,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 38 [reply to frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)] >>I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means >>when put next to the word morality. I assume its an idiom and cannot >>be defined by its separate terms. >>Give it a try. >Objective morality is morality built from objective values. From A Dictionary of Philosophy, by Anthony Flew: ""Objectivism: The belief that there are certain moral truths that would remain true whatever anyone or everyone thought or desired. For instance, 'No one should ever deliberately inflict pain on another simply to take pleasure in his suffering' might be thought of as a plausible example. Even in a world of sadists who all rejected it, the contention remains true, just as '5 + 7 = 12' remains correct even if there is no one left to count. The problem for the objectivist is to determine the status of moral truths and the method by which they can be established. If we accept that such judgements are not reports of what is but only relate to what ought to be (see naturalistic fallacy) then they cannot be proved by any facts about the nature of the world. Nor can they be analytic, since this would involve lack of action-guiding content; 'One ought always to do the right thing' is plainly true in virtue of the vords involved but it is unhelpful as a practical guide to action (see analytic and synthetic). At this point the objectivist may talk of 'self-evident truths', but can he deny the subjectivist's claim that self-evidence is in the mind of the beholder? If not, what is left of the claim that some moral judgements are true? THe subjectivist may well feel that all that remains is that there are some moral judgements with which he would wish to associate himself. To hold a moral opinion is, he suggests, not to know something to be true but to have preferences regarding human activity."" David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 2072,0,"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) Subject: Re: Idle questions for fellow atheists Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr5.124216.4374@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: > >I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world >if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population. Probably we would have much the same problems with only a slight shift in emphasis. Weekends might not be so inviolate (more common to work 7 days a week in a business), and instead of American Atheists, we would have similar, religious organizations. A persons religious belief seems more as a crutch and justification for actions than a guide to determine actions. Of course, people would have to come up with more fascinating rationalizations for their actions, but that could be fun to watch... It seems to me, that for most people, religion in America doesn't matter that much. You have extreemists on both ends, but a large majority don't make too much of an issue about it as long as you don't. Now, admittedly, I have never had to suffer the ""Bible Belt"", but I am just north of it and see the fringes, and the reasonable people in most things tend to be reasonable in religion as well. >Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a >higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The >typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the >same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the >other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn >somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, >than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it >expresses its own selfishness. > I don't bother according a higher value to my thinking, or just about anybodys thinking. I don't want to fall in that trap. Because if you do start that, then you are then to decide which is better, says whom, why, is there a best, and also what to do about those who have inferior modes of thinking. IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.) I'll argue it over a soda, but not over much more. Just my $.12 (What inflation has done...) M^2 " 2073,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 21 Robbie Po writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: >>Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... > >I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed. Why? I'm calling this Penguins ... in 6. Only that with the way things stand, the only radio game at that hour is from the Devils on WABC, 770 AM. It'd be nice to have a Sony Watchman, but ... No need to be paranoid, Robbie. Don't judge me by my geographic coordinates ... Jets over Nordiques in the final ... 7. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 2074,12,"From: blockley@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Adrian Blockley) Subject: integrated cct-type UM82C452L manufac by UMC. Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: essun1.murdoch.edu.au where can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)? What is name and address of `UMC'? Dan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Blockley ! I may say something profound Environmental science ! here one day. Murdoch University ! Western Australia, 6153 ! blockley@essun1.murdoch.edu.au ! phone 09-360 2737 ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2075,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 16 Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: : : Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that : one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much : evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed : leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ] Keith, If the issue is, ""What is Truth"" then the consequences of whatever proposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, ""What are the consequences if such and such -is- True"", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to be? Bill " 2076,7,"From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) Subject: Re: 300ZX or SC300??? Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 20 ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes: >Hi everyone, >I'm getting a car in the near future. I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. >Which might be a better choice? >Thanks for your opnion, >Danny >-- I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when you find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me.. The way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both. cheers :) Issa " 2077,10,"From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Lines: 32 In article umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes: >Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and >leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever >hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :) True, coach Matikainen is ready to keep a spot for Teemu all the way until the medal games. He wants Teppo Numminen, too. And Kurri, but for them the spots cannot be left open for too long. Esa Tikkanen we have already. Even without these players I think we have pretty good team. Young, hungry, talented guys, no old players that have got everything (except the gold). Yesterday's practise game, SWE-FIN 6-6, shows that the two world's best hockey teams ;) are in prime shape. The Finn line Riihijarvi(slightly injured)-Saarikoski-Viitakoski shined. I bet these two teams are the best in the NHL, too. Roger, Roger? What do you people think about Team Canada with Lindros, Brind'Amour, Burke, Ranford, Recchi, Dineen...? Can they beat the Finns:? Coaching news: Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified), Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara, Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks (assistant coach), Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien) FW Mikko Makela (ex-TPS) to Malmo IF. G Markus Ketterer (Jokerit) still has no contract. FW Timo Saarikoski to Jokerit, watch out for him in next week. " 2078,9,"From: vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) Subject: Detroit Tigers Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: euler.lbs.msu.edu Summary: Who can stop the roar of the Tiger's bats. Keywords: Detroit is the top offensive team in the league The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. With Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger bats will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No pitching! Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games. Then there is Henneman to close it out. Watch out Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore - the Motor City Kittys are back. " 2079,11,"From: ee92jks@brunel.ac.uk (Jonathan K Saville) Subject: Re: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where? Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 26 D. Wigglesworth (smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca) wrote: : Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public : key cryptography (such as RSA)? : I've tried various archie searches to no avail. Have you heard of PGP? I assume from your post that you have not. PGP 2.2 is a freeware RSA encryption program which includes digital signatures and comprehensive key management facilities. Most sites also keep the source code. A growing number of people are using this excellent software to encrypt (to a very high standard) their email and data. Get it before Clinton outlaws it. Two of the many sites are: rsa.com /pub/pgp soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp Hope this helps, Jon -- ------------------------ ------------------------------------- | Jon Saville | Who alive can say, 'Thou art no | | ee92jks@brunel.ac.uk | Poet, may'st not tell thy dreams?' | ------------------------ ----------- Keats, 1819 ----------- PGP 2.2 public key available upon request or by finger " 2080,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 35 In article <93105.215548U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >>>I have been at a shooting range where >>>gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. >In article <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: >>How do ""we"" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops >>or even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes? > >""We"" know because the area that the gun shop/shooting range is in is right on >the border of the west side of Chicago. That is a gang infested area. So? Kratz was there - does that mean that he's a gang member? Even in the most gang-infested areas, most of the residents ARE NOT gang-members. >that only minorities have gangs? Not so. As far as the quotes are concerned >it was totally obvious that they weren't just practicing for marksmanship. How was it obvious? Were they not trying to hit the target? Or, does Kratz confuse ""marksmanship"" with ""trying to simulate a post""? If so, that excludes self-defense shooting, but the rest of us understand that that exclusion would be an error. (It excludes a lot of legit ""gun games"" as well.) >don't know about you but I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by >taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting. Sounds like practical pistol or maybe IPSC. It also sounds like how a self-defense shooter might well practice. The only things that action excludes are hunting and ""like a post"" shooting. Kratz should get out more often. -andy -- " 2081,15,"From: jerryb@eskimo.com (Jerry Kaufman) Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Lines: 27 The concept of God as a teacher is indeed interesting. Does He grade on a curve, does He cheat? That is interesting. Not to mention thought provoking. My own concept is that He is a Father and we are His children. In that He loves us, with a love that we can never understand until we are with Him. The Bible says that He looks on the heart as the final measure. From that perspective, in a grading context, the heart is the final test. Specifically, most Christians would agree that there is only one Heaven and one Hell. From that perspective, it is Heaven or Hell. You either go to one or the other. The ""grading"" on a pass/fail basis is done by God the Father with intervention by Jesus the Son. Not by others. For only God sees the heart. The Bible says of the heart, ""...who can know it."" I would say there has always been, and always be, an unchanging method. That is what makes a relationship with Christ so secure. In an uncertain and ever changing landscape He is always the same. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. Concerning whether or not our childhoods are considerd as part of the test, my own conviction is no. Were that the case I certainly wouldn't be going to Heaven. The Bible speaks very plainly about the love and care Jesus had for and about children. The reality is that we are all children. Some of us just have bigger bodies and grey hair. But the Father, our Father is always there. Like most Fathers He wants only the best for His own. There maybe decipline, but there is more love. It's sometimes looks like Christianity is a test, to see who makes it and who doesn't. Those who do pass=Heaven, and those who don't go to the other place. But it is really much more than that... There are few experts. Most of us are just travelers looking for the light and the way Home. Praying that we can bring others with us. " 2082,4,"From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall) Subject: Re: New Duo Dock With Processor: Here's Why Article-I.D.: netcom.mspaceC5315y.EwA Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 31 an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) writes: >""Why would Apple release a Duo Dock with a processor of its own?"" >Here's why- People have hounded Apple for a notebook with a 68040 processor >in it. Apple can't deliver that right now because the 040 saps too much >power, radiates far too much heat, and is too large for a notebook. How >does one get around that without designing a new chipset? Use existing >PowerBook technology to your best advantage. The Duo Dock gives Apple a >unique ability to give users that 040 power in a ""Semi-Portable"" fashion. >By plunking the 040 into the Dock, you've got ""quadra"" power at your desk. >On the road, that 33mhz 68030 should be able to handle most of your needs. >Okay, not the BEST solution, but its an answer to a no-win situation. :-) >So, does this mean one will be able to use the PowerBook's processor in >parallel to the dock's processor? Okay, we're getting REALLY hypothetical >now... It would also be great for another reason - when not docked, it could serve as an ARA server to the large internal HD, your corporate email, etc. In a pinch, you would also have two machines, instead of 1.5. If they could couple that thought with RocketShare, and let you use both the '030 on the PB and the '040 on the dock, it would be a mighty powerful dock. -- \ | / | Brian Hall mspace@netcom.com - : - | Mark/Space Softworks Applelink: markspace /|\ | America Online: MarkSpace |-+-| | /-\|/-\ | Do Not Disturb: I'm on a mission from EggHead. " 2083,13,"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: Water supplies vulnerable to Milwaukee-type disease outbreak Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 182 Here is a press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council. New Data Show About 100 Major U.S. Water Supplies Vulnerable To Milwaukee-Type Disease Outbreak To: National Desk, Environment Writer Contact: Erik Olson or Sarah Silver, 202-783-7800, both of the Natural Resources Defense Council WASHINGTON, April 14 -- Internal EPA data released today by the Natural Resources Defense Council reveals that about 100 large water systems -- serving cities from Boston to San Francisco -- do not filter to remove disease-carrying organisms leaving those communities potentially vulnerable to a disease outbreak similar to the one affecting Milwaukee. The EPA list is attached. ""These internal EPA documents reveal that the safety of water supplies in many American cities is threatened by inadequate pollution controls or filtration,"" said Erik Olson, a senior attorney with NRDC. ""Water contamination isn't just a problem in Bangladesh, it's also a problem in Bozeman and Boston."" ""As of June 29, 1993, about 100 large surface water systems on EPA's list probably will be breaking the law. The 1986 Safe Drinking Water Act requires all surface water systems to either filter their water or fully protect the rivers or lakes they use from pollution,"" Olson continued. Some systems are moving towards eventually implementing filtration systems but are expected to miss the law's deadline. Olson pointed out that the threat of contamination is already a reality in other cities. A 1991 survey of 66 U.S. surface water systems by water utility scientists found that 87 percent of raw water samples contained the Milwaukee organism cryptosporidium, and 81 percent contained a similar parasite called giardia. Adding to the level of concern, a General Accounting Office study released today by House Health and Environment Subcommittee Chairman Henry Waxman indicates serious deficiencies in the nation's system for conducting and following through on sanitary surveys of water systems. ""This new information raises a huge warning sign that millions of Americans can no longer simply turn on their taps and be assured that their water is safe to drink. We must immediately put into place programs to protect water sources from contamination and where this is not assured, filtration equipment must be installed to protect the public,"" Olson noted. ""The time has come for many of the nation's water utilities to stop dragging their feet and to aggressively protect their water from contamination; consumers are prepared to pay the modest costs needed to assure their water is safe to drink."" NRDC is a national non-profit environmental advocacy organization. Systems EPA Indicates Require Filtration and Do Not Adequately Protect Watersheds CONNECTICUT Bridgeport Bridgeport Hydraulic Co. MASSACHUSETTS Boston H2O Resource Author (MWRA) Medford MWRA-Medford Water Dept Melrose MWRA-Melrose Water Dept Hilton MWRA-Hilton Water Dept Needham MWRA-Needham Water Division Newtoncenter MWRA-Newton Water Dept. Marblehead MWRA-Marblehead Water Dept Quincy MWRA-Quincy Water Dept Norwood MWRA-Norwood Water Dept Framingham MWRA-Framingham Water Div Cambridge MWRA-Cambridge Water Dept Canton MWRA-Canton Water Div-DPW Chelsea MWRA-Chelsea Water Dept Everett MWRA-Everett Water Dept Lexington MWRA-201 Bedford (PUO WRKS) Lynn MWRA-Lynn Water & Sewer Co Malden MWRA-Malden Water Division Revere MWRA-Revere Water Dept Woburn MWRA-Woburn Water Dept Swampscott MWRA-Swampscott Water Dept Saugus MWRA-Saugus Water Dept Somerville MWRA-Somerville Water Dept Stoneman MWRA-Stoneman Water Dept Brookline MWRA-Brookline Water Dept Wakefield MWRA-Same as Above Waltham MWRA-Waltham Water Division Watertown MWRA-Watertown Water Division Weston MWRA-Weston Water Dept Dedham MWRA-Dedham-Westwood District Winchester MWRA-Winchester Water & Sewer Winthrop MWRA-Winthrop Water Dept Boston MWRA-Boston Water & Sewer Co S. Hadley MWRA-South Hadley Fire Dist Arlington MWRA-Arlington Water Dept Belmont MWRA-Belmont Water Dept Clinton MWRA-Clinton Water Dept Attleboro Attleboro Water Dept Fitchburg Fitchburg Water Dept Northampton Northampton Water Dept North Adams North Adams Water Dept Amherst Amherst Water Division DPW Gardner Gardner Water Dept Worcester Worcester DPW, Water Oper Westboro Westboro Water Dept Southbridge Southbridge Water Supply Co Newburyport Newburyport Water Dept Hingham Hingham Water Co Brockton Brockton Water Dept MAINE Rockland Camden & Rockland Water Co Bath Bath Water District NEW HAMPSHIRE Keene City of Keene Salem Salem Water Dept VERMONT Barre City Barre City Water System Rutland City Rutland City Water Dept NEW YORK Glens Falls Glens Falls City Yorktown Hts Yorktown Water Storage & Dist Rochester Rochester City Henrietta Henrietta WD Rochester MCWA Upland System Rochester Greece Consolidated New York NYC-Aquaduct Sys (Croton) Chappaqua New Castle/Stanwood WD Beacon Beacon City Mamaronek Westchester Joint Water Works PENNSYLVANIA Bethlehem Bethlehem Public Water Sys Johnstown Greater Johnstown Water Auth Lock Haven City of Lock Haven-Water Dept Shamokin Roaring Creek Water Comp Harrisburg Harrisburg City Hazleton Hazleton City Water Dept Wind Gap Blue Mt Consolidated Apollo Westmoreland Auth Fayettville Guilford Water Auth Humlock Creek PG&W-Ceasetown Reservoir Springbrook PG&W-Waters Reservoir Wilkes Barre PG&W-Gardners Creek Wilkes Barre PG&W-Hill Creek Wilkes Barre PG&W-Plymouth Relief Altoona Altoona City Auth Tamaqua Tamaqua Municipal water Waynesboro Waynesboro Borough Auth Pottsville Schuykill Co Mun Auth VIRGINIA Covington City of Covington Fishersville South River Sa Dist-ACSA SOUTH CAROLINA Greenville Greenville Water Sys MICHIGAN Sault Ste Marie Sault Ste Marie Marquette Marquette MONTANA Butte Butte Water Co Bozeman Bozeman City CALIFORNIA San Francisco City & County of San Fran NEVADA Reno Westpac IDAHO Twin Falls Twin Falls City WASHINGTON Aberdeen Aberdeen Water Dept Centralia Centralia Water Dept -30- -- Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ndallen@r-node.hub.org " 2084,19,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: Are atoms real? (was Re: After 2000 years blah blah blah) Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 15 Petri and Mathew, Your discusion on the ""reality"" of atoms is interesting, but it would seem that you are verging on the question ""Is anything real"": that is, since observation is not 100% reliable, how can we say that anything is ""real"". I don't think this was the intention of the original question, since you now define-out the word ""real"" so that nothing can meet its criteria. Just a thought. Brian /-|-\ PS Rainbows and Shadows are ""real"": they are not objects, they are phenomenon. An interesting question would be if atoms are objects (classical) or phenomenon (neo-quantum) or what? " 2085,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr19.211406.22528@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) writes: > According to the SJ Murky News the Team USA roster is (names and > teams played for in 1992-93 listed): > > Goalies > ------- ........ > Forwards > -------- > Tony Amonte New York Rangers > Ted Drury Harvard Univ > Rob Gaudreau San Jose' Sharks > Craig Johnson Univ of Minnesota > Jeff Lazaro Ottawa Senators > Mike Modano Minnesota North Stars > Ed Olczyk New York Rangers > Derek Plante Univ of Minnesota-Duluth > Shion Podein Edmonton Oilers > David Sacco Boston University > Darren Turcotte New York Rangers > Doug Weight Edmonton Oilers > It looks like the Edmonton Oilers just decided to take a European vacation this spring... Ranford, Tugnutt, Benning, Manson, Smith, Buchberger, and Corson are playing for Canada. Podein and Weight are playing for the US. Is Kravchuk playing for the Russians...I know he had nagging injuries late in the season. Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the New York Rangers. Gerald " 2086,8,"From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: Yamaha vs Honda opinions Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 8 I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years). The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583. I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain. Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences " 2087,14,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 2088,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 34 In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: >Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there: > >1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr. >Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting >water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory). Yes. As long as the goverment over there can force some authority and prevent terrorists attack against Israel. > >2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan >temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so >many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary, >let's hear it. Sinai had several big cities that were avcuated when isreal gave it back to Egypth, but for a peace agreement. So it is my opinin that the settlers will not be an obstacle for withdrawal as long it is combined with a real peace agreement with the Arabs and the Palastinians. > >Steve > Naftaly --- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 2089,2,"From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) Subject: SUMMARY: Borland/Microsoft Database C Libraries Organization: Orbital Engine Company Lines: 384 Well, I'm amazed at how successful this exercise was. I received 20 responses and 4 requests for summary. Thanks to everyone who made it possible. On my own I was able to find out about Codebase, Accsys, and Q+E. Codebase and Accsys are C libraries without SQL. Q+E is a Windows application that can be communicated through Windows DDE calls, where you send a SQL string and receive the results. Most people wrote to tell me about the Paradox Engine from Borland. Other products mentioned were: Microsoft's ODBC, Accsys, Quadbase, Codebase, RBASE, and Q+E. Only ODBC, Quadbase, RBASE, and Q+E have SQL. For myself, I decided on Codebase, mostly because it has an ANSI C portability version that runs under DOS, UNIX, etc, and includes the source code, and portability is important in my application. It works with DBASE, FoxPro, or Clipper files. However, I feel that Microsoft's ODBC looks very promising. It's mostly a formalisation of building and submitting SQL queries, and formatting query results. As the responses say, it's available via ftp, except it's effectively unusuable without two manuals: the ""ODBC Programmer's Reference"" and the ""ODBC SDK Guide"". Moreover, ODBC doesn't actually interpret SQL and liase with databases, that's up to drivers that should be provided by database manufacturers. Also, it's Windows only (it's actually an extension to the Windows SDK). Nevertheless, it's a start at a SQL interface standard, and should make life interesting in the future. Here's my original post, followed by the responses, separated by a line of asterisks (*). > Does anyone know if Borland or Microsoft have libraries for accessing > their respective databases (Paradox, FoxPro) from within C programs? > I'd really like to be able to build a SQL query string and pass it > to a function which returns the query results in some format. Failing > that, any other access would still be better than nothing. > > I'd also like to hear of third party libraries for doing the same thing. > > If other people are interested, I'll prepare a summary of what I'm > told and post it. > > Thanks to all. **************************************************************************** Borland has a product called Paradox Engine that does just what you want. The current version is 3.0, which is fully compatible with (ack) Paradox 4.0. (Why the versions are different, I don't know. PD Engine 2.0 was compatible with Pdox 3.0 and 3.5...). It consists of a rather broad library of functions for accesing database files from both Pascal (I think turbo Pascal 5.5 and up) and C (I think either Microsoft or Borland). Now.. reading the box... it's ""Borland Paradox Engine & Database Frameworks"". Works with any Borland C/C++, Mocrosoft C 6.01 or later, Turbo C++ for Windows, Turbo Pascal 6.0 or later, TP for Windows 1.0 or later. For Framework applications, BC++ 3.0 or later or MS C/C++ 7.0. It does have support for object useage... I haven't had a real chance to really use it myself... but it looks fairly complete... I'm planning to use it this summer. -Rick -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Osterberg osterber@husc.harvard.edu 617-493-7784 617-493-3892 | | 2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center Cambridge, MA 02138-7510 USA | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ **************************************************************************** Borland has a product which is called Paradox Engine. I do not know about MS. The paradox engine I know very well, and it definitiely not a replacement for SQL, but it will enable you to save and restore records, has locking, et al. Supposedly the Paradox for Windows was impemented on top of it. --------------------------------------------------------- Charles Parker Phone.(800) 669 9165 Technical Support (617) 498 3321 CenterLine Software, Inc. Fax.(617) 868 6655 cparker@centerline.com cyberspace momma, don't let yer children grow up to be ^ cowboys ... --------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************************** I know Borland has a library of routines for accessing PARADOX from within a C program. They recently came out with version 3.0. This works with both Borland and Microsoft's C compiler. shailesh bhobe (708) 979-7101 att!psp!smb2 **************************************************************************** MS has put their ODBC SDK into the public domain; it's _big_ (I believe 1.8 MB), but worth downloading over a fast link. Look at ftp.uu.net in vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk. Also some companies are starting to provide SQL engines; I just got one for RBASE, not exactly cheap at $450, but it allows programs in C or VBASIC (under DOS or Windows) to talk to data bases using SQL functions in your code. hth Walter Knopf Fermilab knopf@fnal.fnal.gov **************************************************************************** Check out the ODBC toolikt from Microsoft. It is available on ftp.uu.net:vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk. This is the way that we've chosen to access databases from all of our apps. mj -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | PPPPP SSSSSIIIIII Specialists in MS-Windows and Windows-NT Development | | PP PPSS II Call for information about our OOA/OOD tool: OOAiD. | | PPPPP SSSS II Michaeljon Miller mikem@apertus.com | | PP SS II Proficient Solutions, Inc. 612-860-2181 | | PP SSSSS IIIIII 2877 Holmes Ave So. #5 Minneapolis, MN 55408 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ **************************************************************************** Borland sells the ""Paradox Engine"" which is a C language interface to Paradox, dBase, Btrieve, ans ASCI files. They also sell ""Database Frameworks"" which includes the engine plus a collection (with source) of C++ classes for using the engine. -- Earl Roethke eroethke@ems.cdc.com **************************************************************************** I actualy have Paradox Engine. It is a library of functions (large model) for accessing the Paradox's databases. It seems to be working fine, but I never did try it thouroughly. It costs ~200$. Hope it will help you... From: David Lefebvre **************************************************************************** Borland provides a database lib called Paradox Engine which can access and use the database files aswell as many other things. Gary. -- ``````````` bell@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au ````````````````````````````````````` | Gary Bell | | Department of Robotics and Digital Technology | |Faculty of Computing, Caulfield Campus, Monash University, Australia | **************************************************************************** Paradox Engine is the library for Paradox . Artur Babecki artur@ii.uj.edu.pl **************************************************************************** Borland sells the Paradox Engine -- which has all the Paradox calls in it. Its hardly SQL though. You can do searches on key fields and on indivual fields, but no comparison operators like <, >=.... so its pretty painful (in my opinion) do do anything besides simple retrieval and inserts/updates. I'm currently using it (I have an eval copy..) and I've linked it in to some entry screens I've written. The Engine library adds about 100K to the size of the program, but you can load it as an overlay using Borland's VROOM manager. Now Borland claims that later versions of the engine will have SQL support but they don't really expect it till late in the year... or even next year They are trying to get thrid parties to help out.. If you have any other questions -- let me know... Mike Kamlet mike@vpnet.chi.il.us **************************************************************************** Yes, borland sells their Paradox Engine separately. It has C, C++, and Pascal interfaces, although the underlying interface is in 'C'. Well at least for version 2.0 of the Engine which I have (costed $99 at Egghead). They now have version 3.0 of the engine, and a separate C++ class package for it. -- Michael D. Kersenbrock ADC Kentrox - Portland, Oregon michaelk@kentrox.com uunet!kentrox!michaelk **************************************************************************** I've used AccSys for Paradox (new version is almost ready for Paradox 4.0) to access Paradox files from C. Its pretty good. Not SQL though. Have heard of Borland Paradox Engine or some such which is supposed to do likewise, but not sure of what it is exactly. Hope this helps, good luck! chris From: fernand@slinky.cs.nyu.edu (Christopher Fernandes) **************************************************************************** Borland sells their ""Paradox Engine (3.0)"". It's a library of functions for accessing paradox DB files. It comes with libraries for: MS C 7.0 BCC 3.1 Turbo Pascal (v??) and I believe it comes with Turbo Pascal/Win libraries as well. The C libraries come in both DOS and Windows flavors (the win stuff being dll's). When I got it, it also came with Crystal Reports which is a graphical report generator. It allows you to create a generic form and use it within a compiled program using Pdox Engine. I don't know if they still offer it or what the current price is, I paid something like $50-$60 for an upgrade from the earlier version though... Hope this helps... -David Taylor --- | ->> The Commander <<-- | It is easier to change the | |Internet: gt2847c@prism.gatech.edu| specification to fit the program | | Also: dtaylor@cfd.gatech.edu | than vice-versa. | | And: root@cfd.gatech.edu | -Author Unknown (but very wise :-) | **************************************************************************** If you want to do SQL from within your programs, check out QuadBase. I don't have their address oops -- yes I do! : QuadBase Systems, Inc. 790 Lucerne Dr #51 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (USA) phone: 408-738-6989 (voice) 408-738-6980 (fax) Ask for the SQL/Win demo disk. It looked good to me (I have a background in embedded SQL in Ingres -- this looked real similar). It's a little expensive, but if you order the demo and then just wait they will probably send you a special offer that'll probably run about $500 US. Good luck! Best, Tom DeLosh From: delosh@emunix.emich.edu (Tom Delosh) **************************************************************************** Borland has the Paradox Engine library. It has libraries for both C and Pascal to access Paradox files under DOS/Windows. But for Paradox, I believe you'd have buy have the SQL Link since Pdox itself isn't SQL compliant. I've used the engine for over a year now and have been pretty satisfied with it. Under DOS, it's a real pig. It tacks on about 120K to the size of your programs. tim ma associate programmer university of utah email: tim@src.cppa.utah.edu **************************************************************************** I don't know about Microsoft, but Borland sells the Paradox Engine for C/C++ & Pascal (in one package). And if you want dBase compatible files there is a library called CodeBase from Sequiter software that works with C/C++. From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray) **************************************************************************** We're using Q+E database libraries to do what you describe. It's a set of DLL's accessed through a common API to talk to most of the major database formats. We're using it to build an application that queries several databases using SQL queries. _All_ access using Q+E is done using SQL. The package is available through Microway in Melbourne. I believe it is produced by Pioneer Systems in the US. We have no association with Microway or Pioneer Systems other than being satisfied customers. Feel free to mail me for further information. Chris (Programming for NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Hutchinson Box U302 Research Programmer University of New England chris@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU Armidale NSW 2351 (067) 727 014 **************************************************************************** Paradox Engine 3.0 provides a complete set of C libraries for accessing Paradox tables. However, it seems that it supports only Borland/Turbo C and MicroSoft C. When I tried to compile the engine's sample applications with the Waterloo WATCOM C/C++ (32-bit) compiler, it complains that the library file LLIBCE.LIB is missing even though I am quite certain that the file is NOT part of WATCOM C or the engine. Anybody have any success with other C compilers? Ron.K.Ng@hydro.on.ca -------------------- **************************************************************************** I'm currently developing an app. with Borland's ""Paradox Engine for C"" (it also comes in Pascal), which has recently gone to version 3.0 (I.e., PX Engine 3.0 is compatible with Paradox 4.0, and downward compat. w/3.5). There are indeed C libs for Fox access, but I can't think of the names offhand - I'm sure someone has already written you in that regard - (I think I just saw an add for a Fox lib in the ""C Users Journal"", which is a good place to look for this type of package in general, by the way). I've been paying my dues to learn a lot of the quirks of PX Eng. over the past year - wouldn't recommend it for a complex multiuser app.--but I'm staying with it for now--it's like a bad marriage: I've got too much time invested in learning and work-arounds! But if your interest is limited to a simple single-user interface (you want to build your own SQL engine, I take it), PX Engine will do the job easily - it doesn't sound like you'll be bumping into any of the gotchas. If you do, write me; I may be able to point you in the right direction. From: raymond@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (raymond) **************************************************************************** Borland has a ""Paradox Engine and Database Framework 3.0"" which gives you a ""C"" (and assembler?) API to Paradox databases. This is part of ""BOCA"" -- Borland's Object Component Architecture. They have technical briefs on BOCA, PdoxEng, and other products of theirs. From: jdm@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (James D. McNamara) ------------------- James D. McNamara | TASC -------------------- 55 Walkers Brook Drive | Reading, MA 01867-3238 | 617-942-2000x2948 **************************************************************************** -- John Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu Opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation. " 2090,7,"From: carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com Subject: 1993 Infiniti G20 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 26 I am thinking about getting an Infiniti G20. In consumer reports it is ranked high in many catagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars. Mitsubushi Galant was second followed by Honda Accord). A couple of things though: 1) In looking around I have yet to see anyone driving this car. I see lots of Honda's and Toyota's. 2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993 version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's. I guess my question is: Is this a good deal? Also, Can anyone give me any feedback on Infiniti? Thanks, Carl Hoffman P.S. The other cars that I have test driven and which are in the running are: Mitsubishi Galant, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camary " 2091,19,"From: hall@boi.hp.com (Hal Leifson) Subject: Re: [lds] kermit's reply [was: Re: Tony Rose was : FREE BOOK OF MORMON Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 83 Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: : (lots of stuff about the Nicene Creed deleted which can be read in the original basenote. I will also leave it up to other LDS netters to take Mr. Weiss to task on using Mormon Doctrine to declare the difinitive word on what the LDS Church teaches as doctrine. Hopefully the LDS netters will be amiable in their explanation.) Since it would do no good to rebut what Mr. Weiss has stated on the origin of the Nicene Creed and its status as devine and inspired (I say ""no good"" because it cannot be proved through discussion or debate as to whether or not the authors of the Creed were inspired), I leave you (it will be some time before I post again) with the following thought authored by Eugene England, Professor of English at Brigham Young University. Mr. England wrote the following as part of a book review section in This People's magazine (Spring 1993 edition): ""I conclude with a little sermon because I believe we will not be a Mormon-- or human--family until we can get over labeling and rejecting each other with terms like feminist or patriarchal, liberal or conservative (Christian or non-Christian -- Hal 8^). When we are tempted to draw a circle around a set of beliefs and traditions and styles and call it American, then exclude those who don't fit, it may be well to consider that perhaps the most central defining characteristic of a good American might be ""one who doesn't draw exclusive circles"" -- that the surest way of excluding ourselves from the central American ideal is by excluding others. And when we are tempted to draw a circle around ""Mormon"" or ""Christian,"" to decide who is ""orthodox"" and who isn't by how much they agree with us, it might be well to consider that the central pillar of Christ's ""orthodoxy"" is our ability to love unconditionally those who are different and include them in our family. ""I recently spent some time in a ""Christian"" bookstore in California. The service was excellent, the clerks and customers all smiling, neat, and well-scrubbed, and there were the expected wholesome offerings of scriptural commentaries, sentimental fiction, and collections of evangelistic sermons. But I was dismayed to find how much shelf space was given to attacking others, often viciously---whether the political left, our modern American culture, or other religions. A whole section was devoted to ""Cults and the Occult,"" and as you might expect, Mormonism was right there under the same rubric and indictment (often by the same authors) as Satanism. And I found I could either rent or buy (in English or Spanish) copies of The God Makers (that absurdly inaccurate, even libelous, but very popular and dangerous anti-Mormon film that uses exaclty the same techniques and even accusations of the Nazi films that scapegoated Jews in the 1930s). ""It seems to me one major indication that a person is a genuine convert to Christ and his redemptive love is his lack of paranoia and anxiety (""Perfect love casteth out fear,"" I John 4:18). I have always been pleased that the LDS Church has not engaged in attacks on other faiths, though I find a disheartening increase in willingness of individual Mormons to engage in the same kinds of stereotyping and scapegoating---and even threats of coercive action---as the ""religious right wing"" has launched this year against the political left and American cultural and religious styles they don't like. It is a fearful irony that in so doing Mormons take common cause with the very people who have most slanderously attacked Mormons---people who would, if they had power, forcefully restrict Mormons' rights along with those of others they believe to be evil."" The above ""sermon"" was addressed to the LDS audience who usually subscribe to This People's magazine, but would certainly apply to all of us who rely on the mercies and grace of Jesus Christ to bring us back into His arms. Even though the LDS Church claims devine authority to exercise the principles of the restored gospel---as in the days of Christ, the Church does not claim perfection and infallibility in how those with authoritative status have or do now lead the Church. I, for one, do not wish to be labelled ""Christian"", if those who profess themselves as Christians attack my beliefs because they are intollerent (for example) of the way my religion may interpret Biblical scriptures of the same source to have a different meaning and implication than mainstream Christianity would give it. Once again, being in the majority does NOT in and of itself PROVE anything except that your collective voice is louder. That's really all the critics of the LDS Church have to stand on in terms of the kind of Biblical interpretation used as proof to counter the LDS Church' interpretation! Using someone elses biased research of truths and non-truths (whose to say what the mixture is?) as an authoritative tool to disprove or discredit is not being fair to anyone, least of all themselves. Let us simply agree to disagree, and share beliefs through adult discussion and conversation, thereby uplifting everyone. Hal Leifson -- signing off! " 2092,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Suggestion for ""resources"" FAQ In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 34 >DATE: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 15:01:10 GMT >FROM: Bruce Stephens > >I think a good book summarizing and comparing religions would be good. > >I confess I don't know of any---indeed that's why I checked the FAQ to see >if it had one---but I'm sure some alert reader does. > >I think the list of books suffers far too much from being Christian based; >I agree that most of the traffic is of this nature (although a few Islamic >references might be good) but I still think an overview would be nice. One book I have which presents a fairly unbiased account of many religions is called _Man's Religions_ by John B. Noss. It was a textbook in a class I had on comparative religion or some such thing. It has some decent bibliographies on each chapter as a jumping off point for further reading. It doesn't ""compare"" religions directly but describes each one individually and notes a few similarities. But nothing I have read in it could be even remotely described as preachy or Christian based. In fact, Christianity mercifully consumes only 90 or so of its nearly 600 pages. The book is divided according to major regions of the world where the biggies began (India, East Asia, Near East). There is nothing about New World religions from the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas, etc. Just the stuff people kill each other over nowadays. And a few of the older religions snuffed out along the way. If you like the old stuff, then a couple of books called ""The Ancient Near East"" by James B. Pritchard are pretty cool. Got the Epic of Gilgamesh, Code of Hammurabi, all the stuff from way back when men were gods and gods were men. Essential reading for anyone who wishes to make up their own religion and make it sound real good. " 2093,5,"From: ian@csc.liv.ac.uk (Ian Finch) Subject: Which X events are generated on application exit? Organization: Knee Deep in Sky High Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: rib.csc.liv.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] I'm writing an application running under X (using Motif), and I need to do some stuff when the application quits. Now, when I shut down my X Windows session, it doesn't seem to send a SIGTERM (or whatever) signal to my application (I'm trapping various signals like that). Therefore, I thought I could use an X signal to check for my top level window being destroyed. However I seem to get DestroyNotify events whenever I move windows. Is there any way for me to check that the window is actually being destroyed (some field to check or some combination of events?). Replies by e-mail please and I will summarise. Thanks for any help, Ian -- // // // ian@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk // // // " 2094,3,"From: jcl@bdrc.bd.com (John C. Lusth) Subject: Kentucky Fried CMOS beats Hardees! Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center; RTP, N.C. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: otis.bdrc.bd.com Hey folks. Is it possible to short out your CMOS chip? I think mine is fried. These are the symptoms... I have to do the following to get my computer (a Gateway 486DX33) to boot... Turn the power off Disconnect the battery to the CMOS chip Turn the power on Get into setup upon getting the CMOS configuration error Set up the CMOS Exit the setup with [F10] (phoenix bios) Ignore the diskette 0 seek error and press [F1] The computer then boots normally. Both hard drives are accessible but the floppy drives are not. I can back up over the network and such, but if I need to reboot, I have to turn off the computer and repeat the steps above. If I simply --, the computer hangs after the memory test. Does this sound like the CMOS chip is fried? Can I buy another one? Where? Thank you for your kind attention. john -- John C. Lusth, Becton Dickinson Research Center, RTP, NC, USA jcl@bdrc.bd.com " 2095,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Lines: 47 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms >'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. Not provable. It's about as ""provable"" as the number of votes vast for Bill Clinton in the last election. If you accept the information available, you can prove one way or the other. If you refuse to accept it, nothing is ""provable."" >I think that that >there are actually *few* cases where this is so. Fine, support your assertation. But, you haven't supported any assertations just yet. The National Crime Survey, that secret Arm of the NRA, estimates between 40,000 and 50,000 with-gun self-defenses from assaults, and is considered to considerably under-report. When broken down by weapon, there is no form of ""self-defense"" including dowing nothing which is more effective at avoiding injury or death. >The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary >opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who >would argue with you about a parking space, those who would >take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. Ok, support *this* assertation. Hell, support *one*. >Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. That's nice. >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. That's nice, too. >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. Why on Earth should we? If you're correct we've nothing to lose by continuing to argue against it and everything to gain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 2096,11,"From: msnyder@nmt.edu (Rebecca Snyder) Subject: public awareness (wasRe: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption) Organization: New Mexico Tech Distribution: na Lines: 50 In article <2076@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >I think this is no accident. It comes from the same philosophy that >the government rules/controls the people, not the people controlling >the government, that the unconnected citizens are not sophisticated enough >to know what is best for them, so the government must tell the people >what they need or do not need ... ""we know best..."". And the idea that >that a commoner can defend himself against government eavesdropping >or unlawful attack is totally unacceptable to people with this outlook. > > >Combine this all with pushing for national identity cards with 'smart >chips' to encode anything they please (internal passport) under the >guise of streamlining the State People's Health Care System, and with >(you can be certain) more jewels yet to come, and one sees an extremely >ominous trend. So what if ""1984"" will be ten years late... it still is >turning out to be an amazingly accurate prophecy... unless a LOT of >people wake up, and in a hurry. > >One should ALWAYS have every red warning light and bell and danger flag >come up when the government seeks to set itself apart in regard to >rights, etc. from the unconnected/unprivileged citizen (or should we >now be saying 'subject' instead?)... Why SHOULDN'T the average person >have a good, secure system of data security, not dependent on nebulous >'safeguards' for maintaining that security? Why SHOULDN'T the average >person be able to defend himself from an agency gone rogue? 0I am sure >the Feds could break into any data they really wanted to (but it would >take some WORK), and using the same logic, one should not be allowed to >have a good safe, unless a duplicate of the key(s) or combination are >submitted for 'safekeeping' by the government? I don't really see a >difference, philosophically. Encrypted data sure won't evaporate, not >with such high-tech tools as a TAPE RECORDER... > The average amerikan today seems to think that the government should be able to eavesdrop on everyone (else). Opinion polls show that most people belive the Bill of Rights to grant too much freedom to people, when it is not identified as such (BTW, if anyone knows of a cite for that, I'd love to have it). Not only does this mean that these people are willing to give up everyone (else's) rights, they don't even know what the Bill of Rights actually says. How can we show the average person (not the average USENET reader) that people are actually entitiled to these rights? So many people don't care if the government is taking more and more control of us all, a little at a time. If there was some sort of awareness of what the government is trying to do by a majority of the US population... Just think about what could be accomplished - but there are so many that trust, unthinkingly, in whatever the media and government tell them. " 2097,4,"From: hardwick@panix.com (Paul Hardwick) Subject: Re: PC Syquest on a Mac?? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 35 In <1qsk6u$d8l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes: >Is it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to >hook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac? >Is there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it >just cable differences? >Thanks. Their should be no difference in the drive itself between IBM-PC and Mac. The two main differences are the formatting of the disk itself (but with the correct software each can read the others) and maybe the cable (depends on your SCSI board on IBM-PC). If you get some Mac softawre to allow mounting of ANY IBM-formatted disk and the correct cable you should br able to mount and read your IBM-PC syquest. good luck, --Paul -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Paul Hardwick | Technical Consulting | InterNet: hardwick@panix.com | | P.O. Box 1482 | for MVS (SP/XA/ESA) | Voice: (212) 535-0998 | | NY, NY 10274 | and 3rd party addons | Fax: (212) Pending | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Paul Hardwick | Technical Consulting | InterNet: hardwick@panix.com | | P.O. Box 1482 | for MVS (SP/XA/ESA) | Voice: (212) 535-0998 | | NY, NY 10274 | and 3rd party addons | Fax: (212) Pending | " 2098,1,From: williams4000@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: BOOK OF KELLS CORRECTION!!! Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 11 I aparantly mistyped the address for the ftp site which holds the images. The correct address should be: jupiter.csd.unb.ca ^^ rather than jupiter.csd.unb.edu. They are in the directory: \pub\library.info Jon Williams University of Northern Iowa 2099,8,"From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) Subject: Re: edu breaths Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla17 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: >| >|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike >|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. > >That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals. I >have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of ""cruiser"" >bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but. Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals. Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders (what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. To NOT RECOGNIZE this, is in effect, close-minded. > >|A lot of it, reminded me of rec.motorcycles and the insipid flame-age thereof.. > >If you so dislike it, my occasionally leather-clad poser pal, why read it? I scan it for information, a lot of it is NOISE and pointless flame-age. (it's why I used trn, instead of rn) If you have a problem with that, I'm really sorry for you.. -- => Dan DeClerck | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com <= => Motorola Cellular APD | <= =>""Friends don't let friends wear neon""| Phone: (708) 632-4596 <= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2100,3,"From: stevela@csulb.edu (Steve La) Subject: CDROM Audio cable... Lines: 10 Organization: Cal State Long Beach Distribution: usa I am looking for a CDROM audio cable to connect my Toshiba 3401B (L/R audio) to the Pro Audio Spectrum 16 sound card. Thanks in advance for any pointers... -Steve ___ _____ ____ _ _ ____ _ __ Steve La / ___) (_ _) | ___) | || | | ___) | | / \ Network Manager \__ \ | | | _)_ | || | | _)_ | |__ | || | stevela@csulb.edu (____/ |_| |____) \__/ |____) |____) |_||_| (310) 985-4750 CALSTATE UNIVERSITY LONG BEACH, 1250 Bellflower Blvd. Long Beach, CA 90840 " 2101,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Christians above the Law, was Clarification of personal position Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 24 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the >time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly >states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other >words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday >as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus. Who said Christians want to conform to the teachings of Jesus? ""You are the light of the world. A city can't be hidden lying on a mountaintop. Nor do people light a candle and cover it with a big basket; they put it up on a tall candlestick where it can shine for everyone in the house. That's how your light must shine in front of the world, so that people see your good deeds and give credit to your Father in the skies. Don't think I came to dissolve The Law [Torah aka First Five Books] or The Prophets: [7 major plus 12 minor] I didn't come to dissolve them, I came to fulfill them. I assure you, till the sky and the earth go away, not one letter or punctuation mark of The Law will ever go away until everthing has come to pass. So anyone who dissolves even one of the smallest commandments and teaches others the same way, will be known as the lowest in the kingdom of the skies; whereas anyone who keeps the commands and teaches them too, will be known as someone great in the kingdom of the skies."" Matt5:14-19, Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2 " 2102,1,"From: schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) Subject: Re: CView answers Nntp-Posting-Host: silene Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France Lines: 32 In article , bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: |> In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes: |> |> >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I |> >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) |> >Thanks! |> > |> |> Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do |> any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is |> so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND |> graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have |> X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like |> doc, image viewers like xv, etc. |> Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows. So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is not very nice. Best Regards, Arno -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arno Schaefer ENSIMAG, 2e Annee Email: schaefer@silene.imag.fr Tel.: (33) 76 51 79 95 :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2103,12,"From: Mike Diack Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) X-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 03:04:18 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-88.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 15 In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> j. pethybridge, jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au writes: > I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking. > I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 or a 8751/2. Check out Xicor's new goodie in the April 12th edition of EETimes X88C64 - an 8k * 8 E2PROM with built in latch AND bootloader setup. You hook it directly to your '51, power it up, the prom initialises the serial port on the '51, you load in your code via RXD, this gets blatted onto the E2PROM, then you reset and run - i'm sure Dallas also does something like this too, i suppose it would boil down to relative prices, and the Dallas part freeing up P0 & P2 completely. I wonder if ANYONE has ever managed to design a single sided PCB with an 8051, 573, EPROM, SRAM and >>NO LINKS<< ? cheers Mike. " 2104,17,"From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 27 Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: >In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >>I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >>reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >>reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >>interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. > >Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or >Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? >Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. >to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political >agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. > >Tim Anas Omran " 2105,6,"From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino) Subject: Hard Drive for sale! Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 6 I had posted this before, but the buyer fell through, so here goes again.... Western Digital Caviar 2200, 212 meg IDE HD, 3.5 inch drive. Has built in cache (I believe it's 64k, but I'm not positive). Still in unopened, original static bag. Asking $275, obo. " 2106,14,"From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) Subject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 jbreed@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed) writes: >In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >|> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about >|> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent >|> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. It's my understanding that the freezing will start to occur because of the growing distance of Pluto and Charon from the Sun, due to it's elliptical orbit. It is not due to shadowing effects. >Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block >sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block >our view of them either. What am I missing? Pluto can shadow Charon, and vice-versa. George Krumins -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | George Krumins | | gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | | Pufferfish Observatory | " 2107,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ""liver"" spots Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr19.162502.29802@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes: >What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they >called ""liver spots"" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they >indicate some actual liver dysfunction? Senile keratoses. Have nothing to do with the liver. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2108,16,"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: Re: Threatening Gun Owners Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu In article <7178@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes: > >Hello, > >I'm writing a story on the future of Gun Control. There are a >few points I would welcome your opinion on. It's wonderful having a >resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and I thank you in advance >for your feedback! > >1. What do you believe are the most serious threats to gun-owners in the >future? * The Government * Liberals * BATF, FBI, DEA, etc. (see #1) >2. Are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to >apply to the armed forces only, barring civilians from owning arms of >any kind? Well... contributions == taxes abortion == elimination of fetal tissue Clinton == president faggot == spouse It could happen... >3. If you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed >to buy, which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military >uses only (ie. bazooka, M16, grenade, atomic bomb, etc.) Hydrogen Bomb, perhaps. >4. Would you describe HCI and all other gun control activists as being >determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm? Yep. >5. Have you personally read the Brady Bill in its entirety? Yep. >Thank again, > >Gary -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | | ""Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."" | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2109,15,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Lines: 112 My last article included this quote: ""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon Someone called `boundary' wrote: > This quote seems a little arrogant, don't you think? There is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this: :-) . It is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the preceding comment is supposed to be funny. And, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over five years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off. 8^) * In the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what I meant by ""There is no way out of the loop"". I wrote that human brains ""are infested with sin"", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances. In reply, Mr Boundary wrote: > I would beg to differ with you here. The properly-formed conscience > can be trusted virtually ALL the time. Which just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your conscience is properly formed? The only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the formed-ness of your own conscience. In other words, you can only be sure that your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation can be trusted. Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll grant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning. Unless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be certain. Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is `properly formed'. (Whatever that is supposed to mean.) Mr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem: > Now you have hit on the purpose of the Church. It is by necessity the > infallible interpreter of divine revelation. Without the Church, > Christianity would be nothing more than a bunch of little divisive sects. The Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation? How do you know? Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or another -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes? You write: > Therefore, although our minds are finite and susceptible to error, our > competence in arriving at inductive insights gives confidence in our > ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true, even in areas > not subject to the experimental method. But there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'. I am confident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way from `confident'. This discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain (really, go check the subject line). Saying you are absolutely certain is significantly different than saying you are confident. When you say that you are confident, that invites people to ask why. Except in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely certain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any idea of his own fallibility. I have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of truth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning. All of them -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible. The result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu [This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the original criticism. I get the feeling that the original poster regarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong answers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal consequences. When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is at least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that -- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are fallible. Thus at least in principle I could be wrong. But these basic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's unlikely that I'm misinterpreting it. (In order to get this level of confidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as to sidestep a number of the more controversial issues. I haven't, for example said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell, and I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.) I have a feeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and intolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's some chance I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant Christians, and often criticism of us is justified. But in at least some cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger. If the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for certain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I think it is. You may think God is immoral for setting things up that way. It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most difficult to respond to. But it's not arrogance for me to tell what I think is the truth. --clh] " 2110,16,"From: dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer) Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote: : In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: : The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think : your question should be, ""...losing sleep over a million expert : riflemen?"" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but : a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area, : where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a : real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is ""is it worth : the trouble?"" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely : the answer would be ""no."" Certainly a million riflemen (as : opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the : best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes : invasions more difficult. Hitler invaded Yugoslavia and occupied it. The mountainous portions were sometimes patrolled by the wermacht, but they were certainly not in control. There were two major native factions opposing each other and the germans, It was basically useless to the germans (no production) and a drain on their resources (a armored division and a couple of infantry divisions) Which if my memory is correct, were kind of stuck there up until the allies accepted their surrender. (I think that the allies also let the germans keep some of their weapons for self defense unitil they were able to get to the lowlands, away from the resistance factions. This is from memory, and it is unreliable. --Dale Farmer " 2111,12,"From: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Richard Cook) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Nntp-Posting-Host: server.gfx.engga.uwo.ca Lines: 23 In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al > > How about calling someone with the Caller ID service and have them call you back with the number? -- Richard Cook (519) 641-1985 E-mail: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca Elect. Eng. FAX (519) 661-3488 " 2112,9,"From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! Article-I.D.: blue.7961 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 13 dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu said: >I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? >(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out from under oversized aqua helmets screams ""Little League"" in every fibre of my being... -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands " 2113,1,Subject: E-mail of Michael Abrash? From: gmontem@eis.calstate.edu (George A. Montemayor) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 0 2114,17,"From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) Subject: Brendan McKay Clarifies the Nazi Racial Theory Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Lines: 59 Only Brendan McKay, or maybe ARF, would come to the rescue of Nazi racial theory. Is it distressing Brendan? The point is that any eugenic solution to the Jewish Problem as Elias has proposed smacks of pure Nazism. The fact that Elias' proposal cast the entire ""problem"" as one of the abnormal presence of Israeli society in the Middle East, and that he buried a slam against U.S. aid to Israel in the midst of his ""even-handed"" solution of the Jewish Question, made it obvious what he had in mind: disolving the Jewish polity. That *is* a Nazi doctrine: rectification of the ""abnormal presence"" of the Jewish people within a larger body politic. Whether your ""solution"" involves gas, monetary incentives to the poor Jews to marry out, or as Feisal Husseini has said, ""disolve the Zionist entity by forcing it to engage the normal surrounding Arab culture,"" you are engaged in a Nazi project. Just as obvious is your statement: ""I will not comment on the value or lack of value of Elias's proposal."" Still striking the glancing blow, right Brendan? You could easily see where he was going, but you ""will not comment."" So, you are complicitous. What is your fascination with Nazi racial theory, anyway? -- Chris Metcalfe (""someone else"") !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In article <1993Apr22.175022.15543@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: >>>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >>>---------------------------------------------------------- by >>> Elias Davidsson >>> >>>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >>>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >>>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >>>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >>>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >>>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the >> >> Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf. > >Someone else said something similar. I will not comment on the >value or lack of value of Elias's ""proposal"". I just want to say >that it is very distressing that at least two people here are >profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine. They were NOT >like Elias's idea, they were more like the opposite. > >Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation. An >instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies. According to >Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race. They were persecuted, >and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were >considered not pure Gypsies but ""mongrels"" formed from the pure Gypsy >race and other undesirable races. This was the key difference between >the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way. It is also >true that towards the end of WWII even the ""purist"" Gypsies were >hunted down as the theory was forgotten. > >Brendan. >(email: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) " 2115,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: An Iranian Azeri Who Would Drop an Atomic Bomb on Armenia Summary: fool Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr15.231047.13120 Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 70 In article <93104.101314FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET> FARID writes: [FARID] In support of the preservation of the territorial integrity of [FARID] Azerbaijan and its independence from Russian rule, the Iranians which [FARID] includes millions of Azerbaijanis will have Armenia retreat from the [FARID] territory of Azerbaijan. Oh, they will? This should prove quite interesting! [FARID] To count on Iranian help to supposedly counter Turkish influence will [FARID] be a fatal error on the part of Armenia as long as Armenia in [FARID] violation of international law has Azerbaijani lands in occupation. Armenia is not counting on Iranian help. As far as violations of international laws, which international law gives Azerbaijan the right to attack and depopulate the Armenians in Karabakh? [FARID] If Armenian aggression continues in the territory of Azerbaijan, not [FARID] only there won't be any aid from Iran to Armenia but also steps will [FARID] be taken to have Armenian army back in Armenia. And who do you speak for? Rafsanjani? [FARID] The Azerbaijanis of Iran will be the guarantors of this policy. As for [FARID] scaring Iranians or Turks from the Russian power, experts on present [FARID] and future military potentials of these people would not put much [FARID] stock on the Russain power as the sole power in the region for long!!! Well, Farid, your supposed experts are not expert! The Russians have had non-stop influence in the Caucasus since the Treaty of Turkmanchay in 1828. Hmm... that makes it 1993-1828 = 165 years! Oh, I see the Azeris from Iran are going to force out the Armenians from Karabakh! That will be a real good trick! [FARID] Iran is not alian to developing the capability to produce the A bomb [FARID] and a reliable delivery system (refer to recent news releases [FARID] regarding the potential of Iran). So the Azeris from Iran are going to force the Armenians from Karabakh by forcing the Iranian government to drop an atomic bomb on these Armenians. [FARID] The moral of the story is that, you don't go invading your neighbor's [FARID] home (Azerbaijan) and flash Russia's guns when questioned about it. Oh, but it's just fine if you drop an atomic bomb on your neighbor! You are a damn fool, Farid! [FARID] (Marshal Shapashnikov may have to eat his words regarding Turkey in a [FARID] few short years!). So you are going to drop an atomic bomb on Russia as well. [FARID] Peaceful resolution of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is the only [FARID] way to go. Armenia may soon find the fruits of Aggression very bitter [FARID] indeed. And the Armenians will take your ""peaceful"" dropping of an atomic bomb as an example of Iranian Azeri benevolence! You sir are a poor example of an Iranian Azeri! Ha! And to think I had a nice two day stay in Tabriz back in 1978! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 2116,12,From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com Subject: Re: Need source for old Radio Shack ste Nf-ID: #R:acs.ucalgary.ca:27323:trsvax:288200083:000:125 Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls Apr 21 09:36:00 1993 Lines: 5 It's made by Rohm. (as is all BAxxx parts). Call 714-855-2131 and ask if you can get a sample (it's only like a $2 part). 2117,3,"From: lhenso@unf6.cis.unf.edu (Larry Henson) Subject: IBM link to Imagewriter -- HELP!! Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville Lines: 10 Hello, I am trying to hook an Apple Imagewriter to my IBM Clone. I seem to have a problem configuring my lpt port to accept this. How can you adjust baud, parity, etc. to fit the system? I tried MODE, but it did not work. If anyone can help, post of e-mail. Thanx. -- ""Abort, Retry, FORMAT?!?!? Doctor, give me the chainsaw... Trust me! I'm a scientist!"" Larry Henson " 2118,3,"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Re: Digitizing tablet questions Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 Rithea Hong (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) wrote: : I'm in the market for all small (12x12 or so) digitizing tablet and would : like any comments. The main names I see are Calcomp, Summagraphics, and : Kurta. What are the major differences? Any particular preference? Also : what should I look for and what should I avoid? Thanks for any input : you can provide. : Rithea Hong : (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * " 2119,15,"From: kwyatt@ccscola.columbiasc.ncr.com (Kershner Wyatt) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC Lines: 79 In article creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes: >In article jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: > > On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were ""invited"" to take the role of >Jesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the >liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so >therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but >to no avail. > >>musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the >>liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be >>explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just >>sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about >>to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay >>people to be aware of the Lord's presence. As a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the ""innovations"" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return to the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans. I spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in the Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful. Our Lutheran parish just instituted the ""Tenebrae"" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for a paraphrased Passion which was exceptional. I heard and learned things that I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those ""facts"" were always there. As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about the differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over breakfast Easter Sunday. > > As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem >is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of >innovations. The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any >decisions of their own in many cases. I guess it's easier to ""try >something new"" than it is to refuse to allow it. My wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music and worship at our church). Our pastor does have control of this committee but listens very carefully to the committee's suggestions. It needs a strong hand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong as it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year. Additional reason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual guidance by priests in my parishes. AKA ""wishy-washy"". As you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir- regardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service/Mass which promotes the true reason that we are gathered there. I am quite comfortable in a traditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament of PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth. The reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings are not shared by everyone. I want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don't want them attending a show. It's not. My church works hard to have a meaningful service during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of Worship guidelines. Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such as the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it is Not there. Quite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and ""fit in"". My dear wife never could (former Methodist). And Holy Week Masses and Vigils would intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic. Those Catholics who have beared with me this far understand what I mean. Please keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship. Not to worry about how something is done or not done. If there is something wrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or pastor. I have only ever met one who wouldn't listen. They are there to provide spiritual guidance and to help. Use them. My differences with the Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change faiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and ministers. In Christ, Kershner -- Kershner Wyatt kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's. " 2120,7,"From: a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Nntp-Posting-Host: sun278.dseg.ti.com Organization: Forest Lane Design Center Lines: 42 In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes: >>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>>In article chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: >>> > >Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is >beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a >regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to >say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg >disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an >SHO anyway. > >I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic >transmissions from all ""performance-type"" cars (like the 5.0l >Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of >accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans, >but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO. > > James > I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be more fun. Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here. Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0 Camaro w/ a five speed. All of this IMHO... :) -- * Robert L. Loper * - Infinity is a notion best contemplated * * ROBERTLL@FLOPN2.dseg.ti.com * in a warm bed. * * Texas Instruments, Inc. * - My opinions are my own, not TI's. * " 2121,5,"From: tracy@cs.ucf.edu (Tracy Rene Tolley) Subject: HELP: xdm & Solaris2.1 Summary: help with xdm & Solaris2.1 Keywords: Solaris2.1 xdm Organization: University of Central Florida Distribution: comp Lines: 7 I recently read here that Sun has a patch for xdm on Solaris2.1. I was wondering if anyone could give me the patch number. Thanks in advance, Tracy Tolley University of Central Florida - Technical Support " 2122,8,"From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack! Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 30 From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a Yamaha 750 Twin (A.K.A. ""the vibrating tank"") when I heard a wierd noise off to my left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left... (Rest deleted) Anyone else had this sort of experience? ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or to check them after collisions. Luckily, few are as heavy as the one that got you. Al Moore DoD 734 Don't forget the immortal * swap file read error: you lose your mind. * " 2123,4,"From: rogntorb@idt.unit.no (Torbj|rn Rognes) Subject: Adding int. hard disk drive to IIcx Keywords: Mac IIcx, internal, hard disk drive, SCSI Reply-To: rogntorb@idt.unit.no (Torbj|rn Rognes) Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology Lines: 32 I haven't seen much info about how to add an extra internal disk to a mac. We would like to try it, and I wonder if someone had some good advice. We have a Mac IIcx with the original internal Quantum 40MB hard disk, and an unusable floppy drive. We also have a new spare Connor 40MB disk which we would like to use. The idea is to replace the broken floppy drive with the new hard disk, but there seems to be some problems: The internal SCSI cable and power cable inside the cx has only connectors for one single hard disk drive. If I made a ribbon cable and a power cable with three connectors each (1 for motherboard, 1 for each of the 2 disks), would it work? Is the IIcx able to supply the extra power to the extra disk? What about terminators? I suppose that i should remove the resistor packs from the disk that is closest to the motherboard, but leave them installed in the other disk. The SCSI ID jumpers should also be changed so that the new disk gets ID #1. The old one should have ID #0. It is no problem for us to remove the floppy drive, as we have an external floppy that we can use if it won't boot of the hard disk. Thank you! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Torbj|rn Rognes Email: rogntorb@idt.unit.no " 2124,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Lines: 40 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr15.201756.29141@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.175931.66210@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: >>> (BTW - Which parts should be secure? Criminal >>> records, ie convictions, are typically considered public information, >>> so should that info be secure? Remember, the population includes >>> parents checking prospective childcare worker.) > >> Parent's checking a babysitter shouldn't need access to the information >>stored in the card. > >Sure they do. The prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting >kids three or four months into the job. The references may not have >known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet. > >Remember, criminal conviction info is public, so if you're going to >argue for an ID card, other people are going to have a strong argument >that it disclose public info. As perhaps some insight into how this sort of thing works, the local college newspaper had a big crusade to have the U.T. police release crime stats. (The school claimed that to do so would violate federal education records privacy laws). They swore up and down they weren't interested in student discipline records, only for stats so people could make an evaluation of how safe the campus was. It was barely a week after crime stats were released before the Daily Beacon had an editorial calling for student disciplinary stats to be released, because they complained certain segments of the campus population were treated administratively rather than turned over to the police and therefore the criminal states weren't accurate. What people say they want public today may not be what they say tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 2125,12,"From: mcovingt@aisun1.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun1.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 9 There is or was a microwave tower next to Florida's Turnpike, and you could watch the cars hit the breaks as they came in sight of it every morning... -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 2126,14,"From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems Lines: 30 In article <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon writes: >This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought >not to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would >think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. > >Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much >larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, >they will simply be able to afford more stuff. If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* on a lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing military, scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than just a ""we have the money, why not?"" approach. It's conceivable that Luna will have a military purpose, it's possible that Luna will have a commercial purpose, but it's most likely that Luna will only have a scientific purpose for the next several hundred years at least. Therefore, Lunar bases should be predicated on funding levels little different from those found for Antarctic bases. Can you put a 200 person base on the Moon for $30 million a year? Even if you use grad students? Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | " 2127,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?) Keywords: plane, Xterminal Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 In article chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Hudel) writes: > > >PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right? The 4-bit server should work fine. As far as I know, Xterminals running older versions can run the latest apps as long as the host machine has the R5 libraries installed. I could be wrong though. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 2128,5,"From: detroch@imec.be (Stefan De Troch) Subject: virtual mwm ? Nntp-Posting-Host: nemesis Reply-To: detroch@imec.be Organization: IMEC, Kapeldreef 75 3001 Leuven Belgium Lines: 12 -- Hi netland, I thought that I once read about the existance of a virtual mwm like vtwm. On the usual ftp sites (gatakeeper.dec.com, export.lcs.mit.edu) I can't find any trace of this program. Could anybody give me a hint where to find this program or confirm/deny the existance of this program. Regards, Stefan " 2129,1,"From: lau@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu (frankie t. k. lau) Subject: PC fastest line/circle drawing routines: HELP! Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 41 hi all, IN SHORT: looking for very fast assembly code for line/circle drawing on SVGA graphics. COMPLETE: I am thinking of a simple but fast molecular graphics program to write on PC or clones. (ball-and-stick type) Reasons: programs that I've seen are far too slow for this purpose. Platform: 386/486 class machine. 800x600-16 or 1024x728-16 VGA graphics (speed is important, 16-color for non-rendering purpose is enough; may stay at 800x600 for speed reason.) (hope the code would be generic enough for different SVGA cards. My own card is based on Trident 8900c, not VESA?) What I'm looking for? 1) fast, very fast routines to draw lines/circles/simple-shapes on above-mentioned SVGA resolutions. Presumably in assembly languagine. Yes, VERY FAST please. 2) related codes to help rotating/zooming/animating the drawings on screen. Drawings for beginning, would be lines, circles mainly, think of text, else later. (you know, the way molecular graphics rotates, zooms a molecule) 2) and any other codes (preferentially in C) that can help the project. Final remarks;- non-profit. expected to become share-, free-ware. Any help is appreciated. thanks -Frankie lau@tammy.harvard.edu PS pls also email, I may miss reply-post. " 2130,7,"From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: nyis113 Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS Lines: 19 mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: |> : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit |> that they are not human beings. Such submissions have been made before, e.g. regarding Jews. In article <1993Apr21.042234.23924@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: |> Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any |> number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it. |> When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh |> moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself |> mean that it has ""rights""? All you Dirty Harry types, eager to pull a gun on some scum guilty of scratching your stupid painted metal boxes on wheels : have you ever KILLED a human to speak so lightly about such matters ? Sergei " 2131,13,"From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg) Subject: Re: Eugenics Summary: errata Keywords: gene pool; wisdom; virtue Nntp-Posting-Host: naples.med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 7 Thanks to Tarl Neustaedter of MA for kindly letting me know that my reference in prior post to Orwell and ""1984"" should probably have been to Huxley and ""Brave New World."" Sorry, Al. Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu) " 2132,18,"From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) Subject: Re: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE ) Nntp-Posting-Host: irlsp Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr16.174304.26360@ra.msstate.edu> fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: >muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: >>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: >>>> >>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. >>> >>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........ >> >>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s >>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the >>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. > >I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date >of the magazine? Aviation Week March 15 1993 p.48 ""the CBO estimates that matching the capability of 100 C-17s would require 70 C-5s at a total cost of $14.4 billion. This option is still more than $10 billion cheaper than completing the C-17 program, which the CBO estimates will cost $24.7 billion."" Sorry, I was nine billion off. The C-5s would be ten billion cheaper. > As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much >but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which >there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends >on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now, >I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many >people are out of work. > Well, California voted overwhelmingly for change, right? The argument to continue military programs just to support jobs is a poor one. It's kept quite a few bases open that should have been closed years ago, wasting billions of taxes. >>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down >>a pork happy Congress. >> >>-- Marc Mueller > >Huh? Shouldn't that read ""The question is whether a social-pork happy >Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy >Congress."" > >fpa > -- Marc Mueller " 2133,11,"From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal) Subject: Re: Key Registering Bodies Distribution: usa Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: kingbee.watson.ibm.com Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Lines: 18 In article <930419182442.669507@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL>, Grant@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (Lynn R Grant) writes: |> If we do not trust the NSA to be a registrar of Clipper Chip key halves, |> I would not trust Mitre either. I wouldn't trust Mitre for another reason: remember ""The Cuckoo's Egg""? How great was their security, eh? NSA - well, with the list of known ""turncoats"", does it make you wonder how many more unknown still are there? (:-) (:-( -- Regards, Uri. uri@watson.ibm.com scifi!angmar!uri ------------ " 2134,12,"From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Subject: Peltier Effect Heat Pumps Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, Essex Lines: 45 I was having a look through a couple of components catalogues when I came across a range of Peltier Effect heat pumps intended for cooling components. For those who have not heard of this effect, you put a current through one of these devices, and it pumps heat from one side to the other. Reverse the current and you reverse the effect. I think a temperature difference can give you an EMF as well. Anyway, it struck me that you could make a nice cool/hot box for picnics with one of these, a power regulator, a thermostat and a couple of heat sinks. The biggest device can shift 60W with an efficiency of 80-90%, which ain't bad (although it would flatten my car battery in about half an hour). Unfortunately the catalogue didn't list anything more than the basic specs as a heat pump. I imagine that you would get a back-EMF as the temperature gradient across the device increases. If so, presumably its power decreases as the back-EMF increases, until eventually we have a steady state with no current being consumed (assuming no leakage). If so, then the final temperature difference between the two sides could be set by the supply voltage and nothing more (although that would be a lousy way to control it). What I would like to know is: 1: Are the above guesses correct? 2: What is the open-circuit thermal resistance of a typical device? (I just want to be sure that my coolbox is not going to get warm too fast when I unplug it) 3: How does a Peltier Effect heat pump actually work? It looks like magic! 4: Why don't they use these things in domestic fridges/freezers? Thanks in advance, Paul. Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions " 2135,1,"From: cormackj@access.digex.com (John Cormack) Subject: Re: VESA on the Speedstar 24 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: Speedstar 24X Keywords: VESA driver for Speedstar 24X I need a VESA driver for the Diamond Speedstar 24X that works. I've tried several and none work for the hicolor modes. John Cormack Cormackj@access.digex.com " 2136,15,"From: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) Subject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach Organization: UH Dept of Math Lines: 53 ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis) writes: II. The deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because they are not quoted by the NT authors. That is not quite accurate. Otherwise we would have the book of Enoch in the canon (as Dave noted). One can say that the apocrypha are not quoted by Christ. Dave also writes: III. The deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because they teach doctrines contrary to the (uncontroverted) parts of the canon. then I answer: These is a logically invalid *a priori*. Besides, we are talking about OT texts- which in many parts are superceded by the NT (in the Xtian view). Would not this same principle exclude _Ecclesiastes_? This principle cannot be consistently applied. I have to reject your argument here. The Spirit speaks with one voice, and he does not contradict himself. The ultimate test of canonicity is whether the words are inspired by the Spirit, i.e., God-breathed. It is a test which is more guided by faith than by reason or logic. The early church decided that the Apocrypha did not meet this test--even though some books such as The Wisdom of Ben Sirach have their uses. For example, the Lutheran hymn ""Now Thank We All Our God"" quotes a passage from this book. The deutero-canonical books were added much later in the church's history. They do not have the same spiritual quality as the rest of Scripture. I do not believe the church that added these books was guided by the Spirit in so doing. And that is where this sort of discussion ultimately ends. David H. Wagner a confessional Lutheran ""Now thank we all our God With heart and hands and voices, Who wondrous things hath done, In whom His world rejoices; Who from our mother's arms Hath blessed us on our way With countless gifts of love, And still is our today."" --""Nun danket alle Gott"", v. 1 --Martin Rinckart, 1636 (compare Ben Sirach 50: 22-24) " 2137,1,"From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) Subject: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 187 Distribution: world Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Hi everyone, I thought that some people may be interested in my VR software on these groups: *******Announcing the release of Multiverse-1.0.2******* Multiverse is a multi-user, non-immersive, X-Windows based Virtual Reality system, primarily focused on entertainment/research. Features: Client-Server based model, using Berkeley Sockets. No limit to the number of users (apart from performance). Generic clients. Customizable servers. Hierachical Objects (allowing attachment of cameras and light sources). Multiple light sources (ambient, point and spot). Objects can have extension code, to handle unique functionality, easily attached. Functionality: Client: The client is built around a 'fast' render loop. Basically it changes things when told to by the server and then renders an image from the user's viewpoint. It also provides the server with information about the user's actions - which can then be communicated to other clients and therefore to other users. The client is designed to be generic - in other words you don't need to develop a new client when you want to enter a new world. This means that resources can be spent on enhancing the client software rather than adapting it. The adaptations, as will be explained in a moment, occur in the servers. This release of the client software supports the following functionality: o Hierarchical Objects (with associated addressing) o Multiple Light Sources and Types (Ambient, Point and Spot) o User Interface Panels o Colour Polygonal Rendering with Phong Shading (optional wireframe for faster frame rates) o Mouse and Keyboard Input (Some people may be disappointed that this software doesn't support the PowerGlove as an input device - this is not because it can't, but because I don't have one! This will, however, be one of the first enhancements!) Server(s): This is where customization can take place. The following basic support is provided in this release for potential world server developers: o Transparent Client Management o Client Message Handling This may not sound like much, but it takes away the headache of accepting and terminating clients and receiving messages from them - the application writer can work with the assumption that things are happening locally. Things get more interesting in the object extension functionality. This is what is provided to allow you to animate your objects: o Server Selectable Extension Installation: What this means is that you can decide which objects have extended functionality in your world. Basically you call the extension initialisers you want. o Event Handler Registration: When you develop extensions for an object you basically write callback functions for the events that you want the object to respond to. (Current events supported: INIT, MOVE, CHANGE, COLLIDE & TERMINATE) o Collision Detection Registration: If you want your object to respond to collision events just provide some basic information to the collision detection management software. Your callback will be activated when a collision occurs. This software is kept separate from the worldServer applications because the application developer wants to build a library of extended objects from which to choose. The following is all you need to make a World Server application: o Provide an initWorld function: This is where you choose what object extensions will be supported, plus any initialization you want to do. o Provide a positionObject function: This is where you determine where to place a new client. o Provide an installWorldObjects function: This is where you load the world (.wld) file for a new client. o Provide a getWorldType function: This is where you tell a new client what persona they should have. o Provide an animateWorld function: This is where you can go wild! At a minimum you should let the objects move (by calling a move function) and let the server sleep for a bit (to avoid outrunning the clients). That's all there is to it! And to prove it here are the line counts for the three world servers I've provided: generic - 81 lines dactyl - 270 lines (more complicated collision detection due to the stairs! Will probably be improved with future versions) dogfight - 72 lines Location: This software is located at the following site: ftp.u.washington.edu Directory: pub/virtual-worlds File: multiverse-1.0.2.tar.Z Futures: Client: o Texture mapping. o More realistic rendering: i.e. Z-Buffering (or similar), Gouraud shading o HMD support. o Etc, etc.... Server: o Physical Modelling (gravity, friction etc). o Enhanced Object Management/Interaction o Etc, etc.... Both: o Improved Comms!!! I hope this provides people with a good understanding of the Multiverse software, unfortunately it comes with practically zero documentation, and I'm not sure whether that will ever be able to be rectified! :-( I hope people enjoy this software and that it is useful in our explorations of the Virtual Universe - I've certainly found fascinating developing it, and I would *LOVE* to add support for the PowerGlove...and an HMD :-)!! Finally one major disclaimer: This is totally amateur code. By that I mean there is no support for this code other than what I, out the kindness of my heart, or you, out of pure desperation, provide. I cannot be held responsible for anything good or bad that may happen through the use of this code - USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! Disclaimer over! Of course if you love it, I would like to here from you. And anyone with POSITIVE contributions/criticisms is also encouraged to contact me. Anyone who hates it: > /dev/null! ************************************************************************ ********* And if anyone wants to let me do this for a living: you know where to write :-)! ************************************************************************ ********* Thanks, Robert. robert@acsc.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 2138,9,"Subject: Re: WFAN From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 41 No, he's not nuts, WIP is second to none THE sports station. They don't have Tony Bruno working ESPN radio and Al Morganti doing Friday Night Hockey because they suck. I live in Richmond Va, but I visit Phila often, and on the way I get WTEM Washington) and WIP. I hear the FAN at night wherever I go (the signal used to be WNBC, when they played golden oldies) because you can't avoid it. Of those three, WIP has the best hosts hands down. Chuck Cooperstein isn't a homer, and neither is Jody Mac. WTEM is too generic to be placed in the catergory. In fact if you have heard WTEM and the FAN you notice the theme music is identical...same ownership?? I think so! WIP is totally original. Their hosts actually have a personality (this is a knock at TEM (the TEAM) not the FAN because Mike and the Mad Dog and Sommers are good) I mean comparing the morning guys in Philadelphia to the ones in Washington is a total joke. Anyway, I like the FAN and WIP, but I think the edge goes to 'IP. When I get back from Philly, I go into withdraw cause Richmond has nada except the national sports line (and those guys are totally clueless) I was really mad when WCAU was cancelled because they had Steve Fredericks doing sports phone after the Phillies games. (WCAU is another strong station, now it's an oldies station, but they still have the Phillies) I started listening to the FAN because I heard he went there. I finally heard him last summer and he wasn't the same guy. Those NY fans got to him. I was glad to hear him back in Philly when I went to see a few Eagles games. I will admit, I am die hard EAGLES fan and WIP is basically an Eagles station 365 days a year. BUT, I bet you the Phillies are in control right now. About the knock on G. Cobb, I like him. He knows the Eagles like a book. I remember the weekend before they went to play San Fran, (when everyone thought the Eagles would be blown away) Cobb said that the Eagles usually play their best when no one believe they can win. Well they were inches shy of pulling the victory. Well that's my $.02 " 2139,7,"From: sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com Subject: Monthly Posting: Buick Grand National/Regal T-Type mailing list Lines: 16 Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO Monthly posting regarding the Buick Grand National / Regal T-Type mailing list. This list is for owners and other parties interested in the 82-87 Buick Grand Nationals, Regal T-Types, GNXs, and other turbocharged Regals. Discussions include technical information and parts sources. Particular emphasis is given to performance enhancements and racing. To join, or ask, about the mailing list, contact: gnttype-request@srvsn2.monsanto.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Keller +1 314 537 6317 The Agricultural Group of Monsanto Company sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com KA0WCH packet: ka0wch@k0pfx.mo.usa.na Keeper of the Buick Grand National / Regal T-Type mailing list " 2140,12,"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo.... Organization: your service Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com Just a shot here, but ya never know: I once bought a (REAL) cheap equalizer / power amp for my car tape player at one of those motel-room truckload sales, and it sounded great. For a while, that is. Then one channel quit entirely. I opened it up, and the amplifier chip for the bad channel had simply melted some of its solder joints attaching it to the PCB. I soldered them back and it worked fine. I just had to keep the volume a bit lower than I did before. Probably lousy heat sinking. You said ""a nice Alpine"" which I'm sure is a few orders of mag higher in quality than the P.O.S. I had. But the point is - look inside before you scrap it, since you OCCASIONALLY find something you can repair. Maybe even the same thing I found. Good luck! " 2141,16,From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 3 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com NUT CASE PANICS!!!!REALIZES HE'S MADE A COMPLETE FOOL OF HIMSELF IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF NETTERS!!!!BACKS AWAY FROM EARLIER RASH STATEMENTS!!!!GOD HAVE MERCY ON HIM!!!! 2142,6,"From: zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Soren M Burkhart) Subject: Dragon's Lair II & Space Ace ARCADE games for sale Keywords: laser games interactive Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 64 Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete) ------------------------------------- or $220 Laser Disc $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons $35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet) $50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5 Space Ace ($430 Complete) -------------------------------------- or $250 Laser Disc $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons $35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet) $50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5 Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750) ----------------------------------------------- These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player. The nice thing about this player is that you can also watch normal Laserdisc movies on it as well. I have one which I will sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one complete system or $500 if you buy both systems. I currently run this into my entertainment center. I have it housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and power supply. I run the audio into my stereo system, and the laserdisc runs directly into the T.V.. I have made a mount for the joysticks and the buttons. First person who buys both games will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself. If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal arcade cabinet this can be done as well. The graphics will go nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet. Everything works perfectly. The laserdisc player has an RS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia type applications. The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe place and have no scratches on them. If you are interested please email me. Thanks, Soren -------------------------------------------------------------- Soren Burkhart Purdue University ""Yes, well that is just the sort of A.I. & Robotics blink-headed pig ignorance I have zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu come to expect from you non-creative garbage."" John Cleese (Monty Python) " 2143,12,"From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) Subject: PADS Question - How do I go from a schematic -> PCB? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 After I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into PADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is to output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there another way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions provided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! _I_______________________________________________________________________I_ (_@_) (_@_) | | Raymond Yeung Internet: Nimbus@uiuc.edu | | | | rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | | | | EE student at the | | | | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | | | | at Urbana-Champaign | | (___)-------------------------------------------------------------------(___) I I " 2144,2,"From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings) Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer Organization: RedRock Development Distribution: usa Lines: 13 In article <5031@cvbnetPrime.COM> tbelmont@feds55.prime.com (Tom Belmonte x4858) writes: |I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I |would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use |one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage |of Borland's ""$129.95 until April 30"" offer if this package |is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was |wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions? Yes, and it's pretty much what they claim. I haven't had time to try all of it. Considering the price, even if you decide you don't like it, it should be saleable over the next 2-3 months for what you have in it (once the price goes up). All in all it's very serviceable; and in my humble opinion, more powerful than Access. " 2145,19,"From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 24 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released >non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building. How do you know? Were you there? While obviously Koresh was a nut case, the (typical) inability of the government/media to get its story straight is quite disturbing. On tuesday night, NBC news reported that the FBI did not know the place was burning down until they saw black smoke billowing from the building. The next day, FBI agents were insisting that they saw Davidians setting the fire. The FBI was also adamantly denying that it was possible their battery of the compound's wallks could have accidentally set the blaze, while also saying they hadnt been able to do much investigating of the site because it was still too hot. So how did they KNOW they didnt accidentally set the fire. Sounds like the FBI just burned the place to the ground to destroy evidence to me. -- Legalize Freedom " 2146,11,"From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 27 In marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes: >I received mail from Mitch Kapor saying that he did not ask to be on >the list, and does not know why he was added. I'm sure the same >applies to others on the list. So, I guess my initial theory was >right, that the clipper list was just someone's idea of a bad joke. I >guess I should be happy it wasn't a conspiracy. I have also been in contact with Mitch about this. I believe him when he says he didn't ask to be on the ""clipper"" list. He also forwarded the traffic he had recieved through that list to me which will be placed at some ftp site. However, the first alias on the ""clipper list"" was csspab which was another mailing list. It basically contained the addresses for staffers and board members of the NIST security board. Several of these people had their accounts within the dockmaster domain. These are the people we might wish to FOIA... /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 " 2147,7,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon) Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Distribution: na Lines: 10 With the popularity of minivans, the market room for station wagons is squeezed out. They are not as comfortable as sedan, and don't carry as much as the minivans. This is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore. But the demand is certainly hampered by the minivan, and may not be economical to build a product for. Jason Chen A station wagon owner " 2148,13,"From: davel@davelpcSanDiego.NCR.com (Dave Lord) Subject: Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Reply-To: davel@davelpcSanDiego.NCR.com (Dave Lord) Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA Lines: 13 In article <1r8pcn$rm1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Donald Mackie writes: > In article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff, > tron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes: > >Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an > >authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that > >is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? > > I'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of > the major ingredients. :-) It's plain yoghurt with grated cucumber and coriander (other spices are sometimes used). Some people use half yoghurt and half mayonaise. " 2149,16,"From: mjp@watson.ibm.com (Michael Phelps) Subject: Re: Need Senate Bill numbers and House Resolution numbers Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: bwa.kgn.ibm.com Organization: IBM Kingston NY Lines: 1835 Try the firearms archive. Larry Cipriani's instructions follow. By the way, thanks for the archive Larry.. This year is the 103rd congress directory. ---------------------------- From watson!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!news.ans.net!howland.r reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!mimsy!cbvox1. .att.com!lvc Thu Apr 8 19:41:01 1993 Article: 40039 of talk.politics.guns Path: watson!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!news.ans.net!howland.r reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!mimsy!cbvox1. .att.com!lvc From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns Subject: Information about the anonymous ftp RKBA archive Message-ID: <1993Apr8.182924.7274@cbnews.cb.att.com> Date: 8 Apr 93 22:50:09 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 1795 This is the INDEX file for the anonymous ftp RKBA archive. The archive site has been moved and is now at: godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu in the directory /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba This archive is accessible only via anonymous ftp; instructions for anonymous ftp are at the end of this file. An email server is available at another site, and as a result is not completely in sync with this archive. To get the index for the rkba email-server send: get rkba index as the body of a message to listserv@mainstream.com For help send: help If you have any additions or suggestions for improvement to the RKBA archive please let me know. -- Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or l.v.cipriani@att.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: rkba82 Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session, February, 1982 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HCR11 House Concurrent Resolution 11 by Mr. Crane, January 3, 1991 Expressing the sense of the Congress with respect to the right of all Americans to keep and bear arms in defense of life or liberty and in pursuit of all other legitimate endeavors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HJR438 House Joint Resolution 438 by Mr. Major Owens, March 11, 1992 Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution; includes comments by Owens entered into the Congressional Record. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1133 House Bill 1133 by Mr. Goodling, February 27, 1991 To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit transfer of firearm to, or possession of a firearm by, a person convicted of a drug crime, and to provide enhanced penalties for possession of a firearm during a drug crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1354 House Bill 1354 by Mr. Scheuer, March 7, 1991 To end the use of steel jaw leghold traps on animals in the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1412 House Bill 1412 by Mr. Staggers, March 13, 1991 To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for the establishment of a national hotline which a Federal Firearms licensee may contact to learn if receipt of a handgun by a prospective transferee is prohibited, and to require such a licensee to contact the hotline before the transfer of a handgun to a nonlicensee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1559 House Bill 1559 by Mr. Gibbons, March 21, 1991 To prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and certain accessories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1770 House Bill 1770 by Mr. Smith of Florida, April 15, 1991 To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain handguns which are unsuitable for lawful sporting purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR19 House Bill 19 by Mr. Hughes January 3, 1991 To prohibit the possession, transfer, and certain exports of restricted weapons, the manufacture of firearms capable of accepting a silencer or bayonet without alteration, and the possession and transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR282 House Bill 282 by Mrs. Collins, January 3, 1991 To provide for the mandatory registration of handguns. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR2922 House Bill 2922 by Mr. Cardin, July 17, 1991 To amend the Public Health Service Act to establish an entitlement of States and certain political subdivisions of States to receive grants for the abatement of health hazards associated with lead-based paint, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to impose an excise tax and establish a trust fund to satisfy the Federal obligations arising from such entitlement. [This bill would impose upto a $0.75/pound tax on all new lead, and $0.37/pound tax on recycled lead.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR318 House Bill 318 by Mr. Dornan, January 3, 1991 To amend the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit dog racing and dog training involving the use of live animals as visual lure and to make such Act applicable to facilities that are used for dog racing or dog race training. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR3371 House Bill 3371 ""The Violent Crime Prevention Act of 1991"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR371 House Bill 371 by Mr. Marlenee, January 3, 1991 To protect persons engaged in a lawful hunt within a national forest; establishing an administrative civil remedy against individuals or groups intentionally obstructing, impeding, or interfering with the conduct of a lawful hunt; and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/101st/HR4079 House Bill 4079 by Mr. Gingrich, February 22, 1990 To provide swift and certain punishment for criminals in order to deter violent crime and rid America of illegal drug use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR436 House Bill 436 by Mr. Weiss, January 3, 1991 To prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR465 House Bill 465 by Mr. Rangel, January 7, 1991 To prohibit certain exports of fully automatic or semiautomatic assault weapons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR4897 House Bill 4897 by Mr. Cunningham, April 9, 1992 To amend title I of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to deny grant funds to States unless law enforcement officers are permitted to carry concealed firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR5633 House Bill 5633 by Mr. Schumer, July 21, 1992 To amend title 18, United States Code, to expand the scope of the multiple firearms sales reporting requirement, and to require that persons comply with State and local firearms licensing laws before receiving a Federal license to deal in firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR5807 House Bill 5807 by Mr. Schumer, August 10, 1992 To impose criminal penalties upon the failure of a Federal firearms licensee to report to appropriate authorities the loss or theft of a firearm from the inventory or collection of the licensee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR7 House Bill 7 by Mr. Feighan To require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun; also known as ""The Brady Bill"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR750 House Bill 750 by Mr. Russo, January 30, 1991 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide that the excise tax on handguns will be transferred to a trust fund to be used for purposes of providing compensation to victims of crime, and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S214 Senate Bill 214 by Mr. Hatch, January 15, 1991 To provide procedures for calling Federal constitutional conventions under article V for the purpose of proposing amendments to the United States Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S2304 Senate Bill 2304 by Mr. Lautenberg, March 3, 1992 To amend title 18, United States Code, to permanently prohibit the possession of firearms by persons who have been convicted of a violent felony, and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S257 Senate Bill 257 To require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S2813 Senate Bill 2813 by Mr. Gore, June 4, 1992 To establish in the Government Printing Office an electronic gateway to provide public access to a wide range of Federal databases containing public information stored electronically. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S2913 Senate Bill 2913 by Mr. Chafee, June 30 1992 To prohibit the manufacture, importation, exportation, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and ammunition, with certain exceptions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S3282 Senate Bill 3282 by Mr. Mitchell, September 28 1992 To amend title 18, United States Code, to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/101st/S386 Senate Bill 386 by Mr. Metzenbaum, February 8, 1989 To control the sale and use of assault weapons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S51 Senate Bill 51 by Mr. Moynihan, January 14, 1991 To prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S634 Senate Bill 634 by Mr. Symms, March 13, 1991 To amend chapter 44, title 18, United States Code, to provide clarification of limitations on controls of firearms, and to prohibit the use of Federal funds to political subdivisions which implement certain gun control ordi- nances. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/101st/S747 Senate Bill 747 by Mr. DeConcini, To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, regarding assault weapons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S789 Senate Bill 789, by Mr. Moynihan, April 9, 1991 To prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and certain accessories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S892 Senate Bill 892, By Mr. Metzenbaum, April 23, 1991 To amend title 15, United States Code, to authorize the Consumer Product Safety Commission to regulate the risk of injury associated with firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S918 Senate Bill 918, by Mr. Packwood, April 24, 1991 The amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exempt small manufacturers, producers, and importers from the firearms excise tax. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HCR3 House Concurrent Resolution 3, by Mr. Crane, January 5, 1993 Expressing the sense of the Congress with respect to the right of all Americans to keep and bear arms in defense of life or liberty and in the pursuit of all other legitimate endeavors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HJR81 House Joint Resolution, by Mr. Owens, January 27, 1993 Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR277 House Bill 277, by Mr. Mazolli, January 5, 1993 To amend title 18, United States Code, to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR544 House Bill 544, by Mr. Torricelli, January 21, 1993 To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the transfer of 2 or more handguns to an individual in any 30-day period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR661 House Bill 661, by Mrs. Collins, January 27, 1993 To provide for the manufacturer, importer, or dealer of a handgun or an assault weapon to be held strictly liable for damages that result from the use of the handgun or assault weapon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR737 House Bill 737, by Mr. REYNOLDS, February 2, 1993 To provide for the manufacturer or importer of a handgun or an assault weapon to be held strictly liable for damages that result from the use of the handgun or assault weapon, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to increase the excise tax on firearms and use a portion of the revenues from such tax to assist hospitals in urban areas to provide medical care to gunshot victims who are not covered under any health plan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR1025 House Bill 1025, by Mr. Schumer, February 22, 1993 To provide for a waiting period before the purchase of a hadgun, and for the establishment of a national instant criminal background check system to be contacted by firearms dealers before the transfer of any firearm. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S108 Senate Bill 108, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993 To prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and certain accessories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S109 Senate Bill 109, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993 To amend section 923 of title 18, United States Code, to require the keeping of records with respect to dispositions of ammunition, and to require a study of the use and possible regulation of sales of ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S178 Senate Bill 178, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993 To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S179 Senate Bill 179, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993 To tax 9 millimeter, .25 caliber, and .32 caliber bullets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S376 Senate Bill 376, by Mr. Lautenberg, February 16, 1993 To prohibit the transfer of 2 or more handguns to an individual in any 30-day period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S414 Senate Bill 414, by Mr. Metzenbaum, February 24, 1993 To amend title 18, United States Code, to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-free-zones Text of the GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES ACT OF 1990 from PUBLIC LAW 101-647 NOV. 29, 1990 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aclu A collection of articles on the ACLU's position on gun control. Included is ACLU Policy Statement #47 which gives the ACLU interpretation of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dcm-info A collection of articles explaining the Civilian Marksmanship Program. In other words, ""Why does the United States Department of Defense sell battle rifles to civilians ? "" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dial911 ""Dial 911 and Die!"" By Aaron Zelman and Jay Simkin of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fija-info The Fully Informed Jury Amendment, and what it means to gun owners and the right to keep and bear arms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: whitemanslaw White Man's Law by William R. Tonso, from the December 1985 Reason magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: jefferson The First Inaugural Address of Thomas Jefferson, 2nd president of the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: jewishistory Jewish History Rufutes Gun Control Activists, by Elliot Rothenberg from the February 1988 *American Rifleman*. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: law-abiding The Law-Abiding Gun Owner as Domestic and Acquaintance Murderer from ""Guns, Murders, and the Constitution: A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control,"" by Don B. Kates, February, 1990, pp.45-49. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: second-ideology ""The Second Amendment and the Ideology of Self-Protection"" by Don B. Kates, Jr. Reprinted from CONSTITUTIONAL COMMENTARY, Vol. 9. No. 1. Winter 1992, (c) 1992 by Constitutional Commentary, Kates puts the Second Amendment and philosophies of self-protection into a historical perspective ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: new-understa Toward a New Understanding of the Second Amendment, by David T. Hardy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: to-bear-arms ""To Bear Arms for Self Defense: Our Second Amendment Heritage"" by Stephen P. Halbrook. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: no-treason No Treason, The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: resistance Excerpts from the study ""Crime Control Through the Use of Armed Force"", by Associate Professor Dr. Gary Kleck, Florida State University School of Criminology, published in the February 1988 issue of SOCIAL PROBLEMS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: waitper-qna Waiting Period -- Questions and Answers by Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI) and Citizens for Safe Government (CSG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: warsaw ""The Warsaw Ghetto; 10 Handguns Against Tyranny"", by Dr. David I Caplan from February, 1988 American Rifleman. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: wethepeople Supreme Court interpretations of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: sc-ftp How to retreive Supreme Court decisions via anonymous ftp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: alternative-policy ALTERNATIVE POLICY FUTURES by Franklin E. Zimring from THE ANNALS OF THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SCIENCE. Volume 455, May 1981; published by The American Academy of Political and Social Science; 1981. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: embarassing.2nd.amendment The Embarassing Second Amendment by Sanford Levinson, Yale Law Journal Volume 99, pp 637-659 (1989) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra800 Phone numbers for the NRA, many are toll-free 800 numbers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nradrugs A collection of articles on the NRA's position on the War on Drugs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fl-aw-part1 Florida A.W. Commission - Exec Summary Part 1, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fl-aw-part2 Florida A.W. Commission - Exec Summary Part 2, STOCKTON -- THE FACTS by Martin L. Fackler, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: iwba Information about the International Wound Ballistics Association, Martin Fackler, president ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gunshyjudges Gun-Shy Judges by Jacob Sullum, from the May 1991 issue of Reason Magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: heatofmoment In the Heat of the Moment, By James D. Wright ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: racist-soil Article ""Gun Control Sprouts from Racist Soil."" by Roy Innis, from the Wall Street Journal 11/21/91 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: core-policy ""Bearing Arms for Self-Defense -- A Human and Civil Right"" by Roy Innis, National Chairman, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: righttobear The Right to Bear Arms By Sanford Levinson from the Daily News, Ft Walton Beach, FL. (1991) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: rock-island United States of America v. Rock Island Armory, US District Court for the Central District of IL; the court ruled that making a post '86 machine gun is not illegal -- believe it or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dalton United States of America v. John William Dalton, US Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit, 91-1149; the court ruled that owning or transferring a post '86 machine gun is not punishable under the NFA -- believe it or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: waitdanger Why Gun Waiting Periods Threaten Public Safety By David B. Kopel, March 25, 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aw-qna Assault Weapon Questions & Answers by Handgun Control, Inc. and Citizens for Safe Government (CSG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: ccw-survey A state by state survey of Carrying Concealed Weapons laws. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: us-vs-miller United States vs. Miller et al., Appeal from the District Court of the United States for the Western District of Arkansas. Argued March 30, 1939 -- Decided May 15, 1939 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: presser The history of Presser v Illinois is a fascinating exercise of how politically based decisions on our Constitutional rights have come back to haunt us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cia-ncbh A column by Neal Knox presenting evidence that former CIA agent Edwin O. Welles played a major role in founding HCI and NCBH. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: conphone A list of voice and fax phone number for representatives and senators. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: billofrights The first 10 articles of amendment to the United States Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: constitution The Constitution of the United States of America ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: decl-of-indp The Declaration of Independence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dont-wait ""Criminals Don't Wait -- Why Should You ?"" from the NRA. Exposes the fraudulent arguments made for waiting periods. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: external Positive Externalities of Gun Ownership, by John Kell, from ""The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty, October 1991 "" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: english-hist Firearms Legislation in Great Britain, by Jan A. Stevenson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: simkin ""Control Criminals, Not Guns"" by Jay Edward Simkin found in the March, 25 1991 [or '92?] Wall Street Journal: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: unabridged The Unabridged Second Amendment, by J. Neil Schulman An interview with Roy Copperud, retired professor of journalism at USC and author of ""American Usage and Style: The Consensus"". Copperud offers his professional opinion on the meaning of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: uzitruth A letter from J. Harper Wilson, Director FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program to Paul H. Blackman, Research Coordinator of the NRA stating that only one police officer, of Puerto Rico, was shot and killed with a semi-automatic 9mm Model A Uzi. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: maketheirday ""How to Make Their Day"" by Don B. Kates Jr. and Patricia Terrell Harris in the National Review, October 21, 1991 Kates and Harris debunk several myths about firearms, criminals, and violence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: two-myths Two myths of gun control from ""Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America"" by Gary Kleck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aw-not-problem ""Assault Weapons Aren't the Problem"", by Gary Kleck, published in The New York Times Tuesday, September 1, 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: oregon-study 1990 Oregon Study of Retail Firearm Sales and CHL Licensing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: children Fighting for Children's Hearts and Minds by Robert Pew, American Rifleman - April 1992 Discusses how HCI and it's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence have set out to use public schools as forums for their anti-gun propaganda. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gunssputter ""Guns and Sputter"" by James D. Wright, from July 1989 issue of REASON. Wright exposes the flaws in the New England Journal of Medicine study comparing the homicide rates of Seattle and Vancouver. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm-info A collection of articles and information on the New England Journal of Medicine Vancouver/Seattle handgun crime comparison study. See also the file gunssputter, authored by James Wright. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dcstudy.1 The New England Journal of Medicine. 1991 Dec 5. 325 (23). pp 1647-1650. Editorials: Firearms And The Killing Threshold. Kassirer-Jerome-P. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dcstudy.2 The New England Journal of Medicine. 1991 Dec 5. 325 (23). pp 1615-1620. Special Article: Effects Of Restrictive Licensing Of Handguns On Homicide And Suicide In The District Of Columbia. Loftin-Colin. McDowall-David. Wiersema-Brian. Cottey-Talbert-J. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm-editorial The New England Journal of Medicine. 1988 Nov 10. 319 (19). pp 1283-1285. Editorial: Firearm Injuries: A Call For Science. Mercy-James-A. Houk-Vernon-N. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm-letters The New England Journal of Medicine. 1989 May 4. 320 (18). pp 1214-1217. Correspondence: Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, And Homicide: A Tale Of Two Cities. Blackman-Paul-H. Hagen-Tim. Morris-David-C. Stolinsky-David-C. Tirer-Samuel. Gryder-John-W. Kuziak-John-D. Sloan-John-H. Kellerman-Arthur-L-Kellermann. Rivara-Fred-P. Koepsell-Thomas. Reay-Donald-T. LoGerfo-James-P. Rice-Charles. Ferris-James-A. Gray-Laurel- A. Mercy-James-A. Houk-Vernon-N. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: suicide.1 The New England Journal of Medicine. 1990 Feb 8. 322 (6). pp 369-373. Special Article: Firearm Regulations And Rates Of Suicide: A Comparison of Two Metropolitan Areas. Sloan-John-Henry. Rivara-Frederick-P. Reay-Donald-T. Ferris-James-A-J. Kellermann-Arthur-L. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: suicide.2 The New England Journal of Medicine. 1990 Jul 12. 323 (2). p 137. Correspondence: Firearm Regulations and Rates of Suicide. Blackman-Paul-H. Sloan-John-Henry. Rivara-Frederick-P. Kellermann-Arthur. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: totc The New England Journal of Medicine. 1988 Nov 10. 319 (19). pp 1256-1262. Special Article: Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, And Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities. Sloan-John-Henry. Kellermann-Arthur-L. Reay-Donald-T. Ferris-James-A. Koepsell-Thomas. Rivara-Frederick-P. Rice-Charles. Gray-Laurel. LoGerfo-James. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra.cdc An open letter from Paul H. Blackman, of NRA to the Director, Office of Scientific Integrity Review, U.S. Public Health Service, detailing why they should evaluate the integrity and competency of firearms research conducted by and for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.000 What the RKBA.nnn files are all about. The RKBA.nnn series are set of small (60-100 lines typically) postings that address common questions and myths about all aspects of firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.001 Accidental deaths by firearms and by other means. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE: RKBA.002 Declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.003 Homicide per capita in the US ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.004 Children and firearms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.008 Annual firearm manufacture in the United States ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.010 Declaration of Independence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.013 Trend in weapons use for robberies (1974-86) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.014 Reasons for homicide and non-negligent manslaughter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.015 Are firearms a leading cause of death of children? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.016 Is the United States the most violent nation? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.999 Complete list of all sources used for the RKBA.nnn series. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cox-study Analysis of the Cox Atlanta Journal Constitution, 21 May 1989 article on Assault Weapons, by James J. Baker of NRA-ILA, before the Select Committee on Narcotics Abuse and Control, U.S. House of Representatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: feder11.txt The Federalist Papers, as transcribed by Project Gutenberg 1.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: great-quotes Thomas Jefferson quotes and more ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: civilian Civilian Possession of Military Firearms, by Richard A. I. Munday, from the January/February 1988 issue of the UK Handgunner. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: good-go-bad ""When Good, Law-Abiding Citizens Go Bad"", from UK Handgunner No. 46 Jan-Feb 1989. Discusses how the rate of compliance of gun control laws is always very low, even among otherwise law abiding citizens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: tory-national-socialism ""Tory National Socialism"", by Richard A.I. Munday, UK Handgunner, Jul-Aug 86. Discusses the gun control leanings of socialists of the right. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: the-big-lie "" Gun Grabbers vs. Assault Rifles: The Big Lie"" by Neal Knox, Semi-auto military-styled ""assault"" rifles are not now nor have they ever been a threat to society. These facts have been determined by the government - but never released to the public! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: ff-47 ""The Founding Fathers and the AK-47"", by Sue Wimmershoff-Caplan Discuss the question if the Founding Fathers would have approved of the AK-47 for civilian ownership. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hcikkk ""Handgun Control, Inc., & the KKK"" by David Kopel, from the Oct 91 issue of Gun World magazine. Discusses the parallels in the hate campaigns of the Ku Klux Klan and Handgun Control, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: rkba-orgs A list of organizations devoted to the preservation of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: victoria ""The Gun Law Handbook"" for the state of Victoria, Australia (Oct 1988). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra-purposes A summary of the NRA's purposes and objectives, and positions on some gun control issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: ktw A collection of articles relating to teflon coated, armor piercing bullets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: thompsoncenter The Supreme Court decision in the case: United States of America v. Thompson/Center Arms Co. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: DMN_Gratia_CCP ""Concealed weapons can prevent tragedies like Killeen's"" by Dr. Suzanna Gratia in the Dallas Morning News, Sunday April 29th, 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: Knox_AW_lies Neal Knox on how military style semi-auto's are not a threat to public safety, how they are not fundamentally different than ordinary hunting weapons, and how the gun grabbers are exploiting the bad image this class of weapons has to enact further gun control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: WSJ_Crimestrik ""The NRA Mounts a Militant Campaign Taking Aim at Criminal-Justice System"" by Alix M. Freedman staff reporter of The Wall Street Journal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: med-media ""Gun Prohibition in the Medical Literature - Telling the Truth?"" by Edgar A. Suter, MD ; discusses anti-gun bias in medical journals. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: toy-guns ""Court Psychologist Says Toy Guns Are Good For Children"" from Gun Week, 1989. Glen David Skoler, court psychologist for the Arlington County, VA, claims ""toys of violence"" -- including toy guns are, in fact, good for children. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: awca89-appeal Text of the 9th Circuit court of Appeals in the Fresno Rifle and Pistol Club challenge to California's Roberti-Roos Assault Weapon Control Act of 1989. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: lp92-rkba The right to keep and bear arms plank of the 1992 National Platform of the Libertarian Party. And a reproduction of the Libertarian Party brochure ""Responsible Gun Ownership: Equal Rights for America's Gun Owners"" The entire 1992 National Platform of the LP is available via anonymous ftp on think.com in the file /pub/libernet/LP/libertarian-platform-1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: let-july91 An article from the July/August 1991 issue of Law Enforcement Technology with a survey of police officers on their views of gun control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nacp-poll A study conducted by the National Association of the Chiefs of Police (NACP) through its American Law Enforcement Survey for 1989, in which 16,259 chiefs of police, sheriffs and law-enforcement command personnel were polled with a list of 30 questions, it was determined the overwhelming majority of officers support the right of private arms ownership, and agreed that gun bans had little effect on crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-advert A example of the propaganda used by HCI in soliciting contributions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-transcript A transcription of the HCI video tape ""America Needs a National Handgun Control Policy"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gartner Michael Gartner, president of NBC News, calls for a ban on handguns in this USA TODAY Thursday January 16th 1992 editorial. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra-lp A resolution passed by the voting membership of the NRA at its national convention in Anaheim, CA stating the NRA will support third party candidates. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cooley Thomas M. Cooley, LL.D., General Principles of Constitutional Law in the United States of America, 298-299 (3rd ed. 1898), a leading constitutional commentator discussed the rights protected by the Second Amendment: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: kilpatrick ""Gun Law Might Curb Rising Murder Rate"" by James Kilpatrick, St. Louis Post-Dispatch Tuesday June 23, 1992. Kilpatrick expresses support for a national firearms law as proposed by C. Everett Koop, that is, a requirement that gun owners pass a competency test, among other things. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: vanity-fair A summary of the 10 page article on Jim and Sarah Brady which appeared in the January '91 issue of Vanity Fair Magazine. Question: ""Was it true you wanted to get a gun to protect yourself against Hinckley?"" Answer Jim brady: ""I had a gun"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: goldwin ""Gun Control Is Constitutional,"" by Robert A. Goldwin from the Wall Street Journal edtorial page, Thrusday, December 12, 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: anniston Two articles on a murder averted in Anniston, Alabama by a man with a CCW permit. The importance of this event is that it closely followed the murders by Hennard in Texas, but the media did not cover Anniston. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: staggers-brady A survey of public support for the Staggers Instant Background Check and the Brady Waiting Period. The basic finding is that once the public understands the advantages of the instant background check vs. the problems with the Brady waiting period support for the Brady waiting period diminishes greatly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: brady-vote How Congress voted on the Staggers Instant Background Check and the Brady Waiting period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: vs-vote How Congress voted on the Volkmer-Sensenbrenner Amendment to strike the new gun control sections from the administration crime bill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dc-vote How the U.S. Senate voted on S. 2113, the repeal of the District of Columbia's anti-gun strict liability law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: covey ""Gun Control: Trying the Facts, Weighing the Values"" A monograph based on ""Crime, Inequality, Guns, & Equity"" by Preston K. Covey, Ph.D., Director Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics, Carnegie Mellon University. Addresses the desirability of gun bans: ethical aspects, equity issues, and other values at stake in the management of mortal risks, deadly force and its instruments. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: assays-of-bias ""Assays of Bias on the Second Amendment: The Media Elite"" by Preston K. Covey, Director Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics [excerpts from a longer monograph] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cleveland A critique of: ACCIDENTAL FIREARM FATALITIES IN A METROPOLITAN COUNTY (1958-1973) Rushforth, Hirsch, Ford, and Adelson American Journal of Epidemiology #100, 1974, pp. 499-505. This is THE study that lies at the heart of the gun control claim that owning a firearm for self-defense is too dangerous. The claims that a defensive gun is X (=6 in this study) times more likely to be used against an innocent person than in lawful self-defense originated with this report in 1974. by Robert I. Kesten ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: tiananmen-lessons ""LESSONS FROM TIANANMEN SQUARE"" by Neal Knox reprinted from Guns & Ammo, September 1989 Why the Second Amendment is so important, even in todays more ""progressive"" era. Included is a description of the 1932 Bonus March in Washington, DC in which Gen. Douglas MacArthur opposed unemployed WWI veterans lobbying for the government to immediately pay their promised Veteran's Bonus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: forward-trace ""California FFL Dealer Defies ""Forward Trace"""" by Neal Talbot in The New Gun Week, March 1, 1991. Details how the BATF bullies FFL holders into giving BATF copies of 4473's in violation of federal law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: justice-stats ""Handgun Crime Victims"", by Michael R. Rand, Bureau of Justice Statistics Statistician, U.S. Department of Justice. This Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report describes the key findings from an analysis of handgun crimes reported in the National Crime Survey for 1979-87. It describes the victims of hand-gun [sic] crime, how the handgun was used during the crime, and the nature and extent of handgun crime injury. It also provides information on handgun offenders, the location of handgun crimes, and whether the crime was reported to the police. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: chafee Included are: 1) Transcript of press conference with Senator John Chafee, and former Supreme Court justice Warren Burger on S. 2913, Chafee's, handgun ban. Also speaking was Vernon Jordan, former member of the Jimmy Carter White House; Mayor Sharon Pratt Kelly; Michael Beard of National Coalition to Stop Gun Violence; Michael Casserly (executive director, Council of the Great City Schools); Dr. Carden Johnston representing the American Academy of Pediatrics; 2) An article by Neal Knox in which he describes how Sarah Brady kicked out HCI president Charles Orasin because of a disagreement on Chafee's handgun ban. 3) An article on Burger's support for S. 2913. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: alarmist-view ""Gun Registration: An 'Alarmist' View"" by Jon vanWormer; reprinted from the December 1985 Guns & Ammo. How an rkba moderate became a radical. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fackler-papers A list of articles by ""Col. Martin L. Fackler, M.D., F.A.C.S."" Wound Ballistics Lab, and where to write for copies of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-war ""THE GREAT AMERICAN GUN WAR"" by Barry Bruce-Briggs, _The_Public_Interest_ No. 45, Fall 1976, pp 37-62 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: george-will ""Repeal Second Amendment and Save Lives"", by George Will ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: reeves ""Drastic Steps to End the War at Home"" by Richard Reeves, no date nor publication available; placed in rkba archive 9/2/92 ""Studies _Prove_ Gun Control Works"" by Richard Reeves, from the Kansas City Star, 9/28/92. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: canada-ban-list A reproduction of a brochure from the Canadian Department of Justice listing newly prohibited and restricted firearms (as of June 1992). Also included is the ""point system"" used to determine if a firearm should be reviewed for possible banning. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: copkiller Lyrics to the rock song ""Cop Killer"" by Ice-T on the album Body Count. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cva.1 A letter from the California Voters Alliance, asking for support in their effort to defeat anti-gun California Assemblyman Terry Friedman, co-author of California's waiting period law for rifles and shotguns. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: astrology ""CRIMINOLOGY'S ASTROLOGY: The CDC Approach to Public Health Research on Firearms and Violence"" by PAUL H. BLACKMAN, Ph.D., Institute for Legislative Action, National Rifle Association, 1990 A paper presented at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology, Baltimore, Maryland, November 7-10 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aw-panic The Assault Weapon Panic: ""Political Correctness"" Takes Aim, at the Constitution, by Eric Morgan and David Kopel Published by The Independence Institute, October 10, 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: state-rkba A collection of RKBA provisions from State constitutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: too-late Chapter 13 ""But then it was too Late"" of ""THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE: The Germans, 1933 - 1945"", by: Milton Mayer, University of Chicago Press ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: militia-code The legal definition of the militia of the United States of America taken from: United Stated Code (USC), TITLE 10, Section 311 and Section 312. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: legal-mg-crime Report No. 32 of the Firearms Coalition of Silver Spring, MD. 11/29/89 by Neal Knox. Knox reports that a legally registered machine gun was used in a drug hit. Subsequent reports said charges were dropped for lack of evidence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-cash HCI donation records to US Senators and Congressmen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: paulreverenet Information about the ""Paul Revere Net"", a network of 2nd Amendment Bulletin Boards The Paul Revere Network (PRN) is a coast-to-coast network of committed grass-roots gun rights activists who rely upon computer bulletin board systems for their primary mode of communication. Leroy Pyle (NRA Director and 27-year San Jose police veteran) is Founder and Director of the PRN. Based in San Jose, CA, Pyle's BBS (1:143/223) currently hubs all network message traffic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-talk Information about the NRA-ILA Bulletin Board ""Gun Talk"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congressgrades A grading of congressmen based their votes on 1) the Brady Bill (HR7), 2) Staggers (HR1412) and 3) the Volkmer-Sensenbrenner amendment to strike the anti-gun provisions from the house crime bill (HR3371). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: lawmaster ""FEDS TRASH LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNER'S HOME"", NRA official journal March 1992, by Richard E. Gardiner. Details how the BATF raided the home of Johnny Lawmaster in search of a non-existent unregistered M-16 auto-sear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: point-blank The concluding chapter to ""Point Blank"" by Gary Kleck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: purdy-rapsheet Patrick Purdy's criminal record. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: progundocs Statement of purpose and contact information for ""Doctors for Integrity in Research & Public Policy"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: orlando A summary of the effects of the highly publicized Orlando training program in which over 6000 women were trained in basic pistol marksmanship and the law of self-defense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: form4signoff A letter from Wayne Miller, Chief National Firearms Act Branch of BATF stating that local law enforcement signoff on the ATF Form 4, application for Taxpaid Transfer and Registration of Firearm [i.e., machine gun], is completely discretionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: badlands.txt New Zealand Firearms Control by Robert Badlands. A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988. The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: danto.txt Issues Regarding Gun Control in America by Bruce L. Danto A paper was presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988. The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fine.txt Impediments to the Purposeful Reform of (Australian) Firearms Laws by J. D. Fine A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988. The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: greenwd.txt Untitled paper by Colin Greenwood A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988. The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: kates.txt Gun Control: Recent Research on the American Experience by Don B. Kates, Jr. A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988. The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: marsden.txt Gun Control: A Banker's Perspective, by ??? Marsden A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988. The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. Note, this paper is almost impossible to read currently as the original would not scan well. A more readable copy will be supplied later. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: backdoor Back Door Gun Control by Peter Alan Kasler from the January 1993 issue of American Survival Guide magazine. Kasler discusses four examples of innocent people whose firearms are confiscated, and/or charged with a crime when none was committed, as examples of how gun control is implemented in the real world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: armed-citizen ""The Armed Citizen"" feature from ""The American Rifleman"" and ""The American Hunter""; these stories show how firearms are indeed useful for self-defense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: botsford The Case Against Gun Control by David Botsford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: academia-bias ""Fighting Anti-Gun Bias in Academia -- an article downloaded from the NRA-ILA BBS ""Gun Talk"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: story-of-gun ""The Story of a Gun"" by Erik Larson, from ""The Atlantic"", January 1993. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hcr** Reports to the Firearms Coalition, by Neal Knox. All these files are named hcr then two numbers, e.g., hcr51 for ""Report No. 51 to the Firearms Coalition"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: whose.txt ""Whose Side Are They On ?"" ""Freedom From War: The United States Program For General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World."" an official publication of the United States of America government. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nccfa Contact information for the ""National Collegiate Coalition for Firearms Awareness"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: canada Some facts about Canadian gun control laws, gun ownership and violent crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: time-letter Time magazine's form letter response to criticism of their ""Death By Gun"" issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-in-school ""Health Objectives for the Nation: Weapon-Carrying Among High School Students -- United States, 1990"" edited by David Dodell, D.M.D. Proposes ways to reduce carrying of firearms by high school students. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress-cover ""Congress Covers Itself But Not Public"" by Paul Craig Roberts, printed in the Cleveland Plain Dealer October 2nd, 1992. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hamper ""Restrictions hamper law abiding folks, not criminals."" by David B. Kopel, printed in the Columbus OH Dispatch, January 16th. Points out how waiting periods can cause a great deal of harm. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: schumer-gripe A ""Washington Post"" letter to the editor by Congessman Charles E. Schumer discussing his bill, H.R. 5633, which requires law enforcement sign-off on FFL applications. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: sof A UPI article on a lawsuit against ""Soldier of Fortune"" which forced them out of business. This article is copyright by UPI, and archived with permission; please respect the re-distribution prohibition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fl-stats A summary of CCW permit statistics for the state of Florida, e.g., the number of permits issued, number revoked, number denied, etc. This proves that people obtaining CCW permits are law abiding citizens and are not wreckless with their firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: knox-on-ruger ""Knox Replies To Comment From Ruger Counsel's"" from The New Gun Week, December 1, 1989. Neal Knox discusses how Sturm, Ruger Inc. are willing to sacrifice the RKBA for the benefit of their business. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: american-blacks ""Gun Control and American Blacks"" by Raymond G. Kessler (pp. 476-478) In the United States, the experience of blacks from slavery through the 1960's was one of the clearest and best-documented examples of the political functions of gun control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nraction* The NRA-ILAs little known newsletter ""NRAction""; names will have the month and year at the end, e.g., nraction0291. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: americamilitia ""America's Militia"" by David B. Kopel, appeared in ""Gun World"" magazine December 1992. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci93agenda The ""Action Agenda for a National Gun Policy"" by HCI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-newsletter The Handgun Control Semi-Annual Progress Report for December 1992. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hattoripetition A petition written by the host family of Japanese exchange student Yoshihiro Hattori, who was killed when he went to the wrong home for a Halloween party: ""To protest the easy availability of firearms in the United States"" which will be presented to President Clinton. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-election ""What the Election Means for Our Gun Control Movement"" by Sarah Brady. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: centerwall University of Washington Pyschiatrist Dr. Brandon Centerwall writing in the April 1989 American Journal of Epidemiology says that television exposure is related to half of the homicides in the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: va-outrage ""An Outrage in Virginia"" by Neal Knox. Describes how BATF used a Virginia gun dealer to general strawman sales and then later ""traced"" those guns back to VA so they could claim 40% of guns they traced came from VA. When the dealer stopped cooperating they were convicted of conducting strawman sales, one of the owners committed suicide. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: factcard93 The 1993 Firearms Fact Card published by the NRA-ILA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm43 A letter to the editor of the Wall Street Journal by Preston Covey on the factoid ""You are 43 times more likely to kill someone you know with a gun than a criminal."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gifford An op-ed piece by Dan Gifford which appeared in the March 8 1993 issue of the Cleveland Plain Dealer; it discusses the issue of police abuses and citizen self defense against such abuses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: reynolds An editorial ""Gun Makers Must Pay the Price"" by Mel Reynolds (D-IL), member US House of Representatives, which appeared in the 02/15/93 issue of the Chicago Tribune. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: pozner ""Gun Control"" with Vladamir Pozner (yes, the commie) and Phil Donahue from a Feb. 25 1993 broadcast on CNBC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: trustpeople CATO Institute Policy Analysis No. 109, July 11, 1988 ""TRUST THE PEOPLE: THE CASE AGAINST GUN CONTROL,"" by David B. Kopel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: bitterprice The British Shooter Pays A Bitter Price, by Keith G. N. Nicholson from the American Rifleman, March 1993. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: batman ""Cartoon Campaign for Gun Control"" from the March 8th 1993 issue of ""New American"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: batfss ""Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43"" from the Wall Street Journal, Monday, March 15, 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: academics Contact information for ""Academics for the Second Amendment"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: propaganda Anti-Gun-Ownership Propaganda, by Doan Boal in the March, '92 issue of Survival Guide. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: media-fairness Media Fairness Action Plan Is Continuing, by James H. Warner, NRA Ass't General Counsel, from American Rifleman, March 1993, page 54. This describes the FCC's ""personal attack"" rule and how the NRA may take advantage of this rule against broadcasters who attack the NRA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: artconf ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION, Proposed by Congress November 15, 1777, Ratified and effective March 1, 1781 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: pending-bills A list of the currently pending gun control bills in the US Seante and House of Representatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: noduty Self-Reliance For Self-Defense -- Police Protection Isn't Enough! by Peter Kasler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: leftout The Second Amendment: A Right Left Out, by Doctor Linda Karen Miller appearing in The American Rifleman, February 1993, p. 33. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: copsnguns WHAT COPS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE GUN ISSUE! by Leroy Pyle, from the May 1992 issue of Guns&Ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: crossfire A transcript of the Wednesday, March 3 1993 edition of the CNN show CROSSFIRE. The participants are Michael Kinsley, John Sununu, Rep. Charles Schumer (D-NY) Criminal Justice Subcmte., and J.F. = Rep. Jack Fields (R-TX) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: naziconnection The WAR ON GUN OWNERSHIP STILL GOES ON! -- GUN CONTROL'S NAZI CONNECTION! by Craig Peterson from the May 1993 issue of Guns & Ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: armedcriminal The Armed Criminal in America, by James Wright, 1986. A Research in Brief published by the National Institute of Justice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: bigotry ""BIGOTRY, SYMBOLISM AND IDEOLOGY IN THE BATTLE OVER GUN CONTROL"" by Don Kates, from the 1992 ""Public Interest Law Review"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: flmurd.ps File: gamurd.ps File: idmurd.ps File: mtmurd.ps File: nodiscr.ps File: ormurd.ps File: pamurd.ps File: philmurd.ps File: utmurd.ps File: vamurd.ps File: wamurd.ps File: wvmurd.ps CCW laws and murder rates in several states, by Clayton Cramer. These are all PostScript files and require the use of PostScript printer to print. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hammer Marion Hammer on the Failure of Gun Control, downloaded from Gun Talk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: threechiefs The views of Police Chiefs Daryl Gates (LA), Lee Brown (NYC), LeRoy Martin (Chicago) on gun control and other civil rights. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RKBA archive: general information and anonymous ftp instructions. The moderator of the firearms-politics mailing list, Karl Kleinpaste, has agreed to set up an anonymous ftp archive directory for RKBA related information. This directory can be used for things like articles by Kates, Wright, Tonso, Levinson, Supreme Court Decisions, the RIA vs US decision, copies of legislation, and so on. It's not meant to be for the discussions that normally appear here. So, in the future if you're looking for something check there first and then ask here. Instructions: Short version for techies: The site is godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu. Place contributions into the directory /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba. The ftp commands get, put, mget, or mput should work. Give the command ""type binary"" to be sure files are transferred correctly. Your files will be moved to the rkba directory. To get a file use the commands get or mget. I will maintain an index which you should get first to check if the file you want to read or write already is archived. Long version for non-techies: In order for you to use this archive your computer must be on the Internet. To connect to the archive site run the command: ftp godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu If that doesn't work you cannot use this archive. If the ftp command is successful you'll get this prompt asking you for a login: Name (godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu:lvc): Instead of lvc your initials will appear. Answer this prompt with: ftp Next you'll get this prompt asking your for your e-mail address: Guest login ok, send e-mail address as password: I would enter: l.v.cipriani@att.com You'll enter your own e-mail address. You'll get these lines or similar as output: Remote system is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. Next, the command prompt is printed: ftp> If you do not get the line ""Using binary mode to transfer files."" Run the command: type binary Now you're logged in to the archive machine. There are many directories on this machine but the two you are concerned with are /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba and /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/incoming There are subdirectories to the rkba directory, those are discussed below. When you login to the system your directory is /usr0/anon. To retreive files change your current directory to the rkba directory with the command: cd /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba or cd pub/firearms/politics/rkba To submit files change your directory to the incoming directory with the command: cd /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/incoming or cd pub/firearms/politics/incoming Once you do this you'll get another ftp> prompt asking you to enter another command. To find the names of the existing files in the directory you are in run the command: ls -l This will produce something like: total 6021 -r--r--r-- 1 karl 6932 Jun 16 1992 DMN_Gratia_CCP -r--r--r-- 1 karl 69149 Apr 5 19:20 INDEX -r--r--r-- 1 karl 18965 Jun 16 1992 Knox_AW_lies -r--r--r-- 1 karl 10930 Apr 30 1992 S361 -r--r--r-- 1 karl 8958 Jun 16 1992 WSJ_Crimestrike -r--r--r-- 1 karl 2649 Jan 13 18:33 academia-bias -r--r--r-- 1 karl 935 Mar 22 22:38 academics -r--r--r-- 1 karl 36079 Aug 4 1992 aclu ... and so on ... Each line corresponds to one file. Reading right to left, the fields are the file name, the last modification date of the file, the size of the file in bytes, and some permission fields which you do not need to be concerned with. To get a file run the command ""get"" followed by the name of the file you want, for example: get INDEX or get noduty After the file is transfered to your machine a message like this: Transfer complete. 19580 bytes received in 5 seconds (4 Kbytes/s) You can repeat the get command for every file you want to retreive. You can use the mget command to retreive multiple files. If the file you want is in a subdirectory, for example, congress/103rd/HR1025 you should change your directory to the appropriate subdirectory first and then retrieve it: cd congress/103rd get HR1025 Once you're finished you can log off with the command: quit If you have a file you want to contribute the procedure is a little different. First of all you should find out if the file already exists, so get a copy of the index file with the procedure above and look it over to make sure you wouldn't repeat an entry. The index will have a description of each of the files in the rkba directory. For example: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: whitemanslaw White Man's Law by William R. Tonso, from the December 1985 Reason magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Once you've determined you won't be duplicating an entry, login and change to the incoming directory command (see above). Once you are in the incoming directory use the command: put file_name In this case: put whitemanslaw Again there'll be a ""Transfer complete, so many bytes transfered in so many seconds"" message. Now your file is on the archive machine. Another thing to watch out for is duplicate file /names/. Be sure there isn't a file in the incoming directory that is called the same as the file you want to write. If you use the same name you'll overwrite the previous file [or you'll get an error message]. Your file may have to be renamed if there is a conflict with a file by the same name in the rkba directory. Once your file is in the incoming directory send me an entry for the INDEX file and I will add it to the file. If you cannot use anonymous ftp and would still like to contribute a file email the file to me and I'll take care of the rest. If you submit a file and do not notify me it may be removed, so be sure to let me know first. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com -- Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com .. (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. " 2150,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Professors Whining About Pay Distribution: usa Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 53 In article <1qf2kqINNrkd@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: > In article <15320@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > |>In article <1q4k3bINNe6k@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: > |>> In article <15307@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # |## |#2. Professors get summers off; industry employees don't. # |## # |## What professor gets the summer off ? The primary purpose of a professor # |## at a university is to publish. Teaching is secondary. The summer # |## is when professors are able to do the research required for their # |## papers. # |# # |#I'm told by my advisor that only at some universities is publishing # |#the primary emphasis; many professors in the Cal State University # |#system don't publish at all. Those that prefer teaching are under # |#no pressure to publish. # |# # # When discussing and issue, it helps that all participants use the same # definitions, although this rarely occurs on Usenet. # # When I use the term ""university"", I think of an organization that has # a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD program. I believe that Cal State schools # do not. I call them colleges. UC schools are universities. At a univeristy # the number one goal is to publish. Cal State University system offers bachlors and masters degrees. The Ph.D. is not offered, because of opposition from UC. # At the Cal State schools, do the professors you speak of have PhDs? At Nearly all the professors have PhDs. I haven't had a professor who didn't, though my wife has had a couple of professors with just an M.A. A friend had an instructor who didn't have a degree at all, but because he had been Minister of Culture for the Black Panthers, he was teaching anyway. He had a bad habit of usually not showing up to teach the class, and finally quit in disgust at the racism of a university that expected him to show up to teach. # a university you have professors with PhDs and then Teaching Assistants (TAs). # TAs were the slave labor, graduate students who got their tuition paid, and # a few hundred a month for living expenses in exchange for doing all the grunt # work. The professors taught the lectures, with 100 to 500 students per class, # then the TAs taught the labs, with 20 to 30 per class. # # Tim Fogarty (FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV) At Sonoma State University, typical class size is 20 to 30 per class. Teaching is definitely more the goal, and sometimes, it actually happens. The best professors at Sonoma State U. are equivalent to the best professors I had at UCLA and USC. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 2151,9,"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: NL vs. AL? Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article , bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: > How about game length? I don't know if this is a valid statement or not, > but AL games sure seem to last a lot longer. Make sure to take the Sutcliff, Fisk, ect. factor into account. -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) " 2152,2,"Subject: Black Screen of Death, Windows, Novell From: psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"" Lines: 23 Hi there, We are running a 120 node Token ring with Windows 3.1 and Novell 3.11. Every once in a while, we run into ""The Black Screen of Death"", a phrase coined by Robert X. Cringely in a recent InfoWorld column. Basically, sometimes when you quit Windows, the screen goes black and you get a nice little flashing cursor in the top left corner of your screen. Also, sometimes when you exit to DOS, the same effect occurs. Cringely hints that Microsoft and/or Novell has a patch for Windows' virtual interrupt controller that may solve this. Neither company seems to know what I am talking about when I call them. Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon? Is there a fix for it? Any response is welcome. Peter Sweeney psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu " 2153,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 45 In article dpc47852@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Paul Checkman) writes: >bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) writes: > >>Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug >>or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised >>at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, >>reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. But it is quite a leap in logic to observe one situation where anecdotal evidence led nowhere and therefore conclude that anecdotal evidence will NEVER lead anywhere. I'm sure somebody here can provide an example where anecdotal evidence (and the interpretation of it) was upheld/verified by follow-on rigorous clinical trials. >I tend to disagree- I think anecdotal evidence, provided there is a lot of it, >and it is fairly consistent, will is very important. First, it points to the >necessity of doing a study, and second, it at least says that the effects are >all psychological (or possibly allergy in this case). As I've pointed out >person's ""make-believe"" can easily be another person's reality... Good point. There has been a tendency by some on this newsgroup to ""circle the wagons"" to the viewpoint that anecdotal medical evidence is worthless (maybe to counter the claims of those who are presenting anecdotal evidence to support controversial subjects, such as the ""yeast hypothesis""). But evidence is evidence - it requires a ""jury"" or a process to sort it out and determine the truth from the junk. Medicine must continue to strive to better understand the workings of the body/mind for the purpose of alleviating illness - anecdotal evidence is just one piece of the puzzle; it is not worthless. Rather, it can help focus limited resources in the right direction. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 2154,8,"From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes: > In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> > asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: > % By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550, > Why was the ""Zephyr"" discontinued? I heard something about a problem with > the name, but I never did hear anything certain... I don't think the 550 sold very well - most North Americans who ride a standard rather than a sport bike usually want something bigger. People walk into the dealership, look at the 550 and the 750 and say, ""I might as well spring the extra bucks for the bigger engine."" -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca " 2155,7,"From: hong@remus.rutgers.edu (Hyunki Hong) Subject: VW Passat: advice sought Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 8 I am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a VW Passat GLX. How does it compare to a Toyota Camry? I thought the car looked very solid, stable and European. Only disappointment so far is that that it doesn't offer an airbao my next question is, why isn't VW offering automobiles with airbags? Should I pay the extra three thousand for a BMW 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful than than the Passat? " 2156,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES (Henrik) Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 93 In article <1993Apr20.110021.5746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) responsed to henrik@quayle.kpc.com who wrote: [h] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS [h] to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their [h] territorium... [HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today [HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) [HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the [HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? Greater Armenia would stretch from Karabakh, to the Black Sea, to the Mediterranean, so if you use the term ""Greater Armenia"" use it with care. [HE] With facist methods like [HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the [HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to [HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds [HE] by the Armenians. It has always been up to the Azeris to end their announced winning of Karabakh by removing the Armenians! When the president of Azerbaijan, Elchibey, came to power last year, he announced he would be be ""swimming in Lake Sevan [in Armeniaxn] by July"". Well, he was wrong! If Elchibey is going to shell the Armenians of Karabakh from Aghdam, his people will pay the price! If Elchibey is going to shell Karabakh from Fizuli his people will pay the price! If Elchibey thinks he can get away with bombing Armenia from the hills of Kelbajar, his people will pay the price. It also seems other non-Azeri minorities in Azerbaijan have understood they are next in line in this process of forced Azerification or deportation. Just look at the situation with the Lezgians. About the Kurds...what Kurds! According to the Azerbaijani government, there are no Kurds in Azerbaijan. Can't they make up their minds? Oh I see, there are only Kurds when the Azeris want them to be Kurds! And anyway, this ""60 Kurd refugee"" story, as have other stories, are simple fabrications sourced in Baku, modified in Ankara. Other examples of this are Armenia has no border with Iran, and the ridiculous story of the ""intercepting"" of Armenian military conversations as appeared in the New York Times supposedly translated by somebody unknown, from Armenian into Azeri Turkish, submitted by an unnamed ""special correspondent"" to the NY Times from Baku. Real accurate! [h] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane [h] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one [h] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane [h] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. [h] No, Henrik, these Turkish planes should be shot down with no questions asked. [HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 American Cargo planes [HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities [HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo [HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. [HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of [HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not [HE] humanitarian aid..... Your ""facts"" in error. Shipments of all kinds that have transversed Turkey have been either searched, re-routed or confiscated. Some American planes were searched, others were re-routed, others were untouched. Rail shipments were held up last fall and last winter from entering Armenian from Turkey for the purpose of aiding in the economic collapse of Armenia. Wheat was confiscated, other shipments were exchanged with ""crap"" and dirt, then shipped to Armenia. U.S. planes don't have to use Turkish air bases. The U.S. uses these bases to bomb Iraq. Anyway, U.S. planes can fly over Georgia, which they have found is easier than to endure unnecessary expressions of Turkish chauvinism through searches of cargo which to this day have not revealed anything other than a paranoid Turkish military. [HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. [HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? Well, big mouth Ozal said military weapons are being provided to Azerbaijan from Turkey, yet Demirel and others say no. No wonder you are so confused! [HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons [HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan [HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons [HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? You are correct, all Turkish planes should be simply shot down! Nice, slow moving air transports! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 2157,3,"From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds) Subject: CGA card/monitor wanted Organization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated. Lines: 4 And again...... title says it all. WHY? Lee (lee@tosspot.sv.com) " 2158,5,"From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) Subject: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE) Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 55 Environment: mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX) OS : SunOS 4.1.3 X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22) Motif : 1.2.2 I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion to X server lost): 1. xinit -- Xsun 2. start mwm 3. start a client with a 100dpi/75dpi font. 4. move the window by dragging the title bar. The server dumps core due to SIGPIPE. One of the two messages is printed: ""Connection to X server lost"" or ""Connection broken (errno=32)"" (I believe the first is reported by a client and the second by the server itself). Next, I ran xdm in debug level = 5. After the same set of actions, xdm reports: select returns -1 Server for :0 terminated unexpectedly: status 2560 Note: * The problem doesn't occur with other window managers (twm or olwm). * I have not set LD_LIBRARY_PATH. * I am not running font server. * If I start the client with fixed width font, I do not see this problem. * My font path: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi (I did mkfontdir in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/PEX, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, and in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc). * This problem seems to occur only on IPX machines. I do not see this problem on IPC workstations. Questions: * What the hell is goin on ? :-) * What does ""status 2560"" mean (of the server). I'd greatly appreciate any hints as to the cause of the problem. --- S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech " 2159,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Emulator pods Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 23 A surplus-dealing buddy of mine came up with two emulator pods: HP64220C (for HP 64100 development station). 8086 target processor. DIP head. Does not include board that plugs into the 64100. Applied Microsystems 80C186/188 pod, LCC head. If you have an interest in either, let me know. They look to be in excellent condition. He doesn't know what to do with them, which may mean that they'll be cheap. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 2160,6,"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) Subject: Misc. Stuff for Sale Article-I.D.: penguin.1po5lqINN749 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: penguin.cis.ohio-state.edu Misc. Items for sale: Walkman: Aiwa Model HS-T30, 1 year old, mint condition, hardly used, autoreverse, 3 band Equalizer, Super Bass, Dolby Noise Reduction, AM FM tuner..........Paid $70.......Asking $40+shipping. Mount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony CD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a cassette adapter in SO SO condition. Paid $45...............Asking $30+shipping. AM FM: Factory Stereo from Toyota with AM FM radio, autoreverse cassette Cassette: deck, digital tuning, like new condition only in car 6 months, Car Stereo: Asking $60+shipping. Car Speakers: Sherwood 5 1/4"" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months, 5 1/4 inch: excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40+shipping. 4 inch: Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20+shipping. Nintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land, Gameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years + games: old all in working condition, Asking $70+shipping. Accessories: Whole Internet: The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol, book: guide to using the internet, where to fing information and resources. Paid $30..........Asking $20+shipping. MicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $ 60+shipping. Visual Basic: MicroSoft: For Windows, never used, came with my computer, Quick C: Sells new Student edition for $95............Asking $70+shipping. Please resond to fields@cis.ohio-state.edu Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields " 2161,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 153 In article <1993Apr20.143453.3127@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: >Instabul was called Konstantinoupolis from 320 AD until about the 1920s. >That's about 1600 years. There many people alive today who were born in >a city called Konstantinoupolis. I know it doesn't make sense, but since when is 'Napoleon' about sense, anyway? Further striking bigoted and racist attitude of certain Greeks still exists in our day. Most Greeks insist even today, that the 537 year-old capital of the Ottoman Empire should be called not by its rightful name of Istanbul, but by its half a millennium-old moniker 'Cons*(whatever).' Everyone knows that New York City was once called 'New Amsterdam' but Dutch people do not persist on calling it that today. The name of Stalingrad too is long gone, replaced by Volgagrad. China's Peking traded its name for Beiging long ago. Ciudad Trujillo of the Dominican Republic is now Santa Domingo. Zimbabve's old colonial capital Salisburry became Harrare. These changes have all been accepted officially by everyone in the world. But, Greeks are still determined on calling the Turkish Istanbul by the name of 'Cons*.' How can one explain this total intransigence? What makes Greeks so different from other mortals? 18-year-old questionable democracy? Why don't they seem to reconcile with the fact, for instance, that Istanbul changed hands 537 years ago in 1453 AD, and that this predates the discovery of the New World, by 39 years. The declaration of U.S. independence in 1776 will come 284 years later. Shouldn't then, half a millennium be considered enough time for 'Cons*' to be called a Turkish city? Where is the logic in the Greek reasoning, if there is any? How long can one sit on the laurels of an ancient civilization? Ancient Greece does not exist, any more than any other 16 civilizations that existed on the soil of Anatolia. These undereducated 'wieneramus' live with an illusion. It is the same mentality which allows them to rationalize that Cyprus is a Greek Island. No history book shows that it ever was. It belonged to the Ottoman Turks 'lock, stock and barrel' for a period of well over 300 years. In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, following bloody naval battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the island of Cyprus belonged, invariably, to several nations: The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, the Ottoman Turks, of course in that order, owned it as their territory. But, it has never been the possession of the government of Greece - not even for one day - in the history of the world. Moreover, Cyprus is located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only 40 miles from Turkiye's southern coastline. Saddam Hussein claims that Kuwait was once Iraqi territory and the Greek Cypriot government and the terrorist Greek governments think that Cyprus also was once part of the Greek hegemony. Those 'Arromdians' involved in this grandiose hallucination should wake up from their sweet daydreams and confront reality. Again, wishful thinking is unproductive, only facts count. As for Selanik, <> <> [47] Robert Mantran, 'La structure sociale de la communaute juive de Salonqiue a la fin du dix-neuvieme siecle', RH no.534 (1980), 391-92; Nehama VII, 762; Joseph Nehama (Salonica) to AIU (Paris) no.2868/2, 12 May 1903 (AIU Archives I-C-43); and no.2775, 10 January 1900 (AIU Archives I-C-41), describing daily battles between Jewish and Greek children in the streets of Salonica. Benghiat, Director of Ecole Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.7784, 1 December 1909 (AIU Archives I-C-48), describing Greek attacks on Jews, boycotts of Jewish shops and manufacturers, and Greek press campaigns leading to blood libel attacks. Cohen, Ecole Secondaire Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.7745/4, 4 December 1912 (AIU Archives I-C-49) describes a week of terror that followed the Greek army occupation of Salonica in 1912, with the soldiers pillaging the Jewish quarters and destroying Jewish synagogues, accompanied by what he described as an 'explosion of hatred' by local Greek population against local Jews and Muslims. Mizrahi, President of the AIU at Salonica, reported to the AIU (Paris), no.2704/3, 25 July 1913 (AIU Archives I-C-51) that 'It was not only the irregulars (Comitadjis) that massacred, pillaged and burned. The Army soldiers, the Chief of Police, and the high civil officials also took an active part in the horrors...', Moise Tovi (Salonica) to AIU (Paris) no.3027 (20 August 1913) (AIU Archives I-C-51) describes the Greek pillage of the Jewish quarter during the night of 18-19 August 1913. (AIU = Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris.) Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2162,13,"From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk In-Reply-To: rousseaua@immunex.com's message of 19 Apr 93 13:02:13 PST Nntp-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com Organization: American Cyanamid Company <1quq1m$e8j@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1993Apr19.130213.69@immunex.com> Lines: 8 Heat shock proteins are those whose expression is induced in response to elevated temperature. Some are also made when organisms are subjected to other stress conditions, e.g. high salt. They have no obvious connection to what happens when you burn proteins. -- Sanford Silverman >Opinions expressed here are my own< American Cyanamid sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com ""Yeast is Best"" " 2163,2,"From: nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel;;;;RC38) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks... Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu In article ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) writes: >nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes: >>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive.. >>Don't laugh ... I am serious... >>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of, >>please mail me ... > >>-- Nilay Patel >>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu >You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you >were looking for the old 8"" or the newer 5.25"". Well...I need the old 8"" disks ... You are right, disks is a better word, but they are so big and calling them disks is kind of funny ... but the appropriate word is disks ... -- Nilay Patel nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu " 2164,7,"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 19 CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: > Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR > 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service > [...] > 7. Car Salesmen/rec.auto readers turned into ""expert"" statistics critics > [...] > 5. Lucky owners of CR unreliable cars who say ""Mine never had a problem"" > 4. Those same owners joining the sceptics a few months later > 3. And later subscribing to CR and taking it soooo seriously > 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" And my number 1: 1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] [ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] " 2165,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Fractals? what good are they? Organization: Purdue University Lines: 17 In article <7208@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes: > They talked about another routine that could yield up to 150 to 1 > compress with no image loss that *I* could notice. The draw back is that it > takes a hell of a long time to compress something. I'll have to see if I can > find the book so that I can give more exact numbers. TTYL. That's a typical claim, though they say they've improved compression speed considerably. Did you find out anything else about the book? I'd be interested in looking at it if you could give me any pointers. Reportedly, early fractal compression times of 24-100 hours used that marvelous piece of hardware called ""grad students"" to do the work. Supposedly it's been automated since about 1988, but I'm still waiting to be impressed. Allen B (Sign me ""Cynical"") " 2166,9,"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr5.165122.19860@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Theodorus RedSox Fannus] Fischer) writes: > >Sorry, this doesn't fly. The good players have *always* been ready >for the majors early. How many HOFers were *not* contributing major >leaguers by the time they were 22? That brings up an interesting point. Anyone else catch ESPN's piece about prospects and the relationship between age, career length, MVPs and Hall of Fame members? It was part of their preseason special. Basically, they looked at players that had amassed 1000 plate appearances (or ABs) by the time they were 24, and noticed some interesting things. For starters, they found out such players comprised the majority of MVPs in the history of the game. They also found out such players represented the majority of the players in the hall of fame. The kicker, though, was that they actually did some number-crunching and found that such players' careers lasted much longer than the careers of players not in that group. They also found that these players produced at both a greater level of performance and produced over twice the raw totals (HRs, etc) of the other players. The first group outhit the second something like .282 to .260 in raw BA, and blew away the second group in such categories as HRs, 2Bs, RBIs, etc. It was the most impressive thing I've seen on ESPN in recent memory. I guess Ray Knight makes his rebuttal tonight. -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence " 2167,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Spagthorpe Viking Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 103 DS>From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) DS>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: DS>>Riding up the hill leading to my DS>>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to DS>>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to DS>>the Spagthorpe Viking). DS> I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking. Was DS>that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front DS>fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers? No. Not at all. The Viking was a trick little unit made way back when (forties? fifties?) when Spag was trying to make a go of it in racing. The first iteration (the Springer) was a boxer twin, very similar to Max Friz's famous design, but with an overhead ""point cam"" (see below for more on the valvetrain). The problem was that the thing had no ground clearance whatsoever. The solution was to curve the cylinder bores, so that the ground clearance was substantially increased: ==@== <-Springer motor (front) Viking motor (front) -> \=@=/ This is roughly the idea, except that the bores were gradually curved around a radius, as the pistons were loath to make a sharp-angled turn in the middle of their stroke. The engine also had curved connecting rods to accomodate the stroke. The engine stuck out so far because of its revolutionary (and still unique) overhead cam system. Through the use of clever valve timing and and extrordinarily trick valve linkage, only a single cam lobe was required to drive both overhead valves. Just as revolutionary was the hydraulic valve actuation, which used a pressurized stream of oil to power the ""waterwheel"" which kept the lobe spinning over. One side effect that required some rather brutal engineering fixes was that until the engine's oil pressure came up to normal, the engine's valve timing would be more or less random, resulting in some impressive start-up valve damage. The solution was a little hand crank that pressurized the cases before you started the beast, remarkably similar to the system used in new Porsches to pressurize the oil system before the car is started (the cage, however, uses an electric oil pump. Wimps). Despite this fix, the engine had a nasty propensity for explosively firing its valves into the pistons when a cylinder would temporarily lose a bit of oil pressure in a corner. The solution was to run even higher oil pressures and change the gaskets and seals regularly. This was feasible because it was a racing engine. With just a single overhead lobe, and no pushrod/shaft/chain towers because of the hydraulic system, the head of the engine came to an almost perfect point: /\ /()\ <-lobe / XX \ <-complex linkage (not shown due to valvestems -> / \ / \ complexity) | | | | | |===| | =0= <---piston | Note that the tip was not truly vertical (it was at about a 70 degree angle to the ground, and this drawing doesn't show the curvature because there was none in the head itself. The bore curve would start about where the cylinder bore disappears in this diagram The effect of the pointy heads on top of a pair of gently (pundits of the day even said sensuously) curved cylinders was much like a pair of finned Viking horns poking out from beneath the gas tank. Thus, the name. The Vik was a moderately successful racer, lightning fast when it worked, but plagued by problems relating to its revolutionary technology. Eventually, it was dumped when Spag finally realized that racing was not where the Spagthorpe name would be made. The machines were raced for another year or two by privateers, and their fate (approximately six Vikings were made, plus one or possibly two Springers. Confusing the issue is one old Spag staffer who swears up and down that this machine was tooled for production, and that as many as twenty or thirty machines may have come off the line. However, no modern record of a production Viking has survived, and most motorcycle historians discount this story. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * If you aren't sliding, you aren't riding. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 2168,1,"From: fineman@stein2.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes) Subject: Anyone know use ""rayshade"" out there? Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Keywords: rayshade, uw. I'm using ""rayshade"" on the u.w. computers here, and i'd like input from other users, and perhaps swap some ideas. I could post uuencoded .gifs here, or .ray code, if anyone's interested. I'm having trouble coming up with colors that are metallic (i.e. brass, steel) from the RGB values. If you're on the u.w. machines, check out ""~fineman/rle.files/*.rle"" on stein.u.washington.edu for some of what i've got. dan " 2169,10,"From: sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS Nntp-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca Lines: 11 Yeah, the news is true...the Leafs lost to the Wings 6-3. Wish I could say I'd seen the whole game but my husband wanted to watch ""Young Guns II"" on another channel. Sometime between the first time I tuned in and d saw the Leafs tie and the next time I tuned in and heard the score was 5-1, something happened. Please no woofing from Red Wings fans. They're my third favourite team, and if they make it past the Leafs I'll wish them luck. As for Potvin...well, it WAS his fist playoff game. Susan Carroll-Clark Who likes ANYONE Doug Gilmour plays for " 2170,14,"Subject: Diffs to sci.space/sci.astro Frequently Asked Questions From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:50:16 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 294 Archive-name: space/diff DIFFS SINCE LAST FAQ POSTING (IN POSTING ORDER) (These are hand-edited context diffs; do not attempt to use them to patch old copies of the FAQ). =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.intro *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06400 Thu Apr 1 14:47:22 1993 --- FAQ.intro Thu Apr 1 14:46:55 1993 *************** *** 101,107 **** NASA Langley (Technical Reports) NASA Spacelink National Space Science Data Center - Space And Planetary Image Facility Space Telescope Science Institute Electronic Info. Service Starcat Astronomical Databases --- 101,106 ---- *************** *** 130,135 **** --- 129,135 ---- LLNL ""great exploration"" Lunar Prospector Lunar science and activities + Orbiting Earth satellite histories Spacecraft models Rocket propulsion Spacecraft design =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.net *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06405 Thu Apr 1 14:47:24 1993 --- FAQ.net Thu Apr 1 14:46:57 1993 *************** *** 58,63 **** --- 58,67 ---- elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join. + GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning + System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to + gps-request@esseye.si.com to join. + Space-investors is a list for information relevant to investing in space-related companies. Email Vincent Cate (vac@cs.cmu.edu) to join. *************** *** 223,227 **** --- 227,241 ---- 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact NASA personnel. + Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None + have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers + detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA + Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write + + NASA + Inspector General + P.O. Box 23089 + L'enfant Plaza Station + Washington DC 20024 NEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.data *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06410 Thu Apr 1 14:47:26 1993 --- FAQ.data Thu Apr 1 14:46:54 1993 *************** *** 216,237 **** Telephone: (301) 286-6695 Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov - - - SPACE AND PLANETARY IMAGE FACILITY - - Available 24 hours a day via anonymous FTP from pioneer.unm.edu. Has - approximately 150 CD-ROM's full of imagery, raw, and tabular data. To - start, get the file: - - pioneer.unm.edu:pub/info/beginner-info - - This will hopefully give you all of the information you need to get data - from their machine. beginner-info has been translated to other - languages, you should look inside pub/info for the particular language - that meets your needs. - - Contact help@pioneer.unm.edu. SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE --- 216,221 ---- =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.math *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06415 Thu Apr 1 14:47:28 1993 --- FAQ.math Thu Apr 1 14:46:56 1993 *************** *** 60,65 **** --- 60,71 ---- Gives series to compute positions accurate to 1 arc minute for a period + or - 300 years from now. Pluto is included but stated to have an accuracy of only about 15 arc minutes. + + _Multiyear Interactive Computer Almanac_ (MICA), produced by the US + Naval Observatory. Valid for years 1990-1999. $55 ($80 outside US). + Available for IBM (order #PB93-500163HDV) or Macintosh (order + #PB93-500155HDV). From the NTIS sales desk, (703)-487-4650. I believe + this is intended to replace the USNO's Interactive Computer Ephemeris. _Interactive Computer Ephemeris_ (from the US Naval Observatory) distributed on IBM-PC floppy disks, $35 (Willmann-Bell). Covers dates =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.references *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06420 Thu Apr 1 14:47:30 1993 --- FAQ.references Thu Apr 1 14:46:59 1993 *************** *** 93,100 **** US Naval Observatory 202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem) 202-653-1507 General - 202-653-1545 Nautical Almanac Office (info on the Interactive - Computer Ephemeris) Willmann-Bell P.O. Box 35025 --- 93,98 ---- *************** *** 138,151 **** SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to ! orbit vehicle is uncertain at present; for considerably more detail on ! the SSRT program, get the document ! ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/DeltaClipper ! by anonymous FTP or through the email server. HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON Official names are decided by committees of the International --- 136,151 ---- SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to ! orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present. ! An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by ! anonymous FTP or email server in the directory ! bongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub/delta-clipper + Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive. + HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON Official names are decided by committees of the International *************** *** 223,228 **** --- 223,236 ---- University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions, including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by various Orbiters. + + + ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES + + A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is + available by anonymous FTP in: + + ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/Satellites SPACECRAFT MODELS =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.addresses *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06435 Thu Apr 1 14:47:34 1993 --- FAQ.addresses Thu Apr 1 14:46:51 1993 *************** *** 75,80 **** --- 75,85 ---- the latter, an SF 171 is useless. Employees are Caltech employees, contractors, and for the most part have similar responsibilities. They offer an alternative to funding after other NASA Centers. + + A fact sheet and description of JPL is available by anonymous + FTP in + + ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/JPLDescription NASA Johnson Manned Space Center (JSC) Houston, TX 77058 =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.new_probes *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06450 Thu Apr 1 14:47:38 1993 --- FAQ.new_probes Thu Apr 1 14:46:58 1993 *************** *** 8,13 **** --- 8,19 ---- team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits. + ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into + Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20 + Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas + scintillation proportional counters. + + CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini *************** *** 98,115 **** MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire ! surface at high resolution. Currently (11/92) in mapping cycle 4, ! collecting a global gravity map. MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. ! Launched 9/24/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (3/93) in transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for one martian year (687 days). ! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched in ! August 1992 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global observations of the sea level for several years, substantially increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also --- 104,121 ---- MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire ! surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity ! map. MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. ! Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for one martian year (687 days). ! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched ! 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global observations of the sea level for several years, substantially increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.astronaut *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06465 Thu Apr 1 14:47:43 1993 --- FAQ.astronaut Thu Apr 1 14:46:52 1993 *************** *** 162,174 **** specific standards: Distant visual acuity: ! 20/100 or better uncorrected, correctable to 20/20, each eye. Blood pressure: 140/90 measured in sitting position. ! 3. Height between 60 and 76 inches. Pilot Astronaut Candidate: --- 162,174 ---- specific standards: Distant visual acuity: ! 20/150 or better uncorrected, correctable to 20/20, each eye. Blood pressure: 140/90 measured in sitting position. ! 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches. Pilot Astronaut Candidate: " 2171,13,"From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: Fungus ""epidemic"" in CA? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 26 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <19435@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >>In article steward@cup.portal.com (John Joseph Deltuvia) writes: >> >>>There was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort >>>of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat >>>widespread in California. Anybody hear anything about this one? >> > >The only fungus I know of from California is Coccidiomycosis. I >hadn't heard that it attacked bone. It attacks lung and if you >are especially unlucky, the central nervous system. Nothing new >about it. It's been around for years. THey call it ""valley >fever"", since it is found in the inland valleys, not on the coast. There is a mini-epidemic of Coccidiodes that is occurring in, I believe, the Owen's Valley/ Bishop area east of the Sierras. I don't believe there has been any great insight into the increased incidence in that area. There is a low-level of endemic infection in that region. Many people with evidence of past exposure to the organism did not have serious disease. Brian > " 2172,14,"From: n4hy@harder.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) Subject: Re: NAVSTAR positions Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: harder.ccr-p.ida.org In-reply-to: Thomas.Enblom@eos.ericsson.se's message of 19 Apr 93 06:34:55 GMT You have missed something. There is a big difference between being in the SAME PLANE and in exactly the same state (positions and velocities equal). IN addition to this, there has always been redundancies proposed. Bob -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert W. McGwier | n4hy@ccr-p.ida.org Center for Communications Research | Interests: amateur radio, astronomy,golf Princeton, N.J. 08520 | Asst Scoutmaster Troop 5700, Hightstown " 2173,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article cal2d@csissun11.ee.Virginia.EDU (Craig Allen Lorie) writes: >According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite >the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the >Penguins. This is because the Islanders have won the season series against >the Devils. I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include: > >1. season series >2. goals against >3. goals for > >in this order (correct me if I'm wrong). Anyone have anything to add? I think that they go to divisional records before goals, but I could be wrong, too. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 2174,15,"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 38 In article 29279@athos.rutgers.edu, atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the >newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. >Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy... >1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. >2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death > is unfair. > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. This is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is indeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor unfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made mostly of carbon and water is ""fair"". However, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about the fire and brimstone place of endless suffering, which necessarily includes eternal existance (life, I dunno, but some sort of continuation); not at all the same thing. Granted, you clearly feel that hell=death, but this is not a univeral sentiment as near as I can tell. If *your* idea of God ""condemns"" heathens to ordinary death, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the gods that hide from humans and torture the unbelievers eternally for not guessing right. [deletia- Hell, and Literalness.] --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. " 2175,7,"From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: kevinh@nath Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Hasler AG Lines: 20 In article , wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes: |> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote: |> |> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to |> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, |> : and take the truck. |> : |> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! |> |> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida |> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers |> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this. Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US) destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world countries - but not the US! kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch " 2176,2,"From: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw (""By SWH ) Subject: How Redirect PRINT MANAGER To FILE? Organization: National Chiao Tung University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 Hello, Who can tell me Where can I find the PD or ShareWare Which can CAPTURE windows 3.1's output of printer mananger? I want to capture the output of HP Laser Jet III. Though the PostScript can setup to print to file,but HP can't. I try DOS's redirect program,but they can't work in Windows 3.1 Thankx for any help.... -- Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw English Name: Erik Wang Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang National Chiao-Tung University,Taiwan,R.O.C. " 2177,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Clipper -- some new thoughts Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 55 I'd *desparately* prefer it if we didn't rehash the same arguments that went on ad infinitum last time. That's especially true for sci.crypt. For that matter, I've created alt.privacy.clipper, since the traffic is appearing in *many* different groups right now. I'm going to focus here on some technical aspects of the plan, hence my followup to sci.crypt. Frankly, if you're not an absolutist, your feelings may turn on some of these issues. For example -- with an 80-bit key, simply splitting it into two 40-bit pieces is much less acceptable than other schemes, because it means that if just one repository is, shall we say, overly pliable, a would-be eavesdropper would need to recover just 40 more bits of key. I need not point out in this newsgroup that that's pretty easy to do by exhaustive search. A slightly more complex scheme -- XOR-ing the key with a random number, and then with its complement -- would produce two 80-bit subkeys, neither of which is useful alone. That variant is much more resistant to attack. Clearly, one can get even more sophisticated, to protect the subkeys even more. Other thoughts... Some people have noted the size and complexity of the databases necessary. But the id strings the phones emit could be their back door key, double-encrypted with the escrow repositories' public keys. For that matter, they could do that only with session keys, and have no back door at all. In that case, the FBI would have to bring every intercept to the repositories to be decrypted. This would answer many of the objections along the lines of ``how do you make sure they stop''. We can even combine that with a variant of the digital telephony back door -- have the switch do the tap, but with a digitally-signed record of the time, phone number, etc, of the call. That provides proof to the escrow agents that the tap was done in compliance with the terms of the warrant. I can suggest other variations, too. Suppose each Clipper chip had 100 public key pairs. Each would be used ~10 times, after which you'd need more keying material. (Not a bad idea in any event.) This could be used to enforce time limits, or rather, usage limits, on each warrant; the keys the repository agents would deliver wouldn't last for very long. I suspect that the cryptographic algorithm itself is secure. Apart from the obvious -- why push a weak algorithm when you've already got the back door? -- I think that the government is still genuinely concerned about foreign espionage, especially aimed at commercial targets. This scheme lets the spooks have their cake and eat it, too. (I've heard rumors, over the years, that some factions within NSA were unhappy with DES because it was too good. Not that they couldn't crack it, but it was much too expensive to do so as easily as they'd want.) They're keeping the details secret so that others don't build their own implementations without the back door. The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad. " 2178,10,"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Ron Francis Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 10 Not to mention, Mr. Francis is an incredibly nice person. Over Christmas break, a friend of mine had a little Xmas gathering. The two of us drove to Ron's house. While I stayed in the car out of shyness, my friend went to the door and rang the bell. Ron answered and my friend introduced himself. He then proceeded to invite Francis to the party. Ron declined because he ""had to watch his daughter."" He then reached out and shook my friend's hand! I know this isn't r.s.b., but I don't think Barry Bonds would be this polite in this situation. George " 2179,16,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com >>The two situations are hardly analogous, unless you wish to make the >>>dubious claim that the US legal system would provide equivalent treatment >>>to BD children that the Romans did for those of conquered rebels. >Actually, all the analogy calls for the the Branch Davidian _feeling_ >their treatment would be along these lines. After a military >assualt (instead of a peacefull effort to serve a warrant) and >weeks os siege, such a feeling might not be completely irrational. Actually, if I were one of the survivors and wanted to institute a civil rights violation lawsuit against the Treasury Dept., I would claim that the BATF/FBI itself was to blame for any mass hysteria/insanity... without due process, the siegers shone lights, laser beams, multi-colored spotlights, all the while playing loudly amplified music consisting of everything from Tibetan Chant to Heavy Metal, and coupled with the fear, the poor nutrition, the rampant paranoia, I'd say it was very likely those poor nuts were made even nuttier. After all, isn't sleep deprivation, sensory overload, etc., part of the ""new age"" method of torture? " 2180,5,"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Subject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (1 of 2) Expires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Distribution: world Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 864 Keywords: ioccc We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of groups. Sorry for the cross posting. Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines (See the diff marks at the right hand edge). The rules and guidelines for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry about these changes. chongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com Larry Bassel lab@sun.com =-= #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (shar 3.32) # made 04/05/1993 23:00 UTC by chongo@toad.com # Source directory /tmp # # existing files WILL be overwritten # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 8971 -r--r--r-- rules # 25592 -r--r--r-- guidelines # 34482 -r--r--r-- mkentry.c # 6418 -r--r--r-- obfuscate.info # # ============= rules ============== echo ""x - extracting rules (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > rules && X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Rules X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure. X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: his emotions obfuscated his X judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. X obfuscatory adj. X X XGOALS OF THE CONTEST: X X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) X X XNOTE: Changes from the 1993 draft are noted by change bars. ---> | X X XRULES: X X To help us with the volume of entries, we ask that you follow these rules: X X 1) Your entry must be a complete program. X X 2) Your entry must be <= 3217 bytes in length. The number of characters X excluding whitespace (tab, space, newline), and excluding any ; { or } X followed by either whitespace or end of file, must be <= 1536. X X 3) Your entry must be submitted in the following format: X X---entry--- Xrule: 1993 Xfix: y or n (n => this is a new entry, y => this replaces an older entry) Xtitle: title of entry (see comments below) Xentry: Entry number from 0 to 7 inclusive (your 1st entry should by 0) Xdate: Date/time of submission in UTC (see comments below) Xhost: Machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested X Use tab indented lines if needed X---remark--- X Place remarks about this entry in this section. It would be helpful if X you were to indent your remarks with 4 spaces, though it is not a X requirement. Also, if possible, try to avoid going beyond the 79th X column. Blank lines are permitted. X---author--- Xname: your name Xorg: School/Company/Organization Xaddr: postal address X use tab indented lines to continue X don't forget to include the country Xemail: Email address from a well known site or registered domain. X If you give several forms, list them on separate tab indented lines. Xanon: y or n (y => remain anonymous, n => ok to publish this info) X---info--- XIf your program needs an info file, place a uuencoded copy of it in Xthis section. In the case of multiple info files, use multiple info Xsections. If your entry does not need a info file, skip this section. X---build--- XPlace a uuencoded copy of the command(s) used to compile/build your program Xin this section. It must uudecode into a file named 'build'. The resulting Xfile must be 255 bytes or less. X---program--- XPlace a uuencoded copy of your program in this section. It must uudecode Xinto a file named is 'prog.c'. The resulting file must follow rule #2. X---end--- X X Regarding the above format: X X * The title must match the expression: [a-zA-Z0-9_=][a-zA-Z0-9_=+-]* X and must be 1 to 12 characters in length. X X It is suggested, but not required, that the title should X incorporate your username; in the case of multiple authors, X consider using parts of the usernames of the authors. X X * The date in the ---entry--- section should be given with respect X to UTC. The format of the date should be as returned by asctime() X using the C locale. (see guidelines for more info) X X * You may correct/revise a previously submitted entry by sending X it to the contest email address. Be sure to set 'fix' in the X ---entry--- section to 'n'. The corrected entry must use the same X title and entry number as submittion that is being corrected. Be X sure that you note the resubmittion in the ---remark--- as well. X X * With the exception of the header, all text outside of the above X format may be ignored by the judges. If you need tell the judges X something, put it in the ---remark--- section, or send a separate X Email message to the judges. X X * Information from the ---author--- section will be published unless X 'y' was given to the respective author's 'anon' line. X X * To credit multiple authors, include an ---author--- section for X each author. Each should start with ---author--- line, and X should be found between the ---entry--- and ---build--- sections. X X * The entry's remarks should include: X - what this program does X - how to run the program (sample args or input) X - special compile or execution instructions, if any X - special filename requirements (see rule 4 and 5) X - information about any ---data--- files X - why you think the program is obfuscated X - note if this entry is a re-submission of a previous entry. X - any other remarks (humorous or otherwise) X X * Do not rot13 your entry's remarks. You may suggest that certain X portions of your remarks be rot13ed if your entry wins an award. X X * Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. They X should not be required to exist. X X If your entry does not need an info file, skip the ---info--- X section. If your entry needs multiple info files, use multiple X ---info--- sections, one per info file. You should describe X each info file in the ---remark--- section. X X 4) If your entry is selected as a winner, it will be modified as follows: X X 'build' is incorporated into a makefile, and 'build' is removed X 'prog.c' is renamed to your entry's title, followed by an optional X digit, followed by '.c' X your entry is compiled into a file with the name of your entry's X title, possibly followed by a digit X X If your entry requires that a build file exist, state so in your X entry's remark section. The makefile will be arranged to execute a X build shell script containing the 'build' information. The name of X this build shell script will be your entry's title, possibly followed X by a digit, followed by '.sh'. X X If needed, your entry's remarks should indicate how your entry must X be changed in order to deal with the new filenames. X X 5) The build file, the source and the resulting executable should be X treated as read-only files. If your entry needs to modify these files, X it should make and modify a copy of the appropriate file. If this X occurs, state so in your entry's remarks. X X 6) Entries that cannot be compiled by an ANSI C compiler will be rejected. X Use of common C (K&R + extensions) is permitted, as long as it does not X cause compile errors for ANSI C compilers. X X 7) The program must be of original work. All programs must be in the X public domain. All copyrighted programs will be rejected. X X 8) Entries must be received prior to 07-May-93 0:00 UTC. (UTC is X essentially equivalent to Greenwich Mean Time) Email your entries to: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate X obfuscate@toad.com X X We request that your message use the subject 'ioccc entry'. X X If possible, we request that you hold off on Emailing your entries X until 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. Early entries will be accepted, however. X We will attempt to email a confirmation to the the first author for X all entries received after 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. X X 9) Each person may submit up to 8 entries per contest year. Each entry X must be sent in a separate Email letter. X X 10) Entries requiring human interaction to be built are not allowed. X Compiling an entry produce a file (or files) which may be executed. X X 11) Programs that require special privileges (setuid, setgid, super-user, X special owner or group) are not allowed. X X XFOR MORE INFORMATION: X X The Judging will be done by Landon Noll and Larry Bassel. Please send X questions or comments about the contest, to: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for | X judges@toad.com submitting entries) | X X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address | X above and use the subject 'send rules'. | X X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: | X X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) | X user: anonymous X pass: yourname@yourhost X dir: ~/pub/ioccc | X X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email | X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', | X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. | X X Xchongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com | XLarry Bassel lab@sun.com | SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 rules || echo ""restore of rules failed"" set `wc -c rules`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""8971""; then echo original size 8971, current size $Wc_c fi # ============= guidelines ============== echo ""x - extracting guidelines (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > guidelines && X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Guidelines, Hints and Comments X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X XABOUT THIS FILE: X X This file is intended to help people who wish to submit entries to X the International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC for short). X X This is not the IOCCC rules, though it does contain comments about X them. The guidelines should be viewed as hints and suggestions. X Entries that violate the guidelines but remain within the rules are X allowed. Even so, you are safer if you remain within the guidelines. X X You should read the current IOCCC rules, prior to submitting entries. X The rules are typically sent out with these guidelines. X X Changes from the 1993 draft are noted by change bars. ---> | X X XWHAT IS NEW IN 1993: X X The entry format is better (for us anyway). The program mkentry.c X has been updated. See ENTRY FORMAT. X X We will reject entries that cannot be compiled using an ANSI C X compiler. Certain old Obfuscation hacks that cause ANSI C compilers X fits are no longer permitted. Some of the new issues deal with X non-integral array types, variable number of arguments, C preprocessor X directives and the exit() function. See OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES. X X XHINTS AND SUGGESTIONS: X X You are encouraged to examine the winners of previous contests. See X FOR MORE INFORMATION for details on how to get previous winners. X X Keep in mind that rules change from year to year, so some winning entries X may not be valid entries this year. What was unique and novel one year X might be 'old' the next year. X X An entry is usually examined in a number of ways. We typically apply X a number of tests to an entry: X X * look at the original source X * convert ANSI tri-graphs to ASCII X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#include' lines X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#define' and '#include' lines X * run it through a C beautifier X * examine the algorithm X * lint it X * compile it X * execute it X X You should consider how your entry looks in each of the above tests. X You should ask yourself if your entry remains obscure after it has been X 'cleaned up' by the C pre-processor and a C beautifier. X X Your entry need not do well under all, or in most tests. In certain X cases, a test is not important. Entries that compete for the X 'strangest/most creative source layout' need not do as well as X others in terms of their algorithm. On the other hand, given X two such entries, we are more inclined to pick the entry that X does something interesting when you run it. X X We try to avoid limiting creativity in our rules. As such, we leave X the contest open for creative rule interpretation. As in real life X programming, interpreting a requirements document or a customer request X is important. For this reason, we often award 'worst abuse of the X rules' to an entry that illustrates this point in an ironic way. X X If you do plan to abuse the rules, we suggest that you let us know X in the remarks section. Please note that an invitation to abuse X is not an invitation to break. We are strict when it comes to the X 3217 byte size limit. Also, abusing the entry format tends to X annoy more than amuse. X X We do realize that there are holes in the rules, and invite entries X to attempt to exploit them. We will award 'worst abuse of the rules' X and then plug the hole next year. Even so, we will attempt to use X the smallest plug needed, if not smaller. :-) X X Check out your program and be sure that it works. We sometimes make X the effort to debug an entry that has a slight problem, particularly X in or near the final round. On the other hand, we have seen some X of the best entries fall down because they didn't work. X X We tend to look down on a prime number printer, that claims that X 16 is a prime number. If you do have a bug, you are better off X documenting it. Noting ""this entry sometimes prints the 4th power X of a prime by mistake"" would save the above entry. And sometimes, X a strange bug/feature can even help the entry! Of course, a correctly X working entry is best. X X XOUR LIKES AND DISLIKES: X X Doing masses of #defines to obscure the source has become 'old'. We X tend to 'see thru' masses of #defines due to our pre-processor tests X that we apply. Simply abusing #defines or -Dfoo=bar won't go as far X as a program that is more well rounded in confusion. X X Many ANSI C compilers dislike the following code, and so do we: X X #define d define X #d foo <-- don't expect this to turn into #define foo X X int i; X j; <-- don't use such implicit type declaration X int k; X X We suggest that you compile your entry with an ANSI C compiler. If you X must use non-ANSI C, such as K&R C, you must avoid areas that result in X compile/link errors for ANSI C compilers. X X Unfortunately, some ANSI C compilers require array indexes to be of | X integral type. Thus, the following classical obfuscation hacks should | X not be used in 1993. This rule may be relaxed in future contests. | X X int i; X char *c; X i[c]; <--- use c[i] instead X (i+3)[""string""]; <--- use ""string""[i+3] instead X X If your entry uses functions that have a variable number of X arguments, be careful. Systems implement va_list as a wide variety X of ways. Because of this, a number of operations using va_list are X not portable and must not be used: X X * assigning a non-va_list variable to/from a va_list variable X * casting a non-va_list variable into/from a va_list variable X * passing a va_list variable to a function expecting a non-va_list arg X * passing a non-va_list variable to a function expecting a va_list arg X * performing arithmetic on va_list variables X * using va_list as a structure or union X X In particular, do not treat va_list variables as if they were a char **'s. X X Avoid using , use instead. X X If you use C preprocessor directives (#define, #if, #ifdef, ...), X the leading '#' must be the first character on a line. While some X C preprocessors allow whitespace the leading '#', many do not. X X Because the exit() function returns void on some systems, entries X must not assume that it returns an int. X X Small programs are best when they are short, obscure and concise. X While such programs are not as complex as other winners, they do X serve a useful purpose. They are often the only program that people X attempt to completely understand. For this reason, we look for X programs that are compact, and are instructional. X X One line programs should be short one line programs, say around 80 X bytes long. Getting close to 160 bytes is a bit too long in our opinion. X X We tend to dislike programs that: X X * are very hardware specific X * are very OS or Un*x version specific X (index/strchr differences are ok, but socket/streams specific X code is likely not to be) X * dump core or have compiler warnings X (it is ok only if you warn us in the 'remark' header item) X * won't compile under both BSD or SYS V Un*x X * abusing the build file to get around the size limit X * obfuscate by excessive use of ANSI tri-graphs X * are longer than they need to be X * are similar to previous winners X * are identical to previous losers :-) X X Unless you are cramped for space, or unless you are entering the X 'best one liner' category, we suggest that you format your program X in a more creative way than simply forming excessively long lines. X X The build file should not be used to try and get around the size X limit. It is one thing to make use of a several -D's to help out, X but it is quite another to use 200+ bytes of -D's in order to X try and squeeze the source under the size limit. You should feel X free to make use of the build file space, but you are better off X if you show some amount of restraint. X X We allowed whitespace, and in certain cases ; { or } do not impact X your program size (up to a certain point), because we want to get X away from source that is simply a compact blob of characters. X X Given two versions of the same program, one that is a compact blob X of code, and the other that is formatted more like a typical C X program, we tend to favor the second version. Of course, a third X version of the same program that is formatted in an interesting X and/or obfuscated way, would definitely win over the first two! X X We suggest that you avoid trying for the 'smallest self-replicating' X program. We are amazed at the many different sizes that claim X to be the smallest. There is nothing wrong with self-replicating X programs. In fact, a number of winners have been self-replicating. X You might want to avoid the claim of 'smallest', lest we (or others) X know of a smaller one! X X X client entries should be as portable as possible. Entries that X adapt to a wide collection of environments will be favored. Don't X depend on a particular type of display. For example, don't depend X on color or a given size. Don't require backing store. X X X client entries should avoid using X related libraries and X software that is not in wide spread use. We ask that such X client X entries restrict themselves to only the low level Xlib and the X Athena widget set (libX11.a, libXaw.a, libXmu.a and libXt.a). X Don't use M*tif, Xv*ew, or OpenL*ok toolkits, since not everyone X has them. Avoid depending on a particular window manager. Not X everyone has X11r5, and some people are stuck back in X11r4 (or X earlier), so try to target X11r5 without requiring X11r5. Better X yet, try to make your entry run on all version 11 X Window Systems. X X X client entries should not to depend on particular items on X .Xdefaults. If you must do so, be sure to note the required lines X in the ---remark--- section. X X We like programs that: X X * are as concise and small as they need to be X * do something at least quasi-interesting X * pass lint without complaint (not a requirement, but it is nice) X * are portable X * are unique or novel in their obfuscation style X * MAKE USE OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF OBFUSCATION X * make us laugh and/or throw up :-) X X Some types of programs can't excel in some areas. Of course, your X program doesn't have to excel in all areas, but doing well in several X areas really does help. X X We freely admit that interesting, creative or humorous comments in X the ---remark--- section helps your chance of winning. If you had to X read of many twisted entries, you too would enjoy a good laugh or two. X We think the readers of the contest winners do as well. X X Be creative! X X XENTRY FORMAT: X X In order to help us process the many entries, we must request your X assistance by formatting your entries in a certain way. This format, X in addition, allows us to quickly separate information about the X author from the program itself. (see JUDGING PROCESS) X X We have provided the program, mkentry, as an example of how to X format entries. You should be aware of the following warning that X is found in mkentry.c: X X This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every X attempt has been made to make sure that this program produces X an entry that conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, X where this program differs from the contest rules, the X contest rules will be used. Be sure to check with the X contest rules before submitting an entry. X X You are not required to use mkentry. It is convenient, however, X as it attempts to uuencode the needed files, and attempt to check X the entry against the size rules. X X If you have any suggestions, comments, fixes or complaints about X the mkentry.c program, please send Email to the judges. (see below) X X The following is a sample entry: X X---entry--- Xrule: 1993 Xfix: n Xtitle: chonglab Xentry: 0 Xdate: Mon Mar 1 08:45:20 1993 Xhost: Un*x v6, pdp11/45 X 2.9BSD, pdp11/70 X---remark--- X This is a non-obfuscated obfuscated C program. X X It is likely not to win a prize. But what do you expect from X a short example! X---author--- Xname: Landon Curt Noll Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group Xaddr: Toad Hall X PO Box 170608 X San Francisco, California X 94117-0608 X USA Xemail: chongo@toad.com Xanon: n X---author--- Xname: Larry Bassel Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group Xaddr: Toad Hall X PO Box 170608 X San Francisco, California X 94117-0608 X USA Xemail: hoptoad!sun!lab X lab@sun.com Xanon: n X---info--- Xbegin 444 info.file XM0V]P>7)I9VAT(""AC*2!,86YD;VX@0W5R=""!.;VQL+""`Q.3DS+@I!;&P@4FEG XM:'1S(%)E65A2!A8W1U86QL>2!D96-O9&5D('1H:7,@9FEL92X*22!W;VYD97(@:&]W(&UA X9;GD@=VEL;""!D;R!I=""!T:&ES('EE87(_""@`` X` Xend X---build--- Xbegin 444 build X28V,@<')O9RYC(""UO('!R;V<* X` Xend X---program--- Xbegin 444 prog.c XM;6%I;B@I""GL*(VEF(&1E9FEN960H05]214=)4U1%4D5$7U9/5$527TE.7U-5 XM3DY95D%,15]#04Q)1D]23DE!7U5302D*(""`@('!R:6YT9B@B5F]T92!,86YD XM;VX@3F]L;""!F;W(@4W5N;GEV86QE($-I='D@0V]U;F-I;""!S96%T("",Q+EQN X:(BD[""B-E;F1I9@H@(""`@97AI=""@P*3L*?0H` X` Xend X---end--- X X Typically the build file should assume that the source is prog.c X and will compile into prog. If an entry wins, we will rename X its source and binary to avoid filename collision. By tradition, X we use the name of the entry's title, followed by an optional X digit in case of name conflicts. X X If the above entry somehow won the 'least likely to win' award, X we would use chonglab.c and chonglab. X X If your entry depends on, or requires that your build, source X and/or binary files be a particular name, please say so in the X ---remark--- section. If this case applies, it would be be helpful X if you did one of the following: X X * Tell us how to change the filename(s) in your entry. X X * Have the build file make copies of the files. For example: X X cc prog.c -o special_name need special binary X X or rm -f special_src.c need special source X cp prog.c special_src.c X cc special_src.c -o special_name X X or rm -f special_build need special build X tail +4 build > special_build X sh < special_build X X * Assume that we will use the entry title. Send us a version of X your build/program files that uses the name convention. You X should uuencode these files in ---data--- sections. X X If your entry needs to modify its source, info or binary files, X please say so in the ---remark--- section. You should try to avoid X touching your original build, source and binary files. You should X arrange to make copies of the files you intend to modify. This X will allow people to re-generate your entry from scratch. X X Remember that your entry may be built without a build file. We X typically incorporate the build lines into a Makefile. If the X build file must exist, say so in the ---remark--- section. X X If your entry needs special info files, you should uuencode them X into ---info--- sections. In the case of multiple info files, X use multiple ---info--- sections. If no info files are needed, X then skip the ---info--- section. X X Info files are intended to be input, or detailed information that X does not fit well into the ---remark--- section. For example, an X entry that implements a compiler might want to provide some sample X programs for the user to compile. An entry might want to include a X lengthy design document, that might not be appropriate for a X 'hints' file. X X Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. For X example, info files may provide sample input or detailed X information about your entry. Because they are supplemental, X the entry should not require them exist. X X In some cases, your info files might be renamed to avoid name X conflicts. If info files should not be renamed for some reason, X say so in the ---remark--- section. X X Info files must uudecode into the current directory. If they X absolutely must be renamed, or moved into a sub-directory, say X so in the ---remark--- section. X X When submitting multiple entries, be sure that each entry has X a unique entry number from 0 to 7. Your first entry should X have entry number 0. X X With the exception of the header, all text outside of the entry X format may be ignored. That is, don't place text outside of the X entry and expect the judges to see it. (Our decoding tools aren't X AI progs!) If you need tell the the something, put it in the X ---remark--- section, or send a Email to the judges at: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for X judges@toad.com submitting entries) X X The date should be given with respect to UTC. (Some systems refer X to this as GMT or GMT0) The format of the date should be that as X returned by asctime() in the C locale. An example of such a string is: X X Thr Apr 01 00:47:00 1993 X X This format is similar to the output of the date(1) command. The X string does not include the timezone name before the year. On many X systems, one of the following command will produce a similar string: X X date -u ""+%a %h %d %T 19%y"" X date -u | sed -e 's/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/' X sh -c 'TZ=UTC date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' X sh -c 'TZ=GMT date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' X sh -c 'TZ=GMT0 date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' X X You are allowed to update/fix/revise your entry. To do so, set X the 'fix' line in the ---entry--- section to 'y' instead of 'n'. X Be sure that the resubmittion uses the same title and entry number X as well, as these are used to determine which entry is to be X replaced. X X XJUDGING PROCESS: X X Entries are judged by Larry Bassel and Landon Curt Noll. X X Entries are unpacked into individual directories. The Email message X is unpacked into individual files, each containing: X X ---entry--- section X all ---author--- sections X all ---info--- sections X ---build--- section X ---program--- section X any other text, including the Email message headers X X Prior to judging, the 'any other text' file is scanned to be sure X it does not contain useful information (or in case the entry was X malformed and did not unpack correctly). Information from the X ---author--- sections are not read until the judging process is X complete, and then only from entries that have won an award. X X The above process helps keep us biased for/against any one particular X individual. We are usually kept in the dark as much as you are X until the final awards are given. We like the surprise of finding X out in the end, who won and where they were from. X X We attempt to keep all entries anonymous, unless they win an award. X Because the main 'prize' of winning is being announced, we make all X attempts to send non-winners into oblivion. We remove all non-winning X files, and shred all related paper. By tradition, we do not even X reveal the number of entries that we received. (for the curious, X we do indicate the volume of paper consumed when presenting the IOCCC X winners at talks) X X After the Usenix announcement, we attempt to send Email to the X authors of the winning entries. One reason we do this is to give X the authors a chance to comment on the way we have presented their X entry. They are given the chance to correct mistakes, typos. We X often accept their suggestions/comments about our remarks as well. X This is done prior to posting the winners to the wide world. X X Judging consists of a number of elimination rounds. During a round, X the collection of entries are divided into two roughly equal piles; X the pile that advances on to the next round, and the pile that does X not. We also re-examine the entries that were eliminated in the X previous round. Thus, an entry gets at least two readings. X X A reading consists of a number of actions: X X * reading the ---entry--- section X * reading the uudecoded ---build--- section X * reading the uudecoded ---program--- section X * reading the uudecoded ---info--- section(s), if any X * passing the source thru the C pre-processor X shipping over any #include files X * performing a number of C beautify/cleanup edits on the source X * passing the beautified source thru the C pre-processor X shipping over any #include files X X In later rounds, other actions are performed: X X * linting the source X * compiling/building the source X * running the program X * performing misc tests on the source and binary X X Until we reduce the stack of entries down to about 25 entries, entries X are judged on an individual basis. An entry is set aside because it X does not, in our opinion, meet the standard established by the round. X When the number of entries thins to about 25 entries, we begin to form X award categories. Entries begin to compete with each other for awards. X An entry often will compete in several categories. X X The actual award category list will vary depending on the types of entries X we receive. A typical category list might be: X X * best small one line program X * best small program X * strangest/most creative source layout X * most useful obfuscated program X * best game that is obfuscated X * most creatively obfuscated program X * most deceptive C code X * best X client (see OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES) X * best abuse of ANSI C X * worst abuse of the rules X * X X We do not limit ourselves to this list. For example, a few entries are so X good/bad that they are declared winners at the start of the final round. X We will invent awards categories for them, if necessary. X X In the final round process, we perform the difficult tasks of X reducing the remaining entries (typically about 25) down to 8 or 10 X winners. Often we are confident that the entries that make it into X the final round are definitely better than the ones that do not X make it. The selection of the winners out of the final round, is X less clear cut. X X Sometimes a final round entry good enough to win, but is beat out X by a similar, but slightly better entry. For this reason, it is X sometimes worthwhile to re-enter an improved version of an entry X that failed to win in a previous year. This assumes, of course, X that the entry is worth improving in the first place! X X More often that not, we select a small entry (usually one line), a X strange/creative layout entry, and an entry that abuses the contest X rules in some way. X X In the end, we traditionally pick one entry as 'best'. Sometimes such X an entry simply far exceeds any of the other entry. More often, the X 'best' is picked because it does well in a number of categories. X X XANNOUNCEMENT OF WINNERS: X X The first announcement, occurs at a Summer Usenix conference. By tradition, X this is done during the latter part of the UUNET/IOCCC BOF, just prior to X the Berkeley BSD, and BSDI BOF. X X Winning entries will be posted in late June to the following groups: X X comp.lang.c comp.unix.wizards alt.sources X X In addition, pointers to these postings are posted to the following X X comp.sources.d alt.sources.d misc.misc X comp.sources.misc comp.windows.x X X Winning entries will be deposited into the uunet archives. See X below for details. X X Often, winning entries are published in selected magazines. Winners X have appeared in books (""The New Hackers Dictionary"") and on T-Shirts. X X Last, but not least, winners receive international fame and flames! :-) X X XFOR MORE INFORMATION: X X You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for X judges@toad.com submitting entries) X X Questions and comments about the contest are welcome. X X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to | X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines | X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address | X above and use the subject 'send rules'. | X X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: | X X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) | X user: anonymous X pass: yourname@yourhost X dir: ~/pub/ioccc | X X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email | X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', | X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. | X X Xchongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com | XLarry Bassel lab@sun.com | SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 guidelines || echo ""restore of guidelines failed"" set `wc -c guidelines`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""25592""; then echo original size 25592, current size $Wc_c fi echo ""End of part 1, continue with part 2"" exit 0 -- Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. " 2181,1,From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) Subject: Closed-curve intersection Article-I.D.: shelley.1ra2paINN68s Organization: Abstract Software Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: phylo.genetics.washington.edu I would like a reference to an algorithm that can detect whether one closed curve bounded by some number of bezier curves lies completely within another closed curve bounded by bezier curves. Thanks. -- Sean T. Lamont | Ask me about the WSI-Fonts zeno@genetics.washington.edu | Professional collection for NeXT lamont@abstractsoft.com |____________________________________ Abstract Software 2182,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Allegheny College In article <1993Apr15.214421.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: I remember reading somewhere that 7% of the league was jewish during the 50's. Now, there is practically NOBODY " 2183,15,"From: creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: Indiana University Lines: 72 In article jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: >Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually >on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking >the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say >""Crucify him"" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it >again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were ""invited"" to sit >during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian ""invitation"", On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were ""invited"" to take the role of Jesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but to no avail. >musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the >liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be >explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just >sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about >to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay >""experts"", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a >bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of >bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for >people to be aware of the Lord's presence. As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of innovations. The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any decisions of their own in many cases. I guess it's easier to ""try something new"" than it is to refuse to allow it. At our parish on Holy Thursday, instead of the priests washing feet (""Who wants to get around people's feet,"" according to one of our priests) the congregation was ""invited"" to come up and help wash one another's hands. The symbolism of this action distressed me, and again I refused to participate. I thought that if we were to have to come up with rubrics for this liturgical action (i.e. ""Body of Christ"" -- ""Amen"" for receiving Communion), that they could be ""I am not responsible for the blood of this man."" Also for part of the Eucharistic Prayer (""Blessed are You, God of all creation..."") was substituted some text read by a lay couple. The priest certainly should not have given this part of the Mass over to others, and I was so disturbed that I declined to receive Communion that night (we aren't required to anyway -- I instead offered up prayers for our priests and parish). >So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass >going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or >Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware >of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should >just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational >participation in Catholic Masses lately? The quality of the Mass has not changed. Again, if it were to be celebrated according to the rubrics set down by the Church, it would still be ""liturgically"" beautiful. The problem comes about from people trying to be ""creative"" who are not. I think the answer to your question on participation could be that given by Father Peter Stravinskas in answer to the question posed by the title of Thomas Day's _Why Catholics Can't Sing_. ""They don't want to"" because of all this nonsense. By the way, for any non-Catholics reading this, the problem does not reflect bad liturgy by the Catholic Church, but by those who are disobedient to the Church in changing it on their own ""authority."" - - - - - - - - - - Steve Creps, Indiana University creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu " 2184,8,"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes: > >I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow >FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has >not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for >asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way! With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank bag. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 2185,2,"From: e324ngon@credit.erin.utoronto.ca (Ngo Nguyen) Subject: Re: speeding up windows Keywords: speed Organization: University of Toronto, Erindale Campus Lines: 25 In article <972@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes: >I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory > >I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw >my computer ""boggs"" down and becomes really sluggish! > >What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off > >Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to >the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? > >Thanx in advance > >Derek > >-- You can try defraging your disk more often. It definitely will help speed things up. A 2 megs smartdrv is also a good idea with the amount of memory you have, and use fastdisk (32bit access) if you not already. Hope that help.. N. Ngo " 2186,7,"From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Distribution: usa Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 33 >In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit, passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving 55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it, bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but, there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane, not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5. And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills! Jit " 2187,8,"From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs.. Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 34 Now, I am jumping into the middle of this thread so I may not know what y'all been talking about, but I have a few comments: In rec.motorcycles, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: >1. Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force >air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_. At the time the intake >valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only >the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after >the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric. As the piston decends on the >intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing >atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract. At no time >does the pressure ever become ""negative"", or even approach a good >vacuum. There are a number of other factors that are very important, the three biggest being air velocity, air momentum and shock waves. Velocity stacks have been used for years and are now being used inside of stock airboxes on a number of bikes. At a tuned engine rpm, the stacks can greatly increase the speed, and thus momentum of the air rushing in. Air momentum is critical in getting good air intake: the momentum of the air stack outside the combustion chamber will force its way inside long after the piston has begun its compressive up-stroke. Shock waves are used to induce air intake and to prevent fresh air from escaping out the exzhaust ports. Shock waves are the product of expansion chambers or any other means of presenting a 'wall' (opening or closing) to the air in motion. Beyond this I am lost in the mystery of how they design for shock waves. <================================================> / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ / ""I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."" \ <========================================================> " 2188,6,"From: craigb@rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu (Brian Craig) Subject: Polk S4 's forsale Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Distribution: misc.forsale Lines: 14 Pair of Polk S4 for sale Brand New never opened $220.00 craigb@rpi.edu " 2189,12,"From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () Subject: SEEKING THERMOCOUPLE AMPLIFIER CIRCUIT Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet () Organization: Materials Research Lab Lines: 17 I would like to be able to amplify a voltage signal which is output from a thermocouple, preferably by a factor of 100 or 1000 ---- so that the resulting voltage can be fed more easily into a personal-computer-based ADC data acquisition card. Might anyone be able to point me to references to such circuits? I have seen simple amplifier circuits before, but I am not sure how well they work in practice. In this case, I'd like something which will amplify sufficiently ""nicely"" to be used for thermocouples (say, a few degrees accuracy or better). Any pointers would be greatly appreciated! " 2190,15,"From: brownli@ohsu.edu@ohsu.edu (Liane Brown) Subject: DOCTRINE OF GOD Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 111 This is being posted as a general outline for your personal study of this doctrine: THE DOCTRINE OF GOD I. THE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD Of all of the doctrines of Scripture, this is the most important. The Bible is pre-eminently a revelation of God. Therefore, our first objective in studying the Bible should be to know God. I believe that the Bible teaches that there are Three Persons in the Godhead (Trinity): God, the Father; God the Son--the Lord Jesus Christ; and God, the Holy Spirit. I believe that they are individual Persons who are one in nature, meaning that They are identical in nature, each possessing the same divine attributes. They are also equally worthy of our worship, our trust, and our obedience. Cf. Matt.28:19, 2 Cor.13:14; John 14:8,9,16,17. II. THE ATTRIBUTES, or CHARACTERISTICS, OF THE GODHEAD. A. God's nature is revealed in the Name He has taken for Himself: Jehovah. He is the living God, eternal, and unchanging. He is without beginning, and without ending. Cf. Isa.42:8. B. God is a spirit. Cf. John 4:24. C. God is love. Cf. 1 John 4:8,16. As such, He is gracious, merciful, good, faithful, patient, and full of lovingkindness. Cf. Psa 89:1,2; Psa 103:8; Nahum 1:7. D. But God is also holy and righteous. He is absolutely without sin in His nature, and so is incapable of sinning in though, word, or action. Cf. Ex. 15:11; Isa. 6:3. E. God is omnipresent (everywhere present at the same time in the completeness of His Person), omniscient (all knowing, knowing all things--the end from the beginning, infinitely wise), omnipotent (almighty, sovereign, with unlimited power over all creation). God is infinite in His presence, wisdom, and power. It is my conviction that the work of the Lord in our day has become very man-centered, and that the people in our churches know very little about God. I believe that the Lord's work needs to be God-centered, and that the people of God need to understand that God is sovereign in all things: in the affairs of nations, in the lives of all people, and in the carrying out of His purposes regarding salvation. III. THE WORKS OF THE GODHEAD. A. In creation All Three Persons of the Godhead were active in creating, and all Three are active in sustaining creation, and in ordering the course of human affairs (for nations as well as individual people) to the end of time. Cf. Gen. 1:1,2; John 1:1-3; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:3. B. In salvation In order to understand salvation I believe that it is absolutely necessary to begin with God, not with man. All three Persons of the Godhead have been, and are, active in salvation. 1. God, the Father Salvation originated with God. The Members of the Godhead determined in eternity past that there would be salvation, the conditions under which people could and would be saved, and even who would be saved. Election to salvation is recognized in Scripture as the work of God, the Father. Cf. Eph 1:3-4; 2 Thess 2:13-14. 2. Christ, the Son of God The Lord Jesus Christ, through His birth by the virgin Mary, came to the earth to accomplish two important works: a. He came as the final and complete revelation of God, the Father. Cf. Col 1:15; heb 1:1-3. b. He came to provide salvation for all whom the Father had chosen. He did this by His death on the Cross, by His bodily resurrection, and by His present intercessory work in heaven. The work of salvation will be completed for us when the Lord returns. Cf. Rom 5:8-10; 1 Cor 15:3- 4; Heb 7:25, 1 John 3:2. 3. The Holy Spirit As the Author of Scripture, the theme of which is Christ and His redemptive work, the Holy Spirit is carrying out the redemptive plan of God in the following ways: a. He convicts of sin. Cf. John 16:7-11 b. He regenerates (known in the Bible as the new birth). Cf. John 3:5-8. c. He indwells each believer to fulfill the work of sanctification. Cf. John 14-16-17. d. He seals every believer in Christ, thus making salvation secure. Cf. Eph 1:13-14. e. He baptizes every believer into the body of Christ. Cf. Cor. 12:13 f. He teaches every believer the truth of Scripture. Cf. John 14:26. g. He bestows spiritual gifts on the people of God for ministry. (Cf. 1 Cor 12 h. He restrains sin. Cf Gal 5:16-26. i. He empowers for living and for service. Cf. Acts 1:8 ---------------------------------- Liane Brown (Internet) brownli@ohsu.edu Portland Oregon " 2191,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Summary: How virtually? Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu -*----- In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >> ... if you can't observe or culture the yeast ""bloom"" in the >> gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or even recognize >> the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually >> impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body >> that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in >> the body. In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory. > Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying > it is the cause of whatever. Since no one can disprove it, you can > rake in the bucks for quite some time. I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not be investigated. Many researchers have made breakthroughs by figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought ""virtually impossible to test for."" Indeed, I would be surprised if ""candida overbloom"" were such a phenomena. I would think that candida would produce signature byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the extent of recent infection. I realize this might get quite tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as ""virtually impossible."" Russell " 2192,6,"From: Peter Todd Chan Subject: *REDUCED* Sony CD Players 4 Sale Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229* CONDITION: excellent AGE: 1 year old PRICE: $300 *includes TOS.LINK ITEM: Sony CDP 770 CONDITION: excellent AGE: 2.5 years old PRICE: $250 Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425 P.S. Yes, these are for sale again. " 2193,2,"From: hjhong@ev004.ev.nctu.edu.tw (H. J. Hong) Subject: FTP tool for Windows Organization: National Chiao Tung University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 8 Is there any one know: What is the FTP tool for Windows and where to get the tool ? Thanks for any help !! H.J. 1993,4,19 " 2194,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 52 In article jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) writes: >In article kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: >= This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us ""how"", >= not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the ""why"" >= questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the >= supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is >= as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist. I beg to disagree with the assertion that science is a collection of models. Scientific models are a game to play, and are only as good as the assumptions and measurements (if any) that go into them. As an example, I remember when nuclear winter was the big hype in atmospheric science. It wasn't long after Sagan's admonitions that one of our boys was adding another level of reality into his model of the nuclear winter scenario at ERL in Boulder. He decided to assume that the atmosphere is more like a two-dimensional thing, than a one- dimensional thing. He also assumed that it rained and that the winds blow in the real atmosphere. On returning to Georgia Tech, he showed a transparency of atmospheric cooling rates according to the year they were generated by the models. There was an unmistakable correlation between the age (meaning simplicity of assumptions; i.e., remoteness from reality) of each model and the degree of cooling. Whereas Sagan's model showed an approximate 40-degree cooling episode, the next model in sophistication showed about half that, and so on until we got to our boy's model, which showed a 1-2 degree drop if the war happened in the winter and less than a 10 degree drop if it happened in the summer. He predicted that when we would include the presence of oceans, chemistry, the biosphere, and other indicators of reality in the models, we would probably see even less cooling. Thus nuclear winter was reduced to even less than a nuclear autumn, one might say, to a nuclear fizzle. To quote from H.S. Yoder, The postulated models have become accepted as the reality instead of the lattice of assumptions they are. Authoritarianism dominates the field, and a very critical analysis of each argument is to be encouraged.... Skepticism of the model approach to earth problems is warranted because many key parameters have not been included. This statement surely applies equally well to cosmogony. Only when convincing observational evidence substantiates the modeled results may one suggest that the model may describe the reality. Just thought I'd clear that up before things really got out of hand. -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) " 2195,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr21.150545.24058@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: |In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: | | |In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their |cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO |is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience |base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as |much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G |range. > Alan, don't forget, a HUGE cost for airliner developement is FAA certification. the joke is when the paperwork exceeds teh weight of the airplane, it will fly. The SR-71, and teh X-15 both highly ambitious aero-space projects were done on very narrow engineering budgets. Partly because they didn't spend much on paper pushing. There is some company in missouri trying to get funding to build light commercial transporters on a low cost basis, mostly by reducing FAA certification costs. pat " 2196,5,"From: mbell@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mike Bell) Subject: **** CURSOR SIZE PROBLEMS **** Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: jed.csc.liv.ac.uk /* Apologies for those who have read this before but no-one has solved this */ /* one yet so I'm posting again! Sorry :-) */ I'm having problems creating a cursor bigger than 64x64, I'm using Motif 1.1 X11R4 running HP-UX 8.07 - all the functions return valid results but no cursor appears when the bitmap is bigger than the aforementioned size. I tried using the following code: unsigned int w,h; XQueryBestCursor(XtDisplay(programArea), XtWindow(programArea), 72, 71, &w, &h); to return the nearest size to what I require however it returns 72 and 71 as the width and height respectively. What am I doing wrong? and if not how can I get round the problem!! Thanks in advance Mike " 2197,6,"From: xanadu@seanews.akita.com (Dan Scherer) Subject: PS/2 Stuff Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail Lines: 30 Misc. P2/2 Stuff! CARDS: (Micro Channel) (6) Arcnet, Coax, 83X9648. Net Cards. (3) Serial Adapter. P/N: 90X8459 (2) Parallel Adapters. P/N: 72X6753 (2) CoProcessor?? P/N: 83X7488 (2) Memory Expansion Option. P/N: 90X9507 Expanded Memory Adapter w/2Mb. P/N: 61X6752 Expanded memory Adapter, 0k, P/N: 90X8799 Alloy FTC500/MCA Tape adapter. DRIVES: (Hard & Floppy) 30 Mb HDD, P/N: 90X9403 Model WD-336R 60 Mb HDD, P/N: 6128282, Model WD-387T 1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #A79541 1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #88086 This is what I have aquired over the past few years in PS/2 components... I have posted the part #'s, so if you have any questions as to what a component is, you can call IBM and find out! (I have no idea!!!) Make me an offer! Trades welcome! Dan Scherer (206) 453-5215 Voice (206) 996-8350 Pager -- [] SEANEWS [] Seattle Public Access Usenet News + Mail [] +1 206 747 NEWS [] xanadu@seanews.akita.com " 2198,1,"From: besmith@uncc.edu (Brian E Smith) Subject: Re: Rayshade query Nntp-Posting-Host: ws27.uncc.edu Reply-To: besmith@uncc.edu Organization: University of NC at Charlotte Lines: 22 In article 5742@sunvax.sun.ac.za, 8910782@sunvax.sun.ac.za () writes: >I am also looking for a surface for the chesspieces. The board is marble. >Unfortunately black won't work very well for the one side. Anybody with ideas >for nice surfaces? How about brass or silver? I've seen real chessboards that use that material. > >Where should I post the finished chessboard? > Right here is as good a place as any. Can't wait to see it. I use the POV raytracer - is it compatible enough for your chessboard? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I don't know if you've got the whole picture or not, but it doesn't seem like he's running on all thrusters!"" -- Leonard McCoy ""A guess? You, Spock? That's extraordinary!"" -- James T. Kirk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Smith (besmith@mosaic.uncc.edu) " 2199,8,"From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: KREME Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 8 Hi folks! Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only one man's opinion. Any one else have any experience with the stuff? " 2200,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Steve Holland) Subject: Re: Crohn's Disease Organization: UAB - Gastroenterology Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr14.174824.12295@westminster.ac.uk>, kxaec@sun.pcl.ac.uk (David Watters) wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am a Crohn's Disease sufferer and I'm interested if anyone knows of any current research that is going on into the subject. I've done some investigation myself so you don't need to spare me any details. I've had the fistulas, the ileostomy, etc.. > > Is a ""cure"" on the horizon ? > > I am not in the medical profession so if you do reply I would appreciate plain speak. > > I'd prefer to be mailed direct as I don't always get a chance to read the news. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dave. The best group to keep you informed is the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. I do not know if the UK has a similar organization. The address of the CCFA is CCFA 444 Park Avenue South 11th Floor New York, NY 10016-7374 USA They have a lot of information available and have a number of newsletters. Good Luck. Steve " 2201,11,"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 61 In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes: >I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the >proposed wiretap (or ""Clipper"") chip is a cost-effective tool for >police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government >intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to >investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry, >and their customers, to support this wiretap technology? > >A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million >dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S. >wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28 >billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].) >I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but >I'd like to ask hardware experts out there to help me with estimating >the costs of the new proposed wiretap technology. > >Please send me quotable/citeable estimates for: > >- How many chips which would need to be made per year to keep all > phones with wiretap chips? >- How much would it cost to make each chip? >- How much did it cost to develop this technology in the first place? >- How much more would supporting hardware, people, etc. cost, per chip? >- What percentage cheaper would encryption chips and support have been > if private enterprise could compete to meet customer encryption needs? >- What percentage of phone traffic would be taken up by the proposed > ""law enforcement blocks""? >- What is the total cost of handling all phone traffic per year? > >Put another way, the question I'm asking is, what if each police >agency that wanted a particular wiretap had to pay for it, being >charged their share of the full social cost of forcing communication >to be wiretap compatible? Would they choose to buy such wiretaps, or >would they find it more cost-effective to instead investigate crimes >in other ways? >-- >Robin Hanson hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov >415-604-3361 MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035 >510-651-7483 47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA 94539-7921 First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? Second, this isn't a problem of economics. This is a problem of the incremental accumulation of police-state powers by our government. How, exactly, do you put a price on the loss of freedom of a society? Maybe use the dollars/life lost calculations for the extra people killed by the gov. The pain and suffering cases for those tortured. The dollars/life lost caused by the inevitable collapse of the economy, and all the secondary effects of diseases, diet, etc. Plus, the inevitable collapse of the economy as the gov controls it, becomes corrupt, etc. Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go do useful work for the society. lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). " 2202,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: BB Confessions. Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr18.022218.17318@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > >But the irony is that the Jewish population has no problem in electing >a leader who has CONFESSED to having an extra marrital affair. > >This is a first. > >AA. The American people didn't have any problem with it too (Clinton). Actually I think that it does not make any difference as long as they have the qualifications to become leaders. BTW in my political view I hope (and should be the Arab hope too) that Binyamin Netanyahu will not be ellected as prime minister of Israel. Naftaly ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 2203,7,"From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 48 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, (Eric Youngblood) says: >In article , eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >[race car stuff deleted] Back to the F1 stuff for a second, note that the `auto' tranny in F1 _STILL_ shifts at the driver's command, not some preselected schedule. The driver still controls the shifting, not the transmission. >|> now, there is no dispute that in production cars, automatics are >|> inherently more lossy than manuals. that is in theory. my point all >|> along is that whatever mechanical advantages a manual has over an >|> automatic can very easily be lost by a driver who isn't skillful or >One thing that gives an automatic an advantage at launch is the fact that >it has a torque converter vs a clutch. I know this sounds strange but, >a torque converter multiplies the engine output when launching. It functions ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >as a sort of limited Continuously Variable Transmission. Typically you get >a torque multiplication of 2 to 3 times depending on the stall speed. I have yet to see a torque multiplier installed on a production automobile. Such systems do exist, but none are presently installed in production autos that I am aware of. These are commonly called viscous drive CVTs or fluidic amplifiers. >Contrasted to a clutch which merely slips when feathered (result is no TQ mult) What the convertor _does_ allow is for the engine to be closer to its torque peak during the launch before a clutched car can fully engage it's driveline. Chevy proved it many years ago with the '70 Camaro (ETs and terminal 1/4 mile times were close enough tpo be identical for 4 speed and auto cars). Note that this is also the major reason that an auto car can get away with fewer gears than a manual, the slip in the convertor makes up for the fewer ratios (and before everyone starts yelling about the proposed 5 sspeed autos soon to be out, note that some manufacturers are using 6 speed manulas now). >Once past lauch however, the converter begins coupling and the TQ multiplication >effect is reduced, but by then you should be on the cam. Correct. -- Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA ""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" -Mary Chapin-Carpenter " 2204,16,"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 37 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 12:34:13 GMT In <1r0qk5INNc5m@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: > In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > writes: > > I balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the > > independent facts as I see them on video. I usually adopt the > > scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally > > believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely > > scenarios. > > > Then answer the question: Why was NO ONE ELSE permitted to talk to Koresh, Koresh had a lawyer, Deguin(?) who he spoke to in person several times during the last few weeks. > It cannot be denied that if they had left them alone, there would have been >no fire yesterday. This strikes me as a tad ingenous. ""If X had done/note done Y, then Z would never have happened."" I tend to place tha responsibility on the group/person actually committing the act, not on those whon ""forced them to do it"". After all, to take an extreme example, if the British were not in Northern Ireland, the IRA would not be forced to place bombs in shopping centers. That said, this whole sorry story was a totally unecessary, utterly fucked up mess from the get go. semper fi, Jammer Jim Miller Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________ I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. ""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph " 2205,1,"From: scott@osi.com (Scott Fleming) Subject: Sun IPX root window display - background picture Keywords: sun ipx background picture Organization: Objective Systems Integrators, Folsom Ca. Lines: 22 Hello netters! I have a fairly weak question to ask everybody in netland. I've looked though the last FAQ for comp.graphics but I didn't find my answer. Thus the post. I'll keep it short. QUESTION: How do I display any raster files, gif files, iff or tiff images that I have on my ""root window"" or background? I have a sun ipc, openwindows 3.0, Sun OS 4.1.3 if that helps any. I've compiled POV for the sun and would like to display some of the work I have done as a background/tile. Thanks for any help or information that you provide. Have a good day. Scott Fleming OSI P.S. Kudo's to the people who provided POV, its great! " 2206,8,"From: downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.cs.berkeley.edu Paraphrase of initial post: Can I fight a speeding ticket in court? My reply: Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let us know how it goes. ABD " 2207,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) Subject: Re: Joe Robbie Stadium ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210510.2943 Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes: > Did anyone notice the words ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" printed on the picture > of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA > Today? Any reason given for this? Yes, and the answer is simple. To create a better feeling in the park, the seats will be folded back for baseball games where you saw those words. " 2208,6,"From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor) Subject: [Genesis/MegaDrive] Games for sale/trade Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK. Lines: 23 I have the following Genesis/Megadrive games for sale or trade for other Genesis/MD (or SNES games). All games will work with both US and UK machines (50 or 60Hz) except where stated and all are boxed with instructions D&D Warriors of the Eternal Sun Outlander Death Duel Chakan the Forever man Wonder Boy in Monster Land A.Sennas Super Monaco GP 2 (50Hz only) Ill accept US$ or UK sterling. Make me an offer! Cheers Jonathan -- ___________ |onathan Phone: +44 524 65201 x3793 Address:Department of Computing '-'________ Fax: +44 524 381707 Lancaster University E-mail: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster, Lancs., U.K. " 2209,13,"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr5.191712.7543@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes: >In <1993Apr03.1.6627@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>Gordon, your experience is valid for many, but not all. The >>fact that you know a few people who have been overweight and are >>now stable at a lower (normal or just less?) weight does not >>contradict the observation that only 5-10 per cent can maintain >>ideal weight with current technology. > >Actually, the observation is that only 5-10% of those who seek help >from your so-called ""diet evangelists"" can maintain their weight. I >happen to agree with Keith Lynch that there are many people who can >and do lose weight on their own, and who are not reflected in the >dismal failure rate that is often quoted. > >Wasn't there a study where a researcher asked a more general population, >perhaps some part of a university community, about weight loss and he/she >found that a much higher percentage had lost and maintained? In fact Adiposity 101 mentions a similar study (search for ""life events"" in any recent version of Adiposity 101). The problem with anecdotal reports about individuals who have lost weight and kept it off is that we don't know what caused the weight gain in the first place. This is critical because someone who gains weight because of something temporary (drug effect, life event, etc.) may appear successful at dieting when the weight loss was really the result of reversing the temporary condition that caused the weight gain. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 " 2210,0,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: |> There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of |> marriage. ... |> |> Where is the evidence for my opinions? At the moment, there are just |> generalities I can cite. For example, I read that in the 20th century, |> the percentage of youth (and people in general) who suffer from |> depression has been steadily climbing in Western societies (probably |> what I was reading referred particularly to the USA). Similarly, one |> can detect a trend towards greater occurrence of sex outside of marriage |> in this century in Western societies -- particularly with the ""sexual |> revolution"" of the 60's, but even before that I think (otherwise the |> ""sexual revolution"" of the 60's would not have been possible), |> particularly with the gradual weakening of Christianity and consequently |> Christian moral teachings against sex outside of marriage. I propose |> that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society |> (and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are |> linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot |> provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis |> seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it. |> |> Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view. |> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I think this is a big leap sex->depression. One example is myself, where no sex->depression :) But, seriously 1) promiscuity is on a decline, depression is not and 2) it might be more reasonable to say depression->promiscuity. I think depression is more likely to come from emotional problems (relationships, family, job, friends) and promiscuity is used as an escape. Since I see marriage as a civil and religious bond rather than an emotional bond, I don't see a problem with sex before (not outside of) marriage so long as you have the same commitment and devotion as what is expected from a married couple. Of course, this is just my opinion. Brian /-|-\ " 2211,13,"From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: cortex.physiol.su.oz.au Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 29 In marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes: >> >>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that >>the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not >>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - >>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant >>Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? MSG is mono sodium glutamate, a fairly straight forward compound. If it is pure, the source should not be a problem. Your comment suggests that impurities may be the cause. My experience of MSG effects (as part of a double blind study) was that the pure stuff caused me some rather severe effects. >I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on >our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are >there other sources of MSG? Soya bean, fermented cheeses, mushrooms all contain MSG. >I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However, >I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each >causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat >and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant. The symptoms I had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance followed by the arms then the legs, headache, lethargy and unable to keep awake. I think it may well affect people differently. " 2212,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Article-I.D.: news.C5345n.DGF Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 36 jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.200200.29965@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: >> >>rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: >> >>>> There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled: >>>> >>>> 5.0 LITER MUSTANG >> >sports car, butm my mothers '88 GT was considered a sports car. >I still can't quite figure that out, since when do plastic add-ons >make a car a sports car? >Jeff We're talking about insurance agents from Bumf**k Illinois (ST.FARM is HQ'ed in Bloomington). What the hell do they know about cars... Both are sports cars... :-) -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *""Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."" Peart ""Cinderella Man""************* " 2213,15,"From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: So far so good Lines: 16 >>This may be a really dumb one, but I'll ask it anyways: >> Christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of >>God, right? (I may be wrong, but that is my understanding) But they still >>try to do it. Doesn't it seem like we are spending all of our lives >>trying to reach a goal we can never achieve? I know that we are saved by >>faith and not by works, but does that mean that once we are saved we don't >>have to do anything? I think James tells us that Faith without works is >>dead (paraphrase). How does this work? Short reply: We can never achieve perfect health, yet we always strive for it. We don't seek to do God's will because we're forced to, we follow His way because His way is best. The reason it's hard is because we are flawed, not because He's unreasonable. But we seek to follow His way because we want to improve ourselves and our lives. - Mark " 2214,11,"From: smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (D. Wigglesworth) Subject: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where? Summary: Do you know? Organization: UTCC Public Access Lines: 8 Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public key cryptography (such as RSA)? I've tried various archie searches to no avail. Thanks, Dan " 2215,2,"From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: RFD: comp.databases.access Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Oganization: uiowa.edu This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS. NAME: COMP.DATABASES.ACCESS MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed. PURPOSE: Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a database programming language called Access Basic. THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use Access Basic to create complex databases. RATIONALE: Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical Development enviroment and its initial low price. Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices. For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions. -- Napoleon mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu " 2216,12,"From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov Subject: Telcom wiring question...need help Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: novax.llnl.gov I've got two lines coming into my apartment. Two different telephone numbers. When I ordered the second line installed, instead of bringing out another 4 wire bundle, the telco just connected up to my yellow and black wires. So I have one line on red & green and the other on yellow & black. Today I was monitoring the voltage on both lines. I had a voltmeter across the red and green and read back 52 volts. I then lifted up the receiver on my second line.(black & yellow wires) The voltage dropped to 31 volts on the first line. (red & green wires) I repeated this experiment with the second line(monitoring black & yellow and lifting the handset off the cradle on the red and green line.) It also dropped to 31 volts. Why is this ? I thought these were separate lines. Next I went to the 66 block and disconnected the blue and white lines coming in from the telco cable. I then disconnected all the phones in my apartment and went back to the 66 block and did some resistance measurements. Both lines read open. I'll appreciate any help on this. Is this considered normal ? Guy Urbina Urbina@novax.llnl.gov " 2217,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside.) A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. -andy -- " 2218,6,"From: easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu (Suzanna T. Chow) Subject: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Summary: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! Keywords: pionneer Lines: 15 features include: Detachable Face, 30x4 watt amplifier, Infra-red Remote, 8 times oversampling 1 bit DAC, supertuner IV (18fm and 6am presets), best station memory CD Changer Controller, loud switch, clock all original packaging, asking $450.00 (or best offer) This CD reciever is a very nice radio, great condition, the remote comes in very handy (you wouldn't think it would), TOP of the line CD Reciever Interested! send email to Brion Sohn at (easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu) any resonable offers will be considered ******Latest offer $400.00 (including shipping)********* " 2219,6,"From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar) Subject: !!!!!!!>> NEW STEREO SYSTEM FOR SALE < <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org> <18APR199313560620@judy.uh.edu> Lines: 12 In article <18APR199313560620@judy.uh.edu>, Dennis writes about a zillion lines in response to article <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>, in which Allen wrote a zillion lines in response to article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu>, in which Dennis wrote another zillion lines in response to Allen. Hey, can it you guys. Take it to email, or talk.politics.space, or alt.flame, or alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol, or anywhere, but this is sci.space. This thread lost all scientific content many moons ago. Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu " 2221,19,"From: ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk) Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta In article , swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) said: >Posted on 27 Mar 1993 at 00:16:13 by Michael Parks Swaim >In article jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes: >>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get: (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336 >> >>This mean anything to anyone? :^) 5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else. _________________________________________________________________________ º...and everything under the sun is in tune... º ""What was Jabba the º ºnd the sun is eclipsed by the moon."" º Hut smoking?"" º º --Pink Floyd º --Alex º º ""Eclipse"" º curious º º_________________________________________________º_____________________º " 2222,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 27 In article <1qjfnv$ogt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) wrote: > (1) Does the term ""hero-worship"" mean anything to you? Yes, worshipping Jesus as the super-saver is indeed hero-worshipping of the grand scale. Worshipping Lenin that will make life pleasant for the working people is, eh, somehow similar, or what. > (2) I understand that gods are defined to be supernatural, not merely > superhuman. The notion of Lenin was on the borderline of supernatural insights into how to change the world, he wasn't a communist God, but he was the man who gave presents to kids during Christmas. > #Actually, I agree. Things are always relative, and you can't have > #a direct mapping between a movement and a cause. However, the notion > #that communist Russia was somewhat the typical atheist country is > #only something that Robertson, Tilton et rest would believe in. > > Those atheists were not True Unbelievers, huh? :-) Don't know what they were, but they were fanatics indeed. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 2223,1,"From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr16.212441.34125@rchland.ibm.com>, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu>, Sean McMains writes: > > |> > |> Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an > |> earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. > |> I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be > |> precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit > |> color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC > |> processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, > |> though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly > |> dynamic material. > > > Sean, I don't want to get into a 'mini-war' by what I am going to say, > but I have to be a little bit skeptic about the performance you are > claiming on the Centris, you'll see why (please, no-flames, I reserve > those for c.s.m.a :-) ) > > I was in Chicago in the last consumer electronics show, and Apple had a > booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture > using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot > quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one > (1.5). That is in fact the current version (it only came out in December). > They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite > nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by > 3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it > wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he > increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps. > > Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know > what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime > could play back at the same speed even on an LCII. > > Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having > a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was > from memory! My test movie was created at 320*240 resolution, it wasn't being scaled up. Scaling was a very CPU-intensive operation with the original QuickTime (1.0); the current version has optimizations for ratios like 4:1 (160*120 -> 320*240), but even so, I'm prepared to believe that the performance isn't as good as with playing back an actual 320*240 movie. I haven't done any numerical measurements for scaled playback. Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889 Computer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066 University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26"" S, 175^ 19' 7"" E, GMT+12:00 " 2224,10,"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA Lines: 23 In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: >In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca >(Mathew Tasalloti) says: >>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. > > Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance >at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it >Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. >Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are >rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! (Well, since you're a Pens fans the whole question is moot. I think the teams most likely to beat the Pens are the Bruins, Nordiques, and Blackhawks but I don't think they can really do it. :-)) -Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil " 2225,1,From: cywang@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Crying Freeman) Subject: What's a good assembly VGA programming book? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 9 Can someone give me the title of a good VGA graphics programming book? Please respond by email. Thanks! --Yuan -- Che-Yuan Wang cw21219@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu cywang@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 2226,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 4 I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 2227,6,"From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) Subject: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! Distribution: na Organization: WINCO Lines: 36 Heavy-duty, commercial, TINY,(6x3x1/2 inch) WATERPROOF, VHF 2 watt, 2 channel, handheld two-way radio. MOTOROLA EXPO purchased NEW for Amateur frequencies 146.10/70 & 146.34/94. Absolute M I N T condition! Never scratched, dropped, opened, or otherwise ""comprosmised""! Can be re-crystaled for business band. has PL slot. Original Price: ======================== MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------------------$1200.00 (comes with portable charger, antenna, manual, NEW Ni-Cad pack, back housing belt clip) MOTOROLA extra NEW Ni-Cad pack-----------------------$ 40.00 MOTOROLA extra VHF rubber-duckie antenna-------------$ 12.50 MOTOROLA Desktop quick charger-----------------------$ 135.00 MOTOROLA External speaker-mic.-----------------------$ 125.00 MOTOROLA +12V cig. lighter Battery Eliminator--------$ 80.00 MOTOROLA Heavy-Duty Nylon holster--------------------$ 25.00 MOTOROLA EXPO Technical Manuals----------------------$ 5.00 MOTOROLA EXPO tuning/case opening tools--------------$ N/C --------------------- $1622.50 Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!! Thanks a lot! Jeff _____________________________________________________________________________ ||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|| ||Jeff B. Later WB7TZA ""jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov"" | ""I have become || ||*""Disclaimer, Disclaimer, Where's My Lawyer!""* | comfortably numb"" || || | Pink Floyd || | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2228,12,"From: caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu (CARY DAVID ALLEN) Subject: Self-modifying hardware Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Lines: 70 Permit me to quote fragments of praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca's article out of context. -Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.lsi.cad -From: praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) -Date: 10 Feb 93 15:46:41 GMT - Currently the XNF format is propierty and I know of at least on person at -a university who was able to get it after signing a non-disclosure agreement. -The Xilinx-bit map format is pretty well top secret. I would love to know it -because then you could make self_modifying_hardware ;-) As it is I had to -reverse eng. the Xilinx tools to dump the bit map to the FPGA because it only -runs on the computer with the hardware key. self-modifying hardware could be *very* interesting -- computers that could write thier own programs (assemblers, compilers) were an immense breakthrough from calculators that couldn't. - I eagerly await a programmable gate array which uses a PD format and does -not cost your first born to program. Till then we will keep on reverse -engineering whatever we can. As it is one company that I worked at has gone -under. FPGAs are what they needed to make their product competitive. They -could not afford them. In the end you could say that they could not afford -to not use them but the management discovered that too late. - - Eric my condolences. i can't even imagine what i could do with self-modifing hardware. i *can* imagine self-modifying software, and even though *all* my teachers say that's BAD, even Worse than GOTO, check out what the experts *used* to say about self-modifying code: (he uses ""orders"" rather than ""opcodes"") ""On the Principles of Large Scale Computing Machines"" by Goldstine and von Neumann, collected in _John von Neumann: Collected Works, Vol. V_ reprinted here with absolutely no permission from anyone. ""We plan... to have a full size (40 binary digit) word hold either contain 1 full size number (... equivalent to 12 decimal digits, but we will use the first binary digit to denote the sign) or two (20 binary digit) orders. .... It should be added that this technique of automatic substitutions into orders, i.e. the machine's ability to modify its own orders (under the control of other ones among its orders) is absolutely necessary for a flexible code. Thus, if part of the memory is used as a ""function table"", then ""looking up"" a value of that function for a value of the variable which is obtained in the course of the computation requires that the machine itself should modify, or rather make up, the reference to the memory in the order which controls this ""looking up"", and the machine can only make this modification after it has already calculated the value of the variable in question. On the other hand, this ability of the machine to modify its own orders is one of the things which makes coding the non-trivial operation which we have to view it as."" david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu). 227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK 74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2 -- david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu). 227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK 74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2 " 2229,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com Lines: 14 In article , dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: > > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > > I defy any theist to reply. For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? Chris Mussack (This is another example of my biting, raw-edged humor that is neither appreciated nor understood by everyone.) #8;-)> {Messy hair, glasses, winking, smiling, big chin} " 2230,14,"From: C.H.A.Wong@bradford.ac.uk (CHA WONG) Subject: How can you see the launch of the Space Shuttle ? Organization: University of Bradford, UK Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Sorry for asking a question that's not entirely based on the technical aspects of space, but I couldn't find the answer on the FAQs ! I'm currently in the UK, which makes seeing a Space Shuttle launch a little difficult..... However, I have been selected to be an exchange student at Louisiana State Uni. from August, and I am absolutely determined to get to see a Space Shuttle launch sometime during the year at which I will be in America. I hear there's a bit of a long mailing list, so if someone can tell me how to get tickets and where to get them from, then please E-mail me ! Thanks very much for your patience.... (And if anyone else wants to know, tell me and I'll summarize for you - just to save all those poor people who have to pay for their links !) -- =============================== April is the cruellest month Andrew Wong \ Mixing memory and desire -----x----- \ E-mail:C.H.A.Wong@bradford.ac.uk \ T.S.Eliot - The Wasteland 1918 " 2231,16,"From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 63 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: > >Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > >CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all >the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The >lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear >gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. >ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that >the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. Actually if 'a few minutes' translates into 6 hours, you have it right. BUT you (and I guess your single-source news agency CNN) failed to mention the Davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it in plain view. >THIS IS MURDER! Well, small-scale Jim Jones type suicide with fire instead of kool-aid. > >ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! Sorry, guy, you got it wrong. ATF was pumping tear gas into the compound. The Branch Davidians (going along with their apocolyptic faith) set their own compound on fire killing all but 9 or so. No children survived. >THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! Self-slaughter, anyway. I pity the children who were to young to be able to make a conscious choice. >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. You are wrong. Thank goodness. I would suggest, however, that you take a deep breath, and wait 30 minutes or so before posting. Also make sure your facts are correct before making your allegations(sp.). >I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! You repeated wrong. There were 9. >God help us all. God help the Branch Davidians. >PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! NO DON'T!!!! THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH OF THIS CRAP BEING CROSSPOSTED ALL OVER CREATION AS IT IS!!!!!! -- <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> " 2232,9,"From: DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Organization: SouthWest Mo State Univ Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: > >Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. >brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. >-- No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I've never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league, and he's still finding a way to lose. I'll be surprised if he makes it through the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made. An even more frustrated Royals fan, Darin J. Keener dak988s@vma.smsu.edu " 2233,4,Organization: Rohm and Haas Company From: Subject: **WANTED: 120M Hard Drive** Lines: 5 I am in the market for a 120M hard drive! I have a IIsi with 5/80 and I am almost all filled up! Is anyone selling any HD's for the Mac for cheap? Where can I get one through mail order and where is the best place to buy from for the best prices? Is there anyone on the net or on this newsgroup that sells them for wholesale or cheaper? Any info would be appreciated! Thanks! 2234,3,"From: JMARTTILA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Fast-Eddie Felson) Subject: Adaptec 1542A problem Organization: Turku School of Economics X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 29 Hello I have recently suffered from various problems concerning an Adaptec 1542A controller. Problem 1: Floppy disk drive doesn't work. There's apparently at least two jumpers on the controller that affect the floppy disk drive. Unfortunately I have located only one of them (in the lower front corner). I would like to know, if there are any other such jumpers and possibly where they are located. Problem 2: My hard disks refuse to boot. With my two SCSI HD's (Rodime, Miniscribe) I get a message 'Missing operating system', even though the disks have been formatted with the same controller and they damn sure have an operating system on them. If I boot from a Quantum I might get as far as getting the MS-DOS version information. This might of course be due to incombatible memory drivers. Are there any jumpers that could affect the HD causing such errors? Thanks in advance Jouni _______________________________________________________________________________ Jouni Marttila - Yo-kyl{ 11 B 25, 20540 Turku, FINLAND - +358 21 374624____ jmarttila@abo.fi - jmarttila@finabo - abovax::jmarttila - jjmartti@utu.fi__ PGP-key available via finger jmarttila@abo.fi ___________________________ " 2235,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Market or gov failures Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr6.133130.8998 Distribution: sci Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 52 In 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: >[Fred saying that gov coercive poser is necessary for any space program] >I reply; >>>BTW, Fred, you've really crossed the border, since you admit that the ideas >>>you support can only be carried out with coercive power. Now that's really >>>f***in' intolerant, so get off yer high horse about tolerance. >Fred replies; >>No, Tommy, I ""admit"" that there are such things as 'market failures' >>which necessitate intervention by other than capitalist forces to >>correct. >I guess your understanding of this 'market failure' should be classified >under Phil's 'economics on the level of 19th century medicine', since you >apparently completely ignored that this 'market failure' can as easily, >or even much more easily, be attributed to ""government intervention >failure"". So, in addition to a strong moral argument against what you >propose, there is also a strong utilitarian argument, namely that gov's >destruction of wealth through confiscastory taxation and redistribution >on a major scale has made significant private capital investments harder >to make. I note that you make no such case as you claim can be 'even more easily made'. Yes, the argument can (and has) been made that current government policy creates even larger market barriers than there were in the first place, but there is no such term as 'government failure', since the government can change policies whenever it pleases. The market doesn't do that and is governed by (relatively) well-understood forces. This libertopican bilge about 'moral arguments' about taxation, etc., is, at bottom, so much simplistic economic thinking. It can only be 'justified' by cliche derision of anyone who knows more about economics than the libertopian -- which is what invariably happens. Tripe a la Tommy, the new libertopian dish. >>Get a clue, little boy, and go salve your wounded pride in my not >>considering you infallible in some other fashion. I'm not interested >>in your ego games. >Puh-leese, Fred. This, besides being simply an attempt to be insulting, >really belongs on private mail. If 'ego-games' are so unimportatnt to >you, why the insults and this strange negative attatchment for me? Wherever do you get this inflated idea of your own importance? -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 2236,13,"From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) Subject: Re: Smoker's Lungs Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.161858.12132 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? > Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take > a considerable amount of time for that to happen? Seems to me that I read in either a recent NY Times Science Times or maybe it was Science News that there is evidence that ex-smoker's risk of lung cancer never returns to that of a person who has never smoked (I think it may get close). I'll find the article and post it since my memory is hazy on the specifics - if you are interested. Michael " 2237,14,"From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 7 In my last post I referred to Michael Adams as ""Nick."" Completely my error; Nick Adams was a film and TV actor from the '50's and early '60's (remember Johnny Yuma, The Rebel?). He was from my part of the country, and Michael's email address of ""nmsca[...]"" probably helped confuse things in my mind. Purely user headspace error on my part. Sorry. Doug Loss " 2238,0,"From: jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: >P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of ""shatim"" also >applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella >of the ""fasad"" ruling. Please define the words ""shatim"" and ""fasad"" before you use them again. /---- John David Munch ------------------ jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu ----\ |...."" the heart can change, be full of hate, or love. If people are allowed| |to base their lives through their hearts, anything can happen. A dangerous | |situation, in my opinion."" -Bobby Mozumder describing problems with atheism| " 2239,9,"From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) Subject: Re: Dopson Pitches First Shutout; Red Sox Win 6-0 Organization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute Lines: 18 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes: [deleted] > Someone told me this game started at 10:05 cdt. Is this true??/ Who >in their right mind would go to a game on monday at 11AM???? Keep in mind this was in Massachussetts. Today was Patriots Day, a state holiday. I think it might be a floating holiday, but given that the Marathon also happens the same day, most people don't go in. -- #include Dan S. " 2240,13,"From: hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) Subject: re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame) Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility Lines: 21 Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. Phenylalanine is nothing for you to worry about. It is an amino acid, and everyone uses small quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body. Some people have a disease known as phenylketoneurea, and they are missing the enzyme necessary to degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body. For them, it will accumulate in the body, and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve cells. Therefore, it is Only a major problem in young children (until around age 10 or so) or women who are pregnant and have this disorder. It used to be a leading cause of brain damage in infants, but now it can be easily detected at birth, and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine as a child, or when pregnant. -heather " 2241,6,"From: ac999135@umbc.edu (ac999135) Subject: *** WANTED: Cheap Used GAMEBOY/TG-16 Games *** Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: ac999135 The title says it all...If you have some cheap used GAMEBOY or TG-16 (2 Player or more) Games, Please email me all offers... Rohit " 2242,13,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Exercise and Migraine Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr15.224049.15516 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr15.163133.25634@ntmtv> janet@ntmtv.com (Janet Jakstys) writes: >This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise. >I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder >what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?). >I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into >shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this? I've gotten migraines after exercise, though for me it seems to be related to exercising without having eaten recently. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 2243,6,"From: scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu (Keith Frederick) Subject: GRE & GRE Economics Test Books for SALE Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Summary: GRE,GRE Economics Test Books for SALE GRE Test Aids for Sale --------------------------------- Cliffs GRE Preparation Guide, (c). 1992 3 full length practive tests w/ answers and explanations Also includes test-taking strategies. By the same people who do Cliffs Notes. ---- $5 GRE Economics Test by the Research and Education Association Revised 1990 edition. Includes 6 full length exams with detailed explanations and solutions to each question. 648 pages! ---- $10 Practicing to take the GRE Economics Test by ETS. Includes an official full-length GRE Economics Test from 1985-1986 and aswers included but no explanations. ---- $4 Practicing to take the GRE General Test-No. 8 by ETS. Includes three official GRE General Tests from 1989-1990 (w/ answers but no explanations) and one additional GRE General Test complete with explanations to answers. ---- $8 Shipping is $1 extra. Buy everything for $25 and I cover the shipping. ________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Keith R. Frederick | Happiness is our moral purpose. | | (206)285-1576 | If you see Dr. Fu Manchu, Kill Him! | | scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu | Reason is our only absolute. | | I'm not a number, I'm a free man!|-------------------------------------| | CIS: 73760,3521 UWID: 8722277 | ::: Cornell here I come!!! ::: | |__________________________________|_____________________________________| " 2244,0,"Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 28 In article bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread >that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can >be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. There is no need >for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is >no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by >physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is >determnined. This posts contains too many fallacies to respond too. 1) The abolishment of divinity requires the elimination of freewill. You have not shown this. You have not even attempted to. However, the existance of an Omniscience being does eliminate freewill in mortals.* * Posted over five months ago. No one has been able to refute it, nor give any reasonable reasons against it. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 2245,11,"From: ld231782@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Nntp-Posting-Host: dolores.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 123 I'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal assault on emerging American freedoms. The Clinton administration nor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever in regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating `acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we should rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious proposal. Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration receive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure. I am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology to restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures. The U.S. government will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any serious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone with an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this proposal. The administration does not seem to understand that they are merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the public, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is wholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty. >While encryption >technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the >unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used >by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. It seems to me that U.S. Diplomatic communications should be tappable by the U.N. whenever any countries produce a warrant to the U.N. In fact, I think we should stop paying the NSA billions of dollars a year to produce unbreakable codes for this reason. These actions violate the sovereignity of international law. (I hope Mr. Clinton is shrewd enough to recognize my sarcasm and satire here. But if he isn't, it's a modest and reasonable proposal, so he should find merit with it nevertheless.) Cryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong cryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen, housewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable equilibrium. Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian arrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and guaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent impracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom. >For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our >private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the >tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of >protecting Americans. For too long our government has demonstrated itself to be increasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality and protecting Americans. >Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important >role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act >quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding >its use. The Administration is committed to policies that >protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting >them from those who break the law. It is not possible for the Federal Government to ``act quickly'' or develop ``consistent, comprehensive policies'' PERIOD. And even if by some grandiose miracle such a thing were possible, it would only be an efficient way to deprive American citizens of fundamental and inalienable rights. The administration has to be committed to leaving private industries alone, esp. on this issue. The government has no legitimate role in regulating the content of communications. Law enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their surveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be disarmed of it. >Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological > solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be > willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more > powerful encryption devices? No such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent to a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate. This kind of extortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will trade threats for threats, and violation for violation. > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have > effectively done); If the administration did say this, it would find itself impeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential, established, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy guarantees. The administration would have no legal standing whatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and criminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast segments of the population. > nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" The U.S., comprised of a vast majority of people fanatically committed to preserving their privacy in the face of an increasingly totalitarian government, is saying just that. Take your chips and give them to NSA employees as Christmas bonuses. We can run any algorithm on our computers we damn well please, and we will make any chips we please, and we will send any bit pattern over our data highways we please. And if you try to stop us, you will be gradually or abruptly dissolved into nothingness. [privacy vs. law enforcement] > There is a > false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is > an ""either-or"" proposition. This is an outright Dingaling Denning lie. The two aims of privacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally incompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise. Americans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology, to preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly been eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and *unrepresentative* government. -- ld231782@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU " 2246,7,"From: oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Georgia State University Distribution: usa Lines: 17 daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes: >> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next >> year with all new models. >Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and >acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not >the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class >leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 >turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of all models. I bought one for my wife. " 2247,7,"From: dougs@Ingres.COM (DOUG SCHNEYMAN) Subject: My two cars - Chevy Nova CL ('87) and Dodge 600 SE ('87) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Chevy Nova Dodge 600SE Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 29 As you can see, I have two 1987 cars, both worth about $3000 each. The problem is that maintenance costs on these two cars is running about $4000 per year and insurance $3000 per year. What am I doing wrong? Within the last two months, the follows costs have occured: Dodge 600 SE (Dodge's attempt at the American German car!) $1,000 - replace head gasket $300 - new radiator Chevy Nova CL (Chevy's attempt at a Japan import!) $500 - tune-up,oil change,valve gasket,middle exhaust pipe, misc. Note also that the Chevy Nova CL (1987) has only 70 horsepwer! Does anyone out there have a Chevy Nova with enough power to get up even a small hill without knocking? Is there something wrong with my car, I even use 93 octane gas! (I have consider going to 110 octane if I can find it!) Anyway, what are the best maintenance items to do-it-yourself, and what equipment is needed? Thanks, -Doug (2 car Doug from Wayne,NJ) " 2248,12,"From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) Subject: Re: 74ACT??? Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex Lines: 29 Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu Others said: # 74S Later modification of 74 for even higher speed, at some cost in # power consumption. Effectively obsolete; use 74F. # # 74LS Combination of 74L and 74S, for speed comparable to 74 with lower # power consumption. Best all-round TTL now, widest variety of # devices. # # 74F Fast as blazes, power not too bad. The clear choice for high # speed in TTL. Availability and prices generally good. I hate to disagree w/ a fellow as smart as Henry, but... A few years back, I worked on a project using lots of high-speed stuff. (My part was slow & parallel, whew.) The mild-mannered designer working on the fast (serial) stuff cussed & swore at 74F all the time. It was the Harry Reams of TTL. One ultra-tiny power line glitch, one hickup, one eyeblink across the board, and bang - the F had toggled/counted/whatevered. At times he swore it would count even without any 5 volt supply ;-} You can guess what the ""F"" stood for.... They would do anything to push S or work around it to avoid using F. I don't think I'd consider using F to replace S unless the consequences were *fully* understood....... -- A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 " 2249,3,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com >: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. >: >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local >: >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >: >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. First off, with all these huge software packages and files that they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit). Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT. At any rate, the deal is with Corel who makes (I hear) a good cohesive set of SCSI drivers. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 2250,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: IMPORTANT HOLLY SILVA INFORMATION Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1pkojmINNmuq@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes: > In a separate post over on soc.culture.usa she explicitly said that while > she cross-posts to t.p.g and sets follow-ups to there, she does not READ > talk.politics.guns. If you think about it, it's a clever way of keeping > some of the politer respondents who will edit their newsgoup line, or > properly use the follow-up: from being heard over there. It also makes it > easier for her to claim all she ever sees is ""squeaky weasels"". > So if you want her to see your insiteful analysis, e-mail it. If you > want to point out her flaws in public, make sure your newsgroup line > includes soc.culture.usa. To keep from flooding s.c.u, I e-mailed it. However, I agree that it's quite the sneaky trick. No more than I would expect, however. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 2251,3,"From: lepper@logopolis.mct.anl.gov (Matt Lepper 2-5950) Subject: Help with 3C503 and NCSA Telnet Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 8 Help! I'm trying to configure NCSA Telnet v2.3.05 to work with a 3C503 ethernet board. I can use FTP fine, but whenever I attempt to use Telnet, the machine hangs with a blank screen and a blinking green cursor. Any ideas? Please e-mail: lepper@maat.mct.anl.gov mjlepper@mtu.edu " 2252,6,"From: bradd@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Brad A Davis) Subject: For Sale: 386/25MHz motherboard (or system) with 8 megabytes Summary: 386DX/25 system w/8Mb for $475; motherboard alone for $325 Article-I.D.: pdxgate.7251 Distribution: or Organization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 30 I recently upgraded to a 486 and have found out I don't really have a need for my old 386. I'd prefer to sell just the motherboard and keep the case etc, so I'll offer the motherboard and case separately and let you decide. I'm asking $325 for the motherboard, which has: 25Mhz 386 DX (not SX) 8 megabytes of 32-bit, 70ns memory AMI BIOS based on C&T NEAT chipset (this means the motherboard and bus circuitry timings are programmable - the BIOS' advanced configuration menus let you select system, DMA, bus clock, wait states, command delays, etc.) ""baby AT"" sized - fits in mini-tower, full-sized or most any other case (Includes User's Guide and a copy of the BIOS reference manual) For $150 more you could have the rest of the system too: full-size AT case with 200(?) watt power supply 2 serial, 1 parallel, 1 game ports 20Mb hard disk 1.2Mb floppy disk keyboard video card (choice of VGA or ???) If you're interested, please give me a call. The system is set up at my house in Aloha, and you're welcome to come test drive it. Random drivel from the keyboard of: +---+ Brad Davis, NCD Inc, Beaverton OR | | Network Computing Devices bradd@pcx.ncd.com (503) 642-9927 |NCD| PC-XDivision (office)(503) 671-8431 +---+ " 2253,1,"From: jhwitten@cs.ruu.nl (Jurriaan Wittenberg) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 27 In <1993Apr18.230732.27804@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> ken@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes: >I am looking for some graphic images of earth shot from space. >( Preferably 24-bit color, but 256 color .gif's will do ). > >Anyways, if anyone knows an FTP site where I can find these, I'd greatly >appreciate it if you could pass the information on. Thanks. > > Try FTP-ing at pub-info.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) (simple dir-structure) and ames.arc.nasa.gov at /pub/SPACE/GIF and /pub/SPACE/JPEG sorry only 8 bits gifs and jpegs :-( great piccy's though (try the *x.gif files they're semi-huge gif89a files) ^^-watch out gif89a dead ahead!!! Good-luck (good software to be found out-there too) Jurriaan JHWITTEN@CS.RUU.NL -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |----=|=-<- - - - - - JHWITTEN@CS.RUU.NL- - - - - - - - - - - - ->-=|=----| |----=|=-<-Jurriaan Wittenberg- - -Department of ComputerScience->-=|=----| |____/|\_________Utrecht_________________The Netherlands___________/|\____| " 2254,2,"From: clintp@world.std.com (Clinton a Pierce) Subject: Need help setting PIF for games Summary: Can't seem to get the settings right for a few things Keywords: WINDOWS PIF Organization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Westwood MA Lines: 29 HI there! I have a few games that I'd like to run under Windows 3.1 and can't get the PIFS adjusted right. For example Wing Commander. In my DOS Prompt, I have more than 620K available for programs. This is enough to run WC. So I build a PIF giving WC a couple of megs of extended memory etc.. and run it. WC prompts: ""Loading Wing Commander..."" and then a message about ""Using extended memory..."" etc... and then my screen goes black (just before the opening scene-the orchestra-would have appeared.) I also have a pool game that does almost the same thing. It opens up and prompts me for what kind of video driver I have. (CGA, EGA, etc...) I respond EGA and the screen goes black. On both of these a ctrl-alt-del getss me back to Windows. Has ANYONE run Wing Commander under Windows? Or has had the problems I describe and fixed them? HEre's the rest of my setup: 400MB Disk Free 8MB memory ~5 free during WIN session 386DX-25 Respond here or on E-Mail. If anyone else needs this info, send me mail in a couple of days, and I'll forward the replies to you. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clinton A. Pierce | Cartesian Bear = Polar Bear after coordinate transform clintp@world.std.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2255,14,"From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr20.020259.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >I think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be ""classes"" >such as the following: > >Large Corp. >Small Corp/Company (based on reported earnings?) >Large Government (GNP and such) >Small Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?) >Large Organization (Planetary Society? and such?) >Small Organization (Alot of small orgs..) Whatabout, Schools, Universities, Rich Individuals (around 250 people in the UK have more than 10 million dollars each). I reecieved mail from people who claimed they might get a person into space for $500 per pound. Send a skinny person into space and split the rest of the money among the ground crew! > >The organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ?? > >Of course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ?? >Basically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class >winners.. >More fair? > >There would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events, >umpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want >to risk thier own lives let them do it?). > Agreed. I volunteer for any UK attempts. But one clause: No launch methods which are clearly dangerous to the environment (ours or someone else's). No usage of materials from areas of planetary importance. >Any other ideas?? Yes: We should *do* this rather than talk about it. Lobby people! The major problem with the space programmes is all talk/paperwork and no action! >== >Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked > > -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" " 2256,7,"From: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: MR2 parts Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 4 Does anyone know of a dead first generation MR2? I need body parts, steering rack, and a few minor pieces. I was about to buy a parts car, but the owner backed out after 3 month of pulling my leg. ARRRRgh. Mike.S " 2257,6,"From: steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Steve Glicker) Subject: 2 1000W Power Supplies Nntp-Posting-Host: rooster Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin Distribution: misc Lines: 14 Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (SM10 series). 1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC) Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr.fail, high/low margin, and current monitor. (The list price from LH Research is $824.00 each for qty. 1-9) Asking $500.00 for the pair. Steve Glicker Austin, Texas (steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu) " 2258,2,"From: jeroeng@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Jeroen Gremmen) Subject: Re: DOS 6 vfintd.386 and Windows sys.ini Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.stack.urc.tue.nl X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Peter P. Lei (lei@rtsg.mot.com) wrote: : : Does anyone know what the vfintd.386 device is used for in windows 3.1? : It's under the [386enh] section as : device=c:\dos\vfintd.386 : I know Norton Desktop for Windows includes this file and its help file mentioned something about floppy-disk access. Jeroen -- ======================================================================== J.C.A. Gremmen Email: jeroeng@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl Gildelaan 34 Phone: 04255-3411 (No modem or fax pleez!) 5081 PH Hilvarenbeek " 2259,2,"From: kolodzie@uni-duesseldorf.de (Stefan Kolodzie) Subject: WINWORD and QUATTRO-PRO-Problems on a notebook Organization: Psychologisches Institut I, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.99.100.6 Hello, I have a 386sx25 notebook with windows 3.1 running fine. WINWORD 2.0 and QUATTRO-PRO for windows also work fine when no virtual memory is used. Switching on the virtual memory option these programs (probably others too) don't work, the system crashes. The same programs work well with arbitrary virtual memory on two other desktop PC's. What am I doing wrong? If you can help, please mail to me directly, if possible. Thank you very much in advance. Stefan /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Stefan K. Kolodzie Heinrich-Heine-University | | Institute for General Psychology Duesseldorf, Germany | | e-mail: kolodzie@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de | \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 2260,8,"From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler) Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) Keywords: Zephyr stock forks BAD. Mushy. Dive. Article-I.D.: jethro.1psrdn$g3r Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM Distribution: world Organization: SunConnect Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.eng.sun.com In article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: >By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550 >engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension >and frame is more modern. the fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think. i don't know about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability. the forks are crappy, they dive like MAD. i had progressive springs installed and it made a huge difference. cheap fix, MUCH improvement. elef " 2261,11,"Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys? From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland Lines: 17 In <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes: >What are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms? >I know DES is 56 bits (""tripple DES"" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is >there anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere >that has larger keys? I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily >large keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere? My MDC cipher (which uses any one-way hash function as a CFB-mode stream cipher, the current implementation uses MD5) uses a key of up to 2048 bits (that is, you can use a 1-bit key if you want and copy it over the entire 2048-bit range, or you can use the entire 2048 bits). Runtime is independant of key size, the system runs slightly slower than MD5 itself. I presume RC2 and RC4 use a similar system (or possibly they just hash an arbitrary-length key down to n bits, maybe 128, using something like MD5). Peter. " 2262,3,"From: dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen) Subject: Re: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 33 tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes: >In article im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) writes: >>What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific >>to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell >>chipset itself? >There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much >expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem >which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much >oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it >from someone else. Someone Else, could you please comment on that. I have just bought a Twincom 14.4DFi, which has a Rockwell chipset. It wasn't cheap so I would like to hear of problems I'm likely to run into. >However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the >Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. >This is because the MPU used ""speed buffering"" instead of having a >16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts >are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking >conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the ""speed buffering"" >works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial >port board. Phew, I was lucky! The Twincom internal version has a 550A and one of the Rockwell chips is marked RC144DP. But still I would like to hear more of the above mentioned firmware problems. Niels " 2263,2,"From: gedwards@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Gordon Edwards) Subject: Re: protection fault Keywords: fault Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Distribution: na Lines: 40 In thia@sce.carleton.ca (Yong Thia) writes: >Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me. >I have an error message that goes: > > > >What does it mean? > >I am running MS windows 3.1. Ummm.. I think you left the message out... I get these protection faults all the time on my machine at work, a 486 33MHz with 4MB RAM, Windows 3.1, with Dos 5.0. At home (on a 386 40MHz, 8MB RAM, Windows 3.1 and Dos 5.0) I *never* get these. Any idea what could be wrong? Someone already suggested I check for tmp files in the windows/temp directory, there are none there. The message I get is: This application has violated system integrity due to an invalid general protection fault and will be terminated. I only have this problem with applications running in DOS boxes (with or without .pif files setup for them). Any hints/help greatly appreciated. Please post since at least one other person is also having gpf problems. Thanks, Gordon -- ============================================================================= Gordon Edwards, N4VPH | ""Nothing Unreal Exists"" NCR Engineering & Manufacturing | gedwards@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com | Kiri-Kin-Tha's First Law of Metaphysics " 2264,14,"From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) Subject: Stereo Pix of planets? Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 5 Can anyone tell me where I might find stereo images of planetary and planetary satellite surfaces? GIFs preferred, but any will do. I'm especially interested in stereos of the surfaces of Phobos, Deimos, Mars and the Moon (in that order). Thanks. " 2265,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 18 In article <93108.020701TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> Andrew Newell writes: >>In article <93106.155002JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >>>YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE >>>PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!! >> >>readers of the group. How convenient that he doesn't have a real name... >>Let's start up the letters to the sysadmin, shall we? > >His real name is Jeremy Scott Noonan. >vmoper@psuvm.psu.edu should have at least some authority, >or at least know who to email. > POSTMAST@PSUVM.BITNET respectively P_RFOWLES or P_WVERITY (the sys admins) at the same node are probably a better idea than the operator. Benedikt " 2266,3,"From: pallis@server.uwindsor.ca (PALLIS DIMITRIOS ) Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor Lines: 9 well people, I can only recomend the non-flat-screen, no-hype, no-nonsense NEC 3DS that I have, and PLUS, it has the ADVANTAGE of NOT having one of those new flat screen tubes which are oversensitive and fragile and break often! this is a 15'' heavy-duty rugged set for those who insist on well-proven reliable technologies! jim " 2267,11,"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 27 rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes: >>I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the >>proposed wiretap (or ""Clipper"") chip is a cost-effective tool for >>police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government >>intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to >>investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry, >>and their customers, to support this wiretap technology? >>[...] >First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing >policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? >[...] >Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go >do useful work for the society. Whew! Take it easy on the guy. Maybe he's going to do this in his spare time. Maybe he's going to do this to see how much a wiretap *really* costs. Maybe he's going to do this so he can add to the opposition to Clipper. I don't know fully why he might do this, but maybe we shouldn't start flaming at the drop of a hat. -- <><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> < Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > < -- Leo Tolstoy > <><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><> " 2268,6,"From: jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jarryl B. Ritchie) Subject: For Sale: Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike w/Dura Ace 56 cm Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 12 Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike 56 cm Bright Blue Color Dura Ace 8 speed not STI, could be easily converted though. 32 spoke wheelset, clinchers. Complete Bike $700 or best offer. All offers will be considered this bike has to go. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Will consider parting out, write for details. jay ritchie jbr1@ra.msstate.edu " 2269,18,"From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri >tes: > >> >>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! >> > >A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid >is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as >me how, I just have seen the results. > >Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in >the head. > I'll answer you're sarcasm with more sarcasm: Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from being screwed up in the head, given that example! (Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal drugs and who IS NOT ""screwed up"" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice THIS to THAT!). -- _______ Steve Thomas steveth@rossinc.com " 2270,14,"From: semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Emmett) Subject: Moscow Aviation Institute summer school Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 103 I have attached a copy of an announcement I picked up during my trip to Moscow last week. I have several friends at the Moscow Aviation Institute who have asked me to post this announcement. (I have done some editing, but the contents is unchanged from the original announcement.) For those of you not familiar with the Moscow Aviation Institute, it is the leading Russian school of higher education dedicated to the training of aircraft and spacecraft designers. It specializes in airframe design, powerplant design, control systems, and power systems. Virtually all of the major former Soviet airframe designers (Tupolev, Su, Iluchine, Migoyan, etc.) were schooled at MAI. I had the opportunity to tour the two museums that are maintained at MAI. The aircraft include Mig23, Su 27, Yak 38, the cockpit of an F-111(!), among others. It was a fascinating and eye opening experience, expecially given the fact that the museum was, until a year or so ago, closed to virtually everyone. I also had the opportunity to see some of the experiments being conducted with plasma drive engines for future space craft use. If you have any questions about the Institute, or the program, I would be glad to try and answer them. The institute, and most of it's faculty have e-mail addresses. However, it takes about a day or so for the receiver to get the message. They are still a bit antiquated - but they are rapidly changing! Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ps please send any questions you have for me via e-mail. George Mason university has about a 2 week (!) delay in news feed delivery. ------------------------------------------------------------------- MOSCOW INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SCHOOL The aviation school ""Poljot"" (meaning Flight) is organized by the the Moscow Aviation Institute, the prominent Russian Center of airspace education and the foreign trade firm Poljot, well known in various parts of the world for their quartz and mechanical wrist watches. The course of studies will last only 50 days, but during this time you will have the unique opportunity: - to listen to intensive courses on the main aviation disciplines, the history and theory of techniques, and design of airplanes; - to visit and get acquainted with the world known Russian aviation firms - TU, MiG, Yak, Il and Su; - to meet and have discussions with famous aviation scientists, engineers and pilots; - to visit the most interesting museums of unique aviation techniques which were closed for many years to the public; - to see the International Airspace Show which will take place in Moscow from 31 August through 3 September 1993; - to visit famous art museums, historical and architectural monuments, theatres and concert halls; - to take part in sport competitions and have a great time with new friends. The Director of the school is Mr. Oleg Samelovich, a well known Russian scientist, professor, general designer and the Chief of the Airplanes Design Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute. Mr. Samelovich is one of the designers of the the Su-24, Su-25, and Su-27 The lectures are given in English, using a multi-media concept. The students are provided with all the necessary text books and literature. After the full course of studies are completed, the student will receive a special certificate of graduation. The cost of studies, including hotel, meals, excursions, theatres, etc is $3500. To apply for admission, send your application to: 109147 Moscow Marksistskaja 34 Foreign Trade Firm ""Poljot"" 274 00 13 (phone) 274 00 22 (FAX) 411989 POLEX SU (telex) In your application, include your full name, address, date and place of birth. In addition, include complete passport information, as well as a description of your education. Upon receipt of this information, ""Poljot"" will immediately forward to you an official invitation for obtaining a Russian entrance visa as well as details on payment. Should you require additional information, please do not hesitate to contact us. (signed) O. Samelovich ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ CSI/Physics, George Mason University " 2271,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Now along comes Mr Keith Schneider and says ""Here is an ""objective >moral system"". And then I start to ask him about the definitions >that this ""objective"" system depends on, and, predictably, the whole >thing falls apart. It only falls apart if you attempt to apply it. This doesn't mean that an objective system can't exist. It just means that one cannot be implemented. keith " 2272,10,From: maX Subject: Only test message Distribution: world Organization: Home Reply-To: maX@maxim.rinaco.msk.su Keywords: test Lines: 2 It's only test message. 2273,12,"From: DRAMALECKI@ELECTRICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (David Malecki) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Lines: 40 Organization: University of Waterloo In article jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes: >My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they >need a lot of power? etc., etc. I've seen them in surplus stores. All they are are fluorescent bulbs without the phosphor, and a UV transparent bulb (special glass). I've also seen incandescent versions that you screw into an ordinary 120VAC socket, probably not what you want. > >I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave >(but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both). > >One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV >light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone >know what he was referring to? As far as I know, near UV (as opposed to far-UV) is longwave UV (near the visible spectrum). Longwave UV is safer as far as accidental (I hope) exposure to the eyes. As far as fluorescent minerals go (the reason a friend has a UV lamp), some only respond to only one of short or long UV. Hope this helps. Dave. > >Thanks much. > > >-- >John Hawkinson >jhawk@panix.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Who I am: David Malecki | | Who you think I am: dramalecki@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2274,12,"From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 6 These circuits abound in most electronic project books. If you're more inclined to buy something, try Radio Shack. I think they still have a device that is designed to disconnect an answering machine when an extension line is lifted. It has LED indicators also. --kyler " 2275,16,"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is >>next? The Mormons or Jews? > >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) >... Let's see if I have this straight. A law is created that says ""you can not have a automatic weapon"" and therefore it's ok for the government to use any level of force to enforce that law. Doesn't matter if the entire population of the planet is destroyed as long as that law is obeyed. Do I read you correctly? " 2276,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Galileo Update - 04/22/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 84 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Galileo, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director GALILEO MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT POST-LAUNCH April 16 - 22, 1993 SPACECRAFT 1. On April 19, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer (MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly. 2. On April 19, a Command Detector Unit Signal-to-Noise Ratio (CDUSNR) test and a Radio Frequency Subsystem Automatic Gain Control (RFSAGC) test were performed using the LGA-1 (Low Gain Antenna #1) over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna) and DSS-61 (Madrid 34 meter antenna), respectively. Data analysis is in process. These tests are periodically performed to provide detailed information relative to the telecom command hardware integrity. 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. 4. On April 21, the first of two suppressed carrier/DSN (Deep Space Network) advanced receiver characterization tests was performed over DSS-14 (Goldstone 70 meter antenna). The spacecraft modulation index was varied from 43 degrees to 90 degrees for a range of ground receiver bandwidth settings. 5. The AC bus imbalance measurement has not exhibited significant change (greater than 25 DN) throughout this period but the DC bus imbalance measurement has. The AC measurement reads 20 DN (4.5 volts). The DC measurement has ranged from 43 DN (4.6 volts) to 138 DN (16.2 volts) and currently reads 138 DN (16.2 volts). These measurements are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team. 6. The Spacecraft status as of April 22, 1993, is as follows: a) System Power Margin - 68 watts b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 21 degrees off-sun (lagging) and 5 degrees off-earth (leading) e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1 f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within acceptable range g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS, EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within acceptable range j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours Time To Initiation - 184 hours TRAJECTORY As of noon Thursday, April 22, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory status was as follows: Distance from Earth 169,747,800 km (1.14 AU) Distance from Sun 286,967,900 km (1.92 AU) Heliocentric Speed 91,200 km per hour Distance from Jupiter 532,735,900 km Round Trip Light Time 18 minutes, 58 seconds SPECIAL TOPIC 1. As of April 22, 1993, a total of 70185 real-time commands have been transmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 65077 were initiated in the sequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process. In the past week, one real time command was transmitted: one was initiated in the sequence design process and none initiated in the real time command process. The only command activity was a command to reset the command loss timer. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 2277,2,"From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) Subject: Gatewaying Microsoft Mail/Workgroups via 9600 modem? Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Our student association runs a small Novell network which has a subnetwork of Windows for Workgroups and Microsoft Mail. The Director of Finance, en electrical engineering student, would like to gateway this system, either via SLIP or not, into the University's network and thus the Internet, at the very least to exchange e-mail, but possibly also to do ftp's etc. For now, this would be done via a 9600 bps modem. He would like to set it up so that it would periodically call in to check mail, but would otherwise connect whenever needed. What is the best way to do this? Gatewaying software is available, but what works best? Please reply to me: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca or the D of F : dleung@ee.ubc.ca with a cc: to the other. I don't read all of these groups regularly, so mail is best. If this is a common question, please pot me to a FAQ or ftp site. :=:=> Derek K. Miller dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca Researcher, Alma Mater Society thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca University of British Columbia, Canada Room 230B - 6138 SUB Blvd., Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z1 Campus Mail Zone 1 phone (604) 822-6868 fax (604) 822-9019 " 2278,9,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: White Sox Update <1993Apr11.213102.4954@midway.uchicago.edu> Lines: 9 i think lamont is tryin sax out in left because he is messing with his mind. he is trying to stir loose the mental block that he has had. sax was supposed to play in left last night (4-14) but we were rained out. it's not like we need to add any more outfielders to our team. it's mental jimmy go sox, cubs suck! (that's the white sox, dontcha know?) " 2279,8,"From: SHICKLEY@VM.TEMPLE.EDU Subject: For Sale (sigh) Organization: Temple University Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 FOR SALE (RELUCTANTLY) ---- Classic Bike ----- 1972 YAMAHA XS-2 650 TWIN <6000 Original miles. Always stored inside. 1979 front end with aftermarket tapered steering head bearings. Racer's supply rear bronze swingarm bushings, Tsubaki chain, Pirrhana 1/4 fairing with headlight cutout, one-up Carrera racing seat, superbike bars, velo stacks on twin carbs. Also have original seat. Tank is original cherry/white paint with no scratches, dents or dings. Needs a new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded. I was in process of making Kenney Roberts TT replica/ cafe racer when graduate school, marriage, child precluded further effort. Wife would love me to unload it. It does need re-assembly, but I think everything is there. I'll also throw in manuals, receipts, and a collection of XS650 Society newsletters and relevant mag articles. Great fun, CLASSIC bike with over 2K invested. Will consider reasonable offers. ___________________________________________________________________________ Timothy J. Shickley, Ph.D. Director, Neurourology Departments of Urology and Anatomy/Cell Biology Temple University School of Medicine 3400 North Broad St. Philadelphia, PA 19140 (voice/data) 215-221-8966; (voice) 21-221-4567; (fax) 21-221-4565 INTERNET: shickley@vm.temple.edu BITNET: shickley@templevm.bitnet ICBM: 39 57 08N 75 09 51W _________________________________________________________________________ w " 2280,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: Re: 1993 NHL Draft Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.184627.4585@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: >As for the picks >Ottawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will >go #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec. IMO I would >take Kariya. He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in >the World Championships. Daigle didn't show this for his junior team. > >San Jose will then get Kariya. > >Tampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a > defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong) The last name is Niedermayer, as in New Jersey's Scott's last name, because (you guessed it) they are brothers. But Rob Niedermayer is a center, not a defenseman. I am not sure that the Sharks will take Kariya. They aren't saying much, but they apparently like Niedermayer and Victor Kozlov, along with Kariya. Chris Pronger's name has also been mentioned. My guess is that they'll take Niedermayer. They may take Pronger, except that they already have too many defensive prospects. =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 2281,2,"From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ) Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 21 Where can I find the MS windows version of ghostscript? Thanks.. In article , hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.i l (Harvey J. Stein) writes: >I've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied >with it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386 >version, and a windows version. > >Harvey Stein >hjstein@math.huji.ac.il > -- ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** _m_ _ 0___ \ _/\__ |/ \ /| " 2282,12,"From: kn1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kimball Ng) Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: kn1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kimball Ng) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes: >One other thing... there are bubblejets, and then there are BubbleJets. >There are a few bubblejets out there that produce rather mediocre output >(such as HP's dinky little BubbleJet), whereas most produce really good >looking output (such as HP's DeskJets). IBM and Canon both produce some of >the really good style bubblejets. >P.S. -- If you're in the market for a portable bubblejet printer, I can >highly recommend the HP Portable DeskJet, although I've heard the portable >Canons are good too (I needed PCL support, myself). With the DeskJet >Portable, you even get an undocumented PCMCIA card slot! I second that suggestion. Although I don't own the HP Portable Deskjet, I *do* own the HP Deskjet 500. It gives the nicest outputs, with only a minor loss of quality. For all intensive purposes (papers, letters, resumes), I treat my Deskjet like a laser printer (You *do* have to look a bit closely to see the blurs in the characters). Only one grudge, the ink that HP gives you does smudge rather quickly in the presence of moisture (Even though the ink is waterproof). However, you would have to spend about $500 more for laser quality. The cannon bubblejets are nice, however they don't seem to have as much support (eg: drivers for popular programs) as the HP ink-jets. Also HP Deskjet (regular,plus,500,500c) accepts xerox paper (I believe that the cut-sheet feeder is an option for the cannon bubblejet). If you don't mind refilling your printer with cheap ink (say fountain-pen ink), then the HP deskjets are *very* cheap to maintain (I paid $3.50 for my last bottle of ink and I expect it to last 9 months). -Kimball (who doesn't work for HP, but just loves his printer very much!) PS: I have a question for you netters, I'm too afraid to refill with the waterproof inks they sell in art-supply houses because I had brought a bottle of waterproof ink and it clogged up my cartridge. I wonder what is a 'good' waterproof ink (aside from buying refill-kits) to refill my cartridge? " 2283,7,"From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips) Subject: Re: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together! Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5 Lines: 8 Give out the address, I'll drive by and take a look myself, then post. -- Stephen Phillips Atlanta Response Center Atlanta, Ga. Home of the Braves! " 2284,11,"From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Beckman Software Engineering Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com Distribution: world X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5 Lines: 38 In article (sci.crypt), strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable > one: Make it voluntary. > > That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree > to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. > David, As an economist, I'm sure you can see the flaws in this logic. If the (naive) market is flooded with proprietary, but weak, encryption, then truly strong encryption will be unable to compete. Suppose the govt had a secret TV broadcast standard, and then sold TVs below cost. Private industry has a better standard, but it's not as widespread due to the govt early flooding of the market with cheap proprietary sets. Even though the industry's technology is better, the programming is being broadcast to the govt's unduplicatable standard. Who could compete? The other flaw, of course, is that making something voluntary today ensures that it will be voluntary in the future. I went to renew my CA drivers license last week and was required not only to give my SSN, but to PRODUCE AN SSN CARD to veryify the number! Note that a federal law once said that no state or local govt could ever require the use of SSNs for drivers license registration (specifically!). I do not trust the govt that says ""trust me on this even though we could have an arrangement that doesn't require your trust."" Something is big time fishy. If you look more carefully, you'll see it. -mel ________________________________________________________________________ | Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com | | Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 | | Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 | |______________________________|_______________________________________| ""You can observe a lot just by watching."" -Yogi Bera " 2285,5,"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Organization: The Internet Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of >> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a >> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are >> displayed one in each window? Use a GC with the subwindow_mode attribute set to IncludeInferiors. The default is ClipByChildren. However, beware if any of the children are of a different depth to the parent; the semantics of this are undefined by the protocol. Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. " 2286,0,"From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board Lines: 31 In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM writes: >Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable >posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the >subject ""Re: atheist too?"". That was article #473 here; your question >was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for >the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is >such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I >saved in the early days were articles from the following notables: > >>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) >>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) >>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) >>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry) >>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) >>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) > >An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is? Didn't you hear? His address has changed. He can be reached at the following address: dkoresh@branch.davidian.compound.waco.tx.us I think he was last seen posting to alt.messianic. Jim -- If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting, His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing " 2287,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 30 I had said: > Merlyn, you missed the point too. Christianity is a relationship. I have > a relationship with my God. I <> Him. > > Consider your mother Merlyn. You know your mother. What would you think > of me if I asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall, murdered your father, > and sexually abused you when you were a kid? Would you, who knows your > mother well, think was a blind arrogant idiot to proclaim such things? Merlyn LeRoy says: >This analogy is not good; for example, there are plenty of people who >""know"" god as well as you do, but don't agree on things like: > >1) how many children he/she has >2) whether he/she approves of polygamy >3) whether Mohammed was one of his/her prophets > >Now, if you AND all these other people who ABSOLUTELY KNOW what god is >like can't agree on basic attributes like these, at least one of you >who ""knows"" what this god-thing is like must be wrong; therefore, >subjective certainty is worthless regarding knowledge of this god. > >On the other hand, I don't know any large groups of people who claim >absolute knowledge of my mother and who disagree about her basic >attributes. This is the difference between real people and imaginary friends. Meryln, therefore by your logic, since your people disagree about the characteristics of your mother, you mother must be imaginary. " 2288,5,"From: altmann@PLEURO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU (Erik Altmann) Subject: Fwd: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR Original-To: bb-general@CS.CMU.EDU Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: cmu Lines: 21 --------- Forwarding begins here --------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Women's Center To: +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/women/dlists/happyhour-announce.dl@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR Enjoy good food and interesting company at the Progressives Happy Hour, Thursday 8 April, starting at 5:30pm at the Women's Center (located next to the laundromat in the Margaret Morrison Plaza). Kosher for Passover food will be served. All are welcome. (Good things to drink will be there, but paper cups won't. Please be progressive and bring a cup or mug with you.) Co-sponsored by the Student Government President and funded by the student activites fee. ----------- End of forwarding ----------- " 2289,12,"From: hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN) Subject: Laser vs Bubblejet? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 Well, I'm not too sure if this would be the right place to post this, but anyway, here goes: I was just noticing that some of the current bubblejet printers offers up to 360x360 resolution while a lot of lower end laser printers only offer 300x300. However, the laser printers still seems to be significantly pricier than the bubblejets... how is this? Or am I missing something about the resolution thing? -- -Sheng hl00@pl122.eecs.lehigh.edu hl00@m180k.cc.lehigh.edu hl00@lehigh.edu " 2290,5,"From: leon@dimatrix.DK (Leon Thrane) Subject: X Intrinsic mailing list Organization: The Internet Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu As we don't get a newsfeed I was wondering whether there was such a thing as a Xt mailing list (other than xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu). I would appreciate any info on this, (or X related mailing lists.) Thanks in advance, Leon +-------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Leon Thrane | Telephone: +45 - 45 93 51 00 | | DimatriX ApS | FAX: +45 - 45 93 51 11 | | Lyngby Hovedgade 15D | E-mail: leon@dimatrix.dk | | DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark | or ...!uunet!dimatrix.dk!leon | +-------------------------------+---------------------------------+ " 2291,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ""Brain abscess"" definition needed Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr8.123213.1@tardis.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov> fresa@tardis.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov writes: >Could someone please define a ""brain abscess"" for me? A relative has one near >his cerebellum. A brain abscess is an infection deep in the brain substance. It is hard to cure with antibiotics, since it gets walled off, and usually, it needs surgical drainage. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2292,11,"Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful From: yuan1@scws7.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) Distribution: inet Nntp-Posting-Host: scws7.harvard.edu Lines: 37 shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) writes: >It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications >would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future >probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I can even imagine this >being found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to >until a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained. >Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out >to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And >archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists, >radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to >get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center >bombers made in the past year. Imagine if this were available during the 1992 elections; instead of clumsily searching through the Clinton passport file, they could have just done a ""voice-grep"" (as someone stated earlier) on his telephone conversations for the last 10 years. I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on TV, but intuitively there's something wrong with having one's words archived for possible future use against you. This possibility frightens me more than any of the talk about the Clipper Chip, right to cryptography, etc. >Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why >wouldn't it happen? I'm afraid it just might. -nhy -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nina H. Yuan ""It's a miracle that curiosity Harvard College survives formal education."" yuan1@husc.harvard.edu - Albert Einstein " 2293,3,"From: estaucl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr I Coggins) Subject: Beyond 640K, Trident 8900, and lots more 8) Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: nutmeg.csv.warwick.ac.uk Keywords: Ram,Trident,Interrupts Hi, I have a few enquiries about PC's and compatibles in general.. Some software others hardware orientated.. (Probably the wrong newsgroup .... as everyone claims..) Anyway.. 1) Does any one happen to have the board jumper details for a Trident 8900 SVGA graphics card (1MB) or even what the dip switches do on the end.. Mine already works fine (albeit slow) and after having blown up a monitor I found out which switch controlled the interlace/non interlace facility.. But I'm curious as to why there are 8 dip switches on the card with apparantly little use.. 2) Secondly, does anyone know why Commodore had to be so crazed in their design of the PC-40 motherboard with respect to the RAM.. (IE 512 + 512 or 640 +0K) ?? 3) Can anyone supply pin details for the expansion ports for a pc (8 or 16 bit ) .. or even a sample circuit to cause an irq when a button is pressed... (Yeah I know its a piece of cake.. I'm lazy 8) 4) Software wise.. Anyone care to divulge some tips on accessing expanded RAM on a PC (from a program written in Turbo C++).... For instance, using farcoreleft() and coreleft() return only memory available from the base 640K regardless of combinations of EMM386 etc etc... What I want is to be able to use the RAM above and beyond the 1MB boundary... I'm not certain whether farmalloc / new actually uses it anyway but I'll suspect not .. 5) Also.. what half brained wit created DOS so as not to be re-entrant?????? As a follow on, does anyone have any comments about the use of DOS calls 0 to 0C from within a DOS interrupt? Ie will changing the stack size on entry be of use.. Two articles I've read on the subject have given conflicting views... Does anyone have any views on writing direct to screen memory in terms of portability? Many thanks.. Gotta go, bars closing soon 8) Cheers Ian " 2294,3,"Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings From: ARowatt@massey.ac.nz (A.J. Rowatt) Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c Lines: 17 They don't have a conflict because technically LPT1: does not use IRQ7!. The Parallel printer processor (the actual number escapes me) contains a printer control register which enables the chip to transmit an interrupt to the interrupt controller as IRQ7, then onto the main processor as Int 0x0F. By default the parallel printer processor does not enable it's interrupt line therefore no Int 0x0F's will be sourced from the printer controller chip, thus enabling other devices to use the actual IRQ7. Note, this applies to COM ports also which by default do not route interrupts to the system bus, although COM's software usually enable this feature as it make monitoring COM port activity easier than polling the serial UART, thus probably getting the sound card slighty confused!. Windows may be a different story.... " 2295,1,"From: S_BRAUN@IRAV19.ira.uka.de (Thomas Braun) Subject: sources for shading wanted Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: irav19.ira.uka.de X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.25 I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms. Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that. Thanks a lot! Thomas +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Braun, Universitaet Karlsruhe | | E-Mail : S_BRAUN@iravcl.ira.uka.de | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | \_\_\_\_\_ \_\_\_ Thomas Braun | | \_ \_ \_ University Karlsruhe, Germany | | \_ \_\_\_ email: | | \_ \_ \_ - S_Braun@iravcl.ira.uka.de | | \_ \_\_\_ - UKAY@dkauni2.bitnet | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2296,13,"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Organization: WINCO Lines: 19 In article <19607@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >>A recent movie, Lorenzo's Oil, offers a perfect example of what >>I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it, you should. It's not > >I saw it. It is almost a unique case in history. First, ALD >is a rare but fatal disease. [...] >Their accomplishment was significant. (Of course, it was overplayed >in the movie for dramatic effect. The oil is not curative, and doesn't even >prevent progression, only slows it.) There's a pretty good article in the the March 6, 1993 New Scientist titled ""Pouring cold water on Lorenzo's oil"". The article states that research has shown that the oil has no discernable effect on the progression of the disease in patients in which demyelination has begun. In patients with AMN (a less acute form of the same disease) there is some improvement seen in the ability of nerve fibres to conduct impulses. In ALD patients who have not yet begun demyelination, the jury is still out. ---Dale Cook " 2297,10,"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Lines: 20 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the franchise. Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal for the pick. Stephen Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca " 2298,5,"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? In-Reply-To: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de's message of 26 Apr 1993 17:54:12 GMT Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Lines: 21 | |Even 24Bit TrueColor machines are in most cases running an emulated |8 bit PseudoColor visual, only to get standard x clients, motif apps and |thelike to run. I strongly suppose you to emulate at least: | |> 24 Bit TrueColor. Should be no problem, only some translation. Rounding | should not make big misfits Depends on the nature of the ""rounding."" X allows the user to do bit arithmetic on pixel values, (i.e., XOR foreground and backgroun pixel values together to calculate a foreground color that when used with a function of GXxor fill change foreground to background and vice-versa). If your rounding does not preserve these types of calculations then clients that use them will break. Ken -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051 " 2299,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >So, you can't ride the bike, but you will drive truck home? The >judgement and motor skills needed to pilot a moto are not required in a >cage? This scares the sh*t out of me. > This is a piece of psychology its essential for any long term biker to understand. People do NOT think 'if I do this will someone else suffer?'. They assess things purely on' if I do this will I suffer?. This is a vital concept in bike-cage interaction. " 2300,12,"From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: na Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr14.181738.18472@bmers95.bnr.ca> alee@bmerh794.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes: > > In article <34263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> you write: > >VA, CT, Wash DC and I think BC Canada where I've heard they actually > >use Radar detector detectors. > > Nope, not in British Columbia. Detectors are legal here in BC, I've even > got one. > > In Alberta and Ontario they're illegal, and detection devices are sometimes > used. I've heard the police in Ontario prefer a much more direct method of > detection. Just trigger the radar gun, watch for people slamming on the > brakes, and search the car. > > > David Lee > leex@sfu.ca > Detectors are legal in Alberta, the old law was overturned a long time ago. -- Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 " 2301,5,"From: claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes) Subject: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc Nntp-Posting-Host: polaris.informatik.uni-essen.de Organization: Uni-Essen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 8 I have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard. Has anybody a Patch for X11R5? Thanks in advance Heinz-Josef Claes email: claes@tigger.turbo.uni-essen.de " 2302,11,"From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 21 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > > >Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal >less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no >secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can >eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and >cordless phones. > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. You believe that the feds offer the least threat to liberty of anyone, and I'm sure I do too. Glad that jerk won't be tapping my phone anymore. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2303,2,"From: jason@sigma.demon.co.uk (Jason Manger) Subject: Hhy won't my DOS apps run in a window?! Distribution: world Organization: Sigma Press Reply-To: jason@sigma.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19) Lines: 8 Can somebody help me out there? I have just purchased Win 3.1 and I just can't get DOS apps (text mode apps) to run in a window on their own. I've tried mucking around with the PIF settings etc, but to no avail. What am I doing wrong? (I didn't get this problem under v3.0). Thanks in advance ... Jason. " 2304,3,"From: schewe@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Schewe) Subject: $25.00 Network ??? Summary: What is it?? Keywords: network Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 8 I have heard that there is something called a $25.00 Network that allows two PC's to be networked by joining their serial ports. Does someone out there know anything about this? I would greatly appreciate e-mail on this! Thanks! tschewe@first.etc.bc.ca :wq " 2305,15,"From: simon@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Saint Story St. Aloysius Gonzaga Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 113 Heres a story of a Saint that people might like to read. I got it from a The Morning Star, and am posting it with the permission of the editor. Saint Aloysius Gonzaga The Patron of Youth The marquis Gonzaga had high aspirations for his son, the Prince Gonzage. He wanted him to become a famous, brave and honoured soldier. After all, he must carry on the great family name of Gonzaga. Of course, he was to become far more famous, brave and honoured than his father could ever have imagined; though not in the manner expected. Saint Aloysius' mother was a woman who received immense joy from praying to God and meditating on the divine mysteries and the life of Our Lord. She had little time for the pleasures of this life. As Saint Aloysius grew, he began to resemble his mother more than his father. Saint Aloysius had learned numerous expressions from his father's soldiers, but the moment he discovered that they were vulgar, he fainted from shock. This shows his immense hatred of sin (What an example for us of the contempt we must have for sin). About the time of his First Holy Communion (which he received from the Archbishop of Milan, Charles Borromeo, whom himself became a great Saint), he con-secrated his purity to God and asked the Blessed Virgin to protect his innocence for life. He wanted to share Our Lord's suffering to show his reciprocal love. He started by denying his passions; he avoided eating the finest foods, wearing the best clothes, and would put pieces of wood in his bed in order to mortify himself for the love of God. While he was in his early teens his father sent him (and his younger brother) to the court of the Spanish King, Phillip 11. Obediently, he set out to make the best of it. He mixed in well with the people of the royal court, for he was handsome, polite, intelligent and always had something interesting to say. Not long before this time, the great soldier-saint, Saint Igna- tius of Loyola, had founded the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) towards which Saint Aloysius -12- began to have a yearning. When he finally told his father, the marquis flew into a rage and forbade his son to become a priest. After a short time, his father sent him to the great cities in order that he be tempted away from the priesthood, but even through these trials, Saint Aloysius grew in his desire for the religious life and was strengthened in the virtue of purity. The Marquis' plans were obviously failing, so he con-fronted his son: ""Will you or will you not obey me and forget this foolish- ness?"" ""I will not, father,"" was the in-evitable reply. ""Then leave from my sight and don't return until you change your mind!"" With tears clouding his eyes, the Saint left the room to pray: ""Tell me Lord, what am I to do? Tell me! Tell me!"" He knelt down to flagellate himself as he had done several times before, but this time he was seen. The onlooker rushed to the marquis. This at last brought the proud man to his senses. ""The Lord wants him, the Lord can have him."" He gave his consent for his son to become a Jesuit. After some years (at the end of the sixteenth century), a terri- ble epidemic broke out in Rome. All the hospitals were full and could house no more, so the Jesuits opened their own. Saint Aloy- sius did all he could in the hospitals, particularly to prepare the dying for a holy death. Saint Aloysius himself contracted the plague from carrying and nursing the sick. For three months he lay with a burning fever and finally, on June 21st, 1591, he gave his soul to the Lord while gazing at a crucifix. Let us invoke Saint Aloysius as our patron and imitate him in his humility, purity and confidence in prayer. Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us. - Brendan Arthur Prayer is as necessary to a person consecrated to the service of others as a sword is to a soldier God Bless From Simon Lines: 106 -- /----------------------------------------------------------------|-------\ | Simon P. Shields Programmer Viva Cristo Rey !! ----|---- | | MONASH UNIVERSITY COLLEGE GIPPSLAND Ph:+61 51 226 357 .JHS. | | Switchback Rd. Churchill. Fax:+61 51 226 300 |\|/| | " 2306,17,"From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 This post has all the earmarks of a form program, where the user types in a nationality or ethnicity and it fills it in in certain places in the story. If this is true, I condemn it. If it's a fabrication, then the posters have horrible morals and should be despised by everyone on tpm who values truth. Jesse " 2307,7,"From: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino Tobio) Subject: Re: Quick Question Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.050302.13153 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Quick question Summary: Expires: Sender: Reply-To: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino Tobio) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Columbia University Keywords: Removing panels. In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: > How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside >on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want >to access its pins. > > I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit. > > > -S > ssave@ole.cdac.com Quick question. Why are you posting this to a VW newsgroup? Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Quick Question Summary: Distribution: world Organization: Columbia University Keywords: Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw Subject: Re: Quick question Summary: Expires: References: <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> Sender: Reply-To: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino Tobio) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Columbia University Keywords: Removing panels. In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: > How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside >on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want >to access its pins. > > I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit. > > > -S > ssave@ole.cdac.com Quick question. Why are you posting this to a VW newsgroup? Constantino Tobio, Jr. ** ct22@columbia.edu ** ""Tremble you weaklings, cower in fear, I am your ruler, land, sea and air. Immense in my girth, erect I stand tall, I'm a nuclear murderer. I am POLARIS!"" - Megadeth, ""Rust in Peace"" " 2308,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes: >Lets get this ""No Fault"" stuff straight, I lived in NJ >when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA >and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it >was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking >lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess >whose insurance pays for it ? give up ? YOURS. Only if you have a weeny insurance company. Unless it's some stupid PA law. I know that if some jerk hits me while I'm in a parking lot, if my insruance company doesn't sue his (or his doesn't immediately say, 'Yes, it's his fault') I'll sure him myself and tell my insurance company to go to hell if they raise my rates. -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 2309,16,"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 18 Re: More on Gun Buybacks The Denver buy back, trading guns for Denver Nuggets tickets was pretty much a bust. Very few guns were turned in. The news tried to hype it but when the best they could do was "".... including a loaded .38..."" well, you get the picture. A side note- the news also reported that the guns would be checked for whether or not they were stolen. STOLEN GUNS WILL BE RETURNED TO THEIR OWNERS!!!!! (They say) (Does this have anything to do with the rally on the Capital steps yesterday in support of the RKBA????) Even the rally made the 5 pm news on 3 channels :-) Ron Miller " 2310,6,"From: khiet@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu) Subject: WANTED: FUTON Keywords: WANTED: FUTON Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 5 I am looking for a large futon and frame. call Peter 495-2056 or e-mail me ""khiet@cn.ecn"" " 2311,18,"From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that > ^^^^^ >>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? >I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several different news groups, including something along the lines of alt.discrimination Look Rodney King is black and large. I have several large black male friends,and they are referred to as being large black men ( to their faces, and by themselves ). You know, Ted, I have a large number of adjectives for you, but I will spare you most of them because I try not to get into personal flame wars. Let me just say that I think your action of cross posting this was total BS, and you're trying to start some crap. Hopefully, others will see through your trite little game and not play along. " 2312,10,"From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) Subject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets? Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes: >The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets >to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would >it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets? There are ALWAYS scalpers with tickets outside the Arena. You might have to pay a few bucks extra, but you can always find them. Look on the street under the message board, or out on the street in front of the Hyatt, or even around Gate 1. The later you buy them, the less money you'll pay, and during the regular season you could usually find some for near face value or below if you wait until game time. Might be better to pick them up earlier now, though. rick " 2313,15,"From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) Subject: National Day of Prayer,5/6/93 Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 20 This is an annual time of prayer organized by the Focus on the Family organization. If you have not heard about it on your Christian radio station or at your local church, call them and they may be able to give you the information. Many cities in the San Francisco bay area have local coordinators organizing the time and the place to meet to pray. In San Francisco, Oakland, Berkeley, San Jose, people will be meeting at ~12:15pm at each city's City Hall. Last year, I attended at the Mountain View city hall. It was a very quiet and meaningful time of prayer. |-------------------| | Gary Chin | | Staff Engineer | | Sun Microsystems | | Mt. View, CA | | gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | |-------------------| " 2314,4,"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 40 dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes: >I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for >crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the >following (from 1st to 6th): > 486 68040 > 386 68030 > 286 68020 Not a good idea to compare processor power. Doesn't make sense for real world applications. At least not for totally different lines of processors. >While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: > 68060 > Pentium > PowerPC >And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the >overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: > 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz At least for x86 systems doubling the clock speed increases performance by about 70% . >Thanks very much. I'd appreciate hearing any further explanations >from any experienced folks out there, too! > >P.S. Folks have been having trouble replying to me lately with the ""reply"" > command. Try typing my address by hand and it should work. Thanks! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >DAVE KITABJIAN (kit-ahb'-jyin) Vital Statistics: stuff deleted >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. " 2315,5,"From: reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik) Subject: Correction on my last posting (GLX & lack of cous on Dialog Widget) Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory In-reply-to: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu's message of 22 Apr 93 18:22:55 CDT Lines: 13 On the code I sent, please replace the line: XtAddCallback(PopUpShell, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell); by XtAddCallback(Button, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell); --- The rest (and my question) remains the same... Dan " 2316,7,"From: kastle@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette) Subject: Re: ARCTIC WHEELS AUTO SHOW Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: bernoulli.wpi.edu -- : I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small : : OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just : : thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. : : Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering : " 2317,19,"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > (b) I am neither a Christian nor a theist, but I believe in objective > morality in preference to a relativist soup of gobbledegook. Well, there are two approaches we can take here. One is to ask you what this objective morality is, assuming it's not a secret. The other is to ask you what you think is wrong with relativism, so that we can correct your misconceptions :-) mathew " 2318,6,"From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) Subject: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale) Organization: Carleton University Lines: 14 In <1qvs59$knh@crl.crl.com> bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) writes: >Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling: List deleted.......... >PPS: Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster) Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190?? I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC. Thanks in advance...Colin. " 2319,3,"From: swh@capella.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold) Subject: Re: Need Info on Diamond Viper Video Card Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino Lines: 46 Experiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card Several problems: 1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB VRAM. 2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations: a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to be. b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK). 3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The Turbo Debugger display is all garbled. Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter ""R"". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn't have to do this. The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles the VGA mode. The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use another monitor in place of my usual one. I still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be remedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty). --- swh, 20apr93 " 2320,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 >because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the >Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation. > > >Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the >negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf >they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. > > >Phill Hallam-Baker Oh, why do you expose your ignorance? The US has been running on debt for the past four generations and has still financed what it pleases. And after the Gulf War, Israel could do whatever it wanted after not decimating Iraq after the Scud attacks. It was encouraged, but by no means forced, to negotiate. Mr. Baker, to address all of your points would be impossible, but in a nutshell, it is hypocritical for you to attack Israel's presence in Lebanon without attacking Syria. Syrian occupation has been hostile, and amounts to annexation. Israel's is clearly defensive. If it were not defensive, you would see all of Lebanon occupied, and governed by Israel. But that is not what Israel wants. Pete " 2321,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 37 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu / 6:26 am Apr 14, 1993 / > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. I suppose that depends on how you define 'vast' majority.... You are correct about 'majority.' Somewhere between 1 out of three and one out of 10 will at some period in their lives experience a violent assault. The risk is generally higher than emergency medical problems like heart attack and stroke. 'Vast' is probably too loose a term. With approximately 1,000,000 Americans using firearms each year, over a 30 year period we get (roughly, since some may have to do this more than once) 30 MILLION Americans with experience in using firearms for self defense. 30/250 yields 12 percent of the population. (Yes, I know that is a REAL rough estimate. We're closer to 270 million now, but many of these are minors and should be included etc, thus the percentage if anything is low.) At any rate, most minority groups in this range are not usually referred to as 'tiny' minorities, so I don't see how the other part of the group can be referred to as the 'vast' majority. A little more work might support a 'simple' majority of Americans never use, own or display a firearm. Certainly when you are talking about OWNERSHIP you are wrong. Nearly half of your fellow citizens own one or more firearms. > Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Please provide a list of other means that are as effective. Then you might convince your local police departments to switch. Good luck. Rick. " 2322,12,From: cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) Subject: EEG Kit? Nntp-Posting-Host: sauron.msfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA/MSFC X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 Lines: 9 Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get kits to build an EEG. Does anyone remember where you could get this. I'm very interested in getting some info on this. Thanks in advance. eric cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa 2323,11,"From: schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Lines: 13 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable >one: Make it voluntary. > >That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree >to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. > As long as ""you are on your own"" means that you can use your own encryption, I'm sold. Bruce " 2324,16,"From: paull@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Robert Paull) Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 17 Andy Freeman (andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : >NEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP : > : >San Fran. Independent San Fran. Examiner San Jose Mercury News : >1201 Evans Ave 110 5th St. 750 Ridder Park Dr. : >San Fran., CA 94124 San Fran., CA 94103 San Jose, CA 95190 : Hmmm, the SJ Merc. carries Targemasters West, National Shooting club, Reeds sportshop, Sportsmens supply and Big 5 ads. They all sell guns. No they don't have any adds like in Shotgun news. If they won't at least run the current adds I swear I'll cancel my subscription and end to cash to the CRPA. Rob P. " 2325,11,"From: jad@nsa.hp.com (John Dilley) Subject: compress | crypt foo | des -e -k foo Distribution: sci Lines: 12 Organization: Networked Systems Architecture I have a bunch of questions about the encryption scheme referenced in the Subject of this message. What is the relative data privacy provided by the above sequence as compared with straight DES? Does the addition of compression then encrypting make the cyphertext significantly harder to crack using current methods than straight DES? Would running crypt after DES provide greater data privacy? Is it important to remove the (constant) compress header before encryption? Thank you, net, for your wisdom. -- jad -- John A. Dilley " 2326,1,"From: ani@ms.uky.edu (Aniruddha B. Deglurkar) Subject: help: Splitting a trimming region along a mesh Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 28 Hi, I have a problem, I hope some of the 'gurus' can help me solve. Background of the problem: I have a rectangular mesh in the uv domain, i.e the mesh is a mapping of a 3d Bezier patch into 2d. The area in this domain which is inside a trimming loop had to be rendered. The trimming loop is a set of 2d Bezier curve segments. For the sake of notation: the mesh is made up of cells. My problem is this : The trimming area has to be split up into individual smaller cells bounded by the trimming curve segments. If a cell is wholly inside the area...then it is output as a whole , else it is trivially rejected. Does any body know how thiss can be done, or is there any algo. somewhere for doing this. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ani. -- To get irritated is human, to stay cool, divine. " 2327,10,"From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: nukta.astro.ubc.ca In article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: > >In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: > >>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). > >Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style >player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive >responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his >ice time. > >Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. >This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. > >Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than >Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty >sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When >you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident >that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. Brad -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brad K. Gibson INTERNET: gibson@geop.ubc.ca Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy #129-2219 Main Mall PHONE: (604)822-6722 University of British Columbia FAX: (604)822-6047 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada V6T 1Z4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2328,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re:xSoviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 174 In article <2BD220B1.22816@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >>>>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must >>>>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of >> >>>No! NO! no no no no no. It is not justifiable to right wrongs of >>>previous years. >Well, there is a bit: such as the German reparations to the jewish >survivors of the Holocaust. Certainly, as such an event goes further >into the past, reparations become less realistic. I was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the world. They were 'our' grandparents who were cold-bloodedly exterminated by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920, not yours. And you can always participate in 'The Turkish Genocide Day' along with millions of Turkish and Kurdish people on April 23, 1993 in the United States and Canada. ...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned justice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and... - We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render reparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed. - We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States that it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts the principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures to the contrary. - As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement protest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued coddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet Armenia. - We also demand that the United States return to the policies advocated by U.S. Ambassador Bristol and other enlightened statesmen, who have undertaken a just, human and benevolent attitude towards the rights of the Muslim people and the just resolution of their Case. - Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia's. And in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have blatantly lied: >The Goltz article was NOT published in the Sunday Times Magazine >on March 1, 1992, but in the Guardian Sunday Section. Well, still anxiously awaiting... CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh : ""Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."" Helen Womack The Independent, 2/29/92 Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families: ""The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees. The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive. 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving up people with their bayonets and knives.' A 45-year-old man who had been shot in the back said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened up on us and people were falling all around. My wife fell, then my child."" Thomas Goltz Sunday Times, 3/1/92 Armenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing: ""...about 1,000 of Khojaly's 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack. Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from the Khocaly area."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/2/92 Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan : ""Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off... 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/3/92 Massacre By Armenians Being Reported: ""The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre."" (Reuters) The New York Times, 3/3/92 Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova: ""Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting at them when they sought to recover the bodies."" Fred Hiatt The Washington Post, 3/3/92 Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre: ""A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children cradled in the women's arms. Several of them, including one small girl, had terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Karabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains: ""Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six or seven light tanks and armoured carriers. 'We thought they would just bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat. But they attacked, and our defence force couldn't do anything against their tanks.' Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their way through the mountains to safety. 'For two days we crawled most of the way to avoid gunfire,' Sukru Aslanov said. His daughter was killed in the battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Corpses Litter Hills in Karabagh: ""As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post..."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/4/92 ""Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of 120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from recovering more bodies."" The Wall Street Journal, 3/4/92 Exiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh: ""Withdrawal halted; Armenians Blamed... More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of widespread civilian deaths and mutilation... One woman's feet appeared to have been bound..."" Paul Quinn-Judge The Boston Globe, 3/4/92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2329,3,"From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) Subject: HELP! Installing second IDE drive Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: azathoth.sura.net Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number but I can find out.) Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). The only thing I can think of is maybe I'm doing the cabling wrong. I've tried several combinations: controller - master - slave controller - slave - master master - controller - slave None of them worked. Unfortunately, I can't think of any others. Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for ""C: drive"" and ""D: drive"" setup info rather than ""drive 1"" and ""drive 2"" like most others I've seen. Could this be confusing things? So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost! Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! -- ----------------------- William Barnes SURAnet Operations wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me. " 2330,7,"From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hasit Mehta) Subject: New '94 Talon????? Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Lines: 12 In article: Is there such a thing as the new '94 Eagle Talon? I heard from a freind that the new '94 Talons have been released? Is this true and if so what are the differences between the '93 and '94? Any opinions? I would appreciate any replies and I would also prefer E-mail, thanks! -- Hasit S. Mehta **************************** University of Rochester * PRIMUS SUCKS! * hm002b@UHURA.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU **************************** ______""I do believe in Captain Crunch, for I am the frizzle fry""______ " 2331,5,"From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de In article <930419000332.60e01d81@TGV.COM>, mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes: |> # |> # I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I |> # recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group |> # near death? |> # |> |> Seen from the mailing list side, I'm getting about the right amount of |> traffic. And seen from my point of view, I get far too much articles to keep up with them. I am lucky if I can scan through the subjects from time to time. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund " 2332,5,"From: wilk@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Christian Wilk) Subject: XtShellStrings,XtStrings? Originator: wilk@kiss.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 19 Hello, does somebody know the functions XtShellStrings and XtStrings? I haven't found them in any librarys not Xm, Xt, nor X11, and I need them to install a tool. Any hints greatly appreciated! Please reply via e-mail. Thanks in advance! _______________________________________________________________________________ christian wilk I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. technical university of munich Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. munich, germany I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost wilk@informatik.tu-muenchen.de in time - like tears in rain. Time to die. -- Roy Batty _______________________________________________________________________________ " 2333,5,"From: nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan) Subject: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment? Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research X-Posted-From: nova.ctr.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 12 Hi, has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in HP X/motif that perform the same function. any help is appreciated. nui chan nchan@ctr.columbia.edu " 2334,10,"From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) Subject: Hockey on TV in the Bay area, NOT! Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Lines: 9 Hi all, I don't get the sport's channel and I'm desparate for some playoff action (especially the Cannucks). Does anyone know of a sports bar on the Bay Peninsula that will be showing hockey games. I'm looking for something between redwood City and Mountain View. Thanks a lot, Greg " 2335,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: While Armenians destroyed all the Moslem villages in the plain... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 48 In article <1pol62INNa5u@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> kvdoel@cs.ubc.ca (Kees van den Doel) writes: >>See, you are a pathological liar. >You got a crack in your record I think. This is the point we seem to disagree about. Not a chance. >I keep seeing that line over and over. That's pathetic, even for >Serdar Argic! Well, ""Arromdian"" of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle is a compulsive liar. Now try dealing with the rest of what I wrote. U.S. Ambassador Bristol: Source: ""U.S. Library of Congress:"" 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence Container #34. ""While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to govern or handle other races under their power."" A Kurdish scholar: Source: Hassan Arfa, ""The Kurds,"" (London, 1968), pp. 25-26. ""When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer. These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in the eastern vilayets of Turkey."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2336,11,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 52 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no >flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior >corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. >I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if >they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to >attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and >governments to break. >I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about >the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly >satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). >I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap >doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined >the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. >I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some >Swiss or anybody Japanese. A lot of us out here in the hinderland will trust the Japanese before we'll trust the NSA, the President, or those stupid Fortune 50 companies you're so proud of. >This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would >feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude >that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as >one very famous CEO put it to me one day. >Just some perspective from another point of view. And since the Japanese corps aren't part of our ""government/governors"" they may be more trusted out htere than you are. People are getting tired of this ""be patriotic, do whatever we say without question, and pay more taxes"" attitude that comes from America's political party... or should that be caste? >-- >David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of > our information, errors and omissions excepted. -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 2337,14,"From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" Organization: University of Houston Lines: 160 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes... >In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: > >>I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single >>line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as >>wrap at this university. > >Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions >of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and >non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much >of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors. >The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and >even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL >charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA >commercialization centers; they charge a fee. > You totally forgot the original post that you posted Allen. In that post you stated that the ""wrap"" was on top of and in addition to any overhead. Geez in this post you finally admit that this is not true. >Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack >experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand >the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack >of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it >is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't >a flame, jsut a statement. Come your little ol buns down here and you will find out who is doing what and who is working on integration. This is simply an ad hominum attack and you know it. > >Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do. > Of course there is a fee. It is for administration. Geez Allen any organization has costs but there is a heck of a difference in legitimate costs, such as libraries and other things that must be there to support a program and ""wrap"" as you originally stated it.You stated that wrap was on top of all of the overhead which a couple of sentences down you say is not true. Which is it Allen? >>>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >>>costing people how much fee they add to a project. > >>I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that >>any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. > >Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in >their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can >change depending on the customer. > As you have posted on this subject Allen, you state that wrap is over and above overhead and is a seperate charge. You admit here that this is wrong. Nasa has a line item budget every year. I have seen it Allen. Get some numbers from that detailed NASA budget and dig out the wrap numbers and then howl to high heaven about it. Until you do that you are barking in the wind. >>No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee >>of the Overhead capital of NASA. > >Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead. > >>Nothing that Reston does could not be dont >>better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. > Integration could be done better at the centers. Apollo integration was done here at Msfc and that did not turn out so bad. The philosophy of Reston is totally wrong Allen. There you have a bunch of people who are completely removed from the work that they are trying to oversee. There is no way that will ever work. It has never worked in any large scale project that it was ever tried on. Could you imagine a Reston like set up for Apollo? >Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When >WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where >doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the >only place you would find people actually interested in solving the >problems and building a station. > Oh you are full of it Allen on this one. I agree that JSC screwed up big. They should be responsible for that screw up and the people that caused it replaced. To make a stupid statement like that just shows how deep your bias goes. Come to MSFC for a couple of weeks and you will find out just how wrong you really are. Maybe not, people like you believe exactly what they want to believe no matter what the facts are contrary to it. >>Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is >>at a place where everything is overhead. > >When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that >integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part >of a successful large scale effort. > I agree that integration is the single most important part of a successful large scale effort. What I completly disagree with is seperating that integration function from the people that are doing the work. It is called leadership Allen. That is what made Apollo work. Final responsibility for the success of Apollo was held by less than 50 people. That is leadership and responsibility. There is neither when you have any organization set up as Reston is. You could take the same people and move them to JSC or MSFC and they could do a much better job. Why did it take a year for Reston to finally say something about the problem? If they were on site and part of the process then the problem would have never gotten out of hand in the first place. There is one heck of a lot I do not know Allen, but one thing I do know is that for a project to be successful you must have leadership. I remember all of the turn over at Reston that kept SSF program in shambles for years do you? It is lack of responsibility and leadership that is the programs problem. Lack of leadership from the White House, Congress and at Reston. Nasa is only a symptom of a greater national problem. You are so narrowly focused in your efforts that you do not see this. >>Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally >>demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being >>selective with the facts again. > >The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on >Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers >you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address >the problems until the press published the story. > >Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address >the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns? > No, I am saying that if they were located at JSC it never would have happened in the first place. >>If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost >>of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your >>""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it >>for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a >>blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. > >You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for >resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying >is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport. > >>Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going >>to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to >>do so. > >I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of >Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed. > I have the time to reitereate one more timet that if the leadership that is at reston was on site at JSC the problem never would have happened, totally ignoring the lack of leadership of congress. This many headed hydra that has grown up at NASA is the true problem of the Agency and to try to change the question to suit you and your bias is only indicative of your position. Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville " 2338,6,"From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal) Subject: Novell 2.0a/3.11 Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida Lines: 10 I have a novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11 for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except the ID card. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charles Paschal - Total Support Computer Systems - Tampa - (813) 876-5990 UUCP: paschal@tscs FAX: (813) 871-2783 US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida 33684-5395 " 2339,5,"From: tne@world.std.com (Thomas N Erickson) Subject: Re: TeleUse, UIM/X, and C++ Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 20 hubec@ctp.com (Hubert Chou) writes: >Does anyone have any good ideas on how to integrate C++ code elegantly >with TeleUse, UIM/X / Interface Architect generated code? >Source would be great, but any suggestions are welcome. Alsys has produced a paper outlining how to use C++ with TeleUSE. You can get a copy from your local sales rep or call us at (619)457-2700. As mentioned, it is very straight forward using the Dialog language (similar to Visual Basic). -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Erickson Alsys tne@world.std.com 67 South Bedford Street Burlington, MA 01803 " 2340,2,"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Re: Fall Comdex '93 Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 20 DLS128@psuvm.psu.edu wrote: : Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was : asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available. Or, could : anyone point me in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated. It's in Las Vegas (as always) between November 16th and 20th. For more information contact: The Interface Group 300 First Avenue Needham, MA 02194-2722 Sorry, no phone number available. Consult directory service in Massachusetts for the number (617, 508 or 413). -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * " 2341,5,"From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott) Subject: XDM/xsession woes Keywords: xdm, xterm Lines: 22 Reply-To: dnh@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd. X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-3 I've just managed to get xdm running from an NCR 3000 (an SVR4 486 box running XFree86 1.2) to my NCD XDisplay. It's pretty much working, but I'm encountering a weird error. I'm attempting to start an xterm from my .xsession file, but nothing happens. Redirecting stderr to a file using 'exec 2>$HOME/.xerrors' in .xsession reveals the error message: ""xterm: Error 14, errno 1: Not owner"" Now, if I start xterm from the window manager, or from the command line, it works fine. And starting other clients, like the window manager (mwm), and a clock, from my .xsession also works. Anyone encountered this? Suggestions? aTdHvAaNnKcSe -- Des Herriott, / As a wise man once said, Micro Focus, Newbury. / +44 (0635) 565354 / ""It takes a lot of brains to be smart, dnh@mfltd.co.uk / but it takes some neck to be a giraffe."" " 2342,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5 Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr21.130259.3773@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: >Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX/X11R5?? > xdtm is working looking at, as is ftptool. There really isn't anything of any quality that I've seen though, and I'm seriously considering writing one on my own. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 2343,3,"From: ehung@ampex.com (Eric Hung) Subject: Re: HELP! Installing second IDE drive Nntp-Posting-Host: dct3 Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA Lines: 37 > >>Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into >>two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for ""C: drive"" and ""D: >>drive"" setup info rather than ""drive 1"" and ""drive 2"" like most others >>I've seen. Could this be confusing things? > >>So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some >>info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper >>about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one >>of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so >>it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost! > >>Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have >>two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! >>-- >>----------------------- >>William Barnes SURAnet Operations >>wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax >>Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me. >I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you >perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system >up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I >have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back >everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the >scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also. > >Bill Willis > If you bought your IDE drive from a dealer, you shouldn 't have to perform a low level format. Even if the 1st HD is already partitioned into C and D, FDISK will automatically assign the 2 nd HD to D and change the 2nd partition of 1st drive to E. Check the jumper settings and CMOS setup, in particular the correct number of cylinders and tracks " 2344,8,"From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Lines: 22 Sender: Reply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) Distribution: Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization Keywords: >>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but >>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money >>: down a rathole. >>let my current membership lapse when it's >>up for renewal. >In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any >hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. (And >preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.) Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships. " 2345,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 44 amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >> >>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky >>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including >>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? >> >>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery >>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe >>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians >>in a military bunker. >> >>Ed. >Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you >are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you >are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The >bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is >very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only >policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in >the middle east! What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation' been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and make Israeli policy for them! >I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all suffer. It's too bad that civilians get killed but I will blame their Arab leaders who put them in positions of danger before I will blame the Israelis. Just like Palestinians who send their children into warzones to throw rocks at armed Israeli soldiers. What irresponsible parents! As Golda Meir said, peace will only come when the Arabs start loving their children more than they hate the Jews. Ed. " 2346,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 13 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) says: >Well, it depends how you look at it. If you are interested I might >find out what the latest status is in this legal battle. >Kent > Please do! And if you don't want to post it here, email to me :-) I don't know how this discussion is appreciated here. I hate 'invading' newsgroups with themes of limited interest :-) Tony " 2347,5,"From: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Richardson) Subject: Now available: xvertext.4.0 Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 25 Now available: xvertext 4.0 -------------- Summary ------- xvertext provides you with four functions to draw strings at any angle in an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text). Rotation is still achieved using XImages, but the notion of rotating a whole font first has been dropped. What's new? ----------- I've added a cache which keeps a copy of previously rotated strings - thus speeding up redraws. Where can I get it? ------------------- comp.sources.x (soon...) export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.4.0.shar.Z (now) -- Alan Richardson, * ""You don't have to be * School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise"" * Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest***** UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk " 2348,15,"From: jonh@david.wheaton.edu (Jonathan Hayward) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Wheaton College, IL Lines: 46 In article by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes: >I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already, >but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the >environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into >pantheism? Yes. (I am adamantly an environmentalist. I will not use styrofoam table service. Please keep that in mind as you read this post - I do not wish to attack environmentalism) A half truth is at least as dangerous as a complete lie. A complete lie will rarely be readily accepted, while a half truth (the lie subtly hidden) is more powerfully offered by one who masquerades as an angel of light. Satan has (for some people) loosened the grip on treating the earth as something other than God's intricate handiwork, something other than that on which the health of future generations is based. It is being treated with respect. You think he's going to happily leave it at that? No. When one error is rejected, it is his style to push people to the opposite error. Therefore the earth is not God's intricate handiwork, not because it is rubbish, but because it is God. Mother earth is the one you are to primarily love and serve. I see two facets of a response to it: 1: Care for the environment. Treat it with proper respect, both because it is God's intricate handiwork and the health of future generation, and because showing the facet of one who is disregardful of such things does not constitute what the Apostle Paul called ""becoming all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some."" Don't say ""Forget the environment, I've got important things to spend my time on."" - putting your foot in your mouth in this manner will destroy your credibility in expressing the things that _are_ more important. 2: Show that it is not the ultimate entity, that it is creature and not creator. Show that its beauty and glory points to a greater beauty and glory. Show that it is not the ultimate tapestry, but one of many cords woven in the infinite tapestry. ################################################################################ # ""God, give me mountains # ""But the greatest # Jonathan Hayward # # to climb and the # of these is love."" # Jonathan_Hayward@wheaton.edu # # strength for climbing."" # I Corinthians 13:13 # jhayward@imsa.edu # ################################################################################ " 2349,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 32 In <1pp6reINNonl@phantom.gatech.edu> matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes: >In article <841@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: >> Well this pretty much says it. I have gotten alot of replys to this >>and it looks like oil is only on Earth. So if those greedy little oil companys >>who obviously don't give **** about it uses up all the oil then that leaves us >>high a dry. >Greedy little oil companies? Don't blame them; oil companies just supply the >demand created by you, me, and just about everyone else on the planet. If we >run out, its all our faults. He also ignores a few other things. While organics would become significantly more expensive were all the oil to disappear (and thus some things would no longer be economically feasible), oil is hardly an irreplaceable resource any more than most other consumables. As supply decreases, prices rise and alternatives become more competetive. He also needs to consider that there has been an estimated 30 years of reserves pretty much as long as anyone has cared about petroleum; whatever the current usage rate is, we always seem to have about a 30 year reserve that we know about. [I'm not sure that last figure is still true -- we tend not to look as hard when prices are comparatively cheap -- but it was certainly true during hte 'oil crisis' days of the 70's.] -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 2350,6,From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho) Subject: 24-pin Printer Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 9 TOSHIBA P321SL -track/friction feeds -LCD display -3.5 months old -like new -sample print-out sheet (GEOWORKS) available -EMULASER (a 2-month old program by VERTISOFT makes print-out look like an inkjet print-out) -$175 firm. 2351,16,"From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Keywords: Nata thing !! Nntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu Reply-To: Matthew Hamilton Organization: Kent State University CS Lines: 68 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, > but here goes: > > Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > > CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all > the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The > lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear > gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. > ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that > the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit > napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > > THIS IS MURDER! > > ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > > I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see > it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was > still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left > alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. > > I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! > > God help us all. > > > PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! > > > W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. Flame on!! Is this guy serious???? If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). Any ways one of Koresh's DEVOTED followers that DID I REPEAT DID survive this ""GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE"". Besides there are nine survivors in the burn-unit of the local hospital and was reported that David was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan. Besides, a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of, this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp). Also someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended) Flame off "" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight, fight me!!"" -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | | CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | | Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2352,15,"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 17 In article gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And > we die. I agree we need sleep & etc, but I disagree we are _just_ animals. That statement is a categorical negative; it's like saying there are _no_ polkadoted elephants. It may be true but one would have to be omniscient to know for sure. ------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Steele In coming to understand anything MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they 244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. 617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis " 2353,2,"From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Organization: CWRU School of Medicine Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: >What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? >I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access >our token ring (results in invalid class error :( While I do not speak for Peter Tattam, I am fairly sure he is planning a Winsock compliant version. While this will definitely not make the initial public release of WinTrumpet, it will follow on shortly thereafter. Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent product, with several features beyond the DOS version. WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300 CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544 " 2354,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >>If I kill this person [an innocent person convicted of murder], >>then a murder would be committed, but I would not be the murderer. At least, >>I wouldn't ""reasonably"" be considered a murderer, with ""reasonable"" being >>introduced as a fudge factor necessary to account for the inability to be >>totally objective due to a lack of absolutely true information. >If society collective decides to carry the burden of executing >it's citizens, then it also carries the blame for their innocent >blood. Each and every voter who casts a ballot in favor of >capital punishment is in part guilty of the murder of each and >every innocent victim of the system. Why are only those people in favor of the system to blame. If society accepts such a system, then each member of society is to blame when an innocent person gets executed. Those that are not in favor should work to convince others. And, most members of our society have accepted the blame--they've considered the risk to be acceptable. Similarly, every person who drives must accept the blame for fatal traffic accidents. This is something that is surely going to happen when so many people are driving. It is all a question of what risk is acceptable. It is much more likely that an innocent person will be killed driving than it is that one will be executed. keith " 2355,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Distribution: na Lines: 99 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no > flames, please. It is incompetent, like almost anything you have posted here, so you'll be flamed, sorry. > It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior > corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. %/$( your ""20 years of background in two Fortune 50 companies""; I've lived 30 years under a totalitarian regime, and boy, I *can* recognize a totalitarian plot when I see one... > I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if > they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to I am sure that -you- would be happy to use anything ""they"" tell you is secure; we're talking about the intelligent people here... Or the criminal ones, if you don't like the previous sentence... :-) Or those who don't want their privacy to be guaranteed to be invadable by the government - any current and future government, mind you... > I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about > the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly > satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). Even if you ignore the nonsense of the above statement for a moment, and even if you are happy with such system and the current escrow agencies NOW, what guarantees that you'll be happy with them TOMORROW, when the government changes? Or when the current government throws away the sheep skin? All the sheep who are reasoning like you will get caught by surprise, but it will be too late, because then cryptography that is not guaranteed to be breakable by the government will already have been outlawed... After all, you've already got privacy that is said to be breakable only by the law enforcement agencies, so if you are law-abiding, you have no reasons to use a stronger one, right? So, if you are using a stronger one, you have something to hide from the law enforcement agencies, right? Something unlawful, right? Therefore, strong crypto is a clear idndication that you are doing something unlawful. > I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap Considering the level of competence in cryptology that you have demonstrated in your messages, you would trust just anything... And no, this is not an ad hominem attack; it's an attack against the contents of your messages . > doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined > the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. And how do you know that these experts are not corrupted? And how do you know that they will not make a mistake? And how do you know that the version of the algorithm they will be let to examine is the same as the one that will be really used? Regarding the mistake - even the few information ""they"" have let out has revealed a serious security hole in the protocol - the 80-bit key is split in two 40-bit ones, thus the whole system is easily breakable, if you have only one of the keys. > I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some > Swiss or anybody Japanese. The Swiss or the Japanese are motivated by simple greed; NSA is motivated by their wish to control the people. That's why the drug dealers have their accounts in Swiss banks, instead of in American ones. For some reason, they do trust the Swiss banks more... Guess they'll trust the Swiss encryption more too... I see IDEA becoming suddenly popular... :-) > This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would > feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude > that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as > one very famous CEO put it to me one day. It's not surprising at all, but not because of the reason you give. It's because it is obvious that the US government has put a lot of money behind this program and it will support it. Thus, most corporations will try to get their piece from the pie by supporting it too. The same good old greed. Strong encryption is not widely available now not because of some plot, but because the companies don't see much money in it. It will be available even less, if the companies can see any penalties associated with it... > Just some perspective from another point of view. Yeah, just as I predicted, you are here again, to support the new system. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 2356,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.184204.26184 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 24 This morning a truck that had been within my sight (and I within his) for about 3 miles suddenly forgot that I existed and pulled over right on me -- my front wheel was about even with the back edge of his front passenger door as I was accelerating past him. It was trivial enough for me to tap the brakes and slide behind him as he slewed over (with no signal, of course) on top of me, with my little horn blaring (damn, I need Fiamms!), but the satisfaction of being aware of my surroundings and thus surviving was not enough, especially when I later pulled up alongside the bastard and he made no apologetic wave or anything. Is there some way that I can memorize the license plate of an offending vehicle and get the name and address of the owner? I'm not going to firebomb houses or anything, I'd just like to write a consciousness-raising letter or two. I think that it would be good for BDI cagers to know that We Know Where They Live. Maybe they'd use 4 or 5 brain cells while driving instead of the usual 3. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 2357,13,"From: u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Arythmia Lines: 11 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology I don't know if anyone knows about this topic: electrical heart failure. One of my friends has had to go to the doctor because he had chest pains. The Doc said it was Arythmia. So he had to go to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated. His doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused cancer ( that he was taking). Well, I suggested that he run, excersize and eat more, ( he is very skinny) but he says that has nothing to do with it. Does anyone know what causes arythmia and how it can be treated? Thanks " 2358,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings will win Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 24 In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > >I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >I have ever seen in hockey, I'm not as impressed with his abilities as >a bench coach or in general as a motivator. With the amount of talent he >has on this team, he should have blown away everyone in the Norris. There >is not another team in the Norris, maybe even in the Campbell conference, >that can hold a candle to Detroit on paper in terms of pure talent. But, >some guys have not been pulling their weight at times this year. Scotty >Bowman, on the other hand, who has won (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) >nine (9) stanley cups, is an outstanding coach, and I think he could >outcoach Murray if they faced each other. > Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... that would hardly rank him as the best GM. Wasn't Primeau, Murray's first decision as GM... Gerald " 2359,0,"From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Subject: Idle questions for fellow atheists Organization: Macalester College Lines: 26 I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population. It is rather a ridiculous question in some ways, I know, but my newsreader is down so I am not getting any new postings for a bit, so I figure I might as well post something new myself. Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it expresses its own selfishness. Idle thoughts... Adam ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * ******************************************************************************** " 2360,2,"From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Borland/Microsoft Database C Libraries Reply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 4 Could you post a description of ObjectBase, your chosen product. Thanks " 2361,14,"From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 21 victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: >Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan? > >All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at >drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's >orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info. >Does anyone know anything more specific? >(Yes, this happened LONG before Star Trek and is apparently where they >got the reference for the ""guy with the ears"".) Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact. Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit. -Mike " 2362,12,"From: jvannes@vms.macc.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 26 In article , wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes... > BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest, >6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company >name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power, >mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a >1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals. >If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the >pertinent info. > You are probably referring to the products of Opto Diode Corp. 750 Mitchell Road Newbury Park Ca 91320 805 499-0335 The make some amazing IRLED's. The really high-powered devices are arrays of 3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header. The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle. I think these are designed as illuminators for IR vision systems. I would also be interested in the application here. I work with a Dance and Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot wide stage from 50 feet away. " 2363,9,"From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) Subject: Re: Kevin Rogers Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 14 >/ hpcc01:rec.sport.baseball / pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu / 12:23 pm Apr 14, 1993 / > >What's up with Kevin Rogers of San Francisco?? I thought he was slated to be >the fifth starter, but he's only gotten a few relief appearences. Are they >going with four starters for now, or is someone else the fifth? > > Thanks, > P. Tierney >---------- > Giant's have a five man rotation of John Burkett, Trevor Wilson, Bill Swift, Jeff Brantley, and Bud Black/Dave Burba. Black has been put on the 15 day disables and Dave Burba will take his starts. " 2364,12,"From: eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ed Byrnes) Subject: Getting rid of screen wiggles? Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI. Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu My monitor display has a bad case of the wigglies. I have a good ground. I live in an old house and I have replaced much of the wiring. I have two EMI filters on the computer, the monitor plugs into the computer. When fluorescent lights are on upstairs, the display jiggles, when motors run in the house, the display jiggles, when incandescent lights are on in the kitchen the display jiggles. I could bring a separate line from the breaker box, and use it only for the computer, would this do it? EMI doesn't only travel the 110 volt line though. Should I shield the back of the monitor? Ground a grid or plate? Your expertise is appreciated. Thanks very much! Ed Byrnes -- *---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---* | Ed Byrnes FAX: 313-651-7392 eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu | | Kensington Academy & Oakland University Rochester, MI North America | *---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---* " 2365,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 52 In article <1qibs0$flk@vela.acs.oakland.edu> awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.225910.14964@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: i]>>Since there was no sniper fire, doing nothing was equally effective, >>as was yelling ""stop that"". Of course, if one wants to credit the >>tanks with stopping non-existent sniper fire, we might was well credit >>it with stopping an invasion by Martians. >> >>See ""Firearms, Violence and Civil Disorders"" (from SRI) and ""Sniping >>Incidents - A New Pattern of Violence"" (from Brandeis University's >>Lemberg Center for the Study of Violence). > >>>>There was precisely ONE >>>>verified sniper in the 67 riots, a drunk firing a pistol out a window. > >Actually, there was only one confirmed sniper to >die< in Detroit, >according to Sauter & Hines, _Nightmare in Detroit, A Rebellion & It's What sources did Sauter and Hines use? In Congressional hearings later, the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely wrong. (Some of their excuses are understandable, while others amount to gross negligence. Then there's their ""we lied"".) As far as I know, they never did the followup. >>So? People other than snipers can shoot firemen. If they are, >>shooting at ""snipers"" can't help. Blowing big holes in buildings that >>don't contain ""sniper nests"" or worrying about travelling ""sniper >>squads"" is a complete waste of time. > >Interesting. Just curious, they do you believe that tanks did blow >big holes in buildings in Detroit 67? I don't have any relevant knowledge about the counter-sniper tactics or what the govt did with the big war toys. That's why I've only commented on what they couldn't have accomplished, no matter what they did. >>Nope - the ""sniper"" fire was coming from other police/guard positions. > >The guard certainly needed to learn. But I don't agree with the >idea that there were no snipers at all. From p. 121 of Sauter & Hines: > > ""Despite the force of the National Guard in alliance with the >Army troops, the snipers did not stop. The snipers boldly lay siege to the >Fifth Precent police station and took pot shots at the Seventh. Firemen >were under constant harassment from snipers fired from half-closed >darkened windows in high apartment buildings and from roof-tops."" Not in Detroit, not during the 60s. That's newspaper copy and they admitted later that they were wrong. -andy -- " 2366,12,"From: lgardi@uwovax.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Organization: University of Western Ont, London Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr20.183416.18744@dres.dnd.ca>, sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes: > > -- > > I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an > IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in > daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward > 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. > > I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give > information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the > angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), > possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp > current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I > would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. > > Has anyone done something like this? > Why don't you just run one LED at 60 KHz and use a flip flop at the receiving end to divide by 2 and give you a good square 30KHz signal. Just a thought. LORI > Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca > (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 -- <<>> Lori Gardi (519) 661-2111 ext 8695 Dept. of Astronomy, lgardi@uwovax.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario London, ON, CANADA, N6A 3K7 " 2367,7,"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 18 In article bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes: >I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been >mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the >left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer >button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure >out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what? Ford tried that also, back in 1983. My 1983 Ranger Pickup had the horn at the end of the turn-signal stalk, instead of in the center of the wheel where God intended it to be. :-) I drove two different cars then (the other an 1984 Camry), and never did get used to pushing the turn-signal stalk to blow the horn. The only time I got it right was when I was getting the annual state-required safety inspection! Not one of Ford's better ideas. -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time! " 2368,2,"From: wynapse@indirect.com (Dave Campbell - WynApse) Subject: Re: .GIF to .BMP Distribution: usa Organization: Internet Direct Inc. -- (602) 274-0100 Lines: 28 saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky) writes: >Does anybody have any idea where I could find a program that can >convert a .GIF image into a .BMP image suitable for a Windows >wallpaper (i.e. 256 colors). Hopefully there's something out there >I can get from an ftp site somewhere... >Thanks in advance... >Scott Scott -- look on ftp.cica.indiana.edu for gws.....zip. They embed the release number in the name, and I'm not sure what the lates is. It is Graphics Workshop. There is a DOS and a Windows version. Both work Great. I even had someone bring me some images from the Amiga, and converted them to great looking wallpaper as 256-color .BMP files If you can't find it, repost, or let me know, and I'll dig up the archive. dave -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dave Campbell | WynApse WynApse | wynapse@indirect.com | The Shareware Custom Control Source " 2369,10,"From: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Subject: Stop predicting Originator: cdkaupan@c00544-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 10 It is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the Net. Who really cares who you think will win? Please stop with the predictions, we all know the Caps are going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. David Kaupang cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu " 2370,19,"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 91 In article <1993Apr15.012537.26867@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, sharpe@nmesis.enet.dec.com (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes: > >In article , rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes: >|> >|>In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >|> >|>[earlier dialogue deleted] >|> >|>>|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating >|>>|> to questions of science. >|> >|>[it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells] >|> >|>> There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is >|>> based on more than science alone. >|> >|>Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle >|>why and who. >|> > >Rich, I am curious as to why you and others award custody of the baby to >theists and religion? I hope I didn't award custody, Rich. I purposely used ""handle"" in order to avoid doing so - i.e., that happens to be what religions do (of course there are aberrations like ""scientific"" creationism). I used ""best"" in part to indicate that science currently has a time of it with why and who, so these domains are mostly ignored. I also attempted to be brief, which no doubt confused the matter. As an aside, for science I should have written ""how and when"". Nobody seems to argue over what. >Are they [theists, theologians] any better equiped to investigate the ""who and >why"" than magicians, astrologers, housewives [not being sexists], athiests or >agnostics. Seems to me that the answer would vary from individual to individual. I'm not trying to be evasive on this, but from a societal perspective, religion works. On the other hand, sometimes it is abused and misused, and many suffer, which you know. But the net result seems positive, this from the anthropological perspective on human affairs. You might call me a neo-Fruedian insofar as I think the masses can't get along without religion. Not that generally they are incapable; they just don't, and for myriad reasons, but the main one seems to be the promise of immortality. Very seductive, that immortality. Therefore it seems that theologians are better equipped than the others you mention for dispensing answers to ""who and why"". I suggest that this holds regardless of the ""truth"" in their answers to who and why simply because people believe. In the end, spiritual beliefs are just as ""real"" as scientific facts and explanation (CAUTION TO SOME: DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT). >Do you suggest that the ""who and why"" will forever be closed to scientific >investigation? No. In fact, I don't think it is closed now, at least for some individuals. Isn't there a group of theoretical physicists who argue that matter was created from nothing in a Big Bang singularity? This approach might presuppose an absence of who and why, except that it seems it could be argued that something had to be responsible for nothing? Maybe that something doesn't have to be supernatural, maybe just mechanistic. But that's a tough one for people today to grasp. In any case, theory without empirical data is not explanation, but then your question does not require data. In other words, I agree that theorizing (within scientific parameters) is just as scientific as explaining. So the answer is, who and why are not closed to scientists, but I sense that science in these realms is currently very inadequate. Data will be necessary for improvement, and that seems a long way off, if ever. Pretty convoluted here; I hope I've made sense. >It seems to me that 200 or so years ago, the question of the origin of life on >earth was not considered open to scientific enquiry. I agree generally. But I prefer to put it this way - the *questions* of how, when, who and why were not open to inquiry. During the Enlightenment, reason was reponsible for questioning the theological answers to how and when, and not, for the most part, who and why. Science was thus born out of the naturalists' curiosity, eventually carting away the how and when while largely leaving behind the who and why. The ignorant, the selfish, the intolerant, and the arrogant, of course, still claim authority in all four domains. >|>Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota >Did like your discussion around AMHs, and I did figure out what AMH was from >your original post :-) Much obliged. Funny how facts tend to muddle things, isn't it? Well, I am sure there are plenty of ""scientific"" creationist ""rebuttals"" out there somewhere, even if they have to be created from nothing. [just for the record, again, AMH = anatomically modern humans] Best regards :-), Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota " 2371,9,"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) Subject: Re: Montreal Question....... Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu> k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: > What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it > anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 > > K--> >-- >--- >Keith J. Mullins (o o) >P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET: >Plymouth, NH | ""It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu He's played 2nd and 3rd. I also heard he can play short too. Shawn " 2372,14,"From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace) Subject: ORION space drive Reply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept. Lines: 16 An excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is ""The Starflight Handbook"", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN 0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion. The book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically inclined. Enjoy! --- C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ C/ Nathan F. Wallace C/C/ ""Reality Is"" C/ C/ e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu C/C/ ancient Alphaean proverb C/ C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ " 2373,3,From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes) Subject: I need a definition of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks Organization: Unix in NYC Distribution: na Lines: 15 I need definitions of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks. Any background material would also be welcome. If anyoneand email something to me or point me to an anonymous FTP server I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Al Dykes -------- adykes@jpr.com adykes@ad.com 2374,6,"From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: FOR SALE: Old JAZZ magazines Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com The following jazz magazines will go for the best OFFER received. Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get 'em in person. All are in GREAT condition!! These will go as one lot. I will not break them up. Metronome - Sep 1947, Feb 1948, June 1948, Nov 1950, Dec 1950, June 1952 Nov 1953 Downbeat - Jan 15,1947 (was newspaper sized..folded) Jan 18,1962, Feb 15,1962, Dec 19,1963, Mar 12,1964, Apr 9,1964, May 7,1964, May 21,1964, Jun 4,1964, Jul 16,1964, Sep 10,1964, Dec 17,1964, Dec 31,1964, Aug 26,1965, Oct 7,1965, Oct 21,1965, Dec 16,1965, Dec 30,1965, Jan 13,1966, Apr 21,1966, Jul 28,1966, Sep 8,1966, Dec 29,1966, Feb 9,1967, Feb 23,1967, Jun 15,1967, Nov 15,1967, Apr 4,1968, Aug 8,1968, Sep 5,1968, Oct 3,1968, Oct 31,1968, Feb 6,1969, Mar 6,1969, May 15,1969, Jun 12,1969, Jul 10,1969, Jul 24,1969, Aug 21,1969, Sep 4,1969, Dec 2,1969, May 14,1970, May 28,1970, Jun 11,1970, Jun 25,1970, Jul 9,1970, Aug 19,1971, Mar 15,1973, Mar 29,1973, May 10,1973, May 24,1973, Nov 1985 Also I will toss in (free): Jazz Journal (Feb 1979,Apr 1979) and CODA Magazine (Jun 1985, Dec 1985) arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com " 2375,3,"From: flyboy@spf.trw.com (Jeff Wright) Subject: Need pinouts for ext db25 floppy connectors, please Organization: TRW Sensor Data Processing Center, Redondo Beach, CA Distribution: ca Lines: 20 Hi, all. This is my first posting, so be gentle... I have a Zenith external floppy which has a DB25 connector, and I'd like to use it with my Sharp and Toshiba laptops, which also take a DB25 for their ext floppy, but it doesn't work. I have the pinouts for the Zenith, and would like to make adapters so I can use it. Does anyone have pinouts for these or other manufacturers' DB25 ext floppy connectors? I would greatly appreciate this info, either by e-mail or fax. Thanks very much, Jeff, aka flyboy@coyote.trw.com fax (310) 882-8800 -- Jeff Wright (flyboy@spf.trw.com) Phone: (213)812-7332 FAX: (213)812-8800 TRW, One Space Park O2/1769, Redondo Beach, CA 90278 " 2376,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr19.003221.11964@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: [Evan Pritchard writes:] >> I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, >>Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming >>front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although >>they were not great players themselves. > >Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than >those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after >him? [owner vs. player contributions deleted...] >Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution >or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the >sport itself? [stuff deleted...] >The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and >that is: ""it is the players that are what make the game great and not the >people who put them on the ice"" As I recall, the author of the _original_ article that started the thread claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons. Roger, on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his was a ""jingoistic rant"", but you also supported the name-changing on the grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals they represent. FWIW, I do not think the flaming was warranted, nor do I think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all. Just an observation... However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway. If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport' would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although it was the chicken.....) >Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch >is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have >always thought that this was nonsense. Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up. -- dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 2377,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >Well, I have typed in the OED definitions. As you will note upon reading >>them, a punishment, being an inanimate object, is incapable of ""showing >>mercy."" So, you can not say that a merciless punishment is a cruel one. >Sorry, you must have missed the stuff in parens when you read the >definition (where transf. = transferred sense and fig. = >figurative,-ly). ""Things"" can be cruel. Samples of text from the first >definition include, ""Because I would not see thy cruell nailes Plucke >out his poore old eyes,"" and ""The puniness of man in the centre of a >cruel and frowning universe."" Sure nails can be cruel. I'd imagine nails in your eyes would be *very* painful. But, this does not imply that a painless death is cruel, which is what you are supposed to be trying to show. keith " 2378,6,"From: jvinson@xsoft.xerox.com (Jeffrey A Vinson) Subject: 4rent: timeshare week Lines: 16 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA02982; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:54:26 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA02009; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:54:25 -0700 X-Received: from xsoft.xerox.com ([13.242.72.2]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <11671>; Mon, 5 Apr 1993 11:53:13 PDT X-Received: from aerie ([13.242.56.32]) by xsoft.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24096; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:53:00 PDT X-Received: by aerie (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11021; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:53:06 PDT X-To: misc.forsale.usenet Timeshare week for rent / must use before July / Best offer!! Week can be ""traded"" to anywhere in the world (Hawaii, Austria, Far East, U.S. etc.) under Interval International. Will answer questions about that, and help you trade (we have the paperwork and phone numbers in order to that). Contact: Jeff Vinson vinson@migration.com 415.813.7492 (daytime or leave msg) " 2379,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Allegheny College In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: > In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: > > Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish > faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world > series games because of Yom Kippur) > Kofax missed world series game because of The jewish day of repentence. " 2380,12,"From: gleasokr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Kris Gleason) Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 23 fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes: >I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate >some net.wisdom. >His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to >electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between >two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. >My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the >inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. >Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this? >Is there a better group to submit to? >We'd both appreciate some enlightenment. I think those are to make the lines more visible to airplanes and helicopters... cheaper than blinking red lights. 'course I could be wrong. Kris " 2381,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! Article-I.D.: usenet.C51Buv.KLn Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: poppy.journalism.indiana.edu I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? (Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 2382,10,"From: tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI (TERVI| MARKO J) Subject: Realignment in 2000 Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre Lines: 43 Well, here it is, NHL in the year 2000. I got these from a very reliable source in a dream some years ago and although I initially thought I had just been taking too many too strong drugs now it seems the realization has really begun... You can see the league has already started to move to this direction. *The Walt Disney Conference* Anaheim Mighty Chipmunks -Franchise name to be changed after each new LA Kings hockey movie LA Flames -We've seen some of that San Jose Sharks San Diego Bruins Tijuana Red Wings -Detroit's hockey team will follow its car industry... Dallas Stars Houston Oilers Texas Rangers Seattle Canucks *The Norm Green Conference* Alabama White Hawks Biloxi Blues Tampa Bay Lightning Miami Blades Helsinki Jets -You've heard them starting getting used to the anthem Montreal Quebecois (sp?) -There will be no 'Canada' Atlanta Devils Orlando Penquins Key West Islanders Hartford Whalers The Whalers will never move, huh? Palm Beach Capitals Now that the Anahaim team is becomming real I'm really beginning to believe the rest of the 'message'. I'm sure the future will turn you into believers too. After 2000 the NHL will abandond ice-rinks. It's so expensive to cool down the rinks in the subtropics and the locals hardly know what ice is anyway. NHL will become a roller skating hockey league. That way it can create more public interest in the game when local supporteres can play the game in their back yards ! I hope I'm just out of my mind. There won't REALLY be a Disney team in Anaheim, will there? The Stars aren't REALLY moving... " 2383,6,"From: craigb@vccsouth03.its.rpi.edu (Brian Craig) Subject: speakers for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: vccsouth03.its.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 22 For sale : Bose A5 subwoofer 1 month old 2 Advent minis 4 months old email offers to craigb@rpi.edu " 2384,9,"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) Subject: Cards Mailing List? Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 9 Count me interested in a Cardinal's mailing list. If anyone finds one or starts one, please let me know. Thanks, Dick Detweiler rdetweil@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com " 2385,11,"From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com >>How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >>being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >>unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >>keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". > > I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the >system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being >used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use >the warrant for the first tap to get the key. > > If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but >don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an ""un-authorized"" >encryption scheme. This doesn't handle superencrypted traffic. If the clipper doesn't impose any unfortunate performance side-effects there's no reason not to use it to superencrypt a stream of triple-DES encrypted traffic. That way your traffic looks ""normal"" and perhaps anyone desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for important stuff. mjr. " 2386,10,"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: David Polie's future Organization: UB Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <92821@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >In article gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes: >>Bad news for the Patrick division next year. Caps GM David Polie is >>reportedly trying to get a front office job with the NHL. I can't >>believe Polie has not been fired despite 10 years of mediocrity. > > YES! YES! THE IDIOT'S GONE! THE IDIOT'S GONE!!!!!!! I wish >this happened before he traded Hrivnak. Anyway, THE IDIOT'S GONE!!! > He's not gone yet. The position opening is down to Polie and the Sabres' GM Gerry Meehan. I think I'd like to see Meehan gone... -- Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. " 2387,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 23 Write a good manual to go with the software. The hassle of photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing the package for only $15. Also, consider offering an inexpensive but attractive perc for registered users. For instance, a coffee mug. You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95. You're lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use are non-licensed users. The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into your price structure. Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad. Retailers have to charge off loss to shoplifters onto paying customers; the software industry is the same. Unless your product is exceptionally unique, using an ostensibly copy-proof disk will just send your customers to the competetion. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 2388,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes... >Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For >example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" >mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if >maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy >gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. It can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 2389,17,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 In article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: >>In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: > >>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within >>>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the >>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab >>>land ? > >> Huh? A war was started when several armies invaded Israel, >>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Most Jews wanted to live in >>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship. > >It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely >predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril >well before the Arab invasion. As I have said elsewhere Lt Col Lorch has >said that Hagana forces were fighting well before the Arabs invaded as in >months before. As for Jews wanting to live in peace that to is entirely >arguable. I think it is easy enough to show that the Labour party leadership >had no such intention at all. As for the Arabs who 'stayed' don't you mean >those who were not expelled? Even some of those who did 'stay' were not >granted citizenship but expelled after the fighting had stopped anyway. > >Joseph Askew > How do you define war? Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages count as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them? January, 1948: Arab Liberation Army attacks Kfar Szold 1000 men attack Kfar Etzion, 14 miles south of Jerusalem, after cutting off the supply lines to it. Attacks on Yehiam (Western Galilee) and kibbutz Tirat Tzvi. By Mid-March, The Jewish settlements in the Negev had been cut off from land links with the rest of the Jewish population. The Etzion group of villiages, near Hebron, had been cut off, while 42 members of a convoy trying to supply Yehiam were slaughtered, cutting off the villiage. Jerusalem was under seige, being cut off from its supply route from Tel Aviv (the bombed out supply trucks have been left on the side of that road to this day in memoriam). By this time, 1200 Jews had been killed. Of course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking. Just like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets against Northern israel. Where does uprising end and war begin? Will it still be 'Intifadah' when the PLO brings in tanks? >-- >Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, >jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. >Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, >Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. Amir " 2390,16,"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? Distribution: usa Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes: >... >Let's prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make >the assertion that ""Well, I need to maintain my gun"" let's make it >regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it's >only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home >from his computer operator job... > >NRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT >magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between >RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of 'What >if what's left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament >of the police?"" > >Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed, >along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made >to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine. >... We all know this will never happen. Because the Police are under the wings of Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens. Government pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than Citizens. I think we have a problem with our Government. " 2391,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 117 In article <16BB112949.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <115287@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>>>>A brutal system filtered through ""leniency"" is not lenient. >>>>Huh? >>>How do you rate public floggings or floggings at all? Chopping off the >>>hands, heads, or other body parts? What about stoning? >>I don't have a problem with floggings, particularly, when the offenders >>have been given a chance to change their behavior before floggings are >>given. I do have a problem with maiming in general, by whatever means. >>In my opinion no-one who has not maimed another should be maimed. In >>the case of rape the victim _is_ maimed, physically and emotionally, >>so I wouldn't have a problem with maiming rapists. Obviously I wouldn't >>have a problem with maiming murderers either. >May I ask if you had the same opinion before you became a Muslim? Sure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should be dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for leniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be told the ""did a _bad_ thing."" >And what about the simple chance of misjudgements? Misjudgments should be avoided as much as possible. I suspect that it's pretty unlikely that, given my requirement of repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely. >>>>>>""Orient"" is not a place having a single character. Your ignorance >>>>>>exposes itself nicely here. >>>>>Read carefully, I have not said all the Orient shows primitive machism. >>>>Well then, why not use more specific words than ""Orient""? Probably >>>>because in your mind there is no need to (it's all the same). >>>Because it contains sufficient information. While more detail is possible, >>>it is not necessary. >>And Europe shows civilized bullshit. This is bullshit. Time to put out >>or shut up. You've substantiated nothing and are blabbering on like >>""Islamists"" who talk about the West as the ""Great Satan."" You're both >>guilty of stupidities. >I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers >not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran >allows that one beATs one's wife into submission. Really? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it. >Primitive Machism refers to >that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault). Again, not all of the Orient follows the Qur'an. So you'll have to do better than that. Sorry, you haven't ""put out"" enough. >>>Islam expresses extramarital sex. Extramarital sex is a subset of sex. It is >>>suppressedin Islam. That marial sexis allowed or encouraged in Islam, as >>>it is in many branches of Christianity, too, misses the point. >>>Read the part about the urge for sex again. Religions that run around telling >>>people how to have sex are not my piece of cake for two reasons: Suppressing >>>a strong urge needs strong measures, and it is not their business anyway. >>Believe what you wish. I thought you were trying to make an argument. >>All I am reading are opinions. >It is an argument. That you doubt the validity of the premises does not change >it. If you want to criticize it, do so. Time for you to put up or shut up. This is an argument for why _you_ don't like religions that suppress sex. A such it's an irrelevant argument. If you'd like to generalize it to an objective statement then fine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement that sex is not the business of religion (one of your ""arguments""). The urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong measures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so strong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to find a marriage partner. Gregg " 2392,4,"From: wirehead@cheshire.oxy.edu (David J. Harr) Subject: Any Nanao 750i compatible Mac video cards? Summary: I can get ehe monitor, but can I drive it? Keywords: 21"" monitor, 24 bit video, Macintosh Organization: The programmers who say NEE! Lines: 15 Does anyone know if a Nanao 750i is compatible with any popular Mac video cards? I have an oppurtunity to get a brand new one, cheap, and I am very tempted, but it will be a waste of time if I can't drive it using a standard video card. While I'm on the subject, what's everybody's reccomendations for a 21"" color monitor. I've heard good things about the NEC 6FG, and of course, there is always the reliable old Macintosh 21"" display, but what are YOUR experiences. David J Harr Cyberpunk Software. ""My definition of happiness is being famous for your financial ability to indulge in every form of excess."" -- Calvin " 2393,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: HLV for Fred (was Re: Prefab Space Station?) Article-I.D.: iti.1993Apr6.124456.14123 Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 22 In article jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >>[Titan III is the cheapest US launcher on a $/lb basis] >In that case it's rather ironic that they are doing so poorly on the commercial >market. Is there a single Titan III on order? They have a few problems. The biggest technical problem is the need to find two satellites going to the same rough orbit for a luanch. They also don't show much interest in commercial launches. There is more money to be made churning out Titan IV's for the government. After all, it isn't every day you find a sucker, er, customer who thinks paying three times the commercial rate for launch services is a good idea! Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allen W. Sherzer | ""A great man is one who does nothing but leaves | | aws@iti.org | nothing undone"" | +----------------------71 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 2394,8,"From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 15 karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes: >That's a twin-cam, right? Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain. After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the ""replace"" zone. >Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands. I know .... I know. -- Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu 722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks 606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD " 2395,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: The Israeli Press Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Andy Beyer has claimed that the Israeli Press is a bit biased. But the fact is that there are events shaping the politics of the mideast that people who do not read the Israeli press simply know nothing about. Many of these events are not even mentioned here. I read the Israeli press to learn of important events about which you know nothing, because of your total reliance on western media for your information on Israel. Since I read both American media and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on. As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they are. Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media here in America. But they still report events about which people here know nothing. I choose to form my opinions about Israel and the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy. " 2396,10,"From: doyle@cs.umass.edu (Jim Doyle) Subject: UMass Big East hockey underway Organization: CS Dept., Umass-Amherst Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: gaia.cs.umass.edu Summary: UMass hires Head Coach for first season since 1979 Keywords: UMass Minutemen Mallen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] The mission to revive hockey at UMass is now underway. At the 4 PM Saturday afternoon press conference held at the new Mullins Center Arena - former Boston College Asst. Coach Joe Mallen was awarded the 4 year, $85,000/year contract as Head Coach for the UMass Minutemen. Mallen was the third viable pick for the position, right behind Jeff Jackson (Lake Superior) and second behind Shawn Walsh (UMaine). Previous offers for the position were rumored to have been offered to the asst. coaches of Brown, RPI and the head coach of the AHL Springfield Indians. UMass hockey was disbanded in 1979 due to financial constraints that had undermined the team's position over a period of years. In late November of last year, the $52 million Mullins Sports Center was opened following its one year construction deadline. The Minutemen are slated to play an independent Div II/Div III schedule this upcoming winter before officially entering Hockey East for the Winter 1994 season. Mallen has yet to comment on player recruitment strategies or potential team candidates for the Minutemen - it is expected that he will leverage off his inside contacts within New England, the Bay State and Europe to draw on competitive, top ice players for the University. UMass has slated 18 hockey scholarships for the upcoming Fall semester ; expect to hear more from me as I hear more from my sources. .... J.D. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Jim Doyle Univ. of Massachusetts - Dept. of Computer Science Staff Programmer PUMA/DCC/CNET email: doyle@gaia.cs.umass.edu office: Lederle GRC Room A203 Tel. 413-545-3179 home : 91 Blackberry Ln Tel. 413-549-1409 Amherst,MA 01002-1516 " 2397,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 37 Pete Young, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:29:21 GMT wibbled: : Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: : : Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another newbie bites the dust, eh? They'll learn. : Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was : in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag. Is this bit funny? : Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago : are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep : once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. I'm terribly sorry. : Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm, : wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I : assumed you were serious. Mea culpa. I know, I know. Subtlety is sort of, you know, subtle, isn't it. : Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford : to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day. That's foreign firms for you. ..and a touchy newbie, at that. What's the matter, too much starch in the undies? -- Nick (the Considerate Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford None Gum-Chewer M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 (- " 2398,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Was Re: Top Ten Tricks...) Article-I.D.: optilink.15232 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr4.005634.24695@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.002339.22888@rigel.econ.uga.edu> depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes: > >In article <1993Apr2.154232.29527@Princeton.EDU> glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes: # # ""labor"" is a tough one. Labor is defined, economically, as the efforts, # # both mental and physical, of humans. Capital is defined as intermediate # # goods used to create other goods and services. Now, if a slave is considered # # an intermediate good, then the slave has now been dehumanized and is # # simply a machine. Not good for the anti-slave (i.e. pro-human rights) # # argument. So, slaves are humans, and they produce labor. # # Sorry. The question of defining slave ""labor"" is no ""tough(er)"" than # defining the ""labor"" of a horse, an ox, or any other livestock. Both # legally and economically in a slave-economy, ""slaves are (NOT) humans,"" # they are livestock. Can you provide some evidence that the slave states regarded slaves as not humans? They were ""outside our society"" and similar phrases that basically meant that they didn't have to recognized as having the same rights as a free person, but they were never considered ""not human"" to my knowledge. # Like a horse that pulls a plow, a slave's ""labor"" is the return on the # capital required to purchase and feed him. The parallel is so obvious # I'm not sure how you missed it. After all, its was the ""liberty"" to # use their ""property"" as they saw fit that motivated Southern planters # to emphasize the importance of ""states' rights."" If that were the case, the slave states would not have passed so many laws that restricted the freedom of slave owners to do as they wished with their property. Examples: laws prohibiting manumission without legislative grant; laws prohibiting teaching slaves to read & write. # #Craig. # Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 2399,15,"From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (A 369) Subject: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no Organization: delab Lines: 31 Dear fellow netters, From time to time a term like 'Oneness Pentecostals' (or something similar) has occurred in posts to this group. I also know that there is a movement called something like 'Jesus alone.' I believe in the Trinity and have no plans to change that, but reently I was made aware that there is at least one person within our church who holds the view that there is no trinity. In the near future we will discuss this item, and I feel that I shall ask you, my friends on this group, for background information. Can anybody tell me the basic reasons for holding a belief that there is only Jesus? And vice versa: The foundations for the Trinity? I shall appreciate both quotes from the Bible and historical development. Thank you all. In Him, Bjorn -- ______________________________________________________________________ s-mail: e-mail: | | | Bjorn B. Larsen bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no |__ |__ | SINTEF DELAB | \| \| N-7034 TRONDHEIM tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600 |__/|__/|_ NORWAY fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302 ______________________________________________________________________ " 2400,8,"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Article-I.D.: earth.ls1v14INNjml Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu In article <12739@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: >>In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: >>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful [...] >> >> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and >>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem. When I do it > >Really!? > >Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike. > >Perhaps you meant _pull_? > >Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left. > >It should. >REally. > >>on MY bike, I turn right. No wonder you need that FAQ. If I had it >>I'd send it. > >I'm sure others will take up the slack... > [...] >-- >Andy Infante | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis | Oh, lord. This is where I came in. Obcountersteer: For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe I need psychological help. Obcountersteer v2.0:Anyone else find it ironic that in the weekend-and-a- night MSF class, they don't mention countersteering until after the first day of riding? ----- Tommy McGuire, who's going to hit his head on door frames the rest of the evening, leaning into those tight turns.... mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" " 2401,2,"From: fisk@cvdv99.mayo.edu (Tom Fisk | 2D-337 STM | 5-4341) Subject: Re: ATI ultra pro Drivers? News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Reply-To: fisk@mayo.edu Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group Lines: 20 In article , jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) writes... >Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI >GUP? >Thanks > The latest driver release is 59 and can be found at ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the pub/pc/win3/... directory structure as pro59.zip. I checked with ATI's BBS last nite and there were no releases past 59. We have the ATI Local Bus card and I noticed that I get garbage around the edges of a window when I move it. Has anybody else noticed this also? Tom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas B. Fisk +----------------------------+ Internet: fisk@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic | If you don't know where | Voice: (507) 255-4341 200 First Street SW | you're going you'll never | FAX: (507) 255-5484 Mail Stop 2D-337 STM | get there. | Rochester, MN 55905 +----------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2402,16,"From: jbs@rti.rti.org Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill Lines: 16 In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > >Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke and then fire? Do tell. -joe " 2403,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Z Magazine: Health Care Reform (March 93) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 95 {Sorry, Harel et al, but our doctors and most hospitals are still private in Canada as well as in much of Western Europe.} harelb@math.cornell.edu (Harel Barzilai - Grad - Brown) writes: > =================================== > H e a l t h C a r e R e f o r m > By Camille Colatosti > Z magazine (see bottom), March 1993 > =================================== >... >The single-payer model, sometimes called national health insurance, >eliminates private insurance companies and removes health care from >employment. The government provides free health care to all U.S. >residents. And there are no out-of-pocket costs. Wrong. In better EC countries that use pure (but public) health insurance (like we use in Canada) rather than self-enclosed HMO-like socialized medicine, 30% of our costs comes from private supplementary insurance and/or copayments. France Magazine's Summer 1992 edition has a fantastic presentation of their basic insurance coverage, including a sample chart of copayment percentages. For 1-30 days, you're covered for 80% of the public hospital rate, 100% afterward. With extra private insurance, you can get into a private hospital and be covered for any differences beyond the public hospital rate. The public insurance covers 100% beyond 30 days, or the same cash amount for a private hospital and the difference is paid out-of-pocket or according to your supplementary private insurance. Over 2/3rds of French have some form of extra private insurance. So, 30% of health costs in Europe are out of private funds and not gleaned from other taxes. The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total outlay using the same methods that yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. That the French had deductibles and copayments in their insurance fund is to their credit ... I am in the minority for advocating such back in Canada (to make the Canadian insurance look more like real health insurance -- which actually it is). The new Reform Party, a breakoff of traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly ""libertarian"" faction, hold our public health insurance as an untouchable but that just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American counterparts on issues like these). I'm one of the few people who favour copayments (forget about leftists, even our conservatives attack me for it on the Canadian newsgroups) to make it look more like real insurance, 'cos the 100% insurance payment is hidden (unlike in France) and if you didn't know it, you'd believe it actually is socialized medicine (American conservatives/libertarians and Canadian leftists are the only ones who seriously call it that). Canadians aren't worried about the Americans, who spend 14%; we're worried about the French and Germans who spend 7% to our 9% ... so the insurance is looking at things that shouldn't be paid for out of general funds like physicals for insurance policies, sick notes, electrolysis, etc. The reason that the Canadian health insurance hasn't spiralled out of control despite being open and universal is that unlike Americans, there is no urge to spend all of your benefits' worth, and more if you can ... we're a different culture. >Like the play or pay model, managed competition leaves in place two >elements of the current health care system that reformers most often >criticize: the private, for-profit insurance industry; and the >employer-based system of coverage. Managed competition compels >employers to enroll their workers in large pools of health insurance >customers. Entire industries may, for example, sponsor a pool or >network. Insurance companies, doctors, hospitals and other health >care providers then bid for the pool's business, competing- in >theory- on the basis of price and quality. ""Managed Care"" relies on HMO's, which are unknown in most western nations that use only public health insurance like Canada, France and Germany (I'm Canadian, and my German father-in-law-to-be says of HMO/NHS approaches, ""We left that behind with East Germany!""). Sure, HMO/NHS controls costs because you have managers strangling doctors with budget strings. In Canada, we use the public health insurance approach as in France and Germany, with all private doctors and both private and public hospitals. It is all pure insurance without HMO's. The divisions are different, with the Germans using a couple hundred interlinked ""sickness funds"" over a century old while Canada divides by their provinces (who run the insurance fund and set local fees with the doctors monopoly; federal funds cover the fees disbursed.) With such an open-ended system, it's no surprise that Canada is #2 to the U.S. in costs; all-insurance is the most expensive way to go. The French and Germans use the same approach but have larger populations in more compact geography to improve scales of economy. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 2404,12,"From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 13 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > >This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than >UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one >of them shorts. Not necessarily true; a short in one, if near the maximum series voltage drop, will overvoltage the other one and short it too, more -- lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't (really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy. " 2405,3,"From: gtj@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Glenn T Jayaputera) Subject: Need Info on high quality video card Organization: RMIT Department of Computer Science Lines: 10 Hi...I need some info on video card. I am looking a video card that can deliver a high quality picture. I need the card to display images (well for advertising company btw), so it must be rich with colors and the speed must be fast too. I am just wondering if somebody can advise me what to buy for such application, and possible the address of the vendor. thanks in advance Glenn Jayaputera " 2406,0,"Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Athei From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr19.151120.14068@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes: >In <930419.125145.9O3.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes: >> I wonder if Noam Chomsky is reading this? > > I could be wrong, but is he actually talking about outright >_government_ control of the media, aka censorship? > > If he doesn't, any quick one-stop-shopping reference to his works >that'll tell me, in short, what he _does_ argue for? ""Manufacturing Consent,"" a film about the media. You alternative movie source may have this; or to book it in your local alternative theatre, contact: FILMS TRANSIT * INTERNATIONAL SALES Jan Rofekamp 402 Notre Dame E. Montreal, Quebec Canada H2Y 1C8 Tel (514) 844-3358 * Fax (514) 844-7298 Telex 5560074 Filmtransmtl (US readers: call Zeitgeist Films at 212 274 1989.) -s -- Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu ""Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own."" Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net " 2407,12,"From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Subject: Re: few video questions Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA Lines: 28 In article <7480224@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: >situation sometimes called ""block"" sync). You can generate such a combined >(or ""composite"") sync in two simple ways - OR the H. and V. syncs together, >which gives you the non-serrated ""block"" sync, or EXOR them, which makes >serrations. (Try it!) Actually, the EXOR doesn't really do kosher serrated >sync, since it puts the rising (and falling, for that matter) edge of the H. >sync pulse off by a pulse width. But that usually makes no difference. Sometimes. It depends on your monitor and your timing. If you don't have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive to the HHOLD control. It looks like what you would expect if you scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube. With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock solid. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie. " 2408,15,"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) Subject: Goodbye, but not forever Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 46 Praise God! I'm writing everyone to inform you that I have been accepted to the Doctor of Psychology program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA. I've been working long and hard to try to get in there and have said many hours of prayer. I'm very excited for this opportunity, but also very nervous about it. I'd appreciate the prayers of the readers of this group for my preparation for school this summer and for my career as a graduate student. I'd also appreciate any information any of the readers of this group might have about Fuller, Pasadena, or California in general, like good places to have fun, good churches to check out, or anything else that might be good for me to know. Also, if anyone knows of any foundations that might have funding or scholarship money available, please let me know! Of course, if you wish to make a personal contribution.....:) The contract for my current job is over at the end of April. I'll be taking a couple classes at UT this summer and then I'll be moving to Pasadena. Hopefully, I'll be able to get net.access next fall, although Fuller doesn't have it itself. I've enjoyed the interesting discussions and I commend everyone for their earnest search to please God. Thanks to our moderator for providing such a wonderful service and in doing a great job of running this news group. May God bless you all. Vaya con Dios, mi amigas y amigos. Paul =============================================================================== Paul Conditt Internet: conditt@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu Applied Research Phone: (512) 835-3422 FAX: (512) 835-3416/3259 Laboratories Fedex: 10000 Burnet Road, Austin, Texas 78758-4423 University of Texas Postal: P.O. Box 8029, Austin, Texas 78713-8029 Austin, Texas <----- the most wonderful place in Texas to live TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTTTTTTTTTTTT Texas Tech Lady Raiders TT TTT TT 1992-93 SWC Champions TTT 1992-93 NCAA National Champions TTT TTTTTTT " 2409,3,"From: dallas@ravel.udel.edu (Paul Lewis Fincke) Subject: SCSI help Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: us Lines: 24 Howdy, Sorry if this has been covered before: One of my PC illiterate friends asked me to help him install DRDOS 6.0 on his NEC Powermate SX (386SX 16). Of course, I said ""No problem"" and went to work. Unfortunately, the DRDOS refuses to recognize the hard drive during installation, even though I am still able to boot off of the hard drive using the old DOS. After openning it up I discovered it was using an 8-bit Seagate SCSI controller on a ST-157N SCSI 40Mbtye drive. I then booted with DRDOS 6.0 off of the floppy a second time and ran fdisk to see if I could access the drive. Lo and behold the primary 46.5 Mbyte partition was intact (created by DOS 3.1 no less, I didn't think you could go over a 32Mbyte partition in the older DOSes. I could be wrong...). I then tried to remove the primary partition, which it wouldn't allow me to do. I am unaware of anything special that has to be done with a SCSI drive (I kinda expected it to work just like an IDE/MFM/RLL drive for DOS installations). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated (except for ""Throw it in the garbage and buy a new PC"")... Thanks in advance, Paul ""Mr. SCSI... NOT!"" Fincke " 2410,9,From: bbs-comarow@jwt.oau.org (Bob Comarow) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Reply-To: bbs-comarow@jwt.oau.org Organization: The Matrix Lines: 4 Dave Kingman is Jewish bob comarow@eisner.decus.org 2411,15,"From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) Subject: Re: Maybe????? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 14 : [I have some qualms about postings like this. You might want to : engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging : someone who doesn't expect it with cards. --clh] I'd suggest that more than _some_ qualms are in order. Without knowing anything about the situation, it is impossible to evaluate the appropriateness of writing. Some folks will check, others with more zeal than time may not. IMHO, requests of this nature should be made only for oneself or for someone who knows and approves of the idea. Otherwise, it is intrusive and disrespectful of the individual. revdak@netcom.com " 2412,10,"From: ""Terence M. Rokop"" Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner???? Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr4.165655.16932@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohi writes: >Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post. Maine 5, LSSU 4. Terry " 2413,12,"From: khairon@usc.edu (Rosli Bin Khairon) Subject: Looking for Address of Noise Cancellation Tech. Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun130.usc.edu I am new to this newsgroup so I apologise if this is not the appropriate forum to ask this question. I am looking for the address of Noise Cancellation Technologies. It is rather important. So if you can help me in this regard, please do. Thank you. -- Rosli Khairon@aludra.usc.edu " 2414,16,"From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute Distribution: usa Lines: 64 A few comments on the ATF's botched handling of this case: 1. Attempting to storm the compound in broad daylight? The explanation we were given (at least at one point) was that they thought the cult members would be at religious services. My only comment on this bit of idiocy is that if you're going to operate as a quasi-military unit, you'd better understand basic military tactics. One cardinal rule is that only a fool plans an operation where if one assumption is incorrect, the operation will fail disastrously. 2. We were told that ATF got four agents killed because they were outgunned, they didn't expect such heavy resistance. When questioned about why such an overwhelming military-style assault was planned, we were told that it was because the cultists were thought to be heavily armed. Can you say contradictory? I knew you could! 3. The BATF has had a bad reputation for years as a bunch of arrogant, hotdoggers. I was talking to relatives a couple of weeks ago and referred to them as a bunch of Crockett and Tubbs wannabes. I'm more than ever convinced that's right on target. An anecdote not related to the Waco fiasco is that apparently the BATF screwed up some of the evidence in the World Trade Center bombing. There's now an excellent chance some of the forensic evidence gathered by the FBI will not be admissible in court. This is not hearsay. I was told this by a relative of my wife's who happens to be an FBI agent. His opinion of the BATF was, ummm, well, let's just say uncomplimentary. 4. I have *still* not been presented with one iota of evidence that the BD's had *any* of the alleged illegal weaponry which was the reason for the raid in the first place. BTW, we're *still* hearing this justification. AG Reno, on CNN yesterday, made references to this issue, without any substantiation. She also waved around the ""He's a child abuser and we heard he was beating the children!"" flag. Sigh. 5. A point re the Feds in general: their handling of the whole siege reflected a complete lack of understanding of the probable thought processes of the cultists. AG Reno said they pushed the button because they were afraid a mass suicide was in the offing. My only comment on that is that if the cultists were that close to the edge, what the hell did she think their reaction would be to an hours-long assault on the compound where holes were punched in the walls and CS gas pumped in? If I were a BD, I'd expect the forces of the godless government to assault me at any time. In that light, whether they torched themselves or drank Jim Jones Kool-Aid is irrelevant. Also, look at how the siege was conducted: Bright lights, loud rock music, cutting off communications and other contact with the outside. All measures designed to make the BD's feel more and more isolated and threatened. This might have been a great strategy - if they were dealing with criminals. As it was, it looks to me like everything they did fed into Koresh's paranoid delusions. -- #include Dan S. " 2415,18,"From: carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 20 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.jpl.nasa.gov In article <15377@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >I'm sick of it. This continual effort to inflame the passions >of Americans by playing every trial as completely sexist, racist, >or gay-bashing, when the realities are seldom this simple. This >is what happens when a society becomes tied up in ideologies. I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. In a not so subtle way they are preparing their audience for the worst and even going so far as to want SOMETHING to happen for their viewers with all their commercials and their ""we are ready for anything so watch US"" messages... carlos. ""I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race"" - Abraham Lincoln ...ames!elroy!jpl-devvax!{beowulf|pituco}!carlos " 2416,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 32 In article <1r0nov$p3e@access.digex.net> steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes: > > 1. American manufacturers peddling Cripple Chips with a secret untested > algorithm whose keys are held by people with a history of untrustworthy > behavoir, or > er, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren't yet chosen, how can you say they have a ""history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]""? I'm sure each of us can think of agencies without such a history. Price Waterhouse has kept the secret of the Academy Awards for many years, even in the face of an aggressive press. The Federal Reserve Open Market Committee has successfully kept decisions from leaking for the statutory period until publication. Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop forecasts from leaking prematurely. Frankly, I'd trust the above (not the D of A, of course since they might be subject to political pressure) far sooner than the ACLU, EFF, or CPSR which, though not exactly government apologists, have no particular track record for internal security that I know of. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 2417,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 75 In article mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: >bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: >>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But > > So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist? [good points on buddhism, etc. deleted] just because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to follow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and difficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are willing to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves spiritually in the way you are talking about. [more deleted] >And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out (""woman was created >after man, to be his helper"" etc). do you think this is what christianity is all about? not all christians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds above like you are supporting a policy of ""to each his own"" -- here is another example of that. if it helps someone's faith to take every word of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too. >>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be > > When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and >other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an >1-800 number to turn in your pledges. >God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes. please don't judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one can truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?). i think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very true -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that? >>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >>ourselves. > Parting Question: > Would you have become a Christian if you had not >been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about >any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim >you are brain washed. i was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised atheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness present in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness he found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with. thus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the decision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized to me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not intruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that is his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!) one of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her beliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is jewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish religion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite authors). i really do not think you can make that kind of generalization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE-- their faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their adult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk about their being brainwashed. vera ""if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"" - rush, ""freewill"" " 2418,15,"From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) Subject: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 37 I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how to do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers. Lately, I think the proportion of participation has fallen, and the proportion of sitting there and watching, or listening, or generally being told what to do (which is necessary because no one knows what's happening next) is growing. Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say ""Crucify him"" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were ""invited"" to sit during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian ""invitation"", I was really saddened to have my (and our) little role taken away. This seems typical of a shift of participation away from the people, and toward the musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay ""experts"", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for people to be aware of the Lord's presence. So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational participation in Catholic Masses lately? John Murray " 2419,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: }1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too }ignorant to know I need to buy) The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed: Helmet (new, but cheap) $100 Jacket (used or very cheap) $100 Gloves (nothing special) $ 20 Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!) $140 That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 2420,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > >What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior. Do I smell .sig material here? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 2421,14,"From: rjungcla@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (R. M. Jungclas) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville, IL. Distribution: usa Lines: 48 In article pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in >the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe >science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention. >It was from a company name ""Personal Missle, Inc."" or something like that. > >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes ""F"" to ""M"". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. > >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. >Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down. > >And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy. > > >-Paul ""mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite"" Dokas Could it be Public Missile, Inc in Michigan? From the description of ad here, it sounds like they're talking about ""High Power Rocketry"", an outgrowth of model rocketry. This hobby uses non-metallic structural compoments and commerically manufactured engines ranging in impulse classification from G to P. The hobby has been flourishing from early 1980s and is becoming increasing popular. Technically this is not consider amateur rocketry. Any rocket with a liftoff weight greater than 3.3 pounds OR using a total impulse of G or greater, REQUIRES an FAA waiver to launch. Typically, a group of people get an FAA waiver for specified period of time (ie week, weekend, etc.) at a designated site and time, and all of the launches are then covered under this ""blanket waiver"". There is also a ""High Power Safety Code"" which designates more specific rules such as launch field size, etc. Finally, in order to purchase any of the larger (Class B) rocket motors you need to certified through either the National Association of Rocketry or Tripoli Rocketry Association. Certification procedures require a demonstarted handling and ""safe"" flight at a total impulse level. For more information, watch rec.models.rockets newsgroup. R. Michael Jungclas UUCP: att!ihlpb!rjungcla AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville, IL. Internet: rjungcla@ihlpb.att.com " 2422,10,"From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Subject: Re: Ottawa/Montreal/Philly trade Article-I.D.: oz.1993Apr6.023843.9689 Reply-To: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 13 Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky trade to Toronto???? Sheeeesh! You should have waited until we got over that one before this garbage, maybe we would have believed it for half a second (NOT!). By the way, I just heard from Mother Goose that Mario Lemieux was traded to Winnpeg for Tie Domi!!!!! Randy PSC (I know noone has heard of it, it's a tiny college in Hicksville New Hampshire. Plymouth State College) " 2423,13,"From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Subject: Re: Selective Placebo Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 37 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu Ron Roth recommends: ""Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the proper channels, you might consider ther following:..."" [diet omitted] 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be ""proper channels""...this sounds suspiciously like a blood chemistry...glucose tolerance and the like...suddenly chemistry exists? You know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose...no ""CONFIRM"" any aberrant physiology...but then again...maybe that's what you meantby ""proper channels."" 2) Were you able to understand Dick King's post that ""90% of diseases is not thesame thing as 90% of patients"" which was a reply to your inability to critically evaluate the statistic you cited from the New England Journal of Medicine. Couldyou figure out what is implied by the remark ""Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly dispense placebos...""? 3) Ron...have you ever thought about why you never post in misc.health.alterna- tive...and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained, non-medical, often delusional notions of health and disease into this forum? I suspect from your apparent anger toward MDs and heteropathic medicine that there may be an underlying 'father problem'...of course I can CONFIRM this by surrogate muscle testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their previously weak 'indicator' muscles strengthens...or do you have reservations about my unique methods of diagnosis? Oh..I forgot what you said in an earlier post..""neither am I concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone else's criteria of acceptance."" John Badanes, DC, CA romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu ideas " 2424,5,"From: alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Alexander P. Zijdenbos) Subject: Sunview -> X Originator: alex@taacman Nntp-Posting-Host: taacman Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 16 No doubt this is an old question, but I didn't find the answer in the FAQs I could find, so - here goes: I have a Sunview application that I want to convert to X (OpenLook, Motiv, whatever). I remember hearing quite some time ago that there are tools to accomplish this task. a) is that so? b) are they public domain? c) any good, i.e. d) advantages over reimplementing the interface myself? Thanks, -- Alex " 2425,3,"From: umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command) Subject: 256 Color Drivers Article-I.D.: shelley.1r2p1pINNp6 Reply-To: umeister@u.washington.edu Distribution: pnw Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu I would appreciate the driver name from CICA which functions as a 256 color driver for a Quadtel video card. The type of chip or chipset used would suffice as well. umeister@u.washington.edu " 2426,19,"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) Subject: No News Is Bad News Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se Distribution: world Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok I'm having trouble receiving News at the moment due to an overloaded News server. I think that I can post out reasonably quickly, though. I'm in a couple of threads at the moment which may be pending replies. If anyone wants a reply from me over something I've posted then I suggest sending an e-mail copy of the point to me so that I can reply by News. This is one way to shut me up!! Cheers, David. --- On religion: ""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, As they swam its clearness through. " 2427,9,"Subject: Re: Eck vs Rickey (was Re: Rickey's whining again) From: smith@ms.uky.edu (Brian Smith) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 169 In article <6998@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >I've read all of the followups to this, but I thought I'd go back to the >original article to make specific comments about the method: > > >jao@megatest.com (John Oswalt) said: >> >>He has obtained the play by play records, in computer readable >>form, for every major league baseball game for the past several years. >>He devised an algorithm which I call ""sum-over-situations"", and wrote >>a computer program to calculate every major league players contribution >>using it. It works like this: >> >>Look at every ""situation"" in every game in a baseball season. A >>situation is determined by inning, score, where the baserunners are, >>and how many outs there are. For each situation, count how many >>times the team eventually won the game that the situation occured in, >>and divide by the number of times the situation came up, to come up with >>a ""value"" for that situation. > >This was first done by George Lindsey in the late '50s/early '60s, and >reported in > > Article: An Investigation of Strategies in Baseball > Author: George R. Lindsey > Journal: Operations Research > Issue: Volume 11 #4, July-August 1963, pp. 477-501 > >Later, Pete Palmer did the same thing using simulated seasons to generate >a larger set of data to avoid the kind of small-sample anomalies that other >people have worried about. He reported this in _The_Hidden_Game_of_Baseball_ >(with John Thorn). Gary Skoog modified the method a bit and did some work >on what he called a ""Value Added"" measure based on these situational values. >His were based directly on marginal runs, though, not on win probabilities. >These results, as applied to the 198? season, were reported in one of the >Bill James Baseball Abstract books (1987? Help me out here, somebody...) > >>For example, a situation might be inning 3, score 2-0, runner on second >>and no outs. There were 4212 regular season major league games last >>year. (With the Rockies and Marlins, there will be more this year.) >>Say this situation came up in 100 of those, and the team ahead won >>75 of them. Then the value of this situation is 0.75. > >[Description of method: look at change in win probability based on the at bat > plus any baserunning, and credit/debit the player by that amount each time > he gets a plate appearance.] > >>Now, for each player, sum up all his at-bat and base-running values >>for the season to obtain an overall value for that player. Obviously >>the sum of all players' values for each game, and for the season as a >>whole, will be 0. > >That's only because you always credit +x to the batter and -x to the pitcher; >there's no validation involved. > >OK, there's a very big problem here that nobody has yet commented on: you're >adding *probabilities*, and probabilities don't add. Runs you can add; the >total team runs breaks down into how many runs Joe contributed plus how many >runs Fred contributed, etc. But probabilities don't work that way. If Bob >increases his team's chance of winning by 1% in each of 400 PAs, that does >not mean that Bob increased his team's chance of winning by 400%. In fact, >it doesn't mean *anything*, because the units are screwy. I agree and disagree. John is saying that the batters efforts will result in 4 more wins then losses. While you are probably correct that 400% does not mean 4 more wins then losses, it means something. I would rather have a player who increased my teams chances of winning by 1% in each of 400 PAs then I would a player who increased my chances of winning by .5% in each of 400 PAs. Thus, there appears to me to be an obvious positive association between John's statistic and winning games. Thus, before you disregard this stat, it appears to me that further study must go into what sort of relationship there is. >Consider an example: Bob hits a 2-out solo HR in the bottom of the first; >about .12 on your scale. He does the same thing again in the fourth, with >the score tied, for another .14. And again, in the seventh, with the score >tied, for another .22. And, finally, in the ninth to win the game by a score >of 7-6, for a value of 0.5. Bob hit 4 solo HR in 4 plate appearances, and >was credited by your method with .12 + .14 + .22 + .5 = .98. But what does >that mean? Was Bob 98% responsible for the win? Certainly not; the defense >is *always* 50% responsible (if you include pitching in that), and Bob wasn't >pitching. In fact, Bob was only 4/7 of the offense (which is a lot, but not >even close to 100%). Furthermore, what about the other 3 team runs? Say >they all came on solo HR by Fred; then Fred was hitting HR to tie up the game, >which are just as valuable as HR to take the lead (see Lindsey), and Fred will >himself have accrued a good .4 rating or so. So Fred and Bob combined have >amassed 138% of a win IN ONE GAME. There's clearly a problem here. The only problem here is an insistance that these number mean exactly how many wins the team has. First, we are using averages over many seasons and applying them to one game. Second, remember some players performance take away from the chance of you winning. That is a player who gets an out gets a ""negative probability"" in most cases. Thus, I'm not sure in any given game when you add up all the numbers for a team who won that they will add up to 1 in that game. Sometimes, they will add up to more then one sometime, less than one. Also, the pitchers' bad performances (giving up 6 runs) may have given them a large negative percentage for that game. Also, any batter that pulled an 0-4 night would give large negatives. >>Greg thinking about the right things, but his intuition is off the >>mark. Closers are enormously important. The total number of runs >>value is outweighed by when they come, or are prevented from comming. >>The doubling which Greg allows is not enough. > >In another article, I proposed a test of this. We can predict a team's >won/lost record quite accurately by looking at how many runs *total* they >score and allow, without regard to when those runs score in the game. If >late runs are really more important than early runs, then looking only at >late runs should lead to a *better* predictor, right? No, but really only because you have a smaller sample size. I would think however, that the number of runs you score in the first inning would be just as good as a prediction as how many runs you score in the last inning. And, realize something else a closer usually comes in in a close situation, not a blow out. It is hard to argue that any runs that a closer gives up in a game have equal importance to those given up in the first inning. Look, a closer giving up runs often means a team will lose many games. On, the other hand a starter who gives up runs often still leaves his team a chance to win. The offence has many more outs to do something about. But, I am not saying all late inning situations are equally important either. If I am down 8 runs in the ninth, it really does not matter how many runs my pitcher gives up in the ninth. >Here's another thought experiment: apply this method to basketball. What >you find is that points scored in the first *half* of the game have almost >exactly no value, because no lead is safe with an entire half yet to play. >Furthermore, the sub in off the bench who sinks the winning free throws with >no time on the clock gets a +1.0 for the game, while the star forward who >scored 27 points in the first half before spraining his ankle gets a zero. > >Does this make sense? No, but why would you assume that the teams probability of winning would be 0 before the possesion in which the free throws were made. Look, if you are down 1 point with 5 seconds left, there is a fairly high probability that you will win the game if you are in possesion of the ball. And, do not forget that somebody elses missed shots, turnovers, fouls, bad defense, etc. caused a ""negative chance"" that the team would win. From reading all of the discussion on this statistic, I feel that those who critisize it to a certain extent are doing so out of an agenda. At first look this statistic valadates clutchness. But, it really does not. Cluthness revolves around the idea that certain players in crucial situation elevate their performance and others performance goes down. I've never seen convincing proof that this really happens. So, if you assume there is no clutchness, then that means that except for a lot of noice, this statistic has a positive association to player performance. There is a way to get rid of the noice if you do not believe in clutchness. Certainly, we could find out what the average value of a home run is for example. We may find for instance, that a home run increases your chance of winning by 15% on average while a strikeout decreases your chance of winning by 5%. I bet if this were done we would find that this statistic was just as good as other statistics we have for predicting wins and losses. How do we evaluate relief pitchers? Say John and Sam have the exact same pitching statistics (runs, earned runs, K's, BB's, etc.) Both had exceptional numbers. John, however only pitched in closer situations, while Sam was a Mop up man. Who was more valuble to their team? Probably John. Who was the better pitcher? They were probably about the same. Brian Smith " 2428,11,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Distribution: na Lines: 25 holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just >call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions >from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from >TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. 1. I don't think they are classified. 2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better, I could probably come up with a _very_ good system. ... > If the new regime comes to fruition, make sure you protect your First >Amendment rights by asserting your Second Amendment Rights. > Doug Holland -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 2429,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: DC-X Rollout Report Article-I.D.: topaz.STEINLY.93Apr6170313 Distribution: sci Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: buenneke@monty.rand.org's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:34:39 GMT In article buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) writes: McDonnell Douglas rolls out DC-X ... SSTO research remains cloudy. The SDI Organization -- which paid $60 million for the DC-X -- can't itself afford to fund full development of a follow-on vehicle. To get the necessary hundreds of millions required for This is a little peculiar way of putting it, SDIO's budget this year was, what, $3-4 billion? They _could_ fund all of the DC development out of one years budget - of course they do have other irons in the fire ;-) and launcher development is not their primary purpose, but the DC development could as easily be paid for by diverting that money as by diverting the comparable STS ops budget... - oh, and before the flames start. I applaud the SDIO for funding DC-X devlopment and I hope it works, and, no, launcher development is not NASAs primary goal either, IMHO they are supposed to provide the enabling technology research for others to do launcher development, and secondarily operate such launchers as they require - but that's just me. | Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night | | Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites | | steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? | | ""standard disclaimer"" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 | " 2430,9,"From: wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner) Subject: Trivia Question!! Distribution: usa Organization: WINCO Lines: 19 Ok all you trivia buffs, I have a good one for you. 1. Prior to the foul bunt rule what is the record for the most foul balls by 1 batter during one at bat? 2. Total pitches? 3. Who was the batter? 4. Who was the pitcher? 5. Same as 1-4 except after the foul bunt rule. Associated data would be nice too (such as date, location, teams, etc.) Bill wrl@pmafire.inel.gov " 2431,2,"From: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Originator: bca@packard.ece.cmu.edu Lines: 11 Reply-To: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: cmu In article <1qmc7e$g1b@access.digex.net>, wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) writes: |> From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) |> Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? |> Date: 16 Apr 1993 09:27:10 -0400 //// Much stuff deleted ////// What is Win32? I upgraded to Mathcad 4.0 and it installed a directory for Win32 under \windows\system . During the upgrade it told me that win32 was required. " 2432,7,"From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Nntp-Posting-Host: earth.ctp.com Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners Distribution: usa Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: > >Well, I guess I know for sure what I meant, and it is this: I don't know where >you drive, but around here freeways are often clogged solid with large packs >of semis, trucks, and cars of all descriptions. When I close on one of these >rolling clusterf***s on the highway, I have no desire to add my vehicle to this >rolling accident looking for a place to happen. If there were any way to pass it >I WOULD BE PASSING MYSELF, however I can't. As I posted before, all it >takes is a blown tire, or some moron tramping on the brakes to turn this pack >into a cloud of shredded metal, flying glass, and burning vehicles. I want to >maintain enough free space between myself and this mess to at least have a >minimal chance to avoid a mass crash. That means maintaining a clear space >between me and it. >However, there is no end of shortdriving morons who are dying to pass so they >can add themselves and their car to the bodycount. That wouldn't bother me so >much except that after letting enough of these morons pass me and glue themselves >to the pack ahead, my interval is filled up. Trying to back off further does not >work because the road behind me has filled up, trapping my car right into an ever >increasing pack. Now, if there was any slight possibility that there was a lane >open ahead, I'd be glad to move over. But, there usually is no way in hell that >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. > Just an comment: I don't like it when people decide what's good for me... If you think you're going to decide anything for me, you'd better be carrying a badge and a gun. Who made you capable of determining if there is ""no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere""? Why do you find it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own business? If someone is minding their own business, I will give them all the room they want, and I'll try to make things easy for them, even letting them in in front of me if they ask politely (with a directional). On the other hand, if someone like you decides they want to block me and be a general asshole, you can bet your ass that I'll make life as miserable as possible for you, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else who's minding their own business. They have a phrase to describe someone like you: Self Appointed Traffic Police. Just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong. >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a position >to cash in my chips, too. > > H.H. Mayo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___ / _ \ '85 Mustang GT Bob Pitas / /USH 14.13 @ 99.8 bpita@ctp.com / /| \ Up at NED, Epping, NH (Cambridge, MA) """" - Geddy Lee (in YYZ) Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, obviously, since they end with my .sig! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2433,3,"From: CCMB Subject: What DMA's are my system using? Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Hello, I am having a small problem with my sound blaster pro and a game. Is there a utility out there that would tell me what DMA's my system is using? Thanks, Mark Brown " 2434,13,"From: dwebb@unl.edu (dale webb) Subject: Re: THE BACK MACHINE - Update Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 15 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu I have a BACK MACHINE and have had one since January. While I have not found it to be a panacea for my back pain, I think it has helped somewhat. It MAINLY acts to stretch muscles in the back and prevent spasms associated with pain. I am taking less pain medication than I was previously. The folks at BACK TECHNOLOGIES are VERY reluctant to honor their return policy. They extended my ""warranty"" period rather than allow me to return the machine when, after the first month or so, I was not thrilled with it. They encouraged me to continue to use it, abeit less vigourously. Like I said, I can't say it is a cure-all, but it keeps me stretched out and I am in less pain. -- *********************************************************************** Dale M. Webb, DVM, PhD * 97% of the body is water. The Veterinary Diagnostic Center * other 3% keeps you from drowning. University of Nebraska, Lincoln * " 2435,2,"From: goo@cup.hp.com (Mike Goo) Subject: Re: Visual c++ Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: hpingoo.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino, CA Lines: 30 In article <1rgr7v$6ga@lll-winken.llnl.gov> David A. Fuess writes: >It is correct that VC++ is NOT considered an upgrade for C7. C7 is >basically a DOS product, VC++ is a Windows product. As Windows is not >an upgrade for DOS, it is a separate operating system product line, its >utilities cannot be upgrades for DOS utilities. However, I have also >been told that it is NOT an upgrade for QCWIN, which it should be! You *can* upgrade MSC 7.0 and QCWIN to the Visual C++ products as follows: STANDARD EDITION: List Price $199 Upgrade from QCWin $ 79 Competitive Upgrade $ 99 PROFESSIONAL EDITION: List Price $499 Upgrade from MSC 7.0 $139 Competitive Upgrade* $199 * Includes upgrades from other MS language products like QCWin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Goo | Hewlett-Packard | ""I never try to cover my ass... Information Networks Division | but I certainly support your right to do so!"" 19420 Homestead Road MS 43LT | Cupertino, CA 95014-9974 | goo@hpinddh.cup.hp.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2436,15,"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: Record burning... Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 23 rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) writes: >The movie version >of ""The Last Temptation of Christ"" was so awful that practically no one >would have seen it, or been influenced by its message, had not >conservatives loudly protested its distribution. They unwittingly >created a larger market for the movie. In many places, Christians were sucessful in their attempts to get the films banned, or at least given a very restrictive showing. I have no problem with Christians burning their own pieces of art (though I find it a tragic waste). I do however have a problem with their attempts to censor what I may or may not view. P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza " 2437,2,"From: yaturner@netcom.com (D'arc Angel) Subject: Re: YOWZA: SLOOOOWWWW printing from dos Organization: The Houses of the Holy Lines: 11 I also had a simular problem with by NEC P7, it went away when I turned on the ""print directly to parallel port"" option in the printer setup apallette. -- Mencsh tract und Gott lacht yaturner@netcom.com " 2438,16,"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: WEIRD SCIENCE -- by L. Neil Smith Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 116 Posted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith WEIRD SCIENCE Everyone knows how to tell when a politician is lying: his lips move. What may not be equally obvious is that there are politicians and then there are politicians -- and that the phrase ""political science"" is subject to more than one interpretation. Years ago, we heard how ""scientists"" were worried that a new Ice Age might be coming, and later on that ""nuclear winter"" -- smoke and dust thrown into the atmosphere by full-scale international unpleasantness -- was a possibility. Something like that may even have killed the dinosaurs. What we didn't hear was that no actual data supported any of this, that real-world events (the burning of Kuwaiti oil fields) tended to discredit it, that mostly it was propaganda meant to weaken values that made America the most successful culture in history, and that the dinosaurs probably died of something like the Plague when continents drifted together, exposing them to new germs. We miss a lot like this, unless we listen closely. Prince William Sound, site of the famous oil spill, and Mount St. Helen's weren't supposed to recover from their respective disasters for at least 100 years. That turned out not to be true, although you'd never know it from watching network nightly news or CNN. It doesn't fit their agenda to inform us that the earth is vast and resilient, and that nature is rougher on herself than we could ever be. But for once, the media aren't entirely to blame. As ignorant of science as they are of everything, they trust ""scientists"" to unscrew the inscrutable. The trouble is that today's ""scientists"" have agendas of their own. Nobody in government, that wellspring of scientific wherewithal, is going to offer grants to an investigator who states truthfully that there is no respectable evidence for ""global warming"". The money and power for bureaucrats and politicians lie in mass transit, and they hate the automobile -- blamed as a major cause of the mythical crisis -- as a source of privacy and freedom they find intolerable. The same appears true of ""acid rain"", a deliberate hoax cooked up by the Environmental Protection Agency (which hates private industrial capitalism almost as much as it does your car) and foisted on real scientists through trickery which has depended on specialists in different fields not talking to each other much. The list goes on, always with a common, disreputable thread. ""Ozone depletion"", for which evidence is even more suspect and contradictory than for acid rain or global warming, is no more than a last, desperate attempt to indict private capitalism in an era when state central planning and the command economy have failed and can only find this final, withered leg to teeter on. Decades of anti-nuclear alarmism, resting on foundations of myth and panic-mongering, have failed to erase the fact that nuclear power is the safest, cleanest, most efficient source of energy known to mankind -- and more to the point, that the greater amount of energy there is available to any individual in society, the freer that individual -- and his society -- become. Honest studies on the effects of individual gun ownership and self-defense on crime -- conducted by investigators who began as ideological opponents to those concepts, but which show massive reductions in the latter to be the result of the former -- have been suppressed, most recently by the California state government. And what the media didn't say about recent EPA ""discoveries"" on the effect of ""secondhand smoking"" is that, although some harm to non- smokers may have been detected, it was less (by an order or two of magnitude) than that associated with frying bacon a couple times a week or keeping a pet bird. It's enough to make you wonder whether there was ever anything to the claim that smoking causes cancer. That, of course, is the real threat represented by politically correct science. The world is a dangerous place. It would be nice to know the hazards. I've never believed smoking to be a healthy practice, but, given a lack of credibility on the part of today's science, how am I to decide what to do about it? Nicotine is highly addictive, to that much I can attest from experience. Yet the stress of quitting may be riskier than to continue. There isn't any way to tell, thanks to the corrupting influence of government money on the scientific establishment. Two centuries ago, the Founding Fathers spared us certain agonies to which every other nation in the world has been subject at one time or another, by creating a legal barrier between politics and religion. Each time some short-sighted individual or group has tried to lower the barrier (most recently over the issue of abortion), blood -- real human blood, hot and smoking in the street -- has wound up being shed. Real human blood is being shed over scientific issues, as people's lives are ruined through the loss, to agencies like the EPA, of livelihood, or property it may have taken a lifetime to accumulate, to diseases caused by toxins associated with burning fossil fuels for electrical power, or thanks to bans on things like cyclamates, when they die from the effects of obesity. What we need now, if we hope to survive as a civilization for two more centuries, is another barrier, a Constitutional separation of state and science -- including medicine. Knowledge is valuable; real science won't languish for lack of funding. The money will simply come from contributors unwilling to pay for lies, and everyone will benefit. L. Neil Smith Author: THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN, and (forthcoming) PALLAS LEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4 Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus NRA Life Member My opinions are, of course, my own. " 2439,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: | |I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately |current spending rules don't permit it to be workable. For this to |work it would be necessary for the government to guarantee a certain |minimum amount of business in order to sufficiently reduce the risk |enough to make this attractive to a private firm. Since they |generally can't allocate money except one year at a time, the |government can't provide such a tenant guarantee. Fred. Try reading a bit. THe government does lots of multi year contracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses. They just like to be damn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year contract. THe reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much as they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough Multi year contracts, that it's now cheaper to just finish them out. Look at SSF. THis years funding is 2.2 Billion, 1.8 of which will cover penalty clauses, due to the re-design. pat " 2440,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 40 In article , luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) writes: > In article > > ""Suppose you were part of the `Christian consipracy' which was going to > tell people that Christ had risen. Never mind the stoning, the being > burned alive, the possible crucifixion ... let's just talk about a > scourging. The whip that would be used would have broken pottery, metal, > bone, and anything else that they could find attached to it. You would be > stood facing a wall, with nothing to protect you. ... > scream out in agony that your raw back was being torn at again. You would > say to yourself: `All this for a lie?' And you had 37 more coming. > > ""At the third hit you would scream out that it was all a lie, beg for them > to stop, and tell them that you would swear on your life that it had all > been a lie, if they would only stop...."" No one was ever flogged, beaten, burned, fed to the lions, or killed in any other way because of a belief in the resurrection - sorry to disappoint you. The idea of resurrection is one which can be found in a host of different forms in the religions of antiquity. The problem was not the resurrection which was a mediorce issue for a tiny fragment of the Jewish population (the Saducees) but was a non issues for everyone else. The real problem was that Christians were pacifist and preached there was only one god. When the state operates by a system of divinitation of the emperor - monotheism becomes a capital offense. The Jews were able to get exemption from this, and were also not evangelistic. Christians were far more vocal, and gentile, and hence dangerous and were therefore targets of persecution. Also since Christians were a relatively powerless group, they made good scapegoats as is seen by Nero's blaming them for the burning of Rome. Let's not cloud the issues with the resurrection. randy [I agree with you that Christians were not persecuted specifically because they believed in resurrection. However the beliefs that did cause trouble were dependent on belief in the resurrection of Jesus. Of course the problem with it is that there are alternatives other than a great conspiracy. The most common theory among non-Christians scholars seems to be that the resurrection was a subjective event -- in effect, a delusion. --clh] " 2441,14,"From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian Nntp-Posting-Host: scgraph.afit.af.mil Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 21 The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space. STS 56 1 22621U 93 23 A 93105.06179397 .00044513 00000-0 12649-3 0 230 2 22621 57.0022 147.2850 0004246 288.7332 38.0941 15.92991629 1084 1993 023B 1 22623U 93 23 B 93103.37312705 .00041032 00000-0 11888-3 0 86 2 22623 57.0000 155.1150 0004422 293.4650 66.5967 15.92653917 803 -- Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology " 2442,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 13 ML> From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman) ML> I need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican ML> which upset me. ML> My questions: (1) Should I continue to have this doctor manage my care? That's easy: No. You wouldn't take your computer into a repair shop where they were rude to you, even if they were competent in their business. Why would you take your own body into a ""repair shop"" where the ""repairman"" has such a bad attitude? --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 2443,13,"From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid) Subject: Emphysema question Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: na Lines: 14 A friend of mine is going in later this week for tests to see if has emphysema. His lung capacity has decreased over time. His father died of the disease. He works in woodworking. I believe he has a very occasional cigarette, perhaps one cigarette a day or even less. He tells me this..I've never seen him light up. He has some pretty healthy life style habits, good diet, exercise, meditation, retreats, therapy etc. Anyhow..he is very concerned with this check up. I know really nothing about the disease. I believe it interferes with the lining of the lung being able to exchange oxygen. Is a diagnosis of emphysema a death sentence? If he were to give up smoking entirely would that better his chances for recovery? What are some modern therapies used in people with this disease? I would appreciate any information. Thanks. amigan@cup.portal.com " 2444,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 02/10 - Net Etiquette Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 92 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 2 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Net Etiquette. Related newsgroups, appropriate topics, how to introduce an encryption scheme. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part02 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 2: Net Etiquette This is the second of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here? * Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt? * How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt? * What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here? Read news.announce.newusers and news.answers for a few weeks. Always make sure to read a newsgroup for some time before you post to it. You'll be amazed how often the same question can be asked in the same newsgroup. After a month you'll have a much better sense of what the readers want to see. * Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt? No. In fact some newsgroups (notably misc.legal.computing) were created exactly so that political questions like ``Should RSA be patented?'' don't get in the way of technical discussions. Many sci.crypt readers also read misc.legal.computing, comp.org.eff.talk, comp.patents, sci.math, comp.compression, et al.; for the benefit of people who don't care about those other topics, try to put your postings in the right group. Questions about microfilm and smuggling and other non-cryptographic ``spy stuff'' don't belong in sci.crypt either. * How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt? ``I just came up with this neat method of encryption. Here's some ciphertext: FHDSIJOYW^&%$*#@OGBUJHKFSYUIRE. Is it strong?'' Without a doubt questions like this are the most annoying traffic on sci.crypt. If you have come up with an encryption scheme, providing some ciphertext from it is not adequate. Nobody has ever been impressed by random gibberish. Any new algorithm should be secure even if the opponent knows the full algorithm (including how any message key is distributed) and only the private key is kept secret. There are some systematic and unsystematic ways to take reasonably long ciphertexts and decrypt them even without prior knowledge of the algorithm, but this is a time-consuming and possibly fruitless exercise which most sci.crypt readers won't bother with. So what do you do if you have a new encryption scheme? First of all, find out if it's really new. Look through this FAQ for references and related methods. Familiarize yourself with the literature and the introductory textbooks. When you can appreciate how your cryptosystem fits into the world at large, try to break it yourself! You shouldn't waste the time of tens of thousands of readers asking a question which you could have easily answered on your own. If you really think your system is secure, and you want to get some reassurance from experts, you might try posting full details of your system, including working code and a solid theoretical explanation, to sci.crypt. (Keep in mind that the export of cryptography is regulated in some areas.) If you're lucky an expert might take some interest in what you posted. You can encourage this by offering cash rewards---for instance, noted cryptographer Ralph Merkle is offering $1000 to anyone who can break Snefru-4---but there are no guarantees. If you don't have enough experience, then most likely any experts who look at your system will be able to find a flaw. If this happens, it's your responsibility to consider the flaw and learn from it, rather than just add one more layer of complication and come back for another round. A different way to get your cryptosystem reviewed is to have the NSA look at it. A full discussion of this procedure is outside the scope of this FAQ. Among professionals, a common rule of thumb is that if you want to design a cryptosystem, you have to have experience as a cryptanalyst. " 2445,6,"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) Subject: Various COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO items wanted as of 4/16 Lines: 63 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 63 Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items. If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me: EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu Phone (703)552-4381 USMail Michael Beck 1200 Progress Street #5500E Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc) ~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used) 1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used) 1 Macintosh computer 1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used) 1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used) 1 101 key-AT keyboard 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive 1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series 1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL 1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used) 1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386 1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive 2 17"" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital mult. XT's, AT's and laptop systems to go to Russia NON-COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 drum set mult. amps for a band 1 TV - 27"" or bigger, stereo 1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo 1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound capability 1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please 1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints " 2446,1,"From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) Subject: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Thanks, Ed -- Ed Bolson University of Washington Cardiovascular Research (206)543-4535 bolson@u.washington.edu (preferred) bolson@max.bitnet bolson@milton.u.washington.edu (if you must) " 2447,14,"From: claice@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Farmer Ted) Subject: Re: Space Debris Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 14 > There is this buy at NASA Langley... YES! Give me his name I would greatly appreciate it. Rich ""The Earth is a cradle of the mind. But, we cannot live forever in a cradle"" K.E. Tsiolkovski Father of Russian Astronautics " 2448,4,"From: glalonde@watson.ibm.com Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 18 Reply-To: glalonde@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: xlalonde.torolab.ibm.com Organization: IBM Toronto Lab > >As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card >(32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU). >Regular price is $199. > >No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is >interested (I found their ad in MacUser). > Can some people with cache cards PLEASE post speedometer numbers they get with the cards. I have only one report, which seems to indicate that a 32K cache card gives you only about a 1% speedup!! Access to memory takes LONGER when you have a cache card(and get a miss) thus a small cache card of 32K may be worth $0. I don't know what kind of numbers 64K cards get you. Also I found it interesting that you can disable the cache cards via software(read about it in the Mac IIsi tech notes from ftp.apple.com) So is $99 a good deal or not, I still don't know. " 2449,17,"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 13 cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: # Well said Mr. Beyer :) He-he. The great humanist speaks. One has to read Mr. Salah's posters, in which he decribes Jews as ""sons of pigs and monkeys"", keeps promising the ""final battle"" between Muslims and Jews (in which the stons and the trees will ""cry for the Muslims to come and kill the Jews hiding behind them""), makes jokes about Jews dying from heart attacks etc, to realize his objective stance on the matters involved. -Danny Keren. " 2450,16,"From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) Subject: Senator Patty Murrey's tax proposal Organization: Boeing Lines: 19 If you haven't heard yet, US Senator Patty Murrey, a Mom in tennis shoes, is planning to introduce legislation to tax all handgun transactions and increase dealer licnese costs in order to raise money to cover the costs of un-insured shooting victums. She plans to start with $2500.00 per year dealer fees and $40.00 or so, depending on the type of firearm, per gun transaction. She plans to make it federal. She was elected in Washington state under the trade mark as just a mom in tennis shoes. She can be written to via the United States Senate, Washinton DC. She is looking for your tennis shoes. So if you have a pair please send them to her with your feelings regarding this tax. She claims she has heard little from the opposition. Lets inundate her! -- BIGOT! The definition of a bigot is a conservative winning an argument! " 2451,4,"From: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) Subject: sony 1304 & Rasterops 24sx(si) for SALE! - UPDATE!! Article-I.D.: geraldo.1qoddq$2p7 Reply-To: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) Distribution: usa Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu Originator: djk@tramp.cc.utexas.edu Hello fellow humans, and other net creatures... If you're at all interested in this merchandise, please e-mail me: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu I'm compacting my system and moving to a single monitor system, so I have two monitors and cards for sale. Nothing at all is wrong with these pieces, I'm just wanting to conserve desk space, and get all of my info from one screen. I'd prefer to sell to people near Austin and surrounding areas (within driving distance - like an hour away perhaps), but I CAN ship to you if you don't live near here. Only problem is that I didn't keep the original boxes for the monitors, but I'm confident that my few months of full-time service in the shipping room will enable me to safely package the monitors and flip it in your direction. Details: Mirror Full Page Display (monochrome) w/nubus card: --------------------------------------------------- **SOLD** Sony 1304 14"" color monitor: ---------------------------- What's to say? It got top ratings in last year's MacUser report. It's a SONY, Trinitron, arguably the best (but I'd rather not argue that point). It's a great monitor, in great shape, but I'm going to a bigger screen, and although I'd like to keep it, finances don't justify it. Still selling for $599 at MacLand (where I bought it originally - not including shipping), will sell for **$475** (plus shipping). Again, make an offer if that sounds unreasonable. RasterOps 24si (24-bit accelerated, hardware zoom/pan, 4 meg RAM): ------------------------------------------------------------------ Renamed the 24sx a few months after I bought it, this board is for 13"" monitors, providing **accelerated 24-bit**, hardware zoom/pan, NTSC mode (you can plug it into something like the RasterOps Video Expander and output NTSC), and 4 RAM slots that use 1 meg or 4 meg SIMMS for GWorld RAM, or a RAM disk. Software included for such functions. 4 meg of RAM included (1 meg SIMMS). Selling for $605 at Bottom Line (without the RAM - add $100), I'm asking **$525** (shipping included this time, it's just a card). Original box and packaging. I'd actually prefer to sell the Sony monitor and this card together, so if you want both, drop me e-mail and make a ""bundled offer"" for these items. ------------ Cheers. dan keldsen - djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student? Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death? Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer? M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer? " 2452,19,"From: foster@mtechca.maintech.com Subject: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s. Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA. Lines: 64 In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes: [ a lot of religious opinions and quotations from the Bible and from many Catholic theologians and Papal Bulls ] [ which, although introduced with a smiley, was not as funny as it might have been (notable exception: subject headers such as ""ONE'S DICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION."" ] [ and indeed, the posting seemed to be more a vehicle for the religious text than for any ""literary/moral analysis"" ] I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're- The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought that Catholics behaved better than this. Friend Dennis, I urge you to follow the example of your fellow Catholics, of who I count many dozens as my friends, and practice your faith through good example and decent living and respect for the common humanity of others. Please do not stoop to the level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud, insulting and overbearingly self-righteous. The imagery in the Song of Solomon is a little bit dated (get it? Middle East - date palms - oh, never mind) but apparently acceptable, on a steaminess level, to be accepted as part of the canon. From this fact I derive that erotica itself is not incompatible with Catholic doctrine. Is there such a thing as Catholic erotica? Not necessarily a love story between people of that faith, but a love story that is not exploitative, does not seek redemption through penis size, pays proper respect to the dignity of each partner, and is still erotic enough to have a place on a.s.s. I would submit that the _Darknites_ series of stories qualify, also most of the _Journal Entries_, and _Rings I and II_. I would guess that your aim is to cut down on the pornography and increase the erotica. I actually agree with you that nearly all of the ""I've got an enormous dick, and I shot my wad all over her face"" stories are crap. I count them as noise, which makes my take on the signal-to-noise ration much lower than many other people's. Since you are one of the few posters here who can actually write decent prose, could you write a few stories for us instead of overwhelming us with commentary? > Anyway, this is a big subject. PLEASE add your comments, > additions and observations. > > Sincerely, > > dennis > dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu > -- Thank you. Jeff foster@mtechca.maintech.com " 2453,13,"From: lindae@netcom.com Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 87 In article <19392@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article lindae@netcom.com writes: > >> >>My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most >>people with dizziness can be cured. That's definitely not the >>case. In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious >>process that may or may not end up in a partial cure. >> > >Be sure to say ""chronic"" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most >patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. >The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go >away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear. All true. And all good points. > >>To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation >>thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this... >>just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's >>nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your > >This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general >advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with >your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge >for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these >then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical >problem may divert that energy from more productive things >in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself >that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes >clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine >has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join >the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to >make a career out of it. Well, making a career out of it is a bit strong. I still believe that doing your own research is very, very necessary. I would not have progressed as much as I have today, unless I had spent the many hours in Stanford's Med Library as I have done. And 5 years ago, it was clear that there was no medicine that would help me. So should I have stopped searching. Thank goodness I didn't. Now I found that there is indeed medicine that helps me. I think that what you've said is kind of idealistic. That you would go to one doctor, get a diagnosis, maybe get a second opinion, and then move on with your life. Just as an example... having seen 6 of the top specialists in this field in the country, I have received 6 different diagnoses. These are the top names, the ones that people come to from all over the country. I have HAD to sort all of this out myself. Going to a support group (and in fact, HEADING that support group) was helpful for a while, but after a point, I found it very unproductive. It was much more productive to do library research, make phone calls and put together the pieces of the puzzle myself. A recent movie, Lorenzo's Oil, offers a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it, you should. It's not a put down of doctor's and neither is what I'm saying. Doctors are only human and can only do so much. But there are those of us out here who are intelligent and able to sometimes find a missing piece of the puzzle that might have otherwise gone unnoticed. I guess I'm biased because dizziness is one of those weird things that is still so unknown. If I had a broken arm, or a weak heart, or failing kidneys, I might not have the same opinion. That's because those things are much more tangible and have much more concise definitions and treatments. With dizziness, you just have to decide to live with it or decide to live with it while trying to find your way out of it. I have chosen the latter. Linda lindae@netcom.netcom.com > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2454,3,"From: john@wa3wbu.UUCP (John Gayman) Subject: Another happy Gateway owner Organization: WA3WBU, Marysville, PA Lines: 43 Since I've been seeing all kinds of complaints regarding Gateways lately on here, I thought I post my recent pleasant experiences. My machine (4DX2-66V) this past Friday. This was two weeks to the DAY from when I called the order in. Upon unboxing it I found everything to be in perfect order. All the peripherals I ordered were properly installed (Jumbo-250 & CD-ROM). I was very impressed with the quantity and quality of the Gateway documentation. All software came with the original disks and manuals. The Gateway manual itself is in a nice 3-ring binder. The ATI GUP came with build59 drivers. All other software I specified (Microsoft Office) was properly installed. The machine came right up out of the box and has been performing flawlessly. It's been on all weekend and it hardly even reaches room temperature. I think the big roomy tower case has a lot to do with it. It's up and running DOS 6.0 with no problems. I've also read about some people having problems with high speed serial communications. I used the DOS 6.0 InterLink program which lets me link to my old computer via a serial port at 115.2K baud. It then ""maps"" the other machines two hard disks as my disks F & G. You can ""cd"" to these drives and either run programs or copy files. It's almost like a peer-peer lan except you can also *run* programs on the other machine. It's not a two way street. The other machine is the server and this machine is the client. So thats where it seems to differ from the peer to peer stuff. For a bundled DOS utility its very impressive. My Jumbo-250 took about 11 minutes to back up 117MB of data. I also by-passed any potential Gateway monitor problems by taking the $430 credit and applying it towards a NEC 4FG. I love this monitor! So, I'm glad there is some good news Gateway stories and I'm glad it was me. (Now if it just KEEPS working). :-) John -- John Gayman, WA3WBU UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john Packet: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH " 2455,5,"From: mmc@cs.rit.edu (Mahendra M Chheda) Subject: How can I rotate text ? Nntp-Posting-Host: mackinac Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Hi, I am programming in XView, SunOS 4.1.2 & OpenWindows 3.0. I would like to rotate some text and display it. I did read the FAQ in comp.windows.x but am not sure how do I translate it to XView. I would appreciate if someone can give me tips on how to do it. Thanx. - Mahendra. PS : As I am not a frequent news group reader, I would appreciate if answers/replies would be mailed to me. I will post a follow-up. -- *************************************************************************** Mahendra Chheda # mmc@cs.rit.edu # mmc7274@ritvax.isc.rit.edu # # Office : # Residence : Dept. of Computer Science # 440 Kimball Drive Rochester Institute of Tech. # Rochester, NY 14623 Tel. 716-475-2079 # Tel. 716-292-5726 *************************************************************************** " 2456,12,From: gould@waterloo.hp.com (Dan Gould) Subject: Telephone Controlled Power Bar Needed Nntp-Posting-Host: hppadan.waterloo.hp.com Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] Lines: 16 I would appreciate some help in locating a telephone controlled power bar for my PC. The unit would power up the PC when the telephone rings and keep it up as long as the telephone connection is present. I also need to be able to power up this same PC through the use of an external timer. I can supply power or a contact closure to do this. I will summarize and post the results of this query here. Thank you. -- Dan Gould gould@waterloo.hp.com 2457,19,"From: parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Keywords: Success Lines: 140 Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT I told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead. The FBI and the BATF could not let a man like that live. He was a testimonial to their stupidity and lies. Now before everyone gets crazy with me, let me say that Koresh was crazy as a bed bug, but out government was crazier...and they lied to us. They told us compound had been under survaillance for quite some time. Yet, whoever was watching the place failed to see that Koresh went jogging and into town on a regular basis. Everyone in the area claimed to have seen him and wondered why they didn't pick him up then. There are two possible answers. First, they didn't see him. What kind of survaillance is that? Second, they didn't care. They wanted a confrontation. They wanted publicity and they got it. After the first battle, they told us that they did not know he knew they were coming. They also said it would have been foolish to go in knowing that. Well, we know now that they intercepted the informants call and went in anyway. Did they explore all of the possibilities for ending the seige? According to them they did, but according to the Hartford Courant, the woman that raised Koresh (His Grandmother) was not allowed to go in and see him. The FBI agent who she spoke with was Bob Ricks and according to the paper he said: ""A lot of people think if you just talk to them logically they will come out. His grandmother raised Vernon Howell; (Koresh's Real name) she didn't raise David Koresh."" Someone who raises you and loves you does not speak to you strickly on a logical level. There is also an emotional level on which they can reach you. Here's another one. All during this operation the FBI has been claiming that they feared a mass suicide and that is one of the reasons that something must be done. Now they claim they never thought he would do it? I knew they were going to do something when they started talking about how much money this was costing. That was the start of the ""Justification"" part part of the plan. That's when I knew it would come soon. But, back to the plan. It is considered ""Cruel and Unusal Punishment"" to execute criminals in the minds of many people, but look at what's acceptable. They knew the parents (adults) had gas masks. They did not know, or were not sure, if the children had them. So the plan was to pour the gas into the compound. The mothers, seeing what the gas was doing to their children were supposed to run out and that would only leave the men to deal with. I spent two years in the army and like everyother veteran I went through CBR (Chemical, Biological Radiological) warfare training. Part of that training is going into a room filled with the same stuff that the children were subjected to. To make the stuff really interesting the gas also has a chemical agent that irritates the skin. You think its on fire. I have no doubts the children would become hysterical. Its not the kind of thing you never want to do again. This was the plan, the final solution. We waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these people 51 days. I stated on several occasions that there was absolutely nothing in this whole thing that the government could point to as a success. Well, FBI agent Ricks changed my mind. Again a newclip from the Hartford Courant: ""And while expressing regret at the loss of life, he suggested that the operation had been at least a modified success because not a single federal shot had been fired and not a single federal agent had been hurt."" It took 17 dead children to get us that new definition of success. One more thought. The government claimed that they believed he had automatic weapons on the premises. HE HAD A LICENSE FOR THE 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN! THEY KNEW DAMN WELL HE HAD ONE. THEY ALSO KNEW HE HAD IT LEGALLY! Still, without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him. For all of this my President takes full responsibility. What a guy! I hope he gets it. In article , exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) writes: > In article <11974@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >>Before you go absolving the BATF & FBI of all blame in this incident, you should >>probably be aware of two important facts. >>1. There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas. Tear gas is non-breathable >> remaining in it's presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually >> by siezures and death. Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people >> they exposed?? Any potential heart problems among the B-D's?? > > No doubt it is dangerous stuff when concentrated. > >>2. Have you ever seen a tear gas canister?? Tear gas is produced by burning a >> chemical in the can. The fumes produced are tear gas. The canister has a >> warning printed on the side of it. ""Contact with flamable material can result >> in fire."" Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building >> they admited was a fire-trap?? > > None. They used non-incindiary methods, which means they produced the gas > outside the building and pumped it in via the tanks. > > --- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS------- > > ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible. > > Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138 > exuptr@exu.ericsson.se ""Don't let the .se fool you"" " 2458,9,"From: kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 34 In <1993Apr15.214133.3371@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: >I Love it how all of these people are ""blaming"" the Phillies success >on a weak division. Why don't we look at the record of the teams in >each division (READ: Inter-Divisional Play), we'll see that the East >is really kicking the shit out of the West. I know it is early, but >that is all we have to go on. Atlanta is just so strong with their >.188 BA, Cincinnati is 2-7 coming off a sweep at Veteran's Stadium in >Philadelphia, and Houston was swept in it's first three games by the >Phillies in the Astrodome. That, my Western Division friends, shows >that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you >think!! Or you may be posting this WAY TOO EARLY and be eating your words by mid-season. C'mon, the Phillies haven't proved anything yet. Atlanta was similar to the Phils 2 years ago. They sucked. They started having a good year, but didn't get any respect until they actually won the division. (which is how it should be) So until the Phils AT LEAST have a good year, not just a good 2 weeks, they won't get any respect either. BTW, Atlanta's .188 BA is actually a compliment to how good the Braves really are. Their record is 6-3. Can you imagine the Phils record if they were batting .188? hahahaha. And Atlanta's hitting will improve dramatically. No, I'm not a Braves fan. Just defending a good team. Orin. Bradley U. >PHILS ALL THE WAY IN '93 >BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB >REDS NEED MARGE > -BOB -- I'm really a jester in disguise! " 2459,13,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Twitching eyelid Summary: Different cause Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 9 I'm surprised nobody mentioned that twitching of the eyelid can be a symptom of an infection, especially if it also itches or stings. (It happened to me, and antibiotic eyedrops cleared it up nicely.) -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** " 2460,4,"From: dbell@coral.bucknell.edu (Dave Bell) Subject: I need modem selection help! (especially vocabulary) Organization: Bucknell University Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macf61.bucknell.edu I've recently ordered a Centris 650 and need to decide on which modem to buy. I'm pretty sure I want to get a fax/data modem that can run at 14.4k, but is it worth it? I'll primarily only be 'conversing' over CompuServe or some other link to the Internet, but I'm not sure if those systems can supply ME with data at 14.4k. Another question I have is in some of the modem lingo out there. I understand baud rates, but what does V3.4 and V3.4bis mean? I could really use some suggestions as to what a good modem for around $300 would be, and why it would be a good choice. Thanks for your time. Dave Bell dbell@coral.bucknell.edu ""Those who forget the past are condemned to re-live it."" --Duncan MacLeod " 2461,10,"From: Karim Edvard Ahmed Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: > Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL >franchise in the first place! > Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY >(hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care >to come up and film the event?) > Yee haa Golden Gophers >Whatta weird town!!!!! What's with you stupid dorks from the ""Western Business School""???!!! First there was that Cary asshole, and now you. Don't you have anything better to do instead of being obnoxious, antagonistic little shits over the network??? Why don't you just take a hike, and stop embarrasing yourself, your school, and Canada! -KEA " 2462,11,"From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Lines: 21 Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every aspect of our lives. Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for privacy technology. One small step at a time. Wait a minute.... Let me think about this. Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We've nothing to fear. They're here to help us. God bless America. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2463,16,"From: kratz@cs.uiuc.edu (Jason Kratz) Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Distribution: usa Lines: 52 In <1993Apr16.202441.16032@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >>people are getting killed by gang violence every day? Every single day I hear >>about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons >>that are being confiscated. >Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16 >from an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and >a full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various >versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9? Well, let me see. UZI, no. M-11/9, no. M-16/AR-15, maybe. I remember there being a selector swtich on the AR-15. If I remember correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) the switch would set to an ""off"" position or an ""on"" position because the gun (AR-15) is semi-automatic. Wouldn't the M-16 have a position for semi-auto fire and full-auto fire (or maybe 3 round bursts)? If this is correct wouldn't it be easy to distinguish each gun by this alone? Of course if the AR-15 were modified to full-auto fire I wouldn't think it would be that easy but I'm talking about distinguishing between an unmodified AR-15 and M-16. How about the other guns? Do they also have selector switch to switch between semi-auto and fully-auto fire? >If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate >that Kratz is blowing smoke. >Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like >another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's >quite common.... >Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out >that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it >looked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been >different with Kratz. Actually it was pretty hard for the kids in my neighborhood to figure that out as Richard Petty lived in my neighborhood and left his stock car in the driveway. ;-) >>Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference? >No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the >outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact >that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much. Well, what about what I said above? If that is correct I guess TV would be acceptable (if you had a good enough picture and a picture of the lower receiver of the AR-15/M-16). >-andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private >-- Jason Kratz <- didn't take andy's offer to back down in private " 2464,11,"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Distribution: inet Lines: 12 Quoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>: >Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it >was posted encrypted? >These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the EFF. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! " 2465,7,"From: rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record? Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.249.27.175 I was in the great storm.....my Mazda MPV was damaged so bad they are going to replace the top, doors and hood. It is Black so they will repaint the entire vehicle...estimated cost around $7000 and repair time approx. 3 to 4 weeks. rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu " 2466,8,"From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster ) Subject: FOR SALE Nntp-Posting-Host: sunsol.mlb.semi.harris.com Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL Keywords: FOR SALE Lines: 44 I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU. This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused. Always garaged. 1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue) factory 1200cc conversion kit less than 8000 miles Branch ported and polished big valve heads Screamin Eagle carb Screamin Eagle cam adjustable pushrods Harley performance mufflers tachometer new Metzeler tires front and rear Progressive front fork springs Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar everything chromed O-ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat new Die-Hard battery bike cover price: $7000.00 phone: hm 407/254-1398 wk 407/724-7137 Melbourne, Florida " 2467,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 18 In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your >crypto keys? I wouldn't. I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure. Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 2468,7,"From: tspila@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Spila {Romulan}) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr21.034751.23512@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu) writes: >We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications. >In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from >the exhaust gas. Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this >thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology. Ok, I'll bite. How is this supposed to work? Tim. " 2469,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Why Spanky? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 27 boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) writes: >On Mon, 12 Apr 93 00:53:14 GMT in <<1993Apr12.005314.5700@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>> Greg Spira (gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: >:>Does anybody in the Pittsburgh area know why Mike LaValliere was released? >:>Last year I kept saying that Slaught should get the bulk of the playing time, >:>that he was clearly the better player at this point, but Leyland insisted on >:>keeping a pretty strict platoon. And now he is released? That doesn't >:>make any sense to me. >Greg, > The story goes like this: > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and >Prince is coming along nicely! Well, my question still hasn't been answered: if Spanky was bad enough to release this year, why did he get so much playing time last year? Yes, I know he was part of a platoon, and that's why he got more playing time than Slaught, but that doesn't answer the question. If Slaught was so obviously better this year, wasn't this also obvious last year, and shouldn't he have been taking away some of Spanky's playing time against righties? Greg " 2470,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Supply-Sider Lightbulb Joke Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 16 lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes: > There was once the following joke: > How many supply-siders does it take to screw in a light bulb? > None. They let the free market do it. If the free market places an attractive price on the screwing in of a light bulb, you can bet your bottom dollar that the light bulb will most certainly get screwed in -- and most promptly at that, too. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 2471,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 29 geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes: >Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were >responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the >new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and >Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay >the body at the proper door to start with. The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so obviously doing. I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it and brought it to fruition. Both of the major parties have what they consider excellent reasons for limiting your freedoms and violating your privacy, and even seem to feel that they're doing you a favor. If this is really surprising to anyone it means they've been willfully ignoring quite a bit of previous evidence. There's only one political party (not calling anarchists a party) that considers your freedom and privacy goals worthy in and of themselves. If you're voting for the big two, you're supporting a reduction of those rights (given their goals and their histories), regardless of whether you personally support that reduction. To paint Clinton and Gore as unwitting tools is really stretching things. -- When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. -- Churchill " 2472,2,"From: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 64 In article <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes: >From: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) >Subject: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... >Keywords: printer >Date: 18 Apr 93 04:17:41 GMT >Hello fellow 'netters. >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson. >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad. >Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is >readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). >-- >Sincerely, >Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu >""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" >""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision > revised?!?!"" All right. Not saying I know any more than the average salesguy, I'll give your question a shot. The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not toner. But that should go without saying. My PC has very little memory (only 2Meg RAM), so the BJ-200 takes a little while to print ----- but every application I use takes a while to run. Once the computer is solely printing, it purs like a kitten and puts pages out every 15-30 seconds, depending on how detailed your graphics are. The BJ-200 can do Windows soft fonts. I'm assuming that the DeskJet can, or HP wouldn't sell many...... Size is another factor. The BJ-200 is much smaller, but the HP is built like a tank. I bet the BJ-200 would get damaged first. Finally, the print quality. I LOVE the BJ-200's resolution. It looks like a good laser quality print. The HP's I've used.....they look like ink. Not as impressive. So, I chose the Canon. Any other opinions? " 2473,5,"From: dscheck@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Scheck) Subject: imake on DOS and Windows Summary: porting imake to DOS Keywords: imake Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Lines: 6 Has anyone had experience porting imake to DOS using a Microsoft, Watcom, or any other DOS compiler? Since I do not have easy access to News, a response to 'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated. " 2474,12,"From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com Subject: Re: Need Info on DSP project Nf-ID: #R:ee.ualberta.ca:735344986:trsvax:288200082:000:164 Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls Apr 21 09:31:00 1993 Lines: 6 Motorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It could be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K development system. " 2475,2,"From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Lines: 16 In <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >if anyone else had seen this. Sporadically, yes. It seems to flicker, or change shape into snow briefly. Not enough to impair functionality, just call attention to Diamond's professional sloppiness. Rob -- Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... " 2476,1,"From: ken@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) Subject: images of earth Nntp-Posting-Host: cab101.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 14 I am looking for some graphic images of earth shot from space. ( Preferably 24-bit color, but 256 color .gif's will do ). Anyways, if anyone knows an FTP site where I can find these, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could pass the information on. Thanks. ( please send email ). Ken Huisman ken@cs.ualberta.ca " 2477,5,"From: smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) Subject: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!! Organization: UN*X Technologies Lines: 15 Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development for X applications in an NT environment. If you are porting InterViews over to MS Windows, I thought InterViews was a C++ toolkit with C++ classes. If that is so, how can it be built on Xlib, unless the classes are calling Xlib functions? Steve -- Steven Mikes - Editor - The X Journal 1097 Eastbrook Rd., Martinsville, NJ 08836 OFFICE: 908.563.9033 - FAX: 908.560.8635 ""Serving The X Window System Community"" " 2478,12,"From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Blakey) Subject: FTP sites anyone? Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 7 Hello netters:) Does anyone out there know any FTP sites for projects, plans, etc of an electrical nature? -Jason -- ............................................................................ Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca " 2479,0,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: some thoughts. In-Reply-To: healta@saturn.wwc.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02: 51:29 GMT Organization: Compaq Computer Corp Lines: 47 >>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02:51:29 GMT, healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) said: TRH> I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' TRH> ve given me. But you have been courteous and therefore received courtesy in return. This person instead has posted one of the worst arguments I have ever seen made from the pro-Christian people. I've known several Jesuits who would laugh in his face if he presented such an argument to them. Let's ignore the fact that it's not a true trilemma for the moment (nice word Maddi, original or is it a real word?) and concentrate on the liar, lunatic part. The argument claims that no one would follow a liar, let alone thousands of people. Look at L. Ron Hubbard. Now, he was probably not all there, but I think he was mostly a liar and a con-artist. But look at how many thousands of people follow Dianetics and Scientology. I think the Baker's and Swaggert along with several other televangelists lie all the time, but look at the number of follower they have. As for lunatics, the best example is Hitler. He was obviously insane, his advisors certainly thought so. Yet he had a whole country entralled and came close to ruling all of Europe. How many Germans gave their lives for him? To this day he has his followers. I'm just amazed that people still try to use this argument. It's just so obviously *wrong*. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 2480,0,"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 32 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: syndicoot.engin.umich.edu In article <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes: [deletions] >> Now, back to your post. You have done a fine job at using >> your seventh grade 'life science' course to explain why >> bad diseases are caused by Satan and good things are a >> result of God. But I want to let you in on a little secret. >> ""We can create an amino acid sequence in lab! -- And guess >> what, the sequence curls into a helix! Wow! That's right, >> it can happen without a supernatural force."" > >Wow! All it takes is a few advanced science degrees and millions >of dollars of state of the art equipment. And I thought it took >*intelligence* to create the building blocks of life. Foolish me! People with advanced science degrees use state of the art equipment and spend millions of dollars to simulate tornadoes. But tornadoes do not require intelligence to exist. Not only that, the equipment needed is not really 'state of the art.' To study the *products*, yes, but not to generate them. >If you want to be sure that I read your post and to provide a >response, send a copy to Jim_Brown@oz.bmd.trw.com. I can't read >a.a. every day, and some posts slip by. Thanks. Oh, I will. :-> Sincerely, Ray Ingles || The above opinions are probably || not those of the University of ingles@engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet. " 2481,14,"From: Mehrtens_T@msm.cdx.mot.com Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Nntp-Posting-Host: tom_mac.prds.cdx.mot.com Organization: Motorola_Codex Lines: 25 In article <1qkmkiINNep3@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes: >> >>There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, >>this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. > >Damn! So it was YOU who was drinking beer with ROBERT McELWANE in the PARKING >LOT of the K-MART! > Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? > -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- They just tore down the Kmart near my house (putting in a new suptermarket). I heard that there is a beer drinking ghost who still haunts the place! 8-{) Tom I liked this one I read a while ago... ""Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon."" As if we wouldn't notice... " 2482,5,"From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Allocated colors... Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 20 Can anyone out there tell me how to get the total number of color cells allocated in the default colormap? e.g. colormap = DefaultColormap(mydisplay, myscreen); The MAXIMUM number of allocated cells is given by DefaultCells(mydisplay, myscreen), but in general the number of cells actually allocated will be much less than this, depending on the color requirements of the windows currently in place. I'd like a way to determine this number. Thanks in advance! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- " 2483,3,"From: shenx@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (xiangxin shen ) Subject: Re: What is AT BUS CLK Speed? Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.160915.22866@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> is81056@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Shi Hwu) writes: >Robert Desonia (robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote: > >: S >There is one param in the bios setup that says AT BUS CLK. I have >: S >it set to the default of 4, but was able to get it to work with 3. >: S >The SI at 3 was 142.something. I didnt want to mess anything up >: S >so I set it back to 4. Also, the PC didnt boot with it set at 2. >: S > >: S >What exactlt dows this do, and should I leave it at 4? > >I think it's impossible to let AT-Bus operated too much more than >8MHz. I have a C & T Neat 286-20 mother board, And I set the AT-BUS >clock to 10 MHz, but the HD stopped when it boot. So it's correct >that CLK/n means how many wait states. > > Sm. I think it all depends on your motherboard and the cards you have in your system. Your HD stopped boot probably because your HD controller can't handle the faster BUS speed. I have a 486-33DX, I set my bus divider to CLK/2.5, that is close to 13MHz. I can gain singificant performace increase on my Video card and harddisk transfer rate when I boost the bus speed. And my system work flawlessly under this setting. And you know what, when I go to CLK/2(17MHz BUS), my HD refuse to boot. Just my 2 cent. Jim " 2484,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Origins of the bible. Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 14 Adda Wainwright writes: >He stated that thousands of bibles were discovered at a certain point in >time which were syllable-perfect. This therefore meant that there must have >been one copy at a certain time; the time quoted by my acquaintance was >approximately 50 years after the death of Jesus. This is, as far as I know, complete nonsense. The codification of the bible as we have it now came very much later. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 2485,9,"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY Lines: 97 maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr19.053221.11240@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: >>>Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their >>>fingers. >>Yah. So? >>>Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his >>>future. >>He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow >>in the World Series? All of the ones he started? >He certainly did earn it! He was a valuable member of the Blue Jay team. Not particularly *in* the World Series. During the season, he was probably more valuable than, say, putting Olerud out there to pitch, but yeah, he *was* valuable in getting them there. In the postseason, he sucked dirty canal water through a straw. The Jays won *in spite* of Morris much more than *because of* him. >>>Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. >>Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. >Your definition of ""better"" refers to some measurement on a scale that >has nothing to do with winning WS rings. Umm, Roger? Return with us to those halcyon days of a few postings ago, where the poster Valentine was replying to used # of WS rings as a measure of better. The concept is called ""context"", and you should really become familiar with it someday. >The facts are that Morris >has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club. >Clemens hasn't. Unless this transaltes to ""Clemens hasn't gone into Lou Gorman's office with a large caliber handgun and refused to come out until he'd been traded to the Jays,"" I'm at a complete loss as to any possible meaning for it. >You can go on about what Clemens has done in the >past and claim that he is ""better"" than Morris if you want to. But >the facts are that Morris has shown us that he can win and Clemens >hasn't. What on earth does this mean? Over their careers, Clemens has ""won"" 68% of the games he's started, Morris 58%. Per year, Clemens has averaged nearly 17 wins, Morris just under 15. Would you grant the proposition that preventing the other team from scoring increases your chances of winning a game? If so, then consider that Clemens allows 2.8 runs/9 innings pitched. Morris allows nearly a run more per nine innings. In fact, Jack Morris has never in his career had an ERA for a single year as good as Clemens' career ERA. But I forget, in the Maynardverse there was obviously some mystical significance to Buckner missing that grounder in 1986; had Morris been on the Sox, it would have been a routine groundout, right? >Whether or not Clemens is better by your standard of measurement >is totally meaningless. The object of the game is not to compile >high figures in statistics that you have chosen to feel are important. >The object of the game is to contribute to WS victories. But this >has been patiently explained to you many, many times and you are >either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it. Speaking of stupid, it has been patiently (and not-so-patiently) explained to you many times that attributing greatness to players based on the accomplishments of their teams makes about as much sense as claiming that a racecar has the most attractive paint job because it won the race. Your continued failure to not only understand but even to intelligently reply to any of the arguments presented leads me to the conclusion that you must have spent a few too many games in goal without a mask. >>Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and >>Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would >>have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is >>due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. >Yes and the dog would have caught the rabbit too...forget about what >didn't happen and open your eyes, for once, and look out there and >see what is REALLY happening. Forget about how Morris ""shouldn't"" >have won 21 with an ERA over 4. >When Morris pitched, last year, the Jays won. Stop crying about it and >get on with life. No one is crying; the Jays won, and as a team they certainly deserved to win at least the AL East. They performed well in two short series and won the World Series, and I congratulate them for it. As a Red Sox fan, I hope they keep Morris. I was happy when they picked up Stewart, and elated when they traded for Darrin Jackson. You see, unless you believe in some mystical link between Morris and the offense, you can hardly help but believe that the man was credited with so many wins last year because he got lucky. Luck runs out, just like it did in 1982 when he pitched 50-odd more innings than 1992, gave up exactly *one* earned run more than in 1992, and went 17-16. Seriously, Roger, I'd really like to hear your explanation of the difference between the 1982 Morris and the 1992 Morris. Which one was a better pitcher, and why? Did Morris somehow ""learn how to win"" in the intervening ten years? If so, then why did he go 18-12 in 1991 with Minnesota with an ERA over half a run lower than 1992? Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Don't be humble, you're not that great. " 2486,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: 5 Apr 93 God's Promise in Psalm 85: 8 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 21 In article psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: > I will hear what God the LORD will speak: > for he will speak peace > unto his people, and to his saints: > but let them not turn again to folly. Psalm85(JPS): For the leader. Of the Korahites. A psalm. O LORD, You will favor Your land, restore Jacob's fortune; You will forgive Your people's iniquity, pardon all their sins; Selah; You will withdraw all Your anger, turn away from Your rage. Turn again, O God, our helper, revoke Your displeasure with us. Will you be angry with us forever, prolong Your wrath for all generations? Surely You will revive us again, so that Your people may rejoice in You. Show us, O LORD, Your faithfulness; grant us Your deliverance. Let me hear what God, the LORD, will speak; He will promise well-being to His people, His faithful ones; may they not turn to folly. His help is very near those who fear Him, to make His glory dwell in our land. Faithfulness and truth meet; justice and well-being kiss. Truth springs up from the earth; justice looks down from heaven. The LORD also bestows His bounty; our land yields its produce. Justice goes before Him as He sets out on His way. " 2487,3,"From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY) Subject: Re: Memory Slot Problem Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 26 In article <1qiijs$t27@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ralf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ralph Valentino) writes: > I finally decided to upgrade my 486-33 EISA's memory from 8 Meg to 16 > Meg - two months after the parts warranty ran out on the (Anigma) > motherboard - two months too late. It seems there's a problem with > one or both of the two 1M/2Mx36bit sim slots in bank B. On boot I get > a pattern test failure at address 0xa00000 and the system deconfigures > the top 6 Meg. The sims are good, I tried rotating all of them into > bank A. On one of the configurations, however, the pattern test ... deletions... > failed at 0x800000. In all tests, the pattern that appeared was the same as the pattern if no sim was in place. This leads me to believe > the one or two of the connector address pins are at fault and, with a > lot of luck, might be patchable. > > -Ralph > =============== > Ralph Valentino (ralf@chpc.org) (ralf@wpi.wpi.edu) > Hardware Engineer, Worcester Polytechnic Institute > Center for High Performance Computing, Marlborough MA Many motherboards have jumpers to enable/disable the memory banks. Did you check that out? Allen mulvey mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu " 2488,19,"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 40 In article , ""David R. Sacco"" writes: > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect > to join. There are just so many. > > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So > convenient that it is burdensome at times. Your last remark is a contradiction, but I'll let that pass. I was addressing the notion of the Great Commission, which you deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies. Thank you, Bing Crosby. Now you go right on back to sleep and mommy and daddy will tuck you in later. Oh, and how convenient his bible must have been to Michael Griffin, how convenient his Christianity. ""Well, I'll just skip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and concentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing something wrong, you should shoot him in the back several times as he tries to hobble away on his crutches."" I'll leave the ""convert or die"" program of the missionaries and their military escorts in the Americas for Nadja to explain as she knows much more about it than I. Must be awfully convenient, by the way, to offer platitudes as you have done, David, rather than addressing the arguments. Dean Kaflowitz " 2489,8,"From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 8 In rec.motorcycles egreen@east.sun.com writes: ;Revving the throttle requires either [dis]engaging the clutch, ;or accelerating. Not if it's a Harley. --- chris " 2490,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Overreacting (was Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 13 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this. > > The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot? >In a new Civil War? Not me -- which is precisely why the government must be cut off at the knees when it pulls stunts like this, lest the situation worsen to the point where extreme measures are required. " 2491,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 19 In article rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes: >Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those >who love him, who are called according to his purpose. > >Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. > >We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on >Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that >matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've always taken Murphy's Law to be an exhortation to prudence, and an observation about the behavior of complex systems, rather than a denial of divine benevolence. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 2492,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 104 THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military arm of Hamas, an Islamic Palestinian group. Hamas figures significantly in the Middle East equation. In December, Israel deported more than 400 Palestinians to Lebanon in response to Hamas's kidnapping and execution of an Israeli soldier. A longer version appears in the May issue of Harper's Magazine, which obtained and translated the tape.) My name is Yasir Hammad al-Hassan Ali. I live in Nuseirat [a refugee camp in the Gaza Strip]. I was born in 1964. I finished high school, then attended Gaza Polytechnic. Later, I went to work for Islamic University in Gaza as a clerk. I'm married and I have two daughters. The Qassam Battalions are the only group in Palestine explicitly dedicated to jihad [holy war]. Our primary concern is Palestinians who collaborate with the enemy. Many young men and women have fallen prey to the cunning traps laid by the [Israeli] Security Services. Since our enemies are trying to obliterate our nation, cooperation with them is clearly a terrible crime. Our most important objective must be to put an end to the plague of collaboration. To do so, we abduct collaborators, intimidate and interrogate them in order to uncover other collaborators and expose the methods that the enemy uses to lure Palestinians into collaboration in the first place. In addition to that, naturally, we confront the problem of collaborators by executing them. We don't execute every collaborator. After all, about 70 percent of them are innocent victims, tricked or black-mailed into their misdeeds. The decision whether to execute a collaborator is based on the seriousness of his crimes. If, like many collaborators, he has been recruited as an agent of the Israeli Border Guard then it is imperative that he be executed at once. He's as dangerous as an Israeli soldier, so we treat him like an Israeli soldier. There's another group of collaborators who perform an even more loathsome role -- the ones who help the enemy trap young men and women in blackmail schemes that force them to become collaborators. I regard the ""isqat"" [the process by which a Palestinians is blackmailed into collaboration] of single person as greater crime than the killing of a demonstrator. If someone is guilty of causing repeated cases of isqat, than it is our religious duty to execute him. A third group of collaborators is responsible for the distribution of narcotics. They work on direct orders from the Security Services to distribute drugs as widely as possible. Their victims become addicted and soon find it unbearable to quit and impossible to afford more. They collaborate in order to get the drugs they crave. The dealers must also be executed. In the battalions, we have developed a very careful method of uncovering collaborators, We can't afford to abduct an innocent person, because once we seize a person his reputation is tarnished forever. We will abduct and interrogate a collaborator only after evidence of his guilt has been established -- never before. If after interrogation the collaborator is found guilty beyond any doubt, then he is executed. In many cases, we don't have to make our evidence against collaborators public, because everyone knows that they're guilty. But when the public isn't aware that a certain individual is a collaborator, and we accuse him, people are bound to ask for evidence. Many people will proclaim his innocence, so there must be irrefutable proof before he is executed. This proof is usually obtained in the form of a confession. At first, every collaborator denies his crimes. So we start off by showing the collaborator the testimony against him. We tell him that he still has a chance to serve his people, even in the last moment of his life, by confessing and giving us the information we need. We say that we know his repentance in sincere and that he has been a victim. That kind of talk is convincing. Most of them confess after that. Others hold out; in those cases, we apply pressure, both psychological and physical. Then the holdouts confess as well. Only one collaborator has ever been executed without an interrogation. In that case, the collaborator had been seen working for the Border Guard since before the intifada, and he himself confessed his involvement to a friend, who disclosed the information to us. In addition, three members of his network of collaborators told us that he had caused their isqat. With this much evidence, there was no need to interrogate him. But we are very careful to avoid wrongful executions. In every case, our principal is the same: the accused should be interrogated until he himself confesses his crimes. A few weeks ago, we sat down and complied a list of collaborators to decide whether there were any who could be executed without interrogation. An although we had hundreds of names, still, because of our fear of God and of hell, we could not mark any of these men, except for the one I just mentioned, for execution. When we execute a collaborator in public, we use a gun. But after we abduct and interrogate a collaborator, we can't shoot him -- to do so might give away our locations. That's why collaborators are strangled. Sometimes we ask the collaborator, ""What do you think? How should we execute you?"" One collaborator told us, ""Strangle me."" He hated the sight of blood. ----- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 2493,9,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 33 In <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: >Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their >fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his >future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best >signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. Yeah Valentine, how many rings does Clemens have? Nothin' like good old fashioned Canadian logic... BTW: The only good thing I can say about the Jay's rotation this year is that it could have been worse. Stewart might have stayed healthy. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 2494,18,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: We're winning the war on drugs. Not! Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Keywords: drugs DEA WOD legalization Lines: 140 The DEA and other organizations would have the American people believe that we are winning the ""war on drugs"". I'm going to dispel the propaganda that the DEA is putting out by showing you the drug war's *real* status. To help prove my assertions I've also posted two articles from USA Today that clearly demonstrate that drug use among certain age groups *is* on the rise. If WOD is working, as we're led to believe, then drug abuse should have gone down substantially by now. The reality is, is that it has not gone down very much. If anything, substance abuse is on the rise. I'm also going to supply a possible solution to this problem. The following text is an excerpt from an article about rock music and pot entitled ""Hello Again, Mary Jane"" which appears in the current issue of Time magazine (April 19, 1993, p. 59). Law-enforcement officials say pot advocates are just blowing smoke when they talk about the comeback of the weed. ""Perhaps because of the change of administrations, the marijuana lobby is out in full force,"" says Robert Bonner, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration. ""The fact is, they're losing the battle."" In 1985 more than 23% of youths ages 12 to 17 said they smoked marijuana; in 1991 that figure was 13%, and Bonner says it is still falling. Bonner also offers a reminder that studies confirm such marijuana health risks as destruction of nerve cells in the brain and lung damage. The chart that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eigth-graders"" by Mike Snider, p. 6D). Adolescents' choices Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month: Estimated, per 100 students 1991 1992 Pct. chg. Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4% Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8% Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27% LSD 0.6 0.9 +50% Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40% Crack 0.3 0.5 +67% Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, 1993 report We are not winning the ""war on drugs"". I think you can see that one of the tactics that the DEA employs to give people the impression that the ""war on drugs"" is being won is to selectively quote statistics--- only statistics that support their contention that drug use has gone down. The excerpt from Time magazine that I included in this post is an excellent example of how organizations like the DEA attempt to deceive the public. Usage of *one* particular drug may have gone down but at the same time usage of other drugs may have gone *up* (a.k.a. substitution). Also, drug usage among *one* particular age group may have gone down but drug usage among another age group may have gone *up*. Therefore, if one takes a look at the big picture, taking into consideration *all* the statistics, then it's obvious that the so-called ""war on drugs"" is being lost. Perhaps the drug war is being won as far as illegal drugs go, but if one factors in alcohol abuse, smoking, and use of inhalants, then the magnitude of the drug problem in this country can then placed in its true perspective. For those of you who don't consider alcohol to be a drug then try drinking a fifth of whiskey sometime and then come back and tell me that it's not a drug. Agencies like the DEA only go after *illegal* drugs. This is one of the reasons why the drug war is a fruitless attempt at preventing substance abuse---people will merely switch to another drug if the one they were using becomes scarce or unpopular. The solution to the drug abuse problem in this country may be to legalize some---not all---drugs whose toxicity has been shown to be within reasonable limits (you won't drop dead after using it a few times) and then couple this with a massive drug education program. The reason why I think legalization is *part* of the solution is because people seem to be able to easily obtain drugs despite the government's efforts to the contrary---the money spent on drug interdiction could be spent more effectively elsewhere (e.g., drug education). Additionally, legalization would reduce crime because the profit motive would be taken out of drug trafficking which often goes along with other kinds of crime. Not to mention the fact that addicts would have less reason to prey on innocent people for their money and posessions in order to support their expensive habit; legalization would cause the street price of drugs to fall substantially so drugs would be much more affordable to addicts. IMHO, the way to reduce substance abuse is to do to drugs what has been done to smokers: make drug use socially unacceptable rather than try to employ heavy-handed law enforcement and punish people by incarcerating them. As you already know, people in the U.S. smoke a lot less than they used to. This reduction in the number of smokers has been brought about by public awareness campaigns, laws restricting where people can light up, warning labels on cigarette packages, taxation on tobacco in order to reduce consumption, and so on. I propose that similar methods be used to reduce substance abuse after legalization has been carried out. They are as follows: * Drugs being sold must come with clear, concise information which states the possible health hazzards involved with using this product and recommendations on how the drug should be used. Things like dosage levels and how long the drug should be used ought to accompany the packaging the drug is contained in. * All drugs should be taxed at a rate that generates a lot of revenue but not so high as to encourage people to acquire drugs through illegal channels. Part of the revenue collected from drug taxes should be used to fund drug education and law enforcement. * Make it a felony to sell drugs to minors (people under the age of 18). Anyone can sell drugs but they must not dodge paying the taxes on drugs or sell drugs with the warning information absent. Failure to pay the appropiate taxes on drugs or omitting warning information should also be a felony. * Establish a government agency whose job is to insure that the purity and safety of all drugs is as high as possible. This agency would try to prevent people from getting a hold of bad drugs---something that is a fairly serious problem now. I'm sure that many of the things I've discussed in this article have been hashed out before in this newsgroup. Nevertheless, I thought it was a good idea to give my two cents (actually a buck and a half...) all at once so you could get a good idea of where I currently stand on WOD. Go ahead and tear into my post; I'm sure there is something in it that you may wish to take a different view on or flame. :) :) :) BTW, I posted the articles from USA Today to not only help prove my assertions but also to provide information on LSD usage among youths--- something which I noticed some posters to this group were interested in. Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me " 2495,11,"From: mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Reply-To: mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) Organization: The University of Texas - Austin Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu Originator: mccoy@tramp.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com>, karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) writes: > In article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: > |> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and > |> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. > |> > |> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that > |> administering ""truth serum"" would be ruled a violation of your right > |> not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference? > > You can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment > related Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment > protections to what they call ""testimonial"" evidence, as opposed to > physical evidence. I have a question that is a slight variation on the previously mentioned examples that perhaps people could give me some pointers on (it has been a couple of years since my Con Law class in college so I hope I am not missing something obvious here...) Basic Scenario: I set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of files on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users connect they send a private key encrypted using the system public key and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the one-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The result of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it is impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the machine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed system private key to entice users into revealing thier personal private keys during the authentication sequence. Questions: Does the fact that the system private key does not provide any information useful for a search give me any protection as far as being coerced to reveal the key? (I doubt it myself..) It seems providing the system private key does not mean that I am assisting in ""entrapment"" (the users would send thier key anyway and are not being enticed into doing something they would not otherwise do) but is there any other hook that can be used? Would the user private-key enticement require wiretap approval? Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated... jim -- Jim McCoy | UT Unix Sysadmin Tiger Team mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | #include j-mccoy@nwu.edu | pgp key available via finger or upon request " 2496,0,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Where are they now? In-Reply-To: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu's message of 15 Apr 93 11: 17:13 -0600 Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <1993Apr15.111713.4726@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> Lines: 18 a> In article <1qi156INNf9n@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, tcbruno@athena.mit.edu (Tom Bruno) writes: > ..stuff deleted... > > Which brings me to the point of my posting. How many people out there have > been around alt.atheism since 1990? I've done my damnedest to stay on top of ...more stuff deleted... Hmm, USENET got it's collective hooks into me around 1987 or so right after I switched to engineering. I'd say I started reading alt.atheism around 1988-89. I've probably not posted more than 50 messages in the time since then though. I'll never understand how people can find the time to write so much. I can barely keep up as it is. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 2497,3,"From: mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Gordon) Subject: Otronics Attache luggable info needed Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 19 Hi all, I'm looking for some info regarding an old pcmade by Otronics (or maybe Oltronics) called the Attache. This little beauty is an 8088 / Z80 luggable with a 4 or 5 inch screen (monochrome CGA) and 2 360 floppies. For serial ports it has 2 DB-15 connectors (one is labled 'printer') and I can't figure out the pinouts for them. I also don't know if they are standard com ports addressable as COM1 and COM2. I have figured out that they'll only work with DOS 2.something. If anyone can give me some pointers on this one, I'd be most appreciative. Please reply via email, as I can't keep up with news lately. (Finals are coming up you know :( ) Thanks much, Mike Gordon N9LOI mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu " 2498,1,"Subject: XGA-2 info? From: rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu (Rainer Leberle) Distribution: World Organization: University of Missouri Kansas City NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu Lines: 13 Hi, has anyone more info about the XGA-2 chipset? HW-funcs, TrueColor, Resolutions,... Any boards with XGA-2 out yet? thanks Rainer -- Rainer Leberle rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu University of Kansas City, MO >> New mail from clinton@whitehouse.dc.gov - (No Subject Specified) " 2499,12,"From: ubsiler@msuvx1.memst.edu Subject: Home-made IR remote extender Organization: Memphis State University Lines: 19 Here's a question for all you electrical engineers out there: I bought an 'Infrared detector module' at Radio Shack for $3.95 - it is a little gizmo that senses infrared remotes and produces an output signal. Then I hooked the output through a transistor to an infrared LED. The circuit works like a minature remote control extender in my car - All remote commands are relayed to the CD player hidden in the glove compartment. It works fine with my Denon CD player, but when I tried to build the same circuit for a friend's VCR, it didn't work. The circuit appears to work for other remotes (you can see infrared with a Sony CCD camcorder) but coincidentally it only seems to work for my CD player... Any advice would be appreciated.... Brian --- UBSILER @ MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU " 2500,18,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 79 In article <1ql7tuINN8j8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) writes: > >Here's my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser's list > >8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work, > to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems > that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more > efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to > cost more money and I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about > taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair > share! Some people pay shares that are more ""fair"" than others, and will continue to do so, even with the presence of President Clinton. Until the rich elite *hurt* from taxes and shower me with their blood dripping from the wound of the tax dagger, I will scream and yell. Because, taxes are killing the poor and middle-class, and I'm tired of the wealthy getting a free ride in this country. Sure, they pay a lot of taxes, but I want them to SHARE MY PAIN!! And, not even Slick Willy is *that* fair, is he, seeing that he and his wife qualify as one of those wealthy people I was talking about? [They're on the lower end of ""wealthy"", but ""wealthy"" they are.] >7. I can't believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give > up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you're > willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an > enemy which at best doesn't affect us and at worst really should be our > friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn't pay taxes! Yah, I think the draft for Vietnam was a sack of shit. But, do we get to pick and choose which laws we obey, Mr. Chaudhary? If so, shall we set up a ""you follow the laws you like, and I'll follow the laws I like"" arrangement? >6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! I never thought much of beaded curtains. Now beaded seat-covers, on the other hand.... >5. [Health care is a human right--deleted] I didn't think I was going to respond to this, but I changed my mind. Tell me, why do you think health care is a human right? This isn't a flame or anything, I just wonder. Next thing you know, free public transportation will be a human right. Maybe membership at prestigious health spas? [Sorry to grease the hill on ya there....] >4. Make love, not War! Be sure and wrap that wanker when you go spreadin' that free love stuff around. (Or, after the FDA gets its thumb out of its ass, use that neat new ""Reality"" femi-condom.) >3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist > at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity > to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force > them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly > have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender > discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of > the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. So do I. Amen. And all that. >1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! What the hell is an ""acadamia"" anyway? Is that like a macadamia? cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. " 2501,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 57 (hudson) >/These people hurt their own bodies. Why can't they hurt other peoples bodies >/too? > (me) >Because other people might not *want* to be hurt, Hudson. And hurting >them against their will is a violation of choice. /(hudson) /So. Why is someone elses will such a big deal if morality is all relative. I don't believe I ever said that morality was all relative. What I said was that I can make my mind up on my own, thank you, and that you don't have the right to tell others what to think. I think that you will find that in most moral systems, there is a respect for human life and the dignity of the person. It is all the stuff besides these points that forms the core of the disagreement between primitive moral absolutists like yourself and the rest of us. /(hudson) /Maybe (the insane lover of pain might reason) if other people experienced /enough pain, they might learn to enjoy it, too. Fine. There is still the clinical definition of crazy. And this also involves a violation of free will, because the insane lover of your little example would be inflicting pain on a non-willing subject. Try again. (hudson) >/You have to have other premises to derive this. > (me) >No, you don't. That is a patently false statement. /(hudson) /You have to have some sort of premise about choice or self-awareness. No, you do not. I demonstrated to you the example of the football team which doesn't require premises about freedom of choice or sentience/self-awareness. As I said, you are wrong, and you don't seem to know much about moral systems. If I were you, I would take David Bold's suggestion and do some reading on the subject before you try preaching about it. " 2502,8,"From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: microb0.biostat.washington.edu In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a >crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your >primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big >spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a >small one). So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws? (The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.) Steve __________________________________________________________________________ Steve L. Moseley moseley@u.washington.edu Microbiology SC-42 Phone: (206) 543-2820 University of Washington FAX: (206) 543-8297 Seattle, WA 98195 " 2503,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: AT&T Lines: 29 |You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of |mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a |neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve |gas on his/her property. There is no law prohibiting having biological weapons or nerve gas on his/her property, or even walking on government property with such items: ipso facto it is now one's _RIGHT_ to have such weapons of ""mass destruction."" Hell, the U.S. patent office has patents on the manufacture of nerve gas that anyone can obtain simply by sending a $1.50 to the Patent Office in Washington, D.C. (P.O. Box 8). These same patents are verboten to English citizens from their own patent office, which doesn't surprise me based on the mistrust of the UK government against private ownership of semi-automatic rifles. |If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of |the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us? So, you are saying we should have legislation prohibiting owning biological warfare agents or nerve agents? Will you pass laws against owning chlorine gas or cyanide as well? Will you pass laws against owning acetylene gas that could have been used against the Bradley IFVs had the Branch Dividians known of their anti-combustion engine effects? Will you pass laws against owning 5-gallon cylinders of propane because they could have been used as flame throwers? Yes, the proverbial ""Road to Hell;"" it's always for ""Our Own Good."" " 2504,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys? Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 15 butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes: > Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't > sufficient? It depends on the algorithm used. 128-bit secret keys for RSA are definitively not secure enough. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 2505,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Article-I.D.: netnews.120665 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and It's Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he's not Jewish - he's Polish (by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself, is ""ston-KEV-itch"". all the sportscasters get it wrong) >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. The only other Jewish ballplayer I can think of is Ron Blomberg, who is best known as being the first DH to appear in a major league ballgame. -Alan " 2506,11,"From: johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA Distribution: na Lines: 65 tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >Brad Templeton (brad@clarinet.com) wrote: >: It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow >: houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. >: >: It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are >: good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. >: >: What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, >: at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that >: a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your >: cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the >: escrow houses. >Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable >all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), >as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no >mention of ""session keys"" being the escrowed entities. >As the EFF noted, this raises further issues about the fruits of one >bust leading to incrimination in other areas. >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) >And it may also become much worse if the ostensible security is >increased, thus allowing greater access to ""central office"" records by >the government (the conversations being encrypted, who will object to >letting the government have access to them, perhaps even automatically >archiving large fractions...). This was one of the main objections to >the S.266 proposal, that it would force telecom suppliers to provide >easy access for the government. >One the government has had access to months or years of your encrypted >conversations, now all it takes is one misstep, one violation that >gets them the paperwork needed to decrypt *all* of them! >Do we want anyone to have this kind of power? >-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly frightening significance. The comment was made that ""In other parts of the world the Democrats [note the big ""D""] would be known as Socialists"" A [note the small ""d""] democrat who wonders what Thomas Jefferson, on this the 250th anniversary of his birth, would have thought of the state of affairs between the government and the governed. ------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. -------- Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS | TRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com FP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90] 1 Federal Systems Park Drive | Phone: +1 (703) 968.1000 Fairfax, Virginia 22033-4412 U.S.A. | Fax: +1 (703) 803.5189 -- ------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. -------- Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS | TRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com FP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90] " 2507,1,"From: u895027@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Mackey) Subject: Raytracers: which is best? Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Lines: 15 Hi all! I've just recently become seriously hooked on POV, but there are a few thing that I want to do that POV won't do (penumbral shadows, dispersion etc.). I was just wondering: what other shareware/freeware raytracers are out there, and what can they do? I've heard of Vivid and Polyray and Rayshade and so on, but I'd rather no wade through several hundred pages of manual for each trying to work out what their capabilities are. Can anyone help? A comparison of tracing speed between each program would also be mucho useful. Mark. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Mackey | Life is a terminal disease and oxygen is mmackey@aqueous.ml.csiro.au | addictive. Are _you_ hooked? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2508,4,"From: jsm1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Jason S. MacDonald) Subject: Re: LC Ram Upgrade will be SLOW! Nntp-Posting-Host: crux1.cit.cornell.edu Reply-To: jsm1@cornell.edu Organization: Ono-Sendai Corporation Lines: 35 douce@tfsquad.mn.org (Andrew Geweke) writes: > I cannot speak for Dale. But I am quite sure that the Macintosh >uses the full 16-bit or 32-bit data path to its full advantage. That is, >it is running as fast with two or four 30-pin SIMMs as it would with one >72-pin SIMM. Now, it may be that longword accesses (assuming a 32-bit >data path here) get the first byte from the first SIMM, the second byte >from the second, and so on. This would mean that each longword of memory >is actually split among four SIMMs, one for each byte. On the other hand, >it could be that the SIMMs are interleaved by word or longword (not just >by byte), or they could be successive in memory, and the memory >controller deals with the eight-bit data path that each one has. I >suspect, though, that they are interleaved to some extent so that 32 bits >can be read or written at once. This would indicate a byte-level >interleave. > I am NOT confusing this with the new machines' longword >interleave with two 72-pin SIMMs of the same sort, although that seems to >be the same sort of idea. There, you get an essential 64-bit data path ro >(excuse me, to) RAM instead of just a 32-bit one. Yes, the CPU can't >handle it, but when writing to successive addresses it speeds something >up. > So, Dale, am I right? 30-pin SIMMs are interleaved by bytes, >allowing the full data bus? Or, as is common with Usenet and me in >particular, am I as clueless as everyone else? What conclusion can be drawn from this? I'm trying to figure out what kind of memory configuration for the LC III (32-bit datapath) would be fastest. Any ideas? Thanks, Jason MacDonald -- - Jason Scott MacDonald - jsm1@cornell.edu - jsm1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu ""Technology sufficiently advanced is ____ indistinguishable from magic."" \ / ""Cats exist so that we -- Arthur C. Clarke \/ may caress the lion."" " 2509,2,"From: sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp) Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Article-I.D.: mizar.1r74aa$d7l Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu Where's an ftp site for Trumpet? (other than wuarchive, umich,.. something off the beaten path??) Thanks. Malcolm " 2510,6,"From: holmertz@ike.navo.navy.mil (Steve Holmertz) Subject: Parametric EQ (Car) Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23809]: ike.navo.navy.mil Keywords: EQ Audio Stereo Organization: Naval Oceanographic Office Lines: 16 HiFonics ""Ceres"" 3-Band Parametric Equalizer Specs: 3-Bands: 1. 40-640Hz; 2. 100Hz-3KHz; 3. 500Hz-16KHz Boost/Cut: +/-20db THD: Less than 0.02% Size(WxHxD): 190mmx53mmx120mm This EQ has three variable bands as indicated above with variable Q. It also has a subwoofer output with variable cutoff frequency. I originally paid $129 for the unit and used it for 3 months before selling the car. It is in excellent condition with all the wiring and hardware intact and manual in original box. Asking price: $75 holmertz@pops.navo.navy.mil " 2511,14,"From: seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.den.mmc.com Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver Lines: 8 baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a >close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >comet. Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to check out a comet TOO?!? " 2512,19,"From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) Subject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net The observation that the Tree of Life would rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern probably doesn't give enough consideration to the feebleness of the Coriolis force compared to, say, the phototropism of vegetation. A much more likely explanation is the classic one: that the clockwise swastika is the Sun-wheel, because the sun progresses across the sky that way. (Although that's not the historical way it happened; clocks were first made as little imitation images of the sun moving thru the heavens. So it's more valid to talk of the clock going sunwise, but do the engineers listen to me? Of course not.) Anyway, there is still much uncertainty about whether the anti-swastika goes counter-sunwise because that represents Evil, or because it is the Sun's twin-opposite, the Moonwheel. The use of anti-Sun to represent Evil may be because humans are so strongly visually-oriented, but I'm not going to try to settle THAT one just now. -- Diccon Frankborn (dickeney@access.digex.com) " 2513,9,"From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Article-I.D.: pony.1993Apr15.223040.8733 Organization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc. Lines: 12 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. Hank Greenberg, Sid Gordon, Ron Blomberg. Guess it goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. " 2514,7,"From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak) Subject: ""Illegal"" tint windows Nntp-Posting-Host: gs58.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 38 I know it's a long shot, but maybe someone went through this and will have some comments to share. The story is this: I bought a car out of state, and I'm trying to get the safety inspection in Pennsylvania. The problem is that the car has aftermarket tint on all windows except the windshield. The tint is rather weak, and you can clearly see the inside of the car through the tint. The inspection garage said that they won't pass it unless I get a waiver from the state police. So I went to the state police - the officer told me that aftermarket tint is illegal, and I can get a waiver only for a pre-84 car or for a medical reason. I asked him to show me the section of the vehicle code that says it's illegal. He showed it to me and the paraghaph said that you can't have tint, if you can't see the inside of the car because of the tint. When I told him that you can in fact see the inside very well, he shut the book and said ""It's just illegal, and in fact we can have someone give you a ticket for it right now."" Well, won't argue with that... Since the vehicle code says it's OK as long as you can see through the tint, I'd like to keep it (I'll re-read the vehicle code in the library). I'd also like to get some sort of paper from the police that says it's OK, so I can get the inspection, and so that I won't get in trouble for the tint later on. I also wouldn't mind registering a complaint against that officer - he really pissed me off. So does anyone have any experience getting that sort of a paper from the police, especially in Pennsylvania? Does anyone have any experience registering a complaint against an officer? I called the station later on today, but they basically said there is no place where I could register a complaint against an officer... And if I do decide to keep the tint and get a ticket anyway, how much of a chance do I stand to succesfully appeal the ticket in court? Any comments about it will be welcome! Michal " 2515,14,"From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Article-I.D.: zeus.1993Apr22.003719.101323 Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 32 prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated: > > >Some birds require constant management for survival. Pointing a sensor at >the sun, even when powered down, may burn it out. Pointing a >parabolic antenna at Sol, from venus orbit may trash the >foci elements. > What I was getting at in my post is whether or not it might be possible to put enough brains on board future deep-space probes for them to automatically avoid such things as looking at the sun or going into an uncontrolled tumble. I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in that essentially says ""If you never hear from Earth again, here's what to do."" This was a back up in the event a receiver burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but still some data). >Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some >cosmic phenomena. > Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might not be such a big loss. Obviously you can't plan for everything, but the most obvious things can be considered. /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I know you believe you understand what it is that you | | think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that | | what I said is not what I meant."" | " 2516,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 21 [reply to todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey)] >I think that's the correct spelling.. Kirilian. >The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object >photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or >energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this >proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its >own energy signature. There turned out to be a very simple, conventional explanation for the phenomenon. I can't recall the details, but I believe it had to do with the object between the plates altering the field because of purely mechanical properties like capacitance. The ""aura"" was caused by direct exposure of the film from variations in field strength. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 2517,8,"From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) Subject: Countersteering sans Hands Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center R.T.P. NC USA Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: polymr4.bdrc.bd.com So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor? -Rick " 2518,10,"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils)DIR Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr18.222115.6525@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > In wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: > >>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points >>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put >>win as first in a tie breaker...... > > Well I don't see any smileys here. I am trying to figure out if the poster > is a dog or a wordprocessor. Couldn't be neither. Both are smarter than > this. > > ""I might not be great in Math"" > > > -- > > cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca > ""So many morons... > rm ...and so little time."" Roger? Lecture someone on not using smileys? What sweet hipocracy... KOZ LETS GO CAPS!! " 2519,7,"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 71 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes... #In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: #>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. #>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to #>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five #>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly #>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck #>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she #>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and #>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. #> #>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I #>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but #>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? Yes. Nobody is watching them. If they get caught, there is no punishment at all. In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand what kind of damage such accidents cause. Of course this doesn't happen any more. That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching him some respect for others. A person with that little respect would inevitably wind up dead early anyway. The problem is creeping gradualism. If you put a frog into hot water, he just jumps out. But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so- gradually heat it, the frog will cook. This is what the entertainment industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our modern North American society have done to us over the years. Now that we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late. #> #>Erik velapold # #Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason #is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is #""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort #children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised #when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the #message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much about it, either. With both parents working in this society, where is the stabilizing influence at home? Latchkey children are everywhere! And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to whatever violent hate-promoting ""music"" and videos they like because no one is home to stop it. This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is shorter school hours and more leisure time! I say keep the kids in school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them. There is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will bring a parent to grief. Daycare systems are not the answer. This is just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job. # #AT Followups should go to alt.parents-teens Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. " 2520,8,"From: markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Organization: Novell Inc. Lines: 28 X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:19:09 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.57.72.65 X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> Albion H. Bowers, ak954@yfn.ysu.edu writes: >Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug. Come on, when was >the last time you used your 750s max power peak? I think maybe you should >ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just >maximum acceleration. I really didn't mean to imply that my Ninja was any better than a Duc. I have to talked to a few Duc owners (750SS owners in particular) who say that the power is something less than overwhelming. That said, I would love to have a 900SS. I guess I should have been a bit more specific. If you have something that weighs that same as the 750, go for the extra cubes. I think that fact that I own a GTV-6 shows that I don't care about maximum power (it's no slug though) to the exclusion of everything else. The note and the handling are more important to me. I just bought a Ninja because I couldn't afford a Duc. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I'll probably be getting a 900SS next year... - Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966 DoD#0747 Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2521,9,"From: jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") Subject: Re: Brien Taylor: Where is he? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 9 Last year Brein Taylor was in A ball, probably at Tampa in the Florida State League. I believe he began this year in AA which is Albany. Hopefully George won't rush him and he'll be allowed to progress at his own rate to AAA and then to the Bronx. This guy is the real thing. Jonathan Alboum UVA " 2522,15,"From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) Subject: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism) Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 26 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ >paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. > >Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. >Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. > > One of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is their belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being brought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God the Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father usually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me. Fortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both a masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find sorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible for a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat each other. -- Terrance Heath heath@athena.cs.uga.edu ****************************************************************** YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK! ****************************************************************** " 2523,7,"From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12 mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: : significantly less than the value of many automobiles. And for those who will : argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to : mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they : are not human beings. Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track. And Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it. When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself mean that it has ""rights""? " 2524,12,"From: kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich""TheMan""Kennehan) Subject: subliminal message flashing on TV Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd or even scan lines) - Rich kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu " 2525,14,"From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms Nntp-Posting-Host: ra Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 41 In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.170157.24251@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: |> |> Of course the units of force have the same names as those of weight, |> but in order to use them you need to keep useful constants like the |> omnipresent 32.???? ft/sec^2 around. |> |> Maybe you'd like to go over again how this system is _so_ natural and |> _so_ easy to use, Gary? While you're at it, you can figure out for us |> the weight of 17 barrels and a quart of foo (density 17lb 2 3/4 oz per |> cubic foot) on the moon (gravity 5 ft 7 3/32 in/sec^2). Let's face it, |> even the imperial system uses a basically metric way of relating |> quantities (i.e. that would be written as 5.59 ft/sec^2); the only |> thing you're hanging on to is the right to express the same quantity |> as 1731 inches, 144.25 feet, 48.0833 yards or 2.186 chains. What |> everyone else is saying is _why_ do you want to do that? |> |> Any apparent remaining complexity in the SI system is due to the |> multiplicity of the aforesaid prefixes. In fact what's going on (and |> the fundamental difference between SI and imperial) is that you have |> exactly one unit of each type, and all values of that type are |> expressed as some multiple of the unit. You mean like: seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years. . . :-) Remember, the Fahrenheit temperature scale is also a centigrade scale. Some revisionists tell the history something like this: The coldest point in a particular Russian winter was marked on the thermometer as was the body temperature of a volunteer (turns out he was sick, but you can't win 'em all). Then the space in between the marks on the thermometer was then divided into hundredths. :-) FWIW, Doug Page *** The opinions are mine (maybe), and do not necessarily represent those *** *** of my employer (or any other sane person, fot that matter). *** " 2526,7,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 23 In article <1327@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes: >In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu> bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu >writes: >>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever >> >>10. 1984 Dodge Colt Vista - tachometer only avail. with automatic trans. >>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! >I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much >less any Corvette. I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are >trying to say here..... Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of parking stalls... Regards, Charles -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 2527,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 21 In article slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: >The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do >they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it >only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within 24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 2528,3,"From: m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) Subject: Atari Mono and VGA Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University Lines: 12 Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what graphics card you used. /Thanx __ __ _ _ l \ / l ___ ( \/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se l l l l l / _ \ \ / l l\_/l l( (_) l / \ Institutionen f|r teknisk databehandling l_l l_l \__l_l(_/\_) Uppsala Universitet " 2529,12,"From: larryhsu@mtl.mit.edu (Lawrence Hsu) Subject: Shrunken monitor window? Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: mtl.mit.edu Does anyone know what causes the ever-growing black border around the edges of my computer screen? The growth has been gradual so I don't know how long it's taken to get this bad. I have a 19"" DEC (?) color monitor, maybe five years old, and the black border is about 1.1 inches on the left and right sides, about 1.75 inches on the bottom and negligible at the top of the screen. The only controls are brightness knob, contrast knob, deGauss switch, and power switch. Is there anything to be done, or are the monitor's days numbered? Larry Hsu larryhsu@mtl.mit.edu " 2530,13,"From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 28 My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was) On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT! My wife is concerned about this. She saw a TV show a couple months back (something like 20/20 or Dateline NBC, etc.) where an expert on fetal ultrasounds (a radiologist) was showing all the different deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound. Should my wife be concerned? Should we take the pictures to a radiologist for a second opinion? (and if so, where would we find such an expert in Chicago?) We don't really have any special medical reason to be concerned, but if a radiologist will be able to see things the ob-gyn can't, then I don't see why we shouldn't use one. Any thoughts? -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 " 2531,13,"From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Gordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu ( Marc Gabriel) writes: : >Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very : >hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a : >""feel"" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience. : >No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a ""quack"" : >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck. : > : Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures. : They poo-poo doing more lab tests: ""this is Lyme, believe me, I've : seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it : now."" Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating : Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this : pattern. They are usually GPs. No, he does not exclusively treat LD patients. However, in some parts of the country, you don't need to be known as an LD ""specialist"" to see a large number of LD patients walk through your office. Given the huge problem of underdiagnosis, orthopedists encounter late manifestations of the disease just about every day in their regular practices. Dr. N. told me that last year, he sent between 2 and 5 patients a week to the LD specialists... and he is not the only orthopedists in the town. Let's say that only 2 people per week actually have LD. That means at the *very minimum* 104 people in our town (and immediate area) develop late stage manifestations of LD *every year*. Add in the folks who were diagnosed by neurologists, rheumatologists, GPs, etc, and you can see what kind of problem we have. No wonder just about everybody in town personally knows an LD patient. He refers most patients to LD specialists, but in extreme cases he puts the patient on medication immediately to minimize the damage (in most cases, to the knees). Gordon is correct when he states that most LD specialists are GPs. -Marc. -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc C. Gabriel - U.C. Box 545 - (215) 882-0138 Lehigh University " 2532,19,"From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma) Subject: Re: Bhagavad-Gita 2.32 Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 25 A poster writes: > In the Kingdom of God (Vaikuntha) the tigers do not eat other living > beings. In the material world, everyone is trying to consume everyone > else. Therefore we all (even tigers, who are by no means invincible) > should try to get out of the miserable material situation and return to > the Kingdom of God. Is the so-called material world ""outside"" the Kingdom of God? > Right. But, unfortunately, acting like animals is the number one pastime > of modern human beings. Aha, animals are inferior, and humans are superior. Huh? [Isn't the desire to be superior so ""overwhelming?""] [that humans constantly ""put down"" even innocent animals.] ---raj [P.S. - Request: please e-mail a copy of any response to raj, as he does not read trm regularly.] " 2533,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Keywords: XTerm In article , thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: |> >Hey guys! |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. |> >How can I do it? |> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. |> |> if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then |> echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" |> endif |> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm. 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ? Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced, but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ? This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work on xterms. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 2534,6,"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") Subject: Stuff for sale- music Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 19 CDs ($9 ea inc shipping) --- Jesus Jones, DOUBT Residents, HEAVEN? REM, DOCUMENT Nymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single Tapes ----- Robert Plant, all solo stuff Led Zeppelin IV Tshirts ------- Robert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour Led Zeppelin, Symbols/Swansong black Bob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye All offers accepted. Mail to jac2y@virginia.edu " 2535,15,"From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) Subject: HELPHELP Part2 Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 52 Hello, I'm back.. I would first like to thank each and every person who sent me a response (be it a positive or negative one). I read EVERY letter and thought about each one!! I got all sorts of responses, from ""marry her"" to ""have nothing ever to do with her again"" Through reading the Bible and through a lot of prayer, here is what I have decided to do. I sent her a letter today. First, i told her that if she was really serious about moving away from home to another state that ""I would do anything to get you here in NC."" I told her that I tried to find out if there were any new stores planning to be built---but they wouldn't tell me. About her marraige comment (I'm not gonna call it a proposal, cause I still don't know if it was a total joke or not) I more or less said that ""Marry me?? Well, get transferred to NC first and then we'll talk :) :)"" Hopefully, what i said could be interpreted either way. Needless to say, there has been a lot of praying over this...I have done a lot of reading about marraige from the Bible. If she was dead serious about getting married---I wouldn't do it yet simply b/c she is not (as far as I know to this point) a Christian. It just wouldn't work w/o God in the marraige as well. I figure that if God wanrs this to go through--he's kept us in touch for 10 years now---he can handle one more. If God wants it to happen, it will happen! She will be in NC in June meetinf some relatives so I'll get to see her...and I'll get a letter from her befoe then so I know more of what to look forward to. I guess all I can do now is wait and pray. I have decided not to tell my folks until I'm totally sure what is going on. I do ask that everyone that wrote me to please keep this situation in your prayers.. Finally, I would like to thank EVERYONE who wrote in... If you have anything else for me...I will be at this email address for one week. Please tell me anyhting you want...I'm curious how folks think about what i did. Thanx Chris " 2536,16,"From: jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Interactive Media Group - University of Massachusetts at Lowell Lines: 146 In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu>, cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: -> > This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me. According -> > to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined -> > structure and follows nationally uniform regulations. -> -> Perhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!! Perhaps you should, reread Federal 29 which deals exclusively with the ""well regulated malitia."" Here is what is says about its character: To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, It also talks about the ""well regulated militia"" having a nationally uniform in structure and disipline. I will note you did quote the end of this particular paragraph which states: Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year. But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year. Just to try to get the same people every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it requires a continually standing committee of organizers. Since a well regulate militia is nationally uniform in structure and disipline, and meet once or twice a year to train, how can you claim a ""well regulated militia"" is not well organized. But I will concide a ""well organized militia"" is not necessarily a ""well regulated militia."" Several people have stated that the ""well organized militia"" is what is defined under 10 USC 311, which states The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizents of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard. This deos define the militia, but were is the adjective ""well regulated."" 10 USC 311 does not define a ""well regualed militia"" in any way, shape, or form. It only defines who can become part of a well regulated militia The Federalist Papers CLEARLY define the ""well regualed militia"" as a proper SUBSET of the militia. In the same paragraph quoted above, it talk above ""disciplining all the militia of the United States"" so they fit the ""character of a well-regulated militia."" This is what the paragraph states about the associated costs: It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Another quote provide by Charles Scripter is: James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the ""General Welfare"" clause): ""Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars."" So the phrase ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"" must either qualify or explain the phrase ""a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."" The definition of ""explain"" as stated in ""The American Hertitage Dictionary of the Enlish Language"" The New College Edition, 1982 is: 1) To make plain or comprehensible; remove obscruity from; elucidate: ""It was the economists who undertook to explain this puzzle"" 2) To define; explicate; expound: He explained his plan. 3) To offer reasons for or a cause of; an answer for' justify: explain an error The second phrase clearly does not ""explain"" the first, therefore the second phrase must ""qualify"" the first. The definition given for ""qualify"" is: 1) To describe by enumerating the characteristics or qualities of; characterize. 2) To make competent or suitable for office, position, or task. 3) To give legal power to; make legally capable. 4) To modify, limit, or restrict, as giving exceptions. 5) To make less harsh or severe; moderate 6) Grammar: To modify the meaning of (a word or phrase) Since ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"" does not describe, modify or make less harsh anything and it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task. By process of elimination it must fall into definition #3. And since #3 deals with legal power, the same thing the Constitution does, it must be the correct definition in this case. Therefore, ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"" gives legal power to the ""well regualated militia"" and this legal power ""shall not be infringed"". I thank you very much Mr Scripter, you have provided me with more evidence that the Second Amendment only concerns itseft with the people's right to form well regulate militia, and says very little about the right of an untrained person to ""keep and bear"" a .50 caliber machine gun. And since I, totally untrained in the use of any firearm (something I personly have meant to correct by going to a NRA gun safety course and joining a gun club), cannot legally buy such a machine gun, I conclude the courts and democraticly elected congress agree with me. -> So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy -> our Liberties and Rights. I mean ""to destory our Liberties and Rights."" Is that why a participate in the discussion of exactly what ""our Libertues and Rights"" are? I force my version of ""our Liberties and Rights"" by begining statements of what ""our Liberties and Rights"" with ""All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me."" Using expressions, such as ""states to me,"" clearly mean I intend to force my views on others? I don't think so. So in effort not to force my views and not ""to destory our Liberties and Rights,"" I state that nothing I have written, or will write, in the matter of ""Liberties and Rights"" is the final word. For I am only one person among many and the final word on ""Liberties and Rights"" cleary and irrevocably belongs to the many. +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | | ""If only it were a modern document, with a | | John Lawrence Rutledge | smart index and hyper links stretching all | | Research Assistant | through the world data net. It was terribly | | | frustrating to flip back and forth between | | Interactive Media Group | the pages and crude flat illustrations that | | Computer Science Department | never even moved. Nor were there animated | | UMass - Lowell | arrows or zoom-ins. It completely lacked a | | 1 University Ave. | for sound. | | Lowell, MA 01854 | ""Most baffling of all was the problem of new | | | words... In normal text you'd only have to | | (508) 934-3568 | touch an unfamiliar word and the definition | | jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu | would pop up just below."" | | | from David Brin's ""Earth"" | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ " 2537,7,"From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA Lines: 32 In article <13269@news.duke.edu> klg@mookie.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer) writes: > > I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these >electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage? What kind of >memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough >(of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a >vehicle? I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for >this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that >are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow). > MK48T02 from thomsom. It has a timekeeper (clock) and 512 bytes of NVRAM which has a lithium battery backup. The battery has a life of ~10 years of poweroff operation. Installed in a car it could be left powered on continuously and not draw much current. The battery would only be used when your auto battery was dead or had been removed. >Side question: how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with >a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K >actual miles. Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a >new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the >buyer it has. In California they have a line on the transfer of ownership form which states that the odometer mileage is correct. If incorrect you are required to fill in what you know (or guesstimate) to be the correct mileage. If you lie on this form and are caught you can be prosecuted and the buyer can sue you for the value of the mileage differential. -- Faster Horses Younger Women Older Whiskey More Money! " 2538,7,"From: larry@boris.webo.dg.com (Larry Rogers) Subject: Re: Saturn 91-92 Manual Transmission Problem In-Reply-To: cimjfg@sn370.utica.ge.com's message of Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:50:21 GMT Organization: Data General, Westboro, Mass. Lines: 34 I had exactly the same problem with a 1981 Horizon. Third gear would just disengage. Engine would rev up. Kind of disconcerting. I sold that car quite a few years back but the memory of that tranny sticks with me. It also had a clutch chatter in first that the dealer could not fix. If the lemon law had been in place then, that car would have been covered. I have had several Jap cars since then (figuring the Horizon was my contribution to the American Auto Companies), and have never seen any bad behavior with the exception of a Toyota Tercel with a bit of clutch chatter that they did fix on the first try. Anyway, from that day forward, I have sworn that I would never purchase another American car with a standard. American manufacturers don't have a clue on how to manufacture five speed transmissions and have been doing the automatics much longer and on many more cars. However, I hate automatics, so I am still buying Jap cars. Not sure this is any help, but other cars do this too. Cheers, Larry -- @@ Larry Rogers * @@@ larry_rogers@dg.com * Big Brother @@@ &&& larry@boris.webo.dg.com * is Watching @@ && Data General 508-870-8441 * The opinions contained herein are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of Data General or anyone else, but they should. ""Sometimes we are the windshield, sometimes we are the bug"" Dire Straits " 2539,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? Distribution: na Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 20 In article <15631@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA> tnelson@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Tim Nelson) writes: >The older NY taxis were made by the Checker Car Company, and I would love >to have one. >Or, is the Checker Car Company still in business? Checker Motors went out of business in 1982. It's hard to get old Checkers that are worth restoring, since almost every one was a fleet vehicle that was driven into the ground. If you can get a body in decent shape the mechanicals should all be available _somewhere_ - Checker used whatever parts were around. For instance, I had a Chevy straight six and a GMC Truck radiator and a Ford rear in mine. > >The model that I am looking for is the Checker Marathon. Actually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one. Good luck. I'm sorry I let mine go... " 2540,12,From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Subject: Switch-mode power supply Organization: Suite Software Lines: 17 Reply-To: suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesh.suite.com Is there a typical component or set of components that are at fault when a switch mode power supply goes south? The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints would be appreciated! Thanks! Mark-Tarbell@suite.com at fault when a switch mode power supply goes south? The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints would be appreciated! Thanks! Mark-Tarbell@s$$BVh(J 2541,5,"From: duvvuri@gudbransdal.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash) Subject: Pointer Feature Summary: Multiple flushing of pointers Keywords: Pointers, Arrows, Cursors Nntp-Posting-Host: gudbransdal.cs.odu.edu Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va Lines: 23 Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed replies will be greatly appreciated Thank you Prakash < duvvuri@cs.odu.edu > " 2542,5,"From: agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) Subject: Detecting read-only colorcells? Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 27 [again, poseted for a friend] Okay, I got such great response from my last question (thanks, everyone), lets try again: How can I tell if a colorcell is read-only? I want to use any read-only cells that are already in my colormap once I start running out of allocatable cells, using some arbitrary nearest color matching scheme to get those cells that come closest to a requested color. Once I determine if a cell is read-only, I assume I can then just request an XAllocColor() with the exact same color specifications and it will then be flagged as 'used' by my application so that it doesn't later get freed by someone else and allocated again as read-write to another application. So far, the only way I've figured out to do this is to write my own error handler and just go ahead and request the cells colors, once my colormap is all full up. It should error out if the cell is non-shareable. But life would be much easier if I could just detect the read-only/shareable stuff directly... Any ideas? Noel (ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov) " 2543,12,From: wayne@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Tony Wayne) Subject: Pink Noise Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville) Lines: 4 What is Pink noise and how is it used in sound experiments? -tony wayne@uva386.schools.virginia.edu 2544,14,"From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Commercial Space News #22 X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 666 COMMERCIAL SPACE NEWS/SPACE TECHNOLOGY INVESTOR NUMBER 22 This is number twenty-two in an irregular series on commercial space activities. The commentaries included are my thoughts on these developments. Sigh... as usual, I've gotten behind in getting this column written. I can only plead the exigency of the current dynamics in the space biz. This column is put together at lunch hour and after the house quiets down at night, so data can quickly build up if there's a lot of other stuff going on. I've complied a lot of information and happenings since the last column, so I'm going to have to work to keep this one down to a readable length. Have fun! CONTENTS: 1- US COMMERCIAL SPACE SALES FLATTEN IN 1993 2- DELTA WINS TWO KEY LAUNCH CONTRACTS 3- COMMERCIAL REMOTE SENSING VENTURE GETS DOC ""GO-AHEAD"" 4- INVESTMENT FIRM CALLS GD'S SPACE BIZ ""STILL A GOOD INVESTMENT"" 5- ARIANE PREDICTS DIP IN LAUNCH DEMAND 6- NTSB INVESTIGATES PEGASUS LAUNCH OVER ABORTED ABORT 7- ANOTHER PEGASUS COMPETITOR IS ANNOUNCED 8- GEORGIA LAUNCH SITE DROPPED FROM PLANNING 9- SPAIN'S CAPRICORNIA LAUNCHER STILL PROCEEDING 10- PACASTRO SIGNS LAUNCH RESERVATION WITH SWEDISH SPACE CORP 11- CHINA AND TAIWAN JOINT SATELLITE VENTURE REPORTED 12- SOUTH KOREA ANNOUNCES NATIONAL MOVE INTO SPACE TECHNOLOGIES 13- SPACE TECHNOLOGY INDEXES THROUGH MARCH FINAL NOTES ARTICLES -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1- US COMMERCIAL SPACE SALES FLATTEN IN 1993 The US Department of Commerce projects US commercial space sales will remain flat in 1993, with current data showing only a 2 percent growth over 1992. As published in ""US Industrial Outlook 1993"" (which was released in January), revenues from the 1993 US space business are currently projected to be about $4,890 M. In contrast to previous years when US commercial space sales had shown double digits growth rates, this year's projected results are driven by the US satellite manufacturing industry, where sales are projected to drop from 12 satellites worth $1,300 M in 1992 to 7 satellites worth $ 670 M in 1993. The US Industrial Outlook also projects U.S. commercial launchers faces flat demand in coming year, and while predicting that 1993 revenues will increase 10 percent to $450 M, future sales will be ""adversely affected by the downward revision in Department of Defense launch plans."" Offsetting flat launch revenues and satellite deliveries, revenues for fixed and mobile satellite services are projected to increase to $1,900 M, primarily driven by increased revenues from broadcast and cable TV networks. Similarly, remote sensing products and sales are projected to increase to $250 M in 1993 (up 15%). US COMMERCIAL SPACE REVENUES 1989 1990 1991 1992(r) 1993(e) Commercial satellites 900 1,000 1,100 1,300 670 Satellite services 750 800 1,200 1,500 1,900 Fixed (700) (735)(1,115)(1,275) (1,520) Mobile (50) ( 65)( 85)( 225) ( 380) Satellite ground equip 790 860 1,350 1,400 1,560 Mobile equipment (40) (85) (280) (352) ??? Commercial launches 150 570 380 450 450 Remote sensing data and services 125 155 190 215 250 Private microgravity research lab -- -- -- -- 60 ===== ===== ====== ===== ===== TOTAL ANNUAL REVENUES 2,715 3,385 4,220 4,815 4,890 (r) = revised data for 1992 (e) = estimated data for 1993 [Commentary: This is the first look at how the US commercial space industry is expected to do in 1993. In general, not a bad report -- with most of the bad news concentrated in the satellite manufacturing area. There, changes of only a few satellites worth $100 M or so apiece can substantially influence the annual projection. If we look forward over several years, this market sector should retain strong sales as US firms have been very successful in regaining international market share in the satellite business. Furthermore, sales of satellite ground equipment should go up in the next revision of this data, expected to be released about mid- year. Data on mobile satellite ground equipment sales (including such items as GPS receivers and portable satellite terminals) appears to be missing from the January data set. DoC usually publishes a listing of ""Space Business Indicators"" in mid-year, and the next revision of commercial space revenues should be released then. I expect the revised revenues should easily top $5,000 M, if the mobile satellite ground equipment are added back into the numbers, and the year should show about a 10% overall market growth. Looking beyond this year's data, future markets look quite promising. The DoC projects satellite service revenues could top $3,000 M by 1995 if new mobile satellite services and direct broadcasting are implemented as planned, and that mobile satellite station sales are expected to continue to growth at 15-20 % per year through the mid 1990's. My numbers are somewhat more pessimistic for near-term market growth, but I agree the trend should be for substantial growth in US commercial space sales over at least the next 5-10 years. (My pessimism is due to more conservative assumptions on market capture and growth in LEO communications and satellite direct broadcasting services. I don't believe all of the current players in the yet-to-be-born LEO communications satellite market and in the yet-to-be-proven direct broadcasting market will be financial successes, nor that sales growth will be as explosive as currently projected.) It should also be noted this year's DoC data is the first release to show revenues from privately funded microgravity research facilities. The $60 M shown in the Janurary data is primarily for the Spacehab module, planned for launch in April on the Space Shuttle, but also hidden in these numbers are the projected first sales from the COMET orbital launch and recovery experiment module.] 2- DELTA WINS TWO KEY LAUNCH CONTRACTS McDonnell Douglas Corporation, which builds and markets the Delta launch vehicle has won two important launch contracts. Motorola Inc. announced in mid February that it had selected the Delta to launch most of the satellites in the 66-satellite Iridium LEO communications constellation, and in mid April, McDonnell Douglas was awarded the USAF Medium Launch Vehicle III contract. The launch services contract with Motorola for the Iridium constellation launch is for at launch of least 45 Iridium satellites. Another 21 satellites have been contracted to be launched by Khrunichev Enterprise in Russian on 3 Proton vehicle launches. These 45 satellites planned for the Delta will be launched 5 at a time, providing for at least 9 launches. Additional satellites in the Iridium constellation, such as a planned on-orbit spares, may also be launched on Delta. Although details of the launch services contract were reported to be negotiation, and not yet final. The USAF MLV contract also went to MDC, bidding a variant of their Delta II launcher. This contract is only initially worth $7.5 million, but establishes a set of launch options for up to 36 launches, encompassing launches from 1996 through 2002. These launches will deploy the next generation of the USAF's Global Positioning System Block IIR navigation satellites, plus other programs. First option for to meet the USAF launch options is expected to be exercised this year, after which the USAF is expected to request launches of up to 6 Deltas per year for at least 6 years. Under this contract the USAF can also request ""launch on demand"" services from MDC for the 1996-2002 time period, with a launch to occur within 40 days of the request. [Commentary: If these two contracts are fulfilled, they should provide an excellent business base for MDC's Delta launch program through the turn of the century. Combined, these two contracts have a potential for about 45 launches, worth about $2,200 M to MDC, and sustaining a core business base of $300-400 M/year. Other contracts for international and commercial payloads, as well as for NASA Medium ELV-class payloads, will add to this business base -- keeping MDC as a viable commerical launch company. However, it should be noted there are risk elements in these contracts. Motorola's Iridium LEO communications constellation has not yet received a US Federal Communications Commission license for operation in the U.S., nor has Motorola lined up all the financing and financial partners for the Iridium venture. Without these approvals or financial backing there will be no Iridium launches. But, hopefully, these uncertainties will be settled this year. Similarly, the USAF MLV III program has been the target of several Congressional actions which have slowed the production of the GPS Block IIR satellites and deleted the funding for the MLV III program in favor of the USAF NLS/""Spacelifter"" program. At this time, while it appears the MLV III contract will be executed, future funding for the MLV III and other USAF commercial launch contracts is being reconsidered as part of national space launch strategy reviews. Some opinions expressed from within the Administration and Congress propose cancellation of all ""ELV upgrade"" programs (including the MLV programs) in favor of the proposed ""Spacelifter"" program. Such opinions may have some weight in this year's budget deliberations, particularly as DoD funds will be more difficult to find in the shrinking US Defense budget.] 3- COMMERCIAL REMOTE SENSING VENTURE GETS DOC ""GO-AHEAD"" The first commercial license to operate a remote sensing satellite was approved in early February by the US Department of Commerce's Office of Space Commerce. A license was granted to WorldView Imaging Corporation of Oakland, California to build and operate a pair of LEO imaging satellites to provide multi-spectral images of the Earth. [Commentary: There has been little data released on this venture by WorldView and the DoC, other than the announcement of the operating and construction license. This was reported to be at the request of WorldView. Most industry speculation identifies this new venture as a ""Star Wars"" spinoff, using SDI-type technology to provide digital Earth sensing data, and heavily integrated into digital GIS databases for remote sensing/GIS users. Most probable customers for this service include exploration geologists, agricultural planners, and urban planners. It is noteworthy this is the first commercial venture under the 1992 Land Remote Sensing Policy Act. The Act, as passed last November, provides that remote sensing data gathered from private remote sensing craft may be sold to users at differing prices. Prior to this act, remote sensing data from all satellites had to be sold to all users at the same prices, and private remote sensing ventures would have had to sell at the government-set Landsat data prices. There are rumors of several other potential commercial remote sensing ventures working their way through the system at different stages of development. I think the large Landsat and SPOT satellite systems will provide the majority of the satellite remote sensing data market for the next decade or so. In contrast to these large, government-sponsored remote sensing systems, smaller market ventures such as WorldView and others can exploit market niches and use innovative technology, and I believe, can find profitability on the margin. I predict there may be some very interesting ventures appearing in the next year or so.] 4- INVESTMENT FIRM CALLS GD'S SPACE BIZ ""STILL A GOOD INVESTMENT"" Wall Street investment house Morgan Stanley thinks General Dynamic's Space Systems Division could still be a moneymaker, despite having failed in the last 3 Atlas launches. In a recent analyst's report Morgan Stanley said ""We are more than ever convinced that if the company can return the Atlas to its historical 95%-plus success rate, this will become a highly profitable, cash- generating unit."" Based upon discussions with GD's corporate management, Morgan Stanley projects that if the Atlas problems are cleared up the unit could see $70 M in earnings per year by 1995 and $100 M per year by 2000. This is based upon GD's projection of capturing about 10 Atlas launches per year on the world market. [Commentary: Three failures in a row of their launch system has hurt General Dynamic's Space Systems Division. Since GD has restructured to only keep a very few profitable core businesses, many market pundits have been speculating GD's space business might be next to be sold. The Morgan Stanley report indicates GD's Space Systems Division has some potential as a moneymaker, despite current problems -- if they can get their act together. Sales are projected to be about $560 M in 1993, which will probably generate a loss of about $25 M. If GD can capture their projected share of the space launch market, and if they have managed to clean up the reliability of their Atlas launchers, then they could generate healthy profits from those sales. But until they demonstrate the Atlas Centaur program is back on track, this division will continue to show substantial losses. In response to the sell-off rumors, in my opinion, this operation is not a really good candidate for takeover and quick profitability. To do such a takeover, the current set corporate and divisional management would be replaced with another set from outside the firm. In GD SSD's case, to get the division back on track, the management team will have to concentrate hard on the technical problems with the Atlas Centaur, as well as in selling Atlas services. This would indicate only another firm with experience in rocket launch operations could find such talent in-house, and be able to convince customers to buy their launch services. Optimally, the firm would have substantial liquid rocket experience, and experience in marketing space technology internationally as well. Candidates for this might be TRW, Rockwell, Lockheed, and Martin, and possibly McDonnell Douglas and Boeing. But most of those firms have cash flow problems (MDC), have had a substantial business contraction (Boeing and MDC), are involved with other launch firms (Lockheed), or have taken on substantial debt (Martin). And coming up with the $700-1500 M purchase price for the division is a big chunk of change for any company.] 5 - ARIANE PREDICTS DIP IN LAUNCH DEMAND Arianespace, the operator of the Ariane launch system, is projecting a dip in launch demand in the late 1990's. In early February, Arianespace released their annual market survey, which detailed their projection of the space transportation market for the next decade. Over short run, Arianespace expects to retain their dominant position and sustain a majority share of the launch market. Of 54 international and commercial launches planned through 1995, Ariane holds contracts for 31, General Dynamics' Atlas vehicle holds 14 contracts, McDonnell Douglas' Delta holds 7, and Great Wall's Long March vehicle holds 2 launch contracts. Three-quarters of future launch contracts for which Ariane can compete are projected to come from communications satellites with the remaining 25% split between weather, Earth observation, and scientific satellites. Most of the future telecommunications demand growth is predicted to come from the Asia/Pacific region. Arianespace expects the current market consolidation of individual satellite operators into regional or national groups will continue, with these groups investing in heavier satellites with larger communications payloads carrying more transponders. Arianespace predicts the average mass of telecommunications satellites should increase by 20 % over today's average level, to about 3000 kg in GEO. Demand for commercial launch services is expected to remain strong over the next three years, but in the second half of the decade, Arianespace predicts demand will decrease. Arianespace bases this prediction upon a matching of satellite transponder demand and supply, particularly as new data compression techniques appear to could double or triple transponder capacity using existing or near-term transponders. One of the significant possible changes in the market was identified as the arrival of new launch vehicles, including Russian launch systems. But Arianespace predicts that in the long term, investors purchasing launch services are looking for the best trade off between launch service quality and price, and that Russian and other new launch services will have to prove out their capabilities and service quality, and their market penetration will be minimal. [Commentary: Ariane releases their market surveys annually, and I reported on their prior market survey in a past issue of CSN/STI. Comparing the two surveys, there aren't outstanding differences in the numbers. The most notable change is the consideration of new data compression techniques, reducing the demand for new physical transponders on orbit. I note that in contrast to some predictions, demand for space- based communications transponders appears to be remain strong. While fiber optic lines are making substantial inroads into the established point-to-point telecommunications markets, growing demand for telecommunications services world wide and for point-to- multipoint broadcast services have prevented a decrease in space transponder demand. Fiberoptic cables provide a higher capability service, but only from established point A to established point B. To establish a fiberoptic link it is necessary to install cable between the points, and while there are improved network solutions, installing a large network of distributed fiberoptic links can cost millions or billions of dollars. For broadcast services where there is not an existing ground network structure, satellites still offer the most cost effective solution. And if new services are required into a new region, it is cheaper to install a small satellite link costing only a few tens of thousands of dollars and tie into the existing global satellite network. This allows rapid growth of new satellite services, and has kept demand high. The replacement market for fiberoptics is growing as well, since as demand grows between the points serviced, it becomes cost effective to later install a fiberoptic link to handle the increase in traffic. Since the telecommunications and data transfer markets are still growing rapidly, satellite market projections remain rosy. But satellites are also getting longer orbital lifetimes. Current generation satellites are now getting guarantees of at 15 years of on-orbit service or more, in contrast to 10 years of service from last generation's satellites. This has cut back some of the launch demand, as satellite owners are rescheduling replacement satellite launches over longer intervals. And as last note; Arianespace didn't flag it this year, but it looks like the space transportation market will be rather over- supplied by existing launch systems in the near term. The annual commercial launch demand is for about 15-20 medium sized satellites per year. From the supply side, Ariane is capable of launching up to about a dozen medium sized satellites a year, Delta is capable of about 9-12 per year, Atlas is capable of 6-12, Long March 4-8, Japan's H-Vehicle 2-4, Russia's Proton capable of 8, and other systems such as Zenit and Soyuz another 10-20 medium launches per year. That's a lot of capability for a small market. We can only expect the competition to intensify for commercial launches.] 6- NTSB INVESTIGATES PEGASUS LAUNCH OVER ABORTED ABORT The 9 Feb Pegasus launch by Orbital Sciences Corporation has spawned an investigation over an apparent violation of range safety rules. A valid abort order from a NASA range safety officer to halt the mission was overridden and the Pegasus was launched in violation of range safety rules. In the last few minutes of the Pegasus launch countdown, one of two abort command receivers aboard the Pegasus failed. Such a failure typically scrubs a launch,and a NASA range safety officer at Wallops Island, VA issued a mission abort order about a minute before the scheduled Pegasus launch. Somehow this command was overridden by the OSC launch team or the message was lost in the communications channels, and the Pegasus was launched despite the valid abort call. Fortunately, the Pegasus functioned as expected, and the abort command receiver was not needed. But this incident did spark an investigation since a valid abort order was given under agreed-to launch constraint rules, and was not obeyed. Leading the investigation is the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) with support from NASA, OSC, and the Air Force. This investigation marks the first time NTSB has taken the lead on an incident involving a space launch. According to the NTSB, their investigation will take about 6 months, and is primarily looking at lines of authority, communications links and safety procedures used in the launch. [Commentary: This is the first time that the NTSB has led an investigation into a space launch. Their leadership was requested by the Department of Commerce's Office of Commercial Space Transportation, who had licensed the commercial launch. At the time of writing this column, some of the initial investigations have been concluded, and some of the results are starting to leak out into the trade press. Apparently, 3 or four different communications channels were in use during the test. After the abort destruct receiver stopped responding, the NASA test director and range controller in the Mission Control room at Wallops Island gave abort orders about a minute before the launch. According to the mission rules, this should have stopped the launch. Somehow, the OSC test conductor ordered the abort reversed, and the NASA communicator on the net relayed that order to the B-52 carrying the Pegasus at about 22 seconds before launch. Differing explainations of exactly how this happened are proposed -- with the best set being that clear lines of communications and clear definition of the responsibilities of the mission control team, and understanding of the mission rules were not established before the launch. As we see more and more commercial launches, more of these procedural issues are going to crop up and will have to be resolved. This case is interesting because it is the first time the NTSB has been called in to investigate a commercial launch problem (as they do with commercial aircraft problems). I think this problem will turn out to be primarily problems with procedures and communications, and will be cleared up with issuance of guidelines on how launch communications should be set up and how specific lines of authority should be delineated.] 7- ANOTHER PEGASUS COMPETITOR IS ANNOUNCED Tsniimach Enterprise in Russia announced it is marketing a new small space launch system, based upon converted ICBM components. Two versions of the launcher are being marketed: the ""Aerokosmos"" winged vehicle launched like the OSC Pegasus, and the ""Severkosmos"", launched from a mobile ground transporter. The Aerokosmos is projected to deliver 900 kg to a 200 km circular orbit or 580 kg to an 800 km circular orbit, and the Severkosmos to be capable of 430 kg to 200 km orbits and 225 kg to 800 km. Also proposed to be used with these launch systems is a LEO data relay system called 'Sineva'. Tsniimach Enterprise is described as a ex-military establishment, focusing on aerodynamics and thermal protection of spacecraft and which has participated in the development of the Buran shuttle system, They are located near the NPO Energia facility in Kaliningrad, outside of Moscow. [Commentary: There's very little released information on this new venture. My suspicion is it is another Russian enterprise looking for hard currency and trying to capitalize upon their in-house knowledge of ex-Soviet launch systems. It adds to the list of numerous commercial space startups announced from the ex-Soviet Union. This one's a little different in that they are offering variants of ex-Soviet ICBMs, but I can't identify any key customers being targeted or substantial financial backing.] 8- GEORGIA LAUNCH SITE DROPPED FROM PLANNING In late January, Georgia Tech Research Institute released the results of a preliminary study on the feasibility of a commercial rocket launching site in Camden County, Georgia at the old Kingsland Missile Test Launching Site on the Atlantic coast. The preliminary study recommended the site not be pursued as a commercial launch site, stating reopening the site was not feasible due to projected low investment returns, plus environmental and other geographic considerations. However, the report did say the site might be ideal for other aerospace uses, and recommended other potential uses. [Commentary: This should put the nails in the coffin of the Kingsland Commercial Launch Site. While other sites are still proceeding with commercial launch site development plans, Kingsland found without a key customer to act as anchor tenant, and if substantial infrastructure had to be put in, then the expected returns were too low to justify the cost of development. This might point out some key discriminators in judging the feasibility of a commercial launch site. These include: - Is there an identified key customer to provide core usage sufficient to recover setup costs? - Is there a market advantage of using the site? - Can existing infrastructure be used or modified at the site? - Can financing be found at low enough cost to support the investment? Other commercial launch site ventures -- including those at Woomera, Poker Flat, Cape York, White Sands, Alabama Off-Shore Platform, Hawaii, and Vandenberg have to also be judged against these criteria. In my opinion, some of these ventures are flying on hope and speculation, and not on sound financial grounds.] 9- SPAIN'S CAPRICORNIA LAUNCHER STILL PROCEEDING In one of his last official acts, former President Bush authorized space technology transfer for several joint space ventures between US and other firms. One of these was a proposed use of US technology by Spain to build a small booster. With that regulatory impediment removed, the 3-stage Capricornia launch vehicle will start development later this year, planning for a first launch in the 1995/96 time period. The Capricornia is described as a small 3-stage all solid booster designed to put 250-500 Kg into LEO. Several launch sites are being examined for the system, including 2 on the Iberian peninsula and 1 on the Canary Islands. Originated by INTA in Spain, the project reports it has $ 30 M in development funding, and will use technology from Argentina's Condor launch vehicle as well as from the US. [Commentary: Several firms have identified a market opportunity in providing a small launcher for the European market. Small payloads from European firms or organizations currently use either Ariane piggyback launches or the US/Italian Scout launcher. However, Ariane piggyback opportunities are limited, and the Scout program is being phased out (accompanied by some disarray in the Italian government and space industry regarding any follow-on system). This has left an apparent niche for a new European small launch system. Surprisingly enough, ESA has not supported development of such a system within the current space funding structure. Studies have been performed by British Aerospace, Aerospatiale, Deutsche Aerospace, and Italian organizations, but with the exception of the Swedish/PacAstro system (reported below), I have not been able to find any other European development work with even a rumor of funding for hardware. Also of interest is the linking of the Capricornia to the Argentinian Condor launcher. There have been some interesting rumors surfacing out of Argentina over the past year about a space launcher/IRBM program funded under the military junta which ruled the country in the 1970's and early 1980's. What is known is in Feb 1992, the Argentinian Air Force formally transferred control of the Condor 2 missile program to the new civilian Argentinian national space agency (Comison Nacional de Atividades Espaciales - CNAE). The Condor 2 program was described as originating in 1983, expanding upon the smaller Condor 1 rocket program in collaboration with Egypt and with support of German firms. The Condor 2 was also reportedly funded indirectly by Iraq in the mid-1980's. Fairly large solid rocket motors were built and tested, but Argentinan development of a suitable guidance package lagged that of the propulsion system. It should be noted CNAE is planning to launch its first scientific satellite in late 1994. The US$ 9 M, 181 Kg, SAC-B satellite will study the Earth's upper atmosphere and includes cooperative experiments from Italy and the US. No launch vehicle has yet been selected, but OSC's Pegasus and the Russian Burlak Air launched rocket are reported to be strong contenders for this contract.] 10- PACASTRO SIGNS LAUNCH RESERVATION WITH SWEDISH SPACE CORP PacAstro, a small launch firm in Herndon, Virginia announced in late February it had received a $6 M launch reservation contract from the Swedish Space Corp to launch a satellite on PacAstro's PA-2 launch vehicle. This will be performed as part of the Polar Satellite Service (PSS), a joint Norwegian Space Center/ Swedish Space Corp. program to upgrade the Andoya Rocket Range in Norway and offering small satellite launches into the polar regions. According to PacAstro, PSS is also performing an $8 M upgrade of the Andoya launch facilities, including a new integration facility and a fully- enclosed vertical assembly building for small launch vehicles like the PacAstro PA-2. PacAstro has been chosen as ""the main alternative rocket supplier"" for the small satellite launch service to be offered by PSS from Andoya. The date of the launch of the Swedish satellite was not specified. [Commentary: PacAstro has been trying to line up customers and funding for their launch vehicle for some time now. The PA-2 is a small, two stage rocket fueled by RP-1 and Liquid Oxygen. From PacAstro's literature, the engines designed for the PA-series rockets are built of ""off the shelf"" components based upon the Lunar MOdule Descent Engines built by TRW, and are capable of putting a 225 Kg satellite into a 750 km circular polar orbit. PacAstro is trying to arrange construction financing for its first three PA-2 vehicles, with a first launch planned for 1995, and 2 orbital launches planned for 1996. My records show PacAstro hired TRW to provide marketing support and systems design, with primary engineering to be done by AeroAstro, a small satellite builder closely associated with PacAstro (headquartered in the same building). The Swedish Space Corporation would supply engineering, launch operations, vehicle subsystems, and marketing support. Sumitomo Corp. of Tokyo, is a first round investor and sits on the board of directors. PacAstro has gotten a first round financial package of at least $550 K (Some sources place this of high as $1 M), but has been searching for about a year for the additional $20-30 M needed to design, build and launch their first set of vehicles. The launch reservation from SSC can possibly be used to help bring some investors on board, but by my estimate, they will need much more than the single $6 M sale to put their venture into real hardware.] 11- CHINA AND TAIWAN JOINT SATELLITE VENTURE REPORTED In early March, it was reported a joint satellite communications venture between a Taiwanese and mainland Chinese was in the works. As reported in the Taipei press, China Development Corp. (CDC), headquartered in Taiwam and with links to the ruling Nationalist Party, is planning to set up a joint venture in Hong Kong with China Great Wall Industry Corp. with the objective of launching a regional communications satellite. CDC would cover about 10% of the satellite system cost (US $10 M) in exchange for rights to 10% of the satellite's communications channels. [Commentary: This announcement came close on the heels of the release of Taiwanese plans for space development (released in mid January). In those plans, the National Space Program Office of Taiwan will launch 3 satellites, starting with ROCSAT-1, a 400 Kg scientific spacecraft, planned for launch in 1997. Two additional satellites are planned, both communications satellites. TRW has been helping Taiwan plan this program, budgeted at T$13.6 B (US $530 M) through 2006. I haven't been able to establish any relationship between this venture and those of the NSPOT, but there might be a connection. While Taiwan has the financing to pursue several ventures, the current Taiwanese telecommunications market might not support two separate sastellite ventures. The reported name for the Tiawanese/Chinese system is ""Asiasat- 2"", but I don't thinks this has any relationship with the existing Hong Kong-based ""Asiasat"" program involving Chinese, Hong Kong, and other Asian investors, other than using it as an organizational model. There are some obvious advantages to pursuing such a joing venture -- it could provide excellent first-hand experience to Taiwan for a very low cost, which then can be used in later satellite ventures. But there are internal political issues between Taiwanese and Chinese ventures, but putting any joint venture through a Hong Kong intermediary corporation might allow it to proceed. In any case, the East Asian satellite market is lighting up with substantially growth projected in space services and revenues. This is just another indicator to add to the list.] 12- SOUTH KOREA ANNOUNCES NATIONAL MOVE INTO SPACE TECHNOLOGIES South Korea's Trade, Industry and Resources Ministry recently announced plans to invest US$22 B in research and development and another US$17 B into manufacturing and research facilities for advanced aerospace technologies. Space technologies have been specifically targeted as part of this program, beginning with manufacture and launch of an advanced multi-purpose satellite by 1997. The objective of this investment is to raise South Korea's aerospace technology to the level of the world's top 10 countries by 2000. [Commentary: South Korea has been quietly working to develop its national aerospace industry, specifically including space activities. I'm noting this as a flag that potential new players are coming into the commercial space market. As part of their national effort, 2 national telecommunications satellites for Korea Telecom will be launched in April and Oct 1995 on Delta. Designated Koreasat 1 and 2, the platforms will provide television and telephone service throughout the Korean Peninsula, southwestern Japan and portions of China bordering North Korea. South Korea launched its first small satellite piggyback on Ariane in Aug 1992, called Uribyol-1 (Our Star) and costing about US $8.8 M. Uribyol-2 is planned for piggyback launch in October of this year, again on Ariane, and will be entirely ""made in Korea."" Uribyol-3, projected for a 1995 launch, will be an environment- monitoring micro-satellite. This satellite may be the precursor to a series of small Earth observation satellites, The KEOS (Korean Earth Observation System) project, which has been submitted for approval to the South Korean government, would use two or three 300-kg spacecraft equipped with optical and microwave sensors. South Korean press reports claim there is also a parallel military effort to establish the capabilities for building and launching small military satellites by 2001. Supposedly a government panel had been established to oversee such an effort, funded at US $ 500 M between 1993 and 2001, in anticipation of an expected pullout of U.S. intelligence-gathering systems from the Korean peninsula. In conjunction with all of these reported efforts, South Korean is also pursuing production work either as off-sets to existing aerospace technology contracts (for example, McDonnell Douglas is offsetting production of some Delta parts to South Korean firms as part of the Koreasat launch contracts), or for production of consumer space items (among other products, South Korea exports satellite receiver television setups to Japan, and Samsung has announced teaming for production of OSC's Orbcomm user terminals.). This looks like a very aggressive push into space technologies. Considering that East Asia is currently the fastest growing sector for commercial space services (primarily for telecommunications), a South Korean push into space technologies may change the composition of commercial space market there over the next decade.] 13- SPACE TECHNOLOGY INDEXES THROUGH MARCH As announced in the last CSN/STI, each issue will give the results of stock indexes and portfolios regarding space stocks and investments. The table below summarizes results to the end of March. The Space Technology Index did quite a bit better than the market as a whole, as represented by the S&P 500 index. Since 90+% of the values included in the index are US firms, this represents a general increase in the market value of space-related firms. The increase in the first quarter is more than in all of 1992 -- which is a very promising sign, although future months may reverse this trend. The Commercial Space Technology Index has also done quite well, but the Pure Play portfolio -- consisting of stocks of firms which are pure plays in space technologies -- has also surpassed its results in all of 1993. We'll keep an eye on these .... INDEX RESULTS THROUGH MARCH Beginning Beginning 1 Jan 93 to 1992 1993 31 Mar 1993 ------- -------- -------- S&P 500 416 436 (+4.7%) 452 (+3.7%) Space Tech Index 267 304 (+13.6%) 373 (+22.7%) Comm'l Space Tech Index 167 194 (+16.3%) 222 (+14.2%) Space Tech Pure Plays 147 169 (+15.4%) 197 (+16.2%) FINAL NOTES - What? This column's already full? And I still have bunches of commercial space developments to report on. As I said at the start of this, column there's been a lot of interesting happenings - but I'll have to put them into the next issue. Looking ahead, I've got several articles in the works on new happenings with Iridium and the LEO communications satellite market, more news on international launchers appearing (and disappearing) on the market, new international commercial space ventures, and other interesting developments. And as always, I hope you folks find this stuff useful and interesting -- Any and all comments are welcome. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor ""Felicitas multos habet amicos"" P.O. Box 2452 Seal Beach, CA 90740-1452 " 2545,15,"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Portland earthquake Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 67 archau@saturn.wwc.edu (Austin C Archer) writes: >I am interested in views about the non-event of May 3. Seriously, how can a >Christian discriminate between ""messages from God"" which are to be taken >seriously, and those which are spurious? Is there a useful heuristic which >would help us avoid embracing messages which, by their non-fulfillment are >proven to be false, thus causing the name of Christ to be placed in >disrepute? Is this a problem at all? >I believe that a careful understanding of scripture can help us here. It >seems to me that anytime we are proven by events to be mistaken, it points >to a serious failure in understanding God's will. It should result in a >reevaluation of what we accept as truth. >I must hasten to add that I was always skeptical, even cynical, about >these ""prophesies"" as I tend to be concerning all such. But clearly, many >Christians put much stock in them. If the Church represents Christ in the >world, then Christians must avoid being made the laughing-stock of the >world, lest we dishonor Him. Further, the more often we cry ""wolf"", the >less seriously we tend to be taken. >Any comments? Good point -- it is very true that these ""false"" predictions are dangerous--we are warned (more than once) in scripture about false prophtets. However, as is often the case with other issues, one cannot let those who falsly report such ""visions"" as a reason against believing in any of them (I did not get the impression you were asserting this, by the way...I consider my response not so much a response to your posting but a response to the topic as a whole). Example: The Appearances of Mary at Fatima, Portugal in 1917. Among other things, she predicted the conversion of Russia to Atheism (something that happened less than a year later w/ the Bolshevik revolution). She also predicted the second world war (that is, predicte predicted that it would occur during the papacy of a certain pope, who was not the current one. It happened just like she said.) She warned there would be ""fire in the sky"" as a warning that the second world war was about to start. About a week before Germany invaded, weathermen (and women, I suppose) all over Europe, from England to Spain to Eastern Europe, reported the most spectacular reddish color in the sky ever recorded. To this day some try to explain it off as the northern lights, and the relation to Mary's prediction simply coincidence. You all can decide for yourselves. Mary predicted that the Atheistic Russia would spread her evils all over the world and persecute religion. She said many other things as well, too numerous to list here. Every single one has been realized. One can only use the term ""coincidence"" so many times in the same explanation before its use becomes ridiculous. SO...yes, there are many false prophets and many false reports. There are true ones, too. We must always remain open to that. Fatima was one example. There is another one, currently occuring--the apparitions that have been taking place at Medjurgorje, Yugoslavia (or whatever its called now). Mary has been appearing every day for eleven years now. It's time the world started listening. More info available to any who want it. Peace in Christ Our Lord, - Mike Walker mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu " 2546,13,"From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: : {much deleted] : : : The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made : by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to : something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our : immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running : nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history : including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. : Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. -- David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C (617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 " 2547,8,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 13 In <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . The V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose. In the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 2548,10,"From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr16.213513.7683@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: >So I don't know what you mean by parity; Boston never was, is not now, >and never will be as good an organization as the Montreal Canadiens. > Never was? Probably. Is not now? Debatable. What other valid test can you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner? What do you propose, a worthless vote like they do in college football? What a joke! >You Boston fans make me laugh: you're going crazy based on a very >recent Boston domination over Montreal in the playoffs. I mean how >many cups has Boston won compared to Montreal's 23? And who do you >think is going to win the **next** cup between the 2 teams? Montreal >or Boston? You know Sinden's going to find some way of screwing up >even this good Boston team. He'll fire Suter or trade away a vital >star. (Admittedly, his last few trades have been good ones but how >long before his luck runs out and he starts making Esposito-for- >Ratelle type trades again?) > If I remember right, Brad Park was also involved in that trade. He wasn't all that bad a hockey player. But let's look at some of Sinden's trades over the years: ??? for Rick Middleton (Rangers). I don't know who Sinden gave up for Middle- ton, so I'll call this one a +. Barry Pederson for Cam Neely (Canucks). +++. Any questions? Greg Hawgood for Vladimir Ruzicka (Oilers). ++. Didja see that one Rosie roofed against Roy in last year's playoffs? Courtnall/Ranford for Andy Moog (Oilers). A wash. Moog is a good goaltender, Ranford burned Boston in the Finals in his first year, and Courtnall always seems to get his points. Anyone in Vancouver care to comment on Courtnall as a defensive liability? Ken Linseman for Dave Poulin (Flyers) ++. Any more questions? Janney/Quintal for Adam Oates (Blues). ++. Janney is an enormous talent and a personable guy, the the Bruins play in Adam's Division. Enough said? So,even if you count the Esposito/Vadnais/Ratelle/Park/I don't remember who else (Joe Zanussi?) trade as a double minus, Harry the Horse trader comes out on top. I submit that the Bruins are always good because of Harry, not in spite of him. BTW, do you really think the Habs will bounce back next season. I'll bet they finish fourth or fifth in the Conference, behind any of the following: Pittsburgh, Quebec, Boston, Washington, Islanders. Someone correct me if these five teams will not be in Montreal's conference. In summary, things look bleak for the Habs, at least in the near future. I suspect that the next team from La Belle Province to win the Cup will be that team that Lindros didn't want to play for. >I admit that I've been suffering lately with the Boston gets hot while >Montreal swans in the playoffs type years. But I **do** have the sure >knowledge that the Montreal braintrust will keep plugging away until >they hit the right formula for yet another cup. Whereas if I were a >Boston fan, I'd have this kind of despair that as long as Harry Sinden >is running the show, the Bruins will always be good but **never** >good enough. > >- Jack -- Dan Lyddy daniell@cory.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley My Two Favorite Hockey Teams: 1) The Boston Bruins 2) Whoever's playing Pittsburgh " 2549,3,From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au) Subject: Dos 6.0 question Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 17 Could some kind soul please email ma a response since i don't have much time to read this group. Question: I have a 170 MB hard drive which currently has 10 MB left. How much space will DoubleSpace allow me to have?? I have a 486 50 w/ 4 MB Ram if it matters. Thanks in advance Jason -- Jason Brown cs1442au@decster.uta.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fav player Ruben Sierra 2550,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: Re: Adams Division Race Article-I.D.: cbnewsh.1993Apr5.141123.8101 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr2.175052.22810@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, breton@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Pierre Breton) writes: > > > The Adams division race is certainly interesting this year. Here are > important data to keep in mind in the eventuality of a tie for a given > standing position. > > In head to head games: > Quebec wins over Montreal, 4-3-0; > Boston leads against Quebec, 3-1-1 with two games remaining; > Montreal and Boston are tied, 4-4-0 with one game remaining. > > (..) Pierre Breton (aka Fluide Glacial) Pierre, For purposes of the tie breaker, you only count the first three games in each city. Therefore, Quebec cannot possibly be ahead of Montreal 4-3, and there's probably only one game that counts remaining between Boston and Quebec, which means Boston has probably already won. pete clark - rsh FLYERS contact " 2551,3,"From: choe@dirac.phys.washington.edu Subject: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem) Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dirac.phys.washington.edu Keywords: Western Digital, ESDI I have WD1007-WA2 ESDI controller with ROM BIOS v.1.1. It has been working fine until I recently upgraded motherboard to 386-40MHz. Now, my Maxter drive goes crazy making lots of seeking sound even when the drive is not accessed. Of course, with numourous hard disk controller errors. These symptoms disappear when I switch to non-turbo mode (8 MHz). I suspect some timing dependent Rom Bios routines. (There's a newer version 2.x) Could anybody help me on this? By the way, my new mother board has AMI Bios, 128k Cache, 8 MHz bus, and works fine with my old MFM drives (I had to dig them up). :-( Also, I will appreciate it very much if somebody send me the phone numbers (tech support/BBS) for Western Digital. Many thanks in advance. Jay -- Physics, UW, Seattle, WA 98195 (206)543-7543 choe@phys.washington.edu " 2552,11,"From: yerazunis@cthulu.enet.dec.com Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Organization: Turing Police Lines: 22 >cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes: >For example, if I had a program on my disk which created totally random >files looking like encrypted messages and could demonstrate that the file >in question *could have been* created by that program, then my claim that >it was, in fact, created by that program must stand as true (since I'm >innocent) unless someone can prove me wrong. HMMM... that brings up a neat idea. Unfortunately, it's SOOO neat, I think I ought to patent it. So I can't tell you about it. Sorry. :-) -Bill Copyright 1993 William S. Yerazunis (aka Crah the Merciless) All rights reserved, no responsibility taken. ""I love the smell of flash powder in the morning! It smells like...like theatre"" " 2553,2,"From: farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) Subject: Help with changing Startup logo Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA: 800-546-2010 Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: Help with changing Startup logo I know this is probably a FAQ, but... I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of the 3.1 logo. I thought the files that controlled this were \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what the correct files are? Thanks. -- farley@access.digex.com Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 " 2554,4,"From: ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au Subject: Re: SE rom Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: mrl.dsto.gov.au Gosh, I wish people would read the postings that they are 'following up' to. In article , dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley) writes: > seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes: > >>In article , wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes: >>> >>> Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable >>> about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply >>> impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could > >>To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped >>with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's > > I think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded > with the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on The original poster (W G Wright) posted an item saying that he had bought a new wizz-bang Laser Printer from Apple (a Select 300 I think) which can print GrayScale. He then said that he CANNOT PRINT GRAYSCALE from his SE computer (and also that all the 'experts' he has dealt with agree that it is not possible). This is the one major bugbear about doing a 3rd party SE upgrade (compared to Apple's SE to SE/30 upgrade): you will never be able to run Color Quickdraw. It is Color Quickdraw that controls Color AND Grayscale. SEs CAN print some COLOUR: this is because Quickdraw - the original, non-colour version, has the right hooks for eight colours. Some of you will remember the 'SCSIgraph' solution to getting a colour screen for your SE (I think that it gave you sixteen colours by dithering or something). There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult time in duplicating the Mac's ROMs (i.e. Nutek et al.). Just one Caveat: I would have thought that if you were printing a POSTSCRIPT Grayscale image onto a POSTSCRIPT Grayscale printer, that you would be able to do so, whatever Mac you were using. (And I am pretty sure that the Select 300 is NOT a POSTSCRIPT printer [? correct me if I'm wrong?]). Phil Ryan Melbourne, Australia " 2555,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: H.R. violations by Israel/Arab st. Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 37 In article <1483500360@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >I am born in Palestine (now Israel). I have family there. The lack of >peace and utter injustice in my home country has affected me all my life. Bullshit. You've been in Iceland for the past 30 years. You told us so yourself. It had something to do with not wanting to suffer the fate of your mother, who has lived with Jews for a long time or somesuch. Sounded awful. >I am concerned by Palestine (Israel) because I want peace to come to >it. Peace AND justice. Are you as concerned about peace and justice in Palestine (Jordan)? >Israeli trights and Palestinian rights are not symmetrical. The first >party has a state and the other has none. The first is an occupier and >the second the occupied. Let's say that Israel grants the PLO _EVERYTHING THEY EVER ASKED FOR_. That Israel goes back to the 1967 borders. What will the ""Palestinean Arabs"" in Tel-Aviv call themselves? The Palestineans in West Jerusalem? In Haifa? Will they still claim to be ""occupied""? Or do you suggest that Israel expell or kill off any remaining Arabs, much as the Arabs did to their Jews? Indeed, there is much which is not symmetrical about the conflict in the M.E. And most of this lack of symmetry does NOT favor Israel. >Elias Davidsson >Iceland -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 2556,15,"From: dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org (Mark Dotson) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Dayton Microcomputer Association; Dayton, Ohio Lines: 10 : I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a : MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and : he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the : gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he : was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group... Yes, but Jeff also speaks out against listening to bands like Black Sabbath. He says they're into all sorts of satanic stuff. I don't know. Mark (dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org) " 2557,15,From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu Subject: Does God Love You? Lines: 5 I simply wish to thank Dave Mielke (dave@bnr.ca) for sharing the tract concerning God's love. It was most welcome to me and a great source of comfort. Carol Bocher 2558,14,"From: looper@cco.caltech.edu (Mark D. Looper) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Keywords: Galileo, JPL prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >Galileo's HGA is stuck. >The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby. >If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would >cook the foci elements. >question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been >designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? The HGA isn't all that reflective in the wavelengths that might ""cook the focal elements"", nor is its figure good on those scales--the problem is that the antenna _itself_ could not be exposed to Venus-level sunlight, lest like Icarus' wings it melt. (I think it was glues and such, as well as electronics, that they were worried about.) Thus it had to remain furled and the axis _always_ pointed near the sun, so that the small sunshade at the tip of the antenna mast would shadow the folded HGA. (A larger sunshade beneath the antenna shielded the spacecraft bus.) --Mark Looper ""Hot Rodders--America's first recyclers!"" " 2559,13,"From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu Gordon Banks: >a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I think all >of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the fluctuations >in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. Unfortunately, >I'm not one of them. > > This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet/exercise more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid that this method will stop working someday, but usually I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check. This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting (that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle- dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change. I think a vigorous exercise program can go a long way toward keeping the cycles smaller and the baseline weight low. Brian " 2560,2,"From: jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) Subject: Re: cica mirror? Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 2 I find that it's always (almost anyway) busy when I dial, but if I try repeatedly, usually only 5 to 15 tries, I always get connected. " 2561,5,"From: skelley@umiacs.umd.edu (Stephen Kelley) Subject: Expose/Configure event handling (R4 vs R5) Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 Lines: 29 I have two questions (well probably more...) about how Expose & Configure events are handled. I have an appl. which uses 1 window to draw in. Since I give the user the capability of scaling and zooming as well as allowing the window to be resized, I made a translation table for the Expose & Configure events. The Expose event calls my redraw method while the Configure event calls my rescale method. The rescale method invokes a ""fake"" Expose event (actually just calls the redraw w/ an appropriate Expose struct) to draw the data. Quest 1. When the appl. is compiled/linked w/ R4 (running in either R4 or R5 env.) I get multiple (>4) redraws when the window gets uncovered or the size is changed. I assume I'm getting cascading events. Is that right? Any suggestions as to how to handle/trap events in a better way? Quest 2. When the appl. is compiled/linked w/ R5 I get no Expose events whatsoever. Do events and/or translation tables act differently in R5? Thanks in advance Steve -- ========================================================================================== Steve Kelley UMCP CS/UMIACS Captain, I protest! Internet: skelley@umiacs.umd.edu I am *NOT* a merry man! - Worf " 2562,4,"From: kluskens@radar.nrl.navy.mil (Michael S Kluskens) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: Naval Research Laboratory Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr19.131311.25871@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) wrote: > > In article , johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes: > |> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: > |> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your > |> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my > |> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge stuff deleted > |> > |> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get > |> rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough stuff deleted > |> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't > |> format/mount/partition for A/UX. > > All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my > Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed > the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the > Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected > a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes > saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" > even though there was no cartridge in the drive. > > --Mark The problem mentioned last is a known Quadra SCSI problem, it was heavily discussed last year and an Apple employee pointed out that there was a one byte error in the SCSI driver routine for the Quadra's (at least the 700 and 900). System 7.1 should not have that problem, for most people the solution was to get an updated driver from the drive manufactor. In my case MASS Microsystems wrote a new driver which fixed the problem on my Quadra 700, all that occured early last year. Michael S. Kluskens kluskens@radar.nrl.navy.mil Opinions expressed are the author's and not those of his employer. " 2563,5,"From: Wilfred.Hansen@CS.CMU.EDU Subject: CFP: Andrew Technical Conference Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu *Reminder* Plan now for the Andrew Conference. *Date* The dates are as noted below. (We have not changed them.) *Submission extension* We are still accepting papers. *Tutorial topic* _Converting Andrew source code to C++_ This tutorial will discuss the steps necessary to convert a site from C (extended with classC) to C++. Conversion of the source code requires only a couple of steps: run the converter fill in missing type information Describing this will not take long. The remainder of the day will be spent learning how to write objects in C++ and practicing. ------------------------------ 1993 Andrew Technical Conference and Consortium Annual Meeting June 24-25, 1993 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA The conference will be held on the last Thursday and Friday in June. A tutorial will be on Thursday the 24th and the conference proper on the 25th with the annual meeting at the dinner on the evening between the two days. All conference attendees are welcome at the annual meeting, though only Consortium members will be able to vote. This year's theme is Application Construction by Non-Programmers Much of the effort on X toolkits has been aimed at programmer construction of applications. There have, however, been some excellent UIMS systems built on top of X. Papers addressing the theme will consider questions such as What is needed for application construction by non-programmers? Can we avoid programming altogether, or is a simple language needed? Is it sufficient to create applications, or must users be able to create new widgets? Should widgets and applications be able to print themselves? Your participation in the conference is welcome. Papers are appropriate on the theme or any aspect of the Andrew User Interface System, including applications experience with users new objects reviews of and proposals for revision of internal Andrew protocols We expect to have an RS/6000 with video projector available if you would like to do a demonstration. Paper proposals should be submitted by 15 May 1993. Acceptance will be 1 June with final papers due by 15 June. Send papers via electronic mail to wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu. Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium " 2564,9,"From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) Subject: Brewer bullpen rocked again... Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu For the second straight game, California scored a ton of late runs to crush the Brewhas. It was six runs in the 8th for a 12-5 win Monday and five in the 8th and six in the 9th for a 12-2 win yesterday. Jamie Navarro pitched seven strong innings, but Orosco, Austin, Manzanillo and Lloyd all took part in the mockery of a bullpen yesterday. How's this for numbers? Maldanado has pitched three scoreless innings and Navarro's ERA is 0.75. The next lowest on the staff is Wegman at 5.14. Ouch! It doesn't look much better for the hitters. Hamilton is batting .481, while Thon is hitting .458 and has seven RBI. The next highest is three. The next best hitter is Jaha at .267 and then Vaughn, who has the team's only HR, at .238. Another ouch. Looking at the stats, it's not hard to see why the team is 2-5. In fact, 2-5 doesn't sound bad when you're averaging three runs/game and giving up 6.6/game. Still, it's early and things will undoubtedly get better. The offense should come around, but the bullpen is a major worry. Fetters, Plesac and Austin gave the Brewers great middle relief last year. Lloyd, Maldanado, Manzanillo, Fetters, Austin and Orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be successful. Milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either held small leads or kept small deficits in place. The starters will be okay, the defense will be alright and the hitting will come around, but the bullpen is a big question mark. In other news, Nilsson and Doran were reactivated yesterday, while William Suero was sent down and Tim McIntosh was picked up by Montreal. Today's game with California was cancelled. --salty " 2565,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 16 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says: >>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone >>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks! >> You must be _incredibly_ bored. Have you considered reading the phone book? -- -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 2566,12,"From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: >I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what >happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the >name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own >legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and >reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some >more of these critters? For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green .. mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT .. -- lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't (really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy. " 2567,1,"From: spworley@netcom.com (Steve Worley) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 38 bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: >Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, >center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? It's not a bad question: I don't have any refs that list this algorithm either. But thinking about it a bit, it shouldn't be too hard. 1) Take three of the points and find the plane they define as well as the circle that they lie on (you say you have this algorithm already) 2) Find the center of this circle. The line passing through this center perpendicular to the plane of the three points passes through the center of the sphere. 3) Repeat with the unused point and two of the original points. This gives you two different lines that both pass through the sphere's origin. Their interection is the center of the sphere. 4) the radius is easy to compute, it's just the distance from the center to any of the original points. I'll leave the math to you, but this is a workable algorithm. :-) An alternate method would be to take pairs of points: the plane formed by the perpendicular bisector of each line segment pair also contains the center of the sphere. Three pairs will form three planes, intersecting at a point. This might be easier to implement. -Steve spworley@netcom.com " 2568,6,"From: sunbum@cory.Berkeley.EDU (.....) Subject: Stealth VRAM Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Lines: 13 sale item: A brand new Stealth VRAM Hi-Color card w/ 1meg display price : $135 It comes with: install disk Turbo windows 3.x drivers /w 24bit color Halo Desktop Imager (24bit) for windows 3.x Advanced AutoCAD accelerator (includes Big Picture) a complete manual If interested, please e-mail sunbum@cory.berkeley.edu thanks " 2569,11,"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 43 prz@sage.cgd.ucar.edu (Philip Zimmermann) writes: Philip, I think your ideas are well taken and constructive. Thanks for articulating them in this forum. >2) Work the Press. Talk with your local newspaper's science and >technology reporter. Write to your favorite trade rags. Better yet, >write some articles yourself for your favorite magazines or >newspapers. Explain why the Clipper chip initiative is a bad idea. >Remember to tailor it to your audience. The general public may be >slow to grasp why it's a bad idea, since it seems so technical and >arcane and innocent sounding. Try not to come across as a flaming >libertarian paranoid extremist, even if you are one. As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. Any suggestions? Perhaps somebody could post a list of these? >5) Mobilize opposition in industry. Companies that will presumably >develop products that will incorporate the Clipper chip should be >lobbied against it, from within and from without. If you work for a >telecommunications equipment vendor, first enlist the aid of your >coworkers and fellow engineers against this initiative, and then >present your company's management with a united front of engineering >talent against this initiative. Write persuasive memos to your >management, with your name and your colleagues' names on it. Hold >meetings on it. One way to do this might be to suggest that these companies should be implementing their own schemes, not being limited to the govt's scheme. I find that most of my reasons for opposition to the CLipper scheme are algoritm insecurity and mistrust of the govt/NSA. These are hard to sell in letters to the editor and to nontechnical people. Any hints or advice. Maybe a small FAQ-type thing ""Why should I Hate Clipper"" would be a good idea. -- <><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> < Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > < -- Leo Tolstoy > <><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><> " 2570,15,"From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) Subject: Rom 9-11 article ready..requests Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 A section of Richard Badenas' book, ""Christ The End of the Law, Romans 10.14 in Pauline Perspective."" The section I have is on the Contextual setting and meaning of Romans 9-11. In addition, there are 111 endnotes. Since the file is so long, and because of other reasons, I will take requests for the article personally. Of course, I believe Badenas' insights to be true, and, quite damaging to the traditional Augustinian/Calvinist view. ==================================== Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu) University of Georgia, Athens UCNS/Institute of Higher Ed. " 2571,6,"From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Not all deals are bad... Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 30 Fellow netters, I just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out there (even outside of Iowa). I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting space, but I thought you might want some relief from the ""So-and-so is a thief"" posts. Not that I think we shouldn't hear about the bad deals, but it would be nice to hear some good news once in a while. After seeing his post on one of the for sale groups, I mailed Mr. Mark Miller a request for his copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. He suggested a price of $50 in his ad, but when I phoned him, he quoted $40 plus shipping. That sounded more than fair to me, so I told him that I would send him a check the next day. Imagine my surprise when I logged into my account the following day and found a message from him saying that it had already been sold (after I had just mailed the money order). After another E-Mail message to him, he apologized and assured me that it was a mistake - I was the one who he was holding it for. He sent the package as soon as he got the money, along with a letter stating a transfer of license. This wasn't good enough for WordPerfect, so I asked him to fill out one of their forms. No problem - we thought. It took three times to get it to the right address (my fault). Anyway, he mailed me the form for my signature and included a Workbook that I had no idea was included in the deal. Again, he apologized for not sending it before. I now have the world's best word processor and a renewed hope in the world that there are a few good ones left. I recoend that if you ever see that Mark is selling anything thatat you may want, give him a call. If I had the choice, I would purchase all of my software from him. Bravo, Mr. Miller! - Kevin Harter " 2572,2,"Subject: Cornerstone DualPage driver wanted From: tkelder@ebc.ee (Tonis Kelder) Nntp-Posting-Host: kask.ebc.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 13 Lines: 13 I am looking for a WINDOW 3.1 driver for Cornerstone DualPage (Cornerstone Technology, Inc) video card. Does anybody know, that has these? Is there one? Thanks for any info, To~nis -- To~nis Kelder Estonian Biocentre (tkelder@kask.ebc.ee) " 2573,13,"From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Article-I.D.: bunyip.C5wwGz.17G Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland Lines: 45 dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again. >Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too! >Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world. >Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless. >I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who >responds to ""miracle cures."" >Yeah, ""it makes sense to me"", so of course it should be taken seriously. >Snort. >Yeah, ""it sounds reasonable to me"". >Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass. >More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome. >You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused >in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic. >The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks. >The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap >and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any >systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without >any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use >IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve >the ""yeast"" problem once and for all. >Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating >your symptoms. >Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate >to think my insurance premiums are going towards this. Steve, take a look at what you are saying. I don't see one construvtive word here. If you don't have anything constructive to add, why waste the bandwidth - yeah, sure, flame me for doing it myself. Is this sci.med or alt.flame? Like it or not, medical science does *not* know categorically everything about everything. I'm not flaming your knowledge, just asking you to sit back and ask yourself ""what if?"" ""Minds are like parachutes - they only function when they are open."" Oh - and if you *do* want to flame me or anyone else, how about using email? Rob Who doesn't claim any relevant qualifications, just interest -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Geraghty | 3 things are important to me robg@citr.uq.oz.au | The gift of love, the joy of life CITR | And the making of music in all its forms " 2574,4,"From: cmwand@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Wand) Subject: Re: Syquest 150 ??? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <93759@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim) writes: >I remember someone mention about a 150meg syquest. Has anyone else >heard anything about this? I'd be interested in the cost per megabyte and the >approximate cost of the drive itself and how they compare to the Bernoulli 150. I think you must be talking about the Syquest 105 (code named Mesa I believe). It is a 3.5"" Winchester technology drive pretty much like the other Syquest drives in terms of how it works. According to the latest MacLeak, the drive has a 14.5 ms access time, 1.9 MB/s sustained throughput (these figures are from memory so they could be slightly off, but they give you an idea of performance nonetheless). The drive was originally released for the PC and just recently was released for the Mac world (don't ask me what the differences are) and through they are currently in limited supply, according to a Syquest rep. they are in the process of ramping up for mass production. I have already seen them advertised by a number of manufacturers in MacLeak including PLI, MassMicro, ClubMac, and MacWarehouse's PowerUser. The PLI and MassMicro units are priced at just around $1000; the lesser name brands are going for around $750 for an external drive. Cartridges which hold 105 MB sell for about $80 each. At these prices, the drives and cartridges are cheaper and better performing than the 88MB drives. Cost per megabyte compares favorably with other cartridge drives and Bernoulli drives, but for large amounts of data optical is still cheaper, and more reliable. Personally, I'm excited by the new drive and look forward to getting my hands on one. -Chris Wand -- ""Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity."" - Frank Leahy " 2575,9,"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Distribution: na Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 34 Substituting irony for brains, (Bruce Klopfenstein) said: >dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we're comparing Alomar the individual with >> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count. >I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don't >count for anything. Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR? Most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the batter did something good. I use the phrase ""happened to be"" advisedly. Lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the most ability to ""turn it up a notch"" in clutch/RBI/whatever situations, and what they've found is that there is no evidence that *anyone* has such an ability to any measurable extent. There are no clutch hitters. People who tend to do things that *would* cause an RBI if there were somebody on base end up getting RBIs proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by being in position. >My mistake. I agree. -- David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning | And in Denver they call you a slugger? ""The Big Catullus"" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!? " 2576,14,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 102 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr23.184732.1105@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes... {Description of ""External Tank"" option for SSF redesign deleted} >Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, >and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors >I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter >seems more likely. Yo Ken, let's keep on-top of things! Both the ""External Tank"" and ""Wingless Orbiter"" options have been deleted from the SSF redesign options list. Today's (4/23) edition of the New York Times reports that O'Connor told the panel that some redesign proposals have been dropped, such as using the ""giant external fuel tanks used in launching space shuttles,"" and building a ""station around an existing space shuttle with its wings and tail removed."" Currently, there are three options being considered, as presented to the advisory panel meeting yesterday (and as reported in today's Times). Option ""A"" - Low Cost Modular Approach This option is being studied by a team from MSFC. {As an aside, there are SSF redesign teams at MSFC, JSC, and LaRC supporting the SRT (Station Redesign Team) in Crystal City. Both LeRC and Reston folks are also on-site at these locations, helping the respective teams with their redesign activities.} Key features of this option are: - Uses ""Bus-1"", a modular bus developed by Lockheed that's qualified for STS and ELV's. The bus provides propulsion, GN&C Communications, & Data Management. Lockheed developed this for the Air Force. - A ""Power Station Capability"" is obtained in 3 Shuttle Flights. SSF Solar arrays are used to provide 20 kW of power. The vehicle flies in an ""arrow mode"" to optimize the microgravity environment. Shuttle/Spacelab missions would utilize the vehilce as a power source for 30 day missions. - Human tended capability (as opposed to the old SSF sexist term of man-tended capability) is achieved by the addition of the US Common module. This is a modified version of the existing SSF Lab module (docking ports are added for the International Partners' labs, taking the place of the nodes on SSF). The Shuttle can be docked to the station for 60 day missions. The Orbiter would provide crew habitability & EVA capability. - International Human Tended. Add the NASDA & ESA modules, and add another 20 kW of power - Permanent Human Presence Capability. Add a 3rd power module, the U.S. habitation module, and an ACRV (Assured Crew Return Vehicle). Option ""B"" - Space Station Freedom Derived The Option ""B"" team is based at LaRC, and is lead by Mike Griffin. This option looks alot like the existing SSF design, which we have all come to know and love :) This option assumes a lightweight external tank is available for use on all SSF assembly flights (so does option ""A""). Also, the number of flights is computed for a 51.6 inclination orbit, for both options ""A"" and ""B"". The build-up occurs in six phases: - Initial Research Capability reached after 3 flights. Power is transferred from the vehicle to the Orbiter/Spacelab, when it visits. - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist language) is achieved after 8 flights. The U.S. Lab is deployed, and 1 solar power module provides 20 kW of power. - Permanent Human Presence Capability occurs after 10 flights, by keeping one Orbiter on-orbit to use as an ACRV (so sometimes there would be two Orbiters on-orbit - the ACRV, and the second one that comes up for Logistics & Re-supply). - A ""Two Fault Tolerance Capability"" is achieved after 14 flights, with the addition of a 2nd power module, another thermal control system radiator, and more propulsion modules. - After 20 flights, the Internationals are on-board. More power, the Habitation module, and an ACRV are added to finish the assembly in 24 flights. Most of the systems currently on SSF are used as-is in this option, with the exception of the data management system, which has major changes. Option C - Single Core Launch Station. This is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter cylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on the backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a regular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket motors, and launch the can. Some key features are: - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against micrometeroid & orbital debris) - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end) - 7 berthing ports - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet (twice the volume of skylab). - 7 floors, center passageway between floors - 10 kW of housekeeping power - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal loops, dual environmental control & life support system) - increased crew time for utilization - 1 micro-g thru out the core module " 2577,19,"From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) Subject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net RE: Red, wwhite, and black, the colors of the Imperial German war-flag -- Go further back still. There are +XVIII Prussian drinking songs celebrating the red, the white and the black -- the colors, as Fletcher Pratt points out, of blood and iron. -- Diccon Frankborn " 2578,1,"From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 22 In article rowlands@hc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands) writes: > >A few years ago a friend and I took some 256 grey-level photos from >a 1 bit Mac Plus screen using this method. Displaying all 256 levels >synchronized to the 60Hz display took about 10 seconds. Why didn't you create 8 grey-level images, and display them for 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128... time slices? This requires the same total exposure time, and the same precision in timing, but drastically reduces the image-preparation time, no? -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham (205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station (205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 " 2579,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public > or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that > inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold > cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."" Declaration of Independence 4 July 1776 aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 2580,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 17 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) says: >or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and >buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an >in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon. I'd buy the Legacy in a >minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they >seem sentimentally attached to. What do you find so wrong with the flat 6 in the Subaru's, or the flat 4 for that matter? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 2581,4,"Subject: MAC to LaserJet IIIp From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg) Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu Lines: 12 I have a friend who has a MAC (LC or LC II I think), and her family has an ""extra"" LaserJet IIIp sitting around. Is there any way to connect these two and make them work without a postscript cartridge? She told me that a random friend of hers had mentioned something about some software package that could do the translation... -Rick -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Osterberg osterber@husc.harvard.edu 617-493-7784 617-493-3892 | | 2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center Cambridge, MA 02138-7510 USA | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2582,15,"From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 27 In article mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes: >In jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes: > >> Method Expected Actual >> ------ Failure Rate Failure Rate >> Abstinence 0% 0% > > > These figures don't seem to take account of rape. Or is a woman who >is raped considered not to have been abstaining? I no longer have the textbook, but abstinence was defined as something like ""no contact between the penis and the vagina, vulva, or area immediately surrounding the vulva, and no transfer of semen to the vagina, vulva, or area surrounding the vulva"". That is, abstinence wasn't discussed as ""sex outside of marriage is morally wrong"" but as keep the sperm away from the ovum and conception is impossible. The moral question I recall the teacher asking was, ""is it okay to create a child if you aren't able to be a good parent yet?"" -jen -- #include // jenk@microsoft.com // msdos testing " 2583,4,"From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: Looking for free/share wares Originator: guckes@medusa X-Mail-Reader: Elm 2.4 PL21 Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: comp X-News-Reader: NN 6.4.13 #13 Lines: 14 young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (YOUNG Shio Hong) writes: >I am looking for ftp sites (where there are freewares or sharewares) for Mac. >It will help a lot if there are driver source codes in those ftp sites. >Any information is appreciated. F A Q ! Reference: Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.answers,news.answers Subject: Introductory Macintosh frequently asked questions (FAQ) Sven :) " 2584,0,"From: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) Organization: VideOcart Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 23 : >> The death penalty was conceived as a deterrent to crime, but the legal : >> shenanigans that have been added (automatic appeals, lengthy court : >> battles, etc.) have relegated that purpose to a very small part of what : >> it should be. Hence the question is, do we instate the death penalty as : >> it was meant to be, and see if that deters crime, or do we get rid of : >> it entirely? I doubt the death penalty was supposed to be a ""deterrent"" to crime. If so, why doesn't every crime carry a death penalty ? That would be effictive wouldn't it ??? The death penalty is a punishment, much like a $50 fine for speeding is a punishment. Anyway, somebody with murder on the mind doesn't much care about the consequences. I think another problem is that people dont think they will get caught. If I wanted to kill another person, I wouldn't care what the penalty was if I didn't think I would get caught. If it was to be strictly a deterrent, it should have been more along the lines of torture. Dave Fuller dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com " 2585,10,"From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) Subject: Hey FLYERS Fans! Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqvti$74p Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu Did you ever notice how many people on the net have trouble in the comparitively easy task of spelling the nick name of our fair city? I never knew that Philadelphia becomes Phillie or Philli when spoken of. So for all you who don't know yet here's a _little_ clue. IT IS SPELLED: P H I L L Y OK...thank you. Oh yeah, about that drug-induced trade rumor....I don't think the Sniders are that stupid...the rumor you should be looking into is Mike Keenan coming back to coach the FLYERS. later Mike -- Mike Cornell | ""There are a great many people in the country today who, mac18@po.cwru.edu| through no fault of their own, are sane."" -Monty Python ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's Go Flyers! Stanley Cup in '94! ""OH! My brain hurts!""- Mr D. P. Gumby " 2586,9,"From: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan x2313 5-1) Subject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!! Lines: 20 MIF101@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > > I heard about a month back that the Red Sox are getting a new dome stadium. > I have relatives that just moved up that way, and they said about the city > releasing the funds. Can anybody verify this? > to a game > > Bosox fan in Pa I have lived in the Boston area for 15 years now. They have been talking about a new Boston Garden (hockey/basketball) since I've lived here. One day the ""last hurdle"" has been overcome, and the next day there's a new hurdle. Fans have been grumbling about Foxboro Stadium (or whatever it's called this year) for nearly as long, but there are only preliminary proposals for a new stadium. Local politics prevents anything from being done in a timely fashion. There will not be a new ballpark in my lifetime. Max Logan Nashua NH " 2587,11,"From: elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: University of Houston Lines: 27 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: menudo.uh.edu In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 02:41:55 GMT David Sternlight writes: > I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from > some Swiss or anbody Japanese. What??? This is an incredible statement! The NSA tried to suppress public key crypto and RSA, and yet they claim to encourage use of strong crypto for US citizens. Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an ""open system"" from elsewhere? /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf@menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/ -- /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf@menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/ " 2588,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Is OT Valid???? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 31 Peir-Yuan Yeh asks: >I wonder if the OT is not exactly like Jewish history. Are they the same >or part of them are the same? How about Torah? Are the first five books >of OT as the same as Torah????? Yes, yes, and yes. Jewish history as recorded in the Old Testament and as shown by archaeology are the same. Kings, revivals, Temples, and all. The Torah, as far as I know, is the five books of Moses. Then come the Prophets (all the Prophets, plus Joshua, Judges, 1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings) and the Writings (Psalms, Proverbs, Lamentations, Ruth, Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah, Ecclesiates, Song of Songs, 1&2 Chronicles, Job). And the veracity of Isaiah, which you quoted to your Moslem friend is quite well known. A complete manuscript exists that dates back to past 200 BC, and is kept in a Museum in Israel. It was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, which greatly enhanced our knowledge of the veracity of the Old Testament, as they date back to around the time of Christ, whereas before, the oldest complete manuscript in Hebrew was from around 900 AD. Your Moslem friend is sorely mistaken, but understandably so. If Jesus was crucified, and atoned for our sins, he must have been God, for only the death of God could atone for the sins of all humanity. And as Isaiah predicts, the messiah will be called ""the mighty God."" And if he was God, then he must have rose, for as St. Paul wrote, it was not possible that death could hold him. And if Jesus rose from the dead, your Moslem friend would have little reason to be a Moslem. Which is why he denies the authenticity of the Old Testament. Andy Byler " 2589,1,"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr19.144533.6779@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: >In ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes: > >>Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number >>of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as >>things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, ""APOLLO"") rather than under >>the image subject. >> >For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF >of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere. >E-mail me and I'll send it you... Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. " 2590,3,"From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) Subject: Re: (Q) CONNER HD specs Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 17 In <199304181719.AA08489@sune.stacken.kth.se> hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) writes: >Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications? >It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values, >precomp, etc. >Heikki Haldre Internet: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se conner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response data bank giving all the info. if you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the phone number of ""conner peripherals,"" you should get what you need. dannyb@panix.com all the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be. " 2591,7,"From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 27 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 In article rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: >Yes, I saw a 200 Turbo Quattro wagon on I-287 in NJ on Monday. I thought >Audi stopped selling wagons in the US after the 5000. This is exactly the >type of vehicle I would like to own. I bet its price is 4-5 times my >car budget. think again!! thanks to 60 minutes (tick tick tick), used 200 quattros are bargains.. '89s go for about $15K, '90s go for perhaps 1 or 2K more, the 20 valve 91's are quite a bit more because of an enormous hp and torque gain.. i think they go for about $23 to $25K if you can find one. i have seen quite a lot of '89-'90 200 quattros (not that many wagons though) at the dealer lot.. they use very high quality paint and the entire car is zinc galvanized, so it will never rust. in short, typically a 4 yr old 200 looks no more older than a 1 year old and the 5 bangers are bullet proof engines. 200K out of one is not rare, even for a turbo, which is watercooled for the 200s. then there are aftermarket chips that you can buy to bump up turbo boost... if you are into luxo-gizmos.. the cars are loaded with just about everything too.. the price of parts is a different story though... eliot " 2592,5,"From: guy@x.co.uk (Guy Singh) Subject: Re: >>>>> MOUSE BUTTONS 1,2 & 3 <<<<<<<< urgent ! In-Reply-To: it4ik@dmu.ac.uk's message of 5 Apr 93 10:10:23 GMT X-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated. Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: yorks.x.co.uk Organization: Not a lot X-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message. >>>>> On 5 Apr 93 10:10:23 GMT, it4ik@dmu.ac.uk (I Kler) said: IK> Nntp-Posting-Host: elm IK> I know it sounds stupid, but.... IK> Does anyone know how to control individual mouse buttons. IK> I am writing an application, which currently makes use of IK> ButtonPressMask, however this is invoked by the pressing IK> of any mouse button. I want to be able to restrict this IK> to one of the 3 buttons. I tried Button1PressMask, but IK> just get undefined errors. I know it can be done, and I IK> am pretty sure theres an easy answer to it, but I just don't know IK> what it is. IK> ""time is of the essence ..."" There is no event mask for a particular mouse button press. However in your event handler you can use the event structure passed in and query it to find which button was pressed i.e. void SomeEventHandler(Widget w, XtPointer data, XEvent *event) { /* Catch the button 1 (usually left button) */ if ( event->xbutton.button == Button1 ) { /* do some action */ } else { /* do nothing and exit from function */ } } -- -Guy Singh, IXI Internet: guy@x.co.uk Vision Park UUCP: guy@ixi.uucp Cambridge Bang: ...!uunet!ixi!guy CB4 4ZR, UK Tel: +44 223 236 555 " 2593,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 38 | Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. | It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production | would have to be local. There are not all that many people | who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile | firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could | obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and | average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would | pay through the nose for it. This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we have a road system that is the envy of the world? I seem to recall incidents in the past where Chinese entreprenaurs attempted to smuggle AK-47s (semi-autos) into this country to get around import number limitations (May have been Gunweek where I read that years ago...) Any person with high-school drafting skills and vocational school machineshop training could produce a submachinegun. You talk about the average person not being able get even a zip-gun; well now, think of all that private CNC controlled machinery that is not being used for 3 shifts a day; do you think that if guns were being sold on the black market for say, $150, an enterprising mechanical engineer could be using that machinery to produce workable submachineguns for sale? After all, GUNWEEK had an article and pictures on how BATF was looking for the manufacturer of quite efficient silencers that were of commercial quality and finish. Look at it this way, 25% of the U.S. households have a handgun. Say at least half of those keep one for self-defense. You are talking a potential market of of tens of millions of people who would seek firearms for the purpose of self-preservation. Only a fool would believe that market would not be filled, regardless of government prohibitions. " 2594,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 14 In article <1r6f3a$2ai@news.umbc.edu> rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) writes: >>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >>to compute sunrise and sunset times. > >Here is a computation I did a long time ago that computes the length >of the daylight. You should be able to convert the information here >to sunrise and sunset times. Sorry, not so -- the changes in sunrise and sunset times are not quite synchronized. For example, neither the earliest sunrise nor the latest sunset comes on the longest day of the year. You can derive day length from sunrise and sunset times, but not vice-versa. " 2595,16,"From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu In article <81930415084418/0005111312NA3EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes: >Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well >stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being >distributed by the good folks who work there. Traders, BTW, is located in >San Leandro, CA. . . . >The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer >see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. > >These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for >sporting use or self-protection. They certainly have the right to do so, under >the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. Are you sure about this? I'm currently looking at a copy of last Thursday's SF Chronicle and there is the typical one column Traders ad on page C7 in the Sports section. Not only that, but there is a part in the middle which rather prominently says ""WANTED: We pay cash for assault rifles and pistols."". Granted, I haven't seen today's paper yet. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Traders ad in it. It's probably worth it to write to the Chronicle (and other papers) anyway, because all their anti-gun editorials are disgusting. By the way, let me put in a plug for Traders. I have shopped all over the SF Bay Area and I have never seen another store with lower prices. And their selection is amazing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2596,12,"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: OEM weight scale Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 13 Does someone sell OEM scale units with either analog or digital output? I need something like the scales used in supermarket cash registers, with a dynamic range of a few pounds and reasonable accuracy. Any sources ? -David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University | | Campus Box 1185 | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2597,14,"From: tom@igc.apc.org Subject: computer cult Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1469100033:000:2451 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tom Apr 24 09:26:00 1993 Lines: 59 From: Subject: computer cult From scott Fri Apr 23 16:31:21 1993 Received: by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 ) id AA16121; Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:31:09 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:31:09 PDT Message-Id: <9304232331.AA16121@igc.apc.org> From: Scott Weikart Sender: scott To: cdplist Subject: Next stand-off? Status: R Redwood City, CA (API) -- A tense stand-off entered its third week today as authorities reported no progress in negotiations with charismatic cult leader Steve Jobs. Negotiators are uncertain of the situation inside the compound, but some reports suggest that half of the hundreds of followers inside have been terminated. Others claim to be staying of their own free will, but Jobs' persuasive manner makes this hard to confirm. In conversations with authorities, Jobs has given conflicting information on how heavily prepared the group is for war with the industry. At times, he has claimed to ""have hardware which will blow anything else away"", while more recently he claims they have stopped manufacturing their own. Agents from the ATF (Apple-Taligent Forces) believe that the group is equipped with serious hardware, including 486-caliber pieces and possibly Canon equipment. The siege has attracted a variety of spectators, from the curious to other cultists. Some have offered to intercede in negotiations, including a young man who will identify himself only as ""Bill"" and claims to be the ""MS-iah"". Former members of the cult, some only recently deprogrammed, speak hesitantly of their former lives, including being forced to work 20-hour days, and subsisting on Jolt and Twinkies. There were frequent lectures in which they were indoctrinated into a theory of ""interpersonal computing"" which rejects traditional roles. Late-night vigils on Chesapeake Drive are taking their toll on federal marshals. Loud rock and roll, mostly Talking Heads, blares throughout the night. Some fear that Jobs will fulfill his own apocalyptic prophecies, a worry reinforced when the loudspeakers carry Jobs' own speeches -- typically beginning with a chilling ""I want to welcome you to the 'Next World' "". - - -- Roland J. Schemers III | Networking Systems Systems Programmer | G16 Redwood Hall (415) 723-6740 Distributed Computing Group | Stanford, CA 94305-4122 Stanford University | schemers@Slapshot.Stanford.EDU " 2598,11,"From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Little to None Lines: 18 In article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes: >That leads me to conjecture that: ... >2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks I seriously doubt that any practical implementation of this proposal would place the onus on the individual to register keys. Realistically, the Clipper-Chip will probably emit an ID code which will serve as the identifier when requesting the key fragments. The chip manufacturer would register this identifier code vs. key combination when the chip is made and the (uninitiated) end-user can therefore remain completely outside the loop. The chip could be used in a cellular phone, a modem, or other device -- it really makes no difference: When the authorities detect the use of this encryption standard during surveillance, they would then capture the ID and apply for the key in order to decrypt the data. -- Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards: 614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from. " 2599,8,"From: staal@idt.unit.no (Staal Amund Vinterbo) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Reply-To: staal@idt.unit.no (Staal Amund Vinterbo) Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology Lines: 33 In article , mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: |> |> Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to |> be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering |> theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at |> the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn. |> And that was my original point. |> |> Mike While I agree with you on that formal training is essential for safe riding, I disagree strongly with your original point. The point of formal training must be to prepare riders for the road. Preparedness is in my opinion to know as much as possible. So, to exclude some aspects of riding a bike in a course is wrong IMHO. Now to countersteering in particular. Countersteering is something that must be trained. A common reaction among new bikers (or bicycle riders) in an emergency situation, is to steer the motorcycle like a bicycle. As we know this makes the motorcycle go in the direction opposite to what was intended. Needless to say, this is dangerous. I have a specific example: A rider in a left turn. The rider thinks he/she is to close to the right shoulder of the road, and tries to steer the motorcycle to the left by pulling the left handle and pushing the right handle. The motorcycle straightens up and goes off the road. A worse scenario: The same rider, same turn. In the middle of the turn the rider sees a truck coming towards him/her. The panicking rider tries to steer the motorcycle away from the truck and crashes right into it. The main function of a riding course is to teach how to avoid emergency situations, AND what to do if in one. Thus, the knowledge (and training) of countersteering is IMHO a must in any riding course. -- staal@idt.unit.no " 2600,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: food-related seizures? Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 27 SP> From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) SP> to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced SP> a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted SP> Flakes. SP> Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had SP> a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am SP> When I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for SP> the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea. Now SP> after this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even SP> he is scratching his head. There's no data that sugar-coated cereals cause seizures. I haven't even seen anything anecdotal on it. Given how common they are eaten - do you know any child or adolescent who *doesn't* eat the stuff? - I think that if there were a relationship we would know it by now. Also, there's nothing weird in those cereals. As far as the brain is concerned (except for a few infantile metabolic disorders such as galactosemia), sugar is sugar, regardless if it is coated on cereal, sprinkled onto cereal, or dissolved in soda, coffee or whatever. There was some interest a few years ago in aspartame lowering seizure thresholds, but I don't believe anything ever came of it. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 2601,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: On the eve of 78th Anniversary Commemoration of the Turkish Holocaust. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 232 In article <1993Apr20.214322.8698@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: OY] Henrik (?), OY] Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not OY] going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. > Good !! Go back to your references and read it over and over ... I wish the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government would do that. Well, if you prefer to imagine that the American, European, Jewish and Armenian scholars were trying to mislead 'Arromdians', be my guest. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" Source: ""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952). (Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph). 'The most are inside houses. Come you and look.' 'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-' 'One is a Turkish officer in uniform. Him you must see.' ""We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space.... 'I don't believe you,"" I said, but followed to a nail-studded door. The man pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me to check on the corpse. I thought I should, this charge was so constant, so gritted my teeth and went inside. The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark at first, for its stone walls had only window slits. Rags strewed the mud floor around an iron tripod over embers that vented their smoke through roof beams black with soot. All looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As the door swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's body lying face up, naked but for its grimy turban. He was about fifty years old by what was left of his face - a rifle butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted, as with Tartars rather than with Turks. Any uniform once on him was gone, so I'd no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at the mess of his slashed genitals."" p. 363 (first paragraph). 'How many people lived there?' 'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned. 'Did you see any Turk officers?' 'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.' ""The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me - Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion, Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would have been. From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around..... The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even spinning-wheels. 'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must leave.'...We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And for hours the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. Like Lot's wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in a sack of other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'"" p. 354. ""At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian, but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on Moslem villages."" p. 358. ""It will be three hours to take,"" Dro told me. We'd close in on three sides. ""The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets,"" Merrimanov said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow. ""That is for morale,"" Dro put in. ""We must keep the Moslems in terror."" ""Soldiers or civilians?"" I asked. ""There is no difference,"" said Dro. ""All are armed, in uniform or not."" ""But the women and children?"" ""Will fly with the others as best they may."" p. 360. ""The ridges circled a wide expanse, its floors still. Hundreds of feet down, the fog held, solid as cotton flock. 'Djul lies under that,' said Dro, pointing. 'Our men also attack from the other sides.' Then, 'Whee-ee!' - his whistle lined up all at the rock edge. Bayonets clicked upon carbines. Over plunged Archo, his black haunches rippling; then followed the staff, the horde - nose to tail, bellies taking the spur. Armenia in action seemed more like a pageant than war, even though I heard our Utica brass roar. As I watched from the height, it took ages for Djul to show clear. A tsing of machine-gun fire took over from the thumping batteries; cattle lowed, dogs barked, invisible, while I ate a hunk of cheese and drank from a snow puddle. Mist at last folded upward as men shouted, at first heard faintly. The came a shrill wailing. Now among the cloud-streaks rose darker wisps - smoke. Red glimmered about house walls of stone or wattle, into dry weeds on roofs. A mosque stood in clump of trees, thick and green. Through crooked alleys on fire, horsemen were galloping after figures both mounted and on foot. 'Tartarski!' shouted the gunner by me. Others pantomimed them in escape over the rocks, while one twisted a bronze shell-nose, loaded, and yanked breech-cord, firing again and again. Shots wasted, I thought, when by afternoon I looked in vain for fallen branch or body. But these shots and the white bursts of shrapnel in the gullies drowned the women's cries. At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly, through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in- arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."" p. 361 (fourth paragraph). ""Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress. The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below his neck, into the spine. There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."" p. 358. ""...more stories of Armenian murdering Turks when the czarist troops fled north. My hosts told me of their duty here: to keep tabs on brigands, Turkish troop shifts, hidden arms, spies - Christian, Red or Tartar - coming in from Transcaucasus. Then they spoke of the hell that would break loose if Versailles were to put, as threatened, the six 'Armenian' vilayets of Turkey under the control of Erevan... An Armenia without Armenians! Turks under Christian rule? His lips smacked in irony under the droopy red moustache. That's bloodshed - just Smyrna over again on a bigger scale."" Source: ""U.S. Library of Congress"": 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence Container #34. ""While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to govern or handle other races under their power."" Source: K. Gurun, ""The Armenian File,"" (London, Nicosia, Istanbul, 1985). ""Many Muslim villages have been destroyed by the soldiers of Armenian troops armed with cannons and machine guns before the eyes of our troops and the people.....According to documented information, 28 Muslim villages have been destroyed...young Muslim women have been taken to Kars and Gumru, hundreds of women and children who were able to flee their villages were beaten and killed in the mountains..."" Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481. ""As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre of the Tartar population."" Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24, 1921 issue of the newspaper ""Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"" ""Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army, it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."" Source: Quoted by General Hamelin in a letter to the High Commissioner, February 2, 1919, in the official history, ""Les Armees Francaises au Levant,"" vol. 1, p. 122. ""They [Armenians] burned and destroyed many Turkish villages as punitive measures in their advance and practically all Turkish villages in their retreat from Marash."" Source: John Dewey, ""The Turkish Tragedy"", The New Republic, Volume 40, November 12, 1928, pp. 268-269. ""that they [Armenians] boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" Need I go on? Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2602,10,"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: Hockey & The Hispanic community Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 6 Originator: icop@csa Relying on Canadian tourists and transplanted Northeasterners to support a team in Miami is crazy; espaecially when you have really deserving cities without a team such as San Diego & Milwaukee. I wish the Panthers or whatever their name is well but if they can't sell to Hispanics, they're in deep doo-doo. Already, there are rumors that Tampa may move to Milwaukee. " 2603,5,"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How? Organization: The Internet Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu stolk@fwi.uva.nl writes: >> >> A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is different >> from the visual of the parent (which uses the default visual which is TC24). >> You've got to set border_pixel in your window attributes. The default is CopyFromParent which gives the BadMatch. Do this: ... unsigned long valuemask; ... /* * if border_width is non-zero you'd better alloc a colour from cmap * rather than use any old pixel value. Also, use valuemask, it makes * the code more obvious. */ attr.colormap = cmap; attr.border_pixel = 0; valuemask = CWColormap | CWBorderPixel; win = XCreateWindow( dpy, DefaultRootWindow(dpy), 10,10, width,height, 0, /* border width. see comment below */ 8, /* depth */ InputOutput, /* class */ vinfo.visual, /* visual */ valuemask, &attr ); A note on border_width: your code looked like this: >> win = XCreateWindow( >> dpy, >> DefaultRootWindow(dpy), >> 10,10, >> width,height, >> CopyFromParent, /* border width */ >> 8, /* depth */ >> InputOutput, /* class */ >> vinfo.visual, /* visual */ >> CWColormap, >> &attr >> ); border_width set to CopyFromParent works but doesn't make sense. border_width should be an unsigned int. You get away with it because CopyFromParent is #define'ed to be zero in X.h. If it happened to be defined as -1 you'd get a very interesting looking window! Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. " 2604,16,"From: cwwhite@vax2.concordia.ca (Stephen White) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: vax2.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University Lines: 25 In article , rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes... >In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his >>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >>Duke. >I'd hardly call that ""giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US""; >the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, >it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. > Robert Exactly, after all he was in the same party, probably just didn't want the bad press that being directly associated with Duke would bring. Conversely, is his disdain for David Duke supposed to make us ideolize him? I mean a stand against neo-nazism ... Whoa! Now that's progressive! Come on. I certainly know that I would refuse and openly denounce my Vice Presidency if it meant putting him in control. --Stephen White | ""Live simply that others may simply live"" --Mohandas K. Gandhi | " 2605,4,"Distribution: world From: bruce_linde@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: eight 4mb 70ns simms $105/ea., o.b.o. Lines: 14 a friend of mine has eight (8) 4mb 70ns simms for sale for $105/each or best offer. since techworks sells these puppies for $140/ea., you may want to contact him directly at: steve epstein 895-6236 days 706-2436 evenings thanks, bruce l. **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 2606,10,"From: v124p7kk@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Darryl S Brooks) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL (Euro-bashing?) Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 60 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu In article , rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes... > > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick >of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the >Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and >""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, >and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other >teams is getting worse as well. > > I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the >Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see >the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a >Canucks fan to begin with ;-). > > Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. > > With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly >only getting worse. > > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. > > I just don't want them on mine. > > Ah, so now we're into European player bashing? What next? No more French Canadiens? Yeah, there's an idea! Let them French- speaking Canadiens have their own hockey league! We don't want them! Are you _CRAZY_? The NHL is one of the true international leagues, and yes, there _ARE_ many Europeans who deserve to play in the NHL and are better than some North Americans, look at Teemu!!! I, for one, am glad to see Europeans in the NHL and I hope the NHL soon expands to Europe. Its nice to see all these different people come together to form the (soon to be) 26 hockey teams. > > >-- >Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" >rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional >WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" >----------------- >""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai Darryl Brooks University at Buffalo __ ______ /// | | / \ \ \ / / / _____ / / //// | | / /\ \ \ \___/ / ( \ ---/-/--- /// | | / /__\ \ \ / \ \ ---/-/--- /// | |____| | / ____ \ | | ____\ ) / / /// \______/ / / \ \ | | ______/ /////// Go Bills, Sabres, and Magic!! " 2607,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 Mark Schnitzius writes: >> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. > >This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings >die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one ""wail >and gnash teeth"" with no lungs and no teeth? One can feel physical pain by having a body, which, if you know the doctrine of the resurrection of the body, is what people will have after the great judgement. ""We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come."" - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. You will have both body and soul in hell - eventually. Andy Byler " 2608,6,"From: rajaram@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM () Subject: * * * For Sale: Window Shades * * * Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 14 Distribution: ba Reply-To: rajaram@Eng.Sun.COM () NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla Keywords: furnishings window shades Originator: rajaram@camilla Kirsch Pull down Window Shades - White, Light Filtering - 73.25"" Wide, 72"" High, can be cut to width - Brand new, unopened - ""Best Quality"", Vinyl Coated Cotton - Mounting Brackets included - $35 (Bought at $60 at J.C.Penney) .............................................................................. rajaram@sun.com (W) 415/336-5194 (H) 510/796-9932 " 2609,19,"From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Reply-To: keegan@hermes.acm.rpi.edu Organization: T.S.A.K.C. Lines: 15 nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes: ->I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post ->by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the ->title post of a new thread, ""Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?"" ->and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread ->""A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised"" if you're so insecure about people reading your posts that you feel the need to write new posts announcing what you wrote in old, posts, why bother? accept it PHoney, you're a laughingstock. " 2610,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Go Hizbollah II! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 26 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: >|> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that >|> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's >|> holding to the security zone. >|> >|> Noam > > > >I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point >and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians. > >Basil > Absolutely. I'm sure that civilians on both sides would be pleased if the fighters (military, guerilla, whatever) would just take their argument elsewhere, find an unpopulated area somewhere, and slug it out. At that point, we will all breath a sigh of relief *and* cheer for our side in the struggle. -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 2611,16,"Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun cont From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 17 In article hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes: >I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only >six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email >from him. >I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, >and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. >I guess it only seemed like years. >Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. I first read and consulted rec.guns in the summer of 1991. I just purchased my first firearm in early March of this year. NOt for lack of desire for a firearm, you understand. I could have purchased a rifle or shotgun but didn't want one. -Case Kim " 2612,19,"From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) Subject: An invisible God! Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu God CAN be seen: ""And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."" (Ex. 33:23) ""And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend."" (Ex. 33:11) ""For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."" (Gen. 32:30) God CANNOT be seen: ""No man hath seen God at any time."" (John 1:18) ""And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live."" (Ex. 33:20) ""Whom no man hath seen nor can see."" (1 Tim. 6:16) Pick what you want! " 2613,2,"Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services From: Mark Woodruff Subject: Many people on one machine Lines: 9 I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally, I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around depending on who wants to use the machine. mark Alas, Setup/n doesn't work if you don't have a network. " 2614,10,"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 12 I agree. It was great for the ESPN people to show the Detroit game. (My roommate just about sh*t when they threw the octopus on the ice. (Thanks for explaining the significance of that BTW)) The only problem I had was when they blotted out the local commentators with the baseball ads and music. Especially when the wings player hit the rut and went into the boards injuring his shoulder and they blotted out the injury report. Other then that, hats off to ESPN. Now if they'll only make a habit of this. Yeah right! Baseball seasons started (Zzzzzz.....) =) KOZ LETS GO CAPS!! " 2615,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 11 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, shades@sorinc.cutler.com (Darrin A. Hyrup) says: >They [Thelema Lodge] don't have an internet address, but they do have a CIS >address which can be reached via uucp/internet. It is 72105,1351 so I guess >that would be '72105.1351@cis.com' or something like that. > ......@compuserve.com Tony " 2616,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Athiests and Hell Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 157 In article sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) writes:>Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall of man >occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual >world. This was precisely my point. From a theological bent, those who lived immediately after the flood, such as Noah, Ham, his son Cush, and his son Nimrod had a much stronger appreciation of Divine wrath. They also had a stronger understanding of the True God. In fact, this immediacy was a cause of hardship for some, so much so that Atlas, who is seen with heavens resting on his shoulders. But this is not merely the physical heavens that he is lifting. It is to put God and the strict spirituality of His law at a distance, and thus he became the ""Elevator of the heavens."" This ""god"" made men able to ""feel"" as if heaven were afar off and ""as if either the God of Heaven could not see through the dark cloud, or did not regard with displeasure the breakers of His laws."" It is interesting to see that it was that was titled ""Emancipator"" or ""Deliverer"" or Phoroneus. It was Nimrod who invaded the patriarchal system and abridged the liberties of mankind, yet was worship for having given many benefits. He was a deliverer all right but not as we think of Christ as a Deliverer. One delivered from a conscious feeling of God's wrath, the other actually performed a delivery from Gods wrath and it is up to us to accept it as true. >The question of what happens to human beings who died before Christ is >an ever present one with Christians. I am not ready to consign Adam >or Abraham, or even Cain to eternal damnation. I don't see the problem. From the time of Adam, those who looked forward to the coming ""Anointed One"" and put their faith in the fact that it was God who was to do the provision, were accounted as righteous. But up to the Crucifixion, their sins were only covered, not taken away. Therefore, the dispensation of the Church views the accountability of sin the same, but see it as a completed action. Rom's makes it clear that it has always been salvation via faith and nothing else. >It is possible to experience eternity in a passing moment. The >relationship of eternity to duration is not simply one of indefinitely >extended conditions of Greenwich mean time. I understand what you're trying to convey, but I don't think I'd lay hold of it because the scriptures do equate the eternality of the second death with the eternality of, say the Church ruling with Christ. Jn 17 tells us what eternal life is exactly, as you are correct that it is much more than non-cessation of consciousness. >It was also a standard belief among many peoples that even the righteous >were lost. It depends upon your def of ""lost."" The elect were lost only in time as outside of time they had been chosen from the foundation of the world. Existentially we were all born ""lost"", but the ""righteous"" were ""in Christ"" and therefore never *assuredly* lost. > >It would be interesting to share in the results of your studies of ancient >people's ideas of life after death. Maybe this summer I could find time to put together a paper on it. I simply have to buy more books for myself, and these older books are very expensive. Either that or countless trips to the oriental museum. > >Mankind fell into mist and darkness, and at ""the turning point of >time"" a new light entered into the world. The light still grows, and >we are developing the eyes with which to see by it. Much new >revelation and growth in under- standing lies before us. Our new >vision and understanding is still very feeble, but it contains >something new that will grow in time to embrace that which is old and >much more as well. Couldn't agree with you more. Our understanding, of say eschatology, is clearly clearer than that of, say Isaiah. But that is not what I was referring to. >(At this point I should acknowledge openly my debt to the work of Rudolf >Steiner, founder of Anthroposophy, for many insights that have led me to my >views on this subject). >The way you refer to it as ""doctrine"" puts a modern intellectual coloring >on it. I think it was much less abstract and much more real and spiritually >concrete, a teaching that struck much closer to home than our doctrines or >teachings today can be received. No, I understand it as you have said. This was my point. > >I am not so ready to attribute widespread notions in antiquity to >simple dispersion from an original source. Even if they were passed >on, the question is, to what extent did they reflect real perception >and experience? Ah! This is it. This is the big question. However, I would say, again I think, that the best lie is one that has an appreciable amount of truth to it. Look at Satan's twist of God's Word when he coerced Eve. That is a very interesting study. >The similarity in the midst of great variety of >expression of the different people's ideas of the time immediately >after death testifies to the presence of an underlying reality. Yes, that is my point. But it is a two edged sword. For some do not want the underlying reality to be revealed. They were not known as ""mystery"" religions for no reason. There was the public side of them and there was the private side, that was so protected that the initiates to an oath of death if they revealed that private side. That is why it is so hard to bring their teachings to light. The ""Mystery of Iniquity"" that we find in the Bible, correlates to this I think. The primary object of the mysteries was to introduce privately, little by little, under the seal of secrecy and sanction of oath, what it would not have been safe to openly profess was the true religion. Case in point today might be the Masons. (Just a note, that they too worshipped Osiris in Egypt, who can be traced to Nimrod, the ""husband son."") >On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in Christianity >that originated most definitely in a pagan source. The idea that the >human being consists essentially of soul only, and that the soul is >created at birth, was consciously adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas >dominated Christian thought for fifteen hundred years and still does >today. No, I disagree with you here Gerry. I know what you're alluding to in that the church, primarily the RCC, did endorse Aristotelian philosophy into their worldview, but I would disagree with you that it originated in Greece. If you are a student of history, you will come to see that much of what Greece came to expound to the world as their original, was just an adulteration of that which they had taken from conquered countries. The soul is clearly mentioned and discussed at length in the Egyptian religions. As was the unity of God and also the trinity of God. See if you can find Wilkinson's ""Egyptians."" He really does a number on what the Greeks did to what they ""pilfered"" from the Egyptians. > He was at once the father of modern thought and at the same >time lived during that darkened time when the perception of our >eternal spiritual being had grown dim. I'm not knocking Aristotle or Plato or any other Greek thinker. Its just that ""there is nothing new under the sun."" >Indeed. I should also clarify that I do not deny that eternal >irrevocable damnation is a real possibility. But the narrow range in >which we conceive of the decisive moment, i.e. after the end of a >single earthly life, is not in my mind sufficient to embrace the >reality, and I think that is why the early creeds were couched in >terms that did not try to spell it out. Each age has its own focus of theology. The early church struggled with the Trinitarian formulation. The reformation dealt with authority. Today, eschatology has had much study. The early creeds do not spell these things out in detail because, 1) they weren't the topic of concern, 2) there was insufficient wisdom accumulated, 3) they didn't have the exegetical tools that we have today. Also, each age seems to have an air of revelation to it. One age has a well tended and cultivated garden in which a particular doctrine is given growth. It would be natural for the end of times to have the garden appropriate for the growth of eschatology, wouldn't it? > tangents, never ending tangents, Rex " 2617,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <115686@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >No, I say religious law applies to those who are categorized as >belonging to the religion when event being judged applies. This Who does the categorizing? --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" " 2618,10,"From: hse31913@vax1.utulsa.edu (hse31913@vax1.utulsa.edu(Scott H.), U of Tulsa) Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? Organization: The University of Tulsa Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr4.051942.27095@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > And after the Leafs make cream cheese of the Philadelphia side tomorrow > night the Leafs will be without equal. > > The Leafs are the best team in the Campbell Conference. > > cordially, as always, > > rm > > -- > Roger Maynard > maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca More like Philadelphia making dust out of dead Leafs. Roger why do you continue to embarass yourself with your brash predictions? They got whitewashed by a last place team. Granted Philly is pretty decent but the ""best team in the Cambell Conference"" would have beaten a last place team. -- Scott E. Humphrey, Chemical Engineering, University of Tulsa hse31913@vax1.utulsa.edu Bruins for The Cup!!! Opinions expressed are those of the individual, not of the U of Tulsa. " 2619,3,"Subject: Conner CP30061G info, please From: michael@pcmith.rks.se (Michael Thurbin) Organization: Sommarvagen 1, S-352 37 Vaxjoe, SWEDEN Lines: 14 I have a Conner-disk model CP30061G (200Mb ??) with no info at all. The only thing I know is that is normally used with Compaq-machines. Please, send me information on switch-settings, geometry and so on. It looks like a normal IDE-disk but is it possible to use it with a standard IDE-controller?? -- Michael -- ************************************************************************************************** Michael Thurbin Sommarvagen 1 Phone: +46 (0)47021340 S-352 37 Vaxjoe Fax: +46 (0)47048978 SWEDEN ************************************************************************************************** " 2620,9,"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Distribution: na Lines: 38 In klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes: [...] >> >> I would tend to call the offensive contributions even, but Alomar wins hands >> down in defensive capabilities. I'm not just talking about the number of >> errors; nobody (including Lind!) has the range and athleticism at second base. >> I can't recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better >> than Alomar. >Well, why don't you look up those stats? Baerga may not be the best defensive >second baseman in the league, but he's damn good. Check the stats for DPs >last year and see for yourself. According to the Defensive Average stats posted by Sherri, Baerga had the highest percentage of DPs turned in the league, while Alomar had the worst. However, Alomar had a higher Defensive Average. So who would be better? Using Alomar's opportunities (469 groundballs, 73 possible double plays) Alomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 DPs. Baerga would have had (with same DA & DP%) 328 groundouts and 35 DPs. Using Baerga's opportunites (545 groundballs, 99 possible double plays). Alomar would have had (with the same DA & DP%) 386 groundouts and 25 DPs. Baerga had 381 groundouts and 47 DPs. Baerga looks better, though it's possible his DP% would be lower with a different SS. Will Baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays, however? Alomar has established a high level of defense, Baerga has not. I would bet on Alomar to be better next year, but last year Baerga was just as good overall. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 2621,14,"From: shag@aero.org (Rob Unverzagt) Subject: Re: space food sticks Keywords: food Article-I.D.: news.1pscc6INNebg Organization: Organization? You must be kidding. Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org In article <1pr5u2$t0b@agate.berkeley.edu> ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes: > I had spacefood sticks just about every morning for breakfast in > first and second grade (69-70, 70-71). They came in Chocolate, > strawberry, and peanut butter and were cylinders about 10cm long > and 1cm in diameter wrapped in yellow space foil (well, it seemed > like space foil at the time). Wasn't there a ""plain"" flavor too? They looked more like some kind of extruded industrial product than food -- perfectly smooth cylinders with perfectly smooth ends. Kinda scary. > The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was > most certainly more ""candy"" than say a modern ""Power Bar."" Sort of > a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough > approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. An other post described it as like a ""microwaved Tootsie Roll"" -- which captures the texture pretty well. As for taste, they were like candy, only not very sweet -- does that make sense? I recall liking them for their texture, not taste. I guess I have well developed texture buds. > Man, these were my ""60's."" It was obligatory to eat a few while watching ""Captain Scarlet"". Does anybody else remember _that_, as long as we're off the topic of space? Shag -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Unverzagt | shag@aerospace.aero.org | Tuesday is soylent green day. unverzagt@courier2.aero.org | " 2622,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 14 In article <1ralibINNc0f@cbl.umd.edu> mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) writes: >... The only thing >that scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and >a nosecone on it and ""just launching it."" I have this vision >of something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the >complete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of >it as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction). It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, actually, since they weren't building spares of the station hardware anyway. (Dumb.) At least this is only one launch to fail. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 2623,6,"From: rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu (ROGER STEPHEN JOYCE) Subject: Mac monitor **WANTED** Originator: rsjoyce@c00402-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu (ROGER STEPHEN JOYCE) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 11 Wanted: color monitor >= 14"" suitable for use on a Macintosh Centris 610. I am planning on purchasing one of these machines soon and don't want to have to pay full price for a new monitor when a used one will do me just as well. If you have one you'd like to part with, please email me with the specs and price. Thanks. Roger rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu " 2624,13,"From: richard@tis.com (Richard Clark) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com >packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: > >>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before >>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? > >>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least >>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the >>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has >>always used it. > My blood pressure soars, my heart pounds, and I can't get to sleep for the life of me... feels about like I just drank 8 cups of coffee. I avoid it, and beet sugar, flavor enhancers, beet powder, and whatever other names it may go under. Basicaly I read the ingredients, and if I don't know what they all are, I don't buy the product. MSG sensitivity is definately *real*. -----------------------Relativity Schmelativity----------------------------- Richard H. Clark My opinions are my own, and LUNATIK - watch for me on the road... ought to be yours, but under It's not my fault... I voted PEROT! no circumstances are they richard@tis.com those of my company... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2625,19,"From: king@ctron.com (John E. King) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic? Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.ctron.com To: ""Andrew A. Houghton"" Andrew A. Houghton"" writes: >I'm still waiting to hear a good response from a christian type.. how >is christ's word (as quoted by Paul) reconciled with current christian >beliefs? Almost one third of the world's population claim to be Christian. But any similarity between their beliefs and lifestyle to the first century model is purely coincidental. At Luke 18:8 it states, ""...nevertheless, when the son of man returns, will he really find the faith on the earth?"" Jack " 2626,12,"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) Subject: Re: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals? Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 13 Tall Cool One (rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see : why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have : any advice? Thanks. The switches have a non-negligable on resistance (up to 1k ohm when powered by 5 volts) and a maximum current and a Maximum Static Voltage Across Switch. Not a good bet for TTL. Should work for CMOS, but slow things down a bit. There are 74HC versions that have better specs. but lower max voltage. Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com " 2627,18,"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! Distribution: usa In article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes: > In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes: > > > > In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: > >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for > >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed. > >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.) > >> > >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except > >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that > >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to > >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game. > >> > >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the > >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before. > > > > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening > > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that > > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS. > > It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle? Who compared Quayle to Gore? Mark said he had never heard of any incident in which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before. I mentioned another incident. (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would have heard of the Quayle incident.) If I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd. > I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan. > dan-quayle! Begone! -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) " 2628,7,"From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) Subject: Selling a car through a car hunter Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA Distribution: na Lines: 16 Anybody got any good/bad experience with selling their car through one of those car hunters? I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T and I was contacted by this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois. They said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't be talking to me. They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything about my car and said they could sell it no problem. They guaranteed that if they didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since I charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied, I would get a refund (which is true). They federal expressed all the paperwork to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such. I called up the BBB in Illinois and they do not have a file on them which is good news. So they definitely are a legitimate company but so far, it's been over week and I have gotten nothing. So how effective are these types of companies? Anybody care to share their experiences? " 2629,5,"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) Subject: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Lines: 17 I have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with XCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit display. When I move the cursor over the window I get the ""Technicolor Effect"" - which is fine. Basically, my program works. My problem/question is: When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for some input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to XmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL. The result is that if my cursor is over the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the applicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the default colormap. But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_ window of my application, I get my colormap. Any suggestions? Thanks, david, " 2630,4,"From: winstead@faraday.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Holden Winstead) Subject: ftp site for Radius software??? Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Hey All, Does anyone know if I can ftp to get the newest version of Radiusware and soft pivot from Radius? I bought a pivot monitor, but it has an old version of this software and won't work on my C650, and Radius said it would be 4-5 weeks until delivery. Thanks! -Chuck " 2631,12,"From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV Organization: Color Computer 3: Tandy's 'game' machine Lines: 13 kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich""TheMan""Kennehan) says: >Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology >paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the >TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the Take a look over in alt.folklore.urban. There is a thread about subliminal messages on TV. The fact that subliminal messages don't work aside, an image can't be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed. -- Bob Billson, KC2WZ | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org $nail: 21 Bates Way, Westfield, NJ 07090 | uucp: ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob ""Friends don't let friends run DOS"" -- Microware " 2632,5,"From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew (was Re: X Toolkits) Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 40 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 23-Apr-93 X Toolkits Paul Prescod@undergrad.m (1132) > I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't know what it > looks like either. The Andrew User Interface System is supported, maintained, enhanced, and distributed by the Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon. The distribution terms are those of the X consortium, not the GNU Public License. Thus anyone can commercially exploit the Andrew code without restriction. (To encourage membership, however, we defer universal release of the latest versions until Consortium members have had an opportunity to explore the new capabilities.) To se what AUIS looks like, you can try a remote demo. You need an X server (R5 is best) on a machine linked to the internet. Give the command finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu for instructions. NOTE: The demo version does not use the Motif-look-and-feel scrollbar, but one is available. You can use it on the demo by changing an option in the ~/preferences file and starting a new editor. The Andrew Toolkit component of AUIS is ideal if you want to build applications using compound documents. Andrew's major feature is its architecture for recursive embedding of objects: equation in table in figure in text, for example. This architecture extends to areas not usually found in toolkits, including file stream formats, cut/paste, and printing. Andrew also provides some of the most commonly requested applications: word processor, spreadsheet, drawing editor, and font editor (the latter two are in version 5.2 which will be generally released on the XR6 tape in December.) Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium " 2633,10,"From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen) Subject: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr13.091859.29570@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: >I didn't say every team MUST have a number of local players. Rather, the >European teams should get the CHANCE to sign their top players before the rest >of the league comes in. I agree that birthplace isn't that important, >Dusseldorfer EG of the German league average close to 10,000 fans and they >don't have a single German-born forward! Lion Milan made the European Final >Four with fifteen Canadian-born players... But nationality is going to be an >issue in Sweden and Finland, I think. We really need an issue preventing >Lindros and Mario from ending up being drafted by a European team and vice >versa. Player trades are a different matter - any player can end up anywhere >after being drafted. DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. My Possible-NHL(European league)-site list: Switzerland : Berne, Zurich (Lugano and 1-2 others) Germany : Dusseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Munich (Mannheim, Rosenheim) Sweden : Stockholm, Gothenburg (Malmo, Gavle) Finland : Helsinki (Turku, Tampere) Italy : Milan France : Paris (Chamonix, Ruoen?) Norway : (Oslo) Austria : (Vienna, Villach) Chech : (Prag) Slovakia : (Bratislava) Russia : (Moscow, St. Petersburg) Great Britain: ? Netherlands : ? Petteri Kortelainen " 2634,11,"From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: Re: More technical details Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University Lines: 43 > encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, > and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part > message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK > producing > > E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} > >My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the >""family key"") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by >law enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I >will also check it out, but this is 7am Sunday so I did not want to wait. Ok, so there are in fact two distinct components transmitted by the chip; the real message encrypted with the ""conventional"" key, and the serial number and encrypted ""conventional"" key encrypted with the (IMHO kind of bogus, as the whole concept of ""one key that millions of people use which can't be changed"" doesn't seem reasonable) ""family key"". Suppose I analyze the output of this chip and I'm able to determine which bits are the encrypted packet which contains the serial number and session key. Suppose I also design a simple algorithm based on this information which takes the data containing the encrypted session key and twiddles a bit (or several) before it's sent down the line. Mind you, I'm sure the NSA thought of this along with a dozen other attacks I can't imagine, and the system is probably somehow designed so that manipulation of this information will cause a compliant receiving chip to somehow fail to decrypt successfully. But how? What if the two parties agree in advance on some kind of consistent bit-twiddling scheme, so the decryption chip sees the restored ""proper"" bitstream but an eavesdropper gets a E[K; UK] packet that's wrong? I suppose this could be easily defeated if the chip ""sends"" that information out many times in slightly different ways, making it effectively impossible to be certain you know all the information being sent. -- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted If your theory predicts different outcomes depending on whether you use discrete mathematics or continuous mathematics, then you've got the wrong theory. - Bruce MacLennan " 2635,12,"From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 31 In article <1qppr5INNaqa@dns1.NMSU.Edu> mcole@spock (COLE) writes: >I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out >there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, >etc.? Well, it's not an FTP site, but I got an 800 number for Signetics BBS. The Signetics BBS contain some pretty good items for the 8051. I am currently using the following files which I downloaded from them: ml-asm51.zip MetaLink's 8051 family macro assembler bootstrp.zip Hex file Load-and-Go using 8051 uart (allows you to download your program into a RAM and then execute from RAM. Works great. Tell me if you want more details). tutor51.zip TSR for 8051 feature help screens They have lots of coding examples, assemblers, and misc. tools. Signetics BBS numbers are: (800) 451-6644 (408) 991-2406 Have fun, -- Mont Pierce +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | | bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | | modes: cw,ssb,fm | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2636,15,"From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) Subject: Theists And Objectivity Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 90 Can a theist be truly objective? Can he be impartial when questioning the truth of his scriptures, or will he assume the superstition of his parents when questioning? I've often found it to be the case that the theist will stick to some kind of superstition when wondering about God and his scriptures. I've seen it in the Christian, the Jew, the Muslim, and the other theists alike. All assume that their mothers and fathers were right in the aspect that a god exists, and with that belief search for their god. Occasionally, the theist may switch religions or aspects of the same religion, but overall the majority keep to the belief that some ""Creator"" was behind the universe's existence. I've known Muslims who were once Christians and vice versa, I've known Christians who were once Jewish and vice versa, and I've even known Christians who become Hindu. Yet, throughout their transition from one faith to another, they've kept this belief in some form of higher ""being."" Why? It usually all has to do with how the child is brought up. From the time he is born, the theist is brought up with the notion of the ""truth"" of some kind of scripture-- the Bible, the Torah, the Qur'an, & etc. He is told of this wondrous God who wrote (or inspired) the scripture, of the prophets talked about in the scripture, of the miracles performed, & etc. He is also told that to question this (as children are apt to do) is a sin, a crime against God, and to lose belief in the scrip- ture's truth is to damn one's soul to Hell. Thus, by the time he is able to read the scripture for himself, the belief in its ""truth"" is so ingrained in his mind it all seems a matter of course. But it doesn't stop there. Once the child is able to read for himself, there is an endeavor to inculcate the child the ""right"" readings of scripture, to concentrate more on the pleasant readings, to gloss over the worse ones, and to explain away the unexplainable with ""mystery."" Circular arguments, ""self-evdent"" facts and ""truths,"" unreasoning belief, and fear of hell is the meat of religion the child must eat of every day. To doubt, of course, means wrath of some sort, and the child must learn to put away his brain when the matter concerns God. All of this has some considerable effect on the child, so that when he becomes an adult, the superstitions he's been taught are nearly impossible to remove. All of this leads me to ask whether the theist can truly be objective when questioning God, Hell, Heaven, the angels, souls, and all of the rest. Can he, for a moment, put aside this notion that God *does* exist and look at everything from a unbiased point of view? Obviously, most theists can somewhat, especially when presented with ""mythical gods"" (Homeric, Roman, Egyptian, & etc.). But can they put aside the assumption of God's existence and question it impartially? Stephen _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz... -- [This is ad hominem attack of the most basic kind. None of their statements matter -- they believe the way they do because they were brought up that way. Of course there are atheists who have become theists and theists who have become atheists. Rather more of the latter, which is not surprising given the statistics. It's hard to see how one could possibly answer a posting of this sort, since any answer could immediately be assumed to be just part of the brainwashing. That is, how can anyone possibly show that they aren't biased? --clh] " 2637,9,"From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Nntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 25 > = ( Steve Novak) writes: >> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >>> = (Robert C Hite) writes: >>>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the >>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in >>>baseball at 8-1 >>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame >>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. >What _is_ your problem? Hite's post wasn't a flame. It was a >correction of *your* error. That last was me, Steve Novak. I've since read the entire original posting by Hite. Mr. Fischer was actually restrained. Let Mr. Hite hope he never makes some similar, tiny mistake. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Steve Novak | |""Ban the Bomb!"" ""Ban the POPE!!""| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ steven@advtech.USWest.Com " 2638,7,"From: davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott) Subject: Questions about insurance companies (esp. Geico) Distribution: usa Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 13 I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim. I was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim. I have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident. I'm interestend in determining whether or not these things are true. Has anyone out there with Geico made a claim? I'd be interested in hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether you then had trouble renewing your policy. I'm also interested in any good or bad stories about Liberty Mutual or State Farm. " 2639,4,"From: Earl D. Fife Subject: Re: SE/30 acc & graphics card? X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 05:13:14 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.43 Organization: Calvin College X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 25 In article <2BCF3DD9.8771@ics.uci.edu> Matt Madsen, mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu writes: > Are there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040 > accelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for > the _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30. > The DayStar PowerCache for the SE/30 replaces the CPU with an accelerated CPU plus the powercache. This leavese the PDS slot open for a video card. Currenty, DayStar does not have the '040 in this configuration, but it is due out early next year. With their upgrade policy, you can get the '030 accelerator now, and when the '040 version becomes available, you get credit for the one you have. I am running their 50 MHz version with FPU along with a Radius Precision Color Pivot and I'm very satisfied. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College (616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 ========================================================================= " 2640,2,"From: jonni@rhi.hi.is (Jon Ingi Thorvaldsson) Subject: Can I only insert 16 color pics in WfW2.0 Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: hengill.rhi.hi.is well, the subject says just about all I intended to ask: Is there no way to insert a 256 color into WfW 2.0 ? When I try it, the picture turns into a 16 color pic. jonni. " 2641,2,From: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu (Doug Ward) Subject: Stealth 24 Video Drivers Organization: State Water Survey Lines: 14 I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the windows video drivers for the Stealth 24. I tried the drivers at cica and they don't work. The right drivers are on the Diamond BBS but the file is almost 1 meg and it would take a while to download them at 2400 baud. Any information would be appreciated. Please contact me at doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu Thank you Doug Ward . 2642,19,"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) Subject: Re: Comments on the Koresh 3-02 Transcript News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 102 In article <1993Apr14.200259.20419@microsoft.com>, iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes... (stephen) wrote: >>Correction to my prior post, proper citation is: >> >> Isaiah 30:26 -- Moreover the light of the moon shall >> be as the light of the sun, and the light of the >> sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, >> in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of >> his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. > >So we have to wait for the sun to nova? More along the lines of Hebrews 12:25-29, I reckon... See that you refuse not him that speaks. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaks from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he has promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire. Or 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10... And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. Kinda gives Flaming a whole new meaning, I reckon. - < > - The impression I got from talking with Livingston was that the coming of the Lord, power-wise, is going to be something that those who are unprepared can't handle -- kinda like overloading a fuse -- due to guilt. Somehow it seems to also apply to the entire physical world as we know it. LF suggests that God doesn't want that and has sent Koresh as a reminder. Seems that those who have been purified through salvation, or that those protected by the Seals, will be the ones who survive. And no -- I don't have a good idea yet what ""being shielded by the seals"" actually involves or how exactly it relates to salvation. (Other than it involves the marriage of the Bridegroom and the Bride... for those of you Biblical well versed.) - < > - Me personally, I'm totally 100% dependent on God through Christ, so if God wants me to understand, good. If not, also good. If God wants to save me, or dispose of me, that's great either way. Being born in the Spirit, means being part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2), so who and what I was, matters little. * What's important is loving GOD * Come Nova, Nuke, or Apocalypse -- who cares? Satan might even be able to pull off a pretty convincing fake. Big deal. Not worth fearing or worrying about though, not before: -* The Greater Glory of GOD *- Maybe Koresh is right, maybe he isn't, and it should be interesting to see the new message (or prophecy). The tour of the Bible I've taken in studying the passages he points to in the 3-02 text, has been most re- warding. But the test of prophecy is still the fruit it bears -- which is not yet clear. Much much more important is ""Charity"" -- which by definition *is* -- Love for GOD (I hope Dear Reader, you've taken all this as an expression of faith, and not a statement of mere fact. Seems many folks get real upset at reminders. ;-) | -- J -- | | stephen " 2643,2,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Robert J. Niland (rjn@teal.csn.org) wrote: [Much text deleted] : I have heard from several people about less expensive m-f I/O cards : with 16550s: : TSD Systems : (407) 331-9130 : $19.95 for the card, plus $9.95 per 16550. I can vouch for this one. I ordered it and got it for $34 including S&H. It took me awhile to figure out how to get it working with my system, but since I did, I get terrific results while downloading using PCPlus for Windows. I used to get errors if I started any other program while downloading at high speed. Not anymore. [More text deleted] -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2644,12,"From: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke) Subject: 4-Band Equalizer Reply-To: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 15 I was wondering if anyone out there in net-land knew of a SIMPLE way to make a 4-band equalizer (single channel). I need it to accept LINE inputs (tape deck, CD player, etc.) and output to the same! So input impedance should equal output impedance. Also, since I am driving a line, I would need 1 volt p-p output. Final requirement is that I can either: 1. Control it digitally OR 2. Control it easily, or with few resistors FINALLY - If anyone knows of any FILTER or EQUALIZER chips, that might be useful, please let me know. (I have seen a couple of them from NATIONAL, and MAXIM). Thanks in advance, Martin " 2645,13,"From: lehr@austin.ibm.com (Ted Lehr) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: lehr@jan.austin.ibm.com Distribution: inet Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 47 Gary Merrill writes: > .. Not every wild flight of fancy serves > (or can serve) in the appropriate relation to a hypothesis. It is > somewhat interesting that when anyone is challanged to provide an > example of this sort the *only* one they come up with is the one about > Kekule. Surely, there must be others. But apparently this is regarded > as an *extreme* example of a ""non-rational"" process in science whereby > a successful hypothesis was proposed. But how non-rational is it? Indeed, an extreme example. It came ""out of nowhere."" The connection Kekule saw between it and his problem is fortunate but not extraordinary. I, for example, often receive/conjure solutions (hypotheses for solutions) to my everyday problems at moments when I appear to myself to be occupied with activities quite removed. Algorithms for that new software feature come when I trample the meadow on my occasional runs. Alternative (better>) ways to instruct and rear my sons arrive while I weed the garden. I'll swear I am not thinking about any of it when ideas come. These ideas are not the stuff of ""great"" discoveries, of course, but my connecting them to particular problems is fraught with deliberation and occasional fits of rationality. > Surely it wasn't the *only* daydream [Kekule] had. What was special about > *this* one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived > *analogy* between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning > geometry of molecules? Yes. And he was lucky to have such a colorful, vivid image. I, alas, will never figure out why returning worms to the loose soil of my garden brought, ""have him count objects instead of merely count"" to mind regarding my 2 year-old's fledging arithmetic skills. > ... Upon close examination, > is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps > closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? The latter. Worms wiggling around in the dirt fascinate my son. Regards, Ted -- Ted Lehr | ""...my thoughts, opinions and questions..."" Future Systems Technology Group, AWS | IBM | Internet: lehr@futserv.austin.ibm.com Austin, TX 78758 | " 2646,6,"From: ""Jack Previdi"" Subject: Re: Printing In-Reply-To: <1qk2m5$1up@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Avoirdupois Institute X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4) Lines: 38 >DATE: 15 Apr 1993 16:32:05 GMT >FROM: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu > >In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes: > >[advertises his printing business] > >Oh, dear. Let me be the first on my block. > >You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups: ^^^^^^^^^^^ nit: Is he unable to type the first 'h' in this word? ;-) >you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial >enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing >they've got a new book out.) > >I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long- >standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical >point of view. As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial use of Internet is no more. One should have the breeding not to post commercial material on an account provided by ones employer or school, unless the provider of such account gives permission. (HA!) Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only by our innate good taste and no have no ""administrator"" to guide(?) us. Jack Previdi Veni, Vidi, Fece! p00020@psilink.com " 2647,2,From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) Subject: More Diamond SS 24X Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology Lines: 9 Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. Thx Dave L 2648,9,"Subject: Hal McRae From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) Organization: University of Cincinnati NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu Lines: 18 DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes: >No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I haven't seen enough Royals' games to judge his tactics, so you may have a point here. But: >I've never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can. One of the best >raw-talent staffs in the league, and he's still finding a way to lose. IMO, the Royals don't have a chance to win the pennant even if McRae suddenly began channeling for John McGraw. OK, they have some decent pitchers. But when your offense consists of bums like Gagne and Lind and McReynolds and McRae and an over-the-hill Brett, you're not going to finish .500 unless McGraw brings Christy Mathewson back with him. I'd say it is hard to evaluate a manager when all of his hitters suck. Bob Davis rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu " 2649,13,"From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk In-Reply-To: markmc@halcyon.com's message of 19 Apr 1993 01:07:22 -0700 Nntp-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com Organization: American Cyanamid Company <1qtmjq$ahd@nwfocus.wa.com> Lines: 11 From my reading of the popular, and scientific, literature, I think that the benzopyrene-from-burned-fat problem is probably real but very small compared to other kinds of risks. (This type of problem also occurs with stove-top pan grilling.) One possible remedy I have read about is to take some vitamin C with your meal of barbecue (or bacon, e.g.). This MAY make sense because vit. C is an antioxidant which could counteract the adverse affect of some of the chemicals in question. Bon Apetit! -- Sanford Silverman >Opinions expressed here are my own< American Cyanamid sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com ""Yeast is Best"" " 2650,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 59 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Paul E. Reimer) writes: > In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue) writes: > > [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] > > >and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in > >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw > >cars. > >marciano pitargue@cisco.com > > There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some > regulation to try to combat this. Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems the driver's license process does not work for this. > When I got my drivers license, I HAD > to take a drivers safety class. Because you wanted one while you were underage. > I HAVE to be licensed to drive. Only on public roads. > My car > MUST be registered. Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my property. > I MUST (at least where I live) have liability > insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an > accident with it). Only on public roads. > Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration > of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for > gun owners. Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-) > > Paul Reimer > reimer@uinpluxa.npl.uiuc.edu Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 2651,5,"From: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Andrew Leahy) Subject: Running dxterm's onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240 Organization: University of Western Sydney, Nepean X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 36 Help! I'm trying to run dxterm's (DECs' xterm) on a DECstation 5000/240 (Ultrix 4.3, X11R4, Motif 1.1.3) with the DISPLAY variable set to an Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?). I get these errors appearing on the DECstation: > dxterm X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCharDel "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCopy "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCut "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apPaste "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apUpBox "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apDownBox "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apRightBar "" to type VirtualBinding X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apLeftBar "" to type VirtualBinding Segmentation fault > Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB? (xterms run fine on DEC displaying on Apollo..arggh) I need to run dxterm because the package we are using on the DEC's, Oracle Case, uses dxterm by default, and we have a lab of Apollo workstations we would like to run Oracle from. Andrew ""Alf"" Leahy, alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au -- __________________________________________________________________________ Andrew ""Alf"" Leahy phone: (047) 360771 (W) irc: pepsi-alf Uni. Western Sydney, Nepean. Remote-email: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au Sydney, Australia. Local-email: alf " 2652,8,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: The quest for horndom Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr5.171807.22861@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.010533.26294@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: >>No laughing, please. I have a few questions. First of all, do I >>need a relay? Are there different kinds, and if so, what kind should >>I get? Both horns are 12 Volt. > > I did some back-of-the-eyelids calculations last night, and I figure >these puppies suck up about 10 amps to work at maximum efficiency (i.e., the >cager might need a shovel to clean out his seat). Assumptions: 125dBA at one >meter. Neglecting solid angle considerations and end effects and other >acoustic niceties from the shape of the horn itself, this is a power output >of 125 Watts. 125Watts/12Volts is approx. 10 Amps. > > Yes, get a relay. > > Yes, tell me how you did it (I want to do it on the ZX). > >Later, I'll post a summary after I get enough information. I'll include tips like ""how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg"". Shouldn't monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes? Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2653,12,"From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 39 gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Stovall) writes: >Anyway, over the weekend, I was resting on the sofa (in between chores), >and noticed that I briefly picked up what sounded like ham radio traffic >over my stereo and television, even though both were off. Also, all the >touch sensitive lights in my house start going wacko, cycling through >their four brightness states. >I presume that some ham operator with an illegal amplifier drove past >my house (I live on a busy thoroughfare); would this be a correct presumption? >What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects? >The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road... Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs for cars put out around 100 watts. It is possible that a 100 watt radio would cause interference to consumer electronic 100 feet away. Most TVs, stereos, and VCRs have very poor RF shielding. If you experience the problem frequently, it may be caused by a ham, CBer, or other radio operator in a base station nearby. The interference may have been caused by a radio transmitter used for other purposes, such as police, fire, etc. If you heard voices over your stereo, I think you are correct in assuming that the source is an RF transmitter. If you have frequent trouble, you may want to try the RF ferrite chokes available at Radio Shack. The interference is probably being picked up by your speaker wires, and those chokes can be installed on the wires very easily (without cutting them). Good instructions are included with the chokes. If that does not solve the problem, you may want to search your neighborhood for a radio operator. Look for antennas on the roof or car. Talk to him/her about your problem. There are things a radio operator can do to reduce interference. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randall Rhea Informix Software, Inc. Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall " 2654,14,"From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Re: First Spacewalk Organization: Motorola Distribution: sci Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 14 In article flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") writes: >At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk >(Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake. > >Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ? > >Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ? This claim was made when someone spotted training film footage spliced into the footage of the actual spacewalk. Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL " 2655,14,"From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) Subject: Re: Astronomy Program Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 23 In article <28641@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@ucrengr.ucr.edu (kevin marcus) writes: >Are there any public domain or shareware astronomy programs which will >map out the sky at any given time, and allow you to locate planets, nebulae, >and so forth? If so, is there any ftp site where I can get one? I posted my public-domain MSDOS program ""sunlight.zip"" to ""sci.astro"" yesterday. It easily locates the sun, moon, and planets, and can also be used to locate other objects if you input their Right Ascesion and Declination. Use ""uudecode"" to extract. -- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized! ""Marxism and feminism are one and that one is Marxism"" - Heidi Hartmann and Amy Bridges, quoted by Catharine MacKinnon above the first chapter of her ""Toward a Feminist Theory of the State"" " 2656,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back? Distribution: na Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Melido came off the DL today and will start tonight against the Rangers. (Now, if only he can go the distance so that the bullpen doesn't have to come in.....) --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall =========================================================================== | ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated."" | | -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | =========================================================================== " 2657,15,"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: >Hello all, > I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago >that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven >because he challenged God's authority. The problem is, I cannot >find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it >originate? >Wondering, >Eddie The quick answer: Revelation 12:7-9 ""And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels who fought back. But he [the dragon] was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent, called the devil and Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled down to the earth, and his angels with him."" The earlier part of chapter 12 deals (very symbolically) with why Satan rose up in battle against Michael and the good angels in the first place. Hope this clears it up. - Mike Walker " 2658,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu>, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: > I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar > Sails. [...] > Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? Sure. Contact the World Space Foundation. They're listed in the sci.space Frequently Asked Questions file, which I'll excerpt. WORLD SPACE FOUNDATION - has been designing and building a solar-sail spacecraft for longer than any similar group; many JPL employees lend their talents to this project. WSF also provides partial funding for the Palomar Sky Survey, an extremely successful search for near-Earth asteroids. Publishes *Foundation News* and *Foundation Astronautics Notebook*, each a quarterly 4-8 page newsletter. Contributing Associate, minimum of $15/year (but more money always welcome to support projects). World Space Foundation Post Office Box Y South Pasadena, California 91301 WSF put together a little paperback anthology of fiction and nonfiction about solar sails: *Project Solar Sail*. I think Robert Staehle, David Brin, or Arthur Clarke may be listed as editor. Also there is a nontechnical book on solar sailing by Louis Friedman, a technical one by a guy whose name escapes me (help me out, Josh), and I would expect that Greg Matloff and Eugene Mallove have something to say about the subject in *The Starflight Handbook*, as well as quite a few references. Check the following articles in *Journal of the British Interplanetary Society*: V36 p. 201-209 (1983) V36 p. 483-489 (1983) V37 p. 135-141 (1984) V37 p. 491-494 (1984) V38 p. 113-119 (1984) V38 p. 133-136 (1984) (Can you guess that Matloff visited Fermilab and gave me a bunch of reprints? I just found the file.) And K. Eric Drexler's paper ""High Performance Solar Sails and Related Reflecting Devices,"" AIAA paper 79-1418, probably in a book called *Space Manufacturing*, maybe the proceedings of the Second (?) Conference on Space Manufacturing. The 1979 one, at any rate. Submarines, flying boats, robots, talking Bill Higgins pictures, radio, television, bouncing radar Fermilab vibrations off the moon, rocket ships, and HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET atom-splitting-- all in our time. But nobody HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV has yet been able to figure out a music SPAN: 43011::HIGGINS holder for a marching piccolo player. --Meredith Willson, 1948 " 2659,15,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Oulu, Finland Lines: 135 Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: : [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] : One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate : (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No : reasonable alternative exists. I would argue that causality is actually a property of spacetime; causes precede their effects. But if you claim that there must be an answer to ""how"" did the universe (our spacetime) emerge from ""nothing"", science has some good candidates for an answer. I have always wondered why Christians use the ""There are questions science (or atheism) cannot answer"" argument; I hope this is the appropriate group to ask this question. The most popular question is the question of origins. Why does the universe exist, or anything, for that matter? I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely 1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists? and 2) How did the universe emerge from nothing? It is clear science has nothing to say about the first question. However, is it a meaningful question, after all? I would say it isn't. Consider the following: A die-hard skeptic being (be it human or whatever) attempts to doubt one's very existence. Since it is so easy to doubt everything else - I cannot be _sure_ the world exists, it may be my mind fooling me - can I ever be sure I exist? However, it is only possible to exist or not to exist. (Someone insert an appropriate Shakespeare quote here ;-) ) A being that does not exist cannot doubt one's existence. A being that does exist can doubt one's existence, but this would be pointless - the being would exist anyway. Let us return to the original question: why? A being that does not exist does not need any reasons for its non-existence. This being is not _sure_ whether anything else exists but his mind, but let us assume that the world exists independent of the mind (the objectivity postulate). The question ""why anything exists"" can be countered by demanding answer to a question ""why there is nothing in nothingness, or in non-existence"". Actually, both questions turn out to be devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist don't exist. Tautology at its best. I seriously doubt God could have an answer to this question. Some Christians I have talked to have said that actually, God is Himself the existence. However, I see several problems with this answer. First, it inevitably leads to the conclusion that God is actually _all_ existence, good and evil, devils and angels, us and them. This is pantheism, not Christianity. Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists, and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence. I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words. The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods. The second question: How did the universe emerge from nothing? belongs to the domain of science, and I, for one, do not doubt the question can be answered by its methods. Many cosmologists have suggested that it is entirely possible for universes to emerge from vacuum (this possibility has been suggested in a recent Hawking biography; see also Lizhi & Shuxian: Creation of the Universe, World Scientific, 1989). However, I think the sci groups are more appropriate for discussions like this. : As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't : true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us ""how"", not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the ""why"" questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist. : I believe the ""genetic code"" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, : but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, : reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I : can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* : technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite : having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. This opinion is also called vitalism; namely, that living systems are somehow _fundamentally_ different from inanimate systems. Do Christians in general adopt this position? What would happen when scientists announce they have created primitive life (say, small bacteria) in a lab? There is a problem with your prophecy: artificial life has been created, although not yet in a chemical form. Computer simulations of evolution contain systems that are as much alive as any bacterium, although their code is electronic, as well as their metabolism. See a recent book Steven Levy: Artificial life - The Quest for a New Creation. Jonathan Cape, London 1992. Artificial chemical life is just around the corner - after all, no spark of life has been found to be necessary; living systems do not violate any physical laws as we know them. : You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your : research, do you? After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you : really have nothing to worry about, eh? Exactly. This is why I think atheists should _not_ post any evangelical atheist arguments to soc.religion groups, since people who seek to find peace in religions must be allowed to gather together. I would normally have asked these questions in alt.atheism or talk.religion.misc, but it seems many Christians do not read these groups. Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. " 2660,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr17.175451.30896@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (D anny Phornprapha) writes: >I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. > >What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) > >Thanks, >Danny >-- > > I'd say an RX-7 would be RIGHT up there. You could easily deal down to $30. It has some of the most impressive performance figures around, and automotive magazines eat it up. One car to seriously consider in that price range. Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- " 2661,18,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: Getting Off to an Early Start! Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 60 In article <04.17.93b@eecs.nwu.edu> ptownson writes: >So ... the Jury will be making its announcement at 7:00 AM Saturday >morning Pacific Time .... 10:00 AM Eastern Time. Why such an ungodly >hour? > >I guess its because the news is not what the government wanted to hear; >Either the police officers have been found innocent - or - after a week, >the jury is hung ... neither good news from the government's point of >view, as they desparately needed some scapegoats in Los Angeles. Wrong on both accounts. >Maybe by making the announcement at 7:00 AM on the west coast, they >figure all the rioters will be asleep, giving the troops time to move >into place. No one is a ""rioter"" until they participate in a ""riot"", which is unlikely to happen, now. Most of the *people* in L.A. are likely to have gotten up early to listen to the court announcement. >I guess we can look forward to a weekend of rioting, eh? Sorry to disappoint you, but this seems unlikely. >The Mayor of >Los Angeles, in a press conference about 3:00 AM Saturday morning, in >announcing that the jury would give its verdict later this morning >(just an hour away as I write this) would not say what that verdict >is, but I think he was told ... in his press conference he said >""anyone rioting will be stopped dead in their tracks ..."" I don't think he was told. However, his statement was still appropriate. >Meanwhile, following the announcement of the jury's verdict, the >judge, jury and assorted court personnel will be evacuated from the >building via helicopters landing on the roof of the courthouse. They >can't even walk out through the front door with their heads held >high. Jury duty is a solemn duty to be taken seriously. It is not meant to be a source of pride or instant fame. >Won't the rioters have a surprise waiting for them when they wake up >later today! Well, the many *people* who got up early to go to the court to hear the verdict found that justice was served. Given your dire and cynical predictions, I imagine that it is you who will be surprised. :-) > > >Patrick Townson -- " 2662,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article wangr@rpi.edu writes: > > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they >have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as >first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be >different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. >I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points >with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put >win as first in a tie breaker...... Golly, I love stupid people. :-) Listen, Rex, this is hockey. The NHL, to be precise. And in the NHL, there exist these things called ""ties"". A tie occurs when a game ends with the score for each team equal. Each team gets one point for a tie. There also exits these things called ""wins"". A win is when one team has a higher score than the opponent. (Oh yeah, only two teams play each other at a time, so I can say ""the opponent"".) A team gets two points for a win. So, let's say that a team has a record of 38 wins, 36 losses, and 10 ties. Another team has a record of 40 wins, 38 losses and 6 ties. The first team has (38*2)+10 = 86 points. The second team has (40*2)+6 = 86 points. WOW! They *both* have the same number of points, but the number of wins is different! How did they do that??!?!?!?! That's amazing. So, Rex, when people talk about wins being the first tiebreaker, well, then that's what it means. In our example, the second team would win the tiebreaker and therefore have the ""better"" record, even though both teams had the same number of points. If you didn't understand this post, Rex, maybe you should go back and read it again, very slowly. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 2663,6,"From: daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb) Subject: Mattel Electronics Baseball for sale or trade.. BEST OFFER Article-I.D.: jhunix.1ps2nbINN3m1 Distribution: na Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu If anyone's still interested, I have ONE Mattel electronic game left for sale or trade. It's Baseball (Tan Case) and includes a 9-volt battery and the original manual! I was able to sell Soccer and Basketball 2 for $70.00 and traded the Football game for a Genesis cart... so, I was happy. I will entertain all offers.. cash or Genesis carts... By the way, Baseball is in Excellent condition and works perfectly.. Thanx in advance, Dave " 2664,18,"From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) Subject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Lines: 59 thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com >>(Steve Hendricks) writes: >>>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> >>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>>>... >>>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >>> >>>() To deter an epidemic of ""gay bashing"" that has not been deterred by >>> assault laws. >> >>So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a >>straight? >And who's advocating that? Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations >of the acts. Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than >heat-of-passion homicide. But you still get into trouble. For example - how often are crimes of violence not ""hate crimes""? The question is then who are you hating? If its another gang member, then its better than if the person you hate is of a differnt color? Also, is it realistic to declare that crimes of hate are worse than crimes of gross negligence? (Like random drive by shootings where they can't be hate crimes because the shooter doesn't know who he is going to hit - he just shoots into the crowd). >>>() No, it is not ""double jeopardy."" A single act may lead to multiple >>> charges and multiple crimes. >> >>I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US >>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single >>act should never merit more than on charge. >So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with >more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property >damage? After all, the bomb was a single act. First, I heard today that there is a good chance that the U.S. instead of New York is going after the bombers. This means no capital punishment. Secondly, double jepardy does help keep the government from going after you for first one murder, then the next, etc. A ""sovereign"" has essentially one chance with a single fact pattern (such as the World Trade Center bombing). That is why the bombers will in all probability be tried for all the deaths, as well as the property damages, as well as conspiracy, at once. Of course, as we discovered in the Rodney King case, there are two ""sovereigns"", neither of which can try you twice for the same crime. Bruce E. Hayden (303) 758-8400 bhayden@csn.org " 2665,9,"From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA > Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning > 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much > bigger role than in the 4-1 game. But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run. Sam > > Sherri Nichols > snichols@adobe.com " 2666,12,"From: fmg@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Scope questions Summary: What is [a] ""Storage scope"" Distribution: na Organization: Medical Informatics, Pittsburgh, PA USA Lines: 33 Greetings. I've been seeing the word ""storage"" mentioned around oscilliscopes but I'm curious, what does it mean? If my life depended on it, I'd say that it's a scope that uses long-persistance phosphor to keep the successive taces on the screen for some unit of time - ""store"" them. Do I get to live? Also, I've been shopping for a decent, used, [old] scope since my Tek 514A (portable...NOT!) and my Heathkit O-1000 are all single trace and I need more... like 2 or 3 and at least 50MHz (maybe 100...) During my shopping at hamfests etc. I've run into the problem of ""old scope"" terminology. I can imagine what a ""mainframe"" and ""plug-in"" are but some things like the above ""storage"", ""coax input"" (Hey, where do I get a probe that fits this? I had to fiddle with mine for a week before I got anything resembling ""a good trace"" - they all come with BNC connectors!), ""unblanking"" (huh?), and, oh, just like my 514 manuals, MANY changes were made along the way to the schematic - scopes, even with IDENTICAL model numbers, have different (better?) response/performance than others - how can I pick the better one? Does the rule of the higher SN the better apply? Take care. -- / Filip ""I'll buy a vowel"" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail ""fmgst+@pitt.edu"" \ | All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! | | I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. | \ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-) / " 2667,16,"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 22 In article , green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: > And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in > general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an example of action being taken which results in the worst possible outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these days it will destroy the fucking planet: ""Oh sorry. Didn't think they would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told us they were bluffing."" -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** " 2668,6,"From: davis@b11.b11.ingr.com (Chris Davis) Subject: For Sale or Trade: IBM Games Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL Lines: 29 ***** IBM GAMES FOR SALE OR TRADE ***** o ADVENTURE Eric the Unready -- Legend -- $35 King's Quest V -- Sierra -- CD-ROM edition -- $35 o SPORTS Michael Jordan In Flight -- Electronic Arts -- $35 Mike Ditka's Ultimate Football -- Accolade -- $30 David Ledbetter's Greens -- Microprose -- $30 o STRATEGY Risk -- Virgin -- $10 This software comes with all original packaging and manuals. Price includes ground shipping to continental US. I will trade for current games; send me your list... -- chris davis ccdavis@nuwave.b11.ingr.com 205-730-6236 " 2669,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 7 In article eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >the price of parts is a different story though... you can say that again. how does $23 for a new thermostat sound? -teddy " 2670,8,"From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes: >Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote: >: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick >: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) > >My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried >don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too >tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any >suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy >storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that >makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly, >does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any? I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_. HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they ever made. Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy. There is a lot of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather, made to fit men, etc. I don't know of a shop in your area. There are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order. Too hard to tell if it'll fit. Bates custom makes leathers. You might want to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type of jacket your wife is interested in. Large manufacturers like BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but fit is iffy. A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting a business doing just this sort of thing. Don't know what they finally decided. Beth ================================================================= Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com 1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 ""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" -- ZZ Top ================================================================= " 2671,17,"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France Lines: 43 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal |> |> |> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. |> ---------------------------------------------------------- by |> Elias Davidsson |> |> 1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants |> for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew |> and the other Palestinian-Arab. |> |> 2. To be entitled for a grant, a couple will have to prove |> that one of the partners possesses or is entitled to Israeli |> citizenship under the Law of Return and the other partner, |> although born in areas under current Isreali control, is not |> entitled to such citizenship under the Law of Return. |> |> 3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For |> the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each |> subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child. ... |> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as |> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful |> discussion and enrichment. |> |> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but have you heard about something called Love? It used to play some role in people's considerations for getting married. Of course I know some people who married fictitiously in order to get a green card, but making a common child for 18,000$? The power of AA is limited. Your proposal is indeed unconventional. =============================================================== Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr =============================================================== " 2672,1,"Subject: Technical Help Sought From: jiu1@husc11.harvard.edu (Haibin Jiu) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: husc11.harvard.edu Lines: 9 Hi! I am in immediate need for details of various graphics compression techniques. So if you know where I could obtain descriptions of algo- rithms or public-domain source codes for such formats as JPEG, GIF, and fractals, I would be immensely grateful if you could share the info with me. This is for a project I am contemplating of doing. Thanks in advance. Please reply via e-mail if possible. --hBJ " 2673,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Lavishly Funded ""Gun Epidemic"" Propaganda Campaign to Commence Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote: > > : Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full > : force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their > : polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their > : ""entertainment"" media > > The entertainment media... a ""force of the anti-gun ruling class""?? > Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and > television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another > anti-gun media? > > You've got to be kidding. By this, do you mean that you consider it absolutely impossible for the media to be guilty of hypocrisy? Note that the film industry in California traded their political support for an ""assault weapon"" ban in the state for an amendment to the bill exempting the entertainment industry from that very ban. Note that the very issue of the Batman comic book (""Seduction of the Gun"") that was produced as a tool for gun-control organizations carries a back- page ad for a ""Terminator II"" video game extolling the numerous and varied sophisticated weapons available to the player. Note that Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, publisher of the NY Times -- one of the oldest and most incessant gun-control grinders -- himself carries a concealed handgun. Still, you find it completely incredible that these folks live by the aphorism, ""Do as I say, and not as I do."" -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 2674,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu I would realy like to hear from someone that has one of these NANAO T560i monitors that is driving it with a Diamond SpeedStar 24x. With the 24x set up to run at its 58.1 khz 72.0hz output mode, and realy driving the hell out of the monitor. Just woundering if the NANAO T560i would fall apart with poor low capabilities like my (3) Sony 1604s did with the 24x driving their balls off...Sam -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 2675,0,"From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 56 <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: > > Sorry, but there are no supernatural > > forces necessary to create a pathogen. You are saying, ""Since > > diseases are bad, the bad entity must have created it."" So > > what would you say about acid rain, meteors falling from the > > sky, volcanoes, earthquakes, and other QUOTE UNQUOTE ""Acts > > of God?"" > > I would say that they are not ""acts of God"" but natural > occurrences. It amazes me that you have the audacity to say that human creation was not the result of the natural process of evolution (but rather an ""act of God"") and then in the same post say that these other processes (volcanos et al.) are natural occurrences. Who gave YOU the right to choose what things are natural processes and what are direct acts of God? How do you know that God doesn't cause each and every natural disaster with a specific purpose in mind? It would certainly go along with the sadistic nature I've seen in the bible. > >>Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of > >>disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since > >>humanity forsook God's protection. If we choose to live apart from > >>God's law (humanity collectively), then it should come as no surprise > >>that there are adverse consequences to our (collective) action. One > >>of these is that we are left to deal with disease and disorders which > >>inevitably result in an entropic universe. > > > > May I ask, where is this 'collective' bullcrap coming from? > > By ""collective"" I was referring to the idea that God works with > humanity on two levels, individually and collectively. If mankind > as a whole decides to undertake a certain action (the majority of > mankind), then God will allow the consequences of that action to > affect mankind as a whole. Adam & Eve (TWO PEOPLE), even tho they had the honor (or so you christians claim) of being the first two, definitely do NOT represent a majority in the billions and trillions (probably more) of people that have come after them. Perhaps they were the majority then, but *I* (and YOU) weren't around to vote, and perhaps we might have voted differently about what to do with that tree. But your god never asked us. He just assumes that if you have two bad people then they ALL must be bad. Hmm. Sounds like the same kind of false generalization that I see many of the theists posting here resorting to. So THAT's where they get it... shoulda known. > Jim B. Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. " 2676,9,"Subject: Cubs mailing list From: andrew@dark.side.of.the.moon.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie) Distribution: usa Organization: OU - Academic User Services Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.uoknor.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 14 Lines: 14 Is there anyone out there running a Chicago National League Ballclub list? If so, please send me information on it to... andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Thanks! |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |O| _ | Chihuahua Charlie | OU is not responsible |O| |O| | | | Academic User Services | for anything anywhere, |O| |O| |||| | The University of Oklahoma | except for that one |O| |O| |_| | andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu | incident where 200... |O| |O|____________________________________________________________________|O| " 2677,7,"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqtq1INNj5c Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com Left hand steering wheel placement was not standard until the 20's in the US. Driving on the right has been standard since standards came into being. Interestingly, Chrysler has just begun building right hand drive cars again for export to Japan. " 2678,4,"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 59 ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ... >>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for >>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the >>following (from 1st to 6th): >> 486 68040 >> 386 68030 >> 286 68020 >040 486 030 386 020 286 How about some numbers here? Some kind of benchmark? If you want, let me start it - 486DX2-66 - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . >>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: >> 68060 >> Pentium >> PowerPC >060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC >somewhere in the vicinity. Numbers? Pentium @66MHz - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . PowerPC @66MHz - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . (Note this is the 601) (Alpha @150MHz - 74 SPECint92,126 SPECfp92 - just for comparison) >>And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the >>overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: >> 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz >No. Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed. >Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and >I/O speed. As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory >system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed. If >you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory >every 20ns. Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but >it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs. Not in a clock-doubled system. There isn't a doubling in performance, but it _is_ quite significant. Maybe about a 70% increase in performance. Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. >And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock >speed as is the 68030. Numbers? >-- >Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth >ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. " 2679,8,"From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: How Big Is Too Big (was Re: 1st bike) Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 42 azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes: azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to azw>drift, you aint going to catch it. leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) says: mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial. ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you ms>having any fun? Sure. I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the Minibike Spectacular can attest. ;^) I get a great deal of satisfaction in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being able to maintain a clean line. And while I'm still known to slide the occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that line. I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore. BTW, how's the knee? mrb>anyway. Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250? Not necessarily. mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria. ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble ms>when it ""Starts to Drift"" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a Quite true. Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think. Damn circular threads... ;^) ms>Go fast. Take chances. ms> ms> Mike S. Mr. Bill -- + Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX ""White Lightning"", '82 GS850G ""Suzibago"" + + leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 ""Little Honda"", '68 Lone Star ""Sick Leave"" + + DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible ""The Incredible Hulk"", others + + ""Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!"" Michael Bain, #757 + " 2680,11,"From: marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: oliver.mit.edu In-reply-to: tcmay@netcom.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 08:17:28 GMT In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has already fired off a letter of protest to NIST. My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together. Some of them, yes. Others, no. I received mail from Mitch Kapor saying that he did not ask to be on the list, and does not know why he was added. I'm sure the same applies to others on the list. So, I guess my initial theory was right, that the clipper list was just someone's idea of a bad joke. I guess I should be happy it wasn't a conspiracy. Marc -- Marc Horowitz N1NZU 617-253-7788 " 2681,9,"From: edd@gvlf4-a.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty) Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates Summary: Good Baseball Keywords: mlb, 04.16 Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: gvlf4-a As a Philly fan as as a Penna. baseball fan, I'm anxious to see the Penna. series. Anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played? This is (I think) always good baseball (to me); and the Pirates are also off to a good start. Ed Doc " 2682,11,"From: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) Subject: Who should be hearing my views on Clipper ? Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: na Lines: 18 Being a browser of this group for some time, and being very concerned about the clipper chip proposal, I am hoping someone with more knowledge can help out. Who would be the most influential people to write to, protesting the obvious next step hinted at by this proposal ? (Heads of what committees, etc.) What are the major flaws in the plan ? (From a cryptological standpoint) -- Shaun P. Hughes ""Facts are Stupid Things."" sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Ronald Reagan Republican National Finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key Convention 1988 " 2683,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr22.214735.22733@Princeton.EDU> phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes: >A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually >it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would >have expected a more visible/meaningful role. Christian Slater, only gota cameo on ST6, and besides. Maybe she can't act:-) pat " 2684,15,"From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) Subject: Poem Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA. Lines: 145 The Sophomore (Romans 1:22) The sophomore says, ``What is truth?'' and turns to bask in the admiration of his peers. How modern how daring how liberating How modern how daring how liberating they chant The sophomore, being American Doesn't know That his ``question'' modern skeptical cynical Was asked before, by a modern skeptical cynical urbane cosmopolitan Politician (appointed not elected) Who happened to live two thousand years ago. Like many politicians he cared Less about ideals than results Less about ends than means Less about anything than keeping his job (and his head). We might call him A bit brutal Though `firm' would be kinder (And no doubt Stalin, who let nobody go, laughed at his laxness) He didn't like his job; perhaps he no longer hoped for better (Nor feared worse, except regarding his head). And when these wily Jews With their heads-I-win, tails-you-lose conundrums Brought forth their madman, His first impulse was to play the Roman: ``I find nothing wrong with him, See to it yourselves.'' But when they mentioned `King' and `Caesar' His heart froze. If he killed their madman He'd start a riot and lose his job (and his head) If he saved the King of the Jews He'd piss off Caesar and lose his job (and his head) And when his wife told him to have Nothing to do with the righteous lout She didn't tell him anything He hadn't already figured out. So he punted. ``Not my jurisdiction! Take him to see Herod!'' (who just happened to be in town....) Herod appreciated the courtesy But wasn't worried And sent the sharp-tongued fool (Who suddenly didn't have much to say, funny how people lose it under pressure....) back In the attire proper to his Royal State. His ass is covered---if Herod has no problem, Caesar certainly won't. The fool can be king of whatever world he wants as long as it's not Caesar's. ``I'm letting him go,'' he said with a shout. (Looks like he'll last this one out....) The crowd's reaction puzzled him. They really wanted him dead. They didn't want the King of the Jews, They wanted Barabbas instead (And, as Josephus records, they got him) Oh well, he thought, They all look the same to me. And we'll get Barabbas next time. And if I can get them to say ``We have no king but Caesar!'' By killing a madman, Hell, I'll kill ten a day. And then Pilate had his fun A little joke Short To the point Trilingual And all this Went as it always does When someone gets caught In the gears of government And there's a scientific explanation (no doubt) For the superstitious rumors (persisting to this day) That it didn't all end With a tomb and a Roman squadron on guard. Our sophomore doesn't know about this He doesn't recognize his kindred spirit (Or truth either, as he admits). I guess we haven't learned much in two thousand years. -- -Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com ""Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too. War being hell makes sense."" -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING " 2685,6,"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) Subject: VIDEO CAMERA, AMIGA 3000 For Sale as of 4/16 Lines: 46 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 46 If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me: EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu Phone (703)552-4381 USMail Michael Beck 1200 Progress Street #5500E Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 ~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ 1 PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder VHS HQ High Speed Shutter Flying Erase Head ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly Date/Time stamp Counter/Memory Rec Review Fade Back Light Auto/Manual Focus Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone Comes with: Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case (20"" long X 13"" wide X 6"" high) Shoulder strap Power adaptor/battery charger Battery pack Remote recording controller UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor Audio/Video cables and adaptor Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features) 15"" long X 4"" wide X 8"" high (w/ handle) ASKING PRICE: $BEST OFFER ($700 new price) 1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys broken) ASKING PRICE: $1500 OBO. mult. PROTEON P1390 token ring cards SOLD!! AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730 ASKING PRICE: $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new) SOLD!! COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475 " 2686,3,"From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Subject: The ""P24T"" Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 14 Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu Hay all: Has anyone out there heard of any performance stats on the fabled p24t. I was wondering what it's performance compared to the 486/66 and/or pentium would be. Any info would be helpful. Later BoB -- Robert Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER ENGINEER AND C PROGRAMMER | NOW SEEKING SUMMER JOBS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2687,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr21.212202.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral exploration. Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.. You think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality. There is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so expensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or tax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends of mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of the mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there normal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and other expenses you can owe more than what you made. BAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe 600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And the only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks.. Basically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go cause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the eco-freaks or the protectionist.. Such fun we have in these interesting times.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 2688,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism) Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 18 In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > > Fortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not >fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both >without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both >a masculine and feminine force. That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father', we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less misleading of the two possibilities. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 2689,0,"From: davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu (Dave Choweller) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: California State University, San Bernardino Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: silicon.csci.csusb.edu In article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >|In article <1qi921$egl@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: [stuff deleted...] >||> To the newsgroup at large, how about this for a deal: recognise that what >||> happened in former Communist Russia has as much bearing on the validity >||> of atheism as has the doings of sundry theists on the validity of their >||> theism. That's zip, nada, none. The fallacy is known as ad hominem, and >||> it's an old one. It should be in the Holy FAQ, in the Book of Constructing >||> a Logical Argument :-) >| >|Apart from not making a lot of sense, this is wrong. There >|is no ""atheist creed"" that taught any communist what to do ""in >|the name of atheism"". There clearly are theistic creeds and >|instructions on how to act for theists. They all madly >|conflict with one another, but that's another issue. > >Lack of instructions on how to act might also be evil. That's like saying that, since mathematics includes no instructions on how to act, it is evil. Atheism is not a moral system, so why should it speak of instructions on how to act? *Atheism is simply lack of belief in God*. Plenty of theists >think so. So one could argue the case for ""atheism causes whatever >I didn't like about the former USSR"" with as much validity as ""theism >causes genocide"" - that is to say, no validity at all. I think the argument that a particular theist system causes genocide can be made more convincingly than an argument that atheism causes genocide. This is because theist systems contain instructions on how to act, and one or more of these can be shown to cause genocide. However, since the atheist set of instructions is the null set, how can you show that atheism causes genocide? -- David Choweller (davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu) There are scores of thousands of human insects who are ready at a moment's notice to reveal the Will of God on every possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw. -- There are scores of thousands of human insects who are ready at a moment's notice to reveal the Will of God on every possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw. " 2690,0,"From: bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Lines: 138 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thnext.mit.edu In article <16BA8C4AC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > In article <1pq47tINN8lp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> > bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: > > (Deletion) > > > >I will argue that your latter statement, ""I believe that no gods exist"" > >does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement > >that ""no gods exist"" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't > >know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then > >(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than > >saying I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the > >position, even after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires > >faith. > > > > No it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here > that driving a car requires faith that the car drives. > I'm not saying this at all - it requires no faith on my part to say the car drives because I've seen it drive - I've done more than at in fact - I've actually driven it. (now what does require some faith is the belief that my senses give an accurate representation of what's out there....) But there is NO evidence - pro or con - for the existence or non-existence of God (see what I have to say below on this). > For me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I > have in the premises and the argument used. > Sorry if I remain skeptical - I don't believe it's entirely a conclusion. That you have seen no evidence that there IS a God is correct - neither have I. But lack of evidence for the existence of something is in NO WAY evidence for the non-existence of something (the creationist have a similar mode of argumentation in which if they disprove evolution the establish creation). You (personally) have never seen a neutrino before, but they exist. The ""pink unicorn"" analogy breaks down and is rather naive. I have a scientific theory that explains the appearance of animal life - evolution. When I draw the conclusion that ""pink unicorns"" don't exist because I haven't seen them, this conclusion has it's foundation in observation and theory. A ""pink unicorn"", if it did exist, would be qualitatively similar to other known entities. That is to say, since there is good evidence that all life on earth has evolved from ""more primitive"" ancestors these pink unicorns would share a common anscestory with horses and zebras and such. God, however, has no such correspondence with anything (IMO). There is no physical frame work of observation to draw ANY conclusions FROM. > >But first let me say the following. > >We might have a language problem here - in regards to ""faith"" and > >""existence"". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist. > >To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE > >being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not > >exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless > >to debate the so called ""existence"" of God - and that is not what > >I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of > >being. When you say that ""god does not exist"", I also accept this > >statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However, > >in what follows I will use the phrase ""the existence of God"" in it's > >'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it. > >I would like a clarification upon what you mean by ""the existence of > >God"". > > > > No, that's a word game. I disagree with you profoundly on this. I haven't defined God as existence - in fact, I haven't defined God. But this might be getting off the subject - although if you think it's relevant we can come back to it. > > Further, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is > already used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are > implying more with it, in which case your definition and your argument > so far are incomplete, making it a fallacy. > You are using wrong categories here - or perhaps you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm making no argument what so ever and offering no definition so there is no fallacy. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. *I* Believe - and that rests upon Faith. And it is inappropriate to apply the category of logic in this realm (unless someone tells you that they can logically prove God or that they have ""evidence"" or ..., then the use of logic to disprove their claims if fine and necessary). BTW, an incomplete argument is not a fallacy - some things are not EVEN wrong. > > (Deletion) > >One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say > >that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion > >""based upon observation"", I will have to ask ""what observtions are > >you refering to?"" There are NO observations - pro or con - that > >are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. > (Deletion) > > Where does that follow? Aren't observations based on the assumption > that something exists? > I don't follow you here. Certainly one can make observations of things that they didn't know existed. I still maintain that one cannot use observation to infer that ""God does not exist"". Such a positive assertion requires a leap. > And wouldn't you say there is a level of definition that the assumption > ""god is"" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway. > > So, where is your evidence for that ""god is"" is meaningful at some > level? Once again you seem to completely misunderstand me. I have no EVIDENCE that ""'god is' is meaningful"" at ANY level. Maybe such a response as you gave just comes naturally to you because so many people try to run their own private conception of God down your throat. I, however, am not doing this. I am arguing one, and only one, thing - that to make a positive assertion about something for which there can in principle be no evidence for or against requires a leap - it requires faith. I am, as you would say, a ""theist""; however, there is a form of atheism that I can respect - but it must be founded upon honesty. > Benedikt -- bob singleton bobs@thnext.mit.edu " 2691,4,"From: pino@gammow.berkeley.edu (Jose L. Pino) Subject: Re: wrong RAM in Duo? Organization: U. C. Berkeley Lines: 53 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu Here is the MacWeek article describing the DUO ram situation. (w/o permission. I hope that is ok) Jose Bad RAM brings some Duos down. (random access memory boards for Apple Macintosh PowerBook Duos) MacWEEK v7, n7 (Feb 15, 1993):132. COPYRIGHT Coastal Associates Publishing L.P. 1993 By Raines Cohen Austin, Texas - Some third-party memory-expansion cards for PowerBook Duos depart from Apple specs in ways that could cause crashes, data loss and other problems. Technology Works Inc., a RAM and network vendor based here, last week issued a warning about three problems it said it had found in Duo RAM products from some competing vendors, which it declined to identify. Other vendors and an Apple spokeswoman confirmed that the problems exist. > Self-refresh. The Duos require a kind of dynamic RAM called selfrefreshing, which can recharge itself while the system sleeps. But Technology Works said some vendors have sold Duo cards with nonselfrefreshing DRAM, which can cause the system to lose data or fail to wake from sleep. Most leading memory manufacturers include the letter V in the part number stamped on their self-refreshing chips; nonself-refreshing chips instead have an L, according to TechWorks. The chip label, however, may not tell the whole story. Newer Technology of Wichita, Kan., said it uses nonself-refreshing chips but adds its own circuitry to keep them refreshed while the Duo sleeps. > Speed. Some RAM-card vendors have put 80-nanosecond DRAM on Duo cards rather than the 70-nanosecond type the 230 requires, Technology Works said. However, some chips labeled as 80- or 85-nanosecond are certified by the manufacturer to run at a higher speed. Kingston Technology Corp. of Fountain Valley, Calif., said it offers Duo RAM cards with 80-nanosecond chips, but only for the Duo 210, which is compatible with the slower chips. > Space. Technology Works charged and Apple officials confirmed that some third-party cards are too large to fit properly, forcing the corner of the Duo keyboard up and preventing the system from starting up normally when in a Duo Dock. Lifetime Memory Products Inc. of Huntington Beach, Calif., said it originally shipped cards with this problem but has since offered all customers free upgrades to cards that fit. " 2692,3,"From: hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) Subject: (Q) COMPAQ configuration. HELP!! Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hi All COMPAQ owners A friend of mine has COMPAQ (PORTABLE III), and he has lost all the manuals and diskettes. Please HELP him getting the machine's equipment definition (CMOS) memory configuration right. The machine says that some bytes of it are still incorrectly set up. It seems, that COMPAQ has some bytes defined not like the 100% IBM compatible machines. If You have a COMPAQ, it certainly has DIAGNOSTICs diskette with it. And this is needed. I can't reach quickly any COMPAQ dealers here. If it is possible PLEASE email documentation, or some of its configuration software. Heikki Haldre E-mail: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se or hhaldre@park.tartu.ee " 2693,13,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Foreskin Troubles Lines: 3 This is generally called phimosis..usually it is due to an inflammation, and ca n be retracted in the physician's offfice rather eaaasily. One should see a GP , or in complicated cases, a urologist. " 2694,0,"Subject: So what is Maddi? From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 12 As I was created in the image of Gaea, therefore I must be the pinnacle of creation, She which Creates, She which Births, She which Continues. Or, to cut all the religious crap, I'm a woman, thanks. And it's sexism that started me on the road to atheism. -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553 Kids, please don't try this at home. Remember, I post professionally. " 2695,7,"From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Keywords: n Nntp-Posting-Host: kinglear.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com >(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: > >>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in >>place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no >>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). > >Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot. > >all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip >home. Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one. I imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it. Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc. -- Boycott USL/Novell for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit. | Drew Eckhardt Condemn Colorado for Amendment Two. | drew@cs.Colorado.EDU Use Linux, the fast, flexible, and free 386 unix | " 2696,3,"From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Jim Johnson) Subject: Run box w/o cover ?? Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch Lines: 25 B(>i am interested in getting the pulse of this group regarding B(>extended operation of my G2K 486-33V with the cover removed B(>from the enclosure. there are a # of reasons i am considering B(>this, including quick access to jumpers during complex i/o card B(>setups. B(>my concern is that without a complete enclosure to direct the B(>cooling flow of air from the fan, ""hot spots"" may develop on my B(>motherboard or elsewhere. If you have an adequate supply of air moving over the system (most offices or homes have positive ventilation) you can generally run a system without the cover for extended periods without a problem. (I'm talking about completely removing the cover - not just leaving the slots uncovered.) HOWEVER, the biggest reason you have a cover to begin with is RF sheilding. Operating a system without the full cover may create problems with other equipment such as your neighbor's TV or Ham radio station - very much a no-no in the eyes of the law. * SLMR 2.1a * Remember - They're only tools, not a way of life! -- Via DlgQWK v0.71a " 2697,9,"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell >is he thinking. Didn't Alicea get a hit, though? See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu " 2698,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 60 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >>What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no >>flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior >>corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. > >>I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if >>they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to >>attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and >>governments to break. > >>I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about >>the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly >>satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). I don't doubt that this will be the attitude of many corporate leaders. It's understandable--most corporate execs don't know much about cryptology, and it's easy to get taken in by someone peddling snake oil. And, the proposed scheme *is* a major improvement in telephone security to what exists now. The problem is that, with any security scheme of this kind, you have to concern yourself with the weakest link in the chain. I suspect that NSA has put a fairly strong encryption algorithm in this wiretap chip of theirs, probably at least as strong as (say) DES in OFB-mode. Unfortunately, the existence of the key-registry system seems to make possible all kinds of possible attacks at a small fraction of the expense of trying to build (say) a DES keysearch machine. As originally described, it sounded like any police / court combination could acquire the key for a given chip. I hope that's not the case, since it would imply a glaring hole. (How much does it cost to find *one* crooked jodge and *one* crooked cop? Especially for a foreign intelligence agency or organized crime boss?) However, even if more intelligent schemes are used to allow access to the unencrypted phone conversations, there will be weak- nesses. They may be very expensive, and very difficult. But who would trust his/her confidential information to an encryption scheme that, for (say) $100,000 could by cracked one time in a hundred? (DES, for all the complaints about a 56-bit key, would probably cost several million dollars to build a keysearch machine for.) How many million dollars would the confidential phone messages of the GM headquarters be worth to Nissan, Chrysler, or Audi? How about home phones of major execs and important engineers and designers? ""Gee, Mr Jones, I understand you've had some financial problems lately. Maybe I can help..."" >>I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some >>Swiss or anybody Japanese. Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant to ""practical cryptanalysis."" In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of police organizations and courts across the land. --John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu " 2699,0,"From: cfairman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carolyn Jean Fairman) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 26 joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: >Someone writes: >>I found a list of Biblical contradictions and cleaned it up a bit, >>but now I'd like some help with it. >I'm curious to know what purpose people think these lists serve. It's about time. Why do atheists spend so much time paying attention to the bible, anyway? Face it, there are better things to do with your life! I used to chuckle and snort over the silliness in that book and the absurdity of people believing in it as truth, etc. Why do we spend so little time on the Mayan religion, or the Native Americans? Heck, the Native Americans have signifigantly more interesting myths. Also, what about the Egyptians. I think we pay so much attention to Christianity because we accept it as a _religion_ and not a mythology, which I find more accurate. I try to be tolerant. It gets very hard when someone places a book under my nose and tells me it's special. It's not. Carolyn " 2700,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 05/10 - Product Ciphers Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 435 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 5 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Product Ciphers. Theory and security of product ciphers. Differential cryptanalysis. DES encryption standard. NSA role in DES design. DES hardware and software availability. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part05 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 5: Product ciphers This is the fifth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is a product cipher? * What makes a product cipher secure? * What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers? * What can be proven about the security of a product cipher? * How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size? * Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication? * What exactly is DES? * What is triple DES? * What is differential cryptanalysis? * How was NSA involved in the design of DES? * Is DES available in software? * Is DES available in hardware? * Can DES be used to protect classified information? * What are ""ECB"", ""CBC"", ""CFB"", and ""OFB"" encryption? * What is a product cipher? A product cipher is a block cipher that iterates several weak operations such as substitution, transposition, modular addition/multiplication, and linear transformation. (A ``block cipher'' just means a cipher that encrypts a block of data---8 bytes, say---all at once, then goes on to the next block.) The notion of product ciphers is due to Shannon [SHA49]. Examples of modern product ciphers include LUCIFER [SOR84], DES [NBS77], SP-networks [KAM78], LOKI [BRO90], FEAL [SHI84], PES [LAI90], Khufu and Khafre [ME91a]. The so-called Feistel ciphers are a class of product ciphers which operate on one half of the ciphertext at each round, and then swap the ciphertext halves after each round. LUCIFER, DES, LOKI, and FEAL are examples of Feistel ciphers. The following table compares the main parameters of several product ciphers: cipher | block length | key bits | number of rounds LUCIFER 128 128 16 DES 64 56 16 LOKI 64 64 16 FEAL 64 128 2^x, x >= 5 PES 64 128 8 * What makes a product cipher secure? Nobody knows how to prove mathematically that a product cipher is completely secure. So in practice one begins by demonstrating that the cipher ``looks highly random''. For example, the cipher must be nonlinear, and it must produce ciphertext which functionally depends on every bit of the plaintext and the key. Meyer [MEY78] has shown that at least 5 rounds of DES are required to guarantee such a dependence. In this sense a product cipher should act as a ``mixing'' function which combines the plaintext, key, and ciphertext in a complex nonlinear fashion. The fixed per-round substitutions of the product cipher are referred to as S-boxes. For example, LUCIFER has 2 S-boxes, and DES has 8 S-boxes. The nonlinearity of a product cipher reduces to a careful design of these S-boxes. A list of partial design criteria for the S-boxes of DES, which apply to S-boxes in general, may be found in Brown [BRO89] and Brickell et al. [BRI86]. * What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers? Let E be a product cipher that maps N-bit blocks to N-bit blocks. Let E_K(X) be the encryption of X under key K. Then, for any fixed K, the map sending X to E_K(X) is a permutation of the set of N-bit blocks. Denote this permutation by P_K. The set of all N-bit permutations is called the symmetric group and is written S_{2^N}. The collection of all these permutations P_K, where K ranges over all possible keys, is denoted E(S_{2^N}). If E were a random mapping from plaintexts to ciphertexts then we would expect E(S_{2^N}) to generate a large subset of S_{2^N}. Coppersmith and Grossman [COP74] have shown that a very simple product cipher can generate the alternating group A_{2^N} given a sufficient number of rounds. (The alternating group is half of the symmetric group: it consists of all ``even'' permutations, i.e., all permutations which can be written as an even number of swaps.) Even and Goldreich [EVE83] were able to extend these results to show that Feistel ciphers can generate A_{2^N}, given a sufficient number of rounds. The security of multiple encipherment also depends on the group-theoretic properties of a cipher. Multiple encipherment is an extension over single encipherment if for keys K1, K2 there does not exist a third key K3 such that E_K2(E_K1(X)) == E_(K3)(X) (**) which indicates that encrypting twice with two independent keys K1, K2 is equal to a single encryption under the third key K3. If for every K1, K2 there exists a K3 such that eq. (**) is true then we say that E is a group. This question of whether DES is a group under this definition was extensively studied by Sherman, Kaliski, and Rivest [SHE88]. In their paper they give strong evidence for the hypothesis that DES is not a group. In fact DES is not a group [CAM93]. * What can be proven about the security of a product cipher? Recall from above that P_K is a permutation produced by E under some key K. The goal of the designer of E is to ensure that P_K appears to be a random element of S_{2^N}, the symmetric group. Let R be an element of S_{2^N} selected randomly. We will say that P_K and R are indistinguishable if an observer given P_K and R in some order cannot distinguish between these two permutations in polynomial time. That is, with time bounded resources, the observer cannot determine which of the permutations is produced by E: the optimal decision is no better than simply guessing. Luby and Rackoff [LUB88] have shown that a class of Feistel ciphers are secure in this sense when the round mapping is replaced by random boolean functions. * How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size? There are four standard ""modes of operation"" (and numerous non-standard ones as well). The standard modes of operation are defined in the U.S. Department of Commerce Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 81, published in 1980. See the question about ""ECB"" below for more details. Although they are defined for the DES block cipher, the ""modes of operation"" can be used with any block cipher. * Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication? One may use a symmetric cryptosystem block cipher to prove to himself that he did or did not generate a message, and to prove to himself whether his message was altered or unaltered since generation. But one cannot prove these things to another without revealing the key, and thereafter that key cannot be used to prove anything about any messages that were authenticated using that key. See ANSI X3.106-1983 and FIPS 113 (1985) for a standard method of message authentication using DES. * What exactly is DES? DES is the U.S. Government's Data Encryption Standard - a product cipher that operates on 64-bit blocks of data, using a 56-bit key. It is defined in FIPS 46-1 (1988) [which supersedes FIPS 46 (1977)]. FIPS are Federal Information Processing Standards published by NTIS. DES is identical to the ANSI standard Data Encryption Algorithm (DEA) defined in ANSI X3.92-1981. * What is triple DES? Triple DES is a product cipher which, like DES, operates on 64-bit data blocks. There are several forms, each of which uses the DES cipher 3 times. Some forms use two 56-bit keys, some use three. The ""DES modes of operation"" may also be used with triple-DES. Some people refer to E(K1,D(K2,E(K1,x))) as triple-DES. This method is defined in chapter 7.2 of the ANSI standard X9.17-1985 ""Financial Institution Key Management"" and is intended for use in encrypting DES keys and IVs for ""Automated Key Distribution"". Its formal name is ""Encryption and Decryption of a Single Key by a Key Pair"", but it is referenced in other standards documents as EDE. That standard says (section 7.2.1): ""Key encrypting keys may be a single DEA key or a DEA key pair. Key pairs shoud be used where additional security is needed (e.g., the data protected by the key(s) has a long security life). A key pair shall not be encrypted or decrypted using a single key."" Others use the term ""triple-DES"" for E(K1,D(K2,E(K3,x))) or E(K1,E(K2,E(K3,x))). One of us (Carl Ellison) keeps advocating DES triple use in the form E(K1, TRAN( E(K2, TRAN( E(K3, COMPRESS( x )))))), where each DES instance has its own key and IV (for CBC mode) and TRAN has been posted on sci.crypt. (It is a large-block transposition program taking its key from the data stream itself, so that it is not an encryption program on its own part.) * What is differential cryptanalysis? Differential cryptanalysis is a statistical attack that can be applied to any iterated mapping (ie. any mapping which is based on a repeated round function). The method was recently popularized by Biham and Shamir [BIH91], but Coppersmith has remarked that the S-boxes of DES were optimized against this attack some 20 years ago. This method has proved effective against several product ciphers, notably FEAL [BI91a]. Differential cryptanalysis is based on observing a large number of ciphertexts Y, Y' whose corresponding plaintexts X, X' satisfy a known difference D = X+X', where + is componentwise XOR. In the basic Biham-Shamir attack, 2^{47} such plaintext pairs are required to determine the key for DES. Substantially fewer pairs are required if DES is truncated to 6 or 8 rounds. In these cases, the actual key can be recovered in a matter of minutes using a few thousand pairs. For full DES this attack is impractical because it requires so many known plaintexts. The work of Biham and Shamir on DES revealed several startling observations on the algorithm. Most importantly, if the key schedule was removed from DES and a 16*48 = 768-bit key was used, the key could be recovered in less than 2^{64} steps. Thus independent subkeys do not add substantial security to DES. Further, the S-boxes of DES are extremely sensitive in that changing even single entries in these tables yields significant improvement in the differential attack. Adi Shamir is quoted to say (NYTimes Oct 13 1991), ``I would say that, contrary to what some people believe, there is no evidence of tampering with the DES so that the basic design was weakened.'' * How was NSA involved in the design of DES? According to Kinnucan [KIN78], Tuchman, a member of the group that developed DES at IBM is quoted as saying, ``We developed the DES algorithm entirely within IBM using IBMers. The NSA did not dictate a single wire!'' Tuchman and Meyer (another developer of DES) spent a year breaking ciphers and finding weaknesses in Lucifer. They then spent two years strengthening Lucifer. ``Their basic approach was to look for strong substitution, permutation, and key scheduling functions ... IBM has classified the notes containing the selection criteria at the request of the NSA.... `The NSA told us we had inadvertently reinvented some of the deep secrets it uses to make its own algorithms,' explains Tuchman.'' On the other hand, a document called ``Involvement of the NSA in the development of DES: unclassified summary of the United States Select Committee on Intelligence'', printed in the IEEE Communications Magazine, p53-55, 1978, states: ``In the development of DES, NSA convinced IBM that a reduced keysize was sufficient; indirectly assisted in the development of the S-box structures; and certified that the final DES algorithm was, to the best of their knowledge, free from any statistical or mathematical weakness.'' Clearly the key size was reduced at the insistence of the NSA. The article further states that the NSA did not tamper with the algorithm itself, just the parameters, which in some sense resolves the apparent conflict in the remarks of Meyer and Tuchman presented above. * Is DES available in software? Several people have made DES code available via ftp (see part 10 for pathnames): Stig Ostholm [FTPSO]; BSD [FTPBK]; Eric Young [FTPEY]; Dennis Furguson [FTPDF]; Mark Riordan [FTPMR]; Phil Karn [FTPPK]. A Pascal listing of DES is also given in Patterson [PAT87]. FIPS 46-1 says ""The algorithm specified in this standard is to be implemented ... using hardware (not software) technology. ... Software implementations in general purpose computers are not in compliance with this standard."" Despite this, software implementations abound, and are used by government agencies. * Is DES available in hardware? The following paragraphs are quoted from messages sent to the editors. We don't vouch for the quality or even existence of the products. Chip Rosenthal says: ``Dallas Semiconductor makes a DES encryption/decryption device for use on standard, digital 64Kbps PCM telecom data streams. It is capable of processing data in real time, e.g. one sample/frame. It is the DS2160. Their phone number is 214-450-0400. You would probably need to talk with Dewight in Telecom marketing.'' Christian Franke, franke@informatik.rwth-aachen.de, says: ``1. Cryptech CRY12C102: 22.5Mbit/s according to Data Sheet, with 32 Bit interface. We use this one, because it was the only one available when we started the project. No problems ! 2. Pijnenburg PCC100: 20Mbit/s according to Data Sheet. Address: PIJNENBURG B.V., Boxtelswweg 26, NL-5261 NE Vught, The Netherlands. 3. INFOSYS DES Chip (Germany): S-Boxes must be loaded by software. So you can modify the Algorithm. Sorry, I don't have the data sheet handy. Please E-Mail me if you need further information.'' mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) says: ""SuperCrypt"" 100Mb/sec and faster DES and Proprietary Storage for 16 56-bit keys Key stream generator Integrated hardware DES3 procedure Extended mode with 112 bit keys; Computer Elektronik Infosys; 512-A Herndon Parkway,; Herndon, VA 22070; (800)322-3464 thember@gandalf.ca (Tim Hember) says: Newbridge Microsystems sells an AM9568 compatible DES chip that operates at 25MHz, performs a round of encryption in 18 clocks, has a three-stage pipeline, supports ECB, CBC, CFB-8 and >>> CFB-1 <<<<. Further it is very reasonable priced as opposed to other high-end DES chips. Call Newbridge Microsystems, Ottawa, (613) 592-0714. (... there are no import/export issues with Canada and the US). If you require custom DES or Public Key ICs then Timestep Engineering developed Newbridge's crypto chips and ICs for other commercial and educational establishments. They can be reached at (613) 820-0024. * Can DES be used to protect classified information? DES is not intended to protect classified data. FIPS 46-1 says: ""This standard will be used by Federal departments and agencies for the cryptographic protection of computer data when the following conditions apply: 1. ... cryptographic protection is required; and 2. the data is not classified according to the National Security Act of 1947, as amended, or the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended."" * What are ""ECB"", ""CBC"", ""CFB"", and ""OFB"" encryption? These are methods for using block ciphers, such as DES, to encrypt messages, files, and blocks of data, known as ""modes of operation."" Four ""modes of operation"" are defined in FIPS 81 (1980 December 2), and also in ANSI X3.106-1983. FIPS 81 specifies that when 7-bit ASCII data is sent in octets, the unused most-significant bit is to be set to 1. FIPS 81 also specifies the padding for short blocks. The four DES modes of operation are: Electronic Code Book (ECB), Cipher Block Chaining (CBC), K-bit Cipher FeedBack (CFB), and K-bit Output FeedBack (OFB). These methods are explained below in a c-language-like notation. Some symbols: P[n] The n'th block of plaintext, input to encryption, output from decryption. Size of block determined by the mode. C[n] The n'th block of ciphertext, output from encryption, input to decryption. Size of block determined by the mode. E(m) The DES encryption function, performed on 64-bit block m, using the 16-key schedule derived from some 56-bit key. D(m) The DES decryption function, performed on 64-bit block m, using the same key schedule as in E(m), except that the 16 keys in the schedule are used in the opposite order as in E(m). IV A 64-bit ""initialization vector"", a secret value which, along with the key, is shared by both encryptor and decryptor. I[n] The n'th value of a 64-bit variable, used in some modes. R[n] The n'th value of a 64-bit variable, used in some modes. LSB(m,k) The k least significant (right-most) bits of m. e.g. m & ((1 << k) - 1) MSB(m,k) The k most significant (left-most) bits of m. e.g. (m >> (64-k)) & ((1 << k) - 1) = ^ << >> & operators as defined in the c langage. Electronic Code Book (ECB): P[n] and C[n] are each 64-bits long. Encryption: Decryption: C[n] = E(P[n]) P[n] = D(C[n]) Cipher Block Chaining (CBC): P[n] and C[n] are each 64-bits long. Encryption: Decryption: C[0] = E(P[0]^IV) P[0] = D(C[0])^IV (n>0) C[n] = E(P[n]^C[n-1]) P[n] = D(C[n])^C[n-1] k-bit Cipher FeedBack (CFB): P[n] and C[n] are each k bits long, 1 <= k <= 64. Encryption: Decryption: I[0] = IV I[0] = IV (n>0) I[n] = I[n-1]<0) I[n] = C[n-1] I[n] = C[n-1] (all n) R[n] = E(I[n]) R[n] = E(I[n]) (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n] P[n] = C[n]^R[n] CFB notes: Since I[n] depends only on the plain or cipher text from the previous operation, the E() function can be performed in parallel with the reception of the text with which it is used. k-bit Output FeedBack (OFB): P[n] and C[n] are each k bits long, 1 <= k <= 64. Encryption: Decryption: I[0] = IV I[0] = IV (n>0) I[n] = I[n-1]<0) I[n] = R[n-1] I[n] = R[n-1] (all n) R[n] = E(I[n]) R[n] = E(I[n]) (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n] P[n] = C[n]^R[n] OFB notes: encryption and decryption are identical. Since I[n] is independent of P and C, the E() function can be performed in advance of the receipt of the plain/cipher text with which it is to be used. Additional notes on DES ""modes of operation"": ECB and CBC use E() to encrypt and D() to decrypt, but the feedback modes use E() to both encrypt and decrypt. This disproves the erroneous claim that systems which feature E() but not D() cannot be used for data confidentiality, and therefore are not subject to export controls. " 2701,8,"From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen) Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance Organization: Uppsala University Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se I moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and road) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years... Of course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until I became resident. Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC. " 2702,3,"From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) Subject: Re: warranty extension by credit company: applies to the phurchase of computer? Article-I.D.: cup.C51Cv1.MLL Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: writer.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] HUAYONG YANG (yang@titan.ucs.umass.edu) wrote: : Most, if not all, credit card companies offer to double the warranty up : to one year, namely, if you make a purchase by a credit card, you get : additional warranty up to one year. Does it apply to the purchase of : computers? I wonder if anyone out there has used it. Is there any catch? : Thanks in advance. I am just about to post the results of my big computer purchase. One of the key points was the ability to use my American Express card. I read the fine print between double warranty policies of Amex and Citibank VISA. Sure, both will allow you double warranty on computers, but Citibank has a maximum claim of $250.00. Could you imagine trying to get your monitor or mother board fixed for $250.00? Amex has NO limit on claims. Remember, if you use Amex, you must either send a copy of the warranty info to them in 30 days from purchase, or you must call them to pre-register and then send them the paperwork within 90 days of purchase (my pre-register pak arrived today). Citibank VISA requires no pre-registration. --Ken " 2703,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 16 In article dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes: >>I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough. > >this all sounds like that Indecent Proposal movie. wouldn't there be >a lot of people that would try this with little hope of working just >to get the dough? if you have a 1:100 chance and it costs you $10Mil, >then you might pay some stooge a few grand to be your lucky hero. >just send up a few dozen and 1 is bound to survive enough to make YOU >rich. Any prize like this is going to need to be worded carefully enough that you cannot get it without demonstrating sustained and reliable capability, rather than a lucky one-shot. It can be done. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 2704,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: < writes: >>>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they >>>should not have available to use. >>It is worse than others? >Worse? Maybe not, but it is definately a violation of the >rules the US govt. supposedly follows. Oh? >>>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read: >>> ""In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"" >>Would you approve of such a motto? >No. ...not unless the only way to get rid of the current one >was to change it to such as that. What is wrong with *this* motto, now? If you wouldn't approve of even that one, I am beginning to think that you just have something against mottos in general. What do you think of ""E plurbis unum?"" keith " 2705,5,"From: mufti@plsparc.UUCP (Saad Mufti) Subject: FAQ for this group Distribution: usa Organization: Personal Library Software, Inc. Lines: 11 Could some kind soul point me in the right direction for the FAQ list for this group. Thanks. -------------------- Saad Mufti Personal Library Software e-mail : mufti@pls.com " 2706,11,"From: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Nntp-Posting-Host: unix.ka9q.ampr.org Reply-To: karn@servo.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 24 In article , wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes: |> The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to |> the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct |> lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure |> law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General |> shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture |> Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. This is a very curious thing to say. STU-IIIs (NSA-designed secure telephones cleared for classified traffic) are already readily available to law enforcement agencies. Word has it they're standard in every FBI office, for example. Something like several hundred thousand of these phones exist in all. They are clearly the US government standard. So why does the DoJ need to buy new phones that, unlike STU-IIIs, will not be certified for classified traffic, and in all likelihood will not be compatible with existing STU-IIIs? Unless, of course, they're gearing up for large scale decryption of civilian Clipper users, and they need compatible hardware... Phil " 2707,6,"From: abou@dam.cee.clarkson.edu Subject: Re: computer books for sale (UPDATED LIST) Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.013433.16103 Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 76 Nntp-Posting-Host: dam.cee.clarkson.edu UPDATED LIST Hi everybody I have the following books for sale. Some of these books are brand new. If you find any book you like and need more information about it, please feel free to send me an E-Mail. The buyers pays the shipping fees. Thanks. abou@sun.soe.clarkson.edu ======================================================================== TITLE : Windows Programming: An Introduction AUTHOR : William H. Murray, III & Chris H. 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Zimmerman PUBLISH.: Scott, Foresman and Co. pp. : 637 COVER : Soft NOTE : Some of the pages are highlighted ASKING : $10 ========================================================================== TITLE : Introduction to Computer Graphics AUTHOR : John Demel & Michael Miller PUBLISH.: Brooks/Cole Engineering Division pp. : 427 COVER : Soft NOTE : Example Programs in BASIC and Fortran ASKING : $10 ========================================================================== TITLE : Hard Disk Mangement: The Pocket Reference AUTHOR : Kris Jamsa PUBLISH.: Osborne McGraw-Hill pp. : 128 COVER : Soft NOTE : Pocket Size ASKING : $ 4 ========================================================================== " 2708,6,"From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Re: Ami Pro v3.0 for sale! Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >Lotus Ami Pro v3.0 - $150 >Please reply if interested. >Thank you. Or you could get it new for $39.95. the phone is 800-732-3396 or 800-358-club or 800-753-7877 the address is PC Buyer's Club 62-H Montvale Ave. Stoneham, MA 02180 I don't work for them, just thought it was too good a deal to pass up. BTW, I recived mine 3 days before they said it would arrive. :) Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu " 2709,3,"From: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) Subject: Re: com ports /modem/ mouse conflict -REALLY? Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr11.120848.493@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org> (comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,uw.pc.general,uw.pc.ibm,misc.forsale.computers.d,comp.dcom.modems,), oli@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Duesel) writes: ] Hi there, ] ] yuri@windy.Berkeley.EDU (Yuri Yulaev) writes: ] ] : I have 1s/1p/1g I/O card in my 386/40 PC. ] : When I plug in wang modem at com4,it works. If I change ] : it to com1- it doesn't. ] : Program ""chkport"" gives diagnostics like ""possible com /irq ] : conflict at com1"" (with mouse driver in memory). ] ] Since your IO-card only has one serial port - this should default to COM1 ? ] Under MS-DOS, you can't share IRQ's - so you'll have to set either your modem ] or your mouse to COM2 ... using different adresses and IRQ's. ] When you set two 'devices' onto the same IRQ - like COM1 and COM3 (or 2 and 4) ] - the 'latter' one will always win, i.e. if you have your mouse on COM1 and ] start using your modem on COM3, your modem should work - but your mouse will ] stop doing so, until reboot. ] ] It should be no problem, setting your modem to COM2 ? (you didn't write ] anything about other peripherals ...) ] ] I hope, it helped a bit .... By(t)e, Oli. ] ] Hi, I'm kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3 and 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem into com3 and expect both to work? If Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different? And, does it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too? Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Hunt ""Wherever you go, there you are!"" Howtek, Inc. Internet: phil@howtek.MV.COM uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil " 2710,13,"From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article SFEGUS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >In article <79857@cup.portal.com> >mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > >> >>No, there is something called the ""Delany Amendment"" which makes carcinogenic >>food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the > >I think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to >commercially produce/sell food with carcinogenic substances, it is not illegal >for people to do such to their own food (smoking, etc). Is this true? > Whoa. What did you say your name was? Address, SSN? Smoking foods, eh? I think the gov't would like to know about this... Brian :-) " 2711,2,"From: vestman@cs.umu.se (Peter Vestman) Subject: 768x1024 Trident Driver Wanted! Keywords: Trident Driver Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden Lines: 12 Is there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere. This mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have not been able to find it for Windows. (768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768) Any help is appreciated. --------------------------------- Peter Vestman Dep of Computing Science University of Umea, Sweden " 2712,9,"From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") Subject: Re: Mel Hall Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 10 warped@cs.montana.edu writes: > > Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't > with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? > > Doug Dolven Japan, I think. " 2713,7,"From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl Elvis MacRae) Subject: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions? Organization: Tattooed Love Boys Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say... I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all three have any strong opinions? Ford Explorer Toyota 4Runner Nissan Pathfinder Currently I'm leaning toward the Toyota, 'cause I've had big success with Toyota trucks in the past, and 'cause I think it's the best looking of the three. But I thought I'd see if anyone has any strong opinions.... Thanks! -Karl -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Karl Elvis MacRae Software Release Support Cisco Systems kmac@cisco.com -or- batman@cisco.com 415-688-8231 DoD# 1999 FJ1200 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ""Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction"" -Arlo Guthrie " 2714,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? Article-I.D.: news.2BC0D53B.20378 Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu In article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes: >>In jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >>>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? >> >>That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks. >> >>Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who >>greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily >>rounds? > >I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" >(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, >but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the >massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion >impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud >of confusion. DIs it possible to track down ""zuma"" and determine who/what/where ""seradr"" is? If not, why not? I assu\me his/her/its identity is not shielded by policies similar to those in place at ""anonymous"" services. Tim D D D Very simpl " 2715,7,"From: lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso) Subject: Re: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger Nntp-Posting-Host: zruty Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 22 ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) writes: >It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM. >Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2 >liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would >cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck). >What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to >time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach, >but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast >as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up >at a stop light. Sometimes a bad choke pull-off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle. The pull-off, which is vacuum actuated, provides a necessary pull in non-cold weather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam. Locate the fast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a normal idle. If so, locate the diaphram and test it. If you can't apply suction (via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose) with your mouth that will cause the diaphram to retract, then it's bad and should be replaced. Bernie Lofaso Applied Research Labs " 2716,15,"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 44 (Dean and I write lots and lots about absolute truth and arrogance.) vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: > I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I > deign from commenting much further. I agree that we'll probably never agree, and I'm starting to feel frustrated, and I'm tired of having my conversations with my husband dominated by this topic (just kidding, :-)). I do have to say, though, that participating in this discussion has been a good learning experience for me. My views on this topic have evolved and clarified through this, and I suspect that we may not disagree as much as we think. I admit that I'm strongly prejudiced against evangelical Christianity, and I may not always be rational in my reactions to it. I grew up in EC, and went to an EC college. It was definitely the wrong place for me, and I react strongly to any implication that EC or conservative Christianity has any sort of stronghold on true Christianity. I shudder when I remember the condescending attitude I had about other Christians who didn't adhere to the EC model. I have come to see that my real objection to this whole notion of absolute truth is the actions I have seen it lead to. I have had some very bad experiences with evangelical Christians claiming to know the truth, and judging me or others based on their belief that they have the answers. Knowing the truth doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of room for others' opinions. I can accept your belief in absolute truth as long as you* don't try to use that belief to try to force others to comply with it, and you are very careful that you don't hurt others with it. Love your neighbor seems to go totally out the window when one knows the truth and believes that everyone should be living by that truth. Other people have convictions about the truth every bit as strong and sincere as yours, based on careful searching, prayer, and their relationship with God. Don't dismiss them because God didn't lead them to the same conclusions as yours. *This is not directed personally at you, Dean. Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com " 2717,11,"From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security) Nntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com Reply-To: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 37 In article , vkub@charlie.usd.edu (Vince Kub) writes: |> Now, |> the original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if |> certain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no |> question of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no |> longer there to be produced. Getting rid of the keys is actually pretty easy to do automatically on a communications link, as opposed to storage where the keys have to be retained somehow as long as the owner wants to be able to retrieve the data. The right way to do communications security is to generate a random session key with Diffie Hellman, use it for a while and then destroy it. Once it's gone, there's no getting it back, and no way to decrypt recordings of the conversation. To make sure you aren't being attacked by a man in the middle, you have to authenticate your DH exchanges. The AT&T secure phone does this by displaying the DH key so you can compare them verbally over the phone. This is nice and simple, but it relies on user awareness plus the inability of the man in the middle to duplicate the users' voices. A better way is to authenticate the exchanges with RSA. Since you'd never use RSA for actual encryption, compromising your RSA secret key would only allow someone to impersonate you in a future conversation, and even that only until you revoke your public key. They would still not be able to decrypt recordings of prior conversations for which the session keys have been destroyed. I'm convinced that this is how the government's own secure phones (the STU-III) must work. Neat, eh? Phil " 2718,18,"From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) Subject: Re: Pro-abortion feminist leader endorses trashing of free speech rights Organization: NCSU Lines: 71 In article gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes: >dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes: >> 51 Arrested for Defying Judge's Order at Abortion Protest Rally >> The Miami Herald, April 11, 1993 >> >> Circuit Judge Robert McGregor's order prohibits anti-abortion pickets >> within 36 feet of the property line of Aware Woman Center for Choice. >> Even across the street, they may not display pictures of dead fetuses >> or sing or chant loud enough to be heard by patients inside the clinic. > Several years ago, Justice William O. Douglas, who was > about as libertarian as you can get about free-speech > and similar issues, wrote a majority opinion in which > the Supreme Court turned down an appeal by a group of > people who had been prohibited from demonstrating in > front of their landlord's home. Do you have a cite for the case? You don't give enough information to be able to compare the two situations. If the demonstrators had been blaring loud rock music into the landlord's home all day and night, then I could see how the opinion would be justified. But this court order had prohibited abortion protesters from displaying pictures of dead fetuses, which doesn't disrupt the privacy of anyone inside the clinic. > He pointed out that > people have a right to be free _from_ speech, Perhaps in the privacy of their homes, but not on public property. Did the Korean grocery store owner in New York city have a right to be free from the speech of the protesters outside his store? Patrons inside the store could hear the protesters asking them to re-consider shopping there -- how is that different from the abortion protesters asking women to re-consider getting an abortion at a clinic? > Harassment goes beyond > expression to direct attack on particular persons, > in this case the workers and clients at a clinic. > Its purpose is clearly not to convey information or > express an opinion, but to intimidate and do harm to > other others. Even if the protesters' speech could be considered ""harassment"" (which it is not), hate speech laws have generally been struck down by the courts. I don't see how the words ``don't kill your baby'' or ``abortion is murder'' could be considered harassment. > Anti-abortionists have lost the battle for public > opinion, and the more psychopathic among them have > turned to harassment, arson, bombing and murder to > carry on their war. There is no reason not to > restrain them to protect the ordinary civil rights > of everyone else. Some of the protesters were arrested for simply praying quietly on a public sidewalk. Yeah, I could see how that might be equivalent to ""bombing"" and ""murder"". Uh huh. Let us know when you get a grip on reality. > )*( Gordon Fitch )*( gcf@panix.com )*( >( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 ) Doug Holtsinger " 2719,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 81 In article , sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: |> In msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark Underwood) writes: |> |> >I am somewhat familiar with the dB measurements as they apply to |> >electrical circuits - i.e. it is the gain of (for example) an amplifier |> >measured on a logarithmic scale. However, this requires that you have a |> >reference value: i.e the ouput is +20dB (e.g.) with respect to the input |> >signal. |> What you actually talking about here is dBm and not dB. However, the terms |> are used loosely by most people. ``dBm'' is power with respact to 1mW, whereas |> dB is a ratio. Now, like these two English statement: |> |> 1. I am doing well. |> 2. I am doing good. |> |> Similarly, people usually use dB for dBm. Another common mistake is spelling |> ``db'' instead of ``dB'' as you did in your article. See the ``B'' is for |> ``Bell'' company, the mother of AT&T and should be capitalized. |> |> With highest regards, |> Babak Sehari. Good gravy! Decibels are all *ratios.* The question that remains in any ratio is the reference unit used. Sometimes, this will be a reference power, such as 1 milliwatt (given a certain circuit impedance which should also be included in the fine print or known, like 50 ohms in an RF circuit of that impedance), leading to an accepted notation of dBm. Maybe it might be dBV, disregarding the impedance of the circuit and power developed, using 1 volt as reference *amplitude* (rather than reference power). Or, it might have an arbitrary or omitted reference that is not included in the notation, leading to just plain dB. So. look at it this way--'dB' has an implied reference while notation such as 'dBm' has an explicit reference. For power: dB = 10*log( P(measured)/P(reference) ) For amplitude dB = 20*log( A(measured)/A(reference) ) 'B' is for bel, which is a standard term for a log ratio to the base 10, named after Alexander Graham Bell. A 'deci' Bel is 1/10 of a bel. It has nothing to do with the Bell Telephone company except for the common founder's name. The small 'd'/large 'B' is per SI notation convention. I don't know anyone that's been crucified for messing it up. Common references for audio are: 0 dBm = 1 milliwatt across 600 ohms 0 dBV = 1 volt 0 VU (a zero on the VU meter) = +4 dBm (pro gear line level) 0 VU = -10dBV (consumer gear line level) Often times, a power amp VU meter will be aligned using the rated power of the amp as the 0 dB point. It is all done to whatever reference is reasonable for the application or moment. Note that in a circuit with a given (and maybe unknown) linear impedance, if the amplitude goes up so many decibels, the power will also increase the same amount. This proof can be done with the above two identities and ohm's law. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 2720,9,"From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) Subject: Re: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT! Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc. Lines: 51 Why did I get sucked into this? In article <1993Apr19.035406.11473@news.yale.edu> (Austin Jacobs) writes: >Don't you GUYS think so? I mean, c'mon! What the heck are women doing >even THINKING of getting into baseball. They cause so many problems. Just Assuming you're serious, I guess you'd be surprised to hear that us GUYS don't think so. I would guess that a tiny fraction of 1% of the folks reading your post agree with it. I kind of doubt that even you agree with it. I'm not going to go through your points one at a time, because, after all, not many of them have anything at all to do with baseball. I'm only replying to this because you brought up Pam Postema, the AAA umpire who sued (is suing?) baseball on the grounds of sex discrimination because she wasn't promoted to the majors. >Jeez! Look at Pam Postema. Just because she's a woman, everybody on the >face of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to >ump. If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of >roast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires. I've never seen her ump a game. I have no first hand experience with her ability as an umpire. But I have seen her on talk shows. And her point seems to be that she can call balls and strikes as well as any of the umpires and she knows the rulebook better than most. It seems to me that she is missing the point and if that's how she sees the role of umpires in the game, well I wouldn't promote her either. The umpires primary role has nothing to do with calling baserunners safe or out; hell, Joe Lundy could do that. Their primary function is to maintain order in the game, keep the game moving, and keep the players from trying to kill each other. Umpires have to be extremely tough people. That disqualifies most of us, both men and women. And if Ms. Postema thinks that she deserves to be a major league umpire because of her command of the rulebook, then I think that disqualifies her as well. Umpires need to command the game; command of the rulebook is secondary. -- Dave Eisen ""To succeed in the world, it is not dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU enough to be stupid, you must also Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644 be well-mannered."" --- Voltaire Home: (415) 321-5154 " 2721,6,"From: nicolas.nowinski@aquila.com (Nicolas Nowinski) Subject: 14.4k Modem ZOOM Distribution: world Organization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344 Lines: 10 Here it is Zoom 14.4k FAX/DATA v.32bis modem. I have evreything only purchased in January. Will happily provide the Fax/Comm. software and BOX and manuals. I am selling this for ONLY $125+s/h COD. Nicolas Nowinski 703-435-9590 FEEL FREE TO CALL for quickest service. --- þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Yes you to can become a ASM programer for $1,000,000+S/h " 2722,17,"From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Lines: 33 Anas Omran writes in his earlier posting: > > >A high rank Israeli officer was killed during a clash whith a Hamas ...and then his ""fantasy"" begins... >Mujahid. The terrorist Israelis chased and killed a young Mujahid >using anti-tank missiles. The terrorist zionists cut the Mujahid's >body into small pieces to the extend that his body was not recognized. >At leat ten houses were destroyed by these atni-tank missiles. > > >--- >Anas Omran > > > This clearly is a ""fantastic"" story, Anas! I am very curious as to who (or what) your sources are for this grossly exaggerated account (if not, blatant lie). It surprises me that this ""story"" has not yet made it to the front pages of the major newspapers (which love to make the State of Israel look as evil as humanly possible)! Such a story would be ""eaten up"" by some of the papers over here. So please explain to me why I have never seen nor heard of it before! - Believe me, I'm not expecting a reply because we both know where the story came from... YOUR DREAMS!!!! =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Michael Zion Magil IBM Canada Laboratory =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= " 2723,14,"From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 17 Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote: : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I throw around the $1 billion figure for that ""reward."" I suggest that you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which should be one of NASA's primary goals. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""Better. Faster. Cheaper."" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator " 2724,0,From: b711zbr@utarlg.uta.edu (JUNYAN WANG) Subject: Bible contradictions News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 2 I would like a list of Bible contadictions from those of you who dispite being free from Christianity are well versed in the Bible. 2725,9,"From: mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier) Subject: Re: Phillies sweep; Reds awful: Reds report 4-14 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 63 In article rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes: >Actually, I'm not sure that Philly won-- but they were ahead 2-7 in the bottom >of the eighth. I was going to post the box score but since Cinci was playing >so criminally bad, the pub I was at had to turn the game off. > >So here's what's up: > >Cincinnati had seven hits, all singles, by the end of the eighth. This makes >it six games with exactly ONE extra base hit. > >Cincinnati was 0-5 with runners in scoring position. >---Now if a team is going to be completely without power, they absolutely >HAVE to hit in clutch situations. > >Cincinnati starter Tom Browning pitched 4.1 innings, giving up 5 runs and 10 h its >while striking out 5. He was surely the loser tonight. >---Reds starters, while supposedly solid, have won only one game this year. >(Of course, the Reds have only won two...) > >Clean-up batter Sabo went 0-4. Besides yesterday's homer, he's SUCKED at the plate. > >Dibble may not actually return Friday. This may not mean anything since Cinci may >not find themselves in a save situation for a while... > >Speaking of which, The Reds have ha exactly one lead this week... for one-and- >a-half innings after Chris' dinger on Tuesday. > >Manager Tony Perez says the Reds are just not swinging the bat well right now. >---Good call, Doggie. Well, there's a big difference between ""just not swinging the bat well"" and what the Reds are doing at the plate....UUUGGGHHHH!!!!! A Reds fan on the verge of a nervous breakdown.... --Mike ""Why is it that the prognosis on Kevin Mitchell is 'Out 2-3 days' no matter what day you read it???"" -Gary Burbank ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've told you before and I'll tell you again. The strong survive and the weak disappear. We do not intend to disappear. ---Jimmy Hoffa mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Cynically yours, > > >RStimets " 2726,6,"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Sams comic sale!! Low prices!!! READ!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 375 OK. Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions). These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable). If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want. The price for each issue is shown beside each comic. First come, first served!!! There is no more bidding. Meet my price and it is yours. I can be reached at this email address: 02106@chopin.udel.edu or 02106@ravel.udel.edu or 02106@bach.udel.edu or 02106@brahms.udel.edu NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!! LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!! Shipping is $2 for 1-3 comics. For more than 3, the price will be determined by the volume of the purchase (I may have to use a big heavy box for large orders which costs more to mail). For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!! All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!) Here is the list: Incredible Hulk 156 (vs another Hulk) $3 195 $2 196 $2 246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1 248 $1 249 $1 250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5 255 (vs Thor) $1 279 $1 300 $2 312 $2 313 $1 316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1 347 $1 348 $1 350 (vs Thing) $2 354 $1 358 $1 360 $1 362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2 364 $1 365 $1 366 $1 379 (1 copy) $5 Punisher 50 $1 57 $2 Punisher War Journal 29 (Ghost Rider) $2 30 (Ghost Rider) $2 Punisher Armory 1 $4 2 $2 Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint) 1 $1 Ghost Rider (old series) 37 $3 43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3 77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each Ghost Rider (new series) 15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5 15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3 Web of Spiderman 56 (2 copies) $2 each 60 $3 69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 71 $1 72 $1 78 $1 Deadly Foes of Spiderman 1 (2 copies) $2 each 2 $2 3 $2 Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2 Amazing Spiderman 350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2 Spiderman (1990) 1 (silver, not bagged) $4 6 $3 7 $3 8 (2 copies) $2 each 9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2 10 $2 11 $1 13 $5 16 $1 New Warriors 1 (gold cover) $2 8 $4 10 $2 11 $1 12 $1 13 $1 14 (w/ Darkhawk) $1 15 $1 Superman Man of Steel #1 $2 Superman (new) 53 (2 copies) $1 each 55 $1 56 $1 Adventures of Superman 479 $1 Annual #3 $1 Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Action Comics #666 $1 Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1 Batman 465 (Robin returns) $2 466 $1 467 $1 Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3 Captain America 230 (vs Hulk) $2 257 (vs Hulk) $1 Armegedon 2001 1 $4 2 $2 Foolkiller #1 $2 Infinity Gauntlet 1 $6 4 $3 5 $3 Double Dragon #1 $1 Deathlok (series) 2 $1 Transformers #80 (last issue) $2 Wonder Man 1 $1 2 $1 Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2 The Comet #1 $1 Legend of the Shield #1 $1 Justice Society of America 1 $1 2 $1 3 $1 4 $1 Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5 Robin 1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3 1 (3rd print) $1 5 (6 copies) $1 each Guardians of the Galaxy 1 $6 2 $3 3 $2 4 $2 5 $2 6 $2 7 $2 8 $2 9 (2 copies) $3 each 10 $2 11 $2 12 $1 13 $3 14 $3 15 $1 16 $1 17 $1 18 (2 copies) $2 each Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7 DarkHawk 1 (3 copies) $8 each 2 (2 copies) $6 each 3 $5 4 $4 5 $4 6 $3 7 $2 8 $2 9 $3 10 $1 Thor 246 $1 428 $1 429 (vs Juggernaut) $2 430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1 431 $1 432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each 433 (new Thor) $2 Annual #16 $1 What if.... 13 $1 23 $1 25 $2 26 $1 Alpha Flight 29 $1 51 $6 53 $6 94 (vs Fant. 4) $1 New Mutants 22 $2 100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each 100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4 Flash (new) 43 $1 48 $1 49 $1 50 $2 51 $1 Annual #4 $1 X-Men (new) 1 (all 5 covers) $1 each but $2 for magneto foldout cover Uncanny X-Men 191 $3 215 $2 255 (2 copies) $2 each 258 $6 268 (1 sold,1 copy left!, Lee reg artist) $10 275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6 275 (gold 2nd print) $3 276 $3 277 $3 278 $2 279 $2 280 $2 281 $3 282 $4 283 $6 Defenders 52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2 Fantastic Four 347 $4 348 $2 349 (3 copies) $2 each Wolverine 11 $3 20 $2 41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each 42 $4 43 $3 Silver Surfer (1987) 1 $6 2 $3 3 $3 4 $3 5 $2 6 $2 8 $2 22 $2 24 $2 32 $2 49 $2 50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6 51 $2 52 $2 53 $1 54 $1 55 $1 56 $1 58 $2 59 $2 Avengers 326 $3 328 (origin of Rage) $3 X-Factor 40 $6 67 $3 68 $6 71 $3 73 $1 Quasar 21 $1 22 $1 23 $1 24 $1 Green Lantern (1990) 3 $2 9 (2 copies) $1 each 10 $1 11 $1 12 $1 Toxic Avenger 1 (3 copies) $1 each 2 $1 Sleepwalker 1 (3 copies) $2 each 3 $1 7 $1 Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each X-Force 1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4 1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3 2 $2 3 $1 4 $1 NFL Superpro 1 $1 Dr. Strange #31 $1 Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Send all bids and comments to 02106@chopin.udel.edu Thanks Sam (the ""ex"" comic book collector) College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware " 2727,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 30 joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: > >I'm curious to know what purpose people think these lists serve. >Lists like this seem to value quantity over quality, an ""argument >from article length."" And the list you have here is of poorer >quality than most. I agree, which is why I've asked for help with it. The reason I'm working on this list is because I've recently had one too many Christians tell me ""the Bible contains no contradictions whatsoever."" They believe that it's true, and that it describes reality perfectly, and even predicts history before it happens. Before I can carry on any sort of meaningful conversation with these people, I've got to SHOW them, with concrete evidence, that the Bible is not nearly as airtight as they thought. I hope to do that with this list. Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat denials. I've never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are indeed two different accounts of creation. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 2728,10,"From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NH Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 24 : you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even ""Rexi"" in his prime was more : of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right, : although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf. : I think that the NY management made a mistake, and remember how Edmonton called Reksa in the middle of the season to win the cup ? Why did they call him? : Yeah, we've had a tendency to beat ourselves in the past. I almost knifed my : brother in anger when Sweden scored two in the final minute of the WC : semifinals back in 1986:-) Or what about the three goals Antero Kivela let in : with five minutes to go against the Russkies in Lake Placid'80? Ugh . . . O.K., that was BAD luck. If Penguins have the same kind of luck this year in the playoffs, they'll never win the cup. They are still the best team. -- *********************************************************************** * 'Howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl* * howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh' * * -Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz * *********************************************************************** -Marko Poutiainen mep@phoenix.oulu.fi " 2729,1,"From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 22 rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: > Hi Netters, > > I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle > some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > > Can you please offer some recommendations? It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source. Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be fast. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org " 2730,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au |> What the world needs is a meter that won't let you change ranges or |> turn it on/off with a lead stuck in the amps jack - a little bit of |> clever plastic detailing would take care of this and make the world |> safer for electricans, anyway. |> Not that I've ever put a meter on the wrong range into a live |> circuit, no, not me...not more than a dozen times, anyway.... |> Bill |> |> |> bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |> The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 The Fluke 87 beeps at you if you try to take it out of a current measuring range while there is still a lead plugged in to the current sense socket. ... this should solve your problem - unless you are in a noisy environment. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2731,1,"From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) Subject: Removing Distortion From Bitmapped Drawings? Organization: SCTC Lines: 47 Let's say you have a scanned image of a line drawing; in this case a boat, but it could be anything. On the drawing you have a set of reference points whose true x,y positions are known. Now you digitize the drawing manually (in this case, using Yaron Danon's excellent Digitize program). That is, you use a program which converts cursor positions to x,y and saves those values when you click the mouse. Upon digitizing you notice that the reference point values that come out of the digitizing process differ in small but significant ways from the known true values. This is understandable because the scanned drawing is a reproduction of the original and there are successive sources of distortion such as differential expansion and contraction of paper, errors introduced in the printing process, scanner errors and what have you. The errors are not uniform over the entire drawing, so ""global"" adjustments such as stretching/contracting uniformly over x or y, or rotating the whole drawing, are not satisfactory. So the question is: does any kind soul know of an algorithm for removing such distortion? In particular, if I have three sets of points Reference(x,y) (the known true values) DistortedReference(x,y) (the same points, with known errors) DistortedData(x,y) (other points, with unknown errors) what function of Reference and Distorted could I apply to DistortedData to remove the errors. I suspect the problem could be solved by treating the distorted reference points as resulting from the projection of a ""bumpy"" 3d surface, solving for the surface and then ""flattening"" it to remove the errors in the other data points. Any kind and informed soul out there have any ideas, or better yet, pointers to treatments of the same or similar problems? Thanks, Earl " 2732,8,"From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest) Subject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation! Summary: a sort of bi-monthly not really automated announcement Originator: hogreq@hog.thinkage.on.ca Keywords: digests, lists, harley-davidson, hogaholics Supersedes: <93mar09-hog-announce@hog.thinkage.on.ca> Organization: Thinkage Ltd. Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:00:00 GMT Lines: 36 Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle, politics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it, may subscribe by sending a request to: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca or uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request *** * Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full * Email address. Do not RELY on the header ""From:"" field being useful to me. * * This is not an automated ""listserv"" facility. Do not expect instant * gratification. *** The list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day. Members of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server. Server access is restricted to list subscribers only. FTP access ""real soon"". Other motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me), these addresses may or may not be current: 2-stroke: 2strokes-request@microunity.com Dirt: dirt-request@zygot.ati.com European: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com Racing: race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com Wet Leather: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com --- It climbs the hills like a Matchless 'cause my Honda's built really light... -Brian Wilson (Honda Honda) " 2733,3,"Subject: Netware Server 286A and SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a serialisation From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 60 Facts: ===== - A Netware Server 286A was roughly moved to a new location and left powered down for three months. - From memory it has an 80 MB hard drive. - Manuals and original disks are for SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a - When powered up, the CMOS was wiped. A technician examined it and pronounced the disk drive unusable. My investigations indicate that drive C is a type 27 (1024 cylinders, 9 sides). When CMOS set this way, COMPSURF runs happily, with 13 bad blocks. I use PREPARE to Hotfix the one internal drive. Install will proceed ""successfully"", but when I try to boot the server, it reports that the software is not serialised for this hardware. Internal examination indicates that the keycard is present, and there is one disk drive (or at least one large single unit). Attempts to configure a second drive in CMOS result in drive not ready errors. Questions: ========= The software is Netware 286 Level II and I can see burnt on to the screen SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a. However, to configure netware for level II (mirrored or duplexed disks) requires a second disk, yes? So how is the Novell Server 286A normally configured? 1. Can I install SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a as Level I, or is this what is causing my serialisation error? 2. Is the Novell Server 286A normally equipped with two hard drives, one of which has failed? 3. Would this mean I can not install the network software because it will not be serialised for this hardware with a failed drive? 4. What else can cause a serialisation error? 5. What happens if the keycard fails? 6. Am I doing something wrong? Can someone knowledgeable offer some comments and guides. Thanks for your time. Apology: ======= I appreciate that I have posted this request somewhat widely. As I'm dealing with somewhat archaic hardware and software I'm hoping that by casting my net further, I'm more likely to capture someone who has met this system before. I believe I can justify the groups to which I am posting. Please feel free to correct me if you feel this is an inappropriate place to post this. -- This posting is definitive. bljeghbe'chugh vaj blHegh. Wayne McDougall :: Keeper of the list of shows better than Star Trek(TM) :: Ask me about the Auckland Festival of Missions, 18-25 April, 1993 I always change my mind when new evidence is available. What method do you use? " 2734,5,"From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Subject: Re: XtShellStrings,XtStrings? Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr5.145635.16857@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> wilk@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Christian Wilk) writes: |> |> Hello, |> |> does somebody know the functions XtShellStrings and XtStrings? |> I haven't found them in any librarys not Xm, Xt, nor X11, and I need |> them to install a tool. |> |> Any hints greatly appreciated! Please reply via e-mail. They aren't functions, they are character arrays. The standard strings are either defined as string constants or character pointers into XtShellStrings and XtStrings determined by XTSTRINGDEFINES. Your libraries were compiled with this defined and your application with it undefined so simply recompile one or the other. It is probably worth adding -DXTSTRINGDEFINES to your CFLAGS. -- Michael Salmon #include #include #include Ericsson Telecom AB Stockholm " 2735,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 90 In article <1r21g2INNeah@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) >writes: >> In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu >(Andrew Betz) writes: >> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) >writes: >> >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >> >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. >> >> >> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever >> >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of >> >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" >> >> Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people >> come out with their hands up several weeks ago. >> >It didn't happen. And who is responsible for it not happening? Certainly not the children. Koresh was calling the shots. He was talking with his lawyer and the FBI. Since others were released safely, there is no sane reason for keeping the children inside the compound. >> >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally >> >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely >> >>scenarios. >> > >> >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating >> >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly >> >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. >> >> More than someone who would not release children from the compound. >> >Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. Not at all. Are you a Koresh worshiper? >> I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". >> I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in >> 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. > >Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you >to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. Thanks for my laugh of the day! Definitely a very silly supposition. >You should at least view the whole >documentary before you claim it as a source. I would if I could. The news show that showed the lengthy excerpts also had interviews with the filmmaker who made the documentary who basically confirmed what was shown in the excerpts from the time he spent at the compound in 1992. >> I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they >> bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are >> responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. > >Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? >I saw one place. I believe that this was reported by local radio reporters on site. A fire started in a three story tower at the same time as the two story window shown on the tv coverage. >> >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. >> >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is >> >>ludicrous. >> > >> >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to >> >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people >> >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? > >Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it >is the root cause of all the other suspicion. I thought about mentioning how Reagan and the military treated the press in Grenada and how that set the precedent, but decided it wasn't worthy of discussion. If the news reporter got shot, you can bet his family would sue the government for letting him into the danger area. The root cause of suspicion in my mind is why 100 people wouldn't flee a building that had numerous exits during the 30 minutes time it took to burn down. Or why didn't they flee hours earlier when the tear gas was first introduced? I can find no rational explanation for their behavior. -- " 2736,12,"From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) Subject: Re: Exploding TV! Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu Others said: # >... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? Naw, it was the penguin on TOP of the set that exploded... ;-} -- A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 " 2737,12,"From: borowski@spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 20 Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote: : My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was : wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to : construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember seeing : the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good : electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were. : : Thank you in advance. I remember watching a whole ""Mr. Wizzard"" program on this subject when I was a kid. The battery constructed on the program which made the biggest impression on me, and generated the most power, was made using a galvanized bucket (for the zinc) and a copper toilet tank float. The electrolyte was sauerkraut! Donald Borowski WA6OMI Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division ""Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."" -G.K. Chesterton " 2738,18,"Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 35 julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: |> In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: |> > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format |> > so popular] |> > |> >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: |> |> Who? Where? |> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other |> conservatives do as well. |> |> Julie |> DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to health for another go around. It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. Roger Collins ""If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want bread."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 2739,1,"From: srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) Subject: Surface normal orientations Article-I.D.: travis.1pscti$aqe Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.csd.harris.com Some rendering programs require that all surface normals point in the same direction. (ie: On a closed cube, all normals point outwards). You can use the points on the faces to determine the direction of the normal, by making sure that all points are either in clockwise or counter-clockwise order. How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a set of points, edges and faces? Say that you had a cube with all faces that have their normals facing outwards, except for one face. What's the best way to realize that face is ""flipped"", and should have it's points re-ordered? I thought I had a good way of telling this, but then realized that the algorithm I had would only tell you if you had points in clockwise order for a 2d polygon. I'd like something for 3d data. Any hints, tips, references would be appreciated. Steve -- Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith ------- These opinions are my own. " 2740,8,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Fat Boy versus ZX-11 (new math) Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 32 In article <1pimfd$cre@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes: >In article klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes: >>In <1993Apr1.130432.11009@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: >>>Manual Velcro, on the 31 Mar 93 09:19:29 +0200 wibbled: >>>: But 14 is greater than 11, or 180 is greater than 120, or ... >>>No! 10 is the best of all. >>No No No! >> It should be obvious that 8 is the best number by far. Last year 10 >>was hot but with the improvements to 8 this year there can be no >>question. > >Hell, my Dad used to have an old 5 that would beat out today's 8 without >breaking a sweat. > >(Well, in the twisties, anyway.) > >This year's 8 is just too cumbersome for practical use in anything other >than repeating decimals. > Remember the good old days, when Hexadecimals, and even Binaries were still legal? Sure, they smoked a little blue stuff out the pipes, but I had a hex 7 that could slaughter any decimal 10 on the road. Sigh, such nostalgia! Regards, Charles DoD0,001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 2741,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: RE: Does God love you? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 32 davem@bnr.ca (Dave Mielke) writes, > However, God's love is qualified. The Bible says: > > The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he > loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 15:9 > > For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of > the ungodly shall perish. Psalm 1:6 I am extremely uncomfortable with this way of phrasing it. God's love is unconditional, unqualified, unfathomable. We are capable of rejecting God's love but He never fails to love us. These verses do not show that God's love is qualified but rather that He is opposed to evil. I am uncomfortable with the tract in general because there seems to be an innappropriate emphasis on Hell. God deserves our love and worship because of who He is. I do not like the idea of frightening people into accepting Christ. I see evangelism as combining a way of living that shows God's love with putting into words and explaining that love. Preaching the Gospel without living the Gospel is no better than being a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. Here's a question: How many of you are Christians because you are afraid of going to Hell? How many are responding to God's love? Jayne Kulikauskas/jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 2742,16,"From: mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 74 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: > >Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > >CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I watched the CNN report and I never heard them report that the ATF started the fire. They did speculate that the type of CS gas might have _accidentaly_ started the fire. >the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The >lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear >gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From my understanding of the CNN report it was 6 HOURS after they started. >ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that >the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The track vehicle that I saw in the vicinity of the building where fire was first noticed looked more like an armored recovery vehicle (the type used to tow tanks of battle fields) and not an armored flame-thrower vehicle. >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day in Texas. It seems to me that it would be very poor planing to hope for a wood stove to ignite the ""napalm"" when the stove would probably not be in use. And I doubt that it would have taken 6 hours to ignite it. > >THIS IS MURDER! > >ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > >THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Right Clinton is in office. (Sorry I couldn't resist, please no flames :)) > >I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! > >God help us all. > > >PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! > > >W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a woman would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you were watching but it obviously was not the same one that I was watching or your tears seamed to have blured your hearing along with your eye sight. Please excuse any mispelled words as I am a product of the Arkansas education system which Slick Willie of the ""Double Bubba Ticket"" has so greately improved during his tenour as Governer of my great state (taking it from 49th in the nation in 1980 and allowing it to drop to 51st, how I don't know, and bringing it to 44st and back to either 48th or 49th in 1990--sorry I can't rember the source of these numbers but they can be found). Michael F. Rhein " 2743,17,"From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Serdar Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hey Serdar, What are you retarded? ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** " 2744,1,"From: gmt@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Gary McTaggart) Subject: 3d Animation Studio file format?? Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: beach.cis.ufl.edu Is the "".3ds"" file format for Autodesk's 3D Animation Studio available? Thanks, Gary (Please respond by email. I have a hell of a time keeping up with news!! :-) ) " 2745,8,"Subject: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) Organization: HOG HEAVEN X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu Lines: 31 What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs, opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and all went well with my New Hampshire State Inspection (meaning all my lights worked OK) until the dude produces a decibel meter and tells me about the new NH law about MC noise.....huh? sez I....and he has me start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB, and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna be a whole lotta seriously pissed off bikers round here when they go for inspection. *&%^*$%*^*%*& But hey, its a new experience! I have never really felt like a menace to society before! I parked, dismounted and walked in to my building with a slight swagger to my step, and a narrow lidded look... I sensed my faculty colleagues unease with my new intimidating status...and women's glances seemed to linger just a little longer....or perhaps that was my imagination.......*sigh* Now I need to install my new BUB pipes and single fire ignition....I wonder how I will do after that!? Russ Hughes '92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20) ""Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something as much as your motorcycle."" --Sonny Barger (as told to me by Ed Campbell, who has an old friend who was there at the time) " 2746,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Well thank you dennis for your as usual highly detailed and informative posting. The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be handled at kourou or Vandenberg? Now if it uses storables, then how long would it take for the russians to equip something at cape york? If Proton were launched from a western site, how would it compare to the T4/centaur? As i see it, it should lift very close to the T4. pat " 2747,2,"From: pcarmack@gimp.kpc.com (Phil Carmack) Subject: Re: ATI ultra pro Drivers? [bad ATI ultra] Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Lines: 39 In article <15APR199321275870@cvdv99.mayo.edu>, fisk@cvdv99.mayo.edu (Tom Fisk | 2D-337 STM | 5-4341) writes: |> In article , jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) writes... |> >Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI |> >GUP? |> >Thanks |> > |> The latest driver release is 59 and can be found at ftp.cica.indiana.edu |> in the pub/pc/win3/... directory structure as pro59.zip. I checked with ATI's |> BBS last nite and there were no releases past 59. |> |> We have the ATI Local Bus card and I noticed that I get garbage around the |> edges of a window when I move it. Has anybody else noticed this also? I have the local bus card also, and don't have any such problems with it now, but this is the second card I've gotten - the first card didn't work in VGA mode correctly. Maybe they still have some quality control problems. I would suggest checking with ATI (I went through the vendor I bought the card from since the problem showed up immediately). I never was able to get through to ATI's technical support number. I sure like the way the card performs though. I have the 2MB ATI ultra pro - local bus, and it is fast even in 1024x768x16bpp mode. Cheers, Phil |> |> Tom. |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> Thomas B. Fisk +----------------------------+ Internet: fisk@mayo.edu |> Mayo Clinic | If you don't know where | Voice: (507) 255-4341 |> 200 First Street SW | you're going you'll never | FAX: (507) 255-5484 |> Mail Stop 2D-337 STM | get there. | |> Rochester, MN 55905 +----------------------------+ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Philip Carmack | pcarmack@kpc.com (408)987-3336 Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc. | " 2748,1,"From: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) Subject: Looking for WMF Converter Keywords: WMF, windowsmetafile Nntp-Posting-Host: couloir Reply-To: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Lines: 13 I'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows Meta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use outside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but not a requirement. Please reply to the address below. David Buchholz Internet: buck@ileaf.com Product Manager uucp: uunet!leafusa!buck Interleaf, Inc. voice: 617.290.4990 x-3252 " 2749,19,"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: nin Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Lines: 29 In article <1qjclt$nh7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > [...] > > [as I recall, I first entered the fray on this matter in response to > an assertion by Simon Clippingdale that morality was relative. Oops! Quite right. I got so busy that I saved Frank's last post back then, intending to respond when I could, and I sort of forgot. I'll try to do it soon if anyone's still interested, and probably even if they're not. > Is he therefore trying to sell something? I don't think so. ] Well, yes, maybe I am. I'm trying to have people buy and take on my opinions, thus causing said opinions to spread in time-honoured memetic virus mode until the world is a veritable paradise. So how about it, folks? As they say over here, You Know It Makes Sense. > Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' > odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon Cheers Simon -- Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. " 2750,13,"From: bed@intacc.uucp (Deb Waddington) Subject: INFO NEEDED: Gaucher's Disease Distribution: Everywhere Expires: 01 Jun 93 Reply-To: bed@intacc.UUCP (Deb Waddington) Organization: Matrix Artists' Network Lines: 33 I have a 42 yr old male friend, misdiagnosed as having osteopporosis for two years, who recently found out that his illness is the rare Gaucher's disease. Gaucher's disease symptoms include: brittle bones (he lost 9 inches off his hieght); enlarged liver and spleen; internal bleeding; and fatigue (all the time). The problem (in Type 1) is attributed to a genetic mutation where there is a lack of the enzyme glucocerebroside in macrophages so the cells swell up. This will eventually cause death. Enyzme replacement therapy has been successfully developed and approved by the FDA in the last few years so that those patients administered with this drug (called Ceredase) report a remarkable improvement in their condition. Ceredase, which is manufactured by biotech biggy company--Genzyme--costs the patient $380,000 per year. Gaucher's disease has justifyably been called ""the most expensive disease in the world"". NEED INFO: I have researched Gaucher's disease at the library but am relying on netlanders to provide me with any additional information: **news, stories, reports **people you know with this disease **ideas, articles about Genzyme Corp, how to get a hold of enough money to buy some, programs available to help with costs. **Basically ANY HELP YOU CAN OFFER Thanks so very much! Deborah " 2751,13,"From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 66 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: >Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is >reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock >in other people. >Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other >ingredients in it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of >ingredients they don't normally consume, one of which happens to be >MSG, do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to >the MSG? ARGHHHHHHHHHh READ THE MEMOS!!!! I said that I PERSONALLY had other people order the EXACT SAME FOOD at TWO DIFFERENT TIMES from the SAME RESTAURANT and the people that ordered the food for me did NOT TELL ME which time the MSG was in the food and which time it was not in the food. ONE TIME I HAD A REACTION ONE TIME I DID NOT THE REACTION CAME THE TIME THE MSG WAS IN THE FOOD THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE SAME RESTAURANT - SAME INGREDIENTS!!! >Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't >normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately >conclude that any negative reaction is to the MSG? I eat lots of Chinese food - I LOVE Chinese food. I've just learned the following IF I get food at one of the restaurants that DOES NOT USE MSG or IF I prepare the food myself without MSG or IF I order the food from a restaurant that will hold the MSG (and I never get soup unless it's from a restaurant that cooks without the MSG) I DO NOT GET A REACTION!!!! OKAY DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! I GET A REACTION FROM MSG I DO NOT GET A REACTION WHEN THERE IS NO MSG If you're having trouble understand this, please tell me which of the words you do not understand and I'll look them up in the dictionary for you. -- The great secret of successful marriage is to treat all disasters as incidents and none of the incidents as disasters. -- Harold Nicholson Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois " 2752,17,"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 34 In a previous article, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) says: >today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what >it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a >base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one >cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a >number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982). Oh yeah, Israel was really ready to ""expand its borders"" on the holiest day of the year (Yom Kippur) when the Arabs attacked in 1973. Oh wait, you chose to omit that war...perhaps because it 100% supports the exact OPPOSITE to the point you are trying to make? I don't think that it's because it was the war that hit Israel the hardest. Also, in 1967 it was Egypt, not Israel who kicked out the UN force. In 1948 it was the Arabs who refused to accept the existance of Israel BASED ON THE BORDERS SET BY THE UNITED NATIONS. In 1956, Egypt closed off the Red Sea to Israeli shipping, a clear antagonistic act. And in 1982 the attack was a response to years of constant shelling by terrorist organizations from the Golan Heights. Children were being murdered all the time by terrorists and Israel finally retaliated. Nowhere do I see a war that Israel started so that the borders could be expanded. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | " 2753,4,"From: da228@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles G. Williams) Subject: Has anyone had problems with IBM drives in their machines? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 24 Reply-To: da228@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles G. Williams) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Hi, The subject line says it all. My system acts weird at times. All of a sudden the system will be corrupt, boot blocks will get chewed, etc. This was a really big problem for a while. I couldn't even format my drive properly. I installed HDT's driver and things got better. Now all I have to do is reinstall the system. Could an incompatibility exist between it and a Quantum external drive. I'm looking for a pure hardware solution. It's not a virus, bad software, etc. Could I have a bad SCSI cable? Or is the IBM (WDS-80) just a screwey drive? Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Williams ==> CS Intern ==> Pacific Northwest Laboratories da228@cleveland.freenet.edu cg_williams@ccmail.pnl.gov " 2754,18,"From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) Subject: Re: New Environmental Group Launches. In-Reply-To: eoneill@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Sun, 4 Apr 93 23:02:33 GMT Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Lines: 17 *Teddy O'Neill-Creature with furry Hobbit feet from Bath UK*, a sentimental fool, posts: With the force of a world-wide youth movement, it ought to be possible to establish a coordinated global program to accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty year period. Evidently there are no open questions, either scientific or about how people prefer to live. -- John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305 * He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense. " 2755,3,"From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) Subject: Re: warranty extension by credit company: applies to the phurchase of computer? Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina Lines: 36 In article , staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes: |> HUAYONG YANG (yang@titan.ucs.umass.edu) wrote: |> : Most, if not all, credit card companies offer to double the warranty up |> : to one year, namely, if you make a purchase by a credit card, you get |> : additional warranty up to one year. Does it apply to the purchase of |> : computers? I wonder if anyone out there has used it. Is there any catch? |> : Thanks in advance. |> |> I am just about to post the results of my big computer purchase. One |> of the key points was the ability to use my American Express card. I |> read the fine print between double warranty policies of Amex and Citibank |> VISA. Sure, both will allow you double warranty on computers, but Citibank |> has a maximum claim of $250.00. Could you imagine trying to get your |> monitor or mother board fixed for $250.00? Amex has NO limit on claims. |> |> Remember, if you use Amex, you must either send a copy of the warranty info |> to them in 30 days from purchase, or you must call them to pre-register and |> then send them the paperwork within 90 days of purchase (my pre-register |> pak arrived today). Citibank VISA requires no pre-registration. |> |> --Ken |> I just talked to a rep for my AT&T mastercard regarding this: There is no maximum claim, and you only have to notify them of the warranty when the item needs repair. If it can't be repaired, you get the amount you paid for it. Curiously though, the AT&T Gold mastercard has a limit of $1000 on claims. Definitely not upgrading to that card...:) -Bryan -- Bryan Welch Amateur Radio: N0SFG Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb " 2756,4,"From: smith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith) Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? Organization: Australian National University Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.22.65 In-reply-to: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 19:35:58 -0400 My Datadesk Mac 101E keyboard has similar problems. I have found that holding down the RIGHT-HAND shift key at startup will work (disable extensions), but the left-hand shift key won't (which is unfortunate, since the left one is the one I instinctively reach for). Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of command-option for desktop rebuilds. I *is* irritating. Cheers, Michael. -- ----------------------------/|-|--|-|--|------Michael-Smith------------------- smith@pell.anu.edu.au /_| |\ | | | Mathematics Research Section --------------------------/--|-|-\|-|_/|------Australian-National-University-- " 2757,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 31 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: Other people have commented on most of this swill, I figured I'd add a few comments of my own. >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. Hong Kong, and Cairo both have higher population densities. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. There is no fundamental right to work in another country. And the closing of the strip is not a punishment, it is a security measure to stop people from stabbing Israelis. >The only help given to Gazans by Israeli >Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. Dozens minus one, since one of them was stabbed to death a few days ago. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 2758,18,"From: tak@leland.Stanford.EDU (David William Budd) Subject: Re: Rodney King Trial, Civil Rights Violations, Double Jeopardy Distribution: us Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 53 In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >In <1993Apr2.182942.22445@husc3.harvard.edu> spanagel@husc11.harvard.edu (David Spanagel) writes: > >|Furthermore, what are the specific charges against the four LAPD officers? >|Which civil rights or laws are they accused of violating? > >I believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned. I don't think that this is accurate. I believe, and could be wrong, that there IS a specific right allegedly to have been violated, like the 14th or due process or whatever. >|What about double jeopardy? Has there been any concern that a verdict >|against Koon, et al. might be overturned upon appeal because they're being tried >|again for the same actions? (I thought I heard something on the news about >|this.) > >The SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in >essence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply. > >(If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and >county governments?) > >This mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its >opposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their >opposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope >for the ACLU after all. >-- Double jeopardy does not apply, but not for the reasons you quote. Double jeopardy states that a person may not be tried twice on the same charge. However, the police are not on trial for the crime of excessive force or assault. They are NOW on trial for the DIFFERENT crime of violating Mr. King's civil rights. AS for the city and county or state trying you more than once, it most likely will not happen. This is because cities and states have separate laws governing behaviour. For example, in some states, it is an offence to carry marijuana, but not a city offence. Also, I think murder is against federal, but not some state laws. =============================================================================== ! \ ! 1-------1 ! \ 1_______1 __1__ ""And my mind was filled with wonder, ! \ 1_______1 / ____1____ when the evening headlines read: ! ! \ / / 1__|_|__1 'Richard Cory went home last night, ! ! \/ / --------- and put a bullet through his head.'"" ! / \/ | | \ \ | / \____/| " 2759,4,From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) Subject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on... Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 7 I've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first happened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately... T.J. Pilon pilon@rpi.edu 2760,17,"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 30 In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >of those files. >So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. >2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? Paranoia? >3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an > additional information should he send them ? The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already have them. > > >Gideon Ehrlich -anwar " 2761,11,"From: sean@sdg.dra.com Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO Lines: 22 In article , vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes: > In article , strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >> Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop >> forecasts from leaking prematurely. > > Sheesh! Remember the big scandal a year or two (or 3?) ago about > exactly such leaks? My choice for the escow house would be the Smithsonian, and someplace on the west coast. My biggest concern isn't that the escrow house could be compromised (it will be), but the fact it has been compromised will be kept secret. The keys could be kept under glass, with 24-hour C-SPAN coverage. If you thought your key had been stolen just turn on the cable, and wait until the roving camera reachs the musuem case with your key. Or if you think the C-SPAN satellite has been compromised, take a tour of the Smithsonian yourself, and view the seal on your key. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100 " 2762,15,"From: hall@vice.ico.tek.com (Hal F Lillywhite) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 106 {I sent in something on this before but I believe it got lost in the weekend accident the moderator described. This is an improved version anyway so no loss the first time. HL} The standard work on detecting forgeries of ancient documents is probably the writing of Friedrich Blass, ""Hermeneutrik und Kritik,"" _Einleitende und Hilfsdisziplinen_, vol 1 of _Handbuch der Klassischen Altertums- wissenshaft_ (Noerdlingen: Beck, 1886). Portions of this are described in Nibley, _The Prophetic Book op Mormon_, pp 219-242 (SLC: Deseret Book, 1989). (If you want to attempt reading this be forewarned. Nibley describes Blass as a typical German scholar who claims little knowledge of his subject, then proceeds to exhaust both the subject and the reader.) Nibley's extract from Blass's work is in the form of ""rules for forgers."" It makes interesting reading. I confess that I have not read Blass's work, only Nibley's extract thereof. My German falls far short of what would be required and as far as I know there is no English translation available. However, I believe the techniques he describes are known widely enough that any competent classical scholar could examine a purportedly ancient document and at least determine if it is consistent with what one would expect of a genuine document of that time frame. We will not be able to prove who wrote it but at least we should be able to determine with reasonable confidence if it is from that time and culture or is a later forgery. Actually there are 2 types of purportedly ancient documents: 1. Alleged actual holographs or early copies thereof. For example the Dead Sea Scrolls. These can be tested by various scientific means to determine the age of the paper, inks, and objects found with them. This can provide a pretty clear dating of the actual physical objects. 2. Documents claiming to be copies of ancient works although the copy itself may be much more recent. For example we might find a document which monks in a monastary claim is a copy of something from centuries ago (perhaps even having been through several generations of copists). This is more of a problem but can still be tested (although the test is not likely to be simple). We cannot expect a test of the age of the physical objects to tell us much so we must confine our testing to the text itself. It is important to remember that none of these tests can tell us if the document is really what it claims to be. They can only date the document and identify its culture of origin. For example I've heard of a letter supposed to have been written by Jesus himself to a king in what is now Iraq. If this document were to actually turn up scholars could date the paper and ink (assuming they have the holograph). They could check the language, content and writing style to see if they are consistent with what would be expected of a Palestinian Jew of that time. However even if all test results were positive there is no way to determine if Jesus himself actually wrote it. We would know what time and culture it came from but (barring a known sample of Jesus handwriting or other clues for comparison) scholarship must stop there. There is seldom any way to determine who the actual author was. As I say, I'm no expert on Blas's work. I do remember some of the tests which can be applied to alleged copies of ancient works. Specifically we might ask: 1. Is the document internally consistent? Does it contradict itself? If the work it is short it would be relatively easy to maintain internal consistency, even if it is a forgery. The longer the forgery the more difficult it is to maintain consistency. For this reason most successful forgers stick to short documents. 2. Is it consistent with the history and geography of the time? Again a short, non-specific work might not be testable but if the writing is of any significant length no latter-day forger would be able to escape detection. Here we look for the minor, inconspicuous things which someone from that culture would get right without even thinking about it but which a later forger would find too numerous and trivial to check. The devil is in the details. 3. What about the literary style of the work, figures of speech etc. Any ancient writer would almost certainly speak in ways that seem strange to us. Are there any such odd phrases in this book? If so do they fit in with the culture? Of course there are complications if the document has been translated, or possibly even if somebody just updated language when he copied it. A few cases of language not from the culture claimed may be allowed in recent copies. They cause problems and reduce certainty to be sure but don't necessarily prove forgery. These tests can be quite effective (given enough material to work with) but they are not easy. They require the skills of the historian, the linguist, the anthropologist etc. The questions to ask are, ""Is every aspect of this document consistent with what we know about the culture of claimed origin?"" If there are things which don't fit how significant are they? Are problem areas due to our lack of knowledge, later changes by copists or are they really significant? There will often be some ambiguity since we never know everything about the culture. The end result of any such testing is occasionally certain (particularly in the case of holographs or other ancient copies). However often it may just be a probability or an indication that the document (or maybe parts of it) is probably authentic (or sometimes maybe other parts are later additions). This is often unsettling to a generation raised on TV where all problems are solved in 30 to 60 minutes with time out for commercials. It is, however, the real world and what scholarship has to offer. " 2763,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 50 In article <1qvv7u$kc1@morrow.stanford.edu> salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) writes: ... > I think that the consensus will become that FBI/ATF muffed it, >not merely because they walked into an ambush on Feb 28, and Koresh >got his prophesy today, against their stated intentions, but because >they played right into polarizing the situation and not diffusing >it. > > Koresh had set up all the conditions of a classic cult >confrontation and had stated publically what the outcome would become. Before or after his kids were shot? >The government upped the ante and parcipitated the conclusion today. >It does seem that the fires were set from within the compound by the >members of the group and not caused by the CS gas or the way it was >delivered. Let the subsequent investigation shed light on that. Suppose Then why make the comment? >that the government had used pyrotechnics and started the fire. The >Dividians still had the decision to stay or leave. They never intended As did the Jews against the Nazis in WW II: do what I say or die. >to leave. > >>The building burns, almost everyone dies. It probably doesn't bother >>you much, but it bothers many other people.....most of whom dont believe >>particularly in Koresh or his message. ALl humans, I hope. > > Yes, the finger pointing has begun. > >> Four ATF agents and 90 branch Davidians are now dead because of >>crazy tactics on the part of the ATF and FBI. > > Yeah, they blew it. They were being too ""rational"" in a >situation that was not your ordianry criminal game. They haven't learned >that much from Jonestown, or The Move House, or the SLA shootout. Or perhaps they have: kill first, blame the dead ones, destroy all the evidence. > royc " 2764,4,"From: Cameron Lewis Subject: Re: Video Resolution Switching Organization: Aeronautical Research Laboratory, DSTO Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: who.aod.dsto.gov.au X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 23:23:23 GMT In article John Shepardson, John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu writes: >As the author of ""DPI on the Fry"" I can tell you that there is no way for a >graphics card to know what resolution its connected monitor will actually >support. That's why we have these silly cables. The cable just identifies >that monitor as supporting a given resolution. > >Therefore the software will support any multisync monitor. I've heard that >radius has a similar program for the quadra. Is this software available either commercially or public domain? If so where? Cameron Lewis email: lewis@tanelorn.aod.dsto.gov.au Air Operations Division (Melb.) gbb: +61 3 647 7729 Aeronautical Research Laboratory - D.S.T.O fax: +61 3 646 3433 506 Lorimer St, Fishermens Bend, Vic., Australia, 3207 " 2765,14,"From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!) Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 31 >In article victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: >>From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) >>Subject: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!) >>Date: Sun, 04 Apr 93 19:31:54 CDT >>Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan? >> >>All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at >>drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's >>orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info. >> >>Does anyone know anything more specific? >> As I heard the story, before Albert came up the the theory o'relativity and warped space, nobody could account for Mercury's orbit. It ran a little fast (I think) for simple Newtonian physics. With the success in finding Neptune to explain the odd movments of Uranus, it was postulated that there might be another inner planet to explain Mercury's orbit. It's unlikely anything bigger than an asteroid is closer to the sun than Mercury. I'm sure we would have spotted it by now. Perhaps some professionals can confirm that. /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | Heaven, n.: | | A place where the wicked cease from troubling you with talk | | of their own personal affairs, and the good listen with | | attention while you expound your own. | | Ambrose Bierce, ""The Devil's Dictionary"" | " 2766,3,"From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger) Subject: Booting from B drive Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: large X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 17 I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick for me.) Thanks, Davebo -- David Weisberger | Q: Mr. President, do you care to say any more about the | operational details of the airlift? djweisbe | THE PRESIDENT: No. @unix.amherst.edu | Q: How about explaining to the American people why it's | an important issue for the United States to undertake? | THE PRESIDENT: What? " 2767,16,"From: jfs@cco.caltech.edu (Johanes F. Swenberg) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle - Steve, It's nice that you find me laughable but I don't quite understand. Is it because you think my firearms clash with what I'm wearing, or that my NRA sticker isn't on straight? Please state your judgement! I find it sad that people won't accept the responsibility to defend themselves. And I laugh with the same contempt you have for me at the sheep who expect the government to protect them. >What he didn't realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck, and >showed it to our friends when we got back to Vancouver, Canada (where I'm from >originally). People were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a >sticker, and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the >first place! :) You and your friends sound like a bunch of smug intellectuals. >Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world >perceives you gun-nut morons. Oh, I guess you are. I'm still waiting for you all-knowing academic-likes to solve the worlds problems. Let us know when you have the answers or punch lines as this case may be. >The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national >eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the >border. So it's not a ""Yankee"" thing? Are Canadians actually as uncivilized as we Americans? >Hell, here in Britain, the cops don't even carry guns. Well if it's anything like here it wouldn't matter if they did; they wouldn't be able to use them. >Hell, as I recall, in People's Court, even Rusty carried a gun! Never >know, some plaintiff might go nuts. :) ) You shouldn't waste your time watching TV, Steve. It will corrupt your mind. > >Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes >against Brady and other evil ""Liberal media"" plots - you 're so damn funny! >You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of >why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling! Ditto to you, Self Righteous One. Lay your derogatory tirade on thick, Steve. Y'all can keep laughing and I'll keep feeling safe and secure. > >Steve Johanes " 2768,11,"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: I have seen the lobby, and it is us Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr21.163929.21149@eff.org> A. Charles Gross writes: >Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of >organization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate. > >As long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make >a call to action. Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on >those calls. I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is >working in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the >potential of the net for political action. > >Adam >* I speak for myself I second the motion. All in favor? BTW>> a few days ago, Charles Fee posted the names, addresses, and phone numbers (voice and fax) of almost all the 103rd congress's members. This info, along witha great number of cabinet men, etc... I captured it, as did many others, I am sure. We should single out a few of the people on the list, and bombard them with lobbying against the Clipper Chip, et al. -nate o---------------------------+======================================o | ""I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know."" | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | o---------------------------+======================================o " 2769,10,"From: westerhold@batgirl.rtp.dg.com () Subject: wanted: mail order hockey equipment Distribution: usa Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC. Lines: 11 Could anyone recommend a mail order distributor for hockey equipment. Thanks in Advance Wayne -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ < Wayne E. Westerhold wester@dg-rtp.dg.com > < Data General Corporation Research Triangle Park, NC > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ " 2770,10,"From: saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.spd.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 26 In rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. What?! White, yes. Well off, definitely not. Hockey season ticket owners have the lowest average income of any of the four major North American sports. And think of where the majority of hockey players come from. From a farm out in Boondock, Saskatchewan or Weedville, Alberta. >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city. >The insurance alone is a big enough barrier. The inner city isn't the only place that is poor. I think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is... no ICE to play on. Stace >-- >+===================================================================+ >| Rick Casares Silicon Graphics | >| cubfan@wrigley.corp.sgi.com 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd | >| ""Just wait till next year."" Mountain View, CA 94039 | >+===================================================================+ " 2771,12,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 13 You can get a *little* UV by putting a heavy UV filter (deep purple) in front of an ordinary flashlight bulb (the brightest you can get). My father used a setup like this in law enforcement work circa 1964. Good UV (""blacklight"") bulbs work like fluorescent bulbs. I'd proceed by getting a cheap battery-powered _fluorescent_ light, then going to an electrical supply house and finding a UV bulb that would fit it. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 2772,9,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: NO JOKE: ROCKIES HAVE ATTENDANCE RECORD!!!! Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <1993Apr2.184338.18205@dvorak.amd.com> twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes: > The highest single-game attendance was Game 5 of the 1959 World Series, > October 6, at the LA Coliseum. White Sox over Dodgers, 1-0. > > Gate? Officially 92,706. > > Largest regular-season game? 78,672, again in LA, for the first > game in the City of Angels -- Opening Day, April 18, 1958 (home opener, > anyway). > > The Rockies might really nail the record. > > The record attendance for a doubleheader is larger, but since dh's are > all but nonexistent nowadays, why bother listing it... Wasn't there an 85,000 New York at Cleveland game in the late 40's? jhon rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu prediction for 1993: Marlins: 70 wins, Rockies: 50 wins " 2773,8,"From: mikej@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Mike Johnson) Subject: Re: Paris-Dakar BMW touring??? Nntp-Posting-Host: mikej.mentorg.com Organization: Mentor Graphics X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 8 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- mike_johnson@mentorg.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mentor Graphics | 8005 SW Boeckman Rd | Software Support Corporation | Wilsonville, OR 97070-7777 | Framework Products Division _____________________________________________________________________________ " 2774,10,"From: boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) Subject: ABC: The Real Thing? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 7 Ok, it seems that everyone else in canada was treated to the REAL ABC telecast while only the people on ROGERS TV in Surrey BC were treated to two channels with Don ""I stink as a Commentator"" Whitman doing the play-by-play. The GodFather. " 2775,12,"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Food Dehydrators Organization: your service Lines: 10 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com > Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing > all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat, > or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at? > My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan > and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together > for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old? ---------- Yeah, but 1000 years ago, you couldn't buy it from a guy with sprayed-on hair! " 2776,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody Lines: 29 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from >the people on the net. > >Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You >give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their >action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is >what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you >collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there >(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police officer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if you were perfectly justified you're likely in for a great deal of hassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.) >What kind >of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would >be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and >it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone >saw you and you were caught? It's one of those ""by State"" things, pretty much. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 2777,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: flb@flb.optiplan.fi's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:01:38 GMT In article flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") writes: From: ""Phil G. Fraering"" > Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, [..] > please try to remember that there are more human activities than > those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the > Priesthood. Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may freely blare its presence in the evening twilight .. The Priesthood has never quite forgiven the merchants (aka Profiting Caste [sic]) for their rise to power, has it? ;-) * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * Ya know... you penguin types offend me. ... * * My Gosh... Life is offensive!! * * Offensensitivity. - BB 1984 * " 2778,6,"From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: >>> Technical Books for sale (X/UNIX/C/C++/OS/DB/Netwk...) REPOST <<< Organization: NCSU Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 29 My friends and I have a buch of books for sale. They are not being used due to change of job, loss of interest etc. Rather than letting them gather dust, we would like to pass them on to others who may use them (of course at a price :-) Topics Include: - C/C++/Other Programming Languages - UNIX/DOS/OS2/Windows/Other Operating System topics (General) - X/Motif/OLIT/Xwin - Networking and Digital Signal Processing - Computer Graphics - Microprocessors and Computer Architecture - Math - Software Engineering/Algorithms/Software Testing - Databases - Expert Systems The list is long and rather than posting it here I will email it by request. I am going to keep the list updated and so will respond to all requests (lucky me :-) If you are interested drop me a line ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== " 2779,2,"From: ajacobs@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew Jacobs) Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1 Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Distribution: usa Lines: 7 Thanks for the info. I assume that this is for MFC 1.0. Does anyone know if this will work with MFC 2.0, or what else needs to be done? Thanks. -- * * - Andy Jacobs * \_____/ " 2780,18,"From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: Who be Conservative on this..... Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr5.005204.29158@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes: >kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes: >>In article <1993Apr2.155820.16998@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes: >>> >>>The SC allows restrictions after 'viability' (a term never medically defined) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>Any physician who can't make a reasonable stab at determining whether a given >>fetus is viable or not is not qualified to perform an abortion. > >Kebbin shows that he does not know the difference between determining >the viability of an *individual* fetus, and providing the ""universally >accepted medical definition[s] of viability"" I was not discussing ""universal"" definitions in this post, Mark. Please refrain from dragging in irrelevancies. Do you agree with my statement above about physicians being unqualified if they can't determine viability? >>Since we know >>that there are SOME physicians out there who are qualified to perform >>abortions, then obviously SOME medical definition of ""viability"" is being >>employed. > >On an case by case basis, viability is relatively easy to determine. And that's good enough for the law, Mark. So why do you keep whining that viability ""isn't defined""? What purpose does your whining serve? - Kevin " 2781,7,"From: chris1@donner.cc.bellcore.com (ross,christina l) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Distribution: usa Keywords: bad drivers Lines: 44 In article <9595@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: > >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own > >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. > > Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned > group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority > of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit, > passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully > abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed > limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the > respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been > ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths > that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving > 55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group > that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it, > bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally > Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but, > there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of > this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of > the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass > you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane, > not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5. > And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the > auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY > to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give > members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at > your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills! > > Jit > > > > Of course you are a bunch of arrogant lawyers who know whats best for the rest of us. You are doing such a wonderful job with our judicial system, getting all the criminals off, I bow to your superior intellect. Not to mention the fees you collect from us poor slobs who get tickets from speeding State Police officers, so you can soak is when we go to court. I just love lawyer jokes! Don't you? C. " 2782,17,"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 24 In a previous article, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (M. Hasan AlHafez) says: >So the wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968 (Karama), 1978, and 1982 were >all started by Arabs. The wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1978 were definitely started by the Arabs. The war in 1982 was instigated by the Arabs who continually murdered Israeli children with their rocket attacks. Israel was only trying to stop this. Last what the heck are you talking about with ""1968 (Karama)""? There was no war in 1968! Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | " 2783,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 21 In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) writes: >>... I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU >>was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system... >>P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-) > >The rule for the designations is that if it says MC, that means it works >*exactly* the way the datasheet/book specifies. If it says XC, that means >there is at least one known bug. Often these bugs are small and obscure; >you might never run into them in practice. > XC units are often pre-production sample devices. Those are normally distributed for evaluation as freebies and are not guaranteed to meet every spec. >At least Motorola admits it, unlike certain other companies... Yep, that's for sure...that's one thing I like most about Motorola. aaron " 2784,1,"From: emarciniak@email.bony.com Subject: Image of pictures... Lines: 8 Organization: *** Hi there, I am looking for advice on software/hardware package for making, storing and processing of pictures. The ideal software would allow me to cahnge size of the picture, edit it ( it means add text below, above...) and the most important is it would have DOS command interface... Thank you in advance... emanuel marciniak the bank of new york.. " 2785,12,"From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Holes: practical questions, was - Philosophical Question Summary: How do we preferentially amplify holes instead of electrons? Keywords: holes electrons semi-conductors mobility Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Expires: Sun, 9 May 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 48 In article <12426@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes: >[...] >I agree. I come at this from nuclear physics, where one often discusses >particle-hole excitations and certain reactions have the effect of >applying an annihilation operator and creating a hole, and it is a >subtle question. The longer one works with them, the more real they >become. There are also quasi-particles, which raise the same sort >of question about how ""real"" the entity is. The phenomenon is most >certainly a real one. OK, I've asked this before, and with a new thread on these lines, I ask this again: 1: If a large hole current is run thru a resistor, will there be I^2 * R cooling instead of heating? 2: Can anyone design an amplifier that preferentially amplifies hole currents over normal electron currents? 3: what semiconductor materials have the highest ratio of hole mobility to electron mobility? (please quote actual test samples rather than estimates based on theory. Also, don't be limited to semiconductors: consider also insulators, resistors, dielectrics, piezo-electrics, conductors, magnets (metal, ceramic), magnetostrictives, etc). NOTES: to summarize, this thread has so far stated that the only area where holes are not detectable is the vacuum. That is, hole particles only exist in the presence of matter. Previous threads have stated that holes only exist in certain semi-conductors. The question that naturally arises is if the hole currents inside a semi-conductor vanish at the point where the semiconductor is joined to a conductor (say, copper). I don't want a theoretical discussion here about whether holes could exist inside metal conductors, rather I ask for an experimental discussion on how to amplify and detect such currents *if* they exist. Also note that I have cross-posted this to sci.electronics since this is now becoming an electronic discussion. Thanx, Eric. ---- ET ""A Force of Nature"" ---- " 2786,2,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Fall Comdex '93 Lines: 8 Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available. Or, could anyone point me in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated. Dave Stevens dls128@psuvm.psu.edu Training and Multimedia Services dls128@psuvm Penn State University " 2787,2,"From: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) Subject: RE Diamond SS 24X Organization: Physics Department, FSU News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS Reply-To: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu Lines: 25 >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. >I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors >in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible >quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. >What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. >Thx Dave L I have used both version 1.17 drivers for Win 3.1 and the new 2.03 drivers. I have had none of these problems. No GPF's at all. I have a feeling that your problems are not with the card or drivers. The ATI Ultra drivers are considered some of the most reliable on the market, and the SS 24X ones seem quite good as well. Maybe you should check BIOS problems in your Gateway. I know a few people with Gateway DX2's, and all of them have found some problem or other with compatibility -- especially with graphics. The only GPF's I have ever had can be directly attributable to using/ abusing applications. I even got the newest drivers from Diamond when people started complaining. I still only have one small problem with them, and it is that the hardware cursor is slightly jumpy during writes/ reads to the swap file. Greg Bishop. " 2788,9,"From: VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) Subject: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Lafayette College Lines: 10 Originator: news@lafcol Nntp-Posting-Host: lafibm Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but humor us. Thanks for your help. Thanks. Bobby " 2789,12,"From: ray@ole.cdac.com (Ray Berry) Subject: Re: $25 network Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 11 zjoc01@hou.amoco.com (Jack O. Coats) writes: >The same folks now have out LBL (Little Big Lan) for $75. I think you >get it for $50 if you already own $25 Network. LBL works with Arcnet, >parallel ports, and serial ports in any combination for up to 250 or so >nodes. LBL now offers ethernet support also, although presently it is limited to NE1000/NE2000 style boards. LBL owners can get an update for $8.50. -- Ray Berry kb7ht ray@ole.cdac.com rjberry@eskimo.com 73407.3152@compuserve.com " 2790,3,"From: simon@moscow.uidaho.edu (Mike Simon) Subject: Re: Please help identify this old 3Com Ethernet card Article-I.D.: moscow.C5L5C5.GtM Organization: University of Idaho CS Dept. Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu In article <1qhvunINNhau@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes: |> I have an old 3Com ethernet card (PC AT Bus) that came out of a Apollo |> workstation. I'm trying to identify it in order to use it on a PC. |> |> The Assembly number is 4008-00 REV 2 and it is a 16 bit card, circa |> 1985. It has an AUI port as well as a BNC coax connection. It has |> selectable address for the BIOS, IO, DMA, and IRQ locations via berg |> jumpers. It also appears to have a Intel 80186 processor on board, |> presumably for buffering. |> |> The ethernet chip appears to be an Intel 82586, a 48 pin DIP package. Is |> this chip an equivalent to the 8390 used in some cards? There is also |> a 68 pin PLCC chip, called a LINK+ |> |> Please e-mail as I don't think this is of general interest. My least favorite last line of a post. Um, it is of general interest. As I prepare to retire 22 Apollos myself, I'm looking for ways to recycle the useful parts. Mike Simon simon@moscow.uidaho.edu " 2791,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Armenian killings in Kelbadjar ( Azerbadjan ) continues..... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes: >Armenian killings in Kelbadjar ( Azerbadjan ) continues, Armenian >attackers continues it's attack against Kelbadjar, Azerbadjan. >45,000 people have been evacuated from Kelbadjar, 15,000 are still in >town. The fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government also hired mercenaries to slaughter Azeris this time. >The Armenian government says that the forces aren't from Armenia >but from Nagorno-Karabag. Heavy weapons and ordertaking >from France is the result.....Turkey's President, Turgut Ozal,says: >""If UN doesn't act then we may have to show our teeth before the > situation becomes worse."". Finally...about time... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2792,4,"Orginization: Old Dominion University - Computing & Communications Services From: Kay Alexander Subject: Quadra 800 problem & question Lines: 16 I just got a Quadra 800 8/230 and I've noticed that I can't change the desktop color from the beautiful gray. I thought maybe I should reinstall the OS using the ""Install Me First, Macintosh Centris, Quadra..."" diskette because the system file on this diskette is more recent than the one on the hard disk. The easy install selects ""Macintosh Cnetris System Software"". Does anyone know if I should use this or customize and use ""System Software for any Macintosh""? Or does it matter? THANKS in advance for any suggestions... Kay Alexander Old Dominion University BITNET: kba100s@oduvm INTERNET: kba100s@oduvm.cc.odu.edu " 2793,2,"From: ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Article-I.D.: byu.~c$ Organization: Fine Arts and Communications -- Brigham Young University Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: fac-csr.byu.edu >The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I >mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares. > >The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not >had any problems with it. I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago. I compared it to the sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me. The BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality. I can compare it with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical ( depending on the kind of paper). I don't have problems with the ink not being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast. Probably within a second. Since Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy. --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)378-3292 hfac_csr@byu.edu ecktons@ucs.byu.edu " 2794,12,"From: acooney@netcom.com (Alan Cooney) Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Try the folks at Dimolex Corp., La Crescenta, CA 91214. Their number is (818) 957-7001. They make membrane keypads that are very flat, in layouts from 2 to 128 keys. They have standard models, tactile models (with stainless domes under each key to make a 'click' you can feel), as well as backlit models. Some of them can even be cut with scissors to form a funky shape other than a rectangle. Many of the models are available in a 'kit' which includes a bezel, colored and plain key covers, and rub on lettering to make your own layout. One piece prices aren't cheap, though, as they want $10 for one four position pad *kit*, and $45 for a 40 position *kit*. I have no affiliation with Dimolex or any company connected with them. I *have* purchased a couple of keypads from them, and am pleased with what I got. Cheers, Alan " 2795,3,"From: august1@server.uwindsor.ca (AUGUSTYN ROBERT ) Subject: Data path width from 16 to 32 bits but speed less then double? Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 5 In evolution of 80-x86 data path width has been doubled from 8 to 16 t0 32 bits but the speed of data processing has not increased at same rate.The question is Why? What is relationship bettween data path width and data processing speed? Thanks in advance for the input. Robert. " 2796,14,"From: buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 71 ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: spacenews@austen.rand.org, cti@austen.rand.org Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 16:00:21 PDT From: Richard Buenneke 4/06/93: GIBBONS OUTLINES SPACE STATION REDESIGN GUIDANCE NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 6, 1993 RELEASE: 93-64 Dr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space station. A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee. Each option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development, operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds. Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA budget for the President's new technology investment. As a result, station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in the rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space station option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years. Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of the advisory committee. Generally, the members-designate focused upon administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted. They also received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory committee to consider. Gibbons also announced that the United States and its international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese and Canadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give ""full consideration"" to use of Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process. To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems. The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology. The overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilitiaes. Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving that goal. Gibbons reiterated that, ""President Clinton is committed to the redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program represents. However, he also is committed to a space station that is well managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation."" NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian participation will be accomplished through the East-West Space Science Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald Sagdeev. ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy " 2797,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Magellan Update - 04/16/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Magellan, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT April 16, 1993 1. The Magellan mission at Venus continues normally, gathering gravity data which provides measurement of density variations in the upper mantle which can be correlated to surface topography. Spacecraft performance is nominal. 2. Magellan has completed 7225 orbits of Venus and is now 39 days from the end of Cycle-4 and the start of the Transition Experiment. 3. No significant activities are expected next week, as preparations for aerobraking continue on schedule. 4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 2798,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Lines: 30 Benedikt Rosenau writes: >And what about that revelation thing, Charley? If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, it's obviously a risk one takes. >Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge >is contradictive. I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is that the ""better"" descriptive language is not available. >And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish >that? This word ""reliable"" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you can show how reliability can be determined. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 2799,12,"From: john@gu.uwa.edu.au (John West) Subject: Re: Protection of serial (RS232) lines Keywords: serial protection Article-I.D.: uniwa.1pqp7f$h16 Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: >There is at least one optically-isolated RS-232 transceiver chip. I >don't remember where I saw it. RS Components (they exist in Australia and the UK. Don't know about the US) have little chips called Isolated MAX 250 and 251. They give you isolated RS-232 from a single 5V supply. External components are 4 caps, 4 optoisolators, a diode, and an isloting transformer. They go up to 19.2K baud.. John West -- For the humour impaired: Insert a :-) after every third word " 2800,5,"From: carl@teal.csn.org (Carl Podlogar) Subject: need font family, weight and slant from instance of a widget Summary: need font family, weight and slant from instance of a widget Keywords: font Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Lines: 10 How can I get the font family, weight and slant from an instance of a widget? Using initFontContext(), getNextFont() and freeFontContext() I can get the size of the font (and a bunch of other stuff concerning the font) but nowhere have I found family, weight and slant. Assume that I do not have access to the source where family, weight and slant were orginaly used when creating a fontlist. Thanks a bunch and have a great day, Carl carl@softsolut.com " 2801,5,"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 17 > Distribution: comp Please don't misuse newsgroup hierarchy names as distributions. In article , hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes: > I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area > of its childs. Yes, but it's not an attribute of the window; it's an attribute of the GC used to do the drawing. Set the subwindow-mode to IncludeInferiors rather than the default ClipByChildren. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu " 2802,11,"From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) Subject: Need help !! Keywords: Firewall gateway model, Kerberos Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 14 I am currently writing a paper on computer protocols security. I would appreciate your help. I currently have no insight into these topics except that they relate to security in multilevel security network. Please semd me any references, books, FAQs or contact persons names and Internet addresses. The topics I am interested in: 1. The ""firewall gateway model"" as implemented in Internet gateways. 2. Kerberos Authentication Service Please send me a private e-mail at eldar@sfu.ca and/or post it on the board. Thanks a lot, Danny " 2803,5,"From: defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) Subject: Mysterious beeping Nntp-Posting-Host: hpclapd.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Lines: 121 [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] [ Author was Andy DeFaria ] [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to allow ""date"" fields the following special keys: [Tt]: Insert today's date [+=]: Bump day up by one [-_]: Bump day down by one I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an XmText field for this. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. // ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// #include #include #include #include #include Widget toplevel; Widget mainWindow; Widget mainPane; Widget dateField; XtAppContext application; void markToday (Widget date) { char *todaysDate = ""04/19/93""; XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, todaysDate, NULL); } // markToday void markTomorrow (Widget date) { char *tomorrowsDate = ""04/20/93""; XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, tomorrowsDate, NULL); } // markTomorrow void markYesterday (Widget date) { char *yesterdaysDate = ""04/18/93""; XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, yesterdaysDate, NULL); } // markYesterday void datekeys (Widget /* callingWidget */, Widget date, XmTextVerifyPtr callbackData) { // Capture the keys [Tt-_+=] can change their behaviour. If found // set ""doit"" to false so X won't interpret the keystroke. switch (callbackData->text->ptr [0]) { case 't': case 'T': markToday (date); callbackData->doit = FALSE; return; case '-': case '_': markYesterday (date); callbackData->doit = FALSE; return; case '+': case '=': markTomorrow (date); callbackData->doit = FALSE; return; default: return; } // switch } // datekeys void main (Cardinal argc, char *argv []) { // Initialize Xt toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize (&application, ""Application"", NULL, 0, &argc, argv, NULL, NULL); // Create the toolface mainWindow = XtVaCreateManagedWidget (""mainWindow"", xmMainWindowWidgetClass, toplevel, NULL); // Create a mainWindow mainPane = XtVaCreateManagedWidget (""mainPane"", xmRowColumnWidgetClass, mainWindow, NULL); // Create a small text area dateField = XtVaCreateManagedWidget (""dateField"", xmTextWidgetClass, mainPane, XmNtopAttachment, XmATTACH_FORM, XmNrightAttachment, XmATTACH_FORM, XmNcolumns, 8, NULL); // Set modifyVerifyCallback to the datekeys callback XtAddCallback (dateField, XmNmodifyVerifyCallback, (XtCallbackProc) datekeys, (XtPointer) dateField); // Realize the toplevel XtRealizeWidget (toplevel); // Go into the XtMainLoop XtAppMainLoop (application); } // main _______________________________________________________________________________ I swear by my life and the love of it that I will | Andrew DeFaria never live for the sake of another man nor ask | Hewlett Packard another man to live for mine. | California Language Labs John Galt | defaria@cup.hp.com _______________________________________________________________________________ -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I swear by my life and the love of it that I will | Andrew DeFaria never live for the sake of another man nor ask | Hewlett Packard another man to live for mine. | California Language Labs John Galt | defaria@cup.hp.com _______________________________________________________________________________ " 2804,2,"From: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) Subject: Re: Windows NT FAQ? Nntp-Posting-Host: shelduck Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit Lines: 26 In article gal@bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne) writes: >I really gives me pause to ask this: > >When I first heard of Windows-NT I was surprised by the name because >it immediately occurred to me that it sounds like a Northern Telecom >product. Did anyone else notice that? > >By the way, BNR (see address below) is an R&D subsidiary of NT. See >what I mean? > >| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify | >| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra. | >| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me. | >| USA 75085-1986 | Opinions expressed here are mine and not BNR's. | Windows NT or WNT can also be derived by the next letter in the alphabet of VMS - same as HAL and IBM. You might recall that the chief architect of VMS is also chief designer of WNT. Rajiev Gupta -- Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views, Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies. Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium " 2805,2,"From: mhembruc@tsegw.tse.com (Mattias Hembruch) Subject: Re: Can I Change """"Licensed To"""" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange Lines: 35 rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >This is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to: >information of MS-Windows... >In a previous article, 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: >> >> ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >>disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can >>write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I >I can find it with a HEX editor, although I have not tried to overwrite it. >Are you sure it can't be? You may be mistaken about this. (???) >Rob >rmohns@vax.clarku.edu On a similar note, has anyone found out a way to do this with MS FoxPro for Windows? My setup.ini file was modified on disk 1 (all encrypted).. Well, of course I forgot about Microsoft's stupid arrangement when I got the software, and used my name (it was paid for by the company I'm doing consulting for. When my job is done, it's their software).. Any ideas before I start doing dumb things to a copy of that file?? Mattias ps NO - I don't want to pirate this software. I just want to avoid having to buy a new copy in order to change the registration information and then having a copy lying around I don't use... maybe I can get a new disk 1... -- Mattias Hembruch >> My views do not necessarily reflect those of the TSE. << E-mail: mhembruc@tse.com " 2806,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: RIMSAT, US/Russian joint venture Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 121 I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is granted to copy this without restriction. Michael Sternberg, Cheif of Operations of RIMSAT, was invited to speak at an informal lunch held by ACDIS here on the campus of the University of Illinois. ACDIS is an organization on campus that deals with Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security. RIMSAT was considered an appropriate topic because the company is using Russian launchers and satellites. I think it also helped that his daughter is a grad student in the International Relations program. The concept behind RIMSAT apparently began when Matt Neilson (?) went to Tonga to visit a friend. While he was there, he somehow ended up visiting the king, who happened to be a big TV fan. Matt bought the King a satellite dish, which the king thought was really nifty. Since Tonga has a GNP of about $70 million, His Majesty asked if there was any way to make money off this. Matt thought there probably was, so at his suggestion, Tonga applied for 31 geosynchronous satellite slots. While this isn't entirely off the wall, it was very unusual, seeing as Tonga was a tiny kingdom with no space program, and 31 is a lot of slots. The whole thing was debated in the appropriate regulatory agency and Carl Hilliard (who is apparently a respected space lawyer) wrote several opinions supporting Tonga's case. Eventually Tonga ended up with 7 slots, ranging from 70 E to 170 E (slots are designated by the longitude over which they reside). According to Sternberg, four of these, from 130 E to 142 E are the best in the world because they are excellently placed for communications between Hawaii and the Pacific Rim. RIMSAT was formed to use these slots. It was officially formed in Nevis as a tax haven. They tried for a few years to raise funds in the west, however, to fill 7 slots with western satellites launched on western launchers would have cost approximately $2 billion. It's not easy to raise that kind of money. Eventually, they hit upon the idea of using Russian hardware. They began negotiating with Glavkosmos for hardware. Mr Sternberg describes operating in Moscow in such harsh terms that I don't think I'll visit there for a long time. Besides a significant lack of creature comforts, he was not happy with the way that people operate. For example ""everybody can sell you everything."" Everyone can show the proper documents and licenses that indicate they are the only ones who have the authority to sell what ever you want to by. Eventually, RIMSAT arranged a deal with Glavkosmos for 6 satellites at a cost of $150 million. However, Glavkosmos lost favor after the coup. Sternberg says that this is because they were basically a bunch of KGB operatives who went to trade shows and picked up lots of brochures. Since Glavkosmos was out of power, he had to renegotiate the deal with the new authorities. He again described life in a Moscow hotel in rather unfavorable terms. Eventually, he worked out a deal and on Dec 4, 1992 he met with Koptev, who heads the Russian space program, to sign the deal. Koptev insisted on a few concessions before signing and according to Sternberg he arranged these new rules to allow himself to form another company to do the exact same thing as RIMSAT. The next step was to meet with the builders of the hardware, NPO Applied Mechanics -- NPO PM to use their acronym. This organization is located in Siberia (can't figure out how to spell the town, I need an atlas) and has built about 1500 vehicles since the dawn of the space age. Sternberg commented that siberians are very different from Musovites. They are hard workers, honest people who team up to get things done, very much like midwesterners. At this point there were some comments from the audience that agreed with his opinion on both siberians and midwesterners :-) Sternberg had lots of good things to say about NPO PM. His company is apparently lookng for $100 million to invest in the firm to become 50% partners.It apparently costs the Russians about $4 million to build a satellite that would sell for $50 million in the west. If you want to give them specifications, they'll build you a satellite. For the particular satellites that RIMSAT will be using, costs run about $378,000 per transponder year. This compares to $810,000 t/y in the U.S. They can sell their time for about $1.1 million compared to $2.6 million in the U.S. RIMSAT will launch their satellites on Protons. To get the best prices, they bought in bulk. They have the rights to twelve launches, so if any of you need a lift I can give you their address. The first launch is scheduled for October and they are getting one used satellite from the Russians, which is being moved into place now. Tidbits: * Sternberg says this kind of thing has to be done by entrepreneurs, not big business because big business is just like what they have over there, except that ""we have better paper, both in the bathroom and in the copier."" * Russian launches are self insured. The promise to replace a failed launch within 9 months. * Major investors in RIMSAT include Russell 20/20, which is a huge retirement fund organization, Cellsat, which is a big telecom business in southeast Asia, and a fund operated by some of the big names in U.S aerospace which he says is sort of an insurance policy for them if this really takes off. * He downplayed the instabilites in the ex-USSR saying that we are worried partly because we aren't used to seeing Russia as anything but an unvarying monolith. Italy gets a new government ""every two weeks"" but we don't worry because we're used to it. He predicted that once we get used to seeing what really goes on in Russia we won't worry about their stability as much. * Part of the problem with cooperative ventures is the problem of transfering money. The central bank has a policy of taking hard currency payments, putting 25% in their coffers and replacing the rest with the ""equivalent"" value in rubles. To get around this, RIMSAT pays their hard currency into an Austrian bank account. NPO PM then pays their contractors with foreign currency so that the only the contractors get swindled by the government. * One of the big problems RIMSAT has had is stonewalling by the western satellite industry. However, Intelsat recently bought three of the same type of satellites, which was rather reassuring. * The biggest worry most people have about russian satellites is the primitive technology and shorter lifetime. The older Gorizont (Horizon) satellites have a lifetime of about 5 years, while the more modern Express satellites compare well with western technology and last about 8 years. While this is much shorter than 15 years for western satellites, Sternberg downplayed the difference. At these prices they can afford to launch new ones. In addition, shorter lifetimes mean that they can replace their equipment with newer technology so they will be able to compete better than older, out of date hardware. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 2807,12,"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night) Subject: Re: Answers to many electronics Questions Organization: Michigan Technological University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 19 Bill Willis (willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu) wrote: : I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not : ""tuned-in"" to electronics. Many of them have rather simple answers, and : many of them require a circuit diagram. : Rather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self- : addressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can. : W. L. Willis, P. E. : 114 Fern Circle : Clemson, SC 29631 Because the network is quicker, easier, and free (at least to me). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat. " 2808,9,"From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) Subject: Vegas odds? Nntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 6 Does anyone have a list of Vegas odds for teams making the World Series? I'd appreciate a mailing. Thanks, rickc@corp.sgi.com " 2809,2,"From: Steffi.Beckhaus@newcastle.ac.uk (S. Beckhaus) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Nntp-Posting-Host: turing Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU. Lines: 47 In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >> >>Dear friend, >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > >hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >as orthogonal is CISC. > I hope this will clear it up : (Taken from one of my lecture notes) "" ... The alternative approach (to CISC), which has been adopted by many in recent years, has come to be known as ""RISC"": the Reduced Instruction Set Computer. This can be characterised simply as ""Simpler is Faster""; by simplifying the design (e.g. by reducing the variety of instructions & addressing modes), the hardware can be designed to run faster. Even at the cost of needing more instructions, the same task can be done more quickly by the simpler, faster design. A typical RISC processor will: o provide a large number of registers (e.g. 32); o perform all data operations on registers; o provide few addressing modes (e.g. immediate or 'register + offset'); o only allow load & store operations to access memory; o only use a few instruction formats; o only support a few data types (e.g. integer, unsigned, floating). Steffi Beckhaus JANET: Steffi.Beckhaus@uk.ac.newcastle If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. " 2810,9,"From: C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: University of Missouri X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 23 In article kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? > > Unoffically, but without a doubt, America's Team is the Cubs. Why? > Orin. > Bradley U> > > > >-- >I'm really a jester in disguise! Sorry, but I saw a survey somewhere that showed that America's favorite team is the Damn Yankees. So much for the underdogs being loved. ObBaseball Trivia: Cardinals have taken 3 out of 5 series from the Yanks but have a losing record against them (Spring training games not counted) --Shannon " 2811,6,"From: rivkin@watson.bms.com (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN) Subject: House for Sale in Mercerville, NJ News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute Lines: 22 I am posting this for a friend. Please do not respond to me. Thanks. House for Sale!!!!! 16 Brockton Road, Mercerville, New Jersey Description: Beautiful 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath cape cod located on a large tastefully landscaped corner with fenced in lot. This home features an eat-in kitchen with built-in corner china closet, a large living room, wall-to-wall carpeting, hardwood floors, new ceramic tile foyer, and freshly painted neutral tone decor. This home includes new central air and heating, new roof, new water heater, aluminum siding, storm windows and doors and Rockwell insulation in all exterior walls. Also features a new partially finished basement with an outside entrance and new Duro shed. Lots of storage space. Convenient to Rt. 295. Extras: Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer, Ceiling Fans, and Window Treatments Call for appointment at (609) 586-1946. *****Open House on Sunday, April 18th, 1:00 - 4:00. Call for Directions***** " 2812,13,"From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) Subject: What's the Difference Between an M.D. and a D.O.? Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 30 My wife and I are in the process of selecting a pediatrician for our first child (due June 15th). We interviewed a young doctor last week and were very impressed with her. However, I discovered that she is actually not an Medical Doctor (M.D.) but rather a ""Doctor of Osteopathy"" (D.O.). What's the difference? I believe the pediatrician *I* went to for many years was a D.O. and he didn't seem different from any other doctor I've seen over the years. My dictionary says that osteopathy is ""a medical therapy that emphasizes manipulative techniques for correcting somatic abnormalities thought to cause disease and inhibit recovery."" Jeez, this sounds like chiropractic. I remember getting shots and medicine from *my* pediatrician D.O., and don't remember any ""manipulative techniques"". Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to the real, practical difference between an M.D. and a D.O. Also, I'm interesting in hearing any opinions on choosing a pediatrician who follows one or the other medical philosophy. Readers of sci.med: Please respond directly to sbrenner@attmail.com; I do not read this group regularly and probably won't see your response if you just post it here. Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping there's some expertise here. a T d H v A a N n K c S e ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scott D. Brenner AT&T Consumer Communications Services sbrenner@attmail.com Basking Ridge, New Jersey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2813,0,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians In-Reply-To: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM's message of 16 Apr 93 05: 10:18 GMT Organization: Compaq Computer Corp Lines: 26 >>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said: RB> In article pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes: >EVER HEAR OF >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what >is... > RB> RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the RB> priest really wears under that chasible. The same thing Scotsmen where under there kilt. I'll never forget the day when I was about tweleve and accidently walked in on a roomfull of priests sitting around in their underware drinking beer and watching football. Kind of changed my opinion a bit. They didn't seem so menacing after that. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 2814,18,"From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu writes: : In article <1993Apr15.215747.17331@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes: : >The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the : >draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, : >and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior : >with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us : >on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and : >Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. : >Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. : >Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. : > : > : > - Dave Borden : > borden@m5.harvard.edu : : : You selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice somthing : for your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? To bad. : What is immoral is: people like you and the current president who don't : have any idea why this country still exists after 200+ years. This country still exists after 200+ years because the people have to be forced by the government to fight in foreign wars? I don't think so... Bill . " 2815,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Symbiotics: Zionism-Antisemitism Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 21 In article <1483500355@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history >of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without >anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet >of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews. That's why the Zionists decided that Zion must be Gentile-rein. What?! They didn't?! You mean to tell me that the early Zionists actually granted CITIZENSHIP in the Jewish state to Christian and Muslim people, too? It seems, Elias, that your ""first point to note"" is wrong, so the rest of your posting isn't worth much, either. Ta ta... -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 2816,13,"From: walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup) Subject: Re: Menangitis question Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Distribution: na Lines: 19 In article <19439@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >... the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common >forms of meningitis. It's the one that sometimes sweeps >schools or boot camp. It is contagious and kills by attacking >the covering of the brain, causing the blood vessels to thrombose >and the brain to swell up. > > ... > >It can live in the throat of carriers. Don't worry, you won't get >it from them, especially if they took the medication. Assuming one has been cultured as having a throat laden with neiseria meningococcus and given (and taken) a course of ERYC without the culture becoming negative, should one worry about being a carrier? -- Elizabeth walkup@cs.washington.edu " 2817,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article , mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) writes: > <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >> Sorry if I do not have the big degrees >>and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something >>that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without >>dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. > > Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh? > > The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most > pernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous > offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you. Well said. > You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by > failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here) > which would give your imagination wings. > > Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of > the Body Snatchers_: > > ""Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know"" Okay, Del, so Michael was being unfair, but you are being unfair back. He is taking college courses now, I presume he is studying hard, and his postings reveal that he is *somewhat* hip to the technical issues of astronautics. Plus, he is attentively following the erudite discourse of the Big Brains who post to sci.space; is it not inevitable that he will get a splendid technical education from reading the likes of you and me? [1] Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up fast. I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a technical education to follow them up. Too bad I wound up in an assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day... (-: [1] Though rumors persist that Del and I are both pseudonyms of Fred McCall. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | ""We'll see you Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | at White Sands in June. Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | You bring your view-graphs, Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | and I'll bring my rocketship."" SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | --Col. Pete Worden on the DC-X " 2818,5,"From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) Subject: Re: Multi-screen apps and window managers Organization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] : ======================================================================== : Jo Pelkey Phone: (509)375-6947 : Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs Fax: (509)375-3641 : Mail Stop K7-22 Email: je_pelkey@pnl.gov : P.O. Box 999 : Richland, WA 99352 : ======================================================================== Hi Jo, I'm also interested in your questions, so if you get any answers via email and not via repost please let me know. Thanks, rainer. -- Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 Penzingerstr. 76 | A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at " 2819,18,"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: Traffic Case Article-I.D.: oregon.5APR199315572465 Distribution: world Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr5.140934.876@colorado.edu>, ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes... > The [McDonald] case was dismissed in the interests of Justice On whose authority do you have this and on what grounds was it dismissed? Daniel Reitman HOW NOT TO WRITE A DEED One case involved the construction of a conveyance to grantees ""jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest in said land, and to the survivor thereof, in fee simple. . . . To Have and to Hold the same unto the said parties hereto, equally, jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest for the period or term of their lives, and to the survivor thereof at the death of the other."" The court held that the survivorship provision indicated an intent to create a joint tenancy. Germain v. Delaine, 294 Ala. 443, 318 So.2d 681 (1975). " 2820,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 39 In article prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston) writes: > Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a > good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app. I certainly do use it whenever I have to do TIFF, and it usually works very well. That's not my point. I'm >philosophically< opposed to it because of its complexity. This complexity has led to some programs' poor TIFF writers making some very bizarre files, other programs' inability to load TIFF images (though they'll save them, of course), and a general inability to interchange images between different environments despite the fact they all think they understand TIFF. As the saying goes, ""It's not me I'm worried about- it's all the >other< assholes out there!"" I've had big trouble with misuse and abuse of TIFF over the years, and I chalk it all up to the immense (and unnecessary) complexity of the format. In the words of the TIFF 5.0 spec, Appendix G, page G-1 (capitalized emphasis mine): ""The only problem with this sort of success is that TIFF was designed to be powerful and flexible, at the expense of simplicity. It takes a fair amount of effort to handle all the options currently defined in this specification (PROBABLY NO APPLICATION DOES A COMPLETE JOB), and that is currently the only way you can be >sure< that you will be able to import any TIFF image, since there are so many image-generating applications out there now."" If a program (or worse all applications) can't read >every< TIFF image, that means there are some it won't- some that I might have to deal with. Why would I want my images to be trapped in that format? I don't and neither should anyone who agrees with my reasoning- not that anyone does, of course! :-) ab " 2821,18,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eighth-graders Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Keywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants Lines: 87 The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up Among U.S. eighth-graders"" by Mike Snider, p. 6D). A new national survey says drugs are easier to get, more teens are using them and fewer deem drug use as risky. For the last two years, government officials have trumpeted results from the National High School Survey as signs that the drug war is being won. But this year, officials are retreating - drug use by eighth-graders has risen, according to the survey of 50,000 students nationwide. Possible reason for the increase: more experimentation. Why? If drug use dropped during the '80s, eventually some students will have fewer ""drug-using contemporaries"" who act as examples of substance abuse's drawbacks, says social psychologist Lloyd Johnston, one of the survey authors. Each new wave of youths ""must be given the knowledge, skills and motivation to resist using these drugs,"" Johnston says. This type of resurgence ""is possible,"" says Eileen Shiff, author of ""Experts Advise Parents"" (Delta, $14.95). But that's not the issue, she says. The prevalence of alcohol and drugs among teens today could result in more alcoholic adults decades from now. Aggravating the problem: baby boomer parents - who experimented with drugs and alcohol as teens - trying to be friends, not parents, to their children. ""I've even seen parents serving kegs of beer"" to their underage kids and friends, Shiff says. For a recent graduation, Shiff and other parents organized an all-night, ""lock-in"" party where no booze or drugs were allowed. ""We need to fulfill that parental role, otherwise the peer group takes over,"" she says. Officials may ""talk about the war on drugs, but they really haven't done anything that I've seen,"" says Suzanne Linkous, Scottsdale, Ariz., 16, a volunteer who talks with teens about drugs, dating and other issues on a peer counseling and suicide hot line. Linkous, a member of USA Today's Teen Panel, says ""there's always going to be experimentation"" with drugs. A real war on drugs could be waged ""education-wise,"" she says. But ""some don't want to give kids the facts. They think it will give them ideas; it's the same with birth control. I think you should give the kids the information or have it accessible"" through classes, pamphlets and speakers, she says. Education efforts need to start as soon as kids get in school - in kindergarten, says Dallas Owens, 17, teen panelist from Miami Shores, Fla. ""I remember in kindergarten, I used to see (drugs). I think kids in the 10th and 12th grades have already made up their minds (about using drugs),"" he says. Scare tactics in public service announcements aren't working; only one commercial has gotten it right, he says. The commercial opens with two ""good-looking girls"" in the restroom talking about having no prom date. Then they take a hit off a joint. ""That hits home because it's not attractive,"" he says. ""You can't be doing drugs if you want somebody to like you."" Adolescents' choices Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month: Estimated, per 100 students 1991 1992 Pct. chg. Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4% Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8% Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27% LSD 0.6 0.9 +50% Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40% Crack 0.3 0.5 +67% Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, 1993 report Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me " 2822,4,"From: Robert Everett Brunskill Subject: Re: ""Jump Starting"" a Mac II Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 3 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr14.144142.9061@mailbox.als.com> Did you remember to clamp ground to the engine block first? Rob " 2823,3,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Distribution: world Lines: 18 In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: >In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, >20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has >long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a statement is absurd: SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) " 2824,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) writes: >egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >|> >|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >|> thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" > >I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving, >or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car >in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. An effort was made to remove the sticker. It came to pieces, leaving most of it firmly attached to the window. It was dark, and around 10:00 pm. The sticker (before being mangled in an ineffective attempt to be torn off) warned the car would be towed if not removed. A ""reasonable person"" would arguably have driven the car. Had an accident occured, I don't think my friend's attorney would have much trouble fixing blame on the apartment mangement. As a practical matter, even without a conviction, the cost and inconvenience of defending against the suit would be considerable. As a moral matter, it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do for so paltry a violation as parking without an authorization sticker (BTW, it wasn't ""somebody's"" spot, it was resident-only, but unassigned, parking). --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 2825,8,"From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short? Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 23 In rec.motorcycles, bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes: >Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great! >Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28"" seat. This is not great. So far, >the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440. I had a kz440 and thought it was the best $100 bike I've ever ridden. And mind you, I've ridden many bikes. >I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through >several months ago. Did anybody keep that list? You must be mistaken. No thread in this group has ever had a point. Seriously, there are many 'short' bikes out there. What style bike and how much money does she have. My SO is 5'3"" and rides her CB1 or my hawk GT with ease. Most cruisers are low slung. YSR50's are real short too. <================================================> / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ / ""I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."" \ <========================================================> " 2826,0,"From: lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang) Subject: Re: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is) Organization: Nottingham University Lines: 38 In article , tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) wrote: > In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > > >Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, > >as you would wish it. > > You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I > see it used normally. > > And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to > ""the real world"". > > Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe > and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning > those perceptions. Science is the process of modeling the real world based on commonly agreed interpretations of our observations (perceptions). > It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see. > Values are ... well they are what I value. > They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience > rather than not, and so on. Values can also refer to meaning. For example in computer science the value of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE. Science is based on commonly agreed values (interpretation of observations), although science can result in a reinterpretation of these values. > Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are > applicable to everyone. The values underlaying science are not objective since they have never been fully agreed, and the change with time. The values of Newtonian physic are certainly different to those of Quantum Mechanics. Steve Lang SLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK " 2827,1,"From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX Keywords: 3DO ARM QT Compact Video In article <2BD07605.18974@news.service.uci.edu> rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert C. Barris) writes: >I'm not sure how a Centris/20MHz 040 stacks up against the 25 MHz ARM in >the 3DO box. Obviously the ARM is faster, but how much? Why would it have to be much faster (it probably is) ? Assuming an ARM is about as efficient as a MIPS R3000 for integer calculations, doing a Compact-Video-like digital video codec is an easy task. For Software Motion Pictures (which is a lot like Compact Video, though it predates it), we get 48 frames/sec. at 320x240 on a DECstation 5000/200. That machine has a 25 Mhz MIPS R3000. Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology Digital Equipment Corporation neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com " 2828,0,"From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) Subject: Re: And Another THing: In-Reply-To: mangoe@cs.umd.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 00:46:07 GMT Organization: Software Engineering Institute Lines: 39 mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Keith Ryan writes: >> >>You will ignore any criticism of your logic, or any possible incongruenties >>in your stance? You will not answer any questions on the validity of any >>opinion and/or facts you state? >When I have to start saying ""that's not what I said"", and the response is >""did so!"", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue >with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with. But of course YOUR version of YOUR position has been included in the Charley Challenges, so your claim above is a flat-out lie. Further, only last week you claimed that you ""might not"" answer the Challenges because you were turned off by ""included text"". So which is it, do you want your context included in my articles or not? Come to think of it, this contradiction has the makings of a new entry in the next Challenges post. By the way, I've kept every bloody thing that you've written related to this thread, and will be only too pleased to re-post any of it to back my position. You seem to have forgotten that you leave an electronic paper trail on the net. >>This is the usual theist approach. No matter how many times a certain >>argument has been disproven, shown to be non-applicable or non-sequitur; >>they keep cropping up- time after time. >Speaking of non-sequiturs, this has little to do with what I just said. And >have some sauce for the goose: some of the ""disproof"" is fallacies repeated >over and over (such as the ""law of nature"" argument someone posted recently). Now, now, let's not change the subject. Wouldn't it be best to finish up the thread in question before you begin new ones? --Dave Wood " 2829,8,"Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Organization: University of Maine System Lines: 17 I don't know about the dinky little Zephyr's, but the 1100 (now the ZR1100) looks alot like my '76 Z1/ KZ900! The one I drooled over at Tri-Sports in Topsham, ME was a looker! Yes, Mercury axed the Zephyr name. Guess a lot of aging Republicans wanted a Zephyr and confused the Mercury with the Kawasaki :). Oh well, they're better off with the Kawasaki anyways. Maybe it'll shake the stick out of their asses and make Libertarians out of them! As to the GPz <--> Zephyr, the only GPz I've seen had the ball-buster gas tank profile, not the smooth saddle - to - gas tank transition. _Motorcyclist_ claims the Zephyr / ZR is the modernized Z1 (KZ) from the seventies. Jeff Andle DoD #3005 1976 KZ900 REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College. Please reply via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again. " 2830,19,"Subject: Re: ""Imaginary"" Friends - Dragons & Mice From: martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Sheilagh M.B.E. O'Hare) Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.cc.utexas.edu Lines: 17 He sounds really cute, Morte! Kinds like _pete's dragon_, maybe smaller, maybe a different species.. winge'd? (shakespear wing-ED) I've always hat a horde of mice to turn to for fun & sort of that kind of mouse in Cinderella (walt disney). I grew up sort of as an only child, part time.. my siblings were 10-8-6 years older than me, so i was pretty commonly a different sort of charater in their games (read: non speaking hot cocoa-goffer, stand in (still silent) bad guy/good guy/etc), so my mice were playmates, more than advisors. Could curt, or whomever has a good list of books please post such list, in all sorts of fields, like jungian, condensed buddist/etc philosophies, multiple personailty disorders, or good fiction that has well worked imaginary friends? thanks, sheilagh, wanting a bunch of library catalouge topics to search thru " 2831,15,"From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 32 In article 28727@athos.rutgers.edu, 62johnson@cua.edu (Yusef Al-Tariq) writes: >Who's law is it that a wedding has to happen in a church? the only reqirement >is that you and the bride agreee to marry each other. How also can you say "" >""christian wedding"" when the proces of marriage is nt really discussed in the >bible. why mus t a person get a civil marriage also? The only standards i >look to are those imposed upon me by god... not of society. If you want to live with someone, you can. If you don't want to have a civil marriage, don't. If you don't want to have a wedding in a church, don't. If you want to call that a marriage, go right ahead. I hope that the young people that are around you, don't follow your example. |-------------------| | Gary Chin | | Staff Engineer | | Sun Microsystems | | Mt. View, CA | | gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | |-------------------| [If the original message claims that marriage is not discussed in the Bible, I have to disagree. Various aspects of marriage are discussed in some of Paul's letters, Ephesians 5 sees marriage as a symbol of God's relationship with the church. If it means specifically that the marriage ceremony isn't described, then that seems to be true. But I think what most people mean by Christian marriage is not so much that it takes place in a church as that the parties undertake the various commitments to each other that are associated with marriage in the Bible. --clh] " 2832,17,From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu What are you stupid? --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo 2833,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Vandalizing the sky Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 50 yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >>WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC >>1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? >>In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The >>Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of >>rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this >>hideous vision of the future. Observers were >>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >>pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >>side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged >>for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. >Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct >some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered >this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. In fact, you can all direct your ire at the proper target by ingoring NASA altogether. The rocket is a commercial launch vechicle - a Conestoga flying a COMET payload. NASA is simply the primary customer. I believe SDIO has a small payload as well. The advertising space was sold by the owners of the rocket, who can do whatever they darn well please with it. In addition, these anonymous ""observers"" had no reason to be startled. The deal made Space News at least twice. >>Now, Space Marketing >>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >>orbit. >>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. >>Is NASA really supporting this junk? >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild >idea"" stage or does it have real funding? I think its only fair to find that out before everyone starts having a hissy fit. The fact that they bothered to use the conditional tense suggests that it has not yet been approved. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 2834,14,"From: n4hy@harder.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) Subject: Re: What counntries do space surveillance? Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: harder.ccr-p.ida.org In-reply-to: thomsonal@cpva.saic.com's message of 23 Apr 93 20:17:25 GMT I can tell you that when AMSAT launched some birds along a Spot satellite (French), that during installation of some instruments on Spot 2, there heavily armed legionaires who had a `take no prisoners' look on there faces. Spot satellites are completely capable of doing some very good on orbit surveillance. BMc -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert W. McGwier | n4hy@ccr-p.ida.org Center for Communications Research | Interests: amateur radio, astronomy,golf Princeton, N.J. 08520 | Asst Scoutmaster Troop 5700, Hightstown " 2835,15,"From: KSTE@vm.cc.purdue.edu (Kerry Stephenson) Subject: Request for research subjects Organization: Purdue University Lines: 14 Please excuse the interruption. I am seeking pro-life activists to fill out a 13-page questionnaire on attitutes, opinions, and activities. If you would be willing to participate in this research, please email me privately at KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET. All replies and questionnaires will be made anonymous prior to printout and will be kept confidential. Thank you very much for your help. --Kerry at Purdue [Note that I don't normally accept postings on abortion. So this isn't an invitation to a discussion in this group. --clh] " 2836,3,"From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk Subject: An 8051 simulator - is example code available? Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood) Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 25 Hello world, I'm attempting to write an 8051 simulator on an IBM PC for teaching purposes, so that first-year elec-eng students can 'see' the workings of the microcontroller as it performs operations - logical ands, for example, being shown on a bit-by-bit basis (1 AND 1 = 1) so that the students can see that it's not really a mystical process, but totally logical, for example. Every instruction should show some 'working', and not just alter register/memory/port contents. Does anyone know of any freely-available example simulation code, in Pascal or Modula-2, that would show me where I'm going wrong in writing my simulator? [I'm using Ayala's -The 8051 Microcontroller- as a reference - the simulator supplied with the package is overkill for simple teaching purposes, I feel, and there's no source code to help you roll your own.] Please email me if you can help, or if you know of somewhere more appropriate I should be posting this - I rarely scan these groups. Thanks, Lloyd Wood L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk " 2837,11,"From: Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Subject: exportability of PKZIP (was: RE: RC2) Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 36 Vesselin Bontchev (bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) writes: >>Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: >>> It is interesting to note in this regard that permission to export >>> PKZIP's encryption scheme has twice been denied by NSA. Draw you own >>> conclusions. >>Uh, I'm afraid that your information is slightly out of date... PKWare >>has obtained a license to export their program to the whole world, >>except a very limited list of countries... Draw your own conclusions >>about the strength of the algorithm... :-) Sorry if I was less than clear. :-) I was referring to our own efforts to receive export permission from NSA for the PKZIP encryption algorithm, not to any effort on the part of Phil Katz or PKWare. I should point out that the original version of this algorithm was designed by Roger Schlafly and that WE (meaning Roger and myself) were twice denied an export license for it. The second go 'round was just this past fall. I had no knowledge of Phil's attempts in this. I do not even *know* for sure if he choose to implement the algorithm as it was designed by Roger, though I *believe* that was at least the case for versions prior to 2.0. And then there's the question of key management. :-) And even if our applications were identical, there is no reason to assume the NSA would treat them that way. :-) -mjm ---------- Michael J. Markowitz, VP R&D markowitz@dockmaster.ncsc.mil Information Security Corp. 708 405-0500, fax: 708 405-0506 1141 Lake Cook Rd., Suite D MCI: 363-1959 Deerfield, IL 60302 CIS: 76206,2617 " 2838,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Nicknames Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 36 Maddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote: : jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: > : >We could start with those posters who annoy us the most, like Bobby or : >Bill. : Your wish is my command. : Bill ""Shit-stirrer"" Connor : Bobby ""Circular"" Mozumder I'm not sure my new nom d'net is exactly appropriate, but it comes very close. Considering what I have to wade through before I make one of my insightful, dead-on-the-money repsonses, I have to agree that something's getting stirred up. I would like to believe my characterization of what I respond to would be kinder though, but if you insist ... I am also surprised to find that I have offended anyone, but in some cases it's unavoidable if I am to say anything at all. For those to whom fairness is important, check out my contributions, haven't I been most generous and patient, a veritable paragon of gentility? Oh, BTW, I don't mind being paired with Bobby; I admire his tenacity. How many of you would do as well in this hostile environment - you think -I'm- offensive ?! read your own posts ... Love and kisses, Bill P.S. My name is Conner, not Connor. No point in humiliating the innocents. " 2839,7,From: barryf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Barry Fowler) Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production! Organization: HP Colorado Computer Mfg. Operation Lines: 1 Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel Air? 2840,4,"From: tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) Subject: LCIII vs. Centris 610? Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC Lines: 8 Title says it all. I'd be particularly interested in the performance difference. Just how much faster (50%?) is the Centris 610 over the LCIII? --Tom UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com " 2841,16,"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but 500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? Sure. Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this world. We'd do well to emulate them on that and forget about getting more rifles on the street. Let's disband the NRA and start a National Investment Banking Association, replete with red and black sticker for the back window of Bubba's Mercedes 600! We could fire Charlton Heston and get Paul Volcker for a spokesman. " 2842,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 38 In article 20009@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. >>He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you >>ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. > >I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that >includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as >Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey >with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey. > >Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about >the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa >Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek >Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri >Richard, Dick Duff...and so on... These players all are pretty good players. They are the depth that the dynasties had to win Stanley Cups. They tend to be the very good second line guys- who would be first liners on most weaker clubs in the NHL. They were all important to their clubs. Probably, several of these Stanley Cup winning teams would not have won the cups they did if it were not for the depth provided by these players. They compare to Rick Tocchet and Ron Francis of the Penguins. Very good players who can lead lesser teams (Francis-Hartford, Tocchet-Philly) who provide the depth to the team that is currently best in the NHL. As a defensive forward, there have been none better than Bob Gainey. That doesn't mean he was the best player (or even the best forward) the Canadians had at that time, but he was excellent at what he did. Gainey could dominate games with his defence. He didn't need to get goals to dominate. He shut down the opposition and was thus valuable. There has never been anyone any better at doing this. Not ever. Gregmeister " 2843,8,"From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) Subject: Re: Cobra Locks Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21 Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: usa Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote: : I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing : a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock : (described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock : in the Chicago area? : : Any other feedback from someone who has used this? What about the new Yamaha ""Cyclelok"" ? From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places. It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of a parking sign or similar. Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock at the jointed sections ? tony " 2844,4,"From: probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul) Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Originator: probulf@hphalle2i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr6.134746.11972@daimi.aau.dk>, viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes: |> So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard, |> but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split. |> However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught |> to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish |> and American typing, or what??? |> |> Thanks a lot in advance! |> In germany you usually use the left hand for the 'b' yours Frankie -- --------------------------------------------- Frank Probul Emanuelstr. 17, D-8000 Munich 40, Germany AppleLink: Probul.F@AppleLink.Apple.COM internet: probulf@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Munich University of Technology Department of Computer Science Germany --------------------------------------------- " 2845,9,"From: antond@microsoft.com (Anton Dejong) Subject: Re: Oakland Oaks Memorabilia Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 13 >There is Ebbets Field Flannels in Seattle, which makes lots of minor and negro >league jackets and jerseys. These things are REAL spendy (around $200 for a >jersey) but they are very authentic in look and nicely made. > >--->Paul, ""long live Steve Bilko and the PCL LA Angels"" Their phone number is 1-800-377-9777. The last catalog shows three Oaks jerseys: 36 Home, 42 Home, 39 Home - they're each $165.00. All their merchandise is handmade and is an authentic replica. I own a couple - and they are excellent. They also have wool caps and jackets. You should call to get on their mailing list even if you can't afford their prices. Anton " 2846,7,"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine. Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes: > Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why >my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, >but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts. i guess toyota didn't care about ""little"" details like that when they can brag about the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling. myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no balance shafts.. it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you ever want a halfway decent engine. if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do except to sell it and get a V6. eliot " 2847,10,"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept. Distribution: usa In article Anna Matyas writes: >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, ""These guys are pretty good announcers."" (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) Did your boyfriend comment on the fact that Clement looks like a walking ad for Brillo pad hair replacement therapy? The guy's just a stuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie Meeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day. George -- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 " 2848,9,"From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson) Subject: The Bob Dylan Baseball Abstract Organization: School of MPCE, Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Reposted, without permission, from rec.music.dylan: In article <1993Apr9.152336.14605@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, BUCK@vax.museum.upenn.edu wrote: > > For those of you who like both Bob and baseball, check out the > current Village Voice (April 13), p.141. John Lammers and Hart > Seely have written The Bob Dylan Baseball Abstract, and they have > covered every team in both leagues. > > Example: > Colorado. An' the silent bats will shatter. From the scores between > the lines. For they're one too many castoffs. And a thousand runs > behind. > > Rebecca > buck@vax.museum.upenn.edu Gerry Myerson " 2849,3,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Alan Hinds Subject: Disk data compression and Interleave Lines: 5 Does anyone have enough experience to report whether disk data compression has any effect on the optimal disk sector interleave? Offhand, I expect that the time required to decompress disk data would increase the optimum disk sector interleave. - Alan Hinds " 2850,4,"From: dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) Subject: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Distribution: usa Organization: Unisys UNIX Portation Center, Blue Bell, PA Lines: 36 I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the following (from 1st to 6th): 486 68040 386 68030 286 68020 While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: 68060 Pentium PowerPC And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz Thanks very much. I'd appreciate hearing any further explanations from any experienced folks out there, too! P.S. Folks have been having trouble replying to me lately with the ""reply"" command. Try typing my address by hand and it should work. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DAVE KITABJIAN (kit-ahb'-jyin) Vital Statistics: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |||||| K-10 East Garden Way Favorite guitarist : Phil Keaggy | @ @ | Dayton, NJ 08810 Favorite computer : Macintosh c < c (908) 274-0892 Spaghetti preference : Semi-broken \ O / tredysvr!ubbpc!dhk@ TP installation pref. : Over the top \__/ GVLS1.VFL.paramax.com Favorite book : Bible Favorite Rush Limbaugh commercial : Taxula, Part III Favorite contradiction : ""Pro-child -- Pro-choice."" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2851,3,"From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring) Subject: 486/66DX2 (ISA) vs. 486/50DX2 (EISA) Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 18 Hello, Can anyone give me their opinion on which system has got the best overall system performance; 486/66DX2 with ISA-BUS or 486/50DX2 with EISA-BUS The systems are equal in all other areas. Thanks in advance -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jesper honig spring, spring@diku.dk | IF ANIMALS BELIEVED IN GOD university of copenhagen, denmark | THE DEVIL WOULD BE A MAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2852,10,"From: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu (John Horstman) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr15.181531.26088 Reply-To: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: dead.duc.auburn.edu In article KKq@acsu.buffalo.edu, v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes... >> >>If the Penguins get out of the Patrick, they will win the >>cup. However, their hardest task is to get out of that division. >>I'm sure that Washington will most definitly throw a rench into the >>Penguin plans. I'm a Canucks fan (not that I think much of their >>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. > >I was under the impression that the Penguins has had the Caps number for >most of the season. > >> >> >> >>=============================================******>> >> >> Mathew Tasalloti >> MPR Teltech Ltd. >> Vancouver, BC, Canada >> >> <<******================================================== >******************************************************************************** >Of course no one asked me, I always interject my opinions on matters I have no >concern over. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Go Islanders, Playoffs here we come >Go Jets for '93 >******************************************************************************** And last year the Capitals had the Pens number up until about game 3 of the playoffs. John Horstmann " 2853,5,"From: andre@bae.bellcore.com (Andre Cosma) Subject: Is authentication a planned feature for X11R6? Nntp-Posting-Host: broccoli.bae.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: na Lines: 15 Greetings, My question is whether the upcoming release of X11R6 will provide (strong) authentication between the X clients and server(s). If so, will this feature be based on the Kerberos authentication mechanism (and, if so, will Kerberos Version 5 be used)? Please reply via email. Thanks, --Andre -- Andre S. Cosma | RRC 1N-215 | Bellcore - Security and andre@bae.bellcore.com | 444 Hoes Lane | Data Services (908) 699-8441 | Piscataway, NJ 08854| ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2854,16,"From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: Impeach Clinton, Reno Organization: Michigan Tech Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: physerver.phy.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] On 21 Apr 93 02:59:52 GMT, Glenn R. Stone (gs26@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote: > Fact: It is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of > law; where death is involved, this offense carries a penalty > of life in prison. Title 18, 241 and/or 242 seem to apply. 241 is conspiracy (two or more persons) against rights of citizens. 242 is deprivation of rights under color of law. Both call for up to life in prison if death occurs. Reno, Bentsen, and Clinton are probably all principals to the crime (as they are responsible for authorized actions on the part of their subordinates). > Conclusion: We have NO CHOICE, if we are an honest people, but to > impeach Mr. Clinton, and remove Reno from office. You forgot one detail, they should be turned over to the Texas authorities for trial, as the crime was committed there (Article 4, section 2). -- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- ""...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."" Thomas Jefferson, 1821 " 2855,2,"From: csyphers@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Syphers) Subject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows?? Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes: > I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode > (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode > the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a > way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to > excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to > MS Windows world. > Thanks. > (Please include this message for reference) > ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== > (919)515-8063 (W) The control box of the Window itself (upper left corner of the window, single click, am I being too simplistic?) has a font option. The 8 X 12 is about the biggest one I can use without the characters turning funky. Hpoe this helps. " 2856,14,"From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Keywords: Galileo, JPL Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh286 Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England Lines: 17 In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: |> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to |> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? Thanks, Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 Belle Vue Court |""They're unfriendly, which | Home: 0684 564438 32 Belle Vue Terrace | is fortunate, really. They'd | Away: 0628 784351 Great Malvern | be difficult to like."" | Work: 0628 794137 Worcestershire | | WR14 4PZ | Kerr Avon, Blake's Seven | Temporary: agc@bnr.ca England | | Permanent: alan@gid.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2857,13,"From: etxmow@garbo.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Nntp-Posting-Host: garboc29.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Lines: 15 Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a painless and effective treatment. A couple of weeks ago I visited a hospital here in Stockholm and saw big signs showing the way to the ""Kidney stone chrusher"" ... Mats Winberg Stockholm, Sweden " 2858,6,"Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl From: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king) Reply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz Distribution: world Organization: Wibble X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 14 Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote: : Men Without Hats - ""Folk of the 80's (Part III)"" - vinyl Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of Men without Hats, ""Pop goes the world!"" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD... please contact me, we wish to purchase it! |o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz )() |o| | | |U |\ It's late (again)... | | |o| |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o| " 2859,10,"From: jyturunen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne03.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. In article , rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick > of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the > Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and > ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, > and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other > teams is getting worse as well. I'm sick too watching all-american names like GRETZKY etc. Which names you accept ? Sitting bull and dances with wolves ? It is North America. What are you doing here ? Jyri " 2860,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. they still mine coal in the midwest, but now it doesn't look like the moon when theyare done. pat " 2861,5,"From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) Subject: Dell 2.2 EISA Video Cards Organization: GatorNet, Lake Mary, Florida Lines: 4 Does XFree86 support any EISA video cards under Dell 2.2? -- Larry Snyder larry@gator.rn.com " 2862,12,"From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) Subject: correction of last followup re relays Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr20.102756.1709@mala.bc.ca>, wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes: > In article , alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >> In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >>>most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and >>>nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks. >>> >>> >>>My question is: >>> >>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. >>> >>> >>>I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part >>>numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help! >> >> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp >> out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big >> clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact >> bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching >> transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving? >> >> Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-) > > As a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer > the circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary > opening and closing of the path. > > The noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high > impedance audio circuits a resistive ""T"" is constructed close to characteristic > impedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers > the audio. > > In low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are > shorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic > impedance. > > Sometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used > to momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time. > > Telephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to ""Make before > break and Vica Versa"" but I haven't seen any of these for years. > > Nowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc. > > A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists > of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is > off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers > passing the audio. Once again this device in a ""T"" switches the audio. Varying > the lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and > you have a mixer! > > Lots of luck! > -- > 73, Tom > ================================================================================ > Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia > (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle > Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 > > I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) > ================================================================================ -- 73, Tom ================================================================================ Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) ================================================================================ " 2863,11,"Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption From: oleg@gd.cs.CSUFresno.EDU (Oleg Kibirev) Distribution: na Organization: Computer Science Departement of California State University inFresno Nntp-Posting-Host: gd.cs.csufresno.edu In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT Lines: 299 In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: Here is an article I found today in comp.security.misc. I'll send my reply in a separate post to comp.off.eff.org so thayt you guys can get original text. Have fun! ;( Oleg Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.1B5 17/9/92 VAX/VMS V5.5-2; site nic.csu.net Path: nic.csu.net!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!decwrl!uunet!dove!csrc.ncsl.nist.gov!clipper Newsgroups: comp.security.misc From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Distribution: na Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Lines: 280 Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. " 2864,15,"From: vbv@lor.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 28 In article hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes: >A similar analogy might be a medical doctor who believes that a blood >transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child whose parents are >Jehovah's Witnesses and so have conscientious objections to blood >transfusion. The doctor's efforts to persuade them to agree to a blood >transfusion could be perceived to be arrogant in precisely the same way as >Christians could be perceived to be arrogant. >The truth or otherwise of the belief that a blood transfusion is necessary >to save the life of the child is irrelevant here. What matters is that the >doctor BELIEVES it to be true, and could be seen to be trying to foce his >beliefs on the parents, and this could well be perceived as arrogance. Let me carry that a step further. Most doctors would not claim to be infallible. Indeed, they would generally admit that they could conceivably be wrong, e.g. that in this case, a blood tranfusion might not turn out to be necessary after all. However, the doctors would have enough confidence and conviction to claim, out of genuine concern, that is IS necessary. As fallible human beings, they must acknowledge the possibility that they are wrong. However, they would also say that such doubts are not reasonable, and stand by their convictions. -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. " 2865,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr7.221357.12533@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes: >> see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the >> those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. >> There is a lot of money involved. > > You keep bringing this up. But I don't understand what's in it >financially for the physician to go ahead and treat. Unless the physician >has an investment in (or is involved in some kickback scheme with) the >home infusion company, where is the financial gain for the doctor? Well, let me put it this way, based on my own experience. A general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases, by establishing links to the ""Lyme community"", treating patients who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they have lyme as if they did, saying that diseases such as MS are probably spirochetal, if not Lyme, giving talks at meetings of users groups, validating the feelings of even delusional patients, etc. This GP can go from being a run-of-the-mill $100K/yr GP to someone with lots of patients in the hospital and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his office, and making lots of bread. Also getting the adulation of many who believe his is their only hope (if not of cure, then of control) and seeing his name in publications put out by support groups, etc. This is a definite temptation. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2866,10,"From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) writes: > With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the >cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. > They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey >Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was >rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 >years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some >good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem >winning in May. I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible 4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech! Here's to Cup #23...this year! -- Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" ----------------- ""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai " 2867,2,"From: 10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) Subject: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG Lines: 12 Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. HARDWARE: AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD AMI BIOS 91 CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA PLEASE HELP!!! ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!! " 2868,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Re: About this 'Center for Policy Resea Nf-ID: #R:1qu75d$256@usenet.ins.cwru.edu:-1462127590:cdp:1483500350:000:1634 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 21 04:21:00 1993 Lines: 33 It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige. My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables' (at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go to Palestine due to many cynical factors. I have meanwhile settled in Iceland (30 years ago) and met many people who were thrown out from my homeland, Palestine, because of the same reason (they belonged to the 'indesirables'). These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare not Jews. My conscience does not accept such injustice, period. My work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism from Israel. The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal. The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal institution and works with minimal funds. Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe. I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful. Elias Davidsson ICELAND " 2869,7,"From: jobin@server.uwindsor.ca (Scarecrow) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 37 seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen) > 85 Mph speedos -- esp. the electronic ones. > > The digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in > the middle of the dash -- everything was digital except the stinking clock? The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would read all the way up to 187kph. At this point the stock anemic 302 would get short of breath. This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet I really coulda confused this thing if I'd toyed with the engine and rolled the stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199). I've gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though. My girlfriend had a '85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio. Go figure... usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator) > I love the keyless entry on my T-Bird; it's great for those times that > I had to stop to put air in my tires. I could get out and lock the door > with the engine running while I ran around to air up the tire. It also I had a great feature on my T-bird.... I could pull the key out and leave the ignition on. This scared the hell out of me the first time it happened but I kinda grew to like it. Musta been a bad key copy or something. Mark Novakovic ----- ""There is no god up in the sky tonight __ _ no sign of heaven anywhere in sight"" -nin /_/\/\ ""Jesus loves ya. Blow me."" _ _ __ _ _ \_\ / -- In tribute to my former / \/ \ /||\ / \|\ / \\ / /_/ \ area supervisor Jim Bonneau \ / / || \__/ | \/ \\ / \_\/\ \ and the infamous Bonneau Math \\ /__||_/ \ |_/\ / \ / / \_\/ (demoted not departed) \_/ \_// || \__ \_/| \ \_/ \/ \/ Ministry " 2870,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7 In-Reply-To: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 11:21:34 GMT <1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com> <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes: Just a question. As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) The US doesn't yet have many laws covering BBSs - they're not common carriers, they're not phone companies, they're just private machines or services operated by businesses. There's no obligation to keep records. As Perry Metzger points out, if the police come with a search warrant, you have to let them see what the warrant demands, if it exists, and they generally can confiscate the equipment as ""evidence"" (which is not Constitutionally valid, but we're only beginning to develop court cases supporting us). A court MAY be able to compel you to tell them information you know, such as the encryption password for the disk - there aren't any definitive cases yet, since it's a new situation, and there probably aren't laws specifically covering it. But the court can't force you to *know* the keys, and there are no laws preventing you from allowing your users to have their own keys for their own files without giving them to you. Even in areas that do have established law, there is uncertainty. There was a guy in Idaho a few years ago who had his business records subpoenaed as evidence for taxes or some other business-restriction law, so he gave the court the records. Which were in Hebrew. The US doesn't have laws forcing you to keep your records in English, and these were the originals of the records. HE didn't speak Hebrew, and neither did anybody in the court organization. Don't think they were able to do much about it. It might be illegal for your BBS to deny access to potential customers based on race, religion, national origin, gender, or sexual preference; it probably hasn't been tested in court, but it seems like a plausible extension of anti-discrimination laws affecting other businesses. -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 2871,18,"From: mfriedma@us.oracle.com (Michael Friedman) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Nntp-Posting-Host: hqsun4.us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA Distribution: usa X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr14.231117.21872@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >In article , phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes... >>Correct. JFK was quite disgusting in that way. The reports of the women that >>he coerced via power of the office are now in the dozens. Today, we';d >>call for immediate resignation for that kind of behaviour. >I guess coercing women into having sex is MUCH worse than stealing, breaking >and entering, rigging national elections, starting secret wars that kill >hundreds of thousands, and using the powers of your office for personal >gain like Nixon did. NOT! Garrett, you are a really pathetic liar. Some of your charges are arguable, but most of them are obvious lies. I challenge you to present us with any evidence that Nixon stole, rigged a national election, never mind elections, or used the powers of his office for personal gain. You can't because there is absolutely no evidence that any of these events occurred. >>Along with normalized relations with the PRC. >""Normalizing relations"" with Cambodia? You must be joking. We sponsored >the OVERTHROW of the Cambodian government. After repeated failed attempts >of course. Your sad level of historical and political knowlege is probably best exemplified by the fact that you think PRC stands for Cambodia instead of Red China. " 2872,4,"From: rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) Subject: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.8.248.12 Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas Lines: 12 I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part number yet. Does anyone know what the part number for this drive is and when it will be available? My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply I'm not going to use. -Rodney Jacks (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) " 2873,12,"From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON) Subject: Re: History question Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 23 In article <2775@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: >This is vague, so I am posting it in case anyone else knows more. > >I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. >Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the >pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder NASA and related agencies apparently used this same principles to create the loudest reported reproduced sound. They used an ""analog"" electrically controlled valve to control the flow of air across a horn throat. If I remember correctly it was called a ""modulated air blast transducer"". There were reports of the thing being able to produce 106 dB @ 80 Hz @ 10 mile distance, communicate directly with fighter pilots @ 5000 ft, etc. Regards, Gordon. -- WATERS,CLYDE GORDON-BME '93-Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta Ga. ""Out of the mountain of despair, we can hew the stone of hope""- MLK Jr. uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0869a Internet: gt0869a@prism.gatech.edu " 2874,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 40 In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> |> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to |> rock |> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... |> |> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and |> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. |> |> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know |> for |> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... |> church |> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should |> I just |> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or |> should I |> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my |> likely |> passenger? My rule of thumb is ""Don't give rides to people that wear a bigger helmet than you"", unless your taste runs that way, or they are family.friends. Gee, reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything else she wanted ;-> -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 2875,9,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: harry and candy Article-I.D.: netcom.ericsC52qLD.6L2 Distribution: world,local Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 24 f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes: >RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes: >> i'm watching a cubs-rockies spring training game, and i thought you'd >> all like to know the particular way that harry caray butchers ""maldonado"". >> it seems to be ""mal-n-dal-nado"". >But I like the way he butchers Andres Galarraga's name. >It comes out like ""gahlah rrrraggggah"". >And don't forget his frequent references to the great SF Giant star >Bobby Bonds! What about Thaaammy Thotha? I for one was really sorry to hear that the Cubs had sent Heathcliff Slocumb to the minors! :-) ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 2876,9,"From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo) Subject: Re: Royals Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Distribution: na Lines: 20 In randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: >The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time. >When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front >from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and >all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely >doomed. >Other than that, I guess they're OK. Oh, lighten up. What depresses me is that they might actually finish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in 1970. Never mind that Gubizca is 0-2 with a 16.50 ERA, Gardner at 7.50, our main recent acquisitions (Lind, McReynolds, Jose) are averaging .210, David Cone is 0-2 (about how he was doing in KC before joining the Mets several years ago), our hitting sucks, and our pitching has collapsed, and we've won one game at home; they've won more games in their first ten games than last year, and Brian McRae is actually batting over the Mendoza line! rich. " 2877,4,"From: umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu (Mathew Scott Smith) Subject: Axion Serial port switcher: Good or bad? Organization: Drexel University Lines: 26 Hi! I'm looking into buying a serial port switcher, because while my Mac has two serial ports, I have AppleTalk, a modem, a printer, MIDI, and a sound digitizer. (2 != 5, unfortunately.) Specifically, I'm looking at the Axion electronic switcher, because it seems to be fairly cheap. (About $128 at MacZone.) Does anyone know anything about it? I've heard that with most of these things you can still only use 2 serial ports at a time, it just prevents you from physically swapping cables. Although I've also heard that programs that use the Comm Toolbox may be able to use as many serial ports as they want; does anyone know if this is true with the Axion switchbox? Finally, if the Axion stinks, or if you're using something else that you think is good, I'd be interested in hearing about other products. I would like to spend under $140, if possible. Please reply through mail; I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup. If there's interest, I can post a summary of replies. Thanks a lot! M. Scott Smith (umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu) " 2878,10,From: khettry@r1w2.pub.utk.edu (23064RFL) Subject: Testing!!! Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Just Testing!! Distribution: usa Lines: 1 2879,19,"From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Grendel Grettisson) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: The Friends of Loki Society Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1qsqar$n8m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > >In a previous article, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) says: > >> >>ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the >>Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is >>the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. >> > > Just wondering, do you mean the ""Lectorium Rosicrucianum""? >Warning: There is no point in arguing who's ""legit"" and who's not. *WHICH* >Golden Dawn are you talking about? Which Golden Dawn? How about the original from 100 years ago? > Just for the sake of argument, (reflecting NO affiliation) >I am going to say that the TRUE Rosicrucian Order is the Fraternitas >Rosae Crucis in Quakertown, Penn., > > Any takers? :-) No. No Rosicrucian would ever admit or deny being such. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson " 2880,8,"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr15.232009.8534@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes: |Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel, |handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset |according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have |everything... Sure you can have everything, if by ""everything"" you mean fast straight line performance AND handling - present day liter sport bikes have more horsepower and have faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than the V-max... Plus, they corner just a bit better... | Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards |of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days. Very true. Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 ""But, this one goes to *eleven*..."" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_ " 2881,10,"From: klaty@atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu (Brad Alan Klaty) Subject: Goalies Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu Originator: klaty@atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu I've heard that you can score on Belfour by shooting high because he goes down a lot, and on Potvin by shooting high on him and then getting the rebound in because he plays so deep in the net. Any truth to these? Brad A Wings fan, but no predictions. " 2882,14,"Subject: Space FAQ 05/15 - References From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:56:44 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 665 Archive-name: space/references Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:21 $ REFERENCES ON SPECIFIC AREAS PUBLISHERS OF SPACE/ASTRONOMY MATERIAL Astronomical Society of the Pacific 1290 24th Avenue San Francisco, CA 94122 More expensive but better organized slide sets. Cambridge University Press 32 East 57th Street New York, NY 10022 Crawford-Peters Aeronautica P.O. Box 152528 San Diego, CA 92115 (619) 287-3933 An excellent source of all kinds of space publications. They publish a number of catalogs, including: Aviation and Space, 1945-1962 Aviation and Space, 1962-1990 Space and Related Titles European Southern Observatory Information and Photographic Service Dr R.M. West Karl Scharzschild Strasse 2 D-8046 Garching bei Munchen FRG Slide sets, posters, photographs, conference proceedings. Finley Holiday Film Corporation 12607 East Philadelphia Street Whittier, California 90601 (213)945-3325 (800)FILMS-07 Wide selection of Apollo, Shuttle, Viking, and Voyager slides at ~50 cents/slide. Call for a catalog. Hansen Planetarium (Utah) Said to hold sales on old slide sets. Look in Sky & Telescope for contact info. Lunar and Planetary Institute 3303 NASA Road One Houston, TX 77058-4399 Technical, geology-oriented slide sets, with supporting booklets. John Wiley & Sons 605 Third Avenue New York, NY 10158-0012 Sky Publishing Corporation PO Box 9111 Belmont, MA 02178-9111 Offers ""Sky Catalogue 2000.0"" on PC floppy with information (including parallax) for 45000 stars. Roger Wheate Geography Dept. University of Calgary, Alberta Canada T2N 1N4 (403)-220-4892 (403)-282-7298 (FAX) wheate@uncamult.bitnet Offers a 40-slide set called ""Mapping the Planets"" illustrating recent work in planetary cartography, comes with a booklet and information on getting your own copies of the maps. $50 Canadian, shipping included. Superintendent of Documents US Government Printing Office Washington, DC 20402 Univelt, Inc. P. O. Box 28130 San Diego, Ca. 92128 Publishers for the American Astronomical Society. US Naval Observatory 202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem) 202-653-1507 General Willmann-Bell P.O. Box 35025 Richmond, Virginia 23235 USA (804)-320-7016 9-5 EST M-F CAREERS IN THE SPACE INDUSTRY In 1990 the Princeton Planetary Society published the first edition of ""Space Jobs: The Guide to Careers in Space-Related Fields."" The publication was enormously successful: we distributed 2000 copies to space enthusiasts across the country and even sent a few to people in Great Britain, Australia, and Ecuador. Due to the tremendous response to the first edition, PPS has published an expanded, up-to-date second edition of the guide. The 40-page publication boasts 69 listings for summer and full-time job opportunities as well as graduate school programs. The second edition of ""Space Jobs"" features strategies for entering the space field and describes positions at consulting and engineering firms, NASA, and non-profit organizations. The expanded special section on graduate schools highlights a myriad of programs ranging from space manufacturing to space policy. Additional sections include tips on becoming an astronaut and listings of NASA Space Grant Fellowships and Consortia, as well as NASA Centers for the Commercial Development of Space. To order send check or money order made payable to Princeton Planetary Society for $4 per copy, plus $1 per copy for shipping and handling (non-US customers send an International Money Order payable in US dollars) to: Princeton Planetary Society 315 West College Princeton University Princeton, NJ 08544 DC-X SINGLE-STAGE TO ORBIT (SSTO) PROGRAM SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present. An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by anonymous FTP or email server in the directory bongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub/delta-clipper Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive. HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON Official names are decided by committees of the International Astronomical Union, and are not for sale. There are purely commercial organizations which will, for a fee, send you pretty certificates and star maps describing where to find ""your"" star. These organizations have absolutely no standing in the astronomical community and the names they assign are not used by anyone else. It's also likely that you won't be able to see ""your"" star without binoculars or a telescope. See the back pages of Astronomy or other amateur astronomy publications for contact info; one such organization may be found at: International Star Registry 34523 Wilson Road Ingleside, IL 60041 This is not an endorsement of ISR. LLNL ""GREAT EXPLORATION"" The LLNL ""Great Exploration"", a plan for an on-the-cheap space station, Lunar base, and Mars mission using inflatable space structures, excited a lot of interest on the net and still comes up from time to time. Some references cited during net discussion were: Avation Week Jan 22, 1990 for an article on the overall Great Exploration NASA Assessment of the LLNL Space Exploration Proposal and LLNL Responses by Dr. Lowell Wood LLNL Doc. No. SS 90-9. Their address is: PO Box 808 Livermore, CA 94550 (the NASA authors are unknown). Briefing slides of a presentation to the NRC last December may be available. Write LLNL and ask. Conceptual Design Study for Modular Inflatable Space Structures, a final report for purchase order B098747 by ILC Dover INC. I don't know how to get this except from LLNL or ILC Dover. I don't have an address for ILC. LUNAR PROSPECTOR Lunar Exploration Inc. (LEI) is a non-profit corporation working on a privately funded lunar polar orbiter. Lunar Prospector is designed to perform a geochemical survey and search for frozen volatiles at the poles. A set of reference files describing the project is available in ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/LEI/* LUNAR SCIENCE AND ACTIVITIES Grant H Heiken, David T Vaniman, and Bevan M French (editors), ""Lunar Sourcebook, A User's Guide to the Moon"", Cambridge University Press 1991, ISBN 0-521-33444-6; hardcover; expensive. A one-volume encyclopedia of essentially everything known about the Moon, reviewing current knowledge in considerable depth, with copious references. Heavy emphasis on geology, but a lot more besides, including considerable discussion of past lunar missions and practical issues relevant to future mission design. *The* reference book for the Moon; all others are obsolete. Wendell Mendell (ed), ""Lunar Bases and Space Activities of the 21st Century"", $15. ""Every serious student of lunar bases *must* have this book"" - Bill Higgins. Available from: Lunar and Planetary Institute 3303 NASA Road One Houston, TX 77058-4399 If you want to order books, call (713)486-2172. Thomas A. Mutch, ""Geology of the Moon: A Stratigraphic View"", Princeton University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions, including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by various Orbiters. ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is available by anonymous FTP in: ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/Satellites SPACECRAFT MODELS ""Space in Miniature #2: Gemini"" by Michael J. Mackowski 1621 Waterwood Lane, St. Louis, MO 63146 $7.50 Only 34pp but enough pictures & diagrams to interest more than just the modelling community, I feel. Marco's Miniatures of Dracut, Mass. have produced a 1/144 Skylab in an edition of 500 & a 1/48 Lunar Rover (same scale as Monogram and Revell Lunar Modules) in a similar edition. Prices are $45 for Skylab, $24 for LRV. Check with them for postage etc. I have no connection with them, but have found their service to be good and their stock of rare/old kits *is* impressive. Prices range from reasonable ($35 for Monogram 1/32 scale Apollo CSM with cutaway details) to spectacular ($145 for Airfix Vostok). Four Star Collectibles P.O. Box 658 Dracut Mass 01826, USA. (508)-957-0695. Voyager, HST, Viking, Lunar Rover etc. kits from: Lunar Models 5120 Grisham Rowlett, Texas 75088 (214)-475-4230 As reviewed by Bob Kaplow: Peter Alway's book ""Scale Model Rocketry"" is now available. Mine arrived in the mail earlier this week. To get your own copy, send $19.95 + $2.50 s/h ($22.45 total) to: Peter Alway 2830 Pittsfield Ann Arbor, MI 48104 The book includes information on collecting scale data, construction of scale models, and several handy tables. Appendicies include plans for 3 sport scale models, a 1:9.22 D Region Tomahawk (BT50), a 1/40 V-2 (BT60), and a 1/9.16 Aerobee 150A (BT55/60). I've only begun to study the book, but it certainly will be a valuable data source for many modellers. Most vehicles include several paragraphs of text describing the missions flown by the rocket, various specs including ""NAR"" engine classification, along with a dimensioned drawing, color layouts & paint pattern, and a black & white photograph. The vehicles included are the Aerobee 150A, Aerobee 300, Aerobee Hi, Arcas, Asp, Astrobee 1500, Astrobee D, Atlas Centaur, Atlas-Agena, Atlas-Score, Baby WAC, D-Region Tomahawk, Deacon Rockoon, Delta B, Delta E, Gemini-Titan II, Iris, Javelin, Juno 1, Juno 2, Little Joe 1, Little Joe 2, Mercury-Atlas, Mercury-Redstone, Nike-Apache, Nike-Asp, Nike-Cajun, Nike-Deacon, Nike-Tomahawk, RAM B, Saturn 1 Block 1, Saturn 1 Block 2, Saturn 1B, Saturn 5, Scout, Standard Aerobee, Terrapin, Thor-Able, Titan III C, Titan III E, Trailblazer 1, V-2, Vanguard, Viking Model 1, Viking Model 2, and Wac Corporal. ROCKET PROPULSION George P. Sutton, ""Rocket Propulsion Elements"", 5th edn, Wiley-Interscience 1986, ISBN 0-471-80027-9. Pricey textbook. The best (nearly the only) modern introduction to the technical side of rocketry. A good place to start if you want to know the details. Not for the math-shy. Straight chemical rockets, essentially nothing on more advanced propulsion (although earlier editions reportedly had some coverage). Dieter K. Huzel and David H. Huang, ""Design of Liquid Propellant Rocket Engines"", NASA SP-125. NTIS N71-29405 PC A20/MF A01 1971 461p Out of print; reproductions may be obtained through the NTIS (expensive). The complete and authoritative guide to designing liquid-fuel engines. Reference #1 in most chapters of Sutton. Heavy emphasis on practical issues, what works and what doesn't, what the typical values of the fudge factors are. Stiff reading, massive detail; written for rocket engineers by rocket engineers. SPACECRAFT DESIGN Brij N. Agrawal, ""Design of Geosynchronous Spacecraft"", Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-200114-4. James R. Wertz ed, ""Spacecraft Attitude Determination and Control"", Kluwer, ISBN 90-277-1204-2. P.R.K. Chetty, ""Satellite Technology and its Applications"", McGraw-Hill, ISBN 0-8306-9688-1. James R. Wertz and Wiley J. Larson (editors), ""Space Mission Analysis and Design"", Kluwer Academic Publishers (Dordrecht/Boston/London) 1991, ISBN 0-7923-0971-5 (paperback), or 0-7923-0970-7 (hardback). This looks at system-level design of a spacecraft, rather than detailed design. 23 chapters, 4 appendices, about 430 pages. It leads the reader through the mission design and system-level design of a fictitious earth-observation satellite, to illustrate the principles that it tries to convey. Warning: although the book is chock-full of many useful reference tables, some of the numbers in at least one of those tables (launch costs for various launchers) appear to be quite wrong. Can be ordered by telephone, using a credit card; Kluwer's phone number is (617)-871-6600. Cost $34.50. ESOTERIC PROPULSION SCHEMES (SOLAR SAILS, LASERS, FUSION...) This needs more and more up-to-date references, but it's a start. ANTIMATTER: ""Antiproton Annihilation Propulsion"", Robert Forward AFRPL TR-85-034 from the Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (AFRPL/XRX, Stop 24, Edwards Air Force Base, CA 93523-5000). NTIS AD-A160 734/0 PC A10/MF A01 PC => Paper copy, A10 => $US57.90 -- or maybe Price Code? MF => MicroFiche, A01 => $US13.90 Technical study on making, holding, and using antimatter for near-term (30-50 years) propulsion systems. Excellent bibliography. Forward is the best-known proponent of antimatter. This also may be available as UDR-TR-85-55 from the contractor, the University of Dayton Research Institute, and DTIC AD-A160 from the Defense Technical Information Center, Defense Logistics Agency, Cameron Station, Alexandria, VA 22304-6145. And it's also available from the NTIS, with yet another number. ""Advanced Space Propulsion Study, Antiproton and Beamed Power Propulsion"", Robert Forward AFAL TR-87-070 from the Air Force Astronautics Laboratory, DTIC #AD-A189 218. NTIS AD-A189 218/1 PC A10/MF A01 Summarizes the previous paper, goes into detail on beamed power systems including "" 1) pellet, microwave, and laser beamed power systems for intersteller transport; 2) a design for a near-relativistic laser-pushed lightsail using near-term laser technology; 3) a survey of laser thermal propulsion, tether transportation systems, antiproton annihilation propulsion, exotic applications of solar sails, and laser-pushed interstellar lightsails; 4) the status of antiproton annihilation propulsion as of 1986; and 5) the prospects for obtaining antimatter ions heavier than antiprotons."" Again, there is an extensive bibliography. ""Application of Antimatter - Electric Power to Interstellar Propulsion"", G. D. Nordley, JBIS Interstellar Studies issue of 6/90. BUSSARD RAMJETS AND RELATED METHODS: G. L. Matloff and A. J. Fennelly, ""Interstellar Applications and Limitations of Several Electrostatic/Electromagnetic Ion Collection Techniques"", JBIS 30 (1977):213-222 N. H. Langston, ""The Erosion of Interstellar Drag Screens"", JBIS 26 (1973): 481-484 C. Powell, ""Flight Dynamics of the Ram-Augmented Interstellar Rocket"", JBIS 28 (1975):553-562 A. R. Martin, ""The Effects of Drag on Relativistic Spacefight"", JBIS 25 (1972):643-652 FUSION: ""A Laser Fusion Rocket for Interplanetary Propulsion"", Roderick Hyde, LLNL report UCRL-88857. (Contact the Technical Information Dept. at Livermore) Fusion Pellet design: Fuel selection. Energy loss mechanisms. Pellet compression metrics. Thrust Chamber: Magnetic nozzle. Shielding. Tritium breeding. Thermal modeling. Fusion Driver (lasers, particle beams, etc): Heat rejection. Vehicle Summary: Mass estimates. Vehicle Performance: Interstellar travel required exhaust velocities at the limit of fusion's capability. Interplanetary missions are limited by power/weight ratio. Trajectory modeling. Typical mission profiles. References, including the 1978 report in JBIS, ""Project Daedalus"", and several on ICF and driver technology. ""Fusion as Electric Propulsion"", Robert W. Bussard, Journal of Propulsion and Power, Vol. 6, No. 5, Sept.-Oct. 1990 Fusion rocket engines are analyzed as electric propulsion systems, with propulsion thrust-power-input-power ratio (the thrust-power ""gain"" G(t)) much greater than unity. Gain values of conventional (solar, fission) electric propulsion systems are always quite small (e.g., G(t)<0.8). With these, ""high-thrust"" interplanetary flight is not possible, because system acceleration (a(t)) capabilities are always less than the local gravitational acceleration. In contrast, gain values 50-100 times higher are found for some fusion concepts, which offer ""high-thrust"" flight capability. One performance example shows a 53.3 day (34.4 powered; 18.9 coast), one-way transit time with 19% payload for a single-stage Earth/Mars vehicle. Another shows the potential for high acceleration (a(t)=0.55g(o)) flight in Earth/moon space. ""The QED Engine System: Direct Electric Fusion-Powered Systems for Aerospace Flight Propulsion"" by Robert W. Bussard, EMC2-1190-03, available from Energy/Matter Conversion Corp., 9100 A. Center Street, Manassas, VA 22110. [This is an introduction to the application of Bussard's version of the Farnsworth/Hirsch electrostatic confinement fusion technology to propulsion. 1500Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue >multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, >and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably >be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the >main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. > The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense >competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will >arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the >client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, >partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). >(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't >scorn the concept.) > Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out >til '96. How does Chicago differ from the (sort of) announced Windows 4. My understand- ing, at least from the InbfoWorld accound of Windows 4 is that it's sort of NT Lite--a full-fledged operating system but lacking server and security features that make NT such a bear. Is W4 not true multithreading? " 2885,8,"From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) Subject: Contact person for boots Keywords: combat Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving me a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 1/2 D in size). These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf height boots that use only velcro for enclosure. I have phoned around and nobody seems to carry such an item. I admit I have not gone into the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck. Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as well as does mail order? Any help would be appreciated. o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> Rob Castro | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today 1983 KZ550LTD | phone - (212) 854-7617 | For today you live! DoD# NYC-1 | New York, New York, USA | RC (tm) linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes: >1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians? So, did the Jews kill the Germans? You even make Armenians laugh. ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) >2. Or was it the Armenians who massacred the Turks? Yes. To be exact, Armenians slaughtered 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. Source #1: McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. ""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS 1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 4. ""The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies"" by Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972 5. ""The Rising Crescent"" by Ernest Jackh, Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944 6. ""Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam"" by Felix Valyi, Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925 7. ""The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia"" by E. Alexander Powell, The Century Co., New York, London, 1924 8. ""Struggle for Transcaucasia"" by Feruz Kazemzadeh, Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951 9. ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey"" (2 volumes) by Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, Melbourne, 1977 10.""The Western Question in Greece and Turkey"" by Arnold J. Toynbee, Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922 11.""The Caliph's Last Heritage"" by Sir Mark Sykes, Macmillan & Co., London, 1915 12.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 (Spring 1964) 16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, Cambridge, 1953 19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, H. Fertig, New York, 1966 20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, Beirut, 1963 21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard Jaeschke 1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian Question in Turkey"") 2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul: a) Yildiz Esas Evraki b) Yildiz Perakende c) Irade Defterleri d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik a) Harb-i Umumi b) Muteferrik Kartonlar British Archives: a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports d) Foreign Office: 608 e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London. a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), ""Turkey: Treaty of Peace: 1918-1923"" b) L/P & S/10/1031, ""Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference, 1921-1923"" c) L/P & S/11/154 d) L/P & S/11/1031 French Archives Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris. a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient. c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie. Official Publications, Published Documents, Diplomatic Correspondence, Agreements, Minutes and Others A. Turkey (The Ottoman Empire and The Republic of Turkey) Akarli, E. (ed.); ""Belgelerle Tanzimat,"" (istanbul, 1978). (Gn. Kur., ATASE); ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi,"" V. XXXI (81), (Dec. 1982). ----; ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri Dergisi,"" V. XXXII (83), (Dec. 1983). Hocaoglu, M. (ed.); ""Ittihad-i Anasir-i Osmaniye Heyeti Nizamnamesi,"" (Istanbul, 1912). Meray, S. L. (trans./ed.) ""Lozan Baris Konferansi: Tutanaklar-Belgeler,"" (Ankara, 1978), 2 vols. Meray, S. L./O. Olcay (ed.); ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Cokus Belgeleri; Mondros Birakismasi, Sevr Andlasmasi, Ilgili Belgeler,"" (Ankara, 1977). (Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); ""Aspirations et Agissements Revolutionnaires des Comites Armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la Constitution Ottomane,"" (Istanbul, 1917). ----; ""Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra,"" (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Idare-i Umumiye ve Vilayet Kanunu,"" (Istanbul, 1913). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. I (Istanbul, 1914). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. II (Istanbul, 1915). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. III (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. IV (Istanbul, 1917). (Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); ""Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname,"" (Istanbul, 1915). (Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; (IV. Ordu) ""Aliye Divan-i Harbi Orfisinde Tedkik Olunan Mesele-yi Siyasiye Hakkinda Izahat,"" (Istanbul, 1916). Turkozu, H. K. (ed.); ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). ----; ""Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi Gizli Celse Zabitlari,"" (Ankara, 1985), 4 vols. Russia Adamof, E. E. (ed.); ""Sovyet Devlet Arsivi Belgeleriyle Anadolu'nun Taksimi Plani,"" (tran. H. Rahmi, ed. H. Mutlucag), (Istanbul, 1972). Altinay, A. R.; ""Iki Komite - Iki Kital,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Turkiye'de Katolik Propagandasi,"" Turk tarihi Encumeni Mecmuasi, V. XIV/82-5 (Sept. 1924). Asaf Muammer; ""Harb ve Mesulleri,"" (Istanbul, 1918). Akboy, C.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi, V. I: Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Siyasi ve Askeri Hazirliklari ve Harbe Girisi,"" (Gn. Kur., Ankara, 1970). Akgun, S.; ""General Harbord'un Anadolu Gezisi ve (Ermeni Meselesi'ne Dair) Raporu: Kurtulus Savasi Baslangicinda,"" (Istanbul, 1981). Akin, I.; ""Turk Devrim Tarihi,"" (Istanbul, 1983). Aksin, S.; ""Jon Turkler ve Ittihad ve Terakki,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Basar, Z. (ed.);""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974). ----; ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). Belen, F.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi,"" (Ankara, 1964). Deliorman, A.; ""Turklere Karsi Ermeni Komitecileri,"" (Istanbul, 1980). Ege, N. N. (ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" (Istanbul, 1977). Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" (Ankara, 1949). Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2887,5,"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: a question on window ids Keywords: windows Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 23 In article , wnk@aquifer.geology.uiuc.edu (Walter Kreiling) writes: > Given a program running on a workstation with an X based window > system, how can one pop the window in which it is running to the top. > By window I mean the terminal window from which it was invoked. One can't. The application may not have been started from a terminal emulator; if it was, the terminal emulator may not still exist, and if it does it may be in no condition to be ""pop[ped] to the top"" (eg, it may be iconified). And even if you can, it may not do what you want - consider a virtual-root window manager like tvtwm, with the relevant window in a portion of the virtual desktop that's outside the real desktop. Some (but not all) X terminal emulators provide environment variables giving a window ID. Even if such a thing is present in the environment, it may not be what you want; it may correspond to a window on a different server, for example. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu " 2888,16,"From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) Subject: Apology (was: Luser!) Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site X-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 10 I was shocked to see that the subject of my last rely to awesley was ""Luser!"" That was certainly not my intention. I meant to leave the subject line unchanged. I believe that the NNTP server I use at columbia must have put in that subject line in protest over problems with my header. That was rather rude of them, but beggars can't be choosers, I suppose. In any case, I didn't do it and I apologize to awesley for the apparent insult. --John L. Scott " 2889,11,"From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 25 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: pipa.src.umd.edu In article <1r1r3nINNebn@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article Graham Toal writes: >>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen >>to throw away her academic respectability like this. > Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with >interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing >but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether >you are the radical fringe, or I. > It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by >the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing >tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you. The people on usenet are clearly a special bunch. We live the net, which is the future of our culture. Usenetters have rapid electronic access to information. Society in general must depend on CNN. I can only hope we can make this information accessable by the public before the radical fringe, which _is_ the majority, destroys the fabric of this country. Freedom is never easily won. -Thomas " 2890,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: Dumb options list Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 21 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says: >The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you >(can) get on a car that has no earthly use? 1) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment and cabin. Feel free to add on... Regards, Charles x -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person :-) " 2891,13,"From: thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day) Subject: Re: _The Andromeda Strain_ Summary: How well does it hold up? Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems Lines: 43 In article dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes: >Just had the opportunity to watch this flick on A&E -- some 15 years >since I saw it last. Wow, the WWII channel did something not-WWII? >I was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film >for handling infectious diseases (and similar toxic substances). >Clearly they ""faked"" a lot of the computer & robotic technology; >certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction >itself, let alone the idea of a ""space germ"". The graphics capabilities of the computers were very faked for movie audiences who have not ability or patience with numbers. The book was more realistic in that respect. In all respects, actually. The robotics are still out of range, but not impossible. >Quite coincidentally [actually this is what got me wanted to see >the movie again] I watched a segment on the otherwise awful _How'd >They Do That?_ dealing with a disease researcher at the CDC's top >lab. There was description of the elaborate security measures taken >so that building will never be ""cracked"" so to speak by man or >nature (short of deliberate bombing from the air, perhaps). And >the researchers used ""spacesuits"" similar to that in the film. SF (and I""ve always wondered how Crichton escapes this classification) is usually ahead of science in both prediction and precaution. NASA's decontaimination processes were supposedly taken to prevent SF story disasters. I mean, NASA scientists were often SF readers (and sometimes writers) and felt pre-warned by their reading. >I'm curious what people think about this film -- short of ""silly"". >Is such a facility technically feasible today? I think the film still holds up among the best of SF films, but that isn't saying a whole lot. >As far as the plot, and the crystalline structure that is not Life >As We Know It, that's a whole 'nother argument for rec.arts.sf.tech >or something. Yep. " 2892,0,"From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr12.124221.22592@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: > >Oh, this all sounds so nice! Everyone helping each other and always smiling >and fluffy bunnies everywhere. Wake up! People are just not like that. It >seems evident from history that no society has succeeded when it had to rely >upon the goodwill and unselfishness of the people. Isn't it obvious from >places like Iran that even if there are only a few greedy people in society >then they are going to be attracted to positions of power? Sounds like a >recipe for disaster. > >-- > >Leonard e-mail: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk Leonard, I'll give you an example of this.... My father recently bought a business, the business price was 150,000 pounds and my father approached the people in the community for help, he raised 60,000 pounds in interest free loans from friends and relatives and Muslims he knew, 50,000 had cash and the rest he got a business loan, after paying off the Muslim lenders many of them helped him with further loans to help him clear the bank debt and save him from further intrest, this is an example of a Muslim community helping one another, why did they help because of their common identity as Muslims. In turn my father has helped with people buying houses to minimise the amount of intrest they pay and in some cases buy houses intrest free with the help of those more fortunate in the community. The fact is Leonard it DOES work without a fluffy bunny in sight! iThat is the beauty of Islam. Mas -- C I T I Z E N +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ _____ _____ | C A D E N C E D E S I G N S Y S T E M S Inc. | \_/ | Masud Ahmed Khan mas@cadence.com All My Opinions| _____/ \_____ +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ " 2893,17,"From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES In-Reply-To: henrik@quayle.kpc.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:45:17 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: vein.cs.rochester.edu Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu> <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu> <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: [stuff deleted] > Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the > KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it is a part of it. >The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived >in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS >BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending >themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them within their borders? [...] > At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH > crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians are attacking Azeri towns. Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's going to cause incessant skirmishes. Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better to keep the bad blood between them minimal? If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of their blood and future. It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading inflammatory half-truths. cheers, BM " 2894,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: The battle is joined Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: >It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the >Administration even sooner than we feared. I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved. If this guess is wrong, I apologize. PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 2895,7,From: hkon@mit.edu (Henry Kon) Subject: sunroof leaks - I'm all wet Organization: MIT Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: msiegel.mit.edu My sunroof leaks. I've always thought those things were a royal pain. Can anyone provide any insight ? I know the seal isn't great. Maybe I could weld the stupid thing shut. hk 2896,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 17 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes: >Ashtrays and cigarette lighters. These should be an *option*. GM, at least, is heading in that direction. One of the post-sale questions they asked me was if I'd like the choice of a cigarette liter or an accessory plug, and another whether I'd like the choice of an ashtray or a cup holder. The '93 Geo Storms have the cigarette lighter vs accessory plug option (which did not exist in the '92 I bought) -- I'm not sure about the ash tray vs cup holder. It's a step in the right direction. The ashtray does make a convenient change-holder so it's not completely useless. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 2897,7,"From: sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joel Sprechman ) Subject: Cleaning EuroWiper Boots? Organization: UB Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu I have the EuroWiper boots in White and had to throw away the first pair since I found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black. Now I have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty. I need a way to clean them w/o removing them since I had to cut them to remove them, is there a way? Or should I just buy black ones? thanks -Joel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Sprechman sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu University at Buffalo v069pff7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu ""It's not a black/white thing, it's a homosapian thing"" ""It takes a big man to cry, and an even bigger man to laugh at that man"" -Jack Handy " 2898,17,"From: gfeygin@unicorn.eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin) Subject: Kol Israel Broacasts Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto Lines: 5 Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated GF " 2899,6,"From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: CD'S FOR SALE Lines: 22 Organization: University of Lowell Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated which includes shipping and handling. Achtung baby U2 * Joshua tree U2 ** The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12 Love hurts Cher * Garth brooks Garth brooks * Red hot ..chilli peppers.. ** OOOOOHHHHH TLC ** Light and shadows wilson ** * Used only once. ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps Please email to kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu " 2900,1,"From: spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas) Subject: Re: cylinder and ray Organization: University of Michigan HSITN Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: guraldi.itn.med.umich.edu In-reply-to: katkere@krusty.eecs.umich.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:04:23 GMT Sketch: Rotate so cylinder axis is || Z axis. Intersect X/Y projection of line with projected cylinder (similar to, but easier than, sphere intersection). Result: no intersection, one intersection, or two intersections, parameterized along line by t0 and t1. Now look at Z, and compute intersections of line with top and bottom planes of cylinder. This gives t0' and t1'. The interval of intersection is then the bit of the line from [t0,t1] INTERSECT [t0',t1']. Details left as an exercise for the reader. =S -- =Spencer W. Thomas | Info Tech and Networking, B1911 CFOB, 0704 ""Genome Informatician"" | Univ of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Spencer.W.Thomas@med.umich.edu | 313-764-8065, FAX 313-764-4133 " 2901,3,"From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) Subject: Re: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard Keywords: 486, motherboard Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Distribution: usa Lines: 36 In article korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes: >In article schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes: >>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with >>HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)? >>Any information would be helpful! >>thanks >>Brian J Schaufenbuel > > >I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset >is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The >HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this >reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look- >ing to replace it for exactly this reason. > >Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard >manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA >DMA. > >Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using >mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a >EISA SCSI host adapter. > >-- >Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com) >Network Management Technology Incorporated >Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357 You are correct! The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says that they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks... -- _______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ | Brian J Schaufenbuel [ ""There is no art which one government sooner learns ] | Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] | Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]."" - Adam Smith ] " 2902,8,"From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Please Gentlemen Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 21 In article <5036@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: >In article <18843.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> grant.barkwell@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Barkwell) writes: >> >>CP>Too my certain knowledge, simply posessing a motorcycle >>CP>can get you ""laid"". >> >>True! Oh so very thankfully true! > >Gentlemen; > > Please do us all a rather appropriate favor and excuse the >comments about your sexual fortunes on the net. It is hardly an Tod, I think you've misspoke. If they're banking on owning a motorcycle to get them laid, then I doubt they have sexual fortunes. Quite the reverse... -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" " 2903,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Space Advertising (2 of 2) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: >the ""Environmental >Billboard"" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to >804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area, >deployed by the inflatable 'frame'. > To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for >maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry ""ozone reading >sensors"" to ""continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's >delicate protective ozone layer,"" according to Mike Lawson, head of >SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum >exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's >atmosphere. According to IMI, ""as the biodegradable material burns, >it will release ozone-building components that will literally >replenish the ozone layer."" ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ Can we assume that this guy studied advertising and not chemistry? Granted it probably a great advertising gimic, but it doesn't sound at all practical. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 2904,7,"From: hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: >bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Woody"" Moss) writes: > >>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in >>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring >>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot >>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil >>though. > >You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get >an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to >punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water ^^^^^^^^ >on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-) > >-Steve Gee, you really make me confused. What is radiator? Where is it located? What does it look like? Will it release any radiation (since it sounds like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes? hanguyen " 2905,5,"From: mbheprg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Raju Gurung) Subject: Re: Converting contents of X-window to color postscript Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept Manchester University Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeff Haferman (haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote: > Can somebody point me to source code for dumping the contents of > an X-window into a color postscript file? I have written > an app which brings up an X-window, and I want (at the click > of the mouse) to dump the window into a postscript file. > Thanks. > Jeff Haferman internet: haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu > Department of Mechanical Engineering DoD 0186 BMWMOA 44469 AMA 460140 > The University of Iowa > Iowa City, IA 52242 '76 R90S I use xwd and xwd2ps. To do it from within a program I use xwd -id xxxxx where xxxxx is the window id obtained from XtWindow(widget). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Raju Gurung, I.T. 109, I.T. Building, Dept. of Electrical Eng., | | University of Manchester, Oxford Rd, Manchester, U.K. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2906,8,"From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) Subject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes... > When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put >the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a >LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo. ^^^^ Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now. But do I have to break a leg to use it? (When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches to the back of the bike & riding to the lab. It was my right ankle, but the bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.) Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. ""Beware drainage ditches on firetrails"" DoD #484 " 2907,1,"From: lasse@mits.mdata.fi (Lasse Reinikainen) Subject: Re: WANTED: Multi-page GIF!! Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland Nntp-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.053250.24854@worak.kaist.ac.kr> stjohn@math1.kaist.ac.kr (Ryou Seong Joon) writes: >Hi!... > >I am searching for packages that could handle Multi-page GIF >files... If you are looking for viewer try VPIC60 __________________ __ \_________________|)____.---'--`---.____ || \----.________.----/ || / / `--' lasse@mits.mdata.fi __||____/ /_ |___ \ `--------' " 2908,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Keywords: Dan Bissell bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: >First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. Well, this is alt.atheism. I hope you arent here to try to convert anyone. >It makes sense to be one. Many would disagree. [...] >The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Well, you shouldn't give any particular book too much weight. Actually, I don't think that any of these statements is correct. It is more likely that most of Jesus' fame was attributed to him after his death by those who had some strong motives... [...] >Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. What's a prophecy, and what's so significant about them? >I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. I think we understand. >It is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. Well, sell your computer and donate you life to your religion now... Don't waste any time. keith " 2909,4,"Subject: LCD Overhead Projectors From: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) Distribution: na Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156 Lines: 13 I am looking for one of those color LCD screens you place on an overhead projector and control the presentation with a Mac. Can you recommend me a particular brand? What price are we talking about? Thanks, -- Jan Vandenbrande jan@ug.eds.com (New address) jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards) UUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan " 2910,15,"From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes?y Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 48 In article , marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: > Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse... > At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the ""rock"", He said > whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and > whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven. > > Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be > done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest, > the couple and witnesses. ""Divorce"" is not allowed. But anullments > are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope > (not sure if the Pope delegates this function). > Maybe I'm a little tired but I can't seem to follow the logic here. If whatever is held true on earth is held true in heaven how is it that a priest (RC only apparently) is required. In fact if I read the next verse correctly (Matthew 18:19) I understand that for a marriage to take place only two are required to agree on earth touching one thing and it shall be done. Todd > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' > marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | > The Lost Los Angelino | [Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any completely precise statements about what is needed. (As usual, the current edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia is frustratingly vague.) I do know that the priest is viewed as a witness, and thus in some sense would not be required. However part of the purpose of formal marriage is to avoid any ambiguity about who has and has not taken on the commitment. The community provides support to marriage, and in cases of problems are involved in helping to make sure that the people carry out as much of their commitment as possible. Thus marriage must be a public commitment. The presence of a priest is required for a regular marriage. Where I'm not clear is exactly where the boundaries are in exceptional cases (""valid but irregular""). Ne Temere (1907) says that no marriage involving a Catholic is valid without a priest (according to the Oxford Dictionary of the Church), and they imply that the new canon law retains this, but I'd rather see a more recent and authoritative source. Note that while a Catholic priest is required for Catholics, the Catholic church does recognize marriage between baptized non-Catholics as valid without a priest. --clh] " 2911,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Govs. Florio, Wilder Hit Airwaves In Support of Brady Bill Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr1.015043.5662@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes: > Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. > ""It is ironic that Jim and I are observing this March 30 in a > country that finds America's level of gun violence not only > unacceptable, but unbelievable,"" said Mrs. Brady, chair of Handgun > Control Inc. So where was she? And would she consider staying there? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 2912,9,"From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Keywords: Phillies Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr14.222601.21160@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > >After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies >started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've >heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that >season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in >mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the >Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I >hope this season is MUCH different. Strictly from memory, I think the Phillies were something like ten games up with 12 to go, lost 10 in a row, and 11 of last 12 to lose to the Cardinals. Seems impossible, but thats how I remember it. I also felt at the time that Johnny Callison of the Phillies lost the MVP as a by-product of their swoon. jerry P.S. In 1964, a single team out of 8 won the pennant; no divisions. " 2913,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 31 In article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes: >In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini >>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution >>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie's >>behavior was not completely excusable. >Why should a fatwa issued by Khomeini be relevant to anyone who >doesn't live in Iran? Issued by Khomeini it shouldn't be relevant to anyone. But issued by an honest and learned scholar of Islam it would be relevant to any muslim as it would be contrary to Islamic law which all muslims are required to respect. > Who is it that decides whether Rushdie's behavior is excusable? Anyone sufficiently well versed in Islamic law and capable of reasoning, if you are talking about a weak sense of ""excuse."" It depends on what sense of ""excuse"" you have in mind. > And who cares if you think it is inexcusable? Only someone who thinks my opinion is important, obviously. Obviously you don't care, nor do I care that you don't care. Gregg " 2914,14,"From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") Subject: Vandalizing the sky X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 12 From: ""Phil G. Fraering"" > > Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, [..] > please try to remember that there are more human activities than > those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the > Priesthood. Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may freely blare its presence in the evening twilight .. -- * Fred Baube (tm) " 2915,14,"From: jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: Caltech: Pasadena, California, USA Lines: 12 Distribution: sci NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next >one should be called 'Smiley'. Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt object discovered last year, is known as Smiley. -- Jeff Foust [49 days!] ""You're from outer space."" Senior, Planetary Science, Caltech ""No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in jafoust@cco.caltech.edu outer space."" jeff@scn1.jpl.nasa.gov -- from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home " 2916,10,"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) Subject: NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-14-93 Organization: AT&T Keywords: wednesday night's boxscores Lines: 138 NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/14/93. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STANDINGS PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT xPIT 56 21 7 119 xBOS 51 26 7 109 xCHI 46 25 12 104 xVAN 45 29 9 99 yWAS 42 34 7 91 yQUE 47 27 10 104 yDET 46 28 9 101 yCAL 42 30 11 95 yNJ 40 36 7 87 yMON 48 30 6 102 yTOR 44 28 11 99 yLA 39 34 10 88 yNYI 39 37 7 85 yBUF 38 35 10 86 STL 36 36 11 83 yWIN 39 37 7 85 PHL 34 37 11 79 HAR 26 51 6 58 MIN 36 37 10 82 EDM 26 49 8 60 NYR 34 38 11 79 OTT 10 70 4 24 TB 23 53 7 53 SJ 11 70 2 24 x - Clinched Division Title y - Clinched Playoff Berth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Boston Bruins (51-26-7) 2 2 0 - 4 Ottawa Senators (10-70-4) 0 1 1 - 2 1st period: BOS, Roberts 5 - (Juneau) 7:19 BOS, Wiemer 1 - (Juneau, Oates) 17:47 2nd period: BOS, Neely 11 - (Juneau, Murphy) 6:10 BOS, Hughes 5 - (Richer, Kimble) 7:55 OTT, Archibald 9 - (Rumble, Lamb) 11:37 3rd period: OTT, Boschman 9 - (Kudelski) 5:10 Powerplay Opportunities-Bruins 0 of 2 Senators 0 of 4 Shots on Goal- Bruins 13 11 10 - 34 Senators 5 9 12 - 26 Boston Bruins--Moog (36-14-3) (8 shots - 8 saves) Blue (9:38 second) (18 shots - 16 saves) Ottawa Senators--Sidorkiewicz (8-46-3) (27 shots - 23 saves) Berthiaume (6:36 third) (7 shots - 7 saves) ATT-10,500 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Washington Capitals (42-34-7) 0 0 2 - 2 New York Rangers (34-38-11) 0 0 0 - 0 1st period: NONE 2nd period: NONE 3rd period: WAS, Bondra 36 - (Pivonka, Cavallini) 6:54 WAS, Bondra 37 - (Cote, Pivonka) 10:10 Powerplay Opportunities-Capitals 0 of 2 Rangers 0 of 1 Shots on Goal- Capitals 16 11 12 - 39 Rangers 8 7 8 - 23 Washington Capitals--Tabaracci (7-11-0) (23 shots - 23 saves) New York Rangers--Richter (13-17-3) (39 shots - 37 saves) ATT-17,897 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New York Islanders (39-37-7) 2 1 1 0 - 4 Hartford Whalers (26-51-6) 2 1 1 1 - 5 1st period: NYI, Ferraro 13 - (Malakhov, King) 1:29 NYI, Hogue 32 - (Thomas, Turgeon) 1:57 HAR, Yake 21 - (Poulin) 4:15 HAR, Yake 22 - (Nylander, Poulin) 16:44 2nd period: HAR, Verbeek 39 - (Cassels, Weinrich) (pp) 2:43 NYI, Thomas 35 - (King, Ferraro) 7:58 3rd period: HAR, Burt 5 - (Sanderson, Cassels) 13:41 NYI, Malakhov 14 - (Hogue) 17:45 Overtime: HAR, Janssens 12 - (Poulin) 1:08 Powerplay Opportunities-Islanders 0 of 3 Whalers 1 of 3 Shots on Goal- Islanders 16 8 7 1 - 32 Whalers 7 13 7 1 - 28 New York Islanders--Fitzpatrick (16-15-5) (28 shots - 23 saves) Hartford Whalers--Lenaduzzi (1-0-1) (32 shots - 28 saves) ATT-10,915 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pittsburgh Penguins (56-21-7) 2 3 1 0 - 6 New Jersey Devils (40-36-7) 2 4 0 0 - 6 1st period: PIT, Daniels 5 - (Needham, Tippett) 4:14 NJD, C.Lemieux 29 - (Semak, Driver) 10:19 PIT, K.Stevens 55 - (Tocchet, Murphy) (pp) 12:40 NJD, Zelepukin 22 - (Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26 2nd period: PIT, M.Lemieux 68 - (Stevens, Tocchet) 1:42 NJD, Semak 36 - (C.Lemieux, Zelepukin) 2:27 PIT, McEachern 28 - (Jagr, Barrasso) 4:24 NJD, S.Stevens 12 - (Guerin, Pellerin) 5:45 PIT, M.Lemieux 69 - (sh) 12:40 NJD, Richer 37 - (Nicholls) 15:53 NJD, C.Lemieux 30 - (Semak, Zelepukin) 17:40 3rd period: PIT, Mullen 33 - (Jagr, M.Lemieux) 18:54 Overtime: NONE Powerplay Opportunities-Penguins 1 of 5 Devils 0 of 3 Shots on Goal- Penguins 9 11 8 2 - 30 Devils 12 15 9 3 - 39 Pittsburgh Penguins--Barrasso (43-14-5) (39 shots - 33 saves) New Jersey Devils--Billington (21-14-4) (30 shots - 24 saves) ATT-14,796 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \|||||/ -SPIKE- " 2917,17,"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism, Anas the Anus Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 20 Anas Omran writes in his earlier posting: [ANAS] A high rank Israeli officer was killed during a clash whith a Hamas [ANAS] Mujahid. The terrorist Israelis chased and killed a young Mujahid [ANAS] using anti-tank missiles. The terrorist zionists cut the Mujahid's [ANAS] body into small pieces to the extend that his body was not recognized. [ANAS] At leat ten houses were destroyed by these atni-tank missiles. If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a ""Hamas Mujahid"" with an anti-tank missile then I'm almost sure that the ""terrorist zionists"" would not have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the missile. Stop polluting the net with you fantasies. Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. " 2918,14,"From: tholen@newton.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii Lines: 23 Alan Carter writes: >> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to >> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. > This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could > someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? The name is rather descriptive. It's a command to the spacecraft that tells it ""If you don't hear from Earth after 264 hours, assume something is wrong with your (the spacecraft) attitude, and go into a preprogrammed search mode in an attempt to reacquire the signal from Earth."" The spacecraft and Earth are not in constant communication with each other. Earth monitors the telemetry from the spacecraft, and if everything is fine, there's no reason to send it any new information. But from the spacecraft's point of view, no information from Earth could mean either everything is fine, or that the spacecraft has lost signal acquisition. Just how long should the spacecraft wait before it decides that something is wrong and begins to take corrective action? That ""how long"" is the command loss timer. During relatively inactive cruise phases, the command loss timer can be set to rather long values. In this case, Earth is telling Galileo ""expect to hear back from us sometime within the next 264 hours"". " 2919,7,"From: toml@miles.ca.boeing.com (Tom Locke) Subject: $22600 Subaru SVX - Good deal? Organization: BoGART Graphics Development Lines: 20 Hi netters, My friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is a local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with Touring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a very good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to the net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially in the area of reliability and maintenanability. Please send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net. My opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600: auto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet), full wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-) Thanks in advacne! -- Tom Locke Work: (206) 865-6568 Boeing Computer Services E-mail: toml@voodoo.boeing.com P.O. Box 24346 M/S 7K-20 or: uunet!bcstec!voodoo!toml Seattle, WA 98124-0346 " 2920,7,"From: Sang-Yoon Oh Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: >In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM >writes: >> >>Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at >>the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range. >>How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget >>allows, the Land Cruiser? > >Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they >get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list. >Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires. >And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand. Land Crusier is just simply nice with shit-load of power and room. Fully stocked, it cost ~$40,000. I think it is worth the money. Only problem is when you get into accident(it doesn't usually break down unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something stupid like this), body parts and other parts are very hard to locate. Parts are over priced also. One of my friend had accident in past snow storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender. Well, if you test drive Land Cruiser, all other SUV look like toys. One of magazine writer called it ""Land Bruiser"". If you have $40,000 to spare for SUV, get Land Cruiser and forget Lange Rover. --Sang " 2921,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 29 In article , ryang@ryang1.pgh.pa.us (Robert H. Yang) writes: |> Hi, |> |> Sorry, just feeling silly. |> |> Rob No need to appologise, as a matter of fact this reminds me to bring up something I have found consistant with dogs- Most of the time, they do NOT like having me and my bike anywhere near them, and will chase as if to bite and kill. An instructor once said it was because the sound from a bike was painfull to their ears. As silly as this seams, no other options have arrizen. net.wisdom? --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 2922,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 17 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >Brad, You're a very sick son-of-a-bitch. Wishing for someone's death, even if >they are your enemy, is very deranged. I really have pity for you and those >like you. Did you acquire this philosophy from Islam? >>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) >Ed. This is an interesting question to ponder. Did Brad/Ali's sickness make Ayatollah-style Islam attractive to him or did this new religion that Brad/Ali has formally adopted give him this sickness? -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 2923,4,"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: Powerbook & Duo Batteries Summary: I goofed! Article-I.D.: usenet.C51so0.BDq Distribution: na Organization: Indiana University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu ronaldw@sco.COM (Ronald A. Wong) writes: ]In article , ]kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) wrote: > > The program PowerStrip2.0, which is freeware, has an option called > ""Quick Discharge."" You can find it on the Mac archives, probably > sumex-aim.stanford.edu or mac.archive.umich.edu. >>Is it a hidden option? I'm using PowerStrip 2.0 (by Mr. Caputo) right now >>and can't find any quick discharge option. It definitely is on >>mac.archive.umich.edu 'cause I submitted it! My apologies! I goofed. The ""quick discharge"" option is part of the Connectix PowerBook Utilities package (CPU). I installed it the same day as PowerStrip, and didn't pay enough attention. ;) Anyway, the option does exist for those of you who buy CPU. --------------- ""Whadda goofball!"" ""Sheddap. You're not even the real signature file."" --------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 2924,10,"From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (""Matthew J. Rush"") Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 16 d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu writes: > In article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula writes: > >I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an > >octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? > > No no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the > fish at UNH games....) > Actually, the way I understand it, it is an octapus. Apparently, a number of years ago, a fan threw an octapus on the ice and the announcer said ""Octapi will not occupy the ice"" or something like that, and it's happened ever since. The fans cheer those who pick up the dead octapus with their hands, and boo those who use a shovel. Matt at UVA " 2925,8,"From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes: >Yo, ASSHOLES. I hope you are all just kidding >because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets >many a MOTORcyclist killed: ""Look at the leather >clad poseurs! Watch how they swirve and >swear as I pretend that they don't exist while >I change lanes."" > >If you really find it necesary to wreck others >enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then >it is truely you who are the poseur. > >--aaron Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against? ================================================================================ Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. ================================================================================ " 2926,14,"From: Pat.Hoage@f6507.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Pat Hoage) Subject: army in space Lines: 7 I just got out of the Army. Go signal corps or Intelligence; photointelligence interpretation. If you go ADA you might get to play with rockets but space will look pretty far away dug in the mud next to a grunt protecting the foward troops from low flying objects. Good Luck * Origin: *AmeriComm*, 214/373-7314. Dallas'Info Source. (1:124/6507) " 2927,2,"From: am37@ellis.uchicago.edu (Drewster) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Reply-To: am37@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.085638.29338@news.uit.no> sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) writes: >I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. > >Do I find it on any FTP host? > >Svein > Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files. The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini, system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited. Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu) " 2928,9,"From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.) Subject: Re: Astros Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Organization: University of Houston Lines: 80 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes... >Keeping in line with the pessimists on the net, I'll hold off on the Astros >being all the way back. They could indeed contend, but that would count on > 1) Atlanta encountering some unforeseen problems, such as injuries or keeping > up their early season abysmal hitting. While Atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation, I feel that their relief staff may be suspect. They don't have a real closer -- although Mike Stanton (4 saves) has been used in that role. Didn't Stanton start off great last year and then falter? Despite this, your point is well taken. Atlanta doesn't seem to have the same personality as a NY team, thus is unlikely to self-destruct. For Houston to take 'em, Atlanta needs to suffer some injuries, particularly to their starting rotation. > 2) Astros relief corps holding together. If Doug Jones keeps his changeup > effective and Xavier Hernandez can be effective, then it's passable. > There's no reasonable left-handed help, and the middle relief is iffy. > Tom Edens was expected to take over the Joe Boever setup man role, but > he's been injured, and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway. > Houston thought that Boever would demand too much money, so they let him > go. Doug Jones can lose his touch - he went from Cleveland's all-star > closer to the minors in a pretty short span. From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West. lousey spring. > closer to the minors in a pretty short span. Right! A strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling bullpen. > bit of shakiness at the fifth starter slot (but that's basically normal). > 4) Taubensee, Anthony, Gonzalez, and Cedeno fulfilling some hitting potential. > Anthony appears to be about there, Taubensee's swing looks a lot better > this year (solid knock against Expos last night), Gonzalez is showing > some early power, and Cedeno still has the loopiest swing this side of > Tim Wallach. The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually starts the season very strong. * * * * * * On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be (blech..) traditional grey, with the word ""HOUSTON"" written across the chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so... I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it. >end of the bargain (remember two years ago? a little relief goes a long way), >then they COULD win 90 games. But, I doubt it. I'll project them at 85 wins. > >Astros fan since the days of Staub, Morgan, Jackson, Aspromonte, Dierker, ... >-- >Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX) >DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. >INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189 Astros fan since the days of Ryan, Scott, Smith, Cruz, Davis, Bass, Hatcher... --- --- --- --- --- --- David S. Schwam University of Houston st1rp@jetson.uh.edu --- --- --- --- --- --- " 2929,12,"From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Reply-To: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View CA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: grendal.corp.sun.com In article <1993Apr21.024036.7394@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes: > Hi there, > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. HAP controls just outside Chicago sells these. I don't remember which suburb they are in. The prices are pretty reasonable and they are easy to hook up. I bought a new coin mechanism from them for $25.00 a couple of years ago. Andrew MacRae " 2930,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article L2A@well.sf.ca.us, pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) writes: > >Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins >left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Three, actually. I believe I discussed countersteering a horse before. Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and neck-rein. Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and you pull in the direction you wish to go. Neck-reining steers a horse by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the horse's neck in the direction you wish to go. When training a plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins under his necks. Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit (which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days). Are you sorry you asked yet? --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 2931,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr19.130922.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr19.144427.17399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: > Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote: > : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation > : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin > : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! > > I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I > throw around the $1 billion figure for that ""reward."" I suggest that > you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. > > This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which > should be one of NASA's primary goals. > > -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office > kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 > > ""Better. Faster. Cheaper."" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal.. I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 2932,2,"From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) Subject: Windows Disk Drive Test availabel? Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 28 Is their a pd/freeware hard drive utility that can handle a compressed IDE drive without screwwing it up? Need to document occasional failures in reading/writing, check overall integrity of disk's hardware and sectors. I believe that all of my problems with DOS/Windows can be isolated to my drive. Getting occasional corrupted files, even with smartdrive, 32 bit access turned off. Had these problems under DOS 5. Only with drive C. Drive D may have had one failure, but that file was under the control of Win/Winword on drive C. All utilities available to me report no problems. DOS, NDD (NU4.5). Another symptom, SD took forever on C, and kicked me out with a suspension till NDD run 6 to 8 times. Thanks. -- Mike Hayes |""Knowledge is good."" - Faber College Motto WWW |""Knowledge and Thoroughness"" -Rensselear Poly Motto Unemployed Tech, |""No, thank YOU!"" -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races' Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years. " 2933,12,"From: shanlps@ducvax.auburn.edu Subject: TV RECEPTION: HEELLLPPP!!! Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: ducvax Organization: Auburn University, AL Lines: 18 Hello, I just canceled my support of the Cable Regime and I would like to at least pick up the 3 networks and NBC. :) I do not have tons of money nor even a few pounds so what I am looking for is the best solution for reception for under 100 dollars. I have seen modules that you plug into your wall outlet that ""supposedly"" make your entire house an antenna. I have to admit, even with my limited knowledge of wavelength and aerial reception, this seems dubious in its claims for ""excellent reception"" at best. I'll try anything, though, if it WORKS. I am in a non-mountainous area, approximately 50 miles from the transmitting stations which are pretty large (Montgomery Alabama pop. 200,000) and Colombus Goergia, pop. 100,000+. Any recommendations of products, brand-names, prices and company info (catalog ordering numbers, addresses etc.)? Thank you in advance. Paul Sylvester Shanley pshanley@humsci.auburn.edu VOICE 205 887 7440 " 2934,5,"From: ""Derrick J. Brashear"" Subject: virtual mouse in open look under X11? Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu Is the virtual mouse simulation in ol{v}wm 3.x available under X11R5? I've been told I'm setting the right resource, yet it continues not to work. I'm running olvwm3.3 (or olwm 3) on a Sun 3, X11R5 pl 22. -D " 2935,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >But chimps are almost human... >Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will? Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. keith " 2936,7,"From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Summary: Continental the first - Don't think so! Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article , callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: | In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: | >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes: | >> | >>It's a big aftermarket business. Almost no cars come from the factory with | >>vynal any more, and any fake ""convertible"" job _definitely_ came from some | >>aftermarket place. What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for | >>bad taste | > | >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the | >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? | | Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, | named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I | personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit | (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful | cars ever built, IMHO. | | James | The Continental may have been the first ""modern era"" auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one. Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles, both US and Foreign. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young " 2937,19,"From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development Lines: 26 sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.143400.569@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca >(Malcolm Lee) wrote: >> Do you judge all Christians by the acts of those who would call >> themselves Christian and yet are not? The BD's contradicted scripture >> in their actions. They were NOT Christian. Simple as that. Perhaps >> you have read too much into what the media has portrayed. Ask any >> true-believing Christian and you will find that they will deny any >> association with the BD's. Even the 7th Day Adventists have denied any >> further ties with this cult, which was what they were. >Well, if they were Satanists, or followers of an obscure religion, >then I would be sure that Christians would in unison condemn and >make this to a show case. You might be sure, but you would also be wrong. >And does not this show the dangers with religion -- in order >word a mind virus that will make mothers capable of letting >their small children burn to ashes while they scream? I suspect the answer to this question is the same as the answer to, ""Do not the actions of the likes of Stalin show the dangers of atheism?"" " 2938,7,"From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 25 x>> x>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. x>>>> Any gold trim. x > x>>> These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake x>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies x>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion x>>>in the way. x>>> Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a ""Cadillac"" Cimarron, with x>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. x>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... x>> Least you think bad taste is something new: Back in the early 1970s I saw a couple of cars with *flocked* paint jobs. Thats not a typo. I think they sprayed on some kind of glue then blew on tiny pieces of nylon. It comes out looking like felt. Can you picture a huge Plymouth Fury III in dark blue felt? I think I can even remember one guy who did it in red to a early 1960s Corvette. That was after he had turned it into a station wagon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mack Costello Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____ Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 2939,0,"From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: New Member Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: > Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people > are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). > Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time > you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: > Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. > > Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of nicknames for the frequent posters here! Nanci " 2940,4,"From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu In article <1ql7naINN2l8@shelley.u.washington.edu> davisson@stein.u.washington.edu (Gordon Davisson) writes: >Mind you, this doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. The parts that can >blow (the ADB power fuse and RF filter) aren't too expensive, so IF you >have a someone around who can do component-level repair, it may be worth >the risk (especially if you're around Seattle, 'cause you might get to >pay *me* to fix it :-)).. On the other hand, if your only repair option >is the Apple-standard logic board swap (major $$$$), you should probably >play it safe. > > >SCSI: yes, ADB: yes, Floppies: yes... They can all cause trouble. OTOH, some of us get lucky-- I've unplugged and replugged SCSI and ADB quite often, and never blown anything. I blew out the ADB by shorting the cable, though. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu Some news readers expect ""Disclaimer:"" here. Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force. (not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice) " 2941,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Motto Mania Lines: 33 mathew writes: >I prefer Mark-Jason Dominus's suggestion that the motto should be changed to >""Mind your own fucking business"". In this era of AIDS, isn't someone's fucking *everyone's* interest? (semi :-)) I propose ""We have no motto."" Recently in the glorious state of Maryland (the only state whose state song refers to Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant), people have gotten all wound up over the state motto (which we inherited from the Calverts): ""Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine"" which, if you read Italian, says, ""Manly deeds, womanly words"" or something to that effect. In the state which not so long ago had four women out of seven representatives, this represents a problem. The official solution was to change the translation, so now it means: ""Strong deeds, gentle words"" My personal suggestion was changing it to ""walk softly and carry a big stick."" -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 2942,7,"From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) Subject: Re: Removing Rain-X coat on the front windshield, any tips? Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 21 If you want a summer without rain, you're in the wrong place. You must not have been here a whole year yet. Keep the Rain-X handy my friend. Thatch %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Thatch Harvey % % uucp: (no longer valid) domain: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com % % Hewlett-Packard Lake Stevens Instrument Division % % Lake Stevens, WA % % (206) 335-2083 Merkur XR4Ti, Suzuki GSX1100G, % % Prince SR3 D Sports Racer % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% " 2943,5,"From: ge!severy%severy@uunet.UU.NET (severy) Subject: Overriding window manager focus processing Organization: GE Information Services, Rockville, MD Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Keywords: Window Manager Focus Motif I am working on an X-Window based application that needs to override some of the window manager focus processing. I am using X11R4 and Motif 1.1 currently, although I will also be working with Open Look in the future. What I need to do is under certain circumstances prevent the user from switching from one window of the application to another window. Let's say, for example, that Window A is on top of Window B in the window hierarchy. Normally, if the user clicks the mouse in Window B it will be brought to the top of the window hierarchy and placed on top of Window A. Under certain circumstances if the user clicks the mouse in Window B I need to beep and prevent Window B from being raised on top of Window A. From the research and testing I've done so far, it appears that this window ordering is handled by the window manager, in this case Motif. I haven't found any way to override this default processing through standard X Window functions. I can tell when this switching occurs through focus change and mapping notify events, but I can't find any way to tell Motif not to make the switch. The temporary solution I've currently come up with is very kludgy but it partially works. When I detect such a window switch in those cases when the switch is not allowed, I manually force the formerly top window back on top with an XRaiseWindow call and beep with the XBell function. This provides the necessary functionality but looks ugly when the windows switch places twice. Does anyone know how I can tell Motif (or preferably *any* window manager) when I don't want the window order switch to actually take place? Respond either by e-mail or posting to this newsgroup. Cheers.... Randall *************************************************************************** * Randall Severy * UUNET: uunet!ge!severy * * GE Information Services * INTERNET: ge!severy@uunet.uu.net * * 401 N. Washington St. MC05A * GENIE: RSEVERY * * Rockville, MD 20850 USA * PHONE: +1-301-340-4543 * *************************************************************************** " 2944,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr23.211108.26887@midway.uchicago.edu>, bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) wrote: > > One thing that I haven't seen in this thread is a discussion of the > relation between IBD inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty > acids (FAs). > > I was diagnosed last May w/Crohn's of the terminal ileum. When I got > out of the hospital I read up on it a bit, and came across several > studies investigating the role of EPA (an essentially FA) in reducing > inflammation. The evidence was mixed. [Many of these studies are > discussed in ""Inflammatory Bowel Disease,"" MacDermott, Stenson. 1992.] > > But if I recall correctly, there were some methodological bones to be > picked with the studies (both the ones w/pos. and w/neg. results). In > the studies patients were given EPA (a few grams/day for most of the > studies), but, if I recall correctly, there was no restriction of the > _other_ FAs that the patients could consume. From the informed > layperson's perspective, this seems mistaken. If lots of n-6 FAs are > consumed along with the EPA, then the ratio of ""bad"" prostanoid > products to ""good"" prostanoid products could still be fairly ""bad."" > Isn't this ratio the issue? > > What's the view of the gastro. community on EPA these days? EPA > supplements, along with a fairly severe restriction of other FAs > appear to have helped me significantly (though it could just be the > low absolute amount of fat I eat -- 8-10% calories). > > -Brian As you note, the research is mixed, so there is no consensus on the role of fatty acids in Ulcerative colitis. There is a role for short chain fatty acids in patients with colostomies and rectal pouches that are inflammed (Short is butyrate and shorter). There may be a role for treatment of UC with Short chain fatty acids, and I am looking forward to the upcoming AGA meeting in Boston to see what people are doing. You raise a hypothesis about the studies and restriction of other fatty acids. You should contact the authors directly about that or even write a letter to the editor - it is a good point. By the way, the abbreviation EPA is not in general use, so I do not know what fatty acid you are speaking about. And to Brian an U of C --- There is a physician named Stephen Hanauer there who is a recognized expert in the treatment of IBD. You might give him a call. He is interested in new combinations of drugs for the treatment of IBD. If you call please say hello to him from me, I was looking at U of C for a position, and perhaps still am. And be sure to look into joining the CCFA. Best of Luck. Steve Holland " 2945,14,"From: Leigh Palmer Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 06:33:17 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 15 In article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> James P. Goltz, goltz@mimi.UU.NET writes: > Background: The Orion spacedrive was a theoretical concept. It was more than a theoretical concept; it was seriously pursued by Freeman Dyson et al many years ago. I don't know how well-known this is, but a high explosive Orion prototype flew (in the atmosphere) in San Diego back in 1957 or 1958. I was working at General Atomic at the time, but I didn't learn about the experiment until almost thirty years later, when Ted Taylor visited us and revealed that it had been done. I feel sure that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to see it. Has anyone out there seen it? Leigh " 2946,3,"From: Doug_Oke@mindlink.bc.ca (Doug Oke) Subject: Memory Access Time (Was Re: SRAM and SIMMS 4 sale) Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 41 > ben elliston writes: > > Msg-ID: <734606726.AA00887@f262.n620.z3.fidonet.org> > Posted: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 10:41:0 > > Organization: Compact Solutions, Canberra ACT Australia > > > 64k of 25ns SRAM > > By my way of thinking, Michael, how could this memory be static RAM if it > has a speed rating? I didn't think SRAM needed a refresh time. > > Doesn't that make it fast DRAM? This chip would take 25ns to return valid data after being issued an address. Refresh time (none for SRAM, as you pointed out) is a different parameter, and is not generally referred to except by motherboard designers. > > Cheers, > Ben > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Ben Elliston > Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Engineering) > University of Canberra > > Email: tp923021@jarrah.canberra.edu.au > UUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!sserve.adfa.oz.au!compsol!root > FidoNet: 3:620/262 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > If a train station is where the train stops, what's a workstation?! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > * Origin: % Compact Solutions % Canberra ACT Australia % (3:620/262) -- Doug Oke - Vancouver, Canada Doug_Oke@mindlink.bc.ca " 2947,3,"From: rkimball@athena.qualcomm.com (Robert Kimball) Subject: VLB bus master problem? Summary: Is there a problem with VLB and bus master devices? Keywords: VLB Bus Master Controller SCSI Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.qualcomm.com I am trying to put together a new PC with VESA Local Bus. I would like to get VLB cards for Video and SCSI but I have heard of a problem with bus mastering controllers on VLB. Something to the effect that they will actually slow down a system. Anyone heard of this problem? Specifically, I am interested in the Ultrastor 34F VLB SCSI controller. Before I shell out the bucks for this thing I would like to get the straight scoop from someone who knows. Does anyone have this controller? Any problems with it? -- Bob Kimball rkimball@qualcomm.com " 2948,11,"From: pdh@netcom.com (P D H) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 105 ld231782@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (L. Detweiler) writes: >I'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal >assault on emerging American freedoms. The Clinton administration >nor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever >in regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating >`acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we >should rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious >proposal. Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration >receive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure. IMHO, encryption is (also) protected under the SECOND amendment of the Constitution of the United States. >I am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology >to restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures. The U.S. >government will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any >serious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone >with an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this >proposal. The administration does not seem to understand that they >are merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the >public, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is >wholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty. I am not surprised that this administration is doing this. I could have told you so. >Cryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong >cryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen, >housewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable >equilibrium. Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian >arrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and >guaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent >impracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom. Privacy has ALWAYS been something that has the effect of restricting out ability to prosecute criminals. We are supposed to have the presumption of innocence. I have the right to pull the curtains over my windows and close my door, and the police may not come in. If I perform a crim in my home, they will have to find out by means other than simply looking. Encryption is to my data as the window curtains are to my home. Simple enough? >For too long our government has demonstrated itself to be >increasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality >and protecting Americans. And yet the people vote for these people because they come out a lie to them about promising to fix things. >The administration has to be committed to leaving private >industries alone, esp. on this issue. The government has no >legitimate role in regulating the content of communications. >Law enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their >surveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be >disarmed of it. You mean they might have to go back to actually WORKING to do their job? Oh heavens. >No such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent >to a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate. This kind of >extortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will >trade threats for threats, and violation for violation. Perhaps the FIRST amendment. Definitely the SECOND and FIFTH. >If the administration did say this, it would find itself >impeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential, >established, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy >guarantees. The administration would have no legal standing >whatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and >criminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast >segments of the population. Unfortunately, the vast segments of the population are misinformed. They just haven't appended -SR to the name of out country, yet. >This is an outright Dingaling Denning lie. The two aims of >privacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally >incompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise. >Americans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology, >to preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly >been eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and >*unrepresentative* government. I seriously doubt that the NSA thinks that privacy and surveillance are compatible. I doubt of any smart person in any other agency thinks so, either. The PROBLEM is that they simply hold PRIVACY to be of no value at all. -- | Phil Howard, pdh@netcom.com, KA9WGN Spell protection? ""1(911)A1"" | | Right wing conservative capitalists are out to separate you from your MONEY | | Left wing liberal do gooders are out to separate you from EVERYTHING ELSE!! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 2949,2,"Subject: WIN STORM PC From: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam) Reply-To: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam) Distribution: world Organization: Elec. & Comp. Eng., Univ. of Kansas Nntp-Posting-Host: erlang.tisl.ukans.edu Originator: srini@erlang Lines: 10 Anyone have any info. on the video/sound card from SIGMA designs. It is called WIN STORM PC. They also have another card called the legend 24lx any info would be appreciated, incuding performance, pricing and availability. thanks srini " 2950,7,"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston Distribution: usa Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr15.161531.11737@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rapw20@email.sps.mot.com writes: > >their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then >brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I >reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be >treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole >deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it, >snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by >the turn of events. That's nothing. When a friend of mine went shopping for a small sedan a few years ago, she brought me along as a token male so the salespeople wouldn't give her the ""bimbo"" treatment. Her first choice was a Mazda 323, and second choice was a Nissan Sentra. We went to a Mazda dealership and described what ""we"" wanted. We started negotiating on the price, and the salesdroid kept playing the ""let me run this price by the sales manager"". After playing the ""good salesman, bad salesman"" game, we finally told him that if he didn't have the authority to negotiate a price, perhaps we should be speaking directly to someone who did. He brought in the sales manager who proceeded to dick us around with every trick in the book. (Read Remar Sutton's ""Don't Get Taken Every Time"" for a list.) Finally, after playing a few more rounds of ""you'll have to work with us on this price"", also known as ""each time you come up a thousand dollars we'll come down ten"", the salesmanager gave a signal to his two sales cronies, stood up, and said ""well, we can't come down any more so I guess we can't help you"" and they trouped out of the room, leaving us sitting in the salesman's office all by ourselves. Hmm. I'd read that sleazy salesmen sometimes bug their own offices so they can leave and listen in on couples discussing the sales offer, and I mentioned this aloud to my friend while we were sitting there wondering why they would leave us in the office instead of showing us to the door. For lack of anything better to do, I picked up the phone on the desk and called another Mazda dealership, asked for a salesman, and began discussing what kind of price they would consider. A few sentences into the conversation, Mr. Salesmanager broke into the line (!) and began telling me how rude he thought it was that I would call another dealership from ""his"" phone! I said that since he'd announced that our business was over, he shouldn't care, and every time I tried to talk to the other sales guy the sales manager would drown out our voices with his own. (How did he know that I was using the phone, anyway?) Finally, I hung up and we headed out of the showroom. Sales manager and cronies come out of a little unmarked room and he begins to berate us again. We say that we won't bother him anymore, we're going next door to the Nissan dealership. Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped. As we go out the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom, customers and all, ""Go ahead! You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"" So my friend bought a Sentra. Just so the guilty won't go unpunished, I'll mention that the sales manager's name was Gary Tusone. From his manner, his refusal to come down to a reasonable price, and his anger at the end, my guess is that he had bet our original salesman (who was a young novice) that he'd be able to get at least X dollars out of us, and he was steamed that we wouldn't fall for his slimy tricks. " 2951,9,"From: m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!) Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo1.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University Lines: 26 In article <0096B0F0.C5DE05A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes... >In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes: >>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make >>room for Harkey? >>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL? >>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info! >>/=== >>Ken >>Cal Poly, Pomona >> > >Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. > >rick Wetteland comes off the DL on April 23rd, and will be evaluated on the 24th. He is throwing well, and without pain on the side. DeShields is not on the DL. He suffered from the chicken pox and lost (this is the official total) 12 pounds. He will be back, hopefully, next week. Walker will be back this tonight or tomorrow... CorelMARK! from Montreal. " 2952,6,"Subject: Re: Value of Kathy St.Pat'sDay stand? From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Bart) Organization: Shady Rest Home Lines: 10 In article , dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes: > I heard on one of these newsgroups a week or two ago that the Kathy Ireland > Budweiser posters were popular. There are supposedly half-size and life-size > posters. Well, someone I know got a life-size stand-up cardboard (thick, damn > good quality) one, and was wondering what it was worth. Anybody? What about the St. Pat. posters from last year? I have a stack of about twenty, and two of the card-board cutouts. (No, they are NOT for sale, I collect them.) " 2953,2,"From: jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) Subject: Re: mouse on COM3 under Windows 3.1 ? Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 8 I've pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because I have the same requirements you do......and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers don't accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them.....I've talked to Mouse Systems who say their driver doesn't support other than com1 and com2 as above , but who claim to be releasing one that will SOON!??. The other alternative seems to be possible, but in one case prohibitively expensive, i.e. 4 port card for $600??????!!, and in the other, the author(s) of PowerBBS for Windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 UARTS and drivers for windows to match (i.e. com3 irq5) for $120...... The second paragraph is hearsay, because I haven't checked it out yet.....but intend to as soon as I can free up $120 Hope this will save you some steps. " 2954,16,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: na X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 44 Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: : In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve : Manes) writes: : [...] : > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO : > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun : > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More : > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) : > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National : > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs : > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). : > : You're a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them : to be superior, I've made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information. It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that you've confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize. : then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've ""twisted numbers."" On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar gratuitous shots at? : to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population : differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might : attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for ""emphasis, not : comparison""? Emphasis of what? Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim. : Anything else is blowing smoke. You seddit, brudda. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 2955,15,"From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 44 In article swansond@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (Dennis Swanson) writes: >In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: >>[...] >>When I do programs, I spend >>about half the time talking about absitinence [...] >>I find that most people who object >>to sex education actually object to the teaching *anything* other than >>abstinencne, and that IMO is just as irresponsible as only talking >>about comdom use. > >I'm under the impression that most sex ed instructors and/or policy makers >actually object to making any more than a passing reference to abstinence, >wishing to spend time only on the ""realistic"" choices. In the ""sex ed"" portion of the high school ""health"" course I took in 1984, it was impressed that the only 100% positive way to *not* get pregnant was to *not* have sex. Other methods of contraception were discussed, in the framework of a chart which showed both the _expected_ failure rate (theoretical, assumes no mistakes) and the _actual_ failure rate (based on research). Top of the chart was something like this: Method Expected Actual ------ Failure Rate Failure Rate Abstinence 0% 0% And NFP (Natural Family Planning) was on the bottom. The teacher even said, ""I've had some students tell me that they can't use anything for birth control because they're Catholic. Well, if you're not married and you're a practicing Catholic, the *top* of the list is your slot, not the *bottom*. Even if you're not religious, the top of the list is safest."" Yes, this was a public school and after Dr Koop's ""failing abstinence, use a condom"" statement on the prevention of AIDS. -jen -- #include // jenk@microsoft.com // msdos testing " 2956,8,"From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend) Subject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH..... In-Reply-To: dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:53:17 GMT Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service Lines: 17 ""dam9543"" == dam9543 writes: dam9543> I get back drom work today, look at me bike before dam9543> proceding in-side. I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is dam9543> gone! Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago. The cover had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc. I figured it was just kids, but maybe not... -- jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...) This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov ""You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."" Skate UNIX or die, boyo. " 2957,10,"From: chuq@apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Subject: Re: SHARKS REVIEW Part 5: Left Wings Organization: Go Sharks, Go Giants, Inc. Lines: 113 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >#8 LARRY DEPALMA Season: 3rd >Acquired: '91-92, free agent from Minnesota >Grade: I (C-/D+) >No netter/fan watching the Sharks, including me, knows where DePalma was at >the end of the season; the Sharks appeared to still have his rights, but he >wasn't in San Jose, he wasn't in Kansas City, and his name hasn't appeared on >the waiver wire. Sorry, Nelson, but you forgot to ask me. If you check the THN stats for Kansas City, you'll find that Larry has been playing for the games, having played in 8 games in the period covered in the stats between 3/26 and the 4/16 issue (1-3-4 with 13 PIM). Not exactly invisible. >He then was sent down to >Kansas City, walked out from there, and was suspended and later reinstated >when it was revealed that he was injured; he then promptly disappeared from >the watching eyes of Shark Bytes (as the mailing list is now known to Sharks >officials) faithful, and neither the Sharks nor we miss him. Well, having gotten to a chance to talk to him a few times, this isn't quite accurate. He injured his back (a disk injury) and did one stupid thing, which was to hide it from the Sharks and he tried to play through it because he knew he was on the bubble. The Sharks then sent him to K.C., at which point he disclosed the injury. Since he didn't disclose it, the Sharks and he disagreed about the responsibility and he was suspended for not reporting. That was eventually worked out, the Sharks re-instated him as injured and put him into therapy, and when he was able to play then shipped him down to K.C. He fully expects to play in the NHL again, although clearly not with the Sharks (hiding injuries is a stupid no-no, beyond just a no-no). Very nice guy. Always hustled his butt off. He disappeared because he was hurt. I expect he'll surface with another team at some point (probably another expansion team), but is likely to be a bubble player for the rest of his career. Has a good work ethic and is good at getting other players motivated. Unfortunately, he played himself out of the Sharks future with a bad judgement call. >#20 JOHN CARTER Season: 4th >Acquired: '91-92, free agent from Boston >Grade: I (B+/B) > He >is very unlikely to be back next season. Always gave 110%, best work ethic on the club (except maybe Kisio), but hustle isn't always enough. His future with the Sharks was made clear to me one night against the Flames when he went behind the crease and tried to hold Joel Otto against the board. He literally had one arm around Otto's neck and another wrapped around Otto's stick arm. Otto casually turned around and fed the puck in front of the crease for a goal, as though Carter wasn't there. Hustle can only cover size so far. The Sharks have told me, point blank, that he's gone for good (ditto HUbie McDonough). He was one of the favorites of the staff, but as one said to me ""you have to make room for the kids"". Carter, in fact, refused to report to K.C. and has been suspended by the Sharks. That might be a defacto retirement, but I haven't heard anything official. His only hope in hockey now is the Gulls. >#28 JEAN-FRANCOIS QUINTIN Season: 1st >Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft >Grade: I (B+/B) >I don't understand why the Sharks didn't let Quintin play any more than the >14 games he played this season. Because, at least from the games I saw him in, he was outmatched and looked fairly lost on the ice. I think he shows potential, but I didn't think he was quite ready to make the jump to the NHL. > He should be a solid contender for regular duty next season. Agreed (BTW, I still think a lot of your grades are more based on how you wish they'd performed than how they actually performed. I wonder whether you can really judge talent from radio and television, Nelson? I know I have trouble, since you don't see the off-puck action. your views from home and my views from the ice differ in numerous ways) >#41 MARK BEAUFAIT Season: 1st >Acquired: 2nd round pick in 1991 supplemental draft >Grade: I (?) >After a all-star season at Kansas City, Beaufait got a cup of coffey with the Coffee. Coffey is with the Red Wings. >#45 DODY WOOD Season: 1st >Acquired: 3rd round pick in 1991 entry draft >Grade: I (D+/D, although perhaps I shouldn't give a grade at all) >I have been accused of knocking on Wood too much. You? Nah... He was seriously unimpressive, even as a tough guy (his rep). However, as few games as he had in a season that was at that point meaningless, I hate to judge the talent too quickly. Butn in Dody's case, I""m tempted to make an exception. But I won't. -- Chuq ""IMHO"" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX) =+= chuq@apple.com Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms =+= GEnie: MAC.BIGOT =+= ALink:CHUQ Minor League fans: minors-request@medraut.apple.com (San Jose Giants: A/1/9) San Francisco Giants fans: giants-request@medraut.apple.com (The Stick?NOT!) San Jose Sharks fans: sharks-request@medraut.apple.com (New seat: 127/TBD) " 2958,2,"From: dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Cybard) Subject: MIDI files on MS-Win3.1 and SoundBlaster 1.0? Summary: How can I play midi files in MS-Windows 3.1 with a SB 1.0 card? Keywords: MIDI, soundblaster, windows, ibm-pc Organization: UB Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu I have a 486DX-33 computer with a SoundBlaster 1.0 card. I'm running Microsoft Windows v3.1. I have the SB driver set up properly to play normal sounds (.WAV files, etc.). I want to play midi files through the Media Player that is included with windows. I know I have to set up the patch maps or something in the MIDI-Mapper in the Control Panel. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MIDI. (This is to be the way I'll get my feet wet.) How do I set up Windows so that I can play MIDI files? -- David Thomas Dudek / v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet \ __ _ The Cybard State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu \ / `-' ) ,,, of New York / ""If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} @ Buffalo / play on!"" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) ''' " 2959,2,"From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP! Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 17 Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu In article <1qmf6l$euh@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) writes: >From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu: >> Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! > >Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . >look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence >for the font you want! > Thanks, I think I've figured it out now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2960,16,"From: sylvain@netcom.com (Nicholas Sylvain) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 17 In article dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes: >For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time >readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA. A long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet I own no firearms. >This is not about toys. It is about freedom. Amen, brother. -- Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA -- Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA " 2961,0,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! In-Reply-To: mathew's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14: 15:20 +0100 Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <930416.141520.7h1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 12 >>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100, mathew said: m> The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's m> finished writing a sequel to the Bible. Also, it's the 16th now. Can the Feds get him on tax evasion? I don't remember hearing about him running to the Post Office last night. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 2962,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody Lines: 43 In article , VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says: > >In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz > > >>I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from >>the people on the net. >> >>Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You >>give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their >>action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is >>what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you >>collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there >>(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? > > As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police >officer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if >you were perfectly justified you're likely in for a great deal of >hassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.) > This is exactly what I have heard before. If you were to fade away and nobody saw you what kind of evidence would they be able to get to catch you (this is assuming that you either collected your brass or had a revolver)? >>What kind >>of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would >>be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and >>it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone >>saw you and you were caught? > > It's one of those ""by State"" things, pretty much. Guess it's time to take a trip to the library and look at the Illinois statutes again :-) Just for the record folks I'm just asking this because I'm curious. I'm just trying to find out from people who have read more on stuff like this. >David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group >PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day >your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't >love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu " 2963,8,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote: : Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! Oh goody! I love a puzzle. Watson! The games afoot! : Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there : was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension : to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very : tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. : Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you : rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without : damaging the thread in the hole ? Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo Let me guess. You were making a left turn, correct? The edge of the stud contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself. If you had been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * * Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * ******************************************************************************* " 2964,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: 8x oversampling CD player Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Keywords: oversampling, CD, digitized audio Lines: 40 In article hcb@netcom.com (H. C. Bowman) writes: > >Hello-- > >I just bought a new portable CD player for the office, and I notice that >it proudly proclaims ""8 TIMES OVERSAMPLING"" on the box. Now while I think >I understand what oversampling is (the rate of discrete ""samples"" >exceeds the highest frequency component of interest by some factor), >I don't understand this ""8 TIMES"" business... It seems to me that when >I bought my first CD player (was it REALLY 10 years ago?!), the specs >said ""4 TIMES"" ... Could someone please tell me whether I'm getting >senile? If I'm not, then what good does it do for the player to take >samples at a higher rate? If I really wanted better fidelity, wouldn't >I have to have the same higher rate of sampling during the recording >process? Furthermore, am I wrong in interpreting the sampling rate >(from the player's point of view) as being the same thing as the data >rate for the bit stream coming off the optical medium? Does this mean >that the data rate (related to the rotational speed of the disk) has >changed since 1983? [Note: I just tried to figure this stuff out about a month ago myself, from various people on the net, so I could be wrong.] The data is only ever read once (barring mistracks and such, of course), and eventually gets turned into 44.1 KHz, 16 bit, two channel data. Oversampling takes two discrete data points, and interpolates n-1 points between them for n times oversampling. When I asked, people said that the interpolation was not simply linear interpolation, but significantly more complicated. Anyway, then, the purpose of oversampling is to move the ""effective"" sampling rate up to n times 44.1 KHz, in order to use higher frequency antialiasing filters. For the same quality filter, higher oversampling lets you build cheaper filters, whereas for the same price filter, higher oversamplings lets you build better filters. So, assuming the quality of all other components in a CD player remained the same, oversampling should allow a manufacturer to produce _slightly_ better sound due to anti-alias filtering. ---Joel Kolstad " 2965,12,"From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114) Subject: Re: 68000 Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hmsp04.wg3.waii.com In article <1993Apr15.060043.15664@serval.net.wsu.edu> rwilley@eecs.wsu.edu (Ronald Willey - CS) writes: > > The Supra accelerator that is mentioned in one of the pervious >articles, is not 68000 or 68020 based. It runs on a 68030 at 28Mhz and >the design they are using is very simple( if you were referring to the >A500 exteranal model). Hmm - I don't think you and I are thinking of the same thing. I was the original poster, BTW. The accelerator that I'm talking about almost certainly uses a 68HC000, according to the footnotes in the Supra ad. It only costs $199 list, so I really doubt if it has a 28 MHz 68030 inside. It's called the Supra 28, or Supra Turbo 28. There's an external A500 model, and an internal A2000 model. BTW, does anyone know if a 28Mhz 68HC010 exists? -- Griff Miller > Griff.Miller@waii.com < use this for email. *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. *** ""Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does evil has not seen God."" - 3 John 9 " 2966,8,"From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! Distribution: world Organization: The Modem Palace Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 21 In article <1qk3mqINN72e@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> gnome@pd.org writes: >james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote: >>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: >>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. > >Cam chain. > In that case why do they chase ST1100s & Goldwings? Tony +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ |Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | |Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | |Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | |Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | |England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ " 2967,6,"From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna) Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton,400 ton Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su Distribution: eunet Organization: Firm ERIDAN Lines: 1 Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su " 2968,8,"From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty) Subject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale Distribution: ca Organization: Oracle Corporation Lines: 11 Originator: gdoherty@kr2seq.us.oracle.com Nntp-Posting-Host: kr2seq.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. [this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net] 1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE Asking 5900.00 or best offer. This bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has about 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard saddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag (the large one), and an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a line. DAS " 2969,19,"From: dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org (Mark Dotson) Subject: Fragmentation Organization: Dayton Microcomputer Association; Dayton, Ohio X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 49 The primary problem in human nature is a ""fragmentation of being."" Humans are in a state of tension, a tension of opposites. Good and evil are the most thought provoking polarities that come to mind. The Bible provides us with many examples of the fragmentation of being. The warring opposites within us are a product of man's rebellion against God, which is described so vividly in the pages of the Scriptures. Man was created with the order to become a god. Those were the words of St. Basil in the fourth century. What he was trying to say was that God created man to be a partaker of the divine nature. In the Eastern Orthodox Church, this is called ""theosis,"" or ""deification."" One can also say that man was created to be whole, i.e. spirit, soul, and body operating in unison. The story of Adam and Eve is a picture of the archetypal humans before obtaining moral consciousness. Theirs was a harmonious relationship with each other, the world, and the Creator. That innocent harmony was shattered when they disobeyed God, their natural wholeness falling apart into two seemingly irreconcilable halves. Immediately, guilt and fear was manifested in their lives. They become bound to hardship, toil, and suffering. This is symbolized in their exile from the paradisiac state. The beast in the jungle does not possess moral consciousness. If it were to receive this self-awareness, the knowledge of good and evil, its paradisiac state would also be destroyed. Was it the intention of the Creator to leave man in this state of innocence all the days of his existence on earth? Or was the gaining of self-awareness carefully staged by God, who did not desire that His masterpiece, mankind, be a blissful idiot? God must have known that, for mankind to achieve any kind of moral value, he must pass through a confrontation with the opposites. There is no other way to achieve union with God. Jesus Christ is the answer to the problem of the warring polarities. He was the perfectly integrated individual, reconciling the opposites, and making it possible for us to be integrated, i.e. to become God, not in His essence, but in His energies. The opposites is THE Christian problem. The Apostle Paul describes it with the utmost precision in Romans 7:15-24. And he follows with the answer to his dilemma in vs 25. Mark " 2970,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: My $.02 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr16.010908.22897@eecs.nwu.edu>, ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes... >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >>>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >[...] >>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. > >You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE >opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own >agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen. >While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that >if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become >a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area. >I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is >more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many >instances. > Pardon me for interrupting, but why doesn't anyone ever bring up other possibilities besides more government, less government, or no government and stop there? It seems to me that the problems with society go MUCH deeper than government. Democracies seem to reflective of the majority of society, both the good and the bad. If you take away the government, you still have the structural flaws in society, except this time, with no restraints. Yes? No? Why doesn't anybody ever discuss communal society, like a kibbutz? I never studied it on depth, but from what I've heard, the kibbutz in Isreal was very successful. It is also very close to what Aristotle and Socrates believed was the best. Sorry to detract from the discussion. >>Just >>as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >>the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how >>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >>condition. > >I suspect that this is because ""improvement in the human condition"" as >you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not >be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of >libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of >government coercion except in a very limited cases. But what good is change if there is no tracable improvement in the human condition? Who would ever support the change if you tell them it won't improve their lives? I know that there are, and will be, libertarians who will jump in now and say that it WILL improve our lives. I can deal with that. All I'm saying is that improving the human condition must be the PRIMARY goal of any organization. >Ian Sutherland >ian@eecs.nwu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 2971,12,"From: camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) Subject: Lead Acid batteries & Concrete? Organization: Temple University Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I was just wondering one thing, actually two. ( I hope that this is the proper place to post this subject) Why does a lead acid battery discharge and become dead (totally unuseable) when stored on a concrete floor? I decided to bring the battery in from the lawn mower and the motorcycle from the unheated garage this year, *to preserve them* and I just went to use them and noticed that not only do they not work, but they act like the two terminals are shorted. I asked a friend and he said that you should never do that, 'cause it ruins them, but he couldn't tell me why. thanks camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu " 2972,2,"From: rruther@watts.tansu.com.au (Ralf Rutherford) Subject: Re: Workgroup Questions (conven. ram and licensing) Organization: AOTC - CSSC Lines: 59 Distribution: world Reply-To: rruther@watts.tansu.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: watts.cssc-melb.tansu.com.au In article 0rA6ABh107h@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca, aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) writes: >I would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few >questions about Windows for Workgroups. > >I currently have Novell Netware Lite which does not work with >Windows very well and is a conventional memory hog (ver. 1.1). >I am considering moving all our machines to W4WG. > >Q1: How much conventional ram does W4WG use over and above the > driver for the network card? > about 2.5Kbyte without Novell 3.11 support. >Q2: If I have a Novell NE2000 card, are the LSL and IPX drivers > still needed? > No. >Q3: Does W4WG do a license check over the network to ensure each > machine is running its own licenced copy of W4WG? (Note: I do > not want to break the license agreement and I will buy a copy > of W4WG for each of our machines, it is just that I would like > to try it out first to see if it meets our needs. Returning one > opened copy is much easier than returning N opened copies.) > No. >Q4: If you buy the upgrade to Windows 3.1 for W4WG does it replace > all of Win 3.1 as you install it or does it depend on current > Win 3.1 files? > Nearly all. >Q5: If I install Windows NT on my server when it comes out, will I have > any troubles with the W4WG machines? > We run mixed WNT beta and W4WG, no problem apart from printer sharing( beta problem) >When I started this message, I was going to ask only 2 questions but I got carried >away. I'll stop now ;-). > We had problems with mouse drivers using W4WG where Windows 3.1 didn't, seems to be more critical about it. It was actualy a port problem with the network card running on 0x2e0, we changed it to 0x300, now everything is allright, I think it has to do with the AMI Bios as well. >I look forward to your replies. > >Al > >-- >Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 >aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew --- Ralf Rutherford Telecom Aust | MHSnet: rruther@cssc-melb.tansu.com.au Network Services | Snail: 700 Blackburn Rd, Clayton Vic 3168 Customised Software Solutions | Australia Center Melbourne | Phone: +61 3 253 8910 FAX: +61 3 265 6669 " 2973,0,"From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) Subject: Re: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu Keywords: FAQ, atheism I have an addition to the FAQ regarding ""why are there no atheist hospitals."" If I recall correctly, Johns Hopkins was built to provide medical services without the ""backing"" of a religious group...thus making it a hospital ""dedicated to the glory of [weak] atheism."" Might someone check up on this? -- Brian Evans | ""Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood! bevans@carina.unm.edu | I haven't had sex...*EVER!*"" -- Virgin Mary " 2974,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Portable Small Ground Station?dir Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.185700.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > In article <1993Apr2.214705.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >>How difficult would it be to set up your own ground station? > > Ground station for *what*? At one extreme, some of the amateur-radio > satellites have sometimes been reachable with hand-held radios. At the > other, nothing you can do in your back yard will let you listen in on > Galileo. Please be more specific. > -- > All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology > - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry SPECIFIC: Basically to be able to do the things the big dadies can do.. Monitor, and control if need be the Shuttle... Such as the one in Australia and such.... == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 2975,18,"From: edo2877@ucs.usl.edu (Ott Edward D) Subject: EMAIL Keywords: E-mail Clinton Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette Distribution: usa Lines: 5 does anyone have Prez. Clinton`s e-mail address. thanks a lot " 2976,16,"From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: N/I Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: [ ... ] >It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction >of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun >was not a proper militia weapon. Therefore, US vs. Miller supports >limited government regulation of firearms. Then it also supports basing such regulations on ignorance. Miller had disappeared, and nobody bothered to present _his_ side to the Supreme Court -- in particular, that sawed-off shotguns were used in the World War I trenches, and in other tight spots ever since guns had been invented. Would _you_ turn one down if you had to ""clean"" an alley in E. St. Louis? -------- Vegetarians kill, too " 2977,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: End of the Space Age? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years, reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic, swashbuckling daredevils, ""those daring young men in their flying machines"". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely occurence, and the environment blew. Ever see the early navy pressure suits, they were modified diving suits. You were ready to star in ""plan 9 from outer space"". Radios and Nav AIds were a joke, and engines ran on castor oil. They picked and called aviators ""men with iron stomachs"", and it wasn't due to vertigo. Oddly enough, now we are in the golden age of flight. I can hop the shuttle to NY for $90 bucks, now that's golden. Mercury gemini, and apollo were romantic, but let's be honest. Peeing in bags, having plastic bags glued to your butt everytime you needed a bowel movement. Living for days inside a VW Bug. Romantic, but not commercial. The DC-X points out a most likely new golden age. An age where fat cigar smoking business men in loud polyester space suits will fill the skys with strip malls and used space ship lots. hhhmmmmm, maybe i'll retract that golden age bit. Maybe it was better in the old days. Of course, then we'll have wally schirra telling his great grand children, ""In my day, we walked on the moon. Every day. Miles. no buses. you kids got it soft"". pat " 2978,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 12 James Felder (spbach@lerc.nasa.gov) wrote: : Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you : to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive : just look at Koresh that you yourself cite. This is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian account of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O'Hair, ""Face it folks, it's just silly ..."". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of your incredulity if you admit that it's a fallacy? Bill " 2979,5,"From: rlee@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM (Richard Lee) Subject: Re: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0 Organization: Sterling Software IMD. (Vienna,Va) Lines: 26 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ssdc.ssdc.sterling.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Skip Koppenhaver (skip@eco.twg.com) wrote: : : Has anyone found a fix for the following problem? : : Client Software: SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5 : Server Hardware: Sun IPC : Server Software: SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37) : : A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the : OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no : button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing will : unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is : grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display : continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from : another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets : back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers : (including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no : problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a : work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users. I have seen the same problem using a SPARCStation 10, Solaris 2.1, OW 3.1. In my case, it happens far more often than ""periodically"". Help? " 2980,13,"From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) Subject: Re: Eugenics Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 7 In article <19617@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, >Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. > Sure, as long as they'll make one for me. " 2981,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Lines: 89 note: i am not the original poster, i am just answering because i think this is important. In article db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >revdak@netcom.com writes: [evil result of human sinfulness, rather than the will of God] >In a certain sense yes. But in the sense that God allows evil to >happen, when obviously (He being God) He could have not had it happen, >does in a certain sense mean that He wills it to happen. God does not >condone evil, but instead uses it for good, as you say, however, what >God desires, must be seperated from what actually happens. For example, >""God desires that all should be saved"" (1 Timothy 2.4), however, it is >quite obvious that nowhere near all are saved. Was God's will thwarted? > No, because His will cannot be escaped, for even when it appears that >it is your will doing something, it is actually the will of God which by >His grace has disposed us to do as He wishes. So we come to the age old >question, why does evil occur? To which we must answer that God allows >evil to occur, though He does not condone it, so that His ultimate plan >may be brought to sucess. Personally, I suggest reading the parts of >the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas that deal with the knowledge of God >to get a good grasp on this whole idea. whoo. i'm going to have to be very careful with my language here. i think God is voluntarily giving up his omniscience in this world so that we can decide on our own where we go -- free will. in this sense God allows evil to occur, and in this sense can be ""held responsible"" as my chaplain says. however, his will is, of course, that all be saved. he's not going to save us ""by himself"" -- we have to take a step in his direction before he will save us. read that last sentence carefully -- i'm not saying we save ourselves. i'm saying we have to ACCEPT our salvation. i do not believe in predestination -- it would appear from what you say further down that you do. [stuff deleted] >I am not saying that anyone deserves punishment more than someone else. >I am simply pointing out that God could be using the Serbians and >Croatians as instruments of His punishment, as he did with the >Israelites against the Cannanites. ok -- i have trouble with that, but i guess that's one of those things that can't be resolved by argument. i accept your interpretation. [more deleted] >>The issue is not questioning why God has made the world in the way God >>so chooses, it is whether _I_ am discerning the world in the way God >>intends it. The debate is about whether we should not oppose the Serbians >>in their ""ethnic cleansing"" because they might be ""doing the will of God."" > >And I said Christians should not be participants in such wars and >slaughters. That does not mitigate the fact that God allows this evil to >continue, for He is patient and willing that none should perish, so He >waits for those whom He has foreknown to turn to Him from their evil. ^^^^^^^^^ this is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination. am i correct? i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all choose whether or not we will accept God's gift of salvation to us. again, fundamental difference which can't really be resolved. [yet more deleted] >I am not saying that the evil befalling the Bosnians is justified by >their guilt. I am saying that it is possible that God is punishing them >in this way. In no way is this evil justified, bu that does not mean >that God cannot use evil to further His purposes. I am not accusing the >Bosnians, though they may very well be guilty of great sins, but that is >up to God to judge. We are all defendants when the time comes for our >judgement by God. Let us all sincerely hope and pray that we will have >Jesus Christ as our advocate at that judgement. yes, it is up to God to judge. but he will only mete out that punishment at the last judgement. as for now, evil can be done by human beings that is NOT God's will -- and the best we can do is see taht some good comes out of it somehow. the thing that most worries me about the ""it is the will of God"" argument is that this will convince people that we should not STOP the rape and killing when i think that it is most christ-like to do just that. if jesus stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is not a good parallel, but i'm going to go with it anyway), why should we not stop the murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more innocent? >Andy Byler vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ******************************************************************************* " 2982,18,"From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA Lines: 17 In article <16BB1B92B.DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext> DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes: >You think that you all have it bad....here at good ol' Southwest Missouri >State U., we have 2 parties running for student body president. There's the >token sorority/fraternity faces, and then there's the president and vice >president of NORML. They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing >their qualifications as,""I listen really well."" It makes me sick to have >a party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like >they are. I think I'll run next year.:( Well, a student body president can't exactly campaign on the stand that he's ""tough on crime"". Their job is to listen to what people want and fund things that make sense. Condoms and marijuana aren't exactly the worst things to have available either... don " 2983,12,"From: sciamanda@edinboro.edu Subject: Re: Emergency Vehicle Sensors? traffic-light-phreaks? Organization: Edinboro University of PA Lines: 21 In article , linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) writes: > Folks, > > Here in the Dallas area I have noticed that it is quite common to see an odd > ""sensor"" on top of traffic lights. These have been here for at least six > years. I've often wondered what they are. > . . . > Mike Linnig, Texas Instruments Inc. | 97.43% of all statistics are made | > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Here in Erie, PA there is a system in the inner city called Rado-Lite (a trade name) which allows police and ambulance vehicles to gain right of way by controlling traffic lights through RADIO signals. The receivers look much like what you describe, but they include a UHF whip antenna (less than a foot tall) and a light which flashes on and off to let traffic know that an emergency vehicle has taken control and is approaching. Local folklore says this system was invented here; I don't know if this company has any other installations. It has been in operation for at least 30 years, going only by my memory. Bob Sciamanda Edinboro Univ of PA " 2984,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 39 In article warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) writes: > >The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip. >Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a >copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you >that ""they wont use them unless its totally neccessary."" I sure >wouldn't want that. Why should encryption be any different? Actually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their ""product"" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some ""trusted"" pair of escrow agencies) has to have the key. Most of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our cars (or can get them quickly from the VIN number), and I have no doubt that if presented with a court order, they'd surrender copies to the government. Chances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks they've installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they'd also provide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order. The state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they have a court order. Bad analogy. This is not to argue for or against the proposal, but rather better distinctions are required in thinking about it than ""house key, safe-deposit keys, etc."". David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 2985,2,"Subject: Re: W4WG & Novell From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ) Reply-To: Nick FitzGerald Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Lines: 27 In article <1rh2mi$ea4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan) writes: > If I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access > drive f: to log in to Novell. > If I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG > drives from the file-manager. > > It seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE = > statement in my Config.Sys. First off, I haven't used W4WG (but I think that's about to change!). The problem is the LASTDRIVE command and the way NetWare in general (and in this case NETX in particular) adds drives to the device chain. Setting LASTDRIVE=Z means there are no ""unassigned"" (as opposed to ""unused"") drive letters for NetWare to use, as it tacks its drive mappings -onto the end- of the existing list of drives. W4WG obviously attaches its network drives to ""existing, unused"" drive letters. I'd guess the next thing I'd try is something like LASTDRIVE=M, which on most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for W4WG and still allow up to 13 NetWare drive mappings as well. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Nick FitzGerald, PC Applications Consultant, CSC, Uni of Canterbury, N.Z. n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz TEL:+64(3)364 2337, FAX:+64(3)364 2332 " 2986,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 66 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. What's ""loosing?"" >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. I vote. I don't consider RKBA an abomination. >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. I'm sure Sarah Brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and raving. However, Clinton has not publically stated that he would like to repeal the Second Amendment. ""Tough titty"" to you. >You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of >cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you >can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. Are we going to ""make do without"" like the people in New York City? You know New York City: That gun ban utopia you dream about, with the millions of unregistered handguns? New York City, by the way, has a very high crime rate. Perhaps you should know about a gungrabber's nightmare - Idaho. Here in Idaho, the police give concealed carry permits to anyone over 21 without a criminal record. There are no gungrabber schemes such as FOIDs, waiting periods, ""gun a month,"" or LTCs. And horror of horrors! You don't even NEED a permit to carry a concealed weapon while outside of city limits (although you do need a permit for concealed carry in an automobile). I feel a hell of a lot safer in Boise than I would in your gun ban dream state (e.g., Washington, D.C.). >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! The voting public in Idaho is staunchly pro-gun. Both senators are NRA-endorsed ""A"" rated! Buy a clue, pal. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. > Get out your wallet and buy another clue. There are millions upon MILLIONS of pre-1968 (i.e., non-4473'ed) firearms out there. They have a half-life approaching eternity. And cosmoline is not exactly tracked by the feds. >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... > Gun control laws were passed to PROTECT the KKK from blacks! Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 2987,12,"From: cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 21 : While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up KNBR, AM 1070, : a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles. They had an ad : claiming that they were able to get traffic flow information from : all of the thousands of traffic sensors that CalTrans has placed : under the pavement. Does CalTrans sell this info? Does KNBR have : an exclusive? What's the deal? : ==Doug ""Former L.A. commuter"" Claar You were right the second time, it is KNX. Believe it or not, I also listen to KNX in the evenings here in Colorado! It's kind of fun driving through the country listening to traffic jams on the 405. Back to your original question. Yes, there are sensors just past every on-ramp and off-ramp on the freeways. They're the same sensors used at most stoplights now (coils in the pavement). You might want to give CalTrans a call or even ask Bill Keene (KNX's traffic reporter). I doubt if just anyone can get the information, but it would be worth asking just in case you can get it. Charlie Brett (former LA commuter) Ft. Collins, CO " 2988,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade Distribution: na Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 42 In article , margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes: > In <1993Apr3.041411.23590@ncsu.edu> dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes: # # ""Abortions destructive of the fetus must be permitted, even # # just before birth, if they promote what the [Supreme] Court # # calls ``health'' # # Yes, Doug, we all know that Roe v. Wade prevents states from prohibiting # abortions necessary to preserve the life or health of the woman. Only # very stupid people (such as yourself) confuse a discussion of mental health # related to ""Jane Doe"", who was in a mental institution, and attempt to claim # that this same argument could be applied to a woman who decided she wanted # an abortion because she was having a ""bad hair day"". # # As you well know, the facts are that there are about 100 third-trimester # abortions performed in this country annually, and those are *only* done for # *serious* health reasons. # -- # Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet) Hmmm. Human gestation period is something like 39 weeks. That means third trimester abortions are those done after 26 weeks. In consulting a 1989 World Almanac, I see that 1% of abortions in 1983 were done at 21 weeks or more. That's about 1268 abortions in 1983 after 21 weeks. Unless the number of abortions performed has dropped dramatically, or a LOT of abortions are done between 21 and 26 weeks, I think you are wrong. By the way, Roe v. Wade allowed states to adopt very, very broad prohibitions on third-trimester abortions, but some states, such as California, declined to do so. It was reported* that what finally stopped third trimester elective abortions in the Bay Area wasn't law, but that the only hospital doing them ran out of nurses, then doctors, willing to do them. Not surprisingly, the bay area NOW chapter was terribly upset about this. I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice doesn't have a grain of truth to it. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 2989,0,"Subject: Re: Request for Support From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr5.095148.5730@sei.cmu.edu> dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) writes: >2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it >something similar to the following: > > ""Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."" Agreed. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 2990,10,"From: franti@polaris.utu.fi (Pasi Fr{nti) Subject: Re: Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion? Organization: University of Turku, Finland Lines: 25 MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: >Not too low perhaps, but surely not as high as that of an European NHL >division. The Finnish team, for example, would contain all players currently on >the national team plus a top-class foreigner or two. They would be in an >entirely different league than TPS or Jokerit, both of whom have perhaps a >dozen players of international class - if even that. Why settle for a minor >league when you could have the best? It is no matter what you call the teams, Jokerit and TPS, or Helsinki Tornado and Turku Typhoon, the best palyers in Finland would eventually end up in those teams anyway, if they were in the ""big"" league. >I'd rather spend 150 Marks to watch the Helsinki Tornado play Montreal, the NY >Rangers or Los Angeles than 50 Marks(?) for the privilege to see Jokerit vs. >JypHT or even Djurgardens IF. There's nothing like the NHL, period. Unrealistic for now. Maybe we should first just expand Finnish league to allow teams from Baltic countries to entry! Then others will get interested in the idea, that maybe one should settle something bigger. The ultimate goal, as you want it, would be European Division in NHL. Btw. does that make a final with an Europan team against Norht American? " 2991,3,"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 56 I have just installed a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card in a '486DX2-66 system with 256K cache, and 16 megs of memory, that gets about a 126 SI 6.0 CPU Benchmark rating. Using the 1024x768x16 color driver under Windows, I am getting a Winbench Winmarks rating of only about 9.5 Million. Since I have heard that others get 15-to-16 million for this card, I assume that something is very wrong with my setup. What are some possible causes of the card slowing down like this? I ran the Qualitas ASQ diagnostic program on memory, and I noted the following memory timings on my machine: ASQ v1.30 by Qualitas SYSTEM ANALYSIS Mon Apr 19, 1993 11:43:49AM page: 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCESS TIMING Hex KB KB Access Speed Ratio (%) Start Start Size Time us 0 25 50 75 100 00000 0 32 396 ****************** 00800 32 32 598 ***************** 01000 64 32 157 ******************** 01800 96 32 180 ******************** 02000 128 64 157 ******************** 03000 192 32 165 ******************** 03800 224 128 156 ******************** 05800 352 96 169 ******************** 07000 448 32 153 ******************** 07800 480 32 188 ******************** 08000 512 96 158 ******************** 09800 608 32 171 ******************** 0A000 640 96 1221 ************** 0B800 736 32 1581 ************ 0C000 768 32 312 ******************* 0C800 800 96 154 ******************** 0E000 896 64 3957 * 0F000 960 64 312 ******************* Note two things on this chart: 1) The video memory appears to be many orders of magnitude slower than system memory. Are there wait states being inserted here, and what would cause that? 2) The EMS Page frame seems to be ridiculously slow, even though it is being mapped to the fast XMS memory in my system through EMM386. What's going on there? Note that my Stealth 24's video BIOS at C000-C7FF is being shadowed through the AMI BIOS. Any ideas on what might be happening here? -- Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com " 2992,0,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: free moral agency Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 24 In article , house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes: |> marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) writes: |> |> >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: |> |> >> you might think ""oh yeah. then why didn't god destroy it in the bud |> >>before it got to the point it is now--with millions through the |> >>ages suffering along in life?"" |> >> the only answer i know is that satan made the claim that his way was |> >>better than God's. God is allowing satan the chance to prove that his way |> >>is better than God's. we all know what that has brought. |> |> >Come on! God is allowing the wishes of one individual to supercede the |> >well-being of billions? I seriously doubt it. Having read the Bible |> >twice, I never got the impression that God and Satan were working in some |> >sort of cooperative arrangement. |> |> Read the book of Job. |> Oh, that was just a bet. Brian /-|-\ " 2993,14,"From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg) Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au Lines: 34 Original to: keithley@apple.com G'day keithley@apple.com 21 Apr 93 22:25, keithley@apple.com wrote to All: kc> keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley), via Kralizec 3:713/602 kc> But back to the contest goals, there was a recent article in AW&ST about a kc> low cost (it's all relative...) manned return to the moon. A General kc> Dynamics scheme involving a Titan IV & Shuttle to lift a Centaur upper kc> stage, LEV, and crew capsule. The mission consists of delivering two kc> unmanned payloads to the lunar surface, followed by a manned mission. kc> Total cost: US was $10-$13 billion. Joint ESA(?)/NASA project was $6-$9 kc> billion for the US share. kc> moon for a year. Hmmm. Not really practical. Anyone got a kc> cheaper/better way of delivering 15-20 tonnes to the lunar surface within kc> the decade? Anyone have a more precise guess about how much a year's kc> supply of consumables and equipment would weigh? Why not modify the GD plan into Zurbrin's Compact Moon Direct scheme? let one of those early flight carry an O2 plant and make your own. ta Ralph --- GoldED 2.41+ * Origin: VULCAN'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-1204 3:713/6 (3:713/635) " 2994,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: CAN'T BREATHE Article-I.D.: pitt.19438 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 33 In article <1p8t1p$mvv@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > >Re: the prostate treatment is worse than the disease...In medicine there >really is something histologically identified as prostate tissue and >there are observable changes which take place, that whenever they occur, >can be identified as prostate cancer. What if I told you that most chiropractorstreat Subluxation (Spinal Demons), which don't exist at all. Therefore any >tissue damage incurred in a chiropractic treatment performed >in an effort to exorcise this elusive Silent Killer, such as ligamentous >damage and laxity, microfracture of the joint surfaces, rib fractures, >strokes, paralysis,etc., is by definition worse than non-treatment. > >John Badanes, DC, CA >email: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu What does ""DC"" stand for? Couldn't be an antichiropractic posting from a chiropractor, could it? My curiosity is piqued. Prostate CA is an especially troublesome entity for chiropractors. It so typically causes bone pain due to spinal metastases that it gets manipulated frequently. Manipulating a cancer riddled bone is highly dangerous, since it can then fracture. I've seen at least three cases where this happened with resulting neurologic damage, including paraplegia. This is one instance where knowing how to read x-rays can really help a chiropractor stay out of trouble. DO chiropractors know what bony mets from prostate look like? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 2995,9,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: My '93 picks (with only one comment) Article-I.D.: master.1psqpdINNh9v Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <12786@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: > In article <1psbg8INNgjj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> > rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes: > >In article jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. > >Russell) writes: > >> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes: > >> >National League West > >> > Cincinnati ---- > >> > Houston 5.0 > >> > Atlanta 8.0 > >> ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees > >> of the 20's and 30's has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and > >> years to come) Braves. I don't think that the All-Star team will be able > >This may be an appropriate comparison. > >The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing > >18, 16 and 13-1/2 games out of first. > >In 1933,'34 and '35 they also finished second ( though they were only > >7, 7 and 3 games out). > >Even great teams can lose - That's why they play the season. > >(on the other hand... I'm still picking the Braves to go all the way) > Um, surely you didn't intend to compare the '93 Reds with the > 29 Philidelphia A's. The Yankees were finishing 2nd to > a team that was as good as the 26-28 Yankees, while the > Yankees had aged some from their peak years. Ruth and Gehrig > couldn't play every position simultaneously. > > IMO, given the various ages of the Braves and Reds this season, > that the Braves will be closer to their peak, while the Reds > have slightly passed their peak. > > Also, if you're going to compare Braves and Yankees, a more appropriate > comparison to the '93 Braves might be the '23 Yankees. > After falling short two years in a row in exciting World Series, > both teams won/will win the Series this year, despite the > heroics of some old fart on the other team. > (Casey Stengel/ Dave Winfield???) Perhaps so. I was only responding to the ""Yankees of the 20's and 30's"" part of the comment. If those teams were a 'sure thing' and lost, then it's probably not so unreasonable for someone to pick another team (not that I did). john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Go Brewers! " 2996,14,"From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: aladin.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) asked: |> |> Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used |> to compute sunrise and sunset times. |> |> I would appreciate any advice. |> |> Joe Wetstein |> jpw@coe.drexel.edu To compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written by Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu Uwe Bonnes bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de " 2997,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenians will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 163 In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: DA] Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian DA] soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. > Well, this is your opinion ! Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? If you feel that you can simply act as a fascist Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. This time, fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri men, women and children. Not a chance. > The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992 > Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war ------------------------------------------- > Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from Agdam ------ > Khojaly used to be a barren town, with empty shops and treeless dirt roads. Yet it was still home to thousands of people who, in happier times, tended fields and flocks of geese. Last week it was wiped off the map. > ....... > As sickening reports trickled in to the Azerbaijani border town of Agdam, and the bodies piled up in the morgues, there was little doubt that Khojaly and the stark foothills and gullies around it had been the site of the most terrible massacre since the Soviet Union broke apart. ....... > I was the last Westerner to visit Khojaly. That was in january and people were predicting their fate with grim resignation. Zumrut Ezoya, a mother of four on board the helicopter that ferried us into the town, called her community ""sitting ducks, ready to get shot"". She and her family were among the victims of the massacre on February 26. ....... > ""The Armenians have taken all the outlying villages, one by one, and the government does nothing."" Balakisi Sakikov, 55, a father of five, said. ""Next they will drive us out or kill us all,"" said Dilbar, his wife. The couple, their three sons and three daughters were killed in the assault, as were many other people I had spoken to. ...... > ""It was close to the Armenian lines we knew we would have to cross. There was a road, and the first units of the column ran across then all hell broke loose. Bullets were raining down from all sides. we had just entered their trap."" > The azeri defenders picked off one by one. Survivors say that Armenian forces then began a pitiless slaughter, firing at anything moved in the gullies. A video taken by an azeri cameraman, wailing and crying as he filmed body after body, showed a grizzly trail of death leading towards higher, forested ground where the villagers had sought refuge from the Armenians. > ""The Armenians just shot and shot and shot,"" said Omar Veyselov, lying in hospital in Agdam with sharapnel wounds. ""I saw my wife and daughter fall right by me."" > People wandered through the hospital corridors looking for news of the loved ones. Some vented their fury on foreigners: "" Where is my daughter, where is my son ?"" wailed a mother. ""Raped. Butchered. Lost."" > Azerbaijan has said as many as 1,000 refugees were killed as they tried to flee. The Armenians have denied this, saying the civilians were caught in ""crossfire"". ....... > Source: The Times, 2 March 1992. CORPSES LITTER HILLS IN KARABAKH ANATOL LIEVEN COMES UNDER FIRE WHILE FLYING WITH AZERBAIJANI FORCES TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGED MASS KILLINGS OF REFUGEES BY ARMENIAN TROOPS... As we swooped low over the snow-covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran. An Azerbaijani film of the places we flew over, shown to journalists afterwards, showed DOZENS OF CORPSES lying in various parts of the hills. The Azerbaijanis claim that AS MANY AS 1000 have died in a MASS KILLING of AZERBAIJANIS fleeing from the town of Khodjaly, seized by Armenians last week. A further 4,000 are believed to be wounded, frozen to death or missing... Seven of us squatted in the cabin of an Azerbaijani M24 attack helicopter as we flew to investigate the claims of the mass killings. Suddenly there was a thump against the underside of the aircraft, a red flash of tracer ripped past the starboard wing, and the helicopter rocked sharply. We swung round, and there was a deafening burst of fire from the cannon under our wing as the helicopter crew returned fire. We had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post. We swung round again, tipped to starboard and appeared to dive straight down into a valley. The brown earth swooped around our heads, the helicopter swung round again and followed the contours of the ground. Our cannon fired repeated blasts. Later it emerged that a civilian helicopter that we had been escorting had landed successfully at Nakhichevanik in the east of the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, to pick up some of the dead. We had, in fact, been attacked both by ground fire and by an Armenian helicopter. I had seen the Armenian helicopter intermittently through the window, its cannons firing, but had thought - mistakenly - that it was on ""our side"". Our group of Western journalists had embarked on a search-and-rescue flight that had become a combat mission. Our flight consisted of the civilian passenger helicopter and two M24 Soviet attack helicopters in the Azerbaijani service, nicknamed flying crocodiles for their armour. Our party was in the second crocodile. The civilian helicopter's job was to land in the mountains and pick up bodies at sites of the mass killings. The attack helicopters were there to give covering fire if necessary. The operation showed a striking sign of the disintegration of the Soviet armed forces because our pilot was a Russian officer. An Azerbaijani official told us that there were now five former Soviet military helicopters -and their pilots- fighting for Azerbaijan. ""They have signed contracts to fly for us,"" he said. The helicopter we engaged in combat was most probably flown by a brother-officer of our Russian pilot, but fighting for the Armenians. We had taken off just before 5pm on Saturday from Agdam airfield, an heated for the Armenian-controlled mountains of Karabakh, a sheer white wall in the distance. The civilian helicopter picked up four corpses, and it was during this and a previous mission that an Azerbaijani cameraman filmed the several the several dozen bodies on the hillsides. We then took off again in a hurry and speed back towards Azerbaijani lines. Azerbaijani gunners on the last hill before the plain - and safety - gazed up at us as we passed. Back at the airfield in Agdam, we took a look the bodies the civilian helicopter had picked up. Two old men a small girl were covered with blood, their limbs contorted by the cold and rigor mortis. They had been shot. What did our Russian pilot think of the tragedy, our close shave, and the war in Nagorno-Karabakh? He gave us CHEERFUL GRIN, POLITELY DECLINED TO ANSWER QUES TIONS, AND MARCHED OFF TO HIS DINNER. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 2998,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! >>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie ! >I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption >would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the >net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't >conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion... I was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive evidence that the puck _did_ cross the line. And, the replays I saw showed fairly conclusively that the puck did _not_ cross the goal line at any time anyway. Somebody screwed up. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 2999,15,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Oulu, Finland Lines: 183 First, I thank collectively all people who have given good answers to my questions. In my follow-up to Jason Smith's posting, I will address some issues that have caused misunderstanding: Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: > In article kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: > I also concede that I was doubly remiss, as I asserted ""No reasonable > alternative exists"", an entirely subjective statement on my part (and one > that could be invalidated, given time and further discovery by the > scientist). I also understand that a proving a theory does not necessarily > specify that ""this is how it happened"", but proposes a likely description of > the phenomena in question. Am I mistaken with this understanding? Yes, to some degree. There was an excellent discussion in sci.skeptic on the nature of scientific work two weeks ago, I hope it did not escape your notice. The correct word is 'likely'. There is no way to be sure our models and theories are absolutely correct. Theories are backed up by evidence, but not proved - no theory can be 'true' in a mathematical sense. However, theories are not mere descriptions or rationalisations of phenomena. It is extremely important to test whether theories can _predict_ something new or not yet observed. All successful theories science has come up with have passed this test, including the Big Bang theory of cosmic evolution, the theory of natural selection etc. It does not mean they _must_ be correct, but they are not mere 'best fits' for the data. > = But if you claim that there must be > = an answer to ""how"" did the universe (our spacetime) emerge from > = ""nothing"", science has some good candidates for an answer. > All of which require something we Christians readily admit to: ``Faith''. Well, yes, if you want to _believe_ in them. This is not what science requires - take a good look at the theory and the evidence, see if the theory has made any successful predictions, and use your reason. Disbelievers are not punished. > The fact that there are several candidates belies that *none* are conclusive. > With out conclusive evidence, we are left with faith. This is what puzzles me - why do we need to have faith in _anything_? My fellow atheists would call me a weak atheist - someone who is unable to believe, ie, fails to entertain any belief in God. Yes, I know that one can't believe without God's help; Luther makes this quite clear in his letter to Erasmus. I'm afraid this does not change my situation. > [ a couple of paragraphs deleted. Summary: we ask ""Why does the > universe exist"" ] > = I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely > = > = 1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists? > = > = and > = > = 2) How did the universe emerge from nothing? (deletions) > = The question ""why anything exists"" can be countered by > = demanding answer to a question ""why there is nothing in nothingness, > = or in non-existence"". Actually, both questions turn out to be > = devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist > = don't exist. Tautology at its best. > Carefully examine the original question, and then the ""counter-question"". > The first asks ""Why"", while the second is a request for definition. No, it is not, although it does look like one. This is a true dichotomy, either something exists, or nothing exists. If nothing exists, nobody would ask why. If something exists, it is possible to ask why, but actually no existing being could give an answer. Imagine, for a moment, that the nobodies in non-existence could also ask: ""Why nothing exists?"" This is equivalent to my counter-question, ""why nothing exists in nothingness"". Now, ""why anything exists"" is equivalent to ""why something exists in somethingness"". _This_ is what I meant with my tautology, my apologies for the poor wording in my previous post. > I might add, the worldview of ""Things that exist do, and things that > don't...don't"" is as grounded in the realm of the non-falsifiable, > as does the theist's belief in God. It is based on the assumption > that there is *not* a reason for being, something as ultimately > (un)supportable as the position of there being a reason. Its very > foundation exists in the same soil as that of one who claims there *is* a > reason. I do indeed think there probably _is_ no reason for being, or existence, in general, for reasons I stated above. However, they will still leave open the question ""why this, and not that"", and this is where theistic explanations come in. Science cannot give reasons for any _particular_ human being's existence. > We come to this. Either ""I am, therefore I am."", or ""I am for a reason."" This is a deep philosophical question - is determinism true, or not? Also, is God deterministic or not? I tend to think this question has no meaning in His case. If I am for a reason, I've yet failed to see what it would be. From our perspective, it looks like 'I' exist for truly random reasons. I just rolled two dice - why did I get 6 and 1? How can I believe there is any better reason for my existence? > If the former is a satisfactory answer, then you are done, for you are > satisfied, and need not a doctor. If the latter, your search is just > beginning. Yes, I am satisfied with this reason, until I find something better. My 15 years of Christianity were of no help in this respect, I have to admit, but I am patient. > = Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. > = This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God > = Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, > = it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always > = existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. > This does not preclude His existence. It only seeks to identify His > *qualities* (implying He exists to *have* qualities, BTW). No, it doesn't, but I think an existing God cannot know why He exists, for an answer to this question is not knowable. Of course, this should not be any obstacle to belief in His existence. > I also have discovered science is an inadequate tool to answer ""why"". It > appears that M. Pihko agrees (as we shall see). But because a tool is > inadequate to answer a question does not preclude the question. Asserting > that 'why' is an invalid question does not provide an answer. It is impossible to know unknowable things. However, the question ""why do I exist, in particular"" is _not_ an invalid question - this is not what I said. But from our perspective, it is impossible to tell, and I can't just believe in any given explanation instead of another, especially since I found I was deluding myself. > My apologies. I was using why as ""why did this come to be"". Why did > pre-existence become existence. Why did pre-spacetime become spacetime. I think ""pre-existence"" is an oxymoron. There is no time 'outside' of this spacetime (except in some other universe), and from that perspective, our universe never was. It exists only for those who are inside it. > But we come to the admission that science fails to answer ""Why?"". Because > it can't be answered in the realm of modern science, does that make the > question invalid? No. The validity of the question has to be discussed separately; I think philosophy is of great help here. What can be known, and what is not knowable? > M. Pihko does present a good point though. We may need to ask ""What do I > as an individual Christian base my faith on?"" Will it be shaken by the > production of evidence that shatters our ""sacred cows"" or will we seek to > understand if a new discovery truly disagrees with what God *said* (and > continues to say) in his Word? This is a very good question. In trying to answer this, and numerous other questions that bothered me, I finally found nothing to base my faith on. I think it would be honest if we all asked ourselves, ""why do I believe"" or ""why I don't believe"". Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. " 3000,4,"From: censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn) Subject: Macintosh Lisa Dot Matrix Parallel Printer Organization: Dept of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland Lines: 15 I have got a dot matrix printer that came with a Lisa (I think) I wish to attach it to a PC, but have no manual. I have been told that it is some sort of C.Itoh printer in disguise. Can anyone help with manuals or info about codes to send to select fonts, italics etc. I want to write a printer driver for Protext. Thanks in advance Stuart ========================================================================= Stuart Munn DOD# 0717 Heriot-Watt University ""The sky is BLACK . . . Edinburgh therefore GOD, he is a St Mirren Scotland, EH14 4AS supporter!!!"" 031 451-3265 031 451-3261 FAX God may have a Harley . . . E-Mail censwm@UK.AC.HW.CLUST (JANET) But the Pope rides a Guzzi! ========================================================================= " 3001,10,"From: ""Terence M. Rokop"" Subject: Re: Patrick Playoffs Look Like This Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Jan Brittenson writes: >last year. The Pens' weak spot is defense and goaltending -- if Boston ... > Boston doesn't have the guns of the Pens, but the Pens doesn't have >the defense, goaltending, and discipline of Boston. Still, Boston can Why do you say this? As of now, the Pens and Bruins have played the same number of games, and given up the same number of goals. They are tied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league, behind Chicago first and Toronto second. The Pens' weak spot is defense? Only by comparison to their offense, which is second in the league to Detroit. But the Pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the Bruins are; that is, they are both very strong. Terry " 3002,10,"From: v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 15 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu In article , enolan@sharkbite.esd.sgi.com (Ed Nolan) writes... >If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with >identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins >in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking >ties. I am not sure about the tie breaker rules. However, I think if the Islanders win (Oh God, Please, Please let them win), the Islanders win the series against NJ and advances to third. ******************************************************************************** Of course no one asked me, I always interject my opinions on maters I have no concern over. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go Islanders!!!!! (I mean come on, the Jets were bad enough Go Jets for '93 " 3003,10,"From: MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Article-I.D.: auvm.93095.210625MWEINTR Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Lines: 38 Also sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ... >TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that >Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse >and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros >to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. > >If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa >gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? > >Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. >They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away >again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in >Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the >franchise. > >Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal >for the pick. > >Stephen Legge >SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca Two things: 1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago? 2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that. Go Flyers, Cup in '94... Mike --- ***Yes-Rush-Marillion-ELP-Genesis-King Crimson-Dream Theater-Beatles*** * Mike Weintraub, aka Jvi on IRC ""Courageous convictions * * mweintr@american.edu will drag the dream * * jedi@wave.cerf.net into existence"" * * The American University, Washington DC - Rush (NOT Limbaugh) * ***Go Philadelphia Flyers, Vancouver Canucks & Philadelphia Phillies*** " 3004,19,"From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) Subject: Re: Bhagavad-Gita 2.32 Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC Lines: 79 Kalki Dasa writes: >These topics are all discussed in the Vedas. In fact, the original >knowledge of all these topics comes from the Vedas. Therefore, they are >not ""newage"" at all. They are rather old by any standards. Nor is the >popularity they are currently experiencing something new. One would >think that the Vedas would be very popular among ""newagers,"" since all >the things you mention above are thoroughly described in them. Isn't that interesting?! In the Jewish tradition you are incredibly wrong! They originate in the Torah and with Jewish ancestors, specifically the Patriarch Abraham (z""l). That knowledge was sent East to India and China when Abraham gave ""gifts"" (the commentators to Jewish scripture say this was the knowledge of the occult arts) to all the rest of his children when he sent them away to the East. This assured that Isaac only, who remained with Abraham, would inherit his most important spiritual gifts, what eventually became Judaism. So you see, other religions can have very parochial views too. By the Jewish view, you are very mistaken, your scripture are not scripture, your gods are not gods, your practices a jumble of errors that lead people to idol worship and away from God. That doesn't stop us from respecting you to the extent of not trying to convert you or proselytize you and being willing to dialog in a respectful manner. We're content to let you live the way you care to live as long as you leave us be. We are happy to co-exist as long as you give us the same right. But your incredible rudeness and violent nature seems to preclude that. Too bad. Is this typical of your religion? >However, there is one difference between the ""newage"" practitioner and >the actual follower of the Vedic teachings: the typical ""newager"" >desires to acquire all the material powers and opulences mentioned in >the Vedas, without referring to their source, the Lord. He wants the >kingdom of God without God. He wants personal power without the >responsibility of acknowledging its source, without the Person from Whom >that power comes. In other words, he is just plain selfish. You are a most presumptuous fellow! How dare you presume that the ""typical"" New Ager doesn't acknowledge God and is selfish. What trite, self-righteous, ego-ful garbage! There are Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and those of many other religions here on this newsgroups for whom your words are simple slander. > ...The Vedic >follower, on the other hand, knows that no matter what one desires, one >must worship God. And the Vedas give a complete description of exactly >who is God, so that there can be no mistake in His identification. For >this reason the parts of the Vedas that deal directly with the >Personality of Godhead are not very popular among ""newagers,"" and anyone >who presents the complete Vedas as they are is branded as an >""evangelist"" (as if there is something wrong with that) even though he >is simply presenting the unadulterated Vedic teachings. Of course, from the Jewish perspective you are incredibly wrong. We'd say that there is no ""godhead"" -- just created beings who may be enjoying a good laugh at your expense. >A thief takes from others and says ""this is mine."" A ""newager"" takes >from God and says ""this is mine."" Such a false mystic must be careful to >avoid coming in contact with the real owner of the things he has stolen. >Consequently, he invents an explanation for these things that >conveniently omits the identity of their owner, the Lord. In other >words, he lies about where he got them. So not only are we selfish, we are also thieves and liars! And you expect any of us to pay attention to you and your ""religion?"" Why not call us more name? Maybe then we'll all convert in gratefullness! >However, the Lord is very merciful, and He sends His servants to remind >the ""newager"" of his own identity as spirit soul, the eternal servant of >God. Hence, although unwanted, the ""evangelist"" continues to broadcast >the complete truth. You delude yourself. -- Len Moskowitz moskowit@panix.com " 3005,15,"From: J.Hale@latrobe.edu.au Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University Lines: 35 In article , 3225200@qucdn.queensu.ca writes: > I have heard an interesting notion that sin can ""block"" our prayers to God, > i.e. God will not hear our prayers if we have not confessed our sins. Now I am > totally supportive of confessing our sins before God, but I simply do not > believe God will ""shut us out"" just because we did not confess. This is kind of > like the idea that suffering is caused by sin, which, as any Job reader will > realize, is too simpilistic. {rest deleted} Can the Father possibly not hear the words of His children. Of course He hears all your prayers. Whether you are a sinner or a saint, no questions. The real question you should be asking is: ""Does sin block OUR hearing His answer?"" And the answer to that question is a resounding YES. To paraphrase the gospel ""Many are called but few choose to listen"" and so it is with prayer. In Christ, James -- _____________________________________________________________________________ James Hale Lincoln School of Health Sciences Computing Unit La Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA James.Hale@Latrobe.Edu.Au ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes, and everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder. He can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear, and no one who is different from himself."" Text, P 418 _____________________________________________________________________________ " 3006,5,"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 57 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov In article , hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes: |> Hi, |> |> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of |> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a |> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are |> displayed one in each window? |> |> Hauke |> If you specify the rootwindow when you are creating your GC. You may use Xlib to draw over multiple windows. I have an application that does something similar for rubber banding. curs_move = XCreateFontCursor (disp_data, XC_crosshair); geom_vals.foreground = blck_pixl ^ grey_dark; geom_vals.plane_mask = AllPlanes; geom_vals.line_width = 0; geom_vals.function = GXxor; geom_vals.subwindow_mode = IncludeInferiors; evnt_mask= GCForeground | GCPlaneMask | GCLineWidth | GCFunction | GCSubwindowMode; geom_gcon= XCreateGC (disp_data, root_iden, evnt_mask, &geom_vals); later I can move the rubber band or bands using the following logic /**********************************************************************/ void Tselect::move_bands (int delt_xloc, int delt_yloc) /****/ stuff deleted ... XDrawRectangle (disp_data, root_iden, geom_gcon, sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty, sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); undraw old one sele_pntr->papax+= delt_xloc; sele_pntr->papay+= delt_yloc; sele_pntr->rootx+= delt_xloc; sele_pntr->rooty+= delt_yloc; XDrawRectangle (disp_data, root_iden, geom_gcon, sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty, sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); draw new one more stuff deleted hope this helps -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan " 3007,13,"From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: OB-GYN residency Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 16:46:24 GMT In article <1993Apr20.004158.6122@cnsvax.uwec.edu> David Nye, nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes: > >>>I believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against FMGs. > >>Is that true? I know some that won't even interview FMGs. > >I think a case could be made that this is discriminatory, particularly >if an applicant had good board scores and recommendations but wasn't >offered an interview, but I don't know if it has ever gone to court. FMGs who are not citizens are, like all aliens, in a difficult situation. Only citizens get to vote here, so non-citizens are of little or no interest to legislators. Also, the non-citizen may well be in the middle of processing for resident alien status. There is a stron sense that rocking the boat (eg. suing a residency program) will delay the granting of that status, perhaps for ever. Don Mackie - his opinions " 3008,13,"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) Subject: Re: H E L P M E ---> desperate with some VD Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 17 >I can probably buy the >tools and this solution somewhere but I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO INJECTION BY >MYSELF You may also want to buy a 'self injector' or something like that. My friend is diabetic. You load the hyperdermic, put it in a plastic case and set a spring to automatically push the needle into the skin and depress the plunger. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT... Tonight's special guest: Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 3009,12,"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Article-I.D.: dixie.8#_v!0a Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 44 wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >I have a project that was drooped in my lap that is somewhat a pain to design. >What I am looking for is a stable ultra-long solid state timer. What they want >to do is to place this thing on the Antartic ice shelf and measure the amount >of snow fall over a period of six weeks. Every two weeks, they want to trip a >selonoid to discharge different colored pellets by gas pressure out across the >snow. Then by digging down into the snow, the snow fall amount can be measured >as they come to the different color pellets. >The problem is trying to build a timer that would stand the cold (-40 degrees) >and a power source that wouldn't drain. I have looked at the XR-2204 timers and >the standard NE556 dual timers, but thier temp specs won't go that low. Also, >two weeks equates to 1,209,600 seconds per firing, which means one big timing >cap ! I have found 2.2 farad (yes, Farad !) caps that have a working voltage of >5 volts and are small in size. Why are you fooling around with analog for this job? A single chip micro and a crystal will do the job reliably and easily. An 8748 only costs about $5. That and a $1 crystal and you're in business. Embed the whole thing in a foam insulated blanket, power it from a solar cell, use the excess power to heat the assembly during the day and rely on the insulation to hold the heat during darkness. If you don't want to try thermal management, contact someone like ICL and have them cut you a special low temperature crystal. It'll cost at most $20. If you use a single chip micro, you're looking at a parts count of maybe 7. A processor, a crystal, two caps on the crystal, a power FET to fire the solenoid a flyback diode and a battery. This is fewer parts than you can build an analog timer for and is infinitely more reliable. Add a power zener diode (for heat) and a solar cell and the parts count screams up to 9. PD assemblers are available for all the common single chip micros. This application is so trivial you could even look up the op codes in the programmer's guide and create the binary with a hex editor. John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta? Write Me for info on Dixie.com. " 3010,6,"From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang) Subject: Re: Computer Parts/Camcorder Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 21 In article zardox@cscns.com (Randie O'Neal) writes: > >: 5.25"" 1.2MB and 3.5"" 1.44 Drives...new... planned on building machine, but >: ran out of funds... $30.00 each drive > >Carl, >What Brand of drives are these? Do you have documentation? >I'll go $40.00 + shipping if you have documentation... do not pay $40 for floppy drives.. they are about $40 new. also, you do not need documentation for floppies. installation for these things are idiot proof. just some advice.. -- ********************************************************************** C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook E_ngineer ********************************************************************** " 3011,5,"From: swick@news.Colorado.EDU (Ross Swick) Subject: Books on I.C.C other than I.C.C.M. Nntp-Posting-Host: nsidc2.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: cu Lines: 21 Can anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications BESIDES I.C.C.M.? I've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it but nobody SHOWS you how. O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples, Asente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at, if they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and then refer you to the ICCM. I did find one example of how to use Atoms and Properties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had my applications talking to each other. I am not sure, however, if thats the best way. I'd like to stay independent of Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go. But within X one can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups. I need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best for which purpose, and gives examples. Without examples it's all just words. Thanks in advance Ross " 3012,1,"From: sd345@city.ac.uk (Michael Collier) Subject: Converting images to HP LaserJet III? Nntp-Posting-Host: hampton Organization: The City University Lines: 14 Does anyone know of a good way (standard PC application/PD utility) to convert tif/img/tga files into LaserJet III format. We would also like to do the same, converting to HPGL (HP plotter) files. Please email any response. Is this the correct group? Thanks in advance. Michael. -- Michael Collier (Programmer) The Computer Unit, Email: M.P.Collier@uk.ac.city The City University, Tel: 071 477-8000 x3769 London, Fax: 071 477-8565 EC1V 0HB. " 3013,12,"From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: Beginner's RF ??? Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02 Lines: 27 klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes: > Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference > to RF circuits? > > I am pretty good on theory & know what different types of modulation mean, > but don't have a lot of practical experience. A book detailing working > circuits of different types (modulation, power, frequency, what is legal, > what is not, et cetera), would be very helpful. > > Thanks. Well, you might try the A.R.R.L.'s license study guides. For example, my Advanced Class study guide has lots and lots of good RF and electronics theory in it. I would imagine the other books are good too. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- -------------------------- " 3014,10,"From: dale@odie.cs.mun.ca (Dale Fraser) Subject: Re: AHL News: St John's news, part XXXVIII Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 49 brifre1@ac.dal.ca writes: >In article <1993Apr13.132906.1827@news.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes: >> Pete Raymond emailed me this piece of info. Not sure if Game 7 was >> intentionally or unintentionally omitted (ie date not set). >> >> BRI >> ================================================================ >> [begin quoted material] >> >> Because of the Moncton win Friday night Halifax was eliminated thus St. >> John's will make Halifax home. The first round of play-offs wil take place >> on these dates. >> >> April 14 - Halifax Metro Center (Leafs Home Game) >> April 17 - Halifax Metro Center >> >> April 21 - Moncton >> April 23 - Moncton >> >> April 26 - Halifax Metro Center >> >> April 30 - Moncton >> >This is a Halifax (or at least this Halifax) resident's dream come true!! >The leafs are my favorite NHL team (and no, I don't know why)!!!!!!!!! >I'd say that this is even better than the Citadels making the playoffs (a >Quebec farm team; who cares??). >By the way, for any NFLD fans....I'm sure ASN will carry some of the games >(they'd be stupid not to....but then this is ASN) I haven't heard any news about ASN carrying any games but the local cable station here in St. John's (Cable 9) is carrying the games live! Hey, it's better than nothing! GO LEAFS GO!!! Dale |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | ""Why sex is so popular | Dale Fraser dale@odie.cs.mun.ca | | Is easy to see: | Memorial University of Newfoundland | | It contains no sodium | CS Undergrad - Class of '92 | | And it's cholesterol free!"" |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | Shelby Friedman | BLUE JAYS 1992 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!! | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | *OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE DO NOT BELONG TO ME OR THIS INSTITUTION!* | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| " 3015,5,"From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber) Subject: What inexpensive monochrome X station can you recommend? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 Can someone recommend an inexpensive 19"" monochrome X station, that is not PC software emulation based? Please tell me manufacturer, model, price and any other significant specs. Thanks. -- ================================================================ Gregg Weber Let it be, open and bright like the sky, gregg@netcom.com Without taking sides, with no clouds of concepts. (510) 283-6264 - kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa ================================================================ " 3016,14,"From: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) Subject: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM Lines: 19 Distribution: world Reply-To: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) NNTP-Posting-Host: cook.mdc.com All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. If memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally reimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as Fokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh ultimately kept his total costs below that amount. But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of today? Layne Cook cook@apt.mdc.com McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co. " 3017,10,"From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 32 Here are my predictions (try not to laugh hysterically) Somebody save this so I can laugh when I win my own pool. I don't have prizes, but we all love BRAGGING RIGHTS, so winner takes them. Also. If somebody has some sort of scoring system let me know. I was thinking 1 for 1st round victories, 2 for second, 3 for 3rd, 4 for 4th But we may get alot of ties. Any ideas? 1. BUFFALO 2. MONTREAL 3. PITTSBURGH 4. WASHINGTON 5. CHICAGO 6. TORONTO 7. WINNIPEG 8. LOS ANGELES 9. MONTREAL 10.PITTSBURGH 11.CHICAGO 12.WINNIPEG 13.MONTREAL 14.CHICAGO 15. MONTREAL Richard Madison rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca " 3018,14,"From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Russian Email Contacts. Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 10 I am coordinating the Space Shuttle Program Office's e-mail traffic to NPO Energia for our on-going Joint Missions. I have several e-mail addresses for NPO Energia folks, but I won't post them on the 'Net for obvious reasons. If you need to know, give me a yell. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in the cradle forever."" -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky " 3019,15,"From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: Huh? Whuzzat? Lines: 14 In article smayo@world.std.com (Scott A Mayo) writes: >... >I think Christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is >ever disproved. ... Didn't Paul write that if the Resurrection is not true, we are the biggest fools of all? However, whether you believe in Christ or not, His teachings (e.g. love your brotherman as yourself), even if only followed at a secular level, could do a great deal to alleviate some of the problems we see today in the world. Even when I was a rabid atheist I couldn't deny that. Jeff Johnson jcj@tellabs.com " 3020,14,"From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) Subject: Re: Talking to Boeing management about SSTO type stuff from a shareholder perspective. Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 9 I might suggest giving the management some more mumble time by asking the very leading question (in two or three parts) What are your long term expectations of space market, what projects specifically are they funding by internal funds and at what levels and what competition do you expect in this area. (This last point is always worth hitting upper management with ""gently"" if you want them to think and as hard as you can if you have a good case that there really is competion) " 3021,8,"From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) Subject: Re: Living Organization: Mindcraft, Inc. Lines: 31 In article amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton) writes: >In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes: >|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the ""we all"" in that statement. >|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.) Pushing the >|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances. Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed, one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other may have a safety margin left. >Oh come on Phil. You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of >chances. Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from >getting wacked. There's a lot of luck thrown in there too. You're a very >good rider and a very lucky one too. Hope your luck holds.... Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls. On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you, you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when you were surprised by an oncoming car. That crash was due to factors that were subject to your control. I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted. -- Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com (415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu " 3022,12,"From: mustafa@seas.smu.edu (Mustafa Kocaturk) Subject: How starters work really Keywords: fluorescent bulb starter neon Nntp-Posting-Host: turbo_f.seas.smu.edu Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas Lines: 28 In article <734953838.AA00509@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes: > >So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon, >heating up and shorting out, thus providing a loop to power the heaters in >the main tube. When the tube fires, insufficient current runs through the >starter to keep the heat up and the bi-metalic strip straightens out >(O/C). Imprecise. This description 1. ignores the role of the ballast, 2. misrepresents the heating effects in the starter. The bimetalic strip cools down immediately after the contacts short circuit, because the neon discharge stops, and much less heat is generated from the I^2R loss in the metal as compared to the neon discharge. The starter contacts open before the tube fires. Actually, the tube fires as a result of the back-emf generated in the ballast because of this immediate opening of the starter's contacts. A capacitor is connected in parallel with the contacts to prevent excessive arcing during the firing. The neon reionizes but does not draw sufficient current to prevent firing of the tube itself. -- Mustafa Kocaturk mustafa@seas.smu.edu EE Dept., Room 305A, Caruth Bldg. Home: 214-706-5954 Office: 214-768-1475 SMU Box 753190, Dallas, TX 75275 " 3023,17,"From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 25 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: > >>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky >>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including >>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? > >If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery >batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe >civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians >in a military bunker. > >Ed. Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in the middle east! I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. " 3024,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Release on USIA Appointments Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 101 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA, MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING Washington, D.C. - President Clinton today announced his intention to nominate American University President and former State Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director of the United States Information Agency. The President also designated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International Broadcasting. ""Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education, communications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him well as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals of democracy and freedom abroad,"" the President said. President of American University in Washington, D.C. since 1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977 he served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents Carter and Reagan. In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate to the General Conference of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as joint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in Ethiopia. USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an independent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch that explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national security interests abroad through a wide range of information programs. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic program, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television system and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers. The agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries. (more) Press Release pg. 2 Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International Broadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991. ""Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of International Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as chairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad,"" the President said. Biographical sketches of the appointees follow: Joseph Duffey has served as President of American University since 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings Institution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the Department of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees from American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named Commander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979. Duffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from the Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale University in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary Foundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business- Higher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the Western Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is married to Anne Wexler and has four sons. Daniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th District of Florida and has served on the Board of International Broadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979 - 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and was appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional Representative to the United Nations. -30-30-30- " 3025,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 18 Kent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote: : In article <11838@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert : Beauchaine) wrote: : > Someone spank me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lord, Liar, or Lunatic : > originate with C.S. Lewis? Who's this Campollo fellow anyway? : I do think so, and isn't there a clear connection with the ""I do : believe, because it is absurd"" notion by one of the original : Christians (Origen?). There is a similar statement attributed to Anselm, ""I believe so that I may understand"". In both cases reason is somewhat less exalted than anyone posting here could accept, which means that neither statement can be properly analysed in this venue. Bill " 3026,1,"From: markl@hunan.rastek.com (Mark Larsen) Subject: Re: Ray tracer for ms-dos? Organization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL Lines: 32 In article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: > >Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good >free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save >them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) > >Thanks in advance > >Daemon There are 2 books published by M&T BOOKS that come with C source code on floppies. They are: Programming In 3 Dimensions, 3-D Graphics, Ray Traycing, and Animation by: Christopher D. Watkins and Larry Sharp. Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C by: Christopher D. Watkins, Stephen B. Coy, and Mark Finlay. I have the first book and it is a great intro to 3-D, Ray Tracing and Animation. Most of the programs are on the disk compiled and ready to run. I have only glanced at the second book but it also appears to be good. Hope this helps! Mark Larsen --------------------------------------------------------------------------- markl@hunan.rastek.com ""This R2 unit has a bad motivator!"" - Luke, Star Wars " 3027,1,"From: aron@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Aron Bonar) Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tikal.ced.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr22.021708.13381@hparc0.aus.hp.com>, doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes: |> FOMBARON marc (fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr) wrote: |> : Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? |> : Thank you for helping |> |> |> No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some |> of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let |> you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading. |> |> douginoz Wrong...the major improvements for 2.01 and 2.01a are in the use of IPAS routines for 3d studio. They have increased in speed anywhere from 30-200% depending on which ones you use. All the Yost group IPAS routines that you can buy separate from the 3d studio package require the use of 2.01 or 2.01a. They are too slow with 2.00. " 3028,13,"From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr5.165716.59@immunex.com>, rousseaua@immunex.com writes: > In article , ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) writes: >> >> When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without >> any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without >> experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? >> >> Ho Leung Ng >> ng4@husc.harvard.edu OOPS. My original message died. I'll try again... I always understood (perhaps wrongly...:)) that the bacteria in our digestive tracts help us break down the components of milk. Perhaps the normal flora of the intestine changes as one passes from childhood. Is there a pathologist or microbiologist in the house? Anne-Marie Rousseau e-mail: rousseaua@immunex.com (Please note that these opinions are mine, and only mine.) " 3029,1,"From: squeegee@world.std.com (Stephen C. Gilardi) Subject: Need PostScript strokeadjust info Summary: Seeking algorithm for endpoint ""snapping"" Keywords: postscript emulation adjust stroke strokeadjust Organization: SQ Software via The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 31 I need information on the Display PostScript strokeadjust feature. This feature adjusts the endpoints of lines so that the displayed line looks better on low resolution devices. The PostScript literature explains the process to some extent. They also give an example of how to ""emulate"" strokeadjust in PostScript environments where it is absent. The suggested emulation is to modify the coordinates of the endpoints of a line using the following formula for each coordinate: new_coord = (round (old_coord - 0.25)) + 0.25 Doing this we end up with all coordinates ending in "".25"". From reading I thought that what they might actually do is: new_coord = ((trunc (old_coord * 2)) / 2) + 0.25 This results in all the coordinates ending in either ""0.25"" or ""0.75"" whichever is closer. By doing some actual comparisons with Display PostScript, I find that neither of these is what DPS really uses. Since I like how the DPS result looks better than how my stuff looks, I'd like to know if anyone who knows how DPS does it is willing/able to tell me. Thanks, --Steve squeegee@world.std.com " 3030,10,"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: Brown University Ordered To Restore Two Women's Varsity Teams Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 49 I found this press release from Trial Lawyers for Public Justice on another system, and thought it would be of interest on campuses where the administration or the athletics department wants to eliminate the women's ice hockey team. Women Athletes, TLP Win Sex Discrimination Ruling: Brown University Ordered to Restore Two Women's Varsity Teams To: National Desk, Sports Writer Contact: Lynette Labinger, 401-421-9794, home 401-274-7507, or Ray Marcaccio, 401-831-8900, both of Trial Lawyers For Public Justice WASHINGTON, April 16 -- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston has upheld a U.S. District Court order requiring Brown University to immediately reinstate its women's gymnastics and volleyball teams to full varsity status. The ruling in Cohen et al. v. Brown University is the first appeals court decision in the nation applying Title IX to intercollegiate athletics. Trial Lawyers for Public Justice (TLPJ), is the national public interest law firm representing the women athletes. ""This ruling makes clear what we have said all along -- if a school wants to eliminate teams before women have their fair share of opportunities to participate, they can only eliminiate men's teams,"" said TLPJ Executive Director Arthur Bryant, co-counsel in the case. The class action, filed April, 1992, charged Brown with violating Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination by all educational institutions receiving federal funds. Brown terminated the two women's teams as university-funded sports in May 1991, allowing them to continue to compete against varsity teams if they could raise their own funds for uniforms, travel, coaches, and all other expenses. They had also been denied admission preferences for use in recruiting new members. ""This is a major victory for women and the cause of equal rights,"" said TLPJ lead counsel Lynette Labinger of Providence's Roney & Labinger. ""Universities across America need to reevaluate their programs quickly. Title IX is the law and it's going to be enforced."" Three similar Title IX appeals await decision. Colorado State University, Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP), and Colgate University are asking federal appeals courts to overturn court orders requiring them to reinstate or establish specific women's varsity teams. Continuing its cutting-edge Title IX activities, TLPJ is representing women athletes at IUP. In addition to Labinger and Bryant, TLPJ's legal team included: Ray Marcaccio of Blish & Cavanagh and Amato DeLuca of Mandell, DeLuca & Schwartz in Providence; and Sandra Duggan of Philadelphia. The National Women's Law Center, Women's Sports Foundation, and National Association for Girls and Women in Sports filed an amicus brief in support of TLPJ's appeal. -30- " 3031,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: na Lines: 13 This game would have been great as part of a double-header on ABC or ESPN; the league would have been able to push back-to-back wins by Le Magnifique and The Great One. Unfortunately, the only network that would have done that was SCA, seen in few areas and hard to justify as a pay channel. )-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 3032,4,"From: cph@quake.sylmar.ca.us (charles hobbs) Subject: Color inks for Stylewriter Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA Lines: 9 I know that Jet Inc makes refills for the Stylewriter and Deskwriter ink jet cartridges in several colors....but are pre-filled cartridges in color available from anyone (or do I have to use-up one cartridge before I have a chance to print in color?) Also, are inks in process colors (cyan, magenta, yellow) available to refill cartridges? Thanks in advance.... " 3033,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Use of codine in narcolepsy. Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <1993Mar26.005148.7899@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> stevel@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Steve Lancaster) writes: >3) Is there any way around the scheduled drug mess so that he can use >just the substance that works and not one adulterated with Tylenol? >Can the MD perscribe a year long supply on one script? His doctor >basically refused to prescribe it, saying ""His clinic does not prescribe >controled substances. Its is 'company' rule.!"" > Short of changes by the feds, there is no way. Codeine alone is very difficult to prescribe without a lot of hassles. Tylenol #3 is the best compromise. That way he can get refills. The amount of acetominophen he is getting with his codeine won't hurt him any. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3034,18,"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: GrinchCo Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu Summary: More on failed governments News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr18.200255.13012@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... >In article <18APR199314034390@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >>In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... >>> :>:It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal :>:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose :>:that never seems to occur?... :> :> :>I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant :>combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also, :>they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable :>society anyway. : :And the reason that the Soviet Union couldn't achieve the ideal of pure :communism was the hostility of surrounding capitalist nations...Uh huh. :Somehow, this all sounds familiar. Once again, utopian dreams are :confronted by the real world... >Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM Steve, you're the one who suggested that a failed government should be an ideal proving ground, I never felt that way in the first place. Quite the contrary, I think a better proving ground would be someplace that already had a governemnt that would prevent outright acts of agression, yet had a strong spirit of individualism and initiative. Someplace like... Texas :-) Mr. Grinch " 3035,4,"From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) Subject: Noisy SE: What can I do? Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu There's this old SE here. It's got the older-style fans that remind me of a house-ventilator. A cylindrical drum instead of the bladed rotor I usually see. Anyway, the SE makes this loud buzzing noise due to vibration somewheres. If I remove the screws and loosen the front from the back, it quiets down. I can only assume that the fan housing from this goofy thing is touching the back of the case and vibrating against it. Anyway, any suggestions for where to get replacement fans and how to ""stealth"" this guy? Your experiences welcome..... -- ""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. " 3036,6,"From: artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art) Subject: Re: Brand new IDE/Floppy/2S/2P/1G card for sale Organization: MMC Lines: 34 In article , bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) writes: |> |> For Sale |> ******** |> |> IDE Multi I/O Card -- Brand new |> |> Controls: |> * (2) IDE hard drives |> * (2) floppy drives (3.5"" or 5.25"", high |> or low density |> * (2) serial ports |> * (1) parallel port |> * (1) game port |> |> All in one card, measuring 2.5"" x 6""!! |> |> This card is *brand* new (never been opened, much |> less used at all). |> |> **** $35.00 (including all shipping charges!) ***** |> |> bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu |> |> |> |> |> ------------------------------------------------------------ |> Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu |> Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu |> Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet |> A friend of mine is selling the same thing for $25.00!!! ( NEW ) " 3037,4,From: horton@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Horton) Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC! Nntp-Posting-Host: molbio.cbs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 3 Tests suck! Post a real message! :^) 3038,4,"From: feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman) Subject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610??? Keywords: Centris Nntp-Posting-Host: charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center Lines: 32 In article dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David L. Berk) writes: > I recently purchased a Centris 610 and a Mirror Technologies 19 inch > Mono monitor. I'm wondering if it is OK to set the monitor on top > of the CPU. The monitor weighs 54 lbs. > > I've called Apple. The person I spoke with was not sure but was > going to find out and call me back in a couple of days. That was > over a week ago.... > > If anybody knows, please respond via email as I don't always have time > to read this group. Thanks. > > David Berk > d-berk@uiuc.edu Yea, thanks to lots of good information in this newsgroup, I was prepared for lots of details (even shipping time ... got my C610 8/230/CD in 5 weeks). I guess my biggest disappointment is the lack of detail in the written specs and documentation. The case load spec is an example -- the setup section says Apple 14"" and 16"" monitors can go on top, but 21"" and other big ones can't. Why couldn't they publish a maximum load? Now if I can figure out if there's any hope using the ""partition"" button on the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?), then maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more securly. The ""getting more information"" section of the manual suggested trying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn't mention the net. -- Mike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550 1101 East University Avenue Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009 Urbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com " 3039,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Observations Article-I.D.: netnews.118467 Distribution: na Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu On the Lindros ""trade"": Like Ottawa would be stupid enough to get Lindros. Why do you think Quebec traded him? Lindros would go on personal strike again...maybe I should talk to Ottawa mgmt. about arranging such a trade.... ;-) On that xenophobe: Thankfully nobody agreed with him publicly. Maybe we should look at baseball, the supposed ""American"" pasttime (sp?). Look at all the damn Latin Americans playing there! They should all be deported! They aren't American! (add sarcasm to taste) To Roger: Wow, for once we agree. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come.... I'll become a ranting lunatic who talks about nothing but the Leafs being the best in the Campbell. ;-) On the Rangers: I told someone that nothing that happened in the Patrick would surprise me anymore. I lied. How the hell can a team go into Washington, earn a shutout, then come back home and lose to pitiful Hartford? The absolute *pinnacle* of mediocrity. I can't stand it. From what I've read, the goalie is to blame this time, as Beezer played pretty poorly. Smith is talking about calling up Corey Hirsch from Binghamton, everybody is pointing fingers... this is definitely not the same team which wanted to prove itself in Washington. *Now* nothing that happens in the Patrick will surprise me. (Yeah, right... ;-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 " 3040,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: The Orders for the Turkish Extermination of the Armenians #17 Summary: To the children of genocide: ""Send them away into the Desert"" Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr6.115347.10660 Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 145 The Orders for the Turkish Extermination of the Armenians #17 To the children of genocide: ""Send them away into the Desert"" This is part of a continuing series of articles containing official Turkish wartime (WW1) governmental telegrams, in translation, entailing the orders for the extermination of the Armenian people in Turkey. Generally, these telegrams were issued by the Turkish Minister of the Interior, Talaat Pasha, for example, we have the following set regarding children: ""To the Government of Aleppo. November 5, 1915. We are informed that the little ones belonging to the Armenians from Sivas, Mamuret-ul-Aziz, Diarbekir and Erzeroum [hundreds of km distance from Aleppo] are adopted by certain Moslem families and received as servants when they are left alone through the death of their parents. We inform you that you are to collect all such children in your province and send them to the places of deportation, and also to give the necessary orders regarding this to the people. Minister of the Interior, Talaat"" [1] ""To the Government of Aleppo. September 21, 1915. There is no need for an orphanage. It is not the time to give way to sentiment and feed the orphans, prolonging their lives. Send them away to the desert and inform us. Minister of the Interior, Talaat"" [2] ""To the General Committee for settling and deportees. November 26, 1915. There were more than four hundred children in the orphanage. They will be added to the caravans and sent to their places of exile. Abdullahad Nuri. [3] ""To the Government of Aleppo. January 15, 1916. We hear that certain orphanages which have been opened receive also the children of the Armenians. Whether this is done through the ignorance of our real purpose, or through contempt of it, the Government will regard the feeding of such children or any attempt to prolong their lives as an act entirely opposed to it purpose, since it considers the survival of these children as detrimental. I recommend that such children shall not be received into the orphanages, and no attempts are to be made to establish special orphanages for them. Minister of the Interior, Talaat."" [4] ""To the Government of Aleppo. Collect and keep only those orphans who cannot remember the tortures to which their parents have been subjected. Send the rest away with the caravans. Minister of the Interior, Talaat"" [5] ""From the Ministry of the Interior to the Government of Aleppo. At a time when there are thousands of Moslem refugees and the widows of Shekid [fallen soldiers] are in need of food and protection, it is not expedient to incur extra expenses by feeding the children left by Armenians, who will serve no purpose except that of giving trouble in the future. It is necessary that these children should be turned out of your vilayet and sent with the caravans to the place of deportation. Those that have been kept till now are also to be sent away, in compliance with our previous orders, to Sivas. Minister of the Interior, Talaat"" [6] In 1926, Halide Edip (a pioneer Turkish nationalist) wrote in her memoirs about a conversation with Talaat Pasha, verifying and ""rationalizing"" this ultra-national fascist anti-Armenian mentality, the following: ""I have the conviction that as long as a nation does the best for its own interest, and succeeds, the world admires it and thinks it moral. I am ready to die for what I have done, and I know I shall die for it."" [7] These telegrams were entered as unquestioned evidence during the 1923 trial of Talaat Pasha's, assassin, Soghomon Tehlerian. The Turkish government never questioned these ""death march orders"" until 1986, during a time when the world was again reminded of the genocide of the Armenians. For reasons known to those who study the psychology of genocide denial, the Turkish government and their supporters in crime deny that such orders were ever issued, and further claim that these telegrams were forgeries based on a study by S. Orel and S. Yuca of the Turkish Historical Society. If one were to examine the sample ""authentic text"" provided in the Turkish Historical Society study and use their same forgery test on that sample, it too would be a forgery!. In fact, if any of the tests delineated by the Turkish Historical Society are performed an any piece of Ottoman Turkish or Persian/Arabic script, one finds that anything handwritten in such language is a forgery. Today, the body of Talaat Pasha lies in a tomb on Liberty Hill, Istanbul, Turkey, just next to the Yildiz University campus. The body of this genocide architect was returned to Turkey from Germany during WW2 when Turkey was in a heightened state of proto-fascism. Recently, this monument has served as a focal point for anti-Armenianism in Turkey. This monument represents the epitome of the Turkish government's pathological denial of a clear historical event and is an insult to a people whose only crime was to be born Armenian. - - - references - - - [1] _The Memoirs of Naim Bey_, Aram Andonian, 1919, pages 59-60 [2] ibid, page 60 [3] ibid, page 60 [4] ibid, page 61 [5] ibid, page 61 [6] ibid, page 62 [7] _Memoirs of Halide Edip_, Halide Edip, The Century Press, New York (and London), 1926, page 387 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 3041,12,"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 15 kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: >My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's >astonishingly sensitive to RFI. If I key a 2W HT over the engine with >the hood open, the car loses timing due to the RF leaking into the >distributor pickup. Very poor design. There was a news article a little while ago reporting a type of car (was it a Volvo?) was found to stall if you used a certain brand/model of cellular phone in it. I seem to remember the car was recalled to fix the problem. Hmmmmm... this has possibilities: If the police are in pursuit of a vehicle, maybe they can bombard it with high energy RFI. :-) " 3042,3,"From: phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut) Subject: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F Keywords: SCSI Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 27 Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer configuration is : 486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz) 16MB Ram ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec. Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk performance in that system, do I need that ? A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ? Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ? Thanks. phantom@diku.dk (e-mail is preffered) Working on a sign...... ""Are we live or on tape ??"" " 3043,11,"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: More technical details Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 120 Hmm, followup on my own posting... Well, who cares. First let me try to work out the facts that we get to know about the Clipper-Chip, from what Hellman and Denning were able to tell us: The chip itself is not confined to (digital) telephony, but performs general encryption in a symmetric manner. The chip supports CFB OFB ECB (and whatever the fourth mode of operation for DES is), the algorithm consists of 32 rounds of *whatever*, and takes 80-Bit keys. Input data seems to be 64 Bit? Yes. So if two people want secure communication (whatever that means when Clipper is involved) they have first to agree on ONE secret key. (Or is it one key per direction ?) They can exchange this key via DH-schemes or however. Somehow the two feed their so won secret key into the Clipper-chip which is now ready to work. The clipper chip carries an unique Serial-Number (30 Bit's), and 160 Key-Bits. These 160 key-bits seem to have been gained by encrypting the serial-number with 160 seed-bits. (The seed-bits seem not to be stored in the chip) At beginning of communication (and perhaps at certain invtervals whithin??) before sending the fist real 64-bit output of the first encryption the Clipper chip put's out packets (I guess 3) which represent the serial number, and the session key. This might look like X{ E[K; chipkeyK1+K2], serial number} where X is a transformation of these 3? Packets involving a family-key. This family(sp?)-key is equal for ALL chips. (X might be a simple XOR ???) After that, the (digital?) phone-call can be done as usual, every packet being encrypted and decrypted by Clipper. Denning describes how K1 and K2 shall be generated, using a seed of 160 Bit's. Now, leaving alone politics, which does not concern me as much as you, not being an American Citicien(tm) [ :-) ] , there are some weak points in this scheme, which might be exploited by several parties. As far as I know about the generation of K1,K2 ; S1 and S2 look like the obvious backdoor. They could be used to generate the chip-keys by knowing the serial-number (and also the family-key) of the chip. I really can't imagine why these seeds would be needed otherwise, as true random-sources for the generation of the K1,K2 can be bought for not to much money. Then, the escrows. Each of them will get 80 bit of a 160-Bit key. Security could (as little as existant) be maximized by giving them 160-bits each, which have to be xored together to give the K1,K2. Now let's simply assume the escrows are trustworthy, and can't be fooled by criminals or law enforchemnt agencies. (And there will be no quarrel between escrows and l.e.a which would hinder the l.e.a in doing their duties, and so on and so on) Once the keys are surrendered, the corresponding chip is compromised forever. Not very clever, IMHO [ :-)) ]. How about sending in the encrypted session-keys for each phone-call that the police (or whoever) want's to listen to? Escrows could then simply decode this session-key and send it back to police. (And would naturally not do this after the warrant has expired...) This would be a better technical solution, but I guess politics will not work that way. Apparently (as Miss Dennings stated) the only one performing actually decodes of intercepted messages shall be the FBI. Great. So local guys can not inter- cept (understand) your traffic anymore. Does this mean that the FBI monopolizes the right to do legal wiretaps ? (How is law over there, I have no idea who is allowed to tap, and who not) This certainly means that watched communi- cations will be routed automatically from the service-providing company to the FBI, if the communicaiton is a watched one. And this means as far as I understand it that the family-key has to be known by each switching- company, and those providing cellular-phone servies etcetc. So the family-key will not be very secret, and thus serial-numbers of calls will be readable by anybody who cares. I _like_ traffic-analysis! What do you guess, what happens, if you use the chip in ECB mode, and the first few packets of the chip are somehow lost or garbled? So the session key would not be actually broadcasted over the line? Hmmm. Shouldn't be so difficult to do *that* :^) And now a last point, for the other side. After all I have read and heard about Clipper (not the programming language for dBase, is it ? [:-)]) it seems to have many advantages, which shold not be overseen! Now an afterthought to your rights. Please note that I have no idea what I am talking about!!! From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) > Amendment 1 > > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or >prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, >or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to >petition the Government for a redress of grievances. If this text is actually in your Bill of Rights, who can overrule this ? But: 'Freedom of speech' is not 'Secrecy of speech' Maybe you need to extend your Amendment #4 to cover information and communication too ? I am not very sure in what position your government actually is *legally* when it tries to ban cryptography (and arms) Amendment say you may have them, but not under what conditions. Hmm, tricky situation :-( Actually it will make not much sense to discuss that topic in sci.crypt... Discussion of technical details and vulnerabilites of the system are highly suggested and appreciated :-) Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni DISCLAIMER: Everything in here is derived from things I heard and read from other persons, so everything could be wrong. All opinions and thoughts in here are mine, and subject to change without further notification. No warranty, neither implicit not explicit etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam. p.s. Please don't ask me about political opinions, as I might not bother to re- ply. (For further information read the last line of P. Metzgers signature) -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F " 3044,3,"From: pgeltner@netcon.smc.edu (Peter Geltner) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Organization: Santa Monica College, Santa Monica, CA Lines: 23 In article <1qjv95$1t1@bogus.sura.net> vargish@bogus.sura.net (Nicholas Vargish) writes: >A SoundBlater (SB) card is _supposed_ to share IRQ 7 with LPT1 >(parallel printer interface 1), and in general this scheme works well. >However, sometimes there are conflicts -- it seemed to depend on the >software more than anything else. Origin games are especially bitchy >about having the WHOLE interrupt to themselves... :^) > >My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is unreserved >in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the drives went out with >the XT architechture -- DON'T put the SB in IRQ 5 if you have an XT, >get a new computer instead). This IRQ has been completely stable for >me, and I use my SB to play .mods and .wavs under Linux (a free UN*X >for 386 or better PC-architecture machines) with _no_ problems, as >well as games under DOS... I also use IRQ 5. But there is one disadvantage. Some games assume that the board is using IRQ 7 and have no way to adjust this setting. I had trouble with some of the Lucas Films games. -- Peter Geltner Administrative Dean of Computing Santa Monica College Santa Monica, California 90405 " 3045,1,"From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: Re: MS-Windows Screen Grabber (summary) Lines: 28 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University Hi again, Many thanks to all the people who responded to my request for a MS- Windows screen grabber. It proves to me AGAIN that the net is a wonderful thing. :-) So, in summary: There are two choices: 1) Various screen grabber packages (Corel Draw has one, there are a couple on simtel and cica). 2) Use the built-in PrintScreen and Alt-PrintScreen functionality to paste the screen (or window) to the clipboard. Then paste the clipboard to your application. Cool! Again, thanks for the info... Grant (the MS-Windows newbie -- Unix and X are my bag ;-) -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== A woman's place is in the wrong. -- James Thurber " 3046,12,"Subject: Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 63 In article <1993Apr15.103953.66252@cc.usu.edu> writes: > In article , rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: > > |> It seems reasonable to me that a microwave transmitter-receiver setup could > |> do the job. For example, say you want to map an acre lot, it'd be convenient > |> to place MW transmitters around the lot's periphery (either 2 or 3) and then > |> carry a hand-held recorder and walk to a point on the lot, press a button and > |> the coords of the recorder's location is stored as digital data. > |> > |> What's the chance of this working? Any systems like this already exist? > |> What kind of accuracy could you expect? What would something like this > |> cost to prototype? Is there a better alternative than microwaves? > > Of course you could develope this system, but there is already a system called Global > Positioning Satellites. It gives three dimensional coordinates anywhere on earth. > Many surveyors use this system with a differential receiver/transmitter to get > coordinates within centimeters. Basic receivers with resolution of a few meters (on > a good day) are available from many sources. > > > -- > WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMW > > \_ \_ \_\_\_ \_\_\_ Weston R Beal > \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ sldf3@sol.ee.usu.edu > \_ \_ \_ \_\_\_ \_\_\_ sldf3@cc.usu.edu > \_\_ \_\_ \_ \_ \_ \_ Electrical Engineer > \_ \_ \_ \_ \_\_\_ Utah State University > > ""That's the wonderful thing about crayons; they can take you to > more places than a starship can."" - Guinon > > Thought it means Global Positioning System. There are two precision levels, one for army applications (killing has to be very accurate today) and one for civil ones. The civil precision is about 20 to 30m (correct me, if I'm wrong), though, it may be insufficiant for mapping buildings. But there is a way with an additional reference point (e.g. one fixed GPS system in a house) to get the same high precision as the military version, but it gets pretty complicated then. If You use a microwave system (actually this means some type of radar), You need quite a lot of number crunching to get accurate vectorized data out of Your original signals. So the GPS system seems to be the better (and running) idea for Your application(there have been discussions in this newsgroup, don't know of an address anymore). Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) -- Robert Ganter /------------\ Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | Basel/Switzerland \------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU " 3047,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: >My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no >medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. > >My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate >their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, Morphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain that severe. Obviously, she'll need a prescription to get such drugs. Can't she go to the county hospital or something? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3048,1,"From: tessmann@cs.ubc.ca (Markus Tessmann) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: larry.cs.ubc.ca stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: >They need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product, >i.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media. >There are some multi-media and digital television products out there already, >albeit, not as capable as 3DO's. But are there compelling reasons to buy >such yet? Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-) I've just had the good fortune to be hired by Electronic Arts as Senior Computer Graphics Artist at the Vancouver, Canada office. :^) The timing has a lot to do with the 3DO which EA is putting a lot of resources into. I do not know of any titles to be developed as yet but will be happy to post as things develop. I start there May 3. Markus Tessmann " 3049,1,"From: lm001@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Erwin H. Keeve) Subject: Marchin Cubes Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de Keywords: Polygon Reduction Hi there, is there anybody who know a polygon_reduction algorithm for marching cube surfaces. e.g. the algirithm of Schroeder, Siggraph'92. For any hints, hugs and kisses. - Erwin ,,, (o o) ___________________________________________oOO__(-)__OOo_____________ |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_| |_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| | | | | Erwin Keeve | adress: Peter-Welter-Platz 2 | | | W-5000 Cologne 1, Germany | | | | | Dept. of Computergraphics & | phone: +49-221-20189-132 (-192) | | Computeranimation | FAX: +49-221-20189-17 | | | | | Academy of Media Arts Cologne | Email: keeve@khm.uni-koeln.de | |_______________________________|_____________________________________| " 3050,3,"Subject: Trident 8900 switch settings (someone archive this!) From: j3gum@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Organization: Mankato State University Lines: 109 T8900DIP.TXT - Jeffrey E. Hundstad (j3gum@vax1.mankato.msus.edu) Switch Settings on the Trident 8900C ----------------------------------\ /-----------------| | --------- | | 9 ----| | xx 8 8 8 8 ------- ------- | 1 | xx | 6 | | 10 | |---| | | | 4 ------- | 2 | xx ------ j1 j2 |---| | xx 8 8 8 8 ------- -------- | 3 | | 5 | | 5 | |---| |--------------| ------- |-| -------- 7 |-| | |-----------| |-------------------| |----------- VGA Graphics Adapter Layout #1 (8-DRAM) ----------------------------------\ /-----------------| | --------- 4 j3 | | ------- 9 ----| | 11 8 8 8 8 | | -------- | 1 | | 6 | | 10 | |---| | ------- 4 ------- -------- | 2 | j2 | 5 | |---| | 11 8 8 8 8 ------- | 3 | | 5 | 4 j1 |---| |--------------| |-| -------- 7 |-| | |-----------| |-------------------| |----------- VGA Graphics Adapter Layout #2 (2/4/8 - DRAM) ----------------------------------\ /-----------------| | --------- 4 j3 | | ------- 9 ----| | 11 8 8 8 8 | | -------- | 1 | | 6 | ------- | 10 | |---| | ------- 4 | 5 | -------- | 2 | j2 ------- |---| | 11 8 8 8 8 | 5 | | 3 | 4 j3 ------- |---| |--------------| |-| |-| 4 j1 | |-----------| |-------------------| |----------- VGA GRaphics Adapter Layout #3 (2/4/8 - DRAM) 1. Dip Switches 2. DB-15 connector: For analog monitors. 3. DB-9 connector: for TTL monitors. (* NOTE #1) 4. Jumers J1, J2, J3, J4 (J3 for layouts #2 and #3, J4 for layout #3) 5. Video BIOS: Basic Input/Ouput System. 6. TVGA 8900 Chip: VGA GRaphics chip. 7. Edge connector: For IBM PC/XT, PC/AT and compatible systems. 8. Video DRAM: up to 1MB 9. Feature connector: For special applications. 10. Video DAC 11. Jumper Blocks JP1 and JP2 (2/4/8 board only) * NOTE #1 - Hardware option. Feature not present for all board versions. Switch settings for the 6 switch dip box (#1 from figures). Switch 3: Scan Rate On - Less than 48KHz (default) Off - 38-49Khz Switch 5: Fast and Slow Address Decode Off - Fast address decode (default) On - Slow address decode Switch 6: 8/16 bit Data Path Off - 16-bit data path (default) On - 8-bit data path Jumper settings J1: Settings for IRQ9 1 2 3 1 2 3 xxx xxx Off (def) On J2: Settings for Bus Size Detections 1 1 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 3 Autodetect Standard Interface (def) J3: Settings for DRAM Configuration 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 ---- | | ---- ---- | | ---- 4 5 6 4 5 6 4 5 6 Two DRAM Four DRAM Eight DRAM J4: DRAM Clock Select 1 2 3 1 2 3 xxx xxx 40 MHz 48 MHz Two DRAM 4/8 DRAM SW1 & SW2 Swich Setings | SW1 | SW2 --------------------+-----+---- VGA mode (default) | On | On EGA mode | Off | On CGA mode | On | Off MDA/Hercules mode | Off | Off " 3051,9,"From: cherylm@hplsla.hp.com (Cheryl Marks) Subject: Re: Omar Vizquel - GRAND SALAMI? Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 20 Do you think Omar's grand slam is the result of his new fan club? Last week a banner appeared in the Kingdome: OLDER WOMEN FOR OMAR Cheryl ***************************************************************************** * * Cheryl Marks * HP-UX Address: cherylm@lsid.hp.com HP Desk: CHERYL MARKS/HPA100 * Telenet: 1-335-2193 Ma Bell: (206) 335-2193 * USPS: Cheryl Marks * MS 330 * 8600 Soper Hill Road * Everett, WA 98205-1298 * * ""Too much of a good thing is wonderful."" Mae West * ***************************************************************************** " 3052,3,"From: Allen.Gervais@ttlg.UUCP (Allen Gervais) Subject: Mountain Tape Backup Lines: 18 DH>>Does anyone out their have a mountain tape backup that I could compare DH>>notes with, (jumper settings, software, ect...) DH>>or does anyone know where I could contact the makers of this drive ? DH>You can contact Mountain Network Solutions at: DH>800-458-0300 (general number) DH>408-438-7897 (tech support) DH>408-438-2665 (bbs) Thanks very much for the info David ! Especially for their tech and BBS lines. This should get me going... Bye ! ___ X SLMR 2.1a X It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a * Origin: The Keep BBS (1:342/13) " 3053,3,"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: SIMM Speed Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 27 B BK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying BK>wants 80ns simms? You shouldn't have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems with slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster. BK>Also, is it possible to plug in SIMMs of different BK>speeds into the same motherboard? ie - 2 megs of 70ns and 2 megs of 6 BK>or something like that? Sure. I have 4 70ns SIMMs in one bank and 4 60ns SIMMS in the other ( I have a 486 ). I wouldn't recommend mixing speeds within a bank, just to be on the safe side. -rdd rdesonia@erim.org --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 3054,1,"From: joerg@sax.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: About the various DXF format questions Organization: SaxNet, Dresden, Germany Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sax.sax.de Summary: List of sites holding documentation of DXF format Keywords: DXF, graphics formats Archie told me the following sites holding documentation about DXF: Host nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) Last updated 15:11 7 Apr 1993 Location: /pub/csc/graphics/format FILE rwxrwxr-- 95442 Dec 4 1991 dxf.doc Host rainbow.cse.nau.edu (134.114.64.24) Last updated 17:09 1 Jun 1992 Location: /graphics/formats FILE rw-r--r-- 95442 Mar 23 23:31 dxf.doc Host ftp.waseda.ac.jp (133.9.1.32) Last updated 00:47 5 Apr 1993 Location: /pub/data/graphic FILE rw-r--r-- 39753 Nov 18 1991 dxf.doc.Z -- J""org Wunsch, ham: dl8dtl : joerg_wunsch@uriah.sax.de If anything can go wrong... : ...or: .o .o : joerg@sax.de,wutcd@hadrian.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de, <_ ... IT WILL! : joerg_wunsch@tcd-dresden.de " 3055,5,"From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST Lines: 16 In-reply-to: whaley@sigma.kpc.com's message of 15 Apr 93 18:39:31 GMT In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: > Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics > don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your > rectangle? Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the Window is mapped. The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? " 3056,5,"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size? Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 14 In article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes: > Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of > free memory available to the Xserver? No. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering user actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu " 3057,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Competing standard Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 22 Perhaps one way of getting away from this cripple chip that the U.S. government seems to be pushing would be to come up with a good alternative. For example, how about a scheme using RSA, and some hybrid of DES-CFB and another strong stream cipher (Maybe IDEA-CFB)? This could be substantially the same as the cripple chip, except that instead of key-registration, the police could demand that you give up your secret key to them (with a court- issued warrant). Then, they could read the last few months of wiretapped messages you've sent, and assuming you've committed no crimes, you could generate a new key pair and go about your business. I find that I'd be willing to pay RSA for the right to use such a system, especially given the alternative. If you were unwilling to give up your secret key, then you'd probably stay in jail (has anyone got a real legal precedent for this?). This would allow court-issued warrants to be used to gather information on suspected criminals, but it couldn't be done in secrecy, and there would be enormously less likelihood of corruption or theft of escrowed keys. (Maybe someone from the law-enforcement or intelligent community will correct me, but this doesn't *seem* like such a big loss in terms of law-enforcement capabilities.) Any comments? --John Kelsey " 3058,10,"From: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp) Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr16.213513.7683@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: >On April 14, richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) wrote: > >or Boston? You know Sinden's going to find some way of screwing up >even this good Boston team. He'll fire Suter or trade away a vital >star. (Admittedly, his last few trades have been good ones but how >long before his luck runs out and he starts making Esposito-for- >Ratelle type trades again?) > How was this trade bad? I seem to recall Ratelle and Middleton making a pretty good centre - right wing combination, and the Bruins also got Brad Park in the deal (and they also lost Vadnais and somebody else). After the trade, the Bruins were in two finals and one semi-final, all of which, of course, they lost to Montreal (which should please you to no end). I doubt, however, keeping Esposito would have made a difference in those series, as he did not for the Rangers in '79 (or any of his years in Boston, for that matter). Riston -- Riston ------ _ ___ _ //^/o o\^\\ " 3059,11,"From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) Subject: List of large integer arithmetic packages Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 285 NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu Summary: C functions to do arbitrary-precision arith X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] This is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993. In response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of large-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard. Most of these are C function libraries, available in source form. For your convenience, I have placed copies of some of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178). They are available for anonymous FTP in the directory ""pub/bignum"". However, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases. Here they are, in no particular order: mp Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your compiler. Provides +, -, *, /, gcd, exponentiation, sqrt. Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000, and probably a few others. See ""man mp"". Object code only, of course. PARI Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines. Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020, semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow generic C version. Does both integers and reals. Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars. Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've never heard of. (""Weber's function""?) Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff. Plenty of TEX documentation. Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions. Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu. There seem to be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to: Filename: pari-1.35a.tar.Z Arithmetic in Global Fields (Arith) Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or polynomials over finite fields. Includes basic +, -, *, / and a few others like gcd. Source code in C. Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license. Includes man pages and TEX documentation. Filename: arith.tar.Z Arbitrary Precision Math Library Lloyd Zusman Los Gatos, CA C package which supports basic +, -, *, /. Provides for radix points (i.e., non-integers). Not as polished as the others here. Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988. Filename: apml.tar.Z BigNum J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others. Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL) A ""portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer"" package. C code, with generic C ""kernel"", plus assembly ""kernels"" for MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX. This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type. Implements +, -, *, /, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR. Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available. Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com. You will receive 5 shell archives. Give your postal address and you will also receive printed documentation from France. Package includes TEX documentation. Publicly available for non-commercial use. I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL doesn't like others to distribute it. However, BIGNUM *is* distributed as part of ecpp (see below). Lenstra's package Arjen Lenstra Bellcore Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C. Includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, mod, primality testing, sqrt, random number generator, and a few others. The package was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough comments to get by. This is the only of these packages that I have actually used. It works well and is very portable. I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist. Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge. Arjen has placed the code in the public domain. Filename: lenstra.tar.Z lenstra_3.1 Arjen Lenstra, Bellcore An improved version of Arjen's package above. This one does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned off as an option). Has a few new routines, too. ""lenstra_3.1"" contains minor bugfixes to the previously-available ""lenstra_2"" and ""lenstra_3"". Filename: lenstra_3.1.c bmp (Brent's Multiple Precision?) R. P. Brent 1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating & fixed point arithmetic. Includes most of the mathematical functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library. This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524. To obtain, send a mail message to netlib@ornl.gov containing the line ""send mp.f from bmp"" or better yet, perhaps just start with ""help"". SPX Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC This is a huge prototype public key authentication system based on RSA. I mention it here because those who have heard of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France. You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2). Use it only for testing, as it ""may"" expire on a certain date. (I don't know whether this has expired yet.) amp (Antti's Multiple Precision?) Antti Louko alo@kampi.hut.fi Multiple precision integer package in C. Includes +, -, *, /, %, pow, mod, 1/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd. Available for non-commercial use. The package includes ""share-secret"", a public key system based on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm. This is normally part of the well-known ""des-dist.tar.Z"", but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with cryptographic export laws, and have named the result: Filename: amp.tar.Z gennum Per Bothner U of Wisconsin-Madison C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both integer and rational. Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu. However, it seems to have disappeared. Sorry. MIRACL (By someone in Dublin, Ireland) Integer and fractional multiple precision package. Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption. Not public domain, apparently. It is available from the Austin Code Works. (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.) precision Dave Barrett barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,/, sqrt, rand, mod, pow, log. Simple vector support. Does dynamic allocation of memory. Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it. Filename: precision.tar.Z UBASIC Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language, for MS-DOS. Includes floating point. Said (by Keith Briggs) to be pretty fast. Object only, I think. ervin@morekypr.bitnet says: ""This is the best package that I know of for fast arithmetic. Has a version optimized for 386 machines. Includes routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring algorithm. An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits. Many number theoretical functions are included in UBASIC. It allows over 2500 digits of precision."" Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu, or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu. calc_v22 Unknown MS-DOS C-like language that allows ""infinite"" precision. Nice intrinsic functions. ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems when changing precision on the fly. See simtel20 or wuarchive. briggs_arith Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au) Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision +, -, *, /, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes +, -, *, / and rand for rational numbers. Filename: briggs_arith.pas Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik Dr Gerhard Schneider (?) Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library. I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info. Postal Address: Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik EllernStr 29 D4300 Essen-12 GERMANY LongInt Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch) ""Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, /, %) as well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate generation tools."" Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3. LongInt has also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo Assembler. Availability: free for university use (research and education); otherwise, a source license is required. To obtain, write or email to: Markus Mueller Bertastrasse 7 CH-8953 Dietikon Switzerland email: mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch bignum-1.2 Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE Bignum package written in portable C. Will in the future conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers. Currently includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, ""exptmod"", comparison, random numbers, and gcd. Filename: bignum-1.2 GNU Multiple Precision GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package. I haven't looked at it yet. This is current as of April 1992, but there may be a more recent version by the time you read this. This package is very widely available on FTP sites. Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z Elliptic Curve Primality Proving Francois Morian, France. Large package to prove the primality of any prime. Includes Inria's BIGNUM package. Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26). Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) Philip Zimmermann prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C, said to be quite fast for Intel processors. Unix and Mac versions also available. The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines can be used without fear of legal repercussions. Bell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator David I. Bell, Australia (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au) Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like language, many builtin functions, support for integers, rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers, matrices, strings, lists, files, ""objects"". Includes gcd, primality testing, even trig functions. Recommended. (Large package, though.) Obtained from comp.sources.unix. Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z Built-in support in other languages Various Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net). Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov) includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably not suitable for serious use. For some of these, source code may be available. This list is long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively. Thanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list. Mark Riordan mrr@ripem.msu.edu " 3060,7,"From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.16.248 Organization: AEGIS Lines: 56 In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) wrote: > > In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes: > > >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman > >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park > >not fumbling in my purse looking for them .... > > This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put > their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the > back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. > Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. > Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? > Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and > a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? Women's pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too shallow to use! I is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when she goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who as a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!). Puting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes you rear look wide as a cows! Also, to have the habits that work for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater what you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni) A women's suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside, none on the inside). I have men's coats that have as much as 6 pockets! This is definitally not fair!!! As one that wears both men's and women's clothes, I can tell you, women's clothes have few if any funtional pockets! When dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and my keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent than the pants pockets and looks better. Having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is paramout to a woman's safty. Men don't see this as a problem. A woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e. Image some red necks yelling at you ""We are going to FUCK YOU!"" and the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight on you!) If you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE! Celeste " 3061,6,"From: harmon@math.ohio-state.edu (Jim Harmon) Subject: MIDI Keyboard $225 Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Lines: 13 Distribution: cmh NNTP-Posting-Host: ford.mps.ohio-state.edu Roland HS-60 (SynthPlus 60) - 6 voice polyphonic fully programmable analog synthesizer - 61 full size keys - MIDI - Memory to store 128 patches - built in speakers - Connectors: MIDI in thru out, Input(2), Expansion Pedal, Head Phones, Tape Load & Save, Patch Shift, Pedal Hold, Output(2) Asking $225 harmon@mps.ohio-state.edu " 3062,8,"From: csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Organization: Loral Western Development Labs Lines: 26 mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes: >Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your >bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine? >The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound. >Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the >translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few >minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic >face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass. >-- >BTW. I am not responsible for damages incurred when using > the above method. Most models can use the treatment > safely. >============================================================================= >= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= >= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = >= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = >============================================================================= McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic polishing compound which really work great as well. " 3063,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: HC11 blues -> no can find Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article , pat@fegmania (Patrick Niemeyer) writes: |> ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig) writes: |> |> >was told by other people that it just takes a long time. I heard |> >rumors that the HC11 is very hard to get these days and is being |> >replaced by the 711 series. The sales person is trying to push |> >the 711. Can someone please tell me what is going on with these |> >microcontrollers. I can't seem to get a straight answer. |> |> I too had trouble finding hc11's when I looked for them a while back. |> I'd be interesting in hearing if anyone knows about their availability now... |> |> Thanks, |> Pat The HC711 is an EPROM version of the HC11. Raw HC11 parts have factory set ROM images, and as such are useless to the hobbyist. HC811 parts have EEPROM, allowing for electrical erasure and reprogramming. Some Motorola parts (such as the HC705K1) have EPROM, making them user programmable, but come with options of either windowed or sealed. The more expensive windowed packages allow multiple use, the plastic dip varieties are one-time programmable, since there is no way of exposing the EPROM array to light. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3064,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article , steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: >Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) Sherzer Methodology!!!!!! Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 3065,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Article-I.D.: gap.1ppu9hINNl0v Distribution: na Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >hambidge@bms.com wrote: >: In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: >: Rate := per capita rate. The UK is more dangerous. >: >: Though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun, the average >: >: individual citizen in the UK is twice as likely to be killed >: >: by whatever means as the average Swiss. Would you feel any better >: >: about being killed by means other than a handgun? I wouldn't. >: >: >What an absurd argument. Switzerland is one-fifth the size of the >: >UK with one-eigth as many people therefore at any given point on >: >Swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait. More importantly, >: >you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching >: >you on a Swiss street than in the UK. Killed by handgun, or killed? If I'm dead, I don't much care if it was by being shot or stabbed to death. >: You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL >: NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. >: Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the >: rate would be 10/100,000. A place that had 50 deaths and a population >: of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000. The former has a higher >: rate, the latter a higher total. You are less likely to die in the >: latter. Simple enuff? >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: > handgun homicides/population > ---------------------------- > Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 > UK : 8 / 55,670,000 >... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice. >-- >Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com >Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o I don't think you can get an accurate indicator of how safe England is compared to Switzerland by concentrating only on handgun murders and completely ignoring murders by other weapons, not to mention the rate of other violent crimes. If there are more guns in circulation, if follows that more people will be killed with them 'cause they are available to the person intent on committing a crime _regardless_ of whether they have to do it with a gun, knife, or bare hands. The gun control lobby doesn't seem to understand this point. If people are intent on committing a crime, they will do it with whatever means are available to them. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 3066,12,"From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Article-I.D.: fnnews.1psrgl$6cb Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV Distribution: usa Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes: >I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate >some net.wisdom. > >His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to >electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between >two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. >My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the >inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. > >Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this? >Is there a better group to submit to? > >We'd both appreciate some enlightenment. > The balls are used to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of the wire during periods of high winds. I've seen what looks like paint cans filled with concrete used for the same purpose. Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport | Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!! BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV | | My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call 1-800-UWH-INER " 3067,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 19 In article <2BD0BDC3.25868@news.service.uci.edu> raman@translab.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan) writes: > The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me >of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs >of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that. The result, >which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the >end of the period. That was their argument to prove that you don't go >wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry. > > Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more >in initial costs. Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra >on repairs on the Taurus. That is ridiculous. Every time your car >needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things. >I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more >in repair costs. did you account for depreciation? i seriously doubt that a taurus would rack up an extra $4000 in repair costs over 5 years. -teddy " 3068,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Allah Akbar and Praise the Lord. Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 15 Maddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote: : : And thank the Lord that Bill Connor has returned to set : us straight! Now I know I can die happy when my Lexus : SE400 wipes out on that rain-slick curve in 1997. The : rest of you had best straighten up, because your time : is even more limited. Most of you are going in the Flu : of 1994. Maddi, You know you're glad to have me visit ... But I won't stay long this time, just shopping around. Bill " 3069,13,"From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) Subject: Re: GETTING AIDS FROM ACUPUNCTURE NEEDLES Article-I.D.: news.C5wGEs.K6u Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 matthews@Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) writes: >I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back. The needles were taken >from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT >sterile or even clean for that matter. More than likely they were fresh >from the previous patient. I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut. I >probably should have raised hell! Could you describe in more detail the above procedure? I've never heard about it. And yes, if they pierced you with the needles you probably should have protested. euclid -- Euclid K. standard disclaimers apply ""It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no trace."" --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_) " 3070,8,"From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: MSF Program where? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Could someone mail me the archive location of the MSF Program (for an IBM, right?)? Thanks, ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | " 3071,13,"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Breech Baby Info Needed Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 89 In article <1993Apr5.151818.27409@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.161757.19612@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >> >>Another uncommon problem is maternal hemorrhage. I don't remember the >>incidence, but it is something like 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 births. It is hard >>to see how you could handle it at home, and you wouldn't have very much time. >> >>thing you might consider is that people's risk tradeoffs vary. I consider >>a 1/1,000 risk of loss of a loved one to require considerable effort in >>the avoiding. > >Mark, you seem to be terrified of the birth process That's ridiculous! >and unable to >believe that women's bodies are actually designed to do it. They aren't designed, they evolved. And, much as it discomforts us, in humans a trouble-free birth process was sacrificed to increased brain and cranial size. Wild animals have a much easier time with birth than humans do. Domestic horses and cows typically have a worse time. To give you an idea: my family tree is complicated because a few of my pioneer great-great- grandfathers had several wives, and we never could figure out which wife had each child. One might ask why this happened. My great-great- grandfathers were, by the time they reached their forties, quite prosperous farmers. Nonetheless, they lost several wives each to the rigors of childbirth; the graveyards in Spencer, Indiana, and Boswell, North Dakota, contain quite a few gravestones like ""Ida, wf. of Jacob Liptrap, and baby, May 6, 1853."" >You wanted >to section all women carrying breech in case one in a hundred or a >thousand breech babies get hung up in second stage, More like one in ten. And the consequences can be devastating; I have direct experience of more than a dozen victims of a fouled-up breech birth. >and now you want >all babies born in hospital based on a guess of how likely maternal >hemorrhage is and a false belief that it is fatal. It isn't always fatal. But it is often fatal, when it happens out of reach of adequate help. More often, it permanently damages one's health. Clearly women's bodies _evolved_ to give birth (I am no believer in divine design); however, evolution did not favor trouble-free births for humans. >You have your kids where you want. You encourage your wife to >get six inch holes cut through her stomach muscles, expose herself >to anesthesia and infection, and whatever other ""just in case"" measures >you think are necessary. My, aren't we wroth! I haven't read a more outrageous straw man attack in months! I can practically see your mouth foam. We're statistically sophisticated enough to balance the risks. Although I can't produce exact statistics 5 years after the last time we looked them up, rest assured that we balanced C-section risks against other risks. I wouldn't encourage my wife to have a Caesarean unless it was clearly indicated; on the other hand, I am opposed (on obvious grounds) to waiting until an emergency to give in. And bear this in mind: my wife took the lead in all of these decisions. We talked things over, and I did a lot of the leg work, but the main decisions were really hers. >But I for one am bothered by your continued >suggestions, especially to the misc.kidders pregnant for the first >time, that birth is dangerous, even fatal, and that all these >unpleasant things are far better than the risks you run just doing >it naturally. I don't know of very many home birth advocates, even, that think that a first-time mother should have her baby at home. >I'm no Luddite. I've had a section. I'm planning a hospital birth >this time. But for heaven's sake, not everyone needs that! But people should bother to find out the relative risks. My wife was unwilling to take any significant risks in order to have nice surroundings. In view of the intensity of the birth experience, I doubt surroundings have much importance anyway. Somehow the values you're advocating seem all lopsided to me: taking risks, even if fairly small, of serious permanent harm in order to preserve something that is, after all, an esthetic consideration. -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu " 3072,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 54 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. Another CPR Non-Fact. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. Actually, they are free to leave and seek work in Egypt, except that the Egyptians don't want them, either. And who are you going to blame if/when Gazans establish their own state of Gaza/Palestine? >While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the >Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help >the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli >Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. Actually, one such Jew who did risk his life to help Gazan Arabs was hacked to death by Palestinean murderers just last week. It seems that the risk has been primarily from the Arabs ""in need of help"". This is also true for telephone repairmen, traders who seek to buy agricultural products from Gazans, Israeli soldiers who get involved in fighting between feuding Palestinean groups that are as determined to destroy each other as they are to destroy outsiders... >The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is >recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of >justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to >rise up against its tormentors. I just wanna see you try this here in the USA. You know what's going to happen. >As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of >Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are >considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops >and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in >Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for >the Master Race. Okay. That's enough. I'm not going to read this posting of yours any further. >Elias Davidsson Iceland -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 3073,3,"From: whiles@nswc.navy.mil (William Scott Hiles x1568) Subject: Re: Tape Drive Problems Reply-To: whiles@nswc.navy.mil Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division Lines: 62 In article 489@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) writes: >Please reply via e-mail since this is job related: > >I have a Colorado Jumbo back-up system at one of my places of >employment and it has eaten two tapes by winding the tape off the spool. > >Is there an easy fix or is the tape drive fried? Does it simply need >cleaning? > >Any and all comments will be appreciated! > >Stephen Husak > >-- >""What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you > anything you didn't know when you woke up today..."" > - Depeche Mode ""Nothing"" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES >-= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois Does it do it to all tapes? Were the two tapes that it unwound of the same type from the same batch? The reason I ask is that I bought some generic tapes that did this and found that the tape markers were not fully punched out and had closed the little marker hole. It was only on a few tapes of a set. Did you open up the tape cartridge and put the tape back on the reels? If you have not yet, open it up by removing the two screws on the bottom of the tape cartridge and snap the plastic shell away from the metal base. As you are pulling the tape through the assembly try not to touch any more than you have to. As you are doing it, look for a couple of little holes in the tape. These are the marker holes which let the tape drive know when it is at the end of the tape. The holes are spaced a couple of inches apart. My best guess is that the drive finds the first marker and then stops on the second marker? Anyhow, If the tape has the holes, then check to see if the mirror on the tape is clean. The function of the mirror is to detect the marker holes. The tape drive shines a light at the mirror and has a pickup in the area where the reflection would come out. When the hole goes by, the pickup detects the light that was allowed to pass and it knows when to stop. If the mirror is dirty or out of alighment (unlikely since it is made into the case) you might have a problem detecting the end of the tape. If the tape drive does it on all tapes and the tapes all look good, then either the pickup or the LED of the sensor system has failed or is dirty. If you open the drive door you will see the sensor assembly to the left of the R/W head assembly. If it looks clean and nothing is in its way, then the drive may need to be serviced. It is possible that the LED is burned out or the sensor is out. If it is still in warranty, you might be able to send it back to CMS for repair. --- Scott Hiles whiles@relay.nswc.navy.mil Standard disclaimer: The opinions expressed are those of my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the DOD or the Navy. I accept full responsibility. " 3074,18,"From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Lines: 43 Organization: Pitzer College In article VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.164750.21913@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@ alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:> >>In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: >> >>Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they >>will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible >>(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they >>have in Europe) >>and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate >>and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give >>the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, > > The Republicans are, in general, fighting any tax increase. >There is also worry that a VAT would be far too easy to increase >incrementally. > I was a graduate student in the early 1980s, and we had a conference on Reaganomics where Jerry Jordan, then a member of the Council of Economic Advisors, was a speaker. I had the pleasure of driving him back to the airport afterwards, and since taxes were the main topic of discussion I thought I would ask him about the VAT. I have favored it for these reasons you mention, that the income base is too hazy to define, that it taxes savings and investment, that it is likely to be more visible. He agreed, and reported that the CEA at that time was in favor of VAT. So why not propose it? I asked. He replied that the Reagan White House feared that the Democrats would introduce VAT *in addition to* the income tax, rather than in lieu. Better not to give them any ideas, he said. Pretty prescient. > (BTW, what is different between Canada's tax and most of >Europe's that makes it ""visible?"") > Yes, any Canadian readers, please tell us if the tax is displayed on price stickers (I'm relatively certain it is not in Europe). --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""It's almost as though young kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |white guys get up in the Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |morning and have a big smile Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% |on their face ... because, |you know, Homer wrote the |_Iliad_."" -- D'Souza " 3075,5,"From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis) Subject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC? Organization: AOTC - CSSC Lines: 42 Distribution: world Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: boyd.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au In article 14595639@wl.aecl.ca, harrisp@wl.aecl.ca () writes: >I use DESQview/X and I think it is great. Where it really shines (IMHO) is >to let unix users log into a pc and run dos and windows applications with >the display going to their screens. >You'll need to get: >DESQview/X v 1.1 >DESQview/X v 1.1 $275 suggested retail >DESQview/X to Other X Systems v 1.1 $200 suggested retail > >You also must be running a supported network (FTP softwares PCTCP, >Novell Lan workplace for dos, Sun Microsystems PC-NFS, Beame and WHiteside, >Wollongong pathway TCPIp or HP Microsoft Lan Manager) > >if you don't have any of this network stuff, Quarterdeck will give you a >copy of Novell TCPIP transprot for dos with the Network manager. > >You can get more info by sending email to (appropriately) info@qdeck.com. > >In my opinion, if you want to have other people logging in and running >applications at your pc, you'll want to have a 486 33 with 16 Megs of RAM. >Also, the Xwindows software in DESQviewX really seems to like an ET 4000 >(TSENG Labs chipset) based graphics card. Personally, I found that things >ran better with a SCSI drive in the pc than with ESDI drives, but that is >my experience only > > Good Luck and Best Wishes > Phil What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response time. Anyone have any ideas ?? --- __/ __/ George Patapis ---------------------PAN METRON ARISTON---------- __/ __/ __/ __/ C.S.S.C Lane Cove-----------email:gpatapis@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au __/ __/ __/ __/ P.O.Box A792 Sydney South --fax :(02) 911 3 199---------------- __/ __/ __/ __/ NSW, 2000, Australia.-------voice:(02) 911 3 121---------------- __/ __/ " 3076,0,"From: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) Subject: Re: It's all Mary's fault! Organization: VideOcart Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 23 pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes: : You know, it just occurred to me today that this whole Christian thing : can be blamed solely on Mary. : : So, she's married to Joseph. She gets knocked up. What do you think : ol' Joe will do if he finds she's been getting around? So Mary comes up : with this ridiculous story about God making her pregnant. : Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close. You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up. He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what happened is that she was feeling guilty, he was feeling embarrassed, and THEY decided to improve both of their images on what could have otherwise been the downfall for both. Clever indeed. Come to think of it . . . I have gained a new respect for the couple. Maybe Joseph and Mary should receive all of the praise being paid to jesus. Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller How is that one 'o keeper of the nicknames ? " 3077,7,"Subject: 1993 Honda Civic From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 8 I'd like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 Honda Civic about their experience. I'm new to the car buying game and would like to know what price I can expect to pay for a sedan after bargaining. Thanks in advance, -- Ellen " 3078,2,"From: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sadun Anik) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing Lines: 45 <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyra.crhc.uiuc.edu In-reply-to: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com's message of Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:34:28 GMT In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes: > Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a > multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't > seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person, > and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an > implentation of simultaneuos use though. > > Scott It certainly is multi-user. What I have seen from the March Beta is that it doesn't yet come with the stuff which exploits multi-user features. I remember somebody from MS stating that it doesn't allow two users share one GUI. My interpretation of this was that one user per console but all the networking and RPC based stuff you want. I believe ftp and rlogin deamons for NT systems will come from third party. Somebody already has a Beta version of an unsecure ftpd on the net. There is no reason why one cannot write a posix based shell like csh on Unix for remote logins. In general I liked NT when I checked it out. It slow compared to Win3.1 (just like any other real OS). The beta version, although being slow, botts up much faster than my SUN workstation. Windows subsystems also start up a lot faster than X windows. I believe Bill Gates was right when he stated that NT was not for everybody. After playing around with it for a while I was convinced. If I owned a busines using a ""business computer"" from IBM or some other established vendor, I would consider moving to NT platform because it would provide a much cheaper solution (If you are running SQL servers etc.). It provides the robustness such an application requires. On the other hand if you like your DOS games, more or less forget about NT. You can always boot to DOS but in general that defeats the purpose of using NT. Most of NT's features are visible in a networked environment and in such an environment you can't reboot your machine at will. For personal use, I would rather wait for the Win32 based Windows release (whatever you name it) than jump to NT bandwagon. I expect most applications will keep on using Win16 until Win32 becomes widely available. -- Sadun Anik, U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Center for Reliable and High-performance Computing e-mail: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu " 3079,15,"From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives Lines: 84 In article JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: >Gerry Palo writes: > > > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of > > repeated lives on earth. > >The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob >rather than Esau to be the ancestor of the Covenant People and >ultimately of the Messiah, and that He made this choice while the >two boys were still in their mother's womb, and therefore could not >possibly have done anything good or evil to deserve their appointed >destinies. If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous >lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of ""karma"") >their present lives are a reward or punishment for past behaviour, >this makes nonsense of Paul's whole point. > The existence of repeated earth lives and destiny (karma) does not mean that everything that happens is predetermined by past deeds. There is an oriental view of it that tends in that direction, but I did not subscribe to that view. God may choose one individual over another as the fit instrument for his plans, but that does not preclude that the development of that individual into what he is in this earthly life is not the result of a longer course of development. I do not, and Rudolf Steiner did not, subscribe to the oriental view of an inexorable, mechanistic karma determining everything that befalls one. This is a kind of shriveled caricature of a much greater law in the context of which the deed of Christ on Golgotha and the ultimate salvation and freedom of the human being as a working of Christ can be seen as the master theme and, indeed, a new impulse that was completely free of karma. Christ incarnated only once in the flesh, and in that he had no debt of karma or sin. The oriental concepts of reincarnation and karma, which are even more trivialized and mechanized in some new age teachings, incorrectly assume Jesus Christ to have been the reincarnation of a master. avatar, etc. Their teaching of reincarnation and karma also has no concept the continuing individuality from one life to the next (e.g. Buddhism). More important, they have no concept of the resurrection of the body, the ultimate continuity of the whole human being -- to ultimate resurrection and judgement on the Last Day. There is another biblical passage that also has a bearing. It is the tenth chapter of John, devoted almost entirely to the man born blind. Clearly here, Jesus tells the disciples that it was not his past karma or that of his parents that led to his blindness, but rather that a new impulse is to be revealed through him. But note that he does not refute the disciples' question. In fact, they ask it as a matter of course, the question being stated as if it were self evident that only one of two possibilities existed - it was either the sins of the man himself, obviously not in this incarnation, or the sins of his parents. The fact that they even asked about the first possibility at all indicates an awareness of the idea on their part and the form of Christ's answer indicates that he did not disagree with it. There is also Matthew 11:14, where Jesus says straight out about John the Baptist, ""If you care to accept it, he himself is Elias, who was to come."" This also emphasizes that the Gospels do not have a positive teaching either way about reincarnation -- or, in fact, about what happens to the human being at all between death and the Last Day. Even Jesus did not push this teaching on people who were not ready to embrace it (""If you care to accept it""). So I took care to point out, not that the Bible teaches reincarnation but that it does not deny it either, and that much in both scripture and fundamental Christian doctrine becomes understandable if reincarnation is understood in the right way. I pointedly used ""repeated earth lives"" to distinguish a little from the oriental doctrines usually associated with the word ""reincarnation"". The phrase is Rudolf Steiner's (wiederholte Erdenleben). He noted too that the idea needed to arise as a new insight in the west, completely free from eastern tradition. It did in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, the most important expression of it being Lessing's ""The Education of the Human Race"". To return to your original point, Paul's statement about Jacob and Esau does not contradict the idea of repeated earth lives and karma. And both of these principles receive their fulfillment in the incarnation, death, and resurrection, ascension and return of Jesus Christ, in my view. Regards, Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com) " 3080,1,"From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P) Subject: Re: Pascal-Fractals Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 10 Apparently, my editor didn't do what I wanted it to do, so I'll try again. i'm looking for any programs or code to do simple animation and/or drawing using fractals in TurboPascal for an IBM Thanks in advance -- ||||||||||| ||||||||||| _|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_ jr0930@eve.albany.edu -|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||- jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet ||||||||||| GO HEAVY OR GO HOME ||||||||||| " 3081,19,From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: David Koresh - Messianic Cult??? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 12 Hello. I just read my first newspaper in a while and noticed an article on a 'messianic cult' leader named 'David Koresh'. I'd like to know more about this and what is going on with them. Please email me as I don't normally read this newsgroup. Thanks. Thyagi@HouseofKaos.Abyss.com 3082,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) wrote: > Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it > is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't > adversely affect your own, I guess). Hehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you that this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such transcendental game systems... Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 3083,10,"From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca Subject: European expansion and our f*cked system Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 36 Everyone keeps talking about European expansion by 2010 thinking wishful thoughts, but being totally off the ball. The league format we use here is incompatible with that in Europe. (for those that don't know, the best teams from lower divisions get promoted and the worst get demoted). Would European fans put up with our ""if you've paid, you can play"" attitude?? How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)). If hockey (and other pro sports) had a similar system to Europe, maybe teams like the Rangers would be forced to compete (or get demoted the fourth division). We'd have many more teams...centres that aren't as big (like Halifax or Adirondack....ok, so Halifax isn't a good example) would eventually get promoted, and every team would be somewhat competetive within its own division (unlike Ottawa, SJ, Edmonton, etc.). Fans would eventually get rewarded for their loyalty (or penalized for their neglect), and the league would be more interesting and dynamic every year because of the influx of newly promoted teams (and the Halifax Citadels win the Stanley Cup...I can dream, can't I??) Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan problems). Just someone who thinks our system really sucks Barfly (feel free to flame me, my account ends today...hahahaha) 1940!! " 3084,12,"From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) Subject: Re: Mysterious MOSFET Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University Lines: 23 In article <1qug3sINN90g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: >I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no >manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number > 285-4 >which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't >help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on >a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot. >--scott Since your MOSFET is a 1972 vintage, it's probably not a very good one by today's standards. If you have an idea about its voltage and current ratings, e.g. 60VDC @ 6A, you can probably get away with replacing it with anything with better specs. Early MOSFETS had a gate-source voltage rating of approximately +/- 20 VDCmax, and they would usually turn completely ""ON"" at +10VDC. Otherwise, MOSFETS are not really mysterious -- they're more or less voltage controlled current sources. If the MOSFET in your circuit is used as an open-loop, voltage controlled current source, you may have to experiment with various gain-altering techniques. Bill Willis willisw@coe-nw.clemson.edu (803) 656-5550 " 3085,11,"From: lbrintle@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Lee Brintle) Subject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement Summary: 40-bit key-half is way too small Organization: Project Panda, Inc. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr16.204207.24564@eff.org> Danny Weitzner writes: >The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom >hold 40-bits of each key. Presumably, the key split is so that no one group controls the privacy of the key, and that it would be infeasible to illicitly gain access from both agents. However, if one agent wishes to break the crypto without the cooperation of the other agent, a 40-bit key is not going to stand in the way of a brute force attack. If an agency (for example, the NSA) were to hold one of the two key-halves, then I don't imagine they really need the other half of the key to start listening in. Or was that the point? (This is not to imply, at all, that I like the idea of the rest of the system.) -- Lee Brintle | ``And so, I leave you with this final word: Director, Project Panda | twang.'' " 3086,10,From: swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu Subject: ESPN Tonight Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Lines: 7 Reply-To: swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight. They said they will show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game... Anyone heard for sure??? Jeff Swartz 3087,10,"From: smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) Subject: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 55 I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway.... MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and in terms of leadership (""can't win without him"") Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even if that new level doesn't necessarily warrant an allstar berth (includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not even have been in the team's plans). Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on offence brought by Demers, shouldn't Savard have done better?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Team Biggest Biggest Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?) Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!) Bryan " 3088,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 22 In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu> sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: > > Some pleasant (and then some not so pleasant) surprises about the 1993 > edition of the Bronx Bombers so far. > > 4)Wickman. A friend made a comparison between Wickman and Jack > Morris - they never have impressive stats but they always > find some way to win (although Morris seems to be losing that > ability). I figured that Wickman would be the least important > part of the Steve Sax trade (best trade since we got that Ruth > guy), maybe winding up as a good middle reliever. But I like what > I've seen so far. He doesn't pitch pretty, but he gets the job done. > Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why bother. " 3089,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Ohio Legislative Alert -- H.B. 278 Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: otto beatty goes for a gun ban again Lines: 21 OHIO HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE TUEDAY, APRIL 6, 1993 H.B. NO. 278- REPRESENTATIVE BEATTY TO AMMEND SECTION 2923.11, 2923.17, AND 2923.20 AND TO ENACT N 2923.181 OF THE REVISED CODE TO EXPAND THE DEFINTION OF DANGEROUS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE MILITARY WEAPONS THAT DO NOT USE BOLT ACTION, TO INCREASE THE PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION OF THE PROHIBTION AGAINST POSSESION OF DANGEROUS ORDINANCE, TO PROHIBIT ANY PERSON FROM ACQUIRING A MILITARY WEAPON ON OR AFTER THE ACT'SEFFECTIVE DATE, TO REQUIRE THE LICENSURE OF MILITARY WEAPONS ACQUIRED FOR A PROPER PURPOSE PRIOR TO THE ACT'S EFFECTIVE DATE, TO PROHIBIT A PERSON FROM IMPORTING, MANUFACTURING, OR SELLING A MILITARY WEAPON, AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. As of Monday, April 12, 1993 H.B. 278 had not been assigned to a committee. Introduced as an emergency measure if this passes there is no chance for a reforendum, and would go into effect immediately as opposed to the state requirement of 90 days before a law goes into effect. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 3090,11,"Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) Distribution: inet Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu Lines: 27 In article pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes: > >>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it >>was posted encrypted? > >>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. > >In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they >are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the >EFF. It also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn't mean the ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to ""win the hearts and minds"" in favor of access to cryptography. It's precisely slogans like ""cryptography makes censorship impossible"" which stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor of encryption. It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it would be a dangerous red herring. Advocates of strong crypto had better prepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople and politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about Constitutional amendments are not enough. 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No, and Im especially unhappy that these 70+ people died in an assault on private property with government armored vehicles. I am also unhappy (or actually, very suspicious) that the FBI was dismissing out of hand any chances that they might have accidentally set the blaze themselves. I mean, I guess we are just supposed to believe that ramming modified tanks into the walls of a building and injecting toxic gases into the building are just routine procedures, no WAY anything could go wrong. -- Legalize Freedom " 3093,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #014 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 120 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #014 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +----------------------------------------------------------+ | | | I asked, ""What's going on?"" He says, ""What's the matter, | | can't you see, they've overturned a car and they're | | killing Armenians!"" | | | +----------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF ZAVEN ARMENAKOVICH BADASIAN Born 1942 Employed Sumgait Bulk Yarn Plant Resident at Building 34, Apartment 33 Microdistrict No. 12 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] On February 27 my wife and I went to Baku to go shopping and returned to Sumgait at around five in the evening. We ran into one of my relatives at the bus station and got to talking. A lot of people had gathered not far away, near the store. Well at first we didn't know what was happening, and then a fellow I know comes up to me, an Azerbaijani guy, and says, ""What are you standing here for? Go home immediately!"" I asked, ""What's going on?"" He says, ""What's the matter, can't you see, they've overturned a car and they're killing Armenians!"" He helped me catch a cab and we got home safely. We sat at home for two days. During that time a gang of bandits came into our courtyard. But the neighbors wouldn't let them in the building. There were about 80 of them. They had sticks and pieces of armatures in their hands. They were shouting something, but you couldn't understand it. It wasn't one voice or two, all of them were shouting in a chorus. They turned toward Building 35. They went up to the third _floor, and we see that they're breaking glass and throwing things out the window. After a while they come out the entryway: one has a pair of jeans in his hands, another has a tape recorder, and a third a guitar. They went on toward the auto parts store. We had to save ourselves. After midnight on March 1 we went to hide at School No. 33, which is in Microdistrict 13. There were two other Armenian families there with us. There were 13 of us altogether. Out of all of them I had only known Ernest before, he had moved to Sumgait from Kirovabad. The Azerbaijani guard at the school let us in. At first he didn't want to, but there was nowhere else for us to go. We had to plead with him and talk him into it. We were told that on that day, the 1st, there would be an attack on our microdistrict. We went upstairs to a classroom on the second floor. On the city radio station they announced three telephone numbers that could be used to summon assistance or communicate anything important. I called one of them and the First Secretary of the Sumgait City Party Committee answered. I asked him for assistance. I say, ""We're in School No. 33, we need to be evacuated."" Well he says, ""Got it, wait there, I'm sending out help now."" I know his voice. The First Secretary had been to our plant, I had spoken with him personally. When I called he said, ""Muslimzade here."" About two hours after the call we heard shouts near the school. We looked out the window and about 100 to 120 people were outside saying, ""Armenians, come out, we're here to get you."" They have clubs, axes, and armature shafts in their hands. The guard sat there with us, and asked, ""Where should I go?"" I say, ""If your life is of any value to you you'll go down there and say that the Armenians were here and that they left."" That's what he did. He went down there and said, ""The Armenians were here,"" he said, ""I let them out the back door, they went that way."" And pointed with his hand. And with shouts and noise the mob set off in the direction he had pointed. So the assistance we had been promised did come. They sent us help, all right! Instead of sending real soldiers he had sent his own. I am positive that Muslimzade did that. No one had seen us entering the school, no one knew that we were there. In any case, we stayed at the school until seven in the morning, and no soldiers of any sort came to our aid. In the morning we went to my relative's in Microdistrict 1, and the soldiers took us to the SK club from there. The club was jammed with people, and there were lots of people ahead of us--there was no space available. One small boy, about three months old, died right in my arms. There wasn't a single doctor, nothing. The boy was uninjured, there were no wounds or bruises on him. He was just very ill. They gave him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, they did everything they could under the circumstances, but were unable to save him. And his mother and father, a young Armenian couple, were right there, on the floor ... I searched for a spot for us in the SK, we have a small child of our own, I wanted to find a room or something to put my family in. I went up to the third floor, there were a lot of soldiers up there, bandaged, with canes, limping, with their heads broken open. They were a terrible sight. Young guys, all of them. There were a lot of bandaged Armenians, too. Everyone had been beaten, everyone was crying, wailing, and calling for help. I think that the City Party Committee ignored us completely. True, there was a snack bar: a sausage was 30 kopeks or 40 kopeks, a package of cookies that cost 26 kopeks was being sold for 50, a bottled soft drink cost a ruble . . . But there was no way to get the things any cheaper. I met my old uncle, Aram Mikhailovich, there. He saw me and tears welled up in his eyes. My whole life he had told me that we were friendly peoples, that we worked together, he always had Azerbaijanis over at his house. And now he saw me and there was nothing he could say, he just cried. You can understand his feelings, of course. April 8, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 185-186 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""Armenia has not learned a lesson in S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it."" 4/14/93 Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal " 3094,12,"From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley) Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL Lines: 22 Intel also makes some neat memory and peripheral chips: Old technology (early 1980's) 8155 ram plus IO (slow ram as I recall) 8755 eprom plus IO (expensive and slow) Intel does make Eproms with built in address latches. I fear that you would need a very flexible and up-to-date eprom programmer to write to them. give them a call. I am not able to locate their memory products book yet. Sigh... Now, who borrowed it... Robert " 3095,15,"From: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) Subject: Re: Mormon Temples Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 25 mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: >One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the >temple rituals secret. On of the attributes of being sacred in this case is that they should not be spoken of in a ""common manner"" or ""trampled under feet"" such as the Lords name is today. The ceremonies are performed in the temple because the temple has been set aside as being as sacred/holy/uncommon place. We believe that the ceremonies can only be interpreted correctly when they are viewed with the right spirit- which in this case is in the temple. So from our point of view, when they are brought out into the public, they are being trampled under feet, because of misinterpretations and mocking, and it is therefore offensive to us. Please do not assume that because of my use of the words 'we' and 'our' that I'm an official spokesman for the LDS church. I am merely stating what I believe is the general feeling among us. Others feel free to disagree. -- Steve Ward saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com " 3096,3,"From: hlu@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (HJ Lu) Subject: Re: Debugging possible hardware problems Article-I.D.: serval.1993Apr20.151405.12480 Organization: Washington State University! Lines: 54 In article <1r0rslINNnv2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: > >I'm running Linux on an 80486 EISA system, and I'm having what I think are >hardware problems. It could be software, but I don't see why I'd be the >only one having trouble. I'd like some advice on how best to debug this. > >The symptom: when I try to build gcc, I get unpredictable and unrepeatable >results. Sometimes a .o file is not in valid a.out format. Recompiling the >file gives me a valid binary. Sometimes the compiler aborts or dumps core, >but works fine when run again with the same input. Compiling the same >source files with the same arguments gives slight differences in a few >object files. (Note that Linux, unlike many other systems, does not put >timestamps in object files so compiling twice should give bit-identical >results.) > >I also have occasional filesystem corruption on my SCSI drive, but that >could be caused by using development software. It could also be related to >my problems compiling. The compile problems are not caused by disk >problems: I get the same results whether I do my work on an IDE or SCSI >disk. > >I've set the memory speed and cache write speed to the recommended values. Recommended for what, DOS? That is a junk. > >I suspect the external cache, but I have no real evidence for this. > >The motherboard is a NICE Super-EISA with 256 KB write-back cache and a DX/2 >66 Mhz processor. > >What I'm looking for: > > . A system test program to run under DOS or Linux Linux + gcc. Fire up gcc to compile libc and kernel at the same time running X11R5. > > . Suggestions about the cause of the problem Bad memory, bad motherboard, bad cache. > > . Suggestions about how to debug the problem > change wait state of RAM. turn off turbo. change bus speed swap RAM. H.J. " 3097,15,"From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 In article Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org writes: I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods anyway? -- Terrance Heath heath@athena.cs.uga.edu ****************************************************************** YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK! ****************************************************************** " 3098,2,"From: Aaron Herskowitz Subject: For Sale: Borland C++ w/ Application Frameworks 3.1 Reply-To: aherskow@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College [Please excuse me if this is inappropriate to post here, but I do not read these groups normally and I did not see any PC related marketplace newsgroups] FOR SALE: Borland C++ with Application Frameworks 3.1 (Full Professional Developer Kit) Borland C++ Programming Package including unopened software, unopened manuals, and registration card. SOFTWARE INCLUDES: 1. *Still plastic wrapped* high density 5.25 inch disks for Borland C++: total of 18 diskettes in 2 individually wrapped packages, each disk has ""Borland C++"" and ""BC++ & APP. FRAMEWORKS 3.1"" on label 2. Amish System Utilities for Windows (one 5.25"" high density disk): Amish Launch Amish Desk Utilities for Windows 3. Phar Lap's 286|DOS-Extender Lite Version 2.5 (one 5.25"" HD disk) MANUALS INCLUDE: 1. *Still Plastic Wrapped* Manuals include (i.e. unopened): A. Boland Windows API Volumes: I: Reference Guide II: Reference Guide III: Windows 3.1 Reference Guide B. Borland Turbo Debugger 3.0 User's Guide C. Borland Turbo Profiler 3.0 User's Guide D. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Users Guide E. Borland C++ 3.1 User's Guide: integrated environment optimization command line compiler installation F. Borland C++ 3.1 Programmer's Guide: language structure, class libraries, advanced prgramming techniques, anci c implementaion G. Borland C++ 3.1 Library Reference: runtime library, global variables, cross-reference H. Borland C++ 3.1 Tools and Utilities Guide: error messages, winsightm make, help/resource compilers, tlink I. Borland Object Windows for C++ User's Guide: tutorials, class reference 2. Opened (no plastic wrapping, but unread) Manuals include: A. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Quick Reference Guide B. Borland Turbo Vision for C++ User's Guide C. Borland Resource Workshop User's Guide This package was purchased by a former employee of my father's and my father has asked me to try and sell it since neither of us have any use for it. Retails for $749, most software houses have it for approx. $480. I am asking $400. If you are interested, please e-mail me directly because I do not normally read this newsgroup. -- Aaron Herskowitz [aherskow@alleg.edu] Allegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania " 3099,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 12/15 - Controversial Questions Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Article-I.D.: cs.controversy_733694426 Expires: 6 May 1993 20:00:26 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 252 Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Archive-name: space/controversy Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:06 $ CONTROVERSIAL QUESTIONS These issues periodically come up with much argument and few facts being offered. The summaries below attempt to represent the position on which much of the net community has settled. Please DON'T bring them up again unless there's something truly new to be discussed. The net can't set public policy, that's what your representatives are for. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SATURN V PLANS Despite a widespread belief to the contrary, the Saturn V blueprints have not been lost. They are kept at Marshall Space Flight Center on microfilm. The problem in re-creating the Saturn V is not finding the drawings, it is finding vendors who can supply mid-1960's vintage hardware (like guidance system components), and the fact that the launch pads and VAB have been converted to Space Shuttle use, so you have no place to launch from. By the time you redesign to accommodate available hardware and re-modify the launch pads, you may as well have started from scratch with a clean sheet design. WHY DATA FROM SPACE MISSIONS ISN'T IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE Investigators associated with NASA missions are allowed exclusive access for one year after the data is obtained in order to give them an opportunity to analyze the data and publish results without being ""scooped"" by people uninvolved in the mission. However, NASA frequently releases examples (in non-digital form, e.g. photos) to the public early in a mission. RISKS OF NUCLEAR (RTG) POWER SOURCES FOR SPACE PROBES There has been extensive discussion on this topic sparked by attempts to block the Galileo and Ulysses launches on grounds of the plutonium thermal sources being dangerous. Numerous studies claim that even in worst-case scenarios (shuttle explosion during launch, or accidental reentry at interplanetary velocities), the risks are extremely small. Two interesting data points are (1) The May 1968 loss of two SNAP 19B2 RTGs, which landed intact in the Pacific Ocean after a Nimbus B weather satellite failed to reach orbit. The fuel was recovered after 5 months with no release of plutonium. (2) In April 1970, the Apollo 13 lunar module reentered the atmosphere and its SNAP 27 RTG heat source, which was jettisoned, fell intact into the 20,000 feet deep Tonga Trench in the Pacific Ocean. The corrosion resistant materials of the RTG are expected to prevent release of the fuel for a period of time equal to 10 half-lives of the Pu-238 fuel or about 870 years [DOE 1980]. To make your own informed judgement, some references you may wish to pursue are: A good review of the technical facts and issues is given by Daniel Salisbury in ""Radiation Risk and Planetary Exploration-- The RTG Controversy,"" *Planetary Report*, May-June 1987, pages 3-7. Another good article, which also reviews the events preceding Galileo's launch, ""Showdown at Pad 39-B,"" by Robert G. Nichols, appeared in the November 1989 issue of *Ad Astra*. (Both magazines are published by pro-space organizations, the Planetary Society and the National Space Society respectively.) Gordon L Chipman, Jr., ""Advanced Space Nuclear Systems"" (AAS 82-261), in *Developing the Space Frontier*, edited by Albert Naumann and Grover Alexander, Univelt, 1983, p. 193-213. ""Hazards from Plutonium Toxicity"", by Bernard L. Cohen, Health Physics, Vol 32 (may) 1977, page 359-379. NUS Corporation, Safety Status Report for the Ulysses Mission: Risk Analysis (Book 1). Document number is NUS 5235; there is no GPO #; published Jan 31, 1990. NASA Office of Space Science and Applications, *Final Environmental Impact Statement for the Ulysses Mission (Tier 2)*, (no serial number or GPO number, but probably available from NTIS or NASA) June 1990. [DOE 1980] U.S. Department of Energy, *Transuranic Elements in the Environment*, Wayne C. Hanson, editor; DOE Document No. DOE/TIC-22800; Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., April 1980.) IMPACT OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE ON THE OZONE LAYER From time to time, claims are made that chemicals released from the Space Shuttle's Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) are responsible for a significant amount of damage to the ozone layer. Studies indicate that they in reality have only a minute impact, both in absolute terms and relative to other chemical sources. The remainder of this item is a response from the author of the quoted study, Charles Jackman. The atmospheric modelling study of the space shuttle effects on the stratosphere involved three independent theoretical groups, and was organized by Dr. Michael Prather, NASA/Goddard Institute for Space Studies. The three groups involved Michael Prather and Maria Garcia (NASA/GISS), Charlie Jackman and Anne Douglass (NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center), and Malcolm Ko and Dak Sze (Atmospheric and Environmental Research, Inc.). The effort was to look at the effects of the space shuttle and Titan rockets on the stratosphere. The following are the estimated sources of stratospheric chlorine: Industrial sources: 300,000,000 kilograms/year Natural sources: 75,000,000 kilograms/year Shuttle sources: 725,000 kilograms/year The shuttle source assumes 9 space shuttles and 6 Titan rockets are launched yearly. Thus the launches would add less than 0.25% to the total stratospheric chlorine sources. The effect on ozone is minimal: global yearly average total ozone would be decreased by 0.0065%. This is much less than total ozone variability associated with volcanic activity and solar flares. The influence of human-made chlorine products on ozone is computed by atmospheric model calculations to be a 1% decrease in globally averaged ozone between 1980 and 1990. The influence of the space shuttle and Titan rockets on the stratosphere is negligible. The launch schedule of the Space Shuttle and Titan rockets would need to be increased by over a factor of a hundred in order to have about the same effect on ozone as our increases in industrial halocarbons do at the present time. Theoretical results of this study have been published in _The Space Shuttle's Impact on the Stratosphere_, MJ Prather, MM Garcia, AR Douglass, CH Jackman, M.K.W. Ko and N.D. Sze, Journal of Geophysical Research, 95, 18583-18590, 1990. Charles Jackman, Atmospheric Chemistry and Dynamics Branch, Code 916, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD 20771 Also see _Chemical Rockets and the Environment_, A McDonald, R Bennett, J Hinshaw, and M Barnes, Aerospace America, May 1991. HOW LONG CAN A HUMAN LIVE UNPROTECTED IN SPACE If you *don't* try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness. Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly ""the bends"", certainly some [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue) start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes, you're dying. The limits are not really known. References: _The Effect on the Chimpanzee of Rapid Decompression to a Near Vacuum_, Alfred G. Koestler ed., NASA CR-329 (Nov 1965). _Experimental Animal Decompression to a Near Vacuum Environment_, R.W. Bancroft, J.E. Dunn, eds, Report SAM-TR-65-48 (June 1965), USAF School of Aerospace Medicine, Brooks AFB, Texas. HOW THE CHALLENGER ASTRONAUTS DIED The Challenger shuttle launch was not destroyed in an explosion. This is a well-documented fact; see the Rogers Commission report, for example. What looked like an explosion was fuel burning after the external tank came apart. The forces on the crew cabin were not sufficient to kill the astronauts, never mind destroy their bodies, according to the Kerwin team's medical/forensic report. The astronauts were killed when the more-or-less intact cabin hit the water at circa 200MPH, and their bodies then spent several weeks underwater. Their remains were recovered, and after the Kerwin team examined them, they were sent off to be buried. USING THE SHUTTLE BEYOND LOW EARTH ORBIT You can't use the shuttle orbiter for missions beyond low Earth orbit because it can't get there. It is big and heavy and does not carry enough fuel, even if you fill part of the cargo bay with tanks. Furthermore, it is not particularly sensible to do so, because much of that weight is things like wings, which are totally useless except in the immediate vicinity of the Earth. The shuttle orbiter is highly specialized for travel between Earth's surface and low orbit. Taking it higher is enormously costly and wasteful. A much better approach would be to use shuttle subsystems to build a specialized high-orbit spacecraft. [Yet another concise answer by Henry Spencer.] THE ""FACE ON MARS"" There really is a big rock on Mars that looks remarkably like a humanoid face. It appears in two different frames of Viking Orbiter imagery: 35A72 (much more facelike in appearance, and the one more often published, with the Sun 10 degrees above western horizon) and 70A13 (with the Sun 27 degrees from the west). Science writer Richard Hoagland has championed the idea that the Face is artificial, intended to resemble a human, and erected by an extraterrestrial civilization. Most other analysts concede that the resemblance is most likely accidental. Other Viking images show a smiley-faced crater and a lava flow resembling Kermit the Frog elsewhere on Mars. There exists a Mars Anomalies Research Society (sorry, don't know the address) to study the Face. The Mars Observer mission will carry an extremely high-resolution camera, and better images of the formation will hopefully settle this question in a few years. In the meantime, speculation about the Face is best carried on in the altnet group alt.alien.visitors, not sci.space or sci.astro. V. DiPeitro and G. Molenaar, *Unusual Martian Surface Features*, Mars Research, P.O. Box 284, Glen Dale, Maryland, USA, 1982. $18 by mail. R.R. Pozos, *The Face of Mars*, Chicago Review Press, 1986. [Account of an interdisciplinary speculative conference Hoagland organized to investigate the Face] R.C. Hoagland, *The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever*, North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, California, USA, 1987. [Elaborate discussion of evidence and speculation that formations near the Face form a city] M.J. Carlotto, ""Digital Imagery Analysis of Unusual Martian Surface Features,"" *Applied Optics*, 27, pp. 1926-1933, 1987. [Extracts three-dimensional model for the Face from the 2-D images] M.J. Carlotto & M.C. Stein, ""A Method of Searching for Artificial Objects on Planetary Surfaces,"" *Journal of the British Interplanetary Society*, Vol. 43 no. 5 (May 1990), p.209-216. [Uses a fractal image analysis model to guess whether the Face is artificial] B. O'Leary, ""Analysis of Images of the `Face' on Mars and Possible Intelligent Origin,"" *JBIS*, Vol. 43 no. 5 (May 1990), p. 203-208. [Lights Carlotto's model from the two angles and shows it's consistent; shows that the Face doesn't look facelike if observed from the surface] NEXT: FAQ #13/15 - Space activist/interest/research groups & space publications " 3100,17,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > >In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >| >|> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >|> > >Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been >disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does >not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up >Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. Of course, if Israel would withdraw >from Lebanon and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't >make the Lebanese so mad as to do that. Furthermore, with Hezbollah >subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible. Just to address this one point, what about the two Katyusha rocket attacks made within Lebanon, for which Fatah claimed responsibility. I didn't realize that one can use Katyushas while onr is disarmed. Also, Page 8 of today's New York Times, Faisal Saleh, a high ranking Fatah official, and his 9 month old son were gunned down in Beirut by members of Abu Nidal. There have been 46 assasination attempts in 1993 alone in the fued between these two factions, resulting in 11 deaths. Amir " 3101,12,"From: frankh@scraps.uucp (Frank Holden KA3UWW) Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals?? Organization: None Lines: 34 In rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes: >I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage >levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have >a suggestion?? Thanks. Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what you want. They are selling it for about $3.50... Hope this helps... Frank -- ************************************************************************** * Customer asked ""What's that thing?"". * * I answered chuckling ""Well, it's a highly technical, sensitive * * instrument I use in computer repair! Being a layman, you probably * * cann't grasp exactly what it does. I call it a B.F.H..... * * Frank W. Holden - KA3UWW - ""The Radio Doctor"" * * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * * SnailMail: | Inter-Net: * * 685 Addison St. | frankh@scraps.pittsburgh.sgi.com * * Washington, Pa. 15301-5601 | Packet:ka3uww@n3idi.#wpa.pa.usa.na * ************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: - I confess, you did it!!! -- ************************************************************************** * Customer asked ""What's that thing?"". * * I answered chuckling ""Well, it's a highly technical, sensitive * " 3102,13,"From: Dan Wallach Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries (3/4): Keyboard Alternatives [monthly posting] Supersedes: Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 652 Expires: 22 May 1993 01:24:03 GMT Reply-To: Dan Wallach NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Summary: everything you ever wanted to know about replacing your keyboard Originator: dwallach@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/keyboards Version: $Revision: 5.11 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 01:20:43 $ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Keyboard Alternatives ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Alternative Keyboard FAQ Copyright 1992,1993 By Dan Wallach The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor. [Current distribution: sci.med.occupational, sci.med, comp.human-factors, {news,sci,comp}.answers, and e-mail to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu, sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu, and cstg-L@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu] Changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change || bars to the right of the text, as is this paragraph. || Information in this FAQ has been pieced together from phone conversations, e-mail, and product literature. While I hope it's useful, the information in here is neither comprehensive nor error free. If you find something wrong or missing, please mail me, and I'll update my list. Thanks. All phone numbers, unless otherwise mentioned, are U.S.A. phone numbers. All monetary figures, unless otherwise mentioned, are U.S.A. dollars. Products covered in this FAQ: Using a PC's keyboard on your workstation / compatibility issues Apple Computer, Inc. Key Tronic FlexPro Dragon Systems The Bat DataHand Comfort Keyboard System Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard Maltron The Tony! Ergonomic KeySystem The Vertical The MIKey The Wave The Minimal Motion Computer Access System Twiddler Half-QWERTY Microwriter Braille 'n Speak Octima AccuKey GIF pictures of many of these products are available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury. (128.32.149.19) I highly recommend getting the pictures. They tell much more than I can fit into this file. If you can't ftp, send me mail, and I'll uuencode and mail them to you (they're pretty big...) ============== Using a PC's keyboard on your workstation / compatibility issues Mini outline: 1. Spoofing a keyboard over the serial port 2. X terminals 3. NeXT 4. Silicon Graphics 5. IBM RS/6000 6. Other stuff 1. Spoofing a keyboard over the serial port If you've got a proprietary computer which uses its own keyboard (Sun, HP, DEC, etc.) then you're going to have a hard time finding a vendor to sell you a compatible keyboard. If your workstation runs the X window system, you're in luck. You can buy a cheap used PC, hook your expensive keyboard up to it, and run a serial cable to your workstation. Then, run a program on the workstation to read the serial port and generate fake X keyboard events. The two main programs I've found to do this are KT and A2X. a2x is a sophisticated program, capable of controlling the mouse, and even moving among widgets on the screen. It requires a server extension (XTEST, DEC-XTRAP, or XTestExtension1). To find out if your server can do this, run 'xdpyinfo' and see if any of these strings appear in the extensions list. If your server doesn't have this, you may want to investigate compiling X11R5, patchlevel 18 or later, or bugging your vendor. kt is a simpler program, which should work with unextended X servers. Another program called xsendevent also exists, but I haven't seen it. Both a2x and kt are available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu. 2. X terminals Also, a number of X terminals (NCD, Tektronics, to name a few) use PC-compatible keyboards. If you have an X terminal, you may be all set. Try it out with a normal PC keyboard before you go through the trouble of buying an alternative keyboard. Also, some X terminals add extra buttons -- you may need to keep your original keyboard around for the once-in-a-blue-moon that you have to hit the Setup key. 3. NeXT NeXT had announced that new NeXT machines will use the Apple Desktop Bus, meaning any Mac keyboard will work. Then, they announced they were cancelling their hardware production. If you want any kind of upgrade for an older NeXT, do it now! 4. Silicon Graphics Silicon Graphics has announced that their newer machines (Indigo^2 and beyond) will use standard PC-compatible keyboards and mice. I don't believe this also applies to the Power Series machines. It's not possible to upgrade an older SGI to use PC keyboards, except by upgrading the entire machine. Contact your SGI sales rep for more details. 5. IBM RS/6000 IBM RS/6000 keyboards are actually similar to normal PC keyboards. || Unfortunately, you can't just plug one in. You need two things: a || cable converter to go from the large PC keyboard connector to the || smaller PS/2 style DIN-6, and a new device driver for AIX. Believe || it or not, IBM wrote this device driver recently, I used it, and it || works. However, they don't want me to redistribute it. I've been || told Judy Hume (512) 823-6337 is a potential contact. If you learn || anything new, please send me e-mail. || 6. Other stuff Some vendors here (notably: Health Care Keyboard Co. and AccuCorp) support some odd keyboard types, and may be responsive to your queries regarding supporting your own weird computer. If you can get sufficient documention about how your keyboard works (either from the vendor, or with a storage oscilloscope), you may be in luck. Contact the companies for more details. Apple Adjustable Keyboard Apple Computer, Inc. Sales offices all over the place. Availability: February, 1993 Price: $219 Supports: Mac only Apple has recently announced their new split-design keyboard. The keyboard has one section for each hand, and the sections rotate backward on a hinge. The sections do not tilt upward. The keys are arranged in a normal QWERTY fashion. The main foldable keyboard resembles a normal Apple Keyboard. A separate keypad contains all the extended key functions. The keyboard also comes with matching wrist rests, which are not directly attachable to the keyboard. As soon as soda comes back up, I'll have a detailed blurb from TidBITS available there. FlexPro Keyboard Key Tronic Phone: 800-262-6006 Possible contact: Denise Razzeto, 509-927-5299 Sold by many clone vendors and PC shops Availability: Spring, 1993 (?) Price: $489 (?) Supports: PC only (highly likely) Keytronic apparently showed a prototype keyboard at Comdex. It's another split-design. One thumb-wheel controls the tilt of both the left and right-hand sides of the main alphanumeric section. The arrow keys and keypad resemble a normal 101-key PC keyboard. Keytronic makes standard PC keyboards, also, so this product will probably be sold through their standard distribution channels. DragonDictate-30K (and numerous other Dragon products) Dragon Systems, Inc. 320 Nevada Street Newton, MA 02160 Phone: 800-TALK-TYP or 617-965-5200 Fax: 617-527-0372 Shipping: Now. Price: DragonDictate-30K -- $4995 (end user system) DragonWriter 1000 -- $1595 / $2495 (end user/developer system) various other prices for service contracts, site licenses, etc. Compatibility: 386 (or higher) PC only (3rd party support for Mac) Free software support for X windows is also available -- your PC with Dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a serial cable or network. The program is called a2x, and is available via anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/a2x.tar.Z export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/a2x.tar.Z (most current) If you want to use your Dragon product with X windows, you may want to ask for Peter Cohen, an salesman at Dragon who knows more about this sort of thing. Dragon Systems sells a number of voice recognition products. Most (if not all) of them seem to run on PC's and compatibles (including PS/2's and other MicroChannel boxes). They sell you a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number of popular word processors and spreadsheets. Each user `trains' the system to their voice, and there are provisions to correct the system when it makes mistakes, on the fly. Multiple people can use it, but you have to load a different personality file for each person. You still get the use of your normal keyboard, too. On the DragonDictate-30K you need to pause 1/10th sec between words. Dragon claims typical input speeds of 30-40 words per minute. I don't have specs on the DragonWriter 1000. The DragonDictate-30K can recognize 30,000 words at a time. The DragonWriter 1000 can recognize (you guessed it) 1000 words at a time. Dragon's technology is also part of the following products (about which I have no other info): Microsoft Windows Sound System (Voice Pilot) IBM VoiceType Voice Navigator II (by Articulate Systems -- for Macintosh) EMStation (by Lanier Voice Products -- ""emergency medical workstation"") The Bat old phone number: 504-336-0033 current phone number: 504-766-8082 Infogrip, Inc. 812 North Blvd. Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70802, U.S.A. Ward Bond (main contact) David Vicknair (did the Unix software) 504-766-1029 Shipping: Now. Supports: Mac, IBM PC (serial port -- native keyboard port version coming very soon...). No other workstations supported, but serial support for Unix with X Windows has been written. PC and Mac are getting all the real attention from the company. A chording system. One hand is sufficient to type everything. The second hand is for redundancy and increased speed. Price: $495 (dual set -- each one is a complete keyboard by itself) $295 (single) (cheaper prices were offered at MacWorld Expo as a show-special.) DataHand 602-860-8584 Industrial Innovations, Inc. 10789 North 90th Street Scottsdale, Arizona 85260-6727, U.S.A. Mark Roggenbuck (contact) Supports: PC and Mac Shipping: In beta. ""Big backlog"" -- could take 3+ months. Price: $2000/unit (1 unit == 2 pods). (new price!) || Each hand has its own ""pod"". Each of the four main fingers has five switches each: forward, back, left, right, and down. The thumbs have a number of switches. Despite appearances, the key layout resembles QWERTY, and is reported to be no big deal to adapt to. The idea is that your hands never have to move to use the keyboard. The whole pod tilts in its base, to act as a mouse. (see also: the detailed review, written by Cliff Lasser available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu) Comfort Keyboard System 414-253-4131 FAX: 414-253-4177 Health Care Keyboard Company N82 W15340 Appleton Ave Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin 53051 U.S.A. Jeffrey Szmanda (Vice President -- contact) Shipping: Now. Supports: PC (and Mac???) || Planned future support: IBM 122-key layout (3270-style, I believe) Sun Sparc Decision Data Unisys UTS-40 Silicon Graphics Others to be supported later. The hardware design is relatively easy for the company to re-configure. Price: $690, including one system ""personality module"". || The idea is that one keyboard works with everything. You purchase ""compatibility modules"", a new cord, and possibly new keycaps, and then you can move your one keyboard around among different machines. It's a three-piece folding keyboard. The layout resembles the standard 101-key keyboard, except sliced into three sections. Each section is on a ""custom telescoping universal mount."" Each section independently adjusts to an infinite number of positions allowing each individual to type in a natural posture. You can rearrange the three sections, too (have the keypad in the middle if you want). Each section is otherwise normal-shaped (i.e.: you put all three sections flat, and you have what looks like a normal 101-key keyboard). Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard 206-455-9220 206-455-9233 (fax) Kinesis Corporation 15245 Pacific Highway South, Seattle, Washington 98188, U.S.A. Shirley Lunde (VP Marketing -- contact) Shipping: Now. Supports: PC. Mac and Sun Sparc in the works. Price: $690. Volume discounts available. The $690 includes one foot pedal, one set of adhesive wrist pads, and a TypingTutor program. An additional foot pedal and other accessories are extra. The layout has a large blank space in the middle, even though the keyboard is about the size of a normal PC keyboard -- slightly smaller. Each hand has its own set of keys, laid out to minimize finger travel. Thumb buttons handle many major functions (enter, backspace, etc.). You can remap the keyboard in firmware (very nice when software won't allow the reconfig). Foot pedals are also available, and can be mapped to any key on the keyboard (shift, control, whatever). Maltron (+44) 081 398 3265 (United Kingdom) P.C.D. Maltron Limited 15 Orchard Lane East Molesey Surrey KT8 OBN England Pamela and Stephen Hobday (contacts) U.S. Distributor: Jim Barrett Applied Learning Corp. 1376 Glen Hardie Road Wayne, PA 19087 Phone: 215-688-6866 Supports: PC's, Amstrad 1512/1640, BBC B, BBC Master, Mac apparently now also available Price: 375 pounds $735 shipped in the U.S.A. (basically, converted price + shipping) The cost is less for BBC computers, and they have a number of accessories, including carrying cases, switch boxes to use both your normal keyboard and the Maltron, an articulated arm that clamps on to your table, and training 'courses' to help you learn to type on your Maltron. You can also rent a keyboard for 10 pounds/week + taxes. U.S. price: $120/month, and then $60 off purchase if you want it. Shipping: Now (in your choice of colors: black or grey) Maltron has four main products -- a two-handed keyboard, two one-handed keyboards, and a keyboard designed for handicapped people to control with a mouth-stick. The layout allocates more buttons to the thumbs, and is curved to bring keys closer to the fingers. A separate keypad is in the middle. AccuKey AccuCorp, Inc. P.O. Box 66 Christiansburg, VA 24073, U.S.A. 703-961-3576 (Pete Rosenquist -- Sales) 703-961-2001 (Larry Langley -- President) Shipping: Now. Supports: PC, Mac, IBM 3270, Sun Sparc, and TeleVideo 935 and 955. Cost: $495 + shipping. Doesn't use conventional push-keys. Soft rubber keys, which rock forward and backward (each key has three states), make chords for typing keys. Learning time is estimated to be 2-3 hours, for getting started, and maybe two weeks to get used to it. Currently, the thumbs don't do anything, although a thumb-trackball is in the works. The company claims it takes about a week of work to support a new computer. They will be happy to adapt their keyboard to your computer, if possible. Twiddler 516-474-4405, or 800-638-2352 Handykey 141 Mt. Sinai Ave. Mt. Sinai, NY 11766 Chris George (President) Shipping: now. Price: $199. Supports: PC only. Mac and X Windows in the works. The Twiddler is both a keyboard and a mouse, and it fits in one hand. You type via finger chords. Shift, control, etc. are thumb buttons. When in ""mouse"" mode, tilting the Twiddler moves the mouse, and mouse buttons are on your fingers. The cabling leaves your normal keyboard available, also. Most applications work, and Windows works fine. DESQview has trouble. GEOWorks also has trouble -- mouse works, keyboard doesn't. Braille 'n Speak 301-879-4944 Blazie Engineering 3660 Mill Green Rd. Street, Md 21154, U.S.A. (information provided by Doug Martin ) The Braille N Speak uses any of several Braille codes for entering information: Grade I, Grade II, or computer Braille. Basically, letters a-j are combinations of dots 1, 2, 4, and 5. Letters k-t are the same combinations as a-j with dot 3 added. Letters u, v, x, y, and z are like a-e with dots 3 and 6 added. (w is unique because Louis Braille didn't have a w in the French alphabet.) The Tony! Ergonomic KeySystem 415-969-8669 Tony Hodges The Tony! Corporation 2332 Thompson Court Mountain View, CA 94043, U.S.A. Supports: Mac, PC, IBM 3270, Sun, and DEC. Shipping: ??? Price: $625 (you commit now, and then you're in line to buy the keyboard. When it ships, if it's cheaper, you pay the cheaper price. If it's more expensive, you still pay $625) The Tony! should allow separate positioning of every key, to allow the keyboard to be personally customized. A thumb-operated mouse will also be available. The Vertical Contact: Jeffrey Spencer or Stephen Albert, 619-454-0000 P.O. Box 2636 La Jolla, CA 92038, U.S.A. Supports: no info available, probably PC's Available: Summer, 1993 Price: $249 The Vertical Keyboard is split in two halves, each pointing straight up. The user can adjust the width of the device, but not the tilt of each section. Side-view mirrors are installed to allow users to see their fingers on the keys. The MIKey 301-933-1111 Dr. Alan Grant 3208 Woodhollow Drive Chevy Chase, Maryland 20815, U.S.A. Shipping: As of July, 1992: ""Should be Available in One Year."" Supports: PC, Mac (maybe) Price: $200 (estimated) The keyboard is at a fixed angle, and incorporates a built-in mouse operated by the thumbs. Function keys are arranged in a circle at the keyboard's left. The Wave (was: 213-) 310-644-6100 FAX: 310-644-6068 Iocomm International Technology 12700 Yukon Avenue Hawthorne, California 90250, U.S.A. Robin Hunter (contact -- in sales) Cost: $99.95 + $15 for a set of cables Supports: PC only. Shipping: now. Iocomm also manufactures ""ordinary"" 101-key keyboard (PC/AT) and 84-key keyboard (PC/XT), so make sure you get the right one. The one-piece keyboard has a built-in wrist-rest. It looks *exactly* like a normal 101-key PC keyboard, with two inches of built-in wrist rest. The key switch feel is reported to be greatly improved. The Minimal Motion Computer Access System 508-263-6437 508-263-6537 (fax) Equal Access Computer Technology Dr. Michael Weinreigh 39 Oneida Rd. Acton, MA 01720, U.S.A. Price: InfoGrip-compatible: ""a few hundred dollars"" + a one-handed Bat For their own system: $300 (DOS software) + ""a few hundred dollars"" Shipping: these are custom-made, so an occupational therapist would make moulds/do whatever to make it for you. You can buy one now. Supports: PC only, although the InfoGrip-compatible version might work with a Mac. In a one-handed version, there is exactly one button per finger. In a two-handed version, you get four buttons per finger, and the thumbs don't do anything. You can also get one-handed versions with three thumb buttons -- compatible with the InfoGrip Bat. Basically, get it any way you want. They also have a software tutorial to help you learn the chording. Works on a PC under DOS, not Windows. Planning on Macintosh and PC/Windows support. No work has been done on a Unix version, yet. Half-QWERTY (Canada) 416-749-3124 The Matias Corporation 178 Thistledown Boulevard Rexdale, Ontario, Canada M9V 1K1 E-mail: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu Supports: Mac and PC (but, not Windows) Demo for anonymous ftp: explorer.dgp.toronto.edu:/pub/Half-QWERTY || Price: $129.95 (higher in Canada, quantity discounts available) Shipping: Now. This thing is purely software. No hardware at all. The software will mirror the keyboard when you hold down the space bar, allowing you type one-handed. Octima (Israel) 972-4-5322844 FAX: (+972) 3 5322970 Ergoplic Keyboards Ltd. P.O. Box 31 Kiryat Ono 55100, Israel (info from Mandy Jaffe-Katz ) A one-handed keyboard. Microwriter AgendA (U.K.) (+44) 276 692 084 FAX: (+44) 276 691 826 Microwriter Systems plc M.S.A. House 2 Albany Court Albany Park Frimley Surrey GU15 2XA, United Kingdom (Info from Carroll Morgan ) The AgendA is a personal desktop assistant (PDA) style machine. You can carry it along with you. It has chording input. You can also hook it up to your PC, or even program it. It costs just under 200 pounds, with 128K memory. =========== Thanks go to Chris Bekins for providing the basis for this information. Thanks to the numerous contributors: Doug Martin Carroll Morgan Mandy Jaffe-Katz Wes Hunter Paul Schwartz H.J. Woltring Dan Sorenson Chris VanHaren Ravi Pandya Leonard H. Tower Jr. Dan Jacobson Jim Cheetham Cliff Lasser Richard Donkin Paul Rubin David Erb Bob Scheifler Chris Grant Scott Mandell and everybody else who I've probably managed to forget. The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor. -- Dan Wallach ""One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet."" -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. " 3103,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > > >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for > > >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. > > > > The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would > >result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, > >isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of > >people are worried about already.... > > Could you expand on this...? Simple -- if you have a choice between: 1. American manufacturers peddling Cripple Chips with a secret untested algorithm whose keys are held by people with a history of untrustworthy behavoir, or 2. Japanese (to pick the obvious example) manufacturers peddling encryption chips with an algorithm that has faced public scrutiny and keys under the control of the user, which would you choose? At most, the American government can deny this choice to American citizens (and probably not that, if the glorious success of the War on Drugs is any example); it can't do much about the global market. " 3104,0,"From: cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: vesta.unm.edu Keywords: Dan Bissell In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: [deletia wrt pathetic Jee-zus posting by Bissel] > I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' > ve given me. NO. He hasn't extended to US the courtesy you've shown us, so he don't get no pie. Tammy, I respect your beliefs because you don't try to stamp them into my being. I have scorn for posters whose sole purpose appears to be to evangelize. > > Tammy " 3105,18,"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Distribution: world Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA Lines: 23 jon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes: > > In article , wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wo > > A sad day for civil rights. But typical of NC (unfortunately.) > > If it is typical for the principle of reasonable doubt to be upheld in > North Carolina, then I would count that in the state's favor. > Reasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of Civil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings attached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that verdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or innocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than objective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be sacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a small price to pay for the common good don't you think? --------------------------------------------------------------------- cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy to the person who doesn't have to do them. Holt's law " 3106,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: islamic genocide Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 49 In <2943927496.1.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: >>DATE: 14 Apr 1993 23:52:11 GMT >>FROM: Frank O'Dwyer >> >>In article <1993Apr14.102810.6059@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >> >>Just borrowing your post, Mr. Rice... >> >>#In <2943656910.0.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: >>#>Are you sure that democracy is the driving force behind >>#>the massacres in East Timor? It is certainly odd that so many of the worlds >>#>massacres occur along religious lines, independently of any claims to a >>#>democratic form of government. Are Ireland and Northern Ireland considered >>#>democracies? Would you attribute their problems to democracy even though >>#>they are democracies? Which motivates them more, religion or democracy? >> >>Mr. Rice was pointing out a fallacy in the assertion that Islam is evil >>because some of those who claim to follow it are evil, not asserting that >>democracy causes massacres, as I read it. >That is right, he was. And I was pointing out that his use of Indonesians >killing the East Timorese as a result of _democracy_ was a bit weak because >democracy is not much of a motivation for doing much of anything in Indonesia >from what I remember. East Timor was a former Portguese territory which was >forcibly annexed by Indonesia. Last I heard over 10,000 Indonesians have >died trying to keep East Timor a part of Indonesia. Being a former >Portuguese colony, there is a strong Catholic influence in East Timor as I >recall. So it seems a bit odd that yet again we have another war being >fought between people who just ""happen"" to have different religions. Purely >coincidental, I guess. But then the real motivation is to get the vote out >and make democracy work in Indonesia. I pointed out the secession movement in Aceh which has also been brutally dealt with in the past by the Indonesian government. The harshly with all secessionist movements. the evidence, it appears to me that the Indonesian government has dealt very harshly with all secession movements. I know that the head of the Indonesian armed forces for a very long time was Benny Murdani -- a ""Christian"". Indonesia has been heavy handed in East Timor for a long time , even when Murdani was head of the armed forces. The people who make up the Indonesian government are in general motivated by national interests, not religious ones. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 3107,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Article-I.D.: rave.1pseebINNhn6 Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr6.092913.18724@sei.cmu.edu> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes: > >In article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes: > >> The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus >> our use of the Ohms... > > >Yeah, right. And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite. That's completely inaccurate. The ohm was an original standard made equal to a the resistance of a standardized electric stove heating element. That's where the song ""Ohm on the Range"" came from, of course. --scott " 3108,8,"From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 33 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration >(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me. >If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over >these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes >along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it >is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a >future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put >him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own. I hate to admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers. >This also applies in cages. Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't seem like a fair fight. >If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no >compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of >it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you. after all it is a dog eat dog world Dave " 3109,9,"From: rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Bighelmet) Subject: Re: Best Sportwriters... Keywords: Sportswriters Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: >Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting??? I happen to be a big fan of Jayson Stark. He is a baseball writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Every tuesday he writes a ""Week in Review"" column. He writes about unusual situations that occured during the week. Unusual stats. He has a section called ""Kinerisms of the Week"" which are stupid lines by Mets brodcaster Ralph Kiner. Every year he has the LGTGAH contest. That stands for ""Last guy to get a hit."" He also writes for Baseball America. That column is sort of a highlights of ""Week in Review."" If you can, check his column out sometime. He might make you laugh. Rob Koffler -- ****************************************************************** |You live day to day and rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu| |dream about tomorrow --Don Henley | ****************************************************************** " 3110,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I suspect that the decisive element in the political battle will be the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) factor. If the people who would be end users of the Cripple Chip hear of the whole debate only vaguely -- the government says it's solid; other people in the field say it's Swiss cheese -- the balance of doubt could shift against the Feds. Any attempt to limit other forms of encryption could then be presented as the government covering its own butt by protecting its poor product from superior competition. Comments? " 3111,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Indiana University Lines: 98 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: [insert deletion of unnecessary quote] >Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure >from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and >his angels. First of all, God does not take any sort of pleasure from punishing people. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on whom he will have compassion (Ex 33:19). However, if he enjoyed punishing people and sending them to hell, then why would he send Jesus to ""seek and save that which was lost"" (Luke 19:10)? > >To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with >the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible >teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their >judgement is soon to come. > >Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory >should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away >from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible. > You asked for it. 2 Peter 2:4-ff talks about how those who are ungodly are punished. Matthew 25:31-46 is also very clear that those who do not righteous in God's eyes will be sent to hell for eternity. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 states that those who cause trouble for the disciples ""will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord"". 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 talks about those who refuse to love the truth being condemned. Revelation 21:6-8 talks about the difference between those who overcomes and those who do not. Those who do not, listed in verse 8, will be in the ""fiery lake of burning sulfur"". Revelation 14:9-12 gives the indication that those who follow the beast ""will be tormented with burning sulfur"" and there being ""no rest day or night"" for them because of it. Psalm 9:17: ""The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God."" I think those should be sufficient to prove the point. >Darius Joe Fisher [In the following I'm mostly playing ""devil's advocate"". I'm not advocating either position. My concern is that people understand that it's possible to see these passages in different ways. It's possible to see eternal destruction as just that -- destruction. Rev often uses the term ""second death"". The most obvious understanding of that would seem to be final extinction. The problem is that the NT speaks both of eternal punishment and of second death. I.e. it uses terms that can be understood either way. My concern here is not to convince you of one view or the other, but to help people understand that there's a wide enough variety of images that it's possible to understand them either way. As Tom Albrecht commented, the primary point is to do our best to keep people out of the eternal fire, whatever the details. (To make things more interesting, Luke 20:35 implies that the damned don't get resurrected at all. Presumably they just stay dead. -- yes I'm aware that it's possible to understand this passage in a non-literal way.) 2 Peter 2:4-ff is talking about angels, and talks about holding them in hell until the final judgement. This isn't eternal punishement. Matthew 25:31-46 talks about sending the cursed into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. The fact that the fire is eternal doesn't mean that people will last in its flames forever. Particularly interesting is the comment about the fire having been prepared for the devil and his angels. Rev 20 and 21 talk about the eternal fire as well. They say that the beast and the false prophet will be tormented forever in it. When talking about people being thrown into it (20:13-14), it is referred to as ""the second death"". This sounds more like extinction than eternal torment. Is is possible that the fire has different effects on supernatural entities such as the devil, and humans? 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 similarly, what is ""everlasting destruction""? This is not necessarily eternal torment. This one can clearly be understood either way, but I think it's at least possible to think that everlasting is being used to contrast the kind of destruction that can occur in this life with the final destruction that occurs in eternity. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 again talks about destruction. Revelation 21:6-8: see comment above Revelation 14:9-12 is probably the best of the quotes. Even there, it doesn't explicitly say that the people suffer forever. It says that the smoke (and presumably the fire) is eternal, and that there is no respite from it. But it doesn't say that the people are tormented forever. Psalm 9:17: I don't see that it says anything relevant to this issue. --clh] " 3112,3,"From: apoylis@inode.com Subject: FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Reply-To: apoylis@inode.com Distribution: world Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146) Lines: 9 Reply-to: apoylis@inode.com Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? If I missed it, could anyone please repost or email it to me? Thanks in advance. ... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106 --- þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ " 3113,1,"From: highlndr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (The Highlander) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699) writes: >Why so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe >about its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to >help define or critique the spec. HEAR HEAR!!! >Finally, a little numerology: 42 is 24 backwards, and TIFF is a 24 bit >image format... REALLY? i thought that the reason it was 42 was that it is REALLY 24, but written as 42 so that on Intel chips you could get the proper value :) -pete help stomp out the endian wars... break some eggs on their sides! -- Peter Mueller (TheBishop) | When a person commits a violation and sins highlndr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu | unintentionally in regard to any of the pmueller@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu | Lord's holy things, he is to bring to the | Lord as a penalty, a ram from the flock... " 3114,10,From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) Subject: Anyone Have Official Shorthanded Goal Totals? Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Distribution: na Lines: 4 Does anyone out there have the shorthanded goal totals of the NHL players for this season? We're trying to finish our rotisserie stats and need SHG to make it complete. 3115,15,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 194 In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins >Romans 14 with ""If someone is weak in the faith ..."" Do you count >yourself as one who is weak in the faith? Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith? >you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind >about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)? Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is missing the mark? >>However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous >>proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I >>indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. >Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly >clear, are they not? Are they clear or do you have doubts? >[No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God. An important first step; the realization that Paul was human. >However Paul was writing for a largely Gentile audience. Yes, and he was writing and speaking for an audience that was at best, very weak in the faith; most could not read, most were unfamiliar with the Hebrew Scriptures in even the Septuagint form. Paul adapted the message of the Bible to a largely uneducated market. Granted, this market still exists today, but do you count yourself as part of it? To be ""weak in the faith"" is not missing the mark (hamartia) if you do the best that your education allows. Are you doing the best? >The Law was regarded by Jews >at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There >are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic >laws), but they are quite minimal. Let me make clear that the ""Law"" is none other than the Pentateuch of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. What did Jesus say about the ""Law"" in Matt5:14-19? Where did Jesus say that the ""Law"" only applies to Jews and that Gentiles are above the ""Law""? >The issue that the Church had to >face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to >follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say >that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it >didn't apply to Gentiles. Who acknowledged this fact? On what basis? Are we extra-biblical at this point? Why not also acknowledge that the Bhagavad-Gita is the only relevant text for Gentiles, after all we see in the Bible that it was Magus from the east who observed the star-signs of Jesus? Why bother with any texts at all? Why not just follow whatever the Church has to say? >Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5. I don't see how you can say this with a straight face. Are you a follower of Christ, or do you follow someone else? Are you saying that the words of Jesus only apply to Jews? >As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did >continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath. Thus they >continued to obey the Law. How Jewish was Paul after he changed his name from Saul? >The issue was (and is) with Gentile >Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the >ceremonial aspects of it). Who says Gentile Christians are not covered by the first five books? Who says that Gentile Christians are above the Ten Commandments? >Jesus dealt mostly with Jews. I think we can reasonably assume that >Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience. You're implying that Jesus' words are valid only for Jews. Is this really what you mean to say? You do realize that you are gutting rather large portions of the Bible? When you read Jesus' words, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe Jesus is talking to you, no matter what your race or sex? If the Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospel accounts of Jesus are only directed to Jews, why were they translated into English? >He did interact with >Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a >couple of others). The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke >7) suggest that he was a ""God-fearer"", i.e. a Gentile who followed >God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law. As Paul would call him, one who was weak in the faith. >He was commended by >Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such. >This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view >that Gentiles need not accept the Law. Which is more important: 1) The recorded word of Jesus or 2) Indications that you can deduce from the Bible? Was Jesus God only of the Jews, or God of all humankind of all race and sex? >However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on >the Law. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we >have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and >how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I >read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a >certain sense superceded. This is your understanding of Paul. Compare this to the word of Jesus. Are you Christian or Pauline? >Again, this issue isn't one of the >abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes >that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not >what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being >present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an >impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Again, this is your understanding of Paul. Did Jesus say that the Law was an ""impossible standard?"" Did Jesus say that He superceded the Law? Are you Christian or Pauline? >Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone >agrees with my reading. You acknowledge that it is *your* reading of Paul. What did Jesus say? Can you deny that Matt5:14-19 is quite clear in its meaning? Are you Christian or Pauline? >But the interesting thing to notice is that >even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. >It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota >or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's >important that it not be relaxed. When did Jesus say that the purpose of the Law was conviction of sin? >However for Christians, it's not >the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law. Please reread Matt5:14-19. Are you Christian or Pauline? >Jesus' interpretations >emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial >details. Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are ceremonial details? >Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being >superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the >""ceremonial law"", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite >concerned about maintaining moral standards. You call observance of the Sabbath, the day on which the Lord rested, ceremonial? Has circumcision been superceded for Christians? .... Are you Christian or Pauline? [Both. There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is not, at least not in this case. Jesus did not deal explicitly with the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles. That's why I have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion. As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't come up with at the moment. Both authors are Jews. Also, various Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in other newsgroups. Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid. It does not say that it applies to Gentiles. And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're looking at the obligations of Gentiles. Similarly circumcision. I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject. Again, it's unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly. However we do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15 more than Paul). Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see that there's a big problem. --clh] " 3116,7,"From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes: >>People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar >>and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional >>brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything. >Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today. Small >fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the >performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars. I have been for a fairly hard run in an MX5, what they lack in power they surely make up for in handling. Great for back streets with heaps of corners. They are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free revving DOHC engine, a fun car. Have you driven a TURBO converted MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it? Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth [32S, 116E]--> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v Joy is a Jaguar XJ6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3117,5,"From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX In article <1993Apr22.215913.23501@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: > ... remove the shared memory segment... > Terrible, but it works. Why is that terrible ? That's exactly the way our code has been doing it for two years now and is the way that temporary files in UNIX systems are managed most of the time (open, unlink). Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology Digital Equipment Corporation neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com " 3118,8,"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: rec Organization: NOT Lines: 9 xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes: ]Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? yes. -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org " 3119,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: >cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: >> All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year >> moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace >>development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of >> Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. >> But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to >> realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. >> Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of >> today? > The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- >and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. >The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long >transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. Lindbergh's flight took place in '27, not the thirties. >It didn't require gov't to >fund these as long as something was known about the potential for profit >at the destination. In practice, some were gov't funded, some were private. Could you give examples of privately funded ones? >But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount >of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. Your logic certainly applies to standard investment strategies. However, the concept of a prize for a difficult goal is done for different reasons, I suspect. I'm not aware that Mr Orteig received any significant economic benefit from Lindbergh's flight. Modern analogies, such as the prize for a human powered helicopter face similar arguments. There is little economic benefit in such a thing. The advantage comes in the new approaches developed and the fact that a prize will frequently generate far more work than the equivalent amount of direct investment would. A person who puts up $ X billion for a moon base is much more likely to do it because they want to see it done than because they expect to make money off the deal. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 3120,14,"From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr06.020021.186145@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working >and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either: >* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back, >and/or >* A Saturn V went boom. The Apollo fire was harsh, A Saturn V explosion would have been hurtful but The Soviets winning would have been crushing. That could have been *the* technological turning point for the US turning us from Today's ""We can do anything, we're *the* Super Power"" to a much more reserved attitude like the Soviet Program today. Kennedy was gone by 68\69, the war was still on is the east, I think the program would have stalled badly and the goal of the moon by 70 would have been dead with Nasa trying to figure were they went wrong. >If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone >head and done some landings, but we also would have been more >determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the >Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend >upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base >would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think >that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value >of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would >have concentrated on the moon. I speulate that: +The Saturn program would have been pushed into the 70s with cost over runs that would just be too evil. Nixon still wins. +The Shuttle was never proposed and Skylab never built. +By 73 the program stalled yet again under the fuel crisis. +A string of small launches mark the mid seventies. +By 76 the goal of a US man on the moon is dead and the US space program drifts till the present day. >/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ >| ""I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | >| the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | >| Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."" | >| | " 3121,4,"From: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn) Subject: Re: built-in video problems on Mac IIsi !!??!! Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands Lines: 24 In <1993Apr19.164611.1018@fys.ruu.nl> walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn) writes: >I've seen the following problem om three Mac IIsi machines >all with 17 Mb RAM installed (70 or 80 ns SIMMs). >If the contents of a window are being calculated and updated >a lot of strange horizontal lines are temporarily generated >on the screen. The lines translate to the top of the screen and >have a slightly lower brightness than their surroundings (they >are a few millimeters apart). >I admit that they are vague, but they can still be distinguished clearly, >especially if the environment (i.e. the rest of the room) is a bit dark. >Applications which produce this effect are: >- the previewer of DirectTeX 1.2 (i.e. DVIReader 1.2) >- Kaleidagraph 2.1.1/FPU Another program which produces this effect is: - SpyGlass Transform 2.1 (while contouring a big 257*257 array). Thanks for any information about this problem, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred Walsteijn | Internet: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research | FAX: 31-30-543163 Utrecht University, The Netherlands | Phone: 31-30-533169 " 3122,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 26 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable > one: Make it voluntary. As usually, you are not reading. The proposal -does- say that it is a ""voluntary program"". This doesn't make it more desirable, though... > That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree > to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. ""Secure""? How do you know? Because NSA is trying to make you believe it? ""Trust us."" Yeah, right. ""Otherwise you are on your own""? How do you know that tomorrow they will not outlaw encrypring devices that don't use ""their"" technology? Because they are promising you? Gee, they are not doing even that - read the proposal again. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 3123,16,"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) Subject: ACLU policies Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com Organization: Storage Technology Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 59 ACLU Official Policies. Policy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion pictures: ""Industry sponsored ratings systems create the potential for constraining the creative process and thus contracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of providing guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of expression."" In regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its Policy 84: ""The insertion of the words `under God' into the Pledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional principle of separation of Church and State."" Policy 120 states that, ""Military conscription under any circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and constitutional guarantees."" The ACLU objects to the draft even during wartime because of the ""anti-democratic power it gives government to wage war without support of the people."" Policy 125 states, ""The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes against humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the actions of the United States military and other combatants against the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam."" Policy 133 states, ""The ACLU recognizes that US government reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign and domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy, is in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount threat to our civil liberties."" Policy 217 objects to roadblocks ""where drivers are stopped for sobriety tests"" because they ""violate Fourth Amendment principles."" Policy 242 states the following on criminal sentencing: ""The most appropriate correctional approach is reintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the offender within the community than by incarceration. Probation should be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions to the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made, should be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder or treason."" Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!) ------------------------------------------------------------ " 3124,5,"From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) Subject: X-server multi screen Organization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you: I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: -) multi-screen -) multi-headed -) multi-display -) X-Server zaphod mode Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle (in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one screen/display to another. Any hints welcome. Thanks, rainer. -- Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 Penzingerstr. 76 | A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at " 3125,1,"From: bernard@cs.su.oz.au (Bernard Gardner) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science Keywords: polygon, needed Lines: 10 For some reason I never saw the original post on this thread, but if you are looking for fast polygon routines on vga on a PC, you really can't go past the mode X stuff from Dr Dobbs. This code is all p.domain (as far as I know), and in the original articles, the routines were all presented as dumb vga routines, and then optimised to modeX with some interesting discussion along the way. If you are interested, I could find out more details of the issues in question, (I have them at home). Bernard. " 3126,15,"From: thssccb@iitmax.iit.edu (catherine c bareiss) Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology Lines: 36 In article mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes: > > I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd >pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in >ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam >and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in >1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the >U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and >repression."" I have personally know quite of few of the Wycliffe Bible Translators. As an organization their fundamental purpose is to translate the scriptures into the native languages which in terms usual means learning it and developing a written language (along with teaching the natives to read). It is not associated with the U.S. govt. at all. Many governments want the help of the translators. To the best of my knowledge the Mexican government now encourages them to come. Their idea is not cultural interference but the presentation of the Good News. To understand more about what they do, I suggest you read some of the books (autobiographical and biographical) about some of the translators. One that stands out in my mind as an excellent is called ""Peace Child."" This would give a true picture of what their mission is. > My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even >praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that >Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as >automatically above reproach. > > mp I agree with this statement, but we cannot also accept what others say without looking into the issues. That would be the same as taking Suddan's discussion about the CIA, etc. as being true. We must look at both sides. Cathy Bareiss " 3127,9,"From: ccox@math.nwu.edu (Christopher L. Cox) Subject: Re: Yogi-isms Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.213008.1009 Organization: Dept of Math, Northwestern Univ Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: poincare.math.nwu.edu > > Here's one I remember: (sort of) > Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone. > After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi > up. Yogi answered, ""No, the phone did."" > > Kevin One of my favorites came back in the seventies when two streakers interupted a game Yogi was at, dashing across the field unclad. Later someone who wasn't present asked Yogi if they were men or women. He replied, ""I couldn't tell, they had bags over their heads."" " 3128,4,From: dleonard@wixer.bga.com (Dale Leonard) Subject: Trade Mac SE system for Color Mac??? Article-I.D.: wixer.1993Apr16.181557.11264 Organization: Real/Time Communications Lines: 31 Ok I want to get a color Mac I don't care if it is an LC or a Mac II or what but I want to go to a color machine. I'd prefer to trade my present Mac SE system plus some cash or other equipment for the color system as right now I'm not full of the $$$ to buy a color system outright. Here's what my Mac SE system has... Mac SE 4/20 with internal 800K drive 20 Meg external External 800K drive ImageWriter II with 4 color ribbon Stuff that can go with it...... I've got 3 modems and I'd be willing to give 1 of the 9600's and the 2400 with the system MultiTech Multimodem II (9600 data/fax) U.S. Robotics Sportster (9600 data) Microcom QX/12K (normally will connect at only 2400 as highest but it will do faster if connected to another Microcom) The USR and the MultiTech are both brand-new If interested send me e-mail at dleonard@wixer.bga.com -- | Primary: | Judy's Stamps (Misc. topical stamps. From Dogs..| | dleonard@wixer.bga.com | to cats to baseball and many many other subjects| | Secondary: | For stamp information call Tony Leonard at......| | dleonard@wixer.cactus.org| (512) 837-0022 This is a business only number!!!| 3129,1,"From: ktt3@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Koon Tang) Subject: PostScript driver for GINO Organization: The Univerity of Brighton, U.K. Lines: 15 Does anybody know where I can get, via anonymous ftp or otherwise, a PostScript driver for the graphics libraries GINO verison 3.0A ? We are runnining on a VAX/VMS and are looking for a way outputing our plots to a PostScript file... Thanks in advance... -- Koon Tang, internet: ktt3@unix.bton.ac.uk Department of Mathematical Sciences, uucp: uknet!itri!ktt3 University of Brighton, Brighton, BN2 4GJ, U.K. " 3130,15,"From: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin) Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs Reply-To: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 71 In article 2262@geneva.rutgers.edu, Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes: > I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second > Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the > person claiming to be IT is obviously insane? First by his fruits. The messiah comes to build the kingdom of heaven on the earth. He also comes to first reveal the root cause of original sin (fallen nature) and then provide a means to cut the connection to that original sin. He also wants to create world peace based on Godism. The messiah's teachings will build on the foundation of the Bible but provide profound new insights into the nature of God, the fall of man, the purpose of creation, and God's providence of restoration. It will also provide a foundation for the unity of all the World's religions. Many Christians expect Jesus to come on literal clouds, so they may miss him when he returns. Just as the Jewish people missed Jesus 2000 years ago. They are still waiting for his first coming. The Jewish people of that age expected Elijah to come first. Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. But John the Baptist denied that he was Elijah. (How did this reflect on Jesus?) Later in prison John even questioned who Jesus was: ""is he the one who is to come or do we look for another"". (see book of Matthew) > > I'm not saying that David Koresh is the Second Coming of Christ. How could > somebody who breaks his word be the Second Coming? Koresh did promise that > he would come out of his compound if only he was allowed to give a radio > broadcast. He didn't. Still it seems to me that he did fool some people. David Koresh didn't even come close. The problem is that people like this make it difficult for people to believe and trust in the real Messiah when he does show up. > > And, from my meagre knowledge of the Bible, it seems that Christians have > been hard on the Jews of Christ's day for being cautious about accepting > somebody that their religious authorities didn't accept as the Messiah. > > So I was surprised that nobody had discussed the difficulty of wanting to be > early to recognize the Second Coming while, at the same time, not wanting to > be credulously believing just anybody who claims to be God. Very good point and perhaps the most important point of all for Christians: How to recognize the Second Coming? The Messiah should not claim to be God. What sets a Messiah apart is that he is born without original sin. He is not born perfect but achieves perfection after a period of growth. Adam and Eve were born sinless but they fell, and this tragedy meant that it would take God thousands of years to create the kingdom of heaven on the earth as God originally intended. God's restoration providence is still not complete. The messiah is the true Son of God, one with God, God's representative on the earth, but not God himself. There is only one God. > [Mark 13:21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' > or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. ... > Mark 13:26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with > great power and glory. > My understanding of Jesus' answer is that, unlike his first coming, > which was veiled, the second coming will be quite unmistakeable. > By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me > that he is claiming to be Christ. Who else in this world is claiming to be the Messiah. Maybe he's already here. Mike " 3131,11,"From: mike@avon.demon.co.uk (""Mike H."") Subject: Re: Another data hiding scheme... Distribution: world Organization: boring Reply-To: mike@avon.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19) Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr13.225348.6511@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU writes: >since the price of 1.44 M 3.5"" floppies were still high until the last >few years. If you store ""old"" data, with old file times, in the public >filesystem the casual observer may miss the ""HD""... especially if you >""accidently"" cover it with something). > >-- >Bear Giles >bear@cs.colorado.edu/fsl.noaa.gov > It has been done already! In the UK the Atari ST box was shipped with 360K disks in the first few years and then later 720K disks. In order to make life less complicated, many freebie disks on mags were double formatted like this. Side 0 of the disk had 360K on it and could be read by any ST. It also had a flip-side program. This would swap the sides around so that side 1 became side 0. -- Mike (mike@avon.demon.co.uk) " 3132,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 18 In article , pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.144825.756@ra.royalroads.ca> |> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes: |> >If one does not follow the teachings of Christ, he is NOT Christian. |> >Too easy? |> |> That would exclude most self-proclaimed ""Christians."" |> Do you follow the Ten Commandments? As a matter of fact, yes I do or at least I strive to. I will not be so proud as to boast that my faith is 100%. I am still human and imperfect and therefore, liable to sin. Thankfully, there is opportunity for repentence and forgiveness. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 3133,13,"From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: How To Prevent Kidney Stone Formation Lines: 154 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine I got asked in Sci. Med. Nutrition about vitamin C and oxalate production( toxic, kidney stone formation?). I decided to post my answer here as well because of the recent question about kidney stones. Not long after I got into Sci. Med. I got flamed by a medical fellow for stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation. I'm going to state it again here. But the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming is to take B6 supplements. Read on to find out why(I have my asbestos suit on now guys). Vitamin C will form oxalic acid. But large doses are needed (above 6 grams per day). 1. Review Article ""Nutritional factors in calcium containing kidney stones with particular emphasis on Vitamin C"" Int. Clin. Nutr. Rev. 5(3):110-129(1985). But glycine also forms oxalic acid(D-amino acid oxidases). For both glycine and vitamin C, one of the best ways to drastically reduce this production is not to cut back on dietary intake of vitamin C or glycine, but to increase your intake of vitamin B6. 2. ""Control of hyperoxaluria with large doses of pyridoxine in patients with kidney stones"" Int. Urol. Nephrol. 20(4):353-59(1988) 200 to 500 mg of B6 each day significasntly decreased the urinary excretion of oxalate over the 18 month treatment program. 3. The action of pyridoxine in primary hyperoxaluria"" Clin. Sci. 38 :277-86(1970). Patients receiving at least 150mg B6 each day showed a significant reduction in urinary oxalate levels. For gylcine, this effect is due to increased transaminase activity(B6 is required for transaminase activity) which makes less glycine available for oxidative deamination(D-amino acid oxidases). For vitamin C, the effect is quite different. There are different pathways for vitamin C catabolism. The pathway that leads to oxalic acid formation will usually have 17 to 40% of the ingested dose going into oxalic acid. But this is highly variable and the vitamin C review article pointed out that unless the dose gets upto 6 grams per day, not too much vitamin C gets catabolized to form oxalic acid. At very high doses of vitamin C(above 10 grams per day), more of the extra vitamin C (more than 40% conversion) can end up as oxalic acid. In a very early study on vitamin C and oxalic production(Proc. Soc. Exp. Biol. Med. 85:190-92(1954), intakes of 2 grams per day up to 9 grams per day increased the average oxalic acid excretion from 38mg per day up to 178mg per day. Until 8 grams per day was reached, the average excreted was increased by only 3 to 12mg per day(2 gram dose, 4 gram dose, 8 gram dose and 9gram dose). 8 grams jumped it to 45mg over the average excretion before supplementation and 9 grams jumped it to 150 mg over the average before supplementation. B6 is required by more enzymes than any other vitamin in the body. There are probably some enzymes that require vitamin B6 that we don't know about yet. Vitamin C catabolism is still not completely understood but the speculation is that this other pathway that does not form oxalic acid must have an enzyme in it that requires B6. Differences in B6 levels could then explain the very variable production of oxalic acid from a vitamin C challenge(this is not the preferred route of catabolism). Increasing your intake of B6 would then result in less oxalic acid being formmed if you take vitamin C supplements. Since the typical American diet is deficient in B6, some researchers believe that the main cause of calcium-oxalate kidney stones is B6 deficiency(especially since so little oxalic acid gets absorbed from the gut). Diets providing 0 to 130mg of oxalic acid per day showed absolutely no change in urinary excretion of oxalate(Urol Int.35:309 -15,1980). If 400mg was present each day, there was a significant increase in urinary oxalate excretion. Here are the high oxalate foods: 1. Beans, coca, instant coffee, parsley, rhubarb, spinach and tea. Contain at least 25mg/100grams 2. Beet tops, carrots, celery, chocolate, cumber, grapefruit, kale, peanuts, pepper, sweet potatoe. Contain 10 to 25 mg/100grams. If the threshold is 130mg per day, you can see that you really have a lot of latitude in food selection. A recent N.Eng.J. Med. article also points out that one good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to increase your intake of calcium which will prevent most of the dietary oxalate from being absorbed at all. If you also increase your intake of B6, you shouldn't have to worry about kidney stones at all. The RDA for B6 is 2mg per day for males and 1.6mg per day for females(directly related to protein intake). B6 can be toxic(nerve damage) if it is consumed in doses of 500mg or more per day for an extended peroid(weeks to months). The USDA food survey done in 1986 had an average intake of 1.87 mg per day for males and 1.16mg per day for females living in the U.S. Coupled with this low intake was a high protein diet(which greatly increases the B6 requirement), as well as the presence of some of the 40 different drugs that either block B6 absorption, are metabolic antagonists of B6, or promote B6 excretion in the urine. Common ones are: birth control pills, alcohol, isoniazid, penicillamine, and corticosteroids. I tell my students to supplement all their patients that are going to get any of the drugs that increase the B6 requirement. The dose recommended for patients taking birth control pills is 10-15mg per day and this should work for most of the other drugs that increase the B6 requirement(this would be on top of your dietary intake of B6). Any patient that has a history of kidney stone formation should be given B6 supplements. One other good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to make sure your Ca/Mg dietary ratio is 2/1. Magnesium-oxalate is much more soluble than is calcium-oxalate. 4. ""The magnesium:calcium ratio in the concentrated urines of patients with calcium oxalate calculi""Invest. Urol 10:147(1972) 5. ""Effect of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide on the crystallization of calcium in urine: changes producted by food-magnesium interaction""J. Urol. 143(2):248-51(1990). 6.Review Article, ""Magnesium in the physiopathology and treatment of renal calcium stones"" J. Presse Med. 161(1):25-27(1987). There are actually about three times as many articles published in the medical literature on the role of magnesium in preventing kidney stone formation than there are for B6. I thought that I was being pretty safe in stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation in an earlier post in this news group but good old John A. in Mass. jumped all over me. I guess that he doesn't read the medical literature. Oh well, since kidney stones can be a real pain and a lot of people suffer from them, I thought I'd tell you how you can avoid the pain and stay out of the doctor's office. Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine 1111 W. 17th Street Tulsa, Ok. 74107 ""Without discourse, there is no remembering, without remembering, there is no learning, without learning, there is only ignorance"". From a wise man who lived in China, many, many years ago. I think that it still has meaning in today's world. " 3134,5,"From: lehors@koala.inria.fr (Arnaud Le_Hors) Subject: ** Xpm 3.2g is available ** Keywords: XPM Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France Lines: 44 On export.lcs.mit.edu directory contrib, and avahi.inria.fr directory pub/xpm: xpm-3.2f-to-3.2g.patch.Z xpm-3.2g.tar.Z /* Copyright 1990-93 GROUPE BULL -- See license conditions in file COPYRIGHT */ /**************************************************************************\ * * * HISTORY of user-visible changes * * * \**************************************************************************/ 3.2g (93/04/26) ENHANCEMENTS: - much faster close colors - piping from/to compressed files now handles GNU's gzip (.z) format - added XpmColorKey attribute - ability to specify which visual's colors to use (ie: now it's possible to read in a pixmap in a color visual, but use the colors specified for monochrome). - added -mono, -grey4, -grey and -color options to sxpm to demonstrate the XpmColorKey attribute. - Jason Patterson BUGS CORRECTED: - fixed bug where redefining ""None"" as a pixel stopped mask generation - minor SVR4 defines for - fixed annoying closecolor bug related to read/write color cells - fixed minor bug in color value -> pixel overloading - manual updated to include new red/green/blue closeness attributes - Jason Patterson - the top Imakefile was missing the depend target - sxpm/Imakefile fixed so that -L../lib is set before the standard library location. - Vivek Khera - lib/xpmP.h now defines bcopy as memcpy for VMS (required by recent versions of VMS) - J. Daniel Smith - the lib/Imakefile didn't work with X11R4. -- Arnaud LE HORS - lehors@sophia.inria.fr - BULL Research France, Koala Project " 3135,3,"Subject: IDE & MFM in same machine? HOW? From: lynn@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Organization: Mankato State University Lines: 16 If anyone out there can help, I would greatly appreciate it. This christmas, I built a computer out of used parts for my Father-in-law. The disk drive that I installed was a Seagate 251-1 MFM. Anyway, he now he would like to put another HD into this system. I DON'T want to buy another MFM, the only reason why I used an MFM in the first place is that it was FREE. Would I need a special IDE HD controller? Also, if I do need a special IDE controller, where can I purchase one, & how much are they? Please send any responses to: lynn@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Thanks in advance, Stan Tyree " 3136,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Keywords: Leaf Wings Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 20 In article <1r1chb$5l2@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM writes: > > >What are the Leafs to do? I am a Leaf supporter and >I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there >is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits >Pat Burns. > >If you were Pat Burns what would you do? > Pray for the Wings to become lazy and overconfident...the Wings can only lose the series...Toronto cannot win it. Take away Doug Gilmour and the Leafs are an old Tampa Bay. The Leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort during the regular season...but if Detroit puts in a reasonable effort, this is not a contest. Gerald " 3137,5,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1 Organization: western geophysical exploration products Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com In-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 23:58:27 GMT >>>>> On 16 Apr 1993 23:58:27 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said: Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com Doug> ..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm... Doug> Undefined first referenced Doug> symbol in file Doug> index /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) Doug> rindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) Doug> ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm Actually .. the problem is that you have to build with LD_LIBRARY_PATH unset as well as LD_RUN_PATH. -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 " 3138,9,"From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) Organization: Ultra Network Technologies Lines: 17 ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons): > > The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine > > players each. Let's keep it that way. niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent): > Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb > argument. REALLY??? My little mind be boggled! I don't have a 1993 Rule Book yet, so David, would you please post the new wording of Rule 1.01 -- I am MIGHTILY curious! Much thanks. Wayne Hathaway domain: wayne@Ultra.COM Ultra Network Technologies uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne 101 Daggett Drive phone: 408-922-0100 x132 San Jose, CA 95134 FAX: 408-433-9287 " 3139,18,"From: mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Organization: Texas Tech University Distribution: tx Lines: 32 bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk) writes: > A few weeks ago I found out about some of the politics that > is going on with the Texas bullet train, and was appalled at some > of the apparent underhanded tactics to push this thing through > without any public say whatsoever. So, I wrote up a short > editorial thing and posted it, hoping to get some discussion. > > I suppose editorials don't do it here. So now I am asking for > the general opinion of the net about the proposed high speed > train. > > What do you think? I personally think it is a stupid idea, and > that there are a few people somewhere who are going to get very > rich from this deal. > My opinion is this: In a society whose economy is primarily based on capitalism, the role of government should be to provide those goods and services that need providing for the general public's good. BUT government should supply those necessary goods and services only when it is impossible for a private enterprise (or individual) to make money from providing them. I agree with some of the other posts that this train probably can not make money and will rely heavily on State tax dollars. The question, I think, then becomes: Do we, the general public, need the train? I certainly do not, nor will I ever, need this train in Lubbock, Texas. With the inexpensive air travel provided between Dallas and Houston, I don't think people in Dallas or Houston need it either. David McGaughey Texas Tech University " 3140,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Mars Observer Update - 04/23/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Mars Observer, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from the Mars Observer Project MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT April 23, 1993 10:00 AM PDT Flight Sequence C8 is active, the Spacecraft subsystems and instrument payload performing well in Array Normal Spin and outer cruise configuration, with uplink and downlink via the High Gain Antenna; uplink at 125 bps, downlink at the 2 K Engineering data rate. As a result of the spacecraft entering Contingency Mode on April 9, all payload instruments were automatically powered off by on-board fault protection software. Gamma Ray Spectrometer Random Access Memory was successfully reloaded on Monday, April 19. To prepare for Magnetometer Calibrations which were rescheduled for execution in Flight Sequence C9 on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week, a reload of Payload Data System Random Access Memory will take place this morning beginning at 10:30 AM. Over this weekend, the Flight Team will send real-time commands to perform Differential One-Way Ranging to obtain additional data for analysis by the Navigation Team. Radio Science Ultra Stable Oscillator testing will take place on Monday . The Flight Sequence C9 uplink will occur on Sunday, April 25, with activation at Midnight, Monday evening April 26. C9 has been modified to include Magnetometer Calibrations which could not be performed in C8 due to Contingency Mode entry on April 9. These Magnetometer instrument calibrations will allow the instrument team to better characterize the spacecraft-generated magnetic field and its effect on their instrument. This information is critical to Martian magnetic field measurements which occur during approach and mapping phases. MAG Cals will require the sequence to command the spacecraft out of Array Normal Spin state and perform slew and roll maneuvers to provide the MAG team data points in varying spacecraft attitudes and orientations. Today, the spacecraft is 22,971,250 km (14,273,673 mi.) from Mars travelling at a velocity of 2.09 kilometers/second (4,677 mph) with respect to Mars. One-way light time is approximately 10 minutes, 38 seconds. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 3141,4,"From: Steed.Bell@macrocosm.omahug.org (Steed Bell) Subject: [ NETWORKING ] How to get 10 Ma Reply-To: steed.bell@macrocosm.omahug.org Organization: The MacRocosm BBS, Lawrence, KS Lines: 10 Peter, I'm sure someone out there has a better/easier way to do what you want to do, but I'll tell you how we do it where I work. We have about 15 Macs networked together using Appletalk and PhoneNet connectors. To chat we use a program called 'Broadcast'. With it we can send brief messages to all or selected machines within the network. Hope that helps... Steed " 3142,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr20.180835.24033@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes: :My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When :the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used :the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was) : :On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if :they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist :read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they :were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT! : :[stuff deleted] This is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently rage. With respect to your OB, I suspect that she has been certified in ultrasound diagnostics, and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its use. Many cardiologists also use ultrasound (echocardiography), and are in fact considered by many to be the 'experts'. I am not sure where OBs stand in this regard, but I suspect that they are at least as good as the radioligists (flame-retardant suit ready). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 3143,5,"From: Wilson Swee Subject: compiling on sun4_411 Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me undefined ld errors: _sin _cos _pow _floor _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass The following libraries that I linked it to are: -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 The makefile is generated off an imake template. Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on a sun4_411? Thanx Wilson " 3144,13,"From: homer@tripos.com (Webster Homer) Subject: Mind Machines? Summary: Do mind machines work? Keywords: mind sleep Light&Sound Organization: Tripos Associates, Inc. Lines: 19 I recently learned about these devices that supposedly induce specific brain wave frequencies in their users simply by wearing them. Mind machines consist of LED gogles, head phones, and a microprocessor that controls them. They strobe the (closed) eye and send sound pulses in sync with the flashing LEDs. I understand that these devices are experimental, but they are available. I've heard claims that they can induce sleep, and light trance states for relaxation. Essentially they are supposed to work without aid of drugs etc... I would think that if they work as reported they would be incredibly useful, The few sources I've seen are biased (they are selling the things, and a friend who has tried them claims that ""every home should have one""). So do these mind machines (aka Light and Sound machines) work? can they induce alpha, theta, and/or delta waves in a person wearing them? What research if any has been done on them? Could they be used in lieu of a tranquilizer? Or are they just another bit of quackery? Web Homer homer@tripos.com " 3145,7,"From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au Subject: Aussie needs info on USA car shows/swap meets Reply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Organization: University of South Australia Lines: 54 Hi from Australia, I am a car enthusiast in Australia. I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the 1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM. I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993. Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6 Denver: Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9 Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21 Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24 Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27 Las Vegas, Nevada: Friday May 28- Sunday May 30 Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1 Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9 Reno: Thursday June 10 San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13 I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period. Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year? Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections, your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated! I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models). I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is: 1968-1970 AMX 1968-1974 Javelin 1969 SCRAMBLER 1970 Rebel Machine and others If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them, tell me, I will be interested. I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if you are interested. Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Thanks, John Tsimbinos " 3146,3,"From: enavarro@nyx.cs.du.edu (Emilio Navarro) Subject: NetBIOS and BIOS Summary: NetBios Keywords: NetBios Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 9 Hello everyone, Could anyone tell me where to find some information about NetBios and Bios interrupt calls. A book or maybe an FTP site. Thank you in advance. Emilio " 3147,15,"From: revc@garg.campbell.ca.us (Bob Van Cleef) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: The Land of Garg Lines: 48 >From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) >Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some >soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually >some Pope *will* straighten all this out. But, on the other hand, >there is also unsoundness in this, in that, in the short term, the >Popes may indeed be wrong, and such Catholics are doing nothing to >help the situation by obeying them where they're wrong. In fact, if >the situation is grave enough, they sin in obeying him. At the very >least, they're wasting a great opportunity, because they are failing >to love Christ in a heroic way at the very time that He needs this >badly. Joe; Your logic excapes me. If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the Pope cannot ""be wrong!"" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the Pope is the legal head of the church. In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice but to obey. Bob -- ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> \|/ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Bob Van Cleef Peace -0- be revc@garg.Campbell.CA.US The Land of Garg BBS unto /|\ you BBS (408) 378-5108 ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> | <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< [You might want to look at the FAQ on infallibility. The doctrine on infallibility does not say that the pope is always right. All Catholic theologians acknowledge that there have been a number of occasions when the pope was wrong. There appear to be two aspects to infallibility. One is a general concept that in the long run the Church is protected from serious error. However this does not mean that it's impossible for it to take wrong turns at one time or another. The more specific concept of papal infallibility is that in very specific circumstances a papal statement can be known to be infallible. However a relatively small fraction of statements meet those criteria. This does not absolve Catholics from the duty to obey even ""ordinary"" teachings of the pope. However only a few teachings are made in a way that is explicitly infallible. --clh] " 3148,3,"From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: Can't get 1280x1024 to work w/2M ATI Ultra Pro Article-I.D.: geraldo.1quf75$qv1 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr19.144814.17736@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: > I am unable to get my Gateway 486DX2/66 to run Windows >in 1280x1024. I ordered a 2M ATI Ultra Pro, and I'm pretty >sure the 2M is really there because I *can* select >1024x768x65536. But no matter what I do with the Flex program >in the ATI's program group, 1280x1024 remains ghosted out. >I have Windows 3.1, build 59 of the drivers, DOS 5.0. The >drivers were installed by Gateway, not by me, so perhaps there's >a file missing from the hard drive. It runs 1024x768 just fine. > I did go into the Desktop window and select 1280x1024. Sometimes >it refuses (ghosted out), other time it accepts it, but when I hit >OK and re-enter Desktop, it's back to 1024x768. At no time does >it unghost 1280x1024 in the main Flex window. Help! Maybe you need to go into \mach32\install and set a refresh rate for 1280x1024. You might need to use custom monitor option. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ " 3149,16,"From: jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) Subject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth, film at 11 Organization: The Zets at the University of Pittsburgh (aka The Pitt) Lines: 17 I have also heard about HCI claiming thant anyone they get an address from is a member. If this is the case their membership rolls are grossly inflated and we should not call them and give them a name and address to add to their already false rolls. Perhaps if you could get a copy of their existing membership, then pretend to be an existing member, do that several thousand times, you could hurt HCI. But names are power. Remeber the NRA uses the fact that it has 3 million paid members in order to flex its muscles. Perhaps politicians don't realize the lying tactics of HCI, wait a minute, HCI learned it from politicians.... Later, Josh " 3150,4,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: A StyleWriter II question Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 10 In article egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes: >I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the >SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each >time I want to print something??? No. Plug the printer in the printer port, and the modem in the modem port. ;) JT " 3151,18,"From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence' Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 36 In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.121723.20568@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: >>When are Libertarians going to draw a clear line between >>themselves and NAMBLA? By your own statements, you were once >>a member of an organization which you *knew* supported >>exactly what NAMBLA supports, namely abolishing the age of >>consent. I've never supported any such organization. YOU >>have. >While both organizations may, on paper, support the abolition of the age >of consent, there the resemblance stops. >One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade >to ""legitimize"" sexual relations with children. What's the difference, in practice? It amounts to your saying, it's disgusting but should be legal, ***or*** someone else saying, let's allow the parties involved to decide what is disgusting. Or, if you're like me, you think that it ISN'T a coercive law, because some children can't make informed consent. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in ones true self. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 3152,1,"From: borst@cs.utwente.nl (Pim Borst) Subject: PBM-PLUS sources, where? Nntp-Posting-Host: utis116.cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 7 Hi everybody, Can anyone name an anonymous ftp-site where I can find the sources of the PBM-PLUS package (portable bit/gray/pixel map). I would like to compile and run it on a Sun Sparcstation. Thanks! " 3153,0,"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 49 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: agar.engin.umich.edu In article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Benedikt Rosenau writes: > >>And what about that revelation thing, Charley? > >If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, >it's obviously a risk one takes. Ah, now here is the core question. Let me suggest a scenario. We will grant that a God exists, and uses revelation to communicate with humans. (Said revelation taking the form (paraphrased from your own words) 'This infinitely powerful deity grabs some poor schmuck, makes him take dictation, and then hides away for a few hundred years'.) Now, there exists a human who has not personally experienced a revelation. This person observes that not only do these revelations seem to contain elements that contradict rather strongly aspects of the observed world (which is all this person has ever seen), but there are many mutually contradictory claims of revelation. Now, based on this, can this person be blamed for concluding, absent a personal revelation of their own, that there is almost certainly nothing to this 'revelation' thing? >I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of >conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of >trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary >experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from >the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the >perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). > >An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is >that the ""better"" descriptive language is not available. Absent this better language, and absent observations in support of the claims of revelation, can one be blamed for doubting the whole thing? Here is what I am driving at: I have thought a long time about this. I have come to the honest conclusion that if there is a deity, it is nothing like the ones proposed by any religion that I am familiar with. Now, if there does happen to be, say, a Christian God, will I be held accountable for such an honest mistake? Sincerely, Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu ""The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!"" - Robert A. Heinlein " 3154,5,"From: drisko@ics.com (Jason Drisko) Subject: Re: app-defaults files Keywords: app-defaults Xdefaults Nntp-Posting-Host: sunburn.ics.com Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc. Lines: 30 Hello, When starting bx if you recieve an error message saying ""cannot load app-defaults file..."" check your XAPPLRESDIR environment variable and then put the file BuilderXcessory ( this is the app-defaults file for BX ) in the directory specified by the XUSERFILESEARCHPATH environment variable. If you don't have an XUSERFILESEARCHPATH environment variable then set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to be the directory where the BuilderXcessory file is. You can do this using the setenv command under csh. Note that the name ends in .ad so you will have to set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to {BX}/%N.ad to get the app-defaults to load correctly. To make sure the the app-defaults file can be read by all the users, make sure that a copy of or a link to the app-defaults file exists in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults or /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults, depending on how your system is set up. Once you have taken care of this set the *systemDirectory resource to be the directory in which you have installed BX. For example let's say I've installed BX in /t then my system directory resource should be set like this : *systemDirectory: /t/builderXcessory Thanks, ICS Tech Support " 3155,16,"From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site X-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 86 I wrote : Nice strawman indeed. The discussion is not about whether there were tanks used in sixties riots; instead, it is about whether those tanks fired their main guns in one of those riots. You claim they did. That claim is ludicrous. Awesley replied: I repeated what I had been told, under what context I had heard it, supporting the claim that tanks were indeed used in Detroit in 67. The issue has never been whether tanks were used in Detroit in 1967. It has been whether they fired their main guns. You did not merely claim that tanks were used--you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress sniper fire and that they were ""quite"" effective at this. You continue to back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is disputing. Awesley went on: I spent a few minutes in a library today -- found their computer was down and they don't have a card catalog. Anyway, it took about 10 minutes to find this in _Nightmare in Detroit, A Rebellion and It's Victims_ by Sauter and Hines, on page 133, telling of the death of Tonia Blanding, age 4. ""When the tank was fired upon by snipers it turned in the direction the shots came from. [...] the fifty-caliber machine gun mounted on the tank belched fire into the buildings. After a short round into the front of the buildings, the tank guns spit again, tearing apart huge holes out of the side of the apartment."" Well, it's not the main gun. ""Well, it's not the main gun."" Gee, that's only the entire point. Are you now going to admit that you were wrong? I wrote: will I see any pictures of tanks firing their main guns? Will I see pictures of buildings damaged by the shells? Will I read the reports of the tank fire? I'll bet you dollar to doughnuts I won't. It will take more than second-hand accounts from a few old National Guard sergeants shooting the shit to convince me that tanks shelled American cities in the Sixties. Awesley replied: Well, if you bothered to read them, it wouldn't take long at all to find reports of tank * fire * -- although not necessarily of the main guns. I will never read of tanks firing their main guns in Detroit in the '67 riots. There is simply no way that such an event could have taken place without it being common knowledge even 26 years later. The American military firing shells from tanks in American cities on blacks would have been *big* news. Awesley goes on: You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers. To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since it makes your other claim seem more plausible. And on: I don't expect to convince you; you'll have to open your mind and eyes and actually do a little research to be convinced one way or the other. Let me know what you find. I already know what you found: nothing. If I claimed that the Marines used F-4s to launch rockets at buildings in Trenton, New Jersey would you believe me? Would you suspend judgment until you had a chance to research it? Or would your bullshit filters kick in? If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about it. Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I prefer to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them. --John L. Scott " 3156,12,"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: Re: EEG Kit? Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 30 In article cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) writes: >Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get >kits to build an EEG. Does anyone remember where you could get >this. I'm very interested in getting some info on this. Thanks >in advance. > >eric > >cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa > Contact Circuit Cellar Inc., 4 Park St. - Suite 12, Vernon, CT 06066 (203)875-2751, FAX (203)872-2204 and inquire about HAL-4 EEG Biofeedback Brainwave Analyzer. In addition, if you want to build your own system from board-level compo- nents (biosignal amplifiers, analog isolators and isolated multiplexers) you can contact The Davron Group,P.O. Box 237, Deerfield, IL 60015 FAX (708)948-9290. - David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University | | Campus Box 1185 | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ " 3157,19,"Subject: Re: ""lds"" Rick's reply From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 159 Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) writes: #Rick Anderson replied to my letter with... # #ra> In article , #ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: #ra> (...) # Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to # differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may # not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith # on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is # truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. It may be ""irrelevant"" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say ""bias""?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You're right, ""the bottom line IS truth,"" independant from you or anyone else. Since you proclaim ""truths"" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what authority you do this? Because ""it says so in the Bible?"" --Does the Bible ""say so,"" or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or ""disapproval""? Excuse moi, but your line of ""truths"" haven't moved me one bit to persuade me that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the ""preachers"" of ""truth"" on this net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking crew, with no positive message to me or other latter-day saints whatsoever. BTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus to the pharisees: ""ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips, but your hearts are far removed from me..."" # Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created # and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon # belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to # have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address # and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the # conclusion that you grant. Sophistry. Look who's talking: ""jumping to conclusions?"" You wouldn't do that yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless whether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points of view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration whatsoever. # # The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus # is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS # belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. A beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation of lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you. Jesus and lucifer are not ""the same,"" silly, and you know it. (...) # The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is # nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible # says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: Correction: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible indeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they ""belong to"" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have rebelled against God, and are not ""children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"" but it doesn't mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to separate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of salvation. # # The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the # kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked ""one""; # (Matthew 13:38) So? --This illustrates nicely what I just said: the children of the kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus (and have shown ""works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the wicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue of satan's spirit-offspring (and those who followed him) has not been addressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your ""right"" with non- related scriptures. (...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...) #ra> > We are told that, ""And this is life eternal, that they might know #ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."" #ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the #ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly #ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of #ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim Correction: ""my"" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be reconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him, I concur, but I honestly couldn't care less. #ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the #ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and #ra> > not the construct of imagination. In this single posting of yours, I've seen more ""constructs of imagination"" than in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news group. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us about ""the only true God,"" whom you interpret according to your own likes and dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about Him myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other faiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different way or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission and progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob or opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited every continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear. # This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but # rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read # something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. Sigh. ""What the Bible teaches""? Or: ""what the bible teaches according to Robert Weiss and co.?"" I respect the former, I reject the latter without the remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by the way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you being a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a Christian (following my own image of Him in my heart). (...) # Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of # Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't # think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the # issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this # subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may # certainly be. The issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis- represent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of ""official doctrine"" is obviously very important. McConkie's views have been controversial (e.g. ""The Seven Deadly Heresies"" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best, or erroneous at worst (""blacks not to receive the priesthood in this dispensation""). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable contribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal interpretations (his book ""Mormon Doctrine"" is oftentimes referred to as ""McConkie's Bible"" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather look to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley's books! (The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of God than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted doctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and speculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most biased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the trash coming from your proverbial pen. I'm somewhat appalled that I have allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting... ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu UCS Computer Facilities " 3158,7,"From: dchamber@b15news.b15.ingr.com (Doug Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Cherokee v. Explorer Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL Lines: 42 jcksnste@ACF1.NYU.EDU writes: >Hi All, > Brand new to the group, so please, no flames! >Honest opinions on Jeep Cherokee Country (not Sport) v. Ford Explorer. >My stepfather, who ponders every major decision up to four months AFTER >making it, is looking at one of the two. Also, please comment on the >importance, if any, between 4WD and 2WD. We live in Princeton, NJ and >will barely ever take it off road. We learned with this last winter that >we could really use something with a little more confidence in 20 inches of >snow than an Olds Cutlass Eighty-Eight!! >All replies appreciated.. he'll be pondering this for a while. He's already >decided on 6 cyl. over 4, so don't worry about that one.. >Thanks! >-->Steve I own a new ford Explorer, I really love it! I drove the Jeep and besides the power I just didn't see spending the money for it! The Jeep was great but I just love the Explorer! I have a 2WD and I got through the blizzard of 93 just fine! I drove about 400 miles in the worst part of storm and it never faulterd! My own Opinion Doug i >(jcksnste@acf1.nyu.edu) " 3159,3,"From: ggeorge@bu.edu (Gerry George) Subject: Partition table disappeared!! Help Article-I.D.: bu.115970 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 My computer won't recognise my disk after a reboot (Windows crash - Grrr!!) Are there any options to restore everything, without losing data? The drive previously had 3 partitions, but I do not remember the exact settings. I have copies of the boot data from the disk (PC-tools rescue disk). I do not want to lose my data - 340MB IDE drive. Do I have any options? -- =========================================================================== Gerry George | Anything good in life is either School of Management, Boston Univ. | illegal, immoral or fattening. Internet: ggeorge@acs.bu.edu | Any item not in the above three Compu$erve: 72607.2560@compuserve.com | categories causes cancer in rats! =========================================================================== " 3160,7,"From: tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) Subject: MR2 - noisy engine. Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: OPCO G'day people, Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. I do an oil change every 2-3 months, and for about 2 months the engine noise sounds relatively quiet during driving and idling. At around the 3 month mark, after an oil change (I've been tracking this very thoroughly for months now) it starts to get that very disgusting noise, not so much during driving, but more so during idling. What's its problem? Also.. I don't know if it's just me, but if noticed a little performance drop. It just hasn't got the acceleration it used to. Any help/tips would be appreciated!! Worried. " 3161,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: The Israeli Press Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes: |> |> Of course you never read Arab media, I don't, though when I was in Israel I did make a point of listening to JTV news, as well as Monte Carlo Radio. In the United States, I generally read the NYT, and occasionally, a mainstream Israeli newpaper. |> I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough) |> and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say |> that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course |> you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either |> a -9 or -10, American leading newspapers and TV news range from -6 |> to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis) |> The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer |> to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British |> range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range |> from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from |> 0 to -5 (Egyptian) to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to |> overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since |> they are doing nothing. What you may not be taking into account is that the JP is no longer representative of the mainstream in Israel. It was purchased a few years ago and in the battle for control, most of the liberal and left-wing reporters walked out. The new owner stated in the past, more than once, that the JP's task should be geared towards explaining and promoting Israel's position, more than attacking the gov't (Likud at the time). The paper that I would recommend reading, being middle stream and factual is ""Ha-Aretz"" - or at least this was the case two years ago. |> the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9, |> while that of the average American would be the same if they do |> not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and |> -8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers. And what about the ""Nat'l Enquirer""? 8^) But seriously, if one were to read some of the leftist newspapers one could arrive at other conclusions. The information you received was highly selective and extrapolating from it is a bad move. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 3162,8,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Tommy Marcus McGuire (mcguire@cs.utexas.edu) wrote: : You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it : was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop. : Sigh. Another naive illusion down the toilet.... Since most legislators are lawyers it is very difficult to get any law passed that would cut down on lawyers' business. That is why ""No-fault"" insurance laws always backfire. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * * Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * ******************************************************************************* " 3163,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Public Schedule of the President 4.5.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 PUBLIC SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT TUESDAY, APRIL 6, 1993 11:15 AM EST PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS with Egyptian President Mubarek, the East Room, The White House Open Press FUTURE SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT APRIL 16, 1993 PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Japanese Prime Minister Miyazawa, the White House APRIL 26, 1993 PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Italian President Amato, the White House " 3164,11,"From: ray@ole.cdac.com (Ray Berry) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 32 rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.050451.7866@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU >(Tim Cuffel) writes: >This suggests a new PC security product design approach - first fill the hard >drive with 50% random files and 50% files encrypted under a number of known >keys. Then whenever a new secret file is created, you delete a random file and >replace it with real encrypted data. New non-secret files are encrypted under >a known key. Better yet, instead of thrashing around on the DOS file system, take it a step further. Write yourself a minimal ""file system"" program that is used to create/delete files, en/decrypt them to ramdisk, list a directory. Put the util, password protected, on a floppy. The catch is that the storage space used by this util is NOT part of the DOS file system. Instead, defrag your disk, thus packing all allocated clusters into clusters 0-n. Then use the back end of the partition to hold your 'stealth' file system. Or, leave a small 2nd partition on the disk that is not assigned to DOS. Another approach might be to use a directory that contains a set of invariant files (DOS system files, for instance). Due to DOS allocating a minimum storage unit of a ""cluster"" there is unused physical space on the disk between the tail end of each file and the end of its associated cluster. These dead spaces could be concatenated and used to hold your stealth file system. Now you have a situation where no encrypted data ""appears"" on your disk at all :-). -- Ray Berry kb7ht ray@ole.cdac.com rjberry@eskimo.com 73407.3152@compuserve.com " 3165,3,"From: eyal@fir.canberra.edu.au (Eyal Lebedinsky) Subject: Re: int15h for joysticks is slow.... Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA Lines: 89 In <1ql6i3INN8uh@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes: >I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something >like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this >is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead(). If you only do read/print then there is no reason for the joystick stuff not to take 90% of the time even if it is efficient. >The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and >so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in >a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or >clockspeed specific? The truth is that int 15H joystick reading IS slow. I read it directly from the hardware port. Note that doing so exposes you to intermittent disturbance from interrupts, so you may want to read (say) twice in a row and keep the lower results. Don't just turn interrupts off, it may prove detrimental to the health of any high speed comms and other devices. Here is an example of how to do this: /* ------------------------------ joy.c ------------------------------------- */ /* An example of how to read PC joystick port by polling the hardware port * directly. * Uses inp()/outp() for byte port access. * Will timeout when 'int count=0' counts up to zero. * This sample reads one port (A is presented and B is in the comments). * You can read both at once by merging the two, but it will time out * when either joystick is not connected. * * There is no need to optimize this routine since it runs for as long as * the joystick circuitry needs. * * Written by Eyal Lebedinsky (eyal@ise.canberra.edu.au). */ #include #include #include extern int readjoy (int *x, int *y, int *b1, int *b2); #define JOYPORT 0x201 #define XJOY 0x01 /* for joystick B use 0x04 */ #define YJOY 0x02 /* for joystick B use 0x08 */ #define XYMASK (XJOY|YJOY) #define BUT1 0x10 /* for joystick B use 0x40 */ #define BUT2 0x20 /* for joystick B use 0x80 */ int /* returns 0 if ok */ readjoy (int *x, int *y, int *b1, int *b2) { register int count; register char temp, joy; temp = (char)XYMASK; count = 0; outp (JOYPORT, 0); /* set trigger */ do { temp ^= (joy = (char)inp (JOYPORT)); if (temp & XJOY) *x = count; if (temp & YJOY) *y = count; } while (++count && ((temp = joy) & XYMASK)); *b1 = !(joy & BUT1); *b2 = !(joy & BUT2); return (!count); } /* This main() is for demonstration. */ int main () { int rc, x, y, b1, b2; printf (""Hit any key to exit\n""); while (!kbhit ()) { rc = readjoy (&x, &y, &b1, &b2); printf (""\r%d %3d %3d %d %d"", rc, x, y, b1, b2); } } " 3166,2,"From: charles@trintex.uucp (Charles Emmons) Subject: Version control for MAC and PC LAN Organization: Prodigy Services Co. Lines: 28 We have a LAN where we are doing development on product for multiple platforms. For the moment we are only working on MAC and DOS/Windows. The department has always used sneaker net to transport files to the MAC, since it requires a filter to strip out the characters. Until recently no one concidered using any version control to mediate, and as a result, the 5 programmers spent a great deal of time merging files together at the end of each week so that a new system could be build. We are now trying to streamline this process, but are hampered by the lack of software that will allow us to share files across PC and MAC platforms. I understand that PVCS used to do this, but that they no longer support the MAC product (anyone know why ?? Polytron ?). I have seen people ask about development in multiple platforms, so I assume that ours is not a new problem. Who has had to deal with it ? What solutions have you come up with? thanks in advance for any and all suggestions via posting or EMAIL. If there are enough EMAIL responses then I will post a synopsis of the knowledge. -Charles Emmons -- Charles Emmons | charles@trintex.uucp | These opinions are Prodigy Services Co. | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856 | you would like to PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A | FAX 914-993-8659 | share them. " 3167,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr25.182253.1449@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > I have just started reading the articles in this news >group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet >other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said >that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his >server who keeps a file on him in hope that ""Appropriate action >might be taken"". > I don't know where you guys are from but in America >such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are >not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind >regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic >repressive ideals back to where you came from. It would be nice if, as you rightly point out the inherent value of freedom of speech, discussion would also deal with the all-to- frequent ritualized abuses and distortions of that freedom that do occur. There are situations where a few extremely vocal, and usually radical, people **do** drive people away, effectively stifle all other (""opposing"") views and generally ""take over"". *Clearly*, the purpose behind such actions is *to deprive* others of *their* freedom of speech through overt and covert coercion and domination of the ""media form"" in question. While ""freedom"" of speech is to be valued, this is not. How would you suggest that this sort of reoccuring problem be alleviated? More particularly, how can this be controlled within the structure of these newsgroups? -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 3168,4,"Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Subject: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL Lines: 11 The trackbal on my PB140 no longer moves in the horizontal direction. When I called the nearest Authorized Apple Service person I was told that it probably needed replacing and that would cost me over $150! Ouch! Can anyone recommend a less expensive way to fix this problem? One strange symptom of the problem is that when I take the ball out of the socket and shine a light into the hole I can make the cursor move horizontally by moving the wheel with my finger, it works fine that way but won't work if I turn off the light. Any suggestions or comments? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Roy .......just a poor college student.......internet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3169,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: As Armenians celebrating the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people,... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 65 In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes: >or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see >it happen again... Is this the joke of the month? 1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. 2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during WWII. 3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children and elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last four years. The entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. During the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the unity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish and Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle for that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds. Today, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United States and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative Events, be they cultural, political or religious. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3170,11,"From: reeds@alice.att.com (Jim Reeds) Subject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4) Summary: Pop patent law Article-I.D.: alice.25313 Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ Lines: 13 In article , matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) writes: and > bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote: and > > ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes: about Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola and what they can teach us. Surely, if we must use pop patent law examples to discuss RC2 and RC4, it would make more sense to consider the case of RC Cola? Jim Reeds " 3171,15,"From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 17 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the >last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods >anyway? I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it. It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows when the second coming will take place. Nor does it say that if you *do* find out when it will happen you should rape everything in sight just before. " 3172,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Entire Muslim population was subjected to genocide by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 76 In article <48090@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes: > Azeri President Abulfaz Elchibey said Azerbaijan had recovered >the bodies of some 500 ""terrorists including blacks, Mongols and >fighters recently brought to (the Armenian capital) Yerevan from Lebanon."" You can dream whatever you wish. We have demands from the Armenians. With the Government of x-Soviet Armenia, we would sit down, go over all our outstanding issues, whether it's land or reparations or recognition, whatever it is. We'd like to sit down and ask for it. By all means, lands and properties were taken away from us and they should be returned to the rightful owners, the Turkish and Kurdish people, who were there 3,000 years, long before the Armenians ever showed up in that area. Entire population of the region was subjected to genocide beyond belief; genocide which was planned to exterminate the whole Turkish people of the region to the last man, woman and child. Armenians tortured and massacred millions of defenseless civilians. To assemble innocent civilians in the mosques and burn them in the buildings was one of their methods. Even today the traveler in that region is seldom free from the evidence of these Armenian crimes. If you have the stomach, I would strongly recommend the following references on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims. Many more of them are also available in the 'Erzurum and Van Turkish Genocide Museums.' 1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. 2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. But more than that. A Final Goodbye in Azerbaijan: [Photo by Associated Press]: ""At a cemetery in Agdam, Azerbaijan, family members and friends grieved during the burial of victims killed in the fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh. Chingiz Iskandarov, right, hugged the coffin containing the remains of his brother, one of the victims. A copy of Koran lay atop the coffin."" The New York Times, 3/6/92 Final Embrace : [Photo by Associated Press]: ""Chingiz Iskenderov, right, weeps over coffin holding the remains of his brother as other relatives grieve at an Azarbaijani cemetery yesterday amid burial of victims killed in fighting in Nagorno-Karabagh."" The Washington Post, 3/6/92 Nagorno-Karabagh Victims Buried in Azerbaijani Town : ""Refugees Claim Hundreds died in Armenian Attack...Of seven bodies seen here today, two were children and three were women, one shot through the chest at what appeared to be close range. Another 120 refugees being treated at Agdam's hospital include many with multiple stab wounds."" Thomas Goltz The Washington Post, 2/28/92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3173,4,"From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) Subject: Re: SetWUTime Works on a PB 230 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 12 I have tested this on a 230 and it does work there. So it would seem that the 140 and 170 are out though. One way to tell is to go and open the PowerBook control panel(7.1). There is a setting there that allows you to set the time to wake up the Mac. If it is present when you open the control panel, then you can assume that SetWUTime will work. -- Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be. " 3174,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Translations Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 25 In article ab4z@virginia.edu (Andi Beyer) writes: >Which Version of the Bible do you consider to be the most >accurate translation? Well, knowing Greek and Hebrew, I'm probably not as picky about translations as I would be if English translations were my only source of information. BUT... (1) Any verse that comes out substantially different in different trans- lations is almost certainly unclear in the original. (2) It is very bad practice to ""shop"" for a translation that fits your own doctrinal positions. Personally, I still like the RSV. NRSV and NASV are also very good. I have a strong preference for editions that do _not_ indent the beginning of each verse as if verses were paragraphs. The verse numbering is a relatively modern addition and should not be given undue prominence. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 3175,18,"From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA Distribution: ca Lines: 13 In article <1qjtmjINNq45@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: > I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA > WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. Why is this surprising? Then the _Times_ can get a few more Pulitzers the same way they did last year. -- Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com) ""I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."" -- Hobbes to Calvin USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637 PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax) " 3176,7,"From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes: >Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right >along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that >are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than >a Beretta. My GS came with XGT V4s and they are NOT all weather tires. I took out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow (not ice), before I learned this fact. I immediately bought XGT H4s which are definately all-weather. A Carrera 4 I walk by everyday has XGT V4s on it even. The Michelin dealer where I bought my new tires said the V4s were made out of a different rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing. Said he'd only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in Texas and not Colorado. Thanks, Eric -- -- O An inactive lifestyle Eric J. Lorenzo --- , nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: |> Okay here is what I have so far: |> |> Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon, |> set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does |> that mean no resupply or ?? |> |> Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. My first thought is Ross Perot. After further consideration, I think he'd be more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third. Try Bill Gates. Try Sam Walton's kids. Matt matthew_feulner@qmlink.draper.com " 3178,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Center for Anti-Israel Propaganda Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu the 'Center for Policy Research' writes... > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS > >Hadashot, 14 March 1993: > >The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday, >March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with >gun permits to carry them at all times ""so as to contribute to >their security and that of their surroundings"". Considering all the murders of innocent Israelis at the hands of Arab death merchants, I see nothing wrong with the advice. >Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993: > >Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee, >stated that he intends to demand that the police department make >it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills >[non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial. As usual, the bias of the 'Center for Policy Research' echoes through this newsgroup. Here we have an enraged Likudnik who is venting his spleen, and you portray it as if this is going to become policy. You don't say what the response to Matza's suggestion was. Do do not mention whether he was refering to terrorists caught in the act, which could be a clear cut case of self-defence. Would you care to elaborate on this, or was this all you wanted to say on the matter. Why don't you give up this 'Center for Policy Research' crap, and just post your biases without trying to legitimize them with a pompous name? >Ha'aretz, 16 March1993: > >Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern >Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza >strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security >measures in the Strip. > >The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents >as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the >presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects. > >In addition to the gates, which will be operated by a private >civilian company, large quantities of magnetic-card reading >devices are being brought to the inspection points, to facilitate >the reading of the magnetic cards these [non-Jewish] workers must >carry. A laudable precaution. Every single thing you post about Israel is posted to portray Israel as negatively as you can. Deliberate omissions are an integral part of the shtick. And it's not only the incidents that you do not mention, but even the stories you do post are fraught with omissions, which change the entire meaning. The absurdity of your respectable name cannot hide your bias. In your effort to portray Israel in an unfavorable light, you have accomplished nothing, except to prove that a respectable sounding label like the Center for Policy Research is nothing but a smoke screen for someone with a heavily biased attitude against Israel and the need to vent it. This 'Center for Policy Research' stuff is nonsense. " 3179,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Billboard/Station/Space Dock? Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Seems that the Mile-Long Billboard and any other inflateble space object/station or what ever have the same problems. (other than being a little bit different than the ""normal"" space ideas, such as trusses and shuttles) But also dag and such.. Why not combine the discussion of how and fesibility to the same topic? I personnelly liek the idea of a billboard in space. But problem. How do you service it? fly a shuttle/DC-1 to near it and then dismount and ""fly"" to it? Or what?? or havign a special docking section for shuttle/DC-1 docking? Also what if the billboard springs a leak? Self sealing and such?? Just thinking (okay rambling).. Also why must the now inflated billboard, not be covered in the inside by a harder substance (such as a polymer or other agent) and then the now ""hard"" billboard would be a now giant docking structure/space dock/station?? Or am I missing something here.. (probably am!?) == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 3180,11,"From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City) Lines: 29 In <1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: (quoting someone else here) >>The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid >>reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there >>are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad. >It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were >published, one could then build physically identical clone versions >of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But >the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn. Yeah! The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar government equivalent to military) has been let for this ""proprietary"" design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified. If the algorithm were made public, or reverse-engineered, it would compromise not only the goal of Justice of being able to read every chip users cypto-data but would reduce profits for the selected chip maker. Wouldn't that just be too bad? -- *********************************************************************** * Danny O'Bedlam = dfl@panix.com = cmcl2!panix!dfl = Danny Lieberman * * PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) * *********************************************************************** " 3181,17,"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 33 In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes: [DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE [DG] by Theodore J. O'Keefe [DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson [DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, [DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of [DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet [DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all [DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a [DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false [DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American [DG] members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of [DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda [DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, [DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America. [JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first [JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash. Jake, I'm really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph to see that it was ""bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash"". :-) The article title ""THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE"" should have been enough! :-) Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. " 3182,3,"From: car@public.btr.com (Carlos Rimola-Sarti car@btr.com) Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? Organization: BTR UNIX BBS and Email hub. For info about BTR contact support@btr.com Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: public.btr.com Keywords: sound board CD-ROM toshiba In article <1993Apr16.033258.27998@serval.net.wsu.edu> msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) writes: Once in a while you have to put in a good word for something that works well. I have had no problems with my Toshiba 3401. It works very well with DOS and OS/2. For OS/2, you don't need to load any special drivers. The installation will detect that it is a Toshiba drive and you are done. BTW, it's also very fast! +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Carlos Rimola-Sarti | email: rimola@csisdn.com | | Connective Strategies, Inc. | car@btr.com | | ISDN PRI Connectivity | phone: 415-903-2585 | +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ " 3183,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500354:000:5791 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:10:00 1993 Lines: 126 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? ------------------------------------ While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and attempt to starve the Gazans. The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the strip and seek work in Israel. While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to rise up against its tormentors. As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for the Master Race. The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over Gaza through Arab collaborators. As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish society does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution up their sleeve ? I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. Elias Davidsson Iceland From elias@ismennt.is Fri Apr 23 02:30:21 1993 Received: from isgate.is by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 ) id AA00761; Fri, 23 Apr 93 02:30:13 PDT Received: from rvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (5.65c8/ISnet/14-10-91); Fri, 23 Apr 1993 09:29:41 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is (16.8/ISnet/11-02-92); Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:30:23 GMT From: elias@ismennt.is (Elias Davidsson) Message-Id: <9304230930.AA11852@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: cpr@igc.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 9:30:22 GMT X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? ------------------------------------ While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and attempt to starve the Gazans. The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the strip and seek work in Israel. While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to rise up against its tormentors. As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for the Master Race. The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over Gaza through Arab collaborators. As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish society does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution up their sleeve ? I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. Elias Davidsson Iceland " 3184,14,"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com <1993Apr20.001428.724@indyvax.iupui.edu> Lines: 14 In <1993Apr20.001428.724@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: >Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward? What companies would >have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat? Just where in the >budget would the reward come from? Should there be a time limit? Would a >straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . . >exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea. A cash award is OK. A time limit would be nice. You can't give away mining rights (assuming there's anything to mine) because you don't own them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private) " 3185,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 37 Robbie Po writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: >>> >>>I mean that the original poster was looking for a Devils victory >>>on the tape delay, and it didn't happen in game 1. >> >>I was the original poster, and it was just a complaint about the >>coverage (meaningless Yankee game before playoff Devils game). > >Oh! I apologize then...I misinterpreted you! No problem, no offence taken ... >Of all the teams in the Patrick, I least dislike the Devils. It is sad, just as a lover of the sport, that this team can be in the metro New York area for over a decade and still exist as just a non-entity ... >How is ESPN's coverage anyways??? I think it starts tonight. We're getting the Sabres-Bruins as the replacement game (and probably so are you) while the Devils-Penguins game is played on SCNY and the Islanders-Caps are the overflow game on the SCA (SCNY Plus). If the Sabres-Bruins ends early then we'll go to the Devils-Penguins game (assuming that ESPN follows their previous patterns; we got the last minute of the Islanders-Rangers and all of the overtime two weeks ago). ESPN's coverage started last night, by accident, but as one or more other writers have pointed out, they could've gone to wild hog wrestling for the evening instead ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 3186,15,"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Satan and MTV Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 25 Somewhere, someone told me that Satan was the angel in charge of music in heaven, and on top of that, he was the most beautiful of the angels. Isn't it funny that these days how MTV has become the ""bible"" of music and beauty these days. MTV controls what bands are popular, no matter how bad they are. In fact, it is better to be politically correct - like U2, Madonna - than to have any musical talent. Then of course, you have this television station that tells us all how to dress. Think about it, who started the retro-fashion craze?? MTV and Madonna. Gag. Anyway, just food for thought. It is really my own wierd theory. If Revelation was to come true today, I think MTV would the ""ever changing waters"" (music and fashion world) that the beast would arise from, and Madonna will be the whore of Babylon, riding the beast and drinking the blood of the martyrs. Hmmmm....great idea for a book/movie..... -- Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because we have ideas. We have a philosophy. Geoff Tate -- Queensryche " 3187,6,"From: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey Distribution: usa Lines: 35 Andy Freeman writes: >Joe Doll writes: )>> ""The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien- )>> tists"" lists hardware cards and application software packages for )>> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien- )>> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, )>> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. )>> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) )>> mailing address. >> >> I am very interested in your catalog, but E-mail to you bounces. > >Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a >mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication. I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this. It does have tons of qool stuff in it. My impression is that they try not to send it out to ""browsers"". It appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to waste a catalog on you. When you get a catalog there's a ""VIP Code"" you have to give them ""to ensure your continued subscription."". Anyway, if you want to get in touch with them, the company is Personal Computing Tools 550 Division Street Campbell, CA 95008 (408) 378-8400 (They also have fax #'s and toll free #'s for ordering and tech support) Please note that I am not associated with them in any way. In fact, I have never ordered from them so I can't comment on their products or service but the catalog is real and I am sitting here salivating over it. " 3188,1,"From: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) Subject: irit to pov ? Keywords: raytracer, format conversion Reply-To: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) Organization: Technische Hochschule Ilmenau Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: merkur.prakinf.tu-ilmenau.de Has anybody made a converter from irit's .irt or .dat format to .pov format ? Thanks! -- Sebastian Schmidt TU Ilmenau Institut f. praktische Informatik " 3189,8,"From: M. Burnham Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:39:59 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.57.72.65 Organization: Novell Inc. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 Lines: 16 In article Robert Mugele, rmugele@oracle.com writes: >Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun >and blow you away. Well, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would be lower than some other vehicles. At least, I would be more likely to say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup truck, for example. - Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966 DoD#0747 Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 3190,12,"From: kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) Subject: infra red position encoders Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory Distribution: na Lines: 16 I am looking for information on infra red based position encoders. The idea would be to bounce the infrared source off a wall and the device would read out the distance. preferable it would be rs-232 addressable. Any leads? -- Chris Kushmerick kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov --I found my niche in life, I just didn't fit in. " 3191,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: > In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > >>Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited >>technology base... and on government contracts. Just doing it privately, >>rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several. > > So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the > U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? > > > > Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? > -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- Why must it be a US Government Space Launch Pad? Directly I mean.. I know of a few that could launch a small package into space. Not including Ariadne, and the Russian Sites.. I know ""Poker Flats"" here in Alaska, thou used to be only sounding rockets for Auroral Borealous(sp and other northern atmospheric items, is at last I heard being upgraded to be able to put sattelites into orbit. Why must people in the US be fixed on using NASAs direct resources (Poker Flats is runin part by NASA, but also by the Univesity of Alaska, and the Geophysical Institute). Sounds like typical US cultural centralism and protectionism.. And people wonder why we have the multi-trillion dollar deficite(sp). Yes, I am working on a spell checker.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 3192,12,From: v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) Subject: Radio Electronics Free information card Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu How does the radio Electronics free information cards work. Do they just send you some general information about the companies that advertise in their magazine or does it also give you sign you up for a catalog. Neil Gandler 3193,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 31 In article dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes: >Ahem. See the War on Drugs, as sponsored by the Bush and Reagan >administrations. The precedent had well been set for federal agencies to >step on more than a few of what people consider ""rights."" I won't make >excuses for anyone, but most of the damage had been done before Clinton >even entered the race in '92. Not to mention last year's Weaver affair. Anyway, here's how I see the Waco affair; I'd be interested in other peoples' interpretations... 1. Koresh and his people were basically minding their own business. 2. Some weapons violations may have been committed and I wouldn't have disapproved of prosecuting him for those violations. However, I think the BATF was criminal for starting negotiations with a military style assault and for firing into a house where there were children and other noncombatants. 3. I don't see they couldn't just leave a token guard on the place and wait the BDs out; I don't approve of the tear gas approach and, if it caused the fire to be started, I think the FBI agent responsible should spend 10-20 years in jail. 4. However, if Koresh's response to the tear gas was to kill everyone there, I hold him largely responsible for their deaths. don " 3194,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Indiana University Lines: 13 I've just read Carol's response and I just had to get into this. I've got some verses which are not subject to interpretation because they say what they say. They are 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, and Galatians 1:11-12. Also, based on the fact that Jesus is the Word incarnate and he judges people if they follow him (see Acts 17:29-31 and John 5:21-27) and that those who reject Jesus' teachings are judged by the very words he spoke (see John 12:47-50), then Jesus' words are true and do not need interpretation, nor would it be just of God to judge based on his word if it had to be interpreted. Joe Fisher " 3195,13,"From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) Subject: Bouncing LymeNet newsletters... Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 The following 4 addresses are on the LymeNet mailing list, but are rejecting mail. Since the list server originally accepted these addresses successfully, I assume these addresses have since been eliminated. Improperly functioning mail gateways might also be responsible. If you are listed here and would still like to remain on the list, please write to me. Otherwise, I will remove these addresses from the list before the next newsletter goes out. As a general rule, please remember to *unsubscribe* from all your mailing lists before your account is closed. This will save the listserv maintainer from many headaches. Lezliel@Sitka.Sun.COM Kenneth_R_Hall@Roch817.Xerox.COM Westmx!ayoub@uunet.uu.net Absol.absol.com!rsb@panix.COM -- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc C. Gabriel - U.C. Box 545 - (215) 882-0138 Lehigh University " 3196,6,"Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center From: Subject: Hummel Collectors (1 left) Lines: 13 ""Chimney Sweep"" number 12/I (5-1/2 to 6-1/2""), closed edition, 3 or 4 line (Purchased in West Germany in 1970) (Retail $270) Sell $120 (S&H extra) I have a picture of it if you want to see first; in excellent shape, no chips or cracks). Great idea for Mother's Day. This is a great buy. Interested? Please E-mail or call (415) 926-2664 wk or (408) 248-0411 eves. BRose " 3197,12,"From: psgwe01@sdc.boeing.com (Gerald Edgar) Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report Keywords: 3rd grade science report Distribution: usa Organization: Boeing Computer Services (ESP), Seattle, WA Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: crystal In making batteries you could use copper and zinc in an acid electrolyte. Copper=copper wire (pennies are now mostly zinc if I recall correctly) zinc= zinc strip (Hardware stores arround here (Seattle) sell this to prevent moss buildup on the roof. An alternative would be to use a galvanized (zinc coated) nail electrolyte= lemon juice -> Citric acid is the active ingrediant(sp). Volta (late 18th century scientist) used a stack for his batteries- copper disk, paper disk soaked in acid, zinc disk, copper disk, paper .... they were advanced technology for the time. Gerald Edgar gwe3409@atc.boeing.com ""The opinions expressed in this communication may not reflect those of my employer"" " 3198,14,"From: palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? >Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are >quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? >Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? Gamma Ray Bursts (GRBs) are seen coming equally from all directions. However, given the number of bright ones, there are too few faint ones to be consistent with being equally dense for as far as we can see--it is as if they are all contained within a finite sphere (or a sphere with fuzzy edges) with us at the center. (These measurements are statistical, and you can always hide a sufficiently small number of a different type of GRB with a different origin in the data. I am assuming that there is only one population of GRBs). The data indicates that we are less than 10% of the radius of the center of the distribution. The only things the Earth is at the exact center of are the Solar system (at the scale of the Oort cloud of comets way beyond Pluto) and the Universe. Cosmological theories, placing GRBs throughout the Universe, require supernova-type energies to be released over a timescale of milliseconds. Oort cloud models tend to be silly, even by the standards of astrophysics. If GRBs were Galactic (i.e. distributed through the Milky Way Galaxy) you would expect them to be either concentrated in the plane of the Galaxy (for a 'disk' population), or towards the Galactic center (for a spherical 'halo' population). We don't see this, so if they are Galactic, they must be in a halo at least 250,000 light years in radius, and we would probably start to see GRBs from the Andromeda Galaxy (assuming that it has a similar halo.) For comparison, the Earth is 25,000 light-years from the center of the Galaxy. >my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering >hyperspace :-) The aren't concentrated in the known spacelanes, and we don't see many coming from Zeta Reticuli and Tau Ceti. >but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they >are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered >if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in. There are more than 130 GRB different models in the refereed literature. Right now, the theorists have a sort of unofficial moratorium on new models until new observational evidence comes in. -- David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov " 3199,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 122 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , Thomas Parsli writes: > If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from > the police and to be a member of a gun-club. > The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or > records of SERIOUS mental diseases. > Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun > -club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun. So, like, what do you do during those six months to be ""active?"" My town has a similar requirement, and it's rather stupid. Before you can buy a handgun, you have to be an active member of a gun club. Well, how active can you be without a gun, chief? Most gun owners feel a check of criminal records for crimes and mental disorders would be a very good thing -- IF it couldn't be abused by the government. But every time this is proposed, there is always some trapdoor by which the government can deny your purchase EVEN IF you are perfectly qualified to own a gun. And we oppose this. > It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? > You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... Since the fatal accident rate for licensed automobile drivers in the US is around 50 times the fatal accident rate of largely unlicensed gun owners, I'd think twice before using this analogy. Besides, the problem is criminal use of guns, not accidents. (There are about 500,000 criminal uses of guns in the US every year -- but only 1,400 accidents.) I don't think it's necessary to spend a lot of energy making sure a criminal CAN shoot a gun before he gets one. Just like the check, most gun owners feel positively about requiring safety courses -- IF they couldn't be abused by the government. But they already have! One state doesn't hold the courses, another doesn't fund them, a third holds them only once a year with limited attendence to those with political connections. Is this fair? > Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short > time befor the crime. And how many of them acquire these guns from legal retail outlets? How many are borrowed, stolen, smuggled, bought on the black market? > Use of knives: > It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. > You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open > in public -rigth ?? Some states allow ONLY open carry. Some allow ONLY concealed carry. Some allow both. Some allow both, but require licenses for concealed carry. All you can say is if one of these modes has a clear advantage over another in terms of reducing crime or any other public good, then state legislators SOMEPLACE are doing exactly the wrong thing. Which means that they really don't have any objective reasons for these laws other than their preferences -- a bad way to govern. > Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive': > We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide > to take action we DO. (""Hot-livered."" I LOVE that expression. Here, we say ""hot-headed."") > Individual vs masses: > Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some > extent.... > Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? > What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of > all the others ?? Typically, the only criminals who can affect the rights of ALL the other people are criminals in government offices. The rest of our criminals affect the rights of only one or a few people at a time, and they do this during the commission of a crime. POSSESSION of a gun by someone hurts NO ONE else. It is when they do something violent with that gun that the crime occurs. Of course, it is a crime for a felon or ex-felon to possess a gun, but we don't feel it is right to treat common citizens who have lived good lives as if they were just ""pre-felons"" waiting to commit crimes. > We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one.... I don't understand this sentence. > IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. > But should it have to be like that ?? Life isn't fair. I shouldn't need a fire extinguisher either, or flood and theft insurance, or to lock the doors of my house and car. But pining for a better world won't do anything to address what I have to do to live in this one. > Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? None of ours, I'm sure. > If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think > it should be free to buy guns ?? Frankly, I'm not sure I know what good a driver's license does anyone, either. The people who drive safely never use it, and the people who drive drunk, drive without it! However, a car is a good tool, but not one that protects my right to life. I rank the right to life somewhere north of the right to travel freely. > I'm not a pacifist or anti gun. > I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as > neccities or toys. > I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't > want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'.... The question is not whether or not you want to own guns personally. It's whether or not you think that ALL people should be forced to do as you do. I don't have any problem with someone who says they would never own a gun. I do have a problem with someone who says I should be prevented from owning one, too. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 3200,9,"From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: blue.7975 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 115 mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: > >We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact >in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our decisions on. I might as well say ""We know that very, very few people are more than 7 feet tall, so chances are that Manute Bol is really only 6 foot 4."" >No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very >ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22 >(having not played at AAA level) that it is probably not a good idea >to rush him into the Braves lineup in 1993. Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to use. >>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring >>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full >>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove >>his worth? > >Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good >as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather >than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM... The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him down ""until he gets warmed up"". >OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 Most players are *never* ready for the bigs. What does this have to do with Javy Lopez? >Most players >benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA. See above. >Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their >clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the >Braves for this year. But I could apply the same reasoning to Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds. Most players aren't that good, so they probably won't be that good this year either. >Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid >abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out >runners. And demonstrated inabilities to hit their way out of a soap bubble. >Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans. Not superstars, not stars, not even good players. Maybe average, if we're being charitable. >The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the >outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate >at third and one of the better hitting shortstops. Ummm. Justice is a very fine hitter. Pendleton might have another big year in his bat, but he might also spend the season in Hamstring Hell. Gant is a big question mark. The Bream/Hunter platoon is decent (not excellent) and has rotten OBP or SLG (depending on who's in). Blauser is a very valuable bat... for a shortstop. >The center >field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez' >bat *might* be (given the above) it won't be so much better than >what they have to offset the differential in experience and >defensive ability. Wanna bet? The difference between Lopez's bat and Olson/Berryhill could be 20 or 30 runs over the course of the season. Given a choice between a player with experience and a player who can play, I'll take the latter every time. >The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, Just like Keith Mitchell did? >I am just so surprised I have to spell all of this out. My >goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez >is being held down because of his future earning potential? That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience, or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more flattering to the organization. >Are they idiots who have built this ballclub? [Well-argued but inflammatory reply deleted.] -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands " 3201,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 21 In article mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >Diplomacy has not worked with Israel Of course, it hasn't. Besides Egypt, the rest of the Arab world still officially denies that Israel exists. >and the >Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the >only option they see as viable. Kick out Syria? >(Don't forget that it worked in driving out the US) American-Occupied Lebanon? That's a new one on me! -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 3202,3,"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Re: ZEOS VESA Video Changes & Specs Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr06.154348.17163@zeos.com> root@zeos.com (Superuser) writes: > > NCR Stealth 24 VLB Viper VLB >64Ox480 Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M * [stuff deleted] >Video RAM 1M 1M 1M >Max RAM addressable > by Vid Processor 3M 2M 2M ^^ Just a note, even though the 805 can address 2 megs of dram, the Stealth 24 VLB can only handle 1 meg, unless Diamond has a newer design (or some special deal with Zeos). +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii *Using a friend's account while waiting for my new grad. account* + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + " 3203,13,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 12 I'm told that corn allergy is fairly common. My wife has it and it seems to be exacerbated if sugar is eaten with the corn. I suppose that in a person just on the verge of having epilepsy, an allergic reaction might cause a seizure, but I don't really know. Gordon? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 3204,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group Organization: Indiana University Lines: 5 Then by that definition, I would be in a cell church only here at IU, not when the whole group gets together at Indianapolis (>950 every week in attendance). Joe Fisher " 3205,5,"From: r0506048@cml3 (Chun-Hung Lin) Subject: Re: xman source Nntp-Posting-Host: cml3.csie.ntu.edu.tw Reply-To: r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw Organization: Communication & Multimedia Lab, NTU, Taiwan X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 15 jlong@b4pps40.Berkeley.EDU (John Long) writes: : Where can I get xman source? I would like to get the binaries for : xman for an HP 9000/700, but I would settle for source. : : -- Try xport.lcs.mit.edu, in direcotry /contrib. -- -------------------------------- ================================================================= Chun-Hung Lin ( ªL«T§» ) r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw Communication & Multimedia Lab. Dept. of Comp. Sci. & Info. Eng. National Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C. ================================================================= " 3206,8,"From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Bcc: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk Status: OR In article nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: >The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to >the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was >driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I >calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the >window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). > >Did I do the right thing? Well, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks, or to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic. Now I just try to get them off my tail. In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors. In traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass, I might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name, (still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail. If this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps (for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get my adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks. A ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for me) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger. In the worst case, yelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a cage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike. On the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk waiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing illegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police). Like almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary. -- Denis McKeon galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu " 3207,16,"From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) Subject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth, film at 11 Organization: The Cat Factory & Mushroom Farm Lines: 20 In article <199304160443.AA25231@sun.Panix.Com> justice@Panix.Com (Michael Justice) writes: }Dillon has published a letter in the Blue Press telling people }""How to Bankrupt HCI"" by requesting information from them. } }Last time this idea went around in rec.guns, a couple of people }said that HCI counts all information requestors as ""members"". } }Can anyone confirm or deny this? } }If true, what's the impact of HCI getting a few thousand new }members? Last I heard, HCI had something like 250K members to the NRA's 3 million. If true, and they want to play duelling mandates, well ... The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com) Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp Laws define crime. 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (310) 450-9111, x2483 Police enforce laws. Santa Monica, CA 90405 Citizens prevent crime. " 3208,14,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Washington Post Article on SSF Redesign News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 52 ""Space Station Redesign Leader Says Cost Goal May Be Impossible"" Today (4/6) the Washington Post ran an article with the headline shown above. The article starts with ""A leader of the NASA team in charge of redesigning the planned space station said yesterday the job is tough and may be impossible."" O'Connor is quoted saying whether it is possible to cut costs that much and still provide for meaningful research ""is a real question for me."" O'Connor said ""everything is fair game,"" including ""dropping or curtailing existing contracts with the aerospace industry, chopping management of the space station program at some NASA facilities around the country, working closely with the Russian space station Mir, and using unmanned Titan rockets to supplement the manned space shuttle fleet."" O'Connor says his team has reviewed 30 design options so far, and they are sorting the serious candidates into three categories based on cost. The Post says O'Connor described the design derived from the current SSF as a high cost option (I believe Kathy Sawyer, the Post writer, got confused here. I listened in on part of O'Connor's briefing to the press on Monday, and in one part of the briefing O'Connor talked about how the White House wants three options, sorted by cost [low, medium, and high]. In another part of the briefing, he discussed the three teams he has formed to look at three options [SSF derivative @ LaRC, modular buildup with Bus-1 @ MSFC, and Single Launch Core [""wingless Orbiter""] @ JSC. Later, in response to a reporters question, I thought I heard O'Connor say the option based on a SSF redesign was a ""moderate"" cost option, in between low & high cost options. Not the ""high cost"" option as Sawyer wrote). The article goes on to describe the other two options as ""one features modules that could gradually be fitted together in orbit, similar to the Russian Mir. The other is a core facility that could be deposited in orbit in a single launch, like Skylab. That option would use existing hardware from the space shuttle - the fuselage, for example, in its basic structure."" The last sentence in the article contradicts the title & the first paragraph. The sentence reads ""He [O'Connor] said a streamlined version of the planned space station Freedom is still possible within the administration's budget guidelines."" " 3209,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: fillibuster Lines: 43 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: |>|In article |>|hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: |> |>|>The filibuster does not make sense because the senate is elected as a last |>|>gasp assembly. It is designed to be the repository of doddery old men with |>|>no power. |> |>| Phill, I don't know which Senate you're discussing, but it ain't |>|ours. |> |>Phill probably thinks that the US senate is supposed to be the equivalent |>to the UK's House of Lords. The status of the House of Lords today is quite different to its status in 1789. |>Which just goes to show that where the US is concerned Phill still has no |>idea what he is talking about. Maddison and Hamilton were both studying existing forms of government for several years before they wrote the federalist papers. That the US system is based to a considerable degree on the UK model is pretty widely accepted. At the time there was no other major country with a representative body. The French plebicite had been suppressed for 140 years and its restoration eight years later would mark the start of the French revolution. After the UK system the major influences were the Dutch system and of course the classical systems. Nobody seriously suggests that Rome or Greece were models though because the political systems of both countries were acknowleged disasters. The main lesson learnt from Greece was that unless a federal state was constructed a war would be inevitable. The Greek democracies were always fighting amongst themselves which is how Rome managed to invade. Had the federal consitution been rejected the new Roman empire in the shape of Britain would quite certainly have reabsorbed much of the colonies in due course. Moreover the states would have been at each others throats as soon as the Louisiana purchase situation arose during the Napoleonic period. Phill Hallam-Baker " 3210,5,"From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool) Subject: anybody have patched version of xroach for tvtwm??? Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 19 i read about the code you can put in to most applications so that the virtual desktop stuff in tvtwm doesn't confuse them (or is the application confusing the virtual-ness? [chicken & the egg?] but wanted to see if it has been applied to a version of xroach i never could quite get ssetroot to work either? any suggestions. luckily xv -root -quit does the trick for the most part also, i'ld be quite interested in hearing more about the icon region for each virtual window under tvtwm that i read a thread on last week here thanx, fish -- John R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683 ""So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking, racing around to come up behind you again."" -rw/dg " 3211,10,"From: igor@pravda.tse.su Subject: Who will broadcast the WC Originator: tervo@messi.uku.fi Organization: Central Red Army, Soviet Union Lines: 9 Which GERMAN satellite channels will show the World Championship action from Dusseldorf & Munich? Someone please tell me (must be able to root for the Red Machine)! Thank you ***Russians for the world title, Nordiques for the Cup!!!*** " 3212,7,"From: sgs1679@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) Subject: HELP!!!! (Mercury Capri Query). Keywords: Gas mileage, High idling, Carburettor, Tune-up. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette Distribution: usa Lines: 34 Hi Folks, I recently bought a 1981 Mercury Capri (my first car ever!). I have noticed a few problems with the car : 1. It gives very low gas mileage (something like 11 miles / gallon ; I hear other car owners speak of gas-mileage figures like 25 miles/gallon (wow!) etc.). 2. When I start the car, it goes into high idling (something like 1500 (or is it 15000 ?) rpm. After driving 4 or 5 miles, it comes down to 300 (or 3000?) rpm. I would like to know if there is any way by which I can fix these problems. Or is it natural for an old car like this ? (it has done about 117,000 miles). Someone suggested that I change/rebuild/ recondition the carburettor. I am not prepared to do it unless I am sure it will fix the problem. And yes, I got the car tuned-up recently (within the last 200 miles or so). Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Please respond by email since I don't scan this newsgroup regularly. Thanks. Regards, --Sudhi. -- Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. email : sudhi@ucs.usl.edu. ""Is he one of us or is he one of them ?"" ---- so ask small-minded men. Those of noble mind think the entire world as their family. [Hitopadesha] " 3213,5,"From: dev@hollywood.acsc.com () Subject: Keyboard Focussing Organization: ACSC, Inc. Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hollywood.acsc.com I have two Motif Widgets. I would like to control one of them via the keyboard and the other with the mouse. I set the keyboard focus on the first widget, but as soon as I click the mouse on the second one, I lose the keyboard focus on the first one. Could some kind soul show me how to do this? Thanks DM dev@hollywood.acsc.com " 3214,14,"From: lochem@fys.ruu.nl (Gert-Jan van Lochem) Subject: Dutch: symposium compacte objecten Summary: U wordt uitgenodigd voor het symposium compacte objecten 26-4-93 Keywords: compacte objecten, symposium Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands Lines: 122 Sterrenkundig symposium 'Compacte Objecten' op 26 april 1993 In het jaar 1643, zeven jaar na de oprichting van de Universiteit van Utrecht, benoemde de universiteit haar eerste sterrenkundige waarnemer. Hiermee ontstond de tweede universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld. Aert Jansz, de eerste waarnemer, en zijn opvolgers voerden de Utrechtse sterrenkunde in de daaropvolgende jaren, decennia en eeuwen naar de voorhoede van het astronomisch onderzoek. Dit jaar is het 350 jaar geleden dat deze historische benoeming plaatsvond. De huidige generatie Utrechtse sterrenkundigen en studenten sterrenkunde, verenigd in het Sterrekundig Instituut Utrecht, vieren de benoeming van hun 'oervader' middels een breed scala aan feestelijke activiteiten. Zo is er voor scholieren een planetenproject, programmeert de Studium Generale een aantal voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema en wordt op de Dies Natalis aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt. Er staat echter meer op stapel. Studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde kunnen op 26 april aan een sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen. De onderwerpen van het symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van de zwaartepunten van het huidige Utrechtse onderzoek: het onderzoek aan de zogeheten 'compacte objecten', de eindstadia in de evolutie van sterren. Bij de samenstelling van het programma is getracht de deelnemer een zo aktueel en breed mogelijk beeld te geven van de stand van zaken in het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia. In de eerste, inleidende lezing zal dagvoorzitter prof. Lamers een beknopt overzicht geven van de evolutie van zware sterren, waarna de zeven overige sprekers in lezingen van telkens een half uur nader op de specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten zullen ingaan. Na afloop van elke lezing is er gelegenheid tot het stellen van vragen. Het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt op een apart vel. Het niveau van de lezingen is afgestemd op tweedejaars studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde. OOK ANDERE BELANGSTELLENDEN ZIJN VAN HARTE WELKOM! Tijdens de lezing van prof. Kuijpers zullen, als alles goed gaat, de veertien radioteleskopen van de Radiosterrenwacht Westerbork worden ingezet om via een directe verbinding tussen het heelal, Westerbork en Utrecht het zwakke radiosignaal van een snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren, een zogeheten pulsar, in de symposiumzaal door te geven en te audiovisualiseren. Prof. Kuijpers zal de binnenkomende signalen (elkaar snel opvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling) bespreken en trachten te verklaren. Het slagen van dit unieke experiment staat en valt met de technische haalbaarheid ervan. De op te vangen signalen zijn namelijk zo zwak, dat pas na een waarnemingsperiode van 10 miljoen jaar genoeg energie is opgevangen om een lamp van 30 Watt een seconde te laten branden! Tijdens het symposium zal er niet zo lang gewacht hoeven te worden: de hedendaagse technologie stelt ons in staat live het heelal te beluisteren. Deelname aan het symposium kost f 4,- (exclusief lunch) en f 16,- (inclusief lunch). Inschrijving geschiedt door het verschuldigde bedrag over te maken op ABN-AMRO rekening 44.46.97.713 t.n.v. stichting 350 JUS. Het gironummer van de ABN-AMRO bank Utrecht is 2900. Bij de inschrijving dient te worden aangegeven of men lid is van de NNV. Na inschrijving wordt de symposiummap toegestuurd. Bij inschrijving na 31 maart vervalt de mogelijkheid een lunch te reserveren. Het symposium vindt plaats in Transitorium I, Universiteit Utrecht. Voor meer informatie over het symposium kan men terecht bij Henrik Spoon, p/a S.R.O.N., Sorbonnelaan 2, 3584 CA Utrecht. Tel.: 030-535722. E-mail: henriks@sron.ruu.nl. ******* DAGPROGRAMMA ************************************** 9:30 ONTVANGST MET KOFFIE & THEE 10:00 Opening Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers (Utrecht) 10:10 Dubbelster evolutie Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers 10:25 Radiopulsars Prof. dr. J.M.E. Kuijpers (Utrecht) 11:00 Pulsars in dubbelster systemen Prof. dr. F. Verbunt (Utrecht) 11:50 Massa & straal van neutronensterren Prof. dr. J. van Paradijs (Amsterdam) 12:25 Theorie van accretieschijven Drs. R.F. van Oss (Utrecht) 13:00 LUNCH 14:00 Hoe zien accretieschijven er werkelijk uit? Dr. R.G.M. Rutten (Amsterdam) 14:35 Snelle fluktuaties bij accretie op neutronensterren en zwarte gaten Dr. M. van der Klis (Amsterdam) 15:10 THEE & KOFFIE 15:30 Zwarte gaten: knippen en plakken met ruimte en tijd Prof. dr. V. Icke (leiden) 16:05 afsluiting 16:25 BORREL -- Gert-Jan van Lochem \\ ""What is it?"" Fysische informatica \\ ""Something blue"" Universiteit Utrecht \\ ""Shapes, I need shapes!"" 030-532803 \\ - HHGG - " 3215,17,"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 44 In article <1qmdtlINNkrc@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: |> In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> |> |> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> |> |> -- |> |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org |> |> Mr. water-head, |> |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that |> |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no |> |> water is being used on the lebanese |> |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there |> |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. |> |> Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more |> difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in |> any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support |> this? |> |> I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan |> had been writing it. |> |> Newsflash: |> Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red |> Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of |> the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea. |> The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment. |> Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been |> denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers |> were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the |> Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered |> heavy casualties while doing so. Hehehe. BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken. Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) " 3216,12,"From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: UART-CPU-ROM-RAM subsystem Keywords: cheap, low-cost, small $$$ Organization: University of Montana Lines: 21 This is a followup post to something I've written previously. Several people responded with good information, but I don't think I communicated exactly what I am looking for. I'm working on a custom I/O device that will communicate with a host via RS-232. My custom circuitry will use an 80C186EB or EC CPU and require about 64K of RAM (preferably FLASH RAM). In looking around, I see that lots of people have engineered UART-CPU-ROM-RAM subsystems that are ready to be interfaced to your custom I/O devices. It's been done so much, that it would be best if I can avoid reinventing a system. It just needs to use an 80C186 (or 188) CPU, and be able to load a program from the host then transfer control to that program. Well, there's one other thing the ROM needs to know how to do. It should have routines to send and receive bytes to/from the host, that utilize the hardware control lines (DTR,RTS,DTS,CTS). Everything I've seen is in the $200.00 and up range. That's too much for this application. I need something around $100.00. The CPU has the UART built-in, so you're only looking at a few chips. Does anyone know a company that markets a good board in this range, or some public domain circuitry I can use? Thanks in advance for the info. Rich " 3217,10,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Stephen Lawrence (s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca) wrote: : Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL : franchise in the first place! : Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY : (hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care : to come up and film the event?) : Yee haa Golden Gophers : Whatta weird town!!!!! : s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) : Western Business School -- London, Ontario This is the second posting of this kind from an idiot at a business school in Canada. What is your problem up there anyway? Is this what they teach you in business school in Canada? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 3218,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Too fast Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.063040.2177 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 63 In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface >>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better >>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc. > >They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I've been >they only light 'em at junctions. Sorry, by ""they"" I meant autobahns, not US freeways. > >I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and >localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are >essentially nonexistant. > >>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your >>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to > >>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway, >>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe >>at 130 in any decent, well damped car. > >I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary >dramatically, particularly between states. I can name a number of >interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be >very optimistic in any car. Well, I've driven in every state but Alaska, and drive about 60k per year. I take long cross country trips any chance I get - its fun for me and I can get reimbursment. My job allows me to drive rather than fly. Not to labor the point, but I've driven just about every freewayin the US, Germany, UK and France plus some in Mexico, which was surpisingly good. > >I'm not sure what you call ""quite severe"" in terms of road deviations >but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be >considered so. They're hard to take at 85mph. That's not the only >interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive >frequently. Yes, but as a %age of the total freeway in the US? All you have to do in this case is mark the hazard, advising people to slow to 85 or so. > >Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere >has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such Texas freeways are varied, sometimes a good surface. Mostly flat. But, I5 in CA is comparable and hilly. >wide-open spaces. It just ain't so. > Given the absence of other traffic and car built for 130 (e.g. 535) most US freeways are just fine. The problem is other road users and cops. >jim frost >jimf@centerline.com Craig " 3219,9,"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!! Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 19 > I agree, though I'd also be happy with a stadium that looks > like new Comiskey. The new park was also made for baseball. > Unlike Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, etc., it's not a > football park in which they also play baseball. While we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which was designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets. It was the first stadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be oriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football. Of course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football stadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where, because it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the action. The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have always hyped it as ""beautiful Shea Stadium,"" a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is. Jay " 3220,19,"From: ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: EIT Lines: 88 NNTP-Posting-Host: squick.eitech.com In article <1r3le9$mlj@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <1r22qp$4sk@squick.eitech.com> ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >#In article <1r0m89$r0o@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >#>In article <1qvu33$jk3@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >#>#>If almost all people agree that the sun exists (in the usual, uncritical sense), >#>#>and almost all people agree that a deal is bad, it's a reasonable >#>#>conclusion that the sun really does exist, and that the deal really is bad. >#>#I disagree completely. Until rather recently, most people did not >#>#believe in evolution or the possibility of the atom bomb. Popular >#>#opinion is notoriously wrong about matters of fact. >#>True, but nevertheless the basis of all ""matters of fact"" is overwhelming >#>popular opinion, and some overwhelming popular opinion *is* fact (""the >#>sun shines""). If it were not so, physics would be a personal matter, >#>assumed to be different for each of us. There would be YourGravity and >#>MyGravity and no theoretical framework to encompass them and predict >#>both. >#This is simply complete nonsense. The basis for 'matters of fact' is, >#if any class of opinion, the majority of INFORMED popular opinion >#for some value of informed. I would really hate to base my knowledge >#of, for instance, QM on what the overwhelming popular opinion is. >The *basis*, Eric, is people peering at the world and saying what >they see. I'm talking about uninterpreted facts - observations. _People_ >do those. Agreement on some observations is a prerequisite for a theory >that is more than personal. Yes, that's true, but you have to be clear exactly what is an uninterpreted observation. It's pretty low level stuff. 'The sun shines' is already a LOT higher level than that. We can agree that 'I perceive brightness' perhaps. >#>Now I take an experience of good/evil to be every bit as raw a fact as an >#>experience of pain, or vision. >#That might seem like a good first pass guess, but it turns out to >#be a pretty cruddy way to look at things, because we all seem to >#have rather different opinions (experiences) about what is good >#and evil, while we seem to be able to agree on what the meter says. >You're not comparing apples with apples. If we all look at the same meter, >we'll agree. If we're all in the same situation, that's when we'll >agree on fundamental values, if at all. People who say that nobody agrees on >values to the same extent that they agree on trivial observations seem >to be unaware of the extent of agreement on either. Huh? What do you mean 'all in the same situation?' Let's take me and Dennis Kriz as examples. We're in pretty different situations, but I think we can agree as to whether it's day or night. I don't think we can agree as to whether or not abortion is morally acceptable. Yet we are certainly in the same difference of situations with respect to each other. Looks like weasel-words to me, Frank. >#I don't see that it's any evidence at all. >#As I point out above, I'm really not interested very much in >#what the popular opinion is. I'm prepared to trust--to some extent-- >#the popular opinion about direct matters of physical observation >#because by and large they accord with my own. However, if everyone >#else said the dial read 1.5 and it looked like a 3 to me, I would >#hope that I would believe myself. I.e. believing other people about >#these matters seems to have a reasonable probability of predicting >#what I would believe if I observed myself, but the possibility exists >#that it is not. Since I know from observation that others disagree >#with me about what is good, I believe I can discount popular opinion >#about 'good' from the beginning as a predictor of my opinion. >#I would say that the fact that it seems almost impossible to get >#people to agree on what is good in a really large number of situations >#is probably the best evidence that objective morality is bogus, actually. >Firstly, if everyone else said the dial was 1.5 and I saw 3, I'd check >my lens prescription. That's up to you, I guess. > Secondly, your observation that people >disagree shows nothing - people may be looking at different things, >by virtue of being in different situations. If I look at an elephant, I'll >see an elephant. That doesn't imply that you will see an elephant if you >look at an iguana. This 'different situations' stuff is pretty confusing, Frank. How do we decide if we are in the same situation? You mind explaining? > Thirdly, I question your assumption that when >people disagree about how to achieve fundamental or secondary goals, that >they therefore do not have the same fundamental goals (that seems to be the >disagreement you refer to). Huh? I don't think so. I think that people disagree about fundamental goals. -Ekr -- Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com Would you buy used code from this man? " 3221,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: LC III NuBus Capable? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 12 mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and >ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. >Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? Yes. That is exactly what it means. The LC family of Macs can only use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. -Hades " 3222,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr16.104158.27890@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: >(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would In New Orleans, LA, there was a company making motorcycles for WHEELCHAIR bound people! The rig consists of a flat-bed sidecar rig that the wheelchair can be clamped to. The car has a set of hand controls mounted on conventional handlebars! Looks wierd as hell to see this legless guy driving the rig from the car while his girlfriend sits on the bike as a passenger! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * " 3223,17,"From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians. Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel Lines: 33 ac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) pl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) pl: 1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians? ac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans? ac: You even make Armenians laugh. ac: ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the ac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of ac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at ac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The ac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and ac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in ac: 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" Typical Mutlu. PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y happened. Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar accuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did what they are accused of. While I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I can't understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let such an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself. I do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything to alleviate my puzzlement. But maybe I'll see a new line from his list of insults. -- /|/-\/-\ |__/__/_/ |warren@ / nysernet.org " 3224,4,"From: Chris Roberts Subject: Re: Floptical Question Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b63683.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:04:15 GMT In article Billy Lee Myers, bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: >Floptical is, of course a different technology, and doesn't enjoy the long >term data storage of opticals. And the last time I looked, floptical disk >weren't all that cheap, ($30 per floptical disk = $1.40 per megabyte, $60 >per sysquest is $1.36 per megabyte). I don't know how many times I've posted this the net. No one EVER listens. Once and for all: Floptical Media is only $1.40 a megabyte if you don't know where to buy it. I am bying my flopticals at $30 per 2 disks. I see that as $.75 a meagabyte, NOT $1.40. No, I'm not buying in bulk, I'm not getting a special deal. $.75 a meg is good in my book, Approching floppy price. Any questions on my source can be sent to ctr@po.cwru.edu. Chris Chris Roberts: Here we go again... ctr@po.cwru.edu ctr@pyrite.som.cwru.edu roberts@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu roberts@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Well, at least you know where to find me now.. Logged in a terminal, checking my mail.. " 3225,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 29 waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's > ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, > show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > > > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > > not appreciated. > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy > sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go > back to the minors, junior. All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could write. " 3226,1,"Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Ivan Sutherland to speak at Harvard From: eekim@husc11.harvard.edu (Eugene Kim) Distribution: harvard Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: husc11.harvard.edu Lines: 21 The Harvard Computer Society is pleased to announce its third lecture of the spring. Ivan Sutherland, the father of computer graphics and an innovator in microprocessing, will be speaking at Harvard University on Tuesday, April 20, 1993, at 4:00 pm in Aiken Computations building, room 101. The title of his talk is ""Logical Effort and the Conflict over the Control of Information."" Cookies and tea will be served at 3:30 pm in the Aiken Lobby. Admissions is free, and all are welcome. Aiken is located north of the Science Center near the Law School. For more information, send e-mail to eekim@husc.harvard.edu. The lecture will be videotaped, and a tape will be made available. Thanks. -- Eugene Kim '96 | ""Give me a place to stand, and I will INTERNET: eekim@husc.harvard.edu | move the earth."" --Archimedes " 3227,9,"From: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) Subject: Re: Yankee fears. Nntp-Posting-Host: steam.xylogics.com Reply-To: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810 Lines: 1 Rawley Eastwick " 3228,12,"From: tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Keywords: outlet Organization: Steward Observatory, Univ. of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 19 crichmon@sedona.intel.com (Chris Richmond) writes: >Well, my house was built just last year, and the breaker box is wired the >same way. All the white and ground wires are on a common bus. Except for >the 220V circuits, only black wires are hooked to the breakers. It was >the same way in the last two houses I had also. Are you sure this is wrong? >I still have the building inspector's signature on the breaker box. The point is that the original poster was talking about connecting ground and neutral in the *outlet* box (big NO NO), and you are talking about them being connected in the breaker box (as things should be). If this is not obvious, the point is that there should be current flow in the white, i.e. neutral/return wires when things in the house are operating. There should not be any flow in the ground wires unless there is a fault condition. Notice also that in the breaker box there is a wire leading from the above-mentioned junction to earth ground, usually a pipe or spike driven into the ground. -- Tom Trebisky ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu " 3229,2,"From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan) Subject: W4WG & Novell Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: walnut.cps.msu.edu Originator: bilan@walnut.cps.msu.edu I installed Windows for Workgroups on my network and I'm having problems mapping drives in the file-manager. Situation: If I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access drive f: to log in to Novell. If I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG drives from the file-manager. It seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE = statement in my Config.Sys. I would appreciate any help. It's probably an easy problem that all you Windows guru's solved many many moons ago... Thanks, Tom Bilan -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ $ Department of Death by Engineering ^ Surgeon General's Warning: $ $ Michigan State University ^ Graduate School may cause brain $ $ bilan@cps.msu.edu ^ damage and sporadic loss of hair $ " 3230,2,"From: spowell@trentu.ca (STEFAN POWELL) Subject: Cool background patterns! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: Trent Computing and Telecommunications Department Lines: 16 Here are some cool 3-D background patterns I made. Edit your CONTROL.INI and add the following lines to your [Patterns] section. Bricks=148 43 86 172 89 182 99 201 Tile=1 43 85 43 85 43 85 255 Tile (diagonal)=148 107 54 156 73 182 99 201 Slats=0 170 85 170 85 170 85 255 Make sure your desktop color is one of the standard 16 colors or the patterns might not work. I like dark grey the best with these. If you have any cool one's of your own, please mail them to me. _______________________________________________________________________________ Stefan Powell - SPowell@TrentU.CA Peterborough, Ontario, Canada " 3231,1,"From: dutc0006@student.tc.umn.edu (David J Dutcher-1) Subject: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 23 In article <734553308snx@rjck.UUCP> rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko) writes: >gchen@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu writes in article : >> >> Greetings! >> >> Does anybody know if it is possible to set VGA graphics mode to 640x400 >> instead of 640x480? Any info is appreciated! > >Some VESA bios's support this mode (0x100). And *any* VGA should be able to >support this (640x480 by 256 colors) since it only requires 256,000 bytes. >My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this; it's the only VESA mode by card can support >due to 8514/a restrictions. (A WD/Paradise) > >-- >I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. > Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) Ahh no. Possibly you punched in the wrong numbers on your calculator. 256 color modes take a byte per pixel so 640 time 480 is 307,200 which is 300k to be exact. 640x400x256 only takes 250k but I don't think it is a BIOS mode. I wouldn't bet that all VGA cards can do that either. If a VGA card has 512k I bet it can do both 640x400 and 640x480. That by definition is SVGA, though not very high SVGA. " 3232,1,"From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory) Subject: AVI file format? Summary: AVI file format? Keywords: AVI file format? Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au Hi, would someone please email the new AVI file format. I'm sure that many people would like to know what it is exactly. Thank you Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. -- Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. " 3233,9,"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: A surfeit of offense? Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article <1qi008INNphe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.160447.17835@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > >Last year the American League scored 9802 runs in 1134 games, for a > >total of 8.6 runs per game, with 1.0 HR/game. Through Tuesday, the AL > >has 477 runs in 48 games, for a total of 9.9 runs per game, and a > >total of 1.7 HR/game. In 1987 there were 9.8 runs per game, and 2.3 > >HR/game. > > >The big question: How significant is this? Have we returned to 1987? > >Or is this just a minor abberation? > > > >Some thoughts: > > >d) I thought offense was generally down in April, rising as the > >weather got warm and pitchers got tired. This may be a bigger > >abberation from the norm than it seems. > > 1. I don't get a feeling that the weather has been an issue this year. > There doesn't seem to be a really cold spell in North America which > does makes it harder to hit (not to mention making the ball carry less) You obviously did not watch the Twins in Chicago. No cold spell? It's been snowing most of the week in Minnesota. (5 inches in Duluth last weekend) > I would still put things under the too early to tell category. Yup. -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) " 3234,12,"From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Trivializers R Us Lines: 16 In <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes: >In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times >|> or something like that. >... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a >mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the >compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency. Yes, but in a fairly reproducible way. -40 is only a smidgen of the distance to absolute zero. And in any case you're going to have to borrow freezer space from a bio lab or someone to test/calibrate this darling anyway. Btw, you're probably going to want those big capacitors you found to fire the solenoid -- High current drain on frozen batteries can be an ugly thing. paul " 3235,3,From: aaron_bratcher@fpm.uchicago.edu (Aaron L. Bratcher) Subject: Appletalk hookup? Article-I.D.: fpm-mac-.aaron_bratcher-060493075518 Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 3 What ways are there to hook up to an appletalk network to use an Apple LaserWriter? Is there a way I can use an AppleShare File Server also? The less memory used the better. Thanks. Any help greatly appreciated. 3236,12,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: Re: A question about 120V Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc., DBA The Ozone Hole BBS Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Lines: 38 >>SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the >>same electrical circuit if I hooked the neutral jumper from the >>neutral over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding >>outlets. What's wrong with my reasoning here? >First, go to the local hardware store and pick up a copy of ""Wiring >Simplified"" by H.L. Richter. Now if your house is wired with metal >conduit, you don't need a seperate ground wire (assuming the house >is wired correctly and the pipes are connected to a cold water >pipe in your basement). The outlets that have a neutral hooked to >the ground screw seem wrong. Anyone else think so? Back in the 70's I was a service technician for a cash register company. The cash registers used microprocessor circuits and back then they were VERY susceptible to electrostatic discharge and line noise. The biggest problems came from outlets that were not properly grounded. In almost every place we went to do an installation, we found outlets with the ground connected to the neutral. For 99.9% of the things you can plug into one of these, they work fine. For our cash registers they were a nightmare -- line noise tended to scramble the memory periodically. With modern electronics using switching power supplies this should be less of a problem. Even the company I used to work for is no longer recommending a dedicated line with a seperate ground for their equipment. I imagine if you check MOST household wiring you will find that the ground and neutral are connected. Although not ideal, it should be o.k. for most applications. --- . SLMR 2.1 . My reality check just bounced. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 3237,10,From: cbn7g@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Bass Nystrom) Subject: Re: ESPN Tonight Article-I.D.: Virginia.1993Apr15.215144.10182 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 11 swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: > Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight. They said they will > show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would > be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game... Anyone heard for > sure??? > > > Jeff Swartz It's going to be the Stars - Wings game 3238,1,"From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) Subject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP Organization: TAP Lines: 19 Quoted from <1993Apr20.125147.10665@genes.icgeb.trieste.it> by oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto): > file, check in the 'graphics' directories under *grasp. The problem > is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of > the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome! The gl2p1.lzh stuff under gfx/show on the Aminet sites includes a utility called pic2hl, that is a filter for HamLab that can handle the most commonly used kinds of .PIC and .CLP files. The biggest problem is that the .CLP files don't usually contain a palette, so you need to convert a .PIC with the right palette first (which creates a ""ram:picpal"" file), and then convert the .CLP files. > Jacques Oberto -- *** John Bickers, TAP. jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz *** *** ""Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me"" - Kraftwerk *** " 3239,8,"Subject: Re: BMW Nostalgia Question from a Neophyte From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) Organization: Mississippi State University Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Lines: 17 To go one step further, you could write Roland Slabon, Pres. of the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners Ltd at P.O. box 67, Exeter, New Hampshire 03833 and he'll send you copy of the bimonthly rag with info as to where to send your $12 bucks if ya want to join. As far as the price of '60's Beemers, it varies wildly, from a low of around $1000 for an unrestored bike that still runs (like an R50 or R60) to $4500 or so for a restored R69S. Don't listen to that bull about the old bmw's not being ""good enough"" to ride in todays world.. Hell, I'm riding my 1956 R26 Single from Mississippi to the BMW MOA national rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin on the 22nd of July this year. Sincerely, Craig Vechorik BMW MOA Ambassador #9462 BMW Vintage Bulletin tech editor #1373 DOD #843 ""REAL BMW's have ROUND tail lights and ROLLER cranks"" " 3240,10,"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Keywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Distribution: na Lines: 26 In article seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes: > >What, did you leave the room each of the 100 or so times they said that >there WERE NO OTHER NIGHT BASEBALL GAMES? Every break they took back at >the studio mentioned it, followed by 'so...we're gonna show you hockey >instead.' My wife and I are hoping for rain at every baseball game they >have a feed for tommorrow night... > >Point is, be glad they showed hockey, but if baseball was available >anywhere else you can bet you would've watched baseball last night. > >pete clark I know that there wasn't other games on the schedule, but ESPN sometimes shows classic games from previous season to fill in the time slot. %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % % \ ________/ * * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % % \ \ Contact for the Blues * * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % % (___) BLUES * *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% " 3241,13,"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: >> >>In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >>What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the >>impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps >>even the ""correct"") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around >>having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and >>petty hatreds. > >Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial >thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use >unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists >whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit >out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. The danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization can end up being far removed from the actual day-to-day of the grunt at the bench. Yes, its great to be involved in a process were I can walk into the lab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it (as long as my advisor doesn't catch me - which is easy enough to do), but stamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review committees and the peer review process in general. In today's world that's what determines what science is: what gets funded. And a damn good thing to. Flights of fantasy just don't have much chance of producing anything, at least not in biomedical research. The surest way for a graduate student to ruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with fleshing out his/her fantasies than with having the student work on a project that actually has a good chance of producing some results. MD's seem to be particularly prone to this aberrant behavior. >(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA >electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that >he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic >genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out >binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence >that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for >Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in >so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into >the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were >much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was >recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created. >Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me, >Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.) I have to agree with Gary Merrill's response to this. I've read alot of the Alu and middle repetitive sequence work and it's really very interesting, good work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics. It's really an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting results that were unexpected. Mike " 3242,1,"Subject: Re: Video in/out From: djlewis@ualr.edu Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.ualr.edu Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr18.080719.4773@nwnexus.WA.COM>, mscrap@halcyon.com (Marta Lyall) writes: > Organization: ""A World of Information at your Fingertips"" > Keywords: > > In article <628@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) writes: >> >>I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little >>advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. >>I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. >>What cards should I be looking into? >> >>Thanks, >>Craig >> >>-- >> ""To forgive is divine, to be >>-Craig Williamson an airhead is human."" >> Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas >> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers > > > Craig, > > You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the > time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right > driver. > > Josh West > email: mscrap@halcyon.com > AT&T also puts out two new products for windows, Model numbers elude me now, a 15 bit video board with framegrabber and a 16bit with same. Yesterday I was looking at a product at a local Software ETC store. Media Vision makes a 15bit (32,768 color) frame capture board that is stand alone and doesnot use the feature connector on your existing video card. It claims upto 30 fps live capture as well as single frame from either composite NTSC or s-video in and out. Don Lewis " 3243,3,"From: e324ngon@credit.erin.utoronto.ca (Ngo Nguyen) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: University of Toronto, Erindale Campus Lines: 19 In article <1qte10$kn5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) writes: > >I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of >the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio >and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts Computers are a special case.. and it's a pretty good idea to leave them on.. cuz everytime you turn on a computer, you're putting a surge of electricity through its delicate components. Imagine you're turning on your computer 5 or more times a day. You're increasing the chances of damaging the chips, memory, etc on all the components of your computer. So you may save a few cents here and there in electricity bills, but it won't look like much when it come time to fix your computer. My $.02 worth.. N. Ngo " 3244,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Statement to everyone on t.p.g Lines: 24 Ok, here goes. Yes folks, I realize I have stuck my foot in my mouth quite a few times already so please let me make some clarifications. My inaccurate information in my posts was due to lack of knowledge. Thanks to you kind (and some not so kind) people I am learning. Some people have given me several good points to ponder and I see how I was wrong. In no way was this inaccurate information supposed to be trying to further the anti-gun cause. I have said several times before (but nobody seemed to be listening) that I am pro-gun and anti-gun-control. As far as the race can of worms that I have opened up I have only one thing to say - I am in no way prejudiced. Some of the things I have stated were said to demonstrate that I am not prejudiced and/or a racist but I have been accused of being too aware of race and prejudiced. I will not say anymore about that subject because no matter what I say it will be the wrong thing. Boy, what a start to being on a new group. Oh well, things have been worse in my life. I hope this clears things up but I guess that will remain to be seen. By for now, Jason " 3245,14,"From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg) Subject: Commercial point of view Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au Lines: 29 Original to: szabo@techbook.com G'day szabo@techbook.com 29 Mar 93 07:28, szabo@techbook.com wrote to All: sc> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo), via Kralizec 3:713/602 sc> Here are some longer-term markets to consider: Here are some more: * Terrestrial illumination from orbiting mirrors. * World enviroment and disaster monitering system. (the Japanese have already developed a plan for this, called WEDOS) Although this may be more of a ""public good"". * Space tourism. * Energy relay satellites ta Ralph --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: VULCAN'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-6797 3:713/6 (3:713/635) " 3246,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 203 Here's something Preston Covey (professor of ethics at CMU) wrote: From: ""Preston K. Covey"" Subject: Gun Stats & Mortal Risks Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:35:05 -0500 (EST) Folks, Hail from the nether world. On February 4th, the Wall Street Journal carried a front-page article by Erik Larson entitled ""Armed Force."" I felt a reply was in order to his citation of the notorious scare stat that ""A Gun is 43 times more likely to kill than to protect."" I sent the following to the WSJ. ----- Gun Stats & Mortal Risks Preston K. Covey Erik Larson~s even-handed article on Paxton Quigley (~Armed Force,~ 2/4/93, WSJ) cites the world~s most notorious ~statistic~ regarding guns in the home: ~A pioneering study of residential gunshot deaths in King County, Washington, found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, spouse, a friend or child than to kill an intruder.~ The ~43 times~ stat is everywhere these days; it has grown in media lore like the proverbial urban myth: it was inflated by one pugilistic talk-show pundit to ~93.~ Given the shock value of the finding, the conclusion of the 1986 New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) study is remarkably understated: ~The advisability of keeping firearms in the home for protection must be questioned.~ Responsible people should indeed question the risks and benefits of bringing a firearm into their home. But what we need to know is this: What exactly are the risks and benefits? The NEJM testimony is neither the whole truth about the benefits nor nothing but the truth about the risks. Further, as with motor vehicles, we want to know: What control do we have over the risks and benefits? And, as with the risks of cancer or heart disease or auto accidents: How can we minimize the risks? Like raw highway death tolls, the NEJM stat is not very helpful here. The NEJM finding purports to inform us, but it is framed to warn us off. It is widely promulgated in the media as a ~scare stat,~ a misleading half-truth whose very formulation is calculated to prejudice and terrify. The frightful statistic screams for itself: The risks far outweigh the benefits, yes? What fool would run these risks? If your car were 43 times more likely to kill you, a loved one, a dear friend or an innocent child than to get you to your destination, should you not take the bus? Uncritical citation puts the good name of statistics in the bad company of lies and damned lies. Surely, we can do better where lives are at stake. Let~s take a closer look at this risky business: The ~43 times~ stat of the NEJM study is the product of dividing the number of home intruders/aggressors justifiably killed in self-defense (the divisor) into the number of family members or acquaintances killed by a gun in the home (the dividend). The divisor of this risk equation is 9: in the study~s five-year sample there were 2 intruders and 7 other cases of self-defense. The dividend is 387: in the study there were 12 accidental deaths, 42 criminal homicides, and 333 suicides. 387 divided by 9 yields 43. There were a total of 743 gun-related deaths in King County between 1978 and 1983, so the study leaves 347 deaths outside of homes unaccounted. The NEJM~s notorious ~43 times~ statistic is seriously misleading on six counts: 1. The dividend is misleadingly characterized in the media: the ~or acquaintances~ of the study (who include your friendly drug dealers and neighborhood gang members) is equated to ~friends.~ The implication is that the offending guns target and kill only beloved family members, dear friends, and innocent children. Deaths may all be equally tragic, but the character and circumstance of both victims and killers are relevant to the risk. These crucial risk factors are masked by the calculated impression that the death toll is generated by witless Waltons shooting dear friends and friendly neighbors. This is criminological hogwash. 2. The study itself does not distinguish households or environs populated by people with violent, criminal, or substance-abuse histories -- where the risk of death is very high -- versus households inhabited by more civil folk (for example, people who avoid high-risk activities like drug dealing, gang banging and wife beating) -- where the risk is very low indeed. In actuality, negligent adults allow fatal but avoidable accidents; and homicides are perpetrated mostly by people with histories of violence or abuse, people who are identifiably and certifiably at ~high risk~ for misadventure. To ignore these obvious risk factors in firearm accidents and homicides is as misleading as ignoring the role of alcohol in vehicular deaths: by tautology, neither gun deaths nor vehicular deaths would occur without firearms or vehicles; but the person and circumstance of the gun owner or driver crucially affect the risk. 3. One misleading implication of the way the NEJM stat is framed is that the mere presence of a gun in the home is much more likely to kill than to protect, and this obscures -- indeed, disregards -- the role of personal responsibility. The typical quotation of this study (unlike Larson~s) attributes fatal agency to the gun: ~A gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill . . . .~ (The Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, a major promulgator of the NEJM statistic, uses this particular formulation.) We can dispense with the silly debate about whether it~s people or guns that accomplish the killing: again, by tautology, gun deaths would not occur without the guns. The question begged is how many deaths would occur anyway, without the guns. In any case, people are the death-dealing agents, the guns are their lethal instruments. The moral core of the personal risk factors in gun deaths are personal responsibility and choice. Due care and responsibility obviate gun accidents; human choice mediates homicide and suicide (by gun or otherwise). The choice to own a gun need not condemn a person to NEJM~s high-risk pool. The gun does not create this risk by itself. People have a lot to say about what risk they run with guns in their homes. For example, graduates of Paxton Quigley~s personal protection course do not run the touted ~43 times~ risk any more than skilled and sober drivers run the same risks of causing or suffering vehicular death as do reckless or drunk drivers. Undiscriminating actuarials disregard and obscure the role of personal responsibility and choice, just as they disregard and obscure the role of socio-economic, criminological and other risk-relevant factors in firearm-related death. This is why we resent insurance premiums and actuarial consigment to risk pools whose norms disregard our individualities. Fortunately, nothing can consign us to the NEJM risk pool but our own lack of choice or responsibility in the matter. 4. Suicide accounts for 84% of the deaths by gun in the home in the NEJM study. As against the total deaths by gun in King County, including those outside the home, in-house suicides are 44% of the total death toll, which is closer to the roughly 50% proportion found by other studies. Suicide is a social problem of a very different order from homicide or accidents. The implication of the NEJM study is that these suicides might not occur without readily available guns. It is true that attempted suicide by gun is likely to succeed. It is not obviously true that the absence of a gun would prevent any or all of these suicides. This is widely assumed or alleged, but the preponderance of research on guns and suicide actually shows otherwise, that this is wishful thinking in all but a few truly impulsive cases. (See: Bruce L. Danto et al., The Human Side of Homicide, Columbia University Press, 1982; Charles Rich et al., ~Guns and Suicide,~ American Journal of Psychiatry, March 1990.) If suicides were removed from the dividend of the NEJM study~s risk equation, the ~43 times~ stat would deflate to ~six.~ The inclusion of suicides in the NEJM risk equation -- like the causes, durability, or interdiction of suicidal intent itself -- is a profoundly debatable matter. Quotations of the NEJM study totally disregard this issue. 5. Citations of the NEJM study also mislead regarding the estimable rate of justifiable and excusable homicide. Most measures, like the NEJM homicide rate, are based on the immediate disposition of cases. But many homicides initially ruled criminal are appealed and later ruled self-defense. In the literature on battered women, immediate case dispositions are notorious for under-representing the rate of justifiable or excusable homicide. Time~s January 18, 1993, cover story on women ~Fighting Back~ reported one study~s finding that 40% of women who appeal have their murder convictions thrown out. Time~s July 17, 1989, cover story on a week of gun deaths reported 51% of the domestic cases as shootings by abuse victims; but only 3% of the homicides were reported as self-defense. In a May 14, 1990, update, Time reported that 12% of the homicides had eventually been ruled self-defense. In Time~s sample, the originally reported rate of self-defense was in error by a factor of four. The possibility of such error is not acknowledged by promulgators of the NEJM statistic. 6. While both the dividend and the product of the NEJM risk equation are arguably inflated, the divisor is unconscionably misleading. The divisor of this equation counts only aggressors who are killed, not aggressors who are successfully thwarted without being killed or even shot at. The utility of armed self-defense is the other side of the coin from the harms done with guns in homes. What kind of moral idiocy is it to measure this utility only in terms of killings ? Do we measure the utility of our police solely in terms of felons killed -- as opposed to the many many more who are otherwise foiled, apprehended, or deterred? Should we not celebrate (let alone count ) those cases where no human life is lost as successful armed defenses? The question posed to media that cite the NEJM scare stat is this: Why neglect the compendious research on successful armed defense, notably by criminologist Gary Kleck (Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America , Aldine de Gruyter, 1992)? Kleck~s estimations of the rate and risk of defensive firearm use are based on victimization surveys as well as other studies: the rate is high (about one million a year) and the risk is good (gun defenders fare better than anyone, either those who resort to other forms of resistance or those who do not resist). Dividing one million gun defenses a year by 30,000 annual gun deaths (from self-defense, homicides, suicides, and accidents) yields 33. Thus, we can construct a much more favorable statistic than the NEJM scare stat: A gun is 33 times more likely to be used to defend against assault or other crime than to kill anybody. Of course, Kleck~s critics belittle the dividend of this calculation; what is good news for gun defenders is bad news for gun control. We should indeed question the basis and method of Kleck~s high estimation of defensive firearm use, as I have questioned the NEJM statistic. Clearly, the issue of how to manage mortal risks is not settled by uncritical citation of statistics. One thing troubles me still: we can hardly escape the unquestioned NEJM scare stat in our media, but we hardly ever find Kleck~s good work mentioned, even critically. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 3247,15,"From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu (Carol A. Bocher) Subject: Re:Major Views of the Trinity Lines: 28 Ann Jackson (ajackson@cs.ubc.ca) wrote on 5 May: >In article >Jim Green writes: >>Can't someone describe someone's Trinity in simple declarative >>sentences with words that have common meaning? >The answer to this question appears to be ""no"". I would like to submit the following which helped me enormously. If it has already been posted, I apologize. It seems that during the Middle Ages, it was customary for pastors to explain the Trinity to their parishoners by analogy to water. Water is water, but can exist in three forms--liquid, ice and vapor. Thus it is possible for one essence to exist in three forms. And recently, the pastor of my church drew an analogy, which I also found useful--A woman is often percieved by others in three ways, depending on their relationship to her--a mother, a wife and an employee in a business. Thus, it seems clear to me that the essence of God can subsist in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or, depending on one's particular need for Him. Carol Bocher " 3248,0,"From: yohan@citation.ksu.ksu.edu (Jonathan W Newton) Subject: Re: Societally acceptable behavior Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 35 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: citation.ksu.ksu.edu In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >Merely a question for the basis of morality > >Moral/Ethical behavior = _Societally_ _acceptable_ _behavior_. I disagree with these. What society thinks should be irrelevant. What the individual decides is all that is important. > >1)Who is society I think this is fairly obvious > >2)How do ""they"" define what is acceptable? Generally by what they ""feel"" is right, which is the most idiotic policy I can think of. > >3)How do we keep from a ""whatever is legal is what is ""moral"" ""position? By thinking for ourselves. > >MAC >-- >**************************************************************** > Michael A. Cobb > ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois > class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana > -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu > >With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 3249,13,"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics In-Reply-To: DEHP@calvin.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 18:12:14 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation <1qk708INNa12@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan) writes: In article <1qk708INNa12@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes: >You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a >Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an >ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply >it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth. I have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called Septra DS. He said it may cause GI problems and I have a sensitive stomach to begin with. Anybody ever taken this antibiotic. Any good? Suggestions for avoiding an upset stomach? Other tips? I've taken Septra. My daughter has taken it many times for ear infections. It works sometimes. It is a sulfa drug. About the only problem I found was that I'm sensitive and developed a rash after nine days of a ten day course. No more Septra for me. My doctor was remiss in not telling me to watch out for a rash. I was quite in the dark and didn't realize that it could be a drug reaction. No harm done though. Doug -- Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ " 3250,15,"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 40 >If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, >then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when it comes to their religion. Some take it to the extreme and say that their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings then you won't be ""saved"". It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim to know what God thinks/wants. Especially when it's based upon your interpretation of a book. The logic in the above statement is faulty in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be correct. It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike. No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer, meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the other is right. As an example, take the question, ""Is the glass half empty or half full""? You can have two different answers which are contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong. [If a person has what they believe is convincing evidence that God will save only Christians, it's hard to see how you can criticize them for arrogance for saying so. It could be that they're wrong. But I hardly see that it's arrogance. Let's look at this a bit closer. Suppose we had some combination of prophets and messiahs that taught us things, but didn't say anything about exclusivity. If we believe them, and then add ""and anybody who believes anything else is damned"", then you could well criticize us for arrogance. But in this case the exclusivity is in the message as it comes from the prophets, etc. So we could be wrong in believing it, but I don't see how we can be called arrogant. Maybe the world isn't a soft place. Maybe certain choices actually do have eternal consequences. I can see calling the Christian message arrogant, in a certain sense (though only in the same sense as calling the law of gravitation arrogant because it doesn't give us any option over whether we fall if we jump off a building). But not Christians for passing it on, given that they believe it. The complaints I can see making are (1) that Christians are wrong, or (2) that God is arrogant. --clh] " 3251,6,"From: tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.tripp) Subject: Airline Tickets -- O'Hare->Tuscon Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: Tickets - O'Hare->Tucson Round Tripp Lines: 29 Two Round-Trip Tickets O'Hare --> Tuscon American Airlines Good thru November No Reasonable Offer Refused, But lets start at $750 for both (Paid $925) Hopefully someone can use these as I have no use for them, and don't know a way to get my moneys worth without going to Tuscon again! ` E-Mail only at this time tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Now why would AT&T or Butler Services have anything to do with my warped ramblings?! Crabby-Old-Fart Mechanical/PCB Designer w/buku CAD background, & still working on BSCS is looking for work! Wants to take a shot at ASIC/IC Layout!! -------------------------------------------------------------- A.R.Tripp - a.k.a. tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com -------------------------------------------------------------- ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// " 3252,2,"From: steinark@edb.tih.no (Steinar Kleven) Subject: Re: Windows Help Nntp-Posting-Host: beta.edb.tih.no Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 38 Mario Veraart (mveraart@fel.tno.nl) wrote: : umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes: : >Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help. : >We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have : >Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build : >a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? : >Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an : >on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, : >would you help to point out what I would need to do it? : >-- : >Vincent Q. Yin : >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca : Hi, : If you have developed your own windows application you must have a : SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to : compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files. ****-------> No, U can download what??.zip from ftp.cica.indiana.edu This package from MS is all U need to buid (simple?) .HLP files from Rich Text Format Files (.RTF). This package also contains .DOT tamplates for MS Word4Win. : RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W. : If this is not the solution be more specific about your application. : Mario : -- : Mario Veraart TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory : email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl The Hague The Netherlands : ""If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, : and don't talk about performance"", David Bailey " 3253,10,"From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: TEAM POOL - Tabulations Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 40 Thanks for the 41 people who have entered this year's TEAM POOL. Here is a summary of what was picked: 1st Round: Pittsburgh 41, New Jersey 0 Chicago 40, St. Louis 1 Boston 40, Buffalo 1 Vancouver 30, Winnipeg 11 Calgary 27, Los Angeles 14 Detroit 26, Toronto 15 Washington 24, New York Islanders 15 (2 people picked New Jersey) Quebec 23, Montreal 18 2nd Round: Pittsburgh 38, Washington 2, New York Islanders 1 Boston 31, Quebec 6, Montreal 4 Detroit 21, Chicago 15, Toronto 5 Calgary 18, Vancouver 14, Los Angeles 8, Winnipeg 1 3rd Round: Pittsburgh 31, Boston 7, Quebec 2, Washington 1 Detroit 18, Chicago 11, Toronto 5, Vancouver 3, Calgary 2, Los Angeles 2 Finals: Pittsburgh 26, Boston 5, Detroit 4, Toronto 2, Quebec 2, Los Angeles 1, Chicago 1 Good luck to all! ******************************************************************************* * Mike Burger * My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario, * * mmb@lamar.colostate.edu * the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida * * A Beginning Computing TA Stud * four months a year. * * over 500 students served * --Royal Canadian Air Farce * ******************************************************************************* * University of Michigan - 1990 -- Colorado State University - 199? * ******************************************************************************* " 3254,10,"From: mdell+@pitt.edu (Michael G Dellinger) Subject: Re: Stop predicting Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr16.233148.9711@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: >On April 16, cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) wrote: > >C(--> It is really annoying to see all of these >C(--> predictions on the Net. Who really cares >C(--> who you think will win? Please stop with >C(--> the predictions, we all know the Caps are >C(--> going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. >C(--> > >Haa!!! That's one of the things I find **most** interesting in this >newsgroup. It's a good way of cluing into the ""collective wisdom"" of >the average hockey fans. That doesn't mean they're always right, >however. For example, the Habs are going to come out of the Adams and >hardly anyone believes that right now. > >- Jack > > * It's hard to be humble when you're perfect. Well, as long as we're being unduly cocky here, It's obvious that the Pens will cone out of the Patrick Division *not* the Caps, and also that they will win thier third Stanley Cup. ""Collective Wisdom"" is a very polite way of putting it, I don't know if I'd be so gracious. And, for what it's worth (Probably not much) I think the Habs will come out of the Adams too. Not new, Long absent, Mikey D. __ ***************************************************************************** Mike Dellinger Computer Lab Consultant Sutherland Hall Computer Lab and Grill University of Pittsburgh **************************************************************************** " 3255,17,"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 36 In article <93y04m18d459@witsend.uucp>, ""D. C. Sessions"" writes: |> Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement. As I |> understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all |> circumstances fair targets. Their opponents are legitimate |> targets only when Mirandized, or some such? |> |> I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori* |> that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing |> them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!). The |> corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that |> whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove |> themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them. |> |> This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers |> when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently |> rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing |> His Side. Of course, when it's different when the roles are |> reversed. |> |> --- D. C. Sessions Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the ""retaliatory"" shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My ""team"", you see, was ""playing fair"" while the opposing team was rearranging the faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the Lebanese terrorists. Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) " 3256,13,"From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 27 One thing that I haven't seen in this thread is a discussion of the relation between IBD inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty acids (FAs). I was diagnosed last May w/Crohn's of the terminal ileum. When I got out of the hospital I read up on it a bit, and came across several studies investigating the role of EPA (an essentially FA) in reducing inflammation. The evidence was mixed. [Many of these studies are discussed in ""Inflammatory Bowel Disease,"" MacDermott, Stenson. 1992.] But if I recall correctly, there were some methodological bones to be picked with the studies (both the ones w/pos. and w/neg. results). In the studies patients were given EPA (a few grams/day for most of the studies), but, if I recall correctly, there was no restriction of the _other_ FAs that the patients could consume. From the informed layperson's perspective, this seems mistaken. If lots of n-6 FAs are consumed along with the EPA, then the ratio of ""bad"" prostanoid products to ""good"" prostanoid products could still be fairly ""bad."" Isn't this ratio the issue? What's the view of the gastro. community on EPA these days? EPA supplements, along with a fairly severe restriction of other FAs appear to have helped me significantly (though it could just be the low absolute amount of fat I eat -- 8-10% calories). -Brian " 3257,17,"From: smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake In-Reply-To: dgannon@techbook.techbook.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 07:55:09 -0700 Organization: Applied Mathematics, Harvard University Lines: 15 dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: > THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE > > by Theodore J. O'Keefe > > [Holocaust revisionism] > > Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical > Review. Educated at Harvard University . . . According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to graduate. You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated anywhere. Steven Smith " 3258,4,"From: Vincent.Iannelli@launchpad.unc.edu (Vincent Iannelli) Subject: Accelerators for SE Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 8 The is a 3-4 week backorder, but they are shipping. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 3259,6,"From: dennisod@itx.isc.com (Dennis R. O'Donnell) Subject: McCartney concert tickets for sale Organization: Interactive Systems Keywords: dennisod Lines: 14 Four tickets available for the Paul McCartney concert at the Alamo Dome in San Antonio, TX on May 29th... GROUND FLOOR SEATS. Will sell all four, or in pairs: $100 each. E-Mail: dennisod@itx.isc.com " 3260,7,"Subject: Traffic Rules at intersections From: jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Julian Visch) Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury Nntp-Posting-Host: sss330.canterbury.ac.nz Lines: 20 I am presently doing a masters thesis to do with traffic intersections in New Zealand but a lot of the books I am researching from, are from America or Australia and so I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what the road rules are in either country with regard to intersections. Thanks Julian Visch jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz ________________________ ,---------+/ +----------+ \ / || | | | / || +----------+ | _________------=--> | | ______ | | ______ | [| / _--_ \ / | / _--_ \ ] \__|| -__- ||___/_____________/_____________|| -__- ||_____/ \____/ \____/ " 3261,13,"From: ns14@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers) Subject: Re: Analgesics with Diuretics In-Reply-To: dyer@spdcc.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:28:57 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ. Lines: 34 >>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:28:57 GMT, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) said: | In article Lawrence Curcio writes: |>I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that |>combine aspirin with a diuretic. | You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such. | The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual | syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and ""bloating"" simultaneously. | They're worthless. |>The idea seems to be to reduce |>inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work? | That's not the idea, and no, they don't work. I *believe* there is a known synergism between certain analgesics and caffiene. For treating pain, not inflammation. Now that I am an ibuprofen convert I haven't taken it for some time, but excedrin really works! (grin) Nathan | -- | Steve Dyer | dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer -- ......:bb|`:||, nathan@chemres.tn.cornell.edu ... .||: `||bbbbb .. ,:` .``""P$$$ .||. , . ` .`P$ " 3262,17,"From: ucer@ee.rochester.edu (Kamil B. Ucer) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering In article <1993Apr23.002811.22496@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes: >I've heard many Turks say this and it surpises me that they don't read about >it.Remember the Treaty of Sevres-as a consequence of being in the Axis powers >in WWI.The Turks UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW were supposed to look after their >minorities ie. Greeks,Armenians,Kurds(I must say Turk-Kurd relations are >improving slightly with time) and not pose a threat to Turkey's neighbours. >The Turks blatantly rejected this treaty(the Germans grudgingly accepted >Versailles which was a million times worse for the health and pride of the >German people).The Greeks who had an army there,were there with BRITISH >and FRENCH backing to enforce Sevres. > In possibly the first example of appeasement the Young Turk government >managed screwed the Treaty of Laussane out of the weak allies,this was after >the Greek forces were were destroyed at Smyrna.When this occurred incidently, >FRENCH warships were in the harbour and many Greeks trying escape swam to the >FRENCH warships and climbed aboard only to get their arms cut off by the FRENCH >as they clawed they're way up the sides of the ships. >Libertae,egalitae,fraternatae. It seems to me that you are the one who is supposed to do some reading. I think that our major difference in opinion is on the legitimacy of Sevres. First, thattreaty was signed by the Ottoman Empire therefore legally it does not bind the Republic of Turkey. The new independence movement (which by the way, is not the same as the Young Turks) naturally rejected it out of hand. to say that we should accept because the Germans did theirs is absurd. We saw what the cosequences of such harsh treaties were in Hitler. Second, the Sevres treaty was even worse than Versailles. It divided the Ottoman Empire in to several influence zones, had the capital occupied, the economy under Allied control, the army di minished to nothing but a police force, in short a country in name only. I'd wonder if you would like to live under such conditions. And for the record, I donot feel sorry for the soldiers killed in IZMIR harbour. Before evacuating the city, the Greek forces burned it down, so it serves them right. As for being fooled by Allied promises, that too is your fault. You did not come to Anatolia just to enforce Sevres but to take part in the plunder as well. K. Burak Ucer - " 3263,13,"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Keywords: Yes, SCIENCE, stupid! Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 75 In article homer@tripos.com (Webster Homer) writes: >mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes: > >>Here's your error. I really do think this shows some confusion on your >>part. (Drum roll please) Science isn't so much the gathering of evidence >>to support an ""assertion"" (read: hypothesis) as it is the gathering of >>empirical observations IN ORDER TO MAKE AN HYPOTHESIS. What should >>convince you (or not) shouldn't be the final product so much as *HOW* the >>product was made. >> >Here's your error. There is no observation or hypothesis that is not tainted >by theory. I have a theory, I make observations, those observations will be >made with my theory in mind. Yes, absolutely, though I'd make the observation in a more general sense of all observations are made by human beings and therefore made with various biases. But here your message leaves talk of hypothesis and gets back, once again, to equating the business of science with the end result, the gizmo produced. >Science works very well at developing theories >within paradigms, but is very poor at dealing with paradigm shifts. If I >develop a novel paradigm that explains homeopathy, chinese medicine, or >spontaneous combustion. If the paradigm is useful it will show me the way >to make observations that ""prove"" or ""disprove"" it. My point isn't so much whether or not you have a novel paradigm but *how* you come about developing it. >The paradigm of modern medicine is that the body can be reduced to a set of >essentially mechanical operations wherein disease is seen as malfunctions in >the machinery, essentially the old Newtonian model of the world. It seems >likely that theories based upon this paradigm do not give a complete >discription of the universe, medicine, healing etc... Indeed we now >recognize an important psychological component to healing. Perhaps you'd admit that this is an oversimplification on your part (the topic of the philosophy of science is made for them, I'm making them too) but I think that it also summarizes popular misconceptions of science and the business of doing science. Biomedical research doesn't make any basic assumptions that aren't the same as any other discipline of scientific research. That is, that you make empirical observations, form an hypothesis and test it. Modern medicine has much more to do with biochemistry than ""the old Newtonian model of the world"". And I doubt that many psychologists would appreciate being put outside this empirical ""world view"". Psychology also has more to do with biochemistry than spoon bending. >It is also important to distinguish reason from science. Science may be >reasonable, but so are many non-scientific methodologies. Aristotle reasoned >that frogs came from mud by observing one hop out of a puddle. Oversimplified, of course, but a good example. This is an empirical observa- tion. It was then tested, though perhaps not by Aristotle, and eventually found wanting. In the meantime, some folk will have continued to believe in the spontaneous generation of animal life. There's nothing at all surprising about this, it's the way the gathering of knowledge works. There are probably more than a few things in my own discipline of molecular biology that will be found to be totally off-base, even idiotic, to someone in the future. These future people won't have come to these relevations because they had suddenly gone all Zen-like and had a vision in an LSD trip. Someone will have thought of something new and tested it. This is the bit that people who seem to relish misrepresenting science and research can't seem to wrap their minds around. Science is a creative process. What I think of as factual and good research can be totally turned on its head tommorrow by new results and theories. Again, I think it gets down to defining what you mean by ""science"". I often don't recognize what it is that I do, and am involved in, in the way science is portrayed by popular media or writings of people in the humanities. They portray science as a collection of immutable facts, pronouncements of TRUTH in big gold letters. That's silly. Its as though we just go into the lab, turn over a stone, and come up with a mechanism for transcriptional regula- tion. Its much more interesting than that. It really is a very human process. " 3264,1,"From: capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 Lines: 16 In Ferdinand Oeinck writes: >I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double >point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. See: Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, ""A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves"", ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163. _______________________________________________________________________ ...Ron Capelli IBM Corp. Dept. C13, MS. P230 capelli@vnet.ibm.com PO Box 950 (914) 435-1673 Poughkeepsie, NY 12602 _______________________________________________________________________ ""There are no answers, only cross references."" " 3265,11,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Read the Constitution yourself. The Second Amendment says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, so a well regulated militia may be more easily formed. I have an interpretation of the Second that shows there are no qualifications to the right to keep and bear arms. If you want, I can E-mail it to you. By the way, gun talk belongs in talk.politics.guns. Doug Holland " 3266,5,"From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: > Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! > > Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation > of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've > finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. > I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() > is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the > Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory > pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: > (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or > (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! Using XPutImage, your source is maintained by the client and the destination is maintained by the server, thus you incur the overhead of transporting through whatever client-server communications mechanism you are using. Is it possible for you to maintain your source images in pixmaps? These are maintained by the server, so copying them into a window is much cheaper. Also make sure you are not sending any unnecessary XSyncs, or running in XSynchonize mode. -- -paul pmartz@dsd.es.com Evans & Sutherland " 3267,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Arrhythmia Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <1993Apr22.205509.23198@husc3.harvard.edu> perry1@husc10.harvard.edu (Alexis Perry) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.031423.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: >>doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused > Is it that serious? My EKG often comes back with a few irregular >beats. Another question: Is a low blood potassium level very bad? My >doctor seems concerned, but she tends to worry too much in general. The term arrhythmia is usually used to encompass a wide range of abnormal heart rhythms (cardiac dysrhythmias). Some of them are very serious while others are completely benign. Having ""a few irregular beats"" on an EKG could be serious depending on what those beats were and when they occurred, or could be of no significance. Low blood potassium levels probably predispose people with underlying heart disease to develop arrhythmias. Very low potassium levels are clearly dangerous, but it is not clear how much of a problem low-end-of-normal levels are: a lot of cardiologists seem to treat anyone with even a mildly low-normal potassium level. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 3268,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 14 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) says: > >Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco >to Seattle? And how much might it cost? Hmmmmmm....put your butt in the seat and follow the road signs? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 3269,14,"From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Re: Clementine mission name X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 27 Mark Prado >Please go just one step further: >How has the word ""Clementine"" been associated with mining? Old pioneer song from the 1850's or so goes as follows: ""In a cavern, in a canyon, Excavating for a mine, Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, And his daughter, CLEMENTINE"" Chorus: ""Oh my darling, Oh my darling, Oh my darling Clementine. You are lost and gone forever, Oh my darling Clementine."" I've also had it explained (but not confirmed from a reliable data source) that CLEMENTINE is an acronym. Something like Combined Lunar Elemental Mapper Experiment on Extended Non Terrestrial Intercept Near Earth. Personally, I think that acronym was made up to fit the name (if it really is an acronym). ------------------------------------------------------------------ Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor --- Maximus 2.01wb " 3270,16,"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 19 > From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin) > > >RM:Just a short thought: > >When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback > >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer > >""no, it's total amnesty"". > Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy > back' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty"" can > you get if you leave paper trail behind? In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver Nuggets basketball game. How traceable is a money order? (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years) Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen? Ron " 3271,12,"From: glenne@sr.hp.com (Glenn Elmore) Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 78 John Ackermann x 2966 (jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote: : My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 : to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just : wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. : I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there : are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. : My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back : end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm : particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any : current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a : normal IF filter can be used? : Any suggestions? : John What you describe is very close to what I built and described in the 10th ARRL Computer Network Conference proceedings. I built 10 watt FSK transceivers at 904 MHz. They are essentially double conversion transverters with digital mod and demod at 29 MHz. The receiver uses the MC13055 which is the same FSK receiver chip I used previouslyu in the 2 Mbps 10 GHz data link I first published in Ham Radio and which is now also in the ARRL handbook. The MC3356, which includes a VHF converter section, could also be used at these speeds. There is a newer and perhaps slightly improved design of this (the MC13056 if I remember rightly). While using this would have let me reduce the ""external"" IF count on receive, it didn't really offer all that much help on transmit so I didn't bother with it. The radios I built were first designed and built for 512 kbps in a 2 MHz channel but later reduced to half that. These 256 kbps radios actually have done quite well in across-the-bench tests at 384 kbps and speed is pretty much a function of filter design. Handling the data stream is another matter entirely. Some of the existing radios are currently deployed on hilltops in a ""beacon"" test mode. While there is not yet end-end two-way data flow due to lack of resources to debug software for the digital hardware (MIO also shown in the CNC proceedings), data is perfect copy at n6gn. Even though the data clock is currently at about half speed, the a 2+ kbytes of the test text (chapter 55 of Isaiah) takes only a little over 1/8 of a second. I've been hoping that someone would get interested enough to step in and get involved in writing code to make the whole thing usable (Borland IDE environment with remote debugging possible as mentioned in the proceedings) but to date a couple of us have been on our own and running low on resources of time, money and energy. If anyone in the SF bay area wants to check it out there is also a CW ID after the text on the mark side at 904.740 MHz from beacons on Sonoma Mtn and Black Mtn (overlooking Si valley). The antenna is horizontally polarized. I guess in retrospect my suggestions are that this is a fairly costly approach if the radios are intended for users rather than backbones and you might want to carefully consider your ""target"". If you can't arrange your paths such that you have complete line-of-sight I think you'll want to address the inter-symbol-interference caused by multipath and probably link C/N budgets if paths are very far from LOS. For more details, see the 10th CNC. I'm currently working on a spread spectrum, direct conversion design to address some of these problems. I'd be glad to help as I can with any design problems. 73 Glenn Elmore n6gn N6GN @ K3MC amateur IP: glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org Internet: glenne@sr.hp.com " 3272,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 30 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: > >I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my >*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention. > >Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we >get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or >how long it would take me to push my horn button?? If we do, I think you'd loose. Sure, you're hand's already on the throttle. And your thumb is already near the horn button. Pushing the horn button is one simple move. Revving the throttle requires either engaging the clutch, or accelerating. The first is a more complex manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright when there is a potential hazard ahead. Besides, the unique sound of a horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are on the road!). As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound safety procedure. The answer is 161.33 feet. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 3273,3,"From: dmoyer@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dan Moyer) Subject: Re: Motherboard and BIOs Nntp-Posting-Host: ccscola Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr6.152408.28341@news.unomaha.edu> hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes: >Can someone please tell me where can I get the best deal for Micronics or AMI >486-66 Motherboard with VL-BUS? You can reply to me thru e-mail or to this >group. > I purchased a Super Voyager VLB 33Mhz board from Washburn & Company a month ago. I don't have the mailing address-- Clyde Washburn advertises regularly in PC Week. He can also be reached via CompuServe. The phone number is 1-800-836-8027. I think Washburn has very competitive prices compared to other AMI distributers,plus I liked the fact he's a EE that knows what he's talking about concerning hardware, and he can be easily reached via CompuServe for non critcle questions, and is very informative to his customers over the phone. Regards Dan Moyer Dan.Moyer@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM " 3274,3,"From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) Subject: NEC P5200 Printer question! Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in? Lines: 14 I just picked up a second-hand ""color option"" for the NEC P5200 24pin dot matrix printer. Alas, there were no installation instructions, so I am totally confused on WHY it WON'T GO IN! Do I have to remove the actaual print head? It seems *almost* to fit, but not quite. Please... any info would be most appreciated! X-------------------+--------------+-----------------------X | | |\ |>jon@chopin.udel.edu<| ""For my 2 cents, | | \|on |/eutsch |>>-----------------<<| I'd pay a dollar"" | X------+--------------------+--------------------+---------X " 3275,16,"From: chrisb@natinst.com (Chris Bartz) Subject: Re: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX Lines: 26 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com> meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes: > (a) ESTABLISHMENT OF RIGHT. -- A person not pro- > hibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm shall have > the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use fire- > arms in defense of self, family, or home. So, you have the right unless the Federal Government says you don't. I don't think I like this very much. This would be much better if it said ""everyone except those who have been striped of this right by due process of law"" or some such thing. Also, I don't care for the Federal Government stepping on states rights regardless of which state right is being stepped on. If the constitution doesn't give the Feds some power then they have to just shut up about it. The only way the Feds should have anything to say is if the Constitution prohibits localities from infringing on the RKBA. In which case this bill should just reiterate that the RKBA is guaranteed by the Constitution and that the Feds will take appropriate action if it is infringed. -- -- chris bartz (chrisb@natinst.com) " 3276,7,"From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) Subject: Re: Trading in a car that's not paid for...Pointers Please Organization: TELXON Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 35 In article <49422@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes: > >I'm planning on purchasing a new car and will be trading in my '90 >Mazda MX-6 DX. I've still got 2 more years to pay on it. How does >that get taken into account when I purchase my new car? Does the >dealership pay off my car and add on the amount they had to pay to >the purchase price of the new car? someone please explain this to >me. If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the current payoff cost. If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the size of the loan you will need for the new car. The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio... > > -thanks > rhonda -- Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com P.O. Box 5582 | ""Usenet is like Tetris for people who still Akron, OH 44334-0582 | remember how to read."" (216) 867-3700 x3522 | -- J. Heller " 3277,11,"From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 29 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article >holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > > >> Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your >>crypto keys? I wouldn't. > >I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure. >Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . > >David > > >-- >David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of > our information, errors and omissions excepted. > > Ergo, if your life is sufficiently boring, you have no need for privacy? (This is not meant to be personal, just the logical conclusion of your statement.) -- -Tim Cuffel Finger for PGP 2.1 The CIA has admitted that the assassination of Saddam Hussien was one of their goals. They failed, of course. Seems as though that motorcade through downtown Dallas trick only works once. " 3278,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Let's build software cryptophones for over the internet... Lines: 92 Well, after a lot of trawling through archives, I found the post I reproduce in full below. Is it time to get together to develop a tcp/ip standard for crypto voice that we could then layer on point-to-point SLIP as *the* free standard for crypto voice like pgp is for mail? (PS Note the date of this post. Appropriate, huh? :-) ) --- From jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil Thu Jul 9 11:50:11 1992 From: jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Joe Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.compression.research Subject: Re: sound compression algorithms Date: 4 Jul 92 14:46:04 GMT Organization: The Great Beyond In article <1992Jun26.165210.15088@sequent.com> lff@sequent.com (Lou Fernandez) writes: >The techniques for production systems revolve around Code Excited Linear >Prediction (CELP) algorithms which capture 20 ms or so of speech and >attempt to match the speech with a combination of signals from a >codebook, choosing the combination which minimizes the error.... In case you'd like to experiment with CELP, you can obtain a software implementation of the 4800 bps Fed Std CELP coder for free: The U.S. DoD's Federal-Standard-1016 based 4800 bps code excited linear prediction voice coder version 3.2 (CELP 3.2) Fortran and C simulation source codes are now available for worldwide distribution at no charge (on DOS diskettes, but configured to compile on Sun SPARC stations) from: Bob Fenichel National Communications System Washington, D.C. 20305 1-703-692-2124 1-703-746-4960 (fax) In addition to the source codes, example input and processed speech files are included along with a technical information bulletin to assist in implementation of FS-1016 CELP. (An anonymous ftp site is being considered for future releases.) Copies of the actual standard ""Federal Standard 1016, Telecommunications: Analog to Digital Conversion of Radio Voice by 4,800 bit/second Code Excited Linear Prediction (CELP)"" are available for $2.50 each from: GSA Rm 6654 7th & D St SW Washington, D.C. 20407 1-202-708-9205 The following articles describe the Federal-Standard-1016 4.8-kbps CELP coder (it's unnecessary to read more than one): Campbell, Joseph P. Jr., Thomas E. Tremain and Vanoy C. Welch, ""The Federal Standard 1016 4800 bps CELP Voice Coder,"" Digital Signal Processing, Academic Press, 1991, Vol. 1, No. 3, p. 145-155. Campbell, Joseph P. Jr., Thomas E. Tremain and Vanoy C. Welch, ""The DoD 4.8 kbps Standard (Proposed Federal Standard 1016),"" in Advances in Speech Coding, ed. Atal, Cuperman and Gersho, Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1991, Chapter 12, p. 121-133. Campbell, Joseph P. Jr., Thomas E. Tremain and Vanoy C. Welch, ""The Proposed Federal Standard 1016 4800 bps Voice Coder: CELP,"" Speech Technology Magazine, April/May 1990, p. 58-64. For U.S. FED-STD-1016 (4800 bps CELP) _realtime_ DSP code and information about products using this code, contact: John DellaMorte DSP Software Engineering 165 Middlesex Tpk, Suite 206 Bedford, MA 01730 1-617-275-3733 1-617-275-4323 (fax) dspse.bedford@channel1.com DSP Software Engineering's code can run on a DSP Research's Tiger 30 board (a PC board with a TMS320C3x and analog interface suited to development work) or on Intellibit's AE2000 TMS320C31 based 3"" by 2.5"" card. DSP Research Intellibit 1095 E. Duane Ave. P.O. Box 9785 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 McLean, VA 22102-0785 (408)773-1042 (703)442-4781 (408)736-3451 (fax) (703)442-4784 (fax) -- ............................................................................. ; Joe Campbell N3JBC jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil 74040.305@compuserve.com ; ; My opinions are mine! Happiness = Reality - Expectations, Click & Clack ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 3279,1,"From: doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) Subject: 3D2 files - what are they? Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 12 I was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio meshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found a few files with the extension 3D2. My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type of file, so what are they? And of course, the perennial... Where are some meshes, fli files, etc. out there? I would have thought that someone would have collected a few and put them somewhere, but alas I am without this knowledge. mucho appreciato douginoz. " 3280,12,"From: fritzm@panix.com (Fritz Mueller) Subject: electronic parts in NYC? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 18 Hey all: I just moved to NYC and wondered if there are any electronics hackers out there who could point me to places in NYC that sell individual electronic components (switches, pots, transformers, caps, transistors, etc.) ""Radio Shack"" doesn't count (they have almost no selection, and their prices are outrageous!) I have particular interest in audio components (amplifier IC's, power MOSFETS, output transformers, tubes and tube sockets, pan pots, faders, etc.) I have checked out a lot of 48th street and Canal street so far with no luck. Am I missing places, looking in the wrong place, or do I have to resort to mail order? thanks in advance, --FritzM. " 3281,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Treatment of Armenians in Azerbaijan #1 Summary: Prelude to Events Today Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 223 DEPOSITION of VITALY NIKOLAYEVICH DANIELIAN [1] Born 1972 Attended 9th Grade Middle School No. 17 Resident at Building 4/2, Apartment 25 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] Really, people in town didn't know what was happening on February 27. I came home from school at 12 o'clock, being excused to leave before the last period in order to go to Baku. When we left, everything in town was fine. Life was the same as usual, a few groups of people were discussing things, soccer and other things. Then we got on the Sumgait bus bound for Baku for my first cousin's birthday, my father, my mother, and I. We spent the day in Baku, and on the 28th, somewhere around 6:00 p.m., we got on the bus for home, figuring that I'd have enough time to do my homework for the next day. When we were entering town, near the 12-story high-rises, our bus was stopped by a very large crowd. The crowd demanded that the Armenians get off the bus. The driver says that there are no Armenians on board; then everyone on the bus begins to shout that there are no Armenians on board. The group comes up to the doors of the bus and has people get out one by one, not checking passports, just going by the way people look. We get off the bus, but are not taken for Armenians. We set out in the direction of home. At first we were going to go into an old building where we knew there'd be a place to hide, but the whole road was packed with groups of people, all the way from Block 41 to the 8th Microdistrict. These groups were emptying people's pockets and checking passports. People who didn't have passports with them were beaten as well. Then we decided to go home instead. Near the 12-story high-rises I saw burning cars and a great many people standing around the driveways, yelling. ""Death to the Armenians"" was written on the cars. When we came into the courtyard--we live in an L-shaped building--it was still quiet. We went on upstairs, but didn't turn on any lights. We tried to call Baku to warn our relatives, who were due to arrive on Wednesday, not to come. Then there was a knock at the door. It was our neighbors, who advised us to come down to stay at their place. We went down to their place, and they led us to the basement. They live on the first floor and have a basement which you enter across the balcony. We sat in the basement while an Armenian woman was beaten--she ran away naked. Our neighbors' daughter said that that's right, that's what the Armenians deserve, because in Stepanakert, allegedly, people were being killed, 11 girls from Agdam had been raped. We didn't stay very long in the basement. We tried to support one another as best we could, looking out the small window with the iron grating. Papa watched and said things now and then. He said that there was a fire near Building 5, probably a car on fire. Then one of the groups approached our driveway and demanded that they be shown the apartments where Armenians lived. The neighbors said that there weren't any Armenians here, and the group set out for the other wing of the building. They appeared from the 5/2 side of the building, where, I later found out, a woman had been murdered. The woman who ran away naked died. Yuri Avakian was killed, too. When the crowd left, the neighbors said that it was all over and we could go home. We went back up to our place and again didn't turn on the light. We started to gather up our things in order to leave Sumgait for a while. We tried to call a relative who lived in Sumgait, but there was no answer. We decided she had already left. We sat at home. The phone rang, and the caller asked to speak with my father. I called him to the phone. It was Jeykhun Mamedov, from my father's work brigade. He said he was disgusted by what was happening in our town. He asked for our address and promised to get a car and help us get out of the city. To be quite honest, Papa didn't want to give him our address, but my mother got on the phone and told him. Some 15 minutes after the call a crowd ran into our entryway. Bursting into the building, they broke down the door and came into the apartment . . . They came straight to our apartment, they knew exactly where the Armenians were. They came into our place. We tried to resist, but there was nothing we could do. One of them took my parents' passports and began to read them. He read the surname ""Danielian,"" turned the page, read ""Armenian,"" and that alone was enough to doom us. He said that we should be moved quickly out into the courtyard, where they would have done with us. Another, standing next to him, pushed some of the keys on the piano and said ""your death has tolled."" They had knives and steel truncheons. I had a knife in my hand. Unfortunately, I didn't use it. I just knew that if I didn't give up the knife things would be much worse. They struck my parents and said that I should put the knife on the piano. Then, one of them commanded that we be taken outside. One person was giving orders. When we were taken outdoors I went in the middle, and my mother was behind me. Someone started to push her so she'd walk faster; I let her go ahead of me, and fell in behind her. When he tried to push me, I hit him, and at that moment they began beating my parents; I realized that resistance was completely useless. We are taken out into the courtyard, and the neighbors are standing on their balconies to see what will happen next. The crowd surrounds us. At first they strike me, and I'm knocked out; when I come to, they beat me again . . . I lose consciousness often . . . I don't see or hear my parents, since I was the first one hit and was out cold. When I come to I try to pick them up; they are lying next to me. The crowd is gone, the only people around are watching from their balconies. That's it. I try to pick them up, but can't. My left arm is broken. I start toward the drive, wanting to tell the neighbors to call an ambulance. The bodies of my parents are still warm. We were attacked at around 9 o'clock. I regain consciousness at about 11 and try to make it up the stairs home . . . When I knock at the neighbors' door, they push me back and tell me to go away. I go up to the third floor, our neighbor puts a damp cloth on my head and says she will call an ambulance; she sends her son off for one and takes me to our apartment. I often look out the window to see if the ambulance has arrived, but I can't see very far as a result of the blows, and it seems that my parents have already been taken away. Then I calm down and try to convince myself that they have been taken away, and everything will be OK. But they were still there. Later, at 8 in the morning as I found out, the ambulance picked them up, but they were already dead. If they received attention on time, it is possible they would still be alive. Later, around 12 o'clock on the 29th, policemen in civilian clothing come to our house with some ""assistants."" They call an ambulance, and 20 minutes later it arrives, and I am taken to the Sumgait Emergency Hospital. There they stitch the wounds on my head and rebind my arm. At 3 o'clock I and the other Armenians who are in the hospital are sent by ambulance to Baku. In my ward at the Sumgait Hospital there were five people, all of them Armenians. The hospital was nearly overflowing with Armenians. The only Azerbaijanis there were those whose car had flipped over before the events, before the 27th. Then I was in the Semashko Hospital in Baku. I was there 38 days. When I was released, on the 40th day, I found out that my parents were dead. At first they told me that they were in Moscow being treated, but later I found out that they were dead. My father's older brother told me. My father's name was Nikolai Artemovich Danielian. He was born in 1938. My mother, born in 1937, was Seda Osipovna Danielian. Papa worked at PMK-20, the leader of the roofing brigade; mamma was a compressor operator. They were also beaten on the head. The coroner's report stated that their heads were smashed open and bled profusely. At the confrontation I met Jeykhun Mamedov, who had called. As it turned out later, he had been the one who tipped the crowd off. He had called specifically to find out if we were at home and to find out the exact address and dispatch the group. He knew the phone number, but didn't know the address. Before the events I had never seen him, but had often spoken with him on the phone, when he would ask to speak with my father. I knew him by name. He denies that I was the one who answered the phone, saying that my father answered it. He denies that he called from a public phone, saying that he called from home, which also isn't true. I heard noise and the sounds of automobiles. As I later found out, earlier he had been convicted, but had never served any time--he had received a suspended sentence. He was about 20 years old. I don't know if he has since confessed or not. I am sure that he was the one who tipped the crowd off. One-hundred percent sure. My parents were from Karabagh. Father was from the village of Badar, and was two years old when his family moved to Baku, where his elder brothers were to go to school. He was a student at the Naval School, but never graduated. He went off to work on the virgin lands [one of the gigantic agricultural projects instituted under Khrushchev.] When he returned he lived in Baku, and later moved to Sumgait, helping with the town's construction. Mamma was from the village of Dagdagan, also from Karabagh. She worked in Sumgait, first in a bookstore, and later, on a construction site. My sister is older than I. She lives with her husband here in Karabagh. I always loved my parents. That was why I went on to 9th grade, because it was their dream that I would continue my studies. I finished 8th grade and wanted to enter the Baku Nautical School, and after that, the Military School. But later I changed my mind, or rather, my parents got me to recon- sider, saying that it would be better to finish the 10th grade and then join the Naval School. I was planning to be in the Navy almost my whole life long--since childhood I had dreamed of being a sailor. My father wanted it more than anything. He always recollected his youth, telling of the School, and he always said that he had made a big mistake in leaving it. Now I live in Karabagh and never plan to leave here. I will stay at the home of my grandfather, of my ancestors, till the end of my days. While in the hospital in Baku I learned the fates of many others who had suffered as well, like Ishkhan [Trdatov]. He managed to hold them off [at their residence in Microdistrict 3, Building 6/2, Apartment 6.] for a long time, lost his father [Gabriel], and by some miracle managed to survive. I also learned of Uncle Sasha, from Building 5/2, whose daughter was raped . . . Besides them, Valery--I forgot his last name--was in the hospital too, about a year younger than I, he went to School No. 14. He was riding with his parents in the car. People were throwing rocks at them, he was hit, and his parents brought him to the hospital, and he was in our ward. We even came to be friends. Before that we had just seen each other around town. But in the hospital we got to know one another better. I learned of the fates of others, those who had died, or who were befallen by misfortune . . . Today Suren Harutunian, the First Secretary of the Communist party of Armenia, was shown on television. To be honest I am glad that Armenia agreed to recognize Nagorno Karabagh as part of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic. I was repelled, no, revolted, to hear the Baku announcer who read the decision of the Azerbaijani Supreme Soviet Presidium against Karabagh becoming part of Armenia. After the events in Sumgait and those in Baku, the best solution is to give Karabagh to Armenia, return it to Armenia, since the people want to live peacefully with the Azerbaijanis, but everything has to be right before they can do that. I arrived in Karabagh on April 11. I felt very bad. I had constant headaches. After a while my strength returned. My older sister, Suzanna, took me in. I think that justice should prevail; the people are demanding their due. You can't take away what is their due. My parents and I often spoke of Nagorno Karabagh, often visited here--spent almost all of my vacations here. We had even decided that if Karabagh would be made part of Armenia, we would move here for sure. We always said that the Armenian people had suffered much, and that what had been done in 1921--removing Nagorno Karabagh from Armenia--was wrong. Sooner or later, mistakes should be corrected. And in order to correct a mistake, it must not be repeated; and the fate of all Nagorno Karabagh lies in the hands of our government. June 13,1988 Stepanakert -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 3282,10,"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL final standings Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] FINAL 1992-93 AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS NORTHERN DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF* Providence Bruins 46 32 2 94 384 348 56 Adirondack Red Wings 36 35 9 81 331 308 84 Capital District Isles 34 34 12 80 280 285 75 Springfield Indians 25 41 14 64 282 336 94 New Haven Senators 22 47 11 55 262 343 -- SOUTHERN DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF Binghamton Rangers 57 13 10 124# 392 246 91 Rochester Americans 40 33 7 87 348 332 86 Utica Devils 33 36 11 77 325 354 74 Baltimore Skipjacks 28 40 12 68 318 353 66 Hershey Bears 27 41 12 66 316 339 83 Hamilton Canucks 29 45 6 64 284 327 -- ATLANTIC DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF St John's Maple Leafs 41 26 13 95 351 308 90 Fredericton Canadiens 38 31 11 87 314 278 96 Cape Breton Oilers 36 32 12 84 356 336 82 Moncton Hawks 31 33 16 78 292 306 74 Halifax Citadels 33 37 10 76 312 348 67 *- Last year's point total #- League record total ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 3283,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] In-Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 23:50:03 -0500 Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers Lines: 36 In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. Hey, it's better than the status quo. I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and cordless phone calls. I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me ""disappeared"" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me. As for ""its better than the status quo"", well, first of all, you can get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and they are all working in overdrive mode. And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at least an incrememental improvement for certain applications... There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 3284,4,"From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 16 ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) writes: >In bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian >Buntan-1) writes: >>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding >>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 as the message ""fpu: >>optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all >>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they >>be so unclear about this issue in their price list? >Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together >the brochures and price lists weren't clear on the FPU issue. Perhaps the marketing people don't KNOW what an FPU is! -Terry " 3285,15,"From: Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 60 In article oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes: > >And the two simplest refutations are these: > >(1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. >I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that >the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other >contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain >being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection >is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years >after the supposed event. First, off I'd say that the impact if right before your eyes! 8-) That we are even discussing this is a major impact in and of itself. Further, the early church bears testimony to the impact. >(2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no >one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely >explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). >Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one >gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make >up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does >record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really >guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was buried begs the question. Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth, but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the body seems rather lightweight to me. As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is an argument that can be discounted. That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!? IHL, Gene -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 [Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario, and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling. --clh] " 3286,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Toyota wagons Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 9 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no aesthetic sense at all? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 3287,17,From: A1RODRIG@vma.cc.nd.edu Subject: What a HATE filled newsgroup!!!! Organization: Bullwinkle Fan Club Lines: 5 Is this group for real? I honestly can't believe that most of you expect you or your concerns to be taken remotely seriously if you behave this way in a forum for discussion. Doesn't it ever occur to those of you who write letters like the majority of those in this group that you're being mind-bogglingly hypocritical? 3288,9,"From: hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com (Jody Hagins) Subject: O's lose openr at home to Rangers Reply-To: hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com Organization: Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD Lines: 11 Sutcliffe gives up 3 HRs (Gonzales 1, Palmer 2) and Mills gives up 1 HR (Gonzales) to lose 7-4. Sutcliffe Texas 7 10 0 Lefferts 1-0 Baltimore 4 9 0 Sutcliffe 0-1 -- Jody Hagins -- hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD " 3289,9,"From: edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Distribution: na Lines: 41 In article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >Substituting irony for brains, (Bruce Klopfenstein) said: > >>dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: > >>> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we're comparing Alomar the individual with >>> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count. > >>I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don't >>count for anything. > >Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with >nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR? > >Most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the >batter did something good. I use the phrase ""happened to be"" advisedly. >Lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the >most ability to ""turn it up a notch"" in clutch/RBI/whatever situations, and >what they've found is that there is no evidence that *anyone* has such an >ability to any measurable extent. There are no clutch hitters. People who >tend to do things that *would* cause an RBI if there were somebody on base >end up getting RBIs proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by >being in position. > >>My mistake. > >I agree. > Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases, so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would not count then, either. My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) Ed O. " 3290,9,"From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford) Subject: Ryno correction Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 13 I made a mistake on the posted article [been fighting food poisoning for last 24 hours...] The second paragraph should state the following... ""Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball on a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand."" Sorry for the error, didn't know it until after posting. Jeffery " 3291,4,"From: John.M.Chung@dartmouth.edu (John M. Chung) Subject: PowerVision for PB's Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 10 X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu Hi, I'm in the market for an internal color video adaptor for my PB 145. I was wondering if anyone has used the PowerVision adaptor made by Mirror. If so, can you tell me how feel about the speed and compatability of it? I might also be interested in other boards by Envisio etc., so if you have such a board please e-mail your opinion of it. Thanks in advance. John " 3292,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: NHL team leaders in +/- Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 66 In <1993Apr5.185633.17843@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne >on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD. Winnipeg has a >lousy defensive record anyway. Let's put it another way. John Cullen's +/- >is terrible. What's your excuse for him? That his powerplay points don't >count? Neither do Selanne's... Are you comparing Cullen to Salami? I would say that that is valid. If Winnipeg is such a lousy defensive team then why the hell does Salami stand around the other team's blueline when the puck is in his own end? >>The object of the game is not to feed Selanne - it is >>to win. And feeding Selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way >>to winning. >Knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that >feeding Selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to >winning. Excuse me? Are the Jets playing .500 hockey? Let me check...yes - but just barely. They have allowed more goals than they have scored. Sounds an awful lot like Salami's +/- to me. Sounds like they would be just as well off - or better - if he played the solid two-way game that our friends in Finland claim he is capable of. But if he did that he wouldn't be chal- lenging for the league lead in goals would he? The Bi-Planes might be challenging for first however... >You're worried about Teemu when you have Glenn Anderson on your team? Now let's see...you have compared Timo to Anderson and Cullen. Who's next? Mike Foligno? >>We DON'T KNOW what Selanne does best. We do know what Jet's management >>wants. And again, the object of the exercise is not to allow Selanne to >>do what he does best, it is to win hockey games. >What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. Some of our Finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he can play a solid two-way game. I would have to say that this style of contribution would be more conducive to winning. Or don't you think so? >>As it is now, Selanne >>is a grandstanding goal suck. Did you see the way he parades around >>with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal? You would think the >>Messiah had returned... >Nope, didn't see it. I was too busy watching Foligno jump up and down after >_his_ goal.... I don't believe it! You did compare him to Foligno! (And I honestly hadn't read this far). It would help if you used a little discrimination in your thinking. Your contributions would be more highly valued if we could see that you weren't trying to be merely argumentative. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 3293,15,"From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 34 munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: >I am doing a dormitory bible ""discussion"" with my Christian roommate and >2 of the non-Christian guys on my floor. They are very close to >accepting Christ, so we have started to disciple them (treat them like >baby believers) and go into more indepth subjects than the parables, etc. >Our first discussion was on prayer. Eventually, we got around to how >we should pray in Jesus' name. Then, an excellent question came up, one >that I don't have a real answer to. The question was, ""If we need to pray >in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God >and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same >way now?"" I'll take a try at this... From the discussions I have been in, and from how *I* have interpreted the bible, I feel that one can pray either way. BUT remember this, before Jesus, the people talked to God (no other way) and he talked back. (audible and dreams, etc.) Today we have the bible to know Gods will, and we have his son you died for US. He was given as our savior, and while we still do things according to Gods will, we pray THROUGH his son. In the bible it says that if we are not known to Jesus, we are not known to God. (sorry I do not have the verses with me) So, if we are to be granted eternal life, we must present ourselves to Jesus first, who will then present us to God. Leonard -- =========================================================================== -This space intentionally left blank. " 3294,3,"From: kaul@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: Monitor for XGA News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 18 Reply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research In dhosek@jarthur.claremont.edu (D Hosek) writes: >What is the recommended monitor for XGA? Can I just use any old sVGA >monitor, or is something more needed? Mostly curious before I go blowing >a monster wad of cash on a new system. XGA or XGA-2? For the original XGA you just need something that can do 1024x768 at 45/90Hz interlaced (just tell them ""8514 compatible"" and they should get the idea). For the XGA-2, get what you like. I prefer multi- syncs like the IBM 6319, the NECs or even a fixed frequency monitor like my home Viewsonic 6. I like the Multisyncs because it's easy to run them in modes like 800x600x64k colors noninterlaced, or at higher modes like 1360x1024x16. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dick Kaul | My opinions only, not official IBM positions, etc-- IBM XGA Development | they'd make me wear a suit if I were to speak for IBM. Boca Raton, FL | ""Shhhh... The maestro is decomposing."" kaul@vnet.ibm.com " 3295,11,"From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (1 of 3) Supersedes: Organization: TMP Enterprises Lines: 1220 Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and posting, encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04 Archive-name: net-privacy/part1 Last-modified: 1993/3/3 Version: 2.1 IDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET ================================================ (c) 1993 L. Detweiler. Not for commercial use except by permission from author, otherwise may be freely copied. Not to be altered. Please credit if quoted. SUMMARY ======= Information on email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and posting, encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. (Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for next section.) PART 1 ====== (this file) Identity -------- <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? Privacy ------- <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? Anonymity --------- <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? PART 2 ====== (next file) Resources --------- <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? <4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? Miscellaneous ------------- <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? <5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? Issues ------ <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? <6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? Footnotes --------- <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? <7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? <7.3> Most Wanted list <7.4> Change history PART 3 ====== (last file) Anonymizing ----------- <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? * * * IDENTITY ======== _____ <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? Generally, today people's `identity' on the internet is primarily determined by their email address in the sense that this is their most unchanging 'face' in the electronic realm. This is your login name qualified by the complete address domain information, for example ``ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu''. People see this address when receiving mail or reading USENET posts from you and in other situations where programs record usage. Some obsolete forms of addresses (such as BITNET) still persist. In email messages, additional information on the path that a message takes is prepended to the message received by the recipient. This information identifies the chain of hosts involved in the transmission and is a very accurate trace of its origination. This type of identify-and-forward protocol is also used in the USENET protocol to a lesser extent. Forging these fields requires corrupted mailing software at sites involved in the forwarding and is very uncommon. Not so uncommon is forging the chain at the origination point, so that all initial sites in the list are faked at the time the message is created. Tracing these messages can be difficult or impossible when the initial faked fields are names of real machines and represent real transfer routes. _____ <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? The concept of identity is closely intertwined with communication, privacy, and security, which in turn are all critical aspects of computer networks. For example, the convenience of communication afforded by email would be impossible without conventions for identification. But there are many potential abuses of identity possible that can have very severe consequences, with massive computer networks at the forefront of the issue, which can potentially either exacerbate or solve these problems. Verifying that an identity is correct is called `authentication', and one classic example of the problems associated with it is H.G.Well's ``War of the Worlds'' radio broadcast that fooled segments of the population into thinking that an alien invasion was in progress. Hoaxes of this order are not uncommon on Usenet and forged identities makes them more insidious. People and their reputations can be assaulted by forgery. However, the fluidity of identity on the internet is for some one of its most attractive features. Identity is just as useful as it is harmful. A professor might carefully explain a topic until he finds he is talking to an undergraduate. A person of a particular occupation may be able to converse with others who might normally shun him. Some prejudices are erased, but, on the other hand, many prejudices are useful! A scientist might argue he can better evaluate the findings of a paper as a reviewer if he knows more about the authors. Likewise, he may be more likely to reject it based on unfair or irrelevant criteria. On the other side of the connection, the author may find identities of reviewers useful in exerting pressure for acceptance. Identity is especially crucial in establishing and regulating `credit' (not necessarily financial) and `ownership' and `usage'. Many functions in society demand reliable and accurate techniques for identification. Heavy reliance will be placed on digital authentication as global economies become increasingly electronic. Many government functions and services are based on identification, and law enforcement frequently hinges on it. Hence, employees of many government organizations push toward stronger identification structures. But when does identification invade privacy? The growth of the internet is provoking social forces of massive proportions. Decisions made now on issues of identity will affect many future users, especially as the network becomes increasingly global, universal, widespread, and entrenched; and the positive or adverse affects of these actions, intended and inadvertent, will literally be magnified exponentially. _____ <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? Your email address may contain information that influences people's perceptions of your background. The address may `identify' you as from a department at a particular university, an employee at a company, or a government worker. It may contain your last name, initials, or cryptic identification codes independent of both. In the US some are based on parts of social security numbers. Others are in the form 'u2338' where the number is incremented in the order that new users are added to the system. Standard internet addresses also can contain information on your broad geographical location or nationhood. However, none of this information is guaranteed to be correct or be there at all. The fields in the domain qualification of the username are based on rather arbitrary organization, such as (mostly invisible) network cabling distributions. The only point to make is that early fields in the address are more specific (such as specific computer names or local networks) and the later ones the most general (such as continental domains). Typically the first field is the name of the computer receiving mail. Gleaning information from the email address alone is sometimes an inspired art or an inconsistent and futile exercise. (For more information, see the FAQs on email addresses and known geographical distributions below.) However, UNIX utilities exist to aid in the quest (see the question on this). Common Suffixes --------------- .us United States .uk United Kingdom .ca Canada .fi Finland .au Australia .edu university or college .com commercial organization .org 'other' (e.g. nonprofit organization) .gov government .mil military site _____ <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody with a given email address? One simple way is to send email to that address, asking. Another way is to send mail to the postmaster at that address (i.e. postmaster@address), although the postmaster's job is more to help find user ID's of particular people given their real name and solve mail routing problems. The sysadmin (i.e. `root@address') may also be able to supply information. Users with related email address may have information. However, all of these methods rely on the time and patience of others so use them minimally. One of the most basic tools for determining identity over the internet is the UNIX utility 'finger'. The basic syntax is: finger user@here.there.everywhere This utility uses communication protocols to query the computer named in the address for information on the user named. The response is generated completely by the receiving computer and may be in any format. Possible responses are as follows: - A message `unknown host' meaning some aspect of the address is incorrect, two lines with no information and '???'. - A message 'In real life: ???' in which case the receiving computer could not find any kind of a match on the username. The finger utility may return this response in other situations. - A listing of information associated with multiple users. Some computers will search only for matching user IDs, others will attempt to find the username you specified as a substring of all actual full names of users kept in a local database. At some sites 'finger' can be used to get a list of all users on the system with a `finger @address'. In general this is often considered weak security, however, because `attackers' know valid user ID's to `crack' passwords. More information on the fields returned by `finger' is given below. More information on `finger' and locating people's email addresses is given in the email FAQ (such as the WHOIS lookup utility). Just as you can use these means to find out about others, they can use them to find out about you. You can `finger' yourself to find out what is publicly reported by your UNIX system about you. Be careful when modifying `finger' data; virtually anyone with internet access worldwide can query this information. In one amazing case, the New York Times writer J. Markoff uncovered the identity of R. Morris, author of the Internet Worm, through the use of an anonymous tip and 'finger'. See the book Cyberspace by K. Hafner and J. Markoff. _____ <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? Generally, identity is an amorphous and almost nonexistent concept on the Internet for a variety of reasons. One is the inherent fluidity of `cyberspace' where people emerge and submerge frequently, and absences are not readily noted in the `community'. Most people remember faces and voices, the primary means of casual identification in the 'real world'. The arbitary and cryptic sequences of letters and digits comprising most email addresses are not particularly noticeable or memorable and far from a unique identification of an individual, who may use multiple accounts on multiple machines anywhere in the world. Currently internet users do not really have any great assurances that the messages in email and USENET are from who they appear to be. A person's mailing address is far from an identification of an individual. - Anyone with access to the account, e.g. they know the password, either legitimately or otherwise, can send mail with that address in the From: line. - Email addresses for an individual tend to change frequently as they switch jobs or make moves inside their organizations. - As part of current mailing protocol standards, forging the From: line in mail messages is a fairly trivial operation for many hackers. The status and path information prepended to messages by intermediate hosts is generally unforgeable. In general, while possible, forgeries are fairly rare on most newsgroups and in email. Besides these pathological cases abve there are many basic problems with today's internet protocols affecting identification on the internet: - Internet mail standards, described in RFC-822, are still evolving rapidly and not entirely orderly. For example, standards for mail address `munging' or `parsing' tend to vary slightly between sites and frequently mean the difference between finding addresses and bouncing mail. - Domain names and computer names are frequently changed at sites, and there are delays in the propagation of this data. - Addresses cannot be resolved when certain critical computers crash, such as the receiving computer or other computers involved in resolving names into addresses called `nameservers'. - A whole slew of problems is associated with `nameservers'; if they are not updated they will not find name addresses, and even the operation of what constitutes `updating' has different interpretations at different sites. The current internet mailing and addressing protocols are slightly anachronistic in that they were created when the network was somewhat obscure and not widespread, with only a fraction of the traffic it now sees. Today a large proportion of internet traffic is email, comprising millions of messages. _____ <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? Some new technologies and standards are introducing facial images and voice messages into mail and these will improve the sense of community that comes from the familiarity of identification. However, they are not currently widespread, require large amounts of data transfer, standardized software, and make some compromises in privacy. Promising new cryptographic techniques may make 'digital signatures' and 'digital authentication' common (see below). Also, the trend in USENET standards is toward greater authentication of posted information. On the other hand, advances in ensuring anonymity (such as remailers) are forthcoming. See below. PRIVACY ======= _____ <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? Generally, while `privacy' has multiple connotations in society and perhaps even more on the internet, in cyberspace most take it to mean that you have exclusive use and access to your account and the data stored on and and directed to it (such as email), and you do not encounter arbitrary restrictions or searches. In other words, others may obtain data associated with your account, but not without your permission. These ideas are probably both fairly limiting and liberal in their scope in what most internet users consider their private domains. Some users don't expect or want any privacy, some expect and demand it. _____ <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? This is a somewhat debatable and inflammatory topic, arousing passionate opinions. On the internet, some take privacy for granted and are rudely surprised to find it tenuous or nonexistent. Most governments have rules that protect privacy (such as the illegal search and seizure clause of the U.S. constitution, adopted by others) but have many that are antithetical to it (such as laws prohibiting secret communications or allowing wiretapping). These rules generally carry over to the internet with few specific rules governing it. However, the legal repercussions of the global internet are still largely unknown and untested (i.e. no strong legal precedents and court cases). The fact that internet traffic frequently passes past international boundaries, and is not centrally managed, significantly complicates and strongly discourages its regulation. _____ <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? - `Theoretically' people at any site in the chain of sites with access to hardware and network media that transmits data over the Internet could potentially monitor or archive it. However, the sheer volume and general 'noise' inherent to this data makes these scenarios highly improbable, even by government agencies with supposedly vast funding and resources. - Technologies exist to `tap' magnetic fields given off by electrical wires without detection. Less obscurely, any machine with a network connection is a potential station for traffic detection, but this scenario requires knowledge and access to very low-level hardware (the network card) to pursue, if even possible. - A company Network General Inc. is one of many that manufactures and markets sophisticated network monitoring tools that can 'filter' and read packets by arbitrary criteria for troubleshooting purposes, but the cost of this type of device is prohibitive for casual use. Known instances of the above types of security breaches at a major scale (such as at network hubs) are very rare. The greatest risks tend to emerge locally. Note that all these approaches are almost completely defused with the use of cryptography. _____ <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? By default, not very. There are a multitude of factors that may reinforce or compromise aspects of your privacy on the internet. First, your account must be secure from other users. The universal system is to use a password, but if it is `weak' (i.e. easy to guess) this security is significantly diminished. Somewhat surprisingly and frighteningly to some, certain users of the system, particularly the administrator, generally have unlimited access regardless of passwords, and may grant that access to others. This means that they may read any file in your account without detection. Furthermore, not universally known, most UNIX systems keep fairly extensive accounting records of when and where you logged in, what commands you execute, and when they are executed (in fact, login information is usually public). Most features of this `auditing' or `process accounting' information are enabled by default after the initial installation and the system administrator may customize it to strengthen or weaken it to satisfy performance or privacy aims. This information is frequently consulted for troubleshooting purposes and may otherwise be ignored. This data tracks unsuccessful login attempts and other 'suspicious' activities on the system. A traditional part of the UNIX system that tracks user commands is easily circumvented by the user with the use of symbolic links (described in 'man ln'). UNIX implementations vary widely particularly in tracking features and new sophisticated mechanisms are introduced by companies regularly. Typically system adminstrators augment the basic UNIX functionality with public-domain programs and locally-developed tools for monitoring, and use them only to isolate `suspicious' activity as it arises (e.g. remote accesses to the 'passwd' file, incorrect login attempts, remote connection attempts, etc.). Generally, you should expect little privacy on your account for various reasons: - Potentially, every keystroke you type could be intercepted by someone else. - System administrators make extensive backups that are completely invisible to users which may record the states of an account over many weeks. - Erased files can, under many operating systems, be undeleted. - Most automated services keep logs of use for troubleshooting or otherwise; for example FTP sites usually log the commands and record the domain originations of users, including anonymous ones. - Some software exacerbates these problems. See the section on ``X Windows (in)security''. Indepedent of malevolent administrators are fellow users, a much more commonly harmful threat. There are multiple ways to help ensure that your account will not be accessed by others, and compromises can often be traced to failures in these guidelines: - Choose a secure password. Change it periodically. - Make sure to logout always. - Do not leave a machine unattended for long. - Make sure no one watches you when you type your password. - Avoid password references in email. - Be conservative in the use of the .rhost file. - Use utilities like `xlock' to protect a station, but be considerate. Be wary of situations where you think you should supply your password. There are only several basic situations where UNIX prompts you for a password: when you are logging in to a system or changing your password. Situations can arise in which prompts for passwords are forged by other users, especially in cases where you are talking to them (such as Internet Relay Chat). Also, be aware that forged login screens are one method to illegitimately obtain passwords. (Thanks to Jim Mattson for contributions here.) _____ <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? The most important privacy considerations are related to file rights, and many lapses can be traced to their misunderstood nature or haphazard maintenance. Be aware of the rights associated with your files and directories in UNIX. If the `x' (`execute') right on your parent directory is off for users, groups, and other, these users cannot gain information on anything in your directories. Anything less may allow others to read, change, or even delete files in your home directory. The rights on a directory supersede the rights associated with files in that directory. For a directory, 'x' means that access to the files (or subdirectories) in the directory is possible -- if you know their names. To list the contents of the directory, however, requires the 'r' right. By default most accounts are accessable only to the owner, but the initial configuration varies between sites based on administrator preference. The default file mode specifies the initial rights associated with newly created files, and can be set in the shell with `umask'. The details of rights implementations tend to vary between versions of UNIX. Consult man pages on `chmod' and `ls'. Examples -------- traver.lance % ls -ld ~ drwx------ 15 ld231782 1536 Jan 31 21:22 /users/ld231782/ Here is a listing of the rights associated with a user's home directory, denoted by `~'. The columns at the left identify what rights are available. The first column identifies the entry as a directory, and the next three columns mean that read, write, and execute rights, respectively, are permitted for that user. For directories, the `x' right means that contents (file and subdirectory names) within that directory can be listed. The subsequent columns indicate that no other users have any rights to anything in the directory tree originating at that point. They can't even `see' any lower files or subdirectories; the hierarchy is completely invisible to them. traver.lance % ls -l msg -rw-r--r-- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg traver.lance % chmod u=rw,g=,o= msg traver.lance % ls -l msg -rw------- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg Here the modes on the file `msg' were changed to take away rights from `group' and `other'. Note that `ls -l ' requires both the 'r' right to get the list of files and subdirectories, and the 'x' right to access the files and subdirectories in order to get their size, etc. For example, suppose the directory `foo' has rights dr--r--r--, the following is possible: ls foo These commands would fail independent of file rights: ls -l foo ls -l foo/file cat foo/file cd foo If the directory `foo' has rights d--x--x--x, the following are possible if it is known beforehand that `foo' contains an 'r' readable file named `file': ls -l foo/file cat foo/file cd foo The following commands fail: ls foo ls -l foo (Thanks to Uwe Waldmann for contributions here.) _____ <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? X Windows is the primary software developed by the MIT Athena project which is funded by U.S. government grants to develop applications to harness the power of networks in enhancing computational tasks, particularly the human-computer interface. The software implements a client-server interface to a computer via graphical windows. In this case the `client' is the application requesting or utilizing graphical resources (such as windows or a mouse) and the `server' is the machine that provides them. In many situations the client is an application program running on the same machine as the server. The great utility of X Windows comes from its complete dissociation of the client and server so that windows may be `broadcast' to a server at a remote location from the client. Unfortunately this dynamic power also introduces many deep, intricate, and complicated security considerations. The primary security and privacy issue associated with X Windows is that much more sensitive data may be sent over a network, and over wider regions, than in the case where the human is situated near the host computer. Currently there is no encryption of data such as screen updates and keystrokes in X Windows. Due to either intentional design decisions or unintentional design flaws, early versions of the X Window system are extremely insecure. Anyone with an account on the server machine can disrupt that display or read it electronically based on access to the device unix:0.0 by any regular user. There are no protections from this type of access in these versions. The problem arises because the security is completely based on machine addresses rather than users, such that any user at a `trusted' machine is himself trusted. Quoting from X documentation (man Xsecurity): > Any client on a host in the host access control list is allowed > access to the X server. This system can work reasonably well in > an environment where everyone trusts everyone, or when only a > single person can log into a given machine...This system does not > work well when multiple people can log in to a single machine and > mutual trust does not exist. With the access control list, the `xhost' command may prevent some naive attempts (i.e. those other than the direct-access unix:0.0 evasion); the syntax as typed on the host machine is ``xhost +[name]'' where [name] is the domain name or internet address of an authorized client machine. By default clients running nonlocal to the host are disabled. Public domain programs to disrupt a display momentarily (such as 'flip' or slowly mirror the screen image, or cause pixels to 'melt' down to the bottom) have been circulating on the internet among hackers for several years and played as pranks on unsuspecting or inexperienced users. Much more serious security breaches are conceivable from similar mechanisms exploiting this inherent weaknesses. (The minimal, easily-bypassed `trusted' security mode of `xhost' has been jokingly referred to as ``X Hanging Open, Security Terrible.''). New versions of the X Window system (X11R5 and higher) by default make server access as secure as the file system using a .Xauthority file and 'magic cookies'. Remote machines must have a code in the .Xauthority file in the home directory that matches the code allowed by the server. Many older programs and even new vendor-supplied code does not support or is incompatible with `magic cookies'. The basic magic cookie mechanism is vulnerable to monitoring techniques described earlier because no encryption of keys occurs in transmission. X11R5 also includes other sophisticated encryption mechanisms. Try `man Xsecurity' to find out what is supported at your site. Even though improved security mechanisms have been available in X Windows since ~1990, local sites often update this software infrequently because installation is extremely complex. (Thanks to Marc Vanheyningen , Jim Mattson , and Bill Marshall for contributions here.) _____ <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? By default, not very. The characters that you are reading are almost certainly encoded in ASCII, the American Standard Code for Information Interchange that maps alphabetic and symbolic characters onto numeric codes and vice versa. Virtually every computer system uses this code, and if not, has ways of converting to and from it. When you write a mail message, by default it is being sent in ASCII, and since the standard is virtually universal, there is no intrinsic privacy. Despite milleniums worth of accumulated cryptographic knowledge, cryptographic technologies are only recently being established that afford high priority to privacy as a primary criteria in computer and network design. Some potential pitfalls in privacy are as follows: - The most serious threats are instances of immature or unscrupulous system operators reading private mail in the `spool files' at a local site (i.e. at the source or destination of the message), such as a university. - System administrators may also release files to law enforcement agencies, but conventions and protocols for warrants involving computer searches have still not been strongly established and tested legally. - Note that bounced messages go to postmasters at a given site in their entirety. This means that if you address mail with an incorrect address it has a good chance of being seen by a human other than the recipient. - Typically new user accounts are always set up such that the local mail directory is private, but this is not guaranteed and can be overridden. - Finally, be aware that some mailing lists (email addresses of everyone on a list) are actually publicly accessable via mail routing software mechanisms. This `feature' can be disabled. Most potential compromises in email privacy can be thoroughly avoided with the use of strong end-to-end cryptography, which has its own set of caveats (for example, unscrupulous administrators may still be a threat if the encryption site is shared or nonlocal). See the sections on ``email privacy'' and ``email policies.'' _____ <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? As punishment or whatever, your system administrator can revoke certain `privileges' such as emailing, USENET posting or reading certain groups, file transferring, remote communications, or generally any subset of capabilities available from your account. This all is completely at the discretion of the local administrator and under the procedures followed at a particular site, which in many cases are haphazard and crisis-oriented. Currently there are virtually no widespread, uniform guidelines or procedures for restricting use to any internet services, and local administrators are free to make arbitrary decisions on access. Today punitive measures are regularly applied in various situations. In the typical scenario complaint(s) reach a system adminstrator regarding abuses by a user, usually but not necessarily preceded by complaints to the user in email, regarding that person's objectionable email or postings. `abusive' posters to USENET are usually first given admonitions from their system administrators as urged by others on the `net'. (The debate persists endlessly on many newsgroups whether this is also used as a questionable means of attacking or silencing `harmless crackpots' or censoring unpopular opinions.) System administrators at remote sites regularly cooperate to 'squelch' severe cases of abuse. In general, however, by tradition Usenet readers are remarkably tolerant of diverse views and uses of the system, but a colorful vocabularly of slang helps describe their alternatives when this patience is sapped: the options wielded by the individual user are to simply advance to the next message (referred to as ``hitting the `n' key''), or to `plonk' annoying posters (according to the Hacker's Dictionary, the sound a jerk makes at the end of a fall to the bottom of a kill file). In cases where punitive actions are applied, generally system administrators are least likely to restrict email. USENET postings are much more commonly restricted, either to individual users or entire groups (such as a university campus). Restrictions are most commonly associated with the following `abuses': - harassing or threatening notes, `email terrorism' - illegal uses, e.g. piracy or propagation of copyrighted material - `ad hominem' attacks, i.e. insulting the reputation of the poster instead of citing the content of the message - intentional or extreme vulgarity and offensiveness - inappropriate postings, esp. binary files in regular groups `mail-bombing': inundating mail boxes with numerous or massive files Major problems originate from lack of distinctions in private and official email or postings. Most users have internet access via accounts at businesses or universities and their activities on the internet can be construed as representative of their parent organizations. Many people put disclaimers in their `signatures' in an attempt dissociate their identity and activities from parent organizations as a precaution. A recent visible political case involves the privacy of electronic mail written by White House staff members of the Bush administration. Following are some guidelines: - Acquaint yourself with your company or university policy. - If possible, avoid use of your company email address for private communication. - Use a disclaimer. - Keep a low profile (avoid `flamewars' or simply don't post). - Avoid posting information that could be construed to be proprietary or `internal'. The following references are available from ftp.eff.com (see also the section on ``internet use policies''): /pub/academic/banned.1991 /pub/academic/banned.1992 --- Computer material that was banned/challenged in academia in 1991 and 1992 including USENET hierarchies. /pub/academic/cases --- This is an on-line collection of information about specific computers and academic freedom cases. File README is a detailed description of the items in the directory. /pub/academic/faq/netnews.liability --- Notes on university liability for Usenet. _____ <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? The public information of your identity and account is mostly available though the UNIX utility `finger' described above. - You have control over most of this information with the utility `chfn', the specifics vary between sites (on some systems use `passwd -f'). - You can provide unlimited information in the .plan file which is copied directly to the destination during the fingering. - A technique that works at some sites allows you to find out who is 'finger'ing you and even to vary the .plan file sent to them. - Your signature is determined by the environment variable SIGNATURE - USENET signatures are conventionally stored in the .signature file in your home directory. Providing less information on your online identity is more difficult and involved. One approach is to ask your system adminstrator to change or delete information about you (such as your full name). You may be able to obtain access on a public account or one from someone unrelated to you personally. You may be able to remotely login (via modem or otherwise) to computers that you are not physically near. These are tactics for hiding or masking your online activities but nothing is foolproof. Consult man pages on the 'chmod' command and the default file mode. Generally, files on a shared system have good safeguards within the user pool but very little protection is possible from corrupt system administrators. To mask your identity in email or on USENET you can use different accounts. More untraceable are new `anonymous posting' and remailing services that are very recently being established. See below. ______ <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? The requirements and screening for getting a system administration job (and thereby access to all information on a system) vary widely between sites and are sometimes frighteningly lax, especially at universities. Many UNIX systems at universities are largely managed by undergraduates with a background in computing and often `hacking'. In general, commercial and industrial sites are more strict on qualifications and background, and government sites are extremely strict. The system adminstrator (root user) can monitor what commands you used and at what times. S/he may have a record (backups) of files on your account over a few weeks. S/he can monitor when you send email or post USENET messages, and potentially read either. S/he may have access to records indicating what hosts you are using, both locally and elsewhere. Administrators sometimes employ specialized programs to track `strange' or `unusual' activity, which can potentially be misused. ______ <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? For the numerous reasons listed above, privacy should not be an expectation with current use of the internet. Furthermore, large parts of the internet are funded by the U.S. NSF (National Science Foundation) which places certain restrictions on its use (such as prohibiting commercial use). Some high-level officials in this and other government agencies may be opposed to emerging techniques to guarantee privacy (such as encryption and anonymous services). Historically the major threats to privacy on the internet have been local. Perhaps the most common example of this are the widespread occurrences of university administrators refusing to carry some portion of USENET newsgroups labelled as `pornographic'. The `alternative' hierarchy in the USENET system, which has virtually no restrictions on propagation and new group creation, is frequently targeted (although this material may appear anywhere). From the global point of view traffic is generally completely unimpeded on the internet and only the most egregious offenders are pursued. For example, verbatim transcriptions of copyrighted material (such as newspaper or magazine articles) are posted to USENET with regularity without major consequences (some email complaints may ensue). More astonishing to some is that currently significant portions of USENET traffic, and less so internet traffic, is comprised of sexually-explicit digitized images almost entirely originating from copyrighted material (newsgroups such as `alt.sex' regularly have the highest traffic). ______ <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? Some argue that the internet currently has an adequate or appropriate level of privacy. Others will argue that as a prototype for future global networks it has woefully inadequate safeguards. The internet is growing to become a completely global, international superhighway for data, and this traffic will inevitably entail data such as voice messages, postal mail, and many other items of extremely personal nature. Computer items that many people consider completely private (such as their local hard drives) will literally be inches from global network connections. Also, sensitive industrial and business information is exchanged over networks currently and this volume may conceivably merge with the internet. Most would agree that, for these basic but sensitive uses of the internet, no significant mechanisms are currently in place to ensure much privacy. New standards are calling for uniform introduction of `privacy enhanced mail' (PEM) which uses encryption technologies to ensure privacy, so that privacy protection is automatic, and may significantly improve safeguards. The same technology that can be extremely destructive to privacy (such as with surreptitious surveilance) can be overwhelmingly effective in protecting it (e.g. with encryption). Some government agencies are opposed to unlimited privacy in general, and believe that it should lawfully be forfeited in cases of criminal conduct (e.g. court-authorized wiretapping). However, powerful new technologies to protect privacy on computers are becoming increasingly popular, provoking some to say that ``the cat is out of the bag'' and the ``genie can't be put back in the bottle''. In less idiomatic terms, they believe that the spread of strong cryptography is already underway will be socially and technically unstoppable. To date, no feasible system that guarantees both secure communication and government oversight has been proposed (the two goals are largely incompatible). Proposals for ``registration'' of secret keys (by D. Denning on sci.crypt, for example) have been met with hot controversy at best and ridicule and derision at worst, mainly because of concerns for the right to privacy and objections of inherent feasibility. Electronic privacy issues, and particularly the proper roles of networks and the internet, will foreseeably become highly visible and explosive over the next few years. ANONYMITY ========= _____ <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? Simply stated, anonymity is the absence of identity, the ultimate in privacy. However, there are several variations on this simple theme. A person may wish to be consistently identified by a certain pseudonym or `handle' and establish a reputation under it in some area, providing pseudo-anonymity. A person may wish to be completely untraceable for a single one-way message (a sort of `hit-and-run'). Or, a person may wish to be openly anonymous but carry on a conversation with others (with either known or anonymous identities) via an `anonymous return address'. A user may wish to appear as a `regular user' but actually be untraceable. Sometimes a user wishes to hide who he is sending mail to (in addition to the message itself). The anonymous item itself may be directed at individuals or groups. A user may wish to access some service and hide all signs of the association. All of these uses are feasible on the internet but are currently tricky to carry out in practice, because of all the tracking mechanisms inherent to operating systems and network protocols. Officials of the NSF and other government agencies may be opposed to any of these uses because of the potential for abuse. Nevertheless, the inherent facelessness of large networks will always guarantee a certain element of anonymity. _____ <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? Anonymity is another powerful tool that can be beneficial or problematic depending on its use. Arguably absence of identification is important as the presence of it. It may be the case that many strong benefits from electronic anonymity will be discovered that were unforeseen and unpredicted, because true anonymity has been historically very difficult to establish. One can use anonymity to make personal statements to a colleague that would sabotage a relationship if stated openly (such as employer/employee scenarios). One can use it to pass information and evade any threat of direct retribution. For example, `whistleblowers' reporting on government abuses (economic, social, or political) can bring issues to light without fear of stigma or retaliation. Sensitive, personal, potentially damaging information is often posted to some USENET groups, a risky situation where anonymity allows conversations to be carried on completely independent of the identities of the participants. Some police departments run phone services that allow anonymous reporting of crimes; such uses would be straightforward on the network. Unfortunately, extortion and harassment become more insidious with assurances of anonymity. _____ <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? The chief means, as alluded to above, are masking identities in email and posting. However, anonymous accounts (public accounts as accessable and anonymous as e.g. public telephones) may be effective as well, but this use is generally not officially supported and even discouraged by some system adminstrators and NSF guidelines. The nonuniformity in the requirements of obtaining accounts at different sites and institutions makes anonymous accounts generally difficult to obtain to the public at large. Many communications protocols are inherently detrimental to anonymity. Virtually every protocol in existence currently contains information on both sender and receiver in every packet. New communications protocols will likely develop that guarantee much higher degrees of secure anonymous communication. _____ <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? One approach to `anonymizing' mail has been to set up an `anonymous server' that, when activated by email to its address, responds by allocating and supplying an `anonymous ID' that is unique to the person requesting it (based on his email address). This will vary for the same person for different machine address email originations. To send anonymous mail, the user sends email directed to the server containing the final destination. The server `anonymizes' the message by stripping of identification information and forwards the message, which appears to originate from the anonymous server only from the corresponding anonymous user id. This is the `interactive' use of anonymity or pseudonymity mentioned above. Another more `fringe' approach is to run a `cypherpunk' remailer from a regular user account (no root system privileges are required). These are currently being pioneered by Eric Hughes and Hal Finney . The operator runs a process on a machine that anonymizes mail sent to him with certain characteristics that distinguish it from his regular incoming mail (typically fields in the header). One has been implemented as a PERL script running on UNIX. Several of these are in existence currently but sites and software currently are highly unstable; they may be in operation outside of system administrator knowledge. The remailers don't generally support anonymous return addresses. Mail that is incorrectly addressed is received by the operator. Generally the user of the remailer has to disavow any responsibility for the messages forwarded through his system, although actually may be held liable regardless. These approaches have several serious disadvantages and weaknesses: - The anonymous server approach requires maintaining a mapping of anonymous ID's to real addresses that must be maintained indefinitely. One alternative is to allow `deallocation' of aliases at the request of the user, but this has not been implemented yet. - Although an unlikely scenario, traffic to any of these sites could conceivably be monitored from the `outside', necessitating the use of cryptography for basic protection,. - Local administrators can shut them down either out of caprice or under pressure from local, network, or government agencies. - Unscrupulous providers of the services can monitor the traffic that goes through them. - Most remailers currently keep logs that may be inspected. - The cypherpunk approach tends to be highly unstable because these operators are basically network users who do not own the equipment and are accountable to their own system administrators, who may be unaware of the use and unsympathetic to the philosophy of anonymity when the operation is discovered, regarding it as illicit use. - In all cases, a high degree of trust is placed in the anonymous server operator by the user. Currently the most direct route to anonymity involves using SMTP protocols to submit a message directly to a server with arbitrary field information. This practice, not uncommon to hackers, and the approach used by remailers, is generally viewed with hostility by most system administrators. Information in the header routing data and logs of network port connection information may be retained that can be used to track the originating site. In practice, this is generally infeasible and rarely carried out. Some administrators on the network will contact local administrators to request a message be tracked and its writer admonished or punished more severely (such as revoking the account), all of this actually happening occasionally but infrequently. See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. _____ <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? Anonymous servers have been established as well for anonymous Usenet posting with all the associated caveats above (monitored traffic, capricious or risky local circumstances, logging). Make sure to test the system at least once by e.g. anonymous posting to misc.test (however some operators don't recommend this because many sites `autorespond' to test messages, possibly causing the anonymous server to allocate anonymous IDs for those machines). See the ``responsibilties associated with anonymous posting'' before proceeding. Another direct route involves using NNTP protocols to submit a message directly to a newserver with arbitrary field information. This practice, not uncommon to hackers, is also generally viewed with hostility by most system administrators, and similar consequences can ensue. See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. _____ <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? As noted, many factors compromise the anonymity currently available to the general internet community, and these services should be used with great caution. To summarize, the technology is in its infancy and current approaches are unrefined, unreliable, and not completely trustworthy. No standards have been established and troubling situations of loss of anonymity and bugs in the software are prevalent. Here are some encountered and potential bugs: - One anonymous remailer reallocated already allocated anonymous return addresses. - Others passed signature information embedded in messages unaltered. - Address resolution problems resulting in anonymized mail bounced to a remailer are common. - Forgeries to the anonymous server itself are a problem, possibly allowing unauthorized users to potentially glean anon ID - email address mappings in the alias file. This can be remedied with the use of passwords. - Infinite mail loops are possible with chaining remailers. Source code is being distributed, tested, and refined for these systems, but standards are progressing slowly and weakly. The field is not likely to improve considerably without official endorsement and action by network agencies. The whole idea is essentially still in its infancy and viewed with suspicion and distrust by many on the internet, seen as illegitimate or favorable to criminality. The major objection to anonymity over regular internet use is the perceived lack of accountability to system operators, i.e. invulnerability to account restrictions resulting from outside complaints. System adminstrators at some sites have threatened to filter anonymous news postings generated by the prominent servers from their redistribution flows. This may only have the effect of encouraging server operators to create less characteristically detectable headers. Probably the least problematic approach, and the most traditional to Usenet, is for individual users to deal with anonymous mail however they prefer, e.g. ignoring it or filtering it with kill files. _____ <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? New anonymous protocols effectively serve to significantly increase safeguards of anonymity. For example, the same mechanism that routes email over multiple hosts, thereby threatening its privacy, can also be used to guarantee it. In a scheme called `chaining' an anonymous message is passed through multiple anonymous servers before reaching a destination. In this way generally multiple links of the chain have to be `broken' for security to be compromised. Re-encryption at each link makes this scenario even more unlikely. Even more significantly the anonymous remailers could be spread over the internet globally so that local weaknesses (such as corrupt governments or legal wiretapping within a nation) would be more unlikely to sacrifice overall security by message tracing. However, remailers run by corrupt operators are possible. The future of anonymous services on the internet is, at this time, highly uncertain and fraught with peril. While specific groups seem to benefit significantly from anonymous posting capabilities, many feel that unlimited newsgroup scope for anonymous posting is a disruptive and dangerous idea and detracts from discussions in `serious' groups. The introduction of unlimited group anonymity may have fundamental repercussions on Usenet conventions and distribution mechanisms such as moderated and `alt' groups have had in the past. For example, as part of new group creation, the charter may specify whether `anonymous' posting is (un)welcome. Nevertheless, the widespread introduction and use of anonymity may be inevitable. Based on traffic statistics, anonymous services are in huge demand. Pervasive and readily available anonymity could carry significant and unforeseen social consequences. However, if its use is continued to be generally regarded as subversive it may be confined to the underground. The ramifications of widespread introduction of anonymity to Usenet are still largely unknown. It is unclear whether it will provoke signficant amounts of new traffic or, instead of expansion, cause a shift where a greater portion of existing traffic is anonymized. Conceivably the services could play a role in influencing future mainstream social acceptance of Usenet. * * * This is Part 1 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days. Written by L. Detweiler . All rights reserved. " 3296,6,"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: Utilities for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 28 These utilities all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * PC TOOLS FOR DOS 8.0, best-selling utilities collections, includes DOS shell, antivirus program, backup program, disk defragger, memory optimizer, remote communications link, data protection and recovery utilities, appointment book, address book, and more, list $179, sale $80. * NORTON BACKUP FOR DOS 2.2, supports DOS 6, tape backup systems, and LANS, twice as fast as backup in DOS 6, highly automated and customizable, list $149, sale $65. * QAPLUS 4.7, top-rated DOS based systems diagnostics program, more comprehensive than anything included in DOS, Windows, or utilities collections, invaluable for determining sources of problems with RAM, video, drives, ports, keyboard, motherboard, joystick, mouse, speaker, and so on, list $159, sale $70. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us " 3297,12,"From: ianmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ian McPherson) Subject: Re: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode? Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 26 LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu wrote: : Distribution: usa : Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu : While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip : or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons -- : mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information : on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right' : way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let : me know?) : I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post, : but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think .. : thanx everyone! lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Hewlett Packard has a series of barcode decoder ICs HBCR-1800, HBCR-2000, and HBCR-2010 and they support 3of9 extended 3of9 interleaved 2of5 and UPC codes. The 2000 and 2010 pieces add codabar and code 128. These chips support HP's barcode wands and slot readers. An 1800 + a HEDS-3050 wand run about $150 CDN . Ian. " 3298,10,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.201745.840 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr6.195022.6362@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to >sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name) Linares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player defect first. >...Canada does not have the restrictions against >Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the >Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the >Blue Jays would do this. What a surprise. As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all teams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. > Cubans players would not have to defect >to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos >and Blue Jays without any trouble. Except that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 3299,4,"From: anthonyp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Pun) Subject: Re: Why HP printers rated so low? Article-I.D.: extro.anthonyp.735036446 Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes: >I'm about to purchase a laser printer for my Mac and I read the MacUser >Buying Guide special issue. All HP printers (except IIISI) are rated very low >compared to other noname bargain-priced printers. Why is that so? On the PC, >HP printers are THE standard amongst printer manufacturers. >PS: My personnal favorite -budgetwise- would be the IIIP. The IIIP has just been superseded by the 4M, which is the one I am using at work. The quality of the print is execellent, beating 300 dpi printers hands down. In Australia the price of the 4M is about comparable with that of the III-series, so HP are trying to get people to buy the new one !!! Anthony Pun anthonyp@extro.ucc.su.oz.au " 3300,7,"From: ae015@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Hui) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 19 One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is the Saturns ""no-dicker sticker"". This makes the Saturn's price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the Japanese cars. Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2 is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the SC1. Steve Hui " 3301,2,"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Ope Article-I.D.: agate.1pr6r2$t7c Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >ALL icons in Program Manager are aliases. Is that explicit >enough?? Apparently not. Many people complain about the confusion that results from the filemanager/progman split. It's just a basic flaw. Besides, what about the control panel icons? Where are all those little files? " 3302,4,"From: sml@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven M Labovitz) Subject: Re: Accelerator for SE Keywords: Accelerator, compatibility Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu I too am interested in peoples' experience with accelerators for the SE. Is an accelerator the best route to improve performace in my SE, or should I consider upgrading to an SE/30 motherboard? Obviously, buying a new mac would be ideal, but alas, I only have enough money for an accelerator or motherboard. E-mail reply preferred. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Labovitz Dept. of Materials Science & Engineering U. Penn " 3303,3,"From: sinn@carson.u.washington.edu (Philip Sinn) Subject: Need Info of Maxtor 340SY SCSI jumper ID setting. Summary: Jumper ID of Maxtor 340SY harddrive Keywords: harddisk, Maxtor Article-I.D.: shelley.1qusbtINNd9c Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I got a harddisk shipped with an IDE specification but not the SCSI spec. Would someone tell me how to set the jumper on the harddrive? Thanks. Please email response. Philip Sinn sinn@carson.u.washington.edu University of Washington " 3304,15,"From: lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Leonidas Hepis) Subject: Re: Prophecy on NYC Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 46 marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: In soc.religion.christian you write: >Regarding David Wilkerson's prophecies. While I'm not real sure of >his credibility, I do remember a book he wrote, called A VISION or >something like that. He made a prediction that people who bought gold >would be hurt financially. At the time, gold was up to about $800; >now it is less than half that. This prediction stuck in my mind >because a lot of people where I worked were buying gold. Note that the above type of prediction does not require a God to be made. An expert in a field can also predict things based on experience. Beware of predictions like ""The volcano will erupt tomorrow!"" Don't follow the preacher because of such statements that come true. Note also, that if I'm describing a (hypothetical) death of a friend as a result of his passion for fast motorcycles, I might say ""his mother predicted he would die."" Of course, his father may have said ""he 'll make good money because of his hobby"" and depending upon the final outcome of the situation I end up mentioning the one that's relevant. A reader down the road will get the impression that the mother or father had predicted accurately the event, when it was just a casual statement. Finally, on prophesies, note that there are many prophesies that can be fulfilled my people, often to fool believers. If I say, ""Beware, the terminal will unexpectedly be shut off!"" and then after 2 secs I turn it off (or have someone come out from another room and do it) there was no prediction. A similar situation arises with the establishment of the Jewish state. While pressing for it, prominent Jews argued that it was predicted that they'd have a state again, and that the time has come. (I've read this somewhere, but can't think of the source - if you can, please let me know.) In this case, the establishment of the state does not really fulfill the prophesy since the prophesy was used in order to push for the establishment of the state. Deciding what was truely a fulfillment of prophesy is very tricky. -leo -- ""My mother wanted to save herself until marriage. Every |Leonidas Hepis day I thank God that she didn't. Because without pre- | marital sex, I would never have been born. Premarital |lhep_ltd@uhura sex -- what a beautiful choice."" - Greg Weeks |.cc.rochester.edu " 3305,1,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Lines: 35 In article <1qnm6fINN8tr@tamsun.tamu.edu> brentb@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes: >tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes: >>rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: >> >>> Can you please offer some recommendations? >> >>It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain >>everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and >>hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht >>he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source. > >I think he wanted to avoid reinventing the wheel. Yes, I want to concentrate on other development issues - I've created graphics libraries before, it's too time consuming... life's too short! >> Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal >>can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can >>find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent >>choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be >>fast. > >Just to clarify, the 3D routines that are mentioned in various places >on the mac are in a libray, not the ROM of the mac. A few years ago before >I knew anything about implementing graphics, I came across a demo of the >Apple GrafSys3D library and it actually did a lot. However, it is quite >limited in the sense that it's a low-level 3D library; your code still has >to plot individual points, draw each line, etc ad nauseum. It has nothing >on GL, for example, where you can handle objects. Thanks for the clarification... Before posting my original request I had looked into the Mac's 3D capabilities and dismissed them as low grade. BobC " 3306,1,"From: ari@tahko.lpr.carel.fi (Ari Suutari) Subject: Any graphics packages available for AIX ? Organization: Carelcomp Oy Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: tahko.lpr.carel.fi Keywords: gks graphics Does anybody know if there are any good 2d-graphics packages available for IBM RS/6000 & AIX ? I'm looking for something like DEC's GKS or Hewlett-Packards Starbase, both of which have reasonably good support for different output devices like plotters, terminals, X etc. I have tried also xgks from X11 distribution and IBM's implementation of Phigs. Both of them work but we require more output devices than just X-windows. Our salesman at IBM was not very familiar with graphics and I am not expecting for any good solutions from there. Ari --- Ari Suutari ari@carel.fi Carelcomp Oy Lappeenranta FINLAND " 3307,7,"From: smartin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.c.martin) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 36 From article <1993Apr16.162950.25849@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger): > This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For > crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers > this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to > bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be > abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to > me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales > cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue > to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are > easy to intimidate. > A couple of months ago I went to a dealership to test drive a car. Afterwards, we sat down to discuss prices. I explained that I wanted a car just like the one I drove, but in a different color. He said he could get one exactly like I wanted from the dealer network within a day. We then negotiated a price and signed the deal. Next day, I get a call. He explains that they goofed, and they had neglected to take into account a price increase. (The last price increase had occurred over 4 months prior to my visit.) If I still wanted the car, I would have to fork over another $700. As an alternative, they would honor the price if I bought the car I test drove (which had been sitting around for 6 months and had a few miles on it). I said goodbye. This was a good example of how they can lowball you and still cover their butts. It's too bad more people don't demand honesty or these types of dealers would no longer be in business. The next dealership I went to was straightforward and honest. First thing the salesman said was, ""Lets's see what you have for dealer cost and work out how much profit I should make."" The deal went through with no problems. Steve " 3308,3,"From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) Subject: Mitsumi CD ROM drivers fix for QEMM Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 14 Reply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Just to let all you faithful Mitsumi CD Rom owners.... Ever notice QEMM can't load you CD Rom driver high? Ain't it a bitch? Well, you can call up Quarterdeck's BBS and get a hold of the new drivers that CAN be loaded high. Sorry , I don't have their # on me. :-( I tested them out and the seem to work great! -- _______ ________ ________ ""Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.) / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!"" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).( / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@tasha.poly.edu ( v ) /______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/ " 3309,0,"From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: I don't beleive in you either. Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr13.213055.818@antioc.antioch.edu> smauldin@antioc.antioch.edu writes: >I stopped believing in you as well, long before the invention of technology. > >--GOD > Don't listen to this guy, he's just a crank. At first, this business about being the ""one true god"" was tolerated by the rest of us, but now it has gotten completely out of hand. Besides, it really isn't so bad when people stop believing in you. It's much more relaxing when mortals aren't always begging you for favors. -- ZEUS " 3310,2,"From: gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams) Subject: Re: Many people on one machine Distribution: git Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 23 In <93111.154952CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET> CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET (Mark Woodruff) writes: >I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate >environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting >things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally, >I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for >less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around >depending on who wants to use the machine. You could use DOS 6 to do this partly. You can set up different config.sys and autoexec.bat commands for each user, and they just have to select their menu option on bootup. Then you can have the autoexec.bat copy the win.ini and system.ini files and change directories for them. When they exit windows, it can copy back generic .ini files if you want. This is the only way I can think of. There may be some programs somewhere that allow you to do this better, though using DOS 6 allows each person to have a custom config.sys and autoexec.bat. -- Greg Williams Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gw18 Internet: gw18@prism.gatech.edu " 3311,18,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 17 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >> From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification >>if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize >>alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from > >Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical >differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison >worthless. This meaningless statement makes YOU look bad. -- " 3312,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 114 In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >> Didn't you say Lucifer was created with a perfect nature? > >Yes. > Define perfect then. >> I think you >> are playing the usual game here, make sweeping statements like omni-, >> holy, or perfect, and don't note that they mean exactly what they say. >> And that says that you must not use this terms when it leads to >> contradictions. > >I'm not trying to play games here. But I understand how it might seem >that way especially when one is coming from a completely different point >of view such as atheism. > Take your foot out of your mouth, I wondered about that already when I was a Catholic Christian. The fact that the contradiction is unresolvable is one of the reasons why I am an atheist. Believe me, I believed similar sentences for a long time. But that shows the power of religion and not anything about its claims. >>>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability >>>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself), >>>but that would mean that God was in error to have make Lucifer or any >>>being with free will in the first place. >> >> Exactly. God allows evil, an evil if there ever was one. >> > >Now that's an opinion, or at best a premise. But from my point of view, >it is not a premise which is necessary true, specifically, that it is >an evil to allow evil to occur. > It follows from a definition of evil as ordinarily used. Letting evil happen or allowing evil to take place, in this place even causing evil, is another evil. >> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the >> presence of an omniscient being? >> >""Will"" is ""self-determination"". In other words, God created conscious >beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently >of God. All ""will"", therefore, is ""free will"". > The omniscient attribute of god will know what the creatures will do even before the omnipotent has created them. There is no choice left. All is known, the course of events is fixed. Not even for the omniscient itself, to extend an argument by James Tims. >>>If God is omniscient, then >>>clearly, creating beings with free moral choice is a greater good than >>>the emergence of ungodliness (evil/sin) since He created them knowing >>>the outcome in advance. >> >> Why is it the greater good to allow evil with the knowledge that it >> will happen? Why not make a unipolar system with the possibility of >> doing good or not doing good, but that does not necessarily imply >> doing evil. It is logically possible, but your god has not done it. > >I do not know that such is logically possible. If God restrains a >free being's choice to choose to do evil and simply do ""not good"", >then can it be said that the being truly has a free moral choice? >And if ""good"" is defined as loving and obeying God, and avoiding >those behaviors which God prohibits, then how can you say that one >who is ""not good"" is not evil as well? Like I said, I am not sure >that doing ""not good"" without doing evil is logically possible. And when I am not omnipotent, how can I have free will? You have said something about choices and the scenario gives them. Therefore we have what you define as free will. Imagine the following. I can do good to other beings, but I cannot harm them. Easily implemented by making everyone appreciate being the object of good deeds, but don't make them long for them, so they can not feel the absence of good as evil. But whose case am I arguing? It is conceivable, so the omnipotent can do it. Or it would not be omnipotent. If you want logically consistent as well, you have to give up the pet idea of an omnipotent first. (Deletion) > >Perhaps it is weak, in a way. If I were just speculating about the >ubiquitous pink unicorns, then there would be no basis for such >speculation. But this idea of God didn't just fall on me out of the >blue :), or while reading science fiction or fantasy. (I know that >some will disagree) :) The Bible describes a God who is omniscient, >and nevertheless created beings with free moral choice, from which >the definitional logic follows. But that's not all there is to it. >There seems to be (at least in my mind) a certain amount of evidence >which indicates that God exists and that the Biblical description >of Him may be a fair one. It is that evidence which bolsters the >argument in my view. That the bible describes an omniscient and omnipotent god destroys the credibility of the bible, nothing less. And a lot of people would be interested in evidence for a god, unfortunately, there can't be any with these definitions. Benedikt " 3313,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 41 Phill Hallam-Baker (hallam@zeus02.desy.de) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >|>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >|>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >|>>} >|>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the >|>>} insurance (it's a negative option, you have to explicitly decline >|>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ... >|>> >|>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more >|>>of their money taken from them to pay for others' health care... >|> >|>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is >|>voluntary > >Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of >collection effectively makes it a tax. Could it be because you're British, Phill, and living in Germany? While the EC working rules are more liberal than what we have in the 1989 US-Canada FTA, there's probably a law about that (having health insurance coverage is a condition of my being down here, for example). You have mentioned this once before, yet both the NY Times profile on the German sickness funds (late Jan.) and pamphlets that my girlfriend gives to her language students from the German consulate both say that it is ""voluntary"" (okay, there were quotation marks (-;) and that only 90% of the population is covered by the sickness funds (analogous to our provincial health insurances, but not divided by province/state). Another guy in health care policy says that the Turkish guest workers aren't covered ... he's written to me a couple of times (he's not a post-er). I'll ask him ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 3314,5,"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 43 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) |> |> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains |> Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item |> to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() |> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new |> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles |> ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care |> of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a ""proper"" way |> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is |> guaranteed to be mapped. |> |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? If I understand your problem correctly, you want to have a way to send exposures to your manager widget when your app-specific code draws xlib graphics on the window. It sounds like you might want to send an exposure using XSendEvent and specifying a region. If you know the region you need to send the exposure, generally you have the bounding rectangle of the objects, you can use XCreateRegion to create a region, XUnionRectWithRegion to add the new object polygons to the region, and then either use the region to clip your GC for the redraw or use XRectInRegion to test which of your other objects need to be redrawn. Keeping in mind that the stacking order of overlapping objects affects how they look. Hope it helps -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan " 3315,17,"From: osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: >Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in >Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial >waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of >Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters. So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul? Marek Osinski " 3316,1,"From: spl@dim.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) Subject: Re: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere. Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource Lines: 326 NNTP-Posting-Host: dim.ucsd.edu In article <4615trd@rpi.edu> deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) writes: > Hello, I know that this has been discussed before. But at the time >I didn't need to teselate a sphere. So if any kind soul has the code >or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it >was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very >appreciative. Here is one by Andrew ""Graphics Gems"" Glassner that I got from a collegue of mine. I think I fiddled with it a little bit to make it deal with whatever bizarre problem I was working on at the time but it is known to work. spl - - - - /* spheres ASG 9 Feb 85 spl Thu Mar 8 17:17:40 EST 1990 */ #include #include #define PI 3.141592654 struct Point_struct { double x, y, z; }; static double radius; static double xorg; static double yorg; static double zorg; do_sphere( r, freq, x, y, z ) double r; int freq; double x; double y; double z; { int pole; double northy, southy, poley; double rtheta, rtheta2, ntheta, ntheta2, magicangle; double theta, thetastart, thisy, den, t; struct Point_node *pnp; struct Point_struct p1, p2, p3, p4, n1, n2, n3, n4, pt; radius = r; xorg = x; yorg = y; zorg = z; /* north pole */ magicangle = 30.0*PI/180.0; northy = radius*sin(magicangle); southy = -radius*sin(magicangle); for (pole=0; pole<2; pole++) { if (pole==0) { poley=radius; thisy=northy; thetastart=0.0; } else { poley= -radius; thisy=southy; thetastart=36.0; } for ( theta = thetastart; theta < 360.0; theta += 60.0 ) { rtheta = theta*PI/180.0; rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0; p1.x = 0.0; p1.y = poley; p1.z = 0.0; p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta); p2.y = thisy; p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta); p3.x = radius*cos(rtheta2); p3.y = thisy; p3.z = radius*sin(rtheta2); if (pole==0) { /* make ring go the other way so normals are right */ pt.x = p3.x; pt.y = p3.y; pt.z = p3.z; p3.x = p2.x; p3.y = p2.y; p3.z = p2.z; p2.x = pt.x; p2.y = pt.y; p2.z = pt.z; } den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p1.x *= t; p1.y *= t; p1.z *= t; } den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p2.x *= t; p2.y *= t; p2.z *= t; } den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p3.x *= t; p3.y *= t; p3.z *= t; } subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq); } } /* now the body */ for (theta=0.0; theta<360.0; theta += 60.0) { rtheta = theta*PI/180.0; rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0; ntheta = (theta+36.0)*PI/180.0; ntheta2 = (theta+96.0)*PI/180.0; p1.x = radius*cos(rtheta); p1.y = northy; p1.z = radius*sin(rtheta); p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta2); p2.y = northy; p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta2); p3.x = radius*cos(ntheta); p3.y = southy; p3.z = radius*sin(ntheta); p4.x = radius*cos(ntheta2); p4.y = southy; p4.z = radius*sin(ntheta2); den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p1.x *= t; p1.y *= t; p1.z *= t; } den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p2.x *= t; p2.y *= t; p2.z *= t; } den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p3.x *= t; p3.y *= t; p3.z *= t; } den = (p4.x*p4.x)+(p4.y*p4.y)+(p4.z*p4.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p4.x *= t; p4.y *= t; p4.z *= t; } subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq); subdivide_tri(&p3,&p2,&p4,freq); } return; } #define norm_pt(v) { register double r = sqrt( ( ( v )->x * ( v )->x ) + \ ( ( v )->y * ( v )->y ) + \ ( ( v )->z * ( v )->z ) ); \ ( v )->x /= r; \ ( v )->y /= r; \ ( v )->z /= r; \ } subdivide_tri(p1,p2,p3,a) struct Point_struct *p1, *p2, *p3; int a; { struct Point_struct n1, n2, n3; struct Point_struct p12, p13, p23; double den, t; if (a>0) { p12.x = (p1->x+p2->x)/2.0; p12.y = (p1->y+p2->y)/2.0; p12.z = (p1->z+p2->z)/2.0; den = (p12.x*p12.x)+(p12.y*p12.y)+(p12.z*p12.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p12.x *= t; p12.y *= t; p12.z *= t; } p13.x = (p1->x+p3->x)/2.0; p13.y = (p1->y+p3->y)/2.0; p13.z = (p1->z+p3->z)/2.0; den = (p13.x*p13.x)+(p13.y*p13.y)+(p13.z*p13.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p13.x *= t; p13.y *= t; p13.z *= t; } p23.x = (p2->x+p3->x)/2.0; p23.y = (p2->y+p3->y)/2.0; p23.z = (p2->z+p3->z)/2.0; den = (p23.x*p23.x)+(p23.y*p23.y)+(p23.z*p23.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p23.x *= t; p23.y *= t; p23.z *= t; } subdivide_tri(p1, &p12,&p13,a-1); subdivide_tri(&p12, p2, &p23,a-1); subdivide_tri(&p13,&p23, p3, a-1); subdivide_tri(&p12,&p23,&p13,a-1); } else { n1.x = p1->x; n1.y = p1->y; n1.z = p1->z; norm_pt(&n1); n2.x = p2->x; n2.y = p2->y; n2.z = p2->z; norm_pt(&n2); n3.x = p3->x; n3.y = p3->y; n3.z = p3->z; norm_pt(&n3); /* nothing special about this poly */ printf( ""%f %f %f %f %f %f\n"", p1->x + xorg, p1->y + yorg, p1->z + zorg, n1.x, n1.y, n1.z ); printf( ""%f %f %f %f %f %f\n"", p2->x + xorg, p2->y + yorg, p2->z + zorg, n2.x, n2.y, n2.z ); printf( ""%f %f %f %f %f %f\n"", p3->x + xorg, p3->y + yorg, p3->z + zorg, n3.x, n3.y, n3.z ); } return; } -- Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 ""My other car is a car, too."" - Bumper strip seen on I-805 " 3317,14,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 16 on Date: 01 Apr 93 18:03:12 GMT, Ralph Buttigieg writes: /Why can't the government just be a tennant? Private commercial concerns /could just build a space station system and charge rent to the government /financed researchers wanting to use it. I believe that this was the thought behind the Industrial Space Facility. I don't remember all the details, but I think Space Services (?) wanted NASA to sign an anchor tenancy deal in order to help secure some venture capital but NASA didn't like the deal. (I'm sure I'll hear about it if I'm wrong!) Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics ""Man will not fly for fifty years"": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901 " 3318,17,"From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.152424.5899@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil.Idriss:) writes: > >Arab leaders don't have to cheat, they are actually allowed to have four wives. >Are you implying above that Arab leaders are gays? Aren't there Jewish gays too? Arab leaders are now following by Islamic rules? (Or is it only applicable in cases like this?) :- I remember an article of about a year ago which stated that besides his wife, Saddam also has a mistress. Assad's brother has a wife and *several* mistresses, and those 'emirs' in the Gulf have, within their lifetimes, wives in the double digitas (only they manage to keep four at a time). This is all irrelevant. It takes a *lot* more than infidelity to make these leaders ruthless and corrupt. Maybe Netanyahu thought he could 'cleanse' himself by making such a public confession. Does the average secular Israeli care, though? The Mossad probably applauded him. :-) .. .. .. . __. _ _ . . (_/|___(_|__|__(_|___(_:_) .. " 3319,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Lines: 14 Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the chips is well underway, and so forth. Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose to go ahead with it. Perhaps the NSA realised that *no-one* would even contemplate falling for the dual-escrow bluff while under the Bush administration and *had* to wait for a Democrat govt to con into promoting this because people *might* just believe they were honest. (Didn't work, did it? :-) ) G " 3320,19,"From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP were purged. Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records, anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered tainted evidence. The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd, the SA -- Sturmabteilung, ""Storm Troopers"" -- left the world a better place when they departed, but concrete particulars are still no more than more or less shrewd guesses. -- Diccon Frankborn " 3321,6,"From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) Subject: LD ext. floppy drive for MAC(extremely cheap) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 I have a brand new low density 5.25"" floppy drive for MAC. It comes with a brand new Apple Macintosh II PC drive card, so that you can hook the drive up to the card. It allows you to use DOS formatted disks. I am selling it for $90 (abt 1/3 retail price). Ailin 803-654-8817 buyers pay shipping. " 3322,8,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Flashing anyone? Keywords: flashing Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 29 behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >>Just before arriving at a toll booth I >>switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will >>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. >>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? > This sounds like a VERY good thing to do. I'll second that. In addition, I find my hazards to be more often used than my horn. At speeds below 40mph on the interstates, quite common in mountains with trucks, some states require flashers. In rural areas, flashers let the guy behind you know there is a tractor with a rather large implement behind it in the way. Use them whenever you need to communicate that things will deviate from the norm. >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike >Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name Is that ZX-11 painted green? Since the green Triumph 650 that a friend owned was sold off, her name is now free for adoption. How does the name ""Thunderpickle"" grab you? < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 3323,6,"From: fbaker12@jade.tufts.edu (Frederick A. Baker) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Distribution: na Lines: 8 This entire dispute over a chip has deluged this newsgroup with a lot of posts that have nothing to SELL. It all harkens back to a certain user's post of a month or so ago: STOP POSTING COMPUTER EQUIPMENT HERE!!! Save it for the computer.forsale newsgroups! If you don't GET the computer.forsale newsgroups, then ask your sysadmin. to try to subscribe to it at your location. Otherwise, knock it off! " 3324,12,"From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 35 hooperw@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Hooper) writes: > victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: > > >You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection > >that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I > >know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto. > >It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes > >just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models > >just don't react to it. > > Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with > a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled > with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good. > It sounds like your TV is one of the ones that also reacts to the video protection. (Poor you!) The Macroscrubber from Radio Electronics removes the protection so you souldn't have any more problems. However, if you use the method of copying it from one VCR to another where the second VCR doesn't react to the protection, you will end up with a duplicate tape, including the protection. One thought comes to mind about your problem... When playing the tape for viewing, are you feeding the signal from the source VCR through an extra device before going to the TV? If you feed it through a second VCR first, that is your problem. As to other devices such as converters, I don't know if they would react or not. Just to be safe, you might want to make sure that you have NOTHING between the VCR and TV. victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 " 3325,14,From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals) Subject: RE: Looking for a little research help Organization: Dynamic Graphics Inc. Lines: 6 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com Found it! Thanks. I got several offers for help. I appreciate it and will be contacting those people via e-mail. Thanks again... jennise 3326,8,"From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) Subject: Re: (tangentially) Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.035406.29988@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: impertinent stuff deleted > >Am I showing my Canadian University-ness here, of does anyone else know >what I'm talking about? > >I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV > got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca > ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada There you go again, you edu-breath poser! ""University-ness"" indeed! Leave that stuff to us professionals. Henry Prange biker/professional edu-breath Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405 DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215 ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2 The unifying trait of our species is the relentless pursuit of folly. Hypocrisy is the only national religion of this country. " 3327,2,"From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: RedRock Development Distribution: usa Lines: 1021 In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) writes: |Hi, everybody: | I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring |looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, |I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file |I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for |some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, |etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. | |Anyway could me give me some help, please??? | In response to a ""different"" kinda wallpaper, here's what I use. I think the original gif/whatever was called ""not_real"". The artist name and logo is in the lower right corner. You will need VGA I think, and I have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens. Use this in your Windows directory and do not tile it. Hope you enjoy. BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- begin 666 ntreal.bmp M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV M_@""3*1 4FJ) %D8"" )$$H @( $%5:@ X6XL .@@Y X9'P QP#',1@ )DUJ "",07@ [BZ\ 8H.C ,GH_P!2$%( 1A!2 "" $ !* M$$H .A!* $1?XP Q05( :A@( %I\F@!!,6( I""D0 $$I6@ !""20 4@]B ""DY M2 (('@ 2A ( ""F+BP#_T[4 01]2 'NHUP!:(', (C[+ #E1; M"" :SF4 M ! 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[...] One other recent book I would heartily recommend is Joseph Fitzmyer's _Response to 101 Questions about the Dead Sea Scrolls_ (Paulist, 1992). Fitzmyer is one of the preeminent modern NT scholars. He was also one of the early workers on the DSS. His book is written in a straightforward Q&A that allows it to serve as a source for a great wealth of clearly presented basic, up-to-the-moment information about the DSS. (This book is something of a companion volume to Raymond Brown's _Response to 101 Questions about the Dead Sea Scrolls_.) Nichael Pop Quiz: What's wrong with the cover of this book? ;) " 3329,6,"From: mrh@iastate.edu (Michael R Hartman) Subject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 36 In article xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) writes: >> I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend. > >> I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo. >> >I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels >were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the >cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.) > >If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio >originally costs, or even sold at all, >then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great. > >I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that >removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were >sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply. >-- The front covers should be available from Sony. Check with a local car stereo shop. You will probably (definitely) have to provide the units serial number and hopefully you had registered the warranty card. I don't know the cost, but replacements have to be available to people who damage the face cover, so it stands to reason that it can be replaced. As to deterring theft: When I worked for a stereo shop, we referred the customer to a Sony 800 number. We would not sell the face, nor did we have them available. Most people who came in asking for the face cover (or a pullout sleave for that matter) would look very disheartened to find that they acquired a deck they couldn't use. If theft occurs with these decks, notify Sony. Serial numbers do catch theives. Just a thought, Michael " 3330,6,"From: jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) Subject: Humminbird Depth Sounder forsale Keywords: sale depth Article-I.D.: cbnews.1993Apr6.173100.11729 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 34 Hi, I have a Humminbird HDR200 Depth Sounder for sale. It has been used for 1 season on my sailboat. All parts are included as well as the installation instructions. It is even packed in the original box it came in. There is no damage to the unit or the transducer. In fact, the transducer was mounted *inside* the hull in a piece of pipe glued to the hull. So it led a ""sheltered"" life. The transducer can be mounted either inside the hull as I did, or on the transom. It cannot be placed in a hole drilled into your hull. It is fully waterproof and fits into a 2"" hole in a bulkhead (that's where I had it installed) or into a standard dashboard on a powerboat. It reads depth to 199' and has a backlit LCD display. It has an adjustable shallow water alarm built in. I am changing out my instruments to another manufacturer that outputs the NMEA 0183 information. This little depth sounder works fine and is very stable. It is usually priced as low as 130$ in some catalogs, I paid 150$. The first 80$ takes it, or best offer. John R. Miller Catalina 22, #4909 ""Tinker Toy"" " 3331,6,From: bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) Subject: Re: UNIX PC Software for sale Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX login: guest) Lines: 1 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com 3332,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 35 In article <1r1f62$rh5@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of >security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. >This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to >deploy. I may be an anarchist nutcase, but I wouldn't have frothed overmuch had the government proposed a secure encryption standard. In fact, if the NSA had come up with a privacy chip rather than a wiretap chip, I would have been happy. They *could* have done this -- set up an ANSI committee, picked a secure cryptosystem, defined a protocol and interface, and said, ""Hey, start building them."" Instead we have a deliberately brain-dead version of a cryptosystem that has not even been peer reviewed. Yes, the NSA owns some smart people. But if they pulled a FEAL, well, AT&T is going to be left with a lot of dud phones on its hands. >Perry said: >> Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in >> exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? > >Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? Heh heh. The government already gave it up for us. Remember in the announcement they described this scheme as balancing the two extremes of having no privacy and claiming that citizens had a Constitutional right to encryption? So much for Clinton's support of the ""right of privacy"". PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail (void when prohibited) Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 3333,8,"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) Subject: Re: r.m split (was: Re: insect impacts) Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 30 / hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) / 2:02 pm Apr 2, 1993 / All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much. I propose we split off a new group. rec.motorcycles.nutrition to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread. -- | Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714 | DoD #207 AMA #573534 | | The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 | KotNML / KotB | | ""If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '92 VFR750F | | nekkid at all."" -Ed Green, DoD #0111 | '88 Bianchi Limited | ---------- What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-) Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, 350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3334,15,"From: vek@allegra.att.com (Van Kelly) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Lines: 39 According to what I have read on Biblical idioms, speaking ""in X's name"" is a standard Aramaic/Hebrew legal idiom for what we today would call Power of Attorney. A person from Jesus' culture authorized to conduct business ""in John's name"" had full authority over John's financial affairs, but was held under a solemn fiduciary obligation to work only for John's benefit and consonant with John's wishes. It was not required for the steward to preface each business transaction with ""in John's name""; it was sufficient to have valid power of attorney and be operating in good faith. (Note the overlap here between legal and religious definitions of ""faith"".) With this cultural background, praying ""in Jesus' name"" does not mandate a particular verbal formula; rather it requires that the petitioner be operating faithfully and consciously within an analogous ""fiduciary"" relationship with Jesus and for the purposes of His Kingdom. The message of ""praying in Jesus' name"" is thus closely aligned with the parable of the talents and other passages about God's delegation of Kingdom business to his stewards, both resources and responsibilities. This idea of praying ""in Jesus' name"" is not only present but prominent in the Lord's Prayer, although the verbal forumula is absent. The act of praying the words ""In Jesus' Name"" may be beneficial if they cause us to clarify the relationship of our requests to the advancement of God's Kingdom. For that reason, I'm not quite ready to say that the praying the formula is without meaning. Prayers to God for other purposes (desperation, anger, thanksgiving, etc.) don't seem to be in this category at all, whether uttered by Christian or non-Christian, whether B.C. or A.D. (that's B.C.E. or C.E. for you P.C. :-). I don't see anything in Christ's words to contradict the idea that God deals with all prayers according to His omniscience and grace. Van Kelly vek@research.att.com The above opinions are my own, and not those of AT&T. " 3335,0,"From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Subject: Nicknames Summary: was Re: New Member Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board Lines: 36 In article nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nanci Ann Miller) writes: >jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: >> Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people >> are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). >> Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time >> you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: >> Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. >> >> Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland > >Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the >GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on >the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am >a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of >nicknames for the frequent posters here! If the first rule of humor is never having to say you're sorry then the second rule must be never having to explain yourself. Few things are worse that a joke explained. In spite of this, and because of requests for me to post my list o' nicknames, I must admit that no such list exists. It was simply a plot device, along with me being the keeper o' the list, to make the obvious play on the last name of Fuller and to advance the idea that such a list should be made. I assumed that the ol' timers would recognize it for what it is. Nevertheless, how about a list o' nicknames for alt.atheism posters? If you think of a good one, just post it and see if others like it. We could start with those posters who annoy us the most, like Bobby or Bill. Jim ""D'oh! I broke the second rule of humor"" Copeland -- If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting, His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing " 3336,9,From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) Subject: Re: Mel Hall Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes: > >Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't >with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? > > Doug Dolven >-- >Doug Dolven >warped@cs.montana.edu >gdd7548@trex.oscs.montana.edu Mel Hall signed with a Japanese team. -Mike /mike@columbia.edu 3337,6,"From: his3rrb@cabell.vcu.edu (Robert R. Bower) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Expires: Sat, 15 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Lines: 19 Didn't McDonald's sell copies of ""Dances with Wovies"" for $7 not too long ago? They were also selling ""Babes in Toyland"" (the SCOTT BAIO version!) and something even more forgettable. Just think: video drive-thru........ ""I'll take a McRib, a McChicken, and a copy of Debbie Does McDallas to go"" ""Do you want fries and napkins with that?"" --Bob (his3rrb@caball.vcu.edu) ""After this post, I'm really going to start studying.......really..."" " 3338,14,"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: pushing the envelope Article-I.D.: rave.1psogpINNksq Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Distribution: world Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > flight tests are generally carefully coreographed and just what > is going to be 'pushed' and how > far is precisely planned (despite occasional deviations from plans, > such as the 'early' first flight of the F-16 during its high-speed > taxi tests). .. and Chuck Yeager earlier flights with the X-1... C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV " 3339,1,"From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Ray Knight (rknight@stiatl.salestech.com) wrote: :uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes: :>re: majority of users not readding from floppy. :>Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use :>CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked :>the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current :>didrectory? : Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or : TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2 : applications. Unfortunately, cview does not pay attention to the temp environment variable. Matthew Zenkar mz@moscom.com " 3340,4,"From: KSLOAN@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (DUNCAN M CHESLEY) Subject: Don't ""repair"" that sticky mouse button--CALL APPLE!!! Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST Lines: 52 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 ------ X-posted to comp.sys.mac.hardware and misc.consumers ------- You've heard about Apple's great new customer ""support"" program. Well, think again. Sometimes the only real support out there is what Apple computer users can give to each other. For another example, read on: In the March 15th issue of _MacWeek_, Ric Ford described a two-year effort by Liam Breck to document and bring to Apple's attention a problem with certain defective mice. At random, the switches on these mice ""stick"" in the down position until clicked a second time, apparently regardless of the machine they are used with or the system software involved. Most of the reported problem mice were manufactured in Malaysia and have an FCC ID of BCGA65431. You'll recognize this ""sticky button"" symptom immediately if you have such a mouse: the problem is intermittent, but it's not subtle. Liam Breck recently gave up trying to document this problem, and instead suggested that people contact Apple's Customer Assistance Center directly (_MacWeek_ 4/5/93 p. 64). When I called Apple on March 23rd and described my defective mouse, I was eventually given a case number (F83Y) and told Apple would replace this mouse even though it is a few months out of warranty. After waiting for three weeks, I called back today wondering where my new mouse was. This time, I was told that Apple had decided the serial number on my mouse (MB13831FC25) is not within the (undisclosed) range Apple is willing to replace, and there is nothing I can do about it. Nothing, that is, unless enough people complain about this problem to make it worth Apple's while to fix or replace the entire lot of defective mice. Please, if you have one of these mice, I NEED YOUR HELP! Don't assume you know what causes the problem (there are _lots_ of theories) and start hacking around inside your hundred-dollar mouse. Instead, let Apple do it. Please take five minutes to CALL APPLE RIGHT NOW at: United States 1-800-776-2333 Canada 800-665-2775 UK and Europe 33-1-49-01-49-01 Australia 61-2-452-8000 Japan and Pacific 81-3-5411-8500 If the number isn't toll-free, call collect. Describe the problem and ask for a replacement mouse. Even if they refuse, insist that they register the details of your case, including your mouse's serial number. Be firm. Network managers and user-group leaders especially, please query your user bases. Everyone ask your friends and colleagues. Please don't send mail to me or post yet another ""sticky-button"" report, CALL APPLE DIRECTLY! If enough victims take the trouble to report this well-known problem, Apple will eventually be forced to respond. If Apple continues to find it easy to stone-wall on this issue, don't expect them to offer support when the next, potentially more serious Mac defect is uncovered. -- Bill Sloan " 3341,0,"From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks Lines: 28 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >In <1qlapk$d7v@morrow.stanford.edu> salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) >writes: >>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike >Cobb) writes: >>>Theory of Creationism: MY theistic view of the theory of creationism, (there >>>are many others) is stated in Genesis 1. In the beginning God created >>>the heavens and the earth. > >> Wonderful, now try alittle imaginative thinking! > >Huh? Imaginative thinking? What did that have to do with what I said? Would it >have been better if I said the world has existed forever and never was created >and has an endless supply of energy and there was spontaneous generation of >life from non-life? WOuld that make me all-wise, and knowing, and imaginative? No, but at least it would be a theory. | __L__ -|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub | | o | kv07@iastate.edu |/ `---' Iowa State University /| ___ Math Department | |___| 400 Carver Hall | |___| Ames, IA 50011 J _____ " 3342,7,"From: zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean) Subject: Re: RFI: Art of clutchless shifting Organization: ARP Software Lines: 30 jong@halcyon.com (Barking Weasel) writes: >schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes: >>My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently >>wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, >>I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless >>shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some >>times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5. > > Sounds about right. I usually slip it out during throttle-down >and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right >(usually about a second) and then slip it into gear... So, how did you guys *learn* this? Is it something you were born with, or did you make horrible grinding noises the first few times? (how many times?) I would think you'd have to have a certain amount of ""feel"" for it to begin with. Some people would never get it, and others (like me) would never have the guts to try it, unless maybe you were planning to buy a new transmission anyway... (BTW, I've heard that quite a few truckers and race car drivers shift this way). ================== zaphod@madnix.UUCP (Ron Bean) uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod " 3343,11,"From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: RIPEM Frequently Asked Questions Content-Type: text/x-usenet-FAQ; version=1.0; title=""RIPEM FAQ"" Originator: mvanheyn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Supersedes: <1993Jan25.113427.28926@news.cs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 255 Archive-name: ripem/faq Last-update: Sun, 7 Mar 93 21:00:00 -0500 ABOUT THIS POSTING ------------------ This is a (still rather rough) listing of likely questions and information about RIPEM, a program for public key mail encryption. It (this FAQ, not RIPEM) was written and will be maintained by Marc VanHeyningen, . It will be posted to a variety of newsgroups on a monthly basis; follow-up discussion specific to RIPEM is redirected to the group alt.security.ripem. This month, I have reformatted this posting in an attempt to comply with the standards for HyperText FAQ formatting to allow easy manipulation of this document over the World Wide Web. Let me know what you think. DISCLAIMER ---------- Nothing in this FAQ should be considered legal advice, or anything other than one person's opinion. If you want real legal advice, talk to a real lawyer. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS --------------------- 1) What is RIPEM? RIPEM is a program which performs Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) using the cryptographic techniques of RSA and DES. It allows your electronic mail to have the properties of authentication (i.e. who sent it can be confirmed) and privacy (i.e. nobody can read it except the intended recipient.) RIPEM was written primarily by Mark Riordan . Most of the code is in the public domain, except for the RSA routines, which are a library called RSAREF licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. 2) How can I get RIPEM? RIPEM contains the library of cryptographic routines RSAREF, which is considered munitions and thus is export-restricted from distribution to people who are not citizens or permanent residents of the U.S. or Canada. Therefore, the following request is quoted from the README file: #Please do not export the cryptographic code in this distribution #outside of the USA or Canada. This is a personal request from me, #the author of RIPEM, and a condition of your use of RIPEM. Note that RSAREF is not in the public domain, and a license for it is included with the distribution. You should read it before using RIPEM. The best way to get it is to ask a friend for a copy, since this will reduce the load on those sites that do carry it (not to mention the humans that run them.) Naturally this requires that you trust the friend. RIPEM is available via anonymous FTP to citizens and permanent residents in the U.S. from rsa.com; cd to rsaref/ and read the README file for info. Last I looked, this site contains only the source tree, and does not contain compiled binaries or the nice Mac version. RIPEM, as well as some other crypt stuff, has its ""home site"" on rpub.cl.msu.edu, which is open to non-anonymous FTP for users in the U.S. and Canada who are citizens or permanent residents. To find out how to obtain access, ftp there, cd to pub/crypt/, and read the file GETTING_ACCESS. For convenience, binaries for many architectures are available here in addition to the full source tree. 3) Will RIPEM run on my machine? Probably. It has already been ported to MS-DOS and most flavors of Unix (SunOS, NeXT, Linux, AIX, ULTRIX, Solaris, etc.) Ports to Macintosh include a standard UNIX-style port and a rather nice Mac-like port written by Raymond Lau, author of StuffIt. More ports are expected, and help of users is invited. 4) Will RIPEM work with my mailer? Probably. How easy and clean the effective interface is will depend on the sophistication and modularity of the mailer, though. The users guide, included with the distribution, discusses ways to use RIPEM with many popular mailers, including Berkeley, mush, Elm, and MH. Code is also included in elisp to allow easy use of RIPEM inside GNU Emacs. If you make a new interface for RIPEM or create an improvement on one in the distribution which you believe is convenient to use, secure, and may be useful to others, feel free to post it to alt.security.ripem. 5) What is RSA? RSA is a crypto system which is asymmetric, or public-key. This means that there are two different, related keys: one to encrypt and one to decrypt. Because one cannot (reasonably) be derived from the other, you may publish your encryption, or public key widely and keep your decryption, or private key to yourself. Anyone can use your public key to encrypt a message, but only you hold the private key needed to decrypt it. (Note that the ""message"" sent with RSA is normally just the DES key to the real message. (See ""What is DES?"") Note that the above only provides for privacy. For authentication, the fingerprint of the message (See ""What is a fingerprint, like MD5?"") is encrypted with the sender's private key. The recipient can use the sender's public key to decrypt it and confirm that the message must have come from the sender. RSA was named for the three men (Rivest, Shamir and Adleman) who invented it. To find out more about RSA, ftp to rsa.com and look in pub/faq/ or look in sci.crypt. 6) What is DES? DES is the Data Encryption Standard, a widely used symmetric, or secret-key, crypto system. Unlike RSA, DES uses the same key to encrypt and decrypt messages. However, DES is much faster than RSA. RIPEM uses both DES and RSA; it generates a random key and encrypts your mail with DES using that key. It then encrypts that key with the recipient's public RSA key and includes the result in the letter, allowing the recipient to recover the DES key. DES is sometimes considered weak because it is somewhat old and uses a key length considered too short by modern standards. However, it should be reasonably safe against an opponent smaller than a large corporation or government agency. It is not unlikely that future RIPEMs will strengthen the symmetric cipher, possibly by using multiple encryption with DES. 7) What is PEM, and how does RIPEM relate? PEM is Privacy Enhanced Mail, a system for allowing easy transfer of encrypted electronic mail. It is described in RFCs 1421-1424; these documents have been approved and obsolete the old RFCs 1113-1115. RIPEM is not really a complete implementation of PEM, because PEM specifies certificates for authenticating keys, which RIPEM does not handle at this time. Their addition is planned. 8) What's this about distributing and authenticating keys? For a remote user to be able to send secure mail to you, she must know your public key. For you to be able to confirm that the message received came from her, you must know her public key. It is important that this information be accurate; if a ""bad guy"" convinces her that his key is in fact yours, she will send messages which he can read. RIPEM allows for three methods of key management: a central server, the distributed finger servers, and a flat file. All three are described in the RIPEM users guide which is part of the distribution. None of them provide perfect security. 9) Why do all RIPEM public keys look very similar? RIPEM public keys begin with a PKCS identifier describing various characteristics about the key, so the first bunch of characters in your key may be the same as those of lots of other people's keys. This does not mean your keys are similar, but only that they are the same class of key, were generated with the same program, are of the same length, etc. 10) What is a fingerprint, like MD5? MD5 is a message digest algorithm produced by RSA Data Security Inc. It provides a 128-bit fingerprint, or cryptographically secure hash, of the plaintext. It is cryptographically secure because it is not possible (in a reasonable amount of computation) to produce a different plaintext which produces the same fingerprint. Thus, instead of signing the entire message with the sender's private key, only the MD5 of the message needs to be signed for authentication. MD5 is sometimes used for other purposes; for example, it is often used to map an input of arbitrary length to 128 bits of data, as a passphrase interpreter or cookie generator. MD5 is described in its entirety (including an implementation in C) in RFC 1321. 11) What is PGP? PGP is another cryptographic mail program called Pretty Good Privacy. PGP has been around longer than RIPEM, and works somewhat differently. PGP is not compatible with RIPEM in any way, though PGP does also use RSA. Some major differences between PGP and RIPEM: - PGP has more key management features, particularly for users without a direct network connection. - RIPEM conforms to the PEM RFCs and thus has a greater probability of working with other PEM software. PGP makes no attempt to be compatible with anything other than PGP (in fact, PGP 1.0 is not compatible with PGP 2.0.) - RIPEM uses RSAREF, a library of RSA routines from RSA Data Security Inc. RSAREF comes with a license which allows noncommercial use. PGP uses its own implementation of RSA which is not licensed; thus, PKP, the firm holding the U.S. patents on the RSA algorithm, claims that it is a infringement of that patent to make, use or sell PGP in the U.S. or Canada. In acknowledgement of this, PGP's original author, Phil Zimmermann, says in the documentation: #In fact, if you live in the USA, and you are not a Federal agency, #you shouldn't actually run PGP on your computer, because Public #Key Partners wants to forbid you from running my software. PGP is #contraband. - Both PGP and RIPEM are export-restricted, and cannot be sent outside the U.S. and Canada. However, PGP already exists on many ftp sites in Europe and other places. Whether you use PGP or RIPEM or whatever, the documentation to PGP is recommended reading to anyone interested in such issues. Note that the above facts, both regarding patent and export restrictions, are somewhat controversial; many people think it shouldn't be that way, and some people interpret various documents differently. Unfortunately, discussions of it on the net inevitably seem to produce more heat than light, and probably belong in misc.legal.computing. (See: ""DISCLAIMER"") 12) What about RPEM? RPEM stands for Rabin Privacy Enhanced Mail. It was similar to RIPEM, but used a public-key cipher invented by Rabin (which is not RSA) in an attempt to avoid the patent on RSA. It was written by Mark Riordan, the same author as RIPEM. Its distribution was halted when, contrary to the beliefs of many (including Rabin), Public Key Partners (PKP) claimed that their patent was broad enough to cover any public-key cipher whose strength rested in the difficulty of factoring products of large primes, not just RSA. This claim is not universally accepted by any means, but was not challenged for pragmatic reasons. RPEM is not really used anymore. It is not compatible with RIPEM or PGP. 13) What is MIME? MIME stands for Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions, and is described in RFC 1341. You can find out about it in the newsgroup comp.mail.mime. How PEM should interact with MIME is not yet entirely clear; some people use the stopgap solution of having a MIME type application/x-ripem in order to send RIPEM messages as MIME ones. I hope some standards will emerge. Draft Internet documents exist on the matter. 14) I have this simple way to defeat the security of RIPEM... You may wish to check the companion post ""ripem-attacks"" which discusses some of the more obvious attacks on RIPEM's security and what procedures will minimize the risk. RIPEM's main ""weak area"" is probably key distribution. " 3344,4,"From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) Subject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine... Nntp-Posting-Host: christian.informatik.uni-ulm.de Organization: University of Ulm Lines: 23 In article , lee5@husc8.harvard.edu (Patrick Lee) wrote: > > menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes: > > > >I wonder why nobody has ever tried to replace the oscilator only, like on a Mac IIsi. As I understand the Newer Variable Speed Overdrive is only hardware, and alittle init which is use to adjust the speed. My idear is to replace the cristal oscilator wit > h a socket and than I can change the oscilator very easy. This will be alot cheaper the the Newer Variable Speed Overdrive. I would gues only 20$ to 50$ are need to do the upgrade. > > >Does someone on the net ever tried this variant of speeding up the quadra 700?? In the May issue of C't Magazine was an article about upgrading 040 models of apple. They simply change crystals and add a fan. Hammerhead: Centris 610 was able to work with 25 MHz (cooler prefered) and for 1000 DM you get an 68040 (33MHz) which works with the appropriate crystal at full speed. (extra cooling required) Centris 650 like Quadra 700 with extra cooling 33MHz works on most machines and for real power enthusiasts they used a Quadra 950 at 40 MHz wow! But for better description you should get this issue of C't (a german PC magazine!) Christian Bauer bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de " 3345,18,"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: GrinchCo Lines: 52 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu Summary: Limited governments versus failed governments News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... > :Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government :power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the :interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using :government power for their own ends. But apart from that little :conundrum... > Without having a complete answer to this question, I should think it obvious that the first step should be to convince people this would be a desirable result. There are still quite a lot of people who feel that the command economies of eastern Europe failed due to corruption rather than essential weaknesses of caommand economies, and you still have a majority in this nation that favors keeping unenforced and unenforcible laws on the books in order to ""send a signal"". :It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal :setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose :that never seems to occur?... I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also, they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable society anyway. >>...""regulation"" is such a vauge word... > :I wouldn't call it ""vague."" I'd call it elastic. All ""regulation"" is :not necessarily the same. By opposing all government regulation, some :libertarians treat every system from a command economy to those that :regulate relatively free markets as identical. That's one reason :many of the rest of us find their analysis to be simplistic. > Umm, is there any distinction between ""vague"" and ""elastic"" in this context aside from one having a more positive connotation than the other? At any rate, we've been through all this before. :Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM :""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh : the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 Incidentally, this is a libertarian newsgroup, you can get away with saying, ""bullshit"" here. You're welcome, Mr. Grinch " 3346,7,"From: rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) Subject: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima? Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 43 Hi, maybe someone can help me here... I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now. The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it. A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi). The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced to meet the legal standards. (He said he will replace the components before selling the car to me.) Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know what this could mean... Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items? Or is this an indication that the car was abused? Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon? The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but, I don't know how to verify this... I've seen the paint chipped away in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though. Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and well kept, it's currently out of warranty (a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for any repair bills... But, I also need a car for 5 people... When will the new Maxima come out, by the way? I would very much appreciate your input in this. Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup. Thanks! Ryan ======== Ryan Kim University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics rkim@eecg.toronto.edu ""Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."" - from the new British Highway Code (Toronto Star April 3, 1993) " 3347,12,"From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) Subject: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Nntp-Posting-Host: hprtnyc.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] Lines: 8 While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up KNBR, AM 1070, a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles. They had an ad claiming that they were able to get traffic flow information from all of the thousands of traffic sensors that CalTrans has placed under the pavement. Does CalTrans sell this info? Does KNBR have an exclusive? What's the deal? ==Doug ""Former L.A. commuter"" Claar " 3348,8,"From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan) Subject: FOR SALE 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 (Michigan) Article-I.D.: um.Brian.Vaughan.1.734105018 Distribution: world Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: dss1.uis.itd.umich.edu For sale 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 with 6682 miles. Excellent condition. Kept in a garage. Asking $2200. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - He who Joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. -- Albert Einstein -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brian Vaughan brian_vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu " 3349,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card) Distribution: usa <93104.231049U28037@uicv <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com> Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) says: >>>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly >>>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having >>>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks >>>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex >>>as the timer on a VCR. >> >>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Ahem!!! Hrumph!!!! You have encurred the wrath of Glock owners. We will >beat >you with our hammers. Oooops, don't have any :-) > >Seriously. There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA >revolver. Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver. >Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that >autoloaders give you, that is. > >Every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment. If you just learn how >to handle it, it becomes a lot less dangerous (to you). >-- >Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the >TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. >(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | >(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need >pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. >PADI DM-54909 | > All very true. I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends. Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has. I was looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the safties on the guns were very different. The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot more ""safe"" (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock. Of course this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody. You would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off. Personally I like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool (guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as my first semi-auto because of the safety. I would prefer more training with a ""traditional"" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion. Jason " 3350,18,"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") Subject: Re: Damn Furriners Be Taken Over Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 34 kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu writes: Kaldis, you are a worm. > Rank balderdash! America's reputation abroad has become tarnished > because of feckless and pusillanimous cowards who apparently do not > have the requisite gonads to stand up for American honor and dignity. Translation- It's them DAMN liberals again! > The American Way may not be the only way, and you may not consider it > to be necessarily the best way, but, by God, it's _OUR_ way and we're > going to stick with it! If you can't go along with the program, then > perhaps you should consider moving elsewhere. Who gave you the authority to create and enforce this rather hazy thing called ""the American Way""? This is a democracy, and we don't need to stick to it or stick up for it unless we so choose. Remember that, Ted, from Civics class in Greeley, CO? > That is exactly the _PROBLEM_ with Canadians! They don't stand for > anything with certitude. Nice generalization. > You pipsqueak! You mouse! If you are sorry to intrude then why do > it? Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Hell, do you > even have any convictions to start with? What kind of example of > manly dignity is this? Sheesh! Coming from such a crass example of ""manly dignity,"" he must feel _really_ hurt. Jon, jac2y@virginia.edu " 3351,16,"From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) Subject: Luser! Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site X-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 112 Awesley wrote: That was the entire point to *you*. What exactly did I claim? -------------------------------------------------- ""I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns to respond to sniper fire. Quite effectively."" -------------------------------------------------- I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions. If you're paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard. That helps people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words, ""bullshit filters"". Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood. Later in the same post: Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building were burnt, some were in rubble. Based on what I remember, I was and am inclined to believe an old sarge or two. Fine, *now* you are stating that you believe their claims (or that you are ""inclined"" to. See below for a stronger statement of your beliefs). Those claims are still ludicrous, however. Previously Awesley had written: You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers. Prompting me to write: To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since it makes your other claim seem more plausible. To which Awesley replied: John, again, strawman techniques. Do you feel you're losing it so you have to stretch what I said and knock that down? What I read said nothing about what they fired. And so I put nothing in there. If you need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a while. You're not scoring here, you're boring here. But why did you mention grenade launchers at all? Because it supports the notion that the tanks shelled buildings. And it supports that notion because it conjures images of troops launching fragmentary grenades. But that too is ludicrous. I wrote: If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about it. Awesley relied: Glad to know you're such an expert. Nice to hear some an authority. I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it had happened, you would have know it. Since you are such an authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot. Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300. The offical number is 43 but the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was ""several"". I've also heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them. You'd assert that I claimed they were truth. Yes, if it happened I would have heard about it. Everybody would have. Army tanks don't fire their cannons in American cities in the 1960's without it becoming common knowledge, without minority leaders seizing on it and condemning it over and over again, without civil libertarians saying ""this has gone far enough."" So, yes, my never hearing of it was the basis for my disbelieving the claim. Now I have more reasons to disbelieve it. Not one poster has written to say, yes, I lived in Detroit at that time and everybody knew that the tanks had fired shells. This is the UseNet. If it had happened, somebody here would remember it. Furthermore, your own research failed to come up with any support for the claim. The claim is extraordinary and it has no supporting evidence, extraordinary or not. Unless you count the brags of a couple of guardsmen shooting the shit. I do not. I wrote: Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. Awesley wrote: Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the difference between Army and Guard troops. Or so I recall from 26 years ago. And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks. So it would have been an Army cover-up. Quibble. Fine, it was an Army cover-up. Six years in the Reserves has taught me the difference also. But do you think that in two and half decades not one guilt-ridden participant has come forward and said ""yes, I shelled Americans,"" or ""I gave the orders to fire the cannons,"" or ""I helped cover it up""? I wrote: If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I prefer to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them. Awesley replied: Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe that they did fire their guns. Good. Then we can drop the junk about you not claiming that they did. Your belief fails a basic reality check: why isn't it known? Awesley concludes: Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the account I cited. Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as well as why I don't believe it. And if it's boring, then I yield the last word to you, if you want it. You may say anything you like with impunity--I am dropping the subject. --John L. Scott " 3352,4,"Subject: Put ex. syquest in Centris 610? From: kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science NNTP-Posting-Host: vax2.cstp.umkc.edu Lines: 17 I remember reading a thread a few days ago that mentioned removing an external syquest drive from its case and dropping it in the internal drive of a Centris. . . I was going to do that with my 610, but had a couple of questions. My PLI 80M syquest drive has a wire from the drive to an id# switch on the outside of the case. Where do I connect this switch?? Can the computer just ""tell"" with internal drives? I noticed that the drive will lay over part of the motherboard (I didn't look closely, but I seem to recall it laying over the ram that's soldered onto the motherboard? Would that cause problems? One last question! Is there anywhere to order a faceplate cover? the drive's front panel is smaller than the space left in the case (the drive's panel is the same size as the spotsBM clone's cases). Should I just cut a hole in the plastic panel that is currently holding tmpty place? Ans are welcomed! Thanks! Keith Moffatt KMOFFATT@VAX2.CSTP.UMKC.EDU " 3353,8,"From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion In-Reply-To: rwert@well.sf.ca.us's message of 21 Apr 93 01:07:56 GMT Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov Distribution: na Lines: 22 In article rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head. That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time. Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road like Mines-Mt. Hamilton. In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport riding. - Eric " 3354,1,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library F Organization: Boeing Lines: 13 Sorry about not mentioning platform... my original post was to mac.programmer, and then decided to post here to comp.graphics. I'd like the 3D software to run on primarily Mac in either C, Object Pascal (Think or MPW). But, I'll port to Windows later, so a package that runs on Mac and has a Windows version would be ideal. I'm looking for a package that has low upfront costs, and reasonable licensing costs... of course :) BobC " 3355,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: A Miracle in California Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 23 |> |> |> When I first started riding street bikes I was told it was common to recieve/ |> give a wave to a fellow biker. What astounded me on moving to the left coast from the right coast, was to actually get waves from HARLEY riders! No, Really! I remember the first time as a truely memorable event. It might have something to do with the... No. I refuse to bring that up again. Thanks EVO, for being a Harley rider that waves first. --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 3356,15,"From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: Pantheism & Environmentalism Lines: 51 09 Apr 93, Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik writes to All: >> ""We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental) >> dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much >> of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been >> called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism >> that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a >> reverence formerly accorded real religions."" (EMPHASIS MINE). SHK> First of all, secular and pagan are not synonyms. Pagan, which is SHK> derived from the latin paganus, means ""of the country."" It is, in SHK> fact, a cognate with the Italian paisano, which means peasant. SHK> Paganism, among other things, includes a reverence for the planet and SHK> all life on the planet -- stemming from the belief that all life is SHK> interconnected. So, rather than be something secular, it is something SHK> very sacred. I would go further, and say that much of the damage to the environment has been caused by the secular worldview, or by the humanist worldview, and especially by the secular humanist worldview. This is not to say that ALL secular humanists are necessarily avid destroyers of the environment, and I am sure that there are many who are concerned about the environment. But at the time of the Renaissance and Ref ormation in Western Europe man became the centre, or the focus of culture (hence ""humanism""). This consciousness was also secular, in the sense that it was concerned primarily with the present age, r ather than the age to come. Capitalism arose at the same time, and the power of economics became central in philosophy. This doesn't mean that economics did not exist before, simply that it began to dominate the conscious cultural values of Western European society and its offshoots. This cultural shift was, in its later stages, accompanied by industrial revolutions and the values that justified them. There was a fundamental cultural shift in the meaning of ""economics"" - from the Christian view of man as the economos, the steward, of creation to the secular idea of man as the slave of economic forces and powers. There were denominational differences among the new worshippers of Mammon. For some the name of the deity was ""the free rein of the market mechanism"", while for others it was ""the dialectical forces of history"". But in both the capitalist West and the socialist East the environment was sacrificed on the altar of Mammon. The situation was mitigated in the West because thos e who were concerned about the damage to the environment had more freedom to oppose what was happening and state their case. Steve --- GoldED 2.40 " 3357,3,"From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood) Subject: Western Digital HD info needed Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu I was recently loaned an older Dec 210 286 at work, and I have the option of adding an additional Western Digital Hard-drive to the machine. The existing drive is currently a Western Digital as well, and is working fine, but I do not have any documentation available for configuring the master/slave relationship necessary for a c: d: drive setup. The first drive is currently formatted to Tandy Dos v3.3 but I am eventually going to upgrade both to MS Dos v 5.0 The drives themselves are both model number WD95044-A circa 5-07-1991 They are 782 cyl 4 head drives. A note to add is that there is no exact configuration for these in my current bios, but it seems to work at a setting 17 (977 cyl 5 head, 300 write_pre, 977 landing zone). There are three pairs of jumper pins on the back that I presume are for setting up the master/slave. Originally, the drive in the machine had none. Currently, I was suggested to try the far right (looking at the back) for master and the middle jumper for the slave. When booted, the reinitialize seems to puke accessing the d: drive. It does flicker about three times on the second drive, but then gives the error. Hopefully the problem is as simple as the drive not being formatted, but not being a person who has ever had to actual format and unformatted drive, I would not even know how to do that. Any and all help on this is great fully appreciated. If not, a number for Western Digital might just do as good! swood -- Hunting over in Michigan? Don't Despair - NO CLOSED SEASON ON: opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings, feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month. " 3358,1,"From: amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) Subject: Re: Radiosity Reply-To: amann@iam.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Institute of Computer Science and Applied Mathematics, Special Interest Group Computer Graphics Lines: 54 In article 16598@rz.uni-jena.de, hahm@fossi.hab-weimar.de (peter hahm) writes: > > >RADIOSITY SOURCES WANTED !!! >============================ > >When I read the comp.graphics group, I never found something about >radiosity. Is there anybody interested in out there? I would be glad >to hear from somebody. >I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I have already >read common literature, e. g.Foley ... . I think little examples could >help me to understand how radiosity works. Common languages ( C, C++, >Pascal) prefered. >I hope you will help me! > >Yours >Peter > Peter, there's a radiosity package ahead. The only problem is: there are a few miles to sail ... ;-^ Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute I finished it. That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) to finish it. In the meantime you may have a look at the file Radiosity_code.tar.Z located at compute1.cc.ncsu.edu (there are some other locations; have a look at archie to get the nearest) Hope that'll help. Yours Stephan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephan Amann SIG Computer Graphics, University of Berne, Switzerland amann@iam.unibe.ch Tel +41 31 65 46 79 Fax +41 31 65 39 65 Projects: Radiosity, Raytracing, Computer Graphics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3359,3,From: wow@cup.portal.com (wallace otis waggoner) Subject: Hayes JT FAX card for sale $125 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 4 I have a like new Hayes JT FAX for sale $125 or offer or trade! Wally Waggoner wow@cup.portal.com 3360,18,"From: jmkerrig@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KERRIGAN JOHN M) Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI. Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu In article ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: :>Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans :> :>10. Institute a national sales tax to pay for the socialization of :> America's health care resources. :> :>9. Declare war on Serbia. Reenact the draft. :> :>8. Stimulate the economy with massive income transfers to Democtratic :> constituencies. :> :>7. Appoint an unrepetent socialist like Mario Cuomo to the Suprmeme Court. :> :>6. Focus like a laser beam on gays in the military. :> :>5. Put Hillary in charge of the Ministry of Truth and move Stephanopoulos :> over to socialzed health care. :> :>4. Balance the budget through confiscatory taxation. :> :>3. Remind everyone, again, how despite the Democrats holding the :> Presidency, the majority of seats in the House, and in the Senate, :> the Republicans have still managed to block his tax-and-spend programs. :> :>2. Go back to England and get a refresher course in European Socialism. :> ***SNIP*** And the number one way Slick Willie could improve his standing with Americans... (Drum roll Anton) 1. Get himself an appointment with Dr. Kervorkian - and keep it! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** John Kerrigan a.k.a. jmkerrig@vela.acs.oakland.edu ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3361,5,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: Problem with libXmu on SUNOS5.1 and gcc Reply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com I am using X11R5patch23 with the R5-SUNOS5 patch posted on export. I did optionally apply the patch.olit. libXmu compiles fine .. when I try to use it with clients (i.e. bmtoa and twm), I get errors ... I can not figure out what is wrong: gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o twm gram.o lex.o deftwmrc.o add_window.o gc.o list.o twm.o parse.o menus.o events.o resize.o util.o version.o iconmgr.o cursor.o icons.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -L../.././extensions/lib -L../.././lib/X -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl ld: warning: file ../.././extensions/lib/libXext.so: attempted multiple inclusion of file libXext.so Undefined first referenced symbol in file XtAppSetWarningMsgHandler ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtScreenDatabase ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtDisplayStringConversionWarning ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtErrorMsg ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtRealloc ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtIsManaged ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtMalloc ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtGetApplicationResources ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtOwnSelection ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtGetConstraintResourceList ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtCalloc ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtName ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtStringConversionWarning ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtAppSetTypeConverter ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtDisplayToApplicationContext ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtGetResourceList ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtFree ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtDestroyWidget ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtGetValues ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtWarningMsg ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtTranslateCoords ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtCvtStringToFont ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtWidgetToApplicationContext ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtWarning ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtCreateWidget ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtWindowOfObject ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtVaSetValues ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtAppWarningMsg ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtGetSelectionValue ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so XtResolvePathname ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to twm *** Error code 1 -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 " 3362,3,"From: ""Calvin D. Swartzentruber"" Subject: ATTN: Ken Smith Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9304051540.AA03922@gumby.Altos.COM> It is model number #7033D, a 14"" interlaced .28dp. BTW, if you have a number to contact the company, that would really be helpful to. Thanks for replying. I was beginning to believe that I was never going to get a reply. I posted this on the netnews bboard because the first message I sent to you was returned, and I didn't know if my second message would get to you. Calvin " 3363,18,"From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russ) Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] Distribution: na Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 46 In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: > >Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the Religious Left. > Not at all. I am not a member of the Religious Left, Right, or even Center. In fact I don't consider myself very religious at all [ this will probably result in flames now :) ]. In fact Phil, you should leave religion out of it. It just clouds the issue. >Show me all these environmental ""disasters"". Most of them aren't. And the >natural disasters we have had individually far outweigh the man-made ones. How typical. So you think we shouldn't avoid these 'events' [ I shall refrain from the word disaster since it seems to upset you so much. :( ] when we can. In case you didn't realize it, the natural disasters [ oops, sorry events ] you are refering to we have no control over. Man-made ones we do. I guess you missed the show on Ch 20 earlier this week about the disaster [ oops there I go again... I meant to say event ] on the Exxon Valdez. Just a natural every day occurance to spread oil on 300 Miles of beach. I would like to know which natural event [ hey I remembered not to say disaster ] that would be similar to this. >Most of your so-called disasters (Love Canal, Times Beach, TMI) aren't >disasters at all. Hmm, I suppose you could be right. They are as natural as a tree, or a sunrise. NOT ! >So look, if you want to worship trees (or owls or snails or whatever), fine, do >so. But DON'T try to push the scaredness of YOUR religious off onto me. > So look, if you want to worship a oil slick ( or toxic waste dump or live in a house that has a cesspool in the front yard ), fine, you have my permission to do so [ yea right like you need MY permission... ], it just won't be in the neighborhood where I live. But DON'T try to push your shortsighted tunnelvision views off on the rest of us. -- | Russell Hockins | There are people who believe that there is | | Innovative Interfaces, Inc. | no such thing as an environmental disaster.| | | Pretty weird... ain't it? | | My own opinions no one elses | packet : ka6foy @ ki6yk.#nocal.ca.na.usa | " 3364,11,"From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip. LONG follow up. Lines: 478 Organization: Curtin University of Technology In article <16695@rand.org>, jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) writes: > This document is in the anonymous ftp directory at NIST. Looks to me > like the other shoe has dropped. > > Jim Gillogly > Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:00 > Thanks for posting this and making it available. This post will be LONG, I will comment on most of it, and am reluctantly leaving all of the original in place to provide context. Please note that an alt. group has been set up for the Clipper stuff. > ------------------- > > Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file > transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and > via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. > --------------------------------------------------- > > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary > > _________________________________________________________________ > > For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 > > > STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY > > > The President today announced a new initiative that will bring > the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary ^^^^^^^^^ Hum, AT&T, VLSI and Mykotronx are 'industry'? Wonder what happened to IBM, this should be right up their street. And a mandateed scheme is voluntary? Mr Orwell would love this. > program to improve the security and privacy of telephone ^^^^^^^^^ > communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law > enforcement. Telephone encryption and scrambleing are years behind digital ones like RSA, IDEA, or even DES. The above, while literaly true, is a clasic straw-man claim in the context of non-real-time circuits such as E-mail and the like. > The initiative will involve the creation of new products to > accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure > telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. > I would modestly propose that a mandated use of ISDN would do more for commun- ications than this lot. > For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our > private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the > tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of > protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate > the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and > law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against > industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. > > Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to > protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to > protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption Normmaly DES. > technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used > by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. Note the use of the word ""business"" in the above. The whole tenor of this release seems to be establishing a ground rule that only ""business"" use is legitimate for debate. If you want the nothings you drop in your wife's ear to remain secret and private, that is not even on the agenda for debate. Note that there is NO role for you to contain private info in this. The only reference is to information already in the hands of others. The 'unauthorized release' bit is also drawing a long bow. Most of these cases are by people who have legitimate access abusing it, and revealing, or often selling the info. These people are, of course, in this proposal, the people who will have the keys. The criminals also use lawers, courts, the CIA, white-house officials and pens to go about their business. When will they be outlawed as well? Yeah, several of them would be a better idea than CLipper! Them again, the protections of law and the courts have been seriously erroded over the last decade ofr so. > A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has > been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NSA > new approach to encryption technology. Yeah, this bit is VERY true. >....It can be used in new, > relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to > an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications > using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in > commercial use today. > Note the repeated mixing of telephone scrabeling and encryption. A demo of the above claim on an ordanary POTS would be a good nights entertainment I suspect. Note also the 'many'. not 'all', as the general tone implies. > This new technology will help companies protect proprietary ^^^^^^^^^ > information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted > electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the > ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to > intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. The case record seems to indicate that what is needed is a brutal tightening of the current abuses. I have not heard, yet, of a case that was impeaded by the use of secure encryption by the men in black. The other side, abuse by law enforcers is well documented, even by govt agencies. And the phone vs other coms is blurred yet again. > A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the > ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding > Americans. > A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the > ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding > Americans. Lets run that line twice. Not **VERY** carefully what it says. The stated purpose of the key eschrow is to make the use of Clipper compulsory. Note the word ""ensure"". As to 'protect', or 'law-abiding', I will leave to you. So to the person who asked if it included the outlawing of other encryptions, the answer in this press release is, YES. > ...Each device containing the chip will have two unique > ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government > agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the > device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately > in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the > Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to > government officials with legal authorization to conduct a > wiretap. Just as they only can wiretap now with a warrent. > The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no > new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. Just makes sure that the illegal ones are preserved. > To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the > Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new > devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the > government will be offered access to the confidential details of > the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report > their findings. Where do you find many experts. Any ex KGB people looking for a contract? :-) And as a later posting asks, what of the STU-IIIs they already have. It will be very interesting to see if the military and US embasies start to use it. After all, it is secure, isn't it. The govt will answer that point by its own actions. > The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of > encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the > privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield > criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other > approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access > to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it > to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology > trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), > the President has directed government agencies to develop a > comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: > > -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to > employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; ^^^^^^^^ Again, personal use seems to be a unaskable question. > > -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone > calls and data, under proper court or other legal ^^^^^ > order, when necessary to protect our citizens; Ah, so warrents are not always needed it seems. > > -- the effective and timely use of the most modern > technology to build the National Information > Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and > the competitiveness of American industry in the global > marketplace; and > > -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export > high technology products. The ITARs seem to slightly impeed this. > The President has directed early and frequent consultations with > affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the > privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. > The Administration is committed to working with the private > sector to spur the development of a National Information > Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer > technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to > information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks > (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV > programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone > system transmits voice. Note that all this wonderfull stuff will be in secret. Only the 'proper people' will be able to express an opinion, hence only the desired result will emerge. > Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important > role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act > quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding > its use. The Administration is committed to policies that > protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting > them from those who break the law. Encryption and codes have been around for millenia. They are generaly in equilibrium with the technology of the time. The systematic study of cyphers has resulted in a swing in favor of the encrypter, AT THE MOMENT. I have no doubt that the factoring problem will fall in time. Probably fofr practical purposes by the middle of the next century. > Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. > The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new > encryption technology are also available. > > For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of > Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. > > --------------------------------- > > > QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S > TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE > > > > > Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government > agencies to listen in on phone conversations? > > A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with > no new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. > > Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > > A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They > would then present documentation of this authorization to > the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and > obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug > smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are > stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key > escrow system. > > Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? > > A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent > entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the > Administration have yet to determine which agencies will > oversee the key-escrow data banks. It is a little hard to critisise a non-proposal. > Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure > how strong the security is? > > A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption > systems readily available today. Note we drop back to 'phone-mode' again. If this is a true answer, it can be rephrased as "" It sucks big time. Anyone who can drive the crypt work-bench will use it for light amusement before breakfast."" > ... While the algorithm will > remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow > system, This link between the security of the key-eschrow, and the actual algorithm is a real winner. Given that I have 2 secret 40 bit numbers, could someone please explain how the details of an encryption algorithm will reveal them? > ... we are willing to invite an independent panel of > cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all > potential users that there are no unrecognized > vulnerabilities. Just make sure you read the CVs REAL carfully, OK. > > Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? > > A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the > Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in > this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the > President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet > officials. Quick, with out looking back, What name is missing from that list? > Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? > > A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on > encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify > as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have > briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the > decisions related to this initiative. The people who agree with us and who think there is a buck in it for them. > Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? > > A: The government designed and developed the key access > encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the > microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product > manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip > manufacturer that produces them. The reverse engineering provisions of the 'Mask-work' act could be relevent here. > Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? > > A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, > California, and will sell the chip to encryption device > manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed > to other vendors in the future. > > Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? > > A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating > the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. You don't. Not unless you are one of the 'right people'. > Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological > solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be > willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more > powerful encryption devices? > > A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be > considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow They missed the word secret here. He needs a grammar lesson too. > mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product > that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive > than others readily available today, but it is just one > piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to > encryption technology, which the Administration is > developing. I would say ""less secure, less conveniant, more expensive ( PGP is free ), less available, and more prone to being comprimised"" Proofs to the contarary will be welcome. Note PROOF. > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have > effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" They don't seem to be saying anything that makes much sense. And this proposal DOES prohibit it except in a very limited way. And, this is the one explicit reference to personal rights. It is a denial. And yes, I don't think that the Mexicans, Brazilians, and Canucks are included in Clinton et als magnanamous gesture. > ... There is a > false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is > an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, > and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, > balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper > Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. The 'false tension' is false. The balance is between two repugnant points. The RIGHT to privacy is hand-waved to non-existance by putting it behind the ""false assessment"". It is assumed that the removal of the right to take what ever steps YOU deem suitable to protect YOUR privacy is non negotiable, hence is defined in the govenment language to be non-existant. If you don't agree, you must be a criminal, as only criminals don't agree with out laws. Also note the non- question. ""If what is here was not possible..."" > Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton > Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from > that of the Bush Administration? > > A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption > technology in telecommunications and computing and are > committed to working with industry and public-interest > groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' > privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law > enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime > and terrorism. It indicates we know that Bush dropped the ball in squashing that nasty < insert suitable retoric > and will stamp out this disorderly, unruley outbreak of freedom and ultra-national sentiment. > Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > > A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is > required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The > same is true for other encryption devices. One of the > attractions of this technology is the protection it can give > to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this > in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a > case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these > devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan > to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability > of these products. > This one is a real giggle. In Australia or France, they will have to reveal the keys, and the algorithm. Don't think it's at the top of my list of things I must have, so the restrictions will protect me from saleks trying to sell me a bill of crock. Any for any others using it, they must be nuts! Good luck folks. ~Paul " 3365,1,"From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 In <1qlobb$p5a@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: [Most info regarding dangers of reading from Floppy disks omitted] >unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a >program to do this. On the other hand, when choosing files in the Open Files >menu, CView insists on doing a few disk reads every time one moves the >hi-lighter square. Incredibly annoying when it could do them all at once >when it gets the directory info. And really, how much effort does it take to >sort a directory listing? In all fairness, how many people do you know personally who read images from Floppy drives? I haven't tried it with JPEGs, but I do realize how agonizingly slow it is with GIF files. Nevertheless, it is an important bug that needs to be squashed. I am merely pointing out that it was probably overlooked. While it is serious, one must keep in mind that it will probably affect at most 5% of the targeted users of CView. " 3366,11,"From: langford@gems.vcu.edu Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.213718.23129@husc3.harvard.edu>, kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: > Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, > I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: > gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the > issue as well as the First-Amendment side. > > Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu > > Hmmm, this gave me an interesting idea. How about this argument: 1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. 2) Strong cryptography is ""arms"", according to the U.S. government (that's why it's so hard to export). Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography! Q.E.D. However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly restricting. Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? (Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too long to start up. I would certainly join.) -- | From the electronic desk of Bob Langford Health Sciences Computing | 804-786-9843 (fax: 804-786-9807) Virginia Commonwealth University | e-mail: langford@gems.vcu.edu [or] langford@vcuvax (for BITNET) " 3367,3,"From: greg@anacapa.NCEL.Navy.Mil (Gregory K. Ramsey) Subject: Micron Computer, Inc. (Formerly Edge Technology) Organization: Naval Civil Engineering Lab, Port Hueneme Lines: 9 Since the net has convinced me not to try FastMicro (if they were still answering their phones) does anybody have any opinions on Micron Computer, Inc? Their 486VL Magnum got an Editors Choice in the Jan 26th roundup of 486/66s. Email and I'll sumarize. Greg greg@ncel.navy.mil " 3368,14,"From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 : henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: : >There is an emergency oxygen system that is capable of maintaining a : >breathable atmosphere in the cabin for long enough to come down, even : >if there is something like a 5cm hole in the wall that nobody tries : >to plug. Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: : Wow. : Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Programmatically, yes, we can land an Orbiter with a 5 cm hole in the wall -- provided that the thing which caused 5 cm hole didn't cause a Crit 1 failure on some of the internal systems. There are a few places where a 5 cm hole would cause a Bad Day -- especially if the 5 cm hole went all the way through the Orbiter and out the other side, as could easily happen with a meteor strike. But a hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit to the next available landing site. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""NASA turns dreams into realities and makes science fiction into fact"" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator " 3369,15,"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 54 > I've just read Carol's response and I just had to get into this. I've > got some verses which are not subject to interpretation because they say ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > what they say. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Joe, just 'cause you say they aren't subject to interpretation doesn't necesarily make it so. That's *your* *interpretation* of these texts. > They are 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, and > Galatians 1:11-12. 2 Peter 1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. The study notes in my Bible offer three possible meanings for verse 20. Apparantly it's not as clear to Charles Ryrie as it is to you. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Galations 1:11-12 For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I receieved it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. When I read these passages, it was not immediately clear to me what every phrase meant. I had stop and think about the possible connotations of words, what the intent of the author may have been, wonder if the translator used the correct English word to convey the same meaning: I had to interpret. If you want to believe that your are not interpreting Scripture as you read, there's probably nothing I can say to change your mind. But I think it's naive to think that our culture, experiences, education, do not affect everything we read. > Also, based on the fact that Jesus is the Word incarnate and he judges > people if they follow him (see Acts 17:29-31 and John 5:21-27) and that > those who reject Jesus' teachings are judged by the very words he spoke > (see John 12:47-50), then Jesus' words are true and do not need > interpretation, nor would it be just of God to judge based on his word > if it had to be interpreted. In college, I took an entire course in Biblical interpretation. Go to any Christian bookstore, there are scores of books on interpreting and understanding Scripture. If interpretation is unnecessary, there are an awful lot of misguided Christians out there wasting a lot of time and energy on it. Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com " 3370,6,"From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) Subject: Camera bags for sale Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) Distribution: usa Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD Lines: 43 1. Large padded Cordura bag (maker unknown) nge exterior, black straps and interior. Five outside pocket plus lid compartment. Lid overlaps. Internal dividers can be repositioned. Held my whole 2-1/4 Bronica system, Metz flash, etc. $50. 2. Small ""Nikon"" shoulder bag. SORRY. SOLD & SHIPPE. 3. Small ""Nikon"" belt pouch. Khaki like #2. Similar in design Army ammo pouch - belt clips, etc. Holds flash or small zoom, lens cleaner, etc. $5. 4. Domke belt pouch, black. Also has metal loops of you want to attach strap. Velcro closure. Similar to #3 in concept, but bigger. Holds 35-135 zoom or flash, small accessories, etc. Hardly used; cost me $20 originally - will sell for $15. 5. Coast camera bag - tan with brown strap. Main and front pocket. Can hold AF slr with small zoom plus flash, film, etc. Matl looks like Gore-Tex but I don't think it really is. $15. TERMS: Payment in advance by money order/bank check, or cash. Buyer pays shipping. #1 must go UPS. For the others, send me an adequate self addressed mailing envelope (padded recommended) with enough postage. /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion. / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein======= /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion. / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein======= " 3371,6,"From: Wil.Chin@launchpad.unc.edu (Wilson Chin) Subject: Re: DATman for sale. Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 19 In article bdavis@netcom.com (Bryan Davis) writes: >Sony TCD-D3 DAT walkman for sale. Hardly used, still under >warrantee. Comes with optical digital input/output as well as standard >RCA analog cables. Includes recharable battery, charger, and AC adaptor. >$650.00 or best offer. Just to inform the readers of newsrc Sony has just introduced a new DATman, the TCD-D7 which is smaller and less expensive than the D3. Also, the D7 has a coaxial jack which the D3 lacks. Oh, the D3 has always been available through mail-order houses for less than $700 dollars new... with the new model coming out, I suspect the now obsolete D3 will be selling for even less. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 3372,1,"From: mor@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Mor) Subject: Re: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly) Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 49 merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes: >Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books: > o PEXLIB Programming Manual > o PHIGS Programming Manual >Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386 >running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and >access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on >the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization >of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure. Rather than decide which book you want to buy, you need to decide which programming interface you want to use, then buy the appropriate book. I wrote an article for the X Resource which discusses the differences between PHIGS and PEXlib (it will appear in Issue 6 which should be out pretty soon). But here's a brief summary... PHIGS is a graphics API which was designed to be portable to many devices. Most implementations support the X Window System and take advantage of a 3D extension to X called ""PEX"". PEXlib is a slightly ""lower"" level API which was designed to efficiently support the PEX extension to X. Some advantages of using PEXlib... - Integrates with Xlib,Xt,Motif,etc. better than PHIGS - Provides immediate mode capabilities - Is free of ""policy"" - PEX supports PHIGS, but is currently being extended to support features not found in PHIGS (like texture mapping, anti-aliasing). PEXlib will give you access to all of these features. Some advantages of using PHIGS... - Support for multiple devices, not just X based ones - Support for archiving, metafiles, hardcopy output - PHIGS has predefined input devices to make input easier - PHIGS can handle exposure events and resizing for you - PHIGS can help you with colormap selection/creation. If you're working strictly in X and don't care about things like archiving, I would go with PEXlib. Either way, you will find that both API's have a lot in common. Ralph Mor MIT X Consortium " 3373,16,"From: random@cbnewse.cb.att.com (David L. Pope) Subject: Riddle me something else. Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 11 > On the other hand, I wonder if, > with a face full of ""massive amounts of CS,"" *I* would be able to escape > a burning tinder-box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts. What ever happened to the 'Adobe Fortress' I kept hearing about? I thought this was a 'Cult Stronghold'! If the kgbatf knew it was a tinderbox, why didn't they just have all the talking heads line up and start huffin' and puffin? Random " 3374,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Organization: Indiana University Lines: 59 In article mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: >bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > >> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It >>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >>sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the > > Typical statement from an irrational and brainwashed person. >The bible was written by some male chavnist thousands of years ago >(as were all of the ""holy"" books). Follow the parts that you think are >suitable for modern life. Ignore the others. For heaven's (!) sake don't >take it literally. Please, leave heaven out of it. For his own sake, I pray that Dan does take it literally because that's how God intended it to be taken. Dan, your view of many groups appears correct from my point of view. However, I have found a group which is truly meeting requirements laid down by the Bible on what it means to be a disciple of Jesus. I have no clue where wwc is, but please mail me. I'd really like to get you in touch with them. > >>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But > [insert deletion of ranting about other religions which obviously has gone off-center of Dan's original context] Dan, I'm familiar with this one. You've got a point, though. There are some who don't want to turn over everything and be a disciple, some have no clue about it because they've not been taught, some have done exactly that and turned over everything to follow Jesus, some are blocked by difficult doctrine taught by uncaring Pharisees and teachers of the law. However, Jesus pointed out what it takes to follow him and to be his disciple in Luke 9:23-26 and Luke 14:25-33. My question is: why do people ignore the command and treat it as optional? I certainly don't have an answer to this. [insert deletion] > Parting Question: > Would you have become a Christian if you had not >been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about >any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim >you are brain washed. My parents had nothing to do with it. God had and has everything to do with it. As for these attacking responses, I must say that I disagree with your tone and what appears to be some very judgmental statements (possibly to the point of slander) when talking about people, not what they do. Please, if you have a response, state it instead of flying off the handle on some discourse which may have nothing truly to do with what is being discussed. I'm sure both Dan and I would have a much happier time with your responses. Joe " 3375,6,"From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Subject: Re: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale) Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 25 In article colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes: | Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190?? | I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC. From the Maxtor Product Specification and OEM Manual, Doc. 1011002 Rev. F, page 35: J2, (20) J1 (34) POWER |xxxxxxxxxx| |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX| | UUUU | +-----+ +--------+ +-------+ | | 4 C 3 2 C 1 | | [ O O O O O O ] | The only option you ""should"" jumper is the drive select, shown as ""4C32C1"" above. There is also a drive power-up option jumper (elsewhere on the drive's board) but the odds of that having been unset are slim. Since the 3B1 ""normally"" has only one HD, you would jumper betwwwn ""C1"" to select the first (possible) drive address; if the 2190 is your second drive on the 3B1, then jumper between ""2C"". Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ] " 3376,11,"From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: damon.ccs.northeastern.edu Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U Distribution: alt Lines: 21 In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: [...] > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just >call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions >from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from >TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. I don't know about classified, but I do seem to remember that unless you're authorized by the Govt, it's illegal to TEMPEST-shield your equipment. Besides, effective TEMPEST-shielding is much more difficult than you might think (hi Jim!). RA rogue@cs.neu.edu (Rogue Agent/SoD!) ----------------------------------- The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and ask for one. " 3377,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian scholars on the extermination of 2.5 million Muslim people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 288 In article <735251412@amazon.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes: > Why don't you post this in English, Mike? > This appears to mean -- ""Milan, it seems that > some Greek has fucked you."" Is that what turns you on? The truth needs to be told over and over again. There are Armenians who of course witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914-1920 but their voices of truth are suppressed today in the hollow din of anti-Turkish/Muslim campaign by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle of the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government. Well, that is what I saw in the library. What's your problem with this? Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934. pp. 17-18. ""It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus. Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus, very often defenseless and innocent."" p. 38. ""The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."" p. 38. ""Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of 1914-15-16."" Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 184 (second paragraph) ""I had received further very definite information of horrors that had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."" p. 177 (third paragraph) ""Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the Moslem villages in the plain...."" ""Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security and protection..."" p. 178 (first paragraph) ""In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."" p. 179 (first paragraph) ""Shortly afterwards the head of the miserable column appeared. There were in all about 200 persons, mostly old men and women and children, with a few ox-carts, ponies, and donkeys, carrying all their worldly possessions, except a few sheep that they were driving before them. Their leader interviewed Bekir Bey, and was told to keep farther on into the hills, where he would be able to cross the frontier into Turkey unmolested by his enemies."" p. 181 (first paragraph) ""the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with artillery, with probably a large force in support."" p. 175 (first paragraph) ""The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms. In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will be referred to in due course."" The following news from Turan News Agency in Baku-Azerbaijan is brought to you as a service of: P.O. Box 14571 Berkeley, CA 94701 FAX: (804) 490-3832 Email: farid@mem.odu.edu * AZERBAIJAN'S GOVERNMENT APPEALS TO COMPATRIOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD * 60 REFUGEES FROM KELBAJAR PERISHED IN THEIR ESCAPE LORRIES * SITUATION IN THE REGION OF KELBAJAR * ARMENIAN ARMY CONTINUES ATTACK ON FIZULI * PRESS-CONFERENCE OF THE CHIEF OF PRESS-SERVICE OF PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN * AZERBAIJANIS PICKET IN FRONT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA * PICKET OF SADVALERS IN MOSCOW * ATTACK OF ARMENIAN UNITS STOPPED * STATEMENT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF AZERBAIJAN AZERBAIJAN'S GOVERNMENT APPEALS TO COMPATRIOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD BAKU (APRIL 5) TURAN: Today, Azerbaijan's government appealed to Azeris all over the world in connection with escalation of the Armenian aggression against the republic. It is stressed in appeal that the experience of five-years of fighting for independence from imperial chains shows a grim process . The war against Azerbaijan under the pretence of protecting the human rights of the Armenians of Ukhari (Upper) Garabag, has meant the destruction of Azeri villages and towns, occupation of 10 percent of the territory, 60 thousand new refugees in addition to 500 thousand already in place. This is all the price of fighting for liberty from Russian imperial rule, is said in the document. Azerbaijan's government appeals to all compatriots to make every effort to inform the people of the world about the truth in Azerbaijan, and to assistance in solving the problems facing the young state. It is stressed in the appeal that there is urgent need for medicine, food, experienced doctors and financial help to settle refugees from Kelbajar, Fizuli and Lachin regions, and to render medical aid for the sick and the wounded men.--O-- 60 REFUGEES FROM KELBAJAR PERISHED IN THEIR ESCAPE LORRIES BAKU (APRIL 5) TURAN: Today, during the evacuation from Kelbajar region, 60 refugees on board two lorries were killed in the fire from the Armenian Tanks on the only road to leave Kelbajar. According to press -service of Azerbaijan president, no one survived the tragedy. --O-- SITUATION IN THE REGION OF KELBAJAR BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Attempts to evacuate the rest of 15,000 citizens, encircled on alpine villages of the region of Kelbajar went on within the last twenty-four hours. Evacuation helicopters could not land near these villages because of shelling from the Armenian side and existence of fog. Measures are undertaken to air-drop food and medicine to the encircled people. Several hundred people succeed within the last twenty-four hours to get out of the region of Kelbajar via mountain range. Refugees are settled in the neighboring regions of Azerbaijan and in Ganja. Authorities face serious problem with rendering refugees medical aid and food. The number of refugees from Kelbajar is over 40,000 people. Azerbaijan is not capable of handling a disaster of this magnitude.--0-- ARMENIAN ARMY CONTINUES ATTACK ON FIZULI BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: The region of Fizuli of Azerbaijan, situated outside of the territory of Daglig (Nagorno) Garabag, has been subjected to heaviest attacks of Armenian army for the fourth day. About 30 armored technique and more than 500 soldiers of the enemy are taking part in the attack. Armenian units broke the defence line of the azeri forces and occupied the ruling height from where the town is shelled from ""Grad"" installations, this morning. There is heavy destructions in the town and more than 20 people are dead. Population of the town is hastily evacuated.--0-- PRESS-CONFERENCE OF THE CHIEF OF PRESS-SERVICE OF PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Fifty-five thousand refugees from the region of Kelbajar were taken out by 11 o'clock on April 5, informed the chief of the press-service of president of Azerbaijan, Arif Aliev, today. Journalists were also informed at the press-conference that International Red Cross is helping to accept and render refugees medical aid. There is an urgent need to supply the refugees with tents, food and medical aid. Arif Aliev informed that as a result of the ongoing tragedy brought on by the latest aggression of Armenia, the leadership of Azerbaijan intends to appeal to Azerbaijanis and all those who treasure human life all over the world for help. Concerning the reaction of the international community to aggression of Armenia, Aliev said the department of state of the USA has expressed its anxiety to leadership of Armenia. Participants of peace efforts in Daglig (Nagorno) Garabag under CSCE, Rafaelli, Mareska and Chetin strongly blamed the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan. Leader of press-service informed that tomorrow ambassador of Azerbaijan in Russia, Hikmet Haji-zade, will conduct a press-conference in Moscow. Detailed information on latest events in the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan will be given at the press-conference.--0-- AZERBAIJANIS PICKET IN FRONT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Azerbaijanis, living in Moscow, picketed in front of the building of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia. Picket was conducted as a token of protest against participation of Russian units in capture of the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan by Armenians. About 100 people took part in the picket, organized by Azerbaijani society ""Dayag"".--0-- PICKET OF SADVALERS IN MOSCOW BAKU (5 APRIL) 30-40 members of ""Sadval"" society picketed before the building of permanent representation of Azerbaijan in Moscow. Picketers were demanding the return of Lezghins lands, as if annexed by Azerbaijan. Ambassador of Azerbaijan in Moscow, Hikmet Haji-zade classified this action as provocation aimed at creating a further inter-ethnic conflict in Azerbaijan. He marked in his talk with the Turan correspondent that he does not rule out a connection between the Armenian aggression in the region of Kelbajar and this anti- azerbaijani action of the ""Sadval"" society in Moscow. He also marked that 30-40 people do not mean the Lezghian nationality in the whole. Society of Lezghins, ""Sadval"", registered in Moscow in 1990, demands the creation of a Lezghistan state, which never existed before on the northern territories of Azerbaijan.--0-- ATTACK OF ARMENIAN UNITS STOPPED BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Attack of Armenian army on the town of Fizuli, which began in the last twenty-four hours, is stopped, informs the press-service of the Ministry of Defence of Azerbaijan. In the result of undertaken measures, 6 tanks and a number of the attackers were destroyed. Advance units of the Armenian army retreated several kilometers. Chairman of the parliament, Isa Gambar, visited the town of Fizuli and met with commanders of the units of the national army and local citizens, today.--0-- STATEMENT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF AZERBAIJAN BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan issued a statement in connection with aggression of Armenia in the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan. It is stated in the statement that regular units of the armed forces of Armenia captured the town of Kelbajar on April 3 . Attack of Armenian units, which began on March 27 deep in the territory of Azerbaijan still continues. Armenia has occupied at present 7500 sq.km of the territory of Azerbaijan. Spreading of Armenian aggression far away from Ukhari (Upper) Garabag proves that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflicts has entered a specially dangerous phase. This is the result of non-recognition of Armenia as an aggressor by the international community, is marked in the document. It is stressed in the statement that the units of the 7th Russian army are participating in the Armenian attack. This casts doubt on the sincerity of Russian mediation efforts in finding a peaceful solution to the conflict. It is marked in conclusion that aggressive actions of Armenia have wrecked the negotiation process under aegis of CSCE. The document contains the appeal to the world community to stop Armenian aggression and to use political and economic sanctions against the aggressor.--0-- Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3378,3,From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 1 I have the PAS16 / Toshiba 3401 combo and have no problems with it. 3379,19,"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 19 COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH writes >it wouldn't be the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid the >shame of capture and persecution. This group killed itself to fulfill its interpretation of prophecy and to book a suite in Paradise, taking innocent kids along for the ride. I hardly think the feds were motivated by persecution. If they were, all Koresh would have had to do was surrender quietly to the authorities, without firing a shot, to get the American people behind him and put the feds in the hot seat. But no, God told him to play the tough guy. There's great strength in yielding, but few appreciate this. -- Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho " 3380,1,"From: rych@festival.ed.ac.uk (R Hawkes) Subject: 3DS: Where did all the texture rules go? Lines: 21 Hi, I've noticed that if you only save a model (with all your mapping planes positioned carefully) to a .3DS file that when you reload it after restarting 3DS, they are given a default position and orientation. But if you save to a .PRJ file their positions/orientation are preserved. Does anyone know why this information is not stored in the .3DS file? Nothing is explicitly said in the manual about saving texture rules in the .PRJ file. I'd like to be able to read the texture rule information, does anyone have the format for the .PRJ file? Is the .CEL file format available from somewhere? Rych ====================================================================== Rycharde Hawkes email: rych@festival.ed.ac.uk Virtual Environment Laboratory Dept. of Psychology Tel : +44 31 650 3426 Univ. of Edinburgh Fax : +44 31 667 0150 ====================================================================== " 3381,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 35 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1993Apr20.151131.8531@news.uit.no> paale@stud.cs.uit.no (Paal Ellingsen) writes: > In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com>, Jim De Arras writes: > |> Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. Humans died > |> yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the actions > |> they did. That is the undeniable truth. > > ....the question is: for how long? Even if the FBI had done nothing, I guess the > BDs would have committed suicide, but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them > the choice between sucide or surrender. > The BDs was warned in beforehand about the FBI action. They HAD the chance to > surrender and get a fair trial. No matter who started the fire, the BDs were > responsible for 80+ peole dying. No one else. > This is, of course, your opinion. I differ greatly. There can be NO doubt the FBI at least shares in the blame. > -- > ============================================================================ > Paal Ellingsen | Borgensvingen 67/102 | Tlf.: 083 50933 > paale@stud.cs.uit.no | 9100 Kvaloeysletta | DATA = Dobbelt Arbeid Til Alle > ============================================================================ -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 3382,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: I think I am going to cry again Yankees lose it again Organization: Allegheny College I can't believe this, Howe has an ERA in the 80's He is improving!!! Key pitches a GREAT game, and they screw it up AGAIN. " 3383,5,"From: welch@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Sean N. Welch) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Organization: Experimental Computing Facility, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu In article schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck) writes: >nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes: > >>> The problem occurs during the initial ""make World"". When >>> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find >>> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program ""ld"" >>> which was updated for 4_1_3. >>> > >> Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static >>some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(. > >Or use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld. Or read fixes 9, 10, and 11 to the MIT distribution. This is a known problem - just apply those fixes and set SunPost411FCSLd to YES and OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to 3. In fix-09: |If you are running SunOS 4.1.1 and you apply Sun's ld patch 100170-6, |then you will need to edit your site.def and add this line to the |AfterVendorCF section: | |#define SunPost411FCSLd YES In fix-10: |If you are running SunOS 4.1.2, change OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to |have a value of 2. In fix-11: |Brief notes on what this patch fixes: | |config: make on SunOS 4.1.2 fails unless tree previously built in Sean Welch " 3384,16,"From: lsacks@angelo.amd.com (Larry Sacks) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Lines: 29 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. [stuff deleted] >Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Really? How do you avoid situations which encourage criminals? I'd really like to know. Would you, say, prohibit female college students from riding their bicycles near the university during the daytime? Sounds a bit drastic, doesn't it? Especially when the university is locatd in a nice residential area. A friend of mine was attacked and nearly raped in just this situation. The police didn't feel she was in a situation which 'encouraged criminals'. What do you think? Should we just tell her, that it was her fault for daring to ride a bicycle in the middle of the day? That she didn't avoid a situation that encouraged criminals? If that's the case, then we'd all better put bars on our doors and windows and pray for a police state to keep us all safe. Crime happens in all situations - there are no defined areas that criminals avoid. Larry Sacks Advanced Micro Devices lsacks@angelo.amd.com " 3385,7,"From: c23reg@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Ron Gaskins) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Originator: c23reg@koptsw21 Keywords: Dimmer switch location (repost) Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr8.233443.22590@exu.ericsson.se>, exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson, T/TDT, 1129) writes: > In article 23250@cas.org, sdm24@cas.org () writes: > >IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the > >dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year '95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch. A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the steering wheel :-) -- Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 -- Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 " 3386,2,"From: nagel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Nagel) Subject: Re: AMI Pro 3.0 and equation mode Nntp-Posting-Host: fido.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 37 nagel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Nagel) writes: >Hi, > I'm having a problem with AMIPro when writing equations. If the >equation extends past a certain point on a line, the whole thing disappears. >If I then try to delete the equation or cursor beyond the equation, AMI >goes nuts. The line counter at the bottom of the screen increments >repeatedly and the only way out is to CTRL-ATL-DEL. If I have been >unfortunate enough to save a document with one of these screwed up >equations, the document is basically trashed. (although I have been >able to fix them by going into an ascii editor and deleteing large >chunks of the document) > Has anyone else experienced this? Does Lotus know about it >and or have a patch???????. >Thanks in advance, >Kurt >nagel@fido.colorado.edu I contacted Lotus about this problem today. It has been reported previously and there is a fix. Apparantly the problem only occurs when TAB characters are used immediately preceding the equation frame. The work around when equations are expected to touch the right margin is to delete at least one preceding TAB and use SPACE to align the frame (or use set frame where placed w/no text wrap around). Unforutnately, once the page run-on has occured you are hosed. So the moral of the story is use only SPACE characters to align equation frames. Hope this helps the rest of you who have already contacted me with this problem. Kurt nagel@fido.colorado.edu " 3387,4,"From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) Subject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 53 In article <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> writes: >The trackbal on my PB140 no longer moves in the horizontal direction. When I >called the nearest Authorized Apple Service person I was told that it probably >needed replacing and that would cost me over $150! Ouch! > Can anyone recommend a less expensive way to fix this problem? One strange >symptom of the problem is that when I take the ball out of the socket and shine >a light into the hole I can make the cursor move horizontally by moving the >wheel with my finger, it works fine that way but won't work if I turn off the >light. Any suggestions or comments? >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ben Roy .......just a poor college student.......internet >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben, Since you're obviously adept enough to understand how the trackball works, the only thing short of repairing it that I can think of is a thorough cleaning of all the parts, and then checking for the proper placement of the little blue rollers. Since they aren't fixed in position on their stainless steel pins, you might try sliding them into a slightly different position. On my PowerBook 100, I can slide them almost completely out of contact with the trackball. In fact, one of the notes from sumex on fixing the trackball advocates sliding the roller so that its _edge_ contacts the ball, not the center cylindrical area. I've done this with my PB100, and it does seem to improve the feel, but needs to be adjusted from time to time. I just popped open one of our office's PB170s, and while there isn't as much latitude for movement, one could still adjust the roller slightly. If your PB140 is the same it might help. I would suspect the most likely culprit to be a slippery blue roller. If you can take it out, clean it with a mild soapy solution, or isopropyl alcohol. Also, be sure the ball is grease-free. If you drop the ball in minus the retaining ring, roll the ball and see if it is actually causing the axle to spin. If all this still doesn't solve it, then maybe a new one is in order. :-( It could be an electrical connection, in which case replacement would be necessary. But my experience with both mice and trackballs has been that dirt has been the normal problem, not an electrical malfunction. Hope this helps, Murray -- Murray M. Altheim ""Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille, Instructional Consultant La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille CSU, Sacramento Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict altheimm@csus.edu Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."" " 3388,4,"From: young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (YOUNG Shio Hong) Subject: Looking for free/share wares Nntp-Posting-Host: poplar Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan. Distribution: comp X-Bytes: 285 Lines: 14 Hi! I am looking for ftp sites (where there are freewares or sharewares) for Mac. It will help a lot if there are driver source codes in those ftp sites. Any information is appreciated. Thanks in advance. S. Young Dept. of Info. Sc. Univ. of Tokyo email:young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp " 3389,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 49 In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: ... >Hang on you missed the point entirely, they are protesting the lack of >water because it DEPRIVED Koresh of his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to prove >his DIVINITY by WALKING on it. You can tell, folks, when the man has run out of reason: attack the man's beliefs (in legal terminology, argument ad hominem: attack the man, not what he did that has yet to be proven illegal)> > > >|>>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions. >|> >|>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released >|>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building. > >You can tell that the gas did not burn because dispite the fact that WRONGo. Remember the fire movie a couple of years ago? ""Backdraft""? The scene in the factory with propane gas coming out of pipes and gasoline all over the floor, with a 750 degree flame front overhead? Note that it did not flash all at once? Fires ignite and burn unpredictably. Gases (like tear gas) mix and distribute unevenly. And flash unevenly. You are not a fire analyst. You cannnot tell. (NB: Neither am I. And I cannot tell Nor is the FBI spokesman Nor is Reno Maybe we all should shut up and get a forensics analysis first. >the building was full of it there was no flash of gas flame. Yes,. there was a flash: in one room, just pumped full of it., > > > >Phill Hallam-Baker royc " 3390,4,"From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) Subject: Re: What to put in Centris 650 Internal Bay? Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 31 In article , jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) wrote: > > hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: > >tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: > >>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: > >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with > >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample > >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options > >>>button next to the microphone icon. > >>How do you click on the Options button? I've never seen it undimmed. > > > The latest word on this is you have to disconnect the Microphone > >cable on the motherboard. Then the button is supposed to un-dim. The audio will simply select the CD audio when the microphone is removed. I don't believe the button un-dims, since there's nothing to select. I haven't tracked down a Centris to check this on though. > Sorry, I assumed that the the various new machines with the internal > CD-ROM bay worked the same as the Quadra 900. Obviously they don't. Yup, I made the same mistake several months ago when this issue came up before :-) noah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design ...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. " 3391,15,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Branch Davidians info Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 40 In article clitton@opie.bgsu.edu writes: >From: clitton@opie.bgsu.edu >Subject: Branch Davidians info >Date: 18 Mar 93 07:31:55 GMT >I am looking for any information on the Branch Davidians. Send info to Chad >Litton, ACS Dept. BGSU, Bowling Green OH 43403. Or e-mail to >clitton@andy.bgsu.edu Thanks in advance. I don't claim to be an expert on the branch Davidians, but I might know more than most. The Branch Davidian group (led by Koresh) is actually one of two off-shoots of a group known as the Shephard's Rod. The Shephard's Rod (now defunct as far as I know)broke off from the SDA Church in the 30's. The Shephard's Rod broke away from the SDA Church because they felt that the SDA Church was becoming weak and falling into apostacy. They felt that they were the remnant spoken about in Revelation. About the Koresh group, Koresh gained control of it in 1987 or 1988. Once in control, he made himself the center of it. He proclaimed himself as Christ. Koresh himself came from an SDA background. He was excommunicated as a young adult by the local congregation for trying to exert too much control over the youth in the church. After this, he joined the Branch Davidians. They were/are a survivalist cult. This is why they had the stockpile of weapons, food, a bomb shelter, etc. They had no intent of raiding the US government or anything. They were preparing for Armaggedon and were putting themselves in a self defense position. In my opinion, if the ATF and the FBI had left well enough alone, we wouldn' t have the blood of 20+ children crying out from the ashes in Waco. If you want to know about The Shephard's Rod, you might want to visit the local SDA church and talk to some of the older people. They could give you some insight into where Koresh got his theology. Tammy " 3392,18,"From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) Subject: Representation of Territories? (Was: Re: The $11,250,000,000,000 lunch) Distribution: tx Organization: None Lines: 31 boyd@turtle.fisher.com writes: > In article , cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes: > > BTW, is anyone besides myself peeved that non-US citizens (Puerto > > Ricans, etc.) are very close to having full representation in the U.S. > > House of Representatives? > > > > Sorry Chris, Puerto Ricans are US citizens. OK. I stand corrected. I guess, then, that the comments about payoffs (i.e., ""pork"") to Puerto Ricans that others have been making still stands? Now, everybody, how about some opinion on the following related topic: Should the people who are natives of U.S. territories have representation in the U.S. House of Rep's or the U.S. Congress? The U.S. Constitution sets up the House of Representatives to represent each State in proportion to its population, and the Senate to represent each State equally. What should be done with U.S. territories like Puerto Rico? Does anyone have knowledge about how this was handled in the past, such as with the Louisiana Territory or the Northwest Territory? Chris -- Chris Winemiller Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org UUCP : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil " 3393,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 45 amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >> >>What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat >>to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation' >>been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, >>specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My >>brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and >>make Israeli policy for them! >> >... deleted >I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not >be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across >as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. How would you deal with Arabs who ALWAYS threaten to drive you into the sea or burn half your conuntry? Would you talk nicely? Would you say please? You wouldn't. The language of the middle east is power and force. Sorry - that is the way it is now. If you aren't strong, you go down. Israel has to talk and act tough. Notice, Israel talks and acts tough in battle, but is willing to talk peace. >The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace >after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons: > 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently > most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or > dictators. True - and they have brainwashed their people into thinking Jews are some sort of monsters. Arab non-recognition of Israel and support of war and terror is also an important factor, wouldn't you say? > 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. What do you want Israel to do? They are negotating? I'm sick of people calling for Israel to withdraw from the territories now. That's not realistic, don't you realize that? A solution must be negotiated. It is on the table. Have patience. Ed. " 3394,15,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 36 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >You cannot show, from scripture, that the weekly Sabbath is part of the >ceremonial laws. Before you post a text in reply investigate its context. First of all, ""ceremonial law"" is an extraScriptural term. It is sometimes used as a framework to view Scripture. But if you look at Collosions, without going into it with the assumption that the Sabbath cannot be a ceremonial law, you will see that it does refer to the sabbath. Paul writes in Collosions 2:14-17 how that Christ nailed the laws that were against us to His cross, and therefore we should not be judged in what what food we eat, what we drink, the keeping of new moons and holy days, or the keeping of the sabbath. The word for sabbath in this verse is ""sabbaton"" and is used throughout the New Testament to refer to the 7th day. If there is any Scripture from which we get the idea of the ceremonial law, this is one of them, and the sabbath is listed among the ceremonial laws. If one goes into this with the fundamental assumption ""the sabbath cannot be a ceremonial law"" then he will have to find some way around it, like saying that this can only refer to the other sabbath holy days besides the 7tH day, Because ""the sabbath cannot be a ceremonial law."" But Paul is very careful in his letters to add some kind of parenthetcal statement if there is anything that can be seen as a liscence to sin in his writings. Also, why is the sabbath absent from the epistles (except for Hebrews 4, which talks about the rest that comes through faith?) Surely it would have been a big problem for first century Christians living in a society that did not rest on the 7th day. Especially slaves. Many new converst were slaves. It would have been difficult for slaves to rest on the sabbath if it had been mandatory. Why is there no mention of this in the epistles? Link Hudson. " 3395,15,"From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) Subject: Being right about messiahs Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 39 I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the person claiming to be IT is obviously insane? I'm not saying that David Koresh is the Second Coming of Christ. How could somebody who breaks his word be the Second Coming? Koresh did promise that he would come out of his compound if only he was allowed to give a radio broadcast. He didn't. Still it seems to me that he did fool some people. And, from my meagre knowledge of the Bible, it seems that Christians have been hard on the Jews of Christ's day for being cautious about accepting somebody that their religious authorities didn't accept as the Messiah. So I was surprised that nobody had discussed the difficulty of wanting to be early to recognize the Second Coming while, at the same time, not wanting to be credulously believing just anybody who claims to be God. [Mark 13:21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. Mark 13:22 False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. Mark 13:23 But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand. Mark 13:24 ""But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, Mark 13:25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. Mark 13:26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory. My understanding of Jesus' answer is that, unlike his first coming, which was veiled, the second coming will be quite unmistakeable. He's telling us not to be misled by the other things that have to happen before his second coming -- the actual second coming will make his power openly visible. By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me that he is claiming to be Christ. --clh] " 3396,11,"From: langley@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Randolph Langley) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: FSU Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Lines: 8 In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of 16 Apr 93 15:19:06 GMT Gee, I guess they should also have such a repository for house keys, car keys, safety deposit keys, ... :-( rdl -- " 3397,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Keenan signs with the Rangers!! Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr16.175300.98134@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) writes: >Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers, >and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The >Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the >end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers. >The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because >they were very interested in him. Oh well. At least we got somebody the Flyers wanted ;-) Is this really true? I have not been keeping up with any news. If it is, what's the deal with Neil Smith? Is he gone, too? -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 3398,12,"From: f92anha@fy.chalmers.se (Anders Hammarquist) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Chalmers University of Technology Lines: 11 In article <23321@mindlink.bc.ca> Sean_Oliver@mindlink.bc.ca (Sean Oliver) writes: >> Joseph Mich Krzeszewsk writes: >> 890 the phone company will read the number of the phone you are on > >Where I live, I use BCTEL. The number to dial is 211 for the same result. > In NY City, the number to dial is 958... It seems to be different in different areas. Anders " 3399,5,"From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne) Subject: Is TEK quitting Xterm activities ??? Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC Lines: 13 I caught up a mailmessage from an NCD guy, who stated that Tek might be quitting it's X terminal activities and would be looking for an interested buyer. Since the source of this message is NCD, THIS MIGHT ONLY BE NASTY GOSSIP !!! Can anyone say more about this?? Dick. -- +==============================Ahold NV===============================+ | Room 146 , Ankersmidplein 2, 1506 CK Zaandam, The Netherlands, EEC | | Dick.Heijne@ccsds.ahold.nl - Tel: +31 75 592151, Fax: +31 75 313030 | +=====================================================================+ " 3400,4,"From: rodc@fc.hp.com (Rod Cerkoney) Subject: *$G4qxF,fekVH6 Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmrc.fc.hp.com Organization: Hewlett Packard, Fort Collins, CO X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 15 -- Regards, Rod Cerkoney /\ ______________________________________________ /~~\ / \ Rod Cerkoney MS 37 email: / \ Hewlett Packard rodc@fc.hp.com /\ / \ 3404 East Harmony Rd. Hpdesk: / \/ \ /\ Fort Collins, CO 80525 HP4000/UX / \ \ / \ _____________________________________________/ \ \/ \__ " 3401,1,"From: sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Reply-To: sts@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England Lines: 39 In article <1r6v3a$rj2@fg1.plk.af.mil>, ridout@bink.plk.af.mil (Brian S. Ridout) writes: |> In article <1993Apr15.134802.21995@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) writes: |> |> Has anyone got multiverse to work ? |> |> |> |> I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation. |> |> |> |> There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing |> |> (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed |> |> setting to static - else the client core-dumped) |> |> |> |> Steve |> |> -- |> |> |> |> Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts |> |> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus |> |> | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street |> |> | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury |> |> | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire |> |> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England |> |> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer |> I built it on a rs6000 (my only Motif machine) works fine. I added some objects |> into dogfight so I could get used to flying. This was very easy. |> All in all Cool!. |> Brian The RS6000 compiler is so forgiving, I think that if you mixed COBOL & pascal the C compiler still wouldn't complain. :-) Steve -- Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer " 3402,0,"From: Steve_Mullins@vos.stratus.com Subject: Re: Bible Quiz Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: m72.eng.stratus.com In article <1993Apr16.130430.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote: >In article , kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. >> > Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > of inbreeding to which you are his only son. a) I think that he has a rather witty .sig file. It sums up a great deal of atheistic thought (IMO) in one simple sentence. b) Atheism isn't an ""other religion"". sm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Steve_Mullins@vos.stratus.com () ""If a man empties his purse into his My opinions <> Stratus' opinions () head, no one can take it from him ------------------------------ () ---------------Benjamin Franklin " 3403,0,"Subject: Vonnegut/atheism From: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Lines: 21 Yesterday, I got the chance to hear Kurt Vonnegut speak at the University of New Hampshire. Vonnegut succeeded Isaac Asimov as the (honorary?) head of the American Humanist Association. (Vonnegut is an atheist, and so was Asimov) Before Asimov's funeral, Vonnegut stood up and said about Asimov, ""He's in heaven now,"" which ignited uproarious laughter in the room. (from the people he was speaking to around the time of the funeral) ""It's the funniest thing I could have possibly said to a room full of humanists,"" Vonnegut said at yesterday's lecture. If Vonnegut comes to speak at your university, I highly recommend going to see him even if you've never read any of his novels. In my opinion, he's the greatest living humorist. (greatest living humanist humorist as well) Peace, Dana " 3404,16,"From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: Raid justification was: Blast them next time Distribution: usa Organization: Michigan Tech Lines: 52 Nntp-Posting-Host: physerver.phy.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 03:52:11 GMT, Peter Cash (cash@convex.com) wrote: > I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in > Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after > ""months of investigation"" for their raid. CNN just claimed he bought 104 ""semi-automatic assault rifles"". And they say Koresh wasn't god-like... He managed to buy or build a collection of fully-automatic semi-automatic rifles... Quite a feat, I would say. ;-) They're still making charges of ""sexual abuse"" and such, or course. Nobody seems to have noticed that the Treasury department has nothing to do with sex crimes. Or maybe the feds have recently instituted a TAX on sex crimes... Yeah, that's why the BATF was there, looking for unregistered *guns* (""this is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for...""). > I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused > of stockpiling a bunch of ""9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15 > and M16 assault rifles"". Imagine that--they had ammunition! I also heard that they're claiming to be cautious because of Koresh's ""heated ammunition stockpile"". I seem to recall that smokeless powder tends to decompose at even moderate temperatures. I would be rather surprised, after a fire of that nature, if *any* of his ""stockpile"" is unexploded, or unburned. > They also had > aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't > heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn > furniture...) I seem to recall that aluminum powder is a common component of fireworks... The folks on rec.pyro could probably tell you. > The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been > illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?) I think *anything* is legal if you have the proper license. If he had a ""curios and relics"" permit, I believe he could legally own handgrenades to go with his launcher. -- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- ""...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."" Thomas Jefferson, 1821 " 3405,6,"From: littaum@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau) Subject: Final Public Dragon Magazine Update (Last chance for public bids) Keywords: Dragon Magazine Auction Bid Article-I.D.: leela.1qs7o4$c2r Distribution: usa Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon. Lines: 170 NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu This is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction. If there are no new bids then the current bids stand (like that's gonna happen. :) ). After this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*. The entire auction will end as soon as the bids stop coming in. So if you want to get in on this, be sure to bid now. All bids must be made in *AT LEAST* 25 cent increments. Buyer will pay shipping. (Unless you have any particular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of padding). All dragons are bagged. The condition of them vary quite a bit, so I've come up with my own condition system. Some dragons may be missing items like the inserts. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. * Condition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as most of the material inside is in great shape. Excellent - IE-""As you find them in the store"" Very Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it's been boughten Good - On down the line Very Fair/fair - indicates lots of use (But still ""decent"") Poor - Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by scissors). A * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is missing (usually the insert) I'll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the final public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until the bidding stops) * Again if you have any questions, ask away. * arrow $2.50 056 - Fair *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes - real maps TN.DE7 $3.0 073 - Good - Forest of Doom module (detached but included) - inner planes ykchev $1.75 074 - Good *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons TN.DE7 $1.50 078 - Good/VG - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached but included) - Language lesson geoffrey $1.50 079 - Good/VG - top secret module (detached but included) - magic resistance mayla $2.50 081 - Fair - High level AD&D module (detached but included) - poison - material spell components UCCXKVB $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell research TN.DE7 $1.50 083 - Good/VG - Babba Yagga's Hut module (detached but included) - unarmed combat geoffrey $1.50 084 - Fair *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module squidly $1.75 085 - Good - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics squidly $1.75 087 - Good - Top secret module - Wildernes geoffrey $1.50 088 - Good *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling damage - MARVEL-Phile geoffrey $1.50 089 - Good *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi TN.DE7 $1.5 094 - Good - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II (detached but included) geoffrey $1.50 095 - Fair *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms module, detached but included ykcheu $2.75 098 - Fair - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual UCCXKVB $1.75 099 - Poor *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some pictures cut out thedm $2.50 100 - Good *- poster missing - city beyond the gate module (detached but included) - ""raised dragon"" texture on cover geoffrey $1.50 101 - Fair *- Cover missing - creature catalog III (detached but included) geoffrey $1.50 102 - Fair *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother middle level module (detached but included) geoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana update missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers geoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Unearth arcana update missing geoffrey $1.50 104 - Fair/VF - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached but included geoffrey $1.50 105 - Fair - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back cover detached but included UCCXKVB $2.00 106 - Fair - Cover 1/2 on - variations of paladins - more skills 4 rangers ykcheu $2.75 106 - Good/VG - Variations of paladins - more skills for rangers arrow $2.50 107 - Fair *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory supplement/questionaire geoffrey $1.50 108 - Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects - cover taped reinforced thedm $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects ykcheu $2.25 109 - Good - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster geoffrey $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster missing geoffrey $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv squidly $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv geoffrey $1.50 111 - Good - Murder Mystery AD&D module ykcheu $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters mayla $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class ykcheu $1.75 115 - Good - Theives - harpies & snakes squidly $1.75 116 - Good/VG - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild animals - dr who UCCXKVB $2.50 117 - Good/VG - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage advice - bazaar geoffrey $1.50 118 - Good - Tournaments/Competitions - Nibar's keep game UCCXKVB $2.00 120 - VG/EX - April fool's issue UCCXKVB $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle insert geoffrey $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids UCCXKVB $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry thedm $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry arrow $2.5 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire UCCXKVB $2.25 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire geoffrey $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals geoffrey $1.50 125 - VG/EX - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals UCCXKVB $2.50 126 - VG/EX - Undead UCCXKVB $2.00 127 - Very Good - Fighters 2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good - King's Table insert game 2FVPMANTEL $3.00 129 - Excellent - Demi-humans UCCXKVB $2.50 130 - VG/EX - The arcane arts TFPAYN01 $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth arrow $1.5 131 - VG/EX - Deepearth UCCXKVB $2.0 132 - Very Good - ORCWARS! board game missing arrow $1.5 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index geoffrey $1.50 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index 2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG/EX - 12 anniversary - Dragons tbh1 $2 135 - Very Good - Archers - Space sage advice UCCXKVB $2.0 135 - Very Good - Archers - Space Sage advice tbh1 $4.0 136 - Very Good - Cities & Urban adventures tbh1 $3 137 - Excellent - Wilderness arrow $1.5 138 - Very Good - Horror (Haloween) UCCXKVB $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages UCCXKVB $3.5 140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers tbh1 $3 141 - Good - Humanoids tbh1 $2 142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview UCCXKVB $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM's issue UCCXKVB $2.00 145 - Very Good*- Poster missing - castles thedm $2.5 146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons tbh1 $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic tbh1 $3.5 148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert TN.DE7 $2.0 149 - Excellent - (No particular feature) TN.DE7 $2.00 150 - Excellent - Horror (Halloween issue) TN.DE7 $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures/Eastern TN.DE7 $2.00 152 - Good *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside- slight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection TN.DE7 $2.0 153 - Very Good - Gods TN.DE7 $1.75 154 - Good/VG - Poster - Dragonlance story - War TN.DE7 $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module TN.DE7 $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers thedm $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons UCCXKVB $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing kohlmaas $2.00 160 - Good/VG *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card insert missing UCCXKVB $2.25 161 - Very Good - DM issue TN.DE7 $1.75 162 - Good - Haloween - Poster missing thedm $2.0 163 - Excellent - Monsterous compendum insert - Magic TN.DE7 $2.0 164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures TN.DE7 $1.75 165 - VG/EX - Sea/Undersea TN.DE7 $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert missing TN.DE7 $1.75 167 - Excellent - Nature/Wilderness UCCXKVB $2.5 169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc items featured thedm $2.5 170 - Good - Slight crease in cover - Dragon kings game insert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue UCCXKVB $2.00 171 - Excellent*- Missing poster & trading cards (ARGH!) Cfrye $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark hachiman $2 173 - Excellent - Dark Sun intravai $2 174 - Excellent - Horror intravai $3.00 175 - Excellent - World building - Campaign help TN.DE7 $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside TN.DE7 $1.5 177 - Very Good - Calender poster - DM help (gunpowder too) intravai $3.0 178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class TN.DE7 $2.50 179 - Excellent - GENCON form - Magic items featured TN.DE7 $2.50 181 - Excellent - Calendar Poster - Mages/Sorcerors TN.DE7 $2.50 182 - Excellent - 16 anniversary issue - Dragons TN.DE7 $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement TN.DE7 $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun geoffrey $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror TN.DE7 $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors If you notice any errors, please let me know (other than slight name misspellings, if it's close to your name, that's you. :) ) " 3406,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) Article-I.D.: optilink.15229 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr3.185448.13811@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > In article kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes: # #Slavery makes economic sense (it NEVER makes MORAL sense) when human # #muscle power is an economically valuable asset. Agricultural slavery might # #have lasted right up to the first mechanical cotton reaper, but no # #further; reapers are cheaper than slaves, and don't have to be fed during # #the winter. # # This argument makes a several fundamental errors. First ""agricultural"" # slavery was not limited to production of cotton. In the American south # slave labor was used extensively to grow tobacco, sugar, and rice, all # of which remained labor intensive enterprises well into the 20th century. And of course, in states like Kentucky and Virginia, not well-suited to large-scale plantations, slave labor was used to make one of the most valuable agricultural products of all: more slaves. In some ways, this treatment of humans beings as breeding livestock is the most horrifying aspect of American slavery. # Second, although mechanization of cotton production could be expected to # reduce the demands for labor eventually, it was only in the 1940's # the mechanization of cotton production in the South largely eliminated # the labor intensive character of the operation, long after the ""first # mechanical cotton reaper"" was invented. This is an interesting question. Steinbeck's _Grapes of Wrath_ (published in the 1930s), uses agricultural mechanization of cotton production in Arkansas as the cause of the Joad family being evicted from the land. How many years were involved in the mechanization of cotton farming? When did this first appear? # #Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the # Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 3407,2,"From: mmccolli@comanche.ess.harris.com (Mike McCollister) Subject: Faster OAK VGA drivers??? Nntp-Posting-Host: su100l.ess.harris.com Reply-To: mmccolli@comanche.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division Lines: 21 I'm using an OAK based VGA card on my computer (640x480x256). I've downloaded the driver from ftp.cica.indiana.edu and I've had good luck with it. However, does anyone know if a faster driver is available for this card? Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________________ / /| +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | _________ | | | | | _ _ | Michael J. McCollister | Phone: (407) 729-7054 | | | |_| |_| | | Harris Corporation | Email: | | | |_/\/\/\|_| P.O. Box 94000 | mmccolli@su100l.ess.harris.com | | | | |_| |_| | Mailstop 100/4823 | -------------------------------- | | | |_________| Palm Bay, Florida 32905 | I'm not going to say anything | | | | stupid today. Not! |/ +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 3408,17,"From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 51 In article <1993Apr25.221603.3260@Virginia.EDU>, ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes: > > Dear Mr. Beyer: > > > > It is never wise to confuse ""freedom of speech"" with ""freedom"" > > of racism and violent deragatory."" > > > > It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial > > distinction. > > In fact, if a speach was not offensive to some, its > protection under Freedom of speach laws would be useless. It is > speach that some find questionable that must be protected, be > it religiously blasphemous or inherently racist. It is only > through civilized discourse and not scare tactics that one can > enlighten those that one perceives to be ignorant. That is the > idea behind freedom of expression. > What you find offensive might be perceived as truth by > some and what they might find offensive might be your belief. > It is only through free exchange of ideas (and insults as the > case seems to be with this channel) that one can change > another's erring ways.That is why Jefferson said that here > we are not afraid to ""tolerate error so long as reason is left to > combat it"". Those who forward offensive posts to the sysadmin aren't curtailing anyones' freedom of speech. The neo-nazi movement has a right to make speeches, say anything they want. They do not have a right to have these speeches published by the N.Y. Times. That depends on the Times analysis of the economic and to somewhat extent newsworthy value of those speeches. Likewise to the sysadmin of this fellows system. If he feels his resources are being used in a manner that is not in his best interests, or are perhaps embarassing to his organization, he will act just as the New York Times does, not to be a conduit for these ideas. The poster is after all free-loading off of someone else's pocket book when he posts. He who controls the purse strings has the right to make the decision how he wants those funds spent or not spent. Noone is going to put the poster in jail, unless he bombs a local building as a symbol of his hatred. Freedom of Speech in no way equates to accessibility to conduits of information. The market of ideas has its own ""natural selection"" process that weeds out the ga-ga from the credible ideas that are of importance. Seth Rosenthal Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'. " 3409,6,"From: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) Subject: ROK-STEADY keyboard stand FOR SALE - UPDATE Article-I.D.: geraldo.1qodih$2t2 Reply-To: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) Distribution: usa Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu Originator: djk@tramp.cc.utexas.edu Hello again folks! Been a while since I last sold thangs, but the last time went with no problems, and I'm moving again, so I have a few keyboard stands that I don't need anymore and don't want to drag back across the country. --- Ultimate Support Stand: **Probably SOLD, will see if it is gone by Saturday (pick-up date). --- Rok-Steady 3-tier keyboard stand: $95 or best offer (try me) one x-shaped bottom unit, with two sets of ""arms"" that attach to that to support keyboard (2) above the main ""X"". --- Shipping not included in the above prices, but details can be worked out if you're interested in these items. dan keldsen - djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student? Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death? Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer? M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer? " 3410,11,"From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes: >[Summary elided] >The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when >someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M >the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C. >The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed >from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key >escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted? The description of the chip's operation evidently leaves out some of the key management aspects. Either the K_P is the secret key corresponding to a public key which is broadcast at message initiation, or it is the result of a Diffie-Hellman key exchange or something similar. Either way there must be some protocols beyond those described here. It isn't clear whether they are implemented in the Clipper wiretap chip or must be provided by other system components. Hal Finney " 3411,17,"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 71 In a previous article, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) says: >6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return >conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands >of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under >Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from >returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also >left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to >return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ? >Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge >somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in >his homeland ? You are conveniently ommitting the fact that the Arab governments told the Arab citizens of Israel to leave Israel, join with the Arab armies so that after what they felt like an assured victory occured, these Arabs could return to their former homes, reclaim them as well as anything else they wanted that belonged to Jews. When the Arabs lost, Israel was left with a bunch of people who has just tried to kill them who now wanted back into the country as citizens. What would you have done? Let them in so they could kill Jews? Israel sees those Arabs who stayed as citizens because they were loyal to Israel during the war and didn't leave. Of course some Arabs could have left to avoid the fighting but distinguishing between the two is impossible. Therefore a decision was made based on secuturity of the country. >8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in >Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very >little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many >Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are >not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want >Arabs ? No kibbutz that I have ever visited has any ""employees"" unless they had to hire some people for the restaurants, hotels etc if there weren't enough people ON the kibbutz to do them. In such cases, they are paid properly. If a kibbutz turns away an Arab, 9I have never seen or heard of this) but it reflects only on the membership comittee of that kibbutz, not the whole kibbutz movement. >to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious >communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish >civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests >to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a >secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory. This just shows how ignorant you are of Israeli politics. Although the major parties in Israel aren't religious (however not totally secular), due to the format of the government (coalition) the religious parties have always had a lot of pull since they were needed to form a majority coalition. In fact, from what I heard the present government is the least influenced by the religious parties in the existance of Israel. Israel CANNOT be called a secular state. For instace, Haifa is the only city in the country (except for maybe some Arab cities) where buses run on the Jewish Sabbath. There are many other examples of religion in Israel. Marriages in Israel are NOT contolled by the state, but by Rabbis and Priests. Obviously your disbelief of this fact sheds some light of your ignorance of the country you claim to know so much about. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | " 3412,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 B Summary: Part B Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 912 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part B Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh (Part B of #008) +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | ""Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they | | repeated quite frequently, ""Let the Armenian women have babies | | for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the | | struggle against the Armenians."" Then they said, ""Those | | Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!"" They repeated | | it very often."" | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ ...continued from PART A: The six of them left. They left and I had an attack. I realized that the dan- ger was past, and stopped controlling myself. I relaxed for a moment and the physical pain immediately made itself felt. My heart and kidneys hurt. I had an awful kidney attack. I rolled back and forth on top of those Christmas ornaments, howling and howling. I didn't know where I was or how long this went on. When we figured out the time, later it turned out that I howled and was in pain for around an hour. Then all my strength was gone and I burst into tears, I started feeling sorry for myself, and so on and so forth . . . Then someone came into the room. I think I hear someone calling my name. I want to respond and restrain myself, I think that I'm hallucinating. I am silent, and then it continues: it seems that first a man's voice is calling me, then a woman's. Later I found out that Mamma had sent our neighbor, the one whose apartment she was hiding in, Uncle Sabir Kasumov, to our place, telling him, ""I know that they've killed Lyuda. Go there and at least bring her corpse to me so they don't violate her corpse."" He went and returned empty handed, but Mamma thought he just didn't want to carry the corpse into his apartment. She sent him another time, and then sent his wife, and they were walking through the rooms looking for me, but I didn't answer their calls. There was no light, they had smashed the chandeliers and lamps. They started the pogrom in our apartment around five o'clock, and at 9:30 I went down to the Kasumovs'. I went down the stairs myself. I walked out of the apartment: how long can you wait for your own death, how long can you be cowardly, afraid? Come what will. I walked out and started knocking on the doors one after the next. No one, not on the fifth floor, not on the fourth, opened the door. On the third floor, on the landing of the stairway, Uncle Sabir's son started to shout, ""Aunt Roza, don't cry, Lyuda's alive!"" He knocked on his own door and out came Aunt Tanya, Igor, and after them, Mamma. Aunt Tanya, Uncle Sabir's wife, is an Urdmurt. All of us were in their apartment. I didn't see Karina, but she was in their home, too, Lying delirious, she had a fever. Marina was there too, and my father and mother. All of my family had gathered there. At the door I lost consciousness. Igor and Aunt Tanya carried me into the apartment. Later I found out what they had done to our Karina. Mamma said, ""Lyuda, Karina's in really serious condition, she's probably dying. If she recognizes you, don't cry, don't tell her that her face looks so awful."" It was as though her whole face was paralyzed, you know, everything was pushed over to one side, her eye was all swollen, and everything flowed together, her lips, her cheeks . . . It was as though they had dragged her right side around the whole microdistrict, that's how disfigured her face was. I said, ""Fine."" Mamma was afraid to go into the room, because she went in and hugged Karina and started to cry. I went in. As soon as I saw her my legs gave way. I fell down near the bed, hugged her legs and started kissing them and crying. She opened the eye that was intact, looked at me, and said, ""Who is it?"" But I could barely talk, my whole face was so badly beaten. I didn't say, but rather muttered something tender, something incomprehensible, but tender, ""My Karochka, my Karina, my little golden one . . . "" She understood me. Then Igor brought me some water, I drank it down and moistened Karina's lips. She started to groan. She was saying something to me, but I couldn't understand it. Then I made out, ""It hurts, I hurt all over."" Her hair was glued down with blood. I stroked her forehead, her head, she had grit on her forehead, and on her lips . . . She was groaning again, and I don't know how to help her. She calls me over with her hand, come closer. I go to her. She's saying something to me, but I can't understand her. Igor brings her a pencil and paper and says, ""Write it down."" She shakes her head as if to say, no, I can't write. I can't understand what she's saying. She wanted to tell me something, but she couldn't. I say, ""Karina, just lie there a little while, then maybe you'll feel better and you can tell me then."" And then she says, ""Maybe it'll be too late."" And I completely . . . just broke down, I couldn't control myself. Then I moistened my hand in the water and wiped her forehead and eye. I dipped a handkerchief into the water and squeezed a little water onto her lips. She says, ""Lyuda, we're not saved yet, we have to go somewhere else. Out of this damned house. They want to kill us, I know. They'll find us here, too. We need to call Urshan."" She repeated this to me for almost a whole hour, Until I understood her every word. I ask, ""What's his number?"" Urshan Feyruzovich, that's the head of the administration where she works. ""We have to call him."" But I didn't know his home number. I say, ""Karina, what's his number?"" She says, ""I can't remember."" I say, ""Who knows his number? Who can I call?"" She says, ""I don't know anything, leave me alone."" I went out of the room. Igor stayed to watch over her and sat there, he was crying, too. I say, ""Mamma, Karina says that we have to call Urshan. How can we call him? Who knows his telephone number?"" I tell Marina, ""Think, think, who can we call to find out?"" She started calling; several people didn't answer. She called a girlfriend, her girlfriend called another girlfriend and found out the number and called us back. The boss's wife answered and said he was at the dacha. My voice keeps cracking, I can't talk normally. She says, ""Lyuda, don't panic, get a hold of yourself, go out to those hooligans and tell them that they just can't do that."" She still didn't know what was really going on. I said, ""It's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what's happening. They are killing people here. I don't think there is a single Armenian left in the building, they've cut them all up. I'm even surprised that we managed to save ourselves. ""She says, ""Well, OK, if it's that serious . . . "" And all the same she's thinking that my emotions are all churned up and that I'm fearing for my life, that in fact it's not all that bad. ""OK, fine, fine,"" she says, ""if you're afraid, OK, as soon as Urshan comes back I'll send him over."" We called again because they had just started robbing the apartment directly under Aunt Tanya's, on the second floor, Asya Dallakian's apartment. She wasn't home, she was staying with her daughter in Karabagh. They destroyed everything there . . . We realized that they still might come back. We kept on trying to get through to Aunt Tanya--Urshan's wife is named Tanya too and finally we get through. She says, ""Yes, he's come home, he's leaving for your place now."" He came. Of course he didn't know what was happening, either, because he brought two of his daughters with him. He came over in his jeep with his two daughters, like he was going on an outing. He came and saw what shape we were in and what was going on in town and got frightened. He has grown up daughters, they're almost my age. The three of us carried out Karina, tossed a coat on her and a warm scarf, and went down to his car. He took Karina and me to the Maternity Home. . . No, first they took us to the po]ice precinct. They had stretchers ready. As soon as we got out of the car they put Karina and me on stretchers and said that we were in serious condition and that we mustn't move, we might have fractures. From the stretcher I saw about 30 soldiers sitting and lying on the first floor, bandaged, on the concrete floor, groaning . . . This was around eleven o'clock at night. We had left the house somewhere around 1:30. When I saw those soldiers I realized that a war was going on: soldiers, enemies . . . everything just like a war. They carried me into some office on the stretcher. The emergency medical people from Baku were there. The medical attendant there was an older Armenian. Urshan told him what they had done to Karina because she's so proud she would never have told. And this aging Armenian . . . his name was Uncle Arkady, I think, because someone said ""Arkady, get an injection ready,"" he started to fill a syringe, and turned around so as to give Karina a shot. But when he looked at her face he became ill. And he was an old man, in his sixties, his hair was all grey, and his moustache, too. He hugged Karina and started to cry: ""What have they done to you?!"" He was speaking Armenian. ""What have they done to you?!"" Karina didn't say anything. Mamma came in then, and she started to cry, too. The man tried to calm her. ""I'll give you a shot."" Mamma tells him, ""I don't need any shot. Where is the government? Just what are they doing? Look what they've done to my children! They're killing people, and you're just sitting here!"" Some teacups were standing on the table in there. ""You're sitting here drinking tea! Look what they've done to my daughters! Look what they've turned them into!"" They gave her something to drink, some heart medicine, I think. They gave Karina an injection and the doctor said that she had to be taken to the Maternity Home immediately. Papa and Urshan, I think, even though Papa was in bad shape, helped carry Karina out. When they put her on the stretcher, none of the medics got near her. I don't know, maybe there weren't any orderlies. Then they came to me: ""What's the matter with you?"" Their tone was so official that I wrapped myself tighter in the half-length coat. I had a blanket on, too, an orange one, Aunt Tanya's. I said, ""I'm fine."" Uncle Arkady came over and was soothing me, and then told the doctor, ""You leave, let a woman examine her."" A woman came, an Azerbaijani, I believe, and said, ""What's wrong with you?"" I was wearing my sister Lyuda's nightshirt, the sister who at this time was in Yerevan. When she was nursing her infant she had cut out a big hole in it so that it would be easier to breast feed the baby. I tore the night shirt some more and showed her. I took it off my shoulders and turned my back to her. There was a huge wound, about the size of a hand, on my back, from the Indian vase. She said something to them and they gave me two shots. She said that it should be dressed with something, but that they'd do that in the hospital. They put me on a stretcher, too. They started looking for people to carry me. I raised up my head a little and wanted to sit up, and this woman, I don't know if she was a doctor or a nurse, said, ""Lie still, you mustn't move."" When I was lying back down I saw two policemen leading a man. His profile seemed very familiar to me. I shouted, ""Stop!"" One of the policemen turned and says, ""What do you want?"" I say, ""Bring him to me, I want to look at him."" They brought him over and I said, ""That person was just in our apartment and he just raped me and my sister. I recognize him, note it down."" They said, ""Fine,"" but didn't write it down and led him on. I don't know where they were taking him. Then they put my stretcher near where the injured and beaten soldiers were sitting. They went to look for the ambulance driver so he would bring the car up closer. One of the soldiers started talking to me, ""Sister . . . "" I don't remember the conversation exactly, but he asked me were we lived and what they did to us. I asked him, ""Where are you from?"" He said that he was from Ufa. Apparently they were the first that were brought in. The Ufa police. Later I learned that they suffered most of all. He says, ""OK, you're Armenians, they didn't get along with you, but I'm a Russian,"" he says, ""what are they trying to kill me for?"" Oh, I remembered something else. When I went out onto the balcony with Kuliyev for a hammer and nails I looked out the window and saw two Azerbaijanis beating a soldier near the kindergarten. He was pressed against the fence and he covered his head with his arms, they were beating him with his own club. The way he cried ""Mamma"" made my skin crawl. I don't know what they did to him, if he's still alive or not. And something else. Before he attack on our house we saw sheets, clothes, and some dishes flying from the third or fourth floor of the neighboring building, but I didn't think it was Azerbaijanis attacking Armenians. I thought that something was on fire or they were throwing something they didn't need out, or someone was fighting with someone. It was only later, when they were burning a passenger car in the yard, when the neighbors said that they were doing that to the Armenians, that I realized that this was serious, that it was anti-Armenian. They took Karina and me to the Sumgait Maternity Home. Mamma went to them too and said, ""I've been beaten too, help me."" But they just ignored her. My father went to them and said in a guilty voice, as though it was his fault that he'd been beaten, and says, ""My ribs hurt so much, those creeps have probably broken my ribs. Please look at them."" The doctor says, ""That's not my job."" Urshan said, ""Fine, I'll take you to my place and if we need a doctor, I'll find you one. I'll bring one and have him look at you. And he drove them to his apartment. Marina and I stayed there. They examined us. I was more struck by what the doctor said than by what those Azerbaijanis in our apartment did to us. I wasn't surprised when they beat us they wanted to beat us, but I was very surprised that in a Soviet medical facility a woman who had taken the Hippocratic Oath could talk to victims like that. By happy--or unhappy-- coincidence we were seen by the doctor that had delivered our Karina. And she, having examined Karina, said, ""No problem, you got off pretty good. Not like they did in Kafan, when you Armenians were killing and raping our women. ""Karina was in such terrible condition that she couldn't say anything--she would certainly have had something to say! Then they examined me. The same story. They put us in a separate ward. No shots, no medicinal powders, no drugs. Absolutely none! They didn't even give us tea. All the women there soon found out that in ward such and such were Armenians who had been raped. And they started coming and peering through the keyhole, the way people look at zoo animals. Karina didn't see this, she was lying there, and I kept her from seeing it. They put Ira B. in our ward. She had also been raped. True, she didn't have any serious bodily injuries, but when she told me what had happened at their place, I felt worse for them than I did for us. Because when they raped Ira her daughter was in the room, she was under the bed on which it happened. And Ira was holding her daughter's hand, the one who was hiding under the bed. When they were beating Ira or taking her earrings off, gold, when she involuntarily let go of her daughter's hand, her daughter took her hand again. Her daughter is in the fourth grade, she's 11 years old. I felt really awful when I heard that. Ira asked them not to harm her daughter, she said, ""Do what you want with me, just leave my daughter alone."" Well, they did what they wanted. They threatened to kill her daughter if she got in their way. Now I would be surprised if the criminals had behaved any other way that night. It was simply Bartholomew's Night, I say, they did what they would love to do every day: steal, kill, rape . . . Many are surprised that those animals didn't harm the children. The beasts explained it like this: this would be repeated in 15 to 20 years, and those children would be grown, and then, as they put it, ""we'll come take the pleasure out of their lives, those children."" This was about the girls that would be young women in 15 years. They were thinking about their tomorrow because they were sure that there would be no trial and no investigation, just as there was no trial or investigation in 1915, and that those girls could be of some use in 15 years. This I heard from the investigators; one of the victims testified to it. That's how they described their own natures, that they would still be bloodthirsty in 15 to 20 years, and in 100 years--they themselves said that. And this, too. Everyone is surprised that they didn't harm our Marina. Many people say that they either were drunk or had smoked too much. I don't know why their eyes were red. Maybe because they hadn't slept the night before, maybe for some other reason, I don't know. But they hadn't been smoking and they weren't drunk, I'm positive, because someone who has smoked will stop at nothing he has the urge to do. And they spoke in a cultured fashion with Marina: ""Little sister, don't be afraid, we won't harm you, don't look over there [where I was], you might be frightened. You're a Muslim, a Muslim woman shouldn't see such things."" So they were really quite sober . . . So we came out of that story alive. Each every day we have lived since it all happened bears the mark of that day. It wasn't even a day, of those several hours. Father still can't look us in the eyes. He still feels guilty for what happened to Karina, Mother, and me. Because of his nerves he's started talk- ing to himself, I've heard him argue with himself several times when he thought no one is listening: ""Listen,"" he'll say, ""what could I do? What could I do alone, how could I protect them?"" I don't know where to find the words, it's not that I'm happy, but I am glad that he didn't see it all happen. That's the only thing they spared us . . . or maybe it happened by chance. Of course he knows it all, but there's no way you could imagine every last detail of what happened. And there were so many conversations: Karina and I spoke together in private, and we talked with Mamma, too. But Father was never present at those conversations. We spare him that, if you can say that. And when the investigator comes to the house, we don't speak with Father present. On February 29, the next clay, Karina and I were discharged from the hospital. First they released me, but since martial law had been declared in the city, the soldiers took me to the police precinct in an armored personnel carrier. There were many people there, Armenian victims. I met the Tovmasian family there. From them I learned that Rafik and their Uncle Grant had died. They were sure that both had died. They were talking to me and Raya, Rafik's wife and Grant's daughter, and her mother, were both crying. Then they took us all out of the office on the first floor into the yard. There's a little one-room house outside there, a recreation and reading area. They took us in there. The women were afraid to go because they thought that they were shooing us out of the police precinct because it had become so dangerous that even the people working at the precinct wanted to hide. The women were shouting. They explained to them: ""We want to hide you better because it's possible there will be an attack on the police precinct."" We went into the little house. There were no chairs or tables in there. We had children with us and they were hungry; we even had infants who needed to have their diapers changed. No one had anything with them. It was just awful. They kept us there for 24 hours. From the window of the one room house you could see that there were Azerbaijanis standing on the fences around the police precinct, as though they were spying on us. The police precinct is surrounded by a wall, like a fence, and it's electrified, but if they were standing on the wall, it means the electricity was shut off. This brought great psychological pressure to bear on us, particularly on those who hadn't just walked out of their apartments, but who hadn't slept for 24 hours, or 48, or those who had suffered physically and spiritually, the ones who had lost family members. For us it was another ordeal. We were especially frightened when all the precinct employees suddenly disappeared. We couldn't see a single person, not in the courtyard and not in the windows. We thought that they must have already been hiding under the building, that they must have some secret room down there. People were panicking: they started throwing themselves at one another . . . That's the way it is on a sinking ship. We heard those people, mainly young people, whistling and whopping on the walls. We felt that the end was approaching. I was completely terrified: I had left Karina in the hospital and didn't know where my parents were. I was sort of calm about my parents, I was thinking only about Karina, if, Heaven forbid, they should attack the hospital, they would immediately tell them that there was an Armenian in there, and something terrible would happen to Karina again, and she wouldn't be able to take it. Then soldiers with dogs appeared. When they saw the dogs some of the people climbed down off the fence. Then they brought in about another 30 soldiers. They all had machine guns in readiness, their fingers on the triggers. We calmed down a little. They brought us chairs and brought the children some little cots and showed us where we could wash our hands, and took the children to the toilet. But we all sat there hungry, but to be honest, it would never have occurred to any of us that we hadn't eaten for two days and that people do eat. Then, closer to nightfall, they brought a group of detained criminals. They were being watched by soldiers with guard dogs. One of the men came back from the courtyard and told us about it. Raya Tovmasian . . . it was like a different woman had been substituted. Earlier she had been crying, wailing, and calling out: ""Oh, Rafik!,"" but when she heard about this such a rage came over her! She jumped up, she had a coat on, and she started to roll up her sleeves like she was getting ready to beat someone. And suddenly there were soldiers, and dogs, and lots of people. She ran over to them. The bandits were standing there with their hands above their heads facing the wall. She went up to one of them and grabbed him by the collar and started to shake and thrash him! Then, on to a second, and a third. Everyone was rooted to the spot. Not one of the soldiers moved, no one went up to help or made her stop her from doing it. And the bandits fell down and covered their heads with their hands, muttering something. She came back and sat down, and something akin to a smile appeared on her face. She became so quiet: no tears, no cries. Then that round was over and she went back to beat them again. She was walking and cursing terribly: take that, and that, they killed my husband, the bastards, the creeps, and so on. Then she came back again and sat down. She probably did this the whole night through, well, it wasn't really night, no one slept. She went five or six times and beat them and returned. And she told the women, ""What are you sitting there for? They killed your husbands and children, they raped, and you're just sitting there. You're sitting and talking as though nothing had happened. Aren't you Armenians?"" She appealed to everyone, but no one got up. I was just numb, I didn't have the strength to beat anyone, I could barely hold myself up, all the more so since I had been standing for so many hours--I was released at eleven o'clock in the morning and it was already after ten at night because there weren't enough chairs, really it was the elderly and women with children who sat. I was on my feet the whole time. There was nothing to breathe, the door was closed, and the men were smoking. The situation was deplorable. At eleven o'clock at night policemen came for us, local policemen, Azerbaijanis. They said, ""Get up. They've brought mattresses, you can wash up and put the children to bed."" Now the women didn't want to leave this place, either. The place had become like home, it was safe, there were soldiers with dogs. If anyone went outside, the soldiers would say, ""Oh, it's our little family,"" and things like that. The soldiers felt this love, and probably, for the first time in their lives perceived themselves as defenders. Everyone spoke from the heart, cried, and hugged them and they, with their loaded machine guns in their hands, said, ""Grandmother, you mustn't approach me, I'm on guard."" Our people would say, ""Oh, that's all right."" They hugged them, one woman even kissed one of the machine guns. This was all terribly moving for me. And the small children kept wanting to pet the dogs. They took us up to the second floor and said, ""You can undress and sleep in here. Don't be afraid, the precinct is on guard, and it's quiet in the city."" This was the 29th, when the killing was going on in block 41A and in other places. Then we were told that all the Armenians were being gathered at the SK club and at the City Party Committee. They took us there. On the way I asked them to stop at the Maternity Home: I wanted to take Karina with me. I didn't know what was happening there. They told me, ""Don't worry, the Maternity Home is full of soldiers, more than mothers-to-be. So you can rest assured. I say, ""Well, I won't rest assured regardless, because the staff in there is capable of anything."" When I arrived at the City Party Committee it turned out that Karina had already been brought there. They had seen fit to release her from the hospi- tal, deciding that she felt fine and was no longer in need of any care. Once we were in the City Party Committee we gave free reign to our tears. We met acquaintances, but everyone was somehow divided into two groups, those who hadn't been injured, who were clothed, who had brought a pot of food with them, and so on, and those, like me, like Raya, who were wearing whatever had come their way. There were even people who were all made up, dolled up like they had come from a wedding. There were people without shoes, naked people, hungry people, those who were crying, and those who had lost someone. And of course the stories and the talk were flying: ""Oh, I heard that they killed him!"" ""What do you mean they killed him!"" ""He stayed at work!"" ""Do you know what's happening at this and such a plant? Talk like that. And then I met Aleksandr Mikhailovich Gukasian, the teacher. I know him very well and respect him highly. I've known him for a long time. They had a small room, well really it was more like a study-room. We spent a whole night talking in that study once. On March 1 we heard that Bagirov [First Secretary of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] had arrived. Everyone ran to see Bagirov, what news he had brought with him and how this was all being viewed from outside. He arrived and everyone went up to him to talk to him and ask him things. Everyone was in a tremendous rage. But he was protected by soldiers, and he went up to the second floor and didn't deign to speak with the people. Apparently he had more important things to do. Several hours passed. Gukasian called me and says, ""Lyudochka, find another two or three. We're going to make up lists, they asked for them upstairs, lists of the dead, those whose whereabouts are unknown, and lists of people who had pogroms of their apartments and of those whose cars were burned."" I had about 50 people in my list when they called me and said, ""Lyuda, your Mamma has arrived, she's looking for you, she doesn't believe that you are alive and well and that you're here."" I gave the lists to someone and asked them to continue what I was doing and went off. The list was imprecise, of course. It included Grant Adamian, Raya Tovmasian's father, who was alive, but at the time they thought him dead. There was Engels Grigorian's father and aunt, Cherkez and Maria. The list also included the name of my girlfriend and neighbor, Zhanna Agabekian. One of the guys said that he had been told that they chopped her head off in the courtyard in front of the Kosmos movie theater. We put her on the list too, and cried, but later it turned out that that was just a rumor, that in fact an hour earlier she had somehow left Sumgait for the marina and from there had set sail for Krasnovodsk, where, thank God, she was alive and well. I should also say that in addition to those who died that list contained people who were rumored missing or who were so badly wounded that they were given up for dead. 3 All the lists were taken to Bagirov. I don't remember how many dead were contained in the list, but it's a fact that when Gukasian came in a couple of minutes later he was cursing and was terribly irate. I asked, ""What's going on?"" He said, ""Lyuda, can you imagine what animals, what scoundrels they are! They say that they lost the list of the dead. Piotr Demichev [Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR] has just arrived, and we were supposed to submit the list to him, so that he'd see the scope of the slaughter, of the tragedy, whether it was one or fifty."" They told him that the list had disappeared and they should ask everyone who hadn't left for the Khimik boarding house all over again. There were 26 people on our second list. I think that the number 26 was the one that got into the press and onto television and the radio, because that's the list that Demichev got. I remember exactly that there were 26 people on the list, I had even told Aleksandr Mikhailovich that that was only a half of those that were on the first list. He said, ""Lyuda, please, try to remember at least one more."" But I couldn't remember anyone else. But there were more than 30 dead. Of that I am certain. The government and the Procuracy don't count the people who died of fright, like sick people and old people whose lives are threatened by any shock. They weren't registered as victims of the Sumgait tragedy. And then there may be people we didn't know. So many people left Sumgait between March 1 and 8! Most of them left for smaller towns in Russia, and especially to the Northern Caucasus, to Stavropol, and the Krasnodarsk Territory. We don't have any information on them. I know that there are people who set out for parts around Moscow. In the periodical Krestyanka [Woman Farmer] there was a call for people who know how to milk cows, and for mechanics, and drivers, and I know a whole group of people went to help out. Also clearly not on our list are those people who died entering the city, who were burned in their cars. No one knows about them, except the Azerbaijanis, who are hardly likely to say anything about it. And there's more. A great many of the people who were raped were not included in the list drawn up at the Procuracy. I know of three instances for sure, and I of course don't know them all. I'm thinking of three women whose parents chose not to publicize what had happened, that is, they didn't take the matter to court, they simply left. But in so doing they didn't cease being victims. One of them is the first cousin of my classmate Kocharian. She lived in Microdistrict No. 8, on the fifth floor. I can't tell you the building number and I don't know her name. Then comes the neighbor of one of my relatives, she lived in Microdistrict 1 near the gift shop. I don't know her name, she lives on the same landing as the Sumgait procurator. They beat her father, he was holding the door while his daughter hid, but he couldn't hold the door forever, and when she climbed over the balcony to the neighbors' they seized her by her braid. Like the Azerbaijanis were saying, it was a very cultured mob, because they didn't kill anyone, they only raped them and left. And the third one . . . I don't remember who the third one was anymore. They transferred us on March 1. Karina still wasn't herself. Yes, we lived for days in the SK, in the cultural facility, and at the Khimik. They lived there and I lived at the City Party Committee because I couldn't stay with Karina; it was too difficult for me, but I was at peace: she had survived. I could already walk, but really it was honest words that held me up. Thanks to the social work I did there, I managed to persevere. Aleksandr Mikhailovich said, ""If it weren't for the work I would go insane."" He and I put ourselves in gear and took everything upon ourselves: someone had an infant and needed diapers and free food, and we went to get them. The first days we bought everything, although we should have received it for free. They were supposed to have been dispensed free of charge, and they sold it to us. Then, when we found out it was free, we went to Krayev. At the time, fortunately, you could still drop by to see him like a neighbor, all the more so since everything was still clearly visible on our faces. Krayev sent a captain down and he resolved the issue. On March 2 they sent two investigators to see us: Andrei Shirokov and Vladimir Fedorovich Bibishev. The way it worked out, in our family they had considered only Karina and me victims, maybe because she and I wound up in the hospital. Mother and Father are considered witnesses, but not victims. Shirokov was involved with Karina's case, and Bibishev, with mine. After I told him everything, he and I planned to sit down with the identikit and record everyone I could remember while everything was still fresh in my mind. We didn't work with the identikit until the very last day because the conditions weren't there. The investigative group worked slowly and did poor quality work solely because the situation wasn't conducive to working: there weren't enough automobiles, especially during the time when there was a curfew, and there were no typewriters for typing transcripts, and no still or video cameras. I think that this was done on purpose. We're not so poor that we can't supply our investigators with all that stuff. It was done especially to draw out the investigation, all the more so since the local authorities saw that the Armenians were leaving at the speed of light, never to return to Sumgait. And the Armenians had a lot to say I came to an agreement with Bibishev, I told him myself, ""Don't you worry, if it takes us a month or two months, I'll be here. I'm not afraid, I looked death in the eyes five times in those two days, I'll help you conduct the investigation."" He and I worked together a great deal, and I used this to shelter Karina, I gave them so much to do that for a while they didn't have the time to get to her, so that she would at least have a week or two to get back to being her- self. She was having difficulty breathing so we looked for a doctor to take x- rays. She couldn't eat or drink for nine days, she was nauseous. I didn't eat and drank virtually nothing for five days. Then, on the fifth day, when we were in Baku already, the investigator told me, ""How long can you go on like this? Well fine, so you don't want to eat, you don't love yourself, you're not taking care of yourself, but you gave your word that you would see this investigation through. We need you."" Then I started eating, because in fact I was exhausted. It wasn't enough that I kept seeing those faces in our apart- ment in my mind, every day I went to the investigative solitary confinement cells and prisons. I don't know . . . we were just everywhere! Probably in every prison in the city of Baku and in all the solitary confinement cells of Sumgait. At that time they had even turned the drunk tank into solitary confinement. Thus far I have identified 31 of the people who were in our apartment. Mamma identified three, and Karina, two. The total is 36. Marina didn't identify anyone, she remembers the faces of two or three, But they weren't among the photographs of those detained. I told of the neighbor I recognized. The one who went after the axe. He still hasn't been detained, he's still on the loose. He's gone, and it's not clear if he will be found or not. I don't know his first or last name. I know which building he lived in and I know his sisters' faces. But he's not in the city. The investigators informed me that even if the investigation is closed and even if the trial is over they will continue looking for him. The 31 people I identified are largely blue-collar workers from various plants, without education, and of the very lowest level in every respect. Mostly their ages range from 20 to 30 years; there was one who was 48. Only one of them was a student. He was attending the Azerbaijan Petroleum and Chemical Institute in Sumgait, his mother kept trying to bribe the investiga- tor. Once, thinking that I was an employee and not a victim, she said in front of me ""I'll set you up a restaurant worth 500 rubles and give you 600 in cash simply for keeping him out of Armenia,"" that is, to keep him from landing in a prison on Armenian soil. They're all terribly afraid of that, because if the investigator is talking with a criminal and the criminal doesn't confess even though we identified him, they tell him--in order to apply psychological pressure--they say, ""Fine, don't confess, just keep silent. When you're in an Armenian prison, when they find out who you are, they'll take care of you in short order."" That somehow gets to them. Many give in and start to talk. The investigators and I were in our apartment and videotaped the entire pogrom of our apartment, as an investigative experiment. It was only then that I saw the way they had left our apartment. Even without knowing who was in our apartment, you could guess. They stole, for example, all the money and all the valuables, but didn't take a single book. They tore them up, burned them, poured water on them, and hacked them with axes. Only the Materials from the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and James Fenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohigans. Oh yes, lunch was ready, we were boiling a chicken, and there were lemons for tea on the table. After they had been in our apartment, both the chicken and the lemons were gone. That's enough to tell you what kind of people were in our apartment, people who don't even know anything about books. They didn't take a single book, but they did take worn clothing, food, and even the cheapest of the cheap, worn-out slippers. Of those whom I identified, four were Kafan Azerbaijanis living in Sumgait. Basically, the group that went seeking ""revenge""--let's use their word for it--was joined by people seeking easy gain and thrill-seekers. I talked with one of them. He had gray eyes, and somehow against the back-drop of all that black I remembered him specifically because of his of his eyes. Besides taking part in the pogrom of our apartment, he was also involved in the murder of Tamara Mekhtiyeva from Building 16. She was an older Armenian who had recently arrived from Georgia, she lived alone and did not have anyone in Sumgait. I don't know why she had a last name like that, maybe she was married to an Azerbaijani. I had laid eyes on this woman only once or twice, and know nothing about her. I do know that they murdered her in her apartment with an axe. Murdering her wasn't enough for them. They hacked her into pieces and threw them into the tub with water. I remember another guy really well too, he was also rather fair-skinned. You know, all the people who were in our apartment were darker than dark, both their hair and their skin. And in contrast with them, in addition to the grey- eyed one, I remember this one fellow, the one l took to be a Lezgin. I identified him. As it turned out he was Eduard Robertovich Grigorian, born in the city of Sumgait, and he had been convicted twice. One of our own. How did I remember him? The name Rita was tattooed on his left or right hand. I kept thinking, is that Rita or ""puma,"" which it would be if you read the word as Latin characters instead of Cyrillic, because the Cyrillic ""T"" was the one that looks like a Latin ""M."" When they led him in he sat with his hands behind his back. This was at the confrontation. He swore on every holy book, tried to put in an Armenian word here and there to try and spark my compassion, and told me that I was making a mistake, and called me ""dear sister."" He said, ""You're wrong, how could I, an Armenian, raise my hand against my own, an Armenian,"" and so on. He spoke so convincingly that even the investigator asked me, ""Lyuda, are you sure it was he?"" I told him, ""I'll tell you one more identifying mark. If I'm wrong I shall apologize and say I was mistaken. The name Rita is tattooed on his left or right hand."" He went rigid and became pale. They told him, ""Put your hands on the table."" He put his hands on the table with the palms up. I said, ""Now turn your hands over,"" but he didn't turn his hands over. Now this infuriated me. If he had from the very start acknowledged his guilt and said that he hadn't wanted to do it, that they forced him or something else, I would have treated him somewhat differently. But he insolently stuck to his story, ""No, I did not do anything, it wasn't me."" When they turned his hands over the name Rita was in fact tattooed on his hand. His face distorted and he whispered something wicked. I immediately flew into a rage. There was an ashtray on the table, a really heavy one, made out of granite or something, very large, and it had ashes and butts in it. Catching myself quite by surprise, I hurled that ashtray at him. But he ducked and the ashtray hit the wall, and ashes and butts rained down on his head and back. And he smiled. When he smiled it provoked me further. I don't know how, but I jumped over the table between us and started either pounding him or strangling him; I no longer remember which. When I jumped I caught the microphone cord. The investigator was there, Tolya . . .I no longer recall his last name, and he says, ""Lyudochka, it's a Japanese microphone! Please . . . "" And shut off all the equipment on the spot, it was all being video taped. They took him away. I stayed, and they talked to me a little to calm me down, because we needed to go on working, I only remember Tolya telling me, ""You're some actress! What a performance!"" I said, ""Tolya, honestly . . . "" Beforehand they would always tell me, ""Lyuda, more emotion. You speak as calmly as if nothing had happened to you."" I say, ""I don't have any more strength or emotion. All my emotions are behind me now, I no longer have the strength . . . I don't have the strength to do anything."" And he says, ""Lyuda, how were you able to do that?"" And when I returned to normal, drinking tea and watching the tape, I said, ""Can I really have jumped over that table? I never jumped that high in gym class."" So you could say the gang that took over our apartment was international. Of the 36 we identified there was an Armenian, a Russian, Vadim Vorobyev, who beat Mamma, and 34 Azerbaijanis. At the second meeting with Grigorian, when he had completely confessed his guilt, he told of how on February 27 the Azerbaijanis had come knocking. Among them were guys--if you can call them guys--he knew from prison. They said, ""Tomorrow we're going after the Armenians. Meet us at the bus station at three o'clock."" He said, ""No, I'm not coming."" They told him, ""If you don't come we'll kill you."" He said, ""Alright, I'll come."" And he went. They also went to visit my classmate from our microdistrict, Kamo Pogosian. He had also been in prison; I think that together they had either stolen a motorcycle or dismantled one to get some parts they needed. They called him out of his apartment and told him the same thing: ""Tomorrow we're going to get the Armenians. Be there."" He said, ""No."" They pulled a knife on him. He said, ""I'm not going all the same."" And in the courtyard on the 27th they stabbed him several times, in the stomach. He was taken to the hospital. I know he was in the hospital in Baku, in the Republic hospital. If we had known about that we would have had some idea of what was to come on the 28th. I'll return to Grigorian, what he did in our apartment. I remember that he beat me along with all the rest. He spoke Azerbaijani extremely well. But he was very fair-skinned, maybe that led me to think that they had it out for him, too. But later it was proved that he took part in the beating and burning of Shagen Sargisian. I don't know if he participated in the rapes in our apartment; I didn't see, I don't remember. But the people who were in our apartment who didn't yet know that he was an Armenian said that he did. I don't know if he confessed or not, and I myself don't recall because I blacked out very often. But I think that he didn't participate in the rape of Karina because he was in the apartment the whole time. When they carried her into the courtyard, he remained in the apartment. At one point I was talking with an acquaintance about Edik Grigorian. From her I learned that his wife was a dressmaker, his mother is Russian, he doesn't have a father, and that he's been convicted twice. Well this will be his third and, I hope, last sentence. He beat his wife, she was eternally coming to work with bruises. His wife was an Armenian by the name of Rita. The others who were detained . . . well they're little beasts. You really can't call them beasts, they're just little beasts. They were robots carrying out someone else's will, because at the investigation they all said, ""I don't understand how I could have done that, I was out of my head."" But we know that they were won around to it and prepared for it, that's why they did it. In the name of Allah, in the name of the Koran, in the name of propagating Islam-- that's holy to them--that's why they did everything they were commanded to do. Because I saw they didn't have minds of their own, I'm not talking about their level of cultural sophistication or any higher values. No education, they work, have a slew of children without the means to raise them properly, they crowd them in, like at the temporary housing, and apparently, they were promised that if they slaughtered the Armenians they would receive apartments. So off they went. Many of them explained their participation saying, ""they promised us apartments."" Among them was one who genuinely repented. I am sure that he repented from the heart and that he just despised himself after the incident. He worked at a children's home, an Azerbaijani, he has two children, and his wife works at the children's home too. Everything that they acquired, everything that they have they earned by their own labor, and wasn't inherited from parents or grandparents. And he said, ""I didn't need anything I just don't know . . . how I ended up in that; it was like some hand was guiding me. I had no will of my own, I had no strength, no masculine dignity, nothing."" And the whole time I kept repeating, ""Now you imagine that someone did the same to your young wife right before your own eyes."" He sat there and just wailed. But that leader in the Eskimo dogskin coat was not detained. He performed a marvelous disappearing act, but I think that they'll get onto him, they just have to work a little, because that Vadim, that boy, according to his grandfather, is in touch with the young person who taught him what to do, how to cover his tracks. He was constantly exchanging jackets with other boys he knew and those he didn't, either, and other things as well, and changed himself like a chameleon so they wouldn't get onto him, but he was detained. That one in the Eskimo dogskin coat was at the Gambarians' after Aleksandr Gambarian was murdered. He came in and said, ""Let's go, enough, you've spilled enough blood here."" Maybe Karina doesn't know this but the reason they didn't finish her off was that they were hoping to take her home with them. I heard this from Aunt Tanya and her sons, the Kasumovs, who were in the courtyard near the entryway. They liked her very much, and they had decided to take her to home with them. When Karina came to at one point--she doesn't remember this yet, this the neighbors old me--and she saw that there was no one around her, she started crawling to the entryway. They saw that she was still alive and came back, they were already at the third entryway, on their way to the Gambarians'. They came back and started beating her to finish her. If she had not come to she would have sustained lesser bodily injuries, they would have beat her less. An older woman from our building, Aunt Nazan, an Azerbaijani, all but lay on top of Karina, crying and pleading that they leave her alone, but they flung her off. The woman's grown sons were right nearby; they picked her up in their hands and led her home. She howled and cried out loudly and swore: God is on Earth, he sees everything, and He won't forgive this. There was another woman, too, Aunt Fatima, a sick, aging woman from the first floor, she's already retired. Mountain dwellers, and Azerbaijanis, too, have a custom: If men are fighting, they throw a scarf under their feet to stop them. But they trampled her scarf and sent her home. To trample a scarf is tantamount to trampling a woman's honor. Now that the investigation is going on, now that a lot is behind us and we have gotten back to being ourselves a little, I think about how could these events that are now called the Sumgait tragedy happen? How did they come about? How did it start? Could it have been avoided? Well, it's clear that without a signal, without permission from the top leadership, it would not have happened. All the same, I'm not afraid to say this, the Azerbaijanis, let other worthy people take no offense, the better representatives of their nations, let them take no offense, but the Azerbaijanis in their majority are a people who are kept in line only by fear of the law, fear of retribution for what they have done. And when the law said that they could do all that, like unleashed dogs who were afraid they wouldn't have time to do everything, they threw themselves from one thing to the next so as to be able to get more done, to snatch a bit more. The smell of the danger was already in the air on February 27. You could tell that something was going to happen. And everyone who had figured it out took steps to avoid running into those gangs. Many left for their dachas, got plane tickets for the other end of the country, just got as far away as their legs would carry them. February 27 was a Saturday. I was teaching my third class. The director came into my classroom and said that I should let the children out, that there had been a call from the City Party Committee asking that all teachers gather for a meeting at Lenin Square. Well, I excused the children, and there were few teachers left at school, altogether three women, the director, and six or seven men. The rest had already gone home. We got to Lenin Square and there were a great many people there. This was around five-thirty or six in the evening, no later. They were saying all kinds of rubbish up on the podium and the crowd below was supporting them stormily, roaring. They spoke over the microphone about what had happened in Kafan a few days earlier and that the driver of a bus going to some district had recently thrown a small Azerbaijani child off the bus. The speaker affirmed that he was an eyewitness, that he had seen it himself..The crowd started to rage: ""Death to the Armenians! They must be killed!"" Then a woman went up on stage. I didn't see the woman because people were clinging to the podium like flies. I could only hear her. The woman introduced herself as coming from Kafan, and said that the Armenians cut her daughters' breasts off, and called, ""Sons, avenge my daughters!"" That was enough. A portion of the people on the square took off running in the direction of the factories, toward the beginning of Lenin Street. We stood there about an hour. Then the director of School 25 spoke, he gave a very nationalist speech. He said, ""Brother Muslims, kill the Armenians!"" This he repeated every other sentence. When he said this the crowd supported him stormily, whistling and shouting ""Karabagh!"" He said, ""Karabagh has been our territory my whole life long, Karabagh is my soul. How can you tear out my heart?"" As though an Azerbaijani would die without Karabagh. ""It's our territory, the Armenians will never see it. The Armenians must be eliminated. From time immemorial Muslims have cleansed the land of infidel Armenians, from time immemorial, that's the way nature created it, that every 20 to 30 years the Azerbaijanis should cleanse the land of filth."" By filth he meant Armenians. I heard this. Before that I hadn't been listening to the speeches closely. Many people spoke and I stood with my back to the podium, talking shop with the other teachers, and somehow it all went right by, it didn't penetrate, that in fact something serious was taking place. Then, when one of our teachers said, ""Listen to what he's saying, listen to what idiocy he's spouting,"" we listened. That was the speech of that director. Before that we listened to the woman's speech. Right then in our group--there were nine of us--the mood changed, and the subject of conversation and all school matters were forgotten. Our director of studies, for whom I had great respect, he's an Azerbaijani . . . Before that I had considered him an upstanding and worthy person, if there was a need to obtain leave we had asked him, he seemed like a good person. So he tells me, ""Lyuda, you know that besides you there are no Armenians on the square? If they find out that you're an Armenian they'll tear you to pieces. Should I tell them you're an Armenian? Should I tell them you're an Armenian?"" When he said it the first time I pretended not to hear it, and then he asked me a second time. I turned to the director, Khudurova, and said that it was already after eight, I was expected at home, and I should be leaving. She answered, ""No, they said that women should stay here until ten o'clock,.and men, until twelve. Stay here."" There was a young teacher with us, her children were in kindergarten and her husband worked shifts. She asked to leave: ""I left my children at the kindergarten."" The director excused her. When she let her go I turned around, said, ""Good-bye,"" and left with the young teacher, the Azerbaijani. I didn't see them after that. When we were walking the buses weren't running, and a crowd from the rally ran nearby us. They had apparently gotten all fired up. It must have become too much for them, and they wanted to seek vengeance immediately, so they rushed off. I wasn't afraid this time because I was sure that the other teacher wouldn't say that I was an Armenian. To make it short, we reached home. Then Karina told of how they had been at the movies and what had happened there. I started telling of my experience and again my parents didn't understand that we were in danger. We watched television as usual, and didn't even imagine that tomorrow would be our last day. That's how it all was. At the City Party Committee I met an acquaintance, we went to school together, Zhanna, I don't remember her last name, she lives above the housewares store on Narimanov Street. She was there with her father, for some reason she doesn't have a mother. The two of them were at home alone. While her father held the door she jumped from the third floor, and she was lucky that the ground was wet and that there wasn't anyone behind the building when she went out on the balcony, there was no one there, they were all standing near the entryway. That building was also a lucky one in that there were no murders there. She jumped. She jumped and didn't feel any pain in the heat of the moment. A few days later I found out that she couldn't stand up, she had been injured somehow. That's how people in Sumgait saved their lives, their honor, and their children: any way they could. Where it was possible, the Armenians fought back. My father's first cousin, Armen M., lives in Block 30. They found out by phone from one of the victims what was going on in town. The Armenians in that building all called one another immediately and all of them armed themselves with axes, knives, even with muskets and went up to the roof. They took their infants with them, and their old women who had been in bed for God knows how many months, they got them right out of their beds and took everyone upstairs. They hooked electricity up to the trap door to the roof and waited, ready to fight. Then they took the daughter of the school board director hostage, she's an Azerbaijani who lived in their building. They called the school board director and told her that if she didn't help them, the 17 Armenians on the roof, to escape alive and unharmed, she'd never see her daughter again. I'm sure, of course, that Armenians would never lay a hand on a woman, it was just the only thing that could have saved them at the time. She called the police. The Armenians made a deal with the local police to go into town. Two armored personnel carriers and soldiers were summoned They surrounded the entryway and led everyone down from the roof, and off to the side from the armored personnel carriers was a crowd that was on its way to the building at that very moment, into Block 30. That's how they defended themselves. I heard that our neighbors, Roman and Sasha Gambarian, resisted. They're big, strong guys. Their father was killed. And I heard that the brothers put up a strong defense and lost their father, but were able to save their mother. One of the neighbors told me that after it happened, when they were looking for the criminals on March 1 to 2 and detaining everyone they suspected, people hid people in our entryway, maybe people who were injured or perhaps dead. The neighbors themselves were afraid to go there, and when they went with the soldiers into our basement they are supposed to have found Azerbaijani corpses. I don't know how many. Even if they had been wounded and put down there, after two days they would have died from loss of blood or infection--that basement was filled with water. I heard this from the neighbors. And later when I was talking with the investigators the subject came up and they confirmed it. I know, too, that for several hours the basement was used to store objects stolen from our apartment. And our neighbor carried out our carpet, along with the rest: he stole it for himself, posing as one of the criminals. Everyone was taking his own share, and the neighbor took his, too, and carried it home. And when we came back, when everything seemed to have calmed down, he returned it, saying that it was the only thing of ours he had managed to ""save."" Raya's husband and father defended themselves. The Trdatovs defended themselves, and so did other Armenian families. To be sure there were Azerbaijani victims, although we'll never hear anything about them. For some reason our government doesn't want to say that the Armenians were not just victims, but that they defended the honor of their sisters and mothers, too. In the TV show ""Pozitsiya"" [Viewpoint] a military man, an officer, said that the Armenians did virtually nothing to defend themselves. But that's not important, the truth will come out regardless. So that's the price we paid those three days. For three days our courage, our bravery, and our humanity was tested. It was those three days, and not the years and dozens of years we had lived before them, that showed what we've become, what we grew up to be. Those three days showed who was who. On that I will conclude my narrative on the Sumgait tragedy. It should be said that it's not over yet, the trials are still ahead of us, and the punishments received by those who so violated us, who wanted to make us into nonhumans will depend on our position and on the work of the investigators, the Procuracy, and literally of every person who lent his hand to the investiga- tion. That's the price we paid to live in Armenia, to not fear going out on the street at night, to not be afraid to say we're Armenians, and to not fear speaking our native tongue. October 15,1988 Yerevan - - - reference for #008 - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 3413,7,"From: ernie@.cray.com (Ernest Smith) Subject: RE Aftermarket A/C units Originator: ernie@ferris Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Distribution: usa >In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes: >|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si. >|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on >|> top of that. This is a hunk of change. >|> >|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation >|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit). >|> >|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a >|> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but >|> any references would be handy. >|> >|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) > Les Bartel's comments: >>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to >make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp >(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with >it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have >an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't >trust the quality and performance after this experience. >> > - les > >-- >Les Bartel I'm going to live forever Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what?? Ernie Smith " 3414,3,"From: pburry@manitou.cse.dnd.ca (Paul Burry) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Canadian System Security Centre Lines: 15 In article guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: |> int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the |> article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL |> implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.} | |I beleive this last bit is just plain wrong! I believe you are right. Both SCSI and SCSI-2 support 8 devices on the bus (normally that would be the host controller and 7 targets) each of which may have up to 8 logical units (LUNs). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Burry Voice: (613)-991-7325 Internet: pburry@cse.dnd.ca Fax: (613)-991-7323 UUCP: ..!{uunet,cunews}!cse.dnd.ca!pburry " 3415,17,"From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: herky.cs.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 16 From article <1qvgu5INN2np@lynx.unm.edu>, by osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski): > Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in > requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters. > So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul? > > Marek Osinski Thessaloniki is called Thessaloniki by its inhabitants for the last 2300 years. The city was never called Solun by its inhabitants. Instabul was called Konstantinoupolis from 320 AD until about the 1920s. That's about 1600 years. There many people alive today who were born in a city called Konstantinoupolis. How many people do you know that were born in a city called Solun. Napoleon " 3416,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: free moral agency Distribution: na Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20 In article , bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) wrote: > As for your question of moral free-agency, given the Christian > position above, the freedom we have is to acknowledge God. The > morality we practice is a direct outgrowth of how we excercise that > freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to > ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known > in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only > that he prefers not to accept it, it says nothing about the evidence > itself. I agree, I had a hard feeling not believing my grand-grand mother who told me of elves dancing outside barns in the early mornings. I preferred not to accept it, even if her statement provided the truth itself. Life is hard. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 3417,10,"From: caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lord Vader) Subject: Trivia: the Habs? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 7 OK, I'm sure that this has been asked 100's of times before, but I have wondered since I heard it... Where the hell did the nickname of the ""Habs"" come from for the Montreal Canadiens? Thanks in advance, Caine Schneider " 3418,13,"From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction Lines: 187 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine I can not believe the way this thread on candida(yeast) has progressed. Steve Dyer and I have been exchanging words over the same topic in Sci. Med. Nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a women poster for being treated by a liscenced physician for a disease that did not exist. Calling this physician a quack was reprehensible Steve and I see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well. Let me tell you who the quacks really are, these are the physicans who have no idea how the human body interacts with it's environment and how that balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics. These are the physicians who dismiss their patients with difficult symptomatology and make them go from doctor to doctor to find relief(like Elaine in Sci. Med. Nutrition) and then when they find one that solves their problem, the rest start yelling quack. Could it just be professional jealousy? I couldn't help Elaine or Jon but somebody else did. Could they know more than Me? No way, they must be a quack. I've been teaching a human nutrition course for Medical students for over ten years now and guess who the most receptive students are? Those that were raised on farms and saw first-hand the effect of diet on the health of their farm animals and those students who had made a dramatic diet change prior to entering medical school(switched to the vegan diet). Typically, this is about 1/3 of my class of 90 students. Those not interested in nutrition either tune me out or just stop coming to class. That's okay because I know that some of what I'm teaching is going to stick and there will be at least a few ""enlightened"" physicians practicing in the U.S. It's really too bad that most U.S. medical schools don't cover nutrition because if they did, candida would not be viewed as a non-disease by so many in the medical profession. In animal husbandry, an animal is reinnoculated with ""good"" bacteria after antibiotics are stopped. Medicine has decided that since humans do not have a ruminant stomach, no such reinnoculation with ""good"" bacteria is needed after coming off a braod spectrum antibiotic. Humans have all kinds of different organisms living in the GI system(mouth, stomach, small and large intestine), sinuses, vagina and on the skin. These are nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune system is compromised. They are also called nonpathogens because unlike the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease, they do not produce toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body. But any of these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up residence within the body. A poor mucus membrane barrier can let this happen and vitamin A is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier. Steve got real upset with Elaine's doctor because he was using anti-fungals and vitamin A for her GI problems. If Steve really understoood what vitamin A does in the body, he would not(or at least should not) be calling Elaine's doctor a quack. Here is a brief primer on yeast. Yeast infections, as they are commonly called, are not truely caused by yeasts. The most common organism responsible for this type of infection is Candida albicans or Monilia which is actually a yeast-like fungus. An infection caused by this organism is called candidiasis. Candidiasis is a very rare occurance because, like an E. Coli infection, it requires that the host immune system be severly depressed. Candida is frequently found on the skin and all of the mucous membranes of normal healthy people and it rarely becomes a problem unless some predisposing factor is present such as a high blood glucose level(diabetes) or an oral course of antibiotics has been used. In diabetics, their secretions contain much higher amounts of glucose. Candida, unlike bacteria, is very limited in it's food(fuel) selection. Without glucose, it can not grow, it just barely survives. If it gets access to a lot of glucose, it blooms and over rides the other organisms living with it in the sinuses, GI tract or vagina. In diabetics, skin lesions can also foster a good bloom site for these little buggers. The bloom is usually just a minor irritant in most people but some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus membrane or skin bloom site. Whether this is an allergic like reaction to the candida or not isn't certain. When the bloom is in the vagina or on the skin, it can be easliy seen and some doctors do then try to ""treat"" it. If it's internal, only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty nondiscript. Candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in the sinuses, the GI tract(mouth, stomach and intestines) and in the vaginal tract which compete with it for food. The human immune system ususally does not bother itself with these(nonpathogenic organisms) unless they broach the mucus membrane ""barrier"". If they do, an inflammatory response will be set up. Most Americans are not getting enough vitamin A from their diets. About 30% of all American's die with less Vitamin A than they were born with(U.S. autopsy studies). While this low level of vitamin A does not cause pathology(blindness) it does impair the mucus membrane barrier system. This would then be a predisposing factor for a strong inflammatory response after a candida bloom. While diabetics can suffer from a candida ""bloom"" the most common cause of this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main competition for candida as far as food is concerned. While drugs are available to handle candida, many patients find that their doctor will not use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection. The toxicity of the anti-fungal drugs does warrant some caution. But if the GI or sinus inflammation is suspected to be candida(and recent use of a broad spectrum antibiotic is the smoking gun), then anti-fungal use should be approrpriate just as the anti-fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring vaginal yeast infections, in spite of what Mr. Steve Dyer says. But even in patients being given the anti-fungals, the irritation caused by the excessive candida bloom in the sinus, GI tract or the vagina tends to return after drug treatment is discontinued unless the underlying cause of the problem is addressed(lack of a ""good"" bacterial flora in the body and/or poor mucus membrane barrier). Lactobacillus acidophilus is the most effective therapy for candida overgrowth. From it's name, it is an acid loving organism and it sets up an acidic condition were it grows. Candida can not grow very well in an acidic environment. In the vagina, L. acidophilius is the predominate bacteria(unless you are hit with broad spectrum antibiotics). In the GI system, the ano-rectal region seems to be a particularly good reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very favorable environment around the rectum for transfer(through moisture and humidity) of candida to the vaginal tract. One of the most effctive ways to minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear. If the bloom occurs in the anal area, the burning, swelling, pain and even blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids. If the bloom manages to move further up the GI tract, very diffuse symptomatology occurs(abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool). This positive stool for occult blood is what sent Elaine to her family doctor in the first place. After extensive testing, he told her that there was nothing wrong but her gut still hurt. On to another doctor, and so on. Richard Kaplan has told me throiugh e-mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of false positives(candida blooms guys?). If my gut hurt me on a constant basis, I would want it fixed. Yes it's nice to know that I don't have colon cancer but what then is causing my distress? When I finally find a doctor who treats me and gets me 90% better, Steve Dyer calls him a quack. Candida prefers a slightly alkaline environment while bacteria tend to prefer a slightly acidic environment. The vagina becomes alkaline during a woman's period and this is often when candida blooms in the vagina. Vinegar and water douches are the best way of dealing with vaginal problems. Many women have also gotten relief from the introduction of Lactobacillus directly into the vaginal tract(I would want to be sure of the purity of the product before trying this). My wife had this vagina problem after going on birth control pills and searched for over a year until she found a gynocologist who solved the problem rather than just writting scripts for anti-fungal creams. This was a woman gynocologist who had had the same problem(recurring vaginal yeast infections). This M.D. did some digging and came up with an acetic acid and L. Acidophilis douche which she used in your office to keep it sterile. After three treatments, sex returned to our marraige. I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his patients is a non-existent syndrome. The nonpathogenic bacteria L. acidophilus is an acid producing bacteria which is the most common bacteria found in the vaginal tract of healthy women. If taken orally, it can also become a major bacteria in the gut. Through aresol sprays, it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes. But before this innoculation occurs, the mucus membrane barrier system needs to be strengthened. This is accomplished by vitamin A, vitamin C and some of the B-complex vitamins. Diet surveys repeatedly show that Americans are not getting enough B6 and folate. These are probably the segement of the population that will have the greatest problem with this non-existent disorder(candida blooms after antibiotic therapy). Some of the above material was obtained from ""Natural Healing"" by Mark Bricklin, Published by Rodale press, as well as notes from my human nutrition course. I will be posting a discussion of vitamin A sometime in the future, along with reference citings to point out the extremely important role that vitamin A plays in the mucus membrane defense system in the body and why vitamin A should be effective in dealing with candida blooms. Another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate intake during the treatment phase, this is especially important if the GI system is involved. If candida can not get glucose, it's not going to out grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria, which can use amino acids and fatty acids for energy, a chance to take over and keep the candida in check once carbohydrate is returned to the gut. If Steve and some of the other nay-sayers want to jump all over this post, fine. I jumped all over Steve in Sci. Med. Nutrition because he verbably accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctor's use of vitamin A and anti-fungals for a candida bloom in her gut. People seeking advice from newsnet should not be treated this way. Those of us giving of our time and knowledge can slug it out to our heart's content. If you saved your venom for me Steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly seeking help alone, I wouldn't have a problem with your behavior. Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine 1111 West 17th St. Tulsa, Ok. 74107 ""Without discourse, there is no remembering, without remembering, there is no learning, without learning, there is only ignorance"". " 3419,5,"From: megan@cs.uq.oz.au (Megan Grenenger) Subject: Regression Testing and X Summary: info required on capture/playback testing tools for X clients Keywords: X Regression Reply-To: megan@cs.uq.oz.au Lines: 10 I'd appreciate any feedback on capture/playback tools for use with X clients. I have pulled XTM from public domain but it appears to be set up to test X servers not X clients. Any comparisons/comments on regression testing tools would be great - particularly XTM, XRunner, Autotester, and SRI's CAPBAK, SMARTS and EXDIFF. Megan Grenenger megan@cs.uq.oz.au " 3420,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) Organization: sgi Lines: 37 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr15.081303.16532@Cadence.COM>, mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes: |> |> Leonard, I'll give you an example of this.... |> |> My father recently bought a business, the business price was 150,000 pounds |> and my father approached the people in the community for help, he raised |> 60,000 pounds in interest free loans from friends and relatives and |> Muslims he knew, 50,000 had cash and the rest he got a business loan, after |> paying off the Muslim lenders many of them helped him with further loans |> to help him clear the bank debt and save him from further intrest, this |> is an example of a Muslim community helping one another, why did they help |> because of their common identity as Muslims. In turn my father has helped |> with people buying houses to minimise the amount of intrest they pay |> and in some cases buy houses intrest free with the help of those more |> fortunate in the community. Sorry. Wrong. This is how banks got started in the first place. Sooner or later your father and his pals will lend money to someone who eventually goes broke, and then they will realise that they havn't been managing risk very well. Then they will ask themselves what it is that they need to quantify risk, and to persuade borrowers not to take on greater loans than they can carry. And since they don't all want the worry of doing the calculations and handling the money, some of them will specialise in that. Then they'll reinvent interest, but like good Muslims, they'll call it something else. |> |> The fact is Leonard it DOES work without a fluffy bunny in sight! |> iThat is the beauty of Islam. Riiiight. That's why John Major opened a new government department a couple of months ago to help to promote minority business. Because they can do it all themselves by lending one another cups of sugar. jon. " 3421,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.185951.19058 Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 17 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > Your speculation (and >others) that Lopez will produce better than the two proven veterans >is nothing more than speculation, no matter how well founded. Your speculation that the two proven veterans will produce better than Lopez is also no more than speculation. It *does* make a difference whether the speculation is well-founded or not. >Obviously, the Braves believe they can win with the catching they >have, and I agree. If they change their minds, they'll call up Lopez. Though this is a good point. The one speculation is ""safer"", because it can be reversed. Cheers, -Valentine " 3422,3,"From: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek) Subject: how to number prongs of a chip? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Reply-To: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek) NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu Originator: ren@flubber.cc.utexas.edu How can one tell which prong of your basic chip is number 20? I realize there is a chunk of the chip missing so that one can orient it correctly. So using that hole as a guide, how can I count the prongs of the chip to find #20? Please help. -- |\ |\ | \ | \ Ren Hoek | \ | \ | | | | internet: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu \ / _\ ^ _/ ""It is not I who am crazy... It is I who am MAD!!!"" " 3423,2,"From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 33 In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >> >>Dear friend, >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > >hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >as orthogonal is CISC. > >-- >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | >| eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, but that's another story...) bye! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian ""Hojo"" Lee | ""Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?"" leebr@ecf.toronto.edu | leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3424,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral >exploration. >Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.. If raw materials where to cost enough that getting them from space would be cost effective then the entire world economy would colapse long before the space mines could be built. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 3425,11,"From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) Subject: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Originator: kadie@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation Lines: 26 Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of encryption. Currently, when you send an encrypted message, an opponent can usually tell 1) that you are using encryption 2) which encryption method you are using [because that information is usually in the clear]. With clipper, most opponents will only know that you are sending clipper-text, they won't know that your clipper-text is itself encoded. Only those few opponents who get your clipper-keys will know that your message is double encrypted. ... kind of like a safety deposit box containing a lock box. So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front ends. - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me. =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = " 3426,2,"From: rda771v@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (A.B. Wuysang) Subject: Re: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : ( Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr19.170631.17598@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: > >Hey now. First of all, sorry to post this DOS question in a WINDOWS >group, but I'm in kinda a hurry, so I can't scramble to find the dos >groups' names. > >Anyway, anyone know where I ccan find the exit codes to DOS commands? There are 3 alternatives: 1. You can try to write a small C program something like: int my_int_var; my_int_var = system(""command""); and display my_int_var value (which is the exit code of the command). 2. Or use 4dos.com instead of command.com (it has built in move command) you can also get any program exist code by using the exec function of 4dos: c:\>echo %@exec[command] will display the exit code of the command. 3. Get DOS 6, not worth buying if you already have QEMM/PCTools/Norton, and you only need the move utility. >the manual doesn't seem to have all of them. I'm particularly looking >for COPY, in order to make a ""move"" batch file, such that if the file >wasn't coppied properly, it won't be deleted. > > >please e'mail louray@seas.gwu.edu >Thanks, I.A, >Mickey >-- >pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu >ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray >|||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* >\\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) +---------------------------------------------------+ | Agus Budy Wuysang | | Digitech Student | | Monash University (Clayton) | | Melbourne, Australia | +---------------------------------------------------+ " 3427,19,"X-Mailer: TMail version 1.17R From: ""D. C. Sessions"" Organization: Nobody but me -- really Subject: Re: Is THOU SHALT NOT KILL ever applied in the Bible? Distribution: world Lines: 15 In <1pdj4bINNrtr@crcnis1.unl.edu>, e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein) wrote: # Are there any places in the Bible where the commandment ""Thou # shalt not kill"" is specifically applied? That is, where someone # refrained from killing because he remembered the commandment. No, for the excellent reason that there IS no such commandment. Aside from that, please note that the Abrahamic literary tradition is strong on narrative, light on dialog, and virtually nonexistent w/r/t introspection. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- " 3428,12,"From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Electric power line ""balls"" Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.142616.248 Lines: 4 Power lines and airplanes don't mix. In areas where lines are strung very high, or where a lot of crop dusting takes place, or where there is danger of airplanes flying into the lines, they place these plastic balls on the lines so they are easier to spot. " 3429,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: WC 93: Scores and standings, April 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 72 1993 World Championships in Germany: ==================================== Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund) -------------------------- ---------------------------- GP W T L GF-GA +/- P GP W T L GF-GA +/- P Canada 2 2 0 0 6-1 +5 4 Czech republic 2 1 1 0 6-1 +5 3 Russia 2 1 1 0 6-4 +2 3 Finland 2 1 1 0 3-1 +2 3 Italy 2 1 1 0 3-2 +1 3 Germany 2 1 0 1 6-5 +1 2 Sweden 2 1 0 1 2-4 -2 2 USA 2 0 2 0 2-2 0 2 -------------------------------- ----------------------------------- Austria 2 0 0 2 2-5 -3 0 France 1 0 0 1 0-2 -2 0 Switzerland 2 0 0 2 0-3 -3 0 Norway 1 0 0 1 0-6 -6 0 April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6 Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1 April 19: Canada - Switzerland 2-0 Russia - Austria 4-2 Finland - France 2-0 April 20: Sweden - Canada 1-4 Czech republic - Germany 5-0 Switzerland - Italy 0-1 Finland - USA 1-1 April 21: Germany - France 15:30 Italy - Sweden Czech republic - Norway 20:00 April 22: Switzerland - Russia USA - France 15:30 Austria - Canada Norway - Finland 20:00 April 23: Switzerland - Austria Germany - Finland 20:00 April 24: Russia - Sweden Czech republic - France 15:30 Canada - Italy USA - Norway 20:00 April 25: Sweden - Switzerland Finland- Czech republic 15:30 Russia - Canada Germany - USA 20:00 April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00 PLAYOFFS: ========= April 27: Quarterfinals A #2 - B #3 15:30 A #3 - B #2 20:00 April 28: Quarterfinals A #1 - B #4 15:30 A #4 - B #1 20:00 April 29: Relegation A #5 - B #6 15:30 A #6 - B #5 20:00 April 30: Semifinals A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30 A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00 May 1: Relegation 14:30 Bronze medal game 19:00 May 2: FINAL 15:00 -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 3430,11,"From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 20 In article , strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > ... > The Federal Reserve Open Market Committee > has successfully kept decisions from leaking for the statutory period until > publication. How are you sure of that? Weren't there some recent studies that found corelations between not-yet announced decisions and market changes? Aren't there continuing early rumors of their deliberations? > Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop > forecasts from leaking prematurely. Sheesh! Remember the big scandal a year or two (or 3?) ago about exactly such leaks? Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com " 3431,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Article-I.D.: netnews.120664 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) writes: >In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca >>(Mathew Tasalloti) says: >>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. >> >> Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance >>at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO. > >Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They >couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at the talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the Islanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most likely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor shooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of it. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don't know if that would help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some light on the subject. And, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but don't hesitate to send in picks!!! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 3432,10,"Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu> Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: >Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed. Lemieux two, Tocchet, Mullen, Tippett, and Jagr. I buzzed my friend because I forgot who had scored Mullen's goal. I said, ""Who scored? Lemieux two, Tocchet, Tippett, Jagr."" The funny part was I said the ""Jagr"" part non-chalantly as he was in the process of scoring while I was asking this question!!! :-) All in all ABC's coverage wasn't bad. On a scale of 1-10, I give it about an 8. How were the games in the Chi/St. Louis/LA area??? >It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network >television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on >WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! That's stupid!!! I'd complain to the television network! If I were to even see a Pirates game on instead of a Penguins game at this time of the year, I and many other Pittsburghers would surely raise hell!!! >It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the >tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame ""highlights""!!! Texas is off to a good start, they may pull it out this year. Whoops! That belongs in rec.sport.baseball!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance...""-DG '89 " 3433,11,"From: rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: National Computer Security Center Distribution: na Lines: 11 In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Robert L. Ward " 3434,9,"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY Lines: 57 maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >It sure does. And it all depends on the definition that you use for ""better"". >Yours is based on what could have been and mine is based on what really >happened. Well, actually, most of ours is based on what really happened and yours is based on some fantasy of how it happened. But that's OK, I understand you have a hockey background. Stats like ""plus/minus"" make RBI look good. >>Is it Viola's fault that Boston had no offense? Is it *because* of Morris that >>the Blue Jays had such a strong offense? Don't tell me that Morris has this >>magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs. >This is the perfect example of your problem. You are isolating Viola's >contribution from the rest of the team's efforts. You can only do >this if you can say for sure what the team would have done without >Viola. Only then can you compare. But you cannot know how the team >would have done without Viola. Your analysis is fallacious. OK, how about a straigh answer, then. Here's a very simele question to which I'm sure a fair number of us are very interesed in the answer to. Please answer yes or no, Roger: Can a pitcher cause the offensive players on his team to score more runs? AL only, please. For anyone else following along, it is a well-known and demonstrable fact that a team's win-loss record is closely related to the number of runs the team scores and the number the team allows. It's not a definite, hard-and-fast function, but there is definitely a correlation. In fact, as a rule of thumb, if teams A and B both score X runs and team A allows Y runs, for every 10 runs fewer than Y that team B allows, it will win another game. So, for instance, if we look at the 1991 Toronto Blue Jays, we find that they scored 780 runs and allowed 682, of which Morris allowed 114. All other things being equal, if Frank Viola, with his 3.44 ERA had replaced Jack Morris for the 240.2 innings Morris threw (plausible, since Viola threw 238 for Boston), the ""Red Jays"" would have allowed about 15 fewer runs, or enough for 1-2 more wins. Now, that doesn't take into account that Viola pitched half his innings in Fenway, which is a harder park to pitch in (particularly for a lefthander) than Skydome. So, um, Roger. Unless you really do believe that a pitcher can somehow affect the number of runs his team scores, could you enlighten us to the fallacy in this analysis? Clearly, it would be foolhardy to claim that Viola would necessarily have put up a 3.44 if he had been on the Jay last year, but that is not the claim. We look at what the actual performances were and evaluate Viola's as better than Morris' in the sense that ""had Morris performed as Viola did, his team would have been better off."" >It takes an open mind to really truly understand what is happening out >here in the real world guys. This is true, but not so open that your brain falls out. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Computer...if you don't open that exit hatch this moment I shall zap straight off to your major data banks and reprogram you with a very large ax. Got that? - Zaphod Beeblebrox " 3435,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Superstars and attendance (was Teemu Selanne, was +/- leaders) Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 115 Dean J. Falcione (posting from jrmst+8@pitt.edu) writes: [I wrote:] >>When the Pens got Mario, granted there was big publicity, etc, etc, >>and interest was immediately generated. Gretzky did the same thing for LA. >>However, imnsho, neither team would have seen a marked improvement in >>attendance if the team record did not improve. In the year before Lemieux >>came, Pittsburgh finished with 38 points. Following his arrival, the Pens >>finished with 53, 76, 72, 81, 87, 72, 88, and 87 points, with a couple of ^^ >>Stanley Cups thrown in. >It was at this point the Pens attendance was near capacity (34 out of 40 >sellouts) yet they hadn't made the playoffs since 1982. How do you explain >a 6th place team breaking attendance records when they haven't been to the >playoffs in 7 years? Mario Lemieux is the explanation, IMHO. >You could make a case that the *expectation* of an improving team that >would make the playoffs is the reason. Funny you should mention it...this is exactly the case I was going to make. >But I think the reason is Lemieux >had a 168 point season and was the first non-Gretzky to win the Hart and >Ross since 1980. People turned out to watch him play. I will grant that a star like Mario will draw fans, even if the team sucks. But this is short term only; I still do not think the attendance increase will last, unless the team is a winning/competitive/improving/butt-kicking one. Pittsburgh was still getting better, so people continued to support them. If they suddenly dropped to, say, 50 points, you'd have knee surgery for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon. >Also, the following year (88-89) the Pens had 89 points not 87. Ok. My numbers came from the NHL Guide and Record Book. >They made the transaction to try and build a winner around Mario, that is >true. But the improvement in attendance came before they started doing >this (Coffey late in 1987) and before they even had a playoff bound team. >A doubling of attendance occured in 1984-85 from the previous year. An >increase from 38 points to 53 points is not going to do that. The arrival >of Mario Lemieux is what did it. You can give the credit to Mario since he deserves it. But my point is that it wasn't Mario himself, but it was the *expectation* of things to come (i.e. a winning team) that he created by being the next great hockey superstar. And before anybody jumps in and says I'm nit-picking and mincing words, go back and read from where this thread started... It might help to think about what would go through a fan's mind who suddenly found an interest in Mario and the Pens. Was it ""gee, Mario Lemieux is amazing, I'll go watch him play"", or was it ""gee, now we've got a *kick* *ass* guy on *our* side, I'll go watch him play"". I think it was the latter. > Similar thing happened in L.A. Before >Gretzky's arrival, about 12000 per game. After, constant sellouts. They >are STILL selling out every game despite showing little or no improvement >since Gretzky's first year there. How do you explain it? People are going >to see Gretzky. they certainly aren't going to see a winner, they haven't >GOT a winner. They've had MUCH better teams in their past history than >they currently have, yet they didn't draw as well then. I don't think this is accurate. The *tickets* sell, but people don't go to the games. I think this thread has already been discussed...season ticket holders in LA don't always use their tickets. So in effect, after the Kings initial success following Gretzky's arrival (68 to 91 points, same source) and corresponding attendance jump, there has been an effective drop in attendance even though ticket sales may not have changed much. Whether or not the Kings are a 'winner' is debatable. I claim that since Gretzky's arrival they have at the very least been competitive...I also claim that McNall has made a stupid move in trying to reassemble the Oiler dynasty...but that's another story and included only because I don't like McNall:-). Anyway, McNall did do some heavy marketing around Gretzky, and that undoubtedly was also responsible for the attendance and merchandising sales, etc. But as I said, when the Kings have been in there little tailspins over the past couple of years there have been empty seats at the Forum even if the tickets were sold. >I think in the case of a Lemieux or Gretzky, the player can transcend >winning as the major drawing power. For the short term, IMO. Although I think that it's inevitable that the team will improve with a player such as Lemieux or Gretzky, simply because they make people around them better. >But winning sure as hell helps. ;-) Well, at least we are in full agreement here! >This does not make Roger's point any more valid, but the Jets aren't So are you saying Roger has ever had a valid point? >getting a HUGE jump in productivity, yet they ARE getting a huge >jump in attendance. This is due to the emergence of Teemu Selanne. >They have the 17th best record in hockey, it sure as hell isn't because >they are winning. Yes, but they are doing no worse than last year. I think the same type of reasoning I applied to a new Pittsburgh fan applies to all the extra people showing up at Winnipeg games. It's difficult to predict, but do you think that if the Jets miss the playoffs next season that in the year after they will maintain their attendance levels? I seriously doubt it, because in that case the expectation of an improving team would be gone, with or without Selanne. I did provide the example of Rocket Ismail and the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL...did you leave it out because you don't know much about the CFL? If that's the case then fair enough, but if it isn't the case then I'm curious to hear your explanation. " 3436,4,"From: dark1@netcom.com (Steven Seeger) Subject: ANother Res QUestion! Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 14 I asked a question a week or so ago about getting more res. on my monitor. I have a Magnavox MagnaScan/17 and am wondering what video cards it supports. ALso, does anybody have Magnavox's EMail ID (if there is one) or maybe a phone number? Please reply by email as I don't read much news. Thanks, Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven D Seeger dark1@netcom.com~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ""String, he's going to blow us out of the sky!"" ""Then why don't you hang your flabby behind out the window and BLOW him out of the sky???"" -- String & Dom, Airwolf :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 3437,3,"From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) Subject: Re: Possible FAQ question about a UART Keywords: 16550 Organization: what, ME??? you must be joking. Lines: 48 thought I'd post this as well as e-mail it, just in case anyone else is interested in this info..... In article <1993Apr15.054552.14548@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9110338@henson.cc.wwu.edu (dan jordan) writes: > Hello, my question is could someone E-mail me the names of manufactures >of the 16550 and predecsor UARTs. I have only seen them refered to by >number, however i would like to find a technical manual for these ICs. > any where i can find out the technical specs for these UARTs would be >appreciated: prefereably the 16450 as well as the 16550 however one will do. I suggest that you go direct to the original (and preferred...best quality) source for all of this, just as you would (at least, should) for the chips themselves: National Semiconductor. you can reach them at 1-800-272-9959. they no longer package the data sheets in a book, as they did when I got mine, but you can get them as individual sets of data sheets. you want, as a minimum, the following: *) 2 sets of data sheets: *) NS16450/INS8250A/NS16C450/INS82C50A *) NS16550AF *) 2 application notes (yes, GET THESE!): *) AN-491 The NS16550A: UART Design and Application Considerations *) AN-493 A Comparison of the INS8250, NS16450 and NS16550AF Series of UARTs both of the application notes I listed have proven to be AT LEAST as valuable as the data sheets themselves (more, actually). AN-491, in particular, is an exceptionally well-written application note that goes into detail about how and why the 16550 does what it does, and how best to take advantage of it. btw, they send these out free, as long as you don't abuse it. later, --jim -- #include 73 DE N5IAL (/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ INTERNET: jim@n5ial.mythical.com | j.graham@ieee.org ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W AMATEUR RADIO: n5ial@w4zbb (Ft. Walton Beach, FL) AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs). " 3438,13,"From: dmp@fig.citib.com (Donna M. Paino) Subject: Psoriatic Arthritis - Info Needed Please! Originator: dmp@eagle Organization: Citibank IBISM Lines: 34 A friend of mine has been diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis, as a result of trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago. The psoriasis is under control but the arthritis part of the illness is not. Ansaid (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) worked pretty well for three years but isn't helping much now. My friend is now taking Meclomen (another NSAID) but this isn't helping control the pain at all. In the past two months my friend has also started taking Azulfadine along with the NSAID medicines, but the effects of the combined drugs aren't supposed to be realized for several months. As a result of the pain, my friend is having problems sleeping. Staying in one position too long is an ordeal. Another major contributor to pain is that tendonitis has now developed (left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of the palm; bottom of feet; shoulders and outer thighs). The tendonitis is quite painful yet my friend's doctor has not recommended any form of treatment to relieve it. The latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti-inflammatories and is now recommending Prednisone. The hope is that the Prednisone will relieve some of the pain from the tendonitis. My friend is a 41 year old male who feels like he's 80 (his words, not mine). If anyone is aware of any new treatments for Psoriatic Arthritis, alternative courses of action, support groups or literature on it, I would be extremely grateful if you could e-mail to me. If anyone is interested, I'll post a summary to this newsgroup. thanks in advance, Donna dmp@fig.citib.com " 3439,9,"From: kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) Subject: Re: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed In-Reply-To: tedward@cs.cornell.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 19:07:35 GMT Distribution: na Lines: 8 <1993Apr16.190735.13322@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: IBM Toronto Lab > That's a joke! (Alomar might not be a gold-glover, but he's certainly > no worse than Baerga defensively.) Actually Alomar is a two-time gold-glover (91-92). > > -Valentine Edk " 3440,4,"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: IINTX Upgrade? Organization: Stanford University Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1pqprtINNf2@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>, s912013@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Douglas Barry Mcpherson) writes: >Could someone please tell me what a > >LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is. > >Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly >containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual. >The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full, >""This product must be installed by an Apple ........."" > >SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX >upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board. > >Any info appreciated. > >Doug. The kit is for an already existing Laserwriter IINTX. It is a ROM upgrade that replaces the font rasterizer code with the more efficient, speedier code that first became available in Adobe Type Manager 1.0. That software came out after the original NTXes and the so-called ATM rasterizer is now standard on Postscript printers. Mark " 3441,9,"From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Article-I.D.: advtech.1993Apr15.203546.14540 Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com > = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >> = (Robert C Hite) writes: >>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the >>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in >>baseball at 8-1 >Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame >you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. What _is_ your problem? Hite's post wasn't a flame. It was a correction of *your* error. YOUR reply was a flame. >No, I don't know everything in the world. Does that surprise you? Not in the least. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Steve Novak | |""Ban the Bomb!"" ""Ban the POPE!!""| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ steven@advtech.USWest.Com " 3442,3,"From: dunguyen@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Hayes 9600 external AC pins??? Lines: 7 Hello, I have a Hayes 9600 moden with no cables or manuals. The modem requires a source of 14V AC, but I do not know how to connect the power source to the 3 pin connector. I know that the top pin is the ground, so I would guess that the other two are the AC pins, right? If you have any hints, please E-Mail me, I really need help... Thanks!!! Duc N. " 3443,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: HV diodes Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr2.204617.14179@mprgate.mpr.ca>, vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: |> dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) writes: |> >The CRT, in fact, does have an intentional built-in capacitor for |> >its function just as IC's have built-in transistors, etc. |> |> Gee, Mr. Myers, are we going to let this go without a CORRECTION? Two things: 1. Read your own posts. I was agreeing with Bob. No correction needed. 2. Don't quote stuff out of context. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 3444,2,"From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: I hate to make a decision ! Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 16 Hi. Well, I really hate to make a decision, but recently, I have to choose whether stacker 3.0 or dos 6.0 with double space for my poor HD. I am using windwos 3.1 and I hope what I choose will live with windows. Any help will be appreciated. -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw " 3445,4,"From: jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (James MacPhail) Subject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine... Nntp-Posting-Host: cue.bc.ca Organization: Computer Using Educators of B.C., Canada Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr13.090638.14653@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes: > >I wonder why nobody has ever tried to replace the oscilator only, like on a Mac IIsi. I have had my Q700 running with a 66.666 MHz osc for a few months. I have a number of SCSI devices connected (Quantum LP52, Maxtor 213, Toshiba MK156F via Emulex adapter, Pioneer DRM-600) and have had no trouble. I am using the stock cooling facilities, I considered adding a fan/heat pump, but don't feel they are necessary (for my box anyway). I have a temp meter on order and plan to do some measurements when it arrives in a few weeks. Email me if you want to see the results. James MacPhail jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (on bounce, try james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca) " 3446,18,"From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Nntp-Posting-Host: dhostwo.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 46 Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the : draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, : and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior : with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us : on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and : Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. : Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. : Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. More ""gridlock"" talk from another relic of the past. The Selective Service system creates jobs and is an investment in the future of america......and whats wrong with that? We need jobs because at this point in the recovery, the economy should have generated 10 billion jobs and since it has not, the government has to step in and help. Shutting down selective service would cost ""good jobs"" and we can't do that. What we really need is to involve selective service in a more closely directed manner. We need the selective service involved in environmental protection, high-speed rail, commuter aircraft, civil rights, national service and health care. Every dollar we put into selective service now will get us $10 less spending in future. I really believe now to think about it that selective service is long-past due for the creation of a cabinet position. Your not beyond hope, just get back on america's side and start doing your part for change. What Bill needs from you now is support for the economic stimulus and health care reform. You need to devote all your energies to fighting gridlock and supporting change. Get on the team. After all, the evil has been banished from washington and the time for complaint is past being neccessary. And remember, Bill Clinton cares. He may someday even have a town meeting in your city. If your an appropriate sort of person, if you phrase your questions properly and show the proper respect and awe, you might have the chance to ask Mr, President your question in person. " 3447,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 17 In article <15218@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: #Yet, when a law was proposed for Virginia that extended this #philosophy to cigarette smokers (so that people who smoked away #from the work couldn't be discriminated against by employers), #the liberal Gov. Wilder vetoed it. Which shows that liberals don't #give a damn about ""best person for the job,"" it's just a power #play. Of course Clayton ignores the fact that employers pay health insurance, and insurance for smokers is more expensive than for non-smokers. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 3448,17,"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Originator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> -- |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org Mr. water-head, i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no water is being used on the lebanese side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. Hasan " 3449,8,"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) Subject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR Summary: Tucson Area, moving to Bay Area Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 24 Hi boys and girls. I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that I am a grad student. I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my Zephyr too. If I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in a couple of weeks. Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens. It's a very sweet bike. 6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer, plus some great rides between here and the Border. Purchased new exactly one year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model. It has a good fairing and a luggage rack. Red; very clean. Perfect maintenance, no bullshit. I'll spare any further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody 5'7"" +/- 5"" will fit it like a charm. Not a bike for big people, but not a small bike. Standard, upright positioning and good-looking. Smooth power, great brakes, good Karma. - Erik /-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\ | | | DoD# 88888 asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu | | '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr (Erik Asphaug) | | '86 BMW R80GS | \-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/ " 3450,12,"From: Kirk_Cowen@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (Kirk Cowen) Subject: references... Distribution: world Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA Lines: 12 I've got the same problem; I can't dig up any info on the jumper settings on the hd 3.5"" drives. Can anyone recommend a reference book(s) on the subject, rather than a ""quick fix"" type answer?? I was going to start hooking up things and logging the results, but the prospect of a ten second smoke test deters me... Thanks, Kirk Cowen. -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 " 3451,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Traditional and Historical Armenian Barbarism (Was Re: watch OUT!!). Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 106 In article <21APR199314025948@elroy.uh.edu> st156@elroy.uh.edu (Fazia Begum Rizvi) writes: >Seems to me that a lot of good muslims would care about those terms. >Especially those affected by the ideology and actions that such terms >decscribe. The Bosnians suffering from such bigotry comes to mind. They >get it from people who call them 'dirty descendants of Turks', from >people who hate their religion, and from those who don't think they are >really muslims at all since they are white. The suffering that they are Let us not forget about the genocide of the Azeri people in 'Karabag' and x-Soviet Armenia by the Armenians. Between 1914 and 1920, Armenians committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babies and burned them, raped women and girls in front of their parents who were bound hand and foot, took girls from their mothers and fathers and appropriated personal property and real estate. And today, they put Azeris in the most unbearable conditions any other nation had ever known in history. AREF SADIKOV sat quietly in the shade of a cafe-bar on the Caspian Sea esplanade of Baku and showed a line of stitches in his trousers, torn by an Armenian bullet as he fled the town of Hojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope. ""I'm still wearing the same clothes, I don't have any others,"" the 51-year-old carpenter said, beginning his account of the Hojali disaster. ""I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to be alive."" Mr Sadikov and his wife were short of food, without electricity for more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12 days. They sensed the Armenian noose was tightening around the 2,000 to 3,000 people left in the straggling Azeri town on the edge of Karabakh. ""At about 11pm a bombardment started such as we had never heard before, eight or nine kinds of weapons, artillery, heavy machine-guns, the lot,"" Mr Sadikov said. Soon neighbours were pouring down the street from the direction of the attack. Some huddled in shelters but others started fleeing the town, down a hill, through a stream and through the snow into a forest on the other side. To escape, the townspeople had to reach the Azeri town of Agdam about 15 miles away. They thought they were going to make it, until at about dawn they reached a bottleneck between the two Armenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak. ""None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by a car on the road, and the Armenian outposts started opening fire,"" Mr Sadikov said. Azeri militiamen fighting their way out of Hojali rushed forward to force open a corridor for the civilians, but their efforts were mostly in vain. Mr Sadikov said only 10 people from his group of 80 made it through, including his wife and militiaman son. Seven of his immediate relations died, including his 67-year-old elder brother. ""I only had time to reach down and cover his face with his hat,"" he said, pulling his own big flat Turkish cap over his eyes. ""We have never got any of the bodies back."" The first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire. One hero of the evacuation, Alif Hajief, was shot dead as he struggled to change a magazine while covering the third group's crossing, Mr Sadikov said. Another hero, Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali, said he and several others spent the whole day of 26 February in the bushy hillside, surrounded by dead bodies as they tried to keep three Armenian armoured personnel carriers at bay. As the survivors staggered the last mile into Agdam, there was little comfort in a town from which most of the population was soon to flee. ""The night after we reached the town there was a big Armenian rocket attack. Some people just kept going,"" Mr Sadikov said. ""I had to get to the hospital for treatment. I was in a bad way. They even found a bullet in my sock."" Victims of war: An Azeri woman mourns her son, killed in the Hojali massacre in February (left). Nurses struggle in primitive conditions (centre) to save a wounded man in a makeshift operating theatre set up in a train carriage. Grief-stricken relatives in the town of Agdam (right) weep over the coffin of another of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll has been complicated because Muslims bury their dead within 24 hours. Photographs: Liu Heung / AP Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3452,5,"From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 27 Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- " 3453,13,"From: akins@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (kay.a.akins) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: AT&T Summary: seizures and foods Lines: 35 In article , paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) writes: > I am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in > network newsland who has heard of something similar to what I am going > to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced > a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted > Flakes. She is perfectly healthy, had never experienced anything like > this before, and there is no history of seizures in either side of the > family. All the tests (EEG, MRI, EKG) came out negative so the decision > was made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again. > > Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had > a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am > embarrassed to admit that I even bought that junk but every once > in a while...) So I pour it in her bowl and think ""Oh, oh, this is the > same kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure."" Ten > minutes later she had a full blown seizures. This was her first exposure > to a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure....... My daughter has Epilepsy and I attend a monthly parent support group. Just Wednesday night, a mother was telling how she decided to throw all the junk food out and see if it made a difference in her 13 year-old's seizures. He was having about one seizure per week. She reported that she did this on Thursday (3/11), he had a seizure on Saturday and then went 4 weeks without a seizure!! On Easter he went to Grandma's and ate candy, pop - anything he wanted. He had a seizure the next day. She sees sensitivity to nutrasweet, sugar, colors, caffine and corn. With corn she says, he gets very nervous and aggresive. With my own daughter (age 7) , I think she is also sensitive and stays away from those foods on her own. She has never had gum, won't eat candy, prefers an apple to a cookie, doesn't like chocolate and won't even use toothpaste!!! Her brother, on the other hand, is a junk food addict! Hope this helps. Good Luck. " 3454,2,"From: brzyckmj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike) Subject: Panasonic KX-P1091i Driver? Organization: Drexel University, Phila. Pa. Lines: 2 Does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for Windows for the Panasonic KX-P1091i 9-pin dot matrix printer? " 3455,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 19 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: > >Consider your mother Merlyn. You know your mother. What would you think >of me if I asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall, murdered your father, >and sexually abused you when you were a kid? I would just go fetch my parents, and show them to you, and thereby prove quite definitively that my mother is not named Merlyn, she is not nine feet tall, and my father is quite alive. Then I would assert quite simply that your deity does not exist, and wait for a similar demonstration from you. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 3456,8,"From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) Subject: Re: Insurance discount Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21 Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Erik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote: : Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They : do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts. Good prices too IMHO. tony -- Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant) CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121 " 3457,9,"From: sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda) Subject: Royals final run total... Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I've been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the net for a while I figured I'd stick my neck out a bit... The Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL team since the inception of the DH rule. (p.s. any ideas what this is?) They will fall easily short of 600 runs, that's for damn sure. I can't believe these media fools picking them to win the division (like our Tom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of genius for the trades/aquisitions he's made) c-ya Sean -- Sean Sweda sweda@css.itd.umich.edu CSS/ITD Consultant President, Bob Sura Fan Club GM/Manager Motor City Marauders Internet Baseball League ""play ball!"" " 3458,8,"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Re: April 1( was Re: FAQ - What is the DoD?) Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma. Lines: 31 In article <9901221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes: >In rec.motorcycles, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: > >> Last year, I believe it was, Jeff Deeney posted what I've since come to >> recognize as the ultimate April Fools posting ever. It wasn't particularly >> nice of him, as several people were quite fooled and very worried about >> him, but I can't fault the effectiveness. > >Based on numerous inputs (most of them unprintable), I deemed it time for a >kinder, gentler, April 1. Not that I didn't have something really sick and >twisted ready to post :-) Perhaps next year. Personally, I think Jeffy-Poo was still smarting more from the third degree burns he suffered after April 1st last year rather than the supposed burns that he suffered in ""the joke"". Granted I was one of those people that were taken in by it and I was certainly concerned...and then pissed at him for pulling such a thing (which I made known to him). But then again, for an April Fool ""joke"" I would also go on record as saying that it was the best orchestrated one I've ever seen and it certainly sucked a LOT of people into believing it 8-( 8-| 8-\ 8-)... ""sick"" - ""twisted""??? Who in this group could ever be accused of such a thing? I tip my twisted lid to thee Jeffy 8-). Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" " 3459,7,"From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) Subject: Re: Saturn 91-92 Manual Transmission Problem Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pookie.pass.wayne.edu In article KA6@crdnns.crd.ge.com, cimjfg@sn370.utica.ge.com writes: ."" > >After many trips to the dealer, who has admittedly been patient with me, >they are admittedly going to do nothing about it....> >The dealer did however follow the Bulletin and ""review proper shifing >procedures with the owner"".... >My next attempt at satisfaction in the Customer 800 number but from the first >round it doesn't sound too hopeful. > I'm surprised. I know of a local case where a guy took his Saturn back five times to complain they hadn't properly eliminated a rattling noise...so Saturn gave him a new car. Call that 1-800 number. " 3460,9,"From: thornley@micro.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) Subject: Re: Erickson, Keith Miller? Article-I.D.: news2.C5LHyD.GEx Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: micro.cs.umn.edu In article <1993Apr16.032554.12401@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> frankkim@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Frank Kim) writes: > >HI, > >I was just wondering if anyone knew when Erickson >and Keith Miller are expected to come back and what >exactly ails them. > Dunno about Miller. If you mean Scott Erickson, currently the reigning Twins Least Consistent Good Player, he pulled a muscle in the neighborhood of the rib cage that made it essentially impossible for him to pitch temporarily, and is expected back on the mound Sunday. David Thornley ""With tickets to see one of the Scott Ericksons pitch"" " 3461,5,"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 19 Keywords: Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4, Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup dialog boxes and so on. In example 3.5, page 76 : ""Creating a pop-up dialog box"" The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), it is *much* slower. Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response time from 2nd time onwards ? Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time they popup in reasonable fast response time ? Thankyou - Shirley " 3462,10,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Winning Streaks <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Lines: 14 You might want to clarify the 11 game winning streak. That Pens streak is a PLAYOFF streak (tied by the Chicago Blackhawks, who had won 11 in a row until they met the Pens in the finals last year) The 18 game unbeaten, so far, is a regular season unbeaten streak. But hey, don't take it personally. I'm a Flyers fan and two in a row is a stretch. But with a healthy Lindros, Recchi, Brind'amour and Tommy Soderstrom, they'll be there next year! By the way, since the Flyers need defenseman, what kind of trade would anybody suggest from the existing Flyers roster since the scuttlebutt is that Terry Carkner won't be there next year and apart from him a piece of notebook paper would be better defense. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Weaver (properly found at AJS147@psuvm.psu.edu). Hey, at least we're not the Whalers! " 3463,19,"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > In article <1qg8bu$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon > Livesey) writes: > #And this ""objective morality"" is........? > > And here, children, we have a person playing the ""objective morality doesn't > exist, show me one"" game. You can play this with just about anything: > > And this ""objective medicine"" is.....? > And this ""objective physics"" is.....? > And this ""objective reality"" is.....? Precisely. There's no objective medicine; some people get marvellous results from alternative therapy, others only respond to traditional medicine. There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that. > One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term > ""objective"", if anything. I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not be too far wrong. mathew " 3464,3,"From: hamilton@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Wayne Hamilton) Subject: Re: Null modem: 25 pin serial Article-I.D.: news.C520Gs.Dyw Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 57 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Bruce Maynard (drac@uumeme.chi.il.us) wrote: > In article <93083.215554MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> Mitch Lewars writes: > >Can someone give me the specs > >on a null modem cable, I ferget > >which get crossed.... =-) > > mal112@psuvm.psu.edu > That's an easy one... carry all 25 pins straight thru, with the exception of > pins 2 & 3, which should be crossed... as someone else already mentioned, don't ""carry thru"" the other 23 pins. plan A, minimal null modem: SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) if you're transfering files betwen 2 PCs, this ought to work (unless you have a persnickity comm program). plan B, null modem with modem control: SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) DCD(8) - DTR(20) DTR(20) - DCD(8) some comm software will wait for DCD before transferring anything. such software will raise DTR to enable the modem to accept a call. with this cable, each side's DTR will drive the other's DCD. plan C, null modem with hardware flow control: SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) RTS(4) - CTS(5) CTS(5) - RTS(4) for high-speed transfers, you want the flow control. plan D, deluxe null modem (combine B and C): SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) RTS(4) - CTS(5) CTS(5) - RTS(4) DCD(8) - DTR(20) DTR(20) - DCD(8) this one is ideal. it leaves out DSR and RI (rarely used anymore). if you're really paranoid, or you just have an 8th wire to spend, you might add: FG(1) - FG(1) the pin numbers above are (obviously) for 25-pin connectors. i don't have a 9-pin pinout handy. -- wayne hamilton I'net: hamilton@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu Lowtek: Box 476, Urbana, IL 61801; (217)384-4310(voice), -4311(BBS) " 3465,12,"From: u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) Subject: Help wanted Summary: Decoders Organization: University of Canberra Lines: 9 Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit, but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible. Thanx, Taro Ogawa (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au) " 3466,3,"From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) Subject: Re: CTX Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] I started a similar thread about a month ago, and got many replies. The summary: CTX 14"": Nasty, low quality. Avoid. CTX 15"" Proscan: Not as good as some other makes; however, cheap. Main problem seems poor quality control. Some reported pincushioning (the problem I had), others poor focus, etc, etc. I complained about mine and it was 're-tuned' (I dodn't even pay shipping) and returned to me in 2 days. It's now clear, well-focussed and has no pincushioning or barrel distortion at all. I'm very happy with it, and the digital controls and mode memory are nice. Certainly, a Trinitron (say) would be much nicer, but that's well out of my price range. Conclusion: If you're on a budget, get one and be prepared to send it back if it's not perfect. It probably won't be when you get it, but has good potential. Chris " 3467,13,"From: johnf@HQ.Ileaf.COM (John Finlayson) Subject: Re: Exercise and Migraine Nntp-Posting-Host: findog Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr15.163133.25634@ntmtv> janet@ntmtv.com (Janet Jakstys) writes: > ... the other day I played tennis during my lunch >hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I >got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling >sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel >a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.) >I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although >it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the >pain subsided. > >This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise. >I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder >what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?). >I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into >shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this? Hi Janet, Sounds exactly like mine. Same circumstance, same onset symptoms, same cafergot uselessness, same duration. In fact, of all the people I know who have migraines, none have been so similar. There is such a wide variation between people with respect to what causes their headaches, that I generally don't bother sharing what I've learned about mine, but since ours seem to be alike, here are my observations. I don't think it's heat, per se (I've had more in winter than summer). Dehydration could conceivably figure, though. Try tanking up before playing rather than after. Being in shape doesn't seem to help me much, either. I've identified four factors that do make a difference (listed in descending order of importance): 1) Heavy exercise 2) Sleep deprivation 3) Fasting (e.g., skipped breakfast) 4) Physical trauma (e.g., head bonk) Heavy exercise has preceded all of my post-adolescent migraines, but I don't get migraines after every heavy exercise session. One or more of the other factors *must* be present (usually #2). Since I discovered this, I've been nearly migraine-free -- relapsing only once every two or three years when I get cocky (""It's been so long, maybe I just don't get them anymore"") and stop being careful. Hope this is helpful. John. " 3468,5,From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Keywords: XTerm Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 21 In article <1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes: [...] |> I have an |> |> alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' |> |> in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. I presume that you meant to say tcsh here ------^^^^^ -- Michael Salmon #include #include #include Ericsson Telecom AB Stockholm 3469,6,"From: pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) Subject: FOR SALE: Sega Genesis system Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ Lines: 9 My roommate is selling a Sega Genesis system with Sonic I, in very nice condition, for $100 obo. Please respond via email to: pathall@as.arizona.edu Alternate email addresses are phall@noao.edu and moe@ccit.arizona.edu. Thanks, Pat Hall " 3470,8,"From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic) Subject: Draining battery Nntp-Posting-Host: gs20.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 12 I have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk. Every week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike every day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked thoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining somewhere. Do you have any idea about what is causing this problem? Please help since my mechanic and me are clueless!... Ljubomir " 3471,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark Lines: 47 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 47 In article <16BB112DFC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) >Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:28:27 GMT >In article >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: > >(Deletion) >>You also said,""Why did millions suffer for what Adam and Ee did? Seems a >>pretty sick way of going about creating a universe..."" >> >>I'm gonna respond by giving a small theology lesson--forgive me, I used >>to be a theology major. >>First of all, I believe that this planet is involved in a cosmic struggle-- >>""the Great Controversy betweed Christ and Satan"" (i borrowed a book title). >>God has to consider the interests of the entire universe when making >>decisions. >(Deletion) > >An universe it has created. By the way, can you tell me why it is less >tyrannic to let one of one's own creatures do what it likes to others? >By your definitions, your god has created Satan with full knowledge what >would happen - including every choice of Satan. > >Can you explain us what Free Will is, and how it goes along with omniscience? >Didn't your god know everything that would happen even before it created the >world? Why is it concerned about being a tyrant when noone would care if >everything was fine for them? That the whole idea comes from the possibility >to abuse power, something your god introduced according to your description? > > >By the way, are you sure that you have read the FAQ? Especially the part >about preaching? > Benedikt I don't feel that I'm preaching. I'm just trying to answer people's questions and talking about my religion, my beliefs. When it comes to what I post, I don't do it with the intent of converting anyone. I don't expect for the atheists in this newsgroup to take what I say with a grain of salt if they so wish. I just state what I beleve, they ask me how I believeit and why and we all go on. If that's preaching, then I'm soory and I'll get off the soapbox. Tammy " 3472,1,"From: tom@inferno.UUCP (Tom Sherwin) Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? Organization: Periphonics Corporation Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ablaze |> Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I |> use frequently XV on a Sun Spark Station 1 and I never had problems, but when I |> start it on my computer with -h option, it display the help menu and when I |> start it with a GIF-File my Hard disk turns 2 or 3 seconds and the prompt come |> back. |> |> My computer is a little 386/25 with copro, 4 Mega rams, Tseng 4000 (1M) running |> MS-DOS 5.0 with HIMEM.SYS and no EMM386.SYS. I had the GO32.EXE too... but no |> driver who run with it. |> |> Do somenone know the solution to run XV ??? any help would be apprecied.. |> You probably need an X server running on top of MS DOS. I use Desqview/X but any MS-DOS X server should do. -- XX X Technical documentation is writing 90% of the words XX X for 10% of the features that only 1% of the customers XX X actually use. XX X ------------------------------------------------------- A PC to XX X I don't have opinions, I have factual interpretations... the power XX X -Me of X XX --------------------------------------------------------- X XX ...uunet!rutgers!mcdhup!inferno!tom can be found at X XX Periphonics Corporation X XX 4000 Veterans Memorial Highway Bohemia, NY 11716 X XX ---------------------------------------------------- X XX They pay me to write, not express their opinions... " 3473,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Day and night Armenians were rounding up male inhabitants... Article-I.D.: zuma.9304052020 Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 71 In article <734048492@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes: > Sure it joined you by ballot in 1918! And I suppose that > Northern Bukovina (where I was born), which has always had That's why zoologists refer to you as a 'fecal shield'. Colonel Semen M. Budienny, a subsequent Soviet military fame, said about the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million defenseless Turkish and Kurdish women, children and elderly people during his visit to Anatolia in June 1919 that ""the Armenians had become troublemakers, their Hinchakist and Dashnakist parties were opportunist, serving as lackeys of whatever power happened to be ascendent."" In September 16, 1920, Major General W. Thwaites, Director of Military Intelligence, wrote to Lord Hardinge, Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs: ""...it is useless to pretend that the Armenians are satisfactory allies, or deserving of all the sympathy to which they claim.""[1] [1] F.O. 331/3411/158288. In the Special Collection at Stanford Hoover Library, donated by Georgia Cutler, the letter dated Nov. 1, 1943 states that ""Prescot Hall wrote a large volume to prove that Armenians were not and never could be desirable citizens, that they would always be unscrupulous merchants."" Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 50,"" Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2. (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki) ""For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations, after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."" ""Document No: 52,"" Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7. (To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army General) ""As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority seems to be failing in restoring order."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3474,2,"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: ATM Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu Organization: UNLV >>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >>better printer technologies ... and TT? > >There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you >have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is >a waste of system resources. > -----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in the first place. Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu " 3475,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr10.130112.25440@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>>And no, in Western countries, it isn't a ""legal"" concept >>>at all, so it's not the slightest bit pertinent to the >>>topic, which is a British author living in the United >>>Kingdom under the protection of British law. >>Ah, yes, I keep forgetting, governments are superior entities to >>religious organizations. Forgive me -- the gun is the higher law. >This is degenerating to 'Zumder logic. Of course governments are >superior entities, they are elected by the people, whereas religious >leaders certainly are not. Perhaps not in Christianity, but in Islam the choice of religious leaders is to be made by the people. So much for your superiority argument. > Those who the people trust to make the law >obviously represents the higher law. That is democracy. Democracy is a basic element of Islam. Learn that one! Ever notice that the so-called ""fundamentalists"" in Algeria who are being repressed by the secular government won in free and democratic elections. Gregg " 3476,8,"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 19 In article Chris Steinbroner writes: >Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote: >: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but >: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money >: down a rathole. > >[...] i'm going to >let my current membership lapse when it's >up for renewal. > >-- hesh In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. (And preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.) -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) " 3477,13,"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Article-I.D.: pitt.19421 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <1993Mar24.182145.11004@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: >IMHO, you have Lyme disease. I told you this in private email and predicted >that you might next start having the migrating pains and further joint IMHO, the original poster has no business soliciting diagnoses off the net, nor does Dr./Mr. O'Donnell have any business supplying same. This is one major reason real physicians avoid this newsgroup like the plague. It is also another example of the double standard: if I as a physician offered to diagnose and treat on the net, I can be sued. But people without qualifications are free to do whatever they want and disclaim it all with ""I'm not a doctor."" Get and keep this crap off the net. Period. -km " 3478,17,"From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) Subject: Greek prime minister shows support for Serbian criminals Keywords: international, non-usa government, government, fighting, civil rights, social issues Article-I.D.: newsflas.C53562.JHH Organization: ECE - Concordia University Lines: 67 Nntp-Posting-Host: davinci.ece.concordia.ca The above headline is much better than the original one. read on.. In article clarinews@clarinet.com (DEJAN ANASTASIJEVIC) writes: > BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (UPI) -- Greek Prime Minister Constantine >Mitsotakis visited the capital of the Serbia-Montenegro federation >Tuesday in an apparent attempt to press Serbian leaders into accepting >the international plan to end the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina. So far so good... > ``I came here as an old friend of this country...to help in solving >the burning problem of Bosnia-Herzegovina,'' Mitsotakis told reporters >after talking for two hours with President Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia. Old friend, whatever.... > ``I did not come here to discuss any particular plan. I came to hear >the Serbian point of view,'' he said, adding that Serbia is ``sincerely >trying to bring peace to the region.'' That is a great attitude for someone who wants to pressure the Serbs to accept a peace plan that gives them most of the territory they got by force and terror. > Milosevic said that Serbia and Greece had ``practically identical >views'' on the Bosnian war, which started late in March 1992 when the this is a good thing to hear. Anybody wondering why Serbia is not really under any boycott? Anybody remembers the Gulf war? Did Saddam kill 100,000 people and rape 50,000 women? > In an effort to pressure Milosevic, who is considered to be the main >patron of Serbian territorial conquest in Bosnia, the U.N. Security >Council has threatened to impose new sanctions against Serbia and >Montenegro and implement a no-fly zone over Bosnian skies. Still in the threatening stage.. Maybe when there is no more Bosnians, the UN will lift the arms Embargo on them! Military intervention? that is reserved for Muslim countries. NOW HEAR THIS: > After meeting Milosevic, Mitsotakis had separate talks with Radovan >Karadzic, the leader of Bosnian Serbs. > ``I encouraged Mr. Karadzic to proceed with his efforts to achieve a >just peace in the region,'' he said. > ``We are ready to play a positive role in the Balkans,'' said >Mitsotakis. real positive I might add, in favor of his old freinds of course! > Karadzic said that he was ``honored'' to meet the Greek premier. > ``Greeks are not one sided, and they do not tend to condemn only one You bet they are not! >side in this war,'' said Karadzic. > ``We will continue to negotiate on all levels,'' he said. > Before meeting with Milosevic, Mitsotakis had talks with President >Dobrica Cosic of the federal Yugoslav union of Serbia and Montenegro, >and Patriarch Pavle, the head priest of the Serbian Orthodox Church. Anybody is still convinced that this is not a religious war? A psychopath like Karadzik is considered a peacelover.. Of course he sent 100,000 muslims to permanent peace. With the blessings of Patriarch Pavle. " 3479,1,"From: joth@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Joe Tham) Subject: Where can I find SIPP? Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 11 I recently got a file describing a library of rendering routines called SIPP (SImple Polygon Processor). Could anyone tell me where I can FTP the source code and which is the newest version around? Also, I've never used Renderman so I was wondering if Renderman is like SIPP? ie. a library of rendering routines which one uses to make a program that creates the image... Thanks, Joe Tham -- Joe Tham joth@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca " 3480,12,"From: kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede) Subject: Decent, CHEAP 20+MHZ Scopes? Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated Lines: 12 Any info on modern 20MHZ or better dual trace scopes would be appreciated. Should I buy a used one or a new one? And where? Please E-Mail. Thanks in advance. Ken -- __ Ken Gravenstede, Performance Technologies Incorporated kng@pt.com 315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620 uupsi!ptsys1!kng " 3481,5,"From: queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) Subject: Hypercard for UNIX Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 10 Hi netlanders, Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX platform? Thanks in advance Ron. " 3482,11,From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Lines: 9 I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart hardware?) Assume the ton of smart hardware. It doesn't really have to be that smart. G 3483,0,"Subject: Fluids vs Liquids From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 18 west@next02.wam.umd.edu (Brian West) writes: [ deleted ] >A similar analogy can be made with glass. For those of you who don't >know, glass is a liquid (go ask your science teacher) and DOES flow. [ deleted ] If your science teacher tells you glass is a liquid, try to get a different science teacher B^). Glass is a supercooled fluid, it is not a liquid (except at very high temperatures). The definition of liquid includes ""readily takes the form of its container"". Let's try to be more accurate here. We don't want people to think we're creationists now do we? UUCP: uunet!tektronix!sail!mikec or M.Cranford uunet!tektronix!sail.labs.tek.com!mikec Principal Troll ARPA: mikec%sail.LABS.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET Resident Skeptic CSNet: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM TekLabs, Tektronix " 3484,17,"From: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Originator: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: duteinh.et.tudelft.nl Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 35 From article <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com>, by amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi): > In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: >> >>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky >>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including >>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? >> >>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery >>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe >>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians >>in a military bunker. >> >>Ed. > > Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you > are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you > are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The > bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is > very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only > policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in > the middle east! > > I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. > Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet > I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. Tell me then, would you also fight the Syrians in Lebanon? Oh, no of course not. They would be your brothers and you would tell that you invited them. Avi. " 3485,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Best Second Baseman? Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article <1pqvusINNmjm@crcnis1.unl.edu> horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan) writes: >Sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases. What competition did >Alomar have? Sandberg came in a year after Ripken, and the same year as Boggs, >Gwynn, and the other magicians. So less attention was given to Sandberg. >Alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre. Besides the >numbers don't count. National league pitchers are much better pitchers. You're right: Thomas, Gonzalez, Sheffield, and Griffey don't even begin to compare with Ripken, Boggs, and Gwynn, so no wonder Alomar gets so much attention. Sandberg got no attention his rookie year because his rookie year was terrible. So was his sophomore year. National League pitchers are ""much better pitchers""? That certainly explains Sheffield's 1993, hm? Are you confusing ""have ERA's that are 0.40 lower because they don't face DH's"" with ""much better""? -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal " 3486,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca> ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes: >Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers >each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds >soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is >supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other >techniques. Rutin is a bioflavonoid, compounds found (among other places) in the rinds of citrus fruits. These have been popular, especially in Europe, to treat ""capillary fragility"", and seemingly in even more extreme cases-- a few months ago, a friend was visiting from Italy, and he said that he'd had hemorrhoids, but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills. Incredulously, I asked to look at them, and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient. I probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering. I have no idea how he's doing hemorrhoid-wise these days. The studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled, so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal. This stuff is pretty much non-toxic, and probably inexpensive, so there's little risk of trying it, but I wouldn't expect much of a result. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 3487,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Quack-Quack (was Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 69 In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >Do you believe that any quacks exist? How about quack diagnoses? Is >being a ""licensed physician"" enough to guarantee that someone is not >a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack, >other people shouldn't say so? Can you give an example of a >commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis, >or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer >need to worry about unscrupulous ""healers"" taking advantage of >people. I would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of the squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting any treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though ""accepted"", may not be necessary for the patient at the time. And all for making a quick buck. I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is significantly inflated by these ""quacks of a different color"". In fact, I'd say these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the true focus of the medical profession. The AMA and the Boards should focus on these ""quacks"" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on 'search-and- destroy-missions' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non- traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients that traditional/accepted medicine cannot help. *************************************************** Now to make a general comment on many recent posts: *************************************************** Lately I've seen the word ""quack"" bandied about recklessly. When a doctor or doctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical subject in a civilized manner, all he/she has to do is say ""quack-quack"" and somehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over on their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience. What do they teach you in medical school - how to throw your authority around? Let me put it another way to make my point clear: ""quack"" is a nebulous word lacking in any precision. Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand. The indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency; and coming from any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real scary. But what do I know, I've already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this newsgroup as being 'anal retentive', and 'psychotic'. I look forward to more net.diagnoses. Hey, they're free. Jon ""Quacks 'R Us"" Noring (p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories, such as the ""yeast theory"", should create your own moderated group. You can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you can keep anal-retentives like me out of it.) -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 3488,3,"From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt) Subject: Re: Help with SIMMs Keywords: SIMM questions answers Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu In article guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: > >In article <10998@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao) writes: >> In article <1993Apr12.172751.27270@fct.unl.pt> fcm@diana.fct.unl.pt (Fernando Correia Martins (MEI 1)) writes: >> >Spectre (spectre@nmt.edu) wrote: >> >: When I look at a magazine ad that says: [deleted] >> >: what exactly do the numbers mean? (i.e. which is the MB, ns...) >> > >> >The numbers 60, 70 and 80 refers to nanoseconds. Could someone explain >> >*exactly* what this numbers means? (Time spent bettwen processor's request >> >and answer retrieved (in case of reading)? ) >> >> It means the time required for the memory to refresh, i.e. a 1x9-60 >> needs 60ns before it is ready to be read again. > >Nope! It's the time taken to read data from memory. It's the read time. >The memory will still have to be refreshed. The whole phase is called >a cycle, the cycle time being about twice the access time. I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to be refreshed on *each access cycle*. So cycle time does *not* have to be twice the access time *because of refresh phase*. The access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw address strobe (RAS) to data bus driven. DRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some signals are intentionally omitted); ADDR ------------------ RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address RAS ~~~~\________/~~~~~\________/~~~~~ ~=High, _=Low, -=Floating CAS ~~~~~~~\_______/~~~~~~\_______/~~~ <..>=driven either H or L DATA -------------------- |-------+------| |-+--| | | +----------- cycle time +---- access time (or RAS access time) Yes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not* because of the refresh phase. The refresh can be done either as a trailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle. > [other stuff deleted] > Ken Nakata -- /* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in this mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a second language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words or each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */ " 3489,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Weirdness of Early Christians Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 21 halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) writes: > But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very > well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting > questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's > carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body, > totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable > views about other human beings. If possible (last I heard, it was out of print but they were considering reprinting) read Barbara Hambly's _Search the Seven Hills_. It is historical fiction, set in Rome at the time of the early Church. She captures the weirdness of the early Christians and yet gives glimpses of the holiness too. Some of their odd views make a lot more sense in the context of the society they lived in. I found it a remarkably positive view of Christianity considering that the author is not a Christian herself. Another plus is that each chapter begins with an original-source quote so that it makes a good starting point for serious research. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 3490,11,"From: croley@magic.mcc.com (David Croley) Subject: Re: new encryption Organization: MCC Experimental Systems Lab Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr21.225435.6292@wam.umd.edu>, psionic@wam.umd.edu (Haywood J. Blowme) writes: |> As promised, I spoke today with the company mentioned in a Washington |> Times article about the Clipper chip announcement. The name of the company |> is Secure Communications Technology (Information will be given at the end |> of this message on how to contact them). |> |> ... |> |> His belief is that AT&T was made known of the clipper well before the |> rest of the industry. This is for several reasons, several of which are: |> This is a very good point. AT&T obviously knew and participated in the development of the Clipper chip. This amounts to unfair business practice and gives AT&T an early monopoly on the market [hopefully a non-existant market]. Other companies that compete with AT&T in the cellular market (Motorola, NEC, etc) have grounds to file a complaint over this. |> |> Right now the company is afraid that the new clipper chip will put them out |> of business. This is a very real possibility. So they really need help in |> stopping the clipper chip from becoming a standard. If you want to contact |> them, they can be reached at.. |> |> Secure Communications Technology |> 8700 Georgia Ave. Suite 302 |> Silver Spring, MD |> |> (301) 588-2200 |> |> ... It would seem that the one fact that the government has overlooked in this whole fiasco is the economic standpoint. As others have mentioned, the most difficulty the Clipper chip faces is an economic one. Let's face it, the average consumer doesn't care or know that the Clipper is a bad idea. If there is a perceived need for cellular encryption, then the companies will provide one. Most likely, a standard will emerge. But if the Clipper is too expensive (and $25 a chip is way too much) then they will develope their own or buy a cheaper one. I give SCT my full support, and hope the Clipper chip goes the way of the Beta video tape format. Also hope they get sued over re-using the name Clipper. -- ---------------------------------------Cyberspace:-------------------------- | David T. Croley | MCC - Exp Sys Lab | A place not real, no stone, no steel.| | croley@mcc.com | UT Austin, Texas | A ghost unseen...the world ""between"".| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3491,13,"From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Blood Cholesterol - Gabe Mirkin's advice Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 29 In article <1pka0uINNnqa@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes: |> Forget about total cholesterol when assessing health risk factors. |> Instead, use a relationship between LDL and HDL cholesterol: |> |> If your LDL is You need an HDL of at least |> |> 90 35 |> 100 45 |> 110 50 |> 120 55 |> 130 60 |> 140 70 Gee, what do I do? My LDL is only 50-60. (and my HDL is only 23-25) I must be risking something, but Is it the same risk as those with very high LDL? |> If your triglycerides are above 300, and your HDL is below 30, the |> drug of choice is gemfibrozil (Lopid) taken as a 600mg tablet |> thirty minutes before your morning and evening meals. What about exercise and a low-fat diet? What are the long-term effects of this drug? -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 " 3492,6,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Smith Corona Typewriter for sale, Model SCM 70 electric Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: ny,nj Lines: 23 Smith Corona Typewriter for sale, Model SCM 70 electric. Great for forms, envelopes, labels, small things, etc. that you just can't do with your microcomputer. Built like a tank, but not big nor that heavy. A classic compact electric, with padded storage bag. No scratches, enamel paint chips or dents. Cloth ribbon, 2 colours. Will accept best offer near $70. (Selling for a friend, so these are her instructions not mine. RSVP to this account, though. Make any other offers anyways, I'll pass them along. A single sheet-feeder for the Macintosh Imagewriter II would be acceptable in trade, for example.) gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 3493,6,"From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason) Subject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc... Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept. Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu Summary: Tuesday April 20, 1993 Update I am auctioning off the following comics. These minimum bids are set below what I would normally sell them for. Make an offer, and I will accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed. TITLE Minimum/Current -------------------------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00 Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00/KrisM./TWICE Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00 Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50 Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50 Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00 Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00 Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50 Detective 657 (Azrael appears, Intro Cypher) $ 5.00 Harbinger 10 (1st appearance H.A.R.D. Corps) $ 7.00/B.Matthey/SOLD H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00 Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962) $ 7.50 Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.20 Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00 Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50 Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $33.50/BrentB/TWICE Mr T. #1 (Signed Advance copy, 10,000 exist) $10.00 New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00 New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00 New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00 Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50 Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50 Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $25.00 84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $20.00 Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50 Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50 Trianglehead #1 (Special limited edition, autogrphed) $ 5.00 Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00 Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50 Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00 Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00 Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50 Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00 Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00 Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00 All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space. -- Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu " 3494,1,"From: danj@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Dan Jacobson) Subject: Re: Is there an FTP achive for USGS terrain data Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library Lines: 123 diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: >Is there an FTP archive for United States Geological Services (USGS) >terrain data? If so, where? Point your gopher client at merlot.welch.jhu.edu and select the following directories: --> 13. Search and Retrieve Software/ --> 8. Search and Retrieve Graphics Software and Data/ And you'll see - --> 1. Graphics Online Bibliography (ACM SIGGRAPH)/ 2. Graphics Software and Data Archives (ftp sites)/ 3. Search All Graphics Information 4. Search Comp.graphics FAQ 5. Search Graphics Resources (Software and Data) 6. Search Pictures Utilities FAQ 1. Graphics Online Bibliography (ACM SIGGRAPH)/ Searches and archives of bibliographic database that covers graphics literature for over a hundred years (served by a gopher hole in Austria). 2. Graphics Software and Data Archives (ftp sites)/ Has links to over 70 sites around the world which have software and/or data for computer graphics. This can be used on its own or as a companion to the searches found in this directory which will point you toward software and data at various places. 3. Search All Graphics Information 4. Search Comp.graphics FAQ 5. Search Graphics Resources (Software and Data) 6. Search Pictures Utilities FAQ These searches contain a wealth of information about computer graphics, data, software, techniques etc... 3. Search All Graphics Information Will simply search all of the information contained in searches 4, 5, and 6. 4. Search Comp.graphics FAQ Lets you search the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) from the Comp.graphics newsgroup compiled by John Grieggs at the JPL. 5. Search Graphics Resources (Software and Data) Lets you search the Grpahics Resource Listing of software and data provided by Nick Fotis at the National Technical Univ. of Athens. 6. Search Pictures Utilities FAQ Lets you search the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) from the Alt.binaries.pixutils newsgroup compiled by Jim Howard at Cadence. Select: --> 3. Search All Graphics Information And search for: usgs And you'll find out some information about USGS data availability. Now select: --> 2. Graphics Software and Data Archives (ftp sites)/ and you might find the following interesting: --> 12. Cartographic data - USGS data (Xerox)/ --> 42. Mapgen/Plotgen and more (USGS)/ --> 68. USGS Weekly Seismicity Reports (including maps - GIF)/ --> 68. USGS Earth Science Data Directory/ (This actually is a database of available data - search it for terrain - could prove quite useful.) One other place to look is only available by anonymous ftp at the moment - US Geological Survey Maps - isdres.er.usgs.gov (130.11.48.2). If you've never heard of gopher don't worry it's free and on the net, write me a note if you'd like information on how to get started. Best of luck, Dan Jacobson danj@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu Johns Hopkins University " 3495,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr16.105738.20864@hippo.ru.ac.za> webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) writes: > ...stuff deleted... > >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east > or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components > they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the > amplifiers sound so brilliant. Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it shouldn't matter where it is assembled. >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with > those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly > hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good. An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound. The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day. Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm.... aaron . " 3496,0,"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:50:02 EDT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 12 In <93106.155002JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: Who cares what the fellow wrote anyway? I mean, it came from PSUVM, so how could it possibly have been of any importance? ===== (disperse smileys until no longer offended) -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" " 3497,7,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Truck tailgates/mileage Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 In article <1993Mar30.203846.85644@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jh03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JUN HE) writes: >In article <1993Mar26.221840.1204@nosc.mil>, koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. > Koziarz) writes: >>In article <51300059@hpscit.sc.hp.com> chrisw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Wiles) wr >ites: >> >> >>> Consumers report did a study I think and found that most >>>trucks got worse mileage with the tailgate off. The tailgates on the >>>newer trucks actually help. >> >>oh, sure they do... and replacing the front bumper and grille with a closet >>door helps mileage *and* cooling. *if* CR actually said that, then they have >>bigger fools working for them than the fools that believe their drivel... but, >>who am I to argue this? just someone that's been a pickup-driver for 20+ >>years, that's all. forget the 'net', just take off the tailgate on hiway trips >>since the nets aren't designed to nor capable of restraining a load in the bed >>anyway. around town, the tailgate will have a negligable effect on mileage >>anyway. >> >>Walt K. >> >They may help to improve mileage in some cases, I believe. With the tailgate >on the flow structure behind the cab may differ and the vortex drag may be >reduced during high speed driving. How about those toneau covers? I've been thinking of building one from chipboard for roadtrips. Any comment on how they affect mileage in highway travel? Charles -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 3498,4,"From: jcox@x102a.harris-atd.com (Jamie Cox) Subject: Re: serial port problem Nntp-Posting-Host: x102a.ess.harris.com Reply-To: jcox@x102a.ess.harris.com (Jamie Cox) Organization: Harris Govt. Aerospace Systems Division Keywords: serial port, powerbook Lines: 41 In article <1qcq4gINN2q7@calvin.usc.edu> wls@calvin.usc.edu writes: > > >A friend asked me to build a cable to connect an HP fetal heart monitor >to a Maciontosh (SE/30). No problem, sez I. > >... >I wanted to demo it on my PB 170, it won't work! > >The PB has been used running ZTerm and kermit using both internal and external >modems; so I don't think it's the powerbook per se. > >When I send a ""^51"" to the HP it responds with ""^55^AA"" -- a test of the serial >ports. It works on the SE/30; but not on the PB170. > >I thought that the SE/30 is connected to earth ground and so is the HP. So I >connected from the chassis of the HP to the PW audio (ground) connector; still >NG. > >Any thoughts? Battery powered devices like the PowerBook are sometimes more sensitive to serial port weirdness. I had trouble with connecting my Mac Plus to an HP 95LX handheld. Everything else worked okay on that port, but not the HP. (it runs on two penlite batteries). It turned out that the plus (by accident or by design flaw?) was putting a 4 volt bias on the serial port that was doing weird things to the HP (which has only 3v dc!). The HP worked fine when connected to the printer port. Does your PB screen get dim or anything when connected to the device? Have you tried using the printer port? Good luck. --jamie Jamie Cox jcox@ess.harris.com | Phone: 1 407 633 5757 (work) Harris Space Systems Corp. | 1 407 723 7935 (home) MS ROCK-2, 295 Barnes Blvd. |The Macintosh Meeting and Drinking Society Rockledge, Florida USA | ""Speaking only for myself."" " 3499,16,"From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (I am an android..) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr21.113723.10103@synapse.bms.com> hambidge@bms.com writes: ]In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: ]>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: ]>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: ]>> ]>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. ]>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ]>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day ]>>> in Texas. ]>> ]>>Do YOU eat all your food cold? ]> ]>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. ]>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. ] ]Ever hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done. ]How effective is an electric stove then? Didn't the Branch Davidans have an emergency generator? Oh well, I don't think Brent thought of that anyway. -- /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon) wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu| |The Earth is our cradle, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever... | |People's organizations rarely stay that way... or even begin as such. | |I only speak for myself. If I *did* speak for UT, would anyone listen?| \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 3500,12,"From: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Chris Smith) Subject: Re: books/info on audio DSP ?? Distribution: rec,sci Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: goyt.csc.liv.ac.uk In sci.electronics,rec.audio David S. Rowell writes: >I assume these are appropriate newsgroups for this question. I am looking >for a good book, articles, anything on audio DSP. Theory is nice, but >I'm really looking for something very much on the applications side. >I want to look into it as my new hobby, so I need all the direction >I can get. Any comments would be welcome, too. I'm looking to build a DSP for guitar processing. Hence lots of background information would be really useful ! If anyone's got any info, could they email..... Thanks in advance... Chris ;-) +====================================================================+ |Name : Mr Chris Smith | Twang on that 'ole guitar ! | |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv.csc | | |Uni : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware | |Dgree: Computer Science | | +====================================================================+ ""What ever the sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"" -- D.H. Lawrence. * All views expressed are my own, and reflect that of private thought. * " 3501,10,"From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Reply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6 In article <1993Apr21.085435.6895@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes: > OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it. > I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if > you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some > of these players play in Finland). > > The Czech Republic > ------------------ > > Goaltenders: 1. Petr Briza (Finland somewhere, right?) signed contract for EV Landshut, Germany for the 1993/94 season > Defense: 3. Leo Gudas ? EC Hedos Muenchen, Germany since 1992. Holger -- S I E M E N S Holger Ohlwein AP153 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 8000 Muenchen 83 ------------- Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746 Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de N I X D O R F Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. " 3502,2,"From: randy@msc.cornell.edu (Randy Ellingson) Subject: re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Organization: Cornell University Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes: > >Hello fellow 'netters. > >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson. > >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad. > >Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is >readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). > >-- >Sincerely, > >Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu > >""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" >""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision > revised?!?!"" Sorry for the followup, but I couldn'y get email through on your addresses. I, too, am trying to decide between these two printers, and I would like to hear what users of these printers have to say about the questions above. Thank you. Randy randy@msc.cornell.edu " 3503,4,"From: ad@dcs.st-and.ac.uk (Tony Davie) Subject: Re: NUTEK FACES APPLE'S WRATH (article!!!!!!) READ Nntp-Posting-Host: bruichladdich.dcs.st-and.ac.uk Organization: St.Andrews University Lines: 24 In article <1993Mar31.221104.21890@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes: > there isn't any copyright equivalent of the res ipsa doctrine, > but there's something kind of similar. to show infringement, one > element you need to show is that the defendant copied from your work. > if you're lucky, you'll have direct evidence of copying - the smoking > gun. normally, you do this through circumstantial evidence, by showing > evidence of access from which one might reasonably infer copying. > this evidence of access is considered along with the similarities > between the two works in deciding whether you copied. however, if > the similarities are so strong as to be ""striking"", an inference of > copying may be drawn even without any evidence that the defendant had > access to your copyrighted work. > > in that case, the burden will be on the defendant to rebut the inference > of copying. for example, evidence that he'd been on a desert island for > the last ten years and had no contact with civilization. > WOW! Now we know why lawyers are rich and computer scientists are poor! Lawyers have to (sound as if they) understand this stuff. " 3504,2,"From: edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 9 thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: : The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really : have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need : 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your : pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not : toner. But that should go without saying. I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. " 3505,3,"From: griffith@egr.msu.edu (Terry Griffith) Subject: orchid fahrenheit sparkel...the answers...... Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 21 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: elvira.egr.msu.edu OK..... thanks to all of you who responded to my post. here's the ""official"" response from orchid.. Orchid is aware of the problem, the new rev of the board (rev d) SHOULD (not would) take care of the problem. production was scheduled to start on april 15, I have no confirmation that production did start on this day just the word of the tech on the other line. now the flame...... you would think a company like Orchid who has produced good quality products in the past would be more helpfull and willing to make right on a screwup of theirs. very poor tech support (the first 2 times I called I must have spoke with the janitor because they where talking craziness) the last time I talked to a tech named ""paul"" and he seemed to have a pretty good idea what was going on. until these problems are resovled neither myself nor my department will buy or recommend orchid products. flame off..... again thanks to all of you who answered my post. Terry " 3506,14,"From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 12 Writer Kathy Sawyer reported in today's Washington Post that Joseph Shea, the head of the space station redesign has resigned for health reasons. Shea was hospitalized shortly after his selection in February. He returned yesterday to lead the formal presentation to the independent White House panel. Shea's presentation was rambling and almost inaudible. Shea's deputy, former astronaut Bryan O'Connor, will take over the effort. Goldin asserted that the redesign effort is on track. -- Chuck Divine " 3507,7,From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots wanted Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 7 The best auto-shifters on the street (AND NOT THE TRACK) are those from Porsche... they wont change if you floor the gas during a turn.... a few years back a was in a 200SX auto (you guys call it a 240SX [without turbo]) and was going round a corner.... I floored it and next thing I know I was pointing backwards! The other drivers seemed quite amused ;-) ....Shaz.... 3508,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: WFAN Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 54 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") writes: >>Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do >>not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio >>staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and >>down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len >>Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia >>so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just >>wondering. You're right about the signal being strong. I live in West Philadelphia, and I can get FAN almost perfectly. It's a sports fans dream (especially if that person is from NY and wants to hear about his teams while he's away at school). As for Lupica & Berman, it's turned out to be Lupica, then Berman. Neither of them wanted to work a full four hour show, so Ed Coleman and Dave Sims' old four-hour slot was broken down into two seperate two-hour show - Lupica from 10-12, and Berman from 12-2. And they both happen to suck in comparison to Eddie and Dave. COME BACK, GUYS! > >The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to >the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia. The signal >might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York >feel ""obligated"" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of >hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day. WIP took two of your >best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. 610 >WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it >out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia. If I'm not >mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation? > Like I said, I live in Philly, so I can hear FAN and/or WIP whenever I want. But I cannot stand WIP. And it isn't because I loathe the Philly sports teams - the Phillies are my favorite NL team (Yanks are favorite AL), and the Eagles aren't too bad either. There are two big problems: 1)Total emphasis on the home teams, especially the Eagles. Unlike the FAN hosts, who can at least answer a question about an out-of-town team if a caller asks, the WIP hosts seem to have no clue about any team that doesn't play on Broad Street. Also, FANs periodic sports updates (every 20 minutes) gives sports news and scores from around the country. It's very rare to hear an out-of-town score being reported on WIP. 2)The hosts. With the exception of Jody MacDonald, who I miss from his days at FAN, none of the hosts really seems to have both a broad knowledge of the sport or a good on-air presence. The worst is Gary Cobb, who seems to have been hired solely on the basis that he used to play for the Eagles. Anyway, that's my two cents on the whole FAN vs WIP battle. -Alan " 3509,5,"From: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl (Anton de Ruiter) Subject: ??? TOP-30 MOTIF Applications ??? Organization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands. Lines: 35 Hello everybody, I am searching for (business) information of Motif applications, to create a TOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers and Fax programs, etc.. Please mail me all your information or references. I will summaries the results on this media. Thank you in advance, Anton de Ruiter. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ __ |Digital Equipment Corporation | | /_| __ /_ _ __ __/_ /__) ./_ _ _|WorkGroup Products (WGP) | |/ |/ /(_ (_)/ / (_/(-' / \ (_//(_ (-'/ |OBjectWorks (OBW) | | |Ing. Anton de Ruiter MBA | | |Software Product Manager | | __ |Post Office Box 245 | | | /_ _ /_ / _'_ _ _ |7300 AE Apeldoorn, The Netherlands| | |/|/(_)/ /\ (__// (_)(_//_) |Oude Apeldoornseweg 41-45 | | / |7333 NR Apeldoorn, The Netherlands| | __ |-----------------------------------| | /__)_ _ __/ _ /_ _ |Mail : HLDE01::RUITER_A | | / / (_)(_/(_/(_ (_ _\ |DTN : 829-4359 | | |Location: APD/F1-A22 | | |-----------------------------------| | __ _ |Internet: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl| | / )/_) ._ _ /_ | /_ _ /_ _ |UUCP : ..!mcsun!philapd!aruit | | (__//__)/(-'(_ (_ |/|/(_)/ /\ _\ |Phone : 31 55 434359 (Business)| | _/ |Phone : 31 5486 18199 (Private) | | |Fax : 31 55 432199 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 3510,3,"From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Subject: Re: 16550 UARTs (was: uucico for windows) Reply-To: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.03 Lines: 14 turtle@west.darkside.com (Fred Waller) writes: >> 16550s are _not_ stupid! > > Actually, they are, in the sense that hardware solutions to > a software problem are not proper. A programmer's function [much deleted] amazing. I could not find _one_ reference to waffle in all of this. followups redirected out. -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c " 3511,14,"From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Space Clipper Launch Article X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 40 To All -- I thought the net would find this amusing.. From the March 1993 ""Aero Vision"" (The newsletter for the Employees of McDonnell Douglas Aerospace at Huntington Beach, California). SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY ""On Monday, March 15 at noon, Quest Aerospace Education, Inc. launched two DC-Y Space Clippers in the mall near the cafeteria. The first rocket was launched by Dr. Bill Gaubatz, director and SSTO program manager, and the second by Air Force Captain Ed Spalding, who with Staff Sgt. Don Gisburne represents Air Force Space Command, which was requested by SDIO to assess the DC-X for potential military operational use. Both rocket launches were successful. The first floated to the ground between the cafeteria and Building 11, and the second landed on the roof of the cafeteria. Quest's Space Clipper is the first flying model rocket of the McDonnell Douglas DC-X. The 1/122nd semi-scale model of the McDonnell Douglas Delta Clipper has an estimated maximum altitude of 300 feet. The Space Clippers can be used in educational settings to teach mathematics and science, as well as social studies and other applications. The Space Clipper is available either in the $35 Space Clipper outfit, which includes everything needed for three launches, or as individual rockets for $12 each. Both are available through hobby shops or by calling 1-800-858- 7302."" By the way -- this is not an endorsement to buy the product nor is it an advertisement to buy the product. I make no claims about the product. This is posted for public information only (hey, I found it amusing...), and is merely a repeat of what was included in the MDSSC Huntington Beach Newsletter. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor --- Maximus 2.01wb " 3512,19,"From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu In-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 18:43:14 GMT In article Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) writes: > In article , > joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote: > > In article > > Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes: > LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians > brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On > the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena > to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can > easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions. > josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument? > Love to,but I must do it a bit later My copy of Harrison in packed, but the > last chapter as best as I can rember deals with Orphic mysteries and their > views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly > implyed that the Christian view was drawn heavly from the Orphic and other > Major cults of the time. I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details. have a day, josh " 3513,10,"From: tva1@gmuvax.gmu.edu Subject: Re: David Polie's future Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA. Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr14.010305.1737@ncsu.edu>, fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) writes: > >> Bad news for the Patrick division next year. Caps GM David Polie is >> reportedly trying to get a front office job with the NHL. I can't >> believe Polie has not been fired despite 10 years of mediocrity. >> You know what Frank? It's not David Poile's fault that the Caps have mired in mediocrity for so long. Blame it on the owner, Abe Polin! This guy owns both the NBA's Bullets and the NHL's Capitals. How dumb and selfish could this guy be? He's unwilling to spend the bucks in order to get a big star to Landover...no wonder both teams STINK! I've heard that the Capitals had a chance to get Detroit's Steve Yzerman last summer but they pulled out at the last minute. Why? Because our good man, Abe, is afraid to spend the cash! Nevertheless, I'm still faithful and hoping that one day this devilish dictator will be replaced. >> Frank Salvatore >> fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu Tuan A. Van ""Does it matter where you buy your underwear ?!"" --> Tom Cruise, RAIN MAN ========================================================================= | T. A. Van -- a.k.a. ARCHMAGE | Q: What's orange, black, and ugly | | George Mason University | and dwells in the basement ? | | Electrical Engineering '93 | A: da Philadelphia FLYERS! | | TVA1@gmuvax.gmu.edu | | | TVA1@mason1.gmu.edu | ** Let's go CAP-I-TALS! ** | ========================================================================= " 3514,5,"From: bshaw@spdc.ti.com (Bob Shaw) Subject: question on ""xon"" in X11R5 Article-I.D.: bobasun.bshaw.735532995 Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: bobasun Hi folks Say, I'm new to R5 and have one quick question. In using xon ( xon ) , I notice that it always comes up with a very small window . I'm pretty sure its the default font. My xterms all work normally. Is xon supposed to read your .Xresources for a font size ? xrdb -q appears to show the right stuff. I can use xon with arguments such as xterm -fn 10x20 etc and everything is correct. Of course you could always do a simple script to do this , but I have a feeling I'm missing something simple here. Comments / suggestions appreciated. Thanks in advance Bob bshaw@spdc.ti.com mm " 3515,2,"Organization: Arizona State University From: James Cassidy Subject: Norton Desktop Smartcan vs. Norton Util's EP Lines: 22 I just purchased The Norton Desktop for windows, and I also have Norton Utilities. When I installed NDW, it wanted to rem out the line that installed EP (EP /ON) and the command to invoke the Image utility. It replaced the Image command with a new image command that invokes the version of Image that came with NDW. This makes sense, as presumably the Image version with NDW is newer than the one with NU. It did not, however, install smartcan in the autoexec. Now two questions: 1: Will NU use the image data saved by the newer version of image invoked. i.e. Are the two version of Image compatable? 2: Will erase protect use the info from smartcan, and vice versa? I use both dos and windows, and I want to make sure that when I erase files in either environment, they are going to be protected. From the experiments I have run, The two programs (Erase Protect and smart Erase) don't use each others info. I currently have both EP and smartcan loading within my autoexec, and I don't see any conflicts; FYI : Norton Desktop for Windows version 2.2 Norton Util's version 6 Thanks for any help. " 3516,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes: >wrong about the whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the >systemic effects of cumulative individual actions. If you want fire >insurance on your house that's prudent and it has no effect on me; but >if you and a bunch of other paranoids are packing handguns in the >backcountry it makes me, and anyone else who doesn't chose to protect >himself in this manner, pretty f**king nervous. Why? If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all. >I mean, take this to its logical conclusion, suppose we all carried >handguns all the time, for protection from all the other people >carrying handguns. Would we collectively be, or feel, safer? Hell no. >We'd feel a lot more insecure. Why? I note that the available psych info says that feelings of security INCREASE. The victimization stats say that that increase is rational. >Another systemic effect of all the ""good"" people protecting themselves >is that the ""bad"" people are going to modify their behavior in >response: Yes, they are, but how? >they're going to be much itchier and much more willing to >kill people in the course of routine muggings if they think their Nope - that doesn't happen. Instead the switch (among those who change behaviors) to property crimes. That's an improvement even if the economic take is unchanged. Sure - not everyone switches, but they were killing before. -andy -- " 3517,3,"From: robink@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Robin Kenny) Subject: Re: CMOS memory loss..Any idea why? Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 14 How is the CMOS backed-up? Dry cell batteries or ni-cad cell? Your batteries may be dead. mwallack@kean.ucs.mun.ca (mwallack@kean.ucs.mun.ca) wrote: : A friend's computer recently failed to recognize its hard drive. : On examination it was discovered that the CMOS had lost all data. : No other problems were discovered. When the CMOS was restored, : everything appeared to work as before. This all happened after : a long period of stable operation. The most recent change had : been the addition of a second hard drive as a slave. Qemm had : been installed along with DeskView for quite a while. Any ideas? : The computer is a 386dx with 8megs of ram, an ATI Wonder xl card, and is : about a year and a half old. " 3518,2,"From: acifuent@isluga.puc.cl (Alejandro Cifuentes) Subject: Q: Change icons forever??? Nntp-Posting-Host: isluga.puc.cl Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 8 Hi! Anyone knows how can i change an icon forever and ever?????? I mean, not only in the program manager... Thanks in advance! Alejandro Cifuentes H. acifuent@isluga.puc.cl " 3519,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr17.014638.56998@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (R OBERT WILLIAM FUSI) writes: >In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (D a >vid Bonds) writes: >>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: >> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the >> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to b e >> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fe e >l >> >>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the >>ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but >>quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better >>shifter. >> >> > >>---- >>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system >>Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB > >>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the >diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models, >and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match >the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a >harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two >(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have >to go with a leftover or ""slightly"" used model for that price range....tough >decision... > > Rob Fusi > rwf2@lehigh.edu > >-- > Car and Driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the Ford Probe GT (5sp of course) > -- " 3520,14,From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept. Lines: 4 This discussion is better followed in talk.politics.space Joseph Cain cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu cain@fsu.bitnet scri::cain (904) 644-4014 FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098 3521,6,"From: tae0460@zeus.tamu.edu (ANDREW) Subject: COMPLETE 386 SYSTEM FOR SALE Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 386DX 25Mhz (DTK motherboard Intel microprocessor) 128k internal cache 4 megs Ram 89 meg Harddrive (IDE controller) 1.2 meg floppy drive 1.44 meg floppy drive 2 serial ports 1 parallel port Samsung VGA monitor VGA graphics card 101 key keyboard 2400 baud internal modem MS-DOS 6.0 Procomm Plus ver. 2.0 Norton Utilities ver. 4.5 other varius utilities I'm upgrading and need to sell. The system is reliable and ready to go. I've never had any problems with it. I'm asking $1050 o.b.o. If you're interested, please respond by either E-mail or phone. TAE0460@zeus.tamu.edu or 409-696-6043 Thanks, Andrew " 3522,10,"Subject: College Hockey All-Star Roster From: bdhissong@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"" Lines: 2 Could someone please post the rosters for the College Hockey All-Star game East and West Rosters? Thanks in advance. " 3523,17,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 96 In article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: > >(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes > > Sam Zbib Writes > >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. > >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about > >>anti-trust in the business world. > >> > >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial > >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines > >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says > >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of > >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those > >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so > >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, > >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some > >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. > >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. > >> > >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the > >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / > >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours > >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair > >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of > >>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist > >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). > >> > >>Right now, I'm just going to address this point. >>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land, >>It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because, >>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin), >>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. >>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of >>it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no >>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting >>them by selling the land right out from under them. >>They are to blame, not the Jews. >> >> > >Amir: >Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was >it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the >fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of >any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews? It was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it without notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible enough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving them to their fate. > >Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine >(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate >treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while >Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord >would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would >be motivated to sell, regardless of the price. The point is that the land was sold legally, often at prices above its actual value. It was legal, and good business for the sellers, though it left the Palestinians who worked the land in a poor situation. > >It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the >palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share >your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from >any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down? I don't know if others share this opinion. It is mine, and I'm sure there are some who agree and some who don't The way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances beyond their control, in that since they didn't own the land, they didn't have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the ""greater Arab unity"" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews (an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just business. > >All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The >question was whether the intent behind the purchase was >aimed at controlling the public assets (land, >infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds >to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court. > >Sam > > My opinions are my own and no one else's The purpose of buying the land was to provide space and jobs for Jewish immigrants. In any case, no matter what the purpose, the sales were legal, so I really don't see any grounds for contesting them. Amir " 3524,4,"From: scotts@bbking.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Sherman) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Distribution: usa Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com>, mike@macadam.com writes: |> I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer |> engineering or computer science. Any advice or suggestions will be |> appreciated. |> |> Thanks, |> Mike A professor of mine once said ""The difference between a Computer Engineer and a Computer Scientist is about $5000"" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than the CS. Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the ""computer"" in your car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke Scott " 3525,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 102 In article <1993Apr03.044958.15500@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes: >understand what the words mean. Someone who inflicts pain on themselves >because they enjoy it is a masochist. > >And, no: there is nothing wrong with it. You may think it's gross or >bizarre (and I might agree with you here), but my/your disgust is not equal >to it being morally wrong. /(hudson) /If someone inflicts pain on themselves, whether they enjoy it or not, they /are hurting themselves. They may be permanently damaging their body. That is true. It is also none of your business. Some people may also reason that by reading the bible and being a Xtian you are permanently damaging your brain. By your logic, it would be OK for them to come into your home, take away your bible, and send you off to ""re-education camps"" to save your mind from ruin. Are you ready for that? /(hudson) /And why is there nothing wrong with it? Because you say so? Who gave you /the authority to say that, and set the standard for morality? Why? Because: I am a living, thinking person able to make choices for myself. I do not ""need"" you to show me what you think is the way; I have observed too many errors in your thinking already to trust you to make up the rules for me. Because: I set the standard for my *own* morality, and I permit you to do the same for yourself. I also do not try to force you to accept my rules. Because: Simply because you don't like what other people are doing doesn't give you the right to stop it, Hudson. We are all aware that you would like for everyone to be like you. However, it is obnoxious, arrogant thinking like yours, the ""I-know-I'm-morally-right-so-I-can-force-it-on-you"" bullshit that has brought us religious wars, pogroms against Jews, gay-bashing, and other atrocities by other people who, like you, ""knew"" they were morally right. (me) >What is it with you, Hudson? You think you know better than other people, >so you want to be able to tell them what they can and cannot do to >themselves? Who died and made you God? How come I can't do the same >thing? /(hudson) /Aren't you? Aren't you indicating that I should not tell other people what to do? Aren't you telling me it is wrong for me to do that? It is not a moral standard that I am presenting you with, Hudson. It is a key to getting along in life with other people. It is also a point of respect: I trust other people to be intelligent enough to make their own choices, and I expect the same to be returned. You, on the other hand, do not trust them, and want to make the choice for them--whether they like it or not. It is also a way to avoid an inconsistency: if you believe that you have the right to set moral standards for others and interfere in their lives, then you must, by logic, admit that other people have the same right of interference in your life. (Yes, I know; you will say that your religion is correct and tells you that only agents acting in behalf of your religion have the right of interference. However, other people will say that you have misinterpreted the Word of God and that *they* are the actual true believers, and that you are acting on your own authority. And so it goes). (hudson) /Who gave /you the authority to set such a moral standard for me to tell me that I /cannot set a moral standard for others? You can set all the standards that you want, actually. But don't be surprised if people don't follow you like rats after the Pied Piper. At the most basic form, I am not going to LET you tell me what to do; and if necessary, I will beat you to a bloody pulp before I let you actually interfere in my life. Now, at a more humane level than that, I recognize that all people are sentient beings possessed of intelligence and capable of reason. I also recognize that they, like I, appreciate being treated with respect and allowed to make their own decisions. " 3526,13,"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) Subject: Foreskin Troubles Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) Lines: 3 What can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male whose foreskin will not retract? " 3527,3,"From: christyo@cae.wisc.edu (Buddy Christyono) Subject: Summary: DoubleDisk Gold v 6.0 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 98 Hi Netters, As promised, here are the summary of opinions on DoubleDisk Gold v.6.0. People seem to be quite happy with the product. There is no much of opinion on how good it is compared to the industry leader Stacker 3.0. (Superstor Pro is not considered since it is slower than Stacker although just as reliable - BYTE Magazine's conclusion ;-) ), so it's hard to make any decision to go with Stacker or with DoubleDisk Gold v6.0. However, it seems that at $39.95, it is quite a buy. Buddy Christyono buddy@optics.ece.wisc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- summary of replies ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Buddy, I do not have DD Gold 6.0 experience. I just ordered it. I currently have DD 2.3 (the last version). I am very pleased with its performance. Here is my suggestion... 1) If you do not have any compression software currently, I would go with DOS 6.0's compression. All the discussion on the net indicates that for $50 you get the compression (built into the OS), plus the other utilities that you would pay way more than $50 for. Besides, you are now at DOS6.0 (whatever that means...) 2) If you have DoubleDisk 2.3 already (like I do), the cost is $29.95 for the upgrade. After thinking about it and asking the net, I decided that I could not go wrong with the update cost! I have never suffered from performance of DD. I have a 12ms HD with large SW packages in both compressed and uncompressed format. It works great. Not delays. I think the ""A"" is better than ""B"" arguements are a lot of bunk... they are all comparable in performance. I am looking forward to being able to ""LOADHIGH"" the DD sw. That has been an annoyance. 3) If you have Stacker, et.al. currently, I would not see it worth the effort to upgrade. Just my $.02 ... Regards, Mark Bagdy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Buddy, I got the same mailer. About 2 weeks ago I got DDG and installed it. The documentation was, in my opinion, easy to follow. I used the automatic installation (not the custom) and everything went smoothly. There were some specific instructions on a readme file for dealing with 386max & QEMM. DDG has an uninstall (unlike DOS6.0) if you need it. My system has a 203Mb hard drive. before installing DDG I had ~5Mb free. After DDG I had ~197Mb free. Pretty good statistics considering that my 8Mb permanent windows swap file stayed on the uncompressed portion (along with other drivers and such). I have had no problems whatsoever. I have noticed no slowdown (other than it takes a little longer to boot) either in windows or dos. So far I am a very happy camper. -Bruce -- Bruce F. Steinke | ""Never know when you're going to bsteinke@dsd.es.com | need a good piece of rope."" Software Technical Support Engineer | Sam Gamgee Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been using DoubleDisk Gold for a little more than a month on a 486DX 33Mhz, 120MB Seagate drive, running DOS & Windows in 386 enhanced mode. I ran some tests and concluded that the speed of a DoubleDisk drive with a drive read cache is about equal to the bare drive without a cache. I have no complaints about reliability. It was very easy to install. The only problem I had was with Castle Wolfenstein 3-D. I assumed the game was trying to bypass DOS disk access and moved the game to the non-compressed region of the disk. Since then the game has never given me a problem. There was never any damage to the DoubleDisk drive. Compression performance for the whole disk has held steady around 1.8:1. This is lower than expected but about 20% (size) of my files are compressed image files and some large zip files. If you have any more specific questions let me know. Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I bought it an have been happy with it. I use it on both MFM and IDE 40 MB drives. I was using DoubleDisk before Gold came out. That is the same product MSDOS 6.0 is shipping with. No problems with either product. -- Ron Bjornseth bjornset@pogo.den.mmc.com /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// -------------------- END OF MESSAGES -------------------------------------- " 3528,5,"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: X11R5 and Open Look Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr12.155820.82@aedc-vax.af.mil>, bonds@aedc-vax.af.mil writes: > I am reposting this because I am not sure my first post ever made it out. > I have built and installed X11R5 on my SPARCstation 2. My aim is to run > the MIT X server but retain the OpenLook Window Manager. I am sure this > is not uncommon, but I just want to make sure that I change and/or delete > everything that I need to. For instance, I can start xdm in rc.local, but > how do I get rid of Xnews? > The OpenLook window manager source is available on the MIT contrib tapes or from export.lcs.mit.edu .I would suggest building this too, rather than using the version from OpenWindows. It is olwm v3. Regards, Richard Gooch.... " 3529,19,"From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 146 Most of the key issues in the 284 line post to which I am following up are dealt with in the following post I made on talk.abortion yesterday, modified to correct the next to last paragraph. Message-ID: References: <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> In <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes: >In article , nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes: >> In cs132073@cs.brown.edu (John Bates) writes: >> >> >In article nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes: >> > perhaps out >> >of dedication to your convictions. I never, *never*, thought that you >> >would be consciously intellectually dishonest, though. >> >> I am not. Can you show me anything that would lead you to think >> otherwise? >See the ""Spreading Christianity"" thread, in which he says I >ignore certain statements that I specifically acknowledged and Dean did not. He called them ""the Great Commission"" but this is NOT descriptive of Jesus's words in Matt. 10:15. Matt. 10:14, Jerusalem Bible translation: ""And if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have to say, as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust from your feet."" Matt. 10:15: ""I tell you solemnly, on the day of Judgment it will not go as hard with the land of Sodom and Gomorrah as with that town."" In the post to which Dean is referring above, I said: ""> The above is a good description of Kaflowitz, who keeps harping on > shaking the dust off the feet but ignoring what Christ said next."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ The highlighted words refer to Matt 10:14 and 10:15 respectively. And Dean countered: ""Actually, this comment of your's is a perfect example of what an intellectually dishonest little sparrowfart you are, since I specifically acknowledged the Great Commission and the entreaty to spread the word. In fact, it is the combination of the two statements I was addressing, and not just the one, and for you to characterize that as ""ignoring"" the instruction to spread the word is a good example of what a dishonest little fellow you are."" Of course, Matt 10:15 [quoted above] makes no mention of ""instruction to spread the word."" All these quotes btw are from: Message-ID: <1993Apr13.121624.3400@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> >in which, at the end, he claims I did not answer a question >which I answered, and which he deleted (to get the chronology >right, he deleted the answer and then said I didn't answer). And I claim it correctly, because my question went: ""Do you, too, measure the goodness of a post by its entertainment value, and care not a whit for such mundane things as truth and falsehood?"" and the closest Dean came to an answer was: ""Peter, Peter, Peter. You're just so stupid, pretentious, dull, and generally unworthy of the value you place on yourself that the sport is all there is."" Of course, this does NOT answer my question, which has to do with posts in GENERAL and not my posts in particular. Surely even Dean knows this, yet he brazenly asserts otherwise, reinforcing his claim with an insult: ""So I now restore the answer to your question that you deleted. If you're still unable to figure it out, ask a nice kid at the local junior high to help you. It really doesn't take much sophistication to understand."" On top of which, I doubt that the ""answer"" is at all representative of Dean's true frame of mind. The insults you have seen quoted thus far are but a small sample of the stream that oozes out of Dean's mind throughout the 284-line post from which these quotes were taken. One wonders whether Dean's mind is so warped as to find sport in all this. He even dredges up a falsified account of events that transpired earlier on another thread: ""You made an ass of yourself by claiming that it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ was in the tradition of Lent to make public announcements of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the ""sins"" of other individuals."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ False. I said it was the tradition to recall and atone for one's sins. That I made public announcements of the ""sins"" of others --""sins"", BTW, that were a matter of public record, documented in the posts of others-- is a different matter. Many of the individuals involved are so nearly amoral that they do not see as sins what morally upright people see as sins, so I pointed some of them out. And I expressly set up a whole thread, YOUR TURN, to let people point out MY sins to me. Dean again: ""You made an ass of yourself by saying that my statement of the tradition of tzedukkah was somehow an attempt to ""paint Jews as plaster saints,"" thereby revealing your inability to understand the discussion as well as showing your dislike for people saying positive things about Jews, and now you show your intellectual dishonesty by repeatedly ignoring the simple argument being made, and then claiming I am ignoring the very argument I acknowledge."" Actually, what happened was that Dean made it seem like ANY Jew who gave alms or did other acts of charity in public was a hypocrite according to Jewish customs. In doing so, he was caricaturing Jewish customs as being almost impossibly demanding, as well as implicitly slandering all Jews who make public their acts of charity. I went very easily on Dean for this, giving him the benefit of the doubt in a post following my initial crack about ""plaster saints"", suggesting that he had been merely careless in his wording. In an astonishing act of ingratitude, Dean now serves up an incredibly distorted picture of what took place between us, and using it as the basis of one insult after another. Peter Nyikos " 3530,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 56 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: > Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that > there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also > been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which > rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. ""Widely reported"", eh? Remember, this has had a news blackout since day 2. The FBI is the single, sole, source of these rumors. It may be the truth, but it may not be. We may never know. We MUST question it, though. Why no media coverare? What were they hiding? > > What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I > believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems > with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as > well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. > > 1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at > some time before the Feb. 28th raid? > It would seem so. > 2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. > They would still be alive, today. Another day is another chance. > 3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the ""right"" course of action? > I think it contributed to the outcome. Folks that are sleep deprived tend not to think clearly > And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in > general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. > I feel strongly they were NOT proper. > One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the > ""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy > had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. As expected. If it had come out well, he would not have hesitated to take full credit. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 3531,19,"From: russpj@microsoft.com (Russ Paul-Jones) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr16.193723.19050@asl.dl.nec.com> duffy@aslss02.asl.dl.nec.com (Joseph Duffy) writes: > >How does one falsify any origin theory? For example, are a forever existing >universe or abiogenesis strictly falsifiable? The same way that any theory is proven false. You examine the predicitions that the theory makes, and try to observe them. If you don't, or if you observe things that the theory predicts wouldn't happen, then you have some evidence against the theory. If the theory can't be modified to incorporate the new observations, then you say that it is false. For example, people used to believe that the earth had been created 10,000 years ago. But, as evidence showed that predictions from this theory were not true, it was abandoned. -Russ Paul-Jones russpj@microsoft.com " 3532,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500356:000:1777 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:18:00 1993 Lines: 37 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations AVODA IVRIT - HEBREW LABOR --------------------------------- ""Hebrew labor"" is a concept which has served the Zionist movement for a long time. It has a double-barreled message: 1) The new Jew must learn to do physical labor, i.e. working the land; 2) The land in this country must pass into Jewish hands, i.e. to the same new Jew who has ""learned"" to work it. Both aspects of the two-pronged concept of ""Hebrew labor"" have racist connotations. On the one hand, the diaspora Jew's lack of training in physical labor is a myth shared by Zionists and antisemites. On the other hand, its meaning in practice has been the displacement of the Arab farmer from the source of his livelihood. The occupation and the cheap Palestinian labor which streamed from the occupied territories to the factories, orchards, and hot-houses of Israel relegated the myth of ""Hebrew labor"" to the history books and nostalgic memories of the Zionist Movement. It has blossomed forth anew, however, as the government's answer to problems caused by the closure of the territories. Today too this concept has two functions: 1) to give a progressive look to the closing of the Palestinian population. Or in the words of Environment Minister Yossi Sarid, ""I have no tears for those who get rich off of cheap labor"". 2) to furnish an answer to the unemployed Israeli who complains of being obliged to work for wages that are lower than the unemployment insurance he receives. The Israeli government is considering plans to import labor from the far- East to replace native people, Palestinians, who work in their own country, thus creating conflicting interests between two ethnical communities and ruling over them. " 3533,3,"From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) Subject: Do the 2MB ATI Ultra Pro 16 and 24 bit Windows Drivers Work? Organization: University of Texas at Austin Lines: 35 Hi there. We just bought a 486 DX2/66 Gateway system with a 2 meg ATI Ultra Pro video card. Everything seems to work fine except for the Windows Drivers for 800x600 24 bit, and 800x600 and 1024x768 16 bit modes. The fonts and icons start deteriorating after windows startup, and within minutes of use, everything on the screen is totally unintelligible. Naturally, I called Gateway tech support to inquire about this. The technician asked me about the drivers, and I told him it was version 1.5, build 59. He told me that the 16 and 24 bit drivers for the ATI Ultra Pro simply do not work!!! Is this true? If so, I'm simply amazed. How could this be? The strange thing is I would have expected to see some discussion on here (unless the subject has made the FAQ!!!). One very suspicious point that came up later was that he stated that none of the Windows Accelerator boards have working 16 and/or 24 bit drivers for Windows 3.1. I easily challenged him on that because I've been running a Diamond 24x in 15 bit mode at home for 4 months now, and I have tested and used the 24 bit mode as well. He then backed off and said: ""Well, Diamond has been working on those drivers much longer."" Anyway, I just wanted to see if anyone else had any trouble and what they did about it. Any feedback will be appreciated. The system configuration is: Gateway 486 DX2/66 Local Bus 16 Megs Ram SCSI HD & CD-ROM Ultrastor 34F Local Bus SCSI controller ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus with 2MB VRAM DOS 6.0 Windows 3.1 Mach 32 drivers version 1.5 (build 59) Thanks in advance. -- Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu " 3534,13,"From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: dozonoff@bu.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dozonoff From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) Newsgroups: sci.med Date: 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT References: Sender: news@bu.edu Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: : {much deleted] : : : The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made : by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to : something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our : immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running : nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history : including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. : Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. -- David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C (617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 A couple of folks have suggested the ""corn connection"". In the five month period between the two seizures, my daughter had eaten a fair amount of Kix and Berry Berry Kix in the mornings and never had a problem. I checked the labels and the first ingredient is corn. She has also never had a problem eating corn or corn on the cob but of course, that is usually later in the day with a full stomach so the absorption would not be so high. I do believe that Frost Flakes have corn in them but I will have to check the Fruit Loops. But the fact that she has eaten this other corny cereal in the morning makes me wonder. Thanks for checking into this. All information at this point is valuable to me. Sharon -- Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov NASA Langley Research Center Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241 Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362 " 3535,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: Omar Vizquel - GRAND SALAMI? Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 16 Cheryl Marks writes > > Do you think Omar's grand slam is the result of his new fan club? Last week > a banner appeared in the Kingdome: > > OLDER WOMEN FOR OMAR That depends. Just how much older were they? > Cheryl -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 3536,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Too fast Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.222638.22817 Distribution: world Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 51 In article bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >In <1993Apr14.045526.21945@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: > >>In article <1qg19v$5ju@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Mark Hartman) writes: >>Driving 130 in a straight line is fine, you very soon become aclimated >>to it. It's only a rush when there are corners that you don't >>think you can make. > >>On a clear autobahn, 130 is nothing. In the U.S. 99% of people and >>all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade >>people otherwise. > >Sure, but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc. I'd have no problem driving 130 on most US freeways, as it is, I save it for the backroads, which really are more likely to be dangerous. >than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your >shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway, without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe at 130 in any decent, well damped car. Note that my definition of decent, well damped, would exclude most typical American sedans. >drive quickly and they say my Probe will do 130, but that's 30 more >than I've ever tried in it cause there isn't a decent enough piece >of road hereabouts. I don't know where you live, but I would be much more worried about cops, other traffic etc. than the road surface at 130. It just isn't that fast or that dangerous. If you have a Probe GT, no problem. The 4cyl models I have driven would be likely to be unpredictable at higher speeds. Craig > >>Craig >>> >>>-- >>> Mark Hartman mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu >>> Kalamazoo, MI bk405@cleveland.freenet.edu >>> ""I'm naked in the school!"" - Sleepyhead - >>> > >Bob > > " 3537,12,"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr6.161107.2235@b30news.b30.ingr.com>, dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.182402.28700@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: |> |> |> |> The 'beam' is split in two, with one beam aimed at the target car (sort of) and |> |> |> the other at the ground. The speeds of each are calulated for the final |> |> |> number |> |> |> |> Actually, this is true on the more expensive ones, but the cheaper ones |> |> just read the speedometer. |> |> I've never seen a speedometer-reading model. Are you sure? Who makes |> them? Consider the difficulty of reading the speedo on various makes |> of cars in use... I've seen single beam moving-mode and split beam |> moving-mode. Obviously the police officer reads the speedometer. I cannot believe the nit-picking in this group. There's 2 beams, there is not, is too, etc.... |> -------------------------------------------------------------------- |> [Dave Medin's 10 line sig deleted] " 3538,14,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 552 LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics Orthodox physicists, astronomers, and astrophysicists CLAIM to be looking for a ""Unified Field Theory"" in which all of the forces of the universe can be explained with a single set of laws or equations. But they have been systematically IGNORING or SUPPRESSING an excellent one for 30 years! The late Physicist Dewey B. Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, which he calls the ""Reciprocal System"", is built on two fundamental postulates about the physical and mathematical natures of space and time: (1) ""The physical universe is composed ENTIRELY of ONE component, MOTION, existing in THREE dimensions, in DISCRETE UNITS, and in two RECIPROCAL forms, SPACE and TIME."" (2) ""The physical universe conforms to the relations of ORDINARY COMMUTATIVE mathematics, its magnitudes are ABSOLUTE, and its geometry is EUCLIDEAN."" From these two postulates, Larson developed a COMPLETE Theoretical Universe, using various combinations of translational, vibrational, rotational, and vibrational- rotational MOTIONS, the concepts of IN-ward and OUT-ward SCALAR MOTIONS, and speeds in relation to the Speed of Light (which Larson called ""UNIT VELOCITY"" and ""THE NATURAL DATUM""). At each step in the development, Larson was able to MATCH objects in his Theoretical Universe with objects in the REAL physical universe, (photons, sub-atomic particles [INCOMPLETE ATOMS], charges, atoms, molecules, globular star clusters, galaxies, binary star systems, solar systems, white dwarf stars, pulsars, quasars, ETC.), even objects NOT YET DISCOVERED THEN (such as EXPLODING GALAXIES, and GAMMA-RAY BURSTS). And applying his Theory to his NEW model of the atom, Larson was able to precisely and accurately CALCULATE inter- atomic distances in crystals and molecules, compressibility and thermal expansion of solids, and other properties of matter. All of this is described in good detail, with-OUT fancy complex mathematics, in his books. BOOKS of Dewey B. Larson The following is a complete list of the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson's books about his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe. Some of the early books are out of print now, but still available through inter-library loan. ""The Structure of the Physical Universe"" (1959) ""The Case AGAINST the Nuclear Atom"" (1963) ""Beyond Newton"" (1964) ""New Light on Space and Time"" (1965) ""Quasars and Pulsars"" (1971) ""NOTHING BUT MOTION"" (1979) [A $9.50 SUBSTITUTE for the $8.3 BILLION ""Super Collider"".] [The last four chapters EXPLAIN chemical bonding.] ""The Neglected Facts of Science"" (1982) ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"" (1984) [FINAL SOLUTIONS to most ALL astrophysical mysteries.] ""BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER"" (1988) All but the last of these books were published by North Pacific Publishers, P.O. Box 13255, Portland, OR 97213, and should be available via inter-library loan if your local university or public library doesn't have each of them. Several of them, INCLUDING the last one, are available from: The International Society of Unified Science (ISUS), 1680 E. Atkin Ave., Salt Lake City, Utah 84106. This is the organization that was started to promote Larson's Theory. They have other related publications, including the quarterly journal ""RECIPROCITY"". Physicist Dewey B. Larson's Background Physicist Dewey B. Larson was a retired Engineer (Chemical or Electrical). He was about 91 years old when he died in May 1989. He had a Bachelor of Science Degree in Engineering Science from Oregon State University. He developed his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe while trying to develop a way to COMPUTE chemical properties based only on the elements used. Larson's lack of a fancy ""PH.D."" degree might be one reason that orthodox physicists are ignoring him, but it is NOT A VALID REASON. Sometimes it takes a relative outsider to CLEARLY SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES. At the same time, it is clear from his books that he also knew ORTHODOX physics and astronomy as well as ANY physicist or astronomer, well enough to point out all their CONTRADICTIONS, AD HOC ASSUMPTIONS, PRINCIPLES OF IMPOTENCE, IN-CONSISTENCIES, ETC.. Larson did NOT have the funds, etc. to experimentally test his Theory. And it was NOT necessary for him to do so. He simply compared the various parts of his Theory with OTHER researchers' experimental and observational data. And in many cases, HIS explanation FIT BETTER. A SELF-CONSISTENT Theory is MUCH MORE than the ORTHODOX physicists and astronomers have! They CLAIM to be looking for a ""unified field theory"" that works, but have been IGNORING one for over 30 years now! ""Modern physics"" does NOT explain the physical universe so well. Some parts of some of Larson's books are FULL of quotations of leading orthodox physicists and astronomers who agree. And remember that ""epicycles"", ""crystal spheres"", ""geocentricity"", ""flat earth theory"", etc., ALSO once SEEMED to explain it well, but were later proved CONCEPTUALLY WRONG. Prof. Frank H. Meyer, Professor Emeritus of UW-Superior, was/is a STRONG PROPONENT of Larson's Theory, and was (or still is) President of Larson's organization, ""THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF UNIFIED SCIENCE"", and Editor of their quarterly Journal ""RECIPROCITY"". He moved to Minneapolis after retiring. ""Super Collider"" BOONDOGGLE! I am AGAINST contruction of the ""Superconducting Super Collider"", in Texas or anywhere else. It would be a GROSS WASTE of money, and contribute almost NOTHING of ""scientific"" value. Most physicists don't realize it, but, according to the comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson, as described in his books, the strange GOOFY particles (""mesons"", ""hyperons"", ALLEGED ""quarks"", etc.) which they are finding in EXISTING colliders (Fermi Lab, Cern, etc.) are really just ATOMS of ANTI-MATTER, which are CREATED by the high-energy colliding beams, and which quickly disintegrate like cosmic rays because they are incompatible with their environment. A larger and more expensive collider will ONLY create a few more elements of anti-matter that the physicists have not seen there before, and the physicists will be EVEN MORE CONFUSED THAN THEY ARE NOW! Are a few more types of anti-matter atoms worth the $8.3 BILLION cost?!! Don't we have much more important uses for this WASTED money?! Another thing to consider is that the primary proposed location in Texas has a serious and growing problem with some kind of ""fire ants"" eating the insulation off underground cables. How much POISONING of the ground and ground water with insecticides will be required to keep the ants out of the ""Supercollider""?! Naming the ""Super Collider"" after Ronald Reagon, as proposed, is TOTALLY ABSURD! If it is built, it should be named after a leading particle PHYSICIST. LARSONIAN Anti-Matter In Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, anti-matter is NOT a simple case of opposite charges of the same types of particles. It has more to do with the rates of vibrations and rotations of the photons of which they are made, in relation to the vibrational and rotational equivalents of the speed of light, which Larson calls ""Unit Velocity"" and the ""Natural Datum"". In Larson's Theory, a positron is actually a particle of MATTER, NOT anti-matter. When a positron and electron meet, the rotational vibrations (charges) and rotations of their respective photons (of which they are made) neutralize each other. In Larson's Theory, the ANTI-MATTER half of the physical universe has THREE dimensions of TIME, and ONLY ONE dimension of space, and exists in a RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP to our MATERIAL half. LARSONIAN Relativity The perihelion point in the orbit of the planet Mercury has been observed and precisely measured to ADVANCE at the rate of 574 seconds of arc per century. 531 seconds of this advance are attributed via calculations to gravitational perturbations from the other planets (Venus, Earth, Jupiter, etc.). The remaining 43 seconds of arc are being used to help ""prove"" Einstein's ""General Theory of Relativity"". But the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson achieved results CLOSER to the 43 seconds than ""General Relativity"" can, by INSTEAD using ""SPECIAL Relativity"". In one or more of his books, he applied the LORENTZ TRANSFORMATION on the HIGH ORBITAL SPEED of Mercury. Larson TOTALLY REJECTED ""General Relativity"" as another MATHEMATICAL FANTASY. He also REJECTED most of ""Special Relativity"", including the parts about ""mass increases"" near the speed of light, and the use of the Lorentz Transform on doppler shifts, (Those quasars with red-shifts greater than 1.000 REALLY ARE MOVING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT, although most of that motion is away from us IN TIME.). In Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, there are THREE dimensions of time instead of only one. But two of those dimensions can NOT be measured from our material half of the physical universe. The one dimension that we CAN measure is the CLOCK time. At low relative speeds, the values of the other two dimensions are NEGLIGIBLE; but at high speeds, they become significant, and the Lorentz Transformation must be used as a FUDGE FACTOR. [Larson often used the term ""COORDINATE TIME"" when writing about this.] In regard to ""mass increases"", it has been PROVEN in atomic accelerators that acceleration drops toward zero near the speed of light. But the formula for acceleration is ACCELERATION = FORCE / MASS, (a = F/m). Orthodox physicists are IGNORING the THIRD FACTOR: FORCE. In Larson's Theory, mass STAYS CONSTANT and FORCE drops toward zero. FORCE is actually a MOTION, or COMBINATIONS of MOTIONS, or RELATIONS BETWEEN MOTIONS, including INward and OUTward SCALAR MOTIONS. The expansion of the universe, for example, is an OUTward SCALAR motion inherent in the universe and NOT a result of the so-called ""Big Bang"" (which is yet another MATHEMATICAL FANTASY). THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION I wish to recommend to EVERYONE the book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"", by Dewey B. Larson, 1984, North Pacific Publishers, (P.O. Box 13255, Portland, Oregon 97213), 456 pages, indexed, hardcover. It contains the Astrophysical portions of a GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by that author, an UNrecognized GENIUS, more than thirty years ago. It contains FINAL SOLUTIONS to most ALL Astrophysical mysteries, including the FORMATION of galaxies, binary and multiple star systems, and solar systems, the TRUE ORIGIN of the ""3-degree"" background radiation, cosmic rays, and gamma- ray bursts, and the TRUE NATURE of quasars, pulsars, white dwarfs, exploding galaxies, etc.. It contains what astronomers and astrophysicists are ALL looking for, if they are ready to seriously consider it with OPEN MINDS! The following is an example of his Theory's success: In his first book in 1959, ""THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE"", Larson predicted the existence of EXPLODING GALAXIES, several years BEFORE astronomers started finding them. They are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of Larson's comprehensive Theory. And when QUASARS were discovered, he had an immediate related explanation for them also. GAMMA-RAY BURSTS Astro-physicists and astronomers are still scratching their heads about the mysterious GAMMA-RAY BURSTS. They were originally thought to originate from ""neutron stars"" in the disc of our galaxy. But the new Gamma Ray Telescope now in Earth orbit has been detecting them in all directions uniformly, and their source locations in space do NOT correspond to any known objects, (except for a few cases of directional coincidence). Gamma-ray bursts are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of the GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson. According to page 386 of his book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"", published in 1984, the gamma-ray bursts are coming from SUPERNOVA EXPLOSIONS in the ANTI-MATTER HALF of the physical universe, which Larson calls the ""Cosmic Sector"". Because of the relationship between the anti-matter and material halves of the physical universe, and the way they are connected together, the gamma-ray bursts can pop into our material half anywhere in space, seemingly at random. (This is WHY the source locations of the bursts do not correspond with known objects, and come from all directions uniformly.) I wonder how close to us in space a source location would have to be for a gamma-ray burst to kill all or most life on Earth! There would be NO WAY to predict one, NOR to stop it! Perhaps some of the MASS EXTINCTIONS of the past, which are now being blamed on impacts of comets and asteroids, were actually caused by nearby GAMMA-RAY BURSTS! LARSONIAN Binary Star Formation About half of all the stars in the galaxy in the vicinity of the sun are binary or double. But orthodox astronomers and astrophysicists still have no satisfactory theory about how they form or why there are so many of them. But binary star systems are actually a LIKELY CONSEQUENCE of the comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson. I will try to summarize Larsons explanation, which is detailed in Chapter 7 of his book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"" and in some of his other books. First of all, according to Larson, stars do NOT generate energy by ""fusion"". A small fraction comes from slow gravitational collapse. The rest results from the COMPLETE ANNIHILATION of HEAVY elements (heavier than IRON). Each element has a DESTRUCTIVE TEMPERATURE LIMIT. The heavier the element is, the lower is this limit. A star's internal temperature increases as it grows in mass via accretion and absorption of the decay products of cosmic rays, gradually reaching the destructive temperature limit of lighter and lighter elements. When the internal temperature of the star reaches the destructive temperature limit of IRON, there is a Type I SUPERNOVA EXPLOSION! This is because there is SO MUCH iron present; and that is related to the structure of iron atoms and the atom building process, which Larson explains in some of his books [better than I can]. When the star explodes, the lighter material on the outer portion of the star is blown outward in space at less than the speed of light. The heavier material in the center portion of the star was already bouncing around at close to the speed of light, because of the high temperature. The explosion pushes that material OVER the speed of light, and it expands OUTWARD IN TIME, which is equivalent to INWARD IN SPACE, and it often actually DISAPPEARS for a while. Over long periods of time, both masses start to fall back gravitationally. The material that had been blown outward in space now starts to form a RED GIANT star. The material that had been blown OUTWARD IN TIME starts to form a WHITE DWARF star. BOTH stars then start moving back toward the ""MAIN SEQUENCE"" from opposite directions on the H-R Diagram. The chances of the two masses falling back into the exact same location in space, making a single lone star again, are near zero. They will instead form a BINARY system, orbiting each other. According to Larson, a white dwarf star has an INVERSE DENSITY GRADIENT (is densest at its SURFACE), because the material at its center is most widely dispersed (blown outward) in time. This ELIMINATES the need to resort to MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES about ""degenerate matter"", ""neutron stars"", ""black holes"", etc.. LARSONIAN Solar System Formation If the mass of the heavy material at the center of the exploding star is relatively SMALL, then, instead of a single white dwarf star, there will be SEVERAL ""mini"" white dwarf stars (revolving around the red giant star, but probably still too far away in three-dimensional TIME to be affected by its heat, etc.). These will become PLANETS! In Chapter 7 of THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION, Larson used all this information, and other principles of his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, to derive his own version of Bode's Law. ""Black Hole"" FANTASY! I heard that physicist Stephen W. Hawking recently completed a theoretical mathematical analysis of TWO ""black holes"" merging together into a SINGLE ""black hole"", and concluded that the new ""black hole"" would have MORE MASS than the sum of the two original ""black holes"". Such a result should be recognized by EVERYone as a RED FLAG, causing widespread DOUBT about the whole IDEA of ""black holes"", etc.! After reading Physicist Dewey B. Larson's books about his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, especially his book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"", it is clear to me that ""black holes"" are NOTHING more than MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES! The strange object at Cygnus X-1 is just an unusually massive WHITE DWARF STAR, NOT the ""black hole"" that orthodox astronomers and physicists so badly want to ""prove"" their theory. By the way, I do NOT understand why so much publicity is being given to physicist Stephen Hawking. The physicists and astronomers seem to be acting as if Hawking's severe physical problem somehow makes him ""wiser"". It does NOT! I wish the same attention had been given to Physicist Dewey B. Larson while he was still alive. Widespread publicity and attention should NOW be given to Larson's Theory, books, and organization (The International Society of Unified Science). ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION I heard of that concept many years ago, in connection with UFO's and unorthodox inventors, but I never was able to find out how or why they work, or how they are constructed. I found a possible clue about why they might work on pages 112-113 of the book ""BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER"", by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson, which describes part of Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe. I quote one paragraph: ""As indicated in the preceding chapter, the development of the theory of the universe of motion arrives at a totally different concept of the nature of electrical resistance. The electrons, we find, are derived from the environment. It was brought out in Volume I [Larson's book ""NOTHING BUT MOTION""] that there are physical processes in operation which produce electrons in substantial quantities, and that, although the motions that constitute these electrons are, in many cases, absorbed by atomic structures, the opportunities for utilizing this type of motion in such structures are limited. It follows that there is always a large excess of free electrons in the material sector [material half] of the universe, most of which are uncharged. In this uncharged state the electrons cannot move with respect to extension space, because they are inherently rotating units of space, and the relation of space to space is not motion. In open space, therefore, each uncharged electron remains permanently in the same location with respect to the natural reference system, in the manner of a photon. In the context of the stationary spatial reference system the uncharged electron, like the photon, is carried outward at the speed of light by the progression of the natural reference system. All material aggregates are thus exposed to a flux of electrons similar to the continual bombardment by photons of radiation. Meanwhile there are other processes, to be discussed later, whereby electrons are returned to the environment. The electron population of a material aggregate such as the earth therefore stabilizes at an equilibrium level."" Note that in Larson's Theory, UNcharged electrons are also massLESS, and are basically photons of light of a particular frequency (above the ""unit"" frequency) spinning around one axis at a particular rate (below the ""unit"" rate). (""Unit velocity"" is the speed of light, and there are vibrational and rotational equivalents to the speed of light, according to Larson's Theory.) [I might have the ""above"" and ""below"" labels mixed up.] Larson is saying that outer space is filled with mass- LESS UN-charged electrons flying around at the speed of light! If this is true, then the ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION fields of spacecraft might be able to interact with these electrons, or other particles in space, perhaps GIVING them a charge (and mass) and shooting them toward the rear to achieve propulsion. (In Larson's Theory, an electrical charge is a one-dimensional rotational vibration of a particular frequency (above the ""unit"" frequency) superimposed on the rotation of the particle.) The paragraph quoted above might also give a clue to confused meteorologists about how and why lightning is generated in clouds. SUPPRESSION of LARSONIAN Physics The comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson has been available for more than 30 YEARS, published in 1959 in his first book ""THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE"". It is TOTALLY UN-SCIENTIFIC for Hawking, Wheeler, Sagan, and the other SACRED PRIESTS of the RELIGION they call ""science"" (or ""physics"", or ""astronomy"", etc.), as well as the ""scientific"" literature and the ""education"" systems, to TOTALLY IGNORE Larson's Theory has they have. Larson's Theory has excellent explanations for many things now puzzling orthodox physicists and astronomers, such as gamma-ray bursts and the nature of quasars. Larson's Theory deserves to be HONESTLY and OPENLY discussed in the physics, chemistry, and astronomy journals, in the U.S. and elsewhere. And at least the basic principles of Larson's Theory should be included in all related courses at UW-EC, UW-Madison, Cambridge, Cornell University, and elsewhere, so that students are not kept in the dark about a worthy alternative to the DOGMA they are being fed. For more information, answers to your questions, etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (especially Larson's BOOKS). UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT partial summary is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC " 3539,0,"Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 10 In article , johnsd2@jec322.its.rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) writes: >In article 143048IO30436@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, () writes: Dan Johnson- You don't know me, but take this hand anyway. Bravo for GO(DS) = 0. Beautiful! Simply beautiful! -jim halat " 3540,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Keywords: outlet Article-I.D.: shelley.1qkm8iINN92t Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1qids1INNebl@chnews.intel.com> crichmon@sedona.intel.com (Chris Richmond) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.193122.20818@mprgate.mpr.ca>, vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: >> In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >> |> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and >> |> I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets >> |> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, >> |> the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground >> |> wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the >> |> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground >> |> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. >> This is contrary to the electrical code and should be fixed. >Well, my house was built just last year, and the breaker box is wired the >same way. There SHOULD be a connection of the GROUND wire to a ground in the breaker box. There also should be a connection of the NEUTRAL wire to a ground in the breaker box. There should be no other place in the building where such a connection occurs (i.e. not in any of the outlet boxes). The NEUTRAL (white) wire is a 'grounding conductor' for the plug, and is NOT safe to touch, while the GROUND (green) wire is a 'protective ground' and carries no current unless some kind of electrical fault has occurred. It's safe to touch the protective ground, but not to touch the grounding conductor (because there is current in the grounding conductor, its outlet-box end will not be at the same ground potential as its breaker-box end). John Whitmore " 3541,16,"From: fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Rice University Lines: 25 In green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: >Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that >there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also >been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which >rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. Consider this: The BDs had more than one lamp; The tanks made more than one hole in the building. Did anyone else notice on the video that it appeared that wherever there was smoke coming out of the building, there was a tank nearby? The fact that it appears that fires started in several places does not rule out anything. Also, where are these several witnesses? The way I heard it (from the FBI spokesman on CNN) the ""witnesses"" were all people driving the tanks. >One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the >""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy >had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. Too bad nothing will happen to her or him. The FBI and the media have done their job well. Dwayne Jacques Fontenot " 3542,6,"From: root@zmax.com (The Big Cheese) Subject: Laptop Cards Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc. Lines: 17 Laptop Connectivity Cards ------------------------- Part #T2RN Desc: 3270 Remote Emulation Card for Toshiba Laptop Computer Part #T324M Desc: Easytalk 2400 bd dedicated internal modem with MNP level 5 for Toshiba T1200 & T1600 Part #T2LL Desc: Easytalk internal ethernet card for toshiba laptop expansion slot. Part #T232 Desc: Easytalk 3270 Terminal emulation for toshiba laptop expansion slot If interested in all or individual parts send email to rotella@zmax.com " 3543,18,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: ProLifer Or Terrorist Threat Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 22 In <1993Apr5.204531.9006@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes: >In article drieux@wetware.com writes: >>In article 1pamhpINN7d3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu, taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes: >>>I'm prepared to instruct individuals in the proper use and >>>handling of firearms. >>>As a Desert Storm vet with six years in the National Guard, I have a >>>great deal of experience in handling weapons and tactical training. >>ps: anyone up for a discussion of counter sniper operations? >>Security drills, Your Friend the Counter Terrorist Operation..... >If twit promises to train them in tactics and weapons handlings, I doubt >any of them will last long enough to become terrorists. Look for a sudden >rise in firearms accidents among the Fiends of the Fetus, though. Bless you, Nadja, we needed a name for these Attack Puppies. Friends of the Fetus, or FOOF for short. :-) " 3544,19,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 45 In article <1r3qab$o1v@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <930421.102525.9Y9.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes: >#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >#> In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew >#> writes: >#> #This is complete nonsense. Relativism means saying that there is no absolut >#> #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality >#> #are equally good. >#> >#> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others? >#> How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference? ># Either Frank O'Dwyer or mathew said: [...stiff deleted...] >#Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail? How come you can answer that when >#Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference? [...stiff deleted...] Speed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that will result in the same value measured no matter the reference. A bullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph will be moving at a speed of (a) 0mph to someone on the train. (b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train. The reference frame makes the speed relative. But what's interesting here is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet. Every person off, a bullet moving 60mph. I know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is filled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way. -- jim halat halat@bear.com bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you-- nyc i speak only for myself " 3545,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sun, April 18, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 219 New Jersey 1 0 2--3 Pittsburgh 2 3 1--6 First period 1, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 1 (Stevens, Lemieux) pp, 1:40. 2, New Jersey, Barr 1 (Guerin, Holik) 6:24. 3, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 1 (Jagr, Ramsey) 9:33. Second period 4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 2 (Stevens, Murphy) pp, 4:11. 5, Pittsburgh, Francis 1 (Ramsey, Mullen) 12:57. 6, Pittsburgh, Tippett 1 (Jagr, McEachern) 17:13. Third period 7, Pittsburgh, Jagr 1 (Samuelsson, Lemieux) pp, 8:35. 8, New Jersey, Stevens 1 (Niedermayer, Driver) pp, 11:48. 9, New Jersey, Stevens 2 (Semak, Niedermayer) 18:56. Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 8-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Francis 1 0 1 Jagr 1 2 3 Lemieux 2 2 4 McEachern 0 1 1 Mullen 0 1 1 Murphy 0 1 1 Ramsey 0 2 2 Samuelsson 0 1 1 Stevens 0 2 2 Tippett 1 0 1 Tocchet 1 0 1 New Jersey: 3 Power play: 8-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barr 1 0 1 Driver 0 1 1 Guerin 0 1 1 Holik 0 1 1 Niedermayer 0 2 2 Semak 0 1 1 Stevens 2 0 2 ----------------------------------------- St Louis 0 2 2--4 Chicago 1 2 0--3 First period 1, Chicago, Noonan 1 (Larmer, Brown) 8:17. Second period 2, St Louis, Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson) 3:12. 3, Chicago, Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 5:40. 4, Chicago, Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter) 8:51. 5, St Louis, Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney) 12:49. Third period 6, St Louis, Shanahan 1 (Brown, Hull) pp, 11:12. 7, St Louis, Hull 1 (Emerson, Brown) pp, 11:29. St Louis: 4 Power play: 4-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown 1 2 3 Emerson 0 2 2 Felsner 1 0 1 Hull 1 1 2 Janney 0 1 1 McRae 0 1 1 Shanahan 1 1 2 Chicago: 3 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown 0 1 1 Chelios 0 1 1 Larmer 0 1 1 Matteau 0 1 1 Noonan 3 0 3 Roenick 0 1 1 Sutter 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Los Angeles 1 3 2--6 Calgary 0 1 2--3 First period 1, Los Angeles, Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 0:16. Second period 2, Calgary, Suter 1 (Fleury) sh, 2:48. 3, Los Angeles, Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor) pp, 3:13. 4, Los Angeles, Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel) 3:37. 5, Los Angeles, McSorley 1 (unassisted) 6:36. Third period 6, Los Angeles, Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly) 1:06. 7, Calgary, Dahlquist 1 (Otto) 4:23. 8, Calgary, Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel) 8:47. 9, Los Angeles, Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) pp, 10:32. Los Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Carson 2 0 2 Donnelly 0 1 1 Granato 0 1 1 Gretzky 0 1 1 Huddy 1 0 1 McSorley 1 0 1 Millen 1 0 1 Robitaille 0 1 1 Rychel 0 1 1 Sandstrom 0 2 2 Shuchuk 0 1 1 Sydor 1 1 2 Taylor 0 1 1 Calgary: 3 Power play: 8-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Dahlquist 1 0 1 Fleury 0 1 1 MacInnis 0 1 1 Otto 0 1 1 Reichel 0 1 1 Suter 1 0 1 Yawney 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- First period 1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 1 (Flatley, Vaske) 5:56. Second period No scoring. Third period 2, Washington, Hunter 1 (Elynuik, Krygier) 3:18. 3, Washington, Hunter 2 (Khristich, Johansson) pp, 7:01. 4, Washington, Khristich 1 (Pivonka, Johansson) pp, 15:25. Washington: 3 Power play: 5-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Elynuik 0 1 1 Hunter 2 0 2 Johansson 0 2 2 Khristich 1 1 2 Krygier 0 1 1 Pivonka 0 1 1 NY Islanders: 1 Power play: 5-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ferraro 1 0 1 Flatley 0 1 1 Vaske 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Buffalo 2 1 1 1--5 Boston 0 2 2 0--4 First period 1, Buffalo, Hannan 1 (unassisted) 2:32. 2, Buffalo, LaFontaine 1 (Mogilny) 9:26. Second period 3, Boston, Juneau 1 (Neely, Oates) pp, 7:20. 4, Boston, Neely 1 (Oates, Juneau) 14:42. 5, Buffalo, Mogilny 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) 19:55. Third period 6, Buffalo, Mogilny 2 (unassisted) 3:46. 7, Boston, Neely 2 (Juneau, Oates) 15:44. 8, Boston, Heinze 1 (Juneau) 17:00. Overtime 9, Buffalo, Sweeney 1 (Khmylev, Smehlik) 11:03. Buffalo: 5 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Hannan 1 0 1 Hawerchuk 0 1 1 Khmylev 0 1 1 LaFontaine 1 0 1 Mogilny 2 1 3 Smehlik 0 2 2 Sweeney 1 0 1 Boston: 4 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Heinze 1 0 1 Juneau 1 3 4 Neely 2 1 3 Oates 0 3 3 ----------------------------------------- Montreal 1 1 0 0--2 Quebec 0 0 2 1--3 First period 1, Montreal, Dionne 1 (Dipietro, Brunet) 5:52. Second period 2, Montreal, Bellows 1 (Muller, Desjardins) 9:58. Third period 3, Quebec, Rucinsky 1 (Lapointe, Sundin) pp, 18:31. 4, Quebec, Sakic 1 (Lapointe) 19:12. Overtime 5, Quebec, Young 1 (Ricci, Duchesne) 16:49. Quebec: 3 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Duchesne 0 1 1 Lapointe 0 2 2 Ricci 0 1 1 Rucinsky 1 0 1 Sakic 1 0 1 Sundin 0 1 1 Young 1 0 1 Montreal: 2 Power play: 1-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bellows 1 0 1 Brunet 0 1 1 Desjardins 0 1 1 Dionne 1 0 1 Dipietro 0 1 1 Muller 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- " 3546,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: SI Clock Poll - Final Call Summary: Final call for SI clock reports Keywords: SI,acceleration,clock,upgrade Article-I.D.: shelley.1qvfo9INNc3s Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu A fair number of brave souls who upgraded their SI clock oscillator have shared their experiences for this poll. Please send a brief message detailing your experiences with the procedure. Top speed attained, CPU rated speed, add on cards and adapters, heat sinks, hour of usage per day, floppy disk functionality with 800 and 1.4 m floppies are especially requested. I will be summarizing in the next two days, so please add to the network knowledge base if you have done the clock upgrade and haven't answered this poll. Thanks. Guy Kuo " 3547,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: WI and IL firearms law Questions Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 56 |Question #2 |As I understand it, in Evanston, IL, they have a ordinance banning handguns. |Is there any way to get around this provision? Why don't you call the City and ask? Oak Park also has an illegal handgun ban as well, but does allow those with a ""collectors FFL"" to possess (""collectible?"") handguns. |What would the penalty if you were found out be? Probably a fine in practical terms. |What if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting in your apartment |there? How would the city law apply to your impending |trial for the shooting? It wouldn't impede your defense at all. There was an actual incident in Oak Park where a gas station owner engaged in a shootout with a handgun; the grand jury decided not to presecute. On the other hand, a black man used an illegally owned handgun in Oak Park to defend himself, and the Village tried to make an example out of him. An NRA Director who lived there made a stink about this, and it was decided not to charge the guy. Of course, pissing off anti-gun police thugs has it's own drawbacks, like when the Oak Park Police Chief came to his house, and told him: ""this is stepping over the line; this could get dangerous for you."" Whereupon the few black Oak Park police officers watched over his house to ensure that the white anti-gun police chief and his anti-gun cronies wouldn't f*ck with him, his home or family. |Also, what is IL state law concerning short barreled weapons? Short barreled |shotgun is what I would be interested in if a handgun were not available, |either that or a shortened 9mm carbine (ie Colt, Marlin). L.V. Cipriani states that the ""Any other weapon"" category is allowed, but the exact relationship between an Ithaca Auto-burgular, which I believe is in the ""Any other weapon"" category and a chopped barrel H&K HK-94 (Class 3 for sure) is not clear to me... |One more thing, what is the chance of getting a CCW permit in IL without being |rich or famous or related to the mayor? In your dreams, buddy. As long as Democrats reign in Chicago, Illinois residents will always be disarmed and helpless in the streets. Politicians get around this by provisions in the law that allow them to carry concealed weapons. Voters in Chicago are too stupid to vote these a**holes out of office; because the Dems are always in power, the Illinois Supreme Court is always tilted to the Democratic Party's views on guns. [All candidates supported by political consultant David Axelrod are anti-gun, which explains anti-RKBA Crook County States Attorney Jack(ass) O'Malley being a so-called ""Republican.""] Get rid of the Chicago Democrats, get rid of their members on the IL Judiciary, and you got a fighting chance of a preemption law and a CCW law... " 3548,19,"From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) Subject: BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED (Judas) Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 591 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu I posted this several days ago for Dave Butler. He may have missed it - my Usenet board has changed a little. Just in case he missed it, here it is again. Dave Butler writes... From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) >Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [Fallaciously] ANSWERED (Judas) Date: Thu Apr 1 20:52:11 1993 ""I can basically restrict this post to showing the type of evidence Mr DeCenso has presented, and answering his two questions (and a couple of his spurious insults and false claims)."" MY REPLY... O.K. DB... [By the way Mr DeCenso, you really should have looked in the index of your Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon. You would have found that the word in Acts for ""lot"" is ""kleros,"" not ""CHORION"" as stated by Mr Archer, and nowhere in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to ""Theological Dictionary of the New Testament"" by Bromley, is the meaning ""burial plot"" discussed. It discusses the forms of ""kleros"" (eg: kleros, kleroo, etc), and the various meanings of ""kleros"" (eg: ""plot of land,"" and ""inheritance""), but mentions nothing about CHORION or ""burial plot."" (Why does this not surprise me?) Thus it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped Archer as a reference.] DB later corrected himself... _____________________________________________________________________ From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) >Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [Fallaciously] ANSWERED (Judas) Date: Fri Apr 2 02:32:11 1993 I owe the group an apology. It is my habit to check my articles before and after their submission for errors. In my last article I stated: > (By the way Mr DeCenso, you really should have looked in the index of your > Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon. You would have found that the word in > Acts for ""lot"" is ""kleros,"" not ""CHORION"" as stated by Mr Archer, and nowhere > in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to ""Theological Dictionary > of the New Testament"" by Bromley, is the meaning ""burial plot"" discussed. It > discusses the forms of ""kleros"" (eg: kleros, kleroo, etc), and the various > meanings of ""kleros"" (eg: ""plot of land,"" and ""inheritance""), but mentions > nothing about CHORION or ""burial plot."" (Why does this not surprise me?) Thus > it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped Archer as a reference). I was wrong. I admit that I do not have a handle on Greek grammar, and thus confused ""kleros"", the second to last word in Acts 1:17 as being the plot of land discussed. In actuality it is ""chorion"", which is the last word Acts 1:18. Unfortunately my Greek dictionary does not discuss ""chorion"" so I cannot report as to the nuances of the word. I don't know if someone else would have caught this, though I am sure that someone would be able to do so, but I have an aversion to disseminating mistakes, especially when someone else might use that mistake to prove a point"" _____________________________________________________________________ MY REPLY... Vary noble of you Dave. I didn't want to have to go to x number of sources to show you wrong. (Although I am researching CHORION a little). DB... ""Of course the only other reference Mr DeCenso has given is Bullinger. And Bullinger uses such ridiculous exegisis that when I accused Mr DeCenso of actually believing Bullinger, he replied that I misquoted him: >> ""And you maintain that you find such exegesis convincing? Oh dear."" > > My Reply... > Your misquotes of me are astounding, Dave. Read the beginning of this part of > my response to see what I REALLY said in my posting of this article. [Actually Mr DeCenso, you said that there was ""benefit"" to our argument, in that it caused to to rediscover Bullinger's exegisis. I did not realize that you would find such garbage beneficial, unless you were convinced by it]."" MY REPLY... Thank you for correcting your restating of my points. DB... ""and Mr DeCenso also replied: > Dave, these are not necessarily my views; they are Bullinger's. WE will > discuss the land issue in later posts, I'm sure. I'm only responding to >this one you have directed re: Bullinger's views because it's enjoyable. Thus I apologize for thinking that even Mr DeCenso could find such ""drek"" convincing....he should specify which parts of Bullinger he finds convincing and quit hiding behind a disingenuous mask of ""This is what Bullinger believed, not necessarily what I believe."" So which is it Mr DeCenso? Do you find the exegisis convincing or not?)"" MY REPLY... One of my purposes in debating these alleged contradictions with you and others is to diseminate many different views of possible reconciliations raised by various Bible scholars and students alike. When I present MY VIEWS, I will clearly distinguish them from now on. DB... ""Of course without Archer and Bullinger we find that Mr DeCenso has presented no Greek exegisis at all, and Mr DeCenso has made a big thing about my not referring back to the actual Greek. Thus we find this demand on his part for quality Greek exegisis to be a hypocritical requirement."" MY REPLY... Good point. But in your declaring that these passages are contradictory, you have produced only superficial reasonings and observations. Nor have you dug deeper. I'm glad you have begun in this post. I will begin Greek studies on these passages in more depth than I thought necessary, as well. DB... ""It would be appropriate to look at what Mr DeCenso has actually USED as evidence. Now we know what he claims for a standard, as he has stated it often enough: > (a) the text itself > (b) parallel passages > (c) other pertinent Scriptures > (d) historical context > (e) historical content > (f) other pertinent historical info > (g) cultural context > (h) cultural content > (i) other pertinent cultural info > (j) grammatical construction > (k) Hebrew and Greek word studies > (l) etc. But are these actual standards he has used, or simply empty hyperbole. Let's see, he has used (a), and since he is trying to reconcile it to other passages, we see that he has also used (b). On the other hand he has presented no use of: (d) historical context or (e) historical content or (f) other pertinent historical info or (g) cultural context or (h) cultural content or (i) other pertinent cultural info or (j) grammatical construction or even (k) Hebrew and Greek word studies [remember, Archer and Bullinger don't count] Thus we find his vaunted criteria for exegisis is just empty mouthings."" MY REPLY... Question: Do you find such criteria important? If so, do you plan on starting to use them to the best of your ability, or will you continue to present shallow observations (I don't mean this in a bad way). At this point in our _debates_, I have not found it necessary to present a total exegetical analysis of these passages, since we seem to keep beating around the bush and not getting into the core of the verses. I do not believe it necessary to use many of the above criteria to refute your arguments re: Judas in Acts and Matthew, but I will do my best from this point on to use several of the above criteria, since you desire me to. I hope you will also. It will greatly enhance our study of these passages. DB... ""The only thing he has actually used, beyond the passage itself, is any other passage. Thus Mr DeCenso should be honest and note that most of his list is red herring and his only real criteria seems to be: > (a) the text itself > (b) parallel passages MY REPLY... The reason is simple...you are mistating the passages. You claim that the PASSAGES contradict one another; I do not see the PASSAGES contradicting one another. (1) They may very well be complimentary, as many scholarly sources mention; (2) Matthew may not be presenting Judas' death, as you claim. But we'll look at your defense of this later. Also, the ""reward of iniquity"" in the Acts PASSAGE may not be the 30 pieces of silver in Matthew's PASSAGES. (Although you have a valiant attempt later at stating why you believe it is). At this beginning stages in our debates, we are laying some Scriptural groundwork, which will be expanded upon through deeper exegesis. DB... ""Of course the only reason I can see to so drastically reinterpret a passage as he has done with Judas' death, is to make it agree with another passage so that both could be considered correct."" MY REPLY... One of the reasons I have given a different exegetical view of the passages is that you seem to think the majority of scholarship is wrong in concluding these passages are complimentary. However, I see no problem in Tony Rose's explanation of Judas' death... _____________________________________________________________________ HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE INACCURACY BETWEEN JUDAS HANGING HIMSELF IN MATTHEW 27:5 AND ""FALLING HEADLONG HE BURST OPEN"" ============================================================= This question of the manner in which Judas died is one with which we are constantly confronted in our travels. Many people point to the apparent discrepancy in the two accounts as an obvious, irreconcilable error. Some have gone so far as to say that the idea of an inerrant Bible is destroyed by these contradictory accounts. However, this is not the case at all. Matthew relates that Judas hanged himself, while Peter tells us he fell and was crushed by the impact. The two statements are indeed different, but do they necessarily contradict each other? Matthew does not say that Judas did not fall; neither does Peter say that Judas did not hang himself. This is not a matter of one person calling something black and the other person calling it white. Both accounts can be true and supplementary. A possible reconstruction would be this: Judas hanged himself on a tree on the edge of a precipice that overlooked the valley of Hinnom. After he hung there for some time, the limb of the tree snapped or the rope gave way and Judas fell down the ledge, mangling his body in the process. The fall could have been before *or* after death as either would fit this explanation. This possibility is entirely natural when the terrain of the valley of Hinnom is examined. From the bottom of the valley, you can see rocky terraces 25 to 40 feet in height and almost perpendicular. There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that Judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down, tearing his body open. It is important to remember that we are not told how long Judas remained hanging from the tree or how advanced was the decomposition of his body before his fall. Louis Gaussen relates a story of a man who was determined to kill himself. This individual placed himself on the sill of a high window and pointed a pistol at his head. He then pulled the trigger and leaped from the window at the same time. On the other hand, a person could say that this man took his life by shooting himself, while another could rightly contend he committed suicide by jumping form the tall building. In this case, both are true, as both are true in the case of Matthew's and Peter's accounts of the death of Judas. It is merely a situation of different perspectives of the same event. _____________________________________________________________________ Your only reason for rejecting this is, I believe, your attempt to discredit inerrancy. You haven't related how this is IMPOSSIBLE or highly unlikely. Here's what you said in an earlier post... _____________________________________________________________________ DB [quoting Tony Rose]... > There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. > Therefore, it is easy to conclude that Judas struck one of the jagged rocks > on this way down, tearing his body open. It is important to remember that we > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > are not told how long Judas remained hanging from the tree or how advanced > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > was the decomposition of his body before his fall. ""The added text in this version is so heavy that, assuming you are truly so opposed to such tactics, you should find it not credible. But you seem to find Tony Rose's eisegesis satisfactory, while clearly rejecting David Joslin's."" _____________________________________________________________________ Here, you discredit Tony's explanation based on what you deem too ""heavy"" for the passages. But you haven't addressed why you feel that way. You can say it's a vain attempt to reconcile the contradiction, but that doesn't tell me it didn't happen, nor have you shown why you reject that possibility. Questions: Is Matthew lying or is Luke lying? Or are they both lying? Or are either or both of them misinformed? Why do you think there is such an alleged contradiction? I do not think you have ever told us what you believe in this respect. DB... ""At present though, Mr DeCenso only asks two questions of me: > (1) You claim Acts and Matthew contradict one another in representing Judas' > death. I ask you again to provide evidence that Matthew stated Judas > died in the hanging. > (2) You claim that the 30 pieces of silver in Matthew that Judas threw down > in the temple and the chief priests used, is the ""reward of iniquity"" > in Acts that pictures Judas in some way purchasing a field with; > therefore there is a contradiction. Prove that the 30 pieces of silver > and the ""reward of iniquity"" are one and the same. Actually I find question (1) to be a rather stupid request, but I will answer it because he now restricts himself to two points. First I would point out that hanging is a very efficient manner for ending a life. In fact it is a bit of a fluke when someone survives hanging (except in fantasy cowboy movies), and even then it usually referred to as an attempted hanging."" MY REPLY... I work at an agency that investigates child abuse and neglect. Today, I got a call re: a child that attempted suicide by hanging himself because his mother is on crack. He failed in his attempt and is in a child's psych ward at a local hospital. Hanging attempts are not always successful. To assume that because most hangings are successful, this one was also is ""begging the question"", if I may quote you. [Last night, listening to _The Bible Answer Man_ broadcast, The Christian Research Institute's show, one of the scholars on there used several of these terms that you use. I am not all that familiar with them. The man on the BAM show teaches Comparative Religion and Logic. It was interesting] DB... ""This is so prevalent that, so that to say a man hung himself with no other qualifiers is synonymous with stating that he killed himself."" MY REPLY... Qualifiers are important at times, as we'll see in an OT passage I'll mention below. Does hanging ALWAYS have this outcome? Did Matthew, who is the only source we have re: Judas hanging himself, state that Judas died as a result? To say it's synonymous means it has the same meaning as. A boy (age 14) hung himself. But he lived. This is only one of probably thousands of documented cases we can discover. DB... ""Now I am not alone in this thought; in fact, since Mr DeCenso so respects Christian scholarly (including Greek scholars) opinion, I did some research."" MY REPLY... Thank you, Dave. DB... ""Interestingly, not one of the Christian references I read, interpreted the hanging as being anything but a fatal suicide. ^^^^^^^^^^^ MY REPLY... [^^^ above, mine] So it's OK to use Christian sources to back your points? What about Tony's position. Do you value it or even consider it as a valid possibility? Also, is it possible that the sources you read may be wrong, or lying, or deceived in other parts of their books? If so, should we do, as we have done with Archer, toss them to the side and not value anything they say, including their ""interpretation"" of the hanging of Judas? I am sure _you_ would find some errors and maybe even some deception in those sources. You also noted they ""interpreted"" the hanging as meaning he died. Although that is very possibly true, do you find that in the text itself? Remember, that's the first criteria we must examine. DB... ""This included: ""The Biblical Knowledge Commentary"" by Woodward and Zuck"" MY REPLY... Which I own. It's a good source of commentary info. But not inerrant. DB... ""The Interpreters on Volume Commentary on the Bible"" by Laydon ""The one volume Bible Commentary"" by J R Dunelow ""Word meanings of the Testament"" Ralph Earl ""The Abingdon Bible Commentary"" published by Abingdon ""Harpers Bible Commentary"" by William Neal (Actually I could have presented many more as well) MY REPLY... I appreciate your doing this research, Dave. Maybe we are getting somewhere in how we both should approach these alleged contradictions - more in depth study. DB... ""In each case, these references specifically describe that the interpretation of Matt 27:5 as successful, suicide and thus I can only conclude that the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Greek word ""apagchw""(ie: hang oneself) is translated as a successful hanging."" MY REPLY... [^^^ above, mine] No you can't only conclude this, although, as Tony says, this was a highly probable outcome. But Matthew does not state death as being a result. The Greek word is APAGCHO. Matthew 27:5 is it's only occurrence in the New Testament. In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus), it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : ""Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died; and he was buried in his father's tomb."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel ""hanged himself"" [Gr. Sept., APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, ""and died"". Here we have no doubt of the result. In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died. Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply means ""hang oneself"". DB... ""But Mr DeCenso, you are more than welcome to disagree and show more reputable ^^^^^^^^^ Christian scholars that insist that the hanging was not successful."" MY REPLY... [^^^above, mine] ""Reputable""? You mean ones that have never erred? As far as insisting that the hanging was unsuccessful, that can't be done, even by me. ^^^^^^^^^ As I said in an earlier post... _____________________________________________________________________ Although I still agree with Tony's exegesis as being the most probable explanation regarding Judas' death (taking into account several criteria), I've recently noticed some new things in Matthew. MAT 27:5-8 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, ""It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."" And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. First of all, notice that the text does not say that Judas died as a result of hanging. All it says is that he ""went and hanged himself."" Luke however, in Acts, tells us that ""and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out."" This is a pretty clear indication (along with the other details given in Acts - Peter's speech, the need to pick a new apostle, etc.) that at least after Judas' fall, he was dead. So the whole concept that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Matthew and Luke both recount Judas' death is highly probable, but not clear ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cut. ^^^ _____________________________________________________________________ I also wrote... _____________________________________________________________________ MY REPLY... Here we have a stickler, Dave, that I have to say I just recently noticed. Let's look at the passage in Matthew: MAT 27:4 saying, ""I have sinned by betraying innocent blood."" And they said, ""What is that to us? You see to it!"" MAT 27:5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. MAT 27:6 But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, ""It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."" MAT 27:7 And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. MAT 27:8 Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. Notice verse 5...""Then he...went and hanged himself."" Matthew does not say Judas died, does it? Should we assume he died as a result of the hanging? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What does Acts say? ACT 1:18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. ACT 1:20 ""For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.' Here we may have a graphic explanation of Judas' death....So, my line of reasoning to dispel your contradiction myth re:the ""two"" accounts of Judas' death is this...Matthew doesn't necessarily explain how Judas died; he does ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ say Judas ""hanged himself"", but he didn't specifically say Judas died in the hanging incident. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ However, Acts seems to show us his graphic demise. Therefore, there is no contradiction between Matthew and Acts re: Judas' `death'. ....... MY REPLY... ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records his death. Although it's possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be the case. Therefore, no contradiction. Matthew did not say Judas died as a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he probably did, but...? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ______________________________________________________________________ I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars' explanations, but in looking at the texts initially, we can't assume Judas died. It is, however, highly probable. ^^^^^^ DB... ""By the way, while all agree that Judas died from the hanging, the books had different ways of dealing with the contradiction we are discussing. One simply ignored it entirely and simply referred back to Matthew's version as the correct version in both Matt and Acts. ""The Biblical Knowledge Commentary"" suggested the hypotheses that Judas hung and then when he rotted, his belly exploded (which doesn't explain his headlong fall), or that his branch or rope broke, and he fell to his death and his gut gushed out (which doesn't explain how a hanging man, would fall headlong rather than feet first)."" MY REPLY... The outcome of any fall is dependent upon many factors...how high the person was suspended before the fall, any obstructions such as tree branches that may have deviated the fall, how steep an incline of rocky surfaces the victim fell upon, thus possibly rolling or bouncing of several rocks, etc. In a superficial examination of the Acts passage and the Matthew passage, we are not given a lot of info on the geographical specifics, but Tony in the above quoted post gave us some... _____________________________________________________________________ A possible reconstruction would be this: Judas hanged himself on a tree on the edge of a precipice that overlooked the valley of Hinnom. After he hung there for some time, the limb of the tree snapped or the rope gave way and Judas fell down the ledge, mangling his body in the process. The fall could have been before *or* after death as either would fit this explanation. This possibility is entirely natural when the terrain of the valley of Hinnom is examined. From the bottom of the valley, you can see rocky terraces 25 to 40 feet in height and almost perpendicular. There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that Judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down, tearing his body open. _____________________________________________________________________ DB... Now truthfully, I do not see what is comforting about Matthew confusing the source of the Potter's field prophesy, but on the other hand the author is correct: Matthew does make that confusion. Of course a Biblical inerrantist who claim that every word of the Bible is guaranteed true by God, will have to thereby add one more contradiction to the death of Judas (ie: where the prophesy of the Potter's field came from)."" MY REPLY... Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss this with you. DB... As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather than some other source. I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically mention ""the reward of iniquity"" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 ""...concerning Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.""). Now I would point out that when the Bible describes an act of ""iniquity,"" and then immediately discusses ""*the* reward of iniquity,"" it would be rather inane to suggest that it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed."" MY REPLY... Dave, we are getting somewhere, aren't we! ACT 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said, ACT 1:16 ""Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; ACT 1:17 ""for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."" ACT 1:18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. ACT 1:19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.) ACT 1:20 ""For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.' Notice that in verse 16, the word ""iniquity"" is not used. Rather, it states that Judas ""became a guide to those who arrested Jesus"". But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, ""for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."" What part did Judas play in their ministry? ^^^^^^ JOH 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. JOH 13:29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, ""Buy those things we need for the feast,"" or that he should give something to the poor. So, now we know what part Judas played - he was a treasurer, per se. Right after Peter stated that Judas played a part in this ministry (treasurer, according to John), THEN Luke adds the parenthetical explanation of ""wages of iniquity"" - money that should have been put into the ministry, but was stolen by Judas to purchase a field. I believe this is a better exegetical explanation of what the ""wages of iniquity"" are. What do you think, Dave? DB... ""Now since I have given you clear answers (and even references), perhaps you could unequivocally state what type of inerrantist you are (instead of asking me what type I think you are, as you did to Mr Joslin)."" MY REPLY... I will gladly admit that I am a Complete Inerrantist, although I do not have that big a problem with the Limited Inerrancy view. Frank -- ""If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out of a thousand."" JOB 9:3 " 3549,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 13/15 - Interest Groups & Publications Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Article-I.D.: cs.groups_733694492 Expires: 6 May 1993 20:01:32 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 354 Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Archive-name: space/groups Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:08 $ SPACE ACTIVIST/INTEREST/RESEARCH GROUPS AND SPACE PUBLICATIONS GROUPS AIA -- Aerospace Industry Association. Professional group, with primary membership of major aerospace firms. Headquartered in the DC area. Acts as the ""voice of the aerospace industry"" -- and it's opinions are usually backed up by reams of analyses and the reputations of the firms in AIA. [address needed] AIAA -- American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. Professional association, with somewhere about 30,000-40,000 members. 65 local chapters around the country -- largest chapters are DC area (3000 members), LA (2100 members), San Francisco (2000 members), Seattle/NW (1500), Houston (1200) and Orange County (1200), plus student chapters. Not a union, but acts to represent aviation and space professionals (engineers, managers, financial types) nationwide. Holds over 30 conferences a year on space and aviation topics publishes technical Journals (Aerospace Journal, Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets, etc.), technical reference books and is _THE_ source on current aerospace state of the art through their published papers and proceedings. Also offers continuing education classes on aerospace design. Has over 60 technical committees, and over 30 committees for industry standards. AIAA acts as a professional society -- offers a centralized resume/jobs function, provides classes on job search, offers low-cost health and life insurance, and lobbies for appropriate legislation (AIAA was one of the major organizations pushing for IRAs - Individual Retirement Accounts). Very active public policy arm -- works directly with the media, congress and government agencies as a legislative liaison and clearinghouse for inquiries about aerospace technology technical issues. Reasonably non-partisan, in that they represent the industry as a whole, and not a single company, organization, or viewpoint. Membership $70/yr (student memberships are less). American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics The Aerospace Center 370 L'Enfant Promenade, SW Washington, DC 20077-0820 (202)-646-7400 AMSAT - develops small satellites (since the 1960s) for a variety of uses by amateur radio enthusiasts. Has various publications, supplies QuickTrak satellite tracking software for PC/Mac/Amiga etc. Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT) P.O. Box 27 Washington, DC 20044 (301)-589-6062 ASERA - Australian Space Engineering and Research Association. An Australian non-profit organisation to coordinate, promote, and conduct space R&D projects in Australia, involving both Australian and international (primarily university) collaborators. Activities include the development of sounding rockets, small satellites (especially microsatellites), high-altitude research balloons, and appropriate payloads. Provides student projects at all levels, and is open to any person or organisation interested in participating. Publishes a monthly newsletter and a quarterly technical journal. Membership $A100 (dual subscription) Subscriptions $A25 (newsletter only) $A50 (journal only) ASERA Ltd PO Box 184 Ryde, NSW, Australia, 2112 email: lindley@syd.dit.csiro.au BIS - British Interplanetary Society. Probably the oldest pro-space group, BIS publishes two excellent journals: _Spaceflight_, covering current space activities, and the _Journal of the BIS_, containing technical papers on space activities from near-term space probes to interstellar missions. BIS has published a design study for an interstellar probe called _Daedalus_. British Interplanetary Society 27/29 South Lambeth Road London SW8 1SZ ENGLAND No dues information available at present. ISU - International Space University. ISU is a non-profit international graduate-level educational institution dedicated to promoting the peaceful exploration and development of space through multi-cultural and multi-disciplinary space education and research. For further information on ISU's summer session program or Permanent Campus activities please send messages to 'information@isu.isunet.edu' or contact the ISU Executive Offices at: International Space University 955 Massachusetts Avenue 7th Floor Cambridge, MA 02139 (617)-354-1987 (phone) (617)-354-7666 (fax) L-5 Society (defunct). Founded by Keith and Carolyn Henson in 1975 to advocate space colonization. Its major success was in preventing US participation in the UN ""Moon Treaty"" in the late 1970s. Merged with the National Space Institute in 1987, forming the National Space Society. NSC - National Space Club. Open for general membership, but not well known at all. Primarily comprised of professionals in aerospace industry. Acts as information conduit and social gathering group. Active in DC, with a chapter in LA. Monthly meetings with invited speakers who are ""heavy hitters"" in the field. Annual ""Outlook on Space"" conference is _the_ definitive source of data on government annual planning for space programs. Cheap membership (approx $20/yr). [address needed] NSS - the National Space Society. NSS is a pro-space group distinguished by its network of local chapters. Supports a general agenda of space development and man-in-space, including the NASA space station. Publishes _Ad Astra_, a monthly glossy magazine, and runs Shuttle launch tours and Space Hotline telephone services. A major sponsor of the annual space development conference. Associated with Spacecause and Spacepac, political lobbying organizations. Membership $18 (youth/senior) $35 (regular). National Space Society Membership Department 922 Pennsylvania Avenue, S.E. Washington, DC 20003-2140 (202)-543-1900 Planetary Society - founded by Carl Sagan. The largest space advocacy group. Publishes _Planetary Report_, a monthly glossy, and has supported SETI hardware development financially. Agenda is primarily support of space science, recently amended to include an international manned mission to Mars. The Planetary Society 65 North Catalina Avenue Pasadena, CA 91106 Membership $35/year. SSI - the Space Studies Institute, founded by Dr. Gerard O'Neill. Physicist Freeman Dyson took over the Presidency of SSI after O'Neill's death in 1992. Publishes _SSI Update_, a bimonthly newsletter describing work-in-progress. Conducts a research program including mass-drivers, lunar mining processes and simulants, composites from lunar materials, solar power satellites. Runs the biennial Princeton Conference on Space Manufacturing. Membership $25/year. Senior Associates ($100/year and up) fund most SSI research. Space Studies Institute 258 Rosedale Road PO Box 82 Princeton, NJ 08540 SEDS - Students for the Exploration and Development of Space. Founded in 1980 at MIT and Princeton. SEDS is a chapter-based pro-space organization at high schools and universities around the world. Entirely student run. Each chapter is independent and coordinates its own local activities. Nationally, SEDS runs a scholarship competition, design contests, and holds an annual international conference and meeting in late summer. Students for the Exploration and Development of Space MIT Room W20-445 77 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 (617)-253-8897 email: odyssey@athena.mit.edu Dues determined by local chapter. SPACECAUSE - A political lobbying organization and part of the NSS Family of Organizations. Publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, Spacecause News. Annual dues is $25. Members also receive a discount on _The Space Activist's Handbook_. Activities to support pro-space legislation include meeting with political leaders and interacting with legislative staff. Spacecause primarily operates in the legislative process. National Office West Coast Office Spacecause Spacecause 922 Pennsylvania Ave. SE 3435 Ocean Park Blvd. Washington, D.C. 20003 Suite 201-S (202)-543-1900 Santa Monica, CA 90405 SPACEPAC - A political action committee and part of the NSS Family of Organizations. Spacepac researches issues, policies, and candidates. Each year, updates _The Space Activist's Handbook_. Current Handbook price is $25. While Spacepac does not have a membership, it does have regional contacts to coordinate local activity. Spacepac primarily operates in the election process, contributing money and volunteers to pro-space candidates. Spacepac 922 Pennsylvania Ave. SE Washington, DC 20003 (202)-543-1900 UNITED STATES SPACE FOUNDATION - a public, non-profit organization supported by member donations and dedicated to promoting international education, understanding and support of space. The group hosts an annual conference for teachers and others interested in education. Other projects include developing lesson plans that use space to teach other basic skills such as reading. Publishes ""Spacewatch,"" a monthly B&W glossy magazine of USSF events and general space news. Annual dues: Charter $50 ($100 first year) Individual $35 Teacher $29 College student $20 HS/Jr. High $10 Elementary $5 Founder & $1000+ Life Member United States Space Foundation PO Box 1838 Colorado Springs, CO 80901 (719)-550-1000 WORLD SPACE FOUNDATION - has been designing and building a solar-sail spacecraft for longer than any similar group; many JPL employees lend their talents to this project. WSF also provides partial funding for the Palomar Sky Survey, an extremely successful search for near-Earth asteroids. Publishes *Foundation News* and *Foundation Astronautics Notebook*, each a quarterly 4-8 page newsletter. Contributing Associate, minimum of $15/year (but more money always welcome to support projects). World Space Foundation Post Office Box Y South Pasadena, California 91301 PUBLICATIONS Aerospace Daily (McGraw-Hill) Very good coverage of aerospace and space issues. Approx. $1400/yr. Air & Space / Smithsonian (bimonthly magazine) Box 53261 Boulder, CO 80332-3261 $18/year US, $24/year international ESA - The European Space Agency publishes a variety of periodicals, generally available free of charge. A document describing them in more detail is in the Ames SPACE archive in pub/SPACE/FAQ/ESAPublications. Final Frontier (mass-market bimonthly magazine) - history, book reviews, general-interest articles (e.g. ""The 7 Wonders of the Solar System"", ""Everything you always wanted to know about military space programs"", etc.) Final Frontier Publishing Co. PO Box 534 Mt. Morris, IL 61054-7852 $14.95/year US, $19.95 Canada, $23.95 elsewhere Space News (weekly magazine) - covers US civil and military space programs. Said to have good political and business but spotty technical coverage. Space News Springfield VA 22159-0500 (703)-642-7330 $75/year, may have discounts for NSS/SSI members Journal of the Astronautical Sciences and Space Times - publications of the American Astronautical Society. No details. AAS Business Office 6352 Rolling Mill Place, Suite #102 Springfield, VA 22152 (703)-866-0020 GPS World (semi-monthly) - reports on current and new uses of GPS, news and analysis of the system and policies affecting it, and technical and product issues shaping GPS applications. GPS World 859 Willamette St. P.O. Box 10460 Eugene, OR 97440-2460 (503)-343-1200 Free to qualified individuals; write for free sample copy. Innovation (Space Technology) -- Free. Published by the NASA Office of Advanced Concepts and Technology. A revised version of the NASA Office of Commercial Programs newsletter. Planetary Encounter - in-depth technical coverage of planetary missions, with diagrams, lists of experiments, interviews with people directly involved. World Spaceflight News - in-depth technical coverage of near-Earth spaceflight. Mostly covers the shuttle: payload manifests, activity schedules, and post-mission assessment reports for every mission. Box 98 Sewell, NJ 08080 $30/year US/Canada $45/year elsewhere Space (bi-monthly magazine) British aerospace trade journal. Very good. $75/year. Space Calendar (weekly newsletter) Space Daily/Space Fax Daily (newsletter) Short (1 paragraph) news notes. Available online for a fee (unknown). Space Technology Investor/Commercial Space News -- irregular Internet column on aspects of commercial space business. Free. Also limited fax and paper edition. P.O. Box 2452 Seal Beach, CA 90740-1452. All the following are published by: Phillips Business Information, Inc. 7811 Montrose Road Potomac, MC 20854 Aerospace Financial News - $595/year. Defense Daily - Very good coverage of space and defense issues. $1395/year. Space Business News (bi-weekly) - Very good overview of space business activities. $497/year. Space Exploration Technology (bi-weekly) - $495/year. Space Station News (bi-weekly) - $497/year. UNDOCUMENTED GROUPS Anyone who would care to write up descriptions of the following groups (or others not mentioned) for inclusion in the answer is encouraged to do so. AAS - American Astronautical Society Other groups not mentioned above NEXT: FAQ #14/15 - How to become an astronaut " 3550,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: >That the gas was ""not harmful"", as the sensitive, caring Janet Reno described >it? Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations, is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather hypocritical. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 3551,8,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: >>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should >>be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about >>the transmission and taking my chances. > > There should be no worries about the trans. > >>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull >>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, >>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). > > Does this count? Yes. He thought about it. > >$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press > return...) > >Later, >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike >Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name >agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 3552,7,"From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 50 Distribution: world Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com In article 5276@unisql.UUCP, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >In article marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes: >>I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for >>speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey >>margin. > > They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the >exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge >Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. > > > > Ah yes, the 58 Powerwagon. Now there was a vehicle that today's cars can't touch in terms of high speed road holding ability! :-) " 3553,3,"From: creek-tm@aza.csc.ncsu.edu (Tobin M Creek) Subject: Re: umbdr522.zip : Any later version ? Keywords: umbdrv mem Organization: NCSU Lines: 27 fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr (FOMBARON marc) writes: >Is there a more recent version of umbdr522.zip because it doesn't >work on my machine. >My motherboard has Symphony SL82C362 chips and they say it will be >supported in the later versions, so is it out ? >Thank you for helping. >Marc. The last I heard, the author was having some problems in his immediate family and had delayed the continuation of development for a time. This was some months ago. It's a shame. The driver is the best memory manager I have found ANYWHERE. It doesn't require V8086 mode (like QEMM) so it works with Ultima 7. It doesn't take ANY memory (runs, then exits). If only the EMM provider were a little faster and more stable. -- tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu \ These views respresent no one. / Now you creek-tm@aza.csc.ncsu.edu \ Even I won't claim them. / are here ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include ""std_funny_stuff.h"" /* This is where I include some witty tripe */ " 3554,9,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Re: Bring on the O's Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 39 Distribution: world Expires: 5/9/95 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Root, root, root for the Orioles... I heard that Eli is selling the team to a group in Cinninati. This would help so that the O's could make some real free agent signings in the offseason. Training Camp reports that everything is pretty positive right now. The backup catcher postion will be a showdown between Tackett and Parent although I would prefer Parent. #1 Draft Pick Jeff Hammonds may be coming up faster in the O's hierarchy of the minors faster than expected. Mike Flanagan is trying for another comeback. Big Ben is being defended by coaches saying that while the homers given up were an awful lot, most came in the beginning of the season and he really improved the second half. This may be Ben's year. I feel that while this may not be Mussina's Cy Young year, he will be able to pitch the entire season without periods of fatigue like last year around August. I really hope Baines can provide the RF support the O's need. Orsulak was decent but I had hoped that Chito Martinez could learn defense better and play like he did in '91. The O's right now don't have many left-handed hitters. Anderson proving last year was no fluke and Cal's return to his averages would be big plusses in a drive for the pennant. The rotation should be Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, ?????. Olson is an interesting case. Will he strike out the side or load the bases and then get three pop outs? You never know. The way I see the AL East this year (with personal biases mixed in) Baltimore New York Toronto Milwaukee Cleveland Boston Detroit (The top 4 are the only true contenders in my mind. One of these 4 will definitely win the division unless it snows in Hell/Maryland :). I feel that this Baltimore's season to finally put everything together.) __________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | |and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | |****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 3555,8,"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) wrote: > > egreen@east.sun.com writes: > >tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: > [...] > >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we > >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or > >>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? > [...] > >The answer is 161.33 feet. > [...] > > Try something like 24.2 feet. > > EdGetACalculator Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec. tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 " 3556,15,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Questioning Authority Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Lines: 36 Chris Mussack writes: > For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? How about: The Holocaust The Spanish Inquisition Jonestown (just to name a few) ? Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who ""just follow orders"" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, and protest their innocence afterwards. When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask questions. Except for situations of pressing need (""I said shut the hatch because the submarine is filling with water!""), any reasonable authority should be able to give at least some justification that you can understand. Just be sure to listen when authority answers. (If anybody is interested in questions of psychological pressure and following orders, you might want to read about a study done by Solomon Ashe in 1951 on conformity, and another done by Stanley Milgram in 1963 on obedience. Both should be in any good book on psychology/sociology. The results are both fascinating and terrifying.) Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ""we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do"" -- Peter Gabriel " 3557,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Pixmaps, Masks, & Icons - Clues? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 40 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <44975@sophia.inria.fr>, lehors@koala.inria.fr (Arnaud Le_Hors) writes: |> In article , buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) |> writes: |> > This is a simple X graphics question: |> > |> > Assume you have a valid Window w, an icon pixmap, and the background |> > mask (also a pixmap) for that icon. You wish to place the icon at (x,y) |> > in w *without* the background. |> > |> > Question: What combination of XCopyArea() and GC functions are necessary? |> > I think the idea is to ""merge only those pixels of pixmap into w as |> > indicated by the corresponding mask pixel value."" Specifically, the |> > problem involves a pixmap and mask generated by the XPM libs. |> > |> > Any clues would be most appreciated. |> |> |> Xpm provides you with symbolic color names which can be specified at load time. |> So, for doing what you want I would suggest you to define a Background symbol |> in your pixmap file which you'll set to whatever color is used by the widget or |> the window on which you want to put your pixmap. |> This would surely be the simplest and fastest way to do what you want. No. As soon as you blit two of this icons once on top of the other with a little dislocation, you see the rectangular blit crashes too much of the icon first blitted, because it draws a full rectangle. The way to do it is masking: Create a bitmap with all pixels to be merged are 1 and all not to be merged are 0. Then, set the clip_mask of the gc to this bitmap, set the clip_x_origin and clip_y_origin of the gc to the x/y coordinates where you blit the icon to the destination drawable, use GXCopy, and XCopyArea() the icon pixmap to the destination drawable using this gc. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 3558,1,"From: lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Lee Van Dyke) Subject: Wanted: map of the world type gifs Nntp-Posting-Host: balboa.eng.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 11 Hi, can anyone direct me to map type gifs? I am interesting in cartography and would find these gifs useful. tia, -- Lee Van Dyke lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu, UUCP: infotec!Infotec.COM!lee@sunkist.West.Sun.COM " 3559,5,"From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) Subject: compiling clients on a Sun IPX Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C. Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu Originator: ndd@bal1 I'm trying to set up an IPX for another group. I copied all the X stuff that I compiled on my 4/280 (which runs SunOS 4.1.1) using gcc 2.1, and most things run just fine. however, I did find a couple of bugs, and when I try to recompile those clients on the IPX (which runs 4.1.3), I get ld: Undefined symbol _XShapeQueryExtension _XShapeCombineMask I know that I can include libXext and get rid of those messages, but I can't figure out why I get them on the IPX and not on the 4/280. any ideas? -- Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu) Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center Durham, NC 27710 (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100 " 3560,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Life and Fall of Wlodowa: Do Not Forget Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr05.120108.6578@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes: > REMEMBER AND DO NOT FORGET > Sisha Fuchs Never. I don't know whether anybody formulated and proposed such an index or criteria to determine the magnitude of a genocide as mentioned and advised by Toynbee. If one ever does you will easily see the magnitude of the crime of genocide committed by the Armenians, by massacring an alien population under their rule which constituted about 40% of their total population and they did it only within a time period of a little over two years in which they enjoyed having full control over this population. Now I would like to ask you: Is there any other genocide in the history of mankind similar to this one? And again I would like to ask you: Whether the silent and unmourned martyrdom of these hundreds of thousands of Turks of the Republic of Armenia who were exterminated as a ""Final Solution"" to Turco-Tartar problems in Armenia is similar or not to the martyrdom of six million Jews in Europe as a final solution to Jewish problems? Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3561,10,"From: downec@crockett1a.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey) Subject: Re: This Year's vs. Next Year's Playoffs Nntp-Posting-Host: crockett1a.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 29 Let's fill in some winners here: |> |> Well, since someone probably wanted to know, here's this year's playoff |> matchups on the left, and what the matchups would be next year under the |> new alignment and playoff-matchup rules. The same 16 teams make the playoffs |> under next year's rules, and three of the first round matchups are the same |> (QUE-MTL, CHI-STL, VAN-WIN). |> |> PIT --+ +-- CHI | PIT --+ +-- CHI |> +PIT+ +CHI+ | +---+ +---+ |> NJ --+ | | +-- STL | BUF --+ | | +-- STL |> +NYI+ +DET+ | +---+ +---+ |> WAS --+ | | | | +-- DET | QUE --+ | | | | +-- TOR |> +NYI+ | | +DET+ | +---+ | | +---+ |> NYI --+ | *BOS*| +-- TOR | MTL --+ | | +-- CAL |> +------+ | +------+ |> BOS --+ | DET | +-- VAN | WAS --+ | | +-- VAN |> +BOS+ | | +VAN+ | +---+ | | +---+ |> BUF --+ | | | | +-- WIN | NJ --+ | | | | +-- WIN |> +BOS+ +VAN+ | +---+ +---+ |> QUE --+ | | +-- CAL | BOS --+ | | +-- DET |> +QUE+ +CAL+ | +---+ +---+ |> MTL --+ +-- LA | NYI --+ +-- LA |> Just my thoughts, Chris downec@rpi.edu " 3562,8,"From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem Lines: 19 Oh boy, a little K-bike versus /2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for the both of you! I do hope that the ""dump dempster"" campaign works however. I think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long for anything to be done (though obviously, it ain't over yet) On the other hand, I'm not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running. Throwing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in to the club. You wouldn't get anything, but you don't get anything now. The magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has lacked any sort of panache it may have had. Ah, but what would I know? I own a /6 AND a K-bike static MOA 20297 " 3563,11,"From: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 55 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu Originator: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu The following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert my comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom: > White House Announcement on Screw Thread Standards > -------------------------------------------------- > > This is to announce that the American National Standards >Institute (or whatever it is) has been given the authority to define >standard dimensions for screw threads. Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought, tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously* define for us. > The purpose of this is to permit industry to draw upon a standard >pool of specifications and designations, to ensure interoperability of >various threaded objects across vendors. Rubbish, I say! ANSI standard screw threads will have subtle weaknesses, allowing their agents to disassemble our automobiles more easily, causing our mufflers to fall off at inoppurtune moments. > Questions and Answers on the ANSI screw thread standards > -------------------------------------------------------- > >Q: Will the screw threads defined by ANSI be as good as other screw thread >designs available elsewhere? > >A: Yes. Hah! ""trust us"" >Q: Will I be able to use my own screw threads if I desire? > >A: Of course, but this will make your threaded objects unlikely to >interoperate correctly with others within the industry. See??! See? This is the first step. It is clear we must band together, write your congressman! Use Pretty Good Screw Threads, not this devil-inspired ANSI trash. Protect your constitutional right to use whatever screw thread you desire. Guerilla Screw Thread Activism must become the order of the day. Boycott GM, and build your own car, using screws from STZ Screw Thread Associates. Screw you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ amolitor@nmsu.edu | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or Screw Threads | see the screw thread servers. must be freed! | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 3564,14,"From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: Guns for Space Keywords: Sopa Gun, Space Launcer Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 22 In reference to the limits of acceleration with guns launching solid rockets as payloads. Thiokol provided me with samples and data on a reinforcement to solid motor grains for high accelerations. Solid motor propellants usually have a substantial percentage of aluminum in the mix. For example, the Space Shuttle SRBs are 16 percent Aluminum. The technique is to use a 'foamed aluminum' structure. The structure looks like the inverse of a set of bubbles (an I suspect some bubbling process is used to form it). In other words, if you made a bunch of bubbles in molten aluminum, then froze it, this is what you get. It forms a strong network of effectively aluminum wires in all directions. The remaining solid fuel mix is infiltrated into the voids, and you get aluminum-reinforced solid propellant. The foamed-aluminum makes up about 6 percent of the total propellant, so there is still aluminum particles in the bulk grain. The major improvement is the higher resistance to grain cracking, which is the principal failure mode for solid propellant. Dani Eder -- Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. " 3565,8,"From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) Subject: Flashing anyone? Keywords: flashing Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Hello all, On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll. I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and usually go to another booth. My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? Any others tend to do the same? Just curious o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> Rob Castro | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today 1983 KZ550LTD | phone - (212) 854-7617 | For today you live! DoD# NYC-1 | New York, New York, USA | RC (tm) " 3566,7,From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: (w)rec.autos Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 3 There is just something disconcerting about the name of this group. :) 3567,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 57 In article , oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> >|> |> >|>..[cancellum]... |> >|> |> > |> > henrik] Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; henrik] ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW henrik] that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with henrik] their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion henrik] of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. Onur Yalcin] It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as Onur Yalcin] they appear in their signatures (I failed to do so since you did Onur Yalcin] not bother to sign your posting). Not only because it is the Onur Yalcin] polite thing to do, but also to avoid addressing ladies with Onur Yalcin] ""Mr."", as you have done. Fine. Please, accept my opology ! Onur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled Onur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to Onur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that ^^^^^^^^^^^ Onur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the Onur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's Onur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements. bi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ? Onur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in Onur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only Onur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now pursuing. Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and review the HISTORY. The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their teritory. Onur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to Onur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such Onur Yalcin] terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... I was not the one that STATED IT. However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. " 3568,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Superstars and attendance (was Teemu Selanne, was +/- leaders) Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 62 In <1993Apr5.182124.17415@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >Dean J. Falcione (posting from jrmst+8@pitt.edu) writes: >>But I think the reason is Lemieux >>had a 168 point season and was the first non-Gretzky to win the Hart and >>Ross since 1980. People turned out to watch him play. >I will grant that a star like Mario will draw fans, even if the team sucks. >But this is short term only; I still do not think the attendance increase >will last, unless the team is a winning/competitive/improving/butt-kicking >one. Pittsburgh was still getting better, so people continued to support >them. If they suddenly dropped to, say, 50 points, you'd have knee surgery >for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon. I disagree. McNall has demonstrated with Gretzky that a star brings out the crowds whether or not the team is expected to do well. Very few fans real- istically expect the Kings to do well this year (although I do) and yet they still go out to see Gretzky. This is the marketing strategy - selling the game by selling the stars - that is employed by Baseball and, notably, the NBA and this is the attitude that the new Bettman/McNall leadership is bringing to the league. They have gone on record as stating that they are trying to sell the game on its stars. Timo Salami and Brett Hull are perfect examples of players that real fans know aren't worth a damn and yet, being benificiaries of marketing-oriented coaching strategies, have goal totals that would indicate to the casual observer, the very fans the NHL wants to attract, that these players are indeed superstars. >>They made the transaction to try and build a winner around Mario, that is >>true. But the improvement in attendance came before they started doing >>this (Coffey late in 1987) and before they even had a playoff bound team. >>A doubling of attendance occured in 1984-85 from the previous year. An >>increase from 38 points to 53 points is not going to do that. The arrival >>of Mario Lemieux is what did it. >It might help to think about what would go through a fan's mind who suddenly >found an interest in Mario and the Pens. Was it ""gee, Mario Lemieux is >amazing, I'll go watch him play"", or was it ""gee, now we've got a *kick* >*ass* guy on *our* side, I'll go watch him play"". I think it was the latter. It ain't nearly so simple as this. The casual fan doesn't think about much at all. Can you actually find an adult with a 3 digit IQ who believes that McDonalds makes good hamburgers? >I did provide the example of Rocket Ismail and the Toronto Argonauts of the >CFL...did you leave it out because you don't know much about the CFL? If >that's the case then fair enough, but if it isn't the case then I'm curious >to hear your explanation. Yes but apparently the Rocket has not lived up to his marketing responsi- bilities has he? He was hyped, initially, as a superstar, but outside of one Grey Cup game he has done very little to maintain/enhance that assess- ment of his talents. Most Argo fans probably feel the team would be better off without him. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 3569,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: :jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: :> Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect :> them. Resistance is useless. : :Don't tell me -- you're the ""Borg Warner,"" right? HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hee, hee. This was absolutely fabulous. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Wonderful! Mr. Tavares, my hat is off to you again! Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 3570,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: na Lines: 38 In article <1576@heimdall.sdrc.com> crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) writes: > Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun- > shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters? No, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings. I've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists that he has, so I'd love to have a cite. >If you fall, for example, > and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow, the gun will discharge. Wrong. There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber. (Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under the hammer. In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe manner.) Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their trigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin. > The number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of > deaths caused by animal attacks or ""wacko"" attacks combined. The breakdowns that I do have include the above category. From them I can safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large negative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the number of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the described circumstance) is near zero. >I can find the figures if you don't believe me. Please do. Include a cite for those of us who like looking at context. Make sure that your source excludes other types of accidents and suicides that are misreported. (""Gun cleaning accident"" is police-speak for ""the family needs the insurance money."") -andy -- " 3571,11,"From: ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Article-I.D.: cs.C5Jp0K.4p5 Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 35 In article so@eiffel.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So) writes: >In article <897@pivot.sbi.com> bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) writes: >>This came up because I decided to configure up MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 security >>for X11R5. For this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder >>can't guess in a file (readable only by you) which X client applications >>read. They pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a >>connection. >> >>... >>What I settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network. >>Basically, I ran >> >> etherfind -u -x greater 0|compress >> >>and skipped over 10K of output, then grabbed my bits. As best I can tell, >>these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed, >>and quite unguessable by an intruder. > >For your application, what you can do is to encrypt the real-time clock >value with a secret key. For a good discussion of cryptographically ""good"" random number generators, check out the draft-ietf-security-randomness-00.txt Internet Draft, available at your local friendly internet drafts repository. A reasonably source of randomness is the output of a cryptographic hash function (e.g., MD5), when fed with a large amount of more-or-less random data. For example, running MD5 on /dev/mem is a slow, but random enough, source of random bits; there are bound to be 128 bits of entropy in the tens (or hundreds) of megabytes of data in a modern workstation's memory, as a fair amount of them are system timers, i/o buffers, etc. /ji " 3572,7,"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 22 Distribution: na Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1qkkl5INNbvo@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel): > For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS, > sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It > was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local > dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R. I went straight to the fleet manager > at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I > knew what his price should be. He called me back with exactly what I > wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day. --When I was selling Nissans last summer, I sold a '92 SE-R in early August when its supply was getting quite scarce. The car was black with ABS, Value Option Pkg, and power moonroof. I sold it for $12,900 plus tax. Naturally, my manager didn't really care to sell one of the most desirable SE-R's for virtually no profit (to the best of my knowledge)..... --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. " 3573,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 21 In article , dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) wrote: > I will repeat my position here. Worshipping on Sunday has never been a > sin. As a child I attended services on Saturday and Sunday--at the SDA > church and at the Pentecostal church across the street. I might even go to a > Baptist church next week. I worship God every day, and every Christian > should. Even if we can prove that Christians should meet on Sunday (and > we can't) we can never prove that violation of the Sabbath is not a sin > any longer. Nor can we prove that violation of Sunday is a sin. We > cannot use the Sabbath commandment for that purpose. My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 3574,9,"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: Sid Fernandez? Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.145914.1575@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller) writes: >I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness >in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the >injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got >his joints a little stiff? > >Thanks for the help... All they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder after throwing a curveball that didn't loosen. Because of the cold night in Denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than let him pitch. He is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation (expected to be April 20, at Shea vs the Giants). -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com < Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card In-Reply-To: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)'s message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 08:52:42 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com> Lines: 51 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas in 1991 that was caused by guns..... This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! (Yes, there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but they're still *pretty* high right??) I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... *I* should not suffer because of others.... We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the ''). Do you have an insurance?? Then you'll have to pay because of what others do... Do you buy anything?? YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus... Do you live with other people?? Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD) -What the hell is he trying to say ?? When you live in a society (USA are stilll counted as one...) you have to saccrifice. The question is HOW MUCH. One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on other people. It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only problem is that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you hope to cure him first. Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh. This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no " 3576,16,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 In article mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes: >In article <16BB5124A0.PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (David Veal) writes: >> Be cute if Koresh hit the trail. >> >> Maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven. Wouldn't that just >>make AG Reno's day? > >*snort* I sorta doubt it... > >However... No bodies? By the time this message gets out >they'll doubtless have found bunches, but wouldn't it be >interesting if they had a tunnel and are long gone? If they hadn't killed the ATF people in the original raid, I think I would laugh my ass off. (Actually, to be honest, I still might.) Ryan " 3577,12,"From: levy@levy.fnal.gov (Mark E. Levy, ext. 8056) Subject: Sources for Intel D87C51FB? Nntp-Posting-Host: levy.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 18 I am in the midst of designing a project which requires two motors and an LED illuminator driven with Pulse-width modulation. I'm using the 8751, and I understand that the -FB version has a programmable counter array that can essentially be set and forgotten to do the PWM. The problems is, that variant is difficult to come by. I need two or three of the D prefix (ceramic window) version for development, and then lots of the P prefix (plastic OTP) for later production. I've tried Avnet, Arrow, and Pioneer. They (might) have them, but I'm looking for samples at this point, and they're not too willing to provide them. I would buy them, but these vendors have $100.00 minimums. Any help is appreciated. ================================================================================ [ Mark E. Levy, Fermilab | ] [ BitNet: LEVY@FNAL | Unix is to computing ] [ Internet: LEVY@FNALD.FNAL.GOV | as an Etch-a-Sketch is to art. ] [ HEPnet/SPAN: FNALD::LEVY (VMS!) | ] ================================================================================ " 3578,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Welcome to to the new reader Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:00:05 GMT Lines: 269 Archive-name: rec-autos/part1 [most recent changes, 15 March 1993: addition of alt.autos.karting -- rpw] === Welcome to Rec.Autos.* === This article is sent out automatically each month, and contains a general description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups, and some suggested guidelines for discussions. The keywords `Monthly Posting' will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of newsreaders with kill facilities. This article is posted to all autos groups, but followups are directed only to rec.autos. If you don't understand what this means, ask your system administrator for help, or at least for copies of the newuser documentation. Failing that, please subscribe to the newsgroup news.announce.newusers and read the documentation provided there. Introduction to the Rec.Autos newsgroup hierarchy: rec.autos.tech is intended for technical discussions of automobiles, their design, construction, diagnosis, and service. Other discussions are largely inappropriate, especially For Sale ads. rec.autos.sport is intended for discussion of legal, organized competition involving automobiles. Technical discussions are appropriate insofar as they apply to competition vehicles. Discussion from either of two viewpoints, spectator and participant, is encouraged. Arguments about sports cars are largely inappropriate, as are most other discussions. For Sale ads are inappropriate unless they are for competition vehicles and/or equipment. Discussions of illegal events are marginal; one should probably avoid advocating breaking the law. (remember, the FBI reads Usenet!) rec.autos.driving is intended for discussions related to the driving of automobiles. Also, if you must discuss 55 vs. 65, or radar detectors, or boneheads, do it here. rec.autos.vw is intended for discussion of issues related to the use and ownership of automobiles manufactured by Volkswagen (this includes VWs, Audis, Seats, etc.) It was created on the grounds that the info-vw mailing list was very successful. 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Within North America, the values na (north america), can (canada), and usa may be used. in addition, the two-letter state abbreviations of the US are supported in some cases; e.g. if i wanted to send an article only to New York and New Jersey, i could put ""ny,nj"" in a Distribution field. note that multiple, comma-separated values are legal. these distribution fields vary widely, however, so you should check with your local sysadmin to find out what is likely to be supported in your area. The Dangers of Overgeneralization: To amplify a warning from the distribution section of this article: Be wary of making foolish assumptions about all cars, tires, etc. What is true for a 1973 Buick with a 455cid engine may be quite utterly wrong for a 1976 Honda with a 1200cc engine. Headlight laws in Sweden are decidedly different from those in Idaho. The Need for Adequate Specification: When you ask a question, please give a reasonable amount of information; e.g., if you have a question about your Honda, please specify year, model, engine size, etc. Otherwise, most answers to your question may be quite useless. Concerning Lemons: At one time or another, every auto manufacturer has manufactured a lemon or two; even Honda admits to this. Please don't waste everyone's time by announcing to the world that your `brand x' automobile is terrible, so all `brand x' automobiles are terrible, so no one should ever buy a car from the `brand x' company. Such articles are worse than useless, because they cause substantial wasted bandwidth while carrying little or no useful information. Concerning Flames: As much as we might wish it, a flame-free newsgroup is something that most likely will never occur. Here are some guidelines for flames and how to deal with them (a list of flame-prone topics follows in the next section of this posting): If you post something truly obnoxious and inflammatory, don't imagine for a minute that including the words `No Flames' will work. It won't, and you'll get exactly what you deserve. If you're going to flame, you're more likely to get away with it if you can cite a fact or maybe a well-known reference. No one is likely to believe bald, unsupported assertions. Be careful about who you choose to insult. Consider not insulting anyone. Asking the Question: It is a bad idea to post a question and end it with a phrase like `Please send email, I don't read this group'. It is a much better idea to end the question with `Please send email, if there is sufficient interest I'll summarize the results in a later posting. I may miss posted responses to this request'. Answering the Question: If someone wants to hop up their Yugo, don't tell them to get a Mustang. Either be silent, or give them useful advice. If someone wants advice on defending a speeding ticket, don't tell them to obey the law next time -- it's offensive, presumes guilt which is not proven, and doesn't directly address the original question. In general, don't post in order to see your words in print, and don't post in order to enjoy feeling smug and self-righteous. Stale and/or Inflammatory Topics: Certain topics are considered stale by `old timers'; while discussion of them is certainly ok, and new, factual information is welcome, ravings about them are extremely tiresome, and may get the person who posts them ignored altogether. Some topics are naturally inflammatory; it is difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them. Some of these topics include the following: 1) the 55mph speed limit in the US: Pro and Con 2) discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of radar detectors. 3) discussions over which radar detector is best. 4) discussions over what is a sports car (this is one reason why rec.autos.sport is not a `sports car' group -- everyone would argue about what constitutes a `sports car'.) 5) disputes over whether or not US Federal law protects the driver's right to own and operate a radar detector 6) `Buy American' discussions 7) `clever' bumper stickers and personalized license plates 8) cars are terrible 9) What kind of car did Maxwell Smart drive? [when I have a complete, accurate answer it will be added to the commonly-asked questions article which is also posted monthly. Until then, please don't waste bandwidth on this topic. -- rpw] Please direct comments and suggestions about this article to: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 3579,7,"From: nsx@carson.u.washington.edu (|ns-x|) Subject: Re: 300ZX or SC300??? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu >ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes: >>I'm getting a car in the near future. I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. >>Which might be a better choice? >>Thanks for your opnion, >>Danny >I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when >you find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me.. >The way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both. >cheers :) >Issa my suggestion is: why not work twice as hard (like issa suggested above) then get acura nsx?! :) enjoy. /seb " 3580,10,"From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen) Subject: Re: Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion? Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 20 Distribution: inet <1993Apr15.095653.17514@abo.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi In-reply-to: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:56:53 GMT In article <1993Apr15.095653.17514@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: >In franti@polaris.utu.fi writes: >Not too low perhaps, but surely not as high as that of an European NHL >division. The Finnish team, for example, would contain all players currently on >the national team plus a top-class foreigner or two. They would be in an >entirely different league than TPS or Jokerit, both of whom have perhaps a >dozen players of international class - if even that. Why settle for a minor >league when you could have the best? How many players of international class an average NHL team has. 6-10? Top players just play more in smaller rinks. Is the quality of European hockey really poor, then recent years only few north-american (usually good farm players) players have got place in Finnish league or Elitserien, while most have been shipped back. Petteri Kortelainen " 3581,14,"From: zellner@stsci.edu Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Lines: 19 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Distribution: world,na In article <1rd1g0$ckb@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > > > SOmebody mentioned a re-boost of HST during this mission, meaning > that Weight is a very tight margin on this mission. > I haven't heard any hint of a re-boost, or that any is needed. > > why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled > thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be > cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. Nasty, dirty combustion products! People have gone to monumental efforts to keep HST clean. We certainly aren't going to bolt any thrusters to it. Ben " 3582,7,"Subject: After-Market Cruise Controls: Specific Questions From: MikeW@Canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda) Organization: BYU Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.187.203.40 Lines: 82 Howdy, I'm a little new to this newsgroup, but I would like to tap some of the knowledge and expertise available here. The Subject: After-market cruise controls The Background: I recently broke my ankle in a road-bicycling accident (4 places, five screws, yuk! :-( ). In two weeks I will be returning to Texas (my home) from my school (BYU) in Provo, Utah. As you can imagine, trying to drive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isn't just the epitome of a good time. My car does not have a cruise control, so I would have to do all the pedalling (ha ha) with my messed-up ankle. My question: What is the general opinion of after-market cruise control units? I realize that a cheap CC (cruise control) from, say, Pep Boys, isn't going to be as good as a factory or professionally installed unit (if there is such a thing). And I uderstand that I probably can't expect much in the way of accuracy, looks and that sort of thing; But anything's gotta be better than trying to drive with a hosed ankle. I have a 1984 Jeep Cherokee, 4 speed, standard, 4*4, 2.5L engine with kettering(sp?) ignition (y'know, distributor cap, rotor, that set-up--not electronic. Maybe you could've guessed it being an '84, but I'm just trying to give information as completly as I can). I found a CC unit for 80 bucks. It seems to use the vehicles vacuum system instead of an electric servor/motor. Is this good or bad? If I did buy this CC, which vacuum hose should I tap? It has two speed sensors: One magnetic, and one that gets a signal from the negative side of the distributor, kinda like a tach pick-up, or so I understand. I can use either one. Which is best? The manual says (I read it in the store today) that the magnetic/axle set-up is more accurate, but harder to install. Is there really a big difference? It has a sensor for the brake pedal, just like other CCs, but does NOT have a sensor for the clutch pedal. So if I wasn't paying real close attention I might push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up. Which would wind the engine up kinda high until I got my wits about me and turned the thing off. I'm pretty coordinated, so this doesn't bother me, if it were for my girlfriends car, *then* it would bother me, but I'm ok with it. The installation also calls for an attachment to a steady-on brake signal and a switched-on brake signal. I think I can get a switched brake signal from the correct side of the brake light blade fuse. Am I right? But I'm not sure where to get the steady-on brake signal, or, for that matter, what exactly it is? Any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get it? I think I can figure the other things out. Like how to hook-up the negative side tach-type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit, and the ground and all that miscellaneous business. But I need a little help with: 1. Is it worth the money and safety risk (if any) for such a device? 2. Is there any particularly good after-market CC? 3. Are ""professionally"" installed CCs signifacantly better and worth the cabbage? 4. If the unit I saw (sorry, no manufacturer or model number, just that it is at Pep Boy and its $80) is sufficient for my simple needs, how do I get the thing installed properly (specifically, the questions above)? My father and I built a ""Veep"" (Volkswagen powered Jeep CJ-2A) when I was in high school, so I consider myself fairly good with tools, electronics, and cars. So the installation doesn't scare me. I just want to be certain that I get the thing installed correctly as my Cherokee is just a wee bit more complicated than my Veep. :-) I appreciate your time in reading my post, and I would appreciate any expertise or opinion anybody has on the subject. If you would like to share some of your wisdom, please email as I don't get over this group very often (but I check my mail all the time). Again, thanks for any help anyone may have. Mike Wieda Mikew@canc.byu.edu " 3583,18,"From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu (NOTE: cross-posted to alt.politics.italy and talk.politics.misc This is a reply to an article by Ed Ipser which also appeared in alt.politics.usa.misc and alt.politics.libertarian, but no longer belongs) I hate to defend Ed (the article was very poorly written) but here goes: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: >Ed should take a look at the budget deficit Regan and Bush created together >before he starts to make claims about europe collapsing based on the budget >deficits here. None of them are serious on the USA scale. Italy's per-capita debt is much higher than USA's. >We do not want our countries to be run by a narrow elite of rich lawyers >for the benefit of the super wealthy. This is *exactly* what the public in France & Italy perceive to be the problem-- thus the French election and Italian pulizia. Regarding the post-pulizia Italy: >What looks likely to happen is the fringe parties are going to do much >better in the next election. Most of the parliamentary deputies are going >to get replaced and the parties are going to be forced to look to people >who are free of any hint of corruption. Look out for a parliament of >Pavarotti's and porn stars. Wrong. This is true perhaps only for the Lega Nord. The referendum Sunday is expected to establish a British/American style first-past-the-post system in the Senate. If implemented, it would encourage a two- (or perhaps three-) party system in Italy. Most likely the DC and PSI will not be these parties; rather there will be a shakeup of the entire party structure from which 2 new parties will emerge to dominate. Will Lega Nord be one of these? Who knows. (The Camera dei Deputati (lower house) will likely remain with Proportional Representation for a while, but there is talk of switching a portion of that house, too. Maybe as much as 40% first-past-the-post) Overall, the electoral reform in Italy is a welcome change. Italians are tired of having crappy government. Porn stars, Pavarotti's and Hunters & Fishers won't gain seats because PR is dead. A good two-party system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government. It's about time. Jeff Hagen hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu " 3584,15,"From: rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) Subject: Re: What did Lazarus smell like? Lines: 15 In the discussion as to why Jesus spoke aloud the ""Lazarus, come out"", I'm surprised that no one has noticed the verse immediately preceeding. Jn 12:41 ""Father, I thank you for listening to me, though I knew that you always listen to me. But I have said this for the sake of the people that are standing around me that they may believe that you have made my your messenger."" (Goodspeed translation) My guess is that the ""Lazarus, come out!"" was also for the sake of the crowd. -- --- Tim Rolfe rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu rolfe@junior.dsu.edu RolfeT@columbia.dsu.edu " 3585,13,"From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) Subject: Re: Need to find information about current trends in diabetes. Lines: 63 Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California In steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) writes: >I looked for diab in my .newsrc and came up with nuthin. Anyone have >any good sources for where I can read? Check out the DIABETIC mailing list -- a knowledgable, helpful, friendly, voluminous bunch. Send email to LISTSERV@PCCVM.BITNET, with this line in the body: SUBSCRIBE DIABETIC Also, the vote for misc.health.diabetes, a newsgroup for general discussion of diabetes, is currently underway, and will close on 29 April. From the 2nd CFV, posted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and sci.med, message <1q1jshINN4v1@rodan.UU.NET>: >To place a vote FOR the creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an >email message to yes@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil > >To place a vote AGAINST creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an >email message to no@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil > >The contents of the message should contain the line ""I vote >for/against misc.health.diabetes as proposed"". Email messages sent to >the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional >votes for/against newsgroup creation as proposed. Conditional votes >will not be accepted. Only votes emailed to the above addresses will >be counted; mailed replies to this posting will be returned. In the >event that more than one vote is placed by an individual, only the >most recent vote will be counted. One additional CFV will be posted >during the course of the vote, along with an acknowledgment of those >votes received to date. No information will be supplied as to how >people are voting until the final acknowledgment is made at the end, >at which time the full vote will be made public. > >Voting will continue until 23:59 GMT, 29 Apr 93. >Votes will not be accepted after this date. > >Any administrative inquiries pertaining to this CFV may be made by >email to swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil > >The proposed charter appears below. > >-------------------------- > >Charter: > >misc.health.diabetes unmoderated > >1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the >discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet, >activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise, >medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of >management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin >dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support >discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome. > >2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion >purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice. >Diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision >by a primary health care physician. > >-----(end of charter)----- " 3586,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: SIRTF Mission is Still Alive Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 114 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: SIRTF, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 From the ""JPL Universe"" April 23, 1993 SIRTF is still very much in business By Mark Whalen In these times of extra-tight NASA budgets, the very survival of a number of missions has been uncertain. But thanks to major design refinements implemented in recent months, JPL's Space Infrared Telescope Facility (SIRTF) -- a major project considered to be in trouble a couple of years ago -- is ""alive and well,"" according to Project Scientist Michael Werner. A lighter spacecraft, revised orbit and shorter mission have added up to a less expensive project with ""tremendous scientific power"" and a bright future, said Werner. Designed as a follow-up to the highly successful Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) and Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) missions, SIRTF -- a cryogenically cooled observatory for infrared astronomy from space -- is scheduled for launch in 2000 or 2001 if plans proceed as scheduled. IRAS' pioneering work in space-based infrared astronomy 10 years ago allowed astronomers to view the Milky Way as never before and revealed, among other things, 60,000 galaxies and 25 comets. It provided a sky survey 1,000 times more sensitive than any previously available from ground-based observations. COBE has measured the infrared and microwave background radiation on large angular scales, and revealed new facts about the early universe. But to illuminate SIRTF's potential, Jim Evans, JPL's manager of Astrophysics and Fundamental Physics Pre-Projects, recently said that the project is ""1,000 to 1 million times more capable than IRAS,"" based on technological advances in infrared detector arrays. However, despite the enormous strides in infrared exploration SIRTF promised, and the fact that it was cited as the highest priority new initiative for all of astronomy in the 1990s (by the National Academy of Sciences), it took a ""diet or die"" directive from NASA Headquarters last year to keep the project going, according to Werner. The project is now known as Atlas SIRTF, based on the key factor in its new design: The satellite will orbit the sun instead of the Earth, permitting the use of an Atlas rocket launch instead of the formerly proposed and heavier Titan. ""The main advantage of the solar orbit is that you can use all of your launch capability for boosting the payload -- you don't have to carry up a second rocket to circularize the orbit,"" Werner said. The other advantage to a solar orbit, he said, is that ""it's in a better thermal environment, away from the heat of the Earth."" Additional major changes in SIRTF's redesign include shortening the mission from five to three years and building a spacecraft that is less than half as heavy as in the original plan -- Atlas SIRTF will weigh 2,470 kilograms (5,400 pounds) compared to Titan SIRTF's 5,500 kilograms (12,100 pounds). All of that adds up to ""a less stressful launch environment,"" Werner said, and a cost savings of more than $200 million for the launch, in addition to increased savings in the design of the smaller, less massive spacecraft. Werner said SIRTF's redesign came as a result of Congress' telling NASA ""you're trying to do too many things. If you want us to support SIRTF, which is a good project, develop a plan to see how it fits into (NASA's) overall strategy."" Shortly thereafter, SIRTF was named as NASA's highest priority ""flagship"" scientific mission by the interdisciplinary Space Sciences Advisory Committee, in addition to the blessing from the National Academy of Sciences. While the spacecraft and its instruments required descoping to keep the project alive, SIRTF's major scientific contribution always promised to come about from its advanced infrared detector arrays, which will allow images to be developed ""tens of thousands of times faster"" than before, according to Evans. ""Up until a couple of years ago,"" Werner said, ""all infrared astronomy was done with single detectors -- or very small arrays of individually assembled detectors. Since then, the Department of Defense has developed a program to produce arrays of tens or hundreds of thousands of detectors, rather than just a few, and those are very well suited for use on SIRTF."" Werner noted that in addition to dealing with budget pressures, Congress is currently watching NASA projects with an eye out for any ""technological spinoff."" ""On that question, I think we have some things to say,"" he said, ""because the detectors we're using are straight off various military developments. Also, SIRTF will be built by the U.S. aerospace industry, and it's a real technological and engineering challenge in addition to being a tremendous scientific project. ""SIRTF will be used by the entire astronomical community,"" Werner added, but the revised three-year mission ""puts a premium on observing time. We have to educate the user community and develop a program that involves early surveys and quick turnaround of the data."" Werner said the downsizing of the project required a reduction in scope and complexity of SIRTF's three instruments -- the infrared spectrograph, infrared array camera and multiband imaging photometer. However, these reductions will only result in losses of efficiency rather than capability, he said. The project hopes to start a ""Phase B"" activity in 1995, which will provide a detailed concept for development and design. Building the hardware would begin about two years later. Projected cost estimates, Evans said, are $850 million-$950 million. ""I am very optimistic about SIRTF,"" he said. ""It will provide a tremendous return for the investment."" Werner added that an additional benefit from the project will be the ""enrichment of our intellectual and cultural environment. People on the street are very interested in astronomy ... black holes, the possibility of life on other planets, the origin of the universe ... and those are the kind of questions SIRTF will help answer."" ### ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 3587,11,"From: andyl@harlqn.co.uk (Andy Latto) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) In-Reply-To: smb@research.att.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:23:18 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: epcot.harlequin.com Organization: Harlequin Limited, Cambridge, England <1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: In article , Graham Toal writes: > In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack > :has 2^80 possible keys. > > We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. That doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something they can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be verified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the chip, then try flipping random key bits, and see what happens to the output. We already know what *should* happen -- about half the output bits should vary, on average, from a 1-bit key change or input change. If they were out to build a weak cryptosystem, it might be the case that some of the bits are much less powerful than others, in the sense that they only enter into the encryption very late in the game. By contrast, DES was designed to use each key bit as early as possible; the 50% output change rate appears as early as round 5. Again, though, I don't think NSA is going to cheat that crudely; they're likely to get caught. Consider a cryptosytem that starts out by XORing bits 23 and 47, and not using either of these bits except through this XOR. This system makes early use of every bit. but an exhaustive key search would now only have 2^79 keys to search. Your test by varying single key bits wouldn't turn up anything interesting. Remember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see the cryptosystem design. If you assume something DES-like, a biased subkey generation schedule will stick out like a sore thumb. The algorithm I suggest above would stick out like a sore thumb, but I'm sure I could design a system with a more subtle key redundancy which was well-hidden, but would still make an exhaustive key search take far less than 2^80 encryptions. I don't believe your claim that the real keysize can be verified externally. Andy Latto andyl@harlequin.com " 3588,14,"From: aa429@freenet.carleton.ca (Terry Ford) Subject: NASP X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 15 Could someone please send me the basics of the NASP project: 1. The proposal/objectives 2. The current status of the project/obstacles encountered 3. Chance that the project shall ever be completed or any other interesting information about this project. Any help will be much appreciated -- Terry Ford [aa429@freenet.carleton.ca] >House, Nepean, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Cluster A21< DISCALIMER: Any injuries occuring as a direct result from the reading of this message INCLUDING HEART PALPITATIONS is not my fault in any shape or form. " 3589,14,"From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: Griffin / Office of Exploration: RIP Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu Any comments on the absorbtion of the Office of Exploration into the Office of Space Sciences and the reassignment of Griffin to the ""Chief Engineer"" position? Is this just a meaningless administrative shuffle, or does this bode ill for SEI? In my opinion, this seems like a Bad Thing, at least on the surface. Griffin seemed to be someone who was actually interested in getting things done, and who was willing to look an innovative approaches to getting things done faster, better, and cheaper. It's unclear to me whether he will be able to do this at his new position. Does anyone know what his new duties will be? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________ " 3590,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenians were also partners in Nazi practices. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 82 In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or Still living in an alternate universe? Numerous articles in major newspapers (London Times) and periodicals (Newsweek) during the war, had suggested the existence of a significant collaboration between Armenians and the Nazis. Arthur Derounian deserves credit for being the first person to deal with this issue extensively. Derounian's motives were twofold: his deeply held democratic convictions gave him a sense of duty and he felt obliged to shed light on this yet another dark chapter of Armenian history. Concurrently, Derounian embarked on what one would call 'crisis control' or face-saving. In order to forestall any potential attacks on the larger Armenian community in the United States, he marginalized collaboration as deplorable but insignificant.[1] [1] John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), 'The Plotters,' E. P. Dutton & Company, Inc., New York 1946, p. 182. Source: ""Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"" Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi collaboration. A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, is attention-getting. This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered ""Aryan"" and what befell them. Now wait, there is more. Source: ""From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne"" by Avetis Aharonian. The Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57. p. 52 (second paragraph). ""Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the destruction of 300 villages."" p. 54 (fifth paragraph). ""Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."" ""...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are official charges of massacres."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3591,18,"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: GrinchCo Lines: 73 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu Summary: Feasibility considered News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... > :I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that :such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing :government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the :analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more :about it. Okay, let me try to explain this. When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision with respect to specific regulations. > > :Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is :not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and :licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent :tasks. I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that [] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in fact? :Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as :generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. 2 of the four you saw fit to mention, and education of minors is always another possibility, since minors are generally considered not to be responsible to make their own decisions as adults are. :(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to :be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending :that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to the state are the coersive ones. > :Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries :frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" :mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds :that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. In the unlikely event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered ""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously dispute this? I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? Mr. Grinch " 3592,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 3593,4,"Subject: Snooper..any opinions From: Keith Whitehead Distribution: world Organization: Apple Source BBS X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version Lines: 16 Has anyone use Snooper or MacEKG or any other similar diagnostic software.Any comparisons/reviews on these products would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help Cheers -- ========================================================================== : Sir@office.acme.gen.nz : : : : Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for! : ========================================================================== " 3594,7,From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$??? Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Lines: 3 You can be sure they wouldn't do it if it wasn't to their advantage. Mark 3595,10,"From: ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: : Antonio Pera writes: : > I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance : >was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard : >Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave : >Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. : : I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the : coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage : of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting : back to the puck. Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of you who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even reaped any $ made... Enjoy, Caleb " 3596,11,"From: mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu (Marc VanHeyningen) Subject: RIPEM Frequently Asked Questions Article-I.D.: usenet.C4qoA0.CA6 Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Lines: 360 Content-Type: text/x-usenet-FAQ; version=1.0; title=""RIPEM FAQ"" Originator: mvanheyn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Archive-name: ripem/faq Last-update: 31 Mar 93 22:00:00 -0500 ABOUT THIS POSTING ------------------ This is a listing of likely questions and information about RIPEM, a program for public key mail encryption. It (this FAQ, not RIPEM) was written and will be maintained by Marc VanHeyningen . It will be posted to a variety of newsgroups on a monthly basis; follow-up discussion specific to RIPEM is redirected to the group alt.security.ripem. WHAT'S NEW ---------- I am now running a World Wide Web archive of RIPEM information. It does not contain much of anything that isn't available elsewhere, but it has convenient pointers to the most current version of this FAQ and some other stuff. The URL is ""http://cs.indiana.edu/ripem/dir.html"". This month's version has a fair amount of new pointers to information on patents and stuff like that. I've also reordered a few things to have a more sensible ordering. I hope I don't have to edit this again soon. :-) DISCLAIMER ---------- Nothing in this FAQ should be considered legal advice, or anything other than one layperson's opinion. If you want real legal advice, talk to a real lawyer, preferably one with experience in patent law, export regulations, or whatever area of law is in question. LIST OF QUESTIONS ----------------- 1) What is RIPEM? 2) How can I get RIPEM? 3) Will RIPEM run on my machine? 4) Will RIPEM work with my mailer? 5) What is RSA? 6) What is DES? 7) What is a fingerprint, like MD5? 8) What is PEM? 9) What's this about distributing and authenticating keys? 10) Isn't it a bad idea to use patented algorithms in standards like PEM? 11) What about RSADSI/PKP? 12) Why do all RIPEM public keys look very similar? 13) What is PGP? 14) What about RPEM? 15) What is MIME? 16) What is TIS/PEM? 17) I have this simple way to defeat the security of RIPEM... QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS --------------------- 1) What is RIPEM? RIPEM is a (not yet complete, but useful) implementation of Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM). RIPEM allows your electronic mail to have the four security facilities provided by PEM: disclosure protection (optional), originator authenticity, message integrity measures, and non-repudiation of origin (always). (See: ""What is PEM?"") RIPEM was written primarily by Mark Riordan . Most of the code is in the public domain, except for the RSA routines, which are a library called RSAREF licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. The current version of RIPEM is 1.0.5; the current version of the Macintosh port of RIPEM is 0.7. 2) How can I get RIPEM? RIPEM uses the library of cryptographic routines RSAREF, which is considered munitions and thus is export-restricted from distribution to persons who are not citizens or permanent residents in the U.S or Canada without an export license. No such license has been obtained (nor would one likely be granted unless the RSA key exchange were shortened to 512 bits and the symmetric cipher changed to something weaker than DES. There are some suggestions that this situation may change now that Clinton is in office.) The author requests in the README file that this law not be violated: #Please do not export the cryptographic code in this distribution #outside of the USA or Canada. This is a personal request from me, #the author of RIPEM, and a condition of your use of RIPEM. Note that RSAREF is not in the public domain, and a license for it is included with the distribution. You should read it before using RIPEM. RIPEM is available via anonymous FTP to citizens and permanent residents in the U.S. from rsa.com; cd to rsaref/ and read the README file for info. Note that the non-RSAREF portion of RIPEM is not a product of RSA Data Security, Incorporated; they merely are helping distribute it. RIPEM, as well as some other crypt stuff, has its ""home site"" on ripem.msu.edu, which is open to non-anonymous FTP for users in the U.S. and Canada who are citizens or permanent residents. To find out how to obtain access, FTP there, cd to pub/crypt/, and read the file GETTING_ACCESS. For convenience, binaries for many architectures are available here in addition to the full source tree. 3) Will RIPEM run on my machine? Probably. It has already been ported to MS-DOS and most flavors of Unix (SunOS, NeXT, Linux, AIX, ULTRIX, Solaris, etc.) Ports to Macintosh include a standard UNIX-style port and a rather nice Mac-like port written by Raymond Lau, author of StuffIt. More ports are expected, and help of users is invited. 4) Will RIPEM work with my mailer? Probably. How easy and clean the effective interface is will depend on the sophistication and modularity of the mailer, though. The users guide, included with the distribution, discusses ways to use RIPEM with many popular mailers, including Berkeley, mush, Elm, and MH. Code is also included in elisp to allow easy use of RIPEM inside GNU Emacs. If you make a new interface for RIPEM or create an improvement on one in the distribution which you believe is convenient to use, secure, and may be useful to others, feel free to post it to alt.security.ripem. 5) What is RSA? RSA is a crypto system which is asymmetric, or public-key. This means that there are two different, related keys: one to encrypt and one to decrypt. Because one cannot (reasonably) be derived from the other, you may publish your encryption, or public, key widely and keep your decryption, or private, key to yourself. Anyone can use your public key to encrypt a message, but only you hold the private key needed to decrypt it. Note that the ""message"" sent with RSA is normally just the DES key to the real plaintext. (See ""What is DES?"") Note that the above only provides for disclosure protection. For originator authenticity, message integrity, and non-repudiation of origin services to be implemented, the fingerprint of the message (See ""What is a fingerprint, like MD5?"") is encrypted with the sender's private key. The recipient, or a dispute-resolving authority, can use the sender's public key to decrypt it and confirm that the message must have come from the sender and was not altered. RSA was named for the three men (Rivest, Shamir and Adleman) who invented it. To find out lots more about RSA and modern cryptography in general, ftp to rsa.com and look in pub/faq/. Some information also may be in sci.crypt. 6) What is DES? DES is the Data Encryption Standard, a widely used symmetric, or secret-key, crypto system. Unlike RSA, DES uses the same key to encrypt and decrypt messages. However, DES is much faster than RSA. RIPEM uses both DES and RSA; it generates a random key and encrypts your mail with DES using that key. It then encrypts that key with the recipient's public RSA key and includes the result in the letter, allowing the recipient to recover the DES key. DES is sometimes considered weak because it is somewhat old and uses a key length considered too short by modern standards. However, it should be reasonably safe against an opponent smaller than a large corporation or government agency. It is not likely that the PEM standard will incorporate support for other symmetric ciphers in the near future, because there is a strong feeling that PEM should be stable so it can become utilized widely without early problems with interoperability. 7) What is a fingerprint, like MD5? MD5 is a message digest algorithm produced by RSA Data Security Inc. It provides a 128-bit fingerprint, or cryptographically secure hash, of the plaintext. It is cryptographically secure because it is not possible (in a reasonable amount of computation) to produce a different plaintext which produces the same fingerprint. Thus, instead of signing the entire message with the sender's private key, only the MD5 of the message needs to be signed for authentication. MD5s can also be exchanged directly for authentication; for example, RIPEM public keys include an MD5 of the public key in the file, so parties wishing to confirm their keys are authentic via a separate channel merely need exchange MD5s of keys and verify their accuracy. MD5 is sometimes used for other purposes; for example, it is often used to map an input of arbitrary length to 128 bits of data, as a passphrase interpreter or cookie generator. MD5 is described in its entirety (including an implementation in C) in RFC 1321. There have been some recent suggestions that MD5 may not be as strong a hash as was originally believed; presumably some other hash function will be used if this is accepted as true. 8) What is PEM? PEM is Privacy Enhanced Mail, a standard for allowing transfer of encrypted electronic mail generated over a long period of time by a working group of experts. It is described in RFCs 1421-1424; these documents have been approved and obsolete the old RFCs 1113-1115. RIPEM is not really a complete implementation of PEM, because PEM specifies certificates for authenticating keys, which RIPEM does not handle at this time. Their addition is planned. 9) What's this about distributing and authenticating keys? For a remote user to be able to send secure mail to you, she must know your public key. For you to be able to confirm that the message received came from her, you must know her public key. It is important that this information be accurate; if a ""bad guy"" convinces her that his key is in fact yours, she will send messages which he can read. RIPEM allows for three methods of key management: a central server, the distributed finger servers, and a flat file. All three are described in the RIPEM users guide which is part of the distribution. None of them provide perfect security. The PEM standard calls for key management by certificates; the addition of this feature to RIPEM is planned, but chicken-egg issues still exist. 10) Isn't it a bad idea to use patented algorithms in standards like PEM? This issue has been considered in the standards process. RFC 1310, the specification for Internet standards, has a discussion (section 6) on what specifications for nondiscriminatory availability must be met for a patented method to be included in a standard. RFC 1421 addresses this issue with regard to the patents covering public-key cryptography. This does not, of course, mean that all questions are settled or that everyone is in agreement. An interesting exchange on the use of patented algorithms in standards with regard to public-key cryptography is in the League for Programming Freedom archive (available via FTP: ftp.uu.net:/doc/lpf) in the files bidzos.letter and bidzos.response. (Amusingly, the LPF files on ftp.uu.net are compressed with a patented algorithm.) 11) What about RSADSI/PKP? RSA Data Security, Inc. (RSADSI) is a California-based company specializing in cryptographic technologies. Public Key Partners is a firm which holds exclusive sub-licensing rights of the following U.S. patents and all of their corresponding foreign patents: Cryptographic Apparatus and Method (""Diffie-Hellman"")............................... No. 4,200,770 Public Key Cryptographic Apparatus and Method (""Hellman-Merkle"").................... No. 4,218,582 Cryptographic Communications System and Method (""RSA"")................................... No. 4,405,829 Exponential Cryptographic Apparatus and Method (""Hellman-Pohlig"").................... No. 4,424,414 PKP claims these four patents cover all known methods of public key cryptography. The two businesses are rather closely related (for example, the same person, Jim Bidzos, is president of both of them.) PKP has licensed this technology to a considerable number of companies (IBM, DEC, Motorola, AT&T, Lotus...) for use in their products. PKP has also threatened and filed lawsuits defending their patents. RIPEM was originally created with no connection to RSADSI other than its use of the RSAREF library, and for no reason other than its author's desire to see widespread use of public-key cryptography. However, after the ball started rolling, people at RSADSI got interested. RSADSI decided to carry RIPEM on its FTP site, and some people there started making their own RIPEM keys and contributing code. RIPEM even won the ""Best Application Built on RSAREF in 1992"" award. 12) Why do all RIPEM public keys look very similar? RIPEM public keys begin with a PKCS (Public-Key Cryptography Standards) identifier describing various characteristics about the key, so the first bunch of characters in your key may be the same as those of lots of other people's keys. This does not mean your keys are similar, but only that they are the same class of key, were generated with the same program, are of the same length, etc. 13) What is PGP? PGP is another cryptographic mail program called Pretty Good Privacy. PGP has been around longer than RIPEM, and works somewhat differently. PGP is not compatible with RIPEM in any way, though PGP does also use RSA. A few major differences between PGP and RIPEM: - PGP has more key management features, particularly for users without a direct network connection. - RIPEM conforms to the PEM RFCs and thus has a greater probability of working with other PEM software. PGP makes no attempt to be compatible with anything other than itself. - RIPEM uses RSAREF, a library of RSA routines from RSADSI which comes with a license allowing noncommercial use. PGP uses its own implementation of RSA. PKP claims that it is a violation of its patents to ""make, use or sell"" PGP in the U.S. or Canada without either a license or written permission. (See: ""DISCLAIMER"") (See: ""What about RSADSI/PKP?"") Phil Zimmermann, the author of PGP, stopped distributing it after being threatened with legal action; he believed that a licensing scheme could be arranged, but it hasn't happened and there seems little prospect of it happening in the future. He acknowledges in the PGP User's Guide: #In fact, if you live in the USA, and you are not a Federal agency, #you shouldn't actually run PGP on your computer, because Public #Key Partners wants to forbid you from running my software. PGP is #contraband. - Both PGP and RIPEM are export-restricted, and cannot be sent outside the U.S. and Canada without an export license. However, PGP already exists on many ftp sites in Europe and other places. Whether you use PGP or RIPEM or whatever, the documentation to PGP is recommended reading to anyone interested in such issues. Unfortunately, it's not distributed separately from the program, which can be difficult to find in the U.S. on FTP sites due to liability concerns. 14) What about RPEM? RPEM stands for Rabin Privacy Enhanced Mail. It was similar to RIPEM, but used a public-key cipher invented by Rabin (which is not RSA) in an attempt to avoid the patents on public-key systems. It was written by Mark Riordan, who later wrote RIPEM. Its distribution was halted when, contrary to the beliefs of many (including Rabin), PKP claimed that their patents were broad enough to cover the cipher employed. This claim is not universally accepted, but was not challenged for pragmatic reasons. RPEM is not really used anymore. It is not compatible with RIPEM or PGP. 15) What is MIME? MIME stands for Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions, and is described in RFC 1341. You can find out about it in the newsgroup comp.mail.mime; a FAQ exists on it. How PEM should interact with MIME is not yet entirely clear; some people use the stopgap solution of having a MIME type application/x-ripem in order to send RIPEM messages as MIME ones. I hope some standards will emerge. Draft Internet documents exist on the matter. 16) What is TIS/PEM? Trusted Information Systems is working on a version of Privacy Enhanced Mail for general availability. Last I heard, it was rumored to be integrated into an existing mail user agent (MH) rather than a stand-alone system, and in beta test. I don't know much more than that. 17) I have this simple way to defeat the security of RIPEM... You may wish to check the companion post ""ripem-attacks"" which discusses some of the more obvious attacks on RIPEM's security and what procedures will minimize the risk. RIPEM's main ""weak area"" is probably key distribution. " 3597,17,"From: flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March Organization: Dept. Of Control, Teknikum, Uppsala Lines: 195 <1993Apr5.221759.28472@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: frej.teknikum.uu.se In-reply-to: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU 's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 22:17:59 GMT In article <1993Apr5.221759.28472@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: [ stuff deleted ] |> I wrote: |> Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your |> paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the |> um, well, debate again. Hasan replies: I didnot know that ""Master of wisdom"" can be ""name clling"" too, unless you consider yourself deserve-less ! Unless you are referring to someone else, you have in fact given me a name I did not ask for, hence the term 'name calling'. Hasan writes: |> So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, |> ^^^ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------ I replied: |> If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at |> least spell them correctly. /sigh. Hasan gloats: That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey ) Hell-bent on retarding into childhood, no? |>when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that |>the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, |>and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on |>the ground of occupied territories. |> >No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance >of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals >right ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here. No, I really do try to spell correctly, and I apologize if I did confuse you. I will try not to repeat that. |> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the |> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have |> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. Ok, let me re-phrase the question. I have repeatedly asked you if the Israelis have less human rights than the palestinians, and if so, why. From your posting (where you did not directly adress my question) I inferred that you thought so. Together with the above statement I then assumed that the reason was the actions of the state of Israel. Re: your statement of occupation: I'd like you to define the term, so I don't have to repeat this 'drag the answer out of hasan' procedure more than neccesary. Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing Palestinean human rights. I'm sorry, but the above sentence does not make sense. Please rephrase it. |> If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then |> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant. Oh, ok. So how about the human rights of the Syrians, Iraqis and others? Does the name of Hama sound familiar? Or how about the kurds in Iraq and Turkey? How about the Same in Sweden (Ok, maybe a bit farfetched..) the Russians in the Baltic states or the Moslem in the old USSR and Yugoslavia? Do the serbs have any human rights remainaing, according to you? |> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? |> |> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because |> any system can solve it. |> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). |> |> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that |> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your |> reply. So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). No, I'm agreeing that to just kick all the Palestinians out of Israel proper would probably lead to disaster for both parties. If that's what you refer to as the 'Israeli solution' then so be it. |> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) |> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: |> ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both |> peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal |> ^^^ ^^^ |> of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. |> The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of |> the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than |> to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to |> transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be |> left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to |> absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" |> DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 |> (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) |> |> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to |> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS |> charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd |> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to |> a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he |> wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have |> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will |> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff] >Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment>is full with men like Joseph Weitz. Oh? Have you met with them personally, to read their diaries? Fascinating. What do you _do_ for a living? |> ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). |> |> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the |> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! |> |> I think that is fair enough . |> |> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve |> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would resolve it JUSTLY. An unjust solution would be a non-solution, per definition, no? You said the following: For all A it holds that A have property B. There exists an A such that property B does not hold. Thus, either or both statements must be false. |> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. >You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then >you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. >Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom. I was merely pointing out a not so small flaw in your reasoning. Since you claim to be logical I felt it best to point this out before you started using your statements to prove a point or so. Am I then to assume you are not logical? |> ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". |> -Rabbi Shoham. |> |> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are |> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. >Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , >if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, >well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said >""Yes, Zionism is racism"". >If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. >If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in >condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. Any quote can be misused, especially when used to stereotype all individuals by a statement of an individual. If you use the same methods that you credit 'Zionists' with, then where does that place you? Oh, by the way, I'd advice you not to assume anything about my 'loyalties'. I will and am condemning acts I find vile and inhuman, but I'll try as long as I can not to assume those acts are by a whole people. By zionist above do you mean the state of Israel, the government of Israel, the leaders of Israel (political and/or religious) or the jews in general? If you feel the need to condemn, condemn those responsible instead. How would you feel if we started condemning you personally based on the bombings in Egypt? -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jonas Flygare, + Wherever you go, there you are V{ktargatan 32 F:621 + 754 22 Uppsala, Sweden + " 3598,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: Need Senate Bill numbers and House Resolution numbers Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 15 In article mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) writes: > >Try the firearms archive. Larry Cipriani's instructions follow. By >the way, thanks for the archive Larry.. There are a few bills not yet in the archive, but these are the main ones we need to fight. And thanks to David Robinson for scanning so many of them in for us! The subdirectory bills are stored in was moved from ""congress"" to ""Congress"", that is: godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu:/usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba/Congress -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 3599,11,"From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: How does it really work? (was Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption) Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University Distribution: na Lines: 57 This announcement is somewhat disconcerting; it doesn't do anything evil in and of itself, but bodes badly for the future of open algorithms and standards in information security. I won't start panicking until/unless DES or RSA or stuff like that is prohibited, but I'm a little anxious. (No doubt it won't be long before someone posts explaining how this just a small part of some far-ranging and long-lived NSA-PKP-IRS-FBI-CIA-HandgunControlInc-Clinton conspiracy to subvert freedom, democracy, and mathematics.) My feeling is that the administration probably isn't that worried about things like DES and RSA and PGP and RIPEM, since they'll never be used by a group much wider than us computer geeks. The fact that this just came out now suggests one of two things: 1. The NSA has been working on this for a long time, and it only just now happened to be ``ready'' to release to the world at this time. 2. The NSA has been working on this for a long time, but wasn't able to get the Bush administration to go along with this plan. (I find it unlikely that this would have been because of a sympathy for the unescrowed use of cryptography; more likely the administration felt that even escrowed, secret-algorithm and, for all we know, trivially breakable cryptography should not be made widely available.) Thus said clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement): >This new technology will help companies protect proprietary >information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations >and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted >electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the >ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to >intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. The majority of the discussion involving this ""Clipper Chip"" seems to pertain to the encryption of telephone conversations. Does anyone know if that means this chip is designed to work primarily with analog signals? The language sort of suggests this, but it's hard to say. The main thing I just don't get is whether this chip implements symmetric or asymmetric cryptographic techniques. Anybody know? I'm guessing symmetric, but they don't get very clear about it. If it is symmetric, how is it useful for anything other than link-level encryption with an identical chip at each end? How can you negotiate a per-session key using symmetric cryptography without using a trusted third party who knows your key? (Or does it even use a per-session key?) If it's asymmetric, what about PKP's patents, which they claim cover all methods of doing asymmetric cryptography? Are they getting royalties, or is hiding infringement the real reason for keeping the algorithm secret? :-) -- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted Kirk: I won't hurt you. Alien: You hit me! Kirk: Well, I won't hit you again. " 3600,1,"From: koolish@bbn.com (Dick Koolish) Subject: Re: Flat globe Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com sp1marse@kristin (Marco Seirio) writes: >Does anybody have an algorithm for ""flattening"" out a globe, or any other >parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. >That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be >able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a >globe (or any other object). There is a library of map projections in: charon.er.usgs.gov in /pub/PROJ.4.1.3.tar.Z " 3601,8,"From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Subject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Saw this in today's newspaper: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS -------------------------------- Barnstaple, England/Reuter A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales. David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told. Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in a pub. -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca " 3602,1,"From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc137 Organization: Ostfold College In article nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes: >From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) >Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split >Date: 20 Apr 93 08:59:51 >In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: > > CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in > CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of > CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to > CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this > CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. > CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for > CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? > CH> Just curious. > >I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups >already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly >into one of these categories. > >Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga >groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split >would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured >environment. > >-- > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ > / Michael Nerone \""I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\ > / Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\ >/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it.""-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\ Maybe I should point out that we are not talking about c.s.amiga.*. Only comp.graphics. Arff ""Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values, who's birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And often disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear a seeing man prizeing what he sees."" Per Lagerkvist, The Fist (Free translation from Swedish) --Andreas Arff andreasa@dhhalden.no-- " 3603,2,"From: adamb@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Adam Benson) Subject: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ???? Summary: According to Norton SI computer is slower in windows A LOT SLOWER Keywords: windows win dos Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 5 Adam Benson Mt. Pearl, NF adamb@garfield.cs.mun.ca " 3604,1,"From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I plan to post a summary of responses to this as soon as I have working code, which I will also include. The intersection of 3 planes method looks best, but my implementation based on a short article in Graphics Gems I doesn't work. I may be misinterpreting, of course. I had avoided the simultaneous solution of the plane equations in favor of dot and cross products, but the former may actually be better. In either case a matrix determinant needs to be computed (implicitly in the solution of linear equations). To get the planes, I was taking the midpoint of the line from, say, P1 to P2, and setting the normal as the ""normalized"" vector from P1 to P2. These just plugged into the formula in Graphics Gems. HOwever, the resulting center point is only occasionally equidistant from all 4 of my test points (for different tests). My matrix/vector math is very rusty, but it looks like I need to verify the formula, or use the simultaneous equation solution, which will require bringing in another routine I don't have (but should be easy to find). Another method is to first find the center of the circle defined by 2 sets of 3 points, and intersecting the normals from there. This would also define the circle center. However, small numerical imprecisions would make the lines not intersect. Supposedly 3 planes HAVE to intersect in a unique point if they are not parallel. Ed Thanks to all who answered so far. -- Ed Bolson University of Washington Cardiovascular Research (206)543-4535 bolson@u.washington.edu (preferred) bolson@max.bitnet bolson@milton.u.washington.edu (if you must) " 3605,14,"From: jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 36 rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permane > > > >One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how > >many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are > >these individuals? > > > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > > ""Hey, I read sci.space!"" > > Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) > (This will also help answer that nagging question: ""Just what is > the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?"") > As an Amateur Radio operator (VHF 2metres) I like to keep up with what is going up (and for that matter what is coming down too). In about 30 days I have learned ALOT about satellites current, future and past all the way back to Vanguard series and up to Astro D observatory (space). I borrowed a book from the library called Weater Satellites (I think, it has a photo of the earth with a TIROS type satellite on it.) I would like to build a model or have a large color poster of one of the TIROS satellites I think there are places in the USA that sell them. ITOS is my favorite looking satellite, followed by AmSat-OSCAR 13 (AO-13). TTYL 73 Jim jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 " 3606,12,"From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) Subject: CASIO SF7500 SERIAL LINK Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 8 The Casio 7500 lectric diary has a 3-wire serial interface with param setting like RS232, for which one get a magic but expensive cable to connect to a PC. Does anyone know the spec of this interface, e.g., it needs inverting and boosting from CMOS signals to match RS232 lines? -- Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085 Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205 " 3607,19,"From: markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Lines: 22 In <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >>from subjective values, before we go any further. >Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All >of which is subjective. Omigod, it's an operationalist! Sorry, Jim, but the idea that a theory explaining a myriad of distinctly different observations is merely a ""model"" is more than sensible people can accept -- your phobia about objective reality notwithstanding. -- Mark Pundurs any resemblance between my opinions and those of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental " 3608,2,"From: bcasavan@skyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Brent Casavant) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Summary: Explanation of message Nntp-Posting-Host: skyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 63 In article <93059@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) writes: [Stuff deleted] > >more on permenent swap files... > >i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk >has seen the message ""you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested >size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this >swap file anyway"" or something like that. > >well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. >what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and >divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block >of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. > >They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows >uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he >said! > >I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is >available to me if it's not going to use it? > >any takers? > >James Well, someone at Microsoft told you wrong. Windows will use a swap file larger than the recommended size. Last summer I went to a Microsoft Windows 3.1 Technical Workshop and they distributed A LOT of information that the general public might not be aware of. Anyway in the main book they handed out they have a section on ""Creating larger than recommended swapfile"". I'll quote the information If you create a permanent swapfile larger than the recommended size, you will receive a message telling you that Windows will not use anything larger than the recommended size. THIS ERROR MESSAGE IS INCORRECT, we will allow the use of the larger swapfile, up to four times the amount of RAM on your machine. So as you see, Microsoft does know that the information is incorrect. You probably just ran into some doofball who was new on the job and was only telling you what little he knew. Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops. They aren't actually incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and optimization straight from those in the know. Besides that they offer you HUGE discounts on software. If I remember correctly, you could pick up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130. That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that. Myself I sprang for Word. Well, hope that was helpful to someone. And besides that I hope someone will go to a workshop and save a little money. And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products. I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out? ;-) Thanks, Brent Casavant bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu " 3609,9,"Subject: Marlin fans From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: MF Summary: Marlin fans Lines: 23 I was watching the Dodgers/Marlins game yesterday and a couple of things impressed me. First is that the way the sun was shining in Miami, it had a summer atmosphere in early spring for baseball. In comparison Wrigley Field in early April still has a wintry look to it with the dead ivy and bundled up fans. The second and most important was the fans. I like these guys/gals! I will admit I am a football fan first but I still enjoy baseball. It was interesting because most of these fans are only accustomed to the Miami Dolphins. The way they were cheering, I thought it was the AFC playoffs. Of course opening day may have A LOT to do with it, but I really got feeling of electricity that I think is lacking with a lot of baseball fans in other cities. Baseball certainly needs a charge and I hope these two expansion teams bring back some excitement. We'll find out Friday how Denver Bronco fans respond. Phillies are 2-0! (I better say it now before my opportunity passes by) " 3610,18,"From: matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) Subject: Re: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.nsc.com Organization: Thought Police Watchdog Agency, U.S.A. Lines: 370 Who wants to look through the bars at some reactionary Liberal conspiracy- theory idiots and see how they rant and rave at the erosion of their populist support? This is very typical of the elitist Liberal attitude that The People are incapable of thinking for themselves. This elitist attitude will be the eventual undoing of the arrogant liberal tide sweeping America, as The People begin to realize more and more that they are being treated like errant children and robbed of their freedoms by a bunch of Utopian arrogent socialist jerks. In article 167077 in talk.politics.misc, New Liberation News Service writes: >Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face >Lines: 164 >From: New Liberation News Service >Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face >/* Written 8:33 pm Apr 14, 1993 by nlns@igc.apc.org in igc:nlns.news */ >/* ---------- ""NLNS Packet 3.11 *** 4-14-93"" ---------- */ >Fascism with a Friendly Face: Does Rush Limbaugh Remind You of >Anyone? >Daevid Bornhuetter-Machen, The Madison Edge >""The main difference between Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh is that >Hitler was original and showed initiative."" >--Mort Sahl on The Tom Snyder Radio Show, ABC Radio Network, >October 27, 1992. Although I find myself often disagreeing with the populist rationale of Mr. Limbaugh, I find him entertaining and I often agree with his conclusions. The fact that he sends liberal reactionaries like these idiots through the roof makes him all the more entertaining. >(NLNS)--Believe it or not, I was planning this comparative review of >Mein Kampf and Limbaugh's transcribed rant, The Way Things Ought to >Be before Sahl issued his comparative review. As usual, Sahl's was >independent and sharp as a scalpel. > My effort can only dream of comparing favorably to Mort's. At >least it has a fairly popular orginating premise; everyone I'd mention the >idea to thought it was either divinely inspired or at least past due for >delivery. > Those reactions are based on parallels that should be obvious to the >most peripheral observer of the Acts of those False Prophets. Both are >noted for their galvanizing oratorical skills, which they both used with >passion to generate a political cult of massive numerical proportions (in >fact, Limbaugh claims to have an audience of just over 12 million, almost >identical to the number of votes cast for Hitler in the April 1932 German >election). Both used a myopic social perspective to build the cult, and >enthusiastically amputated facts from the record to fabricate their >ideological quilt. Actually, I find Limbaugh's oratory less than sizzling and his debating skills sometimes lacking, even though his conclusions are often correct. I would suggest that a bankrupt leftist ideology that hopes to use concentrated political power and a loaded gun to force everyone to do the ""right"" things (where ""right"" is defined by the elitist academics who lead the movement) is showing an acute case of ""myopic social perspective"", not to mention arrogance and utter stupidity. Limbaugh is certainly far from perfect, but his opponents in the established body politic and the media are the ones arguing for Federal control of virtually all aspects of the lives of the Citizenry, and for the elimination of local control over Affairs Public. Perhaps Limbaugh has a following because The People are tired of being treated like errant children by a self-important group of arrogant controlling myopic people who have no understanding of how life operates outside of the ""oughta-be's"" inside their own hopelessly closed minds. > The last point is glaringly documented by passages in the opening >pages of both books. Hitler's example is when, on page 5, he claims the >German nationalist terrorist Leo Schlageter (he bombed part of a railway >line between Dusseldorf and Duisburg, being caught in the act, in 1923) >was ""betrayed to France by a representative of his government"" when >there has never been any factual foundation for such a statement. > In fact, the governments of both the Reich and Prussia, as well as >the Vatican, actively intervened to save him from execution, and almost >succeeded. OK, let us take your word for that and work with it. A nice specific incident. >Limbaugh follows suit by making the hysterically sarcastic >claim in his introduction that ""in a school or during a commencement >ceremony or many other public places... God is unconstitutional."" Of >course, it's not God but the official imposition of particular concepts of >God against an individual's will that's unconstitutional. But Limbaugh is >too gleeful in his talent for distortion to want you to know that. Hmmm, ""Congress shall pass no law regarding an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."" Liberal translation: ""the federal government (as long as it is run by Liberals) may force local school districts to include certain iconic content in Christmas displays, while prohibiting others."" I think Limbaugh has you on this one. It seems to me that he is arguing for LESS imposition of the federal government into religion. Nice job on the specificity of that one, too. [Analysis of historical/modern communication media deleted] > But, as Mort Sahl also observed on the radio the other night, some >cloutmeister of the radical right wants Limbaugh to be a focal point of >their propoganda. (And remember, Sahl is an Al Haig conservative these >days.) > Mort might not know exactly who Rush's equivalent of Rodolf >Hess is (the book itself suggests Ed McLaughlin, the former president of >ABC radio and now Limbaugh's partner in EFM Media, the radio >program's production company). But Mort himself is a veteran of the talk >show, having hosted them in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. He >knows what evil lurks in the hearts of major market media men. He knows >that Limbaugh could not have collected his audience had not the >opportunity been placed on a silver platter and handed to him. Limbaugh >earns his money just as honestly as Al Capone did; it's almost worthy of a >RICO indictment. Ah yes, it is a conspiracy of profound proportions. Methinks that you may be a bit resentful of Mr. Limbaugh's success because you attribute it primarily to luck (how, after all, could anyone with profound differences of opinion from yourself have become successful without the operation of conspiracy or blind luck!) Do you feel this same level of knee-jerk resentment against lottery winners, or do you congratulate them on their good fortune? > On questions of social issues, there is an overabundance of >material in the Limbaugh book that seems to echo Hitler's venom. For >example: This should be great fun, since it is the Liberal movement in America that is pushing the hardest for centralized fascist control of The People and business (government/business 'partnership' indeed), and Mr. Limbaugh is the populist nemesis of that movement. I have read Mr. Limbaugh's book, and although it was not the most literary piece I have read in recent memory it certainly did not contain ""venom"" at all, let alone ""venom"" comparable to an individual who callously murdered millions out of racism. >On Their Own Qualifications to Control Society > Hitler: ""Out of the host of sometimes millions of people, who >individually more or less clearly and distinctly guess the truth, partly >perhaps understand it, one man [author's emphasis] must step forward in >order to form, with apodeictic force, out of the wavering world of >imagination of the great masses, granite principles, and to take up the fight >for their sole correctness, until out of the playing waves of a free world of >thought a brazen rock of uniform combination of form and will arises"" >(page 577). A very serious tone in that oratory. > Limbaugh: ""Who needs the media when they've got me? ... The >show is devoted exclusively to what I think ... [the phrase ""with half my >brain tied behind my back to make it even""] denotes the egress of mental >aptitude I require to engage and demolish liberals and others who disagree >with me ... It might take four or five years, but I'm convinced The Media >will slowly and reluctantly come around to my way of thinking, kicking >and screaming all the way."" (pages 266, 21, 299 and 273, respectively.) You neglect to mention that Mr. Limbaugh (have you ever listened to his show, BTW?) continuously encourages his audience to think for themselves rather than blindly following any media icon, himself included. You yourself mention that he makes no bones about his show being strictly about his own opinions. He also adopts a rather satirical approach, and presumes his audience to be intelligent enough to distinguish satire from seriousness (and he says as much). This is in contrast to the average mass-media show, in which the audience is treated as society's intellectual lowest common denominator. I am sure that Adolf Hitler was a master of satire; I am sure he was just kidding when he said that the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems and needed to be exterminated. >On Religion as the Basis of a Nation > Hitler: ""In this world human culture and civilization are >inseperably bound up with the existence of the Aryan. His dying-off or his >decline would again lower upon this earth the dark veils of a time without >culture ... He who dares to lay hand upon the highest image of the Lord >sins against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and helps in the >expulsion from Paradise."" (Page 581.) This is not religion, it is clearly a perverse worship of race. Since Christ was a Jew, it seems quite unlikely that Hitler's characterization of the Aryan as ""the highest image of the Lord"" fits with Christian doctrine. > Limbaugh: ""America was founded as a Judeo-Christian country ... >But our intellectual and political elites are often either hostile or >ambivalent toward religion ... People for whom belief in God is at best a >charming superstition have managed to ban prayer from the public schools >for the last thirty years. Is it only a coincidence that the quality of >American education has declined ever since?"" (pages 274-5.) Private religious schools have a vastly better record of success than publicly funded schools. American history is indeed primarily Judeo- Christian. I suppose that Mr. Limbaugh pointing out facts is equivalent to Adolf Hitler worshiping the Aryan race. I think you might be reaching just a wee bit here. >On Popular Culture as a Reason for Social Collapse > Hitler: ""The fight against the poisoning of the soul has to set in ... >One has only to look at the menus of our movie houses, vaudevilles and >theatres; and one can hardly deny that this is not the right kind of food ... >Theatre, art, literature, movies, the press, billposters and window displays >must be cleaned of the symptoms of a rotting world and put into the >service of a moral idea of State and culture."" (pages 346 and 348.) Definite suggestion that the government should control the entertainment industry here. > Limbaugh: ""Today, Hollywood is in trouble. The reason [is] that >Hollywood has forgotten who its audience is ... They make fun of people >who believe in God. They ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality >and monagamy. They disparage American heroes."" (page 254.) Just a guess here, but I don't think that Mr. Limbaugh would advocate government control of Hollywood. You should perhaps call his radio show to confirm this. I believe this is more a criticism of Hollywood and the depraved moral values it espouses, not an advocation of government control of Hollywood. 90's Liberals, on the other hand, want to have complete government control of our school systems, so that the government can teach The People at an early age the ""right"" way to view religion and morality. I believe Mr. Limbaugh is against this, as his satirical use of the ""young heads full of mush"" hyperbole indicates. >On the News Meida > Hitler: ""The activity of the so-called liberal press was the work of >gravediggers for the German people and the German Reich. One can pass >by in silence the Marxist papers of lies ... it's task is only to break the >people's folkish and national spine, in order to make it ripe for the yoke of >slavery of international capital and its masters, the Jews."" (Page 331.) Pretty strong conspiracy theory insinuated here, with an implicit plea for government power to be used to break up the conspiracy. > Limbaugh: ""Elements of The Media have jumped on the >bandwagon of leftist causes. The cynical journalist of the past has been >replaced in many cases by an enthusiastic cheerleader for causes ... During >the Gulf war, CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw [said] CNN is a global >network. We can't take sides. Cant take sides? --- --- ---! ... If they don't >realize that their freedom lies in the United States of America and that >therefore they should defend this nation, they are hopelessly misguided >and, may I suggest, flirting with megalomania."" (pages 270 and 268.) Indication here that ""Elements of the Media"" (since career is a self-selected categorization, perhaps an inferred 'larger percentage than represented in the populace at large') has a leftist bias. Doesn't sound too unreasonable. No insinuation that CNN should not report in an objective fashion, only that for reporters to say that they do not have any personal bias in the situation is disingenuous to megalomaniacal. You may disagree, and it may well be exagerrated, but it is not an unreasonable opinion; and Mr. Limbaugh goes well out of his way to make sure that his audience knows that these are his opinions, unlike most other reporting that purports to achieve perfect objectivity but in actuality will in some degree or other, in a statistical sense, reflect the biases of the reporters. Who is being disingenuous here, Mr. Shaw or Mr. Limbaugh? Again, you should ask Mr. Limbaugh himself, but I expect that he would oppose government control of the media. >* * * >To continue these comparative excerpts is certainly possible, but >ultimately too depressing to take in one reading. It is indeed depressing to see such myopia and tiresome Liberal arrogance. Liberals love to play games with paradigms as a way of discrediting people who disagree with them. Why don't you challenge conservative ideology on an intellectual level rather than engaging in ludicrous comparisons? Perhaps the underpinnings of your ideology are intellectual only in that they exist in your mind, not the real world. > After putting these books down, there is one undeniable fact that >haunts me. In the 1920s, Adolf Hitler fed depressed and frightened >Germans the opiate of hatred of those around them; in turn, it allowed >Germans to hand their collective national power to the Nazis. In the 1990s, >Rush Limbaugh is doing the very same thing: distributing hatred to >depressed and frightened Americans; in turn, it is helping the American >radical right to maintain its power base as the 12-year nightmare of the >Reagan-Bush era comes to an end, hoping to rebuild it into their hopes for >The Fascist States of America. Perhaps there are a few among the intellectually challenged who percieve Rush Limbaugh as a hate-monger, but in my experience he has been spreading laughter at the ludicrous self-importance of the Left, not hatred. As to Mr. Bush, you may be correct about his fascist economic leanings. Mr. Reagan, on the other hand, did his best to reverse the fascist trend of government involvement in business. Mr. Clinton is increasing fascism in America through ""business/government partnership"" and increased levels of taxation. Perhaps you should not have skipped your vocabulary classes in grade school. > And if Limbaugh is not as repellant a Hitler, it is only because the >radical right utilizes Limbaugh as its own gateway opiate. One can only >wonder what the ultimate drug is they plan to hook America on. Hmmm. Seems to me that Limbaugh is not in any way comparable to Hitler because he has not murdered six million Jews and many, many others out of racism. I come from a mixed-race family, so I am quite well attuned to racism; I don't hear any coming from Rush Limbaugh. The only place I hear racism coming from these days and being taken seriously is from the Liberal Left. The Liberal Left is the movement I see trying to get America hooked on the opiates of Socialized Medicine, Socialized Transportation, Socialized Education, etc. The Left already has America hopelessly addicted to that Liberal drug, the Social Security Chain Letter. It is quite clear to me that while the Hitler analogy does not really apply to either Rush Limbaugh or William Jefferson Clinton, if one of the two is closer than the other it is clearly the Fascist Clinton. >The Madison Edge can be reached at PO Box 845, Madison, WI 53701- >0845; (608) 255-4460. > >--- 30 --- This is the same address as ""Idiots Anonymous"", isn't it? Matt Freivald -------------------------------------------------------------------------- LiBORGalism: THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT. FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS IRRELEVANT. CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3611,12,"From: ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: T I H / T I S I P Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15 1.20 (running under MS-Windows) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu>, mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: > I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not >impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good >one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying >to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, >assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, >legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of >files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy >protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for >practical applications, and are merely curious? > Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I >can. May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a ""Copy protection FAQ"" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will provide the answers :-) Ketil Albertsen " 3612,14,"From: dchien@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (David H. Chien) Subject: Orbit data - help needed Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 43 I have the ""osculating elements at perigee"" of an orbit, which I need to convert to something useful, preferably distance from the earth in evenly spaced time intervals. A GSM coordinate system is preferable, but I convert from other systems. C, pascal, or fortran code, or if you can point me to a book or something that'd be great. here's the first few lines of the file. 0 () 1 (2X, A3, 7X, A30) 2 (2X, I5, 2X, A3, 2X, E24.18) 3 (4X, A3, 7X, E24.18) 1 SMA SEMI-MAJOR AXIS 1 ECC ECCENTRICITY 1 INC INCLINATION 1 OMG RA OF ASCENDING NODE 1 POM ARGUMENT OF PERICENTRE 1 TRA TRUE ANOMALY 1 HAP APOCENTRE HEIGHT 1 HPE PERICENTRE HEIGHT 2 3 BEG 0.167290000000000000E+05 3 SMA 0.829159999999995925E+05 3 ECC 0.692307999999998591E+00 3 INC 0.899999999999999858E+02 3 OMG 0.184369999999999994E+03 3 POM 0.336549999999999955E+03 3 TRA 0.359999999999999943E+03 3 HAP 0.133941270127999174E+06 3 HPE 0.191344498719999910E+05 2 1 REF 0.167317532658774153E+05 3 SMA 0.829125167527418671E+05 3 ECC 0.691472268118590319E+00 3 INC 0.899596754214342091E+02 3 OMG 0.184377521828175002E+03 3 POM 0.336683788851850579E+03 3 TRA 0.153847166458030088E-05 3 HAP 0.133866082767180880E+06 3 HPE 0.192026707383028306E+05 Thanks in advance, larry kepko lkepko@igpp.ucla.edu " 3613,9,"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division Keywords: mlb, 04.16 Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr16.163712.2466@VFL.Paramax.COM> edd@gvlf4-a.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty) writes: > >As a Philly fan as as a Penna. baseball fan, I'm anxious to see the >Penna. series. Anyone know when it starts and where the first games >will be played? > >This is (I think) always good baseball (to me); and the Pirates are >also off to a good start. > >Ed Doc When is it did you say? Well let me shell out here and run this handy dandy program.... $ mlb -m pit phi And the answer is: Monday, 5/10 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) Tuesday, 5/11 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) Wednesday, 5/12 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) Friday, 6/25 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) Saturday, 6/26 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:05 pm) Sunday, 6/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (11:35 am) Friday, 7/30 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) Saturday, 7/31 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:05 pm) Sunday, 8/ 1 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (11:35 am) Monday, 9/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) Tuesday, 9/28 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) Wednesday, 9/29 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) Thursday, 9/30 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) This is a great little program - its available at an ftp site near you (unfortunatly I don't recall which one). Any schedule question you got is answered with this little gem. Many thanks to the author for providing this service. " 3614,8,"From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes: >In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: >>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and >>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase. > >Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. Squeaky BMW riders. -- Ray Shea ""they wound like a very effective method."" UniSQL, Inc. --Leah unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu some days i miss d. boon real bad. DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT " 3615,1,"From: mbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael B. Comet) Subject: Re: HOT NEW 3D Software Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: mbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael B. Comet) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell) says: >There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called >IMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its > Well....I don't know about its competing with 3D studio, but it's pretty powerful allright. > >also....does anyone here know how to get in the Imagine mailing list?? >please e-mail me if you do or post up here.... > Yes, send e-mail to: imagine-request@email.sp.paramax.com With a header of something like subscribe. I actually work on the FAQ (frequently asked questions). We should have the new version out of it by next week, but if you want, I could e-mail you the previous one. It details what the list is etc... as well as answering basic questions about Imagine. Hope this helps! -- +======================================================================+ | Michael B. Comet - Software Engineer / Graphics Artist - CWRU | | mbc@po.CWRU.Edu - ""Silence those who oppose the freedom of speech"" | +======================================================================+ " 3616,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.050956.25141@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton. ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] writes: [KK] david Yes? [KK] give it a rest. will you ??? No. [KK] it is increasingly becoming very annoying... Barbarism is rather annoying for you, now isn't it, especially when it comes from from a country, Azerbaijan, that claims Turkey as its number one ally, protector, and mentor! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 3617,2,"From: osburn@halcyon.com (Tim Osburn) Subject: Netware 3.11 & win 3.1 fileman Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Is there a update or something that will allow a person when using novell 3.11 and windows 3.1 file manager to view the files with the name of the person who created it or changed it like the novell command ndir ? tim osburn osburn@halcyon.com -- *------------------------------------------------------------------------------*| Tim Osburn KB7GBQ osburn@halcyon.com Bellevue, Washington |*------------------------------------------------------------------------------* " 3618,12,"Subject: Pattern Generator wanted From: grimwood@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Tony Grimwood) Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand. Keywords: pattern Summary: MDA/EGA/VGA pat. gen. Lines: 15 I repair a lot of monitors here, and I'd like to know where I can get a pattern generator (or a circuit for one) that will provide MDA, EGA and VGA signals. Using a whole PC to do this takes up too much space on my bench, and is somewhat less than portable. I guess I could sit down and design something, but I don't have the time right now - any (reasonable) suggestions would be appreciated. TNX TG -- Tony Grimwood, ZL1TTG ""Make no friendship with an elephant Biomedical Engineering Services keeper, unless you have room to University of Auckland entertain an elephant."" Auckland, New Zealand == Saadi of Shiraz == " 3619,14,"From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Area Rule (was Re: Space Research Spin Off) Article-I.D.: bby.1993Apr6.064720.6920 <1pnuke$idn@access.digex.net> <1ppm7j$ip@access.digex.net> <1993Apr5.133619.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 9 In-Reply-To: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov's message of 5 Apr 93 13:36:19 -0600 Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Can somebody elaborate on ""Area Ruling"". I gather it's something to do with aerodynamics of trans-sonic planes, and can be summarised as ""Coke bottle good, Coke can bad"". Anyone provide more details, derivation etc? -- Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John ""Iron Bar"" Mackin.) " 3620,0,"From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) Subject: We don't need no stinking subjects! X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: The Loyal Order Of Keiths. Lines: 93 In article <1ql1avINN38a@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: > >>No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it. >>Think ""Cold Fusion"". > >Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you >(or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding >mating practices, etc. I don't think that these few cases are enough to >disprove the general trend of natural morality. And, again, the mating >practices need to be reexamined... So what you're saying is that your mind is made up, and you'll just explain away any differences at being statistically insignificant? >>>Try to find ""immoral"" non-mating-related activities. >>So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your ""natural morality""? > >No, but mating practices are a special case. I'll have to think about it >some more. So you'll just explain away any inconsistancies in your ""theory"" as being ""a special case"". >>>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the >>>goal of species propogation in mind. But, I am not equating the two >>>as you so think. That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the >>>natural one. >>Are you or are you not the man who wrote: >>""A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals >> follow"". > >Indeed. But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems >are not the natural one. So, the terms can not be equated. The natural >system is a subset of the objective ones. You just equated them. Re-read your own words. >>Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including >>birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that ""most animals"" have >>the capacity of being immoral? > >I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral. It isn't harmful, although >it isn't helpful either (to the mating process). And, when you say that >homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean ""bisexuality?"" A study release in 1991 found that 11% of female seagulls are lesbians. >>>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent. That is why they must >>>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them >>>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural >>>goal--but they are somewhat removed). >>Postulate: To assume; posit. > >That's right. The goals themselves aren't inherent. > >>I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the >>Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are >>the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality. > >You could, but such would contradict observations. Now, apply this last sentence of your to YOUR theory. Notice how your are contridicting observations? >>I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length >>of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and >>the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the >>third side. > >But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be >true. I don't think your postulate would be valid. You don't know much math, do you? The ability to use SAS to determine the length of the third side of the triangle is fundemental to geometry. >>Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to. In order to assume >>something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates >>work. > >Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work. You think >they don't? Or are they not good goals? Goals <> postulates. Again, if one of the ""goals"" of this ""objective/natural morality"" system you are proposing is ""survival of the species"", then homosexuality is immoral. -- =kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= =My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= " 3621,8,"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: florida.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 37 In article , dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes: |> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes: |> > Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. |> > Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 |> > |> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let |> >us know how it goes. |> > |> Daniel Matejka writes: |> Can you beat this ticket? Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen |> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up |> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon. |> The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing |> your speed. Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an |> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder ""on the officer's testimony that |> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."" *cough* *choke* WHAT?!? if a cop gave me a ticket for ""sounding"" like i was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply because ""sounding"" like speeding is ridiculous. if i was found guilty i'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer. if a cop doesn't do one of: VASCAR (from car or plane) RADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device pace me and i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court. i can accept a cop ""seeing"" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but ""he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone"" is not ""beyond a reasonable doubt"". granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured by eye??? take it to court for sure. axel " 3622,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: 'SDPA' has made ""Armenian"" synonymous with ""idiot"" or ""criminal/Nazi"". Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 208 In article <1993Apr19.000246.11186@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes: >In your (and Mutlu/Argic/Cosar's and thousands of others like you) 'SDPA.ORG' criminals/Nazis in action. Your fascist government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. And your criminal organization will not get away with the genocide's cover-up. In June 1915, a major uprising took place in Sebinkarahisar under the leadership of the famous Nazi Boyadjian. The Moslem districts were burnt down. Hundreds of soldiers and gendarmerie were killed and hundreds of civilians also perished. Armenians first of all occupied the Talori region, which included the villages of Siner, Simai, Gulli-Guzat, Ahi, Hedenk, Sinank, Ekind, Effard, Musson, Etek, Akcesser. Leaving their wives, children and property in these inaccessible spots, the Armenians joined forces with other armed bands coming from the Silvan districts in the plain of Mus, after which the whole body of 3000 men gathered in the Andok Mt. Five or six hundred wished to surround Mus, and started off by attacking the Delican tribe to the south of the city. They slaughtered a number of the tribe and seized their goods. The religious beliefs of the Muslims who fell into their hands were derided and disparaged, and the Muslims themselves murdered in the most frightful manner. The rebels also attacked the regular troops in the vicinity of Mus, but the large numbers of the regular forces prevented them from occupying the city. The rebels joined the bandits in the Andok Mts., carrying out the most frightful massacres and looting among the tribes of the neighbourhood. They burned Omer Agha's nephew alive. They raped a number of Turkish women at a spot three or four hours' distance from Gulli-Guzat and then strangled them. At the beginning of August the rebels attacked the Faninar, Bekiran and Badikan tribes, perpetrating equally horrible atrocities. The rebels in the villages of Yermut and Ealigernuk in the nahiye of Cinan in the kaza of Cal attacked the Kurds in the neighbourhood, as well as the villages of Kaisser and Catcat. Towards the end of August, the Armenians attacked the Kurds in the vicinity of Mus and burned down three or four villages, including Gulli-Guzat. As for the 3000 rebels in Talori, they continued to spread death and destruction among the Muslims and other Christian communities, refusing to lay down their arms. Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History. Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988. p. 954. ""In his speech given at the Sivas Congress, Mustafa Kemal once again drew a picture of the country under occupation: In the East, the Armenians are making preparations for advancing to the River Halys (Kizilirmak), and have already started a policy of massacring the Moslem population."" pp. 966-967. ""The situation of the southern provinces of Turkey after the signing of the Mudros Armistice is described by Ataturk in his speech: The Armenians in the south, armed by foreign troops and encouraged by the protection they enjoyed, molested the Mohammedans of their district. They pursued a relentless policy of murder and extinction everywhere. This was responsible for the tragic incident at Maras....the Armenians had completely destroyed an old Mohammedan town like Maras by their artillery and machine-gun fire. They killed thousands of innocent and defenceless women and children. The Armenians were the instigators of the atrocities, which were unique in history. Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 15,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer No: 3, File No: 520, Section No: 2024, Contents No: 11-1; 11-3. (19 Feb 330 '4 March 1915', District Governor Kemal) ""List of male inhabitants of Mergehu Village murdered or annihilated with the utmost savagery by Armenians: Names Method of Annihilation ----- ---------------------- Haci Ibrahim, son of Abdi Bullets and bayonet Abdi, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet Reso, son of Abdi Beaten and cut into pieces Sado, son of Omer Beaten and cut into pieces Aso, son of Reso Beaten and cut into pieces Kulu, son of Canko Stabbed in the eye with a bayonet Musa, son of Canko Bayonet in his eye Emin, son of Molla Hamit Bayonet in his eye Molla Abdullah, son of Hamit Bayonet in his eye Ibo, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye Sado, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye Abdullah, son of Canko Slaughtered Ibo, son of Ahmet Abdomen ripped open Ismail, son of Ibo Burnt in fire Musto, son of Ozu Bullets Mahmut, son of Seyyo Slaughtered Kocak, son of Birro Bullets Musto, son of Husnu Bullets Uso, son of Alo Bullets Maksut, son of Peri Bullets Haci, son of Peri Bullets Mehmet, son of Hasanali Bayonet Ibo, son of Hasanali Bayonet Abdo, son of Mehmed Bayonet Molla Suleyman Burnt in oven Mazgi, son of Abdullah Stabbed in abdomen by bayonet Sulis, son of Hasan Bullets Mahmo, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger Murat, son of Hasan Stabbed with a dagger Uso, son of Avci Blinded with a bayonet Lesko, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger Abdullah, son of Kasim Bullets Coban Abdullah Bullets Seymo, son of Mumin Bullets Muammer, son of Reso Bullets Paso, son of Merzi Bullets Gulu, son of Bitor Bullets Murat, son of Yusuf Bullets and bayonet Cedo, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet Faki Mehmet Bullets and bayonet Silo, son of Abdulcebbar Bullets and bayonet List of massacred females from the same village: Kasi, daughter of Huso and wife of Haci Ibrahim Bullets Fati, daughter of Isa, wife of Aduz Bullets Zeresan, daughter of Amat, wife of Reso Bayonet Gullu, daughter of Iyso Cutting off her breasts Sulnu, daughter of Sulo, Ripping open her abdomen and burning wife of Ibo her baby in oven Fatma, daughter of Ibo Slaughtered and burnt in oven Fidan hatun Burnt in oven Gulfizar, daughter of Hacihan, wife of Musto Slaughtered Rahime, daughter of Mehmet, wife of Halil Bullets Binefs, daughter of Haci Kerim, wife of Suleyman Burnt in oven Mahiye, daughter of Ali, wife of Sivno Slaughtered Hati, daughter of Haci, wife of Ahmet Slaughtered Hacer, daughter of Meho Bullet and bayonet List of Females of the same village raped and murdered: Nadire, daughter of Haci, wife of Suvis Hani, daughter of Kulu, wife of Zerko Zaliha, daughter of Telli, wife of Silo Arap, daughter of Sami, wife of Hilo Wounded males and females of the same village: (a long list) List of massacred males and females at Istuci village: Mikail, son of Alo Bullets Musto, son of Ismail Bullets Dervis, son of Maksut Bullets Ali, son of Nimet Bayonet Esat, son of Kelo Bayonet and bullets Isa, son of Nebi Bayonet and bullets Cevher, son of Gani Beaten by rifle butt Ziro, daughter of Hasan Died from injuries Hazal, daughter of Ali, wife of Acem Died from injuries Hamsa, daughter of Huseyin, wife of Huseyin Died from injuries List of raped women at Istuci village in life: Sabo, daughter of Maho Virgin Miri, other daughter of Maho Virgin Emine, daughter of Meho, wife of Sofi Salih Sahap, daughter of Ali, wife of Nevruz Gullu, daughter of Mahi Virgin List of persons attacked by Armenian gangs: (a long list)"" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3623,12,"From: berryh@huey.udel.edu (John Berryhill, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu Organization: little scraps of paper, mostly Lines: 13 The object of a cooling tower is to distribute dissolved salts in cooling water over large areas of farmland and to therefore decrease farm subsidies for non-producers by rendering their land infertile. A side effect of this deficit-reduction program is that they provide a low-T reservoir for a variety of industrial processes. Now you know. -- John Berryhill " 3624,2,"Subject: Re: Win31 & doublespace From: edowdy@vax1.umkc.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu Lines: 33 In article <4363@hpwala.wal.hp.com>, chrisa@hpwarr.hp.com ( Chris Almy) writes: > > Doublespace, although I do not trust it for my hard disks, sounds > great for floppies. The thouoght of having to mount the disk > is anoying but something I can deal with. The problem arises > when under windows. Is there a way to mount and unmount while > under windows or is this part of the upgrades soon to be > available from other vendors? > > .Chris I can't see why you would not trust it because it is safer than any previous compression programs. It integrates into the kernal and makes it nearly impossible to delete. " 3625,16,"From: paull@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Robert Paull) Subject: Re: Waco dates - are these coincidental? Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 50 Richard Cower (cower@csli.stanford.edu) wrote: : : I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it, : and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part : in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even : suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the : context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda, : as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof : might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests : for sufficient fire power. : : Important dates: : Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban. : Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked. : : On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon : ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate : in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have : an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated : agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or : some: group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were : initially : at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent : on ""Street Stories"" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to ""get : ready fast"", as ""they know we are coming"". I believe this attack continued, : even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top : down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to : come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely. : : ...rich I don't know Rich. Last year when the congress was debating the Bushmans 'Crime Bill', the incident at Lubys' cafe occured. Most of the anti-gun crap was amended out of the bill anyway. Could a president 'order': go find some 'assault weapons' and bring the media"". I hope not. Frankly, the Toon-meister* scares me. Of course having a Democratic majority in congress doesn't help. (Apologies to all Demos' who support RKBA) ( *definition: toon-meister - a characatureic name for the current president of the U.S.: Clinton aka, Clintoon aka Toon-meister.) Rob P. " 3626,11,"From: dgr@ENG.Vitalink.COM (Daniel Robinson) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Nntp-Posting-Host: rodin.eng.vitalink.com Organization: Vitalink Communications / Network Systems Corp., Fremont, CA Distribution: na Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: +In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: +>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American +>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of + +Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN +CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. +It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals +to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Hmmm, this could become a flame war very quickly. The text is ""...well regulated militia..."" When that amendment was written and approved, ""regulated"" meand ""armed"". Remember all of those Westerns where bounty hunters were called ""regulators""? This is now an archaic usage of the word, but the original intent of the amendment was about weapons, not control. My $0.02. Dan Robinson " 3627,2,"From: herrod@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Herrod) Subject: MEWIN Latex Help Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 9 I posted this to the apps group and didn't get any response, so I'll try here. I am trying to use the latex help feature available in emacs for windows and read that you need a separate latexhlp.zip file along with a vms2hlp.zip file to convert this to windows help. Has anyone found these files or gotten this command help to work? Thanks, Steve Herrod " 3628,7,"From: sehrlich@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Scott R. Ehrlich) Subject: Help find Stolen Car Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 25 I offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without Internet access: His name is Robert (Bob) Wondolowski, N1KDA, and his car was a 1985 Brown Cutlas Sierra Sedan, Massachusetts plate 716ADL. His HT (Yaesu FT415) and mobile antenna were also included in the car. It was stolen from Lynn, Mass. about 10 days ago (being on April 6). If anyone has any information about the car's whereabouts, please e-mail me. Thank you for taking the time to read this message. =============================================================================== | Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com | | Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na | =============================================================================== -- =============================================================================== | Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com | | Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na | =============================================================================== " 3629,8,"From: s851708@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (John Edmond Auckett) Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes Article-I.D.: escargot.1qogjaINN41f Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Dogs will chase anything that moves. I have two dogs and they love chasing me when I ride off. They will also chase any car that passes , running along the footpath/sidewalk at up to 60kph. They don't seem to go after trucks though, the size difference must be a factor. It also works in my favour though, I can exercise them quite easily by riding 1/2 mile up the road and back a few times. JA (s851708@minyos.rmit.oz.au) " 3630,19,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 58 In tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: |Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it. Please cite your evidence that he was intending to use it. |You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do |you? Why not? |If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear. Check the sig. |The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the |individual. Society does not have rights only individuals have rights. |Go ahead, call me a commie, OK, your a commie. |but you'd be singing a different |tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. You think you have a right to rape anyone? No wonder you don't care about the rightws of others. |He broke the law, Please indicate which law you feel Koresh broke, and when was he convicted of said crime. |he was a threat to society, So you feel that owning guns makes him a threat to society. When are y ou going to start going after knives and baseball bats as well. Or do you feel that someone who spouts unpopular ideas is by definition a threat to society. |they did there job - simple. It is simple if you think that there job is to assualt civilians. |> Support your First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth |>Amendment rights, lest they be taken away from you just as the FBI did |>to the Davidians. Think about it. |I'll support them all (except no. 2) In other words you don't support any of them. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 3631,14,"Subject: Space FAQ 01/15 - Introduction From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:53:44 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 310 Archive-name: space/intro Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:10 $ FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ON SCI.SPACE/SCI.ASTRO INTRODUCTION This series of linked messages is periodically posted to the Usenet groups sci.space and sci.astro in an attempt to provide good answers to frequently asked questions and other reference material which is worth preserving. If you have corrections or answers to other frequently asked questions that you would like included in this posting, send email to leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech). If you don't want to see the FAQ, add 'Frequently Asked Questions' to your KILL file for this group (if you're not reading this with a newsreader that can kill articles by subject, you're out of luck). The FAQ volume is excessive right now and will hopefully be trimmed down by rewriting and condensing over time. The FAQ postings are available in the Ames SPACE archive in FAQ/faq<#>. Good summaries will be accepted in place of the answers given here. The point of this is to circulate existing information, and avoid rehashing old answers. Better to build on top than start again. Nothing more depressing than rehashing old topics for the 100th time. References are provided because they give more complete information than any short generalization. Questions fall into three basic types: 1) Where do I find some information about space? Try your local public library first. The net is not a good place to ask for general information. Ask INDIVIDUALS (by email) if you must. There are other sources, use them, too. The net is a place for open ended discussion. 2) I have an idea which would improve space flight? Hope you aren't surprised, but 9,999 out of 10,000 have usually been thought of before. Again, contact a direct individual source for evaluation. NASA fields thousands of these each day. 3) Miscellanous queries. These are addressed on a case-by-case basis in the following series of FAQ postings. SUGGESTIONS FOR BETTER NETIQUETTE Read news.announce.newusers if you're on Usenet. Minimize cross references, [Do you REALLY NEED to?] Edit ""Subject:"" lines, especially if you're taking a tangent. Send mail instead, avoid posting follow ups. (1 mail message worth 100 posts). Internet mail readers: send requests to add/drop to SPACE-REQUEST not SPACE. Read all available articles before posting a follow-up. (Check all references.) Cut down attributed articles (leave only the points you're responding to; remove signatures and headers). Summarize! Put a return address in the body (signature) of your message (mail or article), state your institution, etc. Don't assume the 'reply' function of mailers will work. Use absolute dates. Post in a timely way. Don't post what everyone will get on TV anyway. Some editors and window systems do character count line wrapping: keep lines under 80 characters for those using ASCII terminals (use carriage returns). INDEX TO LINKED POSTINGS I've attempted to break the postings up into related areas. There isn't a keyword index yet; the following lists the major subject areas in each posting. Only those containing astronomy-related material are posted to sci.astro (indicated by '*' following the posting number). # Contents 1* Introduction Suggestions for better netiquette Index to linked postings Notes on addresses, phone numbers, etc. Contributors 2* Network resources Overview Mailing lists Periodically updated information Warning about non-public networks 3* Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. Introduction Viewing Images Online Archives NASA Ames NASA Astrophysics Data System NASA Jet Propulsion Lab (Mission Information and Images) NASA Langley (Technical Reports) NASA Spacelink National Space Science Data Center Space Telescope Science Institute Electronic Info. Service Starcat Astronomical Databases Astronomy Programs Orbital Element Sets SPACE Digest Landsat & NASA Photos Planetary Maps Cometary Orbits 4* Performing calculations and interpreting data formats Computing spacecraft orbits and trajectories Computing planetary positions Computing crater diameters from Earth-impacting asteroids Map projections and spherical trignometry Performing N-body simulations efficiently Interpreting the FITS image format Sky (Unix ephemeris program) Three-dimensional star/galaxy coordinates 5* References on specific areas Publishers of space/astronomy material Careers in the space industry DC-X single-stage to orbit (SSTO) program How to name a star after a person LLNL ""great exploration"" Lunar Prospector Lunar science and activities Orbiting Earth satellite histories Spacecraft models Rocket propulsion Spacecraft design Esoteric propulsion schemes (solar sails, lasers, fusion...) Spy satellites Space shuttle computer systems SETI computation (signal processing) Amateur satellies & weather satellites Tides 6* Constants and equations for calculations 7* Astronomical Mnemonics 8 Contacting NASA, ESA, and other space agencies/companies NASA Centers / Arianespace / ESA / NASDA / Soyuzkarta / Space Camp / Space Commerce Corporation / Spacehab / SPOT Image Other commercial space businesses 9 Space shuttle answers, launch schedules, TV coverage Shuttle launchings and landings; schedules and how to see them Why does the shuttle roll just after liftoff? How to receive the NASA TV channel, NASA SELECT Amateur radio frequencies for shuttle missions Solid Rocket Booster fuel composition 10 Planetary probes - Historical Missions US planetary missions Mariner (Venus, Mars, & Mercury flybys and orbiters) Pioneer (Moon, Sun, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn flybys and orbiters) Ranger (Lunar lander and impact missions) Lunar Orbiter (Lunar surface photography) Surveyor (Lunar soft landers) Viking (Mars orbiters and landers) Voyager (Outer planet flybys) Soviet planetary missions Soviet Lunar probes Soviet Venus probes Soviet Mars probes Japanese planetary missions Planetary mission references 11 Upcoming planetary probes - missions and schedules Cassini Galileo Magellan Mars Observer TOPEX/Poseidon Ulysses Other space science missions Proposed missions 12 Controversial questions What happened to the Saturn V plans Why data from space missions isn't immediately available Risks of nuclear (RTG) power sources for space probes Impact of the space shuttle on the ozone layer How long can a human live unprotected in space How the Challenger astronauts died Using the shuttle beyond Low Earth Orbit The ""Face on Mars"" 13 Space activist/interest/research groups and space publications Groups Publications Undocumented Groups 14 How to become an astronaut 15 Orbital and Planetary Launch Services NOTES ON ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS, ETC. Unless otherwise specified, telephone numbers, addresses, and so on are for the United States of America. Non-US readers should remember to add the country code for telephone calls, etc. CREDITS Eugene Miya started a series of linked FAQ postings some years ago which inspired (and was largely absorbed into) this set. Peter Yee and Ron Baalke have and continue to spend a lot of their own time setting up the SPACE archives at NASA Ames and forwarding official NASA announcements. Many other people have contributed material to this list in the form of old postings to sci.space and sci.astro which I've edited. Please let me know if corrections need to be made. Contributors I've managed to keep track of are: 0004847546@mcimail.com (Francis Reddy) - map projections ad038@yfn.ysu.edu (Steven Fisk) - publication refs. akerman@bill.phy.queensu.CA (Richard Akerman) - crater diameters alweigel@athena.mit.edu (Lisa Weigel) - SEDS info aoab314@emx.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur) - tides awpaeth@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Alan Wm Paeth) - map projections aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) - Great Exploration baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) - planetary probe schedules bankst@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Timothy Banks) - map projections, variable star analysis archive bern@uni-trier.de (Jochen Bern) - German mnemonic translation brosen@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Bernie Rosen) - Space Camp bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger) - FITS format cew@venera.isi.edu (Craig E. Ward) - space group contact info chapin@cbnewsc.att.com (Tom Chapin) - planetary positions cunnida@tenet.edu (D. Alan Cunningham) - NASA Spacelink cyamamot@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Cliff Yamamoto) - orbital elements datri@convex.com (Anthony Datri) - PDS/VICAR viewing software daver@sjc.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) - orbit formulae dlbres10@pc.usl.edu (Phil Fraering) - propulsion eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) - Saturn V plans, SRBs eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) - introduction, NASA contact info, started FAQ postings french@isu.isunet.edu (Patrick M. French) - space group contact info g@telesoft.com (Gary Morris) - amateur radio info gaetz@cfa.harvard.edu (Terry Gaetz) - N-body calculations, orbital dynamics grandi@noao.edu (Steve Grandi) - planetary positions greer%utd201.dnet%utadnx@utspan.span.nasa.gov (Dale M. Greer) - constants henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) - survival in vacuum, astronaut how-to, Challenger disaster, publication refs, DC-X higgins@fnal.bitnet (William Higgins) - RTGs, publishers, shuttle landings, spysats, propulsion, ""Face on Mars"" hmueller@cssun.tamu.edu (Hal Mueller) - map projections, orbital dynamics jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) - launch services jim@pnet01.cts.com (Jim Bowery) - propulsion, launch services jnhead@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu (James N. Head) - atmospheric scale heights jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu (Jim Scotti) - planetary positions kcarroll@zoo.toronto.edu (Kieran A. Carroll)- refs for spacecraft design ken@orion.bitnet (Kenneth Ng) - RTGs kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Ken Jenks) - shuttle roll manuever klaes@verga.enet.dec.com (Larry Klaes) - planetary probe history leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) - crater diameters lfa@ssi.com (Lou Adornato) - orbital dynamics maury.markowitz@egsgate.fidonet.org (Maury Markowitz) - propulsion max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis) - equations mbellon@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM - N-body calculations mcconley@phoenix.Princeton.edu (Marc Wayne Mcconley) - space careers msb@sq.com (Mark Brader) - Mariner 1 info. mwm@cmu.edu (Mark Maimone) - SPACE Digest nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Dr. Nick Watkins) - models, spysats ohainaut@eso.org (Olivier R. Hainaut) - publishers, STARCAT oneil@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Graham O'Neil) - Lunar Prospector panama@cup.portal.com (Kenneth W Durham) - cometary orbits, IAU paul.blase@nss.fidonet.org (Paul Blase) - propulsion pjs@plato.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Scott) - RTGs pschleck@unomaha.edu (Paul W. Schleck) - AMSAT, ARRL contact info rdb@mel.cocam.oz.au (Rodney Brown) - propulsion refs rja7m@phil.cs.virginia.edu (Ran Atkinson) - FTPable astro. programs rjungcla@ihlpb.att.com (R. Michael Jungclas)- models roelle@sigi.jhuapl.edu (Curt Roelle) - German mnemonic translation seal@leonardo.jpl.nasa.gov (David Seal) - Cassini mission schedule shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) - photos, shuttle landings smith@sndpit.enet.dec.com (Willie Smith) - photos stephen@gpwd.gp.co.nz (Stephen Dixon) - shuttle audio frequencies sterner@warper.jhuapl.edu (Ray Sterner) - planetary positions stooke@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (Phil Stooke) - planetary maps ted_anderson@transarc.com (Ted Anderson) - propulsion terry@astro.as.utexas.edu (Terry Hancock) - NASA center info thorson@typhoon.atmos.coloState.edu (Bill Thorson) - FITS info tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd L. Masco) - SPACE Digest tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) - refs for algorithms veikko.makela@helsinki.fi (Veikko Makela) - orbital element sets Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org (Wales Larrison) - groups & publications wayne@csri.utoronto.ca (Wayne Hayes) - constants weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) - Voyager history yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp (Yoshiro Yamada) - ISAS/NASDA missions yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter Yee) - AMES archive server, propulsion In Net memoriam: Ted Flinn NEXT: FAQ #2/15 - Network Resources " 3632,8,"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: |> hello there |> ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly |> comment on its handling . I remember a commercial for some cheap, top- heavy import cage a while back, where the driver says while wearing a stuck-up fake TV anouncers smile: ""It Really goes Straight!"" It fits. " 3633,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernali Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 46 JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, JS>doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote: JS>> JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl? JS> How about a Geeky temporary tatoo? I mean, why should the JS> RUBs be exempt from a little razzing. That's sick! I want! You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone! The cheesy ""Live to Ride"" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early or mid May.) Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae? Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really worse. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . JS>==================================================== JS>John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona JS> All standard disclaimers apply. * SLMR 2.1a * If Lucas built weapons, wars wouldn't start, either. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 3634,1,"From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 3/3] Lines: 1529 Reply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis) Organization: National Technical Univ. of Athens Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part3 Last-modified: 1993/04/17 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 3/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 17 April 1993 11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files ====================================================== DEMs (Digital Elevation Models) ------------------------------- DEMs (Digital Elevation Models) as well as other cartographic data [huge] is available from spectrum.xerox.com [192.70.225.78], /pub/map. Contact: Lee Moore -- Webster Research Center, Xerox Corp. -- Voice: +1 (716) 422 2496 Arpa, Internet: Moore.Wbst128@Xerox.Com [ Check also on ncgia.ucsb.edu (128.111.254.105), /pub/dems -- nfotis ] Many of these files are also available on CD-ROM selled by USGS: ""1:2,000,000 scale Digital Line Graph (DLG) Data"". Contains datas for all 50 states. Price is about $28, call to or visit in offices in Menlo Park, in Reston, Virginia (800-USA-MAPS). The Data User Services Division of the Bureau of the Census also has data on CD-ROM (TSO standard format) that is derived from USGS 1:100,000 map data. Call (301) 763-4100 for more info or they have a BBS at (301) 763-1568. [ From Dr.Dobbs #198 March 1993: ] ""The U.S. Defense Mapping Agency, in cooperation with their counterpart agencies in CANADA, the U.K., and Australia, have released the Digital Chart of the World (DCW). This chart consists of over 1.5 gigabytes of reasonable quality vector data distributed on four CD-ROMS. .... includes coastlines, rivers, roads, railrays, airports,cities, towns, spot elevations, and depths, and over 100,000 place names."" It is ISO9660 compatible and only $200.00 available from: U.S. Geological Survey P.O. Box 25286 Denver Federal Center Denver, CO 80225 Digital Distribution Services Energy, Mines, and Resources Canada 615 Booth Street Ottawa, ON K1A 0E9 Canada Director General of Military Survey (Survey 3) Elmwood Avenue Feltham, Middlesex TW13 7AH United Kingdom Director of Survey, Australian Army Department of Defense Campbell Park Offices (CP2-4-24) Campbell ACT 2601 Australia Fractal Landscape Generators ---------------------------- Public Domain: Many people have written fractal landscape generators. for example for the Mac some of these generators were written by pdbourke@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Paul D. Bourke). Many of the programs are available from the FTP sites and mail archive servers. Check with Archie. Commercial: Vista Pro 3.0 for the Amiga from Virtual Reality Labs -- list price is about $100. Their address is: VRL 2341 Ganador court San Luis Obispo, CA 93401 Telephone or FAX (805) 545-8515 Scenery Animator (also for the Amiga) is of the same caliber with Vista Pro 2. Check with: Natural Graphics P.O. Box 1963 Raklin, CA 95677 Phone (916) 624-1436 Don't forget to ask about companion programs and data disks/tapes. Vista Pro 3 has been ported to the PCs. CIA World Map II ---------------- [ NOTE: this database is quite out of date, and not topologically structured. If you need a standard for world cartographic data, wait for the Digital Chart of the World. This 1:1M database has been produced from the Defense Mapping Agency's ONCs and will be available, together with searching and viewing software, on a number of CD-ROMs later this summer. ] Check into HANAUMA.STANFORD.EDU and UCSD.EDU (see ftp list above) The CIA database consists of coastlines, rivers and political boundaries in the form of line strokes. Also on hanauma.stanford.edu is a 720x360 array of elevation data, containing one ieee floating point number for every half degree longitude and latitude. A program for decoding the database, mfil, can be found on the machine pi1.arc.umn.edu (137.66.130.11). There's another program, which reads a compressed CIA Data Bank file and builds a PHIGS hierachical structure. It uses a PHIGS extension known as polyline sets for performance, but you can use regular polylines. Ask Joe Stewart . The raw data at Stanford require the vplot package to be able to view it. (was posted in comp.sources.unix). To be more exact, you'll have to compile just the libvplot routines, not the whole package. NCAR data --------- NCAR (National Center for Atmospheric Research) has many types of terrain data, ranging from elevation datasets at various resolutions, to information about soil types, vegetation, etc. This data is not free -- they charge from $40 to $90 or more, depending on the data volume and media (exabyte tape, 3480 cartridge, 9-track tape, IBM PC floppy, and FTP transfer are all available). Their data archive is mostly research oriented, not hobbyist oriented. For more information, email to ilana@ncar.ucar.edu. UNC data tapes with voxel data -------------- There are 2 ""public domain"" tapes with data for the comparison and testing of various volume rendering algorithms (mainly MRI and CT scans). These tapes are distributed by the SoftLab of UNC @ Chapel Hill. (softlab@cs.unc.edu) The data sets (volume I and II) are also available via anonymous FTP from omicron.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159] in pub/softlab/CHVRTD NASA ---- Many US agencies such as NASA publish CD-ROMs with many altimetry data from various space missions, eg. Viking for Mars, Magellan for Venus, etc. Especially for NASA, I would suggest to call the following address for more info: National Space Science Date Center Goddard Space Flight Center Greenbelt, Maryland 20771 Telephone: (301) 286-6695 Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online. Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.10.4) and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop). At the ""Enter Number:"" prompt, enter MD and carriage return. When the system responds ""Call Complete,"" enter a few more carriage returns to get the ""Username:"" and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). NSSDCA is also an anonymous FTP site, but no comprehensive list of what's there is available at present. Earth Sciences Data ------------------- There's a listing of anonymous FTP sites for earth science data, including imagery. This listing is called ""Earth Sciences Resources on Internet"", and you can get it via anonymous FTP from csn.org [128.138.213.21] in the directory COGS under the name ""internet.resources.earth.sci"" Some sites include: aurelie.soest.hawaii.edu [128.171.151.121]: pub/avhrr/images - AVHRR images ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM - images from Magellan and Viking missions etc. pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the whole archive (the index is about 200K by itself). There's also an e-mail server for the people without Internet access: send a letter to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like: send SPACE Index send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91 (Capitalization is important! Only text files are handled by the email server at present) vab02.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.23.47]: pub/gifs/misc/landsat - Landsat photos in GIF and JPEG format [ It was shut down - nfotis; anyone has a copy of this archive?? ] Others ------ Daily values of river discharge, streamflow, and daily weather data is available from EarthInfo, 5541 Central Ave., Boulder CO 80301. These disks are expensive, around $500, but there are quantity discounts. (303) 938-1788. Check vmd.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.98], the wx directory carries data regarding surface analysis, weather radar, and sat view pics in GIF format (updated hourly) pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217] is the Space and Planetary Image Facility (located on the University of New Mexico campus) FTP server. It provides Anonymous FTP access to >150 CD-ROMS with data/images. A disk with earthquake data, topography, gravity, geopolitical info is available from NGDC (National Geophysical Data Center), 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303. (303) 497-6958. EOSAT (at least in the US) now sells Landsat MSS data older than two years old for $200 per scene, and they have been talking about a similar deal for Landsat TM data. The MSS data are 4 bands, 80 meter resolution. Check out anonymous FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu in UNIX/PolyView/alpha-shape for a tool that creates convex hulls alpha-shapes (a generalization of the convex hull) from 3D point sets. The GRIPS II (Gov. Raster Image Processing Software) CD-ROM is available from CD-ROM Inc. at 1-800-821-5245 for $49. Code for viewing ADRG (Arc Digitised Raster Graphics) files is available on the GRIPS II CD-ROM. The U.S. Army Engineer Topographic Labs (Juan Perez) code is also available via FTP ( adrg.zip archive in spectrum.xerox.com ) NRCC range data --------------- Rioux M., Cournoyer L. ""The NRCC Three-Dimensional Image Data Files"", Tech. Report, CNRC 29077, National Research Council Canada, Ottawa, Canada, 1988 [ From what I understand, these data are from a laser range finder, and you can a copy for research purposes ] ========================================================================== 12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data =================================== a. Cyberware Labs, Monterey, CA, manufactures a 3D color laser digitizer which can be used to model parts of, or a complete, human body. They run a service bureau also, so they can digitize models for you. Address: Cyberware Labs, Inc 8 Harris Ct, Suite 3D Monterey, CA 93940 Phone: (408)373-1441, Fax: (408)373-3582 b. Polhemus makes a 6D input device (actually a couple of models) that senses position (3D) and *orientation* (+3D) based on electromagnetic field interference. This equipment is also incorporated in the VPL Dataglove. This hardware is also called ISOTRACK, from Keiser Aerospace. Ascension Technology makes a similar 3D input device. There is a company, Applied Sciences(?), that makes a 3D input device (position only) based on speed of sound triangulation. c. A company that specializes in digitizing is Viewpoint. You can ask for Viewpoint's _free_ 100 page catalog full of ready to ship datasets from categories such as cars, anatomy, aircraft,sports, boats, trains, animals and others. Though these objects are quite expensive, the cataloge is nevertheless of interest for it has pictures of all the available objects in wireframe , polygon mesh. Contact: Viewpoint, 870 West Center, Orem, Utah 84057 ph# 801-224-2222 fax# 801-224-2272 1-800-DATASET ------ Some addresses for companies that make digitizers: Ascension Technology Bird, Flock of Birds, Big Bird: 6d trackers P.O. Box 527, Burlington, VT 05402 Phone: (802) 655-7879, Fax: (802) 655-5904 Polhemus Incorporated Digitizer: 6d trackers P.O. Box 560, Hercules Dr. Colchester, Vt. 05446 Tel: (802) 655-3159 Logitech Inc. Red Baron, ultrasonic 6D mouse 6506 Kaiser Dr. Freemont, CA 94555 Tel: (415) 795-8500w Shooting Star Technology Mechanical Headtracker 1921 Holdom Ave. Burnaby, B.C. Canada V5B 3W4 Tel: (604) 298-8574 Fax: (604) 298-8580 Spaceball Technologies, Inc. Spaceball: 6d stationary input device 600 Suffolk Street Lowell, MA, 01854 Tel: (508) 970-0330 Fax: (508) 970-0199 Tel in Mountain View: (415) 966-8123 Transfinite Systems Gold Brick: PowerGlove for Macintosh P.O. Box N MIT Branch Post Office Cambridge, MA 02139-0903 Tel: (617) 969-9570 email: D2002@AppleLink.Apple.com VPL Research, Inc. EyePhone: head-mounted display DataGlove: glove/hand input device VPL Research Inc. 950 Tower Lane 14th Floor Foster City, CA 94404 Tel: (415) 312-0200 Fax: (415) 312-9356 SimGraphics Engineering Flying Mouse: 6d input device 1137 Huntington Rd. Suite A-1 South Pasadena, CA 91030-4563 (213) 255-0900 ======================================================================== 13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles ========================================= First, check in the FTP places that are mentioned in the FAQ or in the FTP list above. 24-bit scanning: ---------------- Get a good 24-bit scanner, like Epson's. Suggested is an SCSI port for speed. Eric Haines had a suggestion in RT News, Volume 4, #3 : scan textures for wallpapers and floor coverings, etc. from doll house supplies. So you have a rather cheap way to scan patterns that don't have scaling troubles associated with real materials and scanning area. Books with textures: -------------------- Find some houses/books/magazines that carry photographic material. Educorp, 1-619-536-9999, sells CD-ROMS with various imagery - also a wide variety of stock art is available. Stock art from big-name stock art houses, such as Comstock, UNIPHOTO, and Metro Image Base, is available. In Italy, there's a company called Belvedere that makes such books for the purpose of clipping their pages for inclusion in your graphics work. Their address is: Edition Belvedere Co. Ltd., 00196 Rome Italy, Piazzale Flaminio, 19 Tel. (06) 360-44-88, Fax (06) 360-29-60 Texture Libraries: ------------------ a. Mannikin Sceptre Graphics announced TexTiles, a set of 256x256 24-bit textures. Initial shipments in 24-bit IFF (for Amigas), soon in 24-bit TIFF format. Algorithmically built for tiled surfaces. SRP is $40 / volume (each volume = 40 images @ 10 disks). Demo disks for $5 are available. Contact: Mannikin Sceptre Graphics 1600 Indiana Ave. Winter Park, FL 32789 Phone: (407) 384-9484 FAX: (407) 647-7242 b. ESSENCE is a library of 65 (sixty-five) new algoritmic textures for Imagine by Impulse, Inc. These textures are FULLY compatible with the floating point versions of Imagine 2.0, Imagine 1.1, and even Turbo Silver. Written by Steve Worley. For more info contact: Essence Info Apex Software Publishing 405 El Camino Real Suite 121 Menlo Park CA 94025 USA [ What about Texture City ?? ] ========================================================================== 14. Introduction to rendering algorithms ======================================== a. Ray-Tracing: --------------- I assume you have a general understanding of Computer Graphics. No? Then read some of the books that the FAQ contains. For Ray-Tracing, I would suggest: An Introduction to Ray Tracing, Andrew Glassner (ed.), Academic Press 1989, ISBN 0-12-286160-4 Note that I have not read the book, but I feel that you can't be wrong using his book. An errata list was posted in comp.graphics by Eric Haines (erich@eye.com) There's a more concise reference also: Roman Kuchkuda , UNC @ Chapel Hill: ""An Introduction to Ray Tracing"", in ""Theoretical Foundations for Computer Graphics and CAD"", ed. R.A.E.Earnshaw, NATO AS, Vol. F-40., pp. 1039-1060. Printed by Springer-Verlag, 1988. It contains code for a small, but fundamentally complete ray-tracer. b. Z-buffer (depth-buffer) -------------------------- A good reference is: _Procedural Elements for Computer Graphics_, David F. Rogers, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1985, pages 265-272 and 280-284. c. Others: ---------- ??? [ More info is needed -- nfotis ] ======================================================================== 15. Where can I find the geometric data for the: ================================================ a. Teapot ? ----------- ""Displays on Display"" column of IEEE CG&A Jan '87 has the whole story about origin of the Martin Newell's teapot. The article also has the bezier patch model and a Pascal program to display the wireframe model of the teapot. IEEE CG&A Sep '87 in Jim Blinn's column ""Jim Blinn's Corner"" describes an another way to model the teapot; Bezier curves with rotations for example are used. The OFF and SPD packages have these objects, so you're advised to get them to avoid typing the data yourself. The OFF data is triangles at a specific resolution (around 8x8[x4 triangles] meshing per patch). The SPD package provides the spline patch descriptions and performs a tessellation at any specified resolution. b. Space Shuttle ? ------------------ Tolis Lerios has built a list of Space Shuttle datafiles. Here's a summary (From his sci.space list): model1: A modified version of the newsgroup model (model2) 406 vertices (296 useful, i.e. referred to in the polygon descriptions.) 389 polygons (233 3-vertex, 146 4-vertex, 7 5-vertex, 3 6-vertex). Payload doors non-existent. Units: unknown. Simon Marshall (S.Marshall@sequent.cc.hull.ac.uk) has a copy. He said there is no proprietary information associated with it. model2: The newsgroup model, in OFF format. You can find it in gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au , file pub/off/objects/shuttle.geo hanauma.stanford.edu , /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics/objects/shuttle.data model3: The triangles' model. This model is stored in several files, each defining portions of the model. Greg Henderson (henders@infonode.ingr.com) has a copy. He did not mention any restriction on the model's distribution. model4: The NASA model. The file starts off with a header line containing three real numbers, defining the offsets used by Lockheed in their simulations: From then on, the file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions 3473 vertices. 2748 polygons (407 3-vertex, 2268 4-vertex, 33 5-vertex, 14 6-vertex, 10 7-vertex, 8 8-vertex, 8 12-vertex, 2 13-vertex, 2 15-vertex, 17 16-vertex, 2 17-vertex, 2 18-vertex, 3 19-vertex, 8 24-vertex). Payload doors closed. Units: inches. Jon Berndt (jon@l14h11.jsc.nasa.gov) seems to be responsible for the model Proprietary info: unknown model5: The old shuttle model. The file consists of a sequence of polygon descriptions. 104 vertices. 452 polygons (11 3-vertex, 41 4-vertex). Payload doors open. Units: meters. We have been using this model at STAR Labs, Stanford University, for some years now. Contact me (tolis@nova.stanford.edu) or my supervisor Scott Williams (scott@star5.stanford.edu) if you want a copy. ======================================================================== 16. Image annotation software ============================= a. Touchup runs in Sunview and is pretty good. It reads in rasterfiles, but even if your image isn't normally stored in rasterfile format you could use screendump to make it a rasterfile. b. Idraw (part of Stanford's InterViews distribution) can handle some image formats in addition to being a MacDraw like tool. I'm not sure exactly what they are. You can ftp the idraw's binary from interviews.stanford.edu. c. Tgif is another MacDraw like tool that can handle X11 bitmap (xbm) and X11 pixmap (xpm) formats. If the image you have is in formats other than xbm or xpm, you can get the pbmplus toolkit to convert things like gif or even some Macintosh formats to xpm. Tgif's sources are available in the pub directory on cs.ucla.edu (Version 2.12 of tgif at patchlevel 7 plus patch8 and patch9) d. Use the editimage facility of KHOROS (see below). This is just one utility in the overall system- you can essentially do all your image processing and macdraw-type graphics using this package. e. You might be able to get by with PBMPlus. pbmtext gives you text output bitmaps which can be overlaid on top of your image. f. 'ice' requires Sun hardware running OpenWindows 3.It's a PostScript-based graphical editor,and it's available for anonymous ftp from Internet host eo.soest.hawaii.edu (128.171.151.12). Requires Sun C++ 2.0 and two other locally developed packages, the LXT library (an Xlib-based toolkit) and a small C++ class library. All files (pub/ice.tar.Z, pub/lxt.tar.Z and pub/ldgoc++.tar.Z) are available in compressed tar format. pub/ice.tar.Z contains a README that gives installation instructions, as well as an extensive man page (ice.1). A statically-linked compressed executable pub/ice-sun4.Z for SPARC systems is also available for ftp. All software is the property of Columbia University and may not be redistributed without permission. ice means Image Composition Environment and it's an imaging tool that allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript rasterizing. g. Use ImageMagick to annotate an image from your X server. Pick the position of your text with the cursor and choose your font and pen color from a pull-down menu. ImageMagick can read and write many of the more popular image formats. ImageMagick is available as export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z or at your nearest X11 archive. ======================================================================== 17. Scientific visualization stuff ================================== X Data Slice (xds) ------------------- Bundled with the X11 distribution from MIT, in the contrib directory. Available at ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50] (either as a source or binaries for various platforms). National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) Tool Suite ----------------------------------------------------------------- Platforms: Unix Workstations (DEC, IBM, SGI, Sun) Apple MacIntosh Cray supercomputers Availability: Now available. Source code in the public domain. FTP from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Contact: National Center for Supercomputing Applications Computing Applications Building 605 E. Springfield Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 Cost: Free (zero dollars). The suite includes tools for 2D image and 3D scene analysis and visualization. The code is actively maintained and updated. Spyglass -------- They sell commercial versions of the NCSA tools. Examples are: Spyglass Dicer (3D volumetric data analysis package) Platform: Mac Spyglass Transform (2D data analysis package) Platforms: Mac, SGI, Sun, DEC, HP, IBM Contact: Spyglass, Inc. P.O. Box 6388 Champaign, IL 61826 (217) 355-6000 KHOROS 1.0 Patch 5 ------------------ Available via anonymous ftp at pprg.eece.unm.edu (129.24.24.10). cd to /pub/khoros to see what is available. It is HUGE (> 100 MB), but good. Needs Unix and X11R4. Freely copied (NOT PD), complete with sources and docs. Very extensive and at its heart is visual programming. Khoros components include a visual programming language, code generators for extending the visual language and adding new application packages to the system, an interactive user interface editor, an interactive image display package, an extensive library of image and signal processing routines, and 2D/3D plotting packages. See comp.soft-sys.khoros on Usenet and the relative FAQ for more info.... Contact: The Khoros Group Room 110 EECE Dept. University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 Email: khoros-request@chama.eece.unm.edu MacPhase -------- Analysis & Visualization Application for the Macintosh. Operates on 1D and 2D data arrays. Import/Export several different file formats. Several different plotting options such as gray scale, color raster, 3D Wire frame, 3D surface, contour, vector, line, and combinations. FFTs, filtering, and other math functions, color look up editor, array calculator, etc. Shareware, available via anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu in the info-mac/app directory. For other information contact Doug Norton (e-mail: 74017.461@@compuserve.com) IRIS Explorer ------------- It's an application creation system developed by Silicon Graphics that provides visualisation and analysis functionality for computational scientists, engineers and other scientists. The Explorer GUI allows users to build custom applications without having to write any, or a minimal amount of, traditonal code. Also, existing code can be easily integrated into the Explorer environment. Explorer currently is available now on SGI and Cray machines, but will become available on other platforms in time. [ Bundled with every new SGI machine, as far as I know] See comp.graphics.explorer or comp.sys.sgi for discussion of the package. There are also two FTP servers for related stuff, modules etc.: ftp.epcc.ed.ac.uk [129.215.56.29] swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] - mirror of the UK site apE --- Back in the 'old good days', you could get apE for nearly free. Now has gone commercial and the following vendor supplies it: TaraVisual Corporation 929 Harrison Avenue Columbus, Ohio 43215 Tel: 1-800-458-8731 and (614) 291-2912 Fax: (614) 291-2867 Cost: $895 (plus tax); runtime version with a site-license for a single user (at a time), no limit on the number of machines in a cluster. $895 includes support/maintenance and upgrades. Source code more. Additional user licenses $360. The name of the package has become apE III (TM). Khoros is very similar to apE on philosophy, as are AVS and Explorer. AVS --- See also: comp.graphics.avs Platforms: CONVEX, CRAY, DEC, Evans & Sutherland, HP, IBM, Kubota, Set Technologies, SGI, Stardent, SUN, Wavetracer Availability: AVS4 available on all the above: For all UNIX workstations. Contact: Advanced Visual Systems Inc. 300 Fifth Ave. Waltham, MA 02154 (617)-890-4300 Telephone (617)-890-8287 Fax avs@avs.com Email Advanced Visual Systems Inc. for: CRAY, HP, IBM, SGI, Stardent, SUN CONVEX for CONVEX Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or CRAY for CRAY DEC for DEC Evans & Sutherland for Evans & Sutherland Advanced Visual Systems Inc. or IBM for IBM Kubota Pacific Inc. for Kubota Set Technologies for Set Technologies Wavetracer for Wavetracer FTP Site: for modules, data sets, other info: avs.ncsc.org (128.109.178.23) WIT --- In a nutshell it's a package of the same genre as AVS,Explorer,etc. It seems more a image processing system than a generic SciVi system (IMHO) Major elements are: - a visual programming language, which automatically exploits the inherent parallelism - a code generator which converts the graph to a standalone program Iconified libraries present a rich set of point, filter, io, transform, morphological, segmentation, and measurement operations. A flow library allows graphs to employ broadcast, merge, synchronization, conditional, and sequencing control strategies. WIT delivers an object-oriented, distributed, visual programming environment which allows users to rapidly design solutions to their imaging problems. Users can consolidate both software and hardware developments within a complete CAD-like workspace by adding their own operators (C functions), objects (data structures), and servers (specialized hardware). WIT runs on Sun, HP9000/7xx, SGI and supports Datacube MV-20/200 hardware allowing you to run your graphs in real-time. For a free WIT demo disk, call, FAX, or e-mail (poon@ee.ubc.ca) us stating your complete name, address, voice, FAX, e-mail info. and desired platform. Pricing: WIT for Sparc, one yr. free upgrades, 30 days technical support....................$5000 US Academic institutions: discounts available Contact: Logical Vision Ltd. Suite 108-3700 Gilmore Way Burnaby, B.C., CANADA V5G 4M1 Tel: 604-435-2587 Fax: 604-435-8840 Terry Arden VIS-5D ------ A system for visually exploring the output of 5-D gridded data sets such as those made by weather models. Platforms: SGI IRIS with VGX, GTX, TG, or G graphics, SGI Crimson or Indigo (R4000, Elan graphics suggested), IRIX 4.0.x IBM RS/6000 with GL graphics, AIX version 3 or later; Stardent GS-1000 and GS-2000 (with TrueColor display) In any case, 32 (or more) MB of RAM are suggested. You can get it freely (thanks to NASA support) via anonymous ftp: ftp iris.ssec.wisc.edu (or ftp 144.92.108.63), then ftp> cd pub/vis5d ftp> ascii ftp> get README ftp> bye NOTE: You can find the package also on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the graphics/graphics/packages directory. Read section 2 of the README file for full instructions on how to get and install VIS-5D. Contact: Bill Hibbard (whibbard@vms.macc.wisc.edu) Brian Paul (bpaul@vms.macc.wisc.edu) DATAexplorer (IBM) ------------------ Platforms : IBM Risc System 6000, IBM POWER Visualization Server (SIMD mesh 32 i860s, 40 MHz) Working on (announced) : SGI, HP, Sun Contact: Your local IBM Rep. For a trial package ask your rep to contact : David Kilgore Data Explorer Product Marketing YKTVMH(KILCORE), (708) 981-4510 Wavefront --------- Data Visualizer, Personal Visualizer, Advanced Visualizer. Platforms: SGI, SUN, IBM RS6000, HP, DEC Availability: Available on all the above platforms from Wavefront Technologies. Educational programs and site licenses are available. Contacts: Mike Wilson (mike@wti.com) Wavefront Technologies, Inc. 530 East Montecito Street Santa Barbara, CA 93103 805-962-8117 FAX: 805-963-0410 Wavefront Europe Guldenspoorstraat 21-23 B-9000 Gent, Belgium 32-91-25-45-55 FAX: 32-91-23-44-56 Wavefront Technologies Japan 17F Shinjuku-sumitomo Bldg 2-6-1 Nishi-shinjuku, Shunjuku-Ku Tokyo 168 Japan 81-3-3342-7330 FAX 81-3-3342-7353 PLOT3D and FAST from NASA Ames ------------------------------ These packages are distributed from COSMIC at least (for FAST ask Pat Elson for distribution information). In general, these codes are for US citizens only :-( XGRAPH ------ On the contrib tape of X11R5. Its specialty is display of up to 64 data sets (2D). NCAR ---- National Center for Atmospheric Research. One of the original graphics packages. Runs on Sun, RS6000, SGI, VAX, Cray Y-MP, DecStations, and more. Contact: Graphics Information NCAR Scientific Computing Division P.O. Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 (303)-497-1201 scdinfo@ncar.ucar.edu Cost: .edu $750 Unlimited users .gov $750 1 user $1500 5 users $3000 25 users .com users multiply .gov * 2.0 IDL --- An environment for scientific computing and visualization. Based on an array oriented language, IDL includes 2D and 3D graphics, matrix manupulation, signal and image processing, basic statistics, gridding, mapping, and a widget based system for building GUI for IDL applications (Open Look, Motif, or MS-Windows). Environments: DEC (VMS and Ultrix), HP, IBM RS6000, SGI, Sun, Microsoft Windows. (Mac version in progress) Cost: $1500 to $3750, Educational and quantity discounts available. See also: comp.lang.idl-pvwave (the IDL-PVWAVE bundle) Contact: Research Systems Inc. 777 29th Street, Suite 302 Boulder, CO 80303 Phone: 303-786-9900 FAX: 303-786-9909 E-mail: info@rsinc.com Demo available via FTP. Call or E-mail for details. IDL/SIPS -------- ""A lot of people are using IDL with a package called SIPS. This was developed at the University of Colorado (Boulder) by some people working for Alex Goetz. You might try contacting them if you already have IDL or would be willing to buy it. It's a few thousand dollars (American) I expect for IDL and the other should be free. Those are the general purpose packages I've heard of, besides what TerraMar has. SIPS _was_ written for AVIRIS imagery. I'm not sure how general purpose it is. You would have to contact Goetz or one of his people and ask. I have another piece of software (PCW) that does PC and Walsh transformations with pseudocoloring and clustering and limited image modification (you can compute an image using selected components). I've used it on 70 megabyte AVIRIS images without problems, but for the best speed you need an external DSP card. It will work without it, but large images take quite a while (50-70 times as long) to process. That's a freebie if you want it"" ""My favorite is IDL (Interactive Data Language) from Research Systems, Inc. IDL is in my opinion, much better and infinitely easier. Its programming language is very strong and easy -- very Pascal-like. It handles the number-crunching very well, also. Personally, I like doing the number-crunching with IDL on the VAX (or Mathematica, Igor, or even Excel on the Mac if it's not too hairy), then bringing it over to NIH Image for the imaging part. I have yet to encounter any situation which that combination couldn't handle, and the speed and ease of use (compared to IRAF) was incredible. By the way, it's mostly astronomical image processing which I've been doing. This means image enhancement, cleaning up bad lines/pixels, and some other traditional image processing routines. Then, for example, taking a graph of intensity versus position along a line I choose with the mouse, then doing a curve fit to that line (which I might do like in KaleidaGraph.) "" [ For IDL call Research Systems , for PV-WAVE call Precision Visuals and for SIPS call University of Colorado @ Boulder . From what I can understand, you can get packaged programs from Research Systems, though -- nfotis ] Visual3 ------- contact Robert Haimes, MIT FieldView --------- An interactive program designed to assist an engineer in investigating fluid dynamics data sets. Platforms: SGI, IBM, HP, SUN, X-terminals Availability: Currently available on all of the above platforms. Educational programs and volume discounts are available. Contact: Intelligent Light P.O. Box 65 Fair Lawn, NJ 07410 (201)794-7550 Steve Kramer (kramer@ilight.com) SciAn ------ SciAn is primarily intended to do 3-D visualizations of data in an interactive environment with the ability to generate animations using frame-accurate video recording devices. A user manual, on-line help, and technical notes will help you use the program. Cost : 0 (Free), source code provided via ftp. Platforms : SGI 4D machines and IBM RS/6000 with the GL card + Z-buffer Where to find it: ftp.scri.fsu.edu [144.174.128.34] : /pub/SciAn A mirror is monu1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.101] : /pub/SciAn SCRY ---- [ From the README : ] Scry is a distributed image handling system that pro- vides image transport and compression on local and wide area networks, image viewing on workstations, recording on video equipment, and storage on disk. The system can be distri- buted among workstations, between supercomputers and works- tations, and between supercomputers, workstations and video animation controllers. The system is most commonly used to produce video based movie displays of images resulting from visualization of time dependent data, complex 3D data sets, and image processing operations. Both the clients and servers run on a variety of systems that provide UNIX-like C run-time environments, and 4BSD sockets. The source is available for anonymous ftp: csam.lbl.gov [128.3.254.6] : pub/scry.tar.Z Contact: Bill Johnston, (wejohnston@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!johnston) or David Robertson (dwrobertson@lbl.gov, ...ucbvax!csam.lbl.gov!davidr) Imaging Technologies Group MS 50B/2239 Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road Berkeley, CA 94720 SVLIB / FVS ----------- SVLIB is an X-Windows widget set based on the OSF (Open Software Foundation) Motif widget set. SVLIB widgets are macro-widgets comprising lower level Motif widgets such as buttons, scrollbars, menus, and drawing areas. It is designed to address the reusability of 2D visualization routines and each widget in the library is an encapsulation of a specific visualization technique such as colormap manipulation, image display, and contour plotting. It is targetted to run on UNIX workstations supporting OSF/Motif. Currently, only color monitors are supported. Since SVLIB is a collection of widgets developed in the same spirit as the OSF/Motif user interface widget set, it integrates seamlessly with the Motif widgets. Programmers using SVLIB widgets see the same interface and design as other Motif widgets. FVS is a visualization software for Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) simulations. FVS is designed to accept data generated from these simulations and apply various visualization techniques to present these data graphically. FVS accepts three-dimensional multi-block data recorded in NCSA HDF format. iti.gov.sg [192.122.132.130] : /pub/svlib (Scientific Visualization) /pu/fvs; These directories contain demo binaries for Sun4/SGI Cost : US$200 for academic and US$300 for non-academic institutions. (For each of the above items). You're getting the source for the licence. Contact ------- Miss Quek Lee Hian Member of Technical Staff Information Technology Institute National Computer Board NCB Building 71, Sicence Park Drive Singapore 0511 Republic of Singapore Tel : (65)7720435 Fax : (65)7795966 Email : leehian@iti.gov.sg --------------------------------------------------------- GVLware Distribution: Bob - An interactive volume renderer for the SGI Raz - A disk based movie player for the SGI Icol - Motif color editor --------------------------------------------------------- The Army High Performance Computing Research Center (AHPCRC) has been developing a set of tools to work with large time dependent 2D and 3D data sets. In the Graphics and Visualization Lab (GVL) we are using these tools along side standard packages, such as SGI Explorer and the Utah Raster Toolkit, to render 3D volumes and create digital movies. A couple of the more general purpose programs have been bundled into a package called ""GVLware"". GVLware, currently consisting of Bob, Raz and Icol, is now available via ftp. The most interesting program is probably Bob, an interactive volume renderer for the SGI. Raz streams raster images from disk to an SGI screen, enabling movies larger than memory to be played. Icol is a color map editor that works with Bob and Raz. Source and pre-built binaries for IRIX 4.0.5 are included. To acquire GVLware, anonymous ftp to: machine - ftp.arc.umn.edu file - /pub/gvl.tar.Z To use GVLware: mkdir gvl ; cd gvl zcat gvl.tar.Z | tar xvf - more README Some Bob features: Motif interface, SGI GL rendering Renders 64 cubed data set in 0.1 to 1.0 seconds on a VGX Alpha Compositing and Maximum Value rendering, in perspective (only Maximum Value rendering on Personal Iris) Data must be a ""Brick of Bytes"", on a regularly spaced grid Animation, subvolumes, subsampling, stereo Some Raz features: Motif interface, SGI GL rendering Loads files to a raw disk partition, then streams to screen (requires an empty disk partition to be set aside) Script interface available for movie sequences Can stream from memory, like NCSA XImage Some Icol features: Motif interface Easy to create interpolated color maps between key points RGB, HSV and YUV color spaces, multiple file formats Communicates changes automatically to Bob and Raz Has been tested on SGI, Sun, DEC and Cray systems BTW: Bob == Brick of Bytes Icol == Interpolated Color Raz == ? (just a name) Please send any comments to gvlware@ahpcrc.umn.edu This software collection is supported by the Army Research Office contract number DAALO3-89-C-0038 with the University of Minnesota Army High Performance Computing Research Center. IAP --- Imaging Applications Platform is a commercial package for medical and scientific visualization. It does volume rendering, binary surface rendering, multiplanar reformating, image manipulation, cine sequencing, intermixes geometry and text with images and provides measurement and coordinate transform abilities. It can provide hardcopy on most medical film printers, image database functionality and interconnection to most medical (CT/MRI/etc) scanners. It is client/server based and provides an object oriented interface. It runs on most high performance workstations and takes full advantage of parallelism where it is available. It is robust, efficient and will be submitted for FDA approval for use in medical applications. Cost: $20K for OEM developer, $10K for educational developer and run times starting at $8900 and going down based on quantity. The developer packages include two days training for two people in Toronto. Available from: ISG Technologies 6509 Airport Road Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, L4V-1S7 (416) 672-2100 e-mail: Rod Gilchrist ======================================================================== 18. Molecular visualization stuff ================================= [ Based on a list from cristy@dupont.com < Cristy > , which asked for systems for displaying Molecular Dynamics, MD for short ] Flex ---- It is a public domain package written by Michael Pique, at The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, CA. Flex is stored as a compressed, tar'ed archive (about 3.4MB) at perutz.scripps.edu [137.131.152.27], in pub/flex. It displays molecular models and MD trajectories. MacMolecule ----------- (for Macintosh). I searched with Archie, and the most promising place is sumex-aim.stanford.edu (info-mac/app, and info-mac/art/qt for a demo) MD-DISPLAY ---------- Runs on SGI machines. Call Terry Lybrand (lybrand@milton.u.washington.edu). XtalView -------- It is a crystallography package that does visualize molecules and much more. It uses the XView toolkit. Call Duncan McRee landman@hal.physics.wayne.edu: ----------------------------- I am writing my own visualization code right now. I look at MD output (a specific format, easy to alter for the subroutine) on PC's. My program has hooks into GKS. If your friend has access to Phigs for X (PEX) and fortran bindings, I would be happy to share my evolving code (free of charge). Right now it can display supercells of up to 65 atoms (easy to change), and up to 100 time steps, drawing nearest neighbor bonds between 2 defining nn radii. It works acceptably fast on a 10Mhz 286. icsg0001@caesar.cs.montana.edu: ------------------------------ I did a project on Molecular Visualization for my Master's Thesis, using UNIX/X11/Motif which generates a simple point and space-filling model. KGNGRAF ------- KGNGRAF is part of MOTECC-91. Look on malena.crs4.it (156.148.7.12), in pub/motecc. motecc.info.txt Information about MOTECC-91 in plain ascii format. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- motecc.info.troff Information about MOTECC-91 in troff format. motecc.form.troff MOTECC-91 order form in troff format. motecc.license.troff MOTECC-91 license agreement in troff format. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- motecc.info.ps Information about MOTECC-91 in PostScript format. motecc.form.ps MOTECC-91 order form in PostScript format. motecc.license.ps MOTECC-91 license agreement in PostScript format. ditolla@itnsg1.cineca.it: ------------------------ I'm working on molecular dynamic too. A friend of mine and I have developed a program to display an MD run dynamically on Silicon Graphics. We are working to improve it, but it doesn't work under X, we are using the graphi. lib. of the Silicon Gr. because they are much faster then X. When we'll end it we'll post on the news info about where to get it with ftp. (Will be free software). XBall V2.0 ---------- Written by David Nedde. Call daven@maxine.wpi.edu. XMol ---- An X Window System program that uses OSF/Motif for the display and analysis of molecular model data. Data from several common file formats can be read and written; current formats include: Alchemy, CHEMLAB-II, Gaussian, MOLSIM, MOPAC, PDB, and MSCI's XYZ format (which has been designed for simplicity in translating to and from other formats). XMol also allows for conversion between several of these formats. Xmol is available at ftp.msc.edu. Read pub/xmol/README for further details. INSIGHT II ---------- from BIOSYM Technologies Inc. SCARECROW --------- The program has been published in J. Molecular Graphics 10 (1992) 33. The program can analyze and display CHARMM, DISCOVER, YASP and MUMOD trajectories. The program package contains also software for the generation of probe surfaces, proton affinity surfaces and molecular orbitals from an extended Huckel program. It works on Silicon Graphics machines. Contact Leif Laaksonen MULTI ----- ns.niehs.nih.gov [157.98.8.8] : /pub - MULTI 3.0 (Multi-Process Molecular Modeling Suite) +MindTool +-------- + It runs under SunView, and requires a fortran compiler and Sun's CGI + libraries. MindTool is a tool provided for the interactive graphic + manipulation of molecules and atoms. Currently, up to 10,000 + atoms may be input. + Available via anonymous FTP, at rani.chem.yale.edu, directory + /pub/MindTool ( Check with Archie for other sites if that's too far ) [ I would also suggest looking at least in SGI's Applications Directory. It contains many more packages - nfotis ] =========================================================================== 19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software) =================================================== GRASS ----- (Geographic Resource Analysis Support System) of the US Army Construction Engineering Research Lab (CERL). It is a popular geographic and remote sensing image processing package. Many may think of GRASS as a Geographic Information System rather than an Image Processing package, although it is reported to have significant image processing capabilities. Feature Descriptions I use GRASS because it's public domain and can be obtained through the internet for free. GRASS runs in Unix and is written in C. The source code can be obtained through an anonymous ftp from the Office of Grass Integration. You then compile the source code for your machine, using scripts provided with GRASS. I would recommend GRASS for someone who already has a workstation and is on a limited budget. GRASS is not very user-friendly, compared to Macintosh software."" A first review of overview documentation indicates that it looks useful and has some pixel resampling functions not in other packages plus good general purpose image enhancement routines (fft). Kelly Maurice at Vexcel Corp. in Boulder, CO is a primary user of GRASS . This gentleman has used the GRASS software and developed multi-spectral (238 bands ??) volumetric rendering, full color, on Suns and Stardents. It was a really effective interface. Vexcel Corp. currently has a contract to map part of Venus and convert the Magellan radar data into contour maps. You can call them at (303) 444-0094 or email care of greg@vexcel.com 192.92.90.68 Host Configuration Requirements If you are willing to run A/UX you could install GRASS on a Macintosh which has significant image analysis and import capabilities for satellite data. GRASS is public-domain, and can run on a high-end PC under UNIX. It is raster-based, has some image-processing capability, and can display vector data (but analysis must be done in the raster environment). I have used GRASS V.3 on a SUN workstation and found it easy to use. It is best, of course, for data that are well represented in raster (grid-cell) form. Availability CERL's Office of Grass Integration (OGI) maintains an ftp server: moon.cecer.army.mil (129.229.20.254). Mail regarding this site should be addressed to grass-ftp-admin@moon.cecer.army.mil. This location will be the new ""canonical"" source for GRASS software, as well as bug fixes, contributed sources, documentation, and other files. This FTP server also supports dynamic compression and uncompression and ""tar"" archiving of files. A feature attraction of the server is John Parks' GRASS tutorial. Because the manual is still in beta-test stage, John requests that people only acquire it if they are willing to review it and mail him comments/corrections. The OGI is not currently maintaining this document, so all correspondence about it should be directed to grassx@tang.uark.edu Support Listserv mailing lists: grassu-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS users; application-level questions, support concerns, miscellaneous questions, etc) Send subscribe commands to grassu-request@amber.cecer.army.mil. grassp-list@amber.cecer.army.mil (for GRASS programmers; system-level questions and tips, tricks, and techniques of design and implementation of GRASS applications) Send subscribe commands to grassp-request@amber.cecer.army.mil. Both lists are maintained by the Office of Grass Integration (subset of the Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Lab in Champaign, IL). The OGI is providing the lists as a service to the community; while OGI and CERL employees will participate in the lists, we can make no claim as to content or veracity of messages that pass through the list. If you have questions, problems, or comments, send E-mail to lists-owner@amber.cecer.army.mil and a human will respond. Microstation Imager ------------------- Intergraph (based in Huntsville Alabama) sells a wide range of GIS software/hardware. Microstation is a base graphics package that Imager sits on top of. Imager is basically an image processing package with a heavy GIS/remote sensing flavor. Feature Description Basic geometry manipulations: flip, mirror, rotate, generalized affine. Rectification: Affine, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th order models as well as a projective model (warp an image to a vector map or to another image). RGB to IHS and IHS to RGB conversion. Principal component analysis. Classification: K-means and isodata. Fourier Xforms: Forward, filtering and reverse. Filters: High pass, low pass, edge enhancing, median, generic. Complex Histogram/Contrast control. Layer Controller: manages up to 64 images at a time -- user can extract single bands from a 3 band image or create color images by combining various individual bands, etc. The package is designed for a remote sensing application (it can handle VERY LARGE images) and there is all kinds of other software available for GIS applications. Host Configuration Requirements It runs on Intergraph Workstations (a Unix machine similar to a Sun) though there were rumors (there are always rumors) that the software would be ported to PC and possibly a Sun environment. PCI --- A company called PCI, Inc., out of Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada, makes an array of software utilities for processing, manipulation, and use of remote sensing data in eight or ten different ""industry standard"" formats: LGSOWG, BSQ, LANDSAT, and a couple of others whose titles I forget. The software is available in versions for MS-DOS, Unix workstations (among them HP, Sun, and IBM), and VMS, and quite possibly other platforms by now. I use the VMS version. The ""PCI software"" consists of several classes/groups/packages of utilities, grouped by function but all operating on a common ""PCI database"" disk file. The ""Tape I/O"" package is a set of utility programs which read from the various remote-sensing industry tape formats INTO, or write those formats out FROM, the ""PCI database"" file; this is the only package I use or know much about. Other packages can display data from the PCI database to one or another of several PCI-supported third-party color displays, output numeric or bitmap representation of image data to an attached printer, e.g. an Epson-type dot-matrix graphics printer. You might be more spe- cifically interested in the mathematical operations package: histo- gram and Fourier analysis, equalization, user-specified operations (e.g. ""multiply channel 1 by 3, add channel 2, and store as channel 5""), and God only knows what all else -- there's a LOT. I don't have and don't use these, so can't say much about them; you only buy the packages your particular application/interest calls for. Each utility is controlled by from one to eight ""parameters,"" read from a common ""parameter file"" which must be (in VMS anyway) in your ""default directory."" Some utilities will share parameters and use the same parameter for a different purpose, so it can get a bit confusing setting up a series of operations. The standard PCI environment contains a scripting language very similar to IBM-PC BASIC, but which allows you to automate the process of setting up parameters for a common, complicated, lengthy or difficult series of utility executions. (In VMS I can also invoke utilities independently from a DCL command procedure.) There's also an optional programming library which allows you to write compiled language programs which can interface with (read from/write to) the PCI data structures (database file, parameter file). The PCI software is designed specifically for remote-sensing images, but requires such a level of operator expertise that, once you reach the level where you can handle r-s images, you can figure out ways to handle a few other things as well. For instance, the Tape I/O package offers a utility for reading headerless multi-band (what Adobe PhotoShop on the Macintosh calls ""raw"") data from tape, in a number of different ""interleave"" orders. This turns out to be ideal for manipulating the graphic-arts industry's ""CT2T"" format, would probably (I haven't tried) handle Targa, and so on. Above all, however, you HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING or you can screw up to the Nth degree and have to start over. It's worth noting that the PCI ""database"" file is designed to contain not only ""raster"" (image) data, but vectors (for overlaying map information entered via digitizing table), land-use, and all manner of other information (I observe that a remote-sensing image tape often contains all manner of information about the spectral bands, latitude, longitude, time, date, etc. of the original satellite pass; all of this can go into the PCI ""database""). I _believe_ that on workstations the built-in display is used. On VAX systems OTHER than workstations PCI supports only a couple of specific third-party display systems (the name Gould/Deanza seems to come to mind). One of MY personal workarounds was a display program which would display directly from a PCI ""database"" file to a Peritek VCT-Q (Q-bus 24-bit DirectColor) display subsystem. PCI software COULD be ""overkill"" in your case; it seems designed for the very ""high end"" applications/users, i.e. those for whom a Mac/PC largely doesn't suffice (although as you know the gap is getting smaller all the time). It's probably no coincidence that PCI is located in Canada, a country which does a LOT of its land/resource management via remote sensing; I believe the Canadian government uses PCI software for some of its work in these areas. SPAM (Spectral Analysis Manager) -------------------------------- Back in 1985 JPL developed something called SPAM (Spectral Analysis Manager) which got a fair amount of use at the time. That was designed for Airborne Imaging Spectrometer imagery (byte data, <= 256 pixels across by <= 512 lines by <= 256 bands); a modified version has since been developed for AVIRIS (Airborne VIsual and InfraRed Imaging Spectrometer) which uses much larger images. Spam does none of these things (rectification, classification, PC and IHS transformations, filtering, contrast enhancement, overlays). Actually, it does limited filtering and contrast enhancement (stretching). Spam is aimed at spectral identification and clustering. The original Spam uses X or SunView to display. The AVIRIS version may require VICAR, an executive based on TAE, and may also require a frame buffer. I can refer you to people if you're interested. PCW requires X for display. MAP II ------ Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II is distributed by John Wiley. CLRview ------- CLRview is a 3-dimensional visualization program designed to exploit the real-time capabilities of Silicon Graphics IRIS computers. This program is designed to provide a core set of tools to aid in the visualization of information from CAD and GIS sources. It supports the integration of many common but disperate data sources such as DXF, TIN, DEM, Lattices, and Arc/Info Coverages among others. CLRview can be obtained from explorer.dgp.utoronto.ca (128.100.1.129) in the directory pub/sgi/clrview. Contact: Rodney Hoinkes Head of Design Applications Centre for Landscape Research University of Toronto Tel: (416) 978-7197 Email: rodney@dgp.utoronto.ca ========================================================================== End of Resource Listing -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 " 3635,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 50 In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: Hate to wreck your elaborate theory, but Steve Dyer is not an MD. So professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with Nystatin, etc., can't very well come into the picture. Steve doesn't have any patients. >response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive. >Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test >is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow Yes, everyone who is normal does that. We use candida on the other arm when we put a tuberculin test on. If people don't react to candida, we assume the TB test was not conclusive since such people may not react to anything. All normal people have antibodies to candida. If not, you would quickly turn into a fungus ball. >This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny >and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the >appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture >the yeast ""bloom"" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or >even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually >impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot >be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body. > >It's a real Catch-22. > You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory. Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying it is the cause of whatever. Since no one can disprove it, you can rake in the bucks for quite some time. >>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic >>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his >>patients is a non-existent syndrome. > That is odd, isn't it? Why do you suppose it is that MDs with these common problems don't go for these crazy ideas? Does the ""professional jealosy"" extend to suffering in silence, even though they know they could be cured if they just followed this quack book? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3636,16,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card) Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support Distribution: usa In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>, Jason Kratz writes: >In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent >Fox) says: >> >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. > >>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly >>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having >>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks >>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex >>as the timer on a VCR. > >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. Ahem!!! Hrumph!!!! You have encurred the wrath of Glock owners. We will beat you with our hammers. Oooops, don't have any :-) Seriously. There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA revolver. Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver. Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that autoloaders give you, that is. Every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment. If you just learn how to handle it, it becomes a lot less dangerous (to you). -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 3637,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: powerful ""similarity"" too Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 107 A Unix tool of cryptographic significance is available for anonymous ftp. ""agrep 2.0.4"" -- a fast approximate pattern-matching tool source code project available from: cs.arizona.edu in directory ""agrep"" agrep is a very fast fuzzy search tool with a tremendous number of powerful search options. The one most obviously applicable to cryptography (key selection) is to be able to specify the ""similarity"" of matches in the data. For example say you make up a password/phrase of ""qimwe7l"". Of course you rightly suspect that this key itself is not in any dictionary or word list. But how *close* is it to en entry that could be varied by some ""crack"" program to brute-force search for it? You use agrep to find out. Looking with argument for none, one or two errors, no matches. Good so far. But agrep -3 ""qimwe7l"" bigwordandphraselist finds that the pattern ""qimwe7l"" is too close to the pattern ""imsel"" (part of ""himself"" and a host of others), to be of any cryptographic value as a key. An error of level two corresponds to a simple transposition of letters like ""teh"" for ""the"". A minimally acceptable password would have to pass as *least* level 3 in order not immediately ruled-out as even a remote possibility of being a good password. (In real cryptographic use, my personal passphrases clear at *least* level 8 on my rather large [>80 meg] word and phrase lists.) And for searching for key words in human-typed data (lots o' typos) the tool is unexcelled. For example, For example, say I want to find out what people think about Gibson's SF book ""Neuromancer"" in the huge SF-Lover's archives. Even with an error distance specification as small as of ""1"" I will find all those people who think the title was ""Necromancer"" or other common typos. Why miss anything? Also, the program can look for up to 30,000 patterns IN PARALLEL at Boyer-Moore (sublinear) speeds. Great for a NSA wannabe to look for your name, terrorists names, special Tagalog or religious words, etc. in the news or e-mail spool directories. You can even search for ciphertext by using, say, 30,000 random three-byte combinations and eliminate all texts that don't score the X chi-square 'birthday' hits on message size Y. You think some crypto-terrorist is try to foil you by changing the pattern on you? No problem. Try agrep -p NSA to find NSA, National Security Agency, NSecAg, No Such Agency, National Scrabble Association, N*S*A, etc. You can also specify ""fixed"" areas: looking for license plate XYZ123 when you know that the letters are correct, you might say: agrep -2 123 licenseplatedatabase will find all plates starting with XYZ with up to two errors (addition, substitution, deletion) in the number area. You can also ""weight"" the relative ""cost"" for substiutions, additions, or deletion errors. For example, when searching DNA patterns for a particular protein combination, you might know that some kinds of damage cause the ""A"" nucelotide to drop out more than other errors... you could adjust for this bias by setting -Dc where you set the ""deletion cost"" to count as ""c"" errors. A steganographic use (I even used ""agrep -2 ""eograp"" E"" just now to find the correct spelling!) would be to intentionally introduce errors of a certain type and magnitude into a plaintext and then later recover the orginal it via an agrep pipe. Lots of possibilities here when only outlaws can have ciphertext... Also with agrep's powerful extraction options it makes it easy to abstract the ""hits"" into a useful form. For example, agrep -d ""^From"" 'PGP;(passphrase|Zimmerman|NSA)' says output the entire mail record, delimited by 'From' that contains 'PGP' and contains either 'passphrase', 'Zimmerman', or 'NSA'. And agrep has been measured an order-of-magnitude faster than the second-best similarity tool publicly available. As usual, I will be glad to e-mail the source and docs to those who reqest them by e-mail IF they cannot do an anonymous FTP. Get this now. It is too powerful to stay in the hands of the NSA. Grady Ward, vendor to the NSA (and proud of it) -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 3638,8,"From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 14 In regards ot some of the posts concerning bias in articles of k bikes versis /2's or boxers of a later date or whatever.. Jeezzz, Lighten up! I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is ""I rode the the first day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"" any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people? I though I still had mine, but I dunno... Regards Craig Vechorik BMW MOA Ambassador #9462 DOD #843 And hey, I just want ya'll to vote.. O.K.? for SOMEBODY instead of throwing it in the trash... " 3639,1,"From: ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au Subject: DREGISTERe: XV for MS-DOS Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: mrl.dsto.gov.au Pascal Perret, in article <1993Apr21.125750.263@eicn.etna.ch>, wrote > > Site : omnigate.clarkson.edu > Aliases : grape.ecs.clarkson.edu > Number : 128.153.4.2 > > /pub/msdos/djgpp/pub > > it's xv221.zip (?) I think... > Certainly you read the other answer from Kevin Martin... He write about DV/X > (?). > > What is it ?????? Could Someone answer ???? Funny thing, the InterNet: I have no idea what xv221 might be - except that it might be something to do with X-windows on PCs (? If you know, and have used it, and think that it is good, email me. [ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au]). DV/X is a common abbreviation for QuarterDeck corporation's Desqview/X software. I have not used DV/X yet, but reading the blurbs that Quarterdeck sent me, it sounds pretty great: * allows multiple DOS machines - the way that OS/2 does, but without requiring 10 MB of RAM to get OS/2 going * pre-emptive multi-tasking * network computing - a proper X-windows client/server application - this means that DOS program can be used on other X-windows computers on your network, and that X-windows programs can be used on your DV/X computer * although it is NOT a version of Unix, it effectively has many of Unix's features, and mostly you will be able to compile unix-type programs using the djgpp or gnu c compilers They advertise regularly in all of the major computing and programming magazines. They also have InterNet support online (support@qdeck.com). > * Pascal PERRET | perret@eicn.etna.ch * Hope that this helps anyone wanting to know. Phil Ryan Melbourne, australia " 3640,11,"From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: >:Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key >: itself"" >:You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; >: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of >: copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" Can we use murder instead of copyright violation, just to keep things straight? The 5th applies only to criminal cases which copyright infringements are not (they are civil). Steve P.S. I'm sorry to waste bandwidth on a quibble, I just don't want anyone to get confused. I think a bunch of kiddie porn GIFs make a better test case than a bunch of Peanuts strips and that IS criminal both in posession and distribution. -- Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu ""All I did was kiss a girl."" - Jake, the night before his hanging. " 3641,17,"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 27 In a previous article, steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) says: >Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it > take to kill a 5 year old native child? > >A: Four > >Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, >and one writes up a false report. This newsgroup is for intelligent discussion. I want you to either smarten up and stop this bullshit posting or get the fuck out of my face and this net. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | " 3642,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Thrush (was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. This is the second post which seems to be blurring the distinction between real disease caused by Candida albicans and the ""disease"" that was being asked about, systemic yeast syndrome. There is no question that Candida albicans causes thrush. It also seems to be the case that active yogurt cultures with acidophilous may reduce recurrences of thrush at least for vaginal thrush -- I've never heard of anyone taking it for oral thrush before (though presumably it would work by the same mechanism). Candida is clearly a common minor pathogen and a less common major pathogen. That does not mean that there is evidence that it causes the ""systemic yeast syndrome"". -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 3643,1,"From: geoffrey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Geoff Thomas) Subject: Re: Help! 256 colors display in C. Keywords: graphics Article-I.D.: cantua.C533EM.Cv7 Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: huia.canterbury.ac.nz You'll probably have to set the palette up before you try drawing in the new colours. Use the bios interrupt calls to set the r g & b values (in the range from 0-63 for most cards) for a particular palette colour (in the range from 0-255 for 256 colour modes). Then you should be able to draw pixels in those palette values and the result should be ok. You might have to do a bit of colourmap compressing if you have more than 256 unique rgb triplets, for a 256 colour mode. Geoff Thomas geoffrey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz Computer Science Dept. University of Canterbury Private Bag +-------+ Christchurch | Oook! | New Zealand +-------+ " 3644,10,"From: cal2d@csissun11.ee.Virginia.EDU (Craig Allen Lorie) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 With everyone bitching about the hockey coverage by ESPN its almost like the Detroit-Toronto game was not televised last nite. I was just thankful to see hockey on a night that it wasn't supposed to be carried. Thanks to ESPN, no matter why they televised the game Craig " 3645,8,"Organization: Washington University, St. Louis From: Brad Thone To: NETNEWS@WUVMD Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Lines: 25 >An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend >damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by >the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they >were assuming by pulling that stunt. She claimed it was the driver who >was at fault for illegally parking in the first place. That would >probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her >liable for $Serious. Seems to me that the driver was driving the vehicle visually impaired. Isn't that like not scraping ice and snow off your windshield and such? Say, that's another thing that bugs me. Why don't people scrape their damn windows? I've seen people driving cars with *barely* the driver's half of the windshield cleared. Nothing else cleared. This seems pretty stupid and isn't there something (probably varies state to state) that says a certain percentage of the glass must be clear? Oh, well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brad Thone Systems Consultant Systems Service Enterprises St. Louis, MO c09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet " 3646,15,"From: sbuckley@sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 22 dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: > Unfaithfully yours, > Pixie > p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >it blindly? > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > I defy any theist to reply. o.k. i don't follow god ""blindly"". once, long ago, i questioned authority to such a rabid point that i found question_authority=reject_authority_ _unquestioningly. i question authority all the time. but to forever question is fruitless...eventually we have to consider whether there are answers to the questions, whether the ""authority"" {say, the bible in this case} has validity. basically to question authority does not necessarily mean reject authority. " 3647,16,"From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) Subject: Randy Weaver Trail - Day 3 Nntp-Posting-Host: hound Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" Distribution: usa Lines: 85 This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list. ============================================================= Hi Folks; Thursday, April 15 marked Day 3 of the trial. This day marked the first testimony of the trial. Deputy U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper took the stand for the prosecution. The short version is that his testimony was consistent with the opening statements for the prosecution. Cooper testified that he had arrived in Spokane (Washington) on August 17, 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation with five other deputies near the Weaver cabin. The team was using night vision equipment for surveillance, and split up into two teams of three people. The six later met at an observation point above the cabin. After this, deputies Cooper, William Degan, and Arthur Roderick began a descent to scout further possible surveillance sites. Cooper told the court that Roderick threw two large rocks into a gully to see, ""whether the [Weaver family] dogs would respond."" Striker, the Weaver's yellow lab, started toward them barking loudly. Roderick led the three in a run from the area. They ran through some dense woods into an open area [called the ""fern field""] with the dog in pursuit. By this time, Kevin Harris and Samuel Weaver had joined the chase. The surveillance team had reached a Y in the road: Cooper decided that they should take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy target and might be ""shot in the back."" As Degan reached the Y, he spotted Randy Weaver coming down the road from the cabin ahead. Weaver was startled but did not fire. At this moment, Striker reached Degan, and Cooper had to ""fend him off with his gun."" [It is unclear whether this means he clubbed the dog or shot the dog]. Both Cooper and Degan then took cover in the woods. According to Cooper, Kevin Harris and Samuel Weaver continued walking down the road, apparently not noticing the two. After they had passed by on the road, Degan got up on one knee, raised his gun, and shouted, ""Stop! U.S. Marshal!"" Harris then ""...brought the weapon around at hip level and fired. He didn't bring the weapon up to eye level. I saw Bill's arm going back, and I knew he had been hit."" Cooper fired at Harris, and Harris went down. Cooper then brought his weapon to bear on Samuel, but did not fire. At this point, Cooper then heard two shots to his right. Samuel Weaver looked in the direction of the shots, yelled, ""You son of a bitch!"" and ran toward them. Cooper then realized that shots were coming at him from directly ahead, so he fired a three-round burst at the cabin. At this point he then saw Samuel Weaver running toward the cabin. When Cooper reached Degan, he placed his first two fingers on Degan carotid artery, counted two or three beats, and then his heart stopped. Shortly thereafter, Roderick and the other three marshals joined him. They then all heard a large burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin. On cross-examination, David Nevin questioned the point of throwing rocks into the gulley, asking, ""You wanted to lure that dog out so you could shoot that dog, didn't you?"" Nevin also pointed out that in last September's testimony, Cooper had claimed that he spotted Weaver after the dog had left him. Cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and decided that Thursday's account was correct. Nevin continued the cross-examination by asking what Cooper would have done had an armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at him [no answer was available]. Friday, April 16 marks continued cross-examination of Cooper. Notes: There was no coverage of protestors. Drew ============================================================== -- ************************************************************** * Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * * Senior Customer Engineer * * Intergraph Electronics * * 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * * Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * ************************************************************** " 3648,8,"From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) Subject: Re: Question: Arai Quantum-S Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes: >they way I want it to. However, I have the following problem: My chin hangs >out from the bottom of the helmet. I am curious to know whether I would still >have this problem if I were to switch to the extra large size? In particular, >can anyone tell me ""for certain"", if the outer shell of the ""Arai Quantum-S"" in >size X-large is any different (larger-rounder-etc.) than the same helmet in size >large? Or if the inner padding/foam on the X-large is such that one's head >fits a little deeper in the helmet, and thus one's chin would not stick out? >This is true for the very old Arthur-Fulmer helmets that I have. Namely, my >chin hangs out a little from the bottom of the Large helmet, and not at all >from the X-large (but the X-large is not as snug as the large). The dealer >is willing to replace the helmet at no additional cost (i.e. shipping), but >I want to make sure that 1) the X-large is in fact a little bigger or linered >such that my chin will not hang out and 2) how much looser will my head fit in >the X-large? If anyone has recent experience with this helmet, please let me >hear (E-mail) from you ASAP. Thank you so much. Amir- I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might want to write to a: Jay Leno c/o Tonight Show Burbank Calif. Good luck. ================================================================================ Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. ================================================================================ " 3649,11,"From: brands@cwi.nl (Stefan Brands) Subject: * REPORT ON PRIVACY-PROTECTING OFF-LINE CASH AVAILABLE * Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Lines: 60 I recently published a new privacy-protecting off-line electronic cash system as a technical report at CWI. Being a PhD-student at David Chaum's cryptography-group, our group has a long history in research in the field of privacy-protecting cash systems. The report is called CS-R9323.ps.Z, contains 77 pages, and can be retrieved from ftp.cwi.nl (192.16.184.180) from the directory pub/CWIreports/AA. The postscript-file is suitable for 300dpi laserprinters. ==================================================================== ABSTRACT (from coverpage): We present a new off-line electronic cash system based on a problem, called the representation problem, of which little use has been made in literature thus far. Our system is the first to be based entirely on discrete logarithms. Using the representation problem as a basic concept, some techniques are introduced that enable us to construct protocols for withdrawal and payment that do not use the cut and choose methodology of earlier systems. As a consequence, our cash system is much more efficient in both computation and communication complexity than any such system proposed previously. Another important aspect of our system concerns its provability. Contrary to previously proposed systems, its correctness can be mathematically proven to a very great extent. Specifically, if we make one plausible assumption concerning a single hash-function, the ability to break the system seems to imply that one can break the Diffie-Hellman problem. Our system offers a number of extensions that are hard to achieve in previously known systems. In our opinion the most interesting of these is that the entire cash system (including all the extensions) can be incorporated in a setting based on wallets with observers, which has the important advantage that double-spending can be prevented in the first place, rather than detecting the identity of a double-spender after the fact. In particular, it can be incorporated even under the most stringent requirements conceivable about the privacy of the user, which seems to be impossible to do with previously proposed systems. Another benefit of our system is that framing attempts by a bank have negligible probability of success (independent of computing power) by a simple mechanism from within the system, which is something that previous solutions lack entirely. Furthermore, the basic cash system can be extended to checks, multi-show cash and divisibility, while retaining its computational efficiency. ==================================================================== Cryptographers are challenged to try to break this system! I made a particular effort to keep the report as self-contained as possible. Nevertheless, if you have any questions, please e-mail to me and I will try to reply as good as I can. Any comments are also welcome! Stefan Brands, -------------------------------------------------------- CWI, Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 5924103, e-mail: brands@cwi.nl " 3650,15,"From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) Subject: Re: about Eliz C Prophet Organization: Rice University Lines: 33 In article JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: >Rob Butera asks about a book called THE LOST YEARS OF JESUS, by >Elizabeth Clare Prophet. > ... >marriage, if I remember aright), base almost all their teachings on >messages they have allegedly received by telepathy from Tibet. I >should be surprised if the book you mention has any scholarly basis. Actually, there was very little to the book. First of all looking at the titles of her other books, I would personally consider her to be engaged in a bizarre form of Christian-like mysticism heavily influenced by eastern philosphies (great titles like _The_Astrology_of_the_4_Horsemen_). However, other than the Chapter One into, there's nothing original, biased, or even new this book. It is basically a collection of previously published works by those who claim that there exist Buddhist and Hindu stories that Christ visited India and China (he was known as Issa) during the period from late teens to age 30. Conclusion: the book actually lets you come to your own view by presenting a summary of various published works and letters, all of which you could verify independently. It includes refutations to such works as well. Therefore, even if you think she is theologically warped, this book is a nice reference summary for the interested. -- Rob Butera | ECE Grad Student | ""Only sick music makes money today"" Rice University | Houston, TX 77054 | - Nietzsche, 1888 " 3651,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ? Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Distribution: na Lines: 18 Yes, you increase the RPM slip of a ""boxer"" type fan by installing a capacitor in series with the fan's power supply. The air flow of small 3.5 inch fans can be reduced by about 50% by using a 1 to 4 uF capacitor. Use a good grade nonpolarized unit with working voltage rating around 250 volts. Note that some impriical study is usually required to experimentally determine the best size capacitor for a given application. For DC powered applications, try the Radio Shack 12 volt box fan. It can run and start reliably from as low as about 4.5 VDC. It is exceptionally quiet, but at admittedly low flow. I wish I knew who made the fans for Radio Shack. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 3652,17,"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (""Get thee to a nunnery....."") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 32 eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in > >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering > >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is > >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. > > If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then > consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda > too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I > wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide > some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you > keep your mouth shut. I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing > Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis > you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are > just trying to discredit Israel). > > Ed. > You know ed,... You're right! Andi shouldn't be comparing Israel to the Nazis. The Israelis are much worse than the Nazis ever were anyway. The Nazis did a lot of good for Germany, and they would have succeeded if it weren't for the damn Jews. The Holocaust never happened anyway. Ample evidence given by George Schafer at Harvard, Dept. of History, and even by Randolph Higgins at NYU, have shown that the Holocaust was just a semitic conspiracy created to obtain sympathy to piush for the creation of Israel. " 3653,10,"Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? Lines: 14 In article , enolan@sharkbite.esd.sgi.com (Ed Nolan) says: >If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with >identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins >in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking >ties. As I recall, the Penguins and Devils tied for third place last year with identical records, as well. Poor Devils -- they always get screwed. Yet, they should put a scare into Pittsburgh. They always do! Pens in 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" " 3654,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 34 In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is >>enough to do it if the vehicle exists. >Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough >to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of >course, they may be over-optimistic. In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G range. >You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications >that would help pay for its development costs. True it and the contest would result in a much larger market. But I don't think it would be enough to attract the investors given the risks involved. If you could gurantee the SSTO costs and gurantee that it captures 100% of the available launch market, then I think you could do it. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 3655,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 61 In article , lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: > In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # #From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: # # # # Male sex survey: Gay activity low # # # # A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough # # examination of American men's sexual practices published since # # the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 # # percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and # # 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. # # # # The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday # # by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than # # the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional # # wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. # # 1) So what? Homosexuals lie about the 10% number to hide the disproportionate involvement of homosexuals in child molestation. They also lie about ""10%"" to keep politicians scared. # 2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers # gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of # us then this is an event unprecidented in history... But many of the people who will be marching aren't homosexuals, but other members of the leftist agenda. # #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. # #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. # # Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... Not surprising. Remember, that study includes homosexuals as well. # #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, # #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that # #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general # #male population. # # And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those # who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for # you.... It wasn't published. # #It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for # #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically # #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. # # Fuck off Typical homoseuxal response. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 3656,9,"From: bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 26 > >And Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be >making near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's >your point? Actually, I could care less what his salary is. It has something to do with the fact that we live in America, and everyone is entitled to whatever he can legally obtain. If Sandy Alderson and the Haas family willingly negotiate a salary of $35 million per year with Rickey, I couldn't care less. But what REALLY GETS MY GOAT is the bullshit he spouted in spring training, about `Well... sometimes I may not play as hard, or might be hurt more often, in a place where I'm not appreciated'. This quote was in the Chronicle about the second week of camp, and strongly suggests that he was going to dog it all year if the ownership didn't kiss his butt and ante up some more money. For God's sake, Rickey, you signed a contract 4 years ago, now honor it and play! Say all you want to about Steve Garvey, and believe me, I hated him too, but at least when he put his signature on a piece of paper he shut his mouth and played hard until the contract was up. Matt Bohnert " 3657,6,"From: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh) Subject: Video/Audio/Computer equipment for sale.. Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 49 Distribution: na Reply-To: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh) NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu Originator: zeno@mickey.cc.utexas.edu Time for some spring cleaning, so the following items are up for sale: Roland MT-32 Multi-Timbre Sound module. LA synthesis, upto 32 simultaneous voices, 128 preset timbres, 20-char backlit LCD display, MIDI in/out/thru, reference card, stereo output, etc Great for games that support it (music on the MT32 is far superior to any sound card), experimenting with MIDI, or for adding additional sounds to your MIDI setup. $235 + shipping Canon RC-250 Xapshot still video camera system. Includes: camera, carrying pouch, battery pack, battery charger, ac adapter, video cables, two 2.5"" floppies (each disk holds 50 pictures for 100 pics total), manuals, etc Video output is standard NTSC composite and can be sent to any NTSC device (e.g. to a television for direct viewing of your pictures, to a VCR to record a slideshow, to a computer video digitizer to save/manipulate the pictures on a computer system) $295 + shipping Ambico Video Enhancer/Audio Mixer Three-line stereo audio mixer with microphone input and master volume slider w/video enhancer to boost & sharpen video images when dubbing from VCR->VCR, camcorder->VCR, etc $38 + shipping 2400 baud PC internal modem $25 + shipping Quantum 105MB 3.5"" internal ProDrive hard disk This unit has recently turned unreliable and erratic in usage. Could be a simple easily fixed problem or a major problem, but at any rate I don't have the time to find out where the problem lies. If you want to take a risk on it, you can have it for $45 + shipping. If interested in any of the above items, please Email me. -S. Hsieh zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu " 3658,0,"From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 48 In article <16BAFA9D9.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > > >Yes, but, fortunately, religions have been replaced by systems >that value Human Rights higher. Secular laws seem to value criminal life more than the victims life, Islam places the rights of society and every member in it above the rights of the individual, this is what I call true human rights. > >By the way, do you actually support the claim of precedence of Islamic >Law? In case you do, what about the laws of other religions? As a Muslim living in a non-Muslim land I am bound by the laws of the land I live in, but I do not disregard Islamic Law it still remains a part of my life. If the laws of a land conflict with my religion to such an extent that I am prevented from being allowed to practise my religion then I must leave the land. So in a way Islamic law does take precendence over secular law but we are instructed to follow the laws of the land that we live in too. In an Islamic state (one ruled by a Khaliphate) religions other than Islam are allowed to rule by their own religious laws provided they don't affect the genral population and don't come into direct conflict with state laws, Dhimmis (non-Muslim population) are exempt from most Islamic laws on religion, such as fighting in a Jihad, giving Zakat (alms giving) etc but are given the benefit of these two acts such as Military protection and if they are poor they will receive Zakat. > >If not, what has it got to do with Rushdie? And has anyone reliable >information if he hadn't left Islam according to Islamic law? >Or is the burden of proof on him? > Benedikt After the Fatwa didn't Rushdie re-affirm his faith in Islam, didn't he go thru' a very public ""conversion"" to Islam? If so he is binding himself to Islamic Laws. He has to publicly renounce in his belief in Islam so the burden is on him. Mas -- C I T I Z E N +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ _____ _____ | C A D E N C E D E S I G N S Y S T E M S Inc. | \_/ | Masud Ahmed Khan mas@cadence.com All My Opinions| _____/ \_____ +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ " 3659,7,From: tmspence@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas morris spencer) Subject: Are there any Honda groups? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Distribution: na Lines: 6 Are there any Honda groups out there? Especially ones that deal with Preludes? Tom Spencer 3660,11,"From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Distribution: na Lines: 47 jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes: > The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is > not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you > can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. Or John Edgar Hoover's USA. > We're complaining about > it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. yet. > GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world > where a person can complain without getting shot at. yet. > People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody > did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: > > 1) What have they done right? > 2) How much worse can it get? > > And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. so far. > So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. > But let's not overreact! What harm is there in overreacting? This may be the largest single threat to civil liberties yet in my lifetime. The US has done some pretty heinous things in the past, and we haven't yet recovered from all of them. There certainly seems to be a historical trend towards less liberty, with occasional perturbations. Time to break out the quotes from American political radicals. Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street 412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219 There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpation. -- James Madison " 3661,16,"From: kevin@axon.cs.byu.edu (Kevin Vanhorn) Subject: American Horror File -- call for help Organization: /usr/users/kevin/.organization Lines: 30 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.byu.edu Today's atrocity in Waco has finally impelled me to start working on something I've been thinking about for some time. Over the last few years I have heard of one case after another of government running completely amok. Unfortunately, most people are oblivious of the government's crimes and still think of it as their protector. So I intend to put together what I call the ""American Horror File"": a compilation of cases where the American government has run roughshod over the rights of its citizens over the last few years, focusing especially on deaths and injuries resulting from no-knock warrants, and financial ruin to innocents resulting from civil forfeiture laws, but including any other cases for which I can find decent documentation. I hope to make people blood-boiling, artery-bursting, red-hot enraged at their government. The end result will probably be a book in electronic form (ASCII text and postscript files) detailing the government's crimes of recent years. This book will be distributed at cost, and I will encourage people to post copies to BBS's, send copies on disk to friends, and print out copies and give them to neighbors. This is a call for your help. Any information that you can send me on how government is running amok will be greatly appreciated. I would prefer information that is well-documented, with sources given, about specific instances of governmental abuses. I also welcome anyone who wants to join me in collecting and researching information for this project. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin S. Van Horn | Is your religion BATF-approved? vanhorn@bert.cs.byu.edu | " 3662,9,"From: derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue) Subject: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 20 I've a curiousity -- Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day, the person is on the list longer than the specificed time I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't remember what... I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications. - Scotyy -- Scott Allen Steinbrink ************************************************ * GO CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!! NBA FINALS '93!!!!!!* NetCom: Derich@netcom.com * GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!! WORLD SERIES '93!!!!* Digex: derich@digex.com * GO CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!!! SUPER BOWL '94!!!!!!* ************************************************ " 3663,8,"From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig) Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>> Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 In Article ""mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman)"" says: > Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket > on. Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all. It was > only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the > exhaust on the right side. The exhaust is 4-2 MAC. I bought new plugs > today and it runs very rough and still won't idle. I am quite sure the fine > tune knobs on the carbs are messed up. I checked the timing, it was fine, so > I advanced it a little and that didn't help. > > I assume the carbs need to be synched. Can I buy a kit and do this myself? > If so, what kit is the best for the price. > > Any other suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > Mike Hollyman > It sounds like you got the cam timing off.......... " 3664,1,"From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt) Subject: Beta Testers Wanted for Graphics Libraries Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Keywords: xeg ceg beta imsl vni x graphics Lines: 48 Visual Numerics Inc. (formerly IMSL and Precision Visuals) is in the process of securing sites for beta testing X Exponent Graphics 1.0 and C Exponent Graphics 2.0. (Both X Exponent Graphics and C Exponent Graphics are 3GL products). The beta period is from April 26 through June 18. The platform is HP9000/700 running under OS 8.07 with ansi C 8.71 compiler. The media will be sent on 4mm DAT cartridge tape. Here are some of the key facts about the two products. X Exponent Graphics 1.0 key facts: 1. Complete collection of high-level 2D and 3D application plot types available through a large collection of X resources. 2. Cstom widget for OSF/Motif developers. 3. Built-in interactive GUI for plot customization. 4. Easily-implemented callbacks for customized application feedback. 5. XEG 1.0, being built on the Xt Toolkit provides the user a widget library that conforms to the expected syntax and standards familar to X programmers. 6. XEG will also be sold as a bundle with Visual Edge's UIM/X product. This will enable user to use a GUI builder to create the graphical layout of an application. C Exponent Graphics 2.0 key facts: 1. Written in C for C application programmers/developers. The library is 100% written in C, and the programming interface conforms to C standards, taking advantage fo the most desirable features of C. 2. Build-in GUI for interactive plot customization. Through mouse interaction, the user has complete interactive graph output control with over 200 graphics attributes for plot customization. 3. Large collection of high-level application functions for ""two-call"" graph creation. A wide variety of 2D and 3D plot types are available with minimal programming effort. 4. User ability to interrupt and control the X event. By controlling the X event loop, when the user use the mouse to manipulate the plot the user can allow CEG to control the event loop or the user can control the event loop. If anyone is interested in beta testing either of the products, please contact Wendy Hou at Visual Numerics via email at hou@imsl.com or call 713-279-1066. -- Jaclyn Brandt jbrandt@NeoSoft.com -- " 3665,18,"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: ""Winning"" Tax Case! Article-I.D.: shelley.1pqi26INNl8j Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes: >Which makes it legally unsound. If I were representing Mr. Teel, >I'd try a procedural approach if I could find one, or recommend >he plea-bargain. He's setting himself up to be in hot water. Indeed. Reading the cases of people who've tried the various things Mr. Teel suggests show that defendants fall into two classes: (1) those who win on procedural grounds or some grounds not related to their claim, and (2) those who lose. Consider Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460 (8th Cir.1985), which I've seen cited by tax protestors other than Mr. Teel as a win for Mr. Schiff. Mr. Schiff offered $100,000 on TV to anyone who would call in the show and cite any section of the Internal Revenue Code that says that an individual has to file a return. Mr. Newman took him up on it. Mr. Newman had seen the show in a rebroadcast the next morning. Mr. Schiff claimed that the offer only extended to people who actually say the original broadcast, and so there was no offer for Mr. Newman to accept, and so no unilateral contract was formed, and so Mr. Schiff did not have to pay $100,000. Mr. Schiff was correct, and so won. So, yes, Mr. Schiff won against a claim on the $100,000 reward. However, his win had nothing to do with the tax code. --Tim Smith " 3666,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 59 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I >>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. >A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245 >million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets >close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers? Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. >But on that point, is it faster? This is what all this is about. Do you >get more performance for the money. Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} synchronous range is indeed 0-5MB/s asynchronous range is slower at 0-3MB/s. SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit} Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1 so it DOES exist. Some PCs use this set up too. SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {for those who want SCSI-2 but don't want to pay for the 16-bit or 32-bit hardware or mess with the SCSI-2 software controllers. Usable by SCSI-1 devices with close to 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds} SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak: >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. Again synchronous and asynchronous modes with asynchronous much slower {Range 0-5MB/s} >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) One problem is the inconsitant use of the term 'SCSI' in articles and by people. Its PROPER meaning is ""The set of SCSI interfaces composed of SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2"" Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote: (My comments in {}) PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI, {This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..."" {this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2} To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read: {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} ""Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the speed of IDE..."" or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2} ""Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..."" NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity. SCSI-1 drivers are somewhat reasonable while 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 drivers are VERY expansive {8-bit SCSI-2 can use SCSI-1 drivers with little speed degridation(the Mac Quadra does EXACTLY this.)} If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2} IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. " 3667,14,"From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 51 Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. For that matter, why exactly were the Apollo lunar experiments ""turned off"" rather than just ""safed"". Was it political (i.e. as along as they could be used, someone would keep bugging congress for funds)? Turning them off keeps them pesky scientists out of the bureaucrat's hair.... I've heard the argument that an active but ""uncontrolled"" spacecraft causes ""radio noise."" I find that hard to believe that this could be a problem in a properly designed ""safe"" mode. This safe mode could be a program routine which causes the spacecraft to go to least fuel using orientation, and once a (week, month, year, whatever) attempts a signal lock on Earth. At that time, if funding has been restored, the mission can continue. If no signal is recieved, the spacecraft goes back to the safe mode for another time period. As we would know when the spacecraft is going to try to contact Earth, we could be prepared if necessary. As another a spacecraft could do at the attempted contact is beam stored data towards Earth. If someone can receive it, great, if not, so it's lost and no big deal. By making the time and signal location generally known, perhaps someone in the world might be able and willing to intercept the data even if they're not willing to contact the spacecraft. I see this as being particularly useful for spacecraft which could have an otherwise long life and are in or are going to places which are otherwise unaccessible (Jupiter/Saturn Orbit, exiting the solar system, etc). Perhaps those designing future spacecraft (Cassini, Pluto Flyby, etc) should consider designing in a ""pause"" mode in case their spacecraft gets the ax sometime in the future after completion of the primary mission. Perhaps Mars Observer and Galilleo could have some kind of routine written in for the post mission ""drift"" phase. So any holes in all this? /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | | the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | | Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."" | | | " 3668,4,"From: dleonard@wixer.cactus.org (Dale Leonard) Subject: Re: wise to remove fan in Classic? Organization: Real/Time Communications Lines: 22 In article hansg@risken.vd.volvo.se (Hans Granqvist) writes: >Is it wise to even think about removing the annoying fan from my >Classic? I have no warranty to void. > >And where do I get a screwdriver to fit in those funny screws? >-- >Hans Granqvist, Volvo Data Corp., Gothenburg, Sweden --- my opinions only >""To every complex problem there exists an easy solution that's not correct."" The screws are Torx screws and the tool isn't to hard to find. It's a matter of finding one with a long enough shaft to do the trick. No it is not a good idea to take that fan out. Why because it will cause stuff to over heat. Internal hard drives, motherboard...You name it and this can cause damage. I've known people to have hard drive failures because of fans that didn't work right.... -- | Dale Leonard | Judy's Stamps (Misc. topical stamps. From Dogs..| | dleonard@wixer.cactus.org| to cats to baseball and many many other subjects| | Austin, Tx 78727 | For stamp information call Tony Leonard at......| | (512)834-8770 (my number)| (512) 837-0022 This is a business only number!!!| " 3669,11,"From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 65 In <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes: >Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer >recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... > telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp > Trying 129.6.54.11... > Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT > expn clipper > 500 Command unrecognized >Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. Then it is a good thing we already have this: The csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on the clipper mailing list, seems to contain basically the members of the NIST security board. In addition to the names already posted, their true names are as follows: burrows@ecf = James Burrows a director of NIST's National Computer Systems Laboratory mcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer security at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's Computer Systems Laboratory Gangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Gaetano Gangemi is director of the secure systems program at Wang Laboratories Inc. He wrote: Computer Security Basics by Deborah Russell and G. T. Gangemi, Sr. -1991, O'Reilly and Associates slambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com = Sandra Lambert is vice-president of information security at Citibank, N.A. lipner@mitre.org = Lipner is Mitre Corp.'s director of information systems. gallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Patrick Gallagher, director of the National Security Agency's National Computer Security Center and a security board member walker@tis.com = Stephen Walker a computer security expert and president of Trusted Information Systems, Inc. in Glenwood, Md willis@rand.org = Willis H. Ware a the Rand Corp. executive who chairs the security board. whitehurst@vnet.ibm.com = William Whitehurst is a security board member and director of IBM Corp.'s data security programs. -- Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 -- Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 " 3670,5,"From: skip@eco.twg.com (Skip Koppenhaver) Subject: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0 Nntp-Posting-Host: eco.twg.com Reply-To: skip@eco.twg.com Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations) Lines: 47 Has anyone found a fix for the following problem? Client Software: SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5 Server Hardware: Sun IPC Server Software: SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37) A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing will unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers (including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users. I have tried the following things: 1. Installing the latest version of the OpenWindows server patch (100444-37). 2. Using mwm (version 1.2.2) instead of olwm. 3. Applying the patch specified in the Motif FAQ (question 110). This had the effect of disabling the point-and-click method of menu interaction (as opposed to the click-and-drag method), and screwing up the menu mnemonics keys. It did seem to help, but I was still able to get the application to hang. Repeat By: This is an intermittent problem so you'll have to try several times. Click and release on a menu heading (pulldown menu will pop up) Click and release on a menu item Repeat until application hangs Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Skip Koppenhaver skip@eco.twg.com " 3671,15,"From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 62 Robert Anderson (randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu) wrote: : I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged : couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have : publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and : are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective : qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse. e.g. the end of Genesis 2 (quoted from memory) ``for this reason, a man shall leave his parents and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh'' (Jesus also quotes this scripture referring to marriage). If you read through Genesis in particular, you will often come across the phraseology: ``[man] lay with [woman], and she became his wife''. This implies that she became his wife when they lay together, i.e. at the point of intercourse. Compare this with Jewish tradition: Joseph, when he heard that Mary was pregnant, had it in mind to divorce her quietly -- but Mary and Joseph were *betrothed*, not married. i.e., they were in a binding relationship (which required a divorce to get out of), but *marriage* would not occur until Mary and Joseph went to bed together. Compare with Christ and the Church (Ephesians 5, Revelation 19): the church is described as the ``bride'' of Christ, but the *marriage* of the Lamb takes place when Jesus returns. i.e., we are in a binding love-relationship with Jesus, but we are still looking forward to the time when the marriage will take place. I see this as the spiritual equivalent of sexual intercourse, because it represents the most intimate fellowship possible between man and God. In summary, engagement should be honoured as a binding relationship, but it is not marriage. A civil ceremony is not marriage either. Marriage occurs at the point when the betrothed couple go to bed together. (I don't mean to demean the civil or church ceremony -- ours was great! I don't mean to be too pedantic.) Historically, I think I am correct in stating that the civil ceremony (i.e. a marriage recognised by the state), has only been around in the West since Napoleon, who introduced it to keep tabs on the people (although I'm ready to be corrected on that point!) This view obviously raises some questions: What about those who have had sex with one or more partners, without considering marriage. Are those people also ``married''? If it is true that marriage occurs at the point of intercourse, is it necessary to be married in the eyes of the state? (I would say Yes, because this honours the laws of our nations in the West. Although it is not illegal to sleep together though unmarried in most Western countries, I believe that it is God- honouring to proclaim our marriage to the state and to our friends before actually consummating our marriage. Its to do with our being salt and light, and also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.) -- ----- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk) And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! " 3672,2,"From: cah@tactix.rain.com (Chris Huey) Subject: Re: Workspace Managers for Win 3.1 - a small review Organization: Tactix ReEngineering, Inc. Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Jamie Scuglia (jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au) wrote: : Thanks to all those people who recommended Workspace managers for : Windows 3.1. I found 3 shareware Workspace Managers, from Australia's : MS-WINDOWS archive (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au), which mirrors some : sites in the U.S. The three I found were: : : 1. WORKSPACES 1.10 (wspace.zip) [ review deleted ] : 2. WORKSHIFT 1.6 (wrksft16.zip) [ review deleted ] : 3. BIGDESK 2.30 and BACKMENU (backdesk.zip) [ review deleted ] I really appreciate this information. However, given that I don't have direct Internet access - which means I don't have Archie access - I must resort to using FTPMAIL. This means that I need the site name and the directory where these workspace managers are located. So, can you (or anyone else) post or Email me the needed information? Thanks very much!!! Chris -- Chris Huey Tactix ReEngineering, Inc. cah@tactix.rain.com Voice: (503) 684-4099 ""CodeCrafters: Custom crafted software in about an hour"" " 3673,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 29 In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals >from being scored- not to score them. When Lemieux or Gilmour play their >number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering >the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is >why they are not Selke candidates. >Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. >He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you >ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey. Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick Duff...and so on... cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 3674,6,"From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu () Subject: Laserdisks Forsale - $20 Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Lines: 97 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu The following laserdisks are in used but ""like-new"" condition: Category Title Price ========================================================================= Horror Rabid Grannies 20.00 ""A blood-spattered tale of two little old ladies who open a surprise package from Hell."" CLV Side 2 CAV 88 min. Horror Forbidden World 20.00 ""Subject 20 is half-human, and one of the researchers is the father."" Roger Corman, Prod. CLV 77 min. Horror Horror Planet 20.00 ""An alien creature has been waiting for a million years to breed, and its time has come."" CLV 93 min. Horror WitchTrap 20.00 ""...and in the upstairs shower, we have the sexy Ms. Ginger Kowowski and this is where all the chillingly frightful fun comes to a head."" CLV 92 min. Murder Bikini Island 20.00 ""Swimwear Illustrated needs a cover girl and the competition is fierce, very fierce. CLV 85 min. Comedy Hysterical 20.00 ""It's a blend of timeless farce, contemporary satire, nonsensical sight gags and dead people singing and dancing."" Hudson Brothers CLV 90 min. Comedy Hollywood Hot Tubs 2 20.00 ""Valley Girl, Crystal, is back in another superheated frolic through those ""Hollywood Hot Tubs""."" CLV 100 min. Comedy Beverly Hills Brats 20.00 ""Scooter's in trouble now, his kidnappers don't take credit cards."" Martin Sheen CLV 90 min. Comedy Transylvania 6-5000 20.00 ""The good citizens of Transylvania invite you to this, the most frighteningly funny event of the year."" Ed Begley Jr., Jeff Goldblum CLV 94 min. Comedy Meet the Hollowheads 20.00 ""Makes the ""Married...With Children"" gang look sane! Just say NO to butt polish."" CLV 89 min. Comedy Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead 20.00 ""No rules. No curfews. No nagging. No pulse. Home Alone times 5!"" Christina Applegate CLV 105 min. Animated POPEYE at Sea 20.00 ""9 hilarious cartoon adventures on the high seas."" CLV 60 min. Color Musical Babes in Toyland 20.00 Disney re-make of the classic with Annette, Tommy Sands, Ray Bolger, and Ed Wynn. CLV 105 min. Action American Angels - Baptism of Blood 20.00 ""Meet the first ladies of Wrestling!"" CLV 99 min. Making of... Runaway Train/52 Pickup 20.00 ""All of the behind the scenes action displayed for your pleasure."" Jon Voigt Ann-Margret CAV 43 min. Drama I Posed for Playboy 20.00 ""When fantasy meets reality!"" Lynda Carter CLV 98 min. Shipping costs of $5.00 per disk ($3.00/disk for 3 disks or more) will be added to the total. 10% off of orders of 5 or more titles. No CODs. MO or checks accepted in advance payment. Larry McElhiney (408) 426-5858 x358 mack@mchome.santa-cruz.ca.us " 3675,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > >But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the >Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't >know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did). > Or, with no dictionary available, they could gain first hand knowledge by suffering through one of your posts. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 3676,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr18.194657.26319@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >> >>CENTERS >>Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers > >Messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries. While the press >made an issue of it, and attempted to link it to the Rangers' internal >political woes, Mike Keenan repeated that to Messier personally during >the MSG press conference. It makes sense ... Messier would probably >have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity ... > Actually, Messier was invited, but declined due to nagging injuries... Keenan and Messier have always gotten along...Keenan dumped Steve Yzerman from the last Canada Cup team, even though Yzerman had endured the training camp, when Messier who had missed essentially the entire camp recovering from injuries became available at the last moment. Gerald " 3677,0,"From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt) Subject: Re: Islamic Banks (was Re: Slavery Reply-To: vdp@mayo.edu Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN Lines: 39 In article 28833@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: #In <1993Apr14.143121.26376@bmw.mayo.edu> vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt) writes: #>So instead of calling it interest on deposits, you call it *returns on investements* #>and instead of calling loans you call it *investing in business* (that is in other words #>floating stocks in your company). # #No, interest is different from a return on an investment. For one #thing, a return on an investment has greater risk, and not a set return #(i.e. the amount of money you make can go up or down, or you might even #lose money). The difference is, the risk of loss is shared by the #investor, rather than practically all the risk being taken by the #borrower when the borrower borrows from the bank. # But is it different from stocks ? If you wish to call an investor in stocks as a banker, well then its your choice ..... #>Relabeling does not make it interest free !! # #It is not just relabeling, as I have explained above. It *is* relabeling ... Also its still not interest free. The investor is still taking some money ... as dividend on his investment ... ofcourse the investor (in islamic *banking*, its your so called *bank*) is taking more risk than the usual bank, but its still getting some thing back in return .... Also have you heard of junk bonds ??? ---Vinayak ------------------------------------------------------- vinayak dutt e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu standard disclaimers apply ------------------------------------------------------- " 3678,3,"From: v119matc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Claus Schwinge) Subject: Needed, large, fast backup utility Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 15 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu I'm looking for a better method to back up files. Currently using a MaynStream 250Q that uses DC 6250 tapes. I will need to have a capacity of 600 Mb to 1Gb for future backups. Only DOS files. I would be VERY appreciative of information about backup devices or manufacturers of these products. Flopticals, DAT, tape, anything. If possible, please include price, backup speed, manufacturer (phone #?), and opinions about the quality/reliability. Please E-Mail, I'll send summaries to those interested. Thanx in advance, -Claus Schwinge -SUNYAB Student Finances and Records " 3679,18,"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 10 Ack! Sorry for the repeat posts: I thought I was posting to the newsgroup on which this appeared. Couldn't figure out why it wasn't appearing in my newsgroup. Stupid of me. Slap my hands. Bang my head against the wall. Sorry! Bloody public anouncements...mumble mumble mumble... ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) When the words fold open, it means the death of doors; even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) " 3680,17,"From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) Subject: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic Summary: :-P Article-I.D.: ns1.C5uvBM.MzE Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu In article <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes: (a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) [Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.] WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT? --The Friendly Neighborhood Alien-- Life just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died... " 3681,11,"From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: deathtongue.mit.edu In-reply-to: jhart@agora.rain.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 06:39:11 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit > about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our > own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to > somebody who has a wiretap on their phone? I find this a very disturbing view! Yes, we DO care about EVERYONE's privacy... Even if ""they"" don't know it. What happens if the gov't starts creating legislation such that the Clipper and such technologies become the only ""legal"" encryption forms? What happens when the Clipper is the *ONLY* type of encryption chips available to the masses? Sure, you might have your own method of encryption, but if you don't have anyone else to talk to, what use is it? You can't assume that EVERYONE will be as open as you appear to be about encryption. The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip. Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you that ""they wont use them unless its totally neccessary."" I sure wouldn't want that. Why should encryption be any different? - -derek PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBuAgUBK9RxVjh0K1zBsGrxAQHd8ALEDi3Ear7rEmr1UHuxqv2YIblH6px6VXnb +sJLcUGzZxTCfxbRqIf7msLp98p0EvYYnLZbbORyVhfSzyyHYHeQqQILHEK3LPQE aP29+od6YZrCCHarNRS024E= =Ftek -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH " 3682,10,"Subject: Re: Rheaume start From: S960121@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Organization: UM-St. Louis NNTP-Posting-Host: umslvma.umsl.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 12 Just a quick note about Manon's immediate future: Rumor has it(USA Today's spor ts page) that she will be playing with Tampa Bay's affiliate in the ECHL(I Thin k. It's been a couple of days. :)) She will supposedly be competing for the num ber 2 goaltender spot. I think, after her performance, which was damn good for someone who hasn't played squat all year, that we'll be seeing a lot more of h er in Atlanta in the years to come. Ward -Go Blades!! Bring home the Turner Cup, again!! " 3683,17," wiscon.weizmann.ac.il!jhsegal Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian Segal) Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center Lines: 130 Well,I tried not to get involved in this never ending talk,but,man,I REALLY got hot about this bullshit. In article <1993Apr13.164305.701@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch writes: >Hakim Abu Ahmed (cu304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: > >: in-reply-to: hm@cs.brown.edu's message >: > zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) writes: > >: > steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: >: > |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it >: > |> take to kill a 5 year old native child? >: > |> >: > |> A: Four >: > |> >: > |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, >: > |> and one writes up a false report. >: > |> Making stupid and idiot jokes about soliders will not bring anything (not mentioning peace or agreement). I also know several tens of jokes about arabs (palestinians) but I DO NOT post them to Usenet (Anyway,not to THIS newsgroup), since I don't think I will achieve any target but making other parts furious,and this is NOT my target. If this is your target...well...that tells a lot about you. >: >Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ? Did you really think he is talking about something realistic? > >: >Harry. > >: You must be kidding ,this is not a single incident >: now. This has become a daily life practice in Gazza >: if you mean the killing of children by armed soldiers. Yeah,well,sometimes,when cowards put their children and wives in the front line, so their enemy cannot do anything,well,maybe in those cases,you have no better thing to do (to save your life) than shooting. And if parents want their children alive,I think it would be better that before they get out to throw stones/molotov botlles,or when they come to kill soliders,to keep their children in the houses. >: If you are objecting the number of occupying israeli >: soldiers (terrorists) or the way they do it , then ^^^^^^^^^^^^----\/ Look in the dictionary at the word ""terrorism""! It says: (nu) the use of threats of violence,and violence esp for political purposes. It sounds more like your guys... >: I caan assure you that they do worse than that. Just as Yeah? Well,I guess you were in there,and you know it all... >: example 11 children were killed this month of Ramadhan >: two of them by military vehicules. An other similar >: incident by vehicule was the one of 25 Feb (4 Ramadhan) >: where thee military truck on purpose hit a passenger ^^^^^^^^^^---\/ Where from do you know that it was ""on purpose""? Personally,I didn't hear about this case,although I don't deny it.But how can ANYBODY,besides the person itself,can say it was ""on purpose""? >: car where the victims were a 5 year girl Safa Sail >: Bisharat >: and Saamud Riyad a 2 weeks old babygirl.( + the 23 >: oldd Raajij Rouhy) Yeah,sure.The truck driver looked in the car with his Zionist Equipment of Detecting Palestinian Children,and then he thought to himself:Hey there is a 5 year and 2 weeks girls in the car.Why won't I make an accident and kill the ""enemy""? Maximum I will die too in the crash...But what do I care?... >: -- >: Hakim. > >Actually, if can remember correctly, was it not reported and even on camera >some time during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or when the itifada began, >that CNN caught regular uniformed Israeli soldiers breaking the arms of >some Arab youngsters in a very professional and brutal manner, (someone >please give full details if they can remember). This is one of the few Well,It was about 3 years ago ,in the Intifada (The fact that you can't remember the time prooves how much do you care about it). I DO NOT think that what the soliders did was correct. But I will not agree that they ""were breaking their arms"".I saw that film,and,unlike in the USA,it was broadcasted entirely not long ago (in a talk show) and at the end the ""arm-broken"" guys got up and walked and used their arms very good. They guy who did it was interviewed and he said he did it because the terrorist or whatever he was refused to take his orders,and spitted in his face. What ammount of truth exist in this statement I cannot tell you,because I wasn't there. But the guy who did it was in prison,if it makes you any good. >occassions on which such a scene has been transmitted to the West and >in the USA ... it caused uproar and was one of the factors that has significantly >changed the preception of the Israeli army's role in the mid-east. No,it didn't. The Israeli army is still the most important army in the midlle east.It is still the only human army(as much as an ARMY can be human).To any American who will claim the opposite,I can only remember the CNN broadcasting of the American Solider who beat a Somalian boy. It was very cruel to see.But I won't say because of this that the American army is cruel. > >So there is proof for you! It is obvious that is a systematic policy of the >Israelis which must be occurring on a massive scale behind the scenes. Some kind of proof! ""Obvious""? Where from? If you say it is behind the scenes, how do you know about it? > >Nadeem > I just wanted to show how much garbadge one can say,without knowing ANYTHING about what he says,and living a life far away from the place he talks about. _____ __Livian__ ______ ___ __Segal__ __ __ __ __ __ *\ /* | | \ \ \ | | | | \ | ***\ /*** | | |__ | /_ \ \ | | | | \ | |---O---| | | / | \ | | | | \ | \ /*\ / \___ / | \ | | | \ | | \___ / | / | \/***\/ / | \ | | | | | / | | VM/CMS: JhsegalL@Weizmann.weizmann.ac.il UNIX: Jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il " 3684,12,"From: mhald@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Mark Hald) Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 13 I booked a hotel (Red Roof Inn) last week in Cincinnati (Blue Ash, which is at the northern tip of the metro. Cincy area). I chose it for a few reasons. 1. All hotels in and near Dayton were booked solid. 2. This hotel is only costing $28/night. 3. It was one of about 4 rooms left on the night I reserved. 4. Cincinnati probably has more to to at night than Dayton. I intend to hit the riverboat entertainment at dusk! If anyone has other suggestions for nightlife, please let me know of other hot spots. Thanks! Mark " 3685,12,"From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) Subject: Re: Info on NEC 3D Multisync monitor Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 43 myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: > > I am looking for any info I can get on the NEC 3D monitor. > > I know that it is a multisync but that is about all. > > I plan on buying one second-hand in a while depending on its specs. > > > > Does anyone know the min/max frequencies, whether it is interlaced, > > non-interlaced, or both, video compatability, etc? > > I have seen a reference to it being .28 pitch with 1024 X 720 resolution > > and that it supports SVGA from one source and that it doesn't support > > SVGA from another source. (Neither source seemed to have much reliable > > info so I don't want to take a guess.) > > I'm at home right now, and so am away from my monitor files; the following > is off the top of my head, subject to revision, worth-what-ya-pay-for-it > sort of info. If you don't hear from anyone who has spec sheet in hand, > e-mail me and I'll look it up. > > If I'm remembering correctly, the 3D is a 14"" 0.28 mm pitch multisync that > covers at least VGA (31.5 kHz horizontal, 60 Hz vertical) to 1024 x 768 > 60 Hz (which is going to be about 48 kHz horizontal). It may go somewhat > higher than that on the horizontal, but you won't be happy with anything > beyond 1024 x 768 on a 14"" 0.28 tube; you probably won't be too thrilled > with the 1024 x 768 on this tube, but it *will* sync up and display it. > (I prefer at least a 16"" 0.28 for this resolution.) Since SVGA is 800x600, > it'll do that too. The horizontal range probably goes lower than 31.5, but > I don't know if it goes all the way down to straight NTSC-rate TV (which need > about 15.75 kHz sweep). As far as ""video compatibility"" (if I'm reading > the question right: it won't take anything but analog RGB inputs. In other > words, it has no way to decode NTSC or Y/C video inputs. You would need > some sort of board to to this conversion - like the sorts of things that > let you display NTSC on a VGA display. > > Hopefully, now, I'll see this response of mine, and it'll remind me to > look this stuff up and confirm it. (Or force me to post a hasty retraction!) Ok, I was under the impression that it accepted digital input. I still don't know for sure if it accepts BOTH interlaced and non-interlaced as I have gotten conflicting info. victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 " 3686,9,"From: Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) Subject: Jack Morris Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 9 As of today, April 17, Jack Morris has lost his first three starts. However, the Jays are doing well without him and injured Dave Stuart. This is a credit to the rest of the pitching staff. Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? " 3687,6,"From: aduh@carson.u.washington.edu (Richard Susanto) Subject: Labtec speaker for SALE Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Hi, Anybody interested in buying my Labtec speaker? Labtec SS-200 Amplified Stereo Speaker System - Built in amplifier - 6 volt input - works with/without batteries - individual volume controls - treble boost switch Great for medium quality PC's sound(adlib,soundblaster..) walkman for: $15 (included shipping...) E-mail me... -- Richard Susanto aduh@carson.u.washington.edu " 3688,4,From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) Subject: LCIII->PowerPC? Organization: dis Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS slot. Is that true? Thanks David Mirsky mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu 3689,16,"From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones) Subject: Re: Letter to the President Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 8 kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes: >the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury, In case you haven't sent it yet, it's ""Bentsen"", not ""Bensen"". Brad " 3690,6,"From: martimer@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (jonathan Sawitsky) Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu In article <1993Apr5.203212.28284@erenj.com> srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.152922.12050@iscsvax.uni.edu>, harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: >|> Fellow netters, >|> >|> Is anybody awake out there? When someone posted a message telling people to >|> stop posting computer ads to the misc.forsale group, he got about thirty >|> response here, not to mention the rash of E-Mail I'm sure he received. Yet, >|> another person posts a message with the subject line ""blow me"" and an even >|> worse text, and only 3 or 4 people have the guts to say anything. The majority > >Not to mention the thread about selling someone's wife. I am a guy, therefore >not overly bummed by it, but a little common sense would dictate that this >is offensive to many women, and not really necessary. > Good point, but I was just thinking.. I wanted to sell my HP28sx calculator here in this newsgroup... It is called a calculator, but really it is a computer, albeit a small one, but it does function as one... How come car adds are acceptable? They cant run without computers nowadays.... Where does one draw the line? Accept it, live with it, and if you care to, avoid it.... jonathan -- I have lots of common sense... I just choose to ignore it.... Calvin ..jonathan Sawitsky 'some random wierdo' martimer@wpi.wpi.edu... " 3691,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 156 v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes... >>The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees. >> >>Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >And maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that >it is next to impossible in Canada to litigate against the health >system-class action suits are nearly impossible, and you can't sue >the provincial health officials at all. Since our doctors are private and the ""system"" is just an insurance plan, litigation would not involve the insurance fund. Our lawyers do not work on contingency, so that if you were to sue for malpractice then you'd better be sure of winning to cover your fees ... likewise, if you were a doctor and subject of a suit, it's time to sweat. >>Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when >>the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors >>were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength >>rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized >>medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service. > >Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it >is. Ask most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get >more powerful. A few weeks ago, the president of the Canadian MA wrote a letter to the NYT to decry a lobbyist's advert repeating the same old trash. This is significant because the AMA and the CMA are interlinked organizations and he would not have done it without the approval of his AMA cronies. >Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside >Ottawa. Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some >studies I've heard about have suggested that about half the patients >there are civilians who not only have connections but aren't ""urgent"" >at all. It serves the same purpose as the Bethesda Naval Hospital ... since not all hospitals can provide everything, maybe they have some stuff that others don't? (Ottawa's population is only a quarter million, if you include the surrounding counties.) >The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are >>approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations >out of medical decisions? I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good >friends with one, you're put on any hospital's ""urgent"" care list no >matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who >gets bumped off the list for some bigshot. People of influence will get their way in any system, American or European. It's the ""Golden Rule"" - he who has the gold makes the rules. (-; As for annual budgets, those are actually annual grants for facilities (e.g., mops, pans, etc.) given to hospitals of which most are private nonprofit foundations (btw, I have no problem with having aggressive for-profit hospitals like the French, who use our approach ... but in the Paris region they have almost as many people as Canada does so their market is much more diverse). The rest has to be made up for by billings from patients who use their services. >>>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW >>>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? >>> >>>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental >>>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private >>>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private >>>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 >>>a month. > >Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage >of GNP spent on health care if dentistry and optometry were included >in the accounting? Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much >on health care as we do. The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total outlay, and are compiled use the same methods by the OECD that yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. >So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. How? They are collecting premiums ... and I'm an advocate of having copayments like the French do in their system in order to make it look more like the real insurance that it is. The private doctors and hospitals will still be there after the insurance (hypothically) disappears, as they were there before it appeared. >Bob Rae, the second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a >few years ago that if they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such >huge numbers, ""the services they expect from the province just won't >be there in a few years"" For one thing, I think that Bob Rae is an idiot ... >He didn't say so, but I knew he meant the OHIP. Most of OHIP comes from separate premiums on your paycheck if you are a player ... he wants to spend our money on other things than the health insurance. Our high taxes are high for other spending but health insurance, which is separate and optional, and it is being spent in a nonpartisan manner by every party. )-; OHIP is just a health insurance plan; it does not provide any kind of health care, that is up to you and your private doctors. >Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no >obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, >but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of >practice in handling such basic services, too). Some of the companies providing extra insurance are subsidiaries of American companies, and their parents provide full insurance down here. Regardless, all firms up north can easily turn on cable TV to see how well the American firms are doing by being involved in basic coverage. The private firms are making too much money after having gotten rid of basic coverage. They run around patting them- selves on the back for their own cooperation in providing extras for those people who ""deserve it"". >>When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the >>risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe >>amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on >>the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat >>themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec >>last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against >>any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's >>public health insurance plan. > >Again, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that >much power. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn't go >along with the provinces and the federal government years ago because >they knew that there was a good chance of the public system going bust >in the long run, and then afterwards they could clean up (Okay, this >sort of contradicts what I said higher up. But it's another possibility). >They'd have an added bonus when arguing against government >involvement in their industry-as they could then point to its failure >instead of just citing theoretical principles. I agree ... they were in a win-win situation. But right now, it seems that they have won bigger, when you look at how full their coffers are. Friends from my sisters' MBA class were still being flown out for job interviews individually with insurance firms in London, ON, (Canada's insurance capitol a la Hartford) along with generous expense privileges this year despite the ongoing post-recession blues. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 3692,7,"From: daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Article-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.234729.100387 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 67 In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J on Cochran) writes: >> > I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt >> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot >> >> I will take this one with a definate grain of salt. Performance data shows a >> >> If this poster has some proof(other than ""my friend blew one away last week"" > > > Want proof? Here is some data on acceleration and handling from >Motor Trend (apr '93). > > Integra GS-R Beretta GTZ > >0-60 7.7 7.7 >1/4 mile 16.0/88.1 16.1/87.8 >L acc (g's) .84 .86 >Slalom 63.7 68.4 >***WRONG*** Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than a Beretta. Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track. Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1 You can't tell exactly by the numbers. Furthermore, the Integra will definately outrun the Beretta on the high end. Car & Driver and Road & track have the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast. > So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep >up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top >speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the >Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta). ***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000 rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!) > The biggest advantage would have to be the price. The Integra costs >$19,111 (as tested Motor Trend), the GTZ costs $16,134 (as tested). The >GTZ also has standard nicities and Airbag and Antilock brakes. An airbag >is not available on the Integra and lower models do not have ABS. >Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4 >is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a >performance coupe, which is what people have been trying to make it out >to be. > Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday, and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak from expierence!) I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you comparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a better investment since it will hold its value considerably much better. And does a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time. NOTE: this isn't a flame on the GTZ, or other GM Quad 4 products. THe Berreta is a nice car, and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable price not to mention, it has an Airbag. But to start quoting figures from one source, isn't too reliable. Read other sources, and drive both cars. While I haven't driven a GTZ, I have driven GTs, and Grand Ams with Quad 4 engines, (so they are similair.) " 3693,2,From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) Subject: ATI ultra pro Drivers? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 4 Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI GUP? Thanks 3694,1,"From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz Subject: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz Does anyone know of software that will allow you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises. Jeff Lyall Inst.Geo.Nuc.Sci.Ltd Lower Hutt New Zealand " 3695,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 134 In article Thomas Parsli writes: >Overall Crime rate: >It fell....just like that... Two questions: When was this, and do you have the relevant numbers. (Please note, this is *not* in any way an indication I don't believe you or that you're not correct, but when the drop occured is relevant.) >Acquiring weapons in Norway: >You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a >permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... >If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from >the police and to be a member of a gun-club. The primary objection (beyond ones based on the ideal of RKBA that it is simply not something the government should do) is that it makes guns a play-thing and tool of the rich and connected. It discriminates against the poor. Is self-defense considered appropriate, and if so, under what conditions? (Are you allowed, for instance to get a gun for protection if you're going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened.) >The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or >records of SERIOUS mental diseases. This has been suggested in the U.S., and generally supported among gun owners. What many object to is that many, if not most, proposals contain a sort of ""gotcha"" clause which allows an arbitrary denial, even if you qualify in every way. >Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun >-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun. >It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? >You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... At this point, it should be pointed out that in general a driver's licence in the U.S. is for the most part nothing like its European counterpart. I understand getting one is far more difficult there than here. In the U.S. it's a joke. But my usual objection is that you're discussing two different things. For instance, in the U.S. a driver's license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. It is not necessary to own one, or to operate it on private property. That is, the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the government's legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands. A permit to own an automobile, for instance, which is far closer an analogy, would be a much harder thing to get past legally, since it wouldn't be based on making regulations on public property, but in restricting activity on private property. >Use of guns in crimes (in Norway): >Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' >for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. >Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short >time befor the crime. > >Use of knives: >It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. >You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open >in public -rigth ?? This varies *widely*. (One thing I think Europeans have a difficult time with is that the U.S. has fifty unique jurisdictions, where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in Europe to another). Some places allow open carry of both guns and knives. Some allow concealed. Some prohibit both, or allow one or the other. And it can be either a state or local restriciton. >Individual vs masses: >Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some >extent.... >Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? >What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of >all the others ?? The question must be asked: Is the right of *this* individual affecting the rights of this *other* individual. What we usually get is that the rights of this *group* (meaning some individuals within this group, here defined as ""people who own guns,"") are adversely affecting the rights of some other group. If for instance, ""Bob"" were using his gun to attack ""Steve,"" you'd have a point. But essentially what we're discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group ""people who own guns"" then some third person, perhaps in another *time zone* is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody else's rights. It's like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one. >The issue: >I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation. The issue is crime, violence, and murder. The question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those. >We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one.... >IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. >But should it have to be like that ?? Of course not. It would be nice if we didn't have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us. But currently we don't have that option. Nor do I expect we will. >Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? No state does. In any case, there's a limit to which the state may enforce it's ""wisdom"" on me. Freedom in general is an unwise concept. If you pre-emptively restrict everything which might be ""unwise"" then freedom becomes a meaningless concept. >If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think >it should be free to buy guns ?? I'll raise my hand against driver's licenses. As currently implemented they're a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the State and ignored by a startling number of drivers. It does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed, or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car. But, as I mentioned, they're two different things. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 3696,18,"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 65 In article , matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: > > > In article 164871 in talk.politics.misc, margoli@watson.ibm.com > (Larry Margolis) writes: > > >>I would suggest that legal precedent defines a human being (i.e., a person > >>whose rights are protected by the Constitution and the law) as someone with > >>a functioning brain. > > >No, if you want to use legal precedent, you should take a look at the > >Model Penal Code, on which many states base their criminal code: > > My apologies if I was unclear; I was not trying to start a statutory > debate, since there are many (in some cases conflicting) statutes on > the books. I was merely suggesting a paradigm that might make sense > for a pro-choicer IMHO. Cite one of these conflicting statutes. You keep making these assertions, but you haven't supported any of them yet. I am speaking of statutes that conflict with the definition Larry posted. Why did you delete the code that Larry posted? Also, the Model Penal Code made perfect sense to me. Were you, perhaps, confused by it? Also, I am still looking for your definition. The one you used clearly indicates that a fetus is not a human being. > >>This is not likely to please either pro-lifers or > >>pro-choicers, but it is pretty clear from the legal/medical concept of > >>""brain death"". > >""Brain death"" is a method of deciding when a (known) person is legally > >dead; there's no analogous concept of ""brain birth"". > I have just coined it. You may object to the paradigm, but it would > make our treatment of human life statutorily consistent. Circular arguments are usually very consistent. > >>>> 3) If a parent has the right to choose to not take responsibility > >>>> for their own child, why are there laws and penalties against > >>>> child abandonment? > >>>This last question is irrelevant and something of a non sequitur. > >>>Can you establish some relevance or even some sense for it? > >>If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly > >>have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward > >>their children. > >And no parent can be forced to supply bodily resources toward their children, > >even if necessary to save the child's life. > There is a confusion here between action and inaction: a parent does not have > to run out in front of a bus to save their child's life either, but a parent > IS required to feed his children. Again, your desire for consistency disappears when it does not suit your needs. The principle of protecting life is abandoned based on ""action versus inaction."" Not much of a principle. Suddenly you recognize that the claim on bodily resources is dependent on circumstances other than this principle of life. That's a very conevnient principle you have there, Matt. Dean Kaflowitz " 3697,19,"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 29 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... >In article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>, >mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: >> These laws written for the Israelites... >> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied >> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We >> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable >> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our >> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation >> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. > >Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. Which Jews KS? (ex. as a people, as a language, religiously, politically, or...) Do you mean those Jews who are God's chosen? {And Malcolm, please, if you will, set your word wrap at 75 or less to avoid clutter?} | -- J -- | | stephen " 3698,11,"From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Beckman Software Engineering Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com Distribution: na,world X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5 Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr17.032022.14021@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieee), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: > Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless > you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent > escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is > the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about > those two names) The problem with ""Let's assume"" reasoning is that, taken to the extreme (and you're close), you arrive at ""Let's assume this is perfectly OK."" The assumptions you make are big ones. If the system is really secure, then why does the government have to keep the algorithm secret? There are plenty of encryption algorithms that don't depend upon nondisclosure to be secure, so why in the world use one that does? There are reasons, of course, but I certainly can't think of any honest ones. Next, you assume we can ""trust"" the escrow houses. But the last time I checked, EVERY SINGLE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT has experienced unauthorized disclosure, corruption, and even fabrication, of supposedly secure data. The govt is saying ""Yeah, but NOW we're serious, so you can trust us."" Bullcrypt. And finally, although you didn't state it explicitly, you implicitly assume that the warrant mechanism in this country is safe and reasonable. The case in Ventura County of a man shot and killed by officers serving a deliberately fraudulant warrant tells me that the govt has a long ways to go on this score. Remember that all this is to catch the drug dealers, right? As others have pointed out, the current proposal will, if deployed, render truly secure encryption much more expensive and inconvenient than Uncle Sam's brand. Who will be able to afford, and be sufficiently motivated, to purchase this expensive, inconvenient higher protection? Somebody with lots of extra cash... The following is more true than ever: ""When [strong] encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have [strong] encryption."" ________________________________________________________________________ | Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com | | Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 | | Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 | |______________________________|_______________________________________| ""You can observe a lot just by watching."" -Yogi Bera " 3699,1,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Lines: 24 In article John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (John Shepardson) writes: >> Can you please offer some recommendations? (3d graphics) > > >There has been a fantastic 3d programmers package for some years that has >been little advertised, and apparently nobody knows about, called 3d >Graphic Tools written by Mark Owen of Micro System Options in Seattle WA. >I reviewed it a year or so ago and was really awed by it's capabilities. >It also includes tons of code for many aspects of Mac programming >(including offscreen graphics). It does Zbuffering, 24 bit graphics, has a >database for representing graphical objects, and more. >It is very well written (MPW C, Think C, and HyperCard) and the code is >highly reusable. Last time I checked the price was around $150 - WELL >worth it. > >Their # is (206) 868-5418. I've talked with Mark and he faxed some literature, though it wasn't very helpful- just a list of routine names: _BSplineSurface, _DrawString3D... 241 names. There was a Product Info sheet that explained some of the package capabilities. I also found a review in April/May '92 MacTutor. It does look like a good package. The current price is $295 US. " 3700,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 21 In <16BA6C947.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > >>There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of >>marriage. >> >>I personally think that part of the value of having lasting partnerships >>between men and women is that this helps to provide a stable and secure >>environment for children to grow up in. >(Deletion) > >As an addition to Chris Faehl's post, what about homosexuals? Well, from an Islamic viewpoint, homosexuality is not the norm for society. I cannot really say much about the Islamic viewpoint on homosexuality as it is not something I have done much research on. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 3701,8,"From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa Organization: Calvin College Lines: 41 ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are >long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? >I eagerly await comment. Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that utilizes the ""hit-the-ground-running"" merging technique. At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about. Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country, I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally speaking, much like a brick). Negotiating my way into this intersection that somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a glance at my impending destiny. Lucifer's own DOG. Hell's secret blend of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman, yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite *wrong* end to be at). The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no mistaking the fangs and saliva trail. To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread. No blood, though-- Rats. Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought to be allowed to carry handguns. -Erc. _______________________________________________________________________________ C Eric Sundheim GrandRapids, MI, USA `90 Hondo VFR750f DoD# 1138 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3702,6,"From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Subject: TCD-D3 DAT Walkman For Sale Summary: I am backing out because someone is selling me another Keywords: Digital Audio Tape Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 64 I recently backed out of purchasing an almost-unused Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman, having found someone else who has a unit I personally prefer (and am paying more for). However, it's still a heck of a machine for the price -- it is quite rugged, and many people out there swear by it. (It's probably the most popular walkman-style DAT machine out there.) Anyway, the guy selling it is Bryan Davis (bdavis@netcom.com), and here's what he told me: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what is included: - TCD-D3 DATman. - (2) RCA to Stereo 1/8"" plug cables. One for analog input, one for analog output. - Optical digital I/O cable (one lead for input, one for output). - A copy of my sales receipt with a note about your purchase. The unit is still under factory warrantee. - AC adaptor/battery charger. - Rechargable battery. I paid $750 + tax for it so I hope you don't mind if I keep the 60 minute tape it came with (I have some samples on it!). [By the way, he spent at least $100 too much for it, unless he's including an extended warranty, which is advised for DAT machines, since it costs about $300 to replace the head when it wears out, and it probably will within 5 years if you use it a lot.. -- davisonj] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to quote my sale price for him: that would not be nice. Send him mail and ask him what he wants. Again, I've used the TCD-D3, and I have to say that I can certainly understand why it is as popular as it is. I've been using one for a little while, and although I had some problems with it recently, I should also point out that the particular one I was using had been on the road for two years and had truly been _used_ during that time. (This is the same exact DAT machine that was lugged around the U.S. and Canada to record the Jazz Butcher Conspiracy for their recent live album.) Bryan Davis says: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know at least half a dozen professional musicians and record labels in S.F who use that model (and have been for a while) with no reported problem. My problem is that everyone I know already has one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'nuff said. The reason I'm not getting it is that I found someone else selling me a unit that features phono-plug SPDIF I/O instead of optical (I don't have any optical ports on my equipment, but you, the reader, might), and it also has some other bells & whistles that the TCD-D3 doesn't. (I am also paying more for the alternative.) Note that phono-plug-to-optical SPDIF adapters are available if you absolutely must have one. Of course, it has SCMS. All consumer decks do. (So do Sony Minidiscs, by the way.) Anyway, if you're interested, get in touch with bdavis@netcom.com. -- John Davison davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu " 3703,1,"From: weber@sipi.usc.edu (Allan G. Weber) Subject: Need help with Mitsubishi P78U image printer Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 26 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sipi.usc.edu Our group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some help with it. We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in addition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray level images. However, the manual that came with it only describes how to format the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images. After some initial problems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a parallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images just fine. I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the 256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video signal inputs. This was not mentioned in the sales literature. However they did say the P78U can do 6 bit/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but they didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they would call Japan, etc. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit/pixel images from the video source, it can't store 8 bits/pixel in the memory. It's not like memory is that expensive any more. If anybody has any information on getting 6 bit/pixel (or even 8 bit/pixel) images out of this thing, I would greatly appreciate your sending it to me. Thanks. Allan Weber Signal & Image Processing Institute University of Southern California weber@sipi.usc.edu " 3704,4,"From: jfinete@cats.ucsc.edu (Joseph Manuel Finete) Subject: Re: what do y'all think of the IIvx? Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu In article <1p5e0tINNojp@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> bell-peter@yale.edu (Peter Bell) writes: >My advisor has decided to get a mac for the lab now that we are funded again. > >The consensus in the lab was that all we really needed was an LCIII, but >he decided he wanted a centris 610. The lack of an fpu on that machine, >and the price, struck me as making it worth less than an LCIII, so I have >suggested we get a IIvx instead. It seems heavily expandable, and for > >what do people with IIvx's think of them? They seem like good machines to >me, and I like the Nubus slots in case we ultimately decide we want to do >work with video on it.... The IIvx...LCIII performance at a Centris 610 price. The only reason to get an IIvx is if you really need the full-size Nubus slots. Keep in mind that the 610 supports all Apple monitors and has optional Ethernet. This lessens (but doesn't eliminate) the need for Nubus cards. And unless you're running FPU-intensive software, the 610 will blow the doors off the LCIII and the IIvx. The LCIII, on the other hand, is sufficient for most people and has a great price. If you haven't guessed, I find halving the bus clock (the IIvx 32MHz uP vs. 16MHz bus) a throughly bad thing and I hope Apple never does it again. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ |Joe Finete | |jfinete@cats.ucsc.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3705,3,"From: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) Subject: NEW SVGA card? Reply-To: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 12 Hi, all hardware netters, I've seen recently on some magazines advertising a ?NEW? Trident graphics card call 8900CL. The ad said it's new and *faster*. How is it compare to Tseng ET4000? BTW, which is the fastest *non-accelerated* SVGA on the market? Any info or benchmark are welcome. Thanks in advance. regards, Desmond Li LUT, UK. " 3706,8,"From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant Reply-To: pooder@msus1.msus.edu Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: |> For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion, |> what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe |> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon. |> (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official |> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...) |> Prestone. I buy it at ShopKo for less than that a _gallon_. BMW has even more expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be from grapes only grown in certain parts of the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said ""Don't worry about it -- just change it yearly and keep it topped off"". It's been keeping Gretchen happy since '87, so I guess it's OK. Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for 12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess it's aluminum safe. *Former owner of the late lamented Rochester BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy. -- Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD #591 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""What Do *You* Care What Other People Think?"" -- Richard Feynman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I share garage space with: Gretchen - '86 K75 Harvey - '72 CB500 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- << Note the different ""Reply-To:"" address if you want to send me e-mail>> " 3707,10,"From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Distribution: na Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology Lines: 59 maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <115873@bu.edu> Jason Gibson writes: >>I can live with the other changes that have been made (e.g. the playoff format >>change), but the change to the division and conference names really annoys me. >>""Batman"" was on TSN last night saying that changing the names would make the >>game easier for the ""occasional fan to follow"". He should have said what he >>meant: that changing the names will make the game easier for _Americans_ in >>non-hockey cities to follow. I don't know of too many of my friends who had >>a hard time following which teams were in each division. Even a minimal amount >>of exposure to the game allows a person to quickly pick up on this. >There is nothing wrong with making the game easier for ""_Americans_"" to >follow. The more fans the merrier and even if you dislike the ""occasional"" >fan there is always the chance that these fans will become fanatics. >I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names >Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called >""builders"" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein >in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the >game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to >name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people >who deserve it. I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although they were not great players themselves. I agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans, then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like a reasonable idea. If we can get people in the (arena) door by being uncomplicated, then let's do so. Once we have them, they will realize what a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something abotu the history of the game. >The history of the names can be put rather succinctly. All of the aforemen- >tioned used the game of hockey to make money. Can you imagine a Pocklington >division? A Ballard division? Or how about a Green division? No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy individual (from what I have heard). Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming division after management people rather than players is adding insult (in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was deserved). _______________________ Evan Pritchard -------- Number 1 or 9 depending on the hockey pool ======================= epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu " 3708,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr17.225127.25062@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: >You exagerate to the point of libel. I gave only unpopular reasons >deliberately. Or do you think that we should have let Iraq absorb Kuwait? >I could make the tired old 1939 Poland comparison, but I think you've >heard it. But the principle aplies, never play a Chamberlain and >roll over to another country being invaded. That only invites further >invasions. Perhaps we ought not to have supported a known genocidist? Provided him with weapon systems, tactical support, technology, etc. We made Suddam Hussein. What did Bush call him? Oh yes, an ally and a freind. --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" " 3709,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Ozal Died! Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 9 It was announced on NPR 4/17/93 10:00 am EDT, that Turkish President Ozal died of a heart attack in Ankara. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 3710,13,"From: dpc47852@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Paul Checkman) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: news.C5wI4F.Dt Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) writes: >Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug >or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised >at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, >reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. I tend to disagree- I think anecdotal evidence, provided there is a lot of it, and it is fairly consistent, will is very important. First, it points to the necessity of doing a study, and second, it at least says that the effects are all psychological (or possibly allergy in this case). As I've pointed out before, pyschological effects are no less real than other effects. One person's ""make-believe"" can easily be another person's reality. Using psychadelic drugs in a bizarre and twisted example, the hallucinations one person experiences on an acid trip cannot be guaranteed to another person on an acid trip- there is no clinical evidence that those effects are always going to happen. Anyhow, that was a pretty lame example, but hopefully I made my point- it's all a matter of perception, and as long as someone ingesting MSG perceives it as causing bad effects, then s/he can definitely experience those affects. On the other hand, it could just be an allergy to the food it's in, or something. Still, anecdotal evidence is not worthless- it's the stuff that leads to the study being done. -Dan " 3711,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism : Evidence? Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 26 In article <1qid04$fct@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >I don't see anything special about theism in general that makes it a >particular hazard (more so than say, stupidity, anarchy, or patriotism). >Of course, it depends on the religion, but I see nothing about believing >in gods that in and of itself entails or even promotes xenophobia, genocide, >etc. If the emphasis is on the ""in general"", then of course you're correct, since you haven't really said anything. If we restrict our observations to practiced religions, there are lots of examples of god mandated genocide. Just ask the Canaanites. The point is that if you believe in a god, and if you believe he has ordered you to eliminate an entire race, you will likely make the attempt. After all, if it was OK in the past, it could surely be OK in the present. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 3712,15,"From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) Subject: Need Help with ""They came for the Jews"" quote Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 19 Years ago I grabbed the following from the net - maybe from this newsgroup. Does anyone know of a source for whether this is an accurate quote? Thanks! Bartletts leaves out the homosexual lines, but they were one of the groups the Nazis tried to exterminate. === In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a homosexual. Then they came for the catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me --- but by that time there was no one left to speak up. -- Pastor Martin Neimoller " 3713,19,"From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: >In a previous article, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) says: >> >>ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the >>Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is >>the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. >> > Just wondering, do you mean the ""Lectorium Rosicrucianum""? >Warning: There is no point in arguing who's ""legit"" and who's not. *WHICH* >Golden Dawn are you talking about? No, I don't mean the LR, whatever that is. As for which GD, I'm using _The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic_ as my source, so (unless Regardie is lying) I'm pulling the name out the the original order's rituals. The multiple modern groups are part of why I through in the comment about all the ""spin-offs"". > Just for the sake of argument, (reflecting NO affiliation) >I am going to say that the TRUE Rosicrucian Order is the Fraternitas >Rosae Crucis in Quakertown, Penn., As a member of the Religious Society of Friends (my membership is in the Urbana-Champaign (IL) Friends Meeting) I find that amusingly ironic. :) > Any takers? :-) Not me--I don't want to belong to *anything* which runs around claiming to be the TRUE whatever. I find that disgusting. :( Enjoy the journey! --Br'anArthur Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-) ****************************************************************************** Closed minds don't want to know. --JJObermark " 3714,10,"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 26 In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > > > Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter >of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on >NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: > >Canadians: 400 >Americans: 100 >Europeans: 100 Xenophobic trash deleted. > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. > > I just don't want them on mine. If you're going to go to those extremes, I guess you'd better start packing. Because unless you're a Native North American, this isn't your continent either. Lori " 3715,15,"From: oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE? Organization: Washington University Astrophysics Lines: 4 Frank, I got your mailing on early historical references to Christianity. I'd like to respond, but I lost your address. Please mail me. -Scott Oser " 3716,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 22 tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu writes: > Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or > Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? > Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way > to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political > agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. > > Tim First let me correct myself in that it was Goerbels and not Goering (Airforce) who ran the Nazi propaganda machine. I agree that Arab news sources are also inherently biased. But I believe the statement I was reacting to was that since the american accounts of events are not fully like the Israeli accounts, the Americans are biased. I just thought that the Israelis had more motivation for bias. The UN has tried many times to condemn Israel for its gross violation of human rights. However the US has vetoed most such attempts. It is interesting to note that the U.S. is often the only country opposing such condemnation (well the U.S. and Israel). It is also interesting to note that that means other western countries realize these human rights violations. So maybe there are human rights violations going on after all. " 3717,11,"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 18 kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: [...] >The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex >and pictures newsgroups at various universities. [...] So what? Justices William Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, John Paul Stevens, and Byron White are associated with a plurality Supreme Court decision that prevented the removal of ""anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and just plain filthy"" books from a public high school library [_Board of Education v. Pico_ (1982)]. Does this mean that they could no longer defend free expression and privacy? - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = " 3718,5,"From: pramodmm@deforest.ee.washington.edu (Pramod Mahadev) Subject: Help on xlib and include files Article-I.D.: shelley.1r6om2INN3tf Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: deforest.ee.washington.edu Hi Xperts! I have a Sparc-1 with very limited disk space on /usr partition. previously, i was able to run all x-windows applications and then i upgraded my system to sun o.s. 4.1.3 and realized that , the hard disk did not have enough space to load openwindows. My immediate alternative was to load only the neccessary files to boot the system. This resulted in not loading openwindows. As a result of which none of the X-libraries got loaded. I am trying to load just the libraries and include files and bin/X11 files required for running X-windows and compiling my programs written for Xlib and Xaw. In a desperate effort to regain x-windows, i retrieved /usr/lib/libX*.* files from the tape . /usr/bin/X11/* and /usr/include/X11/* . Is this enough for running X-windows BUt i did not get /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ sub directories . these are mainly 100dpi, 75dpi and misc. when i run xinit, the error message says /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi etc are not in the default path. But the problem is i cannot load any of those directories as there is no disk space. Are there any temporary suggestions before I get a 1.5 GB disk and load openwindows , to just have my x-windows running. Thanks Pramod -- " 3719,18,"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr17.022222.28105@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >It seems that conservatives are putting a lot of effort into >showing up the 10% figure, but that really doesn't make a >difference. Like I said, who cares how many there are? Would >the fact that they're only 1% of the population justify >discrimination against them? I don't think so. Uh, well, Golly Gee Whiz. Let me see, when the new President, as his first big ""policy act"" tries to force homosexuals (acceptance thereof) on the military, despite polls showing a consistent 75%+ against it, and the minority is only 1%, well, gee, I sure think that is newsworthy. Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) " 3720,2,"From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: EMM386.EXE and Windows and Dos6 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 37 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, rudim@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Rudi Maelbrancke) says: >In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 >recommended me to do that (32bit access). >If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory >free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K >of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K. > I think you need the EMM386.EXE noems This will let the expanded mem be active but not use any, therefore this will give you more extended mem for windows yet have all the bases covered. >I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX, > I do not use dos6 so I am not familiar with this. >Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs >some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those >that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?) > >I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for >DOS using a windows programming environment. > > >Rudi > c-ya..... /\/\artin -- This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson ========================================================================= ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS " 3721,13,"From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092 Lines: 92 Have you ever met a chemist? A food industry businessman? You must personally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they are evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease as possible into the general public. Gimme a break. In article <1993Apr15.215826.3401@rtsg.mot.com> lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. L undby) writes: > >>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are >too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!! Because it makes the food TASTE BETTER! Why does it put salt in food? Same reason. >I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! Obviously. >Somebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY! >IS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF? Of course not! (Although I would think that a person like you would be a big fan of such recycling if that were the case). >IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE >FOOD IS POOR QUALITY? On occasion that's probably the case, but in general the idea is that MSG improves the flavor of certain foods. >DO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK? No. >DO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...) > THAT MSG CORRECTS? No. >I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! Obviously. >ALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp) As I recall, these are natural by-products of heating up certain foods. They don't ""put it in there"". have a number of criteria in choosing how to process food. They want to make it taste good, look good, sell for a good price, etc. The fact that they use it tells me that THEY think that it contributes to those goals they are interested in. One of those goals is NOT ""making people sick"". Such a goal woud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit. >I think >1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as >large as those on cig. packages. Warning of what? In California there is a law requiring that ANYTHING which contains a carcinogen be labeled. That includes every gasline pump, most foods, and even money cleaning machines (because Nickel is a mild carcinogen). The result is that now nobody pays any attention to ANY of the warnings. >2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these >substances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and >SULFITES on the package. Why? What if not 30% of people wanted to buy this ugly, rotten, not-as-tasty food? I guess it will just be wasted, huh? How terribly efficient. >3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5. For that matter why dye food? Because it makes food look better. I LIKE food that looks good. If vitamin companies want to do that it is fine, but who are you to tell THEM how to make vitamins? Who are you to tell ME whether I should buy flavored vitamins for my kids (who can't swallow the conventional ones whole). >KEEP FOOD FOOD! QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK! How do you define ""junk""? Is putting ""salt"" in food bad? What about Pepper? What about alcohol as a preservative? What about sealing jars with wax? What about vinegar? You seem to think that ""chemicals"" are somehow different than ""food"". The fact is that all foods are 100% chemicals. You are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing. --Brian " 3722,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons! Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr21.001555.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such.. Why not?? If you can put them on ""safe"" ""pause"" mode.. why not have them be activated by a signal from a space craft (manned?) to act as a naviagtion beacon, to take a directional plot on?? Wierd or what? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 3723,15,"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) Subject: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 13 Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... I've been wondering if anyone would ever ask the question, Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are muslims? Can/Does God use those who are not following him to accomplish tasks for him? Esp those tasks that are punative? James Sledd no cute sig.... but I'm working on it. " 3724,1,"Subject: XV under MS-DOS ?!? From: NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch Organization: EICN, Switzerland Lines: 24 Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I use frequently XV on a Sun Spark Station 1 and I never had problems, but when I start it on my computer with -h option, it display the help menu and when I start it with a GIF-File my Hard disk turns 2 or 3 seconds and the prompt come back. My computer is a little 386/25 with copro, 4 Mega rams, Tseng 4000 (1M) running MS-DOS 5.0 with HIMEM.SYS and no EMM386.SYS. I had the GO32.EXE too... but no driver who run with it. Do somenone know the solution to run XV ??? any help would be apprecied.. Thanx in advance !!!! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- * * * Pascal PERRET | perret@eicn.etna.ch * * Ecole d'ingénieur ETS | (Not Available at this time)* * 2400 Le LOCLE | * * Suisse * * !!!! Enjoy COMPUTER !!!! * * * --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3725,1,Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: scanned grey to color equations? Lines: 7 A while back someone had several equations which could be used for changing 3 f iltered grey scale images into one true color image. This is possible because it's the same theory used by most color scanners. I am not looking for the obv ious solution which is to buy a color scanner but what I do need is those equat ions becasue I am starting to write software which will automate the conversion process. I would really appreciate it if someone would repost the 3 equations /3 unknowns. Thanks for the help!!! 3726,1,"From: gwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ge Wang) Subject: Packages for Fashion Designers? Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 3 Hello, I am looking for commercial software packages for professional fashion designers. Any recommendation and pointers are greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me, if you may. Thanks a million. -- Ge " 3727,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 121 I received the following two notes from Martin Hellman with details on how Clipper will work. They are posted with his permission. The implications of some details are fascinating. ------- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:05:23 PDT From: ""Martin Hellman"" To: (a long list of recipients) Subject: Clipper Chip Most of you have seen the announcement in Friday's NY Times, etc. about NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology) announcing the ""Clipper Chip"" crypto device. Several messges on the net have asked for more technical details, and some have been laboring under understandable misunderstandings given the lack of details in the news articles. So here to help out is your friendly NSA link: me. I was somewhat surprised Friday to get a call from the Agency which supplied many of the missing details. I was told the info was public, so here it is (the cc of this to Dennis Branstad at NIST is mostly as a double check on my facts since I assume he is aware of all this; please let me know if I have anything wrong): The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in Silicon. Each chip will have two secret, 80-bit keys. One will be the same for all chips (ie a system-wide key) and the other will be unit specific. I don't know what NIST and NSA will call them, but I will call them the system key SK and unit key UK in this message. The IC will be designed to be extremely difficult to reverse so that the system key can be kept secret. (Aside: It is clear that they also want to keep the algorithm secret and, in my opinion, it may be as much for that as this stated purpose.) The unit key will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. When a law enforcement agency gets a court order, they will present it to these two escrow authorities and receive K1 and K2, thereby allowing access to the unit key UK. In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK producing E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links over which a message will flow.] This gives the agency access to E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number in the above message. They then check the serial number of the unit and see if it is on the ""watch list"" for which they have a court order. If so, they will decrypt E[K; UK] to obtain K, and then decrypt E[M; K] to obtain M. I am still in the process of assessing this scheme, so please do not take the above as any kind of endorsement of the proposed scheme. All I am trying to do is help all of us assess the scheme more knowledgably. But I will say that the need for just one court order worries me. I would feel more comfortable (though not necessarily comfortable!) if two separate court orders were needed, one per escrow authority. While no explanation is needed, the following story adds some color: In researching some ideas that Silvio Micali and I have been kicking around, I spoke with Gerald Gunther, the constitutional law expert here at Stanford and he related the following story: When Edward Levi became Pres. Ford's attorney general (right after Watergate), he was visited by an FBI agent asking for ""the wiretap authorizations."" When Levy asked for the details so he could review the cases as required by law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: No single person or authority should have the power to authorize wiretaps (or worse yet, divulging of personal keys). Sometimes he or she will be an Edward Levi and sometimes a John Mitchell. Martin Hellman ---- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 11:41:42 PDT From: ""Martin Hellman"" To: smb@research.att.com Subject: Re: Clipper Chip It is fine to post my previous message to sci.crypt if you also post this message with it in which: 1. I ask recipients to be sparse in their requesting further info from me or asking for comments on specific questions. By this posting I apologize for any messages I am unable to respond to. (I already spend too much time answering too much e-mail and am particularly overloaded this week with other responsibilities.) 2. I note a probably correction sent to me by Dorothy Denning. She met with the person from NSA that I talked with by phone, so her understanding is likely to better than mine on this point: Where I said the transmitted info is E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} she says the message is not double encrypted. The system key (or family key as she was told it is called) only encrypts the serial number or the serial number and the encrypted unit key. This is not a major difference, but I thought it should be mentioned and thank her for bringing it to my attention. It makes more sense since it cuts down on encryption computation overhead. " 3728,5,"From: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Richardson) Subject: Re: How 2 Get Fontname from Fonstruct ??? Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr20.105725@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov> dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) writes: > >Anyone know how an application can retrieve the name of the font from >an application given an XFontStruct *? >Would XGetFontProperty work if I passed XA_FONT_NAME? >anyone know details of this? Thanks in advance. >Brian > >-- >Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at >dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing >!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan Try this: char *name=NULL; unsigned long value; if(XGetFontProperty(font, XA_FONT, value)) name=XGetAtomName(dpy, value); where dpy is your Display connection and font your XFontStruct pointer. -- Alan Richardson, * ""You don't have to be * School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise"" * Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest***** UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk " 3729,7,"From: williac@govonca.gov.on.ca (Chris Williams) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Government of Ontario Lines: 71 In vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore) writes: >tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes: >> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Vel >> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >> >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly >> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck >> >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she >> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and >> >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. >> > >> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >> >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? >> > >> >Erik velapold >> >> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason >> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is >> ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort >> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised >> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the >> message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! >> >> AT >Well people fortunatly or unfortunatly , >only the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among >developed nations). >I am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that >can happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket >picked by Slaves or Russian refugees. >Of cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare. >I.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during >the night without even worrying. >In Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look >behind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a >sparkling cleen. >Whoever of you have been there you know what I am saying. >I dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism >we might get somewhere. >Of course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce >crime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend >more money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech >revelant). >Vlasis Theodore >___________________ >Software Engineer >IDB Mobile Communications. >Sig under development ... I remember this happening on the I-75 through Michigan and Ohio several years back. A group of guys in an old beater would rear end a car, usually out of state or Canadians. You stop and they smack you with a BB bat. At least they didn't kill you for the sake of a car. I think the cops put out decoys and this calmed down for a while. Vlasis, are you safe walking through Germany if you are a refugee ? " 3730,7,"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: legal car buying problems Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 41 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr20.143930.13144@chpc.org>, rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes... >In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> > bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes: >>After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new >>car. Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were >>different from the terms I had agreed to. (I made the stupid mistake >>of not checking everything on the contract). This all happened last >>Saturday. >>I have heard that there is a ""cooling-off"" law allowing me three days >>to reconsider the contract. Is this true? Can anyone point me to the >>law? The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters. >This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen >you are solicited at home. I also think the cooling off period ends >if you actually accept the merchandise. >If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return >a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it. Yeah - >that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy >& return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned >used car. FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY On the other hand, if it can be proven, it's possible the changed terms could be thrown out. The question will be whether the agreement contains a merger clause. See UCC @ 2-202 (parol evidence). If we're talking about warranties, then, of course, UCC @ 2-316 should be looked at. But we have so little information that none of us can say anything conclusive. Daniel Reitman ""The Uniform Commercial Code protects the innocent purchaser, but it is not a shield for the sly conniver, the blindly naive, or the hopelessly gullible."" Atlas Auto Rental Corp. v. Weisberg, 54 Misc. 2d 168, 172, 281 N.Y.S.2d 400, 405 (N.Y. City Civ. Ct. 1967). " 3731,16,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr14.165633.2170@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >As for the MOVE incident, wasn't the mayor of Philadelphia at the time Black ? For the first Move incident (no bomb, several members killed in gunfire, circa 1978) the mayor was the very white Frank Rizzo. For the second (bomb included) the mayor was Wilson Goode, who is indeed black. -jim halat " 3732,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Contact person for boots Keywords: combat Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr15.132316.4054@news.columbia.edu>, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: |> Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving |> me |> a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 |> 1/2 |> D in size). These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf |> height boots that use only velcro for enclosure. I have phoned |> around |> and nobody seems to carry such an item. I admit I have not gone |> into |> the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some |> calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck. |> |> Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as |> well |> as does mail order? Any help would be appreciated. |> Currently there are no ""Velcro"" jump boots as issue in the military, there are two other kinds. One is made my Cochran and sell for $85.00 in either the Clothing sales store or US Cavalry (Price match at the Cav store) the second co is also sold but somewhat cheaper in design. Actually they don't care what you wear as long is they are 10 eyelets high. There is another boot called a ""Tankers boot"" this has similar construction to a wellington boot except for the boot shape and has straps that wrap around for tightness. Nice boots -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 3733,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 131 In <2942956021.3.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: >>DATE: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 10:00:39 GMT >>FROM: Fred Rice >> >>In <1p8ivt$cfj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >> >>>Should we British go around blowing up skyscrapers next? >> >>I don't know if you are doing so, but it seems you are implying >>(1) that the person accused of blowing up the WTC in NY actually did it, >>and >>(2) that Islamic teachings have something to do with blowing up the WTC. >> >>[WTC = World Trade Centre, which was the building that was blown up, I >>think.] >> >>Okay... to make some comments... >> >>(1) The person has only been accused -- innocent until proven guilty, >>remember? Secondly, there seem to be some holes in his accusation that >>I read about. For instance, if they guy used that particular van to >>blow up the building, and then to go back and claim his deposit back >>afterwards, he must be incredibly stupid. >Perhaps Salamen was one of those ""uneducated"" Muslims we hear so much about. >>Nevertheless, he was >>apparently smart enough to put together a very sophisticated bomb. It >>doesn't seem to fit together, somehow. >Actually, Salameh was not the ONLY person involved. The other fellow was >a chemical engineer working for Allied Signal who had specifically studied >explosive devices in school (believe it or not - we actually allow radical >Muslim types to study things like this in our universities - so much for >the price of freedom) From what I read, the other fellow told Salameh how to put it together over the phone. The bomb was supposedly some sort of sophisticated type, so to put a (I assume complicated) sophisticated bomb together from instructions _over the phone_ (!) one must need some brains I would expect. >>Despite this, there have >>already been many attacks and threats against mosques and Muslims in the >>United States as a consequence of his accusation, I have read. >> >O.K., now please tell us where this is happening. I live in the U.S. and >I have heard very little about these mosque attacks. There are many mosques >in Houston, Texas and I would like to know what is going on so I can verify >this. Or is the Great Jewish Media Conspiracy keeping us from knowing about >this in the U.S. We heard about the mosque attacks during the Desert Storm >venture, so why is it so quiet now? Maybe it is localized to New Jersey? I read this in an article in ""The Australian Muslim Times"", the newspaper (weekly) of the Australian Muslim community. If this is true, perhaps one of the Muslims based in North America (if they see this posting) can elaborate. >>(2) Islamic teachings teach against harming the innocent. In the Qur'an >>it explicitly teaches against harming innocents even in times of war. >>The blowing up of the WTC and harming innocents is therefore in blatant >>contradiction to Islamic teachings. >This means absolutely nothing. Plenty of people commit violence while >following what they think are valid religious principles. I have seen >people post many things here from the Koran which could be ""misinterpreted"" >(if that is the explanation you wish to use) by an ""uneducated"" Muslim to >allow them to harm idolators and unbelievers. The first thing every Muslim >says is that no Muslim could have done that because Islam teaches against >harming innocents. And we are supposed to take you WORD that it NEVER >happens. What do you think is the consequence? Does Allah strike them >down before the ""alleged"" violence occurs? Of course not. Muslims commit >the violent act and then everyone hides behind verses in the Koran. We're >pretty hip to that trick. And I even doubt that it will come up in the >trials. >""My defense is that I am Muslim and Islam teaches me not to harm the innocent. >Therefore, the people who were killed must not have been innocent. Sure we >set off the bomb, your honor, but you must remember, sir, I am a Muslim. >Allah is all-powerful. Allah would not have allowed this. Are you insulting >my religion?"" >Great defense, eh? >Just admit that there are some incredibly stupid, violent Muslims in the >world and stop hiding from that fact. It does no one any good to deny it. >It only makes the more reasonable Muslims look like they are protecting the >bad ones. Can you see that? I don't deny this fact. The thrust of my argument here is that (a) Salameh is, according to US law, innocent as he has not been found guilty in a court of law. As his guilt has not been established, it is wrong for people to make postings based on this assumption. (b) Islam teaches us _not_ to harm innocents. If Muslims -- who perhaps have not realized that Islam teaches this -- perform such actions, it is _not_ _because_ of the teachings of Islam, but rather _in spite of_ and _in contradiction to_ the teachings of Islam. This is an important distinction. I should clarify what Muslims usually mean when they say ""Muslim"". In general, anyone who calls themselves a ""Muslim"" and does not do or outwardly profess something in clear contradiction with the essential teachings of Islam is considered to be a Muslim. Thus, one who might do things contrary to Islam (through ignorance, for example) does not suddenly _not_ become a Muslim. If one knowingly transgresses Islamic teachings and essential principles, though, then one does leave Islam. The term ""Muslim"" is to be contrasted with ""Mu'min"", which means ""true believer"". However, whether a Muslim is in reality a Mu'min is something known only by God (and perhaps that person himself). So you will not find the term Mu'min used very much by Muslims in alt.atheism, because it is not known to anybody (except myself and God), whether I, for example, am a ""true believer"" or not. For example, I could just be putting on a show here, and in reality believe something opposite to what I write here, without anyone knowing. Thus, when we say ""Muslims"" we mean all those who outwardly profess to follow Islam, whether in practice they might, in ignorance, transgress Islamic teachings. By ""Muslim"" we do not necessarily mean ""Mu'min"", or ""true believer"" in Islam. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 3734,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 48 >maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >|> >|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to >|> rock >|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... >|> >|> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and >|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. >|> >|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know >|> for >|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... >|> church >|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should >|> I just >|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or >|> should I >|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my >|> likely >|> passenger? Do I have to be the one to say it? DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against. If you fall with the helmet on and you hit the same spot the helmet landed on during the drop, the helmet may not protect your head as well as it was intended to do. Conservative rec.moto'ers will recommend that you replace the helmet. If you want to be sure that it will protect you adequately, you should. HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN. Jeezus. My new Shoei would be $340 to replace. You think I'm going to leave it to chance? Cripe. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 3735,9,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 43 kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? > > Unoffically, but without a doubt, America's Team is the Cubs. Why? > Well, my guess is because America loves underdogs. Every year, no matter > the Cubs' talent or the predictions, they never (as close to never as > possible) win anything. Over the years, as the losing has mounted, America > has fallen in love with these perennial losers. The Cubs have more fans > in Chicago then some teams do worldwide. The Cubs have more fans > worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined. > An aura of excitement surrounds the Cubs at the beginning of the season > like no one else. (including the WS champs) It must be that Eternal Hope. > ""this is the year. they've got the talent. they're off to a good start. > they've got the pitching (or hitting, or whatever their strong point is > at the time)."" It's that inevitability that the Cubs WILL eventually > win the WS again. When? Only God knows. Since it's been so long, it > could come at any time, or it could be another 85 years. But until they > do finally win, and start winning consistently, The Cubs will remain > America's Lovable Underdogs. The Cubs are...AMERICA'S TEAM. > Orin. > Bradley U> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, not the Cubs. I root for the Cubs, because I feel sorry for them, but basically they are dogs. The Pirates today are a great example of an underdog. If the Rockies and Marlins compete, they will be underdogs. The North Stars trip to the Stanley Cup finals was a good example of an underdog's journey. The Cubs have a good team this year, and play in a weak division, they are much less than America's Team. > >-- >I'm really a jester in disguise! -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 3736,3,"From: LesleyD@cup.portal.com (Lesley Volta Davidow) Subject: Re: Zeos Computers Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 11 I recently purchased the then current Pkg.# 486dx-33 for $2395 (but changed to NEC 3FGx monitor upgrade). Buy this Pkg. #3 now - for $100 more, you now get a bigger HD - 340mb with @256 HD cache. 30 days ago, when I bought this pkg., it was 245mb with @132K HD cache. This is a great deal although it is generally recommended you at least upgrade to the 15' Zeos (CTX) monitor for $99 more I believe. Whether you also upgrade to the Diamond Viper video card is your choice. I stayed with the Diamond Speedstar Pro. Zeos Tech Support is really good - call after normal business hours to get the fastest access. The hardest part about buying a Zeos is the wait till it is delivered - once you order you can hardly wait to get it! There are quite a few good mail order houses around - lots of bang for buck with Zeos. " 3737,14,"From: Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Lines: 32 Reply address: mark.prado@permanet.org If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space, but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. I have a nice offline message reader/editor, an automated modem ""mailer"" program which will pick up mail bundles (quickly and easily), and an INSTALL.EXE to set them up painlessly. No charge for the sci.space feed, though you have to dial Washington, D.C. This is NOT a BBS -- it's a store & forward system for mail bundles, with minimum connect times. (I'm used to overseas calls.) (This is not an offer for a free feed for any other particular newsgroups.) Speeds of up to 14400 (v32bis) are supported. VIP's might be offered other free services, such as Internet address and other functionality. I get my feed from UUNET and run a 4-line hub. I've been hubbing for years -- I have an extremely reliable hub. The software I provide runs under MS-DOS (and OS/2 and Windows as a DOS box). Other, compatible software packages exist for the MacIntosh and Unix. Any responses should be private and go to: mark.prado@permanet.org (By the way, to all, my apologies for the public traffic on my glib question. I really didn't expect public replys. But thanks to Bill Higgins for the interesting statistics and the lead.) * Origin: PerManNet FTSC <=> Internet gateway (1:109/349.2) " 3738,7,"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.194738.20021 Distribution: na Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr6.185328.24947@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >>In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: >>>CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: >>>> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR >> >>Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the >>magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. >> > >But that's the point. We _do_ read it, or at least we did. Then we >found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed. Then we >write lists. The CR flame war is so easy to start because they are so >wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough. > >-andy > > Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up. john -- John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ " 3739,7,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 32 I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer. The design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM. The idea was to make the circuit difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM. The secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used. The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable. This was for an automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in operation. The case, of course, might not be the same for your 1993 RX-7! The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions under which cars have been operated. Since steering angle and velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the drivers' use of the car. I am not aware of any manufacturer currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading out use data from the ECM. While it could be a potential invasion of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your driving style, it could also provide valuable information from actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars. I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 3740,19,"From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6] Lines: 35 Brian Kendig (bskendig@netcom.com) wrote: : : Can you please point to something, anything, that proves to me that : the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact : the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes? : : Can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very : cleverly-constructed fable, and that it does indeed have some bearing : on my own personal day-to-day life? Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the events surrounding Jesus' life? 2Pe 1 16 ¶ We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2Pe 1 17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, ""This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.""¹ 2Pe 1 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain. 2Pe 1 19 ¶ And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. This is a documented testimony. Perhaps further research on your part is warranted before making more statements. There is considerably more to study in Peters' two books of testimony regarding the Messiah. It is well worth your time, Mr. Brian. Jim Burrill " 3741,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Ohio Legislative Alert -- H.B. 287 Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: mourning dove hunting season Lines: 14 OHIO HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE THURSDAY, APRIL 8, 1993 H.B. NO. 287- REPRESENTATIVES SEESE, DAVIS, BATCHELDER, AMSTUTZ, T. JOHNSON, VAN VYVEN, WACHTMANN, WHITE, DI DONATO, BOGGS, LOGAN TO AMEND SECTION 1531.01 OF THE REVISED CODE TO ADD MOURNING DOVE TO THE GAME BIRD LIST AND PERMIT THE CHIEF OF THE DIVISION OF WILDLIFE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES TO REGULATE THE HUNTING OF MOURNING DOVES, AND TO MAKE AN APPROPRIATION. This would allow the hunting of mourning doves in Ohio and give the sportsman something they have been pushing for. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 3742,14,"From: thomsonal@cpva.saic.com Subject: Cosmos 2238: an EORSAT Article-I.D.: cpva.15337.2bc16ada Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego Lines: 48 >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:40:47 GMT >I need as much information about Cosmos 2238 and its rocket fragment (1993- >018B) as possible. Both its purpose, launch date, location, in short, >EVERYTHING! Can you help? >-Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ocean Reconnaissance Launch Surprises West Space News, April 5-11, 1993, p.2 [Excerpts] Russia launched its first ocean reconnaissance satellite in 26 months March 30, confounding Western analysts who had proclaimed the program dead. The Itar-TASS news agency announced the launch of Cosmos 2238 from Plesetsk Cosmodrome, but provided little description of the payload's mission. However, based on the satellite's trajectory, Western observers identified it as a military spacecraft designed to monitor electronic emissions from foreign naval ships in order to track their movement. Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group in England... [said] Western observers had concluded that no more would be launched. But days after the last [such] satellite re-entered the Earth's atmosphere, Cosmos 2238 was launched. ""Cosmos-2238"" Satellite Launched for Defense Ministry Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 1238 GMT 30 March 1993 Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27 by ITAR-TASS correspondent Veronika Romanenkova Moscow, 30 March -- The Cosmos-2238 satellite was launched at 1600 Moscow time today from the Baykonur by a ""Tsiklon-M"" carrier rocket. An ITAR-TASS correspondent was told at the press center of Russia's space-military forces that the satellite was launched in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry. Parameters Given Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 0930 GMT 31 March 1993 Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27 Moscow, 31 March -- Another artificial Earth satellite, Cosmos-2238, was launched on 30 March from the Baykonur cosmodrome. The satellite carries scientific apparatus for continuing space research. The satellite has been placed in an orbit with the following parameters: initial period of revolution--92.8 minutes; apogee--443 km; perigee--413 km; orbital inclination--65 degrees. Besides scientific apparatus the satellite carries a radio system for the precise measurement of orbital elements and a radiotelemetry system for transmitting to Earth data about the work of the instruments and scientific apparatus. The apparatus aboard the satellite is working normally. " 3743,5,"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: XAllocColor fails to return nearest match Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article 54297@slate.mines.colorado.edu, agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) writes: >[posted for a friend] > >Okay, I looked through the FAQs and didn't see this, but I know its >come up before... > >XAllocColor is supposed to do the following in order: > Try to find an exact match read-only color cell. (within hardware limits) > Try to allocate a read-only colorcell and set it to match. > and when all else fails, > Return the colorcell with the best match from the read-only colors > already allocated in the colormap. Where did you hear this? If it is printed in a book somewhere, throw away the book. According to the MIT specs, only the first 2 are true. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com " 3744,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Rex Wang (wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu) spews forth stupidly: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they > have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as > first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be > different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. > I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same > points with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people > actually put win as first in a tie breaker...... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you don't actually ATTEND Rensselaer, and that you just work for ITS. Or that this was tounge-in-cheek. Does this mean that I should be cutting off my alumni contributions, or increasing them? -SG " 3745,2,"From: gking@cymbal.calpoly.edu (Gregory S King) Subject: SS 24X Questions Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Distribution: usa Lines: 17 Just got a ss24X based on its good ratings, but am a little under-impressed. First, is it's performance in 16.7 mill. supposed to be comparable to a Trident 8900 (or other unaccelerated VGA)? I came up with only OK performance on WinSpeed. In 256, it was between good and great. Second, does anyone know where to get that JPG viewer ""for the SS24X"". I saw it on cica or something. Does it work better. Thanks for any help. Greg -- I--------------------------------------------------------------------I I Gregory S. King I ""The Quality of Life is I I Aeronautical Engineering I Directly Proportional to I I Cal Poly SLO I How Fast You Drive"" I " 3746,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Much though it might be fun to debate capital punishment itself, >this is probably the wrong group for it. The only relevance here >is that you don't seem to be able to tell us what capital punishment >actually is, and when it is murder. That is, when you tell us murder >is wrong, you are using a term you have not yet defined. Well, I've said that when an innocent person has been executed, this is objectively a murder. However, who is at blame is another question. It seems that the entire society that sanctions any sorts of executions-- realizing the risks--is to blame. >There is a *probability* of >killing an innocent person by shooting at random into the air, and >there is a *probability* of killing an innocent person when the >state administers a system of capital punishment. So when you do >either, you know that they actions you are taking will sooner or >later result in the killing of an innocent person. Yes, but there is also a probablity that you will kill someone doing any raondom activity. Presumably, you had not isolated yourself totally from the rest of society because of this. >>And, driving will kill people, as will airlines, but people continue to do >>both. >Driving and flying are not punishments inflicted on unwilling >prisoners by Courts. They are risks that we take upon ourselves >willingly. And I argue that our law system is a similar risk. Perhaps an innocent person will be punished someday, but we work to prevent this. In fact, many criminals go free as a result of our trying to prevent punishment of innocents. >If our own driving kills someone else, then sure, there is a moral >issue. I know at least one person who was involved in a fatal >accident, and they felt vey guilty afterwards. But, such accidents are to be totally expected, given the numner of vehicals on the road. Again, the blame is on society. >>No I'm not. This is what you said. You were saying that if there were such >>a false witness that resulted in an innocent person being convicted and killed >>, it would still be the fault of the state, since it did the actual killing. >No, I just commented that the state does the killing. It does not >depend on there being false witnesses. How could it? The state >does the killing even in the case of sincere mistakes Yes, but the state is not at fault in such a case. The state can only do so much to prevent false witnesses. >>It is possible. So, what are you trying to say, that capital punishment >>is always murder because of the possibilty of human error invalidating >>the system? >I'm saying capital punishment is murder, period. Not because of >this that and the other, but because it involves taking human life. >That's *my* definition of murder. I make no appeals to dictionaries >or to ""objective"" morals. Okay, so this is what you call murder. But, the question is whether or not all such ""murders"" are wrong. Are you saying that all taking of human life is wrong, no matter what the circumstances? >If we, as a society, decide to murder someone, then we should say >that, and lists our reasons for doing so, and live with the moral >consequences. We should not play word games and pretend that >murder isn't murder. And that's *my* opinion about how society >ought to be run. But, this is basically how it works. Society accepts the risk that an innocent person will be murdered by execution. And, every member of society shares this blame. And, most people's definitions of murder include some sort of malicious intent, which is not involved in an execution, is it? >>But, we were trying to discuss an objective moral system, or at least its >>possibilty. What ramifications does your personal system have on an >>objective one? >No, we were not discussing an objective moral system. I was showing >you that you didn't have one, because, for one thing, you were incapable >of defining the terms in it, for example, ""murder"". Murder violates the golden rule. Executions do not, because by allowing it at all, society implicitly accepts the consequences no matter who the innocent victim is. >>We're not talking about reading minds, we are just talking about knowing the >>truth. Yes, we can never be absolutely certain that we have the truth, but >>the court systems work on a principle of knowing the ""truth"" ""beyond a >>reasonable doubt."" >Sorry, but you simply are not quoting yourself accurately. Here >is what you said: > ""And, since we are looking totally objectively at this case, > then we know what people are thinking when they are voting to > execute the person or not. If the intent is malicious and > unfair, then the execution would be murder."" >What you are doing now is to slide into another claim, which is >quite different. The jury being *persuaded* beyond a serious >doubt is not the same as us knowing what is in their minds beyond >a serious doubt. Reading the minds of the jury would certainly tell whether or not a conviction was moral or not. But, in an objective system, only the absolute truth matters, and the jury system is one method to approximate such a truth. That is, twelve members must be convinced of a truth. >Moreover, a jury which comes from a sufficiently prejudiced background >may allow itself to be persuaded beyond a serious doubt on evidence >that you and I would laugh at. But then, if we read the minds of these people, we would know that the conviction was unfair. >>But, would it be perfectly fair if we could read minds? If we assume that >>it would be fair if we knew the absolute truth, why is it so much less >>fair, in your opinion, if we only have a good approximation of the absolute >>truth? >It's not a question of fairness. Your claim, which I have quoted >above is a claim about whether we can *know* it was fair, so as to >be able to distinguish capital punishnment from murder. Yes, while we could objectively determine the difference (if we knew all possible information), we can't always determine the difference in our flawed system. I think that our system is almost as good as possible, but it still isn't objectively perfect. You see, it doesn't matter if we *know* it is fair or not. Objectively, it is either fair or it is not. >Now there's a huge difference. If we can read minds, we can know, >and if we cannot read minds, we can know nothing. The difference >is not in degree of fairness, but in what we can know. But what we know has no effect on an objective system. >>I think it is possible to produce a fairly objective system, if we are >>clear on which goals it is supposed to promote. >I'm not going to waste my time trying to devise a system that I am >pretty sure does not exist. Why are you so sure? >I simply want people to confront reality. *My* reality, remember. Why is *your* reality important? >In this case, the reality is that, ""ideal theories' apart, we can >never know, even after the fact, about the fairness of the justice >system. For every innocent person released from Death Row, there >may have been a dozen innocent people executed, or a hundred, or >none at all. We simply don't know. But, we can assume that the system is fairly decent, at least most likely. And, you realize that the correctness of our system says nothing about a totally ideal and objective system. >Now what are we going to do? On the one hand, we can pretend >that we have an 'ideal' theory, and that we can know things we can >never know, and the Justie System is fair, and that we can wave a >magic wand and make certain types of killing not murder, and go >on our way. Well, we can have an ideal system, but the working system can not be ideal. We can only hope to create a system that is as close an approximation to the ideal system as possible. >On the other hand, we can recognize that all Justice has a small >- we hope - probability of punishing the innocent, and that in the >end we do bear moral responsibility even for the probabilistic >consequences of the systems we set up, and then say, ""Well, here >we go, murdering again."" Maybe some of us will even say ""Gee, I >wonder if all this is strictly necessary?"" Yes, we all bear the responsibility. Most people seem willing to do this. >I think that the second is preferable in that if requires people >to face the moral consequences of what we do as a society, instead >of sheltering ourselves from them by magic ceremonies and word >games. We must realize the consequences of all our actions. Why do you keep separating the justice system from the pack? >And lest I forget, I also don't think we have an objective moral >system, and I believe I only have to take that idea seriously >when someone presents evidence of it. I don't think our country has an objective system, but I think such an objective system can exist, in theory. Without omniscience, an objective system is not possible in practice. keith " 3747,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 91 In article <1qpavfINN2jp@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: :In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu :(Paul E. Reimer) writes: :> In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano :Pitargue) writes: :> :> [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] :> :> >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw :> >cars. :> There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some :> regulation to try to combat this. : :Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems :the driver's license process does not work for this. : I can testify to this. My cousin spent a few weeks in the hospital, and his friend was killed, because of a drunk driver. The son-of-a-b**** is back on the streets... Officers from the scene are still p***ed about that one. :> to take a drivers safety class. : :Because you wanted one while you were underage. : :> I HAVE to be licensed to drive. : :Only on public roads. : :> My car :> MUST be registered. : :Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my :property. : :> I MUST (at least where I live) have liability :> insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an :> accident with it). : :Only on public roads. And this obviously doesn't always work, else why would they offer uninsured motorist coverage? : :> Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration :> of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for :> gun owners. I object to mandatory registration because I don't trust my government not to use any information I give them for their own purposes. I am licensed to carry a concealed pistol in my home state, but they never asked whether I actually owned a firearm. A safety class before issuing a permit to carry is reasonably, provided such classes are regularly available to the public. Of course, most places would consider my time in the reserves and on a competition rifle team to count. : :Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-) Hey, now that's an idea :) : :> Paul Reimer : :Jim Now, unless you have an agenda against private ownership of firearms, why would you want to harass the person trying to legally defend themselves or exercise their rights? (I know, defending oneself/family/whoever IS a right... at least as far as my 9mm and I are concerned... ) (Also as far as the State of Alabama seems to be concerned) Why don't you push for stricter prosecution of those who use firearms in the commission of a crime? I've already pointed out how we aren't nailing DUI's hard enough... Comparing the US with other countries seldom works, but the European attitude towards alchohol and DUI seems to work.. Their attitude towards weapons isn't really a valid comparison because they've historically done their best to keep the populace disarmed and submissive, while our country was founded by a bunch of rugged individualists who told the European monarchies (for the most part) to take a flying leap (used more polite language though). We even weaseled out of our first international treaty, and then convinced the French that it was in their best interests not to complain.. But first we had to overcome the fact that the Brits were doing their best to restrict us to squirrel guns and such, so we'd be properly submissive while they forced us to pay for their wars. Of course, most American history classes these days tend to gloss over facts that do not fit the image they wish to convey... I'm glad my Amer. Hist. teacher was a Libertarian who had us review a good portion of the Federalist Papers, and debate their origins and meanings. enough rambling, James -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 3748,2,"From: rttimme@emory.edu (Dr. Richard Timmer) Subject: Approach for Windows? Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 [ Article crossposted from comp.os.ms-windows.apps ] [ Author was Dr. Richard Timmer ] [ Posted on 24 Apr 93 23:11:16 GMT ] Hello WinNetters: I have seen a great deal of discussion herein on the relative merits of MS Access and Borland Paradox/Win. However, are there any users out there with experience with the database package called ""Approach"". It has gotten a number of very good reviews from the various mags. and it seems like it would require less hardware overhead than Paradox. I have ruled out Access because some aspects of it are extremely non-intuitive, e.g. requiring a field to always have a value. I like what I've seen of Paradox, but it seems like the resource requirements are greater than what I have (386/25 MHz, 6 MB ram). So, please provide me with your thoughts are ""Approach"", good and bad. Thanks. Richard Timmer " 3749,8,"From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH) Subject: Power Arc II Ignition, Super E Carb X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu Organization: HOG HEAVEN Lines: 35 Now the bike is off warranty, I finally replaced the stock items on my Softail Custom with the title ones. Installation was pretty easy in both cases, even for a fairly non-mechanical chemist type dude like me! I discovered the limitations of my tool collection, but had fun buying and making the requisite tools! MC Ignitions Power Arc II Single Fire Ignition: easy to install, but read the wiring diagram carefully! Setting the static timing was a piece of cake. Once installed, I have found easier starting, smoother idle, and more power, plus a more satisfying (to me) bass note in the exhaust register...a lovely whompa-whompa-whompa idle :-) The folks at MC Ignitions were great in answering my dumb questions on the phone..... a very helpful bunch of guys with a great product. S&S Super E Carb: installation easy, once I hacked down an Allen wrench to a small anough reach to get at the intake manifold bolts. Tunes like a dream, just like they say! The stock carb (non-adjustable) was so lean that it was gasping and spluttering for gas sometimes, and even backfiring into the intake manifold. The Super E is terrific, no hesitation in any gear, and my plugs are a lovely tan color with no need to rejet from the factory settings! I know this may not seem like much to you grizzled veteran wrenchers out there, but I had my bike in so many pieces this weekend I began to get worried. But it all went back together again, and runs like a dream, so I am feeling pretty happy. Now all I have to do is install my BUB pipes and try to pass the NH Noise Gestapo Test! Russ Hughes '92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20) ""Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something as much as your motorcycle."" --Sonny Barger " 3750,1,"From: kimd@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Chungwan Kim) Subject: WANTED: Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS Keywords: projector Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 9 I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS. If anybody out there has one for sale, send email with the name of brand, condition of the projector, and price for sale to kimd@rpi.edu (IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY) Danny kimd@rpi.edu " 3751,8,"From: deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ( Dean Deeds) Subject: GS1100E (was Re: buying advice needed) Reply-To: deeds@vulcan1.UUCP ( Dean Deeds) Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA Lines: 45 In article Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes: >GS1100E. It's a great bike, but you'd better be damn careful! >I got a 1983 as my third motorcycle, [...deleta...] >The bike is light for it's size (I think it's 415 pounds); but heavy for a >beginner bike. Heavy for a beginner bike it is; 415 pounds it isn't, except maybe in some adman's dream. With a full tank, it's in the area of 550 lbs, depending on year etc. >You're 6'4"" -- you should have no problem physically managing >it. The seat is roughly akin to a plastic-coated 2by6. Very firm to very >painful, depending upon time in the saddle. The 1980 and '81 versions had a much better seat, IMO. >The bike suffers from the infamous Suzuki regulator problem. I have so far >avoided forking out the roughly $150 for the Suzuki part by kludging in >different Honda regulator/rectifier units from junkyards. The charging system >consistently overcharges the battery. I have to refill it nearly weekly. >This in itself is not so bad, but battery access is gained only after removing >the seat, the tank, and the airbox. My regulator lasted over 100,000 miles, and didn't overcharge the battery. The wiring connectors in the charging path did get toasty though, tending to melt their insulation. I suspect they were underspecified; it didn't help that they were well removed from cool air. Battery access on the earlier bikes doesn't require tank removal. After you learn the drill, it's pretty straightforward. [...] >replacement parts, like all Suzuki parts, are outrageously expensive. Having bought replacement parts for several brands of motorcycles, I'll offer a grain of salt to be taken with Dale's assessment. [...] >Good luck, and be careful! >--Dale Sentiments I can't argue with...or won't... -- Dean Deeds deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com " 3752,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 43 m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: >joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: >}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: >}>}(a) out of context; >}>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep >}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? >}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. >} >}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for >}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a >}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? > >Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? (1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context (2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article (call it A) that took a quote out of context (3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the lack of X (a common creationist error) (4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A (5) You asked Stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were OK, or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite. (6) Both of the choices you give Stephen assume that he condoned taking quotes out of context in A. (7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins ""Could you please explain ..."" was not a nonsequitur, but was intended to follow from the sentence that preceded it. (8) Therefore, I concluded that you believed that (2) implied that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A (9) But we've already seen that (2) does not imply this (10) Therefore, you were incorrect to believe that (2) implied that Stephen thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in A, and were making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists. Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it, explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7) may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say ""yup."" dj ""Yup."" -- Jim's e-mailed response when I pointed out, in a posted article, that one of his arguments was a straw man argument, reminiscent of a frequent creationist ploy. (3/22/93) " 3753,15,"From: JBF101@psuvm.psu.edu Subject: same-sex marriages Organization: Penn State University Lines: 17 There has been some talk recently of Latin rites from the early Church used to bless same-sex unions.If anyone has any idea where copies of these rites exist (in whole or in part), please notify me by e-mail. (I understand that similar ceremonies written in Slavonic exist as well. Let me know where I can find these.) It doesn't matter whether the Latin rite is in the original or a translation. However, I would prefer to have an English version of the Slavon- ic rite, if it exists. Thanks in advance. Doug Hayes @ PSU [We've had questions about this in the past. The only source I know of is claims by John Boswell in some talks. He is said to be working on publication, but as far as I know, nothing is published yet. I haven't heard of any other source. If anyone knows of another source, please tell us. But I think we're going to have to wait for Boswell's publication to appear in order to see what he's really talking about. --clh] " 3754,10,"Organization: Central Michigan University From: Martin D. Hill <32GFKKH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: college hockey all-star game Lines: 3 Does anybody know the details of the Shriners All-Star game that featured the best seniors in college hockey in a game in Orono, Maine? If you do, please reply. " 3755,7,"From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50 Article-I.D.: daedalus.ZOWIE.93Apr5215616 Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: Brad Thone's message of Fri, 02 Apr 93 21:41:53 CST In article Brad Thone writes: Well, there *is* a difference. I don't happen to have my SAE manual handy, but oil viscosity in general _decreases_ with temperature. The SAE numbers are based on a `typical' curve that oils used to all have, running from (say) the viscosity of a room-temperature 90-weight at 0C, down to (say) that of a room-temperature 5-weight at 20C, for a typical 40-weight oil. Oils that are designed for operation in `normal' temperatures just have a weight specification. Oils that are designed for operation in exceedingly cold temperatures have a `W' tacked on the end, so in winter in a cold place, you'd stick 10W in your car in the winter and 40 in it in the summer, to approximate the appropriate viscosity throughout the year. Modern multi-viscosity oils change viscosity much less with temperature. As a result, their viscosity graphs cross over several curves. A multi-vis specification pegs the curve at two temperatures, a `normal' operating temperature and a `cold' one (though I can't remember the numbers...). In any event, the weights do indicate a significant difference. Remember that your engine is temperature-regulated (by the thermostat and radiator or air fins) most of the time -- unless you overheat it or something. Any weight of oil is better than no oil, or than very old, carbonized oil. Thin oil won't (in general) lubricate as well at temperature, thicker oil will (like a 20W50) will lubricate better at temperature, but not as well during startup, when most engine wear occurs. If you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine (esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car. But if you're making short drives, stick to the 10W40. -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! " 3756,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Migraines and Estrogen Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 12 In article <3FB51B6w165w@jupiter.spk.wa.us> pwageman@jupiter.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman) writes: >I read that hormonal fluctuations can contribute to migraines, could >taking supplemental estrogen (ERT) cause migraines? Any information I'm not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level. Taking Premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3757,13,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes: |> I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. |> I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in |> my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm |> not allergic to anything that I know of. The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some claim their heart ""skipped"" beats once in a while. Some reacted with headache, some stomach ache. Some had watery eyes or running nose, some had itchy skin or rashes. More serious accusations include respiration difficulty and brain damage. Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. Jason Chen " 3758,2,"From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) Subject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP! Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu: > Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence for the font you want! Gregory R. Cook | INTERNET: gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu Department of Chemistry | cookgreg@student.msu.edu Michigan State University | cook@cemvax.cem.msu.edu East Lansing, MI 48824 | BITNET: cook@msucem.BITNET " 3759,15,"From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 34 In article gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: >Firstly, I am an atheist. . . . (Atheist drivel deleted . . .) Untitled ======== A seed is such a miraculous thing, It can sit on a shelf forever. But how it knows what to do, when it's stuck in the ground, Is what makes it so clever. It draws nutrients from the soil through it's roots, And gathers its force from the sun It puts forth a whole lot of blossoms and fruit, Then recedes itself when it is done. Who programmed the seed to know just what to do? And who put the sun in the sky? And who put the food in the dirt for the roots? And who told the bees to come by? And who makes the water to fall from above, To refresh and make everything pure? Perhaps all of this is a product of love, And perhaps it happened by chance. Yeah, sure. -Johnny Hart, cartoonist for _B.C._ +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= Carter C. Page | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom, A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that, cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down, | we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=+-=-+-=+-=-+=-+-=-+-=-+=-+-= " 3760,6,"From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: Printing Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes: [advertises his printing business] Oh, dear. Let me be the first on my block. You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups: you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing they've got a new book out.) I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long- standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical point of view. So please don't do it again. And all you others, who are even now taking keyboard in hand to flame him off the face of the earth--lay off. He didn't know any better. He does now. Dorothy J. Heydt UC Berkeley cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu Disclaimer: UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any. " 3761,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: >In article , steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: | |>Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) | >Sherzer Methodology!!!!!! Let it never be said that an opportunity was missed to put someone down. " 3762,12,"From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Re Using old databooks Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr3.110048.4636@hemlock.cray.com> kilian@cray.com (Alan Kilian) writes: >> jeh@cmkrnl.com > >This is almost exactly the reason I keep only the latest databook around. >Too many times last years books turn into three years ago and the data >in them doesn't match the current production parts. >TANSTAAFL, > -Alan Kilian BUT... If you are in the habit of trying to repair old and obsolete machines, the old data books are a goldmine of information you can not get anywhere else. If you are trying to find a modern replacement for an obsolete part, the original specs really come in handy. Design out of the new books but save the old ones (or donate them to a ham). If anybody in Phoenix disagrees, I'll drive over and help them 'get rid' of all their old data books. John (450 data books and growing) " 3763,12,"From: lzahas@acs2.bu.edu (Lukas Zahas) Subject: Re: How do DI boxes work? Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 19 In article lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes: > >I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct >Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a >line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run >to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going >to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to >another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have >any plans for building them? > $50 each!! Don't bother trying to make one yourself, just shop around a little. I've found DOD brand DI boxes for as cheap as $20 each. You can get higher end ones for more, but for PA use for bands, I wouldn't bother. Making one yourself might work, but getting a sturdy enough enclosure might be hard (they're made of heavy guage metal, since they're always on the floor, being kicked around a lot). For any additional questions on this topic, you might want to post to rec.audio.pro Lukas Zahas lzahas@bu.edu " 3764,13,"From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying? Article-I.D.: rigel.SHAFER.93Apr6095951 Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. Lines: 33 In-Reply-To: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca's message of 5 Apr 93 23:27:26 GMT On 5 Apr 93 23:27:26 GMT, vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) said: Vida> Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear Vida> that pilots and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum Vida> number of flying hours -- what are these limits? What are the Vida> main problems associated with too many long-haul (over 4 hours) Vida> trips? The crew rest requirements are to prevent undue fatigue. The cockpit crew (pilot) limits are somewhat more stringent than the cabin crew limits for this reason. Crew rest requirements address amount of time on duty plus rest time. A tired crew is an accident-prone crew. The only limits I know of for inner-ear problems are in military aircraft, which are frequently unpressurized or less reliably pressurized. Not being able to clear the ears renders aircrew members DNIF (duties not involving flying) or grounded until the ears clear. Flying can accentuate problems if ears don't clear. If you don't have big pressure changes, you may not know that you've got a problem. But if you zip up to 5,000 or 6,000 ft (the usual cabin altitude in an airliner) and then back down to sea level, you may discover a problem. Ears don't clear readily because of allergies, colds, infections, and anatomical problems. The last won't change; the first three can. Medication (decongestants or antihistimines, usually) can help. Chewing gum, sucking hard candy (or a bottle for babies), yawning--these will help all four causes. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot " 3765,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Buck Showalter just can't win. Bob Wickman's pitching the game of his life through eight innings (Yanks lead 6-1), so Buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete game. Wickman manages to get two outs, but in between, four funs score, and all of a sudden it's 6-5, and Wickman just can't get the third out. So Buck goes to the bullpen, and Farr gets out the first guy he faces. Last night, Jimmy Key is pitching another in a long string of games of his life (this guy just keeps getting better!) through eight innings (Yanks lead 4-0). This time, Buck thinks, ""I don't want a repeat of that near-fiasco with Wickman, so I'll give my bullpen some work."" Steve Howe, whose ERA was 54.00 coming into the game, left with it at 81.00. He didn't do too good. Then Farr comes in. He gives up a two-run homer, and the Royals win it, 6-5. What's going on? This is already the third or fourth time this year that the bullpen has blown a lead. Farr & Howe have done it twice together, Monteleone's done it once, and I think even Habyan did it once. What's the deal? We finally have terrific starting pitching, so all of a sudden, our bullpen turns to shit! What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen? -Alan " 3766,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Let the Turks speak for themselves. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 95 In article <1993Apr16.142935.535@cs.yale.edu> karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou) writes: > If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they >elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government? Pardon me? ""Greece Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies"" While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu. Dr. Sadik Ahmet, Turkish Ethnic Member of Greek Parliament, Visits US Washington DC, July 7- Doctor Sadik Ahmet, one of the two ethnic Turkish members of the Greek parliament visited US on june 24 through July 5th and held meetings with human rights organizations and high-level US officials in Washington DC and New York. At his press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC, Sadik Ahmet explained the plight of ethnic Turks in Greece and stated six demands from Greek government. Ahmet said ""our only hope in Greece is the pressure generated from Western capitals for insisting that Greece respects the human rights. What we are having done to ethnic Turks in Greece is exactly the same as South African Apartheid."" He added: ""What we are facing is pure Greek hatred and racial discrimination."" Spelling out the demands of the Turkish ethnic community in Greece he said ""We want the restoration of Greek citizenship of 544 ethnic Turks. Their citizenship was revoked by using the excuse that this people have stayed out of Greece for too long. They are Greek citizens and are residing in Greece, even one of them is actively serving in the Greek army. Besides, other non-Turkish citizens of Greece are not subject to this kind of interpretation at an extent that many of Greek-Americans have Greek citizenship and they permanently live in the United States."" ""We want guarantee for Turkish minority's equal rights. We want Greek government to accept the Turkish minority and grant us our civil rights. Our people are waiting since 25 years to get driving licenses. The Greek government is not granting building permits to Turks for renovating our buildings or building new ones. If your name is Turkish, you are not hired to the government offices."" ""Furthermore, we want Greek government to give us equal opportunity in business. They do not grant licenses so we can participate in the economic life of Greece. In my case, they denied me a medical license necessary for practicing surgery in Greek hospitals despite the fact that I have finished a Greek medical school and followed all the necessary steps in my career."" ""We want freedom of expression for ethnic Turks. We are not allowed to call ourselves Turks. I myself have been subject of a number of law suits and even have been imprisoned just because I called myself a Turk."" ""We also want Greek government to provide freedom of religion."" In separate interview with The Turkish Times, Dr. Sadik Ahmet stated that the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable and in the eyes of Greek laws, ethnic Greeks are more equal than ethnic Turks. As an example, he said there are about 20,000 telephone subscribers in Selanik (Thessaloniki) and only about 800 of them are Turks. That is not because Turks do not want to have telephone services at their home and businesses. He said that Greek government changed the election law just to keep him out of the parliament as an independent representative and they stated this fact openly to him. While there is no minimum qualification requirement for parties in terms of receiving at least 3% of the votes, they imposed this requirement for the independent parties, including the Turkish candidates. Ahmet was born in a small village at Gumulcine (Komotini), Greece 1947. He earned his medical degree at University of Thessaloniki in 1974. he served in the Greek military as an infantryman. In 1985 he got involved with community affairs for the first time by collecting 15,000 signatures to protest the unjust implementation of laws against ethnic Turks. In 1986, he was arrested by the police for collecting signatures. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3767,10,"Subject: Re: JETS FANS! Hrivnak or Tabaracci?? From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr6.172313.29469@wam.umd.edu> giant@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (Thundarr) writes: >After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who >would you prefer to have? And how about >Tyler Larter? What ever happened to him?? You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious. -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 3768,12,"From: randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) Subject: Re: ADCOM GTP500II IR sensor & repeater spec's? Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 In article <1r1996INNijp@hp-col.col.hp.com> johnr@col.hp.com (John T. Rasper) writes: >Does anyone know the details of the interface (5 wire din) for the >IR remote sensor & (2 wire IR repeater) for the ADCOM GTP-500II >preamp? The ADCOM part numbers are the XR-500II, SPM-500II, and >IRA-500II. > >A cursory physical examination of the pre-amp connector indicates >that the connector (5 pin din) may provide: (Viewed from connector front) > > | > 5 1 (pin ?) +?v @ ???mA > 4 2 (pin ?) +/-?v @ ???mA > 3 (pin 3) Signal Ground > (pin ?) Demodulated signal ?V-pp, ? polarity, ? mA drive > (pin ?) Signal to drive repeater LED (drives through 150ohm > resistor) ?V-pp > >I assume that the repeater connectors (mini-plugs) drive the IR repeater >LED's directly. True? > >Can anyone fill in the ?'s. Thanks. > Here's the scoop. When you get your home brew receiver working, would you be willing to share it with the rest of us? I always wanted to build my own but never have the time to fool around and design it. pin 1: signal ground pin 2: signal pin 3: always hot +6 volts pin 4: +6 volts, hot only when preamp is turned on pin 5: infrared repeater connectors The infrared repeater jacks on the back of the preamp are not connected to anything inside the preamp except the 5 pin connector pin #5. There is a 150 ohm resistor between the two jacks, with a 1.5K from pin 5 to ground. The signal pin #2 in the preamp is summed with the built in IR receiver. They use a chip called CX20106A and a BJT to amplify the signal. I would imagine the logical way would be to duplicate this circuit and use it as the external receiver. If you need more info, let me know. Randy randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu " 3769,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The wholesale extermination of the Muslim population by the Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 82 In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >But some of this is verifiable information. For instance, the person who >knows about the buggy product may be able to tell you how to reproduce the >bug on your own, but still fears retribution if it were to be known that he >was the one who told the public how to do so. Typical 'Arromdian' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle. Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin? 1) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of Van.[1,2,3,4,5] 2) Armenians did slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis.[1,2,3,4] 3) Armenians did slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum.[1,2,3,4] 4) Armenians did slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir.[1,2,3,4] 5) Armenians did slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz.[1,2,3,4] 6) Armenians did slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas.[1,2,3,4] 7) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of the x-Soviet Armenia.[1,2,3,4] 8) ..... [1] McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. [2] Karpat, K., ""Ottoman Population,"" The University of Wisconsin Press, 1985. [3] Hovannisian, R. G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, pp. 13, 37. [4] Shaw, S. J., 'On Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. [5] ""Gochnak"" (Armenian newspaper published in the United States), May 24, 1915. Source: ""Adventures in the Near East"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 178 (first paragraph) ""In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."" p. 175 (first paragraph) ""The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms. In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will be referred to in due course."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 3770,4,"From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic) Subject: Re: how do you like the Apple Color OneScanner? Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt46r$li6 Distribution: world Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:36:54 GMT In article <1993Apr5.203903.12192@midway.uchicago.edu> JohnC, jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu writes: >We're all set to buy one of these for the office, to use for scanning in >color photographs and for optical character recognition. We've played with >the original grayscale OneScanner and were very pleased. Is the color model >comparable in quality? > >Also, what brand of OCR software would you recommend? We're leaning toward >Caere OmniPage. Any better ideas? Thanks. I work in a campus bookstore and we had the opportunity to demo the Color One Scanner. I found it to be very impressive as well as affordable (with the educational discount of course!). Note also that it comes with Ofoto software which is sufficient for our needs. " 3771,6,"From: lorne@sun.com (Lorne R. Johnson - Sun IC Region SE) Subject: WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: ca Reply-To: lorne@sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: normajean.west.sun.com ***************************** * WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE * ***************************** I have 2 tickets that I can't use (Last pair this year). Section 109, Row P, Seats 8 & 9 DAY DATE OPPONENT TIME --- ---- -------- ---- WED 4/21 Sacremento 7:30 Price: $45.00 = MY COST Call or email if you are interested in these tickets. Lorne Johnson lorne@sun.com (408) 562-6003 " 3772,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool update Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 44 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, I have compiled some statistics on the entries of my pool. There are unofficially 52 entrants. Here are the stats on what teams were picked to win it all: Pittsburgh: 34 (1 sweep, 14 in 5, 15 in 6, 4 in 7) Boston: 6 (1 in 5, 5 in 6) Detroit: 4 (3 in 6, 1 in 7) Montreal: 2 (1 in 5, 1 in 7) Toronto: 2 (1 in 6, 1 in 7) (no, this wasn't Roger) Calgary: 1 (in 6) Quebec: 1 (in 6) Vancouver: 1 (in 7) Washington: 1 (in 6) Why the hell hasn't anybody picked Chicago??? NOBODY! Quebec got a pick, Detroit got 4, but absolutely no Chicago! How odd. Here are the ""losers"": Detroit: 20 Chicago: 16 (so there they are!) Pittsburgh: 6 Vancouver: 4 Boston: 2 Calgary: 2 Los Angeles: 1 what?!? Toronto: 1 LOS ANGELES??????? Are you out of your mind?!?!? Good luck to you, you'll need it! So Pittsburgh is the consensus winner of the Stanley Cup. They'll statistically beat Detroit in 6 games. HAHA that's happening! NOT! As I said, every one of my picks will come true, and I picked Chicago to lose to Pittsburgh in the finals, so tough luck to all you who picket Detroit. Well, tough luck to all of ya! I am a genius!!! ;-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""A cow is not a vegetarian dish."" -- Keith Keller, 1993 " 3773,5,"From: baileyc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Christopher R. Bailey) Subject: How do I cause a timeout? Summary: how can I force a strip chart to update Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 20 I have a problem where an Athena strip chart widget is not calling it's get value function. I am pretty sure this is happening because I am not using XtAppMainLoop, but am dealing with events via sockets. (ya ya). Anyway, I want to cause a timeout so that the strip chart widget(s) will call their get value callback. Or if someone knows another FAST way around this (or any way for that matter) let me know. I cannot (or I don't think) call the XtNgetValue callback myself because I don't have the value for the third parameter of the get value proc (XtPointer call_data). In other words, I want to force a strip chart widget to update itself. Any ideas anyone? -- Christopher R. Bailey |Internet: baileyc@dendrite.cs.colorado.edu University of Colorado at Boulder|CompuServe: 70403,1522 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Ride Fast, Take Chances! " 3774,10,"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA Lines: 30 In article dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: >The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not >part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >Red Wings win? > >Thank you very much. >-- >Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu Sorry to disappoint you but the Red Wings earned the victory...easily. I watched most of the game on ESPN (as soon as I realized that they were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second). The Maple Leafs were flat. Very flat. Meanwhile, the Red Wings were skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game. I didn't detect any bad penalty calls (Van Hellemond did his usual good job). Toronto looked like how I expected them to for their first playoff game in a few years -- nervous. For the Leafs sake, I hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies for game 2. If game 1 is indicative of the series, it's gonna go quick. -Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil " 3775,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Lines: 31 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article Thomas Parsli writes: >NOTE!!! >My posting was in reply to those about FBI torching the plasce after >filling it with napalm, and arrested people dissapering. > >[...] > >About Waco >It looks to me as the BATF and FBI can't handle situations like this. >The way it went reminds me of 'stun' bomb beeing dropped on a house >in LA from a helicopter. (Whole block went up in flames, 5 died...) > >It doesn't HAVE to be a conspiracy, MAYBE they just screwed up ??? I don't think we've got a conspiracy on our hands, or anything vaugely similar. I do think that the Feds showed a distinct lack of both intelligence and disregard for others safety throughout this whole mess. I do think the FBI and the BATF screwed up big. What made me really concerned was FBI director William Sessions being on CNN engaging in what could only be called spin control before the place had even cooled down. Evertyhing had literally blown up in their faces and I felt there had to be something more important he should have been doing... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 3776,1,"From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK Subject: Any good Morphing Anims... Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk ============================================================================== Has anyone created any interesting animations using Dmorph I seem to be unable to create anything that looks remotely realistic although this is probably due to the crappy GIF's at I am using (One of Captain Kirk and One of Spock), i'm a bit of a 'Trekker'. What are the best type of pictures to use. thanks........ A.Situnayake " 3777,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventional peace) Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 15 In article <1qvi7s$b1o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: > > First this man promotes the dissolution of the Jews through an >intermarriage process, and then says that it will be just a bunch >of 'fundamentalist' Jews who will object. > >Or does he simply mean to insult the orthodox by using the word >'fundamentalist?' > It's irritating when someone mis-labels ""us"" as ""fundamentalists"", isn't it? This sort of thing may help us understand why some muslims rather resent being put under this label. Tim " 3778,10,"From: ""James J. Murawski"" Subject: This Year's vs. Next Year's Playoffs Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu Well, since someone probably wanted to know, here's this year's playoff matchups on the left, and what the matchups would be next year under the new alignment and playoff-matchup rules. The same 16 teams make the playoffs under next year's rules, and three of the first round matchups are the same (QUE-MTL, CHI-STL, VAN-WIN). PIT --+ +-- CHI | PIT --+ +-- CHI +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ NJ --+ | | +-- STL | BUF --+ | | +-- STL +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ WAS --+ | | | | +-- DET | QUE --+ | | | | +-- TOR +---+ | | +---+ | +---+ | | +---+ NYI --+ | | +-- TOR | MTL --+ | | +-- CAL +------+ | +------+ BOS --+ | | +-- VAN | WAS --+ | | +-- VAN +---+ | | +---+ | +---+ | | +---+ BUF --+ | | | | +-- WIN | NJ --+ | | | | +-- WIN +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ QUE --+ | | +-- CAL | BOS --+ | | +-- DET +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ MTL --+ +-- LA | NYI --+ +-- LA ==================================================================== Jim Murawski Sr. Software Engineer (412) 268-2650 [office] Administrative Computing and (412) 268-6868 [fax] Information Services jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Office: UCC 155 4910 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 ""Le Mieux! Le Magnifique! Soixante Six! Claude...NON!"" There are 1374 days until Clinton (Clinocchio) leaves office (1373 too many). " 3779,13,"Subject: ""STAR GARTDS"" Info wanted From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac Lines: 11 A friend's daughter has been diagnosed with an eye disease called ""Star Gartds"" (or something close) - it is apparently genetic, according to her, and affects every fourth generation. She would appreciate any information about this condition. If anything is available via ftp, please point me in the right direction.. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac " 3780,3,"From: nsl@doe.carleton.ca (Nelson Lup Shun Liu) Subject: Conner CP3204F info please Keywords: conner Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University Lines: 11 I am looking for information about this drive. Switch settings, geometry..etc. Conner CP3204F Please reply via e-mail. 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Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA (617) 732-5925 | | .... DOS/Mac programming, Ultrix administration, general chaos .... | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* " 3783,1,"From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc. Lines: 20 In article , ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes: |> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double |> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. |> |> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the reference here with me. The article actually was more general than this, giving a way to decide whether a given (cubic) Bezier curve contains cusps, intersection points or whatever wierdness. The same treatment is also available in SIGGRAPH 89 course notes for the course called ""Math for Siggraph"" or something like that. -- dr memory jbulf@kpc.com " 3784,13,"From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) Subject: erythromycin Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 4 Nntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? -fm " 3785,8,"From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier) Subject: Re: Camping question? Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com In article 10823@bnr.ca, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: > >Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up >water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my >RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs >above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement. On my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel with a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling and pour out a cup of hot water. I used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter. (-: ################################# _ # Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM # o_/_\_o # # (O_O) # Sun Microsystems, # \H/ # Coventry, England. # U # (44) 203 692255 # # DoD#226 GSXR1100L # ################################# Keeper of the GSXR1100 list. " 3786,13,"From: krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk Subject: RE: HELP ME INJECT... Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 12 The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra muscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it pierces the skin). PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should be avoided as far as possible. " 3787,6,"From: gt0463b@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Davis Smith) Subject: REAL ESTATE SALE Article-I.D.: hydra.91506 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 71 RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR SALE I have a nice residential lot available. It is approx- imately 1/2 acre in size. It is located in the development called Belvedere Plantation in Pender County, eastern North Carolina, north of Wilmington. The lot is near the Intra- Coastal Waterway. Golf and tennis are located on the development property. Belvedere Plantation also has a mar- ina facility on the ICW. This lot is nearby to all of the facilities mentioned. I own the lot outright but it does not look like I will get back to the area anytime soon. I would like to sell it for that reason. Make an offer. If interested please send E-mail. gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu. - Mike Smith -- Michael Davis Smith Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0463b Internet: gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu " 3788,15,"From: chips@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Charlie Mathew) Subject: Interdisc. Bible Research Inst. Organization: Temple University Lines: 27 Hi! Anyone know anything about the Interdisciplinary Bible Research Institute, operating out of Hatfield, Pa? I'm really interested in their theories on old-earth (as opposed to young earth) and what they believe about evolution. Thanks, In the Master, Charley. -- Seek God and you will find, among other things, piercing pleasure. Seek pleasure and you will find boredom, disillusionment and enslavement. John White (Eros Defiled). [Note that I do not accept discussions of evolution here, as there is a dedicated group for that, talk.origins. --clh] " 3789,11,"From: al@escom.com (Al Donaldson) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson) Organization: ESCOM Corp., Oakton VA (USA) Distribution: na Lines: 16 amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, ... And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had to send people into the Watergate. But that's not really the issue. The real issue is whether this will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private (i.e., anything else) encryption methods. Unrelated question...isn't the term ""Clipper,"" as neat as it is, already taken by Intergraph? Al " 3790,13,"From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Keywords: MSG, Glu Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 5 Nntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu I have heard that epileptic patients go into seizures if they eat anything with MSG added. This may have something to do with the excitotoxicity of neurons. -fm " 3791,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 28 grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes: >In article , David Robert Walker writes: >> In article <8994@blue.cis.pitt.edu> traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes: >>>One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the >>>split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. >> I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or >> even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds >> identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and >> even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot >> more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, >> Gordon). >I wouldn't give baserunning that much value. I meant to comment on this at the time. There's just no way baserunning could be that important - if it was, runs created wouldn't be nearly as accurate as it is. Runs Created is usually about 90-95% accurate on a team level, and there's a lot more than baserunning that has to account for the remaining percent. Greg " 3792,18,"From: blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) Subject: Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA05890; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:05:06 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA23713; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:03:42 -0700 X-Received: by uiboise.idbsu.edu (16.6/16.2) id AA29234; Thu, 15 Apr 93 13:23:52 -0600 X-To: talk.politics.misc.usenet X-Cc: alt.politics.clinton.usenet X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Lines: 19 If you look through this newsgroup, you should be able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative for our computer networks and telephone systems. This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" bill. I strongly urge you to begin considering your future. I strongly urge you to get your application for a passport in the mail soon. I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while you are still able. " 3793,11,"From: jru@Comtech.com (Jimmy R. Upton) Subject: [Rubick] Shortest Path Algorithm - Status? Organization: Comtech Labs Inc. Lines: 25 What is the expected run time (+/- a factor of 10) on a 486DX/50 using the best known algorithm for finding the shortest path solution for Rubicks Cube from a randomly chosen position? I have read the FAQ and followed the recent discussion on Rubicks Cube but I don't believe this question has been answered. Notice that I am specifically looking for an algorithm that finds the SHORTEST path, not just any solution. It seems to me that the underlying assumption is that such a program would need to do a brute force search though 10^20 positions. That seems an unreasonably pessimistic assumption to me and I want to know if someone has significantly improved on that. I have some ideas of my own on how to approach this problem, but before I spend to much time developing them I wanted to know if someone else has already done the work. ADMINISTRIVIA: I have posted this to three groups and attempted to set the followup to rec.puzzles which seems to me to be the place to continue this discussion. I will cross post a summary when and if it becomes appropriate. Email replies gladly accepted. Jimmy jru@Comtech.com " 3794,2,"From: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Windows Locks up with green lines down the Screen Reply-To: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 18 Hi, I am using a dtk 386-20Mhz 13Meg memory to run a variety of programs, and have had problems off and on with lock up, but now I am trying to run an application that wants a lot of memory over a period of time (Playmation 24 bit rendered) and it is locking up Everytime. I have an ATI ultra + w/2Meg which I have tried in each of the video modes, I have excluded the region of video memory from A000-C800 segments from the use of emm386, have tried adjusting the swap partion from large to nonexistant (to prevent swapping) and I have REM'd ALL TSR's and utilities in config.syus and autoexec, and even tried using the default program manager, disabling my HP dashboard. even with a minimal system, no swap, no smartdrv, no TSR's, no windows utilities and exclusion of video regions it still locks up completely (no mouse control, no response to anything except 3finger salute, and even that does not stop by the standard windows screen, but simply does a full reset immediately). Just about out of ideas, anyone out there have any???? Thanks tom branham branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu " 3795,8,"From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan) Subject: For Sale: Kawasaki EX500 (Michigan) Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dss1.uis.itd.umich.edu * FOR SALE * From Ann Arbor, Michigan 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 6682 miles Cherry Red Excellent condition Asking $2300 Contact Brian at (313) 747-1604 (days) (313) 434-7284 (evenings & weekends) or e-mail at vaughan@umich.edu...or reply to this post. " 3796,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 43 Jon Livesey writes: >So why do I read in the papers that the Qumram texts had ""different >versions"" of some OT texts. Did I misunderstand? Reading newspapers to learn about this kind of stuff is not the best idea in the world. Newspaper reporters are notoriously ignorant on the subject of religion, and are prone to exaggeration in the interests of having a ""real"" story (that is, a bigger headline). Let's back up to 1935. At this point, we have the Masoretic text, the various targums (translations/commentaries in aramaic, etc.), and the Septuagint, the ancient greek translation. The Masoretic text is the standard Jewish text and essentially does not vary. In some places it has obvious corruptions, all of which are copied faithfully from copy to copy. These passages in the past were interpreted by reference to the targums and to the Septuagint. Now, the septuagint differs from the masoretic text in two particulars: first, it includes additional texts, and second, in some passages there are variant readings from the masoretic text (in addition to ""fixing""/predating the various corrupted passages). It must be emphasized that, to the best of my knowledge, these variations are only signifcant to bible scholars, and have little theological import. The dead sea scroll materials add to this an ancient *copy* of almost all of Isaiah and fragments of various sizes of almost all other OT books. There is also an abundance of other material, but as far as I know, there is no sign there of any hebrew antecdent to the apocrypha (the extra texts in the septuagint). As far as analysis has proceeded, there are also variations between the DSS texts and the masoretic versions. These tend to reflect the septuagint, where the latter isn't obviously in error. Again, though, the differences (thus far) are not significant theologically. There is this big expectation that there are great theological surprises lurking in the material, but so far this hasn't happened. The DSS *are* important because there is almost no textual tradition in the OT, unlike for the NT. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 3797,16,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 49 From article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms > 'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that > there are actually *few* cases where this is so. It certainly is provable. Around a million Americans every year defend themselves with firearms. In many of these cases the defender doesn't even have to fire a shot! The mere presence of a gun is oftentimes all the deterrent that is needed. I don't like violence anymore than anyone else does. But, taking away the right of Americans to keep and bear arms is not the solution to the violent crime problem in this country. If honest, law-abiding citizens are unable to get firearms then they will be preyed on even more by criminals who will be able to acquire guns through illegal channels. Expect to start seeing the crime syndicates who smuggle drugs into this country start smuggling guns. Believe me this will happen. There is *plenty* of economic incentive for gangsters to illegaly import guns into this country if guns should be banned by the Klintonistas. > The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary > opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who > would argue with you about a parking space, those who would > take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. Statistics, por favor? > Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. > In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. > No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, > than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. See my previous post. That ought to set you straight. > The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. People have the right to keep and bear arms no matter what the Constitution says. That means that even if the 2nd Amendment is repealed the *people* (that's all American citizens FYI) will *still* have the right to keep and bear arms. Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me " 3798,11,"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) Subject: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA Lines: 24 This may be a stupid question, but how does the government know which keys to ask for? Will owners be required to REGISTER their phones, faxes, modems, etc., and inform the government when they are moved to a different phone number? Will there be penalities if the public does not do this? Will identification (the National Health Care ID, perhaps) be required when purchasing a Clipper-equipted phone? Or will each chip transmit identifying information at the start of a conversation? Identification which could be used to automatically log who calls whom? (The _phone_ company keeps records, but this information would be accessable by a well-placed van near a microwave relay station). This raises the question of how the two phones agree on a communications encryption key. Will it be something that is derived from information exchanged at the start of the conversation -- and hence derivable by an eavesdropper? -- Bear Giles bear@fsl.noaa.gov " 3799,3,"From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) Subject: Re: Splitting drives into two - does it make them faster? Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. Lines: 33 In article <6D8q2B5w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes: >guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: > >> > the partitions take up disk space, having 3 or 4 partition will cost >> > somewhere between 4-8 meg of hard disk space, if you can afoord this >> > luxury more power to you, its your choice. >> > >> >> Where does all this disk space go? The DOS partition table is fixed length >> and every hard disk carries one. What is useing this lost 4-8MB? > > If I remember right, the partition table is allocated an entire CYLINDER. >To find out how much it takes up, you need to calculate: >heads * sectors * 512 > > Also, if you create an extended partition, there is a second 'partition' >in there for the logical drives. I think the original respondent (Guy Dawson?) was refering to something much more elementary. Every partition (whether it is the entire disk or not) has two FATs and an initial directory. If you have a small disk (50 meg or less), I would recommend that it remain a single partition. Unless you have some other consideration. If you have a large disk (greater than 200 meg), multiple partitions can make sense. -- Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP " 3800,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Sea? What sea? We said rivers! Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: >I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance >attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven >as part of their plan! Ok, I'll admit it. I can't find a quote with my meager online resources. but i did find this little gem: ``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the occupied homeland is liberated...'' --- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79 So, Ahmed is right. There was nothing about driving Jews into the sea, just a bit of ""ethnic cleansing,"" and a river of blood. Is this an improvement? Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 3801,18,"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: ""Winning"" Tax Case! Article-I.D.: oregon.5APR199316063313 Distribution: world Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <765445d3219144t87@infoserv.com>, jamesdon@infoserv.com (James A. Donald) writes... >The tax protesters are legally correct, but they are put in jail anyway. Hello? What the Sloan decision means is that the tax protestors were wrong. >The weakness of the governments legal position is shown by the fact that when >someone protesting tax or gun laws on legal grounds gets a federal jury trial >(very rare) the feds blatantly stack the jury, with the same old faces turning >up time after time. Demonstrate, please! The rules of procedure make this very unlikely. >However Teel should have mentioned that though his advice is legally sound, if >you follow it you will probably wind up in jail. FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY Which makes it legally unsound. If I were representing Mr. Teel, I'd try a procedural approach if I could find one, or recommend he plea-bargain. He's setting himself up to be in hot water. Daniel Reitman HOW NOT TO WRITE A DEED One case involved the construction of a conveyance to grantees ""jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest in said land, and to the survivor thereof, in fee simple. . . . To Have and to Hold the same unto the said parties hereto, equally, jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest for the period or term of their lives, and to the survivor thereof at the death of the other."" The court held that the survivorship provision indicated an intent to create a joint tenancy. Germain v. Delaine, 294 Ala. 443, 318 So.2d 681 (1975). " 3802,1,"From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu In article <1993Apr20.143434.5069@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: >So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. >The article didn't say anything about copyrights. The newspaper itself is almost certainly copyrighted in its entirety. Newspapers generally employ legal staffs which make sure they get permission to use a copyrighted image or text. Did you do the same? -- -John John J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer " 3803,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: I want to know how this omniscient being is going to perform >the feat of ""definitely"" terming actions right or wrong. If you were omniscient, you'd know who exactly did what, and with what purpose in mind. Then, with a particular goal in mind, you sould be able to methodically judge whether or not this action was in accordance with the general goal. >>>I don't think you've show the existence of *any* objective moral system. >>They exist, but in practice, they are difficult to perfectly emulate. >>I mean, you understand the concept of an objective system, right? >I thought you were explaining it to us. I certainly don't >understand what you are explaining. In an objective system, there are known goals. Then, actions are judged as either being compatible with these goals, or not. Simple. The problem with most systems in current practice is that the goals differ. That is, the goals of each society are different. Note that an objective system is not necessarily an inherent one. >>The concept of innocence is dependent on whether certain actions are >>""right"" or ""wrong,"" and this depends on the moral system. But, if >>we have an objective system, then someone can be deemed innocent or >>not quite easily by an omniscient person. Anyway, I think I cleared >>up the recursive definition of ""murder,"" because no one is complaining >>about it. >I don't think it solves anything to speculate where we would be >if we *did* have an objective moral system. The question is >still whether you can even say what one is. I've said it many, many times. >And for what it's worth, I don't think you cleared up *anything* >concerning murder. Which part do you have a problem with? >>>What do you mean by ""harmed?"" Is it harm if you have to spend >>>your existence metabolising food for another species? >>Oh, most moral systems would be considered only within a species. It >>is okay for us to enslave other animals, right? But not humans... >>Of course, ideally, perhaps we wouldn't even have to bother any other >>animals... >One the first point, it's wrong to enslave humans according to my >persoanl moral system. On the second point, I'm a vegetarian. But, we can enslave the animals, right? But just not kill them? Or are you a vegetarian for health reasons? >So, are you a vegetarian? No. I fail to see how my *personal* views are relevant, anyway. >Is it wrong to eat animals in your personal moral system? Of course not. It seems perfectly valid to kill members of other species for food. It might be nice, though, if the other animals were not made to suffer. For instance, a cow in a field lives out its life just about the same way it would in the wild. They seem happy enough. However, the veal youngsters aren't treated very well. >How about an ""objective"" moral system? I don't know. What is the goal of this particular system? There is no inherent system. >How about a ""natural"" moral system. Nope. Again, it seems okay to kill other species for food. keith " 3804,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Lines: 22 Bred wrote: And this means that the FBI will want to track the customer lists of better encryption phones, because ""the only reason a person would want one is to evade the police."" They don't have to track customer lists - they merely have to digitally listen to any phone line and eliminate any that don't have the clipper header/signature. (No-one has said how it will be modulated - want a bet it's a non-standard and hence easily recognisable baudrate?) Devices to scan exchanges and detect modems etc already exist. I've seen them advertised in the trade press. Once you eliminate crippled crypto devices and ordinary data modems, what's left is crypto worth looking more closely at. I guess any substitute scheme will have to be v32bis or v.fast to disguise it, though then they just start looking at the data too... Whatever happens though, the effect of this new chip will be to make private crypto stand out like a sore thumb. G " 3805,17,"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly... Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 47 dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: Gannon, why don't you tell the readers of these newsgroups how you hail Nazism on your BBS, and post long articles claiming non-Whites are inferior? # THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE The Museum is entirely funded by private donations, but don't expect this fact to deter ""Maynard"". BTW, Gannon's ideological fathers also had a passion for constructing museums and collections, some of which served to educate the public about the racial supremacy of the Aryans. One such collection was that of skeletons, and there was no lack of these around: Letter from SS-Standartenfuehrer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Brandt, November 2 1942 [""Trial of the Major War Criminals"", p. 520] ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Comarade Brandt, As you know, the Reichsfuehrer-SS has directed that SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything needed for his research work. For certain anthropological researches - I already reported to the Reichsfuehrer-SS on them - 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are required, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz. However, the good Doctor needed some more items to complete his research: Testimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration Camp [""The Natzweiler Trial"", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89] -------------------------------------------------------------------- ... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners (60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took place, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the corpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in Strasbourg. -Danny Keren. " 3806,1,"From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains writes: >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D The 68070 is a variation of the 68010 that was done a few years ago by the European partners of Motorola. It has some integrated I/O controllers and half a MMU, but otherwise it's a 68010. Think of it the same as the 8086 and 80186 were. Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology Digital Equipment Corporation neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com " 3807,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary >opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who >would argue with you about a parking space, those who would >take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. That's open for debate. Certainly, an excessive number of people are murdered every year but people also do save innocent lives with firearms. The media just don't tell us when it happens... >Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. I think there are more of us than there are federal marshalls... >No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, >than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. Crap. It's simplistic thinking on the part of feather-headed dolts. >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. Nuts. don " 3808,0,"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Benediktine Metaphysics Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 45 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: agar.engin.umich.edu In article <66019@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Benedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority: > >> IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST. > >""Contradictory"" is a property of language. If I correct this to > > THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST > >I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to > > THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST > >then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in >description are merely failures in description. How about this description: ""An object that is, at one time, both a Euclidean square and a Euclidean circle""? I hold that no object satisfying this description could exist. The description is inconsistent, and hence describes an object that could not exist. Now, suppose someone pointed to a bicycle, and said, ""That object is, at one time, both a Euclidean square and a Euclidean circle."" This does not mean that the bicycle does not exist, it measn that the description was incorrectly applied. The atheist says, ""The descriptions of God that I have been presented with are contradictory, and hence describe something that cannot exist."" Now, your position (so far as I can gather) is that God exists, but the descriptions atheists have been presented with are simply bad descriptions of It. This is roughly analogous to someone who has never seen a bicycle, and, when they ask for a description from people who claim to have seen one, are told that it is a ""Euclidean circle-square"". Can they be blamed for doubting rather strongly that this 'bicycle' exists at all? >(I'm not an objectivist, remember.) No kidding. :-> Sincerely, Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu ""The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!"" - Robert A. Heinlein " 3809,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) writes: > Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to > play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov, > and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not > the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly > in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the > New York Rangers. What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC? I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield? -SG " 3810,10,"From: caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) Subject: Re: Radio stations Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 15 In article , ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: |> The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be |> broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted |> by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those |> if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. |> |> --Randy |> The Pens are now being broadcast on 102.5 WDVE. Carol " 3811,16,"From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Re: Do they really believe? Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu In article <1993Apr5.150031.3123@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: > > Q: Do you think that HIC et al really believe that the laws >that they are trying to get passed are for the good or are they just >lying through their teeth and trying to disarm the populace? I think that HCI people honestly believe that passing more gun control laws will be in the best interests of public safety. Why do I think this? Because I used to buy the HCI line. During my freshman year (1987), their line made so much sense -- only people who ""need"" guns should be able to get them, and the people who ""need"" them are the police and other elites. Unfortunately for us, this position is highly emotional and not well thought-out. They never stop to think that HCI's position basically says that the non-elite are incompetents (that's you and me, folks!) and that the Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting or other ""legitimate"" uses (which excludes overthrowing tyrannical governments and defending yourself when the police have proven they can't protect you). > We all know that the end result, regardless of the intention, >will be to have a MUCH easier to subdue population for the UN/NWO. >This is definitely a motivation of many in power, but I wonder to >what degree this is planned vs just duped. Every pro-control person I've talked to is always left stumped when I simply argue the facts of gun control (that it has yet to be proven to lower crime rates) and weapons terminology (and I'm no expert -- but explaining exactly how an ""evil"" semiautomatic weapon really works does wonders). I hvae personally found well-reasoned arguments to be most effective against the emotional pro-control people. The trick is to get them to realize that the Second Amendment exists not for hunters but for the oppressed and the terrorized. Daryl Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura " 3812,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET) writes: >In <1qabe7INNaff@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu writes: > >>> Chimpanzees fight wars over land. >> >> But chimps are almost human... >> >> keith > >Could it be? This is the last message from Mr. Schneider, and it's >more than three days old! > >Are these his final words? (And how many here would find that >appropriate?) Or is it just that finals got in the way? > No. The christians were leary of having an atheist spokesman (seems so clandestine, and all that), so they had him removed. Of course, Keith is busy explaining to his fellow captives how he isn't really being persecuted, since (after all) they *are* feeding him, and any resistance on his part would only be viewed as trouble making. I understand he did make a bit of a fuss when they tatooed ""In God We Trust"" on his forehead, though. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 3813,14,"From: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Distribution: sci Lines: 23 From article , by tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker): >>In article , ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes... >>>""Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected >>>errors. ..."". I am wondering what an ""expected error"" might >>>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but > > Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered. > ""Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"" > I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is. > > tom My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew 'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'. - Jonathan " 3814,8,"From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago) Subject: Cobra Locks Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 27 Distribution: usa Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock (described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock in the Chicago area? Any other feedback from someone who has used this? Thanks for any info., Steve In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes: > > Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock. > It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve. > The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints > at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs). > You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder > is well-protected. I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch > and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel. > --- Steve Bunis, Sun Microsystems ***DoD #0795*** 93-ST1100 Itasca, IL ***AMA #682049*** 78-KZ650 " 3815,1,"From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) Subject: ATI GUP and Graphics Wkshop/Win Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 I have an ATI Graph. Ultra Pro VLB w/2 megs, and have a small question about Graphics Workshop for Windows. When I exit from it it says my current driver can handle on 32768 colors when I am actually in 1024x768x65000 color mode. Is this a driver problem, a GWS error, or what? I am using the 1.5(59) driver under Win 3.1. It correctly states that I can display 16M colors when I switch to 800x600x24bit, though. Another question- Anybody know of any Viewers that support this card other than Windows viewers? Any help would be appreciated. " 3816,5,"From: bradley@grip.cis.upenn.edu (John Bradley) Subject: XV 3.00 has escaped! Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu No, not another false alarm, not a ""It'll certainly be done by *next* week"" message... No, this is the real thing. I repeat, this is *not* a drill! Batten down the hatches, hide the women, and lock up the cows, XV 3.00 has finally escaped. I was cleaning its cage this morning when it overpowered me, broke down the office door, and fled the lab. It was last seen heading in the general direction of export.lcs.mit.edu at nearly 30k per second... If found, it answers to the name of 'contrib/xv-3.00.tar.Z'. Have a blast. I'm off to the vacation capital of the U.S.: Waco, Texas. --jhb " 3817,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet? Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 29 FYI: The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP deskjet is 1/600th inch. The electronics and dynamics of the ink cartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch. On almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1/300th inch anyway. The method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer results in much less spread than ink drop technology. It doesn't take much investigation to see that the mechanical and electronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than inexpensive ink jet printers. Recall also that laser printers offer a much higher throughput: 10 ppm for a laser versus about 1 ppm for an ink jet printer. Something else to think about is the cost of consumables over the life of the printer. A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about $US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield) cartridges are about $US 22 at discount. It could be that over the life cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are less than ink jet printers. It is getting progressively closer between the two technologies. Laser printers are usually desinged for higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product replacement cycles. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 3818,1,"From: johne@iti.gov.sg (Dr. John S. Eickemeyer) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore. Lines: 37 In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: >center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Off the top of my head, I might try: Given: p_1, p_2, p_3, p_4 Find: p_c (center of sphere determined by p_1, ..., p_4), dist(p_c, p_i) (radius) p_c is the same distance from our four points, so dist(p_c,p_1) = dist(p_c,p_2) = dist(p_c,p_3) = dist(p_c,p_4) Of course, we can square the whole thing to get rid of square roots: distsq(p_c,p_1) = distsq(p_c,p_2) = distsq(p_c,p_3) = distsq(p_c,p_4) Plug in the variables into the distance formula, simplify, and the x^2_c, y^2_c, and z^2_c terms cancel out, leaving you with three linearly independent equations and three unknowns (x_c, y_c, z_c). Solve using your favorite method. :) All the best, - John :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. John S. Eickemeyer :: ""The Lord God is subtle, Information Technology Institute :::: but malicious He is not."" National Computer Board, Singapore :: Email: johne@iti.gov.sg :: - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3819,6,"Subject: HELP!! How to get refund from Visual Images? From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu Lines: 28 I participated a promotion by a company called Visual Images. They sent me a award certificate three months ago and asked me to buy their promotion package in order to receive the major award. They mislabled my address and I did not receive my package until one month ago. I was mad and angry about how it took them so long to get my package. So I wrote them a letter and requested for a refund. They never return my letter. I was lucky enough to find out their telephone number through operator and received the package. I immediately returned the package and wrote them another letter to ask for refund. The package was returned because they address they put on the package was incorrect. I attempted to call them and learnd that they have changed their telephone number. It took me at least 10 phone calls to find out their new number, but they refused to take any responsibility. I spoke to their manager and she said she would call me back, but she has not call yet. But I was able to get their address from their front desk. Should I just go ahead and send the package? Or should I waite until they call me back? I know there are several people on the net has experience with the same company. I would like to know how they got their money back. If you have similar experience, please advise me. Thanks in advance, Douglas Kou Hiram College " 3820,7,"From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) Subject: Re: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions? Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 21 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 > I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver > (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out > there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say... Depending on how you plan to use your SUV, I might recommend also browsing Trailer Boats and one or more of those Pickup, Shotgun, and 4WD magazines. The car rags mostly seem to consider recently graded pea gravel to be offroading and ten sacks of redwood chips to be a bedload. Considering that most of these SUVs seem to be used mostly as robust station wagons, that's probably not a bad approach, but if your applications are more demanding, pick your information sources accordingly. Of the three vehicles on your short list (Explorer, 4Runner, Pathfinder), I'd recommend the 4Runner as being closely based on a rather robust pickup and the Explorer for being comfortably carlike. Don't know much about the Pathfinder. Good luck, --Joe ""Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"" " 3821,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!! Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 22 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says: > >Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY? No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t. >The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance >machine and he slams on the brakes. Of couse, we all know that cages, >especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our >high performance machines. So what happens?... The cage plows into the >Kat. So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike? You know, following too closely and reckless driving? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 3822,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Need Reference: Multiple Personalities Disorders and Allergies Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 28 I heard third-hand (not the best form of information) that there was recently published results of a study on Multiple-Personality-Disorder Syndrome patients revealing some interesting clues that the root cause of allergy may have a psychological trigger or basis. What I heard about this study was that in one 'personality', a MPDS patient exhibited no observable or clinical signs of inhalant allergy (scratch tests were used, according to what I heard), while in other personalities they showed obvious allergy symptoms, including testing a full ++++ on scratch tests for particular inhalants. If this is true, it is truly fascinating. But, I'd like to know if this study was ever done, and if so, what the study really showed, and where the study is published. Any help out there? Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 3823,10,"From: randolin@polisci.umn.edu (Robert Andolina) Subject: minnesota scene Nntp-Posting-Host: psci7.polisci.umn.edu Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota Lines: 39 To those who are wondering what is happening in Minnesota: From what I have seen in the local news (TV and newspaper), various people in the area are trying to get a new hockey team. A columnist for the St. Paul ""Pioneer Press"" wrote an article giving the ""inside scoop"" on the issue. There are three local sites competing for a team and three possible candiates to move to the Twin Cities. First the sites: Target Center, Civic Center (St. Paul), and yes, even the Met Center. The columnist was pretty confident that Minnesota will get a team, and that the Target Center will ultimately win out. He argued, however, that the competition from the other two sites will delay the process considerably. Without the inter-site competition, the columnist (sorry, I can't remember his name) believes that Minnesota would have a team by the 1994-95 season. Also, because of the situation with the Timberwolves, things will be delayed until (unless) the city of Minneapolis takes over the Target Center. However, they are unlikely to do so until the Met Center is destroyed, because the city will lose money if there is competition from the Met for conventions and short-term events (even with hockey at Target). To add to this mess, a STUDY (6 to 12 months) is going to be conducted on the future viability of the Met Center, which obviously delays the process even further. I hope that the study is cancelled, which will have the effect of knocking the Met Center out of the running and perhaps encouraging Minneapolis to take over the Target Center sooner. The city would be be even more encourged if the wrecking ball is taken to the Met, which may happen. Regarding possible candidates, the three teams are Hartford, Tampa Bay, and New Jersey. I would prefer the Devils (Minnesota "" Ice Demons?"") although the Lightning may have potential. Although it hasn't been announced yet, it looks like 6 neutral site games will be played at the Target Center next year. Apparently the Devils are interested in playing in as many of those six games as possible, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Hartford and Tampa show up there either. So, Minnesota may end up getting another team, but it may take a few years. Go Sabres! Robert Andolina (former Buffalonian living in Minneapolis) randolin@polisci.umn.edu " 3824,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.044201.27457 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about > those sort of things. > >but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty > funny things in his ""shooting from the lip"" columns... > >- bob gaj Y'know, if current trends continue, the Florida Marlins will be the first expansion team to go 162-0 and outscore their opponents by 486 runs. -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal " 3825,4,"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: HELP WANTED! Monitor problems (NEC 3D & IIvi) Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-15.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 107 Hello all! For few past days I've been fighting to get My NEC Multisync 3D (predecessor of 3FG) to work properly with the internal video of Mac IIvi. With a VGA-adapter (as described in Dale Adams' posting about Quadra video) it works, only some minor interferences occur, small enough not to prevent any action on screen to be visible & clear. But because the scanrates & stuff of 3D are well enough for emulating Apple 13"" RGB, I first made an adapter, then got one fron the local distributor of NEC. With both adapters I can get a picure, which looks excellent most of the time or every now and then. But with radical changes on screen (opening palettes, large windows etc.) there are major interferences in sync. The picture either tilts sideways or scrables up totally. Even when it is clear, there are some ""spiky"" interferences on horizontal line alignment when accessing pull-downs etc. With the self-made adapter, almost identical to the VGA one, only sense pins differ, it is sometimes impossible to even boot up with a picture clear enough to shut down from menu... With the adapter from NEC, everything is well most of the time, but sometimes the picture tilts badly sideways or the sync is completely lost. But not nearly as often as with the self-made one. I know, with self made adapters there can always be interference, but with the one provided by NEC... where's the source of this interference? I'll give you the pinouts of the whole mess, and I hope that you can, at least someone (please try =) figure out what could be the best pin assignment for NEC 3D. I am going to make a completely new cable with maximum shieldings and isolations, as soon as someone figures out how the pins should be arranged, especially syncs and groundings. Yes, I have checked that the monitor is not defective, it works perfectly well with all PC graphic adapters up to 1024x768 pixels and also Atari 71Hz monochrome, which I am using now with it. Here are the pinouts & stuff: 15 pin mini D-sub (NEC 3D) 15 pin D-sub (Mac, at least Quadra) 1 Red Video 1 Red GND 2 Green Video 2 Red Video 3 Blue Video 3 Composite Sync 4 GND 4 Sense 0 5 GND 5 Green Video 6 Red GND 6 Green GND 7 Green GND 7 Sense 1 8 Blue GND 8 NC 9 NC 9 Blue Video 10 GND 10 Sense 2 11 GND 11 C.Sync & V.Sync GND 12 NC 12 V.Sync 13 H.Sync 13 Blue GND 14 V.Sync 14 H.Sync GND 15 NC 15 H.Sync SHELL GND SHELL GND Connection suggested by Apple for VGA/SVGA, sense pins changed to emulate Apple 13"" with Multisync (my self-made adapter) Multisync (15pin mini D-sub) Mac (15pin D-sub) 1 ---------------------- 2 2 ---------------------- 5 3 ---------------------- 9 6 ---------------------- 1 7 ---------------------- 6 8 ---------------------- 13 10 ---------------------- 14 13 ---------------------- 15 14 ---------------------- 12 4 (sense0) grounded to 11 (sync GND) Connection measured from an adapter to make NEC 3FG/4FG emulate Apple 13"" (adapter provided by NEC representative) NEC (15 mini) Mac (15) 1 ----------------------- 2 2 ----------------------- 5 3 ----------------------- 9 4 ----------------------- SHELL GND, 1, 4, 6, 13 5 ----------------------- same as above 6 ----------------------- same... 7 ----------------------- same... 8 ----------------------- same... 10 ----------------------- same... 11 ----------------------- same... 13 ----------------------- 3 14 * Not Connected! * Well, I am waiting for your solutions... And thanks! -- Jartsu " 3826,7,"From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. > >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? > >Erik velapold Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! AT " 3827,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 57 D. Andrew Kille writes: >Are you suggesting that God supports genocide? >Perhaps the Germans were ""punishing"" Jews on God's behalf? > >Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of >my worship or faith. The Bible does tell us that governments are ordained by God (Romans 13). And furthermore, God foreknows everything that would happen. It is just to difficult for humans to graps with our limited minds, the inevitablity of the sucess of God's plan, and this is especially hard to grasp when we see governemnts doing evil. However, though they are doing evil (and we should not cooperate with them when they do such), it must be understood that what happens is what God wanted so as to lead to the final sucess of His plan to save as many souls from hell as is possible. In short, the slaughter in Bosnia, though deplorable in the eyes of God (maybe, then again, they might be getting their just deserts now rather than later; there are plenty of examples of God killing people for their sins - Onan in the Old Testmament for example, and Annias and Spahira in the New) is what he willed to happen so that His plan might be accomplished. But don't forget, it is not unbiblical for God to use one nation to execute His just judgement upon another. The Romans were used to fulfill the chorus of ""Let his blood be upon our hands"" of the crowd in Jersualem. And Chaldea was chastised by Babylon, which got Israel, which was inturn gotten by Persia, etc. God does use nations to punish other nations, as the Bible very clearly shows in the Old Testament. Don't you remember the words of God recorded in Daniel, ""Mene, mene, tekel, peres?"" Babylon had been weighed in the balance scales of God's justice, found severly wanting, and was thus given over to the Persians as their due punishment for their rebellion. Another exammple is the extirmination of the Cannanites, ordered by God as the task of Israel. The Cannanites had been given their chance, found severly wanting, and the Great Judge, carried out His just sentence accrodingly. I could go on with more examples, but I see little need to do so, as my point is quite clear. Two things need to be remembered at all times. 1) It is not up to us to question why God has ordered the world as He has. In His divine Wisdom, He made the world as was best in His eyes, and like Paul says in Romans 9, the clay is not one to tlak back to the potter. 2) The message of Jesus Christ is as follows: ""Repent now, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."" Jesus Christ did not allow any time for dilly-dallying - ""Let the dead bury the dead, come, follow me."" There is not an infinite amount of time, rather Christ is passing by right now, calling people to follow Him and become fishers of men. He does not say, ""well, alright, you can call me back in a week and see if my Kingdom fits in with your plans."" He said ""Follow me."" His message is NOT ""I'm just a sweety-pie who would never hurt a fly, you've got all the time in the world, and Divine Judgement, that's only a fairy tale."" ""Our great God and Savior"" Jesus Christ (Titus 2.5) is also the just and righteous Judge of the world. And it is not up to the defendants in the trial to be questioning his entirely just sentences of either chastisement or mercy. D. Andrew Byler ""Does not He who ways the heart perceive [sin], and will He not judge men according to their works?"" - Proverbs 24.12 " 3828,5,"From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) Subject: X-Terminal question Organization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] A simple question to all the Xperts: Is it possible to use several X-Terminals with only one mouse and one keyboard? Any suggestions? Thanks, rainer. -- Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 Penzingerstr. 76 | A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at " 3829,3,"From: shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: XEL Communications, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 39 GRUBB (bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote: : wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: : >What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? : Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START : at 160MB I have NO idea. : For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} : 20MB $299 {$15/MB} : 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} : 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} : 120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB : 210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} : 320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} : 510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} : etc I thought you might want the latest prices: As of MacWeek 4/12/93: Meg: Int Ext 20M - couldn't find one available. 42M - $159 $219 85M - $199 $269 127 - $279 $349 170 - $299 $359 All above are quantum, low profile (1"") 3.5"" drives 240 - $369 $449 525 - $899 $979 1225- $1499 $1569 - the last three are quantum 1/2 height 3.5"" drives. [ bunch o stuff deleted ] : SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the : standard for the most part. Hear, hear. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ You can't go against nature, because when you do, Greg Shaw go against nature, it's part of nature too. shaw@feanor.xel.com Love & Rockets uunet!csn!xel.com!shaw " 3830,19,"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 Lines: 23 tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: : : Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it. : You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do : you? If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear. I understand that they had the neccessary licenses and permits to own automatic weapons. : The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the : individual. Go ahead, call me a commie, but you'd be singing a different : tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. He broke the law, he : was a threat to society, they did there job - simple. I haven't seen any proof (or even evidence) that the BD's had broken the law. If you have proof (or evidence), let's hear it. ""The FBI said so"" is NOT evidence. : : I'll support them all (except no. 2) I guess there will always be people who wish to be peasants. The politicians prefer unarmed peasants " 3831,3,"From: genek@ucsb.edu (Gene Kostruba) Subject: Diamond Speedstar HiColor card Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 15 I have a 486DX33 ISA system with 4 meg. I am using a Diamond Speedstar HiColor video card with 1 meg VRAM and a standard CTX 14-in SVGA monitor. When I am running Windows, and I have overlapping windows (say an application overlapping the program manager window), and I close the active application, window erasure is very slow. The part of the window that is not overlapping is erased first, very slowly. This also happens when I iconify an application. The HiColor card is advertised as a faster-than-standard video card, but it does not have an accelerator chip on it. I am running at 800x600x32k. Is this slow speed simply to be expected without an accelerator chip, or is there something else that is bottlenecking the system that I am unaware of? Thanks. (You can mail to me directly if you wish, at genek@cs.ucsb.edu). " 3832,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus) Article-I.D.: mojo.1qkn6rINNett Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu Distribution: world Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr15.170048.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United >States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K... Later, they went >on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. > >The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL >airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to >look at. They recycled a lot of models and theme music for UFO. Some of the concepts even showed up in SPACE: 1999. Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 3833,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) writes: >It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the >wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be. George. It's called a democracy. The majority rules. sorry. If ytou don't like it, I suggest you modify the constitution to include a constitutional right to Dark Skies. The theory of government here is that the majority rules, except in the nature of fundamental civil rights. If you really are annoyed, get some legislation to create a dark sky zone, where in all light emissions are protected in the zone. Kind of like the national radio quiet zone. Did you know about that? near teh Radio telescope observatory in West virginia, they have a 90?????? mile EMCON zone. Theoretically they can prevent you from running light AC motors, like air conditioners and Vacuums. In practice, they use it mostly to control large radio users. pat " 3834,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Distribution: na Lines: 33 andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: > methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' > Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict > controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration > of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug > dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the > approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground > economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who > live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist - the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is (after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course, explaining them how much better the situation is now... In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 3835,9,"From: addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992 -- Shortstop Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 12 In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 > The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, >but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few >years may be a defensive liability. That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... Brett Rogers addison@leland.stanford.edu " 3836,8,"From: keith@hydra.unm.edu () Subject: Where can I AFFORD a Goldwing mirror? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu Searched without luck for a FAQ here. I need a left 85 Aspencade mirror and Honda wants $75 for it. Now if this were another piece of chrome to replace the black plastic that wings come so liberally supplied with I might be able to see that silly price, but a mirror is a piece of SAFETY EQUIPMENT. The fact that Honda clearly places concern for their profits ahead of concern for my safety is enough to convince me that this (my third) wing will likely be my last. In the mean time, anyboby have a non-ripoff source for a mirror? keith smith keith@hydra.unm.edu " 3837,8,"From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association Lines: 22 In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes: + +I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles +from any place that i want to go to. Many private places ban bikes. For example, the famous 17 mile drive at the Monterrey Peninsula. And I have stayed at resorts that sported a ""No motorcycles allowed"" sign at the entrance. And there have been public places. Call the AMA and ask for Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office. They will recound the many public places that they had to bring to court to reverse their ban on bikes. That includes everything from public parks to full cities. There are probably a few fights on their books as we now speak. That is another good reason to donate to their legislative fund. ____________________________________________________________________________ Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired -- R. Geis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2 KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905) Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA " 3838,15,"From: aidler@sol.uvic.ca (E Alan Idler) Subject: Re: Mormon Temples Organization: University of Victoria Lines: 80 mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: >saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) writes: >>dan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >[Dan's question about Mormon Temple rituals deleted for brevity] >> >>Just thought I would interject this, and I believe you Dan when you say >>that you don't mean to offend: For us LDS temple goers, the temple >>ceremonies are very sacred. So much so that anyone who goes there >>promises never to divulge them. So how much can you trust someone >>who is telling you about the cerermony? >One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the >temple rituals secret. There are lots of sacred things in >Christianity, including the Sacred Scriptures themselves, but there is >nothing secret about these things. Is it appropriate for the Lord not to reveal certain things before the world (i.e., publish them widely)? These things sacred to Himself. He may place any pre- or post-conditions He feels are necessary. Moreover, there are precedents in scripture where knowledge of sacred things is withheld: 1. After the Transfiguration Jesus instructed Peter, James, and John to ""tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead"" (Matt. 17:9). If we were living at the time of Savior, there would be no (public) record of this event. 2. A faithful friend of Paul experiences a vision of ""paradise"" when he ""heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"" (2 Cor. 12:4). This person heard something which Paul can not write to the Corinthians (and us). 3. There is an incident recorded in the Book of Mormon where words uttered by ""babes"" were ""forbidden that there should not any man write them (3 Nephi 26:16, the entire text follows for those of you without access to the BOM). 3 Nephi 26:16 Behold, it came to pass on the morrow that the multitude gathered themselves together, and they both saw and heard these children; yea, even babes did open their mouths and utter marvelous things; and the things which they did utter were forbidden that there should not any man write them. Some LDS scholars speculate that these words which could not be written are the sacred portions from temple we are to withhold from the world (but it could be something else). >I >can understand why Mormons would limit temple access to only faithful >Mormons, but I have never understood the emphasis on shrouding temple >ritual in mystery. There is much we can discuss about the temple ordinances. We can discuss regarding baptisms and other vicarious ordinances for the dead. We can discuss certain concepts regarding the endowment (""the ritual""). However, there are certain elements I can not discuss with anyone (including other saints) outside of the temple. As a portion of the endowment, we receive the tokens and signs that will permit us access to Heaven. I must keep this knowledge sacred and respect the conditions under which it is revealed to me. A IDLER " 3839,15,"From: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: UH Dept of Math Lines: 162 ""Darren"" == Dr Nancy's Sweetie writes: Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines. and Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect. The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint. While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin. Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think, does Darren. We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible. But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe the Word. We need, first and foremost, faith. For ""the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, *nor can it do so*"" (Romans 8:7). Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation (""Sola Scriptura""), but accepted the necessity of the use of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation. Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, ""But mad reason rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like the works which we do, regards it as worthless."" (Large Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism). To make matters more complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many people would describe as an `absolutist'. I've seen him described as a `take no prisoners' theologian. We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther was inconsistent or mad. And surely at least some have come to that conclusion. But it might be useful to recall that Jesus was also called mad. And Peter felt compelled to defend himself and the apostles against a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost. So we as Christians ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others) as mad. Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true (Acts 17:11). The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy Spirit. This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that guides, informs, and uses reason. The Spirit enables us to know the truth and to proclaim it boldly. God does not want us to preach the message that ""I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead"" but rather ""I know that my redeemer lives!"" (Job 19:25). The Christian does not side with Pilate in saying ""What is truth?"" but rather follows Christ, who said, ""In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me"" (John 18:37). We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can know the truth. Jesus said, ""If you hold to my teachings, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"" (John 8:31,32). The Proverbs urge us ""Buy the truth, and do not sell it."" (Pr 23:23). The Psalmist prayed ""Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth"" (Ps 119:43). Evidently he believed that the word of truth was in fact `in his mouth'. Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth is motivated by self-glorification. But if we present the truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther did, then we are not arrogant, but humble. We should humbly trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his promise of forgiveness. REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be REXLEX> absolute about a thing. Darren> But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears. I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such reasoning is based on Scripture. However I think I would draw the line of distinction more `reasonably' :-) and less `academically' than you would. Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, ""This is my body."" Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and Darren> absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much. Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean Darren> that literally or not? We do not have any record that he Darren> elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con- Darren> substantiation? He didn't say. Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement about the Lord's supper. The Lutheran approach is to say that if Jesus said, ""This is my body,"" then that is what we should believe. Other interpretations are rejected simply because they are not taught in Scripture. Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject. We also have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to us, what he received from the Lord. In particular he said, ""For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes."" By these words we should believe that the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us. Does this *prove* that tran-substantiation is false? I suppose someone could say that Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because that is the way the body appears when we eat it. But this thought is found nowhere in Scripture. So we reject it. Thus the primary reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture. [side remark] I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is con-substantiation. But it has been non-Lutherans who have told me this. We tend not to use the word. I almost think that this is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's Supper. But almost every church wants to call their own teaching ""real presence"" because that was the traditional teaching of the church. [end side remark] Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe Darren> that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying Darren> to cover them up. This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations in their witnessing. It is far better to take the approach, ""I'd like to show you what Scripture says. You decide for yourself whether to believe it or not."" Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Darren> Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though, Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert Becker's paperback, ""The Foolishness of God: The place of reason in Lutheran theology,"" published by Northwestern Publishing House. This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University of Chicago. David Wagner ""Not by might, nor by power, a confessional Lutheran but by my Spirit,"" says the LORD Almighty. Zechariah 4:6. " 3840,2,"From: calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ???? Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO Lines: 3 Not on my system. Frank Calloway " 3841,14,"From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 19 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: ... >Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a >fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up >fast. I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a >technical education to follow them up. Too bad I wound up in an >assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day... >(-: How can you tell they're identical? You got one of them ""Star Drek: The Next Syndication"" neutrino scanners? -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 3842,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr14.231654.14060@stsci.edu> rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes: >This question is probably mostly for Allen Sherzer, but anyone who KNOWS >would be welcome to answer. I was just wondering if we could have some kind >of update on DC-X. Well it rolled out two weeks ago. As we speak it is at White Sands getting ready. I would have called my sources for the latest but they are all out of town (in NM). As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions. Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR. Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made for spending half on DC. Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media ans get them to cover the flight tests. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------62 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 3843,3,From: rlb534@ibm-03.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Subject: FASTMicro out of business? Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I heard FASTMicro went out of business. Is this true? They don't answer their 800 number. It's 800-821-9000. 3844,5,"From: curtiss@cs.UND.NoDak.Edu (Chuck Curtiss x3289) Subject: Athena Widgets Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Where do I find the Athena Widgets that are needed for xtdm-2.4.8 Thanks in advance " 3845,12,"From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com In article rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) wrote: >mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes: > > >>I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact >>that ADCOM does NOT make its own ""High End"" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+ >>of it comes directly out of Tiawan... > >Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards >assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east). Final >assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick. > and of course you older folks on the net will remember way back when Adcom got its RAVE reviews and kudos (ca 1985 or so) their 555 amp and preamp WERE not only designed here but built here in the USA. then they went to mexico and then to taiwan right after their sales skyrocketed because of their Stereopile review!!! if you have units that old look for MADE IN --- stickers on your unit. " 3846,5,"From: dale@wente.llnl.gov (Dale M. Slone) Subject: xlock Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: morbid.llnl.gov I found an oddity with our SGI Indigo (MIPS R3000 chip). When xlock +nolock is running, and I am working remotely or in batch (at) mode, the runtime of my programs (as timed by using clock() in the code itself) is ~25% slower than if xlock is NOT running. No other processes seem to affect my runtimes, yet this is very consistent! Any explanations, real or imagined :) thanx dale@frostedflakes.llnl.gov " 3847,13,"From: slyx0@cc.usu.edu Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 >>Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you >>provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles >>disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever. > > You mean ""asserting"". You're being intellectually dishonest (or just > plain confused), because you're conflating reports which do not necessarily > have anything to do with each other. Olney's reports would argue a potential > for problems in human infants, but that's not to say that this says anything > whatsoever about the use of MSG in most foods, nor does he provide any > studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects (for obvious > reasons.) It says nothing about MSG's contribtion to the phenomenon > of the ""Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"". It says nothing about the frequent > inability to replicate anecdotal reports of MSG sensitivity in the lab. Okay Mr. Dyer, we're properly impressed with your philosophical skills and ability to insult people. You're a wonderful speaker and an adept politician. However, I believe that all you were asked to do, was simply provide scientific research refuting the work of Olney. I don't think the original poster sought to start a philisophical debate. she wanted some information. Given a little effort one could justify that shooting oneself with a .45 before breakfast is a healthy practice. But we're not particularily interested in what you can verbally prove/disprove or rationalize. Where's the research? Where are the studies? I appoligize if this sounds flamish. I simply would like to see the thread get back on track. Lone Wolf Happy are they who dream dreams, Ed Philips And pay the price to see them come true. slyx0@cc.usu.edu -unknown " 3848,7,"From: jao@megatest.com (John Oswalt) Subject: Re: legal car buying problems Organization: Megatest Corporation X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Distribution: ca Lines: 32 rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes: : In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes: : >After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new : >car. Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were : >different from the terms I had agreed to. (I made the stupid mistake : >of not checking everything on the contract). This all happened last : >Saturday. : > : >I have heard that there is a ""cooling-off"" law allowing me three days : >to reconsider the contract. Is this true? Can anyone point me to the : >law? The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters. : : This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen : you are solicited at home. I also think the cooling off period ends : if you actually accept the merchandise. : : If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return : a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it. Yeah - : that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy : & return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned : used car. However, if you agree some terms, and then, when about to sign, the dealer slips you a contract with different terms, and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to, that is fraud. There is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud. You may have to sue (and win) to get out of this. You will almost certainly have to threaten to sue. -- John Oswalt jao@megatest.com or jao@netcom.com " 3849,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 7 In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes: >So is cocaine. What's your point? That neither is harmful when used carefully? " 3850,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: note to Bobby M. Lines: 52 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr14.190904.21222@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: >From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) >Subject: Re: note to Bobby M. >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:09:04 GMT >In article <1993Apr14.131548.15938@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >>In madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >> >>>Mark, how much do you *REALLY* know about vegetarian diets? >>>The problem is not ""some"" B-vitamins, it's balancing proteins. >>>There is also one vitamin that cannot be obtained from non-animal >>>products, and this is only of concern to VEGANS, who eat no >>>meat, dairy, or eggs. I believe it is B12, and it is the only >>>problem. Supplements are available for vegans; yes, the B12 >>>does come from animal by-products. If you are on an ovo-lacto >>>vegetarian diet (eat dairy and eggs) this is not an issue. > >I didn't see the original posting, but... >Yes, I do know about vegetarian diets, considering that several of my >close friends are devout vegetarians, and have to take vitamin supplements. >B12 was one of the ones I was thinking of, it has been a long time since >I read the article I once saw talking about the special dietary needs >of vegetarians so I didn't quote full numbers. (Considering how nice >this place is. ;) > >>B12 can also come from whole-grain rice, I understand. Some brands here >>in Australia (and other places too, I'm sure) get the B12 in the B12 >>tablets from whole-grain rice. > >Are you sure those aren't an enriched type? I know it is basically >rice and soybeans to get almost everything you need, but I hadn't heard >of any rice having B12. > >>Just thought I'd contribute on a different issue from the norm :) > >You should have contributed to the programming thread earlier. :) > >> Fred Rice >> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >M^2 > If one is a vegan (a vegetarian taht eats no animal products at at i.e eggs, milk, cheese, etc., after about 3 years of a vegan diet, you need to start taking B12 supplements because b12 is found only in animals.) Acutally our bodies make B12, I think, but our bodies use up our own B12 after 2 or 3 years. Lacto-oveo vegetarians, like myself, still get B12 through milk products and eggs, so we don't need supplements. And If anyone knows more, PLEASE post it. I'm nearly contridicting myself with the mish-mash of knowledge I've gleaned. Tammy " 3851,15,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) Subject: Re: SDA Doctrinal Distinctives Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 15 In article jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: |There is a book provided by the SDA which is entitled ""The Seventh Day |Adventist Church believes"", or something like that. It is a basic |coverage of the 30 ideas that SDA's hold to. For further info about it, |please write me later (once I get the actual title and/or copyright |date) or Celia Chan, cmchan@amber.ucs.indiana.edu, because she first |""introduced"" me to the book (I must also add that she is NOT a member of |the SDA anymore). The book is called ""27 basic fundamental beliefs"" or something very close to that. the number *IS* 27, not 30. I have a copy at home (i'm away at school.) Tammy " 3852,10,"From: ayim@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim) Subject: Re: Blackhawks win!!! Lines: 15 Organization: University of Waterloo In article <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes: > The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the > Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the > Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against > the Wings. > > Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!! > > GO HAWKS!!! > > JB But I gotta tell ya, If the Hawks can't beat the Blues in a game that IS significant I can't wait to see how the Blues might do against Toronto ;) BTW, if you think that the Hawks deserved to win that game I think you were not watching the same one everyone else was. ROAR'IN LEAF FAN -- ****************************************** * Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim * * 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) * * University of Waterloo, Canada. * * E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu * ***************************************************************************** " 3853,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >>as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. >So, why ""must"" they have such laws? The quotation marks should enclose ""laws,"" not ""must."" If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society into chaos. keith " 3854,18,"From: ihorton@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dr Zippy) Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh Organization: Dr Zippys psycho surgery Lines: 13 In article <930316.144130.lynn@pcgeo23> lynn@granitt.uio.no (Malcolm Lynn) writes: > >this is a tesrt >s Of your spelling, eh? Dr Zippy. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dr Zippy, proof that ""Dum blonde"" isn't a women only title | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ihorton@uk.ac.coventry.cck " 3855,1,"From: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen) Subject: DICTA-93 Originator: edb@friend.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU Keywords: Conference Reply-To: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen) Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia Lines: 163 Australian Pattern Recognition Society 2nd CALL FOR PAPERS DICTA-93 2nd Conference on - DIGITAL IMAGING COMPUTING: TECHNIQUES AND APPLICATIONS Location: Macquarie Theatre Macquarie University Sydney Date: 8-10 December 1993. DICTA-93 is the second biennial national conference of the Australian Pattern Recognition Society. This event will provide an opportunity for any persons with an interest in computer vision, digital image processing/analysis and other aspects of pattern recognition to become informed about contemporary developments in the area, to exchange ideas, to establish contacts and to share details of their own work with others. The Following invited speakers will provide specialised presentations: Prof Gabor T. Herman, University of Pennsylvania on Medical Imaging. Prof. R.M. Hodgson, Massey University New Zealand on Computer Vision. Prof. Dominique Juelin, Centre de Morphologie Mathematique, Paris on Mathematical Morphology. Prof. John Richards, Aust. Defence Force Academy, Canberra on Remote Sensing. Dr. Phillip K. Robertson, CSIRO Division of Information Technology, Canberra on Interactive Visualisation. The conference will concentrate on (but is not limited to) the following areas of image processing:- * Computer Vision and Object Recognition * Motion Analysis * Morphology * Medical Imaging * Fuzzy logic and Neural Networks * Image Coding * Machine Vision and Robotics * Enhancement and Restoration * Enhancement and Restoration * Visualisation * Industrial Applications * Software and Hardware Tools Papers are sought for presentation at the conference and publication in the conference proceedings. Submission for peer review should consist of an extended abstract of 750-1000 words of doubled spaced text, summarizing the technical aspects of the paper and any results that will be quoted. Final papers should be limited to no more than 8 pages of text and illustrations in camera-ready form. Four (4) copies of the abstract should be sent to: DICTA-93 C/- Tony Adriaansen CSIRO - Division of Wool Technology PO Box 7 Ryde NSW 2112 Australia IMPORTANT DATES Abstract due - 25th June 1993 Acceptance notified - 27th August 1993 Final paper due - 15th October 1993 SOCIAL PROGRAM: The conference dinner will be held on the Thursday 9th of December 1993. Other social activities are being arranged. Situated on a beautiful harbour, Sydney has many and varied places of interest. The Opera House and Harbour Bridge are just two of the well known landmarks. Harbour cruises, city tours to the Blue Mountains run daily. We can provide further information on request. ACCOMMODATION: Accommodation within 15 min walking distance is available, ranging from college style to 5 star Hotel facilities. Information will be supplied upon request. CONFERENCE FEES: before 30th Sep. After 30th Sep. APRS Members A$220 A$250 APRS Student Members A$120 A$150 Others A$250 A$280 Conference Dinner A$35 on Dec 9th 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------- ADVANCED REGISTRATION Name: Organisation: Address Phone: Fax: email: - I am a current Member of APRS. - I am not a current member of APRS. - Please send me information on accommodation. I enclose a cheque for ------------------------------------------------------------- Please send the above form to DICTA-93 C/- Tony Adriaansen CSIRO - Division of Wool Technology PO Box 7 Ryde NSW 2112 Australia The cheques should be made payable to DICTA-93. For further information contact: * Tony Adriaansen (02) 809 9495 * Athula Ginigie (02) 330 2393 * email: dicta93@ee.uts.edu.au APRS is a member of IAPP the International Association for Pattern Recognition, Inc. An affiliated member of the International Federation for Information Processing. " 3856,6,"From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) Subject: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2 Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 8 4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original box, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you. Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if you're interested in this marvel of modern technology. --- Andrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com " 3857,14,"From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) Subject: Re: space news from Feb 1 AW&ST Nntp-Posting-Host: starman.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 10 >Marshall is investigating a small but odd pressure rise in one SRB >during the Jan 12 Endeavour launch. It lasted only three seconds and >the thrust difference between the two SRBs was not enough to cause >nozzle gimballing. The SRB casing shows no abnormalities. Is this the one that had the {wrench|pliers} found inside after recovery? " 3858,8,"Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca Distribution: world Organization: Robert Smits Lines: 33 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes: > Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote: > : In article emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes: > : > > : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at > : >Brooklands in the late '20's. > > : In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including > : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus > : racing model. > > Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and > worked with George Brough. > > Can someone post me details of ""The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles"", > sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of. > Sure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin Tragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited, Astronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England. It was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then was Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian dollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could let the net know. Bob. Robert Smits Ladysmith BC | If Lucas built weapons, wars emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca | would never start, either. " 3859,3,"From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Help on hand scanners wanted Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 30 Fellow netters, I'm in the market for a hand scanner. However, I don't know anyone who has one. I have my eye on two choices. Dexxa: This scanner is available at Wal-Mart for $90. It includes GrayWorks software and provides 400 dpi and 32 grayscales (I think). The OCR software Catchword is available through mail-order for about $90 also. Mustek: (Gray Artist for Windows) This scanner offers 256 grayscales (according to Cad & Graphics) and 800 dpi. It is available for $169 mail-order and comes with Perceive OCR and Picture Publisher LE. I am also looking at a Genius hand scanner (B105) from Cad & Graphics. It is basically the same as the Mustek scanner except for the resolution (400 dpi) and price ($149). Basically, I would like recommendations on which to buy. I have heard that Logitech makes the best and manufactures Dexxa scanners. But which one is the best buy? Would 800 dpi really be helpful (output would be no better than HP LaserJet III or Canon BJ-200 - 300x300 to 360x360)? I am leaning toward the Mustek because it offers the most features and is in the middle in terms of prices. Which should I buy? If you have a hand scanner, please let me know whether or not you would recommend it. Also, if you know of another scanner within the price range (under $225) that would be a better deal, please E-Mail me. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. - Kevin Harter " 3860,11,"From: eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department Lines: 70 In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: > Check your facts first and grow up. >Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography >and immaturity I wonder. Hmmm. ""Check your facts."" Good advice. Let's check Mr. Cain's facts a bit, shall we? >Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: >: Some limitation. Let me guess: don't use the code in any way PKP or >: RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the >: average citizen. > >That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it. There is >nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling >it. FACT: It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it. Furthermore, any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent law, is similarly unlawful. Therefore, the ""average citizen"" cannot use RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP. There is no licensed, freely available product in the US that uses RSA encryption other than RSAREF (and hence RIPEM), at least as far as I am aware. If you know of another, please post it here. >: All I have to say is...yeah, right. If you're willing to pay them >: mucho big bucks and/or use the routines *they* tell you to do. >: Doesn't sound very reasonable to me. > >All I have to say is this is full of shit. I have negotiated a license >and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a >sliding scale depending on your capitalization. If you are a startup >and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place. >Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which >they know nothing. FACT: The last contact I had with RSA Data Security, Inc was with some guy trying to sell me a license (unsolicited, I might add) for TIPEM. Cost: $15K plus 2-5 percent royalties. I suppose it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not these terms count as ""mucho bucks"" or ""incredibly reasonable."" Either way, however, this definitely falls into the ""routines *they* tell you to (use)"". >: But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks. Maybe >: they have some other agenda? Secure communications only for >: government agents, perhaps? > >Have you considered treatment for paranoia? The government is the >single biggest thorn in RSA's side. FACT: There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change. The only impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's patents. Mr. Cain, please shut up until you get your facts straight. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ""Better than the whole world be destroyed and crumble to dust than a free man deny one of his desires."" -Benito Mussolini, Italian anarchist and poet. Jack Eifrig (eifrig@cs.jhu.edu) The Johns Hopkins University, C.S. Dept. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 3861,17,From: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 25 Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. People die that is all. No one gets killed. Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it intelligently. Sincerely yours. Hassan 3862,4,"From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) Subject: Re: DSP or other cards for FFT's, anyone? Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex33.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 16 In article <1qjnpi$bsj@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) wrote: > > We are doing heavy - duty image processing with some seriously > underpowered Mac's (Mac IIsi, for example). Most of the CPU time is > burned in doing FFT's. > > What cards are out there which would allow us to take away that part > of the load from the CPU? Any DSP 56001 or i860 cards out there, > for example? They'd have to be callable from Think Pascal, to > replace the one - and two - dimensional FFT's routines in an already > existing program. Check out the National Instruments NB-DSP2300. This uses the Texas Instruments TMS320C30 chip, which is a true 32 bit floating point DSP. It's pricey, however. " 3863,15,"From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Subject: Re: March for Jesus Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 16 The only info I have is my area is not having a large march. They are leaving it up to each congragation. IMO this means organizers found it too difficult to manage or no one feels the need to be involved. I'm not casting stones, my involvement with the Lord does not include the March this year. Maybe He is giving a message by the lack of one?? JLS ============================================================================= Jerry L Storrs, Systems Manager ||| U Got 2 B Tru, Dept of Chemical Engineering ||| U Got 2 B Livin' What U Say U Believe North Carolina State University ||| U Got 2 B Tru, Raleigh, NC 27695 ||| Even when nobody but Jesus is watchin U 919-515-6393 (-3465 FAX) ||| storrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred) ||| (Steven Curtis Chapman) <>< ||| ============================================================================= " 3864,13,"From: jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier ) Subject: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Lines: 19 Hello, I am interested in trying this ""desensitization"" (?) method against hay fever. What is the state of affairs about this. I went to a doctor and paid $85 for a 10 minute interview + 3 scratches, leading to the diagnostic that I am allergic to (June and Timothy) grass. I believe this. From now on it looks like 2 shots per week for 6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so. Each shot costs $20. Talking about soaring costs and the Health care system, I would call that a racket. We are not talking about rare Amazonian grasses here, but the garbage which grows behind the doctor's office. Apart from this issue, I was somewhat disappointed to find out that you have to keep getting the shots forever. Is that right? Thanks for information. Ej " 3865,4,"From: maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) Subject: QuickDraw GX (was Re: When are the rest of the Inside Mac's due?) Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center Lines: 21 >> >>We'll be releasing a whole new suite of QuickDraw GX-related docs. If >>you're going to be at the WWDC next month you'll get a preliminary >version >>of most of this documentation on the CD. We're talking multiple >thousands >>of pages, I'm afraid; GX (comprising graphics, layout and printing) >has >>LOTS of new API calls and other functionality, all of which need >documenting... >> >>Dave Opstad >>GX Line Layout Weenie Does GX take the place of 32 bit QD or add to it? Right now 32 bit is kinda aesthetically a pain in a few places because of hacks upon hacks to maintain compatibility with original QD---I think of things like where you have to cast CGrafPorts to GrafPorts and such. It would be a lot cleaner to ditch this entire mess and start over---do we get that? Maynard " 3866,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 27 mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes: > Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered: > > You husbands likewise, live with your wives in > an understanding way, as with a weaker vessel, > since she is a woman; and grant her honor as > a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your > prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7 One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin of physically abusing one's wife. The husband is usually physically stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her. He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an example of a specific sin that blocks prayer. This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what is God's will for his family without consulting his wife. God reveals His will to both the husband and the wife. There needs to be some degree of mutuality in decision making. Even those whose understanding of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family. One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband and to the husband through the wife. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 3867,4,"From: frodel@dhhalden.no (Frode Lundemo) Subject: Apple 13"" giong brighter Nntp-Posting-Host: pc138 Organization: Ostfold Regional College Lines: 4 My Apple 13"" RGB monitor has over the past few months gone brighter and brighter and the colors are not as rich as before. Has anyone out there encountered a similar problem? Dows anyone happen to know what this problem may be due to? " 3868,1,"From: eapu207@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Peter Kondis) Subject: Physics lab LOSES a number!!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Summary: I need a pointer address for one of those weird graphics modes. Keywords: VGA Lines: 10 Please , I need the starting address (pointer) for the beginning of the color information (RGB) on VGA mode 68h (that's 68 hex, gee, duh!)... Thanks SOOOO much (hugs and kisses) in advance..... .....John (at UCI) e-mail---> eapu207@orion.oac.uci.edu " 3869,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Should patients read package inserts (PDR)? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 48 In article <1993Mar29.113528.930@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes: >Hmmmm... here's one place where I really think the patient ought to take more >responsibility for him- or herself. There is absolutely no reason why you >can't ask the pharmacist filling the prescription for the ""Physicians' Package >Insert"" for the medication when you pick it up at the pharmacy. Make sure to >tell the pharmacist that you want the ""Physicians' Package Insert"" *NOT* the If people are going to do this, I really wish they would tell me first. I'd be happy to go over the insert (in the PDR) with them and explain everything. All too many patients read the insert and panic and then on the next visit sheepishly admit they were afraid to take the drug and we are starting over again at square one. Some of them probably didn't even come back for followup because they didn't want to admit they wouldn't take the drug or thought I was trying to kill them or something. What people don't understand about the inserts is that they report every adverse side effect ever reported, without substantiating that the drug was responsible. The insert is a legal document to slough liability from the manufacturer to the physician if something was to happen. If patients want to have the most useful and reliable information on a drug they would be so much better off getting hold of one of the AMA drug evaluation books or something similar that is much more scientific. There are very few drugs that someone hasn't reported a death from taking. Patients don't realize that and don't usually appreciate the risks to themselves properly. I'm sure Herman is going to ""go ballistic"", but so be it. Another problem is that probably most drugs have been reported to cause impotence. Half the males who read that will falsely assume it could permanently cause them to lose sexual function and so will refuse to take any drug like that. This can be a real problem for PDR readers. There needs to be some way of providing patients with tools geared to them that allow them to get the information they need. I am involved in a research project to do that, with migraine as the domain. It involves a computer system that will provide answers to questions about migraine as well as the therapy prescribed for the patient. For common illnesses, such as migraine and hypertension, this may help quite a bit. The patient could spend as much time as needed with the computer and this would then not burden the physician. Clearly, physicians in large part fail to answer all the questions patients have, as is demonstrated over and over here on the net where we get asked things that the patients should have found out from their physician but didn't. Why they didn't isn't always the physician's fault either. Sometimes the patients are afraid to ask. They won't be as afraid to ask the system, we hope. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3870,2,"From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net >In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: >>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) >>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP >>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT >> >>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of >>late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every >>day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I There is a way in SYS.INI to turn off RAM parity checking (unfortunately, my good Windows references are at home, but any standard Win reference will tell you how to do it. If not, email back to me.) That weird memory may be producing phony parity errors. Danger is, if you turn checkling off, you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error. " 3871,1,"From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK Subject: test....(sorry) Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk ============================================================================== " 3872,7,"From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng) Subject: 1990 Integra LS for sale Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: nj Keywords: for sale integra Lines: 15 ********* 1990 Integra LS for Sale ********* 5 speed, sunroof, rear spoiler, new tires 59.7K miles $ 7950 or best offer. call 908-949-0878 908-938-4101 email att!hotsoup!peng ********************************************* " 3873,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: sgi Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: |> In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which |> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim |> >community in the Uk and elsewhere. |> |> >jon. |> |> Grow up, childish propagandist. Gregg, I'm really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice things aren't quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim them to be upsets you, but exactly who is being childish here is open to question. BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank - what will someone bet me they weren't ""real"" Islamic owners and operators? - and yet it actually turned out to be a long-running and quite ruthless operation to steal money from small and often quite naive depositors. And why did these naive depositors put their life savings into BCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down the street? Could it be that they believed an Islamically owned and operated bank couldn't possibly cheat them? So please don't try to con us into thinking that it will all work out right next time. jon. " 3874,8,"From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Lines: 51 Nntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: >Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote: >& >& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which >& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less >& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction >& in certain markets which makes it commercially viable. It's not sold >& in the US where it is unneeded and unwanted. >& >& As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will >& still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are >& very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the >& annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. >The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which >means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900. >power. And less brakes. A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever, much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8"" in a fine Randy Mamola impression. ;{> >As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will >still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give a few liter bike riders fits in the future. >very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the The steering locks are adjustable. >annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black leather. ********************************************************************* '86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich '72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055 '79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245 Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843 Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28% Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes... e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis) Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this. ********************************************************************* " 3875,9,"From: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock) Subject: Re: Tribune & Times Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 20 Reply-To: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock) NNTP-Posting-Host: g210b-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes: > pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu wrote: > > > > Is the Chicago Tribune baseball coverage any good? Does the New York Times > > have daily coverage/boxscores? > > I don't know about the Tribune but the Times has daily coverage and boxscores. > Of course, they have special emphasis on the Yankees and Mets Beware. The original poster looks to be from Louisville, and chances are Louisville gets the edition of the NYTimes that is printed in Chicago for the MidWest. This edition has boxscores only on Monday (and Sunday) and an extremely skimpy sports section (few game summaries, mostly just color stories). -- Bradley W. Brock, Department of Mathematics Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology | ""Resist not evil.... Love your enemies."" brock@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu | --some Nazarene carpenter " 3876,2,"From: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Organization: Physics Department, FSU News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS Reply-To: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu Lines: 26 >In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >> >>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >>if anyone else had seen this. >> >As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. >It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute >or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I >susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded >a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. >Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. >It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, >I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it >before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here >usually are far more in the know. I use the Diamond SpeedStar 24X in 1024X768X256 mode all of the time. I have NOT found distortions in the cursor. The cursor is a little jumpy from time to time (due to 32 bit access to the swap file), but it is never distorted. Greg Bishop. (bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu) " 3877,6,"From: egret@wet.UUCP (thomas helke) Subject: Re: Kiev 88 Medium format camera, !!! Cheaper Prices !!! Distribution: usa Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco Lines: 8 I agree. I own one. Aside from the shutter, it is built like a little tank. A very good camera. Your price sounds reasonable, too. New, I paid $565 for my KIEV 88 Camera Kit. Good luck. Thomas Helke egret@wet.UUCP " 3878,10,"From: Gibson.Bill@applelink.apple.com (Bill Gibson) Subject: SHARKS: Kingston Fired!!! Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 8 I just overheard that San Jose Coach George Kingston was officially terminated today... Maybe good news, maybe bad. I kinda liked him, but he seemed to lack a certain fire. Bill Gibson : Gibson.Bill@applelink.apple.com Chief Technical Sponge : AppleLink: GIBSON.BILL Apple Computer, Inc. : Just say: SHARKS!!! " 3879,15,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Was Jesus Black? Lines: 45 This subject seems to be incredibly inflammatory. Those who subscribe to _Biblical Archaeology Review_ will remember a spectacular letter battle set off when someone complained about a Franklin Mint ad. (_BAR_ is a great magazine, but the contrast between the rather scholarly articles and the incredibly sleazy ads is extreme.) In this ad, they were hawking a doll with a head based on the famous bust of Nefertiti, giving the face a typical doll-pink complexion. The letter complained about this as a misrepresentation on the grounds that Nefertiti was ""a beautiful black queen."" This set off an exchange of hotheaded letters than ran for several issues, to the point where they had an article from an Egyptologist titled ""Was Cleopatra Black?"" (The answer to the title is ""no""-- she was greek.) I have to say that I hear a hysterical note in much of the complaining. I personally have seen only one blond-haired Jesus (in the National Shrine in Wash. DC), and I found it very jarring. Western representations vary enourmously, but in general the image of is of a youngish male with dark hair and beard, of a sort that can be found (modulo the nose) all up and down the Mediterranean. (Also, if what I remember is correct, the ""Black Madonna"" doesn't represent a person with negroid features. It is black because of an accident. Joe Buehler....?) In the presence of all those marble statues, one is prone to forget that greeks are rather likely to have black hair. When one crosses the bosporus, the situation breaks down completely. Are Turks white? How about Persians, or various groups in the indian subcontinent? Was Gandhi white? How about the Arabs? Or picture Nassar and Sadat standing side by side. And then there are the Ethiopians.... Those of a white racist bent are not likely to say that *any* of these people are ""white"" (i.e., of the racist's ""race""). If I may risk a potentially inflammatory remark, one undercurrent of this seems to be the identification of modern jews as members of the oppressor race. Considering the extreme dicotomy between medieval religion on the one hand and medieval antisemitism on the other, I don't think that this ""Jesus was white"" thesis ever played the roles that some hold it did. Representations of Jesus as black or korean or whatever are fine. It seems awfully self-serving to insist that Jesus belongs to one's own racial group. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 3880,15,"From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Subject: Christian's need for Christianity (was ...) Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 26 In article , Robert Angelo Pleshar writes: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu > In-Reply-To: > > from Anna Matyas: >>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it >>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... >>> >>>Gerald >> >>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they >>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of >>misconducts? >> >>And this comes from a Chelios fan... > > Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 > minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the > best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I > could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) > > Ralph >HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? I.Mario Lemieux A.Death 1.Too much Kimo 2.Slash to skull 3.Ask the Rangers (Slashing his wrist????) II.Jaromir Jagr A.Deportation 1.Send him back to whatever Commie country he's from 2.Tell him that Bill Clinton is going too III.Kevin Stevens A.Fighting 1.Call Bob Probert 2.Call Tie Domi 3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass) " 3883,5,"From: martinh@cac.washington.EDU (Martin Hunt) Subject: Announcing tcpview: A Motif-based TCP/IP protocol analyzer Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing Lines: 89 Keywords: protocol analyzer TCP/IP To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu Tcpview is the result of several problems we had at UW. We have several Network General Sniffers which are heavily used to help debug problems on several hundred subnets. These are good tools, but they are 1) heavy, 2) hard to find when you need one, 3) limited in their software expandibility, 4) difficult to use to upload data for analysis, 5) cannot be remotely operated, and 6) cannot resolve names with DNS, requiring much manual manipulation of the name table. We also sometimes use tcpdump, but we found it 1) too difficult for most people, 2) did not have enough information for many protocols, 3) could not be used interactively, 4) could not handle TCP streams and 5) could not read Sniffer files. However, tcpdump did do a reasonable job of decoding a large number of protocols, and could be easily modified. Tcpview is an attempt to resolve these problems by adding a Motif interface to tcpdump and expanding its features. Tcpview has been tested on a DECstation 5000 and Sun 4 under Ultrix 4.2 and SunOS 4.1 respectively. It should work on the same systems as tcpdump. It compiles with cc and gcc on the DEC and Sun. To build tcpview you will need Motif 1.1 or better. The following files are available for anonymous ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu in /pub/networking tcpview-1.0.tar.Z tcpview and tcpdump source code tcpview-1.0.sun.tar.Z Sun4 binaries tcpview-1.0.dec.tar.Z DEC Mips Ultrix 4.2 binaries What tcpview adds to tcpdump: - easier interface - enhanced protocol decoding - hex display of frame - capture based on time, number of frames, or user interrupt - can show ethernet addresses with manufacturer's name - ethernet address host table - can easily follow a stream, highlighting out-of-order frames - can send TCP data to an external file or filter for additional processing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHANGES TO TCPDUMP 2.2.1 New features: Now reads and writes Network General Sniffer files. When used with '-r', the file type will be automatically detected. Can now read in (and use) an SNMP MIB file. The hex format has been changed. New time options have been added. Options were added to allow viewing and processing of the data in TCP packets. Bugs were fixed in the relative TCP sequence numbers. (-S flag) New flags: -R read Sniffer file. Not usually needed, except for reading from stdin -ttt prints delta times -tttt prints times relative to the first frame -W write a Sniffer save file (use with -w) -x print frame (minus link-level header) in hexdump format. Sample output: 16:36:23.349851 jeff.cac.washington.edu.1285 > nic.funet.fi.ftp: S 0:0(0) win 16384 0000 45 00 00 28 8a 98 00 00 3c 06 7c 9c 80 5f 70 02 | E..(....<.|.._p. 0010 80 d6 06 64 05 05 00 15 5b 19 4a 00 00 00 00 00 | ...d....[.J..... 0020 50 02 40 00 4e 13 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | P.@.N......... -X print TCP data in hexdump format (used with -Z) -z write TCP data to stdout (use with -t to eliminate timestamp) -Z write frames and TCP data to stdout Martin M. Hunt martinh@cac.washington.edu Networks & Distributed Computing University of Washington -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Hunt martinh@cac.washington.edu Networks and Distributed Computing University of Washington " 3884,1,"From: dkusswur@falcon.depaul.edu (Daniel C. Kusswurm) Subject: Siggraph 1987 Course Notes Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.depaul.edu Organization: DePaul University, Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I am looking for a copy of the following Siggraph publication: Gomez, J.E. ""Comments on Event Driven Annimation,"" Siggraph Course Notes, 10, 1987. If anyone knows of a location where I can obtain a copy of these notes, I would appreciate if they could let me know. Thanks. dkusswur@falcon.depaul.edu " 3885,15,"From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 20 stuff deleted ... > Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. > Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject > themselves with jeezus and live with that high. Your logic is falty. If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we die, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that while you are alive you enjoy yourself. I also question your overall motives for posting this article. Why would you waste your presious fews seconds on this earth posting your opinon to a group that will generally reject it. If you die, never having acepting Christ as your savior, I hope you have a fantastic life that it is all you evver dreamed because it is al of heaven you will ever know. In Christ's Love, Bryan " 3886,8,"From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) Subject: Re: Recommendation on Duc Summary: What's it worth? Distribution: usa Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 05:00:00 GMT Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Keywords: Ducati, GTS, How much? Lines: 13 I have a line on a Ducati 900GTS 1978 model with 17k on the clock. Runs very well, paint is the bronze/brown/orange faded out, leaks a bit of oil and pops out of 1st with hard accel. The shop will fix trans and oil leak. They sold the bike to the 1 and only owner. They want $3495, and I am thinking more like $3K. Any opinions out there? Please email me. Thanks. It would be a nice stable mate to the Beemer. Then I'll get a jap bike and call myself Axis Motors! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Tuba"" (Irwin) ""I honk therefore I am"" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org DoD #0826 (R75/6) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3887,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: disk safety measure? Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 23 cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel) writes: > There is no guarantee that the deleted space would be overwritten during > optimization. Likely, but no guarantee. A quicker and more secure method > would be a batch file that overwrote all of your free space. For example > fill.bat: > echo %1 >> out > fill.bat > (This is off the top of my head. #include ) It is MUCH easier, faster, and probably even more secure to use Norton Utilties 6.0 (I'm talking IBM PC here) and to tell WipeInfo to (a) clean the free disk space and (b) clean the slack space at the end of the files. Use to Government standard option for more careful overwriting... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 3888,6,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Airline ticket: Washington DC -> Champaign, IL (FOR SALE) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 9 I am selling a one way ticket from Washington DC to Champaign, IL ( the home of the University of Illinois). Am willing to offer a good price. If you are interested, please email me at: eshneken@uiuc.edu Thanks, Ed. " 3889,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 42 In article <24485@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes: >In article , callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >| In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >| >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes: >| >> >| >>It's a big aftermarket business. Almost no cars come from the factory with >| >>vynal any more, and any fake ""convertible"" job _definitely_ came from some >| >>aftermarket place. What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for >| >>bad taste >| > >| >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the >| >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? >| >| Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, >| named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I >| personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit >| (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful >| cars ever built, IMHO. >| >| James >| > >The Continental may have been the first ""modern era"" auto to mount the >spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one. >Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common >in early automobiles, both US and Foreign. The 1941 Lincoln Continental was the first car to sport the ""continental kit."" The continental kit is not to be confused with ye olde outside mounting bracket; a continental kit is a very specific ornament/storage compartment. (The 1941 Continental has a neat trunk; it looks rather like a laundry hamper, IMHO. :-) James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 3890,2,"From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) Subject: WANTED: Info on Asymetrix/Toolbook Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Lines: 17 Does anyone know the phone and fax number of the Asymetrix Corporation. I am also interested in their e-mail address. I would also like to know what the current status of their product Toolbook is. I received the last update 1.5 about 1.5 year ago. Are their any new developments or is Toolbook slowly dying? Regards, Rob de Winter. -- *** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** *** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** *** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** *** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** " 3891,3,"From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au) Subject: Reboot problem Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 38 From x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU Tue Apr 20 10:28:47 1993 Received: from usma1.usma.edu by trotter.usma.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-eef) id AA01628; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:27:50 EDT Received: by usma1.usma.edu (5.51/25-eef) id AA03219; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:18 EDT Message-Id: <9304201520.AA03219@usma1.usma.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:17 EDT From: x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU (Peckham David CDT) To: cs1442au@decster.uta.edu Subject: Problem. Status: OR -------------------- I am running a Unisys PW2 386SX20 with DOS 6. My problem, even when I had DOS 5.0, is that when I have EMM386 loaded I can't CTL-ALT-DEL. If I do, the computer beeps a few times rapidly and hangs. Then I have to use the obscure reset (requires a screwdriver or pencil) or the power switch to reboot. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? E-mail me at x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu Dave --------------------- Thanks, dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David S. Peckham | Internet : x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu U.S. Military Academy | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Brown cs1442au@decster.uta.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fav player Ruben Sierra " 3892,4,"From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: Re: What happens if you completely flatten your PB's battery? Nntp-Posting-Host: math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum Lines: 32 In article swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com (Aaron Swiers) writes: > schuyler@netcom.com (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes: > >stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: > >>Can running a PowerBook's battery completely flat have any > >>detrimental side effects (other than the PB not going :) I ask, > > > >Only two things I can think of. > >1. Although NiCad (145,145,160,165c,170,180) batteries should be completely > > discharged about once a month, LeadAcid batteries (100) shouldn't ever be > > completely discharged (well, maybe ONCE in a while is OKAY). > > > This is a very common mis-conception dealing with Ni-cad batteries. It is > a good idea to completely discharge a ni-cad CELL periodically. It is > NOT a good idea to completely discharge a ni-cad BATTERY. The difference > being that a cell is only one cell (nicad puts out 1.2 volts) like a > rechargeable AAA, AA, C, or D. A battery is defined as more than one > cell (9 volt, or 7.2 for nicad equivalent). Due to differences in the > individual cells of a battery, complete discharge can actually harm > a nicad battery more than help it overcome the ""memory effect"". The > most common problem is that over time an individual cell can develop > internal shorts, which will weaken other cells that are connected to > it, thus reducing the lifespan of your battery pack. > etc.... Okay, naive question: How does one discharge a cell without discharging the entire battery? " 3893,7,"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.222254.6651@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grays on Walker) writes: >Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that >pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an >excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more >old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine. >The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into >your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to >the local oil recycle center. Yeah I suppose you could do that. But then you don't get the broken knuckles, the rust in your eyes, the oil bath, and the burns from the exhaust. I mean come on!... Steve " 3894,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Theist Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 Pixie (dl2021@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote: : For all the problems technology has caused, your types have made : things even worse. Must we be reminded of the Inquisition, Operation : Rescue, the Ku Klux Klan, Posse Comitatus, the 700 Club, David Duke, Salem : Witch Trials, the Crusades, gay bashings, etc. : PLUS virtually each and every single war, regardless of the level of : technology, has had theistic organizations cheering on the carnage : (chaplains, etc.), and claiming that god was in favor of the whole ordeal. : Don't forget to pray for our troops! : This is really tedious. Every bad thing that's ever happened is because the malefactors were under the influence of religion - does anyone -really- believe that. I've seen it so often it must be a pretty general opinion in a.a, but I want to believe that atheists are really not THAT dishonest. Please, stick to the facts and, having accomplished that, interpret them correctly. Bill " 3895,4,From: gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim) Subject: Syquest 150 ??? Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 3 I remember someone mention about a 150meg syquest. Has anyone else heard anything about this? I'd be interested in the cost per megabyte and the approximate cost of the drive itself and how they compare to the Bernoulli 150. 3896,8,"From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Nntp-Posting-Host: moosehead.dtc.hp.com Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 6 In article klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes: > I beleive it's called the ""Dentabox"" frame. > >Nothing some putty and paint won't fix. This from someone riding a GSXR? Gutsy. " 3897,4,From: PKR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Patrick Krejcik) Subject: File Server Mac Article-I.D.: pkrmac.PKR-050493101102 Organization: SLAC Lines: 3 I saw once an article about a new line of Macs configured to work more optimally as file servers. Anyone know any more details? 3898,15,"From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41 Lines: 13 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: > The real problem was > that Christians were pacifist and preached there was only one god. When the > state operates by a system of divinitation of the emperor - monotheism > becomes a capital offense. The Jews were able to get exemption from this, > and were also not evangelistic. I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread. There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day. -- =Jim eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert) " 3899,8,"From: Dave Dal Farra Subject: Re: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 15:22:03 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm41a Organization: BNR Ltd. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 Lines: 30 In article Paul Nakada, pnakada@oracle.com writes: > >What's the feeling about eating and riding? I went out riding this >weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie. The whole >ride back I felt sluggish. I was certainly much more alert on the >ride in. I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest >thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides. > >From now on, a little snack will do. I'd much rather have a get that >full/sluggish feeling closer to home. > >-Paul >-- >Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com >DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S > To maintain my senses at their sharpest, I never eat a full meal within 24 hrs of a ride. I've tried Slim Fast Lite before a ride but found that my lap times around the Parliament Buildings suffered 0.1 secs. The resultant 70 pound weight loss over the summer just sharpens my bike's handling and I can always look forward to a winter of carbo-loading. Obligatory 8:) Dave D.F. ""It's true they say that money talks. When mine spoke it said 'Buy me a Drink!'."" " 3900,10,"From: c115110@cs.UAlberta.CA (Keith Scott Alan) Subject: Hockey coverage Nntp-Posting-Host: assn011.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 15 This is a general question for US readers: How extensive is the playoff coverage down there? In Canada, it is almost impossible not to watch a series on TV (ie the only two series I have not had an opportunity to watch this year are Wash-NYI and Chi-Stl, the latter because I'm in the wrong time zone!). We (in Canada) are basically swamped with coverage, and I wonder how many series/games are televised nationally or even locally in the US and how much precedence they take over, say, local news if the games go into double-OT. Email me so as not to waste bandwidth, please. My news feed is kind of slow anyways. l8tr " 3901,10,"From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) Subject: Murray as GM (was: Wings will win Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 37 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr19.204348.8254@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes... > >In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > >>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >>I have ever seen in hockey > >How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were >a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked >unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for >the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would >have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon >of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can I think Murray has done a great job. He's picked up Ciccarelli, Sheppard, Ysebaert, Howe, Coffey, and Riendeau (plus some depth players) without giving up anything the Wings needed or any of his top prospects. All of this in three years. Has anyone done better? The year before he took over, the Wings didn't even make the playoffs. There was about a year and a half during Demers' stint that the Wings did OK, but that was due to Demers' motavational skills and clutch and grab style. They didn't have much talent. Gerald, Murray wasn't responsible for Primeau (although I'm not ready to admit that's a horrible pick). They hired him after the draft (which has never made sense to me). His first pick was Lapointe. Ron ********** ""And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal with new problems."" ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93 " 3902,5,"From: phil@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca (Phil Nguyen) Subject: How to unsubscribe from mailing list Keywords: unsubscribe Nntp-Posting-Host: flex.eng.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Lines: 20 I try to unsubscribe from this group by sending an email but that doesn't work. Could some one tell me the listserv address and command for me to unsubcribe ? I am leaving this Friday (30th April 93) and the mail box will overflow soon after that. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------- Philip Nguyen Research Engineer Flexible Manufacturing Research and Development Centre (FMR&D) McMaster University 1280 Main St. West Hamilton, On L8S 4L7 Voice: (416) 529-7070 ext 2902 or 7343 Fax: (416) 572-7944 e-mail: phil@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 3903,1,"From: fsmarc@tristero.lerc.nasa.gov (Marc Cooper) Subject: Re: Marching Cubs Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tristero.lerc.nasa.gov Keywords: Cube,Program,C I saw this subject and all I could think of was a parade at Wrigley Field in Chicago. Or maybe it's just me. :) -- Marc Cooper - Graphics Programmer - Sverdrup Tech.| ""As a child, I WAS an fsmarc@lerc.nasa.gov | imaginary playmate."" NASA Lewis Research Center MS 5-11 | 21000 Brookpark Dr. | Tom Robbins Cleveland, OH 44135 (216) 433-8898 | Even Cowgirls Get the Blues ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: ""It's mine! All mine!"" -D. Duck " 3904,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Anti Freeze Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 36 Anti Freeze I was wrong, still had the issue of ""Street Rodder"" in my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there is an advirtisement for anti freeze. AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for developing overkill priducts the protect and extend the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars, it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff. Baker Precision Products Dept SRM 2865 Gundry Ave Long Beach Ca 90806 [213] 427-2375 I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 3905,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Rangers name Keenan coach Keywords: hockey, men's professional Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 65 clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes in clari.sports.hockey: > NEW YORK (UPI) -- Mike Keenan, whose NHL coaching history >has been to wear out his welcome despite an impressive penchant for >winning, has come to the city that embraces victors above all else. Well, I could become a fan ... (-; Seriously, this news coming since Thursday has effectively robbed the Islanders and the Devils of any airtime on sports talk shows almost everywhere that I've sampled ... in fact, the playoffs almost don't exist now. )-; Ranger fans calling in to WFAN or to New York One's midnight sports talk were in a mix of fury over this season and near- orgasm over Keenan's hiring. (Summarizing: Keenan is a winner and will give the Broadway Bums 'da business' in pursuing the next Cup chase ...) > The Chicago Blackhawks cut their last tie with Keenan when >he was forced out as general manager in November. He had given up >Chicago's coaching duties a year ago and his thirst for the power >of a GM now increases the pressure on beleaguered Rangers GM Neil >Smith. This will be an interesting combination to watch ... Keenan has been paid enough money to put up and shut up and just be a coach, but his advice on any player moves will be listened to closely. A lot of big player moves will happen --- remember that Keenan got rid of Denis Savard. The country club days are over ... > ``When Keenan left Chicago I couldn't help but think about >him as our coach,'' Smith said. ``There was an indication he would >be taken off the market. I feared that and couldn't let that happen.'' If Paramount had given Smith an earlier sign of support and offered Keenan the big money to put-up-and-shut-up back in January, the Rangers might not be heading for golf now ... > Keenan, 43, takes on a demoralized team that offers him a >chance to fashion yet another of his reclamation projects -- at the >highest salary ever commanded by an NHL coach. The Rangers -- owned >by Gulf & Western -- have bestowed upon Keenan an unprecedented $3 >million, four-year deal, > ``I've known Mike a long time,'' Messier said. ``We've won two >Canada Cups together. He's been to the finals three times. Maybe we >miss just one more element to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think he's >the same person he was 10 years ago or even five years ago. I think he >has changed and bettered himself with experience.'' One of Keenan's first statements was a reaffirmation that Mark Messier will be the team's captain. > The timing of the move gives the Rangers' new coach 2 1-2 >months to prepare for the NHL draft (June 26), and Neil Smith may >not back off the their trade-happy pattern. By then, Smith might have some bargains on Keenan's advice ... like maybe unloading Phil Bourque for Tie Domi ... (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 3906,10,"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 22 In article <1qk0k4$itg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) writes: >Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little >easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of >each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >brian > Don't be so sure, the Blues played the Hawks pretty well this season, and won twice at the Stadium. The Blues will give the Hawks a hard time. This series is one of the best first round matchups, could go either way. The Hawks will probably prevail in seven games. %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % % \ ________/ * * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % % \ \ Contact for the Blues * * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % % (___) BLUES * *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% " 3907,2,"Subject: Bungee After Dark module uploaded From: ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett) Organization: Spandex Admirers Intl. Lines: 17 Hey folks! Just moments ago, I uploaded the Bungee Jumper After Dark module that was widely talked about on here some time ago. It's at ftp.cica.indiana.edu, in /pub/pc/win3/uploads, titled simply bungee.zip. Be sure to set your ftp connection to binary mode before downloading. If you have any other After Dark shareware/freeware modules, please upload them too. The more the merrier. Andrew -- Andrew Bennett ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu What planet are you from? " 3908,1,"From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 17 Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of : doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading : this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 : different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts : a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum : for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? : Just curious. : : : Daemon : Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup. Phil Martin. " 3909,3,"From: gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu (G. Wayne Nichols) Subject: Help! Ten beeps with 386/40 (AMI BIOS) Summary: What error is signalled by 10 beeps at power-up? Keywords: 386/40 AMI 10 beeps Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu I have a 386/40 motherboard with AMI BIOS. I haven't located the little motherboard manual yet, and suddenly it's giving me 10 beeps when I turn the power on. It was working fine this morning, then gave all kinds of problems, in Windows and outside it. After multiple reboots, now it only gives 10 beeps and sits there? Anybody know what 10 beeps means? Thanks. " 3910,7,"From: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme) Subject: used Taurus SHO purchase Article-I.D.: datadim.274.332.uupcb Reply-To: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme) Distribution: world Organization: The Data Dimension PCBoard - Norcross, GA - 404-921-1186 Lines: 31 Quoting Jeffrey J. Nucciarone's (nucci@microwave.gsfc.nasa.gov) article of 04-06-93, in pertinent part: JJ> I am considering buying a used '90 Taurus SHO. The car in JJ> question has 37k miles. I took it for a test drive the other day JJ> and a few questions came up. JJ> JJ> . . . JJ> Second, is there anything I should specifically look for in an JJ> SHO of this vintage? Anything I should specifically ask abt? JJ> (Brakes, cluthch, etc.) I noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen JJ> point seemed a little high; since all my other cars are auto-tragics JJ> I'm not sure abt this point. I had my foot firmly planted on the JJ> brake when I started it up. There was a bit of a pop in the pedal JJ> soon after the engine started. This also occured on a few T-bird SC' JJ> I test drove. Was this the ABS self test? Brake rotors and the clutch are the main things. There has been a clutch replacement program; you might check to see if the car is still eligible, as it is a change well worth making. You can also swap the cruddy cable shifter for the newer rod shifter, also a change worth making, but that'll cost you some $$. My brakes usually do one wibble-wobble on startup, so that is probably normal. Didn't know they had a self-test, that's interesting. What kind of tires does the car have on it? --- * WinQwk 2.0b#131 * For a good time dial 7000 on your SHO. * " 3911,7,"From: mad9a@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Michael A. Davis) Subject: Slick 50, any good? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 9 Chances are that this has been discussed to death already, and if so could someone who has kept the discussion mail me or direct me to an archive site. Basically, I am just wondering if Slick 50 really does all it says that it does. And also, is there any data to support the claim. Thanks for any info. Mike Davis mad9a@fermi.clas.virginia.edu " 3912,15,"From: scott@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Scott Shalkowski) Subject: Re: Doing the work of God??!!) Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 31 Desiree Bradley (Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: <. . .. : The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites : take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except : for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about : Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that : the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered : me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I : shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in : Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. : Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians : who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing : God's work? Perhaps it would be useful to ask whether those doing the ethnic cleansing could be said to be loving those they are killing in the very act of killing. Does it reflect the attitude of God, who sends rain to both the just and the unjust? If not, then Christians should be uncomfortable with it. Jesus gave his followers the law of love to follow and it is by exhibiting this that disciples will be known. Doctrinal (or political) correctness is not the standard, so I don't see why Christians should be moved against the Serbs because their ancestors converted from Christianity to Islam. It seems to me that as a Christian you _should_ be troubled by the ethnic cleansing. -- Peace, Scott Shalkowski scott@arts.uwa.edu.au " 3913,15,"From: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: St. Maria Goretti Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 125 Heres the life of St. MAria Goretti, posted with kind permission of the editor of the Australian Catholic Magazine ""Morning Star"". Hope you like it. Put up with anything to prevent sin St. Maria Goretti Maria was born on October 16th 1890 to Luigi and Assunta Goretti, the eldest daughter in the family of seven. She was a cheerful girl, always imitating her parents. She had but one disire, but one wish: to receive our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. The date was finally set for little Maria to receive our Lord on the feast of Corpus Christi. For Maria, time seemed like an eter- nity as she slowly neared the great day. When it finally arrived, Fr. Jerome( the priest who was to celebrate the Mass and give the children their First Holy Communion) delivered a sermon on the immense love of Jesus Christ for them and the great love we should have in return for Him. He then warmly urged them to die rather than commit a mortal sin. Maria humbly approached the Altar of God and received the Holy Eucharist. Her only sadness was the thought of her father's absence, who died some time beforehand. As for the rest of the day, Maria remained under the spell of the divine visit; that is until -4- her thoughts changed to when she could go next to Holy Communion. Thus ended the happiest day of Maria's life. Over the next twelve months, Maria had changed from a giggling little girl into a quiet young lady with responsibilities. As her mother went out into the fields in place of her husband, Maria took on the ironing, cooking, washing and other motherly duties. She was doing this not only for her own family, but also for the Serenellis, a father and son who lived with the Goretti's, owning a share in the farm. Although Maria was poorer than all the other children, she by far surpassed them in virtue. In all thi ngs she did the Holy Will of God. During the month of June, Alessandro Serenelli(the son) twice made advances upon Maria when he chanced to be alone with her. On both occasions Maria managed to struggle free of Alessandro's strong grip, but on the second, he threatened to kill her if she even uttered a word to her mother. From this day on, Maria lived in terror, fearing lest Alessandro attack again. On July 5th 1902, Alessandro left work in the fields to ""get a handkerchief,"" as he claimed. He went to the storeroom beneath the house where Maria, who was outside on the landing with the baby, could hear him fumbling about in with tools. She wondered what he was doing. It was later learned that he was sharpening a 91/2"" blade. He went to the house and called for Maria. She told him she wouldn't go to him unless she knew why she was needed. He stormed out to the landing and dragged her up to her room. Mar ia instantly realized what he was up to. ""No, No, No! Do not touch me! It is a sin, you will go to Hell!"" At this point Alessandro held the knife over Maria's chest, who was now on the floor. ""Will you or will you not?"" Maria gathered all her energy. ""No I will not, Alessandro, no!"" She had chosen her martyrdom over sin, God over Satan. Overcome with rage, Alessandro plunged the knife into Maria's breast fourteen times. Finally he came to his senses and thought Maria was dead. Frantically he threw the knife behind a closet and locked himself in his room. The crying of the baby Teresa on the landing brought the attention to Assunta and the father of Alessandro. As the baby was unattended and was in danger of falling off, they ran to the house to find Maria, who, covered in blood, was dragging herself to the door. When asked what happened she said Alessandro stabbed her. ""He wanted to make me do wrong and I would not."" The ambulance arrived, then the police who took Alessandro away. As the ambulance carried Maria to the hospital, a large crowd followed on foot. The doctors at the hospital held no hope for poor little Maria. The same Fr. Jerome who gave Maria her First Communion -5- came to administer the last rites and to give her Holy Viaticum. He asked Maria if she would forgive her murderer. ""Yes. For the love of Jesus I forgive him. I wish for him to one day join me in Paradise. May God forgive him, for I alread y have."" Maria died at about three o'clock. Alessandro was tried and found guilty of Maria's death but because of his age he was sentenced to only thirty years in prison. After eight years of being a violent prisoner and show- ing no regret for his crime, he saw in a dream, in the midst of a field of flowers, Maria holding out a bunch of white lilies to him. Soon later he wrote to the local bishop, begging God's par- don for the grave sin he had committed. He later gave testimony in Maria's beatification in 1947. Less than three years later, on Ju ne 24th 1950, Maria was canonised. Assunta Goretti was the first mother ever to be present at her daughter's canonisation. May St. Maria Goretti help us to be pure and grant us the strength to die rather than commit a mortal sin. Saint Maria Goretti, pray for us. by Brendan Arthur -- Internet: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au Viva Cristo Rey !! Long Live Christ the King. " 3914,2,"From: leono@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Leon Olszewski ) Subject: DDE frustrations - Can you help? Summary: Need help to get DDE to work Keywords: DDE Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 I am starting to work on a project using DDE to transfer data. The application came with an Excel macro which can transfer the data. I need to 'port' it to 1-2-3W. 1-2-3W uses a very different setup for DDE macros. Does anyone have any suggestions as to good references? I have downloaded ""WW01117: Windows Dynamic Exchange (DDE)"" [the MS Application Note]. Any books worth getting? The specifics are: Server application: Dionex AI-450 Chromatography Data System Client application: 1-2-3 for Windows V1.1 Except for the macro, Dionex did not provide any documentation for DDE. Also, I am having problems because I am trying to develop the application on my PC, but to actually get data, you need to be connect to the instrument. Any help here would be appreciated, too. Thanks, -- Leon M. Olszewski | Nothing is worse than having an itch you can Internet: leono@uiuc.edu | never scratch. Leon - Bladerunner " 3915,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 17 In article <16BB112525.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >I assume that you say here a religious law is for the followers of the >religion. That begs the question why the religion has the right to define >who is a follower even when the offenders disagree. No, I say religious law applies to those who are categorized as belonging to the religion when event being judged applies. This prevents situations in which someone is a member of a religion who, when charged, claims that he/she was _not_ a member of the religion so they are free to go on as if nothing had happened. Gregg " 3916,6,"From: sidak_ok@lrc.edu Subject: Box of chemicals for sale Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC Lines: 7 I'm selling $388 worth of chemicals for $100 or I'll split it in two for $50 dollars apeice. Aprox. 380 1oz bottles. Will make a great chem set. Will pay shipping up to $15. If really interested I will mail a partial list. Please contact by e-mail only Omar " 3917,8,"From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr09.182821.28779@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) wrote: > > You could file a complaint for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle, > and sign it. Be willing to show up in court if it comes to it. No... you can do this? Really? The other morning I went to do a lane change on the freeway and looked in my mirror, theer was a car there, but far enough behind. I looked again about 3-5 seconds later, car still in same position, i.e. not accelerating. I triple check with a head turn and decide I have plenty of room, so I do it, accelerating. I travel about 1/4 mile staying ~200 feet off teh bumper of the car ahead, and I do a casual mirror check. This guy is RIGHT on my tail, I mean you couldn't stick a hair between my tire & his fender. I keep looking in the mirror at him a,d slowly let off teh throttle. He stays there until I had lost about 15mph and then comes around me and cuts me off big time. I follow him for about 10 miles and finally get bored and turn back into work. I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have something done? How? Who? Where? jim * Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com Jim Bob & Sons * * 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 | .signature remodling * * 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | Low price$ Quality workman- * * DoD #469 KotP(un) | ship * Call today for free estimit " 3918,3,"From: murthy@aslslc120.asl.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) Subject: PCs from Gateway - opinions sought Nntp-Posting-Host: aslslc120 Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas Distribution: usa Lines: 25 Sorry if this has been beaten to death on this forum. I am looking seriously at buying a 486 DX / 33 from Gateway. I will probably buy it without a monitor, as I've heard negative stuff about Gateway monitors. I've also heard its tough to get through to technical support. I'm seeking opinions on whether or not its wise to go ahead based on criteria such as price, warranty service, general ruggedness of the system, reliability of the machine and of Gateway too, and so on. Please advise!! Thanks in advance! Vasudev Murthy -- Vasudev Murthy Any opinions expressed are strictly murthy@asl.dl.nec.com my own and have nothing to do with (214) 518-3602 Advanced Switching Lab, NEC America, Inc. 1525 Walnut Hill Lane Irving TX 75038 " 3919,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Rodney King Trial, Civil Rights Violations, Double Jeopardy Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 37 In <1993Apr2.182942.22445@husc3.harvard.edu> spanagel@husc11.harvard.edu (David Spanagel) writes: |Recently it's occured to me that I've never heard of any PERSON ever being |tried in Federal Court for violating someone's civil rights. Of course |there have been cases before the Supreme Court in which it was decided |that someone's civil rights had been violated (e.g., Miranda, Escobedo, |etc.), but institutions were, de facto, the defendants, not individuals. Am I |mistaken? Have there been similar cases against individuals in the past? I know it was used several times in the south, to prosecute the murders of blacks, after all white juries had cleared the accussed. |Furthermore, what are the specific charges against the four LAPD officers? |Which civil rights or laws are they accused of violating? I believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned. |What about double jeopardy? Has there been any concern that a verdict |against Koon, et al. might be overturned upon appeal because they're being tried |again for the same actions? (I thought I heard something on the news about |this.) The SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in essence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply. (If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and county governments?) This mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its opposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their opposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope for the ACLU after all. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 3920,12,"From: Mike Diack Subject: Husky Programmer bits req'd X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 04:10:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-90.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 5 Help !! - I'm looking for a ISA driver card and driver software for a Logical Devices Husky programmer (It aint mush good without these) can anyone help with either of these items ? cheers Mike. " 3921,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Article-I.D.: rwing.2087 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 52 In article <19APR199313020883@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov> paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes: >In article <1qnav4$r3l@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes... >>In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: >> >>>Further, the Attorney General >> > [ ... good post describing what is in store for us deleted ... ] > >It's also interesting to note that two months ago Rush Limbaugh said that >Clinton would have the ""plumbers"" out in force shortly. Clinton and his >henchmen firmly believe in strong ubiquitous government control. Anytime a >leader believes in that, the leader will use every means possible to retain >that control and take more. > >WE have to take OUR government back. Otherwise we will end up living in the >equivalent of a high-tech third world dictatorship. We have to take >responsibility for ourselves, our personal welfare, and our actions. I totally agree. But how do you propose we take government back? They obviously don't listen to the people or want the people to know who is responsibile for what (a person telnetted the site of the Clipper chip release, to see what the entity 'clipper' was, and got a few lists. BUt when another person tried a bit later, the commands were disabled) Does not sound like an Administration that wants to have any accountability or information they don't control given to the people. The secret development and implimentation of the Clipper Chip decision further backs that up. You can bet unaurhorized encryption methods and software will be considered 'terrorist tools' and also subject to civil forfeiture, along with the systems that are running it. YOU WATCH, SEE IF I AM WRONG. The government is not going to be very cooperative about the people taking it back. And they have all the resources, unlimited access to the media for propeganda, and almost all the guns (soon to be ALL the guns if Clinton's agenda succeeds)... Those that do not play ball? Waco might be a good example of what to expect... The warrant (just released) stated the reason for the raid was the BDs spent a very large sum for weapons, over an undetermined amount of time. I don't recall spending a lot of money on guns, etc being illegal ... yet, that is. Clinton might go down in history as the worst thing to ever happen to the US of A. ... Now to be known as the 'Peoples Socalist Democratic Republic of America' (PSDRA). Big Brother is LISTENING!!! Hail Big Brother... (and Sister...?) only ten years late!!! -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 3922,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Distribution: na Lines: 14 res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: > >Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent >to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? It would be in a different location, so a directional antenna could probably lock in on just the one monitor. Failing that, a phased array could likely seperate the signals. Admittedly, this is expensive, but so is all the rest of this stuff anyway. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 3923,8,"From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Request for opinions: Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 1-pc is better protection,..."" Thanks in advance, Nadine " 3924,9,"From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) Subject: proposed catcher re-sub rule Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973 Lines: 19 A lot of teams carry 3 catchers on their 25 man roster, but the 3rd catcher is seldom ever used. He is only insurance in case of extra innings or the 2nd catcher is injured during a game. So to free up this roster spot for an extra pinch hitter or reliever, why not invoke a catcher re-substitution rule: If the last roster catcher on a team is injured during a game, the team is permitted to substitute in his place for defensive purposes a catcher who has previously been yanked from the game. Given this rule, a team wouldn't need 3 roster catchers. The 3rd catcher could be playing in AAA or be a non-roster bullpen catcher. Ken " 3925,10,"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL Calder Cup Playoff schedule and results Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 61 Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS home team in CAPS *=if necesary ============================================= FIRST ROUND Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2 Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4 Gm 3: 4/16 Providence at Springfield CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings Gm 1: Last night, CDI at Adirondack Gm 2: 4/17 CDI at Adirondack Gm 3: 4/18 Adirondack at CDI Gm 4: 4/21 Adirondack at CDI Gm 5: 4/23 CDI at Adirondack * Gm 6: 4/24 Adirondack at CDI * Gm 7: 4/26 CDI at Adirondack * Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers Gm 1: 4/16 Baltimore at Binghamton Gm 2: 4/17 Baltimore at Binghamton Gm 3: 4/23 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton * Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore * Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton * Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans Gm 1: 4/16 Utica at Rochester Gm 2: 4/17 Utica at Rochester Gm 3: 4/20 Rochester at Utica Gm 4: 4/22 Rochester at Utica Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester * Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica * Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester * Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs Gm 1: St John's 4 Moncton 2 Gm 2: 4/17 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax Gm 3: 4/21 St John's at Moncton Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens Gm 1: Fredericton 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT) Gm 2: 4/16 Cape Breton at Fredericton Unfortunately the newspaper didnt list complete playoff skeds for series that already began. Also, the paper has not listed final standings so their posting might be delayed until early next week (Hockey News). ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 3926,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 18 dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally. There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to admissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from time to time be simple fishing expeditions. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 3927,4,"From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Lines: 34 Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes: >In article <1qm2hvINNseq@shelley.u.washington.edu>, >tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) wrote: >> >> > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have >> > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating >> > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption >> > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. >> > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault... >That's fine, but would you name the ""industy experts"" so I can try to track >this down? Who knows... I just quoted what was ""written"" in SCSI Director... >> This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the >> Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the >> chip. >Yup. That's why I'm kinda curious... most SCSI problems I've encountered >are due to cabling. I've tried calling Transoft Corp about this and have either gotten the response ""Huh?"" to ""Yep"" to ""Nah""... You would expect that a damaging state- ment like this would have _some_ ""data"" to back it up... Anyone want Transoft's phone number? -- Jim Jagielski | ""And he's gonna stiff me. So I say, jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something, NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"" Greenbelt, MD 20771 | " 3928,7,"Subject: insurance question From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 18 I'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it. Since I paid cash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about whether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because of a bank loan. I just put the amount that I wanted (not what a bank would have wanted). Friends are telling me that banks require some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it is collateral on loans. Is this true? Can that insurance be gotten as part of my other insurance? I assume I don't have to pay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance. Am I correct? I hear about accident/health type insurance at the dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers for them. I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy these at all. Or any other types of extras. What do I have to pay for? Car, tax, license. Anything else? Ellen " 3929,9,"From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) Subject: RBI, RISP, and SLG Organization: Bill's Safety Cab and Record Bar, Chickasha, OK Lines: 49 Off and on over the last several months, threads about RBIs and related topics have gotten me to thinking about how well we can predict a player's RBIs using information about his overall performance and the number of runners in scoring position (RISP) that he bats with. In the Brock2 model, Bill James calculated predicted RBIs as RBI=.235*(Total Bases) + Home Runs. This completely ignores the context, which was all that Brock2 could do, since context was unknown to it. So I thought I'd take that idea as a starting point and look how good a fit to the data you get by comparing (RBI-Home Runs) to SLG*RISP. I've started with team data, using data from the Elias's that I've picked up over the years when a) I could afford them and b) I could stomach the thought of increasing Elias's profits. That gave me the years 1984-1986, 1988, and 1990. (I don't have team RBIs for '87 or I could add that year.) If you run a simple least squares fit to the data you get (RBI-Home Runs) = 0.81*SLG*RISP. The correlation between the LHS and the RHS is 0.86, which is significant at a ridiculously high level. So, I feel like the fit is good at the team level. I've no started to move on to the player level and have looked at 4 players (Will Clark, Ozzie Smith, Joe Carter, and Don Mattingly). I hope to add quite a few more during my copious free time this year. It doesn't do too badly, except the equation underpredicts the low HR hitter (Smith), which may be a fault of the model or it could just be Ozzie. The results: RBI-HR Years Actual Predicted Carter (84-88,90) 400 402.6 Clark (87,88,90,92) 269 269.6 Matt'ly (84-88,90) 471 460.8 Smith (84-88,90) 317 280.6 I think we can make a case (and I hope to make it stronger) that RBIs can be predicted simply from knowing how a player slugs overall and how many men are in scoring position when he comes up. More later, Harold -- Harold Brooks hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK) ""I used to work for a brewery, too, but I didn't drink on the job."" -P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93 " 3930,10,"From: ""James J. Murawski"" Subject: Re: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 19, 1993 Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: On 20-Apr-93 in Don Cherry - Coach's Corner.. user Allan Sullivan@cs.UAlber writes: >Next, a clip was shown from an earlier episode, in which Don was >proclaiming Doug Gilmour to be the best player, not only in >the NHL, but in the world. What about players like Lemieux? >Don said that Gilmour was the best PLAYER, not ""Designated point getter"". >Its not like baseball, where you have a ""designatted hitter"" who >can score runs but can't play defense. Gilmour is a good two way player. This clip was shown on local news in Pittsburgh last night (KDKA), complete with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster. It's the second time Cherry has been shown on local Pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks. Both times he was blasting Lemieux. ==================================================================== Jim Murawski Sr. Software Engineer (412) 268-2650 [office] Administrative Computing and (412) 268-6868 [fax] Information Services jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Office: UCC 155 4910 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 ""Le Mieux! Le Magnifique! Soixante Six! Claude...NON!"" There are 1371 days until Clinton (Clinocchio) leaves office (1370 too many). " 3931,1,"From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: rs43873.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr19.121925.14451@microware.com>, jejones@microware.com (James Jones) writes: |> In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains writes: |> >In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez |> >Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: |> >> And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is |> >>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something |> >>like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. |> > |> >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, |> >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the |> >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D |> |> Don't get too excited; Signetics, not Motorola, gave the 68070 its number. |> The 68070, if I understand rightly, uses the 68000 instruction set, and has |> an on-chip serial port and DMA. (It will run at up to 15 MHz--I'm typing |> at a computer using a 68070 running at that rate, so I know that it can |> do so--so I seriously doubt the clock rate that ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com |> claims.) |> |> James Jones Just because the 68070 can run upto 15Mhz doesn't mean the CD-I is running at that speed. I said -> I understand it is a 68070 running at something like 7Mhz. I am not sure, but I think I read this a long time ago. Anyway, still with 15Mhz, you need sprites for a lot of tricks for making cool awesome games (read psygnosis). -------------------------------------- Raist New A1200 owner 320<->1280 in x, 200<->600 in y in 256,000+ colors from a 24-bit palette. **I LOVE IT!**<- New Low Fat .sig *don't e-mail me* -> I don't have a valid address nor can I send e-mail " 3932,4,"From: Ravi Konchigeri Subject: Re: LCIII problems X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 02:11:55 GMT Organization: Stanford University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 24 In article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: > Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a >vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position, it can >not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical position. >I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from now, but >why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem, please I think the other replies sum up the fact that you can place a hard drive on its side. The point is this will only be sure to work on the 'new' drives, namely 1/3 ht LPS drives that have a smaller platter and are also more stable. Why should I take the chance? Because I've been running a Maxtor 1/3 ht 120 LPS on both its side and flat for about a year and I've had no problems with it. Period. Like I always say, NEVER trust the manufacturer. ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."" Ravi Konchigeri. mongoose@leland.stanford.edu " 3933,3,"From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: pc-junior usable? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr17.201300.19312@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) writes: >My fiance has a pc-junior and wants to upgrade to a full 386. Does anyone >know if we could use the monitor it came with on a new machine? I heard >it's MCGA or EGA, but not sure which. Also, does it use cards, so we can >use the drive controller, floppy, etc? The only things you'll be able to salvage from the junior are the floppy drives and monitor. The floppies are 360k, and the monitor is CGA, but you will need an adaptor cable to use it. The junior does not use standard cards. Unless you're really strapped for cash, you should just junk the thing and buy new stuff. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ " 3934,9,"From: jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: New Uniforms Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 10 While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing money to be made in sales of new merchandise. Jeffrey Popovich jpopovich@guvax.georgetown.edu " 3935,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15218 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 25 In article , radagast@honour.welly.gen.nz (Radagast) writes: > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # # Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom. # # They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # # rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # # or beliefs of the other person. # # Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:44:18 GMT Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc. For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so). I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits. Any suggestions? -- Andrew C. Payne DEC Cambridge Research Lab --- . R110B:Wnet HAL_9000 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 3937,2,"From: davidgl@microsoft.com (David Glenn) Subject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? Article-I.D.: microsof.1993Apr06.023730.5094 Distribution: usa Organization: Microsoft Corp. Lines: 54 In article rjn@teal.csn.org wrote: > csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) writes: > > : I've just bought a PC which came with a bundle of Lotus stuff, including > : Adobe Type Manager version 1.15. As a newcomer to Windows, I'm > : confused about which I should be using, ATM or Truetype. > > If you are going to stay with ATM, be sure to upgrade to 2.5, which > replaces 2.0. Who knows how old 1.15 is. 2.5 is as fast as TT, and if > you disable the small screen fonts, ATM does better screen rendering at > the smaller point sizes. Not true! Both Type 1 and TT fonts can be of excellent quality and poor quality at any size. It all depends on the font's maker and the complexity of the glyphs related to the size and resolution at which they are viewed. Probably the reason for your opinion/experience that TT is inferior is because most TT fonts on the market today have been converted from Type 1 outlines to TT either by the font vendor or end-users using Fontographer or FontMonger instead of the TT fonts being hand-hinted to take advantage of the TT hinting language. At best these converted TT fonts will be on a par with the Type 1 font of its orgin. TrueType is a much richer and more robust hinting language than Type 1 (the hinting of diagonals for instance, which TT does and Type 1 cannot). If you check out the Windows 3.1 core fonts (Times, Arial, Courier, Symbol, Wingdings) you'll see what can be done with TT. There are other fonts out there that have been hand-hinted and not just converted. Some of the Microsoft TT Font Pack 2 fonts are hinted very well. > You can use both TT and ATM fonts at the same time, if you like. > ATM (Type 1) fonts tend to be of higher quality > and be more complete in terms of foreign characters. Again, not true. The characters in a TT or Type 1 font depend on the maker. If someone converts a Type 1 font to TT they'll only get the characters in the font of orgin. TT allows for much more flexibility in this area as well. You can have thousands of glyphs in a TT font file (Mac/PS/Windows/Unicode char set) and use the characters appropriate for the particular platform you are running the font on. For instance, all or our fontpack 2 TT fonts have the Mac/Windows char set in them. The metrics of the fonts are such that if the font is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac char set. > Regards, 1001-A East Harmony Road > Bob Niland Suite 503 > Internet: rjn@csn.org Fort Collins CO 80525 > CompuServe: 71044,2124 (303) 223-5209 Hope this clears up some of the confusion. Feel free to contact me if anyone would like more info. Regards, Dave Glenn Program Manager, Microsoft TT font stuff davidgl@microsoft.com compuserve: 72420,1067 " 3938,5,"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: DEC pixmap size Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article 1964@igd.fhg.de, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes: >If I try to create a pixmap larger than the size of my screen the program >will terminate displaying the message: > >X Error: BadAlloc - insufficient resources Many X servers supporting graphics accelerators do not allow the creation of pixmaps exeeding the size of the screen. One workaround is to create several smaller pixmaps and add the results. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com " 3939,7,"From: dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: Allen-Bradley Co. Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: tinman.mke.ab.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 : nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes: : : > : > HELP!!! : > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. : jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: : : FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they : thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the : Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor. : : The one down-side I see with the car is its interior, it looks : inexpensive and dull. : I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior. I really looks snazzy when the top is off. I looks a lot better in person than on the television. (I saw that Motorweek as well. Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it was over ...) :*) Watch out for that darned ""convertible tan"" tho... Diane dspalme@mke.ab.comm " 3940,6,"From: vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vladimir Sloutsky) Subject: Apartment for Rent in Russia Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Apartment for rent in downtown Moscow!!! 2- room furnished apartment in a very nice location. 5 minutes walk to Belorusskaya subway station. Walking distance to Kremlin, major shopping centers, theaters, restaurants, and government buildings. Available in early June. Please, call: (614)-459-4256 or send E-mail: vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 3941,5,"From: maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (552) Subject: Wanted: critiques on multi-windowing system toolkits Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.gsfc.nasa.gov Any pointers to articles, or personal opinions, critiquing user interface toolkits that operate across many windowing systems (e.g., X, MS Windows, Macintosh) - you know, Open Interface, XVT, Aspect ... If you reply with your opinion, please BRIEFLY state your choice and a short discussion why. Steve Maher maher@outland.gsfc.nasa.gov -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Maher (301) 286-5666 (voice) Flight Dynamics Division maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center " 3942,3,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Help adding a SCSI Drive Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 35 I have a 486sx25 computer with a 105 Mg Seagate IDE drive and a controler built into the motherboard. I want to add a SCSI drive (a quantum prodrive 425F 425 MG formatted). I have no documentation at all and I need your help! As I understand it, here is the process of adding such a drive. Could you please tell me if I'm right.. 1- Buy a SCSI contoler. Which one? I know Adaptec is good, but they are kind of expensive. Are there any good boards in the $100 region? I want it to be compatible with OS2 and Unix if possible. Also, I have seen on the net that there are SCSI and SCSI2 drives. Is this true? Does the adapter need to be the same as the drive? What type of drive is the quantum? 2- connect the drive to the adapter via a SCSI cable and the power cable. Do i have to worry about the power supply? I think I have 200 watts and all I'm powering are two floppies and the seagate drive. 3- Setup the BIOS to recognize the drive as the second drive. What type of drive is this? I don't have the numbers for this drive. 4- Format and create partitions on the drive. Do I use format or fdisk? I think that IDE drives can't be low-level formatted. Is it the same with SCSI? How exactly does fdisk work? I have a reduced msdos 5.0 manual (clone obliges) and there is no mention of fdisk. Ideally, I would want the drive partitioned in to two partitions D: and E: how do I do this? Well that seems to be all. Is there anythiing I'm forgetting? Any help is *really* appreciated, I'm lost... -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com " 3943,5,"From: bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Bond University, AUSTRALIA Lines: 52 berry@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (Andrew Berry) writes: >My impression is that most people use Motif because their OS vendor >supplies it with X (SunOS users excluded), and because it is similar in >""look and feel"" to MS-Windows and OS/2 PM. Personally, I also prefer >the ""look and feel"" of Motif (no flames please -- just an opinion). Seeing as Motif has been adopted by Sun, IBM, HP +++ (can't remeber the other members in the recent announcement), I'm sure you'll see it on virtually every workstation (ie. Sun, IBM, HP and DEC must make up the **VAST** majority of all hardware). >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups pertaining to Motif has been high. >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using >the Motif widget sets). I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. Side Note : --------- All the X based code I am writing (and will distribute freely when completed) is based on Motif because from a programmatic and also ""look and feel"" point of view I like it the best (no flames on this one please). bambi ___ David J. Hughes bambi@bu.oz.au / \ / / / / __/ __ __ ____/ / / __ Senior Network Programmer / \ / \ / \ / / / / / \ / Comms Development & Operation \____/ \__// / \__/ \___/ / / / AUSTRALIA (+61 75 951450) " 3944,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ???? Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: >How about an VLB ethernet card? Move the data into the card at >130 odd MB/s and then wait for it to tickle onto the net at >just over 1Mb/s. How about 250MB/s for 64-bit VLB or 350MB/s for QuickRing {Apple's implimentation of VLB (Byte 10/92:132)} QuickRing is interesting in that it allows interleaving with other card so that the 350MB/s can be divided among many cards at the same time {NuBus 90 and MCA are about the only card interfaces able to DO anything with that kind of speed and even NuBus 90 ditzes around at ~30MB/s with a burst mode: 80MB/s. ""MCA {Also called Micro Channel} IBM's 16 and 32-bit bus; ""allows use of more than one CPU in a computer"" (DCT) and anything can talk to anything, >>as fast as the two components involved can handle it.<< Never took off because it was incompatible with ISA and EISA. Planned to be bus interface of IBM PowerPC 601 (Carl Jabido). IDA can't handle VLB speed never mind QuickRings's speed so it is out. EISA pokes along at NuBus Mac II speeds {~15MB/s burst mode: 33MB/s} so VLB and QuickRing are slowed down by it. PCI is a competing interface that is still in development. " 3945,12,"From: philc@macs.ee.mcgill.ca (Phil Crawley) Subject: Read only if going to ISCAS93 in Chicago Keywords: Soccer, ISCAS93 Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: kirk.ee.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University - MACS Laboratory, Montreal, CANADA. This is message is only of interest to those going to International Symposium on Circuits and Systems that is being held in Chicago this May. I checking to see if there is any people out there who would be interested in getting together for a pickup game of soccer during the off hours of the conference. If so could you e-mail me at: philc@macs.ee.mcgill.ca I'll bring a ball. If you know someone who is going to the conference and you know that they are avid soccer players please pass on this message to them. Also if someone in Chicago is going to the conference please let me know if there is any field near the hotel where we can play. Thanks. Bye. Philip Crawley " 3946,12,From: gcarter@infoserv.com (George Carter) Subject: Re: Does someone know what is the news group for IEEE. Reply-To: gcarter@infoserv.com Distribution: usa Organization: SFBAC Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64) In <1993Apr19.192953.22874@usl.edu> yxy4145@ucs.usl.edu (Yu Yingbin) writes: > yxy4145@usl.edu Thanks a lot. ieee.general and ieee.announce are the most frequently used groups. 3947,6,"From: Peter Todd Chan Subject: Klipsch Forte 2 SPKRS 4 Sale Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers CONDITION: Mint AGE: 6 months old PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair) These speakers are in perfect condition and used only in audiophile system. They are floor standing and come with all the original packagaing and literature. They are also still under warranty. If you are interested or have any questions, please feel free to e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425 " 3948,5,"From: Iris_-_Smith@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) Organization: The Portal System (TM) <1993Apr21.111919.5281@alf.uib.no> Lines: 3 You can also set the Foreground to the XOR of the foreground and background colors: XSetForeground(..., fg ^ bg); This works great for me (at least with TrueColor visuals). " 3949,13,"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) Subject: Re: Emphysema question Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) Lines: 13 Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands already. Are there more than two? Melissa --- mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu ""After a time you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."" Spock to Stonn " 3950,7,"From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo Organization: TELXON Corporation Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr20.142818.14969@ericsson.se> etxmst@sta.ericsson.se writes: >Hello netters! > >I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy >Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days. >This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore). >They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that, > 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more >insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he >didn't rent it from Alamo. > >Does anyone have some info on this? > >Is $225 a rip-off? No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city. >Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. If you plan on paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card automatically covers rental cars. Also, your own auto insurance may cover rental cars also. Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it. The credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell. I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this same practice. >Is the beretta a good rental car? Yes. It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and acceleration-wise, but very adequate. It will have an automatic transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power windows and door locks. Joe -- Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com P.O. Box 5582 | ""Usenet is like Tetris for people who still Akron, OH 44334-0582 | remember how to read."" (216) 867-3700 x3522 | -- J. Heller " 3951,1,"From: lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi) Subject: Program Included: 2 Edge Detection Algorithms! Article-I.D.: acsu.C5JqM6.HLG Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Lines: 142 Nntp-Posting-Host: hadar.cs.buffalo.edu /* This program doesn't detect edges with compass operators and a laplacian operator. It should output 2 raw grey-scale images with edges. The output doesn't look like edges at all. In novicee terms, how do I correct the errors? Any improvements are welcome. (I'll even accept your corrected code.) (If I convolve the INPUT.IMAGE with a digital gaussian [7 by 7] to remove noise, will I get an improvement with the laplacian.) --------------------------2 types of edge detection-------------------------*/ #include #include #define IMAGEWIDTH 300 #define IMAGEHEIGHT 300 unsigned char Input_Image [IMAGEHEIGHT][IMAGEWIDTH]; unsigned char Angles_Wanted [IMAGEHEIGHT][IMAGEWIDTH]; unsigned char Magnitude_Image [IMAGEHEIGHT][IMAGEWIDTH]; int Laplace_Op1 [3][3] = { 0,-1, 0, -1,4,-1, 0,-1, 0}; int Compass_Op1 [3][3] = { 1, 1, 1, 0,0, 0, -1,-1,-1}; int Compass_Op2 [3][3] = { 1, 1, 0, 1,0,-1, 0,-1,-1}; int Compass_Op3 [3][3] = { 1, 0,-1, 1,0,-1, 1, 0,-1}; int Compass_Op4 [3][3] = { 0,-1,-1, 1,0,-1, 1, 1, 0}; int Compass_Op5 [3][3] = {-1,-1,-1, 0,0, 0, 1, 1, 1}; int Compass_Op6 [3][3] = {-1,-1, 0, -1,0, 1, 0, 1, 1}; int Compass_Op7 [3][3] = {-1, 0, 1, -1,0, 1, -1, 0, 1}; int Compass_Op8 [3][3] = { 0, 1, 1, -1,0, 1, -1,-1, 0}; void Compass (row,col) int row,col; { int value; int op_rows, op_cols; int Compass1,Compass2,Compass3,Compass4; int Compass5,Compass6,Compass7,Compass8; Compass1 = Compass2 = Compass3 = Compass4 = 0; Compass5 = Compass6 = Compass7 = Compass8 = 0; for (op_rows = -1; op_rows < 2; op_rows++) for (op_cols = -1; op_cols < 2; op_cols++) { if (((row + op_rows) >= 0) && ((col + op_cols) >= 0)) { Compass1 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op1 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass2 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op2 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass3 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op3 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass4 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op4 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass5 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op5 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass6 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op6 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass7 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op7 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; Compass8 += ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols]) * Compass_Op8 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1]; } } if (Compass1 < Compass2) value = Compass2; else value = Compass1; if (value < Compass3) value = Compass3; if (value < Compass4) value = Compass4; if (value < Compass5) value = Compass5; if (value < Compass6) value = Compass6; if (value < Compass7) value = Compass7; if (value < Compass8) value = Compass8; Magnitude_Image [row][col] = (char) value; } void Laplace1 (row,col) int row,col; { int op_rows, op_cols; Magnitude_Image [row][col] = 0; for (op_rows = -1; op_rows < 2; op_rows++) for (op_cols = -1; op_cols < 2; op_cols++) if (((row + op_rows) >= 0) && ((col + op_cols) >= 0)) Magnitude_Image [row][col] = (char) ((int)Magnitude_Image [row][col] + ((int) Input_Image [row + op_rows][col + op_cols] * Laplace_Op1 [op_rows + 1][op_cols + 1])); } main () { FILE *Original_Image_fp; FILE *Laplace1_mag_fp,*Laplace2_mag_fp,*Laplace3_mag_fp; FILE *Compass_mag_fp; int row, col, Algo_Count; Original_Image_fp = fopen (""INPUT.IMAGE"",""rb""); Laplace1_mag_fp = fopen (""Laplace1_Magnitude"",""wb""); Compass_mag_fp = fopen (""Compass_Magnitude"",""wb""); fread ((unsigned char *) Input_Image,sizeof(unsigned char),IMAGEHEIGHT * IMAGEWIDTH,Original_Image_fp); for (Algo_Count = 0; Algo_Count < 2;Algo_Count ++) { for (row = 0; row < IMAGEHEIGHT; row++) for (col = 0; col < IMAGEWIDTH; col++) if (!Algo_Count) Laplace1 (row,col); else Compass (row,col); if (!Algo_Count) fwrite(Magnitude_Image,sizeof(char),IMAGEHEIGHT * IMAGEWIDTH,Laplace1_mag_fp); else fwrite(Magnitude_Image,sizeof(char),IMAGEHEIGHT * IMAGEWIDTH,Compass_mag_fp); } } -- | .-, ###|For a lot of .au music: ftp sounds.sdsu.edu | / / __ , _ ###|then cat file.au > /dev/audio | \_>/ >_/ (_/\_/<>_ |UB library catalog:telnet bison.acsu.buffalo.edu |_ 14261 _|(When in doubt ask: xarchie, xgopher, or xwais.) " 3952,6,"From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: Forsale Sony D-22 discman Article-I.D.: phakt.1pqnsjINNlmd Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Sony D-22 portable Diskman forsale Good condition, flawless. Costomer AC adapter : 6v DC power supply ( tested 9v DC) * The factory adapter was tested 12v DC (AC 110v input) at the time I bought it three years ago. When using it, a lot of heat was generated inside the CD machine. Of course I wouldn't use it to risk this baby's life. Maybe that's why so many owners always complain about their portable machine going kaput after a short time usage. * 9v DC factory suggested LED display asking $ 55 plus shipping, contact Harry if interested " 3953,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Distribution: usa Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 12 In article marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes: >I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for >speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey >margin. They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. " 3954,15,"From: mike@nx39.mik.uky.edu (Mike Mattone) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 17 Regarding the moral question Jen (jenk@microsoft.com) asked: ""Is it okay to create a child if you aren't able to be a good parent?"", I am reminded of a ""speech"" by one of the characters (I can't remember which) in the movie ""Parenthood"". [I am WAY to liberal with my quotation marks tonight...] In this so-called (by me) speech, the character is expressing what a lousy father he had and he made an interesting point. He said something to the effect of: ""You have to have a license to drive a car. You have to have a license to own a dog. You even have to have a license to fish. But, they'll anyone have a kid."" [Keep in mind that I am, in NO way, trying to pass this off as a quote. It is probably GROSSLY distorted but I think you get the point...] -Mike Mattone " 3955,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 24 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: > Instead we have a deliberately brain-dead version of a cryptosystem > that has not even been peer reviewed. Yes, the NSA owns some smart > people. But if they pulled a FEAL, well, AT&T is going to be left with > a lot of dud phones on its hands. Agreed. Remember, I don't even think of Clipper as encryption in any real sense--if I did, I'd probably be a lot more annoyed about it. > Heh heh. The government already gave it up for us. Remember in the > announcement they described this scheme as balancing the two > extremes of having no privacy and claiming that citizens had a > Constitutional right to encryption? That's not for Clinton (or anyone under him) to say, though. Only the federal and supreme courts can say anything about the constitutionality. Anything the administration or any governmental agency says is opinion at best. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 3956,13,"From: sjha+@cs.cmu.edu (Somesh Jha) Subject: What is ""intersection syndrome"" near the forearm/wrist? Nntp-Posting-Host: gs73.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 17 Hi: I went to the orthopedist on Tuesday. He diagnosed me as having ""intersection syndrome"". He prescribed Feldene for me. I want to know more about the disease and the drug. Thanks Somesh " 3957,6,"From: michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com (Michael Quicquaro) Subject: For Sale: 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix SE Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 45 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tlaloc.sw.stratus.com For Sale: 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix SE White, White rims, Gray interior. 58K miles (mostly highway), 3.8 Litre V6 multi-port fuel-injected engine, 5 speed manual transmission. Options include: A/C, Rear defogger, Power steering, Power brakes, Power windows, Power locks, Power mirrors, Cruise control, Power glass moonroof with sunshade, Power seat/recliner (driver's), Power seat/comfort/lumbar/headrest (both), AM/FM cassette stero, Electronic monitor/service system with graphic compass, Stereo controls duplicated on steering wheel, Remote-keyless entry, and others. Asking $11,500. The car looks and rides like it just rolled off of the dealers lot. It has been garaged and pampered. It gets an average of 27.5 mpg highway, sometimes better; city is around 19-23 mpg, depending on how it is driven. Selling because of baby coming soon. Need 4-door family car. Will consider trade or partial trade with Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, or 4-door Pontiac Grand Am or similar American car. Contact: Mike at Home: (508) 881-6312 Work: (508) 490-6963, or michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com " 3958,3,"From: gt3635a@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg 'Spike' Bishop) Subject: HELP!!! My ESDI is posessed by demons! Distribution: usa Organization: National Association for the Free Exchange of Information Lines: 29 HELP! I really got ripped off and I need some help unripping myself. I bought a Maxtor 4380 300mb ESDI HDD from Hi-Tech for $300, then paid to get it repaired, for about another $300. Here's the deal: The thing works fine! It low level formats, etc without any bad spots at all! AND THEN... (Jaws Music) sectors start going bad! EEK!!! One at a time. Norton disk doctor keeps marking some U and some C. That FIXES it. For about 5 minutes. Then next day when I run NDD on it again: NO DICE more uncorrectable and correctable sectors. AHHHHHUUUURRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! So I fugure: ""Ok, NDD's just not being thurough enough, I'll use Spinrite, I heard that works well."" What happens? Spinrite goes and returns the clusters to active use!!! AHHHUUUURRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!! NDD undoes it of course. The problem seams to be getting worse and worse. HOWEVER when the HDD is low level formatted again the problem goes away for a while, only to return in a day or so. I'm so pissed off right now I'm considering buying another HDD, and I really can't afford it. I'm using SMARTDRIVE, and WINDOWS 3.1 (I'm not using the 32 bit disk access though, I know that can create problems). The disk is using the second option to trick the controller into thinking it's got less then 1024 cyls, and everything else selected is standard, maybe I need to use a different head skew or something? I don't know. ANYONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX THIS PROBLEM PLEASE TELL ME HOW!!!! HELP!!!! -- GT: ""Designing tommorow the night before with yesterday's technology."" " 3959,8,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: >Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? > >Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3960,15,"From: whheydt@pbhya.pacbell.com (Wilson Heydt) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA Lines: 21 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: > But, since the manuscripts are so close to the actual event, especially as > compared with ancient ""non-Christian"" history, could it help show that we have > accurate copies of the original texts? That's a very weak argument--due the lack (with regard to critical events) of independent supporting texts. As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT.... How would you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the only extant text was written about *now*? Now adjust for a largely illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is done by hand.... --Hal -- Hal Heydt | Analyst, Pacific*Bell | If you think the system is working, 510-823-5447 | Ask someone who's waiting for a prompt. whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM | " 3961,19,"From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org Subject: God's promise to the righteous Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Ps.92:12: ""The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."" Isa.57:1: ""The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."" " 3962,4,"From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>, I said: > I know that plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on is ""not > supported"", and you can hit problems if you have multiple devices with > clashing addresses, and all that. I've had a couple of e-mail responses from people who seem to believe that this sort of thing is not only unsupported, it is downright dangerous. I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on. SCSI, yes, ADB, no... Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889 Computer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066 University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26"" S, 175^ 19' 7"" E, GMT+12:00 " 3963,13,"From: naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter) Subject: Endometriosis Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX Lines: 15 can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names of a specialist/surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park area (raleigh/durham/chapel hill) who is familiar with the condition, i would really appreciate it. thanks. --Naomi -- Naomi L.T. Courter Network Services Specialist MCNC - Center for Communications CONCERT Network " 3964,1,"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: .GIF to .BMP Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Scott Zabolotzky (saz@hook.corp.mot.com) wrote: : I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question. If not, : please forgive me and point me in the right direction. : Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files : and if so, where can I ftp it from? Any help would be greatly : appreciated. : Please respond via e-mail as I do not read this group very often. : Thanks...Scott Sorry Scott, if you post it here, you can read it here. There is a shareware program available via anonymous FTP that will suit your needs. You'll find it at OAK.OAKLAND.EDU in the subdirectory pub/msdos/graphics. The file is called ""GRFWK61T.ZIP."" TMC. (tmc@spartan.ac.brocku.ca) " 3965,7,"From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski) Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record? Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: > > > My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. > The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible) > last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from > the same hailstorm yet? > > Craig Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would be about $10k. -- -- John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that everyone *will* be happy. " 3966,4,"From: RUTIJOH1@chico.acc.iit.edu (USERS) Subject: Re: > Re: > RE: 1024 x 768 video on Q800 --- adaptor pinouts In-Reply-To: Gene's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 18:06:15 GMT Organization: ILLINOIS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, CHICAGO X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 17 > This does not make sence...why would the 4FG work but the 3FGx not > work...it is the > same monitor without accucolor and digital controls...works fine at > 1024x768 with > SVGA...what's the deal....anyway you can get a SVGA 14"" with .28mm and > 1024x7 68 > for $279 at Damark...are you saing that it probably would work while a > $600 NEC won't? The 3FGx has a maximum horizontal scan rate of 49KHz, so driving it at 60.24KHz to get 1024 x 768 on the Mac is WAY BEYOND the tolerance The 4FG is spec'ed at 57KHz, so going 60.24KHz is only 5-6% above the minimally guaranteed figure. I too doubt if the Damark monitor would sync to a Mac at 1024 x 768. Like most things, you get what you pay. That's the deal. -John Rutirasiri. P.S. I wouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure. " 3967,13,"From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) Subject: Image processing software for PC Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca I am posting the following for my brother. Please post your replies or send him email to his address at the end of his message. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________ My supervisor is looking for a image analysis software for MS DOS. We need something to measure lengths and areas on micrographs. Sometime in the future, we may expand to do some densitometry for gels, etc. We've found lots of ads and info for the Jandel Scientific products: SigmaScan and Java. But we have not been able to find any competing products. We would appreciate any comments on these products and suggestions / comments on other products we should consider. Thanks. Donald UserDONO@MTSG.UBC.CA " 3968,19,"From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner) Subject: Re: Language and agreement Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development Lines: 16 m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: Mr. Meritt, please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads you to conclude Mr. Tice thinks it ""OK"" to take biblical quotes out of context in some other t.r.m. articles. Also, please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning (with its implicit uncertainty) in determining Mr. Tice's opinions when the man is himself clearly available for questioning. Finally, please indicate whether you agree (yes or no) with the following statement: The word ""agree"" and the phrase ""not disagree"" are identical in meaning. " 3969,18,"From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) Subject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: : In article <1993Apr5.045612.14229@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: : : > [...] You're not breathing clean air provided by government : > regulations, [...] : : If this doesn't beat all I ever heard! The above certainly says a : mouthful about the mindset of Ted Frank, and also of statists : everywhere. : -- Yes, there's certainly no need to argue with him, or address the substance of what he says- he's a statist, after all. Probably politically correct, too... Bill " 3970,5,"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Re: Expose Events Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I posted about this a while ago but without code excerpts noone was able to help me. The problem is that main_win.win is doing fine, but when I create detail_win.win, it does not receive it's initial expose events until main_win.win receives an event. Here are the relevent calls: main_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, main_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, main_win.text, main_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); main_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, main_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); XMapSubwindows (mydisplay, main_win.win); The event mask for main_win is: PPosition | PSize | StructureNotifyMask | ExposureMask| KeyPressMask | EnterWindowMask | LeaveWindowMask; The flags are PPosition | PSize I then create detail_win.win with the following calls (hints has new values): detail_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, detail_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, detail_win.text, detail_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); detail_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, detail_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); Event Mask and flags are identical to main_win's flags and event mask. If anybody has any idea why the initial expose events of detail_win.win are not received until main_win.win receives an event I'd love to hear from them. Other that that everything works great so there must be some detail I'm overseeing. Thanks for any tips ---> Robert rgasch@nl.oracle.com " 3971,3,"From: jamesc@netcom.com (James Chuang) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 8 PC Mag only got around 9-10 Winmarks when they tested the Steal 24. It sounds like you are ok. jamesc -- ========================================= If someone asks if you are a God, you say... YES! " 3972,14,"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: chroma.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr20.142747.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > In article , loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: > > I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first > > black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew > > on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the > > ""Star Trek: The Next Generation"" episode that airs the week of May 31. > > It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. > > > > Doug Loss > > > Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an > astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of > space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space.. > A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would have expected a more visible/meaningful role. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | | Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | | | stupidity, and I'm not sure | | | about the former. - Einstein | | carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| | space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3973,2,"From: UNC4b2@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Christoph Steinbeck) Subject: Z-Modem up- and download with WinQVT? Lines: 9 Organization: Chemische Institute, University of Bonn Hello all, I'd like to know, how z-modem-upload is initiated in a WinQVT-Script-file, to check how it works before registering. Unfortunatly, nothing about that feature is mentioned in the manual. Can anybody help me? Ciao, Chris " 3974,13,"From: texx@ossi.com (Robert ""Texx"" Woodworth) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc. Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes: >>Here's a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group, but. . >> >>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms? >>Similar as women's? I have a yeast infection and my husband (who is a >>natural paranoid on a good day) is sure he's gonna catch it and keeps >>asking me what it's like. I'm not sure what his symptoms would be. . >The answer is yes and no. I'm sure others on sci.med can expand on this. Recently someone posted an account of this. Unfortunately it was posted to alt.tasteless so the gross details were emphasized instead of th e actual scientific facts. " 3975,9,"From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Dave Naehring X2079 P7630 (ep502dn@pts.mot.com) wrote: : In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: : >Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball : >being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run : >prevented. : > : This certainly passes the ""common sense test"" for me, but is there any : statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what : percent is fielding? I'd really like to know. BTW, Sherri, thanks for : the DA data I find it fascinating. One of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn's 'Hidden Game' is titled 'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,' implying that fielding is 6%. How do they determine that? Beats me -- it's been a long, long time since I read it. One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen " 3976,5,"From: gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Hughes) Subject: Re: Looking for an R5 Xserver for HP9000/385 Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 3 Update your 385 to HP-UX 9.0. You get an R5 server and libraries. Greg Hughes gmh@fc.hp.com " 3977,10,"From: Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 18 >And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >for the Pens. I had heard(perhaps incorrectly) that while Lemieux was out, noone wore a C on their jersey. The As took turns doing captain duties(whatever they are). Scott... scott.marks@launchpad.unc.edu scott.marks@launchpad.unc.edu -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 3978,19,"From: stevep@Cadence.COM (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Question on Sabbath question; Correction Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 13 >> There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to >> worship on the Sabbath (Saturday). The best-known are the Seventh-Day >> Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. They argue that Act 20:7 is not a >> regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and >> that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service. Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Christians are required to observe the Sabbath, whether it is on Saturday or Sunday. The Sabbath was part of a Covenent between God and the Israelites and is not required for Christians. Steve Peterson " 3979,6,"Subject: WANTED: summer sublease in Washington, DC From: kimgh@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Gene Kim) Distribution: na Organization: Purdue University Lines: 9 I'll be spending this summer in Washington, DC working in Bowie, MD. Does anyone have a summer sublease that they'd like to unload? I'll be in the area from about May 7 - August 20. Please mail me any pertinent info at (kimgh@mentor.cc.purdue.edu). Thanks in advance, Gene " 3980,5,"From: christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) Subject: X386 server problems Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 32 Hello, I'm trying to get X11R5 running on my PC and ran into the following error message when trying to start the Xserver. ------ Setting TCP SO_DONTLINGER: Option not supported by protocol X386 Version 1.2 / X Windows System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000) Fatal server error no screens found giving up xinit: software cased connection abort (errno 130): unable to connect to X xserver. ------ does anyone know what this error means ? has anyone experienced this problem ? help will be much appreciated thanks in advance. please send replies to Christy " 3981,5,"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: Fresco status? Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Issue 5 of the X Resource (the published proceedings of the 7th Annual X Technical Conference) has an paper by Mark Linton and Chuck Price titled ""Building Distributed interfaces with Fresco"". The summary describes Fresco (formerly known as XC++) as an X consortium effort. Without doing a complete review of the paper, I'll just mention the goals as stated in one section of the article. the effort has the goal of providing the next generation toolkit with functionality beyond the Xt toolkit or Xlib. Features they want in FRESCO include: lightweight Objects, such as Interviews Glyphs Structured Graphics Resolution independence Natural C++ programming interface edit-in-place embedding distributed user interface components Multithreading This by no means captures the complete content of the paper. The Conclusions sections mentions that a rough draft specification should be available in early 93, with no schedule (paper presented in Jan 93) for a complete sample implementation. I am not affiliated with any of the people or places mentioned above. -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan " 3982,0,"From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr3.195642.25261@njitgw.njit.edu>, dmu5391@hertz.njit.edu (David Utidjian Eng.Sci.) writes... >In article <31MAR199321091163@juliet.caltech.edu> lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes: > For a complete description of what is, and is not atheism >or agnosticism see the FAQ for alt.atheism in alt.answers... I think. >utidjian@remarque.berkeley.edu I apologize for posting this. I thought it was only going to talk.origins. I also took my definitions from a 1938 Websters. Nonetheless, the apparent past arguments over these words imply that like 'bimonthly' and 'biweekly' they have no commonly accepted definitions and should be used with care. larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu " 3983,7,"From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 49 R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes: >In article >cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > >>laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) writes: >> >>>From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker): >>>> >> >>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. >>>> Any gold trim. >> >>> These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake >>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies >>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion >>>in the way. >>> Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a ""Cadillac"" Cimarron, with >>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. >>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... >> >> I have seen a cutlass Supreme coupe (GM10) with a vinyl roof, ditto >>a Taurus. Shoot the owners, NOW, before it's too late. >> > It gets better. I've seen them on a 4-door escort, Chevy S-10 >Blazer, and even a Chevy astro mini-van. A mini-van w/ a fake >convertible top is not something you want to see just after eating! > And better yet..There's a chevette in town with wire crome wheels, vinyl roof, tacky paint job and a continental spare (showing the wire crome wheel within, of course)...I'm scared to look on the inside and have only seen it rolling down the road...and I too was glad I hadn't just ate. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bob Martel | Lady luck must have been a wonderful girl >bob2@cua3.csuohio.edu | -She's never been a friend of mine! >R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu | The Alan Parsons Project > | The 3B1 lives! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris T. Ward DoD#0710 ""Don't take life too seriously, you can never come out of it alive."" -? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 3984,2,"Subject: Re: Need longer filenames From: maystonr@grace.cri.nz (Richard Mayston) Distribution: world Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz Lines: 10 In article <765461d518325t9@infoserv.com> hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) writes: >In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote: >> >> >> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than >> the standard 8.3 format. > Yep, it's called OS2! " 3985,12,"From: mvanmeet@ua.d.umn.edu (Mike VanMeeteren) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu In article mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) writes: >> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer. >> >>1. Mechanical driven odometer: >> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission. >> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over. >> Continue until the desired mileage is reached. >==================================== >Admittedly an irrelavent question:for how long should the drill be running? > >Bijan A verrrrrry long time, like on the order of days. I had the pleasure of doing that once (playing with the speedo cable) and with my B&D heavy duty at full speed (600 rpm) all the speedo ever got up to was 30 MPH. Now if you go a high speed drill and ran it at say 4000 rpm, you could get 200 MPH out of it. (If you speedo doesn't burn out.) Anyways, to roll a 100000 Mile odometer would take 22 days or so. Much easier just to take the speedo apart. Thought I'd share. BTW, all this info was obtained legally :-) -- (~)~)~) o /) _ Computer Lesson One: There is no ""any"" key, alternate keys / / / / /_) /_) are ,,, / / (_(_/ (_/\_ and sometimes . mvanmeet@ub.d.umn.edu -consultant at lab " 3986,3,"From: cas@spl1.spl.loral.com (Carl A Swanson) Subject: PC sound on a SB Organization: Loral Software Productivity Lab Lines: 9 I read sometime in the last couple of weeks, an article which desribed how to play PC sound through a soundblaster. I didn't save the article and all old articles have been purged from our system here. Would whomever posted the article detailing where to connect the wires please re-post? Specifically, I need to know where to connect wires from the PC speaker to the SB card. Thx in Advance, Carl " 3987,3,From: wow@cup.portal.com (wallace otis waggoner) Subject: 2 SMC 270E ARCNET cars for sale $50ea. Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 4 I have 2 new SMC 270E ARCNET cards for sale . They are brand new. $50 each wow@cup.portal.com Wally Waggoner 3988,6,From: danj@iat.holonet.net (dana james) Subject: Re: trade my 14.4k modem for your PC/XT Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System Lines: 5 email your replies to: danj@holonet.net 3989,0,"Organization: Penn State University From: Andrew Newell Subject: Re: free moral agency Distribution: na Lines: 119 In article , bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) says: > >dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote: > >: Now, what I am interested in is the original notion you were discussing >: on moral free agency. That is, how can a god punish a person for >: not believing in him when that person is only following his or her >: nature and it is not possible for that person to deny what his or >: her reason tells him or her, which is that there is no god? > >I think you're letting atheist mythology confuse you on the issue of (WEBSTER: myth: ""a traditional or legendary story... ...a belief...whose truth is accepted uncritically."") How does that qualify? Indeed, it's almost oxymoronic...a rather amusing instance. I've found that most atheists hold almost no atheist-views as ""accepted uncritically,"" especially the few that are legend. Many are trying to explain basic truths, as myths do, but they don't meet the other criterions. Also... >Divine justice. According to the most fundamental doctrines of >Christianity, When the first man sinned, he was at that time the You accuse him of referencing mythology, then you procede to launch your own xtian mythology. (This time meeting all the requirements of myth.) >salvation. The idea of punishment is based on the proposition that >everyone knows (instinctively?) that God exists, is their creator and Ah, but not everyone ""knows"" that god exists. So you have a fallacy. >There's nothing terribly difficult in all this and is well known to >any reasonably Biblically literate Christian. The only controversy is And that makes it true? Holding with the Bible rules out controversy? Read the FAQ. If you've read it, you missed something, so re-read. (Not a bad suggestion for anyone...I re-read it just before this.) >with those who pretend not to know what is being said and what it >means. When atheists claim that they do -not- know if God exists and >don't know what He wants, they contradict the Bible which clearly says >that -everyone- knows. The authority of the Bible is its claim to be ...should I repeat what I wrote above for the sake of getting it across? You may trust the Bible, but your trusting it doesn't make it any more credible to me. If the Bible says that everyone knows, that's clearly reason to doubt the Bible, because not everyone ""knows"" your alleged god's alleged existance. >refuted while the species-wide condemnation is justified. Those that >claim that there is no evidence for the existence of God or that His will is >unknown, must deliberately ignore the Bible; the ignorance itself is >no excuse. 1) No, they don't have to ignore the Bible. The Bible is far from universally accepted. The Bible is NOT a proof of god; it is only a proof that some people have thought that there was a god. (Or does it prove even that? They might have been writing it as series of fiction short-stories. As in the case of Dionetics.) Assuming the writers believed it, the only thing it could possibly prove is that they believed it. And that's ignoring the problem of whether or not all the interpretations and Biblical-philosophers were correct. 2) There are people who have truly never heard of the Bible. 3) Again, read the FAQ. >freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to >ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known >in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only Bzzt...wrong answer! Gravity is directly THERE. It doesn't stop exerting a direct and rationally undeniable influence if you ignore it. God, on the other hand, doesn't generally show up in the supermarket, except on the tabloids. God doesn't exert a rationally undeniable influence. Gravity is obvious; gods aren't. >Secondly, human reason is very comforatble with the concept of God, so >much so that it is, in itself, intrinsic to our nature. Human reason >always comes back to the question of God, in every generation and in No, human reason hasn't always come back to the existance of ""God""; it has usually come back to the existance of ""god"". In other words, it doesn't generally come back to the xtian god, it comes back to whether there is any god. And, in much of oriental philosophic history, it generally doesn't pop up as the idea of a god so much as the question of what natural forces are and which ones are out there. From a world-wide view, human nature just makes us wonder how the universe came to be and/or what force(s) are currently in control. A natural tendancy to believe in ""God"" only exists in religious wishful thinking. >I said all this to make the point that Christianity is eminently >reasonable, that Divine justice is just and human nature is much >different than what atheists think it is. Whether you agree or not Xtianity is no more reasonable than most other religions, and it's reasonableness certainly doesn't merit eminence. Divine justice...well, it only seems just to those who already believe in the divinity. First, not all atheists believe the same things about human nature. Second, whether most atheists are correct or not, YOU certainly are not correct on human nature. You are, at the least, basing your views on a completely eurocentric approach. Try looking at the outside world as well when you attempt to sum up all of humanity. Andrew " 3990,6,"From: susan@wuee1.wustl.edu (Susan Castleman) Subject: TEst Nntp-Posting-Host: wuee1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Distribution: stl Lines: 1 This is a test. Thanks. " 3991,1,"From: hrs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (herman.r.silbiger) Subject: ANSI/AIIM MS-53 Standard Image File Format Organization: AT&T Keywords: image, file format Lines: 6 wing the suggestion of Stu Lynne, I have posted the Image File Format executable and source code to alt.sources. Herman Silbiger . " 3992,4,"From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini) Subject: ATTN: 160,165c,180 and DUO owners!!! Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com Summary: buzzing Keywords: buzz Be very careful when you plug in a external monitor and a external speaker. Make sure that all the power cords are in the same strip. If you don't you take a chance of having a very bad audio buzz. This is caused be a ""ground loop"" and the only way of getting rid of this loud buzz is to make sure that you have a common ground. Make sure that all the power cords are going in to the same strip or off the same outlet. This will assure you of a common ground. Tim Keanini Sound Designer Broderbund Software " 3993,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 18 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu -*----- In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: > What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings > from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this > specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic > phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of > hypothesizing. I think the question is: What is extra-scientific about this? It has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered legitimate hypotheses. The point, in short, is this: hypotheses and speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy, daydreams, ancient traditions, modern quackery, or anywhere else. Russell " 3994,3,"Subject: Looking for replacement for a JVC-disk From: michael@pcmith.rks.se (Michael Thurbin) Organization: Sommarvagen 1, S-352 37 Vaxjoe, SWEDEN Lines: 22 Hi! I got hold of an old Zenith 286 Laptop with model# ZWL-183-45 The hard-disk is dead but the rest seems to work. I took the Zenith apart and found a very strange disk for wich I now try to replace. The disk is marked JVC, model JD3824R00-1. Has anyone any specs. on this disk or suggestion where i can find it or a cheap replacement for it. Thanks for your help. -- Michael Michael Thurbin (michael@pcmith.rks.se) -- ************************************************************************************************** Michael Thurbin Sommarvagen 1 Phone: +46 (0)47021340 S-352 37 Vaxjoe Fax: +46 (0)47048978 SWEDEN ************************************************************************************************** " 3995,3,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: VL-bus HDD/FDD controller or IDE HDD/FDD controller? In-Reply-To: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com's message of 20 Apr 93 13:30:17 GMT Lines: 16 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article <62890018@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) writes: > Hi, > I am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a > HDD/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD/FDD controller faster > than 16 bit IDE HDD/FDD controller card? No, VL-bus IDE is no faster than ISA IDE. The IDE interface is fundamentally nothing more than an extension of the ISA bus, and if you hook it to VL-bus it'll work as fast as the slower of the two, meaning ISA speed. > I hear that > the VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller? On the other hand, I wouldn't expect it to be *slower*... -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 3996,3,"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Some more info. about P9000 board Originator: himb@iniki Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 10 One more thing to add, the Orchid board vesa bios is only able to handle the 1 meg dram on board, the Viper however can utilize the 2 meg vram on board to support vesa modes such as 1280x1024x256, 800x600x16 mil. and 1024x768x65536 under Dos. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93) + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + " 3997,8,"From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa Lines: 16 In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. > >I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. >vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. > >Now what do I do? Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay. I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted. Showing great restraint, Keith Hanlan KeithH@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645 " 3998,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.002937.9237 Distribution: usa Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes: }first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing), }but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally, As someone who was told quite firmly by 2 Honda sales/service weenies that there is no larger tank available for the Hawk (I have a '91 Hawk with the puny 3.2 gal tank), I'd be very interested to know if there is any decent aftermarket solution. I'd love to have at least a 4 gal tank. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 3999,8,"From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: Protective gear Article-I.D.: dsd.1993Apr6.042624.22937 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam In article maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >Question for the day: > >What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei >rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap >leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, >leather pants, what? What's your favorite body part? :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 4000,15,"From: apodaca@spot.Colorado.EDU (mu'tafikah) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: University of Blaspheme Lines: 20 I don't understand who this post is directed towards; who are you trying to convince? By its subject i would assume you are directing the argument towards people who do not believe that Christ rose from the dead, but in your ""proof,"" you use the bible exclusively. The post is therefore immediately useless to anyone who doesn't believe that the bible is an unadulterated truth, and to everyone else, it is just a reaffirmation of a belief already held. As far as i know, there is no disagreement between christians over the resurrection of christ. so my question is: what is the purpose of this post? tomas -- ""Because no battle is ever won he said. They are not even fought. the field only reveals to man his own folly and despair, and victory is an illusion of philosophers and fools."" William Faulkner " 4001,5,"From: rogerskm@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Karen Rogers) Subject: Remapping key in a dialog Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development Lines: 58 I am new to X programming, so please bear with me.... I am trying to have a dialog box that returns it's value upon the user entering a new value and hitting the key. (don't want to have a ""done"" button). The piece of code below will work if I exclude the XtNvalue argument but will not work as is. Can someone shed some light on this or suggest a better way? Ultimately I will have several areas active at the same time to allow a user to modify parameters in the program. Thanks for your help, Karen Rogers Dupont rogerskm@pluto.es.dupont.com ######### Code starts here ################ void doit() { printf(""Entered the doit function\n""); exit(); } main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { Widget toplevel; Widget outer; XtAppContext app_con; Widget samples; Arg args[3]; static XtActionsRec key_actions[]= { {""doit"", doit}, }; toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_con, ""TEST"", NULL, 0, &argc, argv, NULL, NULL); outer = XtCreateManagedWidget( ""paned"", panedWidgetClass, toplevel, NULL, ZERO); XtAppAddActions(app_con, key_actions, XtNumber(key_actions)); XtSetArg(args[0], XtNlabel, ""Enter value""); XtSetArg(args[1], XtNvalue, ""0""); samples = XtCreateManagedWidget(""samples"", dialogWidgetClass,outer,args,2); XtOverrideTranslations(samples, XtParseTranslationTable(""Return: doit()"")); XtRealizeWidget(toplevel); XtAppMainLoop(app_con); } " 4002,7,"From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 35 In rec.autos, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: xIn article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) x writes: x>Hello, x> x> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine x>compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind x>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! x> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable x>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too x>tight, is it safe without oil leak? x xAssuming you don't have a Russian car with opposite threads, then xyou turn counterclockwise. I would get some professional xhelp here, you may not have located the draing plug and xactually be trying to loosen something else. x xCraig x> x> x>Thank you very much in advance------ Winson x> This reminds me of the first time my cousin did an oil change on his car. He crawled under, removed a bolt, drained the fluid, replaced the bolt, then carefully poured in 5 quarts of oil. Didn't bother to check the dip stick, just drove off. Didn't get too far till me found out that he'd drained the 4-speed trans and dumped an extra 5 quarts into the engine.:( MORAL: As Craig said don't be ashamed to get some *in person* help the first time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mack Costello Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____ Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 4003,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.191011.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > In article <2736@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: >>This bit interests me. How much automatic control is there? Is it >>purely autonomous or is there some degree of ground control? > > The ""stick-and-rudder man"" is always the onboard computer. The computer > normally gets its orders from a stored program, but they can be overridden > from the ground. > >>How is >>the transition from aerodynamic flight (if thats what it is) to hover >>accomplished? This is the really new part... > > It's also one of the tricky parts. There are four different ideas, and > DC-X will probably end up trying all of them. (This is from talking to > Mitch Burnside Clapp, who's one of the DC-X test pilots, at Making Orbit.) > > (1) Pop a drogue chute from the nose, light the engines once the thing > stabilizes base-first. Simple and reliable. Heavy shock loads > on an area of structure that doesn't otherwise carry major loads. > Needs a door in the ""hot"" part of the structure, a door whose > operation is mission-critical. > > (2) Switch off pitch stability -- the DC is aerodynamically unstable at > subsonic speeds -- wait for it to flip, and catch it at 180 > degrees, then light engines. A bit scary. > > (3) Light the engines and use thrust vectoring to push the tail around. > Probably the preferred method in the long run. Tricky because > of the fuel-feed plumbing: the fuel will start off in the tops > of the tanks, then slop down to the bottoms during the flip. > Keeping the engines properly fed will be complicated. > > (4) Build up speed in a dive, then pull up hard (losing a lot of speed, > this thing's L/D is not that great) until it's headed up and > the vertical velocity drops to zero, at which point it starts > to fall tail-first. Light engines. Also a bit scary, and you > probably don't have enough altitude left to try again. > -- > All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology > - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way?? Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?). Why not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then... == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Please enlighten me... Ignorance is easy to correct. make a mistake and everyone will let you know you messed up.. " 4004,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 75 In article lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La wrence C. Foard) writes: >In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >> >> >>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: >> >> Male sex survey: Gay activity low >> >> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough >> examination of American men's sexual practices published since >> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 >> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and >> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. >> >> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday >> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than >> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional >> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. > >1) So what? So there are less gays, then the gays claim. > >2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers > gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of > us then this is an event unprecidented in history... > Dream on. Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don't even bring in half of that. >>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. > >Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... > I was wondering why I wasn't getting laid. >>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >>male population. > >And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those >who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for >you.... > If it's more, then who cares? >>It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. > >Fuck off > Actually, I bet you more gay/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, because more of them could have the ""option"" of living a straight life, and with social pressures, probably would at least try. >-- >------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . >\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . > \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . > \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . > Did you know that is is a fact that homosexuality was comparatively high in Hitler's storm troopers (SA) before he came to power. I wonder if they got to put the triangles on themselves...... Ryan " 4005,19,"From: edmahood@infoserv.com (Ed Mahood, Jr.) Subject: Re: Greek myth and the Bible Organization: Writer Lines: 28 X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13 In , Pegasus@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie EWBrandt) wrote: > > [irrelevant inserts from previous postings deleted] > > A definiation from a text book used as part of an introductory course in > social anthorpology ""The term myth designates traditionally based, dramatic > narratives on themes that emphasize the nature of humankind's relationship > to nature and to the supernatural. ... legends are ususally defined as > tales concerning other times and places that do not give the same extensive > emphasis to supernatural themes. Legends, more often than myths, are retold > purely as entertainment."" from Peter B. Hammand's .An introduction to > Cutural and Social Anthropology. second ed Macmillion page 387. This makes > the Bible a Fibber Magee's closet, over stuffed with a little bit of every > thing gleened by a wandering people. > Pegasus Now doesn't this sound a lot like the ""colorful (or otherwise) story from antiquity that somehow tries to (or does) explain natural pheno- mena""? I think I hear what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that I know what you mean. The possibility exists that what _looks_ like ""myth"" on the surface may be after all much more than ""just"" a story. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ed mahood, jr. < edmahood@infoserv.com > " 4006,9,"From: ""Dennis G Parslow"" Subject: Re: Minnesota Pitching In-Reply-To: <4fjvBVy00iUz86yo5_@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Performance Systems Int'l X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4) Lines: 36 >DATE: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 00:19:45 -0400 >FROM: Karim Edvard Ahmed > >Since I haven't been able to keep up with baseball much this season, I >have a few questions about my favorite team, the Minnesota Twins: > >1. How good does their rotation look? The last I heard, the order is >Tapani, Erikson, Mahomes, Banks, and some guy I've never heard of. >(sounds pretty pathetic to me) Well, maybe it will be. Banks is a 24 year-old prospect who ""hasn't matured as quickly as they would have liked. Mahomes is a 22 year-old who is very highly touted. Tapani and Erickson are also young, and have looked very good this spring. The last spot was between Jim Deshaies, formerly of Houston and S.D. and Mike Trombley. Deshaies hasn't looked very good this spring, so I believe that the spot has gone to Trombley, although they hadn't wanted 3 starters this unproven. I personally believe very highly in Mahomes and Trombley. > >2. Who is playing short and third? Well, Scott Leius is the shortstop. He played mostly 3B last year, but was a SS in the minors, and moved back after Gagne left to K.C. 3B is split (maybe) between Pagliarulo, who has had a great spring, and Terry Jorgenson, a good looking kid who has languished in Portland for 3 years. I'm not sure how the time will be divided, but they seem to be happy with what they have here. I like Jorgenson, but I fear they might give too much time to Pags. >3. How's Winfield doing? Sorry, can't help you here. Dennis " 4007,8,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 74 In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, >|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your >|whining. >| >|Fine. >| >|Fuck off too. >| >|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago, >|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me. >| >|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've >|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit) >|and my cousin is still recovering. >| >|No, I can't take back what happened. >| >|Yes, it was stupid. >| >|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're >|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion. > >Hey, man, you brought it up. I agree completely, driving drunk is really >stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it. But >DWI is endemic in our society. It is a REAL problem. And we, as >motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk >driver. (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI >accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life >of one of the participants, as I reported here.) Also, drunk driving by >motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the >insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public >against those of us who ride responsibly. > >In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence. >It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue, >but a genuine safety issue. So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto, >admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the >consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes. > >Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav). I agree that DUI/DWI is serious. We should have reasonable laws, strict enforcement, and tough sentences. But, Andrew did not post ""looking for sympathy over the consequences."" He posted asking for advice because he had an extremely high quote. His post was obviously valid because he later found insurance for LESS. He noted why he was in his predicament but did not defend in any way drunk driving (and has renounced drunk driving). There are too many repeat offenders to worry about and other BDC. Why try to make this person who is no longer part of the problem an outcast? He has paid his debt to society. Step off the high horse. We have all been irresponsible in the past. With that said, I'm guilty of the same type of hostility towards rapists. I think it comes because I feel the punishment is not severe enough. The same may be true of DWI/DUI. If that is the case, then it is our stinkin' gubment we need to change. If we had a reasonable law about DWI/DUI with a stiff penalty then fewer people would do it. At any rate, Andrew as paid his debt as defined by the law. If you think that debt is actually greater than the law mandates, tell your 'representatives'. Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 4008,2,"From: hein@eurom.rhein-main.de (Hein Roehrig) Subject: Windows NT und X-Windows? Lines: 15 Organization: Free Software Association of Germany I am not sure whether I am here in the right area, but does anybody here know whether Windows NT does/will include a X Windows server so that it can run X Window applications remotely? This is because we are considering at our university to use PC's for word processing and program development, whereas the bigger jobs are to be run either on SUN workstations or on Fujitsu super computers. Thank you very much in advance, Hein. ---- eurom: Free Multiline Unix BBS Home of the FSAG Frankfurt/Main,Germany Data: ++49-69-6312934 " 4009,15,"From: bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) Subject: Re: Question from an agnostic Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool Lines: 16 >>>>> On 2 May 93 13:53:23 GMT, damon@math.okstate.edu (HASTINGS DAMON TOD) said: > A Christian friend of mine once reasoned that if we were never created, then > we could not exist. Therefore we were created, and therefore there exists a > Creator. > Is this statement considered to be a valid proof by many Christians (and > followers of other religions, I suppose)? [rest deleted] Some variant is quite popular. This, and other arguments, are discussed in John Leslie Mackie's ""The Miracle of Theism: arguments for and against the existence of God"". Although Mackie ultimately sides with ""against"", his arguments are, I think, quite fair to both sides. Brief discussions can be found in the alt.atheism FAQs. -- Bruce CMSR, University of Liverpool " 4010,9,"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) Subject: Re: ESPN and Expansion Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett Packard Lines: 33 In article itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes: >I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little >confused. > >While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit >from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs, >Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was, >of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball >has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's). > >What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would >do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the >likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs. > >My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The >last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I >miss something? > >Dennis Cleary >dfcleary@ucdavis.edu > I wondered the same thing. When he first mentioned it, I thought he was just making a mistake but then he said it over and over. And then in the examples from other years, he gave stats for players from both leagues even when only one league expanded. So (since stats *NEVER* lie :-) ), I guess there is an effect on both leagues because the expansion draft takes talent from both leagues equally making every team in both leagues dilute their major league talent by calling up players that, normally, they would not have had there not been expansion. Make sense? " 4011,9,"Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) Organization: University of Cincinnati NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu Lines: 5 Hank Greenberg was probably the greatest ever. He was also subject to a lot of heckling from bigots on the opposing teams and in the stands, but it never seemed to affect his performance negatively. Bob Davis rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu " 4012,6,"From: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (Rich Long) Subject: Icom 02AT for sale Reply-To: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Lines: 35 I am looking to sell my ICOM IC-02AT and extras. I have the following: CM-12 Battery HS-10 Headset HS-10SA VOX unit Cigarette Adapter Leather Case BC-25V Wall Charger IC-BP3 Battery Also have one that needs a new cell (i think, its been a while) It is in good condition, has a scratch on the front that is not visible when in the leather case. If you are interested, make me an offer. --rich -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<='@T,C#4S M,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,""!<""DD@86T@;&]O:VEN M9R!T;R!S96QL(&UY($E#3TT@24,M,#)!5""!A;F0@97AT0D) M06QS;R!H879E(&]N92!T:&%T(&YE961S(&$@;F5W(&-E;&P@*&D@=&AI;FLL M(&ET6]U(&%R92!I K;G1E sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: >So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? Why would you want to do that? The goal is to do it cheaper (remember, this isn't government). Instead of leasing an expensive launch pad, just use a SSTO and launch from a much cheaper facility. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 4015,1,"From: cs89ssg@brunel.ac.uk (Sunil Gupta) Subject: Re: RTrace 8.2.0 Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Comp. Graphics/CAD (cgcad@bart.inescn.pt) wrote: : There is a new version of the RTrace ray-tracing package (8.2.0) at : asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace. : Check the README file. cant seem to reach the site from over here: >#ping 192.35.246.17 >ICMP Net Unreachable from gateway nsn-FIX-pe.sura.net (192.80.214.253) >for icmp from ccws-24.brunel.ac.uk (134.83.176.30) to 192.35.246.17 Is it possible for you to upload to a more mainstream ftp place? " 4016,7,"From: cracker@tc.fluke.COM (Don Graham) Subject: Re: JEEP WRANGLER - OPINI Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 44 In article <1qht5eINNjdf@hp-col.col.hp.com>, tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes: > I have had two Wranglers, and still have the second right now. It's a > 1991 Wrangler Base model with the big I-6 4.0L engine, hard top, no > power steering or air conditioning. Runs like a top. Has about 37k on > it. Has never been in the shop. I can change my own oil (nice tall > vehicle). I can lube it myself (11 fittings). I occasionally take it to > Jiffy Lube to check the differentials and do the oil change there. > > My previous Wrangler had nary a problem either. Here in Colorado there' > more Jeeps than BMW's, Mercedes, Volvos, and the like together! In fact > Jeep has been called the Colorado Car for a while. They hold their value > well, and are very easy to resell. Mine cost right around $14.2K new. Of > course, I didn't blow money on an Islander, Sahara, or Renegade which ^^^^^^^^^^ I have a 92 Wrangler Sahara and paid $14.1 new (including the rebate). > are just Wranglers with fancy inside stuff. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ After driving a CJ-5 for 6 years, that fancy stuff is pretty nice. > > The cars are primitive, ride like a dump truck, etc.. But if you live in > an area that gets around 140"" of snow per winter, you'd have one too. > They'll go anywhere (with a winch) and are easy to get parts for. The ^^^^^^^^^^^ I like my Wrangler, but when doing some serious off roading, it can't keep up with a CJ-5 because of ground clearance and limited suspension travel. I do have a winch and would like to get an ARB air-locker in the future. > 4.0L engine puts out 180-190 HP and gets around 20mpg. Not bad. I love the 4.0. > > Just my experience. I'm sure there are bad ones out there, but that goes > for any make and model. > > Don Graham " 4017,4,"From: aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha) Subject: Re: New Duo Dock info. Organization: Cambridge Consultants Ltd., Cambridge, UK Lines: 7 >> In article , nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes: >> > The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new >> > macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own. Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!! Alain " 4018,13,"From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: the Syllabub Sea Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Mark McWiggins reminds us: MM> Also, don't forget that it's better for your health MM> to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ... YES! I call this notion ""psychological health food"" and, in fact, have determined that the Four Food Groups are Ice Cream, Pizza, Barbecue, and Chocolate. Ideally, every meal should contain something from at least two of these four groups. Food DOES serve functions other than nutrition, and one of them is keeping the organism happy and thus aiding its immune system. And I didn't spend a million bucks commissioning a study that told me to redraw my silly little pyramid in different colors and with a friendlier typeface, either. (Ref: Consumer Reports' back page--one of the best things ever to turn up there.) Rich Young writes of one of six impossible things: RY> to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."" Donald Mackie confesses: DM> I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. DM> No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic. Yeah, I want to try one of those 42oz steaks (cooked over applewood) at Wally's Wolf Lodge Inn in Coeur d'Alene. That seems quite unrealistic--unrealistically SMALL. And a few slabs of ribs from the East Texas Smoker (RIP, again) in Louisville is not at all unrealistic either. What say we have a rec.food.cooking dinner at the Moonlite Bar-B-Que Inn in Owensboro? (It's all you can eat including lamb ribs & mutton for about $10.) We could invite Julie Kangas as guest of honor and see if the Moonlite's Very Hot Sauce is too hot for her. (It IS too hot for me, and I don't say that very often.) And she could bring ice cream with crushed dried chiltepins for dessert. And we could see if there IS such a thing as an ""unrealistically large quantity"" of barbecue--the owner of the Moonlite estimates that the Owensboro restaurants serve a hundred thousand pounds of meat a week in the summer, and forty thousand in the winter--in a town of 50 000 or so. Two pounds per person per week? Again, sure sounds unrealistic to me--thats just too meager to be healthy. ~ Kiran (Now a two-pound slab of ribs a day, THAT's realistic.) -- FUZZY PINK NIVEN'S LAW: Never Waste Calories. Potato chips, candy, whipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors. But Fuzzy Pink's Law implies: Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped cream, or an inferior hot fudge sundae. Larry Niven, NIVEN'S LAWS, N-SPACE " 4019,17,"From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 4 We really should try to be as understanding as we can for Brad, because it appears killing is all he knows. Jesse " 4020,1,From: fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr (FOMBARON marc) Subject: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Keywords: 3d studio 2.01 Nntp-Posting-Host: boole-imag Organization: University of Grenoble (France) Lines: 9 Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? Thank you for helping Marc. -- _/_/ _/_/ e-mail : Marc.Fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Marc Fombaron. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Grenoble. 4021,11,"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland Lines: 48 In <1993Apr21.001707.9999@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: >(the date I have for this is 1-26-93) >note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess >this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. >--- cut here --- > WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh >start, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation >of Police Commisioners convention in Washington. > In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural, >Clinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make >everything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical >purposes this war is only beginning now.'' He repeatedly emphasized >his view that ``regardless of what has been tried, or who has tried >it, or how long they've been trying it, this is Day One to me.'' >The audience at the convention, whose theme is ``How do we spell >fiscal relief? F-O-R-F-E-I-T-U-R-E,'' interrupted Clinton frequently >with applause. > Clinton's program, presented in the speech, follows the >outline given in his campaign position papers: a cabinet-level Drug >Czar and ``boot camps'' for first-time youthful offenders. He did, >however, cover in more detail his plans for improved enforcement >methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' >Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict >controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration >of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug >dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the >approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground >economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who >live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' > Clinton expressed optimism that the drug war can be won >``because even though not everyone voted for Bill Clinton last >November, everyone did vote for a candidate who shares my sense of >urgency about fighting the drug menace. The advocates of >legalization -- the advocates of surrender -- may be very good at >making noise,'' Clinton said. ``But when the American people cast >their ballots, it only proved what I knew all along -- that the >advocates of surrender are nothing more than a microscopic fringe.'' Just doing a quick reality check here - is this for real or did someone invent it to provoke a reaction from people? It sounds more like the sort of thing you'd have heard, suitably rephrased, from the leader of a certain German political party in the 1930's.... Peter. " 4022,2,"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 38 In article , ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: > In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: > > >Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and > >Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a > >real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? > > The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded ^^^^ I think it was the IIT people who make the chip the card is based on who hard-coded the string. One of the weeklies looked into this an came to the conclusion that the IIT chip was still pretty fast. > Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench > results are pretty much inflated. > > When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off > you.. 9-) > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala > Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach > Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 " 4023,7,"From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 62 In cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >>In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: >>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>>>I am quite interested in it. >>>>Thanks! >>>>Darren Gibbons >>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca >>> >>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? >>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same >>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily >>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. >>Craig > I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure >that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the >GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. >-- >Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu >*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** Bzzt. The manta was a two-door sedan in the US. It had a 1900 engine. Was sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900. Manta's are also ve hot and fun cars too. -- /-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-\ | |\/| __ -=> mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu <=- (mliggett@iugold.bitnet | * | |/\|| 'junk' collector, toys R us kid, antiauthoritarian, and fan of * | frogs, iguanas, and other herps. | " 4024,13,"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: Endometriosis Summary: not that rare a condition Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr16.032251.6606@rock.concert.net> naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter) writes: > >can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard >it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names >of a specialist/surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park >area (raleigh/durham/chapel hill) who is familiar with the condition, >i would really appreciate it. >thanks. >--Naomi Naomi, your best bet is to look in the Yellow Pages and find a listing for OBGyn doc in the area you wish. Any OBGyn doc is familiar with endometriosis and its treatments. Shalom Len Howard MD " 4025,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: The guy who bad-mouthed Ulf... Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 14 Patrick Walker writes: > >If he ever tried some like that on a Yzerman, he'd >would have to deal with Probert now wouldn't he? Do you realize how many smiles are crossing faces after you wrote that? (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 4026,11,"From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com (Bill Sommerfeld) Subject: A little political philosophy worth reading. Lines: 66 Nntp-Posting-Host: snarfblatt.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett Packard Read this through once or twice. Then replace ""prince"" with ""government"" or ""president"", as appropriate, and read it again. [From Chapter XX of _The Prince_, by N. Macchiavelli, as translated by Daniel Donno.] In order to keep their lands secure, some princes have disarmed their subjects; others have prompted division within the cities they have subjugated. Some have nurtured animosities against themselves; others have sought to win the approval of those they initially distrusted. Some have erected fortresses; others have destroyed them. Now, although it is impossible to set down definite judgements on all of these measures without considering the particular circumstances of the states where they may be employed, I shall nevertheless discuss them in such broad terms as the subject itself will allow. To begin with, there has never been a case of a new prince disarming his subjects. Indeed, whenever he found them disarmed, he proceeded to arm them. For by arming your subjects, you make their arms your own. Those among them who are suspicious become loyal, while those who are already loyal remain so, and from subjects they are transformed into partisans. Though you cannot arm them all, nonetheless you increase your safety among those you leave unarmed by extending privileges to those you arm. Your different treatment of the two categories will make the latter feel obligated to you, while the former will consider it proper thoat those who assume added duties and dangers should receive advantages. When you disarm your subjects, however, you offend them, by showing that, either from cowardliness or from lack of faith, you distrust them; and either conclusion will induce them to hate you. Moreover, since it is impossible for you to remain unarmed, you would have to resort to mercenaries, whose limitations have already been discussed. Even if such troops were good, however, they could never be good enough to defend you from powerful enemies, and doubtful subjects. Therefore, as I have said, a new prince in a newly acquired state has always taken measures to arm his subjects, and history is full of examples proving that this is so. But when a prince takes posession of a new state which he annexes as an addition to his original domain, then he must disarm all the subjects of the new state except those who helped him to acquire it; and these, as time and occasion permit, he must seek to render soft and weak. He must arrange matters in such a way that the arms of the entire state will be in the hands of soldiers who are native to his original domain. ... And since the subject demands it, I will not fail to remind any prince who has acquired a new state by the aid of its inhabitants that he soundly consider what induced them to assist him; if the reason is not natural affection for him, but rather dissatisfaction with the former government, he will find it extremely difficult to keep them friendly, for it will be impossible to please them. If he will carefully think the matter through in the light of examples drawn from ancient and modern affairs, he will understand why it is much easier to win the favor of those who were happy with their former government, and hence were his enemies, than to keep the favor of those who, out of dissatisfaction with the former rule, helped him to replace it. " 4027,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr22.003719.101323@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated: >> >> > >I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in >that essentially says ""If you never hear from Earth again, >here's what to do."" This was a back up in the event a receiver >burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but >still some data). > Voyager has the unusual luck to be on a stable trajectory out of the solar system. All it's doing is collecting fields data, and routinely squirting it down. One of the mariners is also in stable solar orbit, and still providing similiar solar data. Something in a planetary orbit, is subject to much more complex forces. Comsats, in ""stable "" geosynch orbits, require almost daily stationkeeping operations. For the occasional deep space bird, like PFF after pluto, sure it could be left on ""auto-pilot"". but things like galileo or magellan, i'd suspect they need enough housekeeping that even untended they'd end up unusable after a while. The better question should be. Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding to support these kind of ongoing science missions. pat When ongoing ops are mentioned, it seems to always quote Operations and Data analysis. how much would it cost to collect the data and let it be analyzed whenever. kinda like all that landsat data that sat around for 15 years before someone analyzed it for the ozone hole. >>Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some >>cosmic phenomena. >> >Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for >startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might >not be such a big loss. Obviously you can't plan for >everything, but the most obvious things can be considered. > > >/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ >| ""I know you believe you understand what it is that you | >| think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that | >| what I said is not what I meant."" | " 4028,0,"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Evo. & Homosexuality (Was Re: Princeton etc.) Article-I.D.: srvr1.1psosqINN3gg Distribution: world Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: wormwood.engin.umich.edu Sorry, Bill, I had to clear this up. There may be good evolutionary arguments against homosexuality, but these don't qualify. In article bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >C.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote: [deletions] >: |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function [deletions] >: So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children? >: Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated. Obviously you keep to the >: Monty Python song: ""Every sperm is sacred"". And if, as *you* say, it has >: a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own >: arguement, natural. > >Consider the context, I'm talking about an evolutionary function. One >of the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a >species procreate, those who don't have no purpose in that context. Oh? I guess all those social insects (e.g. ants, bees, etc.) which have one breeding queen and a whole passel of sterile workers are on the way out, huh? >: These days is just ain't true! People can decide whether or not to have >: children and when. Soon they will be able to choose it's sex &c (but that's >: another arguement...) so it's more of a ""lifestyle"" decision. Again by >: your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they >: must be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children. Both are >: as ""unnatural"" as each other. > >Yet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists >for procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That >homosexuals don't procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and >nothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose. I refer you to the bonobos, a species of primate as closeley related to humans as chimpanzees (that is, very closely). They have sex all the time, homosexual as well as heterosexual. When the group finds food, they have sex. Before the go to sleep at night, they have sex. After they escape from or fight off prdators, they have sex. Sex serves a very important social function above and beyond reproduction in this species. A species closely related to humans. There is some indication that sex performs a social function in humans, as well, but even if not, this shows that such a function is not *impossible*. Sincerely, Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu ""The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!"" - Robert A. Heinlein " 4029,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Lines: 35 Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Keywords: In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel writes: >What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of >the muslim a s well as jewish religion, among others. Israel has a right to keep Jerusalem for many reasons. They include the fact that the majority of the citizens are Israeli, the fact that Israel maintains religious freedom for all people, and the historical connection of Judaism to Jerusalem. When Jerusalem was devided by a Jordanian invasion in 1948, the cease fire agreement included the right of individuals to visit religious shrines. This cease fire agreement was violated by Jordan, who did not allow Jews to visit holy sites under their control. The Jordanians also bulldozed every synagoge in the city. They turned a Jewish cemetary into a hotel, and used the gravestones in their latrines. Israel has allowed individuals of all religions into Jerusalem, protected holy sites, and demonstrated its fitness to control the city. Also, I should point out that Islam is not centered in Jerusalem, but has holy sites there. The home of Islam is Mecca, where all Muslims should make a pilgramage (the hajj). Unlike Israeli Jerusalem, Jews and Christians are not allowed in Saudi Mecca. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 4030,4,"From: c60b-3jl@web-3h.berkeley.edu (James Wang) Subject: Re: Calling all Mac gurus Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3h.berkeley.edu In article <1qvs9t$q3f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Charles P. Cox, Jr. writes: >Question for those familiar with Quadra VRAM: >I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the >RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. I have been told that >the built-in video should support at least 16bit and maybe 24bit color on >a Macintosh Color Display. However, the Monitors control panel still >lists 8bit (256 colors) as the highest possible. the Q700 will only do 8bit or 24bit color. if you want the higher color depth, it's 2MB's of VRAM altogether for a monitor up to 16"". for a 21"" monitor, you can get 8bit max. hope this answers your questions. James Wang. " 4031,5,"From: ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) Subject: Key definitions in Emacs + X Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics Lines: 42 Hi. I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? By the way, I've checked the X-FAQ and posted a similar message to gnu.emacs.help to no response. Currently I have the following in my .emacs file (inside a 'cond'): ((string-match ""^xterm"" (getenv ""TERM"")) ;; done by aj 8/92. I don't know what most of this does... (defvar xterm-map (make-sparse-keymap) ""Keymap for xterm special keys"") (define-key esc-map ""["" 'xterm-prefix) (fset 'xterm-prefix xterm-map) ;;Keys F1 to F12 (define-key xterm-map ""224z"" 'goto-line) ;F1 (define-key xterm-map ""225z"" 'what-line) ;F2 (define-key xterm-map ""226z"" 'rmail) ;F3 (define-key xterm-map ""227z"" 'replace-string) ;F4 (define-key xterm-map ""228z"" 'end-of-line) ;F5 (define-key xterm-map ""229z"" 'kill-line) ;F6 (define-key xterm-map ""230z"" 'yank) ;F7 (define-key xterm-map ""231z"" 'beginning-of-line);F8 (define-key xterm-map ""232z"" 'end-of-line) ;F9 (define-key xterm-map ""192z"" 'scroll-down) ;F11 (define-key xterm-map ""193z"" 'scroll-up) ;F12 ;;Keys F10, up, down, etc. ??????? can't get the keys (define-key xterm-map ""-1z"" 'set-mark-command)) ) -- Andrew Jaffe ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu Dep't of Astronomy and Astrophysics, U. Chicago 5640 S. Ellis Ave (312) 702-6041 Chicago, IL 60637-1433 (312) 702-8212 FAX " 4032,14,"Subject: Re: Surviving Large Accelerations? From: lpham@eis.calstate.edu (Lan Pham) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 25 Amruth Laxman writes: > Hi, > I was reading through ""The Spaceflight Handbook"" and somewhere in > there the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them > when and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to > the sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he > estimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not > be a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published > in 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very > long-winded but here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in > fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of > course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration? > Can this be extended to larger accelerations? are you sure 45g is the right number? as far as i know, pilots are blackout in dives that exceed 8g - 9g. 45g seems to be out of human tolerance. would anybody clarify this please. lan > > Thanks is advance... > -Amruth Laxman > " 4033,18,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, 3/23 Article-I.D.: genesis.1pqfbd$e6b Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article <1pprtvINNctl@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes: >arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: > >>In article <1993Apr1.164804.1105@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@k2 (Scott Babb) writes: >>>Jack Schmidling (arf@genesis.MCS.COM) wrote: >>>: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (Jonathan A. Cook ) writes: >>>: : > >[...] > >>>Why do you restrict your condemnation of racial strife to Israel? >>>Do the situations in Bosnia, Tibet, China, etc. not merit your comment? > >>As far as I am aware, we have not sent close to $100 billion dollars to > ^^^ > Let's not exaggerate. I notice you did not offer an alternative number. Try this one on for size..... by the year 2000, American taxpayers will have given Israel one dollar for every star in the Milky Way Galaxy. I will let you look up the number. " 4034,1,"From: arp@cooper!osd (Andrew Pinkowitz) Subject: SIGGRAPH -- Conference on Understanding Images Keywords: graphics animation nyc acm siggraph Organization: Online Systems Development ( NY, NY) Lines: 140 ====================================================================== NYC ACM/SIGGRAPH: UNDERSTANDING IMAGES ====================================================================== SUBJECT: Pace University/SIGGRAPH Conference on UNDERSTANDING IMAGES =========================================================== The purpose of this conference is to bring together a breadth of disciplines, including the physical, biological and computational sciences, technology, art, psychology, philosophy, and education, in order to define and discuss the issues essential to image understanding within the computer graphics context. FEATURED TOPICS INCLUDE: Psychology/Perception Image Analysis Design Text Sound Philosophy DATE: Friday & Saturday, 21-22 May 1993 TIME: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm PLACE: The Pace Downtown Theater One Pace Plaza (on Spruce Street between Park Row & Gold Street) NY, NY 10038 FEES: PRE-REGISTRATION (Prior to 1 May 1993): Members $55.00 Non-Members $75.00 Students $40.00 (Proof of F/T Status Required) REGISTRATION (After 1 May 1993 or On-Site): All Attendees $95.00 (Registration Fee Includes Brakfast, Breaks & Lunch) SEND REGISTRATION INFORMATION & FEES TO: Dr. Francis T. Marchese Computer Science Department NYC/ACM SIGGRAPH Conference Pace University 1 Pace Plaza (Room T-1704) New York NY 10036 voice: (212) 346-1803 fax: (212) 346-1933 email: MARCHESF@PACEVM.bitnet ====================================================================== REGISTRATION INFORMATION: Name _________________________________________________________________ Title ________________________________________________________________ Company ______________________________________________________________ Street Address _______________________________________________________ City ________________________________State____________Zip_____________ Day Phone (___) ___-____ Evening Phone (___) ___-____ FAX Phone (___) ___-____ Email_____________________________________ ====================================================================== DETAILED DESCRIPTION: ===================== Artists, designers, scientists, engineers and educators share the problem of moving information from one mind to another. Traditionally, they have used pictures, words, demonstrations, music and dance to communicate imagery. However, expressing complex notions such as God and infinity or a seemingly well defined concept such as a flower can present challenges which far exceed their technical skills. The explosive use of computers as visualization and expression tools has compounded this problem. In hypermedia, multimedia and virtual reality systems vast amounts of information confront the observer or participant. Wading through a multitude of simultaneous images and sounds in possibly unfamiliar representions, a confounded user asks: ""What does it all mean?"" Since image construction, transmission, reception, decipherment and ultimate understanding are complex tasks, strongly influenced by physiology, education and culture; and, since electronic media radically amplify each processing step, then we, as electronic communicators, must determine the fundamental paradigms for composing imagery for understanding. Therefore, the purpose of this conference is to bring together a breadth of disciplines, including, but not limited to, the physical, biological and computational sciences, technology, art, psychology, philosophy, and education, in order to define and discuss the issues essential to image understanding within the computer graphics context. FEATURED SPEAKERS INCLUDE: Psychology/Perception: Marc De May, University of Ghent Beverly J. Jones, University of Oregon Barbara Tversky, Standfor University Michael J. Shiffer, MIT Tom Hubbard, Ohio State University Image Analysis: A. Ravishankar Rao, IBM Watson Research Center Nalini Bhusan, Smith College Xiaopin Hu, University of Illinois Narenda Ahuja, University of Illinois Les M. Sztander, University of Toledo Design: Mark Bajuk, University of Illinois Alyce Kaprow, MIT Text: Xia Lin, Pace University John Loustau, Hunter College Jong-Ding Wang, Hunter College Judson Rosebush, Judson Rosebush Co. Sound: Matthew Witten, University of Texas Robert Wyatt, Center for High Performance Computing Robert S. Williams, Pace University Rory Stuart, NYNEX Philosophy Michael Heim, Education Foundation of DPMA ====================================================================== " 4035,14,"From: games@max.u.washington.edu Subject: SSTO Senatorial (aide) breifing recollections. Article-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.125512.1 Distribution: world Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu The following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly had with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays. We were there to discuss SSTO, and commercial space. This is how it went... After receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO, I called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty Murray, Washington State. I started asking for an hour, and when I heard the gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1/2 an hour. Later in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes. We got the standard bozo treatment. That is, we were called back by an aide, who scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not bozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to make sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material. Well, I got allocated 1/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking to him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening. We covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific. Most of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer. There was another woman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that we brought up. But, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate aligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space. So, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to LEO. Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming feasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that. We hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism paper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the atmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog over L.A. We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is more pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to understanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis. We hit the education whereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that they havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other fields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday would provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed. We hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business angle. We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal communicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc... Jobs provided in those sectors. Jobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc.. We mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs. We left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order to make this even easier to do. And he asked questions on this point. We ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are proceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the results from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan), and most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along the lines of lowering the cost to LEO. In the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data Purchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it. He asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it, and contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually happen immediatly there. The last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we knew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they could feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know the answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who really did know the answers. Then finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself. He said that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this would be something that she would be very interested in, although they do have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the state 1 week out of 6 these days. All in all we felt like we did a pretty good job. John. " 4036,14,"From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings) Subject: Re: Soviet space book Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 13 I have received my copies of Cosmonautics 1990 and Cosmonautics 1991, as well as Soviet Space 1990 and Space Station [MIR] Handbook from Aerospace Ambassadors with no problem. I'm getting ready to FAX them some material in Huntsville, and I'll include a printout of your inquiry. ____________________________________________________________ | George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | | Space Science Teacher 72407.22@compuserve.com | If it's not | Mathematics & Science Center STAREACH BBS: 804-343-6533 | FUN, it's | 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | probably not | Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | SCIENCE! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 4037,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 26 In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >>In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that >> ^^^^^ >>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? > >>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. > >I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several >different news groups, including something along the lines of >alt.discrimination. Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination. Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted to two of those three (omitting soc.motss). Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer the question posed? If your statement is so ""beign""(!?), you should have no trouble politely responding to a polite query. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 4038,16,"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: Questions to Ponder Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 62 The Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus in Fort Collins, Colorado, submitted this as a questionnaire to the city council candidates in the upcoming election. As expected, very few of the candidates (3 of 13) responded, but they know we're watching. Feel free to use any and all of these questions that strike your fancy or use them as inspiration for your own. ***** 1. Would you be willing to state, in writing, that if you are publicly demonstrated to have violated your oath of office you would resign and never run for office again? 2. Under what circumstances do the rights of the group come before the rights of the individual? 3. Would you support a city charter amendment prohibiting the city government, its officials, agents, and employees from initiating force against any human being for any reason? 4. Please put the following list in order of precedence (from lowest to highest): a) city ordinance, b) city resolution, c) state law, d) federal statute, e) U.S. Constitution, f) state constitution. 5. Do you believe that it's appropriate for any city official or employee to be paid more than his or her average private sector constituent? 6. Do you believe that involuntary contributions are a legitimate means of funding council programs? 7. Would you support a program recognizing the right of taxpayers to ""earmark"" their taxes (either as ""must be used"" or ""must not be used"") for specific programs? 8. In the event that the candidate ""None of the Above"" were to win a city election, which option do you believe most appropriate? a) The candidate with the next highest vote total fills the office. b) A special election is held to fill the office, with none of the previous candidates eligible to run again. c) Let the office remain unfilled and unfunded until the next election. d) Abolish the office. Please return your questionnaire to: [address of your choice] A signature and date line were added here. Thank you for taking the time to fill out this questionnaire. ****** The questionnaires were sent with self-addressed, stamped envelopes. P.S. One person _did_ get a perfect score on the questionnaire, and, no, he didn't help write it. Cathy Smith My opinions are, of course, my own. " 4039,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Atheists and Hell Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 26 Hello, I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy... 1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. 2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death is unfair. I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad enough. Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements as metaphorical. Alan Terlep ""...and the scorpion says, 'it's Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"" atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu Rushing in where angels fear to tread. --Jody " 4040,5,"From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Subject: Re: Colormaps and Window Managers Organization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: isolar.tujunga.ca.us Keywords: twm tvtwm InstallWindowColormaps In article <1993Apr15.155255.27034@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes: >In article , das+@cs.cmu.edu (David Simon) writes: > >>Can some one please explain to me why the following piece of code >>causes twm (or tvtwm) to dump core [...] > >>In particular, I am interested in knowing whether this behavior is >>caused by a bug in my reasoning, or if it is a bug in twm. > >If *anything* a client does causes twm to dump core, it's a bug in twm. >Window managers should never *ever* crash. Would if only it were true ... If only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm ""InstallWindowColormaps()"" crash bug once and for all, then I could say that I've (almost) unable to crash either ""twm"" or ""tvtwm"", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to boot. I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ... Now *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 ""xnews"" server at will? Just do an 'xbiff -xrm ""XBiff*shapeWindow: on""'. Blammo.) -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle " 4041,1,"From: lmp8913@rigel.tamu.edu (PRESTON, LISA M) Subject: Another CVIEW question (was CView answers) Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rigel.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Has anybody gotten CVIEW to work in 32k or 64k color mode on a Trident 8900c hi-color card? At best the colors come out screwed up, and at worst the program hangs. I loaded the VESA driver, and the same thing happens on 2 different machines. If it doesn't work on the Trident, does anybody know of a viewer that does? Thanx! LISA " 4042,6,"Subject: CD's For Sale From: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 19 Hi! I have the following 2 CD's for sale. These are absolutely new and in the original packing. Artist Album Original Sale Price Price Madonna The Immaculate Collection $19.95+ $11.95 Pet Shop Boys Discography $19.95 $11.95 If you are interested, pls. contact me at: parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu Thanks. -M. Parikh " 4043,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 16 In <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes: >There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, >this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. Yes, and I do everyone else. Why, you may wonder, don't I do 'Fred'? Well, that would just be too *obvious*, wouldn't it? Oh yeah, this isn't my real name, either. I'm actually Elvis. Or maybe a lemur; I sometimes have difficulty telling which is which. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 4044,3,"From: rcbear@central (Rupert C. Young) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 Future Plans Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: central.mit.edu In article <1qttufINN5dr@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> from [19 Apr 1993 10:12:31 GMT] you wrote: |> In article <1993Apr13.000531.25096@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes: |> >In article <1q0n5pINN60m@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen) writes: |> > |> >>To sum up, when an accelerated board with 4MB VRAM (True Colour 1280x1024) |> >>AND A FAST VGA SIDE is available under $500, I will buy one. SuperMac just announced a new line of PC accelerated cards that do 1024x768 in 24bit color. They start at $999 retail. I don't think your wait will be very long. -Rupert " 4045,6,"Subject: Price quote wanted From: sam.halperin@cccbbs.UUCP (Sam Halperin) Reply-To: sam.halperin@cccbbs.UUCP (Sam Halperin) Distribution: world Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055 Lines: 46 From: sam.halperin@cccbbs.uceng 486 DX 50 mHz in Zero Insertion Force Socket Empty over-drive socket EISA motherboard with 256k cache -->2 32 bit EISA Slots -->2 32 bit VESA local bus slots -->4 16 bit ISA slots 8 MB 70ns RAM -->8 SIMMS sockets filled with 1mb strips (0 sockets open) 32 bit EISA IDE hard drive controller 330 Meg IDE hard disk drive w/ 64k cache (12ms) Diamond Viper Weitek 9000 VESA local bus graphics card w/ 2mb 15"" MAG MX15F monitor 2 Serial(NS16550AFN UART), 1 parralell & 1 game ports Full tower case -->250 Watt power supply -->5 X 5.25"" bays -->2 X 3.5"" bays -->2 X Hard Drive bays 1.2MB 5.25"" & 1.33MB 3.5"" Floppy Drives Enhanced 101 key keyboard Hi-Resolution 400 DPI Serial Mouse MS DOS 5.0 and MS Windows 3.1 or newer AMI BIOS Joint Data Motherboard 30 Day Money Back Gaurantee Unconditional 2 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime Labor Warranty One year Nationwide on site service This system is currently availble from Comtrade, the company that won some of the highest (over dell, gateway and IBM) awards in recent PC magazine reviews. Your price must be highly competitive, without sacrificing any of the quality standards listed above. PLEASE RESPOND TO sam.halperin@cccbbs.uceng VIA E-MAIL " 4046,18,"From: tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Article-I.D.: lynx.1993Apr15.222023.1521 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 10 In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: > >So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the >evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights. I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite sufficient. Tom " 4047,9,"From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Subject: Request for AL stats.... Reply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 4 Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them? K--> " 4048,14,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 28 msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: >Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to >me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American >has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil >Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. >Same person? No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory. Maybe in the 24th century they could do gamma ray spectroscopy on distant asteroids with an orbiting observatory, but here in the primitive 20th we have to send a probe there to get gamma ray spectroscopy done. >Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Information! ... We want information!"" >utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner You have the info on Mayan Television yet? >This article is in the public domain. -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 4049,7,"From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au Subject: Aussie needs info on car shows Reply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Organization: University of South Australia Lines: 54 Hi from Australia, I am a car enthusiast in Australia. I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the 1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM. I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993. Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6 Denver: Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9 Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21 Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24 Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27 Las Vegas, Nevada: Friday May 28- Sunday May 30 Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1 Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9 Reno: Thursday June 10 San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13 I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period. Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year? Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections, your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated! I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models). I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is: 1968-1970 AMX 1968-1974 Javelin 1969 SCRAMBLER 1970 Rebel Machine and others If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them, tell me, I will be interested. I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if you are interested. Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Thanks, John Tsimbinos " 4050,18,"From: garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) Subject: Haiti AIDS/HIV IMMIGRANTS Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 23 In case you missed it on the news....the first 16 Haitians of many that tested positive for HIV and were being held on a base in Cuba have been flown to the U.S. Further a U.S. judge has ruled that they must receive medical treatment or be returned to a place where they could receive same. So guess what folks, we taxpayers get to pick up the tab (just as you might have expected) for people who have never contributed a dime to the U.S. society. I think this government has its priorities ALL SCREWED UP. If they want to help Haitians....how about removing the illegal government, how about giving them development aid? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to waste resources on dying non-citizens who will never be productive in either this country or their own. It does not make sense when the same resources applied or even just plain given to poor people in Haiti could significantly help 100 people in Haiti per 1 AIDS-infected non-citizen immigrant. " 4051,9,"From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Organization: Sun Lines: 6 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: maredsous In article <1993Apr5.173500.26383@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: %I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries. Next %season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing. That goes for any bitching %ball player. Stay in school. You have a lot to learn. " 4052,2,"From: peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam) Subject: Beta testers required for winsock version of Windows Trumpet Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania Lines: 11 Contact me for details. peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.Tattam International Phone 61-02-202346 Programmer, Psychology Department Australia Phone 002-202346 University of Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4053,2,"From: mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) Subject: Re: Help: Importing .EPS files into Word 2.0 Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory Lines: 32 jburke@abacus.bates.edu (jburke) writes: >I was wondering if anyone knew how to view a .EPS in Ms Word 2.0a.. >Here are the first couple of lines if it helps... >%!PS-Adobe-3.0 >%%Creator: ProWrite >%%Title: TCWN >%%Orientation: Portrait >%%Pages: 12 >%%PageOrder: Ascend >Can any one Help? >________________________________________________________________________ >| James Burke | By reading this you agree not to hold | >| | the writer responsible for any evil | >| jburke@abacus.bates.edu | happening that may befall you at any time. | >------------------------------------------------------------------------ We had a similar problem in converting a .EPS file. The solution was simple. We changed the first line from %!PS-Adobe-3.0 to %!PS-Adobe-2.0 This fouled the converter, the .EPS file only contained very simple move and draw statements. Mario -- Mario Veraart TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl The Hague The Netherlands ""If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, and don't talk about performance"", David Bailey " 4054,2,"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Keywords: ms-windows Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 46 In article Jesse writes: >hi, > Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would >know if ms-windows is a ""mature"" OS. > > Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why >they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft [Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...] >Jesse >e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu Hmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of those endless threads 'Mac Vs Win"" and might even end up as ""OS/2 Vs Win"". Well, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which case that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge... First of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try to use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and shareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself thought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace- ment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will even change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan does that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do that, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda hard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not paying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet story ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM's icons not correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :).. PM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your settings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities from cica that supposedly give you a 'Mac feel'... I dont wanna get in the discussion which is a better system: Mac's are good in their own way -- they are _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing this from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) ) By all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under the pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac's OS on a PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )... Just trying to avoid another Mac-Win war... -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu " 4055,8,"From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21 Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Chuck Kuczaj (csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com) wrote: : mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes: : : McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic : polishing compound which really work great as well. A useful tip. How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ? The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals. Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic. I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny finish ? Anyone any ideas. thanks tony -- Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant) CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121 " 4056,4,"From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens) Subject: Re: HD Setup Partition (Was: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610??? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm422 Organization: Bell-Northern Research Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.143516.17221@urbana.mcd.mot.com>, feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman) wrote: > > > Now if I can figure out if there's any hope using the ""partition"" button > on the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?), > then maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more > securly. The ""getting more information"" section of the manual suggested > trying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn't mention the net. > -- > Mike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550 > 1101 East University Avenue Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009 > Urbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com The Partition button in Apple's HD Setup lets you set up A/UX and other types of partitions. It WON'T let you create more than one normal mac volume. You need SilverLining or something similar to do that. It WILL, however, allow you to take advantage of some possible unused space on your hard disk, if you don't mind reformatting the whole thing. Chris Ellens ellens@bnr.ca " 4057,10,"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) wrote: > > > Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... > > It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network > television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on > WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! > > It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the > tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame ""highlights""!!! > You think that's bad? I'm in Bowling Green, OH, and we get ABC from Toledo. Well, the cable co. decided to totally pre-empt the game (no tape delay, no nothing) for a stupid telethon! Hockey is very big around here, too. I had to listen to ""my"" Penguins win on my car radio out in the parking lot. I can just be thankful for a strong radio because being 230 miles from Pittsburgh, the reception usually isn't good at all. I can't believe I picked it up during the middle of the day. George " 4058,14,"From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu In article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: > Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure >that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it. >Any comments? Sure. Why keep using oil? A hydrogen/electric economy would likely be cleaner and more efficient in the long run. The laws of supply and demand should get the transition underway before we reach a critical stage of shortage. -- Matthew DeLuca Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew Internet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu " 4059,6,"From: frosty@world.std.com (Robert J Nunez) Subject: !!! IBM Games For Sale !!! Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 62 I would like to sell some software. Shipping is $3 per order - 1 or more games in the continental U.S. $6 to Canada. Contact me for shipping to other locations. Contraption Zack $20 Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging A 3-D puzzle game with great animated graphics. Your tools for fixing up a manufacturing plant are hidden throughout the levels and you must solve puzzles to get the tools and then use the tools to fix the machines. The levels are HUGE and span many screens. The graphics are cartoony and humorous. (256 color VGA,MCGA, AdLib,Soundblaster,Roland,3.5"") Legend of Kyrandia $30 Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging An adventure where you are the unknowing heir to the throne of the kingdom of Kyrandia. An evil jester has murdered your parents, the king and queen, and attempted to take control of the kingdom, only to be thwarted by a spell cast upon him by your grandfather and three other magic users. You must travel to find each of the magic users to gain use of an amulet that will help you to defeat the jester. Beautiful graphics and a great soundtrack. (VGA,MCGA, Adlib,Sound Blaster,SoundBlaster Pro,MT-32/LAPC-1,3.5"") Spirit of Excalibur by Virgin Mastertronic $15 Good condition. All docs/disks/packaging. A fantasy game combining Role-Playing, adventure, and combat simulation. You are the Heir to the throne of Britain after Arthur has died. You must re-unite the land under your rule and then defend it against an invading army from the north. (EGA, Tandy, MCGA, VGA, Sound cards, 5.25"") Loom $15 Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging. Received a Computer Gaming World Award for Artistic achievement. An adventure game where you play the role of a young weaver of musical spells. You must save your fellow weavers from oblivion by traveling through the land, casting spells, learning new spells befriending people you meet, and foiling an evil plot. All point and click -- no typing. Every action in the game involves casting your musical spells. (VGA,EGA,CGA,MCGA,TANDY,AdLib,CMS sound, 5.25"") Dark Seed $35 Perfect condition, used very little. Unregistered & all docs/disks/ packaging. An adventure based on the surrealistic and macabre artwork of H.R. Giger -- the inspiration for Alien, Alien III, and Poltergeist II. You have just bought an old victorian house at a bargain in a secluded town. You find that there is a portal to a dark, sinister world in your house and a plot against the world as you know it. You must save yourself and your world from a horrible fate. Gorgeous and Gory high resolution graphics. (VGA,Adlib,SoundBlaster,3.5"") Conquest of Japan by Impressions $30 Brand new, used only once. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging. Simulation of Samurai conquest. You play the role of a Japanese Daimyo - a Lord. You control five cities on Japan's main island, Honshu. Each provides money for you to buy armies, with which you must conquer your enemy. Battles are fought with Impressions' Miniature System. You watch the individual Samurai, Mounted Samurai, Spearmen, Archers, and Arquebusiers. (VGA, Adlib, 3.5"" & 5.25"") " 4060,8,"From: erick@andr.UB.com (Eric A. Kilpatrick) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Nntp-Posting-Host: pixel.andr.ub.com Reply-To: erick@andr.UB.com Organization: Ungermann-Bass Inc./Andover, MA Lines: 7 Personally, I follow the no alcohol rule when I'm on a bike. My view is that you have to be in such a high degree of control that any alcohol could be potentially hazardous to my bike! If I get hurt it's my own fault, but I don't want to wreck my Katana. I developed this philosophy from an impromptu *experiment*. I had one beer at 6:00 in the evening and had volleyball practice at 7:00. I wasn't even close to leagle intoxication, but I couldn't perform even the most basic things until 8:30! This made me think about how I viewed alcohol and intoxication. You may seem fine, but your reactions may be affected such that you'll be unable to recover from hitting a rock or even just a gust of wind. I greatly enjoy social drinking but, for me, it just doesn't mix with riding. Max enjoyment! Eric " 4061,2,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: copy/move files in File Manager Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 25 In article rsc3e@orion.lib.Virginia.EDU (Scott Crittenden) writes: >My understanding is that, to copy files from one directory to another on >the same drive in File Manager (using a mouse), you hold down the CTRL key >while dragging the file from one directory's window to the other. This >works for me... about 98% of the time. The other 2%, the file gets >_moved_ rather than copied. Anybody else encountered this? ... I tried to respond by email, but all attempts bounced. The condition of the Ctrl key BEFORE you press the mouse button makes no difference whatsoever. You have to be holding the Ctrl key when you RELEASE the mouse button if you want to force a copy operation. Here's a simple experiment. Select a file and begin to drag it (no Ctrl key). Notice that the file's icon disappears from the listing window. Now watch what happens to that icon as you press and release the Ctrl key (keeping the mouse button pressed all the while). In addition, the icon that you are dragging will show a ""+"" while you are holding the Ctrl key, indicating that the file is being copied rather than moved. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 4062,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr17.160731.3178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) writes: >nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes: >: >: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH >: >: (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training >: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military >> >Alaa Zeineldine While you brought up the separate question of Israel's unjustified policies and practices, I am still unclear about your reaction to the practices and polocies reflected in the article above. Tim " 4063,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Its entire Muslim population had been slaughtered by the Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 31 Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 19 (first paragraph) ""The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."" p. 22 (second paragraph) ""Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers. We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives. Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution in Russia was suppressed."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 4064,17,"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES >|> > >|> >|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... >|> >|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets >|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. >|> >|> Esin. > > >Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; > >ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE >WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS >tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant posting claims) 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) next time read and learn before you post. Esin. " 4065,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 3: Defensemen (21-45) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 85 #21 PETER AHOLA Season: 2nd Acquired: '92-93, trade with Pittsburgh for future considerations Grade: I (B) It is way too early to tell about Ahola, who was acquired probably because the Penguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft. Ahola had only played 50 games this season (I think it's actually less; the San Jose Mercury News may be in err here), 20 of them with the Sharks. In the games he has played, he appeared quite solid defensively, although he hasn't been spectacular, and his offense isn't anything to write home about (8 points); it's even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn out to be ... Peter Ahola. #24 DOUG WILSON Season: 16th Acquired: '91-92, trade with Chicago for RW Kerry Toporowski and 2nd round pick in '92 entry draft Grade: I (B) I have often been accused of overly down on Wilson; I may have had too high expectations for him, but his legs, knees, et al., are giving out. Nevertheless, when he was playing, he exhibited a strong shooting and playmaking abilities, even if he has lost a step on defense, which, unfortunately, he demonstrated this year as well, as at times he was slow to catch the opponent forwards, and his offensive output was only good enough for 2nd place on the team (20 points in 42 games). But next year, which may be Wilson's last, if he can stay healthy, he can still be a contributor. #29 DEAN KOLSTAD Season: 2nd Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (C-/D+) It's probably somewhat unfair for me to judge Kolstad on just a handful of games (forgetting exact number, but no more than 15), but at age 25 he's quickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the NHL. In those games, he did not impress anyone; after generating 7 shots in the first period of the first game he played, he scored just 2 points in his tenure up here with the Sharks, and was even less impressive defensively, as he appeared awkward with his movement and was prone to giveaways. He needs to make a leap in his level of performance to have any chance of making the team. #38 PAT MACLEOD Season: 2nd Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (?) MacLeod was on the roster a lot longer than Kolstad, but it appears to my memory that he played less than Kolstad, because the Sharks were reluctant to use him, but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors, figuring that he wouldn't clear waivers; in fact, he has played the past 4-5 weeks with Kansas City, but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment, a ""rehab assignment"" that will include him playing in the Turner Cup playoffs. Since he has played so little, I can't even give a tentative grade on him, but he demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive skills. #41 TOM PEDERSON Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (B+) Called up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated by injuries, Pederson impressed many Sharks fan here on net, including yours truly. He demonstrated very good offensive skills, scoring 20 points in 43 games. However, his size (5' 9"", 165 lbs.) is of concern, and soon after he began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically, on both sides of the ice, although he had appeared fearless in his approach. But to be successful, he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance on surviving against some of the bigger players in the league. #45 CLAUDIO SCREMIN Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (D+/D) He played all of ~5 games in the league this year, but was thoroughly umimpressive, just as he was at the end of last season; again, it may be a small sample, but just as in the case of Kolstad, Scremin, at age 25, is quickly running out of time. He was not a contributor on either offense or defense in the games he played with the Sharks. The only notable thing that will go down in Scremin's entry of league stats is probably the fact that he was once traded for now Capitals goaltender Don Beaupre. =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 4066,8,"From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich) Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Distribution: rec Organization: If I were organized, why would I be reading News? Lines: 49 Nntp-Posting-Host: verbosa In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: % % Request for opinions: % % Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? % Like most everyone else, I ended up getting two different sizes for the top and bottom. My top is a 46L and the bottom is a 48L. For the bottom, the waist is far too large, but the thighs fit just right (the 46 had a better waist, but cut off the circulation in my legs, I have large, muscular thighs, and no, I didn't use the thighmaster to get them :-). The jacket fits me ok in the chest, slightly snug at the waist, and too small in the arms. I can't imagine finding a one-piece size that would have fit correctly, as even the 2 piece has it's problems (strange, since my V-Pilot jacket fits great all over, and when I tried the matching pants, they fit like a glove as well). I can only assume the models Aero Design uses to design its suits are in some way different from us real folks. Also, even though it's related to convienience, you look pretty damn wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands. I've gotten some really suspicious looks, and sweated a lot while in a store wearing the whole suit, since you can't fit the top and bottom in any motorcycle storage device yet devised (except the trunk in my sidecar rig :-). With the two piece, I unzip the pants (I generally leave the two pieces zipped together, primarily because the pants fall down unless I pull the cheesy elastic belt-type band real tight), stuff them in one of my spacious BMW saddlebags (the pants just fit), and run errands just wearing the jacket. Actually, if I know I'll be running errands, I just wear my V-Pilot jacket, but that's just me... As far as crash protection, I'd say that both suits are probably equal. It seems that for weather protection, if anything the 2 piece provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by 3 inches. The 2 piece is probably a little less comfortable around the waist, just because of the extra layer of stuff, but maybe not. So I'd have to vote for the two piece. Despite the slightly odd fit, I still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing I own. Wouldn't go long distance without it. Ken Wallich ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken -- Ken Wallich ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken " 4067,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: :mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: : :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day :> in Texas. : :Do YOU eat all your food cold? Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor. Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 4068,17,"From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) Subject: Re: Who should be spied on... Keywords: hypocritical pig Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 49 In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >> >>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>>>of those files. >>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? >> >>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer >>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? >> >>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war >>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is >>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals >>only a few years ago. >> > >The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*. > >Let me see...you're saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS should be >spied on? You're also saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS >should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US, >as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in >which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume >that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses >a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on? Like it or not, Edward, Anwar has a very good, valid point. Obviously, in presenting it, he (quite legitimately and deliberately) takes a point of view to an extreme which might not have been what you intended, but that is one of the best ways to demonstrate a ""slippery slope"" type of argument, which I believe was his aim. I very frankly believe that the ADL will be proved innocent in this case. I doubt there's enough evidence to weigh against them even in a civil court, where preponderance of the evidence, not evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, is the standard for ""winning"" such a case. That, however, does not prevent me from seeing the merit in Anwar's point. Rest deleted. -- ""How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee."" -Tim Rice,""Chess"" Eric S. Perlman Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder " 4069,8,"From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) Subject: Route Suggestions? Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: usa Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time conflict :'^{ ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in Knoxville. I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee. I would be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that you would consider ""must ride"" while on the way to Knoxville. I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM on 5/25. That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on the way. By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the ride down, let me know. I'll be heading east afterward to visit family, but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally. Depending on weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip. From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg, 55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions for these areas would be of great interest also. Many thanks for your ideas, Enjoy, --- Steve Bunis, Sun Microsystems ***DoD #0795*** 93-ST1100 Itasca, IL ***AMA #682049*** 78-KZ650 (ARE YOU SURE THIS IS APRIL?????? B^| ) " 4070,1,"From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) Subject: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 6 This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. I have one that works right now, but its very slow. Could anyone point me to one, pref in ASM that is fairly well documented and flexible? Thanx, //Lucas. " 4071,8,"Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 11 In article <3aX42B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) wrote: > > It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, [...] Hey they even > had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find accesssories for. I second that. They even had sprockets for my R100rs - _very_ hard to find. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. " 4072,4,"From: bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) Subject: Can you share one monitor w/ 2 cpus? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu I have a Centris 610 & want to get an IBM machine as well. To save space on my desk, I would like to use one monitor for both, with a switch-box. Does anyone know of a way to do this? " 4073,11,"From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) Subject: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: Banzai Institute Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: mycroft.rand.org May as well look at one piece of this at a time. This paragraph: >To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the >Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new >devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the >government will be offered access to the confidential details of >the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report >their findings. means they aren't planning to make it public, as was done with DES. As it says in both sci.crypt FAQs, there's no way we are going to achieve the same level of comfort with Clipper that we finally have with DES if we can't actually get our hands on the bits and watch them flow around. Even the best experts aren't going to think of everything: look how long it took Biham and Shamir to get a handle on just how good DES is... and for all we know there's still more to learn. -- Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:10 " 4074,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Allegheny College In article jlroffma@unix.amherst.edu (JOSHUA LAWRENCE ROFFMAN) writes: > : >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up > : >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and > : >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know > : >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but > : >humor us. Thanks for your help. > : > > > John Lowenstein is definately NOT Jewish. Many in Baltimore thought he was... > especially after he told the Baltimore _Jewish Times_ so...but later he > admitted that it was a joke. Stanky is NOT Jewish, at least, I doubt it. A lot of jewish people don't have Jewish names. " 4075,19,"From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu In-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:26:04 GMT In article Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes: > Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians brought to > the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On the development > of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena to the study of Greek > religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can easly draw your own > conclusions. perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument? josh " 4076,3,"From: pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) Subject: Re: No 32-bit box on Gateway Nntp-Posting-Host: athansor Organization: not much... Lines: 20 I got this from GW2000: From: gateway@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer To: pastor@vfl.paramax.com Subject: Re: 32-bit disk access Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 14:26:45 EST Message-Id: <9303291426.tn05643@aol.com> Status: RO Jon - To get 32bit access in windows all you have to do is edit the system.ini... Look under the 386Enhanced section and add this line to it ""32bitdiskaccess=on""... This will give you the 32bitdiskaccess that you need... Thanks :) Regards, Scot Oehlerking (G2kScooter) Gateway 2000 " 4077,2,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Distribution: na X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 27 In article slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes: > > Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution > quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, > but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a > couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution > changed. I already have both video drivers that I need on my system, > so that isn't a problem. > > Thanks, > > Sean. > > --- > Sean L. Gilley > sean.l.gilley@att.com <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE! > 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w) > There is a shareware program called v-switch.zip. I don't remember if it is on wuarchive.wustl.edu or on ftp.cica.indiana.edu. It is easy to use and does the job with no problem. -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com " 4078,6,"From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250 Distribution: na Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 20 In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >>> 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250+shipping. If you like to pay $250 for the >>Please refer to 7870, he is selling $150 for that CPU. > >Correct. & $150 may be high now that AMD has started selling 486 clones! Indeed! Word is, Intel's lawsuit against AMD was absolutely THROWN OUT of court Monday! AMD said they would be shipping chips WITH THE INTEL INSTRUCTION SET next week!!! 486 chip prices are going to go through the floor, mark my words!!! Regards, Gordon. -- WATERS,CLYDE GORDON-BME '93-Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta Ga. ""Out of the mountain of despair, we can hew the stone of hope""- MLK Jr. uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0869a Internet: gt0869a@prism.gatech.edu " 4079,2,"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) Subject: moving icons Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry Organization: Private System Lines: 9 I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 4080,6,"From: tchen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tsung-Kun Chen) Subject: ** Software forsale (lots) ** Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University **** This is a post for my friend, You can either call **** **** him J.K Lee (614)791-0748 or Drop me a mail **** Distribution: usa Lines: 39 1. Software publishing SuperBase 4 windows v.1.3 --->$80 2. OCR System ReadRight v.3.1 for Windows --->$65 3. OCR System ReadRight v.2.01 for DOS --->$65 4. Unregistered Zortech 32 bit C++ Compiler v.3.1 --->$ 250 with Multiscope windows Debugger, WhiteWater Resource Toolkit, Library Source Code 5. Glockenspiel/ImageSoft Commonview 2 Windows Applications Framework for Borland C++ --->$70 6. Spontaneous Assembly Library With Source Code --->$50 7. Microsoft Macro Assembly 6.0 --->$50 8. Microsoft Windows v.3.1 SDK Documentation --->$125 9. Microsoft FoxPro V.2.0 --->$75 10. WordPerfect 5.0 Developer's Toolkit --->$20 11. Kedwell Software DataBoss v.3.5 C Code Generator --->$100 12. Kedwell InstallBoss v.2.0 Installation Generator --->$35 13. Liant Software C++/Views v.2.1 Windows Application Framework with Source Code --->$195 14. IBM OS/2 2.0 & Developer's Toolkit --->$95 15. CBTree DOS/Windows Library with Source Code --->$120 16. Symantec TimeLine for Windows --->$90 17. TimeSlip TimeSheet Professional for Windows --->$30 Many More Software/Books Available,Price Negotiable " 4081,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <93103.170753U28037@uic <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Lines: 73 In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) says: > [stuff deleted. all mine] >Define ""armed better"". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the >Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which >faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other >guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson >in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to Aw come on. It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s anyways) :-) >3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops >like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something >often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful). > >A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber. > [stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos] All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as I am not really familiar enough with handguns. >Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly >switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having >accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks >require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex >as the timer on a VCR. Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun >the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter >and pay attention. I do not seek here to say ""semi-autos are junk"" >merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop >with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than >equipped for anything short of a riot. > Actually I don't watch those shows :-) And you're right (at least partially). I don't know much about handguns. I'm more familiar with rifles. >Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a >wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything. >Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit. >I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon >to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit >what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously >wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those >extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in >criminal encounters is less than 5. > >What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple >.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police >prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway..... > >ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they > introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking > as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal. > >-- >""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" > -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. No flames here. All your points are well taken. Guess I still have a lot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-) Guess I assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of thing. Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-) Jason " 4082,16,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 27 >>Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration >>of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for >>gun owners. > > The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are >significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* >and *making rules for ownership*. > > The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this >have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and >have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are >never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for >a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, >Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun >owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the >numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that >intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of >the next person who comes down the pike with a ""reasonable"" suggestion >they've already seen abused. Gun safety classes sound good in theory, but they kind of remind me of the ""literacy tests"" used in the bad old days to keep blacks from voting. They came with the ""grandfather clause"": if your grandfather could vote, you could vote. Sort of like the gun safety laws that only let the political ass-kissers have guns. Doug Holland " 4083,13,"From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) Subject: sudden numbness in arm Organization: UTCC Lines: 30 I experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning. Just after I completed my 4th set of deep squats. Today was my weight training day and I was just beginning my routine. All of a sudden at the end of the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep. It was cold, turned pale, and lost 60% of its strength. The weight I used for squats wasn't that heavy, I was working hard but not at 100% effort. I waited for a few minutes, trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with chest exercises (flyes) with lighter dumbells than I normally use. But I dropped the left dumbell during the first set, and experienced continued arm weakness into the second. So I quit training and decided not to do my usual hour on the ski machine either. I'll take it easy for the rest of the day. My arm is *still* somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal -- my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb. Color has returned to normal and it is no longer cold. Horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through my brain. I'm 34, vegetarian, and pretty fit from my daily exercise regimen. So that can't be it. Could a pinched nerve from the bar cause these symptoms (I hope)? Has this happened to anyone else? Nothing like this has ever happened to me before. Does it come with age? Thanks, Tom -- Tom Molnar Unix Systems Group, University of Toronto Computing & Communications. " 4084,14,"From: PPORTH@hq.nasa.gov (""Tricia Porth (202"") Subject: Remote Sensing Data X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 137 ================================================================= I am posting this for someone else. Please respond to the address listed below. Please also excuse the duplication as this message has been crossposted. Thanks! ================================================================= REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET NASA is planning to expand the domain of users of its Earth and space science data. This effort will: o Use the evolving infrastructure of the U.S. Global Change Research Program including the Mission To Planet Earth (MTPE) and the Earth Observing System Data and Information System (EOSDIS) Programs. o Use the Internet, particularly the High Performance Computing and Communications Program's NREN (National Research and Education Network), as a means of providing access to and distribution of science data and images and value added products. o Provide broad access to and utilization of remotely sensed images in cooperation with other agencies (especially NOAA, EPA, DOE, DEd, DOI/USGS, and USDA). o Support remote sensing image and data users and development communities. The user and development communities to be included (but not limited to) as part of this effort are educators, commercial application developers (e.g., television weather forecasters), librarians, publishers, agriculture specialists, transportation, forestry, state and local government planners, and aqua business. This program will be initiated in 1994. Your assistance is requested to identify potential applications of remote sensing images and data. We would like your ideas for potential application areas to assist with development of the Implementation Plan. PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. We are seeking your ideas in these areas: (1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images; (2) Potential noncommercial use of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas; (3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data more accessible; (4) Additional points of contacts for ideas; and (5) Addresses and names from whom to request proposals. For your convenience, a standard format for responses is included below. Feel free to amend it as necessary. Either e-mail or fax your responses to us by May 5, 1993. E-MAIL: On Internet ""rsdwg@orion.ossa.hq.nasa.gov"" ASCII - No binary attachments please FAX: Ernie Lucier, c/o RSDWG, NASA HQ, FAX 202-358-3098 Survey responses in the following formats may also be placed in the FTP directory ~ftp/pub/RSDWG on orion.nasa.gov. Please indicate the format. Acceptable formats are: Word for Windows 2.X, Macintosh Word 4.X and 5.X, and RTF. ----------------------------RESPONSE FORMAT-------------------------- REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET (1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images (if possible, identify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and standards). (2) Uses of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas (if possible, identify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and standards). (3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data and images more accessible (if possible, identify relevant types of formats, standards, and user tools) (4) Additional suggested persons or organizations that may be resources for further ideas on applications areas. Please include: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number. (5) Organizations, mailing lists (electronic and paper), periodicals, etc. to whom a solicitation for proposals should be sent when developed. Please include: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number. (6) We would benefit from knowing why users that know about NASA remote sensing data do not use the data. Is it because they do not have ties to NASA investigators, or high cost, lack of accessibility, incompatible data formats, poor area of interest coverage, inadequate spatial or spectral resolution, ...? (7) In case we have questions, please send us your name, address, phone number (and e-mail address if you have one). If you don't wish to send us this information, feel free to respond to the survey anonymously. Thank you for your assistance. " 4085,18,"From: starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Reply-To: starowl@rahul.net Organization: D Service Actuarial Consulting X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 14 On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed: : In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: : #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... : Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. Is that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the armed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the American public at that time? -- Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama ""Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills."" -- Lazarus Long " 4086,4,"From: kemper@informatik.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [RHRK]) Subject: Hard disk error Organization: University of Kaiserslautern Lines: 16 Hi there, when I run Disk First Aid on my external hard drive (Quantum LPS 240) I get the followinf message: Error -535: Missing thread record (TarID=31015; TarBlock 416) Disk First Aid is not able to fix this problem, Norton Utils doesn't find it at all. When I use Norton Disk editor to look at TarBlock 416 I can read something like ""DirReservedArea"" My question: How can I get rid of this error (without reformatting of course) -- \_ \_ \_ \_ | Michael Kemper \__ \__ \_ \_ | University of Kaiserslautern, Germany \_\_ \_\_ \_\_ | email: kemper@rhrk.uni-kl.de \_ \_ \_ \_ \__ | \_ \_\_ \_ \_ \_ | Although they gave me that email address, \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ | this is not the opinion of rhrk, uni-kl or de! " 4087,3,"Subject: WANGTEK Tape Controller Card Revision E - address & IRQ wanted From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 26 I have a WANGTEK tape controller card (Revision E) that was used with the Sytos backup system to take backups of a friend's system. That system has crashed and I'm attempting to restore it. Unfortunately, the documentation for this ancient card has been lost in the mists of time, and I need to know the DMA, IRQ and address for this card. Can anyone suggest how I could determine these things? There is a bank of dip switches on the card which are set to: --------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 UPUPUP UPUPUP UPUP UPUP ------OPEN---------- Thanks for your time. -- This posting is definitive. bljeghbe'chugh vaj blHegh. Wayne McDougall :: Keeper of the list of shows better than Star Trek(TM) :: Ask me about the Auckland Festival of Missions, 18-25 April, 1993 I always change my mind when new evidence is available. What method do you use? " 4088,2,"From: rick@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: WinBench Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 36 al@col.hp.com (Al DeVilbiss) writes: >jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) writes: >> Is there any FTP site that carries WinBench results for different graphics >> cards? In Excel (XLS) format? What is the latest version of WinBench and >> how do they differ? Is the source available, and has anybody try to port it to >> X-Window, at least in a way that will make comparisons possible? >> >On ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/misc/winadv.zip is a writeup by >Steve Gibson of InfoWorld with winbench 3.11 and a number of other >benchmark results for nine isa and four VLB video cards. This is a >very current upload and is likely to have any card you're currently >giving serious consideration. Not in XLS format. Latest version of >WinBench that I know of is ver 3.11. I believe they try to maintain >the same rating scale between versions, and new versions are released >to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to >beat the benchmarks. Don't know on the last one. And why they are considering using WinBench as a test, they may want to read everything Steve Gibson has said on the subject in his InfoWorld column the past couple of month. In short, virtually every board manufacturer cheats on the test by writing things in the driver that is there only to make the board appear faster on the WinBench suite. So the WinBench score has no bearing in reality to how cards stack up on real world tasks. In the last PC-Magazine they benchmarked some of the new accelerators, and admitted that many of them 'cheated' on WinBench. Interestingly, they 'allowed' one type of cheating behaviour (caching for bitblt operations, no matter how unreal), yet did not allow a couple of other types of cheating behaviour that some of the cards used. At least one card was eliminated from the ""Editor's Choice"" because of cheating on the benchmark. >Al DeVilbiss >al@col.hp.com " 4089,16,"From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Nntp-Posting-Host: sora.icd.ab.com Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Lines: 47 In article , Thomas Parsli writes: > 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or > talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY Well, may I point out that paranoia is an IRRATIONAL fear, without basis in reality. As we've seen here in the US, there is nothing irrational about it. Perhaps you folks in Finland have been down on your knees being good little boys and girls so that the former Soviet Union didn't come across the border and stomp the snot out of you for so long that you just figure everybody should be so accomodating to tyranny. > > 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. > > 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup If you don't like us talking about political issues involving attacks on people for owning guns, don't read talk.politics.guns. > > We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil > goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to > let's say 1000 people ???? > Nobody's trying to save YOU from anything, so butt out. I couldn't care less about what somebody on the other side of the world thinks about this. Of course, you do have a right to an opinion... but I've always figured that opinons are like hemmorhoids. Every asshole's got them, I just don't care about yours. ************************************************************************** * I remember what I was doing * Bad boy, whatcha gonna do * * when I heard that JFK had been shot. * Whatcha gonna do * * Will you remember the Battle of Waco? * when they come for you... * *************************************************************************** Ken Whitehead (kdw@odin.icd.ab.com) " 4090,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: writes: >As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist? Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you blame the tiger? keith " 4091,1,"From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: MS-Windows graphics viewer? Keywords: ms windows jpeg gif tiff Lines: 31 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University Howdy all, I was wondering if people could e-mail me their opinions on the various graphics viewers available for MS-Windows 3.x... I'm working on a project to set up our scanner and write documentation on how to use it and it would be nice to have a snazzy image viewer to look at (and maybe even edit?) the image you just scanned. The file formats I'm looking for: GIF JPEG TIFF PCX whatever other 'major' file formats there are. Thanks a lot for your help Grant -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== In the days of old, When Knights were bold, And women were too cautious; Oh, those gallant days, When women were women, And men were really obnoxious ... " 4092,15,"From: teama@bucknell.edu (meyers@bucknell.edu) Subject: Doug Sturm Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA Lines: 3 Is anyone familiar with Doug Sturm? If so, please post what you think. " 4093,2,"From: zmola@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Carl Zmola) Subject: Re: Workspace Managers for Win 3.1 - a small review Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 32 cah@tactix.rain.com (Chris Huey) writes: >Jamie Scuglia (jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au) wrote: >: Thanks to all those people who recommended Workspace managers for >: Windows 3.1. I found 3 shareware Workspace Managers, from Australia's >: MS-WINDOWS archive (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au), which mirrors some >: sites in the U.S. The three I found were: >: >: 1. WORKSPACES 1.10 (wspace.zip) >[ review deleted ] >: 2. WORKSHIFT 1.6 (wrksft16.zip) >[ review deleted ] >: 3. BIGDESK 2.30 and BACKMENU (backdesk.zip) >[ review deleted ] >I really appreciate this information. However, given that I don't have >direct Internet access - which means I don't have Archie access - I must >resort to using FTPMAIL. This means that I need the site name and the >directory where these workspace managers are located. backdesk.zip is on CICA, but I'm not sure of the whole directory. Another to throw into the running is topdesk. It is alsow on CICA, but I'm not sure where. It is more complicated then backdesk, but I've found it to be more stable and more usefull. I recomend it to people who have already used a virtual desktop. Oh yeh, It's free. Copyright Microsoft and Sanford Staab. Carl zmola@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu " 4094,18,"From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 116 julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: >In article rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: >>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: >>|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other >>|> conservatives do as well. >>|> >>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It >>makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and >>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to >>health for another go around. >Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked >conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.' OK, I should have said ""former"" enemy. I was being sarcastic about what interventionists want to do. >I suggest you >listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying >and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his >opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back. Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a gun? Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help them. Then their's the ideological point. We want to ""win"" Russia over to our type of government -- a type where the rulers can rule without limit over everyone's finances? >>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with >>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic >>competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying >>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. >Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those >nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not >be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if >they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large >parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot >imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear. >How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if >vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something. >A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is >bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the >humanitarian argument that democracies should help other >democracies (or struggling democracies).) If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to charity. >> >>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing >>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution >>was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate >>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money >>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. >Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid. >My two ""causes"" are aid to Russia and a strong space program. >Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies >of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a >true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we >only have gridlock on a congressional scale. It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia, expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor, and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government is more key than how democratic it is. >BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who >want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of >thing I thought Libertarians were against. That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech. >Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue >and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems >that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and >let it sink or swim. If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you and your group for causes you don't support? >We could do that 100 years ago but not now. People have been saying that for hundreds of years. >Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and >global decision making. All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions on complex issues. >Julie >DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else Roger Collins Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. -- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address " 4095,1,From: un034214@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ? Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 21 I am trying to convert an m-motion (IBM) video file format YUV to RGB data... THE Y portion is a byte from 0-255 THE V is a byte -127-127 THe color is U and V and the intensity is Y DOes anyone have any ideas for algorhtyms or programs ? Can someone tell me where to get info on the U and V of a television signal ? IF you need more info reply at the e-mail address... Basically what I am doing is converting a digital NTSC format to RGB (VGA) for displaying captured video pictures. Thanks. THE U is a byte -127-127 4096,13,"From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray) Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Daniel Prince (Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com) wrote: : ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX! I know it is just a joke, but please remember: the people of Waco did not ask David Koresh to be a lunatic there, he just happened. Waco is a lovely town. I would think someone living in the home of flakes and nut would be more sensitive :-) " 4097,13,"From: ske@pkmab.se (Kristoffer Eriksson) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP Organization: Peridot Konsult i Mellansverige AB, Oerebro, Sweden Lines: 14 In article <1quqlgINN83q@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: > My definition is this: Science is the investigation of the empirical >that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous >work. Reading this definition, I wonder: when should you recognize something as being a ""mistake""? It seems to me, that proponents of pseudo-sciences might have their own ideas of what constitutes a ""mistake"" and which discoveries of such previous mistakes they accept. -- Kristoffer Eriksson, Peridot Konsult AB, Stallgatan 2, S-702 26 Oerebro, Sweden Phone: +46 19-33 13 00 ! e-mail: ske@pkmab.se Fax: +46 19-33 13 30 ! or ...!mail.swip.net!kullmar!pkmab!ske " 4098,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? You make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn't. A lot of pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to make this kind of think a lot harder to do. I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either. (Newsgroup list trimmed significantly) jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 4099,8,"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: world Organization: NOT Lines: 10 tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes: ]Just wanted to say ""Thanks"" to everyone who sent me e-mail or ]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S so what did _you_ decide? -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org " 4100,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 16 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 / >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread >""Terminator"", aka ""The Rifleman"", owned no firearms for several years >while posting in this group, as an example. There are others. Good point, Kirk. He's still around too. He's responded by email to a couple of my posts, and gosh darn, he's gotten down right civil! This happed about the time he got his first firearm. Wonder if there is a relationship here? Turns out that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start with) act responsibility once given the chance. Rick. " 4101,12,"From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 33 Thanks for the resposes as they were all good ideas and I am looking at using a couple of the ideas. I recieved in the mail today the spec sheets on the mil. spec version of Exar's XR-2240 timer/counter chip. It is stable down to -50 C and sucks very little power. They show an application for a ultra-long time delay (up to several years depending on the RC time constant). In this application, they have two of them cascaded together. The reset and trigger pins of both chips are tied together and the timebase of the second chip is disabled. In this configuration, the output is high when the system is reset. When triggered, the output goes low and stays that way for a total of 65,536 x the timing cycle of the first chip. The total timing cycle of the two chips can be programmed from To = 256 x R x C to 65,536 x R x C in 256 steps by selecting any combination of the counter outputs to the timer output. The beauty of it is, the timebase chip would only have to have a 100uF timing cap and a 391K resistor for 39.1 seconds per timing cycle. So I can get a maximum of 2,562,457.6 seconds between timing cycles (39.1 x 65,536 or about 29 days !) Of course, that's much more than I need (14 days). But the counter allows for 256 binary steps that can be selected for the output for the 'pellet puker'. After the first 14 days and it trips, it would reset its self for the next 14 day timing cycle and so forth. Power is still a problem though. A few ideas that you suggested was to bury the electronics in a hole dug in the snow (as an insulator) and put the pellet puker up on a tower above the estimated snow fall with a solar panel on it to keep a charge on a lithium battery pack. I like that idea ;-) This thing has to work for at least six weeks for three samples and the gas valves are 12 volts to spit the pellets out onto the snow. Anyway, I ordered the XR-2240's to see what I can do with them. Should be interesting (as long as I'm not the one that has to go digging up the pellets in the middle of Antartica freezing my buns off ;-) Thanks again everyone... -=-= Wes =-=- " 4102,7,"From: tjo@scr.siemens.com (Tom Ostrand) Subject: Radio for Toyota Tercel Keywords: radio,Tercel,replacement Nntp-Posting-Host: bugatti.siemens.com Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ Lines: 19 I'm looking for a replacement radio/tape player for a 1984 Toyota Tercel. Standard off-the-shelf unit is fine, but every place I've gone to (Service Merchandise, etc.) doesn't have my car in its model application book. I want to just take out the old radio, and slide in the new, with minimal time spent hooking it up and adjusting the dashboard. If you have put in a new unit in a similar car, I'd like to hear what brand, how easy it was to do the change, and any other relevant information. Please answer via E-mail. Thanks, Tom Ostrand -- Tom Ostrand E-mail: tjo@scr.siemens.com Siemens Corporate Research Phone: 609-734-6569 755 College Road East FAX: 609-734-6565 Princeton, NJ 08540-6668 " 4103,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: pushing the envelope Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Distribution: na Lines: 35 In <1993Apr3.233154.7045@Princeton.EDU> lije@cognito.Princeton.EDU (Elijah Millgram) writes: >A friend of mine and I were wondering where the expression ""pushing >the envelope"" comes from. Anyone out there know? Every aircraft has flight constraints for speed/AOA/power. When graphed, these define the 'flight envelope' of that aircraft, presumably so named because the graphed line encloses (envelopes) the area on the graph that represents conditions where the aircraft doesn't fall out of the sky. Hence, 'pushing the envelope' becomes 'operating at (or beyond) the edge of the flight (or operational) envelope'. Note that the envelope isn't precisely known until someone actually flies the airplane in those regions -- up to that point, all there are are the theoretical predictions. Hence, one of the things test pilots do for a living is 'push the envelope' to find out how close the correspondence between the paper airplane and the metal one is -- in essence, 'pushing back' the edges of the theoretical envelope to where the airplane actually starts to fail to fly. Note, too, that this is done is a quite calculated and careful way; flight tests are generally carefully coreographed and just what is going to be 'pushed' and how far is precisely planned (despite occasional deviations from plans, such as the 'early' first flight of the F-16 during its high-speed taxi tests). I'm sure Mary can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about this process (and then some). -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 4104,12,"From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: _Exhausted student needing HELP! Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 40 Well, I've now been working on this DAMNED stepper controller board since 9pm. It's now 6am... I'm pissed off. Period. Alright, I can drive the steppers through the 3479P's; no problem (that's with the 6-wire steppers, 2 to +, and the other 4 are the phase lines). Problem 1: I've got some 4 wire steppers. I put the darkest line to + and the other 3 to the 3479P... worked, kinda. Tried it with a printer stepper (moves the head back and forth, 4 wires), didn't work too well. It would shift back and forth (use something like a 4017 instead?) Also I've been trying to get a bunch of NPN's to work with it... NO LUCK... tried PNP's, still NO LUCK!!! I don't know if I'm cursed on this or what, but I feel my brain slowly frying with the thought of STEPPER ... ARGGG!!! I don't know what's wrong with the transistor hook-up (to-220 pkg type), also tryed the 2n2222-pkg type... no luck. I'm going to try getting some z's, and I hope you can help me with this problem. If someone can please help me with this soon, it would be greatly appreciated... Thanks. _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | | ------------------------------------------------- l " 4105,4,"From: ROGOSCHP@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Are we having Fun yet ???) Subject: VGA monitors and the mac LC series of computers Organization: University of Regina Lines: 9 I recall reading that the Mac LC (and presumably the LC II & III) can use stand ard VGA monitors, with appropriate cable adapters. I am uncertain of this sinc e I have asked other people who say this is not so. So can all vga monitors be used on the Mac LC? What are the specs needed for a PC monitor to work with a Mac LC (horizontal nad vertical frequencies)? " 4106,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 203 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: >bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: > >>And I maintain: >> >>Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that >>they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too >>afraid of having to face the world on their own terms. ... > >Are you your own master? Do you have any habits that you cannot break? If I have a habit that I really want to break, and I am willing to make whatever sacrifice I need to make to break it, then I do so. There have been bad habits of mine that I've decided to put forth the effort to break, and I've done so; there have been other bad habits that I've decided are not worth the effort to break. It's my choice, either way. I am my own master. I choose what I want to do. I weigh the benefits of my actions against their consequences, and I use my experience to help me deal with the unexpected, which in turn make me more experienced. I don't always succeed, but I never fail, either -- I learn. Do *you* have any habits you can't break? Why not? >For one, you seem unable to master your lack of desire to understand >even the slightest concept of the Bible. I have arrived at my own understanding of Christianity, just as you've probably arrived at your own understanding of Islam that is most likely very different from the way a Moslem thinks of his religion. Are you ""unable to master your lack of desire to understand even the slightest concept of the Quran""? If that's different, then how is it different from what you accuse me of? Can I accuse you of having no desire to understand even the slightest concept of atheism? >How about sexual sins? Gotta any of those secret desires >in your head that you harbor but can get control of? Do you dehumanize >women when they walk past you? Do you degrade them to a sex object in >your head? Of COURSE not. That's disgusting. For centuries, religions have been discriminating on sex and treating women as second-class humans; that's one of the reasons I renounced my Christianity. >Do you insult >people unknowingly, then regret it later. Yet do it again the next >time opportunity presents itself? No. I don't insult people. Period. It's not in my nature, and it's not something that I want to do, either. >Are you truly the master of yourself? Not yet -- but my life is the ground I use to practice on. The fun is in the getting there! >I have admitted that I am not the master of my thought life at all times. >That I sometimes say things I do want to say, and then repeat my mistake >unwantingly. I have admitted to myself that I cannot control every aspect >of my being. There are times I know I shouldn't say something, but >then say it anyway. There are times I simply forget a lesson. >I, in fact, am not my own master. We don't start out perfect; we've got to strive to be something better. I know my shortcomings, and I know my strengths, and I live my life according to the decisions I make, and I am content to abide with the consequences of my decisions as easily as I'll accept the praise for them. There have been times in my life when I've made mistakes, yes; I try to never make the same mistake twice. >I need help. Jesus promised me >this help. And I took him up on his offer. I have willfully let >Jesus be my master because Jesus knows what is better for me than >I myself do. I regard Christ as a myth. I feel that there are far too many people offering far too many interpretations of what he supposedly said and did. The only person who can really judge me is *me*. I choose the roads I travel, and I decide whether or not I want to reach the end of any given road or turn back -- and as long as I don't *always* turn back, there's no shame in it. When I need help, I seek out my friends. >>Do you see my point? I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm >>getting a great tan out here in the sunlight. My life has improved >>immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me! It will be >>a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the >>long hike, but it's well worth it! > >Then I guess ignorance is bliss for you. Because Brian, you enjoy >not having a clue about the Bible. And you don't have a clue about what I'm saying, either. Open your eyes and SEE; open your ears and LISTEN. I'm not just spouting off empty words. This is my LIFE, this is what gives me MEANING. >>Don't you see? I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness >>with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not >>something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept. >>Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good >>*reason* to, don't you? > >Can you witness motherly love with your senses? How does caring and >concern for you register with your senses? If nothing registers >to you other than what you can see, taste, smell, hear and touch, >then you better become a Vulcan and fast. You better get rid >of your emotions. Huh? You're going WAY off the track here. I say my mother loves me. How do I know, you ask? I can point to definite things she's done for me, and I can even just bring her to you so you can ask her, face-to-face. You say your deity loves you. How do you know, I ask? You can't even convince me that it exists! >My God says that you will not CEASE EXISTING. You have >life forever. You can choose to either live it in hell in eternal >torment where there is no communication whatsoever, or can choose to >live it in paradise with God. That is what my God says. And that >was the issue. Your made-up theism is what it is--made up. It's >wishful thinking. If any god dangles 'heaven' before me like a carrot, promising untold pleasures to me if I'll only suspend my disbelief and ignore my rationality for just this once, then I would choose 'hell'. I can *not* lie to myself to placate another being, no matter how powerful it is. Note also that there are several gods trying to lure me this way: Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Ra... Please give me a solid reason to choose one of them over the others. [ description of Kendigism deleted -- hee hee! ] >Why would you want to live a good life? >To you, you die and that's it. Don't contradict yourself. You have >no reason to live a good life. It doesn't do you any good in the >end. Your life doesn't do anybody else any good either because >everyone dies anyway. So you have no reason to lead a good life. Leading >a good life is meaningless. Why do you do such a meaningless thing? That paragraph demonstrates that you haven't listened to a single word I've said. Have you ever gone to an amusement park? Why? I mean, after a few hours, it closes, and nothing's different except that you're a few dollars lighter. Going to the amusement park doesn't do you any good at all. Why do you do such a meaningless thing? The answer is that you think it's fun. You play the skee-ball over and over because you'd like to get better at it, even though you're not going to win anything better than a stuffed animal even if you blow ten dollars on it. You ride the roller coaster because it's an thrilling experience, even though (because?) it scares the dickens out of you. In the same way, I think life is fun. And I don't intend to leave the amusement park of life until they close down for the night! :-D >>I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god >>I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in >>which case it's not really all that important. > >Has the resurrection sunk in? Jesus is alive. Jesus is NOT dead. So you (and your holy book) say. By the same token, therefore, Santa Claus delivers toys every xmas. Don't you see? I have NO REASON to believe that what you say is true. Please give me some reason that I can't similarly apply to Santa Claus. >>Forget the Bible for a minute. Forget quoting verses, forget about >>who said what about this or that. *Show me.* Picture just you and me >>and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right. > >Forget that I am a person. Forget that I know how to type. Forget >that I know how to put a sentence together. Forget that I know >how to send e-mail. Forget my existence. Proove to me that I >exist. . I can't do it, because your existence means nothing more to me than just your communications over the net. You have no more bearing on nor importance in my life than that; remove it, and you will cease to be significant to me. Are you thereby inferring that your deity is nothing more than a collection of verses in a book, and cannot be supported without invoking them? Or do you mean that the existence of your deity (and, in fact, any other deity that can be written about) is as real as your own existence? Why do you believe what you believe? -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 4107,6,"From: ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff) Subject: The Abyss on LaserDisc Organization: Temple University Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] [ Article crossposted from temple.forsale ] [ Author was Ray Lauff (ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu) ] [ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:04:27 GMT ] Regular CBS/FOX release of the wide screen edition of the movie The Abyss for sale, asking $30, including postage. I want to purchase the new director's cut and would like to unload this LaserDisc if possible. Two discs, unopened, 132 minutes, letterbox. Email me if interested. ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu Ray -- Ray Lauff | Temple University Computer Services | ray_lauff@astro.temple.edu -- Ray Lauff | Temple University Computer Services | ray_lauff@astro.temple.edu " 4108,3,"From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) Subject: Swap boot drive on 486 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 11 Reply-To: David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu I have a 486 machine with a 3.5"" A: drive and a 5.25"" B: drive. I want to swap them so 3.5"" drive is A: What do I have to do? TIA |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| |Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| |Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ ____ Fax: 413/545-0996| " 4109,11,"From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) In-Reply-To: mjr@tis.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 21:28:13 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA. <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> <1r4e9d$pdo@sol.TIS.COM> Lines: 19 Don't get fooled by exponents 2^80 (possible keys) is not in the same league with 10^80 (particles in the universe). 2^80 < 10^25. Remember Avagadro's number? There are about that many elementary particles (not molecules) in one mole. Pretty small universe! Or if you can put 5 Gigabytes on one tape, you would need about 10 trillion tapes (allowing several bytes per entry). Still more than all of the existing magnetic media on the planet, but wait a few years. (I'm including existing audio and video cassettes in the total. Ten trillion is about 2,000 per person worldwide... Gives new meaning to the suspicions of hiden messages.) -- Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is... " 4110,4,"From: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PIEMAN) Subject: MacPlus Home brew Acceler question?? Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 16 ha... all this talk about changing the clock speed of the q700 makes me ask?? if i replaced the 8mhz 68000 in my plus with a 16mhz 68000 with a 16mhz clock occilater of its own( not shared by the rest of the mac... just the new 16mhz68000) would my mac work..... and if it would work.. would you think there where be any problems with sound, vidio,scsi........ it seems like a simple solution to keepa dead slow mechine a live a little longer.. Oh if this would not work any idears on how to make it work??? thanks alex ARP0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu " 4111,0,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 4 I'm sold! Where do I sign up? Brian /-|-\ The next book: ""Charles Manson: Lord, Lunatic, or Liar"" " 4112,6,"From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire) Subject: Car Audio [Forsale] Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Car Audio Products for Sale... Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - SS10x2: 2 10"" Kickers in a sealed box. The box is manufactured direct from Kicker. (Instructions). *******Asking $175 + Shipping Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - 2 Kicker 12"" Subwoofers. (Instructions). *******Asking $175 + Shipping (Sold as a pair only!) Kenwood KAC923 Amp - 220 Watts X 2. 2 ohm stable (Box & Instruction Included). *******Asking $375 + Shipping Im selling the above item for a friend without Internet access... You can either E-Mail me or call him (Mike Metalios) at (410)665-5773. Foxfire " 4113,2,"From: grantk@nosc.mil (Kelly J. Grant) Subject: Strange 386 enhanced behavior... Keywords: 386 enhanced, Paradox Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 45 Howdy We have been having a real problem with an AST 386sx/16 machine with 4mb of RAM. We installed Paradox for Windows, (but I don't think Paradox is the real problem here), and the installation went ok (windows is installed on a local drive, paradox installed on a novell network (netware 386 v3.26 or greater), DOS 5, Win 3.1) but the program will not load in 386 enchanted mode. The thermometer bar goes to 60% and we then either get a 'invalid command.com' or a windows nastygram talking about an illegal instruction. I've checked out the command.com thing, but as a long-time C programmer, I've crashed my share of machines with pointer problems and this is a standard behavior :-) Anyway, paradox will run in standard mode, but not enhanced. We also have quattro pro windows, exhibiting the same behavior. Spent about 2 hours with Borland's tech people, with no avail. The guy I talked to a microsoft didn't want to really dig in and help, as he gave up pretty quickly. Somewhat disappointing, really. I expected more from Microsoft. You'd think with all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all the possible problems, but I guess not... Microsoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing UAE and General Protection faults (sorry, I can't fax anything out of here so please don't ask, try Microsoft), which we tried. We did *everything* they said, and still no luck. So. If you can help, please mail me. This problem is driving us nuts. I will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on. Thanks Kelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS THE REAL SIGNATURE...Please ignore the following demon signature.. Kelly J. Grant grantk@nosc.mil 4045 Hancock St (619) 225-2562 ""The next time someone asks you if you San Diego, CA 92110 are a god, you say YES!"" :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Kelly Grant grantk@manta.nosc.mil (619) 553-0850 Computer Sciences Corp ^^^^^^^^ Important: manta.UUCP won't get to me 4045 Hancock Street ""If you are given lemons.....see if you can trade for San Diego, CA 92110 chocolate"" - me " 4114,18,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 38 In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: > Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very > own CNN news LOGO! > > Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. > > Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this > seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching > time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by > now. > > I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who > was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". > Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year. However.... Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible (the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they have in Europe) and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, and force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could be increased only via a national referendum. Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile... shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate all in one fell swoop. Gerald " 4115,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Lines: 10 In article , Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) says: > >(Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?) > yup. with onions, of all things. bob vesterman. " 4116,7,"From: mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark G. Salyzyn) Subject: Re: Do it yourself front-end alignment possible? Article-I.D.: ve6mgs.1993Apr6.200818.10500 Distribution: na Organization: ADEC Systems Inc. Lines: 44 davidd@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . De Leon) writes: >In article <113364@bu.edu> selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes: >>I've got an 86 Plymouth Colt that I'd like to do a front-end alignment >>on. Is it possible to do without all of the fancy schmancy gadgets the >>pros have? How? >>-Steve >NO.NO.NO.NO. >If you do so, you are putting the lives of others on the road at consider- >able risk. Why do you think mechanics are ASE certified?? Anyway you put >it, you need those *fancy scmancy* gadgets... Awww, right, you want all the home mechanics lined up against a wall and shot eh? Bull Pucky you chicken! Read the service manual and get your head out of the sand! Certainly there are tools for the job that are cheaper than an alignment rack, that do the job as competently (albeit, not as swiftly), if not more accurate, due to the natural pride an owner/mechanic places on his work. You can do an `acceptable' job of aligning a car using simple tools and some imaginative work that would *never* have the effect of endangering anyones life. The worst that happens is that your tires wear oddly (well, you could have the wheels aiming TOTALLY pigeon toed and not be able to steer the car, raise your hands those that think their vision is so poor that they would screw up this badly!) I bet you are one of those people that feels that honing a cylinder wall with sand paper will kill millions of people. It aint magic. Go take the certification course, and look at the people that have never learned to add in their whole life that are taking the certification! BTW, I am disgusted at the Colt (and some of the other Chrysler offerings) because they go out of alignment if you sneaze at them. My '84 Chrysler Laser (Similar to the Daytona, a reskinned Colt) needed a realignment every 3 months ... Bolt a good grade 12' 2x4 to each wheel, using a carefully welded spacer jig. Measure toe in, adjust to manufacturer specs. Camber a bit more difficult to adjust and measure ... I used a micrometer to measure the space between the rim and a funky bent up pipe that could be placed on upper and lower portions of the rim on the inside of wheel (hard to explain). This same tool could be used instead of the 2x4s. I had made these tools up *right* after the last alignment done professionally so I had a reference that the original poster might not ... Ciao -- Mark " 4117,5,"From: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik) Subject: Text field in dialog widget doesn't get focus Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. Of Wisconsin-Madison Originator: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu Lines: 49 I am using the GLX widget + athena widgets on a mixed-model application, under 4Dwm, but when the dialog gets popped up, its text entry field does not have focus. Aimilar code works perfectly if I use ""pure X"" (no mixed-model). HEre is the relevant portion of the code. { int n; Arg wargs[16]; Widget Button, PopUpShell, Dialog; /* initialize TopLevel here */ . . . n = 0; XtSetArg(wargs[n], XtNlabel, ""Foo""); n++; Button = XtCreateManagedWidget(""FooBtn"", commandWidgetClass, TopLevel, wargs, n); PopUpShell = XtCreatePopupShell(""PupShell"", overrideShellWidgetClass, Button, NULL, 0); XtAddCallback(PopUpShell, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell); n = 0; XtSetArg(wargs[n], XtNvalue, """"); n++; Dialog = XtCreateManagedWidget(""TheDialog"", dialogWidgetClass, PopUpShell, wargs, n); . . . } void MyPopUp(w, popup_shell, call_data) Widget w; Widget popup_shell; XtPointer call_data; { XtPopup(popup_shell, XtGrabExclusive); } --- A way I found to give focus to the text field is to move the application window around a little bit and place it right behind the popup. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. " 4118,15,"From: shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon) Subject: Christianity & Atheism: an update Organization: BGSU Lines: 32 First, I would like to thank all who sent me their opinions on the matter at hand. All advice was taken to heart, if not directly used. My friend found out about the matter quite accidently. After reading some of my mail, I quit from the mail reader & went about my business. I must have trashed my mail improperly, because he got on the same terminal the next day & saw my old messages. He thought they were responses to a post he placed in alt.atheism earlier that week, so he read some of them before realizing that they were for me. I got a message from him the next day; he apologized for reading my mail & said that he did not want to appear to be a snoop. He said that he would be willing to talk to me about his views & didn't mind doing so, especially with a friend. So we did. I neither changed his mind nor did he change mine, as that was not the point. Now he knows where I'm coming from & now I know where he's coming from. And all that I can do is pray for him, as I've always done. I believe the reason that he & I ""click"" instead of ""bash"" heads is because I see Christianity as a tool for revolution, & not a tool for maintaining the status quo. To be quite blunt, I have more of a reason to reject God than he does just by the fact that I am an African-American female. Christianity & religion have been used as tools to separate my people from the true knowledge of our history & the wealth of our contributions to the world society. The ""kitchen of heaven"" was all we had to look forward to during the slave days, & this mentality & second-class status still exists today. I, too, have rejected an aspect of Christianity----that of the estabished church. Too much hypocricy exists behind the walls of ""God's house"" beginning with the images of a white Jesus to that of the members: praise God on Sunday & raise hell beginning Monday. God-willing, I will find a church home where I can feel comfortable & at-home, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Sherlette " 4119,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: amitriptyline Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 14 In article <1993Mar27.010702.8176@julian.uwo.ca> roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes: >Could someone please tell me, what effect an overdose (900-1000mg) of >amitriptyline would have? Probably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose, but could kill a child. Patient would be very somnolent, with dilated pupils, low blood pressure. Possibly cardiac arrhythmias. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4120,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Distribution: usa Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.220511.11311@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > Do I have to be the one to say it? > > DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN > FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! True enough. I put it on the ground if it's free of spooge, or directly on my head otherwise. > That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against. Not exactly. The helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn't in it, and there's no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell. Is a drop off the seat enough to crack the shell? I doubt it, but you can always send it to be inspected. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 4121,2,"From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) Subject: Re: Diamond SS 24X Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr22.085129.554@condor.navsses.navy.mil>, zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil writes: >Greetings! > >I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the >desktop can occasionally result in the windows ""blowing up"" into a set of >horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this >except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is >that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually I posted a similar query and got these replies which I am testing (so far so good).. * turn hardware scrolling off before going into windows (24xmode scrolloff) * in the pif file for dos window, set ""emulate text mode"" * get the latest drivers from the DiamoND BBS (or cica): dates are 1-20-9. -- Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice) 4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax) Arden Hills, MN 55126 " 4122,6,"From: davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat) Subject: 88 Toyota Camry super deluxe $9.9k Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 15 88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle blue book $10,500 asking 9,900. 73 k miles auto transmission Has Everything! owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob. posted for a friend. " 4123,17,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 95 In article <1993Apr15.224353.24945@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: |> Tell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops? In the South Lebanon area, only Israeli (and SLA) and Lebanese troops are present. Syrian troops are deployed north of the Awali river. Between the Awali river and the ""Security Zone"" only Lebanese troops are stationed. |> |> >with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace, |> >than it should withdraw from OUR land. |> |> There must be a guarantee of peace before this happens. It |> seems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain |> themselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions |> prolong Israels stay in South Lebanon. That is your opinion and the opinion of the Israeli government. I agree peace guarantees would be better for all, but I am addressing the problem as it stands now. Hopefully a comprehensive peace settlement will be concluded soon, and will include security guarantees for both sides. My proposal was aimed at decreasing the casualties in the interim period. In my opinion, if Israel withdraws unilaterally it would still be better off than staying. The Israeli gov't obviously agrees with you and is not willing to do such a move. I hope to be be able to change your opinion and theirs, that's why I post to tpm. |> If the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then |> Israel would not have to be there. Until it is, Israel prefers that |> its soldiers die rather than its children. As I explained, I contend that if Israel does withdraw unilaterally I believe no attacks would ensue against northern Israel. I also explained why I believe that to be the case. My suggestion is aimed at reducing the level of tension and casualties on all sides. It is unfortunate that Israel does not agree with my opinion. |> |> >If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw |> >unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion |> >of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, |> >advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's |> >public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations |> >since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in |> >peace and has already offered some important concessions. |> |> Israel should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is |> signed. Not a day before. Withdraw because of casualties would tell |> the Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is |> kill a few soldiers. Its not gonna happen. That is too bad. |> >Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah |> >be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not |> >accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a |> >shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone |> >and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. |> |> |> Why should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer |> zone? It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while |> holding your neighbors land. Because Israel is not occupying the ""Security Zone"" free of charge. It is paying the price for that. Once Israel withdraws it may have lost a bargaining chip at the negociating table but it would save some soldiers' lives, that is my contention. If Lebanon were willing to agree to |> those conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already. |> Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Lebanese can disarm the |> Hizbolah, and maintain the peace. That is completely untrue. Hizbollah is now a minor force in Lebanese politics. The real heavy weights are Syria's allies. The gov't is supported by Syria. The Lebanese Army is over 30,000 troops and unified like never before. Hizbollah can have no moral justification in attacking Israel proper, especially after Israeli withdrawal. That would draw the ire of the Lebanese the Syrian and the Israeli gov'ts. If Israel does withdraw and such an act (Hizbolllah attacking Israel) would be akin to political and moral suicide. Basil |> Adam |> Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu |> |> ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure |> wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 4124,15,"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) Subject: Afterlife Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 23 Here is another way of looking at it. When we die we are released from the arc of time, and able to comprehend our lives in toto. To visit each moment in time sequentially or all at once, but not able to alter the actions thoughts or feelings we had/have/will have in this life. From that perspective, I posit that all will have direct knowledge of God, and be able to recognize at each moment of time wether we were doing what we ought. That the experience of having lived a life far from God will be an eternal torment. That having lived a life of grace, will be an eternal joy. That the resurrection of the body comes not from any physical reconstitution of our present forms, but knowledge of our present forms by our fully cognizant souls. As an Aside: If we were to be restricted for all time to our present form, would you opt for immortality? James Sledd think in n dimensions & listen for the voice of God " 4125,3,"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: com ports /modem/ mouse conflict -REALLY? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 20 Phil Hunt (phil@howtek.MV.COM) wrote: > I'm kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3 > and 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem > into com3 and expect both to work? No, but some OS's ( COHERENT , etc ) are able to drive one of the ports in polled mode without using the IRQ. In your example, after accessing the modem, the mouse won't work until you reboot, because the IRQ is used by the modem. > If Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different? And, > does it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too? Yes, you can change the IRQ's for com3/4, but it depends on your other hardware. com1 uses IRQ4, com2 IRQ3. If you have only one printerport ( IRQ7 ), you can change com3 to IRQ5 ( normally 2nd printer ). For com4, you can assign IRQ2, if its free. As far as I know, no other IRQ can be used until your I/O-card is 16bit and caould access IRQ's > 8. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 4126,4,"From: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com (Kelley Boylan) Subject: Re: IIsi at 33MHz success story Originator: kelleyb@kelleyb.austin.ibm.com Distribution: usa Reply-To: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin, PowerPC Lines: 17 > Howdy folks. Back in September or October '92 I posted instructions > on how to upgrade the IIsi to 25mhz by doin' a little solderin'. > People bolder than me have reported that they've done the same > procedure, but put in a 66mhz oscillator instead of 50. (Thus running > the cpu at 33mhz instead of 25.) So I tried it and I'll be darned if > it doesn't work. Has anyone tried or does anyone know if this procedure will work on an SE/30? Mine's old, slow, and in need of either death or power. -Kelley- -- --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Kelley Boylan, PowerPC, IBM Austin, (512) 838-1869 --------------------------------------------------------- kelleyb@austin.ibm.com " 4127,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <19930422.121236.246@almaden.ibm.com>, Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) writes: > 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated ""Level 5"" by a NASA team. > This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. Will someone tell an ignorant physicist where the term ""Level 5"" comes from? It sounds like the RISKS Digest equivalent of Large, Extra Large, Jumbo... Or maybe it's like ""Defcon 5..."" I gather it means that Shuttle software was developed with extreme care to have reliablility and safety, and almost everything else in the computing world is Level 1, or cheesy dime-store software. Not surprising. But who is it that invents this standard, and how come everyone but me seems to be familiar with it? Of course, what Shakespeare | Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey ORIGINALLY wrote was ""First thing | Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory we do, let's kill all the EDITORS.""| Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET But for some reason it didn't | Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV survive past the first draft. | SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS -- David D. ""Laserdave"" Levine (davidl@ssd.intel.com) " 4128,16,"From: aj359@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher C. Morton) Subject: Re: Waco Shootout Highlights Total Irresponsibility of the Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 13 Reply-To: aj359@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher C. Morton) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) says: >Come on, guys, looks like its time to move that juvenile public-post >either to E-mail or to a different newsgroup (alt.sex.bondage.holly.silva?). No, Brent that would be alt.sex.bondage.holly.silva.goofy.anti.semite.... :) -- ************************************************************************* If you were smarter, you'd have these opinions.... ******************************************************************************* " 4129,13,"From: spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Flight Data and Evaluation Office Distribution: usa Lines: 72 In article uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) writes: >In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) >wrote: >> >> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's >> disease. >> >> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, >> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. >> >> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the >> problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > >If she is having problems with fresh vegetables, the guess is that there >is some obstruction of the intestine. Without knowing more it is not >possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring, >or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine. In general, there are >no dietary limitations in patients with Crohn's except as they relate >to obstruction. There is no evidence that any foods will bring on >recurrence of Crohn's. Interesting statements, simply because I have been told otherwise. I'm certainly not questioning Steve's claims, as for one I am not a doctor, and I agree that foods don't bring on the recurrence of Crohn's. But inflammation can be either mildly or DRASTICALLY enhanced due to food. Having had one major obstruction resulting in resection (is that a good enough caveat :-), I was told that a *LOW RESIDUE* diet is called for. Basically, the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut (which may not be realized by the patient), any residue in the system can be caught in the folds of inflammation and constantly irritate, thus exacerbating the problem. Therefore, anything that doesn't digest completely by the point of common inflammation should be avoided. With what I've been told is typical Crohn's, of the terminal ileum, my diet should be low residue, consisting of: Completely out - never again - items: o corn (kernel husk doesn't digest ... most of us know this :-) o popcorn (same) o dried (dehydrated) fruit and fruit skins o nuts (Very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge :-) Discouraged greatly: o raw vegetables (too fibrous) o wheat and raw grain breads o exotic lettuce (iceberg is ok since it's apparently mostly water) o greens (turnip, mustard, kale, etc...) o little seeds, like sesame (try getting an Arby's without it!) o long grain and wild rice (husky) o beans (you'll generate enough gas alone without them!) o BASICALLY anything that requires heavy digestive processing I was told that the more processed the food the better! (rather ironic in this day and age). The whole point is PREVENTATIVE ... you want to give your system as little chance to inflame as possible. I was told that among the NUMEROUS things that were heavily discouraged (I only listed a few), to try the ones I wanted and see how I felt. If it's bad, don't do it again! Remember though that this was while I was in remission. For Veggies: cook the daylights out of them. I prefer steaming ... I think it's cooks more thoroughly - you're mileage may vary. As with anything else, CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR. Don't just take my word. But this is the info I've been given, and it may be a starting point for discussion. Good luck! -Spenser -- S. Spenser Aden --- Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. --- (713) 483-2028 NASA --- Flight Data and Evaluation Office --- Johnson Space Center, Houston spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (Internet) --- Opinions herein are mine alone. aden@vf.jsc.nasa.gov (if above bounces) --- ""Eschew obfuscation."" - unknown " 4130,17,"From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) Subject: More on ADL spying case Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute Lines: 222 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE * INQUIRY: Transcripts reveal nearly 40 years of espionage by a man who infiltrated political groups By Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer. SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40 years. His code name at the prominent Jewish organization was Cal, and he was so successful at infiltrating political groups that he was once chosen to head an Arab-American delegation that visited Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) in her Washington, D.C., office. For a time, Cal tapped into the phone message system of the White Aryan Resistance to learn of hate crimes. From police sources he obtained privileged, personal information on at least 1,394 people. And he met surreptitiously with agents of the South African government to trade his knowledge for crisp, new $100 bills. These are among the secrets that Bullock and David Gurvitz, a former Los Angeles-based operative, divulged in extensive interviews with police and the FBI in a growing scandal over the nation-wide intelligence network operated by the Anti-Defamation League. Officials of the Anti-Defamation League, while denying any improper activity, have said they will cooperate with the investigation. They have refused to discuss Bullock and Gurvitz. Transcripts of the interviews -- among nearly 700 pages of documents released by San Francisco prosecutors last week -- offer new details of the private spy operation that authorities allege crossed the line into illegal territory. At times, the intelligence activities took on a cloak-and-dagger air with laundered payments, shredded documents, hotel rendezvous with foreign agents and code names like ""Ironsides"" and ""Flipper."" On one occasion, Gurvitz recounts, he received a tip that a pro-Palestinian activist was about to board a plane bound for Haifa, Israel. Although the Anti-Defamation League publicly denies any ties to Israel, Gurvitz phoned an Israeli consular official to warn him. Shortly afterward, another official called Gurvitz back and debriefed him. The court papers also added to the mystery of Tom Gerard, a former CIA agent and San Francisco police officer accused of providing confidential material from police files to the Anti-Defamation League. Gerard fled to the Philippines last fall after he was interviewed by the FBI, but left behind a briefcase in his police locker. Its contents included passports, driver's licenses and identification cards in 10 different names; identification cards in his own name for four American embassies in Central America; and a collection of blank birth certificates, Army discharge papers and official stationery from various agencies. Also in the briefcase were extensive information on death squads, a black hood, apparently for use in interrogations, and photos of blindfolded and chained men. Investigators suspect that Gerard and other police sources gave the ADL confidential driver's license or vehicle registration information on a vast number of people, including as many as 4,500 members of one target group, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee. Each case of obtaining such data from a law enforcement officer would constitute a felony, San Francisco Police Inspector Ron Roth noted in an affidavit for a search warrant. The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with police agencies and journalists. However, evidence seized from Bullock's computer shows he kept files on at least 950 groups of all political stripes, including the American Civil Liberties Union, Earth Island Institute, the United Farm Workers, Jews for Jesus, Mother Jones magazine, the Center for Investigative Reporting, the Bo Gritz for President Committee, the Asian Law Caucus and the AIDS activist group ACT UP. The computer files also included information on several members of Congress, including Pelosi, House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ron Dellums (D-Berkeley) and former Republican Rep. Pete McCloskey from the Bay Area. In their statements, Bullock and Gurvitz said the Anti-Defamation League has collected information on political activists in the Los Angeles area for more than 30 years. They said they worked closely with three Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies who specialized in intelligence work, a Los Angeles Police Department anti-terrorism expert and a San Diego County Sheriff's Department intelligence officer. A spokesman for the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department said he knew nothing of any contact between the deputies and the ADL. The Los Angeles Police Department, which earlier refused to cooperate with the investigation, and the San Diego Sheriff's Department declined comment. Bullock, 58, is one of the most intriguing characters in the spy drama. Although he is not Jewish, he began working undercover as a volunteer for the ADL and the FBI in Indiana in 1954 after reading a book about a man who infiltrated the Communist Party. Bullock moved to Los Angeles in 1960 and was given a paid position by the ADL as an intelligence operative, he told authorities. In the mid-1970s, he moved to San Francisco and continued his spy operations up and down the West Coast. To keep his identity secret, his salary has always been funneled through Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman -- who has never missed a payment in more than 32 years, Bullock said. ""I was an investigator for the ADL. I investigated any and all anti-democratic movements,"" Bullock said. "". . . Officially, I'm only a contract worker with Bruce Hochman. That way, the league would not be officially connected with me."" Bullock said he became a master at infiltrating groups from Communists to Arab-American to gay radicals to skinheads, usually using his own name but once adopting the alias Elmer Fink. ""I'm one of a kind,"" he told police. In recent years, however, his ADL affiliation has increasingly become known, and at one point he was confronted by a skinhead armed with a shotgun who threatened to kill him. In the mid-1980s, he helped San Francisco police solve a bombing at a synagogue by combing through the trash of extremist Cory Phelps and matching handwriting with samples on a threatening letter obtained by police. In part because of this investigation, he became close friends with Gerard, who at the time was working in the San Francisco police intelligence division. Bullock frequently searched through the garbage of target groups. An FBI report noted how he investigated one Palestinian group: ""Bullock would write reports based on what he found in the trash, and would share the reports with Gerard. Bullock also gave the trash to Gerard for Gerard to examine. Gerard would later return the trash to Bullock."" From a wide range of sources, Bullock compiled files on 9,876 individuals and more than 950 political groups. Gerard, whose files contained many identical entries, kept files on 7,011 people. In 1987, Bullock and Gerard began selling some of their vast wealth of information to the South African government. Bullock tells of meetings secretly with South African agents at San Francisco hotels and receiving envelopes filled with thousands of dollars in new $100 bills. Bullock insists the information he sold consisted of data he culled only from public sources. Once he rewrote an innocuous item published by San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen about South African Bishop Desmond Tutu and the wife of prominent attorney Melvin Belli -- and submitted it as his own work. Bullock said it was Gerard who sold official police intelligence. Bullock said he split about $16,000 from the South African government evenly with Gerard, telling him at one point, ""I may be gay but I'm a straight arrow."" In his interviews with the police and FBI, Bullock talked freely about engaging in certain activities that prosecutors say would appear to violate the law. For example, Bullock admitted to receiving driver's license records and criminal histories from Gerard on about 50 people -- a fraction of the confidential police data found in his computer. And he said Gerard gave him complete San Francisco Police Department intelligence files on various Nazi groups that were supposed to be destroyed under department policy. Bullock said he also received a confidential FBI report on the Nation of Islam that he later shredded at the Anti-Defamation League's San Francisco office. Bullock seemed proud of his ""Operation Eavesdrop,"" in which he used a paid informant, code-named Scumbag, to help tap into a White Aryan Resistance phone message network, listening to the messages left by members of the right-wing group. ""For a short time, it was wonderful,"" he told police. In Los Angeles, ADL operative Gurvitz was hired about four years ago as a ""fact-finder"" to keep intelligence files and occasionally go undercover to the meetings of target groups. Among other things, he told San Francisco authorities, the Los Angeles ADL office kept a record of any Arab-American who had ""anti-Israel leanings"" or who wrote a letter to a newspaper expressing such sentiment. Gurvitz was recently forced to resign after an incident in which he attempted to misuse the ADL intelligence network to seek revenge on a rival who got a job Gurvitz wanted at the Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies. Gurvitz got confidential police data on the rival and threatened to expose him as a Jewish spy to a right-wing hate group. Gurvitz has since begun cooperating with police and the FBI in the probe, providing considerable information about the ADL operation. Unlike Bullock, he has been assured he is not a subject of the investigation. Gurvitz declined through his father in Los Angeles to be interviewed by The Times. Bullock's attorney said his client would not comment. -- Yigal Arens USC/ISI TV made me do it! arens@isi.edu " 4131,13,"From: robin@ntmtv.com (Robin Coutellier) Subject: Critique of Pressure Point Massager Originator: robin@volans Nntp-Posting-Host: volans Reply-To: robin@ntmtv.com (Robin Coutellier) Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA Distribution: na Lines: 141 As promised, below is a personal critique of a Pressure Point Massager I recently bought from the Self Care Catalog. I am very pleased with the results. The catalog description is as follows: The Pressure Point Massager is an aggressive physical massager that actually kneads the tension out of muscles ... much like a professional shiatsu masseur. The powerful motor drives two counter-rotating ""thumbs"" that move in one-inch orbits -- releasing tension in the neck, back, legs and arms. Pressure Point Massager A2623 $109 To order or receive a catalog, call (24 hours, 7 days) 1-800-345-3371 or fax at 1-800-345-4021. ******** NOTE: When I ordered the massager, the item number was different, and the price was $179, not $109. When I received it, I glanced thru the newer catalog enclosed with it to see anything was different from the first one. I was QUITE annoyed to see a $70 difference in price. I called them about it, and the cust rep said that they had switched manufacturers, although it looks and works exactly the same. He told me to go ahead and return the first one and order the cheaper one, using the price difference as a reason for return. In fact, since the newer ones might take a while to ship from the factory (I received this one in 3 days), he told me I could use the one I already have until the new one arrives, then return the old one. VERY reasonable people. ******** I have long-term neck, shoulder and back pain (if I were a building, I would be described as ""structurally unsound :-) ). I have stretches and exercises to do that help, but the problem never really goes away. If, for whatever reason, I do not exercise for a while (illness, not enough time, lazy, etc.), the muscles become quite stiff and painful and, thus, more prone to further strain. Even with exercise, I sometimes require physical therapy to get back on track, which 1st requires a doctor visit to get the prescription for p.t. The tension in my neck, if not released, eventually causes a headache (sometimes confused with a sinus headache) over my left eye. When my physical therapist has massaged my neck, and the sub-occipital muscles in particular (the 2 knobby areas near the base of the skull), the headache usually eased within a day, although it hurts like hell to while it is being massaged. I ordered this device because it seemed to be exactly what I was wishing someone would invent --a machine that would massage, NOT VIBRATE, my neck and sub-occipital muscles like my physical therapist has done in the past, that I could use by myself. No doctor visit or inconvenient p.t. appts for a week later would be needed to use it. I could get up in the middle of the night and use it, if necessary. I have been using it for about a week or so now, and LOVE it. The base unit is about a 14"" x 9"" rectangle, about 3-3/4"" high, with handles on each side, and it plugs into an average outlet. The two metal ""thumbs"" are about 1-1/2"" in diameter and protrude about 2-1/2"" above the base. The thumbs are covered with a gray cloth that is non-removable. They are located more toward one end, rather than centered (see figure below). They move in either clockwise or counter-clockwise directions, depending on which side of the switch is pushed, and are very quiet. It can be used from either side. For instance, the thumbs can be positioned at the base of the neck or the top of the neck, depending on which direction you approach it. _______________________________ | __ _______________ __ | | | | | | | | | | | | | \^^/ \^^/ | | | | | | | | || || | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________| | | | | |__| |__| | |_______________________________| For the neck/head, the user varies the amount of pressure used by (if laying down) allowing all or part of the full weight of the head and/or neck to rest on the thumbs. The handles can also be used if sitting or standing, applying pressure with the arms/wrists. Since my wrists are also impaired (I'm typing this over an extended period of time), and I don't have someone living with me who can apply it, laying down works well for me. For my back, I sit in a high-backed kitchen chair, position the massager behind me at whatever point I want massaged, and lean back lightly (or not so lightly) against it. The pressure of leaning back holds it in place. If I want to massage the entire spine, I simply move it down a few inches whenever I feel like it. For my back, this machine is far superior to use than the commonly used ""home-made"" massager of 2 tennis balls taped together (with the balls, position (against a wall or door) them over the spine and move the body up and down against them). The tennis balls are better than nothing, but difficult to use for very long, especially if your quads are not in good shape, and my long hair gets (painfully) in the way if I don't pin it up first. As far as I'm concerned, the easier something like this is to use, the more likely I'll use/do it. If there are multiple considerations/hassles, I'm more likely to not bother with it. Not only has this machine helped with my headaches, but my range of motion for my neck and back are greatly increased. The first time I used it on my neck/sub-occipital muscles, however, I overdid it and pressed too hard against it, which resulted in a very tender, almost bruised area for a few days. I laid off it for about 3 days and applied ice, which helped. After that, I was more gradual about applying pressure. At this point, the pain in the sub-occipital area is now minimal while being massaged. I also learned to use VERY LIGHT pressure on my lower back, which is the most vulnerable point for me. It also eased some painful knots of tension between my shoulder blades, although, again, it took a few days of massaging (just a few minutes at a time) to really work it out. I highly recommend this product if you have similar problems, although I cannot vouch for its durability (it seems pretty sturdy), since I've had it such a short time. I plan to use it not only to ease tension, but also to loosen the muscls BEFORE exercising (and maybe after, too). I have been ill recently and not able to exercise much for a few weeks, so this was very timely for me. This is the 1st product I've ordered from this company and only recently became aware of it thru a co-worker. The catalog states they have been in business since 1976. It contains quite a few health care products and, while they appear to be more expensive than the average health care catalog products, they also appear to be of much higher quality with more thought put into what they actually do. Definitely a step above some other ones I've seen such as ""Dr. Leonards Health Care Catalog"" or ""Mature Wisdom"". I'm only 37, but have ended up on some geriatric-type mailing lists (no big surprise here :-) ). I consider many of those products to be rip-offs, particularly targeted toward the elderly, with dubious health benefits. I apologize for the length of this, but it's the kind of info _I_ would like to know before ordering something thru the mail. Robin Coutellier Northern Telecom, Mountain View, CA INTERNET: robin@ntmtv.com UUCP:portal!ntmtv!robin " 4132,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34 He doesn't contradict himself. The church is to last for all time. However, there are those who use the church to bolster themselves. This is evident in many letters. For instance, Paul talks about the ""super-apostles"" to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11-12), he mentions how people will be led away by miracles, signs, and wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12), he tells Timothy that it is clear that some will abandon the faith and teach lies (1 Timothy 4:1-3) and that some will search for teachers to suit what they want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3-4). Such passages go throughout the letters and Jesus does warn about them (Matthew 24:4-14). But look at the promise in this last part. Verse 14: ""And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."" Even today, there are false teachings. I can name two which I am well familiar with: the non-need of baptism and the ""praying of Jesus into your life for salvation"". Both are taught. Both are DEAD wrong. They have been taken out of context from some verses, interpreted from others, and just plain made up. The ONLY way Jesus taught is given in Luke 9:23-26 and Luke 14:25-33. He then commands baptism in Matthew 28:18-20. The church Jesus founded, though, is alive and well. It's not being persecuted as much as back then (the laws won't allow it yet), but it is being persecuted. Joe Fisher > >Peace, >Lou > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >+ Lou Nunez (e-mail lnunez@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu) + >+ + Ps 42(43):4 + Ps 90(91):5-6 + Dn 3:52-90 + Ml 1:11 + + >+ + Ad Altare Dei + Ad Deum Qui Laetificat Juventutem Meam + + >+ + 1Cor 4:15 + MT 16:13-19 + 1Cor 13:1-13 + Luke 10:25-37 + + >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 4133,1,"From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 42 In article <1pscti$aqe@travis.csd.harris.com> srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes: >... >How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a >set of points, edges and faces? Look for edge inconsistencies. Consider two vertices, p and q, which are connected by at least one edge. If (p,q) is an edge, then (q,p) should *not* appear. If *both* (p,q) and (q,p) appear as edges, then the surface ""flips"" when you travel across that edge. This is bad. Assuming (warning...warning...warning) that you have an otherwise acceptable surface - you can pick an edge, any edge, and traverse the surface enforcing consistency with that edge. 0) pick an edge (p,q), and mark it as ""OK"" 1) for each face, F, containing this edge (if more than 2, oops) make sure that all edges in F are consistent (i.e., the Face should be [(p,q),(q,r),(r,s),(s,t),(t,p)]). Flip those which are wrong. Mark all of the edges in F as ""OK"", and add them to a queue (check for duplicates, and especially inconsistencies - don't let the queue have both (p,q) and (q,p)). 2) remove an edge from the queue, and go to 1). If a *marked* edge is discovered to be inconsistent, then you lose. If step 1) finds more than one face sharing a particular edge, then you lose. Otherwise, when done, all of the edges will be consistent. Which means that all of the surface normals will either point IN or OUT. Deciding which way is OUT is left as an exercise... -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham (205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station (205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 " 4134,5,"From: raney@teal.csn.org (Scott Raney) Subject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Lines: 35 queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes: >Hi netlanders, >Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX >platform? There are several products you might investigate. If you've got $20,000 per seat and high-end hardware, Gain Momentum might be a good choice. It isn't compatible with HyperCard, but has a similar architecture (and *way* more functionality). I don't have contact information, but they were recently purchased by Sybase who shouldn't be too hard to find. If you're running News on SPARC, check out HyperLook (hyperlook@turing.com). It uses Postscript as a scripting language which is good if you need to do lots of display oriented scripting, but not so good for non-programmers. It was $995, last I heard. You might also look at our product MetaCard. We're alpha-testing direct importing of HyperCard stacks (we've even made the test release available for anonymous FTP), so we're obviously the closest in functionality. MetaCard runs on most UNIX workstations and costs $495. Email to info@metacard.com for more details. Scott >Thanks in advance >Ron. -- *********************************************************************** * Scott Raney 303-447-3936 Remember: the better you look, * * raney@metacard.com the more you'll see -- Lidia * *********************************************************************** " 4135,2,"From: jwjohn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jerry W. Johnson) Subject: How to Transfer to Video Tape? Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: corpse.ecst.csuchico.edu Hi All, I'm asking for info on behalf of a friend. Is there, what would be, the best way to copy the output of a monitor on to video tape? Any ideas? Please prescribe additional hardware and/or software? (I'm just assuming an Intel/Windows environment). Thanks in advance. --Jerry -- ||=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|| Help Support DAM ||-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|| || Jerry W. Johnson || Struggling CSCI Grad Student || || jwjohn@ecst.csuchico.edu || (Is There Any Other Kind?) || ||=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|| Mothers Against Dyslexia ||-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|| " 4136,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women Organization: sgi Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr6.030734.28563@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) writes: > > I wouldn't consider this quote as being exemplary of the Islamic > (TM) viewpoint though. For all we know, the prophet's cousin and > the Fourth Khalif Hazret-i Ali may have said this after a > frustrating night with a woman. That's very interesting. I wonder, are women's reactions recorded after a frustrating night with a man? Is that considered to be important? jon. " 4137,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Romans 12:10 " 4138,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Drag free satellites (was: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: JPL Joe, your description sounds like one of the gravity probe spacecraft ideas. pat " 4139,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.074836.6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes: >| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. >| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. >| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work >| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). >I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >interface between the controller and the memory. > >My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. Computer: 286-25 mhz Bus: ISA (12.5 mhz) Drive: Maxtor 7213A (213 mb) config.sys / autoexec.bat MS DOS 5 no WIN 3.1 smartdrv.sys cache smartdrv.exe CORE (V 2.7) 6950 k/sec 1390 k/sec 1395 k/sec Norton SI (V 5.0) 730 k/sec 980 k/sec 982 k/sec I'd still like to here from people with VLB-IDE. I still want to know what VLB bus speed is used with IDE drives. I still want to know if some (most ?) IDE drives can handle bus speeds > 8 mhz. PS: A friend with a 286-20 and a new Maxtor 7245 (245 meg IDE) drive gets between 800 - 1000 k/sec (can't remember exactly). I think the bus is running at 8 mhz in this case. " 4140,9,"From: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher) Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Reply-To: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM Organization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology Lines: 3 My dad has always blamed the Phillies collapse in '64 on me... On Sept 21, 1964, the Phillies had something like a 9 game lead with 12 to play. I was born on Sept 21, 1964. The Phils proceeded to lose something like 10 straight while the Cards won 10 straight (does anyone know hte exact numbers?), and a pennant was blown. To this day my dad likes to remind me that it all began when I was born! KRM " 4141,6,"From: shaq@shelley.u.washington.edu (Chris Liu) Subject: Game Boy games wanted! Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu I'm looking for some Game Boy games. Please e-mail me with your list and offers! Thanks! Also, if you have a game boy you want to get rid of, please tell me. Chris " 4142,6,"From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman) Subject: 49cm Womens bike for sale Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems Lines: 29 I have the following bike for sale: type: Dave Scott Centurion 1989 model size: 47 cm c-c grouppo: Shimano 105 cranks: 165 cm pedals: Shimano 105 P1050 with clips and straps frame: Tange II Double butted steel gearing: front: 52/42 rear: 24-22-19-17-15-13 seat: Terry womens gel seat computer: Avocet 30 extras: double water bottle cages extra rear tire 24"" front/700c rear setup My wife is asking for $350 obo. Let me know if you are interested at the address below. Thanks, -- mike -- -- -=--------- Michael C. Whitman ---===------- National System Engineer - Telecom -----=====----- Pyramid Technology Corporation -------=======--- 1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250 ---------=========- Vienna, VA 22182 Phone: (703) 848-2050 Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300 mike@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com -or- uunet!pyrdc!mike " 4143,5,"From: eks@daimi.aau.dk (Eigil Krogh S|rensen) Subject: X-window for PC Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark Lines: 7 If a X-window package exists, that runs om PC, DOS (and maybe MS-windows) I would be very happy to hear about it. Thanx in advance. -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen " 4144,3,"From: mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Gordon) Subject: Gateway ethernet card drivers needed Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 20 Hi all, Could anybody please tell me where I might be able to find device drivers for a couple of older Gateway ethernet cards? I don't have the model number off hand, but they have only a BNC connector, and a header connector for a Novell keycard (one has one installed). I'm looking at using these with a 2 node copy of 10-net that I picked up at a swap meet. (I'd love to do Lantastic or Netware lite, but I'm a poor college student and the price was right.) Please reply via email, as I haven't had a lot of time for news because of exams and such. Mike Gordon N9LOI mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu " 4145,8,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr5.220413.24002 Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 47 In article irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) writes: >In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >>>Two questions that fascinate me:- >> >>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives... >> >>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks? >> >>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck, >>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors. The neck is >>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and >>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest >>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and >>get full-body sunburns. >> > >More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make >their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside >of their group or level of understanding. >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >""Tuba"" (Irwin) ""I honk therefore I am"" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx >irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org DoD #0826 (R75/6) >------------------------------------------------------------------------- That sounds like an awfully closed minded, intolerant attitude. 1/2 :') I'm not a redneck but . . . try a walk in their shoes first. Stereotypes are usually of very limited value. I've seen as many ignorant self-righteous ""open minded"" new age lovers of the great planet Earth as I have ignorant ""red necks"". I don't see a correlation. I don't believe that the ""redneck"" culture, if you can call it that, is necessarily inferior or superior to any other. I gotta have a beer, I'm making too much sense. Next thing you know, I'll be preaching tolerance . . .. and I'm a conservative. Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 4146,11,"From: rjq@phys.ksu.edu (Rob Quinn) Subject: Stray thought (was Re: More technical details Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu In <1993Apr19.134346.2620@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 07:56:39 EDT >From: denning@cs.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning) > The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in >The algorithm operates on 64-bit blocks (like DES) and the chip supports >all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm uses 32 rounds of scrambling >compared with 16 in DES. So in a few years there could be millions of these chips in the USA, all networked together? Sounds like a good science fiction story - the government wants to crack foreign DES (or whatever) messages, so they con the public into individually buying all of the components and installing them. Soon the US could be covered by the largest parallel computer in the world, built on top of our current phone net. -- | ""Those who suppress freedom always Rob Quinn | | do so in the name of law rjq@phys.ksu.edu | | and order."" --John Lindsay QuinnBob@KSUVM.BITNET | " 4147,4,"From: simsh@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Hillel Y. Sims) Subject: How often are SIMMs bad (mail order)? Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 19 Hi everyone. Just the other day, I ordered a VRAM chip for my new LCIII from Mac Connection. They sent it overnight (very nice) and I got it installed, and we found that it didn't work properly. When you put the computer in thousands mode, the bottom of the screen (using the new chip) is all flickering and fuzzy. So I called them up and I'm going to return it for a new one. My question is, how often does such a thing happen with SIMM chips in general? Do you often find when ordering chips that a large portion are bad? Is this a rarity? This is the first chip I've ordered so I have no other experience in this area. I'm just curious if anyone else has had the same type of experience. That's about it. Please email me, and if people want, I can post a summary. Thanks all. -- Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ""Is rot13 rotated 13 forward or backward?"" --Anonymous " 4148,1,"From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) Subject: Re: QuickTime movie available Article-I.D.: mustang.johnsh-060493161931 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: mustang.stu.rpi.edu In article , I wrote: > > I've used the recently-released Macintosh application MPEG to QuickTime to > convert the excellent MPEG ""canyon.mpg"" into a QuickTime movie. While > anyone who would want this movie is perfectly able to convert it > themselves, I thought I'd let the net know that I'd be glad to mail copies > of mine out. The movie conversion took close to SIX HOURS on my poor > little IIcx; in other words, unless you've got a Quadra, you might not want > to tie up your machine in converting this file. > > The movie is a fast fly-through of a fractal-generated canyon landscape. > The movie is 58 seconds long, and uses the compact video compressor (i.e., > QuickTime v1.5). The movie looks okay on 8-bit displays, and looks > absolutely awesome on 16- and 24-bit displays. > > I'd be happy to mail this movie to the first 20 or so people who ask for > it. The only caveat is you need to be able to receive a nine-megabyte mail > message (the movie was stuff-it'ed down to seven megs, but binhex ruined > that party). If more then 20 people want this movie, then it's just more > evidence that the net needs a dedicated QuickTime FTP archive site. C'mon, > someone's gotta have a spare 1.2GB drive out there... Okay, I've received a whole lot of requests for the movie, so for simplicity's sake I can't mail out any more than I've already received (as of 16:30 EDT, Tuesday). Maybe it'll pop up on a site sooner or later. ============================================================================== Hugh Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu) | Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Welcome to Macintosh. Troy, New York, USA | ============================================================================== " 4149,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: How many more Muslim people will be slaughtered by 'SDPA' criminals? Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 257 In article <1993Apr18.051439.5942@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes: >I want this discussion to take place in English, because it is only after Let's face it, if the words don't get into your noggin in the first place, there's no hope. Now tell us, 'SDPA.ORG', a mouthpiece of the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government: what was your role in the murder of Orhan Gunduz and Kemal Arikan? How many more Muslims will be slaughtered by 'SDPA.ORG' as publicly declared and filed with the legal authorities? ""...that more people have to die..."" SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP> ""Yes, I stated this and stand by it."" SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP> January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles Kemal Arikan is slaughtered by two Armenians while driving to work. March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing in self-satisfaction. Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? December 17, 1980 - Sydney Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. Source: Edward K. Boghosian, ""Radical Group Hosts Well-Attended Solidarity Meeting,"" The Armenian Reporter, May 1, 1986, pp. 1 & 18. ATHENS, Greece - An array of representatives of Greek political parties, including the ruling PASOK party, and a host of political groups, both Armenian and non-Armenian, joined to voice their solidarity with the Armenian people in their pursuit of their cause and activities of a new Armenian political force were voiced here on Sunday, April 20 during the 2nd International Meeting of Solidarity with the Armenian People. And judging from encouraging messages offered by the representatives of these political groups and organizations, at least here in Greece, the Armenian Cause enjoys abundant support from a wide spectrum of the political world. The International Meeting of Solidarity was sponsored by the Greek branch of the Armenian Popular Movement, a comparatively new political force headed by younger generations of Armenians, who openly profess their support of the armed struggle and of the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA). The organization has branches in various European and Middle Eastern countries and the United States although some of these branches appear to have gone through a switch of loyalties because of the split within the ranks of ASALA... Voicing the support of PASOK, the ruling party in Greece, to the Armenian people, was Mr. Charalambidi Michalis, a member of the Central Committee of the party and the Greek member of the Permanent People's Tribunal... Explaining the goals and aspirations of the Armenian Popular Movement was Ara Sarkisian. Significant was the address delivered by Mr. Bassam Abu-Salim, on behalf of the Popular Front for the movement's continued support of the Armenians' armed struggle in their pursuit of their cause, pledging that Palestinian operated and run training camps would always be open to Armenian youth who need training for such a struggle. Later, Mr. Abu-Salim, answering a question put to him by this writer, affirmed that his organization had always trained Armenian members of ASALA and that this policy will continue. ""The doors of our camps are always open to Armenian freedom fighters,"" he affirmed. Among the prominent Greek politicians who attended the conference was the son of Prime Minister Papandreou, who himself holds a post in the Greek cabinet; two members of the Cypriot Parliament who had journeyed to Athens for the specific purpose of attending the international gathering; representatives of the Christian Democratic party, EDIK Center party, two wings of the Communist party, representatives of an assortment of labor unions and trade associations, a number of mayors of Greek towns and cities; two Greek members of the European Parliament and other members of the Greek Parliament were also among those who participated in the international conference. Also on hand to follow the deliberations was the ambassador of Bulgaria in Athens. More than significant was the large number of messages received by the organizers, including the following: Palestinian National Revolutionary Movement, Fatah; Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command; the Central Committee of the Palestinian National Liberation Movement-Fatah; the Socialist Progressive Party of Lebanon; Arab Socialist Labor Party; the Kurdistan Democratic Union of Iraq; and numerous other international groups, all noted for their radical stand in the Israeli- Palestinian conflict. SUPPORT FROM ARF-RM Among messages received from Armenian groups was the Armenian Revolutionary Federation-Revolutionary Movement, the group that has claimed the abduction and assassination of key party leaders in Lebanon accused of selling out to foreign interests and powers. The message clearly gave its support to the Armenian Popular Movement pledging that the Revolutionary movement will continue to ""reveal the realities, no matter how bitter or tragic they are,"" to expose the anti-Armenian activities of the leaders of the Dashnag ""Bureau."" The message was taken as an indication of the link, loose as it may be, that exists between the dissident Dashnag group and the Armenian Popular Movement, open supporters of ASALA and armed struggle. The Armenian Popular Movement has set up its headquarters in a suburb of the Greek capital, known as Neos Kosmos, where there is a large Armenian presence. The headquarters are located in a two-story building, which appears to have turned into a beehive of activity on the part of scores of Armenian youth, who prefer to give their first names only when invited to introduce themselves... Now any comment? #From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan) #Subject: Re:Addressing..... #Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu> In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu >(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu. >11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: > >[(*] Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, >[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) >[(*] (287 pages). > >[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published >[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page >[DD] 178, we are asked to believe: > >[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... > >[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) >[VD] ******** > >[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you >[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?.. > >Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]! o boy! Please, can you tell us why those quotes are ""crap""?..because you do not like them!!!...because they really exist...why? As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source given by Serdar Argic .. You couldn't reject it... > >In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK >was published in 1924. Here we go again.. In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively! (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of pages, please ask by sct) I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924) What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your groundless accussations, etc. > [...] > >[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim! > >[VD] what is new? > >I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there >is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time! I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication) and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you are avoiding the real issues by twisting around.. Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication) First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You called Serdar Argic a liar!.. I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote... (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.) And now, you are lying again and talking about ""modified,re-published book"" (without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..).. (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty well suited theories', as usual) And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number and page numbers again for the library use, which are: 949.6 R 198 and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215 > >It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has >377! Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying ""it is not possible..."" ..If not, what is your point? Differences in the number of pages? Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934.. No need to use the same book size and the same letter charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!! The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year first published.. And you tried to hide the whole point.. the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given by Serdar Argic exist!! It was the issue, wasn't-it? you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a ""crap"".. People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still has so many ""craps"" in the 1993. Any question? Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 4150,6,From: kohli@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Mazda GLC for Sale. Lines: 5 Want to sell a 1980 MAZDA GLC for $300 or b.o. Excellent working condition. Just passed inspection. Has a sun roof. No marks on body. Contact soon kohli@ecs.umass.edu or (413_549-4738. kohli 4151,19,"From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US Lines: 72 lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison) writes: > In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony > > > > > > With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider > >the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought > >the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier, > >would amuse you all... > > > > > > The following passages are exact quotes from ""The Southern > >Baptist Convention and Freemasonry"" by James L. Holly, M.D., President > >of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX > >77706. > > > > > ""Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His > >disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."" > >Page 30. > > > > ""The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity > >through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen > >in the writings of the 'great' writers of Freemasonry"". Page 31. > > > I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! , > > > > > >Tony > A Laugh? Tony, this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me, and that > any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the > future of just about anything. Shades of the Branch Davidians, Jim Jones, > and Charlie Manson. > > --Uncle Wolf > --Member Highland Lodge 748 F&AM (Grand Lodge of California) > --Babtized a Southern Babtist > --And one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either. > > > > > > > Not to worry. The Masons have been demonized and harrassed by almost every major Xian church there is. For centuries now. And still they stand. They wil withstand the miserable Southern Boobtists, I am sure. They may even pick up a little support as people start to listen to the Boobtists and realize that subtracting the obvious lies and claims of Satanism that the Masons sound pretty good by comparison. One thing is known. A sizable proportion of Southern Babtists are Masons! And the Masons have already fired back in their own magazines against the Boobtist Witch-hunt. Since the Consrervatives have already been a divisive element with their war on Boobtist moderates and liberals, they may now start in on their Mason/Boobtist brothers and hasten their own downfall as more and more Southern Boobtists realize their church can't stand being run by a handful of clowns looking for holy civil wars and purity tests and drop 'em out of the leadership positions they have taken over. So as far as I am concerned, the louder, ruder, and more outrageous an Anti-Masonic Crusade these old goats mount, the better. Pop some pocorn and get a center row seat. The circus is about to begin. And, Oh Look! HERE COME THE CLOWNS! Pope Charles Slack! ------------------ popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles) Origin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350 " 4152,12,"From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) Subject: Re: Peltier Effect Heat Pumps Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 66 Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <2745@snap>, paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: > >I was having a look through a couple of components catalogues when I >came across a range of Peltier Effect heat pumps intended for cooling >components. For those who have not heard of this effect, you put a >current through one of these devices, and it pumps heat from one side >to the other. Reverse the current and you reverse the effect. I >think a temperature difference can give you an EMF as well. > >Anyway, it struck me that you could make a nice cool/hot box for >picnics with one of these, a power regulator, a thermostat and a >couple of heat sinks. The biggest device can shift 60W with an >efficiency of 80-90%, which ain't bad (although it would flatten my >car battery in about half an hour). > So-Called Cool-Hot boxes have been advetised for several years. I recall Damark advertising them in a recent catalog. Problem with the units is they do a sh***y job of keeping food cold/warm. The peliter devices used just don't seem to have enough punch to keep up. If you want something hot, you need to heat it up before you put it in the box, and end up hours later with food thats only moderately warm. Same goes for cold items. >Unfortunately the catalogue didn't list anything more than the basic >specs as a heat pump. I imagine that you would get a back-EMF as the >temperature gradient across the device increases. If so, presumably >its power decreases as the back-EMF increases, until eventually we >have a steady state with no current being consumed (assuming no >leakage). If so, then the final temperature difference between the >two sides could be set by the supply voltage and nothing more >(although that would be a lousy way to control it). > >What I would like to know is: > >1: Are the above guesses correct? > >2: What is the open-circuit thermal resistance of a typical device? > (I just want to be sure that my coolbox is not going to get warm > too fast when I unplug it) You'de probably be better off getting a good Coleman(tm) cooler and stocking up on ""blue ice"" blocks. > >3: How does a Peltier Effect heat pump actually work? It looks like > magic! > >4: Why don't they use these things in domestic fridges/freezers? > Same as above. Not enough ""punch"" in them to keep/get things cold/hot. > >Thanks in advance, > >Paul. > >Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 >--------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- >These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not >for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport | Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!! BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV | | My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call 1-800-UWH-INER " 4153,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: H.R. violations by Israel/Arab st. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500360:000:2383 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 16:07:00 1993 Lines: 48 Many of you ask me whether I approve of severe human rights violations by Arab States becuse I focus on Israeli human rights violations. Let's make things clear: My opposition to H.R. violations in Arab States is total and without qualification. No Arab State is and can claim to be democratic. No Arab state claims to be democratic. I am born in Palestine (now Israel). I have family there. The lack of peace and utter injustice in my home country has affected me all my life. I am concerned by Palestine (Israel) because I want peace to come to it. Peace AND justice. If anybody has legitimate claims towards Arab states, he should present his claims and ask for support. Jews who left Arab states are fully entitled to make claims and should do so, if they consider their case has a merit. It is their basic right to return to these countries, if they wish. If not, they should not complain and compare themselves to the Palestinians who have been struggling for the right of return since Israel was established and whose right is upheld by the United Nations quasi totally. If Jews feel discriminated in Arab countries, they have a legitimate claim that any decent person can and should support. Human rights violations by Arab States don't justify, legitimate nor are the cause for Israeli breaches of international law and human rioghts. Israeli breaches stem from the Zionist concept, which can only be implemented by negating basic rights to Palestinians. Israeli trights and Palestinian rights are not symmetrical. The first party has a state and the other has none. The first is an occupier and the second the occupied. For any meaningful relationship to emerge, some symmetry must be established. As long as Israelis and Jews don't realise the necessity of a change of perspective towards the Palestinian people and as long as Israelis and Jews don't want to exorcise their own past towards the Palestinians (the Naqba of 1948, etc.) and refuse to acknowledge that the creation of Israel was dependent upon the removal of most Palestinian Arabs, there will be no base for a real trust. When I read the first time the list of the 383 Arab villages destroyed by the State of Israel in and after 1948, I got a shock. I hope others will be touched by this discovery and think about the meaning of such massive destruction and destitution. Elias Davidsson Iceland " 4154,7,"From: tjz6624@zeus.tamu.edu (ZINGALE, THOMAS J) Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 51 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , Srinagesh Gavirneni writes... >I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k >and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said >it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He >said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it >had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He >quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30 >outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor >is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it >malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy >sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also, >did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also, >what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction. > Any help would be greatly apprecisted > Thanks > Nagesh I have owned my Sprint from the beginning and that sensor light comes on every 30K to let you know it's time for a check up. When that light goes on, I just take it to the delaer tell them ""It's that time"" and they work on it for 4 hou and you pay $5 for parts and $100 for labor. (Ahh...what they get for labor) I currently have about 95K on my Sprint and of all the times I took it in for service, I never say on the payment sheet anything about the replacement of the Oxygen sensor. What the heck is an Oxygen sensor? As far an I know of, I have never had that thing replaced in my car and the car is purring like a kitten. Now, I don't have a/c (Mother Nature does that for me :-) ) and that might have something to do with it, but I still never heard of an Oxygen sensor. The only MAJOR service job I have had on my car (besides getting the tires replaced if you want to call that a service job) was getting the Rotor, Distributor and Gasket replaced. And that was all done within the past 2 months. What I do at 30K is have a good tune-up, let them replace what ever they need to, pay the bill (about $125) and go home and don't worry about the car for another 30K. Oh, I just remembered something. If that little sensor light bothers you, in the fuse box right below the turn-signal lever up against the dash, there is a swith on the right side. Flip that switch and the light will go off. I do that so that little light won't annoy me. If you can't find it, look it up in the car manuel. I hope that I have helped a little and good luck with the _Oxygen sensor_? - Thomas - ****************************************************************************** * E-Mail Address: * ""Give me an an army of West Point, * * TJZ6624@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU * graduates and I'll win a battle... * * * Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, * * ""Creator of MOT POWER!"" * and I'll win a war."" * * * - Gen. George S. Patton * ****************************************************************************** " 4155,6,"From: wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brent) Subject: Sony CarDiscman ForSale Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 33 I have a used Sony D-808K CarDiscman for sale. I bought it new on June 16, 1992. It still has the one-year warranty intact. Specifications: Sony's best car discman perfect condition 8X oversampling 1-bit D/A converter 3-beam laser pickup dual color display DSP sound processing (Bass Boost and DDS modes) w/ 3 levels of effect 2-way repeat hold mode can also run on just 2 AA batteries 30 track programming w/ repeat random play w/ delete fused cigarette lighter adapter (could save the player if something goes wrong Accesories: headphone plug & line-out jack Sony MDR-34 headphones AC power Adapter patch cord for home use automobile mouting plate car conecting pack remote control(great for home use) carrying case extra fuses This unit is great to use in any car. Can be moved easily between vehicles. Works well in home or car. Just need cigaraette lighter/outlet and a cassette player. I have everything that it came with manuals, packaging, receipts etc. The unit is in perfect condition with normal well taken care of use. Extremely versatile and manuverable unit that can be used anywhere. I am asking $250 for the system and extras. Please e-mail if interested. Brent Wagner wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (317) 495-4471 " 4156,6,"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Electronics Summary: here they are Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 20 Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. $20 plus shipping. If you are interested in either of the above mail me at radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu. _ _ // Major: Computer Science / mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) writes: >belief that their faith is total truth. According to them, >their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of >God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance >makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own >hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way. >Their way is the 'truth.' > >But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe >a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason, >but it seems to me a choice. > >My discussions with some Christians remind me of schoolyard >discussions when I was in grade school: > >A kid would say, ""All policemen are jerks!"" I'd ask, ""How do >you know?"" ""Because my daddy told me so!"" ""How do you know >you're daddy is right?"" ""He says he's always right!"" > >Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end, >aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have >the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as >false? I find this argument very strange, though not unfamiliar. An analogy someone used a while back can perhaps illustrate it. Say, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group of geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on the island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on the island is given the task of warning others of the danger. They believe the danger is real, but others may not. Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs are correct, and all others are false? Some might indeed react to opposition with arrogance, and behave in an arrogant manner, but that is a personal idiocyncracy. It does not necessarily mean that they are all arrogant. ============================================================ Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org stephen.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org " 4158,14,"From: jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu (Jim Scotti) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr21.170817.15845@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: > >> > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were: >> > > >> > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii >> > > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii > >> > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. ... > >> Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. > >Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to >me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American >has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil >Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. >Same person? Neil Gehrels is Prof. Tom Gehrels son. Tom Gehrels was the discoverer of P/Gehrels 3 (as well as about 4 other comets - the latest of which does not bear his name, but rather the name ""Spacewatch"" since he was observing with that system when he found the latest comet). >-- >Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Information! ... We want information!"" >utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner --------------------------------------------- Jim Scotti {jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu} Lunar & Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA --------------------------------------------- " 4159,3,"From: tclark@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Terry Clark) Subject: Re: CACHE or Micronics EISA/VLB Motherboard? Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 38 From article <1993Apr15.205654.20845@news.cs.indiana.edu>, by ""Mohammad Al-Ansari"" : > > (CLIP) I am in > the process of purchasing an EISA/VL Bus 486 DX2-66 computer > (CLIP) > The first is Ares and they use a Cache motherboard (that's > the brand of the motherboard) with OPTI chip set, the other is Micron > (formerly Edge Technology) and they use the Micronics EISA/VLB > motherboard. > (CLIP) > I would REALLY appreciate any input on this. Is the Micron machine the > clear choice? Does anyone know anything positive or negative about > either company? Has anyone ever heard of Cache motherboards? Should I > go with Micron just because it has the Micronics motherboard? etc. > > Thanks very much in advance for any information. > > -- > Mohammad Al-Ansari Get back to your vendors, or better yet the board manufactures and get some more info: Where made. Norton indexes (yeah I know BMs suck but whats a mother to do?) number of slots, and types, # ESIA and # 32 bit? Any IDE or SCSI on board? How easy to upgrade RAM, location and # of pins. OVERDRIVE? Oscilator kits? Does it have a 16550 UART? Who's BIOS? These might make you feel better about either system, but I must agree that Ares with 7 days of 24 hr Tech and 2 year warranty is encouraging. ________________________________________________________________ Terry Clark tclark@umaxc.uiowa.edu You want an Opinion - You don't pay me enough for an Opinion " 4160,6,"From: forsythe@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Michael Goldberger) Subject: FOR SALE: MAC CLASSIC AND STYLEWRITER 1 Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 6 I am selling my Macintosh Classic and Stylewriter 1 to the highest bidder. You can reach me at 415 626-5869 (San Francisco)), or via email at forsythe@leland.stanford.edu. -David Goldberger " 4161,3,"From: husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) Subject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 20 pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) writes: >Which they do in the vast majority of cases. Remember that it's only the >people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who >love it, and the ones who hate it. You don't hear from the folks in the >middle very often... >They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar, >and use almost all top-quality components. I am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with my system. I had my share of problems/corrections/phone conversations/etc. I'm satisfied on what I got for my money. Stephen R. Husak -- ""What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you anything you didn't know when you woke up today..."" - Depeche Mode ""Nothing"" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES -= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois " 4162,19,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 54 : In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a : reach. Science has its basis in observable fact. I'd say that what one chooses to observe and how the observation is interpreted and what significance it's given depends a great deal on the values of the observer. Science is a human activity and as such, is subject to the same potential for distortion as any other human activity. The myth that scientists are above moral influence or ethical concern, that their knowledge can be abstacted whole and pure from nature untainted by the biases of the scientist, is nonsense. Bill : If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must : first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering : the meaning of the word ""objective"" I doubt that this will ever happen. : So, back to the original question: : And objective morality is.....? This may be an unfortunate choice of words, almost self-contradictory. Objective in the sense used here means something immutable and absolute while morality describes the behavior of some group of people. The first term is all inclusive, the second is specific. The concept supposedly described may have meaning however. If there is a God as described by the Christians (for instance), then He has existence apart from and independent of humankind; His existence is outside of our frame of reference (reality). If this being declares a thing to be so, it is -necessarily- so since He has defined Himself as omnipotent and, if His claims are to be believed, He is at least omnipotent relative to us. God is intrinsically self-defined and all reality is whatever He says it is - in an objective sense. If God determines a standard of conduct, that standard is objective. If human beings are held accountable for their conformance to that standard while permitted to ignore it, they substitute a relative morality or mode of conduct, giving the term morality a nebulous, meaningless sense that can be argued about by those pretending to misunderstand. The standard is objective and the conduct required to meet that standard is therefore objectively determined. Just because it is convenient to pretend that the term morality is infinitely malleable, doesn't mean that the objective standard itself doesn't exist. Morality has come to mean little more than a cultural norm, or the preferred conduct of ""decent"" people, making it seem subjective, but it is derived from an absolute, objective, standard. Ironically, this objective standard is in perfect accord with our true nature (according to Christianity at least), yet is condemned as being contrary to human nre, oppressive and severe. This may be due as Bill much to our amoral inclinations as to the standard itself, but like it or not, it's there.x " 4163,12,"From: kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe) Subject: Re: Telephone Controlled Power Bar Needed Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 25 I had a similar idea, for a fax/answering machine switch, to put both machines on one line. You order distinctive ringing from your phone company. This is $3/month here. You get a second (unpublished) phone number. When someone calls this number, your phone rings with short rings instead of long rings. You set up your answering machine on 4 rings and your fax on six rings. You'd give out the new # as your fax #. A device would measure the length of rings. When it detects a short ring, it turns off your answering machine. Five rings later your fax picks up the call. This should be cheaper and more elegant than the $80 switches now available. But that's not what I did. I'm giving out the new # to my friends and customers. This should leave the old # for telemarketers, etc. I won't pick up the phone when I hear the long rings. -- ""Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out they are another's."" - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692. Thomas David Kehoe kehoe@netcom.com (408) 354-5926 " 4164,11,"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 19 In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? As far as I know ISDN (call it Swissnet here, and it's being plugged in) it's 8 bit 8000Hz (gives you one channel of 64kBit/sec) I guess you should not go below a sampling rate of 6000 Hz if you want to have same quality as on an analog-line. Anybody knows compression-algorithms & -factors for voice ? Greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F " 4165,6,"From: robm@ataraxia.Berkeley.EDU (Rob McNicholas) Subject: FOR SALE: 1984 Toyota Pickup - $2800 Organization: Technical and Computing Services, U.C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA Lines: 26 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: ataraxia.berkeley.edu PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ACCOUNT FOR SALE: Blue 1984 Toyota pickup truck with white blazer topper, AM/FM/Casette, A/C, cruise control. Great for camping trips. New: brakes, master brake cylinder, Michelin tires, shocks, maintenance free battery, clutch, windshield wipers. Well maintained with all Toyota parts (all repairs done at the dealers.) Very little rust, body in good shape. 126K miles Asking $2800. If interested, please contact: Ursula Fritsch umf@gene.com (415)-347-6813 PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ACCOUNT -- Rob McNicholas Technical & Computing Services, EE/CS, U.C. Berkeley robm@eecs.berkeley.edu Voice: 510/642-8633 FAX: 510/643-7846 " 4166,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Salvation by deeds Organization: Indiana University Lines: 3 Another guess to your salvation riddle would be ""saved"". Joe Fisher " 4167,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 1. Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 49 Here is a copy of my first update on the Randy Weaver trial. After a large response (about 15 email messages), I've decided that there is sufficient interest here on t.p.g. to warrant posting. *** file follows *** Hi Folks; As perhaps the only Boise resident on the list, I guess it kind of falls on me to keep people updated about the Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial. Yesterday marked the seating of the jury. Apparently no other legal activities occurred. The jury was selected and things start today. More interesting is what happenned outside. About a dozen Weaver supporters showed up to stage a protest outside the courthouse. One woman carried a sign that read, ""Who stands trial for the murder of Vicki and (son's name - I forget) Weaver?"" On the evening news she said, ""I am here protesting because I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I thought we all did."" Nice sound bite (grin)! The news reporter also interviewed some guy named ""Tim"" who refused to give his last name. Not to prejudge the guy, but he looked like a neo-nazi. He also said he expected many neo-nazis to show up throughout the trial. ""Tim"" had been handing out leaflets in support of Weaver and Harris and the news had footage of a Boise cop telling him to move along or he'd arrest. I don't know the finer points of this one. Perhaps there's a law against political activity within X feet of a courthouse or something (what happenned to the First Amendment?!?). Most ominous of all was that the local reporter filmed an agent of the Gestapo...err...ATF with a minicam FILMING THE PROTESTORS! Welcome to the world of Big Brother. Anyhow, Gerry Spence came out and asked the protestors to leave because he didn't think it would help Weaver's case any. He said he was confident that, once the evidence came out, that Weaver would be aquitted. More stuff as it comes available. Drew " 4168,0,"From: wilkins@scubed.com (Darin Wilkins) Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! Nntp-Posting-Host: renoir Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA Lines: 22 >>FROM: mathew >>The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's >>finished writing a sequel to the Bible. In article <2944079995.1.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: >Writing the Seven Seals or something along those lines. He's already >written the first of the Seven which was around 30 pages or so and has >handed it over to an assistant for PROOFREADING!. I would expect any >decent messiah to have a built-in spellchecker. Maybe Koresh 2.0 will >come with one. I heard he had asked the FBI to provide him with a word processor. Does anyone know if Koresh has requested that it be WordPerfect5.0? WP5.0 was written (and is owned) by Mormons, so the theological implications of requesting (or refusing) WP5.0 are profound! darin wilkins@scubed.scubed.com ________________________________ | | | I will be President for food | |______________________________| " 4169,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: , mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.065230.18676@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> |> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: |> >The ""automobile system"" kills non-driving passengers, not to mention |> >pedestrians. You need not drive or even use a car to be killed by one. |> |> Indeed, and it kills far more than a system of public transport would. I am |> therefore entirely in favour of banning private cars and replacing them with |> trains, buses, taxis, bicycles, and so on. Seconded. I cycle to work each day, and if we could just get those damned cars and their cretinous drivers off the road, it would be a lot more fun. jon. " 4170,2,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: TrueType fonts that display but do not print. Summary: Adjust OutlineThreshold Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr17.134725.15882@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) writes: >I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1 >but though all the applications display the font correctly on the >screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly >(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer). ... >But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square >boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does >display the font correctly on the screen. This is a common problem with highly complex TrueType fonts. Microsoft admits to a problem with older versions of the PostScript printer driver, but I've found it to be pretty generic. You can get around the problem by adjusting the parameter OutlineThreshold in the [TrueType] section of WIN.INI. This entry specifies the number of pels-per-em at which Windows will render TrueType fonts as outline fonts instead of as bitmap fonts. The default is 256. I've generally been able to get fonts to work by setting OutlineThreshold=160. Depending on your printer resolution and the point size you are using, you may need a different value. The Windows Resource Kit warns against going above 300. Presumably, that might cause fonts to print as square boxes or something. :-| (I'm not smiling.) -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 4171,3,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: Share your optimization tips Article-I.D.: seas.1993Apr6.155426.14581 Organization: George Washington University Lines: 46 In article <1993Apr5.163224.9526@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rmm@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.m.maniscalco) writes: >In article <1pm61pINNp45@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar) writes: >>According to e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein): >>> Here's another one: >>> >>> 5. My computer arrived with the following statement in its >>> config.sys file: STACKS = 9,256. I changed it to >>> STACKS = 8,128 and saved 1296 bytes. Maybe it could be >>> lowered even more, but I haven't tried it. >> >>Exactly. >> >>Regardless of what Microsoft says, I have set STACKS=0,0 on every single >>computer I have installed Windows on from a simple 386SX-16 up to 486DX-50 >>with EISA motherboards, NDI Volante TIGA adapters, Intel Ethernet Express >>cards, and caching SCSI controllers from DPT and DTC. >> >>Not a problem yet, and the extra 2K+ gained means a lot with conventional >>memory gobbling programs like OrCAD and Tango PCB. >>-- >>John Bodnar : ""While we liked developing Windows >>The University of Texas at Austin : applications, we never inhaled."" >>Internet: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu : >>UUCP: ....!cs.utexas!ut-ccwf!jbodnar : -- Borland CEO Philippe Kahn > > > >I remember reading somewhere (QEMM manual, I think) that >STACK=9,256 is needed only for the Windows SETUP program. >Otherwise, use STACK=0,0. > > Rich> > Hmmmmmm...I got my comp with windows pre-installed, and stacks is still 9,256. if it was needed only for setup, wouldn't the morons take it off??? (also, I don't have the qemm manual, as verything came with the comp, but not the qemm manual, so could anyone verify this???) Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| ""Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down, \\\\ | Dug for him a shallow grave, and lay his body down..."" (GD) " 4172,3,"From: ac940@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lau Hon-Wah) Subject: Re: Choosing an appropriate Power Supply--PLEASE HELP! Reply-To: ac940@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lau Hon-Wah) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 24 In a previous article, lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) says: [...] > >The problem is that I recently had an HD go bad and >someone suggested that it may have been because of >an inadequate Power Supply -- How does one know >what kind of wattage is necessary to run two large >Maxtors (1.2 and 660). I am not an expert. My understanding is the watts output of the power supply must exceed the sum of the hard disk watts requirement. Typically, a 200W power supply is sufficient to power a PC. Hope this help. Lau Hon-Wah -- " 4173,9,"From: loos@cup.hp.com (Joe Loos) Subject: Bonds vs. Maddux Nntp-Posting-Host: hpisq3lk.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 27 I've been following the Giants closely over the off-season -- newspapers, notesgroup, etc -- but I had my first up close and personal last night at the Stick. After watching Giants hitters struggle last year, Barry's swing was very impressive -- he's very quick and his swing seems effortless, even compared to Clark (particularly Clark as of late). It was interesting to see Bonds hit Maddux so well. I'm not sure if Barry was after revenge against the Braves or what but he stroked three very pretty hits (1b, 2b, hr) for 5 rbi's. The Giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in addition to Bonds. There has been some good pitching and some hitters seem to be swinging much better. Clayton's defense has been superb. McGee seems to like leading off this year. Manwaring is driving the ball. So on & so forth. I hope it continues...I think they need to continue well into June before people are really sold that they are for real--particularly the pitching. For myself, I think the fresh start of Magowan/Baker/etc has really wiped out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor in helping them significantly improve over last year. Joe Loos loos@cup.hp.com " 4174,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 25 In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes: >Public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely >have your gun stolen, use it yourself on a family member or >have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal. Actually, they won't. What they'll tell you is that if you add up the number of suicides, murders of one drug dealer by another, legit self-defenses of a battered spouse, and so on, you'll end up with a number that is much larger than the number of self-defense killings against strangers committed in the bedroom. (BTW - they didn't honestly count the latter either, but let's not quibble.) They try to claim that comparison is between the costs of self-defense and the benefits, but they're wrong. This comparison doesn't measure the costs of self-defense and it doesn't measure the benefits either. For example, the goal is not to kill the attacker, whatever your relationship to him, but to stop him. While the number of killings may be proportional to the number of stops, it isn't equal. Anyone who confuses that comparison with an honest evaluation is either lying or.... -andy -- " 4175,19,"From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) Subject: What we can learn from the Waco wackos Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 34 There are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess: 1) When they start getting desperate for an answer to the question: ""What's it all about. Mr. Natural?"", pinkboys will buy darn near *anything*, which means: 2) There's still plenty of $$$$ to be made in the False Jesus business by enterprising SubGenii. Just remember that: 3) Once you've separated the pinks from their green, don't blow it all on automatic weapons from Mexico. Put it in a Swiss bank account. Smile a lot. Have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports. The Con will just shrug you off as long as: 4) You never, never, NEVER start to believe your own bulldada! If ""David Koresh"" hand't started swallowing his own ""apocalypso now"" crap, he'd be working crossword puzzles in the Bahamas today instead of contributing to the mulch layer in Waco. This is because: 5) When you start shooting at cops, they're likely to shoot back. And most of 'em are better shots than you are. In short: - P.T. Barnum was right and - Stupidity is self-correcting Thus endeth the lesson. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * ""One Step Beyond"" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * ""You'll pay to know what you *really* think!"" * * -- J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs"" * ************************************************************ " 4176,7,"From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: engr.Apr06.203257.20048 Distribution: na Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 In article <1993Apr6.194738.20021@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: [blah blah blah] >Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up. let's create a new group: rec.autos.CR-is-right-no-its-not-yes-it-is-oh-yeah- my-father-can-lick-your-father-....... :-) eliot " 4177,16,"From: v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 24 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes... >In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is >>next? The Mormons or Jews? > >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) > >Be thankful that the BATF standoff at least got some of the kids out before >the cult committed mass suicide. > Dont you believe that the Branch Davidians committed suicide for one minute. I would not put it past the FBI to lob in some incendiary grenades while they feed your their story. Don't ever ever trust what your wonderful government tells you. Janet Reno and the FBI have the murder of a hundred people on their hands. Hope they can sleep at night.... P.Vasilion, kb2nmv SUNY @ BUFFALO <> ""All you cult haters happy now? Just hope that your not next."" " 4178,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Lines: 25 : There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion. They can't : be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the : PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses : voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or : satellite circuits. : I can't remember the generic term for these chips. My impression is that : this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that : it isn't done much now. Codecs. They have to get about 6:1 compression on 8 bit samples to squeeze them down v32bis. I played around with the lossless 'shorten' program last night, but it only managed 2.5:1. I've got some specimen CELP code but it's not obvious that it runs in real time; I think it's just proof-of- concept code, and I have some mucking about with file formats to do before I can put my own sample through it. Looks like the current option is to use a voice-mail modem with built-in DSP chip to do this in hardware. That means two modems for a system, putting the cost at $600 upwards. Ouch. Maybe soon we'll be able to do it in software on high-powered games consoles - isn't the 3DO an Acorn RISC machine inside? That cpu runs like shit off a shovel... and will be nicely mass-market too. G " 4179,10,"Subject: Paul Kuryia and Canadian World Team From: apland@mala.bc.ca Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 6 Heard last night that Paul Kuryia will be playing for the Canadian World Hockey team this year. He was on a local radio station when a friend of the familty called to congratulate him on the invitation. Meekly Paul told the host that he didn't think they wanted it out yet. This morning I heard that he is destined to play on a line with Lindros and Recci{unsure of this one}. If he plays well in this arena, he could go #1 or 2 in the draft. " 4180,5,"From: david@swat (David E. Smyth) Subject: Re: Looking For David E. Smyth Nntp-Posting-Host: swat Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA) Lines: 16 zvi@nynexst.com (Zvi Guter) writes: >The author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found >in the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de, >but the mail bounced back. Here I am!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Smyth david@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Senior Software Engineer, (818)306-6463 (temp! do NOT use v-mail) X and Object Guru. tempory office: 525/B70 Jet Propulsion Lab, M/S 525-3660 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the earliest possible date you can't prove it won't be done by? - Tom DeMarco ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4181,0,"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 47 In emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes: >In article lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes: >>Hmmmm. Define objective morality. Well, depends upon who you talk to. >>Some say it means you can't have your hair over your ears, and others say >>it means Stryper is acceptable. _I_ would say that general principles >>of objective morality would be listed in one or two places. >>Ten Commandments >>Sayings of Jesus >>the first depends on whether you trust the Bible, >>the second depends on both whether you think Jesus is God, and whether >> you think we have accurate copies of the NT. >Gong! >Take a moment and look at what you just wrote. First you defined >an ""objective"" morality and then you qualified this ""objective"" morality >with subjective justifications. Do you see the error in this? >Sorry, you have just disqualified yourself, but please play again. >>MAC >> >eric Huh? Please explain. Is there a problem because I based my morality on something that COULD be wrong? Gosh, there's a heck of a lot of stuff that I believe that COULD be wrong, and that comes from sources that COULD be wrong. What do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning? COuldn't that be wrong? MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 4182,12,"From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) Subject: correction re Audio relay followup Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 12 Gremilins have attacked my keyboard and the correction to my followup on audio relays got fouled up. Varying lamp resistance, should read, ""Varying lamp voltage"" -- 73, Tom ================================================================================ Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) ================================================================================ " 4183,14,"From: apryan@vax1.tcd.ie Subject: STS-56 Press Kit Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College Dublin Lines: 9 Does anyone know ifthe STS-56 email press kit was ever released? -Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address). (WORLD'S LARGEST ASTRO. SOC. per capita - unless you know better? 0.033%) Tel: 0891-88-1950 (UK/N.Ireland) 1550-111-442 (Eire). Cost up to 48p per min " 4184,14,"From: collins@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Collins) Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 29 The difficulties of a high Isp OTV include: Long transfer times (radiation damage from VanAllen belts for both the spacecraft and OTV Arcjets or Xenon thrusters require huge amounts of power so you have to have either nuclear power source (messy, dangerous and source of radiation damage) or BIG solar arrays (sensitive to radiation, or heavy) that make attitude control and docking a big pain. If you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with current technology. Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted by international treaty. Refueling (even for very high Isp like xenon) is still required and] turn out to be a pain. You either have to develop autonomous rendezvous or long range teleoperation to do docking or ( and refueling) . You still can't do much plane change because the deltaV required is so high! The Air Force continues to look at doing things this way though. I suppose they are biding their time till the technology becomes available and the problems get solved. Not impossible in principle, but hard to do and marginally cheaper than one shot rockets, at least today. Just a few random thoughts on high Isp OTV's. I designed one once... Steve Collins " 4185,8,"From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley) Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>> Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 25 From article , by mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman): > Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket > on. Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all. It was > only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the > exhaust on the right side. The exhaust is 4-2 MAC. I bought new plugs > today and it runs very rough and still won't idle. I am quite sure the fine > tune knobs on the carbs are messed up. I checked the timing, it was fine, so > I advanced it a little and that didn't help. > > I assume the carbs need to be synched. Can I buy a kit and do this myself? > If so, what kit is the best for the price. > > Any other suggestions? > I dont think its the carbs that are out, I would suspect that the cam timing is out, & as you say that you had the head off, that would make sense to me, Ian. Just my 0.02 emu's worth. -- Ian Deeley ""...Whatever you do will be School of Engineering | | insignificant, but its very University of Sussex --=oOo=-- important that you do it.."" England. Anon " 4186,15,"From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Good Jewish Arguments Lines: 90 kwfinken@pooh.harpo.uccs.edu (Kevin W. Finkenbinder) wrote: >scott@born.phys.virginia.edu wrote: >: >:[intro deleted...] >: >: 1) Jesus wasn't really descended from David as the Messiah was supposed >: to have been. Joseph was, but Christians say that Joseph wasn't related to >: Jesus truthfully. > > If you look at the geneology of Christ in Luke 3 and the one in >Matthew 1 you will notice that they trace different lines back to David. >I have been told that one traces Mary's line back to David and the other >traces Joseph's line back to David. (Both of them go beyond David in >history) Acording to some of my Jewish friends, ""Jewishness"" is passed >to a child by the mother and the legal rights of ""Jewishness"" are passed >through the father. If it is true that one of these geneologies is >Mary's, then Christ's bloodline is from David through His mother. This >also means that Christ had all of the legal rights of a decendant of >David as according to at least Roman law (and possibly Mosaic law as >well, but I am not sure) Joseph was Christ's LEGAL FATHER. The argument for Luke's genealogy being that of Mary is very weak. According to Luke 3:23 And when he began his ministry, Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, Aside from the fact that Mary is not mentioned, there are two possible interpretations: either Joseph was her father or he was her brother. Clearly this is not acceptable. A third would be that Joseph, the son of Eli, was her Father and just happened to have the name as the man to whom she was betrothed. But that would seem to be grasping at straws. The most straightforward interpretation is that Luke had no intention of tracing Mary's genealogy (in which case he would have named her) but that he traces her husband's, from David's son Nathan. The Matthew descendant list most definitely traces down from David's son, Solomon, to Joseph. Matthew 1:16 reads: And to Jacob was born Joseph, the husband of Mary, by whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. There are two apparent problems. The first is, how to reconcile the two paternal genealogies - which diverge with the sons of David, Solomon and Nathan. The second is, why is any genealogy of Joseph relavent at all, if Joseph had nothing to do with it. If Joseph was not Jesus's physical father, then the original poster is quite correct, that claims for Jesus's messianic heritage are not based on truth but only on appearances, whatever Jesus's divine nature was. The second problem is easy, in my mind. We assume that Joseph was not involved in the conception of Jesus in any way. However, a Holy Spirit capable of working a physical conception in Mary is also capable of employing the physical agency of Joseph's seed in this work. In our materialistic times we interpret viginity and its loss solely in terms of a physical act, whereas it is really a matter of purity on a much higher level as well. The important thing is that neither Mary nor Joseph was conscious of any union between them (they had not ""known""each other). Thus the first gospel's dedication of half its opening chapter to the genealogy of Joseph is quite relevant to Jesus, the Virgin birth not- withstanding. To the first question there is an answer that creates, to begin with, more problems than it resolves. It is that the two evangelists are relating the births of two entirely different children of two entirely different sets of parents. Except for the names of the parents and the child, and the birthplace in Bethlehem there is no point in common between the two stories. Matthew and Luke converge in their accounts only thirty years later with the Baptism of Jesus in Jordan. Rudolf Steiner offered his explanation of how these accounts begin with two children and then converge with their accounts of the one Jesus of Nazareth. He did not derive his resolution from biblical study or speculation, or from other external documents, and the discussion of ""how this could be"" might bring us beyond the limits of appropriateness for this newsgroup. In any case, the details are described in Steiner's ""The Spiritual Guidance of the Human Being and of Humanity"", ""The Gospel of St. Luke"", and ""The Gospel of St. Matthew"". Whether or not Rudolf Steiner's methods and explanation are accepted as valid, at least this interpretation resolves the apparent contradictions of the two genealogies while leaving the text intact. As for the passing of one's Jewishness through the mother, this was never an issue with Jesus. No one ever questioned his or Mary's Jewishness. The issue of the genealogies has to do with his paternal line of descent from David, the king. Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com) " 4187,6,"From: jboro@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Jason Boro) Subject: 2 PC's, chair & typewriter in Boston Organization: Center for Clinical Computing - Boston, MA. Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cheever.bih.harvard.edu 1. IBM PS/2 286; 30 meg hd; 1.44 disk drive 3.5""; extended keyboard; mouse, mouse-pad; DOS, DOSSHELL, EXCEL, WINDO S, WORD, AMIPRO, GRE StudyWare. $500 / b.o. 2. Zenith Date Systems supersport laptop computer w/ 120V AC recharger; model 150-308 60 hz. DOS 4.0 2 disc drives for 3.5"" floppy carrying case, manuals. $350 / b.o. 3. 2 leather desk chairs (1) black $200. (2) brown $150. or both for $300. 4. Olivetti manual typewriter, Tropical model. Incl. characters for typing in Italian language. $100. Please reply via email or call me at my home number: (617) 277-9234. Thanks, Jason *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Jason Boro ....................... jboro@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA (617) 732-5925 | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* " 4188,0,"Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr6.124112.12959@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes: >For the guy who said he's just arrived, and asked whether Bobby's for real, >you betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse. >I have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone >(Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff? Sorry, I was, but I somehow have misplaced my diskette from the last couple of months or so. However, thanks to the efforts of Bobby, it is being replenished rather quickly! Here is a recent favorite: -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 4189,17,"From: iacovou@thufir.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) Subject: Re: If You Feed Armenians Dirt -- You Will Bite Dust! Nntp-Posting-Host: thufir.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 34 In <1993Apr5.194120.7010@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >David Davidian says: Turkish officials came to Armenia last September and >Armenia given assurances the Armenian nuclear plant would stay shut. Turkey >promised Armenia electricity, and in the middle of December 1992, Turkey said >sorry we were only joking. Armenia froze this past winter -- 30,000 Armenians >lost their lives. Turkey claims it allowed ""humanitarian"" aid to enter Armenia >through its border with Turkey. What did Turkey do, it replaced the high >quality grain from Europe with ""crap"" from Turkey, mixed in dirt, and let that >garbage through to Armenia -- 30,000 Armenians lost their lives! This is the latest from UPI Foreign Ministry spokesman Ferhat Ataman told journalists Turkey was closing its air space to all flights to and from Armenia and would prevent humanitarian aid from reaching the republic overland across Turkish territory. Historically even the most uncivilized of peoples have exhibited signs of compassion by allowing humanitarian aid to reach civilian populations. Even the Nazis did this much. It seems as though from now on Turkey will publicly pronounce themselves 'hypocrites' should they choose to continue their condemnation of the Serbians. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neophytos Iacovou University of Minnesota email: iacovou@cs.umn.edu Computer Science Department ...!rutgers!umn-cs!iacovou " 4190,17,"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March Originator: hasan@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 189 In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> In article <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> |> |> In article <1993Apr3.182738.17587@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> |> |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> |> |> |> I get the impression Hasan realized he goofed and is now |> |> |> trying to drop the thread. Let him. It might save some |> |> |> miniscule portion of his sorry face. |> |> |> Not really. since i am a logical person who likes furthering himself |> |> from any ""name calling"", i started trashing any article that contains |> |> such abuses without responding to, and sometimes not even reading articles |> |> written by those who acquired such bad habits from bad company! |> [deleted stuff] |> well , ok. let's see what Master of Wisdom, Mr. Jonas Flygare, |> wrote that can be wisdomely responded to : |> |> Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your |> paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the |> um, well, debate again. I didnot know that ""Master of wisdom"" can be ""name clling"" too, unless you consider yourself deserve-less ! |> Master of Wisdom writes in <1993Mar31.101957@frej.teknikum.uu.se>: |> |> |> [hasan] |> |> |> [flax] |> |> |> |> [hasan] |> |> |> |> |> In case you didNOT know, Palestineans were there for 18 months. |> |> |> |> and they are coming back |> |> |> |> when you agree to give Palestineans their HUMAN-RIGHTS. |> |> |> |> |> Afterall, human rights areNOT negotiable. |> |> |> |> |> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the right to one's life _also_ |> |> |> |> a 'human right'?? Or does it only apply to palestinians? |> |> |> |> No. it is EVERYBODY's right. However, when a killer kills, then he is giving |> |> |> up -willingly or unwillingly - his life's right to the society. |> |> |> the society represented by the goverment would exercise its duty by |> |> |> depriving the killer off his life's right. |> |> |> So then it's all right for Israel to kill the people who kill Israelis? |> |> The old 'eye for an eye' thinking? Funny, I thought modern legal systems |> |> were made to counter exactly that. |> |> So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, |> ^^^ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------ |> If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at |> least spell them correctly. /sigh. That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey ) |> when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that |> the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, |> and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on |> the ground of occupied territories. |> |> No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance |> of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals right ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here. |> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the |> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have |> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing Palestinean human rights. |> What do you expect me to tell you, Master of Wisdom, when I did explain my |> point in the post, that you ""responded to"". The point is that since Israel |> is occupying then it is automatically depriving itself from some of its rights |> to the Occupied Palestineans, which is exactly similar the automatic |> deprivation of a killer from his right of life to the society. |> |> If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then |> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant. |> |> |> What kind of rights and how much would be deprived is another issue? |> |> |> The answer is to be found in a certain system such as International law, |> |> |> US law, Israeli law ,... |> |>[deleted, Jonas was throwing up-not for real so you can stick to the screen] |> |> |> It seems that the US law -represented by US State dept in this case- |> |> |> is looking to the other way around when violence occurs in occupied territories. |> |> |> Anyway, as for Hamas, then obviously they turned to the islamic system. |> |> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? |> |> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because |> any system can solve it. |> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). |> |> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that |> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your |> reply. So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). |> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) |> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: |> ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both |> peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal |> ^^^ ^^^ |> of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. |> The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of |> the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than |> to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to |> transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be |> left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to |> absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" |> DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 |> (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) |> |> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to |> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS |> charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd |> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to |> a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he |> wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have |> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will |> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff] Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment is full with men like Joseph Weitz. |> ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). |> |> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the |> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! |> |> I think that is fair enough . |> |> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve |> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would resolve it JUSTLY. |> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom. |> ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". |> -Rabbi Shoham. |> |> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are |> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said ""Yes, Zionism is racism"". If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. Hasan |> Jonas Flygare, " 4191,0,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks Lines: 67 In article <1993Apr20.062328.19776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: [...] > > Wait a minute. You said *never* play a Chamberlain. Since the US > *is* playing Chamberlain as far as East Timor is concerned, wouldn't > that lead you to think that your argument is irrelevant and had nothing > to do with the Gulf War? Actually, I rather like your idea. Perhaps > the rest of the world should have bombed (or maybe missiled) Washington > when the US invaded Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Mexico, Hawaii, > or any number of other places. Wait a minute, Doug. I know you are better informed than that. The US has never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know). We liberated Grenada from the Cubans to protect US citizens there and to prevent the completion of a strategic air strip. Panama we invaded, true (twice this century). Vietnam? We were invited in by the government of S. Vietnam. (I guess we ""invaded"" Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, eh?) Mexico? We have invaded Mexico 2 or 3 times, once this century, but there were no missiles for anyone to shoot over here at that time. Hawaii? We liberated it from Spain. So if you mean by the word ""invaded"" some sort of military action where we cross someone's border, you are right 5 out of 6. But normally ""invaded"" carries a connotation of attacking an autonomous nation. (If some nation ""invades"" the U.S. Virgin Islands, would they be invading the Virgin Islands or the U.S.?) So from this point of view, your score falls to 2 out of 6 (Mexico, Panama). [...] > > What's a ""peace-nik""? Is that somebody who *doesn't* masturbate > over ""Guns'n'Ammo"" or what? Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik? No, it's someone who believes in ""peace-at-all-costs"". In other words, a person who would have supported giving Hitler not only Austria and Czechoslakia, but Poland too if it could have averted the War. And one who would allow Hitler to wipe all *all* Jews, slavs, and political dissidents in areas he controlled as long as he left the rest of us alone. ""Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik,"" you ask? Well, it depends on what your values are. If you value life over liberty, peace over freedom, then I guess not. But if liberty and freedom mean more to you than life itself; if you'd rather die fighting for liberty than live under a tyrant's heel, then yes, it's ""bad"" to be a peace-nik. The problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are not like them to be ""bad"" and ""unconscionable"". I would not have any argument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and stayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with the national defense. But no, they are not willing to allow us to legitimately hold a different point-of-view. They militate and many times resort to violence all in the name of peace. (What rank hypocrisy!) All to stop we ""warmongers"" who are willing to stand up and defend our freedoms against tyrants, and who realize that to do so requires a strong national defense. Time to get off the soapbox now. :) [...] > -- > Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. Regards, Jim B. " 4192,14,"From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms ) Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 34 In article <1pfiuh$64e@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >If the japanese are really going for Nukes, why not go with better >technology then we have. AS opposed to BWR/PWRs have they really >considered some of the 3rd generation Inherently safe designs. The Japanese are still on the learning curve as far as nuclear power goes. This means that unlike the Germans (who do great things all by themselves) the Japanese tie up with foreign companies. The major one is Mitsubishi (who else) who have a sharing agreement with GE I think. No chance of a new design. >Sodium has lots of chemical problems but it really solves design >difficulties. Or the inherently safe types. Sodium has *lots* of chemical problems. Like it eats stainless steel. Very slowly but it gets there in the end. Not what I call a desired property. As for design difficulties, what does sodium do there? It is a bitch and it is only its chemical properties (flwed though they are) that means it gets used. Two loops? That's not a design problem? Isolation from air and water? That doesn't cause design problems? In comparison BWR's a dream rides! >PWR's work real good, but they need lots of steel, and they are highly >complex systems. Simplicity is a virtue. Don't get none of that in a Liquid Sodium Breeder! More steel, more complexity. Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. " 4193,2,"From: lcornell@stein.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell) Subject: Any video gurus feel like attacking this quirk...? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qsce9INNgd0 Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Hi there, I'm having a bizarre video problem within Windows 3.1. I have a 286 with a GVGA-16 video board. I've been using the standard Windows VGA driver with other similarly configured computers. I am thinking that my problem is with the way Windows refreshes it's screen. The problem is that once Windows has been envoked, the colors start changing themselves. At first I thought it was hardware, but if you open a full screen DOS program from within the Windows session, you don't have any problems until you get back to Windows - however, when you initially return to Windows, the original colors get refreshed properly. Also, it is not a uniform color change - so if you are in solitaire, the design on the back of the card maintains it's original color scheme, but the white fronts of the cards will turn grey, then blue, etc. The color changes keep getting darker until finally everything is a dark purple-ish black. If you pop out to DOS and exit back to Windows - the screen gets refreshed again. If I don't log into Windows and just do DOS things from the Novell network, everything is fine. I originally loaded the software by bouncing it down to the net from the other machine I had just finished configuring, then from the net to this machine. When I ran into problems, I deleted everything on this machine and the net, and tried bouncing it again. When that didn't work, I tried reloading Windows to no avail. Any thoughts on things to check out? I am totally baffled! Thanks in advance for any assistance and instruction! Linda Cornell lcornell@u.washington.edu UW Office of Research " 4194,12,"From: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. C.D. Smith) Subject: Voltage Multiplier Problem. Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: goyt.csc.liv.ac.uk Hi, I've just built a valve preamp and use a diode/capacitor voltage multiplier to step the 12vAC supply voltage up to approx 260vDV. As the load resistance increases, the RC constant decreases and hence the output voltage drops. I need as high an output voltage as possible. (about 260v). The circuit consists of seven voltage multiplier stages (ie 14 diodes and 14 capacitors) each capacitor develops about 38v across them, and I take the output from across seven capacitors=260v. Each capacitor is 100mfd at 68v. If I increase each of the capacitors rating (220-470mfd), that will increase the RC constant, and hence alleviate some of the problem. These capacitors are going to be a little expensive as I need 14 of them, So: 1. What would happen if I connected a 470mfd at 400v capacitor in parallel with the output (and hence in parallel with the seven 100mfd capacitors)? Will it, as I assume, increase the C in circuit and hence increase the RC time constant? If it does, and my output voltage becomes more stable by doing this, then I will have killed two birds with one stone... as I am experiencing some 50Hz ripple (and hence amp hum), and this new capacitor will 'smooth' this out. and 2. Can anyone recomend a suitable value for an inductor (choke) to be placed in the output line of the power supply to filter out the 50Hz mains hum. Lowest resistance possible ! I've not got my preamp with me at the moment because it is TOO MUCH of a distraction.... (I'm at university and I've got to get my dissertation finished in two weeks !!!!!!!) hence I'm mailing not playing with my solderoing iron (it'll be cheaper too in the long run... especially if 14 new large capacitors don't work as planned!) Email please.... Can't always read the net..... Thanks in advance.. Chris ;-) +====================================================================+ |Name : Mr Chris Smith | Twang on that 'ole guitar ! | |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv.csc | | |Uni : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware | |Dgree: Computer Science | | +====================================================================+ ""What ever the sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"" -- D.H. Lawrence. * All views expressed are my own, and reflect that of private thought. * " 4195,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 113 king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: >Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would >still be living in the area, but by the same token it would >never be ""rebuilt"". Obviously , if people are still there they >would live in houses, correct? Their ""nets"" implies a fishing >village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from >its original position of stature . Looking at [1] we find that during Roman times ""Tyre vied with Sidon for first place in the intellectual life of the period""; that Tyre was the seat of a Christian bishop, eventually with 14 dioceses under it; that ""the most magnificent church of its kind in all Phoenecia"" was the basilica built in Tyre ca. 314; that Tyre was well known for its exports of glassware, wine, white marble, and dyed cloth; that Tyre, along with other seaports, ""provided outlets for South Arabian, Indian and even Chinese trade""; that Tyre had to accomodate its growing population by ""following a perpendicular, rather than horizontal, line of growth"" (because it was running out of land to build on); that Tyre established colonies of its own. None of this sounds like a ""small fishing village"" by any stretch of the imagination. Centuries later, under the Abbasids, Tyre had ""opulent and flourishing bazaars"" and buildings of 5-6 stories. During this period, Tyre was ""noted for its export of sugar, beads, and, as of old, glassware."" During the Crusades, Tyre was the second-most flourishing city held by Franks. (There is a lot more, but I got tired of writing.) In [2] we read the following description of modern Lebanon: ""other *major cities* in Lebanon include Tripoli, Sidon, Tyre, Baalbek and Zahlah."" [my emphasis] This source also discusses the impact of the Lebanese Civil War, and the Israeli military actions (1978, 1982) on the trading ports of Tyre and Sidon. It notes that after Israel's withdrawel in 1984, ""Tyre appeared to enjoy a revival of its local economy."" If Tyre is such an insignificant little fishing village at present, why is it always called a city (or, above, a ""major city"")? Why does it show up on all the maps? When population figures for cities in Lebanon are given, why is Tyre always one of the cities on the list (even if the list is only a dozen cities long)? [1] Philip K. Hitti, _Lebanon in History: From the earliest times to the present_, NY, St. Martins, 1967. [2] Federal Research Division, Library of Congress, _Lebanon: a country study_, edited by Thomas Collelo, 1989. >>In the early 1980's Tyre had over 22,000 people. > >So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000. >Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards >we are talking about a one-horse town. A one-horse town? Sounds like a lot of work for one horse. (Anyway, Tyre is connected by roads to the mainland. They may even use cars these days. :-) The 1991 Encyclopedia Britannica says ""Pop. (1982 est.) 23,000."" Most other references give figures in the 14-17 thousand range. (One atlas gives the population of Tyre as 60,000; the same source give comparatively high figures for Sidon and Beirut, also, so I doubt that it is a typo. Perhaps these were figures for the cities and their surrounding areas.) I don't doubt that the population of Tyre has fluctuated over the last few decades. In particular, the 1982 Israeli military action hurt Tyre quite a bit. >> After Alex the G it fell once more in the 1200's, I believe. What >>other times did it fall that you were thinking of? > >To Egypt (250 bce); to the Seleucids (198 bce); Rome (63 bce); after >Rome it fell to various Arab contingents until 1124 ce when it was >captured in the Crusades; it was then recaptured again by the Muslims >in 1291 ce and subsequently pillaged; then the French, Turks, British, >and today, Lebanon. I thought you were talking about times that Tyre was destroyed. Don't most, if not all, of these apply not just to Tyre but to the other cities in the area? Sidon, for example? Can you make a case for Tyre having been singled out? >>Well, it recovered enough to have a thriving commerce in the dye >>""Tyrian purple"" in Roman times. > >This is correct, but they were under Roman domination, and the >majority of the created wealth was siphoned off. The prophesy >hold true. They had a good deal of autonomy under the Seleucids. From [2]: Tyre ""receiv[ed] the rights [of autonomy] from Antiochus Ephiphanes and from 125 BC onward enjoy[ed] complete autonomy. She started a large series of coins, occasionally in gold ..."" The descriptions of Tyre under the Romans don't seem to fit your characterization, either. And under the Abbasids it seems to have been allowed to flourish. I still think you are stretching when you try to describe Tyre as having been nothing but a small fishing village. >Who is Josh McDowell. A Christian apologist whose standards of scholarship are quite low. He happens to quote the same source you quote (Nina Jidejian, _Tyre through the Ages_, Beirut, Dar El-Mashreq Publishers, 1969). The same sentence, in fact. He defends the fulfillment of the prophecy using the same argument you are using, an argument that I haven't seen in print anywhere else, which is why I jumped to the conclusion that you were quoting Josh. (I tried to find the Jidejian book, but it isn't listed in Books in Print. Can you tell me more about it? Her descriptions are so much at odds with everything else I've read; I'm curious to know why.) dj " 4196,2,"From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: ?? DOS font size in windows?? Organization: NC State University Lines: 13 I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to MS Windows world. Thanks. (Please include this message for reference) ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== (919)515-8063 (W) " 4197,19,"From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: ZOROASTRIANISM - SAN JOSE - (Merc News Article) Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 169 ZOROASTRIANISM SAN JOSE, CA, USA Monday April 5, 1993 San Jose Mercury News, Page 1 [Reproduced without permission] _3,700-year tradition still glows - 'Assimilation in U.S. threatens ancient Zoroastrian religion'_ By Jeanne Huber, Mercury News Staff Writer HIGH ON A HILLSIDE above San Jose, flames leap up 24 hours a day from a gleaming brass urn in a temple - one of only four in the United States - dedicated to one of the world's most ancient religions. With the flames go the prayers of about 1,200 Bay Area Zoroastrians that their faith will survive this land. ""There is a fear - a real fear, too,"" said Silloo Tarapore of Lafayette. ""We have one generation to do it or to die."" Many immigrant groups struggle to maintain an identity in a strange land. But for Zoroastrians, it is an especially poignant concern. Their religion has been around for perhaps 3,700 years, a heritage so deep it scarcely seems comprehensible in a state where ""historical sites"" are sometimes less than 100 years old. It was the religion of the great Persian Empire under kings Cyrus and Darius. And tradition says that when Christ was born about 500 years later, he was honored by a visit from three Zoroastrian priests, the Magi. Scholars say many key beliefs of Christians, Jews and Muslims can be traced to the teachings of Zoroaster, the Zoroastrian prophet. Yet, with only about 150,000 Zoroastrians in the entire world, they are a miniscule minority in every country in which they live. Survival as a people is very much on their minds. Ironically, local Zoroastrians fear that the almost unlimited tolerance of the United States may do what hundreds of years of persecution followed by nearly 1,000 years of benign religious segregation could not do: cause their young people to stop thinking of themselves as Zoroastrians. Zoroastrians do not believe theirs is the only right religion, and they actually shun the notion of trying to win converts. So if their children become totally assimilated, they say, it's their children - rather than the world at large - who will be the losers. ""It's important to have an identity,"" said Maneck Bhujwaia of San Jose, a leader among Zoroastrians who came here from India. ""It's important for everybody - Irish, Scottish, Americans. It gives meaning to life. You don't have to depend on the majority community to give you respect. You can fall back on your own identity."" For Zoroastrians, there's much to be proud of. Their prophet, Zoroaster, seeking to make sense of a culture in which animal sacrifice to multiple gods was common, preached that there was only one god, a good one. Zoroastrians call their god Ahura Mazda, which translates as Lord of Wisdom and Light. _Good vs. evil_ Zoroaster saw life as a constant struggle between good and evil, with the good eventually winning. Men and women could join in the battle for good, he said, and he warned that they would inevitably suffer consequences such as shame and sorrow if they did wrong. He preached honesty, charity, kindness to animals, respect for the environment, hard work, equality of men and women - basic virtues preached by prophets of many religions. But Zoroaster was perhaps unusual in that he told his followers not to follow him blindly. He demanded they think for themselves. In fact, Joseph Campbell, the famous scholar of the history and meaning of myths, traced the Western emphasis on individual thought to the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrians have many words for thought. Their motto, leaded into a stained glass window over the sacred fire at the temple on the slopes of Mount Hamilton, is ""Good thoughts, good words, good deeds."" So it's not surprising that Zoroastrians value education highly. In India, where a contingent of Zoroastrians arrived in the ninth century to escape persecution by Muslims in Iran, Zoroastrians claim 100 percent literacy; the overall statistic in India is just 60 percent. About half of the Bay Area Zoroastrian community came here from India and Pakistan, mostly to study at universities. The other half fled from Iran after the 1979 revolution made that a fundamentalist Islamic state where others had no rights. Local Zoroastrians point with pride to ways their emphasis on ""good deeds"" has improved life in every country they inhabit. In San Jose, the recent restoration of the Hotel Sainte Clarie came about because Manou Mobedshahi, a San Francisco-based hotelier, passed the boarded-up downtown landmark on his way to and from the temple. At the temple's dedication, the chief guest of honor was the mother of Zubin Mehta, the Zoroastrian conductor of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra. The temple exists because of another good deed: the decision by an Iranian emigre, the late Arbab Rustom Guiv, to buy land for six temples in North America. Besides the 10-acre site off Crothers Road on Mount Hamilton, he paid for land in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Toronto, and Vancouver. Until his gifts, there were no Zoroastrian temples on this continent. Local Zoroastrians raised money to build the actual temple, and the property already had a large house that they have converted to a community center. The temple, dedicated a year ago on the birthday of the prophet Zoroaster, is a simple structure with gleaming white walls, vaulted ceilings and oak floors, partially covered with huge Oriental carpets. Its central feature is the fire, set in the middle of a partly-glassed- in area at the center of the building. Although Zoroastrians are sometimes called ""fire worshippers,"" they actually consider fire just a symbol of God. ""It helps us concentrate, just like Christians use the cross and Muslims use the Holy Book,"" Bhujwala said. The biggest celebration of the years occurs in early spring. For all Iranians, including Zoroastrians, the New Year begins on the first day of the season because of its symbolism as the start of new life. With Zoroaster's birthday just six days later, the combination of religious and secular holidays creates something on par with what most of the United States celebrates between Christmas and Jan. 1. For this year's celebration of the prophet's birthday, about 500 people came to worship and revel. ""The good things in life are not forbidden,"" Esfandiar Anoushiravani, a leader of the Iranian members, had said beforehand, and what followed proved him right. Inside the temple, worshipers filled every chair and sat or stood around the edges of the room as about a half-dozen priests chanted thanksgiving prayers around a table laden with braziers of smoking sandalwood, glasses of milk and water, and a tray heaped with dried fruit and nuts. Kids crowded around, grabbing handfuls of the treats. ""People eat the fruit,"" Tarapore said. ""It's a way to participate in the ceremony."" _Santa Claus, sort of_ The gathering even had a Santa Claus, Iranian style. With flowing white hair and a bag of gifts for the children, this Amownaroz wore green symbolic of spring) and red. He was ushed in by a sort of spring clown, Hajefyrouz, who danced and played a tambourine. The Zoroastrians from India were charmed. ""This is all new for us, too,"" one told a visitor who asked what was going on. A visitor, John A. Sabanovich of Folsom, said he became intrigued with the religion years ago while on business trips to Iran. Zoroastrians have no procedure for accepting converts - a result, some say, of their centuries of persecution in Iran followed by their promise to the Hindu king who allowed them into India that they would not interfere with his people's religion. But that does not stop Sabavich from joining in the celebrations at the San Jose temple whenever he can. ""When I first heard about this religion,"" he said, ""I thought, my God, this is what a religion should be. They think for themselves and do good. ""People who don't have a tradition, something to lean on, what's the difference with the lower animals?"" ------------------------------------------------ end of article ---- " 4198,12,"From: payne@crl.dec.com (Andrew Payne) Subject: WANTED: TCM3105 chips, small quantities Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab Lines: 16 Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc. For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so). I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits. Any suggestions? -- Andrew C. Payne DEC Cambridge Research Lab " 4199,4,From: horton@what.sps.mot.com (David Horton) Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC! Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.10.249.26 Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas Lines: 7 In article horton@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Horton) writes: > >Tests suck! Post a real message! >:^) Presumably Erme Maula is testing the size limits of his email account. That's erme@pobox.upenn.edu for those who missed it. 4200,10,"From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu Subject: Bruins - Klingon Connection? Organization: Clark University Lines: 7 I was wondering if any Star Trek TNG fans in this newsgroup knew of a possible relationship between the Bruins' players Douris & Moog and the Klingon names Duras and Worf (Son of Moog). I suppose it's a coincidence. Just curious, Bart " 4201,0,"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia Lines: 70 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Or he was just convinced by religious fantasies of the time that he was the Messiah, or he was just some rebel leader that an organisation of Jews built into Godhood for the purpose off throwing of the yoke of Roman oppression, or....... > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Are the Moslem fanatics who strap bombs to their backs and driving into Jewish embassies dying for the truth (hint: they think they are)? Were the NAZI soldiers in WWII dying for the truth? People die for lies all the time. >Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People Was Hitler a liar? How about Napoleon, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan? We spend millions of dollars a year trying to find techniques to detect lying? So the answer is no, they wouldn't be able to tell if he was a liar if he only lied about some things. >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. Why do you think he healed people, because the Bible says so? But if God doesn't exist (the other possibility) then the Bible is not divinely inspired and one can't use it as a piece of evidence, as it was written by unbiased observers. > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example Were Hitler or Mussolini lunatics? How about Genghis Khan, Jim Jones... there are thousands of examples through history of people being drawn to lunatics. >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. So we obviously cannot rule out liar or lunatic not to mention all the other possibilities not given in this triad. > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal Possibly self-fulfilling prophecy (ie he was aware what he should do in order to fulfil these prophecies), possibly selective diting on behalf of those keepers of the holy bible for a thousand years or so before the general; public had access. possibly also that the text is written in such riddles (like Nostradamus) that anything that happens can be twisted to fit the words of raving fictional 'prophecy'. >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. [stuff about how hard it is to be a christian deleted] I severely recommend you reconsider the reasons you are a christian, they are very unconvincing to an unbiased observer. Jeff. " 4202,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Millitello update Distribution: usa <1993Apr14.175343.3431@alleg.edu> Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr14.175343.3431@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam Millitello) says: > >Uhhhh I think I spelled my name correctly. Sam Millitello. > uhhhh there are only three l's. bob vesterman. " 4203,8,"From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen) Subject: BRAKE ROTORS..CROSS DRILLING...1-312-702-8323 Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics Distribution: na Lines: 1 " 4204,2,"From: wongda@eecg.toronto.edu (Daniel Y.H. Wong) Subject: Actix video card drivers for windows Keywords: actix graphics accelerator Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto, Canada Lines: 20 I am looking for the latest drivers for the Actix graphics accelerator card. The driver I am currently using is version 1.21 and doesn't support more than 256 colors in 1024x768 mode even you have 2MB memory. The BBS support for Actix is unbelievable! They are still using 2400bps modem! It will take you hours to download the drivers, it hurts when you are calling long distance. Is there any ftp site that has a collection of video drivers for windows? BTW, anyone using this card, and how do you like it so far? Thanks. -- Daniel Y.H. Wong UofT:(416)978-1659 wongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu Electrical Engineering -- " 4205,5,"From: devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene) Subject: COSE GUI - Just what is it they agreed on? Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: loki The COSE announcement specifies that Motif will become the common GUI. But what does this mean exactly? - Do they mean that all ""COSE-complient"" apps will have the Motif look and feel? - Do they mean that all ""COSE-complient"" apps will use the Motif toolkit API? - Do they mean both of the above? - Is it possible that there will be a Motif-API complient toolkit with an OpenLook Look & Feel? - How about an OLIT/XView/OI/Interviews API toolkit with a Motif L & F? (I know OI already does this, but will this be considered COSE-complient?) - Will there be more than one ""standard"" toolkit API or L & F supported? - How does using ToolTalk fit in with Motif? This is my attempt to start a discussion in order to pull as much knowledge about these questions off the net... Feel free to e-mail or followup. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Gil Tene ""Some days it just doesn't pay - -- devil@imp.HellNet.org to go to sleep in the morning."" - -- devil@diablery.10A.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4206,12,"From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. (the truth) Keywords: outlet Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept. Lines: 6 I suggest that misc.consumer.house is a better forum for this, several electricians, a huge FAQ that adresses ALL the issues raised here. -- ...Wex " 4207,17,"From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) Subject: Re: Dir Yassin (was Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel) Nntp-Posting-Host: virginia Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 123 In article hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.141518.13900@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: > > CHECK MENAHEM BEGIN DAIRIES (published book) you'll find accounts of the > massacres there including Deir Yassen, > though with the numbers of massacred men, children and women are > greatly minimized. There is no known writing directly attributable to Menachem Begin which admits a massacre at Deir Yassin. Thus, Hasan is wrong. >As per request of Hasan: > >From _The Revolt_, by Menachem Begin, Dell Publishing, NY, 1977: > >[pp. 225-227] > > ""Apart from the military aspect, there is a moral aspect to the >story of Dir Yassin. At that village, whose name was publicized >throughout the world, both sides suffered heavy casualties. We had >four killed and nearly forty wounded. The number of casualties was >nearly forty percent of the total number of the attackers. The Arab >troops suffered casualties neraly three times as heavy. The fighting The word ""troops"" is unjustified. There has never been any evidence that there were any regular or irregular Arab forces in the village apart from the villagers defending themselves. According to the Haganah observer Pa'il, the Irgun/Lehi forces suffered a lot of casualties because they were incompetent soldiers. When they ran into trouble securing the central part of the village, a small group of Palmach soldiers came and took it without a single casualty. Begin's failure to even mention the Palmach is only one of the major inaccuracies (to use a kind word) in his account. Incidentally, ""three times as heavy"" may be correct, as there is serious evidence that the Arab loss was closer to 120 lives than to the oft-quoted 250 lives. However, note that Begin compares wounded Jews to dead Arabs. He fails to mention the number of wounded Arabs. Guess why. >was thus very severe. Yet the hostile propaganda, disseminated >throughout the world, deliberately ignored the fact that the civilian >population of Dir Yassin was actually given a warning by us before the >battle began. One of our tenders carrying a loud speaker was stationed >at the entrance to the village and it exhorted in Arabic all women, >children and aged to leave their houses and to take shelter on the >slopes of the hill. By giving this humane warning our fighters threw >away the element of complete surprise, and thus increased their own >risk in the ensuing battle. As is thoroughly established by many sources, the loudspeaker truck got stuck in a ditch too far from the village for it to provide a usueful warning. >A substantial number of the inhabitants >obeyed the warning and they were unhurt. A few did not leave their >stone houses - perhaps because of the confusion. The fire of the enemy >was murderous - to which the number of our casualties bears eloquent >testimony. Our men were compelled to fight for every house; to >overcome the enemy they used large numbers of hand grenades. And the >civilians who had disregarded our warnings suffered inevitable >casualties. > > ""The education which we gave our soldiers throughout the years of >revolt was based on the observance of the traditional laws of war. We >never broke them unless the enemy first did so and thus forced us, in >accordance with the accepted custom of war, to apply reprisals. I am >convinced, too, that our officers and men wished to avoid a single >unnecessary casualty in the Dir Yassin battle. But those who throw >stones of denunciation at the conquerors of Dir Yassin [1] would do >well not to don the cloak of hypocrisy [2]. > > ""In connection with the capture of Dir Yassin the Jewish Agency >found it necessary to send a letter of apology to Abdullah, whom Mr. >Ben Gurion, at a moment of great political emotion, called 'the wise >ruler who seeks the good of his people and this country.' The 'wise >ruler,' whose mercenary forces demolished Gush Etzion and flung the >bodies of its heroic defenders to birds of prey, replied with feudal >superciliousness. He rejected the apology and replied that the Jews >were all to blame and that he did not believe in the existence of >'dissidents.' Throughout the Arab world and the world at large a wave >of lying propaganda was let loose about 'Jewish attrocities.' > > ""The enemy propaganda was designed to besmirch our name. In the >result it helped us. Panic overwhelmed the Arabs of Eretz Israel. >Kolonia village, which had previously repulsed every attack of the >Haganah, was evacuated overnight and fell without further fighting. >Beit-Iksa was also evacuated. These two places overlooked the main >road; and their fall, together with the capture of Kastel by the >Haganah, made it possible to keep open the road to Jerusalem. In the >rest of the country, too, the Arabs began to flee in terror, even >before they clashed with Jewish forces. Not what happened at Dir >Yassin, but what was invented about Dir Yassin, helped to carve the >way to our decisive victories on the battlefield. The legend of Dir >Yassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberias and the >conquest of Haifa."" It is worth noting how Begin disputes the standard myth that the Palestinian Arabs fled as part of a calculated plan. >[1] (A footnote from _The Revolt_, pp.226-7.) ""To counteract the loss >of Dir yassin, a village of strategic importance, Arab headquarters at >Ramallah broadcast a crude atrocity story, alleging a massacre by >Irgun troops of women and children in the village. Certain Jewish >officials, fearing the Irgun men as political rivals, seized upon this >Arab gruel propaganda to smear the Irgun. An eminent Rabbi was induced >to reprimand the Irgun before he had time to sift the truth. Out of >evil, however, good came. This Arab propaganda spread a legend of >terror amongst Arabs and Arab troops, who were seized with panic at >the mention of Irgun soldiers. The legend was worth half a dozen >battalions to the forces of Israel. The `Dir Yassin Massacre' lie >is still propagated by Jew-haters all over the world."" Apparently 90% of Israeli historians are Jew-haters. >[2] In reference to denunciation of Dir Yassin by fellow Jews. I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that totally destroys Begin's whitewash. I have no particular desire to post it yet again. Brendan. (normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) " 4208,6,"From: LLARSEN@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: Porsche 928 (Bay Area) Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 20 Posting this for a friend Sunnyvale, California 1982 Porsche 928 GTS Package leather interior european handling package sunroof cruise control 88,000k miles new paint Immaculate in every way ********** DELIVERY POSSIBLE TO DESTINATION WITH DEPOSIT ******** $10,000 firm Low book is 11,500 High book is 16,000 Phone (408) 296-4444 Frank Rosqui As new this vehicle was $74,000 This posting does not reflect the opinions of my employer " 4209,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Availability With Russian Press 4.4.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 220 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Vancouver, British Columbia) _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 4, 1993 PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT WITH RUSSIAN PRESS Canada Place Vancouver, British Columbia 2:46 P.M. PDT Q I had two questions for both Presidents, so you could probably answer for Boris, too. (Laughter.) THE PRESIDENT: I'll give you my answer, then I'll give you Yeltsin's answer. (Laughter.) Q The first is that this is the meeting of the Presidents, so the money that's being promised is government money, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the government. But you've indicated that three-quarters are going to be going to businesses. So the question is how the Russian businesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever? What are the priorities, because there are several association of Russian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to participate in setting up priorities for investment? This is the first. And second, to you. We know that polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans are very enthusiastic about giving this aid. Like Newsweek polls say that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times published that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war; 42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent if it just personally supports Yeltsin. How are you going to sort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not very enthusiastic? Thank you. Q I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going to be a translation of everything into Russian? No, just the answers. Just the answers. Okay. THE PRESIDENT: The answer to the first question is, it depends on what kind of aid we're discussing. For example, the funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will obviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be good risks and make the application. The privatization fund will be used to support the privatization of existing public enterprises. Then there are some other general funds in the Democracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have some influence over the distribution of. With regard to your second question, let me say that I would think that there would be people in both countries who would not feel too warmly toward simply the American government giving money to the Russian government. There's opposition to that in Russia. And in our country, throughout our whole history there has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds. That is, this has nothing to do with Russia. If you look at the whole history of America, any kind of aid program has always been unpopular. What I have tried to tell the American people is, is this is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that this is an investment in our future. We spent $4 trillion -- trillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments because of the Cold War. Now, with a democratic government in Russia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them working on a democracy and struggling to get their economies going, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it possible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the economy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and investment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce nuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on our side and on the Russian side. So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an investment for the United States. This is very much in the interest of the United States. The things I announced today, the second stage of the program, which I hope to put together next week, in my view are things that are good for my country and for the taxpayers and workers of my country. Russia is a very great nation that needs some partnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share her goals. But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view this as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue. That's not what it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful investment. Like all investments, there is some risk. But there's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than the $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier of the Cold War. Q Mr. President, first of all thank you very much, indeed, for coming here and talking to us. In the memory of the living correspondents, this is the first time an American President is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind of a very measured breakthrough. I have two questions. One, in your introductory remarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief that you discussed the START II and START I issues. Could you tell us: Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to what might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification of START I and the NPT regime? And my second question is, how confident you are that the United States Congress would be eager to support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions inherited from the Cold War? PRESIDENT CLINTON: First, we discussed the issue of Ukraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with regard to the need to proceed to have the other independent states all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States develop strong relationships with them. We know that one thing that we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of the Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude our own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that would provide not only an important economic opportunity for Russia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out on our part. But we agreed that basically the people who signed off on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and we agreed to continue to press that. I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to reassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the Foreign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the United States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine, but that, in order to do what we need to do together to strengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States be fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join the NPT regime is critical. What was the second question? THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Jackson-Vanik and COCOM, I would make two points: First, I have agreed with the Republican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will, as soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other restrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on relations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies of the Cold War. And we will see whether they're -- how many of them we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the leadership of the Congress. With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be an openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there are, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to emigrate who are not being allowed to. If the fact is that there is no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed to affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be much less. With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing more than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my own advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement out of the COCOM regime. But I think they would be willing to begin it in the fairly near future. Q Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in Annapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely different personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not political approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of Mr. Bush. Could you formulate in a few words, what is the difference between you as a personality and your approach -- the difference between your approach to Russia and the approach of Mr. Bush? And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the last part of your speech? THE PRESIDENT: Let me say, first, I do not wish to compare myself with President Bush or anyone else. I can't say what was in his heart about Russia. I can say that since I was a boy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the music and the culture, and the literature of Russia. I have been thrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music for more than 30 years now. I have read major Russian novelists and many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know as much as I could about your history. And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then the Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last presidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone in Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr. Yeltsin was elected President. But all that time I was away, I was following events there very closely and hoping for the day when we could be genuine partners. So I have always had a personal feeling about Russia. I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like music very much. One of the most moving experiences for me as a musician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York Philharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony to the Russians. And he played the last movement more rapidly than anyone had ever played it before because it was technically so difficult. That is something I followed very closely when it occurred. These are things that have always had a big impact on my life. And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever had the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two countries become closer partners. (Applause.) THE PRESS: Thank you. END3:06 P.M. PDT " 4210,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 24 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental >: >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK >: >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population >: >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted >: >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the >: >: > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as >: >: > many people with baseball bats. >: If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely >: followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to >: death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for >: yourself. >It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain. And I'm sure that is a great comfort to the widows and children of those stabbed, beaten and burned to death. The real question is, ""Did the crime rate in England go down, after they enacted gun control laws?"" If you look at the rates before and after their first such law in 1920, you will see no effect. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 4211,10,"From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 40 : FINLAND: : : D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 : D-Teppo Numminen....20 : D-Peter Ahola.......13 : Well well, they don't like our defenders (mainly Lumme and Numminen)... : C-Jari Kurri........25 : C-Christian Ruuttu..16 : Now, do YOU think that Ruuttu is only worth 16 ? I think it might be 20. : R-Teemu Selanne.....27 : Compared to Kurri, Selanne's points are too high, lets make it 25 or 26. : well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of : Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's : presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at : the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be : that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. Wow, now, it looks like you don't like our players? What about guys like: Nieminen, Jutila, Riihijarvi, Varvio, Laukkanen, Makela, Keskinen and (even if he is aging) Ruotsalainen? The main difference between finnish and North- American players is, that our players tend to be better in the larger rink. The Canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in Europe. And I think that there was more in our success than Ketterer and luck (though they helped). I think that the main reason was, that the team worked well together. -- *********************************************************************** * 'Howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl* * howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh' * * -Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz * *********************************************************************** -Marko Poutiainen mep@phoenix.oulu.fi " 4212,17,"From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.160224.15940@unocal.com> stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: ... >Now, about tough talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen >to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? ... I guess, I didn't make my point clear. In the case of Israel government, it is not only tough talk for its intimidation policy. After all, not many people are intimidated just by talking. Here how it goes: tough talks, followed by aggressive actions followed by taking pride of those actions and bragging about them. " 4213,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Distribution: usa Lines: 81 Summary of thread: A person has Crohns, raw vegetables cause problems (unspecified) Steve Holland replies: patient may have mild obstruction. Avoid things that would plug her up. Crohn's has no dietary restriction in general. In article <1993Apr22.210631.13300@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden) wrote: > > Interesting statements, simply because I have been told otherwise. I'm > certainly not questioning Steve's claims, as for one I am not a doctor, and I > agree that foods don't bring on the recurrence of Crohn's. But inflammation > can be either mildly or DRASTICALLY enhanced due to food. The feeling obout this has changed in the GI community. The current feeling is that inflammation is not induced by food. There is even evidence that patients deprived of food have mucosal atrophy due to lack of stimulation of intestinal growth factors. There is now interest in providing small amounts of nasogastric feeding to patients on IV nutrition. But I digress. Symptoms can be drastically enhanced by food, but not inflammation. > Having had one major obstruction resulting in resection (is that a good enough > caveat :-), I was told that a *LOW RESIDUE* diet is called for. Basically, > the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut (which may not be > realized by the patient), any residue in the system can be caught in the folds > of inflammation and constantly irritate, thus exacerbating the problem. > Therefore, anything that doesn't digest completely by the point of common > inflammation should be avoided. With what I've been told is typical Crohn's, > of the terminal ileum, my diet should be low residue, consisting of: > > Completely out - never again - items: > o corn (kernel husk doesn't digest ... most of us know this :-) > o popcorn (same) > o dried (dehydrated) fruit and fruit skins > o nuts (Very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge :-) The low residue diet is appropriate for you if you still have obstructions. Again, it is not felt that food causes inflammation. These foods are avoided because they may get stuck. I'd go ahead and have the fudge, though ;-) . > Discouraged greatly: > o raw vegetables (too fibrous) > o wheat and raw grain breads > o exotic lettuce (iceberg is ok since it's apparently mostly water) > o greens (turnip, mustard, kale, etc...) > o little seeds, like sesame (try getting an Arby's without it!) > o long grain and wild rice (husky) > o beans (you'll generate enough gas alone without them!) > o BASICALLY anything that requires heavy digestive processing > > I was told that the more processed the food the better! (rather ironic in this > day and age). The whole point is PREVENTATIVE ... you want to give your > system as little chance to inflame as possible. I was told that among the > NUMEROUS things that were heavily discouraged (I only listed a few), to try > the ones I wanted and see how I felt. If it's bad, don't do it again! > Remember though that this was while I was in remission. For Veggies: cook the > daylights out of them. I prefer steaming ... I think it's cooks more > thoroughly - you're mileage may vary. > > As with anything else, CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR. Don't just take my word. But > this is the info I've been given, and it may be a starting point for > discussion. Good luck! > Spencer makes an especially good point in having an observant and informed patient. Would that many patients be able to tell what causes them problems. The digestive processing idea is changing, but if a food causes problems, avoid them. Be sure that the foods are tested a second time to be sure the food is a real cause. Crohn's commonly causes intermittent symptoms and some patients end up with severly restricted diets that take months to renormalize. There was a good article in the CCFA newsletter recently that discussed the issue of dietary restriction of fiber. It would be worth reading to anyone with an interest in Crohn's. And, as I always say when dealing with Crohn's, as does Spencer, Good Luck! Steve Holland " 4214,2,"From: wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) Subject: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] After setting up Windows for using my Cirrus Logic 5426 VLB GraphicsCard It moved a normal Window from one place to another. My Parameters where just the following : 486 DX 33 VLB The Card is equipped with 1 MB Dram (not Vram, there are 8 sockets for Vram) And the moving of the window just looked like it looked at a friends 386DX 25 (387DX) and an normal ISA ET4000 What I was wondering why is it not using the BITBLT Engine which is suuposed to be on the Chip. How are the experiences here.. Have I done something wrong ? (I installed the MSWIN 3.1 MultiResolution drivers which where supplied with the Card ?!) Would be nice if somebody could tell about his experience with this card Also if there are new(hopefully faster) drrivers around I would love to how to get hold of them :-) (ftp or whatsoever :-) ) Gruss Wolfgang " 4215,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 53 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says: >In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes: >>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>>>In article chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: >>>> >> >>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is >>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a >>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to >>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg >>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an >>SHO anyway. >> >>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic >>transmissions from all ""performance-type"" cars (like the 5.0l >>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of >>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans, >>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO. >> >> James >> >I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto >w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned >for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live >in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic >here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be >more fun. > >Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be >shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here. >Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0 >Camaro w/ a five speed. > >All of this IMHO... :) all of my HO's disagree with your HO's. I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick.. detested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...). Of course, Dalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might be of a different persuasion. And, just for the record, rarely do you shift gears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is good up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out.. it's not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway.. only shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare, unless you drive a ferrari or some such, i'd bet) or when you hit cruising speed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the passanger seat complaining about how you wind her ""poor little engine"" way too hi :-) Just my HO's.. DREW " 4216,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: anger Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34 In article news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: >>Paul Conditt writes: [insert deletion of Paul's and Aaron's discourse on anger, ref Galatians 5:19-20] > >I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the >flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves >moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is >not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that >we hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God >accepts us. Oh, but they definitely can be. Please look at Colossians 3:5-10 and Ephesians 4:25-27. Emotions can be controlled and God puts very strong emphasis on self-control, otherwise, why would he have Paul write to Timothy so much about making sure to teach self-control? [insert deletion of remainder of paragraph] > >Re-think it, Aaron. Don't be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with >AIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made >appropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to >his anger. Please, re-think and re-read for yourself, Joe. Again, the issue is self-control especially over feelings and actions, for our actions stem from our feelings in many instances. As for God giving in to his anger, that comes very soon. > >Joe Moore Joe Fisher " 4217,3,"From: gelldav@elof.iit.edu (David A. Geller) Subject: Parity Error - System Halted /anyone have any ideas? Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Lines: 28 I recently bought an AMD 386/40. The motherboard booklet says the board is a ""391 WB/H."" I have 4 1x3 simms on board. The machine also uses a Super IDE I/O Card (model PT-604). (of course niether the motherboard or the I/O card booklet clearly state who the manufacurers are) I'm also using a Trident 8900C SVGA card. Anyway, that's all of the pertinent info I can think of. My problem is that the computer often freezes or displays ""Parity Error -- System Halted"" messages depending on whether I set the Memory Parity Error Checking to ""disabled"" or ""enabled"" in the setup of the bios (makes sense). Its AMI bios (so it must be an AMI board?). I just took it back to the dealer and they replaced all of the SIMMS but I keep getting the same error (more frequently now). It all worked at the dealer and didn't start screwing up 'till I got home (figures). I've tried to take out all of the SIMMS and even re-inserted them in reverse order, making sure that the connections were solid. My suspicion jumps to this damn all in one HD controller/serial/ parallel/game-port I/O card, or to the motherboard (God forbid). CAN ANYONE HELP? Thanks, Peace, David Geller gelldav@elof.acc.iit.edu " 4218,15,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 74 >[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks to people, where a person just ""came to know"" some piece of information, where a person walks off into the desert for ""40 days"", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible ""ends"" with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No. So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer happening or still happening ? I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-) With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-) The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle specifically granted to show God's existence. That was the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several countries. That event is ""approved"" by the Pope. Currently, images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-). Other events under investigation are inner locutions (""coming to know""), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why). Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure. This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion. If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned. These are not ""members only"" events. God and Mary invites everybody. So in conclusion (finally) ... We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary. We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to. There are more proofs and events. And that is why ""not everything is in the Bible"". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told to read the Bible. As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned... In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how. I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry about the ""versus"" part. Just do God's work. That's all that matters. Unity will come. BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson. But I am RC. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 4219,16,"From: dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: VTT Lines: 58 In article <1r1eu1$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >> In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >> >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the >> >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great. >> >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of >> >> the government only. Individual access would result in the >> >> needless deaths of millions. This makes the right of the people >> >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant. >> >Thanks for stating where you're coming from. Needless to say, I >> >disagree on every count. >> You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of >> mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a >> neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve >> gas on his/her property. >> If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of >> the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us? >I don't sign any blank checks. Of course. The term must be rigidly defined in any bill. >When Doug Foxvog says ""weapons of mass destruction,"" he means CBW and >nukes. When Sarah Brady says ""weapons of mass destruction"" she means >Street Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles. I doubt she uses this term for that. You are using a quote allegedly from her, can you back it up? >When John >Lawrence Rutledge says ""weapons of mass destruction,"" and then immediately >follows it with: >>> The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns, >>> this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions >>> on them. >...what does Rutledge mean by the term? I read the article as presenting first an argument about weapons of mass destruction (as commonly understood) and then switching to other topics. The first point evidently was to show that not all weapons should be allowed, and then the later analysis was, given this understanding, to consider another class. >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... -- doug foxvog douglas.foxvog@vtt.fi " 4220,11,"From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) Subject: How large are commercial keys? Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Lines: 13 What are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms? I know DES is 56 bits (""tripple DES"" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is there anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere that has larger keys? I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily large keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere? Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys space.) Thanks, Dane " 4221,7,From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Purdue University Can we please stick to AUTOMOTIVE topics . Thank you. Lines: 1 4222,9,"From: bone@wilbur.Stanford.EDU (Doug Bone) Subject: Players Rushed to Majors Article-I.D.: wilbur.24 Lines: 34 snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >Can anybody name a player who was 'rushed' to the majors (let's, for >argument's sake, define ""rushed"" as brought up to the majors for more than >a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below >expectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing? I tend to agree that players are not hurt by early play in the big leagues. The BRaves organization is a fertile ground to test this hypothesis, as they had little talent on their roster for some time. Steve Avery, for example, was rushed to the majors, and he fared very poorly during his initial campaign. His subsequent pitching has not been affected by his 5+ ERA during his rookie year. Bill James pointed out that it was relatively unusual to struggle so and then rebound. Bob Horner was also rushed to the majors (out of Arizona State directly) had good numbers immediately. I am not certain of the ages of people like Pete Smith, Craig McMurty, and Derek Lilliquist. The Braves pitching staffs were so bad when they came up that they might have been rushed. Lilliquist and Smith struggled, but it didn't hurt PS and DL may have been overhyped. I seem to recall CM pitching well initially, though I don't have stats handy. Douglas Bone Internet: bone@luciano.stanford.edu Standard disclaimers BITNET: bone%luciano.stanford.edu@stanford apply. UUCP: ..ucbvax!luciano!sierra.stanford.edu!bone " 4223,13,"From: brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Organization: Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Lines: 50 In article <19613@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > In article <1993Apr7.221357.12533@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes: > >> see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the > >> those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. > >> There is a lot of money involved. > > > > You keep bringing this up. But I don't understand what's in it > >financially for the physician to go ahead and treat. Unless the physician > >has an investment in (or is involved in some kickback scheme with) the > >home infusion company, where is the financial gain for the doctor? > > Well, let me put it this way, based on my own experience. A > general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases, > by establishing links to the ""Lyme community"", treating patients > who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they > have lyme as if they did, saying that diseases such as MS > are probably spirochetal, if not Lyme, giving talks at meetings > of users groups, validating the feelings of even delusional > patients, etc. This GP can go from being a run-of-the-mill > $100K/yr GP to someone with lots of patients in the hospital > and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his > office, and making lots of bread. Also getting the adulation > of many who believe his is their only hope (if not of cure, > then of control) and seeing his name in publications put out > by support groups, etc. This is a definite temptation. Harumph. Getting published in these newsletters is hardly something to aspire to. :-) I can't really argue with your logic, though I think you may be extrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of one. Even if what you say about this local Pittsburgh guy is true, it is not logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who treat Lyme disease. By your logic, I could conclude that all of the physicians who consult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to Lyme patients are doing it for the money, rather than because they believe they are encouraging good medicine. I have no idea how sincere these guys are, but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for what you believe to be indiscriminate treatment. I would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues in Lyme, rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties involved. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and > geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Brenner " 4224,9,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Why Spanky? Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 18 In article <1ql93bINN1s5@postoffice1.psc.edu> boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) writes: > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and >Prince is coming along nicely! Tom Prince is a 28 year old no-hit catcher. Think of him as a young Dann Bilardello. I can't begin to fathom why the Pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy, who's been in AAA most of the last 5 seasons. The Pirates released Kirk Gibson last year because Prince was out of options, then eventually sent Prince down anyway, and he cleared waivers without a peep. He's another year older, and still can't hit; why do they think he wouldn't clear waivers now? Why would they care? Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 4225,6,"From: coutsoft@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Coutsoftides) Subject: Sampler for Sale Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA. USA Lines: 17 Ok people, I really need to sell this sampler to pay off bills, so I'm even going to include 3 sample cds worth at least 200 separately in this deal..... It's an Emax II with standard memory and 16 bit stereo sampling It's rackmount and has at least 24 voice pol., It's got a brand new Connor (sp.?) 170 meg internal scsi drive (4 wk old, never used) it works perfect and runs perfect. In addition access to a friends sound library of over 1gig of sounds is available... All this for only $1600.. The sample cd's are based on dance/house/techno stuff. Email or call 213-341-4425 thanks Mike " 4226,6,"From: jyow@desire.wright.edu Subject: CAMERA: Olympus Stylus, super small Organization: Wright State University Lines: 9 Olympus Stylus, 35mm, pocket sized, red-eye reduction, timer, fully automatic. Time & date stamp, carrying case. Smallest camera in its class. Rated #2 in Consumer Reports. Excellent condition and only 4 months old. Worth $169.95. Purchased for $130. Selling for $100. -- ************************************************************************ Jason Yow Human Factors Psychology Program Wright State University, Dayton, OH E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu ************************************************************************ " 4227,10,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: SHARKS: Kingston Fired!!! Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr20.085337.27224@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes: >I think that Jack Ferreira's firing eventually led to Kingston's >firing. You mention consistency of vision. I think the >Sharks lost that with the loss of Ferreira. There has never >been a 3 headed G.M. that has ever worked. You need one >person making the personnel decisions at the top, not >management by committee. The conventional wisdom >from around the league is that Ferreira would have >made the moves that would have fielded a better product >on the ice. How exactly would Ferreira accomplished this? The three-headed GM-ship has taken a lot of heat, but nobody's explained how things would have been any different had Ferreira still been there. Would Ferreira have made more trades? Who would have he had traded? Would he have made fewer trades? Who should not have been traded? Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 4228,9,"From: mmontgom@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Matthew R. Montgomery) Subject: Re: With a surge in the last two weeks... Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 : Watch us soar in 1993! Shouldn't that be 'Watch us stoned in 1993!'? :) or maybe 'Watch us suck in 1993!' or even 'Watch us sore in 1993!' ________________________________________________________________________ Matt Montgomery 'No, really I *like* the Phillies' ________________________________________________________________________ " 4229,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Lines: 9 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? Anyone want to go? pat " 4230,6,"From: abou@dam.cee.clarkson.edu (Abou Bakr,Damon 317,268-6611,265-8419) Subject: Re: Forsale and Wanted (HD/Fax/Typewriter) Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.013847.16309 Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: dam.cee.clarkson.edu From article <1pf5qe$b3b@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, by jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware): > > I'm looking to *buy* the following items: > > Fax machine: a plain one, don't need any extras, just the basic model. Good > working order only. These sell in stores for dirt cheap, so don't > make me any offers like ""it cost me $599 but I'll sell it for $400"" > > PC-AT Hard Drive: MFM type, 40 Mbytes, half-height only. I have a Seagate > ST-151 (3.5"") on my machine, looking for same or similar type > > > I have the following item for *sale*: > > Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm > selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface for this > typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no > cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's > great if you need to send letter with ""typewriter look"". In > stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several ""effects"" like > underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/ > line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the > interface > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jorge Lach Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation > Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > " 4231,3,"From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) Subject: Re: PENTIUM! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) says: > >Just a qestion for all you pc-er's out there. Will the upcoming pentium >systems be compatible with current simms and vlb cards? Any info would be >helpful. I would just like to know before I plunk my $ on new hardware. > >Thanks >BoB > Well, it all depends on the motherboard implimentation. I'm sure someone will make a vlb motherboard that takes 1x9 simms and uses a pentium processor. I'm also sure that there will be some motherboards that won't. -- " 4232,1,"From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Subject: Re: Fractal compression Keywords: fractal Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc. Lines: 12 In article , inu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (I Rachmat) writes: |> Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at |> fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx For better worse, the source on this on is Michael Barnsley. His article in The Science of Fractal Images (Peitgen et al) is a fair-to-middling intro. Barnsley's book Fractals Everywhere is a more thorough treatment. The book covers Iterated Function Systems in general, and their application to image compression is clear from the text. --- dr memory jbulf@kpc.com " 4233,16,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: A Scoop of Waco Road, Please Keywords: topical, smirk Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 62 cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >Your ""lite"" posting for the day, from rec.humor.funny: >In article , bellas@tti.com (Pete Bellas) writes: >> >> There is a new Ice Cream Flavor inspired by the incident at Waco. >> >> It's called Mount Caramel, it's full of nuts but you can't get it out >> of the carton. >-- >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... Even though I find this to be funny on the surface, the original poster of the joke has tried and convicted the members of the BD to be a bunch of ""nuts"". This may be a dangerous thing to do. It is my opinion that most educated or well informed people of this country have some distrust of the government. This should exist because as a bureaucracy, any government given enough time will tend to exist for it self and not for the original purpose it was created for. This distrust by the people should keep those in power in-line. That and a properly functioning press. When a sensationalism oriented press portrays a group of people as ""nuts"" or crazies, a violation of those people's civil rights seem justified. Since we, as American's, have the gurantee of rights as enumerated in the constitution, to include the 2nd ammendment, the government must appease the public's opinion or risk voted out of existance, or if it has become corrupt enough to tamper with domocratic process itself, being thrown out by force. Our government as it stands, must appease the public. Therefore the official press releases portray the BD's as fanatics who are a threat to public safety. We must not prejudge people based on one sided information. So far the only information that we are being given is comming from the very agency that was embarrased by the BD(Branch Davidians sp?). It is to their advantage to make the BD's as fanatical and dangerous as possible. If they were portrayed as law-abiding citizen's, then they(ATF) had no justification what so ever of doing what they did. So let's keep an open mind. Jokes like above, even though it may be funny, may mislead the public from the truth of the matter. Just as an aside, my understanding of U.S. vs Rock Island and U.S. vs Dalton leads me to believe that the National Firearms Act, which allows the Fed's (in this case ATF) to regulate firearms(machine guns), has been deemed to be unconstitutional since 1986.(By two federal district courts at least). And since, I believe the only reason ATF was involved in this case is because of firearms violations, it would be interesting to find out whether or not the search warrent was based on the NFA. It would be very embarrassing indeed if a search warrent based on a possibly unconstitutional law has resulted in 4 deaths(Law enforcement). **************************************************************************** The above opinions are mine and mine only. I'm solely responsible for my opinions and my actions. If you must flame then flame away, but a well constructed argument will be much more respected. Young-hoon Yoon yoony@rpi.edu 211 North Hall n6zud@hibp1.ecse.rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute N6ZUD/2 HL9KMT(former) Troy, NY 12180 " 4234,16,"From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Organization: UDel: School of Life & Health Sciences Lines: 28 In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: }In article <1993Apr10.155819.18237@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: }>Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from }>bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be }>for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. } }Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. Japan did this. It required near-total isolation from the rest of the world for 2 centuries. }Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will }die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as }long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few }shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One }assumes they are moving!) Hunting weapons are great for extortionist sharpshooters. ""Send me money or else I'll pick you off from 2 miles away."" Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL, The International Society for Individual Liberty, 1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com Think Universally, Act Selfishly - starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu " 4235,8,"From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Article-I.D.: fringe.oNV82B1w165w Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 66 ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: > My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or > something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the > approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, > then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it > didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my > house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to > the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to > the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to > harm. [interesting dog collision story deleted] > What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have > prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not > necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was > riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if > it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the > thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a > blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are > long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? > > I eagerly await comment. My driveway and about half my neighbor's driveways are long enough to do a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to. Granted, I live in the country, however I've seen neighbors whip out of their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they claim they can tell that ""There's noone on the road for quite a ways."" This despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving a Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a car that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped. Same driver. Same car. About two months apart. ObMoto: The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type of twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well that they can't see me on my bike, not if they couldn't see me in my pickup. > Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride > KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to > DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to > ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . > > > * SLMR 2.1a * ""He's hurt."" ""Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."" > > ---- > +===============================================================+ > |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| > |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| > +===============================================================+ There's nothing like the pitter-patter of little feet, followed by the words ""Hey- you're not my Daddy!"" (Sorry- I had to do it just once) -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 " 4236,15,"From: gerhard@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Gerhard Fohler) Subject: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA Lines: 15 Sorry for bothering with a request almost irrelevant to anyone except for me: Could some kind soul provide me with the phone number of wycliffe center horsley green high wycomb bucks hp 14 3 xl I want to surprise a friend of mine staying there, but I don't have the number. thanks a lot in advance Gerhard [Obviously email response is best. What do people think of requests like this? Unless things are very different in the UK and US, it should be possible to find this out by calling what we call ""information"". The netwide cost of a posting is fairly significant. --clh] " 4237,7,"From: m-it2691@DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (Tim Tsai) Subject: AWD BMW Lines: 11 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA12484; Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:06:31 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA26423; Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:06:30 -0700 X-Received: by DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07384; Tue, 6 Apr 93 02:07:00 -0400 X-To: rec.autos.usenet X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2] Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94? I believe this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek a couple of months ago. Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called the 325ix. I'd appreciate any info about this car too. Thanks.. Thanks. Tim " 4238,3,"From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) Subject: Scan Rate vs. Font Size Summary: Which is more important? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 10 This past winter I found myself spending a ridiculous amout of time in front of my computer. Since my eyes were going berserk, I decided to shell out some serious money to upgrade from a 14"" to a 17"" monitor. I'm running 800x600 at 72 Hz. My eyes are very grateful. However, I find myself using a smaller font with less eye strain. Has anyone else had this kind of experience? I thought that small fonts were the culprit but it seems that flicker was my real problem. Any comments? Alec Lee alee@cs.du.edu " 4239,15,"From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) Subject: Christians that are not church members Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 13 Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with any local church and are not members of any local church. This is an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with regard to this issue? |-------------------| | Gary Chin | | Staff Engineer | | Sun Microsystems | | Mt. View, CA | | gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | |-------------------| " 4240,1,"From: thomas@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (F. Thomas) Subject: print graph on printer Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 6 This seems to be a simple problem but I just cannot solve it. I wrote a C program to draw some polygons on the screen, and I want to print it on my printer. So, I press ""print-screen"" on the keyboard. The problem is the printer just print out some ASCII characters. Is there any other way to print the screen without using ""print-screen""???? Please help! " 4241,18,"From: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) Subject: Re: CA's pedophilia laws Organization: Kalamazoo College Lines: 79 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes: ># ># Having completely ># dived into the abyss of believing that there are no queers in the world ># who think differently from the child-molestation-advocating minority on ># soc.motss, he doesn't even notice that he's starting a sentence with ># ""They believe"" when the referent of that ""they"" is millions of people. ># ""...so few as to be irrelevant..."" > >If you don't want to be lumped together as a group, stop insisting >on being treated as a member of a group. Please point out where I have said I even _was_ a member of that group, much less asked to be treated as such, much less insisted upon it. >Sexual orientation is not defined by the anti-discrimination law >that was passed last year. Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation? Wait a minute. You've been claiming for quite a while now that pedophilia, according to CA state law, is a sexual orientation. Now your position is that the law doesn't specifically exclude it? You know damn well what's going to happen. Some guy in a NAMBLA T-shirt's going to apply at a day-care, they're going to turn him down, he's going to take it to court, and the court's going to rule that sexual orientation is defined as homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality. Unless and until that court decides that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, you have no business saying so. ># ""Silence = Death"" pin or something. They turn me down because of ># that. > >I wholeheartedly support their right to take this action. I wouldn't >do it myself, unless it was something like the NAMBLA T-shirt. Despite the fact that all homosexuals are lying bastards? ># How about: a black man applies for a job at a bank. The bank decides, ># based on statistics, a black person would be more likely to steal ># money, and denies the man the job. Would you support the bank's right ># to this freedom? > >I support their right to do so [deletia] but [deletia] Ah. So, for example, you are opposed to the Civil Rights Act of 1964? >Here's the law that was passed and signed by the governor: > > The people of the State of California do enact as follows: > > 1 SECTION 1. The purpose of this act is to codify > 2 existing case law as determined in Gay Law Students v. > 3 Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458 (1979) > 4 and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654 > 5 (1991) prohibiting discrimination based on sexual > 6 orientation. > 7 SEC. 2. Section 1102. is added to the Labor Code, to > 8 read: > 9 1102.1. (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit >10 discrimination or disparate treatment in any of the terms >11 and conditions of employment based on actual or >12 perceived sexual orientation. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >13 (b) This section shall not apply to a religious >14 association or corporation not organized for private >15 profit, whether incorporated as a religious or public >16 benefit corporation. There's no ""for purposes of this act, the term 'sexual orientation' will be defined as"" section? No definitions anywhere? Did they run this through the state Congress on an accelerated schedule or something? -- Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy " 4242,6,"From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant) Subject: Bunch-O-PC-Stuff for sale Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 35 Got a few things I want to get rid of... Paradise EGA480/Casper EGA Monitor 1 12 MHz '286 motherboard (DRAM/SIPP) 1 16 MHz '286 momboard (DRAM only) 1 Hayes ""Prodigy special"" 2400b external modem 1 1Meg SIPP 1 256K SIPP about 2 Megs DRAM (I believe there's 1M of 120ns, and one of 100 or 80ns, but not absolutely sure). Also have an XT with 640K, serial board, Hercules board and amber monitor. The only thing this system is missing is the power supply. Make an offer on any/all of this stuff, and thanx for contributing to Mitch's V.32bis modem fund. Mitch NOTE: Cross-posted to several forsale froups; followups redirected back to me! There's a reason for that - I don't read these groups. -- Mitch Gorman srscnslt@telesciences.com ""Things are not what they seem."" ""Through a crack in Mother Earth, Blazing hot, the molten rock spills out over the land. And the lava's the lover who licks your boots away..."" " 4243,16,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.150736.15793@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com writes: > >Ask the Brits. Enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now >use them under only certain ""controlled"" circumstances. And they are fired >from something that looks like a tear gas launcher. > >There are smaller rubber bullets and pellets (for shotguns). I understand that >they are only intended to be discouragers, ie. for the snapping but not truly >dangerous animal. In general, they do not seem capable of really stopping >someone who wants you or past you. They are fired at very low muzzle velocity >(the .38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load). Finally, as your mother >warned you, you can put an eye out with that thing. :-) >-- Oh, OK. Just wondering. I am not a real expert on weapons, I was just wondering if they would do the job. Doug Holland " 4244,4,"From: ""Altan J. Stalker"" Subject: SE/30 Hard Drive Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Indiana University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1161 Lines: 33 I have an SE/30 with a 80 meg HD which dates back to April 1989. When I originally purchased it, I experienced the failure to boot problem. This was fixed soon after by a ROM upgrade on the hard drive. Lately a similar problem has been occuring. When the computer is powered on the HD light flashes a few times and then I am given the ""no disk to boot from"" icon. However, upon turing the computer off and on again the drive ALWAYS boots up just fine. Furthermore, if instead of turning the power on and off I press the reboot button the same problem occurs. But, as I said, turning the power off and on always works. This problem is different from the 1989 boot problem in that before it often required several power off and ons to get it to boot. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the problem is or how it can be fixed? I'm wondering if it's getting old and requires more time to ""come up to speed"" now. Is there a PRAM or SCSI setting that allows me to tell the computer to wait a little longer before trying to access the HD? Thanks! Altan J. Stalker astalker@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Indiana University Computer Science Dept. " 4245,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!! Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 24 In article <0foVj7i00WB4MIUmht@andrew.cmu.edu> Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: > >Well, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the >local ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing [stuff deleted] Ok, here's the solution to your problem. Move to Canada. Yesterday I was able to watch FOUR games...the NJ-PITT at 1:00 on ABC, LA-CAL at 3:00 (CBC), BUFF-BOS at 7:00 (TSN and FOX), and MON-QUE at 7:30 (CBC). I think that if each series goes its max I could be watching hockey playoffs for 40-some odd consecutive nights (I haven't counted so that's a pure guess). I have two tv's in my house, and I set them up side-by-side to watch MON-QUE and keep an eye on BOS-BUFF at the same time. I did the same for the two afternoon games. Btw, those ABC commentaters were great! I was quite impressed; they seemed to know that their audience wasn't likely to be well-schooled in hockey lore and they did an excellent job. They were quite impartial also, IMO. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (not suffering from a shortage of hockey here) " 4246,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: S1, S2 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not >a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system- >security. The only theory that makes any sense is that S1 and S2 are either the same for all chips, or vary among very few possibilities, so that anyone trying to break the encryption by brute force need only plow through the possible serial numbers (2^30, about one billion), multiplied by the number of different S1, S2 combinations. " 4247,17,"From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 I see that our retarded translator, David, is still writing things that don't make sense. Hey David I can see where you are.. May be one day, We will have the chance to talk deeply about that freedom of speach of yours.. And you now, killing or torture, these things are only easy ways out.. I have different plans for you and all empty headeds like you... Lets get serious, DAVE, don't ever write bad things about Turkish people or especially Cyprus.. If I hear a word from you again that I consider to be a curse to my people I will retalliate... Muccccukkk.. TIMUCIN. -- KAAN,TIMUCIN Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu " 4248,18,"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? Organization: WINCO Lines: 59 In article <1pkkidINNsrj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: > >In article <1993Mar30.181636.22756@pmafire.inel.gov>, >cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) said: > >> A real world data point: A person has a much stronger legal claim for >> harrassment (sexual or otherwise) if they make it clear to the >> offender that their behaviour is unwanted. If the behaviour persists, >> harrassment is much easier to demonstrate, due to the fact that the >> offender knew that the behaviour was unwanted. > >No argument here... my original query regarded the question of why the >_first_ sexual proposition made by Person A to Person B would be >considered to be sexual harassment by some/many people. (Assuming, of >course, that there does not exist a power relationship between A and B >such that the proposition carries strong implications of extortion right >from Word One.) I can only say that those people are wrong. The word harass means to irritate or torment persistently; I'd hardly consider one time to fall under the definition of persistent. Additionally, there is no basis to assume the behaviour is unwanted, unlike an illegal proposition. > >> Of course, I think the original question of offering money for sex is >> inarguably harrassment, because the activity is illegal, and could be >> presumed to be unwanted by the average citizen. > >I have to take issue with this viewpoint... given that (a) prostitution >is a victimless crime and (b) there are literally millions of Americans >who participate in some sort of victimless activities which the state >has defined to be criminal (e.g., prostitution, obscenity, gambling, >using certain recreational drugs, having non-mercenary sex with persons >not one's spouse in certain states, having ""unnatural"" sex with people >regardless of marital status or exchange of money in certain states, >etc.), I'd have to say that the idea that an activity may be presumed to >be unwanted by the average citizen merely because it is illegal is the >sort of sophistry that only a judge could indulge in with a straight >face. (He said, speaking as a law student who's read his share of >judicial opinions in which reality was not only denied but, in fact, >actually inverted in order to make the universe conform to the writer's >politics.) I was speaking from a legalistic viewpoint. What you say is true, but the law, in order to make what little sense it manages to make, has to make *some* assumptions. Assuming that an illegal activity is unwanted by the average citizen I think is reasonable. Certainly, I would need a preponderance of evidence on the side of the propositioner that there was a reasonable belief that the proposition was welcome. The number of people who participate in ""victimless"" crimes notwithstanding, the fact reamins that under the law, the activity is illegal. To presume that the proposition *is* welcome simply because a large number of people indulge in it is the type of sophistry only a lawyer could indulge in with a straight face. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4249,9,"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Sat., Apr. 17th, 1993 Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) Lines: 73 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu Keywords: mlb, 04.17 MLB Standings and Scores for Satruday, April 17th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road San Francisco Giants 07 04 .636 -- 6-4 Won 2 04-01 03-03 Houston Astros 06 04 .600 0.5 6-4 Won 1 01-03 05-01 Atlanta Braves 06 06 .500 1.5 5-5 Lost 3 04-03 03-02 Los Angeles Dodgers 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Won 1 01-03 03-04 Colorado Rockies 03 06 .333 3.0 3-6 Lost 1 03-03 00-03 San Diego Padres 03 07 .300 3.5 3-7 Won 1 01-04 02-03 Cincinnati Reds 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 4 01-03 01-05 NATIONAL EAST Philadelphia Phillies 08 02 .800 -- 8-2 Lost 1 05-01 03-01 Pittsburgh Pirates 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 03-02 04-01 St. Louis Cardinals 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 04-02 03-01 New York Mets 05 04 .556 2.5 5-4 Won 1 02-03 03-01 Chicago Cubs 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 Montreal Expos 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 Florida Marlins 03 07 .300 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 01-03 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Texas Rangers 06 03 .667 -- 6-3 Lost 2 04-02 02-01 California Angels 05 03 .625 0.5 5-3 Lost 1 03-02 02-01 Chicago White Sox 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 2 02-03 03-01 Minnesota Twins 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 1 02-02 03-02 Oakland Athletics 04 04 .500 1.5 4-4 Lost 2 04-02 00-02 Seattle Mariners 04 05 .444 2.0 4-5 Lost 2 03-02 01-03 Kansas City Royals 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 1 01-05 01-03 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 07 03 .700 -- 7-3 Lost 1 03-01 04-02 New York Yankees 06 04 .600 1.0 6-4 Won 1 03-01 03-03 Detroit Tigers 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Won 3 03-00 02-04 Toronto Blue Jays 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Lost 1 04-02 01-02 Cleveland Indians 04 06 .400 3.0 4-6 Won 1 03-01 01-05 Baltimore Orioles 03 06 .333 3.5 3-6 Won 2 01-02 02-04 Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 YESTERDAY'S SCORES (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE New York Mets 3 Chicago White Sox 9 Cincinnati Reds 1 Boston Red Sox 4 Florida Marlins 3 California Angels 1 Houston Astros 9 Baltimore Orioles 4 Philadelphia Phillies 1 Kansas City Royals 3 Chicago Cubs 3 Minnesota Twins 4 (10) Colorado Rockies 2 Seattle Mariners 0 Montreal Expos 3 Detroit Tigers 5 Pittsburgh Pirates 4 Toronto Blue Jays 1 Los Angeles Dodgers 7 Cleveland Indians 13 Atlanta Braves 0 Texas Rangers 3 San Francisco Giants 1 New York Yankees 5 St. Louis Cardinals 1 Oakland Athletics PPD San Diego Padres 5 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4250,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 9 In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: [flame-bait, pure and simple] -- " 4251,7,"From: bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Reply-To: bobml@msd.measurex.com Organization: Measurex MSD Distribution: mxmsd Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.193712.25996@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: > >I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one > >to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the > >spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used! > > I have just a couple of questions about this technique. > > First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer > finger or my pinky? Left hand or right? > > And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted > for. Any suggestions? > > /andy > How about your two big toes? And while you're at it, why bother with removing the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from there with your mouth and then spit it out? -- Domain: bobml@msd.measurex.com Bob LaGesse, Senior Software Engineer UUCP: ...!uunet!mxmsd!bobml Measurex/Management Systems Division Voice: (513) 825-3931 X303 1280 Kemper Meadow Drive Fax: (513) 825-5393 Cincinnati, Ohio 45240, USA " 4252,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act |> >>to be moral one? |> > |> >I like to think that many things are possible. Explain to me |> >how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. |> |> For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there would be nothing voluntary about it. |> |> >>That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality, |> >>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard |> >>it? |> > |> >Weaker than that. There must be the possibility that the |> >organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can |> >consider alternatives. |> |> So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other |> beings mimics theirs? You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying ""Pretty Polly"" isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly. |> And, how much emphasis do you place on intelligence? See above. |> Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but |> they don't. They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly this, but you seem to have a very short memory. |> Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because |> most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? I'm saying: ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" It's right there in the posting you are replying to. jon. " 4253,3,"From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) Subject: Re: Warning on Copy II PC Board + Help on Copying? Keywords: Mislead, Misinform, Misdirect, COPY Article-I.D.: rpi.y3g53tr Lines: 40 Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu In v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes: >Now, does anyone know a way to back up the masters of Word-Perfect 5.1 for >Windows, Windows 3.1, and Norton 6.0 so I can send another copy to my >permanent (non-college) address for safe-keeping? Students keep borrowing >my masters, and I'm worried they'll get screwed up! (Please don't tell me You realize, of course, that inevitably some anal retentive moron is going to come along and wag his fingers and his jowls in outrage that personal politics are more important than [SMCAP][BOLD][Font:God 999pt.]The Law[smcap][bold][font]. But that's irrelevant to the problem here. Windows came with my system, but on 5.25"" disks. I hate using 5.25"" disks, so I copied them over to high density 3.5""'s using xcopy. It worked fine. In fact, for a while I was changing configurations and whatnot so much that I decided to try putting them on the hard disk. Not only can you copy them over with one disk per directory, but if you want to, you can simply copy them all into one directory. Makes it a lot nicer when you're switching printer emulations around. Norton 6.0 I don't have much experience with, but when a friend's system crashed, we restored from a backup rather than from the originals, and it worked fine. This would imply that arj a -r norton c:\nu would create a workable backup, and if you did a full install the first time, you've got the whole thing. Never played with WP for Windows; I'm not too big of a fan of anything from Utah. Good luck.... Disclaimer: Don't Copy That Floppy! (tm) Just Say No! (r) Respect Your Elders! For The Wages Of Sin Is (sic) Death And A Hefty Legal Bill! DO YOU OFFEND? Rob -- Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... " 4254,10,"From: roney@selkirk.sfu.ca (Chris J. Roney) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: na Lines: 33 epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes: > No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say >that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are >assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy >individual (from what I have heard). Depends on what you mean by classy. From what I've heard about him, he was about as classy as Harold Ballard. Only difference was that back then almost all the owners were like that, so he seemed okay by comparison. Read the book ""Net Worth"" for one view of what Smythe (and Norris and Adams and Campbell) were like. > Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money >for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think >you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as >should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make >the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming >division after management people rather than players is adding insult >(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was >deserved). Even more specifically, I think what Roger was saying (and I said it previously too) is that these are NOT the people who made the league great, so why should divisions, conferences etc. be named after them instead of Morenz, Vezina, Howe, Orr etc., the people who DID make it great. Instead, the NHL has chosen to immortalize the men who got rich off of the men who made the game great. -- Chris Roney (e-mail chris_roney@sfu.ca) " 4255,11,"From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Summary: Buckets of blood pouring from peoples' heads! Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Lines: 46 brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: | If Clipper comes to cellular phones along with legal proscriptions against | using other cipher systems on these phones, a new and potentially dangerous | class of crime is created. | | Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications | (specifically the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow | cite as threats) will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a | legitimate user, and to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery | of compromise of the device will be delayed. Yow - get some sleep Brad! You mean that people (i.e. life-is-cheap terrorists & drug-dealing warlords) who want to communicate in privacy will prefer to break into my house, kill or kidnap me, and steal my telephone, rather than: - Spending $15 at K-mart to buy a new phone. - Purchasing a load of phones from the black market / flea market / super market. - Talking (*gasp*) face-to-face. - Walking down to any one of millions of pay phones. - Using messengers. - Going to excruciating effort to think of code phrases like ""I had a blowout on the freeway today"". Look, this system does nothing to threaten folks who _know_ they're being wiretapped, since it's trivial to find other avenues of communication; they'd have no reason to resort to extreme measures, since a plethora of simple alternatives are easily available to them. Among all the legitimate reasons to damn the proposed system, I don't think we need to worry about terrorist commie drug warlord assasin thugs murdering our families, kicking the dog and leaving the toilet seat up just to steal a $15 telephone. The system is more like urine testing: it catches some small number of very stupid people, has no effect on the ""bad guys"" with at least three neurons working in unison who wish to subvert it, and penalizes most heavily those who have no cause to be subject to it. ______________________________________________________________________________ Steve Hollasch Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. hollasch@kpc.com Santa Clara, California " 4256,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM Subject: Re: Return of the Know Nothing Party Summary: The right to know nothing News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 32 In article , drieux@wetware.com writes... >In article 23791@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) writes: >>In article drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes: >>>But I guess one needs to know a little about the bible, >>>christianity and american history..... >> >>Mt. St. Helens didn't spew such crap. How do you manage, >>drieux, day in & day out, to keep it up?? > >So which are you advocating? >That You know Nothing About American History, >Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible? > >Is this a Restoration of the ""Know Nothing"" Party? > Go easy on him drieux. It is the right of every American to know nothing about anything. >ciao >drieux >""All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy! >All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"" > -Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 4257,6,"From: nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Nave) Subject: C=64 SYSTEM FOR SALE - MAKE OFFER... Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 24 FOR SALE: *** COMPLETE PACKAGE ONLY *** (1) COMMODORE C64 COMPUTER LIKE NEW IN THE BOX WITH POWER SUPPLY AND OWNERS MANUALS (2) COMMODORE 1541C DISK DRIVE LIKE NEW IN THE BOX - AND OWNERS MANUAL (3) COMMODORE 1702 COLOR MONITOR LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL (4) PANASONIC KXP-1091 DOT MATRIX PRINTER LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL (5) PRINTER INTERFACE FOR PANASONIC PRINTER (6) FASTLOAD CARTRIDGE (7) HUGE STACK OF BOOKS ON C-64/1541 PROGRAMMING MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER AND I'LL THROW IN 300+ DISKS OF SOFTWARE... Please reply in e-mail. -- Joachim Nave nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, California DISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL! " 4258,15,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Re: Every Lent He suffers to save us Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 59 The story I related is one of the seven apparitions approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened in La Salle, France. The moral lesson of the story is: The Lamb of God has been sacrificed and His blood has been used to cleanse us of our sins every moment as God perceives worthy of being done in Heaven. Mary weeps for The Lamb and for the rest of her offsprings. This will continue while we disobey God or sin against Him. Mary, as a messenger, has been given the task to make us be 'aware' of the evil serpent (communism, wars, famine, unfaithful, disobedience to God, etc.) running after the rest of her offsprings. The children who went astray by disobedience led by the dragon is brought back by her peace and loving messages, reparations for sins, to obey God's commandments and be more worthy to be in the presence of The Lamb. As she was conceived without sin to be worthy of bearing the Son of God in her womb, Mary has been preparing us, the Church, the Body of Christ, for His second coming (making sure we are protected from the dragon). Also, she has been preparing the new Eden, by reversing the deed of the ancient Eve. The new Eden will be the sanctuary of the righteous as judged by Christ in His next coming. I relate the story again: I believe this and Mary, in one of her apparitions in 19th or 20th century, she appeared to these two children who tends goats and cows (I forgot the exact place). She was weeping and telling the children that she is afraid she's ""going to lose her Son's arm"". She is mourning too for these townfolks because it was their fault that there would be drought in their harvest; not much good food again this year as it was last year. Mary tells the children: * Most of the townfolks in this place worked whole * * week even on Sundays when they should be in church * * honoring God. These townfolks swears and * * uses her Son's name in bad words. That is * why her Son's arm is so heavy in pain. Then she asked them if they pray. The children said ""hardly"". She asked them to pray every morning and night. When the children went back from work they had to tell somebody about this. When the news was spred and after thorough * investigation of the incident, the townfolks * * were converted and faith and obedience to God * * were restored in their community. * Once again, the Lamb succeeds. -Marida ""...spreading God's words through actions..."" -Mother Teresa " 4259,19,"From: e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein) Subject: Re: cults (who keeps them going ?) Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes: >Mr. Clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the Waco fiasco >should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so. >Now, I began scratching my head thinking (a bad sign :-), ""don't the >mainstream religions (in this case Christianity...or the 7th day >adventist in particular) just keep these guys going ? Isn't Mr. Clinton >condemning his own religion ? After all, isn't it a cult too ?"" A good point. What helps to keep such things going is the public attitude that one should have ""faith""""; that some authority from on high should not be subjected to mere reason. Couple this with a variety of personality quirks, mojor and minor mental illnesses, and ego of would-be leaders, and you get all the variety of cults and religions that people subscribe to. . " 4260,2,From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin) Subject: Proteced Mode Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 1 I'm looking for information how W-NT uses Proteced Mode. (The HW support) 4261,16,"From: jbs@rti.rti.org Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill Distribution: na Lines: 24 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >Though I agree this is not the place to discuss guns, I note in passing that >a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words ""well regulated"" >in their distorted interpretations of the Second Amendment. What interpretations? Just read it as it's written. ""A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."" Where does it say ""The right of the people to be members of a militia shall not be infringed"" or ""The right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?"" NOWHERE. ""Well-educated businessmen being necessary to the ability of the nation to compete in the international marketplace, the right of the people to attend schools shall not be infringed."" Would you ""interpret"" this to mean that only businessmen should have a protected right to attend schools? Why or why not? -joe " 4262,14,"From: Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 <1993Apr23.124759.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Lines: 29 In <1993Apr23.124759.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey writes: >In article <19930422.121236.246@almaden.ibm.com>, Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) writes: >> 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated ""Level 5"" by a NASA team. >> This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. > >Will someone tell an ignorant physicist where the term ""Level 5"" comes >from? It sounds like the RISKS Digest equivalent of Large, Extra >Large, Jumbo... Or maybe it's like ""Defcon 5..."" > >I gather it means that Shuttle software was developed with extreme >care to have reliablility and safety, and almost everything else in >the computing world is Level 1, or cheesy dime-store software. Not >surprising. But who is it that invents this standard, and how come >everyone but me seems to be familiar with it? Level 5 refers to the Carnegie-Mellon Software Engineering Institute's Capability Maturity Model. This model rates software development org's from1-5. with 1 being Chaotic and 5 being Optimizing. DoD is beginning to use this rating system as a discriminator in contracts. I have more data on thifrom 1 page to 1000. I have a 20-30 page presentation that summarizes it wethat I could FAX to you if you're interested... Bret Wingert Wingert@VNET.IBM.COM (713)-282-7534 FAX: (713)-282-8077 " 4263,18,"From: wiggins@cecer.army.mil (Don Wiggins) Subject: Re: Top Ten Responses to Ed's Top Ten Lists Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs Lines: 16 >>roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? ""...a la Chrysler""?? Okay kids, to the nearest thousand, how many dollars did the government spend to ""bail out"" Chrysler? More than zero you say? Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer. |===========================================================================| |Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American | Success is getting what you want. | | & Lead Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. | |Internet: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu | -- Brother Dave Gardner | |===========================================================================| " 4264,6,"From: frp@table.NSD.3Com.COM (Frank R. Pereira) Subject: Moving Sale Distribution: ba Organization: 3Com Corporation Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: table.nsd.3com.com Moving Sale: Must sell before May 5: Futon: high-end, oak, queen, like new -- $250 Computer Desk: roll-top, locks securely, like new -- $100 Color TV: 13"", perfect cond., great for bedroom -- $50 ( ***SOLD) Coffee Tables/Dresser: $40 or B.O. Lamps: $10 Make an offer!! Ask for Esther: 415/571-6062 eve 408/736-0490 day " 4265,17,"From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Mr. Freeman: Please find something more constructive to do with your time rather than engaging in fantasy..... Not that I have a particular affinty to Arafat or anything. John ""Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter- most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to " 4266,16,"From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: whale.st.usm.edu Organization: University of Southern Mississippi Lines: 145 First, I would like to say how much I appreciate having so literate and erudite an individual as Mr. Rutledge with whom to discuss this topic. Frankly, most anti-RKBA posters refuse even to approach the topic of the original understanding of the Bill of Rights as detailed in the writings of the era. This is most refreshing. Second, I must apologize for leaving the discussion for several days. My brigade's quarterly drill was this weekend and I needed to attend to several matters pertaining to the State Militia. Some people seem to feel that the concept of the Militia is an anachro- nism that is out of place in the 20th century. I'm not sure the Swiss would agree and I think perhaps a discussion of how the Militia, both organized and unorganized, fits into the defense plans of my State, Mississippi. Please do not assume that this describes something peculiar to one southern state. For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has a well organized Militia which, members report, maintains stocks of both riot guns and machine guns. The laws of other States will vary but are probably similar. Title 35 of Mississippi Code defines our Militia as ""all able-bodied citizens of the state between the ages of seventeen (17) and sixty- two (62) years..."". The Militia is divided into 3 classes: The National Guard, the Mississippi State Guard and the unorganized Militia. The National Guard is a strange sort of fish from a Constitutional perspective. It tries to be both State Militia and Federal Reserve. The discussion of this ""para-constitutional"" arrangement is quite interesting in itself but somewhat beyond the scope of this discussion. Suffice it that, at this date, the National Guard has ceased to have any Constitutional standing as anything but a Federal reserve force. Mississippi, and most other States, maintains a purely State organized Militia. In Mississippi this is called The State Guard. In other States it may be called something else. The State Guard exists as a cadre or training corps made up of mostly experienced officers and senior NCOs who serve as volunteers without compensation. We drill on a monthly basis at the company and battalion level, brigade once a quarter and have an annual drill of the whole organization. Our State-authorized cadre strength is 694. This is a skeleton of an organization without any flesh. The muscle and sinew when needed will come from the unorganized Militia. In time of invasion, insurrection or calamity the Governor can order the activation of the State Guard. When this takes place a call will first be made for volunteers to fill the organization out to either its contingency strength of 2194 or full strength of 4910. In the event that a sufficient number of people fail to volunteer, the law provides detailed instructions for the conducting of a draft of the unorganized Militia. The size of the State Guard is not specified by law, but rather by executive order. At one time, the organized Militia of Mississippi consisted of 68 regiments. Needless to say, the State does not have armories brimming with weapons with which to equip such a force. The historical precedent for arming such a force is by use of mostly the private arms of the Militiamen. It is my hope that demonstrates that State Militias are far from being the long dead anachronisms that some may wish to claim. >No, I simple stated that the people have a right to ""join a well >organized militia."" And I have also stated that a militia that >meets once or twice a year is clearly ""well organized."" And this >state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a ""right"" >to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated >by Hamilton. Regarding Hamilton: If you take Hamilton's opinion as being the sole representative of the opinions of the Founding Fathers, you will have chosen a highly skewed sample set. Hamilton was on the extreme Federalist end of the political spectrum. Others, such as Coxe and Henry, can be chosen to represent the other end. Many contemporaries felt that the idea of having a standing Army of any sort or even a select Militia or ""train bands"" were contrary to the egalitarian nature of the govern- ment they were striving to perfect. The compromise reached was to provide for a small Army, which had to be refinanced every two years, and iron-clad protection for the Militia, which was to remain ever, ""terrible and irresistible"". These protections included: State control, not Federal; limitation of Federal utilization of the Militia (i.e. execute Laws, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions), and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to prevent what the British had tried to do at Lexington. These limitations eventually proved so onerous to the Federal Govern- ment that they were skirted by the creation of the National Guard. The National Guard was created for one very simple reason: the Constitutional Militia was had proved too unreliable for fighting wars of imperial expansion. (e.g. Spanish-American War). The Constitution provided that the Militia could only be employed by the Federal government in very limited purposes. As far back as the War of 1812, Militia units had refused to leave United States territory to attack the enemy. Further, there was no Constitutional authorization for any conscription of anyone into the Federal Military and Militiamen were particularly protected. In all wars until WW-I every American who left the country under arms was a volunteer. When the National Guard acts of 1903-1916 required that each new member also enlist as a reservest in the Army, existing soldiers were ""grandfathered"". At least one of these ""grandfathered"" individuals refused to go to France in 1918 and his refusal was upheld by the Federal Courts. Mr. Rutledge has stated that the Second Amendment applies only to members of a ""well organized"" militia. However, the pre-Constitutional history of the American Militia shows relatively few periods when The Militia came close to meeting either Messrs. Rutledge or Hamilton's definition of ""well organized"". In the period of peace between the French & Indian War and The Revolution many companies simply stopped drilling and had to be reconstituted just prior to The Revolution. Perhaps Mr. Rutledge would care to argue that those of my ancestors who answered the Lexington alarm had forfeited their rights because their units didn't drill for a few years in the 1760s. I would not be so bold. Again, I wish to repeat. The National Guard, for all its merits, is not the Militia described by the Constitution nor by Mr. Hamilton nor by Mr. Henry nor by Mr. Coxe. The fact that the Federal Government and many States are delinquent in their attentions to and organizing of their Constitutional Militias diminishes neither their responsibilities nor the rights of the Militia as detailed in the Constitution. Misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of the Militia is but one error that has crept into modern readings of the Constitution. The Constitution prohibits States from keeping ""Troops or Ships of War in time of Peace"". I have heard some insist this prevents States from maintaining a Militia, but this comes about because people today do not understand the meanings of the words in their 18th century usage. Today we call any large vessel a ""ship"" but in the 18th century the word described a particular kind of vessel. A ""ship"" is a large vessel with three or more masts each carrying square rigged sails. A ""brig"" has two masts. In the contemporary usage the States were prohibited only from keeping the largest warships of the day, those capable of global operations. Today's equivalent might be a prohibition on the States' keeping nuclear missiles. ""Troops"" at this time meant a full-time professional military organization. Any study of contemporaneous writings will bear this out. In at least one respect, I am in agreement with Mr. Rutledge; being personally involved in the maintenance and advancement of The Militia as a viable means of defense for a modern society, I am frequently both bemused and saddened when friends and associates wax poetic on their place in the unorganized Militia and become strangely silent or scarce when invited to attend a drill of their State's Militia. -- Donald R. Newcomb * University of Southern Mississippi dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu * This is the way we tax and spend, tax dnewcomb@falcon.st.usm.edu * and spend. We're Democrats in office. " 4267,2,"From: () Subject: Re: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money Organization: Purdue University Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr20.040449.19649@twg.com>, q@twg.com (Michael Wiesenberg) wrote: > > I just got a copy of Tobias' Managing Your Money v9.0. I have Quicken 6, > and it's wonderful for some things, but MYM seems to have some features > that Q6 doesn't. For example, Q6 doesn't seem to be able to handle > monthly automatic deductions from a checking account (you know, a > monthly payment that gets electronically deducted every month from > my checking account). Or is there something that I'm not doing right, > and Q6 can actually do that? Hi I have never used MYM so I can not help you with the comparison of the two products. I am, however, a devoted Quicken user, and I can tell you how to set up the weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly transactions. First use the Memorize feature (CTRL-M) to record the recurring transactions. Next, define a transaction group which uses these memorized transactions and specify the frequency that it should be used (i.e. monthly). Quicken will/can not automatically make the transactions for you, but now all you do is recall the group and all of the individual transactions will be entered at once. Additionally if you are using the Bill Minder, it will remind you when each transaction group is due. For example, you could have three transaction groups. One for payments at the beginning of the month, middle of the month, and one for quarterly payments. I hope this helps. Mike " 4268,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Christ references in OT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 11 Adam, I just finished a study on this, not only looking at the prophecies themselves, but where they were fulfilled. While going only through the OT, I found 508 references. After starting to show their fulfillment, I found out that I had missed some, so needless to say I cannot post them here. However, the study I did I intend to publish (I am in the process of organizing and showing the fulfillments, then I will be ready to write and send it to a publisher). With any luck (and/or free time) I should have it finally done sometime around September (I hope). Joe Fisher " 4269,16,"From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges) Subject: Re: JFFO has gone a bit too far Nntp-Posting-Host: beretta Organization: Intermetrics Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 80 Having read the posted long article by JPFO, I have some observations: 1. This article does NOT claim that the GCA of 1968 is a ""verbatim translation"" of a Nazi law. What it says is that in another place -- the book they're talking about -- they compare the two things section by section. The implication is that the similarities are devastating. In the next sentence, they talk about how in that book they reproduce the German text of the Nazi law, together with its translation. Not surprisingly, a reader could easily conflate these two things into a single idea: that the American GCA is a literal translation of the Nazi law; and sure enough, that's what the whole thing has mutated into, urban-folklore style. 2. The article goes to great pains to establish that Senator Dodd had a copy of the Nazi law, either from his time on the Nurnberg prosecution team or later. This fact is considered highly incriminating, but I don't understand why. The author repeats several times that he is simply unable to imagine how anyone could come into possession of the original text; and yet in a paragraph towards the end, he explains it perfectly: ""If Dodd got his copy of the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law during his time at Nurnberg, it likely was part of a collection of documents, for example, issues of the Reichsgesetzblatt [the German law registry]."" Bingo. Exactly. Dodd had a *book*, with a series of Nazi laws in it, including the one under discussion. All of the stuff about ""Why would a U.S. congressman have a copy of a Nazi law?"" melts away, by the author's admission. He then continues: ""But if he acquired the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law after his service at Nurnberg, he must have done so for a very specific reason..."" But there's absolutely no reason to think that this is the case. In fact, as a ""senior member of the U.S. team that helped to prosecute Nazi war criminals"", it seems to me that he would have *had* to have a copy. All arguments about whether the Nazi Weapon Law is really of historical interest (as it obviously is, certainly according to the author here), or whether Dodd personally prosecuted the Interior Minister who signed it, can be put aside as red herrings. 3. Having established that Dodd owned a copy of the original German text, the JPFO article then tries to draw sinister implications from the fact that he asked to have it translated. The problem is, in the context of the charge levelled at Dodd, these two things work *against* each other. People ask to have things translated when they *don't know what they mean*. If Dodd took it upon himself to preserve the Nazi law with idea of someday introducing it into American law, surely by 1968 he would have know what it *meant*, wouldn't he? Anyway, this precise charge -- the main one that I questioned in an earlier posting -- is just silly. Why would Dodd need the exact translation for this purpose? Is the idea that the gun controllers, despite being presumably bent on disarming the populace with the goal of eventually destroying all civil liberties, needed a crib sheet? Didn't they have any idea how to do it on their own? Once again, the author provides a perfectly acceptable answer to his own question: ""Dodd may have offered his copy of the Nazi Weapons Law to show that the specific proposal did not resemble anything in the Nazi law."" In fact, since the law and its translation *were* entered into the Congressional Record, under the heading of documents ""concerning the history of Nazism and gun confiscation"", Dodd's motivation isn't a mystery: he asked for the translation in order to put it in the CR. 4. Even this article makes it clear that the part of the Nazi law that was added *by* the Nazi regime is only a small part of that law. Registration of guns, for instance, was begun in 1928, and thus NOT a ""Nazi-inspired"" idea. The parts of the Nazi law that parallel the 1968 GCA include handgun control of some sort, and the identification of certain weapons as sporting weapons. The JPFO then goes on to list other parts of the Nazi law, forbidding ownership of weapons by Jews; of course, there are no such provisions in the American GCA. Nevertheless, in a rhetorical move guaranteed to muddy the waters, immediately after the discussion of the anti-Jewish parts of the law, the JPFO article continues, ""Given the parallels between the Nazi Weapons Law and the GCA'68..."" -- so as to get maximum emotional mileage out of that aspect of the law. -- -- Don Porges porges@inmet.camb.inmet.com ..uunet!inmet!porges " 4270,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 17 In article <930419.122738.5s2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew wrote: > > lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang) writes: > > Values can also refer to meaning. For example in computer science the > > value of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE. > > Not in Lisp. True, all you need to define is one statement that defined one polarity, and all the other states are considered the other polarity. Then again what is the meaning of nil, false or true :-) ? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 4271,1,"From: watson@madvax.uwa.oz.au (David Watson) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Maths Dept UWA Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: xanthorrhoea.maths.uwa.edu.au In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu>, bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: |> Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, |> center and radius, exactly fitting those points? Finding the circumcenter of a tetrahedron is discussed on page 33 in CONTOURING: A guide to the analysis and display of spatial data, by Dave Watson, Pergamon Press, 1992, ISBN 0 08 040286 0, 321p. Each pair of tetrahedral vertices define a plane which is a perpendicular bisector of the line between that pair. Express each plane in the form Ax + By + Cz = D and solve the set of simultaneous equations from any three of those planes that have a vertex in common (all vertices are used). The solution is the circumcenter. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 " 4272,7,"From: kega@celsiustech.se (Kent Gabrin) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Organization: CelsiusTech AB Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr6.060553.22453@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: ...deleted lines... >>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on >Australians still do drive on the ""wrong"" side of the road. I believe >Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped >all the traffic signs around one Sunday.... As I live in Sweden I remember the day perfectly well. We changed side 1967-09-03 (or 03-SEP-1967). I don't remeber the exactly time but it was in the night. (in the 'big' cities like Stockholm & Gothenburg all trafic was forbidden, exept busses and taxis, during the whole weekend.) The day was a Sunday and everything was prepared in before. Before the day we was told to follow the yellow lines on the road and after it was the white one that matters. The signs with arrows on was prepared with a 'left mode' label that was torn off that night to reveal the new right mode arrow. The year after Iceland also changed. About cars: Before the H-day (H as in ""Hoegertrafik"". ""hoeger"" is Swedish and stands for 'right') practically all cars already had their steering wheels on the left side. Even the imported cars from UK had the wheel on 'the right side'. At last we have cars with the wheels on the right side. :-) More contries that uses the left side is: Japan Tanzania (I think) New Zeeland How about South Africa? BTW. Some sais that the left side is the right side because Ivanhoe and other knights meet at the left when they fight in tournaments. :-) ...deleted lines... Kent Gabrin CelsiusTech Systems ! My thinking is not as great as S-175 88 Jaerfaella Sweden ! Oliver Berendinus Bumble /Will Try KEGA@Celsiustech.se ! Company sold again. Former name was: NobelTech " 4273,3,"From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee) Subject: Re: Tape Backup Question Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In article <1993Apr15.195810.26648@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes: >Hello folks! > >I have an Archive XL5580 (internal QIC-80) tape drive, which is pretty >comparable to the Colorado Jumbo 250. Since I have two floppy drives in >my system, I'm using a small card (not accelerated) made by Archive to >attach my tape drive as a third floppy device. > >The problem: Although the DOS-based QICstream software works just fine, >both the Norton and Central Point backup programs for Windows fail unless >I switch the machine to non-turbo speed (I'm using a 486DX/33 EISA). Since >the DOS software works, it can't be a hardware problem, can it? Has anyone >seen similar problems? Any solutions? Thanks in advance. Yeah. Sounds typical. Windows makes all sorts of extra demands on hardware, and therefore your machine can't keep up with things. Ever notice how when acessing the floppies in Windows, everything else slows to a crawl? I imagine your backup and evertyhing else that is running fights for CPU time, and sometimes the backup program loses. Be glad. I can't even run in medium speed with CP backup on my machine, supposedly because I have a SCSI machine which places extra demands on the data bus. don " 4274,5,"From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Subject: Re: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and SPARCstation 10 keyboard Organization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: isolar.tujunga.ca.us In article <1r1q5g$cv4@genesis.ait.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes: >In article D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk writes: >> Environment: Sun SPARC 10, SunOs 4.1.3. X11R5 patch level 23. My X >>process is started by xdm. > >Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup. >(US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though. ... >> ii) When I open an Xterm on the Sparc 10, not all of the keys are recognised >> and some keys on the keyboard are not sending the correct characters. > >Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. >All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: >The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. >Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed >characters in an xterm to get passed.) > >Anyone have a fix for the last two? I don't know anything about a ""sunkbd"" patch, but I use the following .Xmodmap file (run from .xinitrc via ""xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap"", of course) for my Type-5 UNIX keyboard: (It's a bit ""brute force"", however.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ! ! Sun Type-5 UNIX keyboard remappings ! ! This remaps the arrow keys properly ! ! By default, the arrow keys on the keypad (Shift-8 = Up, Shift-4 = Left, ! Shift-6 = Right, and Shift-2 = Down) work, but the arrow keys are not ! assigned to any keysym ! keycode 27 = Up keycode 31 = Left keycode 34 = Down keycode 35 = Right ! ! Now we want the Back Space key to emit the ""Delete"" keysym ! keycode 50 = Delete ! ! Other random mappings that aren't on by default ! ! SysRq/Print Screen key keycode 29 = SunSys_Req Print ! Break/Pause key keycode 28 = Break Pause ! Alt Graph key keycode 20 = Mode_switch ! PageUp key keycode 103 = Prior ! PageDown key keycode 130 = Next ! Insert key keycode 51 = Insert ! ! Home, End keys = ??? ! ! Open Look Functions ! ! Stop key (SunStop keysym == Cancel) keycode 8 = SunStop ! Again key (SunAgain == Redo) keycode 10 = SunAgain ! Props key keycode 32 = SunProps ! Undo key (SunUndo == Undo) keycode 33 = SunUndo ! Front key keycode 56 = SunFront ! Copy key keycode 58 = SunCopy ! Open key keycode 79 = SunOpen ! Paste key keycode 80 = SunPaste ! Find key (SunFind == Find) keycode 102 = SunFind ! Cut key keycode 104 = SunCut -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle " 4275,6,"From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld) Subject: Klipsch KG1 speakers Like New - $200 + shipping Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: na Lines: 10 One pair of kg1's in Oak finish with black grilles. Includes original packaging. $200 + shipping Firm. -- Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light, 940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right, Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown. N5QXR | -Jackson Brown " 4276,7,"From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 37 Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker): > > Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) > Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road) Oh, sure -- sorry, but the absence of a cupholder is not gonna discourage anyone from eating/drinking in the car; let's just put one in anyway, so at least they don't have the further distraction of trying not to spill it. Furthermore, you are obviously not a smoker; on a cold day, it takes a certain skill to toss a butt out of a cracked window without having it wind-deflect into the back seat. Also, just 'cause some smokers use the window, doesn't mean all of us do. This reminds me of *one* pleasant feature in the otherwise ergonomically-hellish interior of the Alfa Romeo Milano: you could ash your cigarette without even removing your hand from the wheel; the 'tray was *right*there*. > Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. > Any gold trim. These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion in the way. Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a ""Cadillac"" Cimarron, with all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% ___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and* | | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos |_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling | | | | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either). |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig? " 4277,12,"From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo.... Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 38 In article <1qih53$9ho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes: > My friend has a nice Alpine car stereo, and it only has 2 channels, > but one of them does not work. It does not put out any current or voltage > at all, is that channel therefore blown? I then shut the radio off and > ran continuity into the two speaker ouputs of the channel, and it charged > and discharged so I know the wires just aint bad.... This probably only tells you that the DC blocking capacitor that's in series between the one-chip, single-ended audio amp and the speaker terminal is there. > any Ideas? Open it up and look for the power amp ""ICs"". They'll be fairly obvious. Replace the one connected to the dead output. > also, > how would I locate where the signal of the radio/tape unit is BEFORE it > gets amplified, because then couldn't I hook up RCA outputs to that signal > so then he could just use a little amplifier? Well, one thing you should do is poke around the terminals of the power amp chips. Use a probe with a 10M resistor (like a scope probe) connected to the input of a small audio amp w/speaker. If you find line-level input to both chips, one of the chips is bad and can probably replaced pretty easily. If you want to pick off a near-line-level signal, suitable for feeding to an outboard amp, the outer legs of the volume control pot will often be good enough. This is *before* the volume control (and usually before the tone and balance controls too). If you take off from the center and ground legs of the volume pot, this will be after the volume control (but again, probably before the other controls). If the unit is a modern type with an electronic volume control chip, you should probably forget the whole thing. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 " 4278,4,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Distribution: usa Lines: 36 dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ... >I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for >crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the >following (from 1st to 6th): > 486 68040 > 386 68030 > 286 68020 040 486 030 386 020 286 >While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: > 68060 > Pentium > PowerPC 060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC somewhere in the vicinity. >And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the >overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: > 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz No. Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed. Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and I/O speed. As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed. If you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory every 20ns. Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs. And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock speed as is the 68030. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 4279,1,"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: Hijaak Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 15 Haston, Donald Wayne (haston@utkvx.utk.edu) wrote: : Currently, I use a shareware program called Graphics Workshop. : What kinds of things will Hijaak do that these shareware programs : will not do? I also use Graphic Workshop and the only differences that I know of are that Hijaak has screen capture capabilities and acn convert to/from a couple of more file formats (don't know specifically which one). In the April 13 issue of PC Magazine they test the twelve best selling image capture/convert utilities, including Hijaak. TMC. (tmc@spartan.ac.brocku.ca) " 4280,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Lines: 16 |> |> So, Take you own advice and wuit you whining about |> flames. |> No brains and he can't spell either. .edu?? I hope you're not a student at Duke... you would be wasting your tuition. =================================================== = The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733 = = V65Sabre mbeaving@bnr.ca = = My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! = =================================================== " 4281,4,"From: v-cckch@microsoft.com (Kenneth Charlton) Subject: Re: ""Jump Starting"" a Mac II Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 5 Apple dealerships once had kits to replace the soldered in batteries with a battery holder. Real easy to install, but it does require some soldering. " 4282,4,"From: daves@xetron.com (Dave Steele) Subject: Whither QuickDraw Performance (across product line) Organization: Xetron Corp. Lines: 21 My company has developed an application for the Mac that emulates a chart recorder - virtual pen traces scroll smoothly across the screen. As we tested the application on a number of computers we discovered some surprising performance differences across products. The scroll performance of the IIsi and LCII was better than the IIfx. This led us to investigate Color Quickdraw performance across the Apple line. The results: The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the (drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison. Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the disparity in graphics/processor performance? Dave Steele (daves@xetron.com) (513)881-3330 Xetron Corp. 40 W. Crescentville Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45246 " 4283,12,"From: then@snakemail.hut.fi (Tomi H Engdahl) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit ~ Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 17 <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-11.hut.fi In-reply-to: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au's message of 7 Apr 1993 05:26:18 GMT In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes: >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 10V. >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. >On-hook = LED on >Off-hook = LED off. >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. Not recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when telephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it. -- Tomi.Engdahl@hut.fi ! LOWERY'S LAW: then@niksula.hut.fi ! ""If it jams - force it. If it breaks, ! it needed replacing anyway."" * This text is provided ""as is"" without any express or implied warranty * " 4284,14,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Into Infinity?(WAS:Re: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan?) In-Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 22:22:19 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 36 In <1qkn6rINNett@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: > In article <1993Apr15.170048.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: > > >This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United > >States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K... Later, they went > >on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. > > > >The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL > >airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to > >look at. Exactly. Some of the SPACE:1999 effects remain first-rate even today. > They recycled a lot of models and theme music for UFO. Some of the > concepts even showed up in SPACE: 1999. > Later on, the Andersons tried to shed their reputation as creators of some of the worst pseudo-scientific shows in TV history by flying ""Into Infinity."" This was a one-off thing done as part of BBC's ""educational SF"" series ""The Day After Tomorrow."" The Anderson episode dealt with a spaceship capable of reaching the speed of light (""lightship Altares""), the four-man crew eventually journeyed into a black hole and ended up on the far side of the galaxy (I think). I saw this as a 9-year-old back in 1976 and liked it very much, but then again I was a fan of SPACE:1999 so I guess I was easily satisfied in those days:-) --- Does anyone know if ""Into Infinity"" has been released on video? I have some SPACE:1999 shows on VHS and know that Thunderbirds etc. also are available in England. MARCU$ > > Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? > -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 4285,7,"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqtuiINNj5d Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then. " 4286,9,"From: z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Subject: ASTROS FOR REAL? Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Lines: 6 WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES??? THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE. THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! " 4287,8,"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) Subject: Re: Used Bikes, East vs. West Coasts Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 16 / hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) / 9:07 am Apr 14, 1993 / Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are always much higher than elsewhere in the state. GC ---------- Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton, Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a number of out-of-town papers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, 350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4288,4,"From: scott@silverbullet.cam.org (Jeff Scott) Subject: Re: NTSC and the Mac Lines: 24 X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version > Also, I am not interested in Quicktime. I would merely like to > use my Mac as a television from time to time. I have a nice > Sony 1430 monitor, and I would like to use it as a second TV > when my wife is watching sitcoms on our regular TV. > Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy a little fourteen inch colour tv? Just curious... > > George Micahels -- Jeff Scott Montreal, Que, Canada scott@silverbullet.cam.org " 4289,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Distribution: na Lines: 19 In article jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in >connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't >rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. >Anyone else know anything on this angle? If by that you mean anything on the GD approach, there was an article on it in a recent Avation Week. I don't remember the exact date but it was recent. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 4290,19,"From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker) Subject: Re: Christian Owned Organization list Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 In article <47749@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, shopper@ucsd.edu writes: > Does anyone have or know where I can find a list of > christian-owned corporations and companies? One that I know of > is WordPerfect. Naw, the owners of WordPerfect are Mormons, and by Tony Rose's and Robert Weiss' standards, Mormons aren't Christians. :-) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Internet: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker), Logan, Utah " 4291,7,"From: tomm@hank.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Organization: BoGART Graphics Development Lines: 27 In article neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) writes: >As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others >were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5 >north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our >windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the >overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and >left. >A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was >in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was >a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old >that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do? Execute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory, required attendendence by the rest of the inmates, as soon as possible after the incident and a quick sure trial. I am quite serious. Cause and effect. Nothing else will ever make a dent. >I don't think I'll over forget this story. >Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA. Me neither. -- Tom Mackey (206) 865-6575 tomm@voodoo.ca.boeing.com Boeing Computer Services ....uunet!bcstec!voodoo!tomm M/S 7K-20, P.O. Box 24346, Seattle, WA 98124-0346 " 4292,3,"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: Eric Bosco where are you? Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 4 Eric, send me your email address, I lost it! I've reconsidered! Kevin " 4293,13,"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Lines: 12 To: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn) AM> Having said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance AM> flavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places, AM> I order food without MSG. To me, MSG tastes just like a mixture of salt and sugar. I don't think that is the case with most people. What does it taste like to you? ... If wishes were horses, we'd all have to wear hip boots! * Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310/372-0987 32b (1:102/129.0) " 4294,5,"From: marc@pinet.aip.org (Marc Wiener) Subject: core dump from getcons Organization: American Institute of Physics Lines: 12 We are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif session under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000/240. An examintion of the core file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what this is all about? marc -- Marc Wiener | marc@aip.org American Institute of Physics | 500 Sunnyside Blvd. | Voice: (516)576-2329 Woodbury, NY 11797 | Fax: (516)349-7669 " 4295,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Broadcasters (was Jewish Baseball Players?) Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 33 In article ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes: > >Roger Lustig (roger@crux.Princeton.EDU) wrote: >> In article <1993Apr16.220309.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: >> >In article , Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) writes: >> >> For that matter, how many Gentleman of The Press Box have been Jewish? The >> >> only Jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is Steve Williams (?), who had >> >> a Phillies show on KYW in Philadelphia in the 80s. >> >Howard Cosell is one who comes to mind. >> Gee, d'ya think Len Berman's Jewish? > >How about Steve Stone of WGN who does the Cubs? We already got him under Pitchers, Overrated, Jewish. >or Tony Korhiezer and Shirly Povich (Maury's dad) of the Washington Post? Probably. Is SHirley P still alive? Just wondering. Roger >-Danny > > > > > > > " 4296,4,"From: mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1 Distribution: usa Lines: 27 In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote: >With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and >so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me: > >1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns >VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.) > 60ns 72 pin simms. >2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the >C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing >would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic >board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?) > 2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a 650. >Just wondering.... > Michael A. McGuire, :-) MCGUIRE@UTKVX.UTK.EDU UTCC - User Services " 4297,1,"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: MPEG Location Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 21 Alan Jackson (ajackson@cch.coventry.ac.uk) wrote: : Can anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or : Windows). : Thanks in advance. : -- : Alan M. Jackson Mail : ajackson@cch.cov.ac.uk : Liverpool Football Club - Simply The Best : ""You'll Never Walk Alone"" You can find a Windows MPEG viewer at wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/msdos/windows3 directory. -- TMC (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) " 4298,1,"From: add@sciences.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray) Subject: Need specs/info on Apple QuickTime Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: sciences.sdsu.edu Keywords: quicktime X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the specs, for QuickTime. Technical articles from magazines and references to books would be nice too. I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system. I can't do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present format. Thanks in advance. James D. Murray add@sciences.sdsu.edu " 4299,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 51 In article fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>Why didn't they release the children weeks ago? > >It would have been inconsistent behavior for them to have done so. > >Some people believe that there is more to life than the physical requirements. > >These folks believed that the generally-held standards of the surrounding >community (heck, most of the world) were morally wrong, and letting the >children be abandoned to this (godless/unbelieving) culture would be condeming >them to eternal loss and separation from God. > >By their standards, letting the children go would be abandoning them to a fate >literally worse than death. > >The FBI (and BATF and media) people working on the issue, I suspect, >just couldn't get their heads into a similar-enough (to say nothing of >identical) mode of thinking to realize what they were doing. > >Physically, there was no reason why the BD's shouldn't have given up and come >out a long time ago. > >From the point of view of the BD's, they were up against the wall and had nowhere >to go at all. > >They apparently really did love their kids too much to abandon them to a godless >bunch of outsiders...although the end result was horribly twisted. > >I didn't say the BD's were right, I just said that that's the way they perceived >it. > >Koresh was a nutcase, and a bunch of other people paid for that. > >And the FBI and BATF miscalculated and misunderstood what was going on from the >word go. Very likely possible. Reminds me of the movie ""The Rapture"". > >-- >------------------------------------------------------- >| Some things are too important not to give away | >| to everybody else and have none left for yourself. | >|------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----| -- " 4300,9,"From: bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) Subject: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh7a9 Organization: Bell Northern Research -- Dallas TX Lines: 26 In article , niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: |> |> Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant |> on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT |> of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive |> in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's |> ~.300 OBP in front of you... I'm pretty sure that Sandberg has done this at least once. (I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong.) RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: The team that scores more runs wins the game! --------------------------------------------- Flame Away -- John Bratt |> |> Gord Niguma |> (fav player: John Olerud) |> " 4301,12,"From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 42 Wayne Alan Martin writes: >Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear >Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal. >> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com >> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? >> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT >> >> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> >> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: >> >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that >> >this board would be most appropriate. >> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >> >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always >see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At >nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas >fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot >water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many >fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive >contamination. Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they usually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the way down to ambient. Some plants do cool the condensers with water, rather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about ""thermal pollution"" de-icing a river, said, ""Up here, we view heat as a resource"". Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers. The water used is purified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when the water boils. Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than cooling it, so the boiler water is recycled. John Nagle " 4302,0,"Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr5.024626.19942@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > >Peace, Bobby: Get this the hell out of your .sig until you 1) learn what it stands for and 2) really mean it. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 4303,3,"From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 & Windows problems!!! Summary: Users complain of service from Diamond. Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Austin Keywords: diamond video s3 windows Lines: 43 In article <1pifisINNhsr@dns1.NMSU.Edu> jdiers@dante.nmsu.edu (DIERS) writes: > >I own a Stealth 24 card from diamond. When using the 640X480x16.7mil win 3.1 >driver the card and driver work but are not very fast. ALL of the other >windows drivers have a number of bugs. Shadows remain when windows are >erased and text boxes are often unreadable. All attempts to get help from >Diamond have failed. I have called the Tech support and never been able >to get past the hold line (a toll call) in a reasonable time (ie 10min). >Leaving voice mail has not helped either. The BBS is a joke! It always >has too many people on to download anything. You cannot even get a file >listing (it considers that a download!). I have faxed the tech support group. >All this with no reponse. > >The bottom line is if you are looking for a fast card and want to use it >for windows, DO NOT get a Diamond product. Try another vendor, I wish I had. While others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the sentiments posted above. Though I have the original Stealth/VRAM, it is only ""relatively"" recent that the Windows drivers for this card have evolved to a point of decent performance. Note that there are STILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing, mis-drawn check boxes, etc. I believe the version I have is 2.01. If there's a more recent release, I'd appreciate if someone would drop me a note to let me know -- I haven't been able to get on their BBS lately to check again. Naturally, Diamond doesn't even bother notifying me of fixes/releases. Diamond was helpful when I finally reached the ""right"" person in curing some of my Windows' problems due to an address conflict. The conflicting addresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the Diamond/VRAM manual. I hope it has been corrected by now. The tech rep explained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses. I have not confirmed the validity of that statement. When I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some form of local bus), I'll seek a video solution from someone other than Diamond. Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter. " 4304,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: 74ACT??? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 86 In article <1qhrq9INNlri@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes: >OK, what's a quick rundown on all the 7400 series variations? We're >repairing something with a 74ACT00 on it and the question arises, ""well, >do i really need the ACT part?"" Flipping through Digi-Key I see >ALS, AS, C, HC, AC, ACQ, ACT, HCT, ACHT, HCTLS... Here's something I posted about this a few years ago. It's not fully up to date with all the new variations (some of which are just different manufacturer's synonyms): ------ In practical terms, ignoring the technological details, this is my view of the families (NB I am not a giant corporation, which influences my views on things like availability and backward compatibility): 74 The original. Speed good, power consumption fair. Effectively obsolete now; use 74LS or later, except for a *very* few oddball functions like 7407 which are hard to find in newer families. 74H Modification of 74 for higher speed, at the cost of higher power consumption. Very obsolete; use 74F. 74L Modification of 74 for lower power, at the cost of lower speed. Very obsolete; use CMOS. 74S Later modification of 74 for even higher speed, at some cost in power consumption. Effectively obsolete; use 74F. 74LS Combination of 74L and 74S, for speed comparable to 74 with lower power consumption. Best all-round TTL now, widest variety of devices. 74F Fast as blazes, power not too bad. The clear choice for high speed in TTL. Availability and prices generally good. 74AS Failed competitor to 74F, although a few 74AS parts do things that are hard to find in 74F and thus are still useful. 74ALS Possible replacement for 74LS. Generally souped up. Still fairly new, availability and prices possibly a problem. 74C Fairly old family, CMOS devices with TTL pinouts. Competed with 4000 series, not too successfully. Obsolete; use 4000 or newer CMOS 74 families. 4000 (Thrown in as the major non-74 non-ECL logic family.) The old CMOS family, still viable because of *very* wide range of devices, low power consumption, and wide range of supply voltages. Not fast. Very forgiving and easy to work with (beware static electricity, but that comment applies to many other modern logic families too). There are neat devices in this family that exist in no other. The clear choice when speed is not important. 74HC A new attempt at 74-pinout CMOS. Fast compared to old CMOS, power consumption often lower than TTL. Possibly a good choice for general-purpose logic, assuming availability and affordability. CMOS logic levels, *not* TTL ones. Beware very limited range of supply voltages compared to older CMOS, also major rise of power consumption at faster speeds. 74HCT 74HC with TTL logic levels. Much the same comments as 74HC. Read the fine print on things like power consumption -- TTL compatibility in CMOS involves some compromises. 10K (Thrown in for speed freaks.) The low end of ECL. Various sources claim that it is *easier* to work with than super-fast TTL for serious high-speed work. Less forgiving, though: read and follow the rules or it won't work. Availability to hobbyists limited, can be expensive. 100K (For real speed freaks.) Hot ECL. Harder to handle than 10K, and inconvenient packages. Much more useful datasheets, however. As for compatibility between families: the 74 families (except 74C and 74HC) are all more or less logic-level compatible, but how many 74X devices you can drive from one 74Y output varies enormously with X and Y. You just have to read the specs and do the arithmetic. 74C and 74HC are compatible with the others with a bit of hassle. 4000 compatibility can be a bit of hassle or a lot of hassle depending on what supply voltage 4000 is using. 10K or 100K to anything else is considerable hassle. Me? I use 4000 and 74LS with a sprinkling of 74F. 74HC[T] and 10K are interesting but I haven't used either significantly yet. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 4305,1,"From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Alias phone number wanted Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 9 What is the phone number for Alias? A toll-free number is preferred, if available. Thanks -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. " 4306,6,"From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe) Subject: REPOST: Tape Drives (4mm, 8mm) for sale. Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA Lines: 18 Acorn Software, Inc. has 3 tape drives (currently used on a VMS system) for sale. These are all SCSI tape drives and are in working condition. WangDat 1300 4mm $500.00 WangDat 2600 4mm (compression) $650.00 Exabyte 8200 8mm $650.00 Plus shipping and COD. Certified checks only, please. These units are sold as is and without warrantee. Contact me if you're interested. -- Dick Munroe Internet: munroe@dmc.com Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc. UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe 267 Cox St. Office: (508) 568-1618 Hudson, Ma. FAX: (508) 562-1133 GET CONNECTED!!! Send mail to info@dmc.com to find out about DMConnection. " 4307,3,"From: Shane Cheney Wang Subject: conner 120mb problem Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu HI, Recently, when I run the Norton Disk surface test, I realize a slow down in harddisk accessing. At begining of the test, the harddisk will be checked at the speed that usually is. As the surface test scaned half way through my harddisk, a tremendous slow down occured. The expected time for operation will jump from 3 to 6 minutes. I try to use some of the harddisk tools to check if there is any physical damage to my harddisk and report always turn out to be none. The surface test only slow down for a certain section of the disk and turn back to the original speed after it gets over the section. I am wondering whether it is a harddisk problem or some other problems. Anyway help or comment will be appriciate.... Shane Cheney Wang " 4308,13,"From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) Subject: Re: What about sci.med.chemistry Article-I.D.: netcom.kaminskiC52n0s.2uA Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California Lines: 19 In julkunen@messi.uku.fi (Antero Julkunen) writes: >There is this newsgroup sci.med.physics and there has been quite a lot >discussion in this group about many chemical items e.g. prolactin >cholesterol, TSH etc. Should there also be a newsgroup sci.med.chemistry? It's got potential. Instead of *.chemistry, how about splitting the classification into *.biochemistry (which are probably the topics you're thinking of) and *.pharmaceutical (which otherwise might end up in *.(bio)chemistry)? (This is separate from the issue of whether there is sufficient potential news volume to support either or both groups.) I'll add 'em to my medical/health newsgroup wish list (which I'm looking forward to posting and discussing -- but not for another 10 days or so). Pete " 4309,9,"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: } In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: } >In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes: } >>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes: } >> } >>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? } >> } >>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above } >>average year in the last 5. } > } >Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can } >count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a } >bad finish last year :-). } > } >(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said } >Morris was a better signing than Viola?) } } Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their } fingers. oooooo. cheap shot. :^) } Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his } future. who cares? he had two of them before he came to Toronto; and if the Jays had signed Viola instead of Morris, it would have been Frank who won 20 and got the ring. and he would be on his way to 20 this year, too. } Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best } signing. your logic is curious, and spurious. there is no reason to believe that Viola wouldn't have won as many games had *he* signed with Toronto. when you compare their stupid W-L records, be sure to compare their team's offensive averages too. now, looking at anything like the Morris-Viola sweepstakes a year later is basically hindsight. but there were plenty of reasons why it should have been apparent that Viola was the better pitcher, based on previous recent years and also based on age (Frank is almost 5 years younger! how many knew that?). people got caught up in the '91 World Series, and then on Morris' 21 wins last year. wins are the stupidest, most misleading statistic in baseball, far worse than RBI or R. that he won 21 just means that the Jays got him a lot of runs. the only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying to get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice afterwards, but what should we have expected they would say? } And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't } even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. if this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares? -*- charles " 4310,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: |> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES |> > |> |> Ermenistan kasiniyor... |> |> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets |> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. |> |> Esin. Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. " 4311,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Militello update Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: usa Lines: 25 In article <93602@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes: > >HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who've been knocking my prediction of Baltimore. Um. How many games have the Orioles won? >You flooded my mailbox with cries of ""Militello's good, Militello's good."" He is, or will be. >Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first >outing. He's not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? Please don't tell >me you're relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the >*fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. No, currently there's no room for him in the rotation. Key is having a Most Impressive April. Abbott is pitching well. Perez is back. Wickman has pitched his way into the rotation, and is holding his spot with an outstanding performance his last time out. And Kamieniecki isn't doing too poorly himself. If the Yankees find themselves in need of a starter, Militello will get another chance. Until then, he'll have to wait in line. -Valentine " 4312,7,"Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute Distribution: na From: Subject: Van step... Van Accessory Help Lines: 13 Hello Netters, I would like to find out information about a device that is used on vans and trucks. This device is a step that hooks onto the tire and folds up for storage. I've seen this device on TNN's Shady Tree Mechanic. I would like to know if it is a good product and I would also like the price and address of where I can purchase this product. Thanks, George Chan Email: syst8145@ryevm.ryerson.ca " 4313,3,"From: buckel@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (bernhard buckel) Subject: Re: HELP! MY HARD DRIVE ID MESSED! Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 42 Dave (david@c-cat.UUCP) wrote: : vazzag@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Gregory Anthony Vazzana) writes: : {> : {> Howdy, : {> : {> The other day I was using Norton's SpeedDisk to optimize my Seagate(125MB) h : {> problem persisted. I backed up all essential data and decided to reformat : {> my hard drive. When I attempted this it got to the 279th clylinder 8th : {> head and gave me an error message saying that it ""Could not find the sector"" : {> I have tried everything I can think of. Now I can't even access my hard driv : {> to write information to it. I tried to boot up with my MS-DOS disks but MS-D : {> tries to reformat my hard drive and gets 29% of the way through to say ""Error : {> formatting hard drive. Press f3 to exit"" I tried to scan my hard drive : {> for viruses but I can;t access it and I get a message (When I try to do a dir : {> saying ""Error INT 24"" Can anyone Help me? I have no idea what to do. : {> : {> Thanks in advance for any help! : {> : {> Greg : try a bios level format via the debug command. : -G=xxxx:5 where xxxx is the Hex address of the hd controller bios : location. : if this will not work, a last resort would be to take a large magnet : to the hard disk, but this has to be done properly or you will cause : or could cause more damage than has been done already. : disclaimer: I am not responsible for your actions by directly applying : a large magnet to your hard disk. : if done correctly the magnet trick will wipe out everything on the : hard disk _COMPLETELY_ and a low level BIOS format might succeed : -David : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com : (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 4314,2,"From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) Subject: Re: Permanent Swap File Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. Lines: 26 In article <1qlja7$i6b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) writes: >> >When I first setup windows using the self load mode It grabbed about >20 megs of swap file space, my 120 meg HD was nearly empty at that time. >I deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded, now my HD is nearly full >and windows just took 4 megs. One of the rules for a permanent swap file is that it must be contiguous (non-fragmented) space. I suspect that is more responsible for the difference than the amount of free disk, in your case. >I have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your >permanent swap file the same size as your regular RAM size. I have 4 megs >of RAM and windows took 4 meg perm swap file. Works very well. >In fact with my available HD space, about 20 megs it won't let me make >the swap file any bigger. >You should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs I think >that is what you said your RAM was. It depends on what you are running. We had to increase our swap file (I think it is now 20MB) when some applications couldn't run without *everything* else closed. -- Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP " 4315,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: More on limiting libertarians Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 100 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <18APR199320091677@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... >> > >Okay, let me try to explain this. > >When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, >one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover >all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. >I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, >the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, >combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would >make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision >with respect to specific regulations. I'm afraid that I've lost the thread here. I didn't suggest that all government regulations be subject to referenda. So I don't follow the comments above. >> >> >:Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is >:not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and >:licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent >:tasks. > >I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that >[] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in >fact? I mean that an ideology that treats all government regulation as equally undesirable and seeks to abolish all regulations is unlikely to draw support among more than a miniscule portion of the electorate. Furthermore, I am suggesting that such a plan is not feasible in an industrial society because the weight of litigation and/or misery it would produce would effectively crush productive effort. > > >:Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as >:generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. >:(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to >:be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending >:that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) > >You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence >of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt >with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to >the state are the coersive ones. No, I'm not surprised. I just think it's interesting that on one hand libertarians assume a limited government can be decreed, yet on the other posit an entire government made up of people who carry guns. (I realize that many libertarians assume that such a government will be counterbalanced by a fully armed citizenry, but it is worth noting that widespread civilian ownership of guns does not necessarily prevent the establishment of totalitarian government, e.g. Iraq.) > >> >:Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries >:frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" >:mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds >:that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. > >Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more >likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. >In the unlikely >event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: >The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered >""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is >so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously >dispute this? Yup, sure do. But since I also support the constitutional requirement that the government provide for the general welfare (Article I section 8), I'm willing to justify such programs on that basis. > > > I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring >under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably >intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. >I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be >ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree >with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? Well, in the first place, I don't support a ""socialized economic system."" I think within limits that capitalism is a fine idea. But it is not the case that ""any third party...is...as likely to be ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller."" There are multitudes of examples where such a statement is demonstrably false. Regulation of stock market transactions that provide a reasonable basis for buyers to avoid fraud is only one example. jsh >Mr. Grinch -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 4316,7,"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.143853.11641 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr6.035020.16730@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >miles, a rare screw up by Honda. >Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take >the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR. > The CR purchase would be the Ford Probe GT. john -- John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ " 4317,2,"From: David A. Fuess Subject: MathCad 4.0 vs NDW 2.2 Organization: UC LLNL Lines: 23 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov I just got off the phone with Mathsoft technical service. They are now admitting a problem of unknown nature with Maple and Norton Desktop for Windows. They have no clue at this time and are collecting configuration information on the systems which exhibit the problem. Anyone having problems loading the Maple solver in MathCad 4.0 under NDW shoud call technical support at 617-577-1017. They made no schedule promices, but are actively working on the problem. In the meantime, the workaround is to provide a configuration selection in autoexec.bat to use PROGMAN (yuk, pew) whenever you plan to use the Maple solver and NDW otherwise. I am using Norton BE to place a little menu on the screen with a 5 second timeout to auto boot NDW. +---------------------------------+----------------------+ | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess | | _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS | | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 | | _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 | +-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+ " 4318,8,"From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly) Subject: MGNOC ADDRESS? Article-I.D.: usenet.1prsuk$hvl Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance! T.K. -- " 4319,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA ) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes: > I can't see these people standing calmly around while they burned to > death. Sorry. I just can't see them choosing a death as horrible as > this. The story doesn't wash. It'll take some convincing to get me > to believe it. The FBI said today that Koresh had earlier intended > to strap himself with explosives, come over to the FBI agents and > detonate, but lost his nerve. He lost his nerve for a quick, clean > death but not to roasted alive? Sorry, don't believe it, even if he > was nutty as a fruitcake. On Ted Koppel last night, the ubiquitous Australian woman claimed that Koresh trained the women (years ago) how to commit suicide by swallowing cyanide or by putting a gun in their mouth. With cyanide on hand, why choose to roast yourself? There are too many unanswered questions here. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 4320,5,"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 38 In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: > > >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the > >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and > >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of > >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. > > Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about > $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to > redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups > pertaining to Motif has been high. > > >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial > >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using > >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using > >the Motif widget sets). > > I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif > by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX > platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. > I think you will find that the active Linux and 386BSD communities are populated by enthusiasts who would object to paying *any* money for software. Otherwise, they would probably have gone for a commercial Unix. An important factor in the Linux community is that source code is always available (this is probably similar in the 386BSD community, however, I'm not really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely adopted. Regards, Richard Gooch.... " 4321,9,From: gwittt@alleg.edu (Tom Gwitt) Subject: Re: Mel Hall Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes: > > Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't > with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? > He is in Japan playing baseball. -- Tom Gwitt gwittt@alleg.edu 4322,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Anti-Zionism is Racism Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 14 B8HA000 writes: >In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought >Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct >the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily >(the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article >saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. >Steve Just felt it was important to add four letters that Steve left out of his Subject: header. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 4323,11,"From: prm@ecn.purdue.edu (Philip R. Moyer) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr17.032022.14021@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: |> |> Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless |> you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent |> escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is |> the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about |> those two names) |> |> In that case the Prince of Wales has nothing to worry about on this |> system. I must respectfully disagree with this assertion, Brad. The government is notoriously sloppy with physical, communications, and information security. They can't keep their computers safe, and they're ""trying"". Read ""DEA is Not Adequately Protecting National Security Information"" [GAO/IMTEC 92-31] for an excellent example of what I'm talking about. Private sector organizations tend to be even more lax in their security measures. I believe that the escrow organizations will be penetrated by foreign intelligence services within months, if not weeks, of their selection. Private organizations that lack the resources of a full-fleged intelligence service will take longer - perhaps on the order of one to two years. Nonetheless, the penetrations will take place, without question. Philip R. Moyer ECN Software Staff Engineering Computer Network Voice: 317-494-3648 prm@ecn.purdue.edu Fax: 317-494-6440 " 4324,5,"From: baldwa@antietam.adobe.com (Sanjay Baldwa) Subject: X support for pressure sensitive tablet Reply-To: baldwa@adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA, USA Distribution: comp Lines: 7 Are there any vendors supporting pressure sensitive tablet/pen with X? I will appreciate any pointers. Thanks, Sanjay -- baldwa@adobe.com or ..!decwrl!adobe!baldwa " 4325,2,"From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 General Questions Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 30 In article <1495@heimdall.sdrc.com> crgruen@sony1.sdrc.com (robert gruen) writes: >1. I received Amish Utilities for Windows when I purchased Turbo C++ for > Windows. What is Amish Utilities? What can it do for me? All I > received was the disk, no docs. Maybe it milks the dogcow? 9-) >2. I am running Windows in 1024x768x256 mode using a driver that was supplied > with my SVGA card. The card is a BOCA SVGA card with 1Meg RAM, and I think > it has an ET4000 chip in it (at least thats what some program tells me). > The driver is an old driver that was written for Windows 3.1, it seems to > work fine, but would I gain any benefits by switching to a newer driver? If > so which one should I use and where could I find it? Lots of drivers are available off ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/ drivers/video. I've tried two: et4cview.zip and et4turbo.zip. These give you a choice of turbo and non-turbo drivers. The turbo drivers were FAST but caused mouse problems with my machine (which has a Diamond Speedstar card). I finally got turbo drivers (wndSpeed by Binar) from Diamond. Amazing. Blazingly fast (for a non-accelerated card) and best of all - no GPF's for a month or so... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! " 4326,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Article #60579 (60704 is last): From: r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu (Rithea Hong) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Date: Sat Apr 17 07:13:05 1993 A friend of mine got a Mag of the above model and it had some distrotion, so he sent it back. Unfortunately, the replacement also was distorted. I would bet it's a common problem. The best advice I've heard when buying monnitors is to actually look at the specific one you will buy (as opposed to model) since monitor manufacturing even from ""Big Names"" still tends to produce alot of monitors with visible defects. Rithea Hong (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) End of File, Press RETURN to quit Just to name two at the top of my list of crap monitor makers are, SONY & MAGNAVOX...Sam -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 4327,5,"From: egan@phony25.cc.utah.edu (Egan F. Ford) Subject: Need Help with key bindings Reply-To: egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu Organization: Call Business Systems Lines: 21 I need help binding some value to the HOME and END keys on my keyboard. I have an rs/6000 w/ aix3.2.3ext running X11R5pl19 mit dist. I'm using a PC running eXceed for windows as my xterminal. The HOME and END keys do not send a value, and my application needs them to be defined. I used this in my Xdefaults to define the keys: varnet*VT100.Translations: #override \ Home: string(""\033[8~"") \n\ End: string(""\033[7~"") Then I xterm -name varnet. This works perfect, however the 7 and the 1 key on my keypad are also defined as \033[8~ and \033[7~. Any ideas? Help please. Thanks. -- Egan F. Ford egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu " 4328,11,"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: na Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 15 In <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: >In article a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes: >>I wouldn't trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but >>I'm not certain he would be told. >""I am not a crook."" President Richard M. Nixon > ^^^^^^^^^ THIS President. (And I could easily be wrong.) -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. " 4329,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie mask poll Article-I.D.: hydra.93158 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 31 Here is an update on the Goalie mask poll... First, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before. Also, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team they play for, though. So here are the up-to-date results so far: Player Team Pts Votes ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ed Belfour Chicago 8 4 Andy Moog Boston 8 3 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 5 2 4. Brian Hayward San Jose 4 2 5. Grant Fuhr Buffalo 3 1 Ron Hextall Quebec 3 1 7. Clint Malarchuk Buffalo 2 1 Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 2 1 9. John Casey Minnesota 1 1 Rick Wamsley Toronto (retired) 1 1 Thanks to all that voted, and keep 'em coming! -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 4330,0," zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!odin!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> (reference line trimmed) |> |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> [...] |> |> >There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the |> >assertion that there was some ""objective"" morality, and as you admit |> >here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is |> >""objectively"" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself |> >requires an appeal to morality. |> |> Yes. |> |> >Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are |> >asking what is the ""goal""? What do you mean by ""goal?"". Are you |> >suggesting that there is some ""objective"" ""goal"" out there somewhere, |> >and we form our morals to achieve it? |> |> Well, for example, the goal of ""natural"" morality is the survival and |> propogation of the species. I got just this far. What do you mean by ""goal""? I hope you don't mean to imply that evolution has a conscious ""goal"". jon. " 4331,19,"From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org Subject: By the sword... Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Deuteronmy 20:13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, bith man and women, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 10:32 And the Lord delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah " 4332,16,"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) Subject: Raid justification was: Blast them next time Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Organization: The Instrumentality X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 27 In article <1r1chu$h22@pandora.sdsu.edu> chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes: > Initial assault on the ""compound"" ( more like a wooden farm house if > it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who > started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the > ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it > properly! I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after ""months of investigation"" for their raid. I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused of stockpiling a bunch of ""9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15 and M16 assault rifles"". Imagine that--they had ammunition! They also had aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn furniture...) The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?) Months of investigation! For this 80+ people died! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 4333,18,"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati Organization: HSH Associates Lines: 26 In article <2671@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes: > shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes: > : > : Oh, and BTW, its William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. > : > : Regards, > : Steve. > > > No, it's not- and I really fail to understand the use of that name > as an insult. Do you feel that being adopted implies some sort of > moral failing? Yes, it is -- you could look it up. And spare us the thin-skinned indignation, please; what's sauce for four years of using George Herbert Walker Bush and J. Danforth Quayle as an insult is sauce for William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. Do you feel that calling a President by his full name implies some sort of disrespect? Hint: this is a rhetorical question. ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. " 4334,18,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Red Army Fraction (RAF) communique Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 33 As quoted from by c115184@cs.UAlberta.CA (Merth Eric William): > > >In article , cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes: > > >|>As quoted from by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker): > >|> > >|>> Isn't it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate > >|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism? > >|> > >|>Gee Phil, I'd remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >|>net. I'd also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed > ^^^ > > Damn. It isn't Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all > those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd > innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. ('cause > _everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even > if it has to get you killed first]). > What a fool I've been. What you fail to see is that in order to make a nightmarish stew of psychosis and repression, you have to break a few eggs. You the evil productive elements in society, are those eggs.... Damn the spirit, full speed ahead.... -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva " 4335,2,"From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 33 Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes: >>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace >>for DOS at the same time. >Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG >will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui. >I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well. Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it uses NDIS. My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work along. I read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just around the corner. Anybody have any news about this? Regards, Richard PS: I possibly caused a dupe with this message. If this message was spread twice outside of Munich, please send me a short note. It would help me debug my news application. -- +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de | | EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 | | Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 | | Munich, Germany | | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ " 4336,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Wholly Babble (Was Re: free moral agency) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 10 In article <2944159064.5.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: (Deletion) >Of course, there is also the >Book of the SubGenius and that whole collection of writings as well. Does someone know a FTP site with it? Benedikt " 4337,6,"From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall) Subject: Re: TEst Instruments for sale Keywords: test,instruments,meter,power,supply,oscilloscope,storage display Article-I.D.: rpi.wss5lqm Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu The following is no longer for sale, it has been sold. -Textronics Type 611 Storage Display (screen dim. 6.5""x8.5) -Textronics TM503 base with three PG502 250MHz pulse generators. -Textronics 6289A Adj. DC power supply 0-40volts 0-1.5 amps -Keithley Instruments Picoammeter -(3) Analogic 3 1/2 Digit panal mount voltmeters ************************************************************** Still for sale, -Hewlett Packard 180A Oscilloscope with 180AA four channel 50 MHz vertical Amplifier and 1822A time base and delay generator. Best offer over $300 -(1) Analogic 4 1/2 Digit panal mount voltmeter, powered by 5 VDC, Model AN2574 1X3P, Same Dimensions as above, ----$55 +shipping---- Reasonable offers will be accepted. Please respond by e-mail or phone. E-mail halle@rpi.edu phone (518)276-7382 " 4338,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr10.160929.696@galki.toppoint.de> ulrich@galki.toppoint.de writes: > According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF ""version number"" > (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its ""deep philosophical > significance"". > Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, > Is this actually how they picked the number 42? I'm sure it is, and I am not amused. Every time I read that part of the TIFF spec, it infuriates me- and I'm none too happy about the complexity of the spec anyway- because I think their ""arbitrary but carefully chosen number"" is neither. Additionally, I find their choice of 4 bytes to begin a file with meaningless of themselves- why not just use the letters ""TIFF""? (And no, I don't think they should have bothered to support both word orders either- and I've found that many TIFF readers actually don't.) ab " 4339,9,"From: r4938585@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (Doug Roberts) Subject: Re: NL vs. AL? Organization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: joplin.biosci.arizona.edu Keywords: Game length Doug Roberts - Ken Hill for NL MVP!! Let's go 'Spos " 4340,14,"From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off In-Reply-To: prb@access.digex.com's message of 6 Apr 1993 14:06:57 -0400 Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. <1psgs1$so4@access.digex.net> Lines: 38 On 6 Apr 1993 14:06:57 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said: Pat> In article Pat> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >successful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both >fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.) > Pat> Gee, I thought the X-15 was Cable controlled. Didn't one of them Pat> have a total electrical failure in flight? Was there machanical Pat> backup systems? All reaction-controlled aircraft are fly-by-wire, at least the RCS part is. On the X-15 the aerodynamic control surfaces (elevator, rudder, etc) were conventionally controlled (pushrods and cables) but the RCS jets were fly-by-wire. |The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using |them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other |hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance |to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base |can't do. Pat> What do you mean? Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh Pat> joints? Navy aircraft have folding or sweeping wings, in order to save space on the hangar deck. The F-14 wings sweep, all the rest fold the wingtips up at a joint. Air Force planes don't have folding wings, since the Air Force has lots of room. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot " 4341,1,"From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) Subject: HDF readers/viewers Organization: Australian National University, Canberra Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35 Originator: markus@octavia G'day all, Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/ display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage approaches and minimalist documentation :-) Part of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and crop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from which I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped part into another format for viewing/animation. Otherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S/W for HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping/etc. This is for Suns with SunOS 4.1.2. Any help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly ! Cheers, Markus -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747] -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747] " 4342,6,"Subject: *** New Computer Books for Sale *** From: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 15 Hi! I have several computer related books for sale. They are all new, unused and hence in excellent condition. The subjects include Programming Languages (C, C++, LISP, PROLOG), Operating Systems (UNIX, DOS), Windows, X-Windows, LAN, AI, and Expert Systems. If you are interested, pls. contact me at: parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu Thanks. -M. Parikh " 4343,11,"From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Open Communications Forum Lines: 37 Since the AT&T wiretap chip is scheduled to be distributed internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Thus Distribution: world. ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes: >However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who >cares about the clipper chip? Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to somebody who has a wiretap on their phone? I find the ""call thru your computer"" ideas may reflect this attitude. Ideas that are of, by, and for hackers, and don't help anybody in the real world, aren't going to do anybody much good, including ourselves where voice phones are concerned. We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world. What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist stupidity. jhart@agora.rain.com " 4344,9,"From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) Subject: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986. Organization: Julio Machado Candlelight Vigil Society Distribution: na Lines: 50 Was going over some videos last night..... Studying 1986 and 1992 videotapes of Jose Canseco proved to be very interesting. And enlightening. Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco, circa June 1986. 1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds, not gain more bulk. 2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed. 3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is released. Downing could do this without significant head movement - Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes, they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard to make adjustments in your swing. What would I do, if I were Jose? Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch, so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing. First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance, and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move the bathead more freely. Second, drop 20 pounds. Cut out the weight work. Third, relax the wrists. Will cost some power, but until I can find my 1988 stroke, concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up, rolling the wrists through the strike zone, and hit line drives. His strength is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of the park. If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years. If not, he could still hit 600+ HR. -- * Gary Huckabay * ""You think that's loud enough, a$$hole?"" * * ""Movie Rights * ""Well, if you're having trouble hearing it, sir, * * available thru * I'd be happy to turn it up for you. I didn't * * Ted Frank."" * know that many people your age liked King's X."" * " 4345,18,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Drug Use Up At Younger Age Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Keywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants Lines: 62 The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up At Younger Age"" by Mike Snider, p. 1A). Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders - usually 13 - and they're using more LSD and inhalants like glue and air fresheners, says a new survey. The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds ""statistically significant increases"" in eighth-graders' use of many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants. ""We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters adolescence,"" says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and Human Services. But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long decline. The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the following in the 30 days before they were polled: * 8th-graders - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%; cocaine 0.7%. * 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%; cocaine 0.7%. * 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%; cocaine 1.3%. Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants declined over the year before. Not so with LSD. * 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24% over 1991. * Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6% tried it in the last year. Reducing drug use among students ""requires a different kind of strategy"" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part of an overall illness prevention plan. The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders disapprove of them. ""It's scary,"" Shalala says. ""Dealers are focusing on younger, more vulnerable kids."" Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me " 4346,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr ites: >[] > > ""Can I ask. Have any of you been at the speed of 130? It's a > rush."" > >So is cocaine. What's your point? > > -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) >Don't know about the cocaine, but.... -- " 4347,8,"From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Distribution: rec Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > >Mike Terry No. At least, that's what I told the NASA rent-a-cop that stopped me because he swore I was ""lifting it up."" He didn't completely buy the part about water in the carbs, either. Phil Stone NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us '83 R80ST ""Motorcycles OK"" " 4348,17,"From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU WILL MISS, Apr 15 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >In article <1qun1aINNik5@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes: >>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >> >> >>> >>> Yigal et al, sue ADL >>> >> >>Why do you title this ""News you will miss"" ? >> >>There have been at least three front-page stories on it in the L.A. Times. >> >>I wouldn't exactly call that a media cover-up. >This may come as a surprise to you but there are a few americans who do not >read the LA Times. Is this the same Monolithic, Centrally Controlled Media that you're always talking about? Do you mean to tell me that the LA Times is the ONLY major paper to buck the Media Spiking Division's activities? >The Defamation League has done a first class job of damage control..in what >little is left of the world outside of LA. Assumption: When one major newspaper prints three or more articles on the front page regarding subject matter that is not strictly local, this is likely to be considered an open story, and not a coverup. Let's hear a roll call here. Anyone outside of the LA area seen articles on this? >js ___Samuel___ Mossad Special Agent ID314159 Media Spiking & Mind Control Division Los Angeles Offices (therefore, evidently, incompetent) -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. " 4349,14,"From: sugarman@ra.cs.umb.edu (Steven R. Garman) Subject: WANTED - Optical Shaft Encoders for Telescope Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.cs.umb.edu Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston Lines: 23 [Also posted in misc.forsale.wanted,misc.wanted,ne.wanted,ny.wanted,nj.wanted] WANTED: Optical Shaft Encoders Quantity 2 Single-ended Incremental Needed to encode the movements of a 16"" Cassegrain telescope. The telescope is in the observatory of the Univ. of Mass. at Boston. The project is being managed by Mr. George Tucker, a graduate student at UMB. Please call him, or email/call me, if you have one or two of the specified type of encoder. Of course, due to our low funding level we are looking for a price that is sufficiently lower than that given for new encoders. :) George Tucker 617-965-3408 ME: -- sugarman@cs.umb.edu | 6172876077 univ | 6177313637 home | Standard Disclaimer Boston Massachusetts USA " 4350,14,From: rlennip4@mach1.wlu.ca (robert lennips 9209 U) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 2 Please get a REAL life. 4351,4,"From: cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd) Subject: ""SIMM Re-use"" NuBus board... Anyone seen one? Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: does anyone make this? does anyone know what I'm talking about? Keywords: SIMM NuBus board RAMDisk Hello, I remember running across an ad in the back of Mac[User|World] a few years ago, for a Nubus board that had umpteen SIMM slots, to be used to ""recycle your old SIMMs,"" when you upgraded memory. I don't remember who made this board, and I haven't seen it advertised in any of the latest Mac magazines. It mentioned that it included software to make the SIMMs on the board act like a RAM disk. As someone who has SIMMS he can't get rid of/use, but hates the waste, this sounds to me like a majorly good idea. Does anyone out there know what board/company I'm talking about? Are they still in business, or does anyone know where I can get a used one if they are no longer made? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me, to save net.bandwidth. Thanks, Cap. -- | Internet: cptnerd@digex.com | AOL: CptNerd | Compuserve: 70714,105 | CONSILIO MANUQUE OTIUM CUM DIGNITATE CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM EST PARTURIENT MONTES NASCETUR RIDICULUS MUS " 4352,4,"From: Peter Hansen Subject: Re: Help: 2 internal HDs in Mac II? X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 11:16:56 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 Organization: BNR X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr1.054820.3942@siemens.co.at> Kurt Netzer, kurt@siemens.co.at writes: >Is it possible to install a 2nd 3 1/2"" 100 MB HD in a Mac II with a >5 1/4"" 40 MB Qunatum HD? >Can i us a 50 pin cable with 3 connectors for the internal motherboard >SCSI-Connector and the 2 SCSI-HD Connectors. The first HD is'nt terminated >the second will be. >Whats about the power supply. Where can i connect a 3 1/2"" AMP-Connector >to supply my 3 1/2"" HD? It is very possible to connect another internal hard disk in any macintosh if you can find the space to put it. I have a IIsi that came with a Quantum 80 meg drive. When I ran into space problems, I slapped in another 40 meg quantum that I had sitting on a shelf. Here is what I did. First off, I was concerned about space. Since both drives are Quantum quarter height drives, I finally decided that the logical place for them was stacked one upon the other. Fine, they fit snugly. (I have not had a problem with heat yet, and these drives have been running together for over two months. The next problem was connecting the drive. If you have a spare internal hard disk power cable as I did, then half of your troubles are over. just splice in the extra cable so that you get one square motherboard connector and two hard disk power connectors. If you don't have a spare cable, you will have to buy the wires and connectors which can be found in any good electronics store for about $10. I would suggest properly soldering/heatshrinking the connections to reduce the possibility of shorts or bad connections. Next, you need a ribbon cable connection. Again, I had a spare hard disk ribbon cable, and I wanted to be careful in case this didn't word so what I did was purchase a crimp on 50 pin cable connector that gave me another male connector in the middle of my spare cable. The part cost $10 again, and is easily attached with any good wood vice. The theory behind using a crimp on connector is that if this doesn't work, my original cable is not damaged, and I can go back to the original setup. Having done all that, I couldn't be bothered to check the dev notes for power consumption so I plugged it in and it works like a charm to this day. In a mac II, everything should work the same. Be careful with the ID's of the drive, and ensure that the terminating resistors on both drives are intact. I did not try this without the terminating resistors but it seemed logical that if I am splitting the SCSI chain, that the signal should be terminated at all the ends. Let me know if you have any more questions. Peter Hansen Bell Northern Research pgmoffc@BNR.ca " 4353,1,"From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Marc T. Kaufman (kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote: > -> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? > At this moment the King, who had been for some time busily writing in > his note-book, called out ""Silence!"" and read out from his book > ""Rule Forty-two. All persons more than a mile high to leave the court."" > Everybody looked at Alice. > ""I'm not a mile high,"" said Alice. > ""You are,"" said the King. > ""Nearly two miles high,"" added the queen. > ""Well, I sha'n't go, at any rate,"" said Alice; ""besides, that's not > a regular rule: you invented it just now."" > ""It's the oldest rule in the book,"" said the King. > ""Then it ought to be Number One,"" said Alice. Does anybody have a collection of occurances of 42? (before and after The Guide). If not, I would like to receive any odd bits you might know. postings to alt.fan.douglas.adams. -- _______________________________ / _ L* / _ / . / _ /_ ""One thing is for sure: The sheep / _) /()(/(/)//)) /_ ()(/_) / / Is NOT a creature of the earth."" / \_)~ (/ Joachim@kih.no / / /_______________________________/ / -The back-masking on 'Haaden II' /_______________________________/ from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp. " 4354,1,"From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? In-Reply-To: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com's message of 6 Apr 93 18:18:30 GMT Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University <1993Apr6.144520.2190@unocal.com> Lines: 11 >>>>> ""Archer"" == Archer (Bad Cop) Surly (archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com) Archer> How about ""Interactive Sex with Madonna""? or ""Sexium"" for short. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin " 4355,19,"From: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) Subject: Re: RFD: misc.taoism Reply-To: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) Organization: Never Had It, Never Will Lines: 8 Sunlight shining off of the ocean. -- Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall, Aleph null bottles of beer! Take one down, pass it around ... Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall! " 4356,4,"From: Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Greene) Subject: SIMM vs DRAM Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/204.6 - Not Even Odd, Forest Hills NY Lines: 9 Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 256K DRAM chip and a 256K SIMM? I need the former (I think) to add memory to my Laserwriter LS. Someone is offering to sell me 256K SIMMS he removed from an SE, but I have a feeling this may not be the correct form of memory. The sockets in the Laserwriter look like they want the spidery-shaped chips (there are 4 sockets, each with, as I recall, 20 pins, arranged in two rows of 10). Believe it or not, I've never actually seen a SIMM. Help appreciated. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Arthur Greene - Internet: Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org " 4357,18,"From: riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) Subject: Losers (Was Re: Stop putting down white het males.) Keywords: racism, sexism, mysogyny Organization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD Lines: 152 Nntp-Posting-Host: descartes.tec.army.mil In article <1993Apr2.180839.14305@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: >In <1993Apr2.064804.29008@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes: > > >> I don't know what you as a white male did. I do know what white males, >>as a class, have done. > >> They've invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, printing with >>movable type, photography, computers, the electric guitar. anasthesia, rocket >>powered space flight, the computer, electricity, the telephone, TV, motion >>pictures, penecillin(sp), telescopes, nylon, and the X-Ray machine. > >Two glaring errors here. First, white males don't do anything as a ""class."" >INDIVIDUAL white males invented those things, which means nothing to white >males as a whole. Second, you neglected to mention Charles Manson, Hitler, >McCarthy, Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy, and a whole slew of individuals who >have done horrible, evil things. If white males can take the credit for >our fellow white males' boons, we must also take the blame for our >fellows' blights. I claim we deserve neither credit nor blame for these >things. > > >> We are told, by U.S. congresswoman Barbara Jordan, that we are biologically >>incapable of compassion. > >She's full of shit. > >> We are told by Susan Brownmiller that we're all rapists and that's ALL >>we are. > >She's full of shit. > >> We're told by Catherine Comins that a false rape charge is actually good >>for us. > >She's full of shit. > >> We are told by the feminist lawyers that we are not to be trusted with >>children. > >They're full of shit. > >> We are told, by Newsweek magazine, that we are ""poor sports"" if we complain. > >Newsweek is full of shit. > >The point, ladies and gents? Michael is not entirely correct in his theory >that because members of our race and gender made great advances, the race >and gender as a whole deserve more respect than they receive. White males >DO deserve to be treated better than they are being treated, but not for >that reason. And the male-bashers he quoted are repugnant hate-mongers, no >better than the chauvinists they despise. So no one's right, as usual. > >White males need to wake up and realize that they're being unfair, yes. But >everyone else needs to wake up and realize that being unfair right back is >disgusting, racist and sexist. > >Why can't we learn to treat everyone fairly, without generalizing? What >stupidity gene makes this so difficult? ""I'd like to buy the world a >clue..."" The word that is missing in this whole discourse is not the ""B"" word, or the ""H"" word, or even the ""N"" or ""W"" words. It is the ""L"" word - LOSER !! That's right. When we boil all the crap out of this argument, it is all about WINNING and LOSING, and nothing else. Let me explain. Remember the eighties ? No excuses. Nobody who can handle a mail buffer can claim they are ""too young"" to remember Ronald Reagan - yet. The eighties were about ""How America Learned to Win Once Again"". Then (wouldn't you know), we won so well that there was nothing left to win. No Cold War to endure. No nuclear holocaust. No more worlds to conquer (We forgot about outer space long ago). The kind of overwhelming, no holds barred success that killed Alexander the Great. Yes, there were a few ""little"" problems along the way - stock market meltdown here, an S&L bailout there, a few revolts and crazy Middle Eastern dictators to contend with, but as Tacitus would tell ya', the God Augustus never had it so good. In the meantime, there is guilt for winning, maybe a fear that one doesn't deserve one's bounty - or success. So there is a ""kinder and gentler type of politician these days, Bill Clinton, affirmative action, and lots of discourse about people who ""don't get it"". For those of us in the winning business, this kind of talk is mildly irritating, but there is still no suggestion of losing. But what do we find now ? To put it mildy, the stereotype of our ""white male"" non-winner is Woody Hayes in the Rose Bowl, punching out photojournalists when those California fruits and nuts steal another one with a ""Hail Mary"" pass in the Fourth Quarter. (The whole idea behind 'three yards and a cloud of dust' is to wear your opponent down until he collapses in the final period) But Woody just used his fists - Uzzies seem to be the weapon of choice these days. Who is D-FENS, anyway ? The answer is as plain as the horn rims on your face. The guy is MICHAEL DOUGLAS, posing as a LOSER. This is known as controversial casting. But that baggy short-sleeved white shirt sure does look natural on Mike doesn't it. Gordon Gekko will never look the same. (Though Woody always dressed that way.) Did we really expect Gekko to take it easy and enjoy that kind of wardrobe, without putting up a fuss ? What we are starting to lose sight of is, that bashing D-FENS is the same game as bashing that poor African American slug that Clint Eastwood used to blow away all the time. As that arch-WASP (male gender) George C. Scott declaimed, ""Americans traditionally LOVE TO WIN. They love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."" And so on. The political implications are simple. If, as many socialists - and Democrats - do, you consider society a finite pie to a apportioned in some ""equitable"" way, then you have to worry about who is a winner and who is a loser to tell whose side you are on. That could be black women today, Asian homosexuals tommorrow, and yes indeed, white men some yet to be determined day when the balance of the pie has finally swung against that (39%) minority. Or you can just blow the whole thing off and say - as do most conservatives and all the libertarians - and act is if you didn't care who's winning and who's losing. In some cases, you might say something about make sure the game is fair (equality of opportunity, not of condition). In the latter case, you might be able to identify yourself as a ""neoconservative"" or a ""neoliberal"" depending on how much you want to limit the pot. Either way you go, the way of the Winner is no longer the way to be popular - at least after you graduate from High School (but you'll still be popular at High School reunions). But it beats being a Nerd, as I would imagine Michael Douglas would now agree, and in the long run, it is the only way to go. (Even in Hollywood, which treats Losers worse than any other place in America except for New York and Washington, D.C. - and even in Columbus, Ohio, which produced Alex Keaton, but no champion football teams in the eighties and the first quarter of the nineties) I'd like to see more Winners in this society, regardless of race, gender, religious preference, and sexual orientation. Maybe we should even let a few more of them be white men !! (We should DEFINITELY let the Buckeyes win the Rose Bowl someday) Bill R. -- ""The only proposals in the Senate that I ""My opinions do not represent have seen fit to mention are particularly those of my employer or praiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones. any government agency."" It seems to me that the historian's foremost - Bill Riggs duty is to ensure that virtue is remembered, and to deter evil words and deeds with the fear of posterity's damnation."" - Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65 " 4358,4,"Distribution: world From: Jim_Chow@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: EdgeWays! Subject: Re: ThunderScan - got a spare ImageWriter cover? Lines: 21 >Anyone have the replacement cover needed to use ThunderScan >with an ImageWriter I? Or can I fool the printer into >working without its own cover by sticking a suitable >magnet into its cover-sensor? >Thanks for any help, >Ralph The magnet trick will work. Be careful when you apply the white tape to the rubber carriage roller, it tells the scanner where the edge is and it can come off. Jim ***************************** EdgeWays! InfoLink ***************************** name@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca GUI BBS: (604) 984-2777 * Voice: (604) 984-6860 * The views expressed here are of the individual author only. * [From FirstClass(tm) by PostalUnion Lite(tm) from North Vancouver, BC Canada] ****************************************************************************** " 4359,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 56 In article <1r466c$an3@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >Agreed. Remember, I don't even think of Clipper as encryption in any real >sense--if I did, I'd probably be a lot more annoyed about it. I agree with this assessment. Furthermore, its promotion as providing greater protection than bare voice is quite true, as far as it goes. However, the only way for it to fulfill its stated goal of letting LE wiretap ""terrorists and drug dealers"" is to restrict stronger techniques. Wiretap targets presently use strong encryption, weak encryption, or (the vast majority) no encryption. The latter two classes can be tapped. With weak encryption in every phone, the no-encryption class is merged into the weak-encryption class. Will the introduction of Clipper cause targets presently enjoying strong privacy to give up on it? that is, to rely for privacy on a system expressly designed to deny it to people like them? I doubt it. The mere introduction of this scheme will give the government *nothing*. The stated goal of preventing the degradation of wiretapping capabilities can be fulfilled by restriction of domestic cryptography, and only by this restriction. ""Clipper"" appears to be no more than a sop, given to the public to mute any complaints. We would find this a grossly inadequate tradeoff, but I fear the public at large will not care. I hate to even mention gun control, but most people seem to think that an `assault weapon' (as the NYT uses the word) is some sort of automatic weapon, .50 caliber maybe. Who wants to have such a thing legal? Well, people know even less about cryptology; I suspect that strong cryptography could easily be labeled ""too much secrecy for law-abiding citizens to need"". >That's not for Clinton (or anyone under him) to say, though. Only the >federal and supreme courts can say anything about the constitutionality. >Anything the administration or any governmental agency says is opinion at >best. What they say is opinion, but what they do is what matters, and will continue unless overturned. And the courts are reluctant to annul law or regulation, going to some length to decide cases on other grounds. Furthermore, Congress can get away with quite a bit. They could levy a burdensome tax; this would place enforcement in the hands of the BATF, who as we've seen you really don't want on your case. They could invoke the Commerce Clause; this seems most likely. This clause will get you anywhere these days. The 18th was required because the Supreme Court ruled a prohibitory statute unconstitutional. In 1970 Congress prohibited many drugs, with a textual nod to the Commerce Clause. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 still stands. I think the government could get away with it. >Amanda Walker PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 4360,11,"From: mathew Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02 Lines: 9 bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes: > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians > buy Apple II's because of security concerns. That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things! mathew " 4361,3,"From: Richard.Solomon@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Richard Solomon) Subject: Jumper settings for OMTI 8610 ESDI controller???? Organization: NCR Microelectronics Lines: 12 Subject says it all :) I'm looking for the jumper settings for an SMS OMTI 8610 AT-bus ESDI controller card. Thanks in advance, Richard Richard Solomon NCR Microelectronics 1635 Aeroplaza Drive Richard.Solomon@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM Colorado Springs, CO 80916 ...!uunet!ncrcom!ncr-mpd!Richard.Solomon (719) 573-3227 " 4362,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Although I realize that principle is not one of your strongest points, I would still like to know why do do not ask any question of this sort about the Arab countries. If you want to continue this think tank charade of yours, your fixation on Israel must stop. You might have to start asking the same sort of questions of Arab countries as well. You realize it would not work, as the Arab countries' treatment of Jews over the last several decades is so bad that your fixation on Israel would begin to look like the biased attack that it is. Everyone in this group recognizes that your stupid 'Center for Policy Research' is nothing more than a fancy name for some bigot who hates Israel. Why don't you try being honest about your hatred of Israel? I have heard that your family once lived in Israel, but the members of your family could not cut the competition there. Is this true about your family? Is this true about you? Is this actually not about Israel, but is really a personal vendetta? Why are you not the least bit objective about Israel? Do you think that the name of your phony-baloney center hides your bias in the least? Get a clue, Mr. Davidsson. Haven't you realized yet that when you post such stupidity in this group, you are going to incur answers from people who are armed with the truth? Haven't you realized that a piece of selective data here and a piece there does not make up a truth? Haven't you realized that you are in over your head? The people who read this group are not as stupid as you would hope or need them to be. This is not the place for such pseudo-analysis. You will be continually ripped to shreds, until you start to show some regard for objectivity. Or you can continue to show what an anti-Israel zealot you are, trying to disguise your bias behind a pompous name like the 'Center for Policy Research.' You ought to know that you are a laughing stock, your 'Center' is considered a joke, and until you either go away, or make at least some attempt to be objective, you will have a place of honor among the clowns, bigots, and idiots of Usenet. " 4363,17,"From: zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) Subject: RE:Legality of the jewish purchase Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.141.0.106 Reply-To: zbib@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Lines: 67 (Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes > Sam Zbib Writes >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about >>anti-trust in the business world. >> >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. >> >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of >>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). >> >Right now, I'm just going to address this point. >When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land, >It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because, >for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin), >living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. >The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of >it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no >provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting >them by selling the land right out from under them. >They are to blame, not the Jews. > > Amir: Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews? Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine (if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would be motivated to sell, regardless of the price. It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down? All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The question was whether the intent behind the purchase was aimed at controlling the public assets (land, infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court. Sam My opinions are my own and no one else's " 4364,6,"From: David Ruggiero Subject: Bare 386/25 Micronics system - $495 Originator: osiris@halcyon.com Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero) Organization: [none - why fight entropy?] Distribution: na Lines: 35 ""Bare"" means what it says. You get a case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor). *Everything* else is yours to add as you like. The case/power supply: - Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors. - Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal). The motherboard: - US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU - 64kb SRAM cache - 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $150 alone) - Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone) - Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1 - Latest version Phoenix BIOS Please do not post/email saying ""but I can get a Taiwanese SuperClone 386/90 for only $9.95 including a free toaster!"". I am *certain* you can find a cheaper Brand X board without even breaking a sweat. *New* Micronics CPUs command a several-hundred dollar premium because they are US-made, use high-quality components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.) Price: $495 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details or for any questions. Thanks! -- David Ruggiero (jdavid@halcyon.com) Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People " 4365,2,"From: angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? X-Advert: Mail/News feeds available -- email postmaster for details. Organization: Radio Free Nyongwa -- public usenet in Montreal: (514) 284-6693 Lines: 32 In article leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: >In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >>In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >>> >>>Dear friend, >>> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. >> >>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >>as orthogonal is CISC. >> >>-- > >Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone >is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. >Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, >but that's another story...) > >bye! > Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell them all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not even on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2) about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND reordered its instruction itself so " 4366,13,"From: solmstead@PFC.Forestry.CA (Sherry Olmstead) Subject: Re: Heat Shock Proteins Nntp-Posting-Host: pfc.pfc.forestry.ca Reply-To: solmstead@PFC.Forestry.CA Organization: Forestry Canada (Pacific Forestry Centre) Lines: 25 rousseaua@immunex.com writes about heat shock proteins (HSP's) and DNA. I hate to be derogatory, but in this case I think it's warranted. HSP's are part of the cellular response to stress. The only reason they are called 'heat shock proteins' is because they were first demonstrated using heat shock. Dead tissue (ie. meat) is not going to produce ANY protein- because it's DEAD! Also, who cares if the DNA you are ingesting is mutated!? It will be completely digested in your stomach, which is about pH 2. Some of you worry WAY too much. Eat a healthy, balanced diet and relax. My advice is, if you don't know what you are talking about, it is better to keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt about your ignorance. Don't speculate, or at least get some concrete information before you do! Sherry Olmstead Biochemist SHERRY OLMSTEAD Title: Lab Technician Forestry Canada Phone: (604) 363-0600 Victoria, B.C. Internet: SOLMSTEAD@A1.PFC.Forestry.CA " 4367,15,"From: nigel.allen@canrem.com (Nigel Allen) Subject: library of congress to host dead sea scroll symposium april 21-22 Lines: 96 Library of Congress to Host Dead Sea Scroll Symposium April 21-22 To: National and Assignment desks, Daybook Editor Contact: John Sullivan, 202-707-9216, or Lucy Suddreth, 202-707-9191 both of the Library of Congress WASHINGTON, April 19 -- A symposium on the Dead Sea Scrolls will be held at the Library of Congress on Wednesday, April 21, and Thursday, April 22. The two-day program, cosponsored by the library and Baltimore Hebrew University, with additional support from the Project Judaica Foundation, will be held in the library's Mumford Room, sixth floor, Madison Building. Seating is limited, and admission to any session of the symposium must be requested in writing (see Note A). The symposium will be held one week before the public opening of a major exhibition, ""Scrolls from the Dead Sea: The Ancient Library of Qumran and Modern Scholarship,"" that opens at the Library of Congress on April 29. On view will be fragmentary scrolls and archaeological artifacts excavated at Qumran, on loan from the Israel Antiquities Authority. Approximately 50 items from Library of Congress special collections will augment these materials. The exhibition, on view in the Madison Gallery, through Aug. 1, is made possible by a generous gift from the Project Judaica Foundation of Washington, D.C. The Dead Sea Scrolls have been the focus of public and scholarly interest since 1947, when they were discovered in the desert 13 miles east of Jerusalem. The symposium will explore the origin and meaning of the scrolls and current scholarship. Scholars from diverse academic backgrounds and religious affiliations, will offer their disparate views, ensuring a lively discussion. The symposium schedule includes opening remarks on April 21, at 2 p.m., by Librarian of Congress James H. Billington, and by Dr. Norma Furst, president, Baltimore Hebrew University. Co-chairing the symposium are Joseph Baumgarten, professor of Rabbinic Literature and Institutions, Baltimore Hebrew University and Michael Grunberger, head, Hebraic Section, Library of Congress. Geza Vermes, professor emeritus of Jewish studies, Oxford University, will give the keynote address on the current state of scroll research, focusing on where we stand today. On the second day, the closing address will be given by Shmaryahu Talmon, who will propose a research agenda, picking up the theme of how the Qumran studies might proceed. On Wednesday, April 21, other speakers will include: -- Eugene Ulrich, professor of Hebrew Scriptures, University of Notre Dame and chief editor, Biblical Scrolls from Qumran, on ""The Bible at Qumran;"" -- Michael Stone, National Endowment for the Humanities distinguished visiting professor of religious studies, University of Richmond, on ""The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Pseudepigrapha."" -- From 5 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. a special preview of the exhibition will be given to symposium participants and guests. On Thursday, April 22, beginning at 9 a.m., speakers will include: -- Magen Broshi, curator, shrine of the Book, Israel Museum, Jerusalem, on ""Qumran: The Archaeological Evidence;"" -- P. Kyle McCarter, Albright professor of Biblical and ancient near Eastern studies, The Johns Hopkins University, on ""The Copper Scroll;"" -- Lawrence H. Schiffman, professor of Hebrew and Judaic studies, New York University, on ""The Dead Sea Scrolls and the History of Judaism;"" and -- James VanderKam, professor of theology, University of Notre Dame, on ""Messianism in the Scrolls and in Early Christianity."" The Thursday afternoon sessions, at 1:30 p.m., include: -- Devorah Dimant, associate professor of Bible and Ancient Jewish Thought, University of Haifa, on ""Qumran Manuscripts: Library of a Jewish Community;"" -- Norman Golb, Rosenberger professor of Jewish history and civilization, Oriental Institute, University of Chicago, on ""The Current Status of the Jerusalem Origin of the Scrolls;"" -- Shmaryahu Talmon, J.L. Magnas professor emeritus of Biblical studies, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, on ""The Essential 'Commune of the Renewed Covenant': How Should Qumran Studies Proceed?"" will close the symposium. There will be ample time for question and answer periods at the end of each session. Also on Wednesday, April 21, at 11 a.m.: The Library of Congress and The Israel Antiquities Authority will hold a lecture by Esther Boyd-Alkalay, consulting conservator, Israel Antiquities Authority, on ""Preserving the Dead Sea Scrolls"" in the Mumford Room, LM-649, James Madison Memorial Building, The Library of Congress, 101 Independence Ave., S.E., Washington, D.C. ------ NOTE A: For more information about admission to the symposium, please contact, in writing, Dr. Michael Grunberger, head, Hebraic Section, African and Middle Eastern Division, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540. -30- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 4368,13,"From: x92lee22@gw.wmich.edu Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 33 In article , annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin) writes: > In marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes: > >>> >>>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that >>>the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not >>>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - >>>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant >>>Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? > > MSG is mono sodium glutamate, a fairly straight forward compound. If it is > pure, the source should not be a problem. Your comment suggests that > impurities may be the cause. > My experience of MSG effects (as part of a double blind study) was that the > pure stuff caused me some rather severe effects. > >>I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on >>our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are >>there other sources of MSG? > > Soya bean, fermented cheeses, mushrooms all contain MSG. > >>I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However, >>I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each >>causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat >>and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant. > > The symptoms I had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance > followed by the arms then the legs, headache, lethargy and unable to keep > awake. I think it may well affect people differently. Well, I think msg is made from a kind of plant call ""tapioca"" and not those staff you mentiond above. " 4369,19,"From: mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu Lines: 14 In article <7912@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: >[Many good points deleted. Anyone who missed it should see the original.] >Lists like this that just toss a bunch of quotes together to >make a bible verse salad just don't cut it. Those of us who >want to argue against inerrancy should find this sort of thing >as embarassing as the fundies should find Josh McDowell. True, except that I've known few fundies who had enough sense to be embarrassed by Josh McDowell. (Okay, maybe a cheap shot. But I'm in that kind of mood.) Bill Mayne " 4370,15,"From: randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) Subject: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: Univ. Texas-Houston Allied Health Sci Lines: 18 I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. Suppose they are unable to get before the altar right at the current time because of purely logistical reasons beyond their control. What do you think about this? Post or e-mail me with general responses. If you need clarification as to what I am asking, please e-mail. Thanks and God bless! ============================================ Robert M. Anderson III randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu " 4371,8,"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Safe driving prcatices... Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT Organization: Computervision Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: >In article rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes: >>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: > >> >>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car > >The only thing between you and ""them"" is space. >Keep as much as possible. Take this one step further ... Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least getting into his area of vision. This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I ""try"" to do is look in the rear view and then over my shoulder. And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie: he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right). Ride with four eyes... Rich Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" " 4372,2,"From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) Subject: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Organization: National Library of Medicine Lines: 10 Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered if anyone else had seen this. post or email --Don Lindbergh dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov " 4373,8,"From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) Subject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH..... Organization: Encore Computer Corp. In-Reply-To: ericm@microunity.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:22:22 GMT <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes: Watch out. Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means that they were or are looking to steal the bike. In my case, I had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an apartment carport and not visible from the street. They evidently decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building. A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops. I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the things that is really good about BMW bikes. From all accounts I've heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto Guzzis and other relative ""exotics"" since there isn't a large demand for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. -- Jonathan E. Polito Internet: jpolito@encore.com Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC 27511 USA 919-481-3730/voice 919-481-3868/FAX " 4374,12,"From: mabbot@stellenbos.csir.co.za (Mike Abbot) Subject: High level language compilers for uControllers ? Article-I.D.: stellenb.mabbot.30.0 Organization: CSIR Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.64.23.16 X-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official X-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries. X-Disclaimer: ** So don't freak out at _us_ about anything ** Howdy chaps Has anybody got any pointers to good C, Pascal, etc compilers for microcontrollers, shareware or otherwise ? My specific need is for 8051 C, but if the responses are many and varied I will post a summary. Cheers Mike Mike Abbott mabbot@stellenbos.csir.co.za Cape Town mabbot@fred.csir.co.za South Africa " 4375,1,"Subject: POV file constructor for Unix/X11 From: Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (chumphre) Reply-To: chumphre@comp.vuw.ac.nz Distribution: world Organization: Victoria University of Wellington. New Zealand NNTP-Posting-Host: regent.comp.vuw.ac.nz Lines: 13 Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Later'ish Craig -- |\/\/\/\/\/| | ___ ___ | ""I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, |/ \/ \| you can't prove anything."" _ccc_c_#_|__#_ccc_c_____chumphre@comp.vuw.ac.nz_______________________________ " 4376,2,"From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: Clark University Lines: 52 In a previous article, alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) wrote: >Two-part question: > >1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS? > >2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product > from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is? > >That is it - > >Thanks a heap. > >- Alan Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be economical for most users. Speaking of overhead, it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of RAM. It iwll run with 12, but that's like running OS/2 2.0 with 4 megs. And that's just to run it. Also, I have heard that the system files take up 30-50 Megs, and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig! The SKD is distributed on CD-ROM. Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). (Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't scorn the concept.) Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out til '96. With luck, I'll be proven wrong! =) Rob |------------------------------------------------------------| \ rmohns@vax.clarku.edu / _________\ /________ \ Rob Mohns / ================================================== Annoy Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself. ================================================== " 4377,11,"From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Lines: 19 Organization: Curtin University of Technology In article , johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: > brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: >>And of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and >>since the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the >>magic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and >>then can present the warrant to the key escrow house. Lets hope. Years ago a Telecom tech refused to tap a line unless he saw the warrant. The managment type who told him to do it fired him. The appeal against the dismissal was lost. > Who makes them forget and destroy all copies of the key once they've > decided you're not a criminal today? Just curious. Good luck. ~Paul " 4378,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: mlb.c Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 8 Could some kind soul out there e-mail me the 411 on where I can find the mlb.c program? I'm interested in some road trips this year.... -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 4379,12,"From: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Heinbokel) Subject: LOOKING for AD PC-Board Reply-To: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik Lines: 41 This is for a friend of mine. Please send answers directly to him (E-Mail adress see below )! HIGHSPEED ANALOG-DIGITAL PC-BOARD Hello LAdies and Gentleman ! I am looking for a highspeed A/D PC-Board with a sampling rate above 250 MHz an a resolution of 8-bit. The sampling rate can be arranged by an interleave mode where the time equivalent sampling yields 2, 4 or 8 times higher sampling rate than the A/D-Converter uses in non interleave mode. The board must content an A/D-Converter similar to Analog Devices AD 9028 or AD 9038 or if available a faster on. If you a PC-Board (16-bit slot, ISA) with this specification or better, please send me an EMail hansch@cdc2.ikph.uni-hannover.dbp.de or a Telefax to: ++49 / 511 / 7629353 Thanks in advance for your help ! Sincerely Matthias Hansch IKPH, University of Hannover, Germany --- Andreas Heinbokel heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de *** ... all wisdom is print on t-shirts *** " 4380,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is >enough to do it if the vehicle exists. Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of course, they may be over-optimistic. You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications that would help pay for its development costs. I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 4381,12,"From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. Finberg) Subject: New England Ham - Electronic Fleamarket Dates ** 1 April update ** Keywords: Fleamarkets Swaps Ham Radio Computers Electronics Article-I.D.: senator-.1peffgINNarc Expires: 6 May 1993 Distribution: na Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 112 NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-5.mit.edu New England Area Major Flea Market *** DATES *** 1993 P 1 of 2 All events are Ham Radio/ Electronic related except ~_____~ ******************************************************************************* 1993 Contact Source ******************************************************************************* 3 April Upper Saddle River NJ CRRC 9-3 sell @8 Jack W2EHD 201 768 8360 D 4 April Southington CT SARA @HS $20@6:3 $10@8:3 $3@9 N1GCV 203 621 6191 F 17 April Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290 18 April Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F buy $2@9A sellers $10/sp@7A $8in adv $35 for season pass 3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October 18 April Webster MA ECARA @ Pt Breeze Rest $3 tables $10 Gary 203 974 2564 F 18 April Agawam MA HCRA @ Southwick Rec Ctr $3@9A Bob W1ZGP 203 653 0715 F 23,24,25 April Dayton OH adm $11 sell $30/50++ evenings 513 767 1107 F 2 May Yonkers NY @Lincoln HS Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A 7-8 May Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri WA1IVB sase 15 May N Smithfield RI RIFMRS @VFW Main St 8A Rick K1KYI 401 725 7507 16 May Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 16 May Pittsfield MA @Taconic HS Sell $5@7 Buy $2@8 Cliff W1SJV 413 743 3334 21-22-23 May Rochester NY ARRL-NY Conv @ Monroe FG Harold K2HC 800 724 8515 F 5 June S Burlington VT Mitch WB2JSJ 802 879 6589 6 June Newington CT @HS Flea Les KA1KRP 203 523 0453 12 June Bangor ME Pine St ARC @Hermon ES 146.34/94 8AM-$2 Roger 207 848 3846 20 June Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 17 July Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290 17 July Union ME @ Fairground $3@7AM State Conv Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL P 1 of 2 ******************************************************************************* Additions/ Corrections via Internet w1gsl@athena.mit.edu US Mail W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139 SASE for updated copy as issued. 1993 Contact Source ******************************************************************************* 18 July Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October 24 July Manchester NH NHARA @HI 8A$4 NE DC 300Ts (no TG) WB1HBB 603 432 6011 F 8 Aug White Planes NY WECAfest Sarah N2EYX 914 962 9666 D 8 Aug Wellseley MA WARS+BARS @Babson College Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 T 14 Aug St Albans ME @ Snow Mobile Club Hitch K1HHC 207 796 2282 15 Aug Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 29 Aug Fall River MA BCRA Tom WA1LBK 508 674 4163 T+ 11 Sept Windsor ME @ Fairground $3@7AM Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915 12 Sept Gaithersburg MD FAR @Mg Cty FG $5@6A- $7TG Nancy Drahim 703 691 0078 J 12 Sept S Dartmouth MA SE Mass ARA 8A- Dan N1HCV 508 933 0678 + 19 Sept Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 19 Sept Sandy Hook CT Candlewood ARA Harold KB1US A 25 Sept Greenbush ME WCSN/BARC @WCSN xmtr Ed Cockburn 207 732 4366 26 Sept Framingham MA @ HS $12@8 $5@9 $2@10 Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 F 26 Sept Yonkers NY Metro 70 ARC Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A 15,16 Oct Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri K1RQG 17 Oct Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 13 Nov Plymouth MA Mayflower RC @Mem Hall 9-3 sell@8 Jim NM1F 508 747 2224 14 Nov Branford CT SCARA @intrm sch Brad WA1TAS 203 265 9983 T ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL P 2 of 2 Source F= Flyer J= John Roberts list A= ARRL list WR NV 73 CQ QST = Mags T= tentative early info D= W1DL + = new info this month This list has been compiled from many sources. While we believe the info to be accurate the author can not be responsible for changes or errors. Check with the sponsoring organizations for more details. This list will be posted monthly to Usenet if additions have been made. Mailed copies are sent when additions are made. ******************************************************************************* Additions/ Corrections via Internet w1gsl@athena.mit.edu US Mail W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139 SASE for updated copy as issued. " 4382,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Thinking about heaven Lines: 20 James Sledd asks: 1. What is the nature of eternal life? 2. How can we as mortals locked into space-time conceive of it? 2a. If the best we can do is metaphor/analogy, then what is the best metaphor? C S Lewis's essay THE WEIGHT OF GLORY deals with this question. I recommend it enthusiastically. You might also read the chapter on ""Heaven"" in his book THE PROBLEM OF PAIN. He gives a fictional treatment in his book THE GREAT DIVORCE. I have found all of these very helpful. You might also be helped by the treatment in Dante's DIVINE COMEDY. Heaven occupies the last third of the poem, but I cannot imagine reading it other than from the beginning. I urge you to use the translation by Dorothy L Sayers, available from Penguin Paperbacks. Yours, James Kiefer " 4383,14,"From: u1452@penelope.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) Subject: End of the Space Age? Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: penelope.sdsc.edu We are not at the end of the Space Age, but only at the end of Its beginning. That space exploration is no longer a driver for technical innovation, or a focus of American cultural attention is certainly debatable; however, technical developments in other quarters will always be examined for possible applications in the space area and we can look forward to many innovations that might enhance the capabilities and lower the cost of future space operations. The Dream is Alive and Well. -Jeff Bytof member, technical staff Institute for Remote Exploration " 4384,3,"From: m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) Subject: VGA on atari monoitor ?? Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 11 Is it possible to connect a atari monochrome monitor to some kind of VGA card? If someone have done this please let me know how. Thanx __ __ _ _ l \ / l ___ ( \/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se l l l l l / _ \ \ / l l\_/l l( (_) l / \ Institutionen f|r teknisk databehandling l_l l_l \__l_l(_/\_) Uppsala Universitet " 4385,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 55 In article , dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: |> >>Can someone out there explain exactly what the 'trigger' |> >>feature found on oscilloscopes does? |> > |> { lots og good explanation deleted} |> Is it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital |> scopes. My school has some beauutful 100Mhz HP that are digital with |> all the bells and whistles, including soft-keys, which I think are a |> loveley touch. ( that is, software keys. ) You don't forget that you |> are dealing with a computer. Those scopes even with all their |> neatness, still make the ickyest looking waves. Lotsa features, but |> ugly output. And those are the best digitals I have ever seen. I've |> seen a lot of cheaper digitals and they look terrible. I think the hangup with digital scopes is that you have to know so much more about them and how they work on a scope-by-scope basis, and some of the functions are typically presented, in my opinion, in a counter-intuitive fashion (HP has made some strides in their 54600 series, IMO). Automatic setups are fine for simple, repetitive waveforms, but can give you some crazy results on more complex events where you need to understand how the scope is actually measuring/processing the event. For example, is the scope in ""equivalent time"" or in ""real time"" sampling mode (equivalent time being a mode where samples are built-up slowly by adding a delay to the trigger event each sweep)? What was the scope's actual sampling rate at the time? How is the data being massaged after capture but before display, etc. One common misconception is the speed of the scope. Is the HP scope you're using really a 100 MHz scope? Or is it a 20 MHz sample rate scope (~5 MHz single shot significance) whose front end including S/H can support 100 MHz waveforms (important for equivalent time sampling)? The 100 MHz input in this case really only helps you when your waveform is repetitive, or on a single sample, when you get lucky and hit a transient event during a sample time. So, there are a lot more variables in understanding how to get useful information from a digital scope. I prefer an analog scope for general use and the digital for events where I need storage for later analysis or comparison, when the event is within the capability of the scope. Now, for the price of true 100 MHz digital scopes to fall... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 4386,3,"From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) Subject: Re: difference between VLB and ISA/EISA Distribution: world Organization: myself Lines: 24 hurley@epcot.spdc.ti.com writes in article <1993Apr14.090534.6892@spdc.ti.com>: > > What about VLB and a 486dx50. Does the local bus still run at 33Mhz or does > it try to run at 50Mhz??? > > > Brian > > Hi, VLB is defined for 3 cards by 33MHz and 2 cards by 40MHz there are designs with 50MHz and 2 VLB-Slots. (s. C't 9.92, 10.92, 11.92) 50MHz and 2 Slots are realy difficult to design. Better OSs (OS/2 & iX) are able to handle more than 16MB of DRAM, if you use EISA-Bus. Has someone experience with VLB ?? I think of SCSI-VLB-Busmaster. The problem is the 16bit Floppy DMA controller, which is unable to reach more than 16MB. Joerg " 4387,3,"Subject: Re: DOS 6.0 From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (Wallace Venable) Organization: WVU College of Engineering Nntp-Posting-Host: 157.182.80.85 Lines: 10 >I know of two people who have horrer stories about the DOS 6.0. >That's 100% of the people I know with DOS 6.0. Both have >had to reformat their disks and start over. I used the standard installation program to put MS-DOS 6.0 on my machine with Stacker 3.0 already installed. No problems. I kept Stacker, rather than switch. I am very pleased with the memory I gained since I did not have a memory manager. I also like the multiple boot feature. " 4388,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Ellipse from Its Offset Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Keywords: ellipse Hi! Everyone, Since some people quickly solved the problem of determining a sphere from 4 points, I suddenly recalled a problem which is how to find the ellipse from its offset. For example, given 5 points on the offset, can you find the original ellipse analytically? I spent two months solving this problem by using analytical method last year, but I failed. Under the pressure, I had to use other method - nonlinear programming technique to deal with this problem approximately. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Please post here, let the others share our interests. Yeh USC " 4389,6,"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) Subject: COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO/FURNITURE needed as of 4/18 Lines: 60 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 60 Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items. If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me: EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu Phone (703)552-4381 USMail Michael Beck 1200 Progress Street #5500E Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc) ~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used) 1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used) 1 Macintosh computer 1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used) 1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used) 1 101 key-AT keyboard 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive 1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series 1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL 1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used) 1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386 1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive 2 17"" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital NON-COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 drum set mult. amps for a band 1 TV - 27"" or bigger, stereo 1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo 1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound capability 1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please 1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints " 4390,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: System file in /tmp Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article , lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi) writes: |> |> What is the directory .X11-unix for in /tmp? When I start |> x, it is created by the system. This directory wasn't created |> by root, and it contains an empty file (X0) that is owned by me. |> It's the Unix Domain Socket (local connection) to your XServer. Try to rm it :) -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 4391,12,"From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 44 sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes: >I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an >IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in >daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward >30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. >I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give >information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the >angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), >possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp >current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I >would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. >Has anyone done something like this? Yeesh, you WILL be nailing those IRLEDs. May I suggest getting your mitts on the Siemens SFH484-2 IRLED? This unit is designed to take some big current pulses if you can get your duty cycle down a bit. It will output nearly a watt (975 mW) with REAL short duty cycle times. (nice thing about the SFH484-2 is that it is CHEAP. I got mine for about 50 cents a piece, even though I had to buy 100 of them....) BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest, 6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power, mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a 1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals. If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the pertinent info. Now, as for the position detector, you might try ELTEC in Florida. Phone number listed in the 92/93 ETID is 904-253-5328. They seem like nice people. Their specialty is passive infrared detection devices, so they might be able to help you out. I'm curious about your applications if you don't mind saying. The device sounds like it could be useful in a lasertag game, although you'd need to up your carrier signal concept to 58.8 KHz...... Duane " 4392,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian-Nazi Collaboration During World War II. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 51 In article <2BC0D53B.20378@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >Is it possible to track down ""zuma"" and determine who/what/where ""seradr"" >is? Done. But did it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin? By the way, you still haven't corrected yourself. During World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1] ""Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."" Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian. ""...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors... Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian! I don't need your bias."" Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. [1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer: June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 4393,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 19 nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: >Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? >Mine lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what >I can tell, it looks like Apple welded it shut. You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2 seconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open much like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn at first but it is quite simple to open. >Also, does anyone know about installing FPUs in a Mac LC III? I've heard some >people saying it has fried the motherboard of the LC III. Well, if you don't match up the pins correctly you will have some problems. A close look at the socket should give you an idea of the proper orientation of the chip. -Hades " 4394,9,"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu In article <1qp1m9INNfjg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.050311.10098@news.yale.edu> (Sean Garrison) writes: >} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.] >at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game >is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily >standings and results here every day. Am I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering. I do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially for those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games in their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also, many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only available through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free of charge and has no copyright restrictions. >if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list >and use that. Remember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the rec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through private e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that branches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list grows by an average of 35 people a day. If people on USENET really don't want to see the postings I do to rec.sport.baseball on a daily basis, please just let me know. If the response is overwhelming against the posts, I won't do it anymore. Thanks for your time. Joseph Hernandez -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4395,15,"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) Subject: proof of resurection Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 44 I have a few minor problems with the article posted as proof of Christ's resurrection. First the scriptural quotations: This sort of reasoning is such that if you beleive you are justified, if not then your beleif is in vain, so you might as well beleive. Most of these quotations are of people who do beleive. People who would try to justify their own positions. Second the logical proof: >quoted text... > >From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) >Subject: WITNESS & PROOF OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION >Date: 11 Apr 93 05:01:19 GMT > >[much deleted] > > 4. In nearly 20 centuries, no body has ever been > produced to refute Jesus' assertion that He > *would indeed* rise from the dead. > > 5. The probability of being able to perpetrate such > a hoax successfully upon the entire world for > nearly 20 centuries is astronomically negative! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >...end quoted text The period of time that has elapsed from the event growing larger does not increase the odds that a hoax would be discovered. In fact the longer a hoax is perpetuated the stronger it becomes. Finally: There is no proof of the resurrection of Christ, except in our spirits communion with his, and the Father's. It is a matter of FAITH, belief without logical proof. Incedently one of the largest stumbling blocks for rational western man, myself included. I hope that this is taken in the spirit it was intended and not as a rejection of the resurrection's occurance. I beleive, but I wanted to point out the weakness of logical proofs. " 4396,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 37 [reply to Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince] >There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was cured of >CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are using it in the >treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you using accutane in the >treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome? Yes. >Have you used it for CFS? It seems to work equally well for CFS, another hint that these may be different facets of the same underlying process. >Have you gotten good results with it? Yes. The benefit is usually evident within a few days of starting it. Most of the patients for whom it has worked well continued low-dose amitriptyline, daily aerobic excersise, and a regular sleep schedule (current standard therapy). Because of the cost (usually > $150/mo., depending on dose) and potential for significant side effects like corneal injury and birth defects, I currently reserve it for those who fail conventional treatment. It is important that the person prescribing it have some experience with it and follow the patient closely. >Are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in >these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies. As far as I know, I am the only person looking at it currently. I should get off my duff and finish writing up some case reports. I'm not an academic physician, so I don't feel the pressure to publish or perish and I don't have the time during the work day for such things. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 4397,15,"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: Organization: HFSI Lines: 40 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on >the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to >the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at >least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died >and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up >with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established. >Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in >Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. Even if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was valid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as truth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've mentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally that no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in the Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the absence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken, then I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect. >randy -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 [I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than this. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't be lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs. Thus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered for believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether those who witnessed it did. I do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there can be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism. --clh] " 4398,15,"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Just a quick reminder: The way you are interpreting those passages is your opinion. You make it sound as if your opinion is somehow an undisputable fact. Many would interpret the passages you cite very differently. (Many have--several of the great theologians you mentioned do that very thing. These were people who had much more expertise in the interpretation of scripture than you or me or probably anyone reading this newsgroup. To say that all of them are wrong and you are right is, in my opinion, (notice those last three words) coming pretty darn close to the sin of pride. In the future I would suggest you not be so absolutist in your interpretations, especially when contradicting highly respected doctors of Christianity. - Mike Walker mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Univ. of Illinois) " 4399,11,"From: srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C. Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: >It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were >published, one could then build physically identical clone versions >of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But >the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn. Not necessarily --- they could release the details of the algorithm without releasing the ""system key"" (called SK by Hellman). That would make most people happy, and with some sort of verification procedure before key exchange, the ""official"" chips would only work with other ""official"" chips. In other words, secrecy of SK makes ""physically identical clone versions"" impossible; secrecy of the algorithm shouldn't be necessary. Of course, revealing the algorithm opens them up to attacks on SK --- since all units share this key, compromising it may be a big deal. Personally, I wouldn't feel too comfortable knowing that one ""secret"" 80-bit number held in many places was all that guaranteed my security. Of course, compromise of SK doesn't necessarily mean that the system is compromised, but it's impossible to tell whether or not that's true with a secret algorithm. Incidentally, what's to keep a ""secret algorithm"" from using the secret SK as the main key, with UK being only marginally important. Then a court order for UK may not even be necessary to do a wiretap. -- Steve Tate srt@cs.duke.edu | The reason why mathematics enjoys special esteem, Dept. of Computer Science | above all other sciences, is that its laws are Duke University | absolutely certain and indisputable, while those of all Durham, NC 27706 | other sciences are to some extent debatable. (Einstein) " 4400,9,"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Lines: 60 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > >At age 23 Alomar had a brilliant rookie year. True, he was limited >by injuries in his sophomore season, but his numbers both that yaer >and the year following were quite mediocre. This season the same >Bill James projects a ba of .265, OPS of 675. The same Bill James? Why do you say that? It sounds like you're suggesting Bill James had something to do with overhyping the kid to death. Au contraire; he was fairly critical of him after his ROY campaign, noting that he wasn't all-world as a catcher or a hitter. He called him basically average when everyone *else* in the media was predicting the next Johnny Bench or Roy Campanella. >Both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers, >expected to be among the best ever in baseball. The reports I >read indicate that Lopez is very ordinary defensively. Which reports are those? >The Dodgers options are Parrish and Hernandez, and now only Carlos. >Piazza is 24. As long as he continues with his *very* hot bat, >they will keep him in the lineup because they need the offensive >production. When he cools off, look for the much better defensive >catcher Hernandez (only 25) to play more. I like Hernandez a lot, but if Piazza can catch the ball, you've gotta play him IMHO. He's a much better hitter, although Hernandez isn't a *bad* hitter. Right now, it sounds like Piazza will catch most of the time and Hernandez will be Candiotti's caddy since he can catch the knuckler. As long as they play up to their abilities, the Dodgers could have a very good catching tandem. >The Braves options are Berryhill and Olson. I agree that Olson is >nothing special, but I do think Berryhill is better than many >people on rsb believe. But both the Braves' catchers are very >good defensively (calling a game, blocking the plate, throwing) >and although they are somewhat weak offenivsively, they play on a team >that is not so much in need of another big bat. I think both are overrated defensively (see Nichols' Law of catcher defense), but that's something that's difficult to prove or disprove from your viewpoint or mine. About the only tangible thing we can look at is opponent's SB%, and that's clouded by how well your pitchers hold runners. Catchers ERA is a possibility, but it's subject to way too many biases. As for them 'playing on a team that is not so much in need of another big bat', I disagree here too. About the only chink in the Braves' armor is that they're weak offensively at several positions (CF, C, 2B, SS if Belliard plays, 1B unless Bream and Hunter form another super-platoon) and very weak defensively if Blauser plays. I'd like to see the Braves give at least one of Mel Nieves, Javy Lopez or Chipper Jones a shot, but much like the talent-rich Jays of recent years they'll be conservative and stick with what they have. I'm not saying that's wrong, just conservative. -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence " 4401,10,"From: plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) Subject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships Nntp-Posting-Host: sanjuan.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA Lines: 16 In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes: > > Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an >impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden. I believe that was 4-1. Rod Brind-Amour scored at 19.59 of the third. > >Kevin White >white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- P. Allen Larsen University of Victoria plarsen@sanjuan.uvic.ca " 4402,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Roger Maynard Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 15 Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts and have little if any hockey info. I have recieved two in the last 2 days. I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him. Gregmeister Obligatory hockey comment: It is highly unlikely that the Maple Leafs will even get out of their division. " 4403,1,"From: jmuller@ic.sunysb.edu (John S Muller) Subject: WAYNE RIGBY Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: csws18.ic.sunysb.edu Sorry to clog up the news group with this message. Wayne Rigby, I have the info you requested, but for some reason I can not mail it to you. Please contact me! Send email address. j -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""No Real Programmer can function without caffeine"" - Zen + Art of Internet _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ John S. Muller _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ muller@diego.llnl.gov _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ muller@sisal.llnl.gov _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ jmuller@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ""You are not drunk until you have to grab the grass, to keep the grass from falling off the earth"" - Some Stupid Comedian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4404,11,"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes: > >Just a question. >As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee >intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes >with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition >for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) That sounds like an old _Dragnet_ episode. ""Joe and I went to the apartment of Prime Suspect. Nobody answered the door, but his landlord gave us permission to search the apartment."" Perhaps that worked in California in the 60's, but as I understand the law landlords do _not_ have authority to grant permission to search space rented by a third party, provided the lease is not in default, etc. (I'm not even sure if they can provide the master key, when shown a search warrant, since the _subject_ of the search is supposed to be notified). At this point the question becomes: did the user ""rent"" the disk space her encrypted file occupies? If she did, it _should_ fall under the same body of case law that applies to apartments, storage lockers, etc. (As to whether any court would recognize this fact....) If she did not (i.e., no compensation exchanged), I don't know how it would be treated -- there doesn't seem to be a non-cyberspace equivalent. -- Bear Giles bear@fsl.noaa.gov " 4405,16,"From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 11 In article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >I know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members. >I've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way. I've been a member of the NRA for several years and recently ""joined"" HCI. I wanted to see what they were up to and paid the minimum ($15) to get a membership. I also sent the NRA another $120. -- Would the founding fathers have approved of encryption so strong that the government could not break it? " 4406,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Russian Operation of US Space Missions. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 I know people hate it when someone says somethings like ""there was an article about that somewhere a while ago"" but I'm going to say it anyway. I read an article on this subject, almost certainly in Space News, and something like six months ago. If anyone is really interested in the subject I can probably hunt it down given enough motivation. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes seront capable de le realiser"" -Jules Verne " 4407,10,"From: Anna Matyas Subject: Re: Ron Francis Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.170938.11226@Virginia.EDU> Matthew Rush writes: >Is there an award for ""best back-up behind a hockey great""? >Underneath all the hype about Lemieux, Stevens, Jagr, Ulf, >etc., Ron Francis has quietly put together a 100 point season >(24 goals and 76 assists in 84 games). That was probably the >best acquisition the Penguins have made since getting Lemieux >(apologies to Rick Tocchet, who has had a hell of a year >himself). The Pens got just the right person at just the right >time when they got Francis before the playoffs two years ago to >back-up Mario. Who was the second-line center before they got >Francis? I remember Randy Gilhen (who really plays tough, an >ace in the face-off circle), but nobody with all the skills >Francis has: scoring, passing, winning face-offs, and putting >100% into every game, every night. Just wanted to glow a little. I know what you mean! I glow everytime Ronnie's out on the ice. In fact, one of the neatest things about seeing the Pens in person is that I can key in on him instead of watching what I'd probably be seeing on tv. He does so many subtle things behind the play. He said in an interview recently that when he was a kid his dad stressed the importance of playing two-way hockey; that you have to learn how to play defense as well as offense and he obviously took that advice to heart. He was a breath of fresh air when he arrived in Pittsburgh to the team whose forwards, for the most part, couldn't and wouldn't play a lick of defense. It's really difficult to assess what the key trades were that brought all of this success to the Pens. You mention Rick Tocchet and he has certainly helped, and even ol' Kjell has been steady. But looking at this team you could almost take any one of them out of the line-up permanently and replace them with an extremely mediocre player and it wouldn't matter. If I had to pick the top three acquisitions in recent years they would be 1) Tom Barrasso; 2) Ron Francis; 3) Larry Murphy. (I'd love to put Francis first but I do think the only thing that could really damage the Pens right now would be to lose Barrasso.) Mom. " 4408,3,"From: walker@thufir.cs.umn.edu (Robert Paul Walker) Subject: DOS Board with 16 ports. Nntp-Posting-Host: thufir.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 19 I'm posting this for a friend that runs a BBS. I'm not sure if its under DOS or Windows. He is interested in a board that has 16 ports on it. In another post, someone suggeted a DigiBoard, but didn't have too much info on it. Could someone give me information on any boards that they know of with the before mentioned configuration. Models. Specifications. Prices. Manufacturers. Thanks, Rob -- Robert Walker walker@cs.umn.edu Computer Science Dept. University of Minnesota " 4409,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr19.120352.1574@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: >> The problem with your argument is that you do not _know_ who is a _real_ > believer and who may be ""faking it"". This is something known only by > the person him/herself (and God). Your assumption that anyone who > _claims_ to be a ""believer"" _is_ a ""believer"" is not necessarily true. So that still leaves the door totally open for Khomeini, Hussein et rest. They could still be considered true Muslims, and you can't judge them, because this is something between God and the person. You have to apply your rule as well with atheists/agnostics, you don't know their belief, this is something between them and God. So why the hoopla about Khomeini not being a real Muslim, and the hoopla about atheists being not real human beings? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 4410,1,"From: scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) Subject: BGI Drivers for SVGA Summary: Ftp site for SVGA Driver Keywords: BGI, SVGA Nntp-Posting-Host: bogart Organization: Bull HN UK Lines: 11 I require BGI drivers for Super VGA Displays and Super XVGA Displays. Does anyone know where I could obtain the relevant drivers ? (FTP sites ??) Regards Simon Crowe " 4411,15,"From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (BCG) Subject: Re: Knowing God's Will Organization: uwcc Lines: 20 Hi, I don't know much about Bible. Could you tell me the relations of Christians with non-Christians in Bible? How should be The relations of christian nations with each other and the relations of Christian nations with other nations who are not Christians? The other question is about the concept of religion in Bible. Does the religion of God include and necessitate any law to be extracted from Bible or is the religion only a belief and nothing to do with the government sides? If for example, any government or a nation is one of the wrongdoings according to Bible, how should they be treated? Is there any statement in Bible saying that Bible is a guide for every aspects of life? Thank you. Beytullah " 4412,10,"From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion) Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 51 In <1993Apr16.195754.5476@ousrvr.oulu.fi> mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) writes: >: FINLAND: >: >: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 >: D-Teppo Numminen....20 >: D-Peter Ahola.......13 >: >Well well, they don't like our defenders (mainly Lumme and Numminen)... About 25 is correct for Numminen and Lumme. >: R-Teemu Selanne.....27 >: >Compared to Kurri, Selanne's points are too high, lets make it 25 or 26. No, Kurri's points are too low. 27 for Kurri and 28 for Sel{nne. >: well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of >: Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's >: presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at >: the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be >: that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. >Wow, now, it looks like you don't like our players? What about guys like: >Nieminen, Jutila, Riihijarvi, Varvio, Laukkanen, Makela, Keskinen and (even >if he is aging) Ruotsalainen? The main difference between finnish and North- >American players is, that our players tend to be better in the larger rink. >The Canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in Europe. >And I think that there was more in our success than Ketterer and luck (though >they helped). I think that the main reason was, that the team worked well >together. That's true. Game is so different here in Europe compared to NHL. North-ame- ricans are better in small rinks and europeans in large rinks. An average european player from Sweden, Finland, Russian or Tsech/Slovakia is a better skater and puckhandler than his NHL colleague. Especially defenders in NHL are mainly slow and clumsy. Sel{nne has also said that in the Finnish Sm-league game is more based on skill than in NHL. In Finland he couldn't get so many breakaways because defenders here are an average much better skaters than in NHL. Also Alpo Suhonen said that in NHL Sel{nne's speed accentuates because of clumsy defensemen. I have to admit that the best players come from Canada, but those regulars aren't as skilful as regulars in the best european leagues. Also top europeans are in the same level as the best north-americans.(except Lemieux is in the class of his own). Tommi " 4413,18,"From: vlad@netcom.com (Vladimir Kuznetsov) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study >(discrediting Kinsey) says so. >-- Yes, I saw today in 6 o'clock news on KCBS here in San Francisco this statistic quoted. 2.2% men had sex with another man. 1.3% cinsider themself homosexual. I understand of course that because this statistic goes against common believe and not PC-correct it must be complete BS. Thx vlad -- Vladimir Kuznetsov (408)252-5455 Natural Intelligence Consulting vlad@netcom.COM 73437,3344@compuserve.com vkuznetsov@mci.com " 4414,3,"From: rtfuhge@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Fuhge) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: University of Erlangen, csd. AI NNTP-Posting-Host: faui8s3.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 36 Hi! I think VGA-Copy can do what you need. If you create a new floppy for your a: drive (that is the 5 1/4""), turn on the ""modify"" switch of vga-copy. When you boot using this diskette, a message appears: This is no system disk, you can 1) replace disk with another, 2) boot from Harddisk or 3) switch drives and reboot (that is, a: becomes b:, b: becomes a:) Type your choice: When you select the third item, you can boot from b: which is now called a: . Seems to work very good, for example booting drdos6 from the installation disks in 3.5"" format was no problem for a friend of mine (I have only a 3.5"" a: drive) Hope that helps Robert P.S.: VGA-Copy is shareware, so it's easy to get. Newest Version seems to be 5.0 . -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Fuhge, Haagstrasse 17, 8520 Erlangen, Tel. privat: 09131/204103 | | Email: rtfuhge@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (demnaechst 91054 Erlangen) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""Wars are not for to see who is right, but who is left ... "" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Fuhge, Haagstrasse 17, 8520 Erlangen, Tel. privat: 09131/204103 | | Email: rtfuhge@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (demnaechst 91054 Erlangen) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""Wars are not for to see who is right, but who is left ... "" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 4415,14,"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 41 In article <843@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: >> The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being >> built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is >> still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks >> technically reasonable. >> > > November/December, 1987 page 21 - ""Science and Technology in Japan"". > Seawater Uranium Recovery Experiment > ""The ground uranium reserves are estimated at about 3.6 million tons, > and it is anticipated that the demand and supply balance will collapse by the > end of the 20th century. In Japan, a resources poor country, technological > development are now under way to economically collect uranium dissolved in > seawater. The total quanity of uranium dissolved in seawater is estimated > to be about 4.6 billion tons, a huge amount when compared with ground uranium > reserves......."" I hate to pour cold water on this, but currently seawater extracted uranium, even using the new, improved fiber absorbers from Japan, is about 20 times more expensive than uranium on the spot market. Uranium is *very* cheap right now, around $10/lb. Right now, there are mines closing because they can't compete with places like Cigar Lake in Canada (where the ore is so rich they present safety hazards to the mines, who work in shielded vehicles). Plenty of other sources (for example, uranium from phosphate processing) would come on line before uranium reached $200/lb. ""Demand and supply balance will collapse"" is nonsense. Supply and demand always balance; what changes is the price. Is uranium going to increase in price by a factor of 20 by the end of the century? Not bloody likely. New nuclear reactors are not being built at a sufficient rate. Uranium from seawater is interesting, but it's a long term project, or a project that the Japanese might justify on grounds of self-sufficiency. Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu " 4416,6,"From: Hans Meyer Subject: Logitech Scanman 256 Organization: Indiana University Lines: 15 I would like to sell my Logitech Hand-held 256 Gray Scale Scanner. I originally bought it as a toy and have no practical use for it. Hardly ever used it. Package includes: -board -Scan-Mate software -Ansel Image Editing software -All original manuals, box, etc. Originally bought for $350 in Jan '92. Selling for $150. If interested, let me know. -Hans Meyer " 4417,15,"From: Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Lines: 32 --> Note: Reply to a message in soc.religion.christian. EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL wrote in a message to All: > Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the > Bible a closed book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go > around saying ""God told me this"" and ""Jesus told me that""? > Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies > are nothing new but rather an inspired translation of > scripture. Is it right to call that prophecy? Misleading? Hi, You might want to read Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur. In it he discussed exactly this queation, amongst others. In my own words, VERY simplified, his position is basically that one must decide, what is the most important - experience or Scripture? People tend to say Scripture, without living according to that. Their own feeling/prophecy/etc tends to be put across without testing in the light of Scripture. There's a lot more than this, really worthwhile to read whether you're Charismatic or not. Groetnis (=cheers) Deon --- timEd/B8 -- INTERNET: Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org via: THE CATALYST BBS in Port Elizabeth, South Africa. (catpe.alt.za) +27-41-34-1122 HST or +27-41-34-2859, V32bis & HST. " 4418,13,"From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research? Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 26 In article <93099.141148C09630GK@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C09630GK@WUVMD (Gary Kronk) writes: |> I have been contemplating this idea for some time as well. I am not a |> doctor, but my wife is a nurse and I know a lot of doctors and nurses. |> The point here being that doctors and nurses do not seem to get sick |> nearly as much as people outside the medical profession. This is a lovely area for anecdotes, but I am sure you are on to something. As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on pediatrics. I never had younger siblings myself, and when I went on the pediatric wards I suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious challenges that my body was not ready for. Pediatrics for me was three solid months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. I don't think it is that the immune system is hyped up in any way. Also, don't forget that the hospital flora is very different from the home, and we carry a lot of that around. -km " 4419,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Article-I.D.: rwing.2089 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr19.193528.5655@cs.ucla.edu> geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes: >In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: > >> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the >> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton >> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing, >> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). > >It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever >administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have >initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already >we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us. >Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were >responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the >new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and >Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay >the body at the proper door to start with. You are so correct - Clinton did not initiate it. He just cast it in GRANITE by implimenting, NOT stopping the DECISION. I also stated in another post I don't give a damn what administration does it, I still find it totally unacceptable, and whoever impliments it or rams it down our throats ought to be run out of office. Also, Bush was not trying to deprive us of our Second Amendment rights. Clinton is BUSTING HIS BUTT in that regard. That reveals a total difference in philosophy. Clinton appears to support the idea of TOTAL people control. Eavesdropping whenever they feel like it, no real security for the common person, and no ability to defend oneself against illegal attack, from whatever source. ""Trust us, we will protect (and control) you... if we don't find it inconvenient..."" Clinton has also shown his utter contempt for public disclosure and accountability, as well. He had plenty of time to change the policy. HE DIDN'T. HE EXPANDED ON IT. I bet had Bush been in office, you would be in there howling louder than I. -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 4420,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Who picks first? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Ottawa picks first, because they had fewer wins during the season, the first tiebreaker. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 4421,2,"Nntp-Posting-Host: fac-csr.byu.edu Lines: 24 From: ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) Subject: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Fine Arts and Communications -- Brigham Young University I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)378-3292 hfac_csr@byu.edu ecktons@ucs.byu.edu " 4422,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool rule revision Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, I will have to change the scoring on my playoff pool. Unfortunately I don't have time right now, but I will certainly post the new scoring rules by tomorrow. Does it matter? No, you'll enter anyway!!! Good! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 4423,18,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Was Re: Top Ten Tricks...) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 53 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes: >>cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: ># #Can you provide some evidence that the slave states regarded slaves as ># #not humans? They were ""outside our society"" and similar phrases that ># #basically meant that they didn't have to recognized as having the same ># #rights as a free person, but they were never considered ""not human"" to ># #my knowledge. ># Isn't the fact that slaves were ""purchased"" as opposed to ># ""hired"" enough evidence that they were not thought as humans? ># Didn't the Bill of Rights provide basic freedoms to humans ># that were not available to slaves? >Not necessarily. Distinctions were made between ""citizens"" and >""persons"" throughout the U.S. and various state constitutions. >For example, free blacks had some rights of citizens, but not all >the rights of citizens. I'm curious if there was an additional >level of distinction made by the slave states to rationalize their >treatment of slaves, or if they just ignored the theoretical >problems of slave ownership. The Bill of Rights, as far as I can see, does not once refer to ""citizens"", but it makes several references to ""people"". For example, Article IV: ""The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated""; Article V: ""no person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment by a Grand Jury ... nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law""; Article VIII: ""excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"". Now I've never heard that Constitutional rights apply only to citizens; aren't they meant to apply equally to all *persons* living in the U.S.? Whether slaves were considered ""not human"" I don't know, but it seems that a case could be made that they weren't treated as ""people"" as defined in the Bill of Rights. And since the nation is nominally based on the Declaration of Independence which states that ""all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"", it would also seem that slaves would not follow under this definition of humanity. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 4424,7,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: na Lines: 37 In <24485@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes: >In article , callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >| In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >| >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes: >| >> >| >>It's a big aftermarket business. Almost no cars come from the factory with >| >>vynal any more, and any fake ""convertible"" job _definitely_ came from some >| >>aftermarket place. What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for >| >>bad taste >| > >| >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the >| >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? >| >| Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, >| named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I >| personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit >| (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful >| cars ever built, IMHO. >| >| James >| >The Continental may have been the first ""modern era"" auto to mount the >spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one. >Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common >in early automobiles, both US and Foreign. >-- Right. In the thirties both Buick and Packard had two spares mounted in wells in the front fenders. Of course that was back when the front fenders were long enough to provide room. There were a couple of other marques that did this as well, but memory fades. >Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait >AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't >GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints >DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young " 4425,1,"From: ch41@prism.gatech.EDU (claye hart) Subject: graphics libraries Keywords: graphics, libraries Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16 I am interested in a 2d/3d graphics library which will allow our design team to write graphics software for Unix workstations and be as portable as possible. Eventually this software will have to be moved to Microsoft Windows. It is my opinion that a good API with hooks to PEX underneath would prove most portable. Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments. - Claye Hart -- Claye K. Hart 404-894-9729 Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ch41 Internet: claye.hart@gtri.gatech.edu " 4426,17,"From: shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In-reply-to: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:53:34 GMT In article bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes: [snip] In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth. I agree that the death of three soldiers on a patrol etc... is not terrorism. That having been said, lets continue. [snip] imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are ""terrorist camps"". There are however some which come very close to serving that purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way prior to the invasion. SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they are back they announce that they bombed a ""terrorist hideout"" where an 8 year old girl just happened to be. Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. As to retaliation, while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate bombing, which would have produced major casualties. Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police it and prevent further attacks. This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel would have resulted in. Actually that is not clear at all. I will agree that the death toll is no longer civilian and now primarily military though. There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did in all other parts of Lebanon. No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 4427,12,"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Keywords: Nuclear Lines: 33 swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes: >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >I hope someone can help The actual hourglass is hollow and is designed to generate a draft, exploiting the venturi effect. Around the base of the hourglass is a ring of water towers. Warm river water, coming from the steam condenser in the plant, is sprayed over louvres. The draft being pulled through the tower cools the water by both evaporation and convection. The sensible heat extracted from the cooling water is the driving force for draft generation. It should be noted that the hourglass-shaped cooling towers are used on both fossile and nuclear plants. It should also be noted that at locations where water is plentiful, the cooling towers are only used part time, when the discharge temperature would exceed some release limit. It was once thought that the warm discharge water was damaging to fish. Fishermen know that is thoroughly incorrect. Nontheless, stringent, usually state, regulations remain in some instances. Since it typically takes 60,000 hp worth of pumping to move the volume of water needed to cool a 1000 MWe plant, the cost of using the towers is not insignificant. -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? " 4428,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035544.16865 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com> mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes: >My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced >(1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years >about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it >before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may >actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. > Grass Roots Motorsport [3/93] has a long article about MG/B's this month. As far as collectivity/speculation is concerned they think it is a waste of time, especially the later rubber bumpered models are the least desirable, a 1962 original model the most. The reasons for its low value are easy availability and the fact that it just was not a very good car. Craig >Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are >still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the >market? >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Mike Brookbank, |MKS| 35 King St. North mike@mks.com >Director, InterOpen Sales, |MKT| Waterloo, Ontario (519)884-2251 >Mortice Kern Systems Inc. |MKS| Canada, N2J 2W9 fax (519)884-8861 " 4429,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 6 But someone will say, ""You have faith; I have deeds."" Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. James 2:18 " 4430,3,"From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) Subject: Re: Know anything about EISA-2? Nntp-Posting-Host: mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 22 In article <1qt5nk$8o6@agate.berkeley.edu> bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes: >I read about the development of EISA-2 some time ago but dismissed it >in light of the intense interest in VESA and PCI. However, I recently >was disheartened to hear that ISA cannot address more than 16mb of RAM, >a limit that too many of us will hit all too soon. > >I recall that EISA-2 will support 64-bit transfer among other enhancements. >Is there such a standard being developed? Very possibly, but if it's still going to be backwards compatible with the ISA bus, it's going to be the same tripe that the current EISA implementation really is. From what I've seen, the PCI bus will just be a new 32bit 33MHz intelligent bus (ie, bus controller takes care of interrupts and the like, not jumpers...) Hopefully it'll get somewhere up there with the AMIGA Zorro III bus.... VL Bus is a bit too much of a hack for my liking... Toodlepip! Marc 'em. " 4431,6,"From: tligman@bgsu.edu (Simurgh) Subject: Nintendo games and control deck Article-I.D.: andy.C52JzL.DD4 Distribution: na Organization: Bowling Green State Univ. Lines: 35 Forsale: Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has grips attached. the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs. 25$ or best offer games for sale 15$ Tecmo Baseball 15$ Techmo Bowl 15$ Double Dribble 15$ Wayne Gretzky Hockey 15$ Golf 10$ Super Mario/Duck Hunt 15$ Super Mario II 20$ Super Mario III 15$ Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Arcade game 15$ MegaMan 3 10$ Toobin' 10$ Spelunker 25$ Tecmo Super Bowl ============ 175$ total, I'll give all of them to you for the best offer and throw in the control deck... I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games individually. the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old. Email at tligman@andy.bgsu.edu Phone at 1 (419) 372-5954 -- -Tom <<<>>>Warning, signature under construction, ENTER at your own RISC<<<>>> " 4432,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 9 In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu> sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: Farr's ERA is in the > 20s or 30s, and Howe's is.....infinite. (I didn't think such > a thing was possible, but it is). Actually, according to USA today, Howe has 1 inning atttributed to him, but maybe that is incorrect. By the excellent report. " 4433,14,"From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 8 The only ether I see here is the stuff you must have been breathing before you posted... -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 4434,2,"From: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Lines: 34 In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: > >>What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? >>I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access >>our token ring (results in invalid class error :( > >While I do not speak for Peter Tattam, I am fairly sure he is planning a >Winsock compliant version. While this will definitely not make the initial >public release of WinTrumpet, it will follow on shortly thereafter. > >Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent >product, with several features beyond the DOS version. > >WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to >packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. > >Ashok Ashok, Is WinTrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp? *=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* | James R. Garven | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Dept. of Finance, CBA 3.250 Voice: (512) 471-6557 | | Graduate School of Business Fax: (512) 471-5073 | | University of Texas Internet: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu | | Austin, TX 78712, U.S.A. BITNET: Garven@UTXVM.BITNET | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | ""Education is ... hanging on until you've caught on"" - Robert Frost | *=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* " 4435,4,"From: Peter Hansen Subject: Re: SIMM vs DRAM X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:39:46 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 Organization: BNR X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 24 In article <27988.2BD32F3F@zeus.ieee.org> Arthur Greene, Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org writes: >Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 256K DRAM chip and a >256K SIMM? I need the former (I think) to add memory to my Laserwriter >LS. Someone is offering to sell me 256K SIMMS he removed from an SE, but >I have a feeling this may not be the correct form of memory. The sockets >in the Laserwriter look like they want the spidery-shaped chips (there >are 4 sockets, each with, as I recall, 20 pins, arranged in two rows of 10). >Believe it or not, I've never actually seen a SIMM. Help appreciated. A 256K DRAM chip is a 256 kilobit chip whereas a 256K SIMM is a 256 kilobyte memory module. The SIMM is a PCB with a 30 pin connector edge and on the SIMM are 8 256 kilobit DRAM chips (making the total memory 256 KBytes. You are correct assuming that SIMMs will not fit into a LaserWriter. Apple printers either require 64 pin SIMMs like those in the Mac IIfx or special memory chips. Contact your Apple dealer to find out exactly what kind of chips you need. Peter Hansen Bell Northern Research pgmoffc@BNR.ca " 4436,15,"From: vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) Subject: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 11 Our Moderator writes: > I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as > indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view. ... > It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold > it officially are the JW's and SDA's. I can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate somewhere that hell might be ""the state of once having been a human soul""? " 4437,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Metric vs English Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr6.131900.8407 Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 31 In <1993Apr5.195215.16833@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes: >Keith Mancus (mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov) wrote: >> Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) writes: >> > SI neatly separates the concepts of ""mass"", ""force"" and ""weight"" >> > which have gotten horribly tangled up in the US system. >> >> This is not a problem with English units. A pound is defined to >> be a unit of force, period. There is a perfectly good unit called >> the slug, which is the mass of an object weighing 32.2 lbs at sea level. >> (g = 32.2 ft/sec^2, of course.) >> >American Military English units, perhaps. Us real English types were once >taught that a pound is mass and a poundal is force (being that force that >causes 1 pound to accelerate at 1 ft.s-2). We had a rare olde tyme doing >our exams in those units and metric as well. American, perhaps, but nothing military about it. I learned (mostly) slugs when we talked English units in high school physics and while the teacher was an ex-Navy fighter jock the book certainly wasn't produced by the military. [Poundals were just too flinking small and made the math come out funny; sort of the same reason proponents of SI give for using that.] -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 4438,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 51 In article , andrew@srsune.shlrc.mq.edu.au (Andrew McVeigh) writes: > The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and > that all people are redeemable. It preaches a message of > repentance, and of giving. Unfortunately, all people have > deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message > around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways. > This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine. Andrew, How I wish this were true, and how I long for the day in which it will be true. But alas, it is not true of history. The Bible does not have a message -- it has messages. And some of those are messages of repentance and giving, to turn the other cheek, and do unto the least of these. But some of the messages are the complete opposite. Like the isrealites order to wipe out other tribes including women and children down to cattle, and punished severely when they were less than complete about the job. Like jews who are said to have cried out in Matthew, ""His blood be upon our heads and our childrens heads"" A verse quoted in every pogrom from the crusades to the holocaust. Have these been misunderstood? I think not. They have only been understood too clearly. It is essential that christians grasp firmly the good the bible teaches, the meek carpenter from Nazareth is a potent symbol for how we should be, his teachings we must take to heart, but we cannot ignore the other material in the bible which is not to our liking and say those who live by that have misread it. To say that is only to chose a point of interpretation and declare it normative. Such can be done with the same legitmacy by anyone. Instead we must let the text critique the text. Understanding that there is both good and bad in our sacred corpus, we test all things and hold fast to that which is good. > > > p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented > is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian. > Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour > of the world, and especially Christians. I praise God for > Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs > and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time > again. > At the risk of sounding heretical (well ok, more heretical) I don't think that doubt is something which requires forgiveness, it is something which requires introspection and reflection. If that is a sin, then there can be no salvation, for doubt is an inescapble part of being human. Consider Job. His friends had no doubt. Whereas Job had no doubt in himself but doubted the wisdom and justice of God. When God finally did appear he rebuked the friends and had job make sacrifices for them. To be a Christian it to always have doubt, or not to have honesty. Randy " 4439,3,"From: asyvan@solace.hsh.se (Jens Ejvinson) Subject: Re: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F Keywords: SCSI Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden Lines: 44 In <1993Apr6.095127.12261@odin.diku.dk> phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut) writes: >Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer >configuration is : >486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz) >16MB Ram >ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI >UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller >When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer >about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought >that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec. >Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host >adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk >performance in that system, do I need that ? >A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and >a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ? >Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ? 1. Dont rely on benchmarks. They often show incorrect due to different TSR programs. 2. SCSI often needs a driver to get the speed from the card. 3. Make sure the card is operating in synchronus mode which is 2x faster. 4. You can disable disconnect and get some kB/s but just to loose the mouse or other int`s when diskaccesing. (I get 2.3MB/s with DX50 LB and SCSI LB and Maxtor LXT340SY - Coretest) (I get 1.3MB/s - Sysinfo) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jens Ejvinson ------------------------------ Nackstavagen 32C VII Internet: Asyvan@Solace.hsh.se S-853 52 Sundsvall ------------------------------ SWEDEN Tel: +46-(0)60-117775 - ACT Sweden - Fax: Nope! Advanced Computer Technology BBS: Not yet... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 4440,19,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 80 In article rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes: >Perhaps you don't get it, and maybe you never will. Many didn't get it in the >Middle Ages and the proclaimed God's will be done as they massacred thousands >in witch hunts and inquisitions. There were many injustices in the middle ages. And this is truely sad. I would hate to see a day when churches put people to death or torchured them for practicing homosexuality, or any other crime. The church is not called to take over the governments of the world. It may be that homosexuals treated cruelly today, but that does not mean that we should teach Christians to practice homosexual immorality. Do you think that we should also teach Christians to practice divination and channelling because the witches in the middle ages were persecuted. >The major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end, the >final effect of posts like that of yours and Mr. Hudson is that YOU have a >""conditional"" love for gays. Condition: Change and we'll love you. This is >sure strange coming from a group who claim that God has an ""unconditional"" >love, one that calls people ""just as they are."" And you accuse me of judging? When did you look into my heart and see if I have love. I have been writing that we should not teach Christians to practice homosexual immorality, and you pretend to have divine knowledge to look into my heart. I can't say that I love homosexuals as I should- I can't say that I love my neighbor as I should either. I don't know very many homosexuals as it is. But Jesus loves homosexuals, just as He loves everyone else. If His love were conditional, I not know Him at all. Yes. We should show love to homosexuals, but it is not love to encourage brothers in the church to stumble and continue in their sin. That is a very damaging and dangerous thing. >The results of the passing amendment in >Colorado has created an organization who's posters are appearing all over >Colorado called ""S.T.R.A.I.G.H.T."" (I forget the whole definition off hand, >but the last part was Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash) and their motto >is ""Working for a fag-free America"" with an implicit advocation for violence. > >This is sick, and it seems to be what you and Mr. Hudson, and others are >embracing. That is slander. I could just as easily say that NAMBLA has been able to implement legislation to make child molesting easier because of the tearing down of societies morality due to people accepting homosexuality as normal, and that this is what you are embracing. I do believe that homosexual sex is immoral, that does not mean I endorse using violence against them. There is a problem of hatred in the church. But there is also the problem of what has been called ""unsanctified mercy."" Many in the conservative churches have seen the moral breakdown in this country and the storm on the horizon, and have gotten militant in the flesh. This is truely sad. Yet others in other churches have embraced immorality in society, and have pointed to the carnality in the conservative churches to justify their actions. >Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people >to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away? Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus. But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in. Jesus didn't go out of His way to show only what might be considered positive aspects to draw people in. He told one man to sell all He had. He told another not to say good bye to His family. His words were hard at times. We should present people with the cost of the tower before we allow them to begin construction. many people have already been innoculated to the gospel. Link Hudson. > >Whatever > >Rich :-( " 4441,6,"From: oauld@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Orion Auld) Subject: 386-40 for $500! 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Lines: 26 In article <79557@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: |>Xref: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com misc.invest:40997 misc.forsale:88577 |>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!uvo.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm |>From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) |>Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.forsale |>Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron. |>Message-ID: <79557@cup.portal.com> |>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 08:53:51 PDT |>Organization: The Portal System (TM) |>References: |>Lines: 4 |> |>I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union. Among the cars, dinette |>sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom, |>RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc. Don't they |>have garage sales in Russia? :-) |> It really doesn't strike me as very funny. It is rather indicative of what a crisis their economy is in. I imagine they are in desparate need of markets to sustain industries and people which are nolonger under central control of the government. -- Jim Rosenkranz rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com ""Never try to teach a pig to sing: it can't be done, and it annoys the pig."" " 4443,6,"From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne) Subject: WYSIWYG word processor for DOS!!!!!! Organization: Rice University Lines: 70 Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I don't need my DOS word processor anymore. It's a great word processor. Easy-to-use, undemanding on the system, and best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode. This is something Word Perfect doesn't have!! And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping. It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!! $65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!! Perfect for a laptop, or a lower powered machine! Check this out: CA> It has: CA> - WYSIWYG-mode editing (Word Perfect still trying to do CA> this!) 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It comes with full CA> documentation, registration cards, the box (its still in CA> good condition), both 5 1/4"" and 3 1/2"" disks for PFS:Write CA> and Grammatik, and the ClickArt on a 3 1/2"" disk. The CA> utilities PFS:Write comes with are worth $300 alone, so $65 CA> for a full-featured WP is a REAL BARGAIN. Buyer pays CA> shipping. CA> CA> Please respond by email to carolan@owlnet.rice.edu CA> or call (713) 520-5720 CA> CA> Bryan Dunne " 4444,8,"From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: dogs Organization: AT&T Summary: abnormal canine psychology Lines: 21 In article , mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes: > > With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures > may be necessary. This is the face off. First -- and there is very important > -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory. Face him off on the > road, not on his driveway. If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up > newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will > hurt him). Stand your ground, then slowly advance. Your mental attitude is > that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. The > larger the dog, the greater your anger. This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to a ""psychological norm"" that may not actually apply to a particular dog. I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing a game with me. The game was probably ""Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor"" Before He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com " 4445,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip Lines: 13 : Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely : as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant : to ""practical cryptanalysis."" In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how : several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite : security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And : NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of : police organizations and courts across the land. Ah yes, don't anyone mention Ronald William Pelton[*], heh heh heh. How embarrassing. G [*: NSA, 1964-1979; KGB 1980-1985] " 4446,18,"Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Distribution: world Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access. NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Lines: 18 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > You mean, if a large part of the population supports discrimination > against homosexuals, they will be injured. But if a large part of the > population supports such discrimination, how did that law get passed? An addition to anti-discrimination laws which includes homo and bisexuality ? One would assume it would be because politicians were listening to the people coming up with rational arguments rather than variations on bigotry. Logic sometimes prevails. BTW, glad to see that you've admitted sexual attraction to children is a seperate sexual orientation. Didn't think you had that much honesty. -- Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.""--gene spafford,1992 " 4447,15,"From: Nabeel Ahmad Rana Subject: RFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 171 Reply-To: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Dear Netters: A new religious newsgroup ""soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya"" was pro- posed on Oct 16, 1992. The discussion about this new proposed newsgroup went on in various related groups. The proposal, was supposed to enter a vote during the last week of November 92. Due to a false Call For Votes, by some opponent, the voting had to be canceled. I quote here a statement from the moderator of new.announce.newgroups: ""The current Call For Votes (CFV) for an Ahmadiyya newsgroup is being canceled. A new call for votes will be issued within a few weeks, possibly with a new impartial vote taker. Discus- sion on the proposal is still open until the new vote is called..."" -- by Lawrence, Nov 20, 1992. A lot of confusion arose among the netter as to whom to vote. Therefore it was decided to give a cool down period, so that all confusions are over. It has been over 4 months of that instant and now we are again attempting to create this newsgroup. A fresh RFD is hereby being issued. Please! take part in the discussion under the same title heading and in ""news.groups"" or at least cross-post it to ""news.groups"". **************************************************************** REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION **************************************************************** NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP: ========================== soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya CHARTER: ======= A religious newsgroup, which would mainly discuss the be- liefs, teachings, philosophy and ideologies of all major reli- gions of the world as they exist to foster better religious knowledge and understanding among followers of all religions as they share common basis. This newsgroup will be devoted to build a peaceful mutual understanding of the Ahmadiyya branch of Islam, its peacefull beliefs, ideology and philosophy and how it is different from other branches of Islam in fostering world peace and developing better understanding among religious people. It may also be used to post important religious events within the World Wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community in general. PURPOSE OF THE GROUP: ==================== The following are some of the main purposes this group will achieve: i) To discuss the common beliefs of all major religions as they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. ii) To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings of this puissant spiritual force on earth. iii) To examine Islamic teachings and beliefs in general in light of the Quran and established Islamic traditions of 15 centuries from Ahmadiyya perspective. iv) To discuss the similarities between Ahmadi Muslims and people of other Religions of the world and discuss how religious tolerance and respect to other's faiths can be brought about to eliminate inter-religion rivalries and hatred among people of religions. v) To discuss the origin and teachings of all religions in general and Islamic and Ahmadiyya Muslims in particular to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and other religious people. vi) To discuss current world problems and solution to these problems as offered by religion. vii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and other Religions. viii)To add diversity in the religious newsgroups present on Usenet. ix) To discuss why religious persecution is on the rise in the world and find solutions to remedy the ever deter- iorating situation in the world in general and in the Islamic world in particular. x) To discuss the contributions of founders of all reli- gions and their people for humanity, society and world peace in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Mus -lim Community in particular. TYPE: ==== The group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo- gue. The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement or dissent to beliefs, but will mainly be used to prevent derogatory/squalid use of dialect and irrelevant issues. The moderators have been decided through personal e-mail and through a general consensus among the proponants by discussion in news.groups. The following moderators have been proposed and agreed upon: Moderator: Nabeel A. Rana (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu) Co-Moderator: Dr. Tahir Ijaz (ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca) A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA/ISLAM: ========================================= The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi- sation, was founder in 1989 in Qadian, India. The founder of this sect, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), proclaimed to be the Promised Reformer of this age as foretold in almost all the major religions of the world today (Islam, Christianity, Judiasm, Hin- duism). He claimed to be the long awaited second comming of Jesus Christ (metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised Messiah. He claimed that the prophecies contained in almost all the great religions of the world about the advent of a messenger from God have been fulfilled. The claims Hazrat Ahmad raised storms of hostility and extreme oposition from many priestlike people of Muslims, Chris- tians, Jews and Hindus of that age. Such opposition is often wit- nessed in the history of divine reformers. Even today this sect is being persecuted specially in some of the Muslim regimes. Dispite the opposition and persecution, this sect has won many adherents in 130 countries. It has over 10 million followers, who come from a diverse ethnic and cultural background. The sect is devoted to world peace and in bringing about a better understanding of religion, and the founders of all reli- gions. Its mission is to unite mankind into one Universal broth- erhood and develop a better understanding of faith. Ahmadi Muslims have always been opposed to all kind of violence and spe- cially religious intollerance and fundamentalism. Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es- tablished a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clin- ics in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed by volunteer professional and are fully financed by the sect's internal resources. The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral reform, establish peace and justice, and to unite mankind under one universal religion. NEWSGROUP CREATION: ================== When the Call For Votes is called, the discussion will officially end. Voting will be held for about three weeks. If the group gets 2/3rd majority AND 100 more ""YES/Create"" votes than ""NO/don't create"" votes; the group shall be created. Any questions or comments may be included in the discussion or directly sent to: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu " 4448,15,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: anger Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 31 >Paul Conditt writes: >>In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when >>I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and >>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other >>socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through >>their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus... Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes: >The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is ""obvious""ly wrong to >be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry >which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us >for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was ""forgive >them Father, they know not what they do."" ... I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that we hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God accepts us. It seems that Paul's anger he has accepted and channeled it to a plea to all of us to refrain from passing judgement on those afflicted with a disease and to reach out to others. Give in? Calling his arguments foolish, belittling them to only quarrels, avoiding action because of fear to give others a bad feeling, he's not forgiving? Re-think it, Aaron. Don't be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with AIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made appropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to his anger. Joe Moore " 4449,10,"From: pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309) Subject: USENET Playoff Pool Nntp-Posting-Host: x102a.ess.harris.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Organization: Harris ESS, Melbourne, Fla. Lines: 15 I saw a previous request for the Rules and Instructions for the USENET playoff pool but I haven't seen any responce. Does anybody have this info? If so post away or you could mail it to me. Thanks in advance. -- ============================================================================ Phil Barone \ Internet: pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com Harris Corporation GISD \ Cape Canaveral A.F.S. \ 407-853-8169 \ ============================================================================ " 4450,7,"From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) Subject: Re: VW Passat: advice sought Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 32 In article hong@remus.rutgers.edu (Hyunki Hong) writes: > >I am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a VW >Passat GLX. How does it compare to a Toyota Camry? I thought the car >looked very solid, stable and European. Only disappointment so far is >that that it doesn't offer an airbao my next question is, why isn't VW >offering automobiles with airbags? Should I pay the extra three >thousand for a BMW 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful >than than the Passat? I think VW got caught out on the airbag thing. It's only been in the last year or two that airbags have become a significant selling feature. VW assumed that automatic belts would satisfy govt. requirements for passive restraint, but didn't guess that the 'merican consumer would actually make buy decisions based on the presence of an airbag. VW is really hurting right now in the US market. Check out the article in last week's Autoweek about the crisis at VW. Golfs and Jettas will be coming from the plant in Mexico, but they don't have the quality at that facility. As per normal VW practice, the US launch of the Jetta III is delayed again and again, until a good chunk of the useful life of the design is spent. I think that Passats come from Germany, so there is not the same quality and availability issue. It's a nice car with a nice engine. Whether VW will be a player in the US market in two year's time is a different question... I'll leave the Passat / Camry flamewar for someone else. " 4451,19,"From: jeffj@yang.earlham.edu (ChaOs) Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analysis :-) Organization: Honest Bob's Used Toaster Emporium Lines: 196 In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes: > Hi all, > > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there. First off, let me congratulate you for not posting a flame about ""You sick perverts, you are immoral, you are all going to hell."", which seems to be the usual ""religious"" post found on the alt.sex.* hierarchy. Hopefully, you won't get flamed, either. You will, however, be argued with. I personally think that your project is built on unsteady ground. First, I do not believe that there is any way to find an ""objective morality"". Morality and value are inherently subjective - they represent the beliefs of a person or a group of people. They can be widely held, perhaps even overwhelmingly held, but they are never and _can_ never be objective. > Assumptions: > > (1) A Christian bedrock assumption that all that is True, comes > Truly from God. > > (2) Regarding alt.sex.stories. While perhaps even from an > objective standpoint, the majority of its material is indeed > repugnant (you come to this conclusion quite quickly when you > start thinking about analyzing its material like this), some of > it reflects some fairly profound needs in people as well as some > truths -- and deserve to be pointed out. Second, I do not accept the assumptions that you make here. If, as you say, you are trying to be objective, then why accept a morality to begin with by using the Christian Bible? You're defeating your own purpose by doing so. > In the long run, the advantage of making such a literary/moral > analysis is that it will save band-width between Christians and > non mutually flaming each other about the moral acceptability of > the stuff on these (pornographic) groups. Third, call me a pessimist, but you won't stop the flamage. There will always be people who pop upin alt.sex.* to tell us how sick and twisted and evil we all are. Just out of curiosity, do alt.sex readers show up unprovoked in the religion groups to tell you all that you are narrow-minded, censoring, overbearing totalitarianists? > Basically, there should not be a dissonance between a ""Christian"" > morality and a ""non-Christian"" one. Either there is value in a > particular work, or there is not whether one is a Christian or > not. Hm. Let me provide an example. Four people get together over dinner, to discuss morality: you, me, a rather conservative Moslem, and a sociopath. I start off by saying that I think it's immoral to force people to have sex with you. You agree, but also say that it is immoral to have sex with someone of your own gender. (Just a note: I really don't know your views on homosexuality, I am just using this as a common view of morality for the purposes of this example.) The Moslem says that it is immoral for women to have their faces uncovered. The sociopath, who has become bored, kills all three of us and eats us, but feels no guilt because he has done nothing wrong morally in his own mind. > In support for the first assumption: > > The Christian scriptures say this: (Evidence deleted) I'm not going to accept your evidence for this. You ask us to accept ""The Word of God"" that everything good comes from God. This is only a valid argument for a person who shares your beliefs. Still, I must say that cataloging the major themes and motifs in erotica could be interesting for other reasons than yours, so good luck with this next part. > > ************************************** > > NOW THEN what are some of the major themes/motifs in the > pornographic literature on places like alt.sex.stories? These > are some that I've been able to identify. Please add/comment on > them. > > > Motif #1 -- THE MALE-CINDERELLA. > > In so many of the stories there is expressed a feeling of > alienation and worthlessness on the part of the writer or > otherwise protagonist of the story with regard to the object (the > other person) of his/her desire. Often a story involves a > protagonist who (on the surface) is quite average (but underneath > usually has an enormous dick), who desires to in some way to gain > access (in a definitely sexual way) to the other person who > he/she confesses is far more desireable than he/she is and who > indeed seems ""to walk between the rain-drops."" Hmmm...do I detect just a wee bit of condescence here? > > Motif #2 -- A CELEBRATION OF (INDEED PREOCCUPATION WITH) BEAUTY. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not very objective. > The vast majority of pornographic literature deals with beauty, > be it innocence (somehow about to be lost), grace, or simply > physical beauty. And generally, most people Christian or non > will say that beauty is good. One could construe this to mean that beautiful people are better, or ""more good"" than non-beautiful people. I would hope that people relize that this is not necessarily true. > > Motif #3 -- ONE'S DICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION. ^^^^ Might I suggest the word ""penis""? It seems more in line with the tone of your post. > Blessed are those who are well-hung, for they shall get > laid. -- from what would thus be a revised Matthew 5 :-). > Bravo! I respect you and your sense of humor, sir. > > Motif #4 -- SEX AS AN EXPRESSION OF SINCERE GIVING. > > There is, often enough, a clear desire on the part of the > protagonist, to give (definitely sexual) pleasure to the object > (person) of his/her desires. Yes, and this theme is usually what the better stories are about. However, they are not always selfish - I could point to examples in the work of Elf Sternberg, for example. > > Motif #5 -- ALT.SEX.STORIES DESCRIBES A SEX WHICH IS COMPLETELY > REMOVED FROM THE REALM OF ""TRANSMITTING LIFE"" > > So removed is sex from its procreative dimension on > alt.sex.stories, that one begins to wonder why sex even involves > ejaculation, as in the context described in pornography it serves > then no real purpose. It serves the same purpose as it does in pornographic movies: it affirms the virility of the male involved, as well as assuring the reader that he (the character) has orgasmed. > The Whole Picture [TM] is probably very well described by the > Catholic teaching on this: Of the husband and wife, in an act of > total mutual self-giving in the sexual union, cooperating with > God in opening themselves up for the transmission of new life > (cf. Humane Vitae). Your Whole Picture [TM] unfortunately only applies to people who accept your church. In addition, if sex is for procreation, then 1) Why did God make it pleasurable, so that people would want to do it, rather than building it in as instinct? 2) Why did God make it fallible? Not every sexual encounter results in pregnancy, even among Catholics. Does this mean that they have sinned? > In any case alt.sex.stories and the Catholic teaching will > probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time. Granted. > > Motif #6 -- SEX USED AS AN INSTRUMENT VIOLENCE, POWER AND > HUMILIATION. > > Why pornography seems to tend in that direction, I really do not > know. Probably volumes could be written on the relationships > between sex and power/humiliation. But this probably gives good > reason why traditionally Judeo-Christianity has been so negative > with regard to sexuality -- it seems to tend to a great moral > morass. Pornography would not tend in those directions if there were not a demand for it. Many people have violent fantasies that they would never act out in real life, but will think about and read about and mull over. Later, Jeff -- JeffJ@yang.earlham.edu - Official generic .sig. Under 4 lines, under 80 columns, no Amiga checks, no witty quotes, no maps of Australia, no asterisks, no ASCII art, no disclaimers or anti-flame requests, and one spelling errer. " 4452,18,"From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) Subject: Re: Age of Consent == Child Molestation Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 40 In article roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes: >In <15148@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: ##It should be noted that NAMBLA has not been present in the ##other 600 or so gay parades in the nation. While I view this ##as an isolated event, I am very troubled by its reccurence. >I hope I'm not going to hate myself for getting involved in >this discussion, but I felt obliged to keep things factually >accurate. >Last year NAMBLA marched in the Pride Parades in Boston, New >York and San Francisco. It was not the first time we >participated in these parades and it will not be the last. (I >have marched with the NAMBLA contingent in New York, every >year, for more than a decade.) Thank you for correcting the error in my post to the net. This information came from a newspaper article that was fuzzy in my mind. I can only wonder if there have been similar outcries about NAMBLA's presence in the parades of New York and Boston. Yours in Liberation from Molestation, Mark North American Micro-Biological Laboratories Association For a packet containing a sample bulletin, publications list and membership information send $1.00 postage to... Note: Sometimes I do the darndest things while trying to squelch my desire to flame the living daylights out of somebody for their beliefs and/or associations, especially if they are so genial... Phil, take it away! :-) -- Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- AOL: BigCookie@aol.com -- USCF: L10861 ""What, me worry?"" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992 ""I'm gonna crush you!"" - Andre the Giant, 1946-1993 " 4453,16,"From: fjk6478@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Fred) Subject: Re: Luser! Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: fjk6478@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology > >Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as >well as why I don't believe it. And if it's boring, then I yield the last >word to you, if you want it. You may say anything you like with >impunity--I am dropping the subject. > >--John L. Scott How very kind of you! " 4454,11,"From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) Subject: Re: **Sorry folks** (read this) Originator: rita@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: Enormes_Rebajas_Online Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr22.014646.28445@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: >I just found out from my source that this article was a joke. Heh heh.. >It seemed pretty damn convincing to me from the start -- I just didn't >notice the smiley at the end of the article, and there were a few other >hints which I should of caught. People took this article seriously? I mean, I know it's the Net and all, but the prankster didn't even have Clinton's sound-bites right. -- Rita Rouvalis rita@village.com " 4455,4,"From: lex@optimla.aimla.com (Lex van Sonderen) Subject: Re: CD-ROM multisession Nntp-Posting-Host: emerald Organization: Philips Interactive Media of America Lines: 19 In article <1pgifo$efb@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu writes: >As I said ""I know a multisession CD-ROM is necessary if you do more photos..."" >BUT what if it is just a writable CD-ROM drive and do a second ""session"" >do you need one for that too? If you write a second time to a CD you need to have multi-session capability to read the second session. Whether it is photos or just data or whatever. Here is a simplified way of looking at it: The first session has the directory structure burned at some tracks. The second session has a newer directory structure, but the first directory still exists, because you cannot change, only add. So if you put that in a 'normal' drive and it will only look to the first directory and think it has found all data. Multisession kindof means that the drive will look for the last directory written to the disc, older systems look only for 'the' directory, not taking multiple directories into account. Lex van Sonderen Philips Interactive Media " 4456,15,"From: david-s@hsr.no (David A. Sjoen) Subject: 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same? Organization: Rogaland University Centre Lines: 15 Are 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same magazine (name change in recent years)? If not: Could someone post the address to 'Moody Monthly'? :)avid -- __________________ ___________________________________________________ | David A. Sjoen |""My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they | | Gulaksveien 4 | follow me; and I give them life eternal; and they | | N-4017 STAVANGER | shall never perish, and no one shall seize them | | Norway | out of my hand."" John 10:27-29 | `------------------'---------------------------------------------------' E-MAIL: david-s@hsr.no (Rogaland University Centre, Norway) " 4457,17,"From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) Subject: Re: Facts about WTC Bombing Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 27 backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes: : In article <1pll52$sms@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: : >> WHO is Josie Hadas? : : : I see you didn't notice my recent posting. : : The FBI found that ""Josie Hadas"" was simply an alias taken by Salameh. : I have the sources for the information in the Chronology, including the NY Daily News of March 5 that reports the arrest of Josie Hadas and a copy of the foreign press reports of her release shortly afterwards. What is the source for your alias story? And pray tell me how can the FBI arrest and release an alias? : : >> WHAT is the relationship between that person and the Israeli mussad? : : Zilch, zero, nothing. Like the IQ of the idiot who posted this absurdity in the : first place. What has IQ to do with collecting information and putting it forward. Why has the FBI refused comment on the Guardian reporter's question about Hadas' link with Israeli Intelligence (the information did not mention the Mossad explicitly). " 4458,2,"From: mcglob@usissc.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian.McGloin) Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? Reply-To: mcglob@usissc.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian.McGloin) Organization: DaytonOH.NCR.COM Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr5.060929.7806@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: > >Well, the subject saysit all: does dos 6 do defragmentation?? > Yes, both dblspaced and non-dblspaced drives can be defragmented. I believe they use Norton's Speedisk. -- Brian T. McGloin | Lift your glasses, friend, with mine NCR Corp. | And raise your hand with me USG/ISS-OLS | I'm England stole, I'm Ireland spent Miamisburg, OH 45342 | I'm an outlawed rapparee " 4459,7,"From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 40 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Wharf Wrat rites: >They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the >exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge >Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. Ever' once in a while, you still see a reference to the super- slab system as ""Interstate and Defense Highways."" But whether the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is another matter. A few of their most whomped-up diesel trucks, maybe, load permitting. The military surplus stuff I've driven -- ""Jeep Classic"" (Willys/Kaiser/AMC, pre-independent suspension) and Power Wagons (Slant 6 in a crew-cab pickup) weren't exactly congenial at highway speeds, and I wouldn't swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi. You just gotta love the standard military tire, too, or at least the one they used to use. Designed circa WW II as a compromise between traction in icky sticky goo and longevity on sharp rocks and so forth, it's quite ill-adapted to high speeds on civilian roadways. For those who can't remember what they look like, imagine a mountain-bike tire with a road rib in the middle, scaled up to car size. Oh, yeah, and narrow too. One of the standard mods for civilizing a surplus Jeep was to install tires and wheels that reflected some of the advancements made in ride and handling since D-Day. But the point made by Wharfie and others still stands: if you're going to do 80 in a mil-spec '58 Power Wagon (or a Jeep or a tank transporter or other unwieldy rubber-tired vehicle) anywhere, I'd suggest the American interstate. Your safe speed there tends to be limited more by your car and skills, road maintenance, and the swarms of fools around you; the roads were designed for going like the devil. Naturally, neither I nor my employer advocates unsafe or unlawful driving. --Joe ""Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"" " 4460,12,"From: bps@ektools.kodak.com (Bruce P. Sidari) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Organization: Eastman Kodak Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.212629.1834@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: >In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and >> I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets >> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, >> the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground >> wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the >> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground >> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > >They are supposed to be connected together at the breaker panel... but nowhere, >repeat NOwhere, else. (Well, almost. There are strange exceptions for things >like sub-panels.) > > > --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA >Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 > Not even in sub panels! The only place the neutral should be connected to the ground is in a SERVICE DISCONNECT! In your house the ""main"" panel serves as the service disconnect. Sub panles in your garage or workshop for example must maintain seperate neutral and ground busses because they are not service disconnect equipment. Steve Woodard, KD2KQ - not a licensed electrician, but I can read the NEC book. (my brother is though) :) " 4461,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes: >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) >writes: >> >> >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible) >> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from >> the same hailstorm yet? >> >> Craig > > >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would >be about $10k. I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body. Craig > > >-- >-- > John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com > The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the > *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that > everyone *will* be happy. " 4462,11,From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Lines: 8 The protocol/key-management description published so far is either incomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system would actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that we get full details. Wouldn't it be easier just to ask denning@cs.georgetown.edu? ;-) G 4463,19,"From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: facman In response to: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten): I wrote: >>There evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with Mithras. I >>have often wondered if Yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to >>expand the appeal of his religion, or if it was appropriated by later >>worshipers. And you responded: >You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable >argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was >very similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very >Jewish ritual. Of course. The feast WAS the Seder, and the accounts of it are very clear on this point. The difference is the connection between the bread and wine and the body and blood of god. This is an old association of the Tammuz/Osiris/Mithras line, and not really related to Judaism. In any case, I didn't really intend to argue the point. I saw a possible association and pointed it out, but I haven't the foggiest notion what really happened. -- -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 " 4464,2,"From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ) Subject: Re: Searching for a phonetic font Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 23 weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes: : I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If : anybody knows one, please mail me! : : Thanks. : : dw : : : ################################################################## : Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 # : weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 # : Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: ""Koennten Sie das # : Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?"" << # Yes, I'm looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one, please mail me too! Thanks in advance Patrick Hudepohl VU Amsterdam The Netherlands " 4465,6,"From: am229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry S. Collins) Subject: SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE AND 486 33DX Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE. Purchased in August 1992. Latest version! Also willing to sell 486 33dx. 124mg hard drive. 17"" multi scan monitor. paid $11,000 for software and $2800 for computer. Also includes 1 yr maintanence contract that can be updated every year for apx. $950 per year. Make offer. Call 1 800 940-7874 or 216-941-7400 ask for Terry " 4466,10,"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar Subject: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu So what's the deal with Bill Wirtz? Apparently, the Blackhawks - St. Louis game was a standing room only sell out as usual, but the Hawks reported the attendace as 16,199. Gee, I wonder if Wirtz is planning to use this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of TV? What a schmuck. In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. Ralph " 4467,7,"Subject: apology (was Re: Did US drive on the left?) From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu Lines: 54 In a previous article, dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (""Daniel U. Holbrook"") says: >>i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down >>cattle trails and in wagon ruts. I am fairly sure that placement of the >>steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time..... > >By the 1920s, there was a very active ""good roads"" movement, which had >its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up >steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so, >and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916 >that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent >roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic >transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were >crucial to our national defense. Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty >of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly >expanding into the countryside. This was the era, after all, of the >first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good >books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco ""America on the >Road"" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called ""The Devil >Wagon in God's Country"" author I forget. Also, any of John Flink's or >John Bell Rae's auto histories. i'm sorry, as i have never heard of any of this. Guess they don't think it's important enough for a classroom, and i was going on what i've seen in pics.(some movies--real nice scource there, huh?) I just always recall thinking that GOOD roads of asphalt didn't come around til the Interstate Hiway Act, or whatever they called it(60's?), and that wood and cobblestone roads were fairly rare up through the depression, except in overpopulated places like England and US cities. Obviously netwisdom says i am wrong. >As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early >teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel >on the left. In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the >right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller >instead of a wheel. This was standardized fairly early on, though I >don't know why. i knew it was almost always done, but i knew of no reason that it might not be done the other way by DeSoto for their car. Seems like they had some other deviations from the norm too, at times :-) >Dan >dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu >Carnegie Mellon University >Applied History > >""World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we >can comprehend and prove it or not."" > Oswald Spengler thanx for corrrecting me, and again, i aplogize for harebraned post. DREW " 4468,7,"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 5 I just wanted to know: To wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the gear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw up the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here... " 4469,19,"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 112 In article <1993Apr15.231515.19982@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >In article , rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >|> >|> [earlier dialogue deleted] >|> >|> >|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating >|> >|> to questions of science. >|> >|> [it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells] >|> >|> > There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is >|> > based on more than science alone. >|> >|> Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle >|> why and who. > > The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the > supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise? Not entirely. Its not a premise, its a conclusion. Second, that scientists (for the most part) exlude the possibility is not a problem, its a necessity. Scientists are empircists, not theologians. > I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of > truth. So do scientists, and long before you did. Clearly you have a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of science. >|> >|> > If you met a man who could walk on >|> > water, raise people from the dead, claimed to be the Son of God, and >|> > then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures, this would affect >|> > your belief in the origin of man. (I can expand on this.) >|> >|> Nope, wouldn't affect my knowledge (not belief) of origins of anatomically >|> modern humans. If that man could show me something better, I'd change, even if >|> it was the biblical story in exact detail. But then I would ask, ""Why in the >|> world did your father endow us with intellect and reason, and then proceed to >|> fool us. I mean, the bible says nothing about the human-like creatures that we >|> know exist. > > Some of these so-called human-like creatures were apes. Some were > humans. Some were fancifully reconstructed from fragments. Absolutely and utterly false (except for some were AMHs). Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis, ca. 3 to 3.25 mya) is 40% complete, and about 80% taking into consideration bilateral symmetry. Lucy walked upright and bipedally, just like humans, and the two share a remarkably similar dental pattern. Her cranial morphology is unlike humans or modern apes. There are hundreds of other specimens of this and other species, of which only some are *partially* reconstructed. They exist Bill. You can touch them, feel them, hold them. But forget hominids. The earth, the universe, the cultural record all look and test out as ancient indeed. They are not reconstructions. Has God has tricked us here too? It won't go away, Bill. > >|> >|> I doubt any of us will meet a man like this. But, Bill, if your version of all >|> this is absolutely correct, I'm still no worried about my salvation. I'll >|> probaby make it (I don't steal, murder, covet, etc, and I like to help other >|> people). All I did was use the reason and intellect your god provided. >|> He or she - benevolent and loving - will understand my dilemma, don't you >|> think? > Good deeds do not justify a person in God's sight. > An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone for sin. So *you* and other fundamentalists say. What about the billions who don't say so? Beware of people who say they have the truth, Bill, and reconsider each time you think you do. >|> >|> > Science and >|> > the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the scientific >|> > ""laws"" as man understands them. Creation is a good example. God has the >|> > power to create something out of nothing, order out of chaos. >|> >|> Haven't been on t.o. long, but I have a feeling, Bill, that the veterans will >|> agree with you here. No contradiciton, and god *can* do anything at will. So, >|> what's the beef? (or more properly, ""where's"") > > My point: God is the creator. Look's like we agree. That was not your point, Bill. Your point above was God *has* the power .... Scientists generally agree with that. That's a far cry from saying God did. Please attempt to understand your own posts. >|> >|> > If the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the >|> > substance of the book, it must be a real laugher. Of course Jesus existed, >|> > and there are volumes of evidence to back it up. I can give many if you >|> > are interested. >|> >|> Its not a laugher, Bill. Its a scholarly book that many happen to disagree >|> with. I am definitely (and seriously) interested in confirmation. I know of >|> the bible, inferences therefrom (e.g., prophecies), apocrypha, the Koran and >|> others. What I am interested is independent evidence. Do you have any? I >|> know of Josephus, but this is almost certainly an insertion. Also I know of a >|> few Roman documents (e.g., Pliny), but these deal only with early Christians. >|> Do you have any independent evidence? I am most interested. Please Email or >|> post. Thanks, and best regards. > > I'll send you some info via e-mail. > Regards, Bill. I have your info, and I have replied - several days ago. Hope you have it. Somehow your post above appeared at my server only today. Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota " 4470,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 26 Peter Garfiel Freeman writes: >>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, >>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) >> >>Peace. >>-marc >Boy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does >not sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again, >get a brain. Peter, I think you are ridiculous here. Stupidity is not a measure of how well someone knows our judicial system. I guess Marc meant that he is against death penalty. But no matter what he meant, your statement not justified. Regards, Dorin " 4471,4,"From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi) Subject: Re: Educational Pricing/gray market Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI Lines: 17 eu> Apple does not authorise sales through Mail Order. As a result mail eu> order companies have to obtain their machines by the grey market. eu> eu> This market is supplied with machines from authorised resellers who eu> have more machines than they can sell. They come into this state of eu> affairs by overordering either accidentally or deliberatly to get a eu> better wholsale price from Apple. In either case they often obscure eu> the serial nunber to protect their identity. As a result the warranty eu> is void. I have ordered several Macs from different mail order companies with absolutely zero problem. You have to dig around to find the true gray market dealers that sell Macs with authentic serial numbers untouched. There are value-added dealers (nothing to do with VAT, no flame please) that are very legitimate. CDA unfortunately is one of those that replace the serial number with their own to prevent Apple from tracing which authorized dealer sold that machine to CDA. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org " 4472,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 85 04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES By David Ljunggren MOSCOW, April 16, Reuter - Armenia accused Turkey on Friday of flying weapons x and troops across Armenian airspace to Azerbaijan and strongly hinted it might try to shoot the planes down, local journalists in Yerevan said. Separately, Itar-Tass news agency said Armenian forces had halted their latest offensive which has swallowed up one-tenth of Azerbaijan and sent tensions in the Transcaucasian region soaring. The journalists in the Armenian capital quoted Armen Duliyan, head of the Armenian defence ministry press centre, as saying Ankara had been sending planes up to 15 times a day to Azerbaijan with arms and troops. It looks as though the Armenian leadership will have to warn Turkey about the impermissibility of such actions,"" the journalists quoted Duliyan as saying. ""If such steps are pursued in the future we will have recourse to appropriate measures. We have all the necessary means, including modern anti-aircraft units."" Turkey, which shares a border with Armenia, has supported Azerbaijan in the conflict over the mainly Armenian-populated Nagorno-Karabakh region in which more than 2,500 people have been killed since fighting erupted in 1988. The Turkish foreign ministry said on Friday it had so far sent one plane to Azerbaijan containing humanitarian aid. A Turkish foreign ministry spokesman on Thursday would not comment directly on a report by Hurriyet newspaper that a first consignment of rockets, rocket launchers, ammunition and light weapons had arrived in Azerbaijan from Turkey. Duliyan said Turkey had been sending up to 30 trucks a day carrying troops and arms to the bordering Azeri autonomous territory of Nakhichevan, from where they were flown across Armenian airspace to the Azeri capital Baku. ""All the responsibility for possible consequences will be borne by the country which is affording military assistance over our airspace,"" he said. Armenia denies any formal role in the conflict, saying that the troops involved in the fighting are from the enclave itself. Tass said the Karabakh forces decided on Friday to suspend their offensive along the entire Armenian-Azerbaijani front. ""The Karabakh authorities are reportedly ready to give independent inspectors a chance to see for themselves on the spot that the (enclave's) leadership is striving to achieve a ceasefire,"" the agency said. Armenian President Levon Ter-Petrosyan called for a two-stage ceasefire in Karabakh when he arrived in the Belarus capital Minsk on Friday for a summit of Commonwealth leaders. ""The first stage of the settlement should involve a ceasefire and securing the protection of the Karabakh population,"" Tass quoted him as saying. At least 10 ceasefires have been brokered in the conflict but all have collapsed. ""The second stage should involve discussing and finding a solution to the legal issues: that is, a clarification of the status of Nagorno-Karabakh,"" he said. The republic declared full independence last year but the move has not been recognised by any other country. Armenia insists that a separate Karabakh delegation should take part in future peace talks, something Azerbaijan rejects. Local news agencies in Baku said on Friday that Interior Minister Iskender Gamidov, a fiery nationalist and hardliner in the territorial dispute with Armenia, had resigned. Turan news agency said he quit on Thursday and had cleared his office. Khabar-Servis agency said he would be replaced by the military commandant of Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official confirmation. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 4473,5,"From: pjaques@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK (Paul Jaques) Subject: Polygon to raster converter required Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Can anybody tell me if they know where I can obtain the source code for a polygon filling algorithm, or any other graphics orientated mailing lists that may be able to help me. Thanks, Paul. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Jaques | | Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, | | Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. | | E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4474,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector ??? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr10.013011.808@lrc.edu>, burnside_br@lrc.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr6.225034.7184@opencon.com>, giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gia nchandani) writes: >> Mubashir Cheema: >> >> Don't buy one, that is the best way to avoid tickets, >> I used to have one and whenever a cop would pull me over, see >> the thing, give me a ticket. One time my sister was driving, >> and had it in the glove compartment, it was broken, and she >> got a ticket. In 1987, I had received 4 tickets because of >> it, one for my sister (so a total of five). >> >> That was five years ago, now I don't have one and Have not >> gotten a ticket. My driving habits have not changed >> drastically. Only two days ago I was going 77 MPH on Highway >> with 55 MPH limit, cop saw me, I break a little, nothing >> happened (I was driving a Mini-Van, with my family in it). >> Otherwise, I have Cutlass Supreme, which I do 70 most of the >> times on the highway. >> >> So basically my opnion is not to get one, if you do get pulled >> over, The cop will hear your excuse, but if you have a radar >> detecter, he will NOT. (again, this has been my experienc > > >Just get a remote model that is not visible to the cop. But, be sure to get >front AND rear sensors... > You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from. It also gives the amount of ""threats"" it is picking up, so if you go through the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the number of ""threats"" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop. It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem. Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- " 4475,15,"From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 60 In article dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: >In article , > > Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference >between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e. >regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an >absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance? > They sound like one and the same to me. > Pixie > > > p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >it blindly? Why do we follow God so blindly? Have you ever asked a physically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog? The answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person cannot. I acknowledge, as a Christian, that I am blind. I see, but I see illusions as well as reality. (Watched TV lately?) I hear, but I hear lies as well as truth. (Listen to your radio or read a newspaper.) Remember, all that tastes well is not healthy. So, I rely one the one who can see, hear, and taste everything, and knows what is real, and what is not. That is God. Of course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses, how do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or a lie. That is why we need faith to be saved. We must force ourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us enough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think we know. Why would He have created us if He did not love us enough to help us through this world? I also do trust my experiences to some extent. When I do things that defy the seeming logic of my experience, because it is what my Father commands me to do, and I see the results in the long term, I find that He has led me in the proper direction, even though it did not feel right at the time. This is where our works as Christians are important: As exercises of the body make the body strong, excercises of faith make the faith strong. As for you, no one can ""convert"" you. You must choose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to follow Him. All we as Christians wish to do is share with you the love we have received from God. If you reject that, we have to accept your decision, although we always keep the offer open to you. If you really want to find out why we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try praying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians about their experiences personally. Then you may grow to understand why we believe what we do, in defiance of the logic of this world. May the Lord bring peace to you, Malcusco " 4476,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Lines: 10 : Does Dorothy Denning read this group? If not, is someone on the group : forwarding questions like these to her, or Martin Hellman, or anyone else : who's seen more details about the chip? Of course she does; it's just she's been toasted so often for being an NSA patsy that she's keeping her head down. You can always mail her directly as denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu, denning@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu or denning@cs.georgetown.edu G " 4477,2,"From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 40 ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? Try this: flip your mouse over, and open up the cover that holds the mouse ball in place. Remove the ball, and inside you should see (probably) 3 rollers. If any of the rollers have a tiny layer of caked-on dirt, dust, or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them, carefully scrape it off with a small knife (Xacto works great). *Be Careful* You do not want to gauge the rollers, just clean off the dirt. Put the ball back in, put the cover on, and there you are. I clean a couple of dozen of these every month here. Another symptom is that when you move the mouse, it seems to ""click"" along. If this doesn't solve your problem, at least you have a clean mouse. I highly recommend using a proper _soft_ mouse pad, and if you are a clean freak, place it in your drawer every night or when you don't use it to keep the dust off. Personally I prefer track balls. Oh, which brings me to another point: if your mouse or trackball tracks optically, and the sunlight is streaming through the window onto your mouse/trackball, you may notice that it will stop working. If this happens to you, close the curtains or blinds, or simply shade your pointing device, and see if that helps. -- Peter Goudswaard _________ _________ goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | | pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | | pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | | | | > < | | ""There's no gift like the present"" | >_________< | | - Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________| " 4478,7,"From: mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: usa Lines: 12 We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications. In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from the exhaust gas. Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology. Max -- Max G Q Lu, PhD | Internet: mgqlu@ntu.ac.sg Division of Thermal Enginerring | Bitnet: mgqlu@ntuvax.bitnet School of MPE, Nanyang Technological University | Phone: (65) 7994818 Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 2263 | Fax: (65) 7911859 " 4479,3,"From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian) Subject: Question about FastMicro Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 6 I thought I read that FastMicro was having some financial difficulties, is this true? I can't seem to find the posting about it and was wondering if someone can confirm this. Thanks, Eric Sebastian " 4480,14,"From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) Subject: Re: Sr-71 in propoganda films? Nntp-Posting-Host: ra Organization: Texas Instruments Distribution: sci Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr5.220610.1532@sequent.com>, bigfoot@sequent.com (Gregory Smith) writes: |> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: |> |> >In <1phv98$jbk@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |> |> |> >>THe SR-71 stopped being a real secret by the mid 70's. |> >>I had a friend in high school who had a poster with it's picture. |> |> >It was known well before that. I built a model of it sometime in the |> >mid 60's, billed as YF-12A/SR-71. The model was based on YF-12A specs |> >and had a big radar in the nose and 8 AAMs in closed bays on the |> >underside of the fuselage. The description, even then, read ""speeds |> >in excess of Mach 3 at altitudes exceeding 80,000 feet."" |> |> L.B.J. publically announced the existance of the Blackbird program |> in 1964. He's also the one who dubbed it the SR-71 - it was the RS-71 until LBJ mippselled (sic) it. FWIW, Doug Page *** The opinions are mine (maybe), and don't necessarily represent those *** *** of my employer. *** " 4481,4,"From: ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt Tiedtke) Subject: comparative SCSI performance Article-I.D.: news.C51zDM.BF5 Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 Lines: 8 Could someone direct me to information on SCSI performance for each Mac? (Max throughput, etc.) Kurt Tiedtke ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu Please email. Thanks! " 4482,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 35 In article eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) writes: > > But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just >roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the >Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if >this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from >NSA.) This won't work if there is a checksum on the keys you don't know about. Neither will registering a clipper chip and then substituting a ""counterfeit"" one if the serial number contains a checksum. Chances are the government has thought of this, and ""just anyone"" won't be permitted access to enough of the internals to make a ""fake"" clipper chip. Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level. While not perfect, it would prevent Joe Hacker from rolling his own spoofing chip, since not many counterfeiters can survive a background investigation. Some of the more notorious self-styled dissidents here, for example, have already got their heads so high above the tall grass that they'd have little chance of getting a clearance. Of course it's not impossible that someone do this, but probably extremely difficult. Chances are there will also be very heavy criminal penalties for phony clipper chips, on some national security/classified info grounds or other, thus making the game not worth the candle. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 4483,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: My predictions Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 79 Smythe Division --------------- Vancouver vs. Winnipeg - Jets in 7 The Jets have played the Canucks tough the last three games. Everyone is healthy for the Jets. I'm biased. :) Calgary vs. Los Angeles - Flames in 6 From what I have seen, the Kings have looked flat lately. I just can't see them getting by the Flames. Final- Jets in 6. The Jets haven't lost to the Flames in '93. They will, but it will be a close series that will come down to how well Roberts has recovered. I don't think he'll be 100%, and while it will help, it won't be enough. Norris Division --------------- Chicago vs. St. Louis/Minnesota Chicago in 6 against the Blues, 7 against the Stars. Detroit vs. Toronto - Wings in 6. The Wings should be able to shutdown Gilmour and Andreychuk. Chelvadae is more experienced than Potvin. Final - Hawks in 7. Brutal series. Probert and Chelios will go at it. Belfour is better than Chelvadae, IMHO. Conference Final - Hawks in 6. It hurts, but the Hawks are more experienced, and that will carry them through to the final. Prince of Wales Conference -------------------------- Adams Division -------------- Boston vs. Buffalo - Bruins in 6. B's can check, Juneau is darn good, and Neely. The Sabres rely too much on Lafontaine and Mogilny. Quebec vs. Montreal - Montreal in 7. Classic battle, the inexperience will hurt the Nords, this year. Final - Bruins in 5. Habs will be hurting from their series with the Nords, and Boston has been able to control the scorers on the Habs. Patrick Division ---------------- Pittsburgh vs Islanders/Devils - Pens in 5. One word. Mario. Washington vs. Devils/Islanders - Caps in 6 / Devils in 7. I think the Caps can beat the Isles, but not the Devils. Tabaracci has been strong in goal, and if he plays like last year, he could carry the team. It doesn't matter, though. Final - Pens in 5. Two more words. Stevens. Jagr. Cup Final - Pens in 6. Three last words. Tocchet. Murphy. Barrasso. The only thing I don't like about this is that the Pens woofers are going to be out in full force again. (I don't mean the regular Penguin fans...it's just like the bunch around here that if these predictions are true will post like nuts while the Jets are winning, but we won't hear from again when they lose.) (Oh yeah...next year's Cup prediction...Jets in 7 over the Nords.) Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 4484,10,"From: 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Acadia University Lines: 17 lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes: >In article stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes: >Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the >newsgroup header next time before posting! >Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada > lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Actually Steve, I think he was refering to the Leafs, and when they can be expected to hit the greens... -- ACADIA AXEMEN! CIAU CHAMPIONS, 1993! Donald.Smith@dragon.acadiau.ca " 4485,8,"From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) Subject: Re: This just in . . . . Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca Keywords: C-sharp News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr2.144102.7445@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes... >In article <1993Apr01.155407.11314@i88.isc.com> > jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: >>In article <1993Mar31.175023.18928@rchland.ibm.com> >> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes: >>>>sampled recently were using unauthorized software, the Inspector General >>>>said in a new report. >>The Inspector General? >>Make way, for His Excellency, The Inspector General! >>(...Hail, hail to Brodney, to the sky...) >Behold the Lord High Executioner... >no, that's something else. I've already discussed this in e-mail with Jonathan. It's the film ""The Inspector General"" [:-)], with Danny Kaye, although I can't quote the name of the leading lady (Because Maltin doesn't :-(). Jonathan thinks there was an earlier Russian film; ""Movies on TV"" just says it was based on a Gogol (Yes, Jonathan, I looked it up again -- only two o's) story. Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 ""You Porsche. Me pass!"" DoD #484 " 4486,17,"From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Lines: 6 The fact that Israel is already discussing with some Palestinians what the composition of the armed Palestinian Police Force in the territories will be during the transition phase indicates some real solid concessions and liberal thinking on the part of the Israeli side. -- Chris Metcalfe " 4487,12,"From: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) Subject: WANTED: TCM3105 chips, small quantities Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) Keywords: rec mod Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Lines: 29 From: payne@crl.dec.com (Andrew Payne) Message-ID: <1993Apr20.004418.11548@crl.dec.com> Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:44:18 GMT Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc. For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so). I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits. Any suggestions? -- Andrew C. Payne DEC Cambridge Research Lab --- . R110B:Wnet HAL_9000 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 4488,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: The state of justice Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr16.131041.8660@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: >In article <1qksa4INNi7m@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >> What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at >> the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics, >> emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the >> first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and >> forgot to call all of your witnesses. > > They are two witnesses who didn't come forth until after the first >trial. While it would be ""tough luck"" for GM if they new about these witnesses >beforehand, IMO this constitutes ""new evidence"". The test isn't whether GM knew--otherwise that would reward GM for its stupidity. The test is whether GM reasonably should have known of their existence. It works both ways--if GM had won the trial, and the plaintiff turned up two witnesses who came forward after the first trial who should have been located beforehand, too bad, so sad--no new trial. Like Tim said, you don't get a new civil trial because you screwed up the first time around. Unlike the criminal justice system, repose is much more important in the civil justice system. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 4489,9,"From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) Subject: Re: Binaca Blast Deep Drive Derby (BBDDD) Returns Article-I.D.: network.1psmbr$qi Distribution: na Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu The Engimatic Vincent Gray writes: >king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) writes: >> >> Even less publicized than this, however, was that the $300,000 >> didn't come from the Padres, but from an un-named source, and that the >> money didn't go to the Blue Jays. In Toronto, the money was diverted >> into a London bank account owned by a shadowy character named Vincent >> Gray. > >I should be so lucky: the account number must have been rejected! :-) Oh, come on. Everybody on the net has heard about ""plausible deniability"". You're not fooling anybody. >> Soon after that, Gray and Palmer sent word to Ottawa that Canada had >> achieved absolute superiority over the United States in the field of >> baseballistic research, as she controlled both the Acker-Cook >> Pitch-Alike Contest and the Binaca Blast Research Institute. The Prime >> Minister smiled. > >I hope not. To think that I would inadvertantly give any pleasure to >Mulroney _really_ ruins my day. Note how quick Vince was to make the inference that my post claimed that Mulroney was smiling at the baseballistics news. This sure looks like guilty knowledge to me... >Realizing the taterific importance of this work, John Palmer and I >concluded that we might be able to pool some resources. ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ I.e., the $300 grand. >Who will be the stars this year? Can anyone hope to combat Brad >Arnsberg's record start to last year? The early money has to be on ""Tom Tom"" Bolton, who contributed that clutch grandslam in his first appearance. But I expect lots of strong contenders this year, many of them right here in San Diego. jking " 4490,12,From: alee@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Need to find out number to a phone line Lines: 13 Greetings! Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't know the number of the line. And I don't want to call up the operator to place a trace on it. Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can use to find out the number to the line? Thanks for any response. Al 4491,6,"From: TTR2+@PITT.EDU (Tod Treganowan) Subject: For Sale: UREI 527A 27-band Equalizer Organization: Pitt Lines: 15 I have a UREI 527A 27-band (mono) Equilizer for sale. Anyone who knows this unit knows it's been a recording studio standard for years. It's a pretty straightforward unit, with balanced ins and outs. Power supply caps were recently replaced, and I added XLR connectors (which can be easily removed if you prefer, as I mounted them on a bracket outside the case). The unit is in good shape, and is sonically very clean. I'm asking $225 + UPS shipping. They're going for $250 generally. Make me an offer. Tod Treganowan Computing and Information Services University of Pittsburgh (412) 624-6115 @work, 371-0154 @home " 4492,15,From: bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) Subject: Need a book Lines: 4 I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance. Please reply by e-mail at 4493,18,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Trickle down (Was: 1937 was: Dan Quayle, genius Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 36 garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >rn11195@medtronic.COM (Robert Nehls) writes... >>Jason K. Schechner (jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote: >>: In article <1pf22mINNd7c@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes: >>: >What decade did you live in? Unemployment dropped during the 80's, >>: >inflation dropped during the 80's and interest rates dropped during >>: >the 80's. >>: This all may be true, but we're paying for it now, through the >>: nose. Our current recession (and some would argue the world's ^^^^^^^^^ >>First off, we're not in a recession. We've had a record number of months of >>straight economic growth. Even the democrats are admitting that the >>recession ofcicially ended in March of 1991. >This months's unemployment rate in California was 9.4% >Sure feels like a recession to me. Maybe we should ask the 83,103 people who were laid off this January whether or not we're in a recession. That was a figure that was reported in the New York Times. There is no official figure, because the Bureau of Labor Statistics stopped government tracking of layoffs eight months ago due to budget cuts. (The above information was published in Harper's Index, Harper's magazine.) ----- Eric Smith | The day Dan Quayle is our President is the day erics@netcom.com | Shelley Winters runs with the bulls in Pamplona. erics@infoserv.com | - Dennis Miller CI$: 70262,3610 | " 4494,7,From: wl@cypress.com (Wilbur Luo/COMM) Subject: Heard of these South Bay shops? Originator: wl@coast Nntp-Posting-Host: coast Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Distribution: ba Lines: 13 I need to bring on my VW Corrado for body work (I got hit). I was wondering if anyone has heard of any of these South Bay body shops: Akins Collision Center of Santa Clara - on Reed St Auto West Collision - in San Jose Los Gatos Acura Royal Auto Body - in Sunnyvale Thanks! -W 4495,11,"From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 26 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: >The President has approved a directive on ""Public Encryption >Management."" The directive provides for the following: [...] >When >exported abroad, it can be used to thwart foreign intelligence >activities critical to our national interests. [...] >The Attorney General of the United States, or her representative, >shall request manufacturers of communications hardware which >incorporates encryption to install the U.S. government-developed >key-escrow microcircuits in their products. Quite interesting. How does the US administration intend to persuade non - US governments to let the NSA eavesdrop on them? Or should U.S. companies install these chips in communication systems sold abroad without the customer's knowedge or consent, or not at all? -- Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. " 4496,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Article-I.D.: shelley.1r4cucINNham Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr19.231050.2196@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) writes: >Brian Day (bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote: >: On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector >: in the state of Virginia. If one got caught, one got fined $65.00. >The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to >operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including >X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States. And the Commonwealth of Virginia has not exactly butted against the issue on those grounds. The claim is that AS A MATTER OF TRAFFIC SAFETY one is not allowed to have a functioning radar detector on the dashboard while operating a motor vehicle. Yes, the argument is bogus, BUT... it hasn't been successfully challenged in court. Yet. John Whitmore " 4497,14,"From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Space Advertising (2 of 2) X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 82 Two developments have brought these type of activities back to the forefront in 1993. First, in February, the Russians deployed a 20-m reflector from a Progress vehicle after it had departed from the Mir Space Station. While this ""Banner"" reflector was blank, NPO Energia was very active in reporting that future Banner reflectors will be available to advertisers, who could use a space- based video of their logo or ad printed on the Banner in a TV commercial, as filmed from the Mir. The second development, has been that Space Marketing Inc, the same company responsible for merchandising space on the Conestoga booster and COMET spacecraft, is now pushing the ""Environmental Billboard"". As laid out by SMI Chief Engineer Dr Ron Humble of the University of Colorado Space Laboratory and Preston Carter of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the ""Environmental Billboard"" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to 804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area, deployed by the inflatable 'frame'. To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry ""ozone reading sensors"" to ""continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's delicate protective ozone layer,"" according to Mike Lawson, head of SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere. According to IMI, ""as the biodegradable material burns, it will release ozone-building components that will literally replenish the ozone layer."" The remaining spacecraft will monitor the atmosphere for another year before it, too, re-enters and burns up and ""adds to the ozone supply."" This would not be a cheap advertisement, costing at least several millions of dollars (exact costs were not available). But SMI estimates that market exposure would be 3-5X that of the people who watched the SuperBowl, where a 30-second advertising 'unit' cost $600,000. Since SMI is located in Atlanta, Georgia, it is being promoted as being available in time for the opening of the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. But back to Brian's questions: >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild >idea"" stage or does it have real funding? See above. As for serious -- if they can get $15-20 M or so (my estimate of $5-10 for development costs and a flight unit, plus $10-15 M for a launch), then it's probably real. They are claiming to tailor the orbit to overfly specific locations at specific times for optimum advertising impact so they probably can't piggy back upon someone else's planned launch and will have to buy a dedicated launch. That's a $10-15 M cost they need to raise, right there. And there will probably be some legal challenges to this as well. Note there is one potential legal challenge to SMI on the use of launch vehicle advertising already. While I don't think the legal challenges would win out (and yes, I am an amateur astronomer, and no, I don't really like the idea of this additional light pollution, but I know of no prohibition of it...), the legal challenges and court fights would probably remove any positive aspects of the advertising. I can imagine several ways to make the advertisers look like louts for doing this -- which would change positive market exposure to negative market exposure, and negate the space advertising advantage. (Would you spend $15 M to look like an idiot?) (And light pollution might not be too bad -- if it's in a low enough orbit, and it relies upon reflected light only, it would only be visible for a short time just after local dusk and before dawn. For maximum market exposure, you want to have it visible just after dusk --minimizing impact on astronomy, since that's the time of worse seeing due to day/night thermal turbulence. It might still be a problem, but perhaps there are ways to mitigate this...) As for having real funding -- none that I can identify. There were about 60 expressions of interest made on the Conestoga advertising opportunity, but that included curious folks and was for only a $500,000 commitment. I haven't heard of any serious funding for this, but I'm sure they are shopping the venture around looking for some money in order to flesh out the concept some more. But I am confident there are no firm or paying customers at this time. And if anybody wants to cross-post this to sci.astro, please be my guest. I don't have posting privileges to that area (or at least I don't THINK I do...). ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor --- Maximus 2.01wb " 4498,11,"From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: >Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of >encryption. True, but will traditional encryptions schemes, when further encrypted by Clipper, be _more_ vulnerable to attacks such as partially known plaintext? -Thomas " 4499,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 14 In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >most likely explanation for events. You forgot the smiley-face. I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me you're an aberration. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 4500,15,"From: mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Marc Chamberland) Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 17 In article , fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) writes: > [Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used > the phrase ""God-shaped hole"". --clh] > > ""There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us"" (or something to that effect) is > generally attributed to Blaise Pascal. I believe this is a just another of way of expressing the basic truth ""All things were created by him and FOR him."" (emphasis mine) Col. 1:16 , Rev. 4:11. If you and I have been created for God, naturally there will be a vacuum if God is not our all and all. In fact, the first chapter of Collosians brings out this status of Christ, that He should have the preeminence. When you life is alligned with Him, and you do His will, then the vacuum is filled. Marc Chamberland mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca " 4501,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 36 atboyken@iastate.edu (Aaron T Boyken) writes: > >Here's a question: what if, instead of a true VAT, the federal >government imposed a sales tax of say 2-3%? The tax would only >be paid on retail sales (thus not building up at all levels of >production costs that are just passed on to consumers anyway), >and would only go to reducing the deficit. (I know that this >would never happen, but it seems a lot more palettable than >a VAT). Canada's GST is collected as a sales tax and is considered a VAT. Funnily, the previous hidden wholesale tax that it replaces was never referred to as a tax (or, people never paid mind to it, thus the uproar when it was brought up front as the GST --- one party has actually campaigned on hiding the tax again). The stated intent of the Tories was to use the GST to write down our deficit. Unfortunately, their legislation didn't include any mechanism for disbursing the collected funds in such a manner and the money is now sitting in escrow. I don't know what is involved in releasing the funds, but one dilemna is that the Tories are not fiscal conservatives themselves though while taxing and spending, they've made moves to apply the breaks to a runaway locomotive by the end of this time --- the end of their second term (~9 years). While they do have chances of getting a third term, catching up in the polls to their more moderate/slightly leftish pro-business rivals, the Liberals (as in Euro/UK), the Tories' heir-apparent for the leaders' mantle has been termed a clone of Hillary Clinton ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 4502,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1993Apr16.141204.21479@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: |> |> |> BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters |> stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan |> River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows |> into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken. The Litani river flows in a west-southwestern direction and indeed does not run through the buffer zone. The Hasbani does flow into the Jordan but contrary to what our imaginative poster might write, there has been no increase in the inflow from this river that is not proportional to climatic changes in rainfall. |> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 4503,12,"From: schellew@wu2.wl.aecl.ca (Wayne Schellekens) Subject: WANTED: DRAM Controller for use with MC68HC16 Keywords: DRAM, HC16 Nntp-Posting-Host: wu2.wl.aecl.ca Organization: AECL Research, Whiteshell Laboratories Distribution: na Lines: 25 For an upcoming project I want to use 4 Megs of DRAM configured as two 2 Meg banks of 16 bit data. I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a DRAM controller which will handle refreshing the data. It's ok if the controller doesn't handle bank switching - that part is easy. The only controllers I know of are the ones out of the National Semiconductor DRAM Management Handbook (1988 edition) eg. DP8429. I would like to know if another manufacturer produces one which may be easier to implement in my circuit. BTW, if anyone is wanting to hook up DRAM to a microcontroller, Dallas Semiconductor makes a neat chip: the DS1262 Serial DRAM Nonvolatizer Chip. It uses the SPI (I2C) bus and refreshes/controls up to 16Mx1 of DRAM memory. It can use an external battery to refresh the DRAM when the power is off. Price is $11.75 from Dallas (quan 1). I wish I could use this chip but its maximum SPI clock rate is 1 MHz (too slow for me...). Thanks in advance, Wayne Schellekens -- Wayne Schellekens, VE4WTS Internet: schellew@wu2.wl.aecl.ca AECL Research AX.25: VE4WTS@VE4KV.#WPG.MB.CAN Whiteshell Laboratories Twisted pair: (204)753-2311 x2317 " 4504,7,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Lines: 28 In article <1ql178INN51q@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle >>Vision and Dodge Intrepid. >>at a competitive price. ... >> >>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, >>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out >>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing > > >""Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."" >-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science > Wrong. I got two points, which were the 100% sample space on the show floor. By the previous quote, I guess I may drow a determinstic line? > >Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza >have demonstrated the ""falling door seals"" problem. > As unfair as it may seem, the difference between Chrysler and Toyota is that Chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars. Toyota can afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image. After all, door seal failing on a 6-year old Stanza is not comparable to the same problem on a brand new Intreprid. Jason Chen " 4505,15,"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 58 a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz Faris) writes: >Helllo Netters: >I was told the Bible says that God took the body of the Virgin Mary as >she was being carried for burial. Is this true, if so were in the Bible >does it say that. >Regards, >A.Faris >[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] Again I find myself wanting to respond to a posting and having neither the time nor the proper materials with me (you would think I would learn my lesson by now--but I'm trying to finish writing my Thesis and don't have tons of time. Anyway...) The basis for our (the catholic church's) belief in the assumption of Mary, body and soul, into heaven is that, to put it simply, the apostles and all the early generation Christians believed it. In fact, throughout their ministry the apostles kept in close contact with Mary, and 11 of the 12 were present when she died. Only Thomas was missing--when he arrived several days later, he asked to be shown her body, and moved with pity, Peter and several of the other apostles brought him to her tomb. When they arrived the seal was still unbroken. They broke the seal, entered, and the body was missing. There was no sign that anyone had entered, forcibly or otherwise, and everything else was laid out exactly as it had been left. The apostles present all believed that Mary was assumed into heaven--and the apostles TAUGHT this in their preaching (of course, this does not appear in any of the texts currently considered part of the bible, but it does appear in other writings left behind by several of them.) Basicaly, as an apostolic church (ie. founded by the apostles), we believe that the teachings of the apostles, whether written down in the bible or written down in other sources, is true, providing that the authenticity of those other sources can be confirmed. At least in the case of the assumption of Mary, the authenticity is quite clear. Hope this helps--I would welcome anyone who has more information to add to what I've said. - Mike Walker mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Univ. of Illinois) ] " 4506,13,"From: kxgst1@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Contraceptive pill Article-I.D.: blue.7984 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] jec@watson.ibm.com wrote: : A very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive : pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to : fall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the : ovule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine : pregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian : tube ? Actually that is not how the pill works, but it *is* how the IUD works. The oral contraceptive pill actually *prevents* ovulation from occuring by providing negatve feedback to the pituitary gland, and thus preventing the LH surge that normally occurs at the time of ovulation. With the IUD what happens is that fertilization may occur, but the device prevents implantation within the wall of the uterus (*not* the vagina). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 4507,12,"From: wout@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (Wout Serdijn) Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Nntp-Posting-Host: duteela.et.tudelft.nl Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 43 In <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes: >I was looking at the amps diagram for Sony 1090/2090 receivers, and I >was amazed to find a difference between the US and Canadian model >on the capacitor(s) that hangs off the output to the speakers: > ------\/\/\----- to speaker (identical both models >from amp ---------------| >(idnetical both models) > > < 10 > > > | > ----- > | | > 0.022 --- --- Canadian model only! > US model --- --- 0.047 > and world-wide | | > model only. | --- Candian model only! > | --- 0.047 > | | > ----------- gound >The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The >US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. >How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps >(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). >Please explain this > Michael Golan > mg@cs.princeton.edu The only explanation I can think of is that two capacitors in series can handle twice the output voltage. Sometimes two elco's in antiseries (you know, positive sides facing eachother) are used to obtain a large capacitor that can handle positive and negative voltages as well. So there probably is no design-philosophical reason, but a production-cost one. Best 73's Wouter " 4508,13,"From: SASTLS@MVS.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com>, dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes: > > The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: >1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might > have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with > it or actually having this disorder ) and >2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated > with seizures over the internet. I tried to e-mail you but it bounced back. Please e-mail me and I will give you someone's name who might be very helpful. You might also post your message to misc.kids. TAMARA sastls@mvs.sas.com " 4509,11,"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr4.221640.8104@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: >I guess we will have to wait for the time in the far future >when everyone uses such good crypto that the NSA has no job. Then the >agency will be disbanded and its files opened after the approprate >historical delay. ;) You've overlooked a fundamental Truth: both headcount and budget of any government agency are monotonic increasing functions. Given that Truth, you need to look for what the agency can do to occupy all those people and spend all that money when crypto is unbreakable. Perhaps they could talk the world's telephone companies into making equipment they could break into and tap. Maybe they could convince people that distributed computing was a good idea so that even the internal state of a process would be available for access by wiretapping. Maybe.... -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 " 4510,4,"From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Need help installing a simms in 700, quick! Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 5 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 19:44:11 GMT Could someone please send instructions for installing simms and vram to jmk13@po.cwru.edu? He's just gotten his 700 and wants to drop in some extra simms and vram that he has for it. Thanks... and don't reply to me, reply to jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joe) " 4511,9,From: mcdowell@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (James M McDowell) Subject: Texas Ranger Ticket Info Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 4 Would someone please give me the address for Texas Ranger ticket orders. Thanks very much. Jim 4512,4,"From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) Subject: New Duo Dock With Processor: Here's Why Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Well folks, after some thought the answer struck me flat in the face: ""Why would Apple release a Duo Dock with a processor of its own?"" Here's why- People have hounded Apple for a notebook with a 68040 processor in it. Apple can't deliver that right now because the 040 saps too much power, radiates far too much heat, and is too large for a notebook. How does one get around that without designing a new chipset? Use existing PowerBook technology to your best advantage. The Duo Dock gives Apple a unique ability to give users that 040 power in a ""Semi-Portable"" fashion. By plunking the 040 into the Dock, you've got ""quadra"" power at your desk. On the road, that 33mhz 68030 should be able to handle most of your needs. Okay, not the BEST solution, but its an answer to a no-win situation. :-) So, does this mean one will be able to use the PowerBook's processor in parallel to the dock's processor? Okay, we're getting REALLY hypothetical now... -- Travis Grundke | MacGames Digest- Your #1 Source for Information, Contributing Editor, | News & Reviews of Gaming Software and the Gaming MacGames Digest | Industry in the Macintosh Community. Reply an780@cleveland.freenet.Edu | For More Information on MacGames Digest. " 4513,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: powerful ""similarity"" too Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 44 I've been asked to supply more specific directions for automated fetching of the source and documentation for ""agrep,"" the powerful similarity pattern matching tool. It is at cs.arizona.edu 192.12.69.5 in directory /agrep/README /agrep/agrep-2.04.tar.Z /agrep/agrep.ps.1.Z /agrep/agrep.ps.2.Z (The .ps suffixed files are the optional postscript docs; a reasonably good research report with benchmarks is included.) Note for Macintosh MPW users: after a few hours of drudgery, I ported the tool to MPW 3.2.3 running under System 7.1. If you would like me to e-mail a binhexed copy of the tool suitable for dropping in to your MPW/tools folder, please write... Other than the more purely cryptographic uses for the tool I've been having lots of fun picking up the ""lost"" references to things I'm interested in. For example, starting a search like: agrep -1 -i 'Burning Chrome' cyberpunkspool immediately finds references like 'burning crome' that I have always missed before. See how many times John Gilmore's name is mentioned in the CUD archives (and how often misspelled). How about _your_ name? As usual, I will e-mail the uuencoded tar.Z upon request if you cannot do anonymous FTP. -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 4514,9,"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Baseball spreads? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In article <1993Apr18.225909.16116@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes: } How does one read the betting spreads for baseball? They tend to be something } like 8-9 which means it must not be runs! that spread means you bet $5 on the underdog to win $8, or $9 on the favorite to win $5. -*- charles " 4515,2,"From: maley@micro.cs.umn.edu (Michael P Maley) Subject: Re: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? Nntp-Posting-Host: micro.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 6 I look at zApp and really liked it. However, I think you should wait for version 2.0 (I think it will be out soon). Mike Maley maley@cs.umn.edu " 4516,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Weekly reminder for Frequently Asked Questions list Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 36 Distribution: world Expires: 7 May 1993 17:25:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu This notice will be posted weekly in sci.space, sci.astro, and sci.space.shuttle. The Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list for sci.space and sci.astro is posted approximately monthly. It also covers many questions that come up on sci.space.shuttle (for shuttle launch dates, see below). The FAQ is posted with a long expiration date, so a copy may be in your news spool directory (look at old articles in sci.space). If not, here are two ways to get a copy without waiting for the next posting: (1) If your machine is on the Internet, it can be obtained by anonymous FTP from the SPACE archive at ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) in directory pub/SPACE/FAQ. (2) Otherwise, send email to 'archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov' containing the single line: help The archive server will return directions on how to use it. To get an index of files in the FAQ directory, send email containing the lines: send space FAQ/Index send space FAQ/faq1 Use these files as a guide to which other files to retrieve to answer your questions. Shuttle launch dates are posted by Ken Hollis periodically in sci.space.shuttle. A copy of his manifest is now available in the Ames archive in pub/SPACE/FAQ/manifest and may be requested from the email archive-server with 'send space FAQ/manifest'. Please get this document instead of posting requests for information on launches and landings. Do not post followups to this article; respond to the author. " 4517,14,"From: kjenks@jsc.nasa.gov (Ken Jenks [NASA]) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 40 kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Hey, that's me!) wrote: : I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining : one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in : Crystal City. [...] I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu. You can retrieve them from: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode01.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode02.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode03.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode04.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode05.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode06.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode07.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode08.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode09.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode10.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode11.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode12.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode13.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode14.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode15.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode16.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode17.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeA.gif ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeB.gif The last two are scanned color photos; the others are scanned briefing charts. These will be deleted by the ics.uci.edu system manager in a few days, so now's the time to grab them if you're interested. Sorry it took me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server, but it's out of space. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in the cradle forever."" -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky " 4518,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, 20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE. int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.} SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play program. " 4519,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >>The motto originated in the Star-Spangled Banner. Tell me that this has >>something to do with atheists. >The motto _on_coins_ originated as a McCarthyite smear which equated atheism >with Communism and called both unamerican. No it didn't. The motto has been on various coins since the Civil War. It was just required to be on *all* currency in the 50's. keith " 4520,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 191 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article , royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) >wrote: >> In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >> >In article , >> >sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... >> ... >> >>So are you happy now when 70+ people, including innocent kids, >> >>died today? >> >> It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other. >> One thing for sure: Koresh will have no chance to defend himself >> against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification) >> made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him. > >Frankly speaking I don't care who started this whole show. I just >feel sad about the children that were trapped, and had to die >for a case that didn't have any reason whatsoever. All Mr. >Koresh could have done would have been to release these 19 >children. COuld he? And the first three that died, when guns ablazing in came the BATF and FBI? I imagine I would have some trouble giving up my children to someone who had just shot -- what -- two of them? NB: It takes two sets of guns in a situation like this. > >Yes, I put the blame on Koresh and similar fanatical religious >leaders that think more about their cause than about keeping Fanatical: those whowill not tolerate another's way of life Religious: Based on emotional, internal, or otherwise lacking in commonly defined _scientific_ basis, including legal ones, such as this old saw: Innocent untilproven guilty not Innocent until presumed guilty Who is the fanatic? Note who is dead; this usually bespeaks a fair bit for the idea that the OTHER side also had lethal weapons, used fatally. They are dead: the children. At best Koresh was an asshole and the government criminally negligent in its hadni\ling of the case. At worst, Koresh and his followers were innocent not brainwashed guilty of illegal arms possession (as yet unproven) and murderedd along with 25 children They cannot speak for themselves Members of the (surviving, alive, and not burned to death) BATF/FBI can, and are inappropriately to the public eye outside the bounds of their legal authorities read the charter: the Constitution specifies that the COURTS convict, while the enforcement arm INVESTIGATES, and that the evidence involved shuld not be disseminated in a way to harm or injure a party involved prior to that action; its called slander or libel (even where factually true butthen distoted or disseminated with intent to harm for the purpose of covering their butts because the bottom line is: they SAID they wanted the kids to get out alive and theFBI, the BATF, Ms. Reno, the Prez, and EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS SICK SELFSERVING GROUP OF UPRIGHT ANIMALS that used to be a freedom loving peaceful country called America: look up the name, it might surprise you has turned the ""point the finger of blame"" on the OTHER guy. and LET THOSE KIDS DIE. Note well: they lived 51 days; they only died when attacked by outside force. SPock's World, Diane Duane: The spear in the heart of another is the spear in your own .... ALL of us are responsible. Iam; you are. The question is not whether, but how: Guess what: you get to make up your own mind on that. >children out from the war zone. I'm not ashamed of this statement. Who created the war zone? You should be ashamed of bypassing that. It's the same damned (Literally) comment made by the folks in the former Yugoslavia to justify Ethnic Cleansing: ""Gee, they had the guns, all they had to do was surrender"". > >To justify other means does not eliminate the fact that children >died for a cause that they should not have been part of. Whose ""cause"" did they die for? The one where they lived, peacibly, to all known purposes (until proven in COurt, folks!), or the Cuase of Righteous Government SafeGuarding The Freedom Of The CHildren Who are now dead. AgainI say: I do NOT know who did what I was NOT there. The FBI leaders show moral SICKness trying to convict in the press ahead of schedule And you should look over your shoulder, becuase if there is anything my ruminations that actually sets onto real fact of what happened and I do not know that; I am defending people who ahving been burned to death cannot speak for themselves you may, in 22-5 years, find that the concept in our Court system has gone from Due Processss to Due Profit and the BATF come to collect their fair share of the tax on the value of your house if you rented it for income which is going down now, folks. Read Bankruptcy 1995 Its accurate in figures and it bypasses the greedy businessman and mankers who have taken profit from the corruption of our govbernment. Look to where the money went, folks. You got $10 for medicare that paid a doctor for $00.50 worth of medicine. This is the customaryprofitmargin to businessmen for goernment entitlements. Who wll own the land of the cult now? Note well: it WAS nonproift, religious, and nontaxable. Large tract of land .... hmmm. Use your brains, folks: it happened Germany, and it can happen here. 4.3 trillion (admitted) and counting.... > >Kent royc. >--- >sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 4521,14,"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 31 In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: > Why Paul, it's obvious. > Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth, > as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will > sharply increase (we are of course not allowed to > assume any developments in Ti processing). > Lunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for > the trendy jewelry market and certain applications > of National Importance > > :-) :-) :-) Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving dominance in the marketplace. Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the metal. > Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis > in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe > the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local > use... Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu " 4522,9,"From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) Subject: Attention anyone in Syracuse NY or Richmond VA Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 13 There are two conflicting reports about a pitcher that is either in the Jays' farm system or the Braves'. His name is Bill Taylor. He was picked up by the Jays, but had to be offered back to the Braves before they were able to send him to the Syracuse Chiefs. One report says that the Braves took him back and assigned him to Richmond. The other says that he is on the Chiefs' roster. Which one is right? " 4523,17,"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) Subject: Clinton's views on Jerusalem Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 15 I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. According to the article, Mr. Clinton reaffirmed this after winning the presidency. However, during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of State Christopher stated that ""the status of Jerusalem will be a final matter of discussion between the parties"". Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status of Jerusalem. All I want to know is if anyone can authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc. Thank you. Ben. " 4524,5,"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question In-Reply-To: buzz@bear.com's message of 19 Apr 93 14:15:38 GMT Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Lines: 33 > > In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: > > Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics > > don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your > > rectangle? > > Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains > Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item > to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() > (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new > item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care > of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the > Window is mapped. > > The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window > is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so > that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? I specifically made the above comment assuming that perhaps the code fragment came from a simple ""open-draw-quit"" client. As per your question: why not have the button handler add the object, and then call the ""window_redraw()"" (or whatever) directly? Although, depending on how the overall application is structured, there may be no problem with rendering the object directly in response to the button press. Ken -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051 " 4525,12,"From: bailey@vader.egr.uri.edu (Scott Bailey) Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder Summary: Jacob's Ladder and other projects Keywords: jacob's ladder,projects,book Organization: University of Rhode Island / College of Engineering Lines: 30 Hi all, I've been following this thread about jacob's ladder for a few weeks and I happened to come across one of the best project books that I've seen in a while. The book ""Gadgeteer's Goldmine"" by Gordon McComb offers over 55 excellent low cost projects including: Jacob's Ladder, tesla coils, plasma spheres, a Van de Graaff generator, robots, an IR scope, and several laser projects. The instructions come with complete part lists, warnings and diagrams. For those of you who are interested in building any of the above listed projects, you should seriously consider getting this book. The paperback version is only $19.95 too. For those who want more information: Title: Gadgeteer's Goldmine! 55 Space-Age Projects Auth: Gordon McComb Pub: TAB Books CW: 1990 ISBN: 0-8306-8360-7 0-8306-3360-X (paperback) Price: $19.95 (paperback) -Scott /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Scott A. Bailey | #include ""std_disclaimer.h"" | | ECL Operator |------------------------------------------------| | Computer Engineering | I'm just a knight who chases the moon... | | University of Rhode Island | Haven't caught it yet,but I haven't let that | | bailey@vader.egr.uri.edu | keep me from still trying each day and night | | bailey@ecl1.uri.edu | --(---------- ----------)-- | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 4526,9,"From: djs9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: djs9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology The Phillies were picked to be in first. Someone replied that the people who picked them were the same people who picked the Mets last year. My reply: Yeah, that may be true, but this IS the Phillies. Fritz " 4527,2,From: root@c1.nkw.ac.uk (Convex UNIX) Subject: re: Help with WinQVT Reply-To: tb@ua.nbu.ac.uk Organization: Natural Environment Research Council Lines: 4 I had a similar problem - try changing the netmask to 0.0.0.0 or 255.255.254.0 Tommy. 4528,7,"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com We get about 20 Taurus/Sables for fleet cars at our site every year, then the company sells them a year later to employees. The folks I know who drive/buy them have no complaints. The cars seem to drive real nice too. " 4529,15,"From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com Organization: Network Systems Corporation Lines: 71 In article 1373@geneva.rutgers.edu, parkin@Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin) writes: >Another issue of importance. Was the crucification the will of God or >a tragic mistake. I believe it was a tragic mistake. God's will can >never be accomplished through the disbelief of man. I finished reading a very good book, ""The Will of God"", Weatherhead. This was very helpful to me in applying thought to the subject of the will of God. Weatherhead broke the will of God into three distinct parts; intentional will, circumstancial will, and ultimate will. He (Weatherhead) also refuted the last statement (above) by Michael Parkin above quite nicely. Summarizing; _despite_ the failures of humankind, God's ultimate will is never to be defeated. God's intentions may be interfered with, even temporarily defeated by the will of humankind, brought down by circumstance. His ultimate will (the reconcilication of all humankind) will never be stopped. Time after time, Weatherhead used the Cross as the best description of this process at work. His points, paraphrased, were 1) God's intentional will was for Jesus, the Christ, to live out a full life and perform the work of the Living God. 2) The failures, sins, and deviousness of humankind frustrated God's intent for His Son. 3) Despite the circumstance, God's ultimate will was revealed in the Cross, as Jesus willingly (""not my will, Lord, but yours"") died for the redemption of all humankind. The Cross was utterly triumphant, overcoming even the most cruel of circumstances. >this world to build the kingdom of heaven on the earth. He >desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah. If >the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this >cup pass from him. Was this out of weakness. NEVER. Many men and >women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes. >Is Jesus less than these. No he is not. He knew the crucification >was NOT the will of GOD. It was not the intentional will of God. It was the circumstancial will, thus enabling the victory of the ultimate will. > God's will was that the Jewish people accept >Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on >the earth with Jesus as it's head. Right, intentional will. (Just like the Jewish people >expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what >kind of world we would live in today. It would be a very different >world. And that is eactly what GOD wanted. Men and women of that age >could have been saved by following the living Messiah while he was on >the earth. Jesus could have established a sinless lineage that would >have continued his reign after his ascension to the spiritual world to >live with GOD. Now the kingdom of heaven on the earth will have to >wait for Christ's return. But when he returns will he be recognized >and will he find faith on this earth. Isn't it about time for his >return. It's been almost 2000 years. We know neither the time nor the place. He will return as a thief in the night. Peace. Rob --- -legal mumbo jumbo follows- This mail/post only reflects the opinions of the poster (author), and in no manner reflects any corporate policy, statement, opinion, or other expression by Network Systems Corporation. " 4530,10,"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr15.161737.28377@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: > > In article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >>> >>> >>> +/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that >>> takes into account defensive play. It isn't a measure of defensive >>> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play. >> >> If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats >> should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect >> of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation >> tools!! > > IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man > advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated > because their point totals are inflated by power play points. > +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, > John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. > > Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can > inflate his totals. > > Gregmeister Except for Vancouver, of course. Bure has a hard time scoring on that power play. He's got 7 shorthanded goals and 13 pp goals I think! " 4531,16,"From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Subject: RE: the truth starts to come out Distribution: usa Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Lines: 28 In article , pprun@august.it.uswc.uswest.com writes: > > > I have just one thing to say about this: WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON! > The FBI and BATF storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with > this. Demand a full investigation of the Waco survivor's story of > the lantern being knocked over by the tank. We can't bring anybody > back from the dead, but we may be able to send a few of them to > political hell. I heard over NPR yesterday morning that Arlan Specter, Senator from Pennsylvania, has already called for a Congressional investigation. The problem is that Specter was one of the key government attorneys several years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations of JFK and others. That is to say, the Chief Fox wants to check out the hen house. Writing your representatives is a great idea. When you do ask that they keep Specter and his cronies far away from any investigation. > > Would someone please post the generic addresses for Congress and > Senate so that we can all write letters? -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not | matter at all what actually happened. Red-neck and proud of it. | Truth is what the government chooses to | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen. Jim Garrison, New Orleans, La. " 4532,5,"From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) Subject: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 17 Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager place the window where the create window command tells it, regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has reason to know better) I don't want to set the override-redirect because I do want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just want the wm to accept my choice of location. I've tried twm, tvtwm and mwm and they are all uncooperative. Thanks, -- Ethan " 4533,12,"From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex Lines: 19 Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu Others said: # > Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual # >boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry # >that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's # >more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system # >as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. When the utility gave up on that Cinnci, OH plant (Zimmer?) and announced they were going to convert it to a coal-fired scheme, the turbines were already in place, and they were the low-temp type. So the plan was: Install a SECOND set of high temp turbines, and feed the low-temp ones with the output of the new ones. Never saw anything more on this. Did they ever really build it? -- A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 " 4534,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr14.212827.2277@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: >In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu>, 84wendel@cua.edu writes: >> Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride >> on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work. > >!!! Post of the month !!! >Actually, I've seen riders carting around a pet dog in a sidecar.... >A great Dane on the back though; sounds a bit hairy to me. Yeah, I'm sure that our lab would love a ride (he's the type that sticks his head out car windows) but I didn't think that he would enjoy being bungee- corded to the gas tank, and 65 lbs or squirming beast is a bit much for a backpack (ok who's done it....). I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 4535,6,"From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: SAM Virus Clinic (Mac) Software for Sale Keywords: SAM Virus Clinic Software Macintosh Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I have one original SAM (Symantec AntiVirus for Macintosh) V3.0 for sale. It comes with three program discs and one user manual. Will work with 800K and 1.4MB disc drives. Selling for $17.90 (make an offer) which includes postage. Respond to: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu " 4536,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > > >Polish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive. I didn't mean to offend or anything, I'm just quoting Stanky himself on the subject. I remember one time last year he was being interviewed by ESPN, and the interviewer (can't remember who), asked Stanky if he was Jewish because he (the interviewer) was Jewish and wanted to see more Jewish ballplayers. To which Stanky replied, ""I'm Polish, not Jewish."" So maybe that wasn't the most PC thing for Stanky to say, and maybe I was a little naive when I posted it. I think we should just devote this subject to finding actual Jewish ballplayers (I myself am Jewish and the only ones I ever knew until now were Koufax, Greenberg, and Blomberg). -Alan " 4537,2,"From: gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ? Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31 kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: >wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: >> Hey, >> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse >> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use >> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any >> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. >> Thanks for your efforts, >> Oliver >>-- >> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart >> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 >> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 >> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de >Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS >before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded >to use the mouse in Windows. One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my (Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do it for some reason. " 4538,9,"From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors Organization: Holos Software, Inc. Lines: 15 In article hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes: >Didn't Bob Horner go straight from Arizona State Univ. >to the Atlanta Braves? I remember he had one great >month hitting dingers and then the next I heard >he was in Japan. A month? Well, he did have a short career--compared to what one might have expected for such a highly touted prospect--due to being injury prone, overweight, and having no work ethic. But he certainly did not suffer from being rushed to the bigs. -- Len Reed Holos Software, Inc. Voice: (404) 496-1358 ext. 16 Domain: lbr@holos.atl.ga.usa UUCP: lbr@holos0.UUCP " 4539,8,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together Article-I.D.: tekgen.2419 Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes: >In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes: > >[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted] > >>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure? I can visualize fewer >>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but >>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first >>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips >>(especially for the last two pistons). It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially on two-strokes. It's very common to do this on bikes where the cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being removed with the engine in the frame. I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was easier yet because it does not have through-studs. Base flange studs, and separate head bolts, dontchaknow. You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the cylinder while you're inserting the pins. (Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4540,2,"From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Organization: CWRU School of Medicine Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu In article mcbride@ohsu.edu (Ginny McBride) writes: >In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu >(Ashok Aiyar) writes: >>Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent >>product, with several features beyond the DOS version. >>WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to >>packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. >What's it gonna cost? Again, I do not speak for Peter Tattam, but it is my understanding that it will shareware status as Trumpet 1.05 for DOS is, and I imagine that the registration fees will be similar. I also believe that a new version of Trumpet for DOS will be released sometime in the near future. Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300 CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544 " 4541,10,"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) Subject: Re: Giveaways Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr14.173826.29856@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes: > >That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS >could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough? Maybe in the 60's, but not now. Steel is a dead industry in Pgh. No, a giveaway night in the 90's for Pgh would be ""Baboon Liver Night"" sponored by The Pittsburgh Zoo... Lori " 4542,10,"From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Organization: Purdue University Lines: 13 jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: > It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since > the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball > game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN. Not in Indiana: they showed a tape-delay of Chicago v Boston, because WGN had the rainout of the cubs. So WGN showed reruns of Hitchcock. No hockey (at least in this part of the state). Go Aeros! -- Ian Neath | There are four kinds of people in this world: neath@psych.purdue.edu | cretins, fools, morons and lunatics - U. Eco " 4543,7,"From: cm@cci632.cci.com (Carl Mercer) Subject: 1986 Mazda forsale Keywords: 1986, 323, pioneer DX 680 Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. - Network Application Systems Distribution: wny Lines: 34 For sale - Mazda 323 1986 Mazda 323 White exterior, Grey interior. 75,000 miles Interior in very good condition. Exterior in good condition Pioneer DX 680 car stereo. - CD player - 18 FM presets, 6 AM - removable faceplate - seperate component speakers professionally mounted in the doors. The car has been well maintained. I wax it often and keep the interior clean. Its a good running car with a solid body (no rust thru, tiny spots of surface rust. When I see a spot I touch it up.) The stereo makes the car. I have had no mechanical problems with it. I'm looking for $900.00 firm. The car has an average wholesale value of about $900.00 without the stereo. The stereo cost me $500.00 last July. If you are interested, call or Email me at: Carl Mercer cm@cci.com (716) 654-2652 (716) 359-0895 evening " 4544,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) Article-I.D.: desire.1993Apr6.125825.8263 Distribution: na Organization: ACME Products Lines: 60 In article , Ashish Arora writes: > Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. > by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig > [...] > >> The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before >> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. >> >> Brett > Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. In billions of dollars (%GNP): year GNP receipts outlays deficit debt unempl% admin ==== ==== =========== ============ ========= ====== ======= ======= 1977 1930 355.6 (18.4) 409.2 (21.2) 53.6 (2.8) 709.1 Carter 1978 2174 399.6 (18.4) 458.7 (21.1) 59.2 (2.7) 780.4 Carter 1979 2444 463.3 (19.0) 503.5 (20.6) 40.2 (1.6) 833.8 Carter 1980 2674 517.1 (19.3) 590.9 (22.1) 73.8 (2.8) 914.3 7.9 Carter 1981 2986 599.3 (20.1) 678.2 (22.7) 78.9 (2.6) 1003.9 8.4 Reagan 1982 3130 617.8 (19.7) 745.7 (23.8) 127.9 (4.1) 1147.0 11.0 Reagan 1983 3325 600.6 (18.1) 808.3 (24.3) 207.8 (6.2) 1381.9 10.9 Reagan 1984 3688 666.5 (18.1) 851.8 (23.1) 185.3 (5.0) 1576.7 8.6 Reagan 1985 3958 734.1 (18.5) 946.3 (23.9) 212.3 (5.4) 1827.5 8.1 Reagan 1986 4177 769.1 (18.4) 989.8 (23.7) 220.7 (5.3) 2129.5 7.9 Reagan 1987 4442 854.1 (19.2) 1002.1 (22.6) 148.0 (3.4) 2354.3 7.1 Reagan 1988 4771 909.0 (19.1) 1064.1 (22.3) 155.1 (3.2) 2614.6 6.3 Reagan 1989 5201 990.8 (19.0) 1142.8 (22.0) 152.0 (2.9) 2881.1 Bush 1990 1031.2 1251.6 220.4 3190.5 Bush 1991 1054.3 1323.0 268.7 3599.0 Bush [Source: Statistical Abstract of the US (1990 version), American Almanac (1993 version), Universal Almanac (1993 version), Information Please Almanac (1991 version)] GRAPHICALLY: Deficits as a % of GNP, 1981-89 % GNP 7| | 6| X | X X 5| X | 4| X | X 3| X X | X 2| | 1| |____________________________________________________________________________ 0 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 Ironically, Bush could have frozen spending, kept his ""no new taxes"" pledge and balanced the budget. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 4545,13,"From: slyx0@cc.usu.edu Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr15.190711.22190@walter.bellcore.com>, jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes: > > |> I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. > |> I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in > |> my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm > |> not allergic to anything that I know of. > > The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so > greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some > claim their heart ""skipped"" beats once in a while. Some reacted with > headache, some stomach ache. Some had watery eyes or running nose, some > had itchy skin or rashes. More serious accusations include respiration > difficulty and brain damage. > > Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one > suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But > if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, however, because that's not written in their little rule book. I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting. Not that the stuff is BAD or POISON and needs to be banned, but people need to be aware that it can have a bad effect on SOME people. Lone Wolf Happy are they who dream dreams, Ed Philips And pay the price to see them come true. slyx0@cc.usu.edu -unknown " 4546,7,"From: jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?) Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh574 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 15 In article <5243@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: |> In article jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain |> (James Yuhn) writes: |> > That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have |> > a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally |> |> I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make |> this noise. |> Geez wharfie, do you have to be so difficult? Mine was built in December '88, which qualifies as pretty dang early, and it most certainly grinds away. Jim " 4547,3,"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Re: Winjet accelerator card Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 16 Gv Fragante (fragante@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote: : Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3? : As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among : S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ? : Thanks. WinJet is not a video card -- it's _printer_ accelerator manufactured by LaserMaster (Eden Prairie, MN). -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * " 4548,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes: >Coaching news: > > Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified), > Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara, > Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks > (assistant coach), > Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien) Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov? =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 4549,12,"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply Organization: your service Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway), there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal - the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it takes a while). If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter, why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when you ""need"" it. Just some ideas. Can't guarantee what'll work or not, but hope at least SOME of this helped. " 4550,2,"From: ffritze@hpwad.WAD.HP.COM (Fromut Fritze) Subject: Re: Need help writing MS EXCEL macro Organization: Hewlett-Packard Waldbronn, Germany Lines: 20 > for each_student do > begin > Lowest_Score_Found := Max_Possible_Value > for I := 1 to Number_Of_Assignments do > begin > if Score[I] < Lowest_Score_Found then > Lowest_Score_Found := Score[I] > end > Total_Score := SUM(all scores) - Lowest_Score_Found > end Couldn't you simply use MIN() as you use SUM() and than subtract it from SUM() ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ internet: ffritze@hpwbe007.wad.hp.com phone: Germany 7243 602296 address: Fromut FRITZE, Waldbronn Analytic Division R&D, Hewlett Packard Str, D 7517 Waldbronn 2, Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 4551,2,"From: ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk (Justin Whitton) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... In-Reply-To: edmoore@vcd.hp.com's message of Sat, 24 Apr 1993 22: 31:30 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: hayle Organization: DRA Malvern, Worcs., UK Lines: 24 In article edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: : The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really : have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need : 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your : pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not : toner. But that should go without saying. I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-) I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet. -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..| |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \------------------------------| |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. | |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 4552,15,"From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Lines: 22 gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. There is a certain truth to this statement. Only I would use the word ""medicine"" instead of drug. With regard to the condition of the human soul, Christianity is first and foremost a healing medicine. It also strengthens and enables one, as healing takes hold, to grow in new strength and health to live and be and to do that for which God created us. > Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christ's medicine, rightly allowed to work, brings one nearer to reality and offers the clarity of understanding and the strength of spirit with which to meet it in a healthy human way. > Christians inject themselves with Jesus and live with that high. (small spelling correction added) Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com) " 4553,14,"From: jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) Subject: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 8 Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used to compute sunrise and sunset times. I would appreciate any advice. Joe Wetstein jpw@coe.drexel.edu " 4554,2,"From: al@col.hp.com (Al DeVilbiss) Subject: Re: WinBench Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqp3rINNg85 Distribution: world Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: reptile4.col.hp.com jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) writes: > Is there any FTP site that carries WinBench results for different graphics > cards? In Excel (XLS) format? What is the latest version of WinBench and > how do they differ? Is the source available, and has anybody try to port it to > X-Window, at least in a way that will make comparisons possible? > On ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/misc/winadv.zip is a writeup by Steve Gibson of InfoWorld with winbench 3.11 and a number of other benchmark results for nine isa and four VLB video cards. This is a very current upload and is likely to have any card you're currently giving serious consideration. Not in XLS format. Latest version of WinBench that I know of is ver 3.11. I believe they try to maintain the same rating scale between versions, and new versions are released to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to beat the benchmarks. Don't know on the last one. -- Al DeVilbiss al@col.hp.com " 4555,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr15.173951.20173@icf.hrb.com> jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) writes: >(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark) >> >> On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in >> a small motel >> for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were >> disturbing my >> car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and >> another tenant >> walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. >> Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. >> >> Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! >> >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob me and/or do other physically harmful things. If they're just screwing around, no harm done. If they're bent on mayhem, they will receive the cure for their lead deficiency; a 180gr. injection @1200 fps...there's no telling what today's violent criminals will do. Death may be the most pleasant outcome... James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 4556,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 44 Kevin L. Stamber writes: >If there's anyone who can help me on these items, please >let me know. > >* Markus Naslund -- I saw that MoDo lost early in the National > tournament and that he was playing for the national > team at the World Championships. Any stats > available? Any word on how he's playing? When > is he expected to join the club? > Markus had a good season in MoDo in the Swedish elite league, scoring 22 goals, 17 assists, 39 points and 67 PIM in 39 games. As Daryl points out, Markus won't be joining the Pens for this year's playoffs, since the World Championships starts April 18th. But there is a good chance that Markus will join the Pens before next season. MoDo, though, naturally wants to keep their superstars Forsberg and Naslund, so the latest news on this is that MoDo is looking for personal sponsors for Forsberg and Naslund in order to match the kind of money they would receive in NHL. Daryl Turner writes: >By 'the club', I would assume you mean the Pens. Don't hold your breath, >you aren't going to see Naslund this year. The World Championship >Tournament doesn't start until 18 April. So NHL teams won't see any >influx of Europeans, and no team playing in the WC will see a sudden >influx of 'eliminated' NHLers. The earliest a player on a playoff bound >team could join a WC-team is the last game of the round robin, and I >doubt any coach is going to want to play short one player for that long. Actually, Swedish coach Curt Lundmark is thinking about leaving two spots open for additions from eliminated NHLers. It is Mats Sundin and Calle Johansson that Curt hopes can join the team, although in a late stage of the tournament. Technically, I seem to recall that you can leave spots open until 24 hrs before the WC final. Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 4557,0,"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia Lines: 33 mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Nanci Ann Miller writes: >>My favorite reply to the ""you are being too literal-minded"" complaint is >>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT >>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and >>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right, >>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something >>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was >>originally inspired by God? >The ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the >current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text >has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This >shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner >are likely to makes some pains to make good copies. >-- Do you honestly hold to that tripe Charley? For a start there are enough current versions of the Bible to make comparisons to show that what you write above is utter garbage. Witness JW, Mormon, Catholic, Anglican, and Greek Orthodox Bibles. But to really convince you I'd have to take you to a good old library. In our local library we had a 1804 King James which I compared to a brand new, hot of God's tongue Good News Bible. Genesis was almost unrecognisable, many of the discrepencies between the four gospels had been edited from the Good News Bible. In fact the God of Good News was a much more congenial fellow I must say. If you like I'll get the 1804 King James out again and actually give you some quotes. At least the headings haven't changed much. Jeff. " 4558,16,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 131 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article , Thomas Parsli writes: >Gun clubs: >If you are a member you CAN borrow weapons....(Suprised??) >You are supposed to train with a .22 for the 6 months, THEN >you can start with anything bigger. > >Drivers licence: >Forgot that USA is THE land of cars..... >Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy. >Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather...... >But we think this is acceptable because a car is NOT a toy, and >bad drivers tend to hurt OTHERS. >(If you are really bad, you WON'T get a lincence!) > >Abuse by the goverment: >This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control >would just be abused by the goverment.(!) >Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should >get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) Unfortunately, elections can, and are, bought. Promise the voters money, and they will vote for you. > >Guns 'n Criminals: >MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. >Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. Same here. Convicted felons may not legally purchase firearms. >And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe), >we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns. That you know of. While I lived in the DBR, a gang robbed a joint US Army/Bundewehr armoury and got several hundred M-16s, ammunition, handguns and some explosives. When I left two years later, there were no clues. > >Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: >What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! >Someone said that if we 'ban' guns we'd have to ban cars to, because they 'kill' to... >I don't think we should argue on this one..... ;) > >The issue (I hope..): >I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem. >Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??) Who uses them is the problem. Crime, in the U.S., is ""no big deal"" if you are the criminal. How about 5 years for murder. Credit for time served (in jail, waiting for trial) and you are out in 12 months, worst case. If we would put criminals, especially violent ones, in the slam for true sentences, crime would drop. Instead, we reward them for being good and let them out early, very early. > >I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia: >They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them >to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns. Serbs, Croats and Muslims have been killing each other almost since before the invention of guns. Old women are throwing stones at UN trucks. This is a hatred that goes beyond reason. > >If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them >or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, >it's the 'axer' ?? >(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...) Yes, the problem is the user. Question back (since you are one of the rational ones): If all gun crime were to stop, would you support dropping all gun controls? > >Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect >themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? They did not believe, from experience, that the ""police"" (including National Guard) could/would protect them. Unless you want to argue that a human being does not have a right to protect him/herself, they did the right thing. What would you suggest as a defense against a mob throwing bottles and rocks, and also likely armed with stolen firearms? > >If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have >guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) Criminals would move to Scandinavia??? :-) The average criminal would look for a less hazardous job, and the rest would likely be buried at county expense. > >Don't flame the Englishmen because of Northern Irland, they have gun control that works >(in England) and fonds from USA are one of the reasons why IRA can bomb innocents... >(Something about throwing stones in glass houses...) Personally, I criticize the fools who send money to the IRA to ""make Ireland free"". Of course, this is the last thing the IRA wants, because they lose power if England pulls out. But that's for another group. >Don't flame them because of what to (three?) children did either. The U.S. has roughly 20 times the major sporting events as the U.K.. How many riots did we have at sporting events last year (off the playing field)? Hooligan is a word never used when reffering to sports fans here. I guess that's where the different cultures thing comes in. >(Can an Jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace??) (YES!) Yes. The question is, is the problem one of too many guns (mostly from the army) or not enough (nonSerbians can not defend themselves. > >(My numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot-guns are from the police >and the Statistisk Sentralbyraa) (understood that one Sorenson??) > >LAST WORD: >Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if you want to protect >your citicens. But disarming responsible gun owners is not the solution. Yet, that is exactly what HCI is proposing. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 4559,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 69 The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It states that: >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" is agreed upon; >Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA); >The ISGA will apply to the ""Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"" under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem; >Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel; >Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd; >Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects- external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order; >The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature; >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and coordination with Israel. >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious affairs. Several question do come to mind concerning the ""success"" we all hope for in the ongoing negotiation process. These arrangements certainly seem to be essentially a rejection of any Palestinian ""interim"" self-control. Without exposing itself to unwarranted risks and creating irresversible vulnerability, can Israel reasonably put forward (at later points in the negotiating process) more ""relaxed"" proposals for this""interim"" period? How should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper their ""maximalist"" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and desire for some ""interim control"", be addressed while providing for a very *real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity? Tim >Later comment: > >There seem to be two perceptions that **have to be addressed**. The >first is that of Israel, where there is little trust for Arab groups, so >there is little support for Israel giving up **tangible** assets in >exchange for pieces of paper, ""expectations"", ""hopes"", etc. The second >is that of the Arab world/Palestinians, where there is the demand that >these ""tangible concessions"" be made by Israel **without** it receiving >anything **tangible** back. Given this, the gap between the two stances >seems to be the need by Israel of receiving some ***tangible*** returns >for its expected concessions. By ""tangible"" is meant something that >1) provides Israel with ""comparable"" protection (from the land it is to >give up), 2) in some way ensures that the Arab states and Palestine >**will be** accountable and held actively (not just ""diplomatically) >responsible for the upholding of all actions on its territory (by citizens >or ""visitors""). > >Israel is hanging on largely because it is scared stiff that the minute >it lets go (gives lands back to Arab states, no more ""buffer zone"", gives >full autonomy to Palestinians), ANY and/or ALL of the Arab parties >could (and *would*, if not ""controlled"" somehow) EASILY return to the >traditional anti-Israel position. The question then is HOW to *really* >ensure that that will not happen. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine " 4560,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Christians above the Law? was Clarification of personal position Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. <1993Apr19.131102.7843@rchland.ibm.com> Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr19.131102.7843@rchland.ibm.com> xzz0280@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (R. J. Traff) writes: >|> In article >|> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >|> >question is ""On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the >|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >|> >fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?"" Please >|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I don't believe most Christians believe they are *above* the Law. However, >we are not saved by adherence to the Law. The Law exists to tell us what >is sinful. We all sin. Hence we are ""all"" above the Law where ""all"" in this case refers to Christians. >Jews believe that their sins are atoned for with >blood sacrifice of animals as described in the Old Testament. When was the last time you heard about a Jewish animal sacrifice? >Christians >believe that their sins are atoned for by the blood sacrifice of Jesus. The blood sacrifice of an innocent man? >This does not make the Law 'irrelevant'. Then why don't Christians follow it, why don't they even follow their own Ten Commandments? >Breaking the Law *is* sinful, >and we are to avoid sinful ways, but sinning, by itself, does not jeopardize >salvation. So, in short; Hitler is in heaven and Gandhi is in Hell? >Note that I'm not a theologian. But this is the gist of several >sermons I've heard lately and some Bible studies I've been through. Did you ever wonder if someone, perhaps a great deceiver, was pulling your leg? " 4561,1,"From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu Subject: TIFF -> Anything?! Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Lines: 10 Are there any TIFF to anything programs out there for the IBM? Our scanner works into TIFF, and I can view it on CSHOW 8.1, but all of my other programs read errors. Are there any basic Tiff to JPEG, GIF, PCX, BMP, etc...? Thanks for the time...Email or post acceptable. Joshuaf ""That Geiger scan looks like dookie!"" ""I know it's a TIFF!!!!"" " 4562,9,From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 13 Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <93122@hydra.gatech.EDU> re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) writes: > This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who > kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. > Who could stop that? Guess we'll never know. Why not? Horner played 130 games in 1985 and hit 27 HR. Murphy played 162 and hit 37. In 1986 Horner hit 27 in 141 games and Murphy hit 29 in 160 games. (and the Braves lost 96 and 89 games). john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu 4563,15,"From: fostma@saturn.wwc.edu (Mark Gregory Foster) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 60 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: [FAQ and Darius' response deleted] >Darius >[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I >think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is >probably all that needs to be said. I accept that Darius is doing >what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally >accept that those who ""esteem all days alike"" are similarly doing >their best to honor the Lord. I am myself an SDA and I am in total agreement with what Darius has to say. I also worship on Saturday to honor the Lord. Your mention of ""[esteeming] all days alike"" IMO has to do with the fast days observed by the Jews. But no matter how you interpret that passage, I do accept your worship on Sunday as being done in honor of the Lord, in contrast with what many of my fellow SDA believers may believe. To me, though, the bible overwhelmingly points to Saturday as the day to be kept in honor of creation and of God's deliverance of the Israelites from Egyptian bondage. To those who would attempt to point out that my observance of Saturday is being legalistic, this is simply not the case. Rather, keeping Saturday allows me a full day to rest and contemplate God's goodness and grace. > >However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous >proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I >indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. >Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2. It says >that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's >collection. Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially >to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it, >but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be >when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do >it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day. The idea was introduced to me once that the reason Paul wanted the Corinthians to lay aside money for the collection on the first day of the week was because that was when they received their weekly wages. Paul wanted them to lay aside money for the collection as first priority, before spending their money on other things. I do not have any proof in front of me for this though, although it would explain why they would lay aside money in their homes instead of a meeting. >So I think the most obvious reading of this is that ""on the first day >of every week"" simply means every time they gather for worship. > >I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements >is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian >worship was. It would seem to me that you assume that the christians in the NT regularly worshipped on the first day. I assume that the christians in the NT regularly worshipped on the seventh day. But I agree with you that we only have implications because the authors did assume the reader knew when worhip was. --Mark " 4564,10,"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) Subject: Kings playoff notes: Stauber, TV ratings, etc. Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) Organization: none Lines: 112 1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes. -------------------------------- Playoffs: --------- *Stauber disturbed by third-man theme by Rick Sadowski, Daily News Barry Melrose's decision to stick Robb Stauber in the stands rather than in the crease or even on the bench for the Stanley Cup playoffs does not sit well with the rookie goaltender. ""I want to be a part of the team at the most crucial time of the year, the most fun time of the year, and I'm not,"" Stauber said with some emotion Monday. ""I think I have worked hard enough for that."" Stauber said he accepts Melrose's choice of Kelly Hrudey as the teams top goalie in their playoff series with the Calgary Flames. Hrudey made 21 saves in Sundays 6-3 opening victory. But Stauber clearly is upset with his sudden status as the No. 3 man behind Rick Knickle. Stauber had a 4-1-2 record and 2.98 goals-against average down the stretch in the regular season and nearly wrestled the No. 1 job from Hrudey. Knickle? He won 2 of 3 decisions but had a bloated 5.26 average, twice was yanked from games (once for stomach cramps) and hasn't played since March 29. Yet, when the series resumes Wednesday, Knickle will serve as Hrudey's backup again and Stauber will have to satisfy his playoff hunger by munching on Olympic Saddledome popcorn. ""If I'm supposedly close to being the starter or could have been the starter...I dropped too. 3. What happened to No. 2?"" Stauber wondered. ""Not that I'd be happy with No. 2, but I feel I should at least be a part of this team in the playoffs."" Perhaps Stauber eventually will get his chance, but Melrose apparently is not convinced the 25-year old is capable of handling playoff pressure. While insisting he is the Kings' ""goalie of the future,"" Melrose said Stauber flubbed all four of the big games he was asked to win this season. They were, according to Melrose: a 7-2 loss to San Jose on Dec. 26; An 8-3 loss to the New York Rangers on Jan. 23; a 6-6 tie with Detroit on Feb. 11; an 8-6 loss to Vancouver on Thursday. ""Four times this season Robb could have emerged as the elite goalie, he could have taken it away from Kelly Hrudey, and he didn't do it,"" Melrose said. ""An elite goaltender has to carry the ball when you give it to him. The mark of a great goalie is that he isn't satisfied to be a backup."" ""I'm not blaming Robb for the losses, but if you're going to be No. 1, you've got to be able to walk your talk. You've got to be able to play when everything is on the line. Robb Stauber has a great deal of ability, but maybe I expect more from him than he does."" Ouch. That remark stung Stauber. He began the season 9-0-1, struggled when the team hit a mid-season slump, didn't play for a month after Knickle was signed off the San Diego Gulls roster, then came on at the end. ""I expect more from myself than anybody, including Barry Melrose,"" said Stauber, a three-year star at the University of Minnesota who left school in 1989, only to have his development hampered by a string of serious injuries. ""What I've been through the last four years - two knee operations, a herniated disk in my back, shoulder surgery - what more can I go through? I obviously do expect a lot from myself, otherwise I wouldn't be here."" ""Anybody who would disagree with that doesn't know me. I'm not saying Barry doesn't know me, but don't say I've been without expectations. If anything, I'm a perfectionist."" Stauber acknowledged he played poorly in the four games Melrose mentioned. ""But even though I didn't play well, I get knocked down from maybe on to three? It's a bit of a jump,"" he said. ""You're almost No. 1, or if you play a good game you're No. 1 and if you don't you're No. 3? Why does Jack Nicklaus shoot a 67 and then a 75? Can you explain that? That's what barry wanted me to explain to him, why I didn't come through when he counted on me. I don't know. What I do know is, it's a sport. I'll be there."" Melrose's ""goalie of the future"" statement doesn't mean much to Stauber. ""Before you know it, I'll be 30 and there will be no future,"" he said. ------ *Game 1 of the Kings @ Flames playoff series drew a 4.2 Nielsen rating on ABC Channel 7 here in LA. The Kings averaged a 2.1 Nielsen rating in the 10 regular season games aired on Channel 5. Around the NHL: --------------- *San Jose fired Coach George Kingston, who lead the team to a 11-71-2 mark in their 2nd NHL season. Kingston was 28-129-7 over the past 2 years with the Sharks. ------ *Former Islander executive Bill Torrey was named as President of the expansion Florida Panthers. Bobby Clarke was named as the clubs General Manager. *Last nights games: ------------------- WIN 2 @ VAN 4 (VAN leads 1-0) TOR 3 @ DET 6 (DET leads 1-0) =============================================================================== Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) net contact: L.A. Kings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< =============================================================================== " 4565,19,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> Lines: 41 In article , nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) says: > >In rocker@acm.rpi.edu (rocker) writes: > >>In <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) >writes: > >>>If one is paying for a PRIVATE health insurance plan and DOES NOT WANT >>>""abortion coverage"" there is NO reason for that person to be COMPLELLED >>>to pay for it. (Just as one should not be compelled to pay for lipposuction >>>coverage if ONE doesn't WANT that kind of coverage). > >>You appear to be stunningly ignorant of the underlying concept of health >>insurance. > >Are you any less stunningly ignorant? Have you ever heard of life >insurance premiums some companies give in which nonsmokers are charged >much smaller premiums than smokers? > >Not to mention auto insurance being much cheaper for women under 25 than >for men under 25, because women on the average drive more carefully >than most men--in fact, almost as carefully as I did before I was 25. As many people have mentioned, there is no reason why insurers could not offer a contract without abortion services for a different premium. The problem is that there is no guarantee that this premium would be lower for those who chose this type of contract. Although you are removing one service, that may have feedbacks into other types of covered care which results in a net increase in actuarial costs. For an illustrative example in the opposite direction, it may be possible to ADD services to an insurance contract and REDUCE the premium. If you add preventative services and this reduces acute care use, then the total premium may fall. These words and thoughts are my own. * I am not bound to swear ** ** ** ** * allegiance to the word of any ** ** ** ** ** ** * master. Where the storm carries ** ** ** * me, I put into port and make D. Shea, PSU * myself at home. " 4566,16,"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com >> Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from >> bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be >> for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. > Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. > > Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will > die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as > long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few > shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One > assumes they are moving!) A better solution: If the 'bad' people can't be trusted with guns, then lock them or knock them off. Stop punishing good people. " 4567,3,"From: tmccn@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Tracy McCracken) Subject: 486sx For Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I have a 486sx/20, 5 megs RAM, 85 meg harddrive (Stacked to 160 w/Stacker 3.0), 3.5 floppy, 3 expansion slots, 2 drive bays, VGA card, no monitor. $650.00 or interesting combination of cash and trade. Located in Chicago. Please e-mail to this address (tmccn@merle.acns.nwu.edu) or call Allister at (312)743-5603. Thanks. " 4568,6,"From: Harry Powell Watson Subject: Boss Guitar Pedal Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: For Sale: One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35 or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841. Harry " 4569,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 17 In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > >Are you for real? How many Gold Gloves does Ozzie Smith have? If a >guy hung around and hit 30 homers a year for 15 years, wouldn't he >be a given for the Hall? Is defense not just as important? Frankly, no. Offense and defense are equally important. But the pitcher is 80% of the defense. The primary role of every other player is on offense. Even shortstops are a bigger part of the offensive game than of the defensive game. (They might not do much with their part of the offense, but that's another issue.) That being said, I think both Smith and Yount deserve the HOF. They hit pretty well in addition to their defense. Cheers, -Valentine " 4570,5,"From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels) Subject: Re: iconize a running application? Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 14 In article doomer@teal.csn.org (John Dumais) writes: >I've been trying to figure a way to programmatically iconize >an application running under a Motif window manager. I have tried >several approaches includeing sending events to the application's >border window, but to no avail? Anyone done this before? I tend to use XIconifyWindow to achieve this effect... Have you tried that? - Brad -- Brad Daniels ` | ""If money can't buy happiness, daniels@neosoft.com | I guess I'll have to rent it."" I don't work for NeoSoft, and | - Weird Al Yenkovic don't speak for my employer. | " 4571,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 price list Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 264 Here is the price list for the week April 13 to April 19. - Andrew Buy Sell Pts Team Player 158.9 143.0 157 PIT Mario_Lemieux 148.5 133.7 145 BUF Pat_LaFontaine 142.7 128.4 141 BOS Adam_Oates 137.6 123.8 136 DET Steve_Yzerman 132.1 118.9 129 WPG Teemu_Selanne 131.7 118.5 127 NYI Pierre_Turgeon 130.1 117.1 127 TOR Doug_Gilmour 126.0 113.4 123 BUF Alexander_Mogilny 123.4 111.1 119 PHI Mark_Recchi 121.9 109.7 119 LA Luc_Robitaille 113.3 102.0 112 QUE Mats_Sundin 111.3 100.2 110 PIT Kevin_Stevens 110.6 99.5 108 VAN Pavel_Bure 108.6 97.7 106 STL Craig_Janney 108.3 97.5 107 PIT Rick_Tocchet 107.6 96.8 105 CHI Jeremy_Roenick 105.3 94.8 104 QUE Joe_Sakic 103.5 93.2 101 STL Brett_Hull 102.4 92.2 100 CGY Theoren_Fleury 101.2 91.1 100 PIT Ron_Francis 100.4 90.4 98 TOR Dave_Andreychuk 100.2 90.2 99 BOS Joe_Juneau 98.3 88.5 96 WPG Phil_Housley 98.3 88.5 96 MTL Vincent_Damphousse 96.3 86.7 94 MTL Kirk_Muller 96.1 86.5 95 DET Dino_Ciccarelli 95.3 85.8 93 BUF Dale_Hawerchuk 95.3 85.8 93 MIN Mike_Modano 94.4 85.0 91 NYR Mark_Messier 93.2 83.9 91 STL Brendan_Shanahan 93.1 83.8 92 PIT Jaromir_Jagr 88.1 79.3 86 MTL Brian_Bellows 88.1 79.3 86 LA Jari_Kurri 88.0 79.2 87 DET Sergei_Fedorov 87.1 78.4 85 CGY Robert_Reichel 87.0 78.3 86 DET Paul_Coffey 86.1 77.5 83 WSH Peter_Bondra 86.1 77.5 83 HFD Geoff_Sanderson 86.0 77.4 84 TB Brian_Bradley 85.0 76.5 82 NYI Steve_Thomas 84.0 75.6 83 PIT Larry_Murphy 84.0 75.6 81 PHI Rod_Brind'Amour 83.0 74.7 82 BOS Ray_Bourque 83.0 74.7 82 QUE Steve_Duchesne 83.0 74.7 80 HFD Andrew_Cassels 82.0 73.8 80 LA Tony_Granato 81.9 73.7 79 WSH Dale_Hunter 81.9 73.7 79 WSH Mike_Ridley 80.9 72.8 78 HFD Pat_Verbeek 80.9 72.8 79 MTL Stephan_Lebeau 80.9 72.8 79 CGY Gary_Suter 78.9 71.0 77 VAN Cliff_Ronning 78.9 71.0 77 NJ Claude_Lemieux 78.9 71.0 78 QUE Mike_Ricci 77.9 70.1 76 VAN Murray_Craven 77.9 70.1 76 STL Jeff_Brown 77.8 70.0 75 WSH Kevin_Hatcher 77.8 70.0 75 NYR Tony_Amonte 76.9 69.2 76 SJ Kelly_Kisio 76.8 69.1 75 NJ Alexander_Semak 76.8 69.1 75 MIN Russ_Courtnall 75.8 68.2 74 MIN Dave_Gagner 75.8 68.2 74 TOR Nikolai_Borschevsky 75.7 68.1 73 PHI Eric_Lindros 74.8 67.3 73 LA Jimmy_Carson 73.8 66.4 72 CGY Joe_Nieuwendyk 73.8 66.4 72 VAN Geoff_Courtnall 73.8 66.4 72 MIN Ulf_Dahlen 73.6 66.2 71 NYI Derek_King 73.6 66.2 71 WSH Michal_Pivonka 72.9 65.6 72 QUE Owen_Nolan 72.9 65.6 72 BOS Dmitri_Kvartalnov 72.7 65.4 71 STL Nelson_Emerson 72.7 65.4 71 CHI Chris_Chelios 72.6 65.3 70 NYI Benoit_Hogue 71.7 64.5 70 NJ Stephane_Richer 71.7 64.5 70 WPG Thomas_Steen 71.7 64.5 70 WPG Alexei_Zhamnov 71.7 64.5 70 CHI Steve_Larmer 69.8 62.8 69 PIT Joe_Mullen 69.5 62.6 67 NYR Mike_Gartner 68.6 61.7 67 VAN Petr_Nedved 68.6 61.7 67 VAN Trevor_Linden 68.6 61.7 67 LA Mike_Donnelly 68.4 61.6 66 WSH Dmitri_Khristich 68.4 61.6 66 WSH Al_Iafrate 66.8 60.1 66 DET Ray_Sheppard 66.8 60.1 66 QUE Andrei_Kovalenko 66.4 59.8 64 HFD Zarley_Zalapski 66.4 59.8 64 NYR Adam_Graves 65.8 59.2 65 SJ Johan_Garpenlov 64.5 58.1 63 TOR Glenn_Anderson 63.5 57.2 62 LA Wayne_Gretzky 63.5 57.2 62 OTT Norm_Maciver 62.2 56.0 60 PHI Garry_Galley 61.7 55.5 61 DET Steve_Chiasson 61.7 55.5 61 DET Paul_Ysebaert 61.5 55.4 60 NJ Valeri_Zelepukin 61.5 55.4 60 MTL Mike_Keane 61.2 55.1 59 PHI Brent_Fedyk 60.7 54.6 60 PIT Shawn_McEachern 60.4 54.4 59 LA Rob_Blake 60.1 54.1 58 NYI Pat_Flatley 59.7 53.7 59 QUE Scott_Young 59.4 53.5 58 WPG Darrin_Shannon 59.1 53.2 57 PHI Kevin_Dineen 58.4 52.6 57 NJ Bernie_Nicholls 58.4 52.6 57 CGY Sergei_Makarov 58.4 52.6 57 CHI Steve_Smith 58.1 52.3 56 WSH Pat_Elynuik 57.4 51.7 56 VAN Greg_Adams 57.4 51.7 56 NJ Scott_Stevens 57.4 51.7 56 TB John_Tucker 56.3 50.7 55 WPG Fredrik_Olausson 56.0 50.4 54 NYR Sergei_Nemchinov 55.0 49.5 53 NYR Darren_Turcotte 55.0 48.9 53 CGY Al_MacInnis 55.0 48.9 53 CHI Christian_Ruuttu 55.0 48.0 52 CHI Brent_Sutter 55.0 47.6 51 HFD Terry_Yake 55.0 47.0 51 VAN Dixon_Ward 55.0 47.0 51 WPG Keith_Tkachuk 55.0 46.4 51 BOS Stephen_Leach 55.0 46.1 50 TOR John_Cullen 55.0 46.1 50 MTL Denis_Savard 55.0 45.7 49 NYR Ed_Olczyk 55.0 45.2 49 VAN Anatoli_Semenov 55.0 44.8 48 WSH Sylvain_Cote 55.0 44.8 48 NYI Vladimir_Malakhov 55.0 44.8 48 NYI Jeff_Norton 55.0 44.8 48 HFD Patrick_Poulin 55.0 44.6 49 BOS Dave_Poulin 55.0 44.3 48 LA Tomas_Sandstrom 55.0 44.3 48 EDM Petr_Klima 55.0 44.3 48 NJ John_MacLean 55.0 44.3 48 EDM Doug_Weight 55.0 43.3 47 MTL Gilbert_Dionne 55.0 43.3 47 LA Alexei_Zhitnik 55.0 43.3 47 EDM Shayne_Corson 55.0 42.8 47 QUE Martin_Rucinsky 55.0 42.4 46 WPG Evgeny_Davydov 55.0 42.4 46 STL Kevin_Miller 55.0 42.4 46 EDM Craig_Simpson 55.0 42.0 45 WSH Kelly_Miller 55.0 42.0 45 PHI Pelle_Eklund 55.0 40.6 44 CHI Michel_Goulet 55.0 40.6 44 EDM Dave_Manson 55.0 39.6 43 OTT Sylvain_Turgeon 55.0 38.7 42 CGY Paul_Ranheim 55.0 38.7 42 MTL Mathieu_Schneider 55.0 38.7 42 MIN Mark_Tinordi 55.0 38.3 42 DET Bob_Probert 55.0 37.8 41 EDM Todd_Elik 55.0 37.4 40 NYR Esa_Tikkanen 55.0 37.4 41 BOS Vladimir_Ruzicka 55.0 36.9 40 OTT Bob_Kudelski 55.0 36.9 40 NJ Peter_Stastny 55.0 36.9 40 TOR Dave_Ellett 55.0 36.9 40 OTT Brad_Shaw 55.0 36.5 40 DET Niklas_Lidstrom 55.0 36.0 39 NJ Bobby_Holik 55.0 36.0 39 TOR Wendel_Clark 55.0 35.5 38 NYR Alexei_Kovalev 55.0 35.0 38 BUF Yuri_Khmylev 55.0 35.0 38 MIN Mike_McPhee 55.0 34.1 37 TOR Rob_Pearson 55.0 34.1 37 VAN Sergio_Momesso 55.0 33.6 36 NYR Brian_Leetch 55.0 33.2 36 CHI Dirk_Graham 55.0 33.2 36 TB Adam_Creighton 55.0 32.8 36 QUE Valery_Kamensky 55.0 32.3 35 EDM Zdeno_Ciger 55.0 32.3 35 LA Corey_Millen 55.0 31.9 35 BOS Ted_Donato 55.0 31.3 34 TOR Peter_Zezel 55.0 30.4 33 MIN Neal_Broten 55.0 29.5 32 MTL Gary_Leeman 55.0 29.5 32 EDM Scott_Mellanby 55.0 29.5 32 BUF Wayne_Presley 55.0 29.2 32 DET Keith_Primeau 55.0 28.9 31 NYI Brian_Mullen 55.0 28.9 31 PHI Josef_Beranek 55.0 28.6 31 CHI Stephane_Matteau 55.0 28.3 31 BOS Steve_Heinze 55.0 28.0 30 PHI Dmitri_Yushkevich 55.0 28.0 30 HFD Mikael_Nylander 55.0 27.6 30 BUF Richard_Smehlik 55.0 27.6 30 TOR Dmitri_Mironov 55.0 25.8 28 CHI Brian_Noonan 55.0 25.5 28 SJ Pat_Falloon 55.0 24.9 27 STL Igor_Korolev 55.0 24.3 26 WSH Bob_Carpenter 55.0 24.3 26 NYR James_Patrick 55.0 23.9 26 BUF Petr_Svoboda 55.0 23.0 25 OTT Mark_Lamb 55.0 22.4 24 NYI Scott_LaChance 55.0 22.1 24 MTL Benoit_Brunet 55.0 22.1 24 TB Mikael_Andersson 55.0 21.2 23 EDM Martin_Gelinas 55.0 21.2 23 WPG Sergei_Bautin 55.0 21.2 23 TOR Bill_Berg 55.0 21.2 23 EDM Kevin_Todd 55.0 19.6 21 NYI David_Volek 55.0 19.6 21 NYI Ray_Ferraro 55.0 19.4 21 MIN Brent_Gilchrist 55.0 18.6 20 HFD Yvon_Corriveau 55.0 18.6 20 NYR Phil_Bourque 55.0 18.6 20 NYI Darius_Kasparaitis 55.0 18.2 20 DET Jim_Hiller 55.0 17.7 19 PHI Andrei_Lomakin 55.0 17.6 19 BUF Donald_Audette 55.0 16.6 18 TB Roman_Hamrlik 55.0 15.5 17 BOS Cam_Neely 55.0 15.5 17 SJ Mark_Pederson 55.0 14.6 16 PIT Martin_Straka 55.0 13.9 15 CHI Joe_Murphy 55.0 12.2 13 NYR Peter_Andersson 55.0 12.0 13 OTT Tomas_Jelinek 55.0 12.0 13 NJ Janne_Ojanen 55.0 10.2 11 TB Steve_Kasper 55.0 10.2 11 MIN Bobby_Smith 55.0 9.1 10 SJ Ray_Whitney 55.0 8.4 9 HFD Robert_Petrovicky 55.0 8.3 9 BUF Viktor_Gordijuk 55.0 7.4 8 TOR Joe_Sacco 55.0 7.3 8 QUE Mikhail_Tatarinov 55.0 7.3 8 SJ Peter_Ahola 55.0 6.5 7 CHI Rob_Brown 55.0 6.4 7 BOS Glen_Murray 55.0 5.6 6 HFD Tim_Kerr 55.0 5.5 6 MIN Brian_Propp 55.0 4.7 5 WSH Reggie_Savage 55.0 4.6 5 STL Vitali_Prokhorov 55.0 4.6 5 LA Robert_Lang 55.0 4.6 5 EDM Shaun_Van_Allen 55.0 3.7 4 MIN Dan_Quinn 55.0 3.6 4 DET Viacheslav_Kozlov 55.0 3.6 4 BOS Jozef_Stumpel 55.0 3.6 4 PIT Bryan_Fogarty 55.0 2.8 3 MTL Olav_Petrov 55.0 2.8 3 TB Stan_Drulia 55.0 1.9 2 WSH Jason_Woolley 55.0 1.8 2 NJ Claude_Vilgrain 55.0 0.0 0 MTL Patrick_Kjellberg 55.0 0.0 0 OTT Alexei_Yashin 55.0 0.0 0 WSH Randy_Burridge 55.0 0.0 0 EDM Dean_McAmmond 55.0 0.0 0 CGY Cory_Stillman 55.0 0.0 0 TB Brent_Gretzky 55.0 0.0 0 BUF Jason_Dawe 55.0 0.0 0 WSH Brian_Sakic 55.0 0.0 0 VAN Igor_Larionov 55.0 0.0 0 CHI Sergei_Krivokrasov 55.0 0.0 0 QUE Peter_Forsberg -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 4572,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 51 i have a question for you all related to this. jesus condemns divorce several times in the new testament, and i have a hard time with this. the catholic church (as far as i can tell) does grant annulments with the statement that the marriage never really existed in God's eyes. (please, if i am mistinterpreting, correct me.) however, i have witnessed marriages where two people were very much in love but recognized that they were destroying themselves and each other by staying in a marriage, and that the problems were due to personal childhood issues that had never been resolved. i ask you, is divorce justified in such a case? they knew who they were, what they were doing, they were deeply in love, but in the end, it did not work out. i must admit that i don't see jesus forcing them to live together, or even condemning that they go and seek happiness with someone else later on. opinions? vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ******************************************************************************* [This is a commonly discussed question, though it's been long enough that I'll allow it to be asked. As you might expect, there is a range of answers. Catholics and some others will say that divorce is never justified. (By the way, in situations where someone is being abused, or for other serious cause, separation is allowed by all traditions that I know. No one should be forced to stay in a situation where they are in danger.) Others see it as a last resort in situations that have fallen apart badly enough that the best we can hope for is to choose the lesser of evils. In some sense the difficult legal question turns out not to be divorce, but remarriage. That's because of Jesus' statement in Mark 10:11-12 and par. As with so many other things, this turns on your approach to the Bible. Conservative Protestants tend to see statements like this as having no exceptions. More liberal ones are willing to make allowances for situations where a literal interpretation would lead to painful results. (It is noted that at the time it was possible for a man to divorce his wife almost on a whim. Thus a common explanation in the more liberal approach is that Jesus was trying to protect people from this sort of thing, not to establish an absolute rule to which there could never be exceptions.) Catholics, as is typical with Catholic ethics, take a theoretical hard line, but allow for exceptions in practice through the process of anullment. In the last discussion most of our non-Catholic readers seemed to accept with some reluctance that in some cases there might be no good alternative, but there was a feeling that the church should often be doing a better job of helping people prepare for marriage and deal with problems that come up during it, and that in a properly run church, divorce should not be necessary. --clh] " 4573,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 56 In article ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes: >In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >> >>What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ?? > >The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking >the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts. >If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit. There certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of a global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are, however, others (and, they are often far more visible/vocal than the former) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force. I would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing ""Islamicization"" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same approach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side's power are certainly a threat. To Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance of those *outside* its own ""group"". If I am told that ""I am not one of you"" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat. If I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic world and *actively did not* accept my ""minority"" status, I *would also certainly* see Islam's domination as having been acheived, and maintained, through the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities within their ranks. >> >>Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer. > >I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions: I am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian nationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way. > >1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many >of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more >than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? > *** For the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous for Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT. >2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of >the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? [I refer to the ""most"" you also refer to] Because they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that this area *is* to some degree part of their belief/religion/heritage/ identity/etc. I too strongly object to those that justify Israeli ""rule"" of those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The ""occupied territories"" are not Israel's to control, to keep, or to dominate. > Tim " 4574,12,"From: cph@dmu.ac.uk (Chris Hand) Subject: Re: PC Based Layout Program Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Frank Hielscher (hielsche@aragorn.CSEE.Lehigh.Edu) wrote: : The PADS*.ZIP files contain subdirectories, and have to be unzipped : via ""pkunzip -d"". Then an xcopy /s to three floppies creates the disks : needed to do the install. I'm still not sure how this is supposed to work, since the .ZIP files took up about 2.5Mb, so it must be a tight squeeze on those floppies... However, I managed to install PADS and I'm pretty impressed. I created a couple of schematics without problem, but whenever I try to create a PCB layout from one of *my* circuits (rather than the demos) it doesn't work. I'm wondering if maybe a file isn't where it should be... Can anyone who has a printed manual comment on whether the registration fee is worth paying? Chris -- Chris Hand, Lecturer Internet mail: cph@dmu.ac.uk Dept of Computing Science, Voice: +44 533 551551 x8476 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax: +44 533 541891 FIDOnet: 2:440/32.50 LEICESTER, UK LE1 9BH >> Linux: *free* unix for IBM PCs! << " 4575,4,"From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase) Subject: Re: Upgrading PB170 Memory Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr17.185806.7216@ncar.ucar.edu>, bill@lhotse.hao.ucar.edu (Bill Roberts) wrote: > > I have one of the original Powerbook 170's (with 4Mb of Ram) and find > that 4Mb is a drag when trying to do my work. So, what is the best way > to get the maximum RAM for this unit, and what's it going to cost me? > I'm hoping I can get the latest and best info from real users by posting > to this group. Well Bill, There are 2MB soldered on the logic board and 2MB in the RAM expansion slot giving you 4MB. The only thing you can do to upgrade to the maximum Ram is to remove the 2MB expansion and install a 6MB expansion, giving you a total of 8MB which is the max on a 170....You can try calling TechWorks, or any other memory vendors out of MacWeek, MacWorld...etc.... <==================================+==================================> Peter Haase + Internet: haase@meediv.lanl.gov Network Manager + Los Alamos National Laboratory " 4576,11,"From: abaum@armltd.uucp (Allen Baum) Subject: Re: 80-bit keyseach machine Organization: Advanced RISC Machines Ltd Lines: 13 jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: (regarding NSA monitoring of US military code traffic) >[BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case >shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.] On the contrary- The Walker spy case is one where the KGB was given keys (as I recall) -- ---------------- Allen J. Baum Apple Computer baum@apple.com, abaum@armltd.co.uk " 4577,5,From: min@stella.skku.ac.KR (Hyoung Bok Min) Subject: subscribe Organization: The Internet Lines: 3 To: expert@expo.lcs.mit.edu subscribe min@stella.skku.ac.kr 4578,10,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: Sweden-Finland, April 14 In-Reply-To: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 06:32:53 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 36 In <1993Apr15.063253.17375@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se writes: > > Played in Stockholm Globe arena, April 14 1993: > =============================================== > > SWEDEN - FINLAND 4-3 (2-0,0-2,2-1) > > 1st: SWE 1-0 Jan Larsson (Stefan Nilsson,Patrik Juhlin) 3:15 > SWE 2-0 Peter Popovic (Mikael Renberg,Thomas Rundqvist) 16:20 > 2nd: FIN 2-1 Mika Nieminen (Ville Siren,Mikko Haapakoski) 0:40 > FIN 2-2 Timo Saarikoski (Vesa Viitakoski,Harri Laurila) 17:48 (sh) > 3rd: SWE 3-2 Fredrik Stillman (Stefan Nilsson,Patrik Juhlin) 7:35 (pp) > SWE 4-2 Mikael Renberg 8:40 > FIN 4-3 Saku Koivu (Mika Alatalo) 13:17 > > Shots on goal: Penalties: Attendance: Referee: > Sweden 14 12 15 - 41 4*2min 12,470 Borje Johansson > Finland 12 9 9 - 30 9*2min (Sweden) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, if things were different and I had my way, the headline would be: ""NHL, European Division regular season game: Stockholm Storm vs. Helsinki Tornado 4-3..."" Two games against every North American-based team (46 in all), and this might have been the ninth and final regular season encounter between Helsinki and Stockholm. The remaining 27 games would involve Paris, Dortmund, Milan... A nice dream. MARCU$ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson > \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se > \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 4579,2,"From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 19 Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu In article <1993Apr15.180633.3437@trintex.uucp>, charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () writes: >Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about >simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to >would be pirates? > ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not going to promote that here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 4580,15,"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) Subject: Re: old vs. new testament Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd. Lines: 39 REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: >We can jillustrate this by pointing to the way God administers His judgment. >In the OT, sins were not forgiven, but rather covered up. In the age of the >Church not only are sins forgiven (taken away), but the power of SIN is put to >death. ... My, this distinction seems quite arbitrary. Blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sin is covered. (Ps. 32:1). and quoted by the apostle Paul: Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (Rom. 4:6-8) The biblical perspective seems to be that foregiveness and covering are parallel/equivalent concepts in both testaments. The dispensational distinction is unwarranted. > During the millenium, we read that sins are dealt with immediately >under the present (ie that Christ is present on earth) rulership of Christ. I'm sure Rex has Scripture to back this up. You're suggesting Jesus is going to travel around dealing with individual violations of His law -- for millions perhaps billions of people. Such activity for Moses the lawgiver was considered unwise (cf. Ex. 18:13ff). It makes for interesting speculation, though. I'll leave comments on the so-called ""bema seat"" vs. ""throne"" judgments to someone else. This also seems like more unnecessary divisions ala dispensationalism. -- Tom Albrecht " 4581,5,"From: Gary Keim Subject: Re: X Toolkits Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 23-Apr-93 X Toolkits Paul Prescod@undergrad.m (1132) > I am getting Linux, so I will have InterViews, but I don't know how it > will look. I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't > know what it looks like either. If you're on the internet and your site isn't sheltered from external tcp/ip traffic, you can use the Remote Andrew Demo to see what the Andrew Toolkit looks like: Remote Andrew Demo Service This network service allows you to run Andrew Toolkit applications without the overhead of obtaining or compiling the Andrew software. You need a host machine on the Internet, and you need to be running the X11 window system. A simple ""finger"" command will allow you to experience ATK applications firsthand. You'll be able to compose multimedia documents, navigate through the interactive Andrew Tour, and use the Andrew Message System to browse through CMU's three thousand bulletin boards and newsgroups. To use the Remote Andrew Demo service, simply run the following command on your machine: finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu The service will give you further instructions. Gary Keim Andrew Consortium " 4582,6,"From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen) Subject: Borland Software for sale - CHEAP! Organization: Wright State University Lines: 22 For Sale: Turbo Pascal 5.5 - all original manuals and disks: $30 obo + shipping Borland Paradox 3.5 with tall boxed manual set & Kallista desktop - all original disks. $50 obo + shipping Borland Paradox 4.0 - opened but never used. All manuals & disks. $125 obo + shipping Borland Quattro Pro 4.0 (DOS) all manuals & disks. $40 obo + shipping E-mail or phone if interested. John Hansen (513) 257-6084 -- John C. Hansen hansen@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil ""... I am working on cse0080@wsu.bitnet a suitable quote..."" cse0080@desire.wright.edu - John Hansen " 4583,8,"From: jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Nntp-Posting-Host: hiroshima.rest.ri.cmu.edu Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu Organization: Omron Corporation / Carnegie Mellon Lines: 28 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: |> In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: |> >Ultra sticky labels printed with your |> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of |> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. |> |> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the |> thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend |> damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by |> the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they |> were assuming by pulling that stunt. (not that logic has anything to do with it, but...) I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving, or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an additional factor in attributing ""blame"". Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different story with that that nice paint job on the door.... *jeff* -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey E.F. Friedl Omron Corporation, Nagaokakyo (Kyoto), Japan jfriedl@omron.co.jp, jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu [ DoD##4 N8XBK CBR250R ] Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh " 4584,4,"From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com Subject: Apple CD300 CDROM ""freebies"". Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. Lines: 19 In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: > ... reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, > but I can't confirm it. > > Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu I've got two CD300's... The first one i ordered Jan 15, and I received it Feb. 20. The second one I ordered Jan 20th, and I just got it April 2nd or so. Anyway, they both come with 10 misc. CDROMs... Things like a ""Intro to Nautilis"", a sample CD of Kodak pictures, ""From Alice to Ocean"" (a story of a woman who treked across Austrailia), 3 discs from apple, a games disc, an applications disc, and a ""titles"" disc (haven't checked most of these out yet). Also some ""Cinderella"" thing for kids, a disc of Mozart something-or-others, etc. etc. etc. If someone's super interested, I'll make a list of the exact titles and post them. They are all in the category of ""Interesting, but probably fairly useless..."". It was rumored that the earliest units shipped with SOME encyclocpedia (it may have), but neither of my drives had that. -jeff adams- " 4585,14,"From: hathaway@stsci.edu Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Distribution: na Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Lines: 101 >Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space >Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. > (excerpts from posting on this topic) >In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au >(Enzo Liguori) writes: > >>Now, Space Marketing >>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >>orbit. >... >>... the real purpose of the project is to help the environment! >>The platform will carry ozone monitors > >... >I can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant >effect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day, >but nobody complains about that. Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only >be visible during twilight when the sky is already bright, and even if >it would have some miniscule impact, it would be only for a short time >as it goes zipping across the sky. > (I've seen satellites at midnight - they're not only in twilight.) :o) >... > >From the book ""Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla"" by John J. O'Neill: > >""This remarkable conductivity of gases, including the air, at low >pressures, led Tesla to suggest, in a published statement in 1914, a >system of lighting on a terrestrial scale in which he proposed to treat >the whole Earth, with its surrounding atmosphere, as if it were a >single lamp.... >The whole Earth would be transformed into a giant lamp, with the night >sky completely illuminated. ... making the night as bright as day."" > Now my comments: I'd like to add that some of the ""protests"" do not come from a strictly practical consideration of what pollution levels are acceptable for research activities by professional astronomers. Some of what I would complain about is rooted in aesthetics. Many readers may never have known a time where the heavens were pristine - sacred - unsullied by the actions of humans. The space between the stars as profoundly black as an abyss can be. With full horizons and a pure sky one could look out upon half of all creation at a time - none of which had any connection with the petty matters of man. Any lights were supplied solely by nature; uncorruptable by men. Whole religions were based on mortal man somehow getting up there and becoming immortal as the stars, whether by apotheosis or a belief in an afterlife. The Space Age changed all that. The effect of the first Sputniks and Echo, etc. on this view could only happen once. To see a light crossing the night sky and know it was put there by us puny people is still impressive and the sense of size one gets by assimilating the scales involved is also awesome - even if the few hundreds or thousands of miles involved is still dwarfed by the rest of the universe. But there is still a hunger for the pure beauty of a virgin sky. Yes, I know aircraft are almost always in sight. I have to live in a very populated area (6 miles from an international airport currently) where light pollution on the ground is ghastly. The impact of humans is so extreme here - virtually no place exists that has not been shaped, sculpted, modified, trashed or whipped into shape by the hands of man. In some places the only life forms larger than bacteria are humans, cockroaches, and squirrels (or rats). I visited some friends up in the Appalacian mountains one weekend, ""getting away from it all"" (paved roads, indoor plumbing, malls, ...) and it felt good for a while - then I quickly noticed the hollow was directly under the main flight path into Dulles - 60-80 miles to the east. (Their 'security light' didn't help matters much either.) But I've heard the artic wilderness gets lots of high air traffic. So I know the skies are rarely perfect. But there is still this desire to see a place that man hasn't fouled in some way. (I mean they've been TRYING this forever - like, concerning Tesla's idea to banish night, - wow!) I don't watch commercial television, but I can imagine just how disgusting beer, truck, or hemmorrhoid ointment advertisements would be if seen up so high. If ya' gotta make a buck on it (displaying products in heaven), at least consider the reactions from those for whom the sky is a last beautiful refuge from the baseness of modern life. To be open about this though, I have here my listing of the passage of HST in the evening sky for this weekend - tonight Friday at 8:25 p.m. EDT it will reach an altitude of 20.1 degrees on the local meridian from Baltimore vicinity. I'll be trying to see it if I can - it _is_ my mealticket after all. So I suppose I could be called an elitist for supporting this intrusion on the night sky while complaining about billboards proposed by others. Be that as it may, I think my point about a desire for beauty is valid, even if it can't ever be perfectly achieved. Regards, Wm. Hathaway Baltimore MD " 4586,16,"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 2 Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 99 Here is a press release from the White House. President Clinton's Remarks On Waco With Q/A To: National Desk Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, April 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following are remarks by President Clinton in a question and answer session with the press (Part 2 of 2): Go ahead, Sarah. Q There are two questions I want to ask you. The first is, I think that they knew very well that the children did not have gas masks while the adults did, so the children had no chance because this gas was very -- she said it was not lethal, but it was very dangerous to the children and they could not have survived without gas masks. And on February 28th -- let's go back -- didn't those people have a right to practice their religion? THE PRESIDENT: They were not just practicing their religion, they were -- the Treasury Department believed that they had violated federal laws, any number of them. Q What federal laws -- THE PRESIDENT: Let me go back and answer -- I can't answer the question about the gas masks, except to tell you that the whole purpose of using the tear gas was that it had been tested; they were convinced that it wouldn't kill either a child or an adult but it would force anybody that breathed it to run outside. And one of the things that I've heard -- I don't want to get into the details of this because I don't know -- but one of the things that they were speculating about today was that the wind was blowing so fast that the windows might have been opened and some of the gas might have escaped and that may be why it didn't have the desired effect. They also knew, Sarah, that there was an underground compound -- a bus buried underground where the children could be sent. And they were -- I think they were hoping very much that if the children were not released immediately outside that the humane thing would be done and that the children would be sent someplace where they could be protected. In terms of the gas masks themselves, I learned yesterday -- I did not ask this fact question before -- that the gas was supposed to stay active in the compound longer than the gas masks themselves were to work. So that it was thought that even if they all had gas masks, that eventually the gas would force them out in a nonviolent, nonshooting circumstance. MS. MYERS: Last question. Q Mr. President, why are you still saying that -- Q Could you tell us whether or not you ever asked Janet Reno about the possibility of a mass suicide? And when you learned about the actual fire and explosion what went through your mind during those horrendous moments? THE PRESIDENT: What I asked Janet Reno is if they had considered all the worse things that could happen. And she said -- and, of course, the whole issue of suicide had been raised in the public -- he had -- that had been debated anyway. And she said that the people who were most knowledgeable about these kinds of issues concluded that there was no greater risk of that now than there would be tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or at anytime in the future. That was the judgment they made. Whether they were right or wrong, of course, we will never know. What happened when I saw the fire, when I saw the building burning? I was sick. I felt terrible. And my immediate concern was whether the children had gotten out and whether they were escaping or whether they were inside, trying to burn themselves up. That's the first thing I wanted to know. Thank you. Q Mr. President, why are you still saying it was a Janet Reno decision? Isn't it, in the end, your decision? THE PRESIDENT: Well, what I'm saying is that I didn't have a four- or five-hour, detailed briefing from the FBI. I didn't go over every strategic part of it. It is a decision for which I take responsibility. I'm the President of the United States and I signed off on the general decision and giving her the authority to make the last call. When I talked to her on Sunday, some time had elapsed. She might have made a decision to change her mind. I said, if you decide to go forward with this tomorrow, I will support you. And I do support her. She is not ultimately responsible to the American people; I am. But I think she has conducted her duties in an appropriate fashion and she has dealt with this situation I think as well as she could have. Thank you. (Applause.) -30- " 4587,5,"From: queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) Subject: whole win on screen? Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 18 Window placement on screen -------------------------- I would like to configure my system (a HP UNIX) to avoid that any corner of a given window is displayed outside of the visible screen. The whole window should be visible and it should be impossible to move any window outside the visible aerea. 1. Can this be done by configuring the window manager's resources 2. Can this be done on applikation level 3. A hardcoded solution is possible, but is it possible to have a upper limit of a given window size Thank you for information and help " 4588,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 22 In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, >should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many >years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His Your suggestion to learn something about ""the perversion of Judaism"" from someone you claim has experience in Israeli intelligence and the PLO is like a suggestion to learn something about the conspiracy of Sesame Street from someone with experience in fashion design and pizza-making. >latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis >of Judeo-Nazism. ""Judeo-Nazism""? CPR, you're in a league with Barf Shmidling himself. You can take that as a compliment, if you see it that way. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 4589,18,"From: ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >>: >>: As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >>: is insuring that the ""limited government"" they seek does not become the >>: tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >>: [...] >It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen. While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area. I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many instances. >Just >as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how >weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >condition. I suspect that this is because ""improvement in the human condition"" as you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of government coercion except in a very limited cases. -- Ian Sutherland ian@eecs.nwu.edu Sans Peur " 4590,6,"From: rob@mother.bates.edu (Rob Spellman) Subject: 3M DC6150s for sale Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, ME Lines: 10 We no longer use quarter inch tape for backups, and have a case of unopened DC6150s for sale. I'll sell the lot, or in boxes of 5 tapes each. -- Rob Spellman rob@mother.bates.edu Computing Support Services Bates College " 4591,18,"From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () Subject: New 'GUESS' Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Santa Cruz Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: >Clayton Cramer writes: >#Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >#and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >#homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >#male population. > >Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing >to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more >willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly >promiscious)? > >I didn't think that you did. > >-- >-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia It is obvious that Mr. Cramer has the 'ability' to take the 'leap of faith'. I have listened to several of the men involved in this study, and even they claim that the men involved will not 'tell the whole truth'. I put little value in extrapolating from these types of 'studies' or 'surveys', they have limited subsets of individuals, and there is alot of skewing due to improper selection methods, and the bias of the people involved in the studies on both sides- subject and researcher. Would you admit to be part of a group that was not very well liked? Would you admit to having had sex with other people at some considered abnormal rate (this applies to heterosexual men). In fact, as one gay man and one straight man put it, ""men lie about the number of partners, because that's the thing to do""- our culture for the male almost requires this type of response. It may seem harmless and silly, but carries a large emotional and mental price tag. I hear college male students everyday talking about their 'supposed' conquest. They just have to look good to one another, at least in their eyes. But also know that alot of this does go on, there are many college males (hetero) having a lot of sex with different partners. " 4592,7,"From: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (George Kirkaldie) Organization: Sanitarium BBS - Cambridge, Ontario, Canada Subject: Re: birds - are they physics majors? Reply-To: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep 5 1992 Lines: 28 In , Operator writes: }Crazy question: ""Anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car }going over 65 MPH"" ? } }I took a non-stop trip, got shitted on FOUR times (every time hitting the }windshield, not even the open sunroof! Guess we have conscientious birds ;) }Was going 75 MPH. } } I used to have a '67 Galaxie convertible, was sitting at a light waiting for it to turn green. It turned green, but I hesitated a little (sleeping I guess) and a bird bombed me, it landed directly in front of me at eye level, I guess the bird miscalculated and thought I was going to take off right away. And I'm still trying to figure out the one I got under my rear bumper as well ?!?!?! Was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and decided to drop one while executing a perfect loop?? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT030 |'87 Mustang GT |George Kirkaldie ||| |Pioneer, Audio Control |gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca ||| |Phoenix Gold, Kicker | / | \ |Flowmaster, Motorsport |Cambridge, Ontario, Canada A T A R I | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4593,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Mike Francesa's 1993 Predictions Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr5.123904.17806@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (vaughn,richard) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.171819.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: >> In article <1993Apr2.133703.28131@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, dick1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (vaughn,richard) writes: >>> Mike Francesa mentioned his '93 baseball picks in >>> passing on the radio yesterday. Being that this is Francesa >>> talkin', the opinions are well worth consideration. >> Indeed! After all, he was the wizard foresaw the Year of the Big East in the >> NCAA Tournament! Unfortunatly, none of those teams made it into the Sweet >> Sixteen, much less New Orleans. Neither did he! >Overall Mike Francesa has an *outstanding* prediction record. Overall? How do you figure? >Ignore him at your own peril. So far my radio hasn't exploded from not being tuned to 660... Roger " 4594,6,"From: sponna@eos.ncsu.edu (SRIKANTH PONNAPALLI) Subject: Super Scope6 for sale (SNES) Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 17 Hello folks, I've a super scope 6 for sale, it comes with a CRT and all boxes and instructions included $50 shipping included. I got that only a month back and used only twice. -- ,,, ,,, (o o) (o o) _______oOO__(_)__OOo______________________oOO__(_)__OOo________ | | | | Srikanth Ponnapalli | E-mail address: | | PoBox: 5604, | | | Raleigh N.C. 27650-5604 | sponna@eos.ncsu.edu | | Phone:(919) 781-5448 | ponna-s@aza.csc.ncsu.edu | | (after 9:00 pm) | sponnapa@math.ncsu.edu | | | | _______________________________________________________________ (__) (__) (__) (__) " 4595,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Mon, April 19, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 79 Toronto 1 1 1--3 Detroit 1 4 1--6 First period 1, Detroit, Yzerman 1 (Gallant, Ciccarelli) 4:48. 2, Toronto, Cullen 1 (Clark, Gill) 10:44. Second period 3, Detroit, Sheppard 1 (Probert, Coffey) pp, 5:04. 4, Detroit, Burr 1 (Racine) sh, 6:42. 5, Detroit, Chiasson 1 (Coffey) pp,11:00. 6, Detroit, Howe 1 (Yzerman, Drake) 14:46. 7, Toronto, Gilmour 1 (Borschevsky, Ellett) pp, 19:59. Third period 8, Detroit, Racine 1 (Primeau, Drake) 5:10. 9, Toronto, Lefebvre 1 (Cullen, Pearson) 7:45. Detroit: 6 Power play: 6-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Burr 1 0 1 Chiasson 1 0 1 Ciccarelli 0 1 1 Coffey 0 2 2 Drake 0 2 2 Gallant 0 1 1 Howe 1 0 1 Primeau 0 1 1 Probert 0 1 1 Racine 1 1 2 Sheppard 1 0 1 Yzerman 1 1 2 Toronto: 3 Power play: 5-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Borschevsky 0 1 1 Clark 0 1 1 Cullen 1 1 2 Ellett 0 1 1 Gill 0 1 1 Gilmour 1 0 1 Lefebvre 1 0 1 Pearson 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Winnipeg 1 0 1--2 Vancouver 2 0 2--4 First period 1, Vancouver, Adams 1 (Linden, Bure) pp, 1:23. 2, Vancouver, Craven 1 (Bure, Murzyn) 9:56. 3, Winnipeg, Steen 1 (Shannon, Housley) pp, 17:53. Second period No scoring. Third period 4, Winnipeg, King 1 (Barnes) 3:43. 5, Vancouver, Linden 1(Courtnall, McLean) 12:16. 6, Vancouver, Ronning 1 (Courtnall) 18:31. Vancouver: 4 Power play: 6-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Adams 1 0 1 Bure 0 2 2 Courtnall 0 2 2 Craven 1 0 1 Linden 1 1 2 McLean 0 1 1 Murzyn 0 1 1 Ronning 1 0 1 Winnipeg: 2 Power play: 3-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barnes 0 1 1 Housley 0 1 1 King 1 0 1 Shannon 0 1 1 Steen 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- " 4596,8,"From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.184322.18666 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (R ussell P. Hughes) writes: >What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing >in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs, >opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it >started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first >ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection >done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Therein lies the rub. The HD slash cut, or baloney cuts as some call them, ARE NOT STOCK mufflers. They're sold for ""off-road use only,"" and are much louder than stock mufflers. Arnie " 4597,10,"From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week Distribution: na Organization: HMS Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu In article mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes: >United States TV Schedule: >April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone) >April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones) >April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone) >April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN >April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN >April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN > A little supplement Basic Mike's info : For Sundday's opener on ABC, these are the announcing crews : Devils/Isles at Pittsburgh - Gary Thorne(play-by-play),Bill Clement(color) and Al Morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms. This telecast will primarily seen on the East Coast. St.Louis at Chicago - Mike Emrick(play - by play),Jim Schoendfeld(color) and Tom Mees roaming the halls. This telecast will primarily be seen in the Midwest and parts of the South. LA at Calgary - Al ""Do You Believe in Mircales?"" Michaels(play by play), John Davidson(color) and Mark Jones as a roaming reporter. This telecast will be seen in the Western USA. Montreal's naitive,Jon Saunders will be hosting in the studio. ABC will do ""Up and Close and Personal"" with Mario during Saturday's Wide World of Sports(4:30EDT). Sunday will be the first NHL playoff or regular network telecast in 13 years... not counting those silly All-Star games on NBC for the last few years... For Sunday's games,ABC will use 8 mikes(2 behind on the goal),super-super-slo-mo, close-ups of player's faces at face-offs. ESPN/ABC will not be able to use its new favorite toy,the ice-level shot, in Pittsburgh where too many seats would have to removed to employ it... In case of a blowout in progress in Pittsburgh,ABC will switch to Chicago game but will come back to the Pittsburgh game for updates or if the game gets closer(Ha!).. ABC expects huge ratings(by hockey standards) since all 3 Top US TV-markets are involved - NY metro area(NY Islanders/NJ Devils),Chicago(BlackHawks), and LA(Kings). Stay tuned, Thanks Mike, -PPV Mark " 4598,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 34 In <1psg95$ree@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: [On the issue of 'burning' nuclear wastes using particle beams...] >How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't >do it? Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-) >Gee fred. After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology >for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like >this. I sometimes wonder if your newsfeed gives you different articles than everyone else, Pat. Just a *few* corrections: 1) I never 'defended' 20kHz power, other than as something reasonable to GO LOOK AT. 2) I have also never opposed a *research project* into feasibility of the spalling reactor approach to 'cleaning' nuclear waste -- I simply doubt it could be made to work in the Real World (tm), which ought to become clear fairly quickly during a research program into feasibility (sort of like what happened to 20 kHz power -- it proved to have a down-side that was too expensive to overcome). I figure 2 things wrong in a single sentence is a high enough fault density for even you, Pat. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 4599,10,"From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: My Predictions of a classic playoff year! Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: holland@geop.ubc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: crisium.astro.ubc.ca In article 12934@ac.dal.ca, 06paul@ac.dal.ca () writes: > > STANLEY CUP FINALS >Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens > (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! > Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. You know... after I finished laughing I thought: This would be a great final. Two Canadian teams with lots of tradition and all that Don Cherry nonsense behind them and a nail-biter finish. Of course, I would prefer a Vancouver--Montreal final with Vancouver scoring the final goal.... Pity neither will happen. steve holland " 4600,11,"From: tribe831@snake.cs.uidaho.edu (Mr. Duane Tribe; Esq.) Subject: Underground encryption (was Re: text of White House announcement ...) Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow Lines: 28 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals >are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine >that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs >for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted >voice communications, will be distributed only through the >""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that >they are protecting their privacy. Some thoughts: Has any work been done on encapsulating encrypted data inside ""non-encrypted"" data files? Many file formats can be written with ""gaps"" in them to hide other data. New file formats could be designed to have alternate data hidden by dispersing it amongst the ""legitimate"" data. The hidden data would only show up with the right key(s), and a file with hidden data would be indistinguishable from one without. So, only the correct key(s) would reveal the presence of an ""illegal"" document. If I devise a custom file compression algorithm and only I and a friend have the uncompressor, and otherwise the file appears to be total gigerish, do I have the right to transmit the file? Will we have to ""escrow"" all our data file formats? Are gangs required to escrow their hand signals, colors and catch phrases? I think that it's important to evaluate the content of electronic speach by replacing the media with pen and paper or verbal speach and then re-ask the question. " 4601,5,"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: Asynchronous X Windows? Organization: The Internet Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu >> No, it isn't. It is the ""X Window System"", or ""X11"", or ""X"" or any of >> a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium. In fact, >> doing ""man X"" on pretty much any X11 machine will tell you: >> >> The X Consortium requests that the following names be used >> when referring to this software: >> >> X >> X Window System >> X Version 11 >> X Window System, Version 11 >> X11 >> >> There is no such thing as ""X Windows"" or ""X Window"", despite the repeated >> misuse of the forms by the trade rags. This probably tells you something >> about how much to trust the trade rags -- if they can't even get the NAME >> of the window system right, why should one trust anything else they have >> to say? I used to think this way, and not just about X. For example, incorrect English constructs such as ""its raining"" or ""it's window id"" annoy me. However, there comes a time when popular usage starts to dictate the way things really are in the world. Indeed, the fact that X won out over NeWS was really down to popular opinion (I know, we all think it's(!) technically superior as well!). On a related topic, who is to say that ""color"" is more or less correct than ""colour"" - being Irish, and hence using English English as opposed to American English, I always use the latter except, of course, for API terms such as ""XAllocColor"" and ""colormap"". In a world that uses the term ""Windows"" to refer to Microsoft Windows, perhaps the time has come to accept ""X Windows"" as a valid term for X. I think that this is a more concise and uncluttered term than, say, ""the X Window System"" and, let's face it, almost everyone uses it. Ultimately, we all need product sales to more than just X-literate people. In this respect, product recognition is important and a short, snappy, descriptive title (""X"" is positively obscure) will help when dealing with the average punter (it's sad - I thought I was a software engineer!). Indeed it is unfortunate that X did not become popularly known as Windows and let MS worry about whether it should be called ""Microsoft Windows"" or ""the Microsoft Window System"" or how about just plain ""Microsoft""! To summarise (or should that be ""summarize"") the point of this message: I think there are far more pressing issues facing the X community than worrying about subtle distinctions in the naming of the window system (or should that be ""windowing system""). Whatever gets recognised is fine by me. I agree that one should be careful in interpreting what trade papers say. However, I would be reluctant to come to this conclusion purely on the basis of how they name the X Window System. Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. " 4602,3,"From: korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) Subject: Re: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard Keywords: 486, motherboard Organization: Network Management Technology Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 26 In article schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes: >I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with >HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)? >Any information would be helpful! >thanks >Brian J Schaufenbuel I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look- ing to replace it for exactly this reason. Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA DMA. Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a EISA SCSI host adapter. -- Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com) Network Management Technology Incorporated Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357 " 4603,4,"From: quan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan) Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 22 In article hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes: >nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: > >>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? >>Mine lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what >>I can tell, it looks like Apple welded it shut. > > You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2 >seconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open >much like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn >at first but it is quite simple to open. > Nope. I'm pretty sure that this person knows how to take the ball out. I think that what they want to do is take the mouse apart. The old mouse had four screws on the bottom that you could unscrew to do this, while there's no obvious way to take the new one apart. --Tony quan@cs.stanford.edu " 4604,19,"From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) Subject: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is) Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U Lines: 54 Frank, I tried to mail this but it bounced. It is fast moving out of t.a scope, but I didn't know if t.a was the only group of the three that you subscribed to. Apologies to regular t.a folks. In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, >as you would wish it. You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I see it used normally. And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to ""the real world"". Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning those perceptions. It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see. Values are ... well they are what I value. They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience rather than not, and so on. Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are applicable to everyone. >If there is no such thing as objective value, then science can not >objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. I don't agree. Science is useful insofar as it the predictions mentioned above are accurate. That is insofar as what I think *will be* the effect on my perceptions of a time lapse (with or without my input to the Universe) versus what my perceptions actually turn out to be. But values are about whether I like (in the loosest sense of the word) the perceptions :-) >Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said >to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. I don't see why. 'Usefulness' in science is synonomous with 'accuracy' - period. Tarot predictions are not useful because they are not accurate - or can't be shown to be accurate. Science is useful because it is apparently accurate. Values - objective or otherwise - are beside the point. No? tommy " 4605,11,"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 28 In article <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) writes: > I set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of > files on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users > connect they send a private key encrypted using the system public > key and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the > one-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The > result of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it > is impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the > machine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed > system private key to entice users into revealing thier personal > private keys during the authentication sequence. > >Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated... > Just a question. As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F " 4606,13,"From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Lines: 101 Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California [Newsgroups: m.h.a added, followups set to most appropriate groups.] In <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: >I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow >do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. (It's ""Kirlian"". ""Krillean"" pictures are portraits of tiny shrimp. :) [...] >One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object >within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. I think it's safe to say that anything that's not at 0 degrees Kelvin will have its own ""energy signature"" -- the interesting questions are what kind of energy, and what it signifies. I'd check places like Edmund Scientific (are they still in business?) -- or I wonder if you can find ex-Soviet Union equipment for sale somewhere in the relcom.* hierarchy. Some expansion on Kirlian photography: From the credulous side: [Stanway, Andrew, _Alternative Medicine: A Guide To Natural Therapies_, ISBN 0-14-008561-0, New York: Viking Penguin, 1986, p211, p188. A not-overly critical but still useful overview of 32 alternative health therapies.] ...the Russian engineer Semyon Kirlian and his wife Valentina during the 1950s. Using alternating currents of high frequency to 'illuminate' their subjects, they photographed them. They found that if an object was a good conductor (such as a metal) the picture showed only its surface, while the pictures of poor conductors showed the inner structure of the object even if it were optically opaque. They found too that these high frequency pictures could distinguish between dead and living objects. Dead ones had a constant outline whilst living ones were subject to changes. The object's life activity was also visible in highly variable colour patterns. High frequency photography has now been practised for twenty years in the Soviet Union but only a few people in the West have taken it up seriously. Professor Douglas Dean in New York and Professor Philips at Washington University in St Louis have produced Kirlian photographs and others have been produced in Brazil, Austria and Germany. Using Kirlian photography it is possible to show an aura around people's fingers, notably around those of healers who are concentrating on healing someone. Normally, blue and white rays emanate from the fingers but, when a subject becomes angry or excited, the aura turns red and spotty. The Soviets are now using Kirlian photography to diagnose diseases which cannot be diagnosed by any other method. They argue that in most illnesses there is a preclinical stage during which the person isn't actually ill but is about to be. They claim to be able to foretell a disease by photographing its preclinical phase. But the most exciting phenomenon illustrated by Kirlian photography is the phantom effect. During high frequency photography of a leaf from which a part had been cut, the photograph gave a complete picture of the leaf with the removed part showing up faintly. This is extremely important because it backs up the experiences of psychics who can 'see' the legs of amputees as if they were still there. The important thing about the Kirlian phantoms though is that the electromagnetic pattern can't possibly represent a secondary phenomenon -- or the field would vanish when the piece of leaf or leg vanished. The energy grid contained in a living object must therefore be far more significant than the actual object itself. [...] Kirlian photography has shown how water mentally 'charged' by a healer has a much richer energy field around it than ordinary water... From the incredulous side: [MacRobert, Alan, ""Reality shopping; a consumer's guide to new age hokum."", _Whole Earth Review_, Autumn 1986, vNON4 p4(11). An excellent article providing common-sense guidelines for evaluating paranormal claims, and some of the author's favorite examples of hokum.] The crank usually works in isolation from everyone else in his field of study, making grand discoveries in his basement. Many paranormal movements can be traced back to such people -- Kirlian photography, for instance. If you pump high-voltage electricity into anything it will emit glowing sparks, common knowledge to electrical workers and hobbyists for a century. It took a lone basement crank to declare that the sparks represent some sort of spiritual aura. In fact, Kirlian photography was subjected to rigorous testing by physicists John O. Pehek, Harry J. Kyler, and David L. Faust, who reported their findings in the October 15, 1976, issue of Science. Their conclusion: The variations observed in Kirlian photographs are due solely to moisture on the surface of the body and not to mysterious ""auras"" or even necessarily to changes in mood or mental state. Nevertheless, television shows, magazines, and books (many by famous parapsychologists) continue to promote Kirlian photography as proof of the unknown. -- Peter Kaminski kaminski@netcom.com " 4607,14,"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Lines: 9 In George F. Krumins writes: >It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the >wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be. Umm, perhaps you could explain what 'rights' we are talking about here .. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni " 4608,4,"From: jap10@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Pellettiere) Subject: Sigma Designs Double up?? Article-I.D.: usenet.1psdv2$gr5 Reply-To: jap10@po.CWRU.Edu Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu I am looking for any information about the Sigma Designs double up board. All I can figure out is that it is a hardware compression board that works with AutoDoubler, but I am not sure about this. Also how much would one cost? -- Joe jap10@po.cwru.edu " 4609,9,"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri., Apr. 16th, 1993 Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) Lines: 72 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu Keywords: mlb, 04.16 MLB Standings and Scores for Friday, April 16th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road San Francisco Giants 06 04 .600 -- 6-4 Won 1 03-01 03-03 Houston Astros 05 04 .556 0.5 5-4 Lost 1 00-03 05-01 Atlanta Braves 06 05 .545 0.5 5-5 Lost 2 03-03 03-02 Colorado Rockies 03 05 .375 2.0 3-5 Won 1 03-03 00-02 Los Angeles Dodgers 03 07 .300 3.0 3-7 Lost 4 00-03 03-04 San Diego Padres 02 07 .222 3.5 2-7 Lost 4 00-04 02-03 Cincinnati Reds 02 07 .222 3.5 2-7 Lost 3 01-02 01-05 NATIONAL EAST Philadelphia Phillies 08 01 .889 -- 8-1 Won 5 05-01 03-00 Pittsburgh Pirates 07 02 .778 1.0 7-2 Won 4 03-02 04-00 St. Louis Cardinals 07 02 .778 1.0 7-2 Won 3 04-02 03-00 New York Mets 04 04 .500 3.5 4-4 Lost 1 02-03 02-01 Chicago Cubs 04 05 .444 4.0 4-5 Won 1 01-02 03-03 Montreal Expos 04 05 .444 4.0 4-5 Won 1 01-02 03-03 Florida Marlins 03 06 .333 5.0 3-6 Won 1 02-04 01-02 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Texas Rangers 06 02 .750 -- 6-2 Lost 1 04-02 02-00 California Angels 05 02 .714 0.5 5-2 Won 3 03-02 02-00 Chicago White Sox 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Won 1 02-03 02-01 Minnesota Twins 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Lost 1 01-02 03-02 Oakland Athletics 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Lost 2 04-02 00-02 Seattle Mariners 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Lost 1 03-02 01-02 Kansas City Royals 02 07 .222 4.5 2-7 Won 1 01-05 01-02 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 07 02 .778 -- 7-2 Won 3 03-00 04-02 Toronto Blue Jays 05 03 .625 1.5 5-3 Won 1 04-02 01-01 New York Yankees 05 04 .556 2.0 5-4 Lost 1 02-01 03-03 Detroit Tigers 04 04 .500 2.5 4-4 Won 2 02-00 02-04 Cleveland Indians 03 06 .333 4.0 3-6 Lost 3 02-01 01-05 Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 4.0 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 Baltimore Orioles 02 06 .222 4.5 2-6 Won 1 00-02 02-04 YESTERDAY'S SCORES (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE Houston Astros 1 Seattle Mariners 1 Montreal Expos 2 Toronto Blue Jays 3 New York Mets 3 Oakland Athletics 2 Colorado Rockies 5 Detroit Tigers 3 Pittsburgh Pirates 5 Kansas City Royals 5 San Diego Padres 4 (13) New York Yankees 4 St. Louis Cardinals 4 Cleveland Indians 3 Los Angeles Dodgers 2 Boston Red Sox 4 (13) Atlanta Braves 1 California Angels PPD San Francisco Giants 6 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN Chicago Cubs IDLE Baltimore Orioles IDLE Cincinnati Reds IDLE Chicago White Sox IDLE Florida Marlins IDLE Minnesota Twins IDLE Philadelphia PhilliesIDLE Texas Rangers IDLE -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4610,18,"From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX Distribution: tx Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr13.210503.11099@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) writes: >I didn't see your post so I can't comment on it. My $.02 on high >speed rail is, I like it. I like it alot. It would be too bad to >see it tainted by corruption. that's all. The speed limit on commuter tracks in the northeast is 120MPH. We already have something that resembles high speed rail in this country and it requires massive government subsidies. We don't need another government boondoggle. -- John F. Haugh II [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [ DoF #17 ] @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org Look up ""Ponzi Scheme"" in a good dictionary - it will have a picture of Joe Liberal Handout right next to it. Stop federal spending. Cut the deficit. " 4611,18,"From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 23 In article kaldis@romulu .rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >> -- >> ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . >> \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . >> \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . > >The above smacks of antiHispanic bigotry. Really? What if it said ""lentil eating"" or ""legume eating"", what then? And I suppose ""Accept 10"" is anti-Octal bigotry? Geez, how PC can you get!? Uncle Fester -- : What God Wants : God wants gigolos : : God gets : God wants giraffes : : God help us all : God wants politics : : *thester@nyx.cs.du.edu* : God wants a good laugh : " 4612,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Getting Off to an Early Start! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 61 Patrick Townson writes: >So ... the Jury will be making its announcement at 7:00 AM Saturday >morning Pacific Time .... 10:00 AM Eastern Time. Why such an ungodly >hour? > >Maybe by making the announcement at 7:00 AM on the west coast, >they figure all the rioters will be asleep, giving the troops >time to move into place. Since the actual verdicts were not known by the authorities, it was smart not to allow ""Friday night for fighting"" (sorry, Elton) and to seal them for this morning. Also, it allows for maximum daylight to wear down and frustrate any potential troublemakers, as well as give more preparation time. >I guess we can look forward to a weekend of rioting, eh? Are you a local news intern? (-; >The Mayor of Los Angeles, in a press conference about 3:00 AM >Saturday morning, ... Actually, that was 8 PM 'cos it was shown live on our 11 PM news and cut into CNN's 11 O'clock Sports (sorry, but I didn't watch the Devils-Islanders game! No SportsChannel ...). >Meanwhile, following the announcement of the jury's verdict, the >judge, jury and assorted court personnel will be evacuated from the >building via helicopters landing on the roof of the courthouse. They >can't even walk out through the front door with their heads held >high. We had cutovers to LA's KNBC on our WNBC, and I didn't recall this detail. But I'll not comment further on that ... >Won't the rioters have a surprise waiting for them when they wake >up later today! A net-contact in L.A. tells me that the alert will remain over this weekend, as some elements may find excuse over the not-guilty verdicts on three of five charges (the aiding-and-abetting). Those acquittals seem to balance out the fact that Rodney King himself was not any kind of angel that night, speeding and fleeing et al. However ... Another consideration is any street celebrations over the two convictions on the excessive force charges (Koons for incompetance, and Powell for overreacting --- both guilty as heck even from the view of NYPD cops interviewed) that might get out of hand. )-; Also, some elements may take the acquittals as an excuse to challenge the cops (a dumb move, obviously). And, Koreans are still scared and certain people are really mad over how they have armed themselves in the last year. A Commander from Nassau, Long Island was questioned about how his people would have handled Rodney King, and he said ""We'd have let him roll around in the dirt 'til he got tired, then handcuff him"". gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 4613,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: When are two people married Lines: 128 LISTOWNER: I have sent this to Mr Anderson privately. Post it only if you think it of general interest. Here is a copy of something I wrote for another list. You may find it relevant. A listmember asks: > What makes common-law marriages wrong? A common-law marriage is not necessarily wrong in itself. There is nothing in the Bible (Old or New Testament) about getting married by a preacher, or by a priest (Jewish or Christian). And in fact Jewish priests have never had any connection with weddings. There is a common notion that the marriage is performed by the clergyman. In fact, the traditional Christian view (at least in the West) is that the bride and groom are the ministers of the marriage, and that the clergyman is there only as a witness. HOWEVER! The essential ingredient of a marriage is mutual commitment. Two persons are considered to be married if and only if they have bound themselves by mutual promises to live together as husband and wife, forsaking all others, till death do them part. The reason why those who have reason to be concerned about who is married to whom have always insisted on some kind of public ceremony is in order that society, and the couple themselves, may be clear about whether a commitment has been made. Suppose that we do away with the public ceremony, the standard vows, etc. Instead, we have a man and a woman settling down to live together. After a year or so, the man says to the woman: Hey, honey, it was great while it lasted, but I think it's time to move on. She says: What are you talking about? He says: I am leaving you and looking for someone prettier and younger. She says: But you can't. We are married! He says: What are you talking about? We never got married. She says: I remember distinctly what you said to me the night we first made love. You said: ""My love for you is as deep as the ocean, as eternal as the stars. As long as I live, I am yours, utterly and completely. When I lie on my deathbed, my last feeble breath will utter your name. My..."" He says: Oh that! That was just rhetoric. Just poetry. When a man is in a romantic mood, he is bound to say all kinds of silly things like that. You mustn't take them literally. And that is why you have an insistence on a formal ceremony that is a matter of public record. The Church insists on it, because it is her duty (among other things) to give moral advice, and you cannot give a man moral advice about his relations with a woman if you have no idea who is married to whom, if anybody, and vice versa. The State insists on it, since the state has a concern with property rights, with child care and support, and therefore needs to know who has made what commitments to whom. Prospective fathers-in-law insist on it, because they don't want their daughters seduced and abandoned. Prospective spouses insist on it, because they want to make sure they know whether what they are hearing is a real commitment, or just ""poetry."" And persons making vows themselves insist on making them formally and publicly, in order that they may be clear in their own minds about what it is that they are doing, and may know themselves that this is not just rhetoric. This is the real thing. Hence the insistence on a formal public explicit avowal of the marriage commitment. The Church goes further and insists that, when Christians marry, a clergyman shall be present at the wedding and record the vows on behalf of the Church, not because it is impossible to have a valid wedding without a clergyman, but in order to make sure that the couple understand what the Christian teaching about marriage is, and that they are in fact promising to be married in a Christian sense. The Church also prefers a standard marriage vow, and is wary of letting couples Write their own vows, for much the same reason that lawyers prefer standard terminology when they draw up a will or a contract. Certain language has been repeatedly used in wills, and one can be sure how the courts will interpret it. Try to say the same thing in your own words, and you may find that the probate judge's interpretation of them is not at all what you intended. Similarly, the Church prefers to avoid endless debates about whether ""You are my main squeeze"" and ""I am here for the long haul"" do in fact cover the same territory as ""forsaking all others"" and ""till death do us part."" This topic has come up on the list before. (Is there any topic that hasn't?) One listmember was asking, ""If a couple love each other and are living together, isn't that marriage in the eyes of God?"" Eventually someone asked, ""In that case, what is their status if they break up? Is that the moral equivalent of getting a divorce? Are they in a relationship that God forbids either of them to walk out on? "" The original questioner said: ""Good grief, I never thought of that!"" In fact, there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that someone who says, ""We don't need a piece of paper or a ceremony in front of a judge or a preacher in order to show that we love each other,"" is trying to have it both ways -- to have the advantages of marriage plus the option of changing his mind with a minimum of bother. At this point someone may say, ""None of this applies to me and my mate. We are quite clear on the fact that we have assumed a lifelong commitment, 'for better or worse, forsaking all others, till death us do part.' So in our case, no ceremony is needed."" To this my reply would be: The reason for requiring a driver's license is to keep dangerous drivers off the road. What is wrong in itself is not the existence of unlicensed drivers, but the existence of dangerous drivers. However, testing and licensing drivers is an obvious and reasonable means of pursuing the goal of reducing the number of dangerous drivers on the road. Therefore the State rightly makes and enforces such laws, and you the citizen have a positive moral obligation to refrain from driving without a license no matter how much of a hotshot behind the wheel you think you are. Back to the original question. We have a listmember who knows a couple who have been living together for around 20 years. He asks: At what point did they stop fornicating and start being married? I answer: at the point, if any, where they both definitely and explicitly accepted an obligation to be faithful to each other, for better or worse, as long as they both lived. If they have accepted such an obligation, what are their reasons for not being willing to declare it in front of, say, a justice of the peace? Yours, James Kiefer " 4614,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: Possible Canadian WC Team? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 39 This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound... GOALIES Bill Ranford, Edmonton Sean Burke, Hartford Peter Sidorkiewicz, Ottawa DEFENSEMEN Zarley Zalapski, Hartford Norm MacIver, Ottawa Garry Galley, Philadelphia Greg Hawgood, Philadelphia Dave Manson, Edmonton Mark Tinordi, Minnesota CENTERS Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers Geoff Sanderson, Hartford Brian Bradley, Tampa Bay Rod Brind'Amour, Philadelphia LEFT WINGS Adam Graves, N. Y. Rangers Chris Kontos, Tampa Bay Patrick Poulin, Hartford Shayne Corson, Edmonton RIGHT WINGS Pat Verbeek, Hartford Russ Courtnall, Minnesota Mike Gartner, N. Y. Rangers Kevin Dineen, Philadelphia =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 4615,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Bush's WI (was Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) says: >In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com>, blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes... >I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for >6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative. >> You're right, I bailed out in Diff Eq. Nevertheless, I would suggest to YOU that there is a difference between a ""proposed BILL, stalled in Congress"" and a ""executive order, crammed down OUR THROATS"". Do you disagree? >> I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you >> have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while >> you are still able. >> >Have you? Went to the Post Office on Friday, got my passport apps in. My savings have already been converted. " 4616,4,"From: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury) Subject: Q900 FP Errors? (was: Quadra 900/950 differences Reply-To: ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us Organization: Wolves Den UNIX Lines: 16 X-Md4-Signature: 682f2f434b0ed4717bc807af66e9b5a4 rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes: > > I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up >some floating point calculations. Does anyone have details on this? What sort of FP errors is the Q900 sensitive to? (My Q900 is having some strange problems with an FP intensive program, getting a lot of DS15 (Segment Loader) errors. ThinkC5.0.4 and System 7.0.1+) -- Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...duke!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US ggw%wolves@duke.cs.duke.edu [This site is *not* affiliated with Duke University. (Idiots!) ] " 4617,4,"From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson) Subject: FORSALE: RADIUS Precision Color 24x Video Card Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsrc13.col.hp.com I have a Radius Precision Color 24x video card for the Mac that fits in a NuBus slot. The card has 3 Mb of VRAM on it, which means that 24-bit color is possible on the card! The card supports just about any monitor scan rate you can think of (I used it at 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, but it can go higher). You can switch resolutions and depth on the fly with a software control panel. This is the ACCELERATED version of the card, which means all QuickDraw calls are not executed by the CPU but taken over by the video card, freeing up the mac processor for other tasks. The cheapest I could find this card for when I called around last night was $1738 at Mac's Place. I will sell it for $1250 + shipping. It is just over a year old and never been any problem. It comes with software and the original manuals. Hurry! Chris Magnuson chrism@col.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Company (719) 590-2963 " 4618,10,From: filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) Subject: Get Real. Caps have no chance Reply-To: filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.dccs.upenn.edu Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat the Pens are kidding themselves. The Pens may not loose one game in the playoffs. Geoff Filinuk Flyers Fan 4619,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Brad Hernlem vs. principle Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu In his neverending effort to make sure that we do not forget what a moron he is, Brad Hernlem has asked why Israel rarely abides by UN Security Council resolutions. Perhaps the list below might answer the question. Incident Security Council Response ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Hindu-Moslem clash in INdia, over 2,000 killed, 1990 NONE 2. Gassing to death of over 8,000 Kurds by NONE Iraqi Air Force, 1988-89 3. Saudi security forces slaughter NONE 400 pilgrims in Mecca, 1987 4. Killing by Algerian army of 500 demonstrators, 1988 NONE 5. Intrafada (Arabs killing Arabs) -- over 300 killed NONE 6. 30,000 civilians slaughtered by government NONE troops in Hama, Syria, 1982 7. Killing of 5,000 Palestinians by Jordanian troops, NONE thousands expelled, Sept., 1970 8. 87 Moslems killed in Egypt, 1981 NONE 9. 77 killed in Egyption bread riots, 1977 NONE 10. 30 border and rocket attacks against Israel by NONE the PLO in 1989 alone 11. Munich, 1972: 11 Israeli athletes slaughtered NONE 12. Ma'alot, 1974: children killed in PLO attack NONE 13. Israel Coastal bus attack: 34 dead, 82 wounded NONE 14. Syria kills 23,000 Palestinians, 1976 NONE 15. Lebanon: over 150,000 dead since 1975 NONE 16. Yemen: 13,000 killed in two weeks, 1986 NONE 17. Sudan: Tens of thousands of Black slaves, NONE Civil War toll, 1 million killed, 3 million refugees 18. Tienenman Square massacre 1989 NONE 19. Rumania, 3,000 killed, 1989 NONE 20. Pan Am 103 disaster carried out by the P.L.O NONE 21. Northern Ireland NONE 22. Cambodia NONE 23. Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan NONE 24. American riots at Attica, Watts, Newark, Kent State NONE 25. 1981: Israel destroys Iraqi reractor, Israel CONDEMNED 26. 1990: Israeli police protect Israeli worshipers CONDEMNED against Arab mob, 18 anti-Jewish rioters killed 27. Syrian soldiers slaughter Christian soldiers NONE after they surrender, 1990 It appears that Brad Hernlem and the United Nations Security Council have something in common. They both seem unfettered by the demands of acting on principle. " 4620,13,"From: dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Nntp-Posting-Host: hpqmocb.sqf.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Lines: 23 VINCI (filipe@vxcrna.cern.ch) wrote: : How about Kirlian imaging ? I believe the FAQ for sci.skeptics (sp?) : has a nice write-up on this. They would certainly be most supportive : on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120Kvolt : supply so that you can take a serious look at your ""aura""... :-) : Filipe Santos : CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics : Switzerland This has to be THE only, generally accepted, method of using common physics lab equipment to find certain answers to all the questions about afterlifes, heavens, hells, purgatory, gods etc. Krillean photography will probably be ignored as insignificant compared to these larger eternal verities. Publishing your results could be a bit of a problem, though. Cheers David " 4621,15,"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 95 In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > >> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame >> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. >[deleted] >> >> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we >> die. I don't meant to defend Eric Molas- I find it somewhat annoying when someone pops up on alt.atheism to tell us all about his (usually atheistic) beliefs, so I can certainly see how Christians might be annoyed- but I'd like to point out a few things. >I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people >choose a meaningless existence. ""no meaning from God"" is not the same as ""no meaning"". From my (atheistic) point of view, if you want meaning in your life, you get to go and get some or make some. No free gifts of meaning. (I never quite understood how any God can just ""give"" your life meaning, actually. If he says you exists to do or be X, that gives you a purpose if you care to accept it, but is that the same thing? But I digress...) > How terrible to go on living only >because one fears death more than life. This would truely be a miserably existance, which I doubt Eric endures. Life can be enjoyable, so you can live it because you like it, or purposefull, so you can live it to get something done. One should endeavour to make it so, if it is not. Otherwise it would be as you say. Terrible. > I feel so sorry for Eric and >yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as >further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. Probably true. Remeber he almost certainly sees that particular joy as an illusion, and does not want it. So maybe it isn't so bad? >As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, >and create. As an atheist, I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, and create. > I will live forever with God. Ah, now here we begin to diverge. I will not live forever with anyone. (I don't think you will either, but you are welcome to your opinion on the matter.) >Christ is not a kind of drug. I tend to agree with you. It's my opinion that (unlike drugs) religions are normal parts of human societies. I think they have outlived their usefullness, but they are evidently quite ordinary, normal things that haven't proved lethal to humanity yet. > Drugs are a replacement for Christ. >Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must >do something to ease the pain. I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know who first came up with the ""God-shaped hole"" business? > This is why the most effective >substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual >needs. You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim like this. >Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much >God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled >and abundant life. I don't know Eric, but I do not think it is wise to assume he has a less joy-filled and abundant life because he holds certain beliefs. --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. " 4622,2,From: carols@ohsu.edu (Carol Suelzle) Subject: re: Help with WinQVT Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr15.164424.465 Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.130.7 >This is the qvthost.rc file. >137.112.5.2 >137.112.199.50 > > > The host file requires the names that you'll be using in addition to the ip address sucb as 100.0.0.1 name.server.name 100.2.2.1 name.router.name Carols@ohsu.edu 4623,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: Program argument: geometry Organization: The Internet Lines: 31 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, rgasch@nl.oracle.com # #I have a question regarding the processing of program arguments #such as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option, #I'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there #is some predefined function that will do this for me? # If you are using the Intrinsics, it is parsed for you. If you are working at the Xlib level, you can parse it yourself or you can use the following bit of code. static XrmOptionDescRec options[] = { {""-geometry"", "".geometry"", XrmoptionSepArg, (XPointer)NULL} }; #define Number(x) (sizeof(x)/sizeof(x[0])) XrmParseCommand(db, options, Number(options), ""MyApplication"", &argc, argv); Then use XrmGetResource() to retrieve the value and parse it using XParseGeometry(). It is probably quicker to parse it yourself from argv, however, I much prefer using the X resource management routines to do this. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 4624,19,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: [lds] Gordon's Objections Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 38 In article psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: >Gordon Banks quoted and added... > >gb> In article >gb> psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: >gb> >gb> >The Mormon Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. That Jesus is God >gb> >the Father's first born spirit child. That Jesus was begotten on earth >gb> >through natural means, not by the Holy Ghost. That He sweat His blood >gb> >for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. That His blood cannot >gb> >cleanse from all sin. That He is now among many millions of other >gb> >gods. That Jesus is Jehovah and the Father is Elohim (in the OT >gb> >Jehovah and Elohim are the same). That He needed to be saved. >gb> It is true that Mormons believe that all spirits (including Jesus, Lucifer, Robert Weiss) are in the same family. It does not mean that Jesus was created, but rather that Lucifer and Robert Weiss were not. I agree that this is a ""heresy"". So what? The sweating of blood in Gethsemene is not a basic Mormon doctrine. Jesus did not perform the atonement in Getheseme alone, as some anti-Mormons are trying to teach. As far as the ""unpardonable sin"" whatever that is, it is Biblical, and not specifically Mormon. It is also called the sin against the Holy Ghost. Most Bible scholars (other than conservative ones) do not believe Jehovah and Elohim were always the same. I'm sure you've heard of the J and the E texts? I don't know what you mean by ""That He needed to be saved"". Jesus? Jehovah? Elohim? In Mormon doctrine, Jesus was sinless, and thus did not ""need to be saved"". -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4625,19,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Christian meta-ethics Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 176 In turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >In article mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes: > >> The issue, then, is this: >> >> Christian A says, ""Behavior such-and-such is sinful."" What is >> Christian B supposed to *do* with such a statement? >> >> One possibility *always* exists: A may be able to persuade B that the >> behavior in question *does* exhibit a failure in loving God or neighbor. > >Michael, modern liberal that he is, reads a fairly benign meaning >into this word. He then constructs his religious beliefs around >this understanding, reading *other* scripture in the context of >these commandments, with ""love"" benignly understood. I regard love as no more or less ""benign"" than any other Christian does. You are merely expressing ""approval"" of the consequences I find therein. Which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my (or any) religion. ""Love"" is a highly ambiguous word, of which Christians can write both the ""gentle"" words Paul uses of it in 1 Corinthians -- in a passage that even the ""conservatives"" will quote at you :-) -- and the words of T. S. Eliot in his Pentacost Hymn, ""Love is the unfamiliar Name that wove the intolerable shirt of flame ..."" This is in any case rather to the side of what I was attempting to raise in my note, as will become more evident below. >As a non-believer, I find Michael's Christianity kinder and gentler. blechhh. I think you are misreading me, rather seriously. Though, given my principle that one CANNOT force one's own notion of ""sin"" on another, and my unshakeable ""disestablishmentarianism"", Russel Turpin and others (believers and unbelievers alike) are under no threat of my legislating my own understanding of Christian love. >If I take him at >his word, he cannot condemn the Inquisitors, because they were >also following these commandments as *they* understood them. If You misread. I can do (and have repeatedly done) a complete bill of accusation against the Inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human beings (in the first place) and to respect for (let alone love of) ""God"" in near succession. Please go back to my quoted words above: The ""possibility that always exists"" is that I (or, to revert to proper time sequence, my predecessors over the last several centuries) could persuade ""Christian B"" of my case that the Inquisition *does* indeed constitute an egregious violation of the Law of Love. I must also note that the majority of Christians HAVE been so persuaded. By Christian argumentation, as well as by secular [both Christian and non-Christian] prohibitions. What Mr. Turpin alludes to is a trickier point: A. I demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved in the Inquisition. B. The Inquisitor responds that Mother Church must, however painful this *seems*, ""discipline"" her children for their own good -- in this case the salvation of their souls (or if the tortured heretic will not recant, than by bad example ""deterring"" others from the same loss-of-soul.) A. I point out that this ""justification"" of a failure in love depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable. B. Burns me at the stake. My rhetoric has failed, but the point I am making is sustained. What is going on here has a *lot* to do with ""cultural baggage."" In this case, the baggage includes a (nearly universal, and absolutely secular) belief that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most believable if taken under torture. The elimination of Inqisitorial practice (in those places where it *has* been eliminated, or at least greatly reduced) has very little, if anything, to do with the discussion of sin in the exchange between A and B. Mr. Turpin is pointing out that, if I am A versus the Grand Inquisitor's B, then my persuasion is not very likely to work. I know this; and in what- ever personal agony, I consign the issue to God and my ghostly defense attorney. So, ""one possibility"" fails in this case -- as it will fail in may others. At the other extreme, the ""persuasion"" will succeed when it properly SHOULD not, if it entails mistaken assumptions I share with the Inquisitor. And that is potentially an even more troubling case, in that many of the victims of Inquisition will have ""accepted"" that they were in fact sinful (in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty of charges brought against them.) The point is that the ""persuasion"" breaks down when the parties do NOT share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage -- and given the main thrust of the Inquisition, against ""heresy"", it is *bound* to break down in precisely the ""worst"" cases. The ""conservative"" (I don't think that is the right word, BTW) will take refuge in what I attribute to B above, that he is ""justified"" in causing harm because he *thinks* that works to a ""greater good."" But this is a violent and extravagant REFUSAL to follow the gospel, as if one's theories about ""sin"" entitled one to cast aside Jesus' words on dealing with sinners (cf. Matthew 5:39ff). I am a ""radical"" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. >(Or, for that matter, what does it mean to love one's fellow >man?) And what is the ""right thing""? And how does one go about >loving god? Well, the whole *point* of making these the ""base"" commandments is that they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. The Great Commandment is, more than anything else, a call to act *as if you were God and accepting ultimate responsibility* in your every action. A demand that I, like most, would rather *not* hear, but it keeps popping up nonetheless (along with the reassurance that it is more important that I be open to trying this, than succeeding at it). ""Conservatives"" may twist this ""act as if you were God"" to mean ""lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules."" They are so insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such idiocy IS how God acts. That, after all, is the standard accusation ""against God"" by the atheists here and elsewhere. That the ""conservatives"" have confused THEIR manipulative, hoop-jumping notions of coercing other people with the Nature of God is almost the entire content of standard American atheism -- and I quite agree with it on this point. >Ethical systems are not differentiated by the nice sounding goo >up front, much of which sounds pretty much the same, but by the >*specific* acts, procedures, and arguments that they recommend. And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged *different* ""ethical systems"" (or in some cases, none). As a result, it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular (or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very little, if anything, in the way of ""commandments"" -- so little that the ""Christians"" who desperately *want* commandments go ""mining"" for them with almost no support (and thus almost no obvious limitation :-)) for their efforts. The one, single, thing in the gospels which Jesus specifically ""gives"" as ""a commandment"" to us is ""love one another."" [I will be expanding on this point in a reply to Paul Hudson that I hope to get to in a day or so -- it is quite true that SOME Christians infer LOTS of commandments from the NT; I'll point out what has to be going on in these inferences, and why there is a huge amount of ""cultural baggage"" involved.] You are quite right that this is ""goo"" if one is looking for an ethical system. But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems -- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. >I am glad that a few Christians, >such as Michael, find a benign meaning for the goo, and then >interpret the usually ugly specifics in a more constructive >fashion. On the other hand, I do think that this tells us more >about Michael and Christians like him that it tells us about >Christianity. I think you are begging the question. Why don't I and the (myriads of) other Christians like me tell you something about Christianity? [Nor is this very new in Christianity -- you might want to look up the origins and fundamental doctrines of the Quakers, from the 17th century onwards, and they are not at all the first to understand the gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case.] -- Michael L. Siemon I say ""You are gods, sons of the mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless - or - you shall die like men, and fall mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince."" Psalm 82:6-7 " 4626,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analysis :-) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 16 In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) wrote: > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there. Dennis, I'm astounded. I didn't know you were interested to even study such filth as alt.sex.stories provide... Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 4627,3,"From: lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu Subject: int15h for joysticks is slow.... Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities Lines: 14 Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.circa.ufl.edu I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead(). The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or clockspeed specific? Thanks, Brianzex " 4628,7,"From: tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham) Subject: Re: Advice on BMWs and winter driving Reply-To: tbigham@shearson.com Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Lines: 26 This past winter I drove from NYC to Killington,VT 6 or 7 times in my 1990 325i Convertible (talk about poor reputation in the snow!!) with an EXCELLENT set of snow tires. I put 4 Noika NR10s on in Dec. and have been sure footed in some pretty severe weather conditions ever since. I've plowed through 4 - 5 inch snow covered roads effortlessly, while other cars have been paralyzed (front wheel drive included). Concentrate more on ""where the rubber meets the road"" rather than driveability of cars in snowy conditions. Drive carefully, buy good snow tires, and most cars will perform adequately in less than ideal conditions. An aside: I can't praise Noika NR10 snows enough. Absolutely the BEST snow tires I have ever driven on. If you live in the snow belt, do yourself a favor and get a set of these next winter. Tim --- Timothy J. Bigham | All opinions expressed above are my own Lehman Brothers, Inc. | and should not be construed as those of AMEX Tower, World Financial Center | my employer. New York, N.Y. | " 4629,17,"From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 With regards to my condemnation of Marc's ridiculous attacks on the American Department of Justice, and further attacks on Jews, to anyone who took offense to my calling Marc stupid, I apologize for pointing out the obvious. It was a waste of the Net's time. I hope, though, that most American citizens have the basic knowlege of the structure of American government to understand the relationship between the Justice Department as a part of the Executive Branch, and the Courts, which are of the Judicial Branch. Marc's ignorance of basic civic knowlege underscores his inability to comprehend and interpret foreign affairs. Peace, Pete " 4630,4,"From: ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qs4fjINN74f Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes: > >Hi there, > >Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for >C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 >has the message ""fpu: optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this >newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 >configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their >price list? >I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting >confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. >Why say ""optional"" if it's built in? >Please, anybody help me understand this game. > >Regards, > >Thian. > If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My understanding is that the ""optional fpu"" refers to your option of purchasing the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU. Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system (a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor. Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU - the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo). Hope that helps. Kevin Lohman University Book Store, University of Washington Buyer for the UW Apple Computers for Education Program " 4631,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 39 Evelyn Wells, on the 12 Apr 1993 11:43 CST wibbled: : Once again, this morning I pulled up to the designated motorcycle : parking area, only to find a cage pulled up behind the bikes. : If people don't double-park cars, why do they do it to motorcycles? : Never mind that rhetorical question, I know *why* they do it. : What I want to know is, what can I do about it? Carry pieces of : paper that say ""Don't park your car in the motorcycle area!!"" ? : Call the cops? Wait until they emerge from the building and berate : them until they beg forgiveness? : Does anyone else have this problem, and what do you do about it? : Evie I don't know if you have a local branch where you are, but the preferred method over here is to 'phone the IRA and tell them about the car and that it belongs to an MP who is on a Northern Ireland Government Committee. An hour or so later, and the car is no longer a problem. It's best not to park too close to it, though. -- Nick (the Vengeful Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Plastic M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 4632,3,"From: ihno@generics.ka.sub.org (Ihno Krumreich) Subject: CD-ROM drives Summary: Hit list of the most sold CD-ROM drives without SCSI-Interface Keywords: CD-ROM drives Organization: Synerix GmbH, Karlsruhe Lines: 23 Has someone a list of CD-ROM's with no SCSI-Interface and if known how much they are present in the market. Please mail direcktly as I am not reguarly reading the group. I'll post a summary if wanted. Thanks Ihno ============================================================================== Ihno Krumreich | Phone (49) 721 955 253 0 U U N N III X X Synerix Gmbh | email: ihno@generics.ka.sub.org U U NN N I X X Bach Strasse 24 | FAX (49) 721 59 02 11 U U N N N I X D-W7500 Karlsruhe 21 | U U N NN I X X UUU N N III X X -- ============================================================================== Ihno Krumreich | Phone (49) 721 955 253 0 U U N N III X X Synerix Gmbh | email: ihno@generics.ka.sub.org U U NN N I X X " 4633,6,"From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: Wanted: 286 motherboard, VGA card Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 9 I am looking for a 286 motherboard, preferable 12 or 16, 640k or 1 meg RAM. I am also looking for a VGA card. Am willing to trade 1200 external, 5.25"" LD Drive, 8088 motherboard, monochrome monitor, Game Boy, in some combination for the above. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org " 4634,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>How many contridictions do you want to see? >>Good question. If I claim something is a general trend, then to disprove this, >>I guess you'd have to show that it was not a general trend. >No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it. >Think ""Cold Fusion"". Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you (or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding mating practices, etc. I don't think that these few cases are enough to disprove the general trend of natural morality. And, again, the mating practices need to be reexamined... >>Try to find ""immoral"" non-mating-related activities. >So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your ""natural morality""? No, but mating practices are a special case. I'll have to think about it some more. >>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the >>goal of species propogation in mind. But, I am not equating the two >>as you so think. That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the >>natural one. >Are you or are you not the man who wrote: >""A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals > follow"". Indeed. But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems are not the natural one. So, the terms can not be equated. The natural system is a subset of the objective ones. >Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including >birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that ""most animals"" have >the capacity of being immoral? I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral. It isn't harmful, although it isn't helpful either (to the mating process). And, when you say that homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean ""bisexuality?"" >>>>Because we can't determine to what end we should be ""moral."" >Are you claiming to be a group? ""We"" usually implies more than one entity. This is standard jargon. Read any textbook. The ""we"" forms are used throughout. >>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent. That is why they must >>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them >>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural >>goal--but they are somewhat removed). >Postulate: To assume; posit. That's right. The goals themselves aren't inherent. >I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the >Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are >the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality. You could, but such would contradict observations. >I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length >of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and >the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the >third side. But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be true. I don't think your postulate would be valid. >Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to. In order to assume >something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates >work. Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work. You think they don't? Or are they not good goals? keith " 4635,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Can Radio Freq. Be Used To Measure Distance? Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 25 In article rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: >I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the >distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver? Yes, you could. >Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength >and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft), >and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so. Well, letsee (whipping out HP-48SX, soon to be GX): 6 inches/3*10^8 m/s=.5 nanoseconds resolution. Hmm. That'll be rather difficult! The more standard (read: better) method is to use ultrasound, generally somewhere around 40kHz. Sound travels a heck of a lot slower than light (radio waves), and is therefore much easier to deal with. >What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter? It might be easiest to visit a hardware store and look at the numerous ""sonic estimator"" type devices that do what you want here. Many are pretty cheap too -- <$30. (In fact, for awhile the Stanley Estimator was selling for something like $8. That's the one I bought! :-) ) ---Joel Kolstad " 4636,16,"From: clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller) Subject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth... Lines: 21 # So the Blue PRess suggests that we bankrupt HCI by requesting information # and the concern by list members is that HCI will claim everyone that calls # as a new member. I think they will. I also think they will claim a new # MANDATE to ban all firearms from the solar system wheter we call and ask for # information or not! # # On the other hand, with due respect to the Editor of the Blue PRess, just # becaue Mike makes damned good presses, dies, powder scales, and got tired of # Lee's atacks DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY DILLON FAN FOLLOWS WHAT MIKE CALLS FOR # LIKE HE WAS KARESH AND WE WERE TRANSDILLIDIANS! # # Our local State Assemblyman has called for a complete ban on all non-bolt # action military rifles and all assault weapons, a 7 day wait for purchase # permits { it currently takes 10 to 14 working days here in NC } and one # permit/year. The flood of calls he got was 7 for and 3 against. Guess who # called supporting his move? Guess what ILA is doing? Right? # # CHL # " 4637,7,"From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu In article <1993Apr15.192250.18815@cbnewse.cb.att.com> turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl) writes: >From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): >> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a schoolteacher from Minnesota.) -- Jason Hanson | 915 W. Wisconsin Ave #1010 | (414) 288-2179 Marquette University | Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373 | Ham Radio: N9LEA/AE -- jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu ==+== n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na -- " 4638,13,"From: sdr@llnl.gov (Dakota) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: eet1477-10780-t1477r1104.llnl.gov In article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: > My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no > medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. > > My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate > their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, > etc...) > > Thank you, > > Dave Carvell > pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu First, let me offer you my condolences. I've had kidney stones 4 times and I know the pain she is going through. First, it is best that she see a doctor. However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the only thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a urinary tract infection. The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones are extremely painful. My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it out. However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun. Anyway, if she absolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps an over the counter sleeping pill. But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor. Kidney stones are not something to fool around with. She should be x-rayed to make sure there is not a serious problem. Steve " 4639,6,"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") Subject: Re: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 5 Sell it for $10, then. I can't really offer more than $8 at this point. Thanks, Jon " 4640,9,From: cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq) Subject: Ryam out for 2-5 weeks!! Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 4 Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and is expected to miss 2-5 weeks. -- 4641,0,"From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers Summary: Hi. Please read this before you post. Keywords: FAQ, atheism Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:53 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930413094109@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 145 Archive-name: atheism/overview Alt-atheism-archive-name: overview Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.2 Overview Welcome to alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. This is the first in a series of regular postings aimed at new readers of the newsgroups. Many groups of a 'controversial' nature have noticed that new readers often come up with the same questions, mis-statements or misconceptions and post them to the net. In addition, people often request information which has been posted time and time again. In order to try and cut down on this, the alt.atheism groups have a series of five regular postings under the following titles: 1. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers 2. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism 3. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 4. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument 5. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources This is article number 1. Please read numbers 2 and 3 before posting. The others are entirely optional. If you are new to Usenet, you may also find it helpful to read the newsgroup news.announce.newusers. The articles titled ""A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community"", ""Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Usenet"" and ""Hints on writing style for Usenet"" are particularly relevant. Questions concerning how news works are best asked in news.newusers.questions. If you are unable to find any of the articles listed above, see the ""Finding Stuff"" section below. Credits These files could not have been written without the assistance of the many readers of alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. In particular, I'd like to thank the following people: kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge) perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) NETOPRWA@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken) chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey) jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold) torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf) roe2@quads.uchicago.edu (Greg Roelofs) arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson) dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) ajr@bigbird.hri.com (Andy Rosen) stoesser@ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie (Bryan O'Sullivan) lippard@ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) s1b3832@rigel.tamu.edu (S. Baum) ydobyns@phoenix.princeton.edu (York H. Dobyns) schroede@sdsc.edu (Wayne Schroeder) baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin) D_NIBBY@unhh.unh.edu (Dana Nibby) dempsey@Kodak.COM (Richard C. Dempsey) jmunch@hertz,elee.calpoly.edu (John David Munch) pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) rz@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Richard Zach) tycchow@math.mit.edu (Tim Chow) simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) ...and countless others I've forgotten. These articles are free. Truly free. You may copy them and distribute them to anyone you wish. However, please send any changes or corrections to the author, and please do not re-post copies of the articles to alt.atheism; it does nobody any good to have multiple versions of the same document floating around the network. Finding Stuff All of the FAQ files *should* be somewhere on your news system. Here are some suggestions on what to do if you can't find them: 1. Check the newsgroup alt.atheism. Look for subject lines starting with ""Alt.Atheism FAQ:"". 2. Check the newsgroup news.answers for the same subject lines. If you don't find anything in steps 1 or 2, your news system isn't set up correctly, and you may wish to tell your system administrator about the problem. 3. If you have anonymous FTP access, connect to rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. Go to the directory /pub/usenet/alt.atheism, and you'll find the latest versions of the FAQ files there. FTP is a a way of copying files between networked computers. If you need help in using or getting started with FTP, send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq in the body. 4. There are other sites which also carry news.answers postings. The article ""Introduction to the news.answers newsgroup"" carries a list of these sites; the article is posted regularly to news.answers. 5. If you don't have FTP, send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu consisting of the following lines: send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources send usenet/alt.atheism/faq send usenet/alt.atheism/introduction send usenet/alt.atheism/logic send usenet/alt.atheism/resources 5. (Penultimate resort) Send mail to mail-server@mantis.co.uk consisting of the following lines: send atheism/faq/faq.txt send atheism/faq/logic.txt send atheism/faq/intro.txt send atheism/faq/resource.txt and our poor overworked modems will try and send you a copy of the files. There's other stuff, too; interesting commands to try are ""help"" and ""send atheism/index"". 6. (Last resort) Mail mathew@mantis.co.uk, or post an article to the newsgroup asking how you can get the FAQ files. You should only do this if you've tried the above methods and they've failed; it's not nice to clutter the newsgroup or people's mailboxes with requests for files. it's better than posting without reading the FAQ, though! For instance, people whose email addresses get mangled in transit and who don't have FTP will probably need assistance obtaining the FAQ files. mathew ÿ " 4642,4,"From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel) Subject: Re: Rumours about New Duos !!!!! Article-I.D.: manta.kitchel.734892133 Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.comm Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: manta.dpsi.com jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King) writes: >Since we are on the subject of chip power consumption, >I heard (from a very reliable source) that the DEC Alpha chip uses >1/2 the power that Intel's Pentium chip does, and it still whips >the Pentium's butt. Makes you wonder why Intel ever made >a chip to begin with! >Wouldn't you like a PowerBook Alpha running about 300 MIPS? Cool idea.. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!! Sorry -- wrong. It would be an extremely hot idea...at least with the current Alphas. The available Alphas run up to 200 MHz. But they produce quite a bit of heat. In fact so much that they need special mounting with extra large heat sinks. Also Apple looks pretty commited to the PowerPC route instead of a deal with DEC. --Sid -- Sidney W. Kitchel kitchel@cs.indiana.edu, kitchel@dpsi.com Data Parallel Systems, Inc. ============|| DPSI ||=============== 4617 E. Morningside Drive (812) 334-8100 Bloomington, Indiana, 47408 USA FAX: (812) 334-8121 " 4643,11,"From: lewis@eecg.toronto.edu (david lewis) Subject: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 31 In article <16BB51156.C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) writes: > >strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >> [..stuff deleted] >existence of the key-registry system seems to make possible all kinds of >possible attacks at a small fraction of the expense of trying to build (say) >a DES keysearch machine. > > As originally described, it sounded like any police / court combination >could acquire the key for a given chip. I hope that's not the case, since >it would imply a glaring hole. (How much does it cost to find *one* crooked >jodge and *one* crooked cop? Especially for a foreign intelligence agency >or organized crime boss?) However, even if more intelligent schemes are used >to allow access to the unencrypted phone conversations, there will be weak- >nesses. They may be very expensive, and very difficult. But who would >trust his/her confidential information to an encryption scheme that, for >(say) $100,000 could by cracked one time in a hundred? (DES, for all the >complaints about a 56-bit key, would probably cost several million dollars >to build a keysearch machine for.) > I can buy a DES keysearch machine off the shelf now for approx $500K, but it is not sold by that name. Go buy a circuit emulation machine (eg. Quickturn) containing a bunch of FPGAs, (say 500 to 1000 3090's), and program each to be a DES search engine. Lets say 500 chips, running at 10Mhz = 5G tests/sec. Time is 14e6 sec max = 23 weeks, 12 weeks average. Can't wait that long? Buy a bigger machine. David Lewis " 4644,18,"From: dave@alex.uchicago.edu (Dave Griffith) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr14.231117.21872@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >In article , phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes... >>Along with normalized relations with the PRC. > >""Normalizing relations"" with Cambodia? You must be joking. We sponsored >the OVERTHROW of the Cambodian government. After repeated failed attempts >of course. PRC = People's Republic of China != Cambodia. Go play. -- Dave Griffith, Information Resources, University of Chicago, Department of Surgery dave@alex.bsd.uchicago.edu Brain damage was what we were after. The chromosome damage was just gravy. " 4645,9,"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?) Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 5 It was my impression watching the Mets & Rockies that umpires were calling strikes above the belt, too, but not as far up as the letters. It would be nice if this were the case. Jay " 4646,16,"From: William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com Subject: RE: Blast them next time Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 29 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hudm4-enet.mfg.stratus.com > #DELETED BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TWISTED"" >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. ##flame thrower on## Well I don't want my tax dollars going to that kind of philosophy. maybe if the good folks you are talking about are people like you than I might be inclined to accept it. What does the batf do anyway? Why don't we have a bureau for militant, paranoid, freedom killers like yourself. People like you are more dangerous than alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. Maybe we should just have nuked the whole city, I mean, what's a 100,000 good souls anyway? Get real, you sound like a racist. I guess life isn't so precious to you, do you realize that there were 24 children KILLED!!! They will never get to fall in love, they won't see another sunrise, no prom, no first date, no football, baseball no NOTHING. Why doesn't some people think first before they let everyone know how narrow they are. ""Flame thrower off"" " 4647,1,"From: h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk (Abel) Subject: Developable Surface Nntp-Posting-Host: hkuxa.hku.hk Organization: The University of Hong Kong X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 9 Hi netters, I am currently doing some investigations on ""Developable Surface"". Can anyone familiar with this topic give me some information or sources which can allow me to find some infomation of developable surface? Thanks for your help! Abel h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk " 4648,3,"From: TAL@brownvm.brown.edu () Subject: EPS Technologies; experience anyone? Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu Summary: 486dx 33mhz, recommendations, EPS X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta After a rough start purchasing a 486 system (see earlier post), I'm trying again. I'm looking at the following system offered by EPS Technologies: - 486dx 33mhz w/ 256K static RAM cache,AMI Bios - 3 32-bit VESA local bus slots, 3 16-bit slots, 1 8-bit slot - Teac 1.2 & 1.44 mb floppy drives - Maxtor 170 MB hard drive (15 ms) IDE w/64K cache buffer - 32-bit vesa local bus video card w/ 1mb RAM 1024 X 768 NI (I *think* it's an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 card) - 14"" NI Multisync monitor 1024 X 768 - 101 Keyboard - 200 Watt power supply - Windows 3.1, Mouse, DOS 6.0 - *3* years limited warranty - 1 year on-site service I'm probably going to add the $125 for a 15"" flat-screen digital monitor, and will also want to go for at least 8 mb RAM ($159 extra). Has anyone bought from EPS Technologies, particularly a system like the one I'm considering. I'm especially interested in their warrantee and service. Can anyone recommend other companies who offer similar packages, with support, and comparable prices (I see FastMicro just bit it...). Thanks in advance, -Toby Loftus TAL@BROWNVM TAL@brownvm.brown.edu Brown University " 4649,19,"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 45 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... >(stephen) wrote: >> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) quotes ML... >> >> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied >> >> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We >> >> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable >> >> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our >> >> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation >> >> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. >> > >> >Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. >> >> Which Jews KS? > >Most religious Jews with the exception of the Messianic ones and >atheists/agnostics, Malcolm. KS, I see you're wanting Malcolm's response. Allow me one last inter- jection then please: Distinguishing among the religious Jews, you've excepted the Messianic for obvious reasons. Specifically, are you saying it's these religious Jews, who trace their lineage back to Abraham by blood and orthodoxy, rather than by faith, who won't agree? Orthodox Jews? As to the a/a (if I understand your direction), the issue remains unproven I suspect, considering how atheists and agnostics so often look to reason. Atheist, it is reasonable to conclude will not agree. For agnostics, a poll seems in order. Who knows? Myself, I'm not so sure the atheists can be counted out. For the orthodox, I wonder how many would follow Moses, or Abraham, or David in accepting God's Word? Is the particular covenant to which one adheres, more important than God promisimg? I reckon for many it depends on the ongoing dialogue. Under these considerations, you might understand why I think it's premature to assert who will and won't agree. | -- J -- | | stephen " 4650,4,"From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper) Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU Organization: Amos Tuck School Lines: 16 Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me. In <5APR199312491648@utkvx.utk.edu> nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: >Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? Mine >lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what I can tell, >it looks like Apple welded it shut. By rotating the plate around the mouse ball counter-clockwise you can open the mouse and clean it. It isn't as obvious as the Desktop Bus Mouse I but it opens quite easily once you see what has to be done. -Geoff -- geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business If you don't vote... you don't count. " 4651,10,"From: jbarrett@aludra.usc.edu (Jonathan Barrett) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: aludra.1pqgq3INN2vn Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu I can only comment on the Kings, but the most obvious candidate for pleasant surprise is Alex Zhitnik. He came highly touted as a defensive defenseman, but he's clearly much more than that. Great skater and hard shot (though wish he were more accurate). In fact, he pretty much allowed the Kings to trade away that huge defensive liability Paul Coffey. Kelly Hrudey is only the biggest disappointment if you thought he was any good to begin with. But, at best, he's only a mediocre goaltender. A better choice would be Tomas Sandstrom, though not through any fault of his own, but because some thugs in Toronto decided to threaten his career in order to avoid conceding a goal. Other than that, the award goes to Robert Lang, an uninspiring Czech. Robitaille could easily be MVP, but I'd prefer to give it to Rob Blake who is quietly becoming one of the league's premier defensemen, and if the Kings manage to hold onto him and the rest of our young defense, it could one day mean that we'll let in fewer goals than Hartford. Honorable mentions to Majestic Marty and Warren Rychel. Jon " 4652,6,"From: janson@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Todd Janson) Subject: FORSALE: Norman Rockwell Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Okay, okay, Norman himself isn't actually for sale. BUT: I have two Saturday Even Post's, both of which have Norman Rockwell illustrations on the front cover. October 29, 1960 -- with candidate Kennedy on campaign -- has, obviously, a Norman Rockwell of Kennedy on the cover November 5, 1960 -- with candidate Nixon on campaign -- And here we have Nixon. He's not a crook... These are both in very good condition. Let me know if you're interested, and to what tune. ($$) -- *=-------------------------------------------------------------=* * // * * // Todd Janson. No group. Moscow, Idaho * * \\/ * *=-------------------------------------------------------------=* " 4653,6,"From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) Subject: Adlib sound board for sale! Lines: 17 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 17 I have an Adlib sound board for sale. It includes the original disks, and I'll throw in a Windows 3.1 .WAV sound file driver. For those of you that are using your PC Speaker for games, this will be a much welcomed board for your PC! $70.00 includes shipping to your home or office. Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet " 4654,2,"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >Why is it that I find the Mac desktop incredibly annoying >whenever I use it? Because you are uptight? Many computer-literate people see advantages in each system. You act like a Mac ate your cat. Lighten up! " 4655,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: The lessons of the NAZIs Re: David Irving - Scholastic fraud Lines: 112 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In responding to the post below I have considered issues far outside the scope of revisionism and principally have considered the political implications of a racist ideology and its inevitable outcome. Thus it is tangentially relevant to soc.history and alt.revisionism but I have directed followups to t.p.m since it is principally consideration of the political lessons to be drawn from the history of the NAZI party that I deal with. In article <1993Apr14.121823.21851@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes: |>As Dawidowicz points out, in ""The Holocaust and the Historians,"" (Harvard |>University Press, 34-38): |> |>""...the nadir in Hitlerology is reached by David Irving's ""Hitler's |>War.""<34> An amateur historian, whose reputation as a German apologist and |>as a writer without regard for accuracy or truth won him a measure of |>notoriety, <35> Irving produced a 926-page work intended to show that Hitler |>was kind to his animals and to his secretaries, that he was ""probably the |>weakest _leader_ Germany has known in this century,"" and that he did not |>murder the Jews or even wish to do so, but that the murder was committed |>behind his back, without his knowledge or consent."" Let us assume for the sake of argument that this was indeed the case? Does this mean that Hilter would have been in any way less guilty of mass murder because he aquiesced rather than participated as an active and ardent supporter? One of the important things to realise about the NAZIs is that the system was far more evil than any single member. Once created the NAZI party itself was a murder machine that would inevitably commit genocide, there was noone within it strong enough to prevent it. Remember that Hitler did not originaly lead the NAZI party nor was he particularly powerful within it until his oratory allowed the party to come to power. Had Hitler reneged upon the emotiaonal expectations which he had created within the ranks of his supporters he would have been replaced as he had himself replaced the old guard who he beleived were unable to grasp the intellectual implications of their rhetoric. This is why all parties that espouse NAZI style race supremacy ideologies must be considered as dangerous and as evil as the NAZIs. The idea that one ""race"" of people is inherently superior to another and that the greatest goal of humanity is to achieve racial perfection has only one logical outcome, the gas chambers of Auschwitz. The NAZI party is not simply the tale of a supremely evil single man who lead an entire country astray, beyond the evil of individuals there was the evil of the system itself which was self generating and self perpetuating. Hitler was an extreemly evil person who built his party arround an ego cult centered on the demonstration of his own power, this does not however mean that he was as entirely free from political constraints as he and his propagandists worked so hard to assert. The myth that racism can produce a strong government that can cure a nations ills must be emphatically rejected. In the same way we must accept a distinction between a govenrment that demonstrates its strength and one that is able to govern decisively in the manner it beleives is best. I would accept only the latter as a ""strong"" government since most displays of strength are made necessary by an essential weakness. It is important to understand that the NAZIs were not stupid nor were they amoral in the sense that they lacked moral scruples. They acted in the same manner as the Spanish Inquisition - murder and torture in the cause of morality. The fault of the NAZIs lies in their axioms, not in their logic nor in their implementation of those axioms. Thus all such parties such as the National Front or David Dukes Klu Klux Klan front who assert the truth of those axioms must be considered for what they are, advocates of a system that would commit genocide. The conclusion that Hitler was not only responsible but imensely evil is inescapable from the historical record. It is important though to not let the conclusion be reached that the NAZIs espoused a set of ideas that were basically correct but had an unfortunate proponent. The evils of the concept of race supremacy are primary. Although this most emphaticaly does not excuse individual culpability this is nevertheless secondary. No matter what the promises made by a racist, supremacist party upon election those promises will be broken as soon as circumstances permit. If this requires the replacement of the leaders that originally made the pledges, that will occur. Hatred is a supreme justifier. It also creates a dynamic of its own when those in government allow it reign. For many in government politics is a method of providing a justification for their own existence through a demonstration of their importance. A rhetoric of hatred inevitably develops the question of action since the continued existence of an object of hatred is inevitably a reminder of the essential impotence of the politician. Thus we have the US raid on Tripoli which has little purpose beyond a demonstration of power. It is important to realise that there is no quantum jump between the politics of the right and those of the extreeme right but a progression from the reinforcement of popular predjudice to action being taken on the basis of that predjudice. In the same way the extreeme left trace their route to despotism through their assertion of the subjugation of the individual to ideology. It is important though that in attempting to understand the dynamics of political systems that this is not used to excuse the participants. The leaders of a nation take on a supreme moral burden but not only do so voluntarily are required to stive to do so. Thus to take on such a task without a fundamental examination of the logical progression of ones set of axioms to its conclusion in itself is a moral crime. Furthermore in taking on such a duty one is obliged to put the interest of the whole before personal concerns, even of personal security. Although it was inevitable that a party such as the NAZIs, based upon hatred and an idolisation of the symbols of power should have saught to commit genocide it was not inevitable that they should succeeded. Each member of the system had an ability to create a change within it that had a possibility of changing the dynamic. Realising that the individual cannot hope to control a system does not mean accepting that the individual cannot affect the system. Phill Hallam-Baker Phill Hallam-Baker " 4656,12,"From: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. C.D. Smith) Subject: Re: Homebuilt PAL (EPLD) programer? Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: goyt.csc.liv.ac.uk In sci.electronics timd@fenian.dell.com writes: >Anyone know a reasonable circuit for programming PALs? I am interested >in programming a wide range of EPLDs but would be happy with something >that could handle a 22V10 or thereabouts. I too would be interested in ANY information on the subject of programing PALS etc..... Better to know what your on about before you start something, I always say. Often saves you a packet as well !! Thanks in advance.. Chris ;-) +====================================================================+ |Name : Mr Chris Smith | Twang on that 'ole guitar ! | |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv | | |Uni : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware | |Dgree: Computer Science | | +====================================================================+ ""What ever the Sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"" -- D.H. Lawrence. * All views expressed are my own, and reflect that of private thought. * " 4657,6,"From: mageors@sdf.lonestar.org (Bill Mageors) Subject: Genie Garage door remote forsale Organization: sdf public access Unix - Dallas, TX. Lines: 11 I have a genie garage door transmitter forsale, this unit is a three button station. will operate three different door or gate openers. Has never been used, normaly goes for $45.00 Im ask $20.00 + shipping. If interested please email me. mageors@sdf.lonestar.org " 4658,17,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 60 In mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: >> Even the most extemist, one sided (jewish/israeli) postings (with which I >> certainly disagree), did not openly back plain murder. You do. >> >> The 'Lebanese resistance' you are talking about is a bunch of lebanese >> farmers who detonate bombs after work, or is an organized entity of not- >> only-lebanese well trained mercenaries ? I do not know, just curious. >> >> I guess you also back the killings of hundreds of marines in Beirut, right? >> >> What kind of 'resistance' movement killed jewish attlets in Munich 1972 ? >> >> You liked it, didn't you ? >> >> >> You posted some other garbage before, so at least you seem to be consistent. >> >> Dorin >Dorin, >Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The >distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people >whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these >soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. And >resistance is different from terrorism. Certainly the athletes in Munich >were victims of terrorists (though some might call them freedom fighters). And some of us call them murderous bastards, but what's in a name. >Their deaths cannot be compared to those of soldiers who are killed by >resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the >Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the >hostile occupiers in WWII. Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the Just a damn minute! What history books did you read? I seem to recall that there were a few British, Canadian, American, and Commonwealth soldiers in France about that time. Perhaps you believe they were taking a vacation trip? >Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the >only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving >out the US) Sure, the Lebanese want to get all foreigners out of the country so they can go back to killing each other off. >-marc REB >-- >______________________________________________________________________________ >Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with >both eyes. >My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. >______________________________________________________________________________ " 4659,11,"From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) Subject: **Sorry folks** (read this) Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr21.001707.9999@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: [...] > >(the date I have for this is 1-26-93) > >note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess >this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. > >--- cut here --- > > WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh >start, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation >of Police Commisioners convention in Washington. > In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural, >Clinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make >everything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical [...] I just found out from my source that this article was a joke. Heh heh.. It seemed pretty damn convincing to me from the start -- I just didn't notice the smiley at the end of the article, and there were a few other hints which I should of caught. Anyway -- I guess this 'joke' did turn out to resemble Clinton's true feelings at least to some extent. Sorry about that... -marc andersom@spot.colorado.edu " 4660,4,"From: newton@cs.utexas.edu (Peter Newton) Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: mohawk.cs.utexas.edu > Can some people with cache cards PLEASE post speedometer numbers they > get with the cards. I have only one report, which seems to indicate > that a 32K cache card gives you only about a 1% speedup!! Ok. I have a record that shows a IIsi with and without a 64KB cache. It's small enough that I will attach it. I have also measured some real programs with and without the 64 KB cache. The speedup varies a lot from app to app, ranging from 0% to 40%. I think an average of 20%-25% is about right. The subjective difference is not great, but is sometimes noticable. A simple cache card certainly does not transform a IIsi into something enormously better. I do not have an FPU. The conventional wisdom says that cache cards from all of the makers offer about the same speedup and that there is not much difference between 32K and 64K caches. I bought mine from Third Wave for well under $150. I have had absolutely no problems at all with it. If you get *complete* speedometer runs for a 32K cache, I'd like to see them. Let's check the conventional wisdom! The so called ""Performance Rating"" numbers by themselves are of no interest. Cheers. 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Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 63 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the Typical statement from an irrational and brainwashed person. The bible was written by some male chavnist thousands of years ago (as were all of the ""holy"" books). Follow the parts that you think are suitable for modern life. Ignore the others. For heaven's (!) sake don't take it literally. >same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist? The Buddha's commandments are 500 yrs older than Christ's and in my opinion tougher to follow. Moreover the Buddha says that we are intrinsically good (as against Christ's ""we are all sinners""). Only we allow ourselves to be distracted. By meditating we can awaken ourselves (etc etc). Also there is no concept of God in Buddhism. (In my opinion you can be an Atheist and a Buddhist). But to ""awaken"" yourself is no easy task. Can you stay away from eating meat? Can you sit still and think of nothing (meditate) for sometime everyday? Buddhists do (or are supposed to). Can you pray five times a day? Can you fast for a month every year (Ramzan). Are you willing to give 1/6 th of your income as tithe? Muslims do. In fact I think Jesus was an ordinary man (just as Buddha and Mohamed) probably with a philosopy ahead of the times (where he lived). Considering the fact that Christianity is a young religion (compared to Hindiusm, Judaism, Zorasterism, Buddihsm) it is also very probable that the Bible is merely a collection of borrowed ideas. (There was a good deal of trade between the eastern lands and the middle east at the time of Christ). And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out (""woman was created after man, to be his helper"" etc). aras >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes >time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an 1-800 number to turn in your pledges. God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes. >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >ourselves. Parting Question: Would you have become a Christian if you had not been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim you are brain washed. " 4662,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 19 Distribution: world,public NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <115847@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >Well, in 1984 one was not allowed to leave the domain of authority. One >_is_ free to leave Islam. If one regards Islamic law as a curse one >should consider leaving Islam. The only way out seems to be death. --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" " 4663,9,"From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization Distribution: na Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr14.081214.3921@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >>>>>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as >>>>>Alomar last year. >>> >>>Guess which line is which: >>> BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB >>>X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 >>>Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 >> >>>The walks should give it away. OBP's, in general, somewhat more valuable than >>>slugging, and Alomar's edge in OBP was quite a bit larger than Baerga's edge >>>in slugging. >> >>I'm no SDCN, but what's more valuable: >> >>28 hits w/5 more doubles, 12 more HRs OR >>7 more triples and 52 BBs? (Let's not forget the 39 extra SBs. How many CS?) > >Of course the 28 hits and 12 homers are more valuable. > >But don't forget the 58 outs. You can't have it both ways; Baerga's higher >raw numbers are due to him having more playing time, and thus he had more >hits and homers, but don't forget the cost of those outs. > >(BTW, just to answer your question, Alomar had 49 SB and 9 CS; Baerga had >10 SB and 2 CS, which gives a minute plus on Alomar's side.) Something else to consider: Alomar's H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga's was .486-.424 and .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park. I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P rated Baerga higher, actually. Mike -- Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^? exit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT ^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !! man help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel ""Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."" " 4664,6,"From: cow@eng.umd.edu (Thomas L. Fortin) Subject: 1992 honda accord Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu 1992 HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE 35,000 MILES ALL HIGHWAY MILES EXCELLENT CONDITION WHITE EX MODEL ""LOADED"" $15,000 OR BEST OFFER call tom @ (201) 653-0638 h (201) 795-5636 w " 4665,8,"From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) Subject: Thanks for the speeding ticket advice! Article-I.D.: mcimail.85930406235158/0005111312NA1EM Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post about fighting my ticket. Many of you wrote to say that you have successfully fought and won your case in court. Others lost due to the cop outright lying to the judge about the circumstances surrounding your ticket, while one fellow lost because the judge just didn't appear to be in the mood for such foolishness. Several of you suggested that I obtain a book called ""Fight Your Ticket"". The general theme from those who said ""go for it"", was to be prepared. I should do as much research as possible, go back and review the scene, transcribe what happened to tape or paper, use any witnesses that may have been around, have a list of questions to ask the cop and/or the judge, and to be positive and assertive. I am innocent until proven guilty! A few people suggested trying to get my court date changed, as this might trip up the arresting officer, he may not show up if the date is on his day off or if he feels/knows that he doesn't have a chance to win against you. One individual stated that an Officer could be an Expert Witness, and if he says I was speeding, then by damn, I was speeding. Another says that I must have been paced or clocked with a radar gun. Lots of good suggestions and ideas from you all. I'll let you know what happens after the big day! /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Peter D. Nesbitt | Air Traffic Controller | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM | | | Oakland Bay TRACON | | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 4666,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr26.172744.23230@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >> >>[...] >>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >>strip and seek work in Israel. > >Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking >his/her sources does not deserve to be believed. The Gaza strip does >not possess the highest population density in the world. In fact, it >isn't even close. Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly >of this statement: the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the >population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area. The >centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher, >population densities. Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao >Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,... > >Need I go on? The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the >truth than this oft-repeated statement is. > Elias' initial statement certain *is* hot air. But it seems to be almost standard procedure around here to first throw out an absurb, overstated image in order to add extra ""meaning"" to the posting's *real point*. However, his second statement *is* quite real. The essential sealing off of Gaza residents from the possibility of making a living *has happened*. Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, but isn't that action a little draconian? -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 4667,7,"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: n Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr14.171718.18852@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) writes: > >> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable >>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too >>tight, is it safe without oil leak? > >Tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual. That >way it won't leak, strip, break, etc. (hopefully :-) ) >> >>Thank you very much in advance------ Winson > >Aviad You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). -- Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA " 4668,12,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: Food Dehydrators Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Lines: 39 >Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing >all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, hea >or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at >My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan >and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together >for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old? You can learn how to build a deyhdrator very easily from the book, ""The Hungry Hiker's Guide to Good Food,"" by Gretchen McHugh. The heat source is a 100 watt light bulb. Basically, it's a vertical wooden box with ventilation holes in the top and bottom (lots of them, you want the air to flow). The light bulb goes in the bottom, and wire cake racks are spaced every 6"" starting about 10"" above the bulb. Or, at a slightly higher cost in electricity, you can do what I do: Use your oven. (NOTE - I do this in an electric oven; some gas ovens may not have a low enough setting). Put food to be dried on cookie tins or racks in the oven. Set oven to 140 degrees (the lowest setting on my oven - if yours goes down to 120 that's probably even better.) Stick a wooden spoon or something across the front corner of the oven and close the door on the spoon so that it stays open about an inch - this allows for airflow. Leave the stuff in the oven for 6 to 8 hours; check it often, since this dries it much faster than the dehydrator. If you are using cookie sheets instead of racks, turn the stuff over halfway through. If you want more info, e-mail me since this isn't really the right sub for this stuff. gerald.belton@ozonehole.com * SLMR 2.1 * I still miss my boss, but my aim is improving. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 4669,11,"From: neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Nntp-Posting-Host: vier.informatik.uni-kl.de Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Lines: 39 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? Note: I am *not* a cable freak, so I might have completely misunderstood what you said. Also, my math is frequently noted for being wrong, so you'll better check the calculations yourself. I assume that 14.4K means 14.4K Bits. So if we assume one start and one stopbit, and no protocol overhead, the effective number of bytes per second is 1.44K. Let's also assume that you do not want to transmit your speech in stereo, so that you can send 1,440 samples/sec. This corresponds to a Nyquist frequency of 720 Hz, which should be too low, especially if you think about the 8-bit low quality sound. Furthermore, your D/A converter will probably not present you with a signal that has been cut off at 720 Hz, but will instead alias in all the higher frequencies. (Although you can definitely build a filter to overcome that problem.) On the other hand, speech should be easily compressible. For example, you could form power spectra, or you could simply band-pass filter and then linearize the fourier transforms. It won't be CD quality sound, but it'll be discernible. The power spectrum method is very good in that respect. I have once programmed such a software compressor, and compression rates of 90% with relative errors due to linearization of less than 5% were common. Although I must say that these were musical sounds, not speech. Have fun. -- Stephan sig closed for inventory. Please leave your pickaxe outside. PGP 2.2 public key available on request. Note the expiration date. " 4670,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 04/15 - Calculations Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 334 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 19:56:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/math Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:12 $ PERFORMING CALCULATIONS AND INTERPRETING DATA FORMATS COMPUTING SPACECRAFT ORBITS AND TRAJECTORIES References that have been frequently recommended on the net are: ""Fundamentals of Astrodynamics"" Roger Bate, Donald Mueller, Jerry White 1971, Dover Press, 455pp $8.95 (US) (paperback). ISBN 0-486-60061-0 NASA Spaceflight handbooks (dating from the 1960s) SP-33 Orbital Flight Handbook (3 parts) SP-34 Lunar Flight Handbook (3 parts) SP-35 Planetary Flight Handbook (9 parts) These might be found in university aeronautics libraries or ordered through the US Govt. Printing Office (GPO), although more information would probably be needed to order them. M. A. Minovitch, _The Determination and Characteristics of Ballistic Interplanetary Trajectories Under the Influence of Multiple Planetary Attractions_, Technical Report 32-464, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., Oct, 1963. The title says all. Starts of with the basics and works its way up. Very good. It has a companion article: M. Minovitch, _Utilizing Large Planetary Perubations for the Design of Deep-Space Solar-Probe and Out of Ecliptic Trajectories_, Technical Report 32-849, JPL, Pasadena, Calif., 1965. You need to read the first one first to realy understand this one. It does include a _short_ summary if you can only find the second. Contact JPL for availability of these reports. ""Spacecraft Attitude Dynamics"", Peter C. Hughes 1986, John Wiley and Sons. ""Celestial Mechanics: a computational guide for the practitioner"", Lawrence G. Taff, (Wiley-Interscience, New York, 1985). Starts with the basics (2-body problem, coordinates) and works up to orbit determinations, perturbations, and differential corrections. Taff also briefly discusses stellar dynamics including a short discussion of n-body problems. COMPUTING PLANETARY POSITIONS More net references: Van Flandern & Pullinen, _Low-Precision Formulae for Planetary Positions_, Astrophysical J. Supp Series, 41:391-411, 1979. Look in an astronomy or physics library for this; also said to be available from Willmann-Bell. Gives series to compute positions accurate to 1 arc minute for a period + or - 300 years from now. Pluto is included but stated to have an accuracy of only about 15 arc minutes. _Multiyear Interactive Computer Almanac_ (MICA), produced by the US Naval Observatory. Valid for years 1990-1999. $55 ($80 outside US). Available for IBM (order #PB93-500163HDV) or Macintosh (order #PB93-500155HDV). From the NTIS sales desk, (703)-487-4650. I believe this is intended to replace the USNO's Interactive Computer Ephemeris. _Interactive Computer Ephemeris_ (from the US Naval Observatory) distributed on IBM-PC floppy disks, $35 (Willmann-Bell). Covers dates 1800-2049. ""Planetary Programs and Tables from -4000 to +2800"", Bretagnon & Simon 1986, Willmann-Bell. Floppy disks available separately. ""Fundamentals of Celestial Mechanics"" (2nd ed), J.M.A. Danby 1988, Willmann-Bell. A good fundamental text. Includes BASIC programs; a companion set of floppy disks is available separately. ""Astronomical Formulae for Calculators"" (4th ed.), J. Meeus 1988, Willmann-Bell. ""Astronomical Algorithms"", J. Meeus 1991, Willmann-Bell. If you actively use one of the editions of ""Astronomical Formulae for Calculators"", you will want to replace it with ""Astronomical Algorithms"". This new book is more oriented towards computers than calculators and contains formulae for planetary motion based on modern work by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the U.S. Naval Observatory, and the Bureau des Longitudes. The previous books were all based on formulae mostly developed in the last century. Algorithms available separately on diskette. ""Practical Astronomy with your Calculator"" (3rd ed.), P. Duffett-Smith 1988, Cambridge University Press. ""Orbits for Amateurs with a Microcomputer"", D. Tattersfield 1984, Stanley Thornes, Ltd. Includes example programs in BASIC. ""Orbits for Amateurs II"", D. Tattersfield 1987, John Wiley & Sons. ""Astronomy / Scientific Software"" - catalog of shareware, public domain, and commercial software for IBM and other PCs. Astronomy software includes planetarium simulations, ephemeris generators, astronomical databases, solar system simulations, satellite tracking programs, celestial mechanics simulators, and more. Andromeda Software, Inc. P.O. Box 605 Amherst, NY 14226-0605 COMPUTING CRATER DIAMETERS FROM EARTH-IMPACTING ASTEROIDS Astrogeologist Gene Shoemaker proposes the following formula, based on studies of cratering caused by nuclear tests. (1/3.4) D = S S c K W : crater diameter in km g p f n (1/6) S = (g /g ) : gravity correction factor for bodies other than g e t Earth, where g = 9.8 m/s^2 and g is the surface e t gravity of the target body. This scaling is cited for lunar craters and may hold true for other bodies. (1/3.4) S = (p / p ) : correction factor for target density p , p a t t p = 1.8 g/cm^3 for alluvium at the Jangle U a crater site, p = 2.6 g/cm^3 for average rock on the continental shields. C : crater collapse factor, 1 for craters <= 3 km in diameter, 1.3 for larger craters (on Earth). (1/3.4) K : .074 km / (kT TNT equivalent) n empirically determined from the Jangle U nuclear test crater. 3 2 19 W = pi * d * delta * V / (12 * 4.185 * 10 ) : projectile kinetic energy in kT TNT equivalent given diameter d, velocity v, and projectile density delta in CGS units. delta of around 3 g/cm^3 is fairly good for an asteroid. An RMS velocity of V = 20 km/sec may be used for Earth-crossing asteroids. Under these assumptions, the body which created the Barringer Meteor Crater in Arizona (1.13 km diameter) would have been about 40 meters in diameter. More generally, one can use (after Gehrels, 1985): Asteroid Number of objects Impact probability Impact energy diameter (km) (impacts/year) (* 5*10^20 ergs) 10 10 10^-8 10^9 1 1 000 10^-6 10^6 0.1 100 000 10^-4 10^3 assuming simple scaling laws. Note that 5*10^20 ergs = 13 000 tons TNT equivalent, or the energy released by the Hiroshima A-bomb. References: Gehrels, T. 1985 Asteroids and comets. _Physics Today_ 38, 32-41. [an excellent general overview of the subject for the layman] Shoemaker, E.M. 1983 Asteroid and comet bombardment of the earth. _Ann. Rev. Earth Planet. Sci._ 11, 461-494. [very long and fairly technical but a comprehensive examination of the subject] Shoemaker, E.M., J.G. Williams, E.F. Helin & R.F. Wolfe 1979 Earth-crossing asteroids: Orbital classes, collision rates with Earth, and origin. In _Asteroids_, T. Gehrels, ed., pp. 253-282, University of Arizona Press, Tucson. Cunningham, C.J. 1988 _Introduction to Asteroids: The Next Frontier_ (Richmond: Willman-Bell, Inc.) [covers all aspects of asteroid studies and is an excellent introduction to the subject for people of all experience levels. It also has a very extensive reference list covering essentially all of the reference material in the field.] MAP PROJECTIONS AND SPHERICAL TRIGNOMETRY Two easy-to-find sources of map projections are the ""Encyclopaedia Brittanica"", (particularly the older volumes) and a tutorial appearing in _Graphics Gems_ (Academic Press, 1990). The latter was written with simplicity of exposition and suitability of digital computation in mind (spherical trig formulae also appear, as do digitally-plotted examples). More than you ever cared to know about map projections is in John Snyder's USGS publication ""Map Projections--A Working Manual"", USGS Professional Paper 1395. This contains detailed descriptions of 32 projections, with history, features, projection formulas (for both spherical earth and ellipsoidal earth), and numerical test cases. It's a neat book, all 382 pages worth. This one's $20. You might also want the companion volume, by Snyder and Philip Voxland, ""An Album of Map Projections"", USGS Professional Paper 1453. This contains less detail on about 130 projections and variants. Formulas are in the back, example plots in the front. $14, 250 pages. You can order these 2 ways. The cheap, slow way is direct from USGS: Earth Science Information Center, US Geological Survey, 507 National Center, Reston, VA 22092. (800)-USA-MAPS. They can quote you a price and tell you where to send your money. Expect a 6-8 week turnaround time. A much faster way (about 1 week) is through Timely Discount Topos, (303)-469-5022, 9769 W. 119th Drive, Suite 9, Broomfield, CO 80021. Call them and tell them what you want. They'll quote a price, you send a check, and then they go to USGS Customer Service Counter and pick it up for you. Add about a $3-4 service charge, plus shipping. A (perhaps more accessible) mapping article is: R. Miller and F. Reddy, ""Mapping the World in Pascal"", Byte V12 #14, December 1987 Contains Turbo Pascal procedures for five common map projections. A demo program, CARTOG.PAS, and a small (6,000 point) coastline data is available on CompuServe, GEnie, and many BBSs. Some references for spherical trignometry are: _Spherical Astronomy_, W.M. Smart, Cambridge U. Press, 1931. _A Compendium of Spherical Astronomy_, S. Newcomb, Dover, 1960. _Spherical Astronomy_, R.M. Green, Cambridge U. Press., 1985 (update of Smart). _Spherical Astronomy_, E Woolard and G.Clemence, Academic Press, 1966. PERFORMING N-BODY SIMULATIONS EFFICIENTLY ""Computer Simulation Using Particles"" R. W. Hockney and J. W. Eastwood (Adam Hilger; Bristol and Philadelphia; 1988) ""The rapid evaluation of potential fields in particle systems"", L. Greengard MIT Press, 1988. A breakthrough O(N) simulation method. Has been parallelized. L. Greengard and V. Rokhlin, ""A fast algorithm for particle simulations,"" Journal of Computational Physics, 73:325-348, 1987. ""An O(N) Algorithm for Three-dimensional N-body Simulations"", MSEE thesis, Feng Zhao, MIT AILab Technical Report 995, 1987 ""Galactic Dynamics"" J. Binney & S. Tremaine (Princeton U. Press; Princeton; 1987) Includes an O(N^2) FORTRAN code written by Aarseth, a pioneer in the field. Hierarchical (N log N) tree methods are described in these papers: A. W. Appel, ""An Efficient Program for Many-body Simulation"", SIAM Journal of Scientific and Statistical Computing, Vol. 6, p. 85, 1985. Barnes & Hut, ""A Hierarchical O(N log N) Force-Calculation Algorithm"", Nature, V324 # 6096, 4-10 Dec 1986. L. Hernquist, ""Hierarchical N-body Methods"", Computer Physics Communications, Vol. 48, p. 107, 1988. INTERPRETING THE FITS IMAGE FORMAT If you just need to examine FITS images, use the ppm package (see the comp.graphics FAQ) to convert them to your preferred format. For more information on the format and other software to read and write it, see the sci.astro.fits FAQ. SKY (UNIX EPHEMERIS PROGRAM) The 6th Edition of the Unix operating system came with several software systems not distributed because of older media capacity limitations. Included were an ephmeris, a satellite track, and speech synthesis software. The ephmeris, sky(6), is available within AT&T and to sites possessing a Unix source code license. The program is regarded as Unix source code. Sky is <0.5MB. Send proof of source code license to E. Miya MS 258-5 NASA Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov THREE-DIMENSIONAL STAR/GALAXY COORDINATES To generate 3D coordinates of astronomical objects, first obtain an astronomical database which specifies right ascension, declination, and parallax for the objects. Convert parallax into distance using the formula in part 6 of the FAQ, convert RA and declination to coordinates on a unit sphere (see some of the references on planetary positions and spherical trignometry earlier in this section for details on this), and scale this by the distance. Two databases useful for this purpose are the Yale Bright Star catalog (sources listed in FAQ section 3) or ""The Catalogue of Stars within 25 parsecs of the Sun"" (in pub/SPACE/FAQ/stars.data and stars.doc on ames.arc.nasa.gov). NEXT: FAQ #5/15 - References on specific areas " 4671,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 227 Someone sent me this FAQ by E-mail and I post my response here. [I'm not enforcing the inclusion limits on this FAQ because most of our readers probably haven't seen it. --clh] Christ warns that anyone who ""breaks one of the least of these commandments *and* teaches otheres to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"" (Matt. 5:19. This FAQ is so full of error that I must respond to it. I hope that whoever maintains will remove from it the partisan theology. | > Brothers and Sisters, | > | > Being new to the faith and examining the Decalogue closely, I've noticed the | > fourth commandment is pretty specific about ""keeping the Sabbath day."" It | > states the 7th day( Saturday ) is the Sabbath while most Christian religions | > keep( or atleast go to church ) on Sunday. What's up? | | This is a frequently asked question. Every time it arises, it causes | months of debate. So let me see if I can answer you directly. | Basically it's because the Law was given to Moses as part of a | specific covenanent with the Jews. Most of us aren't Jews, so we | aren't part of that covenant. There was an argument early in | Christian history about whether the Mosaic laws should apply to | Gentiles who became Christians. You can see the account of this | debate in Acts 15. The main question there was circumcision, but | keeping the Sabbath would be part of it as well. The apostles | concluded that we need not become Jews in order to become Christians, | and therefore that rules such as circumcision did not apply to us. 1. The law was known to man before it was revealed on Mount Sinai. Rom 4:15 notes that ""where no law is, there is no transgression."" Not only did sin exist before Sinai (Eden), but the Sabbath was kept before it was revealed on Sinai (Ex 16). 2. The problem with the first covenant was not the law, but the promise which undergirded it. God wanted to perform his will in the lives of the people, but in their ignorance after 400 years of slavery, they promised ""what ever He says to do we will do."" That is why the new covenant is based on ""better promises"" (Heb. 8:6). Rather than do away with the law God promised to ""put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts"" (Heb. 8:10). 3. Including the Sabbath in the Acts 15 is selective inclusion. The Sabbath was more important to the Jews than circumcision. If any attempt had been made to do away with the Sabbath the reaction would have been even more strident than is recorded in Acts 15. Do not confuse the weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue with the ceremonial sabbaths which could occur at any time of the week and were part of the law (ceremonial) which was *added* because of transgression (of the moral law) (Gal 3:19). 4. Israel stands for God's people of all time. That is why God *grafted* the Gentiles in. Roma 9:4 says that the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises belong to Israelites. In explanation Paul makes it clear that being born into Israel is not enough ""For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"" v 6. Then in Gal 3:19 he says ""if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."" All Christians are Abraham's seed, Jews, Israelites. Not physically, for that is not the criterion, but spiritually. We are joint heirs with Jesus based on the promise God made to all his people the Israelites. | | While Christians agree that the OT Laws do not all apply to us, | because some of them are part of a specific covenanent with the Jews, | we also expect to see some similarity between the things God expected | from the Jews and the things he expects from us. After all, it's the | same God. However there are several ways of dealing with this. | | These days the most common approach is to separate the OT commandments | into ""moral"" and ""ceremonial"". Ceremonial commandments apply only to | the Jews. They are part of the specific Mosaic covenant. These are | thinsg like the kosher laws and circumcision. Moral laws apply to | everyone. Most of the 10 commands are part of the moral law, except | for the commandment about the Sabbath. I believe most people who take | this approach would say that the specific requirement to worship on | the Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law, but a general obligation to | worship regularly is part of the general moral law. Thus Christians | are free to choose the specific time we worship. People would probably agree but they are wrong. How can the Sabbath commandment be ceremonial when it is part of a law which predates the ceremonial laws? You are not free to choose your time of worship. Even if you were why do you follow a day of worship which has its origins in pagan sun worship. Would you rather give up a day which God blessed, sanctified, and hallowed in exchange for one which all church leaders agree has not biblical foundation (see Sabbath Admissions in soc.religion.christian.bible-study). | | A more radical approach (which is generally connected with John Calvin | and the Reformed tradition) says that the Law as a whole is no longer | binding. Instead, we are entirely under grace, and our behavior | should be guided solely by love. Portions of the OT Law are still | useful as guidance. But they are not properly speaking legally | binding on us. In practice most people who take this position do not | believe it is safe to leave Christians without moral guidannce. While | we may no longer be under Law, as sinners, it's not safe for us to go | into situations with no principles to guide us. We're too good at | self-justification for that to be safe. Thus Christians do have moral | guidance, from things like Jesus' teachings, Paul's advice, etc. | These may not be precisely a Law, but they serve much the same | function as, and have largely the same content as, the ""moral law"" in | the previous analysis. While Calvin would deny that we have a fixed | legal responsibility to worship on any specific day, he would say that | given human weakness, the discipline of regular worship is important. | I do not care what Calvin or any theologian says. My guide is what God says. If being not under the law means we do not have to keep the law, why is it that the only section of the law we have trouble with is the Sabbath commandment, which is the only one God thought was important enough to say *REMEMBER*? If you study the word deeply you will note that the message is that we are no longer under the condemnation of the law but freed by the grace of God. If a cop pulls me over for speeding, then in court I ask for mercy and the judge does not throw the book at me but gives me grace, do I walk out of the court saying ""I can now go on speeding, for I am now under grace?"" Being under grace I now drive within the speed limit. Paul adds to it in Rom. 3:31 ""Di we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."" ""Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good"" (Rom. 7:12). | In both analyses, the specific day is not an issue. As a matter of | tradition, we worship on Sunday as a memorial of Christ's | resurrection. There's some debate about what Acts shows about early | Christian worship. The most common analysis is that is shows Jewish | Christians continuing to go to Jewish services on the Sabbath, but | that specifically Christian service were not necessarily held then. | Act 20:7 shows worship on the first day (Sunday), and I Cor 16:2 also | implies gatherings on that day. | | There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to | worship on the Sabbath (Saturday). The best-known are the Seventh-Day | Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. They argue that Act 20:7 is not a | regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and | that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service. Do you prefer implication to fact? A careful study of the Acts 20 shows that the meeting was on Saturday night and that on Sunday morning Paul did not go to a worship service, but set off on a long journey by foot to Assos. In ICor 16 there is no way you can equate ""lay by him in store"" with ""go to a worship service."" | | It's clear that this issue was a contested one in Paul's time. See | Rom 14:5. Paul's advice is that we should be very careful about | judging each other on issues like this. One person sees a specific | day as mandated by God, while another does not. He who observes that | specific day does it in honor of the Lord. He who believes his | worship is free of such restrictions also does it in honor of the | Lord. (Those who believe that the Sabbath is still mandated argue | that Paul is not referring to Sabbath worship here. Note however Col | 2:16, which says something similar but briefer. It explicitly | mentions Sabbath.) Wrong. These are the sabbath days of the ceremonial law, not the Sabbath day of the moral law. | | There are some differences among Christians about use of the word | ""Sabbath"". Originally the term referred to the 7th Day, the Jewish | day of worship. Many Christians now use it to refer to Sunday, the | day of Christian worship. They do this largely so that they can apply | the 4th (or whatever -- there are a couple of different numbering | schemes) commandment to it. Reformed tradition does not do this. It | distinguishes between the Sabbath -- which is the observance mandated | for Jews, and the Lord's Day -- which is the free Christian worship. | (The only reference I can find to this in the NT is Rev 1:10.) There | are also differences about laws regarding this day. Many Christians | support ""blue laws"", both in secular law and church law, setting aside | that day and causing people to spend it in worship. The more radical | anti-legal approach sees such regulations as a return to the Jewish | Sabbath, which is not appropriate to the free Christian worship of the | Lord's Day. | Why would you prefer to twist and turn, relying on different arguments which conflict with each other, rather than obey a simple request from a God who loved you enough to die for you. Jesus died because the law could not be changed. Why bother to die in order to meet the demands of a broken law if all you need to do is change the law. Penalties for law breaking means the law is immutable. That is why it is no sin not to follow the demands of the ceremonial laws. It will always be a sin to make false gods, to violate God's name, to break the Sabbath, to steal, to kill, etc. Except it you disagree. But then your opinion has no weight when placed next to the word of God. Darius [It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is probably all that needs to be said. I accept that Darius is doing what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally accept that those who ""esteem all days alike"" are similarly doing their best to honor the Lord. However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually about something else. They both look like they are talking about nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says ""and they gathered every Sunday for worship"". We get various pieces of information, but nothing aimed at answering this question. Act 2:26 describes Christians as participating both in Jewish temple worship and in Christian communion services in homes. Obviously the temple worship is on the Sabbath. Acts 13:44 is an example of Christians participating in them. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us what day Christians met in their houses. Acts 20:7, despite Darius' confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday. (I see no reason to impose modern definitions of when days start, when the Biblical text is clear about what was meant.) The wording implies to me that this was a normal meeting. It doesn't say they gathered to see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread, Paul talked about his upcoming travel. But that's just not explicit enough to be really convincing. Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2. It says that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's collection. Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it, but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day. So I think the most obvious reading of this is that ""on the first day of every week"" simply means every time they gather for worship. I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian worship was. --clh] " 4672,12,"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) Subject: Re: MC SBI mixer Article-I.D.: ssc.1993Apr21.183146.19241 Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Mark J. Musone (musone@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related : subjects. I am currently learning about AM/FM receivers and recieving : circuits. : : P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED : ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot. : I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of : circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help. A pretty serious book that still seems readable is Communication Receivers, Principes and Design by Rohde and Bucher. Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com " 4673,19,"From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 24 I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the title post of a new thread, ""Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?"" and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread ""A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised"" both only in talk.abortion, but I am posting its contents into talk.religion.misc as soon as I exit here. This should be enough for us to thrash out for the next week or so. The second post really grapples with the main bones of contention between us. The first is more lighthearted and tells about such things as KaflowitzDebatingPoints [tm], which he continues to rack up on both talk.abortion and talk.religion.misc, while setting follow-ups to talk.abortion alone. His lame excuse for the latter policy is that he gets a prompt as to where to set follow-ups, and does not follow talk.religion.misc much; this suggests that he is being hypocritical in not also setting his Newsgroups line to talk.abortion alone. Peter Nyikos " 4674,1,"From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) Subject: The OTIS Project (FTP sites for original art and images) Keywords: Mr.Owl, how many licks... Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 227 ------------------------------------- + ............The OTIS Project '93 + + ""The Operative Term Is STIMULATE"" + ------------------------------------- ---this file last updated..4-21-93--- WHAT IS OTIS? OTIS is here for the purpose of distributing original artwork and photographs over the network for public perusal, scrutiny, and distribution. Digital immortality. The basic idea behind ""digital immortality"" is that computer networks are here to stay and that anything interesting you deposit on them will be around near-forever. The GIFs and JPGs of today will be the artifacts of a digital future. Perhaps they'll be put in different formats, perhaps only surviving on backup tapes....but they'll be there...and someone will dig them up. If that doesn't interest you... OTIS also offers a forum for critique and exhibition of your works....a virtual art gallery that never closes and exists in an information dimension where your submissions will hang as wallpaper on thousands of glowing monitors. Suddenly, life is breathed into your work...and by merit of it's stimulus, it will travel the globe on pulses of light and electrons. Spectators are welcome also, feel free to browse the gallery and let the artists know what you think of their efforts. Keep your own copies of the images to look at when you've got the gumption... that's what they're here for. --------------------------------------------------------------- WHERE? OTIS currently (as of 4/21/93) has two FTP sites. 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis), the UWI site sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS), the SUNsite (you can also GOPHER to this site for OTIS as well) Merely ""anonymous FTP"" to either site on Internet and change to the appropriate directory. Don't forget to get busy and use the ""bin"" command to make sure you're in binary. OTIS has also been spreading to some dial-up BBS systems around North America....the following systems have a substancial supply of OTIStuff... Underground Cafe (Omaha) (402.339.0179) 2 lines CyberDen (SanFran?) (415.472.5527) Usenet Waffle-iron -------------------------------------------------------------- HOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE? What happens is...you draw a pretty picture or take a lovely photo, get it scanned into an image file, then either FTP-put it in the CONTRIB/Incoming directory or use UUENCODE to send it to me (email addresses at eof) in email. After the image is received, it will be put into the correct directory. Computer originated works are also welcome. OTIS' directories house two types of image files, GIF and JPG. GIF and JPG files require, oddly enough, a GIF or JPG viewer to see. These viewers are available for all types of computers at most large FTP sites around Internet. JPG viewers are a bit tougher to find. If you can't find one, but do have a GIF viewer, you can obtain a JPG-to-GIF conversion program which will change JPG files to a standard GIF format. OTIS also accepts animation files. When you submit image files, please send me email at the same time stating information about what you uploaded and whether it is to be used (in publications or other projects) or if it is merely for people to view. Also, include some biographical information on yourself, we'll be having info-files on each contributing artist and their works. You can also just upload a text-file of info about yourself (instead of emailing). If you have pictures, but no scanner, there is hope. Merely send copies to: The OTIS Project c/o Ed Stastny PO BX 241113 Omaha, NE 68124-1113 I will either scan them myself or get them to someone who will scan them. Include an ample SASE if you want your stuff back. Also include information on each image, preferably a 1-3 line description of the image that we can include in the infofile in the directory where it's finally put. If you have preferences as to what the images are to be named, include those as well. Conversely, if you have a scanner and would like to help out, please contact me and we'll arrange things. If you want to submit your works by disk, peachy. Merely send a 3.5"" disk to the above address (Omaha) and a SASE if you want your disk back. This is good for people who don't have direct access to encoders or FTP, but do have access to a scanner. We accept disks in either Mac or IBM compatible format. If possible, please submit image files as GIF or JPG. If you can't...we can convert from most formats...we'd just rather not have to. At senders request, we can also fill disks with as much OTIS as they can stand. Even if you don't have stuff to contribute, you can send a blank disk and an SASE (or $2.50 for disk, postage and packing) to get a slab-o-OTIS. As of 04/21/93, we're at about 18 megabytes of files, and growing. Email me for current archive size and directory. -------------------------------------------------------------------- DISTRIBUTION? The images distributed by the OTIS project may be distributed freely on the condition that the original filename is kept and that it is not altered in any way (save to convert from one image format to another). In fact, we encourage files to be distributed to local bulletin boards and such. If you could, please transport the appropriate text files along with the images. It would also be nice if you'd send me a note when you did post images from OTIS to your local bbs. I just want to keep track of them so participants can have some idea how widespread their stuff is. It's the purpose of OTIS to get these images spread out as much as possible. If you have the time, please upload a few to your favorite BBS system....or even just post this ""info-file"" there. It would be keen of you. -------------------------------------------------------------------- USE? If you want to use any of the works you find on the OTIS directory, you'll have to check to see if permission has been granted and the stipulations of the permission (such as free copy of publication, or full address credit). You will either find this in the "".rm"" file for the image or series of images...or in the ""Artists"" directory under the Artists name. If permission isn't explicitly given, then you'll have to contact the artist to ask for it. If no info is available, email me (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu), and I'll get in contact with the artist for you, or give you their contact information. When you DO use permitted work, it's always courteous to let the artist know about it, perhaps even send them a free copy or some such compensation for their files. --------------------------------------------------------------------- NAMING IMAGES? Please keep the names of your files in ""dos"" format. That means, keep the filename (before .jpg or .gif) to eight characters or less. The way I usually do it is to use the initials of the artist, plus a three or four digit ""code"" for the series of images, plus the series number. Thus, Leonardo DeVinci's fifth mechanical drawing would be something like: ldmek5.gif OR ldmek5.jpg OR ldmech5.gif ETC Keeping the names under 8 characters assures that the filename will remain intact on all systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- CREATING IMAGE FILES? When creating image files, be sure to at least include your name somewhere on or below the picture. This gives people a reference in case they'd like to contact you. You may also want to include a title, address or other information you'd like people to know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HMMM?! That's about it for now. More ""guidelines"" will be added as needed. Your input is expected. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project has no connection to the Church of OTIS (a sumerian deity) or it's followers, be they pope, priest, or ezine administrator. We do take sacrifices and donations however. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project is here for the distribution of original image files. The files will go to the public at large. It's possible, as with any form of mass-media, that someone could unscrupulously use your images for financial gain. Unless you've given permission for that, it's illegal. OTIS takes no responsibility for this. In simple terms, all rights revert to the author/artist. To leave an image on OTIS is to give permission for it to be viewed, copied and distributed electronically. If you don't want your images distributed all-over, don't upload them. To leave an image on OTIS is NOT giving permission to have it used in any publication or broadcast that incurs profit (this includes, but is not limited to, magazines, newsletters, clip-art software, screen-printed clothing, etc). You must give specific permission for this sort of usage. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember, the operative term is ""stimulate"". If you know of people that'd be interested in this sort of thing...get them involved...kick'm in the booty....offer them free food...whatever... ....e (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu) (ed@sunsite.unc.edu) -- Ed Stastny | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts PO BX 241113 | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS) Omaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis) ---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu " 4675,5,"From: zack@netcom.com (Zack T. Smith) Subject: Strange exposure problem Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 19 Hi, I'm trying to write a Motif program on an Interactive Unix machine, and I'm observing very strange behavior when my program attempts to expose a DrawingArea. Namely, some Xlib operations work, and some do not. In particular, the expose consist of two XFillRectangle calls followed by some XDrawPoint calls, and for reasons unknown to me the point calls are failing whenever a pulldown or popup up menu is (clicked on and) moved in the rightward direction over the drawing area, but after the move, is still on some part of the drawing area. This also happens less consistently when the pulldown/popup is moved in the leftward direction. Assuming that my code is not doing anything incredibly odd, is this a server bug? Thanks, Zack T. Smith " 4676,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: etymology of ""Easter"" Lines: 53 for SRC In most languages, the Feast of the Resurrection of Our Lord is known as the PASCH, or PASQUE, or some variation thereof, a word which comes from the Hebrew PESACH, meaning ""Passover."" In English, German, and a few related languages, however, it is known as EASTER, or some variation thereof, and questions have been asked about the origin of this term. One explanation is that given by the Venerable Bede in his DE RATIONE TEMPORUM 1:5, where he derives the word from the name of an Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring called EASTRE. Bede is a great scholar, and it is natural to take his word for it. But he lived 673-735, and Augustine began preaching in Kent in 597. The use of the word EASTER to describe the Feast would have been well established before the birth of Bede and probably before the birth of anyone he might have discussed the subject with. It seems likely that his derivation is just a guess, based on his awareness that there had been an Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring bearing that name, and the resemblance of the words. Thus, if the said resemblance (surely it is not surprising that a personification of Spring should have a name similar to the word for Dawn) is not in istelf convincing, the testimony (or rather the conjecture) by Bede does not make it more so. Assuming that Bede was right, that would not justify saying that the Christian celebration (which, after all, had been going on for some centuries before the name EASTER was applied to it) has pagan roots. It would simply mean that the Anglo-Saxons, upon becoming Christians and beginning to celebrate the Resurrection by a festival every spring, called it by the name that to them meant simply ""Spring Festival."" However, Bede's is not the only theory that has been proposed. J Knoblech, in ""Die Sprach,"" ZEITSCHRIFT FUER SPRACHWISSENSCHAFT 5 (Vienna, 1959) 27-45, offers the following derivation: Among Latin-speaking Christians, the week beginning with the Feast of the Resurrection was known as ""hebdomada alba"" (white week), since the newly-baptized Christians were accustomed to wear their white baptismal robes throughout that week. Sometimes the week was referred to simply as ""albae."" Translaters rendering this into German mistook it for the plural of ""alba,"" meaning ""dawn."" They accordingly rendered it as EOSTARUM, which is Old High German for ""dawn."" This gave rise to the form EASTER in English. Yours, James Kiefer [No, I'm not interested in restarting discussions of the propriety of celebrating Easter. However this seems like it contains enough interesting information that people might like to see it. --clh] " 4677,5,"From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels) Subject: Re: C++ toolkit ""directions"" ? Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 41 In article <533@imp.HellNet.org> devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene) writes: >I am trying to figure out the current C++ toolkit ""directions"". >More simply, I'd like to know which C++ toolkit to ""bet on"" >for use in a new long term project. I have the same problem. I have looked at Motif++, WWL, InterViews, GINA++, and a few variations on the above. I've also done a cursory examination of Rogue Wave's View.h++. I like View.h++'s abstractions best of all of the toolkits I mentioned, but the resulting code looks little like Motif, and I have little confidence that this software will catch on or otherwise result in significant longevity for my code. GINA++ allows you to write code which looks a great deal like Motif and also makes interesting use of inheritance, but the resulting code is almost too Motif-like, and is certainly not significantly less verbose than equivalent C code. InterViews looks promising, but I haven't found a free version with Motif support, and I'm not confident how widely InterViews with Motif support will be adopted, and what (if any) specific Motif support will be available over time. The other libraries produce code which is less Motif-like, but which does not make sufficient use of the features of C++ to simplify my coding task. At this point, my inclination is to write my Motif manipulation routines in C, and invoke those routines from my C++ code using simple abstractions suited to my specific task. Later, if OSF or some credible standards-setting body comes up with a C++ interface to Motif, I will change to that. It does me no goo to write in C++ if my choice of interfaces leaves me with code which leaves me tied to an abstraction which is not consistent with the industry directions. It's better to take a standard if inferior solution for now than to go with a slgihtly superior approach which will leave me with both useless code and useless skills a few years from now. Views.h++ is the only library I'd consider right now, but in our environment, we'd end up spending nearly $5000 to use it, and I can't justify it when it's likely to cause short-term productivity decreases as we learn the new abstraction, and is unlikely to be a sufficiently long-lived solution for us to reap the benefits at the high end of the J curve. - Brad -- Brad Daniels ` | ""If money can't buy happiness, daniels@neosoft.com | I guess I'll have to rent it."" I don't work for NeoSoft, and | - Weird Al Yenkovic don't speak for my employer. | " 4678,5,"From: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) Subject: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size? Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, Darmstadt, FRG Lines: 25 Hello Everybody! I have a little question: Due to more features (PEX, Drag&Drop) many applications when linked with for example Motif 1.2 instead Motif 1.1 need more memory in the Xserver. X-terminals only have limited memory (normally no swapping possible). So my question: Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of free memory available to the Xserver? So one can determine for example whether to start a PEX application with the CSS on client side or on server side (when there is enough memory). Please reply via e-mail, I'll summarize! Sincerly, Matthias -- Matthias Pfuetzner | @work: +49 6151 155-150 | @home: +49 6151 75717 6100 Darmstadt, FRG | ZGDV, Wilhelminenstrasse 7 | Lichtenbergstrasse 73 pfuetzner@igd.fhg.de, pfuetzner@zgdvda.UUCP | Keith Packard said: R5 is different from R4. That's why we changed the release number :-) " 4679,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: The wiretap chip, clones, and secure key-exchange Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 33 U23590@uicvm.uic.edu writes: >The cryptographic algorythm MUST be kept secret, or >private individuals could make ClipperClones with >which they could transmit messages which the feds would not have >ready access to. Not necessarily. I've been thinking about this, and if this chip/scheme is to provide any real security, there must be some sort of key exchange, either using a public-key encryption scheme, or using a key exchange scheme like Diffie-Hellman. If there's an out-of-band transmission of a shared session key, then what protects that band from eavesdropping? If the phone company or some other online central authority generates a session key and sends it to both users, then what's the point of going to the trouble of having some complicated key-depositories? Just ask the phone company for a copy of the session key for each call. Now, it's probably not practical for each user to keep an online copy of every public key used by anyone anywhere, right? So, probably, there will be some way of getting these keys verified. This might be a digitally- signed (by the chip manufacturer) copy of the public key in this unit, stored by this unit. It might also be an online directory with access to everyone's public keys. (This would introduce another weakness to the security of the scheme, of course.) Presumably, if you don't use your designated key, you can't get a verified connection to other standard chips. It might be useful to have a modified chip, which would allow you to use either the original public/private key pair, or some other key pair and verification scheme. Unfortunately, this would not allow you to call most people and establish secure communications.... --John Kelsey >I hope somebody starts doing this soon after the first >ones are released... " 4680,6,"From: rbacalzo@quasar.sierra.com (Roger Bacalzo) Subject: Victoria, B.C. Hotel Room $40/2 nights Article-I.D.: sierra.1993Apr20.162758.11363 Organization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc. Kirkland, WA Lines: 27 Victoria Hotel Reserv. 2 nights $40 MID-WEEK (Sun - Thurs) Hotel reservation available for Victoria, Canada. 2 nights/3 days for $40. Expires June 1, 1993. This is a LETTER OF CREDIT (fully transferrable) issued by HOTELCO for a hotel room in any of a number of available hotels in Victoria, Canada. HOTELCO is a reputable hotel booking company that provides hotel stays at low prices. This LETTER OF CREDIT normally works for weekends, too, but all weekends are booked solid for the summer. So, check with HOTELCO directly for available dates at one of its member hotels to use this LETTER OF CREDIT before June 1. HOTELCO can be reached at (206)485-5200 in Bothell or 1-800-645-8885 during regular business hours. Then, if you find an acceptable reservation date, contact me for this LETTER OF CREDIT. Roger Bacalzo rbacalzo@sierra.com (206)828-9094 (home) (206)822-5200 x360 (work) -- Roger Bacalzo Sierra Geophysics 11255 Kirkland Way (206) 822-5200 ext. 360 Kirkland, WA 98033 rbacalzo@sibu.sierra.com " 4681,8,"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) Subject: Re: Goldwing performance Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 36 / hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am Apr 1, 1993 / In article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson) wrote: > From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in > 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes > is faster than any of the Harleys listed. It depreciates much faster, too. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. ---------- The '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah, they depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then they bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for just under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost 16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost. Think the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure. If that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere $2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to depreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of the bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about Harleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the knocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-) According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that doesn't defecate much. =:-] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, 350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4682,17,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Lines: 147 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr18.212610.5933@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: |>In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: |> |>>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? |> |> Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave Lebanon when |>the Lebanese government can provide guarantees that Israel will not be |>attacked from Lebanese soil, and when the Syrians leave. Not acceptable. Syria and Lebanon have a right to determine if they wish to return to the situation prior to the French invasion where they were both part of the same ""mandate territory"" - read colony. Israel has no right to determine what happens in Lebanon. Invading another country because you consider them a threat is precisely the way that almost all wars of aggression have started. |>>2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan |>>temporary? |> |> The three are very different issues. Israel has stated |>repeatedly that it will not give up the whole Golan, but may be |>willing to give part of it to Syria as part of a peace agreement. Again territorial expansion by force. |> Israel has already annexed areas taken over in the 1967 war. |>These areas are not occupied, but disputed, since there is no |>legitamate governing body. Citizenship was given to those residents |>in annexed areas who wanted citizenship. The UN defines them as occupied. They are recognised as such by every nation on earth (excluding one small caribean island). |> Israel should keep control of parts of the West Bank, IMHO. |>The parts that should be kept are the westernmost mountain ridge, |>which contain few arab towns, and many suburbs, as well as overlooking |>the city of Tel Aviv. The Eastern mountain ridge should be |>abandonded. This is where most of the arabs live and it is less |>militarily relevant. Israel should also maintain a presence in the |>Jordan valley. So the Adam thinks that peace is possible with continued occupation and a continued military presence? That is a completely unsustainable situation because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation. |>>If so (for those of you who support it), why were so |>>many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary, |>>let's hear it. |> |> There are a number of reasons for people to move (they were |>not moved, but chose to move) into disputed areas. Note that since |>these moves were made by free willed human beings, not ""settlers,"" I |>will address two aspects of your question, why the government would |>allow &/or encourage them to move, and second why they did move. They were moved in as part of a deliberate policy to prevent the return of the occupied territories. Machiavelli described the reasoning in the Prince. The clear intention was to create a constituency which the Likud beleived could not be deprived of the land stolen from the indigenous population. The pretexts under which the settlers aquired land was through the redefinition of much land used in common as ""public land"". The assertion that the village common on which the village depends for food belongs to an invader simply because no individual has title is clearly an excuse. When the land is used to build a condominium for aliens brought in to occupy the land for a foreign power there is a clear breach of the Geneva convention which stipulates that land use in occupied territories must not be changed. No amount of self justifying on the part of Likud and hard linner appologists will change the fact that the majority of world governments, and all of those that actually have any power have condemned this practice. |> The government had a number of reasons for encouraging people |>to move across the green line. They included security and politics. |> |> The first reason was security. A large Jewish presense makes |>it difficult for terrorists to infiltrate. A Jewish settlements also |>act as fortresses in times of war. Theyu also are a liability. We are talking about civilian encampments that would last no more than hours against tanks, |> A second reason was political. Creating ""settlements"" brought |>the arabs to the negotiation table. Had the creation of new towns and |>cities gone on another several years, there would be no place left in |>Israel where there was an arab majority. There would have been no |>land left that could be called arab. Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. If the creation of settlements had gone on any longer the USA would have cut the money supply. |> The fact that there are a hundered thousands Jews in place |>changes the face of any peace settlement, and restricts what land can |>be given away. Not at all. They can chose to live in an arab state or return to Israel. |> Some of the communites created were religious. They built |>their neighborhoods in areas where there were jews until the riots of |>the 30's and 40's. There are communities like this in Hebron, Gaza, |>and all over. There are also communities built near religious sites. The existence of a comunity does not give the right for another country to annexe territory, not in Bosnia, not in the West Bank. |> The point is, there are many reasons people moved over the |>green line, and many reasons the government wanted them to. Whatever |>status is negotiated for disputed territories, it will not be an ""all |>or nothing"" deal. New boundaries will be drawn up by negotiation, not |>be the results of a war. Unless the new boundaries drawn up are those of 48 there will be no peace. Araffat has precious little authority to agree to anything else. The real issue is not the land treaty but the trade treaty. Since the Palestinians will remain heavily dependent on Israel indefinitely it is this that will be the guarantor of peace. another factor will be the return of lands confiscated by the Israeli state within Israel and the dismantling of the shadow structures which allow discrimination against non-Jews within what is nominaly a secular state. The irony is that in return for a guarantee that the palestinian state has a non descrimination law in order to protect the remaining settlers the Israeli state is going to be forced inot the same position. This will mean outlawing of discrimination such as that which prevents arabs from buying or using much of the land. Phill Hallam-Baker " 4683,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 11 In article <1qlg02$iu6@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes: >Have you driven a TURBO converted >MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary >would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it? no, but somebody's dropped a ford 302 V-8 into the miata, somewhat reminiscent of the shelby cobra. the car's obviously not as nimble as before, but it's supposed to have a near 50/50 weight distribution and handle very well. i'd sure love to drive one. -teddy " 4684,6,"Subject: WIN/DOS Misc. Software From: michael.leonard@exchange.wyvern.com (Michael Leonard) Distribution: world Organization: EXCHANGE BBS *21 Nodes* Tidewaters ""Window to the World"" 14.4bis (804)552-1010 Lines: 75 Help me make money for a new modem $180.00 takes it ALL ***** SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED IN PRICE ***** * All original documentation & disks are include. Some software unregistered, others will have letter for transfer of ownership. * Will sell software seperately, purchase must be greater than $30.00. * Purchases over $60.00 get choice of two (2) software selections with ""*"" footnote W - Windows 3.x version D - DOS version R - Registered (letter of transfer) U - Unregistered * - Special offer MS Windows 3.0 MS Windows 3.0 Resource Kit (bound ed.). . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 WR Norton Desktop for Windows 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WR MS Excel 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 70.00 WR Gateway 2000 version (all docs & disks MS) This is the real thing, it only shipped with my computer!! 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Thanks! --- þ VbReader V1.4 þ*** BUSH Presidency ABORTED - RECOVERY Hopeful!!! *** " 4685,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 20 In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel writes: >What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum?It is the home of the muslim a >s well as jewish religion, among others.Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza >k Shamir did forty orfifty yearsago which is terrorize westerners much in the > way Abdul Nidal does today.Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref >ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. If ""ownership"" were rightly based on ""worthiness"" there wouldn't be any owners. What is your point? As I understand it, Israel's ""claim"" on Jerusalem is based on 1) possession, and 2) the absolutely CENTRAL (not second, not third) role it plays in jewish identity. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student [tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu] Department of Politics and Society ""We have met the tel:(714)8565361/Fax:(714)8568441 " 4686,14,"From: dgempey@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David Gordon Empey) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu In <1993Apr23.165459.3323@coe.montana.edu> uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) writes: >In sci.astro, dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: >[ a nearly perfect parody -- needed more random CAPS] >Thanks for the chuckle. (I loved the bit about relevance to people starving >in Somalia!) >To those who've taken this seriously, READ THE NAME! (aloud) Well, I thought it must have been a joke, but I don't get the joke in the name. Read it aloud? David MACaloon. David MacALLoon. David macalOON. I don't geddit. -Dave Empey (speaking for himself) >-- >Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Enjoy the buffet! " 4687,18,"Subject: Re: New Funding Plan for the Military From: medkeffjs@hirama.hiram.edu (Jeff Medkeff) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu Lines: 20 In article , drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes (about the armed services): > > ps: Maybe even privatize the organization, or consider > 'out sourcing' various aspects of the DOD as a part of > the current 'Down Sizing' - Who Knows, Maybe if we > Finally Allowed to ""Free Market"" to take control, we will > no longer have a military run by the same folks who are > running the post office..... > > pps: slow down, and think before you flame, Rhetoric is an ArtForm. Well, uh, actually I agree. -- Jeffrey S. Medkeff Bitnet- medkeffjs@hiramb PO Box 1098 Internet- medkeffjs@hiramb.hiram.edu Hiram, OH 44234 Pale Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight. But U.S.A. Roaring Bill (who killed him) thought it right. " 4688,3,"From: winfrvk@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (R.v.Kampen) Subject: Re: Original IBM PC specs Organization: Delft University of Technology Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr9.101944.3200@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> hoffmamc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes: >A hard drive with XT-type controller can be added, but I recommend not trying a >full -height 5 1/4"" hard drive, as I have run into trouble with the 63.5w >supply not having the oomph to spool up those big heavy platters. > one way to get the system going with one floppy drive and one hard disk on a 63 watt power supply is to first disconnect the power from the floppy drive than turn on the pc, you will notice the hard drive having a real difficult time getting up to speed, but it manages. when booting is finished, plug in your floppy drive, now it will work. (ok I know this is not very user friendly, maybe you are better off buying a 486-66 with 300 watt power supply or something like that) willem " 4689,11,"From: jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com (Jim Dailey) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any Nntp-Posting-Host: tidss2.asic.sc.ti.com Reply-To: jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com Organization: Design Automaton Div., Texas Instruments, Inc. Lines: 36 >amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >> Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >>kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor >>will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt >>in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. There was an interesting column on the editorial page of the Dallas Morning News on Saturday by Walter Williams, who I believe is a professor at Georgetown (I wonder if he knows of Dorothy ""you're not in Kansas anymore"" Denning). The article was titled ""Government slowly eroding our liberties"", and in it he tells a story attributed to the late Leonard Read who explained that if you wanted to take liberty away from Americans, you had to know how to cook a frog. Mr. Read said you can't cook a frog by boiling a pot of water and then throwing the frog in. His reflexes are so quick that as soon as his feet touch the water, he will leap away. You must put the frog in a pot of cold water and heat it up bit by bit. By the time the frog realizes he's being cooked, it is too late. It is the same with Americans. If anyone tried to take our freedoms all at once, we would naturally rebel and suppress the tyrant. But as with successful frog cooking, our liberties can be taken a little bit at a time. The last line of the article says, ""It's not too late for us, but the water is getting pretty warm."" I'd have toagree that it's warm and the Clipper is keeping the temperature on an upward course. NOTE: followups redirected to alt.privacy.clipper --- Jim jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com TI pays absolutely no attention to me or my opinions; therefore, the foregoing information cannot possibly represent TI's viewpoint. " 4690,5,"From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) Subject: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ Reply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det. Lines: 52 I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function drawed a line as below fingure: width = 300 ================================ | | | | | p1 | | \ | | \ | height = 300 | \ | | \ | | \ | | \ | | \ | | \|p3 | | |===============================| \ \ p2 I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. x3 = 300; @ = art tan (( 800 - 100)/(500 - 270)) = 71.81 degrees; y3 = 100 + x3/tan(@) = 100 + 300/tan(71.81) = 198.58 ~= (integer) 199. How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not? Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't wan to. Thanks in advance! -- Raymond H. Chui NSWC N62 10901 New Hampshire Ave. Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000 U.S.A. Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45 FAX:1(301)394-4483 EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil _ __ _ , __ ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) / /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_ / ' " 4691,3,"Subject: help with internet!!! From: dfmorgan@acs.harding.edu Reply-To: dfmorgan@acs.harding.edu Organization: Harding University Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu Lines: 10 I know this isn't the EXACT right place to put this, but im desperate! I'll be going home for the summer, and wont have direct access to my VAX account....My problem is, i need a service that doesn't charge body parts, vital organs, or my first born son, that allows me access to the internet! All i really need is to be able to TELNET to my school account, and from there I can do anything I need to do. ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!! Please! E-MAIL to DFMORGAN@acs.harding.edu " 4692,16,"From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Lines: 117 In article , PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > >>In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >>> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. >> >> The vast majority get through life without ever having to >> own, use or display a firearm. > > You might have missed the U.S. News & World Report excerpt > I posted. It is fairly consistant with other such polls, finding > that approximately 40-50% of households have at least one firearm. > How this translates into individual ownership is questionable, but I > think it's fairly safe to say that you're wrong about the ""vast majority."" OK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still claim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even threaten anyone with them. What do they do right ... or are they just lucky ? In either case, this means the 'average threat level' in this country is rather low. >> Besides, there are other >> means of self-protection which can be just as effective >> as firearms. > > Please name them. The key phrase is ""can be."" Theories are > nice, but practicality is more important. A taser (to chose an > exmpale outlawed virtually everywhere) ""can"" be as effective as a gun, > under optimal conditions when dealing with your absolute average > [...] I think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these alternative means of self-protection involved any hardware. Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". In short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative. Replace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a block party. >>> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >>> scientific scrutiny. >> >> New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public >> or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that >> inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold >> cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. > > In a very real sense *everything* the government does is based > on public approval, if for no other reason than at any particular time > there aren't ""public servants"" commonly adorning trees. > > But legality and legitimacy also matter. If a government's charter > makes a rule, which the government then violates, it is violated the > basis for its existance. Enforcement of its will becomes a matter > solely of force of arms. Oliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many all-American 'conservative' quarters. He and Big Ron set-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely illegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing twenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all the time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really cares anymore. 'Legitimacy' is a non-issue. Legality is a non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who gives a rats ass ? >>> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. >> >> They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue >> is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. > > Excuse me, sir, but *you* were the one suggesting that arguments > for RKBA would not stand up to scientific scrutiny. No. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical aspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue. >> Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive >> by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every >> time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, >> every time some moron kills his wife because she took the >> last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' >> in the night .... the RKBA dies. > > Emotion is hard to argue against. But it must be done anyway if > emotion is wrong. Argue away ... you can't win. >> The stats are not all *that* >> clearly behind firearms - > > And just yesterday you claimed they weren't behind them at > all. > >> the protection factor does not >> strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. > > Operating under the assumption that the same conditions absolutely > govern both of them. That the expansion of one automatically necessitates > the contraction of the other. Firearms-related mindless mayhem will be related to the availibility of firearms. If they become scarce and and expensive, a different psychology will take hold. I *think* they would be used far less to settle trivial complaints. " 4693,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Israel does not kill reporters. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Anas Omran has claimed that, ""the Israelis used to arrest, and sometime to kill some of these neutral reporters."" The assertion by Anas Omran is, of course, a total fabrication. If there is an once of truth iin it, I'm sure Anas Omran can document such a sad and despicable event. Otherwise we may assume that it is another piece of anti-Israel bullshit posted by someone whose family does not know how to teach their children to tell the truth. If Omran would care to retract this 'error' I would be glad to retract the accusation that he is a liar. If he can document such a claim, I would again be glad to apologize for calling him a liar. Failing to do either of these would certainly show what a liar he is. " 4694,6,"Subject: Contax camera system for sale From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) Distribution: usa Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu Lines: 24 This is posted for a friend who doesn't have net access...you can send replies to me, but I'll be out of my office all next week, so don't expect a response until at least 4/27! For sale: Contax camera system Includes: Contax 139 quartz SLR body 50mm f1.7 Zeiss (!) Planna Lens 135mm f2.8 Yashica Lens Medium-sized hard case All items are in exceptional condition. Asking price: $175 for all items listed above. The seller is attempting to sell the lot as a set, but you can negotiate that with him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dick Joltes joltes@husc.harvard.edu Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services joltes@husc.bitnet Harvard University Science Center ""Any woman that you become extremely attracted to will immediately tell you that you're the best friend a woman could ever have."" -- David Crist " 4695,12,"From: dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) Subject: voltage regulator spec needed !!!!! Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA Lines: 13 Hi there, I have a mac 512 with a burned out part which looks like a voltage regulator. The part number is BU 406 and I believe the vender is SGS thomas judging by teh SGS logo printed on the package. If anyone has teh spec for this part I would greatly appreciate an email with the import info so I can find a replacement. Thanx in advance. -Dave dnewman@lynx.northeastern.edu BTW I don't need people telling me to throw the computer away. If I had the money the thing would be in the trash in a second, but it does make a good terminal if nothing else. " 4696,13,"From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan) Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial Nntp-Posting-Host: pcdehp Organization: Calvin College Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <1qk708INNa12@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes: >You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a >Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an >ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply >it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth. I have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called Septra DS. He said it may cause GI problems and I have a sensitive stomach to begin with. Anybody ever taken this antibiotic. Any good? Suggestions for avoiding an upset stomach? Other tips? Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes. That is my 1974 Honda CL360. ============================================================================= ""That's the nature of being an executive in America. You have to rely on other people to do something you used to do yourself."" -- Donald Fehr, executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association. ============================================================================= " 4697,14,"Subject: Life on Mars??? From: schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer) Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN Nntp-Posting-Host: pa881a Nntp-Posting-User: schiewer Lines: 9 What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the ""face"" and heard associated theories. (which sound thin to me) Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? Does anyone buy all the life theories? -- Don Schiewer | Internet schiewer@pa881a.inland.com | Onward Great Inland Steel | UUCP: !uucp!pa881a.inland!schiewer | Stream... " 4698,8,"From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Originator: kevinh@nath Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Hasler AG Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? |> >> |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. |> > |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. |> |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would on the likes of A.M., |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not the name. kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch " 4699,16,"From: dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: VTT Lines: 55 In article viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >>You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of >>mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a >>neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve >>gas on his/her property. > That really depends upon where you draw the line while defining >these weapons, This means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough. Good. >and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of >modern practice five months or five centuries down the road. I would hope so. Let's define a nuclear weapon as an explosive weapon whose majority of energy comes from fission and/or fusion of atomic nuclei. Let's define a biological weapon as live organisms or viruses in such state, quantity, and with such a vector that they could cause death or serious disease [further defined] to a significant number of people if released in a city, similarly populated area, resevoir, or cropland. Nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined. Other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry. Licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals. I am not a lawyer, but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions. >I'll give >you a little hint: see that manure pile in the farmer's field down the >road? In the USA, that is a weapon of mass destruction, Nope. It is not considered a weapon. >biological in >nature, because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate >the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water. So, >where do *you* draw the line? In the USA, the EPA has ruled that >a pile of scrap iron is illegal. Care to draw a thinner line this time? It is not defined as a weapon of mass destruction. Many things are banned for other reasons. >< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > >< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > -- doug foxvog douglas.foxvog@vtt.fi " 4700,17,"From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 12 Would it be asking too much for you to DOCUMENT these allegations of ""Israel used to arrest and kill neutral reporters""? I think you confuse Israel with other nations of that geographical region to which the notion of a free, unmonitored by the government, press corps would be a joke. As for the notion that Israel threatens the human rights of Palestinians by sealing off the Gaza strip, get real. When the Palestinian-on-Palestinian civil war stops and all Palestinians can behave like mature human beings, Israel will talk concessions on both sides for peace. Not before. " 4701,2,"From: duncans@hotlips.Princeton.EDU (Duncan Smith) Subject: Question about LocalTalk/AppleShare on MS-DOS system Summary: How do I make AppleShare PC run properly under Windows or OS/2? Originator: news@nimaster Keywords: Windows, OS/2, AppleShare PC, LocalTalk Nntp-Posting-Host: hotlips.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 13 Is anyone out there running a MS-DOS system with a LocalTalk board? I am on an Appletalk network, hooked up with a DayStar Digital LT200 MC LocalTalk Interface Board, running on a PS/2 Model 70. I'm using the AppleShare PC software for file server and network access. It works fine under DOS or the Window or OS/2 DOS box. But when I try to load it *before* Windows, so that every application I run could get access to it, the machine crashes hard as soon as I start up an application. And of course, things look pretty hopeless for OS/2 (but who knows). So, does anyone have experience with this bizarre and obsolete setup? - Duncan - duncans@phoenix.Princeton.EDU " 4702,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: SCSI on dos Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Keywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 21 In article <1993apr19.072253.14522@dde.dk> ibh@dde.dk (Ib Hojme) writes: > I have a question concerning SCSI on DOS. > > I have a ST01 SCSI controller and two hard-disks conected > (id's 0 and 1). I'd like to connect a SCSI streamer, but I > don't have software to access it. Does such a beast exist > as shareware or PD ? > Also what if I want a third disk ? I know that DOs only can > ""see"" two two physical and four logical disks. Will it be > possible to use extra disks ? Contrary to what others might have thought, I actually did have a SCSI drive once. It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller. I found that the controller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do with the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k/sec. I have had that drive/controller coexist with MFM, RLL, and IDE drives because the ST-02 bios will kinda muscle itself in there with no help needed from the computer's bios. Dos will see many logical drives, much more than 4 (I've had up to 10). I've often wondered how many SCSI drives you could hang off a ST-01/02. " 4703,6,"From: tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (Tim Marshall) Subject: VAX PRICING Distribution: world Organization: Goucher College, Towson, MD Reply-To: tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (Tim Marshall) Lines: 25 Hello All, Goucher College will soon be retiring a MicroVax II, world case, 2 70MB Hard Drives, 16 port I/O, 2 MB (maybe 4MB) system memory. Any idea as to how much we can expect to get for this machine on the open market?? Please reply privately to: tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org Thanks in advance..... *//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////* * * * Tim Marshall - Associate Director, Academic Computing * * Goucher College, Baltimore, MD. All opinions are mine alone. * * Documentation - A manual which tells you how to use a program, * * system, or utility one version ago, and which is now unsupported.* * * *//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////* " 4704,4,"From: ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) Subject: Re: Ghost on Apple 12"" Color -> user=insane!! Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts) writes: >Dear Netters, > >My sister has an Apple 12"" Color Display hooked up to an LC. > >Problem: There is an annoying, horizontal, ghost-like stripe that >precesses vertically about once per second. It is about 1 cm high. >She is in grave danger of going insane because of it. > >Any ideas of what it might be and how I might cure it for her? > >-Joe Betts >betts@netcom.com > >PS: if I pick up the display (I thought it might be RFI from the LC) it >seems to get worse! > This can be caused by two one of two things. The first and easiest to fix is interference from something around the monitor, such as another monitor or other electrical device. Try moving the system to another location to fix that problem. Second, because of the scan rate of the monitor, it tends to synchronize with room lights and can cause the interference you are seeing. Try turning off all lights in the room(s) around the system and see if that helps. If not, try moving the system somewhere else. A third solution would be to get a 14"" Apple Color Display - It should not have the same problem the 12"" Color is more suceptible to. You can try calling Apple's new support number (in the U.S.) at 1-800-SOS-APPLE. This number is for ANYONE who has questions regarding Macintosh setup and compatibility and just went into effect for this extended support on Monday, April 5, 1993. Good luck - **** Kevin Lohman, Buyer, University Book Store University of Washington, Seattle Apple Computers for Education Program " 4705,3,"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card? Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 35 In article blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) writes: > >Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an >Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look >like? The one I got only does about 4kb/s in text and 320x200 (VGA/MCGA) mode, which is almost identical to the other W5186 based cards (ATI 68800 does about 6kb/s). This is weird since the Orchid supposedly should be much faster (and I was told by someone that it can do almost 16 kb/s), since the VGA chip is covered by the Orchid label, I can't really tell for sure if it uses a 5286 chip, but the spec. sheet that comes with the board (no docs!) did say it has 1 meg dram and uses a 5286 chip. Winmarks (3.11) is about 4 mil. slower than a Viper (34 vs ~38) using standard palette. BTW if anyone is insterested, I'm trying to sell a Diamond Viper (2 megs vram) for a friend for $300, email if interested (I'm too broke to take it myself). >Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed? I think it's available in limited quantites. No idea of what VGA chip it uses though. Be very careful with OEM P9000 boards though, the Orchid I got for example only has a readme file on disk that serve as documentation, and conflicts the hell with my VLB controller card (or maybe it's my motherboard, an A.I.R. 486 VLB) +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii *Using a friend's account while waiting for my new grad. account* + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + " 4706,10,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: New Div. 1 NCAA teams Lines: 9 It was great to hear that UMass is bringing back hockey! It reminded me that a couple of years ago there was talk that both Bimidgi (sp?) and Mankato State trying to upgrade their programs to Div. 1 status. I also seem to remember that they had some trouble with new NCAA rule about just who was allowed to compete at the Div. 1 level. Was that ever resolved? Also, I was just wondering if there is ANY college hockey east of Colorado (Alaska excepted). With the new popularity of hockey on the west coast, I would expect there to be some interest building at the collegiate levels too. Anyone heard anything? James Old, e-mail JOLD@vma.cc.nd.edu " 4707,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 150493174345@17.127.11.85, jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) writes: > >I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have >something done? How? Who? Where? A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime. That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not the only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who witnesses a crime can do so. Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a description of the car and the license number, and tell them the specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute (ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy). Fill out the ticket and sign it. It will go through the same system any ticket a cop writes goes through. If contested, you will have to appear in court to prosecute. Your word will not carry the same weight as a cop's. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 4708,12,"From: webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 52 Aaron Lung (alung@megatest.com) wrote: : >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east : > or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components : > they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the : > amplifiers sound so brilliant. : Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components : they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was : properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it : shouldn't matter where it is assembled. Definately, I agree wholeheartedly. If they can build the amp where the labour is not so expensive, they can afford to put decent components in and go to more effort to improve the design of the amplifier - as Adcom has done. : >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with : > those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly : > hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good. : An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound. : The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day. : Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though : the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive : heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component : regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is : because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted : to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm.... Sure, I didn't mean to imply that because of the heat generated, the amp sounds good. My Adcom GFP 535II runs fairly warm - not hot to the touch - but enough to satisfy me that the amp is running nicely. I don't like it when an amp runs dead-cold. It makes one think that the amp is doing nothing :) The heatsinks that Adcom uses in their amps are certainly far for skimpy - they're massive things with heating vents both below and above. More than enough to carry away excessive heat. My opinions once again. -- *********************************************************************** ** Alan Webber ** ** webb@itu1.sun.ac.za ** ** webb@itu2.sun.ac.za ** ** ** ** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high ** ** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by ** ** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine ** ** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme ** *********************************************************************** " 4709,17,"From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 27 In article bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski) writes: >>>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said: > >>> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >>> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >>> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. > ^^^ >The Syrians? Iranian agents? Or just Israeli invaders? >-- >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ --------------- >Gary Bradski I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu | reverberate | >Cognitive and Neural Systems --------------- >Boston University. | V V >111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215 ^ Y >617/ 353-6426 ^ ^ | > -------------- > I don't even agree with some of my opinions | or die! | >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -------------- > I did say *any* invader, didn't I? What do you want from me, perhaps a neural net design with all countries involved in Lebanon as its nodes? :-) (You are in Cognitive and Neural Systems) If that's the case, I would put different weights for each country in my net. " 4710,9,"From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: na Lines: 25 In klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) said: >>> >>>I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. >> >> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we're comparing Alomar the individual with >> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count. >> >>>Give me a break! >I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don't >count for anything. >My mistake. Oh, oh, we all know what's going to happen now don't we! Gord Niguma (fav player: John Olerud) " 4711,13,"From: jimj@contractor.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Jones) Subject: Post-fever rashes: I get 'em every time Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 18 Distribution: world Reply-To: jimj@contractor.EBay.Sun.COM (Jim Jones) NNTP-Posting-Host: contractor.ebay.sun.com The subject-line says it: every time I run a fever, I get an amazing rosy rash over my torso and arms. Fortunately, it doesn't itch. The rash always comes on the day after the fever breaks and no matter what the illness was: cold, flu, whatever. It started happening about four years ago after I moved to my current town, although I don't know if that has anything to do with anything. Severity and persistance of the rash seems to vary with the fever: a severe or long-lasting fever brings a long-lasting rash. A mild fever seems to bring rashes that go away faster. Anybody know what might be causing this? It's no more than an embarassment, but I'd be curious to know what's going on. Am I carrying some kind of fever-resistant bug that goes wild when fever knocks out its competition? Jim Jones " 4712,1,"From: phew@gu.uwa.edu.au (Patrick Hew) Subject: Re: Color pict of spinning Earth Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au ESTOP07@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*ACS) writes: >Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this > I was crusing the net earlier this year and came upon something called >Color pict of spinning earth. I am assuming it is a animation sequence of the >earth's rotation (or revolution I always get those mixed up). At the time I >found it my sysem would not even support color graphics so I didn't bother to >get the pict. Now I have a fairly nice system and cant find the pict again! >If anyone can help please post here or E-mail me >Thanks in advance >Eric (Estop07@conrad.appstate.edu) Likewise for me please. First time I've hear of it, but I've beem looking for something like this for the past few months. Patrick Hew 2nd Year Science/ Engineering University of Western Australia phew@tartarus.uwa.edu.au phew@mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au " 4713,13,"From: kilty@ucrengr (kathleen richards) Subject: Re: Lyme vaccine Reply-To: karicha@eis.calstate.edu Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ucrengr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeff, If you have time to type it in I'd love to have the reference for that paper! thanks! -- kathleen richards email: karicha@eis.calstate.edu ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits " 4714,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Science News article on Federal R&D Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article , xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes: > Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article > on Federal R&D funding. > > Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current > competitive advantage from things like military and other work that > does not have as much commercial utility. > -- > Chuck Divine Gulp. [Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy, or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.] -- O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! / \ (_) (_) / | \ | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS " 4715,12,"From: rooi@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl (Mark de Rooi) Subject: Calculating a transformer - help needed Originator: rooi@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: duteca3.et.tudelft.nl Reply-To: rooi@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl (Mark de Rooi) Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 18 I want to convert a 500 Volt sinewave with frequency between 1 kHz and 10 kHz, to a 10 Volt sinewave with the same frequency, by means of a transformer. The secondary current will be .6 A (600 mA). What kind of transformer should I use (ferrite?) Can I buy one? If so, I need a partnumber and supplier If I cannot buy one, how do I go about winding one myself? What core do I use, how big must it be in order not to saturate, what thickness copper wire, how many turns, etc.? I know little about analog electronics, so I hope some kind soul here will help me out. Pointers to relevant databooks will also be highly appreciated. Thanks, Mark de Rooi rooi@tpd.tno.nl " 4716,6,"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: OS/2 etc. for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 20 These packages all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * OS/2 2.0, can run Windows, DOS, and OS/2 programs, superior stability compared to Windows, list $169, sale $60. * NORTON COMMANDER FOR OS/2, provides better file management than OS/2 does alone, graphical tree and file list, drag and drop, launch apps from customizable menu, list $149, sale $60. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us " 4717,10,"From: ""William K. Willis"" Subject: LET'S GO BUFFALO! Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu You know, I never really appreciated them before! " 4718,5,"From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Reply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 40 In article , bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: |> |> try this after XCreateWindow: |> ----------------------------- |> |> #include |> |> Display display; |> Window window; |> |> { |> XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints (); |> xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */ |> xsizehints->x = 42; |> xsizehints->y = 42; |> xsizehints->width = 100; |> xsizehints->height = 100; |> XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints); |> XFree (xsizehints); |> } |> |> These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window |> are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these |> values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window |> manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user. |> I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer if |> you specify the position and size like above. You are right but PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. It makes my brain hurt. USPosition and USSize should ONLY be set if the USER specified the position and size. You say: ""Tom, don't blow a gasket, what's the harm?"" Some window managers do very different things (besides positioning the window) when they see USPosition rather than PPosition. -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM " 4719,13,From: RICK@ysub.ysu.edu (Rick Marsico) Subject: Proventil Inhaler Organization: Youngstown State University Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ysub.ysu.edu Does the Proventil inhaler for asthma relief fall into the steroid or nonsteroid category? Looking at the product literature it's not clear. rick@ysu.edu 4720,5,From: mknewman@blkbox.COM (Marc Kraker Newman) Subject: Unsubscribe pancamo@blkbox.comm Organization: The Internet Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Please unsubscribe pancamo@blkbox.com. This user has become inactive and I wish to discontinue his participation in this mailing list. Marc Newman mknewman@lkbox.com 4721,18,"From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group) Lines: 14 <1993Apr15.170239.8211@hemlock.cray.com> <1qn73aINNmq9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: physics16.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: jfc@athena.mit.edu's message of 16 Apr 1993 21:05:46 GMT In article <1qn73aINNmq9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: > I recommend the book ""Adams _v_ Texas"", the story of a man (Adams) who > was sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit. Most of the book > is the story of the long appeals process, and the problems and delays > caused by not being able to introduce new evidence in certain courts. And I recommend the movie _The Thin Blue Line_, which is about the same case. Not as much legal detail, but still an excellent film. It shows how very easy it is to come up with seemingly conclusive evidence against someone whom you think is guilty. -- Matthew Austern Maybe we can eventually make language a matt@physics.berkeley.edu complete impediment to understanding. " 4722,7,"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 39 jlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long) writes: >In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com> tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com >(Tommy Szeto) writes: >> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every >> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water >> under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually >happens >> after a good thunder storm. A few Qs: >> >> 1) Is this a common problem? >> 2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch? >I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back. I >think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the >spare. Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage above >the level of the spare area. >This has taken a low priority since I just found out (while rotating my tires) >that I have a torn CV boot - ugh!! I've got an 89 GT. It has the smoked taillight assembly. I think this is where the water is getting in. When I first got it (had it for a month), one of the rear taillights fogged up with moisture. I took it in to the dealer and they replaced the entire assembly. It happened to the other one about 3 months later. This time I happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there. The dealer was more reluctant this time to replace it. But I convinced them to fix it. (They must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same problem.) I haven't noticed water in the taillamps (or the trunk) for the last 2.5 years, but just last month, the taillamp just fogged up again. I'm going to try to take it back to get them to fix it again. I'm real tempted to drill some vent and drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it. This is getting very annoying. (Almost every other `89 GT I've seen has had this problem.) Vel -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Vel Natarajan nataraja@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4723,3,"From: charles@gremlin.muug.mb.ca (Charles) Subject: Multiport COM boards--info needed Organization: The Haunted Unix Box Lines: 10 What 4 or more com port boards are available for PCs? We want standard com ports, so no need to mention the expensive coprocessed ones. They should either be able to share IRQs or be able to use IRQs 8-15. Thanks for any info... " 4724,8,"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: A Miracle in California Article-I.D.: megatek.1993Apr5.223941.11539 Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 15 In article <1ppvof$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes: |Bikers wave to bikers the world over. Whether or not Harley riders |wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars... I am happy to say that some Harley riders in our area are better than most that are flamed about here: I (riding a lowly sport bike, no less) and my girlfriend were the recipient of no less than twenty waves from a group of at least twenty-five Harley riders. I was leading a group of about four sport bikes at the time (FJ1200/CBR900RR/VFR750). I initiated *some* of the waves, but not all. It was a perfect day, and friendly riders despite some brand differences made it all the better... Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 " 4725,1,"From: af774@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chad Cipiti) Subject: Good shareware paint and/or animation software for SGI? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 15 Reply-To: af774@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chad Cipiti) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Does anyone know of any good shareware animation or paint software for an SGI machine? I've exhausted everyplace on the net I can find and still don't hava a nice piece of software. Thanks alot! Chad -- Knock, knock. Chad Cipiti Who's there? af774@cleveland.freenet.edu cipiti@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu It might be Heisenberg. chad@voxel.zool.ohiou.edu " 4726,9,"From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu Amazingly, pitchers, no matter how good their mechanics, are not machines. Cy Young winners don't pitch in a vaccuum, unaware of how their offenses are doing. The Braves' pitching staff is already showing signs of cracking under the strain of knowing they're not going to get many (if any) runs. Unfortunately, the Braves' pitchers were so bad for so long that the organization put so much stress (and I mean *stress*) on pitching that they completely ignored hitting. The Braves right now are looking woefully similar to the Braves of the mid-seventies. Heaven help us. -- @econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke. s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u " 4727,13,"From: candee@brtph5.bnr.ca (Candee Ellis P885) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC Lines: 8 If you think you have kidney stones or your doctor tells you that you do, DEFINITELY follow up on it. My sister was diagnosed with kidney stones 1 1/2 years ago and given medication to take to dissolve them. After that failed and she continued to be in great pain, they decided she had endometriosis. When they did exploratory surgery, they discovered she had a tumor, which turned out to be rhabdomyosarcoma -- a very rare and agressive cancer. I realize this is not what happens in the majority of cases, but you never know what can happen and shouldn't take chances! " 4728,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: CA's pedophilia laws Article-I.D.: optilink.15216 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 91 In article <1993Apr3.201408.4999@hobbes.kzoo.edu>, k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes: > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # #Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom. # #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # #or beliefs of the other person. # # Allow me to point out that Clayton is once again unfairly lumping an # entire class of people, as if they all have one will. Having completely # dived into the abyss of believing that there are no queers in the world # who think differently from the child-molestation-advocating minority on # soc.motss, he doesn't even notice that he's starting a sentence with # ""They believe"" when the referent of that ""they"" is millions of people. # ""...so few as to be irrelevant..."" If you don't want to be lumped together as a group, stop insisting on being treated as a member of a group. # dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes: # # Force people to hire? No. Require people to give them a fair # # look? Yes. # # cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # #You give them a fair look. You decide that you don't want to hire # #the guy wearing the NAMBLA T-shirt. He files a lawsuit. You lose. # #Yes, such laws force you to hire homosexuals. # # Pedophiles, as well? Sexual orientation is not defined by the anti-discrimination law that was passed last year. Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation? # And, Cramer, let me describe how you'd have it, and see if this is # accurate. I apply for a job at a computer company. They see I'm # wearing some article of homosexual adornment, I dunno, maybe a # ""Silence = Death"" pin or something. They turn me down because of # that. I can't do a darned thing and have to go look somewhere else. # Am I correct in assuming that you wholeheartedly approve of the # company's actions, or at least that you wholeheartedly support their # right to take that action? I wholeheartedly support their right to take this action. I wouldn't do it myself, unless it was something like the NAMBLA T-shirt. # How about: a black man applies for a job at a bank. The bank decides, # based on statistics, a black person would be more likely to steal # money, and denies the man the job. Would you support the bank's right # to this freedom? If not, explain how this differs. I support their right to do so (just like I support your right to engage in sodomy with consenting adults), but I think they are doing something wrong. I wouldn't do business with such a bank. # Clayton has repeatedly said that California's statutes classify # pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and that discriminating on the # basis of sexual orientation is illegal. # # If true, I'm frankly amazed. But I don't trust Clayton to give me # the whole story. Would someone clarify for me whether this is true, # what sort of discrimination Clayton's talking about (jobs? housing? # hate crimes?), and whether the effect of the law is really that # a daycare has to hire an admitted pedophile. # -- # Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy Here's the law that was passed and signed by the governor: The people of the State of California do enact as follows: 1 SECTION 1. The purpose of this act is to codify 2 existing case law as determined in Gay Law Students v. 3 Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458 (1979) 4 and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654 5 (1991) prohibiting discrimination based on sexual 6 orientation. 7 SEC. 2. Section 1102. is added to the Labor Code, to 8 read: 9 1102.1. (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit 10 discrimination or disparate treatment in any of the terms 11 and conditions of employment based on actual or 12 perceived sexual orientation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 13 (b) This section shall not apply to a religious 14 association or corporation not organized for private 15 profit, whether incorporated as a religious or public 16 benefit corporation. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 4729,1,"From: hintmatt@cwis.isu.edu (HINTZE_MATTHEW) Subject: Re: Diamond Stelth 24- any good? Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: cwis.isu.edu I bought the diamond stealth 24 a few months ago. it seems to be a great card especially with my multimedia presentations. It runs graphics and animation as well as some near full motion video very well. The only thing I can tell that it lacks is speed above 256 colors. Its qualit in between 256 and 16.7 million collors un unreal but you definitly compromise speed. It seems to be a great card for graphics and it comes with some great software, but Im not so sure about the excelerator part. I used to own a paridise and it doesnt seem to be much faster than that. One thing I do like is that it loads its own vesa driver from ROM at startup, (I think) because I have never had to load it for links386 or any other programs that require special VESA drivers at startup. gromi a16pd HINTMATT@BA.BA.ISU.EDU -- " 4730,10,"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) Subject: NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-19-93 Organization: AT&T Keywords: Division semis game one Lines: 77 NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4/19/93. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS BEST OF SEVEN PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE NJ BUF (leads 1-0) STL (leads 1-0) WIN PIT (leads 1-0) BOS CHI VAN (leads 1-0) NYI MON TOR LA (leads 1-0) WAS (leads 1-0) QUE (leads 1-0) DET (leads 1-0) CAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toronto Maple Leafs 1 1 1 - 3 Detroit Red Wings (leads series 1-0) 1 4 1 - 6 1st period: DET, Yzerman 1 - (Gallant, Ciccarelli) 4:48 TOR, Cullen 1 - (Clark, Gill) 10:44 2nd period: DET, Sheppard 1 - (Probert, Coffey) (pp) 5:04 DET, Burr 1 - (Racine) (sh) 6;42 DET, Chiasson 1 - (Coffey) (pp) 11:00 DET, Howe 1 - (Yzerman, Drake) 14;46 TOR, Gilmour 1 - (Borschevsky, Ellett) (pp) 19:59 3rd period: DET, Racine 1 - (Primeau, Drake) 5:10 TOR, Lefebvre 1 - (Cullen, Pearson) 7:45 Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 5 Red Wings 2 of 6 Shots on Goal- Maple Leafs 5 9 9 - 23 Red Wings 13 8 12 - 33 Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (0-1) (33 shots - 27 saves) Detroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (1-0) (23 shots - 20 saves) ATT-19,875 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Winnipeg Jets 1 0 1 - 2 Vancouver Canucks (leads series 1-0) 2 0 2 - 4 1st period: VAN, Adams 1 - (Linden, Bure) (pp) 1:23 VAN, Craven 1 - (Bure, Murzyn) 9:56 WIN, Steen 1 - (Shannon, Housley) (pp) 17:53 2nd period: NONE 3rd period: WIN, King 1 - (Barnes) 3:43 VAN, Linden 1 - (Courtnall, McLean) 12:16 VAN, Ronning 1 - (Courtnall) 18:31 Powerplay Opportunities-Jets 1 of 3 Canucks 1 of 6 Shots on Goal- Jets 7 5 10 - 22 Canucks 9 12 12 - 33 Winnipeg Jets--Essensa (0-1) (33 shots - 29 saves) Vancouver Canucks--McLean (1-0) (22 shots - 20 saves) ATT-15,918 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \|||||/ -SPIKE- " 4731,5,"From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Article-I.D.: world.C52nBL.u5 Organization: Sun User Group Lines: 192 Nntp-Posting-Host: bridge.sug.org In article <1993Apr6.081605.12977@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes: >epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes: > >>dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes: >>There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although >>there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force >>libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works >>around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of >>the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads: >> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu >>to: >> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic > >No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS. >It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems. > >Casper I don't know how many hours you've spent on this, but the Sun User Group makes X11R5 available on CD-ROM to its members. The 1992.1 disk has both sources and binaries and it sells for $50. I've tagged a table of contents and an orderform on below if anyone's interested. Alex Newman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Newman (617) 232-0514 voice My life may be stressful, troll@sug.org (617) 232-1347 fax but at least it's not boring Sun User Group * 1330 Beacon St., #315 * Brookline, MA 02146 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUG CD 1992.1 is X11R5 and GNU on a CDROM, priced at $50 to SUG members, including a caddy! SUG's emphasis has always been on supplying the greatest possible service and value-added to our members. Last year, the SUG 1991 disk contained plug-and-play X11R4, 20MB of additional essential binaries, almost 200MB of Sun patches, fully-indexed archives of Sun-related net postings, priced at only $250. Our aim this year has been to reduce the price for disks which can be produced inexpensively, but to continue to supply as much value-added as possible. To accomplish this, we will be putting out a two disk set, the first containing what's ready and needed now, the second available later in '92, containing more SPARC binaries and other useful material not found on previous disks. The SUG 1992.1 disk, which was assembled by Robert A. Bruce, contains a lot of essential source code, and we decided it would be a great service to make it available right away to our members (and this pricing makes this a good opportunity to become a member!) for $50 per disk (including one of those hard-to-find caddies!). If you are not a SUG member, you can become one for an additional $40 if you live within the US or $55 outside. The SUG 1992.1 CDROM is an ISO 9660 disk (which means it can be used by PC, Macintosh, and other workstations as well), and contains a total of 543MB of material, including: X11R5 SOURCES AND CORE BINARIES (for SPARC) as of several weeks after the initial distribution, thus, four fixes and the the MIT contrib-0 distribution are included (109MB of material). Binaries for: X Xsun XsunMono appres atobm auto_box bdftopcf beach_ball bitmap bmtoa constype editres fs fsinfo fslsfonts fstobdf ico imake kbd_mode listres lndir makedepend maze mkdirhier mkfontdir oclock plbpex puzzle resize showfont showrgb startx twm viewres x11perf x11perfcomp xauth xbiff xcalc xclipboard xclock xcmsdb xcmstest xconsole xcutsel xditview xdm xdpr xdpyinfo xedit xev xeyes xfd xfontsel xgas xgc xhost xinit xkill xload xlogo xlsatoms xlsclients xlsfonts xmag xman xmh xmkmf xmodmap xon xpr xprop xrdb xrefresh xset xsetroot xstdcmap xterm xwd xwininfo xwud COPIES OF CONTRIBUTED X SOURCES (from export.lcs.mit.edu/contrib), which were then uncompressed/untarred into source directories (212MB). These are sources only, and some of them were (after the date of production of this disk) included in the MIT contrib-2 and contrib-3 distributions. GNU SOURCES WHICH WERE uncompressed/untarred into source directories (88MB). 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[ ] I do not wish my name to be included in non-Sun User Group mailings. [ ] I do not wish my name to be published in the Sun User Group member directory. [ ] I wish to be added to the Sun User Group electronic mailing-list (members only) OUTSIDE THE U.S. ONLY: Individuals outside of the USA may find using their credit cards easier than purchasing US$ checks as this eliminates bank charges. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sun User Group 1330 Beacon Street, Suite 315 Brookline, MA 02146 Voice: +1 617 232-0514 Fax: +1 617 232-1347 Email: office@sug.org " 4732,13,"From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis) Subject: ""Choleric"" and The Great NT/NF Semantic War. Organization: York University Lines: 64 [Cross-posted from alt.psychology.personality since it talks about physician's personalities. Apologies to sci.med readers not familiar with the Myers-Briggs ""NT/NF"" personality terms. But, in a word or two, the NTs (iNtuitive->Thinkers) are approximately your philosophy/science/tech pragmatic types, and the NFs (iNtuitive-Feelers) are your humanities/social-""science""/theology idealistic types. They hate each others' guts (:-)) but tend to inter-marry. The letter ""J"" is a reference to conscienciousness/decisiveness.] Jon Noring emits typical NF-type stuff > [Physicians] are just responding in their natural way: > Hyper-Choleric Syndrome (HCS). .. > ..it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of > physicians will type out as NT .. > One driving characteristic of an NT, especially an NTJ, is their obvious > choleric behavior (driver, type A, etc.) - the extreme emotional need to > control, to lead, and/or to be the best or the most competent. .. Please get it right, Jon. (This NTJ has a strong desire to correct semantic mistakes, because the NFs of this world are fouling the once-pristine NT intellectual nest with their verbal poop.) The dominant correlation is NT <-> Phlegmatic (and _not_ NT <-> Choleric). One of the semantic roots of ""choleric"" is the idea of ""hot"" (emotional) and one of the semantic roots of ""phlegmatic"" is ""cold"" (unemotional). Here is a thumbnail sketch (taken from Hans Eysenck, refering to Wundt) relating the Ancient Greek quadratic typology with modern terms: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emotional ^ (""Melancholic"") | (""Choleric"") | Thoughtful Suspicious | Quickly-aroused Hotheaded Unhappy Worried | Egocentric Histrionic Anxious | Exhibitonist Serious | Active Unchangeable < ------------------------------------------------> Changeable Calm | Playful Reasonable | Carefree Steadfast Persistent | Hopeful Sociable Highly-principled Controlled | Controlled Easy-going | (""Phlegmatic"") | (""Sanguine"") | v Non-emotional ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I suspect that your characterisation of NTs as ""choleric"" is what you psych-types call a ""projection"" of your own NF-ness onto us. > Maybe we need more NF doctor's. :^) Perhaps in serious pediatics and ""my little boy's got a runny nose, doctor"" general practice, but, please God, not in neurology, opthamology, urology, etc. etc. And NF-psychiatry should seperate from NT-(i.e. real) psychiatry and be given a new name .. something like ""channeling"" :-). -- tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada " 4733,12,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr19.231050.2196@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) writes: > >The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to >operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including >X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States. The Electronic >Communications Privacy Act of 1989(?) restricted the FCA of 1934 >by making it illegal to receive the land-mobile telephone service, >including (I believe) cellular phones. Illegal to receive land-mobile telephone service? Don't you have to have a mobile reciever to even have land-mobile telephone service? What about ship-to-shore telephone service? >No restriction was placed >on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement >of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934. Isin't there some kind of rule (regulation, law, whatever) in some juristictions that prohibit the use of *police band* recievers in vehicles? And that radar transmissions are included in the police band so they get covered by the same regulation? " 4734,3,"From: nigel@cnw01.storesys.coles.oz.au (Nigel Harwood) Subject: Adaptec ASW-410 and Sony CDU-641 Organization: Coles Supermarkets Lines: 24 About two months ago I purchased the Adaptec ASW-410 driver for use with a CD-ROM drive. At the time this seemed the thing to do as the documentation I had with my Adaptec SCSI controller said that this is the driver to be used with CD-ROM drives. Since then I have learn that this driver is out of date in a major way and that Adaptec have an upgrade deal for going to the next driver (I think it's called EZI-SCSI or something). I wasn't too fussed about this until I upgraded by CD-ROM drive from a Sony CDU-541 to a Sony CDU-641. I now find that the audio-mode will not work. I assume it is not being handled correctly by the ASW-410 driver. So, should I chase Adaptec for an upgrade? If so does anyone know their FAX number? Any assistance appreciated. Regards BTW: everything else works fine, certainly seems that Sony have caught up with the rest with the 641. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nigel Harwood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Post: Coles Supermarkets, PO Box 480 Glen Iris 3146, Australia >> << Phone: +61 3 829 6090 E-mail: nigel@cnw01.storesys.coles.oz.au >> << FAX: +61 3 829 6886 >> " 4735,17,"From: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Originator: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: duteinh.et.tudelft.nl Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 14 From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel : > What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a > s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza > k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the > way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref > ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this respect. Israel allows freedom of religion. Avi. " 4736,18,"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 45 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>> I really don't want to waste time in >>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! >> >> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am >>not eager to make a fool of myself. > >Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about >and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you >wish. > >The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits >so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along >with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced >organized crime specifically; etc, etc Ahhh, the classic Truth By Blatant Assertion technique. Too bad it's so demonstrably false. Take a look at Great Britain sometime for a nice history on drug criminalization. The evidence there shows that during periods of time when drugs (such as heroin) were illegal, crime went up and people did die from bad drugs. During times when drugs were legalized, those trends were reversed. > >If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into >why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group >was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little >research. Now this is a great example of an ironclad proof. Gosh, I'm convinced. ( :-} for the humor impaired). First, assert something for which you have no evidence, then dodge requests for proof by claiming to know what this group was intended for. As to research, if you'd done any at all, you'd realize that there is plenty of reason to believe that legalizing drugs will have many benefits to society. There are some plausible arguments against it, too, but they aren't enough to convince me that criminalization of drugs is the answer. I'm willing to be convinced I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the likes of you can do it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4737,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 32 }>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make }>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside }>of their group or level of understanding. There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash. The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify: Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards, anyway) because they have never held education above basic reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant. (They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage of any group). White trash: ""White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."" -- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under- qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are mean as snakes. The ""squeal like a pig"" boys in _Deliverance_ may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell white trash. White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 4738,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 46 In article <1qla0g$afp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >In article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >|> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which >|> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim >|> >community in the Uk and elsewhere. >|> Grow up, childish propagandist. >Gregg, I'm really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice >things aren't quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim >them to be upsets you.. You have done no such thing. >BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank - >what will someone bet me they weren't ""real"" Islamic owners and >operators? An Islamic bank is a bank which operates according to the rules of Islam in regard to banking. This is done explicitly by the bank. This was not the case with BCCI. >And why did these naive depositors put their life savings into >BCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down >the street? This is crap. BCCI was motivated by the same motives as other international banks, with perhaps an emphasis on dealing with outlaws and the intelligence services of various governments. >So please don't try to con us into thinking that it will all >work out right next time. Back to childish propaganda again. You really ought to get a life rather than wasting bandwith on such empty typing. There are thousands of Islamic banks operating throughout the world which no-one ever hears about. If you want to talk about corrupted banks we can talk about all the people who've been robbed by American banks. Gregg " 4739,10,"From: Patrick Walker Subject: Did you really expect Toronto to go anywhere? REALLY! Lines: 13 Organization: The University of New Brunswick Detroit is a very disciplined team. There's a lot of Europeans in Detroit which would make the game fast, so Toronto would have to slow the game down, which means drawing penalties, as a last resort anyway. Toronto will be a good team as soon as they get more good players. Toronto is just an average team, Detroit isn't Ballard screwed Toronto when he was owner. Everyone knows that. and it's going to take time for Toronto to become a real force. I expect Gilmour to be burnt out next year. He can't pull the whole team forever. Patrick Walker University of New Brunswick " 4740,11,"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 21 Generally, an organization has influence in proportion to: The narrowness of its objectives The number of members The strength of belief of its members This is why the pro- and anti-abortion groups are so strong: narrow objectives, lots of interested members who are real passionate. For this reason, mixing with the NRA is probably a bad idea. It diffuses the interests of both groups. It may well diminish the Passion Index of the combined organization. It is not clear it would greatly enlarge the NRA. So, I believe a new organization, which may cooperate with NRA where the two organization's interest coincide, is the optimum strategy. lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). 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Taylor writes > ... If you are determined > to go faster, get an airplane. They dont have speed limits. Just don't make a habit of buzzing your local airport at >200 knots (250 knots if you're flying a jet). :-) " 4743,19,"From: blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.) Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: leo.unm.edu In article <1pr3d3$doh@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk) writes: >>>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get: (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336 >>>This mean anything to anyone? :^) >5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else. Of course, 2+1+8+9+7+3+9+3+3+6 = 51, which, quite obviously is 23+23+5... r. " 4744,9,"From: spira@panix.com (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC Lines: 12 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > > The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes >out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, Uh, I don't think you can call a team with Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, and Nolan Ryan on the pitching staff a team that has ""no talent."" They did come out of nowhere, but some of the improvement was forseeable. Greg " 4745,3,"From: cscon101@uoft02.utoledo.edu Subject: 1-800-832-4778 Western Digital NO REPLY Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services Lines: 3 1-800-832-4778 Western Digital's Voice Mail - Can get information on many drives, or an actual person at the end. " 4746,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr20.113953.18879@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes: >>>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >>>being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >>>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >>>season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >>>for the Pens. >> > >I think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he >got traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn't Rick Vaive the captain of >the Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for >Ed Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that >Darryl Sittler was their captain (he'd torn the ""C"" off his >jersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he >was traded to the Flyers. > >Oh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before >he was traded wasn't he? Dale Hawerchuk and Troy Murray were both captains of the Jets when they were traded. (Murray this year in mid-season, Hawerchuk a few years ago in the off-season.) Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 4747,18,"From: riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) Subject: Re: hard times investments was: (no subject given) Organization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: descartes.tec.army.mil In article <1pkvcl$nu0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes: > >In a previous article, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) says: > >>so much land, and in the long run, we have a zero sum game going. Someone, >>somewhere, is going to make a killing from nosediving real estate >>markets. The worst thing to do is panic. The best thing you can do is >>to ride out deflation to the end. It hurts, but you're better off >>than if you sell short and donate to someone else's inheritance. > > > Sad. Paradigm Shift is coming, chum. > Ride the WAVE! I don't believe in the ""Wave Theory"". > > "" There's only so much land "". Oh, God, is this Mike Zimmer's > replacement?! My mother-in-law, who grew up in Germany, doesn't believe in money at all. She started out as a real estate developer, and now raises horses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock in my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible. > > Here, let me spell it out for you. > > Can you spell TWO TRILLION DOLLAR BANK BAILOUT? Maybe you'd like to invest in some foreign currency. Which one would you guess to come out on top ? (Sigh - speculators never learn.) Bill R. -- ""The only proposals in the Senate that I ""My opinions do not represent have seen fit to mention are particularly those of my employer or praiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones. any government agency."" It seems to me that the historian's foremost - Bill Riggs duty is to ensure that virtue is remembered, and to deter evil words and deeds with the fear of posterity's damnation."" - Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65 " 4748,14,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. In-Reply-To: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM's message of Fri, 23 Apr 93 09: 06:09 BST Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> <19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com> Lines: 14 >>>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:06:09 BST, nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) said: GS> How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is GS> able to accept donations to keep craft operational. I seem to remember NASA considering this for some of the Apollo equipment left on the moon, but that they decided against it. Or maybe not... -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 4749,13,"From: SFEGUS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu In article <79857@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > >> I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to >> be carcinogenic that ""it would not be legal in the U.S."". I think that > >No, there is something called the ""Delany Amendment"" which makes carcinogenic >food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the >1950's, before stuff like mass spectrometry became available, which increased >detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude. > >This is why things like cyclamates and Red #2 were banned. They are very >weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats, so under the Act they are >banned. > >This also applies to natural carcinogens. Some of you might remember a >time back in the 1960's when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good, >and never tasted so good again. That was the time when safrole was banned. >This is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves. > >If it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days, someone >would do it, in order to make money. The fact that no one does it indicates >that enforcement is still in effect. > >An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as ""gumbo file'"". >This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves. This >is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural >form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany. Or maybe a special exemption >was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats. I think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce/sell food with carcinogenic substances, it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food (smoking, etc). Is this true? " 4750,5,"From: hans@xelion.nl (Hans Bos) Subject: Save Under with X11R5 Keywords: Save Under, X11R5 Organization: Xelion bv Lines: 26 I have the following problem on X11R5 servers. When a window of my is obscured by a pop up window which has the Save Under attribute set, the subwindows of my window are not restored. Normally, the subwindows are redrawn when the parent window gets an expose event, but because the save under attribute is used for the pop up window that obscured my window, no expose event is sent. When ExposureMask is set for the child windows, those windows are correctly updated when the popup window disappears, however then the application gets too many expose events and you see extra redraws. Everything works fine with X11R4. Is this something that is changed between X11R4 and X11R5 (obvious)? Is it something I do wrong? Is there something that the popup window should do (which is also mine)? Is this a bug in X11 release 5? Greetings, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Bos domain : hans@xelion.nl Xelion BV uucp : ...!sun4nl!xelion!hans Postbus 88 phone : +31 15 622121 " 4751,16,"From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) Subject: Re: Andy: how do we stop people with a gun? Summary: Guns can kill: that's why I have them. Keywords: guns handguns rifles shotguns Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) Distribution: na Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA Lines: 169 In article <1993Apr7.141930.29582@freenet.carleton.ca> ac002@Freenet.carleton.ca (Nikolaus Maack) writes: >Come on. A gun kills people. Rather, people kill people with guns. The sad truth is: sometimes that is good, or at least, better than the alternative. >But let's ignore guns for defence and/or crime and look at gun accidents. Ok. There are about 1400 fatal firearm accidents per year [1], and the number has been in decline since early this century [2]. Most of these accidents involve rifles or shot guns, not handguns. ... >But seriously: a gun is designed to fire a bullet. This is not so you >can shoot cardboard cut outs down at the range. In fact there are both guns and bullets designed specifically for that. The idea that my Ruger Mark II Bull Barrel (a semi-auto 0.22 caliber handgun) was designed to kill or hurt people, even for self defense, would, I'm sure, come as a surprise to its designer. It certainly isn't why I have it. It certainly would hurt someone if you shot them with it, and might even kill them, but it is simply wrong to say it was designed to kill people. >This is not designed to act as a tool for home defence where you show >someone that you have a gun and they go ""Gee, perhaps I should leave"". In fact, that is what happens most of the time. Most self defensive uses of firearms don't involve firing any shots. Most criminals would prefer not to be shot, and will go to some effort not to be, including doing what you say when you point a gun at them. If you were called on to design a tool, that could be easily carried, to immediately stop someone attacking you, what would it be? A handgun is about the best anyone has come up with and experience shows it does work the best.[3] >No, you see the gun was designed to fire that little bullet into a human >body and hurt them. Not a tough concept to swallow, for most. Certainly, no one argues that handguns (of the type we are discussing) aren't deadly weapons. However, it simply isn't true to say that all of them were designed to kill people. Moreover, what exactly is wrong with having deadly weapons? There are times when it is perfectly legitimate to use deadly force, e.g. in self defense. I consider it not just my right, but my duty to defend myself and my family, and that includes having and knowing how to use the tools to do that. ""The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."" - T. Jefferson. I think what Jefferson said is still true. >And the trouble with having such an item is often the little bullet goes >off into the wrong fleshy target. Not very often compared to other use.[3] >Or else Uncle Frank gets pissed and blows away his wife. This isn't that common either, at least when compared to other uses. It is very rare that a non-violent person will suddenly ""get-pissed"" and kill someone, gun or not. In most cases, the people who murder have long histories of violence. If you have good reason to believe that these people wouldn't kill if they didn't have a gun, feel free to present it. >Having a thing specificly designed to kill means it is much easier to >kill things. Right? Right, but there are times when killing things is called for. I hope I never have to shoot a person, but I've had to kill a number of animals from rodents to cows, and when I do, I don't want them to suffer any more than is necessary. I prefer they die instantly, but failing that, I want them to drop so I can quickly finish them with the next shot, and failing that, I don't want them to go fast or far. I try to choose the best weapon and ammunition I have to try to achieve that goal for the size of animal I'm after, but it doesn't always work as I plan. Without belaboring the point, people who are overly impressed with the killing or shopping power of guns, particularly handguns, haven't used them much for that purpose. [1] Accidental deaths in 1988: 48700 deaths by auto 11300 deaths by fall 5300 deaths by drowning 4800 deaths by fire 4400 deaths by poison 3200 deaths by food 1400 deaths by firearm Source: Statistics Department, National Safety Council. ""Accidents Facts 1988 Edition"". National Safety Council. 444 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago IL 606111 (800) 621-7619 [2] RKBA.002 - Declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms Version 1.1 (last changed on 90/04/23 at 22:28:19) DESCRIPTION =========== The accidental deaths by firearm per capita has been declining steadily for almost sixty years. In 1932, the accidental deaths by firearm per 1,000,000 people was 24.03. In 1987, it was 5.74. The decline has been steady, consistent, and a fairly straight line when plotted. At the rate of the last sixty years, it will reach zero sometime around 2025 AD. CONCLUSION ========== Firearms have been a declining factor in accidental deaths for over sixty years, despite rising per-capita gun ownership. [1] = Year. [2] = Population. [3] = Accidental deaths. [4] = Accidental deaths per 1,000,000. [1] [2] [3] [4] [1] [2] [3] [4] 1932 124,840,000 3,000 24.03 1961 183,691,000 2,204 12.00 1933 125,579,000 3,014 24.00 1962 186,538,000 2,092 11.21 1934 126,374,000 3,033 24.00 1963 189,242,000 2,263 11.96 1935 127,250,000 2,799 22.00 1964 191,889,000 2,275 11.86 1936 128,053,000 2,817 22.00 1965 194,303,000 2,344 12.06 1937 128,825,000 2,576 20.00 1966 196,560,000 2,558 13.01 1938 129,825,000 2,726 21.00 1967 198,712,000 2,896 14.57 1939 130,880,000 2,618 20.00 1968 200,706,000 2,394 11.93 1940 132,122,000 2,375 17.98 1969 202,677,000 2,309 11.39 1941 133,402,000 2,396 17.96 1970 204,879,000 2,406 11.74 1942 134,860,000 2,678 19.86 1971 207,661,000 2,360 11.36 1943 136,739,000 2,282 16.69 1972 209,896,000 2,442 11.63 1944 138,397,000 2,392 17.28 1973 211,909,000 2,618 12.35 1945 139,928,000 2,385 17.04 1974 213,854,000 2,613 12.22 1946 141,389,000 2,801 19.81 1975 215,854,000 2,380 11.03 1947 144,126,000 2,439 16.92 1976 218,035,000 2,059 9.44 1948 146,631,000 2,191 14.94 1977 220,239,000 1,982 9.00 1949 149,188,000 2,330 15.62 1978 222,585,000 1,806 8.11 1950 151,684,000 2,174 14.33 1979 225,055,000 2,004 8.90 1951 154,287,000 2,247 14.56 1980 227,757,000 1,955 8.58 1952 156,954,000 2,210 14.08 1981 230,138,000 1,871 8.13 1953 159,565,000 2,277 14.27 1982 232,520,000 1,756 7.55 1954 162,391,000 2,271 13.98 1983 234,799,000 1,695 7.22 1955 165,275,000 2,120 12.83 1984 237,001,000 1,668 7.04 1956 168,221,000 2,202 13.09 1985 239,279,000 1,649 6.89 1957 171,274,000 2,369 13.83 1986 241,613,000 1,600 6.62 1958 174,141,000 2,172 12.47 1987 243,915,000 1,400 5.74 1959 177,073,000 2,258 12.75 1960 180,671,000 2,334 12.92 Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970, Bicentennial Edition, Part 2, Washington, DC, 1975. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1982-83. (103th edition.) Washington, DC, 1982 [sic].. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1989 (109th edition.) Washington, DC, 1989. [3] Kleck, Gary. ""Guns and Self-Defense: Crime Control through the Use of Force in the Private Sector."" __Social Problems__ 35(1988):4, pp. 7-9. -- orstcs!opac!bug!stevef I am the NRA Steven R. Fordyce uunet!sequent!ether!stevef . . . The only fair tax is no tax! " 4752,11,"From: ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Summary: But, for all its flaws, the domino theory was right... Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Distribution: na Lines: 8 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.), the domino theory wasn't disproved at all. " 4753,13,"Subject: Broken rib From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C. Keywords: advice needed Summary: long term problems? Lines: 17 Hello, I am not sure if this is the right conference to ask this question, however, Here I go.. I am a commercial fisherman and I fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm. My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me is the movement or ""clunking"" I feel and hear back there when I move certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke years ago and that it still bothers them.ÿ. any opinions? thanx and cheers jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross) The Old Frog's Almanac (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group) (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Vancouver Island, British Columbia Waffle XENIX 1.64 " 4754,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Nostalgia Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 1049 The recent rise of nostalgia in this group, combined with the incredible level of utter bullshit, has prompted me to comb through my archives and pull out some of ""The Best of Alt.Atheism"" for your reading pleasure. I'll post a couple of these a day unless group concensus demands that I stop, or I run out of good material. I haven't been particularly careful in the past about saving attributions. I think the following comes from John A. Johnson, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is probably the longest of my entire collection. ________________________________________________________ So that the Prophecy be Fulfilled * * * In considering the Christian religion, and judging it according to its claims, it is important to look at its claims at fulfilling earlier Jewish prophecy. The scribe Matthew is perhaps the most eager to draw out what he thinks are prophetic answers in the career of Jesus of Nazareth. As you will see, Matthew's main strategy is to take various Old Testament passages, often not even about the promised Messiah, and apply them to the circumstances in the New Testament. We must also bear in mind the question of the authenticity of the accounts. Since the gospels were written at least 35 years after Jesus was executed, we do not know how much happened exactly as stated. But, for purposes of analysis, we will take particular claims at face value. Immanuel: We begin, of course, at the beginning. (Mt 1.21-22): ""[Mary] will bear a son, and you, Joseph, will name him 'Jesus' (which means G'd is salvation), for he will save his people from their sins."" All this happened to fulfil what the lord had spoken by a prophet: [Isaiah 7.1-16]: In the days of Ahaz (c. 750 BCE), king of Judah, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel made war on Jerusalem (capitol of Judah), but could not quite conquer it. When the house of David (i.e. Ahaz and his court in Judah) were told of this, ...its heart and the heart of its people shook... And, the lord G'd said to Isaiah, ""go to meet with Ahaz..."" ...And the lord spoke to Ahaz (through prophet Isaiah, naturally) saying, ""Ask a sign of G'd your lord. It can be as deep as Sheol or as high as heaven."" But, Ahaz said, ""I won't ask; I will not put the lord to a test."" Then (Isaiah) said, ""Hear then, O house of David. Is it not enough for you to weary men, that you must weary my god too? Therefore, the lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a young woman is with child and will bear a son, and name him ""Immanuel,"" which means, ""G'd is with us."" He will eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse evil and choose good. For, before the child knows how to refuse evil and choose good, the land of the two kings you dread will have been deserted... Matthew homes in on just the sentence that is in italics. Further, he the Hebrew word ""almah,"" (young woman), as specifically, ""virgin."" But, this is not a prophecy about the Messiah. It is not a prophecy about an event to happen 750 years later. It is not a prophecy about a virgin (bethulah) mother. In short, it not about Jesus. Matthew has made use of a verse out of context, and tries to make it fit the specific case of Mary. It should be noted that if we want to read the prophecy in a general manner, a very general one, it can be made to fit Mary. Mary, virgin or not, was indeed a young woman with child. Of course, the fit is shady and has problems. Jesus, while thought of by later Christians to be G'd walking among men, was never called by the name, Immanuel. If Christianity wished to claim this prophecy for Jesus, it becomes at best a cut-and-paste prophecy... a second class prophecy. Not too convincing. Egypt: After Jesus's birth in Bethlehem, Matthew tells about a quick (and elsewhere unmentioned) excursion to Egypt, as if he wishes to liken Jesus to Moses. This was done to escape an alleged infanticidal rampage of the king, Herod. [Mt 2.15] ...and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the lord had spoken: ""Out of Egypt I have cal-led my son."" What the lord really said was this. [Hosea 11.1] When Israel was a child, I loved him. And, out of Egypt I called my son. The more I called them (my people), the more they went from me; they kept sacrificing to the Ba'als, and kept burning incense to idols. Matthew conveniently omits the rest of Hosea's oracle. But, it was indeed Israel that, once called out of Egypt, wanted to return. This is history. Jesus is certainly not being spoken of here. And, if we are to draw some kind of parallel here, we wind up with a Jesus that flees and resists G'd. Again, this prophecy is just not as convincing as Matthew probably had hoped. Rachel Weeps: While Jesus is off vacationing in Egypt, Matthew says that King Herod sought to kill him, and thus ordered the executions of all young male children. Matthew then writes, [Mt 2.17-18] By this, that which was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: ""A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation-- Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more."" The reference is to a passage in Jeremiah 31.15, referring to the carrying off of Israel into exile by Sargon (of Assyria) in 722 BCE. Rachel, the ancestor of the major tribes of Israel, Ephraim, and Manasseh, is said to weep for her descendants who are ""no more."" It is metaphorical, of course, since Rachel lived and dies before the Hebrews were even in the Egyptian exile. It is interesting to note that it was Leah, not Rachel, who was the ancestor of the Judeans (the land where Jesus and Bethlehem were). If anyone should do weeping for her ""children,"" it is Leah. The only connexion that Rachel has with Bethlehem is that the legends have it that she was buried north of the city, ""on the way to Ephrath, (Bethlehem)."" As for Herod and his infanticide, it is rather unlikely that such an event actually occurred. One never knows, but the event is not mentioned or alluded to anywhere else in the Bible, nor is it mentioned in any of the secular records of the time. Herod was particularly unliked in his reign, and many far less evil deeds of Herod were carefully recorded. This might be a prime example of how events were added to Jesus's life to enhance the message of the church's gospel. Because of the whole story's similarity to the tale of the infant Moses in Egypt, it is highly likely that it is a device set up by Matthew to add prophetic, yet artificial, approval of Jesus. It is not surprising that Matthew conveniently neglects to mention the rest of the Jeremiah quote. The ""children"" the prophet speaks of are not dead, but exiled in the Assyrian Empire. G'd comforts the weeping Rachel, saying that the children will be returned-- he will gather them back together. Of course, this would not suit Matthew's purpose, as the children he speaks of are dead for good. Again, the ""prophecy"" Matthew sets up is not even that, and to anyone who bothers to check it out, is not too convincing. The Nazarene: We do not even have to go to the next chapter to find another Matthean prophecy. After leaving Egypt, Joseph & wife take the infant Jesus to live in the city of Nazareth, [Mt 2.23] ...that what was spoken of by the prophets might be fulfilled, ""He shall be called a Nazarene."" First thing we notice is that Matthew does not mention the name of the prophet(s) this time. Second, we have to ask who ""He"" is. There are no Messianic prophecies speaking of a Nazarene. Worse, there are no prophecies, period, mentioning a Nazarene. Still worse, there are no Nazarenes mentioned in the Old Testament at all. In the book of Judges, an angel tells Samson's mother that she will, [Judges 13.5] ""...conceive and bear a son. No razor shall tough his head, for he will be a Nazirite to his god from the day of his birth. He will deliver Israel from the hands of the Philistines."" This is of course not a prophecy of Jesus, or the messiah of G'd. But, it is the best that can be found. Obviously, Matthew has begun to go overboard in cut-and-paste prophecies, in that he is simple making them up now. Bearing our Diseases: Jesus next goes around healing people of physical illnesses and disabilities. [Mt 8.17] This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, ""He took our infirmities and bore our diseases."" As expected, the verse quoted in Isaiah is quoted out of context, and a few words are skewed to fit the Christian scheme. We have, [Is 53.4] Surely he, [the suffering servant], has borne our sickness, and carried our pains. From a reading of the surrounding passages in Isaiah, we know that the prophet is speaking in present tense of the collective nation of Israel, Jehovah's chosen servant and people. He speaks to the Israelites suffering in exile, in the voice of the gentile nations that look upon it. This image is deeply ingrained in Jewish identity --an image of a chastised, yet cherished, Israel as the instrument of the nations' salvation by G'd. The verses speak of Israel taking on the sicknesses which are the literal and metaphorical manifestations of guilt and discipline. They do not speak of a ""servant"" going around and healing people. Notice that the servant in Isaiah takes on the sicknesses and pains of the nations (and individual Jews). Jesus, as we all know, did not take the diseases onto himself. The verses here in Isaiah are not a prophecy of something to come, but rather something that had already happened. While it is believed that Jesus took on the eternal punishment of hell, he did not bear the illnesses he healed. So, while someone might want to say that, figuratively, Jesus reenacted the deeds of Israel in his spiritual atonement, he has to admit that Matthew's parallel misses where he intended it to have its effect. Silent Messiah: Upon healing multitudes of commoners, it is said that Jesus ordered them to keep quiet, presumable so that he wouldn't arouse the attention of the local rulers. [Mt 12.15-21] This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah. ""Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved, with whom my soul is pleased. I will put my spirit on him, and he will announce justice to the Gentiles. He will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets. He will not break a bruised reed or quench a smoldering wick until he brings justice to victory, and the gentiles will hope in his name."" The Isaiah passage quoted reads, [Is 42.1-4] Behold my servant whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights. I have put my spirit on him, and he will bring forth justice to the nations. We will not cry or lift up his voice, or make it heard in the street. He will not break a bruised reed, or quench a smoldering wick. He will faithfully bring forth justice. He will not fail (burn dimly) or be discouraged (bruised) until he has established justice in the earth. And the coastlands await his law. You see, Matthew has conveniently left out part of the passage, because it does not suit the dealings of Jesus. Christians could never think of Jesus failing, never would the ""light"" of mankind burn dimly. But, the servant nation of Israel will indeed come to an end when its job is done. When the gentiles come to embrace G'd there will no longer be a chosen people, but rather all will be the children of G'd. Also, the ending phrase has been changed from the Judaic ""...the coastlands await his law."" to the Christologic, ""the Gentiles will hope in his name."" While the original proclaims the Torah law of Jehovah, the other rewrites it to fit its strange doctrine of ""believing in the name."" If one has any doubt the servant referred to is not Jesus, one has only to read the whole chapter, Isaiah 42, and hear about the beloved but blind and imperfect servant, ""a people robbed and plundered..."" So, we see that when Matthew's attempt at ""prophecy"" is examined, it crumbles. Three Days and Three Nights: Now we come upon a prophecy supposedly uttered by the very mouth of the god Jesus himself. He speaks of his crucifixion and resurrection. [Mt 12.40] For as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Before any further discussion can occur, it is necessary to know how the Jews understood days. As far as day names went, each was 24 hours long, lasting from sunset 6pm to the following sunset 6pm. What was referred to as a ""day"" was the period of light from 6am to the ending sunset at 6pm. Thus, according to our time scale, a sabbath day began at 6pm Friday evening, and lasted until 6pm saturday evening. This is why the Jews celebrate their sabbath on the daylight portion of Saturdays, instead of Sundays. (It seems like a real miracle that Christians didn't forget that Saturday was indeed the seventh and last day of the week!) Thus, when days and nights are referred to together, 12 hour daylight portions and 12 hour night periods are being spoken of. Thus, Jesus says that he will be in the grave, or in hell, or otherwise unresurrected for three days and three nights. As the good book tells us, Jesus was crucified on the ""ninth hour,"" which is 3pm, Friday afternoon. He then was put into the grave sometime after that. Then, Jesus left the grave, ""rose,"" before dawn of what we call Sunday (The dawn after the sabbath was over). What this means is that Jesus was, using our time for clarity, in the grave from 6pm Friday night to some time before 6am Sunday morning. We could also add a little time before 6pm Friday, since the bible is not specific here. What this means using Jewish time is that he was in the grave for one day, two nights, and possibly a couple of hours of one day. Certainly this is a problem for Jesus prediction. There is absolutely no way we are even able to have his death involve three days and three nights --even using modern time measurements. We then are led to suspect that this error is another one of Matthew's little mistakes, and that the gospel writer put false words into his god's mouth. And no matter who made the prediction, it is more than unconvincing... it is counter-convincing. Hearing & Understanding: Jesus tool on a habit of speaking to his vast audiences in parables-- stories in which a deeper meaning could be found, if you were already one of the elect, those chosen to understand the message of Jesus. He reasons that those who can understand the parables are the ones he wants. If the people cannot understand them, there is no need to bother with them, since they will not accept the ""plain"" message any better. Matthew says, [Mt 13.14-16] With them [the audience] indeed in fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, ""You will indeed hear but never understand; and you will indeed see, but never perceive. Because this people's heart has grown dull, their ears are heavy of hearing, and they have shut their eyes so the they would not perceive with them, her with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them."" The original Isaiah passages are part of his earlier works, his call to the ministry. This is in 740 BCE, when Israel is flourishing, right before it falls under the authority of Assyria. Isaiah sees the good times ending, and also a vision from G'd, calling him to bring reform to Israel and Judah. [Is 6.9-13] And G'd said, ""Go, and say to this people, `Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and see, but do not perceive.' Make the heart of this people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, so they will not see with their eyes, or hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."" Then Isaiah said, ""How long, lord?"" And he said, ""Until the cities lie waste without inhabitant, and houses without men, and the land is utterly desolate, and the G'ds take men far away, and forsaken places are many in the land. And though a tenth will remain in it, it will be burned again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump still stands when the tree is felled."" The holy seed is its stump. Here we see that it is really G'd who causes the people of Israel to stop listening to the prophet's warnings, but reaffirms the promise made to Solomon's (and David's) seed/lineage. If you read the rest of Isaiah, you find that this is done to fulfil the plan of G'd to use Israel as a servant, a light to the nations. (Look at Isaiah 42.18-25, 48.20, 49.3) We see that Matthew has cut-and-pasted just a little portion of Isaiah's verse, to suit his own gospel needs. More than that, he has altered the words, to make it fit the people who didn't understand Jesus's stories. And, as we see, Isaiah's verses are not prophecies, but rather commands from G'd to him, in the present. Once again, Matthew's prophecy falls flat on its face. Matthew tries again to make Jesus's parables look like they have the prophetic approval. [Mt 13.35] ...he said nothing to them without a parable. This was to fulfil what was spoken of by the prophet, ""I will open my mouth to them in parables. I will utter that which has been hidden since the foundation of the world."" Matthew really botches up here. He attempts to quote not from a prophet, but from the Psalms. [Ps 78.2-4] I will open my mouth in parable. I will utter dark sayings of old, things that we all have heard and known, things that our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, but tell to the coming generation the glorious deeds of the lord... As was pointed out, the verses in the Psalms do not really come from a prophet. You might also want to know that earlier copies of Matthew's gospel even inserted Isaiah's name as this prophet. Apparently, later scribes caught the error and tried to cover some of it up. Perhaps the most significant part of this is that, once again, Matthew has altered the Old Testament Scriptures. As Jesus has said earlier, he speaks in parables so that some will not understand them. The parables in the Psalms are not to be hidden. Further, they speak of things ""known, that our fathers have told us."" Jesus deals with things ""hidden since the foundation of the world."" Indeed Jesus dealt in a lot of secrecy and confusion. This is in direct opposition to the parables in the Psalms. No wonder Matthew had to rewrite them! And still once again, Matthew's artificial prophecies fall flat on their face. But, Christians rarely look at this. Matthew's prophecies aren't the only things about Christianity that are beginning to look bad. Excuses of Little Faith: In Mt. 17.14-21, we see that the disciples are able to go around casting out demons, except in one case. Not knowing what epilepsy was, the people thought those with the disease were possesed with demons. It is no wonder that the disciples were unable to ""dispossess"" the epileptic. But, Jesus, perhaps no more enlightened than they, is reported to have rebuked them, saying they didn't have enough faith. This seems strange. Why was this demon special? It seems that either a true believer has faith or he does not. Apparently, enough faith will allow someone to move mountains. Of course, you will find no one, these days that can move real mountains. No one parts seas. The only miracles the Charismatics can speak of are those rumoured to happen on trips to Mexico or some faraway place. Major miracles are making some old woman's arthritis feel better on Sunday morning T.V. And the gods, including Jesus, are always shrouded in ancient lore and writings, protected from the skeptics in their sacred pasts. They are either dead, sleeping, or hiding in heaven, with people rumouring about their imminent return and their great miracles of days long gone. Yet, life goes on. Tales of mystics, stories of miracles-- all in a distant time or a distant place. Gods used to reveal themselves to men in the old days, Jehovah too. But, now they are silent. All the theologians give are various excuses as to why we don't get to see God anymore. We're too lazy; we're not zealous enough; we're sinful; it's just his ""plan""; we put too many of our own demands on G'd's appearance; if we had the right faith, if we were willing to meet G'd on his terms... Yet, even the most pious of men have not seen G'd. You, dear reader, have not seen G'd. Not literally, you know that to be true. (I know that's presumptuous and bold. But, searching your heart, you know what I mean.) All that we've seen religions do is make people feel good and content about not seeing G'd. They say our little faith does not merit us to see G'd. Sometimes, they say, ""See the love in these people you worship with... see the lives of people change... that is seeing G'd."" Thus people get lulled to sleep, satisfied with turning G'd into the everyday sights. But, that is not seeing G'd as I am speaking of... it is not seeing G'd the way people used to see. What we see in the world that is good, is the compassion of human hearts, the love given and taken by men and women, the forgiveness practised by Christian & Atheist alike, beauty created by the mind of man. These are the things that are done; these are what we see. But, it is said this is so only because everybody has little faith. Jesus Rides on an Ass: Shortly after accepting the role of the Jewish messiah king, Jesus requests a donkey be brought in for him to ride into Jerusalem. [Mt 21.5] This took place to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet, saying, Tell the daughter of Zion, ""Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, mounted on an ass, and on a ass-colt."" Of course, the passage quoted from Zechariah 9.9 reads a little differently. Lo, your king comes to you; he is triumphant and victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, on an ass- colt... he will command peace to the nations. There isn't all that much difference here, except that Zechariah only involves one animal --an ass-colt-- while Matthew reads the poetic wording slightly differently. Thus, he has Jesus call for both a colt and an adult ass. From Matthew's version, we get a comical picture of the divine Christ sweating it to straddle two donkeys. This could inevitably lead to a theological, proctological dilemma! We find that in the account written earlier by St. Mark, only the colt was called for and brought to Jesus. This indeed fits the verses of Zechariah properly, and shows us that in Matthew attempt to use prophetic verses, he has bungled. Now, excluding many respectable Christians I have met, I have noticed that while Christ is thought to have ridden on asses, the situation is often reversed nowadays... Then, entering the Jerusalem temple, the priests were angered at people and youngsters calling Jesus the messiah. But, Jesus replied as we might expect Matthew to have done, [Mt 21.16] Haven't you read? `Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has brought perfect praise.' It is more likely that Matthew made this response up since Jesus was never one to point out such little ""prophetic"" things AND since, as we might expect, the quote is in error, which seems to fit Matthew's track record quite well. We might ask Jesus or Matthew, ""Haven't you read?"" for the source reads, [Psalms 8.1-2] O YaHWeH our lord, how majestic is your name in the whole world! You, whose glory is chanted above the heavens by babes and infants, you have founded a bulwark against your foes to still the enemy and the avenger. The passages hardly need comment. There is no ""perfect praise"" spoken of in the psalm, and what praise is there is given to G'd, not his messiah king, and not Jesus. As mentioned, it seems to be just one more case of Matthew's pen making up convenient prophetic scripture. YHVH said to my lord...: Jesus is said to have asked from whom the promised Jewish messiah-king is to be descended. The Jews agree-- it is king David. But, then Jesus counters by quoting Psalms 110, ""The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet."" Taken at face value, Jesus is denying the necessity of Davidic descent. One assumes he is in opposition to their answer. Of course, the Christian answer is that he agrees, but is trying to make some hidden point, to reveal some mystery about the divine nature of the messiah-king. It's tempting to believe this, if one is a Christian and not interested in matters of investigation. But, there are problems. In Jesus's time, the psalm was thought to be about the messiah. And, it is easy to see why David might refer to the messiah as his superior. We need only look at the scriptures about the messiah to see that he is expected to be a great king, bringing the Jews to times even better than those under David's rule. Of course, the Jews listening had no good answer, and the passage could indeed refer to a divine messiah, such as the Christians worship. The problem lies in the meaning of this psalm, an error that apparently several Jews of Jesus's time had also made. One must remember that there were various factions among the Jews, often as a result of different expectations of the messiah-king. Jesus was apparently one of these adventists, like his audience, who thought the messiah's advent was imminent, and who interpreted Psalms 110, among others, as being messianic. What is the problem, then? Psalm 110 literally reads, YHVH's utterance to my lord: ""Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool."" YHVH sends forth your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule in the midst of your foes! Your people will offer themselves freely on the day you lead your host on the holy mountains. ""You are a priest of the order of Melchizedek forever."" The word ""lord"" is often mistakenly capitalised by Christian bibles to denote divinity in this lord. But, in the Hebrew, the word is ""adoni,"" and no capitalisation exists. Adoni simply means ""lord,"" a generic term as we would use it. It is used often in the scriptures to refer to kings and to G'd. It is merely an address of respect. There is nothing in the text itself to imply that the word refers either to divinity or to the messiah-king. That this is supposed to be written by David is not certain. The title of the psalm translates to either ""a psalm of David,"" or ""a psalm about David."" It seems fitting to assume it to be written by a court poet, about David's covenant and endorsement from G'd. If the psalm had been written by David, it is unlikely that he would be talking about the messiah. The idea of a perfect king, descended from David, was not present in David's age. We have extensive tales of David's doings and sayings-- none of which include any praises of a messiah. Many of the psalms show evidence of being written long after David was dead, in times of the exile when G'd had put his show of favour for David's kingdom on hold. The description in the psalm fit David very well. David was promised by G'd a rise to power, victory over his enemies, successful judgement among the nations he conquered. He achieved the priesthood common to Melchizedek in being a righteous king, enabled to bless the people. It all fits. We do not have to blame this problem on Matthew alone, though. Here, there is not artificial prophecy alluded to, though his use of the scripture is rather questionable. Still, this event is common to the other gospels too. So, we let Matthew off a little more easily this time. It is interesting to note, though, how Matthew dresses up the event. The earlier gospel of Mark tells the tale with Jesus simply speaking to a crowd. Matthew has the Pharisees, who became the religious competition of an infant Christianity, be the target of Jesus's question. As we might expect, Matthew writes that the event ends up by embarrassing the Pharisees. Such power is the pen. Moses & Jesus, Had it Together All Along...: We leave the gospel story of Matthew momentarily to see a pseudo-prophecy in John's gospel. The gospel story of John deserves special treatment, because it seems to be so far removed from the real events of Jesus's career as told by even Matthew. But, for the moment, we will just look at one verse. The early church leaders founded a religion on the Jewish hopes of a messiah king, and on an artificial extension of the original promises made by G'd. When constructing the history of Abraham, Moses wrote of a promise of land and nationhood to the Jewish people. While this was accomplished eventually, under the rule of king David, the Christians who came along later decided that they would claim the fulfillment of the promise. But, to do so, they expanded on the promise, preaching about a heavenly kingdom. [John 8.56] (J.C. speaking) Your father, Abraham, rejoiced to see My day. He say it and was glad. It would be nice to tie in approval for Jesus from Abraham, but, Abraham knew nothing of Jesus or a messiah, or anything Christian. I have tried, and failed to find any event in the Old Testament which corresponds to John's little prophecy. It is par for the course to see St. John making up Old Testament backings, just like his forerunner Matthew. Many Christians know that their faith has many of its foundations in such fraud, and it is surprising they still cling to it. The Potter's Field: We are told that Jesus was betrayed while in Jerusalem by one of his followers, Judas Iscariot. Matthew writes, [Mt 27.5-10] And throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, [Judas] departed... But, the chief priests, taking the silver, said, ""It isn't lawful for us to put it in the treasury, since it is blood money."" So they... bought a potter's field with it to bury strangers in... Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, ""And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him on whom a price had been set by some of the sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter's field, as the lord directed me."" This prophecy is an utterly gross bastardisation of Old Testament Scripture. First, Matthew has made a mistake regarding the name of the prophet. It is Zechariah who utters the verses which Matthew makes use of. [Zech. 11.12-13] ...And they weighed out my wages, thirty shekels of silver. Then YHVH said to me, ""Cast them to the treasury,"" --the lordly price at which I was paid off by them. So I took the thirty shekels of silver and cast them into the treasury in the house of YHVH. First of all, the verses of Zechariah do not deal with a betrayer of the messiah, or of G'd. The deal with a shepherd, most likely a priest, chosen to serve a function of presiding over the people shortly before G'd would send Judah and Israel into conflict with one another. The word, ""treasury,"" had been replaced by the King James Scholars with ""to the potter,"" precisely because this made Matthew's quote fit better. But, this is a blatant error. The correct translation of the Hebrew is indeed ""treasury,"" which also makes perfect sense in Zechariah's context, whereas ""potter's field"" is totally unrelated. Whether the mistranslation was intentional or not seems to be beyond speculation. However, given Matthew's track record, one finds it hard to resist the notion of intentional dishonesty. Of course, Matthew would have ample reason for altering the text. The thirty pieces of silver match Judas's situation, and if as most Christians seem to be, the reader is willing to disregard the contextual incongruity, Matthew might have another prophecy to toss around. However, the correct translation of Zechariah directly contradicts the situation with Judas and the high priests. The high priests would not put the money in the treasury. The worthless shepherd of Zechariah does exactly the opposite! Of course, to the average Thursday-Night Bible student, the ""prophecy"" as presented by Matthew would be taken at New Testament face value. To those, Matthew's work is convincing enough. Wine, Vinegar, & Casting Lots: Then, Jesus is led away to be crucified. [Mt 27.34-35] ...they gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it. And, when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots: that it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet, ""They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots."" First of all, the vinegar offered to Jesus is actually common sour wine, of the type that Roman soldiers drank regularly. We find that right before Jesus dies, the soldiers themselves give him some to drink --not polluted with gall. [Jn 19.28-30] Jesus... said, ""I thirst."" A bowl of vinegar stood there, so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he had received the vinegar, he said, ""It is finished;"" But, Matthew seems to be drawing on, not a passage from the prophets, but one from the Psalms. [Ps 69.20-28] I looked for pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food (lit. they put gall in my meat), and for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink... Add to them punishment upon punishment, may they have no acquittal from thee. Let them be blotted out of the Book of the Living. Of course, the sour wine offered to Jesus is done at his request of drink. This does indeed seem to be a show of pity. The psalm quoted is about David and his political and military enemies. It is not about the messiah or Jesus. It is then not surprising that we run into further problem when we see that the ""Jesus"" in the psalm asks G'd for the damnation of the ""crucifiers,"" whereas the Jesus of the gospels says, [Lk 23.34] Jesus said, ""Father, forgive them, the don't know what they do!"" Further, Matthew misses with his attempt to create prophecy by having gall (a bitter substance) put into Jesus's drink, not his meat, as the psalm stipulates. With the ""prophecy"" of the vinegar faulty, we naturally ask, ""What of the casting of lots?"" This brings up the 22nd Psalm, which deserves discussion all by itself. Suffice it now to say that the fact that Jesus's clothes were divided as told is no great thing. It turns out that this happened often to any felon in those days. As we will soon see, it is perhaps the least erroneous passage of the psalm when applied to Jesus. It does indeed bring up the interesting question as to the quality of Jesus's clothes. For a man so removed from worldly possessions, his ownership of clothes worthy of casting lots raises some suspicions. The 22nd Psalm: This psalm is attributed to David, as a lament of his condition under the attack of his enemies. It becomes a song of praise to YHVH and of hope. Taken out of context, parts of it seem to fit the plight of Jesus at the crucifixion quite well. We will examine the primary passages. Verse 1-2: My god, my god! why have you forsaken me?! Why are you so far from helping me, far from the words of my groaning? Oh, my god, I cry by day, but you don't answer, and by night, but find no rest. Jesus is said to have cried the first sentence while on the cross. This suggests that the whole psalm is really about Jesus, rather than king David. Of course, the rest of the first stanza does not fit as nicely to Jesus or his execution. Jesus is not pictured as complaining about the whole ordeal, he is supposed to be like ""the lamb led mute before its shearers."" Indeed, Jesus doesn't do much groaning, even when on the cross. He certainly does not cry by both day and night on the cross. 6-8: But, I am a worm, and no man-- scorned by men... All who see me mock at me. They make faces and wag their heads; ""He committed his cause to YHVH. So let him deliver him... for he delights in him."" This seems to fit Jesus's execution pretty well, with the exception of the Holy messiah being called a worm. 12-13: Many bulls encompass me... they open their mouths widely at me like a ravening and roaring lion. 16-18: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of evildoers encir-cle me, they have pierced my hands and feet. I can see all my bones... They divide my garments among them, and cast lost for my raiment. 19-21: But you, YHVH, be not far away! ...Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion, and my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild bull! It would seem quite convincing, and I'm sure the early Christian fathers who wrote of this prophecy thought so too. Unfortunately, this prophecy has a fatal flaw. The words ""have pierced"" really do not exist in the psalm. The correct Hebrew translation is, 16: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of evildoers encircles me, like the lion, they are at my hands and feet... In Hebrew the phrase ""like the lion"" and a very rare verb form which can mean ""pierced"" differ by one phonetic character. The word in the Hebrew text is literally, ""like the lion"" (ka'ari), which makes sense in the context, and even further fits the animal imagery employed by the psalm writer. It is convenience that would urge a Christian to change the word to ""ka'aru."" But, to add the needed (yet artificial) weight to the ""prophecy"" this is just what the Christian translators have chosen to do. While the correct translation does not eliminate the psalm from referring to Jesus, its absence does not say much for the honesty of the translators. Apart from the erroneous verse 16, the psalm does not lend itself to Jesus so easily. Verse 20 speaks of the sufferer being saved from a sword rather than a cross. This naturally fits the psalm's true subject, king David. As a side note, we now know that crucifixions did not pierce the hands, the palms, but rather the forearms. This doesn't say much in favour of the traditional thought of a resurrected Jesus showing his disciples the scars on his palms. But then, facts aren't bound by our religious beliefs. Matthew escapes culpability this time, as he does not attempt to draw many direct links between this psalm and his lord Jesus. But the psalm, like many others, was on the minds of all the gospel writers when they compiled the stories and interpretations of Jesus's life and death. How much these scriptures may have contributed to what actually got written down is a question that has serious repercussions for Christian theology. It is easy to see, for those who are not faithful fundamentalists, how some of the events in the New Testament might have been ""enhanced"" by scribes such as the eager Matthew. But, it does less to speculate than to simply investigate scriptural matters and prophetic claims. So far, this has not said good things for St. Matthew. The reference to the piercing looks a lot like Jesus's crucifixion. John's gospel recount, written about 70 years after the fact, tells us at Jesus's execution, [Jn 19.34,37] But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and out came blood and water... these things took place that Scripture be fulfilled... ""The will look on him whom they've pierced."" Of course, this is built on a passage taken blatantly out of context. Prophet Zechariah tells us how much of the nation of Israel will split off from Jerusalem and Judah and go to war with them. [Zc 12.7-10] And YHVH will give victory to Judah... And on that day, I will seek to destroy the nations that come against Jerusalem (in Judah). And I will pour a spirit of compassion and supplication... on Jerusalem so that when they look on him who they have pierced, they will mourn, and weep bitterly over him like you weep over a firstborn child. John's attempt to make up prophecy is perhaps weaker that Matthew's attempts. Matthew, at least, usually excontexts more than just one passage. John's errors are grossly obvious and blatant here. It does not speak well for any of the gospel writers, as it helps to show how the prophetic aspects of their religion were founded. Reckoned with Transgressors: After his arrest, Jesus is quickly executed for claiming the Jewish kingship, messiahship. According to one version of the gospel tale, Jesus gets executed along with two thieves. [Mk 15.27] And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right, one on his left. And so the scripture was fulfilled which says, ""He was reckoned with the transgressors."" Here, Mark is trying to link Jesus to a passage in Isaiah 53, about the servant nation of Israel. The passage is not about the messiah, for if one reads the whole chapter of Isaiah 53, and its surrounding chapters, one sees that the servant is a nation. The verses are also about what this servant has gone through in the past, not a prediction of what is to come, in any event. The servant is thought of as a criminal. This also happens to fit the description of Jesus. Had the passage really been about the messiah, it still is not at all clear why executing Jesus between two thieves would fulfill the ""prophecy"" in Isaiah. Jesus would more fittingly fulfill it with his whole ministry. He was considered a blasphemer and troublemaker all throughout his career. Locking onto a single event is a rather poor way to steal prophecy, at least in this case, as we see that Mark could have had made a better analogy with general comparisons. Mark goes on to tell us how ""those who were crucified with [Jesus] also reviled him."" [15.32] This is to be expected from a couple of robbers. Of course in his later recount, St. Luke decides to change some things. Luke tells us, [Lk 23.39-43] And one of the criminals who was hanged with him railed, ""Aren't you the messiah?! Save yourself, and us!"" This certainly fits with Mark's recount, which tells how the people who crucified Jesus said, ""Save yourself!"" and that the robbers did the same. But then Luke goes on, But the other [criminal] rebuked [the first] saying, ""Don't you fear G'd, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we, indeed justly so, for we are receiving the due reward for our deeds. But, this man has done nothing wrong. And he said, ""Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom."" And Jesus answered, ""Verily I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."" Now, this little dialogue seems highly contrived. It stretches the imagination a bit to see this picture of one ruffian rebuking his fellow criminal with such eloquent speech. We have a rather strange picture of a criminal lamenting over the goodness of his punishment and the justness of his suffering. Such a man, apparently noble and of principle, doesn't seem likely to have been a robber. We wonder at the amount of theatrics created by Luke. Of course, Luke's recount also disagrees with Mark's. Luke has only one criminal revile Jesus, not both. It is easy enough to discount the discrepancy because the account was made up, but those who wish to believe it is all part of the error free words of G'd do not have this avenue open. This is yet another example of a writer trying to take an Old Testament passage and expand it and reinterpret it to suit his theology. In this case, the embroidery creates some embarrassing problems, as we have seen. The End of the World-- Mt. 24: Now comes perhaps one of the most extraordinary and embarrassing passages in the New Testament. It is found in all three of the synoptic gospel stories, and casts some of the most unfavourable doubt on the whole theory of Christianity. Jesus mentions the destruction of the Jewish temples and buildings, and his disciples ask him about this, and about the end of the world which he has been warning about. The disciples: Tell us, when will this [the temple's destruction] be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the close of the age? Jesus: Take care that no one leads you astray, for many will come in my name, saying, ""I am the christ."" ...you will hear of wars and rumours of wars... for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For, nation will rise against nation... all this is but the beginning of the birthpangs. They will deliver you up... put you to death, and false prophets will arise and lead many astray. ...But he who endures to the end will be saved. This gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, a testimony to the nations, and then the end will come. So, when you see the desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, ...let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened... the stars will fall from heaven... then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and see the Son of Man coming... and he will send out his angels... and gather his elect... Learn the lesson of the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, at the very gate. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place... But, of the day and hour, no one knows; not the angels, not the Son, but only the Father... Therefore, you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. From this, it is clear that Jesus thought the world would in within the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples. He tells them that although he doesn't know the exact day or hour, that it will come, and thus they must be ready. Theologians have wet their pants in panic to find some way out of this Holy Error. But, unfortunately, Jesus made himself to explicit. He told his disciples that their generation would still be around at the End, and that they in particular should prepare for it, prepare to be swept away. There have been some who resorted to removing the inerrant nature of the Bible, and said that the phrase, ""this generation shall not pass away..."" really means ""this race of people will not pass away..."" Of course, the word for generation is used many times to refer to exactly that, the generation of the disciples. It is an interesting notion that when God decided to learn Greek, he didn't learn it well enough to make himself clear. But. it is quite obvious from the rest of the dialogue that the disciples (at least some of them) are supposed to live to the End of the World. The charge of mistranslation is completely blown away by looking at the Apostles' responses. It becomes abundantly clear from Rev. 22.7, 1 Peter 4.7, 1 John 2.18, and Rev. 22.20, that Jesus meant exactly what he said. The End was very near. For 2,000 years, Christians have rationalised this 24th chapter of Matthew, or ignored its meaning altogether. For 2,000 years, they have waited for their executed leader to come back, hearing of wars, and rumours of wars, sure that He is coming soon. Surely He must be. All we must do is wait. Can you imagine how tired He must be, sitting around up there, being holy, waiting for just the right moment to spring? So, shortly after his crucifixion, Jesus of Nazareth, (Joshua-ben-Joseph), died. It is said that after three days, or three days and three nights, or three periods of time, or three eternal seconds --or three of whatever they can decide makes for less trouble-- he was seen again, resurrected, glowing with divine radiance. Then the Saviour decided it wasn't in the best interests of his new religion to stick around, and therefore disappeared from sight into heaven. So the story goes, anyway. As has been seen, there were many things attributed to Jesus when people got around to writing the gospel stories down. To them, Jesus was the fulfiller of all prophecy and scripture. We have seen, though, that this matter is quite shaky. But, throughout Church history, Christians have held fast to faith, in simple belief. What doctrinal objections could not be solved with argumentation or brute force, faith and forgetfulness kept away from question. To question and investigate has never been the easiest way to treat matters. Thus for 2,000 years, the prophecies cited in the New Testament have gone on largely accepted. Things may well continue that way for some time. Pausing a moment to consider the way the doctrines of Christianity have been accepted and used (properly or improperly) to support wars and persecution, I suppose there is one prophecy of which Christianity can securely keep hold. [Mt 10.34] Jesus: ""Don't think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I haven't come to bring peace, but rather a sword."" " 4755,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Questions about ""non-initiated force"" Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article rcollins@encore.com writes: >In article <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >|> ...you don't specify the means through which the government >|> is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a >|> left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as >|> you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto >|> dealers. >|> >|> But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms, >|> to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws, >|> and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a >|> particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special >|> interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly >|> designed to accomplish the opposite. > >...If government is not allowed to >use ""non-initiated force"" to achieve its goals, than no special interest >can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. Fine. Libertarians and anarchists are not alone in being uncomfortable with the use of state sponsored coercion. The notion that coercion can be virtually eliminated in a society (or more properly that once it is eliminated on the part of the state it is no longer worth serious consideration) is a view that is peculiar to libertarians and anarchists. For example, does ""non-initiated force"" (coercion) include tax collection? Does it include the minimal level of regulation of commerce envisioned by Adam Smith? Since coercion can be exercised by actors other than the state, how is the state to deal with it? Exclusively through after the fact arbitration/legal compulsion? > >The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic >which I'll address briefly. It certainly won't happen until >libertarianism is the dominate philosophy. What means do we have to >make libertarianism the dominate philosophy? Statists run the education >monopoly, so we have to be creative. The Advocates for Self-Government >reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants ""embrace"" libertarianism. >That's the best means I've seen yet. We should lobby for compulsory >Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!] Well, I must admit that the picture of libertarians as Amway participants is somewhat more reassuring than the idea of them trying to govern a complex, conflictual, industrial society. I'd venture to point out, however, that if libertarians couldn't convince at least 85% of a group of ""seminar participants"" to ""embrace"" their philosophy, their propaganda skills need to be honed. Frankly, however, it is no great trick to create a government for a society in which (almost) everyone is assumed to agree about what is a proper government policy. Once that is assumed, all sorts of annoying formalities can be dispensed with, elections, police, etc. And as Mr. Marx said, the state will just wither away. On the way there, however, would you like to explain how eliminating virtually all policies that restrain private coercion in the current society will help us to live happier lives? Or is it like socialism; just some short-term pain that we'll have to bear until everyone has had the benefit of ""re-education"" through regular ""seminar"" training? jsh > >Roger Collins -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 4756,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr23.155313.4220@dazixco.ingr.com> jbreed@ingr.com writes: >|> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about >|> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent >|> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. > >Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block >sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block >our view of them either. What am I missing? You're assuming that their normal rotation carries all areas of the surface into sunlight. Not so. Even on Earth, each pole gets several weeks without sunlight in mid-winter. Pluto and Charon have much more extreme axial tilt and a much longer orbit. Pluto's north pole, for example, gets over a century of darkness followed by over a century of perpetual light. At the moment, we're in luck -- Pluto and Charon are just past their equinox, when the Sun was just on the horizon at both poles (of each). If we get probes there soon, only the immediate vicinity of one pole (on each) will be in long-term shadow. This will get steadily worse the longer we wait. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 4757,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 70 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: > : In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve > : Manes) writes: > : [...] > : > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO > : > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun > : > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More > : > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) > : > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National > : > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs > : > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). > : > > > : You're a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them > : to be superior. I'm not aware of using any numbers from the ozone, unless you consider those I got from you to be such. > > I've made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any > posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information. > It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while > others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that > you've confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize. > Yes, You state the reference, and then YOU claim it's a good or fair treatment. > : then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying > > Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've ""twisted > numbers."" On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have > any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar > gratuitous shots at? > You fail to see the differences between absolute numbers and rates. > : to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population > : differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might > : attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for ""emphasis, not > : comparison""? Emphasis of what? > > Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim. > No, you just miss the point. By your methods, I can prove gun control to be a total failure. New York's total homocide count, with it's strict gun control, is MUCH higher than Rhode Island's, with it's less strict gun control. FAR more folks are killed in New York, than Rhode Island. Therefore, according to Mane Logic(tm), gun control has made New York a much more dangerous place than Rhode Island. Remember, it's ""Nitpicking"" and ""a whiney debating style"" to point out the differences between New York and Rhode Island that might defeat my argument. > : Anything else is blowing smoke. > > You seddit, brudda. Now you agree? Wow, a break-through! > > -- > Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com > Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o -- Jim " 4758,15,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Lines: 122 In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess absolute certianty about their beliefs and doctrines. That is, many Christians insist that they CANNOT have made any mistakes when discovering their beliefs, which amounts to saying that they are infallible. Impicitly claiming to be infallible is pretty arrogant, most of us will probably agree. In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect. So long as your own brain is involved, there is a possibility for error. I summarised the problem by writing ""There is no way out of the loop."" Someone called `REXLEX' has claimed that there IS a way out of the loop, but he did not bother to explain what it was, preferring instead to paraphrase Sartre, ramble about Wittgenstein, and say that the conclusion of my argument leads to relativism. As I have explained to him before, you cannot reject an argument as false because you dislike where it leads: the facts do not change just because you dislike them. `REXLEX' wrote: > I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because if it is > taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair. However, as any first-year philosophy student can explain, what `REXLEX' has written does not constitute a refutation. All he has said is that he does not like what I wrote -- he has done nothing at all to dispute it. * There were two sentences in `REXLEX's post that seemed relevant to the point at hand: > There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be > experienced and it is verifiable. I do not dispute that some truths can be verified through experience. I have, for example, direct experience of adding numbers. I don't claim to be infallible at it -- in fact I remember doing sums incorrectly -- but I do claim that I have direct experience of reasoning about numbers. However, once we go past experiencing things and start reasoning about them, we are on much shakier ground. That was the point of the earlier article. Human brains are infested with sin, and they can only be trusted in very limited circumstances. > It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute > about a thing. But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears. For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, and that Jesus said, exactly, ""This is my body."" We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much. At the moment he stops speaking, and people start interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean that literally or not? We do not have any record that he elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con- substatiation? He didn't say. We interpret this passage using our brains; we think and reason and draw conclusions. But we know that our brains are not perfect: our thinking often leads us wrong. (This is something that most of us have direct experience of. 8-) Why should anyone believe that his reasoning -- which he knows to be fallible -- can lead him to perfect conclusions? So, given the assumptions in this example, what we can be certain of is that Jesus said ""This is my body."" Beyond that, once we start making up doctrines and using our brains to reason about what Christ revealed, we get into trouble. Unless you are infallible, there are very few things you can be certain of. To the extent that doctrines rely on fallible human thinking, they cannot be certain. That is the problem of seeming arrogant. The non-Christians around us know that human beings make mistakes, just as surely as we know it. They do not believe we are infallible, any more than we do. When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when the person you are talking to believes that you are either too foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying to cover them up. I think it would be far better to say what things we are certain of and what things we are only ""very confident"" of. For example, we might say that we know our sin, for recognising sin is something we directly experience. But other things, whether based on reasoning from Scripture or extra-Biblical thinking, should not be labled as infallible: we should say that we are very confident of them, and be ready to explain our reasoning. But, so far as I am aware, none of us is infallible -- speaking or acting as if our thinking is flawless is ridiculous. * `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though, so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon " 4759,1,"From: u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (jih-shin ho) Subject: disp135 [0/7] Organization: National Chiao Tung University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 285 I have posted disp135.zip to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities ****** You may distribute this program freely for non-commercial use if no fee is gained. ****** There is no warranty. The author is not responsible for any damage caused by this program. Important changes since version 1.30: Fix bugs in file management system (file displaying). Improve file management system (more user-friendly). Fix bug in XPM version 3 reading. Fix bugs in TARGA reading/writng. Fix bug in GEM/IMG reading. Add support for PCX and GEM/IMG writing. Auto-skip macbinary header. (1) Introduction: This program can let you READ, WRITE and DISPLAY images with different formats. It also let you do some special effects(ROTATION, DITHERING ....) on image. Its main purpose is to let you convert image among different formts. Include simple file management system. Support 'slide show'. There is NO LIMIT on image size. Currently this program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display. If you want to use HiColor or TrueColor, you must have VESA driver. If you want to modify video driver, please read section (8). (2) Hardware Requirement: PC 386 or better. MSDOS 3.3 or higher. min amount of ram is 4M bytes(Maybe less memory will also work). (I recommend min 8M bytes for better performance). Hard disk for swapping(virtual memory). The following description is borrowed from DJGPP. Supported Wares: * Up to 128M of extended memory (expanded under VCPI) * Up to 128M of disk space used for swapping * SuperVGA 256-color mode up to 1024x768 * 80387 * XMS & VDISK memory allocation strategies * VCPI programs, such as QEMM, DESQview, and 386MAX Unsupported: * DPMI * Microsoft Windows Features: 80387 emulator, 32-bit unix-ish environment, flat memory model, SVGA graphics. (3) Installation: Video drivers, emu387 and go32.exe are borrowed from DJGPP. (If you use Western Digital VGA chips, read readme.wd) (This GO32.EXE is a modified version for vesa and is COMPLETELY compatible with original version) + *** But some people report that this go32.exe is not compatible with + other DJGPP programs in their system. If you encounter this problem, + DON'T put go32.exe within search path. *** Please read runme.bat for how to run this program. If you choose xxxxx.grn as video driver, add 'nc 256' to environment GO32. For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grn nc 256 If you don't have 80x87, add 'emu x:/xxxxx/emu387' to environment GO32. For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grd emu x:/xxxxx/emu387 **** Notes: 1. I only test tr8900.grn, et4000.grn and vesa.grn. Other drivers are not tested. 2. I have modified et4000.grn to support 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display. You don't need to use vesa driver. If et4000.grn doesn't work, please try vesa.grn. 3. For those who want to use HiColor or TrueColor display, please use vesa.grn(except et4000 users). You can find vesa BIOS driver from : wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/graphics godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au: /kjb/MGL (4) Command Line Switch: + Usage : display [-d|--display initial_display_type] + [-s|--sort sort_method] + [-h|-?] Display type: 8(SVGA,default), 15, 16(HiColor), 24(TrueColor) + Sort method: 'name', 'ext' (5) Function Key: F2 : Change disk drive + CTRL-A -- CTRL-Z : change disk drive. F3 : Change filename mask (See match.doc) F4 : Change parameters F5 : Some effects on picture, eg. flip, rotate .... F7 : Make Directory t : Tag file + : Tag group files (See match.doc) T : Tag all files u : Untag file - : Untag group files (See match.doc) U : Untag all files Ins : Change display type (8,15,16,24) in 'read' & 'screen' menu. F6,m,M : Move file(s) F8,d,D : Delete file(s) r,R : Rename file c,C : Copy File(s) z,Z : Display first 10 bytes in Ascii, Hex and Dec modes. + f,F : Display disk free space. Page Up/Down : Move one page TAB : Change processing target. Arrow keys, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down: Scroll image. Home: Left Most. End: Right Most. Page Up: Top Most. Page Down: Bottom Most. in 'screen' & 'effect' menu : Left,Right arrow: Change display type(8, 15, 16, 24 bits) s,S : Slide Show. ESCAPE to terminate. ALT-X : Quit program without prompting. + ALT-A : Reread directory. Escape : Abort function and return. (6) Support Format: Read: GIF(.gif), Japan MAG(.mag), Japan PIC(.pic), Sun Raster(.ras), Jpeg(.jpg), XBM(.xbm), Utah RLE(.rle), PBM(.pbm), PGM(.pgm), PPM(.ppm), PM(.pm), PCX(.pcx), Japan MKI(.mki), Tiff(.tif), Targa(.tga), XPM(.xpm), Mac Paint(.mac), GEM/IMG(.img), IFF/ILBM(.lbm), Window BMP(.bmp), QRT ray tracing(.qrt), Mac PICT(.pct), VIS(.vis), PDS(.pds), VIKING(.vik), VICAR(.vic), FITS(.fit), Usenix FACE(.fac). the extensions in () are standard extensions. Write: GIF, Sun Raster, Jpeg, XBM, PBM, PGM, PPM, PM, Tiff, Targa, XPM, Mac Paint, Ascii, Laser Jet, IFF/ILBM, Window BMP, + Mac PICT, VIS, FITS, FACE, PCX, GEM/IMG. All Read/Write support full color(8 bits), grey scale, b/w dither, and 24 bits image, if allowed for that format. (7) Detail: Initialization: Set default display type to highest display type. Find allowable screen resolution(for .grn video driver only). 1. When you run this program, you will enter 'read' menu. Whthin this menu you can press any function key except F5. If you move or copy files, you will enter 'write' menu. the 'write' menu is much like 'read' menu, but only allow you to change directory. + The header line in 'read' menu includes ""(d:xx,f:xx,t:xx)"". + d : display type. f: number of files. t: number of tagged files. pressing SPACE in 'read' menu will let you select which format to use for reading current file. pressing RETURN in 'read' menu will let you reading current file. This program will automatically determine which format this file is. The procedure is: First, check magic number. If fail, check standard extension. Still fail, report error. pressing s or S in 'read' menu will do 'Slide Show'. If delay time is 0, program will wait until you hit a key (except ESCAPE). If any error occurs, program will make a beep. ESCAPE to terminate. pressing Ins in 'read' menu will change display type. pressing ALT-X in 'read' menu will quit program without prompting. 2. Once image file is successfully read, you will enter 'screen' menu. Within this menu F5 is turn on. You can do special effect on image. pressing RETURN: show image. in graphic mode, press RETURN, SPACE or ESCAPE to return to text mode. pressing TAB: change processing target. This program allows you to do special effects on 8-bit or 24-bit image. pressing Left,Right arrow: change display type. 8, 15, 16, 24 bits. pressing SPACE: save current image to file. B/W Dither: save as black/white image(1 bit). Grey Scale: save as grey image(8 bits). Full Color: save as color image(8 bits). True Color: save as 24-bit image. This program will ask you some questions if you want to write image to file. Some questions are format-dependent. Finally This program will prompt you a filename. If you want to save file under another directory other than current directory, please press SPACE. after pressing SPACE, you will enter 'write2' menu. You can change directory to what you want. Then, pressing SPACE: this program will prompt you 'original' filename. pressing RETURN: this program will prompt you 'selected' filename (filename under bar). 3. This program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display. 4. This Program is MEMORY GREEDY. If you don't have enough memory, the performance is poor. 5. If you want to save 8 bits image : try GIF then TIFF(LZW) then TARGA then Sun Raster then BMP then ... If you want to save 24 bits image (lossless): try TIFF(LZW) or TARGA or ILBM or Sun Raster (No one is better for true 24bits image) 6. I recommend Jpeg for storing 24 bits images, even 8 bits images. 7. Not all subroutines are fully tested 8. This document is not well written. If you have any PROBLEM, SUGGESTION, COMMENT about this program, Please send to u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.11.13). I need your suggestion to improve this program. (There is NO anonymous ftp on this site) (8) Tech. information: Program (user interface and some subroutines) written by Jih-Shin Ho. Some subroutines are borrowed from XV(2.21) and PBMPLUS(dec 91). Tiff(V3.2) and Jpeg(V4) reading/writing are through public domain libraries. Compiled with DJGPP. You can get whole DJGPP package from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites. For example, wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/djgpp (9) For Thoese who want to modify video driver: 1. get GRX source code from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites. 2. For HiColor and TrueColor: 15 bits : # of colors is set to 32768. 16 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc010. 24 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc018. Acknowledgment: I would like to thank the authors of XV and PBMPLUS for their permission to let me use their subroutines. Also I will thank the authors who write Tiff and Jpeg libraries. Thank DJ. Without DJGPP I can't do any thing on PC. Jih-Shin Ho u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw " 4760,10,"From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Lines: 37 In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > > > Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter >of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on >NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: > >Canadians: 400 >Americans: 100 >Europeans: 100 > > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that Euro-blooded boy back!!! Sheesh. > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. > > I just don't want them on mine. I don't think it would be hard to find some Native Americans (or Native Canadians, for that matter) who would dispute your claim to this great continent of *ours.* Ya see, if you believe the anthropologists, we're *all* immigrants of some sort. If you really don't think that Mogilny, Bure, Selanne, et al have improved the NHL, then I'm not sure you understand the game. -- ****************************************************************************** Dan Lyddy daniell@cory.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley ""No, I don't play hockey. Not too many brothers do."" -- Deion Sanders " 4761,15,"From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Subject: NATIONAL DAY Of PRAYER Reply-To: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 54 The N A T I O N A L D A Y o f P R A Y E R 6 M A Y 1 9 9 3 IMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM; : : : JOIN AMERICA IN PRAYER TO: : : : : * Acknowledge our dependence upon God; : : : : * Give thanks for His many blessings; : : : : * Ask God to guide our leaders and to : : bring healing, reconciliation and whole- : : ness to our nation and all its people. : : : HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM< OUR FOUNDING FATHERS SAID... George Washington: ""I now make it my earnest prayer that God... (A.D. 1783) would be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with charity and humility, and a pacific temper of mind, which were characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of Whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation."" John Adams: ""It must be felt that there is no national security (A.D. 1853) but in the nation's humble, acknowledged dependence upon God and His overruling providence."" Abraham Lincoln: ""It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, (A.D. 1863) to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions...and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord..."" NOTE: You can join with people in your area in observing the NATIONAL DAY Of PRAYER. To learn who is affiliated with the Concerts Of Prayer group in your area, contact: Mr. Barry Garred, Coordinator P.O. Box 6637 Springdale, ARkansas 72766 VOICE: (501) 756-8421 FAX: (501) 756-0131 " 4762,5,"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Subject: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Opening (1 of 2) Keywords: ioccc Article-I.D.: toad.32194 Expires: 7 May 93 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: chongo@toad.com.UUCP (Landon C. Noll) Distribution: world Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 850 Enclosed are the rules, guidelines and related information for the 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest. (This is part 1 of a 2 part shar file). Enjoy! chongo /\oo/\ Larry Bassel =-= #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (shar 3.32) # made 03/01/1993 12:01 UTC by chongo@toad.com # Source directory /tmp # # existing files WILL be overwritten # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 8585 -r--r--r-- rules # 25375 -r--r--r-- guidelines # 33961 -r--r--r-- mkentry.c # 6257 -r--r--r-- obfuscate.info # # ============= rules ============== echo ""x - extracting rules (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > rules && X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Rules X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure. X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: his emotions obfuscated his X judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. X obfuscatory adj. X X XGOALS OF THE CONTEST: X X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) X X XRULES: X X To help us with the volume of entries, we ask that you follow these rules: X X 1) Your entry must be a complete program. X X 2) Your entry must be <= 3217 bytes in length. The number of characters X excluding whitespace (tab, space, newline), and excluding any ; { or } X followed by either whitespace or end of file, must be <= 1536. X X 3) Your entry must be submitted in the following format: X X---entry--- Xrule: 1993 Xfix: y or n (n => this is a new entry, y => this replaces an older entry) Xtitle: title of entry (see comments below) Xentry: Entry number from 0 to 7 inclusive (your 1st entry should by 0) Xdate: Date/time of submission in UTC (see comments below) Xhost: Machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested X Use tab indented lines if needed X---remark--- X Place remarks about this entry in this section. It would be helpful if X you were to indent your remarks with 4 spaces, though it is not a X requirement. Also, if possible, try to avoid going beyond the 79th X column. Blank lines are permitted. X---author--- Xname: your name Xorg: School/Company/Organization Xaddr: postal address X use tab indented lines to continue X don't forget to include the country Xemail: Email address from a well known site or registered domain. X If you give several forms, list them on separate tab indented lines. Xanon: y or n (y => remain anonymous, n => ok to publish this info) X---info--- XIf your program needs an info file, place a uuencoded copy of it in Xthis section. In the case of multiple info files, use multiple info Xsections. If your entry does not need a info file, skip this section. X---build--- XPlace a uuencoded copy of the command(s) used to compile/build your program Xin this section. It must uudecode into a file named 'build'. The resulting Xfile must be 255 bytes or less. X---program--- XPlace a uuencoded copy of your program in this section. It must uudecode Xinto a file named is 'prog.c'. The resulting file must follow rule #2. X---end--- X X Regarding the above format: X X * The title must match the expression: [a-zA-Z0-9_=][a-zA-Z0-9_=+-]* X and must be 1 to 12 characters in length. X X It is suggested, but not required, that the title should X incorporate your username; in the case of multiple authors, X consider using parts of the usernames of the authors. X X * The date in the ---entry--- section should be given with respect X to UTC. The format of the date should be as returned by asctime() X using the C locale. (see guidelines for more info) X X * You may correct/revise a previously submitted entry by sending X it to the contest email address. Be sure to set 'fix' in the X ---entry--- section to 'n'. The corrected entry must use the same X title and entry number as submittion that is being corrected. Be X sure that you note the resubmittion in the ---remark--- as well. X X * With the exception of the header, all text outside of the above X format may be ignored by the judges. If you need tell the judges X something, put it in the ---remark--- section, or send a separate X Email message to the judges. X X * Information from the ---author--- section will be published unless X 'y' was given to the respective author's 'anon' line. X X * To credit multiple authors, include an ---author--- section for X each author. Each should start with ---author--- line, and X should be found between the ---entry--- and ---build--- sections. X X * The entry's remarks should include: X - what this program does X - how to run the program (sample args or input) X - special compile or execution instructions, if any X - special filename requirements (see rule 4 and 5) X - information about any ---data--- files X - why you think the program is obfuscated X - note if this entry is a re-submission of a previous entry. X - any other remarks (humorous or otherwise) X X * Do not rot13 your entry's remarks. You may suggest that certain X portions of your remarks be rot13ed if your entry wins an award. X X * Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. They X should not be required to exist. X X If your entry does not need an info file, skip the ---info--- X section. If your entry needs multiple info files, use multiple X ---info--- sections, one per info file. You should describe X each info file in the ---remark--- section. X X 4) If your entry is selected as a winner, it will be modified as follows: X X 'build' is incorporated into a makefile, and 'build' is removed X 'prog.c' is renamed to your entry's title, followed by an optional X digit, followed by '.c' X your entry is compiled into a file with the name of your entry's X title, possibly followed by a digit X X If your entry requires that a build file exist, state so in your X entry's remark section. The makefile will be arranged to execute a X build shell script containing the 'build' information. The name of X this build shell script will be your entry's title, possibly followed X by a digit, followed by '.sh'. X X If needed, your entry's remarks should indicate how your entry must X be changed in order to deal with the new filenames. X X 5) The build file, the source and the resulting executable should be X treated as read-only files. If your entry needs to modify these files, X it should make and modify a copy of the appropriate file. If this X occurs, state so in your entry's remarks. X X 6) Entries that cannot be compiled by an ANSI C compiler will be rejected. X Use of common C (K&R + extensions) is permitted, as long as it does not X cause compile errors for ANSI C compilers. X X 7) The program must be of original work. All programs must be in the X public domain. All copyrighted programs will be rejected. X X 8) Entries must be received prior to 07-May-93 0:00 UTC. (UTC is X essentially equivalent to Greenwich Mean Time) Email your entries to: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate X obfuscate@toad.com X X We request that your message use the subject 'ioccc entry'. X X If possible, we request that you hold off on Emailing your entries X until 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. Early entries will be accepted, however. X We will attempt to email a confirmation to the the first author for X all entries received after 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. X X 9) Each person may submit up to 8 entries per contest year. Each entry X must be sent in a separate Email letter. X X 10) Entries requiring human interaction to be built are not allowed. X Compiling an entry produce a file (or files) which may be executed. X X 11) Programs that require special privileges (setuid, setgid, super-user, X special owner or group) are not allowed. X X XFOR MORE INFORMATION: X X The Judging will be done by Landon Noll and Larry Bassel. Please send X questions or comments (but not entries) about the contest, to: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges X judges@toad.com X X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines X prior to submitting entries. To obtain all 3 of them, send Email X to the address above and use the subject 'send rules'. X X One may also obtain them via anonymous ftp from: X X host: ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9) X user: anonymous X pass: yourname@yourhost X dir: /pub/ioccc X X Xchongo /\cc/\ hoptoad!chongo XLarry Bassel {uunet,ucbvax,cbosgd}|sun!lab SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 rules || echo ""restore of rules failed"" set `wc -c rules`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""8585""; then echo original size 8585, current size $Wc_c fi # ============= guidelines ============== echo ""x - extracting guidelines (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > guidelines && X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Guidelines, Hints and Comments X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X XABOUT THIS FILE: X X This file is intended to help people who wish to submit entries to X the International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC for short). X X This is not the IOCCC rules, though it does contain comments about X them. The guidelines should be viewed as hints and suggestions. X Entries that violate the guidelines but remain within the rules are X allowed. Even so, you are safer if you remain within the guidelines. X X You should read the current IOCCC rules, prior to submitting entries. X The rules are typically sent out with these guidelines. X X XWHAT IS NEW IN 1993: X X The entry format is better (for us anyway). The program mkentry.c X has been updated. See ENTRY FORMAT. X X We will reject entries that cannot be compiled using an ANSI C X compiler. Certain old Obfuscation hacks that cause ANSI C compilers X fits are no longer permitted. Some of the new issues deal with X non-integral array types, variable number of arguments, C preprocessor X directives and the exit() function. See OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES. X X XHINTS AND SUGGESTIONS: X X You are encouraged to examine the winners of previous contests. See X FOR MORE INFORMATION for details on how to get previous winners. X X Keep in mind that rules change from year to year, so some winning entries X may not be valid entries this year. What was unique and novel one year X might be 'old' the next year. X X An entry is usually examined in a number of ways. We typically apply X a number of tests to an entry: X X * look at the original source X * convert ANSI tri-graphs to ASCII X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#include' lines X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#define' and '#include' lines X * run it through a C beautifier X * examine the algorithm X * lint it X * compile it X * execute it X X You should consider how your entry looks in each of the above tests. X You should ask yourself if your entry remains obscure after it has been X 'cleaned up' by the C pre-processor and a C beautifier. X X Your entry need not do well under all, or in most tests. In certain X cases, a test is not important. Entries that compete for the X 'strangest/most creative source layout' need not do as well as X others in terms of their algorithm. On the other hand, given X two such entries, we are more inclined to pick the entry that X does something interesting when you run it. X X We try to avoid limiting creativity in our rules. As such, we leave X the contest open for creative rule interpretation. As in real life X programming, interpreting a requirements document or a customer request X is important. For this reason, we often award 'worst abuse of the X rules' to an entry that illustrates this point in an ironic way. X X If you do plan to abuse the rules, we suggest that you let us know X in the remarks section. Please note that an invitation to abuse X is not an invitation to break. We are strict when it comes to the X 3217 byte size limit. Also, abusing the entry format tends to X annoy more than amuse. X X We do realize that there are holes in the rules, and invite entries X to attempt to exploit them. We will award 'worst abuse of the rules' X and then plug the hole next year. Even so, we will attempt to use X the smallest plug needed, if not smaller. :-) X X Check out your program and be sure that it works. We sometimes make X the effort to debug an entry that has a slight problem, particularly X in or near the final round. On the other hand, we have seen some X of the best entries fall down because they didn't work. X X We tend to look down on a prime number printer, that claims that X 16 is a prime number. If you do have a bug, you are better off X documenting it. Noting ""this entry sometimes prints the 4th power X of a prime by mistake"" would save the above entry. And sometimes, X a strange bug/feature can even help the entry! Of course, a correctly X working entry is best. X X XOUR LIKES AND DISLIKES: X X Doing masses of #defines to obscure the source has become 'old'. We X tend to 'see thru' masses of #defines due to our pre-processor tests X that we apply. Simply abusing #defines or -Dfoo=bar won't go as far X as a program that is more well rounded in confusion. X X Many ANSI C compilers dislike the following code, and so do we: X X #define d define X #d foo <-- don't expect this to turn into #define foo X X int i; X j; <-- don't use such implicit type declaration X int k; X X We suggest that you compile your entry with an ANSI C compiler. If you X must use non-ANSI C, such as K&R C, you must avoid areas that result in X compile/link errors for ANSI C compilers. X X Unfortunately, ANSI C requires array indexes to be of integral type. X Thus, the following classical obfuscation hacks are no longer allowed: X X int i; X char *c; X i[c]; <--- use c[i] instead X (i+3)[""string""]; <--- use ""string""[i+3] instead X X If your entry uses functions that have a variable number of X arguments, be careful. Systems implement va_list as a wide variety X of ways. Because of this, a number of operations using va_list are X not portable and must not be used: X X * assigning a non-va_list variable to/from a va_list variable X * casting a non-va_list variable into/from a va_list variable X * passing a va_list variable to a function expecting a non-va_list arg X * passing a non-va_list variable to a function expecting a va_list arg X * performing arithmetic on va_list variables X * using va_list as a structure or union X X In particular, do not treat va_list variables as if they were a char **'s. X X Avoid using , use instead. X X If you use C preprocessor directives (#define, #if, #ifdef, ...), X the leading '#' must be the first character on a line. While some X C preprocessors allow whitespace the leading '#', many do not. X X Because the exit() function returns void on some systems, entries X must not assume that it returns an int. X X Small programs are best when they are short, obscure and concise. X While such programs are not as complex as other winners, they do X serve a useful purpose. They are often the only program that people X attempt to completely understand. For this reason, we look for X programs that are compact, and are instructional. X X One line programs should be short one line programs, say around 80 X bytes long. Getting close to 160 bytes is a bit too long in our opinion. X X We tend to dislike programs that: X X * are very hardware specific X * are very OS or Un*x version specific X (index/strchr differences are ok, but socket/streams specific X code is likely not to be) X * dump core or have compiler warnings X (it is ok only if you warn us in the 'remark' header item) X * won't compile under both BSD or SYS V Un*x X * abusing the build file to get around the size limit X * obfuscate by excessive use of ANSI tri-graphs X * are longer than they need to be X * are similar to previous winners X * are identical to previous losers :-) X X Unless you are cramped for space, or unless you are entering the X 'best one liner' category, we suggest that you format your program X in a more creative way than simply forming excessively long lines. X X The build file should not be used to try and get around the size X limit. It is one thing to make use of a several -D's to help out, X but it is quite another to use 200+ bytes of -D's in order to X try and squeeze the source under the size limit. You should feel X free to make use of the build file space, but you are better off X if you show some amount of restraint. X X We allowed whitespace, and in certain cases ; { or } do not impact X your program size (up to a certain point), because we want to get X away from source that is simply a compact blob of characters. X X Given two versions of the same program, one that is a compact blob X of code, and the other that is formatted more like a typical C X program, we tend to favor the second version. Of course, a third X version of the same program that is formatted in an interesting X and/or obfuscated way, would definitely win over the first two! X X We suggest that you avoid trying for the 'smallest self-replicating' X program. We are amazed at the many different sizes that claim X to be the smallest. There is nothing wrong with self-replicating X programs. In fact, a number of winners have been self-replicating. X You might want to avoid the claim of 'smallest', lest we (or others) X know of a smaller one! X X X client entries should be as portable as possible. Entries that X adapt to a wide collection of environments will be favored. Don't X depend on a particular type of display. For example, don't depend X on color or a given size. Don't require backing store. X X X client entries should avoid using X related libraries and X software that is not in wide spread use. We ask that such X client X entries restrict themselves to only the low level Xlib and the X Athena widget set (libX11.a, libXaw.a, libXmu.a and libXt.a). X Don't use M*tif, Xv*ew, or OpenL*ok toolkits, since not everyone X has them. Avoid depending on a particular window manager. Not X everyone has X11r5, and some people are stuck back in X11r4 (or X earlier), so try to target X11r5 without requiring X11r5. Better X yet, try to make your entry run on all version 11 X Window Systems. X X X client entries should not to depend on particular items on X .Xdefaults. If you must do so, be sure to note the required lines X in the ---remark--- section. X X We like programs that: X X * are as concise and small as they need to be X * do something at least quasi-interesting X * pass lint without complaint (not a requirement, but it is nice) X * are portable X * are unique or novel in their obfuscation style X * MAKE USE OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF OBFUSCATION X * make us laugh and/or throw up :-) X X Some types of programs can't excel in some areas. Of course, your X program doesn't have to excel in all areas, but doing well in several X areas really does help. X X We freely admit that interesting, creative or humorous comments in X the ---remark--- section helps your chance of winning. If you had to X read of many twisted entries, you too would enjoy a good laugh or two. X We think the readers of the contest winners do as well. X X Be creative! X X XENTRY FORMAT: X X In order to help us process the many entries, we must request your X assistance by formatting your entries in a certain way. This format, X in addition, allows us to quickly separate information about the X author from the program itself. (see JUDGING PROCESS) X X We have provided the program, mkentry, as an example of how to X format entries. You should be aware of the following warning that X is found in mkentry.c: X X This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every X attempt has been made to make sure that this program produces X an entry that conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, X where this program differs from the contest rules, the X contest rules will be used. Be sure to check with the X contest rules before submitting an entry. X X You are not required to use mkentry. It is convenient, however, X as it attempts to uuencode the needed files, and attempt to check X the entry against the size rules. X X If you have any suggestions, comments, fixes or complaints about X the mkentry.c program, please send Email to the judges. (see below) X X The following is a sample entry: X X---entry--- Xrule: 1993 Xfix: n Xtitle: chonglab Xentry: 0 Xdate: Mon Mar 1 08:45:20 1993 Xhost: Un*x v6, pdp11/45 X 2.9BSD, pdp11/70 X---remark--- X This is a non-obfuscated obfuscated C program. X X It is likely not to win a prize. But what do you expect from X a short example! X---author--- Xname: Landon Curt Noll Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group Xaddr: Toad Hall X PO Box 170608 X San Francisco, California X 94117-0608 X USA Xemail: chongo@toad.com Xanon: n X---author--- Xname: Larry Bassel Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group Xaddr: Toad Hall X PO Box 170608 X San Francisco, California X 94117-0608 X USA Xemail: hoptoad!sun!lab X lab@sun.com Xanon: n X---info--- Xbegin 444 info.file XM0V]P>7)I9VAT(""AC*2!,86YD;VX@0W5R=""!.;VQL+""`Q.3DS+@I!;&P@4FEG XM:'1S(%)E65A2!A8W1U86QL>2!D96-O9&5D('1H:7,@9FEL92X*22!W;VYD97(@:&]W(&UA X9;GD@=VEL;""!D;R!I=""!T:&ES('EE87(_""@`` X` Xend X---build--- Xbegin 444 build X28V,@<')O9RYC(""UO('!R;V<* X` Xend X---program--- Xbegin 444 prog.c XM;6%I;B@I""GL*(VEF(&1E9FEN960H05]214=)4U1%4D5$7U9/5$527TE.7U-5 XM3DY95D%,15]#04Q)1D]23DE!7U5302D*(""`@('!R:6YT9B@B5F]T92!,86YD XM;VX@3F]L;""!F;W(@4W5N;GEV86QE($-I='D@0V]U;F-I;""!S96%T("",Q+EQN X:(BD[""B-E;F1I9@H@(""`@97AI=""@P*3L*?0H` X` Xend X---end--- X X Typically the build file should assume that the source is prog.c X and will compile into prog. If an entry wins, we will rename X its source and binary to avoid filename collision. By tradition, X we use the name of the entry's title, followed by an optional X digit in case of name conflicts. X X If the above entry somehow won the 'least likely to win' award, X we would use chonglab.c and chonglab. X X If your entry depends on, or requires that your build, source X and/or binary files be a particular name, please say so in the X ---remark--- section. If this case applies, it would be be helpful X if you did one of the following: X X * Tell us how to change the filename(s) in your entry. X X * Have the build file make copies of the files. For example: X X cc prog.c -o special_name need special binary X X or rm -f special_src.c need special source X cp prog.c special_src.c X cc special_src.c -o special_name X X or rm -f special_build need special build X tail +4 build > special_build X sh < special_build X X * Assume that we will use the entry title. Send us a version of X your build/program files that uses the name convention. You X should uuencode these files in ---data--- sections. X X If your entry needs to modify its source, info or binary files, X please say so in the ---remark--- section. You should try to avoid X touching your original build, source and binary files. You should X arrange to make copies of the files you intend to modify. This X will allow people to re-generate your entry from scratch. X X Remember that your entry may be built without a build file. We X typically incorporate the build lines into a Makefile. If the X build file must exist, say so in the ---remark--- section. X X If your entry needs special info files, you should uuencode them X into ---info--- sections. In the case of multiple info files, X use multiple ---info--- sections. If no info files are needed, X then skip the ---info--- section. X X Info files are intended to be input, or detailed information that X does not fit well into the ---remark--- section. For example, an X entry that implements a compiler might want to provide some sample X programs for the user to compile. An entry might want to include a X lengthy design document, that might not be appropriate for a X 'hints' file. X X Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. For X example, info files may provide sample input or detailed X information about your entry. Because they are supplemental, X the entry should not require them exist. X X In some cases, your info files might be renamed to avoid name X conflicts. If info files should not be renamed for some reason, X say so in the ---remark--- section. X X Info files must uudecode into the current directory. If they X absolutely must be renamed, or moved into a sub-directory, say X so in the ---remark--- section. X X When submitting multiple entries, be sure that each entry has X a unique entry number from 0 to 7. Your first entry should X have entry number 0. X X With the exception of the header, all text outside of the entry X format may be ignored. That is, don't place text outside of the X entry and expect the judges to see it. (Our decoding tools aren't X AI progs!) If you need tell the the something, put it in the X ---remark--- section, or send a Email to the judges at: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for X judges@toad.com submitting entries) X X The date should be given with respect to UTC. (Some systems refer X to this as GMT or GMT0) The format of the date should be that as X returned by asctime() in the C locale. An example of such a string is: X X Thr Apr 01 00:47:00 1993 X X This format is similar to the output of the date(1) command. The X string does not include the timezone name before the year. On many X systems, one of the following command will produce a similar string: X X date -u ""+%a %h %d %T 19%y"" X date -u | sed -e 's/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/' X sh -c 'TZ=UTC date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' X sh -c 'TZ=GMT date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' X sh -c 'TZ=GMT0 date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' X X You are allowed to update/fix/revise your entry. To do so, set X the 'fix' line in the ---entry--- section to 'y' instead of 'n'. X Be sure that the resubmittion uses the same title and entry number X as well, as these are used to determine which entry is to be X replaced. X X XJUDGING PROCESS: X X Entries are judged by Larry Bassel and Landon Curt Noll. X X Entries are unpacked into individual directories. The Email message X is unpacked into individual files, each containing: X X ---entry--- section X all ---author--- sections X all ---info--- sections X ---build--- section X ---program--- section X any other text, including the Email message headers X X Prior to judging, the 'any other text' file is scanned to be sure X it does not contain useful information (or in case the entry was X malformed and did not unpack correctly). Information from the X ---author--- sections are not read until the judging process is X complete, and then only from entries that have won an award. X X The above process helps keep us biased for/against any one particular X individual. We are usually kept in the dark as much as you are X until the final awards are given. We like the surprise of finding X out in the end, who won and where they were from. X X We attempt to keep all entries anonymous, unless they win an award. X Because the main 'prize' of winning is being announced, we make all X attempts to send non-winners into oblivion. We remove all non-winning X files, and shred all related paper. By tradition, we do not even X reveal the number of entries that we received. (for the curious, X we do indicate the volume of paper consumed when presenting the IOCCC X winners at talks) X X After the Usenix announcement, we attempt to send Email to the X authors of the winning entries. One reason we do this is to give X the authors a chance to comment on the way we have presented their X entry. They are given the chance to correct mistakes, typos. We X often accept their suggestions/comments about our remarks as well. X This is done prior to posting the winners to the wide world. X X Judging consists of a number of elimination rounds. During a round, X the collection of entries are divided into two roughly equal piles; X the pile that advances on to the next round, and the pile that does X not. We also re-examine the entries that were eliminated in the X previous round. Thus, an entry gets at least two readings. X X A reading consists of a number of actions: X X * reading the ---entry--- section X * reading the uudecoded ---build--- section X * reading the uudecoded ---program--- section X * reading the uudecoded ---info--- section(s), if any X * passing the source thru the C pre-processor X shipping over any #include files X * performing a number of C beautify/cleanup edits on the source X * passing the beautified source thru the C pre-processor X shipping over any #include files X X In later rounds, other actions are performed: X X * linting the source X * compiling/building the source X * running the program X * performing misc tests on the source and binary X X Until we reduce the stack of entries down to about 25 entries, entries X are judged on an individual basis. An entry is set aside because it X does not, in our opinion, meet the standard established by the round. X When the number of entries thins to about 25 entries, we begin to form X award categories. Entries begin to compete with each other for awards. X An entry often will compete in several categories. X X The actual award category list will vary depending on the types of entries X we receive. A typical category list might be: X X * best small one line program X * best small program X * strangest/most creative source layout X * most useful obfuscated program X * best game that is obfuscated X * most creatively obfuscated program X * most deceptive C code X * best X client (see OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES) X * best abuse of ANSI C X * worst abuse of the rules X * X X We do not limit ourselves to this list. For example, a few entries are so X good/bad that they are declared winners at the start of the final round. X We will invent awards categories for them, if necessary. X X In the final round process, we perform the difficult tasks of X reducing the remaining entries (typically about 25) down to 8 or 10 X winners. Often we are confident that the entries that make it into X the final round are definitely better than the ones that do not X make it. The selection of the winners out of the final round, is X less clear cut. X X Sometimes a final round entry good enough to win, but is beat out X by a similar, but slightly better entry. For this reason, it is X sometimes worthwhile to re-enter an improved version of an entry X that failed to win in a previous year. This assumes, of course, X that the entry is worth improving in the first place! X X More often that not, we select a small entry (usually one line), a X strange/creative layout entry, and an entry that abuses the contest X rules in some way. X X In the end, we traditionally pick one entry as 'best'. Sometimes such X an entry simply far exceeds any of the other entry. More often, the X 'best' is picked because it does well in a number of categories. X X XANNOUNCEMENT OF WINNERS: X X The first announcement, occurs at a Summer Usenix conference. By tradition, X this is done during the latter part of the UUNET/IOCCC BOF, just prior to X the Berkeley BSD, and BSDI BOF. X X Winning entries will be posted in late June to the following groups: X X comp.lang.c comp.unix.wizards alt.sources X X In addition, pointers to these postings are posted to the following X X comp.sources.d alt.sources.d misc.misc X comp.sources.misc comp.windows.x X X Winning entries will be deposited into the uunet archives. See X below for details. X X Often, winning entries are published in selected magazines. Winners X have appeared in books (""The New Hackers Dictionary"") and on T-Shirts. X X Last, but not least, winners receive international fame and flames! :-) X X XFOR MORE INFORMATION: X X You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address: X X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for X judges@toad.com submitting entries) X X Questions and comments about the contest are welcome. X X One may obtain a copy of the current rules, guidelines or mkentry X program. To obtain all 3 of them, send Email to the address above X and use the subject 'send rules'. X X One may also obtain the above items, we well as winners of previous X contests, via anonymous ftp from: X X host: ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9) X user: anonymous X pass: yourname@yourhost X dir: pub/ioccc X X Often, contest rules, guidelines and winners are available from X archive sites. Check comp.sources.unix archives, for example. X You may also request previous winners by Email, using the judges X Email address, though we ask that you do this as a last resort. X X Xchongo /\cc/\ hoptoad!chongo XLarry Bassel {uunet,ucbvax,cbosgd}|sun!lab SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 guidelines || echo ""restore of guidelines failed"" set `wc -c guidelines`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""25375""; then echo original size 25375, current size $Wc_c fi echo ""End of part 1, continue with part 2"" exit 0 -- Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. " 4763,7,"From: dalibor@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Stefan Dalibor) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen Reply-To: dalibor@immd3.uni-erlangen.de NNTP-Posting-Host: faui00g.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 85 jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought >it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe >the following to be true: My knowledge about driving in the U.S. is also second-hand, but I think I can correct your statements about our Autobahn: >1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here. Oh yeah, that would be paradise... in fact, you can forget it. From all I've heard from my U.S. relatives, drivers esp. here in Germany are much more agg- ressive, but not disciplined. One of my relatives, a L.A. resident, hired a car at the Nuernberg airport and went about 18 miles to our home. He said then that he grew about 1 year older during this ride and swore he'd never drive a car in Germany again (this was in 1982 and he kept his promise - the situation now is even worse as effect of the increased volume of traffic). What you mean by `better disciplined' should perhaps be considered `cautious due to fear': When driving around here, you always *have* to take into consideration that the majority of the other drivers absolutely relies on you: They expect that nobody fails or sleeps; many of them exploit this by driving as fast as their car can go (of course only where that is allowed, you might think - dream on :). So any mistake you make is a very high risk to your health - and if you're ex- posed to such a situation from your very first day as a driver, you learn to handle it - or you lose... That's the way I and most people I know experience our traffic situation - whether you think this is pleasant or efficient is up to you; I think we handle a very high volume of traffic and that at high speeds with modest (compared to the volume) and decreasing rates of lethal accidents - OTOH, more and more people (esp. women) dislike driving (because they feel overtaxed and threatened) and each accident is one accident too much. >2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than > they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them > far more predictable than most US highways. Better designed and maintained, may be - but animal fences are very rare. Auto- bahnen and many other streets have guard-rails (I hope that's the right word - a plank made from thick steel sheet fixed on uprights; it's about 2 feet high); those guard-rails are designed for keeping vehicles on the road. Smaller animals can crawl under the plank, bigger ones can easily jump over it. The point is that esp. larger animals are very rare in Germany; they tend also to be very timid. Accidents caused by animals are a neglegible danger. >3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have > speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in > the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not > much higher than 120km/h. You're right (there are speed linits even on the major part of the Autobahn) - but the attitude towards driving (see above) seems to be very similar to that in Germany (I've been in France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands) - besides that, you really can't rely on the residents abiding the local speed limits. I've got quite a lot of practise (~120k miles) and I'm used to travel at 130 mph (FYI, with a car even smaller than a rabbit), but I consider driving on the highways round Paris or Milano really a thrill... >I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph >(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. ... Sorry, but you'll find quite a lot rabbit-class-car (or even smaller, mine is a Peugeot 205) owners going that fast; small cars with much HP are very `hip' over here - and most people buying such cars aren't afraid to let them run. > ... Some people >have no respect for their own lives. I disagree; the size or weight of a car is rather irrelevant. Formula-1 cars weigh less than 700 kg and the drivers have a chance to survive accidents at 130 mph or higher - OTOH when crashing against a solid object at 130 mph, it makes no difference whether you sit in a Porsche, a Mercedes, a tank or on a bicycle: Your're dead. Bye, Stefan --- Stefan Dalibor (dalibor@immd3.uni-erlangen.de) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""...And now for the next case in Kangaroo Court, I accuse you of being the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. I don't think that mere denials will be sufficient -- you will have to submit to examinations by a parapsychologist that I personally select..."" Perry Metzger (pmetzger@shearson.com) in Article 2074 in news.admin.policy " 4764,12,"From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) Subject: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Nntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.197 Organization: Texaco Lines: 16 I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some more of these critters? I've tried several places, but none of them seem to have keypads which allow you to use your own legend. Any suggestion would be appreciated. -- Larry D. Pyeatt The views expressed here are not Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com those of my employer or of anyone Voice : (713) 975-4056 that I know of with the possible exception of myself. " 4765,18,"From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA Lines: 60 In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: > >In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: > >> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower > >> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. > > > > Yes. > > > >> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine > >> legality. > > > > Why not? > > > Where do they get these people?! What, pray tell, does this mean? Just who exactly is *they*? You mean ""they"" as in people who do not blindly swallow every piece of propoganda they are given? Or ""they"" as in NOKD (not our kind, dear). Or ""they"" as in an appeal to some audience that is supposed to implicitly know and understand? > I really don't want to waste time in > here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we > can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am not eager to make a fool of myself. > My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just > because it will be safer and cheaper. From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from anything other than the pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to hear about it. The fact is that it wasn't. > A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all > funny farm patients, AIDS ""victims"", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - > this would surely make my taxes decrease. Only the first one make any sense. There is nothing to ""legalize"" about all the rest. Just in case you haven't made the connection (which I expect you haven't) the connecting theme in this thread is a persons autonomy over their life and body. Vice statutes serve only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however, take autonomy over their lives, regardless of what the government says. And why, pray tell, is AIDS ""victim"" in snear quotes? Are you of the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS plauge? Or do they just deserve it? -- Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com) ""I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."" -- Hobbes to Calvin USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637 PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax) " 4766,11,"From: ""dan mckinnon"" Subject: ""clipper chip"" Reply-To: ""dan mckinnon"" Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: sci Lines: 30 I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star: 'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy Washington (REUTER) - President Bill CLinton announced yesterday a plan to plant a new ""Clipper Chip"" in every government telephone and computer line to prevent eavesdropping. Eventually the chips, developed by the government's National Institute for Standards and Technology, would be used by commercial and private electronics communication users. The White House said that to assure privacy, each device containing the encryption devices would be assigned two unique ""keys"" - numbers that will be needed by government agencies to decode messages. The attorney-general has been assigned the task of arranging that the keys are deposited in two ""key-escrow"" data bases. Access to them would be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap, the White House said in a statement. -30- Dan McKinnon -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 4767,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 23 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > I will provide one hint: it is reported that RSA expressed puzzlement (at > their conference) that nobody has asked for permission to use RIPEM to > write a PGP-compatible program. This actually supports Bill's speculation - IF there is a backdoor in RSAREF and IF PKP is supported secretly by the NSA, then it is more than natural that they will welcome ANY public-key implementation that uses RSAREF and will strongly oppose themselves against ANY implementation that doesn't. I personally cannot see how one could put a backdoor in a long-precision modular arithmetic library that comes in source, but, of course, the fact that -I- cannot see it means nothing... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 4768,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? Lines: 31 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 31 In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) >Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:12:38 GMT > >(S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >>(TAMMY R HEALY) writes: >>>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named >>>Ellen G. White. I hope that what she said will help you to edit your >>>remarks in this group in the future. >>> >>>""Do not set yourself as a standard. Do not make your opinions, your views >>>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in >>>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal."" >>> Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124 >> >>Point? > > Point: you have taken it upon yourself to judge others; when only >God is the true judge. > >--- > > Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. > > I agree totally with you! Amen! You stated it better and in less world than I did. Tammy " 4769,1,"From: dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (Dr. Eldon Tyrell) Subject: Re: So what is the fastest Windows video c Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.054600.24917@exu.ericsson.se> ebuhcb@ebu.ericsson.se writes: >In article 16APR199309101156@trentu.ca, ayounes@trentu.ca (Amro Younes, Trent University, C.C. #314, Peterborough, ON, Canada K9J 7B8. (705) 749-0391) writes: >>I have the ATI GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO EISA version. I must admit it has >>received bad press but that was due to the faulty drivers it had. > >PC Magazine seems to be impressed with the ATI card in their most recent >reviews. In the April 13th issue they rate the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro >(EISA version) as their ""Editor's Choice"". They noted that the drivers >had improved since they tested the ISA version in January... > ...Cuyler Yeah - they also gave it their ""Editor's Choice"" in the run-down of graphics accelerators they tested in the previous issue, which is why I bought (and then returned) mine. The only conclusion I can come up with is that PC Magazine has wildly different ways on determining the worthiness of a video card than I do. -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 " 4770,7,"From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah) Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing Article-I.D.: wuecl.1993Apr6.074352.15514 Distribution: na Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 In article <1993Apr1.230642.5207@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes: > > I am the person who started out this subject. > > To me, the question really is not about dealer profit but the > amount of money for the type of car. I've settled with a > new 92 Subaru Wagon with the similar amount of money a Saturn > dealer asked for a SW1. OK, I know it's a 92 model, but I think > I got a better car (though I have to adjust my initial idea of > why I am getting a new car). > > Today, during a conversion with a friend, I learned he rejected > a Saturn for a Ford Tarurs; as it only costed him a little bit more > than a SL2. I may be wrong, but a loaded Tarus beats a Saturn SL2. I agree that a fully-loaded SL2 would come close in price to a LOWER-END Ford Taurus. A FULLY-LOADED Taurus, on the other hand, would still be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy SL2. A fully loaded SL2 would run somewhere around $17,000, while a fully loaded Taurus LX would be somewhere around the $22,000-$23,000 range. A base Taurus (GL I believe) might start around $15,000. Of course there is the Taurus SHO which can push $30,000 if you really try, but this is a totally different car than your mainstream Taurus sedan. Your statement was not entirely faulty, just a little inaccurate. > > I can't see Saturn is of better value and that is why I was puzzled > by its pricings. Oh, we did not spend much time getting our deals; > being better informed has its advantages. Well, that's ok. At least you're not bitching about dealer profits like some of the other netters are. You seem to have rationally picked out the car that is best for you. The Loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by the Impreza wagon, so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones. > > Then again, I may be wrong. > >Yung-Kao Hsu > Mihir Shah mps1@cec1.wustl.edu " 4771,11,"From: marc@math.uni-sb.de (Marc Conrad) Subject: Re: List of large integer arithmetic packages Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken Lines: 530 NNTP-Posting-Host: vieta.math.uni-sb.de mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes: [not very comprehensive list deleted] There is a very comprehensive list in sci.math.symbolic, which detailed descriptions of many packages. (Especially you, Mark, should update your list :-) ) Here it is: Available Systems This is the list of currently developed and distributed software for symbolic math applications. No informations is supplied on systems no longer being supported like: SAINT, FORMAC, ALPAK, ALTRAN, MATHLAB, SIN, SAC, CAMAL, ScratchPad, MuMath, SHEEP, TRIGMAN, ANALITIK, SMP or CCALC. For more detailed info on any of the systems below, look into the directory pub/Symbolic_Math in the anonymous FTP of ""math.berkeley.edu"". No particular recommendation is made for any of these. If you want prices contact the company. Programs are listed by (aprox.) the reverse order of the number of machines they run on, in each class, general purpose systems first. If you have any information to add to this list (we know we are missing MuPAD & FELIX) please send it to : ca@math.berkeley.edu Paulo Ney de Souza Department of Mathematics University of California Berkeley CA 94720 desouza@math.berkeley.edu GENERAL PURPOSE =============== Maple:: Type: commercial Machines: Most impressive list of machines I seen for a program: workstations (DEC, HP, IBM, MIPS, Sun, SGI, Apollo), 386 PC's, Mac, Amiga, Atari, AT&T 3B2, Gould, Convex, NCR, Pyramid, Sequent, Unisys and Cray's. Contact: maple@daisy.waterloo.edu Waterloo Maple Software, 160 Columbia Street West, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3L3 Phone: (519) 747-2373 Version: 5 Release 1 Comments: General purpose , source available for most routines , graphics support in 5.0. A demo of the program for PC-DOS can be obtained from anonymous FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/modern.algebra/maplev.zip Mathematica:: Type: commercial Machines: Cray YMP down to Mac's and PC's Contact: info@wri.com, Phone: 1-800-441-MATH Wolfram Research, Inc. 100 Trade Center Drive, Champaign IL 61820-7237 Version: 2.1 Comments: General purpose, Notebook interface on Next, Mac, nice graphics. Macsyma:: Type: commercial Machines: Sun-3, Sun-4 (SPARC), VAX (UNIX and VMS), Apollo, HP 9000, DEC RISC, PC386/DOS, Symbolics computers, 368/387 and 486 (no SX's) PC's. Contact: macsyma-service@macsyma.com, Phone: 800-MACSYMA Macsyma Inc, 20 Academy St., Arlington MA 02174-6436 Version: depends on machine: 417.100 is the latest (for Sun-4, HP, and DEC RISC), 417.125 for PC's Comments: General purpose, many diverse capabilities, one of the oldest around. Includes propietary improvements from Symbolics and Macsyma Inc. Descendant of MIT's Macsyma. DOE-Macsyma: Type: distribution fee only Machines: GigaMos, Symbolics, and TI Explorer Lisp machines. The NIL version runs on Vaxes using the VMS system. The public domain Franz Lisp version, runs on Unix machines, including Suns and Vaxes using Unix. Contact: ESTSC - Energy Science & Technology Software Center P. O. Box 1020 Oak Ridge TN 37831-1020 Phone: (615) 576-2606 Comments: Help with DOE-Macsyma, general and help with issues such as obtaining support, new versions, etc: lph@paradigm.com Leon Harten from Paradigm Assoc. Paradigm Associates, Inc. 29 Putnam Avenue, Suite 6 Cambridge, MA 02139 (617) 492-6079. Maxima:: Type: Licence for a fee. Get licence from ESTC before download. Machines: Unix workstations (Sun, MIPS, HP, PC's) and PC-DOS (beta). Contact: wfs@rascal.utexas.edu (Bill Schelter) Version: 4.155 Comments: General purpose - MIT Macsyma family. Common Lisp implementation by William F. Schelter, based on Kyoto Common Lisp. Modified version of DOE-Macsyma available to ESTSC (DOE) sites. Get the licence from ESTSC (phone: 615-576-2606) and then dowload the software from DOS: math.utexas.edu:pub/beta-max.zip or UNIX: rascal.ics.utexas.edu:pub/maxima-4-155.tar.Z Currently their charge for 1 machine license is $165 to universities. Site licenses are also available. Aljabr:: Type: commercial Machines: Mac's with 4Meg of RAM. Contact: aljabr@fpr.com, Phone: (508) 263-9692, Fort Pond Research. 15 Fort Pond Road, Acton MA 01720 US Version: 1.0 Comments: MIT Macsyma family descendant, uses Franz LISP. Paramacs:: Type: commercial Machines: VAX-VMS, Sun-3, Sun-4, (SGI and Mac's on the works) Contact: lph@paradigm.com Version: ??? Comments: ??? Vaxima:: Type: distribution fee only Machines: VAX-Unix Contact: ESTSC (see DOE-Macsyma above) Version: ??? Comments: General purpose - MIT Macsyma family descendant. Includes source and binaries with assembler for Macsyma and Franz Lisp Opus 38 Reduce:: Type: commercial Machines: All Unix workstations, a variety of mainframes, MS-DOS/386/4Mbyte and Atari ST. Contact: reduce-netlib@rand.org Version: 3.34 Comments: General purpose FORM:: Type: Public domain verison 1 , Version 2 commercial Machines: Msdos, AtariSt , Mac, Sun3, Sun4/sparc, Apollo, NeXT, VAX/VMS, VAX/Ultrix , DECStation , and others Contact: t68@nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren) Binary versions of version 1 are available by anonymous ftp from nikhef.nikhef.nl (192.16.199.1) Version: 1 and 2. Comments: General purpose , designed for BIG problems , batch-like interface Axiom:: Type: commercial Machines: IBM RS 6000's and other IBM plataforms Contact: ryan@nag.com, Phone: (708) 971-2337 FAX: (708) 971-2706 NAG - Numerical Algorithms Group, Inc 1400 Opus Place, Suite 200, Downers Grove, Il 60515-5702 Version: ??? Comments: General purpose. SIMATH:: Type: anonymous ftp Machines: Suns, Apollo DN and Siemens workstations. Contact: simath@math.uni-sb.de Version: 3.5 Comments: General purpose Derive:: Type: commercial Machines: Runs on PC's and HP 95's. Contact: 808-734-5801 Soft Warehouse Inc. 3615 Harding Ave, Suite 505 Honolulu, Hawaii 96816-3735 Version: 2.01 Comments: Said to be very robust, gets problems that other larger programs fail on. Low cost. Theorist:: Type: commercial Machines: Mac's Contact: prescien@well.sf.ca.us, phone:(415)543-2252 fax:(415)882-0530 Prescience Corp, 939 Howard St #333, San Francisco, CA 94103 Version: 1.11 Comments: General purpose , Graphics , If you like the mac interface you'll love this , fixed precision ( 19 digits ), runs on smaller mac's than MMA. MAS:: Type: Anonymous FTP Machines: Atari ST (TDI and SPC Modula-2 compilers), IBM PC/AT (M2SDS and Topspeed Modula-2 compilers) and Commodore Amiga (M2AMIGA compiler). Contact: H. Kredel. Computer Algebra Group University of Passau, Germany Version: 0.60 Comments: MAS is an experimental computer algebra system combining imperative programming facilities with algebraic specification capabilities for design and study of algebraic algorithms. MAS is available via anonymous ftp from: alice.fmi.uni-passau.de = 123.231.10.1 MockMma:: Type: anonymous FTP from peoplesparc.berkeley.edu Machines: Anywhere running Common LISP. Contact: fateman@cs.berkeley.edu Version: ??????? Comments: It does Matematica (or I mispelled that!). Weyl:: Type: anonymous FTP from ftp.cs.cornell.edu /pub/Weyl Contact: rz@cs.cornell.edu Version: 4.240 Comments: Intended to be incorporated in larger, more specialized systems. FLAC:: Type: ??? Machines: IBM PC's (DOS) Contact: Victor L. Kistlerov, Institute for Control Sciences, Profsoyuznaya 65, Moscow, USSR Version: ??? Comments: Functional language GROUP THEORY ============ Cayley:: Type: Cost recovery Machines: SUN 3, SUN 4, IBM AIX and VM machines, Apollo, DEC VAX/VMS, Mac running A/UX 2.01 or higher and Convex. Contact: cayley@maths.su.oz.au Phone: (61) (02) 692 3338, Fax: (61) (02) 692 4534 Computational Algebra Group University of Sydney NSW 2006 Australia Version: 3.8.3 Comments: Designed for fast computation with algebraic and combinatorial structures such as groups, rings, fields, modules and graphs. Although it began as a group theory system it has recently evolved into a general (abstract) algebra system. GAP:: Type: anonymous ftp (free, but not PD; basically GNU copyleft) Machines: All Unix workstations, ATARI ST, IBM PC and MAC Contact: gap@samson.math.rwth-aachen.de FTP site: samson.math.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.152.6) & math.ucla.edu Version: 3.1 (3.2 to be released Dec 92) Comments: group theory calculations. ALGEBRA & NUMBER THEORY ======================= PARI:: Type: anonymous ftp Machines: Most workstations, Mac and NeXT Contact: pari@mizar.greco-prog.fr anonymous ftp to math.ucla.edu (128.97.64.16) in the directory /pub/pari Version: 1.35 Comments: Number theoretical computations, source available, key routines are in assembler, ascii and Xwindows graphics. PC-DOS version available from anonymous FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/modern.algebra/pari386 Macaulay:: Type: anonymous ftp Machines: Complete source available, Binary Mac versions available Contact: anonymous ftp to zariski.harvard.edu (128.103.1.107) Version: ??? Comments: focused on Algebra type computations ( polynomial rings over finite fields ), things like that. Kant:: Type: ??? Machines: ??? Contact: KANT Group Prof. Dr. M. E. Pohst / Dr. Johannes Graf v. Schmettow Mathematisches Institut, Heinrich-Heine-Universit\""at Universit\""atsstr. 1, D-4000 D\""usseldorf 1 pohst@dd0rud81.bitnet or schmetto@dd0rud81.bitnet Version: 1 & 2 Comments: Kant (Computational Algebraic Number Theory) is subroutine package for algorithms from geometry of numbers and algebraic number theory. There are two versions of Kant: Kant V1 is written in Ansi-Fortran 77, while Kant V2 is built on the Cayley Platform and written in Ansi-C. LiE:: Type: commercial Machines: Unix workstations (SUN, DEC, SGI, IBM), NeXT, PC's, Atari and Mac's. Contact: lie@can.nl, Phone: +31 20 592-6050, FAX: +31 20 592-4199 CAN Expertise Centre, Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands Version: 2 Comments: Lie group computations UBASIC:: Type: anonymous FTP (ubas830.zip) Machines: Mac and IBM PC's Contact: malm@argo.acs.oakland.edu, Phone: (313) 370-3425 Donald E. G. Malm, Department of Mathematical Sciences Oakland University, Rochester, MI 48309-4401 Version: 8.30 Comments: BASIC-like environment for number theory. In the collection of programs written for it one can find: MALM (Collection of UBASIC Number Theory Programs (malm.zip) by Donald E. G. Malm (and copyrighted by him), including: Baillie-Wagstaff Lucas pseudoprime test, Algorithm for Chinese remaindering, Elliptic curve method to factorize n, Fermat's method of factoring, General periodic continued fraction to quadratic routine, Evaluates Carmichael's function & D. H. Lehmer's method of solving x^2 = q (mod p). UBMPQS (Prime factorization program for numbers over 80 digits (ubmpqs32.zip)), that can be found in the WURST Archives (wuarchive.wustl.edu). Numbers:: Type: Free but not Public Domain, registration required. Machines: PC-DOS Contact: Ivo Dntsch Phone: (++49) 541-969 2346 Rechenzentrum Fax: (++49) 541-969 2470 Universitt Osnabrck Bitnet: duentsch@dosuni1 Postfach 4469 W 4500 Osnabrck GERMANY Version: 202c Comments: Numbers is a calculator for number theory. It performs various routines in elementary number theory, some of which are also usable in algebra or combinatorics. Available in the anonymous FTP in ftp.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.de in the directory /pub/msdos/math CoCoA:: Type: ??? Machines: Mac's Contact: cocoa@igecuniv.bitnet Version: ??? Comments: Computations in commutative algebra Galois:: Type: Commercial Machines: IBM-PC DOS Contact: CIFEG Inc., Kalkgruberweg 26, A-4040 Linz, Austria Version: ??? Comments: Algebra and number theory microcomputer written by R. Lidl, R. W. Matthews, and R. Wells from the U. Tasmania in Turbo Pascal v3.0. GANITH:: Type: Anonymous FTP Machines: Any system with vanilla Common Lisp, X 11, and has at least a rudimentary Lisp/C interface. Contact: Chanderjit Bajaj & Andrew Royappa Department of Computer Science, Purdue University West Lafayette, IN 47907 (bajaj and royappa@cs.purdue.edu) Version: Comments: GANITH is an algebraic geometry toolkit, for computing and visualising solutions to systems of algebraic equations. It is written in Common Lisp and C, and runs under version 11 of the X window system. GANITH is available from the anonymous FTP at cs.purdue.edu in the file /pub/avr/ganith-src.tar.Z TENSOR ANALYSIS =============== SchoonShip:: Type: ??? Machines: ??? Contact: mentioned in Comp.Phys. Comm. 8, 1 (1974). Version: ??? Comments: I have heard this program mentioned , supposely it's designed for large problems (i.e. thousands of terms in series expansions ). Developed at CERN for CDC7600 ? STENSOR:: Type: ???? Machines: VAX, SUN, Apollos, Orion, Atari & Amiga Contact: lh@vand.physto.se, Lars Hornfeldt, Physics Department, University of Stockholm Vanadisv.9, S-113 46, Stockholm, Sweden Version: ???? Comments: System for tensor calculus and noncommutative algebra LISP CALCULATORS ================ JACAL:: Type: Gnu CopyLeft Machines: Needs a Lisp (either Common or Scheme) Contact: Available by anon ftp to altdorf.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.246] Version: ??? Comments: An IBM PC version on floppy for $50 is available from Aubrey Jaffer, 84 Pleasant St. Wakefield MA 01880, USA. GNU-calc:: Type: GNU copyleft Machines: Where Emacs runs. Contact: Free Software Foundation Version: ??? Comments: It runs inside GNU Emacs and is written entirely in Emacs Lisp. It does the usual things: arbitrary precision integer, real, and complex arithmetic (all written in Lisp), scientific functions, symbolic algebra and calculus, matrices, graphics, etc. and can display expressions with square root signs and integrals by drawing them on the screen with ascii characters. It comes with well written 600 page online manual. You can FTP it from any GNU site. DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS ====================== DELiA:: Type: Informal distribution Machines: IBM PC's (DOS) Contact: A. V. Bocharov, Program Systems Institute, USSR Academy of Science, Pereslavl, P.O. Box 11, 152140 USSR, Tlx: 412531 BOAT Version: ???? Comments: Differetial equation computations PC SHAREWARE ============ SymbMath:: Type: shareware, student and advanced versions. Machines: IBM PC Contact: chen@deakin.OZ.AU Version: 2.1.1 Comments: Runs on plain (640k) DOS machines. The shareware version is available in the file sm211a.zip on the Wurst Archives. More capable versions are available by mail-order from the author. CLA:: Type: anonymous FTP Machines: PC-DOS Contact: ???? Version: 2.0 Comments: A linear or matrix algebra package which computes rank, determinant, rwo-reduced echelon form, Jordan canonical form, characteristic equation, eigenvalues, etc. of a matrix. File cla20.zip on the Wurst Archives. XPL:: Type: anonymous FTP Machines: PC-DOS Contact: David Meredith, Department of Mathematics San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132 meredith@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Version: 4.0 Comments: Formerly called CCALC. Well-integrated graphics and some (numerical) matrix manipulation routines. Intended for calculus students. Prentice Hall sells this with a book (ISBN 0-13-117441-X--or by calling 201-767-5937), but it is also available (without the manual but with a comprehensive help system) by anonymous FTP from wuarchive.wustl.edu: /edu/math/msdos/calculus/cc4-9206.zip. AMP:: Type: Commercial, evaluation copy available by anonymous FTP Machines: PC-DOS Contact: Mark Garber (71571,2006@compuserve.com) Ph: (404) 452-1129 Cerebral Software, PO Box 80332, Chamblee, GA 30366 Version: 3.0 Comments: The Algebraic Manipulation Program (AMP) is written in Modula-2 and is a symbolic calculation tool. AMP functions in an interpreter mode and program mode. It has tensor manipulation using index notation. The evaluation copy is available in the anonymous FTP at: ftp.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.de:pub/msdos/math/amp30.zip Mercury:: Type: Shareware Machines: PC-DOS Contact: ??? Version: 2.06 Comments: Limited in symbolic capabilities, but is extremely adept at numerically solving equations and produces publication quality graphical output. This used to be Borland's Eureka!, but when Borland abandoned it, its original author started selling it as shareware under the name Mercury. Available from anonymous FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/calculus/mrcry206.zip PFSA:: Type: Public Domain Machines: PC-DOS Contact: ??? Version: 5.46 Comments: Available from the anonymous FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu:/edu/math/msdos/modern.algebra/vol546.zip LIE:: Type: Public Domain Machines: PC-DOS Contact: HEAD@RIVETT.MST.CSIRO.AU (A. K. Head) CSIRO Division of Materials Science and Technology Melbourne Australia or Locked Bag 33, Clayton, Vic 3168, Australia Phone: (03) 542 2861 Telex: AA 32945 Fax: (03) 544 1128 Version: 3.3 Comments: LIE is a program written in the MuMath language (not a package) for Lie analysis of differential equations. Available from anonymous FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu: /edu/math/msdos/adv.diff.equations/lie33 Calculus:: Type: Shareware Machines: PC-DOS with EGA Contact: Byoung Keum, Dept. of Mathematics University of IL. Urbana, IL 61801. Version: 9.0 Comments: Program for Calculus and Differential Equations. It has symbolic diff. & integration (simple functions), graphs. Very unstable program - no reason to use it, except for price (suggested registration fee is $ 30.00). Available from anonymous FTP at wuarchive.wustl.edu: /edu/math/msdos/calculus/calc.arc -- \ / | Marc Conrad, Universitaet des Saarlandes \ Luxemburg | marc@math.uni-sb.de France \| Germany | these opinions are not necessarily these \x <---- you are here! | of the SIMATH-group (and maybe even not mine). " 4772,18,"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu > Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at > the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior > Senator? The King of the motss/bi? > Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers > get brought out. Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops), who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the density of the crowd in small regions. These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers, so as to justify bigger budgets. Steve " 4773,1,"From: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega) Subject: PC PAINTBRUSH IV+ Distribution: world Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA 619-728-4318 Reply-To: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega) Lines: 11 I am trying to configure Zsoft's PC Paintbrush IV+ for use with my Logitech Scanman 32 (hand scanner), but I can't get Paintbrush to acknowledge the scanner. Is there anybody out there using Paintbrush with a scanner, if so, can you help me out? Thanks Luis Nobrega ---- *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | The File Bank BBS - 619-728-4318 - PCBoard v.14.5a/E10 - USR HST & DS | | 8 nodes / RIME / Internet / Largest Clipper file collection in the world | *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* " 4774,6,"From: stephen@access.digex.com (stephen balbach) Subject: SLS Linux for sale disk/tape Organization: Taylor Balbach Software, Columbia, MD USA Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: linux sls Since I have some free time while looking for a job I thought I would offer Linux on disk and tape for those who need it. NOTE: I am offering this service for EXPERIENCED users who require no support. Simply put I am just a disk shuffler. If you think you will need support I HIGHLY recommend Softlanding Linux System (SLS) directly. They provide an excellent product at a decent price with support. I am the lazy mans service, for those who don't want to spend 4 hours on the modem and 2 hours shuffling floppies. And those who don't need SLS support and opt to go it alone. What you get... each disk is $1.50(5.25) $1.75(3.5) (14 disk minimum). A Minimal System : 4 Disks 6.00/7.00 B Base System Extras : 7 Disks 10.50/12.25 C Compilers : 3 Disks 4.50/5.25 D Documentation : 2 Disks 3.00/3.50 S Source, misc. : 1 Disk 1.50/1.75 T TeX : 3 Disks 4.50/5.25 X X-Windows : 8 Disks 12.00/14.00 Entire set %5 discount: 40.00/46.50 or the entire set on QC-40 tape for 40.00 Send check or money order Stephen Balbach 5437 Enberend Terrace Columbia, MD 21045 send e-mail so I can have it ready sooner -> stephen@access.digex.com " 4775,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Charlie Betz (cbetz@romulus.cray.com) writes: > After reading some of the reports of possible NHL moves to Milwaukee or that > Milwaukee should have an NHL team, I thought I'd pass along a story I heard > recently. This is second hand, so I don't know how true it is, but I have > no reason to doubt it either. > > Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge > hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) > either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the > Bradley Center. Lloyd Pettit. > > Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but > turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too > high. > > Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if > it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals > aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club > and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's > Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. Yes, it is true that he refused to buy a franchise from the NHL for $50M; but at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much less than that. He felt that no one would pay $50M for an expansion team, and that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that. But the market fooled him, and 5 teams have been created for $50M apiece in the last three years, and even the existing teams can't be moved for less than $50M and I doubt that he could get one for that little. Pettit gambled and lost. Now he'll have to pay more. -SG " 4776,11,"From: Graham Toal Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack :has 2^80 possible keys. We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. Anyway, its looking like the keys and escrow arrangements are smoke and mirrors to cover the way the NSA can regenerate the key from the transmitted serial number. G " 4777,7,"From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: Re: Lois Chevrolet? Summary: Louis Chevrolet Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 13 A little bit off of the subject but here goes yes he is one in the same (i.e. Chevrolet Motor Div) also his brother Gaston raced at Indy and was the winner in 1920. I have also seen the name Arthur Chevrolet in the early teens (1911 and on) I assume he is related Keith Nuetzman, nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Motorola Inc. Paging and Wireless Data Group Boynton Beach, Fl see ya at Indy 500 and ""400"" ...yes!!! " 4778,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: < keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > >The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People >said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. >They said that these were things that everyone should know, and that they >weren't going to waste their time repeating them. Sounds to me like no one >knew, either. I looked in some books, but to no avail. If the Anne Frank exhibit makes it to your small little world, take an afternoon to go see it. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 4779,19,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Summary: Update on events. Keywords: update, report, `Woof!' Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Disclaimer: Sometime tonight, Brandy the WonderDog will turn 11 years old. You can e-mail your presents (he likes rawhide chewy toys) to the address above. Lines: 73 There were some recent developments in the dispute about Masonry among Southern Baptists. I posted a summary over in bit.listserv.christia, and I suppose that it might be useful here. Note that I do not necessarily agree or disagree with any of what follows: I present it as information. * For a short summary: a Southern Baptist named Larry Holly wrote a book claiming that Freemasonry is a religion incompatible with Christianity. (Mr Holly's father rejects Christianity, and Mr Holly blames that on the Masons.) The SBC's Home Missions Board includes an interfaith witness department, which studies other religions and how to teach them about Christ. A few years ago, they were ordered to produce a report on Masonry: they concluded that it was not a religion, and therefore was outside their speciality. However, Mr Holly led a movement of people who oppose Masonry, and last year the Convention again ordered the HMB to study Masonry. (I got the feeling that they were saying ""You got the wrong answer last time, try to do better and get the answer we want."") Anyway, there's been a bit of infighting and some inappropriate actions, but the dust has settled and the report is in. Nobody is entirely happy with it, but everybody seems willing to live with it. Both sides are saying things such as: ""This was the best we were going to get in the current environment."" The report commends the Masons for the charity work they do, such as the hospitals and burn centers they operate, as well as efforts to help the elderly and prevent drug abuse. The report acknowledges that many well- known Christians are and have been Masons, and notes that many teachings of Masonry are ""supportive of Christian faith and practice"". Examples of the latter include belief in God, emphases on honesty and integrity, and that some Masonic lodges incorporate explicit Christian beliefs. On the other hand, they note that some aspects of Masonry are incompatible with Southern Baptist principles. These included the use of titles which some people consider sacrilegious, the taking of certain oaths (even though they are not meant seriously), the ""undeniably pagan and/or occultic"" writings of some Masonic leaders, the implication in some Masonic writings that salvation can be achieved by good works, and the racial discrimination practiced by many Masonic lodges. (I note with some chagrin that Baptist churches as a whole aren't really in a place to speak on this last point.) The report concludes that Masonry is not a religion, and says that membership should not be endorsed or censured, but left to the discretion of individuals. This was in part because there is variation among different Masonic Lodges, and while one may include elements strongly against Christianity, another may not. Many Southern Baptists have strong convictions about the priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church, and this history probably influenced how the report came out. * The information above was gleaned from ""The Religious Herald"", a publication of the Baptist General Association of Virginia, and ""Baptists Today"", which does not have any direct links to a religious organisation. (Autonomy is a big issue among some Baptists. 8-) Because I have neither the report itself, nor whatever Masonic documents are relevant to these issues, none of the above comes with a guarantee. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu Milton: ""We use only the finest baby frogs, dew picked and flown from Iraq, cleansed in finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and then sealed in a succulent Swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose."" Praline: ""That's as may be, it's still a frog."" " 4780,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Kent: You say that >There are about 4-10 competing Rosicrucian orders existing today, ^^^^^^^^^ >most of them are spin-offs from OTO and other competing organizations >from the 19th century France/Germany. Maybe I should write an article Please don't! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >about all this, I spent some time investigating these organizations >and their conceptual world view systems. Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have probably spent more time than you doing the same. None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the case. Study Harder, Tony " 4781,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > >>I have been at a shooting range where >>gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. > >How do ""we"" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops >or even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes? > ""We"" know because the area that the gun shop/shooting range is in is right on the border of the west side of Chicago. That is a gang infested area. There are many, many bad things going on in that area. Also, I have several friends that live very close to that area who have had problems with some of these folks. By the way, where did I say that they were minorities? Do you think that only minorities have gangs? Not so. As far as the quotes are concerned it was totally obvious that they weren't just practicing for marksmanship. I don't know about you but I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting. If you would have been there Andy it would've been obvious to you too. Of course it might not have been. Who knows. All I do know is that I was there, I live here and I know that they were gang bangers. When you live here long enough it becomes pretty easy to spot them via gang colors, gang signs, etc. One last thing. My sister is a social worker. She makes it her point to find these things out (gang signs, colors, etc) because it is in her best interest to do so. She is nice enough to let me know these things so I can watch out for myself as I live right on the border of the west side of the city. Enough said. Jason " 4782,17,"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 15 I said: In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > don't count? Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are ""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. ...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it gets. That's two in a row, care to try for more? " 4783,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 21 Well, it now seems obvious what Professor Denning was doing last fall when this key escrow trial balloon was raised! All the more need for end-to-end encryption schemes that bypass the government-approved system. By the way, the ""Clipper"" name...isn't this already used for the Clipper processor from Intergraph? I doubt they're the ones making the chip, so a name conflict may be present. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 4784,1,"From: jamie@genesis.MCS.COM (James R Groves) Subject: FTP for Targa+ Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 5 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com I am looking for software to run on my brand new Targa+ 16/32. If anyone knows of any sites which have useful stuff, or if you have any yourself you want to give, let me know via mail. Thanks a LOT! Yayayay! jamie@ddsw1.mcs.com " 4785,1,"From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split In-Reply-To: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Lines: 16 Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? Just curious. I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us who are less omnivorous. There is no ""waste"" in creating news groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time on this as it is. -david " 4786,8,"From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly) Subject: Re: Protective gear Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly slippery when parking the bikes, and good boots help here as well. -- Squid " 4787,17,"From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says: >In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >>In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > >>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral >>>Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? > There are many cases, but I do not remeber names. The Isralis shot and killed a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada. I believe that most of the world has seen pictures of Israeli soldiers who were breaking the cameras of the reporters, kicking reporters out, confiscating cassettes, and showing reporters militery orders preventing them from going to hot areas to pick pictures and make reports. " 4788,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 68 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 From the ""JPL Universe"" April 23, 1993 Cosmologist Stephen Hawking tours Lab By Karre Marino Some 15 years after his first visit to JPL, Prof. Stephen Hawking, Lucasian professor of mathematics at Cambridge University and author of ""A Brief History of Time,"" returned to the Lab April 5. On a tour hosted by JPL Chief Scientist Dr. Moustafa Chahine and Merle McKenzie, manager of the International Affairs Office, Hawking visited a variety of facilities, met with Lab Director Dr. Edward Stone and various project scientists and managers, and felt ""like royalty,"" he said. Hawking, whose theories attempt to explain the origin of distant galaxies, black holes and alternate dimensions, wanted to re-visit JPL, he explained, ""because while I'm most interested in those things in space that are farther away, I know that here is where the first steps are taken."" Hawking, who was accompanied by his family, two graduate students and his aides, began the tour in von Karman Auditorium, as David Evans, deputy assistant Lab director in the Office of Flight Projects, and Dr. Arden Albee, Mars Observer's project scientist, briefed him on current and past flight projects. Voyager was pointed out to him, with special attention paid to a gold plate with a series of engraved images. Should extraterrestrial life stumble upon the spacecraft, Evans noted, they would find a variety of images that would explain something of Earth. The professor asked if we were still communicating with the spacecraft, and Evans affirmed that we are. Using a model of Mars Observer, Albee spent several minutes describing the project and the spacecraft's features. In answer to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only a concept."" Chahine, who had met Hawking at Caltech about five years before, described the professor as ""a living miracle of the power of the brain. He's miraculous, and he has such a good sense of humor."" The next stop, a demonstration on scientific data visualization in Section 384's Digital Image Animation Lab, entertained and delighted the group, as everyone donned goggles to view 3-D images of Mars. Project Scientist Dr. Eric De Jong showed off the latest data -- a comet that had only recently been discovered in orbit close to Jupiter. Hawking was curious about its composition, and as he was shown how images are developed, he asked several questions on their interpretation. Norman Haynes, ALD, Office of Telecommunications and Data Acquisition, briefed the professor on the Space Flight Operations Facility, and then Hawking spoke with Stone. The day ended with two technical discussions of particular interest to the professor. Technical Group Leader Dr. Frank Estabrook and Senior Research Scientist Hugo Wahlquist described a three-spacecraft gravity wave experiment, currently under way. Then planetary astronomer Dr. Richard Terrile explained the philosophy and plans for extra solar system planetary detection. The Hawking party, which had been visiting Southern California for five weeks, was headquartered at Caltech, and planned to leave for England within a few weeks after the Lab tour. Upon departing, the Cambridge-based scientist promised Chahine that he would return to JPL for another visit. ### ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 4789,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: |> Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial |> thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use |> unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists |> whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit |> out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. |> |> (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA |> electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that |> he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic |> genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out |> binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence But why do you characterize this as a ""flight of fancy"" or a ""fantasy""? While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance of current theory coupled with his observations. It would appear that something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation). This does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of fancy or a fantasy. |> |> It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps |> you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out |> for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first |> advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from |> modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole. Well, I think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word (also, ""extra-scientific"", etc.). Nor am I prepared to give a general account of rationality. In terms of examples, there is some danger of beginning to quibble over what a ""surprising"" experiment is, what counts as ""surprising"", etc. The same may be said about ""logical grounds"". My point is that quite frequently (perhaps even most frequently) the roots of a new theory can be traced to previously existing theories (or even to previously rejected hypotheses of some other theory or domain). I would offer some rather well known examples such as Toricelli's Puy de Dome experiment done for the sake of his ""sea of air"" hypothesis. Was this theory (and the resulting experimental test) ""surprising""? Well, given the *prior* explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must be counted as so. Was the theory constructed (and the experiment designed) out of ""perfectly rational grounds""? Well, there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids. The analogy to fluids by Toricelli is explicit. The novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid (but this was *quite* a novelty at the time). Was the theory interesting? Yes. Was it ""new""? Well, one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain, but I think this begs certain questions. We can debate that if you like. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 4790,12,"From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) Subject: Telephone On Hook/Off Hok Lines: 17 AllMichael CovingtonTelephone on hook/off hok MC>From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) MC>Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens MC>Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, th MC>equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. MC>In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. Ok lets have some calculation here: Going by Australian standards, which I presume might be similar to other countries ( If not, lets have some input) a phone uses 600ohm to loop a 48V line = 80mA. A standard LED drains 20mA. So what is the actual loop current required for an ""off hook"" indication, do you know? Cheers Peter T. " 4791,2,"From: wes1574@zeus.tamu.edu (Bill Scrivener) Subject: In need of help.... Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Ok, I have a problem that I thought you guys/gals might know about.... I'm running a 286dx-25 with a 85mb hdd. I also have windows 3.1, but hardly any dos application will run out it. Also, when I do a ""mem"" command, it says that I have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional memory, zero from upper level memory, and all 385kb of my ems memory. And to top it off, I can't load any device drivers into upper memory. Do I just need more memory? Also, why would it use up ems memory instead of upper memory? Please reply by e-mail only to : wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Scrivener | ""It's not the first time that you Texas A&M University | sleep with a woman that matters, College Station, Texas | but the first time email: wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu | you wake up with her."" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4792,11,"From: tfs@gravity.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Summary: Whatever... Keywords: Hmm... Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va. Distribution: world Expires: 06/31/93 Lines: 65 After reading the debate over the Clipper, I have a few things to add. First, most of the people I know who activly use encryption privately do not care about most of the issues that surround this debate, and any questions about what is or is not ok to use in the US. All they care about is wether or not what they are using is secure or not. That, after all IS the bottom line. Second, if I look at all the people I know who use any form of encryption at all, and this group spans people from the morons who still insist that the DES is a good and secure standard, to people looking at trying to improve upon existing strategies, I can not think of anyone of them who would approve blindly of a strategy that leaves their methods open to abuse. The Clipper does this, because people make mistakes by nature, and the US government is made up of people who are just as vulnerable to mistakes as everyone else. Third, since most of the people I know are at least marginaly familiar with the vulnerabilities present in current software encryption stratigies, I can't see how most of them are going to blindly trust that someone will not figure out a good way to compromise the Clipper Chip. That despite any strengths or weaknesses that may exist in it. So, I can not see a high degree of confidence developing in the chip. Fourth, when it comes to criminal abuse, sure there are many stupid people out there. And yes, some will be open to being caught via the built in back door of the Clipper Chip. However, anyone who is going to do any serious investigation of how best to secure their data is going to run into that problem pretty damned fast and, I would assume, start looking around for other easily obtainible methods of encryption. If nothing else were avalible, none of this would be an issue. However, the truth is that most private encryption users that I've ever run into simply do not give a damn about the legal status of RSA or PGP or anything else. If it works, they use it. This is not going to change either. I do not think for a moment that anyone with serious criminal intent will be slowed down by the advent of the Clipper Chip. It is all to easy to convert encrypted data into unintellgible garbage as it is, if anything, the Clipper Chip just adds another tool to the user. The bottom line here is that people will use what works, and unavoidibly, I'm sure most criminals would rather face an encryption related charge than one which could potentialy lead to death penalty charges in the case of criminals who murder as part of their conspiricy. The other thing that has struck me since the advent and wide useage of public encryption has begun is that quite simply the cat is out of the bag (Or if you have an interest in snooping, Pandora's Box has been opened), and this is not going to change. I've seen a blindness to this that I've found utterly stunning, and the Clipper Chip, along with the way it has been presented only confirms this to me to a larger degree. Sincerly, Tim Scanlon -- tfs@gravity.gmu.edu " 4793,1,"From: jgreen@amber (Joe Green) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 ? Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) wrote: > abraxis@iastate.edu writes in article : > > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip? > As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice. It's got this > quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points. Do you have Weitek's address/phone number? I'd like to get some information about this chip. -- Joe Green Harris Corporation jgreen@csd.harris.com Computer Systems Division ""The only thing that really scares me is a person with no sense of humor."" -- Jonathan Winters " 4794,7,"From: crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany Lines: 33 In rec.autos you write: >if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission, >it can't be half bad.. :-) This McLaren auto-transmission (I still think it's only half auto, but You may be right) has NOTHING to do with Your GM, Chrysler, Volvo, or whatever auto transmission. It's a normal manual transmission gearbox with clutch and all, but there are servo motors, which do the shifting. That means, there is no power loss in the drivetrain (if You take out minimal mechanical friction), and the sami-auto transmissions (Ferrari, Williams, McLaren(?),...) don't tell You, when to shift, either. However, these transmissions share an important disadvantage with Your stock auto-trannie: They are EXPENSIVE. As long as these servo-shifted gearboxes aren't available on 'normal' cars I'm gonna stick with my manual. I just can't see an advantage to make up for two grand I lose in this deal and the loss in mileage and power (except maybe in real heavy traffic). But then I drive mostly on the autobahn and country roads anyway. There's no point in making a religion out of this, I just wanted to point out a few technical facts and MY OWN opinion, so there's no need for a flame war. >eliot Have a safe ride Chris " 4795,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Lie Through Their Teeth! Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr15.204512.11971 Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 63 In revision of history <9304131827@zuma.UUCP> as posted by Turkish Government Agents under the guise of sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) LIE in response to article <1993Apr13.033213.4148@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org and scribed: [(*] Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either [(*] he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He [(*] refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. [(*] May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts [(*] Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow [(*] to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of [(*] ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. [(*] President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- [(*] witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He [(*] survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in [(*] the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder [(*] brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer [(*] within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing [(*] in self-satisfaction. [(*] [(*] Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? [(*] December 17, 1980 - Sydney [(*] Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin [(*] Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. Mr. Turkish Governmental Agent: prove that the SDPA even existed in 1980 or 1982! Go ahead, provide us the newspaper accounts of the assassinations and show us the letters SDPA! The Turkish government is good at excising text from their references, let's see how good thay are at adding text to verifiable newspaper accounts! The Turkish government can't support any of their anti-Armenian claims as typified in the above scribed garbage! That government continues to make false and libelous charges for they have no recourse left after having made fools out of through their attempt at a systematic campaign at denying and covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. Just like a dog barking at a moving bus, it barks, jumps, yells, until the bus stops, at which point it just walks away! Such will be with this posting! Turkish agents level the most ridiculous charges, and when brought to answer, they are silent, like the dog after the bus stops! The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra- nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the world. The resulting inability to address Armenian and Greek refutations of Turkey`s re-write of history is to refer to me as a terrorist, and worse, claim -- as part of the record -- I took responsibility for the murder of 2 people! What a pack of raging fools, blinded by anti-Armenian fascism. It's too bad the socialization policies of the Republic of Turkey requires it to always find non-Turks to de-humanize! Such will be their downfall! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 4796,3,"From: Richard Soderberg Subject: What disk drives are out there? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:56:10 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bart.mic.ki.se Organization: MIC-KIBIC, the Karolinska Institute, Sweden X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 14 When sw is delivered you will often (always?) get 360 k diskettes if you opt for the 5 1/4 inch format. How big a %-tage of existing PC/XT/AT/PS2's have these low capacity drives as their only diskette station? (o o) +------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-----------------------------+ | Richard Soderberg, MD | The Karolinska Institute | | Systems analyst | MIC-KIBIC | | Voice#: +8 46 728 80 00 | Library and | | Fax# : +8 46 33 04 81 | Medical Information Center | | Snail : PO Box 602 01 | Doktorsringen 21 C, | | S-104 01 Stockholm | S-104 01 Stockholm | | Email : richard@micb.mic.ki.se | SWEDEN | +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ " 4797,8,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 30 In article maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after >you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I >don't ride until tomorrow""? Interesting discussion. I limit myself to *one* 'standard serving' of alcohol if I'm going to ride. And mostly, unless the alcohol is something special (fine ale, good wine, or someone else's vsop), I usually just don't drink *any*. But then alcohol just isn't really important to me, mainly for financial reasons... At least one of the magazines claims to follow the aviation guideline of ""no alcohol whatsoever"" within 24hrs of riding a 'company' bike. Don't remember which mag though, it was a few years ago. Regards, Charles (hicc.) DoD:0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 4798,7,"From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: vu-vlsi.C52FrE.8qF Organization: Villanova University Lines: 17 >My '66 Ford has vent windows operated by a crank, just like a window >(only it opened out, like a normal vent window). My '70 F100, my >dad's '84 Bronco, and pretty much every truck I've seen that's >worth riding in has vent windows. > >Does that mean that I'm not a young feller anymore? :-) > > James > >James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center I don't understand the fascination with vent windows. They create a tremendous turbulence and noise that makes even a simple connversation impossible at speeds above 40mph. The current flow-throuh ventilation, if designed right, are far more superior. Bijan " 4799,8,From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Kawasaki 440 AE for sale. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Included in thas sale is a Cover . THe cover is not sold separately. The trailer is not being sold. pat 4800,6,"From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu) Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu A slightly used (less than two months old) SupraFaxModem is for sale. It comes with latest ROM 1.2H, communication software, fax software, original manuals, and the original registration card. Here are some specs: Model # : SUPFAXV32BIS Description : SupraFaxModem V.32bis Type : Internal Data Speed : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400/1200/300 bps data (upto 57000bps with V.42 data compression) Protocols : Bell 103/212A,CCIT V.21/V.22/V.22bis/V.32/V.32bis/V.42/ : V.42bis, MNP 2-5, & MNP 10 Fax : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400 bps send/receive fax : Class 1 & 2 commnads : Group III compatible Transmission: V.17,V.29,V.27ter other : non-volatile memory; autoanswer/autodial (tone or pulse); extended AT commands and result codes; includes diagnostics, phone jacks, subscriptions to free online services. 5 year warranty. Asking : $180 (neg.) + S/H If interested, please e-mail. Thanks! " 4801,15,"From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) Subject: Book Review Wanted Organization: Rice University Lines: 18 I'm interested if anyone out here can point me towards a review of the following book in any scholarly Christian journal, whether it be conservative or liberal, Protestant or Catholic. _The_Lost_Years_of_Jesus_ (documentary evidence for Jesus' 17 year journey to the East), by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Supposedly this is a theory that was refuted in the past, and she has re-examined it. I thought this was just another novel book, but I saw it listed as a text for a class in religious studies here. Also, the endorsements seem to come from some credible sources, so I'm wondering if scholars have reviewed it (or anyone on the net, for that matter). -- Rob Butera | ECE Grad Student | ""Only sick music makes money today"" Rice University | Houston, TX 77054 | - Nietzsche, 1888 " 4802,2,"Organization: Penn State University From: Azmi Hashim Subject: Re: Trident VGA Drivers Lines: 12 In article , bjcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Brendan NEWMAN) says: >Hi, I have a trident TVGA-8900 video card and need the updated >drivers for Win3.1 where can I get them from an ftp site. I have the same card, TVGA-8900c. When I checked, the latest driver for windows 3.1 is dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi in /win31/drivers/video. If you find a better version (updated) please let me know, Thanks. -Azmi " 4803,15,"From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: What did Lazarus smell like? Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering Lines: 20 In article rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes: > >My guess is that the ""Lazarus, come out!"" was also for the sake of the >crowd. I read somewhere, I think in Morton Smith's _Jesus the Magician_, that old Lazarus wasn't dead, but going in the tomb was part of an initiation rite for a magi-cult, of which Jesus was also a part. It appears that a 3-day stay was normal. I wonder .... ? [I haven't read that book, but another one by Smith in which similar claims were made about Jesus. While I'm sure Smith knows more about early Chrisitanity than I do, I found his arguments similar to those of books like ""Holy Blood, Holy Grail"" -- building conjectures on top of other conjectures. There was no direct evidence. If you'd like to summarize the argument for us, I'd be happy to see it. But in doing so, I'd like you to pay careful attention to the nature of the evidence. --clh] " 4804,8,"From: Dave Dal Farra Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>> X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:15:17 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm41a Organization: BNR Ltd. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> Chris BeHanna, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes: >In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra writes: >>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago >>in Cycle Canada. >> >>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous >>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get >>revenge. >> >>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop >>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no >>shoulder. Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch >>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards >>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the >>passing world. >> >>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two >>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel. >> >>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition >>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction. >> >>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada? > > Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that >the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system >he just destroyed. The owner's manual explicitly warns against such >behavior for exactly that reason: you can destroy your muflers that way. > >Later, >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike >Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name >agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. Ya, Fat Chance. The ""offending"" rider was a moto journalist. Those guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes. One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked. Dave D.F. ""It's true they say that money talks. When mine spoke it said 'Buy me a Drink!'."" " 4805,17,"From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) Subject: News briefs from KH # 1026 Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu Organization: NTT Corp. Japan Lines: 31 From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 -------------------------- o Dr. Namaki, deputy minister of health stated that infant mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120 per thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at the end of 1371 (last month). o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only 254f children received vaccinations to protect them from various deseases but this figure reached 93at the end of 1371. o Dr. Malekzadeh, the minister of health mentioned that the population growth rate in Iran at the end of 1371 went below 2.7 o During the visit of Mahathir Mohammad, the prime minister of Malaysia, to Iran, agreements for cooperation in the areas of industry, trade, education and tourism were signed. According to one agreement, Iran will be in charge of building Malaysia's natural gas network. ---------------------------------------------------------- - Farzin Mokhtarian -- " 4806,10,"From: ""Patricia L. Bruno"" Subject: Re: Hockey Hell Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: > >In article , >rgemeinh@separator.ecn.purdue.edu (Richard A Gemeinhart) wrote: >> >> In article <1993Mar26.155933.9669@ncsu.edu> fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICH >AE SALVATORE) writes: >> > >> > >> >I am originally from New York State, and I go to school >> >in North Carolina. Yet, I don't constantly gripe about >> >the lack of hockey. Wouldn't some of you who chose to go >> >to school in the South realize (most who gripe are Clemson students) >> >that hockey isn't quite as popular in South Carolina >> >when you chose a school? >> > >> >Why did you all (excuse me - y'all) choose schools in >> >the South if hockey was this important to you? >> >> Not everyone has the luxury of deciding on a college by making sure the >> hockey coveraage is what you want it to be. I am a Pittsburgh transplan >> to S. C. when at home and the coveraage sucks. Sports south didn't even show >> the final game of the Stanley Cup laast year while it was happening. They >> put it on ktape delay and cut the intermissions then went off the air. >> When you move you take the good with the bad and deal with it; it doesn't >> mean thaat you can't complain about it. > >I was transplanted by my parents from the Greater Hartford area to the >Greater Cleveland, Ohio area. This was not an action of my choice. The >only hockey coverage I could get there regularly was Red Wings and Penguins >(explaining, in part, why I follow these teams today). In Cleveland you >couldn't even find hockey scores on the 11 o'clock news because they >figured that if they didn't have it, it wasn't a sport. > At least your parents didn't move you Idaho. The only things that get any coverage there are football, basketball and baseball! Patty " 4807,16,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: S414 (Brady bill) loopholes? Keywords: brady handguns s414 hr1025 hr277 instant check waiting period Lines: 74 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support Distribution: na In article , shepard@netcom.com (Mark Shepard) writes: >Hi. I've just finished reading S414, and have several questions about >the Brady bills (S414 and HR1025). Good! > >1. _Are_ these the current versions of the Brady bill? > What is the status of these bills? I've heard they're ""in committee"". > How close is that to being made law? Not very. Thanks to the filibuster in the Senate, things are backing up. The House judiciary is going to start looking at our friends from the ATF, so that bill will be held up a little, too. NOTE: Things can change quickly. > >2. S414 and HR1025 seem fairly similar. Are there any important > differences I missed? > >3. S414 seems to have some serious loopholes: > A. S414 doesn't specify an ""appeals"" process to wrongful denial during > the waiting period, other than a civil lawsuit(?) (S414 has an appeals > process once the required instant background check system is established, > but not before). I thought there was a correction process in both bills for both parts. > B. the police are explicitly NOT liable for mistakes in denying/approving > using existing records (so who would I sue in ""A"" above to have an > inaccurate record corrected?) Very correct. > C. S414 includes an exception-to-waiting-period clause for if a person > can convince the local Chief Law-Enforcement Officer (CLEO) of an > immediate threat to his or her life, or life of a household member. > But S414 doesn't say exactly what is considered a ""threat"", nor does > it place a limit on how long the CLEO takes to issue an exception > statement. Welcome to the world of ""the privileged"". >True? Have I misunderstood? Any other 'holes? How about no compulsion to allow purchase if there is no evidence against? > >4. With just S414, what's to stop a person with a ""clean"" record from > buying guns, grinding off the serial numbers, and selling them to crooks? > At minimum, what additional laws are needed to prevent this? It is already illegal to do this. > > 'Seems at min. a ""gun counting"" scheme would be needed > (e.g., ""John Doe owns N guns""). So, if S414 passes, I wouldn't be surprised > to see legislation for stricter, harder-to-forge I.D.'s plus national gun > registration, justified by a need to make the Brady bill work. This is the ""health"" card. Or so some ""paranoids"" claim. I say that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. :-) 1/2 > >Please comment. I'm mainly interested in specific problems with the current >legislation--I don't mean to start a general discussion of the merits >of any/all waiting-period bills ever proposed. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 4808,6,"From: karu@nevada.edu (NARANAPITI KARUNARATNE) Subject: Software and Hardware FOR SALE Nntp-Posting-Host: helios.nevada.edu Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services Lines: 21 I have the following items for sale: Animation Works software for Macintosh by Gold Disk This is a brand new shrink-wrapped copy Microsoft Excel for Windows Ver. 4.0 Opened, but includes everything including Registration card Video7 FastWrite VGA card. 512 video memory. 800x600 resolution. Everex 2400b internal modem. Video card and the modem are used items. If you are interested make a reasonable offer. I wish to ship these UPS COD. Please email me at karu@nevada.edu. Thank you. Karu. karu@nevada.edu " 4809,9,"From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) Subject: AL OPI through first week+ Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 186 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all AL players with at least 10 at bats. It is early in the season so there are some very high numbers. Last years leader was Frank Thomas at 0.682. Teams are denoted by an * as the first character of the name and each player has his team preceeding his name. The equations used are found at the end of the post. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Kevin League OPI: 0.448 League BA: 0.268 League SLG: 0.405 League OBA: 0.341 Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA ----------------------------------------------------- 1 Tor,carter 2.142 0.583 1.417 0.615 2 Cle,baerga 1.432 0.520 1.040 0.538 3 Det,phillips 1.334 0.565 0.609 0.655 4 Oak,mcgwire 1.147 0.364 0.636 0.632 5 Tor,white 1.065 0.500 0.650 0.545 6 Bal,anderson 0.951 0.423 0.692 0.500 7 NYY,owen 0.934 0.500 0.577 0.567 8 Oak,rhenderson 0.911 0.391 0.565 0.533 9 Mil,thon 0.804 0.476 0.619 0.476 10 Oak,browne 0.800 0.476 0.476 0.522 11 Tex,palmer 0.781 0.333 0.875 0.333 11 Det,gibson 0.781 0.312 0.562 0.500 13 Cle,howard 0.755 0.455 0.727 0.455 14 NYY,tartabull 0.742 0.296 0.667 0.424 15 Tex,rodriguez 0.736 0.429 0.500 0.529 15 Tex,gonzalez 0.736 0.261 0.913 0.292 17 Bos,zupcic 0.728 0.400 0.500 0.455 18 Sea,felder 0.723 0.357 0.429 0.471 19 Oak,blankenship 0.722 0.333 0.333 0.524 20 Min,puckett 0.717 0.280 0.720 0.379 21 NYY,oneill 0.710 0.435 0.609 0.458 22 Cle,belle 0.703 0.348 0.696 0.375 23 Sea,buhner 0.699 0.294 0.471 0.478 24 Mil,hamilton 0.682 0.458 0.458 0.500 25 Det,whitaker 0.680 0.312 0.500 0.421 26 Det,fielder 0.666 0.273 0.591 0.407 27 Tor,sprague 0.649 0.300 0.750 0.300 28 Whi,cora 0.646 0.350 0.500 0.458 29 Whi,raines 0.641 0.250 0.750 0.308 30 NYY,kelly 0.625 0.348 0.565 0.375 31 Bos,quintana 0.617 0.455 0.455 0.455 32 Sea,tmartinez 0.612 0.211 0.632 0.348 32 Cal,gonzales 0.612 0.250 0.250 0.478 34 Whi,burks 0.609 0.348 0.565 0.375 35 Cal,snow 0.602 0.368 0.526 0.400 36 Whi,karkovice 0.598 0.167 0.417 0.412 37 *Cleveland 0.595 0.340 0.549 0.377 38 Cle,sorrento 0.594 0.273 0.727 0.273 39 Sea,amaral 0.587 0.368 0.579 0.429 39 Bos,cooper 0.587 0.375 0.458 0.423 41 Min,winfield 0.578 0.292 0.667 0.292 42 Cal,curtis 0.571 0.333 0.381 0.417 43 Bos,mvaughn 0.566 0.316 0.526 0.350 44 Oak,steinbach 0.556 0.333 0.542 0.385 45 *Oakland 0.555 0.298 0.439 0.406 46 NYY,maas 0.547 0.333 0.389 0.429 47 Kan,joyner 0.546 0.300 0.400 0.417 48 Min,knoblauch 0.535 0.304 0.348 0.448 49 Bos,greenwell 0.534 0.261 0.478 0.370 50 Oak,brosius 0.532 0.273 0.545 0.333 51 Tor,olerud 0.530 0.333 0.400 0.412 52 Bal,mercedes 0.529 0.286 0.429 0.412 53 *NYYankees 0.527 0.321 0.468 0.377 54 Bal,hoiles 0.525 0.263 0.526 0.333 55 Mil,kmak 0.523 0.286 0.286 0.412 56 Oak,dhenderson 0.517 0.231 0.462 0.412 57 Cle,lofton 0.515 0.346 0.385 0.370 58 Min,larkin 0.514 0.357 0.500 0.400 59 Bos,dawson 0.504 0.333 0.458 0.360 60 Cle,camartinez 0.503 0.333 0.389 0.400 61 Det,gladden 0.498 0.312 0.500 0.312 62 Cal,polonia 0.494 0.292 0.500 0.320 63 *California 0.487 0.295 0.404 0.364 64 *Detroit 0.484 0.260 0.410 0.357 65 Det,tettleton 0.475 0.211 0.421 0.348 66 Cal,disarcina 0.473 0.304 0.478 0.304 67 Cal,easley 0.472 0.304 0.435 0.333 68 Bal,baines 0.470 0.300 0.400 0.364 69 Tex,franco 0.469 0.300 0.350 0.391 70 Whi,ljohnson 0.464 0.280 0.400 0.333 71 Sea,vizquel 0.463 0.222 0.222 0.417 72 NYY,bwilliams 0.461 0.294 0.471 0.314 73 Mil,gvaughn 0.460 0.222 0.389 0.391 74 Min,hrbek 0.458 0.240 0.360 0.367 75 Bal,cripken 0.451 0.333 0.407 0.379 75 *Seattle 0.451 0.237 0.367 0.361 77 Cal,salmon 0.448 0.267 0.267 0.450 78 Kan,mcreynolds 0.447 0.182 0.500 0.280 79 *Toronto 0.443 0.261 0.430 0.318 79 *Texas 0.443 0.237 0.489 0.289 81 Min,pagliarulo 0.439 0.286 0.429 0.333 82 *WhiteSox 0.432 0.243 0.378 0.336 83 Kan,hiatt 0.431 0.278 0.500 0.316 84 Whi,guillen 0.426 0.263 0.263 0.364 85 Whi,thomas 0.419 0.259 0.333 0.355 86 Kan,mcrae 0.414 0.296 0.333 0.345 87 *Boston 0.411 0.270 0.365 0.336 88 Cle,hill 0.410 0.300 0.500 0.300 89 NYY,mattingly 0.400 0.324 0.353 0.343 90 *Baltimore 0.394 0.251 0.361 0.315 91 Bal,gomez 0.382 0.316 0.316 0.350 91 *Minnesota 0.382 0.237 0.379 0.298 93 Whi,fisk 0.381 0.273 0.545 0.273 94 Cle,jefferson 0.379 0.263 0.316 0.333 95 Oak,neel 0.370 0.188 0.500 0.188 96 Cal,cdavis 0.369 0.211 0.421 0.250 97 Bos,fletcher 0.364 0.217 0.391 0.280 98 *Milwaukee 0.361 0.257 0.293 0.333 99 Det,livingstone 0.360 0.250 0.438 0.294 100 Tor,ralomar 0.354 0.263 0.316 0.333 101 *KansasCity 0.343 0.236 0.327 0.291 102 Oak,bordick 0.339 0.200 0.250 0.304 103 Tex,canseco 0.337 0.190 0.381 0.261 104 Sea,valle 0.336 0.250 0.312 0.294 105 Bal,devereaux 0.329 0.207 0.379 0.233 106 Kan,lind 0.323 0.188 0.438 0.188 107 Mil,surhoff 0.312 0.227 0.273 0.292 107 Kan,brett 0.312 0.259 0.296 0.286 109 Whi,bell 0.310 0.207 0.310 0.258 110 Cle,salomar 0.306 0.200 0.200 0.304 111 Mil,jaha 0.304 0.267 0.267 0.353 111 Det,fryman 0.304 0.185 0.296 0.214 113 NYY,boggs 0.296 0.200 0.233 0.294 114 Tex,bripken 0.290 0.250 0.333 0.308 115 Min,mack 0.289 0.233 0.333 0.258 116 Min,harper 0.288 0.280 0.280 0.280 117 Cle,fermin 0.284 0.200 0.200 0.304 118 Bos,rivera 0.276 0.118 0.176 0.286 119 Mil,spiers 0.275 0.231 0.231 0.286 120 Mil,yount 0.268 0.208 0.208 0.269 121 Tor,schofield 0.265 0.133 0.267 0.235 121 Tex,hulse 0.265 0.154 0.308 0.214 123 Sea,griffey 0.261 0.105 0.263 0.261 124 Sea,obrien 0.259 0.100 0.100 0.308 124 Kan,macfarlane 0.259 0.273 0.273 0.333 126 Oak,sierra 0.256 0.200 0.240 0.231 127 Kan,jose 0.254 0.167 0.167 0.286 128 Bos,hatcher 0.252 0.188 0.188 0.278 129 Sea,blowers 0.251 0.200 0.200 0.273 130 Whi,ventura 0.247 0.167 0.167 0.310 130 Tex,palmeiro 0.247 0.130 0.261 0.167 132 Bal,reynolds 0.227 0.118 0.118 0.250 133 Kan,mayne 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 133 Cal,myers 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 135 NYY,nokes 0.219 0.150 0.300 0.150 136 Bos,calderon 0.209 0.167 0.167 0.286 137 Bos,pena 0.207 0.267 0.267 0.267 138 Tor,molitor 0.194 0.150 0.200 0.190 139 Det,deer 0.182 0.125 0.167 0.192 140 Det,cuyler 0.179 0.077 0.154 0.143 141 Tor,borders 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 142 Whi,grebeck 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 143 Bal,gdavis 0.137 0.111 0.148 0.143 144 Tex,dascenzo 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 145 Min,leius 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 145 Mil,reimer 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 147 Tor,djackson 0.114 0.133 0.133 0.133 148 Tex,gill 0.070 0.059 0.059 0.158 149 Kan,gagne 0.042 0.095 0.095 0.095 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- AB - H BA = H / AB SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB) -- Jet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu 4800 Oak Grove Dr. | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov M/S 525-3684 | Pasadena, CA 91109 | " 4810,4,"From: maennig@veronica.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Olaf Maennig) Subject: Problems with A/ROSE Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: maennig@veronica.informatik.uni-dortmund.de NNTP-Posting-Host: veronica.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Does anyone work with the A/ROSE card? We have the problem that after certain crashes the card disappears from the system, and lets crash the Mac then. Okay, we don't use the card quite like one should, because we simulate errors in the 68000. Before every instruction some specified registers are masked, eg. to simulate a stuck-at-1-error in certain bits. Normally, the ""crash instance"" of A/ROSE notices a crash, sets a flag and stops working. By reading the mentioned flag the Mac can notice a card crash. That works fine for almost all crashes, but as said, sometimes the card doesn't set the flag and disappears from the system. The documentation of A/ROSE does not tell us anything about its behavior when crashing, and so at the moment we are trying to understand by analyzing the assembler code, and that's both frustrating and lengthy. So, can anyone help? Please only reply via email, as I don't read this group. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ Department of Computer Science IV / \ |\/| University of Dortmund, Germany \_/laf | |aennig e-mail: maennig@veronica.informatik.uni-dortmund.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""In the beginning God created Adam ... ahem! ... atoms. Atoms of hydrogen."" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4811,19,"From: lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) Subject: Re: Cannibalism was Albert Sabin Organization: Purdue University Physics Department Lines: 49 In article zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (C ornelius Krasel) writes: >In pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: > >>In article <1pk2d0$7q1@access.digex.net> >>huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes: >>>In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes : >>>}Do you have any examples of ritual cannibalism, particulary amongst the >>>}primates? >>>Why the ""ritual"" qualifier? > >>I was thinking of instances were a particular food or foods or drinks >>are used to symbolize or ritualize cannibalism. Do you know of any human >>cultures that have this type of mythology? For example, where one might >>eat a food as representative of the body of a god, thus ritualized >>cannibalism in the absence of the original. > >I know of ritual cannibalism among tribes in Papua-Neuguinea (?). >They used to eat the brain of killed opponents. Sometimes these brains >contained infectious agents which lead to a disease called ""Kuru"". >Since cannibalism was banished by the government, the number of Kuru >cases has dropped sharply. > Oh, yeah? Well---*I* know of .... Anyways, cannibalism is much more commmon than those who feel that it is wrong (and then point out that the fact that western civilisation doesn't do it is PROOF positive that we are more advanced) would have us believe. Cannibalism is often used in funeral ceremonies as a way of keeping the deceased loved one alive. Many other cultures (including many American Indian cultures) eat/ate the flesh of slain enemies, often as a way of showing respect for the valor of the departed. Hearts are often favored for this, as it contains the spirit. Have you ever read or seen ""Alive"", which is the story of the Argentinian boys soccer team that crashed in the Andes and then ate the bodies of those who died in order to survive? Finger lickin good. How about the Twighlight Zone episode ""To Serve Man""? If you want more info on this, a good place to start is on sci.anthropology Now send me $20 and eat my flesh, Dan lovall@physics.purdue.edu " 4812,7,"From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Keywords: oily to bed Organization: A.S.I., Merritt Island, Florida Distribution: usa Lines: 9 Ah, yes, the big chunks down in the sump. The solution is simple. Sort of like the advice my Aunt always gave -- never scratch your ear with anything except your elbow. If you have pieces of ring, con rods, valve heads or stems, just reach into the sump through the hole in the block that was associated with the creation of those large bits and pieces. Anything you can't remove with one hand through the hole in the block may safely be left in place. " 4813,15,"From: lieuwen@allegra.att.com (Dan Lieuwen) Subject: Re: The obvious isn't politically correct. Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ Lines: 5 The last state church was in Massachusetts. Sam Adams, the patriot-brewmaster, during his tenure as governor after the Revolutionary War got it passed. I believe it was eliminated around 1820. dan " 4814,3,"From: silvera@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (paolo silvera) Subject: What SVGA ? Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Lines: 21 Excuse me to every one. I am an Amiga owner and tired to have the same graphic modes. So I saw on nn there was a little bridgeboard that made the Amiga's PC slots communicate with the stanndard Amiga's slot. The building mother house of this little gadget assure me that using this thing I can use all the pc boards included the SVGA cards. I am interested in computer graphics and I do not know many things about pc in general. So, what is the best (ISA slot) card on the market ? I'd like to reach resolutions like 1280x1024 with 256 colors or 800x600 with 24 bitplanes. Any suggestion ?? thankyou in advance Paolo Silvera -- Certified Commodore Amiga developer silvera@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it " 4815,18,"From: akasacou@alfred.carleton.ca (Alexander Kasacous) Subject: Re: Chrysler bailout Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr5.195216.27893@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) writes: > > Plug this one in- I'm a Conservative, I *hate* Pee-Cee's (although I >have to use one at work), and am a proud owner of a NeXT Station. > >The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? >-- You have just reminded me of an old Tom Paxton song... I""M CHANGING MY NAME TO CHRYSLER (Tom Paxton, 1980) Oh the price of gold is rising out of sight And the dollar is in sorry shape tonight What the dollar used to get us Now won't buy a head of lettus No the economic forecast isn't right But amidst the clouds I spot a shining ray I caneven glimpse a new and better way And I've devised a plan of action Worked it down to the last fraction And I'm going into action here today. Chorus: I am changing my name to Chrysler I am going down to Washington D.C. I will tell some power broker What they did for Iacoca Will be perfectly acceptable to me. I am changing my name to Chrysler I am heading for that great receiving line So when they hand a million grand out I'll be standing with my hand out Yes sir I'll get mine When my creditors are screaming for their dough I'll be proud to tell them all where they can go They won'y have to scream and holler They'll all be paid to the last dollar Where the endless streams of money seam to flow I'll be glad to tell them all what they can do Its just a matter of a simple form or two It's not renumeration it's a liberal education Ain't you kind of glad that I'm in debt to you Chorus Since the first first amphibians crawled out of the slime We've been struggling in an unrelenting climb We were hardly up and walking before money started talking And it's sad failure is an awful crime It's been that way for a millennium or two But now it seems there's a different point of view If you're a corporate titanic and your failure is gigantic Down in congress there is a safety net for you. Chorus... Perhaps Steven Jobs should take Paxton's advice and change his name to Chrysler, or perhaps set himself up as an S&L, maybe Neil Bush could give him a hand? ================================================================ akasacou@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn... J.Morrison The opinions expressed above are mine. Like anyone else would admit to them. ================================================================ " 4816,10,"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept. In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu> jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: > It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since >the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball >game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN. They tried their best not to show it, believe me. I'm surprised they couldn't find a sprint car race (mini cars through pigpens, indeed!) on short notice. George -- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 " 4817,1,"From: csc3phx@vaxa.hofstra.edu Subject: Loosing color. Lines: 9 Hi guys. I am scanning in a color image and it looks fine on the screen. When I converted it into PCX,BMP,GIF files so as to get it into MS Windows the colors got much lighter. For example the yellows became white. Any ideas? thanks Dan csc3phx@vaxc.hofstra.edu " 4818,18,"From: ries@hqrim.sedd.trw.com (Marc Ries) Subject: Re: "" Only $17 / Month! "" Nntp-Posting-Host: hqrim.sedd.trw.com Organization: TRW SEDD Lines: 25 A Alan Brock 4/14/93 Orange County Register Editorial titled ""A case for repealing the income tax"" got my attention. Some quotes: ""... a tax on income, because of the flexible definition of that concept, invites the government to snoop into every nook and cranny of our lives. Encouraging people to snoop on one another and report transgressions against the almighty state, which most Americans deplored in Nazi or communist regimes..."" ""... Although most Americans paid no income tax at all 50 years ago -- withholding began only during World War II, as a ""temporary"" exigency, and in 1948 the median family federal income tax was $9..."" ""Last year the federal government got only 37 percent of its income from income taxes... How long ago was it that the federal government somehow managed to stagger along on 63 percent of its 1992 revenue? ... Would you believe five?..."" ""... The income tax has converted a free people into a society of the fearful and the snitches..."" " 4819,5,"From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans) Subject: MenuButton Widget Question Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) Organization: make it stop Lines: 9 I'm trying to create a button that has both a label and a bitmap using the MenuButton widget. Is this possible? Right now, all I get is the bitmap -- no sign of the label. Any help would be appreciated. scott " 4820,1,"From: s127@ii.uib.no (Torgeir Veimo) Subject: Re: sources for shading wanted Organization: Institutt for Informatikk UIB Norway Lines: 24 In article <1r3ih5INNldi@irau40.ira.uka.de>, S_BRAUN@IRAV19.ira.uka.de (Thomas Braun) writes: |> I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms. |> Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that. 'Illumination and Color in Computer Generated Imagery' by Roy Hall contains c source for several famous illumination models, including Bouknight, Phong, Blinn, Whitted, and Hall illumination models. If you want an introduction to shading you might look through the book 'Writing a Raytracer' edited by Glassner. Also, the book 'Procedural elements for Computer Graphics' by Rogers is a good reference. Source for code in these book are available on the net i believe, you might check out nic.funet.fi or some site closer to you carrying graphics related stuff. Hope this is what you were asking for. -- Torgeir Veimo Studying at the University of Bergen ""...I'm gona wave my freak flag high!"" (Jimi Hendrix) ""...and it would be okay on any other day!"" (The Police) " 4821,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 21 Graham Toal writes: >Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen >to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me >like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people >who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more. I'm not sure it is a major limiting move... in the academic circles I've seen, arguing for increased government intervention and management is almost always a plus (not the least because it usually means more high paying jobs for academics as ""advisors""). Also consider that it looks like Denning has some decent NSA / government connections, which is always a plus for an academic institute that wants more government funding and work tossed their way. Despicable, yes; career limiting, well, the publicity probably outweighs the drawbacks. And there are a whole bunch of people who think the whole thing is just peachy keen. If it's only going to be used against drug dealers, child pornographers, and terrorists, well it must be good. :p -- Truth is hard to find and harder to obscure. " 4822,10,"From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: NHLPA poll (Stats/3rd uptade) Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 54 3rd uptade: Here are the standings for the poll after 39 votes: 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd,... 1 point for 5th: EA/ NHLPA game 1. DET 102 2. CHI 97 3. NY 74 4. VAN 73 5. MTL 69 6. PIT 33 7. WSH 29 8. BOS 21 9..ASW 16 10.CGY 10 11.QUE 9 12.ASE 8 13.WPG 7 14.LA 5 OTW 5 STL 5 TOR 5 18.BUF 3 PHI 3 TBY 3 21.SJ 2 22.MIN 1 Atlanta to win Turner Cup 1 (not in the game, but 1 person vote) 24.EDM 0 HTF 0 LI 0 NJ 0 4 teams have no point Continue to send your votes in this format (until April 20th, approximately) ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. ------------------------------------------------ Keywords: -- _____________________________________________________ Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr _____________________________________________________ " 4823,10,"From: shah@pitt.edu (Ravindra S Shah) Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Deepak Chhabra (dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca) wrote: : Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate. I haven't seen a : team so potent on the rush in a long time. Watching them break out of their : zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch. They remind me of the Red : Army. : dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan) Yeah, the Nords look like they're going to be good...but (excuse the bias) have you ever watched the Pens on a rush?...Don't answer: everyone has seen this footage. Near the end of the season when the Pens played the Nords it was like watching a (younger) double of the Pens. ...The Nords looked good right up to the point when they lost. -- Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu ""La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: ""Music will bring ideas y siempre continuara' and will continue forever sonido electro'nico electronic sound decibel sinte'tico"" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel"" -Kraftwerk " 4824,18,"From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >> In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >> >In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >> I really don't want to waste time in >> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! > > Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am >not eager to make a fool of myself. Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you wish. The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced organized crime specifically; etc, etc If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little research. > From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification >if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize >alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison worthless. >Vice statutes serve >only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous >for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however, And so it shall be if the government (by the people) decides that these vices are detrimental to the society as a whole. > And why, pray tell, is AIDS ""victim"" in snear quotes? Are you of >the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS >plauge? Or do they just deserve it? The overwhelmingly vast majority (get the point) of AIDS cases are contracted thru behavioral CHOICES. Nuff said. " 4825,7,"From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 6 Distribution: world Reply-To: barnesm@sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com I was following an example of the LH the other day, and noticed the fit between the tunk lid and the rear bumper. The gap was quite small on the left side, but much larger on the right. Blech!!! ---Mark " 4826,10,"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 21 Tom Barrasso wore a great mask, one time, last season. He unveiled it at a game in Boston. It was all black, with Pgh city scenes on it. The ""Golden Triangle"" (Pgh's downtown area where the 3 rivers meet) graced the top, along with a steel mill on one side and the Civic Arena (I think) on the other. On the back of the helmet was the old Pens' logo (the really fat little penguin with the blue scarf) the current (at the time) Pens logo, and a space for the ""new"" (now current) logo. Tommy had designed the mask, and his mother (an artist) painted it for him. But while wearing the mask, the Pens got thumped by the Bruins. The very next game, Tommy was back to the old paint job. A great mask done in by a goalie's superstition. Lori " 4827,3,"From: brand@s1.gov (Hal R. Brand) Subject: Request For Input: MultiSpin CD-ROM Drives Organization: LLNL Lines: 9 Distribution: world Reply-To: brand@s1.gov (Hal R. Brand) NNTP-Posting-Host: s1.gov Keywords: CD-ROM I'm looking into getting an external, reasonably fast (<350 ms avg access time) Multispin CD-ROM drive that supports ""Photo CD Multi Session"", has audio output, and SCSI interface for connection to the PAS16 SCSI port. Does anyone have any comments/experiences/warnings/recommendations they'd like to share concerning the Texel DM-5024 and/or Toshiba TXM-3401E and/or others. THANKS! Hal R. Brand brand@s1.gov " 4828,0,"From: rush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Voelkerding) Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 52 In article <11812@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.205414.3982@leland.Stanford.EDU> rush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Voelkerding) writes: >> >>If we worry about the one case in 20,000 (or more) where an innocent man is >>convicted of something horrible enough to warrant the death penalty, and >>hence put laws into place which make it virtually impossible to actually >>execute real criminals, then the death penalty is not serving its original >>purpose. It should either be changed or done away with. >> > > I don't have numbers to back this up, so take the following > accordingly. > > You use an off-the-cuff number of 1 in 20,000 innocent people > sentenced to die as an acceptable loss for the benefit of capital > punishment. I'd be very, very surprised if the ratio were that > low. There have been approximately a dozen known cases of the > execution of the innocent in the US since the turn of the century. > Have we in that same period sentenced 240,000 people to death? > Accounting for those cases that we don't know the truth, it seems > reasonable to assume that twice that many innocent people have in > fact been executed. That would raise the number of death > sentences metered out since 1900 to half a million for your > acceptance ratio to hold. I rather doubt that's the case. > > > The point, of course, is what *is* an acceptable loss. 1 in > 10,000? Seems we're probably not doing even that well. 1 in 100? > 1 in 2? Or should we perhaps find a better solution? > >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM > Any suggestions as to what a better solution might be? I realize the off-hand nature of the numbers I used. And I can't answer as to what an acceptable loss rate is. However, as I said in another post, I despise the idea of supporting criminals for life. It's the economics of the situation that concern me most. The money spent feeding, clothing, housing and taking care of people who have demonstrated that they are unfit to live in society could go to a number of places, all of which I, and probably others, would consider far more worthwhile and which would enrish the lives of all Americans. Give people jobs, give the homeless shelter. Any number of things. Clyde -- Little girls, like butterflies, don't need a reason! - Robert Heinlein " 4829,10,"From: adams@hunter.unr.edu (Brian Adams) Subject: Re: In memoriam: Dan Kelly and Danny Gallivan Organization: University of Nevada, Reno Department of Computer Science Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr5.194440.18546@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >In article burke.1@nd.edu (R. P. Burke) writes: >>When talking about hockey broadcasters, let's give a moment of silence to >>remember the St. Louis Blues' great, Dan Kelly. (Many of you may have heard >>him in the late 60s and early 70s on CBS.) He used to do Hockey Night In >>Canada intermissions, with another recently deceased great, Danny Gallivan >>of the Canadiens. > I *loved* Dan Kelly! He was on USA when I first got hooked on Hockey back in 1980 or so. No, he wasn't always spot on top of the play, and he wasn't overly cute, but those pipes! That lusty, barrel chested, voice! No pipsqueak was he (unlike some fellas we know!) I rode into hockey mania on the coattails of Gretzky and the Boys on the Bus. My first Finals saw the Islanders sweep them. But I'll never forget the night, a year later, when the Oilers closed it out at home in the pandemonium, the smoke from a million sparklers, the long empty-net goal near the end, and Dan Kelly letting the crowd's reaction tell the story for a few long seconds, then that voice barking through the din ""Dave Lumley ... sews it up for Edmonton!"" It sounds stupid, but that early (for me) hockey memory will always bring a thrill. Since then I've grown a lot more jaded about the game, but I was really saddened by Dan Kelly's passing. He was one of the good guys. Brian Adams Reno " 4830,1,"From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu Subject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?! Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr23.033843.26854@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes: > There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from > wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and > is called ""grfwk61t.zip."" This program should od everthing > you need. > > -- > > TMC > (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) THANKS! It did work, and it is just what I needed thanks... Joshuaf " 4831,12,"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: Subject: Re: ADC card for computer Distribution: world Lines: 54 In article <1qi8e3$b5e@lll-winken.llnl.gov>, you say: > >I would like to digitize the output of a SQUID magnetometer (range -10 V >to +10 V) and do digital signal processing in a computer, say a Macintosh >II or a 486 PC. I would like a good 16 bit ADC with good linearity and a >high conversion speed, at least 50 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. Other concerns > >(2) Must I use an ADC external to my computer to avoid digital noise > feedback into my sensitive SQUID electronics? Might be a good idea... The resolution you requested is about 0.3mV In order to get what you've paid for, noise level better be lower than that. It is kind of hard to do it in a noisy box like you can expect inside a PC. Before you pay $$$ for a PC card, test it out by sampling a low distortion sine wave (I think there is a sine wave on a CD. Digital Domain ? There are possibly other low THD sources) Run the digitized waveform through a FFT transform and take alook at the noise floor on the spectrum. That's should give you a good indication of the design. (That's what I am doing to test a data acquistion system I have designed - I got the idea from MAXIM data sheet.) If you can live with 14 bit resolution, I would recommend looking at the MAX121 from MAXIM. It is a high speed (308KHz) complete sampling A/D with DSP interface. The input range is +/- 5V and it uses a serial interface (which can easily be optically isolated from the computer to elinimate a major noise source) The Analog design guide I got from them shows a -100db noise level. They claim a -77db max (-85 typ.) THD. Looks pretty good for the $12 @ 1000 pieces A evaluation kit is available. Might want to give these nice folks a call. 1-800-998-8800 or fax: (408)737-7194 and (408) 737-7600 ext4000 for application assistance. This assumes that you can build your own DAS and write your own software. (Hey you can get the MAX121 as a free sample just by calling the 1-800 #) >I would appreciate discussion of your personal experience with a Mac or PC- >based ADC system. I would recommend you to find out the resolution that can be gotten out of your system by looking at the noise level, otherwise you might be throwing out your money. >Charles Cunningham >cec@imager.llnl.gov K. C. Lee Elec. Eng. Grad. Student I have no connection with MAXIM except I do in general recommend companies that give samples to students to others. I feel they deserve that for being nice to me. " 4832,9,"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's swing - 1992 vs. 1986. Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Lines: 68 In article ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary 'Man From' Villanueva Huckabay) writes: > >It's certainly not very easy. What I do is use frame advance on the tape, >and simply count the frames. Five times, and try to throw out any outliers. >It's not perfect, but it's better than a blow to the head with a large >metal object. Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance other than scrutinizing ""Sorority Babes in Heat"". Congrats! >I wish I had FILMS instead of tapes, preferably at 48fps rather than 24, >but while I'm at it, I'd like to have ten million dollars, and be able >to eat anything I want and never gain any weight, either. Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you converted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the difference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for a laserdisc company or something). >Gary's list of the ten slowest bats in baseball: Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically has to pivot the bat around along with his body. >Gary's list of ""How the HELL can he hit like that?"" > >1. Julio Franco >2. Phil Plantier >9. Darren Daulton Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at the plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level plane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could hit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes contact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he caught not ready for a pitch. I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to practice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-) How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front foot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but I keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot out of his hips. >Gary's list of ""I'd give Dave Kirsch's kidneys to have a swing like that."" Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but .. I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean Palmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing. >That's all for now. I'm looking at Derrick May's tapes tonight, along >with Troy Neel's. That guy is a serious ox. A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball. IMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling off the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders low and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left and left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to the right side of the infield in the next month. -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence " 4833,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: XDM & DECnet ? Organization: The Internet Lines: 31 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, btaylor@mcl.bdm.com # #Does XDM work with DECnet? I have an Ultrix machine running both TCP/IP #and DECnet. I have a number of X-terminals hanging off the Ultrix host also #running TCP/IP and DECnet. Presently I am using XDM for the login procedure #on the X-terminals using TCP/IP. Since XDM is basically just an X-windows #client, shouldn't I be able to run XDM on the DECnet protocol tower as well? # XDM is not just an X Window client. XDM has its own protocol (XDMCP) that operates of UCP on port 177. It does provide a Login window which is an X Window Client. As to using DECnet protocol. Looking through the source for XDM from X11R5 that I have here, it seems that the bare bones code is there but not completely there. # #My first inclination is that XDM is not your typical X client. It is making #TCP/IP specific socket calls. In this case the answer would be no; you can #not run XDM over DECnet. Is this right or not? Any feedback is appreciated. #Thanks. # From my look at the source, it seems you cannot run it over DECnet as shipped with X11R5. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 4834,18,"From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.23.47.37 Lines: 21 In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: )MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: ) ) )>The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE )>to submit to sexual intercourse."" ) )Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states )had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised )as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but )was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, )uniformly throughout the U.S. I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI* figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they refuse to comply with this sexist definition! -- The worms crawl in The worms crawl out The worms post to the net from your account " 4835,15,"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 17 XOPR131@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Gerald McPherson) writes: > If you reject the claims of Jesus, and still go to > heaven, then the joke's on me. If you reject him and go to hell, > that's no joke, but it will be final. If this is God's attitude, then I'll think I'll go along with Terry Pratchett's religious philosophy: ""Oh, I believe in God. I just don't actually _like_ the blighter."" P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza " 4836,8,"From: James Leo Belliveau Subject: First Bike?? Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu Anyone, I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would be a good starter bike for me. I do know one thing however, I need to make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is out of the question. I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR 600 F2, GSX-R 750). I know that this may sound kind of crazy considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a fast learner, and in love. Please give me any advice that you think would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific bikes that you want to sell me. Thanks :-) Jamie Belliveau (jbc9@andrew.cmu.edu) " 4837,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu> mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: >Also > someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat > then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended) > This tops the cold-hearted bastard list! Unbelievable! Had this countries morals sunk this low, that the death of innocent people is so callously viewed? > Flame off > > "" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight, fight me!!"" > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | > | CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | > | Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | | > | | > | Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | > | | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 4838,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 29 In ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes: >cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes: >>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards >>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation >>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and >>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. >>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people >>experience. [...] >Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society >are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the >panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one >things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not >due solely to sex out of marriage. Note that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex. I specifically said that it was ""a prime cause"" of this, not ""the prime cause"" or ""the only cause"" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors too, but I think that extra-marital sex and subsequent destabilization of the family is probably a significant factor to the rise in psychological problems, including depression, in the West in the 20th century. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 4839,19,"From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (mark) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.radian.com Organization: n.o.y.b Lines: 14 In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider >the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought >the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier, >would amuse you all... > I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! , It would be funny if it wasn't so damn *NASTY*; and as non-xian as I am, it's hard to believe that someone is pushing black is white and freedom is slavery so blatantly. mark " 4840,4,"From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple >Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only >the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs. > >Pete I think you meant Quadra 800 ..... (but a Centris 800 probably would be a real nice machine... :) ) But yeah, it needs 80ns not 60ns. Joel -- Joel Siegel ""I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is: I only know that I am called a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."" -Rebecca West, 1913 " 4841,6,"From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: Forsale: Dynakit PAS-2x tube pre-amp Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Dynakit PAS-2x for sale It's a pure tube pre-amp, using two 12AX7s in phono stage and also two 12AX7s in line stage. One 12x4 is used in power supply. clean in and out neat workmanship works fine with good sound owner's manuel Asking $100 obo plus shipping. Contact Harry if interested. Thanx. " 4842,0,"From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: It's all Mary's fault! Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes: > Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close. > > You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up. > He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That > wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what > happened is that she was feeling guilty, he was feeling embarrassed, and > THEY decided to improve both of their images on what could have otherwise > been the downfall for both. Clever indeed. Come to think of it . . . I > have gained a new respect for the couple. Maybe Joseph and Mary should > receive all of the praise being paid to jesus. Lucky for them that the baby didn't have any obvious deformities! I could just see it now: Mary gets pregnant out of wedlock so to save face she and Joseph say that it was God that got her pregnant and then the baby turns out to be deformed, or even worse, stillborn! They'd have a lot of explaining to do.... :-) > Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller > How is that one 'o keeper of the nicknames ? Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Life does not cease to be funny when people die, any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. " 4843,2,"From: chen@protostar.harvard.edu Subject: re: BBBBIG problem with W4W print file. Help!!!! Organization: Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Distribution: world Lines: 34 In article <1993Mar31.014237.28478@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> dwoo@unb.ca writes: >To all the W4W experts: > >I have a file that is three pages long with 10 to 12 1-line equations >plus a 5""by 2"" diagram. The size of this file is about 81KB before >unlinking all the embedded objects and 30KB after unlinking all the >embedded objects. Well, when I print it (since I don't have a laser >printer, I have to send it to a print file), W4W gives me back a >BBBBBBIG file that is well over 6MB long. I just fail to see how a 81K >file can be boosted to a 6MB file. Obviously, I will not able to carry >this 6MB+ file to the public printer unless I find myself a network >card, a cable etc. > >Could anyone please enlighten me with a solution? (I already try to >print a page at a time, it still won't fit into a HD floppy) > >Thanx a mil. > > > >***************************************************************** >* Dennis Woo Department of Mechanical Engineering * >* E-mail: dwoo@unb.ca University of New Brunswick * >* Tel: (506) 453-4513 * >***************************************************************** > > I once had this problem. All I did was to copy the whole doc to a new file. The problem was gone. Hope this helps. Hua " 4844,19,"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Distribution: world Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA Lines: 26 bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: > b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes: > > > >One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just > >wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take? > > So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ? > You know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too. He claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand years to forget what he preached. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Anybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent provacateurs.' --------------------------------------------------------------------- cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy to the person who doesn't have to do them. Holt's law " 4845,4,"From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) Subject: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Organization: UC San Diego Chemistry Lines: 62 Distribution: world Reply-To: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu Keywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170 Hi. I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra 900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem on his PowerBook 170. Any info or experience anyopne has would be greatly appreciated. When I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types of sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH speakers: system beeps (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record) Armor Alley Spectre Spaceward Ho! But, the following games only play out of the left channel: Lemmings Out of This World (awesome game, BTW) Glider 4.0 OIDS But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers. (The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which my roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?)) All of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run OOTW because he doesn't have color). We're both running system 7.1 Does anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get sound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or greater, Centris, SE/30, etc... (stereo) machine? I used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in stereo on that machine, not just on the left channel. (I could be mistaken, though. If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB 170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo? If there isn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are apparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they could just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of both speakers (like Spectre, etc. do)? Quadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge), so maybe this is a ROM problem? (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1 patch over this problem?) Thanks for any help you can provide! Doug Book dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu " 4846,12,"From: levy@levy.fnal.gov (Mark E. Levy, ext. 8056) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Nntp-Posting-Host: levy.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 22 In article <1qngqlINNnp8@shelley.u.washington.edu>, whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) writes: > In article johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: >>-s87271077-s.walker-man-50- (swalker@uts.EDU.AU) wrote: > >>During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough >>to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling >>tower where it is sprayed into the air. ... >>Contact with the cool outside air >>will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. >>There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then >>reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. Another April 1 posting. Ahhh. ================================================================================ [ Mark E. Levy, Fermilab | ] [ BitNet: LEVY@FNAL | Unix is to computing ] [ Internet: LEVY@FNALD.FNAL.GOV | as an Etch-a-Sketch is to art. ] [ HEPnet/SPAN: FNALD::LEVY (VMS!) | ] ================================================================================ " 4847,18,"From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA Lines: 24 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be >>a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor. > >So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down >and the safety factor high?? In the case of victimless crimes yes, I think so. Think about it. If I rob or beat up or rape or kill someone, it's very clear to anyone not a sociopath that I've done something immoral. On the other hand, if I smoke grass or have sex with a consenting adult in a manner illegal in that state, the morality or immorality of that act is merely a lifestyle choice; it doesn;t clearly hurt anyone else. IMO, if such an act doesn;t hurt another person it should not be interfered with. >Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower >the cost and definitely make them safer to use. I think so. And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol and coffee). don " 4848,12,"From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman) Subject: Re: what to do with old 2 Lines: 33 X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r {Jason Haines} said ""what to do with old 256k"" to on 04-15-93 04:38 JH> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old JH> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac JH> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to JH> sell them but have gotten NO interest. How about collecting them all together (IE everyones) and selling them as a lot? The other thing is to give to a recycler. JH> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy JH> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing JH> about it. If they are free and you can send them real cheap! I would be intrested in them. hehehe Are these 2 chip or 8 chip devices what speed? JH> I have seen RAM disc storage devices but they have been JH> very pricey (plus I am still a little worried about having data JH> stored on RAM). Why? Do you use a RAM disk? :) Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 19:58:29 ... Badgers... we don't need no steenking Badgers! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 " 4849,15,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 23 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >In article randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes: >>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >>couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? > >Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, >nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. > >Let's distinguish _real_ logistical problems (like being stranded on a >desert island) from _excuses_ (such as waiting for so-and-so's brother >to come back from being in the army so he can be in the ceremony)... I disagree. People marry each other. When they commit fully to each other as life partners, they are married. The ceremony may assist in emphasizing the depth of such a commitment, but is of itself nothing. God knows our hearts. He knows when two have committed themselves to be one, he knows the fears and delusions we have that keep us from fully giving ourselves to another. The way I see it, you'd have to be living together in a marriage for somewhere between 10 and 100 years before anyone knew if a marriage really existed, but God knows. I don't think God keeps a scorebook. Joe Moore " 4850,18,"From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>his so called stimulus package. >>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>immunizations for poor kids. > >Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services delivered to their doorsteps. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 4851,2,"From: dpugsle@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Donald Pugsley) Subject: C7 link/segment problem (calling run-time functions) Summary: Need help with incorrect linking of run-time lib functions Keywords: C7 link runtime segment Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center Lines: 40 I have a small Windows program which I can not get to work; The program looks vaguely like this: ============================================= char f1[80]; int WinMain(... { lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, ""Hello""); ... } long far pascal WndProc(... { lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, ""Hello""); ... } ============================================= I am using large model under Windows 3.1; after linking without errors, the RC program said Sorting preload segments and resources into fast-load section Copying segment 1 (53679 bytes) RC : fatal error RW1031: Segment 1 and its relocation information is too large for load optimization. Make the segment LOADONCALL or rerun RC using the -K switch if the segment must be preloaded. Using the -K switch seems to interfere with the proper function of the second lstrcpy call... can anybody explain what is going on and/or how to fix it? Thanks... Pugsley (dpugsle@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil) " 4852,12,"From: mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) Subject: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: elan.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 29 I was looking at the amps diagram for Sony 1090/2090 receivers, and I was amazed to find a difference between the US and Canadian model on the capacitor(s) that hangs off the output to the speakers: ------\/\/\----- to speaker (identical both models from amp ---------------| (idnetical both models) > < 10 > | ----- | | 0.022 --- --- Canadian model only! US model --- --- 0.047 and world-wide | | model only. | --- Candian model only! | --- 0.047 | | ----------- gound The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps (there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). Please explain this Michael Golan mg@cs.princeton.edu " 4853,13,From: billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 5 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcspe17.col.hp.com Report them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau). Bill Claussen 4854,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: So much for ""infinite patience"" Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr19.225700.3976@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: : :So much for ""infinite patience."" : ;I find it hard to swallow that prolonged exposure to ""massive"" amounts of : :And they said that the bomb dropped on MOVE wouldn't start a fire, either. : :The real kicker, though, is the stated justification for the government's :sudden loss of patience: They wouldn't be able to ""rotate their teams"" : :This outcome could be foreseen a mile (or two) away, but Reno didn't even : :Malcolm Fuller, Surveying Engineering, University of New Brunswick The really good part: ""At this point we're not negotiating,"" FBI spokesman Bob Ricks said at a news briefing about a half hour before the fire began. ""We're saying,'Come out.Come out with your hands up. This matter is over.'"" Criminal... so much for Billary saying we won't force the issue... anybody have the WH information number? Figure ol' Bill could use a lesson from the ROTC he scorned: ""You are responsible for all that your unit/troops do or fail to do."" Want to ask him how he enjoys being responsible for violating the Constitutional rights of a group, resulting in the deaths of over a hundred of them, plus four Federal agents... James -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 4855,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Vlad's Playoff Picks Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 156 In article vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes: Wales Conference, Adams Division, Semifinal >Boston vs. Buffalo: >The Bruins are playing some excellent hockey, and with Cam Neely back >and Moog his old self again this should be a cake-walk. BRUINS IN 5. I'm hoping for a Fuhr miracle, but I agree that Boston will likely win the series. Goaltending is about equal, top offensive players are about equal (Mogilny-LaFontaine vs. Oates-Juneau), but Buffalo has no answer to Neely (not to imply that Neely is not a top offensive player btw, in fact he's one of my favourites even though he's a damn Bruin :) ). And the rest of the matchup wrt lineup favours Boston anyway. But I think it will go six. >Quebec vs. Montreal: >This one is very tough to call. Montreal certainly has the experience >factor, but Quebec is more talented IMHO. It'll come down to the >goalies. I'll go with experience and Roy. CANADIENS IN 7. Agreed here...but Montreal will be pushed to the limit. Is it just me, or does everything Montreal does in the playoffs come down to Roy? Go Habs!! Final >Boston vs. Montreal: >Will Bruin domination continue in this rivalry? Yes. Moog has >consistently outperformed Roy in the playoffs (after 1986)..[other stuff] > Bruins in five. I can't predict a Montreal victory because I've been watching them play for 6 weeks and IMO they severly need some tougher players, especially to play in the Garden. Last time they beat the B's 5-2 but Boston had a clear territorial advantage; the victory was Roy's. At the same time, I can't bring myself to predict the possibility of a loss, so I'll just say I will not be putting money on this series. :-) >Patrick Division, semifinal >Pittsburgh vs. NY Islanders: >What can I say? The Pens are flying high and have the most talent in >the league. Agreed. NY doesn't have the goaltending to stop the onslaught, independent of the trouble they have given Pittsburgh this year. Pens in five, which is credit to NY. >Washington vs. New Jersey: >CAPITALS IN 5. Agreed here too, but I think it will go at least six. Jersey has a decent team, and Washington has done poorly against the division this year. >Pittsburgh vs. Washington: >If the Caps had Bill Ranford I might see an upset, but Don Beaupre >just doesn't inspire my hopes. PENGUINS IN 6. I think they will use Tabaracci more after Beaupre gets shelled. I don't think it will go six either...*maybe* five. >CONFERENCE FINAL: >Pittsburgh vs. Boston: >A replay of last year. The Penguins are just as good as 12 months ago, >and the Bruins are much improved. But... PENGUINS IN 6. If Pittsburgh plays Boston, IMO they win in likely five, possibly six. They own the Bruins. If they play Montreal, I think it will go to seven, and once again I won't be putting money on the seventh game. I say seven because the Habs have played Pittsburgh very tough this season. >Campbell Conference, Norris Division, semifinal >Chicago vs. St. Louis (or Minnesota): > BLACKHAWKS IN 5. Chicago will win, but I think in at least six. Chicago is not that good, IMO. And remember that they take ridiculous numbers of penalties. >Detroit vs. Toronto: >The Leafs have had an excellent season, but they've been playing >playoff hockey all year - the Habs under Burns were the same way and >always wilted in the playoffs. RED WINGS IN 5. Very true. The Leafs have much to be proud of, but they will soon find out why Montreal did so lousy in the playoffs. Toronto might win two or three at MLG though. Wings in six, maybe even seven. >FINAL: >Chicago vs. Detroit: > This will be a war. Fedorov will win it in OT. RED WINGS IN 7. It _will_ be a war...possibly the most intense playoff series of them all. And yes, I think Detroit will win. Probert will have to come up big though. >Smythe Division SEMI-FINALS: >Vancouver vs. Winnipeg: > CANUCKS IN 7. Our first disagreement. Canucks are playing like shit. They don't use their size *at* *all*, which may explain why they get hammered 8-1 by a team chasing them (Calgary)....Winnipeg in six. >Calgary vs. Los Angeles: >This would have been tough to call, except for three things. 1/ The >Kings don't have a goalie; 2/ Gary Roberts will be back; 3/ the Kings >shot themselves in the foot by trading a proven winner (Paul Coffey) >for a proven loser (Jimmy Carson). Gretzky is just too weary to carry >this group. FLAMES IN 5. This is also tough for me to call, because I haven't seen the Smythe enough. I don't think Roberts will be well enough to figure in, Coffey is a non-issue, who cares what Carson has done before, and *never* underestimate Gretzky. LA in six. >FINAL: >Vancouver vs. Calgary: > FLAMES IN 6. If it is these two, Calgary will not need six games. But I think it will be LA-Winnipeg anyway, and LA in seven, because of home ice. >COFERENCE FINAL: >Detroit vs. Calgary: > RED WINGS IN 7. Wow, must've been tough to go against your team. But let's see, I picked LA-Detroit. Detroit will win, probably in six. >STANLEY CUP FINAL: >Pittsburgh vs. Detroit: >Three in a row and official 'dynasty' status for the Pens? Or can the >Wings complete a dream season? Well, the Wings are better in goal (not >sufficiently so though IMHO) and have better D-men. However, Mario and >the boys can sure score. Look for Jagr to shine in the playoffs, >though I sure would love to see Probert beat some sense into him. The >Pens are just too much, especially since Detroit will have a tougher >battle to get here. PENGUINS IN 5. If Pittsburgh plays Detroit, it will go longer than five, and I wouldn't bet against the Wings. They are very strong, IMO, and nobody knows *how* strong because they've been underachieving most of the year. If forced to choose, though, I'd have to take the Penguins. A side note. Vlad, last week you said that Selanne was a better player than Gilmour. NO WAY. He is a more talented pure goal scorer...but aside from the age difference, there is no way I would take him over Gilmour on my team. I'm not asking for flames, either, btw....I've spent more than enough time arguing on behalf of Selanne and I still say he's a great player. But while he and Gilmour are both dangerous offensively (give Teemu an edge), Gilmour *does* *it* *all*. I know a lot of Gilmour-bashing goes on, esp. from Flame fans. But IMO you guys are letting your dislike of Gilmour cloud your judgement when it comes to his skill. He is easily one of the best all-round players in the NHL. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 4856,7,From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) Subject: Re: How hard to change springs on F350 truck? Article-I.D.: pyramid.186044 Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation Lines: 5 In article <1993Apr3.005245.10615@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes: >Does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a Ford >F350 truck? o Naah. Just a coupla nice big bumps. 4857,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Mogilny must be benched. Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 36 In article v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes: >Anyway, this game continued a trend that has sadly been taking shape for >a couple of weeks now. I had hoped it was fatigue, or an aberration, but >I can't snow myself any longer. Alex Mogilny must be benched as a >disciplinary action, and soon. >His explanation for Ysebaert jumping between him and LaFontaine to score the >winning goal yesterday? ""Wasn't my guy, ask Patty about it."" Actually this stuff from Mogilny doesn't surprise me all that much. About 4 or 5 weeks ago I read in the Toronto Sun a quote from Alex; it went something like [sarcastically]: ""Yep, Patty's the man. He's responsible for the team's success...I'm a nobody around here."" I was going to post it at the time...I must have forgot since nobody else was talking about him being a problem. >If I heard that in the locker room, I'd beat the shit out of him on the spot. >Patty took responsibility in the press, taking the heat off of Alex. That's >because LaFontaine is the epitome of class, and a consummate team player. Yep, I'd beat the shit out of him too. LaFontaine really must be a team player...makes you wonder what the Islander management was thinking. My question is what the hell is Muckler doing? Whether he wishes to admit it or not, the team is his to coach, and if he can't do the job then maybe the job should be given to somebody who can. Gee, kinda like Alex's spot on the team, isn't it? > Dr.D [The Devils Advocate] " 4858,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 19, 1993 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 24 In article ""James J. Murawski"" writes: > >On 20-Apr-93 in Don Cherry - Coach's Corner.. >user Allan Sullivan@cs.UAlber writes: >>Next, a clip was shown from an earlier episode, in which Don was >>proclaiming Doug Gilmour to be the best player, not only in >>the NHL, but in the world. What about players like Lemieux? >>Don said that Gilmour was the best PLAYER, not ""Designated point getter"". >>Its not like baseball, where you have a ""designatted hitter"" who >>can score runs but can't play defense. Gilmour is a good two way player. > >This clip was shown on local news in Pittsburgh last night (KDKA), complete >with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster. It's the second time Cherry >has been shown on local Pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks. Both >times he was blasting Lemieux. > His designated point-getter remarks were not only meant for Lemieux, but for Gretzky, Bure, etc. etc. .... and he made those particular remarks last December before Lemieux was diagnosed with Hodgkin's, and as the Leafs started their second half roll, and before Gilmour's great season was being recognized by many people. Gerald " 4859,6,"From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. Subject: PC stuff forsale Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 21:35:42 GMT I have the following items for sale. Buyer pays the shipping costs. Hardware is new and unused unless marked otherwise. All software includes original disks and manuals. No reasonable offers refused. Send offers/questions to cpc3@po.cwru.edu Hardware --------- Hercules Graphics Card - mono graphics and printer ports Hercules Color Card - color graphics and printer ports Teac 1.2MB 5.25"" floppy drive - doesn't work, sold as is for reapir or parts IBM ASYNC card - serial card for PC/XT/AT machines, comes with support software Kraft KC10 joystick - works with PC compatibles and Apple II series (not Mac) 360K 5.25"" floppy disks - over 200 bulk-grade disks 2 floppy disk storage boxes - each holds 60 5.25"" disks, one has a lock on it Software --------- Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 and 5.1 update - large manual and tutorial included Sideways 3.0 - rotates wide spreadsheets 90 degrees to print on 1 page Games ------ WolfPack - WWII submarine simultaion Space Station Oblivion - arcade-style game similar to Spectre Demon Stalkers - dungeon game, like Gauntlet Zork II, Moonmist, Ballyhoo - Infocom adventure/mystery games Jack Nicklaus' Unlimited Golf and Course Design - excellent golf game War In Middle Earth - similar to D&D games, based on Tolkien's ""The Hobbit"" Sargon 4 - excellent chess game, play against someone or against computer Silent Service II - submarine simulation --- Charles P. Cox, Jr. Computer Engineering Case Western Reserve University cpc3@po.cwru.edu " 4860,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering hyperspace :-) but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in. pat " 4861,5,"From: kobet@xsun2a.ct.picker.com (Harry J Kobetitsch) Subject: xwd Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.54.64.38 Organization: Picker International, Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 13 I am trying to run xwd on a Sun SPARCstation IPX with SunOS 4.1.2 and Openwindows 3.0. I am using the Motif window manager. I have been unsuccessful in using xwd under Motif. I get the following when doing xwd -out xwd.dmp X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage) Resource id in failed request: 0x500043 Serial number of failed request: 213 Current serial number in output stream: 213 Does anyone have any insight to this ? " 4862,9,"From: jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 35 Reply-To: jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) says: >cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > >> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes >>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, >>not the Cubs. > >Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with ""no talent"" >over 162 games. > >I would amend your definition to: > >underdog: a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated > talent. >-- >Dave! > OK, the Mets and O's are good examples, but what about the '90 Reds? Do you really think that anyone expected them to sweep the A's? I know people who didn't even think they'd win a game, let alone win the Series. We proved them wrong, though, didn't we? As for this year, ignore their record now. They've had a rocky start, and that has nothing to do with Colorado. They shall rise again. The hunt for a Reds' October continues. (with all due respect to WLW) Bye. -- MICHELSON- - - - -1993 SPRING OLYMPICS CHAMPIONS Road Rally, 5-legged Race, Rope Pull, Snarf, Penny Wars, Banner, Spirit Cheer. The Michelson Menace rides again! (Don't you just love that intense nationalistic feeling in a residence hall?) " 4863,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 07/10 - Digital Signatures Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 85 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 7 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Digital Signatures and Hash Functions. Theory of one-way hash functions, distinctions of terms. MD4 and MD5. Snefru. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part07 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 7: Digital Signatures and Hash Functions This is the seventh of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is a one-way hash function? * What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.? * What are MD4 and MD5? * What is Snefru? * What is a one-way hash function? A typical one-way hash function takes a variable-length message and produces a fixed-length hash. Given the hash it is computationally impossible to find a message with that hash; in fact one can't determine any usable information about a message with that hash, not even a single bit. For some one-way hash functions it's also computationally impossible to determine two messages which produce the same hash. A one-way hash function can be private or public, just like an encryption function. Here's one application of a public one-way hash function, like MD5 or Snefru. Most public-key signature systems are relatively slow. To sign a long message may take longer than the user is willing to wait. Solution: Compute the one-way hash of the message, and sign the hash, which is short. Now anyone who wants to verify the signature can do the same thing. Another name for one-way hash function is message digest function. * What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.? There is a horrendous mishmash of terminology in the literature for a very small set of concepts. When an algorithm depends on a key which isn't published, we call it a private algorithm; otherwise we call it a public algorithm. We have encryption functions E and decryption functions D, so that D(E(M)) = M for any message M. We also have hashing functions H and verification functions V, such that V(M,X) = 1 if and only if X = H(M). A public-key cryptosystem has public encryption and private decryption. Checksums, such as the application mentioned in the previous question, have public hashing and public verification. Digital signature functions have private hashing and public verification: only one person can produce the hash for a message, but everyone can verify that the hash is correct. Obviously, when an algorithm depends on a private key, it's meant to be unusable by anyone who doesn't have the key. There's no real difference between a ``shared'' key and a private key: a shared key isn't published, so it's private. If you encrypt data for a friend rather than ``for your eyes only'', are you suddenly doing ``shared-key encryption'' rather than private-key encryption? No. * What are MD4 and MD5? MD4 and MD5 are message digest functions developed by Ron Rivest. Definitions appear in RFC 1320 and RFC 1321 (see part 10). Code is available from [FTPMD]. Note that a transcription error was found in the original MD5 draft RFC. The corrected algorithm should be called MD5a, though some people refer to it as MD5. * What is Snefru? Snefru is a family of message digest functions developed by Ralph Merkle. Snefru-8 is an 8-round function, the newest in the family. Definitions appear in Merkle's paper [ME91a]. Code is available from [FTPSF]. " 4864,0,"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 13 In article , edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes: > >>>>> On Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:54:38 GMT, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) said: > > DLB> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It > DLB> makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > DLB>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he > DLB>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, > DLB> in the process he became a Christian himself. > > Here we go again... Just the friendly folks at Christian Central, come to save you. " 4865,5,"From: leec@cb-iris.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Lee) Subject: HELP! Setting Colormaps on multi-top-level APP Keywords: GLX mixed-model,colormap Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 71 Dear SGI and netter GL-X Mixed-Model experts, I am writing a mixed model application that creates a couple different color maps for different windows, and I've been having trouble getting the window manager to reliably honor my requests. In some environments (entry level R3000 Indigo w/ 4.0.5) all windows are getting properly connected to their designated color maps, but on others (an IRIS 4D 240/GTX; also a different entry level Indigo) the color mapping is unreliable and changes behavior when I compile at different times. The most common problem is that all non-top-level windows fail to be displayed according to their colormap. My application starts out by creating three top-level windows; in some cases all but the first of these also fail to be displayed by their colormap. This is spectacularly aggravating. I would dearly appreciate 1. an explanation of the standard, RIGHT, CORRECT way to give a window a colormap such that the Window Manager will Honor and Obey it; 2. any advice about problems that could cause my failure to get my desired colormaps. By now I have exhausted my own attempts on this, having tried everything reasonable or imaginable. Below is example code giving the schematic for how I have been *TRYING* to do this. Please, please, please SOMEBODY tell me what I am doing wrong/how to do it right!!! Yours, Chris Lee /***********************************************************************/ Display* dpy; /* DECLARE SOME DATA... */ Colormap popup_cmap; XColor mycolor; Window win; XSetWindowAttributes cwa; int nwlist; Window *wlist; /* NB: FOR BREVITY, NOT SHOWING ALL CODE LINES--JUST A SCHEMATIC */ popup_cmap=XCreateColormap(dpy,DefaultRootWindow(dpy),vis->visual,AllocAll); /* HERE WE STORE A BUNCH OF COLORS USING XStoreColor(dpy,popup_cmap,&mycolor); ... */ cwa.colormap = popup_cmap; win = XCreateWindow(dpy, parent, x, y, w, h, borderWidth, vis->depth, InputOutput, vis->visual, CWColormap|CWBorderPixel, &cwa); /* LIST ALL SUB WINDOWS OF my_topwin, PARENT OF win, INTO wlist; nwlist IS COUNTER OF ENTRIES IN wlist. NB: wlist is static storage that can be relied on not to go away or be corrupted. I thought of that! Does anyone know if setting WM properties is by data copy, or by reference pointer? ie. is it acceptable to pass data for a Property, then free the data? */ XSetWMColormapWindows(dpy,my_topwin,wlist,nwlist); XMapRaised(Display0,win); /* LATER ON WE HANDLE XEvents NORMALLY... TYPICAL EVENTLOOP */ " 4866,6,"From: zborowsk@spot.Colorado.EDU (ZBOROWSKI BRANDON WALTER) Subject: PaintBall Gun ForSale!! Distribution: usa Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Paintball Gun for Sale TIPPMAN SL-68II (In Great Condition) 11"" Micro-honed Barrel Barrel Squeegie 16"" Barrel 140 Round Sight Feeder with Elbow 7 oz. Constant Air Tank with Valve Protector and Buttplate Shoulder Strap 3-7X Bushnell Sportview Scope 40 Round Ammo Box with Flip Top Lid Barrel Plug Instruction Manual Allen Wrenches Contact me at: zborowsk@spot.colorado.edu and make me an offer. " 4867,12,From: xandor@unixg.ubc.ca (John Gilbert ) Subject: Re: Exploding TV! Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 4 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Just as a not of possible interest on this subject .. It is my understanding that exploding televisions were a major cause of domestic accidents in the Soviet Union in past years! 4868,4,"From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 28 In article , johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes: |> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: |> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your |> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my |> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge |> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of |> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; |> >in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh |> >Software"" loop (whatever that means). |> |> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get |> rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough |> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing |> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys |> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers |> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't |> format/mount/partition for A/UX. All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" even though there was no cartridge in the drive. --Mark " 4869,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: x-rays Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 22 In article <1993Mar30.195242.8070@leland.Stanford.EDU> iceskate@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Lin) writes: > > First question - how bad is x-ray? i've heard that it's nothing >compared to the amount of time spent under the sun and i've also heard that it >is very harmful. second question - is there anyway out of this yearly test for >me? The yearly chest x-ray provides a minute amount of radiation. It is a drop in the bucket as far as increased risk is concerned. Who can tell you whether you can get out of it or not? No one here controls that. It may well be a matter of the law, in which case, write your legislator, but don't hold your breath. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4870,12,"From: cph@dmu.ac.uk (Chris Hand) Subject: Cheap LCD panels & seeking info Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK. Lines: 37 Attention hardware hackers and bargain seekers! I just bought a 640x200 pixel LCD panel for 25 UK pounds. I have a datasheet for a similar panel, but I'm looking for proper data. If anyone can help with locating data for this device (before I start with the routine on the phone to Hitachi and rummaging through the library), then I'll pass on the source. Type: LM225 (Hitachi) Resolution: 640W x 200H (so can do 80x25 chars on 8x8 matrix) Bought from: Greenweld Electronics Ltd 27 Park Rd Southampton SO1 3TB, UK Tel. +44 703 23 63 63 Fax. +44 703 23 63 07 Email: Compuserve [100014,1463] NB: I only just bought this! I don't even know if it works! Price was 25 UK pounds including VAT (17.5%), which isn't payable if you're outside the EC. Thanks for any info! Chris -- Chris Hand, Lecturer Internet mail: cph@dmu.ac.uk Dept of Computing Science, Voice: +44 533 551551 x8476 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax: +44 533 541891 FIDOnet: 2:440/32.50 LEICESTER, UK LE1 9BH >> Linux: *free* unix for IBM PCs! << " 4871,4,"From: dingman+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Dingman) Subject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem Nntp-Posting-Host: pie9.mach.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr20.001127.4928@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) writes: > >The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are >backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in >effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two >modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables & >all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order >directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and >they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty... > Hmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the warranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near Cleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-)) and a lifetime warranty. The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne, and every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T part numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the CompuServe intro kit. >-- >Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department >behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) If anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777. I ordered mine last Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from Cleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-) On the down side they only ship UPS COD. - Chris +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Christopher P. Dingman | | Electrical and Computer Eng. Dept. dingman@ece.cmu.edu | | Carnegie Mellon University (412) 268-7119 | | 5000 Forbes Ave | | Pittsburgh, PA 15213 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 4872,19,"From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric) Subject: Wanted: Moltmann's God in Creation Organization: Not important Lines: 15 I'm greatly in need of Jurgen Moltmann's book God in Creation: An Ecological Doctrine of Creation. If you have a copy you're willing to part with, I'd love to hear from you soon. You may call me at 312-702- 8367 or e-mail me. Thanks. ========================================================================================== Susan Soric Independent agent susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu " 4873,3,"From: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu (Tow Wang Hui) Subject: Floppy file copying Article-I.D.: srvr1.1pstlnINN4r5 Reply-To: towwang@engin.umich.edu Distribution: world Organization: University of Michigan (CAEN) Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: statler.engin.umich.edu Originator: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu A silly question: I frequently edit small files and need to make copies of them on several floppy diskettes of the same size and format, but my computer is only equipped with one 3.5"" HD drive and one 5.25"" HD drive; can't I do the copying without swapping files temporarily to my hard disk (which is 99.9% full) using standard MSDOS 5.0 commands? I know diskcopy a: a: works but for small selections of files, xcopy a:*.txt a: does not! Maybe I'll have to write my own file copy command in C, but the idea does not amuse me. Thanks for your help. Francisco " 4874,0,"From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 40 In article <1pqdor$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: >The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and >Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany. I think the problem here is that I pretty much ignored the part about the Jews sightseeing for 2000 years, thinking instead that the important part of what the original poster said was the bit about killing Palestinians. In retrospect, I can see how the sightseeing thing would be offensive to many. I originally saw it just as poetic license, but it's understandable that others might see it differently. I still think that Ken came on a bit strong though. I also think that your advice to Masud Khan: #Before you argue with someone like Mr Arromdee, it's a good idea to #do a little homework, or at least think. was unnecessary. >That's right. There have been. There have also been people who >were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere >without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the >street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly >acceptable. > >Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why >don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand? Throughout all your articles in this thread there is the tacit assumption that the original poster was exhibiting casual anti-semitism. If I agreed with that, then maybe your speech on why this is bad might have been relevant. But I think you're reading a lot into one flip sentence. While probably not true in this case, too often the charge of anti-semitism gets thrown around in order to stifle legitimate criticism of the state of Israel. Anyway, I'd rather be somewhere else, so I'm outta this thread. -- Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. " 4875,17,"From: ucer@ee.rochester.edu (Kamil B. Ucer) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering In article <1993Apr16.142935.535@cs.yale.edu> karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination) writes: > > Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was >torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5 >years ago in Instanbul. > What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they >are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has >turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too. > What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta, >what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod >language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised? > Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting >Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it >is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless. > If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they >elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government? >How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education? >Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right >to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those >privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university, >some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat. > BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some >of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote ""On the mountains of >Tayros."" ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am >interested in finding more books from these two people. > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Yeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but >Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$% >Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner < >> whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole < >> messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech < >> and don't send me anything. < Dear Mr. Karageorgiou, I would like to clarify several misunderstandings in your posting. First the bus incident which I believe was in Canakkale three years ago, was done by a mentally ill person who killed himself afterwards. The Pontus Greeks were ex- changedwith Turks in Greece in 1923. I have to logout now since my Greek friend Yiorgos here wants to use the computer. Well, I'll be back.Asta la vista baby. " 4876,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 27 In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after |> you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I |> don't ride until tomorrow""? I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike takes a lot of involvement, and I for one do not want any accident to be my fault. I remember one artical where the reviewer tried the radio on the bike, not having had one on any of his. He stated that the bike tended to go faster when the music was good. I agree, having felt like this my self, and this was not a physical imparement, like drinking, just the emotional lift from music. First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect. Ride Well- --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 4877,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Car bomb in the West Bank Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 34 From Israeline 4/16 Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car Bomb Explosion Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the blast suffered light to moderate injuries. The Arab that was killed was a probably from the Mossad so it is not count as a murder. Naftaly ----- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 4878,15,"From: king@ctron.com (John E. King) Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc. Lines: 8 db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >And we also know that it is impossible to destroy the Soul. Hmmm. Here's food for thought: "" ...but rather be in fear of him who can destroy both soul and body in gehenna."" Math 10:28 Jack " 4879,9,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Best record ever in baseball Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Expires: 5/9/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Can you believe it? Of all teams, I believe the Cubs have the best record ever in baseball. Sometime way far back. 110+ and something. Admiral Steve C. Liu ____________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |Commander-In-Chief of the Security Division of the Pi Club - Earth Chapter| | President of the Earth Chapter of the Pi Club - Founded April 1990 | |1993 World Champions - Baltimore Orioles - Why Not? - Series in the Yards| | 1992-1993 Stanley Cup Champions - Washington Capitals | | ""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | | and their Rehabilitation Into Society, the only problem is that the | | abbreviation is CLITORIS."" from the ""Polymorph"" episode of Red Dwarf | |*****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!*****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | |""My God man, drilling holes through his head is not the answer!"" Dr. McCoy| |""You know, Susanna Hoffs has a really nice ass."" - comment by M. Flanagan | | The Pi Club - Creating the largest .signatures for the past nine months | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 4880,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Slick 50, any good? Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 16 Hmmm....I was listening to the local radio expert (who is, amazingly enough, an Honest-to-God Expert(tm); it's amazing what he knows...), and he said that, based on his conversations with the inventor of Slick50 (who is no longer with the comapny, due to some kind of conflict), he avoids it like the plague. He does recommend other teflon-based/type oil additives, though. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 4881,8,"From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr16.104158.27890 Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 37 bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: >Saw this in today's newspaper: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS >-------------------------------- >Barnstaple, England/Reuter > > A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in >less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales. > > David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for >losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a >court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told. > > Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and >Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in >a pub. Is there no JUSTICE?! If I lost my leg when I was 19, and had to give up motorcycling (assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would want to get swamped.... maybe even for ten years! I'll admit, I'd probably prefer homebrew to pubbrew, but still... Judge Coterill is in some serious trouble, I can tell you that. Any chance you can get to him and convince him his ruling was backward, Nick? Perhaps the lad deserved something for starting a brawl (bad form... horribly bad form,) but for getting drunk? That, I thought, was ones natural born right! And for spending his own money? My goodness, who cares what one does with one's own moolah, even if one spends it recklessly? I'm ashamed of humanity. Matt Block & Koch DoD# #007 1980 Honda CB650 " 4882,11,"From: redsonja@olias.linet.org (Red Sonja) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: Utter Chaos in Islip, Long Island, New York (we think) Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr20.054308.15985@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) writes: >In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >:In article >:holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > >:>Note that measures to protect yourself from >:>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. > >:I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially. >:Even Macs. > >Sure you can buy a TEMPEST approved Mac -- if you have enough >money. I haven't had any reason to look at this type of pricing >for about 10 years, but a TEMPEST rating in 1982 would raise the >price of a $2,495.00 Radio Shack Model III to something around >$15,000.00. > Or just dig a deep enough hole in the ground. 50 feet should do it. -- redsonja@olias.linet.org \\\RS/// Self possession is 9/10 of the law. Alien: ""We control the laws of nature!"" | ""How come when it's human, it's an Joel: ""And you still dress that way?"" | abortion, but when it's a chicken, (MST3K#17 - Gamera vs Guiron) | it's an omelet?"" - George Carlin " 4883,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Unity Organization: Indiana University Lines: 126 In article Maarten.van.Loon@cwi.nl (Maarten van Loon) writes: >Hello fellow-netters and fellow christians, >about the subject of unity between christians and christian churches. >to a bible study group. Alltough I do have a personal opinion on this >issue, I thought it would be nice to hear opinions of fellow christian >brothers and sisters from different countries and in different situations. > >My background: member of a (orthodox) Reformed Church. Let us say a little The ONLY unity I've found which is true is when all parties involved are disciples. I came out of a church in which even the different congregations were always competing and arguing about which one was better and who had the better messages (while none of them put anything into practice from those messages). Since becoming a disciple, I've found that when I travel to another church in the same movement, they are just as accepting there as any other. We had a retreat back in January when some of the congregation from Louisville, KY came up (this retreat was for college students) and it was as though I had known even the people from Louisville for years (and I had only become a disciple the previous April and had never been to the church in Kentucky). One of the keys to unity is unselfish love and self-sacrifice. That is only one area in which disciples stand out from ""Christians"". Also, another part of unity is a common depth of conviction. I've also been a part of some ""Christian"" campus fellowships who were focused on unity between churches and saw that those churches had one thing involved: a lack of conviction about everything they believed. That was why they could be unified, they didn't care about the truth but delighted in getting along together. >The problem here in The Netherlands is that there are two other churches >(denominations) with the same characteristics. Both have the same >confessions; there are only some differences with respect to - for >example - the matter of appropriation of salvation and how to ""use"" >our creeds. In essence a lot of people of these three churches have to >same faith and feel that they should become one church. But how, that is >the question. > Creeds? What need is there of creeds when the Bible stands firmly better? >So, here is a first question: >- can the congregation of Christ be separated by walls of different > denominations? Or is this definitely an untolerable situation > according to the Scriptures? According to the Scriptures, splits and differences of opinion are going to be there. As per a previous note, I mentioned that there are those who teach falsely by many means. There are also differences of opinion and belief. However, Scripture states: In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there re divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval (1 Corinthians 11:17-19). How will God show his approval? By fruitfulness (see Acts 2:47), but before that, there are these qualities: devotion to the apostles teaching fellowship communion filling with awe for God all having everything in common. glad and sincere hearts praising God enjoying the favor of the people All these are mentioned in Acts 2:42-47. God also shows that those who have these qualities are persecuted. Look at Stephen, ""a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit"" (Acts 6:5) who was later stoned (Acts 7:54-60). >- can one say that only one of these three churches is the > true church of Jesus Christ? One can say that a church is the true church only if that church is perfect not only in the congregation but worldwide as a movement. I have yet to find that, but the closest one I've found is the Boston Church of Christ movement, which constantly strives to have errors pointed out and corrected. It is also the only one I've seen which is totally sold out to God. > >A problem closely related to these question is: >- can we cooperate with other Christians - from these two churches - > before there is a unity? This question is especially important > for those who think that only one church can be the ""true one"". > As for cooperation, that can always occur. Unity, on the other hand may never occur. As for those who think about only one church being the ""true one"", I remind them that Mark 9:38-41 states that there are disciples who are not a part of the main group to begin with, but they will not lose their reward. As with the Boston movement, I've heard numerous times this exact same thing, that there are disciples out there that are not a part of the Boston movement but that does not make them any less disciples. Of course, few people admit that they've ever run into someone who has the qualities of a disciple outside the movement. I know I haven't. >Maybe this last problem sounds a little strange to most of you. >For your information: we have a lot of organizations here which >are founded by people of one specific church and whose members >are all members of that church. This has been considered as >""correct"" for years. Only a few years ago people started to >discuss about this and now we are in the middle of this process. >Some organizations are opening their doors for people from >other churches etc. > I must warn that this sounds cliquey to me. A clique is a group which runs around together to some extent exclusively. This causes problems in fellowship and causes divisions. I would not say at all that this is something ""correct"" for a church/group to do for any reason. In one of the churches I attended, for example, there was an internal clique of people who were on the 14 different groups/committees/organizational heads of the congregation. They rarely talked to anyone else outside of the committees and seldom were voted out of office without another office being ""opened up"" so that they would have to step right back in. Their degree of exclusion was such that when the new pastor came, he nearly had to wipe out everything and start from scratch (I wish he would've since they still have no clue about what it means to be a disciple). Anyway, this rigidity in the clique is beginning to be broken down, but is still there. So, I must warn against such division within. There's enough division without. >Thanks for your opinions in advance! > >Maarten Joe Fisher " 4884,4,"From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) Subject: PC Syquest on a Mac?? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Is it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to hook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac? Is there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it just cable differences? Thanks. Rob -- Rob Sprecher rcs8@po.cwru.edu " 4885,10,"From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: news.2BC0C6DF.18865 Distribution: world Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu In article smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > MVP Biggest Biggest > Suprise Disappointment >Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey I would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise. They did expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his rookie year. His speed, skating ability, and puck control is exceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings. Kris kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu GO KINGS! -- " 4886,13,"Subject: STARGARDTS DISEASE From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac Keywords: stargardts Lines: 12 Thanks to aldridge@netcom.com, I now know a bit more about Stargardt's disease, aka juvenile macular distrophy, but I would like to learn more. First, what is the general prognosis - is blindness the result? Second, what treatments, if any, are available? -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac " 4887,16,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 28 As quoted from <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against > you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Kind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case, things change, huh? > Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions > are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will > be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... > No, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone TOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent solutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently) cannot be distinguished). ""Avoid situations which encourage criminals""? You mean don't be a woman? Don't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of unarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in ""violent solutions"".... -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva " 4888,12,"From: chris@alien.saar.de (Christian Reisel) Distribution: world Organization: Chaos live Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Reply-To: chris@alien.saar.de X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.10 Rev. Mar 3 1993 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 82 In , John Eaton writes: [...] >During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough >to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling >tower where it is sprayed into the air. Contact with the cool outside air >will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. >There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then >reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. > >Cooling towers are a lot taller than they really need to be. Power companies >are forced to make them that tall by some enviromental law that requires the >raw uranium emisions to be held to under 1%. This law is now under attack >by lawyers arguing that the 1% should be measured at the edge of the property >rather than the edge of the cooling tower. Eliminating this law will save >power companies thousands of dollars in concrete costs for new nukes. > >John Eaton >!hp-vcd!johne > I think you posted your article 15 days too late :-)) April 1st is over. I don't like nuclear powerplants but i think it's not fair to tell such ""storys"" about them. OK ? Let me try to explain what that tower is used to: -1st. Even the modernst nuclear powerplant is only a simple steam-engine. It has an hightech ""boiler"" but the rest is still verry verry conventional. And if you've already visited any condensation- powerstation you'l have seen the cooling towers too. If you look at any good book about thermophysics you'll find a chapter about the ""CARNOT-process"" which describes how to get energy from a temperature difference ! And that is the reason for cooling towers too !!! You only can get energy if you've an temperature gradient. That means that you have steam on the one side and need to cool down the steam 'till you get water again on the other side if you want to get aprox. 30% of the energy you (or better the uranium) brought into the water to let it boil. If you only have hot steam on the one and ""cold"" steam on the other side you'll loose much more of the energy. And so they cool down the steam to get at least the 30% of energy that carnot will give them. The cooling towers are for cooling the steam ! The vapor you'll see is NOT the steam of the main core circulation, because that steam is radioactive ! The circulation is divided in AT LEAST 2 circuits connected about heat exchangers to prevent radioactive pollution of the environment ! -2nd. OK, the main core IS hot, but even in the modernst HighTemperature- Reactors (HTR) they only run at ~800 deg celsius. This is still verry far away from uraniums melting point which is somewhere around 2000 deg. celsius ! But you'll have lot's of problems with the boiler's steel. That's because at this temperature the metal is attacked by steam and will corrode verry fast. This is only for BWR's. The new He cooled reactors have temperatures up to 1200 deg. celsius. But this is only experimental. -3rd. I personaly think that nuclear waste should be as low as ever possible because the dose you get will accumulate about the years. Today 1 mRem and next year 0.5 mRem won't be 0.75 mRem at all. It accumulates and even in 80 years you'll still have 1.5 mRem. And i'm not interested in glowing in the night and getting children with 2 heads. This is my point of view. Only my 0.02$ ! Christian Reisel student of electronic sciences -- Christian Reisel, Goldammerweg 2, W-6601 Buebingen, Germany Voice +49 6805 22179 Fax & Email +49 6805 22179 PGP PubKey: -------------------------------------------------------------- begin 777 pcr.pub MF5L`P`""S*Q%296ES96PL($-H on 04-15-93 11:02 KG> Yeah... keychains. I have seen 64K simms with a silver KG> keyring attached, big seller at the computer store. I'm KG> sure you could find a bunch of geeks^H^H^H^H^H^H computer KG> science majors around that would buy them for $10. Maybe KG> $15, if you're lucky. Untrue they would check JDR first and say 5. That's how much they are worth AT MOST. My guess is they are worth 1 buck a peice. Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US Mangled on Sat 04-17-1993 at 20:26:37 ... This tagline is a duplicate. This tagline is a duplicate. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 " 4890,5,"From: operator@mast.mast.queensu.ca (Me) Subject: Vanishing font problem.... Organization: Department of Mathematics, Queen's University at Kingston Lines: 25 A colleague has a bizarre font problem on his new MIPS workstation. When he first logs on (via xdm), he has a single xterm window appear with the mwm window manager running. In this configuration, X windows applications (particularly xdvi) work fine. However, if he opens up a second xterm application, suddenly xdvi cannot start in either window, giving the error: Unable to load ISO 8859-1 font. The only difference between the two xterm windows is that the initial one references a different name in the Xsession file, with prettier colours and other slight changes. Further investigation shows that only opening a default xterm causes this behaviour, and more significant, ALL X applications can no longer load any fonts if they are invoked from the command line in either window. If I start the xterm with a different font (using the -fn option), no problems. It would seem that the default xterm is loading a font which somehow causes the server to lose all of its fonts. Note: xlsfonts in either window shows all of the fonts available, so there doesn't appear to be a problem in the font directories/hash-tables. Other than rewriting the XTerm app-defaults file to use a different font and hope for the best, does anyone have any ideas? More info: This is the most recent MIPS workstation (R4000 I believe), with the most current operating system and running X11R5. It is not mwm's fault, as the same problems occur under twm, etc. " 4891,7,"From: brother@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jesse McCabe) Subject: There's rust on my Beamer! Help! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Actually I wasn't too surprised, since I bought it with the rust. Any of you got some ideas of getting rid of this CHEAPLY (key word)?? It has eaten all the way through on the door panels. Can I use Bondo? Also, is there a good paint that will bond to Aluminum rims? The paint thati was on my rims has peeled off, actually, there's some rust looking 'stuff' on the rims themselves... but it comes off pretty easily. One more thing... Have any of you done self-painting to a car? How do you start? What do I need to do this? Please help me! Jesse " 4892,11,"From: cepek@vixvax.mgi.com Subject: Tempest vs LCD (was: Re: Once tapped...) Organization: Management Graphics, Inc. Lines: 19 douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: > > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just > call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic > emmisions from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to > protect yourself from TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as > far as I know. steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) writes: > are LCD displays vulnerable to tempest? I can see high-voltage type display devices being vulnerable (CRTs, plasma displays, etc.) But Jason beat me to this question. What about EM radiation from low-voltage items like LCD displays? Perhaps the critical element is the driver circuitry? The cabling? What about a portable PC/Mac/etc., where all the ""noise"" is bunched into one tiny area? " 4893,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: RE: Does God love you? Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 70 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >I am uncomfortable with the tract in general because there seems to be >an innappropriate emphasis on Hell. God deserves our love and worship >because of who He is. I do not like the idea of frightening people into >accepting Christ. And yet, Jayne, as we read the Gospels and in particular the topics that Jesus himself spoke on, Hell figures in a large % of the time -certainly more than heaven itself. Paul, as we learn in I Thess, taught new believers and new churches eschatology and did not hesitate to teach hell and damnation. Rev, chapter 20:11-15 is very specific and cannot be allegorized. I think the word ""throne"" is used 45 times in Rev and that the unbelieving come to receive the assignment of the severity of judgement, for in John 3 we read that they are already judged. Rom 3 speaks that every mouth will be shut. There is no recourse, excuse or defense. > >I see evangelism as combining a way of living that shows God's love with >putting into words and explaining that love. Preaching the Gospel >without living the Gospel is no better than being a noisy gong or a >clanging cymbal. Yes I agree with you. Life is often like a pendulum where it swings to extremes before stopping at ""moderation."" I think we have seen the extreme of the ""hell fire & brimstone"" preacher, but also we have seen the other extreme where hell not talked about at all for fear of offending someones sensibilities. I forget who founded the Word of Life Ministries, but I remember him telling a story. He was in a small town hardware store and some how a man got to the point of telling him that he didn't believe in Satan or hell. He believed everybody was going to heaven. It was at this point that the man was asked to pray to God that He would send his children to hell! Of course the man wouldn't do it. But the point was made. Many people say they don't believe in hell but they are not willing to really place their faith in that it doesn't exist. If this man had, he would of prayed the prayer because hell didn't exist and there would have been no fear in having his prayer answered. And yet, they walk as if they believe they will never be sent there. I'd use a different illustration however. I have to include myself in it. When I watch, say a Basketball (go Bulls!) game, and I see a blatant foul that isn't called, oi vey!. What's with that ref that he didn't make that call. It's unfair. And just so in life, righteousness demands payment. As the surgeon takes knife in hand to cut the cancer away, so God cuts off that which is still of the old creation. We must preach the Gospel in all its richness which includes the fact that if you reject The Way and The Truth and The Life, then broad is the way to distruction. > >Here's a question: How many of you are Christians because you are >afraid of going to Hell? How many are responding to God's love? I think I would fall in there somewhere. Actually it was both. After all, repentance isn't only a turning towards, but also a turning away from! No, again, if Jesus used it in His ministry then I can surely see that we should do it also. In love, of course, but in truth most assuredly. I have thought about writing something on this topic, but not now and here. I would say that there are some good reasons for its existence and its eternality. 1) God is Light. Yes He is love, but His love has the boundary of Holiness. 2) Dignity of Man. Either a man is a robot or he is a responsible creature. If responsible, then he is also accountable. 3) The awfulness of sin. Today we have a poor, poor concept of sin & God. 4) Christ. He was willing to die and go there Himself to offer an avenue to the ""whosoever will."" --Rex " 4894,16,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Cop kills teenager Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 26 OK, here's something for all of those people who think cops are always more responsible then the rest of the population. I found this article in the Rocky Mountain Collegian, Colorado State University's newspaper. SUSPENDED POLICE OFFICER ARRESTED IN REVENGE TRIPLE HOMICIDE PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) -- A police officer afraid he would be fired for allegedly assaulting a teen-ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth worked, said ""You're going to die"" and fatally shot him and two others, police said. A fourth youth was wounded. A fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car. The wounded youth ran about two blocks to a house after the shooting at about midnight Tuesday and called police. He was hospitalized in satisfactory condition Wednesday. Suspended police officer Robert Sabetta, 23, of Cranston, was arrested at gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at Wilson's Auto Enterprises in Foster, a rural town of about 4,000 people in northwest Rhode Island. Well, this just goes to show that cops are capable of snapping, just like everyone else. Now who was it who said only cops should have guns? Doug Holland " 4895,10,"From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 17 jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes: > In article <1ppdccINNbe1@dev-null.phys.psu.edu>, stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu > > In article mfoster@alliant.backbo > > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 > > > > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? > > As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your > jokes:-)! Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Thomas A. Darling \\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043 darling@cellar.org \\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\ FactHQ ""Truth Thru Technology"" v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v " 4896,11,"From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: Beckman Software Engineering Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com Distribution: world X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5 Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr17.090731.18680@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: > Interestingly enough, in designing the escrow, we may want to use some > rather unusual technology, such as sealed boxes of paper, or > destructive read memory, rather than typical computer databases, which > is fun for a database of hundreds of millions of keys. > To me, a larger problem is that once disclosed, your keys could be used to decrypt any previously recorded conversations. I gather that from this proposal a warrant would be required to get the keys, but not to collect conversations! Consider the scenario where an agency collects preemptively all encrypted conversations for certain people likely to be targets (and not necessarily ""legitimate"" targets), then arranges for some unrelated incident that can trigger a warrant: ""Your honor, we know that the suspect has received calls from noted crime figure Bugsy Butthead [said calls arranged by the agency] and we must therefore have this warrant to determine whether this suspect, in a sensitive govt post, is corrupt."" I suppose that it is conceivable that there are session keys involved somewhere, but that doesn't seem likely; if there are, why wouldn't the technical overview mention them when it goes to such details as the number of bits held by each escrow authority? This scheme is full of holes, and stinks to high heaven. -mel ________________________________________________________________________ | Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com | | Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 | | Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 | |______________________________|_______________________________________| ""You can observe a lot just by watching."" -Yogi Bera " 4897,17,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 13 In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: |> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: [.....] |> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and |> selectively naive. Oooh... now THAT hurts. I will not suffer you through more naive and one-sided views of mine. Please skip my articles in the future Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day. Basil " 4898,15,"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 In article bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes: >I'd be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article! >On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link > abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy, > contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy >is false. The US, which I'd guess has one of the largest proportion of >""non-liberal"" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest >teenage pregnancy rates. (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.) I've sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point out that ""non-liberal education"" (head in the sand) is not the same as ""abstinence education"". We had ""non-liberal education"" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's, which didn't do us a lot of good. But ""abstinence education"" regarding drugs has proven effective, I think. -- Joe Kellett jkellett@netcom.com " 4899,6,"From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee) Subject: RE: == MOVING SALE === Summary: RE: === MOVING SALE === Organization: UB Lines: 44 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu Reduced Prices! I have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved already) Offer: 1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum) purchased for $32, $12 2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM/FM 5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo Tape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound. But, I bet it's fixable. purchased for $80 $25 3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification Made in Japan, includes case and accessories purchased for $50 $20 4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your head under/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons. (Don't ask me why my bro had it) purchased for $60 $24 5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never used $10 6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds and a cookbook, 5 years old $10 purchased for $50 8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle 525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new. $20 9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron. very new. $10 Any questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously And always, S+H are not included, so please consider this. And lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable. Thanks, John " 4900,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: ISA bus pin question; re: Diamond Speedstar 24X Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu The JP5 on the Speedstar 24x is for those systems with boot-up problems. If your system fails to boot-up proprtly, please pull off the jumper block from jp5. This will not affect the proformance of the SpeedStar 24x. This is what my manual says about jp5. I never knew that it was there but the card is a real ask kicker in my book. It beats the hell out of my junk Sony 1604s to the point that I can't even use above 648x480 mode much...Sam Some times an upgrage turns out to be a big overkill, like driving a Sony with a 24x that the monitor can't handle. Or installing 60ns simms and then finding out that your mother board doesn't have a cmos wait state adjustment to take advantage of the new 60ns simms that you just bought! -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 4901,8,"From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa Lines: 8 In article mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes: >However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider >the VW a bike. However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider the Amazona a bike. Keith Hanlan KeithH@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645 " 4902,4,"From: swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com (Aaron Swiers) Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports Organization: Control Data Systems Inc. Lines: 16 slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes: >Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which >will increase the number of serial ports available for use >simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my >Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each >one of the independently. Applied Engineering makes a NuBus card called the QuadraLink which is a board that contains 4 serial ports, which I believe can be used simultaneously. I'm not a user of one of these, but I have installed a couple for people at work (I'm a technician). Hope this helps. -- Aaron Swiers Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills MN swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com Electrical Engineering student, U of ND swiers@plains.nodak.edu " 4903,18,"From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty) Subject: Re: Motor Voter Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery Lines: 13 In article , kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) wrote: > > When I entered 1st grade, Eisenhower was President and John F. Kennedy > was just a relatively obscure Senator from New England. So how old do > you think I am now? Ask me whether I'm surprised that you haven't managed to waddle out of college after all this time. -- Lefty (lefty@apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:. " 4904,8,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money down a rathole. When you guys sort this out let me know. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * * Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * ******************************************************************************* " 4905,9,"From: jlroffma@unix.amherst.edu (JOSHUA LAWRENCE ROFFMAN) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 12 : >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up : >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and : >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know : >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but : >humor us. Thanks for your help. : John Lowenstein is definately NOT Jewish. Many in Baltimore thought he was... especially after he told the Baltimore _Jewish Times_ so...but later he admitted that it was a joke. " 4906,11,"From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org Distribution: world Organization: Thibault & Friends Lines: 45 1. Do a straight encryption of your keyrings and put the results with misleading names somewhere they won't be noticed (eg. in the \windows directory; nobody knows what half those files are). 2. Do a straight encryption of a .BAT file that will decrypt the keyrings to RAMdisk and will set PGPPATH to point at it. 3. Set up another .BAT file to decrypt and execute the first (again on RAM disk). Have it take the name of the target file as an argument so that there is no link between this file and the (non-existent) batch file referred to by the rest of the system. Comment it so it looks like a test script for fooling around with PGP. Set PGPPATH to the PGP directory. 4. Leave the original keyrings that came with PGP in the directory with PGP; a good indication that you are playing with, but haven't made serious use of PGP. Add a set of keys with your name and a really simple passphrase. Never use it, or use it as your widely published key for low-security e-mail. 5. When needed, run the second .BAT file. Make sure all intermediate and plainfiles are generated on RAMdisk. 6. When you hear the concussion grenade, hit the power switch. Cheers, Marc --- Marc Thibault | CIS:71441,2226 | Put another log marc@tanda.isis.org | NC FreeNet: aa185 | on the fire. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.0 mQBNAiqxYTkAAAECALfeHYp0yC80s1ScFvJSpj5eSCAO+hihtneFrrn+vuEcSavh AAUwpIUGyV2N8n+lFTPnnLc42Ms+c8PJUPYKVI8ABRG0I01hcmMgVGhpYmF1bHQg PG1hcmNAdGFuZGEuaXNpcy5vcmc+ =HLnv -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- " 4907,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 27 I have been following this thread on talk.religion, soc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest. I am amazed at the different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present. One question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered from Scripture. Maybe clh may wish to provide the first response. There is a lot of talk about the Sabbath of the TC being ceremonial. Answer this: Since the TC commandments is one law with ten parts on what biblical basis have you decided that only the Sabbath portion is ceremonial? OR You say that the seventh-day is the Sabbath but not applicable to Gentile Christians. Does that mean the Sabbath commandment has been annulled? References please. If God did not intend His requirements on the Jews to be applicable to Gentile Christians why did He make it plain that the Gentiles were now grafted into the commonwealth of Israel? Darius [Acts 15, Rom 14:5, Col 2:16, Gal 4:10. I believe we've gotten into a loop at this point. This is one of those classic situations where both sides think they have clear Scriptural support, and there's no obvious argument that is going to change anybody's mind. I don't think we're going anything but repeating ourselves. --clh] " 4908,5,"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? In-Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 09:28:30 GMT Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Lines: 38 | | Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu, | Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some | documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server- | resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code | mentioned above... There is no easy answer to this question: it depends on whether the display device can hold pixmaps in off-screen memory, and if so, how efficiently the server manages these resources (having to deal with limited off-screen memory is the bane of the server implementor's existence!). I have worked with graphics devices where the off-screen memory to main display copy rate eclipses that of the main memory to display copy rate, and with those where the main memory to display is *faster* than off-screen to display (requires only a write to the framebuffer rather than a read of the F.B. followed by a write) If your server uses the cfb code or something like it to render into pixmaps in CPU main memory, the rates you can get through MIT-SHM are likely to be equal (maybe a tad slower, depending on your OS's implementation of shared memory) to CopyArea from pixmap to window, which is also then just a copy from CPU main memory to graphics device. One advanage of MIT-SHM is that if your images are large, you don't end up growing the size of the server process to hold them. One disadvantage of the MIT-SHM is that, in its sample implementation, there is no provision for elegantly cleaning up the shared memory segments if the client dies a sudden, violent death (e.g., ""kill""). You have to be mindful of cluttering up the system with zombie shared memory segments. Ken -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051 " 4909,1,"From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) Subject: XV problems Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 113 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi [Please, note the Newsgroups.] Recent discussion about XV's problems were held in some newsgroup. Here is some text users of XV might find interesting. I have added more to text to this collection article, so read on, even you so my articles a while ago. I hope author of XV corrects those problems as best he can, so fine program XV is that it is worth of improving. (I have also minor ideas for 24bit XV, e-mail me for them.) Any misundertanding of mine is understandable. Juhana Kouhia ==clip== [ ..deleted..] Note that 'xv' saves only 8bit/rasterized images; that means that the saved jpegs are just like jpeg-to-gif-to-jpeg quality. Also, there's three kind of 8bit quantizers; your final image quality depends on them too. This were the situation when I read jpeg FAQ a while ago. IMHO, it is design error of 'xv'; there should not be such confusing errors in programs. There's two errors: -xv allows the saving of 8bit/rasterized image as jpeg even the original is 24bit -- saving 8bit/rasterized image instead of original 24bit should be a special case -xv allows saving the 8bit/rasterized image made with any quantizer -- the main case should be that 'xv' quantizes the image with the best quantizer available before saving the image to a file; lousier quantizers should be just for viewing purposes (and a special cases in saving the image, if at all) ==clip== ==clip== [ ..deleted..] It is limit of *XV*, but not limit of design. It is error in design. It is error that 8bit/quantized/rasterized images are stored as jpegs; jpeg is not designed to that. As matter of fact, I'm sure when XV were designed 24bit displays were known. It is not bad error to program a program for 8bit images only at that time, but when 24bit image formats are included to program the whole design should be changed to support 24bit images. That were not done and now we have -the program violate jpeg design (and any 24bit image format) -the program has human interface errors. Otherway is to drop saving images as jpegs or any 24bit format without clearly saying that it is special case and not expected in normal use. [ ..deleted.. ] ==clip== Some new items follows. ==clip== I have seen that XV quantizes the image sometimes poorly with -best24 option than with default option we have. The reason surely is the quantizer used as -best24; it is (surprise) the same than used in ppmquant. If you remember, I have tested some quantizers. In that test I found that rlequant (with default) is best, then comes djpeg, fbmquant, xv (our default) in that order. In my test ppmquant suggeeded very poorly -- it actually gave image with bad artifacts. I don't know is ppmquant improved any, but I expect no. So, use of XV's -best24 option is not very good idea. I suggest that author of XV changes the quantizer to the one used in rlequant -- I'm sure rle-people gives permission. (Another could be one used in ImageMagick; I have not tested it, so I can say nothing about it.) ==clip== ==clip== Some minor bugs in human interface are: Key pressings and cursor clicks goes to a buffer; Often it happens that I make click errors or press keyboard when cursor is in the wrong place. It is very annoying when you have waited image to come about five minutes and then it is gone away immediately. The buffer should be cleaned when the image is complete. Also, good idea is to wait few seconds before activating keyboard and mouse for XV after the image is completed. Often it happens that image pops to the screen quickly, just when I'm writing something with editor or such. Those key pressings then go to XV and image has gone or something weird. In the color editor, when I turn a color meter and release it, XV updates the images. It is impossible to change all RGB values first and then get the updated image. It is annoying wait image to be updated when the setting are not ready yet. I suggest of adding an 'apply' button to update the exchanges done. ==clip== " 4910,4,"From: mantolov@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Michael Antolovich) Subject: Re: Torx T-15 Screwdriver Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia Lines: 18 In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > >A while ago when I owned a Plus and wanted to upgrade its memory, I just ordered >the toolkit from Macwarehouse for something like $9. It included an anti-static >wrist strap, the clamp used to split the clamshell case, and the Torx >screwdriver. They might not be selling it anymore, but give 'em (and any other >company that sells memory upgrades suitable for a Plus-style box) a call. I'll >bet that they still offer the kit. Next day air is usually the shipping method >used, too! I'm told that some of these companies often sell a plastic, throw away after one use, version of the Torx driver, so ask before you buy... Michael -- ________________________________________________________________ \ Michael Antolovich in Wagga Wagga, a great place to be be... / \ mantolovich@csu.edu.au OR antolovich@zac.riv.csu.edu.au / \__________________________________________________________/ " 4911,14,"From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms ) Keywords: trumpet calls, infrastructure, public perception Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 32 In article <1pfj8k$6ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Mar31.161814.11683@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>It isn't feasible for Japan to try to stockpile the amount of oil they >>would need to run their industries if they did no use nuclear power. >Of course, Given they export 50 % of the GNP, What do they do. Well they don't export anywhere near 50% of their GNP. Mexico's perhaps but not their own. They actually export around the 9-10% mark. Similar to most developed countries actually. Australia exports a larger share of GNP as does the United States (14% I think off hand. Always likely to be out by a factor of 12 or more though) This would be immediately obvious if you thought about it. >Anything serious enough to disrupt the sea lanes for oil will >also hose their export routes. It is their import routes that count. They can do without exports but they couldn't live without imports for any longer than six months if that. >Given they import everything, oil is just one more critical commodity. Too true! But one that is unstable and hence a source of serious worry. Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. " 4912,5,"From: steve@smartstar.com Subject: Motif Server for ASCII terminals Organization: SmartStar Corporation / Signal Technology Lines: 2 Nntp-Posting-Host: louie Does anyone know of an X server for character cell terminals? Doesn't have to be anything fancy, as long is it works. " 4913,8,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 21 In article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes: > >Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has, >if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up >to me in some parking lot and sez ""hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox >frame on there?"" I can say something besides ""duh, er, huh?"" Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe their aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000. In cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really should be called a ""Pentabox"". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4914,5,"From: wilie.wilson@analog.com ( willie wilson ) Subject: Experiences of DESQview/X? Reply-To: willie.wilson@analog.com Organization: Analog Devices B.V., Limerick, IRELAND Lines: 19 I need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely MicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to be expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The current proposal is to use DESQview/X as a display server for the application. I would like to know your experiences with using DESQview/X to run an application on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that the network traffic is slow. Replies only by e-mail please. Thanks, in advance. --- ,__o _-\_<, ...Willie (*)/'(*) willie.wilson@analog.com " 4915,6,"From: Gregory.Park@dartmouth.edu (Gregory Park) Subject: ROLAND JUNO-60 SYNTHESIZER*UNIDEN RADAR DETECTOR 4 SALE X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b15@dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 10 ROLAND JUNO 60- SYNTHESIZER. EXCELLENT CONDITION. GREAT FAT ANALOG SOUND. USED IN THE SONG ""JUMP"" BY VAN HALEN. $300 OR BEST OFFER UNIDEN RD-9XL RADAR DETECTOR- EXCELLENT CONDITION. DON'T BE CAUGHT BY THE COPS! $50 OR BEST OFFER! SMALLER THAN A CREDIT CARD. COMPACT! FOR THE KEYBOARD EMAIL GREG.PARK@DARTMOUTH.EDU FOR THE RADAR EMAIL RICH.LEE@DARTMOUTH.EDU CIAO. " 4916,3,"From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) Subject: Re: S3 video card at different address Distribution: usa Organization: IBM, Austin Keywords: s3 video diamond addressing Lines: 19 In article <1qmrdd$70h@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> jon@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Jon Zeeff) writes: >I'd like to add a second S3 based video card to my system. Does anyone >know of a company that sells a card that can coexist with another one? >All I really need is color text on one monitor and fast color graphics >on the other. > >Probably just a configurable address would do it. > For what it's worth (I haven't confirmed it), a Diamond tech-rep told me that ALL S3-based video cards use port addresses 0x2E0 and 0x2E8. If this is true, it appears that you canNOT use more than one S3 card in your system. Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter. " 4917,0,"From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. There are definitely quite a few horrible deaths as the result of both atheists AND theists. I'm sure Bobby can list quite a few for the atheist side but fails to recognize that the theists are equally proficient at genocide. Perhaps, since I'm a bit weak on history, somone here would like to give a list of wars caused/led by theists? I can think of a few (Hitler claimed to be a Christian for example) but a more complete list would probably be more effective in showing Bobby just how absurd his statement is. > Peace, On a side note, I notice you always sign your posts ""Peace"". Perhaps you should take your own advice and leave the atheists in peace with their beliefs? > Bobby Mozumder Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. " 4918,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Radio Address 4.17.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 178 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania) ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 17, 1993 RADIO ADDRESS TO THE NATION BY THE PRESIDENT Pittsburgh International Airport Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10:06 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. My voice is coming to you this morning through the facilities of the oldest radio station in America, KDKA in Pittsburgh. I'm visiting the city to meet personally with citizens here to discuss my plans for jobs, health care and the economy. But I wanted first to do my weekly broadcast with the American people. I'm told this station first broadcast in 1920 when it reported that year's presidential elections. Over the past seven decades presidents have found ways to keep in touch with the people, from whistle-stop tours to fire-side chats to the bus tour that I adopted, along with Vice President Gore, in last year's campaign. Every Saturday morning I take this time to talk with you, my fellow Americans, about the problems on your minds and what I'm doing to try and solve them. It's my way of reporting to you and of giving you a way to hold me accountable. You sent me to Washington to get our government and economy moving after years of paralysis and policy and a bad experiment with trickle-down economics. You know how important it is for us to make bold, comprehensive changes in the way we do business. We live in a competitive global economy. Nations rise and fall on the skills of their workers, the competitiveness of their companies, the imagination of their industries, and the cooperative experience and spirit that exists between business, labor and government. Although many of the economies of the industrialized world are now suffering from slow growth, they've made many of the smart investments and the tough choices which our government has for too long ignored. That's why many of them have been moving ahead and too many of our people have been falling behind. We have an economy today that even when it grows is not producing new jobs. We've increased the debt of our nation by four times over the last 12 years, and we don't have much to show for it. We know that wages of most working people have stopped rising, that most people are working longer work weeks and that too many families can no longer afford the escalating cost of health care. But we also know that, given the right tools, the right incentives and the right encouragement, our workers and businesses can make the kinds of products and profits our economy needs to expand opportunity and to make our communities better places to live. In many critical products today Americans are the low cost, high quality producers. Our task is to make sure that we create more of those kinds of jobs. Just two months ago I gave Congress my plan for long-term jobs and economic growth. It changes the old priorities in Washington and puts our emphasis where it needs to be -- on people's real needs, on increasing investments and jobs and education, on cutting the federal deficit, on stopping the waste which pays no dividends, and redirecting our precious resources toward investment that creates jobs now and lays the groundwork for robust economic growth in the future. These new directions passed the Congress in record time and created a new sense of hope and opportunity in our country. Then the jobs plan I presented to Congress, which would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, most of them in the private sector in 1993 and 1994, passed the House of Representatives. It now has the support of a majority of the United States Senate. But it's been held up by a filibuster of a minority in the Senate, just 43 senators. They blocked a vote that they know would result in the passage of our bill and the creation of jobs. The issue isn't politics; the issue is people. Millions of Americans are waiting for this legislation and counting on it, counting on us in Washington. But the jobs bill has been grounded by gridlock. I know the American people are tired of business as usual and politics as usual. I know they don't want us to spin or wheels. They want the recovery to get moving. So I have taken a first step to break this gridlock and gone the extra mile. Yesterday I offered to cut the size of this plan by 25 percent -- from $16 billion to $12 billion. It's not what I'd hoped for. With 16 million Americans looking for full-time work, I simply can't let the bill languish when I know that even a compromise bill will mean hundreds of thousands of jobs for our people. The mandate is to act to achieve change and move the country forward. By taking this initiative in the face of an unrelenting Senate talkathon, I think we can respond to your mandate and achieve a significant portion of our original goals. First, we want to keep the programs as much as possible that are needed to generate jobs and meet human needs, including highway and road construction, summer jobs for young people, immunization for children, construction of waste water sites, and aid to small businesses. We also want to keep funding for extended unemployment compensation benefits, for people who have been unemployed for a long time because the economy isn't creating jobs. Second, I've recommended that all the other programs in the bill be cut across-the-board by a little more than 40 percent. And third, I've recommended a new element in this program to help us immediately start our attempt to fight against crime by providing $200 million for cities and towns to rehire police officers who lost their jobs during the recession and put them back to work protecting our people. I'm also going to fight for a tough crime bill because the people of this country need it and deserve it. Now, the people who are filibustering this bill -- the Republican senators -- say they won't vote for it because it increases deficit spending, because there's extra spending this year that hasn't already been approved. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? Here's what they don't say. This program is more than paid for by budget cuts over my five-year budget, and this budget is well within the spending limits already approved by the Congress this year. It's amazing to me that many of these same senators who are filibustering the bill voted during the previous administration for billions of dollars of the same kind of emergency spending, and much of it was not designed to put the American people to work. This is not about deficit spending. We have offered a plan to cut the deficit. This is about where your priorities are -- on people or on politics. Keep in mind that our jobs bill is paid for dollar for dollar. It is paid for by budget cuts. And it's the soundest investment we can now make for ourselves and our children. I urge all Americans to take another look at this jobs and investment program; to consider again the benefits for all of us when we've helped make more American partners working to ensure the future of our nation and the strength of our economy. You know, if every American who wanted a job had one, we wouldn't have a lot of the other problems we have in this country today. This bill is not a miracle, it's a modest first step to try to set off a job creation explosion in this country again. But it's a step we ought to take. And it is fully paid for over the life of our budget. Tell your lawmakers what you think. Tell them how important the bill is. If it passes, we'll all be winners. Good morning, and thank you for listening. END 10:11 A.M. EDT " 4919,4,"From: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Joe Dropkin) Subject: Re: Apple announce 3 new performas (versions of the 400) Reply-To: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr12.151718.8485@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > Apple announced that it will start selling three new vesions of its >Performa 400. The new machines will have built-in modems and bundled software. > > The new models will be the 405, 430 and 450. > > Prices are not set by Apple, but by the retailer. The prices of the >new machines are expected to range from $1300-$1900. What kind of post is this? If you have something substantial to tell the world, then at least give us details! So what if they are coming out with new Macs, they always do that... what's new about these models? Etc... " 4920,10,"Subject: NCAA finals...Winner???? From: ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"" Lines: 1 Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post. " 4921,2,"From: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) Subject: Searching for a phonetic font Organization: Institut f. Arbeitsphysiologie a.d. Uni Dortmund Lines: 13 I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If anybody knows one, please mail me! Thanks. dw ################################################################## Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 # weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 # Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: ""Koennten Sie das # Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?"" << # " 4922,6,"From: jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman) Subject: Spring Cleaning Sale! Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US Distribution: na Lines: 71 Time once again to clean out the ol' closet. Some stuff is up for offers, some isn't. Please read carefully. In the MAKE OFFER department: WordPerfect 5.0, upgrade copy. Includes all disks and all upgrade manuals. Best offer. Balance of Power, 1992 edition, for the Amiga. With manual and reg. card. Best offer. In the FOR SALE department: Technics model 715 auto-reverse open-reel STEREO tape deck. Because it's auto-reverse, this deck records onto tape just like a cassette deck does, so it's not very good for splice-type editing. However, I have used it effectively in ""tape studio"" applications for mastering, and it works great. 3.75 and 7.5 ips speeds, supports up to 7"" reels. Dual lighted VU meters with record indicators. Full auto-reverse capable (and the mechanism works, too!). Adjustable sound on sound, and socket for remote control (I don't know where you'd find one, but they used to make 'em), plus a 110VAC unswitched outlet. This unit is in excellent condition and I have had it rebuilt once since I got it--works perfectly. Price: $225.00 or best offer, or possible trade (see below). Panasonic KX-P1624 printer. 24-pin with 360x360dpi resolution in both text and graphics modes. Warranty cards, manuals, all the usual stuff you expect when buying like-new merchandise. I'm selling it because I now have a better printer. This is the wide carriage version of the KX-P1124, by the way. Test prints are available upon request. Price: $250.00 o.b.o. or trade. Excalibur custom pool cue. 19 oz., 13 mm, brass joint, Irish linen wrap, could use a new tip but will hold up for a while. I've got too many cues as it is, and don't need this one. Hits nicely, is very straight and in excellent condition. Price: $125.00 o.b.o. or trade. Imperial hard case (1 butt/1 shaft) available for an additional $40.00. TRADES: I need the following things, and I have no cash of my own right now, so if you want to trade, it needs to be straight-across. The list: Amiga ROM upgrade to at LEAST 2.04, preferably 2.1+, with appropriate DOS and Workbench. 1 meg Agnus chip for the Amiga. Amiga hard drive and controller (preferably SCSI). IBM-compatible hard drive (and controller if not MFM). This one's touchy, as I have a full-height and don't have room for more unless I swap out--needs to be above 100M, and I will consider trading a good ST-4096 in the deal. Intel 9600EX or 14.4EX or similar EXTERNAL high-speed modem. This is not a complete list, but it's close. If you've got something way off the track of this list, it's probably not going to interest me at this point. Email responses, please. " 4923,6,"From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang) Subject: Re: For Sale: Quicken 3.0 for the PC Keywords: Accounting, Checking, Quicken Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 18 In article <1pma84$hpk@suntan.ec.usf.edu> boneham@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Kevin Boneham (CH)) writes: >In article <1pgvp1INN5ej@phakt.usc.edu> khoh@usc.edu (Oliver Muoto) writes: >>I have for sale Quicken 3.0 (PC Version) that allows you to balance > ^^^ >i assume you get new releases earlier than we do here? last i saw, version >2.0 was the latest. He is probably referring to the DOS version.. the dos versions is up to like version 6 i think. The window version just came out recently so it is only up to like version 2 or something. -- ********************************************************************** C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook E_ngineer ********************************************************************** " 4924,13,"From: egb7390@ucs.usl.edu (Boutte Erika G) Subject: M. contagiosem Organization: The Wild Wacky World of Dolly Parton Clones in Zero Gravity Lines: 16 I was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem. I acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers in my mind: Where did it come from? The little bit of info that I have received about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but also occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia. Any information will be greatly appreciated. ""I grow old, I grow old; I shall wear my trousers rolled."" -T. S. Eliot " 4925,2,"From: sam4628@chensun2m.tamu.edu (Arglebargle IV) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Texas A&M University Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: sam4628@chensun2m.tamu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: chensun2m.tamu.edu In article 5Iq@netcom.com, kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: } wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: } } } } } Hey, } } } could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse } } in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use } } MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any } } routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. } } } Thanks for your efforts, } } } Oliver } }-- } } NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart } } PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 } } FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 } } EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de } } Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS } before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded } to use the mouse in Windows. ... and you need a video driver which is completely Windows 3.1 compatible, and your mouse driver has to be completely compatible as well. Not quite so simple. (I never could get my logitech mouse to work 100% in a DOS window with my old Paradise card: now I have a Diamond SS24X and the 6.2 mouse drivers, and everything works perfectly). Steven M. " 4926,2,"From: shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) Subject: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 19 I have an IBM and run Windows 3.1. A friend installed Norton Desktop For Windows on top of this. It loads automatically when I type ""win"", and surely adds to the (already dismally slow) process of starting up. I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows. I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and progman.ini. Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows (progrman.ini has a ""group 7 = ...ndw.exe..."" which can't be deleted.) Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? thanks! Chet **PLEASE EMAIL RESPONSES -- I can't read news from my home account*** chetter@ucthpx.uct.ac.za " 4927,13,"From: kutuzova@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su Subject: THE RESEACHING OF STARVATION. Organization: Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Biophysics Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.iteb.serpukhov.su I am very interested in investigations of starvation for improving health. I am the young Russian reseacher and have highest medical education and expierence in reseach work in biological field and would like to work on this problem. Can anybody send me the adresses of the hospitals or Medical Centers where scientific problems of human starvation for the health are investigated? Also I would like to set scientific contacts with colleagues who deals with investigations in this field. I would be very appreciated anyone reply me. Pls, contact by post: 142292, Russia, Moscow Region, Puschino, P.O. box 46, for Kravchenko N. ; or by e-mail: kutuzova@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su Thank you advance, Natalja Kravchenko. " 4928,2,"From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: Need video drivers for Tseng True-color Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 18 Hello. I purchased a video card called ET-4000 true color card which can provide about 1700K colors. But the question is I can't find the corresponding drivers for windows 3.1 , I am now using 65k colors driver for win31. It works fine , but I think it will be better if I use 1700k driver. So, please tell me whether such a driver is available ! Thanks in advance. -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw " 4929,19,"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 20 cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes: >Once again, where's your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch >Davidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to >commit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not >suicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire >was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities >knocked over a lantern. In two places at once? Bit of a coincidence, that. Whatever the faults the FBI had, the fact is that responsibility for those deaths lies with Koresh. P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza " 4930,5,"From: Rob Earhart Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com> Yes, it's possible... in fact, there's some gl widget code in /usr/lpp/GL somewhere... (it's named Glib.c; my IBM's down right now though, so I can't find the exact location :) WARNING: this code feels quite bogus. It does things like calling noport() before winopen(), and then extracting an X window id from it anyway. It worked just fine under aix 3.1; I spent last weekend trying to port it to 3.2 (gl under 3.2 doesn't seem to like it), and it's turning into a Hard Job. Check out your ""info"" pages; it has some pretty good documentation on whan you can and can't do when mixing gl and X, and how to go about doing so. )Rob " 4931,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 41 In <16BB4C522.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.122329.21438@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > >>>>""AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE >>>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES) >>>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE."" (Holy Quran 21:33) >> >>>Hmm. This agrees with the Ptolemic system of the earth at the centre, >>>with the planets orbitting round it. So Copernicus and Gallileo were >>>wrong after all! >> >>You haven't read very carefully -- if you look again, you will see that >>it doesn't say anything about what is circling what. > >Anyway, they are not moving in circles. Oops, sorry, my words, not the words of the Qur'an. >Nor is there any evidence that >everything goes around in a rounded course in a general sense. Wishy- >washy statements are not scientific. Note that ""(the celestial bodies)"" in the above verse is an interpolation (which is why it is in brackets) -- it is the translator's (incorrect, IMHO) interpretation. Here is Maurice Bucaille's translation (he studied Arabic for his research into the Qur'an and science) of this verse: ""(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each is travelling in an orbit with its own motion."" (Qur'an :33) The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse (or anywhere in the Qur'an). Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 4932,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: >> I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >> Sails. [...] >> Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? Bill says ... >Also there is a nontechnical book on solar sailing by Louis Friedman, >a technical one by a guy whose name escapes me (help me out, Josh), I presume the one you refer to is ""Space Sailing"" by Jerome L. Wright. He worked on solar sails while at JPL and as CEO of General Astronautics. I'll furnish ordering info upon request. The Friedman book is called ""Starsailing: Solar Sails and Interstellar Travel."" It was available from the Planetary Society a few years ago, I don't know if it still is. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 4933,14,"From: pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Nntp-Posting-Host: wren Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 13 jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: >Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >to compute sunrise and sunset times. Would you mind posting the responses you get? I am also interested, and there may be others. Thanks, N. Shirlene Pearson pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu " 4934,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 36 [In response to some of the discussions on the Sabbath, Andrew Byler commented that if we really followed sola scriptura we would worship on Saturday -- the change to Sunday was a law made by the Church, and we don't acknowledge its authority to make laws. I noted that Protestants do not consider Sunday worship a law. --clh] He was not referring to the FAQ but to the five Sabbath Admissions posted on the bible study group. This is what prompted someone to send the FAQ to me. > The argument against the Sabbath is > that it is part of the ceremonial law, and like the rest of the n> ceremonial law is not binding on Christians. You cannot show, from scripture, that the weekly Sabbath is part of the ceremonial laws. Before you post a text in reply investigate its context. > If you accept that > the Sabbath is not binding on Christians, then the day of worship > falls into the category of items on which individual Christians or > (since worship is by its nature a group activity) churches are free to > decide. > Can the churches also decide what is and is not sin? Interesting. Where there is no divine imperative of course we must establish rules of operation. But we cannot be as creative with what God has explicitly spoken on. Darius [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law, and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh] " 4935,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: MACH 25 landing site bases? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.193829.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu The supersonic booms hear a few months ago over I belive San Fran, heading east of what I heard, some new super speed Mach 25 aircraft?? What military based int he direction of flight are there that could handle a Mach 25aircraft on its landing decent?? Odd question?? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 4936,16,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Impeach Clinton, Reno Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com > I HEARTILY agree. Now that the BATF warrant has been > unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an > ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this? > NO authority for a 'no-knock"" raid > NO authority to use helicopters. > NO authority to search for a ""drug lab"" > And, apparently, not even any authority to search for ""automatic > weapons"". > 51 days of GOVERNMENT LIES. Sorry, I missed all this! Can you please give an update on the warrant? I hadn't heard that it was unsealed. There was no authority for a ""no-knock?"" This is news. How about an OK for a wiretap? Please summarize! " 4937,16,"Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 58 Jason Kratz (U28037@uicvm.uic.edu) writes: > PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says: > >Jason Kratz writes: > > > >Don't be silly. Of course you can. The police have everything > >the gangs have and then some. Plus they've got access to the > >National Guard (via the Governor) if things get too rough. That's > >tanks for those of you who've never seen them at play. Of course, > >they've got rifles and helicopters. > > > >And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better > >armed if you want to hit what you aim at. > > What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally > blown out of proportion. In my post I was referring to your > regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs. gang > members. Of course the police have access to the things that you > mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time? Of > course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every > day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The > majority that I see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there > is anything wrong with a revolver but if you're a cop that is up > against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat (I > mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a disadvantage even > with training. how so? i think you're making assumptions here that might not necessarily be true. -my- personal choice would be a semi-auto, but revolvers are just as effective, if not more so. > I have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were > ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing taking out > their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they > weren't doing too badly either. relevancy, please? you sound shocked, but that hardly proves anything. > The University cops here (who are are state cops) are armed better > than the Chicago police. It seems most state cops are. I don't > know where you are originally from David but you live in Tennesse > and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in > the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here > than there. wait, doesn't Chicago have -serious- gun control? if so, why do the police need all that firepower in the first place? (sarcasm alert) all the patrol cars i've seen around here have shotguns clamped to the dash board. IMHO, that's all the police need to outgun just about anything. jason -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data `,` `,` is Life -- The Player's Litany, from _The Long Run_ by D.K. Moran `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` " 4938,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Summary: Warning, lots of words in typical Phlegmatic fashion Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 447 GREAT post Martin. Very informative, well-balanced, and humanitarian without neglecting the need for scientific rigor. (Cross-posted to alt.psychology.personality since some personality typing will be discussed at the beginning - Note: I've set all followups to sci.med since most of my comments are more sci.med oriented and I'm sure most of the replies, if any, will be med-related.) In article banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes: >I can not believe the way this thread on candida(yeast) has progressed. >Steve Dyer and I have been exchanging words over the same topic in Sci. >Med. Nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman >poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did >not exist. Calling this physician a quack was reprehensible, Steve, and I >see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well. They are just responding in their natural way: Hyper-Choleric Syndrome (HCS). Oops, that is not a recognized ""illness"" in the psychological community, better not say that since it therefore must not, and never will, exist. :^) Actually, it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians will type out as NT (for those not familiar with the Myers-Briggs system, just e-mail me and I'll send a summary file to you). In the general population, NT's comprise only about 12% of the population, but among physicians it is much much higher (I don't know the exact percentage - any help here a.p.p.er's?) One driving characteristic of an NT, especially an NTJ, is their obvious choleric behavior (driver, type A, etc.) - the extreme emotional need to control, to lead, and/or to be the best or the most competent. If they are also extroverted, they are best described as ""Field Marshalls"". This trait is very valuable and essential in our society - we need people who want to lead, to strive to overcome the elements, to seek and thirst for knowledge, to raise the level of competency, etc. The great successes in science and technology are in large part due to the vision (an N trait) and scientifically- minded approach (T trait) of the NT personality (of course, the other types and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well). However, when the NT person has self-image challenges, the ""dark-side"" of this personality type usually comes out, which should be obvious to all. A physician who is a strong NT and who has not learned to temper their temperament will be extremely business-like (lack of empathy or feeling), and is very compelled to have total control over their patient (the patient must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question). I've known many M.D.'s of this temperament and suffice to say I don't oblige them with a followup visit, no matter how competent I think they are (and they usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an extreme drive of theirs - to know the most, to know it all). Maybe we need more NF doctor's. :^) Enough on this subject - let's move on to candida bloom. >Let me tell you who the quacks really are, these are the physicans who have >no idea how the human body interacts with it's environment and how that >balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics... Could it just be >professional jealousy? I couldn't help Elaine or Jon but somebody else did. You've helped me already by your post. Of course, I believe that I have been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from 'anal retentivitis', but being the phlegmatic I am, maybe I was just a little too harsh on a few people myself in past posts. Let's all try to raise the level of this discussion above the level of anal effluent. >...Humans have all >kinds of different organisms living in the GI system (mouth, stomach, small >and large intestine), sinuses, vagina and on the skin. These are >nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune >system is compromised. They are also called nonpathogens because unlike >the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease, they do not produce >toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body. But any of >these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up >residence within the body. A poor mucus membrane barrier can let this >happen and vitamin A is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier. In my well-described situation (in prior posts), I definitely was immune stressed. Blood tests showed my vitamin A levels were very low. My sinuses were a mess - no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged. I also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years! In the end, even two weeks of Ceftin did not work and I had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial infection of the sinuses via cat-scans, mucus color (won't get into the details), and other symptoms. Three very traditional ENT's made this diagnosis (I did not have any cultures done, however, because of the difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed a bacterial infection). Enough of this background (provided to help you understand where I was when I make comments about my Sporanox anti-fungal therapy below). The first question I have is this. Can fungus penetrate a little way into poor mucus membrane tissue, maybe via hyphae, thus causing symptoms, without being considered 'systemic' in the classic sense? It is sort of an inbetween infection. >Steve got real upset with Elaine's doctor because he was using anti-fungals >and vitamin A for her GI problems. If Steve really understoood what >vitamin A does in the body, he would not(or at least should not) be calling >Elaine's doctor a quack. I was concerned, too, because of the toxicity of vitamin A. My doctor, after my blood tests, put me on 75,000 IU of vitamin A for one week only, then dropped it down to 25,000 IU for the next couple of weeks. I also received zinc and other supplementation, since all of these interrelate in fairly complex ways as my doctor explained (he's one of those 'evil' orthomolecular specialists). I had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin A was normal, he then stopped me on all vitamin A (except for some in a multi-vitamin) supplement), and made sure that I maintain a 50,000 IU/day of beta carotene. Call me carrot face. :^) Hopefully, Elaine's doctor will take a similar, careful approach and to all supplements. I'm even reevaluating some supplements I'm taking, for example, niacin in fairly large dosages, 1 gram/day, which Steve Dyer had good information about on sci.med.nutrition. If niacin only has second-order improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies, then it probably is not worth taking such a large dose long-term and risking liver damage. >survives. If it gets access to a lot of glucose, it blooms and over rides >the other organisms living with it in the sinuses, GI tract or vagina. In Though I do now believe, based on my successful therapy with Sporanox, that I definitely had some excessive growth of fungus (unknown species) in my sinuses, I still want to ask the question: have there been any studies that demonstrate candida ""blooms"" in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation (sinusitis/rhinitis)? (My sinus irritation reduced significantly after one week of Sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this time - I did not have any noticeable GI track problems before starting on Sporanox, but some for a few days after which then went away - considered normal). BTW, my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books (sorry, can't remember which one), and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950's which stated that people can develop contained (non-lethal or non-serious) aspergillis infestations (aspergiliosis) of the sinuses leading to sinus inflammation symptoms. I'll have to dig out that reference again since it is relevant to this discussion. >some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus >membrane or skin bloom site. Whether this is an allergic like reaction to >the candida or not isn't certain. My doctor tested me (I believe a RAST or RAST similar test) for allergic response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive. Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow part-way into the mucus membrane tissue, and the concentration exceeds a threshold amount, could not a person who tests as having an allergy to Candida definitely develop allergic symptoms, such as mucus membrane irritation due to the body's allergic response? As I said in an earlier post, one does not need to be a rocket scientist, or have a M.D. degree or a Ph.D. in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis. BTW, and I'll repost this again. Dr. Ivker, in his book, ""Sinus Survival"", has routinely given, before anything else, Nizoral (a pre-Sporanox systemic anti-fungal, not as safe and not as good as Sporanox) to his new chronic sinusitis patients IF they have been on antibiotics four or more times in the last two years. He claims that out of 2000 or so patients, well over 90% notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms, but it doesn't cure it by any means, implying the so-called yeast/fungus infection is not the primary cause, but a later complication. He's also found that nystatin, whether taken internally, or put into a sinus spray, does not help. This implies (of course assuming that excessive yeast/fungus bloom is aggravating the sinus inflammation) that the yeast/fungus has grown partway into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast/fungus other than by direct contact - it is not absorbed into the blood stream. Again, I admit, lots of 'ifs', and 'implies', which doesn't please the hard-core NT who has to have the double-blind study or it's a non-issue, but one has to start with some plausible hypothesis/explanation, a strawman, if you will. >If it's internal, only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty >nondescript. This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture the yeast ""bloom"" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body. It's a real Catch-22. Another Catch-22: Those who totally reject the 'yeast hypothesis' say that no studies have been done (actually studies have been done, but if it's not up to a certain standard then it is, from their perspective, a non-study which should not even be considered). I agree that the appropriate studies should be done, and that will take big $ to do it right. However, in order to convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets, you literally have to give them evidence, and the only acceptable evidence to compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study needed funding. That is, you have to do 90% of the study before you even get funding (as a scientist at a National Lab, I'm very aware of this for the smaller funded projects). I'm afraid that even if Dr. Ivker and 100 other doctors got together, pooled their practice's case histories and anecdotes into a compelling picture, and approach the funding agencies, they would get nowhere, even if they were able to publish their statistical results. It is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have *decided* excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to noticeable non-lethal symptoms does not exist, and is not even a tenable hypothesis, so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence to the contrary will never change their mind, and not only that, they would also oppose the needed studies because in their minds it's a done issue - excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not, will not, and cannot exist. Period. Kind of tough to dialog with those who hold such a viewpoint. Kind of reminds me of Lister... >Candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in >the sinuses, the GI tract(mouth, stomach and intestines) and in the >vaginal tract which compete with it for food. The human immune system >ususally does not bother itself with these(nonpathogenic organisms) unless >they broach the mucus membrane ""barrier"". If they do, an inflammatory >response will be set up. Most Americans are not getting enough vitamin A >from their diets. About 30% of all American's die with less Vitamin A than >they were born with(U.S. autopsy studies). While this low level of vitamin >A does not cause pathology(blindness) it does impair the mucus membrane >barrier system. This would then be a predisposing factor for a strong >inflammatory response after a candida bloom. Aren't there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the sinus mucus membranes and cilia? >While diabetics can suffer from a candida ""bloom"" the most common cause of >this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which >knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main >competition for candida as far as food is concerned. While drugs are >available to handle candida, many patients find that their doctor will not >use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection. The toxicity of >the anti-fungal drugs does warrant some caution. But if the GI or sinus >inflammation is suspected to be candida(and recent use of a broad spectrum >antibiotic is the smoking gun), then anti-fungal use should be approrpriate >just as the anti-fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring >vaginal yeast infections, in spite of what Mr. Steve Dyer says. Again, the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast/fungus species can grow hyphae (""roots"") into deep tissue, similar to mold growing in bread. You can continue to kill the surface, such as nystatin does, but you can't kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic anti-fungal such as itraconazole (Sporanox) or some of the older ones such as Nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective. This is why, as has been pointed out by recent studies (sent to me by a doctor I've been in e-mail contact with - thanks), that nystatin is not effective in the long- term treatment of GI tract ""candidiasis"". It's like trying to weed a garden by cutting off what's above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come out again once you walk away. The $60000 question is whether a contained candida ""bloom"" can partially grow into tissue through the mucus membranes, causing some types of symptoms in susceptible people (e.g., allergy), without becoming ""systemic"" in the classical sense of the word - something in between strictly an excessive bloom not causing any problems and the full-blown systemic infection that is potentially lethal. >In the GI system, the ano-rectal region seems to be a particularly good >reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very >favorable environment around the rectum for transfer(through moisture and >humidity) of candida to the vaginal tract. One of the most effctive ways to >minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear. Also, if one is an 'anal retentive', like I've been diagnosed in a prior post, that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth. ;^) >If the bloom occurs in the anal area, the burning, swelling, pain and even >blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids. If the >bloom manages to move further up the GI tract, very diffuse symptomatology >occurs(abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool). This positive stool >for occult blood is what sent Elaine to her family doctor in the first >place. After extensive testing, he told her that there was nothing wrong >but her gut still hurt. On to another doctor, and so on. Richard Kaplan >has told me throiugh e-mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool >specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of >false positives(candida blooms guys?). If my gut hurt me on a constant >basis, I would want it fixed. Yes it's nice to know that I don't have >colon cancer but what then is causing my distress? When I finally find a >doctor who treats me and gets me 90% better, Steve Dyer calls him a quack. As I've said in private e-mail, there are flaws in our current medical system that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt alternative therapies AFTER the approved/proven/accepted therapies don't work. For example, I went to three ENT's, who all said that I will just have to live with my acute/chronic sinusitis after the ab's failed (they did mention surgery to open up the ostia, but my ostia weren't plugged and it would not get to the root cause of my condition). After three months of aggressive and fairly non-standard therapy (Sporanox, body nutrient level monitoring and equalization, vitamin C, lentinen, echinacea, etc.), my health has vastly improved to where I was two years ago, before my health greatly deteriorated. Of course, skeptics would say that maybe if I did nothing I would have improved anyway, but that view is stretching things quite far because of the experience of the three ENT's I saw who said that I'd just have to ""live with it"". I'm confident I will reach what one could call a total ""cure"". The anti-fungal program I undertook was one necessary step in that direction because of my overuse of ab's for the last four years. (Note: for those having sinus problems, may I suggest the book by Dr. Ivker I mention above. Be sure to get the revised edition.) >...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic >GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his >patients is a non-existent syndrome. Dr. Ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems, and his visits to several ENT's totally floored him when they said ""you'll just have to live with it"". He spent several years trying everything - standard and non-standard, until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis. He now shares his approach in his book and I can honestly say that I am on the road to recovery following some parts of it. His one recommendation to take a systemic anti-fungal at the beginning of treatment IF you have a history of anti-biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own practice. I'm sure if I commented to him of the hard-core beliefs of the anti- ""yeast hypothesis"" posters that he would have definite things to say, such as, ""it's worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases"", to put it mildly. I also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating their moral obligations to help the patient. Maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the ""hypothetical yeast overgrowth"" (e.g., they fit some of the profiles the pro-yeast people have identified), should consider anti-fungal therapy IF all other avenues have been exhausted. Remember, theory and practice are two different things - you cannot have one without the other, they are synergistic. If a doctor does something non-standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a thousand of his patients, shouldn't you at least sit up and take notice? Maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works instead of why it shouldn't work. I'm afraid a lot of doctors have become so enamored with ""scientific correctness"" that they are ignoring the patients they have sworn to help. You have to do both; both have to be balanced, which we don't see from some of the posters to this group. There comes a point when you just have to use a little common sense, and maybe an empirical approach (such as trying a good systemic anti-fungal such as Sporanox) after having exhausted all the other avenues. I was one of those who the traditional medical establishment was not able to help, so I did the natural thing: I went to a couple of doctor's who are (somewhat) outside this establishment, and as a result I have found significant relief. Would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up some kind of mechanism where any doctor, without fear of being sued or having his license pulled, can try experimental and unproven (beyond a doubt) therapies for his/her patients that finally reach the point where all the accepted therapies are ineffective? I'd like to hear a doctor tell me: ""well, I've tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this country, and since they clearly don't work for you, I now have the authority to use experimental, unproven techniques that seem to have helped others. I can't promise anything, and there are some risks. You will have to sign something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of these unproven therapies, and I'll have to register your case at the State Board."" Anyway, if my ENT had suggested this to me, I would've jumped on this pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who, for either altruistic reasons, or for greed, is practicing these alternative therapies with much risk to him/her (risk meaning losing their license) and possibly to the patient. Such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine, and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free. It also would be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the compassion of the medical community to the patient - that it's doing everything it can within reason to help the patient. It is the lack of such a mechanism that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies, some of which seem to work (like my case), and others of which will never work at all (true quackery). I better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500K in size. >If taken orally, it can also become a major bacteria in the gut. Through >aresol sprays, it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes. >But before this innoculation occurs, the mucus membrane barrier system >needs to be strengthened. This is accomplished by vitamin A, vitamin C and >some of the B-complex vitamins. Diet surveys repeatedly show that Americans >are not getting enough B6 and folate. These are probably the segement of >the population that will have the greatest problem with this non-existent >disorder(candida blooms after antibiotic therapy). What dosage of B6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper working of the mucos memebranes? >Some of the above material was obtained from ""Natural Healing"" by Mark >Bricklin, Published by Rodale press, as well as notes from my human >nutrition course. I will be posting a discussion of vitamin A sometime in >the future, along with reference citings to point out the extremely >important role that vitamin A plays in the mucus membrane defense system in >the body and why vitamin A should be effective in dealing with candida >blooms. Another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate >intake during the treatment phase, this is especially important if the GI >system is involved. If candida can not get glucose, it's not going to out >grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria, which can use amino acids and >fatty acids for energy, a chance to take over and keep the candida in check >once carbohydrate is returned to the gut. I'd like to see the role of complex carbohydrates, such as starch. >If Steve and some of the other nay-sayers want to jump all over this post, >fine. I jumped all over Steve in Sci. Med. Nutrition because he verbably >accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctor's use of vitamin >A and anti-fungals for a candida bloom in her gut. People seeking advice >from newsnet should not be treated this way. Those of us giving of our >time and knowledge can slug it out to our heart's content. If you saved >your venom for me Steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly >seeking help alone, I wouldn't have a problem with your behavior. Brave soul you are. The venom on Usenet can be quite toxic unless one develops an immunity to it. One year ago, my phlegmatic self would have backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis. But my immune system, and my computer system, have been hardened from gradual desensitization. I now kind of like being called ""anal retentive"" - it has a nice ring to it. I also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the post - truly classic, worthy of a blue (or maybe brown) ribbon. I might even cross-post it to alt.best.of.internet. Hmmm... >Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. >Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman >Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology >OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine Thanks again for a great and informative post. I hope others who have researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their thoughts as well, no matter their views on this subject. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 4939,15,"From: fernandeza@merrimack.edu Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA Lines: 12 In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: > I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is > believeing blindly or not. .... If you decide in advance that your reason > will act only on the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut > reason off from any possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the > physical sphere Someone said: ""Thinking if I could see, I would believe. Then someone said BELIEVE AND YOU WILL SEE!!"" " 4940,9,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: spring records Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 26 Distribution: world Expires: 5/9/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Earl Weaver Commandments The Orioles' pitching staff again is having a fine exhibition season. Four shutouts, low team ERA, (Well, I haven't gotten any baseball news since March 14 but anyways) Could they contend, yes. Could they win it all? Maybe. But for all those fans of teams with bad spring records, remember Earl Weaver's first law of baseball (From his book on managing) No one gives a damn in July if you lost a game in March. :) BTW, anyone have any idea on the contenders for the O's fifth starter? It's pretty much set that Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald and Rhodes are the first four in the rotation. Here at Johns Hopkins University where the mascot is the Blue Jay :(, their baseball team logo was the Toronto club's logo. Now it's a anatomically correct blue jay. God, can't they think of an original idea? It's even in the same pose as the baltimore oriole on the O's hats. How many people realize that the bird is really called a baltimore oriole? __________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | |and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | |****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 4941,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.022922.11861@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>No restriction was placed >>on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement >>of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934. > >Isin't there some kind of rule (regulation, law, whatever) in some >juristictions that prohibit the use of *police band* recievers >in vehicles? And that radar transmissions are included in the police band >so they get covered by the same regulation? Those rules/regulations/laws would be subject to the same attack: that they are attempting to preempt federal authority to regulate (or not) radio communications. Of course, as the original poster noted, court challenges of this kind can get expensive. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 4942,11,"From: ab@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Allan Brockman) Subject: I don't have FTP, live in Canada, how do i get RSA(RAS?) 4 my atariS Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada Lines: 9 i don't have FTP and i live in canada ( this means that it would be illeagle for a U.S. citizen to send the program to me. their gigerment wishes to restrict its dispersil ) but someone in europe must have ported a coppy of RSA to the atariST by now. how do i get a coppy of the RSA from a non-FTP news feed? -- Allan Brockman ab@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca " 4943,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: news says BATF indictment/warrant unsealed... Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 26 |QUESTION: |What will Californians do with all those guns after the Reginald |denny trial? The Wall Street Journal had an article on how the police were whining about all the new guns; excuse me, but police are EMPLOYEES of the government. Rather like having your janitor complain about job conditions. I say Californians should form armed block clubs that would engage in coordinated strategies should BATF attempt to disarm them based on the ""nefarious tipster"" theory of law enforcement. Unlike Waco, Californians should be able to destroy armored vehicles in city streets with incendiary weapons, acetylene after slowing them down with abandoned car blockades. M-1 Garands should easily outclass BATF shock troops with their H&K MP-5 SMGs, and there should be enough Sony Walkmans and Boom Boxes to overwhelm any FBI psy-war operation... yes, a good time would be had by all. Billary Clinton would get what he wanted, a War on Gunowners, the BATF would attempt to show the anti-gun press they they really, REALLY were in charge with a 500-man ""Charge of the Light Brigade,"" and the FBI would attempt to show how _THEY_ really were in charge by asking the Californian National Guard to level the area with artillary! :-) :-) :-) " 4944,1,"From: jfreund@taquito.engr.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) Subject: Info on Medical Imaging systems Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis Lines: 10 Hi, Is anyone into medical imaging? I have a good ray tracing background, and I'm interested in that field. Could you point me to some sources? Or better yet, if you have any experience, do you want to talk about what's going on or what you're working on? Thanks, Jason Freund " 4945,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 31 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr19.230236.18227@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) writes: > In article <1quule$5re@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > |> > |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce > |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. > |> > |> Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? > Here are some selected excerpts of the invitation/registration form they > sent me. Retyped without permission, all typo's are mine. Thanks for typing that in, Steven. Sounds like a ""fall back and regroup"" strategy session. I wanted to add that my copy of the brochure arrived with a flattering cover letter: ""Invitations are being extended to those who have demonstrated a strong committment to space program development and have been influential in its advancement. We sincerely hope you will be able to attend."" Wow! I wonder which of my contributions to the conquest of space convinced them to send me this letter? I hope you decide to go, Pat. The Net can use some eyes and ears there... Bill Higgins | If we can put a man on the Moon, why can't Fermilab | we put a man on the Moon? -- Bill Engfer higgins@fnal.fnal.gov | If we can put a man on the Moon, why can't higgins@fnal.Bitnet | we put a woman on the Moon? -- Bill Higgins " 4946,16,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: BATF's Prime Directive Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 7 Bully, Them; Bludgeon Them, Bury Them. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. " 4947,9,"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Detroit Tigers Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu Keywords: Detroit is the top offensive team in the league In article <1qt1f3$o7o@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: } The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. With } Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger bats } will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with } Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No pitching! } Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that will keep } the team into many games. Then there is Henneman to close it out. Watch out } Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore - the Motor City Kittys are back. nice woofing (or should i say meowing?). and yes, the Tiggers are a fun, exciting team that i would pay to see. but last year, they went 75-87. this year, their offense is essentially the same, and their pitching is, at best, essentially the same. so why do you think they will suddenly improve to win the 92 or so games which will be required to win the A.L. East? what has changed that i don't see? remember, a 20-4 win is worth as much in the standings as a 3-2 win... -*- charles " 4948,18,"From: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: Stop putting down white het males. Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 33 it may be a little late to reply to your tirade and also on an inaapropriate board but along with all of the so called great things the white male has done they have also contributed to society by means of mass genocide, the theft of ideas and cultures, creating and the perptration of historical lies throughouttime among many other horrible activities. but every culture has its upside and its downside. it seems to me that the white male (must be extremely ignorant to qualify for the following - if you're not disregard) and western culture are the only things that look to actively classify things as good or bad, worthy or unworthy (ya dig) it can be seen with slavery and the manipulation and destruction of the american indians civilization. nothing but selfish acts that benefit one group of people (and not even their women get or got respected or regarded as equal - ain't that some stuff) white men - not being specific - but in a lot of cases are just wack or have wack conceptions of how the world is to serve their purpose. just look at david koresh - throughout history (i may be shortsighted on this one so excuse my predjudiced ignorance) only white men associate themselves withbeing GOD. no other culture is ignorant or arrogant enough to assume such a position. and then to manipulate and mislead all those people. hmmm... i'd say look in your history books but since it seems that history has been written to glorify the exploits of white men you'd only find lies. awww that's enough already from me because this has nothing to do with sex or this board. if ya'd like to continue this discussion e-mail me and we can compare and contrast ideas i like conflict - it's educational when the communcation is good...................... my $.02 worth (i apologize to those who thought this was going to be about SEX but i was prompted by a response i found up here) dave lewis - frisky HANDS man " 4949,3,"From: lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu Subject: More Adaptec 1542B problems Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities Lines: 25 Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.circa.ufl.edu Okay, here is my configuration: 80486-33 Gateway 433C Micronics ISA 12MB RAM WD212MB IDE HD ( drive C: ) ST3144A 125MB IDE HD ( drive D: ) Adaptec SCSI 1542B controller, with SCSI BIOS enabled Seagate ST296N 80MB SCSI drive Alrighty, when I boot up I get the Adaptec BIOS message, but it says something like: ""Drive C: installed"" ""Drive D: installed"" ""ADaptec SCSI BIOS not installed!"" And I can't get to the Seagate drive. I go into PhoenixBIOS setup, remove the entry for drive D:, and BOOM, I can access the Seagate. Is there a way to get two IDE drives and the Seagate at the same time? I have ASPI4DOS.SYS, but it just hangs the system. Brian " 4950,7,"From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold) Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA Distribution: na Originator: tommy@hoodlum Nntp-Posting-Host: hoodlum.l1135.att.com Lines: 18 wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: $ [...] $ Actually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one. $ Good luck. I'm sorry I let mine go... I grew up in New York City so I rode in many Checker cabs. The jump seats were fun as a kid. Although the cars were roomy -- a good trait for a taxi -- they had a design flaw that I don't understand they never fixed: the rear passengers tended to fall out of their seats when the driver braked. I wouldn't want to take a long ride in the back seat of one of these vehicles. Why did you like yours? I never drove one, so I have to ask. -- Tommy Reingold AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy " 4951,16,"From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com>, allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: > > papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod): > > >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up? > > Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide. > No comparison. > > Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey > are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and > kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate. > Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of > booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a > demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it. If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower. In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into this country has greatly decreased. This is because its value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a good dollar/pound deal. Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production would have to be local. There are not all that many people who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would pay through the nose for it. " 4952,9,"From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) Subject: Reds snap 5-game losing streak: RedReport 4-18 Keywords: Finally Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 136 Kevin Mitchell's sacrifice fly in the eighth off Brett Saberhagen plated pitch runner Cesar Hernandez to give the Reds a 2-3 come-from-behind victory over New York. Hernandez ran for pinch-hitter Cecil Espy, who got the inning started with a solid single to right, moved to second on ""Bob"" Kelly's infield sneaker down the third-base line, and to third on Jeff Branson's well-placed bunt--a rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless Reds offense. Cincinnati trailed 2-0 after starter Tim Pugh blinked in the fifth. He had only given up one hit in the first four innings, a fourth-inning lead-off double by Vince Coleman. Coleman was left stranded at third by Bobby Bonilla after Joe Orselak popped to short. Orselak was pinch-hitting for Eddie Murray who argued plate umpire Kellogg's inside strike by ""drawing the line"" (really, he should know better than that). Murray, and later manager Jeff Torborg ended up getting tossed. The Mets' fifth started with a Howard Johnson's first-pitch homer. Pugh must have been slightly shaken, as he was popped on the next pitch by Jeff Kent's single, then a Ryan Thompson liner to left was (surprise) misplayed by Mitchell and turned into a RBI triple. Catcher Hundley's grounder to the drawn-in Branson failed to bring Thompson in, then the play of the game occured: Saberhagen was due up, so Reds pitching coach Larry Rothschild met with the infield to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze. They called it perfectly: Thompson was hung out to dry after Pugh's first-pitch pitch out and the threat ended. (Isn't the NATIONAL LEAGUE great??) The Reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game. After Barry Larkin's ground out, Mitchell, Chris Sabo, and Randy Milligan got back-to-back-to-back singles--the third scoring Mitchell. Reggie Sanders then plated Sabo with a long fly to center. A double by Oliver might have scored runner Dan Wilson, but third base coach Dave Bristol threw up the stop sign too late--Wilson himself was hung out to dry killing the Reds rally. Rob Dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily. With two outs and a runner on second Bonilla came to the plate and all I could think of was the Sunday game in late August last year when Bonilla's three-run dinger slapped a loss on Dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for Cinci's season. Bonilla ended up walking, and HoJo flied out to left to give the Reds their first win in a week, and earned Dibble his third save in as many opportunities. The win went to Steve Foster (1-2) who got in what must be an ego-boosting two perfect innings work, striking out three. Saberhagen (2-1) got the loss--though I'm a bit surprised he even pitched in the eighth. I'll take it, though. The Reds are now 3-9, still the worst team in baseball with the Royals victory today. The Mets are 6-5. The Line: New York Mets AB R H K BB LO -----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- Coleman lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 Fernandez ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 Murray 1b 1 0 0 0 0 0 Orselak ph/rf 3 0 1 0 0 0 Bonilla rf/1b 3 0 0 2 1 1 Johnson 3b 3 1 1 1 0 2 Kent 2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 Thompson cf 3 0 1 1 0 0 Hundley c 3 0 0 2 0 0 Saberhagen p 3 0 0 0 0 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Totals 30 2 5 8 1 3 HR-Johnson (off Pugh, leading off fifth, 0-0 pitch) 3b-Thompson (off Pugh, in fifth, 0 out, 1 RBI, picked-off) 2b-Coleman (off Pugh, in fourth, 0 out, 0 on, stranded at third) RBI-Johnson, Thompson Cincinnati Reds AB R H K BB LO -----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- Kelly cf 4 0 1 0 0 0 Branson 2b 3 0 1 0 0 0 Larkin ss 3 0 0 0 1 0 Mitchell lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 Dibble p 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sabo 3b 4 1 1 1 0 2 Milligan 1b 3 0 3 0 0 0 Wilson pr/c 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sanders rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 Oliver c/1b 3 0 1 1 0 1 Pugh p 1 0 0 1 0 0 Roberts ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 Foster p 0 0 0 0 0 0 Espy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 Hernandez pr/lf 0 1 0 0 0 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Totals 28 3 9 4 1 5 (*) (*) Oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when Wilson was run down. 2b Oliver (off Saberhagen, 2 out, runner on first, stranded) RBI-Milligan, Sanders, and Mitchell Sac-Branson SF-Sanders and Mitchell IBB-Larkin GDP-Larkin New York 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 ---- 2-5-0 Cincinnati 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 x ---- 3-9-0 Pitching IP R ER H K BB NEW YORK Saberhagen (L 2-1) 8 3 3 9 4 1 CINCINNATI Pugh 6 2 2 4 4 0 Foster (W 1-2) 2 0 0 0 3 0 Dibble (S 3) 1 0 0 1 1 1 PB- Wilson Ejected-Murray, Torborg Umps-Kellogg/Relliford/Runge/DeMuth Attendance 32,435 T- 2:23 Coming up: The Reds travel to Pittsburgh for three then continue on into Chicago for three. Next game is Tuesday at 7:35, expected to pitch are Belcher (0-1) vs. Tomlin (0-0). RStimets " 4953,12,"From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) Subject: Need pinouts for a G8870 dtmf decoder chip Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 19 I bought this chip from Suncoast Technology and tried to build their dtmf decoder circuit. But it's not working... If anyone has the pinouts and possibly the voltage specs I'd sure appreciated it. If someone could fax, email, or snail mail a copy of the spec sheet for this chip that would be even better. :) Please email me if you can help. Thanks in advance, -- Mont Pierce +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | | bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | | modes: cw,ssb,fm | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 4954,11,"From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: ogmore.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: > fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the > right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton > and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing, > figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us. Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay the body at the proper door to start with. -- Geoff Kuenning geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com " 4955,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Sin Organization: Indiana University Lines: 22 Sorry for taking this off of Sharon's resp, but I'd also like to add some more verses to that and perhaps answer the second Q. Verses: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Colossians 3:5-10 As for knowing when, that's a bit tricky. People normally have consciences which warn them about it. However, as in my case, a conscience can be hardened by sin's deceitfulness (Hebrews 3:12:13) so that the person has no idea (or doesn't care about it) that they are sinning. Of course, there are those sins which we do when we don't know that they're sinful to begin with. Those take searching and examining of Scripture to find out that they are sinful and then repent and change. The best question to ask in every circumstance to judge sinful possibilities is: ""Would Jesus wholeheartedly do this at this point in time?"" I know, it sounds like a cop-out, but it truly is a stifling question. Joe Fisher Oh, I missed one. 1 John 1:8-2:11,15-23. " 4956,1,"From: geigel@seas.gwu.edu (Joseph Geigel) Subject: Looking for AUTOCAD .DXF file parser Organization: George Washington University Lines: 16 Hello... Does anyone know of any C or C++ function libraries in the public domain that assist in parsing an AUTOCAD .dxf file? Please e-mail. Thanks, -- -- jogle geigel@seas.gwu.edu " 4957,5,"From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) Subject: Re: SVR4.x binary dists (was Re: RFD: to create comp.unix.sys5.univel) Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk In article rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: >The other scary thing is that I ship libxcl.so with the 6 functions >in it; how many other libxcl.so type libraries will be shipped by >other vendors? Should I trademark the name libxcl.a? What if >some clown uses that name and only puts 4 of the troublesome >functions in it? Does USL SVR4 support LD_RUN_PATH a la Solaris 2? Or an equivalent? If so, you can put the library in a package specific lib directory, compile the app with LD_RUN_PATH defined, and all should work. Besides, I'd say name it libPACKAGExcl.a if possible. Cheers, -- \/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17 This article is dedicated to vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk ...!uknet!warwick!vato those who disapprove but /I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/ continue to @c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson read " 4958,4,"From: dschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu (Daniel S. Chen) Subject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: corona.hsc.usc.edu What is hardware handshaking and when do I want to use it? Dan " 4959,6,"From: afhetzel@netcom.com (A.F. Hetzel) Subject: Aviation Headset D.C. H10-40 For Sale Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 25 For Sale: David Clark H10-40 Aviation Headset Excellent Condition (not even a scratch) -- original packaging. Discover for yourself why the H10-40 continues to be the favorite headset of thousands of pilots. It was the first headset to have the advanced M-4 amplified electret microphone - with a frequency response specifically designed to match the human voice. Also includes durable universal boom assembly and a noise reduction rating (NRR) of 24dB. Weighs 19 oz. ** Includes Telex ""push to talk switch"" Asking $220.00 U.S. Shipping negotiable. For more information respond to: afhetzel@netcom.com (Andrew) -- Andrew F. Hetzel ""I complete less work before 9:00am than afhetzel@netcom.com most people do all day."" Ann Arbor, MI USA " 4960,8,"From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America? Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 18 In article davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes: > >As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica >Ducati. So. If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone trade me an MHR Duc for it? =============================================================================== |Jeff Earls jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530 KotTG KotSPT WMTC AMA | |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon | Squid Factor: 16.99 | |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy | ""Hit the button Chewie!""... Han Solo | ""There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies."" - me " 4961,4,"From: jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy) Subject: Memory upgrades Organization: UCB Space Sciences Lab Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu Excuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in several FAQs but couldn't really find anything. I have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want (need) to add additional memory. But I'm on a budget. I really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is the best (performance wise) and most economical way to do this? Someone told me that I should only use SIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg, 4 2 meg, etc. What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg and use the rest of what I already have? The manual hasn't been very helpful with this. Thanks. (Respond via e-mail if it isn't worth the bandwidth.) ____________________________________________________________________ ""common human laws and interests ""I wouldn't exactly call it a and emotions have no validity a happy dogma, but it makes me or signifigance in the vast feel better about not cosmos-at-large..."" getting laid..."" -HP Lovecraft -R. Carter ____________________________________________________________________ ______ ______ __ | /\ ___\ /\ ___\ /\ \ jacob@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu | \ \___ \\ \___ \\ \ \___ | \/\_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ | \/_____/ \/_____/ \/_____/ " 4962,10,"From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL playoff results (4/15) Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 70 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] GAME(S) OF 4/15 --------------- ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2 (Adirondack leads series, 1-0) ================================================= FIRST ROUND Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2 Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4 Gm 3: 4/16 Providence at Springfield Gm 4: 4/17 Providence at Springfield Gm 5: 4/22 Springfield at Providence * Gm 6: 4/24 Providence at Springfield * Gm 7: 4/27 Springfield at Providence * CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings Gm 1: ADIRONDACK 6 CDI 2 Gm 2: 4/17 CDI at Adirondack Gm 3: 4/18 Adirondack at CDI Gm 4: 4/21 Adirondack at CDI Gm 5: 4/23 CDI at Adirondack * Gm 6: 4/24 Adirondack at CDI * Gm 7: 4/26 CDI at Adirondack * Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers Gm 1: 4/16 Baltimore at Binghamton Gm 2: 4/17 Baltimore at Binghamton Gm 3: 4/23 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton * Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore * Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton * Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans Gm 1: 4/16 Utica at Rochester Gm 2: 4/17 Utica at Rochester Gm 3: 4/20 Rochester at Utica Gm 4: 4/22 Rochester at Utica Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester * Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica * Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester * Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs Gm 1: St John's 4 Moncton 2 Gm 2: 4/17 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax Gm 3: 4/21 St John's at Moncton Gm 4: 4/23 St John's at Moncton Gm 5: 4/26 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax * Gm 6: 4/28 St John's at Moncton * Gm 7: 4/30 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax * Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens Gm 1: Fredericton 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT) Gm 2: 4/16 Cape Breton at Fredericton Gm 3: 4/20 Fredericton at Cape Breton Gm 4: 4/22 Fredericton at Cape Breton Gm 5: 4/24 Cape Breton at Fredericton * Gm 6: 4/26 Fredericton at Cape Breton * Gm 7: 4/28 Cape Breton at Fredericton * ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 4963,12,"From: obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien) Subject: IBM-PC XT switch settings Organization: Horizon Research, Inc. Lines: 7 Distribution: world Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc28.hri.com I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions of the 2 8 position dip switches? - thankx Jim " 4964,7,"From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo Organization: Villanova University Lines: 14 >> 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more >>insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he >>didn't rent it from Alamo. >> >>Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? >Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. > >Joe > ================== Let me see, ""unless you have an accident, you won't need more"", hmmmmmmm. Bijan " 4965,16,"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 19 In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: > Sorry, guy, you got it wrong. ATF was pumping tear gas into the compound. > The Branch Davidians (going along with their apocolyptic faith) set their > own compound on fire killing all but 9 or so. No children survived. Seeing as how people are willing to quote the FBI quoting cultists who just yesterday were deranged and not to be trusted (hmm the FBI or the cultists...) I think I'll quote the BBC quoting (actually voice interview) one of the two British survivors. He claimed that the fire started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall/roof to collapse knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan. Maybe true, partly true, or false. -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** " 4966,1,"From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) Subject: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?)) Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu In article <30523@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee) writes: >The original posting complained (1) about SGI coming out with newer (and >better) architectures and not having an upgrade path from the older ones, >and (2) that DEC did. No. That's *not* what I was complaining about, nor did I intend to suggest that DEC was any better than SGI (let me tell you about the Lynx some day, but be prepared with a large sedative if you do...). My comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other vendors that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI. What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck. I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around for a while, rather than being flushed. Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of getting boned in the process. Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we aren't entitled to a ""peek under the covers"" as the Big Kids (NASA, for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis. The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years. And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars). Now you'll have to pardon me while I go off and hiss and fume in a corner somewhere and think dark, libelous thoughts. spl -- Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 ""My other car is a car, too."" - Bumper strip seen on I-805 " 4967,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr25.182253.1449@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > I don't know where you guys are from but in America >such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are >not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind >regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic >repressive ideals back to where you came from. Hey tough guy, freedom necessitates responsibility, and no freedom is absolute. BTW, to anyone who defends Arafat, read on: ""Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants, be they from the Soviet Union, Ethiopia or anywhere else....I give you my instructions to use violence against the immigrants. I willjail anyone who refuses to do this."" Yassir Arafat, Al-Muharar, 4/10/90 At least he's not racist! Just anti-Jewish Pete " 4968,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Zionism - racism Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500362:000:2842 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 25 05:27:00 1993 Lines: 76 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Zionism - racism Diaspora 'a cancer' ------------------- by Julian Kossoff and Lindsay Schusman in: Jewish Chronicle, London, 22. Dec. 1989 Leading Israeli author and cultural commentator, A.B. Yehoshua, launched a ferocious attack on diaspora Jewry at a Zionist Youth Council meeting in North London, last week. The diaspora, he claimed, ""was the cancer connected to the main tissue of the Jewish people"". He was scathing about its failure to act before the Holocaust. He said the diaspora's religious and secular leadership had ignored the warning signs in the 1920s, and had fiercely opposed Zionism. Consequently, he considered the Holocaust, ""the failure of Judaism"". His talk, entitled ""Diaspora: A Neurotic Solution"", covered 5,000 years of Jewish history. Mr. Yehoshua's other targets included Soviet Jews who were, he said ""not staying [in Israel], but running [away]"", and all Jews outside Israel ""who were using other people's countries like hotels"". The only conclusion he could draw was that the diaspora was immoral, because it looked to Israel for its identity but lived elsewhere. Worse, it threatened Israel itself, creating a distraction for her citizens, who were leaving by the thousands. Mr. Yehoshua, who described himself as ""a soldier for aliyah"", ended by calling for the creation of a new ""total Jew"", living in Israel. Earlier, speaking at a meeting of Jewish students on the difficulties of forging a national identity in Israeli literature, Mr. Yehoshua claimed that Israeli writers were paralyzed by the country's political situation. He said Israel's wars had once provided writers with a vital source of inspiration. Today, Israeli writers avoided writing directly about the Arab-Israeli conflict. No major work had been produced about the intifada. Instead, writers were tackling themes such as Jewish identity, emigration from Israel and personal and family issues. Mr. Yehoshua admitted he also felt unable to write about the Israeli political situation. He could no longer step into an Israeli Arab's shoes and portray him as a real ""flesh and blood character"". He claimed that after 40 years of statehood, the problem of Israeli identity had not been solved. He said Jews remained too pre-occupied with the borders of identity between Jew and non-Jew, and were not concerned with the nature of that identity. Jewish values in Israel embraced every aspect of daily life, unlike in the diaspora, where Jews had no responsibility for the country they lived in, he said. He warned that modern Hebrew, a unifying force for the Jewish people, would have to struggle for its future, especially in literary circles. It faced fierce competition from the English language. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 4969,3,"Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed From: oharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz Distribution: world Lines: 28 In article <9304172194@jester.GUN.de>, michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) writes: > Holly KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote: >> My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with >> another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right >> on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? > > The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. > > no jumper set: drive is alone > MA: drive is master > SL: drive is slave yo,yo,yo . the western digital hd will hve it marked either s,m,a put jumper on the s ""its printed on the circuitry underkneth it. hope i helped i had the same problem. bye.. later daze. oharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz > > Michael > -- > * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * > * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 4970,18,"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 137 In article rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: >julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: >>I suggest you >>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying >>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his >>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back. > >Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a >gun? If we had backed him strongly early on I doubt there would be the problem there is now. Many Russians became disillusioned with democracy and reforms when they felt, rightly IMO, that the West didn't care. Yeltsin was virtually promised massive aid (once Bush got over his Gorby-mania.) This probably kept him from dismantling the congress and calling for new elections. Well, the aid didn't come through and we didn't make sure it went to the proper places and now the anti-reformers are gaining strength where before they were in hiding. > >Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does >happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to >help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same >reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably >consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help >them. If they don't reform I don't believe in giving them money. However, I think this is too important to take a non-interventionist approach. This is what really bugs me about Libertarianism -- it sounds like 'it'll all be the same in a hundred years time. no need to do anything.' > > >>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if >>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something. >>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is >>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the >>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other >>democracies (or struggling democracies).) > >If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it >be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to >charity. Despite the wishes of Libertarians, this society is a far way, and getting farther, from being Libertarian. Perhaps voluntary gifts would work if we had the proper framework but we do not have it. We have to face the problem *now*, not in X years when we have a Libertarian dream society. Right now there are huge stumbling blocks to trade, let alone charity. There are still limitations to high-tech exports. NASA can't buy Proton launch vehicles from them. Sure, the market may be able to help a great deal but it can't right now. There are too many obstacles. Instead of fighting against the aid you should be fighting to tear down the obstacles the market and charities have to face. > >>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid. >>My two ""causes"" are aid to Russia and a strong space program. >>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies >>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a >>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we >>only have gridlock on a congressional scale. > >It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia, >expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor, >and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government >is more key than how democratic it is. Well, I think limited government is primarily democratic due to it being limited. But the main question is how do you transform a state-run economy and monolithic government into something that even remotely looks like ours? (BTW, sometimes it seems that our government is trying to go the opposite direction) It is not going to be painless and not going to be easy. We simply cannot wait to help when they *have* the 'proper' government. They'll never get there without the aid. It may be too late already. > >>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who >>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of >>thing I thought Libertarians were against. > >That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech. And I'm just excercising mine. > >>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue >>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems >>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and >>let it sink or swim. > >If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should >be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would >your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose >weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you >and your group for causes you don't support? As I also said above, another problem I have is with *transformation*. A Libertarian society is not going to happen painlessly or overnight. I have seen nothing about how to take our current government and society and turn it into a minimal government and a responsible self-sufficient populace. > >>We could do that 100 years ago but not now. > >People have been saying that for hundreds of years. They didn't have nuclear weapons 100 years ago. Nor instantaneous communications nor travel to virtually anyplace on the earth in less than a day. > >>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and >>global decision making. > >All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more >efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions >on complex issues. Yes, depend on the rulers of the free market and the businesses. Rulers do emerge *somewhere* and they will never represent the opinions of every person on the planet. There must be checks and balances. Checks on the government when it gets out of bounds and checks on industry when it gets out of bounds. Putting all your hopes on the benevolence of the market is, to me, just like putting all your hopes on the benevolence of government. > Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else " 4971,12,"From: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu (Pat Niemeyer) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA Lines: 11 Reply-To: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: fegmania.wustl.edu Originator: pat@fegmania >>> Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? >Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector >detectors. ;-) I have a Bel-966. I just looked at the manual yesterday... and it does indeed claim to be undetectable by RDD's. Pat " 4972,13,"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu | article <1qjc0fINN841@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes: || Now, if instead of using the MSG as a food additive, you put the MSG || in gelatin capsules or whatever, there may not || be a reaction, becasue the _sensory_response_ might be || a necessary element in the creation of the MSG reaction. (I'll bet || the bogus medical researchers never even thought about || that obvious fact.) | Gee. He means ""placebo effect."" Sorry, but the researchers DO know about | this. Carl, it is not ""placebo effect"" if as hypothesised the sensory response to MSG's effect on flavor is responsible for the MSG reaction. Steve " 4973,5,"From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung) Subject: need shading program example in X Organization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD) Distribution: na Lines: 9 Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. Appreciate the help. Howard. " 4974,8,"From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 36 cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: > In article MJMUISE@1302.wats > }I think the cops and ""Don't You Dare Drink & Drive"" (tm) commercials will > }usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you > }could very well be over the legal limit. > }Watch yourself. > > Indeed, especially if you are ""smart"" and eat some food with your > drink. The food coating the stomach lining (especially things like > milk) can temporarily retard the absorption of alcohol. When the > food is digested, the absorption will proceed, and you will > actually be drunker (i.e., have a higher instantaneous BAC) than > you would have been if you had drunk 1 drink/hr. on an empty stomach. > > Put another way, food can cause you to be less drunk than drinking on > an empty stomach early on in those five hours, but more drunk than > drinking on an empty stomach later in those five hours. > -- > Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 > DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George > ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom > in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson Again, from my alcohol server's class: The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption down by 15 minutes. That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning helmet & gloves, starting bike... -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 " 4975,8,"From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) Subject: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion Summary: Advice wanted for when I take someone on the back of the moto. Keywords: advice, pillion, help! Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Distribution: na Lines: 22 I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated... Thanks, -Bob- -- Bob Wert rmw@genie.gene.com rwert@well.sf.ca.us DoD#0302 AMA#510680 '90 Ninja 750R '89 Mustang 5.0LX ...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross, Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost... " 4976,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: need shading program example in X Organization: The Internet Lines: 20 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov # #Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? #I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. # #Appreciate the help. # I don't know if this might help, but I've just started playing with a program called POVRay (Persistance of Vision Raytracer) that also displays its output via X Windows. It does a fairly good job of allocating the colormap on my Psuedo-Color 8-plane display. I got the source from from a site in Canda. The person I retrieved them from was David Buck (dbuck@ccs.carleton.ca). Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 4977,3,"From: takaharu@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani) Subject: Re: DX3/99 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: microlab11.med.upenn.edu In article , iisakkil@lk-hp-22.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila) wrote: :Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its :486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become :available in any non-IBM machines. I saw in this months PC or PC World an ad for computers using IBM's 486SLC. So I don't think IBM is restricted in selling their chips, at least not anymore. A clock-tripled 486, even without coprocessor would be great, especially with 16k on-board cache. Make it 386 pin-compatible, and you have the chip upgrade that dreams are made of :-) Taka Mizutani takaharu@mail.sas.upenn.edu " 4978,13,"From: davallen@vms.macc.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center Distribution: world Lines: 88 In article <79738@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes... >This reminds me of the last Graham Kerr cooking show I saw. Today he >smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot! He used a strange technique >I'd never seen before. > >He took a big pot with lid, and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil. >The tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee-table ash tray, >made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges. > >In the tray, he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar, a similar >quantity of brown rice (he said any rice will do), the contents of two >teabags of Earl Grey tea, and a few cloves. > >On top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket-type steamer, with >two chicken breasts in it. The lid was put on, and the whole assembly >went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes. > >Later, he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts. What surprises >and concerns me are: > >1) No wood chips. Where does the smoke flavor come from? > >2) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember hearing that carmel color > (obtained by caramelizing sugar -- a common coloring and flavoring > agent) had been found to be carcinogenic. I believe they injected > it under the skin of rats, or something. If the results were conclusive, > caramel color would not be legal in the U.S., yet it is still being > used. Was the initial research result found to be incorrect, or what? > >3) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember Earl Grey tea being implicated > as carcinogenic, because it contains oil of bergamot (an extract > from the skin of a type of citrus fruit). Does anyone know whatever > happened with that story? If it were carcinogenic, Earl Grey tea > could not have it as an additive, yet it apparently continues to do > so. > >WRT natural wood smoke (I've smoking a duck right now, as it happens), >I've noticed that a heavily-smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy >taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently >stopped flowing. I find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips, >getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process, >then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips. > >My theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low-molecular weight >stuff, like terpenes, and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort >of larger molecule more similar to tar. The long barbeque time after >the initial intensive smoke drives off the low-molecular weight stuff, >just leaving the flavor behind. Does anyone know if my theory is correct? > >I also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping >on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic. For that reason, and because >it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess, I only grill >non-drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals. I do stuff like this >duck by indirect heat. I have a long rectangular Weber, and I put the coals >at one end and the meat at the other end. The fat drops directly on the >floor below the meat, and next time I use the barbeque I make the fire >in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals. > >And yet another reason I've heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that >smoked cured meat, like pork sausage and bacon, contains >nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. I'm pretty sure this claim actually >has some standing, don't know about the others. > >An amusing incident I recall was the Duncan Hines scandal, when it was >discovered that the people who make Duncan Hines cake mix were putting >a lot of ethylene dibromide (EDB) into the cake mix to suppress weevils. >This is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic. >The guy who represented the company in the press conference defended >himself by saying that the risk from eating Duncan Hines products every day >for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal- >broiled steaks. What a great analogy! When I first heard that, my >immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit! One charcoal >broiled steak would be equivalent to 0.5 Duncans! I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that ""it would not be legal in the U.S."". I think that naturally occuring substances (excluding ""controlled"" substances) are pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food, food additives or other ""consumption"". It's only when the chemists concoct (sp?) an ingredient that it falls under FDA regulations. Otherwise, if they really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything. How in the world do you suppose it's legal to ""consume"" tobacco products (which probably SHOULD be banned)? Dave Allen Space Science & Engr. Ctr. UW-Madison " 4979,2,"From: miyoshi@psych.toronto.edu (Hiroto Miyoshi) Subject: Qestion about amipro demo files on cica Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Distribution: na Lines: 18 Hello I have a question about the demo files for amipro v3 uploaded in cica. I downloaded it and tryied to install it. However, it didn't work. In addition, it altered or eliminated my NWRES2.dll file so that I had to reinstall my Norton Desktop again. Is there anything I have to know to install it or do I eventually have to ask Lotus to send a working model to me (I heard that they have it)? I just want to see its look and feel before buying it. Any pointer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Hiroto miyoshi@psych.toronto.edu " 4980,4,"From: eer@world.std.com (Eugene E Rosen) Subject: Centris 610/tms 120 drive Article-I.D.: world.C5Jq8A.3I9 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 14 I recently purchased a Centris 610 and am having difficulty getting my computer to recognize my hard disk drive (external) Using both the disk uitily of TMS (Diskwriter) and Jasmine's software, neither one will show the drive. The drive is the only device connected to the scuzzi port. I cant find the manual to the tms pro 120 and seem to remember that it is ""terminated"". Is there something else that I am doing (or not doing) that does not allow my 610 to recognize my external disk drive?. thanks in advance for the information. -- Eugene E. Rosen GENIE: erosen 22 Riverside Road COMPUSERVE:74066,3444 Sandy Hook, Ct. 06482-1213 AOL: Gene Rosen " 4981,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Placebo effects Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu Summary: Yes, researcher bias is a great problem. -*----- In article <735157066.AA00449@calcom.socal.com> Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) writes: > Is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a > medicine that he/she sees improvement where the is none or sees > more improvement than there is? If so, what is this effect > called? Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor > doesn't believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than > there is? What would this effect be called? Have these effects > ever been studied? How common are these effects? Thank you in > advance for all replies. These effects are a very real concern in conducting studies of new treatments. Researchers try to limit this kind of effect by performing studies that are ""blind"" in various ways. Some of these are: o The subjects of the study do not know whether they receive a placebo or the test treatment, i.e., whether they are in the control group or the test group. o Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects receive a placebo or the test treatment. o Those evaluating individual results do not know which subjects receive a placebo or the test treatment. Obviously, at the point at which the data is analyzed, one has to differentiate the test group from the control group. But the analysis is quasi-public: the researcher describes it and presents the data on which it is based so that others can verify it. It is worth noting that in biological studies where the subjects are animals, such as mice, there were many cases of skewed results because those who performed the study did not ""blind"" themselves. It is not considered so important to make mice more ignorant than they already are, though it is important that in all respects except the one tested, the control and test groups are treated alike. Russell " 4982,9,"From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) Subject: Alomar vs. Baerga - I was hoping to stay out of this. Organization: Julio Lundy Candlelight Vigil Society Distribution: na Lines: 37 (Lyford ""Frosty"" Beverage) writes: |> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter |> last year. |> |> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E |> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 |> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 |> >This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last >year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga >had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage >for Alomar is OBP. Well, OBP is the most important offensive statistic, and by a big margin. 50 points of OBP is worth considerably more than 50 points of slugging. That being said, I still think Baerga was VERY SLIGHTLY better last year, but I think this is as close to a wash as you're likely to find. I personally don't care much for Alomar's defense. I don't think he's nearly as good as people make him out to be, and he can't turn the DP to save his life. He comes across the bag improperly, and his release is slow. Considering the high leverage of the DP, this is a shortcoming I can't overlook. In the long term, I'd move Alomar to another position. If the Jays could trade a hot Devon White for something, I'll be Alomar could be a hell of a CF. In the long run, I think I'd rather have Jeff Kent at 2B and Alomar in CF than Alomar/White. -- * Gary Huckabay * ""You think that's loud enough, a$$hole?"" * * ""Movie Rights * ""Well, if you're having trouble hearing it, sir, * * available thru * I'd be happy to turn it up for you. I didn't * * Ted Frank."" * know that many people your age liked King's X."" * " 4983,5,"From: mwchiu@tigr.org (Man-Wai Chiu) Subject: Xm1.2.1 and OW server Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 43 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu We have a program written with X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1. It runs fine on the Sun X11R5 server and MacX. When that program is run under the Sparc 2 and the OW server, the program crashed itself along with the server. It crashed before the first window had showed up. I got the following error from X. XIO: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server ""perot:0.0"" after 62 requests (59 known processed) with 0 events remaining. The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient. I have run the program with xmon and below is the last twenty lines or so from xmon before both the program and server crashed. ............REQUEST: GetProperty delete: False window: WIN 00900001 property: ATM 00000074 type: ATM 00000074 long-offset: 00000000 ..............REPLY: GetProperty format: 00 type: bytes-after: 00000000 ............REQUEST: GetInputFocus ..............REPLY: GetInputFocus revert-to: Parent focus: WIN 0040000d ............REQUEST: ChangeProperty mode: Replace window: WIN 00900001 property: ATM 00000074 type: ATM 00000074 format: 08 data: 42 00 00 01 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 75 00 00 00 00 ............REQUEST: GetInputFocus Please email to me if you have any idea of the above problem. Thanks in advance. -- MW Chiu mwchiu@tigr.org " 4984,6,"From: bigjoe@netcom.com (g perry) Subject: 1956 Elvis autograph A friend requested that I post the following: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: World Lines: 9 "" For sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the othere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the spring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident when Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville. Request offers. Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)"" " 4985,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 26 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: > >> In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the resurrection is >> ""Pa^ques""--this is etymologically related to Pesach (Passover) and the >> pascal lamb. So is the French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration >> better because it uses the right name? > >I was at my parents' Seder and noticed the labelling on one of the >packages was English, Hebrew and French. In the phrase ""kosher for >passover"" the French word used was ""Pa^ques."" We've deliberately >mistranslated this at the Kulikauskas home and keep referring to foods >being kosher for Easter. :-) however, the word ""pa^ques"" in french _is_ the word for easter. ask any francophone, whether from quebec or from paris. besides, haven't you heard of the phrase ""the paschal lamb"" (meaning jesus)? sorry to nitpick on the more trivial part of this thread.... :) vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? " 4986,16,"From: brant@seq.uncwil.edu (AT-Dreamer) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington Distribution: na Lines: 10 Anyone who worries about his own gun should not have one. If you carry any pistol with a empty chamber and safety the chances of it going off are about zero. Unless you sit it on top of a lite stove for a couple of minutes or put it in a fire. :-) -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""What doesn't kill us makes us stronger"" Spoken by many A.T. hikers | | Kilo Delta Four Zulu Papa Uniform -KD4ZPU 146.82 +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 4987,5,"From: mleisher@nmsu.edu (Mark Leisher) Subject: CRL Archive Change Announcement Organization: Computing Research Lab Lines: 46 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pylos.nmsu.edu X-Md4-Signature: 6a869a6491f9d34c90b1e79dcbce325b The multi-lingual archives at The Computing Research Labs, New Mexico State University will be moving to a new ftp address soon. The archives are being put under control of the Consortium for Lexical Research. The new ftp address will be: clr.nmsu.edu (the current IP address is 128.123.1.12 but may change, so use clr.nmsu.edu whenever possible). Please note that there is a difference between ftp sites crl.nmsu.edu and clr.nmsu.edu. The crl.nmsu.edu site will be our ftp site for items not related to the Consortium for Lexical Research. The Arabic, Chinese, French, Italian, Indian, Japanese, Korean, Tibetan, and Vietnamese archives will all be moved. We will announce the new locations of the relevant directories once the archives have been moved. Please be patient if you discover directories missing when you ftp to either crl.nmsu.edu or clr.nmsu.edu. It will take a few days to move everything. If you are not familiar with our multi-lingual archives, we have been slowly collecting various software, fonts, and text for different languages over the past 2 years. Most of the software is currently Unix oriented. We would also like to encourage people to continue to contribute items to the archives to help improve the quality and quantity of multi-lingual tools. If you have an item to contribute, please put it in: clr.nmsu.edu:incoming/ and send a note to lexical@nmsu.edu telling them about your contribution. If you have any questions or comments, please send them to: lexical@nmsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- mleisher@nmsu.edu Mark Leisher Computing Research Lab ""Elegance is not optional!"" New Mexico State University -- Attributed to Richard O'Keefe Box 3CRL, Las Cruces, NM 88003 " 4988,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 23 L(> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes: L(> John Badanes wrote: L(> |JB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be ""proper channels""... L(> L(> | I'm glad it caught your eye. That's the purpose of this forum to L(> | educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase L(> | is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who L(> | otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be L(> | consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing. L(> L(> An apt description of the content of just about all Ron Roth's L(> posts to date. At least there's entertainment value (though it L(> is diminishing). Well, that's easy for *YOU* to say. All *YOU* have to do is sit back, soak it all in, try it out on your patients, and then brag to all your colleagues about that incredibly success rate you're having all of a sudden... --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: For real sponge cake, borrow all ingredients. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 4989,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Gaza and separation from Israel Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500357:000:3740 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 07:06:00 1993 Lines: 73 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Gaza and separation from Israel Gaza and the idea of separation The Israeli Left's inability to cope with the challenges it is presented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when the reality does not line up with the expectations of the left. We were able to see this clearly during the Gulf War. Because of the Palestinian's popular solidarity with Iraq, Yossi Sarid - currently Minister of the Environment - made his infamous statement: ""You look for me !"", i.e., I'am not making any more efforts to speak with you. From Yossi Sarid's point of view, Palestinian reality during the Gulf War was not the lengthy curfew or the danger of hunger it brought with it, but whether or not the Palestinians accepted what was acceptable to the party. Similarly MERETZ, MK Deddi Tzuker, recently faced with criticism from residents of the West Bank town of Beit Sahour over his government's and his party's lack of action for human rights and peace, responded by asking those present at the discussion whether they would rather have a Likud government. From the Leftists' perspective this is the best government because it is THEIR government, regardless of what it does. These members of the Israeli Left have already decided how the future of the Occupied Territories will look, and they want to dictate to the Palestinians how to get there. An essential step towards this future is their participation in Yitzhak Rabin's government, and from their point of view the expulsions were a marginal byproduct of this ""government of peace"", which need not disturb the routine course of events. Likewise the ""Rabinic"" policies in Gaza - the blowing up of houses with anti-tank rockets and the significant increases in the number of persons injured in the suppression of demonstrations - need not disturb it. But the fact that reality is not as they would have it forces itself upon them when a mob in Gaza falls upon a settler who has lost his way, when a settler is stabbed by his Palestinian workers, or when a Palestinian knifes people in the streets of Tel Aviv. Then all hell breaks loose and the Israeli Left has nothing to propose except separation: Let's cut ourselves off from the Palestinians, let's build a fence so high that they won't be able to harm us - this is the cry of the Israeli Left. Let us erect a fence between us and the reality whith is the occupation. Meron Benvenisti writes about this in Ha'aretz (4-3-93): ""...The liberal Left. which does not differentiate between physical separation and 'the future of the territories', must come to understand that the regime of magnetic cards, exclusion of Arab workers, closure, and curfew are instruments of enforcement designed for the suppression of a population in revolt, and that their ideological support for separation only provides 'humanitarian' arguments for the legitimization of the . Enforced separation is carried out only to meet the need of the ruling community, but it is only the ruled population which bears its burden. [.....]. ""Whoover thinks that 'out of Gaza first' is a liberal, humanitarian idea had best contemplate the question of whether this position is also moral. It is very easy to shake off responsibility for this concentration of human suffering, and to thus also disregard responsibility for it's creation. It is very easy to erect a fence between Jewish and Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem, when this fence has a gate - the keys to which are at the disposal of one hand - which opens to allow the Jews to pursue all their interests, but is barred to the Arabs..."". ------------------------------------------------------ >From The OTHER Front, Jerusalem, 10 March 1993 " 4990,15,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception? Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 111 Note: I am cross-posting (actually, emailing) this to bit.listserv.catholic while main posting goes to soc.religion.christian. [Quotations omitted. This is in response to a question about the Immaculate Conception. I explained it, but left justification up to our Catholic readers. --clh] There is no direct reference in the Holy Scripture except for the mention of Mary's _blessedness_/full of grace in the ""Annunciation"" by Angel Gabriel in Luke 1:26-28 And in the 6th month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth. To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel came unto her and said, _""Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.""_ Now, now, hold that line of thought - ""the Lord is with Mary & blessed art thou among women"" - while you read on.... In the book, ""First Lady of the World, A Popular History of Devotion to Mary"" by Peter Lappin: The _Immaculate Conception_ matter is really far more complicated than the _Assumption_. This arose in 430 AD. It is quite possible that the feast of _Mary's Conception_ under the title ""The Conception of Saint Anne"", originally commemorated the _physical miracle_ of a woman _beyond the age_ of child bearing, conceiving a daughter, just as Elizabeth had conceived John the Baptist. A transfer in emphasis from the physical miracle wrought in Anne to the miracle of grace wrought by God in the soul of Mary was _logical_. Mary is the incorruptible timber ""out of which was hewn the _tabernacle_ of Christ's sinless body""; she is ""God's Eden, in whom there is no tree of knowledge, and no serpent that harms."" Her perfect beauty and spotlessness find their exemplar in Christ, her purity in that of the Father. At the time of the Council of Ephesus, she was hailed as ""innocent, without blemish, immaculate, inviolate, spotless, holy in soul and body, who was blessed as a lily from among thorns, unlearned in the evil ways of Eve"". ... At the end of the thirteenth century, an Irish Franciscan, John Duns Scotus (1266-1308),...God maintained that it was a greater thing for Him to preserve His (the Son) mother from all sin _than to use His power to clease her from it later_. ... Now let's go to the discussion of baptism and original sin. From ""Pocket Catholic Cathechism"" by John A. Hardon: Baptism - Concupiscence Remains after Baptism. Concupiscence or the tendency to sin remains in the baptized but since it is left to provide trial, it has no power to injure those who do not consent and who by the grace of Christ Jesus, manfully resist (Canon 5). Original gifts of Adam and Eve before their fall: In the light of the foregoing, we see that our first parents were originally gifted three times over: -They had the natural gifts of human beings especially the power to think and to choose freely. -The had the _preternatural_ gifts of bodily immortality and of integrity, or the internal power to control desires. -They had the _supernatural_ gifts of sanctifying grace, the virtues of faith, hope, and charity and the corresponding title to enter heaven. By their disobedience, they lost the _supernatural and preternatural_ gifts entirely, and were weakened (without losing) their natural capacity to reason and to choose freely. Baptism restores the _supernatural_ life lost by Adam's sin. It _does not_ restore the _preternatural_ gifts but gifts as a title to a glorified restoration of our bodies on the last day... Going back to _Immaculate Conception_ (I am not sure if this interpretation is in any other books but it may be another contribution to the 'puzzle'): Given the miracle of St. Anne bearing a child at a non-childbearing age, AND Christ was not yet born AND _there was no baptism yet_ on Mary's birth but STILL, the Angel Gabriel's greetings was: ""Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed art thou amongst women"". Even Mary was confused about this greeting. Mary could very well have possessed all of the _treefold original gifts above_ given to our first parents (Adam and Eve before their sin): Hail Mary (Example of praise given by the Angel Gabriel) Full of grace (natural, preternatural, supernatural) The Lord is with you (At those times, God would definitely want to be with those He has made _blessed_) Blessed art thou amongst women (that says it all) At the conception, God made Mary _full of grace and blessed_ as the 'tabernacle' for the coming body of Christ and so, Immaculate Conception of Mary is true and Mary still has maintained her Immaculate Heart. -Marida (P.S. I do hope that others will continue more light and facts on this matter. Thanks.) " 4991,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca> slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes: >If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of >serial devices I can use? How many NuBus slots do you have? Applied Engineering has something called the QuadraLink, which is a card with 4 serial ports that you get at through the comms toolbox (in addition to the built-in ones) It also comes with software for fooling applications to open an AE port when they think they open a built-in port. They also have a more expensive card with DMA (better performance) and I _think_ they, or someone else, have a card that handles 8 ports simultaneously. As I said, with NuBus, you're green. Learn how to use the Comms Resource Manager to get at the various installed cards. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- ""You NEVER hide the menu bar. You might go about and change the color of it to the color of the BACKGROUND, but you never HIDE the menu bar."" -- Tog " 4992,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: :Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms :'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that :there are actually *few* cases where this is so. You ""think"" wrong. Ask the FBI. They've got the proof. Look it up. :The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary :opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who :would argue with you about a parking space, those who would :take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. You lie like a snake. The ""vast majority"" of the 200 MILLION firearms in this country are never used in anger. Your feelings notwithstanding. :Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. :In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. :No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, :than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. We will overcome the kind of blind, pig-headed, utterly stupid idiocy that you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas. We will make the truth be known, despite your best efforts to the contrary. :The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. The Second Amendment won't be dead unless it is repealed. That won't happen. EVER. Accept this. Find another way to try and control other's lives, because we see you for what you are, and we are not fooled. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 4993,16,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com >True, Congress has said that possesion of an unlicensed automatic >weapon is a violation of the law. Congress did not, however, say >that such possesion was a capital offense or a transgression worth >getting four good government agents killed and 16 others wounded. Even if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant, but a search warrant. In other words, there was no evidence of illegal arms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to search for illegal evidence. Question: As in the Rodney King case, will the US DOJ institute criminal civil rights proceedings against the BATF? Or at least an investigation? OK, sorry I asked. " 4994,2,"From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: >Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and >Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a >real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench results are pretty much inflated. When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off you.. 9-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! 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Where can I get it Article-I.D.: crash.1993Apr05.152921.24454 Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA Lines: 6 Where can I get the Winmarks benchmark to run on my PC? via ftp would be best. -Roger -------------------------------------------------------------- bix: ruzun NET: uzun@crash.cts.com " 4997,12,"From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 36 g92m3062@alpha.ru.ac.za (Brad Meier) writes: > Hi, I'm looking for a circuit, that is called a ""Jacob's Ladder"". > This little box is usually seen in sci-fi movies. It consists of > two curves of wire protruding into the air, with little blue sparks > starting at their base (where the two wires are closer to each other), > moving up the wires to the top, and ending in a small crackling noise. > > Could anyone supply me with the schematic for the innards of this box? > > Thanks in advance > Mike > > (Please reply by email to g90k3853@alpha.ru.ac.za) > > -- > | / | | ~|~ /~~\ | | ~|~ /~~\ |~~\ /~~\ The KnightOrc > |/ |\ | | | __ |__| | | | |__/ | g92m3062@hippo.ru.ac.za > |\ | \| | | | | | | | | | | | ""When it's over I'll go home, > | \ | | _|_ \__/ | | | \__/ | | \__/ until then, I stay!"" - Me I'd like any accumulated information on this as well please. Thanks. _________________________________________ _____ | | | | | =========== | Baden de Bari | | o o | | | | ^ | | baden@sys6626.bison.ca | | {-} | | baden@inqmind.bison.ca | \_____/ | | ----------------------------------------- " 4998,5,"From: montnaro@spyder.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro) Subject: Re: Circular Motif Widgets In-Reply-To: dev@hollywood.acsc.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 17:16:02 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: spyder.crd.ge.com Reply-To: montanaro@ausable.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro) Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY Lines: 17 If you're willing to do a little work, you can make DrawnButtons do what you want, more-or-less. One of my colleagues here at GE CRD has done just that in our internal LYMB system. We have a matrix transform class that makes it easy to compute a series of dial positions from a single set of vectors. Each set of vectors is then drawn into a pixmap. Clicking the button advances the knob's state and changes to the next pixmap in the sequence. Using DrawnButtons obviously still constrains you to taking up a rectangular portion of the parent widget, but that's normally not a big shortcoming. You can make things look circular enough. -- Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com) ""Why can't X be this easy?"" -- me, after learning about dlopen() " 4999,15,"From: psb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jr Phillip S Buckland) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 168 [DISCLAIMER: Throughout this post, there are statements and questions which could easily be interpreted as being sarcastic. They are not. I have written this reply in the most even-handed manner that I can, with no emotions boiling to the surface as it was written. Please accept this as a serious attempt to foster dialog and rest assurred that I make every attempt to make fun of no one, except myself ;-)] gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: >Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame >start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. [...] >1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced >mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to >explain the unexplainable. [...] Hmmm. There are other animals on this planet with advanced mental facilities which have not developed ""religion"" as a satisfactory explaination for the unexplained. Why is this so? Further, it appears that only humans have a ""need"" to explain the unexplained. Why is this so? The other animals on this planet, including those with advanced mental facilities, seem perfectly content in their ignorance. I'd like to point out that your presuppositions scream out at me from your unsupported statement. They are: 1) humans are animal *only*; 2) religion exists as a crutch so that the unexplained need not be researched; 3) religion was ""made up"" by humans to address a perceived need; 4) the biological aspect of humans is deified (that is, all aspects of human life can be categorized in a hierarchical structure with biology at the apex). Needless to say, I disagree with your strong opinion #1 and the underlying presuppositions. >Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are >because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life >a safety blanked to hide behind. ""Oh wow..all i have to do is >follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."" >For all of you ""found jeezus"" , how many of you were ""on the brink?"" I disagree that Christianity is ""an infectious cult"". It has certainly shown itself to be persistent as a belief system, in spite of various persecutions throughout the past two millenia. That it continues to persevere does not demonstrate that it is ""infectious"" in a derrogatory sense; it may be that it provides a workable system for its adherents (and I would argue that this is the case). I disagree that Christianity is ""a safety blanket"" which supplants hope and purpose. Rather, it points an individual to the one Source of hope and purpose. There is nothing hidden about a Christian's source for hope and purpose. Of what usefulness to you is the distinction between internally motivated hope and purpose and externally given hope and purpose? Is the (apparent) loss of control over one's own life the problem or is it something else? Finally, one does not appropriate ""eternal happiness"" by following Christian moral standards. Indeed, the sole reason for the existance of Christianity is *because* standards are inadequate to save people from their imperfections. Moral standards are merely guides to the Christian; the real power to moral living is given to the Christian in the Person of God's Spirit. Heaven is one of two final states that Christian doctrine postulates. However, Christians are generally not motivated to live according to Christian moral standards by this promised future reward; rather, they are motivated by the perceived benefits to them in the here-and-now. >but i digress... The other reason christianity flourishes is its >infectious nature. A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian >group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which >basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word. Many Christian organizations are concerned with evangelism as a priority, and rightly so (for it was Jesus Himself who gave this as a priority for His followers). However, it is not the penultimate priority as evangelism is normally understood (i.e. preach the word, convert at nearly any cost, repeat with new convert ad infinitum). Rather, such evangelism is generally best done through respecting the opinions of others while *demonstrating* the very real benefits of a Christian lifestyle. This demonstration should be so powerful that it compels the non-Christian to seek out the Christian to ask ""Why?"" Needless to say, such a demonstration is not easily accom- plished (it takes a radical committment to the person of Jesus), it does not happen quickly (so perseverance on the part of the Christian is required), and it cannot occur where no personal bonds of friendship exist (it is ineffective with strangers who cannot evaluate the demonstration over time, and it is easy to alienate or harm others if the sole purpose of being a ""friend"" is to gain a conversion). As a long-time Christian (nearly 20 years), I view with some skep- ticism *all* evangelism programs which incorporate a ""hurry-up"" attitude. Pressured conversions may ultimately be worse than no conversion at all (because the pressured convert realizes s/he was coerced and disavows Christianity when they would have been open to it in the future had they not been taken advantage of now). The Bible states that it is the very Spirit of God which brings conviction of wrong-doing to people. I am content to do my part (witness) and let the Spirit do the rest. >We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we >die. We are far more than animals. We sleep, eat, reproduce, and die just as other animals do - true. But, we are also capable of more than this. If your personal vision of humanity (or of yourself) is so limited, I can only hope and pray ;-) that you will someday find a more expansive view. (For reflection, what animals have the wide variety of performing arts that humans do? How is it that humans can learn the language of other humans (or animals) but that other animals cannot do so? How is it that humans can organize themselves in various social structures whereas other animals have only one structure?) >Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. Blatant assertion. Christianity is not physically addictive. Christianity is not psychologically addictive. Christianity is not a *thing* which one snorts/ingests/shoots-up; it is a relationship with a living being. You might as validly characterize any close- knit relationship with this appelation. >Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject >themselves with jeezus and live with that high. There are ""Jesus freaks"" who let the emotional aspects of worship and Christian living gain (and retain) the upper hand. Even so, this does not by itself invalidate the foundation from which these things flow. >It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious >wars, of which Christianity has had no small part. Guilty by association? That ""christianity"" which forces itself upon another is not Christianity at all. >When Christians see a ""non-believer"", they say that person is blind >to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live >with this mask of fakeness each day. Jesus was just prophet #37696 >who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans >were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities >needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time >of dire need. You appear to have an amazing certainty about what really happened 2000 years ago. How did you come by it? I cannot accept your conclusion that Jesus' influence was a sole result of the Roman sack of Jerusalem in 70AD. He was 30+ years gone by this time. It strains the bounds of credulity to assert that nothing about Jesus' life was noteworthy _until_ the sack. >I must go. These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity. Christianity is having a relationship with Jesus Christ Himself. What do you know of Him? We read the world wrong | Phil Buckland and say that it deceives us. | psb@eece.ksu.edu Tagore, from Stray Birds | psb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu " 5000,14,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <1psgs1$so4@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >| >|The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using >|them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other >|hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance >|to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base >|can't do. >| > >What do you mean? Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh joints? > >You'll have to enlighten us in the hinterlands. No, they fold on the dotted line. Look at pictures of carriers with loads of a/c on the deck, wings all neatly folded. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |God gave us weather so we wouldn't complain pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |about other things. PADI DM-54909 | " 5001,3,"From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: A: DRIVE WON'T BOOT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! I recently switched my 3.5"" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:. I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot Order A:,C:. Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work. When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens: 1) Power-on and Memory Test; 2) A: light comes on 3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep; 4) HD light comes on for an instant; 5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del. Any suggestions. Thanks in advance. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu " 5002,7,"From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta) Subject: Honda Accord Brake Problem Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem I am experiencing is with my brakes. They still stop the car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself. If feels really strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of these days. I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil). I called my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder, which will cost me a whopping $250-300. I was just wondering if anyone out there has experienced this sort of thing. If so, is my mechanic being honest? Or do I simply need to have my brakes bled and new fluid put in? Any help you could provide would be appreciated. Please send replies directly to me, as I rarely have a chance to read this list. I will post the responses if there is any interest. Thanks, Joni ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu " 5003,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Just what is in the Jobs/Pork bill? Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Distribution: usa Lines: 26 This was in Wed. WSJ. [start] The white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded news outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that certain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't passed. None of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are part of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in Community Development Block Grants. ... [end] I could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving about how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this wish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that same list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to do the honarable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 5004,6,"From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? Lines: 34 Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma. Distribution: usa --In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU>, thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes: In article you write: >[stuff deleted] > >My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for ^^^^^^^^^^ >[MORE stuff deleted] >TEd >>It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to >>use the net to directly advertise their products. >>In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list >>used for generating junk mail. >>Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be >>done to penalize such an improper use? >>Dale Thompson Well, Dale, I'd say offhand ""Keel-hauling"" would work pretty well...we haven't had a good ""keel-hauling"" in a long time... (Sorry, it came up in a conversation yesterday and, well, I just love that phrase...) Or maybe just ask for folks to flood the guys mailbox with the FAQ for net-etiquitte...sort of poetic justice for all the junk mail he was trying to generate anyway... Tom T ********************************************************************** * Tom Testagrossa - E-MAIL: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com * * US-mail: 132 Clarendon St Apt #2 * * Fitchburg, Ma 01420 U.S.A. * * Phone: Work (508)493-0437 (Voicemail)* * Home (508)342-2362 * * Ask me about my guitars... * *********************************************************************** " 5005,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 70 [In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's ""Master of Reality"". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early '70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] AFTER FOREVER Have you ever thought about your soul-- can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in you grave. Is God just a thought within you read in a book when you were at school? When you think about death Do you lose your breath Or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? Do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light and I've changed my ways. And I'll be prepared When you're lonely and scared at the end of your days. Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believed in God above? They should realize before they criticise That God is the only way to love. Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run? Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun? I think it was true -it was people like you that crucified Christ. I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced. Will you be so sure when your day is near to say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down now you can't retrieve. Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead & gone Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one. The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate. Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late. LORD OF THIS WORLD You're searching for your mind don't know where to start. Can't find the key to fit the lock on your heart. You think you know but you are never quite sure Your soul is ill but you will not find a cure. Your world was made for you by someone above But you choose evil ways instead of love. You made me master of the world where you exist The soul I took from you was not even missed. Lord of the world, Evil Possessor, Lord of this world, He's now your confessor! You think you're innocent -you've nothing to fear You don't know me, you say, but isn't it clear? You turned to me in all your worldly greed and pride. But will you turn to me when it your turn to die? " 5006,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <33759@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes: >In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: >> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the >>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be >>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel >>some acceleration. Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty >>low maintenance costs. A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car >>that is all show and not much go. Even though many of the imports are fast, I >>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four >>clyinder. I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine. If you have any suggestions, >>Kevin Parker > > There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled: > > 5.0 LITER MUSTANG not! sorry, he said cvility, long trips, reliability, and low maintenance cost! " 5007,17,"From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil) Subject: Re: Israel does not kill reporters. Lines: 26 > > Anas Omran has claimed that, ""the Israelis used to arrest, and >sometime to kill some of these neutral reporters."" The assertion >by Anas Omran is, of course, a total fabrication. If there is an >once of truth iin it, I'm sure Anas Omran can document such a sad >and despicable event. Otherwise we may assume that it is another >piece of anti-Israel bullshit posted by someone whose family does >not know how to teach their children to tell the truth. If Omran >would care to retract this 'error' I would be glad to retract the >accusation that he is a liar. If he can document such a claim, I >would again be glad to apologize for calling him a liar. Failing >to do either of these would certainly show what a liar he is. Why retract your accusation that he's a liar? If Omran retracts his ""verbal diarrohea"" doesn't that only prove the liar he *really* is? A retraction would be pointless! Giving this guy the opportunity to ""save face"" after uttering such bullshit would just encourage him to do it again! I must say that your style is very impressive, Mark. Keep it up! - Mike --- MI KE MIK EMIK EMI K ""Opinions expressed above M I K E M I K E M are my own and not that M I K E MIKEM I KEM I K of 'Big Blue'"" M I K E M IKE M IKE MIKE " 5008,9,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 10 In <1993Apr15.214133.3371@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: [...] >BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB Shouldn't this read ""Braves Hitters are at the AAA Club?"" -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 5009,16,"From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck) Subject: WI and IL firearms law Questions Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13 A couple of questions for you firearms law experts out there: Question #1 According to the NRA/ILA state firearms lawbook, in Wisconsin it is 'unlawful for any person except a peace officer to go armed* with a ""concealed and dangerous weapon."" There is no statutory provision for obtaining a lixense or permit to carry a concealed weapon.' * Jury instructions indicate that 'to go armed' one must have a firearm on one's person or within his immediate control and available for use. Does this mean that open carry is allowed? If so, just how 'open' does it have to be? Would an in the pants holster be considered concealing? What if one had their jacket on and it partially covered the weapon? Also, is there any way to be allowed to carry concealed, or is it just not allowed, period? Question #2 As I understand it, in Evanston, IL, they have a ordinance banning handguns. Is there any way to get around this provision? What would the penalty if you were found out be? What if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting in your apartment there? How would the city law apply to your impending trial for the shooting? Also, what is IL state law concerning short barreled weapons? Short barreled shotgun is what I would be interested in if a handgun were not available, either that or a shortened 9mm carbine (ie Colt, Marlin). One more thing, what is the chance of getting a CCW permit in IL without being rich or famous or related to the mayor? Please send replies via E-Mail, as things seem to be piling up around t.p.g a little faster than I can handle. Thanks again ------- Steve Syck syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu -------- " 5010,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu ""Paul Hager"" writes: >>The 2nd Amendment does say ""keep and bear."" If ""bear"" is defined to >>mean ""carry,"" then most people are physically unable to carry a several >>hundred pound nuclear device. >As I understand it, sub-kiloton nuclear demolitions are man-portable >and carried in a backpack. As I recall, in the 60's the Kennedy Administration had sub-kiloton nuclear weapons withdrawn from Europe and destroyed. They were man- portable and made for use in shoulder-mount rocket launchers. The smallest nuclear test I've seen data for was a .1 (yes, one-tenth) kiloton weapon tested either in the late 40's or early 50's. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 5011,18,"From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: Motor Voter Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 12 >kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >> When I entered 1st grade, Eisenhower was President and John F. Kennedy >> was just a relatively obscure Senator from New England. So how old do >> you think I am now? And we all hope, Teddy, that you will graduate from the first grade while Clinton is President. Keep trying. -- Disclaimer: :remialcsiD " 5012,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 18 In article <2071@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >What I find so hard to understand is how come some people, apparantly >NOT connected with government or otherwise privileged, will >go to great lengths, redefinitions, re-interpretations, in a full-bore >attempt to THROW AWAY THE PROTECTION OF THEIR OWN RIGHTS under the >Constitution!!! >Almost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming >year... >I really wonder that Jefferson and Madison would say to these folks? They'd probably quote Montesque (sp?) who was once asked if Russia was likely to become a democracy any time soon: ""No, because Russia is a nation of slaves and the people get what they deserve."" Since he said that, Russia has changed a great deal. But so, unfortunately have other nations. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 5013,10,"From: Young-Soo Che Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1800@muller.loria.fr> All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play captain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see for yourselves. " 5014,0,"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 60 In cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes: >Various quotes deleted in the interest of saving a little bit of >bandwidth, but i will copy the Koran quote: >>>>""AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE >>>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES) >>>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE."" (Holy Quran 21:33) >As it has been pointed out, this quote makes no claim about what >orbits what. The idea that something orbited something had been held >as true for many years before the Koran was written, so the fact that >it says something orbits something is hardly surprising insight. My >concern is with the word ""rounded"". >There are two interpretations of this word: >1. It means in a circle. This is wrong, although many believed it to >be true at the time the Koran was written. In other words, it is not >describing our neighborhood of the universe as it really exists, but >as it was thought to be at the time. This has implications which i >hope are obvious to everyone. >2. It means ""in a rounded shape"", which could include elipses (the >geometrical form which most nearly describes the orbits of the >planets). This is also not a great insight. Look at the shapes you >see in nature. Very few of them even approach a square or rectangle; >those are human-created shapes. Everything in nature is rounded to >some degree. Even the flat-earthers don't try to claim Earth is a >rectangle. Children who draw imaginary animals seldom give them >rectangular bodies. We seem to instinctively recognize that nature >produces rounded shapes; hence, the assumption that the orbits of the >planets would be round hardly takes divine inspiration. It is good to remember that every translation is to some extent an interpretation, so (as you point out below) one must really go back to the original Arabic. Regarding the verses relevant to nature, I prefer to use Dr. Maurice Bucaille's translations (in his book, ""The Bible, the Qur'an and Science"") for in general his translations are more literal. Maurice Bucaille translates the portion of the verse you are addressing as ""...Each one is travelling with an orbit in its own motion."" (Also note that ""the celestial bodies"" in the first translation quoted by you above is the translator's interpolation -- it is not existent in the original Arabic, which is why it is included in brackets.) >Perhaps someone who can read the original Arabic can eliminate one of >these interpretations; at any rate, neither one of them is exactly >impressive. You're right, what the verses _do_ contain isn't all that remarkable. However, Dr. Bucaille (a surgeon, that's how he's a ""Dr."") thinks it is significant that the above verse contains no geocentric ideas, even though geocentrism was all the rage up until the 17th century (?) or so. (And this goes for the rest of the Qur'an as well, which has about 750 verses or so regarding nature, I think I remember reading once.) Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 5015,19,"From: ""David R. Sacco"" Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: Misc. student, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 Distribution: na <1993Apr2.170259.13380@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr2.170259.13380@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect to join. There are just so many. Dean Kaflowitz Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So convenient that it is burdensome at times. Dave. ============================================================= --There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. (Bob Dylan) --Never let school interfere with your education. (Mark Twain) --Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. (Mark Twain) --TACT is getting your point across without stabbing someone with it. --Subtlety is saying what you mean, then getting out of the way before it is understood. --""If you were happy every day of your life you wouldn't be a human being, you'd be a game show host."" (taken from the movie ""Heathers."") " 5016,16,"From: tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Keywords: BATF FBI Korash ""child abuse"" guns murder CONTROL Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >Well, maybe I AM overreacting. This is probably the best part of your post. Everything else is shrill speculation. Tom Gift tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu " 5017,12,"From: jbore@cosmos.shearson.com (Joe Bore) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line In-Reply-To: alee@ecs.umass.edu's message of 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT Organization: Lehman Brothers Lines: 33 try finding a friend that has caller id, then give him a call... jb In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: Path: shearson.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!nic.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!umaecs!alee From: alee@ecs.umass.edu Newsgroups: sci.electronics Date: 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT Lines: 13 Greetings! Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't know the number of the line. And I don't want to call up the operator to place a trace on it. Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can use to find out the number to the line? Thanks for any response. Al -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Bore | ""Life is Short...Code Hard"" jbore@Shearson.COM | ...!uunet!shearson.com!jbore| (212)464-3431, Beeper: (212)396-4248 | " 5018,3,"From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: cents keystroke ? where is it Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 14 why does my keyboard not have a cents key ? | C | like to have my 2 cents worth or $ 0.02 (boaring) -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 5019,19,"From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) Subject: Re: New newsgroup: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya? Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 68 Mr. Esam Abdel-Rahem writes: >I urge you all to vote NO to the formation of the news group ''AHMADYA.ISLAM''. >If they want to have their own group, the word ISLAM shouldnot be attached to >the name of such group. We don't consider them as Muslims. Dr. Tahir Ijaz comments on Esam Abdel-Rahem's statement: >But the problem is We consider ourself to be Muslims, even though you don't. >Luckily, faith is determined by what one believes and is a personal matter. >You cannot declare the faith of someone else. Mr. Jawad Ali then comments on Tahir Ijaz's statement: >You are not considering the consequences of your argument. The converse >would be that the problem is that Muslims dont consider Ahmadies to be >Muslims. Who one considers to be one's co-believer is also a personal >matter. It would be just as wrong to tell the Muslims who should be >included in their self-defination. The argument by Jawad Ali is funny, He writes: ""The converse would be that the problem is that Muslims dont consider Ahmadies to be Muslims"" Which is a wrong statement. In the light of Dr. Ijaz's statement, the above statement should be corrected: "".......................................is that (some) non-Ahmadi Muslims don't consider Ahmadi-Muslims as Muslims"" So, the problem does not get solved:-) Who is a muslims and who is not? Humans cannot decide. Humans may not declare others faiths. Its that simple. I don't understand, why the mere use of the word ""ISLAM"" is becomming such a big issue. I have seen numorous postings on the net on this subject, and all they say, ""No, NO, you cannot use ISLAM as the name of your newsgroup"". ?? I haven't seen a single posting stating what right do they have in declaring the name of other's faiths? Who gives them this authority? Quran? or Hadith? or something else? I want to know this! Just a small reminder to all my Muslim Brothers, Did _EVER_ the Holy Prophet of Islam (Muhammad PBUH), say to anyone who called himself a Muslim: No, You are not a Muslim ! ??????? NEVER! I challenge all my Muslim brothers to produce a single such evidence from the history of Islam! Hence, if the Prophet Muhammad could never do that to anyone, how could the Muslims, Mullahs or even Governments of today do it to anyone. Do you consider yourself above the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ?? Sincerely, Nabeel. -- ||\\ || //\\ ||\\ ******************* (Note: || \\ || //==\\ ||// * LOVE FOR ALL * views || \\||abeel // \\. ||\\ana * HATRED FOR NONE * are [e-mail: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu] ******************* mine) " 5020,15,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: hearing sinners Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 24 In article JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: >On the question, ""Does God hear the prayers of sinners?"" we need to >distinguish. >If we say that He never hears the prayers of any who have sinned, we >make pointless all prayers by anyone born less than 19 centuries >ago. >But if we consider the prayers of the impenitent sinner, of someone >who says, ""Lord, I want you to do this for me, but don't expect me >to change my way of life,"" that is a different matter. I have no doubt that God hears everybody's prayers. However, He does things His way, i.e. things will happen only if it is His will. Now if the question really is ""Does God grant everybody's wishes ?"" then you'll get a brutal shot of reality similar to when you didn't get that toy you wanted for Christmas. You just cannot expect to get everything you want in this world. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 5021,1,"Subject: newss From: pollarda@physc1.byu.edu Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 24 I am working on a project where we are going to be including both still and moving grapics within a database. Of course JPEG and MPEG come to mind as the formats of choice for the various files. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems as if there are several different forms of each of these. What I want to do, is settle on a file format which I can count on as being a standard format 10 years from now. I know Apple is going to support Quicktime on the new Power PC's and, so this may be the format of choice. What format does Apple's Quicktime use for their products? I guess it is some kind of MPEG for their motion picture. Is it any different than standard MPEG files? Thanx for any info! Art. Pollarda@xray.byu.edu " 5022,9,"From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Nntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr5.190141.17623@bsu-ucs>, 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: |> I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect |> I have |> for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. |> A dishard Cub fan If you think that's bad, just wait until he tries Dunston in the leadoff spot again. Yes, I also wonder if they can win with this manager. I never believed managers had that much to do with winning until I saw how much they had to do with losing.... - Rick " 5023,13,"From: balick@nynexst.com (Daphne Balick) Subject: Re: Altitude adjustment Reply-To: balick@nynexst.com Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc Lines: 32 In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes: >I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities >quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 >feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... Mexico City, Bogota, La Paz? > >Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and >my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very >dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep >away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. > >Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there >(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? >Is there something else that I could do? --- An unconventional remedy that you might try for altitude sickness in the Andes is chewing coca leaves or taking teas made from coca leaves. You might notice that many of the natives have wads in their mouths... the tea can be obtained in S. American pharmacies. This remedy alleviates some of the lightheadedness and dizziness - but don't try to jog with it. I've tried this when travelling and hiking in Peru and Ecuador. The amount of cocaine you would ingest are too minute to cause any highs... Also it is a good idea to eat lightly and dress warm while adjusting to high altitudes. " 5024,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Keywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170 Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <1qsfak$skc@network.ucsd.edu> dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) writes: >But, the following games only play out of the left channel: ... >But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers. Mac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and mix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in stereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while some are ""truly"" mono (like the LC) Developers know that stuff played in the left channel is guaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn't. Some send data to both, some only send data to the left channel (the first is preferrable, of course) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- Engineering: ""How will this work?"" Science: ""Why will this work?"" Management: ""When will this work?"" Liberal Arts: ""Do you want fries with that?"" -- Jesse N. Schell " 5025,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM Subject: Re: fillibuster Summary: Proceedure News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 24 In article , hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes... >In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty >|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock >|>>set in. >|> >|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had ""wide powers."" I was under the >|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and >|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted >|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.) > >The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question. >The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914 >and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has >considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body. > Just how much power does the House of Lords have now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5026,1,"From: renouar@amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr (Renouard Olivier) Subject: Re: POV previewer Nntp-Posting-Host: amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique Lines: 10 Actually I am trying to write something like this but I encounter some problems, amongst them: - drawing a 3d wireframe view of a quadric/quartic requires that you have the explicit equation of the quadric/quartic (x, y, z functions of some parameters). How to convert the implicit equation used by PoV to an explicit one? Is it mathematically always possible? I don't have enough math to find out by myself, has anybody heard about useful books on the subject? " 5027,9,"From: binkley@let.rug.nl (P.A. Binkley) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: pco204a.let.rug.nl Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL There was an article on Jewish major leaguers in a recent issue of ""Elysian Fields"", what used to be the ""Minnesota Review of Baseball"". As I recall, it had an amazing amount of research, with a long list of players and a large bibliography. Peter Binkley binkley@let.rug.nl " 5028,14,"From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Subject: Space Shuttle information wanted Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu Hello everyone, I was hoping someone could help me out. I'm writing a program for my astronautics class for assent of the shuttle into a low orbit. There are two things I'd like to know, First, how much time elapses between launch and the pitch over. Second, what is the cross-sectional area of the shuttle, srb's, and ext. tank. Thanks for any information, post or e-mail. Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu " 5029,8,"From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David A. Braun) Subject: Wrecked BMW Originator: dab@necs Nntp-Posting-Host: necs Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Distribution: na Lines: 13 Do you or does anyone you know have a wrecked 1981 or later R80(anything) or R100(anything) that they are interested in getting rid of? I need a motor, but will buy a whole bike. email replies to: David.Braun@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com or: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu or phone: 303/223-5100 x9487 (voice mail) 303/229-0952 (home) " 5030,7,"From: tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com (Neeraj Tulsian) Subject: Re: Mazda RX7 parts - JC Whitney Lines: 5 Reply-To: tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph, AL Their number is 1-800-541-4716 they are based in Chicago, IL in case you need to call dir assistance. Their prices are more down to earth than ANY other source for car innards/outers. They will send you a free catalog. Neeraj " 5031,1,"From: froument@lifl.lifl.fr (Froumentin Max) Subject: WANTED: Atomic Energy Res. Establishment (UK) techreport Organization: Laboratoire d'Informatique Fondamentale de Lille Lines: 16 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: lifl.lifl.fr I'm looking for the following paper: Marlow, S. and Powell, M.J.D. A FORTRAN subroutine for plotting the part of a conic that is inside a given triangle. Rep. R-8336, Atomic Energy Res. Establishment, Harwell, England 1976 Or anything related (including 3D cases) Max -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Max Froumentin | Laboratoire d'Informatique | ""Always better, never first."" Fondamentale de Lille | - Tigran Petrossian France | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5032,18,"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence' Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr17.111713.4063@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: >In article phil@netcom.com (Phil >Ronzone) writes: > >>Libertarians want the State out of our lives. >> >>NAMBLA members want to fuck little boys. >> >>NOW do you get it? >> >I see! Libertarians want to have the right to fuck little >children of either sex, and want to make sure everyone else >has this right too. NAMBLA just wants to have the right to >fuck little boys. > >>Or are you just a secret member of NAMBLA? >> >You're the one who suddenly seems to be defending the right >to fuck children. How many little girls have you raped today, >Phil? > >If wanting to abolish the age of consent is not repectable, >it is not respectable for anyone. Hmm, you still don't get it. Then again, I'm not posting from a University where the hue and cry was raised against ""Jewish physics"". Tell me, committed any anti-semitic acts today? What kind of boots do you wear? And still -- Libertarians want the State out of their lives. Parents are very capable of protecting their children against the predations of pedophiles, which, BTW, you still haven't disassociated yourself from. Are you, or are you not, a member of NAMBLA? -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) " 5033,9,"From: (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu) Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS Organization: master/peon Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr14.173428.12056@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes: > > >In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > > writes... > > >>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest > >>players at their respective postions. > > >>2B Career What about U. Johnny Hodapp, the greatest 2nd baseman in Cleveland Indians history? 225 hits in 1930, consistantly over .300. A great, great second baseman. Jon ""Johnny"" Hodapp jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu =-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 5034,3,"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 12 Holly KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote: > My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with > another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right > on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. no jumper set: drive is alone MA: drive is master SL: drive is slave Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 5035,1,"From: aleahy@cch.coventry.ac.uk (ODD FROG) Subject: Re: Photoshop for Windows Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh Organization: ODD FROGS BALLOON SHOP Lines: 21 In article beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) writes: > > >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? > Also photoshopII is out soon, has anyone got a date and any cofmments? Andy _______________________________________________________ | Andrew Leahy | aleahy@cch.coventry.ac.uk | Odd FROG | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ""What a piece of work is man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculties! in form and moving, how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals! And yet to me what is the quintessence if dust? Man delights not me....... "" Shakespeare, Hamlet " 5036,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.143400.569@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > Do you judge all Christians by the acts of those who would call > themselves Christian and yet are not? The BD's contradicted scripture > in their actions. They were NOT Christian. Simple as that. Perhaps > you have read too much into what the media has portrayed. Ask any > true-believing Christian and you will find that they will deny any > association with the BD's. Even the 7th Day Adventists have denied any > further ties with this cult, which was what they were. Well, if they were Satanists, or followers of an obscure religion, then I would be sure that Christians would in unison condemn and make this to a show case. But when we are dealing with a fanatical Revelation preacher that kills ultimately everyone, including the innocent children, then it seems that we are dealing with Christians and christians (note the spelling). > Do you judge all Muslims by the acts committed by Saddam Hussein, a > supposedly devout Muslim? I don't. Saddam is just a dictator using > the religious beliefs of his people to further his own ends. And does not this show the dangers with religion -- in order word a mind virus that will make mothers capable of letting their small children burn to ashes while they scream? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5037,6,From: drmsr@cislabs.pitt.edu (Marc S Rosenthal) Subject: CASIO B.O.S.S. For Sale Distribution: na Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 8 I have a CASIO B.O.S.S. SF-9500 Digital Dairy/organizer for sale. The unit has 64 kb with the expansion card slot. Very good condition. Asking $110.00 plus shipping. Marc drmsr+@pitt.edu 5038,7,"From: lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) Subject: Buick heater controls Summary: My air vents don't work on my 71 Skylark Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Physics Department Lines: 31 I have a '71 Buick Skylark with 148K on it. I bought it in California, and if it'll let me, I'd like to keep it for another year. The only problem is these Indiana winters--my heater controls don't work. The car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents. Right now it is stuck in the ""vent"" mode. It will blow warm air, but I can't switch the air flow to either the floor (I can live without this) or the defrost (I can't live without this). I probably could just jam the air deflector to the defrost position, but this blows a lot of air in my face and is, well, kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse. I have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and I think the problem (or part of it) is with the two diaphragms which control up/down and outside/inside air flow. THe diaphragm which controls outside(vent)/in- side(no vent) air is cracked most of the way around, and the other one is probably damaged too, considering the advanced age of the car. Two questions: 1) Is there anything I should be aware of about this (other than the fact that I should move from Indiana) ? 2) In the event that replacement diaphragms aren't available, is there a way to ""fix"" this? THanks for any advice/info selah, Dan lovall@physics.purdue.edu " 5039,10,"From: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Subject: Re: Canucks clinch, Bure to score 20 playoff goals Reply-To: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 21 In a previous article, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) says: > >Ron Apland (apland@mala.bc.ca) writes: >> Quinn will resign as head coach (this is no secret) and HOPEFULLY they will >> BRING IN someone who looks at the game spatially and institutes some team >> disciplined play. How about Keenan? Give him what he wants, GM and Coach, >> and have Quinn upstairs as president. > >I was under the impression that Rick Ley was in line for the Canucks job >should Quinn step off the bench. Ley coached in the Canucks' organization BRING BACK HARRY! (NEALE) At least he was witty... -- ad215@freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)] " 5040,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. The Japanese spacecraft, Hiten, crashed on the Moon last weekend. For the past three years it has made several lunar flybys and even did some aerobraking experiments with Earth's atmosphere. It was placed in lunar orbit in February 1992, and I guess it finally ran out of fuel and was unable to maintain its orbit around the Moon. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 5041,7,"From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.corp.hp.com In article <1993Apr14.143750.120204@marshall.wvnet.edu> edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu writes: >Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone >has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks! You can go to the DMV and ask for their listing. Although I don't know where you may actually buy a copy, you can use theirs for your perusal. In California, the listing of personalized license plates run 3 volumes, each about 1.5"" thick. I hope this is what you're asking for. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026 " 5042,19,"From: system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) Subject: Bhagavad-Gita 2.45 Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA Lines: 62 TEXT 45 trai-gunya-visaya veda nistrai-gunyo bhavarjuna nirdvandvo nitya-sattva-stho niryoga-ksema atmavan trai-gunya--pertaining to the three modes of material nature; visayah--on the subject matter; vedah--Vedic literatures; nistrai-gunyah--transcendental to the three modes of material nature; bhava--be; arjuna--O Arjuna; nirdvandvah--without duality; nitya-sattva-sthah--in a pure state of spiritual existence; niryoga-ksemah--free from ideas of gain and protection; atma-van--established in the self. TRANSLATION The Vedas deal mainly with the subject of the three modes of material nature. O Arjuna, become transcendental to these three modes. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the self. PURPORT All material activities involve actions and reactions in the three modes of material nature. They are meant for fruitive results, which cause bondage in the material world. The Vedas deal mostly with fruitive activities to gradually elevate the general public from the field of sense gratification to a position on the transcendental plane. Arjuna, as a student and friend of Lord Krsna, is advised to raise himself to the transcendental position of Vedanta philosophy where, in the beginning, there is brahma-jijnasa, or questions on the supreme transcendence. All the living entities who are in the material world are struggling very hard for existence. For them the Lord, after creation of the material world, gave the Vedic wisdom advising how to live and get rid of the material entanglement. When the activities for sense gratification, namely the karma-kanda chapter, are finished, then the chance for spiritual realization is offered in the form of the Upanisads, which are part of different Vedas, as the Bhagavad-gita is a part of the fifth Veda, namely the Mahabharata. The Upanisads mark the beginning of transcendental life. As long as the material body exists, there are actions and reactions in the material modes. One has to learn tolerance in the face of dualities such as happiness and distress, or cold and warmth, and by tolerating such dualities become free from anxieties regarding gain and loss. This transcendental position is achieved in full Krsna consciousness when one is fully dependent on the good will of Krsna. Bhagavad-Gita As It is Books of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami --------------------------------------------------------- | Don't forget to chant: | | | | Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare | | Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare | | | | Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA | | (system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us) | --------------------------------------------------------- " 5043,4,"From: smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (SAURABH MISRA) Subject: Ethernet to LocalTalk On a Quadra? Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.135521.22501 Distribution: na Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 8 I have used both my serial ports with a modem and a serial printer, so I cannot use Appletalk. Is there a Ethernet to Localtalk hardware that will let me use the Ethernet port on my Q700 as a Localtalk port. Until they come out with satellite dishes that sit on your window & give you internet access from your home, I won't at all be using that port. Saurabh. " 5044,4,"From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Lines: 23 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Mysstem crashes aftwer sleepp. I use 1.0.1 enabler. I use appletalk and filesharing. I have and ExpressModem. --Lowell -- *********************************************************************** * Lowell Reiter ""I need a Vacation... Now!!! "" * * Tufts University * * Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * *********************************************************************** " 5045,1,"From: ebuhcb@ebu.ericsson.se (Cuyler Buckwalter 66678) Subject: Re: So what is the fastest Windows video c Reply-To: ebuhcb@ebu.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc. Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.ebu.ericsson.se X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson. Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and not necessarily those of Ericsson. In article 16APR199309101156@trentu.ca, ayounes@trentu.ca (Amro Younes, Trent University, C.C. #314, Peterborough, ON, Canada K9J 7B8. (705) 749-0391) writes: >I have the ATI GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO EISA version. I must admit it has >received bad press but that was due to the faulty drivers it had. PC Magazine seems to be impressed with the ATI card in their most recent reviews. In the April 13th issue they rate the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (EISA version) as their ""Editor's Choice"". They noted that the drivers had improved since they tested the ISA version in January... ...Cuyler " 5046,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Summary: Pathelogical liars News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Distribution: usa Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr15.175829.22411@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@us.oracle.com (Michael Friedman) writes... >In article <1993Apr14.231117.21872@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >>In article , phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes... >>>Correct. JFK was quite disgusting in that way. The reports of the women that >>>he coerced via power of the office are now in the dozens. Today, we';d >>>call for immediate resignation for that kind of behaviour. > >>I guess coercing women into having sex is MUCH worse than stealing, breaking >>and entering, rigging national elections, starting secret wars that kill >>hundreds of thousands, and using the powers of your office for personal >>gain like Nixon did. NOT! > >Garrett, you are a really pathetic liar. Isn't name calling fun! > >Some of your charges are arguable, but most of them are obvious lies. >I challenge you to present us with any evidence that Nixon stole, >rigged a national election, never mind elections, or used the powers >of his office for personal gain. What do you think happened at Watergate? What do you think they broke into the building for? It wasn't to just look around. Do I have to draw you a picture? > >You can't because there is absolutely no evidence that any of these >events occurred. Whatever... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5047,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr5.171143.828@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >God is effectively limited in the same sense. He is all powerful, but >He cannot use His power in a way that would violate the essence of what >He, Himself is. Cannot? Try, will not. --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. " 5048,18,"From: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) Subject: Re: race and violence Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: usa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 8 I replied to your message, however, it is listed as a new topic with the title: ""rnitedace and violence"". Possibly line noise or error caused to post as a new topic. I see it here as #100. Regards, Neal " 5049,7,"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Za uberer) writes: >>>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes: >>>|> Hello, >>>|> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine >>>|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind >>>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! >>>|> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable >>>|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too >>>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak? >>>|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson Don't worry about leaks. Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing. Take a good claw hammer and pry it straight out. Now, you'll notice, after all the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be. Thats why 'heli coils' were invented. Yes, buy a few of these gems, and rethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil. When the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy, its time to trade in the car... " 5050,4,"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: New Duo Dock info. Summary: You don't know the products Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 27 aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha) writes: >> nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes: >>The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new >>macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own. ]Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!! ]Alain Alain: Get your facts straight before you post something like this. The Duo Dock does not have a CPU of its own. It is a docking station with ports connecting various components, including the portable PowerBook with its own CPU. I guess these rumored new Duo Docks have a built-in CPU to perform functions of their own. Interesting! If they're not compatible with the current Duo models, I think you'll be hearing a lot more ""screwed by Apple"" complaints. Imagine a company obsoleting (ooh, a new verb!) a virtually brand new computer... sheesh... Ken -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 5051,3,"From: gt5735a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Devaney) Subject: Sorry, another Gateway posting Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 42 I never thought I'd contribute to a Gateway thread, either pro or con, but my spleen could use a little venting. The scenario: 1 - Ordered a DX2/50 w/ Ultrastor 34F Local Bus HD controller 2 - Receive system 10 days after ordering (Happy) 3 - Discover Ultrastor 14F ISA HD Controller inside (unhappy) 4 - Call Gateway, receive the correct controller in 5 days (getting happier) 5 - New controller doesn't work (unhappy again) 6 - Call Gateway again, get another controller in 5 more days (cooling off, the end is in sight) 7 - This controller doesn't work either, motherboard is bad (VERY unhappy) Gateway's solution: They will order me a new motherboard (5 more days) and have on-site service install it for me. BUT, I have to take a day off of work because the service people only work 9-5 M-f. I say, no way I've already blown about 20 hours with this, about 10 of them on hold and I don't have the time or $$ to take a day off work. Also, my 30 day return period is almost over and I've only been able to use the thin for about 10 minutes. So, the whole thing is going back. I was extremely upset when I began this post because the support rep told me that I would have to pay shipping not only for the returned system, but also the two hard drive controllers they had sent me. Fortunately, I just spoke to customer service and they are going to have UPS come and pick everything up gratis. The only downside is that now I have to order another computer. I would really like to try Gateway again, I'm just very turned off by the prospect of having to try and get through to Customer Service or Tech Support again... I think their products are great for the most part, but I'm beginning to wonder if the savings are worth the potential aggravation. Are other mail order companies as difficult to contact? I know Gateway is booming, and for good reason, but I don't know if I can take it again. Oh well, I feel better now... -- -----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____-----_____----- | Mark Devaney - Hear me now and believe me later | | Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 | | Internet: markd@cc.gatech.edu | " 5052,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 117 In article <2BCA3DC0.13224@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: > >The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains >the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It >states that: > >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" > is agreed upon; > >Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the > Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA); > >The ISGA will apply to the ""Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"" > under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a > territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population > of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem; > >Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel; > >Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd; > >Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects- > external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order; > >The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature; > >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and > coordination with Israel. > >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the > areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, > business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, > local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious > affairs. > >The Palestinian counterproposal of March 1992: > >The establishment of a Palestinian Interim Self-Governing Authority > (PISGA) whose authority is vested by the Palestinian people; > >Its (PISGA) powers cannot be delegated by Israel; > >In the interim phase the Israeli military government and civil adminis- > tration will be abolished, and the PISGA will asume the powers previous- > ly enjoyed by Israel; > >There will be no limitations on its (PISGA) powers and responsibilities > ""except those which derive from its character as an interim arrangement""; > >By the time PISGA is inaugurated, the Israeli armed forces will have > completed their withdrawal to agreed points along the borders of the > Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). The OPT includes Jerusalem; > >The jurisdiction of the PISGA shall extend to all of the OPT, including > its land, water and air space; > >The PISGA shall have legislative powers to enact, amend and abrogate laws; > >It will wield executive power withput foreign control; > >It shall determine the nature of its cooperation with any state or > international body, and shall be empowered to conclude binding coopera- > tive agreements free of any control by Israel; > >The PISGA shall administer justice throughout the OPT and will have sole > and exclusive jruisdiction; > >It will have a strong police force responsible for security and public > order in the OPT; > >It can request the assistance of a UN peacekeeping force; > >Disputes with Israel over self-governing arrangements will be settled by > a committee composed of representatives of the five permanent members of > the UN Security Council, the Secretary General (of the UN), the PISGA, > Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Israel. > >But perhaps the ""bargaining"" attitude behind these very different visions >of the ""interim stage"" is wrong? For two reasons: 1) the present Palestinian >and Israeli leadership are *as moderate* as is likely to exist for many years, >so the present opportunity may be the last for a significant period, 2) since >these negotiations *are not* designed to, or even attempting to, resolve the >conflict, attention to issues dealing with a desired ""final status"" are mis- >placed and potentially destructive. > >Given this, how should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper >their ""maximalist"" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and >desire for some ""interim control"", be addressed while providing for a very >*real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity? > >Tim > April 13, 1993 response by Al Moore (L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM): Basically the problem is that Israel may remain, or leave, the occupied territories; it cannot do both, it cannot do neither. So far, Israe continues to propose that they remain. The Palestinians propose that they leave. Why should either change their view? It is worth pointing out that the only area of compromise accomodating both views seems to require a reduction in the Israeli presence. Israel proposes no such reduction.... and in fact may be said to *not* be negotiating. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim: There seem to be two perceptions that **have to be addressed**. The first is that of Israel, where there is little trust for Arab groups, so there is little support for Israel giving up **tangible** assets in exchange for pieces of paper, ""expectations"", ""hopes"", etc. The second is that of the Arab world/Palestinians, where there is the demand that these ""tangible concessions"" be made by Israel **without** it receiving anything **tangible** back. Given this, the gap between the two stances seems to be the need by Israel of receiving some ***tangible*** returns for its expected concessions. By ""tangible"" is meant something that 1) provides Israel with ""comparable"" protection (from the land it is to give up), 2) in some way ensures that the Arab states and Palestine **will be** accountable and held actively (not just ""diplomatically) responsible for the upholding of all actions on its territory (by citizens or ""visitors""). In essence I do not believe that Israel objections to Palestinian statehood would be anywhere near as strong as they are now IF Israel was assured that any new Palestinian state *would be committed to** co-existing with Israel and held responsible for ALL attacks on Israel from its territory. Aside from some of the rather slanted proposals above, how *could* such ""guarantees"" be instilled? For example, how could such ""guarantees""/""controls"" be added to the Palestinian PISGA proposals? Israel is hanging on largely because it is scared stiff that the minute it lets go (gives lands back to Arab states, no more ""buffer zone"", gives full autonomy to Palestinians), ANY and/or ALL of the Arab parties could (and *would*, if not ""controlled"" somehow) EASILY return to the traditional anti-Israel position. The question then is HOW to *really* ensure that that will not happen. Tim " 5053,9,"From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE) Subject: Re: Surgery for Hal Morris Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 17 And then cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) quoth: >Does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on >Morris? > >""Let's see... I expect to be back June 15th. How many games do we play >before June 15th? Take me off the DL 3 games before June 15th."" > >It would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some >number of games after he came back. Well, either way, the Reds have to play a man down for 3 days. -- Jason Lee jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu Giants e ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 The most beautiful equation in mathematics. Magic For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: Number: ""It might have been."" John Greenleaf Whittier 153 " 5054,17,"From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 9 In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel writes: >What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a >s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza >k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the > way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref >ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. What gives the United States the right to keep Washington D.C.? " 5055,2,"From: chakaw@stein.u.washington.edu (Chak-Yoon Aw) Subject: Is there any documentation for Microsoft Diagnostics? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qk9uqINNh0s Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Hi, I found what I believe is an undocumented feature in my windows directory, Microsoft Diagnostics, ver 2.00. I am specifically interested in a more in depth explanation of the legends in the memory mapping report. Thanks. Chak Aw chakaw@u.washington.edu " 5056,15,"From: mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 74 I'd like to share my thoughts on this topic of ""arrogance of Christians"" and look forward to any responses. In my encounters with Christians, I find myself dismayed by their belief that their faith is total truth. According to them, their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way. Their way is the 'truth.' But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason, but it seems to me a choice. My discussions with some Christians remind me of schoolyard discussions when I was in grade school: A kid would say, ""All policemen are jerks!"" I'd ask, ""How do you know?"" ""Because my daddy told me so!"" ""How do you know you're daddy is right?"" ""He says he's always right!"" Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end, aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as false? ------------- This is only my third time browsing through this newsgroup. I apologize if I'm covering tired old ground. Some of the discussions on this topic have piqued my interest and I welcome any comments. | Louis J. Kim --- _ O PH:512-522-5556 | | Southwest Research Institute --- ,/ |\/' FAX:512-522-3042 | | Post Office Drawer 28510 ---- |__ lkim@swri.edu | | San Antonio, TX 78228-0510 ---- __/ \ 76450.2231@compuserve.com | -- [I'm sort of mystified about how a Christian might respond to this. I can understand criticisms of Christianity that say there's not enough evidence to believe it, or that there's just as good evidence for other religions. I don't agree, but clearly there are plenty of intelligent people who don't find the evidence convincing. But that doesn't seem to be your point. Rather, you seem upset that people who believe Christianity is true also believe that things which contradict it are false. This suggests a model of spiritual things that's rather different than the Christian one. It sounds more like an existentialist view, where people choose what value to follow, but there's no actual independent spiritual reality, and so no way to say that a specific choice is in some unique sense right. This sort of model -- with modifications of one sort or another -- may be appropriate for some religions. But Christianity is in its essense a ""historical"" religion. That is, it's based on the concept that there are actual spiritual entities out there, that one of them has intervened in history in specific ways, and that we see evidence of that in history. In the ""mundane"" world, we are not free to choose how things work. When we drop something, it falls (aside from well-defined situations where it doesn't). The Christian concept is that spiritual matters, there is also an actual external reality. I hope we're all honest enough not to claim that we have perfect understanding. But while we may not think we know everything, we are confident that we know some things. And that implies that we think things that contradict them are false. I don't see how else we could proceed. This needn't result in arrogance. I'm certainly interested in talking with people of other religions. They may have things to teach me, and even if they don't, I respect them as fellow human beings. But it's got to be possible to respect people and also think that on some matters they are wrong. Maybe even disasterously wrong. --clh] " 5057,17,"Subject: Re: If You Feed Armenians Dirt -- You Will Bite Dust! From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan) Organization: Vanderbilt University Summary: Armenians correcting the geo-political record. Nntp-Posting-Host: snarl02 Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr5.194120.7010@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) >writes: >David Davidian says: Armenians have nothing to lose! They lack food, fuel, and >warmth. If you fascists in Turkey want to show your teeth, good for you! Turkey >has everything to lose! You can yell and scream like barking dogs along the Davidian, who are fascists? Armenians in Azerbaijan are killing Azeri people, invading Azeri soil and they are not fascists, because they lack food ha? Strange explanation. There is no excuse for this situation. Herkesi fasist diye damgala sonra, kendileri fasistligin alasini yapinca, ""ac kaldilar da, yiyecekleri yok amcasi, bu seferlik affedin"" de. Yurrruuu, yuru de plaka numarani alalim...... Hakan " 5058,6,"From: Bob.Stettina@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bob Stettina) Subject: NEW AIRCRAFT TU-154M Lines: 42 DJ> Subject: New aircraft TU-154M for leasing, set spare parts. >>>>>Category: Offers to leasing >>>>Headline: New Aircraft TU-154M >>>> >>>>Mr. Director Agabalaevich: >>>> >>>>BTW, are these guys out of their [....] minds, or was >>>>our propaganda so effective that they believe some >>>>netters could actually buy such stuff and land in >>>>their driveway? Too much soda pop, too quick... >>> >>Go look up Tu 154M, it should be in most AIRLINER hand-books. >> >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DJ> ~~ >>Sgt. D.J. Morton Environmental Resource Sciences >>Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment Trent University >> Peterborough, Ontario >> K9J 7B8 Canada DJ> There are a few things wrong with the potential sale of this DJ> aircraft: DJ> There is starting to be a glut of new aircraft on the market DJ> (Airlines are taking delivery, then mothballing their new DJ> planes). DJ> Unless the fuel efficiency is better than the Airbus 320 or DJ> Boeing 767, this plane is not economically feasible for the DJ> major players (airlines). Unless the price is real cheap, and DJ> you have an owner that doesn't care about fuel economy (Saudi DJ> Family, maybe??) sales ought to be pretty glim. Ummm... I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a gov't aid program to subsidize and/or underwrite the lease... that could make it quite an attractive arrangement... Bizarre? Yes. Impossible? Not really... ... Life is like... an analogy! Yeah! That's the ticket! " 5059,9,"From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce 'DoppleAckers Anonymous' Hasch) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF Lines: 132 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Dave Winfield was a marginal ballplayer. Yeah, right. Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu>, (Steve Tomassi) writes... > Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? >I mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, >as is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell >Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in >Eddie Murray and Jeff Reardon. Oh, yeah. Dave Winfield--marginal player. Guy didn't hit a lick, had negligible power, was a crap fielder and had no staying power. Dave Winfield, now entering his (I believe) 20th big league season, is still a damn decent hitter. Admittedly, his defense has slipped a great deal, but in his prime, he had a powerful arm and great range. Take a look at the stats: I don't know where you even BEGIN to make an argument that Winfield and Kingman are similar players. Kingman was a one-dimension power hitter--he couldn't field, he ran like an anvil, hit for a low average (though, if I remember right, his OBP wasn't THAT hideous...), and (for those who consider such things important) was a absolute-primo-dick. Eddie Murray? Yup, only the best 1st baseman of the 80's. I know that MVP votes are conducted by mediots, but given that he got jobbed out of the MVP he deserved in 1983, it seems that he wasn't overrated by the media. Lee Smith? Hmmmm... This one's actually pretty close. He's had a s solid, dependable career as a closer despite pitching in some nasty parks (Wrigley, Fenway...). I'd have to take a closer look at the stats (it's been a while), but it seems Lee Arthur is of HOF caliber. You do make a legitimate point about the HOF credentials of relievers, simply racking up a lot of saves doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot if you blow a bunch, too. Simply because Minnesota and Boston and (for a month) Atlanta used Reardon as a closer for longer than he should have been one, the Equalizer has racked up an impressive number of saves. No way should HomerMan be in the HOF, IMHO. Darrell Evans? Nice career, actually a bit underrated (kinda like Ted Simmons, IMHO), but not a HOF'er. > Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody >giving Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, >marginal. Lemme ask you this. Who the hell playing the game ISN'T marginal? >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. >Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors so >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if something Now, wait a goddamn minute here. Ozzie Smith absolutely REDEFINED the position of shortstop. His defense was SO good that he's won something along the lines of 10 Gold Gloves. Again, Gold Gloves are mediot-biased, and a good argument could be made that Larkin deserved one or two of Ozzie's more recent awards, but usually, this is tempered by someone else in the early 80's getting the Gold Gloves Ozzie deserved earlier in his career. Ozzie's offense, you ask? Good OBP, great speed numbers, in a park which, for most of his career, depressed offense, admittedly, no power ('cept against Tom Niedenfuer :-|), but still, a definite asset offensively. Yount? 3,000 hits, MVP at two different positions, uh-huh, a real stiff. His '82 was one of the great years EVER by a player in recent memory, and probably ranks behind only the peak seasons of Wagner and Banks, as far as SS numbers go. He's a clear HOF'er, IMHO. >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? Well, as far as Garvey goes, you're right. Garvey is a ""mediot"" candidate, pushed because of his ""winning attitude"" (a minor factor, if one at all), and his ""great defense"" (no errors, admittedly, but the range of a tree stump...). Garvey shouldn't be in the HOF. SkyJack? I've said a lot of nasty things about SkyJack in the last year or so, but this is mostly in response to mediots and woofers who talk about Morris' ""ability to win"" which is nothing more than Morris' ""ability to pitch when Toronto to score tons of runs"". At this point, Morris is an average pitcher (although from his early returns in '93, he may be damned close to done.). But, in all fairness, Morris was a dominant pitcher in the 80's for up-and-down Tiger teams. While 1984 was (obviously) a great year for Detroit, the rest of the decade, the team was generally in contention, but not favorites. Morris' career numbers are quite good, and worthy of HOF ""consideration"". Ryan? Of course, but be careful. I guarantee you that someone will throw back your earlier logic about ""Yount and Smith being shortstops who hung around a long time"". After all, Nolan never won a Cy... Damn, he's just pitcher who hung around for 99 years... His W-L record is mediocre... (Of course, Nolan's a HOF'er...) Puck? Probably, although he's got to play reasonably well for a few more years (10 years, even good ones, aren't enough to make the HOF, most likely). That said, I believe Puckett WILL make the HOF, pretty much regardless of how the rest of his career turns out (barring something REALLY tragic or sudden). He's very popular in the media and with fans, and legitimately has been one of the best CF's in the game since he joined the league. I've always liked the guy, and I hope he does make it. And, in the end, I think the Puck will make it in. But, really, it's too early to sell. This debate comes up rather frequently on the net, and, believe it or not, I never tire of it. It's an interesting subject. Here's an off the top of my head list of potential HOF'ers from each team. I probably left a couple of guys off, so feel free to follow up. I won't consider ANYONE who started playing after about 1985 (again, too early to tell.) [Note: these are all active players, I'm not counting recent retirees] Baltimore: Cal Ripken (should be a lock by now, even if Gehrig's record stands) Boston: Roger Clemens (might be a lock already, which is amazing), Dawson (?) Detroit: Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker (possibilities) Milwaukee: Robin Yount (discussed earlier) New York: Wade Boggs (possibly), Mattingly (long shot) Toronto: Paul Molitor and Jack Morris (possibilities) Kansas City: George Brett (lock) Minnesota: Kirby (too early to tell), Winfield (lock) Oakland: Eckersley (lock), McGwire (too early), Rickey (lock), Welch (LONG shot) Texas: The Mighty Nolan [Too early to consider Canseco or Strange :-)] Cubs: Sandberg (lock) St. Louis: Ozzie (lock), Lee Smith (probably) New York: Murray (almost a lock), Saberhagen (obviously, he's got to regain past form) [And most certainly, NOT Vince Coleman, despite what he'll tell you :-)] Los Angeles: Butler, Strawberry, and Hershiser are all long shots. San Diego: Tony Gwynn (pretty good shot) Colorado: Dale Murphy (a good shot), Ryan Bowen (just to see if you're awake) [Before I get flames: this is an off-the-top-of-the-head list, there's probably a few deserving candidates that I left off, and, I didn't include Barry Bonds, Will Clark, Any Atlanta Starting Pitcher, Frank Thomas, Canseco, McGriff, etc. because I only considered guys who started playing before 1985)] E-mail or post, I almost fear what I may have started here... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce Hasch hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Sell the team, Eli!! ""If a hitter is a good fastball hitter, does that mean I should throw him a bad fastball?""-- Larry Andersen " 5060,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1r0v4c$i1j@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes: > In <1r0poqINNc4k@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: > > > In article zed@Dartmouth.EDU (Ted > > Schuerzinger) writes: > > Well, it's now Tuesday morning. Where are those two arsons, now? I said > > yesterday they would vanish, and there has been no further mention of them, > > just the desired ""impression"" is left. > > According to KIKK radio in Houston, all nine survivors are either in hos- > pitals or in jails. Inlucding the two who allegedly helped start the firess. In the FBI briefing, no mention was made of having the fire starters in custody. > > > Why could no one else even talk to them? Why could Koresh's grandmother not > > talk to him or even send him a taped message? Why the total isolation? > > Well, it wasn't TOTAL, 100% isolation. After the lawyer snuck in the first > time, they (the FBI, etc) let him go back inside several times, including, I > think, the day before the final assualt. > Why not his mother? Why not the media? > semper fi, > > Jammer Jim Miller > Texas A&M University '89 and '91 > _______________________________________________________________________________ _ > I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. > ""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" > ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" > ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 5061,4,"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: The C650 fan is NOISY! Any solutions? Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.213229.26970 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 18 In article summeral@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Summerall Thomas G) writes: >Is it me, my 650, or all 650s? It doesn't seem to broken. It isn't making >grinding noises or anything, it's just LOUD! Much louder that the fan in >the IIci I just sold. > >Anybody else have this problem? How about a solution? Is there a good >replacement fan that's a lot quieter but moves the same air? Any easy >way to insulate the sound but not the cooling air? (Hah!) I can't even hear the fan on my 650.....gee I wonder if its working.....yup, just checked, its exhausting air out the back just fine. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu " 5062,6,"From: tlin@badger.Berkeley.EDU (Tony Lin) Subject: WANTED: SPI's ""War of the Ring"" Organization: Statistics Dept., U. C. Berkeley Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: badger.berkeley.edu The subject line says it all -- I'm trying to locate a copy of SPI's board game ""War of the Ring."" Anyone have a copy with which they are willing to part? Thanks a million ... -- Tony (tlin@stat.berkeley.edu) " 5063,16,"Subject: Is it really apples to apples? (Lawful vs. unlawful use of guns) From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Distribution: world Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 30 I have been convinced of the right of AMericans to an effective self-defense, but something strikes me as odd among the pro-RKBA arguments presented here. The numbers comparing hundreds of thousands (indeed, even a million) of instances of law abiding citizens deterring criminal activity, seem valid to me. Likewise the number of gun-caused homicides each year (about 11,000/year?). However, it is surprising that the ""Evil AntiGun Empire "" (Darth Vader breathing sound effect here) never tries to compare ""All legitimate gun defenses"" vs. ""All gun crimes."" Instead, it's always ""All legitimate gun defenses,"" which includes cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed, and cases in which the criminal is not here, vs. just criminal gun homicides, which only includes case sin which the victim died. Why is this? Of course, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that in each crime already measured (involving guns), the consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that a gun-based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn into a gun-basd robbery+homicide. Whereas in the legitimate gun defenses, one may assume that all those criminals who were deterred would have committed more crime or more serious crimes had they not been deterred. -Case Kim kim39@husc.harvard.edu " 5064,11,"From: artmel@well.sf.ca.us (Arthur Melnick) Subject: Big Brother (Clipper) chip Summary: Some thoughts on the use of the Big Brother (Clipper) chip Keywords: clipper Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 57 There are some issues which come to mind when one considers the law enforcement aspects of the use of the Big Brother (Clipper) chip. The drug dealers and terrorists aren't going to let themselves be caught by using this type of encryption. In 1985 the New York Times reported that government investigators broke up a narcotics ring that was operating highly sophisticated equipment capable of allowing the leaders of the ring to eavesdrop on the law-enforcement agents who were trying to arrest them. A Mr. Deely, an NSA official, said ""There are a lot of medium-sized countries that would have been proud to have the signals intelligence operation of this group."" For every John Gotti there are probably many more people who have the sophistication to know what the risks of unsecure communications are. The press given to the Big Brother chip will only increase their numbers. Even if there is some benefit to law-enforcement through the use of Big Brother, it must be weighed against the constitutional and civil liberties questions involved. For example, in some areas of the world torture is used as an investigative tool by the local ""law-enforcement"" people. I suspect it is an effective means of obtaining information and shortening many investigations. It probably also helps keep the conviction rate high. The fact that the torture tool is not used in this country (even with a court order obtained by showing ""probable cause"") is because we have rightly balanced the questions of expediency and what is ethically and morally right. I think that the same question of expediency versus morality should come into play when considering the use of Big Brother. I vote for morality. I am quite disturbed by what I interpret as a veiled threat to prohibit the use of all encryption if this Big Brother chip is not put into wide spread use. After a quick reading of the White House press release I came away with that impression. To most of the American public, the word ""hacker"" has rightly or wrongly come to mean ""high tech adolescent vandal"". It has struck me that most of the people posting to sci.crypt regarding this issue are intelligent, thoughtful individuals who have genuine concerns about the privacy and constitutional issues surrounding Big Brother. I hope that the use of Big Brother does not become mandatory and other encryption become illegal. I would hate to see this become some kind of high tech Volstead Act. The high speed digital communications revolution is coming at us with the speed of an SST. The times they are a changing, and just as IBM is learning that they can't do business the same way they have done it for the past 40 years, maybe NSA should evaluate another approach. EFF, who have correctly questioned the cryptographic strength of Big Brother, may need to send a stronger message out regarding the constitutional issues involved. Al Gore may want to think this one through a little more. And as for Dorothy Elizabeth Robling Denning: En quoi cela vous concerne, cheri? " 5065,12,"From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) Subject: Re: Whats wrong with my cordlessphone? Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu I've also found that the electronic starters on these ""instant-on"" compact fluourescent lamp fixtures kick out interference that nukes my cordless phone. (I can hear it in my guitar amplifier, too...) -- paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . . . . . . . . . happens . " 5066,19,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: re: ABORTION and private health insurance Lines: 22 >In <1qid8s$ik0@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes: >I recently have become aware that my health insurance includes >coverage for abortion. I strongly oppose abortion for reasons of >conscience. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may >be being used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is >murder. I would like to request that I be exempted from abortion >coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly. I share Dennis's outrage over a similar manner. I have recently become aware that my health insurance includes coverage for illness and injuries suffered by Christians. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may be used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is divine punishment for their sinful conduct. In addition these folks are able to avail themselves of such alternative therapies as Lourdes, Fatima, Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn, etc. In any case as ""Jesus Saves' I feel that there is no reason for them to be covering their bets at my expense. I would like to request that I be exempted from Christian coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly. Jack Carroll " 5067,14,"From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian Nntp-Posting-Host: scgraph.afit.af.mil Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 21 The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space. STS 56 1 22621U 93 23 A 93105.58333333 .00090711 00000-0 25599-3 0 249 2 22621 57.0029 144.8669 0004136 304.2989 134.3206 15.92851555 1179 1993 023B 1 22623U 93 23 B 93103.37312705 .00041032 00000-0 11888-3 0 86 2 22623 57.0000 155.1150 0004422 293.4650 66.5967 15.92653917 803 -- Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology " 5068,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: Wallpaper in Windows 3.1 Organization: George Washington University Lines: 22 In article <1qvpdo$q7i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell) writes: >Hi there, > >Is there any utility available that will make Windows >randomly select one of your windows directory's .BMP >files as the wallpaper file? > >Nate > [nate's sig] There are a couple. I am personally using screenpeace, which is a screen saver which will also select your wallpaper from a specified directory (not necessarily the windows dir.). Let me know if you want info. I've been pretty happy with screenpeace, and the latest version (3) is *not* at cica, but oak, /windows3/scrpc3or.something Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) " 5069,5,"From: tim@hssc.scarolina.edu (Tim White) Subject: Re: X11 load on the Network Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 18 bkline%occs.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline) writes: >Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily >formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate >for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps >over telnet? Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard >input a line at a time? Can the X client control this, asking for >keystrokes immediately? Thanks in advance for any feedback! Ncd has an excellent document titled ""Host Loading Considerations in the X environment"". I received my copy by emailing support@ncd.com. This may help out. -- ============================================================================== Tim White University of South Carolina tim@otis.hssc.scarolina.edu Humanities and Social Sciences Laboratory (803)-777-7840 Columbia, S.C. 29208 " 5070,4,"From: Sammons@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (David Sammons) Subject: Re: Monitor turning off on its own Organization: FSUACNS Lines: 29 In article , gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen) wrote: > > In article <1993Apr13.142129.9491@rhrk.uni-kl.de> staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder) writes: > >From: staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder) > >Subject: Re: Monitor turning off on its own > >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:21:29 GMT > >kayc@leland.Stanford.EDU (K C Ku) writes: > >|> > >|>I have a strange problem with my Apple 13"" monitor which hopefully > >|>someone can shed some light on. > >|> > >|>I would be using my computer for 5 minutes and then the screen would > >|>go blank as if someone has switch the monitor off. After the screen > >|>went off, I would not be able to turn the monitor off even if I turn > >|>the power off and back on. I will have to let the monitor sit over > >|>night and it usually turns on, although it doesnt stay on for very > >|>long. > >|> > >|>Dooes anybody has similar experience with such a problem before? Is > >|>there some fuse in the monitor that prevents it from turning on? When > >|>I try to turn the monitor on, it seems that the monitor tries to turn > >|>on but it prevented by some mechamism. > In certain Apple 13"" RGB monitors there has been a problem with the HIGH VOLTAGE CAPASITOR. Apple knows about this problem and is replacing the cap at no cost if it falls into the bad batch that they got from their supplier. Your local repair shop should know about REPAIR EXTENSION 3L0218. " 5071,16,"From: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu (David N. Bixler) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Car Nntp-Posting-Host: liberator.eng.auburn.edu Reply-To: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Lines: 36 In article 27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: > In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: > >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as > >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. > > That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. > > >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing > >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is > >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > > Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to > do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; > Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the > outside.) > > A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's > what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go > off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, > it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. > > -andy > -- I agree very much. I have read almost every article written about the Glock, and IMO, it is probably the safest auto-loader made. It has the best safty of all, Jeff Cooper's First Rule, ""Keep your finger OFF the trigger until you want to shoot."" If everyone just observed this, there would be fewer ""accidents"". David N. Bixler Auburn University Standard Disclaimers apply. " 5072,8,"From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) Subject: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 24 So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage, they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't so great. But maybe someone can tell me. Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully charged. What's wrong with this? On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was it? Is there still any of it left? Thanks for any and all help! -- Robert " 5073,2,"From: ytkuo@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eugene Y. Kuo) Subject: Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver Organization: dis Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200 printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version. Thanks very much, please email. " 5074,3,"Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute Distribution: na From: jeff Subject: For Sale: Sound Blaster Card...Hurry! Lines: 9 Well it seems that I have a soundblaster card for sale since I recently purchased a SBPro. The card comes complete, In mint condition; with box, manuals,docs ,disks and original packaging. Make an offer..._Canadian_ inquiries prefered! Respond before APRIL 28!!!!!!!!!!!!! e-mail at acps7117@ryevm.ryerson.ca J.M. " 5075,6,"From: hickson@pop.psu.edu (Darryl Hickson) Subject: DJ Equipment, NES Carts, Cordless Phone FOR SALE (Lower Prices) Article-I.D.: genesis.1prc95$u10 Distribution: usa Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: zelinski.pop.psu.edu I have a few things to sell. All items are in great condition. All prices include shipping. If you have any questions contact me by E-Mail or call me at (814)234-4439. Darryl DJ Equipment ======================================================================= - Mixer Case (with pop-up rails) $60 - (2) Patch Cords (3 meters, Gold Tips) $15 Records ======================================================================= Casualties Of War (12 inch single) Eric B. & Rakim $2 Get Some (12 inch single) EYC & Boo-Ya Tribe $2 Black's Magic Salt & Pepa $2 Heart Break New Edition $2 The Right Stuff Vanessa Williams $2 Misc ======================================================================= Toshiba FT6000 Cordless Phone $50 Books (Each book is priced as marked) ======================================================================= 1. Microcomputers For Management P. Fuhrman & G. Buck $5 Decison Making (1st Edition) 2. Statistics: A fresh Approach D. Sanders, R. Eng & $5 A. Murph 3. Quantitative Approaches to R. Levin, D. Rubin & $5 Management J. Stinson " 5076,7,"From: steve.dunham@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (STEVE LEE DUNHAM) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Lines: 18 Organization: The University of Utah Distribution: usa >While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently >when I bought a new truck. > >I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we >agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax >and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck. >When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could >get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he >started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had >miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. This seems to be a popular scam with dealers. Last month my brother bought a new Audi 90 series quatro from a local dealer. They came back with the final price, tax and all, and he added it up for himself. There happened to be an extra $300 tagged on under the tax part. He pointed out their error and asked them to re-think their addition. They came back with the right price the next time. " 5077,18,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr16.030703.23005@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >Excuse me for sticking my nose in, but any parent/parents who do not allready >immunize their children (especially if it is already free), don't deserve one >frigging dime of tax money for health care for themselves, or public health >care service. > >(I know the immunization program and the coming national health care issue are >slightly seperate issues, but anybody who wouldn't help their kids, don't >deserve my tax help). Hmmmmm......what about their kids? cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. " 5078,6,"From: steveg@ravel.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino) Subject: Dbase IV for sale (price dropped!) Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 3 Dbase IV, ver 1.5, 3.5 disks. Manuals still shrinkwrapped, and all registration materials present. Asking $125. " 5079,10,"From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***) Subject: CORRECTIONS --- Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 29 Everyone... Read this. If you have already sent your predictions, please correct the Patrick division if you would like. You have until midnight on monday (my time.) You may need to correct these games... 3 - Pittsburgh vs. New Jersey 4 - New York Islanders vs. Washington 10 - Patrick Division Winner 13 - Wales Conference Winner 15 - Stanley Cup Winner Please forward all corrections to Richard Madison rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca >1st rd: Pens over Isles in 4. > Devils over Caps in 6. >2nd: Pens over Devils in 7. " 5080,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: >|> ... a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer ... > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? If I'm not mistaken, this is the usual sort of precaution against loss of communications. That timer is counting down continuously; if it ever hits zero, that means Galileo hasn't heard from Earth in a suspiciously long time and it may be Galileo's fault... so it's time to go into a fallback mode that minimizes chances of spacecraft damage and maximizes chances of restoring contact. I don't know exactly what-all Galileo does in such a situation, but a common example is to switch receivers, on the theory that maybe the one you're listening with has died. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5081,7,"From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) Subject: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pookie.pass.wayne.edu Now, my ego with regards to my shifting ability is as big as anyone else's, but I just ordered my first car with an auto trans. I wasn't planning on it; but after driving a few I was convinced: Things have changed since the days of ""Slip 'n' Slide Withe Powerglide"". They shift *better* than I do, there's no clutch to wear out (Honda wanted $800 for my 4WD wagon last year!- got it done for $500), it only costs about 5% in gas milage on the highway and it makes it easier to concentrate on all the radios in my car ;-) (Oddly enough, while two of my best friends- both in the auto industry here in the Motor City- have switched wholeheartedly to autos, their wives *insist* on manual. Shift envy?) Braggadocio aside, given today's technology and the warranties they're handing out the auto trans seemed like an excellent choice. Call me a convert. --mike " 5082,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) Subject: Re: Best Lifetime Record in Baseball History Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210157.2758 Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr6.114106.156@corning.com> cecce_aj@corning.com writes: > Speaking of the Marlins winning the opener: > > Based on lifetime percentage of games won, who has the second best record > in baseball history (soon to be the best record again)? > > > If I had to guess I would be forced to say the Yankees. On the other hand > the Blue Jays might be up there too. > > Hmmmmm.... > > Tony Blue Jays? No way hell, but the yankees probably do. Remember, the Yankees had the best record of any team in the 80's, and probably take the 20's through 60's as well. " 5083,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Article-I.D.: rwing.2091 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 17 In article <1r21t1$4mc@access.digex.net> steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes: < < > I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in < >the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more? < < Which is to say: is the NSA -totally- perfidious, or does it at least Of course they take care of their own ... very well ... until the person has 'outlived his/her/undefined usefulness'... then 'elimination' becomes a consideration... :-) -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 5084,14,"From: abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab Lines: 34 In article <20APR199321040621@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes... >In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes... >>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For >>example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" >>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if >>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy >>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. > >It can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one. Also remember that every dollar spent keeping one spacecraft in safe mode (probably a spin-stabilized sun-pointing orientation) is a dollar not spent on mission analysis for a newer spacecraft. In order to turn the spacecraft back on, you either need to insure that the Ops guys will be available, or you need to retrain a new team. Having said that, there are some spacecraft that do what you have proposed. Many of the operational satellites Goddard flies (like the Tiros NOAA series) require more than one satellite in orbit for an operational set. Extras which get replaced on-orbit are powered into a ""standby"" mode for use in an emergency. In that case, however, the same ops team is still required to fly the operational birds; so the standby maintenance is relatively cheap. Finally, Pat's explanation (some spacecraft require continuous maintenance to stay under control) is also right on the mark. I suggested a spin- stabilized control mode because it would require little power or maintenance, but it still might require some momentum dumping from time to time. In the end, it *is* a political decision (since the difference is money), but there is some technical rationale behind the decision. David W. @ GSFC " 5085,16,"From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 46 In article green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: >Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that >there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also >been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which >rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. The only folks claiming this are the ATF/FBI who have an interest in putting the blame on the BD's. Wake up. >What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I >believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems >with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as >well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. Right and proper? How? It was FUBAR from day 1. >1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at >some time before the Feb. 28th raid? > From all independent sources. Yes. >2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. It would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been worse. >3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the ""right"" course of action? Sure, it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even more paranoid. >And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in >general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. > >One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the >""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy >had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. And what makes you think that ""waffle boy"" didn't tell her to take the wrap. It was job preservation not ""balls"". -- + Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only + |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* | |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*| +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* + " 5086,4,"From: kjt001@dunix.drake.edu (Albatross) Subject: Re: 14"" monitors Article-I.D.: dunix.1993Apr6.012714.11565 Distribution: na Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 12 On a related note, will the 1304 work on a Centris 650 with internal video and give the multiple resolutions? This I'm VERY curious about... Thanks! -- |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\ |/-\|/-\|/-\ Kevin Tieskoetter |/-\|/-\ Technical Support |/-\|/-\|/-\ |/-\|/-\|/-\ Drake Looniversity |/-\|/-\ MicroFrontier, Inc |/-\|/-\|/-\ |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\ " 5087,0,"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 37 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi [deletions...] In <1993Apr13.184227.1191@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >I really don't think you can imagine what it is like to be infinite. First of all, infinity is a mathematical concept created by humans to explain certain things in a certain way. We don't know if it actually applies to reality, we don't know if anything in the world is infinite. >It wouldn't be able to >comprehend what reality is like for the programmer, because that would >require an infinite memory or whatever because reality is continuous and >based on infinietely small units- no units. You don't know if the universe is actually continuous. Continuum is another mathematical concept (based on infinity) used to explain things in a certain way. >Because humans do not know what infinite is. We call it something >beyond numbers. We call it endless, but we do not know what it is. I have a pretty good idea of what infinity is. It's a man-made concept, and like many man-made concepts, it has evolved through time. Ancient Greeks had a different understanding of it. >So, we can call Allah infinitely powerful, knowledgeable, etc.., yet we >cannot imagine what Allah actually is, because we just cannot imagine >what it is like to be infinite. Precicely. We don't even know if infinity applies to reality. -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. " 5088,13,"From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) Subject: Re: Hernia Organization: Pittsburgh TRansplant Institute Lines: 41 In article sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner) writes: >A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was >discovered. It had produced a dull pain in that area. The hernia >was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a >""plug and patch"". I suspect you mean laparoscopic instead of orthoscopic. >Now the pain occurs more often. My GP couldn't identify any >specific problem. The surgen who performed the original procedure >now says that yes there is a ""new"" hernia in the same area and he >said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time. > >My question to the net: Is there a nonintrusive method to >determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from >something else? By far the (still) best method to diagnose a hernia is old fashioned physical examination. If you have an obvious hernia sac coming down into your scrotum, or a bulge in your groin that is brought about by increasing intra-abdominal pressure.... Sometimes is not that obvious. The hernia is small and you can only detect it by putting your finger into the inguinal canal. Whether you have a recurrent hernia, or this is related to the previous operation, I can't tell you. The person that examined you is in the best position to make that determination. Are there non-invasive ways of diagnosing a hernia? Every now and then folks write about CT scans and ultrasounds for this. But these are far too expensive, and unlikely to be better than a trained examining finger. ==================================== Howard Doyle doyle+@pitt.edu " 5089,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Chanting of the Passion Lines: 14 Mike Rolfe writes: > If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the > Passion is its being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator > chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass, > and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. This is done in English (same music as the traditional Latin) in many Anglican parishes. I should expect that many RCC parishes would do likewise. The ST MATTHEW PASSION and ST JOHN PASSION of J S Bach are direct offshoots of this tradition Yours, James Kiefer " 5090,1,"From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US Lines: 5 In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast >polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? " 5091,12,"From: craw@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Sebastian Filzek) Subject: IR detector 'cards'??? Summary: IR detector cards..??? Keywords: IR card Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 23 Hi people.. OK heres my problem.... I keep hearing about these little credit card type of things which detect IR light.... I believe that you have to 'charge them up' under normal (visible) light and then if they are exposed to IR light they glow or something like that... I think that they are avaliable in the states and even in England, but alas I live in Australia. Could someone please inform me if I can get these things over here, and if so where??? and how much??? Also are they really commonly avaliable in the states, and if so, then how much are they and who sells them (maybe if I cant get one here, I'll write to one of the companies over seas..) Anyway.... Thanks in advance... Sab 93 " 5092,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Lines: 73 Benedikt Rosenau writes: >The argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in >the almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are >considered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and >not an entirely different source. Assuming you are presenting it accurately, I don't see how this argument really leads to any firm conclusion. The material in John (I'm not sure exactly what is referred to here, but I'll take for granted the similarity to the Matt./Luke ""Q"" material) IS different; hence, one could have almost any relationship between the two, right up to John getting it straight from Jesus' mouth. >We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual >explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider >their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke >that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark). The version of the ""usual theory"" I have heard has Matthew and Luke independently relying on Mark and ""Q"". One would think that if Luke relied on Matthew, we wouldn't have the grating inconsistencies in the geneologies, for one thing. >As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence >for that is not overwhelming, admittedly. This is the part that is particularly new to me. If it were possible that you could point me to a reference, I'd be grateful. >>Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late >>'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200. >When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on >putting John after the rest of the three? Because it closes up the gap between (supposed) writing and the existing copy quit a bit. The further away from the original, the more copies can be written, and therefore survival becomes more probable. >>And I don't think a ""one step removed"" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark >>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really >>cannot believe in the sort of ""big transformation from Jesus to gospel"" that >>some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better >>information than this. >>And if John IS a diciple, then there's nothing more to be said. >That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language >together with the theology are usually used as counterargument. I'm not really impressed with the ""theology"" argument. But I'm really pointing this out as an ""if"". And as I pointed out earlier, one cannot make these arguments about I Peter; I see no reason not to accept it as an authentic letter. >One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that >to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies. The best analogy would be reporters talking to the participants, which is not so bad. >In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like >and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak. But the statement of divinity is not in that section, and in any case, it's agreed that the most important epistles predate Mark. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 5093,7,"From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 35 matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: >callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >: >> >: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if >: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your >: >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there >: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. >: >I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be >honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car? I can't tell if Matt is being sarcastic here or not, but to be honest, many automobiles are worth far more to their owners (in $$ value and $$ investment) than the people that would take them. I don't have figures on average property tax in the U.S. or how much of it is allocated for housing projects, inferior public schools, jails, or the like, but I have a feeling that the amount the government steals from an honest, productive citizen to breed this trash is significantly less than the value of many automobiles. And for those who will argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they are not human beings. Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track. And Chintan Amin remarked earlier that we cannot blame environment for the actions of a single criminal. I couldn't agree more. One could trace any crime back to the environment/upbringing of the criminal; should we let all of them out, from pickpockets to rapists to inside traders, because what they did wasn't their fault? Where does one draw the line? $0.02 Michael T. Chaffee mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail .sig under construction. <----Excuse " 5094,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 122 In article dragon@angus.mi.org writes: >Exactly when will the hover test be done, Early to mid June. >and will any of the TV >networks carry it. I really want to see that... If they think the public wants to see it they will carry it. Why not write them and ask? You can reach them at: F: NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA ABC ""World News Tonight"" ""Face the Nation"" 7 West 66th Street CBS News New York, NY 10023 2020 M Street, NW 212/887-4040 Washington, DC 20036 202/457-4321 Associated Press ""Good Morning America"" 50 Rockefeller Plaza ABC News New York, NY 10020 1965 Broadway National Desk (212/621-1600) New York, NY 10023 Foreign Desk (212/621-1663) 212/496-4800 Washington Bureau (202/828-6400) Larry King Live TV ""CBS Evening News"" CNN 524 W. 57th Street 111 Massachusetts Avenue, NW New York, NY 10019 Washington, DC 20001 212/975-3693 202/898-7900 ""CBS This Morning"" Larry King Show--Radio 524 W. 57th Street Mutual Broadcasting New York, NY 10019 1755 So. 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Box 2626 1717 DeSales, NW Washington, DC 20013 Washington, DC 20036 703/998-2626 202/887-7364 ""This Week With David Brinkley"" ABC News 1717 DeSales, NW Washington, DC 20036 202/887-7777 ""Time"" magazine Time Warner, Inc. Time & Life Building Rockefeller Center New York, NY 10020 212/522-1212 -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 5095,3,"From: jimmyhua@aludra.usc.edu (Jimmy Huang) Subject: [Q] Connor PC 30204 jumper settings Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Anyone who knows this answer off-hand, please answer me by e-mail quickly ;). There is a pair of jumpers on one side, and a set of 3 or 4 on the other end. One is labeled, sync , and one CD, and E0 E1 E2. Whhich do I need to short, or disconnect to get drive to operate in slave mode? Give me a label or ""geographic label, as they have quite a few jumpers, and I don't wanna try the trial and error method... I am using IDE. I think this drive is SCSI compatible too. Jimmy jimmyhua@usc.edu " 5096,11,"From: Graham Toal Subject: Re: The battle is joined Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 27 In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: :In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: :>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the :>Administration even sooner than we feared. : :I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't :just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have :been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and :other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a :system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved. :If this guess is wrong, I apologize. I'm sure Dorothy Denning is an honest person and wouldn't lie to us. Simply think up a question to ask her about her involvement, but be very careful to phrase it in such a way that there can be no Jesuitical evasion or a true but wholly misleading answer. In this country, MI5 are *experts* at answering these questions; for instance there was a British journalist (Jonathon Moyle) killed in South America a couple of years ago. Parliament asked ""Was he an MI5 employee"" ""No."" - turns out afterwards he wasn't paid, therefore wasn't an employee. They could equally have said he wasn't an agent - he went abroad on his private business with no brief from MI5, but was interviewed and debriefed at length only *on his return*. G " 5097,14,"From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Nntp-Posting-Host: starman.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 32 In <1993Apr15.234154.23145@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work >on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have >some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital >prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for >another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with >major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a >set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions. Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or ""as-will-be"") for use as a reuseable sounding rocket? >Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of >this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next >year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR. Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the bastard Son of NLS. (And just as a reminder:) >Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made >for spending half on DC. >Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll >help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media >and get them to cover the flight tests. " 5098,15,"From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Subject: re: technology Reply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Organization: University of Technology Sydney Lines: 39 In article cathye@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >I am fairly new to this group. >I was wondering about people's opinions on >ethical uses of the net, and of technology in general. the classic references in this area are Jacques Ellul for a liberal/evangelical perspective and Os Guiness for a straight evangelical view. If you want to look at non-christian sources try Alvin Toffler as the perennial optimist. His views while blatently non christian explore where technology may be going. >For example, there are some chain letters going >around which claim to have been written by a Christian missionary, but >which present a misleading image of the Christian religion. This is regardless of technology. Be careful to separate the issues of related to speed and dispersion of technology (how far the letter went and how quickly it got there) and the message being passed in the technology (something that seems to be totally wrong.) >How can we help to make best use of computer technology ? When lecturing in this area I challenge my (non-christan/atheistic) class about the impact technology has on life, quality of life and the rights that they consider important. Depending on how you work out your faith will determine your response to the use of technology. For example friends of mine are considering IVF due to a life threatening situation the wife is going through; when it is over they will have the baby. (God willing). In this case the technology is available and my friends have to decide what to do. In all cases though you must decide if the technology is against God's revealed word. Regards David -- David Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\ | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007 | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864 / \ | 15-73 Broadway Sydney | Fax: +61 2 330 1807 \_.--._/ ""I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free"" v " 5099,13,"From: filipe@vxcrna.cern.ch (VINCI) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.125920.15005@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes... >In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: >>I think that's the correct spelling.. > >Crullerian. > How about Kirlian imaging ? I believe the FAQ for sci.skeptics (sp?) has a nice write-up on this. They would certainly be most supportive on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120Kvolt supply so that you can take a serious look at your ""aura""... :-) Filipe Santos CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics Switzerland " 5100,5,"From: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) Subject: Changing colors on a label - HELP Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply Lines: 21 Distribution: world Reply-To: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) NNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com I have a toggleButton widget (yes widget) and I have a routine which changes the color of the foreground and background of the label. Well, the background changes alright, but the label text does not redraw itself. I am guessing that I have to force it to redraw with an XExposeEvent sent to it via XSendEvent. Is this the best way to get the text up again? I can't seeem to get XSEndEvent to work right.... if this is a good approach, might anyone have an example lying around to show me how to do this? I've RTFM all evening and did not find a decent example. PS I keep getting Segmentation Faults in XSEndEvent, tho all the values are as expected. Thanks in Advance Stephen M. Dahmen " 5101,8,"From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright) Subject: Anybody tape Daytona? Organization: Pages Software Inc. Lines: 13 In article v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W Olszowy) writes: > I haven't seen anything about it yet, but if it's already been mentioned I'm > sorry for the repost. Anyways, TNN is showing Daytona on Sunday April 18 > at 7:00pm to 8:30pm (EST). Don't miss it. It's got a hell of a finish! Well, I looked for it and didn't manage to find it in my listings for TNN. Has anybody taped it VHS, and could they be persuaded to lend it to me after they watch it? I would be most greatful. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Wright ""Now how the hell did Pages Software Inc. DoD #0823 THAT come outa my mouth?"" '86 VFR700f2 " 5102,5,"From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Subject: Re: Printing ASCII 128 and above Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout Lines: 19 In article achar@ecn.purdue.edu (Lakshminarayana Achar) writes: >> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 >>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? >>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your >>> jokes:-)! >> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... >If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the >origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding. What about his rectum? -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 5104,8,"From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady) Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 4 There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit (Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes), and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I found in a rental store once " 5105,5,"From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) Subject: What determines the default X font? Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Lines: 10 I'm running X under openwindows 3. Normal X programs not having a font specified always show up in the same font - until I change the fontpath, and restart windows - then a new default font is used until the next change. I can't seem to figure out how it chooses. Is there some way to set this? Possibly something in .Xdefaults??? Please reply in direct email - I summarize. -- Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science, Lunds universitet. Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se " 5106,12,"From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen) Subject: Re: All Electronics Press and Peel PCB transfer Reply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems. Lines: 12 I think there is a huge difference in the materials and process for printer/toner PCB's. I get first time, everytime results from a local HP Postscript, and hardly ever works from copies of the same artwork. The printer results are so good that I have quit even looking for PC board processes. If I had to use the copier version, I would think I would look elsewhere. The moral? Experiment and find what works. Toner transfer CAN give excellent results. It, like any process, gives erratic results with variable inputs. R.G. " 5107,1,"From: bio1@navi.up.ac.za (Fourie Joubert) Subject: Image Analysis for PC Organization: University of Pretoria Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: zeno.up.ac.za Hi I am looking for Image Analysis software running in DOS or Windows. I'd like to be able to analyze TIFF or similar files to generate histograms of patterns, etc. Any help would be appreciated! __________________________________________________________________________ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ Fourie Joubert _/ _/ Department of Biochemistry _/ _/ University of Pretoria _/_/_/_/ _/ bio1@navi.up.ac.za _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ __________________________________________________________________________ " 5108,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: A loathesome subject Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr13.174636.15142@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes: > carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) wrote: # -# Just curious (don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable): # -# how many times have YOU had sex with boys? # # why do you care? if a total stranger asked you how often you had sex, # would you answer? # # # henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc. / Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500344:000:3833 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:50:00 1993 Lines: 78 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. /* Written 4:41 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. TORTURE."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. Newspaper: Ma'ariv Date: 18. December 1992 Author: Avi Raz Subject: Torture Title of article: Moderate physical pressure Several times in the course of the long hours in the interrogation room in Tulkarm prison, during which he says he was humiliated, beaten and tortured, Omar Daoud Jaber heard his interrogator, a Shabak agent 'Captain Louis', chatting on the phone with his wife. ""At those moments"", Omar said, ""I felt that he was like a humanbeing, but right after he finished talking, he would be beat me and say, 'You listened to the conversation and enjoyed yourself' and I understood that he was not really a human being"". In late October 1992, after 38 days in detention at Tulkarm prison, Omar Jaber was released without charges. ""Among the Jews, as among the Arabs, there are good people and bad people"", he said after his release, ""but there, in Tulkarm, in the interrogations rooms, you cannot find even one person about whom you can say that he is a human being"". Although he left the detention installation in Tulkarm bruised and humiliated (""I sat at home for ten days. My hands shook from nerves""), one may consider Omar Jaber lucky: He got out, not so healthy, but entire, and even ultimately returned to normal functioning, at the small solar heater plant he owns. In contrast, Hassan Bader al-Zbeidi, for example, was released seven weeks ago from detention in Tulkarm after 33 days in the Shabak wing, cut off from his surroundings. He doesn't speak or react. Mustafa Barakat, aged only 23, who was arrested in early August and was brought to the Tulkarm detention installation, left it one day later - dead. ""We have recently received an especially large number of testimonies concerning cruel tortures employed at the Tulkarm detention installation by Shabak interrogators"", noted Dr. Niv Gordon, director of the Association of Israel and Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights. (...) The right to complain against the Shabak does not excite Anan Saber Makhlouf, a 20 year old student. In fact, he was extremely fearful about describing the manner in which he was interrogated in Tulkarm prison, in case the publication in the paper would return him to detention and lead to renewed mistreatment. (...follow description of tortures....) Omar, a tall bearded man, was silent. ""I do not want to talk about it"", he finally said, quietly. Some time later, embarrased and ashamed, he spoke: ""Sometimes he beats you and beats you until you'll kiss his hand, and not only his hand. Even the hands of another interrogator, and another, whom he calls into the room, and the last interrogator says:"" Now you are kissing my hand, and later if I want, you will kiss my ass."" These things take place in an Israeli army detention installation, located within the military government compound in Tulkarm (West Bank). But the Shabak interrogation wing is a separate kingdom. In early March the IDF allowed representatives of B'Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Territories, to visit Tulkarm prison, but denied them access to the interrogation wing. ""The interrogation wing is Shabak property, being solely under Shabak responsibility. All interrogations are performed by it"", said Lieutnant Sharon Sho'an, the commander of the installation, according to the internal report written by B'tselem member, Yuval Ginbar, following the visit. Major David Pe'er, governing commander of the prison system in the Central Command, was quoted in the report: ""There is an ethical problem here - no one can enter the interrogation wing"". Transl. by I. Shahak " 5110,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >I think that you are confusing the words ""objective"" and ""inherent."" >>And objective system is simply one in which an outside observer who, >>given the postulates of the system, could perfectly judge any situation >>or action as consistent with the system (right) or not (wrong). You seem >>to be objecting because the goals of the system are not inherent. That is, >>you seem to want to define an objective system as one in which the >>postulates themselves could be determined by some outside observer. >>I don't think that this is a good definition of an objective system. >Then you need to learn English. Really>`? >Gravity is an objective system. Anybody can learn what it is, and perform >experiments. They will get the same results as every other person who >has performed those experiments. No, gravity is an inherent system. You don't need any excess information other than observations to determine anything. It is possible to objectively determine someone's guilt or innocence within an non-inherent system. I agree that morality is not necessarily inherent (unless you state that everything we do has an evolutionary basis), but this does not mean that it cannot be objective in theory. >This ""natural morality"" is not an objective system, as evidenced by >your comments about lions, and mine. Perhaps it can be objective, but not inherent. Anyway, as I noted before, the practices related to mating rituals, etc. among the animals are likely the only ones to be considered ""immoral"" under the previous ""definitions"" of the natural law. Therefore, some revisions are in order, since the class of activities surrounding mating seem to pose some general problems. >>And in fact, the only way that the postulates could be determined by an >>outsider would be if there were some sort of higher truth, like some >>sort of god or something. But, I do not think that a god is necessary >>for an objective system, while it seems that you do. >What are you trying to say here? It seens that you are objecting to the notion of an objective system because perhaps you think that it would imply inherence, which would necessitate some sort of grand design? >>No, I have classified behavior of most animals as in line with a >>moral system. It is certainly possible for animals to commit acts >>which are outside of their rules of ethics, but they don't seem to >>do so very often. Perhaps they are not intelligent enough to be >>immoral. >And perhaps it's because you have yet to define a ""moral"" system. I think I have. It is a code of ethics which basically defines undesired behaviors, etc. An immoral behavior could be unwanted, unproductive, or destructive, etc., depending on the goal of the system (that is, immoral to what end?). keith " 5111,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Galileo Update - 04/15/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 113 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Galileo, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director GALILEO MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT POST-LAUNCH April 9 - 15, 1993 SPACECRAFT 1. On April 9, real-time commands were sent, as planned, to reacquire celestial reference after completion of the Low Gain Antenna (LGA-2) swing/Dual Drive Actuator (DDA) hammer activities. 2. On April 9, the EJ-1 (Earth-Jupiter #1) sequence memory load was uplinked to the spacecraft without incident. This sequence covers spacecraft activity from April 12, 1993 to June 14, 1993 and includes a window for the Radio Relay Antenna (RRA) slew test on April 28, 1993. The command loss timer was set to 11 days as a part of this sequence memory load. 3. On April 12 and 15, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. 4. On April 12, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer (MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly. 5. On April 12, an Ultra-Stable Oscillator (USO) test was performed to verify the health status of the USO and to collect gravitational red shift experiment data; long term trend analysis is continuing. 6. On April 14, a 40bps modulation index test was performed to determine the optimal Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR) when transmitting at 40bps. Preliminary analysis of the data suggests that the present pre-launch selected modulation index is near the optimal level. 7. On April 15, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV) and Magnetometer (MAG) instrument. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly. 8. On April 15, a periodic RPM (Retro-Propulsion Module) 10-Newton thruster flushing maintenance activity was performed; all 12 thrusters were flushed during the activity. Thruster performance throughout the activity was nominal. 9. The AC/DC bus imbalance measurements have not exhibited significant changes (greater than 25 DN) throughout this period. The AC measurement reads 19 DN (4.3 volts). The DC measurement reads 111 DN (12.9 volts). These measurements are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team. 10. The Spacecraft status as of April 15, 1993, is as follows: a) System Power Margin - 60 watts b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 18 degrees off-sun (lagging) and 6 degrees off-earth (leading) e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1 f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within acceptable range g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS, EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within acceptable range j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours Time To Initiation - 260 hours GDS (Ground Data Systems): 1. Galileo participated in a second DSN (Deep Space Network) acceptance test for the DSN Telemetry Phase 3 Upgrade on April 13, 1993, using CTA-21 (Compatibility Test Area 21). The purpose of this test was to verify the flow of Galileo telemetry data through the new Telemetry Group Controller (TGC) and the Telemetry Channel Assembly (TCA). The TGC/TCA is the replacement for the current Telemetry Processing Assembly (TPA). Seven different telemetry rates were run for this test; all ran well on both the MTS (MCCC Telemetry Subsystem) and the AMMOS MGDS V18.0 GIF with the exception of 10bps. The 10bps rate had some trouble staying in lock; it appears the TGC/TCA was not metering the data correctly. Further comparisons between the MGDS and MTS data from this test are being conducted. MVT (Mission Verification Test) of the TGC/TCA system is expected to begin May 16, 1993. TRAJECTORY As of noon Thursday, April 15, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory status was as follows: Distance from Earth 152,606,000 km (1.02 AU) Distance from Sun 277,519,800 km (1.86 AU) Heliocentric Speed 93,400 km per hour Distance from Jupiter 543,973,900 km Round Trip Light Time 17 minutes, 4 seconds SPECIAL TOPIC 1. As of April 15, 1993, a total of 70184 real-time commands have been transmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 65076 were initiated in the sequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process. In the past week, 7 real time commands were transmitted: 6 were initiated in the sequence design process and one initiated in the real time command process. Major command activities included commands to reacquire celestial reference, uplink the EJ-1 sequence memory load, and reset the command loss timer. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. " 5112,3,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: EISA tape controllers Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com Is there a QIC-80 format tape drive that comes with an EISA controller ? Colorado's 250 only has ISA and MCA controllers. Thanks. e-mail please. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 5113,1,"From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) Subject: Re: MS-Windows graphics viewer? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 7 Check out Image Pals v1.2 from U-Lead (until May, special $99 intro price, 310-523-9393). It has the basic image processing tools for all major formats, does screen grabbing, and allows all your image files to be calalogged into a thumbnail database. It's great! Don " 5114,15,"From: ide!twelker@uunet.uu.net (Steve Twelker) Subject: Esotericism Organization: Interactive Development Environmenmts, SF Lines: 11 I'm compiling a bibliography on religious perspectives on esotericism, hermeticism, gnosticism, mysticism, occultism, alchemy and magic, and am interested in sources that others have found particularly interesting and insightful. I'm especially interested in medieval works, such as _The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz_ and Arthurian legends. Please feel free, too, to send personal opinions on any of the above, pro or con or anywhere in between. Thanks much. Stephen Twelker twelker@ide.com " 5115,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 32 In article dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: Good grief again. Why the anger? I must have really touched a raw nerve. Let's see: I had symptoms that resisted all other treatments. Sporanox totally alleviated them within one week. Hmmm, I must be psychotic. Yesss! That's it - my illness was all in my mind. Thanks Steve for your correct diagnosis - you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches, treating hundreds of patients a week. Thank you. I'm forever in your debt. Jon (oops, gotta run, the men in white coats are ready to take me away, haha, to the happy home, where I can go twiddle my thumbs, basket weave, and moan about my sinuses.) -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 5116,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Apology to Jim Meritt (Was: Silence is concurance) Distribution: usa Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 39 m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: >}So stop dodging the question. What is hypocritical about my >}criticizing bad arguments, given that I do this both when I agree >}with the conclusion and when I disagree with the conclusion? > >You are the one who has claimed to possess the fruits of precognition, >telepathy, and telempathy. Divine it yourself. Another dodge. Oh well. I'm no match for your amazing repertoire of red herrings and smoke screens. You asked for an apology. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out that your straw-man argument was a straw-man argument. Nor for saying that your list of ""bible contradictions"" shows such low standards of scholarship that it should be an embarrassment to anti-inerrantists, just as Josh McDowell should be an embarrassment to the fundies. Nor for objecting various times to your taking quotes out of context. Nor for pointing out that ""they do it too"" is not an excuse. Nor for calling your red herrings and smoke screens what they are. I'm still not sure why you think I'm a hypocrite. It's true that I haven't responded to any of Robert Weiss' articles, which may be due in part to the fact that I almost never read his articles. But I have responded to both you and Frank DeCenso (a fundie/inerrantist.) Both you and Frank have taken quotes out of context, and I've objected to both of you doing so. I've criticized bad arguments both when they were yours and I agreed with the conclusion (that the Bible is not inerrant), and when they were Frank's and I disagreed with the conclusion. I've criticized both you and Frank for evading questions, and for trying to ""explain me away"" without addressing the objections I raise (you by accusing me of being hypocritical and irrational, Frank by accusing me of being motivated by a desire to attack the Bible.) I don't see that any of this is hypocritical, nor do I apologize for it. I do apologize, however, for having offended you in any other way. Happy now? dj " 5117,4,"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse Organization: Stanford University Lines: 31 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article , geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper) writes: >In <5APR199312491648@utkvx.utk.edu> nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: > >>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? Mine >>lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what I can tell, >>it looks like Apple welded it shut. > > >By rotating the plate around the mouse ball counter-clockwise you can open >the mouse and clean it. It isn't as obvious as the Desktop Bus Mouse I but >it opens quite easily once you see what has to be done. > >-Geoff >-- >geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business > > If you don't vote... you don't count. I think the original poster meant opening the mouse, not just releasing the ball and getting to the rollers. I found that on the original ADB mouse, sometimes unscrewing the two halves allowed for easier cleaning. If the original poster has his answer, I'll ask: How do you open the new ergonomic mouse? By open, I mean split the two halves to get at the guts. It isn't obvious to me based on the 5 minute look I spent with one at the office yesterday as there are no visible screw heads. Mark " 5118,15,"From: anasaz!karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik) Subject: Re: Is ""Christian"" a dirty word? Organization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA Lines: 73 In article @usceast.cs.scarolina.edu:moss@cs.scarolina.edu (James Moss) writes: >I was brought up christian, but I am not christian any longer. >I also have a bad taste in my mouth over christianity. I (in >my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the >teachings of christ, but I cannot let myself be called a christian, >beacuse to me too many things are done on the name of christianity, >that I can not be associated with. A question for you - can you give me the name of an organization or a philosophy or a political movement, etc., which has never had anything evil done in its name? You're missing a central teaching of Christianity - man is inherently sinful. We are saved through faith by grace. Knowing that, believing that, does not make us without sin. Furthermore, not all who consider themselves ""christians"" are (even those who manage to head their own ""churches""). ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."" - Matt. 7:21. >I also have a problem with the inconsistancies in the Bible, and >how it seems to me that too many people have edited the original >documents to fit their own world views, thereby leaving the Bible >an unbelievable source. Again, what historical documents do you trust? Do you think Hannibal crossed the Alps? How do you know? How do you know for sure? What historical documents have stood the scrutiny and the attempts to dis- credit it as well as the Bible has? >I don't have dislike of christians (except for a few who won't >quit witnessing to me, no matter how many times I tell them to stop), >but the christian faith/organized religion will never (as far as i can >see at the moment) get my support. Well, it's really a shame you feel this way. No one can browbeat you into believing, and those who try will probably only succeed in driving you further away. You need to ask yourself some difficult questions: 1) is there an afterlife, and if so, does man require salvation to attain it. If the answer is yes, the next question is 2) how does man attain this salvation - can he do it on his own as the eastern religions and certain modern offshoots like the ""new age movement"" teach or does he require God's help? 3) If the latter, in what form does - indeed, in what form can such help come? Needless to say, this discussion could take a lifetime, and for some people it did comprise their life's writings, so I am hardly in a position to offer the answers here - merely pointers to what to ask. Few, of us manage to have an unshaken faith our entire lives (certainly not me). The spritual life is a difficult journey (if you've never read ""A Pilgrim's Progress,"" I highly recommend this greatest allegory of the english language). >Peace and Love >In God(ess)'s name >James Moss Now I see by your close that one possible source of trouble for you may be a conflict between your politcal beliefs and your religious upbringing. You wrote that ""I (in my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the teachings of christ"". Well, Christ referred to God as ""My Father"", not ""My Mother"", and while the ""maleness"" of God is not the same as the maleness of those of us humans who possess a Y chromosome, it does not honor God to refer to Him as female purely to be trendy, non-discriminatory, or politically correct. This in no way disparages women (nor is it my intent to do so by my use of the male pronoun to refer to both men and women - english just does not have a decent neuter set of pronouns). After all, God chose a woman as his only human partner in bringing Christ into the human population. Well, I'm not about to launch into a detailed discussion of the role of women in Christianity at 1am with only 6 hours of sleep in the last 63, and for that reason I also apologize for any shortcomings in this article. I just happened across yours and felt moved to reply. I hope I may have given you, and anyone else who finds himself in a similar frame of mind, something to contemplate. Karl Dussik " 5119,3,"From: hwstock@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (stockman harlan w) Subject: pentium clock counts Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 7 Does anyone have a list of the clock counts for pentium instructions -- or know if the INTEGER mul is down to 1 tick? Thanks, HW Stockman, hwstock@sandia.llnl.gov " 5120,1,"From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Subject: Call for presentations: Navy SciViz/VR seminar Reply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 74 ********************************************************************** 2ND CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland ********************************************************************** SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. ********************************************************************** DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. ********************************************************************** For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. ********************************************************************** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. ********************************************************************** Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick. " 5121,15,"From: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Subject: Could anyone answer this question??? Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 41 Cc: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event. (About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay?? I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose un-important, but I still can't help be curious! --------------------------------------------------- Ivan Thomas Barr Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk [The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is about the only thing we have from the author describing his process. The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do some investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that say a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are debates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them seriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die. One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words may have been made earlier than the current Gospels. In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal transmission of information. I think many people would have preferred to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather than from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a period when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used as sources for the existing Gospels. Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods used. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64 AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the Century. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the other. --clh] " 5122,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Flashing anyone? Keywords: flashing Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: >Hello all, > >On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals >flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of >tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I >switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will >be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. >Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making >transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the >average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll. >I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and >usually go to another booth. > >My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? This sounds like a VERY good thing to do. >Any others tend to do the same? I will now, whenever I don't have my handy-dandy automatic coin fetcher/toll payer (Annette :-) with me. Thanks for the tip. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 5123,4,"From: wls@calvin.usc.edu (Bill Scheding) Subject: Re: ""Full page"" PB screen Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu In article , ""Michael T. Callihan"" writes: |> Hi. I am working on a project for my marketing class and I'd like to |> ask your help. The assignment is to come up with a product and create a |> marketing plan for it. Technical issues are not terribly important at |> this point... I'm not surprised to learn that `Technical issues are not terribly important' to anyone working on a 'Marketing Plan' :) wls " 5124,1,"From: oved3b@kih.no (Ove Petter Tro) Subject: Re: need a viewer for gl files Organization: Kongsberg College of Engineering Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: knoll.kih.no In article <1qu36i$kh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: |> the subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)? Try xviewgl. (filename xviewgl_v1.1.tar.Z on lots of bases) - Ove -- - ----------==========###########==========-------- - // | ""What do you think \X/ (Yep, me too...) | this is? Real life?"" Ove Petter Tro, | - Ford Fairlane. Kongsberg College | of Engineering, Norway | email: ovep@kih.no - ----------==========###########==========-------- - " 5125,12,"From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) Subject: How to kill AC inductive load spiking? Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu Is there a fast 'n dirty way to kill the line spiking that occurs when an inductive load is turned on sometime other than at zero-crossing of the AC cycle? A capacitor kludged in somehow, etc? I've got a microcontroller that is running a bunch of valves and pumps in a big instrument washer, and almost everything is being switched with zero-crossing solid state relays, so that stuff stays ""quiet"", AC-wise. But there's one steam valve that gets turned on by a mechanical relay in the water tank fill/thermostat system, and it's not under control of my SSRs, and it does sometimes generate/radiate a spike that resets one of my peripheral chips. My software times out and tries again, but I'd love to just tack in a magic spike-killing fix that would avoid having to do some major rewiring/redesign. A varistor would help but might not be sufficient. Ideas? -- paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . . . . . . . . . happens . " 5126,8,"From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner Nntp-Posting-Host: hesh.cup.hp.com Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] Lines: 18 Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote: : As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but : right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money : down a rathole. i concur with this. the politics and bickering going on has ruined BMWMOA to me. because of the politics and fighting, i'm i'm going to let my current membership lapse when it's up for renewal. -- hesh p.s. BMWRA's On The Level is a far superiour publication in my opinion. " 5127,13,"From: vilok@bmerh322.bnr.ca (Vilok Kusumakar) Subject: Future of methanol Reply-To: vilok@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 23 I hope this is the correct newsgroup for this. What is the scoop on Methanol and its future as an alternative fuel for vehicles ? How does it compare to ethanol ? There was some news about health risks involved. Anybody know about that. How does the US Clean Air act impact the use of Methanol by the year 1995 ? I think its Methyl Tertiary butyl ether which the future industries will use as a substitute for conventional fuels. There is company Methanex which produces 12% of the world's supply of Methanol. Does anybody know about it ? Please reply by e-mail as I do not read these newsgroups. Thanks in advance. -- Vilok Kusumakar OSI Protocols for tomorrow...... vilok@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. Phone: (613) 763-2273 P.O. Box 3511, Station C Fax: (613) 765-4777 Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7 " 5128,12,"Subject: Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates From: sldf3@sol.ee.usu.edu (Weston R Beal) Distribution: world Organization: Utah State Univ. EE Nntp-Posting-Host: sol.ee.usu.edu Lines: 32 In article , rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: |> It seems reasonable to me that a microwave transmitter-receiver setup could |> do the job. For example, say you want to map an acre lot, it'd be convenient |> to place MW transmitters around the lot's periphery (either 2 or 3) and then |> carry a hand-held recorder and walk to a point on the lot, press a button and |> the coords of the recorder's location is stored as digital data. |> |> What's the chance of this working? Any systems like this already exist? |> What kind of accuracy could you expect? What would something like this |> cost to prototype? Is there a better alternative than microwaves? Of course you could develope this system, but there is already a system called Global Positioning Satellites. It gives three dimensional coordinates anywhere on earth. Many surveyors use this system with a differential receiver/transmitter to get coordinates within centimeters. Basic receivers with resolution of a few meters (on a good day) are available from many sources. -- WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMW \_ \_ \_\_\_ \_\_\_ Weston R Beal \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ sldf3@sol.ee.usu.edu \_ \_ \_ \_\_\_ \_\_\_ sldf3@cc.usu.edu \_\_ \_\_ \_ \_ \_ \_ Electrical Engineer \_ \_ \_ \_ \_\_\_ Utah State University ""That's the wonderful thing about crayons; they can take you to more places than a starship can."" - Guinon  " 5129,18,"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Distribution: usa Organization: HSH Associates Lines: 47 In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: > On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling > his so called stimulus package. > It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free > immunizations for poor kids. > So now Clinton is claiming that the republicans are holding the health of > poor kids hostage for blatantly political gains. > > Aside from the merits (or lack thereof) of another free immunization program, > just what is such a program doing in a bill that is supposedly about > creating jobs. Jobs? What the hell have jobs to do with it? It's another touchy-feely program from the new, vapid administration. The fact is, the major claim made for ""universal"" immunization -- that ""all children will be immunized"" -- has absolutely no validity. Several states already have U.I. programs, have had these programs for _years_. The result: on average, their success rates are no better than the national average. It seems that the gummint hasn't yet figured out a way to MAKE parents bring their kids in. Yet another case of shameless demagoguery from the ""new"" Democrats, the ""agents of change."" > If Clinton is so hot to get this immunization program, why doesn't he and > the democrats just introduce it as a stand alone bill. Isn't it possible > that Clinton is the one doing the blatant political (read pork) manipulations > here. He is telling the republicans, pass my muti-billion dollar package, > or I will go to the people and tell them that you are opposed to > immunizing poor kids. What? Clinton using this issue for _partisan gain_? Do tell. > I have never thought highly of Clinton, but stunts like this lower my > opinion of him even further. > > I thought one of Clinton's campaign themes was that he was going to be > a new kind of politician. This kind of manuevering would have made LBJ > proud. All together now... c'mon, you know the words... ""Meet the new boss! Same as the old boss!"" And the chorus: ""We won't get fooled again!"" ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. " 5130,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: NIH offers ""Exploratory Grants For Alternative Medicine"" Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr9.172945.4578@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes: >In article <19493@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >>One problem is very few scientists are interested in alternative medicine. > >So Gordon, why do you think this is so? >-- Probably because most of them come packaged with some absurd theory behind them. E.G. homoeopathy: like cures like. The more you dilute things, the more powerful they get, even if you dilute them so much there is no ingredient but water left. Chiropractic: all illness stems from compressions of nerves by misaligned vertebrae. Such systems are so patently absurd, that any good they do is accidental and not related to the theory. The only exception is probably herbalism, because scientists recognize the potent drugs that derive from plants and are always interested in seeing if they can find new plants that have active and useful substances. But that isn't what is meant by alternative medicine, usually. If you get into the Qi, accupuntunce charts, etc, you are now back to silly theories that probably have nothing to do with why accupuncture works in some cases. Perhaps another reason they are reluctant is the Rhine experience. Rhine was a scientist who wanted to investigate the paranormal and his lab was filled with so much chacanery and fakery that people don't want to be associated with that sort of thing. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5131,3,"From: adcock@bnr.ca (Doug Adcock) Subject: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Lines: 26 I've been intently following the MAG thread while waiting for mine to arrive in the mail. There seems to be a lot of complaints about minor alignment problems with the MX15F. One article contained a comment that the owner called the factory and was told that his screen rotation was within spec (1/4""). Well, my monitor arrived last night and, sure enough, it has a very noticable barrel distortion. It's not dramatic, but it is there and it is especially noticable when the image doesn't fill the entire screen. The fact that it is worse on the right side doesn't help matters. What I'm trying to find out is if these minor imperfections are the norm or are most of their monitors perfect? I don't want to send it back and get one with the same or an even worse problem. Does the factory consider this kind of thing normal and ship their monitors with less than perfect alignment? Are other netters just living with these kind of imperfections? -- ............................................................... : Comments and opinions are mine - not BNR's : : Doug Adcock adcock@bnr.ca : : Bell-Northern Research Research Triangle Park, NC : ............................................................... " 5132,8,"From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 18 Bill Ranck writes: >As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but >right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money >down a rathole. > When you guys sort this out let me know. > ><-- >******************************************************************************* >* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * >* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * >******************************************************************************* Ditto for me.. -Tim Seiss '92K75S '89KX250 " 5133,15,"From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 70 db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >Mark Schnitzius writes: >>> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >>>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. >> >>This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings >>die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one ""wail >>and gnash teeth"" with no lungs and no teeth? >One can feel physical pain by having a body, which, if you know the >doctrine of the resurrection of the body, is what people will have after >the great judgement. ""We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the >life of the world to come."" - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. You >will have both body and soul in hell - eventually. Now this is getting interesting! I was raised Roman Catholic before becoming an atheist, so I have stated this Creed you quote nearly every Sunday until I was about 18. For some reason, I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean the raising of the physical body. I have some questions on this point: 1. I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right now. You seem to be implying that it will not occur until after the ""great judgement"" (which I read as meaning the proverbial Judgment Day). I was always a little confused on this point, even when I was with the church -- maybe someone can clear it up for me. Where will my ""soul"" (which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time? 2. Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch? My physical body now is susceptible to aging, etc. -- so I guess my new body will have to be radically different in order to be immortal so it can be tortured for all eternity? 3. Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical place to exist in -- where is this hell? In the center of the earth? Do you think we could find it if we dig? Mark Schnitzius schnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu Univ. of Central Florida [There is not complete agreement on the details of the afterlife. I think the most common view is that final disposition does not occur until a final judgement, which is still in the future. In the meantime, some believe that people ""sleep"" until the final resurrection (or because God is above time, pass directly from death to the future time when the resurrection occurs), while others believe that souls have a disembodied, pre-resurrection existence until then. There are probably other alternatives that I'm omitting. The new body is generally conceived of being implemented in a different ""technology"" than the current one, one which is not mortal. (Paul talks about the mortal being raised to immortality, and Jesus' resurrected body -- which is the first example -- clearly was not subject to the same kind of limitations as ours.) It is assumed that there are enough similarities that people will recognize each other, but I don't think most people claim to know the details. I don't think I'd say it's the same atoms. I'd assume there would be some analog of a physical place, but I wouldn't expect to find it under the earth or up in the sky. I'd suspect that it's in another dimension, outside this physical world, or whatever. But again, we have little in the way of details. --clh] " 5134,4,"From: donovan@bnr.ca (Marc Donovan) Subject: Re: I want use DeskJet on System7 Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh1ee Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa Distribution: comp Lines: 30 In article mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Tsuyoshi Mori) writes: >I used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5. > >But now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1, >then I can not print by my DeskJet. >Is the Grappler LS old ? >Can I use DeskJet on System7 ? >Please tell me how to use DeskJet on System7. >Thank you >-- >FROM JAPAN mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp I currently use an HP DeskJet with Grappler LS ver 1.0, and it works on System7. Course, I only use the SWA Dutch and SWA Swiss fonts that came with it, due to the 4x size requirement to print to the HP. (ie: must have 40pnt definition to print a 10pnt font) When I upgraded, I talked to Orange Micro, and they state that ver 1.2 of Grappler LS definitely works with System7. However, the upgrade was US$40, so I passed. Hope this helps? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Donovan donovan@bnr.ca [Voice: (613) 765-2868 Fax: (613) 763-9250] ---- Disclaimer: I am the only one responsible for my opinions. " 5135,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: ""High Power"" Assault guns Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr14.143825.13476@stortek.com> vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) writes: > Alaska with 1 UZI, 1 20 rnd Magazine, and 1 BIG Polar bear @ ^ I'd make that, ""1 BIG, MAD, and HUNGRY with CUBS NEARBY Polar bear @..."" Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 5136,1,"From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) Subject: VESA as a graphics standard Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 7 In the UIBM PC world, how much of a ""standard"" has VESA become for SVGA graphics? I know there are lots of graphics-board companies out there, as well as several graphics chips manufacturers- are they adhering to the VESA standard, and what effect is/will the VESA Local Bus have on all of this? Anyone? " 5137,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: HYPOGLYCEMIA X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 31 anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) writes: A(> Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is A(> dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the A(> other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood A(> test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo- A(> glycemic? TIA. A(> A(> A(> Anthony Anello A(> Fermilab A(> Batavia, Illinois Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the proper channels, you might consider ther following: 1) Chelated Manganese 25-50mg/day. 2) Chelated Chromium 400-600mcg/day. 3) Increase protein through foods or supplements. 4) Avoid supplements/foods high in Potassium, Calcium, Zinc. 5) Avoid Vit C supplements in excess of 100mg. 6) Avoid honey and foods high in simple sugars. 7) Enjoy breads, cereals, grains... Discuss the above with your health practitioner for compatibility with your body chemistry and safety. --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: BEER - It's not just for breakfast anymore. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 5138,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 25 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / steiner@jupiter.ca.boeing.com / 12:07 am Apr 15, 1993 / >douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: >[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] > >> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic >> bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack? > >last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. Also, you need to consider our legal system. Since any of these things CAN be lethal, you are going to have a hard time explaining why you applied lethal force when you DIDN'T think it was necessary. (If you thought lethal force was necessary, you wouldn't be using rubber bullets, would you?) Ouch. If you are justified in shooting them at all, you are justified in using the best self defense ammunition you can get your hands on. It might actually IMPROVE the legal outcome. This is why hollow points hold up in court. They are safer for you, safer for innocent by standers, (don't as a rule go through the perp) and actually safer for the perp. If you are using military hard ball, you may have to shoot him 'MANY' times, where one or two hollow points might stop him and do the job. As a rule, the fewer wound channels, the better the chance for his surviving the incident. Rick " 5139,18,"From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () Subject: A Rational Viewpoint ---> was Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Santa Cruz Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu In article dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes: > >Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon >homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot >of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged >to develop ""non-promiscuous"" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks >put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual >community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays >are immoral. ""My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might >just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"" > >Just some thoughts. Flame away. :) > >Dan This is a very good point. One that I have held for sometime. We do not allow people to develop on the paths that they choose or desire. Even with heterosexuals we tend to leave some hanging in the sense of knowledge and information about sexuality and relationships. It is very difficult for a young person to develop and build a positive view of themself when they are constantly being told implicitly and explicitly that they are wrong and immoral. The concepts about personal relationships are deeply embedded in emotionalism and fear- these fears cover a wide range, but mostly jealousy and lack of trust seem to be cornerstones of modern day American relationships. We also set on top of this the concepts of Madison Avenue attractiveness and standards and put the pressure on to measure up. " 5140,5,"From: jhcox@kodak.com (James Cox) Subject: Xterm Problem With Input Focus / ""Shuffle Up"" Keywords: Xterm, Tektronics, Input Focus, Shuffle up Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: b56vxg News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 The situation: running a Fortran executable that creats an Xterm. An option in the menu contained in the Xterm runs a Fortran subroutine that creats a Tektronics-mode Xterm for displaying some graphics. Typing a while the Tektronics-mode Xterm (future reference to this will be ""Tek-term"") is active makes the Xterm read future keystrokes but does not shift input focus to the Xterm (I'm basing that statement on the fact that the border of the Tek-term stays the highlighted color and that the Tek-term stays on top of Xterm. If what I'm describing isn't input focus, let me know.) The xterm can be brought to the top by clicking the mouse button on it. Subsequent selections from the Xterm of the menu item that displays graphics highlihts the border and displays the updated graphics, but does not move the Tek-term to the top. If the Tek-term has been iconized to conserve screen space, it stays an icon. The desired behavior: one of two options - 1. Whichever of the windows that is active is always on top of the inactive one. 2. Whenever the Tek-term is inactivated, it should revert to a icon but when it is activated it should become a window on a higher level than the Xterm. What I think I need: a means of specifying that a Xterm or Tek-term will be at the highest level and a way to iconify/expand a Xterm and Tek-term. These commands, would, I'd guess, need to be in the Fortran or in the command that starts up the Xterm and Tek-term. Other information: All this is taking place on a VT-1300 (a DEC dumb X-windows terminal) connected to a VAX running VMS and Motif. Thanks for your time. If you've got any words of wisdom (other than ""give up"" ;-), please send email to jhcox@Kodak.com " 5141,6,"From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Distribution: na Lines: 23 Jeff Later writes: > MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------[new]-------$1200.00 > Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!! I'm sure that the Motorola is worth it, but this kind of thing has always mystified me. $400 is the price of very good, new dual-band, fully synthasized HT. Yes, yes, I know Motorola HTs are bullet-proof, unbreakable, plutonium-based indestructable -- you can drive a tank over them and they'll still work. But just how often does that come up? Why are hams willing (and they *are*) to spend the price of a synthaszied dual-bander for a 2-channel xtal rig??? Note: this is not a flame; as I said, I'm sure this is a good deal for this rig. I'm just amazed that it *is* a good deal. I would have guessed that a 2 channel xtal rig could never be worth as much as a dual- bander to a ham, no matter how durable. Just shows you how wrong *I* can be. Mike, N4PDY ****************************** * These are my opinions only.* ****************************** " 5142,1,"From: harti@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann (Behse)) Subject: Genoa graphics board Drivers FTP site! Article-I.D.: mailgzrz.1qpf1r$9ti Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de Hi, well I have opened up a FTP site for getting the latest software drivers for Genoa graphics cards. Here is how to access it: ftp 192.109.42.11 login:ftp password:ftp cd pub/genoa ls -l binary prompt hash (now if you wanna have the latest drivers for the 7900 board) cd 7000series mget * quit This is the sequence to get the drivers. If you have any further question, please email me. Best regards, Stefan Hartmann email to: harti@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de " 5143,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: health care reform Article-I.D.: pitt.19408 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 24 In article custer@wrc.wrgrace.com (Linda Custer) writes: >This is my first post, and I am not even sure it will work. Here goes. > >Did anyone read the editorial on page 70 in the 29 march 1993 edition of Time >Magazine, noting that managed care is extremely inefficient? Of all the possible >clients that Billary could be pandering to, the insurance industry is the worst! > >Comments? I agree. Adding layers of managers and bureaucrats simply eat up money that could be spent on those who actually are doing the work such as doctors and nurse, and supplies. The most efficient system is probably one that has limited management and a fixed budget such as England's or even Canada's. I'm afraid we are on the wrong track. The problem may be that the insurance lobby is too powerful. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5144,1,"From: se92psh@brunel.ac.uk (Peter Hauke) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 20 joachim lous (joachim@kih.no) wrote: : ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: : > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? Yep, here's a theory that I once heard bandied around. Rather than thinking of the number think of the sound. For Tea Two. A sort of anagram on Tea For Two, Two for Tea, For Tea Two. :-) Peter -- *********************************** * Peter Hauke @ Brunel University * *---------------------------------* * se92psh@brunel.ac.uk * *********************************** " 5145,2,"Subject: re: WINBENCH 3.11 help -- graphics comparison?!? From: srg3sir@grv.grace.cri.nz Distribution: world Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz Lines: 25 In article swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) writes: >I have a question about WINBENCH (pc labs thing) 3.11.. > >I have a 386/33 and a Ahead B (512k) card and got these results- > >windows vga driver - 2.44 million >ahead B (640-480-256) driver - 455,000 winmarks >windows svga (800-600-16) driver - 1.68 million winmarks... > >I was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card.. I read it had about >8 million winmark.. > >obviously this is MUCH MUCH greater... but is this in 256-color mode or what? >is this a good card...street price is about $170... On my 386dx 33Mhz 4Mb RAM Winbench 2.5 24x v2.02 16.7M 1,668,274 v2.03 16.7M 1,668,985 v2.03 16 4,602,428 v2.03 256 7,635,278 Richard Mayston maystonr@grace.cri.nz " 5146,13,"From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) Organization: chevron Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 In article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes: > > > I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic > predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). > Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. > > Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger > brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their > nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin > that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, > or other techniques. > -- My 6 year son is so plagued. Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems to keep it under control. But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for days! Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute. But again, the vaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring. Bev Zalan " 5147,4,"From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez) Subject: using 1.4 Mb disks with Mac II? Article-I.D.: gandalf.Apr.6.13.20.40.1993.1397 Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 11 Do you need to get a ROM upgrade to use a 1.4 Mb floppy drive with a Mac II? Or are there 3rd party drives which work with the Mac II's own ROMs? Thanks, Ralph -- Ralph Gonzalez, Computer Science, Rutgers Univ., Camden, NJ Phone: (609) 225-6122; Internet: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu -- " 5148,8,"Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 11 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: {drinking & riding} > It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says ""eight hours, bottle > to throttle"" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify > a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than > twice as strict as DWI minimums. 0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 ! -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca " 5149,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING Summary: usually generated by those who can't live with themselves! Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 37 THE FOLLOWING POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS! [FORGED] Newsgroups:soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics. [FORGED] soviet,soc.culture.greek [FORGED] From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) [FORGED] News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 [FORGED] Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center [FORGED] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 21:36:00 GMT [FORGED] Lines: 293 [FORGED] [FORGED] Dear friends, [FORGED] [FORGED] I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. [FORGED] . . . [FORGED] [FORGED] [FORGED] __QUESTIONNAIRE__ [FORGED] Teaching Music for deaf children. [FORGED] [FORGED] NAME ________________________________ [FORGED] ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ [FORGED] EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ [FORGED] YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ [FORGED] EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ [FORGED] PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ THE ABOVE POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 5150,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: The Dayton Gun ""Buy Back"" (Re: Boston Gun Buy Back) Lines: 23 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a >gun ""buy back"". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in. >They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of >some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another >media-event brought to you by HCI. > >Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100 >to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit >tacky, but hey, whatever works. Ack, what a public relations nightmare just begging happen. ""Gun Lobby pays vigilanties."" ""NRA to shell out dough to gunfighters."" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 5151,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Sweden-Finland, April 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 119 Played in Scandinavium, Gothenburg, April 15 1993: ================================================== SWEDEN - FINLAND 6-6 (1-2,3-1,2-3) 1st: SWE 1-0 Peter Popovic (Markus Naslund) 6:10 FIN 1-1 Ville Siren (Keijo Sailynoja) 8:44 (pp) FIN 1-2 Juha Riihijarvi (Timo Saarikoski,Vesa Viitakoski) 13:12 (pp) 2nd: FIN 1-3 Jari Korpisalo (Kari Harila,Rauli Raitanen) 6:48 SWE 2-3 Jan Larsson (Mikael Renberg,Stefan Nilsson) 7:25 SWE 3-3 Hakan Ahlund (Thomas Rundqvist) 8:56 SWE 4-3 Roger Akerstrom (Roger Hansson) 9:13 3rd: SWE 5-3 Stefan Nilsson (Patrik Juhlin,Charles Berglund) 2:20 FIN 5-4 Keijo Sailynoja 9:23 FIN 5-5 Keijo Sailynoja 9:44 (ps) SWE 6-5 Mikael Renberg (Hakan Ahlund,Thomas Rundqvist) 17:16 FIN 6-6 Jari Korpisalo 17:44 Shots on goal: Penalties: Attendance: Referee: Sweden 8 10 10 - 28 5*2min 6,799 Peter Andersson Finland 12 10 11 - 33 6*2min,1*10min (Sweden) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sweden opened the scoring as Markus Naslund made a drop pass at the Finnish blue line, Popovic picked it up and advanced towards the Finnish goal and shot a nice hard wrist shot in Ketterer's top corner. Ville Siren's slap shot from the blue line on power play made it 1-1, and Juha Riihijarvi scored a nice goal in another power play when he close in front of goal put the puck high over Aslin, 1-2 after the first period. The Finns started the second period with really good pressure. Korpisalo made it 1-3 with another goal from close range high over Aslin. Then, during the Finnish pressure, Sweden turned the game around in 1:47. Mikael Renberg worked hard behind the Finnish goal, and passed the puck to Jan Larsson in front, who backhanded the puck low, 2-3. Rundqvist entered the Finnish zone and passed to Ahlund, and the Finnish defense let Ahlund skate in and take a shot that Ketterer dropped into the goal, 3-3. Next, Roger Hansson -behind the goal- sent the puck back to the blue line where Roger Akerstrom took a slap shot and Ketterer didn't see the puck since there was traffic in front, 4-3. Third period started with a nice goal by Stefan ""the Shadow"" Nilsson. Stefan and Patrik Juhlin entered the Finnish zone, Patrik passed the puck back to Stefan who alone with Ketterer made no mistake, 5-3. Then, Keijo Sailynoja show started. He reduce and equalized the lead in only 21 seconds! First he scored the 5-4 goal, and after that he came in alone with Aslin but was tripped by Aslin to get a penalty shot. Sailynoja made a nice penalty shot, showed forehand and put in with a low backhand shot. The Swedes seemed to head for a win when Mikael Renberg scored the 6-5 goal late in the game on a nice power play combination. Renberg waited in the slot, showed that he wanted the puck on the backhand side, Ahlund passed the puck and Renberg took a turnaround shot low in Ketterer's goal's far side. But Jari Korpisalo had other plans as he only 28 seconds later scored the game's final goal to make it 6-6. Korpisalo took a slap shot from a narrow angle that -maybe- Aslin should have saved. All in all, a decent game where the defense wasn't the best. Both teams juggled around the lines a bit in the second and third period to try no combinations. Renberg and Rundqvist plays well together in the Swedish team. Larsson- Nilsson-Juhlin best line overall again, it seems to be a working WC line. Stillman good on defense. Some players aren't good enough for the WC though. Hakan Ahlund (faell ner hjaelmen och jobba!), Roger Hansson, Challe Berglund, Kenny Jonsson will likely have to leave for NHL pros. Two-goal scorers Jari Korpisalo and Keijo Sailynoja played well in the Finnish team. Markus Ketterer didn't have a very good game, we've seen him a lot better, so Lindfors is probably Finland's starting goalie in the WC. I heard that Esa Tikkanen will join the Finnish team. It would be inter- resting to know which other pros coach Matikainen counts on for the WC. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Starting lines: SWEDEN FINLAND 35. Peter Aslin 30. Markus Ketterer 8. Kenneth Kennholt 2. Mikko Haapakoski 14. Fredrik Stillman 3. Ville Siren 10. Hakan Ahlund 28. Jarkko Varvio 9. Thomas Rundqvist 40. Mika Nieminen 29. Mikael Renberg 18. Keijo Sailynoja 27. Roger Akerstrom 4. Erik Hamalainen 7. Arto Blomsten 8. Kari Harila 20. Jan Larsson 25. Rauli Raitanen 4. Stefan Nilsson 26. Petri Varis 5. Patrik Juhlin 14. Jari Korpisalo 3. Peter Popovic 5. Timo Jutila 32. Stefan Larsson 44. Harri Laurila 11. Roger Hansson 24. Juha Riihijarvi 33. Fredrik Nilsson 22. Timo Saarikoski 24. Peter Ottosson 11. Vesa Viitakoski 6. Pasi Sormunen 12. Janne Laukkanen 19. Markus Naslund 29. Juha Ylonen 21. Peter Forsberg 27. Timo Peltomaa 18. Jonas Bergqvist 17. Marko Palo Played parts of the game: 22. Charles Berglund 15. Mika Alatalo 6. Kenny Jonsson 16. Saku Koivu 20. Marko Palo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 5152,3,"From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood) Subject: Orchid P9000 vs Fahrenheit (mini review) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 79 I just purchased a Viewsonic 17 and and Orchid P9000. In short, I am happy with the monitor and unhappy with the card. I have spent a lot more time futzing with the card, so that is what I am going to write about. The monitor is pretty. The moires I had under Simcity on my 17"" Magnavox went away. It isn't as heavy as I thought it would be (45 lbs, I think). So much for the monitor. On to the bitch session and test results. In going with the modern trend, the Orchid P9000 card only supports 16 colors in 640x480 mode without a driver. Of course, this breaks any DOS program which uses SVGA modes (like most of my CD-ROMs). The Compudyne Whiplash VGA, Orchid Fahrenheit 1280, and Orchid F. VLB all share this limitation. Those are all S3 cards, which means it is an S3 problem for them (the P9000 uses a Weitek VGA chip which also doesn't support them). The Hercules Graphite card does seem to have these modes, but I didn't run the same test cases as I did on the other boards during the brief time I had it. It was able to print the splash screen for the Grolier's Encyclopedia, though, which the S3 cards just printed as hash, which is why I suspect the SVGA modes are supported. The supported resolutions really annoy me. You can do 1280x1024 at 75Hz if you tell the driver you have an NEC 5FG (they only have about six monitors listed plus 'Generic', and if you choose Generic you can't get any high refreshes at ALL). But at 1024x768 you are limited to 70Hz. Seems to me that the hardware should be able to support the bandwidth (if it can do 75Hz at 1280 it sure should be able to do it at 1024!). Higher vertical resolution was the main reason I bought the card over the Orchid F. VLB I currently have, and it will do 1024x768x70 Hz as well. The higher graphics modes all crash HP Dashboard. I just got off the phone with Orchid, and with the 1.1 drivers (I don't know what I have) he was unable to recreate the problem. On the plus side, their tech rep was as helpful as he could be and booted up the program on his computer to verify he didn't have the problem. He didn't know why they limited the refresh to 70 Hz either. The board is faster that the OFVLB for most things according to the Hercules Speedy program. This program tests various operations and reports the results in pixels/second. I don't have the numbers for the Graphite card, but they were close to half of the OFVLB (ie, slower) but that was running in a 20MHz 386, ISA, so the numbers aren't really comparable. The following numbers were all obtained using a 486, 33 MHz, AIR motherboard (UMC chipset), with 8 MB memory. I give ranges because the program reports the numbers as it computes them, and these tend to jump around a bit. K means thousand (not 1024), M means million, pixels per second Orchid Fahrenheit VLB Orchid P9000 Chip S3 805 Weitek 9000 DIB to Screen 182K - 190K 228K - 240K Memory to Screen 5.9M - 6.2M 8.4M - 8.9M Screen to Screen 14M - 14.8M 29M - 30.8M Vector, solid 2.4M 2.8M - 2.9M Vector, styled 55K - 58K 449K - 473K Polygon, shaded 1.8M - 2.1M 1.6M - 1.9M Polygon, hatched 6.9M - 7.9M 1.3M - 1.7M Ternary Rops 1.9M - 2.4M 477K - 520K Font 130K - 160K 46K - 55K / 1.2M The DIB to Screen test takes a device independent bitmap of a face and transfers it to the screen. I have no idea what is being done internally as far as conversions go. The memory to screen takes the same face and copies it to the screen, my guess is after it has been rasterized into a bitmap that can just be copied to the video display. The screen to screen test copies that face from place to place on the screen. Awesome! Interestingly, the solid vectors and shaded polygons show no improvement, and hatched polygons (ie, filled with cross-hatching) and Ternary Rops (whatever they are. Graphics operations like XORs maybe????) are a dead loss on the 9000. I give two numbers for the 9000 fonts, because I think they are caching. When the fonts are first drawn on the screen they are done fairly slowly -- 1/3 the speed of the OFVLB. Then the speed increases dramatically. Sounds like programming to a benchmark to me.... I make no claims that these numbers mean anything at all. Its just what I saw when I ran them on my computer. I normally don't write disclaimers, but this time maybe I'd better. My testing is totally unconnected with my work (I program under UNIX on Decstations) is done completely without the knowledge, blessing, or equipment of my company. geoff sherwood " 5153,6,"From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder) Subject: Bware of JayHayes/Deleware Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 10 Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net. DA " 5154,16,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Impeach Clinton, Reno Summary: civil rights violations Keywords: confession TV Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 21 Fact: Both Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have admitted responsibility, even grief, over the deaths in Waco. Fact: Regardless of who started the fire, there are more than enough things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two. Cruel and unusual punishment (dying tortured rabbits on tape?) come to mind. Fact: It is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of law; where death is involved, this offense carries a penalty of life in prison. Fact: Impeachment is allowable for ""high crimes and misdemeanors."" Anything that's a federal felony should qualify. Conclusion: We have NO CHOICE, if we are an honest people, but to impeach Mr. Clinton, and remove Reno from office. Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) wearer of asbestos underoos " 5155,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 83 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: >> >> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present > >They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen >would be shot at. > >>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions. > >They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released >non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building. Take a second look at ""non-toxic, non-flammable"": MACE (sold tothe public) is supposedly nontoxic. Whatthey do not tell you is that if you get mace directly on the linings of the lungs (such as a direct snort to the face) above certain quantities, it reacts similarly to a mustard gas inhalation. I know: my father and grandfather were exposed to poison gas in WWI and WWII; Dad went through the side effects of any WEAPON, including those ""non-toxic"" aerosols. WHat the label ACTUALLY means is :: usually, it wont kill you it may give you permanent CSS asthsma but that's better than blowing a hole in your head ... ALL aerosols are flammable IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN AND HIT IT WITH THE RIGHT IGNITER. SOme of the most non-flammable substances known will BOOM or SEARFLAME if you hit it with the right combo. Let's take one: a trash can fire. Makes black smoke; already burned right? Can't go boom, right? Wrong. Suck that smoke (made up of paper that has carbonized, or burned about 35% of the fuel in it) into an air conditioning return, mix with about 5:1 air, and light a match. 200 feet of conduit is about the same, when filled with that smoke mixture, as oh, say 200 pounds TNT THAT is why the fire codes say NO OPEN CEILING TILES IN BUILDINGS. Because 3-5 stories of a building have blown OUT by ""nonflammable _smoke_"" So: Take a little ""nonflammable aerosol"" Mix with gasoline or kerosene fumes NO electricity, remeber? A bit of heating on the WACO plains? Boil water to drink since the water was cut off? liberally mix and allow to settle for 1-4 hours Fumes vent down into the bus underground, and the Davidians move the children UPSTAIRS to a saferoom (they had one, armor plated, remember?) to BREATH, because kids get sick and die from tear gas. and along comes a tracer, a spark, what have you: everyone burns to death. Try thinking before opening mouth: it may not have happened the way the Gmen say it did. > >-- >_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun >/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire >_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. > / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. > / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 5156,2,"From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky) Subject: .GIF to .BMP Organization: Motorola, Inc. Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.164 Lines: 12 Does anybody have any idea where I could find a program that can convert a .GIF image into a .BMP image suitable for a Windows wallpaper (i.e. 256 colors). Hopefully there's something out there I can get from an ftp site somewhere... Thanks in advance... Scott " 5157,1,"From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: Stay Away from MAG Innovision!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 10 In <16BB58B33.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes: >My Mag MX15F works fine.................... Mine was beautiful for a year and a half. Then it went . I bought a ViewSonic 6FS instead. Another great monitor, IMHO. -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" " 5158,10,"From: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Voecking) Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf Originator: voecking@hphalle5c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: |> In pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: |> |> > |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. |> |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us? As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player who was born in Canada but now has a German passport). Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play for Germany in the WC. The other Canada-born forwards are: Peter-John Lee (has British passport) Chris Valentine Dale Dercatch Steve Gootas Earl Spry (?) At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind: Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf Volker " 5159,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr13.104856.25246@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes: > In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > >In article <15283@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # ##For a while, homosexuals paid higher insurance rates than straights, # ##and with very good reason, until the government made it illegal to # ##do so. # # Well if we go by this philosophy how many Children do you think # we help pay for with our insurance premiums??? Children who obviously # cannot be afforded, since the insurance companies have to pay for # all of the prenatal and birthing..... What about the children born # with horrible flaws who cost the system an arm and a leg to be kept alive? # We all pay because we are all part of this society and we should take # care of one another..... Oddly enough, dependent coverage costs a bit more than for one self alone. But if you really believe your claims, you could make a lot of money starting the ""Homosexuals Health Insurance Co."" and refuse to insure ""breeders."" But I shudder to think what your premiums will be like. # Bil Snodgrass III -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 5160,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1r6f3a$2ai@news.umbc.edu> rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) writes: >how the length of the daylight varies with the time of the year. >Experiment with various choices of latitudes and tilt angles. >Compare the behavior of the function at locations above and below >the arctic circle. If you want to have some fun. Plug the basic formulas into Lotus. Use the spreadsheet auto re-calc, and graphing functions to produce bar graphs based on latitude, tilt and hours of day light avg. pat " 5161,2,"From: rbarclay@trentu.ca (ROSS BARCLAY) Subject: TWAIN drivers for Logitech Scanman News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: Trent Computing and Telecommunications Department Lines: 11 Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew whether or not Logitech had Windows TWAIN drivers for the Scanman. If so, are the drivers on the net somewhere? My Scanman is the model one down from the Scanman 256. Thanks in advance. Ross Barclay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ross Barclay -- RBarclay@TrentU.Ca Peterborough, Ontario " 5162,4,"From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Sampling CD audio (was Re: What to put in Centris 650...) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 28 ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >In article , bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>> >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options >>>button next to the microphone icon. >> >> What's this? My IIvx with an internal CD doesn't have any ""CD-Audio"" >> icon... >I can't find any such option on my Centris 650 either. On the other hand, I >don't see why I need one. If I try recording sound with the built-in >microphone with an audio CD playing in the drive, I get the CD audio mixed >in with the microphone sound. >And I guess if I unplug the microphone, then I'll get uncontaminated CD >audio (admittedly sampled at 8 bits through a D-A-D conversion). Sorry about the misinformation. I made a bad assumption about the new machines behaving like a Quadra 900, see previous post. About sampling the CD audio though, have you tried it? I found the aliasing to be really bad. Like it needed a filter or something. Much worse than I expected. I installed the CD-300 in the Quadra myself so maybe I missed something. Everything else works great though. " 5163,5,"From: oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones) Subject: Re: Q: How to avoid XOpenDisplay hang? Keywords: Xlib Article-I.D.: world.C531A0.M3I Organization: Shawsheen Software Lines: 18 In article andy@ice.stx.com writes: >I'm writing 'xwall', a simple X version of 'wall', and I want it to >put a message up on each of a default list of displays. The problem >is that XOpenDisplay hangs if one of the displays is currently >controlled by xdm (login screen). xdm does XGrabServer when it's running in secure mode (so do some screen-locks). There's really no simple way to tell this is the case. You can take xdm out of secure mode; probably not too cool. You can wrap your call to XOpenDisplay in some code which solicts a future SIGALRM and longjmps past the XOpenDisplay from the signal handler. An example of this can be seen in the xdm sources. Note that longjmping out of XOpenDisplay probably causes a memory leak; any program functioning this way probably needs to exit() regularly. " 5164,12,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Exploding TV! Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa Lines: 6 Sounds like the picture tube lost vacuum. This would cause the filament to ignite and could actually turn the tube from a vacuum to a pressure vessel, followed by an explosion when the neck assembly (mostly likely cracked to begin with) blows off. During the whole sequence of events, the other circuits may continue functioning, which accounts for not losing sound. " 5165,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace) writes: >Keith Allan Schneider (keith@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: >Some soldiers are dependent on religion, for a number of purposes. >And some are no doubt dependent on cocaine, yet I don't see the military paying >for coca fields. While religion certainly has some benefits in a combat situation, what are the benefits of cocaine? keith " 5166,13,"From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <1993Apr21.091844.4035@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >> >>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >>is shared only among you obesity researchers? > >Not one, but two: > >Obesity in Europe 88, >proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity > >Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 > Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) Brian " 5167,13,"From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: Seeking advice/experience with back problem Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:41:32 GMT In article janet.m.cooper, jmcooper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com writes: >The mother of a friend of mine is experiencing a disabling back >pain. After MRIs, CT scans, and doctors visits she has been presented >with 2 alternatives: >(1) live with the pain >or (2) undergo a somewhat >risky operation which may leave her paralyzed. She also has a Since her symptoms are only pain she would do weel to seek the advice of a good, multi-disciplinary pain clinic. It is distressing to think that people are stll being told they have to ""live with the pain"" when many options for pain management (rather than treating MRI findings) are available. A good pain clinic will accept that this lady's problem is her pain and set about finding ways of relieveing that. Don Mackie - his opinions UM Anesthesiology will disavow... " 5168,8,"From: MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Lines: 19 Organization: Waterloo Engineering In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours > after you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow""? 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks. 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks. 2 hours/drink for the rest. These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to have a low tolerance or body mass. I think the cops and ""Don't You Dare Drink & Drive"" (tm) commercials will usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you could very well be over the legal limit. Watch yourself. -Mike ________________________________________________ / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes, \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear. " 5169,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 83 In article <1993Apr13.182614.2634@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> > adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: >> In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within >>>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the >>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab >>>land ? >> Huh? A war was started when several armies invaded Israel, >>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Most Jews wanted to live in >>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship. > I am >surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by >the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive >state, as a hostile action leading to war. It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have 400 000 arab citizens. And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It is not a hostile action leading to war. >As to whether the Jews wanted to live in peace, maybe. >However they wanted and still want an exclusively Jewish >state, where Jews are in control and Jews are the masters of >the land. Living in peace is meaningless unless it means >living *WITH* someone else, as equal. For a native arab, this >does not leave many options. Oh, you mean like both Jews and Arabs being citizens? The arabs who stayed are now citizens, with as much right to choose who they vote for as the Jews. >Those palestinians who stayed, actually stayed despite of what >happened, and their number was somewhat tolerated as a defenseless >and ineffective minority. >If I were wrong, you'd have Israel recall all the >palestinian refugees (we're talking millions). After all, >they are civilians. Huh? The people who left, did so voluntarily. There is no reason for Israel to let them in. >Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it >had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid >flowing). Israel got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It still granted citizenship to those arabs who remained. And how is granting citizenship a facade? >> Tell me something, Sam. What makes land ""arab?"" >How shall I explain, Its a contract between the man and the >land. Control isn't it. The Ottomans ruled 400 years, and >then left with barely a trace. The concept of Land identity >is somewhat foreign to the mobile and pragmatic West. It is >partly the concept of 'le sol natal', native soil. I know >that jews had previous history in the region, but none in >recent memory. I'm talking everyday life not archeology. Try again, you tell me what its isn't, but you fail to establish what it is. Also, Jews did have history in Israel for over a thousand years. There were lots of Jews slaughtered by Crusaders in Israel. There was a thriving community in Gaza city from roughly 1200-1500. Jews were a majority in Jerusalem from 1870 or so onwards. Does that make the land Jewish? Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 5170,17,"From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Hamas methods of Murder Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 If anyone gets the New York Times, the Edit page has a transcript of a VHS from Hams describing their methods of torture and execution. I will post it later on. " 5171,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Now, the Genocide of the Azeri Turks of x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 69 In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH >crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. Do you have a terminal cold? Karabag is 'Turkish' and will remain 'Turkish'. Here we are, almost at the end of the 20th century, and a whole community, the Azeri Turks of x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag, is facing forced assimilation, torture and murder on one hand and forced exodus, expulsion and genocide on the other, all because of their ethnic and religious background. And one should ask herself: is the world community really so powerless? Where are all those human rights advocates? Where are all the decent people? Are we going to let this human tragedy go on and do nothing about it? The number of Azeris murdered by the terrorist Armenian army and its savage gangs is increasing. On the one hand they wish to distort the truth and on the other, they beg mercy from Turkiye. The Age...Melbourne...6/3/92 By Helen WOMACK .... Agdam, Azerbaijan, Thursday The exact number of victims is still unclear, but there can be little doubt that Azeri civilians were massacred by Armenian fighters in the snowy mountains of Nagorno-Karabakh last week. Refugees from the enclave town of Khojaly, sheltering in the Azeri border town of Agdam, give largely consistent accounts of how their enemies attacked their homes on the night of 25 February, chased those who fled and shot them in the surrounding forests. Yesterday, I saw 75 freshly dug graves in one cemetery in addition to four mutilated corpses we were shown in the mosque when we arrived in Agdam late on Tuesday. I also saw women and children with bullet wounds in a makeshift hospital in a string of railway carriages. Khojaly, an Azeri settlement in the enclave mostly populated by Armenians, had a population of about 6000. Mr. Rashid Mamedov Commander of Police in Agdam, said only about 500 escaped to his town. "" So where are the rest?"". Some might have taken prisoner, he said, or fled. Many bodies were still lying in the mountains because the Azeris were short of helicopters to retrieve them. He believed more than 1000 had perished, some of cold in temperatures as low as minus 10 degrees. One refugee, Rami Nasiru, described how Khojaly residents at first thought the attack was no more than the routine shooting to which they had become accustomed in four years of conflict. But when they saw the Armenians with a convoy of armored personnel carriers, they realised they could not hope to defend themselves with machineguns and grenades, and fled into the forests. In the small hours, the massacre started. Mr. Nasiru, who believes his wife and two children were taken prisoner, repeated what many other refugees have said - that troops of the former Soviet army helped the Armenians to attack Khojaly. ""It is not my opinion, I saw it with my own eyes."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5172,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: ""clipper chip"" Lines: 30 From: ""dan mckinnon"" I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star: 'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy Politics is of course Dirty Pool, old man, and here we have a classic example: the NSA and the administration have been working on this for a *long* time, and in parallel with the announcement to us techies, we see they're hitting the press with propoganda. It's my bet the big magazines - Byte, Scientific American, et all - will be ready to run with a pre-written government-slanted story on this in the next issue. ('Just keep us some pages spare boys, we'll give you the copy in time for the presses') We *must* get big names in the industry to write well argued pieces against this proposal (can you call it that when it's a de facto announcement?) and get them into the big magazines before too much damage is done. It would be well worth folks archiving all the discussions from here since the day of the announcement to keep all the arguments at our fingertips. I think between us we could write quite a good piece. Now, who among us carries enough clout to guarantee publication? Phil? Don Parker? Mitch Kapor? G " 5173,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: Miami's name? Article-I.D.: hydra.91678 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr6.160042.4953@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> da_tinker1@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes: >When will the new Miami franchise team announce it's name? >Just curious. The South Florida Colons. :) -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 5174,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Radio Shack voice recognition chips Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Hi there, I have a friend who'd like to get a hold of a bunch of those simple voice recognition chips that Radio Shack used to sell (and no longer does). If anybody knows of a source for these, please e-mail me. I'll forward the responses to him. Thanks! ---Joel Kolstad " 5175,8,"From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) Subject: The best of times, the worst of times Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association Lines: 26 (note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times) A few times a year, a funny thing happens: the bike engine runs perfectly. Completely smooth. Not that it runs poorly normally, but on these days, it is exceptional. My theory is that the air density and moisture content of the air are such that I get complete combustion. Needless to say, it puts me in a great mood. The mood lasted for about 20 miles. Heading north on the 405 freeway, about a mile or two south of the 10, my throttle stopped responding.... and I was between lanes. Nothing to do but make my way over 4 lanes to the shoulder... initially by gliding, then by pushing. At least traffic was heavy enough so that cars did not mind stopping for me. Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time. ____________________________________________________________________________ Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired -- R. Geis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2 KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905) Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA " 5176,8,"From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: kin.lap.upenn.edu In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: :>Curtis JAckson pens... :> :>""MSF course...$140"" : :Shyah! : :The one here only costs $35! : :(Izzat a deal or what?! :) They are free in Philadelphia.... :-) -- '81 CB650 DoD #1224 I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous! " 5177,9,"From: bprisco@shearson.com (Bobby Prisco) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Reply-To: bprisco@shearson.com Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Lines: 30 In article 120399@netnews.upenn.edu, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: > >And now, the not so pleasant surprises: > > 2)Tartabull. The book on Tartabull was, keep him healthy and > he'll produce. Well, he hasn't done too much so far. Sure. he's > hit a few homers, but those were all solo shots, and he hasn't > gotten any of the ""big"" RBIs that your cleanup man is supposed > to give you. Then again, he had a slow start last year (once he > got off the DL, that is) and turned into a one-man wrecking crew >See you in the Series! > >-Alan Let's see... April 15th... less than 30 at bats.... and you claim that he hasn't done too much so far! Cut this guy some slack. Danny will produce this year. It's scary to think just how much he'll produce if he were to stay healthy all year. The Yanks have a lot going for them this year: good starting rotation, good bullpen, good defense and a good lineup. Also, I like Buck Showalter. Frank Howard on 1st is also a good move. Everything sounds good so far. If the Yanks stay healthy, they have a good chance at winning the pennant. This is the most fun I've had watching the Yanks since ""78! -Bobby " 5178,10,"From: mvs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Michael Virata Sy) Subject: Re: Red Wings Goespel... Nntp-Posting-Host: cec2 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 20 Don't forget Paul Ysebaert, ex-Devil. He's a good team player. Michael Sy mvs1@cec2.wustl.edu /|______|\ |||||||||||| \||||||||/ .---. )|||||/' /|||||\ /|||||/ /|||||||\ /|||||/ NEW JERSEY DEVILS /|||||||||\/|||||/ /||||||||||||||||/ /||||||||||||||||/ /||||||||||||||||/ /||||||/\||||||||/ /||||||/ \||||||/ ''''' .____/|||||/ ../|||||||||||' /|./||||||||||||||' /|||||' ''' //|\ " 5179,13,"From: dbc@welkin.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Considine) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Code 916, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.180459.17852@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu> milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn) writes: >This was known long ago. Brain produces and uses some MSG naturally, >but not in doses it is served at some chinese places. >Having said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance >flavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places, >I order food without MSG. Goos places will do it for you. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just wanted to point out that some of the food, particularly the soups, are prepared in a big batch, so the restaurant won't be able to take the MSG out of it. Sometimes its pretty hard to find out if this is the case or not. >Alexander M. Milshteyn M.D. >CIPR, MGH in Boston, MA. (617)724-9507 Vox (617)726-7830 Fax David B. Considine dbc@welkin.gsfc.nasa.gov " 5180,3,"From: ehung@ampex.com (Eric Hung) Subject: Re: COMMENTS ==> VIDEO BLASTER (Creative Labs) Nntp-Posting-Host: dct3 Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA Lines: 41 In article <794@wpsun4.UUCP> mikgr@wpsun4.UUCP (Michael Grant) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.062219.11573@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mej0381@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: >> >In <115080@bu.edu> heiser@acs2.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes: >> > >> >>In article randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) w >> >rites: >> >>>>The video blaster doesn't work with the ATI GRaphics Ultra Pro, doesn't work >> >>>>with >15M system RAM. >> > >> >>Are you serious? So I can't use a Video Blaster in my 16mb 486/33? >> >>What are the alternatives (other than removing memory?) >> > >> >Get a better one. Hows about the Win/TV thing? >> >-- >> >The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU | >> >Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | | >> >oD#0667 ""Just a friend of the beast."" | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU | >> >2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET | >> >> No good. I perfer WatchIT TV. It can run in DOS and Windows. Win/Tv only run in >> windows. Sorry.... >> >> -- >Still no good. WatchIT TV will not work on a with local bus video. >It will not work in any high reolution modes either. The people who >make the card assure me that they will have a card available in June >that supports both local-bus and hi-res. BTW does anyone know the >name of the company who makes watchit tv? Phone #? BBS? Internet? > >Thanks > >Michael Grant >(mikgr@wordperfect.com) or >(mikgr@wpsun4.uunet.uu.net) > I have a promovie spectrum, it seems to work very nicely with Video for Windows. With my setup (386-25, 17 ms HD, PAS-16, and orchid F VA), the board could handle up to 15 frame/s. Eric. " 5181,1,"From: ARowatt@massey.ac.nz (A.J. Rowatt) Subject: Page flipping in VGA 320x200x256 mode. Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c Lines: 12 Help! How do you write to the second bank/page of memory when in VGA 320x200x256 colour mode?. ie: to perform page flipping animation and buffering of the screen. I have tried using the Map Mask Registers, but this does not perform the required task (Although it does do something). Note: It *must* be able to work on a standard VGA (ie: not necessarily a SVGA card). Many thanx in advance... Andrew " 5182,14,"From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 71 I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in Crystal City. Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can be reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at mholderm@jscprofs.nasa.gov. Mark proposed this design, which he calls ""Geode"" (""rough on the outside, but a gem on the inside"") or the ""ET Strongback with integrated hab modules and centrifuge."" As you can see from file geodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much of the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom. The white track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte Manipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS) pod. This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting can occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass properties of the Station change during assembly. The inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because it can approach closer to the Station's CG and at a structurally strong part of the Station. In the current SSF design, docking forces are limited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the docking system. The ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional launch mass. We've always had the ability to put an ET into orbit (contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we've never had a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to (performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual de-orbit and impact footprint). Once on-orbit, we would vent the residual H2. The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from impact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a Kevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating the local space environment. Option b) has the advantage of providing further micrometeor protection. The ET is incredibly strong (remember, it supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the nucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits. The white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment Gyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used for gyro desaturation. The module also contains a de-orbit system which can be used at the end of the Station's life to perform a controlled de-orbit (so we don't kill any more kangaroos, like we did with Skylab). The centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be used for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity on humans. The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device for the whole attitude control system. The centrifuge is mounted on one of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels. This design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical, data and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work done to date. Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter seems more likely. Please note that this text is my interpretation of Mark's design; you should see his notes in the GIF files. Instead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for anon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space. I'll let you all know when I get that done. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""...Development of the space station is as inevitable as the rising of the sun."" -- Wernher von Braun " 5183,3,"From: hakamata@dpcdc.sony.co.jp (Hakamata Atsushi) Subject: Need Info on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II Reply-To: hakamata@dpcdc.sony.co.jp Organization: Display Products Group, Sony Corporation, Tokyo, Japan Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: 43.2.19.6 I am looking for good add-on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II. I found in PC Magazine article IQ Enginnering and Pacific Data Products are well-known maker of cartridge for HP LaserJet series. But I couldn't find the model name of these products. Any suggestions please. Thanks in advance, Hakamata Atsushi Sony Corporation Osaki Technology Center " 5184,5,"From: jck@catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Reply-To: jck@catt.citri.edu.au Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 9 What has this got to do with comp.windows.x? _,_ (o o) -oo0-\_/-0oo-------------------------------------------------------------- Justin Kibell - Systems Programmer - XMelba Project Team - C.A.T.T. Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute - Melbourne - Vic. Internet: jck@jaguar.catt.citri.edu.au Phone: +61 03 282 2456 Australia " 5185,5,"From: kgrider@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Keith A Grider) Subject: Remote TEKTRONICS emulation Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 17 Hello, I am looking for someone to help me with the proceedure for remote login, via modem not ethernet, to our new silicon graphics iris machines. I can log in to them only as a vt100 terminal regardless of what I am emulating on my end. I have communication software, kermit, which supports tek 401x and vt102 emulation. The x windows manual lists XTERM as the appropriate command to change the terminal type. When I try it the reponse is 'unable to open window' Thanx in advance Keith Grider -- __________________________________________________________________________ Keith Grider 'Come on man, let's go do the crimes kgrider@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Yeah, Lets get sushi, and not pay' Repo Man " 5186,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 48 >NEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP > >The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer >see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. > >If you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor, yet refuse to >run legitimate gun ads, please send a letter to the editors indicating your >displeasure over their censorship doctrine. > >Following is a list of Bay area newspapers who censor gun ads. Perhaps you'd >like to send them your thoughts on this issue! > >Contra Costa Times San Mateo Times San Francisco Chronicle >POB 5088 POB 5400 901 Mission St. >Walnut Creek, CA 94596 San Mateo, CA 94402 San Francisco, CA 94103 > >San Fran. Independent San Fran. Examiner San Jose Mercury News >1201 Evans Ave 110 5th St. 750 Ridder Park Dr. >San Fran., CA 94124 San Fran., CA 94103 San Jose, CA 95190 I have the April 15, 1993 issue of the SF Chronicle in my lap. Page E7 (in the ""Sporting Green"" section) has a Trader's advert. (The copy is a bit screwed up - it says that the prices offered expire 4-14-93, but the ad is there.) The SF Examiner and Chronicle run the same set of adverts (because they have a joint printing/biz agreement and differ only in editorial content). I've seen gun ads recently in the merc, which is anti-gun editorially, albeit not from traders, but from its competitors. I don't know about the other papers. Does Traders claim that things are changing? When? >- Why TV journalists lie Because it's easier than telling the truth and no one much cares either way. >Let me know if you write to any of these bozos. Before you do, make sure that the bozos are actually doing what you're accusing them of. -andy -- " 5187,9,"From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!) Subject: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) Lines: 8 Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season. So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3 when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again (have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V. " 5188,6,"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Sams Comics for sale (no auction!!!!) Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 373 OK. Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions). These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable). If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want. The price for each issue is shown beside each comic. First come, first served!!! There is no more bidding. Meet my price and it is yours. I can be reached at this email address: 02106@chopin.udel.edu or 02106@ravel.udel.edu or 02106@bach.udel.edu or 02106@brahms.udel.edu NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!! LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!! For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!! All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!) Here is the list: Incredible Hulk 156 (vs another Hulk) $3 195 $2 196 $2 246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1 248 $1 249 $1 250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5 255 (vs Thor) $1 279 $1 300 $2 312 $2 313 $1 316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1 347 $1 348 $1 350 (vs Thing) $2 354 $1 358 $1 360 $1 362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2 364 $1 365 $1 366 $1 379 (1 copy) $5 Punisher 50 $1 57 $2 Punisher War Journal 29 (Ghost Rider) $2 30 (Ghost Rider) $2 Punisher Armory 1 $4 2 $2 Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint) 1 $1 Ghost Rider (old series) 37 $3 43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3 77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each Ghost Rider (new series) 15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5 15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3 Web of Spiderman 56 (2 copies) $2 each 60 $3 69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 71 $1 72 $1 78 $1 Deadly Foes of Spiderman 1 (2 copies) $2 each 2 $2 3 $2 Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2 Amazing Spiderman 350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2 Spiderman (1990) 1 (silver, not bagged) $4 6 $3 7 $3 8 (2 copies) $2 each 9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2 10 $2 11 $1 13 $5 16 $1 New Warriors 1 (gold cover) $2 8 $4 10 $2 11 $1 12 $1 13 $1 14 (w/ Darkhawk) $1 15 $1 Superman Man of Steel #1 $2 Superman (new) 53 (2 copies) $1 each 55 $1 56 $1 Adventures of Superman 479 $1 Annual #3 $1 Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Action Comics #666 $1 Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1 Batman 465 (Robin returns) $2 466 $1 467 $1 Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3 Captain America 230 (vs Hulk) $2 257 (vs Hulk) $1 Armegedon 2001 1 $4 2 $2 Foolkiller #1 $2 Infinity Gauntlet 1 $6 4 $3 5 $3 Double Dragon #1 $1 Deathlok (series) 2 $1 Transformers #80 (last issue) $2 Wonder Man 1 $1 2 $1 Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2 The Comet #1 $1 Legend of the Shield #1 $1 Justice Society of America 1 $1 2 $1 3 $1 4 $1 Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5 Robin 1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3 1 (3rd print) $1 5 (6 copies) $1 each Guardians of the Galaxy 1 $6 2 $3 3 $2 4 $2 5 $2 6 $2 7 $2 8 $2 9 (2 copies) $3 each 10 $2 11 $2 12 $1 13 $3 14 $3 15 $1 16 $1 17 $1 18 (2 copies) $2 each Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7 DarkHawk 1 (3 copies) $8 each 2 (2 copies) $6 each 3 $5 4 $4 5 $4 6 $3 7 $2 8 $2 9 $3 10 $1 Thor 246 $1 428 $1 429 (vs Juggernaut) $2 430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1 431 $1 432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each 433 (new Thor) $2 Annual #16 $1 What if.... 13 $1 23 $1 25 $2 26 $1 Alpha Flight 29 $1 51 $6 53 $6 94 (vs Fant. 4) $1 New Mutants 22 $2 100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each 100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4 Flash (new) 43 $1 48 $1 49 $1 50 $2 51 $1 Annual #4 $1 X-Men (new) 1 (all 5 covers) $1 each but $2 for magneto foldout cover Uncanny X-Men 191 $3 215 $2 255 (2 copies) $2 each 258 $6 268 (1 sold,1 copy left!, Lee reg artist) $10 275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6 275 (gold 2nd print) $3 276 $3 277 $3 278 $2 279 $2 280 $2 281 $3 282 $4 283 $6 Defenders 52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2 Fantastic Four 347 $4 348 $2 349 (3 copies) $2 each Wolverine 11 $3 20 $2 41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each 42 $4 43 $3 Silver Surfer (1987) 1 $6 2 $3 3 $3 4 $3 5 $2 6 $2 8 $2 22 $2 24 $2 32 $2 49 $2 50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6 51 $2 52 $2 53 $1 54 $1 55 $1 56 $1 58 $2 59 $2 Avengers 326 $3 328 (origin of Rage) $3 X-Factor 40 $6 67 $3 68 $6 71 $3 73 $1 Quasar 21 $1 22 $1 23 $1 24 $1 Green Lantern (1990) 3 $2 9 (2 copies) $1 each 10 $1 11 $1 12 $1 Toxic Avenger 1 (3 copies) $1 each 2 $1 Sleepwalker 1 (3 copies) $2 each 3 $1 7 $1 Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each X-Force 1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4 1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3 2 $2 3 $1 4 $1 NFL Superpro 1 $1 Dr. Strange #31 $1 Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 Send all bids and comments to 02106@chopin.udel.edu Thanks Sam (the ""ex"" comic book collector) College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware " 5189,7,"From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai) Subject: Third party car antennas ... Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 32 Since this posting, I've received no replies or followups, so I'm posting here hoping for the feedback I didn't get in rec.audio.car: article number - 9855 Newsgroups: rec.audio.car Path: cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!vinlai From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai) Subject: Third party car antennas ... Message-ID: <1993Apr13.202333.28657@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:23:33 GMT I recently saw a particular third party antenna on a new Camry (not mine, but it caught my interest) and a new 626. It seems to replace the factory power antenna and is about a foot long made of plastic tubing. I have seen them on quite a few cars, but I can't find anything more about them in previous r.a.c articles nor in r.a articles. I'd like to know all I can, so any feedback is greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Mom, we're hungry!"" - Bud Bundy ""Why tell me?"" - Peg Bundy Vincent Lai vinlai@cbnewsb.att.com forwards mail to vlai@attmail.com which eventually winds up in wcmnja!lai@somerset.att.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5190,8,"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 29 -- In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: |>> |>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull |>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, |>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). |>> |>> Does this count? |> |>Yes. He thought about it. |>> |>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press |>> return...) Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | |\/\/\/| ___________________ | | | | / \ | | | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ 1980 CB900 Custom | | | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) 1985 KDX200 (SOLD!) | | C _) / \_____________________/ 1978 CB400 (for sale) | | | ,___| / | | | / | | / __\ | | / \ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5191,4,"From: ebodin@pearl.tufts.edu Subject: Screen Death: Mac Plus/512 Lines: 22 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA I have a (very old) Mac 512k and a Mac Plus, both of which have the same problem. Their screens blank out, sometimes after a minor physical jolt (such as inserting a floppy in the internal drive), sometimes all by themselves (computer left to itself just goes blank). I have replaced the wires connecting the logic boards and the video board, because it seemed at first that jiggling the wires made the screen come back on. This worked for a while, but the blanking out has returned. Can I do anything? Do I need a new power supply? A new CRT? A new computer? Thanks for any advice... -------------------------- Ethan Bodin Tufts University ebodin@pearl.tufts.edu -------------------------- " 5192,4,"From: mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Tsuyoshi Mori) Subject: I want use DeskJet on System7 Organization: FUJITSU.Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan. Lines: 15 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp I used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5. But now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1, then I can not print by my DeskJet. Is the Grappler LS old ? Can I use DeskJet on System7 ? Please tell me how to use DeskJet on System7. Thank you -- FROM JAPAN mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp " 5193,5,"From: rar@schooner.otra.COM (Rich Rollman) Subject: File Formats Organization: The Internet Lines: 15 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi folks, Can anyone give me some information, the location of some information, or some reference material for the following file formats: WIFF, MO;DCA/IOCA, PCX. If this is not quite the appropriate place to ask such questions, please let me know a more appropriate one and accept my apologies in advance. Thanks for your help, Rich Rollman Dogleg Systems, Inc. (908) 389-9597 " 5194,8,"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote: > > Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock > it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... Gravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er... Lesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the ground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your head, well... tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 " 5195,2,"From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: mouse on COM3 under Windows 3.1 ? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) says: >I've pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because I have the same requirements you do......and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers don't accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them.....I've talked to Mouse Systems who say their driver doesn't support other than com1 and com2 as above , but who claim to be releasing one that will SOON!??. > >The other alternative seems to be possible, but in one case prohibitively expensive, i.e. 4 port card for $600??????!!, and in the other, the author(s) of PowerBBS for Windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 UARTS and drivers for windows to match (i.e. com3 irq5) for $120...... > >The second paragraph is hearsay, because I haven't checked it out yet.....but intend to as soon as I can free up $120 > >Hope this will save you some steps. > > I had this problem when I first loaded windows. My I/O card is for 2 HD's 2 FD's 1 Parrelel 2 serial (1 for mouse and 1 for my external modem) and a game port. PROBLEM enters. The DARN serial ports have no selection for COM settings, they are stuck on 3 and 4. Good card for HD's and FD's but lousy for serial. I called Microsoft and other places. The long and short of it is WINDOWS wants com1 and 2 ONLY!, for mouse selection. I went out and bought a small I/O card just for parrelel and serial. Now I have ALL 4 active COM ports and LPT1 and LPT2. This Half card was less than $20. Mouse on COM 1 external modem on COM 2, I disabled the LPT2 so I could use the interupt for my scanner card IRQ. C-ya..... /\/\artin -- This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson ========================================================================= ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS " 5196,12,"From: msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu (Michael Fulbright) Subject: Re: Analog switches/Balanced Demodulators Distribution: na Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group Lines: 13 caadams@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Kenny Adams) writes: >hi, > instead of using a +15vdc supply for the 4066 try using a +7 and -7 >volt supply. i have some commercial audio equipment that uses this approach >for ground referenced audio. they use the -7 volt supply as the logic >ground. In this case would the switch control voltages be -7V to turn the switch off and >0V to turn the switch on? michael fulbright msf@as.arizona.edu " 5197,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >>But, if you were to discuss the merits of racism, or its psycholgical >>benefits, you would do well to have experienced it personally. >When you speak of ""experiencing religion"" you mean someone should believe in >a religion. That's right, and this is pretty impossible, right? It would be ideal if we could believe for a while, just to try out religion, and only then determine which course of thought suits us best. But again, this is not possible. Not that religion warrants belief, but the belief carries with it some psychological benefits. There are also some psychological burdens, too. >When you speak of ""experiencing racism"", do you mean that someone should >believe in racism, or that they should have racist things done to them? For >parallelism, the former must be what you meant, but it seems to be an odd >usage of the phrase. Well, if there were some psychological or other benefits gained from racism, they could only be fully understood or judged by persons actually ""believing"" in racism. Of course, the parallel happens to be a poor one, but you originated it. keith " 5198,2,"From: Tony Lezard Subject: Winword grammer checker saved my liff! Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 28 1. Fire up Microsoft Word for Windows (version 2.0c) 2. Type the following paragraph: If you want to rite really very dead good, you just cant live. Without one of the wonderfully write aids, what you're can get what helps me impress me boss. 3. Under Tools|Options|Grammar select ""Use grammar and style rules strictly (all rules) and click OK. 4. Run the grammar checker (this also does a spelling check). No complaints. Readability: Passive Sentences: 0% Flesch Reading Ease: 84.5 Flesch Grade Level: 6.6 Flesch-Kincaid: 5.2 Gunning Fog Index: 8.7 __ TL (Someone buy Malcolm Bacchus some beer please.) " 5199,12,"From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) Subject: Re: History question Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex Lines: 24 Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu Others said: {early PA?} # I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. # Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the # pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder # than a conventional phonograph. It tended to wear the disks out # pretty quickly though. An now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had worked on during WWII. They needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose was to bellow at refugees from aircraft. Their solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with parallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it worked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}. -- A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 " 5200,18,"From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Distribution: usa Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 11 In article <15413@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >What they broke in the DNC for is still open to serious question. Some tape archivists suggest what they were after had something to do with the Kennedy assasination. Let's hear all of the tapes real soon, shall we? MPA " 5201,6,"From: fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov (Richard Fozzard) Subject: BMW 530i for sale Organization: NOAA/CIRES (Univ Colo) Distribution: co Lines: 33 1976 BMW 530i The original four door sports sedan Arctic Blue metallic with gold alloy plus-1 wheels (Rial 15"") Goodyear Eagle GT+4 racing tires (mud/snow-rated) 3.0 liter, 186 HP, fuel injected engine w/Stahl headers adjustable gas shocks all around (Koni,BYK) 4 speed stick, 4 wheel power disc brakes, sunroof, PS, AC Listen-Up installed hidden speaker stereo w/subwoofer 208K miles (yet much better condition than most cars w/100K) Meticulously maintained: all records, 3K mi oil changes Faded paint on top, otherwise excellent exterior and interior. The car has required no major repair work in the more than ten years I have owned it. It has never failed to start or broken down, even in the coldest weather. This has been an extraordinarily reliable and economical car, and shows every sign of staying that way. Yet it is an absolute thrill to drive when you take it to secluded twisty mountain road! I sell it now, reluctantly, since I just succumbed to the convertible craving and bought a new Miata. $2500 obo Rich Fozzard 497-6011 or 444-3168 ======================================================================== Richard Fozzard ""Serendipity empowers"" Univ of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA R/E/FS 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303 fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov (303)497-6011 or 444-3168 " 5202,3,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:02:20 GMT Lines: 26 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu (The Great Randalli!) writes: > Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might > need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that > much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM? > Any help would be appreciated. > > Richard Randall -- There is a way in which a multi-tasking computer actually gives you more CPU power then you had before, and that is with I/O overlap. With I/O overlap, your CPU can continue to ""think"" while disk operations are underway, whereas without overlap, your CPU sits idly waiting for each disk operation to finish - and disk operations take an *eternity*, compared to a fast CPU. So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by increasing the amount of overlapping you do. One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and bus mastering. IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data bytes, with no DMA. -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 5203,11,"Subject: Re: Illegal Wiretaps (was Denning's Trust) From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) Distribution: inet Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu Lines: 33 In article <1ppg02$i2k@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ear@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Mr. Neat-O [tm]) writes: >> >>It is apparently quite easy to get hold of a person's calling records >>through the phone company. Police (and some lawyers) are able to acquire >>such information without any warrant or judicial supervision, whether or >>not the target is suspected of specific crimes. > >Pardon me, but isn't this very illegal? I was under the impression that a >warrent *is* needed to get this information out of the phone company in >order to protect people's privacy. Legal or not, I've seen it done. Phone records were obtained in order to *establish* probable cause, rather than as a result of it. In other words, for a fishing expedition. > A local (Worcester, MA) police officer I >spoke with only a couple of nights ago told me that they usually only >subpeona the phone companies records in *extreme* conditions because it's so >much of a hassle. And does the phone company require written, subpoena-able evidence of probable cause in order to process the request? I suggest that the officer was disinterested in pursuing your case -- even if you could prove the offender had called you at a certain time, your chances of winning a harassment suit on the strength of this evidence are nil. My contact with several people who have dealt with cases of extreme phone harassment (several thousand calls in one case) teaches me that police in this area are quite lethargic about pursuing such matters. Tal " 5204,11,"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit) Subject: Re: List of large integer arithmetic packages In-Reply-To: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 16: 47:03 GMT Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project Lines: 18 Mark Riordan writes: [a list of large-integer arithmetic packages elided] I thought I would note that except Lenstra's packages, none of the large-integer packages are in the public domain. As an alternative, a straightforward *PD* implementation of Knuth's algorithms may be found as a part of Uof Arizona's ICON distribution. oz --- With diligence, it is possible to make | electric: oz@sis.yorku.ca anything run slowly. --Tom Duff | ph:[416] 736 2100 x 33976 " 5205,3,"From: cunning@mksol.dseg.ti.com (patrick w cunningham) Subject: LEADING TECH QUESTION Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 10 Hey, does anybody know anything about Leading Technology Computers?? I have a Leading Technology 6000SX and need a new mother board for it. Does anybody know where I can get one. (Leading Technoology is really made by SAMSUNG. 6000SX is Samsung model SD-700) " 5206,5,"From: clay@cs.scarolina.edu (F Rodney Clay) Subject: Slider Position of Vertical Scrollbars Summary: Slider Position of a List Widget's Vertical Scrollbar Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Distribution: comp Lines: 10 I need help positioning the slider of a List widget's horizontal scrollbar. I am displaying the full path of a selected file in a list widget. The horizontal's slider defaults to the left side of the list widget; however, I need the slider on the right side. This is so the user can SEE the file name they selected. I know it's possible, because when files are displayed in a file selection dialog box, the slider is on the right side. Thanking any and all who can help in advance, Rodney F. Clay clay@cs.scarolina.edu " 5207,8,"From: bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) Subject: Help! Which bikes are short? Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 18 Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great! Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28"" seat. This is not great. So far, the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440. So, it's time to tap the collective memory of all the denizens out there. Anybody know of models (old models and used bikes are not a problem) with a 28"" or lower seat? And, since she has to make this difficult ( 8-) ), she would prefer not to end up with a cruiser. So there's bonus points for listing tiny standards. I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through several months ago. Did anybody keep that list? Thanks! -- Gregory Bean DoD #580 bean@ncar.ucar.edu ""In fact, everything's got that big reverb sound..."" " 5208,9,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: My Predictions For 1993 Article-I.D.: netnews.118466 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr5.183304.29191@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes: >Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've >decided to add my own fuel to the fire: >They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises. >AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter What makes you think Buck will still be in New York at year's end with George back? :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 " 5209,6,"From: murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu ( murli ramakrishnan ISE ) Subject: Zeos daughterboard of Upgradeable 386/25 for sale/trade Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio Lines: 15 Hi folks, I have a 386/25 daughter board for Zeos, which I want to upgrade to 486/25 or 33. So send me mail with you offer if you are 1. Selling 486/25 or 486/33 (zeos daughterboard) 2. Willing to buy my 386/25 (zeos daughterboard) Thanks.. Murli -- ________________________________________________________________ Murli Ram murli@cubix.ent.ohiou.edu(NeXT Mail) Ohio University murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu Athens__________________________________________________________ " 5210,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 66 In article , Graham Toal writes: > In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack > :has 2^80 possible keys. > > We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. That doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something they can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be verified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the chip, then try flipping random key bits, and see what happens to the output. We already know what *should* happen -- about half the output bits should vary, on average, from a 1-bit key change or input change. If they were out to build a weak cryptosystem, it might be the case that some of the bits are much less powerful than others, in the sense that they only enter into the encryption very late in the game. By contrast, DES was designed to use each key bit as early as possible; the 50% output change rate appears as early as round 5. Again, though, I don't think NSA is going to cheat that crudely; they're likely to get caught. Remember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see the cryptosystem design. If you assume something DES-like, a biased subkey generation schedule will stick out like a sore thumb. The committee can and should run lots of tests, and retain the output. This can be verified later against the chip. And yes, the civilian community has at least some secure storage facilities that I don't think even NSA can get into without it being noticed, until Fort Meade gets its transporter working again. (Oops -- I don't think I was supposed to talk about that...) The committee members can even retain secure copies of the code -- in two halves, which you have to XOR together to recover the program... Seriously, there are, I think, problems with this whole scheme. But the people who invented it aren't stupid, and they've been in the crypto game and the smoke-and-mirrors game far longer than most of us. They're not going to lie in ways that can be detected easily, since their credibility is the *only* thing they can use to sell this system. If they've lied about the civilian committee, no one will believe them about the absence of other back doors. If they've lied about the key size, no one will believe that they haven't copied the programming disk with the U keys. If they've lied about obvious aspects of the strength of the cryptosystem, no one will believe the escrow agencies aren't in cahoots with them. That isn't to say that they aren't lying about all those other things anyway. And I'm certainly not claiming that NSA can't build a cryptosystem with a back door that the committee can't find -- look how long it took for folks to believe that the S-boxes weren't sabotaged. It's entirely possible that the committee will release an ambiguous report, for just such reasons. But that's a subtle point (i.e., one you can't explain to a Senator...). > Anyway, its looking like the > keys and escrow arrangements are smoke and mirrors to cover the way the NSA > can regenerate the key from the transmitted serial number. I don't like the unit key generation process any better than you do. However -- S1 and S2 are supposed to be under control of the same escrow agents. If they can't be trusted to keep the seed values secure, they can't be trusted to keep the half-keys secure. I still don't know if or when S1 and S2 change. I thought I had seen something about them being constant, but I just reread Denning's technical information post, and it doesn't say anything, one way or the other. --Steve Bellovin " 5211,13,"From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: Brain Tumor Treatment (thanks) Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 12 There were a few people who responded to my request for info on treatment for astrocytomas through email, whom I couldn't thank directly because of mail-bouncing probs (Sean, Debra, and Sharon). So I thought I'd publicly thank everyone. Thanks! (I'm sure glad I accidentally hit ""rn"" instead of ""rm"" when I was trying to delete a file last September. ""Hmmm... 'News?' What's this?""....) -Brian " 5212,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 27 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri tes: >In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.a cs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >> >>However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to be >>bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. > >I don't find this silly at all. I find it silly (black humor) that we're >spending billions of dollars and risking the lives and freedoms of every >American to save a bunch of by-choice druggies... > >Could you please tell us WHY you find this silly. That's, WHY, letters >""W"", ""H"" and ""Y"", rather than arguments like ""oh, _everbody_ thinks such and >such is true"". First, the only drug that could possibly be put in drug stations are marijuana or its derivitives. Every other drug that I can think of can kill you if you take to much. (By the very nature of these drugs, your decision making skills aren't up to par. That is how it differs from asprin, flinstone vitamins, etc. We don't even allow penicilin to be sold over the counter.) Second, we already have a big enough drunk driving and alchoholic problem in this country. If marijuana were legal, undoubtedly more people would use it, and that IS a problem. People use it, get stupid, and hurt other people. Ryan " 5213,1,"From: kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Kai Howells) Subject: Re: Ray tracer for ms-dos? Organization: University of Tasmania Lines: 33 In article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) wrote: > > > Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good > free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save > them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) > > Thanks in advance > > Daemon PPPPP OOOOO V V Persistance Of Vision Raytracer. P P O O V V P P O O V V PPPPP O O V V P O O V V P O O V V P OOOOO V Available on archie and wuarchive in graphics type directories. PS It's freeware. -- _/_/_/ _/ Kai Howells. _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ 35 Mortimer Ave _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ New Town TAS 7008 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Ph. Within Australia 002 286 110 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Elsewhere: +61 02 286 110 " 5214,9,"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) Subject: Angels win! Article-I.D.: pollux.1psvouINNa2l Distribution: world Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu The Angels won their home opener against the Brewers today before 33,000+ at Anaheim Stadium, 3-1 on a 3-hitter by Mark Langston. J.T. Snow and Gary Discarcina hit home runs for the Angels. Daniel " 5215,17,"From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Nntp-Posting-Host: dhostwo.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 22 In <1993Apr19.024949.27846@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: +>The Golan Heights is a serious security problem, and Israel obviously +>will have to keep part of it and give up part of it. (One should +>remember that the Golan Heights had been part of the area that was to +>be in Britain's Palestine Mandate, slated to become part of the Jewish +>state, until Britain traded it to France for other considerations. In +>other words, it is an historical accident that it was ever part of +>Syria.) The Palestine mandate had no borders before the borders were negotiated and drawn. The most the Golan may have been is on the list of what territories Britian would have liked to see in the palestine mandate. Until the mandates came into existance, there were no defined boundaries between any of the various territories in the region. If you have a source for any of these claims, then please present it. " 5216,17,"From: C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk (Space Cadet) Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic Nntp-Posting-Host: evenwood Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU. Lines: dog Andrew Varvel writes: > > > Serdar Argic >(a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) writes: > >[Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted >wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.] > > >WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT? > >--The Friendly Neighborhood Alien-- > >Life just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died... ah c'mon, give the guy three days and see what comes up. LEO *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* | DISCLAIMER: it wasn't me, honest, | email: | it was him, he made me do it!! | C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* " 5217,4,"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid Subject: driver ?? Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu 1) I have an old Jasmine drive which I cannot use with my new system. My understanding is that I have to upsate the driver with a more modern one in order to gain compatability with system 7.0.1. does anyone know of an inexpensive program to do this? ( I have seen formatters for <$20 buit have no idea if they will work) 2) I have another ancient device, this one a tape drive for which the back utility freezes the system if I try to use it. THe drive is a jasmine direct tape (bought used for $150 w/ 6 tapes, techmar mechanism). Essentially I have the same question as above, anyone know of an inexpensive beckup utility I can use with system 7.0.1 all help and advice appriciated. " 5218,4,"From: hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 11 Summary: monitor shutoff on 13"" er's Reply-To: m_torricelli@unhh.unh.edu Distribution: world THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and they will replace the flyback for free, I think. I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing them for free. ________________ - / o r r " 5219,16,"From: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA ) Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: hooch.lerc.nasa.gov fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >msn@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Mike 'HK G3ZF Full-Auto' Newsome) writes: >>> I'm sick to my stomach as I write this. The BD compound >>> is on fire, and will burn to the ground in minutes. >I used exactly this one-word reply, to suggest a likely ending to >the siege several weeks ago. But like Masada, this wasn't entirely >a government action: The defenders held out as long as they could, >and then killed themselves, their families and their children >rather than surrender. Israel calls the action of the Zelots >""heroic"", and trains their army to follow this example. Now that >someone has repeated this action in modern times, what do we call it? Liberals and supporters of Clinton say that costs made the action necessary. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5220,18,"From: drevik@utkvx.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 32 In article , goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes... >In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>his so called stimulus package. >>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>immunizations for poor kids. >> >>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. I don't know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide. Perhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to do so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations cost $$$. Sorry to shatter your stereotypes. > > In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health > care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give > a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services > delivered to their doorsteps. > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5221,0,"From: guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ Lines: 53 In article <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > >>(2) Do women have souls in Islam? >> >>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have >>souls. I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by >>Muslims of any era. I have heard of some Christians of some eras >>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims. Are you sure you might not be >>confusing Christian history with Islamic history? >> > >Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish >Caliphate. > I am not aware of any ""Turkish Caliphate"" viewpoint on this. Can you reference? However, I found a quote due to Imam Ali, whom the Shias follow: ""Men, never obey your women in any way whatsoever. Never let them give their advice on any matter whatsoever, even those of everyday life. Indeed, allow them freely to give advice on anything and they will fritter away one's wealth and disobey the wishes of the owner of this wealth. We see them without religion, when, alone, they are left to their own devices; they are lacking in both pity and virtue when their carnal desires are at stake. It is easy to enjoy them, but they cause great anxiety. The most virtious among them are libertines. But the most corrupt are whores. Only those of them whom age has deprived of any charm are untainted by vice. They have three qualities particular to miscreants; they complain of being oppressed, whereas it is they who oppress; they make oaths, whereas they are lying; they pretend to refuse men's solicitations, whereas they desire them most ardently. Let us beg the help of God to emerge victorious from their evil deeds. And preserve us in any case from their good ones."" (Quote from Mas'ud al-Qanawi, ref. A. Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam, p. 118). I wouldn't consider this quote as being exemplary of the Islamic (TM) viewpoint though. For all we know, the prophet's cousin and the Fourth Khalif Hazret-i Ali may have said this after a frustrating night with a woman. Selim Guncer -- Selim E. Guncer | Jaca negra, luna grande, CSSER-ASU | y aceitunas en mi alforja. (602)-965-4096 | Aunque sepa los caminos guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu | yo nunca llegare a Cordoba.. (FGL) " 5222,11,"From: gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that >the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only >used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file >encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced >standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to >easy-to-break inverters. Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. Don't be lulled by the wedge because its end looks so thin. Graham " 5223,2,"From: Keith.W.Johnson@tek.com (Keith W. Johnson) Subject: Re: Viewsonic 17 experience sought (VS 17 vs. NEC 5FG) Organization: Tektronix, GPI/ND Info Services Lines: 42 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: keithj.wv.tek.com >I'd appreciate if you can email or post you positive >or negative experience with this monitor, especially >compared to to Nanao 550i. >I'd summarize if I got multiple responses. I bought a Viewsonic 17 for use at home but after a week I took it back. I felt for the money my NEC 5FG that I use at work was a much better monitor. The NEC is sharper, flatter, less distorted, and more stable. I have heard complaints from people about the NEC FG series having some quality control problems but mine has been in use for about a year with no problems at all. There was nothing really broken with the Viewsonic but overall it did not match up. I used my ATI Graphics Ultra in setup mode to push the frequencies to their limits and the Viewsonic exhibited some problems that the NEC did not. I personally like the non-etched NEC with the OCLI filter and the tube on the 17 was not as nice. The 17 had some uncorrectable pincusion and edge distortion problems. Also, it would change brightness when I switched modes and I was constantly having to fiddle with the controls. And the yoke was crooked and I had no way to compensate for the raster that tilted downhill. On the postive side, although not as handsome as the NEC, the 17 had a smaller footprint and was not as heavy. I have heard that Panasonic owns Viewsonic and the model 17 is being sold through OEM channels with a Panasonic label on it. If it's available that way at a lower cost I could get more serious about it. For now the NEC has my vote but I'm searching for one of the new, cheaper, NEC 5FGe's to see if it's just as good as its older brother the 5FG before I decide which one to buy. I have no experience with the Nanao. I can never keep the Nanao models straight and don't have any place I can walk in to get a good comparison of all models. -- Standard employer disclaimers apply -- Keith W. Johnson Tektronix, GPI/ND Info Services, Wilsonville, OR, USA Internet: Keith.W.Johnson@tek.com Voice: 503-685-2953 Fax: 503-682-3595 " 5224,9,"From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Article-I.D.: transfer.1psbdn$lru Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com Distribution: usa Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com In article <1993Apr6.155118.5779@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: > In article str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes: > >Stay in school. You have a lot to learn. > > Learn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I know > Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if he > didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is now. > And Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be making near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's your point? > I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport for a > living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough. > > If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one hurting. > The A's will still win without him. Will they? You can't usually take away one of the team's best players and still expect them to win. Or do you think the Pirates will continue to win without Barry Bonds. > > Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their athletic > ability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard working > citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay. So. Again, Jack Nicholson gets paid much more than most hard working citizens (and much more than Rickey Henderson for that matter). > > I don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is when the > say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3 million--also, > their numbers get worse. The reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks start making the real big salaries late in their career, when they are on the decline. (There are exceptions, of course. Dave Parker fell apart after making his first million because he put most of that million up his nose.) -- Jim Mann Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com " 5225,16,"From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) Subject: Re: Bill 'Blame America First' Clinton Strikes Again. Summary: Repost from alt.rush-limbaugh Distribution: na Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: red5.acpub.duke.edu jeddi@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Anheuser Busch) writes: >This argument sounds very stupid.. if the ability to make guns from >""simple metalworking"" was easy, then Drug dealers would make their own >wouldn't they???.. why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that >somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an >exorbitant markup???... The simple truth of the matter is, that regardless >of how easy it is to make guns, banning guns will reduce the >the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a >killer intent on buying a weapon.... >To show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen.. take an >analogy from computer science... almost every computer science major >can write a ""wordprocessor"" yet we(comp sci majors) would willingly pay 3 >to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect... why don't we >just all write our own software???...... Because it is highly >inconvinient!!!.. >Same with guns... secondly.. how does one get this gunpowder for the >""home made gun"" ??? Take a quick trip to the local 7-eleven???. > If guns were really that simple to make... the Bosnian muslims would >be very happy people (or is it the case that metalworking tools are >banned in bosnia??? (deep sarcasm) ). > >well this is my two cents.. > i will now resume reading all these ridiculus post from people > who must make their living doing stand-up comedy. ** END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL ** -- And so, the rubber spheroid arced beneath the brilliant lights. Headed for a hoop of dreams he'd dreamt of all those nights. The crowd gasped as the ball descended; Would it grant their fondest wish? There was no doubt in Casey's mind, He knew it was a *SWISH*! " 5226,19,"Subject: Re: ""Imaginary"" Friends - Info and Experiences From: patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London. NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs195.bnr.co.uk Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr2.041929.24320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto) writes: > >Concerniong this thread... > >Has anyone ever seen ""Drop Dead Fred"" ?? THis movie seems to tipify the >""imaginary friend"" theme rather well. I LOVED the movie, as i had an >imaginary friend when i was a kid and it borught back great memories. > >Seriously, if you have a chance, see ""Drop Dead Fred"". It'll make ya >think. especially the end. > >Blessings! >--Kim > -- Patrick Brosnan. || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!patb Northern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. Phone : +44 81 945 2135 or +44 81 945 4000 x2135 ""Oh, Flash, I love you - but we've only got 14 hours to save the universe."" " 5227,3,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 23:55:09 GMT Lines: 38 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article <1993Apr15.235509.29818@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: > In article <1qk7kvINNndk@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: > >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- > >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can > >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer > >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at > >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are > >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently > >>faster at managing data from a hard drive. The Adaptec 1540-series use bus mastering. This means that the CPU doesn't sit waiting for data bytes, it can go off and do other computing - if you have an advanced multi-tasking OS, that is. DOS just sits and waits anyway. > > >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics > > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for > > medium sized drives. Can have more than one hard drive. > > Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. > > Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? > You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they > exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? > > Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone > know how they perform? Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? :-) IDE was designed to plug into ISA virtually unaided - in essence, IDE *is* ISA, on a ribbon cable. Therefore it's specs are the same as ISA - 8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec. This is why I've concluded that IDE on VL-bus is a waste of a fast slot. The card's job would to slow the VL-bus transactions to ISA speed. Heck, that's what ISA slots do - I'll just use one of those instead. -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 5228,6,"From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner) Subject: Re: Adlib sound board for sale! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 23 In article bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) writes: > > I have an Adlib sound board for sale. It includes > the original disks, and I'll throw in a Windows 3.1 > .WAV sound file driver. For those of you that are > using your PC Speaker for games, this will be a much > welcomed board for your PC! > > $70.00 includes shipping to your home or office. > > Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Considering that you can get a brand new Sounds Blaster (original) for around $80 I think this price is way too high. Then again, things are worth what someone is will to pay for them.... -Jason -- Settle down, raise a family join the PTA, buy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet And party 'till you're broke and they drag you away. It's ok. Al Yankovic " 5229,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes: >I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be >going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare >essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...? Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how you gonna get there? If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m? > >I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for >so I don't get burnt? > >Much appreciated >Mark > Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm? -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 5230,19,"From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) Organization: University of Joensuu Lines: 9 Long time, no see. Andreas -- Andreas - Siperian Sirri Siberian Stint No ITU, love, evolution. Tuusniemi ! Siis imein suut ! " 5231,9,"From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) Subject: Dick Estelle Nntp-Posting-Host: koufax.cv.hp.com Organization: Our Lady Of The Stand-Up Triple Lines: 13 Does anyone know if the Dick Estelle who does the Radio Reader on NPR is one in the same with the lefty who pitched briefly for the Jints in '64 & '65? Just curious. --->Paul, spending too much time reading the baseball encyclopedia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula@koufax.cv.hp.com Paul Andresen Hewlett-Packard (503)-750-3511 home: 3006 NW McKinley Corvallis, OR 97330 (503)-752-8424 A SABR member since 1979 " 5232,12,"From: jott@scarecrow.cse.nd.edu (John Ott) Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311 Reply-To: jott@scarecrow.cse.nd.edu (John Ott) Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame Lines: 64 In article , segal@rtsg.mot.com (Gary Segal) writes: |> I've recently picked up some TIL311 display chips, but I can't find |> any information on them. It seems they are no longer made by TI, and |> I don't have an old enough data book. :-( |> |> It appears to have a dot-matrix led display capable of showing one hex |> digit. It is in a 14 pin DIP package, but pins 6, 9, and 11 are not |> present. |> |> If you have any information on this part (pinout, power requirments, |> functions, ...) please send me e-mail. |> |> Thank You, |> |> -- |> Gary Segal Motorola Inc. |> segal@oscar.rtsg.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Division |> --- we are standing here only to gaze at the wind --- pin function 1 led supply voltage 2 latch data input b 3 latch data input a 4 left decimal point cathode 5 latch strobe input 6 omitted 7 common gnd 8 blanking input 9 omitted 10 right decimal point cathode 11 omitted 12 latch data input d 13 latch data input c 14 logic supply voltage (5v) LATCH STROBE INPUT, pin 5, when low, the data in the latches follow the data on the latch data inputs. When high, the data in the latches will not change. If the display is blanked and then restored while the enable input is high, the previous character will again be displayed. BLANKING INPUT, pin 8, When high, the display is blanked regardless of the levels of the other inputs. When low, a character is displayed as determined by the data in the latches. The blanking input may be pulsed for intensity modulation. LATCH DATA INPUTS, pins 2,3,12,13, Data on these inputs are entered into the latches when the enable input is low. The binary weights of these inputs are A = 1, B = 2, C = 4, D = 8 DECIMAL POINT CATHODES, pins 4, 10, These LEDS are not connected to the logic chip. If a decimal point is used, an external resistor or other current limiting mechanism must be connected in series with it. LED SUPPLY, pin 1 This connection permits the user to save on regulated Vcc current by using a separate LED supply, or it may be externally connected to the logic supply (Vcc). LOGIC SUPPLY (Vcc), pin 14 Separate Vcc connection for the logic chip COMMON GROUND, pin 7, This is the vegative termnal for all logic and LED currents except for the decimal points. John jott@dickens.helios.nd.edu " 5233,1,"From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet) Subject: What is reverse or negative video? Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom Lines: 23 I'm interested in simulating reverse (or negative) color video mathematically. What is the transform? Is it a simple reversal of the hue value in the HSV color space? Is it a manipulation in the YUV color space? How is it related to solarization? If you want to see something truly wild, turn on the reverse video effect on a camcorder so equipped, and point it at the monitor. This creates a chaotic dynamical system whose phase space is continuous along rotation, zoom, focus, etc. Very very surprising and lovely. I'd like to write a simulation of this effect without analog grunge. Thanks for any info you may have. Please e-mail any info to me. I'll post a summary. Thanks, -- Lance Norskog thinman@netcom.com Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom. " 5234,16,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Janet Reno and ""Responsibility"" Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 11 I see no difference between Janet Reno's claim of responsibility for the Waco Massacre and the IRA's claims of responsibility for various acts of terrorism against British citizens. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. " 5235,2,"From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] : write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I : think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not : going to promote that here. : Not so! My computer was supplied with my name in an 'interesting' mix of upper and lower case, and my workplace mis-typed. I'm getting fed up with being 'CMyearslEY' at 'KEEL UNVERSITY'! It took me 20 (!) phone calls to the supplier to get the computer working at all. I really can't face tackling them again.... Chris " 5236,9,"From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) Subject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?) Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: birch.meaddata.com In article <13247@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.160447.17835@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu >(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > > >>We won't really be able to say anything for at least another couple of >>weeks. But so far it looks like a homerific season! (Might the umps >>be squeezing the strike zone?) >> > > >Watching the Braves on TBS, I would have said that the strike zone >in the NL has expanded this season. Specifically, it appears that >the strike zone has moved above the belt. Yeah, the announcers >have commented on that also, but it was also my perception. > >However, the strike zone hasn't climbed all the way up to >""the letters"". It's more like a little ways under the letters. > >Any other perceptions out there? Judging by the way the Reds' pitchers have performed thus far, it appears to me that the zone has been squeezed to the size of a grape. 1/2 :-) -- =============================================================================== Douglas N. Ritter dougr@meaddata.com Life is short - ride hard! ..!uunet!meaddata!dougr " 5237,14,"From: jbatka@desire.wright.edu Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. Organization: Wright State University Lines: 16 I assume that can only be guessed at by the assumed energy of the event and the 1/r^2 law. So, if the 1/r^2 law is incorrect (assume some unknown material [dark matter??] inhibits Gamma Ray propagation), could it be possible that we are actually seeing much less energetic events happening much closer to us? The even distribution could be caused by the characteristic propagation distance of gamma rays being shorter then 1/2 the thickness of the disk of the galaxy. Just some idle babbling, -- Jim Batka | Work Email: BATKAJ@CCMAIL.DAYTON.SAIC.COM | Elvis is | Home Email: JBATKA@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU | DEAD! 64 years is 33,661,440 minutes ... and a minute is a LONG time! - Beatles: _ Yellow Submarine_ " 5238,1,"From: kruzifix@netcom.com (Living On The Edge......) Subject: IMAGINE for PC?? Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 8 Is Impulse shipping IMAGINE for the PC386/486? How close is it to the Amiga's IMAGINE 2.0, in terms of features? ============================================================================= Roland Chia | >>> Air-Cooled >>> EMAIL:kruzifix@netcom.com | >>> Free-Falling >>> VOICE:(209)447-9403 | >>> Carbon Unit >>> ============================================================================= " 5239,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: So far so good Organization: Indiana University Lines: 58 In article armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong) writes: >In article luomat@alleg.edu writes: >> >>This may be a really dumb one, but I'll ask it anyways: >> Christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of >>God, right? (I may be wrong, but that is my understanding) But they still >>try to do it. Doesn't it seem like we are spending all of our lives >>trying to reach a goal we can never achieve? I know that we are saved by >>faith and not by works, but does that mean that once we are saved we don't >>have to do anything? I think James tells us that Faith without works is >>dead (paraphrase). How does this work? >> >So long as we think that good things are what we *have* to do rather than >what we come to *want* to do, we miss the point. The more we love God; the >more we come to love what and whom He loves. > >When I find that what I am doing is not good, it is not a sign to try >even harder (Romans 7:14-8:2); it is a sign to seek God. When I am aware >of Jesus' presence, I usually want what He wants. It is His strenth, His love >that empowers my weakness. >-- >Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S. >Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng I apologize to the moderator, but the first quote was deleted and I would like to respond to both. As for the ""goal we can never achieve"", the reward comes from the trying. Paul makes a clear claim that we are to continue straining for the prize over in Philippians 3:10-16. Only by not living out the commands do we stagnate and become lukewarm, to be spit out by Jesus. As it says in 1 John 5:3: ""This is love for God: to obey his comands."" That obedience is our straining to achieve for God. Of course, this requires work on our part. As for the quote in James, Satan doesn't care what we believe. What matters is the results of our belief (works). If one truly has faith in what one believes, one will either act on that faith or be lying to oneself about believing in the first place. Stan, as for your first line, you have a very good point. Obedience by obligation (grudgery) is not what God desires. Instead, look at how many times the Bible talks about being joyous in all situations and when doing God's work. Being begrudged by the work has no value. Also, we should do the work necessary whenever we can, not just when we feel Jesus' presence. Feelings can deceive us. However, as Paul states to Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:2: ""Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction."" Also, remember that Paul tells Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:16: ""Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."" So, in order to do the work necessary, we need to be sure that we are correct first. Remember Jesus' warning in Matthew 7:3-5 not to be hypocritical about what we do. The best way to accomplish this is to be a disciple completely in both thought and deed. Joe Fisher " 5240,0,"Subject: Re: Gospel Dating From: p00261@psilink.com (Robert Knowles) Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.163050.13308@wam.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 22 >DATE: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 16:30:50 GMT >FROM: Stilgar > >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. >Ryan) writes: >> In article <1993Apr5.025924.11361@wam.umd.edu> >west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: >> >> >THE ILLIAD IS THE UNDISPUTED WORD OF GOD(tm) *prove me wrong* >> >> I dispute it. >> >> Ergo: by counter-example: you are proven wrong. > > I dispute your counter-example > > Ergo: by counter-counter-example: you are wrong and > I am right so nanny-nanny-boo-boo TBBBBBBBTTTTTTHHHHH > 8^p > This looks like a serious case of temporary Islam. " 5241,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Kol Israel Broacasts Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr16.174056.13368@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> gfeygin@unicorn.eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin) writes: >Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different >languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your >assistance would be greatly appreciated > >GF Try thr rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup. " 5242,7,"From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA Originator: tommy@hoodlum Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic Nntp-Posting-Host: hoodlum.l1135.att.com Lines: 24 hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes: $ The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed $ per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you $ try to force it to shift manually. $ [...] I rented an Oldsmobile Achieva (is that a yuppie name or what?) and a Nissan Stanza. They both had automatics. I'm a manual transmission bigot but I have to admit that the transmissions on these cars were better shifters than I am. And yes, they responded very quickly to kickdown requests. The Nissan had a tachometer so I was able to figure out which gear I was in. (The Olds may have also, but I don't remember.) I believe it shifted all the way down to second at about 50 mph when my foot told it, ""No I really want to accelerate quickly."" I would still prefer a manual, but I won't delude myself into thinking that I can out-accelerate a modern automatic. And I'm very smooth at shifting but certainly not as good as an automatic. -- Tommy Reingold AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy " 5243,6,"From: beers@cs.buffalo.edu (Andrew Beers) Subject: CPM & C64 Stuff Forsale Distribution: usa Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: hadar.cs.buffalo.edu ======= FORSALE ======= CPM Computers: 1. Model AMPRO A13001 Rev A, with or without 2 720K 5 1/4"" floppy drives and system disks. Z80 processor. 2. Unknown brand. w/Miniscribe Model 1006 hard drive. 1/2 height 8"" Shugart model 810 floppy drive. Keyboard. System disks. Also: 2 - 8"" Shugart model 801 floppy drives. Also: Commodore 64 computer, 1541 disk drive. Will sell in whole or in parts. Buyer pays shipping. To make offers, either email beers@cs.buffalo.edu or call (716) 741-9272, and ask for Jonathan. Andrew " 5244,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 17 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Some of the more notorious self-styled dissidents here, for example, have > already got their heads so high above the tall grass that they'd have little > chance of getting a clearance. If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been allowed to happen... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 5245,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly >>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck >>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she >>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and >>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. The girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home. I don't know if she has any permanent damage, though. Just in case anybody was concerned... >> >>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? >> >>Erik velapold If people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions things like this wouldn't happen. Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and start blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 5246,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 110 In article kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: >Someone called `REXLEX' has claimed that there IS a way out of the loop, but >he did not bother to explain what it was, preferring instead to paraphrase >Sartre, ramble about Wittgenstein, and say that the conclusion of my argument >leads to relativism. I will answer this as I find time. > >`REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Silent_, by >Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of it, but I think that >Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Evangelical Christians. Somebody >else might like it, though, so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. > >If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Certainty_, by >Ludwig Wittgenstein. > > >Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu >""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some > Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* > some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon > Notice what I said about this book. I called it ""Easy reading."" The reason I dropped philosphy as my major was because I ran into too many pharisaical Simon's. I don't know how many walking encyclopedia's I ran across in philosphy classes. The problem isn't in knowing sooooo much more than your average lay person, the problem comes when you become puffed up about it. Schaeffer is just fine for the average lay person. That was who he was writting to. I suppose that you would have criticised John that his gospel was to simple. I've talked with Schaeffer one on one. I've been in lectures with the man when he was being drilled by philosphy students and prof's from secular as well as Christian universities. (ND alone would fill both those catagories) His answers were enough that the prof's themselves often were taken back and caused to re-think what their question was. I saw this time and time again at different open forums. So yes, Schaeffers books are by in large, well, simplistic. It certainly isn't grad level reading. But we must get off our high horses when it comes to recommended reading. Do you seriously think most people would get through the first chapter of Wittgenstein? I may have more to say about this secular scientist at another time. Also, one must finally get beyond the doubt caused by *insistent* inquisitiveness. One cannot live his life constantly from a cartisian doubt base. Look, the Christian wholeheartedly supports genuine rationality. But we must add a qualification to give this balance. Christianity is second to none in keeping reason in its place. We never know the value of a thing until we know its limits. Put unlimited value on something and in the end you will exhaust it of all value! THis is why Xianity is thoroughly rational but not the least bit rationalistic. It also explains the curious fact that it is rationalism, and not Christian faith, which leads to irrationality. If we forget the limits of a thing, we fly in the face of reality and condem ourselves to learn the simple ironic lesson of life: ""More without limits is less; less with limits is more."" Or as I have so often stated it, freedom without form soon becomes form w/o freedom. Let's put it another way. The rationality of faith is implacably opposed to absurdity but has no quarrel with mystery. Think about that. It can tell the difference between the two if you will let it. Christianity's contention with rationalism is not that it has too much reason in it, but that it has very little else. When a Christian comes to faith his understanding and his trust go hand in hand, but as he continues in faith his trust may sometimes be called to go on by itself without his understanding. This is where the principle of suspended judgment applies. At such time if the Christian faith is to be itself and let God be God, it must suspend judgment and say, ""Father I do not understand you but I trust you."" Now don't read all your objections of me into that statement. I wasn't saying I do not understand you at all, but I trust you anyway."" It means that ""I do not understand You *in this situation* but I do understand *why I trust You* anyway"" Therefore I can trust that you understand even though I do not. The former is a mystery unrelieved by rationality and indistinguishable from absurdity. The latter is a statement of rationality of faith walking hand in hand with the mystery of Faith. So.... the principle of suspended judgment is not irrational. It is not a leap of faith but a walk of faith. As believers we cannot always know why, but we canalways know why we trust God who knows why and this makes all the difference. Now, there is one obvious snag to all this and this is where I have parted company with philosophy- what is eminently reasonable in theory is a rather bit more difficult in practice. In practice the pressure of mystery acts on faith like the insistent ""whying"" of a 3 year old. It isn't just that we would like to know what we do not know but that we feel we *must* know what we cannot know. The one produces frustration because curiosity is denied; the other leads to genuine anguish. More specifically the poorer our understanding is in coming to faith the more necessary it will be to understand everything after coming to faith. If we do not know why we trust God, then we will always need to know exactly what God is doing in order to trust him. Failing to grasp that, we may not be able to trust him, for anything we do not understand may count decisevely against what we are able to trust. If, on the other hand, we do know why we trust God, we will be able to trust him in situations where we do not understand what He is doing. (Too many Xian leaders teach as if the Christian had a window in the back of his head which allows for understanding at every foot fall) For what God is doing may be ambiguous, but it will not be inherently contradictory! It may be mystery to us, but mystery is only inscrutable; what would be insufferable is absurdity. And that my friend, was the conclusion of Nietzche both in theory and in practice. --Rex " 5247,6,"From: tsen0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Maoee Tsen-1) Subject: 486DX/33 Intel CPU chip for $265. Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Distribution: na Lines: 4 Upgraded my friend's 486DX/33 and have the chip for sale, 486DX/33 Intel CPU chip, first US$265+shipping will get the chip. or you can make the offer if you don't like the price... Thanks. " 5248,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic Keywords: ... and blessed are aluminium siding salesman ... Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. <1qkna8$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 19 In article <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>Not, of course, The Greatest Salesman in the World. That was Jesus, wasn't it? >No, J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs. Definitely, J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs, numero uno, top dog, not one can touch, not one can knock Bob out of the box. Bob kills me mon! Everyday! But close El Segundo (el subliminal) is the infamous Paul (birthname Saul) the Evangeline who became famous as a result of his numerous trampoline act tours of the eastern Mediterranean. Jesus on the other hand was duped, a pawn of the Con, fell pray to the Holywood Paradox (ain't nothing but a sign in the hills!). Like many Afro-Asians, Jesus found the earth all too pink! And to think that after his death, the Con changed him into a tall blond Holywood sun god! And I do mean that in the kindest way possums! Now Jesus does gigs with Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Lennon, Marley, Tosh, etc. Mostly ska beat jah-know! " 5249,2,"From: gel@cs.mcgill.ca (Gilles KHOUZAM) Subject: Re: Workgroup Questions (conven. ram and licensing) Summary: Good Choice Keywords: W4WG Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 55 In article aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca writes: >I would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few >questions about Windows for Workgroups. > >I currently have Novell Netware Lite which does not work with >Windows very well and is a conventional memory hog (ver. 1.1). >I am considering moving all our machines to W4WG. > >Q1: How much conventional ram does W4WG use over and above the > driver for the network card? I have just checked it and you have three files that are loaded: PROTMAN : 128 Bytes DRIVER : 9072 Bytes WORKGRP : 4416 Bytes > >Q2: If I have a Novell NE2000 card, are the LSL and IPX drivers > still needed? No W4WG uses it's own drivers. > >Q3: Does W4WG do a license check over the network to ensure each > machine is running its own licenced copy of W4WG? (Note: I do > not want to break the license agreement and I will buy a copy > of W4WG for each of our machines, it is just that I would like > to try it out first to see if it meets our needs. Returning one > opened copy is much easier than returning N opened copies.) Not that I know of, I bought two copies, had some problems with one installed both from the same copie, no problems. Do worry I just had a really old BIOS and that's the only problem I got. > >Q4: If you buy the upgrade to Windows 3.1 for W4WG does it replace > all of Win 3.1 as you install it or does it depend on current > Win 3.1 files? It will replace all older files (I think) and prompt you for the others. > >Q5: If I install Windows NT on my server when it comes out, will I have > any troubles with the W4WG machines? This I do not know... > >When I started this message, I was going to ask only 2 questions but I got carried >away. I'll stop now ;-). > >I look forward to your replies. > >Al Hope this helps GEL " 5250,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenians serving in the Wehrmacht and the SS. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 63 In article <735426299@amazon.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes: > I can see how little taste you actually have in the > cheap shot you took at me when I did nothing more > than translate Kozovski's insulting reference > to Milan Pavlovic. C'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself, 'wieneramus'. In April 1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku. Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the creation of an Armenian SS formation in order ""to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the spirit of the Nazi ideas."" He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2] [1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106. [2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900 Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129. The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any official position. His views were represented by his men in the respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942. Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1] A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not 'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy. As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August 1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs. [1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113. Need I go on? Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5251,8,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security Keywords: nothing will stop a really determined thief Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 14 I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened. He said, ""Somebody stole m' damn dog!"". They left the Harley behind. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5252,9,From: carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com Subject: Re: David Wells Lines: 5 Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto! DC 5253,7,"From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: vu-vlsi.C52G2H.8uC Organization: Villanova University Lines: 6 Not exactly dumb, but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 Firebird bulging out of the _hood_ right in front of the driver. Neat place but I love to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years. Also, does the speedomete pointer on many US cars have to be 3 feet long?. Bijan " 5254,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: Another NYTimes Yellow-Sheet Editorial (4/4/93) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: [other uninformed, purposefully ignorant gun control ranting deleted] >* Thanks to the N.R.A., the A.T.F. is prohibited from researching the >effectiveness of using taggants in explosives, Taggants are a cheap >and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help >investigators at crime scenes - like the World Trade Center bombing >- trace the explosives involved. I want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the explosives used in the WTC bombing, considering that the consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer-based one. Ammonium nitrate, to be exact . . . of which about 90,000 tons disappears per year (if I recall the stat correctly; I don't have it here.) Just one more disregarding of reality to push a point. [more bunk deleted] aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 5255,4,"From: seanmcd@ac.dal.ca Subject: PowerPC ruminations; was Re: LCIII->PowerPC? Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 47 In article <186177@pyramid.pyramid.com>, andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) writes: > In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu > (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: > |> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. > |> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. > |> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS > |> slot. Is that true? > |> > |> Thanks > |> David Mirsky > |> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu > > Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed: > > One ""socket"" for an additional VRAM SIMM > > One ""socket"" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM > > One socket for a flat-pack FPU > > A processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with > an additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit > data path that the LC/LC II lacked > > That's it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit > in the PDS, but that's the only place. > So, will it be possible to have a NuBus or PDS PowerPC upgrade, or will it require a logic board swap? It would be interesting for Apple to come out with a NuBus PowerPC that allowed use of the CPU's 680x0, like RocketShare. But I guess that's getting a bit fantastic! I was wondering, since MacWeek reported that developers were 'seeded' with PowerPCs on a NuBus card. Also, any word on machine arrivals or estimated speed? Last I heard, the estimates were around 3-4 times the speed of a Quadra in native RISC mode. I heard an Apple employee mumble something about the arrival of PowerPC machines at a much earlier date that Q1 94, but I doubt it's true. Finally, is the PowerPC developer's CD 'mini-course' available? I saw it advertised in the developer's university calendar, and I'd like to know if it's at all *interesting*. Sean -------------- seanmcd@ac.dal.ca " 5256,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes: > As for the cleaners, I'll stick with my 850W Electrolux and damn the > carpet. Nah. Nothing sucks like a VAX :)... Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 5257,10,"From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Summary: Expires: Sender: Distribution: Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Keywords: In article <1993Apr16.131843.24012@walter.cray.com> cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz {x66442 CF/ENG}) writes: > >Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge >hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) >either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the >Bradley Center. Lloyd Pettit married into Allen-Bradley Corp. (ab.com) family and owns the Admirals. He donated the Bradley Center and the new Pettit National Ice Center. >Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but >turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too >high. This is not the way I have heard it. See, Lloyd (as he is affectionately referred to by Milwaukeeans and Bob Uecker) bought the Bradley Center *TO* get the NHL to come here. >Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if >it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals >aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club >and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's >Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. Yeah, the Bucks, the Milwaukee Wave (soccer), the Admirals, the Marquette Warriors, concerts and a bunch of other things... -- Jason Hanson | 915 W. Wisconsin Ave #1010 | (414) 288-2179 Marquette University | Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373 | Ham Radio: N9LEA/AE -- jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu ==+== n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na -- " 5258,15,"From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. Lines: 96 In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: > I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is > believeing blindly or not. I'm not sure how blindness comes into it. I do > not deny reason, indeed I insist upon it, but reason only draws conclusions > from evidence. If you decide in advance that your reason will act only on > the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut reason off from any > possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the physical sphere (beyond the > rather provocative, if inconclusive, conclusion that the physical sphere > is not self explanatory). So your are saying to rely on our feelings and experiences (since this is the only other source of information left to us). How can you then convince somebody that your ""feelings and experiences"" are the correct ones then if you can't show somebody visible and measurable effects? If my experiences say that ""there exists no god"" and yours says there does, where does that leave us? Since we are only going on experiences, then both of us are correct within our own personal realities. Furthermore, the trouble with ""feelings and experiences"" is that they can lead you astray, as the tragic outcome of Waco illustrates. I am sure that many of Koresh's followers really believed in him but I think that you and I will agree that they were being misled. Finally, how on earth do you come to the conclusion that the physical sphere is not self-explanatory when you only rely on the five senses? > Christians claim that they have received a different kind of evidence, > which they call faith, and which is a gift of God. That is, this evidence > is the evidence of a thing which chooses to reveal or hide itself. The > evidence of the senses cannot tell you is such a ting exists. Reasoning > on the evidence of the senses won't help either. But Christians do reason > of the evidence of faith, and do claim that this evidence is wholly > consistent with the evidence of the other senses, and indeed, that the > evidence of these other senses is part of God's revelation of himself > to us. You must be using a definition of ""evidence"" that I am not familiar with. To me, evidence is something you can show others -unambiguously- that what you are saying is true. However, I agree with you that belief in a diety is a matter of faith. It is not something you can share around - others must experience it independantly. Unfortunately, as I have explained above, this puts belief down to a matter of experience. My impression is that Christians do not have the monopoly on reason, evidence and faith as far as any of these things can go. > In a previous article, phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au () says: > >>You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if >>we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since >>we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >>valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? >> > Faith, as I have said, is not opposed to reason, it is simply a new source > of evidence on which reason may operate. It is clear that human beings > have many systems for explaining the evidence of the physical senses, and > similarly there are many systems for explaining the evidence provided by > faith. Religious believers in general, and Christians in particular, use > reason to help sift through the evidence to come to a clearer understanding > of the evidence provided by faith. Science claims, with good reason, to be > the most valid system for explaining the physical universe, and Christianity > claims, also with good reason, to be the most valid system, possessed of the > best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations of himself to man. At the risk of repeating my argument : As I have explained previously, the trouble is that Moslems, Buddhists, Jews, etc will ALL say that THEY claim, with good reason, to be a valid system, possessed of the best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations to man (for Buddhists it should read ""for explaining the non-existence of God""). So not only must you ""prove"" your own case, you have to ""disprove"" theirs. (alt.messianic is a good place to see people strong in the belief of their own faiths ... and with their own good reasons) > If you doubt that Christians use reason, read this newsgroup for a while > and you will see rational debate aplenty. I know that ALL people can use reason ... I never claimed that they don't. I just wish to make sure that their arguments are well-founded. It goes without saying that if I make a blunder that I expect people to correct me. Once we have all gone through this process of removing the non-essential and contradictory bits, we should (hopefully) have made some progress towards the truth. > -- > ============================================================================== > Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but > aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis > ============================================================================== -- Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. " 5259,10,"From: dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan) Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh601 Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 19 Farewell, Minnesota fans. Get stuffed, Dallas Stars. As the North Stars fade to black, I hope that Minneapolis/St. Paul are not long without an NHL team. It just seems ""right"" that the hotbed of amateur hockey in the USA should have an NHL team as well. The loss of the team is certainly not the fault of the fans (though the start of the 1989-90 season made it look real bad for a while). I wish now that I kept the North Stars cap I bought at Maple Leaf Gardens the morning after they eliminated Montreal in 1980. (I got it to spite the Montreal fans in the small town where I grew up.) What a glorious season that was for the North Stars! dwarf -- W. Jim Jordan ""I don't mean to tell you how to live dwarf@x400gate.bnr.ca (Internet) your life--that's what the TV's for-- I work for BNR; I do not speak for it. but if I didn't believe in Jesus, I'd be going to hell."" - Peter Heath " 5260,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 48 In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.053553.16427@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia. edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >|>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >|>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >|>>} >|>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the >|>>} insurance (it's a negative option, you have to explicitly decline >|>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ... >|>> >|>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more >|>>of their money taken from them to pay for others' health care... >|> >|>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is voluntary > >Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of collection >effectively makes it a tax. > > >|>>the selfish bastards that they are. unfortunately, that number has >|>>diminished recently, but once President Pinocchio gets through >|>>with us, i hope for a reversal of trend. > >Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they >don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush ""selfish Bastard"" ecconomy >has done to the country. > >Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselve s, >thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the >ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle >class. > This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the 1980 election. This whole ""USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it"", is not only lame, pathetic, and old....... it's wrong. Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more than the entire economy of Germany, a ""kind, gentle"" country, in many peoples' books. What a joke. Ryan " 5261,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the >assertion that there was some ""objective"" morality, and as you admit >here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is >""objectively"" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself >requires an appeal to morality. Yes. >Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are >asking what is the ""goal""? What do you mean by ""goal?"". Are you >suggesting that there is some ""objective"" ""goal"" out there somewhere, >and we form our morals to achieve it? Well, for example, the goal of ""natural"" morality is the survival and propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see, to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is, we shall be moral unto what end? >>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had >>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will. >>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an >>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not. >>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our >>system of morality was an objective one. >I thought that was your very first claim. That there was >some kind of ""objective"" morality, and that an example of that was >that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more, >that's fine. Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect. >And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between >""arbitrary"" and ""objective"". If Keith Schneider ""defines"" murder >to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may >still say ""Well, according to my personal system of morality, all >killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what >the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi >Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me"". Well, ""objective"" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental concepts, while ""arbitary"" implies no clear line of reasoning. keith " 5262,8,"From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle) Subject: Fork Seals Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 23 I'm about to undertake changing the fork seals on my '88 EX500. My Clymer manual says I need the following tools from Kawasaki: 57001-183 (T handle looking thing in illustration) 57001-1057 (Some type of adapter for the end of the T handle) 57001-1091 No illustration of this tool and the manual just refers to it as ""the kawasaki tool."" 57001-1058 Oil seal and bearing remover. How necessary are these tools? Considering the dealers around here didn't have the Clymer manual, fork seals, and a turn signal assembly in stock I really doubt they have these tools in stock and I'd really like to get this done this week. Any help would be appreciated as always. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without Todd Doolittle | a red-line. Troy, MI | '88 EX500 DoD #0832 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5263,13,"From: eb3@world.std.com (Edwin Barkdoll) Subject: Re: Blindsight Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 64 In article <19382@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes: >>In article <19213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote: >>> >>> Explain. I thought there were 3 types of cones, equivalent to RGB. >> >>You're basically right, but I think there are just 2 types. One is >>sensitive to red and green, and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow. >>This is why the two most common kinds of color-blindness are red-green and >>blue-yellow. >> > >Yes, I remember that now. Well, in that case, the cones are indeed >color sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed. I'm not sure who the ""original respondent"" was but to reiterate cones respond to particular portions of the spectrum, just as _rods_ respond to certain parts of the visible spectrum (bluegreen in our case, reddish in certain amphibia), just as the hoseshoe crab _Limulus polyphemus_ photoreceptors respond to a certain portion of the spectrum etc. It is a common misconception to confound wavelength specificity with being color sensitive, however the two are not synonymous. So in sum and to beat a dead horse: (1) When the outputs of a cone are matched for number of absorbed photons _irrespective_ of the absorbed photons wavelength, the cone outputs are _indistinguishable_. (2) Cones are simply detectors with different spectral sensitivities and are not any more ""color sensitive"" than are rods, ommatidia or other photoreceptors. (3) Color vision arises because outputs of receptors which sample different parts of the spectrum (cones in this case) are ""processed centrally"". (The handwave is intentional) I've worked and published research on rods and cones for over 10 years so the adherence to the belief that cones can ""detect color"" is frustrating. But don't take my word for it. I'm reposting a few excellent articles together with two rather good but oldish color vision texts. The texts: Robert Boynton (1979) _Human Color Vision_ Holt, Rhiehart and Winston Leo M. Hurvich (1981) _Color Vision_, Sinauer Associates. The original articles: Baylor and Hodgkin (1973) Detection and resolution of visual stimuli by turtle phoreceptors, _J. Physiol._ 234 pp163-198. Baylor Lamb and Yau (1978) Reponses of retinal rods to single photons. _J. Physiol._ 288 pp613-634. Schnapf et al. (1990) Visual transduction in cones of the monkey _Macaca fascicularis_. J. Physiol. 427 pp681-713. -- Edwin Barkdoll barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu eb3@world.std.com -- Edwin Barkdoll eb3@world.std.com " 5264,4,"From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) Subject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210 Article-I.D.: agate.1qo9c6$8oj Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes: >Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if >they want to go at least 9600 baud)? >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. You're not going to like this, but if memory serves me, postings I've read in this newsgroup and elsewhere indicate that there are no, repeat no, internal modems for the Duo besides the Express Modem... at _any_ speed. Something having to do with the modem using the main CPU for some of its tasks, and Apple not releasing details on the architecture, or something. I'm vague on the details, but the gist was that there are going to be no third-party internal Duo modems. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me on this. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Joel -- Joel Siegel ""I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is: I only know that I am called a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."" -Rebecca West, 1913 " 5265,3,"From: dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cavalier) Subject: Help needed Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 128 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hello. I hope somebody out here can help me. I am currently working on a project where I am trying to communicate from an IBM 386 with Phoenix BIOS, using C++, to a board that I made with an Intel 8085 CPU with UART chip. The board works fine with the TRANSMIT command and Terminal Emulation mode of Kermit, but there seems to be something wrong with the initialization or protocol used when I try C++. I need to access the unit I built using C, because I have a sizable chunk of C code that I will be using to perform calculations and operations that will be very difficult to code in assembly language for the 8085. I have included the assembly code that I am running and the C++ code that I am trying to use. If anyone can show me something that I am doing blatantly incorrectly or that I am missing because of my lack of knowledge about RS-232 serial communications, please e-mail me. I wrote the assembly language to wait for a character to be received and then to check it against the 0x20 character, if a 0x20 is received, the LEDs will indicate this. Two C++ programs that I have written do nothing, but set up COM port 2 and send the 0x20 character. One uses the bioscom() function in bios.h the other uses the software interrupt int86() function in dos.h. I have triple checked the baud rate ( 2400 ) the parity ( none ) the stop bits ( 1 ) the character length ( 8 bits ) and the interrupt calls for ( 0x14 ). Currently, I am at a loss as to what may be wrong. Any hardware gurus out there want to comment? Thanks alot, Hubert De Jesus dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu INTEL ASM COMMAND EQU 3000H ;Command Register on 8155 PORTA EQU 3001H ;Port A on 8155 TIMERLO EQU 3004H ;High 8 bits of 8155 Timer TIMERHI EQU 3005H ;Low 8 bits of 8155 Timer UARTDATA EQU E000H ;UART Data Register UARTCMD EQU E001H ;UART Command Register ORG 4000H ;SRAM location MVI A,08H ;Set Low Timer Bits STA TIMERLO MVI A,40H ;Set High Timer Bits STA TIMERHI MVI A,11111101B ;Start Timer & Enable Port A STA COMMAND MVI A,11H ;Display 11 on 7-segment LEDs STA PORTA MVI A,00H ;Clear UART Command STA UARTCMD STA UARTCMD STA UARTCMD MVI A,01000000B ;Internally reset UART STA UARTCMD LDA UARTDATA ;Remove extraneous data MVI A,01001111B ;Init UART for 8 data bits, STA UARTCMD ; no parity, 1 stop bit, 64x async MVI A,00100111B ;Enable Transmit and Receive STA UARTCMD INIT: LDA UARTCMD ;Read Status Register ANI 02H ;Is RxRDY? JZ INIT ;No, loop LDA UARTDATA ;Read Data Character CPI ' ' ;Is Character = 0x20? JNZ INIT ;No, loop MVI A,22H ;Character received, STA PORTA ; Display 22 on 7-segment LEDs HLT END C++ using BIOSCOM() #include #include #include #define INIT 0 #define SEND 1 #define RECEIVE 2 #define STATUS 3 #define COM2 1 void main() { char abyte; abyte = 0xa3; bioscom( INIT, abyte, COM2 ); printf( ""Initialized COMM PORT 2\n"" ); while( !( bioscom( STATUS, 0, COM2 ) & 0x4000 ) ) ; abyte = ' '; bioscom( SEND, abyte, COM2 ); printf( ""Sent start character\n"" ); } C++ using INT86() #include #include #include #include main() { union REGS registers; registers.h.ah = 0x00; registers.h.al = 0xa7; registers.x.dx = 0x01; int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters ); printf( ""COM2 Initialized\n"" ); registers.h.ah = 0x01; registers.h.al = 0x20; registers.x.dx = 0x01; int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters ); printf( ""Sent start character\n"" ); } " 5266,0,"From: schlegel@cwis.unomaha.edu (Mark Schlegel) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 86 timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: > Atheism denies the existence of God. This is logically bankrupt -- >where is the proof of this nonexistence? It's a joke. This is one of my favorite fallacious points against atheism, i.e. the belief that you can't deny anything that you can't prove doesn't exist. This is easily nailed by showing that an infinite number of beings are conceivable but not observed to exist, does this mean that we would have to believe in all of them? According to the above poster, we must believe in objects or beings that haven't been proved not to exist so why stop at God? (there could be a huge number of beings identical to Ronald Reagan except for trivial differences, say one is missing a finger, one has blond hair,... and they all live on other planets so we can't see them) The reason no one but atheists bring this up is that none of these christians have a vested interest in these unknown beings with the exception of God. >Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock the idea of >a God? Here again is a classic atheist fallacy. How did they shoot themselves in the foot? > Radical Muslims, the Crusades, the Inquisition are common examples that >atheists like to bring up as marks against religion. How weak! Only fools can >take that drivel seriously. How about the grand-daddy of all human atrocities, >the Stalinist movement? > Twenty eight MILLION people _killed_ under this leadership, which >proudly featured atheism. There is a big difference here, Stalin didn't say that he stood for a particular moral position (i.e. against murder and terrorism, etc.) and then did the opposite (like the religious movements), he was at least an honest killer. (This is NOT a support of Stalin but an attack on this viewpoint). Saying that atheism supports murder and violence just because one man was a tyrant and an atheist is just bad logic, look at all the russians that helped Stalin that weren't atheists - don't they contradict your point? Besides your point assumes that his atheism was relevant to his murdering people, this is just the common assumption that atheists can't value life as much as theists (which you didn't support). > Agnostics are not as funny because they are more reasonable. Yet >they do in some sense seem funny because they believe that the existence of God >is unknowable. This in itself is every bit the assumption that atheism is, >though it's less arrogant and pompous. Ah, and here's another point you didn't get out of the FAQ. An atheist doesn't have to hold the positive view that god doesn't exist, he/she may just have the non-existence of the positive belief. Here's the example: Strong atheism - ""I believe god does not exist"" a positive belief Weak atheism - ""I don't believe in a god"" a negative belief these are NOT the same, some one that has never thought of the idea of god in their whole life is technically an atheist, but not the kind that you are calling unreasonable. Or let's look at it this way (in sets) suppose that a given person has a huge set of ideas that I will represent as capital letters and these people then either believe that these ideas exist as real objects or not. So if S = santa, then E(S)= no is the person not believing in santa but still having the idea of santa. But notice that even E(S) = no is itself another idea! This means you have lots of cases: christian : (A,E(A)=yes,B,E(B)=no, . . . G,E(G)=yes......) where G = god atheist (strong) : (A,E(A). . . . .G,E(G)=no) atheist (weak) : (A,.....E) i.e. no G at all in the set agnostic : (A,.......G, E(G) = indeterminate, E', ....) > Why are people so afraid to say ""undecided""? It must just be another >feature of human nature -- ""undecided"" is not a sexy, trendy, or glamorous >word. It does not inspire much hate or conflict. It's not blasphemous. >It's not political. In fact it is too often taken to mean unsophisticated. Nietzsche once said that a man would rather will nonexistence than not will at all but the darwinist way to put this is that humanity always prefers no or yes to a maybe because indecision is not a useful survival trait, evolution has drilled it in us to take positions, even false ones. >Bake Timmons, III M.S. " 5267,4,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: 2 PowerBook Questions Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.215646.23800 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 1. Why, or how actually, can a Powerbook have a 640 x 400 pixel display, regardless if it is a 9"" or 10"", and still keep the 72 dpi resolution? (I assume that it doesn't, and I don't mean to imply they *all* have these dimensions) 2. Any info on price drops or new models (non-Duo) coming up? Thanks, JT " 5268,1,"From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Re: Real Time Graphics?? Distribution: na Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr5.114428.2061@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil>, dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil writes: > In article , stockel@oahu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Jim Stockel) writes: >> Hi, >> >> Opps! typed in the phone numbers wrong. Here are the correct numbers. > > For a commerical package try WAVE from Precision Visuals 303-530-9000 > > For a free package try KHOROS from University of New Mexico 505-277-6563 > ftp from > ptrg.eece.unm.edu > > Login in anonyomus or ftp with a valid email address as the password > cd /pub/khoros/release " 5269,12,"From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Re: Electronic Tesla Coils Summary: Real World Applications Keywords: tesla, coil, osc, flyback, transformers, wireless, emi, ac, ignition Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Distribution: World Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 48 In article <1993Mar25.161909.8110@wuecl.wustl.edu> dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) writes: >In article long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long) writes: >>Fred W. Culpepper (fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu) wrote: >>[...] >>A couple of years ago I put together a Tesla circuit which >>was published in an electronics magazine and could have been >>the circuit which is referred to here. This one used a >>flyback transformer from a tv onto which you wound your own >>primary windings. It also used 2 power transistors in a TO 3 >[...] >10 years ago I built a 1'000,000 volt Tesla, and the thing was VERY >spectacular, but besides scaring/amazing friends (depending on their >knowledge of Science), and generating strong EMI, I never found anything >useful that could be done with it ... Is there any real-world application >for Tesla coils today ? > >David Prutchi First of all, realize that Tesla invented AC power generators, motors, transformers, conductors, etc. Technically, *ALL* transformers are Tesla coils. In general though when someone refers to a Tesla coil, they mean an ""air core resonant transformer"". The TV flyback version Tesla coil (see the _Encyclopedia_of_Electronic_Circuits_ V3, 106-1 for diagram) has NOT an air core. It is of a class of circuit called ""Oscillating Shuttle Circuit"" (OSC). Generally OSC's are highly efficient, but this version uses transistors and resistors, which are very lossy devices. Typically Tesla used active reactances instead of passive resistors, so that he could achieve efficiencies of 99.5%, and better. The usual application of an air-core resonant transformer, or of an OSC, is to produce strong EMI for wireless broadcasts. How well do you think your computer screen would work if we removed the HF HV Tesla (flyback) coil from it? If we were to remove from our homes and industries all Tesla coils, our lights would go dark, our cars would sputter and die, our radios would go silent, our industries would grind to a halt, and we would have to go back to using coal for heat, gas for lamps, horses for transportation, steam for power, and telegraph for communication. Is that real world enough for you??????? GET THE MESSAGE! WE WOULD NOT HAVE 1/100 THE CONVIENIENCES WE HAVE TODAY IF NOT FOR TESLA. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE! If it had been up to Edison, we'd still be in the 19th century. (flame me at your own peril. I'm very good at putting edison down). ---- ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes"". ---- " 5270,9,"From: apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 16 I Love it how all of these people are ""blaming"" the Phillies success on a weak division. Why don't we look at the record of the teams in each division (READ: Inter-Divisional Play), we'll see that the East is really kicking the shit out of the West. I know it is early, but that is all we have to go on. Atlanta is just so strong with their .188 BA, Cincinnati is 2-7 coming off a sweep at Veteran's Stadium in Philadelphia, and Houston was swept in it's first three games by the Phillies in the Astrodome. That, my Western Division friends, shows that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you think!! PHILS ALL THE WAY IN '93 BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB REDS NEED MARGE -BOB " 5271,9,"From: m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo1.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University Lines: 6 I missed the original post, but aren't the Expos rushing alomost their entire team this year? I am from Montreal, and am a fan, but geez, the Expos rank 27th in salary (only the Rockies trail) and someone at the average age would probably be in first year University! CorelMARK! " 5272,1,"From: jbalgley@bbn.com (Jon Balgley) Subject: Hidden-line removal program Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: labs-n.bbn.com I'm posting this for a friend: I have an immediate need for a polygon-based hidden-line removal program. I can deal with any input/output format, but I need to be able to do perspective views in any orientation and range. Is there a public-domain hidden-line program around? It seems like there should be, but I have not been able to locate one. Email replies and I will summarize. Thanks " 5273,4,"From: jkomp@leonardo.src.honeywell.com (John Komp) Subject: RE: Price drop on C650 within 2 months? Article-I.D.: leonardo.9304062132.AA00657 Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC Lines: 36 To: comp.sys.mac.hardware Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 16: 32:51 CDT Received-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 16: 32:52 CDT Nathaniel Sammons writes: >I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple >to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month >and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a >good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it, >but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal >I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better >deal? I don't know how to say it best but you are gaurenteed that the price of the C650 is going to drop this year. This week's MacWeek reports that Apple is probably planning a drop in August. My guess is that it may come sooner if Apple decides to change the price structure upon release of the multimedia units this summer. Your price looks pretty good at about $50 more then I payed for mine last month. I would have rather waited for one of the new machines this sommer (like the Cyclone) but the resale value of my IIci would have not been squat by then. Thus, financing forced me to purchase now. I'm happy with the machine and won't feel betrayed at all when Apple cuts the price to less then $1000 next week (heh). Bottome line: If the C650 does what you want, buy it. If you wait until the Cylcones come out for a price break then you might as well wait for the PowerPCs to come out for another price break and then the units which follow them. You may save some money but you've lost a lot of time when you could have been using the computer. Face it, Apple's prices are going to be in a continuous state of flux. At least they aren't going to try raising them again (grin). -John Komp@leonardo.src.honeywell.com " 5274,9,"From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) Subject: Re: Bo was a good player, you shorts (plus idiots) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr5.101636.1@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes: >In article <1993Apr4.030934.23187@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes: >> In article <1993Apr4.133620.1@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes: BO JACKSON 1963 1988 KCR 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 .253 67 .243 .288 .455 1989 KCR 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 .274 92 .259 .314 .507 1990 KCR 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 .286 77 .272 .343 .519 1991 CWS 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 .240 10 .225 .337 .394 MAJ 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 .270 246 .256 .316 .489 MAJ 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 This is what Jackson looked like in 88-91, with everything converted to a neutral park, on the basis of run production. His equivalent average started at .253 in 88, was up to .274 in 89 and 286 in 90. So let us say he had established, in his last two seasons, a .280 level of play. That is good. Very good, in fact. But it probably doesn't make the top ten in the league. The 10th best EQA in the AL in 1992 was Dave Winfield's .296; Thomas was first at .350. First in the NL was Bonds, an incroyable .378; tenth was Bip Roberts, .297. But .280 is better than any season in the past five years by Joe Carter; it is about what Mattingly had in 1988 (.285); what Felix Jose had the last two years; just ahead of Time Raines' five-year average; better than Ryan Klesko's MLEs. He got more attention from the media than was warranted from his baseball playing, though; his hype was a lot better than his hitting. That is the basis for the net.comments about him being overrated. The media would have you beleive he was a great hitter. I think he was a good, maybe very good hitter. He was IMO, something like the 30th best hitter in the majors. Clay D. " 5275,8,"From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Distribution: rec Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? No, it's not possible to countersteer either. (for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!) ********************************************************************* '86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich '72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055 '79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245 Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843 Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28% Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes... e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis) Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this. ********************************************************************* " 5276,12,"From: galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts) Subject: Re: Beginner's RF ??? Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: storm.cfnr.colostate.edu Organization: College of Natural Resources, Colo. State Univ. Lines: 16 In article klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes: >Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference >to RF circuits? >Steve Klinkner AT&T Bell Labs srk@boeing.att.com I have the ARRL Handbook for the Radio AMateur, and I'm getting the Solid STate Design for the Radio Amateur. The handbook is $25 and Solid State is $12 from ARRL, 225 Main, Newington, CT 06111 but you should be able to find them at electronics or amateur radio stores. ARRL will want $5 or so for shipping. Good Luck, Galen Watts, KF0YJ " 5277,12,"From: koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops) Subject: Speaker design software? Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Summary: Searching for speaker deisn software/shareware/freeware Keywords: speaker, design, software Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 13 Hi. I'm looking for software to aid a friend of mine with designing speakers. Does this type of software exist? If anyone can point me toward a shareware or freeware product with this description, that would be ideal. ...Steve van der Burg (using a friend's account) (p.s. Excuse the terseness of the message; I'm having difficulty stringing readable sentences together today, for some reason.) -- -Luke Koops " 5278,4,"From: Robert Everett Brunskill Subject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> The little blue roller on the trackball interior is probably rubbing against its support, just push it down the pin so that it no longer touches it. I had a similar problem. Rob " 5279,4,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Nntp-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 24 In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > The LC family of Macs can only > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the difference is between PDS and Nubus? Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for this? -- O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! / \ (_) (_) / | \ | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS " 5280,10,From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) Subject: NHL Final point standings Organization: University of New Brunswick Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Lines: 694 Individual leaders by total points (Final standings) NOTE: Games played and points per games not accurate !! Player Team GP G A Pts ppg Prj PIM +/- M.Lemieux PIT 59 69 91 160 2.71 160 38 53 LaFontaine BUF 82 53 95 148 1.80 148 63 13 Oates BOS 83 45 97 142 1.71 142 32 12 Yzerman DET 83 58 79 137 1.65 137 44 33 Turgeon NYI 80 58 74 132 1.65 132 26 -2 Selanne WIN 82 76 56 132 1.61 132 45 6 Mogilny BUF 75 76 51 127 1.69 127 40 9 Gilmour TOR 81 32 95 127 1.57 127 96 32 Robitaille LA 82 63 62 125 1.52 127 100 16 Recchi PHI 81 53 70 123 1.52 123 95 -2 Sundin QUE 79 47 67 114 1.44 114 96 19 Stevens PIT 71 55 57 112 1.58 112 169 16 Bure VAN 82 60 50 110 1.34 110 67 37 Tocchet PIT 79 48 61 109 1.38 109 240 28 Roenick CHI 82 50 57 107 1.30 107 82 15 Janney STL 82 24 82 106 1.29 106 12 1 Sakic QUE 77 48 57 105 1.36 105 40 -4 Juneau BOS 83 32 70 102 1.23 102 33 21 Hull STL 78 54 47 101 1.29 101 41 -21 Andreychuk TOR 81 55 45 100 1.23 100 56 4 Fleury CAL 82 34 66 100 1.22 100 88 15 Francis PIT 83 24 76 100 1.20 100 68 6 Housley WIN 78 18 79 97 1.24 97 52 -13 Ciccarelli DET 81 41 56 97 1.20 97 81 12 Damphousse MON 82 39 58 97 1.18 97 96 5 Hawerchuk BUF 79 16 80 96 1.22 96 48 -14 Shanahan STL 69 51 43 94 1.36 94 168 9 Muller MON 79 37 57 94 1.19 94 75 9 Jagr PIT 80 34 60 94 1.18 94 69 31 Modano MIN 80 33 60 93 1.16 93 81 -6 Messier NYR 72 25 66 91 1.26 91 70 -3 Sanderson HAR 79 46 43 89 1.13 89 28 -24 Reichel CAL 78 40 48 88 1.13 88 54 23 Bellows MON 80 40 48 88 1.10 88 42 4 Fedorov DET 72 34 53 87 1.21 87 72 33 Thomas NYI 76 37 50 87 1.14 87 109 0 Coffey DET 79 12 75 87 1.10 87 77 16 Kurri LA 81 27 60 87 1.07 88 38 20 Bradley TB 78 42 44 86 1.10 86 90 -22 Brind'Amour PHI 78 37 49 86 1.10 86 87 -9 Ronning VAN 77 29 56 85 1.10 85 30 16 Bondra WAS 80 37 48 85 1.06 85 70 3 Cassels HAR 81 21 64 85 1.05 85 57 -15 Murphy PIT 82 22 62 84 1.02 84 73 42 Bourque BOS 78 19 63 82 1.05 82 40 38 Granato LA 79 37 45 82 1.04 83 165 3 Verbeek HAR 81 39 43 82 1.01 82 180 -11 Ridley WAS 81 26 56 82 1.01 82 38 4 Duchesne QUE 81 20 62 82 1.01 82 57 15 C.Lemieux NJ 75 30 51 81 1.08 81 149 0 Suter CAL 80 23 58 81 1.01 81 112 -1 Lebeau MON 69 31 49 80 1.16 80 20 23 Roberts CAL 57 38 41 79 1.39 79 172 31 Semak NJ 80 37 42 79 0.99 79 70 22 Hatcher WAS 80 34 45 79 0.99 79 110 -12 D.Hunter WAS 81 20 59 79 0.98 79 194 2 Courtnall MIN 82 36 43 79 0.96 79 49 -2 Brown STL 69 25 53 78 1.13 78 56 -4 Ricci QUE 76 27 51 78 1.03 78 121 9 Kisio SJ 77 26 52 78 1.01 78 90 -15 Craven VAN 76 25 52 77 1.01 77 30 0 G.Courtnall VAN 82 31 46 77 0.94 77 167 23 Nolan QUE 72 36 40 76 1.06 76 185 -6 King NYI 74 38 38 76 1.03 76 45 -1 Amonte NYR 80 33 43 76 0.95 76 47 0 Gagner MIN 82 33 43 76 0.93 76 141 -15 Lindros PHI 58 41 34 75 1.29 75 143 25 Hogue NYI 67 33 42 75 1.12 75 106 6 Nieuwendyk CAL 77 38 37 75 0.97 75 52 8 Pivonka WAS 66 21 53 74 1.12 74 51 12 Borschevsky TOR 76 34 40 74 0.97 74 26 32 Dahlen MIN 81 35 39 74 0.91 74 6 -18 Richer NJ 76 38 35 73 0.96 73 44 0 Emerson STL 80 22 51 73 0.91 73 60 -1 Nedved VAN 82 38 35 73 0.89 73 94 18 Chelios CHI 82 15 58 73 0.89 73 282 13 Carson LA 84 37 36 73 0.87 74 30 2 Zhamnov WIN 66 25 47 72 1.09 72 58 5 Kvartalnov BOS 72 30 42 72 1.00 72 14 9 Steen WIN 78 22 50 72 0.92 72 75 -8 Linden VAN 82 33 39 72 0.88 72 60 15 Mullen PIT 71 33 37 70 0.99 70 12 21 Larmer CHI 82 35 35 70 0.85 70 48 22 Donnelly LA 82 29 40 69 0.84 70 45 18 Kovalenko QUE 80 27 41 68 0.85 68 57 10 Gartner NYR 81 45 23 68 0.84 68 55 -2 Khristich WAS 61 31 36 67 1.10 67 26 26 Sheppard DET 70 32 34 66 0.94 66 29 7 Garpenlov SJ 78 22 44 66 0.85 66 56 -25 Iafrate WAS 81 25 41 66 0.81 66 169 15 Gretzky LA 43 16 49 65 1.51 67 6 6 Zalapski HAR 80 14 51 65 0.81 65 86 -32 Graves NYR 81 36 29 65 0.80 65 148 -4 Anderson TOR 74 21 43 64 0.86 64 117 19 Zelepukin NJ 76 23 41 64 0.84 64 66 16 MacIver OTT 78 17 46 63 0.81 63 80 -42 Dineen PHI 80 35 28 63 0.79 63 199 11 Chiasson DET 78 12 50 62 0.79 62 151 15 Ysebaert DET 79 34 28 62 0.78 62 42 19 Galley PHI 80 13 49 62 0.78 62 98 14 McEachern PIT 83 28 33 61 0.73 61 46 21 Nicholls NJ 67 13 47 60 0.90 60 80 -13 Keane MON 75 15 45 60 0.80 60 93 28 Flatley NYI 77 13 47 60 0.78 60 61 3 S.Young QUE 81 30 30 60 0.74 60 20 4 Shannon WIN 82 20 40 60 0.73 60 91 -4 Fedyk PHI 74 21 38 59 0.80 59 48 14 Blake LA 76 16 43 59 0.78 60 152 18 Olausson WIN 66 16 41 57 0.86 57 22 -5 Makarov CAL 70 18 39 57 0.81 57 40 0 Smith CHI 76 10 47 57 0.75 57 212 13 Elynuik WAS 77 22 35 57 0.74 57 66 2 Stevens NJ 79 12 45 57 0.72 57 116 16 Adams VAN 51 25 31 56 1.10 56 14 33 Tucker TB 76 17 39 56 0.74 56 69 -10 MacInnis CAL 48 11 43 54 1.13 54 59 15 Sutter CHI 63 20 34 54 0.86 54 65 9 Bodger BUF 80 9 45 54 0.68 54 87 14 Nemchinov NYR 81 23 31 54 0.67 54 34 15 Driver NJ 81 14 40 54 0.67 54 64 -9 Ruuttu CHI 82 17 37 54 0.66 54 134 14 Yake HAR 63 22 31 53 0.84 53 44 5 Turcotte NYR 68 25 28 53 0.78 53 40 -2 Sandstrom LA 37 25 27 52 1.41 53 51 11 Malakhov NYI 61 14 38 52 0.85 52 59 14 Ward VAN 68 22 30 52 0.76 52 82 32 Otto CAL 74 19 33 52 0.70 52 150 2 Kontos TB 66 27 24 51 0.77 51 12 -7 Leach BOS 78 26 25 51 0.65 51 126 -6 Poulin HAR 78 20 31 51 0.65 51 37 -19 Tkachuk WIN 81 28 23 51 0.63 51 199 -14 Savard MON 62 16 34 50 0.81 50 90 2 Norton NYI 63 12 38 50 0.79 50 45 -6 Cullen TOR 64 18 32 50 0.78 50 109 -23 Cote WAS 74 21 29 50 0.68 50 34 28 Eklund PHI 52 11 38 49 0.94 49 16 8 Olczyk NYR 68 21 28 49 0.72 49 52 -1 Semenov VAN 74 12 37 49 0.66 49 32 16 Davydov WIN 77 28 21 49 0.64 49 64 -2 Miller STL 80 24 25 49 0.61 49 96 0 Poulin BOS 83 16 33 49 0.59 49 62 30 Klima EDM 66 32 16 48 0.73 48 98 -15 Dionne MON 73 20 28 48 0.66 48 55 6 Baker OTT 74 19 29 48 0.65 48 52 -21 Rucinsky QUE 76 18 30 48 0.63 48 51 14 Weight EDM 76 17 31 48 0.63 48 65 5 Zhitnik LA 76 12 36 48 0.63 49 78 -2 MacLean NJ 78 24 24 48 0.62 48 100 -7 Corson EDM 78 16 31 47 0.60 47 207 -16 Sweeney BUF 79 21 26 47 0.59 47 118 4 Simpson EDM 60 24 22 46 0.77 46 36 -14 Hawgood PHI 66 11 35 46 0.70 46 68 -9 Johansson WAS 74 7 38 45 0.61 45 54 0 Miller WAS 81 18 27 45 0.56 45 32 -1 Manson EDM 81 15 30 45 0.56 45 210 -26 Desjardins MON 81 13 32 45 0.56 45 98 19 Schneider MON 58 13 31 44 0.76 44 89 9 Goulet CHI 63 23 21 44 0.70 44 41 10 Leclair MON 70 19 25 44 0.63 44 33 11 Drake DET 71 18 26 44 0.62 44 91 14 Lumme VAN 73 8 36 44 0.60 44 55 29 Gaudreau SJ 58 23 20 43 0.74 43 18 -17 Gill TOR 68 11 32 43 0.63 43 64 4 Turgeon OTT 70 25 18 43 0.61 43 104 -26 Probert DET 79 14 29 43 0.54 43 292 -9 Wood BUF 80 18 25 43 0.54 43 77 7 Ranheim CAL 82 21 22 43 0.52 43 26 -4 Zamuner TB 82 15 28 43 0.52 43 72 -25 Tinordi MIN 69 15 27 42 0.61 42 157 -1 Paslawski CAL 71 18 24 42 0.59 42 12 0 Ruzicka BOS 60 19 22 41 0.68 41 38 -6 Elik EDM 60 14 27 41 0.68 41 56 -4 Kudelski OTT 61 24 17 41 0.67 41 28 -25 McSorley LA 79 15 26 41 0.52 42 393 0 Shaw OTT 79 7 34 41 0.52 41 34 -47 Lidstrom DET 83 7 34 41 0.49 41 28 7 Stastny NJ 60 17 23 40 0.67 40 20 -3 Ellett TOR 68 6 34 40 0.59 40 46 17 Tikkanen NYR 78 16 24 40 0.51 40 94 -22 Niedermayer NJ 78 11 29 40 0.51 40 47 8 Racine DET 79 9 31 40 0.51 40 80 8 McPhee MIN 82 18 22 40 0.49 40 44 -4 Millen LA 40 23 16 39 0.98 40 42 15 Chambers TB 53 10 29 39 0.74 39 34 -23 Holik NJ 59 20 19 39 0.66 39 72 -2 Clark TOR 65 17 22 39 0.60 39 187 3 Khmylev BUF 66 20 19 39 0.59 39 26 6 Creighton TB 81 19 20 39 0.48 39 110 -21 Krushelnyski TOR 82 19 20 39 0.48 39 60 3 Kurvers NYI 49 8 30 38 0.78 38 38 8 Crossman STL 57 10 28 38 0.67 38 28 -6 Kovalev NYR 63 20 18 38 0.60 38 79 -8 Craig MIN 68 15 23 38 0.56 38 106 -10 Krupp NYI 79 9 29 38 0.48 38 67 8 Momesso VAN 82 18 20 38 0.46 38 193 11 Kamensky QUE 31 15 22 37 1.19 37 14 13 Numminen WIN 65 7 30 37 0.57 37 33 4 Pearson TOR 76 23 14 37 0.49 37 196 -2 Graham CHI 82 20 17 37 0.45 37 141 1 Leetch NYR 36 6 30 36 1.00 36 26 2 Ciger EDM 62 13 23 36 0.58 36 8 -14 Beers TB 62 12 24 36 0.58 36 70 -24 Reid BOS 65 20 16 36 0.55 36 10 12 Lapointe QUE 73 10 26 36 0.49 36 98 4 Sjodin MIN 75 7 29 36 0.48 36 30 -25 Weinrich HAR 76 7 29 36 0.47 36 76 -10 Borsato WIN 65 15 20 35 0.54 35 38 -1 Zezel TOR 68 12 23 35 0.51 35 24 -1 Burr DET 79 10 25 35 0.44 35 74 18 Donato BOS 81 15 20 35 0.43 35 61 2 Benning EDM 55 10 24 34 0.62 34 152 -1 Howe DET 59 3 31 34 0.58 34 22 20 Guerin NJ 63 14 20 34 0.54 34 63 16 Hull OTT 67 13 21 34 0.51 34 14 -21 D.Sweeney BOS 83 7 27 34 0.41 34 66 34 Nylander HAR 56 11 22 33 0.59 33 36 -5 Beranek PHI 63 15 18 33 0.52 33 78 -6 Wesley BOS 64 8 25 33 0.52 33 47 -2 Matteau CHI 77 15 18 33 0.43 33 96 6 Broten MIN 80 12 21 33 0.41 33 22 7 Leeman MON 50 15 17 32 0.64 32 24 14 Dalgarno NYI 55 15 17 32 0.58 32 60 16 Mellanby EDM 67 15 17 32 0.48 32 147 -4 Primeau DET 73 15 17 32 0.44 32 152 -6 Gilbert CHI 75 13 19 32 0.43 32 57 5 Mullen NYI 78 18 14 32 0.41 32 28 7 Presley BUF 78 15 17 32 0.41 32 92 5 Leschyshyn QUE 81 9 23 32 0.40 32 55 22 Zubov NYR 46 8 23 31 0.67 31 4 1 Mironov TOR 57 7 24 31 0.54 31 38 -2 Bureau TB 63 10 21 31 0.49 31 111 -12 Brisebois MON 68 10 21 31 0.46 31 77 8 Heinze BOS 72 18 13 31 0.43 31 24 21 Smehlik BUF 78 4 27 31 0.40 31 59 10 Lemieux CHI 79 10 21 31 0.39 31 109 4 Yushkevich PHI 79 5 26 31 0.39 31 71 10 Evason SJ 83 12 19 31 0.37 31 132 -33 McInnis NYI 56 10 20 30 0.54 30 24 7 Noonan CHI 61 16 14 30 0.49 30 82 1 Gallant DET 66 10 20 30 0.45 30 186 20 Kennedy DET 67 19 11 30 0.45 30 46 -1 Hough QUE 77 8 22 30 0.39 30 69 -11 Gusarov QUE 78 8 22 30 0.38 30 57 16 MacTavish EDM 80 10 20 30 0.38 30 110 -15 Buchberger EDM 81 12 18 30 0.37 30 133 -24 Janssens HAR 73 12 17 29 0.40 29 233 -12 U.Samuelson PIT 76 3 26 29 0.38 29 247 37 Sydor LA 78 6 23 29 0.37 29 59 0 Duchesne MIN 82 16 13 29 0.35 29 30 6 Falloon SJ 41 14 14 28 0.68 28 12 -25 Sandlak VAN 59 10 18 28 0.47 28 122 2 Carpenter WAS 65 11 17 28 0.43 28 63 -16 Kron HAR 42 14 13 27 0.64 27 18 7 Ferraro NYI 43 14 13 27 0.63 27 38 -5 Kravchuk EDM 55 10 17 27 0.49 27 32 3 Plavsic VAN 56 6 21 27 0.48 27 51 27 Ron Sutter STL 59 12 15 27 0.46 27 99 -11 Cole TB 65 12 15 27 0.42 27 21 -4 Odgers SJ 65 12 15 27 0.42 27 251 -25 Fitzgerald NYI 74 9 18 27 0.36 27 32 -1 Fetisov NJ 74 4 23 27 0.36 27 158 7 Korolev STL 74 4 23 27 0.36 27 20 -1 Kypreos HAR 75 17 10 27 0.36 27 325 -5 Andersson TB 75 16 11 27 0.36 27 14 -14 Huddy LA 80 2 25 27 0.34 27 62 20 Rich Sutter STL 82 13 14 27 0.33 27 100 -6 Slegr VAN 40 4 22 26 0.65 26 109 16 Svoboda BUF 40 2 24 26 0.65 26 59 3 Patrick NYR 60 5 21 26 0.43 26 61 1 Jones WAS 68 12 14 26 0.38 26 124 16 Lamb OTT 69 7 19 26 0.38 26 62 -40 Osborne TOR 75 12 14 26 0.35 26 87 -7 May BUF 80 13 13 26 0.33 26 238 3 Eagles WIN 82 8 18 26 0.32 26 131 -1 Brunet MON 45 10 15 25 0.56 25 19 13 T.Green NYI 58 7 18 25 0.43 25 43 6 Stern CAL 69 10 15 25 0.36 25 207 2 Lidster VAN 71 6 19 25 0.35 25 36 9 Haller MON 72 11 14 25 0.35 25 117 8 Tippett PIT 73 6 19 25 0.34 25 56 7 Peluso OTT 79 15 10 25 0.32 25 318 -32 DiMaio TB 54 9 15 24 0.44 24 62 0 Brady OTT 55 7 17 24 0.44 24 57 -25 Freer OTT 61 10 14 24 0.39 24 39 -32 Cavallini QUE 66 9 15 24 0.36 24 34 10 Lachance NYI 74 7 17 24 0.32 24 67 -2 Shaw BOS 76 10 14 24 0.32 24 108 9 Berg TOR 78 13 11 24 0.31 24 103 2 Ozolinsh SJ 37 7 16 23 0.62 23 40 -9 Klatt MIN 45 4 19 23 0.51 23 38 6 Loach LA 53 10 13 23 0.43 23 27 3 Todd EDM 55 9 14 23 0.42 23 26 -9 Ashton CAL 56 10 13 23 0.41 23 52 8 McBain OTT 57 7 16 23 0.40 23 43 -35 Gelinas EDM 63 11 12 23 0.37 23 30 2 Bautin WIN 69 5 18 23 0.33 23 92 -2 Krygier WAS 74 11 12 23 0.31 23 60 -14 Johnson MIN 79 3 20 23 0.29 23 105 9 Acton PHI 80 8 15 23 0.29 23 51 -11 Barnes WIN 37 12 10 22 0.59 22 10 -3 Huffman QUE 52 4 18 22 0.42 22 54 0 Sutton BUF 61 8 14 22 0.36 22 30 0 McKay NJ 71 11 11 22 0.31 22 199 1 Konstantinov DET 81 5 17 22 0.27 22 135 23 Pellerin NJ 44 10 11 21 0.48 21 37 -1 Sillinger DET 51 4 17 21 0.41 21 16 0 Volek NYI 56 8 13 21 0.38 21 34 -1 Lindberg CAL 61 9 12 21 0.34 21 18 -4 Evans PHI 65 8 13 21 0.32 21 70 -9 Hamrlik TB 65 6 15 21 0.32 21 65 -20 Gilchrist MIN 68 10 11 21 0.31 21 49 -12 Churla MIN 73 5 16 21 0.29 21 286 -8 Kasparaitis NYI 77 4 17 21 0.27 21 166 14 Loney PIT 81 5 16 21 0.26 21 99 3 Courtenay SJ 38 7 13 20 0.53 20 10 -15 Wilson SJ 42 3 17 20 0.48 20 40 -28 T.Pederson SJ 43 7 13 20 0.47 20 31 -14 Lomakin PHI 48 8 12 20 0.42 20 34 14 Druce WIN 48 6 14 20 0.42 20 37 -5 Hannan BUF 53 5 15 20 0.38 20 41 10 Corriveau HAR 54 8 12 20 0.37 20 12 -20 Bourque NYR 54 6 14 20 0.37 20 39 -9 Hiller DET 60 8 12 20 0.33 20 109 6 Maltais TB 61 7 13 20 0.33 20 35 -19 Burt HAR 62 6 14 20 0.32 20 116 -14 Johansson CAL 75 4 16 20 0.27 20 60 11 Marchment CHI 76 5 15 20 0.26 20 309 13 Diduck VAN 78 6 14 20 0.26 20 163 29 Podein EDM 38 13 6 19 0.50 19 25 -1 Berehowsky TOR 40 4 15 19 0.48 19 61 1 Babych VAN 41 3 16 19 0.46 19 42 4 Audette BUF 42 12 7 19 0.45 19 51 -5 Chorske NJ 50 7 12 19 0.38 19 25 -1 Bassen STL 51 9 10 19 0.37 19 59 -4 Hatcher MIN 65 4 15 19 0.29 19 176 -26 Kucera CHI 70 5 14 19 0.27 19 59 7 Wilson STL 76 8 11 19 0.25 19 44 -7 Macoun TOR 76 4 15 19 0.25 19 55 3 King WIN 77 8 11 19 0.25 19 203 4 Beukeboom NYR 79 2 17 19 0.24 19 153 10 Carkner PHI 80 3 16 19 0.24 19 146 16 Neely BOS 12 11 7 18 1.50 18 25 4 Foligno TOR 54 13 5 18 0.33 18 84 1 Christian CHI 60 4 14 18 0.30 18 12 6 Errey BUF 61 9 9 18 0.30 18 80 1 Gavin MIN 63 10 8 18 0.29 18 59 -4 McLlwain TOR 65 14 4 18 0.28 18 30 -17 Daigneault MON 65 8 10 18 0.28 18 57 24 Ramage MON 74 5 13 18 0.24 18 146 -24 Smith EDM 76 4 14 18 0.24 18 30 -11 Paek PIT 76 3 15 18 0.24 18 64 15 Murphy CHI 17 7 10 17 1.00 17 18 -4 DiPietro MON 27 4 13 17 0.63 17 14 10 M.Pederson SJ 40 10 7 17 0.43 17 24 -20 Nattress PHI 44 7 10 17 0.39 17 29 1 Carbonneau MON 59 4 13 17 0.29 17 20 -8 Yawney CAL 61 1 16 17 0.28 17 65 5 Kasatonov NJ 63 3 14 17 0.27 17 55 7 Roberts BOS 64 5 12 17 0.27 17 103 22 MacDermid WAS 72 9 8 17 0.24 17 80 -13 Odjick VAN 74 4 13 17 0.23 17 360 4 Conacher LA 79 9 8 17 0.22 17 20 -15 Cavallini WAS 79 6 11 17 0.22 17 56 4 Erickson WIN 39 4 12 16 0.41 16 12 2 Straka PIT 41 3 13 16 0.39 16 29 3 Erixon NYR 42 5 11 16 0.38 16 10 13 Murphy BOS 48 5 11 16 0.33 16 60 -14 Ledyard BUF 48 2 14 16 0.33 16 43 0 Butsayev PHI 49 2 14 16 0.33 16 57 2 Ulanov WIN 54 2 14 16 0.30 16 122 6 Carter SJ 55 7 9 16 0.29 16 81 -25 Glynn EDM 62 4 12 16 0.26 16 58 -12 Boschman OTT 68 9 7 16 0.24 16 95 -27 Rumble OTT 68 3 13 16 0.24 16 61 -26 Stanton PIT 76 4 12 16 0.21 16 97 8 Murzyn VAN 77 5 11 16 0.21 16 179 36 Musil CAL 78 6 10 16 0.21 16 129 26 May WAS 80 6 10 16 0.20 16 266 0 Foote QUE 80 4 12 16 0.20 16 168 3 Odelein MON 81 2 14 16 0.20 16 201 35 Andersson NYR 29 4 11 15 0.52 15 16 7 Archibald OTT 42 9 6 15 0.36 15 32 -15 Taylor LA 46 6 9 15 0.33 15 49 2 Lowe NYR 47 3 12 15 0.32 15 58 -1 Domi WIN 59 5 10 15 0.25 15 340 1 McCrimmon DET 60 1 14 15 0.25 15 71 21 Konroyd DET 65 3 12 15 0.23 15 67 -15 Zombo STL 69 0 15 15 0.22 15 78 -4 Butcher STL 82 5 10 15 0.18 15 209 0 Zmolek SJ 83 5 10 15 0.18 15 229 -51 Fergus VAN 36 5 9 14 0.39 14 20 1 Skrudland CAL 38 7 7 14 0.37 14 65 4 Pantaleyev BOS 39 8 6 14 0.36 14 12 -6 Pearson QUE 41 13 1 14 0.34 14 95 3 C.J.Young BOS 43 7 7 14 0.33 14 32 -6 Smail OTT 51 4 10 14 0.27 14 51 -34 Hardy LA 53 1 13 14 0.26 14 89 -1 Broten NYR 58 5 9 14 0.24 14 48 -6 Barr NJ 60 6 8 14 0.23 14 44 3 Taglianetti PIT 71 2 12 14 0.20 14 182 15 Ewen MON 74 5 9 14 0.19 14 191 7 Bergevin TB 76 2 12 14 0.18 14 66 -16 Finn QUE 79 5 9 14 0.18 14 160 -4 Lefebvre TOR 79 2 12 14 0.18 14 90 6 M.Sullivan SJ 81 6 8 14 0.17 14 30 -42 Ojanen NJ 31 4 9 13 0.42 13 14 -2 Reekie TB 42 2 11 13 0.31 13 69 2 Lindsay QUE 44 4 9 13 0.30 13 16 0 Ramsey PIT 44 3 10 13 0.30 13 28 16 Valk VAN 46 6 7 13 0.28 13 73 5 Jelinek OTT 49 7 6 13 0.27 13 52 -21 Needham PIT 55 8 5 13 0.24 13 24 -2 Lowry STL 56 5 8 13 0.23 13 101 -18 Rychel LA 68 6 7 13 0.19 13 293 -14 McGill PHI 70 3 10 13 0.19 13 221 7 Stapleton PIT 78 4 9 13 0.17 13 10 -8 Richardson EDM 80 3 10 13 0.16 13 140 -18 Rouse TOR 80 3 10 13 0.16 13 128 8 Daneyko NJ 82 2 11 13 0.16 13 222 4 Ogrodnick DET 18 6 6 12 0.67 12 2 -3 S. King NYR 24 7 5 12 0.50 12 16 4 Joseph EDM 31 2 10 12 0.39 12 46 -6 Petit CAL 34 3 9 12 0.35 12 50 -6 Williams SJ 39 1 11 12 0.31 12 49 -25 B.Smith MIN 43 5 7 12 0.28 12 8 -6 Bozon STL 52 6 6 12 0.23 12 55 -1 Ronan MON 53 5 7 12 0.23 12 20 6 Dirk VAN 67 4 8 12 0.18 12 146 22 Hunter VAN 72 5 7 12 0.17 12 182 -5 Luongo OTT 74 3 9 12 0.16 12 68 -42 Berube CAL 75 4 8 12 0.16 12 209 -6 Wilson CAL 22 4 7 11 0.50 11 8 10 Vujtek EDM 28 1 10 11 0.39 11 8 -1 Konowalchuk WAS 36 4 7 11 0.31 11 16 4 Snuggerud PHI 39 4 7 11 0.28 11 14 -3 Murray CHI 49 4 7 11 0.22 11 57 -14 Donnelly BUF 58 3 8 11 0.19 11 219 6 Dahl CAL 59 2 9 11 0.19 11 52 9 Kasper TB 66 4 7 11 0.17 11 20 -16 More SJ 73 5 6 11 0.15 11 179 -35 Quintal STL 73 1 10 11 0.15 11 100 -6 Ludwig MIN 76 1 10 11 0.14 11 149 0 Muni CHI 79 0 11 11 0.14 11 73 -15 Lazaro OTT 26 6 4 10 0.38 10 16 -8 Norwood STL 32 3 7 10 0.31 10 63 -5 Featherstone BOS 34 5 5 10 0.29 10 102 6 Murphy OTT 42 3 7 10 0.24 10 28 -18 DeBrusk EDM 49 8 2 10 0.20 10 199 -14 Wells NYR 50 1 9 10 0.20 10 105 -2 Kimble BOS 54 7 3 10 0.19 10 177 4 Corkum BUF 67 6 4 10 0.15 10 38 -2 Dahlquist CAL 73 3 7 10 0.14 10 66 -2 Gordijuk BUF 16 3 6 9 0.56 9 0 4 Hurlbut NYR 23 1 8 9 0.39 9 16 4 Boivin PHI 30 5 4 9 0.30 9 76 -5 Moller BUF 35 2 7 9 0.26 9 83 6 Cunneyworth HAR 36 5 4 9 0.25 9 61 -1 Petrovicky HAR 42 3 6 9 0.21 9 45 -10 McRae STL 45 3 6 9 0.20 9 167 -13 Cirella NYR 52 3 6 9 0.17 9 83 4 Maley SJ 55 2 7 9 0.16 9 143 -27 Daniels PIT 57 5 4 9 0.16 9 14 -6 Hughes BOS 61 5 4 9 0.15 9 191 -5 Lalor WIN 62 1 8 9 0.15 9 74 -13 K.Samuelson PIT 63 3 6 9 0.14 9 106 25 McKenzie HAR 63 3 6 9 0.14 9 202 -9 Kocur NYR 64 3 6 9 0.14 9 129 -9 Loewen OTT 77 4 5 9 0.12 9 145 -25 Houlder BUF 13 3 5 8 0.62 8 6 7 T.Sweeney BOS 14 1 7 8 0.57 8 6 1 Douris BOS 18 4 4 8 0.44 8 4 5 Keczmer HAR 21 4 4 8 0.38 8 28 -2 Greig HAR 22 1 7 8 0.36 8 27 -11 Day HAR 24 1 7 8 0.33 8 47 -8 Werenka EDM 27 5 3 8 0.30 8 24 1 Tatarinov QUE 28 2 6 8 0.29 8 28 6 McDonough SJ 30 6 2 8 0.27 8 6 -21 Hill MON 30 2 6 8 0.27 8 47 -5 K.Brown CHI 31 2 6 8 0.26 8 37 4 Loiselle NYI 38 5 3 8 0.21 8 84 -4 Hudson EDM 39 1 7 8 0.21 8 44 -8 Hedican STL 40 0 8 8 0.20 8 30 -4 Roberge MON 48 4 4 8 0.17 8 140 3 Ahola SJ 49 3 5 8 0.16 8 36 -11 McIntyre NYR 57 3 5 8 0.14 8 82 -14 Anderson WAS 57 2 6 8 0.14 8 18 -1 Houda HAR 57 2 6 8 0.14 8 163 -21 Hartman TB 58 4 4 8 0.14 8 154 -7 Wilkinson SJ 58 1 7 8 0.14 8 96 -48 Hammond OTT 61 4 4 8 0.13 8 104 -40 Barrasso PIT 62 0 8 8 0.13 8 20 0 Kennedy WIN 77 1 7 8 0.10 8 105 -4 Eastwood TOR 12 1 6 7 0.58 7 21 -2 Quintin SJ 14 2 5 7 0.50 7 4 -4 R.Brown CHI 15 1 6 7 0.47 33 33 6 Godynyuk CAL 26 3 4 7 0.27 7 17 7 Rice EDM 26 2 5 7 0.27 7 13 -5 Murray BOS 27 3 4 7 0.26 7 8 -6 Wiemer BOS 27 1 6 7 0.26 7 48 -1 Berezan SJ 28 3 4 7 0.25 7 28 -18 Marois NYI 28 2 5 7 0.25 7 35 -3 Mallette NJ 34 4 3 7 0.21 7 56 3 Hynes PHI 36 3 4 7 0.19 7 16 -3 Gilhen TB 42 3 4 7 0.17 7 12 -13 Chase STL 49 2 5 7 0.14 7 204 -9 Vukota NYI 71 2 5 7 0.10 7 199 4 Zettler SJ 79 0 7 7 0.09 7 150 -48 Lafreniere TB 9 3 3 6 0.67 6 4 -5 Propp MIN 15 3 3 6 0.40 6 0 -8 Belanger MON 18 4 2 6 0.33 6 4 1 Kerr HAR 22 0 6 6 0.27 6 7 -11 Shuchuk LA 23 2 4 6 0.26 6 14 4 Bergland TB 25 3 3 6 0.24 6 11 -9 Vaske NYI 25 1 5 6 0.24 6 30 6 Carney BUF 29 2 4 6 0.21 6 51 2 Dinnen OTT 31 2 4 6 0.19 6 30 -19 Albelin NJ 34 1 5 6 0.18 6 14 -1 Patterson BUF 35 4 2 6 0.17 6 18 -2 Ladouceur HAR 59 2 4 6 0.10 6 107 -17 Russell CHI 66 2 4 6 0.09 6 151 5 Lang LA 11 0 5 5 0.45 5 2 -3 Lipuma TB 13 0 5 5 0.38 5 32 1 Brown NJ 15 0 5 5 0.33 5 2 3 Kozlov DET 16 4 1 5 0.31 5 14 -1 Savage WAS 16 2 3 5 0.31 5 12 -4 Bruce SJ 17 2 3 5 0.29 5 33 -14 Byers SJ 18 4 1 5 0.28 5 122 -2 Conroy PHI 18 3 2 5 0.28 5 17 0 Van Allen EDM 21 1 4 5 0.24 5 6 -2 Richer BOS 23 1 4 5 0.22 5 18 -9 Wolanin QUE 23 1 4 5 0.22 5 49 8 Leach HAR 24 3 2 5 0.21 5 4 -7 Prokhorov STL 26 4 1 5 0.19 5 15 -4 Kruse CAL 26 2 3 5 0.19 5 41 3 Richter NYR 35 0 5 5 0.14 5 2 0 Bawa SJ 41 5 0 5 0.12 5 47 -24 Osiecki MIN 42 1 4 5 0.12 5 19 -20 Matvichuk MIN 51 2 3 5 0.10 5 26 -7 Pedersen HAR 58 1 4 5 0.09 5 60 2 Jennings PIT 58 0 5 5 0.09 5 65 7 Essensa WIN 66 0 5 5 0.08 5 2 0 Ray BUF 68 3 2 5 0.07 5 211 -3 McKim BOS 7 1 3 4 0.57 4 0 2 Faust PHI 8 2 2 4 0.50 4 4 3 Smolinski BOS 8 1 3 4 0.50 4 0 3 Fogarty PIT 12 0 4 4 0.33 4 4 -3 Hervey TB 15 0 4 4 0.27 4 36 -4 Picard SJ 25 4 0 4 0.16 4 24 -17 Reese CAL 25 0 4 4 0.16 4 4 0 Romaniuk WIN 28 3 1 4 0.14 4 22 0 Thompson LA 28 0 4 4 0.14 4 79 -3 Pilon NYI 41 1 3 4 0.10 4 146 -3 Giles STL 48 0 4 4 0.08 4 40 -2 Baron STL 53 2 2 4 0.08 4 59 -5 Cheveldae DET 66 0 4 4 0.06 4 4 0 Hankinson NJ 4 2 1 3 0.75 3 9 2 McDougall EDM 4 2 1 3 0.75 3 4 2 Felsner STL 4 0 3 3 0.75 3 0 0 Ruff TB 8 2 1 3 0.38 3 8 -1 Petrov MON 9 2 1 3 0.33 3 10 2 Black MIN 10 2 1 3 0.30 3 4 0 Morris SJ 14 0 3 3 0.21 3 6 -11 Walter VAN 23 3 0 3 0.13 3 8 -2 Hrivnak WIN 29 0 3 3 0.10 3 0 0 Wakaluk MIN 29 0 3 3 0.10 3 20 0 Dufresne MON 30 1 2 3 0.10 3 30 0 Cronin PHI 34 2 1 3 0.09 3 37 0 Smyth CAL 34 1 2 3 0.09 3 95 3 Hrudey LA 48 0 3 3 0.06 3 8 0 Marsh OTT 57 0 3 3 0.05 3 30 -25 Casey MIN 58 0 3 3 0.05 3 28 0 Berry MIN 61 0 3 3 0.05 3 107 4 Ranford EDM 66 0 3 3 0.05 3 10 0 Belfour CHI 69 0 3 3 0.04 3 28 0 Rivers TB 4 0 2 2 0.50 2 2 -2 Forslund CAL 5 0 2 2 0.40 2 0 0 Capuano TB 6 1 1 2 0.33 2 2 -4 Djoos NYR 6 1 1 2 0.33 2 2 0 Cummins DET 7 1 1 2 0.29 2 58 0 Otevrel SJ 7 0 2 2 0.29 2 0 -6 Kolstad SJ 10 0 2 2 0.20 2 12 -9 Osborne TB 11 1 1 2 0.18 2 8 -1 Wood SJ 12 1 1 2 0.17 2 71 -5 Brickley WIN 12 0 2 2 0.17 2 2 0 Eakins WIN 14 0 2 2 0.14 2 38 2 Simon QUE 15 1 1 2 0.13 2 67 -2 Bennett CHI 16 0 2 2 0.13 2 8 -2 Gillis HAR 18 1 1 2 0.11 2 38 0 Carlyle WIN 22 1 1 2 0.09 2 14 -6 Nylund NYI 22 1 1 2 0.09 2 43 -2 Blue BOS 22 0 2 2 0.09 2 6 0 Watters LA 22 0 2 2 0.09 2 18 -3 Woolley WAS 23 0 2 2 0.09 2 10 0 Whitmore VAN 29 0 2 2 0.07 2 2 0 Stauber LA 30 0 2 2 0.07 2 2 0 W.Young TB 31 0 2 2 0.06 2 2 0 Roussel PHI 32 0 2 2 0.06 2 11 0 Twist QUE 34 0 2 2 0.06 2 64 0 Fiset QUE 37 0 2 2 0.05 2 2 0 Jablonski TB 42 0 2 2 0.05 2 7 0 Soderstrom PHI 43 0 2 2 0.05 2 4 0 Healy NYI 46 0 2 2 0.04 2 2 0 Burke HAR 50 0 2 2 0.04 2 25 0 Hextall QUE 53 0 2 2 0.04 2 56 0 Roy MON 61 0 2 2 0.03 2 16 0 Vernon CAL 63 0 2 2 0.03 2 42 0 Joseph STL 66 0 2 2 0.03 2 8 0 Brown PHI 67 0 2 2 0.03 2 76 -5 Grimson CHI 76 1 1 2 0.03 2 186 2 Barnaby BUF 1 1 0 1 1.00 1 0 0 Ratushny VAN 1 0 1 1 1.00 1 0 0 Zholtok BOS 1 0 1 1 1.00 1 0 1 Sullivan NJ 2 0 1 1 0.50 1 0 -1 Duncanson NYR 3 0 1 1 0.33 1 0 0 Beaufait SJ 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 0 -1 Bowen PHI 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 2 0 MacDonald BUF 4 1 0 1 0.25 1 2 0 Esau QUE 4 0 1 1 0.25 1 2 1 D.Smith MIN 9 0 1 1 0.11 1 2 -2 Vial DET 9 0 1 1 0.11 1 20 1 Brown BUF 10 0 1 1 0.10 1 6 -5 Draper BUF 11 0 1 1 0.09 1 2 0 Karpa QUE 11 0 1 1 0.09 1 13 -6 Tichy CHI 13 0 1 1 0.08 1 30 7 Gosselin HAR 15 0 1 1 0.07 1 2 0 Fortier LA 16 0 1 1 0.06 1 11 -9 Hayward SJ 18 0 1 1 0.06 1 2 0 McGill TOR 19 1 0 1 0.05 1 34 5 Bergeron TB 19 0 1 1 0.05 1 0 0 Potvin LA 19 0 1 1 0.05 1 52 -9 Berthiaume OTT 23 0 1 1 0.04 1 2 0 Racicot MON 25 0 1 1 0.04 1 6 0 Wregget PIT 25 0 1 1 0.04 1 6 0 Ciccone MIN 29 0 1 1 0.03 1 106 3 Puppa TOR 32 0 1 1 0.03 1 0 0 Hackett SJ 36 0 1 1 0.03 1 4 0 Fitzpatrick NYI 37 0 1 1 0.03 1 2 0 Billington NJ 40 0 1 1 0.03 1 8 0 Potvin TOR 46 0 1 1 0.02 1 4 0 Vanbiesbrouk NYR 48 0 1 1 0.02 1 18 0 McLean VAN 54 0 1 1 0.02 1 16 0 Moog BOS 54 0 1 1 0.02 1 14 0 Beaupre WAS 57 0 1 1 0.02 1 20 0 Baumgartner TOR 61 1 0 1 0.02 1 155 -11 Bales BOS 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Burridge WAS 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Chabot MON 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 D'Alessio HAR 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Littman TB 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Parks NYI 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Semchuk LA 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 St. Amour OTT 1 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Cimellaro OTT 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -2 Cote TB 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -1 Marcinyshyn NYR 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 -1 O'Neill WIN 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Raglan TB 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Williams LA 2 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0 Charron MON 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Ciavaglia BUF 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Cloutier QUE 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Hamr OTT 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 -3 Wamsley TOR 3 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Hirsch NYR 4 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 O'Connor NJ 7 0 0 0 0.00 0 9 -4 J.Messier NYR 9 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0 Knickle LA 10 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Chapdelaine LA 13 0 0 0 0.00 0 12 -6 Shannon TOR 15 0 0 0 0.00 0 11 -2 Agnew HAR 16 0 0 0 0.00 0 68 3 Waite CHI 20 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Langway WAS 21 0 0 0 0.00 0 20 -13 Riendeau DET 22 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Hebert STL 23 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Tabaracci WAS 23 0 0 0 0.00 0 12 0 Tugnutt EDM 25 0 0 0 0.00 0 2 0 Caufield PIT 26 0 0 0 0.00 0 60 -1 Hasek BUF 27 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 Pietrangelo HAR 30 0 0 0 0.00 0 4 0 Irbe SJ 35 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0 Terreri NJ 47 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0 Fuhr BUF 56 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0 Sidorkiewicz OTT 63 0 0 0 0.00 0 8 0 -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard - 5281,6,"From: tin@phan.Eng.Sun.COM (Tin Phan) Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: phan Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours In article <79599@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check > sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods. I reserve the > right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective > or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or > the check would be mailed within 24 hours). > > Mark Thorson I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether the phone is working. Tin " 5282,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Moonbase race X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 26 From: Gene Wright >With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints >by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about >that might just work. >Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. >Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin >to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! I'll say! Imagine that there were a couple groups up there, maybe landing a few weeks apart. The year-mark starts coming on for the first group. Isn't a billion pretty good incentive to take a shot at a potential winner? ""Yeah, that's a shame that Team A's life support gave out so close to the deadline. Thanks for the billion."" On the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks in space, in 1970 dollars, then won't the reward have to be a lot more than only 1 billion to get any takers? -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5283,4,"From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) Subject: Recommend me a PS printer Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 84 I'm in the market for a laser printer. Used printers are fine, non-apple printers are fine, but whatever printer I get must fit the following: Required features: - PostScript - 300 dpi - emough memory to download fonts - The cheaper, the better. I'd prefer under $1000. Nice things: - anything over 4 pages per minute - scsi output for a font disk - smallish footprint Don't Care About: - PostScript Level II - networking (its just for me, and always will be) - color I know about Freedom of Press, but I've also heard that its painfully slow. I can tolerate about 4 ppm, but anything slower than that and I'm not going to consider the price savings worth it. I'd be curious to hear people's experience with it, tho. I also infinitely prefer laser over ink; I used to use HP deskjets in my last job and wasn't impressed with the quality. I'm a laser bigot and the first to admit it. :) I'll be using the printer to layout pages of a book I'm writing. The page will include multiple fonts, PS graphics, scanned line art and maybe greyscale pictures (not sure yet). The quality doesn't need to be spectacular, but it needs to be clear and readable. Printers I've been looking at: - used LaserWriters: The plus, the NT, the NTR. Its my understanding that only the NTR has a SCSI out for a disk. True? - Personal LaserWriter (LS and NTR). I have access to the Apple Employee discount (I work for one of Apple's spinoffs), so I can get these reasonably cheaply. I've heard bad things about the LS; comments? I'm leaning towards the Personal NTR, cause it has a nice small footprint. - LaserWriter Select 300. I hear it doesn't have PostScript, but I haven't seen anything for sure. I heard mumbles once about a ""postscript upgrade."" ?? - Used HP LaserJets. I've worked with the II and IIP on another platform, and they were *painfully* slow. Are they that bad on the mac? - I've seen ads for an Epson PS laserprinter that is running quite cheap. Any comments on this printer? I hate the styling (too many ouput trays), but if its a decent printer I'll consider it. Thanks for any comments... -- ********************************************************* Laura Lemay lemay@netcom.com writer of trifles in shadows and blood ********************************************************* " 5284,2,"From: bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za (Simon Bernstein) Subject: BOCA XGA3 woes Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hi. I am having some interesting problems with my Boca graphics card, which is based on the Cirrus Logic chipset (I am not sure exactly which one). The problem is as follows: If I use any Windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64K-colour driver (ie 16 colour or 256 colour), the image on screen becomes too tall - no amount of resizing on the monitor will make it fit. And if I use Excel with the 64K- colour driver, it hangs as soon as it loads. Anyone out there used this card/experienced anything similar. Please reply by mail, and I will post any solutions here. Regards - Simon -- +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | Simon Bernstein | ""Man is condemned to be free"" (Sartre) | | University of Natal, Durban +--------------------------------------------+ | bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za | Simonfish on IRC | +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ " 5285,3,"From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ) Subject: Re: 3.5 floppy only reads what IT wrote Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Reply-To: Nick FitzGerald Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 31 In article <1434@netxcom.netx.com>, pdressne@netxcom.netx.com (Peter Dressner) writes: > I have a Gateway with a 3.5 floppy. The drive only reads files it > wrote to the floppy. Floppies that have been formatted and > contain files from other machines are unreadable. Also, 3.5 floppies > that were written by this defective floppy drive a long time ago are > also unreadable. > > This sounds like a head alignment problem. Too right it does! > ... How does one go about > fixing it? Are there alignment screws that you can adjust? The --VERY VERY FIRST-- thing you do is make sure that --ALL-- files on the floppies that you can currently read in the drive, which aren't already on your HD or another floppy (if you have -two- floppy drives) get copied to your HD (and/or to a floppy in your other drive). If you don't do this before fixing the alignment problem you have kissd those files goodbye. (Well, you can -try- to re-misalign the drive back to read your floppies, but don't count on be able to do so!) Generally, head alignment is something I'd only trust to a good repair shop (though there are/have been DIY guides). +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Nick FitzGerald, PC Applications Consultant, CSC, Uni of Canterbury, N.Z. n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz TEL:+64(3)364 2337, FAX:+64(3)364 2332 " 5286,7,"From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Spuzy"" Moss) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 4 The rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked like the ones are doing under your spare in the Probe. I tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them and put them back in. " 5287,2,"From: terryh@cae.wisc.edu (Terry Henning) Subject: Help with a Windows drum machine! Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 21 Hello, I'm trying to get a drum program to work that I downloaded from ftp.cica.indiana.edu in the pub/pc/win3/sounds directory. It's called drum.zip. I have an ATI Stereo FX card with the latest Windows drivers installed. When I try to run the drum program, it reports that a MIDI device is not installed, however the drivers utility in the control panel reports that it is installed. Anyone have any idea how to set up the MIDI device so that the drum program will work with my setup? What I'm trying to do is use my computer as a metronome. Someone suggested that I try one of the drum machines that are circulating around out there. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry terryh@cae.wisc.edu " 5288,18,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Lines: 66 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr16.164750.21913@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: >> Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very > >> own CNN news LOGO! >> >> Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. >> >> Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this >> seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching >> time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by >> now. >> >> I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who >> was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". >> > >Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue >persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year. > >However.... > >Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they >will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible >(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they >have in Europe) >and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate >and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give >the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, The Republicans are, in general, fighting any tax increase. There is also worry that a VAT would be far too easy to increase incrementally. (BTW, what is different between Canada's tax and most of Europe's that makes it ""visible?"") >and >force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax >rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could >be increased only via a national referendum. This would require a constitutional amendment, and Congress enjoys raising taxes too much to restrict themselves like that. (Besides, with the 2/3 majority necessary to pull that off you'd have a difficult time ""forcing"" anything like that.) >Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile... >shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get >health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate >all in one fell swoop. Primarily because it's a practical impossibility to ""freeze"" tax rates. However, this is something that bothers me. We're always talking about ""consumer confidence"" and ""consumer spending"" as gauges for the economy. If they really are important, wouldn't shifting taxes to consumption provide a disincentive to spend money? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 5289,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: na Lines: 54 I am eager to hear the legal theory behind restricting exchange of cryptographic data and encrypted messages, given the first admendment; the theory behind regulating the *personal* encryption of one's personal *thoughts and feelings* seems even less tenable. Perhaps if we make a *treaty* with, say, Iceland, to restrict crypto paraphernalia can a good ""end run"" around the Constitution happen... (Treaties -- as someone pointed out -- has the force of any other ""law of the land"". Like the Bill of Rights.) Amendment 1 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment 2 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment 3 No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment 4 The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment 5 No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Well -- at least for a few minutes we had some privacy... -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 5290,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 24 In article , bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) wrote: > > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It > makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he > writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, > in the process he became a Christian himself. Seems he didn't understand anything about realities, liar, lunatic or the real thing is a very narrow view of the possibilities of Jesus message. Sigh, it seems religion makes your mind/brain filter out anything that does not fit into your personal scheme. So anyone that thinks the possibilities with Jesus is bound to the classical Lewis notion of 'liar, lunatic or saint' is indeed bound to become a Christian. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5291,1,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes: >> I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >> some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. >> >> Can you please offer some recommendations? I think APDA has something called MacWireFrame which is a full wire-frame (and supposedly hidden-line removal) library. I think it weighs in at $99 (but I've been wrong on an order of magnitude before) >Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I can relate to that /h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- ""On a clear disc, you can seek forever."" " 5292,8,"From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) Subject: Re: story Keywords: PARTY!!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa Organization: Calvin College Lines: 12 lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes: >allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the >signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of >thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The >street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The >crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY? And still we wonder why they stereotype us... -Erc. " 5293,7,"From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 18 >sure sounds like they got a ringer. the 325is i drove was definitely >faster than that. if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows >0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9. it quotes Car and Driver's figures >of 6.9 and 15.3. oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i. Car and Driver rated the 325is (1988) at 7.2 0-60 , 1/4 at 15.2 (after 30k miles) last time I checked 8#}. Automobile magazine rated new 325is 1/4 mile@16.2. Gee , aint quotiin funner than the dickens! Sounds like we need a race. I'll let you have the newer version. Can someone out there lend me a 1988 325is for a day 8-]. I wont hurt it, I promise. >i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it. >but don't take my word for it. go drive it. Actually I will take your word on it. I refuse to test it (new 325is) because I love BMW's and would probably want to buy it. Problem is, my income just doesn't support that. " 5294,12,"From: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca (Bill Morrow) Subject: Amplifier into CD-ROM earphone plug ? Nntp-Posting-Host: cns16.cns.ucalgary.ca Organization: University of Calgary Lines: 16 We have a Sun CD-ROM drive which I would like to play audio CD's in. I have an old 10 watt amplifier which works fine when connected to a junk ""Walkman"" style AM/FM radio. This amp ties the common path of the earphone connection to ground. However, it doesn't work with my Sony Walkman cassette player, or the CD drive, it produces of loud low-frequency tone. Obviously Sony doesn't ground the earphone output common. Does anyone have specs on the CD drive's output? Will an audio transformer help? What are others using to play there CD's in the Sun drive so that more than one can listen? Thanks for the help. -- Bill Morrow Clinical Neurosciences, University of Calgary e-mail: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca voice: (403) 220-6275 fax: (403) 283-8770 3330 Hospital Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2N 4N1 " 5295,19,"From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: AT&T Lines: 9 cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes: > David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire >was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities >knocked over a lantern. Sort of a ""Mrs. O'Leary's"" tank theory? Moooo. --- Joe Knapp jmk@cbvox.att.com " 5296,11,"From: boucher@csl.sri.com (Peter K. Boucher) Subject: Pseudo-Random Character Generators (large state) Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 171 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Here are four pseudo-random character generators, based on irreducible trinomials. Each contains 16 separate trinomials, one of which is selected on initialization (there are 64 distinct trinomials between the 4 PRCGs). The PRCGs are initialized with a 32-bit seed, and a 4-bit trinomial- selector. I would like to get comments on these by anyone who is interested enough to look them over. Please email, because our news is on the fritz (Note that this was posted via email). Peter K. 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Over here there was very little about the suffering of the Iraqi > civilians until towards the end of the war; and then it was confined to the > few remaining quality newspapers. True. At first, the news media seemed entranced by all the new gizmos the military was using, not to mention the taped video transmissions from the missiles as they zeroed in on their targets. But later, and especially after the bunker full of civilians was hit, they changed their tone. It seemed to me that they didn't have the stomach for the reality of war, that innocent people really do die and are maimed in warfare. It's like they were only pro-Gulf-War as long as it was ""nice and clean"" (smart missiles dropping in on military HQs), but not when pictures of dead, dying, and maimed civilians started cropping up. What naive hypocrites! > >>>> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? >>>> I don't hear you bemoaning them! [ discussion about blanket-bombing and A-bombs deleted.] >>> >> All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were >> essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick ^^^^^^^^^ >> end to avoid even greater allied losses. I should have said here ""militarily justified"". It seems from your comments below that you understood this as meaning ""morally justified"". I apologize. > > What about the evidence that America knew Japan was about to surrender after > Hiroshima but *before* Nagasaki? Is that another lie peddled by the liberal > media conspiracy? I have often wondered about this. I've always thought that the first bomb should have been dropped on Japan's island fortress of Truk. A good, inpenatrable military target. The second bomb could've been held back for use on an industrial center if need be. But I digress. Yes, I have heard that we found evidence (after the war, BTW) that Japan was seriously considering surrender after the first bomb. Unfortunately, the military junta won out over the moderates and rejected the US's ulimatum. Therefore the second bomb was dropped. Most unfortunate, IMO. > >> I, for one, don't regret it. > > Nuke a Jap for Jesus! > I don't regret the fact that sometimes military decisions have to be made which affect the lives of innocent people. But I do regret the circumstances which make those decisions necessary, and I regret the suffering caused by those decisions. [...] >>> Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet? >>> If Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks >>> before we started bombing? >> >> I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the >> West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America, >> misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and >> threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's >> oil supply, he had to be stopped. > > Oh, I see. So we can overlook his using chemical weapons on thousands of > people, but if he threatens your right to drive a huge gas-guzzling car, > well, the man's gotta go. Actually, it was the fact that both situations existed that prompted US and allied action. If some back-water country took over some other back-water country, we probably wouldn't intervene. Not that we don't care, but we can't be the world's policman. Or if a coup had occured in Kuwait (instead of an invasion), then we still wouldn't have acted because there would not have been the imminent danger perceived to Saudi Arabia. But the combination of the two, an unprovoked invasion by a genocidal tyrant AND the potential danger to the West's oil interests, caused us to take action. > > [ I've moved a paragraph from here to later on ] > [...] >> >> If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would >> have been appeasement. > > Right. But did you ever hear anyone advocate such a course of action? Or > are you just setting up a strawman? > I'm not setting up a strawman at all. If you want to argue against the war, then the only logical alternative was to allow Hussein to keep Kuwait. Diplomatic alternatives, including sanctions, were ineffective. >>>> I guess we >>>> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent >>>> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. >>> >>> Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know. >> >> Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in >> his grandiose quest for a ""Thousand Year Reich"". The consequences >> stemmed from that. > > Translation: ""They were asking for it"". > Well, in a sense, yes. They probably had no idea of what end Hitler would lead their nation to. > But what about those who didn't support Hitler's dreams of conquest? It's > not as if they democratically voted for all his policies. The NSDAP got 43% > in the elections of 1933, and that was the last chance the German people got > to vote on the matter. They suffered along with the rest. Why does this bother you so much? The world is full of evil, and circumstances are not perfect. Many innocents suffer due to the wrongful actions of others. It it regretable, but that's The-Way-It-Is. There are no perfect solutions. [...] >>> >>> I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and >>> Tibet. >> >> What should I say about them? Anything in particular? > > The people of East Timor are still being killed by a dictatorship that > invaded their country. Hell, even Western journalists have been killed. All > this was happening before the Gulf War. Why didn't we send in the bombers to > East Timor? Why aren't we sending in the bombers NOW? Probably because we're not the saviors of the world. We can't police each and every country that decides to self-destruct or invade another. Nor are we in a strategic position to get relief to Tibet, East Timor, or some other places. > > [ Here's that paragraph I moved ] > >>> What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't >>> doing a very good job of it. >> >> Well, it's not very ""loving"" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up >> nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass >> slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to >> say yes, stopping Hussein was the most ""loving"" thing to do for the >> most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest. > > The Chinese government has a policy of mandatory abortion and sterilization > of Tibetans. Tibetan people are rounded up, tortured, and executed. Amnesty > International recently reported that torture is still widespread in China. > > Why aren't we stopping them? In fact, why are we actively sucking up to them > by trading freely with them? Tell me how we could stop them and I'll support it. I, for one, do not agree with the present US policy of ""sucking up to them"" as you put it. I agree that it is deplorable. > >>>> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* >>>> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? >>> >>> Yes. Amongst the things I thought were ""Hmm, there's an awful lot of white >>> people in that jury."" >> >> So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!! > > Erm, surely it's irrelevant who's on trial? Juries are supposed to represent > a cross-section of the population. Are they? Or are they supposed to reflect the population of the locale where the trial is held? (Normally this is where the crime is committed unless one party or the other can convince the judge a change of venue is in order.) I'm not an expert on California law, or even US law, but it seems that this is the way the system is set up. You can criticize the system, but let's not have unfounded allegations of racial prejudice thrown around. > >> And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers! > > You are saying that black people are not the peers of white people? No, not at all. The point is that the fact that there were no blacks on the first jury and that Rodney King is black is totally irrelevant. > >> This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow. > > This idea of people only being tried before a jury of people just like them > is really stupid. Should the Nuremburg trials have had a jury entirely made > up of Nazis? Germans, perhaps. ""Peers"" doesn't mean ""those who do the same thing"", like having murderers judge murderers. It means ""having people from the same station in life"", presumably because they are in a better position to understand the defendent's motivation(s). > >>>> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those >>>> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. >>>> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I >>>> have not seen. >>> >>> When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on >>> the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have >>> been. >> >> So? It's ""hard to imagine""? So when has Argument from Incredulity >> gained acceptance from the revered author of ""Constructing a Logical >> Argument""? > > We're not talking about a logical argument. We're talking about a court of > law. As the FAQ points out, some fallacious arguments are not viewed as > fallacies in a court of law. OK, granted. However, you are using this reasoning as part of *your* logical argument in this discussion. This is not a court of law. > >> If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then >> I feel the ""not guilty"" verdict was a reasonable one. > > Were you not talking earlier about the bias of the liberal media conspiracy? > The media is not totally monolithic. Even though there is a prevailing liberal bias, programs such as the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour try to give a balanced and fair reporting of the news. There are even conservative sources out there if you know where to look. (Hurrah for Rush!) BTW, I never used the word ""conspiracy"". I don't accept (without *far* more evidence) theories that there is some all-pervading liberal conspiracy attempting to take over all news sources. >>> ""Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing, >>> in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way, >>> as unfortunately it cannot be helped."" >>> -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians >> >> Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a >> Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.) >> >> Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem >> contradictory. But then, you know that already. > > Ha ha, only serious. > > I, an atheist, am arguing against killing innocent people. > > You, a supposed Christian, are arguing that it's OK to kill innocent people > so long as you get some guilty ones as well. Hardly. I didn't say that it's a Good Thing [tm] to kill innocent people if the end is just. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and there are no perfect solutions. If one is going to resist tyranny, then innocent people on both sides are going to suffer and die. I didn't say it is OK -- it is unfortunate, but sometimes necessary. > > I, a moral relativist, am arguing that saturation bombing of German cities at > the end of World War II was (as far as I can see) an evil and unnecessary act. I would agree that it was evil in the sense that it caused much pain and suffering. I'm not so sure that it was unnecessary as you say. That conclusion can only be arrived at by evaluating all the factors involved. And perhaps it *was* unnecessary as (let's say) we now know. That doesn't mean that those who had to make the decision to bomb didn't see it as being necessary. Rarely can one have full known of the consequences of an action before making a decision. At the time it may have seemed necessary enough to go ahead with it. But don't assume that I feel the bombing was *morally* justified -- I don't! I just don't condemn those who had to make a difficult decision under difficult circumstances. > > You, having criticised moral relativism in the past, are now arguing that I am > in no position to judge the morality of allied actions at the end of the > War. You certainly are not in such a position if you are a moral relativist. I, as an absolutist, am in a position to judge, but I defer judgment. > You are arguing that the actions need to be assessed in the particular > context of the time, and that they might have been moral then but not moral > now. Wrong. They were neither moral then nor now. They seemed necessary to those making the decisions to bring a quick end to the war. I simply refuse to condemn them for their decision. > > Where's your Christian love? Where's your absolute morality? Oh, how quick > you are to discard them when it suits you. As Ivan Stang would say, ""Jesus > would puke!"" One day I will stand before Jesus and give account of every word and action; even this discourse in this forum. I understand the full ramifications of that, and I am prepared to do so. I don't believe that you can make the same claim. > > mathew And BTW, the reason I brought up the blanket-bombing in Germany was because you were bemoaning the Iraqi civilian casualties as being ""so deplorable"". Yet blanket bombing was instituted because bombing wasn't accurate enough to hit industrial/military targets in a decisive way by any other method at that time. But in the Gulf War, precision bombing was the norm. So the point was, why make a big stink about the relatively few civilian casualties that resulted *in spite of* precision bombing, when so many more civilians (proportionately and quantitatively) died under the blanket bombing in WW2? Even with precision bombing, mistakes happen and some civilians suffer. But less civilians suffered in this war than any other iany other in history! Many Iraqi civilians went about their lives with minimal interference from the allied air raids. The stories of ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi civilian dead is just plain bunk. Yes, bunk. The US lost 230,000 servicemen in WW2 over four years and the majority of them were directly involved in fighting! But we are expected to swallow that ""hundreds of thousands"" of *civilian* Iraqis died in a war lasting about 2 months! And with the Allies using the most precise bombs ever created at that! What hogwash. If ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi civilians died, it was due to actions Hussein took on his own people, not due to the Allied bombing. Regards, Jim B. " 5298,7,"From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 5 sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message: Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you. " 5299,14,"Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they? From: belgarath@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Organization: Mankato State University Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.mankato.msus.edu Lines: 67 In article <1radsr$att@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? > > Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are > quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? > > Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? > > my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering > hyperspace :-) > > but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they > are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered > if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in. > > pat Well, lets see....I took a class on this last fall, and I have no notes so I'll try to wing it... Here's how I understand it. Remember from stellar evolution that black holes and neutron stars(pulsars) are formed from high mass stars, M(star)=1.4M(sun). High mass stars live fast and burn hard, taking appoximately 10^5-10^7 years before going nova, or supernova. In this time, they don't live long enough to get perturbed out of the galactic plane, so any of these (if assumed to be the sources of GRB's) will be in the plane of the galaxy. Then we take the catalog of bursts that have been recieved from the various satellites around the solar system, (Pioneer Venus has one, either Pion. 10 or 11, GINGA, and of course BATSE) and we do distribution tests on our catalog. These tests all show, that the bursts have an isotropic distribution(evenly spread out in a radial direction), and they show signs of homogeneity, i.e. they do not clump in any one direction. So, unless we are sampling the area inside the disk of the galaxy, we are sampling the UNIVERSE. Not cool, if you want to figure out what the hell caused these things. Now, I suppose you are saying, ""Well, we stil only may be sampling from inside the disk."" Well, not necessarily. Remember, we have what is more or less an interplanetary network of burst detectors with a baseline that goes waaaay out to beyond Pluto(pioneer 11), so we should be able, with all of our detectors de tect some sort of difference in angle from satellite to satellite. Here's an analogy: You see a plane overhead. You measure the angle of the plane from the origin of your arbitrary coordinate system. One of your friends a mile away sees the same plane, and measures the angle from the zero point of his arbitrary system, which is the same as yours. The two angles are different, and you should be able to triangulate the position of your burst, and maybe find a source. To my knowledge, no one has been able to do this. I should throw in why halo, and corona models don't work, also. As I said before, looking at the possible astrophysics of the bursts, (short timescales, high energy) black holes, and pulsars exhibit much of this type of behavior. If this is the case, as I said before, these stars seem to be bound to the disk of the galaxy, especially the most energetic of the these sources. When you look at a simulated model, where the bursts are confined to the disk, but you sample out to large distances, say 750 mpc, you should definitely see not only an anisotropy towards you in all direction, but a clumping of sources in the direction of the galactic center. As I said before, there is none of these characteristics. I think that's all of it...if someone needs clarification, or knows something that I don't know, by all means correct me. I had the honor of taking the Bursts class with the person who has done the modeling of these different distributions, so we pretty much kicked around every possible distribution there was, and some VERY outrageous sources. Colliding pulsars, black holes, pulsars that are slowing down...stuff like that. It's a fun field. Complaints and corrections to: belgarath@vax1.mankato.msus.edu or post here. -jeremy " 5300,4,"From: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali) Subject: PDS cards for the LCIII Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Are there any PDS expansion cards out there that specifically take advantage of the LCIII's 32 bit data path and 25MHz clock speed? If they exist, are they significantly faster than the LC/LCII versions? -- farul ghazali. columbia university in the city of new york. " 5301,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Is car saftey important? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >In article <1r1jr9$m1v@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes: >>I figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough >>for me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are >>lots of low-speed collisions that do worry me. >Get into an 30+ mph accident and you may reconsider. I've been in one >and it is *really* scarey. My life is something I value more >than a car's looks or handeling. Consider it insurance, it may not >happen often but when it does, you'll sure be glad you got a safe car. >Granted the tests aren't perfect but I'd much rather be in a car that >did well in the test than a car that did horribly. You raise a valid point, but again it's a tradeoff -- how much money do you want to spend for that kind of protection? You could buy a Volvo, Saab, or 'Benz and get really good crash protection (and other luxuries) but you'll pay significantly more for it. In my case it's out of the question because *all* of those cars are beyond my budget. Even in high-speed head-on collisions the most beneficial item you can have is a good old 3-point seatbelt. Nowadays, at least in the US, you get an airbag if you get a 3-point belt so (presumably) you get an added safety benefit there as well. That's something I certainly look for and which can be had in inexpensive cars. My $.02, of course. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 5302,5,"From: wcl@risc.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long) Subject: PROBLEM: Running AIX info from a Sun rlogin shell. Organization: Motorola (Austin,TX) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ome.sps.mot.com When I run our RS6000's ""info"" utility through a remote login shell (rlogin) from my Sun Sparc 1+, I can no longer type lower case in any of info's window prompt's. I thought the prob. may have been due to my Sun window mgr. (Openlook) being incompatible with the AIX Motif application but I tried it under TVTWM also. Same result. So this is presumably an X11 key definition problem between workstations - but my system admins. feign ignorance. What do I need to do the be able to type lower case into this remote AIX motif app. from within my local Openlook window manager? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Long - OE215 Internet: wcl@risc.sps.mot.com 6501 William Cannon Drive West UUCP: cs.texas.edu!oakhill!risc!wcl Austin, Texas 78735-8598 Phone (512) 891-4649 FAX: 891-3818 " 5303,6,"From: der@anomaly.sbs.com (Admiral David E. Ryan) Subject: 144mhz/440mhz amps, 2mtr HT for sale Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917 Lines: 18 I have the following equipment for sale: 1. Kenwood TH-28A 2mtr HT $250.00 2. RF Concepts 2mtr Amp (45in->170out) $275.00 3. Hamtronics Class C Continuous Duty 440mhz 10watt-in ~40watt-out amp $250.00 All prices include shipping/insurance. For additional information, contact me at the address below. Dave -- | Admiral David E. Ryan | | der@anomaly.sbs.com | | ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!der | " 5304,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: 1993 Infiniti G20 Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 14 >In article <78834@cup.portal.com> carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com writes: >>2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully >> loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match >> up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993 >> version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's. is this really the dealer's cost? did you get the dealer's cost by looking at the invoice? there may be factory to dealer incentives. i'd check this out, since i have trouble believing that a dealer would sell a car to me at his cost. dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost. -teddy " 5305,16,"From: j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: University of New Brunswick Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr21.040839.20574@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: >>That the gas was ""not harmful"", as the sensitive, caring Janet Reno described >>it? > >Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations, >is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the >FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather >hypocritical. > Not to mention that the G-men believed the children didn't have gas masks. But that was not, with respect to the children, the point of the gassing. The feds *knew* that the children's health would be in danger and proceeded under the assumption that the ""motherly instinct"" of the Davidian women would remove them from harm's way. I busted a gut on that one. Someone else on the net observed that the administration's appeal to a woman's ""motherly instinct"" would never wash with feminists and liberals if a republican were in the White House. I say that such an justification could *only* come from a feminist mindset. BTW - I'd read in the paper yesterday that the type of gas used was CS2. The paper didn't provide any specifics about it. ""Guess I'm still writing..."" Malcolm Fuller, Surveying Engineering, University of New Brunswick malcolm@atlantic.cs.unb.ca or j979@jupiter.csd.unb.ca }>:-/> ---> _____________ Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem ____________ " 5306,11,"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) Subject: Cryptology in the world Keywords: cryptology international restrictions Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 10 What is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the world? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their policies on citizens encrypting electronic data? I'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance. -- <><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> < Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > < -- Leo Tolstoy > <><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><> " 5307,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 24 In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: >How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known >what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored >it)? > So now we're judging the Qur'an by what's not in it? How many mutton headed arguments am I going to have to wade through today? >Lots of other books have been written on this subject. Those >books can speak far more eloquently than I. One would hope. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 5308,6,"From: gregh@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Greg Holdren) Subject: 40 Meg IDE Harddrive Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Western Digital 3.5"" IDE 40 Meg Hard drive. $95 or BO. + shipping Greg Holdren (916)785-7481 gregh@hprnd.rose.hp.com geh@mothra.rose.hp.com " 5309,11,"From: ray@ole.cdac.com (Ray Berry) Subject: Clipper- business as usual? Article-I.D.: ole.1993Apr20.173039.4722 Organization: Cascade Design Automation Lines: 17 Notwithstanding all the legitimate fuss about this proposal, how much of a change is it? ATT's last product in this area (a) was priced over $1000, as I suspect 'clipper' phones will be; (b) came to the customer with the key automatically preregistered with government authorities. Thus, aside from attempting to further legitimize and solidify the fed's posture, Clipper seems to be ""more of the same"", rather than a new direction. Yes, technology will eventually drive the cost down and thereby promote more widespread use- but at present, the man on the street is not going to purchase a $1000 crypto telephone, especially when the guy on the other end probably doesn't have one anyway. Am I missing something? The real question is what the gov will do in a year or two when air- tight voice privacy on a phone line is as close as your nearest pc. That has got to a problematic scenario for them, even if the extent of usage never surpasses the 'underground' stature of PGP. -- Ray Berry kb7ht ray@ole.cdac.com rjberry@eskimo.com 73407.3152@compuserve.com " 5310,3,"From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) Subject: Date is stuck Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA Lines: 15 Anybody seen the date get stuck? I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine is left running all the time. Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves exiting the menu system to get to DOS. Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken? -- Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com ) voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA 93035 Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say. " 5311,9,"From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan) Subject: Re: Quick easy question! Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology Lines: 16 rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > Here's an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball... > What city do the California Angels play out of? Anaheim. >-- >Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" >rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional >WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" >----------------- >""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai " 5312,12,"From: Mike Diack Subject: 16 bit serial converters X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 06:56:45 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-34.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 2 Someone was looking for these a few weeks ago - check out comp.dsp Mike. " 5313,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: quality control in medicine Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 20 In article <93108.003258U19250@uicvm.uic.edu> U19250@uicvm.uic.edu writes: :Does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total : quality management, quality control, quality assurance in the delivery of : health care service. I would appreciate any information. If there is enough :interest, I will post the responses. This is in fact a hot topic in medicine these days, and much of the medical literature is devoted to this. The most heavily funded studies these days are for outcome research, and physicians (and others!) are constantly questionning whether what we do it truly effective in any given situation. QA activities are a routine part of every hospital's administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies. There are even entire publications devoted to QA issues. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 5314,16,"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 18 In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much > earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children? > > Why didn't they release the children weeks ago? Because most of the children were with their parent(s). Do you understand that concept? Here's a bunch of people who believe in their minds that the forces of Satanic evil are outside and you expect them to hand over their own children? Were you born that stupid or does it take a lot of effort? -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** " 5315,2,"From: cmenzel@kbssun1.tamu.edu (Chris Menzel) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: kbssun1.tamu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeff Meyers (jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: : In article <1qkqrhINNobc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: : . : . : >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here : >using [Procomm Plus for Windows], but the screen seems to have a problem : >keeping up with the : >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. : Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud : modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get : about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the : modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over : 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield : acceptable speed... I'm using PC Plus at home on my trusty old NEC 386 SX/20 with a 14,400 baud modem with no problems at all. I am, however, running only straight 16 color VGA. -- Christopher Menzel Internet -> cmenzel@tamu.edu Philosophy, Texas A&M University Phone ----> (409) 845-8764 College Station, TX 77843-4237 Fax ------> (409) 845-045 " 5316,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations) Organization: sgi Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr5.171143.828@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: |> In article <2942949719.2.p00261@psilink.com>, ""Robert Knowles"" writes: |> >>DATE: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:02:22 -0500 |> >>FROM: Nanci Ann Miller |> >> |> >> |> >>> > 3. Can god uncreate itself? |> >>> |> >>> No. For if He did, He would violate His own nature which He cannot do. |> >>> It is God's nature to Exist. He is, after all, the ""I AM"" which is |> >>> a statement of His inherent Existence. He is existence itself. |> >>> Existence cannot ""not-exist"". |> >> |> >>Then, as mentioned above, he must not be very omnipotent. |> >> |> |> What do you mean by omnipotent here? Do you mean by ""omnipotent"" |> that God should be able to do anything/everything? This creates |> a self-contradictory definition of omnipotence which is effectively |> useless. |> |> To be descriptive, omnipotence must mean ""being all-powerful"" and |> not ""being able to do anything/everything"". |> |> Let me illustrate by analogy. |> Suppose the United States were the only nuclear power on earth. Suppose |> further that the US military could not effectively be countered by any |> nation or group of nations. The US has the power to go into any country |> at any time for any reason to straighten things out as the leaders of the |> US see fit. The US would be militarily ""omnipotent"". Did you check with the Afghans before posting this? They might disagree. jon. " 5317,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:01:03 GMT Lines: 166 Archive-Name: rec-autos/part2 Automotive Mailing Lists (Electronic Mail, that is): [last updated 3/17/93; new lotus, exotic cars list subscription info; added Portland, OR motorsports list, Corvair list, Triumph TR8 list -- rpw] There are a number of electronic mailing lists on the network devoted to various special automotive topics. To the best of my knowledge, all the lists appearing here have open membership policies. It is my policy not to list `closed' mailing lists here. Most mailing lists provide separate addresses for administrative queries and for general mail; where separate administrative addresses exist, I have listed those below, as the general addresses are not appropriate for inquirys and requests. Audi (send requests to quattro-request@aries.east.sun.com) Autocross/Solo (send requests to autox-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu) BMW (send requests to bmw-request@balltown.cma.com both regular and digest forms available) British Cars (send requests to british-cars-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu) Buick Grand National/Regal/GNX (send requests to gnttype-request@srvsn2.monsanto.com) Camaro/Firebird (GM F-body) (send requests to f-body-request@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM) Corvair (send requests to bryan@pegasus.mitre.org) Corvettes there are two lists; the first is more of a competition oriented list, and the second is more general in nature (or so i am told) Competition: (send requests to vettes-request@cimage.com) General: (send requests to vettes-request@compaq.com) Datsun/Fairlady Roadsters (send requests to datsun-roadsters-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu) Dodge Stealth/Mitsubishi 3000GT (send requests to stealth-req%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu) Eclipse/Talon/Laser (send requests to diginst!talon-request@radius.com) Electric Vehicles (send requests to info-ev-request@ymir.claremont.edu) Exotic-Cars (send requests to exotic-cars-request@sol.asl.hitachi.com) Fabrication (race cars) (send requests to racefab-request@pms706.pms.ford.com) International Harvester (discussion of Scouts, pickups, etc.) (send requests to ihc-request@balltown.cma.com) Italian Cars (send requests to italian-cars-request@balltown.cma.com; both regular and digest forms available) Hondas listserv@brownvm.brown.edu; use standard listserv subscription procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be ""sub HONDA-L your-real-name"" with no subject line in the header Hot rods (send requests to hotrod-request@dixie.com) Land Rovers (send requests to land-rover-owner-request@stratus.com) Lotus (send requests to lotus-cars-request@netcom.com) Mazdas (send requests to mazda-list-request@ms.uky.edu) Miata listserv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu; use standard listserv subscription procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be ""sub miata your-real-name"" with no subject line in the header Merkurs (send requests to merkur-request@pcad.UUCP) Mopar (mostly high performance Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth products. send requests to mopar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) MR2 (send requests to mr2-interest-request@validgh.com) Mustangs There are two lists, the first is for Mustangs through 1973, the second for Mustangs from 1980 on. nobody cares about the Mustang II, so don't ask. classic: (send requests to classic-mustangs-request@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com) modern: (send requests to mustangs-request@cup.hp.com) Offroad & 4X4 (send requests to offroad-request@ai.gtri.gatech.edu) Porsches (send requests to porschephiles-request@tta.com) Portland, Oregon Motorsports Activities (send requests to pdxracer-request@reed.edu) Rally (send requests to rally-request@stratus.com) RX7 (send requests to jjn@cblpf.ATT.COM) Saabs (send requests to saab@network.mhs.compuserve.com) Saturn (send requests to saturn-request@oar.net) School (high performance driving schools) (send requests to school-request@balltown.cma.com) Sentra SE-R, G20, N2000 (send requests to se-r-request@pencom.com) Supras (send requests to supras-request@vicor.com) Toyota (send requests to toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us) Triumph TR7/V8, TR8 (send requests to jtc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) Volvos (requests to swedishbricks-request@me.rochester.edu) Wheel-to-Wheel Racing (forum for race drivers, workers, crew, and wannabes; send requests to wheeltowheel-request@abingdon.sun.com) Z-Cars (Nissan/Datsun) (send requests to z-car-request@dixie.com) -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 5318,7,"From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: The Portal System (TM) <93Apr15.165432.44598@acs.ucalgary.ca> <1993Apr15.223029.23340@cactus.org> Lines: 25 > >No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They >aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail >lights. > > >Craig Perhaps instead of this silly argument about what backup lights are for, couldn't we agree that they serve the dual purpose of letting people behind your car know that you have it in reverse and that they can also light up the area behind your car while you're backing up so you can see? Backup lamps on current models are much brighter than they used to be on older cars. Those on my Taurus Wagon are quite bright enough to illuminate a good area behind the car, and they're MUCH brighter than those on my earlier cars from the 60s and 70s. Insofar as Vettes having side backup lights, look at a '92 or '93 model (or perhaps a year or two earlier too) and you'll see red side marker lamps and white side marker lamps both near the car's hindquarters. Those aren't just white reflectors. Harv " 5319,12,"From: alan@apple.com (Alan Mimms) Subject: Re: UART needed (really BREAK detect) Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 26 In article , jam@ameslab.gov (Jerry Musselman) wrote: > > I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following: > -250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity > -ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin) > -IRQ on character received > > I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do > break detect. I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc... > > Any help would be appriciated!!! Actually detecting a BREAK is done by watching for a ""character"" containing all zero bits with the framing error resulting from its receipt. This means that the line stayed in the zero bit state even past the stop bit time slot, which basically indicates a BREAK. There is no special way to detect BREAK that I have found other than this -- there's no magic signal generated by UARTs, etc. Alan Mimms (alan@apple.com, ...!apple!alan) | My opinions are generally Portable Macintosh Software Group | pretty worthless, but Apple Computer | they *are* my own... Art without engineering is dreaming. Engineering without art is calculating. -- Steven K. Roberts in ""Computing Across America"" " 5320,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr20.120311.1@pa881a.inland.com> schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer) writes: >What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the ""face"" and heard >associated theories. (which sound thin to me) The ""face"" is an accident of light and shadow. There are many ""faces"" in landforms on Earth; none is artificial (well, excluding Mount Rushmore and the like...). There is also a smiley face on Mars, and a Kermit The Frog. The question of life in a more mundane sense -- bacteria or the like -- is not quite closed, although the odds are against it, and the most that the more orthodox exobiologists are hoping for now is fossils. There are currently no particular plans to do any further searches for life. >Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? Mars Observer, currently approaching Mars, will probably try to get a better image or two of the ""face"" at some point. It's not high priority; nobody takes it very seriously. The shadowed half of the face does not look very face-like, so all it will take is one shot at a different sun angle to ruin the illusion. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5321,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether >>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden >>>by the US Constitution. >>Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by ""cruel"", which is why >>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer >>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the >>word ""cruel"". > >They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They >picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked >in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient? We only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers consider cruel and unusual punishment? Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine. Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those days ], etc. All would be considered cruel under your definition. All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers. --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. " 5322,14,"From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace) Subject: Level 5 Reply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: sor.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept. Lines: 15 According to a Software engineering professor here, what was actually rated level five was an ibm unit which produced part of the software for the shuttle, by not means all of it. Interesting note: 90% of the software development groups surveyed were at level 1. The ibm shuttle groups was the *only* one at level 5! --- C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ C/ Nathan F. Wallace C/C/ ""Reality Is"" C/ C/ e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu C/C/ ancient Alphaean proverb C/ C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ " 5323,12,"From: jack@multimedia.cc.gatech.edu (Tom Rodriguez) Subject: composite video - what are HD and VD? Article-I.D.: multimed.JACK.93Apr6032642 Organization: Multimedia Computing Group Lines: 19 I've got an rgb Mistubishi monitor and on the back it has 5 BNC connectors labeled like this: composite HD VD + + + + + sync red green blue I've used it as a straight RGB monsitor but i can't figure out how to use it for composite. Could someone explain what these markings mean? Thanks for any help. tom -- Tom Rodriguez (jack@cc.gatech.edu) Multimedia Computing Group - GVU Lab Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 " 5324,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 18 >DATE: 19 Apr 93 23:23:26 GMT >FROM: Bake Timmons > >My my, there _are_ a few atheists with time on their hands. :) > >OK, first I apologize. I didn't bother reading the FAQ first and so fired an >imprecise flame. That was inexcusable. > How about the nickname Bake ""Flamethrower"" Timmons? You weren't at the Koresh compound around noon today by any chance, were you? Remember, Koresh ""dried"" for your sins. And pass that beef jerky. Umm Umm. " 5325,7,"From: tomm@hank.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: BoGART Graphics Development Lines: 33 In article neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes: >[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] > >> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves >> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is >> imminent. >> >> Steve Heracleous > >You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you >go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good >job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from >me - those kids are mean. That is absolutely correct. They have a streak of meanness that runs much deeper and stronger than anything I ever experienced even during the height of the 60's racial struggles. I am absolutely convinced that there are kids out there today that have no concept of right and wrong, but have the human intelligence which is turning them into the greatest predators that have ever walked the earth. They will prevail unless the rest of humanity decides that it is in their best interest to stand up against these feral humans, and for individuals to start taking some responsibility for their own protection. In a state in which the individuals turn to the authorities and police for protection, the police and government is soon composed of the very feral humans that they originally sought protection from. Gee, I guess you touched my hot button. I'd better go cool off somewhere. -- Tom Mackey (206) 865-6575 tomm@voodoo.ca.boeing.com Boeing Computer Services ....uunet!bcstec!voodoo!tomm M/S 7K-20, P.O. Box 24346, Seattle, WA 98124-0346 " 5326,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Panther's President Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 20 In article <0P6a3B1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki) writes: > >A little Bio from _Sun-Sentinel_ >Torrey, the architect of four consecutive Stanley Cup champions as >persident and general manager of the New York Islanders. >Throughout his 27 years in the NHL, Bill Torrey's bow ties have become >as much of a signature as Andre Agassi's hair. > >The Panthers will introduce a uniform, insignia, and ticket-price >information in early next month. In the meantime, Huizenga leaves the >day-to-day operation in the hands of Torrey and Bob Clarke, the VP and >GM. > The San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators are each on their second GM already...I'd be willing to wager that both the Sharks and Senators will probably see their 3rd GM's and perhaps their 4th, before we see the Panthers second. Gerald " 5327,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: The state of justice Organization: ACME Products Lines: 23 Summary: GM's quest for justice A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not from the fire. Thoughts? It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led to the previous ruling appear. Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? Shouldn't that be up to a jury? And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 5328,17,From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Serdar Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu What an anal retentive you are wimp. ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** 5329,10,"From: yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie) Subject: Hot, Cold Streaks ??? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 14 Ok guys, I need a list of the teams who have been hot or cold during the last 25 games. Doesn't need to be accurate, a rough guess will do. I'm about to enter a playoff pool and I want to know who is hot going into the playoffs. Don't need to mention Pittsburgh. They can't get any hotter than they are now. P.S. I need this by Sunday Yvon Lavoie " 5330,5,"From: seth@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Seth Buffington) Subject: Re: GUI Study Organization: University of North Texas, Denton Distribution: na Lines: 35 >Cutsie little Macintrash-like icons that are an instant recipe for >mousitis IMHO. System 7 is undoubtedly the worst GUI I have used (out of >that, RISCOS, MSWombles, and X11) simply because it does not provide enough >keyboard shortcuts. Windows I must confess I quite like (cover your ears >:-) ) because you can actually use it without having to ever touch the >mouse. [stuff delete] >the user rather than making things _easier_ - and there should always be >the option to do it your way if you want to, which is why I like the >UNIX/X combination so much - it's so customizable. Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at the moment.) I don't think it is too much to ask that window programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in less time IF you are experienced. All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than DOS). -- \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ \ Seth Buffington U.S.S. GAB 550 I 817-565-2642 / \ seth@cs.unt.edu seth@gab.unt.edu Unix Operator / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 5331,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: writes: >>>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist? >>Unless you force someone to live with the rapist against his will, in which >>case part of the responsibility is yours. >I'm sorry, but I can't accept that. Unless the rapist was hypnotized or >something, I view him as solely responsible for his actions. Not necessarily, especially if the rapist is known as such. For instance, if you intentionally stick your finger into a loaded mousetrap and get snapped, whose fault is it? keith " 5332,0,"From: Patrick C Leger Subject: It's all Mary's fault! Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu You know, it just occurred to me today that this whole Christian thing can be blamed solely on Mary. So, she's married to Joseph. She gets knocked up. What do you think ol' Joe will do if he finds she's been getting around? So Mary comes up with this ridiculous story about God making her pregnant. Actually, it can't be all THAT ridiculous, considering the number of people that believe it. Anyway, she never tells anyone the truth, and even tells poor little Jesus that he's hot shit, the Son of God. Everyone else tells him this too, since they've bought Mary's story. So, what does Mary actually turn out to be? An adultress and a liar, and the cause of mankind's greatest folly... Just my recently-minted two cents. Chris ---------------------- Chris Leger Sophomore, Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering Remember...if you don't like what somebody is saying, you can always ignore them! " 5333,5,"From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit) Subject: Problems with Open Windows Organization: Dept. of Statistics Lines: 22 After having OpenWindows (Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days, the following message appears when trying to open a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows. XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package) I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem. Yali Amit Department of Statistics University of Chicago Chicago IL 60615 " 5334,13,"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Menangitis question Article-I.D.: pitt.19427 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 42 In article brooksby@brigham.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Glen W Brooksby) writes: >This past weekend a friend of mine lost his 13 month old >daughter in a matter of hours to a form of menangitis. The >person informing me called it 'Nicereal Meningicocis' (sp?). >In retrospect, the disease struck her probably sometime on >Friday evening and she passed away about 2:30pm on Saturday. >The symptoms seemed to be a rash that started small and >then began progressing rapidly. She began turning blue >eventually which was the tip-off that this was serious >but by that time it was too late (this is all second hand info.). > >My question is: >Is this an unusual form of Menangitis? How is it transmitted? >How does it work (ie. how does it kill so quickly)? There are many organisms, viral, bacterial, and fungal, which can cause meningitits, and the course of these infections varies widely. The causes of bacterial meningitis vary with age: in adults pneumococcus (the same organism which causes pneumococcal pneumonia) is the most common cause, while in children Hemophilus influenzae is the most common cause. What you are describing is meningitis from Neisseria meningitidis, which is the second most common cause of bacterial meningitis in both groups, but with lower incidence in infants. This organism is also called the ""meningococcus"", and is the source of the common epidemics of meningitis that occur and are popularized in the press. Without prompt treatment (and even WITH it in some cases), the organism typically causes death within a day. This organism, feared as it is, is actually grown from the throats of many normal adults. It can get to the meninges by different ways, but blood borne spread is probably the usual case. Rifampin (an oral antibiotic) is often given to family and contacts of a case of meningococcal meningitis, by the way. Sorry, but I don't have time for a more detailed reply. Meningitis is a huge topic, and sci.med can't do it justice. -km " 5335,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: Wings will win Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 25 In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >I have ever seen in hockey How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level. In the history of hockey there have been several better GM's than Murray- way too many to name. Murray isn't even the best GM in the league today. He fails in comparison to Sinden, Sather, Savard, Caron, Fletcher and Quinn in my estimation. I can't imagine how Bryan Murray can be the best GM anyone has ever seen in hockey- unless they have seen VERY few GM's. Gregmeister " 5336,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 16 In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: >get their copy of your key. Any criminal who's going to use >encryption will do it under cover of Clipper. The only way to avoid >this will be to try to prohibit strong encryption. This isn't true. Today's criminals regularly use all sorts of unsafe methods, from cordless phones to cellular phones to plain old copper wire analog phones that you can put alligator clips on to plan and execute their crimes. It is amazing how stupid they are, which is why the FBI was so keen on the digital telphony law, and its successor the clipper chip. They're hoping here that most crooks will remain stupid, feel safe using clipper chip phones and get caught. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 5337,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Mysterious MOSFET Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number 285-4 which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot. --scott " 5338,7,"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) writes... # #As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others #were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5 #north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our #windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the #overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and #left. #A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was #in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was #a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old #that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do? #I don't think I'll over forget this story. #Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA. #.. # Neil, what did they do to the 14-year-old who they caught? What did the man's insurance company do? This could be significant and in any case very interesting. Followups to alt.parents-teens. Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. " 5339,0,"From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr14.131032.15644@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > > It is my understanding that it is generally agreed upon by the ulema > [Islamic scholars] that Islamic law applies only in an Islamic country, > of which the UK is not. Furthermore, to take the law into one's own > hands is a criminal act, as these are matters for the state, not for > individuals. Nevertheless, Khomeini offered a cash prize for people to > take the law into their own hands -- something which, to my > understanding, is against Islamic law. Yes, this is also my understanding of the majority of Islamic laws. However, I believe there are also certain legal rulings which, in all five schools of law (4 sunni and 1 jaffari), can be levelled against muslim or non-muslims, both within and outside dar-al-islam. I do not know if apostasy (when accompanied by active, persistent, and open hostility to Islam) falls into this category of the law. I do know that historically, apostasy has very rarely been punished at all, let alone by the death penalty. My understanding is that Khomeini's ruling was not based on the law of apostasy (alone). It was well known that Rushdie was an apostate long before he wrote the offending novel and certainly there is no precedent in the Qur'an, hadith, or in Islamic history for indiscriminantly levelling death penalties for apostasy. I believe the charge levelled against Rushdie was that of ""fasad"". This ruling applies both within and outside the domain of an Islamic state and it can be carried out by individuals. The reward was not offered by Khomeini but by individuals within Iran. > Stuff deleted > Also, I think you are muddying the issue as you seem to assume that > Khomeini's fatwa was issued due to the _distribution_ of the book. My > understanding is that Khomeini's fatwa was issued in response to the > _writing_ and _publishing_ of the book. If my view is correct, then > your viewpoint that Rushdie was sentenced for a ""crime in progress"" is > incorrect. > I would concur that the thrust of the fatwa (from what I remember) was levelled at the author and all those who assisted in the publication of the book. However, the charge of ""fasad"" can encompass a number of lesser charges. I remember that when diplomatic relations broke off between Britain and Iran over the fatwa - Iran stressed that the condemnation of the author, and the removal of the book from circulation were two preliminary conditions for resolving the ""crisis"". But you are correct to point out that banning the book was not the main thrust behind the fatwa. Islamic charges such as fasad are levelled at people, not books. The Rushdie situation was followed in Iran for several months before the issuance of the fatwa. Rushdie went on a media blitz, presenting himself as a lone knight guarding the sacred values of secular democracy and mocking the foolish concerns of people crazy enough to actually hold their religious beliefs as sacred. Fanning the flames and milking the controversy to boost his image and push the book, he was everywhere in the media. Then Muslim demonstrators in several countries were killed while protesting against the book. Rushdie appeared momentarily concerned, then climbed back on his media horse to once again attack the Muslims and defend his sacred rights. It was at this point that the fatwa on ""fasad"" was issued. The fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of Rushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of the ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant will of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa against the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The crime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being played out (and played up) in the the full view of the media. P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of ""shatim"" also applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella of the ""fasad"" ruling. " 5340,13,"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 28 E.J. Draper writes: >If it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the >process. Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of >interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that >other physicians aren't aware of. Maybe, maybe not. A new graduate would obviously be well trained (but perhaps without sufficient experience). A radiologist trained 10 or 15 years ago who has not kept his continuing education current is a whole 'nuther matter. A OB who HAS trained in modern radiology technology is certainly more qualified than the latter and at least equal to the former. >Would you want a radiologist to >deliver your baby? If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB/GYN to >read your ultrasound study? If the radiologist is also trained in OB/GYN, why not? John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? " 5341,4,"From: nsomerse@uglx.UVic.CA (Neil Somerset) Subject: Re: ADB woes Nntp-Posting-Host: uglx.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr3.010808.3589@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee) writes: > >Greetings, oh, wise netters.. (Oops.. That's the oracle..Sorry..) > >Anyhow, I have a basic question that I cannot answer.. Just *where* in the >heck can I buy a ADB cable?? Mine on my trackball is shot.. and I haven't >been able to find a replacement anywhere.. Unless I'm looking in the >wrong mail order catalogs.... > >Anyone have any ideas? (Places/prices/just make it myself?) > > >-Mark > >mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil You should be able to pick up an ADB cable at any computer wiring store... I'd give you the address of Alberta Computer cable in Calgary, but a: I'm in Victoria (B.C., Canada) and b: I don't think an address in Calgary would help you too much....basically however I just phoned them up, and they charged me approx. $15 cnd for a custom made ADB extension cable for my mouse. Hope this helps... Dave Maclachlan dmaclach@ra.uvic.ca NightFall Software Inc. " 5342,9,"From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay) Subject: Bill James Player Rating Book 1993. Organization: Harold Brooks Duck L'Orange Club, Ltd. Lines: 26 (Dave 'This has never happened to me before' Kirsch) writes: > Correction: ""Nied was the only player identified in this book as a grade A >prospect who was exposed to the draft.."", according to Bill James in the >'Stop the Presses' section preceding his player evaluations. He valued Nied >at $21, and said that Nied's value does not increase significantly as a >result of his selection (although he did catch a break getting away from the >strongest rotation in baseball). I thought Bill James' latest book completely and totally sucked. I bought it, but will not purchase anything of his ever again without THOROUGHLY looking at it first. What tripe. The book is inconsistent, and filled with selective analysis. James claims to be looking forward, and then makes some absolutely bizarre statements of value. Not only that, but I got the impression he probably glanced at the book for about an hour before he put his name on it. To say I was disappointed is a grand understatement. -- * Gary Huckabay * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90's! * * ""A living argument for * If there's anything we love more than a huge * * existence of parallel * .sig, it's someone quoting 100 lines to add * * universes."" * 3 or 4 new ones. And consecutive posts, too. * " 5343,2,"From: hzhang@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Hao Zhang) Subject: Re: X-emulator Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu A posting in another news group I read a while ago said that PC-Xview and PC-Xremote allow you to use Xterm. Call NCD @ 503-641-2200 for more info. Hope it helps, -Hao -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hao Zhang, Dept. of Stat., Wharton School, Univ. of Penn. zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu hzhang@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5344,7,"From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas) Subject: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together! Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu Alright, beat this automobile sighting. Driving along just a hair north of Atlanta, I noticed an old, run down former car dealership which appeared to deal with, and repair, older rare or exotic foreign sports cars. I saw: Ford GT-40 (!), the famous model from Ford, that seemed to win most of its races in the late 60s, including Le-Mans 4 or 6 times. Two Jensen Interceptors, one a convertable, one a hatchback? Porsche 911 (boring compared to the rest) THREE Ferarries, a Mondial, a 308 prepared for racing, and a red 60s model that I couldn't identify. And at the bottom, a late 70s MG convertable. Outside there was a rotting Rover 3500 saloon, which was never regularly sold in the U.S. And in the showroom, there was a small italian body, either an Alpha Romeo or a Lancia. It was about the size of an Austin Mini. The trunklid was missing, exposing a boot with a voltage regulator in the upper left corner of the wall, and a chunk of metal removed from the floor on the right hand side as if something would leave the trunk and go to the outside from here. The taillights looked like they would be the round type (if they were there). Does anyone know what the make of this one is? Certainly made my day... -- Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah " 5345,7,"From: garyl@moe.corollary.COM (Gary Lorman) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Corollary, Inc. Lines: 42 In article <9833@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) writes: >In article CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) writes: > >..... > >>However, if I were to design a BMW's electronics, I will use a counter to >>count the number of times the car passed 1 million miles (or whatever), and >>store it in the car computer's memory. This could be read when doing a >>diagnostics test. Ditto for the date of the odometer. As easy as this is, I >>don't know why manafucturers don't do it (don't they?) to prevent illegal >>odometer tampering. >> >>But as a previous writer said, it will in any case take aeons to reset an >>odometer, mechanic or electronic by simulating a driving car. It will be >>easier to reprogram it. How, I don't know. > >It shouldn't be THAT hard if you know much about digital electronics. If the >counter is made with standard TTL chips, all you should need to do is find >the chip(s) used for counting, figure out what mileage you want to put in, >and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low/high (you'd also have >to know what the conventions are for low and high). It might be a little more >involved than this, but it shouldn't be beyond someone with a BSEE or BS EET. >All the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using >a ""translation table"" stored in ROM. > >selah, > >Dan > But, those chips are probably inside a custom chip, (to make it smaller and use less power) and the preset/data pins are not going to be available. It would probably not be TTL but might be CMOS (wider operating voltage range), not that the tecnology would make much difference. Plus the custom chip would probably be potted (encapsulated with epoxy). Good luck. -- --garyl------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Any shark that gets to be 11 or 12 feet long with 300 big teeth can be considered dangerous"" - 'Shark Bowl '92' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5346,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes: >In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: >|In article jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes: >|> What does ""DWI"" stand for ? I thought it was ""DUI"" for Driving Under >|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ? >| >|Driving While Intoxicated. > Actually, I beleive ""DWI"" normally means ""Driving While Impaired"" rather >than ""Intoxicated"", at least it does in the states I've lived in... >|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her >|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor! > One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs, >not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc... I'm >surprised this got her off the hook... Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined >to liquor? Lets just say it is DUI here now! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * " 5347,13,"From: bbenowit@telesciences.com (Barry D Benowitz) Subject: Re: eye dominance In-Reply-To: rsilver@world.std.com's message of Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:02:31 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: kyanite Organization: Telesciences CO Systems, Inc. Lines: 24 In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an > overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most > people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the > other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? > Thanks. Yes, there is such a thing as eye dominance, although I am not sure if this dominance refers to perscription strength. As i recall, if you selectively close your dominant eye, you will percieve that the image shifts. This will not happen if you close your other eye. I believe that which eye is dominant is related to handedness, but I can't recall the relation at the moment. -- Barry D. Benowitz EMail: bbenowit@telesciences.com (...!pyrnj!telesci!bbenowit) Phone: +1 609 866 1000 x354 Snail: Telesciences CO Systems, 351 New Albany Rd, Moorestown, NJ, 08057-1177 " 5348,15,"From: kbanner@philae.sas.upenn.edu (Ken Banner) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 51 In article koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes: >.....................................................There is dis- >crepancy even among charismatic organizations as to the proper use >of tongues. Be it revelatory with interpretation, for prayer use, >or for signifying believers (which I doubt since any one can do it). >Pentecostals (Assembly of God, Church of Christ), seem to espouse all >three. Neo-pentecostals tend to view prayer use and as a sign as the >uses. Speaking in tongues during a service is not usually done by >neo-pentecostals because for the most part, they still attend Protestant >churches. Non-denominational churches seem to view the use as a sign >as merely optional, but recommended. Koberg, Just a couple of minor corrections here... 1) The Churches of Christ do not usually believe in speaking in tongues, in fact many of them are known for being strongly opposed to Pentecostal teaching. You are probably thinking of Church of God in Christ, the largest African-American Pentecostal denomination. 2) I'm not sure what you mean by ""signifying believers"" but it should be pointed out that the Assemblies of God does not now, nor has it ever, held that speaking in tongues is the sign that one is a Christian. The doctrine that traditional Pentecostals (including the A/G) maintain is that speaking in tongues is the sign of a second experience after becoming a Christian in which one is ""Baptized in the Holy Spirit"" That may be what you were referring to, but I point this out because Pentecostals are frequently labeled as believing that you have to speak in tongues in order to be a Christian. Such a position is only held by some groups and not the majority of Pentecostals. Many Pentecostals will quote the passage in Mark 16 about ""these signs following them that believe"" but they generally do not interpret this as meaning if you don't pactice the signs you aren't ""saved"". 3) I know it's hard to summarize the beliefs of a movement that has such diversity, but I think you've made some pretty big generalizations here. Do ""Neo-Pentecostals"" only believe in tongues as a sign and tongues as prayer but NOT tongues as revelatory with a message? I've never heard of that before. In fact I would have characterized them as believing the same as Pentecostals except less likely to see tongues as a sign of Spirit Baptism. Also, while neo-Pentecostals may not be inclined to speak in tongues in the non-Pentecostal churches they attend, they do have their own meetings and, in many cases, a whole church will be charismatic. Ken Banner Dept. of Religious Studies University of Pennsylvania kbanner@philae.sas.upenn.edu " 5349,12,"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Organization: your service Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com I've seen several references to split- or separate-beam radars, which I claimed didn't exist. Gotta eat some crow here - I wasn't aware of them. All I really knew was that it can be done with one beam. I believe the rest of what I said is accurate, though. Mmmmmmm....crow.... (oops-wrong group) " 5350,7,"From: dye@lachman.com (Ken R. Dye ) Subject: Re: Feedback requested on lowering '66 Mustang Nntp-Posting-Host: london.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Inc., Naperville, IL Lines: 28 In article jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: >I have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early >mustang. Installation envolves moving the upper A-arm and installation >of a wedge shaped spacer between the A-arm and ball joint. Apparently, >Shelby Mustangs did a similair modification, but left out the spacer. > >I would be interested in feedback, pro or con, on such a modification. I'm no mustang head, but don't the early ones have a simple strut suspension (that is, with no upper A-arm)? Just a strut going down to a lower control arm (single bushing: not an A-arm), with a tension/compression rod locating it in the forward/backward direction? Anyway, simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using shorter springs, cutting the springs, lowering the spring perch or shortening the strut below the perch. In each of these cases, the suspension geometry will suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the intended angle. A spacer placed between control arm and the bottom of the strut (roughly the height of the reduction) will restore the suspension geometry. IMHO, the kit that includes the spacer is the only way to go... --Ken -- Ken R. Dye an optimist is a guy | Lachman Technology, Inc., Chicago that has never had | (708) 505-9555 x341 much experience | dye@lachman.com archy | " 5351,15,"From: jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Lines: 169 In article kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: = Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: = = : [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] = = : One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate = : (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No = : reasonable alternative exists. = = I would argue that causality is actually a property of spacetime; = causes precede their effects. And I must concede here. Cause *before* effect, implies time, time is part of spacetime. Hense, the argument would be valid. I could return and say that this does not infer the cause and effect relationship being *unique* to *this* spacetime, but I won't 8^), because the point is moot. Doesn't address why (which Petri Pikho addresses below). I also concede that I was doubly remiss, as I asserted ""No reasonable alternative exists"", an entirely subjective statement on my part (and one that could be invalidated, given time and further discovery by the scientist). I also understand that a proving a theory does not necessarily specify that ""this is how it happened"", but proposes a likely description of the phenomena in question. Am I mistaken with this understanding? = But if you claim that there must be = an answer to ""how"" did the universe (our spacetime) emerge from = ""nothing"", science has some good candidates for an answer. All of which require something we Christians readily admit to: ``Faith''. The fact that there are several candidates belies that *none* are conclusive. With out conclusive evidence, we are left with faith. It could even be argued that one of these hypotheses may one day be proven (as best as a non-repeatable event can be ""proven""). But I ask, what holds someone *today* to the belief that any or all of them are correct, except by faith? [ a couple of paragraphs deleted. Summary: we ask ""Why does the universe exist"" ] = I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely = = 1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists? = = and = = 2) How did the universe emerge from nothing? = = It is clear science has nothing to say about the first question. However, = is it a meaningful question, after all? = = I would say it isn't. Consider the following: Apparently it *is* for many persons. Hence, we *have* religions. = The question ""why anything exists"" can be countered by = demanding answer to a question ""why there is nothing in nothingness, = or in non-existence"". Actually, both questions turn out to be = devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist = don't exist. Tautology at its best. Carefully examine the original question, and then the ""counter-question"". The first asks ""Why"", while the second is a request for definition. It doesn't address why something does or does not exist, but asks to define the lack of existence. The second question is unanswerable indeed, for how do we identify something as ""nothing"" (aren't they mutually exclusive terms)?. How do we identify a state of non-existence (again, this is nearing the limits of this simple layman's ability to comprehend, and I would appreciate an explanation). I might add, the worldview of ""Things that exist do, and things that don't...don't"" is as grounded in the realm of the non-falsifiable, as does the theist's belief in God. It is based on the assumption that there is *not* a reason for being, something as ultimately (un)supportable as the position of there being a reason. Its very foundation exists in the same soil as that of one who claims there *is* a reason. We come to this. Either ""I am, therefore I am."", or ""I am for a reason."" If the former is a satisfactory answer, then you are done, for you are satisfied, and need not a doctor. If the latter, your search is just beginning. = I seriously doubt God could have an answer to this question. Time will tell. 8^) = = Some Christians I have talked to have said that actually, God is = Himself the existence. However, I see several problems with this = answer. First, it inevitably leads to the conclusion that God is = actually _all_ existence, good and evil, devils and angels, us and = them. This is pantheism, not Christianity. Agreed. It would lead me to question their definition of Christianity as well. = Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. = This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God = Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, = it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always = existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. This does not preclude His existence. It only seeks to identify His *qualities* (implying He exists to *have* qualities, BTW). = The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable = of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not = accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods. Like the theist, we come to a statement of faith, for this position assumes that the evidence at hand is conclusive. Note, I am not arguing against scientific endeavor, for science is useful for understanding the universe in which we exist. But I differ from the atheist in a matter of perspective. I seek to understand what exists to understand and appreciate the art of the Creator. I also have discovered science is an inadequate tool to answer ""why"". It appears that M. Pihko agrees (as we shall see). But because a tool is inadequate to answer a question does not preclude the question. Asserting that 'why' is an invalid question does not provide an answer. = : As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't = : true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). = = This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us ""how"", = not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the ""why"" = questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the = supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is = as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist. My apologies. I was using why as ""why did this come to be"". Why did pre-existence become existence. Why did pre-spacetime become spacetime. But we come to the admission that science fails to answer ""Why?"". Because it can't be answered in the realm of modern science, does that make the question invalid? = : I don't believe *any* = : technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite = : having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. = = This opinion is also called vitalism; namely, that living systems are = somehow _fundamentally_ different from inanimate systems. Do Christians = in general adopt this position? What would happen when scientists announce = they have created primitive life (say, small bacteria) in a lab? I suppose we would do the same thing as when Galileo or Capernicus was *vindicated* (before someone starts jumping up and down screaming ""Inquisition!"", note I said *vindicated*. I certainly hope we've gotten beyond the ""shooting the messenger"" stage). M. Pihko does present a good point though. We may need to ask ""What do I as an individual Christian base my faith on?"" Will it be shaken by the production of evidence that shatters our ""sacred cows"" or will we seek to understand if a new discovery truly disagrees with what God *said* (and continues to say) in his Word? ""Why do I ask why?"" (apologies to Budweiser and company 8^]). Jason. -- Jason D. Smith | jasons@atlastele.com | I'm not young enough to know everything. 1x1 | " 5352,12,"From: ptorre@hardy.u.washington.edu (Phil Torre) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu >In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. > >> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. > I missed the first part of this thread; are you switching line level or speaker level audio? If line level, there's a single chip 4x1 *stereo* audio switch available that switches 4 two-channel inputs into 1 two-channel output, and also has a mute function, all controllable with ttl inputs. LM1037, I think? If speaker level, never mind. :( Phil Torre (ptorre@u.washington.edu) " 5353,2,"From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) Subject: Re: MathCad 4.0 swap file Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) writes: >I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows >without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be >happy with this, or insist on a swap file? Presumeably, you mean without a _permanent_ swap file. If Windows needs a swap file, it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesn't exist. Permanent is generally faster though. I don't know why Mathcad wouldn't be happy with either type--Ver. 3.0 is and so should any program conforming to the Win specification. " 5354,6,"From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Minolta FD 50 mm forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 4 Minolta FD 50 mm lens for sale. Good condition. Asking $30. Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu " 5355,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 20 In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >The biggest problem with this is that all orbits are not alike. It can >actually be more expensive to reach a satellite from another orbit than >from the ground. But with cheaper fuel from space based sources it will be cheaper to reach more orbits than from the ground. Also remember, that the presence of a repair/supply facility adds value to the space around it. If you can put your satellite in an orbit where it can be reached by a ready source of supply you can make it cheaper and gain benefit from economies of scale. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------58 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 5356,16,"From: k@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Kao) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: > The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored > transports. ... > With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with > mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few > women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn > to death 51 days later. Is this a joke? The legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on the door. Tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the US Constitution and is hence, illegal. The BD complied with legal search warrants in the past. I do not understand why the BATF used an illegal means to serve their search warrant last February. - Steve Kao " 5357,1,"From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: PaintProgram Wanted Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: antithesis.engin.umich.edu Excuse the sheer newbieness of this post, but I am looking for a decent PaintProgram which will save to various file formats (.BMP .PCX etc etc) via ftp, freeware, or shareware. I would like to check out the available programs for little $$ before I check out the commercial market. Thanks in advance for any help or direction you can give me. Daemon " 5358,8,"From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services Lines: 47 In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes: > Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. > Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 > >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let >us know how it goes. > Daniel Matejka writes: The fourth edition is out, too. But it's probably also not very high on UCB's ""gotta have that"" list. In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes: >Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by >a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road. The >officer stated ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down >highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75."" I just said okay, >and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. Can you beat this ticket? Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon. The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing your speed. Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an Oakland judge who convicted a speeder ""on the officer's testimony that the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."" You can pay off the State and your insurance company, or you can take it to court and be creative. Personally, I've never won that way or seen anyone win, but the judge always listens politely. And I haven't seen _that_ many attempts. You could try the argument that since bikes are shorter than the cars whose speed the nice officer is accustomed to guessing, they therefore appear to be further away, and so their speed appears to be greater than it actually is. I left out a step or two, but you get the idea. If you can make it convincing, theoretically you're supposed to win. I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken. I did get to see some other poor biker try it. He was mixing up various facts like the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested. He'd brought diagrams and a calculator. He was Prepared. He lost. Keep in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours. Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time. Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota. Ahem. OK, I'm better now. Maybe he'd have won had his presentation been more polished. Maybe not. He did get applause. " 5359,0,"From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: Cured, discharged Lines: 24 In article <1pa0f4INNpit@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it? Every time somone writes something and says it is merely describing the norm, it is infact re-inforcing that norm upon those programmed not to think for themselves. The motto is dangerous in itself, it tells the world that every *true* American is god-fearing, and puts down those who do not fear gods. It doesn't need anyone to make it dangerous, it does a good job itself by just existing on your currency. > keith The Desert Brat -- John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/ Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |""It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | ""God's name is smack | |understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some."" | |produce it."" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains | +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ " 5360,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: CNN for sale Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 40 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu In article <93106.21394634AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: |In article <2001.150.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com>, jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) |says: |> |> Bill Vojak: |> |> BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to ""trim"" down |> BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale. The #1 potential |> BV>bidder? TIME/Warner of course. Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-( |> |> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band |> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast |> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two... |> |I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't |think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening |until they break down HIS door. | |BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a |minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made |viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :) |There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and |not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would |STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their |ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts. I will join the ranks here. If someone has the ability to actually put this thing together and get enough support, I'll also contribute $1000 to the effort. And jeeze, people, I'm a *student*, with *no job* yet, and I will put up my own hard-earned savings if it means we have a shot at getting the truth told on the airwaves. Count me in. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 5361,18,"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: Bill Conklin's letter to A.J. Article-I.D.: oregon.5APR199315510067 Distribution: world Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr5.040414.14939@colorado.edu>, ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes... > Again, the main point. > No human being not yet born can be bound to any contract. Wrong. It's possible to inherit a debt. > Further, no third party can be bound to any contract that >they are not a party to. See above. > The Constitution *for* the United States is just such a contract. >No third party can be bound to it. Further, no human who is not specifically >mentioned in Article 6 and has not taken an oath or made an affirmation >to uphold said Const can be bound to uphold or obey it. The Constitution is not a contract. It is a statute. Please, Mr. Teel, or anyone, show me one case where the U.S. Constitution, or any state constitution, is considered a contract. > The Const is designed to limit the powers of government, not to >bind THE PEOPLE. It is also designed to delineate the powers of the U.S. government. > This argument will be presented in great detail in the next post. I can't wait. Daniel Reitman HOW NOT TO WRITE A DEED One case involved the construction of a conveyance to grantees ""jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest in said land, and to the survivor thereof, in fee simple. . . . To Have and to Hold the same unto the said parties hereto, equally, jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest for the period or term of their lives, and to the survivor thereof at the death of the other."" The court held that the survivorship provision indicated an intent to create a joint tenancy. Germain v. Delaine, 294 Ala. 443, 318 So.2d 681 (1975). " 5362,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: netcom.mssC52qMx.768 Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 86 In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >> >>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact >>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. > >Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we >have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our >decisions on. Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really? >Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after >adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an >absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about 1993, you know. > >As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the >minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't >believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good >season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent >season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to >use. If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price that season. Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road. Do you really think they would have done what they did if they were competing for a pennant? > >>>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring >>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full >>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove >>>his worth? >> >The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he >hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager >to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him >down ""until he gets warmed up"". For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring training. Did you notice who he got those 10 (!) hits off of, or are you going to tell me that it doesn't make a difference? >>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, > >Just like Keith Mitchell did? Wait a minute. I missed something here. First, forget Keith Mitchell. Are you saying that a kid who moves from AA to AAA and then does not improve would have been better off making a direct leap to the majors? If a player does well at AA and then does not improve at AAA, isn't that a sign that maybe he doesn't belong in the bigs? Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!) he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball. Duh. >That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they >really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience, >or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more >flattering to the organization. Well, I've cast my lot. Certainly you may understand better how good Lopez is. And I may overvalue experience. But neither one of us runs a baseball team. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 5363,13,"From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) Subject: oxaprozin? Organization: AT&T Keywords: Daypro Lines: 7 Anyone have any information on the effects/origin of oxaprozin? It's marketed under the name ""DAYpro"", and appears to be an anti-inflammatory. Is it similar to naproxin? Stronger? TIA GMS " 5364,5,"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 33 cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote: : Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4, : Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup : dialog boxes and so on. : : In example 3.5, page 76 : ""Creating a pop-up dialog box"" : : The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". : The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of : this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the : first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), : it is *much* slower. : : Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get : this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response : time from 2nd time onwards ? : Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time : they popup in reasonable fast response time ? : : Thankyou - Shirley Thanks to those who responded. We were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods: 1) running twm rather than olwm 2) keeping olwm, but putting ""wmTimeout: 10"" in the resources It has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the window manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse what is going on from this information, please post and let us know. Thanks -- Shirley " 5365,15,"From: cbc5b@virginia.edu (Charles Campbell) Subject: Re: Was Jesus Black? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 21 Jesus was born a Jew. We have biblical accounts of both his mother's ancestry and his father's, both tracing back to David. It seems reasonable to assume, therefore, that Jesus was Semitic. As an interesting aside, Jesus' being semitic makes him neither ""white"" nor ""black,"" and in some sense underscores the point made earlier that his color was not important, it was his message, his grace, and his divinity that we should concentrate on. Finally, I would direct anyone interested in African involvement in the church to the account of the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter 9 (I think it's chapter 9). This is one of the earliest conversions, and the eunuch, treasurer to the queen of the Ethiopians, was definitely African. Because ""Ethiopia"" at that time indicated a region just south of Egypt, many also speculate that this man was not only the first African Christian, but the first black Christian as well. God bless, Charles Campbell " 5366,19,"From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding Reply-To: cj@sgi.com Organization: SGI Developer Docudramas Lines: 20 writes: | For an illustrative example in the opposite direction, it may be possible | to ADD services to an insurance contract and REDUCE the premium. If you | add preventative services and this reduces acute care use, then the total | premium may fall. Women who are known not to want abortion services, for example, might be judged to be more likely to require prenatal care & coverage for childbirth... which can be an order of magnitude more expensive than abortion. This topic should really be restricted to talk.abortion, which exists to relieve t.r.m & t.p.m of abortion flamage. --- C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us ""In Melbourne, Fla., meanwhile, anti-abortion marchers rallied to celebrate the death of Dr. David Gunn. ""Praise God!"" they shouted."" (NY Daily News, Fri. March 12, p. 20) " 5367,11,"Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland Lines: 19 In kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes: >The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law >suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn >over the key. It has actually come up (or it will in a week or two) in NZ. I'll post the outcome when the trial finishes (which could take months BTW). Overall it looks like you can't be forced to reveal a password, if anyone can provide a convincing legal argument to the contrary (ie an actual court case) I'd be most interested... Peter. -- pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz||p_gutmann@cs.aukuni.ac.nz||gutmann_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz peterg@kcbbs.gen.nz||peter@nacjack.gen.nz||peter@phlarnschlorpht.nacjack.gen.nz (In order of preference - one of 'em's bound to work) -- Think! (or thwim) -- " 5368,16,"From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Organization: Rice University Lines: 6 Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks. Cathy -- Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu " 5369,4,"From: wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) Subject: SE rom Keywords: roms, grayscale, select 300 Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 32 I just bought a select 300 and rushed home to print some grayscale pictures for my kids, when I discovered that grayscale(and photograde) are not available if you are using an SE...even if you are running with an '030 cpu. You won't see this in the printer's docs, and the Apple rep didn't mention it to our users group either. It seems that SE ROMs won't support those ""features"". Okay, I guess I should have somehow known that this was the case. Let the buyer beware, huh Apple? Be that as it may, I have been thinking about the problem and I'm puzzled. Why can't a defencieny in the ROM be made up for in software. I write software for a living (on unix platforms) and I don't understand the ""it just can't be done"" responses I've gotten from those I have asked so far. Isn't Mode32, or somesuch piece of soft- ware, just such a fix. Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could someone armed with enough info and a little pro- gramming experience cook something up that would supplement the ROM's capabilities? Also, how does one know if one's mac can support the grayscale and photograde that the Select 300 is supposedly capable of? ( Short of buying the printer and trying it out like I did) Thanks for your help. Bill Wright wgw@netcom.com " 5370,11,"From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: NWO Steering Committee Distribution: na Lines: 26 In <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com sez: > >Do the police normally reveal every tap they do even if no charges are >laid? In many ways, it would be a positive step if they had to. >Judges set time limits on warrants, I assume. Under the relevant federal law, 18 USC sec. 2518(8)(d), the authorizing judge must notify the targets within 90 days after the tap period (with extensions) expires. This is the ""normal"" practice. Of course, no wiretap law would be complete without the Unless Clause, which in subsection 8(d) reads like this: ""On an ex parte showing [i.e., by the gov't without opposition, since that would obviously involve notice to the targets] of good cause to a judge of competent jurisdiction the serving of the inventory required by this subsection [the order itself; dates of interception; etc.] *may be postponed*"" (emphasis added). [Followups directed to a few select groups.] -- MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents Before You Start in to be Rough - George Ade Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck " 5371,1,Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Targa format-->text file Lines: 7 Does anyone know how to convert a targa or similar 24 bit picture into a list of R G B values and then convert back to targa after doing operations on the p ixels R G B codes. ex. Targa ---->000100255pixel 1 001200201pixel 2etc.... If no one can help me with this could someone explain how the 24 bit data is st ored in the targa file and also how its stored in the 8 bit targas. Thanks 5372,4,"From: sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (SYG) Subject: Re: AD conversion Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility Lines: 33 >> I am working a data acquisition and analysis program to collect data >> from insect sensory organs. >> Another alternative is the use of the sound input port. > >Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit >converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps >AC-coupled as well? It would depend on the requirements of the poster's data, for some purposes 1/256 resolution (with or without calibration curve). Otherwise the other possibilities would be: 1) get a digital voltameter with serial output & connect to serial port on mac, collect data with some communications program. 2) Buy an A/D chip from Analog devices, Burr-Brown, etc, connect to a parallel to serial converter, use serial port for acquisition (nah. too much soldering and trouble shooting :-) 3) Get a board from National Instruments, Data Translation, Omega, etal. The finest solution, but possibly the most costly. To the original poster: if the signal is too large, why not use a voltage divider? Two resistors, cost very cheap... -- -george sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu 212-650-6028 " 5373,4,"Subject: Re: Mac Plus is constantly rebooting! From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs) Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept Lines: 14 >On a side note, has anyone ever had a Mac Plus ""smoke out"" on them? We >have had four machines that all of a sudden start emitting a thick grayish >white smoke. In each case it was a capacitor that had gone bad. Has >anyone else encountered this? >Keith Cooley >EE Macintosh Lab Administrator >Louisiana Tech University >tkc@engr.LaTech.EDU We've had it happen a time or two. Beginning students think it is pretty entertaining when it happens during a lab lecture or demonstration. " 5374,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Lines: 17 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > >In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device >to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets >must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) > Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 5375,3,"From: mikgr@wpsun4.UUCP (Michael Grant) Subject: Re: COMMENTS ==> VIDEO BLASTER (Creative Labs) Organization: WordPerfect Corporation, Orem UT Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr14.062219.11573@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mej0381@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: > >In <115080@bu.edu> heiser@acs2.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes: > > > >>In article randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) w > >rites: > >>>>The video blaster doesn't work with the ATI GRaphics Ultra Pro, doesn't work > >>>>with >15M system RAM. > > > >>Are you serious? So I can't use a Video Blaster in my 16mb 486/33? > >>What are the alternatives (other than removing memory?) > > > >Get a better one. Hows about the Win/TV thing? > >-- > >The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU | > >Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | | > >oD#0667 ""Just a friend of the beast."" | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU | > >2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET | > > No good. I perfer WatchIT TV. It can run in DOS and Windows. Win/Tv only run in > windows. Sorry.... > > -- Still no good. WatchIT TV will not work on a with local bus video. It will not work in any high reolution modes either. The people who make the card assure me that they will have a card available in June that supports both local-bus and hi-res. BTW does anyone know the name of the company who makes watchit tv? Phone #? BBS? Internet? Thanks Michael Grant (mikgr@wordperfect.com) or (mikgr@wpsun4.uunet.uu.net) " 5376,6,"From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Subject: Re: psychnet Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma. Lines: 33 --In article <1pfg45INNk23@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, okabe@unixg.ubc.ca (Ian Okabe) writes: **************************************************************** * ////// ---------------------- * // // ""Electronic Networking For / PsychNet.Com / * ////// ""Professional Psychology."" /Serving Psychologists/ * // sychNet (1-800-541-2598) / World Wide / *// ----------------------- ************************************************************ >Whats with this psychnet thing...its on just about everyones's >posting no matter where they post from. Its getting very annoying. >-- >Ian T. Okabe (okabe@unixg.ubc.ca) >Atmospheric Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada It's an experiment, place a not so subliminal, slightly cagey message in front of a viewer and see how long it takes to create a response, and what was the response... It was the same thing with the ""Blow me"" message, only it had a quicker response time...and some unexpected responses along with the expectedly negative ones... Anyone see how long that took? Yours, in jest... Tom T ********************************************************************** * Tom Testagrossa - E-MAIL: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com * * US-mail: 132 Clarendon St Apt #2 * * Fitchburg, Ma 01420 U.S.A. * * Phone: Work (508)493-0437 (Voicemail)* * Home (508)342-2362 * * Ask me about my guitars... * *********************************************************************** " 5377,14,"From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Proton/Centaur? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 9 Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I know you believe you understand what it is that you | | think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that | | what I said is not what I meant."" | " 5378,14,"From: brody@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Adam R. Brody ) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: NASA Ames Research Center Distribution: na Lines: 14 prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce >May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. >Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? >Anyone want to go? >pat I got something in the mail from AIAA about it. Cost is $75. Speakers include John Pike, Hohn Young, and Ian Pryke. " 5379,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 53 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Distribution: usa In article <1qiebiINN1c1@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes: >In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >[deleted] >>The University cops here (who are >>are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most >>state cops are. I don't know where you are originally from David but you live >>in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news >>and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here >>than there. > >Which crap, the ridiculous assertions that Uzis are mowing down cops >right and left? The assertions that dialing 911 should be the proper >and only option available to the law-abiding citizens? > >A factoid: > >56 cops were killed in the whole country last year. This is down from >around 100 in the early '80s. Wow, a real explosion in cop killings >there eh? :-) Well, if we're going to discuss being a police officer in America today. The FBI lists 132 police officers killed (feloniously and accidentally) in 1990. That's apparently everybody at all levels. Year Officers killed Rate/100,000 police officers 1982 164* 47.6 1983 152** 40.2 1984 147 39.4 1985 148*** 37.9 1986 133 34.9 1987 148 39.0 1988 155**** 41.9 1989 145***** 38.1 1990 132 32.0 * Includes one officer in Mariana Islands ** Includes one officer each in Guam and Mariana Islands *** Includes one officer in Guam and two in foreign locations **** Includes one officer in American Samoas and two in foreign countries ***** Includes one officer in Guam and one Federal officer killed in Peru God, I love the information age! :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 5380,5,"From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok) Subject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr23.114028.17633@bernina.ethz.ch>, queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes: > Hi netlanders, > > Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX > platform? > > > Thanks in advance > > > Ron. -- Try MetaCard - a HyperCard-like programming environment on X. Chun Hong " 5381,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Argic Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 In article cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) writes: >You definetly are in need of a shrink, loser! Hey cheesedicks, stop sending messages to a guy who's not going to read them. And who cares anyway? " 5382,2,"From: bcasavan@cougar.ecn.uoknor.edu (Brent Casavant) Subject: Diamond Viper Summary: Want information Nntp-Posting-Host: cougar.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Keywords: Any problems? Lines: 16 Hi folks, At the end of the summer I'm planning on getting a new computer (486DX50 or 486DX2/66) and have been poking around in Computer Shopper. Anyway I saw the ads for the Diamond Viper (Local Bus, 2MB memory, 50 million+ WinMarks) and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it (good/bad/not worth the money/etc.) Any information at all would be nice. Also, a few other questions. Anyone know of a good cheap 15""+ 1024x768 NI monitor? And what is a good CD-ROM drive that meets MPC standards and is controlled via SCSI? How about a 250MB tape drive on SCSI? Thanks for your time, Brent Casavant bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu " 5383,5,"From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr) Subject: MacX 1.2 color problem Summary: Problem with MacX 1.2 painting in wrong colors Keywords: mac x color window macx Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 13 I have a peculiar color problem with MacX, Apple's Macintosh X server. I'd like to know if others have seen the same problem. It's happened with the current version (1.2), and with version 1.1.7. When some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows are in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server to repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen for xterm windows, but has happened for graphic windows and with some Motif clients. -- Stan Kerr Computing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana Phone: 217-333-5217 Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu " 5384,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Basics about maintenance Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.002142.6753 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr5.175719.7892@telxon.mis.telxon.com> joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes: >In article <1piip4$bo6@agate.berkeley.edu> hubertc@whistle.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Hung-Hsien (Hubert) Chang) writes: >> >>Hi! being new to a car owner, I would pretty much like to know more about >>some basics of maintaining the cars. >> >>I know the following: >> >>1. Oil has to be changed every 3000 miles. > >Change the oil filter, too. > >>2. Check tires before going on the high way. And fill up the tank. > >Make that monthly, or more often if you know one or more of your >tires has a slow leak. If the tire has a leak you should fix it. > >>What others? Thank you. > > >4. Check ALL fluids regularly (every month?), check the oil every time you > fill up with gas. Doesn't work too well if the engine is hot, its more accurate to check the oil when the engine is cool, i.e. not when you are at a gas station. Craig " 5385,2,"From: colburn@caesar (alex colburn) Subject: Re: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? Nntp-Posting-Host: caesar.iaf.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Image Analysis Facility Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr12.154418.14463@cimlinc.uucp> bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) writes: >Hello, > > I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have >come across a few that look good: >Zinc >---- > Has a platform independent resource strategy. (Not too important for me right now) > > >brett.harper@cimlinc.com Just a thought on resources, It is very important if you do use a multiplatform toolkit to check on how it uses resources. I have used Glockenspeil commonview under Motif and OS2. I wrote a resource converter from OS2 to Motif, but it really wasn't too easy, especially the naming scheme. In Motif you cannot rename controls/widgets. With windows you can call the OK button ID_OK in every instance, this doesn't work for Motif, you'd have to call it Dialog1_OK, and Motif expects a text string rather than a number. So your constructor should know how to convert a #define into the proper resource identifier. I'd check on how the toolkit expects names, and that if it does use resources, that is uses resources for all platforms you intend to port to. ( By the way, I would never use CommonView or Glockenspiel for anything ) Alex. -- __ __| \ __| Alex Colburn | / \ | Image Analysis Facility | _____ \ __| University of Iowa ______| _/ _\ _| colburn@tessa.iaf.uiowa.edu " 5386,10,"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: Re: AHL Calder Cup Playoff preview Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Daryl Turner (umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : In article <1993Apr14.193524.25755@news.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes: : > : >ATLANTIC DIVISION : > : > ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS VS MONCTON HAWKS : > MONCTON HAWKS : >See CD Islanders. Moncton is a very similar team to CDI. Low scoring, : >defensive, good goaltending. John Leblanc and Stu Barnes are the only : >noticable guns on the team. But the defense is top notch and : >Mike O'Neill is the most underrated goalie in the league. : > : Bri, as I have tried to tell you since 2 February, Michael O'Neill : might be the most underrated goalie in the AHL, but he ISN'T in the : AHL. He's on the Winnipeg Jets' injury list, as he has been since : his first NHL start against the Ottawa Senators. He's out until : next year after surgery to repair a shoulder separation. : Stu Barnes might be an AHL gun for the Hawks, but he's now the third : line center with the Jets, and has been since mid January or so. Sorry, my memory is gone. I thought that O'Neill got sent back down in February but I must have been given incorrect info. I guess this says it all about Moncton because Barnes is still one of their top 3 or so scorers even though he's been out since January. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 5387,1,"From: kohut1@urz.unibas.ch Subject: Help ! Miro Crystal or ATI GUP ? Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland Lines: 21 I'm planning to buy a new VLB/EISA system with a good graphic performance. So far I looked at the ATI GUP VLB as my favorite graphics-card. But recently I heard something about a new card from Miro. It was the Miro Crystal 24s with 3 MB and True Color support up to 1024x768. It costs just a little more than the ATI. So, can't decide which one matches better my needs. Any technical references and performance comparisons (especially from the Miro card) would be greatly appreciated. -Peter- E-Mail : kohut1@urz.unibas.ch ****************************** **** Universitas Basiliensis ***** **** Switzerland ***** ******************************** " 5388,2,"From: silver@fraser.sfu.ca (Craig Silver) Subject: format a:/s under Win. & DOS6 ?? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: na Lines: 13 Has anyone experienced problems formatting a system floppy in the File Manager under DOS 6? I get a formatted disk but when I boot with it, my hard drive isn't recognized. I did install DoubleSpace. Also, I *was* able to make a good-working system floppy from the DOS 6 command shell (no Windows). Let me know if you've had this problem too and if you've heard what's going on. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Silver Computer Science at Simon Fraser University silver@sfu.ca (Internet) Burnaby, B.C., Canada " 5389,1,From: kreyling@lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966) Subject: Sun-os and 8bit ASCII graphics Organization: Loral Data Systems Distribution: comp.graphics Lines: 7 I would like to know if anyone has had any luck using the upper 128 ASCII characters on a Sun station. I am trying to convert a fortran program to run on a Sun. When we write character buffers to the Sun which contain char(218) or char(196) or char(197) etc. We get characters on the screen but they are not the characters in the standard ASCII tables. Any ideas or help will be appreciated. 5390,3,"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: Mounting CPU Cooler in vertical case Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 I just installed a DX2-66 CPU in a clone motherboard, and tried mounting a CPU cooler on the chip. After about 1/2 hour, the weight of the cooler was enough to dislodge the CPU from its mount. It ended up bending a few pins on the CPU, but luckily the power was not on yet. I ended up pressing the CPU deeply into its socket and then putting the CPU cooler back on. So far so good. Have others had this problem? How do you ensure that the weight of the CPU fan and heatsink do not eventually work the CPU out of its socket when mounting the motherboard in a vertical case? -- Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com " 5391,19,"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic? Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes: > From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com > (Jon Livesey): > > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why > > are so many children dying all over the world? > > The majority of the world isn't ""Western"". Superficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple. An awful lot of the starvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic policies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical Westerner. For instance, some third-world countries with terrible malnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can be fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers. They have to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans we encouraged them to take out. Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre idea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against Western infanticide. All the evidence suggests that so long as the children are dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit. And that goes for the supposed ""Pro-Life"" movement, too. They could save far more lives by fighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against abortion. Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more of those by fighting for human rights in China. And besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this ethic against infanticide. Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory forced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case. mathew " 5392,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services In-Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:18:47 -0500 Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 28 For example, I don't own a cordless phone. With Clipper, I would. If the local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about local kids or nosy neighbors. I do tend to agree. Sigh. So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost? Of course, if we didn't have government monopolies on cellular phone service, there probably *would* be some available. > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. The Second Amendment is especially apt, given the ITAR definitions of crypto equipment as munitions, and the gun-control people's increasing ability to define things as ""assault weapons"" and make them illegal. Triple-DES is obviously used for ""assault phones"", while Cripple will be legal, and Triple-Cripple may fall into the gray area of ""illegally upgrading to an assault phone""... -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 5393,15,"From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 25 tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes: >Chuck Petch writes: >>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming >>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days. >>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think >>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it >>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is >>drawing near. Look up! >How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who >can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline? If I am not mistaken, the Jewish family names Cohen, Kahn, etc. are considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Aaron. The family names Levi, Levene, etc. are considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Levi. The main legal issue is the purification of the priesthood, which is supposed to involve finding the ashes of of the red heifer last used for this purpose 2000 years ago. _______________________________________________________________________________ steven stovall stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu (310) 825-7307 " 5394,0,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15: 50:02 EDT Organization: Compaq Computer Corp Lines: 11 >>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:50:02 EDT, said: J> YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE J> PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!! Hmm, I've got my MST3K lunch box, my travel scrabble, and a couple of kegs of Bass Ale. I'm all set! Let's go everybody! -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 5395,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: > In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > > > >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > >> in Texas. > > > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. Brent shows his ignorance once again. Power had been cut for weeks. And he's never lived in a rural area if he thinks electric stoves have favor there. They stop working when the power fails, and power restoration come MUCH slower in the country, than the city. LP gas stoves and ovens are very much prefered. > > -- > <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> > <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 5396,0,"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (was: Americans and Evolution) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 110 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: syndicoot.engin.umich.edu In article <1993Apr2.155057.808@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: [why do babies get diseases, etc.] >What God did create was life according to a protein code which is >mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of >creationism vs evolutionism, Here's the (main) problem. The scenario you outline is reasonably consistent, but all the evidence that I am familiar with not only does not support it, but indicates something far different. The Earth, by latest estimates, is about 4.6 billion years old, and has had life for about 3.5 billion of those years. Humans have only been around for (at most) about 200,000 years. But, the fossil evidence inidcates that life has been changing and evolving, and, in fact, disease-ridden, long before there were people. (Yes, there are fossils that show signs of disease... mostly bone disorders, of course, but there are some.) Heck, not just fossil evidence, but what we've been able to glean from genetic study shows that disease has been around for a long, long time. If human sin was what brought about disease (at least, indirectly, though necessarily) then how could it exist before humans? > God created the original genetic code >perfect and without flaw. And without getting sidetracked into >the theological ramifications of the original sin, the main effect >of the so-called original sin for this discussion was to remove >humanity from God's protection since by their choice A&E cut >themselves off from intimate fellowship with God. In addition, their >sin caused them to come under the dominion of Satan, who then assumed >dominion over the earth... [deletions] >Since humanity was no longer under God's protection but under Satan's >dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer >diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of >natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the >degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. Uh... I know of many evolutionary biologists, who know more about biology than you claim to, who will strongly disagree with this. There is no evidence that the human genetic code (or any other) 'started off' in perfect condition. It seems to adapt to its envionment, in a collective sense. I'm really curious as to what you mean by 'the degeneration of the genetic code'. >Human DNA, being more ""complex"", tends to accumulate errors adversely >affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the >simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in >causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Umm. Nah, we seem to do a pretty good job of adapting to viruses and bacteria, and they to us. Only a very small percentage of microlife is harmful to humans... and that small percentage seems to be reasonalby constant in size, but the ranks keep changing. For example, bubonic plague used to be a really nasty disease, I'm sure you'll agree. But it still pops up from time to time, even today... and doesn't do as much damage. Part of that is because of better sanitation, but even when people get the disease, the symptoms tend to be less severe than in the past. This seems to be partly because people who were very susceptible died off long ago, and because the really nasty variants 'overgrazed', (forgive the poor terminology, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! :-> ) and died off for lack of nearby hosts. I could be wrong on this, but from what I gather acne is only a few hundred years old, and used to be nastier, though no killer. It seems to be getting less nasty w/age... > Hence >we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial >diseases/disorders. Now, wait a minute. I have a question. Humans were created perfect, right? And, you admit that we have an inbuilt abiliy to fight off disease. It seems unlikely that Satan, who's making the diseases, would also gift humans with the means to fight them off. Simpler to make the diseases less lethal, if he wants survivors. As far as I can see, our immune systems, imperfect though they may (presently?) be, must have been built into us by God. I want to be clear on this: are you saying that God was planning ahead for the time when Satan would be in charge by building an immune system that was not, at the time of design, necessary? That is, God made our immune systems ahead of time, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and their descendents would need to fight off diseases? >This may be more of a mystical/supernatural explanation than you >are prepared to accept, but God is not responsible for disease. >Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of >disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since >humanity forsook God's protection. Here's another puzzle. What, exactly, do you mean by 'perfect' in the phrase, 'created... perfect and without flaw'? To my mind, a 'perfect' system would be incapable of degrading over time. A 'perfect' system that will, without constant intervention, become imperfect is *not* a perfect system. At least, IMHO. Or is it that God did something like writing a masterpiece novel on a bunch of gum wrappers held together with Elmer's glue? That is, the original genetic 'instructions' were perfect, but were 'written' in inferior materials that had to be carefully tended or would fall apart? If so, why could God not have used better materials? Was God *incapable* of creating a system that could maintain itself, of did It just choose not to? [deletions] >In summary, newborns are innocent, but God does not cause their suffering. My main point, as I said, was that there really isn't any evidence for the explanation you give. (At least, that I'm aware of.) But, I couldn't help making a few nitpicks here and there. :-> Sincerely, Ray Ingles || The above opinions are probably || not those of the University of ingles@engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet. " 5397,11,"From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: What is going on?... Lines: 26 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Distribution: inet In article <1qhc2p$8d8@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.120229.15878@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rwebb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Russell Webb) writes: ... > Call me paranoid, but this is the same kind of scare story which Dorothy > Denning was citing while calling for the limitation of cryptography. > > I doubt that DD is behind this -- > > but I suspect that the FBI (and maybe NSA) are behind DD and those agencies > could easily be mounting a nationwide campaign (with our tax dollars?) to > build up public outcry against digital communication -- especially against > unbreakable, encrypted communication. > > > What's going on here?? > Haven't you read any of Noam Chomsky's works? A widely used information net outside the control of the 'right people' is unthinkable. Hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent to wipe it out, sorry, 'regulate and order it' once the major media and poitical powers wake up to the efect it can have. If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". ~Paul " 5398,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 22 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >1. The idea of providing financial incentives to selected >forms of partnership and marriage, is not conventional. However, >it is based on the concept of affirmative action, which is >recognized as a legitimate form of public policy to reverse the >perverse effects of segregation and discrimination. Other people have already shown this to be a rediculous proposal. however, I wanted to point out that there are many people who do not think that affirmative action is a either intelligent or productive. It is demeaning to those who it supposedly helps and it is discriminatory. Any proposal based on it is likely bunk as well. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 5399,16,"From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) Subject: Re: NRA Fucks Up Bigtime Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com In-reply-to: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 04:24:50 GMT Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk. <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes: > In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >>In article , jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes: >>> No, actually I'm a lot more familiar with the libbers than I >>> care to be. I'm a bit hesitant to continue this thread because >>> it brings back horrible memories of my first encounter with the >>> libbers in the LaRouche branch. I made the mistake of buying a >>Any connection between Lyndon LaRouche and the Libertarian Party >>is a pure product of your own fertile imagination. > Naw, perhaps he reads Time magazine. It's a fair stretch of anyone's imagination to expect them to attach any credibility to anything written in Time magazine in the past twenty years, I'd imagine. The Enquirer at least gets the names attached to the right body parts. =Mark -- ---- Mark E. Slagle PO Box 61059 slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com Sunnyvale, CA 94088 408-756-0895 USA " 5400,17,"From: nraclaw@jade.tufts.edu (Nissan Raclaw) Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Lines: 13 Congratulations also are due to the Hamas activists who blew up the World Trade Center, no? After all, with every American that they put in the grave they are underlining the USA's bankrupt imperialist policies. Go HAmas! Blah blah blah blah blah Brad, you are only asking that that violence that you love so much come back to haunt you............... Nissan " 5401,11,"From: jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Yale University Lines: 21 Distribution: inet Reply-To: jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Minerva PL9] Shaun P. Hughes (sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu) wrote: : In article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu writes: [deletion] : >Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it : >was posted encrypted? : > : >These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. : > : Now why would anyone ""post"" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of : use between persons who know how to decrypt the data. : And why should I care what other people look at? I was responding to another person (Tarl Neustaedter) who held that the EFF wasn't the best organization to fight for crytography rights since the EFF also supports the right to distribute pornography over the internet, something some Crypto people might object to. In other words, he's implying that there are people who will protect any speech, just as long as it is encrypted. " 5402,4,"From: dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David Claytor) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu In article <1r00fdINNddt@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> thewho@athena.mit.edu (Derek A Fong) writes: > >Interestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has >only 8 disks: > >1. System Install >2. Kodak Photo CD sampler >3. Alice to Ocean >4. CDROM Titles >5. Application Demos >6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet >7. Nautilus >8. Apple Chronicles > >Has anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be >getting with the external? What I really feel I missed out on is what >is supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk. > >I have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive. >I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM. > >any comments and experiences? Should I call Apple to complain? =) > >Derek > > >thewho@plume.mit.edu What I did NOT get with my drive (CD300i) is the System Install CD you listed as #1. Any ideas about how I can get one? I bought my IIvx 8/120 from Direct Express in Chicago (no complaints at all -- good price & good service). BTW, I've heard that the System Install CD can be used to boot the mac; however, my drive will NOT accept a CD caddy is the machine is off. How can you boot with it then? --Dave -- dlc@umcc.ais.org 313.485.3394 " 5403,15,"From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. Lines: 41 In article , hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes: > > Say, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group > of geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on > the island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on > the island is given the task of warning others of the danger. > > They believe the danger is real, but others may not. > > Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning > others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs > are correct, and all others are false? But what if the geologists are wrong and these people are warning of a non-existent danger? Analogies can only push an argument so far (on both sides). Both Melinda's and yours assume the premises used to set up your respective analogies are true and thus the correct conclusion will arise. The important point to note is the different directions both sides come from. Christians believe they know the TRUTH and thus believe they have the right (and duty) to tell the TRUTH to all. Christians can get offended if others do not believe (what is self-evidently to them) the TRUTH. Non-christians do not believe this is the TRUTH and get offended at them because they (christians) claim to know the TRUTH. (BTW this argument goes for anyone, I am not just bagging christians) Neither side can be really reconciled unless one of the parties changes their mind. As Melinda pointed out, there is no point in arguing along these lines because both approach from a different premise. A more useful line of discussion is WHY people believe in particular faiths. Personally, I don't mind what anyone believes as long as they allow me mine and we can all live peacefully. > Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department -- Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. " 5404,19,"From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Lines: 38 Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes: > In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, > > I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his > sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths? > Koresh was a nut, okay? Again, I'd like to see some evidence. > I'll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set > the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don't make him out to > be a martyr. He did not ""get killed"", he killed himself. Once again, where's your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch Davidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to commit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not suicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities knocked over a lantern. > The evil was inside the compound. Evidence please? > All that ""thou shalt not kill"" stuff. I'd like to point out that the Bible says ""Do not commit murder."" The NKJ translation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The reason why they were stockpiling weapons is because they were afraid the government would try something. Their fears were obviously well founded. --Ray Cote There's no government like no government. " 5405,15,"From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 31 In article gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > >I was raised in a religious atmosphere, and attended 13 years of >religious educational institutions.. I know the bible well. So well >I can recognize many passages from memory. [stuff deleted for brevity] >Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are >because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life >a safety blanked to hide behind. ""Oh wow..all i have to do is >follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."" >For all of you ""found jeezus"" , how many of you were ""on the brink?"" Your very starting point is wrong. Christianity is not based on following a moral standard. ""For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith... NOT BY WORKS so that no man may boast."" (Eph. 2:7-8) You say that you know the Bible well, and can recognize (do you mean recite?) many passages from memory. That could very well be so. However, it looks like there are a few more passages that you should pay attention to. (Titus 3:5 and James 2:10 are among them.) Obedience to the moral law is imporant. However, it is supposed to be the result of turning your life over to Christ and becoming a Christian. It is by no means the starting point. -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. " 5406,9,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Opening Day of 1990? Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 30 Distribution: usa Expires: 5/9/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Baltimore O's not looking stellar The O's just lost to the Rangers a few minutes ago I was not too happy about the pitching of Rick Sutcliffe (6 runs in 6 innings, 5 in the 3?) This puts me in remembering the 1990 O's season. After '89 we didn't do much over winter and we wound up in 5th. Now I know that Mussina, McDonald, and Rhodes are better pitching prospects than Ballard and Milacki but are any other Oriole fans scared out there? Admiral Steve C. Liu P.S. Other scores as of now. Cincy over Montreal, 2-1 I think FLORIDA IS LEADING LA 6-3 IN THE 8TH! Braves vs. Cubs, 1-0 in the 8th. Futility of Cubs batting haunting them. Yanks beat the Tribe I believe. ____________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. 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Flanagan | | The Pi Club - Creating the largest .signatures for the past nine months | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 5407,3,"From: jdolske@andy.bgsu.edu (justin dolske) Subject: Re: Wanted ISA mouse port with high interrupt Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Distribution: na Lines: 32 lyourk@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Loran N. Yourk) writes: > > With a sound card on interrupt 5, two serial ports (one for modem on i4, > one for Miracle Piano on i3) and a printer port on i7, I have run out of > low interrupts. What I would like is a mouse port with an interrupt of > 10, 11, or 12 (which ever interrupt the PS/2 mouse port uses) in in ISA > i486 computer. I called technical support of Microsoft, Logitech, & ATI > (checked what interrupts the mouse port on the ATI video cards can use) > and they all said the only interrupts possible on these cards was ones > lower than 7. Does anyone know of any board for an ISA bus which will > allow a mouse port (or even a serial port) with high interrupts? Try putting one of the IRQs for your COM ports onto IRQ2. The hardware will automagically wrap IRQ2 to IRQ9 on AT class machines (eg, anything with high IRQs). This is what I'm doing on my set up right now. I've got COM2 on IRQ2 (really IRQ9 - address it this way in software), COM1 on IRQ3, SoundBlaster on IRQ5, LPT1 on IRQ7, and my ATI BusMouse port on one of the interrupts in between. Works just great. If you need even more, there's a text file floating around somewhere that details how to hack up any serial card (and probably any others) to work on the higher IRQs. It basically involves cutting the trace to the low IRQ and running a wire over the a high IRQ pin on the 16bit expansion bus. It will be best to put the modem's COM port onto IRQ2/9. This will be the first IRQ serviced by the system, giving the modem a better response -- especially handy under multitaskers like OS/2 -- which I'm running with no problems. Justin --- jdolske@andy.bgsu.edu " 5408,5,"From: ahlenius@rtsg.mot.com (Mark Ahlenius) Subject: converting color gif to X pixmap Summary: How to convert color gif to color pixmap Keywords: gif pixmap Nntp-Posting-Host: turquoise Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 34 I have looked through the FAQ sections and have not seen a answer for this. I have an X/Motif application that I have written. I have a couple of gif files (or pict) that I have scanned in with a color scanner. Now I would like to be able to convert the gif files into a format that could be read into my application and displayed on the background of its main window. Preferably with pixmaps, or perhaps as an XImage. I have found functions in the pbmplus program suite to convert gif to xbm, but that is monochrome, and I really do need color. I have looked at xv, which reads in gif, and writes out several formats, but have not found a way to write out a file which can be read in as a pixmap. Is there an easy way to do this? email responses preferred. thanks! 'mark ahlenius@rtsg.mot.com -- =============== regards 'mark ============================================= Mark Ahlenius voice:(708)-632-5346 email: ahlenius@marble.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Inc. fax: (708)-632-2413 Arlington, Hts. IL, USA 60004 " 5409,8,"From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) Subject: Re: Protective gear Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: > >I'm still looking for good gloves, myself, >as the ones I have now are too loose. When you find some new ones, I suggest donating the ones you have now to the Lautrec family in France... Michael -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | | Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ " 5410,2,"From: don@hunan.rastek.com (Donald Owen Newbold) Subject: Re: ATM... ==> Now HPLJ 4 Pricing Organization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL Lines: 41 While there are too many PS clones to count, some of which are quite poor, trying to clone something that goes through regular modifications does require some patience. Three questions come to mid real quick for something like this. Q: Which version of Adobe PS will we clone? Aside from the level 1 and level 2 issues, Adobe has in the past released new code that incorporates modifications/upgrades/fixes just as all other software vendors do. The level 2 stuff may seem sound now, but I assure you,changes will become more frequent as their customer list begins to dwindle in the face of competition. This allows them to shift people to maintenance, as well as design efforts for level 3. Q: Do we duplicate the bugs, or do we make it work correctly? From the LaserWriter to the LaserJet 4 there have been bugs. (If I had a number to call at HP or Adobe, they'ld have heard from me.) Deciding which approach to take depends on which printer you want to emulate. Q: Do we follow the Red Book, or do we follow someone's implementation? Without a doubt, there are differences between the Red Book and Adobe's PS. With level 2 many issues have been refined but the Red Book does leave big, big holes in the implementation specific stuff. It would be nice it the Red Bood at least pined things down enough so that two different implementations of Adobe's PS don't do the exact opposite given an identical set of conditions. Q: PSCRIPT.DRV? Having done a lot of PS clone testing myself, the unfortunate side of testing is the limited number of sources for test files. The primary source we use is Genoa. And having characterizes their 1992 PS ATS files, (1300+ of them) over half are taken from PSCRIPT.DRV. It may not ideal, but the ATS files are what the printer vendors use. I'm sure that Adobe uses them too, but Adobe's output is by definition correct, even if its wrong. Yes, there are some very poor clones. We've seen them here at Rastek (a sub of Genicom which has its own clone called GeniScript). Some are poor for lack of design, some are poor because they followed the Red Book, and some are poor because the vendors don't know what PS is. Don Newbold don@rastek.com " 5411,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: lost in (TekHVC color) space Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 13 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Hi, xtici worked for my system. I'm using X11R5 pl 17 clientside only on a DEC 5000/240 on Ultrix 4.3 May be you have a serious floatingpoint compilation problem ? -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 5412,10,"From: patchman@lion.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper) Subject: Personal to Ulf Samuellsson Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lion.wpi.edu Dear Ulf, Would you possibly consider helpiMontreal Canadiens fans everywhere by throwing a knee-check in the direction of Denis Savard during your upcoming game against Montreal? We just can't seem to win WITH him! Thanx alot, Pete H. :-) ############################################################################### !Pete Harper ! Baby, baby don't you hesitate 'cause I just can't wait! !patchman@wpi.wpi.edu ! Lady once you get me down on my knees, ! !OR ! then you can do what you please . . . ! !U_HARPER@jake.wpi.edu! COME ON AND LOVE ME! ! ! ! -Skid Row, ""Come On and Love Me"" ! ******************************************************************************* " 5413,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 93 In article <1993Apr15.132954.4396@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes: >How dare you presume that he even has a right to go around a newsgroup >with a desire to convince others of any external position he has. They are news because they are the exceptions. And the 'Islamic Holocaust' is much the topic of the day. The historical evidence proves that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin. Armenians perpetrated acts of sabotage, destroyed telephone cables, blew up bridges, blocked passes, set up ambushes, attacked security stations and small Turkish outposts behind the Ottoman Army lines on the one hand, and on the other ruthlessly attacked Turkish and Kurdish villages, slaughtering the Turkish population indiscriminately, women, children, old and young alike. Innocent Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death, or massacred with axes and swords, or else shut up in mosques or in schools and then burnt alive as can be seen below. Widespread Armenian massacres of innocent Muslims took place in regions of Van, Kars, Sivas, Erzurum, Bitlis, Erzincan, Mus, Diyarbakir and Maras. The Ottoman Army, while fighting to prevent the Russian invasion, also had to deal with Armenian genocide squads who cowardly hit from behind. The Armenian genocide of the Muslims spread to all parts of Eastern Anatolia. Starting from late 1914, Armenians committed widespread massacres and genocide in Eastern Anatolia, because the arena was left to the Armenians. Almost every Turkish town and village from Erzincan up to Azerbaidjan suffered large scale massacres and genocide by Armenians and the Turkish genocide has been documented by Armenian, Russian, American, British, Ottoman, German, Austrian and French journalists and officers who observed the first genocide of this century committed by the blood-thirsty Armenian genocide squads. The Ottoman Army, liberating Trabzon, Bayburt, Erzincan, Erzurum, Kars and other regions from the Russians, saw that the cities and their villages had been destroyed and burnt, people slaughtered, massacred. The massacres conducted by Armenians, which became a black stain for humanity, shocked and disgusted even the Russian, British, German, Austrian, French and American authorities. Almost every Ottoman document is related to Armenian massacres and cruelties. The inhuman treatment, cruelties, atrocities, genocide by Armenian genocide squads perpetrated against innocent Moslem Turkish and Kurdish people, are sufficiently reflected in historical documents. Even today over seventy-five years later, the terrifying screams of the victims of these cruelties can be heard. Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 76,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53. (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie) 'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin, 'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul. ""I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun. They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."" Dr. Stephan Eshnanie Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5414,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #011 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 210 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #011 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | ""Right, we should slaughter the Armenians!"" and | | ""There's no need to be afraid, all of Moscow is | | behind us."" I even heard that: ""All Moscow is | | behind us."" Well I watched and listened in and | | realized that this was no joke. | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF YURI VAGARSHAKOVICH MUSAELIAN Born 1953 Line Electrician Sumgait Streetcar and Trolleybus Administration Resident at Building 4/21, Apartment 29 Block 14, Narimanov Street Sumgait [Azerbaijan] I spent almost all of February doing overhaul. The 27th was a short day at work, we worked until eleven or eleven-thirty and left for home. I decided to go for a short walk. I went to Primorsky Park. I walked past the Eternal Flame and saw a group of about 8 to 10 people standing there. When I had walked another 15 to 20 yards I heard the screech of automobile brakes behind me. I turned my head toward the sound. It was a light blue GAZ-24 Volga. I see that the people who were standing there have gone over to the car. A man and a woman get out. The man is expensively dressed, in a suit, and the woman has a raincoat on. She doesn't have anything on her head, and her hair is let down, sightly reddish hair, a heavy-set woman. They're 40 to 45 years old. They get something out of the trunk. The people start to help them. I become curious just what are they pulling out of there? When I got up close I heard them turn something on. I didn't see what it was, but it was probably a tape recorder. They put it on the ground near the Eternal Flame honoring the 26 Baku Commissars and formed a tight circle around it. I ask, ""What's going on?"" Someone tells me, ""Come listen."" Well they were Azerbaijanis, I had asked in Azerbaijani. I hear appeals: ""Brother Muslims, our time has come . . . "" and something else along that line. I didn't understand what it was all about. I walked around the group trying to get a look at the owner of the tape recorder. But the circle drew in tighter. New people started coming from various directions, five here, seven there. And the comments started: ""Right, we should slaughter the Armenians!"" and ""There's no need to be afraid, all of Moscow is behind us."" I even heard that: ""All Moscow is behind us."" Well I watched and listened in and realized that this was no joke. I quietly left and went home. Now before that at work I had heard that something was going on in Karabagh, that there were demonstrations there. Well, people were saying all kinds of things, but I didn't have any idea what was really going on. My wife and son were at home, but my daughter was at my aunt's house in Baku. I didn't say anything to my wife. We sat and drank tea. Sometime around two o'clock right behind our house suddenly there is noise, whistling, and shouting. I looked out the window and saw a crowd. The crowd is moving slowly, like they show on TV when blacks in South Africa are striking or having a demonstration and move slowly. My wife asks what's going on out there. I say I don't know. I put on some outdoor clothes and went out to find out what it was all about. In the crowd people are shouting ""Down with the Armenians!"" and ""Death to the Armenians!"" I waited for the entire crowd to pass. At first they went down Narimanov Street on the side with the SK club and the City Party Committee; then they turned and went against the traffic--it's one way there--down the Street of the 26 Baku Commissars toward the streetcar line. I went home and told my wife there was a demonstration going on. In fact I thought that we were having the same kind of demonstrations that they had had in Yerevan and in Karabagh. Aside from the things they were shouting, I was surprised that there were only young people in the crowd. And they were minors, under draft age. My wife and son wanted to go upstairs to visit a friend, but I was kind of uneasy and said, ""No, let's stay at home instead."" An hour went by, or maybe an hour and a half. Well, I wasn't keeping track of the time, I can't say exactly how long it was. I look and see another crowd on Narimanov, but now on the side with the microdistricts, the bazaar, and the Rossiya movie theater. I put outside clothes on and went out again. There's noise, an uproar outside, and the crowd has grown. There are more people. And whereas the first time there were individual shouts, this time they are more focused, more aggressive. No, I think, something's wrong here, this isn't any demonstration. They would run, stop, then walk quickly and make sharp dashes, and then run again. I was walking along the sidewalk and they were in the street. I followed them. I was thinking I'd just watch and see. Who knew where this was leading? We came out on Lenin Square. At the square the SK club is on one side, and the City Party Committee is on the other. I went toward the square and heard noise and shouting, as though the whole town had turned out. There was some sort of a rally going on. I go closer and hear exclamations, appeals. I heard both anti-Armenian and anti-Soviet appeals. ""We don't need perestroika, we want to go on living like we have been."" Now what did they mean by ""living like we have been?"" The Azerbaijanis work like everyone else. But too many people live at the expense of the government and at the expense of others. Speculation, theft, and cheating go on all the time. And not just in Azerbaijan, everywhere, in all the republics, but I've never seen it anywhere else like I have in Azerbaijan. Now at this rally someone says that they should go around to the Armenians' apartments and drive them out, beat them and drive them out. True, I didn't hear them say ""kill them"" over the microphone, I only heard ""beat them and drive them out."" I stayed at the square a few minutes longer. First one, then another are going up onto the stage, and no one tries to stop the crowd. Off to the side of the crowd there were small groups of three or four people, and I think they were MVD [Ministry of Internal Affairs] or State Security KGB. There were also uniformed policemen there, but I didn't see any of them try to pacify the crowd. New people kept coming up onto the stage. Well I had finally decided that this could end badly: This was no demonstration, and I had to protect my family. I left the Square to return home and suddenly noticed a truck. It was next to the City Party Committee, on Narimanov Street, it stood next to the tai- lor's shop there, a low truck, and it had low, wooden panels. I see that some- thing is being unloaded, crates of some sort. I decided to go look because after all those appeals I was apprehensive and thought there might be weapons in there. They pulled the crates out onto the square, not toward the City Party Committee, but toward the SK club. And when I went right up to them I saw that they were cases of vodka. There were two people handing down the cases from the bed of the truck, and on the ground there were many people, 15 to 20. They were handing them down from the truck and each case was carried off by two people. Two people, one case of vodka. And there was a man standing right next to the truck and he was handing out roundish black lumps, maybe about the size of a fist, maybe a little bigger or smaller. It was anasha. When I passed next to that person, he stood with his side to me. There was about a yard and a half between us, and two people were standing near him. He has a package in his hand, and he's pulling out anasha and handing it out. I have never smoked it myself. Once I tried it for fun, but I've seen a lot of people smoke it, I've seen it many times, and I know what it is. I strolled around and no one asked me who I was or what I was doing there. Before I got to the Glass Bazaar I heard more howling, more warlike shouting. I turned around and saw them running. Well I'll just keep on going like I am, I thought. When they caught up with me I saw that they were carrying flags. And I recognized the person who was carrying the flag on my side of the street. He's a young guy, 21 or 22 years old. He was carrying a red flag, which had ""Ermeni oryum"" written on it in Azerbaijani, that means ""Death to Armenians!"" That guy used to live off the same courtyard as us. I don't really know what his name is, but I know his father very well. His father's name is Rafik; he used to be a cook, and then became head chef. He used to have a dark blue Zhiguli van, then he sold it and now he has a white Zhiguli 06. His family, as I said, lived on the same courtyard as we did. Our building was on Narimanov Street, and theirs was on the Street of the 26 Baku Commissars; their apartment was in the far entryway, on the fifth floor, the door on the left. Now Rafik's little brother lives there, and he, Rafik, I heard, got a new apartment either in the forth or eighth microdistrict. In a word, his son was carrying a flag that said ""Death to Armenians!"" I was surprised because before this I had gotten the impression that all of this nonsense was being done not by people from Sumgait, but by Azerbaijanis from Agdam and Kafan. Well anyway I went home. My wife was upset. I told her, ""It's OK, it'll pass, they're young kids, they've just gotten all whooped up."" Naturally I didn't want her to get overly upset. After a while a new surge of crowd went by. And this time they were breaking glass. I could hear it breaking, but I couldn't see where. Well I think, here we go, the machine's in motion. They weren't handing out that vodka and anasha for nothing. I didn't see people drinking and smoking on the spot, but they certainly hadn't unloaded the vodka and hashish to put in a store window! So the thought flashed through my head that the machine was running, no one would stop them now, they weren't even trying, although, I'll say it again, the police were there, I saw them. And it's not just that the police weren't breaking them up, they were joking with them, they were having a good time. True, at the time I couldn't even imagine that under our government, our much- vaunted leadership--and I'm not afraid to say these words: so many people died, So many women were abused, and how many abominations there were!--I couldn't imagine that under our much-vaunted authorities, and if I were to be specific, I would say under the much-touted authorities in our city of Sumgait, I couldn't imagine that such things could take place. When they started breaking glass I told my wife and son: ""Let's go upstairs."" We went to our neighbors, the Grigorians, on the fourth floor. And in the evening, when those crowds started going past again, I went outside once more. I stopped at ""The Corner,"" a place called that right next to the bazaar. I look and see a crowd on the run. And there, a few yards from the entrance to the bazaar, are three respectable-looking men of around, say, 50 years old. The crowd was running and one of the three waved with his arm and pointed toward the bazaar. And then the whole crowd, as though it were one person, wheeled and raced toward the bazaar. And not a soul went past those three, as though it were off limits! Well everything got all churned up, there was more noise, and the glass was flying again. We spent the night at the neighbors'. My apartment was on the first floor, there was really no way to defend yourself there. In the morning I went out to buy bread and to see what was happening in town. On the way I saw someone hunched up, still. I never found out who it was or what happened to him. There were 10 to 15 people standing near him. I got the bread and on my way back, they had gathered around the person who was lying there hunched up, sort of enclosing him; because of the way they were standing you couldn't even see him. That was on the morning of February 28. Everyone knows the rest. May 17, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 161-164 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 5415,15,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 35 In article loisc@microsoft.com (Lois Christiansen) writes: >In article FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu wrote: >You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals, >that are spirit-filled believers, Gifts of the Spirit should not be seen as an endorsement of ones behavior. A lot of people have suffered because of similar beliefs. Jesus said that people would come to Him saying ""Lord, Lord,"" and proclaiming the miraculous works they had done in His name. Jesus would tell them that they were workers of iniquity that do not know Him, and to depart from Him. That is not to say that this will happen to everyone who commits a homosexual sin. If the Holy Spirit were only given to the morally perfect, He would not be given to me, or any of us. God can forgive any sin, if we repent. But people should be careful not to think, ""God has given me a gift of the Spirit, it must be okay to be gay."" That is dangerous (see also hebrews 6 about those who have partaken of the Holy Spirit and of the powers of the world to come.) >The Lord IS working in our community (the homosexual community, that is). He's >not asking us to change our sexual nature, Jesus doesn't ask us to change our own nature. We cannot lift ourselves out of our own sin- but we must submit to His hand as He changes our nature. Practicing homosexual acts and homosexual lusts violates the morality that God has set forth. If you don't believe that, and think those of us who do are just ignorant, then at least consider us weak in the faith and be celebate for our sake's. Is practicing homosexuality worth the cost of a soul, whether it be the homosexual's or the one considered ""ignorant?"" Link Hudson. " 5416,3,"From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) Subject: Re: 16Mb ISA limit Distribution: world Organization: myself Lines: 14 rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us writes in article : > > marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes: > > >Then the writer claims that glitches can > >occur in systems with over 16Mb because > >of that limit. That part I don't understand > >because the RAM is right on the motherboard. > >So the cpu should have no problems talking > >with the RAM. Can anybody explain this ? The floppy is served by DMA on the motherboard, and original DMA-controller can't reach more than the first 16MB (The address-space of the ISA-bus) joerg " 5417,14,"From: wawers@lif.de (Theo Wawers) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Lahmeyer International, Frankfurt Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] There is a nice little tool in Lucid emacs. It's called ""calendar"". On request it shows for given longitude/latitude coordinates times for sunset and sunrise. The code is written in lisp. I don't know if you like the idea that an editor is the right program to calculate these things. Theo W. Theo Wawers LAHMEYER INTERNATIONAL GMBH email : wawers@sunny.lif.de Lyonerstr. 22 phone : +49 69 66 77 639 D-6000 Frankfurt/Main fax : +49 69 66 77 571 Germany " 5418,13,"From: swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil (Steve Kirchoefer) Subject: Re: Can't Breathe Article-I.D.: ra.C526Hv.LCL Organization: Naval Research Laboratory (Electronics Science and Technology Division) Lines: 17 Getting back to the original question in this thread: I experienced breathing difficulties a few years ago similar to those described. In my case, it turned out that I was developing Type I diabetes. Although I never sought direct confirmation of this from my doctor, I think that the breathing problem was associated with the presence of ketones due to the diabetes. I think that ketosis can occur in lesser degree if one is restricting their food intake drastically. I don't know if this relevant in this case, but you might ask your daughter if she has been eating properly. -- Steve Kirchoefer (202) 767-2862 Code 6851 kirchoefer@estd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory Microwave Technology Branch Washington, DC 20375-5000 Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division " 5419,6,"From: set@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (ViSioNary Gfx) Subject: ATTENTION SUPER NINTENDO AND GENESIS PLAYERS READ THIS Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 56 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu IM pleased to announce a new revolutionary device that allows you to copy super nintendo and genesis games to floppy disk. Then later play from floppy disk with out the cart. This is a independent system that interfaces with your SNES or Genesis. OTHER FEATURES *Store multiple copies of cart. save game to disk (up to 32 saves to disk) *Save your position in SNES games that don't norally have a save feature *Switch your SNES into slow motion mode *Use codes to get unlimited lives and other ""cheats"" in many games. The Multi-Game Hunter is capable of copying both SNES and Genesis game carts to standard IBM PC formated floppy disks. The games can them be played directly from the floppy disk. NOTE:IT does not require a PC Full color on-screen icons and menus make operation for the MGH so simple that even a child could operate it. Options can be selected simply by choosing the selection with the game controller and pressin a button. Add a Game saver adapter to your system for more game playing power. The Game saver allows you to save your position to disk in almost any SNES game! Reload your saved position any time. Enable it's slow-motion feature for those really tough games. For more control over game play, We have the Game finger software. The game finger software can give you unlimited lives or warp you to new levels in your favorite SNES games. Bring back to life those really frustrating games. Also if you know how to program 6518 6502 ASM code you can create your own SNES demos or games. MGH includes Base unit,disk drive (high density 3.5 drive), 16megabit RAM, 256 SRAM, all adapters and comes ready to hook up to your gameing system. ONly thing not included is the power supply which you can pick up at radio shack. All for only $500 DISCLAMER the customer assumes all responsibility for the use and or misuse of this product. We in no way encourage nor condone the use of this product for software piracy. This device is intended soley for making legal backup copies. Neither Nintendo or Sega has giving official endorsement of the products described herein. Email me for more info or to make a purchase . " 5420,1,"From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko) Subject: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Distribution: world Organization: Neptune Software Inc Lines: 15 gchen@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu writes in article : > > Greetings! > > Does anybody know if it is possible to set VGA graphics mode to 640x400 > instead of 640x480? Any info is appreciated! Some VESA bios's support this mode (0x100). And *any* VGA should be able to support this (640x480 by 256 colors) since it only requires 256,000 bytes. My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this; it's the only VESA mode by card can support due to 8514/a restrictions. (A WD/Paradise) -- I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) " 5421,13,"From: jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) Subject: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: ceti.cs.unc.edu A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's disease. But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with Crohn's disease ? (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). Thanks in advance, John Eyles jge@cs.unc.edu " 5422,8,Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools <1993Apr1.162709.16643@osf.org> <1993Apr2.235809.3241@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> Lines: 1 WHAT IS THE FLANK DRIVE EVERYONES TALKING ABOUT? 5423,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes: | |Now now Keith, just calm down. What are you some prohibitionist prick? The |point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining |to the cost of insurance and the like. I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or |whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that. Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent. Driving drunk is indefensable and unforgivable. There is a large differnece. But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon. I just hope you don't take a human being out with you. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon " 5424,19,"From: weinss@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein) Subject: New Religion Forming -- Sign Up Summary: Read it. Worthwhile. Laughs & serious questions about real religion. Keywords: Eveism, religion, Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 102 Let me begin by saying I think this is the world's first religion to use the net as its major recruitment medium. Therefore, even if this religion does not take off, its founding members will be very important historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become common. The basis of this religion is to apply various aspects of current conventional morality to the characters in Genesis and Exodus but assume that the Bible's accounts of the facts and historical events is correct. For example, Story of Adam and Eve: Adam and Eve are in Garden of Eden naked and ignorant. Have unlimited supply of food provided, but no clothing, jobs, or knowledge. God says not to eat fruit of tree of knowledge. They do anyway, then try to hide in bushes. God finds them and forces them out of Garden. (There are several different stories on what they were doing while naked in the bushes that might have angered God.) Traditional Philosophy: 1. The only reason you need knowledge or a job is to eat. If someone else will provide you with food, then you can be stupid and unemployed and it's OK. This is why married women usually didn't work until recent decades. 2. Authority figures, such as God, whoever was behind the Vietnam War, Hitler and slaveowners, are always right and should be blindly followed without question by ordinary people, who can't make decisions for themselves. Interpretation of events based on Traditional Philosophy: They were not supposed to eat the fruit. They should have done whatever God told them to. Like small children, they had their needs provided for and were obligated to do whatever their ""Father"" said to. Being forced to leave the Garden and work in order to obtain food was a punishment. Lessons from Traditional Interpretation: 1. Ignorance is good. Knowledge is bad, but tempting. 2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read ""welfare"") is ideal. Get- ting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is punishment. 3. Public nudity is good. Covering up is bad. 4. Authority figures are intrinsically right. Normal people are dumb and should do whatever they are told without question. They should not think for themselves. 5. People in subordinate positions are especially obligated to refrain from learning. For example, it should be illegal for slaves to learn to read. 1990's philosophy: 1. People should seek education and employment outside the home, unless named ""Hillary Clinton"" or ""Murphy Brown"". 2. People should use common sense. They should not kill other people (binding of Issac, wars, Holocaust, etc.) just because they are told to. Interpretation of events based on current philosophy: They were supposed to eat the fruit. God gave wanted them to seek knowledge rather than be handed it on a silver platter. Once they had gained knowledge and (by seeking it) showed their ability to make mature decisions for them- selves, they no longer needed to be treated like little children and were REWARDED by being allowed into the ""real world."" Lessons from new interpretation: 1. Ignorance is bad. Knowledge is good, but must be sought. 2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read ""welfare"") is at best a temporary measure. Getting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is ideal. 3. Public nudity is bad. Covering up is good. 4. Authority figures are often wrong. Normal people are intelligent and should consider whether the instructions are really a good idea and ""alter or abolish"" bad governments. They should think for themselves. 5. People in subordinate decisions are often discouraged from knowledge but should seek it anyway, and all the harder. For example, poor children without good schools should work especially hard in order to make a better life for their children (and themselves). I have tentatively named this new philosophy ""The Church of Eveism"" because Eve's decision to eat the apple is man[sic]kind's first good decision, instead of its first bad one, as traditionally believed. She is therefore clearly a protagonist. God at first appears evil, for telling people not to seek knowledge but on deeper analysis is also a protagonist. As God rewarded the decision to defy him, and provided the tree in the first place, the intention and desire were clearly to have the knowledge be obtained, but to delay it until it was actively sought. ---End serious discussion. Begin humor.-- Save this post to disk (or file server). Someday it will be considered the most important writing since the 10 Commandments. You want an original copy. Stay tuned for the RFD on soc.religion.eveism... Can I get a tax deduction for money I donate to this organization? --Return to serious discussion when posting follow-ups.-- Stephen Weinstein weinss@rpi.edu " 5425,2,"From: reczek@acsu.buffalo.edu (Timothy J. Reczek) Subject: Wanted - dialog box to select file(s) for DOS apps Article-I.D.: acsu.C5Jq1D.HCp Organization: UB Lines: 31 Originator: reczek@tolstoy.acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: tolstoy.acsu.buffalo.edu I'm looking for a program that will let me use a windows common dialog box to select a file to use when running a DOS app. Basically, I have several DOS apps that I use now and then with different files. They all accept a file as a command line parameter, but the only way (at least that I know of) to do this easily when running them from windows is to set up the PIF file so that it prompts me for additional parameters (at which point I type in the file name). Problems are: 1) Sometimes I can't remember where the file is exactly located and it would be nice to browse my directories for it without having to use the file manager. and 2) I'm lazy and hate to type long pathnames for files burried several directory levels deep. If anyone can point me to such a program or let me know of some other way to handle this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Tim -- The Net isn't organized enough to be considered an anarchy reczek@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu " 5426,2,"From: ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks... Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory Lines: 22 nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes: >I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive.. >Don't laugh ... I am serious... >If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of, >please mail me ... >-- Nilay Patel >nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you were looking for the old 8"" or the newer 5.25"". Sorry, just use them at work and don't think they would appreciate it. -- Nathan C. Moore The Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory ncmoore2@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu CIS: 70702,1576 Please note above address for email replies. " 5427,15,"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 8 |In article >randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes: |>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged |>couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? |Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, |nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. How do you know this? " 5428,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 6 _TOO_ many. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 5429,10,"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) Subject: 1992-93 NHL Regular Season Final Attendance Report Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) Organization: none Lines: 40 *** NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE *** 92-93 SEASON HOME ATTENDANCE REPORT Each Qtr. represents 10 home games, Qtr. 4 will have 11 home games. Neutral site games are not included. S/O indicates the number of sell-outs. Team Name Qtr. 1 S/O Qtr. 2 S/O Qtr. 3 S/O Qtr. 4 S/O Totals Average ================================================================================ BOS 140,573 5 142,694 7 142,768 6 152,468 8 578,503 14,109 BUF 144,701 0 148,516 3 152,133 5 168,878 4 614,228 14,981 CAL 190,125 1 196,174 3 196,982 4 217,346 5 800,627 19,527 CHI 176,372 10 176,746 9 177,981 10 196,749 11 727,848 17,752 DET 196,330 10 196,670 10 197,228 10 217,167 10 807,395 19,692 EDM 139,038 0 149,422 2 152,831 2 165,384 2 606,675 14,796 HAR 92,994 0 110,670 2 108,651 0 122,123 0 434,438 10,596 LA 154,065 5 159,014 8 160,050 10 176,055 11 649,184 15,833 MIN 130,710 2 140,933 3 139,986 1 160,213 4 571,842 13,947 MON 168,097 8 169,671 10 168,784 10 190,186 11 696,738 16,993 NJ 127,053 0 124,011 2 145,856 2 163,050 1 559,970 13,657 NYI 114,706 1 108,502 1 123,167 3 139,946 0 486,321 11,861 NYR 178,200 7 179,990 6 182,000 10 199,337 8 739,527 18,037 OTT 104,713 10 105,000 10 104,602 10 115,330 11 429,645 10,479 PHI 172,372 4 172,967 3 172,613 2 190,520 5 708,472 17,279 PIT 160,379 6 161,475 8 161,280 6 177,705 10 660,839 16,118 QUE 149,452 3 147,911 3 147,394 2 168,830 8 613,587 14,965 SJ 110,890 10 110,374 8 110,120 7 121,745 10 453,129 11,051 STL 156,313 3 170,531 5 171,249 5 187,849 7 685,942 16,730 TB 97,269 5 99,621 6 99,611 4 114,059 9 410,560 10,013 TOR 155,500 4 157,779 9 157,014 8 172,888 11 643,181 15,687 VAN 144,120 0 154,184 4 157,094 6 176,751 8 632,149 15,418 WAS 153,209 0 163,563 1 161,479 2 171,711 2 649,962 15,852 WIN 131,072 0 135,902 1 133,414 1 154,956 2 555,344 13,544 3,488,253 3,582,320 3,624,287 4,021,246 14,716,106 Avg. 14,534 14,926 15,101 15,231 14,955 " 5430,15,"From: bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool Lines: 49 >>>>> On 5 May 93 06:51:23 GMT, shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) said: > In article FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan) writes: >> >>I hope that anyone who remembers seeing Rev. Troy Perry's >>""performance"" at the 1987 March On Washington will see for themselves >>just how inconceivable it is to mix Christianity with homosexuality. > Whether or not Christianity and homosexuality are compatible is clearly > debatable, since it IS being debated. In my opnion, it is genuinely > destuctive to the cause of Christianity to use this sort of ad hominem > argument to oppose one's adversaries. It only serves to further drive > people away from Christianity because it projects and confirms the > frequently held opinion that Christians are unable to think critically > and intelligently. I agree entirely. Speaking as an atheist (heterosexual, for what it's worth), this is one of the least attractive parts of some varieties of Christianity. Although I'm sure it's possible to argue theologically that we shouldn't make analogies between discrimination on the basis of sex and race and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, morally the case looks unanswerable (for those outside religion): the three forms _are_ analogous; we shouldn't discriminate on the basis of sex, race or sexual orientation. I found the moderator's FAQs on the subject instructive, and recommend everyone to read them. There seem to be three different levels of acceptance: 1) Regard homosexual orientation as a sin (or evil, whatever) 2) Regard homosexual behaviour as a sin, but accept orientation (though presumably orientation is unfortunate) and dislike people who indulge 3) As 2, but ""love the sinner"" 4) Accept homosexuality altogether. My experience is that 3 is the most common attitude (I imagine 1 and 2 are limited to a few fundamentalist sects). I suppose I can go along with 3, except that I have this feeling that a 14--15 year old living in a community with this attitude, on discovering that they were more attracted to members of the same sex, would not feel the love of the community, but would rather feel the pressure not to exhibit their feelings. I'm not saying that the community (in particular the parents) would not love the child, but I suspect the child would not feel loved. -- Bruce CMSR, University of Liverpool " 5431,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 48 anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>of those files. >>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? >ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer >the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals only a few years ago. >Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? >Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic >minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti- Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise. >>2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? >Paranoia? No, that is why World Trade Center bombings don't happen in Israel (aside from the fact that there is no world trade center) and why people like Zein Isa ( Palestinian whose American group planned to bow up the Israeli Embassy and ""kill many Jews."") are caught. As Mordechai Levy of the JDL said, Paranoid Jews live longer. >>3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an >> additional information should he send them ? >The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already >have them. They probably do. >>Gideon Ehrlich >-anwar Ed. " 5432,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 41 In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >In article <115256@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>Judaism, for one. Maddi has confirmed this for one. And again I >>reiterate that one can easily leave the religion at any time, >>simply by making a public declaration. If one is too lazy to do >>that then the religion cannot be held responsible. >There are many ""Islamic"" countries where publically renouncing Islam can be >quite dangerous. These countries might not, according to you, necessarily be >practicing ""true"" Islam, but the danger still remains; one cannot blame >failure to publically renounce Islam on ""laziness"" as opposed to a desire to >stay alive and well. Of course, if you're planning to pull a Rushdie then declaring one's leaving the religion is little to be concerned about compared to one's other plans. In Rushdie's case, the one under discussion, one can. It is tragic that in _some_ ""Islamic"" countries this is so. There are, however, Islamic countries (whose constitutions contains statements that Islamic law is to be incorporated), e.g. Kuwait, where one can freely make such statements without fear. >Not to mention that it has already been pointed out that Rushdie has said in >his books that he's not a Muslim, and there have surely been enough readers of >his books to provide the appropriate number of witnesses. This story has become tiresome. The conditions are clear. If you care to make your point clear then make a chronology and show that he had made public statements about leaving Islam prior to his writing of _TSV_. If he did make such statements then he should have made _that_ clear rather than trying to rejoin Islam or go on talking about his personal feelings. Gregg " 5433,1,"From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US Lines: 22 In article zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes: > >Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? >Is there any reference to it? >Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage? There is a vast literature on Delaunay triangulations, literally hundreds of papers. A program is even provided with every copy of Mathematica nowadays. You might look at this if you are interested in using it for creating 3D objects: @article{Boissonnat5, author = ""J.D. Boissonnat"", title = ""Geometric Structures for Three-Dimensional Shape Representation"", journal = ""ACM Transactions on Graphics"", month = ""October"", year = {1984}, volume = {3}, number = {4}, pages = {266-286} } " 5434,14,"From: buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) Subject: DC-X Rollout Report X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 124 McDonnell Douglas rolls out DC-X HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. -- On a picture-perfect Southern California day, McDonnell Douglas rolled out its DC-X rocket ship last Saturday. The company hopes this single-stage rocket technology demonstrator will be the first step towards a single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) rocket ship. The white conical vehicle was scheduled to go to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico this week. Flight tests will start in mid-June. Although there wasn't a cloud in the noonday sky, the forecast for SSTO research remains cloudy. The SDI Organization -- which paid $60 million for the DC-X -- can't itself afford to fund full development of a follow-on vehicle. To get the necessary hundreds of millions required for a sub-orbital DC-XA, SDIO is passing a tin cup among its sister government agencies. SDIO originally funded SSTO research as a way to cut the costs for orbital deployments of space-based sensors and weapns. However, recent changes in SDI's political marching orders and budget cuts have made SSTO less of a priority. Today, the agency is more interested in using DC-X as a step towards a low-cost, reusable sounding rocket. SDIO has already done 50 briefings to other government agencies, said Col. Simon ""Pete"" Worden, SDIO's deputy for technology. But Worden declined to say how much the agencies would have to pony up for the program. ""I didn't make colonel by telling my contractors how much money I have available to spend,"" he quipped at a press conference at McDonnell Douglas Astronautics headquarters. While SDIO has lowered its sights on the program's orbital objective, agency officials hail the DC-X as an example of the ""better, faster, cheaper"" approach to hardware development. The agency believes this philosophy can produce breakthroughs that ""leapfrog"" ahead of evolutionary technology developments. Worden said the DC-X illustrates how a ""build a little, test a little"" approach can produce results on time and within budget. He said the program -- which went from concept to hardware in around 18 months -- showed how today's engineers could move beyond the ""miracles of our parents' time."" ""The key is management,"" Worden said. ""SDIO had a very light hand on this project. We had only one overworked major, Jess Sponable."" Although the next phase may involve more agencies, Worden said lean management and a sense of government-industry partnership will be crucial. ""It's essential we do not end up with a large management structure where the price goes up exponentially."" SDIO's approach also won praise from two California members of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee. ""This is the direction we're going to have to go,"" said Rep. George Brown, the committee's Democratic chairman. ""Programs that stretch aout 10 to 15 years aren't sustainable....NASA hasn't learned it yet. SDIO has."" Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, Brown's Republican colleague, went further. Joking that ""a shrimp is a fish designed by a NASA design team,"" Rohrbacher doubted that the program ever would have been completed if it were left to the civil space agency. Rohrbacher, whose Orange County district includes McDonnell Douglas, also criticized NASA-Air Force work on conventional, multi-staged rockets as placing new casings around old missile technology. ""Let's not build fancy ammunition with capsules on top. Let's build a spaceship!"" Although Rohrbacher praised SDIO's sponsorship, he said the private sector needs to take the lead in developing SSTO technology. McDonnell Douglas, which faces very uncertain prospects with its C-17 transport and Space Station Freedom programs, were more cautious about a large private secotro commitment. ""On very large ventures, companies put in seed money,"" said Charles Ordahl, McDonnell Douglas' senior vice president for space systems. ""You need strong government investments."" While the government and industry continue to differ on funding for the DC-XA, they agree on continuing an incremental approach to development. Citing corporate history, they liken the process to Douglas Aircraft's DC aircraft. Just as two earlier aircraft paved the way for the DC-3 transport, a gradual evolution in single-stage rocketry could eventually lead to an orbital Delta Clipper (DC-1). Flight tests this summer at White Sands will ""expand the envelope"" of performance, with successive tests increasing speed and altitude. The first tests will reach 600 feet and demonstrate hovering, verticle take-off and landing. The second series will send the unmanned DC-X up to 5,000 feet. The third and final series will take the craft up to 20,000 feet. Maneuvers will become more complex on third phase. The final tests will include a ""pitch-over"" manever that rotates the vehicle back into a bottom-down configuration for a soft, four-legged landing. The flight test series will be supervised by Charles ""Pete"" Conrad, who performed similar maneuvers on the Apollo 12 moon landing. Now a McDonnell Douglas vice president, Conrad paised the vehicles aircraft-like approach to operations. Features include automated check-out and access panels for easy maintainance. If the program moves to the next stage, engine technology will become a key consideration. This engine would have more thrust than the Pratt & Whitney RL10A-5 engines used on the DC-X. Each motor uses liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants to generate up to 14,760 pounds of thrust Based on the engine used in Centaur upper stages, the A-5 model has a thrust champer designed for sea level operation and three-to-on throttling capability. It also is designed for repeat firings and rapid turnaround. Worden said future single-stage rockets could employ tri-propellant engine technology developed in the former Soviet Union. The resulting engines could burn a dense hydrocarbon fuel at takeoff and then switch to liquid hydrogen at higher altitudes. The mechanism for the teaming may already be in place. Pratt has a technology agreement with NPO Energomash, the design bureau responsible for the tri-propellant and Energia cryogenic engines. " 5435,13,"From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) Subject: Re: Donating organs Article-I.D.: blue.8016 Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute Lines: 31 In article <19393@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <1993Mar25.161109.13101@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes: > >>there been anything recent in ""Transplant Proceedings"" or somesuch, on >>xenografts? How about liver section transplants from living donors? >> > >I'm sure the Pittsburgh group has published the baboon work, but I >don't know where. In Chicago they were doing lobe transplants from >living donors, and I'm sure they've published. The case report of the first xenotransplant was published in Lancet 1993; 341:65-71. I can send you a reprint if you are interested. There was another paper, sort of a tour of the horizon, written by Starzl and published in the Resident's Edition of the Annals of Surgery (vol 216, October 1992). It's in the Surgical Resident's Newsletter section, so you won't find it in the regular issue of the Annals. I don't have any reprints of that one. A paper has been accepted for publication by Immunology Today, though I'm not sure when it's coming out, describing our experience with the two xenografts done to date. As for segmental liver transplants from living related donors I must confess to a total ignorance of that literature. We are philosophically opposed to those, and I don't keep up with that particular field. ===================================================== Howard Doyle doyle+@pitt.edu " 5436,13,"From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) Subject: sore spot on testicles Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Distribution: na Lines: 17 My husband woke up three days ago with a small sore spot (a spot about the size of a nickel) on one of his testicles. Bottom side, no knots or lumps, just a little sore spot. He says it reminds him of how a bruise feels. He has no recollection of hitting it or anything like that that would cause a bruise. (He asssures me he'd remember something like that :-) Any clues as to what it might be? He's somewhat of a hypochondriac (sp?) so he's sure he's gonna die. . . Thanks!! -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 5437,5,"From: guy@x.co.uk (Guy Singh) Subject: Re: xv -root with vue? (was Re: xloadimage -onroot ...) In-Reply-To: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:31:27 PDT X-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: yorks.x.co.uk Organization: Not a lot <1993Apr5.113128.2936@ug.eds.com> X-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message. >>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:31:27 PDT, jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) said: Jan> Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156 Jan> On a related note, how can I use xv to display colored GIFs on my Jan> root display with HP Vue? Jan> All I can do with Vue is display xbm's through their Jan> Backdrop Style Manager. Jan> xv does not seem to be able to override whatever Vue Jan> puts there. I suspect this is because VUE creates a window (probably OverrideRedirect) that is the size of (or larger than) the Root Window. Because the window manager does not know about this, you cannot move, resize etc. it. xv in the mean time is busy changing your root window to whatever you have requested but you never get to see it because VUE's window is overlaid on top of the root window. Contact HP support and see whether VUE can support coloured bitmap format such as xpm, if they cant then they probably create all their coloured backdrops inside the code. -- -Guy Singh, IXI Internet: guy@x.co.uk Vision Park UUCP: guy@ixi.uucp Cambridge Bang: ...!uunet!ixi!guy CB4 4ZR, UK Tel: +44 223 236 555 " 5438,13,"From: brein@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry S. Rein) Subject: Need survival data on colon cancer Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: desa.jpl.nasa.gov A relative of mine was recently diagnosed with colon cancer. I would like to know the best source of survival statistics for this disease when discovered at its various stages. I would prefer to be directed to a recent source of this data, rather than receive the data itself. Thank you, **************************************************************************** * Barry Rein * * brein@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov * **************************************************************************** * No clever comment. * **************************************************************************** " 5439,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Keywords: NHL, awards Lines: 35 In article smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > >I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest >surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just >my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an >opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway.... > >Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby Well, since the Oilers didn't win a heck of a lot of games, I'm not sure they deserve and MVP (""can't win without him""). However, I'd suggest Kelly Buchberger instead of Dave Manson, who has had a brutal year, his pick for the All-Star game notwithstanding. As for biggest surprise, I'd say that Buchberger had higher expectations this year due to his ""breakthrough"" year (for him) last year, so he didn't really raise his game. My suggestion would be Shjon Podein, one of the callups from Cape Breton during the year. He was quite far down on the depth chart in the Oilers stable of prospects, but made a big impact on the team. He has 12 goals in his 33 games and is only -1. Those are decent numbers for a third-line player who was seemingly doomed to minor-league oblivion. The Oilers coaching staff likens his style to John Tonelli. I think he'll be on the full-time roster next year. As for biggest disappointment, you could name any of the players the Oilers dumped for lousy production this year (Nicholls, Gilchrist, Tikkanen) or even Shayne Corson, but Mellanby isn't far off. -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Division | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 5440,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: HELP! TONIGHT! Determine this 387??-25MHz chip! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Did it ever accrue to you to just call INTEL'S 800 number and ask? -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 5441,17,"From: AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: Stanford University Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1993Apr19.204243.19392@cs.rit.edu>, bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: > >I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that >totally destroys Begin's whitewash. I have no particular desire >to post it yet again. > >Brendan. >(normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) You apparently think you are some sort of one-man judge and jury who can declare ""total"" victory and then sit back and enjoy the applause. But you've picked the wrong topic if you think a few rigged ""quotations"" can sustain the legend and lie of the Deir Yassin ""massacre."" You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. At the most basic level, you should know that there is a big difference between weighing evidence fairly and merely finding ""quotations"" that support your preset opinions. If you have studied the history of Israel at all you must know that many of the sources of your ""quotations"" have an axe to grind, and therefore you must be very careful about whom you ""quote."" For example, Meir Pa'il, whom you cite, was indeed a general, a scholar, and a war hero. But that doesn't mean everything that comes out of his mouth is gold. In fact (and here your lack of experience shows), Pa'il is such a fanatic, embittered leftist that much of his anti-Israel blathering (forget about anti-Irgun blathering) would be considered something like treason in non-Israel contexts. But of course you don't consider this AT ALL when you find a juicy ""quotation"" that you can use to attack Israel. Benny Morris (of Hashomer Hatzair) represents himself as a ""scholar"" when he rehashes the old attacks on the Irgun. Don't be fooled. It's just the old Zionist ideological catfight, surfacing as an attack on the (then-) Likud government. If you will look closely at the section on Deir Yassin in his book on the War of Independence, you will see his ""indictment"" to be pure hot air. And this is the BEST HE CAN DO after decades of digging for any sort of damning evidence. Unfortunately for him, because his book parades itself as ""scholarly,"" he is forced to put footnotes. So you can clearly see that his Deir Yassin account is based on nothing. The Deir Yassin ""massacre"" never took place as the propagandists tell it, any more than the Sabra and Shatila ""massacres."" Do you get the feeling people like to blame the Jews for ""massacres,"" even if they have to make them up? It must sound spicy. Even some Jews like to do it, for reasons of their own. Please, don't confuse any of you Deir Yassin ""massacre"" stuff with facts or scholarship. You should stick to Begin's version unless you find something serious to contradict it. Vic " 5442,13,"From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) Subject: Miracle Berries anyone? Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 47 [From Kalat, J.W.. (1992): _Biological Psychology_. Wadsworth Publishing Co. Belmont, CA. Pg. 219. Reproduced without permission.] Digression 6.1: Miracle Berries and the Modification of Taste Receptors Although the _miracle berry_, a plant native to West Africa is practically tasteless, it temporarily changes the taste of other substances. Miracle berries contain a protein, _miraculin_, that modifies sweet receptors in such a way that they can be stimulated by acids (Bartoshuk, Gentile, Moskowitz, & Meiselman, 1974). If you ever get a chance to chew a miracle berry (and I do recommend it), for about the next half an hour all acids (which are normally sour) will taste sweet. They will continue to taste sour as well. Miraculin was, for a time, commercially available in the United States as a diet aid. The idea was that dieters could coat their tongue with a miraculin pill and then eat and drink unsweetened, slightly acidic substances. Such substances would taste sweet without providing many calories. A colleague and I once spent an evening experimenting with miracle berries. We drank straight lemon juice, sauerkraut juice, even vinegar. All tasted extremely sweet. Somehow we forgot how acidic these substances are. We awoke the next day to find our mouths full of ulcers. [... continued discussion of a couple other taste-altering substances ...] Refs: Bartoshuk, L.M., Gentile, R.L., Moskowitz, H.R., & Meiselman, H.L. (1974): Sweet taste induced by miracle fruit (_Synsephalum dulcificum_). _Physiology & Behavior_. 12(6):449-456. ------------- Anyone ever hear of these things or know where to get them? -marc andersom@spot.colorado.edu " 5443,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 195 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 20:02:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/launchers Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:11 $ ORBITAL AND PLANETARY LAUNCH SERVICES The following data comes from _International Reference Guide to Space Launch Systems_ by Steven J. Isakowitz, 1991 edition. Notes: * Unless otherwise specified, LEO and polar paylaods are for a 100 nm orbit. * Reliablity data includes launches through Dec, 1990. Reliabity for a familiy of vehicles includes launches by types no longer built when applicable * Prices are in millions of 1990 $US and are subject to change. * Only operational vehicle families are included. Individual vehicles which have not yet flown are marked by an asterisk (*) If a vehicle had first launch after publication of my data, it may still be marked with an asterisk. Vehicle | Payload kg (lbs) | Reliability | Price | Launch Site (nation) | LEO Polar GTO | | | (Lat. & Long.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ariane 35/40 87.5% Kourou (ESA) (5.2 N, 52.8 W) AR40 4,900 3,900 1,900 1/1 $65m (10,800) (8,580) (4,190) AR42P 6,100 4,800 2,600 1/1 $67m (13,400) (10,600) (5,730) AR44P 6,900 5,500 3,000 0/0 ? $70m (15,200) (12,100) (6,610) AR42L 7,400 5,900 3,200 0/0 ? $90m (16,300) (13,000) (7,050) AR44LP 8,300 6,600 3,700 6/6 $95m (18,300) (14,500) (8,160) AR44L 9,600 7,700 4,200 3/4 $115m (21,100) (16,900) (9,260) * AR5 18,000 ??? 6,800 0/0 $105m (39,600) (15,000) [300nm] Atlas 213/245 86.9% Cape Canaveral (USA) (28.5 N, 81.0W) Atlas E -- 820 -- 15/17 $45m Vandeberg AFB (1,800) (34.7 N, 120.6W) Atlas I 5,580 4,670 2,250 1/1 $70m (12,300) (10,300) (4,950) Atlas II 6,395 5,400 2,680 0/0 $75m (14,100) (11,900) (5,900) Atlas IIA 6,760 5,715 2,810 0/0 $85m (14,900) (12,600) (6,200) * Atlas IIAS 8,390 6,805 3,490 0/0 $115m (18,500) (15,000) (7,700) Delta 189/201 94.0% Cape Canaveral (USA) Vandenberg AFB Delta 6925 3,900 2,950 1,450 14/14 $45m (8,780) (6,490) (3,190) Delta 7925 5,045 3,830 1,820 1/1 $50m (11,100) (8,420) (2,000) Energia 2/2 100% Baikonur (Russia) (45.6 N 63.4 E) Energia 88,000 80,000 ??? 2/2 $110m (194,000) (176,000) H series 22/22 100% Tangeshima (Japan) (30.2 N 130.6 E) * H-2 10,500 6,600 4,000 0/0 $110m (23,000) (14,500) (8,800) Kosmos 371/377 98.4% Plestek (Russia) (62.8 N 40.1 E) Kosmos 1100 - 1350 (2300 - 3000) $??? Kapustin Yar [400 km orbit ??? inclination] (48.4 N 45.8 E) Long March 23/25 92.0% Jiquan SLC (China) (41 N 100 E) * CZ-1D 720 ??? 200 0/0 $10m Xichang SLC (1,590) (440) (28 N 102 E) Taiyuan SLC CZ-2C 3,200 1,750 1,000 12/12 $20m (41 N 100 E) (7,040) (3,860) (2,200) CZ-2E 9,200 ??? 3,370 1/1 $40m (20,300) (7,430) * CZ-2E/HO 13,600 ??? 4,500 0/0 $??? (29,900) (9,900) CZ-3 ??? ??? 1,400 6/7 $33m (3,100) * CZ-3A ??? ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m (5,500) CZ-4 4,000 ??? 1,100 2/2 $???m (8,800) (2,430) Pegasus/Taurus 2/2 100% Peg: B-52/L1011 (USA) Taur: Canaveral Pegasus 455 365 125 2/2 $10m or Vandenberg (1,000) (800) (275) * Taurus 1,450 1,180 375 0/0 $15m (3,200) (2,600) (830) Proton 164/187 87.7% Baikonour (Russia) Proton 20,000 ??? 5,500 164/187 $35-70m (44,100) (12,200) SCOUT 99/113 87.6% Vandenberg AFB (USA) Wallops FF SCOUT G-1 270 210 54 13/13 $12m (37.9 N 75.4 W) (600) (460) (120) San Marco (2.9 S 40.3 E) * Enhanced SCOUT 525 372 110 0/0 $15m (1,160) (820) (240) Shavit 2/2 100% Palmachim AFB (Israel) ( ~31 N) Shavit ??? 160 ??? 2/2 $22m (350) Space Shuttle 37/38 97.4% Kennedy Space (USA) Center Shuttle/SRB 23,500 ??? 5,900 37/38 $248m (28.5 N 81.0 W) (51,800) (13,000) [FY88] * Shuttle/ASRM 27,100 ??? ??? 0/0 (59,800) SLV 2/6 33.3% SHAR Center (India) (400km) (900km polar) (13.9 N 80.4 E) ASLV 150 ??? ??? 0/2 $???m (330) * PSLV 3,000 1,000 450 0/0 $???m (6,600) (2,200) (990) * GSLV 8,000 ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m (17,600) (5,500) Titan 160/172 93.0% Cape Canaveral (USA) Vandenberg Titan II ??? 1,905 ??? 2/2 $43m (4,200) Titan III 14,515 ??? 5,000 2/3 $140m (32,000) (11,000) Titan IV/SRM 17,700 14,100 6,350 3/3 $154m-$227m (39,000) (31,100) (14,000) Titan IV/SRMU 21,640 18,600 8,620 0/0 $???m (47,700) (41,000) (19,000) Vostok 1358/1401 96.9% Baikonur (Russia) [650km] Plesetsk Vostok 4,730 1,840 ??? ?/149 $14m (10,400) (4,060) Soyuz 7,000 ??? ??? ?/944 $15m (15,400) Molniya 1500kg (3300 lbs) in ?/258 $???M Highly eliptical orbit Zenit 12/13 92.3% Baikonur (Russia) Zenit 13,740 11,380 4,300 12/13 $65m (30,300) (25,090) (9,480) " 5444,3,"From: jdresser@altair.tymnet.com (Jay Dresser) Subject: HELP! with Olivetti floppy Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: altair We are trying to connect an Olivetti XM4311 5"" floppy drive as the second drive on a Panasonic 286 machine. It seems to sort of talk to it (gets it spinning and stepping) but gives a ""Disk not ready"" error. There are two jumpers (which seem to work best open), a 3 position DIP switch, and a 8 position DIP switch. We don't know how to set the DIP switches and think that may be the problem. Any information, or advice (other than ""junk the stupid thing"" :) would be most appreciated, thanks. (email reply preferred). jdresser@tymnet.com " 5445,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Yet again, the escape sequences you are speaking about here are non standard and dangerous. In fact, an ANSI compliant sequence parser HANGS on them. Why are there such strange ESC sequences instead of compatible DSC ? -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 5446,15,"From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 6 For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 " 5447,16,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director's Statement...) Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) In article <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) said: >> *sigh* I just DON'T understand why they couldn't have waited Koresh&Co >> out. [jlpicard@austin.ibm.com] > > Uh, maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a > day to just sit and wait. Yeah. We don't want to spend too much money preserving lives, after all. Escpecially when they're all just a bunch of crazy fanatic cultists anyway, instead of normal people. [The above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm, but I'm too burned out right now (get it? ""burned out"" ha ha!) to tell if it's working. Look, folks, what David Koresh and his followers were was _broken_. It takes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this world and they didn't have enough of it and that wasn't their fault. So please stop dancing on their graves, okay?] -- William December Starr " 5448,10,"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Subject: Re: Get Real. Caps have no chance Originator: fmsalvat@c00532-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.162719@staff.dccs.upenn.edu>, filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) writes: ] Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat > the Pens are kidding themselves. The Pens may not loose > one game in the playoffs. Let's be honest. The Pens may not 'loose' one game as you put it, but they will definitely lose one game. Remember, the regular season doesn't mean much when it comes to playoff time. The Caps have a shot at least - the Flyers sure don't Frank Salvatore fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu " 5449,3,"From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Seagate 125MB IDE Jumper question Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Since the losers that sold me the hard disk for my computer are so generous, I need the info to set this drive from master to slave. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please reply via e-mail. Incidentally, avoid purchasing a computer from ACS in Endicott, NY. Jeff **************************************************************** * Four out of five electrons prefer holes for their mutual * * annhiliation needs. Boycott Sierra. Ignore anybody who * * purports to be a serious Windows user. Support new makers * * of hardware and software. Buy Canadian music. Quit smoking. * * Take up running. FM synthesis is the CGA of audio. * * JKS4675@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU * **************************************************************** " 5450,14,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13 In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: #The better question should be. #Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding #to support these kind of ongoing science missions. Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will changing them to a seperate agency help anything? -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 5451,12,From: sean@dip1.ee.uct.ac.za (Sean Borman) Subject: INFO WANTED : Graphics LCD displays Organization: University of Cape Town X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 Hi there Does anyone know how to get hold of data as well as stock of the LCD displays used in the NINTENDO GAMEBOY handheld TV game machines? Any information wouold be MOST appreciated. Please e-mail any replies to arawstorne@eleceng.uct.ac.za thanks Alex 5452,6,"From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger) Subject: Mostly non-computer items (Rochester area) Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 51 SWELL ITEMS FOR SALE - HARDLY ANY COMPUTER STUFF o LOTUS 1-2-3 Student Edition for DOS ...................... $10.00 This does just about everything that standard 1-2-3 Release 2.01 could do, but not as much of it. Worksheet size is limited to 64 columns by 256 rows, there is no translation facility (for importing data from other packages), and the Student Edition does not write files that can be accessed by Release 2.01. Includes manual, original distribution diskettes (5 1/4"" - 360K), and key board templates. o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00 This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5 & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior, doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting). These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that applies to other years as well. o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00 Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc. printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays, constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say) MUCH MORE! o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00 Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around 1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant piece of furniture, but too big (60"" long, 37"" tall, 24"" deep) for our little Cape Cod house. Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester area. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any of it on (or near) UofR Campus between now and graduation. Call or E-Mail: Paul or Mary (716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY) plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu " 5453,0,"From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 11 timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the >extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people >unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed millions of >his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! How can >anyone be worse than that? You're right. And David Koresh claimed to be a Christian. " 5454,9,"From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Michael) Subject: How to keep score like the officials? Nntp-Posting-Host: crux1.cit.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell University Lines: 15 Hello All, I'd like to learn how to keep score when I watch ball games using official scoring methods. Where can I get scoresheets and instructions on how to use them? I appreciate it, Mike ========================== | Hofstadter's Law: It always takes Michael Wilson | longer than you think, even if you idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu | take into account Hofstadter's Law. ========================== | -- Douglas Hofstadter " 5455,3,"From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: Re: how to search for bad memory chips. Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 37 rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) writes: steps deleted {> ... {> {> It's an interesting idea, but the worst-case data patterns developed to {> test magnetic media are totally different than the patterns used to detect {> common faults in memory chips. {> I was having major memory problems a few monthes ago. getting parity error - system halted error message in windows. I ran QA/PLUS, Check It, Diagnose, as well as several shareware memory checkers. I had a total of 8 meg SIMM in my system. these store bought/ shareware memory diagnostics either ran fine without errors or found an error at some address that I couldn't place on a memory chip. Out of exahperation I came up with the (now deleted) steps to find bad memory chips. I found 2 (moral : never buy memory stamped ""not for sensitive or critical applications"" on the back. anyway I did filter out all the bad memory chips using combinations of 4 of the 8 meg chips and creating a RAM drive to test on. Although it dodn't alleviate my parity error problems in windows. I did manage to find bad memory chips in this manner It has NEVER failed to find a bad chip for me. and the commercial/ shareware have always faild me either not finding the error or pointing to an addreww which I have no idea on what chip it is. p.s. man my typing stinks today and I don't feel like futzing around with this line editor. -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 5456,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr19.155551.227@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: >In article mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: >> >>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people the >>technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first >>time they try to go round a corner. Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way, and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course. I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed (off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been. I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew *that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry about proper handlebar technique. >countersteering. In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors >claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike >turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight >around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite >direction. (I admit I've never actually seen this.) I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the ""you are a sack of potatoes"" passenger speech, the instructor would steer the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch, I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 5457,5,"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.EDU (George Ferguson) Subject: Xarchie-2.0 available on export Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu [Please accept the following announcement for comp.windows.x.announce. -gf] A completely revamped version of the X11 browser interface to Archie, Xarchie, is now available as export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/xarchie-2.0.tar.Z For those not familar with Archie or Xarchie, I include part of the manpage intro: Xarchie is an X11 browser interface to the Archie Internet information system using the Prospero virtual filesystem protocol. Archie provides information about files available for ftp anywhere on the Internet; Xarchie displays this information using an easy-to-use, point-and-click interface. Xarchie allows you to further explore ftp sites by examining directories returned as query matches, and allows you to retrieve files located this way. Xarchie 2.0 has been extensively tested on R4, R5, and a variety of other flavors of X, and on a wide range of machines. A summary of the new features (from the README) follows: * Major improvements include: - Multiple selections allowed in browser for use with other new features (FWF MultiList widget). - Ability to expand directories in browser. - Real fully-integrated ftp implementation. - Ability to save and reload query results, as well as print them. - Ability to resort results, and sort results by user-definable pseudo-weights. - Online help browser. - Color resources, done so that they don't break mono displays. - FWF FileSelector widget for local file operations. - Makefile.dst's supplied for the imake-impaired. George -- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 " 5458,10,"From: kerryy@bnr.ca (Kerry Yackoboski) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Reply-To: kerryy@bnr.ca Organization: BNR Ottawa Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr15.184750.12889@ac.dal.ca>, brifre1@ac.dal.ca writes: |> I saw a mask once that had drawings of band-aids, presumably for every puck |> that goalie stopped with his face/head. I can't remember who it was or even |> if it was NHL (I see quite a few AHL games here). Gerry Cheevers used to have a mask that had stitches painted all over it. Ken Dryden's mask is a classic - an archetype of our time. " 5459,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>>Explain to me |> >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. |> >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... |> > |> >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there |> >would be nothing voluntary about it. |> |> See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant |> if it is ""voluntary."" Why do you think this? If you force me to do something, am I morally responsible for it? |> |> And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts. Well, make up your mind. Is it to be ""instinctive not to murder"" or not? |> |> >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other |> >>beings mimics theirs? |> > |> >You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the |> >same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying ""Pretty Polly"" |> >isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly. |> |> You are attaching too many things to the term ""moral,"" I think. |> Let's try this: is it ""good"" that animals of the same species |> don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? It's not even correct. Animals of the same species do kill one another. |> |> Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do |> is either right nor wrong? Sigh. I wonder how many times we have been round this loop. I think that instinctive bahaviour has no moral significance. I am quite prepared to believe that higher animals, such as primates, have the beginnings of a moral sense, since they seem to exhibit self-awareness. |> |> |> >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but |> >>they don't. |> > |> >They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly |> >this, but you seem to have a very short memory. |> |> Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some |> sort of mating ritual or whatnot. So what? Are you trying to say that some killing in animals has a moral significance and some does not? Is this your natural morality> |> |> >>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because |> >>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? |> > |> >I'm saying: |> > ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not |> > just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" |> > |> >It's right there in the posting you are replying to. |> |> Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What |> do you mean by ""consider?"" Can a small child be moral? How about |> a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does |> the being need to be self aware? Are you blind? What do you think that this sentence means? ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" What would that imply? |> |> What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of |> the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't |> you find the fact that they don't at all significant? I find the fact that they do to be significant. jon. " 5460,15,"From: jwindley@cheap.cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) Subject: Mormon temples Organization: University of Utah CS Dept Lines: 113 mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: | One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the | temple rituals secret. The ""so sacred it's secret"" explanation is a bit misleading. While there is a profound reverence for the temple endowment, there is no injunction against discussing the ceremony itself in public. But since public discussion is often irreverent, most Mormons would rather keep silent than have a cherished practice maligned. But there are certain elements of the ceremony which participants explicitly covenant not to reveal except in conjunction with the ceremony itself. | Granted, the Gnostic ""Christians"" | had their secret rituals, but these seem to have been taken entirely | from pagan pre-Christian mystery religions. There are other interpretations to Christian history in this matter. One must recall that most of what we know about the Gnostics was written by their enemies. Eusebius claims that Jesus imparted secret information to Peter, James, and John after His resurrection, and that those apostles transmitted that information to the rest of the Twelve (Eusebius, _Historia Ecclesiastica_ II 1:3-4). Irenaeus claims this information was passed on to the priests and bishops (_Against Heresies_ IV 33:8), but Eusebius disagrees. He claims the secret ceremonies of the Christian church perished with the apostles. Interestingly enough, Eusebius refers to the groups which we today call Gnostics as promulgators of a false gnosis (Eusebius, op. cit., III, 32:7-8). His gripe was not that thay professed *a* gnosis, but that they had the *wrong* one. Writings dealing with Jesus' post-resurrection teachings emphasize secrecy -- not so much a concealment as a policy of not teaching certain things indiscriminately. In one story, Simon Magus opens a dialog with Peter on the nature of God. Peter's response is ""You seem to me not to know what a father and a God is: But I could tell you both whence souls are, and when and how they were made; but it is not permitted to me now to disclose these things to you"" (_Clementine Recognitions_ II, 60). If any one theme underlies the _Recognitions_ it is the idea that certain doctrines are not to be idly taught, but can be had after a certain level of spiritual maturity is reached. Now one can approach this and other such evidence in many ways. I don't intend that everyone interpret Christian history as I do, but I believe that evidence exists (favorably interpreted, of course) of early Christian rites analogous to those practiced by Mormons today. | Neither New Testament | Christianity nor Biblical Judaism made a secret of their practices. But if Judaism and Christianity had such ceremonies, would you expect to read about them in public documents? One can search the Book of Mormon and other Mormon scripture and find almost no information on temple worship. Yes, you could establish that Mormons worship in temples, but you would probably be hard pressed to characterize that worship. On that basis, can we conclude that the Bible explains *all* practices which might have taken place, and that absence of such descriptions proves they did not exist? Mormon scholar Dr. Hugh Nibley offers us a list of scriptures from which I have taken a few: 1. ""It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given"" (Matt. 13:11). 2. ""All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given"" (Matt. 19:11). 3. ""I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now"" (John 16:12). 4. ""The time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father"" (John 16:25). 5. ""... unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"" (1 Cor. 3:1-2). 6. ""Many things ... I would not write with paper and ink; but I ... come unto you and speak face to face"" (2 Jn. 1:12). (Nibley, _Since Cumorah_, pp. 92-94) Again, these can also be interpreted many different ways. I believe they serve to show that not all doctrines which could have been taught were actually taught openly. | I have heard that Joseph Smith took the entire | practice (i.e. both the ritual and the secrecy surrounding the ritual) | from the Freemasons. Anybody in the know have any authoritative | information on whether or not this claim is true? Historically, Joseph Smith had been adiministering the temple endowment ceremony for nearly a year before joining the Freemasons. There is diary evidence which supports a claim that the rite did not change after Smith became a Mason. It can be argued that Smith had ample exposure to Masonic proceedings through the burlesque of his time and through his brother Hyrum (a Mason), though no specific connection has yet been established. My conversations with Masons (with respect to temple rite transcriptions which have appeared on the net) have led me to believe that the connection from Masonry to Mormonism is fairly tenuous. As our moderator notes, most of what was similar was removed in the recent revisions to the temple ceremony. I believe that critics who charge that Mormon rites were lifted from Freemasonry do not have adequate knowledge of the rites in question. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jay Windley * University of Utah * Salt Lake City jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5461,7,"From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Lines: 25 Distribution: world Reply-To: smith@ctron.com NNTP-Posting-Host: glinda.ctron.com In article , keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes: >I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up, >does anyone have any idea why they haven't ""bombed"" the Waco cult? Perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all testified that the BATF shot first, they they did not identify themselves before tossing in concussion grenades (not that anyone inside could have _heard_ such identification after being near a concussion grenade) and the announcement from the BATF that they have sealed the warrant under which they were operating - which was a _search_ warrant, by the way, _not_ an arrest warrant. In short, perhaps because the BATF is wildly out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a compound full of woman and children will not improve their position. There is a real chance that Koresh will be able to prove self-defense in court. That will leave - what? - four officers dead and no one to blame but the BATF. Followups directed to alt.activism, where the discussion has raged nearly as long as the seige, and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly as soon. Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask? - Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want, it is the freedom to do whatever we are able. " 5462,10,From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 8 It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time of the players involved. To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd... Gerald 5463,11,"From: koontzd@phobos.lrmsc.loral.com (David Koontz ) Subject: Spoofing Clipper Serial Number Distribution: usa Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers Lines: 35 Secrecy in Clipper Chip The serial number of the clipper chip is encrypted with the system key and transmitted as one part of a three part message. Presumably the protocol can be recovered (if by nothing else, differential analysis). Postulate if you will, a chip (or logic) sitting between the clipper chip and its communications channel. The purpose of this chip is twofold: 1) Transmit Channel The spoof chip XORs the 30 bit encrypted serial number with a secondary keying variable. This renders the serial number unrecoverable with just the system key 2) Recieve Channel The spoof chip XORs the incoming encrypted serial number with a secondary keying variable (assuming the serial number is necessary for local operation). This has the net result of hiding the serial number. This gets more interesting when the number of serial numbers issued becomes large, making it difficult to distinguish between valid serial numbers and a spoofed serial number. Without knowing the system key, you could lie about the serial number, but risk detection of the lie. IF you had the system key and the encryption algorithm you could successfully lie with a lower probability of detection by emulating the format of your own serial number. Makes you wonder whats being hidden here? Seems like the secrecy is to prevent you from lying about who you are. " 5464,15,"From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 23 In article , conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: > I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere > man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. It is just as Christ said about his return: ""Some will say, 'He is in the desert.' or some will say, 'He is in the wilderness.' But do not believe them. For as lightning flashes east to west so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."" { My paraphrase - I think the verse is somewhere in John } Jon ---------------- sig file broken.... please try later... ---------------- " 5465,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr16.171347.784@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >UPI Clarinet has just relayed a ""scoop"" from the Toronto Sun >(or was that Star? I like the Star myself ...) that Iron Mike >Keenan has come to an agreement with the New York Rangers for >next season. Interestingly, this comes the day after the Times >Sports had an editorial about how the Rangers need their own >Pat Riley ... who cares about what happens after next season? > The rumour was basically everywhere in Toronto based on reports that Keenan has told both San Jose and Philadelphia that he was no longer interested in pursuing further negotiations with either team. The Ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly. The Rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with ""weight"" and a proven record...and whom they know Messier respects. Gerald " 5466,4,"From: Mikael Fredriksson Subject: RE-Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? X-Mailer: TeleFinder (version 3.0) Organization: Mac Exchange BBS BBS +46-31-948290, FAX +46-31-948294 PL 3813,S-437 92 Lindome, Sweden Lines: 5 In article , johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes: |> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: |> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your |> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my |> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge |> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of |> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; op that worked was the ""Macintosh |> >Software"" loop (whatever that means). |> |> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get |> rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough |> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing |> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys |> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers |> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't |> format/mount/partition for A/UX. hat the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" even though there was no cartridge in the drive. --Mark t to format) I have this confirmed from Apple Computer in Sweden (I work for a Apple dealer as a service tech). We had problems that Quadras wanted to format a diskette or a Syquest when ther was nothing in the drive. This problem was fixed sytem 7.1 Mikael Fredriksson ------------------------------------------------- email: mikael_fredriksson@macexchange.se Mac Exchange BBS PL 3813 S-437 92 Lindome Sweden BBS +46-31-948290 (5 lines) FAX +46-31-948294 FIDO 2:203/211 " 5467,10,"From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca Subject: Re: Goalie masks Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 22 In article <93102@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: > > I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know > who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's > of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your > vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu > > Thanks for your time. I saw a mask once that had drawings of band-aids, presumably for every puck that goalie stopped with his face/head. I can't remember who it was or even if it was NHL (I see quite a few AHL games here). This is by far the funniest mask I've seen, and for me funny=cool > > -- > GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite > GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More > GO HORNETS! || > GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu Barfly " 5468,18,From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Wasn't it Tricky Dick who issued stern warnings to Bush & Clinton not to 'Lose Russia'? (a la 'Who lost China?') 5469,3,"From: lbyler@cup.hp.com (Larry Byler) Subject: Re: Problem with Maxtor 340Mb IDE drive Article-I.D.: cup.C533Lx.Ao3 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: hpmpec3c.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] First of all, thanks to those of you who responded, both here and via e-mail. The tips didn't pan out, but it was good hearing from you. Now, following up to my earlier post: [...] : Disk controller: Acculogic sIDE-3 2 hard/2 floppy IDE controller : Jumpers: All defaulted (shown as *): : Normal IRQ*/delayed IRQ Primary*/secondary floppy address : Single*/dual speed floppy Primary*/secondary IDE address : Precomp = 125ns*/187 ns IOCHRDY not driven*/IDE drive controls IOCHRDY [...] : Other cards: (didn't check brand) 2 Serial/1 Parallel adapter : Logitech Bus Mouse adapter : Roland MPU-401-compatible MIDI interface : Configured with default IRQ 2, mem address 0330 I opened up the box and removed all the ""other cards"" above. No help there. Then, not having anything better to try, I changed Normal IRQ to Delayed IRQ on the disk controller (didn't make any difference) and IOCHRDY_not_ driven to IDE_drive_controls_IOCHRDY (also had no effect). So I put everything back to the way it was and re-installed the cards. I then unplugged the floppy drive cable from the disk controller. Voila!, the PC booted from power up, although it seemed to take several seconds before the first access to the hard disk. Plug the floppy cable back to the controller and the original (non-boot) behavior returns. O.K., with this additional information, does anyone in netland have any words of wisdom for what's going on and how I should deal with it? -Larry ""still (un)plugging away"" Byler- " 5470,1,From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P) Subject: Pascal-Fractals Organization: State University of New York at Albany Thanks in advance Lines: 5 -- ||||||||||| ||||||||||| _|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_ jr0930@eve.albany.edu -|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||- jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet ||||||||||| GO HEAVY OR GO HOME ||||||||||| 5471,7,"From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged Distribution: usa Keywords: bad drivers Lines: 29 In article , zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: > >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good , > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. > !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!! > >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets > >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a > >position to cash in my chips, too. > > H.H. Mayo > > Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!! Just what the world needs, > another frustrated self appointed traffic cop. Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, I suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the bargain. If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!! ""Thank God for the Fourth of July, for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable load of fools"" Mark Twain " 5472,13,"From: jer@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (rathmann,janice e) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr19.171938.17930@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes: > In article <19671@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > >In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > >> > >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an > >>overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most > >>people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the > >>other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? > > > >There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the > >same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however. > > I recall reading/seeing that former baseball star Chris Chambliss' hitting > abilities were (in part) attributed to a combination of left-handedness & > right-eye dominance. I was part of a study a few years ago at the University of Arizona to see whether cross dominant individuals (those with a particular handedness but who had dominance in the opposite eye) were better hitters than those with same side dominance of hand and eye. I was picked from my softball class because I was cross dominant (right hand, left eye) which put me in a small minority (and the grad student was trying to get an equal number of cross dominant and same side dominant people). To control the study, she used a pitching machine - fast pitch. Since I was used to slow pitch, I didn't come close (actually I think I foul tipped a few) to hitting the ball. If there were a lot of people like me in her study (i.e., those who can't hit fast pitch, or are not used to hitting off a machine), I would seriously question the results of that study!! I think there have been some studies of major league players (across a fairly large cross section of players) to test whether eye dominance being the same or opposite side was ""better"" - but I don't know the results. (The woman who ran the study I was in said that there was a higher incidence of crossdominance in major leaguers than across the general population - but I'm not sure whether I'd believe her.) Janice Rathmann " 5473,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: Florida State University Lines: 11 hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: > Biblical prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical. For example, the virgin > prophecy of Isaiah also prophecied of Christ. How does this apply to the > book of Revelation in regard to the perterist view? Much of the OT prophecies have a double application: to the Jewish captivity, and to the end of time. But if Rev. is dated at AD96 its prophecies could not apply to the AD70 destructioin of Jerusalem. Darius " 5474,2,"From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das) Subject: overlapped window without a title bar Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 31 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com Hi, I have a simple question. Is it possible to create a OVERLAPPED THICKFRAME window without a title bar; ie (WS_OVERLAPPED | WS_THICKFRAME) & ~WS_CAPTION I don't seem to be able to get rid off the title bar. I have another question: I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc) The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings. I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes behild it's siblings. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Manu Please mail me at manu@oas.olivetti.com " 5475,19,"From: jvp4u@Virginia.EDU (Jeffery Vernon Parks) Subject: Re: Info about New Age! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 1 Suggestion: try ""Exposing the New Age"" by Douglas Groothuis. " 5476,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr17.053333.15696@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer writes: >... a high explosive Orion prototype flew (in the atmosphere) in San >Diego back in 1957 or 1958... I feel sure >that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to >see it. Has anyone out there seen it? The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and the film continuously repeating. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5477,11,"From: barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan Barrett) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.ee.und.ac.za In article , jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes: > Since the wiretap chip is being distributed internationally, > allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, > companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, > this is a world-wide issue. Please put DISTRIBUTION: WORLD on the > Distrubution: line. Thank you. No! Distribution keywords are case sensitive. What you want is Distribution: world or no Distribution line at all. ""WORLD"" in capital letters is wrong. --apb Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za " 5478,4,"From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett) Subject: CD-ROM for a quadra... Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Distribution: comp Lines: 17 would there be any problems with hooking up a Toshiba 3401 external CD-ROM drive to a 700? Ron ============================================================================== | 'Hey Jack the Ripper, | | won't you come on over and | | hook me up to the power lines of your love.' - Jethro Tull | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Ron Pritchett Internet: pritchet@ash.cs.scarolina.edu | | FidoNet: Ron Pritchett @ 1:376/74.0 | ============================================================================== " 5479,11,"From: bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Lines: 44 Nntp-Posting-Host: sandstorm >>For your application, what you can do is to encrypt the real-time clock >>value with a secret key. Well, almost.... If I only had to solve the problem for myself, and were willing to have to type in a second password (the secret key) whenever I logged in, it could work. However, I'm trying to create a solution that anyone can use, and which, once installed, is just as effortless to start up as the non-solution of just using xhost(1) to control access. I've got religeous problems with storing secret keys on multiuser computers. >For a good discussion of cryptographically ""good"" random number >generators, check out the draft-ietf-security-randomness-00.txt >Internet Draft, available at your local friendly internet drafts >repository. Thanks for the pointer! It was good reading, and I liked the idea of using several unrelated sources with a strong mixing function. However, unless I missed something, the only source they suggested (aside from a hardware RNG) that seems available, and unguessable by an intruder, when a Unix is fresh-booted, is I/O buffers related to network traffic. I believe my solution basically uses that strategy, without requiring me to reach into the kernel. >A reasonably source of randomness is the output of a cryptographic >hash function (e.g., MD5), when fed with a large amount of >more-or-less random data. For example, running MD5 on /dev/mem is a >slow, but random enough, source of random bits; there are bound to be >128 bits of entropy in the tens (or hundreds) of megabytes of data in >a modern workstation's memory, as a fair amount of them are system >timers, i/o buffers, etc. I heard about this solution, and it sounded good. Then I heard that folks were experiencing times of 30-60 seconds to run this, on reasonably-configured workstations. I'm not willing to add that much delay to someone's login process. My approach (etherfind|compress, skip 10K) takes a second or two to run. I'm considering writing the be-all and end-all of solutions, that launches the MD5, and simultaneously tries to suck bits off the net, and if the net should be sitting __SO__ idle that it can't get 10K after compression before MD5 finishes, use the MD5. This way I could have guaranteed good bits, and a deterministic upper bound on login time, and still have the common case of login take only a couple of extra seconds. -Bennett bet@sbi.com " 5480,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Yankee fears. Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 9 I'll tell youm all one thing. Steve howe and FARR are much better then the worst pitcher in yankee Pitching ___________________ WHO do you think I am talking about. I'll post the answers if you e-mail to me. Use reply. or post you're answers, but e-mailing them to me meaqns that I will post the final results. I have one particular horrid pitcher in mind. " 5481,16,"From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Article-I.D.: ns1.C5tEnu.112F Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. 1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at some time before the Feb. 28th raid? 2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. 3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the ""right"" course of action? And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the ""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. " 5482,5,"From: jbore@cosmos.shearson.com (Joe Bore) Subject: Re: iconize a running application? In-Reply-To: doomer@teal.csn.org's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 05:35:22 GMT Organization: Lehman Brothers Lines: 39 it doesnt matter what window mgr you running under, you can use the X routine: XIconfiyWindow(display, w, screen_number) Display *display; Window w; int screen_number; as in XiconifyWindow( XtDisplay(w), XtWindow(w), 0); does that perform what you want?? In article doomer@teal.csn.org (John Dumais) writes: Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Path: shearson.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!teal.csn.org!doomer From: doomer@teal.csn.org (John Dumais) Sender: news@csn.org (news) Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 05:35:22 GMT Lines: 8 I've been trying to figure a way to programmatically iconize an application running under a Motif window manager. I have tried several approaches includeing sending events to the application's border window, but to no avail? Anyone done this before? Thanks, doomer '85 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Bore | ""Life is Short...Code Hard"" jbore@Shearson.COM | ...!uunet!shearson.com!jbore| (212)464-3431, Beeper: (212)396-4248 | " 5483,6,"From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) Subject: Shawnee-on-Delaware (Poconos, PA) timeshare week for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Second week of January (prime ski season at one of the largest Poconos ski areas). Just north of Allentown. Condo sleeps 6-8 depending on how friendly you all are. Has hot tub, deck. Easy access to parking lot and shuttle to slopes (condo is a few miles from the slopes). Cost: $6000 OBRO, price based on what we paid for it (used, also) and current market. [RICHR] -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 5484,4,"From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Re: Thanks Apple: Free Ethernet on my C610! Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 12:50:55 GMT In article Gregory Nelson, gnelson@pion.rutgers.edu writes: > Oh, and the screen seems tojump in a wierd way on power-up. >I've seen this mentioned by others, so it must be a...feature... > Anyway, above all, it's fast. A great machine at a great price! Well, I saw a few posts on this and asumed that everyone is talking about the new 14"" display... mine does it to... kinda like when I would degauss my old 13"", and since the new one lacks this button, I assume that is what it is doing... anyone that knows I'd appreciate the info, but it doesn't worry me... -t " 5485,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Distribution: world,public Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr15.163317.20805@cs.nott.ac.uk> eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (C.Wainwright) writes: >In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >|> The authorities I am referring to is the authority of the world >|> Islamic community over itself. My point was simply that Islamic >|> law does apply to muslims wherever they are despite the fact that >|> Islamic law may not be enforcable in non-Islamic countries. >Muslims residing in the UK may decide to be 'tried' (or whatever) by the >Islamic community, but their rulings have no legal consequences in these >isles. It's not really their _decision_ to be tried. The rulings _do_ have legal consequences, but only in Islamic law and not in UK law (this should be obvious). Enforcing a judgment is distinct from the making of a judgment. Take for example the judgments of the World Court. This is an internationally recognized tribunal whose judgments often have no physical or economic effect but which _are_ important despite the fact that their judgments cannot be enforced >The person may be excommunicated (or similar) but if it decided to >mete out violent laws such as the fatwa then it would be breaking UK laws >itself, and the persons doing such would be liable to prosecution. Of course, have you read any of this thread before this post? > To ignore >the country's laws in preference to religious laws which are not indigenous >to the country in question is an absurd and arrogant notion. Of course, it is a sort of anarchism. Anarchism is explicitly against Islam. Thank you for your well reasoned response, but it is beside the points I've been making in this thread. Gregg " 5486,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Islamic marriage? In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 44 >DATE: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:11:49 GMT >FROM: F. Karner > >In article <1993Apr2.103237.4627@Cadence.COM>, mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes: >> In article karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) writes: >> > >> >Okay. So you want me to name names? There are obviously no official >> >records of these pseudo-marriages because they are performed for >> >convenience. What happens typically is that the woman is willing to move >> >in with her lover without any scruples or legal contracts to speak of. >> >The man is merely utilizing a loophole by entering into a temporary >> >religious ""marriage"" contract in order to have sex. Nobody complains, >> >nobody cares, nobody needs to know. >> > >> >Perhaps you should alert your imam. It could be that this practice is >> >far more widespread than you may think. Or maybe it takes 4 muslim men >> >to witness the penetration to decide if the practice exists! >> >-- >> > >> >> Again you astound me with the level of ignorance you display, Muslims >> are NOT allowed to enter temporary marriages, got that? There is >> no evidence for it it an outlawed practise so get your facts >> straight buddy. Give me references for it or just tell everyone you >> were lying. It is not a widespread as you may think (fantasise) in >> fact contrary to your fantasies it is not practised at all amongst >> Muslims. Did you miss my post on this topic with the quote from The Indonesian Handbook and Fred Rice's comments about temporary marriages? If so, I will be glad to repost them. Will you accept that it just may be a practice among some Muslims, if I do? Or will you continue to claim that we are all lying and that it is ""not practised at all amongst Muslims"". I don't think F. Karner has to tell everyone anything. Least of all that he is lying. Since you obviously know nothing about this practice, there is very little you can contribute to the discussion except to accuse everyone of lying. Perhaps it is your ignorance which is showing. Learn more about Islam. Learn more about Muslims. Open your eyes. Maybe you will also see some of the things the atheists see. " 5487,13,"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 29 In article <1r3ks8INNica@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes: >In article <1993Apr21.091844.4035@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >>> >>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? >> >>Not one, but two: >> >>Obesity in Europe 88, >>proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity >> >>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >> >Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive >behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) > >Brian I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 " 5488,9,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Keywords: Phillies Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 12 jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) writes: > P.S. In 1964, a single team out of 8 won the pennant; no divisions. Make that ten, not eight. The Mets and Astros joined the N.L. in 1962. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 5489,10,"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: UB Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr17.062622.25380@news.clarkson.edu> farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes: >In fact, the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate >in Adirondack. In Gm 6 of last yr's finals, an 8 legged creature was >hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref >Lance Roberts. It may have been passed to Toronto, but I've even seen an octopus at the Aud -- last year's Bruins-Sabres game. I knew all about the Detroit version, but seeing at the Aud was a bit puzzling. :-) -- Valerie Hammerl Birtday -(n)- An event when friends get hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu together, set your dessert on fire, then acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. " 5490,11,"From: tom_van_vleck@taligent.com (Tom Van Vleck) Subject: Re: looking for one-way (trap-door, password encryption, etc.) algorithms Organization: - Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Michael Levin wrote: > I am looking for references to algorithms which can be used for > password encryption. I.e., someone has a clear-text word, runs it > through the algorithm, and it becomes some other sequence of symbols. > I want this algorithm to have the property that it is a) next to > impossible to reverse, and b) would take too long to try all possible > words to see which one works (even by use of a high-speed computer). > Please send references or ideas to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu. The original one-way encryption I put into Multics about 1968 (as suggested by Joe Weizenbaum) was invertible. An Air Force tiger team demonstrated this to me in May 1973. I then asked an expert (who requested anonymity) what I should use instead; the expert's suggestion was to treat the 8-byte password as both key and data for the LUCIFER encryption algorithm, which is similar or identical to DES. This method or something stronger should take care of (a). Issue (b) is discussed in comp.security.misc: longer passwords and quality control on what users can choose as passwords are the common tactics. tom_vanvleck@taligent.com " 5491,1,"From: sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: -*- Whiting Corporation, Harvey, Illinois -*- X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 11 renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: : A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView. : Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post : it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes: : : CView has quite a number of bugs. The one you mention is perhaps the most : A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) Thanks! " 5492,16,"From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait) Subject: Re: NRA address? Organization: The University of Illinois Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu Keywords: NRA Waco RKBA In article <7307@pdxgate.UUCP>, barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) writes: > Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them > a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd > amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended. National Rifle Association 1600 Rhode Island Ave. NW Washington, DC 20036-3268 1-800-368-5714 (membership) -- | Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu | | University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 | | ""If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit | | training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war"" | " 5493,8,"From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: Hell-mets. Summary: Visual damage is NOT an indicator. Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes: > > In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says: > > > > > > > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better > >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit > >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a > >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might > >have some minor damage? > > == Wear the RF200. Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better > than no helmet or a poorly fitting one. I've had many scratches & bangs > which have been repaired plus I'm still confident of the protection the > helmet will continue to give me. Only when you actually see depressions > or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement. > -- This is not good advice. A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed getoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement. My head (helmeted) hit the pavement with a ""clunk"", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the paint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage. I called the helmet manufacturer and inquired about damage. They said that the way a fiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack. This is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a wider area. After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam liner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force. They told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination of the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or outside of the helmet. They suggested that I send them the helmet and they would inspect it (including X-raying). I did so. They sent back the helmet with a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would compromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection. (I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim prior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.) The bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity can be compromised with no visible signs. The only way to know for sure is to send it back and have it inspected. Note that some helmet manufacturers provide inspections services and some do not. Another point to consider when purchasing a lid. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young " 5494,7,"From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu (Rebelheart) Subject: ALASKA CAR SHOW News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC Keywords: Car Show, Peninsula Cruisers, Kenai, Alaska Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: R.E.B.E.L.H.E.A.R.T. Lines: 32 PENINSULA CRUISERS THIRD ANNUAL AUTOFAIRE WHAT: CAR SHOW (FOR ANY AND ALL TYPES OF VEHICLES INCLUDING PEDAL CARS) WHERE: KENAI MALL, KENAI, ALASKA WHEN: MAY 14, 15, & 16, 1993 WHO: PENINSULA CRUISERS CAR CLUB, KENAI, AK (907-283-4979) WHY: PROCEEDS OF THIS EVENT TO BENEFIT THE COOPER LANDING AMBULANCE CORPS. GENERAL: THIS CAR SHOW IS OPEN TO ALL TYPES OF CARS, TRUCKS, MOTORCYCLES, FACTORY AND MODIFIED, MILD TO WILD, ANTIQUE, SPECIAL INTERESTS, RACE, DRAG, MUDDERS, HI-PO, OR JUST PLAIN UGLY :) THIS IS A FUN EVENT, INTENDED FOR THE OCCASSIONAL GEAR-HEAD TO THE MOST SERIOUS GEAR-SLAMMER. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS MANY ENTRANTS AS POSSIBLE, BUT PLEASE CONTACT US FOR SPACE AVAILABILITY ( FIRST COME FIRST SERVE) P.S. ALL OUT OF TOWN ENTRANTS CAN STAY RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT THE KENAI MERRIT INN FOR A SPECIAL RATE OF $60 A NIGHT (SINGLE OR DOUBLE OCCUPANCY) CALL THE MERIT @ 907-283-6131 IF YOU'D LIKE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT THE ADDRESSES BELOW. Mel McKay----cant drive 55!!!!!!! & Rebelheart, a gorgeous 90 SuperCoupe Remember ....55 saves lives, 110 saves twice as many :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- = Rebelheart | = = |""Too old for some things... = = #define BITNET | Too young to know = = #define E-MAIL | which things."" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 5495,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) Subject: Bush's WI (was Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative Summary: BUSH'S wiretapping initiative News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 29 In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com>, blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes... > If you look through this newsgroup, you should be > able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative > for our computer networks and telephone systems. > > This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least > the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" > bill. I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for 6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative. > > I strongly urge you to begin considering your future. > I strongly urge you to get your application for a passport > in the mail soon. > > I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you > have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while > you are still able. > Have you? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5496,12,"From: avm1993@sigma.tamu.edu (MAMISHEV, ALEXANDER VALENTINO) Subject: digital voltmeter - how does it work? Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sigma.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hello, Let me introduce a problem: When I measure a sinusoidal wave (voltage) with a digital voltmeter, using AC mode, my output is an rms value (a peak value over 2 squared). / Right? / When I measure a square wave in the same mode (AC), my output is equal to a peak value, actually, to the upper flat boundary of the wave. I assumed, that a digital voltmeter makes some kind of integration of the input value, and divides it over the wave period. / Right?/ Now, I used it to measure the same square wave as above, but distorted by high-frequency harmonics. Ideally, output should be the same, but... The output value was only about 10% of the previous one! Why? What is the nature of this output value? What does the voltmeter actually measure? And what does it show? Related question (less important to me): What are advantages and disadvantages of digital voltmeters to compare with analog ones? Thank you for your attention, you could mail me your opinion at avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu or open a discussion here. I would appreciate either way. Alexander V. Mamishev ____________________________________________________________________________ Power System Automation Laboratory <> phone office (409) 845-4623 Department of Electrical Engineering <> phone home (409) 846-5850 Texas A&M University <> fax (409) 862-2282 College Station, TX 77843, USA <> Internet: avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5497,12,"From: acooney@netcom.com (Alan Cooney) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 48 I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and word has it that something similar is on its way here. Since we apparently don't have the sensor base you folks have, they're installing cameras at strategic points along the freeways (initial tests are going to be in the Santa Clara area I'm told), with the video being piped into a command center they're building somewhere in the East Bay. I'm not sure if frame grabbers or cheap labor will be used to interpret the data, but large multi-colored status displays will show the various routes using different colors to represent the various average speeds for each stretch of highway. An announcer will sit in front of the status 'wall', and will relay continuous verbal traffic status to those who want to receive it. They're apparently also looking into licensing a low-AM frequency to be dedicated to providing continuous audio from this system. In the mean time, they'll set up large incandescent display boards along the test stretch to provide commuters with data on traffic conditions up ahead. My understanding is that the system is subsidized as a pilot program, and information from it will be available free of charge. Perhaps the LA system is similarly free or provided at an obviously subsidized rate (read ""cheap""). We also have the traffic reports that are broadcast on the SAP audio channel of television channels 2 and 36. These are verbal reports, qualified with a identification tone to tell in-vehicle receivers like the 'Auto Talk' that the information coming next is applicable to a given area. In LA, they're probably using some other TV channels, but the concept is the same. Try setting your stereo TV or VCR to receive the SAP audio channel, and go station jumping to find out which one is broadcasting this information. I believe this program is also subsidized, making the in-vehicle receivers cheap to purchase (and without having to incur monthly fees to use it). Since the makers of these in-vehicle receivers don't have to pay for the broadcast (this may not be completely true), they likely have no investment in keeping the system up and running when the Cal Trans stuff hits the airwaves. You may have a nifty little TV audio receiver in your car, nothing more, when this happens. Perhaps a word to the wise...? ;) I think we'd all be interested in a summary post if you get more info on how the LA system is networked and paid for. Cheers, Alan " 5498,9,"From: jhunter@mta.ca (John Hunter) Subject: White Sox Mailing List? Reply-To: jhunter@mta.ca Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada Lines: 9 Hi Gang, I'd like to subscribe to the White Sox mailing list, if one exists. Can someone please e-mail me the address? Thanks alot, -John jhunter@mta.ca " 5499,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Keywords: The Detroit Red Wings - 6 ; The Toronto Maple Leafs - 3 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr20.032350.18885@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1qvos8$r78@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: > >> The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >>washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs. All you Toronto fans have now seen the >>power of the mighty Red Wing offense. Toronto's defense in no match for the >>Wing offense. As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out > >Did they move Probert back to defense? Why did I see him parking his ass >in front of Potvin all night? Somebody is going to have to discipline >Probert if the Leafs want to win the series. Perhaps a fresh Clark should >hit the ice at the end of a long Probert shift and straigten him out for >a while... > During the regular season, when the intensity is down, not many teams have forwards who will continually go and park themselves in front of the opposing teams net...and the inadequacy of the Leafs defense in this regard thus didn't matter...however, the playoffs are a different story...every good team is going to have players who are going to become potted plants in front of Potvin...and the Leafs relatively unphysical defensive core will finally be exposed as weak an inept. Hard work will go a long way during the regular season...almost to 100 points...and the Leafs deserve credit for that...but in the playoffs talent matters, because everyone begins working hard. Gerald " 5500,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: islamic genocide Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 21 > O.K., so pick former Yugoslavia instead and say their problems are caused > by communism, it doesn't really matter. But I guess religious leaders are > calling for an end to that, too, so it can't be religiously motivated. This > despite the fact that the Christians carve crosses in dead Muslims chests. > Maybe they just want land. Maybe its something else they want. Maybe the > cross carvings are just accidental. I don't know. Just looks suspicious. Most likely the tragic situation in Bosnia is a combination of ethnical and religious motives, where religion is just one attribute that separates the groups from each other. But I must agree that the sad saga in Bosnia is a terrible example of a case where religion is not helping, instead it is used as a weapon against other humans. And my sympathies are mostly on the Bosnian side, it looks like the Serbs are the oppressors, willing to use even Christianity as a weapon against their former friends. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5501,17,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > > Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation > patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and > two wounded. In ""retaliation"", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded > 8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli > government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is > necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!! > > Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every > Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral > bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli > government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. > > Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) I'm sure the Federal Bureau of Investigation (fbi.gov on the Internet) is going to *love* reading your incitement to murder. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL " 5502,8,"From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 21 In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: >>> You think your *average* dirt biker can jump >>>a 3 foot log? > >How about an 18"" log that is suspended about 18"" off of the ground? >For that matter, how about a 4"" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the >ground? Oh, ye of little imagination. You don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under! -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" " 5503,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: AMA Support Brady Bill Lines: 27 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1r044aINNh9f@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: >The following was sent to me by a friend of mine (a med student). It >originally appeared in a medical discussion list. > >--GUN CONTROL - The AMA expressed support for S. 414 and H.R. 1025 (the ""Brady >--Handgun Violence Prevention Act""). Citing its strong support for the ""Brady >--Bill"" in past Congresses, the AMA termed as ""particularly alarming"" violence >--associated with, and stemming from, the widespread and easy availability and >--use of firearms. The AMA proceeded to comment: ""While we recognize that a >--waiting period of 5 business days before a handgun purchase will not address >--all of the difficult problems that have made violence so prevalent in our >--society, we believe that it is a beginning and will save lives. Physicians >--are first-hand witnesses to the horrendous cost in human life being exacted >--by firearm violence. A reasonable waiting period before the purchase of a >--handgun is a protection that the American people deserve."" (Letters to >--Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum and Representative Charles E. Schumer; March 11, >--1993.) I wonder if the AMA has an exact listing of ""lives saved"" in Tennessee, California, and other waiting period states. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 5504,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 10 af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: >PPS...Am I giving you too many clues? Too many clues, not enough substance. You ask a lot of good questions, though, but they are questions *you* should be worried about, not me. I'm not the inerrantist here. Let me know when you are ready to get serious. dj " 5505,10,"From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) Subject: Re: Panther's President Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: teal In article <1993Apr20.180241.10263@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >The San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators are each on their second GM >already...I'd be willing to wager that both the Sharks and Senators >will probably see their 3rd GM's and perhaps their 4th, before we >see the Panthers second. Actually, fired-coach George Kingston was a third of the GM triumvirate. Now that the trio is now duo (Dean Lombardi and Chuck Grillo), the Sharks are already on their 3rd ""office of the GM"". And a 4th is likely to happen before September; they'll either add the new coach to the OofGM, or name a single GM. So your wager should be amended to read that Sharks are likely to have their 5th GM before the Panther's get their 2nd. Can't wait to see how the next season's NHL Guide and Record Book lists the GM history of the Sharks. Given the depth of next year's draft, the expansion draft rules, and the reputation of their GMs, Anaheim and Miami look pretty good as the first 90s expansion teams to win a Cup. San Jose and Ottawa have instability at the GM position, something that Philly, NYI, Edmonton, and Calgary did not have when they won their first Cups. Pittsburgh did, but they needed a quarter century. -- Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in rec.sport.hockey " 5506,12,"From: rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah) Subject: Re: electronic parts in NYC? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 23 In fritzm@panix.com (Fritz Mueller) writes: >I just moved to NYC and wondered if there are any electronics hackers >out there who could point me to places in NYC that sell individual >electronic components (switches, pots, transformers, caps, >... Try Cables and Chips ... let me dig out a reciept ... Here we are... Cables & Chips at 121 Fulton Street, that's near South Street Seaport and Wall Street. Phone is 212-619-3132 and 800-843-4117. However, when ordering there, be VERY exact or there's a good chance they'll screw up. Otherwise, they're pretty good, and they deliver too. Cheers, Rob -- [----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Robert S. Mah | Voice: 212-947-6507 | ""Every day an adventure, ] [ One Step Beyond | EMail: rmah@panix.com | every moment a challenge"" ] [----------------------------------------------------------------------] " 5507,13,"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 126 In article , noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >>In article davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) writes: > >>>Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, >>>a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something >>>to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly >>>allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? I have a lot of info about this disease. I am posting a small amount of it that I extracted. If more is required, e-mail me @ ls8139@gemini.albany.edu. Please, it takes me some time to upload it, so be advised, only request it if you *really* want it. here is some info from InfoTrac - Health Reference Center Also, check you local of univeristy library. They most likely have the InfoTrac cd-rom this info was taken from...... ==================================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS !Dictionary Definition 1. Mosby's Medical and Nursing Dictionary, 2nd edition COPYRIGHT 1986 The C.V. Mosby Company Candida albicans ------------------------------------------------------- A common, budding, yeastlike, microscopic fungal organism normally present in the mucous membranes of the mouth, intestinal tract, and vagina and on the skin of healthy people. Under certain circumstances, it may cause superficial infections of the mouth or vagina and, less commonly, serious invasive systemic infection and toxic reaction. See also candidiasis. ============================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 THE MATERIAL CONTAINED IN Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 IS PROVIDED ONLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL ADVICE OR INSTRUCTION. CONSULT YOUR HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR ADVICE RELATING TO A MEDICAL PROBLEM OR CONDITION. Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS 1. Yogurt cure for Candida. (acidophilus) il v22 East West Natural Health July-August '92 p17(1) TEXT AVAILABLE TEXT COPYRIGHT East West Partners 1992 Another folk remedy receives the blessing of medical study. Researchers have found that eating a cup of yogurt a day drastically reduces a woman's chances of getting vaginal candida, a yeast infection. For the year-long study, researchers at Long Island Jewish Medical Center in New Hyde Park, New York, recruited 13 women who suffered from chronic yeast infections. For the first 6 months, the women each day ate 8 ounces of yogurt containing Lactobacillus acidophilus. For the second 6 months, the women did not eat yogurt. The researchers examined the women each month and found that incidents of colonization and infection were significantly lower during the period when the women ate yogurt. The fungus Candida albicans can live in the body without doing harm. It is an overproliferation of the fungus that leads to infection. The researchers concluded that the L. acidophilus bacteria found in some brands of yogurt retard overgrowth of the fungus. Streptococcus thermophilus and L. bulgaricus are the two bacteria most commonly used in commercial yogurt production. Neither one appears to exert a protective effect against Candida albicans, however. Women who want to try yogurt as a preventive measure should choose a brand that lists acidophilus in its contents. --- end --- =================================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 THE MATERIAL CONTAINED IN Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 IS PROVIDED ONLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL ADVICE OR INSTRUCTION. CONSULT YOUR HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR ADVICE RELATING TO A MEDICAL PROBLEM OR CONDITION. Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS 1. Candida (Monilia). (Infections Caused by Fungi) (Infectious Diseases) by Harold C. Neu The Columbia Univ. Coll. of Physicians & Surgeons Complete Home Medical Guide Edition 2 '89 p472(1) TEXT AVAILABLE TEXT COPYRIGHT Crown Publishers Inc. 1989 Candida (Monilia) This disease is usually caused by Candida albicans, a fungus that we all carry at one time or another. In some circumstances, though, the organisms proliferate, producing symptomatic infection of the mouth, intestines, vagina, or skin. When the mouth or vagina are infected, the disease is commonly called thrush. Vaginitis caused by Candida often afflicts women on birth control pills or antibiotics. There is itching and a white, cheesy discharge. Among narcotic addicts, Candida infections can lead to heart valve inflammation. Diagnosis of Candida infections is confirmed by cultures and blood tests. Treatment can be with amphotericin B or orally with ketoconazole. There is no evidence that Candida in the intestine of normal individuals leads to disease. All people at one time or another have Candida in their intestines. Claims for any benefit from special diets or chronic antifungal agents is not based on any solid evidence. --- end --- ========================== I hope this is informative. Larry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT... Tonight's special guest: Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 5508,2,"From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) Subject: Re^2: ATM Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL Lines: 35 rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) writes: > 1. TrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1 > equivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware > that TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not > (they are encrypted). This isn't entirely true. It is true that TrueType fonts are larger than their ATM counterparts, but ATM fonts *do* get minimal compression. Running Stacker 3.0 report generator, I get: File Type: Compression Ratio: ------------- ------------------ *.TTF (TrueType) 1.4:1.0 *.PFB (ATM) 1.1:1.0 *.PFM (ATM Metric) 11.8:1.0 Although the metric files are small, they compress quite largely. And, as you can see, even the regular .PFB files have *some* compression. So, doing the math on one such comparitive font file: TTF Times = 83260 bytes/1.4 = 59471 bytes (compressed) PFB Times = 51549 bytes/1.1 = 46862 bytes (Compressed) You still win out, even if the ATM Times font *isn't* compressed. Your mileage may vary depending on compression program. -- ""When heroes go down, They go down fast || John M. Grohol, M.S. So don't expect any time to || Center for Psychological Studies Equivocate the past."" || Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL - suzanne vega || grohol@novavax.nova.edu " 5509,7,"From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) Subject: Re: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA Distribution: usa Lines: 26 In article <1qvrnpINNnid@shelley.u.washington.edu> yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) writes: >Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! >Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can >get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence >history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel >of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset >to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before >replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference >comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The >dealer never told me anything about that important story. > >I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this >is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments >will be appreciated. Thanks. Something that happened in South AFrica about a year ago: A dealer sold a Mercedes with an odometer reading of 150K kilometers to a lady. Turned out that the actual reading should have been 160K. Court case followed because lady said she wouldn't have bought a car with that much km's. Dealer found quilty, fined and had to take back the car. I think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous owner. Take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something. - gerrit " 5510,0,"From: rm03@ic.ac.uk (Mr R. Mellish) Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? Organization: Imperial College Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.31.80.14 In article <199304041750.AA17104@kepler.unh.edu> dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: > > > > Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about >it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts >on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom >stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort >of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. [most of post deleted] > > Please respond as soon as possible. I'd like these religious postings to >stop, NOW! > > >Thanks, > > Dana > > > There is an easy way out.... Post the flyers on the stall doors, but add at the bottom, in nice large capitals, EMERGENCY TOILET PAPER :) -- ------ Robert Mellish, FOG, IC, UK ------ Email: r.mellish@ic.ac.uk Net: rm03@sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk IRC: HobNob ------ and also the mrs joyful prize for rafia work. ------ " 5511,1,"From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen) Subject: To yhe one who wants fonts in POV/POLYRAY/VIVID Lines: 28 Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 To everyone who wants fonts in Vivid/POV/Polyray. The Borland BGI font converter is VVFONT18.ZIP. This program can be found on FTP.INFORMATIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE directory pub/dkbtrace/utils. Also WUARCHIVE has mirrored this site (directory graphics/graphics/mirrors/ ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/pub/dkbtrace/utils. There are more nice utilities present in this directory. A new version of Polyray 1.6 (for those asked for it) can be found on the same sites but in the directory INCOMING instead of UTILS (PLY16386). Also in this directory POVSHELL and PV3DV060 could be found. Have a nive raytrace time. Peter /*---------*\*/*-------------------------------------------*\ *| ____/| *|* PETER.VANDERVEEN@VISSER.EL.WAU.NL |* *| \ o.O| *|* Department of Genetics |* *| =(_)= *|* Agricultural University |* *| U *|* Wageningen, The Netherlands |* \*---------*/*\*-------------------------------------------*/ " 5512,6,From: creol@netcom.com Subject: Intel memory board for sale Article-I.D.: netcom.creolC51GrD.Ln6 Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 8 I have an Intel Above Board (16 bit) with 2 megs of ram that I would like to sell ASAP. Please email me offers if interested! Thanks Fred 5513,10,"From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 38 Everybody. Please send me your predictions for the Stanley Cup Playoffs! I want to see who people think will win.!!!!!!! Please Send them in this format, or something comparable: 1. Winner of Buffalo-Boston 2. Winner of Montreal-Quebec 3. Winner of Pittsburgh-New York 4. Winner of New Jersey-Washington 5. Winner of Chicago-(Minnesota/St.Louis) 6. Winner of Toronto-Detroit 7. Winner of Vancouver-Winnipeg 8. Winner of Calgary-Los Angeles 9. Winner of Adams Division (1-2 above) 10. Winner of Patrick Division (3-4 above) 11. Winner of Norris Division (5-6 above) 12. Winner of Smythe Division (7-8 above) 13. Winner of Wales Conference (9-10 above) 14. Winner of Campbell Conference (11-12 above) 15. Winner of Stanley Cup (13-14 above) I will summarize the predictions, and see who is the biggest INTERNET GURU PREDICTING GUY/GAL. Send entries to Richard Madison rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca PS: I will send my entries to one of you folks so you know when I say I won, that I won!!!!! :) " 5514,5,"From: garym@ie.utoronto.ca (Gary Murphy) Subject: X on Amiga 4000? Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 12 I'm new to the hardware and with a mandate to port some X-based stereo-video software --- does anyone know of or have experience with X on Amiga machines? If I can retain the X event handling, it would ease my plight considerably, and if I can keep all the Motif bits, so much the better! -- Gary Lawrence Murphy ---------------- garym@virtual.rose.utoronto.ca University of Toronto, Industrial Eng Dept fax: (416) 971-1373 4 Taddle Creek Rd, Toronto, Ont M5S 1A4 voice: (416) 978-3776 The true destination is always just here, now ---------------------- " 5515,16,"From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: The University of Illinois Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu In article <1r24bv$dif@apple.com>, earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) writes: > >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a > >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly > >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) > >... It is silly to make this statement. Fifteen minutes after the fire started, the ""official word"" out of FBI headquaters in DC was that the DV's committed suicide. It would seem logical that the lantern story has more credibility. You can't even to pretend to know for sure what happened... although Clinton is doing just that. -- | Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu | | University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 | | Impeach Klinton | " 5516,4,"From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 9 I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh Software"" loop (whatever that means). --Mark " 5517,4,"From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller) Subject: RESULTS of Mathematica Speed Tests!! Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 84 Well, here are the results of the Mathematica test which I posted to this newsgroup. The ""test"" was the following command: >Plot3D[((-2*9000)/(2*3.1416*((x-5000)^2+(y-8000)^2+ >81000000)^1.5))+((-3*9000)/(2*3.1416*((x-10000)^2+ >(y-1000)^2+81000000)^1.5))+((4*2000)/(2*3.1416* >((x-7000)^2+(y-10000)^2+4000000)^1.5)), >{x,-5500,19500},{y,-5500,19500},PlotPoints->50] I was just curious how fast the plot command would be executed on various Macintosh machines as well as other personal computers and workstations. The results are posted below: Machine System Math vers. # of trials time, min PB 170 7.0.0 with 2.1 2 2:08 tuneup/8MB RAM/5MB for Mathematica DEC 5000 Ultrix v4.2a 2.1 for 1 0:25 DEC RISC IIsi 7.1/cache@96MB 1.2f33Enh. 1 4:30 25MHz/5MB RAM/ 3MB for Math./ w/ 68882 C650 7.1/8MB RAM 2 0:32 Q800 8MB/Cache@384/ 1.2 1:01 4MB for Math. Sparc SunOS4.1.3 0:14 Station 40MB RAM SGI Iris/4D R3000 RISC <0:01 processor version Sparc SunOS4.1.2 2.1 0:26 Station2 IIsi 7.1 3:15 NeXT NeXTSTEP 2.1 1.2 2:38 Cube 68030 based/ w/ coprocessor NeXT NeXTSTEP 3.0 1.2 5(ave) 0:52 Cube 68040/25MHz/ 20 MB RAM IIsi 17MB/8MB for 2.102 Enha 3:15 Math. w/ 68882 NeXT 16MB RAM/ 1 0:37 25 MHz 040/ Workspace Manager 2.1 Funny how the IIsi running at 25 MHz is slower than other equivalent machines, lots slower in fact. Perhaps the version of Mathematica makes a difference or the fact that not much RAM was allocated. Another interesting thing is how fast the SGI did it. Wow. Basically, though, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from this data. It seems that Mathematica's speed is dependant on a lot of variables. I was just curious how different machines would measure up. Well, if you have any questions or if I forgot something, just drop me a line at ""cmmiller@iastate.edu"". Chad PS If the spacing of the above table doesn't come out right on your machine, tell me and I'll mail you a copy of this in a binhexed Word 5.1 document. " 5518,0,"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 36 In kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1qj9gq$mg7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Is good logic *better* than bad? Is good science better than bad? > By definition. > great - good - okay - bad - horrible > << better > worse >> > Good is defined as being better than bad. >--- How do we come up with this setup? Is this subjective, if enough people agreed we could switch the order? Isn't this defining one unknown thing by another? That is, good is that which is better than bad, and bad is that which is worse than good? Circular? MAC > Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. > -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 5519,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Where do U look?? Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr2.170955.1749@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: |> I might add that collecting last year's data books (or even ones two years out |> of date) is usually pretty cheap, and has benefits besides: You usually DON'T |> want to base a design on a brand-new chip. There may be bugs; availability may |> be limited; the data sheets may be missing critical information that will show |> up in the ap notes in next year's data books. Kinda like buying Version 1.0 of |> a major new software package: Sometimes you get lucky, but don't count on it. There are two more reasons to save old databooks and then beyond two years--obsoleted parts and better application notes and tutorials. When a part is dropped from future production planning, such as the National MM-series white noise generators, camera sync generators, etc., it will disappear from current databooks although it still may be produced for a short time (or be available from stock somewhere). Now, if you have some old plans calling for such a device, or you have a dead gadget on your workbench and it has such a part in it, you'll know the functions so you can troubleshoot and substitute as necessary. The old GE thyristor data books contain real good tutorials on SCR and triac applications that are not found elsewhere, for example. |> > In summary, read. READ! ****READ!!!**** That's how you'll know what to |> > design in, which parts to use, and how to solve the intractable problem |> > that your boss has presented you with. |> |> It helps to have a prodigous memory for details... Here, here!... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 5520,6,"From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu) Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale - Repost Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Hi, Since the original buyer found out he couldn't use this modem for his Mac (I beleive I mentioned that it's an internal in my former post), the modem is re-available now. This modem is SupraFaxModem V.32bis. If interested, please e-mail. Thanks! PS: I am sorry I already lost those e-mails stated interested in this modem. If you all are still interested, please e-mail me again. " 5521,10,"From: njdevils@IASTATE.EDU (Cire Y. Trehguad) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Reply-To: njdevils@IASTATE.EDU (Cire Y. Trehguad) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 18 Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: : Michael Collingridge writes: : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. ; : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to : Pittsburgh? And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens recently... Caleb And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske Man I hated that trade! " 5522,14,"From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 34 > > Can these questions be answered for a previous > > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting? > Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files) > p(au) 3.424346 > e 0.151899 > i 1.0988 > cap_omega(0) 243.5652 > W(0) 231.1607 > epoch 1977.04110 Thanks for the information! I assume p is the semi-major axis and e the eccentricity. The peri- helion and aphelion are then given by p(1-e) and p(1+e), i.e., about 2.90 and 3.95 AU respectively. For Jupiter, they are 4.95 and 5.45 AU. If 1977 was after the temporary capture, this means that the comet ended up in an orbit that comes no closer than 1 AU to Jupiter's -- which I take to be a rough indication of how far from Jupiter it could get under Jupiter's influence. > Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well? -- Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Remember the Golgafrinchans"" utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- Pete Granger This article is in the public domain. " 5523,4,"From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) Subject: What is ""ROM accelerated video""? Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr15.182206.12714 Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR Lines: 11 In the MacUser article on the new centris and quadra machines mentioned that the C650 and the Q800, and not the C610, had ROM accelerated video. It didn't seem to make much difference in their ""benchmark"" test. What is it? I don't recall seeing it in Dale Adams post. -Erik Speckman P.S. could someone tell me if Dale's posts on video and memory are archived somewhere. " 5524,4,"From: Peter Hansen Subject: Re: Help: 2 internal HDs in Mac II? X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 11:17:54 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 Organization: BNR X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr1.054820.3942@siemens.co.at> Kurt Netzer, kurt@siemens.co.at writes: >Is it possible to install a 2nd 3 1/2"" 100 MB HD in a Mac II with a >5 1/4"" 40 MB Qunatum HD? >Can i us a 50 pin cable with 3 connectors for the internal motherboard >SCSI-Connector and the 2 SCSI-HD Connectors. The first HD is'nt terminated >the second will be. >Whats about the power supply. Where can i connect a 3 1/2"" AMP-Connector >to supply my 3 1/2"" HD? It is very possible to connect another internal hard disk in any macintosh if you can find the space to put it. I have a IIsi that came with a Quantum 80 meg drive. When I ran into space problems, I slapped in another 40 meg quantum that I had sitting on a shelf. Here is what I did. First off, I was concerned about space. Since both drives are Quantum quarter height drives, I finally decided that the logical place for them was stacked one upon the other. Fine, they fit snugly. (I have not had a problem with heat yet, and these drives have been running together for over two months. The next problem was connecting the drive. If you have a spare internal hard disk power cable as I did, then half of your troubles are over. just splice in the extra cable so that you get one square motherboard connector and two hard disk power connectors. If you don't have a spare cable, you will have to buy the wires and connectors which can be found in any good electronics store for about $10. I would suggest properly soldering/heatshrinking the connections to reduce the possibility of shorts or bad connections. Next, you need a ribbon cable connection. Again, I had a spare hard disk ribbon cable, and I wanted to be careful in case this didn't word so what I did was purchase a crimp on 50 pin cable connector that gave me another male connector in the middle of my spare cable. The part cost $10 again, and is easily attached with any good wood vice. The theory behind using a crimp on connector is that if this doesn't work, my original cable is not damaged, and I can go back to the original setup. Having done all that, I couldn't be bothered to check the dev notes for power consumption so I plugged it in and it works like a charm to this day. In a mac II, everything should work the same. Be careful with the ID's of the drive, and ensure that the terminating resistors on both drives are intact. I did not try this without the terminating resistors but it seemed logical that if I am splitting the SCSI chain, that the signal should be terminated at all the ends. Let me know if you have any more questions. Peter Hansen Bell Northern Research pgmoffc@BNR.ca " 5525,15,"From: mtf@vipunen.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 40 In atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > Hello, > I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the >newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. >Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy... >1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. More correctly: when people die, they cease to exist. >2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death > is unfair. > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. The idea I've gotten is that to christians, Hell is -- like Heaven -- afterlife; i.e, you don't cease to exist, but are subjected to eternal torture (well, that's the orthodox idea anyway; ""eternal death"" if you prefer that). Atheists don't believe in any sort of afterlife. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think >that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus >with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these state- >ments as metaphorical. I think it's safe to say that Hell was never intended metaphorical. Certainly not the equivalent of ceasing to exist. Some christian concepts are indeed metaphors, but your idea of Hell is a 20th century interpretation. It is, of course, nice to see that even christianity might evolve to fit the worldview of modern age, but I fear the church will not accept it. Understandably, per- haps, because if you accept that Hell is a metaphor, then you're one step closer to turning God into a metaphor as well. -- Antti Lahelma | mtf@saha.hut.fi | GNOTHI SEAUTON Lehtotie 3 -O- stel@purkki.apu.fi -*- ====== ======= 00630 HELSINKI | <> | TUNNE ITSESI " 5526,2,"From: WKWINKEL@ibm.rz.uni-passau.de Subject: Re:color or Monochrome? Organization: University of Passau - Germany Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm.rz.uni-passau.de Walther, I'd have a look at the maximum resolution the combination of the video card and screen would have without flickering. I'd only suggest using the color screen if it does 800*600 without flickering. If this is not too small for your tastes at a 14"".... Personally I'd prefer the mono-screen as I always have quite a few windows open. If you only run one program at a time or rarely switch maybe the color 'surplus' is worth trading in the smaller size. If you want to develop programs you will always have to check the colors. I used a 14"" mono screen (worst of both worlds) and was surprised how the colors looked I choose on a color screen. Regards, Olaf Winkelhake " 5527,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 39 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: |> Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there: |> |> 1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr. |> Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting |> water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory). Yes it is, as has been evidenced by the previous two stages of withdrawal from the area and by the reductions in troops. Currently the troops are kept at a level consistent with light and armored patrols. No permanent installations have been built in the area, nor are any planned. As to the prodigal ""water question"", you can continue to waste your time looking for non-existent proof, or you can accept the testimony of people here, some Lebanese, who have acknowledged that they know of no evidence for these allegations. |> 2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan |> temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so |> many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary, |> let's hear it. It depends which of those territories you refer to. In general, settlers were moved into the territories because at the time, in the context of the situations, it seemed the logical move. This is not to say that views don't change or that mistakes are not made. Currently, I would say that the only ""disputed territory"" that does not appear to be temporary is that of Eastern and northern Jerusalem. |> Steve |> -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 5528,14,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu If gamma ray bursters are extragalactic, would absorption from the galaxy be expected? How transparent is the galactic core to gamma rays? How much energy does a burster put out? I know energy depends on distance, which is unknown. An answer of the form _X_ ergs per megaparsec^2 is OK. -- John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) " 5529,17,"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March Originator: hasan@fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 206 Sorry guys for this long article, but in fact it is mostly quotings.. In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> |>when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that |> |>the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, |> |>and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on |> |>the ground of occupied territories. |> |> |> >No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance |> >of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals |> >right |> |> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the |> |> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have |> |> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. |> |> |> First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens |> in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation |> of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically |> revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an |> undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. |> |> Ok, let me re-phrase the question. I have repeatedly asked you if the |> Israelis have less human rights than the palestinians, well, if you just waited for 5 more lines you would have read my statement ""Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but ..."" |> and if so, why. because they belong to the human race, or do you disagree on that too ? |> From your posting (where you did not directly adress my question) I inferred |> that you thought so. Together with the above statement I then assumed that the |> reason was the actions of the state of Israel. Re: your statement of |> occupation: I'd like you to define the term, so I don't have to repeat this |> 'drag the answer out of hasan' procedure more than neccesary. |> |> Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to |> protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing |> Palestinean human rights. |> |> I'm sorry, but the above sentence does not make sense. Please rephrase it. I donot know about you, but it makes full sense to me. Israelis are being killed because Israel is occupying , Let israel withdraw and israeli blood will be saved. It isNOT the palestineans who undermined the right of life of israelis, but it is israel which occupied and exposed the life of its citizens to the the unconcluded war of 1967 ! More generally, the violence in the occupied terretories is part of the intifada, and i had previously posted a ""long"" article about this issue, whom i finished by an open question: Suppose the Intifada stops, What is the motive for Israel to withdraw ? donot tell hope for peace and this bullshit. Everybody in the world looks and hopes for peace, so why isnot there any. hope of peace is necessary but not sufficient motive. |> |> If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then |> |> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? |> |> |> Because not all states are like Israel,as oppressive,as ignorant,or as tyrant. |> |> Oh, ok. So how about the human rights of the Syrians, Iraqis and others? |> Does the name of Hama sound familiar? Or how about the kurds in Iraq and |> Turkey? |> How about the Same in Sweden (Ok, maybe a bit farfetched..) the Russians in |> the Baltic states or the Moslem in the old USSR and Yugoslavia? |> Do the serbs have any human rights remainaing, according to you? As for the Arabian countries, their problems are an Arabian concern. the Arabian people can deal with it themselves, if the west doesnot intervene. As for Serbs, I donot think that those FUCKED UP RAPISTS (excuse my language but it really hurts as much if I was in Bosnia itself) areNOT humans. Those surely came from outer space or something. No human can allow himself to see such attrocities than to participate in. |> |> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? |> |> |> |> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because |> |> any system can solve it. |> |> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). |> |> |> |> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> |> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that |> |> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your |> |> reply. |> |> So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. |> (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). |> |> No, I'm agreeing that to just kick all the Palestinians out of Israel proper |> would probably lead to disaster for both parties. If that's what you refer |> to as the 'Israeli solution' then so be it. Ok. |> |> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) |> |> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: |> |> ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both |> |> peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal |> |> ^^^ ^^^ |> |> of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. |> |> The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of |> |> the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than |> |> to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to |> |> transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be |> |> left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to |> |> absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" |> |> DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 |> |> (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) |> |> |> |> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to |> |> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS |> |> charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd |> |> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to |> |> a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he |> |> wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have |> |> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will |> |> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff] |> |> >Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment |> >is full with men like Joseph Weitz. |> |> Oh? Have you met with them personally, to read their diaries? Fascinating. |> What do you _do_ for a living? |> |> |> ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). |> |> |> |> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the |> |> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! |> |> |> |> I think that is fair enough . |> |> |> |> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve |> |> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. |> |> Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): |> any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would |> resolve it JUSTLY. |> |> An unjust solution would be a non-solution, per definition, no? My definition is the same as yours, but one has to look into the world politics. In politics, a ""solution"" doesNOT imply ""JUST solution"". |> You said the following: |> |> For all A it holds that A have property B. |> There exists an A such that property B does not hold. |> |> Thus, either or both statements must be false. |> |> |> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. |> |> >You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then |> >you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. |> >Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom. |> |> I was merely pointing out a not so small flaw in your reasoning. |> Since you claim to be logical I felt it best to point this out |> before you started using your statements to prove a point or so. |> Am I then to assume you are not logical? It seems that it was problem in the definition of ""solution"". I think a solution must be just, because otherwise it would never be lasting. However, when politicians say a solution, they donot mean a just solution but just a solution. |> |> ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". |> |> -Rabbi Shoham. |> |> |> |> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are |> |> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. |> |> >Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , |> >if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, |> >well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said |> >""Yes, Zionism is racism"". |> >If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. |> >If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in |> >condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. |> |> Any quote can be misused, especially when used to stereotype all |> individuals by a statement of an individual. If you use the same |> methods that you credit 'Zionists' with, then where does that place you? |> |> Oh, by the way, I'd advice you not to assume anything about my 'loyalties'. |> I will and am condemning acts I find vile and inhuman, but I'll try as |> long as I can not to assume those acts are by a whole people. |> By zionist above do you mean the state of Israel, the government of Israel, |> the leaders of Israel (political and/or religious) or the jews in |> general? If you feel the need to condemn, condemn those responsible |> instead. How would you feel if we started condemning you personally |> based on the bombings in Egypt? |> |> Jonas Flygare, Hasan " 5530,14,"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca Lines: 15 In article nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: > >Would they buy it, given that it's a _lot_ more expensive, and not >much more impressive, than putting a large set of several-km >inflatable billboards in LEO (or in GEO, visible 24 hours from your >key growth market). I'll do _that_ for only $5bn (and the changes of >identity). I've heard of sillier things, like a well-known utility company wanting to buy an 'automated' boiler-cleaning system which uses as many operators as the old system, and which rumour has it costs three million more per unit. Automation is more 'efficient' although by what scale they are not saying... James Nicoll " 5531,8,"From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America? Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 17 : In article <7APR93.20040687@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: : >I just got to thinking: why don't manufacturers still make bikes with turbos? : > etc .... Because they add a lot of expense and complexity and make for a less reliable and less controllable bike. As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica Ducati. -- David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000 ""This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."" " 5532,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 34 From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: JB> RR> ""I don't doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with JB> RR> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%, JB> RR> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional JB> RR> medicine?"" JB> JB> Because most the the time, closer to 90% in my experience, there is no JB> substance to the 'alternative' intervention beyond the good intentions of the JB> practitioner, which in itself is quite therapeutic. [.......] JB> JB> John Badanes, DC, CA JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Well, if that's the case in YOUR practice, I have a hard time figuring out how you even managed to make it into the bottom half of your class, or did you create your diplomas with crayons? If someone runs a medical practice with only a 10% success rate, they either tackle problems for which they are not qualified to treat, or they have no conscience and are only in business for fraudulent purposes. OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984 ran the heading: ""Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by Drugs or Surgery,"" which has been echoed by several other reports. No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since the 20% magic of the ""placebo effect"" would award alternative practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine... --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: Purranoia: the fear your cat is up to something RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 5533,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Their eyes gouged out by fascist Armenians: Armenian Barbarism. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 31 Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan : ""Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off... 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/3/92 Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova: ""Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting at them when they sought to recover the bodies."" Fred Hiatt The Washington Post, 3/3/92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5534,3,"From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) Subject: Winjet accelerator card Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3? As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ? Thanks. " 5535,15,"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) Subject: Re: Hell Organization: Netcom Lines: 17 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > >In a short poem (""God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell""), >C. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I'm sure was current among others, >but I haven't be able to find its source: > >that even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount >of separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can >achieve. > I have also heard it called an expression of mercy, because Heaven would be far more agonizing for those who had rejected God. -- Joe Kellett jkellett@netcom.com " 5536,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <6APR199314571378@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: |Comet Gehrels 3, which was discovered in 1977, was determined to have |been in a temporary Jovian orbit from 1970 to 1973. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e |may remain in orbit around Jupiter long enough to allow Galileo to |make some closeup observations. The orbital trajectory for Comet |Shoemaker-Levy is still being determined. a What about positional uncertainties in S-L 1993e? I assume we know where and what Galileo is doing within a few meters. But without the HGA, don't we have to have some pretty good ideas, of where to look before imaging? If the HGA was working, they could slew around in near real time (Less speed of light delay). But when they were imaging toutatis???? didn't someone have to get lucky on a guess to find the first images? Also, I imagine S-L 1993e will be mostly a visual image. so how will that affect the other imaging missions. with the LGA, there is a real tight allocation of bandwidth. It may be premature to hope for answers, but I thought i'd throw it on the floor. pat " 5537,2,"From: rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu (Rahul Mehta) Subject: Info on Books on BIOS, 286 etc. Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 18 Hi Everybody, I am interested in the following topics. 1)BIOS programming on 286 and 386. 2)Memory management in 286 and 386. 3)Developing Visual Basic Custom Controls. I would like to have your valuable opinion on the books that are best in the above topics. Please send a mail to rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu . I will post a summary of the suggestions. 2**32-1 thanks in advance. -Rahul Mehta " 5538,12,"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet? Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.173742.99726@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN) writes: >Well, I'm not too sure if this would be the right place to post this, but >anyway, here goes: I was just noticing that some of the current bubblejet >printers offers up to 360x360 resolution while a lot of lower end laser >printers only offer 300x300. However, the laser printers still seems to be >significantly pricier than the bubblejets... how is this? Or am I missing >something about the resolution thing? Bubblejets often splatter a little bit, whereas LaserJets (given half-way decent toner, like HP's ""Microfine"" stuff) don't. Both produce very good output, but you don't have to look too closely at the two to tell that LaserJet output is definitely superior. On the other hand, LaserJets which haven't been maintained properly and use the cheapest toner the owner could find often produce awful output, much worse than a bubblejet. :-) One other thing... there are bubblejets, and then there are BubbleJets. There are a few bubblejets out there that produce rather mediocre output (such as HP's dinky little BubbleJet), whereas most produce really good looking output (such as HP's DeskJets). IBM and Canon both produce some of the really good style bubblejets. ---Joel Kolstad P.S. -- If you're in the market for a portable bublejet printer, I can highly recommend the HP Portable DeskJet, although I've heard the portable Canons are good too (I needed PCL support, myself). With the DeskJet Portable, you even get an undocumented PCMCIA card slot! " 5539,14,"From: DKELO@msmail.pepperdine.edu (Dan Kelo) Subject: M-81 Supernova X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 7 How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81? I might just break out the scope for this one. ____________________________________________________ ""No sir, I don't like it! ""-- Mr. Horse Dan Kelo dkelo@pepvax.pepperdine.edu ____________________________________________________ " 5540,19,"From: tims@megatek.com (Tim Scott) Subject: Re: RFD: misc.taoism Reply-To: tims@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 72 In article <79899@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group. I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <79899@cup.portal.com> ""Thyagi@cup.portal.com"" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters should be agreed upon. Thyagi wrote: > I recommend that the depth of generality, indeed, of AMBIGUITY, in this > newsgroup (misc.taoism) be maximized. Calling the Tradition old or new > is rather unnecessary, and only leads to foolish squabbles. There is no > doubt that Nature is a splendid teacher, whether she appears in the words > spoken by a tree or by a stream, a microbe or a star. Let us not limit > 'misc.taoism' to 'philosophy'. But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into a big amorphous glob. Other questions Thyagi proposes are: > 1) What is this 'actual process of reality'? > 2) Why is Taoism based upon an assumption? > 3) Why does this assumption concern knowledge and what can be known? > 4) What is the value of not knowing? > 5) What is 'a Tao'? What does it mean to be 'Tao'd'? It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the category of ""general metaphysics"". I would prefer any misc.taoism to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated with at least ""semi-orthodox"" Taoism: with established classic works definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about! I think ""neo-Taoism"" should be excluded or get its own group (what I mean by this is ""Humpty-Dumpty Taoism"", in which Taoism means whatever a poster says it means.) This ""alt.taoism"" could also be a refuge for debates about what ""Taoism *REALLY* means"" or speculations on sexual alchemy, etc.. e.g. (from Thyagi again): > Taoism does what the hell it wants, I tell you. > Taoism doesn't exist. 'Taoism' is no more real that 'Tao'. Decide, now. > Real or not real? Exist or not-exist? When shall we be certain Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article): > However most traffic in > the group will likely concern the philosophical, secular taoism > averred by Alan Watts and Niels Bohr, and yogic taoism as it pertains > to medical, sexual and martial techniques. I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of place. What's happening is that that the term ""Taoism"" is becoming completely polluted and trivialized like the words ""magic"", ""Alchemy"", ""Zen,"" etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled ""The Tao of"" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.) Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance, I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to these groups just as they do now. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim P. Scott sending from: Megatek Corporation (619)455-5590 ext.2610 9645 Scranton Rd. San Diego, CA 92121-3782 USA FAX: (619)453-7603 Internet: tims@megatek.com [or] ...uunet!megatek!tims " 5541,16,From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: The Real Reason Politicians Want Guns Confiscated Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 12 Politicians want to eliminate private ownership of guns before the general public starts violently resisting the tax increases needed to fund the federal government as an ever higher percentage of tax revenue goes to pay interest on the national debt (currently 57 cents out of every tax dollar collected and rising). -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. 5542,16,"From: keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) Subject: CDN gun laws Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation Lines: 37 [MODERATOR: Nice summary, Keith, thanks.] I talked to the federal Dept. of Justice (DOJ, Ottawa) to try and clarify a bunch of things regarding changes to Canadian gun laws. I am posting here for informational purposes; questions to email, followup to t.p.g. 1. It is still technically feasible (but almost impossible) to get a concealed carry permit in Canada. This is contrary to what I was told by a police officer. 2. It is still legal to use lethal force (such as a firearm) to protect life, also contrary to what the officer told me. Guns must be stored locked up and unloaded, however. 3. Regarding hi-capacity magazines, it is still not clear who will be exempt or how this will be managed. This is up to each province. The general idea is that exempt persons will receive a letter/form authorizing them to possess the high capacity magazines. Apparently, the authorization is to specify how many of these 'prohibited weapons' you will be allowed to possess. Dealers will be allowed to order high capacity mags for those allowed to possess them, but will not be allowed to stock them. 4. High capacity magazines converted to comply with the new limits will not be considered prohibited weapons. Amendments to the regulations specify some possible methods to alter the magazines. Some manufacturers (Beretta) will be marketing reduced capacity magazines. (God knows how much they'll charge for these) This covers most of what we discussed. I have typed this from memory, do not take it as gospel. I am not a lawyer and I refuse to play one on TV. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Keith P. de Solla, P.Eng | IPSC Ontario, OHA, NFA, SFC, OFAH | | keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca | Frontenac Rifle and Pistol Club | ------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5543,1,"From: Sean McMains Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 15: 22:26 GMT Organization: University of North Texas X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 83 First off: Thanks to all who have filled me in on the existence of the 68070. I assumed rashly that the particular number would be reserved for further enhancements to the Motorola line, rather than meted out to another company. Ah, well, I guess that's what I get when I assume the computer industry will operate in a logical manner! ;-) In article <1993Apr16.212441.34125@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: > Sean, I don't want to get into a 'mini-war' by what I am going to say, >but I have to be a little bit skeptic about the performance you are >claiming on the Centris, you'll see why (please, no-flames, I reserve >those for c.s.m.a :-) ) > > I was in Chicago in the last consumer electronics show, and Apple had a >booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture >using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot >quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one >(1.5). Version 1.5 of Quicktime is, as has been stated, the current version of the software. The older version is 1.0, and 1.6 is on the horizon in the not too distant future. > They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite >nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by >3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it >wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he >increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps. Quicktime does a much better job of playing back movies at size than it does playing back resized movies. Apparently the process of expanding each frame's image and dithering the resultant bitmap to the appropriate bit depth is pretty processor-intensive. There are optimizers that work pretty well for showing movies at double size, but if you drop to 1.9x size or increase to 2.1x size, performance suffers dramatically. > Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know >what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime >could play back at the same speed even on an LCII. He lied. :-) Quicktime is very CPU dependent. He was probably confused by the fact that QT is locked to an internal timecode, and will play in the same amount of time on any machine. However, an LC will drop frames in order to keep the sound and video synced up. The Centris and Quadras have similar CPUs and will thus boast similar performance, though the Quadras will be a bit faster due to marginally faster clock speeds and somewhat different architecture. > Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having >a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was >from memory! > > Could it be that you saw either a newer version of quicktime, or some >hardware assisted Centris, or another software product running the >animation (like supposedly MacroMind's Accelerator?)? I expect that the version of the Quicktime software you saw was 1.0 -- I was using was 1.5. One of the new codecs in v1.5 allows video at nearly twice the size and the same frame rate as what version 1.0 could handle. The Centris 650 I saw was a plain-vanilla, with the exception of the nice speakers that were playing the sound, and the software was Movie Player, the QT player Apple includes with the software. > Don't misunderstand me, I just want to clarify this. No problem -- it still surprises me that Quicktime is able to do the things it does as well as it can. ======================================================================== Sean McMains | Check out the Gopher | Phone:817.565.2039 University of North Texas | New Bands Info server | Fax :817.565.4060 P.O. Box 13495 | at seanmac.acs.unt.edu | E-Mail: Denton TX 76203 | | McMains@unt.edu " 5544,5,"From: slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.MIL (Steve Slosser) Subject: UNIX interest group: Where is it? Organization: The Internet Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: ""xpert"" I know that this is not the correct place to post this, but I have exhausted all other logical options. I used to be on the INFO-UNIX newsgroup mailer. The mailers mysteriously quite coming around the end of last year. All e-mails requesting that I be placed back on the list have been ignored. I have been unable to locate the administrator of this list. If anyone knows of the internet address that I can send a the request to get back on this list, can you please send it to me. If you don't know of this specific newsgroup mailer, I would appreciate the address of *any* UNIX-related newsgroup. Thanks. Cutoff, Steve slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.mil PS - Sorry for the non-X-related question. " 5545,2,"From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) Subject: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Lines: 17 I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. The information I am looking for is: Mail address Phone number Fax number E-mail address Thanks in advance. -- *** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** *** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** *** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** *** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** " 5546,3,"From: picano@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Silvio Picano) Subject: Logitech 2-button mouse & BIOS routines availability ? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 21 Newsgroups: comp.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Logitech 2-button mouse pin-out & BIOS routine availability? Distribution: world Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network I have a Logitech 2S-2f (or 2f-2S) 2-button mouse that I want to interface to a serial port of a different (non-ibm-compatible) system. The mouse is XT/AT/PS2 compatible, with a DB25 connector. I tried to reverse engineer the mouse, but it has a micro-controller inside it. If I could get the DB25 pin-out, and perhaps a copy of the BIOS routines that support it, I could map all this into my target system? Anyone know where I might get the pin-out or the BIOS routines? Are the routines published someplace convenient? Thanks! Silvio PS....please send email to me directly! " 5547,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Log/stereo high quality pot (hi-fi) Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr5.172839.22714@eng.cam.ac.uk> cmh@eng.cam.ac.uk (C.M. Hicks) writes: >cobust@seagoon.ee.sun.ac.za (Cobus Theunissen) writes: > >>Hi there, > >>I am looking for a high quality log/stereo 10k pot for an audio >>preamplifier. The design specifies Alps RKGA-2 10k AX2, but I cannot >>find it anywhere! Any suggestions? > >The best pots around (IMHO) are made by Penny & Giles in the UK. Their >basic model has a solid brass case, and conductive plastic elements >matched to 0.5dB across the whole rotation. The downside is that they >cost upwards of 50 quid each :-( The P&G pots are very good. The Alps ones are usually carried by the same folks who run the Audio Amateur magazine. I'll also recommend the Noble potentiometers, if you don't mind weird metric sizes on everything. --scott " 5548,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Distribution: sci Lines: 33 In 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: >Nick Haines sez; >>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in >>maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case). >Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never >heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in? SEI Level 5 (the highest level -- the SEI stands for Software Engineering Institute). I'm not sure, but I believe that this rating only applies to the flight software. Also keep in mind that it was *not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and did the whole process by hand. I would not consider receiving a 'Warning' status on systems which are not yet in use would detract much (if anything) from such a rating -- I'll have to get the latest copy of the guidelines to make sure (they just issued new ones, I think). Also keep in mind that the SEI levels are concerned primarily with control of the software process; the assumption is that a well controlled process will produce good software. Also keep in mind that SEI Level 5 is DAMNED HARD. Most software in this country is produced by 'engineering practicies' that only rate an SEI Level 1 (if that). -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 5549,2,"From: mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) Subject: workaround for Citizen drivers Summary: workaround Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: DRD Corporation Lines: 38 I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+. In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the first. WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the ""Default"" location for the printers instead of ""Tractor"" or ""Manual"". They have also filed this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it. MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm not. Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider- my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely* they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround. WORKAROUND ---------- Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like magic, all of your problems will go away. Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies! -- Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike.rovak@drd.com ======================================================================== " 5550,1,"From: lcd@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Leon Dent) Subject: Re: MPEG for x-windows MONO needed. Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu On sunsite.unc.edu in pub/multimedia/utilities/unix find mpeg_play-2.0.tar.Z. I find for mono it works best as mpeg_play -dither threshold though you can use mpeg_play -dither mono Face it, this is not be the best viewing situation. Also someone has made a patch for mpeg_play that gives two more mono modes (mono2 and halftone). They are by jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch). And the patch can be found on csc.canberra.edu.au (137.92.1.1) under /pub/motif/mpeg2.0.mono.patch. Leon Dent lcd@umcc.umich.edu " 5551,2,"From: pittam@fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au Subject: WordBasic SDK Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 19 Reply-To: pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au NNTP-Posting-Host: fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au Request for Information I have been reading about an organisation called ""WinWord Developer's Relations Group"". I believe they have produced publications called WinWord Software Development Kit (or WordBasic SDK) and 'The Proceedings of the Windows Developers' Tools Conference, WordBasic' sessions assembled by Steve Wexler. Would you be able to help me with a contact name and address for this organisation or these publications. Thank you -- Adrian Pitt - Systems Administrator DSTO Corporate Information Systems Unit (Melbourne) 506 Lorimer Street, Fishermens Bend, VIC 3207 Australia Phone (03) 647 7881 Fax (03) 646 6061 email pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au " 5552,9,"From: tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans) Subject: Re: Royals Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 Lines: 17 randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: >The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time. >When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front >from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and >all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely >doomed. >Other than that, I guess they're OK. You must not be old enough to remember the A's in KC! -- Tim Evans | E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com | Experimental Station (302) 695-9353/7395 | P.O. Box 80357 EVANSTK AT A1 AT ESVAX | Wilmington, Delaware 19880-0357 " 5553,18,"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 281 In article <1993Apr5.200623.15140@dsd.es.com>, Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Waldrop) writes: >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Announcing. . . Announcing. . . Announcing. . . Announcing >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > PUBLIC HEARINGS > > on the compliance by the > > UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT > > and the governments of the states of > > FLORIDA, LOUISIANA, ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, > WEST VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, INDIANA, > MARYLAND, OKLAHOMA, NEVADA, WYOMING, > GEORGIA, AND MAINE > > with Certain International Agreements Signed > by the United States Government, in particular, > > THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL > AND POLITICAL RIGHTS > (signed 5 October 1977) > > and the > > DOCUMENT OF THE COPENHAGEN MEETING OF THE > CONFERENCE ON THE HUMAN DIMENSION OF THE > CONFERENCE ON SECURITY AND COOPERATION > IN EUROPE > (June 1990) > > A Democracy Project of > > CELEBRATE LIBERTY! > THE 1993 LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL CONVENTION > AND POLITICAL EXPO > > Sept. 2-5, 1993 > Salt Palace Convention Center > Marriott Hotel > Salt Lake City, Utah > >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >These hearings will investigate charges that the governments >referenced above routinely violate the political and >democratic rights of political minority parties. Persons >interested in testifying at these hearings, or in submitting >written or documentary evidence, should contact: > > Bob Waldrop > P.O. Box 526175 > Salt Lake City, UT 84152 > (801)-582-3318 > Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org > >Examples of possible information of interest includes >evidence and testimony regarding: > >(1) Unfair or unequal treatment of political minorities; > >(2) Physical assaults on volunteers, candidates, or > members of minority parties; > >(3) Arrests of minority party petitioners, candidates, or > members while engaged in political activity; > >(4) Structural barriers to organizing third parties and/or > running for office as anything other than a Democrat > or Republican (e.g. signature totals required for > petitions to put new parties and candidates on ballots, > requirements for third parties that Democrats and > Republicans are not required to meet, etc.); > >(5) Taxpayer subsidies of Democratic and Republican > candidates that are denied or not available to third > parties; > >(6) Fraudulent or non-reporting of minority party vote > totals (e.g. stating totals for Democratic and > Republican party candidates as equal to 100% of the > vote); > >(7) Refusals by state legislatures, governors, and courts to > hear petitions for redress of grievances from third > parties, and/or unfavorable rulings/laws > discriminating against third parties; > >(8) Refusal to allow registration as a member of a third > party when registering to vote (in states where > partisan voter registration is optional or required); > >(9) Vote fraud, stuffing ballot boxes, losing ballots, fixing > elections, threatening candidates, ballot printing errors; > machine voting irregularities, dishonest/corrupt > election officials, refusal to register third party voters > or allow filing by third party candidates; failure to > print third party registration options on official voter > registration documents; intimidation of third party > voters and/or candidates; and/or any other criminal > acts by local, county, state or federal election officials; > >(10) Exclusion of third party candidates from debate > forums sponsored by public schools, state colleges and > universities, and governments (including events > carried on television and radio stations owned and/or > subsidized by governments; > >(11) Any other information relevant to the topic. > >Information is solicited about incidents relating to all non- >Democratic and non-Republican political parties, such as >Libertarian, New Alliance, Socialist Workers Party, Natural >Law Party, Taxpayers, Populist, Consumer, Green, American, >Communist, etc., as well as independent candidates such as >John Anderson, Ross Perot, Eugene McCarthy, Barry >Commoner, etc. > > >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >Representatives of the governments referenced above will be >invited to respond to any allegations. > >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE DOCUMENT OF THE > COPENHAGEN MEETING REFERENCED ABOVE: > >""(The participating States) recognize that pluralistic >democracy and the rule of law are essential for ensuring >respect for all human rights and fundamental freedoms. . . >They therefore welcome the commitment expressed by all >participating States to the ideals of democracy and political >pluralism. . . The participating States express their conviction >that full respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms >and the development of societies based on pluralistic >democracy. . . are prerequisites for progress in setting up the >lasting order of peace, security, justice, and co-operation. . . >They therefore reaffirm their commitment to implement fully >all provisions of the Final Act and of the other CSCE >documents relating to the human dimension. . . In order to >strengthen respect for, and enjoyment of, human rights and >fundamental freedoms, to develop human contacts and to >resolve issues of a related humanitarian character, the >participating States agree on the following. . . > >""(2). . . They consider that the rule of law does not mean >merely a formal legality which assures regularity and >consistency in the achievement and enforcement of >democratic order, but justice based on the recognition and >full acceptance of the supreme value of the human >personality and guaranteed by institutions providing a >framework for its fullest expression."" > >""(3) They reaffirm that democracy is an inherent element of >the rule of law. They recognize the importance of pluralism >with regard to political organizations."" > >""(4) They confirm that they will respect each other's right >freely to choose and develop, in accordance with >international human rights standards, their political, social, >economic and cultural systems. In exercising this right, they >will ensure that their laws, regulations, practices, and policies >conform with their obligations under international law and >are brought into harmony with the provisions of the >Declaration on Principles and other CSCE commitments."" > >""(5) They solemnly declare that among those elements of >justice which are essential to the full expression of the >inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all >human beings are the following. . ."" > >"". . . (5.4) -- a clear separation between the State and political >parties; in particular, political parties will not be merged with >the state. . ."" > >"". . . (7) To ensure that the will of the people serves as >the basis of the authority of government, the participating >states will. . ."" > >""(7.4) -- ensure . . . that (votes) are counted and reported >honestly with the official results made public;"" > >""(7.5) -- respect the right of citizens to seek political or public >office, individually or as representatives of political parties or >organizations, without discrimination."" > > > RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE > INTERNATIONAL COVENANT OF 5 OCTOBER 1977 > REFERENCED ABOVE > >The States Parties to the present Covenant. . . Recognizing >that. . . the ideal of free human beings enjoying civil and >political freedom and freedom from fear and want can only >be achieved if conditions are created whereby everyone may >enjoy his civil and political rights, as well as his economic, >social, and cultural rights, Considering the obligation of >States under the Charter of the United Nations to promote >universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and >freedoms. . . Agree upon the following articles. . . > >Article 2. (1) Each State Party to the present Covenant >undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within >its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights >recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of >any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, >political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, >birth, or other status. > >(2) Where not already provided for by existing legislative or >other measures, each State Party to the present Covenant >undertakes to take the necessary steps, in accordance with its >constitutional processes and with the provisions of the >present Covenant, to adopt such legislative or other measures >as may be necessary to give effect to the rights recognized in >the present Covenant. . . > >Article 3. The States Parties to the present Covenant >undertake to ensure the equal right of men and women to >the enjoyment of all civil and political rights set forth in the >present Covenant. . . > >Article 25. Every citizen shall have the right and the >opportunity, without any of the distinctions mentioned in >article 2 and without unreasonable restrictions: (a) to take >part in the conduct of public affairs, directly or through >freely chosen representatives; (b) to vote and to be elected at >genuine periodic elections which shall be by universal and >equal suffrage and shall be held by secret ballot, >guaranteeing the free expression of the will of the electors; (c) >to have access, on general terms of equality, to public service >in his country. > >Article 26. All persons are equal before the law and are >entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of >the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any >discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and >effective protection against discrimination on any ground >such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other >opinion, national or social origin, property, birth, or other >status. > > > >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >There will be no peace without freedom. >Think Globally -- Act Locally. >Resist Much. Obey Little. >Question Authority. > >Comments from Bob Waldrop are the responsibility of Bob >Waldrop! For a good time call 415-457-6388. > >E-Mail: Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org >Snail Mail: P.O. Box 526175 > Salt Lake City, Utah 84152-6175 > United States of America >Voice Phone: (801) 582-3318 >-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > >-- > Don't blame me; I voted Libertarian. >Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1993 Rich Thomson >UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson Rich Thomson >Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com IRC: _Rich_ PEXt Programmer ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) When the words fold open, it means the death of doors; even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) " 5554,15,"From: FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan) Subject: Looking for videotapes Lines: 44 I have been looking at some of the recent productions on homosexuality and decided that I was interested in videotaped copies of these. If anyone can help me out here, I would very much appreciate it. Here is what I am looking for: * - ""The Gay Agenda"" produced by Ty Beeson's group The Report. * - John Ankerberg's recent series ""Understanding Homosexuality and Experiencing Genuine Change."" * - James Kennedy's special on homosexuality which aired this week, and the portion of the previous week's program which discussed ""The Gay Agenda."" I will not pay money for copies, since this is copyrighted material and that would be illegal. I will pay for return postage. If somebody can think of something they would desire in trade, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. Oh, BTW, I'm watching the March On Washington right now on C-SPAN. Other than the fact that I'm generally repulsed by what I'm watching, I found one thing of interest. General David Dinkins just finished speaking, and remarked that the New York City delegation consists of about 200,000 people. Funny, I don't see 200,000 people out there, period. Must've been quite the party scene last night. Or maybe their exaggerations were just too much. Sean Patrick Ryan****fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com 3215 Oregon Dr. #2, Anchorage, AK 99517-2048****907-272-9184****fnord Abortion stops a beating heart****Disclaimer: I didn't inhale, either IDITAROD SCOREBOARD 1993 - MEN 16, WOMEN 5****Read alt.flame.sean-ryan [I don't suppose you'd be interested in hearing about the homosexual agenda from homosexual Christians? These portrayals of the homosexual agenda are regarded by some as being somewhat akin to trying to understand fundamentalist Christianity by looking at the Branch Dividians. You might also want to look at some outside evaluations of the groups claiming to change homosexuals. When our church (the Presbyterian Church (USA)) looked into this issue, even the conservative members of the committee were concerned about how real and long-lasting the changes were. I'll be interested to get reports from police and the press about the number of people participating today. Presumably we'll have a better idea by tomorrow. --clh] " 5555,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 A Summary: Part A Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 501 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part A Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh (Part A of #008) +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | ""Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they | | repeated quite frequently, ""Let the Armenian women have babies | | for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the | | struggle against the Armenians."" Then they said, ""Those | | Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!"" They repeated | | it very often."" | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF LYUDMILA GRIGOREVNA M. Born 1959 Teacher Sumgait Secondary School No. 10 Secretary of the Komsomol Organization at School No. 10 Member of the Sumgait City Komsomol Committee Office Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] [Note: The events in Kafan, used as a pretext to attack Armenians in Azerbaijan are false, as verified by independent International Human Rights organizations - DD] I'm thinking about the price the Sumgait Armenians paid to be living in Armenia now. We paid for it in human casualties and crippled fates--the price was too great! Now, after the Sumgait tragedy, we, the victims, divide our lives into ""before"" and ''after."" We talk like that: that was before the war. Like the people who went through World War II and considered it a whole epoch, a fate. No matter how many years go by, no matter how long we live, it will never be forgotten. On the contrary, some of the moments become even sharper: in our rage, in our sorrow, we saw everything differently, but now . . . They say that you can see more with distance, and we can see those inhuman events with more clarity now . . . we more acutely perceive our losses and everything that happened. Nineteen eighty-eight was a leap year. Everyone fears a leap year and wants it to pass as quickly as possible. Yet we never thought that that leap year would be such a black one for every Sumgait Armenian: those who lost someone and those who didn't. That second to last day of winter was ordinary for our family, although you could already smell danger in the air. But we didn't think that the danger was near and possible, so we didn't take any steps to save ourselves. At least, as my parents say, at least we should have done something to save the children. My parents themselves are not that old, 52 and 53 years. But then they thought that they had already lived enough, and did everything they could to save us. In our apartment the tragedy started on February 28, around five in the afternoon. I call it a tragedy, and I repeat: it was a tragedy even though all our family survived. When I recall how they broke down our door my skin crawls; even now, among Armenians, among people who wish me only well, I feel like it's all starting over again. I remember how that mob broke into our apartment . . . My parents were standing in the hall. My father had an axe in his hands and had immediately locked both of the doors. Our door was rarely locked since friends and neighbors often dropped by. We're known as a hospitable family, and we just never really thought about whether the people who were coming to see us were Azerbaijanis, Jews, or Russians. We had friends of many nationalities, even a Turkmen woman. My parents were in the hall, my father with an axe. I remember him telling my mother, ""Run to the kitchen for a knife."" But Mother was detached, pale, as though she had decided to sell her life a bit dearer. To be honest I never expected it of her, she's afraid of getting shot and afraid of the dark. A girlfriend was at the house that day, a Russian girl, Lyuda, and Mamma said, ""No matter what happens, no matter what they do to us, you're not to come out of the bedroom. We're going to tell them that we're alone in the apartment."" We went into the bedroom. There were four of us. Marina and the Russian girl crawled under the bed, and we covered them up with a rug, boxes of dishes, and Karina and I are standing there and looking at one another. The idea that perhaps we were seeing each other for the last time flashed somewhere inside me. I'm an emotional person and I express my emotions immediately. I wanted to embrace her and kiss her, as though it were the last second. And maybe Karina was thinking the same thing, but she's quite reserved. We didn't have time to say anything to each other because we immediately heard Mamma raise a shout. There was so much noise from the tramping of feet, from the shouting, and from excited voices. I couldn't figure what was going on out there because the door to the bedroom was only open a crack. But when Mamma shouted the second time Karina ran out of the bedroom. I ran after her, I had wanted to hold her back, but when she opened the door and ran out into the hall they saw us immediately. The only thing I managed to do was close the door behind me, at least so as to save Marina and her friend. The mob was shouting, all of their eyes were shining, all red, like from insomnia. At first about 40 people burst in, but later I was standing with my back to the door and couldn't see. They came into the hall, into the kitchen, and dragged my father into the other room. He didn't utter a word, he just raised the axe to hit them, but Mamma snatched the axe from behind and said, ""Tell them not to touch the children. Tell them they can do as they want with us, but not to harm the children."" She said this to Father in Armenian. There were Azerbaijanis from Armenia among the mob who broke in. They understood Armenian perfectly. The local Azerbaijanis don't know Armenian, they don't need to speak it. And one of them responded in Armenian: ""You and your children both . . . we're going to do the same thing to you and your children that you Armenians did in Kafan. They killed our women, our girls, our mothers, they cut their breasts off, and burned our houses . . . ,"" and so on and so forth, ""and we came to do the same thing to you."" This whole time some of them are destroying the house and the others are shouting at us. They were mostly young people, under 30. At first there weren't any older people among them. And all of their faces were unfamiliar. Sumgait is a small town, all the same, and we know a lot of people by their faces, especially me, I'm a teacher. So they dragged my father into the other room. They twisted his arms and took him in there, no they didn't take him in there, they dragged him in there, because he was already unable to walk. They closed the door to that room all but a crack. We couldn't see what was happening to Father, what they were doing to him. Then a young man, about 26 years old, started to tear off Mamma's sarafan, and Mamma shouted at him in Azerbaijani: ""I'm old enough to be your mother! What are you doing?!"" He struck her. Now he's being held, Mamma identified him. I hope he's convicted. Then they went after Karina, who's been talking to them like a Komsomol leader, as though she were trying to lead them down a different path, as they say, to influence their consciousness. She told them that what they were doing was wrong, that they mustn't do it. She said, ""Come on, let's straighten this out, without emotions. What do you want? Who are you? Why did you come here? What did we ever do to you?"" Someone tried to explain who they were and why they had come into our home, but then the ones in the back--more of them kept coming and coming--said, ""What are you talking to, them for. You should kill them. We came here to kill them."" They pushed Karina, struck her, and she fell down. They beat her, but she didn't cry out. Even when they tore her clothes off, she kept repeating, ""What did we do to you? What did we do to you?"" And even later, when she came to, she said, ""Mamma, what did we do to them? Why did they do that to us?"" That group was prepared, I know this because I noticed that some of them only broke up furniture, and others only dealt with us. I remember that when they were beating me, when they were tearing my clothes off, I felt neither pain nor shame because my entire attention was riveted to Karina. All I could do was watch how much they beat her and how painful it was for her, and what they did to her. That's why I felt no pain. Later, when they carried Karina off, they beat her savagely . . . It's really amazing that she not only lived, but didn't lose her mind . She is very beautiful and they did everything they could to destroy her beauty. Mostly they beat her face, with their fists, kicking her, using anything they could find. Mamma, Karina, and I were all in one room. And again I didn't feel any pain, just didn't feel any, no matter how much they beat me, no matter what they did. Then one of those creeps said that there wasn't enough room in the apartment. They broke up the beds and the desk and moved everything into the corners so there would be more room. Then someone suggested, ""Let's take her outside."" Those beasts were in Heaven. They did what they would do every day if they weren't afraid of the authorities. Those were their true colors. At the time I thought that in fact they would always behave that way if they weren't afraid of what would happen to them. When they carried Karina out and beat Mamma-her face was completely covered with blood--that's when I started to feel the pain. I blacked out several times from the pain, but each moment that I had my eyes open it was as though I were recording it all on film. I think I'm a kind person by nature, but I'm vengeful, especially if someone is mean to me, and I don't deserve it. I hold a grudge a long time if someone intentionally causes me pain. And every time I would come to and see one of those animals on top of me, I'd remember them, and I'll remember them for the rest of my life, even though people tell me ""forget,"" you have to forget, you have to go on living. At some point I remember that they stood me up and told me something, and despite the fact that I hurt all over--I had been beaten terribly--I found the strength in myself to interfere with their tortures. I realized that I had to do something: resist them or just let them kill me to bring my suffering to an end. I pushed one of them away, he was a real horse. I remember now that he's being held, too. As though they were all waiting for it, they seized me and took me out onto the balcony. I had long hair, and it was stuck all over me. One of the veranda shutters to the balcony was open, and I realized that they planned to throw me out the window, because they had already picked me up with their hands, I was up in the air. As though for the last time I took a really deep breath and closed my eyes, and somehow braced myself inside, I suddenly became cold, as though my heart had sunk into my feet. And suddenly I felt myself flying. I couldn't figure out if I was really flying or if I just imagined it. When I came to I thought now I'm going to smash on the ground. And when it didn't happen I opened my eyes and realized that I was still lying on the floor. And since I didn't scream, didn't beg them at all, they became all the more wild, like wolves. They started to trample me with their feet. Shoes with heels on them, and iron horseshoes, like they had spe- cially put them on. Then I lost consciousness. I came to a couple of times and waited for death, summoned it, beseeched it. Some people ask for good health, life, happiness, but at that moment I didn't need any of those things. I was sure that none of us would survive, and I had even forgotten about Marina; and if none of us was alive, it wasn't worth living. There was a moment when the pain was especially great. I withstood inhuman pain, and realized that they were going to torment me for a long time to come because I had showed myself to be so tenacious. I started to strangle myself, and when I started to wheeze they realized that with my death I was going to put an end to their pleasures, and they pulled my hands from my throat. The person who injured and insulted me most painfully I remember him very well, because he was the oldest in the group. He looked around 48. I know that he has four children and that he considers himself an ideal father and person, one who would never do such a thing. Something came over him then, you see, even during the investigation he almost called me ""daughter,"" he apologized, although, of course, he knew that I'd never forgive him. Something like that I can never forgive. I have never injured anyone with my behavior, with my words, or with my deeds, I have always put myself in the other person's shoes, but then, in a matter of hours, they trampled me entirely. I shall never forget it. I wanted to do myself in then, because I had nothing to lose, because no one could protect me. My father, who tried to do something against that hoard of beasts by himself, could do nothing and wouldn't be able to do anything. I knew that I was even sure that he was no longer alive. And Ira Melkumian, my acquaintance I knew her and had been to see her family a couple of times--her brother tried to save her and couldn't, so he tried to kill her, his very own sister. He threw an axe at her to kill her and put an end to her suffering. When they stripped her clothes off and carried her into the other room, her brother knew what awaited her. I don't know which one it was, Edik or Igor. Both of them were in the room from which the axe was thrown. But the axe hit one of the people carrying her and so they killed her and made her death even more excruciating, maybe the most excruciating of all the deaths of those days in Sumgait. I heard about it all from the neighbor from the Melkumians' landing. His name is Makhaddin, he knows my family a little. He came to see how we had gotten settled in the new apartment in Baku, how we were feeling, and if we needed anything. He's a good person. He said, ""You should praise God that you all survived. But what I saw with my own eyes, I, a man, who has seen so many people die, who has lived a whole life, I,"" he says, ""nearly lost my mind that day. I had never seen the likes of it and think I never shall again."" The door to his apartment was open and he saw everything. One of the brothers threw the axe, because they had already taken the father and mother out of the apartment. Igor, Edik, and Ira remained. He saw Ira, naked, being carried into the other room in the hands of six or seven people. He told us about it and said he would never forget it. He heard the brothers shouting something, inarticulate from pain, rage, and the fact that they were powerless to do anything. But all the same they tried to do something. The guy who got hit with the axe lived. I I After I had been unsuccessful at killing myself I saw them taking Marina and Lyuda out of the bedroom. I was in such a state that I couldn't even remember my sister's name. I wanted to cry ""Marina!"" out to her, but could not. I looked at her and knew that it was a familiar, dear face, but couldn't for the life of me remember what her name was and who she was. And thus I saved her, because when they were taking her out, she, as it turns out, had told them that she had just been visiting and that she and Lyuda were both there by chance, that they weren't Armenians. Lyuda's a Russian, you can tell right away, and Marina speaks Azerbaijani wonderfully and she told them that she was an Azerbaijani. And I almost gave her away and doomed her. I'm glad that at least Marina came out of this all in good physical health . . . although her spirit was murdered . . . At some point I came to and saw Igor, Igor Agayev, my acquaintance, in that mob. He lives in the neighboring building. For some reason I remembered his name, maybe I sensed my defense in him. I called out to him in Russian, ""Igor, help!"" But he turned away and went into the bedroom. Just then they were taking Marina and Lyuda out of the bedroom. Igor said he knew Marina and Lyuda, that Marina in fact was Azerbaijani, and he took both of them to the neighbors. And the idea stole through me that maybe Igor had led them to our apartment, something like that, but if he was my friend, he was supposed to save me. Then they were striking me very hard--we have an Indian vase, a metal one, they were hitting me on the back with it and I blacked out--they took me out onto the balcony a second time to throw me out the window. They were already sure that I was dead because I didn't react at all to the new blows. Someone said, ""She's already dead, let's throw her out."" When they carried me out onto the balcony for the second time, when I was about to die the second time, I heard someone say in Azerbaijani: ""Don't kill her, I know her, she's a teacher."" I can still hear that voice ringing in my ears, but I can't remember whose voice it was. It wasn't Igor, because he speaks Azerbaijani with an accent: his mother is Russian and they speak Russian at home. He speaks Azerbaijani worse than our Marina does. I remember when they carried me in and threw me on the bed he came up to me, that person, and I having opened my eyes, saw and recognized that person, but immediately passed out cold. I had been beaten so much that I didn't have the strength to remember him. I only remember that this person was older and he had a high position. Unfortunately I can't remember anything more. What should I say about Igor? He didn't treat me badly. I had heard a lot about him, that he wasn't that good a person, that he sometimes drank too much. Once he boasted to me that he had served in Afghanistan. He knew that women usually like bravery in a man. Especially if a man was in Afghanistan, if he was wounded, then it's about eighty percent sure that he will be treated very sympathetically, with respect. Later I found out that he had served in Ufa, and was injured, but that's not in Afghanistan, of course. I found that all out later. Among the people who were in our apartment, my Karina also saw the Secretary of the Party organization. I don't know his last name, his first name is Najaf, he is an Armenian-born Azerbaijani. But later Karina wasn't so sure, she was no longer a hundred percent sure that it was he she saw, and she didn't want to endanger him. She said, ""He was there,"" and a little while later, ""Maybe they beat me so much that I am confusing him with someone else. No, it seems like it was he."" I am sure it was he because when he came to see us the first time he said one thing, and the next time he said something entirely different. The investigators haven't summoned him yet. He came to see us in the Khimik boarding house where we were living at the time. He brought groceries and flowers, this was right before March 8th; he almost started crying, he was so upset to see our condition. I don't know if he was putting us on or not, but later, after we had told the investigator and they summoned him to the Procuracy, he said that he had been in Baku, he wasn't in Sumgait. The fact that he changed his testimony leads me to believe that Karina is right, that in fact it was he who was in our apartment. I don't know how the investigators are now treating him. At one point I wondered and asked, and was told that he had an alibi and was not in our apartment. Couldn't he have gone to Baku and arranged an alibi? I'm not ruling out that possibility. Ill now return to our apartment. Mamma had come to. You could say that she bought them off with the gold Father gave her when they were married: her wedding band and her watch were gold. She bought her own and her husband's lives with them. She gave the gold to a 14-year old boy. Vadim Vorobyev. A Russian boy, he speaks Azerbaijani perfectly. He's an orphan who was raised by his grandfather and who lives in Sumgait on Nizami Street. He goes to a special school, one for mentally handicapped children. But I'll say this--I'm a teacher all the same and in a matter of minutes I can form an opinion--that boy is not at all mentally handicapped. He's healthy, he can think just fine, and analyze, too . . . policemen should be so lucky. And he's cunning, too. After that he went home and tore all of the pictures out of his photo album. He beat Mamma and demanded gold, saying, ""Lady, if you give us all the gold and money in your apartment we'll let you live."" And Mamma told them where the gold was. He brought in the bag and opened it, shook out the contents, and everyone who was in the apartment jumped on it, started knocking each other over and taking the gold from one another. I'm surprised they didn't kill one another right then. Mamma was still in control of herself. She had been beaten up, her face was black and blue from the blows, and her eyes were filled with blood, and she ran into the other room. Father was lying there, tied up, with a gag in his mouth and a pillow over his face. There was a broken table on top of the pil- low. Mamma grabbed Father and he couldn't walk; like me, he was half dead, halfway into the other world. He couldn't comprehend anything, couldn't see, and was covered with black and blue. Mamma pulled the gag out of his mouth, it was some sort of cloth, I think it was a slipcover from an armchair. The bandits were still in our apartment, even in the room Mamma pulled Father out of, led him out of, carried him out of. We had two armchairs in that room, a small magazine table, a couch, a television, and a screen. Three people were standing next to that screen, and into their shirts, their pants, everywhere imaginable, they were shoving shot glasses and cups from the coffee service--Mamma saw them out of the corner of her eye. She said, ""I was afraid to turn around, I just seized Father and started pulling him, but at the threshold I couldn't hold him up, he fell down, and I picked him up again and dragged him down the stairs to the neighbors'."" Mamma remembered one of the criminals, the one who had watched her with his face half-turned toward her, out of one eye. She says, ""I realized that my death would come from that person. I looked him in the eyes and he recoiled from fear and went stealing."" Later they caught that scoundrel. Meanwhile, Mamma grabbed Father and left. I was alone. Igor had taken Marina away, Mamma and Father were gone, Karina was already outside, I didn't know what they were doing to her. I was left all alone, and at that moment . . . I became someone else, do you understand? Even though I knew that neither Mother and Father in the other room, nor Marina and Lyuda under the bed could save me, all the same I somehow managed to hold out. I went on fighting them, I bit someone, I remember, and I scratched another. But when I was left alone I realized what kind of people they were, the ones I had observed, the ones who beat Karina, what kind of people they were, the ones who beat me, that it was all unnecessary, that I was about to die and that all of that would die with me. At some point I took heart when I saw the young man from the next building. I didn't know his name, but we would greet one another when we met, we knew that we were from the same microdistrict. When I saw him I said, ""Neighbor, is that you?"" In so doing I placed myself in great danger. He realized that if I lived I would remember him. That's when he grabbed the axe. The axe that had been taken from my father. I automatically fell to my knees and raised my hands to take the blow of the axe, although at the time it would have been better if he had struck me in the head with the axe and put me out of my misery. When he started getting ready to wind back for the blow, someone came into the room. The newcomer had such an impact on everyone that my neighbor's axe froze in the air. Everyone stood at attention for this guy, like soldiers in the presence of a general. Everyone waited for his word: continue the atrocities or not. He said, ""Enough, let's go to the third entryway."" In the third entryway they killed Uncle Shurik, Aleksandr Gambarian. This confirms once again that they had prepared in advance. Almost all of them left with him, as they went picking up pillows, blankets, whatever they needed, whatever they found, all the way up to worn out slippers and one boot, someone else had already taken the other. Four people remained in the room, soldiers who didn't obey their general. They had to have come recently, because other faces had flashed in front of me over those 2 to 3 hours, but I had never seen those three. One of them, Kuliyev (I identified him later), a native of the Sisian District of Armenia, an Azerbaijani, had moved to Azerbaijan a year before. He told me in Armenian: ""Sister, don't be afraid, I'll drive those three Azerbaijanis out of here."" That's just what he said, ""those Azerbaijanis,"" as though he himself were not Azerbaijani, but some other nationality, he said with such hatred, ""I'll drive them out of here now, and you put your clothes on, and find a hammer and nails and nail the door shut, because they'll be coming back from Apartment 41."" That's when I found out that they had gone to Apartment 41. Before that, the person in the Eskimo dogskin coat, the one who came in and whom they listened to, the ""general,"" said that they were going to the third entryway. Kuliyev helped me get some clothes on, because l couldn't do it by myself. Marina's old fur coat was lying on the floor. He threw it over my shoulders, I was racked with shivers, and he asked where he could find nails and a hammer. He wanted to give them to me so that when he left I could nail the door shut. But the door was lying on the floor in the hall. I went out onto the balcony. There were broken windows, and flowers and dirt from flowerpots were scattered on the floor. It was impossible to find anything. He told me, ""Well, fine, I won't leave you here. Would any of the neighbors let you in? They'll be back, they won't calm down, they know you're alive."" He told me all this in Armenian. Then he returned to the others and said, ""What are you waiting for? Leave!"" They said, ""Ah, you just want to chase us out of here and do it with her yourself. No, we want to do it to."" He urged them on, but gently, not coarsely, because he was alone against them, although they were still just boys, not old enough to be drafted. He led them out of the room, and went down to the third floor with them himself, and said, ""Leave. What's the mat- ter, aren't you men? Go fight with the men. What do you want of her?"" And he came back upstairs. They wanted to come up after him and he realized that he couldn't hold them off forever. Then he asked me where he could hide me. I told him at the neighbors' on the fourth floor, Apartment 10, we were on really good terms with them. We knocked on the door, and he explained in Azerbaijani. The neighbor woman opened the door and immediately said, ""I'm an Azerbaijani."" He said, ""I know. Let her sit at your place a while. Don't open the door to anyone, no one knows about this, I won't tell anyone. Let her stay at your place."" She says, ""Fine, have her come in."" I went in. She cried a bit and gave me some stockings, I had gone entirely numb and was racked with nervous shudders. I burst into tears. Even though I was wearing Marina's old fur coat, it's a short one, a half-length, I was cold all the same. I asked, ""Do you know where my family is, what happened to them?"" She says, ""No, I don't know anything. I'm afraid to go out of the apartment, now they're so wild that they don't look to see who's Azerbaijani and who's Armenian."" Kuliyev left. Ten minutes later my neighbor says, ""You know, Lyuda, I don't want to lose my life because of you, or my son and his wife. Go stay with someone else."" During the butchery in our apartment one of the scum, a sadist, took my earring in his mouth--I had pearl earrings on--and ripped it out, tearing the earlobe. The other earring was still there. When I'm nervous I fix my hair constantly, and then, when I touched my ear, I noticed that I had one earring on. I took it out and gave it to her. She took the earring, but she led me out of the apartment. I went out and didn't know where to go. I heard someone going upstairs. I don't know who it was but assumed it was them. With tremendous difficulty I end up to our apartment, I wanted to die in my own home. I go into the apartment and hear that they are coming up to our place, to the fifth floor. I had to do something. I went into the bedroom where Marina and Lyuda had hidden and saw that the bed was overturned. Instead of hiding I squatted near some broken Christmas ornaments, found an unbroken one, and started sobbing. Then they came in. Someone said that there were still some things to take. I think that someone pushed me under the bed. I lay on the floor, and there were broken ornaments on it, under my head and legs. I got all cut up, but I lay there without moving. My heart was beating so hard it seemed the whole town could hear it. There were no lights on. Maybe that's what saved me. They were burning matches, and toward the end they brought in a candle. They started picking out the clothes that could still be worn. They took Father's sport jacket and a bedspread, the end of which was under my head. They pulled on the one end, and it felt like they were pulling my hair out. I almost cried out. And again I realized I wasn't getting out of there alive, and I started to strangle myself again. I took my throat in one hand, and pressed the other on my mouth, so as not to wheeze, so that I would die and they would only find me afterward. They were throwing the burned matches under the bed, and I got burned, but I withstood it. Something inside of me held on, someone's hand was protecting me to the end. I knew that I was going to die, but I didn't know how. I knew that if I survived I would walk out of that apartment, but if I found out that one of my family had died, I would die for sure, because I had never been so close to death and couldn't imagine how you could go on living without your mother or father, or without your sister. Marina, I thought, was still alive: she went to Lyuda's place or someone is hiding her. I tried to think that Igor wouldn't let them be killed. He served in Afghanistan, he should protect her. While I was strangling myself I said my good-byes to everyone. And then I thought, how could Marina survive alone. If they killed all of us, how would she live all by herself? There were six people in the room. They talked among themselves and smoked. One talked about his daughter, saying that there was no children's footwear in our apartment that he could take for his daughter. Another said that he liked the apartment--recently we had done a really good job fixing everything up--and that he would live there after everything was all over. They started to argue. A third one says, ""How come you get it? I have four children, and there are three rooms here, that's just what I need. All these years I've been living in God-awful places."" Another one says, ""Neither of you gets it. We'll set fire to it and leave."" Then someone said that Azerbaijanis live right next door, the fire could move over to their place. And they, to my good fortune, didn't set fire to the apartment, and left. Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they repeated quite frequently, ""Let the Armenian women have babies for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the struggle against the Armenians."" Then they said, ""Those Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!"" They repeated it very often. - - - reference for #008 - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 5556,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1psfan$pj0@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes... >In article <6APR199314571378@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >|Comet Gehrels 3, which was discovered in 1977, was determined to have >|been in a temporary Jovian orbit from 1970 to 1973. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e >|may remain in orbit around Jupiter long enough to allow Galileo to >|make some closeup observations. The orbital trajectory for Comet >|Shoemaker-Levy is still being determined. >a > >What about positional uncertainties in S-L 1993e? If Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e is in Jovian orbit, and if the comet is still hanging around when Galileo arrives, then I'm sure it will be added to the list of targets. We'll have by then over two years of Earth-based observations to help narrow down the positions of the pieces of the comet. It probably won't be too much different than what was done with Gaspra. >But when they were >imaging toutatis? Galileo did not image Toutatis. That came from Earth-based radar. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. " 5557,14,"From: ruca@pinkie.saber-si.pt (Rui Sousa) Subject: Re: Potential World-Bearing Stars? In-Reply-To: dan@visix.com's message of Mon, 12 Apr 1993 19:52:23 GMT Lines: 17 Organization: SABER - Sistemas de Informacao, Lda. In article dan@visix.com (Daniel Appelquist) writes: I'm on a fact-finding mission, trying to find out if there exists a list of potentially world-bearing stars within 100 light years of the Sun... Is anyone currently working on this sort of thing? Thanks... Dan -- In principle, any star resembling the Sun (mass, luminosity) might have planets located in a suitable orbit. There several within 100 ly of the sun. They are single stars, for double or multiple systems might be troublesome. There's a list located at ames.arc.nasa.gov somewhere in pub/SPACE. I think it is called stars.dat. By the way, what kind of project, if I may know? Rui -- *** Infinity is at hand! Rui Sousa *** If yours is big enough, grab it! ruca@saber-si.pt All opinions expressed here are strictly my own " 5558,1,"From: ds@aris.nswc.navy.mil (Demetrios Sapounas) Subject: 3D display software Organization: NSWC Lines: 19 I have the need for displaying 2 1/2 D surfaces under X, using only Xlib, Xt and Xm. Does anyone know of a package, available on internet, which will be able to do the work? I am looking for a STAND-ALONE package providing similar functions to ""xprism3"" available with Khoros, but without the numerous libraries required for it. I want to be able to recompile it and run it on various platforms, from SGIs to i486s (UNIX). Any help will be appreciated. ======================================================================= Demetrios Sapounas Tel +1 (703) 663.8332 L 115, NSWC Fax +1 (703) 663.1939 Dahlgren, VA 22448-5000, USA email ds@aris.nswc.navy.mil ======================================================================= " 5559,16,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Tanks against civilians (was Re: That silly outdated Bill/Koresh) Summary: Tanks against Civilians (couldn't happen here... read yer history) Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 70 In article scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes: > > [ ... picking nits over tanks firing the main gun or not deleted ...] > I think the point is being missed - that it is apparantly acceptable for Big Government (Big Brother?) to use TANKS to control the people, as long as they don't use the BIG GUN (but everything else is allright...). Tanks deployed against civilians, let alone FIRING on them with crew served weaponry (a .50 Heavy Machine Gun is crew-served) is something both our press and government howl about instantly when done in some other country. Against civilians that have, at most, one-shot-at-a-time LIGHT small arms. Certainly nothing that places the people in or behind the tank in any real danger. Molotov coctails? A round from a rifle or pistol deals with anybody approaching with one of those. And ""snipers"" too often turn out to be strays from other cops/guard/army gunfire. I don't know about the other people in this group (or on the net) but the idea of tanks being used to control civilians, in anything that pretends to be a free society is outrageous. When Big Government feels it is necessary to use that kind of force to stomp out protests (even violent) of the citizens, that suggests that the government is totally out of control, since that is effectively the government declaring war on its own people. If the government was living up to its responsibility, government of the people BY THE PEOPLE, not the 'lords' and other elites who want to keep their good thing going, the citizens wouldn't feel the need to be resorting to acts that need to be squashed with a military boot. People do things like that because they have become convinced that it is the only option that remains, other attempts to have grievances redressed have been ignored. And yes, there is a criminal element that will exploit this, but the fact remains that the government has been unresponsive or such acts wouldn't be apt to happen. Still not an excuse to open up on civilians with tanks, heavy machine guns, or whatever. Its the old 'might makes right' philosophy that is the hallmark of a government going rogue: They don't like it? Tough. We will simply squash them under an iron boot. Actually addressing their grievances in other than token fashion with huge volumes of hot air is just too inconvenient... Sort of a variation on mushroom management: Keep them in the dark, Smother them with shit, and Crush them when ready... And these are the folks that many liberals are trying to arrange things so that they will have a MONOPOLY on coercive force (firearms that are than expensive toys...) by gutting the Bill of Rights (cuz it just isn't PROGRESSIVE or doesn't fit in with MODERN THINKING anymore)... Unbelievable. And I do believe amid the smoke, confusion, etc of a real riot situation, that it would be POSSIBLE for a tank to get away with firing the main gun into a building at close range? One would hear an explosion among many explosions. It is loud, but it is not going to stand out like a 1000 pound bomb or a tactical nuke. There would be a hole blown in the wall, and some rubble, but with tanks knocking over walls, and other sources of buildings turning into rubble, and other covering racket such as gunfire, including 50's tacking away, it would not stand out that much, and could be explained by ""musta been a gas leak... "". I think it could be done and not be reported under such conditions - it is POSSIBLE. It is not like a tank driving down a quiet street on a Sunday afternoon, turning and firing, you know. THAT would stand out, and be pretty impossible to cover up. >--John L. Scott -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 5560,18,"From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) Subject: Re: Representation of Territories? (Was: Re: The $11,250,000,000,000 lunch) Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX Distribution: tx Lines: 17 In article cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes: > Does anyone have knowledge about how this was handled in >the past, such as with the Louisiana Territory or the Northwest >Territory? Those areas became states. Puerto Rico has the population needed to become a state. But the ethnic mix there is such that Puerto Rico will probably never become a state. I say we cut them loose. If they don't want to become a state, we shouldn't continue to subsidize their existence. -- John F. Haugh II [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [ DoF #17 ] @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org Look up ""Ponzi Scheme"" in a good dictionary - it will have a picture of Joe Liberal Handout right next to it. Stop federal spending. Cut the deficit. " 5561,6,"From: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner) Subject: Apple IIgs Article-I.D.: gap.1qkm6lINNrc6 Distribution: usa Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu I have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell. Everything comes with original boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition. Make an offer; I'll consider anything: Apple IIgs 1 meg 3.5"" drive 13"" AppleColor RGB monitor keyboard/mouse/mousepad/dustcovers/1200 baud Applemodem/random other worthless stuff. Here's a list of the games/apps: Games: Applications: BattleChess System Disk Defender of the Crown System Tools IIGS Arkanoid II WordPerfect Bubble Ghost Appleworks Shadowgate Writer's Choice elite Balance of Power Draw Plus Marble Madness Copy II Plus Zany Golf ProTERM communications software Chessmaster 2100 If interested, contact: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu ******************************************************************************* " 5562,3,"From: volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) Subject: RE: 80486DX-50 vs 80586DX2-50 Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands Nntp-Posting-Host: itkdsh.kub.nl Lines: 19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anonymous, I saw a posting about the choice between 80486DX-50 and a 80486DX2-50. I was wondering: although a DX-50 is faster because of the path to it's external cache, shouldn't the choice be the DX2-50 as that one can be made to work properly with a local-bus? I mean, cache speed is one thing, but all your speed will be blocked during video I/O, so just get that faster... I'm willing to speculate that the DX2-50 with local-bus will be 2-4 times as fast as the DX-50 and probably as expensive (or cheap ;-)! regards, JV ///// name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ] address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/ 4847 hw teteringen _| |_ holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \ _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__ " 5563,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 9 In article , gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) writes: >[Anecedotal material which ultimately shows that...] > but from my experience, > the modern Jew is not known for his proselytism. A Rabbi once told me that theres is a talmudic tradition that someone who wanted to convert to Judaism was to be turned away three times. If they continue then they were accepted. " 5564,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 18 In article <13394@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I |> called around to more places and got quotes for less |> than 600 and 425. Liability only, of course. |> |> Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for |> only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all. |> |> So I won't go with the first place I called, that's |> fer sure. |> Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious. Hope you've got some brains now. Mike Beavington mbeaving@bnr.ca * these opinions are my own and not my companies'. " 5565,3,"From: phill@dnbf01.bram.cdx.mot.com (Phil Longstaff) Subject: WANTED: chipset info Nntp-Posting-Host: ws13.bram.cdx.mot.com Reply-To: phill@dnbf01.bram.cdx.mot.com (Phil Longstaff) Organization: Motorola Codex, Mississauga, Ontario Lines: 8 I have a 286 with an M205 motherboard. The Last Byte memory manager (which I downloaded for a trial) reports the chipset is an AddTech PCCHIP1 chipset, and it is able to activate the ram behind segments A000-FFFF, which can then be used for UMBs (except for video/BIOS). I would like to write my own driver to activate the memory. Does anyone know where I can get programming information on this chip? Phil " 5566,14,"From: freed@nss.org (Bev Freed) Subject: FAQs Organization: The NSS BBS, Pittsburgh PA (412) 366-5208 Lines: 8 I was wondering if the FAQ files could be posted quarterly rather than monthly. Every 28-30 days, I get this bloated feeling. -- Bev Freed - via FidoNet node 1:129/104 UUCP: ...!pitt!nss!freed INTERNET: freed@nss.org " 5567,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr16.141409.25036@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus. acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >>In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) w ri >>tes: >> >>>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! >> >>A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid >>is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as >>me how, I just have seen the results. >> >>Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in >>the head. > >I'm sorry about your friend. Really. But this anecdote does nothing to >justify the ""war on drugs"". If anything, it demonstrates that the ""war"" >is a miserable failure. What it demonstrates is that people will take >drugs if they want to, legal or not. Perhaps if your friend were taking >legal, regulated drugs under a doctors supervision he might not be in the >position he's in now. > I do agree with you, in a way. The war on drugs has failed, but in my opinion, that doesn't mean we have to give up. Only change the tactics. For instance, here are how some penalties should be changed. Dealing Coke -- Death Dealing Heroin -- Death Dealing Pot -- Death Dealing Crack -- Death The list goes on and on!!!...... JUST KIDDING!!! However, on a more serious note, I do believe that we should take some money away from the foriegn operations in South America and costly border interdiction efforts. (Don't think I'm going to say, ""spend it to educate people"", because I know plenty of educated dopers). Actually, spend it on things like drug treatment programs. I saw an interesting story on 60 minutes about how the British actually prescribe and addict his ""recommended"" dosage, and try to ween him off from it, or cut the amount down to levels where it is ""acceptable"". Sounds good so far from what I heard with a decrease in cost, lower addiction rates by wiping out the dealer's markets, etc. (But that was the only thing I have heard about it.) However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" cigarettes, pot and heroin. Ryan " 5568,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 26 In article hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: >In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >>If it were a sin to violate Sunday no one could >>ever be forgiven for that for Jesus never kept Sunday holy. He only >>recognized one day of the seven as holy. >Jesus also recognized other holy days, like the Passover. Acts 15 says >that no more should be layed on the Gentiles than that which is necessary. >The sabbath is not in the list, nor do any of the epistles instruct people >to keep the 7th day, while Christians were living among people who did not >keep the 7th day. It looks like that would have been a problem. >Instead, we have Scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike >(Romans 14:5) and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of >food we eat, Jewish holy days we keep, or _in regard to the sabbath. (Col. 2.) >>The >>question is ""On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the >>fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?"" >I don't think that the Sabbath, or any other command of the law is totally >irrelevant to modern Christians, but what about Collosions 2, where it says >that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath? Why are you running away from the word of Jesus? Has somebody superseded the word of Jesus? If you don't follow the morality of the Ten Commandments and the Law and the Prophets and the word of Jesus, whose morality do you follow? " 5569,13,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) Organization: The Portal System (TM) <79700@cup.portal.com> Lines: 41 A person posted certain stuff to this newsgroup, which were highly selected quotes stripped of their context. Here is the complete posting which was quoted (lacking the context of other postings in which it was made): > Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. > Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will > then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic > engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. > No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should > we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, > Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS? Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes, but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics. We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that future technology has to offer. For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid Mary. We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people with harmful memes. They should not be allowed to infect other people with their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic fields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters. " 5570,15,"From: armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong) Subject: Re: So far so good Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 22 In article luomat@alleg.edu writes: > >This may be a really dumb one, but I'll ask it anyways: > Christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of >God, right? (I may be wrong, but that is my understanding) But they still >try to do it. Doesn't it seem like we are spending all of our lives >trying to reach a goal we can never achieve? I know that we are saved by >faith and not by works, but does that mean that once we are saved we don't >have to do anything? I think James tells us that Faith without works is >dead (paraphrase). How does this work? > So long as we think that good things are what we *have* to do rather than what we come to *want* to do, we miss the point. The more we love God; the more we come to love what and whom He loves. When I find that what I am doing is not good, it is not a sign to try even harder (Romans 7:14-8:2); it is a sign to seek God. When I am aware of Jesus' presence, I usually want what He wants. It is His strenth, His love that empowers my weakness. -- Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S. Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng " 5571,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: The systematic genocide of the Muslim population by the Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 99 In article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" >(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, >but in fact is an Armenian 1/64th or 63/64th? I must congratulate your analytical and excellent reportage about Diana. From the writings of tye biographers you quoted, I can perceive, maybe chauvinistically, the remnants of her Armenian genes. Even though she is only 1/64th Armenian, she seems to have many of the strong characteristics of Armenian women. Her Armenian ancestry is traced to Eliza Kewark (an Armenian from India), who married the Scottish merchant Thedore Forbes. From the union was born Kathleen Scott Forbes, who married James Crombie from Aberdeen. They had a daughter Jane, who married David Littlejohn. Their daughter Ruth married William Gill. Ruth Silvia Gill, the grandmother of Lady Diana, married Lord Fermoy, and their daughter, Frances Ruth Burke Roache, married the eight Earl of Spencer, who was the father of Lady Diana. It is noteworthy that Eliza Kewark was also referred to as Mrs. Forbesian (a characteristic Armenian surname ending). An Armenian-Scottish gene mix is dynamite. Levon K. Topuzian Assistant Professor Northwestern University Skoie, Illinois. TIME, December 21, 1992 'Letters' >who is attempting to make any discussion of the >massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion >impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud >of confusion. You have set up straw horses and knocked them down. I'm not impressed. Anyway, the Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces, massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between 1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia today. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5572,17,"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Who should be spied on... Keywords: hypocritical pig Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 62 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: > >>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>>of those files. >>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? > >>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer >>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? > >Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war >against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is >the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals >only a few years ago. > The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*. Let me see...you're saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS should be spied on? You're also saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US, as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on? Perhaps, then, on the basis of Pollard spy case (not to mention the Rosenbergs, etc.) you think that all Jewish Americans should be spied on by the ADC. Oh, never mind; this whole spying case has obviously so convoluted your sense of right or wrong in these matters that I have no wish confuse you further. >>Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? >>Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic >>minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. > >All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti- >Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if >anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise. So the LA times reporter who had information about him sold to the South African government was involved in ""anti-Israel activity or propaganda""? Are we to infer that the simple act of reporting an event in a newspaper constitutes ""anti-Israel activity or propaganda""? Or was it South Africa? The LA times reporter was based in South Africa, after all. > > >>>Gideon Ehrlich >>-anwar >Ed. > -anwar again " 5573,16,From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 12 In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. The Dividians didn't have that option after the FBI cut off their electricity. -- Flag burners don't bother me as much as seeing the American flag on tanks assaulting the church of Americans who had never bothered anyone. 5574,1,"From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 ? Distribution: world Organization: Neptune Software Inc Lines: 23 abraxis@iastate.edu writes in article : > > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip? > Micron is selling it with their systems They rank them at 50 winmarks... > Any info would help... > thanks. It's supposedly a high-performance chip based upon workstation graphics accelerators. It's quite fast (I have 7), but as usual with new boards/chips the drivers are buggy for Windows. As far as Winmarks go, it depends upon the version. I think I got 42M winmarks with version 3.11. 2.5 yielded the 50+ number. I've also benchmarked this with Wintach at over 65 (from memory as well). As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice. It's got this quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points. It's very fast, but beware of buggy drivers, and otherwise no non-windows support. -- I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) " 5575,10,"From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Keywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH. Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu> jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: > > It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since >the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball >game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN. > The only reason ESPN showed that hockey came was because there was no other baseball game scheduled for the evening. Randy r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu > > %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* > * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % > % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * > * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % > % \ ________/ * > * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % > % \ \ Contact for the Blues * > * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % > % (___) BLUES * > *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% " 5576,17,"From: rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 4 Why do you insist on reposting the entire original post? Don't waste bandwidth, please. You know how picky us non- Jews can be. Ha Ha. :| " 5577,5,"From: weisberg@ee.rochester.edu (Jeff Weisberg) Subject: Problem: R5 server hangs on Sun3 Summary: annoying problem, server hangs Keywords: X11R5pl22, sun3, bw2, 4.1.1, gcc-2.3.3, Xsun, Vernal Equinox Organization: Univ. of Rochester, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 19 I recently compiled the X11R5pl22 sources using gcc-2.3.3 on a Sun3/80. Everything seems to work fine. Usually. But at seemingly random times the server will just hang. I will click the mouse somewhere (never happens while my back is turned), and without warning, it will freeze there, requiring the server to be killed. Sometimes it will run fine for weeks, sometimes only for minutes. (Os: 4.1.1; frame buffer: bw2). Has anyone seen this before, any ideas? (anything at all?) thanks, --jeff --- Jeff Weisberg | weisberg@ee.rochester.edu | Real Cherries, | ur-valhalla!weisberg | Watch for pits! " 5578,19,"From: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: the Polyhedron Group Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-6.uoregon.edu In article , joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote: > > I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like > this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details. > josh EXCUSE ME! I am -NOT TRYING TO BACK OUT- Josh, Maybe you should try to make an informed responce when your are trying to pack, and your references are PACKED! and someone responses like you did. (NO GRIN). Pegasus " 5579,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Adult Chicken Pox Distribution: usa Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article marcbg@feenix.metronet.com (Marc Grant) writes: >all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's >office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true? Yes. >Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox? Speed up >healing? Acyclovir started in the first 1-2 days probably speeds recovery and decreases the formation of new pox. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 5580,0,"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) Subject: Re: note to Bobby M., again Nntp-Posting-Host: nin Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.213527.3706@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > How about people who are not religous? Take the inner city. There are > many people that care little for religion. Lot of crime. Lot of > murder. This is the other end- lack of religion- that allows wrong to > happen. I lived in Tokyo for a year and a half, and one of the many reasons why I intend to go back indefinitely is the freedom one enjoys when one can walk anywhere (and I mean *anywhere*) at any time of day or night and not feel uneasy, even if one's from an ethnic minority as I was. Clues for Bobby (why do I bother?): (i) Tokyo is a city, and inner Tokyo is an inner city; (ii) there is a negligible level of violent crime, and a street murder will be a lead item on *national* TV news; (iii) the population is almost universally atheistic. Next time I go for a stroll around Beirut at night, I'll let you know how it compares. > Bobby Mozumder Cheers Simon -- Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. " 5581,12,"From: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Reply-To: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Organization: Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 21 alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > > Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al > > Dial 511 and it sound tell you the number. --- skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada " 5582,4,"From: twillis@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas E Willis) Subject: PB questions... Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 36 well folks, my mac plus finally gave up the ghost this weekend after starting life as a 512k way back in 1985. sooo, i'm in the market for a new machine a bit sooner than i intended to be... i'm looking into picking up a powerbook 160 or maybe 180 and have a bunch of questions that (hopefully) somebody can answer: * does anybody know any dirt on when the next round of powerbook introductions are expected? i'd heard the 185c was supposed to make an appearence ""this summer"" but haven't heard anymore on it - and since i don't have access to macleak, i was wondering if anybody out there had more info... * has anybody heard rumors about price drops to the powerbook line like the ones the duo's just went through recently? * what's the impression of the display on the 180? i could probably swing a 180 if i got the 80Mb disk rather than the 120, but i don't really have a feel for how much ""better"" the display is (yea, it looks great in the store, but is that all ""wow"" or is it really that good?). could i solicit some opinions of people who use the 160 and 180 day-to-day on if its worth taking the disk size and money hit to get the active display? (i realize this is a real subjective question, but i've only played around with the machines in a computer store breifly and figured the opinions of somebody who actually uses the machine daily might prove helpful). * how well does hellcats perform? ;) thanks a bunch in advance for any info - if you could email, i'll post a summary (news reading time is at a premium with finals just around the corner... :( ) -- Tom Willis \ twillis@ecn.purdue.edu \ Purdue Electrical Engineering --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."" - F. W. Nietzsche " 5583,14,"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Distribution: sci Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca Lines: 20 In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: >In article <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) writes: > > In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > > If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next > >one should be called 'Smiley'. > > Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt > object discovered last year, is known as Smiley. > >As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was >Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course, >but I think they might let this one slide... Gee, I feel so ignorant now... Research, then post. James Nicoll " 5584,7,"From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 17 Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I'm plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000. My car has 11,500 miles on it and is a '92 model. The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a '91 model with 23,000miles on it. It has a T-Bar Roof, a/c, and an airbag, which my Sentra does not have. They are asking for $1500. Is that a fair deal? The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not seem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical engine. I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine to it's limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000's engine is a little ""tight."" So, if I buy the NX2000 and ""excercise"" it well, should that slight power problem go away? Any advice on this will be much appreciated. Thanks. Please reply via e-mail if possible. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. ""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" " 5585,13,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Science is not mere methodology. Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 85 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >-*----- >I wrote: >>> ... Or, to use a phrasing that I think is more accurate, science >>> is the investigation of phenomena that avoids methods and reasoning >>> that are known to be erroneous from past foul-ups. > >In article bd@psych.psy.uq.oz.au writes: >> I can agree with this if you are talking about the less fundamental >> aspects of scientific method. ... > ... >> ... In fact, I don't see the alternative, as I don't think that the >> fundamentals are capable of experimental investigation. In saying >> this I am agreeing with the work of people like Kuhn (1970), >> Feyerabend (1981) and Lakatos (1972). > .... >While methodology cannot be subject to the same kind of ""experimental >investigation,"" as that to which it is applied, it *can* be critically >appraised. Methodologies can be compared to each other, sometimes by >the conflicting results they produce. This kind of critical appraisal >and comparison, together with the inappropriateness of existing >methodologies for new fields of study, is what drives the evolution of >methodologies and how we think about them. As usual, you are missing the whole point, Russell, because you are not willing to even consider questionning your basic article of faith, which is that science is merely a matter of methodology and that the highest purpose of science is to avoid making mistakes. This is like saying that the most important aspect of business management is accurate bookkeeping. If science were no more than methodology and not making mistakes, it would be a poor thing indeed. What was the methodology of Darwin? What was the methodology of Einstein? What was, for that matter, the methodology of Jenner and Pasteur? In an earlier article, Russell Turpin writes: >None of the foregoing should be read as meaning that we should >open the door to practitioners of quackery and psuedo-science. >Modern advocates of homeopathy, chiropracty, and traditional >Chinese medicine receive little respect because, for the most >part, they use methods and reasoning that the kind of research >Lee Lady recommends has shown to be terribly faulty. (This does >*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does* >imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are >incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and >which are not.) First of all, I think you are arguing against a straw man, because I don't think that anyone here is arguing that quackery, pseudo-science, homeopathy, chiropracty, and traditional Chinese medicine should be accepted as science. I, in particular, think the basic ideas of homeopathy and chiropracty seem extremely flaky. What some of us do believe, however, is that some of these things (including some of the flaky ideas) are deserving of serious scientific attention. If in fact it were true, as you have stated above, that those who do not use the currently fashionable methodology can have no idea what is effective and what is not, then science today would not exist. For all of current science is based on the past work of scientists whose methodology, by current standards, was seriously flawed. It is certainly true that as methodology improves, we need to re-examine those results derived in the past using less perfect methodologies. It is also true that the results obtained by people today who still rely on those early methodologies needs to be re-examined in a more rigorous fashion by those qualified to do so credibly. But to say that nobody who fails to do elaborate double-blind studies is capable of knowing their ass from a hole in the ground and to say that no ideas that come from outside the scientific establishment could possibly be worthy of serious investigation ... this truly marks one's attitude as doctrinaire, cultist. This attitude is not compatible with a belief in reason. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet " 5586,9,"From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Nntp-Posting-Host: koufax.cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.001211.18457@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: |> In article <1993Apr14.200649.12578@pts.mot.com> ep502dn@pts.mot.com writes: |> >This certainly passes the ""common sense test"" for me, but is there any |> >statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what |> >percent is fielding? |> |> Not yet; I wish there were. It's much more difficult to tease these apart |> than to tease apart scoring runs and preventing runs. And thus, we come to one of the true beauties of baseball; these things, along with many others will never be separated. Almost *everything* in baseball is situational and interdependent. This is what allows us to carry on all the arguments that we have. If everything could be explained and balanced on a statistical basis, none of the wonder and mystery would be left. Why we might have to resort to just going out the ballyard and enjoy the game itself. --->Paul, feeling a little anti-stathead today -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula@koufax.cv.hp.com Paul Andresen Hewlett-Packard (503)-750-3511 home: 3006 NW McKinley Corvallis, OR 97330 (503)-752-8424 A SABR member since 1979 " 5587,4,"From: bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT > When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, > particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines > appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open > windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a > window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away > the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not > observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple > monitor with 256 colors is used. > > I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has > been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. etc. Has anyone NOT had these problems in the given configurations? (that would help eliminate design flaw as the explanation) " 5588,7,"From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: CDAC, WA Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr14.130427.21349@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes: > >In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes: >|> Hello, >|> >|> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine >|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind >|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! >|> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable >|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too >|> tight, is it safe without oil leak? >|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson I would suggest you take the car to the nearest Chevron dealer, with your own oil and filter. Ask for an oil change. It will cost less than $10. Watch him/her do it. Just from watching someone do a job, you will be able to learn and remember the sequence, and do it right when you do it yourself the next time. Besides, when he/she loosens the drain nut, the next time around it will be easier for you. If it is stuck, use an impact wrench. Not too much force though. Use a new washer each time you put the nut back..... -S ssave@ole.cdac.com " 5589,3,"From: iisakkil@lk-hp-22.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila) Subject: Re: DX3/99 In-Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us's message of 5 Apr 93 23:53:00 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-22.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 16 robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) writes: >I heard the rumor as well, but the story differed. Intel was not coming >out with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was. No rumour, IBM's clock tripling chip was seen in some trade show last fall (COMDEX or something, I wasn't there). All you people who are drooling after this chip do realize that it has no FPU, just like 486SX, that Evil Marketing Ploy(tm) from Intel, don't you? It has 16K of internal cache, which probably is where the saved silicon real estate went. Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its 486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become available in any non-IBM machines. Of course, nothing prevents other companies from implementing a DX3/99, but nobody hasn't even come out with a real 486DX (FPU and all) clone yet (although AMD soon will). -- Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software " 5590,12,"From: ddr@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Donald D Rice) Subject: Heavy-duty antenna simulation software Nntp-Posting-Host: flux.isr.alaska.edu Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK Lines: 21 I would be interested in hearing from anyone who knows of good software for antenna simulation, particularly in source form suitable for Unix workstations (though good PC software would also be of interest). I'm aware of the numerous mininec mutations, and have been using MN for some time now. I'm primarily interested in HF, VHF, and low UHF (< 500 MHz) designs, mostly wire antennas, but for thick wires and mesh surfaces as well as for your basic thin wire assumption. Is anything interesting happening with NEC itself? I've seen a version that was mutilated to run (sort of) under Microsoft Fortran, but I'm not sure how many ""new and improved"" versions of the code might be out there somewhere. I'd also be interested in non-NEC derivatives. The ones I've seen have been aimed at microwave applications, but if there is something out there useful at the lower frequencies, I'd like to know about it. Thanks, -- Don Rice E-mail: ddr@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Internet) Geophysical Institute fnddr@alaska (BITNET) University of Alaska flux::ddr (SPAN) Fairbanks, AK 99775 Phone: (907) 474-7569 Loran: 64.86N 212.16E " 5591,11,"From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 25 In article brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: [...]> >The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, >would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You [...]> >Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences >of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse >than the consequences of a secret backup. If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have secure crypto. If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have no crypto. Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better than secure crypto. If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, then the government will just have to use normal law enforcement techniques to catch crooks. Is this so bad? BTW, bugging isn't YET a normal law enforcement technique. With the privacy clipper, it WILL become a normal technique. /Jim -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ (--)\ " 5592,8,"From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.071740.17850@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes: >BA were trying to sell RR to BMW - even tested a BMW V16 in a Corniche!! I >think it will remain British for the time being - until BA get hard up >anyway! Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" " 5593,10,"From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) Subject: Re: Barasso - the cheap shot master? Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto Lines: 27 Robert Angelo Pleshar writes: >After watching the Pengiuns all year (and as many other teams as >possible), I've really noticed an increase in Tom Barasso's cheap shots >this year (and not noticed a corrsponding increase with other >goaltenders). Have a look at Ed Belfour. >He also KICKED John McLean. Of >course he wasn't called for that. Belfour kicked Gerrard Gallant when the Wings played the 'Hawks a couple of weeks ago. No penalty. No review. No suspension. This was after he attacked Bob Probert in the previous period. He was penalized for that. >There's no doubt in >my mind that Barasso is the dirtiest golatender since Hextall. >He's also very good. Likewise Belfour. Too bad he goes down so much! :-) >Ralph Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu) " 5594,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 35 In article thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes: : : : 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or : talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY : : 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. : : 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup ; : We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil : goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to : let's say 1000 people ???? : : : Thomas Parsli And everybody who talked about the evil arising in Europe was labeled reactionary in the late 1930's... after all, we could negotiate with Hitler and trust him to keep his end of the bargain... at least that's what Stalin and Chamberlin thought... I guess they forgot to teach you about your country being overrun by the Germans in WWII, 'eh Thomas? And I'm sorry you consider outrage at government excesses to be ####... Everytime the Israelis conduct a mass operation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and soldiers, the world gets indignant, but it's ok for the US to assault it's own citizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and hoarding weapons... I find it real ironic this happened the same day Al Gore arrived in Poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the Warsaw Ghetto where the same 'justifications' were raised for an armed assault by black-clad troops with armor support... -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 5595,11,"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Why the algorithm is secret Distribution: na Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Lines: 15 My thoughts on why the algorithm is secret : The chip is (regretably) likely to become a standard. There will be many applications where economic factors dictate use of this chip, like it or not. If the alrogithm is public, and the code is as secure (absent the access to escrowed keys) as represented, an enterprising sort would make ""compatible crypto chips for which no key had been escrowed"". This is likely what the release was refering to when they refered to the secrecy of the algorithm protecting the security of the escrow system. rob boudrie " 5596,19,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr5.165709.4347@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>But there is a base of true absolute morality that we can stand on. > >Note that if the majority of people remain unconvinced, this idea >probably isn't worth very much in a pragmatic sense. Maybe not to you. But to those who stand on this base, He is precious. Link " 5597,13,"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: quality control in medicine Summary: Kaiser has been doing it for a while Article-I.D.: pegasus.1993Apr22.221508.10196 Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu Lines: 14 In article <93108.003258U19250@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >Does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total > quality management, quality control, quality assurance in the delivery of > health care service. I would appreciate any information. If there is enough >interest, I will post the responses. > Thank You > Abhin Singla MS BioE, MBA, MD > President AC Medcomp Inc Dr Singla, you might contact Kaiser Health Plan either in the area closest to you or at the central office in Oakland CA. We have been doing QA, QoS, concurrent UR, and TQM for some time now in the Hawaii Region, and I suspect it is nationwide in the system. Len Howard MD " 5598,16,"Subject: Re: Cop kills teenager From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 43 .ACNS.ColoState.EDU> holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > SUSPENDED POLICE OFFICER ARRESTED IN REVENGE TRIPLE HOMICIDE > >PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) -- A police officer afraid he would be fired for >allegedly assaulting a teen-ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth >worked, said ""You're going to die"" and fatally shot him and two others, police >said. >A fourth youth was wounded. A fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car. >Suspended police officer Robert Sabetta, 23, of Cranston, was arrested at >gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at Wilson's Auto Enterprises in >Foster, a rural town of about 4,000 people in northwest Rhode Island. > Doug Holland > I think I have updated info on this. My understandingis that former officer Cranston approached a teenager who was being questioned by another officer. Officer Cranston struck Teenager A in the head with a heavy police flashlight, causing a significant, though not life-threatening. THere is no evidence that Teenager A was doing anything threatening at the time. Teenager A was released on bail/recognizance and filed a formal complaint against Officer Cranston. The Police Chief suspended Cranston pending an investigation into the use of excessive force. The above is pretty clear... but what seems to have happened is this. The Chief requested Cranston's gun, but Cranston refused to turn it over until the Chief went the Cranston's home to get it. Sources said Cranston had always wanted to be a cop and was very afraid of loosing his job because of the complaint against him. A few days afterward, Cranston allegedly walked into Wilson's Garage, where Teenager A and friends were known to hang out and work on cars as a hobby. Cranston fatally shot Teenager A as well as TEenagers B and C. Teenager D was shot once in the shoulder/chest. Teenager E was working under the car and was not noticed by Officer Cranston. Teenager D went to a home and summoned police, who went to Wilson's Garage and found the 3 corpses and one unscathed survivor. A few days after his arrest, Officer Cranston attemped to commit suicide in his cell. -Case Kim " 5599,7,"From: rts@nwu.edu (Ted Schreiber) Subject: Opinions on recent Alfa Spiders Nntp-Posting-Host: mac178.mech.nwu.edu Organization: Mechanical Engineering Lines: 15 Anyone have any opinions on fairly recent model Alfa Spiders ( 86-> ) Reliablilty for what their class ( I'm not talking Alfa vs. Toyota corrola which is more relaible ) As far as I can discern, in recent years, there are 3 levels with all basically the same mechanical aspects. Please email any responses Ted Schreiber Mechanical Enginering Northwestern University Tel: 708.491.5386 FAX 708.491.3915 Email: rts@nwu.edu " 5600,2,"From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) Subject: comm.drv replacement Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 15 There was a recent post about a BBS where you could download a replacement for comm.drv (Win 3.x) that fixed a lot of the problems with high-speed modems. Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get it? Thanks, Alec Lee +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Alec Lee aslee@diana.cair.du.edu (303) 871-5744 | | alee@cs.du.edu | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | ""Sexy? But what's wrong with being sexy"" | | - Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 5601,0,"From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu Keywords: Dan Bissell bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. Anyone who dies for a ""cause"" runs the risk of dying for a lie. As for people being able to tell if he was a liar, well, we've had grifters and charlatans since the beginning of civilization. If David Copperfield had been the Messiah, I bet he could have found plenty of believers. Jesus was hardly the first to claim to be a faith healer, and he wasn't the first to be ""witnessed."" What sets him apart? > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. Rubbish. Nations have followed crazies, liars, psychopaths, and megalomaniacs throughout history. Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Khomeini, Qadaffi, Stalin, Papa Doc, and Nixon come to mind...all from this century. Koresh is a non-issue. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Take a discrete mathematics or formal logic course. There are flaws in your logic everywhere. And as I'm sure others will tell you, read the FAQ! > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. Of course, you have to believe the Bible first. Just because something is written in the Bible does not mean it is true, and the age of that tome plus the lack of external supporting evidence makes it less credible. So if you do quote from the Bible in the future, try to back up that quote with supporting evidence. Otherwise, you will get flamed mercilessly. > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the >same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes >time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >ourselves. Just like weight lifting or guitar playing, eh? I don't know how you define the world ""total,"" but I would imagine a ""total sacrafice [sp] of everything for God's sake"" would involve more than a time commitment. You are correct about our tendency to ""box everything into time units."" Would you explain HOW one should involove God in sports and (hehehe) television? -- --- __ _______ --- ||| Kevin Marshall \ \/ /_ _/ Computer Science Department ||| ||| Virginia Tech \ / / / marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ||| --- Blacksburg, Virginia \/ /_/ (703) 232-6529 --- " 5602,13,"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 45 In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >>In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: > >Good grief again. > >Why the anger? I must have really touched a raw nerve. > >Let's see: I had symptoms that resisted all other treatments. Sporanox >totally alleviated them within one week. Hmmm, I must be psychotic. Yesss! >That's it - my illness was all in my mind. Thanks Steve for your correct >diagnosis - you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches, >treating hundreds of patients a week. Thank you. I'm forever in your >debt. > >Jon > >(oops, gotta run, the men in white coats are ready to take me away, haha, >to the happy home, where I can go twiddle my thumbs, basket weave, and >moan about my sinuses.) Ever heard of something called the placebo effect? I think Dyer is reacting because it looks to be yet another case of the same old quackery over and over again. It true that current medical knowledge is limited, but do you realize just HOW MANY quacks exist eager to suck your $$$$. It's playing the lottery at best. If the results you got were so clear and obvious, would you mind trying a little experiment to see if it is true? It would be quite simple. Have sugar pills and have real pills. Take one set for one week and the other set for another week without knowing which ones are the real pills. Then at the end of the 2 weeks compare the results. Let's say you're wife would know which are the real ones. If what you are experiencing is true there should be a marked difference between each week. john -- John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ " 5603,10,"From: stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy) Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey Article-I.D.: dev-null.1praf3INNj2s Organization: Penn State, Null Device Department Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: dev-null.phys.psu.edu In article <91548@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >>>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 >>>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? >>>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your >>>> jokes:-)! >>> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... >>If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the >>origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding. > > What about his rectum? It's bad jokes like that which draws crohns, I mean groans from the crowd... Don't bother looking it up in the appendix, it's useless anyway. Just one more word of advice... If you go to a Miami game, stay away from any foods made with ""natural casings"" :) -- __-----__ _______________________ / _______ \ / \ |_// \/ \ \_| / Hockey! Hockey! Hockey! \ /__|O||O|__U\ \ Joy! Joy! Joy! / |/_ \_/\_/ _U | \_______________________/ | | (____) | || // Stimpson J Kat \/\___/\__/ // // stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (_/ _5_ ~~~| // nagy@physci.psu.edu | \*/ |\/ nagy@cs.psu.edu \___v_____/_/ nagy@crayola.cs.psu.edu \____/---// nagy@love-shack.com __|| _----- and oh yeah... (____(____) GGN100@psuvm.[psu.edu,bitnet] ~~~~ ~~~~ " 5604,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) Article-I.D.: optilink.15236 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr2.055109.5833@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes: > In article <1993Mar31.224355.21442@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: # #The argument that ""slavery was a dying institution"" was often made by # ^^^ # (IS) # # #historians, mainly Southerners, who sought to divert attention from the # #institution as the central issue of the Civil War. In fact, however, # #the argument is specious, at best. More recent scholarship from the # #last 20-30 years demonstrates rather conclusively that the cotton/sugar/ # #tobacco economy and its reliance on slavery was increasingly dominant in # #the South prior to the Civil War. # # This is because the South did not receive the massive momentum of capital # intensive growth that the Northern states did. Compare the Northern # agricultural system with the Southern and you will see a major difference # in the capital to labor intensity. Capital and labor are one and the same in a slave economy. Except that capital doesn't reproduce quite as readily as slaves did. Slavery was a dying institution before the cotton gin, yes, but not in 1850. # #It is true that cotton suffered from price depression in the 1840's - # #the period used to claim that slavery would not have lasted in the # #South. # # That is not the argument that I have heard. It would not have lasted because # the growth in the North would not have been sustained for much longer without # spilling over to the Southern states, i.e. Northern industry would have # migrated capital to the Southern states, and with that would have come # immigrant labor to the ports of the South, e.g. Charleston, Savannah, Mobile, # New Orleans, etc. This would have put the breaks on the slave market and # slavery would have been out-moded by the capital intensity of competing # agriculturalists. Those that insisted on keeping slaves because of their # ""Cruel Hearts and Hatred for Black People"" would have been driven out of # business. Simple capital to labor ratio...read Michael Parkin _Microeconomics_ # 2nd edition, and any other basic economics book. This assumes that the slave holder dominance over state governments would not have caused the passage of laws to keep out capital from the North. Since slave holders were prepared to do almost anything else to destroy free markets in order to maintain slavery, I do not doubt that they would have passed laws to cripple any serious competitive threat. Thomas Sowell's _Market and Minorities_ argues that the maintenance of slavery, and the costs it imposed on state and local governments, discouraged not only capital formation, but also outside capital investment in the Southern states. # Craig A. Depken, II -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 5605,0,"From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: islamic authority [sic] over women X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 62 who: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) what: with: rush@leland.Stanford.EDU what: <1993Apr5.050524.9361@leland.Stanford.EDU> >>> Other readers: I just joined, but is this guy for real? >>> I'm simply amazed. KR> ""Sadly yes. Don't loose any sleep over Old 'Zlumber. Just KR> have some fun with him, but he is basically harmless. KR> At least, if you don't work in NY city."" I don't find it hard to believe that ""Ole 'Zlumber"" really believes the hate and ignorant prattle he writes. The frightening thought is, there are people even worse than he! To say that feminism equals ""superiority"" over men is laughable as long as he doesn't then proceed to pick up a rifle and start to shoot women as a preemptive strike--- aka the Canada slaughter that occured a few years ago. But then, men killing women is nothing new. Islamic Fundamentalists just have a ""better"" excuse (Qu'ran). from the Vancouver Sun, Thursday, October 4, 1990 by John Davidson, Canadian Press MONTREAL-- Perhaps it's the letter to the five-year old daughter that shocks the most. ""I hope one day you will be old enough to understand what happened to your parents,"" wrote Patrick Prevost. ""I loved your mother with a passion that went as far as hatred."" Police found the piece of paper near Prevost's body in his apartment in northeast Montreal. They say the 39-year-old mechanic committed suicide after killing his wife, Jocelyne Parent, 31. The couple had been separated for a month and the woman had gone to his apartment to talk about getting some more money for food. A violent quarrel broke out and Prevost attacked his wife with a kitchen knife, cutting her throat, police said. She was only the latest of 13 women slain by a husband or lover in Quebec in the last five weeks. Five children have also been slain as a result of the same domestic ""battles."" Last year in Quebec alone, 29 [women] were slain by their husbands. That was more than one-third of such cases across Canada, according to statistics from the Canadian Centre for Justice. [rest of article ommited] Then to say that women are somehow ""better"" or ""should"" be the one to ""stay home"" and raise a child is also laughable. Women have traditionally done hard labor to support a family, often more than men in many cultures, throughout history. Seems to me it takes at least two adults to raise a child, and that BOTH should stay home to do so! --- Maximus 2.01wb " 5606,4,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Please help find video hardware Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqf9oINN88e Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ] [ Author was Gordon Lang ] [ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ] [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ] [ Author was Gordon Lang ] [ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ] I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. Please email and or post any leads.... Gordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com) " 5607,3,"From: ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Kevin Kimmell - Computer Science/German Undergrad) Subject: HOW is a Null Modem Cable? Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 13 I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null modem cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last statement.) What I'm asking is what pins does it use (or what are it's specifications?) I just want to solder one myself instead of buying one. I don't even know what port is used. Help me please (at ke_kimmell@vax.cns.muskingum.edu) Kevin p.s. I'm intending to use the cable for PC-to-PC transfers (via Lap-Link or Telix. Ideas and info gladly accepted.) " 5608,11,"From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (3 of 3) Supersedes: Organization: TMP Enterprises Lines: 1201 Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Notes on the use, history, and value of anonymous Usenet posting and email remailing services X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04 Archive-name: net-privacy/part3 Last-modified: 1993/3/3 Version: 2.1 NOTES on ANONYMITY on the INTERNET ================================== Compiled by L. Detweiler . <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? * * * _____ <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? Currently the most stable of anonymous remailing and posting sites is anon.penet.fi operated by julf@penet.fi for several months, who has system adminstrator privileges and owns the equipment. Including anonymized mail, Usenet posting, and return addresses (no encryption). Send mail to help@penet.fi for information. Hal Finney has contributed an instruction manual for the cypherpunk remailers on the ftp site soda.berkeley.edu (128.32.149.19): pub/cypherpunks/hal's.instructions. See also scripts.tar.Z (UNIX scripts to aid remailer use) and anonmail.arj (MSDOS batch files to aid remailer use). ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ----------------------------- Anonymized mail. Request information from above address. elee7h5@rosebud.ee.uh.edu ------------------------- Experimental anonymous remailer run Karl Barrus , with encryption to the server. Request information from that address. hal@alumni.caltech.edu ---------------------- Experimental remailer with encryption to server and return addresses. Request information from above address. hh@soda.berkeley.edu hh@cicada.berkeley.edu hh@pmantis.berkeley.edu ---------------------- Experimental remailer. Include header `Request-Remailing-To'. nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ---------------------- Experimental remailer allowing one level of chaining. Run by Chael Hall. Request information from above address. phantom@mead.u.washington.edu ----------------------------- Experimental remailer with encryption to server. `finger' site address for information. Notes ===== - Cypherpunk remailers tend to be unstable because they are often running without site administrator knowledge. Liability issues are wholly unresolved. - So far, all encryption is based on public-key cryptography and PGP software (see the question on cryptography). - Encryption aspects (message text, destination address, replies) vary between sites. - Multiple chaining, alias unlinking, and address encryption are mostly untested, problematic, or unsupported at this time. _____ <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? Users ----- - Use anonymity only if you have to. Frivolous uses weaken the seriousness and usefulness of the capability for others. - Do not use anonymity to provoke, harass, or threaten others. - Do not hide behind anonymity to evade established conventions on Usenet, such as posting binary pictures to regular newsgroups. - If posting large files, be attentive to bandwidth considerations. Remember, simply sending the posting to the service increases network traffic. - Avoid posting anonymously to the regular hierarchy of Usenet; this is the mostly likely place to alienate readers. The `alt' hierarchy is preferred. - Give as much information as possible in the posting (i.e. references, etc.) Remember that content is the only means for readers to judge the truth of the message, and that any inaccuracies will tend to discredit the entire message and even future ones under the same handle. - Be careful not to include information that will reveal your identity or enable someone to deduce it. Test the system by sending anonymized mail to yourself. - Be aware of the policies of the anonymous site and respect them. Be prepared to forfeit your anonymity if you abuse the privilege. - Be considerate and respectful of other's objections to anonymity. - ``Hit-and-run'' anonymity should be used with utmost reservation. Use services that provide anonymous return addresses instead. - Be courteous to the system operator, who may have invested large amounts of time, be personally risking his account, or dedicating his hardware, all for your convenience. Operators --------- - Document thoroughly acceptable and unacceptable uses in an introductory file that is sent to new users. Have a coherent and consistent policy and stick to it. State clearly what logging and monitoring is occurring. Describe your background, interest, and security measures. Will the general approach be totalitarian or lassaiz-faire? - Formulate a plan for problematic ethical situations and anticipate potentially intense moral quandaries and dilemmas. What if a user is blackmailing someone through your service? What if a user posts suicidal messages through your service? Remember, your users trust you to protect them. - In the site introductory note, give clear examples of situations where you will take action and what these actions will be (e.g. warn the user, limit anonymity to email or posting only, revoke the account, 'out' the user, contact local administrator, etc.) - Describe exactly the limitations of the software and hardware. Address the bandwidth limitations of your site. Report candidly and thoroughly all bugs that have occurred. Work closely with users to isolate and fix bugs. Address all bugs noted below under ``(in)stability of anonymity''. - Document the stability of the site---how long has it been running? What compromises have occured? Why are you running it? What is your commitment to it? - Include a disclaimer in outgoing mail and messages. Include an address for complaints, ideally appended to every outgoing item. Consult a lawyer about your liability. - Be committed to the long-term stability of the site. Be prepared to deal with complaints and `hate mail' addressed to you. If you do not own the hardware the system runs on or are not the system adminstrator, consult those who do and are. - Be considerate of providing anonymity to various groups. If possible, query group readers. - Keep a uniformity and simplicity of style in outgoing message format that can be screened effectively by kill files. Ensure the key text `Anon' is somewhere in every header. - Take precautions to ensure the security of the server from physical and network-based attacks and infiltrations. Readers ------- - Do not complain, attack, or discredit a poster for the sole reason that he is posting anonymously, make blanket condemnations that equate anonymity with cowardice and criminality, or assail anonymous traffic in general for mostly neutral reasons (e.g. its volume is heavy or increasing). - React to the anonymous information unemotionally. Abusive posters will be encouraged further if they get irrationally irate responses. Sometimes the most effective response is silence. - Notify operators if very severe abuses occur, such as piracy, harassment, extortion, etc. - Do not complain about postings being inappropriate because they offend you personally. - Use kill files to screen anonymous postings if you object to the idea of anonymity itself. - Avoid the temptation to proclaim that all anonymous postings should be barred from particular groups because no `possible' or `conceivable' need exists. References ---------- See e.g. ftp.eff.org:/pub/academic/anonymity: > This article is an excerpt from an issue of FIDONEWS on individual > privacy and the use of handles. It accepts the need of a system > operator to know the name of a user; but suggests that the use of > a handle is analogous to a request to withhold the name in a > letter to the editor. The article concludes with a set of > guidelines for preserving the right to be anonymous. _____ <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? James Thomas Green : > Try putting this in your kill file: > > /Anon/h:j > /Anonymous/h:j > > This will search the headers of the messages and kill any that > contain `Anon' or `Anonymous' in them. Not perfect and won't > kill followups. Note that anonymous server operators have the capability to mask anonymous postings under which the above method will not work; so far this practice is not widespread, but it may become more common as a countermeasure to widespread anonymous filtering. _____ <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? Originally anonymous posting services were introduced for individual, particularly volatile newsgroups, where anonymity is almost the preferred method of communication, such as talk.abortion and alt.sex.bondage. One of the first was one by Dave Mack started in ~1988 for alt.sex.bondage. Another early one was wizvax.methuen.ma.us run by Stephanie Gilgut (Gilgut Enterprises) but was disbanded due to lack of funds. The system provided anonymous return addresses. n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) took up the functions of this server, including reinstating the anonymous alias file. The group ``alt.personals has been chewing through servers like there's no tomorrow.'' Spurred by the disappearance of `wizvax' and interested in researching the idea, Karl Kleinpaste developed his own system from scratch in six hours. By this time the idea of extending the server to new, more `mainstream' groups was starting to emerge, and he explored the possibility partly at the specific request by multiple users for anonymity in other groups. ``The intended advantage of my system was specifically to allow multiple group support, with a single anon identifier across all. This was arguably the single biggest deficiency of previous anon systems.'' K. Kleinpaste posted a message on rec.nude asking users whether an anonymous service would be welcome there, and judged a consensus against it. K. Kleinpaste introduced what he calls a ``fire extinguisher'' to `squelch' or `plonk' abusive users in response to complaints, and used this in three cases. Nevertheless, after a few months of intense traffic he was eventually overwhelmed by the abuses of his server. ``Even as restricted as it was, my system was subjected to abuses to the point where it was ordered dismantled by the facilities staff here. Such abuses started right after it was created.'' In ~Nov 1992, Johan Helsingius (julf@penet.FI) set up the most controversial anonymous site to date. anon.penet.fi is based on scripts and C code written by K. Kleinpaste and supports anonymized mail, posting, and return addresses. He initially wanted to confine the service to Scandinavian users but expanded it to worldwide accessability in response to 'lots' of international requests. J. Helsingius policy of allowing anonymous posting to every Usenet newsgroup has been met with strong and serious ideological opposition (e.g. by news adminstrators in news.admin.policy). Because of the relative newness and recent emergence of the medium, abuses by anonymous posters tend to have higher visibility than ``routine'' abuses. His total commitment to preservation of anonymity is also controversial. For example, in a highly controversial and publicized case in ~Feb 1993, an anonymous user posted a supposed transcript of desperate crew dialogue during the Challenger shuttle disaster via anon.penet.fi to sci.astro. Despite that the transcript had been posted in the same place up to a year earlier (then non-anonymously) and actually originated not with the poster but a New York news tabloid, subsequent responses consisted largely of vociferous outrage at the poster's use of anonymity, reverberating through many newsgroups. The original poster, using the same anonymous handle, later conceded that the story ``seemed likely to have been fabricated,'' suggesting the plausible possibility that the original intent was not to provoke outrage but gauge reactions on the authenticity of the story (albeit crudely), free of personal risk from perceived association with the item. The ensuing commotion generated queries for the original article by late-entering readers. The anonymous user later posted deliberately offensive comments at his detractors. Despite piercingly irate and outraged complaints, and even the vocal opposition and verbal abuse of K. Kleinpaste and eminent news operators, J. Helsingius has largely avoided use of the ``fire extingisher'' and the ``group bouncer'' mechanisms that limit the scope of the service. As of ~March 1993 the anon.penet.fi site is best described as `inundated': it has registered over 13,000 users in its initial three months of operation, forwards ~3000 messages a day, and approximately 5% of all Usenet postings are anonymized through the site. The immense popularity is probably largely due to the capability for `global' anonymity which has allowed users to find creative uses in diverse areas not previously envisioned. Johan Helsingius has been subject to extraordinary pressure to dismantle his server in ~Feb 1993. At one point K. Kleinpaste threatened publicly to organize a sort of vigilante group of irate news operators to send out revocation commands on all messages originating from the site. J. Helsingius has also alluded to threats of flooding the server. The server has crashed several times, at least once due to a saturation `mailbombing' through it by an anonymous user. Mr. Helsingius reports spending up to 5 hours per day answering email requests alone associated with the service's administration. In response to the serious threats he disabled global group access temporarily for one week and encouraged his users to defend the service publicly. Based on fast-moving dialogue and creative suggestions by ``cypherpunks,'' J. Helsingius has identified many security weaknesses and valuable new features for the service, and is currently in the process of code development and testing. He is planning on upgrading the IBM compatible 386 machine to a 486 soon to handle the voluminous load and is considering integrating a new system with very sophisticated functionality, including multiple email aliases, alias allocation control, public-key encryption, etc. A very sophisticated anonymous posting system was set up in Dec. 1992 by D. Clunie that used cryptography in both directions (to/from) the server for the highest degree of confidentiality seen so far. However, it was running on a public access account, and he had to shut it down after only several weeks, upon receiving requests and conditions apparently ultimately originating from NSF representatives. D. Clunie has released the software to the public domain. Recently the idea of a newsgroup devoted to `whistleblowing' on government abuses has received wide and focused attention, and group formation is currently underway. In the basic scenario the group would allow people to post pseudonymously using remailers, and even establish reputations based on their authentifiable digital signatures. The traffic may eventually reach reporters in the mainstream news media. deltorto@aol.com has volunteered to attack multiple aspects of this project, including distributing easy-to-read documentation on posting, anonymization, and encryption. See also sections on ``views on anonymous posting'' below and ``what is going on with anon.penet.fi?'' in this document. (Thanks to Carl Kleinpaste , David Clunie and Johan Helsingius for contributions here.) _____ <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET: > I think anonymous posts do help in focusing our attention on the > content of one's message. Sure lot of anonymous posts are abusive > or frivolous but in most cases these are by users who find the > anon facility novel. Once the novelty wears off they are stopping > their pranks... morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan): > I don't mind seeing the miscellaneous hatred/prejudice/racism; > those things are part of our nature. However, the notion of > providing anonymity's shield for these ideas repulses me. If > they have such strong feelings, why can't they put their name(s) > on their postings? ... Quite frankly, I loathe communication > with people who refuse to use their names. dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) > Many seem to question the value of anonymity. But who are they to > say what risks another individual should take ? There is no > question that in this rather conservative society that we live > in, holding certain views, making certain statements, adopting a > certain lifestyle, are likely to result in public censure, > ridicule, loss of status, employment, or even legal action. Given > the heterogeneity of the legal jurisdictions from where the many > contributors to usenet post, who knows what is legal and what is > not ! Some say that anonymous posters are ""cowards"" and should > stand up and be counted. Perhaps that is one point of view but > what right do these detractors have to exercise such censorship ? From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) > Why is it censorship to not expect someone to speak for > themselves, without the cloak of anonymity. This is at best a > lame argument. > > You tell me why what you have to say requires anonymity. And you > tell me why the wishes of a majority of non-anonymous users of a > newsgroup should be disregarded when they don't want anonymous > posts. > > Anonymous users have LESS rights than any others. They are not > legitimate usenet participants. I would not honor RFDs, CFVs, > control messages, or votes from one. brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton): > I can think of no disadvantage caused by anon posting sites that > doesn't already exist, other than the fact that they do make more > naive net users who don't know how to post anonymously the old > way more prone to do it. From: mandel@netcom.com (Tom Mandel) > I cannot speak for others but I regard anonymous postings in a > serious discussion as pretty much worthless. ... views that hide > behind the veil of anon are hardly worth the trouble of reading. n8729@anon.penet.fi (Hank Pankey) > Since I began posting anonymously (to show support for general > principles of personal privacy) I have been subject to far more > abuse and attack than I ever received before. People seem to > find it easier to flame and insult someone whose name they don't > know. Perhaps it's easier to pretend that there is no person > behind the email address who feels the sting of abusive comments. > > Anonymity does hinder some methods of controlling other posters' > actions. People who seek such control will naturally oppose it. From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > Instead of making this a ""free-er medium"" by allowing posters to > ""protect themselves"" with anonymity, simply require that all > posters be prepared to discuss their sources of information and > take the heat for unsubstantiated dribble. This seems to be the > way things are currently done; xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory): > In misc.kids there are three threads going on started by anonymous > posters. One was about changing jobs so as to work less hours, > job sharing and so on, from a woman who didn't want anyone at her > current place of work to know she was thinking of looking for > work elsewhere. The next was from a woman who is thinking of > having a baby sometime soon and doesn't want coworkers, friends, > family etc etc to know all about it, but who wants advice. The > third is about sex after parenthood -- actually this was started > by people posting in the usual way but then it was pointed out > that the anonymous posting service might let more people > participate. > > Misc.kids doesn't seem to be suffering any harm from the presence > of anonymous posters; in fact it seems to have been helped by it. hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey): > While there has never been any real security against anonymous or > forged postings on Usenet, the process has until now been > sufficiently inconvenient, error-prone, and undocumented to limit > its use by persons who have not learned the culture of the net. > > On the other hand, a recent use of the anonymous posting service > on sci.math seemed seemed to be a student asking help on a > homework problem. It has now been attributed to a teacher, > asking for an explanation of a dubious answer in his teaching > guide. He says his news posting is broken, so he is using the > anonymous service as a mail-to-news gateway. Karl Barrus > Some argue that the opinions of the people who hide behind a veil > of anonymity are worthless, and that people should own up to > their thoughts. I agree with the latter point - in an ideal > world we would all be sitting around engaging in Socratic > dialogues, freely exchanging our opinions in an effort to > learn. But in an ideal world nobody will threaten you for your > thoughts, or ridicule you. > > But we live in a world where the people who don't agree with you > may try to harm you. Let's face it, some people aren't going to > agree with your opinion no matter how logically you try to > present it, or how reasoned out it may be. This is sad since it > does restrict people from voicing their opinions. red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew): > The consensus seems to be that a general anonymous posting service > such as that at anon.penet.fi seems sufficiently corrosive of the > trust and civility of the net that this particular experiment > should be ended. Perhaps the next time the question comes up we > can say: ""We tried it - we learned it does more harm than good - > and we stopped it."" From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER) > anonymous posting has not created major problems aside from > angering irate people (like you?) who would rather ban > anonymous/pseudonymous posting altogether because ""real men can > stand up for what they said"" or comparable puerile arguments as > others have brought up. dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes): > What a primal example of human nature. I have three questions for > you folks. > > Do people really say different things to each other based upon > whether their identity is or isn't known? > > Are people really so affected by what other people say that the > verbage is labeled ""abuse""? > > Most importantly, on a forum that prizes itself on the freedom of > communication that it enjoys, is there really such a thing as > freedom of communication? From: terry@geovision.gvc.com (Terry McGonigal) > ... Just how many anon services are needed? Will > *everybody* start running one soon? What's the purpose? Who > stands to benefit when there are N anon services, then 2*N, then > N^2, out there. Where *has* this sudden fasination with anon > services come from? > > For better or (IMHO) worse, it looks like we'er gonna get stuck > with these things, and as much as I don't like the idea (of > services like this becoming the norm) I don't really think > there's much to be done since it's obvious that anyone who wants > to can set one up with a bit of work. Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kleinpaste): > Weak reasoning. > With freedom comes responsibility. dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes): > Responsibility isn't real if it is enforced. True responsibilty > comes with no coercion. _____ <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan): > I will be the first to admit that I hold some controversial > opinions; indeed, I'm sure that none of us are completely > orthodox in our opinions. However, I've received *hundreds* of > anonymous email messages over the last few years; fewer than 20 > of them were ""reasonable posts made with good motives."" It's > getting more and more difficult to remember why we need anonymity > at all; the abusers are (once again) lousing things up for those > who truly need the service (or those who would put it to good > use). > > I'm not suggesting that we should ban anonymous servers; as I've > said, there are several situations in which anonymity is a Good > Thing (tm). > > However, the notion that anonymity's shield should be > automatically extended to every Usenet discussion is ridiculous; > it opens the door to further abuse. twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce): > Of course, how does one determine whether a ""group"" requests the > service? A flat majority of posters voting in favor? A positive > margin of 100 votes? Or what? No one speaks for a newsgroup. > > I'm not convinced by the arguments that an anonymous posting > service for all newsgroups is inherently a bad idea, simply > because it's a diversion from the status quo. Since the status > quo previously permitted anonymous posting to *no* newsgroups, > any anonymous posting service would reject the status quo. hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes: > It is facist to suggest that a newsgroup is best able to decide > whether it wants to allow anonymous postings instead of having > them forced upon them by an service administrator? ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie): > The service provides a mechanism for forwarding mail to the > original poster. Since most Usenet readers don't know John Smith > from Jane Doe except by their opinions and their address, the > effect of having an anonymous posting to which mail replies can > be directed is minimal, except for those who personally know the > poster--and ... the lack of anonymity could be serious. Any > mechanism like this is liable to abuse, but the benefits as well > as the costs must be weighed. Limiting the service to alt groups, > or specific groups, would not help those who want advice on > sensitive issues in more 'professional' newsgroups. From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) > An additional point is that some of us find anonimity in technical > matters to be profoundly offensive; anonimity in different forums > has different meanings. If I get a phone call from someone who > won't identify himself, I hang up. If I get U.S. mail with no > return address, it goes into the garbage unopened. If someone > accosts me in the street while wearing a mask, I back away - > carefully, and expecting violence. In a technical discussion, > anonimity means that the individual isn't willing to associate > himself with the matter being discussed, which discredits his > utterances and makes listening to them a waste of time. > > Anonimity leads to fun psych experiments; the literature is filled > with all the various things that people will do anonymously that > they won't otherwise. Including one notorious study involving > torture that would not have passed today's ethical standards. Fun > stuff, in any case. > > FINE. LEAVE US OUT OF IT. From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) > You obviously have never submitted an article to a refereed > journal, where you will receive anonymous reviews through a server > (the editor) that behaves much like the one in Finland (e.g. you > may reply and the editor will maintain the anonymity). ... Your > comparison of someone who wants to express him/herself on a > technical issue anonymously with a person who approaches you on a > dark street with a ski mask is just emotionally overwrought > nonsense; such posters pose no physical threat to you. jik@mit.edu (J. Kamens): > It seems obvious to me that the default should be *not* to allow > anonymous postings in a newsgroup. The Usenet has always > operated on the principle that the status quo should be kept > unless there's a large number of people who want to change it. > > If someone REALLY needs to post a message anonymous in a newsgroup > in which this usually isn't done, they can usually find someone > on the net to do this for them. They don't need an automated > service to do it, and the automated service is by its nature > incapable of making the judgment call necessary to decide whether > a particular posting really needs to be anonymous. From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) > For any newsgroup you name, I bet I can envision a scenario > involving a need for secrecy. If an accurate content-based > filter of each anonymous posting could be devised to screen out > those that don't require secrecy, wonderful. But it can't be > done. From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen) > If a newsgroup wants to be noise- and nuisance-free, then it > should call for moderation. This should happen on a per-newsgroup > basis, and not as a general USENET ban on anonymous postings. Of > course one principle of moderation might be to keep out all > anonymous postings, and could be achieved automatically. It would > still be _moderation_. Personally I would prefer moderation > criteria being based on actual content. David A. Clunie (dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au) > If a ""group"" doesn't want to receive certain posts it should > become moderated - there are clearly defined mechanisms on > non-alt groups for this to take place. An automated moderator > excluding posts from certain (eg. anonymous) sites or individuals > could easily be established. If anyone wants to take such a > draconian approach then they are welcome to do so and good luck > to them. I doubt if I will be reading their group ! From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) > What possible need would someone have for posting anonymously to a > sci.* group? > > Sure most adults are willing to post under their own names. Why > would they want to hide behind an anonymous posting service? > Ashamed of what they have to say or just trying to rile people > without fear of being identified? > > Anonymous posting have their place in CERTAIN groups. If I or > anyone else needs to tell you what those groups are then you've > been on another planet breathing exotic gases for too long. From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > It's bloody fascinating that (all?) the proponents of unimpeded > universal anon posting access can't seem to find any middle > ground at all. Why is there such a perception of > absolutism? Where does this instant gratification syndrome come > from, ""I want anon access and I want it NOW""? Who are the > control freaks here? From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > Remember, this is a newsgroup for posters writing about SCIENTIFIC > issues. Anonymous discussion of scientific issues leads to bad > science. From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) > Though many have personal philosophical arguments against > anonymous posters, their arguments have not been compelling > enough to convince me that omni-newsgroup anonymous posting > should be banned or severely restricted. Though I cannot prove > it, it seems to me that those who do not like anonymous posting > (in principle) do so for reasons that are personal (read, > psychological discomfort) rather than for reasons related to > maintaining the ""integrity"" of Usenet. > > Remember, it is impossible to be able to ascertain all the > conceivable and legitimate motives for anonymous posting to > newsgroups one normally would not deem to be ""sensitive"". ... in > general, I fear even letting newsgroup readers vote on either > allowing or not allowing anonymous posting, since a priori they > *cannot* know all the motives of *legitimate* posters, and I do > not believe that any system should ever be instituted that would > inhibit the posting of legitimate and informative posts. lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes: > I personally don't believe that pseudonymous postings are > appropriate in a serious discussion area. If there is a > LEGITIMATE reason for concealing the posters' identity, perhaps, > but simply because they're not so sure if they want their name > attached doesn't qualify as LEGITIMATE in my book. (Oh, and if > you can come up with a legitimate purpose for anonymous postings, > please, enlighten me.) sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Stuart P. Derby) > Three of our (the U.S.'s) founding fathers, Madison, Hamilton, and > Jay, seemed to think ""anonymous posting"" was OK. The Federalist > papers were originally printed in New York newspapers with > authorship attributed to ""Publius"". I wonder if you would find > their purpose ""LEGITIMATE""? _____ <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) > I would like to know how to junk all articles posted by the > anonymous service currently being discussed. Ideally I would > actually tell my feed site not to feed me articles posted by the > anonymous service. Assuming the C News Performance Release, what > is a simple way to accomplish this? Or where should I look to > learn how to do it myself? From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) > That's a bit draconian isn't it ? Have your users unanimously > decided that they would like you to do this or have you decided > for them ? From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) > Good question. Nobody has decided. I have no definite plan to do > this, just wanted the technical data. Carl Kleinpaste (Karl_Kleinpaste@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu): > ...were I to be in the position of offering such a service again, > my promises of protection of anonymity would be limited. Not on > the basis of personal opinion of what gets posted, but on the > basis of postings which disrupt the smooth operation of the > Usenet. The most obvious and direct recourse would be to `out' > the abusive individual. Less drastic possibilities exist -- the > software supports a ""fire extinguisher"" by which individuals can > be prevented from posting. john@iastate.edu (John Hascall): > Since when is Usenet a democracy? If someone wants to run an > anonymous service, that's their business. If you want to put > that host in your killfile, that's your business. If a newsadmin > wants to blanket-drop all postings from that site, that's between > them and the other people at that site. If everyone ignores a > service, the service effectively doesn't exist. From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) > NNTP servers that allow posting from anyone are NOT ""a service to > the net."" They do the net a disservice. > > Terminal servers have the same problems as open NNTP servers -- > they allow people who want to do illegal/immoral/unethical things > on the Internet to do so without accountability. > > There are, by now, public access sites all over this country, if > not all over the world, that allow very inexpensive access to the > Usenet and the Internet. There is no reason for NNTP servers to > allow anyone to post messages through them, and there is no > reason for terminal servers to allow anyone to connect to them > and then make outbound connections through them. Perhaps when it > was harder to get to the Internet or the Usenet, open servers > could be justified, but not now. jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz): > I think that what ... these points show clearly is that an > anonymous posting service has a great deal of responsibility, > both towards its clients and towards the Net as a whole. Such a > service should (IMHO) have a set of well-defined rules and a > contract that its clients should sign, under the terms of which > they are assured anonymity. From: an8785@anon.penet.fi > Is the problem that some are used to ""punishing"" posters who are > upsetting in some vague way by complaining to the (usually > acquiescent) sysadmin or organizations that the poster belongs > to? That surely is the most gutless approach to solving > problems, but my experience on the net shows that the same users > who vilify anonymous postings are the first to write obsessively > detailed grievances to the poster's supervisor when his or her > tranquility is disturbed by some ""intrusive"" or subversive post > or another. > > Anonymous postings prevent just this kind of intimidation. From: gandalf@cyberspace.org (Eric Schilling) > The main point I would like to make here is that while we can go > through and revise the news sw to ""reject anon posts to technical > newsgroups"" or some such thing, I think the attempt will prove > futile. Each attempt to modify news can result in a changed > approach by anon service providers to thwart the change. I think > this would be pointless. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > I have tried to stay out of this discussion, and see where the > discussion leads. But now I rally feel like I have to speak up. > ... I have repeatedly made clear ... that I *do* block users if > they continue their abuse after having been warned. In many cases > the users have taken heed of the warning and stopped, and in some > cases even apologized in public. And when the warning has not had > the desired effect, I have blocked a number of users. I have also > blocked access to groups where the readership has taken a vote to > ban anonymous postings, although I feel changing the newsgroup > status to moderated is the only permanent solution for newsgroups > that want to ""formalize"" discussion. red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew) > Does this ... mean that you are volunteering to issue a Request > For Discussion to ban anonymous postings or to moderate each of > the 4000+ newsgroups that your server can reach? I don't think > so, but this illustrates the trouble that your server is causing! > > please listen to the consensus of the news administrators in this > group: any newsgroup should be consulted *before* letting your > server post messages to that group. From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER) > There is no pompous ""consensus of *the* news administrators"" > here - maybe you would like to invent one. There is a sizeable > number of people who are concerned about the possible (and, to a > minor extent, about the actual abuse of the server as it is > configured now). These concerns are respectable; Johan is dealing > with them. ... There are some (few) who rage with foam before > their mouth and condemn the service altogether. And a number who > defend it, pointing out, like Kate Gregory, that even a group > like misc.kids. can benefit from pseudonymous postings. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > I have answered a lot of personal mail related to server abuse, > and as a result of that, blocked a number of abusive users. I > have also withdrawn the service from several newsgroups where the > users have taken a vote on the issue. I have not made any > comments on news.admin.policy, partly because the > newly-implemented password feature (as a emergency measure > against a security hole) has kept me really busy answering user > queries the last two weeks, and partly because I feel it is not > for me to justify the service, but for the users. The problem > with news.admin.policy is that the readership is rather elective, > representing people whith a strong interest in centralised > control. From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) > This seems to be a rather bigoted attitude. I would consider that > this group is for anyone who wishes to discuss how the net should > be controlled. Saying that we only have an interest in > ""centralized control"" is a clear indication of bias. You are > perfectly welcome to join in the discussions here to promote your > views on control. jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu > This whole debate is a lot of ""sound and fury signifying nothing"" > because, even if you all decide to ban anonymous posting servers, > it is not enforceable. The only people who conceivably could > enforce retrictions are those that control the international > links. > > Policy changes should be made by cooperation, not by attempting > to dictate. ...you need to persuade those who run the services > to act like this through friendly persuasion, not by trying to > beat them over the head with a stick (especially a stick you > don't even have). spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) > I am finding this bias against pseudonymity boring. Our friend > posting through penet has a point. The old guard would like to > keep their network the way it always has been... and this new > thing, these pseudonymous servers, cuts into their turf. So they > whine and bitch about it, and every time there's the slightest > abuse (such as somebody's .sig being too long), they try to > parlay that into an argument against pseudonymity. > > I'll go on record as saying: three cheers for the admins at anon > servers like penet, pax, and n7kbt... and for all the access > service providers who are willing to preserve their clients > privacy. > > And a pox on those who try to defeat and restrict pseudonymity. mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) > I wouldn't help people get rid of anon postings as a group. If you > don't like what someone says, then you put THAT anon address in > your kill file, not all of them. Of course, if and when I get an > anon site going, I'm just going to assign fake names like > ""jsmith"" instead of ""anon5564"" to avoid most of the hassles. > You'll never know it is anonymous will you? From: anne@alcor.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett) > I must admit to some astonishment at this argument. I see the > value of anonymous postings under some circumstances, yet believe > strongly that these should be identified as such, so that people > who do not wish to read material from people who won't identify > themselves, don't have to. > > I fail to see what good you would be accomplishing, and indeed > surmise that you will cause many people inconvenience and > annoyance, by hiding the anonymity of postings from your > anonymous site. Would you care to justify where the hell you get > the gall to try to prevent people from effectively filtering > their news as they see fit? From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) > I thought I was out of reach here in Australia too. Unfortunately > one of the US sites involved in the US/Aus feed complained to the > Australian Academic Reasearch Network through whom my site is > connected, not about anything in particular, just the concept of > anonymous mail having no redeeming features and consuming a > narrow bandwidth link (with which I can't argue) and that was > that ... stop the service or face disconnection. > > I consider the demise of [my] service to have been rather > unfortunate, and I wish the Finnish remailer luck ! It is a pity > that there are very few if any similar services provided with in > the US. I guess that's the benefit of having a constitution that > guarantees one freedom of speech and a legal and political system > that conspires to subvert it in the name of the public good. _____ <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi run by J. Helsingius? From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > Funny, how beating the rest of the Usenet over the head with a > stick is OK if it's anon.penet.fi and universal anon access. But > somehow people on the other side of the same equation (not even > arguing to shut it off entirely, but rather just to have some > control applied to the abuses that manifest themselves) aren't > allowed to do that. > > I have written to Johan several times in the last couple of > weeks. He used to reply to me quite readily. After all, I was > the source of the software as originally delivered to him -- he > used to be downright _prompt_ about replying to me. Funny, now > he's being an impolite bastard who doesn't answer mail _at_all_, > even when it consists of really very civil queries. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > In your mail you told me you sent me one or more messages on Feb. > 8th. Feb 7th and 8th the server was down, and the flood of mail > that resulted from the server coming up again crashed my own mail > host. The problem was aggregated by an abusive user sending > thousands of messages to another user, filling up that users > mailbox. The bounce messages ended up in my mailbox, overflowing > my local disk as well. > > I can only suppose that your message got lost in that hassle, as > I have tried to answer as much as possible of the anon-related > messages I get, from routine mis-addessed messages to complaints > about the service. On the average I spend 4-5 hours per day > answering anon-related messages. From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > Why is it that everybody else has to put up with the impoliteness > and insensitivity of the misuse of anon.penet.fi? Whose > definitions of ""polite"" and ""sense"" apply, and why? Why is > universal anon access considered to be within the realm of this > fuzzy concept of ""politeness"" in the first place? > > I think Johan has long since crossed the line into being a rude > bastard, and I told him so in private mail a little while ago. > > At this point, I deeply regret [a] having created an anonymous > system supporting >1 newsgroup and [b] having given the code to > Johan. I didn't copyright it, but I thought that some concept of > politeness and good sense might follow it to new > homes. Interesting that Johan's ideas of politeness and good > sense seem to have nearly no interesection with mine. I could > even cope with universal anon access _if_ Johan would be willing > to engage in abuse control, but somehow that seems to be outside > the range of reality... From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > There is no way for me to convey how sad and upset your message > made me. I do, to some extent, understand your feelings, but it > still feels really bad. Running the server requires getting used > to a lot of flames, but mindlessly abusive hate mail is so much > easier to deal with than something like this, as I do respect and > value your views and opinions to a high degree. No, I'm not > asking for sympathy, I just wanted you to know that I am really > giving your views quite a lot of weight. > > When I asked for the software, I was actually only going to > provide the service to scandinavian users. But a lot of people > requested that I keep the service open to the international > community. I now realize that I ought to have contacted you at > that point to ask how you feel about me using your stuff in such > a context. Again, I really want to apologise. And I will replace > the remaining few pieces of code thet still stem from your > system. Unfortunately there is no way to remove the ideas and > structure I got from you. > > Again, I am really sorry that the results of your work ended up > being used in a way that you don't approve of. And I will be > giving a lot of hard thought to the possibility of shutting down > the server alltogether. From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > I think I'm feeling especially rude and impolite. If it's good > for Johan, it's good for me. After all, he didn't ask the > greater Usenet whether universal anon access was a good idea; he > just did it. ... Yes, I'm a seriously rude pain in the ass now, > and I think I'll arm the Usenet Death Penalty, slightly modified, > not for strategic whole-site attack, but tactical assault, just > ""an[0-9]*@anon.penet.fi"" destruction. Only outside alt.*, too, > let's say. > > To parrot this line...people have been doing things like the UDP > (that is, cancelling others' postings) for years, no one could > ever stop them, and it's only politeness and good sense that has > prevented them up to now. > > In fact, I have 8 people who have expressed privately the desire > and ability to arm the UDP. > > ... > > PS- No, in fact there are not 8 newsadmins ready to arm the > UDP. It would be amusing to know how many people gulped hard > when they read that, though. I don't see it as any different > from Johan's configuration. > > PPS- Now that I've calmed some fears by the above PS... There > are 2 newsadmins ready to arm the UDP. They've asked for my > code. I haven't sent it yet. Only one site would be necessary > to bring anon.penet.fi to a screeching halt. Anyone can > implement the UDP on their own, if they care to. Politeness and > good sense prevents them from doing so. I wonder how long before > one form of impoliteness brings on another form. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > It would be trivially easy to bring anon.penet.fi to a screeching > halt. In fact it has happened a couple of times already. But as > we are talking threats here, let me make one as well. A very > simple one. If somebody uses something like the UDP or > maliciously brings down anon.penet.fi by some other means, it > will stay down. But I will let the users know why. And name the > person who did it. OK? As somebody said on this thread: ""You have > to take personal responsibility for your actions"", right? From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com ( 134 Atul V Salgaonkar) > I am very grateful and appreciative of this service , courtesey of > penet.fi. Some important questions about my personal > life/career/job were resolved due to kind help of other people > who had been thru similar situations. In return, I have also > replied to anon postings where I thought I could make a positive > contribution. > > In general, anon service is a great, in my opinion, although like > any tool some people will not use it responsibly. I suggest that > it should be kept alive. Wasting bandwidth is less important than > saving lives, I think. From: us273532@mmm.serc.3m.com (Elisa J. Collins) > I have been informed that the anonymous posting service to many > newsgroups has been turned off as a result of discussions in this > newsgroup over people abusing it. > > I had been posting to a nontechnical misc newsgroup about an > intimate topic for which I felt I required privacy. I have > received immeasurable help from the people in that newsgroup, and > I have never used anonymity to behave in an abusive, immature, or > unethical fashion toward anyone. > > Please, folks, believe me, I *need* this service. Please > consider my point of view and permit admin@anon.penet.fi to turn > the service back on... > > Thank you. * * * SEE ALSO ======== Part 1 (first file) ------ <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? Part 2 (previous file) ------ <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? <4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? <5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? <6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? <7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? <7.3> Most Wanted list <7.4> Change history * * * This is Part 3 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days. Written by L. Detweiler . All rights reserved. " 5609,18,"From: carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 20 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.jpl.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr15.162552.5510@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >In article <1qjtmjINNq45@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: >> I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA >> WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. > > Why is this surprising? Then the _Times_ can get a few more >Pulitzers the same way they did last year. I suppose ALL media want something to happen, otherwise what would they report: that's their job. (duhhh to me!) But it's not so much surprising that they want a riot as it is amazing how they carry that desire across in not so subtle ways (at least to me...) carlos. ""I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race"" - Abraham Lincoln ...ames!elroy!jpl-devvax!{beowulf|pituco}!carlos " 5610,5,"From: gary@ioc.co.uk (Gary Phillips) Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Nntp-Posting-Host: ocelot.ioc.co.uk Organization: Intelligent Office Company Ltd. Lines: 26 In article <735525194.9026@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: > Bryan Boreham (bryan@alex.com) wrote: > : In article <735259869.13021@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: > : > The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". > : > The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of > : > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the > : > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), > : > it is *much* slower. > : > : The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its > : positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because > : it thinks the window is already in the right place. > : > : Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to > : me; all information greatly received. The only time I've seen similar behaviour is when an X application forked a child without setting close on exec on the X display connection file descriptor. The shell waited for a ConfigureNotify event that never arrived because it got picked up by the child. Sometimes the shell correctly got the ConfigureNotify if the timing was 'right'. -- Gary Phillips | Email: gary@ioc.co.uk Phone: +44 81 528 9864 | phones@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: +44 81 528 9878 | " 5611,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes: >Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order to talk >knowledgeably about religion, Atheists must first have been so immersed >in a religion that only the rare individual could have left. No, you don't understand. I said that I don't think people can discuss the subjective merits of religion objectively. This should be obvious. People here have said that everyone would be better off without religion, but this almost certainly isn't true. >>But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it? >The motto is a tool. Let's try to take away the tool. But, guns and axes are tools, both of which have been used for murder. Should both be taken away? That is to say, I don't think motto misuse warrants its removal. At least not in this case. keith " 5612,3,"From: sundaram@egr.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram) Subject: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu Hi, I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). Please advise ..... Divya -- Divya ""Live long, and then DIE a slow and horrible death ...."" - What Confucius wanted to say .... " 5613,4,"From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 47 lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) writes: >My Duo 230 crashe. >I close the lid. It goesto sleeplikenormal. Then I open it press a key. >The screen showsthis wied pattern. You can berely make outthe menubar on top., although there are no words on the bar. Anditfrezzes. Why? >---Lowell >-- >*********************************************************************** >* Lowell Reiter ""I need a Vacation... Now!!! "" * >* Tufts University * >* Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * >*********************************************************************** I have the same problem and was about to post this.... Hello duo owners (and Apple technical people :-) I have a new duo 230 which appears to have a problem waking up from sleep when running on battery power. When woken (usually for the second time) after sleeping, the wake fails and the screen appears with a corrupted image of broken horizontal lines and control can only be recovered with control-command-poweron or the reset key at the back of the machine. The problem occurs even when the system is stock standard (no extensions, no virtual memory, a fully charged new battery, system 7.1 etc). I have not had the problem when the machine is plugged in to AC. I've checked that the battery is properly seated (it appears to be fine). What's going on here ? Anyone else had this problem ? Is it software or hardware ? If you have a duo 230 and a bit of time, try repeatedly sleeping and waking the machine on battery power and let me know if you see the same behaviour (and let Apple know too !). Many thanks to anyone who can clear this one up for me. Bruce -- bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au ***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers*** " 5614,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: [ NETWORKING ] How to get 10 Ma Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <92.2bd1cd0c@axolotl> Steed.Bell@macrocosm.omahug.org (Steed Bell) writes: >networked together using Appletalk and PhoneNet connectors. To chat we use a >program called 'Broadcast'. With it we can send brief messages to all or >selected machines within the network. If you use System 7, you can use my application Zing which has a 30 kB footprint (meaning you can have it running all the time without losing memory) It is also compatible with the chat program ""FishBomb"" which allows sounds and pictures as well. Both are, as far as I know, freeware (I dustribute Zing with source) and should be available on the normal services (mac.archive.umich.edu for instance) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This signature is kept shorter than 4 lines in the interests of UseNet S/N ratio. " 5615,16,"From: guy@idacom.hp.com (Guy M. Trotter) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Lines: 14 Hi, In Canada, any gun that enters a National Park must be sealed (I think it's a small metal tag that's placed over the trigger). The net result of this is that you _can't_ use a gun to protect yourself from bears (or psychos) in the National Parks. Instead, one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances of hiking in bear country, and take the appropriate precautions. I think this policy makes the users of the National Parks feel a little closer to Nature, that they are a part of Nature and, as such, have to deal with nature on it's own terms. Guy " 5616,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes: > > Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of >the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why >bother. I'd be willing to make two wagers: 1) Snow doesn't win ROY. 2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years. I'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a player, and he is on a losing team. I'm skeptical of the second because of his back. Mattingly is 32 this year, and how many players play until they are 40? Not too many, and most of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32. Could be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to bet... Cheers, -Valentine " 5617,9,"From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) Subject: Re: Tigers-A's Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu In article <1993Apr14.185317.12231@sbcs.sunysb.edu> wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) writes: > >Weird thing: Leading 20-4 going into the top of the ninth, Sparky > used his ace closer, Henneman. The tigers have 8 relievers > and at least 6 were rested/available. Does Sparky trust > them that little ? I think he just wanted to get Henneman some work, because the Tigers had days off both the day before and the day after. Jim " 5618,4,"From: eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wayne Chen) Subject: Re: Disappointed by La Cie Article-I.D.: news.2BC1F81D.20078 Organization: UC Irvine Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: dialin33626.slip.nts.uci.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 05:35:36 GMT In article <1993Apr5.173853.14752@umiami.ir.miami.edu> , f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes: > It seems to me that reconditioned hardware should be sold as reconditioned at a > discounted price, and that replacements for new hardware gone bad (still > covered under a 90-day warranty) should be new. > Well, sounds like we need some kind of a Lemon Law on the hardware industry. After all it does sound unfair to me for someone that has paid the price of a new drive for a reconditioned one. What do you guys think? " 5619,6,"From: marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) Subject: [SNES] [Genesis] Games for sale or trade. Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University. Lines: 24 I have the following Genesis carts for sale or trade: Alien 3 Global gladiators Crue ball I have the following SNES carts for sale or trade: Jimmy connors tennis Super play action football Cross system trades are fine. Cheers Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** ** * ****** *** * | On the net, ** * ** *** ** ** * * | no-one can hear you scream! ** * ** *** **** ** * * |------------------------------------ ** * ** *** ** ** * * | email marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk ** * ****** * ****** ** ** | marc@computing.lancaster.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 5620,1,"From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu Subject: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!! Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using forms a rectangular grid. Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this is a general interest question. Thank you!!!!!! " 5621,10,"From: ingo@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Electroholic) Subject: Re: Hockey & Hispanic market Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 34 In article <115868@bu.edu> icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: > >In article , saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes: >|> In rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >|> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that >|> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. >|> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. > >What is this crap? I'm only interested in intelligent discussion. If you >can't answer my question, just say so. Can anyone else answer the ques.? > It's not really crap you know... only half crap ;-) From what i understand it's very expensive to play hockey south of the border... (actually it's not that cheap up hear either... though once you have all the equipement it's not more than $300 a year... actually i haven' played in about 8 years so i could be off a bit... ) In the states, where ice time is considerably more expensive it can cost over a thousand a year... compare this to baseball and you'll see that hockey is a sport for the well-to-do... And this brings up the fact that the well-to-do in the US are majority white... BTW: what was the original question... i think it has to do with the Hispanic communtiy and playing hockey.... Cheers! i. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ingo@sunee.uwaterloo.ca | The more violent the body | | iwweigel@descartes.uwaterloo.ca | contact of the sports you | | ingo@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca | watch, the lower your class. | | iwweigele@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca | -- Paul Fussell | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If the University of Waterloo had on opinion, this probably wouldn't be it... " 5622,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Fingernail ""moons"" Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <733196190.AA00076@calcom.socal.com> Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) writes: >I only have lunulas on my thumbs. Is there any medical >significance to that finding? Thank you in advance for all >replies. > Try peeling the skin back at the base of your other fingernails (not too hard, now, don't want to hurt yourself). You'll find nice little lunulas there if you can peel it back enough. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5623,5,"From: bshaw@spdc.ti.com (Bob Shaw) Subject: SUMMARY xon and X11R5 Nntp-Posting-Host: bobasun Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center Lines: 15 Hi folks Thanks to the ones that replied, however, my problem turned out to be very simple. In my .Xresources I had a space after XTerm*font: 10x20. Removing this and xrdb fixed my problem. Also, same symptom, was that some of my users did not have the proper capitals for XTerm*font. Thanks again Bob " 5624,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Medication For Parkinsons Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <19621.3049.uupcb@factory.com> jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) writes: >If you want to throw around names, Drs. Donald Calne, Terry Elizan, >and Jesse Cedarbaum don't recommend selegiline (not to mention Dr. >William Landau). > Gosh, Jesse is that famous now? He was my intern. Landau not liking it makes me like it out of spite. (Just kidding, Bill). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5625,16,"From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: UDel: School of Life & Health Sciences Lines: 29 In article <16BAECE99.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: }In article }papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: } }>In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHPLEIGH) writes: }>> }>2.If Guns were banned, and a bunch showed up in south florida, it }>would be 100x easier to trace and notice then a small ripple in the }>huge wave of the American gun-craze. } ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ } } Do they teach courses in rude in Canada? They don't have too. Canadian culture is handed down largely from the United Empire Loyalists who fled from the American Revolution. Canuckleheads tend to have a ""cratophilic,"" or government-loving attitude towards authority. Paul Prescod is right in line with this elitist bigotry and prejudice that all my Canadian friends hate in their fellow citizens. His sort of snobbish Canuck have an irrational horror of American democratic ""armed mobs."" Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL, The International Society for Individual Liberty, 1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com Think Universally, Act Selfishly - starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu " 5626,11,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: >: I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to >: be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I >: am right. :( > >It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact >with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. >Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography >and immaturity I wonder. Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? " 5627,5,"From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka) Subject: Re: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab Lines: 23 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: tahma.cs.hut.fi In <9304211637.AA03386@blue.arbortext.com> rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) writes: >My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state >of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? I don't know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th Keypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to always know the state of modifiers even if your windows don't have the keyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root window. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have been pressed. >An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X >keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user >presses shift-a, I'd like to get a lowercase 'a' instead of 'A'. I think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString. You can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses as you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from the Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit. -- Sami.Tikka@hut.fi | /G=Sami/S=Tikka/O=hut/ADMD=fumail/C=fi/ ""Live Long and Prosper!"" " 5628,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 2: Defensemen (2-19) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 92 I finally got it back, with great thanks to Mark Spiegel for saving and sending it. #2 ROB ZETTLER Season: 4th Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: C/C- Zettler gave the Sharks every bit he's got this year; unfortunately, this still wasn't enough to make him any more than a marginal NHLer, if that. He works hard, for sure, but is no better than average on defense, and is prone to costly penalties and defensive lapses at times, while being basically an offensive zero (0 goal and 7 assists in 79 games). He would be hardpressed to make the team next year. #3 DAVID WILLIAMS Season: 2nd Acquired: '91-92, free agent from New Jersey Grade: C/C- IMO, Williams was the most valuable defenseman for the Sharks in '91-92, playing a combination of good offense (3 goals and 25 assists in 56 games) and good defense. But he, playing the first part of this season in Kansas City, was good neither offensively nor defensively this year; it, then, appears that '91-92 was a fluke. Although he improved towards the end of the season, he was prone to being out of position defensively, and did not demonstrate the playmaking skills that made him the team's leading scorer among defensemen last year. He would also be hardpressed to make the team next year. #4 JAYSON MORE Season: 2nd Acquired: '91-92, from Montreal in expansion draft Grade: B+ After being touted as the team's top defensive prospects in training camp before '91-92, More had a rather disappointing '91-92, as he was not particularly good defensively, and had just 17 points in 46 games. He, then, proceeded to improve his game massively this season, becoming the team's most reliable defenseman, whom the team can count on night in and night out to play steady defense and providing occasional (but only occasional) offensive flash. Offensively, he was even more disappointing than last year (11 points in 73 games), but his defense improved tremendously. He is probably best as the defensive part of a defense combination with an offensive defenseman. #5 NEIL WILKINSON Season: 4th Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: B- Wilkinson was probably the team's top defensive defenseman in '91-92. However, partially because of injuries, he was not the same this year, as he missed 25 games total due to nagging knee and back injuries, and seemed to be slowed even when playing. He, then, had often to be saved by his defensive partners; that is, if they are there at all. But he also had some solid games, and if he can be complete healthy, he can still be a force. #6 SANDIS OZOLINSH Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, 2nd round pick in entry draft Grade: I (A) At the time of his injury (December 30, against the Philadelphia Flyers), Ozolinsh was well on track to be, IMO, the team's MVP. A serious knee injury in that game, though, forced him to miss the rest of the season (47 games), but he still finished as the team's top scorer among defensemen (23 points), which, of course, tells more about the lack of offense the Sharks had from their defensemen, but it also tells of Ozolinsh's abilities. At the time, he was playing very good defense along with excellent offense; he was still susceptible to so-called ""rookie mistakes,"" but was probably the defenseman who made the least of them on the team, rookie or veteran. If he can come back from his injuries, he is ready to be a star. #19 DOUG ZMOLEK Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: B Zmolek had basically a solid and durable year, being one of the only two Sharks to play in all 84 games of the season. He was solid on defense, but after being billed as an offensive defenseman, he didn't show it (15 points). He was also prone to penalties, and his 229 penalty minutes was second on the team; however, that was also an indication that he was fearly when facing tough physical opponents, and he was at his best when playing physically. But to become a fixture in this league, he needs to improve both offensively and defensively, and cut down on the number of power-plays he gives to opponents. =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 5629,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 41 In article maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) writes: >In article , jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >|> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is >|> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not >|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so >|> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no "" killings >|> between the Jewish tribes on the way."" >I don't like this comment about ""Typical"" thinking. You could state >your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see >a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible >in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen >as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think >it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can >unify as well. You somehow missed Nabil's comments, even though you included it in your followup: >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the >Jewish tribes on the way.. I am not aware of ""killings between Jewish tribes"" in the desert. The point of ""typical thinking"" here is that while Arabs STILL TODAY act in the manner you describe, like ""any nomadic people occupying a land"", killing and plundering each other with regularity, others have somehow progressed over time. It is not surprising then that Arabs often accuse others (infidels) of things that they are quite familiar with: civil rights violations, religious discrimination, ethnic cleansing, land theft, torture and murder. It is precisely this mechanism at work that leads people to say that Jewish tribes were killing each other in the desert, even without support for such a ludicrous suggestion. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 5630,13,"From: debbie@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Debbie Forest) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 In article <1993Apr14.184444.24065@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jkis_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Da' Beave) writes: > >Well folks, I currently have a yeast infection. I am male. >[...] your best bet (or at least your husband's) >is to treat and cure your infection before any intercourse. If you must, use >a condom. Also, consider other forms of sexual release (ie. handjobs) until >you are cured. Though I can't imagine WANTING to have intercourse during a full-blown yeast infection :-) chances of it being transmitted to the male are quite low, especially if he's circumcised. But it can happen. At one point I was getting recurrent yeast infections and the Dr suspected my boyfriend might have gotten it from me and be reinfecting me. The prescription was interesting. For each day of the medication (a week) I was to insert the medication, then to have intercourse. The resulting action would help the medicine be spread around in me better, and would simultaneously treat him. " 5631,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Distribution: na Lines: 36 In article bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: >In article , niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: >|> >|> Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant >|> on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT >|> of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive >|> in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's >|> ~.300 OBP in front of you... >I'm pretty sure that Sandberg has done this at least once. (I know someone >will correct me if I'm wrong.) >RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You >can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: > The team that scores more runs wins the game! > --------------------------------------------- Right. So who cares which PLAYER gets credited, as long as the TEAM gets more runs? If a player helps the TEAM get more R and RBI, but doesn't score them all himself, who cares? Consider: Player A: single. Player B: grounder to short; reaches on the force at 2nd. Player C: Double, B to 3rd. Player D: Sac fly. B gets a run, D gets an RBI. Are you *sure* they helped the team more than A and C? Think hard, now. >Flame Away As you wish. Roger " 5632,5,"From: srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu (Manoj Srivastava) Subject: [REQUEST] Need tvtwm sources with mods from R. J. Caley Organization: Project Pilgrim, University of Massachusetts at Amherst Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: mecca.pilgrim.umass.edu Hello, way back in the mists of time, I had a set of patches written by Richard Caley (I believe to the standars distribution, patch level 6) which added regular expressions in the .tvtwmrc file, multiple icon regions, squeezable icons, and f.deleteordestroy function. I still have the patches, however, I can no longer find the sources to which they applied ;-). I'd appreciate if some kind soul could send me a pointer to where I could find the sources. Has anyone updated the patches for R5? (Richard? are you out there? pretty please?) Thanks in advance. manoj " 5633,7,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 37 In article <1993Mar31.181813.24122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >In article <1pcgv5$oj9@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >>>Because I want to get the lowest price possible, it's called capitalism. >> >>I have news for you -- capitalism is the practice of maximizing >>profits. > >Same difference, if you lower your costs you increase your profits. > >>Personally I'm not at all bothered by the Saturn pricing scheme. If I >>don't want to pay as much as they're selling it for, I can go buy a >>different car from a different dealer and they get nothing. That's >>competition for you. If the dealer can be competitive charging what >>they do and making that kind of profit, that's capitalism at it's best >>and more power to 'em. >> > >I'd rather have the consumer dictate what things will cost not the >dealers. Sorry, but *neither* 'dictates' the cost. It's a negotiation. Whether it's up front at a honda dealership in an all out dickering war, or more removed on a larger economic scale (ie, if saturn can't sell at it's price, the price drops, or the company stops building them), it remains a negotiated value controlled by market forces. To think that the consumer controls price is ludicrous. If the consumer controled price, then cars would be *free*...And no one would build cars. Regards, Charles -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 5634,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 15 tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >I too strongly object to those that justify Israeli ""rule"" >of those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The ""occupied territories"" are not >Israel's to control, to keep, or to dominate. They certainly are until the Arabs make peace. Only the most leftist/Arabist lunatics call upon Israel to withdraw now. Most moderates realize that an Israeli withdrawl will be based on the Camp David/242/338/Madrid formulas which make full peace a prerequisite to territorial concessions. >Tim Ed " 5635,12,"From: fontana@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana) Subject: Homemade projector automation Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 37 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tomato.cis.ohio-state.edu Hi all, I'm an assistant manager at a local art theater here in Columbus. I'd like to expand our show automation a bit- namely add the capability to use cue tapes to bring the houselights up. Our current automation consoles date from the early 60's and don't provide this function. We already have the combo failsafe/contact rollers to read the cuetapes, and our dimmer system will raise the houselights when its fade-up control circuit (120 VAC) is momentarily closed, for at least 0.5 second. I've tried wiring the dimmer control to a 12V relay, activated when the cue tape completes the circuit. Low tech and simple, but there's one problem: In order to get the 1/2 second pulse, there needs to be a sh**load of cuetape on the film. (35mm runs at 90 feet per minute, so to get a 1/2 second pulse, there needs to be at least 9 inches of solid cuetape!) Ideally, I would like to use a single cross-cue to accomplish this function. (A single strip of cuetape perpendicular to the length of the film) This would give a pulse of approximately 1/100 of a second. What I need is a circuit to detect the short cue and activate the relay for around 1/2 second. The ability to adjust how long the relay is activated would be nice. I figure this would require an RC circuit of some sort. I'm sure some of you already have the solution figured out in your heads. Any suggestions and schematics would be appreciated! Thanks, Mark Fontana -- ""Of all the arts, the cinema is | Mark A. Fontana the most important."" | Computer and Information Science --V.I. Lenin | THE Ohio State University " 5636,3,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: LaserJet IV upgrades to 1200dpi opinions Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 (larryhow@austin.ibm.com) wrote: : : What are the current products available to upgrade the resolution? : Which ones support postscript? : : Any experiences with them, either good or bad? : : Is the quality difference really noticable? : : I'm planning on producing camera ready copy of homes. Will the higher : resolution be noticed for these? : If you are talking about laser jet 4 then I believe it has to be postscript. I don't see any advantage to using PCL when you have a peice of hardware plugged into the LJ4 that is doing the work and it can support any language that is suited for the job. Besides I don't think PCL is even capable of handling 1200 dpi specifications. I only have experience with the Laser Master Winjet 1200 which brings the LJ4 up to 1200 dpi and it uses postscript. It also has a fast print mode which is not postscript, and it is at a lower resolution (600dpi I think), but it is FAST!!!! This particular product uses your host processor to process the postscript, so even with a decent PC you know it's going to be slow i.e. slow compared to a high-end workstation processed PS. The quality difference is very noticable and is almost worth the wait (for the PS processing) - I'm rather impatient. We were using it for B&W camera images (RS-170). The gray scale image was accepted by MS Word and handed to the Winjet PS printer driver which converts the image into postscript and then hands it off to the Winjets postscript processor. The postscript is rendered into RAM (lots of it) and when it is done it shoots it directly to the printer. The PS processor can also accept PS files created from other sources including DOS applications, but Windows has to be running at the time of printing. The PS processor is responsible for the halftoning and I'd say it does a pretty good job. Our camera images came out very good in my opinion. (not as good as Laser Master's demo though). I don't know how many other similar products are out there but I would be surprised if there are several. Gordon Lang " 5637,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 45 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: > >>In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: >>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>>>I am quite interested in it. >>>>Thanks! >>>>Darren Gibbons >>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca >>> >>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? > >>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same >>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily >>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. > >>Craig > > I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure Well the European Manta and US GT have entirely different bodies. There is little or no chance that they are the same. The Manta went through several generations as the coupe version of the Ascona and was OK in its time. >that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the Not true. The Kadett has been in and out of the US market over the years. The LeMans (old Kadett) is only the latest version. Craig >GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. Different Cars. One looks like a sports-car, the other is a coupe. >-- >Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu >*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** " 5638,6,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Transmitter tube Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 17 I've got an Eimac 818A/4PR1000A transmitter/linear amplifier tube, unused, in original packaging (but opened and inventoried). I'd guarantee this tube to operate and be as observation and its paperwork say (unused), although I have no transmitter to test it with. Offers? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 5639,4,"From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr19.184256.8664 Distribution: usa Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 26 In article <1qt3vd$802@morrow.stanford.edu> HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) writes: >Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at >least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to >my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could >make one, technologically. > >The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller >circuitry present on NuBus Macs. > >Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS >adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS >is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, >there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a >NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an >LC/LCII/LCIII anyway. > >Mark NuBus is a much more robust system for system for installing multiple cards without configuration problems. I know that when I was checking into expasion options for an SI there were a number of PDS video cards that would not work with certian Dual slot cache adapters. _Erik Speckman " 5640,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr21.210712.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >> So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >> U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? > >Why must it be a US Government Space Launch Pad? Directly I mean... In fact, you probably want to avoid US Government anything for such a project. The pricetag is invariably too high, either in money or in hassles. The important thing to realize here is that the big cost of getting to the Moon is getting into low Earth orbit. Everything else is practically down in the noise. The only part of getting to the Moon that poses any new problems, beyond what you face in low orbit, is the last 10km -- the actual landing -- and that is not immensely difficult. Of course, you *can* spend sagadollars (saga- is the metric prefix for beelyuns and beelyuns) on things other than the launches, but you don't have to. The major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for more than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit. For what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop a new launch system that will be considerably cheaper. (Delta Clipper might be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less ambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.) Any plan for doing sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting money in a big way. Given this, questions like whose launch facilities you use are *not* a minor detail; they are very important to the cost of the launches, which dominates the cost of the project. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5641,8,"From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) Subject: Re: Misc./buying info. needed Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes: >Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how >to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)? _Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective. Try talking with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us. We love to give advice. >Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)? Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the one with RVs in it. >Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc? Couldn't help you here. >Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles? You're reading it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II (Tem) | | | | ""the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body | | is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day."" | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5642,3,From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Conner 120 MB Question Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology What do I need to do to configure this drive as a slave? Model# CP30101G Please reply via e-mail. Thanks!! Jeff **************************************************************** * Four out of five electrons prefer holes for their mutual * * annhiliation needs. Boycott Sierra. Ignore anybody who * * purports to be a serious Windows user. Support new makers * * of hardware and software. Buy Canadian music. Quit smoking. * * Take up running. FM synthesis is the CGA of audio. * * JKS4675@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU * **************************************************************** 5643,13,From: eulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) Subject: Re: Arythmia Article-I.D.: shelley.1r7mfbINNhvu Organization: University of Washington Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Alexis Perry asked if low blood potassium could be dangerous. Yes. ZZ 5644,8,"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: florida.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 18 In article <12739@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: |> >In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: |> >>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful |> >>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle |> >>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this |> >>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him. |> > |> > Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and |> >your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem. When I do it |> |> Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left. |> |> I'm sure others will take up the slack... oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :) axel " 5645,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S. Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) wrote: > At the time Ezekiel was written, Israel was in apostacy again and if I'm not > mistaken, Tyre was about to make war on Israel. Like I said, the Prince of > Tyre was the human ruler of Tyre. He was a wicked man. By calling Satan > the King of Tyre, Ezekiel was saying that Satan is the real ruler over Tyre. Tammy, is this all explicitly stated in the bible, or do you assume that you know that Ezekiel indirectly mentioned? It could have been another metaphor, for instance Ezekiel was mad at his landlord, so he talked about him when he wrote about the prince of Tyre. Sorry, but my interpretation is more mundane, Ezekiel wrote about the prince of Tyre when we wrote about the prince of Tyre. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5646,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Cannanite genocide in the Bible Lines: 6 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 6 excuse me for my ignorance. But I remember reading once that the Biblical tribe known as the Philistines still exists...they are the modern day Palestinians. Anyone out there with more info, please post it!!! Tammy " 5647,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr24.023039.1485@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: >In article <1r94f9$ge3@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) writes: >>You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. > >That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me, >not from useless farts. And anyone who doesn't agree with you is, by your own definitions, a ""useless fart"". Just like any text that disputes your own ""findings"" is always described as ""flawed"" or ""biased"". In other words, you trumpet the things you like and dismiss those that might embarass you. We've seen you play these games here for a long time. One thing is for sure: When it comes to ""useless farts"", you sure know what you're talking about. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 5648,0,"From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism Summary: Please read this file before posting to alt.atheism Keywords: FAQ, atheism Expires: Thu, 6 May 1993 12:22:45 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930308134439@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 646 Archive-name: atheism/introduction Alt-atheism-archive-name: introduction Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- An Introduction to Atheism by mathew This article attempts to provide a general introduction to atheism. Whilst I have tried to be as neutral as possible regarding contentious issues, you should always remember that this document represents only one viewpoint. I would encourage you to read widely and draw your own conclusions; some relevant books are listed in a companion article. To provide a sense of cohesion and progression, I have presented this article as an imaginary conversation between an atheist and a theist. All the questions asked by the imaginary theist are questions which have been cropped up repeatedly on alt.atheism since the newsgroup was created. Some other frequently asked questions are answered in a companion article. Please note that this article is arguably slanted towards answering questions posed from a Christian viewpoint. This is because the FAQ files reflect questions which have actually been asked, and it is predominantly Christians who proselytize on alt.atheism. So when I talk of religion, I am talking primarily about religions such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which involve some sort of superhuman divine being. Much of the discussion will apply to other religions, but some of it may not. ""What is atheism?"" Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God. Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is often referred to as the ""weak atheist"" position, and the latter as ""strong atheism"". It is important to note the difference between these two positions. ""Weak atheism"" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. ""Strong atheism"" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are ""strong atheists"". Some atheists believe in the non-existence of all Gods; others limit their atheism to specific Gods, such as the Christian God, rather than making flat-out denials. ""But isn't disbelieving in God the same thing as believing he doesn't exist?"" Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or not. Which brings us to agnosticism. ""What is agnosticism then?"" The term 'agnosticism' was coined by Professor Huxley at a meeting of the Metaphysical Society in 1876. He defined an agnostic as someone who disclaimed (""strong"") atheism and believed that the ultimate origin of things must be some cause unknown and unknowable. Thus an agnostic is someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for sure whether God exists. Words are slippery things, and language is inexact. Beware of assuming that you can work out someone's philosophical point of view simply from the fact that she calls herself an atheist or an agnostic. For example, many people use agnosticism to mean ""weak atheism"", and use the word ""atheism"" only when referring to ""strong atheism"". Beware also that because the word ""atheist"" has so many shades of meaning, it is very difficult to generalize about atheists. About all you can say for sure is that atheists don't believe in God. For example, it certainly isn't the case that all atheists believe that science is the best way to find out about the universe. ""So what is the philosophical justification or basis for atheism?"" There are many philosophical justifications for atheism. To find out why a particular person chooses to be an atheist, it's best to ask her. Many atheists feel that the idea of God as presented by the major religions is essentially self-contradictory, and that it is logically impossible that such a God could exist. Others are atheists through scepticism, because they see no evidence that God exists. ""But isn't it impossible to prove the non-existence of something?"" There are many counter-examples to such a statement. For example, it is quite simple to prove that there does not exist a prime number larger than all other prime numbers. Of course, this deals with well-defined objects obeying well-defined rules. Whether Gods or universes are similarly well-defined is a matter for debate. However, assuming for the moment that the existence of a God is not provably impossible, there are still subtle reasons for assuming the non-existence of God. If we assume that something does not exist, it is always possible to show that this assumption is invalid by finding a single counter-example. If on the other hand we assume that something does exist, and if the thing in question is not provably impossible, showing that the assumption is invalid may require an exhaustive search of all possible places where such a thing might be found, to show that it isn't there. Such an exhaustive search is often impractical or impossible. There is no such problem with largest primes, because we can prove that they don't exist. Therefore it is generally accepted that we must assume things do not exist unless we have evidence that they do. Even theists follow this rule most of the time; they don't believe in unicorns, even though they can't conclusively prove that no unicorns exist anywhere. To assume that God exists is to make an assumption which probably cannot be tested. We cannot make an exhaustive search of everywhere God might be to prove that he doesn't exist anywhere. So the sceptical atheist assumes by default that God does not exist, since that is an assumption we can test. Those who profess strong atheism usually do not claim that no sort of God exists; instead, they generally restrict their claims so as to cover varieties of God described by followers of various religions. So whilst it may be impossible to prove conclusively that no God exists, it may be possible to prove that (say) a God as described by a particular religious book does not exist. It may even be possible to prove that no God described by any present-day religion exists. In practice, believing that no God described by any religion exists is very close to believing that no God exists. However, it is sufficiently different that counter-arguments based on the impossibility of disproving every kind of God are not really applicable. ""But what if God is essentially non-detectable?"" If God interacts with our universe in any way, the effects of his interaction must be measurable. Hence his interaction with our universe must be detectable. If God is essentially non-detectable, it must therefore be the case that he does not interact with our universe in any way. Many atheists would argue that if God does not interact with our universe at all, it is of no importance whether he exists or not. If the Bible is to be believed, God was easily detectable by the Israelites. Surely he should still be detectable today? Note that I am not demanding that God interact in a scientifically verifiable, physical way. It must surely be possible to perceive some effect caused by his presence, though; otherwise, how can I distinguish him from all the other things that don't exist? ""OK, you may think there's a philosophical justification for atheism, but isn't it still a religious belief?"" One of the most common pastimes in philosophical discussion is ""the redefinition game"". The cynical view of this game is as follows: Person A begins by making a contentious statement. When person B points out that it can't be true, person A gradually re-defines the words he used in the statement until he arrives at something person B is prepared to accept. He then records the statement, along with the fact that person B has agreed to it, and continues. Eventually A uses the statement as an ""agreed fact"", but uses his original definitions of all the words in it rather than the obscure redefinitions originally needed to get B to agree to it. Rather than be seen to be apparently inconsistent, B will tend to play along. The point of this digression is that the answer to the question ""Isn't atheism a religious belief?"" depends crucially upon what is meant by ""religious"". ""Religion"" is generally characterized by belief in a superhuman controlling power -- especially in some sort of God -- and by faith and worship. [ It's worth pointing out in passing that some varieties of Buddhism are not ""religion"" according to such a definition. ] Atheism is certainly not a belief in any sort of superhuman power, nor is it categorized by worship in any meaningful sense. Widening the definition of ""religious"" to encompass atheism tends to result in many other aspects of human behaviour suddenly becoming classed as ""religious"" as well -- such as science, politics, and watching TV. ""OK, so it's not a religion. But surely belief in atheism (or science) is still just an act of faith, like religion is?"" Firstly, it's not entirely clear that sceptical atheism is something one actually believes in. Secondly, it is necessary to adopt a number of core beliefs or assumptions to make some sort of sense out of the sensory data we experience. Most atheists try to adopt as few core beliefs as possible; and even those are subject to questioning if experience throws them into doubt. Science has a number of core assumptions. For example, it is generally assumed that the laws of physics are the same for all observers. These are the sort of core assumptions atheists make. If such basic ideas are called ""acts of faith"", then almost everything we know must be said to be based on acts of faith, and the term loses its meaning. Faith is more often used to refer to complete, certain belief in something. According to such a definition, atheism and science are certainly not acts of faith. Of course, individual atheists or scientists can be as dogmatic as religious followers when claiming that something is ""certain"". This is not a general tendency, however; there are many atheists who would be reluctant to state with certainty that the universe exists. Faith is also used to refer to belief without supporting evidence or proof. Sceptical atheism certainly doesn't fit that definition, as sceptical atheism has no beliefs. Strong atheism is closer, but still doesn't really match, as even the most dogmatic atheist will tend to refer to experimental data (or the lack of it) when asserting that God does not exist. ""If atheism is not religious, surely it's anti-religious?"" It is an unfortunate human tendency to label everyone as either ""for"" or ""against"", ""friend"" or ""enemy"". The truth is not so clear-cut. Atheism is the position that runs logically counter to theism; in that sense, it can be said to be ""anti-religion"". However, when religious believers speak of atheists being ""anti-religious"" they usually mean that the atheists have some sort of antipathy or hatred towards theists. This categorization of atheists as hostile towards religion is quite unfair. Atheist attitudes towards theists in fact cover a broad spectrum. Most atheists take a ""live and let live"" attitude. Unless questioned, they will not usually mention their atheism, except perhaps to close friends. Of course, this may be in part because atheism is not ""socially acceptable"" in many countries. A few atheists are quite anti-religious, and may even try to ""convert"" others when possible. Historically, such anti-religious atheists have made little impact on society outside the Eastern Bloc countries. (To digress slightly: the Soviet Union was originally dedicated to separation of church and state, just like the USA. Soviet citizens were legally free to worship as they wished. The institution of ""state atheism"" came about when Stalin took control of the Soviet Union and tried to destroy the churches in order to gain complete power over the population.) Some atheists are quite vocal about their beliefs, but only where they see religion encroaching on matters which are not its business -- for example, the government of the USA. Such individuals are usually concerned that church and state should remain separate. ""But if you don't allow religion to have a say in the running of the state, surely that's the same as state atheism?"" The principle of the separation of church and state is that the state shall not legislate concerning matters of religious belief. In particular, it means not only that the state cannot promote one religion at the expense of another, but also that it cannot promote any belief which is religious in nature. Religions can still have a say in discussion of purely secular matters. For example, religious believers have historically been responsible for encouraging many political reforms. Even today, many organizations campaigning for an increase in spending on foreign aid are founded as religious campaigns. So long as they campaign concerning secular matters, and so long as they do not discriminate on religious grounds, most atheists are quite happy to see them have their say. ""What about prayer in schools? If there's no God, why do you care if people pray?"" Because people who do pray are voters and lawmakers, and tend to do things that those who don't pray can't just ignore. Also, Christian prayer in schools is intimidating to non-Christians, even if they are told that they need not join in. The diversity of religious and non-religious belief means that it is impossible to formulate a meaningful prayer that will be acceptable to all those present at any public event. Also, non-prayers tend to have friends and family who pray. It is reasonable to care about friends and family wasting their time, even without other motives. ""You mentioned Christians who campaign for increased foreign aid. What about atheists? Why aren't there any atheist charities or hospitals? Don't atheists object to the religious charities?"" There are many charities without religious purpose that atheists can contribute to. Some atheists contribute to religious charities as well, for the sake of the practical good they do. Some atheists even do voluntary work for charities founded on a theistic basis. Most atheists seem to feel that atheism isn't worth shouting about in connection with charity. To them, atheism is just a simple, obvious everyday matter, and so is charity. Many feel that it's somewhat cheap, not to say self-righteous, to use simple charity as an excuse to plug a particular set of religious beliefs. To ""weak"" atheists, building a hospital to say ""I do not believe in God"" is a rather strange idea; it's rather like holding a party to say ""Today is not my birthday"". Why the fuss? Atheism is rarely evangelical. ""You said atheism isn't anti-religious. But is it perhaps a backlash against one's upbringing, a way of rebelling?"" Perhaps it is, for some. But many people have parents who do not attempt to force any religious (or atheist) ideas upon them, and many of those people choose to call themselves atheists. It's also doubtless the case that some religious people chose religion as a backlash against an atheist upbringing, as a way of being different. On the other hand, many people choose religion as a way of conforming to the expectations of others. On the whole, we can't conclude much about whether atheism or religion are backlash or conformism; although in general, people have a tendency to go along with a group rather than act or think independently. ""How do atheists differ from religious people?"" They don't believe in God. That's all there is to it. Atheists may listen to heavy metal -- backwards, even -- or they may prefer a Verdi Requiem, even if they know the words. They may wear Hawaiian shirts, they may dress all in black, they may even wear orange robes. (Many Buddhists lack a belief in any sort of God.) Some atheists even carry a copy of the Bible around -- for arguing against, of course! Whoever you are, the chances are you have met several atheists without realising it. Atheists are usually unexceptional in behaviour and appearance. ""Unexceptional? But aren't atheists less moral than religious people?"" That depends. If you define morality as obedience to God, then of course atheists are less moral as they don't obey any God. But usually when one talks of morality, one talks of what is acceptable (""right"") and unacceptable (""wrong"") behaviour within society. Humans are social animals, and to be maximally successful they must co-operate with each other. This is a good enough reason to discourage most atheists from ""anti-social"" or ""immoral"" behaviour, purely for the purposes of self-preservation. Many atheists behave in a ""moral"" or ""compassionate"" way simply because they feel a natural tendency to empathize with other humans. So why do they care what happens to others? They don't know, they simply are that way. Naturally, there are some people who behave ""immorally"" and try to use atheism to justify their actions. However, there are equally many people who behave ""immorally"" and then try to use religious beliefs to justify their actions. For example: ""Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever."" The above quote is from a statement made to the court on February 17th 1992 by Jeffrey Dahmer, the notorious cannibal serial killer of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It seems that for every atheist mass-murderer, there is a religious mass-murderer. But what of more trivial morality? A survey conducted by the Roper Organization found that behavior deteriorated after ""born again"" experiences. While only 4% of respondents said they had driven intoxicated before being ""born again,"" 12% had done so after conversion. Similarly, 5% had used illegal drugs before conversion, 9% after. Two percent admitted to engaging in illicit sex before salvation; 5% after. [""Freethought Today"", September 1991, p. 12.] So it seems that at best, religion does not have a monopoly on moral behaviour. ""Is there such a thing as atheist morality?"" If you mean ""Is there such a thing as morality for atheists?"", then the answer is yes, as explained above. Many atheists have ideas about morality which are at least as strong as those held by religious people. If you mean ""Does atheism have a characteristic moral code?"", then the answer is no. Atheism by itself does not imply anything much about how a person will behave. Most atheists follow many of the same ""moral rules"" as theists, but for different reasons. Atheists view morality as something created by humans, according to the way humans feel the world 'ought' to work, rather than seeing it as a set of rules decreed by a supernatural being. ""Then aren't atheists just theists who are denying God?"" A study by the Freedom From Religion Foundation found that over 90% of the atheists who responded became atheists because religion did not work for them. They had found that religious beliefs were fundamentally incompatible with what they observed around them. Atheists are not unbelievers through ignorance or denial; they are unbelievers through choice. The vast majority of them have spent time studying one or more religions, sometimes in very great depth. They have made a careful and considered decision to reject religious beliefs. This decision may, of course, be an inevitable consequence of that individual's personality. For a naturally sceptical person, the choice of atheism is often the only one that makes sense, and hence the only choice that person can honestly make. ""But don't atheists want to believe in God?"" Atheists live their lives as though there is nobody watching over them. Many of them have no desire to be watched over, no matter how good-natured the ""Big Brother"" figure might be. Some atheists would like to be able to believe in God -- but so what? Should one believe things merely because one wants them to be true? The risks of such an approach should be obvious. Atheists often decide that wanting to believe something is not enough; there must be evidence for the belief. ""But of course atheists see no evidence for the existence of God -- they are unwilling in their souls to see!"" Many, if not most atheists were previously religious. As has been explained above, the vast majority have seriously considered the possibility that God exists. Many atheists have spent time in prayer trying to reach God. Of course, it is true that some atheists lack an open mind; but assuming that all atheists are biased and insincere is offensive and closed-minded. Comments such as ""Of course God is there, you just aren't looking properly"" are likely to be viewed as patronizing. Certainly, if you wish to engage in philosophical debate with atheists it is vital that you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are being sincere if they say that they have searched for God. If you are not willing to believe that they are basically telling the truth, debate is futile. ""Isn't the whole of life completely pointless to an atheist?"" Many atheists live a purposeful life. They decide what they think gives meaning to life, and they pursue those goals. They try to make their lives count, not by wishing for eternal life, but by having an influence on other people who will live on. For example, an atheist may dedicate his life to political reform, in the hope of leaving his mark on history. It is a natural human tendency to look for ""meaning"" or ""purpose"" in random events. However, it is by no means obvious that ""life"" is the sort of thing that has a ""meaning"". To put it another way, not everything which looks like a question is actually a sensible thing to ask. Some atheists believe that asking ""What is the meaning of life?"" is as silly as asking ""What is the meaning of a cup of coffee?"". They believe that life has no purpose or meaning, it just is. ""So how do atheists find comfort in time of danger?"" There are many ways of obtaining comfort; from family, friends, or even pets. Or on a less spiritual level, from food or drink or TV. That may sound rather an empty and vulnerable way to face danger, but so what? Should individuals believe in things because they are comforting, or should they face reality no matter how harsh it might be? In the end, it's a decision for the individual concerned. Most atheists are unable to believe something they would not otherwise believe merely because it makes them feel comfortable. They put truth before comfort, and consider that if searching for truth sometimes makes them feel unhappy, that's just hard luck. ""Don't atheists worry that they might suddenly be shown to be wrong?"" The short answer is ""No, do you?"" Many atheists have been atheists for years. They have encountered many arguments and much supposed evidence for the existence of God, but they have found all of it to be invalid or inconclusive. Thousands of years of religious belief haven't resulted in any good proof of the existence of God. Atheists therefore tend to feel that they are unlikely to be proved wrong in the immediate future, and they stop worrying about it. ""So why should theists question their beliefs? Don't the same arguments apply?"" No, because the beliefs being questioned are not similar. Weak atheism is the sceptical ""default position"" to take; it asserts nothing. Strong atheism is a negative belief. Theism is a very strong positive belief. Atheists sometimes also argue that theists should question their beliefs because of the very real harm they can cause -- not just to the believers, but to everyone else. ""What sort of harm?"" Religion represents a huge financial and work burden on mankind. It's not just a matter of religious believers wasting their money on church buildings; think of all the time and effort spent building churches, praying, and so on. Imagine how that effort could be better spent. Many theists believe in miracle healing. There have been plenty of instances of ill people being ""healed"" by a priest, ceasing to take the medicines prescribed to them by doctors, and dying as a result. Some theists have died because they have refused blood transfusions on religious grounds. It is arguable that the Catholic Church's opposition to birth control -- and condoms in particular -- is increasing the problem of overpopulation in many third-world countries and contributing to the spread of AIDS world-wide. Religious believers have been known to murder their children rather than allow their children to become atheists or marry someone of a different religion. ""Those weren't REAL believers. They just claimed to be believers as some sort of excuse."" What makes a real believer? There are so many One True Religions it's hard to tell. Look at Christianity: there are many competing groups, all convinced that they are the only true Christians. Sometimes they even fight and kill each other. How is an atheist supposed to decide who's a REAL Christian and who isn't, when even the major Christian churches like the Catholic Church and the Church of England can't decide amongst themselves? In the end, most atheists take a pragmatic view, and decide that anyone who calls himself a Christian, and uses Christian belief or dogma to justify his actions, should be considered a Christian. Maybe some of those Christians are just perverting Christian teaching for their own ends -- but surely if the Bible can be so readily used to support un-Christian acts it can't be much of a moral code? If the Bible is the word of God, why couldn't he have made it less easy to misinterpret? And how do you know that your beliefs aren't a perversion of what your God intended? If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Bible, then why should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so? Sorry, but if someone claims that he believes in Jesus and that he murdered others because Jesus and the Bible told him to do so, we must call him a Christian. ""Obviously those extreme sorts of beliefs should be questioned. But since nobody has ever proved that God does not exist, it must be very unlikely that more basic religious beliefs, shared by all faiths, are nonsense."" That does not hold, because as was pointed out at the start of this dialogue, positive assertions concerning the existence of entities are inherently much harder to disprove than negative ones. Nobody has ever proved that unicorns don't exist, but that doesn't make it unlikely that they are myths. It is therefore much more valid to hold a negative assertion by default than it is to hold a positive assertion by default. Of course, ""weak"" atheists would argue that asserting nothing is better still. ""Well, if atheism's so great, why are there so many theists?"" Unfortunately, the popularity of a belief has little to do with how ""correct"" it is, or whether it ""works""; consider how many people believe in astrology, graphology, and other pseudo-sciences. Many atheists feel that it is simply a human weakness to want to believe in gods. Certainly in many primitive human societies, religion allows the people to deal with phenomena that they do not adequately understand. Of course, there's more to religion than that. In the industrialized world, we find people believing in religious explanations of phenomena even when there are perfectly adequate natural explanations. Religion may have started as a means of attempting to explain the world, but nowadays it serves other purposes as well. ""But so many cultures have developed religions. Surely that must say something?"" Not really. Most religions are only superficially similar; for example, it's worth remembering that religions such as Buddhism and Taoism lack any sort of concept of God in the Christian sense. Of course, most religions are quick to denounce competing religions, so it's rather odd to use one religion to try and justify another. ""What about all the famous scientists and philosophers who have concluded that God exists?"" For every scientist or philosopher who believes in a god, there is one who does not. Besides, as has already been pointed out, the truth of a belief is not determined by how many people believe it. Also, it is important to realize that atheists do not view famous scientists or philosophers in the same way that theists view their religious leaders. A famous scientist is only human; she may be an expert in some fields, but when she talks about other matters her words carry no special weight. Many respected scientists have made themselves look foolish by speaking on subjects which lie outside their fields of expertise. ""So are you really saying that widespread belief in religion indicates nothing?"" Not entirely. It certainly indicates that the religion in question has properties which have helped it so spread so far. The theory of memetics talks of ""memes"" -- sets of ideas which can propagate themselves between human minds, by analogy with genes. Some atheists view religions as sets of particularly successful parasitic memes, which spread by encouraging their hosts to convert others. Some memes avoid destruction by discouraging believers from questioning doctrine, or by using peer pressure to keep one-time believers from admitting that they were mistaken. Some religious memes even encourage their hosts to destroy hosts controlled by other memes. Of course, in the memetic view there is no particular virtue associated with successful propagation of a meme. Religion is not a good thing because of the number of people who believe it, any more than a disease is a good thing because of the number of people who have caught it. ""Even if religion is not entirely true, at least it puts across important messages. What are the fundamental messages of atheism?"" There are many important ideas atheists promote. The following are just a few of them; don't be surprised to see ideas which are also present in some religions. There is more to moral behaviour than mindlessly following rules. Be especially sceptical of positive claims. If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to find it. Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable. Make the most of your life, as it's probably the only one you'll have. It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change yourself. Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. If you must assume something, assume something it's easy to test. Don't believe things just because you want them to be true. and finally (and most importantly): All beliefs should be open to question. Thanks for taking the time to read this article. mathew -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK8AjRXzXN+VrOblFAQFSbwP+MHePY4g7ge8Mo5wpsivX+kHYYxMErFAO 7ltVtMVTu66Nz6sBbPw9QkbjArbY/S2sZ9NF5htdii0R6SsEyPl0R6/9bV9okE/q nihqnzXE8pGvLt7tlez4EoeHZjXLEFrdEyPVayT54yQqGb4HARbOEHDcrTe2atmP q0Z4hSSPpAU= =q2V5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- For information about PGP 2.2, send mail to pgpinfo@mantis.co.uk. ÿ " 5649,16,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Impeach Clinton, Reno Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 40 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) says: > >Fact: Both Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have admitted responsibility, > even grief, over the deaths in Waco. > >Fact: Regardless of who started the fire, there are more than enough > things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two. > Cruel and unusual punishment (dying tortured rabbits on tape?) > come to mind. > >Fact: It is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of > law; where death is involved, this offense carries a penalty > of life in prison. > >Fact: Impeachment is allowable for ""high crimes and misdemeanors."" > Anything that's a federal felony should qualify. > >Conclusion: We have NO CHOICE, if we are an honest people, but to > impeach Mr. Clinton, and remove Reno from office. I HEARTILY agree. Now that the BATF warrant has been unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this? NO authority for a 'no-knock"" raid NO authority to use helicopters. NO authority to search for a ""drug lab"" And, apparently, not even any authority to search for ""automatic weapons"". 51 days of GOVERNMENT LIES. " 5650,8,"From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!) Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Distribution: usa Lines: 48 In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes: >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote: >>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick >>: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) >> >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried >>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any >>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that >>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly, >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any? > >I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_. >HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made >by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they >ever made. > >Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy. There is a lot >of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather, >made to fit men, etc. I don't know of a shop in your area. There >are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose >area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order. Too hard >to tell if it'll fit. Bates custom makes leathers. You might want >to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type >of jacket your wife is interested in. Large manufacturers like >BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but >fit is iffy. > >A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting >a business doing just this sort of thing. Don't know what they >finally decided. > >Beth Seems to me that Johns H.D. in Ft Collins used to carry some honest to god womens garb.> >================================================================= >Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com >1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 >1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 >1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 >1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 >""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" > -- ZZ Top >================================================================= " 5651,8,"From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Subject: Self-Insured (was: Should liability insurance be required?) Nntp-Posting-Host: azores.crd.ge.com Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY Lines: 27 In article , viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: |> I get annoyed at insurance. Hence, I'm self-insured above |>liability. Mandating that I play their game is silly if I've a better |>game to play and everybody is still financially secure. What's involved in getting bonded? Anyone know if that's an option recognized by NYS DMV? Rod --- Roderick Sprattling | No job too great, no time too small sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com | With feet to fire and back to wall. " 5652,9,"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Summary: career defensive averages at third Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 68 Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. Third Basemen ------------- Name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88-92 Mitchell, Kevin .690 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.690 Gonzales, Rene .685 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.685 Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 Pendleton, Terry .692 .685 .631 .689 .634 0.667 Ventura, Robin ---- ---- .641 .647 .677 0.657 Wallach, Tim .728 .674 .600 .630 .665 0.657 Gruber, Kelly .717 .657 .580 .630 .664 0.650 Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 Harris, Lance ---- ---- .642 .652 ---- 0.648 Howell, Jack .656 .666 .609 ---- ---- 0.647 Williams, Matt ---- ---- .633 .653 .656 0.647 Caminiti, Ken ---- .675 .630 .653 .596 0.642 Sabo, Chris .751 .626 .616 .613 .575 0.642 Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 Buechele, Steve .647 .616 .647 .681 .599 0.635 Salazar, Luis ---- .617 .643 .637 ---- 0.632 Pecota, Bill ---- ---- ---- .629 ---- 0.629 Schmidt, Mike .628 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.628 Riles, Ernie ---- .627 ---- ---- ---- 0.627 Boggs, Wade .643 .659 .550 .653 .634 0.626 Martinez, Egdar ---- ---- .621 .645 .599 0.624 Molitor, Paul .633 .617 ---- ---- ---- 0.624 Phillips, Tony ---- ---- .623 ---- ---- 0.623 *NL Average* .643 .625 .602 .623 .603 0.619 Brookens, Tom .616 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.616 King, Jeff ---- ---- .616 ---- ---- 0.616 Seitzer, Kevin .654 .583 .593 ---- .635 0.616 *AL Average* .641 .612 .604 .620 .602 0.615 Jacoby, Brook .624 .621 .600 ---- .597 0.613 Hansen, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .611 0.611 Law, Vance .635 .576 ---- ---- ---- 0.611 Magadan, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .609 0.609 Jefferies, Greg ---- ---- ---- ---- .606 0.606 Sharperson, Mike ---- ---- .606 ---- ---- 0.606 Zeile, Todd ---- ---- ---- .614 .593 0.605 Baerga, Carlos ---- ---- ---- .604 ---- 0.604 Hayes, Chris ---- .601 .622 .606 .574 0.602 Livingstone, Scott ---- ---- ---- ---- .597 0.597 Hamilton, J. .611 .584 ---- ---- ---- 0.595 Kelly, Pat ---- ---- ---- .595 ---- 0.595 Lyons, Steve .590 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.590 Oberkfell, Ken .590 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.590 Johnson, Howard .628 .549 .611 .573 ---- 0.588 Bell, Buddy .587 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.587 Lansford, Carney .620 .578 .594 ---- .550 0.587 Presley, Jim .643 .595 .530 ---- ---- 0.584 Schu, Rick ---- .584 ---- ---- ---- 0.584 Worthington, Cal ---- .583 .575 ---- ---- 0.580 Hollins, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .577 0.577 Sheffield, Gary ---- ---- .584 ---- .567 0.575 Blauser, Jeff ---- .573 ---- ---- ---- 0.573 Fryman, Travis ---- ---- ---- .571 ---- 0.571 Gantner, Jim ---- ---- ---- .570 ---- 0.570 Gomez, Lee ---- ---- ---- .551 .542 0.546 Palmer, Dean ---- ---- ---- ---- .520 0.520 -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 5653,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Lindros will be traded!!! Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.142415.9567 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr5.163209.576@r-node.hub.org> shadow@r-node.hub.org (Jay Chu) writes: >True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! > >Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from >Montreal. > >Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) > >Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. > Another person incapable of rational thought! Gerald " 5654,6,"From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: HEAVY METAL (the magazine) for sale (NOT the MUSIC) Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com I am cleaning out the coffers. I have a virtually MINT collection of HEAVY METAL magazine. This is NOT a music mag but the really neato mag with Giger and Moebius artwork, et al. Jam packed with amazing sci-fi and fantasy artwork by many masters. All are mint with the exception of the 3 that have split seam on the cover only but are otherwise perfect, no cut outs or missing pages. I have Sep, Nov and Dec issues for 1978, ALL issues for 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983 and Jan thru Sep for 1984 (72 issues in all i believe). I will not break them up. They will be sold as a single lot. Send your offers to me. Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get 'em in person. arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com " 5655,13,"From: swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil (Steve Kirchoefer) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: misc.health.diabetes Organization: Naval Research Laboratory (Electronics Science and Technology Division) Lines: 198 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net This is the third and final call for votes for the creation of the newsgroup misc.health.diabetes. A mass acknowledgement of valid votes received as of April 19th 14:00 GMT appears at the end of this posting. Please check the list to be sure that your vote has been registered. Read the instructions for voting carefully and follow them precisely to be certain that you place a proper vote. Instructions for voting: To place a vote FOR the creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an email message to yes@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil To place a vote AGAINST creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an email message to no@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil The contents of the message should contain the line ""I vote for/against misc.health.diabetes as proposed"". Email messages sent to the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional votes for/against newsgroup creation as proposed. Conditional votes will not be accepted. Only votes emailed to the above addresses will be counted; mailed replies to this posting will be returned. In the event that more than one vote is placed by an individual, only the most recent vote will be counted. Voting will continue until 23:59 GMT, 29 Apr 93. Votes will not be accepted after this date. Any administrative inquiries pertaining to this CFV may be made by email to swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil The proposed charter appears below. -------------------------- Charter: misc.health.diabetes unmoderated 1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet, activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise, medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome. 2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice. 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Berch mcday@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu mcookson@flute.calpoly.edu mfc@isr.harvard.edu Mauricio F Contreras mg@wpi.edu Martha Gunnarson mhollowa@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu Michael Holloway misha@abacus.concordia.ca MISHA GLOUBERMAN mjb@cs.brown.edu Manish Butte MOFLNGAN@vax1.tcd.ie muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff Nancy.Block@Eng.Sun.COM Nancy Block ndallen@r-node.hub.org Nigel Allen nlr@B31.nei.nih.gov Rohrer, Nathan owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu Bill Owens pams@hpfcmp.fc.hp.com Pam Sullivan papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Paul Prescod paslowp@cs.rpi.edu pillinc@gov.on.ca Christopher Pilling pkane@cisco.com Peter Kane popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu Glenn Popelka pulkka@cs.washington.edu Aaron Pulkka pwatkins@med.unc.edu Pat Watkins rbnsn@mosaic.shearson.com Ken Robinson rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller robyn@media.mit.edu Robyn Kozierok rolf@green.mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de Rolf Schreiber sageman@cup.portal.com sasjcs@unx.sas.com Joan Stout SCOTTJOR@delphi.com scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com scs@vectis.demon.co.uk Stuart C. Squibb shan@techops.cray.com Sharan Kalwani sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com Sharen A. Rund shazam@unh.edu Matthew T Thompson shipman@csab.larc.nasa.gov Floyd S. Shipman shoppa@ERIN.CALTECH.EDU Tim Shoppa slillie@cs1.bradley.edu Susan Lillie steveo@world.std.com Steven W Orr surendar@ivy.WPI.EDU Surendar Chandra swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil Steven Kirchoefer S_FAGAN@twu.edu TARYN@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu Taryn L. Westergaard Thomas.E.Taylor@gagme.chi.il.us Thomas E Taylor tima@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM Timothy D Aanerud tsamuel%gollum@relay.nswc.navy.mil Tony Samuel U45301@UICVM.UIC.EDU M. Jacobs vstern@gte.com Vanessa Stern wahlgren@haida.van.wti.com James Wahlgren waterfal@pyrsea.sea.pyramid.com Douglas Waterfall weineja1@teomail.jhuapl.edu wgrant@informix.com William Grant YEAGER@mscf.med.upenn.edu yozzo@watson.ibm.com Ralph E. Yozzo Z919016@beach.utmb.edu Molly Hamilton -- Steve Kirchoefer (202) 767-2862 Code 6851 kirchoefer@estd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory Microwave Technology Branch Washington, DC 20375-5000 Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division " 5656,12,"From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) Subject: Fluke For Sale (was DMM Advice Needed) Keywords: Fluke 8062A $115 Article-I.D.: qiclab.1993Apr17.202510.1992 Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon. Lines: 13 I have a spare Fluke 8062A. This is a true RMS digital meter with 4.5 digit display. It's in ""average"" condition (been used) but works fine - which is what Fluke's are all about. BTW - according to the fellow who designed these meters, they can be converted to 8060A function by clipping a jumper, and adding the 2 extra switches.. Like I said $115 seems fair - these sell for $300+ new. -- Alan L. Peterman (503)-684-1984 hm & work al@qiclab.scn.rain.com It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter! " 5657,5,From: panvalka@cs.unc.edu (Anay Panvalkar) Subject: Frame buffer question for X11R5 (Sun) Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hatteras.cs.unc.edu X Window installation on a Sun4/470 with CG6 alone and with CG2 as screen:0.0 and CG6 as screen:0.1. Questions: 1) Are there any hardware configuration changes on the CG2 and/or CG6 devices that need to be made other than pulling out and inserting the CG2 frame buffer in the vme bus? 2) The CG6 is called a 'graphics accelerator' as apposed to a 'frame buffer'. What is the significance of this to the X server and how do we install the SunOS driver / X to be compatable. ----------------------- I would appreciate any information on this. I am posting this on the behalf of Dr. John Charlton (who does not have net access). Please reply to him directly at charlton@bme.unc.edu or just send it at this address and I will forward it. Thank you for your help! -Anay panvalka@cs.unc.edu 5658,9,"From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) Subject: Re: '61 Orioles Trivia Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr14.190432.1706@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.151809.1286@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, sparky@balsa.lle.rochester.edu (Michael Mueller) writes: >|> Hi All, >|> >|> Does anyone know who were the 4 pitchers for the 1961 Orioles >|> that were referred to as the ""Kiddy Corp"" because they were so young? > >Steve Barber 22 18-12 >Chuck Estrada 23 15-9 >Jack Fisher 22 10-13 >Milt Pappas 22 13-9 > This list brings to mind possible the worst trade since Babe for NONO NANNETTE, i.e., Milt Pappas for Frank Robinson, I think in 1965 ?. Robinson proceeded to win the triple crown in 1966 and may have beaten out Yaz in '67 but was injured on a slide into second when he collided with the mighty Al Weis (Chisox). jerry " 5659,5,"From: johnc@crsa.bu.edu (John Collins) Subject: Problem with MIT-SHM Organization: Boston University Lines: 27 I am trying to write an image display program that uses the MIT shared memory extension. The shared memory segment gets allocated and attached to the process with no problem. But the program crashes at the first call to XShmPutImage, with the following message: X Error of failed request: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 133 (MIT-SHM) Minor opcode of failed request: 3 (X_ShmPutImage) Segment id in failed request 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 741 Current serial number in output stream: 742 Like I said, I did error checking on all the calls to shmget and shmat that are necessary to create the shared memory segment, as well as checking XShmAttach. There are no problems. If anybody has had the same problem or has used MIT-SHM without having the same problem, please let me know. By the way, I am running OpenWindows 3.0 on a Sun Sparc2. Thanks in advance-- John C. " 5660,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> <1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu> Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: dietz@cs.rochester.edu's message of 20 Apr 93 20:48:38 GMT In article <1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes: > be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no > materials we can't get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids > and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low > grade fusion reactors. problem with 3He (aside from the difficulty in making any fusion reactor work) is that its concentration in lunar regolith is just so small -- on the order of 5 ppb or so, on average (more in some This thread reminds me of Wingo's claims some time ago about the moon as a source of titanium for use on earth. As I recall, Wingo wasn't ... even 1% of the basalts are 5% TiO2, this is trillions of tons of TiO2 at concentrations only a factor of 2-3 less than in lunar high-Ti basalts. It is difficult to see how the disadvantages of the moon could be overcome by such a small increase the concentration of the ore (never mind the richer, but less common, terrestrial ores being mined today). Why Paul, it's obvious. Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth, as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will sharply increase (we are of course not allowed to assume any developments in Ti processing). Lunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for the trendy jewelry market and certain applications of National Importance :-) :-) :-) (oops, this is sci.space... wrong rules of debate ;-) Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local use... as to why Lunar natives are cost effective, analysis has shown they will be critical in providing a sheltered manufacturing base, technological innovation, critical materials and manpower in the war between the Allies and Central Powers in about two hundred years... ;-) | Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night | | Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites | | steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? | | ""standard disclaimer"" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 | " 5661,3,"From: ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Ron Mastus) Subject: Problem with Adaptec 1542B SCSI and Jumbo Tape Drive Summary: Problem getting Jumbo Tape drive and Adaptec SCSI working together Keywords: SCSI CMS Jumbo Adaptec 1542B Tape Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 39 Hi, I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B, and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive. I had no trouble installing the Adaptec and DOS recognises both the SCSI drive and an existing IDE drive - however when I went to restore the backups from the Jumbo tape I found that it was extremely slow (estimated time 3 mins actual time 15 min!) I have no trouble restoring from the same tape to the IDE drive. I seem to remember reading that some settings had to be changed to enable the Jumbo drive and the Adaptec to work together but I can't find any mention of it in the manuals. My system config is: i486DX/33 4Mb Adaptec 1542B running 180Mb Fujitsu SCSI IDE Controller running 200Mb IDE Jumbo 250 running off floppy controller on IDE Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Ron. (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Mastus ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au 41 Mariposa Rd Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107 +61 2 918-8152 (home) Australia -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Mastus ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au 41 Mariposa Rd Phone +61 2 ???-???? 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MV#IMRG/8%=W>%145W=]V%=R-WW7?= MW=W==]W10'>%W=W=0'?=0-W==T#=0'=W=]UW0-UW0'=W=W=W27=)=T#==]W= MW4#=24!)0$""%A7=W=]U`W7=`0$EWW7=WA7?=W=W=W4""%T7?==X6%T7=WW7=` MT85W=]W=T7?==]W1=]'=1=W1W=UW1=W1T7=WW3Q%W=W=/#P\T7<\/#S=/-W1 M13P\T45%13S=/#S1/#S=/$4\/#P\W44\145%13Q%T7-%144\W3Q%/$4\/#Q% M13S=T3R6EMT\/-%%13S1T3Q%1D6EI-;^&QX9IQS4L+""S'QRR_ M+#4UORPL'BPL'C5=+'U=?1Y=NL)]'L(>?1Y=PEUT7;)]?;I])KI=LKJZ)AH: MNKJZNKK""&KH:NK(:&KH:LAH:&B9R&K*Z&AJZ)AJRLB8F&K)R&G*RNGVZ M+'2Z'GVZNKHF7;I]LB8F7;*ZLKJZ)AJZNAHFLKI=NB;""+'VZ770L'AY=?35='BQ==""R_?7U]Q[\LQRPUQS7'+&EI:<>1 M:<>_D36_D sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: Thanks Alan, that was well thought out. Even written in an entertaining style. " 5664,5,"From: susan+@andrew.cmu.EDU (Susan Straub) Subject: REGISTRATION: Andrew Tutorial & Technical Conference Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 81 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu 1993 Andrew Tutorial and Technical Conference When: Thursday and Friday, June 24 and 25, 1993 (Deadline for Registration: June 4, 1993) Where: Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sponsor: Andrew Consortium of CMU's School of Computer Science. Schedule: The Tutorial will be on Thursday, followed by dinner and the Annual Meeting. The Conference proper will be on Friday. All Conference attendees are welcome at the Annual Meeting. Wednesday, June 23 Check in: After 4:00 PM Informal Reception: 7:30 PM Thursday, June 24 Tutorial: 9:00 A.M. - 5:00 PM Conference Dinner: 6:30 PM Annual meeting: 8:00 PM Friday, June 25 Technical Conference: 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM Cost: Tutorial fee includes breaks, lunch and tutorial materials: $100 Conference fee includes conference dinner, breaks and proceedings: $100 Rooms (student housing): $50 / night Housing is tight around the campus area, so please register soon. If you prefer to stay in off-campus housing, please contact us for suggestions. Mary Anne Cowden will be handling registration. You can contact her by email, mc8b+@andrew.cmu.edu, or by phone, (412) 268-6710. Registration Form Please complete the attached form and return it to: Mary Anne Cowden Andrew Consortium Technical Conference Carnegie Mellon University Smith Hall 106 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 <- cut along here -> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Name: ______________________________________________ Address: ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ Organization: ______________________________________________ Email: ______________________________________________ Phone: ______________________________________________ Tutorial $ ___________ $100 Conference $ ___________ $100 Housing $ ___________ $50/night TOTAL ENCLOSED $ ___________ Please make checks payable to Carnegie Mellon University. " 5665,13,From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: Pittsburgh Transplan Institute Lines: 18 In article dubin@spot.colorado.edu writes: > >I recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then >drips down onto the hot elements--whatever they are--that the extreme >heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more >carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke. > Hmmm. Care to be more vague? ======================================= Howard Doyle doyle+@pitt.edu 5666,4,"From: cr@cs.strath.ac.uk (Chris Reid) Subject: Quadra 700 memory upgrade Organization: Univ. of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: simpson-06.cs.strath.ac.uk Hi folks, what exactly is the maximum memory I can put in a Quadra 700. My manual says 20MB (with 4 x 4MB SIMMs), but MacWarehouse and the like advertise 16MB SIMMs to give it a total of 68MB. Who's wrong? Has anybody got 68MB? Thanks, Chris __________________________________________________________________________ Chris Reid " 5667,15,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 182 Here is some material by Michael Davies on the subject of schism in general and Archishop Lefebvre in particular. He wrote it around 1990. The first part of the two-part article was on the scandalous activities of Archbishop Weakland (in this country), but I cut all that. And I pared down the rest to what was relevant. Joe Buehler ... Schism and Disobedience According to St. Thomas Aquinas, schism consists primarily in a refusal of submission to the Pope or communion with the members of the Church united to him. On first sight it would appear that, whatever the subjective motivation of the Archbishop, as discussed above, he must be in a state of objective schism as he has refused to submit to the Pope on a very grave matter involving his supreme power of jurisdiction. However, standard Catholic textbooks of theology make it clear that while all schisms involve disobedience not all acts of disobedience are schismatic. If this were so, as was noted at the beginning of this article, it would mean that the number of American bishops who are not schismatic would not reach double figures. The distinction between disobedience and schism is made very clear in the article on schism in the very authoritative Dictionnaire de Theologie Catholique. The article is by Father Yves Congar who is certainly no friend of Archbishop Lefebvre. He explains that schism and disobedience are so similar that they are often confused. Father Congar writes that schism involves a refusal to accept the existence of legitimate authority in the Church, for example, Luther's rejection of the papacy. Father Congar explains that the refusal to accept a decision of legitimate authority in a particular instance does not constitute schism but disobedience. The Catholic Encyclopedia explains that for a Catholic to be truly schismatic he would have to intend ""to sever himself from the Church as far as in him lies."" It adds that ""not every disobedience is schism; in order to possess this character it must include besides the transgression of the command of the superiors, a denial of their divine right to command.""Not only does Mgr. Lefebvre not deny the divine right of the Pope to command, but he affirms repeatedly his recognition of the Pope's authority and his intention of never breaking away from Rome. The Archbishop made his attitude clear in the July/August 1989 issue of 30 Days: ""We pray for the Pope every day. Nothing has changed with the consecrations last June 30. We are not sedevacantists. We recognize in John Paul II the legitimate Pope of the Catholic Church. We don't even say that he is a heretical Pope. We only say that his Modernist actions favor heresy."" ... Intrinsically Schismatic? The principal argument used by those claiming that Mgr. Lefebvre is in schism is that the consecration of a bishop without a papal mandate is an intrinsically schismatic act. A bishop who carries out such a consecration, it is claimed, becomes ipso facto a schismatic. This is not true. If such a consecration is an intrinsically schismatic act it would always have involved the penalty of excommunication. In the 1917 Code of Canon Law the offence was punished only by suspension (see Canon 2370 of the 1917 Code). Pope Pius XII had raised the penalty to excommunication as a response to the establishment of a schismatic church in China. The consecration of these illicit Chinese bishops differed radically from the consecrations carried out by Mgr. Lefebvre as the professed intention was to repudiate the authority of the Pope, that is, to deny that he has the right to govern the Church, and the illicitly consecrated Chinese bishops were given a mandate to exercise an apostolic mission. Neither Archbishop Lefebvre nor any of the bishops he has consecrated claim that they have powers of jurisdiction. They have been consecrated solely for the purpose of ensuring the survival of the Society by carrying out ordinations and also to perform confirmations. I do not wish to minimize in any way the gravity of the step take by Mgr. Lefebvre. The consecration of bishops without a papal mandate is far more serious matter than the ordination of priests as it involves a refusal in practice of the primacy or jurisdiction belonging by divine right to the Roman Pontiff. But the Archbishop could argue that the crisis afflicting the Church could not be more grave, and that grave measures were needed in response. It appears to be taken for granted by most of the Archbishop's critics that he was excommunicated for the offense of schism, and the Vatican has certainly been guilty of fostering this impression. There is not so much as a modicum of truth in this allegation. The New Code of Canon Law includes a section beginning with Canon 1364 entitled ""Penalties for Specific Offenses"" (De Poenis in Singula Dicta). The first part deals with ""Offenses against Religion and the Unity of the Church"" (De Delictis contra Religionem et Ecclesiae Unitatem). Canon 1364 deals with the offense of schism which is, evidently, together with apostasy and heresy, one of the three fundamental offenses against the unity of the Church. But the Archbishop was not excommunicated under the terms of this canon or, indeed, under any canon involving an offense against religion or the unity of the church. The canon cited in his excommunication comes from the third section of ""Penalties for Specific Offenses"" which is entitled ""Usurpation of Ecclesial Functions and Offenses in their Exercise"" (De Munerum Ecclesiasticorum Usurpatione Degue Delictis iniis Exercendis). The canon in question is Canon 1382, which reads: ""A bishop who consecrates someone bishop and the person who receives such a consecration from a bishop without a pontifical mandate incur an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication reserved to the Holy See."" The scandalous attempts to smear Archbishop Lefebvre with the offense of schism are, then, contrary to both truth and charity. A comparable smear under civil as opposed to ecclesiastical law would certainly justify legal action for libel involving massive damages. An accurate parallel would be to state that a man convicted of manslaughter had been convicted of first degree murder. I must stress that what I have written here is not the dubious opinion of laymen unversed in the intricacies of Canon Law. Canon lawyers without the least shred of sympathy for Mgr. Lefebvre have repudiated the charge of schism made against him as totally untenable. Father Patrick Yaldrini, Dean of the Faculty of Canon Law of the Institut Catholique in Paris noted in the 4 July 1988 issue of Valeurs actuelles that, as I have just explained, Mgr. Lefebvre was not excommunicated for schism but for the usurpation of an ecclesiastical function. He added that it is not the consecration of a bishop which constitutes schism but the conferral of an apostolic mission upon the illicitly consecrated bishop. It is this usurpation of the powers of the sovereign pontiff which proves the intention of establishing a parallel Church. Cardinal Rosalio Lara, President of the Pontifical Commission for the Authentic Interpretation of Canon Law, commented on the consecrations in the 10 July 1988 issue of la Repubblica. It would be hard to imagine a more authoritative opinion. The Cardinal wrote: The act of consecrating a bishop (without a papal mandate) is not in itself a schismatic act. In fact, the Code that deals with offenses is divided into two sections. One deals with offenses against religion and the unity of the Church, and these are apostasy, schism, and heresy. Consecrating a bishop with a pontifical mandate is, on the contrary, an offense against the exercise of a specific ministry. For example, in the case of the consecrations carried out by the Vietnamese Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc in 1976 and 1983, although the Archbishop was excommunicated he was not considered to have committed a schismatic act because there was no intention of a breach with the Church. .... It is not simply unjust but ludicrous to suggest that in consecrating bishops without a papal mandate Archbishop Lefebvre had the least intent of establishing a schismatic church. He is not a schismatic and will never be a schismatic. The Archbishop considers correctly that the the Church is undergoing its worst crisis since the Arian heresy, and that for the good of the Church it was necessary for him to consecrate the four bishops to ensure the future of his Society. Canon Law provides for just such a situation, and even if one believes that the future of the Society could have been guaranteed without these consecrations, the fact that the Archbishop believed sincerely that it could not means, as Canon Law states clearly, that he has not incurred excommunication. Furthermore, while the Vatican allows such prelates as Archbishop Weakland to undermine the Faith with impunity it cannot expect Catholics to pay the least attention to its sanctions against a great and orthodox Archbishop whose entire life has been devoted to the service of the Church and the salvation of souls. Dr. Eric M. de Saventhem, President of the International Una Voce Association, is one of the best informed laymen in the Church, and he knows the Archbishop intimately. Dr. de Saventhem, like myself, has no greater desire than to see a reconciliation between Mgr. Lefebvre and the Holy See during the Archbishop's lifetime. A quotation from a statement by Dr. de Saventhem which was published in the 15 February 1989 Remnant merits careful study: In retrospect, the road leading to the consecrations of 30 June appears more paved with grave Roman (and, unfortunately, also papal) omissions than with Lefebvrist ""obstinancies."" And from the eyes of an informed public this cannot be hidden by attempting to present the Archbishop's act of grave disobedience as an offense against the Faith! It is said--today--that Mgr. Lefebvre has ""an erroneous concept of Tradition."" If this were so, Cardinal Ratzinger could not, on behalf of the Pope, have addressed to the Archbishop the following words in his letter of 28 July 1987: ""Your ardent desire to safeguard Tradition by procuring for it 'the means to live and prosper' testifies to your attachment to the Faith of all time... the Holy Father understands your concern and shares it."" " 5668,4,"From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) Subject: Re: NUTEK FACES APPLE'S WRATH (article!!!!!!) READ Article-I.D.: rpi.j3g5bwq Organization: MapInfo Corporation, Troy, NY Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acm.rpi.edu In article davea@xetron.com (David P. Alverson) writes: >I believe Apple has a patent on the region features of QuickDraw. A mac >clone would have to implement regions. This is why Apple's comment was >that >they believe it is not possible to make a Mac clone without infringing >on their patents. They may have other patents like this. Apple has patented their implementation of regions, which presumably includes the internal data structure (which has never been officially documented by Apple). Apple cannot patent the concept of a region. I'm guessing that either NuTek reverse-engineered Apple's internal data structure for regions (I dunno if this would hold up in court), or they came up with their own data structure. If it's the latter, then they won't be able to draw PICT files containing regions. Besides PICT files, there aren't many places where regions are stored on disk. (QuickTime movies, perhaps?) As long as the region isn't being stored on disk and transferred from a Mac to a NuTek clone (or vice versa), it doesn't matter if NuTek uses a completely different internal data structure. I remember reading that Apple also has a patent on their ADB hardware, and that the NuTek clones would therefore be lacking an ADB port. What other patents does Apple have on the Mac? -- Joe Schwartz E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu or xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu MapInfo Corp. 200 Broadway These are my own opinions. Any similarity to the Troy, NY 12180 opinions of MapInfo Corporation is purely coincidental. " 5669,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 32 In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You >give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their >action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is >what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you >collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there >(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? For me, it would be an obvious choice: Armed self-defence is clearly and strongly protected by the Colorado Constitution and the laws of the state. In the very clear-cut situation of your hypothetical, I wouldn't have anything to fear from the police (unless I had been publicly carrying the weapon concealed, something I'm not in the habit of doing... Even then, the worst I'd have to deal with was a class 2 misdemeanor.) Even if the situation were not so clear, and I might have to worry about arrest for manslaughter or homicide, it would still be safer to wait for the police. If I were to leave and try to avoid police involvement, I'd be committing several felonies and ruining my chances of claiming self-defence in court (""If it really was self-defence,"" the prosecuter would ask, ""why did you run away and hide from the police?"") In other states, however, this decision might not be so clear-cut: If someone in, say, Washington D.C. were to use a gun in self-defence he would _automatically_ be guilty of several felony violations of that city's gun control laws. Such a person's choices would be between certain conviction for a couple of felonies versus possible conviction for half a dozen. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 5670,5,"From: tommc@hpcvusj.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland) Subject: Re: Mysterious beeping Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvusj.cv.hp.com Reply-To: tommc@cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett Packard UTD-Corvallis Lines: 41 In article , defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes: |> [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] |> [ Author was Andy DeFaria ] |> [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] |> |> For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I |> intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to |> allow ""date"" fields the following special keys: |> |> [Tt]: Insert today's date |> [+=]: Bump day up by one |> [-_]: Bump day down by one |> |> I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an |> XmText field for this. |> |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |> // |> // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys |> // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these |> // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get |> // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and |> // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. |> // |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// code deleted... >From the XmTextField man page (during discussion of resources): XmNverifyBell Specifies whether a bell will sound when an action is reversed during a verification callback. You are setting doit to false in the callback, and Text[Field] is beeping as it should. To turn off this behavior, set this boolean resource to false. Tom McFarland " 5671,13,"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Transplant Recipients Newsletter, April `93[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[DInternational Newsletter, April `93 Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 180 This will be the first of monthly postings of the newsletter of the Long Island Chapter of the Transplant Recipients International Organization (TRIO). Unfortunately, I was unable to post it before the date of this month's meeting. I'm posting it anyway, and posting it world-wide instead of regional, in the hopes that some of the information may be useful or illustrative. Also, I hope it can be used as an example and inspiration for the posting of other newsletters and data related to organ transplantation and donation. Mike Transplant Recipients International Organization Long Island Chapter P.O. Box 922 Huntington, NY 11743-0922 NEWSLETTER 516/421-3258 APRIL 1993 VOLUME IV No. 8 NEXT MEETING The next meeting is WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 at 8 pm at the Knights of Columbus Emerald Manor, 517 Uniondale Avenue in Uniondale. Our guest speaker will be Dr. Lewis Teperman. Dr. Teperman trained in Pittsburgh under Dr. Starzl and is now the Assistant Director of the Liver Transplant Program at New York University Medical Center. Dr. Teperman will discuss current trends in transplantation and treatment and will answer questions. He is a long time friend of TRIO, surgeon to many of our members, and always a gracious and delightful guest. It is sure to be a very informative, interesting and engaging evening. Our hospitality committee, Bette and Vito Suglia and Jim Spence will be well prepared, and at last the weather should be cooperative. We hope to see a very large gathering to welcome Dr. Teperman. WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 K of C UNIONDALE LAST MEETING It has been noted here before that the Long Island Chapter of TRIO has extraordinary power in predicting bad weather, being able to forecast rain, sleet and snow fully a month in advance. No TV weatherman can match us. This time we not only scored again, but we were also able to disable the Long Island Railroad, making travel REALLY difficult. None the less, many braved the snow and we had an interesting meeting and good conversation. Our scheduled speaker, Mrs. Elizabeth Linnehan, a professional nutritionist, had a family emergency and was not able to attend. She hope she will be with us in the fall to discuss diet and medications. However, Ms. Jennifer Friedman, an image consultant and sister of a liver transplant recipient was kind enough to step in on very short notice. Ms. Friedman gave us a lot of good advice about choosing clothes and makeup, (even a bit for men) to help us look well and healthy and to minimize some of the cosmetic effects of some of the medicine and drugs we take. We are most grateful to Jennifer and thank her for an entertaining evening. ANNUAL MEETING In addition to welcoming Dr. Teperman, the April meeting is also the Annual meeting of the Chapter. This is the official notice of the meeting as required by our By-Laws. The main purpose of the meeting is to review the past year, solicit member views and ideas for better ways to meet their needs, and to elect members of the Board of Directors for the coming two year term. The nominating committee has prepared the following slate for the Board. Anne (Liver Recipient) and Don Treffeisen Robert (Heart Recipient) and Eulene Smith Vito (Kidney Recipient) and Bette Suglia Kay Grenzig (Liver Recipient) Jan Schichtel (Kidney Recipient) Larry Juliano (Kidney Recipient) David Bekofsky (Director Public Education LITP) Those remaining on the Board for another year are: Robert Carroll (Liver, Kidney & Pancreas Recipient) Jerry (Kidney Recipient) and Jeanne Eichhorn Ron (Kidney Donor) and Marie Healy Peter Smith (Bone Marrow Recipient) Patricia Ann Yankus (Kidney and Pancreas Recipient) Walter Ruzak (Kidney Recipient) This may seem to be a big Board, but many hands make light work and with our various medical uncertainties, it is good to have backups for all the jobs on the Board. Therefore, in addition to the slate being presented for voting, nominations will also be accepted from the floor. There is no set number of Board members and there is plenty of work. In addition, brief treasurer's and membership reports will be given and the floor will be open for any new business, suggestions, or comments anyone would like to bring up. We will keep the formal meeting short so that we can spend the majority of the time with Dr. Teperman. FUTURE MEETINGS Remember the scheduled guests for the rest of the year. May 12 Dr. Peter Shaprio, Chief of Psychiatry Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center June 9 Dr. Felix Rappaport, Director of the Stony Brook Kidney Transplant Program. Plan on being with us the second Wednesday of each month. NOTDAW The week of April 18-24 is National Organ and Tissue Donor Awareness Week. NOTDAW. While we are planning news releases, speaking engagements and meetings with Supervisors Gullata and Gaffney, we have decided not to have our softball game because of two year's experience with miserable weather. We all can help spread the word on donor awareness, however. We have found it effective to ask your pastor, or rabbi to publish a letter or announcement in the parish bulletin, allow you to address the congregation, or include mention of the gift of life in his sermon. Attached to this Newsletter is a sample letter and fact sheet you can use. Thank you. DR. STARZL TO BE HONORED The Long Island Chapter of the American Liver Foundation will hold its annual Auction and Dinner Dance on May 7th at the Fountainbleu on Jericho Turnpike in Jericho. Dr. Thomas Starzl will be the honored guest. Tickets are $50 person and are going fast. If you'd like to meet Dr. Starzl, call Anne Treffeisen at (516) 421-3258 for details. MEMBERSHIP NEWS Congratulations to Al Reese. Al received his heart transplant in Pittsburgh after waiting 3 1/2 years. He is home and doing well after only 12 days in hospital. Arthur Michaels, liver recipient, is planning to run the Boston Marathon in April. What fantastic proof that transplantation works! We hope the national press notices. Bob McCormack, after a persistent bout with infection, had his transplanted kidney removed. He is home now, back on dialysis and feeling better. Nicole Healy, kidney recipient and daughter of Ron and Marie, spent the past several weeks in hospital in Miami with problems encountered on vacation. Marie has been with her in Florida. They are back in New York where Nicole's treatment will continue. We wish Nicole a speedy recovery. Kay Grenzig, liver recipient, is mending now after a bad fall that resulted in a broken arm and a broken leg. Kay is a candidate for the Board so we need her well soon. And best wishes to all coming out of the flu. It was a tough winter for many, but the tulips are just under the snow. SEE YOU......WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 8 PM K of C UNIONDALE DR. LEWIS TEPERMAN " 5672,3,"From: gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: School of Computer Science, McGill University Lines: 27 In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a high quality >Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony 1604S for example) and this >is where the extra cost comes from. It is also where the high bandwidth >comes from, and the fantastic image, and the large image size, etc, etc... I agree that the image is as sharp as it gets with these SONY tubes, however in the 17"" monitors using these tubes, the 2 annoying black lines on the top and bottom quarters of the tube, which are created due to the wires holding up the Invar Shadow Mask, are quite annoying after a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference, no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used the NEC 5FG would be appreciated since I want to get one right after my exams are all done (ie: about a week from now). -Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science ========================================================================= Prefered account--------------- | The sun is the same in a relative way, gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca | but you're older however also available ------- | And shorter of breath and one day tgerardi@nyx.cs.du.edu | closer to DEATH. -Floyd gerardis@musocs.bitnet | " 5673,15,From: e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein) Subject: Legal definition of religion Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 8 . It's my understanding that the U.S. Supreme Court has never given a legal definition of religion. This despite the many cases involving religion that have come before the Court. Can anyone verify or falsify this? Has any state or other government tried to give a legal definition of religion? 5674,4,"From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) Subject: 68040 Specs. Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: (if you only know one, that's fine) 1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) 2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. :) Thanks for any info you can give. Thanks. -- -Lazer (Patrick Delahanty) |WARNING!: MST3K & Star Trek fan, Macintosh user, InterNet: patrickd@wpi.wpi.edu| and Co-sysop of L/A Blues BBS! lazer@lablues.UUCP | Call L/A Blues BBS (207-777-3465 or 777-7782) * MACINTOSH USER * | for Macintosh & MS-DOS files & *FREE USENET*! " 5675,4,"From: ccw@lancelot.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Christopher Wood) Subject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last? Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article , noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes: |> In article <1993Apr11.234818.1755@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, |> jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King) wrote: |> > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops? |> They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-) Dynamic RAM is not based on flip-flops; there's basically a single transistor and capacitor to store each bit! Static RAM is based on flip-flops, and is much more expensive and much less dense. And neither has any parts that ""move"", if electrons and thermal expansion are ignored... |> noah Chris -- Chris Wood Bellcore ccw@ctt.bellcore.com " 5676,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Mar27.142431.25188@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes: >In article <1ov4toINNh0h@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes: > >On the other hand, we do a good job of implying that the person who >weighs 400lbs is ""overeating"" when in fact, the body probably doesn't >make any moral judgements about its composition. Conceivably, the >body works just as hard maintaining its weight at 400 as someone else's >does at 200. > Undoubtedly it does, to maintain such a weight. And it does so primarily by overeating. If it didn't, the weight would drop back to normal. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5677,8,"From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA Keywords: wicked-sexist Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes: >I've recently become father of twins! I don't think I can afford > to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of > the Harleys is going. > > 1988 883 XLHD > ~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife's bike :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile) Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged? > Jeff deRienzo ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | " 5678,13,"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland/cortical c.) Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Keywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat In article roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos) writes: >I am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland / cortical cell -type. I >have been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any >help. I shot off a response to this last night that I've tried to cancel. It was only a few minutes later while driving home that I remembered that your message does specifically say cortical. My first reaction had been to suggest the PC12 pheochromocytoma line. That may still be a good compromise, depending on what you're doing. Have you concidered using a mouse cell line from one of the SV40 T antigen transgenic lines? Another alternative might be primary cells from bovine adrenal cortex. Mike " 5679,9,"From: shapiro-david@yale.edu (David Shapiro) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: What, me organized? Lines: 21 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu In-reply-to: steinman@me.utoronto.ca's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 21:13:02 GMT In article steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes >out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, >not the Cubs. Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with ""no talent"" over 162 games. Well, with players, certainly. However, it is quite possible to win it all with no managerial talent. Cf. Blue Jays, 1992. David ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Shapiro | ""People can call it a monkey, but I felt like shapiro-david@yale.edu | I had a piano on my back all winter long.... shapiro@minerva.cis.yale.edu | The piano is off my back. Maybe a trombone | will be next."" -- Stan Belinda " 5680,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr20.195636.17742@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >>>Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever >>>really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of >>>a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" >> >>Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people >>come out with their hands up several weeks ago. No answer. >You didn't answer the question. The FBI took people out of >camera range. It is thus possible that they were engaging in >questionable activities. I do not feel like the cameras were out of range. Cameras watched the first confrontation. Cameras watched the banners. Cmaeras watched the final confrontation with tanks. Cameras watched the fire. When weren't cameras able to watch? When would cameras be unable to watch people coming out with their hands up? >As to your question, please tell me what you think would have happened >had the ATF goon squad knocked and asked politely several weeks >ago (as opposed to playing Rambo with a t.v. crew in tow). Well, that is what BATF should have done. Either, Koresh would have gone peaceably as he has done in the past, or perhaps it was already too close to the apocalypse in his own mind. It is hard to predict the actions of a leader who would not release the children when most rational people would. Now will you answer my question up top? > >Drew >-- >betz@gozer.idbsu.edu >*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** >*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** >*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium -- " 5681,2,"From: rfweber@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert F. Weber) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Article-I.D.: bcstec.C5wL0r.6MB Distribution: usa Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 30 james@dlss2 (James Cummings) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) writes: > |Hi, everybody: > | I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring > |looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, > |I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file > |I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for > |some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, > |etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. > | > |Anyway could me give me some help, please??? > | > In response to a ""different"" kinda wallpaper, here's what I >use. I think the original gif/whatever was called ""not_real"". The >artist name and logo is in the lower right corner. You will need VGA >I think, and I have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens. Use >this in your Windows directory and do not tile it. Hope you enjoy. >BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >begin 666 ntreal.bmp >M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! How do you convert this to a bit map??? " 5682,16,From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com NUT CASE PANICS!!!!JUMPS THE GUN ON THE NET BEFORE GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT!!!! 5683,0,"From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 40 timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: > >OK, you have disproved one thing, but you failed to ""nail"" me. > >See, nowhere in my post did I claim that something _must_ be believed in. Here >are the three possibilities: > > 1) God exists. > 2) God does not exist. > 3) I don't know. > >My attack was on strong atheism, (2). Since I am (3), I guess by what you said >below that makes me a weak atheist. [snip] >First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy. Why not try to be more honest >and include my sentence afterwards that Honest, it just ended like that, I swear! Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr ""Clam"" Bake Timmons = Bill ""Shit Stirrer Connor"" Q.E.D. Whirr click whirr...Frank O'Dwyer might also be contained in that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr ""Killfile"" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank ""Closet Theist"" O'Dwyer = the mind reels. Maybe they're all Bobby Mozumder. -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553 Kids, please don't try this at home. Remember, I post professionally. " 5684,5,"From: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com Subject: Xremote into X11R6? Reply-To: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18 Hi! I remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had been given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6. Is this true? If so, (set mode/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line X server support? Thanks! Terry Lemons Digital Equipment Corporation " 5685,4,"From: Andrew Zelenetz Subject: Centris 610 Video Problem-HELP Organization: Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zelenetz.ski.mskcc.org X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:05:44 GMT We have recently obtained a Centris 610 and it has developed an unusual video problem. Model: 610 with 8 MB/230 HD, 512K VRAM, no cards Monitor: Apple 16"" When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple monitor with 256 colors is used. I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. We were wondering if anyone has seen anything like this, and if so, how to fix it. Please also respond to azelenet@bigmac.mskcc.org. Thank you for your help. Andrew Zelenetz Molecular Biology Program Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center " 5686,2,"From: jvl@idca.tds.philips.nl (Jan van Loenen) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Lines: 47 dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >> >>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >>if anyone else had seen this. >> >As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. >It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute >or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I >susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded >a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. >Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. >It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, >I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it >before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here >usually are far more in the know. I have (had) several problems with the card. - Applications crashed when moving the mouse (VGA mode). Fixed by removing the line STACKS=0,0 from config.sys. The default value STACKS=9,256 does just fine. - Random white pixels all over the screen when moving the mouse, in a 256 color graphical mode (the hardware cursor modes). Fixed by turning off the hardware scroll (""24xmode scrolloff"") before entering the graphics mode. This also fixed the problem of the windowed DOS boxes under windows. With the hardware scroll enabled, applications write garbage outside the window. - The screensavers do not remove the cursor in 256 color modes (hardware cursor). I don't know if this is a windows problem or a driver problem. Clearly there should be two types of cursor removing functions: a remove- for-draw, which can be ignored for hardware cursors and a remove- unconditionally. Do other cards with hardware cursors have the same problem? - The VESA driver does not support the 640x480x16M TrueColor mode. (Universal VESA drivers do not run at all). ----------- DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own. _____________ _____ / /\ __ __/ /\ /____________/ \/ /\ / /____/ \ Jan van Loenen \________ \ /_/ \/_/\ \ \_____ Digital Equipment Corporation /____/ \ \ \ \ /\ \/\ \ / /\ jvl@idca.tds.philips.nl \ \/_\ \/\ \/_/ / \ \/____/ / HLDE01::LOENEN_J \___________/ \____/ \_________\/ " 5687,15,"From: shimpei@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shimpei Yamashita) Subject: Survey: Faith vs. Reason Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 55 The following is a survey we are conducting for a term project in a philosophy class. It is not meant to give us anything interesting statistically; we want to hear what kind of voices there are out there. We are not asking for full- blown essays, but please give us what you can. As I do not read these groups often, please email all responses to me at shimpei@leland.stanford.edu. As my mail account is not infinite, if you can delete the questions and just have numbered answers when you write back I would really appreciate it. Since we would like to start analyzing the result as soon as possible, we would like to have the answers by April 30. If you absolutely cannot make it by then, though, we would still liken to hear your answer. If anyone is interested in our final project please send a note to that effect would like to have the answers by April 30. If you absolutely cannot make it by then, though, we would still like to hear your answer. If anyone is interested in our final project please send a note to that effect (or better yet, include a note along with your survey response) and I'll try to email it to you, probably in late May. SURVEY: Question 1) Have you ever had trouble reconciling faith and reason? If so, what was the trouble? (For example: -Have you ever been unsure whether Creationism or Evolutionism holds more truth? -Do you practice tarot cards, palm readings, or divination that conflicts with your scientific knowledge of the world? -Does your religion require you to ignore physical realities that you have seen for yourself or makes logical sense to you?) Basically, we would like to know if you ever _BELIEVED_ in something that your _REASON_tells you is wrong. Question 2) If you have had conflict, how did/do you resolve the conflict? Question 3) If you haven't had trouble, why do you think you haven't? Is there a set of guidelines you use for solving these problems? Thank you very much for your time. -- Shimpei Yamashita, Stanford University email:shimpei@leland.stanford.edu ""There are three kinds of mathematicians: those who can count and those who can't."" [It seems to be that time of year. Please remember that he's asked for you to respond by email. --clh] " 5688,8,"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) Subject: Misc./Buying Info. Needed Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 24 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have some questions: -Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)? -Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)? Also -Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc? -Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles? ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me. Thanks a lot. -Jordan Me also. Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields fields@cis.ohio-state.edu " 5689,19,"From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Palmer) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 23 In article <1qknu0INNbhv@shelley.u.washington.edu> sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes: >In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >>In article >> >>Human blood sacrifice! Martyrdom of an innocent virgin! ""Nailed"" to a >>wooden pole! What is this obsession with male menstruation? > >Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. >Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. > >If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, >do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been >reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not >on the Endangered Species List. > > How about Cockroaches? -- ***************************** porta@wam.umd.edu **************************** What for you say you monkey when you have little fluffy tail like rabbit, rabbit! Tazmanian Devil " 5690,9,"From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering Lines: 15 cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes >out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, >not the Cubs. Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with ""no talent"" over 162 games. I would amend your definition to: underdog: a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated talent. -- Dave! " 5691,16,"From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) Subject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card) Organization: Western Washington University Distribution: usa Lines: 20 >In article <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti. com >>Seriously. There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA >>revolver. Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver. >>Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that >>autoloaders give you, that is. On a DA revolver, you get another try on a misfire. On a pistol where the trigger does not cock the hammer, like a Jennings, or an Astra M400, or a Glock, a misfire requires the slide be cycled to get the gun to function. Rather than a high capacity revolver, think of a Glock as an Astra M400 with no manual safety and a heavier trigger pull. Jim Del Vecchio " 5692,13,"From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) Subject: Lasers for dermatologists Originator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 15 Having had limited tinea pedis for more than 30 years, and finding it resistant to ALL creams and powders I have tried, I wonder why dermatologists do not use lasers to destroy the fungus. It would seem likely to be effective and inexpensive. Are there good reasons for not using lasers? I was told that dermatology had not yet reached the laser age. John McKay vax2.concordia.ca -- Deep ideas are simple. Odd groups are even. Even simples are not. " 5693,2,"From: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: Beta testers required for winsock version of Windows Trumpet Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 19 Reply-To: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam) says: >Contact me for details. > > peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au > >Peter This is posted on behalf of Peter Tattam. There is a North American mirror with the beta test version of WinTrumpet for Winsock. Please contact me or Peter for details. Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar Department of Biochemistry, CWRU axa12@po.cwru.edu For Internet Access (Telnet/FTP) in Cleveland, contact info@wariat.org Telnet to wariat.wariat.org and login as bbs Dial (216) 481-9425/9445 (V.32bis) or (216) 481-9436 (2400 bps) " 5694,3,"From: dfr@ioc.co.uk (Doug Rabson) Subject: VESA local bus Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: rhino.ioc.co.uk Organization: Intelligent Office Company Ltd. Is it possible to plug an ordinary ISA card into a VESA localbus slot? I am running out of slots and I have one spare localbus slot. -- Doug Rabson, IOC Ltd. | Email: dfr@ioc.co.uk Phone: +44 81 528 9864 | drabson@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: +44 81 528 9878 | " 5695,6,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: ST (TOS) and SF Movie Videotapes (BETA) for Sale/Trade [repost] Summary: trade for other Beta, used CD's or barter other merchandise Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: na Lines: 52 nyamane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norm Yamane) writes: > >I have the following videos for sale. All have been viewed once >and are in good condition: > >Star Trek (TOS) Collector's Edition > All 79 episodes. (39 tapes) Asking $800 for the lot. I've got 7 episodes left on *Beta* for Sale at US$8 each (neg.), or for Trade 1-for-1 for movie on Beta or a used CD; or, a package deal for $50 or whatever you care to propose in trade -- e.g., all for a set of good stereo headphones (e.g. Sony V6 or V7), an Apple IWII sheet feeder, a good used FM/Cassette stereo ""walkman"" or a hotel coupon(s) for free stays FOB New York City (guests coming!)). The remaining collection is as follows: 8 - Charlie X 11 - Dagger of the Mind 12 - Miri 17 - Shore Leave 20 - The Alternative Factor 29 - Operation-Annihilate! 33 - Who Mourns for Adonais? Numbers indicate episode numbering on the tape boxes, for those who are keeping track of what episodes they're missing in that manner. RSVP for summaries, if necessary. The tapes are all in excellent condition in the original packaging. All have been played at least once, but most have been played ONLY once, and NONE have been played more than twice. Running time: ~50 min. ea. (Unedited, uncut store-bought originals unlike those in syndication; all have *incredible* Beta HiFi sound!) I also have the following SF and Horror movies on Beta as well; US$10 (negotiable) or Trade (1-for-1 swap for movie on Beta or a used CD): The Bride (Sting, Jennifer Beales) * Buck Rogers Conquers the Universe (Buster Crabbe, Constance Moore) RSVP for my larger Beta movies/music trade list, or find it on Misc.forsale! gld PS: For those of you who may wonder, Beta is alive as a pro/hobbyist format ... there's life beyond the corner video store! (-; -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 5696,12,"From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes: |> > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old |> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac |> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to |> >sell them but have gotten NO interest. We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these. -- ...Wex " 5697,4,"From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) Subject: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when? Organization: USC-ISI Lines: 11 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.isi.edu When is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse II with all CPUs sold? jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Research Scientist et al. jas@isi.edu (Internet) | Information Sciences Institute 72511,402 (Compuserve) | University of Southern California " 5698,9,"From: aardvark@spica.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 14 In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll > have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error. At this rate they'll have 1,455 errors this season! Well maybe I'm right this time... -- Warren Usui I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10. " 5699,15,"From: dwatson@cser.encore.com (Drew Watson) Subject: Ethics vs. Freedom Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Lines: 70 Being a parent in need of some help, I ask that you bear with me while I describe the situation which plagues me... I am a divorced father. Chance would have it that ""my weekend"" with my daughter has fallen upon Easter Weekend this year. Although I am Presbyterian, I had married a Catholic woman. We decided that the Catholic moray of indoctrination of the spouse into the faith was too confining (and restrictive due to time as we had already set a date), and we were married in a Christian Church which was non-denominational. During the years of our marriage, we did not often attend church. When our daughter was born, some years later, my wife insisted that she be baptised as Catholic. This wasn't a problem with me. During a separation of five years, my ex-wife was taken ill with a disease that affected her mental capacities. She was confined to a mental ward for two months before it was diagnosed. It has since been treated ""effectively"". In other words, professionals have deemed her a functioning member of society. During the recuperation, my ex-wife has embraced Buddism. Her influence over my daughter has been substantial, and has primarily allowed me only Saturday visitation for a number of years. During this period I have read Bible study books to my daughter, and tried to keep her aware of her Christian heritage. Last fall, our divorce was finalized after a year of viscious divorce hearings. At that time I was awarded visitation rights every other weekend. At that time, I started taking my daughter to church quite often, although not every weekend. I did this to attempt to strengthen the Christian ethic and expose her to a religious community. Today, Easter Sunday, I took my daughter to church. When it came time for Communion, my daughter took the bread (The body of Christ) but left the wine (The blood of Christ) professing that she was too young for wine. She then balled the bread up in her hand and tried to descretely throw it under the pew in front of us. I feel this was a slap in the face to me, my religion, and an afront to her religious heritage. It can be construed as breaking several of the commandments if you try. I really felt dishonored by the action. My daughter is only nine years old, but I think she should have been old and mature enough to realize her actions. I have difficulty blaming her directly for religious teachings her mother swears to, but when I discussed this with my daughter she made it clear she believed in Buddhism and not Christianity. My initial response of anger (moderated) was to suggest if there is no faith in Christ then why does she celebrate Easter, or Christmas? I suggested I would never force her to practice my religious beliefs by celebrating holidays with her again. I do not want to ""drive her from the fold"", and would be willing to allow her to continue practicing Buddhism (as though I had a choice seeing her only for two days out of fourteen) but I want her to want to embrace Christianity. Any suggestions? If you have a response, please e-mail me a copy. (I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup.) (Naturally, feel free to post too!) Thanks, and I hope you've had a happy Easter. Drew -- Drew Watson Systems analysis Encore Computer Corp dwatson@encore.com (301)497-1800 || (703)691-3500 Customer services ============================================================================= " 5700,4,"Distribution: world From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: SE pricing Lines: 7 What is the value of an SE (HDFD) 4/20? -David **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 5701,7,"From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) Subject: Re: Quick question Keywords: Removing panels. Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: > How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside >on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want >to access its pins. > There is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW group must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I would like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of Honda. Thank you. -andy " 5702,8,"From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi) Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++ Organization: NSWC, Carderock Division, Annapolis, MD, USA Lines: 15 In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: > >> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about >it! I bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville last spring. Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147 DoD #0603 MGNOC #12998 '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II ""What kinda bikes that?"" A Moto Guzzi. ""What's that?"" Its Italian. -- Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD 21402 cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147 " 5703,9,"From: prg@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com (Phil Gunsul) Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies Organization: AT&T Information Systems Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.060540.27397@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: | In article <1993Apr15.232551.14817@leland.Stanford.EDU> eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen) writes: | >One phrase for you....&%#! YOU!!!! | >Thanks. | | Perhaps it's time to start rec.sport.baseball.graffiti, where the kiddies | can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in | peace. | | Sherri Nichols | snichols@adobe.com Well Sherri, I'd agree with you except that most 'kiddies' have more sense than to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults.. I try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools, they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers, but I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point that I don't even edit the files anymore, just read them and throw out the trash... And thanks to all you people that think it's wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files, that's really nice... I have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the .sig. Don't get me wrong, I know all the words you do, (and I've even made up some of my own!) or I wouldn't be able to edit them out ;^) but this just doesn't seem to be the place, a public forum, to spew foul language, sorry.. Thanks to all you people that keep in mind, there might be some decent, young people, interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup.. They enjoy your articles. Phil " 5704,18,"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic? Organization: WINCO Lines: 32 In article ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: >In article <1993Mar31.185128.5668@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes: >>In article <1pasrg$ife@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes: >>> >>> The title is self-explanatory; Isaac Asimov once pointed out >>>that curious fact. >> >>Well, since tax evasion is illegal, one generally would not bother to >>consider whether it was unpatriotic or not. How often does one think >>of murder as being unpatriotic? >> >>Perhaps a more appropriate question would be ""why is tax *avoidance* not >>considered unpatriotic?"". The answer to this is simple. Tax avoidance >>is simply defined as paying the minimum tax you are legally obligated to >>pay. > >There is a deeper reason. Taxes, by their very nature, are un-American. >One need only look at the birth and history of the US to see this fact. Wasn't the beef with the English over ""taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION"", not taxation itself? From my admittedly dim recollection of US history, most of the problems we Americans have had with taxes have been with unfair/unjust taxation schemes, not with taxes themselves. It's pretty hard to run a government without any means of support. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5705,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. Tim -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 5706,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Clarification: Easter Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 23 In response to a lot of email I've gotten, I need to clarify my position. I am not in favor of paganism. I am not in favor of the Easter Bunny or other non-Christian aspects of Easter as presently celebrated. (Incidentally, Easter eggs are not non-Christian; they are a way of ending the Lenten fast.) My point was to distinguish between (1) intentionally worshipping a pagan deity, and (2) doing something which may once have had pagan associations, but nowadays is not understood or intended as such. Many people who are doing (2) are being accused of (1). It would be illogical to claim that one is ""really"" worshipping a pagan deity without knowing it. Worship is a matter of intention. One cannot worship without knowing that one is doing so. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 5707,7,"From: bw662@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Cray) Subject: Re: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with it. Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has enough power for me. The only problem I found was a small selection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here. -- " 5708,3,"From: spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro) Subject: Re: NEW CD-ROM for Gateways', and misc. info Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 15 Terry Clark (tclark@news.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote: : The upgrade to a Nanao 550i is now $765. : (this monitor will handle 1280x1024 at a vertical refresh : of 72-76Hz). Not according to Nanao. The 550i will not do better than 60Hz at 1280x1024. BTW, Gateway told me the same thing. -- Phil ------------------------------------------- Phil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647 " 5709,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 30 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the > effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading > between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one > respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and > local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally. Instead of reading between the lines, try to think a little bit. OK, if that's way too difficult to you, here are some hints. Indeed, the new proposal imposes some additional burocratic burden on the local police, if they badly want to tape the magic cookie recipie that your mom is telling you on the phone. So, guess what they will do? Propose that the new technology is removed? Or implement some ""facilitations""? Of course, you won't want to wait until they get the approval from two different agencies to decrypt the conversation between two child molesters, because meanwhile those two child molesters might be conspiring about molesting your child, right? So, there should be some way for them to get access to those keys -quickly-, right? Like, they could have a copy of the database, and worry about a warrant later... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 5710,13,"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN610 Medical News Part 4/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 577 ------------- cut here ----------------- limits of AZT's efficacy and now suggest using the drug either sequentially with other drugs or in a kind of AIDS treatment ""cocktail"" combining a number of drugs to fight the virus all at once. ""Treating people with AZT alone doesn't happen in the real world anymore,"" said Dr. Mark Jacobson of the University of California--San Francisco. Also, with recent findings indicating that HIV replicates rapidly in the lymph nodes after infection, physicians may begin pushing even harder for early treatment of HIV-infected patients. ================================================================== ""New Infectious Disease Push"" American Medical News (04/05/93) Vol. 36, No. 13, P. 2 The Center for Disease Control will launch a worldwide network to track the spread of infectious diseases and detect drug-resistant or new strains in time to help prevent their spread. The network is expected to cost between $75 million and $125 million but is an essential part of the Clinton administration's health reform plan, according to the CDC and outside experts. The plan will require the CDC to enhance surveillance of disease in the United States and establish about 15 facilities across the world to track disease. ===================================================================== April 13, 1993 ===================================================================== ""NIH Plans to Begin AIDS Drug Trials at Earlier Stage"" Nature (04/01/93) Vol. 362, No. 6419, P. 382 (Macilwain, Colin) HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 42 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 The National Institutes of Health has announced it will start treating HIV-positive patients as soon as possible after seroconversion, resulting from recent findings that show HIV is active in the body in large numbers much earlier than was previously believed. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), said, ""We must address the question of how to treat people as early as we possibly can with drugs that are safe enough to give people for years and that will get around microbial resistance."" He said any delay would signify questions over safety and resistance rather than a lack of funds. Fauci, who co- authored one of the two papers published last week in Nature, rejects the argument by one of his co-authors, Cecil Fox, that the new discovery indicates that ""$1 billion spent on vaccine trials"" has been ""a waste of time and money"" because the trials were started too long after the patients were infected and were ended too quickly. John Tew of the Medical College of Virginia in Richmond claims that the new evidence strongly backs the argument for early treatment of HIV-infected patients. AIDS activists welcomed the new information but said the scientific community has been slow to understand the significance of infection of the lymph tissue. ""We've known about this for five years, but we're glad it is now in the public domain,"" said Jesse Dobson of the California-based Project Inform. But Peter Duesberg, who believes that AIDS is independent of HIV and is a result of drug abuse in the West, said, ""We are several paradoxes away from an explanation of AIDS--even if these papers are right."" ====================================================================== April 14, 1993 ====================================================================== ""Risk of AIDS Virus From Doctors Found to Be Minimal"" Washington Post (04/14/93), P. A9 The risk of HIV being transmitted from infected health-care professionals to patients is minimal, according to new research published in today's Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). This finding supports previous conclusions by health experts that the chance of contracting HIV from a health care worker is remote. Three studies in the JAMA demonstrate that thousands of patients were treated by two HIV-positive surgeons and dentists without becoming infected with the virus. The studies were conducted by separate research teams in New Hampshire, Maryland, and Florida. Each study started with an HIV-positive doctor or dentist and tested all patients willing to participate. The New Hampshire study found that none of the 1,174 patients who had undergone invasive procedures by an HIV-positive orthopedic surgeon contracted HIV. In Maryland, 413 of 1,131 patients operated on by a breast surgery specialist at Johns Hopkins Hospital were found to be HIV-negative. Similarly in Florida, 900 of 1,192 dental HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 43 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 patients, who all had been treated by an HIV-positive general dentist, were tested and found to be negative for HIV. The Florida researchers, led by Gordon M. Dickinson of the University of Miami School of Medicine, said, ""This study indicates that the risk for transmission of HIV from a general dentist to his patients is minimal in a setting in which universal precautions are strictly observed."" Related Story: Philadelphia Inquirer (04/14) P. A6 ====================================================================== ""Alternative Medicine Advocates Divided Over New NIH Research Program"" AIDS Treatment News (04/02/93) No. 172, P. 6 (Gilden, Dave) The new Office of Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes of Health has raised questions about the NIH's commitment to an effort that uses unorthodox or holistic therapeutic methods. The OAM is a small division of the NIH, with its budget only at $2 million dollars compared to more than $10 billion for the NIH as a whole. In addition, the money for available research grants is even smaller. About $500,000 to $600,000 total will be available this year for 10 or 20 grants. Kaiya Montaocean, of the Center for Natural and Traditional Medicine in Washington, D.C., says the OAM is afraid to become involved in AIDS. ""They have to look successful and there is no easy answer in AIDS,"" she said. There is also a common perception that the OAM will focus on fields the NIH establishment will find non-threatening, such as relaxation techniques and acupuncture. When the OAM called for an advisory committee conference of about 120 people last year, the AIDS community was largely missing from the meeting. In addition, activists' general lack of contact with the Office has added suspicion that the epidemic will be ignored. Jon Greenberg, of ACT-UP/New York, said, ""The OAM advisory panel is composed of practitioners without real research experience. It will take them several years to accept the nature of research."" Nevertheless, Dr. Leanna Standish, research director and AIDS investigator at the Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine in Seattle, said, ""Here is a wonderful opportunity to fund AIDS research. It's only fair to give the Office time to gel, but it's up to the public to insist that it's much, much more [than public relations]."" ====================================================================== ""Herpesvirus Decimates Immune-cell Soldiers"" Science News (04/03/93) Vol. 143, No. 14, P. 215 (Fackelmann, Kathy A.) Scientists conducting test tube experiments have found that herpesvirus- 6 can attack the human immune system's natural killer cells. This attack causes the killer cells to malfunction, diminishing an important component in the immune system's fight against diseases. Also, the herpesvirus-6 may be a factor in immune diseases, such as AIDS. In 1989, Paolo Lusso's research found that herpesvirus-6 attacks another white cell, the CD4 T-lymphocyte, which is the primary target of HIV. Lusso also found that herpesvirus-6 can HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 44 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 kill natural killer cells. Scientists previously knew that the natural killer cells of patients infected with HIV do not work correctly. Lusso's research represents the first time scientists have indicated that natural killer cells are vulnerable to any kind of viral attack, according to Anthony L. Komaroff, a researcher with Harvard Medical School. Despite the test-tube findings, scientists are uncertain whether the same result occurs in the body. Lusso's team also found that herpesvirus-6 produces the CD4 receptor molecule that provides access for HIV. CD4 T-lymphocytes express this surface receptor, making them vulnerable to HIV's attack. Researchers concluded that herpesvirus-6 cells can exacerbate the affects of HIV. ====================================================================== April 15, 1993 ==================================================================== ""AIDS and Priorities in the Global Village: To the Editor"" Journal of the American Medical Association (04/07/93) Vol. 269, No. 13, P. 1636 (Gellert, George and Nordenberg, Dale F.) All health-care workers are obligated and responsible for not only ensuring that politicians understand the dimensions of certain health problems, but also to be committed to related policies, write George Gellert and Dale F. Nordenberg of the Orange County Health Care Agency, Santa Ana, Calif., and the Emory University School of Public Health in Atlanta, Ga., respectively. Dr. Berkley's editorial on why American doctors should care about the AIDS epidemic beyond the United States details several reasons for the concerted interest that all countries share in combating AIDS. It should be noted that while AIDS leads in hastening global health interdependence, it is not the only illness doing so. Diseases such as malaria and many respiratory and intestinal pathogens have similarly inhibited the economic development of most of humanity and acted to marginalize large populations. Berkley mentions the enormous social and economic impact that AIDS will have on many developing countries, and the increased need for international assistance that will result. Berkley also cites the lack of political aggressiveness toward the AIDS epidemic in its first decade. But now there is a new administration with a promise of substantial differences in approach to international health and development in general, and HIV/AIDS in particular. Vice President Al Gore proposes in his book ""Earth in the Balance"" a major environmental initiative that includes sustainable international development, with programs to promote literacy, improve child survival, and disseminate contraceptive technology and access throughout the developing world. If enacted, this change in policy could drastically change the future of worldwide health. ==================================================================== ""AIDS and Priorities in the Global Village: In Reply"" Journal of the American HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 45 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Medical Association (04/07/93) Vol. 269, No. 13, P. 1636 (Berkley, Seth) Every nation should tackle HIV as early and aggressively as possible before the disease reaches an endemic state, even at a cost of diverting less attention to some other illnesses, writes Seth Berkley of the Rockefeller Foundation in New York, N.Y., in reply to a letter by Drs. Gellert and Nordenberg. Although it is true that diseases other than AIDS, such as malaria and respiratory and intestinal illnesses, have similarly inhibited economic development in developing countries and deserve much more attention than they are getting, Berkley disagrees with the contention that AIDS is receiving too much attention. HIV differs from other diseases, in most developing countries because it is continuing to spread. For most endemic diseases, the outcome of neglecting interventions for one year is another year of about the same level of needless disease and death. But with AIDS and its increasing spread, the cost of neglect, not only in disease burden but financially, is much greater. Interventions in the early part of a rampantly spreading epidemic like HIV are highly cost-effective because each individual infection prevented significantly interrupts transmission. Berkley says he agrees with Gellert and Nordenberg about the gigantic social and economic effects of AIDS and about the need for political leadership. But he concludes that not only is assertive political leadership needed in the United States for the AIDS epidemic, but even more so in developing countries with high rates of HIV infection and where complacency about the epidemic has been the rule. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 46 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: AIDS/HIV Articles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: First HIV Vaccine Trial Begins in HIV-Infected Children H H S N E W S ******************************************************************** U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES March 29, 1993 First HIV Vaccine Therapy Trial Begins In HIV-Infected Children The National Institutes of Health has opened the first trial of experimental HIV vaccines in children who are infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the virus that causes AIDS. The trial will compare the safety of three HIV experimental vaccines in 90 children recruited from at least 12 sites nationwide. Volunteers must be HIV- infected but have no symptoms of HIV disease. HHS Secretary Donna E. Shalala said this initial study can be seen as ""a hopeful milestone in our efforts to ameliorate the tragedy of HIV-infected children who now face the certainty they will develop AIDS."" Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and of the NIH Office of AIDS Research, said the trial ""is the first step in finding out whether vaccines can help prevent or delay disease progression in children with HIV who are not yet sick."" If these vaccines prove to be safe, more sophisticated questions about their therapeutic potential will be assessed in Phase II trials. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates 10,000 children in the United States have HIV. By the end of the decade, the World Health Organization projects 10 million children will be infected worldwide. The study will enroll children ages 1 month to 12 years old. NIAID, which funds the AIDS Clinical Trials Group network, anticipates conducting the trial at nine ACTG sites around the country and three sites participating in the ACTG but funded by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. Preliminary evidence from similar studies under way in infected adults shows that certain vaccines can boost existing HIV-specific immune responses and HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 47 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 stimulate new ones. It will be several years, however, before researchers know how these responses affect the clinical course of the disease. The results from the pediatric trial, known as ACTG 218, will be examined closely for other reasons as well. ""This trial will provide the first insight into how the immature immune system responds to candidate HIV vaccines,"" said Daniel Hoth, M.D., director of NIAID's division of AIDS. ""We need this information to design trials to test whether experimental vaccines can prevent HIV infection in children."" In the United States, most HIV-infected children live in poor inner-city areas, and more than 80 percent are minorities, mainly black or Hispanic. Nearly all HIV-infected children acquire the virus from their mothers during pregnancy or at birth. An infected mother in the United States has more than a one in four chance of transmitting the virus to her baby. As growing numbers of women of childbearing age become exposed to HIV through injection drug use or infected sexual partners, researchers expect a corresponding increase in the numbers of infected children. HIV disease progresses more rapidly in infants and children than in adults. The most recent information suggests that 50 percent of infants born with HIV develop a serious AIDS-related infection by 3 to 6 years of age. These infections include severe or frequent bouts of common bacterial illnesses of childhood that can result in seizures, pneumonia, diarrhea and other symptoms leading to nutritional problems and long hospital stays. At least half of the children in the trial will be 2 years of age or younger to enable comparison of the immune responses of the younger and older participants. All volunteers must have well-documented HIV infection but no symptoms of HIV disease other than swollen lymph glands or a mildly swollen liver or spleen. They cannot have received any anti-retroviral or immune- regulating drugs within one month prior to their entry into the study. Study chair John S. Lambert, M.D., of the University of Rochester Medical School, and co- chair Samuel Katz, M.D., of Duke University School of Medicine, will coordinate the trial assisted by James McNamara, M.D., medical officer in the pediatric medicine branch of NIAID's division of AIDS. ""We will compare the safety of the vaccines by closely monitoring the children for any side effects, to see if one vaccine produces more swollen arms or fevers, for example, than another,"" said Dr. McNamara. ""We'll also look at whether low or high doses of the vaccines stimulate immune responses or other significant laboratory or clinical effects."" He emphasized that the small study size precludes comparing these responses or effects among the three HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 48 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 products. The trial will test two doses each of three experimental vaccines made from recombinant HIV proteins. These so-called subunit vaccines, each genetically engineered to contain only a piece of the virus, have so far proved well- tolerated in ongoing trials in HIV-infected adults. One vaccine made by MicroGeneSys Inc. of Meriden, Conn., contains gp160--a protein that gives rise to HIV's surface proteins--plus alum adjuvant. Adjuvants boost specific immune responses to a vaccine. Presently, alum is the only adjuvant used in human vaccines licensed by the Food and Drug Administration. Both of the other vaccines--one made by Genentech Inc. of South San Francisco and the other by Biocine, a joint venture of Chiron and CIBA-Geigy, in Emeryville, Calif.--contain the major HIV surface protein, gp120, plus adjuvant. The Genentech vaccine contains alum, while the Biocine vaccine contains MF59, an experimental adjuvant that has proved safe and effective in other Phase I vaccine trials in adults. A low dose of each product will be tested first against a placebo in 15 children. Twelve children will be assigned at random to be immunized with the experimental vaccine, and three children will be given adjuvant alone, considered the placebo. Neither the health care workers nor the children will be told what they receive. If the low dose is well-tolerated, controlled testing of a higher dose of the experimental vaccine and adjuvant placebo in another group of 15 children will begin. Each child will receive six immunizations--one every four weeks for six months--and be followed-up for 24 weeks after the last immunization. For more information about the trial sites or eligibility for enrollment, call the AIDS Clinical Trials Information Service, 1-800-TRIALS-A, from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., EST weekdays. The service has Spanish-speaking information specialists available. Information on NIAID's pediatric HIV/AIDS research is available from the Office of Communications at (301) 496- 5717. NIH, CDC and FDA are agencies of the U.S. Public Health Service in HHS. For press inquiries only, please call Laurie K. Doepel at (301) 402-1663. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 49 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 NEW EVIDENCE THAT THE HIV CAN CAUSE DISEASE INDEPENDENTLY News from the National Institute of Dental Research There is new evidence that the human immunodeficiency virus can cause disease independently of its ability to suppress the immune system, say scientists at the National Institues of Health. They report that HIV itself, not an opportunistic infection, caused scaling skin conditions to develop in mice carrying the genes for HIV. Although the HIV genes were active in the mice, they did not compromise the animals' immunity, the researchers found. This led them to conclude that the HIV itself caused the skin disease. Our findings support a growing body of evidence that HIV can cause disease without affecting the immune system, said lead author Dr. Jeffrey Kopp of the National Institute of Dental Research (NIDR). Dr. Kopp and his colleagues described their study in the March issue of AIDS Research and Human Retroviruses. Developing animal models of HIV infection has been difficult, since most animals, including mice, cannot be infected by the virus. To bypass this problem, scientists have developed HIV-transgenic mice, which carry genes for HIV as well as their own genetic material. NIDR scientists created the transgenic mice by injecting HIV genes into mouse eggs and then implanting the eggs into female mice. The resulting litters contained both normal and transgenic animals. Institute scientists had created mice that carried a complete copy of HIV genetic material in l988. Those mice, however, became sick and died too soon after birth to study in depth. In the present study, the scientists used an incomplete copy of HIV, which allowed the animals to live longer. Some of the transgenic animals developed scaling, wart-like tumors on their necks and backs. Other transgenic mice developed thickened, crusting skin lesions that covered most of their bodies, resembling psoriasis in humans. No skin lesions developed in their normal, non-transgenic littermates. Studies of tissue taken from the wart-like skin tumors showed that they were a type of noncancerous tumor called papilloma. Although the papillomavirus can cause these skin lesions, laboratory tests showed no sign of that virus in the animals. Tissue samples taken from the sick mice throughout the study revealed the presence of a protein-producing molecule made by the HIV genetic material. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 50 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Evidence of HIV protein production proved that the viral genes were ""turned on,"" or active, said Dr. Kopp. The scientists found no evidence, however, of compromised immunity in the mice: no increase in their white blood cell count and no signs of common infections. The fact that HIV genes were active but the animals' immune systems were not suppressed confirms that the virus itself was causing the skin lesions, Dr. Kopp said. Further proof of HIV gene involvement came from a test in which the scientists exposed the transgenic animals to ultraviolet light. The light increased HIV genetic activity causing papillomas to develop on formerly healthy skin. Papilloma formation in response to increased HIV genetic activity proved the genes were responsible for the skin condition, the scientists said. No lesions appeared on normal mice exposed to the UV light. The transgenic mice used in this study were developed at NIDR by Dr. Peter Dickie, who is now with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Collaborating on the study with Dr. Kopp were Mr. Charles Wohlenberg, Drs. Nickolas Dorfman, Joseph Bryant, Abner Notkins, and Paul Klotman, all of NIDR; Dr. Stephen Katz of the National Cancer Institute; and Dr. James Rooney, formerly with NIDR and now with Burroughs Wellcome. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 51 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Clinical Consultation Telephone Service for AIDS H H S N E W S ******************************************** U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES March 4, 1993 HHS Secretary Donna E. Shalala today announced the first nationwide clinical consultation telephone service for doctors and other health care professionals who have questions about providing care to people with HIV infection or AIDS. The toll-free National HIV Telephone Consulting Service is staffed by a physician, a nurse practitioner and a pharmacist. It provides information on drugs, clinical trials and the latest treatment methods. The service is funded by the Health Resources and Services Administration and operates out of San Francisco General Hospital. Secretary Shalala said, ""One goal of this project is to share expertise so patients get the best care. A second goal is to get more primary health care providers involved in care for people with HIV or AIDS, which reduces treatment cost by allowing patients to remain with their medical providers and community social support networks. Currently, many providers refer patients with HIV or AIDS to specialists or other providers who have more experience."" Secretary Shalala said, ""This clinical expertise should be especially helpful for physicians and providers who treat people with HIV or AIDS in communities and clinical sites where HIV expertise is not readily available."" The telephone number for health care professionals is 1-800-933-3413, and it is accessible from 10:30 a.m. to 8 p.m. EST (7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. PST) Monday through Friday. During these times, consultants will try to answer questions immediately, or within an hour. At other times, physicians and health care providers can leave an electronic message, and questions will be answered as quickly as possible. Health care professionals may call the service to ask any question related to providing HIV care, including the latest HIV/AIDS drug treatment information, clinical trials information, subspecialty case referral, literature searches and other information. The service is designed for health care professionals rather than patients, families or others who have alternate sources of information or materials. When a health care professional calls the new service, the call is taken by either a clinical pharmacist, primary care physician or family nurse practitioner. All staff members have extensive experience in outpatient and inpatient primary care for people with HIV-related diseases. The consultant asks for patient-specific information, including CD4 cell count, current medications, sex, age and the patient's HIV history. This national service has grown out of a 16-month local effort that HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 52 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 responded to nearly 1,000 calls from health care providers in northern California. The initial project was funded by HRSA's Bureau of Health Professions, through its Community Provider AIDS Training (CPAT) project, and by the American Academy of Family Physicians. ""When providers expand their knowledge, they also improve the quality of care they are able to provide to their patients,"" said HRSA Administrator Robert G. Harmon. M.D., M.P.H. ""This project will be a great resource for health care professionals and the HIV/AIDS patients they serve."" ""This service has opened a new means of communication between health care professionals and experts on HIV care management,"" said HRSA's associate administrator for AIDS and director of the Bureau of Health Resources Development, G. Stephen Bowen, M.D., M.P.H. ""Providers who treat people with HIV or AIDS have access to the latest information on new drugs, treatment methods and therapies for people with HIV or AIDS."" HRSA is one of eight U.S. Public Health Service agencies within HHS. AIDS Hotline Numbers for Consumers CDC National AIDS Hotline -- 1-800-342-AIDS for information in Spanish - 1-800-344-SIDA AIDS Clinical Trials (English & Spanish) -- 1-800-TRIALS-A HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 53 ------------- cut here ----------------- -- This is the last part --------------- --- Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na " 5711,15,"From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Lines: 14 [Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used the phrase ""God-shaped hole"". --clh] ""There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us"" (or something to that effect) is generally attributed to Blaise Pascal. What I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if God is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)? ========================================================================= || Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk || || ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow. || || Standard disclaimers... || [Don't you think you're being a tad too literal with this metaphor? --clh] " 5712,18,"From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) Subject: Re: Age of Consent == Child Molestation Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 20 From article , by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese): > In article <15148@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: #>NAMBLA's presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit. #>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support #>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding #>of their rights and responsibilities. I would really, really like #>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so. > There are dozens of examples of the latter; NAMBLA is an especially > glaring one, but hardly the only one. Perhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the SF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some clue in this regard. Dozens of examples? I don't know... -- Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- AOL: BigCookie@aol.com -- USCF: L10861 ""What, me worry?"" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992 ""I'm gonna crush you!"" - Andre the Giant, 1946-1993 " 5713,11,"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Department of Mathematics Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > > [ responding to claims about Skipjack cracking engines ] > >Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack >has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that >hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build >a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. > I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart hardware?) The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. It is horribly naive to suppose that regular folks can figure out how to crack skipjack, or clipper based telephones. I'm certainly not devoting a great deal of thought to it. Andrew Molitor " 5714,7,"From: roger@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Mullane) Subject: Re: 86 Acura Integra 5-speed Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 26 I have a 1986 Acura Integra 5 speed with 95,000 miles on it. It is positively the worst car I have ever owned. I had an 83 Prelude that had 160k miles on it when I sold it, and it was still going strong . This is with religious attention to maintenance such as oil changes etc. Both cars were driven in exactly the same manner.. 1. It has gone through two clutches (which are underrated.) 2. 3 sets of tires (really eats tires in the front even with careful align) 3. All struts started leaking about 25-30k miles 4. Windshield wiper motor burned up (service note on this one) 5. Seek stop working on radio about 20k miles 6. Two timing belts. 7. Constant error signals from computer. 8. And finally. A rod bearing went out on the No. 1 piston seriously damaging the crankshaft, contaminating the engine etc. When the overhaul was done last week it required new crankshaft, one new cam shaft (has two) because the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it. The camshaft took 4 weeks to get because it is on national back order. Everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year. They went to a new design in 87. Parts are very expensive. No way would I ever buy another Acura. It is highly overrated. . " 5715,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 2 Good luck. " 5716,5,"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Subject: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Opening (part 2 of 2) Article-I.D.: toad.32195 Expires: 7 May 93 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: chongo@toad.com.UUCP (Landon C. Noll) Distribution: world Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 1382 Enclosed are the rules, guidelines and related information for the 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest. (This is part 2 of a 2 part shar file). Enjoy! chongo /\oo/\ Larry Bassel =-= #!/bin/sh # This is part 02 of a multipart archive # ============= mkentry.c ============== echo ""x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c && X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.24 3/1/93 02:28:49 */ X/* X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X */ X/* X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry X * X * usage: X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry X * X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file X * X * compile by: X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry X */ X/* X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992. X * X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. X */ X/* X * WARNING: X * X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry. X * X * Send questions or comments (but not entries) about the contest, to: X * X * ...!{sun,pacbell,uunet,pyramid}!hoptoad!judges X * judges@toad.com X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain all 3 of them, send Email X * to the address above and use the subject 'send rules'. X * X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR X * define below matches this current year. X */ X X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X X/* logic */ X#ifndef TRUE X# define TRUE 1 X#endif /* TRUE */ X#ifndef FALSE X# define FALSE 0 X#endif /* FALSE */ X#define EOF_OK TRUE X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE X X/* global limits */ X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */ X#define START_DATE ""1Mar92 0:00 UTC"" /* first confirmation received */ X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */ X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */ X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */ X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting X whitespace and {}; not followed by X whitespace or EOF */ X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */ X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */ X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */ X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */ X X/* where to send entries */ X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 ""...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"" X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 ""obfuscate@toad.com"" X X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */ X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff]) X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */ X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */ X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */ X#define UUBUILD_NAME ""build"" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */ X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */ X#define UUPROG_NAME ""prog.c"" /* name for the program's uuencode file */ X X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */ Xchar encode_str[256+1] = ""`!\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_""; X X/* global declarations */ Xchar *program; /* our name */ Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */ X X/* forward declarations */ Xvoid parse_args(); Xvoid usage(); XFILE *open_remark(); XFILE *open_build(); XFILE *open_program(); XFILE *open_output(); Xvoid output_entry(); Xvoid output_remark(); Xvoid output_author(); Xvoid output_info(); Xvoid output_build(); Xvoid output_program(); Xvoid output_end(); Xint get_line(); Xvoid output_till_dot(); Xint col_len(); Xvoid check_io(); Xvoid uuencode(); X Xmain(argc, argv) X int argc; /* arg count */ X char **argv; /* the args */ X{ X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */ X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */ X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */ X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */ X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */ X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */ X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */ X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */ X X /* X * check on the year X */ X start_time = time((long *)0); X tm = gmtime(&start_time); X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n"", X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year); X } X X /* X * parse the command line args X */ X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname); X X /* X * open/check the input and output files X * X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same X * as one of the input files. X */ X output = open_output(oname); X remark = open_remark(rname); X build = open_build(bname); X prog = open_program(pname); X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) { X exit(1); X } X X /* X * output each section X */ X output_entry(output, oname); X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname); X output_author(output, oname); X output_info(output, oname); X output_build(output, oname, build, bname); X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname); X output_end(output, oname); X X /* X * flush the output X */ X if (fflush(output) == EOF) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: flush error in %s: "", program, oname); X perror(""""); X exit(2); X } X X /* X * final words X */ X printf(""\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n"", X oname); X printf(""correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n""); X printf(""correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n""); X printf(""This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n""); X printf(""cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n""); X printf(""It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n""); X printf(""the current rules.\n\n""); X printf(""Email your entries to:\n""); X printf(""\t%s\n"", ENTRY_ADDR1); X printf(""\t%s\n\n"", ENTRY_ADDR2); X printf(""Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n""); X printf(""\tioccc entry\n\n""); X /* all done */ X exit(0); X} X X/* X * parse_args - parse the command line args X * X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command X * line syntax is correct. X */ Xvoid Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname) X int argc; /* arg count */ X char **argv; /* the args */ X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */ X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */ X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */ X{ X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */ X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */ X int i; X X /* X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand. X */ X program = argv[0]; X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) { X X /* determine the flagname */ X if (argv[i][0] != '-') { X usage(1); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X flagname = (int)argv[i][1]; X X /* determine the flag's operand */ X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') { X optarg = &argv[i][2]; X } else { X if (i+1 >= argc) { X usage(2); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } else { X optarg = argv[++i]; X } X } X X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */ X switch (flagname) { X case 'r': X *rname = optarg; X break; X case 'b': X *bname = optarg; X break; X case 'p': X *pname = optarg; X break; X case 'o': X *oname = optarg; X break; X default: X usage(3); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X } X X /* X * verify that we have all of the required flags X */ X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) { X usage(4); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X return; X} X X/* X * usage - print a usage message and exit X * X * This function does not return. X */ Xvoid Xusage(exitval) X int exitval; /* exit with this value */ X{ X fprintf(stderr, X ""usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n"", program); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n""); X exit(exitval); X} X X/* X * open_remark - open/check the remark file X * X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_remark(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */ X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */ X X /* X * open the remark input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open remark file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * look at each line X */ X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) { X X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */ X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, "" "", 4) != 0) { X ++non_indent; X } X X /* count long lines */ X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) { X /* found a line that is too long */ X ++toolong; X } X } X X /* watch for I/O errors */ X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); X X /* note long lines if needed */ X if (toolong > 0) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n"", X program, toolong, filename); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", X program); X } X X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */ X if (non_indent > 0) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n"", X program, non_indent, filename); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", X program); X } X X /* return the open file */ X rewind(stream); X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_build - open/check the build file X * X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_build(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ X X /* X * open the how to build input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * determine the size of the file X */ X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE); X return(NULL); X } X X /* return the open file */ X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_program - open/check the program source file X * X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must X * be <= 1536 bytes. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_program(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ X int count; /* special count size */ X int c; /* the character read */ X X /* X * open the program source input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open program source file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X exit(7); X } X X /* X * determine the size of the file X */ X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars X */ X count = 0; X c = 0; X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) { X /* look at non-whitespace */ X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) { X switch (c) { X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */ X case '}': X case ';': X /* peek at next char */ X c = fgetc(stream); X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) { X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */ X ungetc(c, stream); X ++count; X } X break; X default: X ++count; X break; X } X } X } X X /* watch for I/O errors */ X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); X X /* look at the special size */ X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n"", X program); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n"", X program); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n"", X program, filename, count); X return(NULL); X } X X /* return the open file */ X rewind(stream); X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_output - open/check the entry output file X * X * This function returns NULL on open error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_output(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X X /* X * open the ioccc entry output file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""w""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X exit(8); X } X X /* return the open file */ X return(stream); X} X X/* X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_entry(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */ X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ X int entry=0; /* entry number */ X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */ X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */ X char skip; /* input to skip */ X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */ X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */ X char *p; X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---entry---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the rule year X */ X fprintf(output, ""rule:\t%d\n"", RULE_YEAR); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* determine if this is a fix */ X printf(""Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ""); X printf(""previous entry (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X if (buf[0] == 'y') { X fprintf(output, ""fix:\ty\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X printf(""\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n""); X printf(""are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n""); X } else { X fprintf(output, ""fix:\tn\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* X * write the title X */ X printf(""\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n""); X printf(""followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n"", X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1); X printf(""It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n""); X printf(""incorporate your username; in the\n""); X printf(""case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n""); X printf(""of the authors.\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X do { X /* prompt and read a line */ X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) { X printf(""\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ""); X continue; X } X X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */ X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) || X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) { X printf(""\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X ok_line = 0; X } else { X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { X if (!isascii((int)*p) || X !(isalnum((int)*p) || X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) { X printf(""\ninvalid character in the title\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X ok_line = 0; X } X } X } X } while (ok_line <= 0); X fprintf(output, ""title:\t%s"", title); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the entry number X */ X printf(""\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n"", X MAX_ENTRY); X printf(""enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: "", MAX_ENTRY-1); X do { X /* get a valid input line */ X fflush(stdout); X ret = fscanf(stdin, ""%d[\n]"", &entry); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X /* skip over input until newline is found */ X do { X skip = fgetc(stdin); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X if (skip != '\n') { X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */ X entry = -1; X } X } while (skip != '\n'); X X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */ X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) { X printf( X ""\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n"", X MAX_ENTRY-1); X printf(""enter the entry number: ""); X } X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1); X fprintf(output, ""entry:\t%d\n"", entry); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the submission date X */ X /* returns a newline */ X epoch_sec = time(NULL); X fprintf(output, ""date:\t%s"", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec))); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the OS/machine host information X */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""host:""); X} X X/* X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */ X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */ X{ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */ X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---remark---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * copy the remark file to the section X */ X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) { X fputs(buf, output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK); X X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */ X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') { X fputc('\n', output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X} X X/* X * output_author - output the ---author--- section X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section. X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_author(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */ X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */ X X /* X * prompt the user for the author section X */ X printf(""\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n""); X printf(""%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n"", START_DATE); X printf(""will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n""); X X /* X * place author information for each author in an individual section X */ X do { X X /* write the start of the section */ X fprintf(output, ""---author---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the author */ X printf(""\nAuthor #%d name: "", ++auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nname too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""name:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the organization */ X printf(""\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf(""\nAuthor #%d org: "", auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""org:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the address */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf(""your country and do not include your name.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""addr:""); X X /* write the Email address */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf( X ""a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n""); X printf(""forms, list them one per line.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""email:""); X X /* write the anonymous status */ X printf(""\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? "", X auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""anon:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* determine if there is another author */ X printf(""\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X if (buf[0] == 'y') { X more_auths = TRUE; X } else { X more_auths = FALSE; X } X } while (more_auths == TRUE); X return; X} X X/* X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s) X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section. X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_info(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */ X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */ X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */ X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */ X X /* X * prompt the user for info information X */ X printf(""\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n""); X printf(""For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n""); X printf(""information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n""); X printf(""the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n""); X X /* X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it X */ X printf(""Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X while (yorn[0] == 'y') { X X /* read the filename */ X printf(""\nEnter the info filename: ""); X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) { X printf(""\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X X /* compute the basename of the info filename */ X /* remove the trailing newline */ X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1]; X *uuname = '\0'; X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */ X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) { X if (*uuname == '/') { X ++uuname; X break; X } X } X X /* attempt to open the info file */ X infile = fopen(infoname, ""r""); X if (infile == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: "", X program, infoname); X perror(""""); X continue; X } X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---info---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* uuencode the info file */ X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname); X X printf(""\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X }; X return; X} X X/* X * output_build - output the ---build--- section X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */ X char *bname; /* name of the build file */ X{ X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---build---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * uuencode the program file X */ X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME); X return; X} X X/* X * output_program - output the ---program--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */ X char *pname; /* name of program file */ X{ X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---program---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * uuencode the program file X */ X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME); X return; X} X X/* X * output_end - output the ---end--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_end(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X /* X * write the final section terminator X */ X fprintf(output, ""---end---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X return; X} X X/* X * get_line - get an answer from stdin X * X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and X * read in the answer. X * X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does X * not return if ERROR or EOF. X */ Xint Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol) X char *buf; /* input buffer */ X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */ X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */ X{ X int length; /* the length of the input line */ X X /* flush terminal output */ X fflush(stdout); X X /* read the line */ X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) { X /* report the problem */ X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* look for the newline */ X length = strlen(buf); X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') { X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */ X X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */ X do { X eatchar = fgetc(stdin); X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n'); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* report the situation */ X return 0; X } X X /* watch for long lines, if needed */ X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) { X /* report the situation */ X return 0; X } X X /* return length */ X return length; X} X X/* X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read X * X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including) X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is: X * X * leader:\tfirst line X * \tnext line X * \tnext line X * ... X * X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */ X{ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ X int count; /* lines read */ X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */ X X /* instruct the user on how to input */ X printf(""\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n""); X X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */ X count = 0; X while (!done) { X /* issue the prompt */ X printf(""%s\t"", (count>0) ? """" : leader); X fflush(stdout); X X /* get the line */ X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t""); X continue; X } X X /* note if '.' was read */ X if (strcmp(buf, "".\n"") == 0) { X done = TRUE; X } X X /* write line if we read something */ X if (!done) { X fprintf(output, ""%s\t%s"", (count++>0) ? """" : leader, buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X } X X /* if no lines read, at least output something */ X if (count <= 0) { X fprintf(output, ""%s\t.\n"", leader); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X return; X} X X/* X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach X * X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ... X */ Xint Xcol_len(string) X char *string; /* the string to examine */ X{ X int col; /* current column */ X char *p; /* current char */ X X /* scan the string */ X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { X /* note the column shift */ X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1; X } X if (*p == '\n') { X --col; X } X X /* return the highest column */ X return col; X} X X/* X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream X * X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error. X */ Xvoid Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok) X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */ X char *name; /* the name of this stream */ X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */ X{ X /* test for I/O error */ X if (ferror(stream)) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: error on %s: "", program, name); X perror(""""); X exit(1); X X /* test for EOF */ X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: EOF on %s\n"", program, name); X exit(1); X } X return; X} X X/* X * uuencode - uuencode a file X * X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed X * by the uuencode(1) utility. X * X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5) X * 4.3BSD Reno man page. X */ Xvoid Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname) X FILE *output; /* output file stream */ X char *oname; /* output filename */ X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */ X char *iname; /* input filename */ X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */ X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */ X{ X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */ X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */ X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */ X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */ X char *p; X X /* X * output the initial uuencode header X */ X fprintf(output, ""begin %o %s\n"", umode, uname); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * clear out the input buffer X */ X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { X *p = '\0'; X } X X /* X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming X * a single output line each time. X */ X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) { X X /* X * the first character is the length character X */ X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits. X */ X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) { X X /* bits 0 to 5 */ X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f; X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 6 to 11 */ X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f); X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 12 to 17 */ X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03); X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 18 to 23 */ X val = p[2]&0x3f; X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */ X fputc('\n', output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset()) X */ X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { X *p = '\0'; X } X } X X /* check the last read on the input file */ X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK); X X /* write end of uuencode file */ X fprintf(output, ""%c\nend\n"", UUENCODE(filler)); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X} SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 mkentry.c || echo ""restore of mkentry.c failed"" set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""33961""; then echo original size 33961, current size $Wc_c fi # ============= obfuscate.info ============== echo ""x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info && X1993 Obfuscated contest information X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X XThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of Xco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space Xpermits. X XHow to have your contest included in this file: X X If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file, X send a request to: X X judges@toad.com X X We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to X not exceed 2500 bytes. We typically request that your contest X include a current description of the IOCCC. X X In order to be included in this file for given year, we must X receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and X no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC. Agreement to publish your X contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15. Annual contests X that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file. X XOfficial Disclaimer: (pardon the officialese) X X The contents noted below, other than the IOCCC, are not affiliated X with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC. We reserve the X right to refuse to print information about a given contest. X X The information below was provided by the particular contest X organizer(s) and printed by permission. Please contact the X contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents. X XWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following Xinformation about contents: X X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X 10th International Obfuscated C Contest X X ""The original obfuscated contest"" X X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure. X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. X obfuscatory adj. X X GOALS OF THE CONTEST: X X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) X X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that mearly works X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language. X (see ""The New Hacker's Dictionary"" by Eric Raymond) X X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical X closing date for contests are in early May. X X The contest rules are posted to comp.unix.wizards, comp.lang.c, X misc.misc, alt.sources and comp.sources.d. If you do not have access X to these groups, or if you missed the early March posting, you may X request a copy from the judges, via Email, at; X X judges@toad.com -or- ...!{sun,uunet,utzoo,pyramid}!hoptoad!judges X X Previous contest winners are available via anonymous ftp from X ftp.uu.net under the directory /pub/ioccc. X X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall X X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules! X X Landon says: ""Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993, X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully X something will be developed after Nov 1993."" X X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu) X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl) X X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the X PostScript programming language. Its purpose: X X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details. X * To applaud those with the best tricks. X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript X programs ever. X X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide. X X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places. X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu. X X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork, X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award. X X The judges will choose the winners of each category. X X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets X and other kinds of fractal functions. X X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX. X . X SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 obfuscate.info || echo ""restore of obfuscate.info failed"" set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""6257""; then echo original size 6257, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 -- Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. " 5717,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 35 In rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: >pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) writes: >> With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the >>cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >>trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. This is known as the Savard syndrome - and we are talking Denis, not Serge. No team will ever win squat with the likes of Denis Savard in their lineup. >> They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey >>Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was >>rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 >>years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some >>good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem >>winning in May. They could tell Savard to stay home and watch the games on TV. > I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible >4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech! > Here's to Cup #23...this year! Sounds like #12 to me. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 5718,5,"From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) Subject: X Device Driver for Bird Nntp-Posting-Host: titan.iss.nus.sg Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 19 Has anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ? __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ *************************************************************************** * Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * * Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * * Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * * National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * * Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * * Singapore 0511. * * *************************************************************************** " 5719,0,"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 16 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > ""Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that > contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and > reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false."" > --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2 Does anybody have Bobby's post in which he said something like ""I don't know why there are more men than women in islamic countries. Maybe it's atheists killing the female children""? It's my personal favorite! -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. " 5720,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: (1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. (2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so (it would have discredited the Christians). -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 5721,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 19 >DATE: 18 Apr 93 23:17:25 GMT >FROM: Bake Timmons > > These Bible-lovers have got to chill out. If we all could just relax >and see atheism for what it is, the funny pages could have more material. > > Atheism denies the existence of God. This is logically bankrupt -- >where is the proof of this nonexistence? It's a joke. > > So nobody can take the above sense of atheism seriously. Perhaps Perhaps because you just made it up? Now put your skateboard away and read the FAQ. Learn something about atheism before you get off on these tangents. " 5722,1,"From: mscrap@halcyon.com (Marta Lyall) Subject: Re: Video in/out Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 Lines: 29 Organization: ""A World of Information at your Fingertips"" Keywords: In article <628@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) writes: > >I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little >advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. >I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. >What cards should I be looking into? > >Thanks, >Craig > >-- > ""To forgive is divine, to be >-Craig Williamson an airhead is human."" > Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas > craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers Craig, You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right driver. Josh West email: mscrap@halcyon.com " 5723,13,"From: jose@csd.uwo.ca (Jose Thekkumthala) Subject: recurrent volvulus Organization: Department of Computer Science, UWO, Canada Keywords: volvulus Nntp-Posting-Host: berfert.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 35 Recurrent Volvulus ------------------- This is regarding recurrent volvulus which our little boy has been suffering from ever since he was an infant. He had a surgery when he was one year old. Another surgery had to be performed one year after, when he was two years old. He turned three this February and he is still getting afflicted by this illness, like having to get hospitalised for vomitting and accompanying stomach pain.He managed not having a third surgery so far. * One thing me and my wife noticed is that his affliction peaks around the time he was born, on nearabouts, like in March every year. Any significance to this? * Why does this recur? Me and my family go through severe pain when our little boy have to undergo surgery. Why does surgery not rectify the situation? * Also, which hospital in US or Canada specialize in this malady? * What will be a good book explaining this disease in detail? * Will keeping a particular diet keep down the probability of recurrence? * As time goes on, will the probability of recurrence go down considering he is getting stronger and healthier and probably less prone to attacks? Or is this assumption wrong? * Any help throwing light on these queries will be highly appreciated. Thanks very much! jose@csd.uwo.ca " 5724,14,"From: rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Nntp-Posting-Host: ugl-gw.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 33 In article <1qjs1j$306@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > > >In the old days, their used to be Arbitron stats' that analyzed >the readership and posting volumes by group and user. > >They were available from UUNET. That's how you check the >readership of Sci.space, not some stupid unscientific attempt >to flood the newsgroup. > >I have abetter idea. WHy don't we all reply directly to the >origanator of this post, and tell him we read sci.space ;-) > > >pat Sigh. I try to make a little joke, I try to inject some humour here and what happens? In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn: ""I say, that was a _joke_, son."" I thought that the bit about McElwaine, not to mention the two smileys, would indicate to even the most humour impaired that I was JOKING. Sigh. (And will everyone who pat's suggestion (thanks bunches, pat) *please* stop sending me email.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | I shot a man just to watch him die; | Ross Borden | | I'm going to Disneyland! | rborden@ra.uvic.ca | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5725,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr15.072429.10206@sol.UVic.CA>, rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >> >>One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how >>many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are >>these individuals? >> > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > > ""Hey, I read sci.space!"" > > Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) > (This will also help answer that nagging question: ""Just what is > the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?"") A practical suggestion, to be sure, but one could *also* peek into news.lists, where Brian Reid has posted ""USENET Readership report for Mar 93."" Another posting called ""USENET READERSHIP SUMMARY REPORT FOR MAR 93"" gives the methodology and caveats of Reid's survey. (These postings failed to appear for a while-- I wonder why?-- but they are now back.) Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the ""power/influence"" of readers... Sorry, Mark. I suspect Mark, dangling out there on Fidonet, may not get news.lists so I've mailed him copies of these reports. The bottom line? +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 88 62000 1493 80% 1958 4283.9 19% 0.10 2.9% sci.space The first figure indicates that sci.space ranks 88th among most-read newsgroups. I've been keeping track sporadically to watch the growth of traffic and readership. You might be entertained to see this. Oct 91 55 71000 1387 84% 718 1865.2 21% 0.04 4.2% sci.space Mar 92 43 85000 1741 82% 1207 2727.2 13% 0.06 4.1% sci.space Jul 92 48 94000 1550 80% 1044 2448.3 12% 0.04 3.8% sci.space May 92 45 94000 2023 82% 834 1744.8 13% 0.04 4.1% sci.space (some kind of glitch in estimating number of readers happens here) Sep 92 45 51000 1690 80% 1420 3541.2 16% 0.11 3.6% sci.space Nov 92 78 47000 1372 81% 1220 2633.2 17% 0.08 2.8% sci.space (revision in ranking groups happens here(?)) Mar 93 88 62000 1493 80% 1958 4283.9 19% 0.10 2.9% sci.space Possibly old Usenet hands could give me some more background on how to interpret these figures, glitches, or the history of Reid's reporting effort. Take it to e-mail-- it doesn't belong in sci.space. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | In a churchyard in the valley Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Where the myrtle doth entwine Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | There grow roses and other posies Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Fertilized by Clementine. SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | " 5726,17,"From: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ? Originator: ahmeda@celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 59 In article , hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: |> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: |> |> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? |> ------------------------------------ |> |> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they |> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and |> attempt to starve the Gazans. |> |> [...] |> |> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and |> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas |> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all |> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> these wnderful ""freedom fighters"" attain this ultimate goal. |> |> Maybe the ""freedom fighters"" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. |> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. |> |> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I |> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. |> |> Harry. O.K., its my turn: DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their plan ! (Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity since it was coined by Bnai Brith) What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media, is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants. However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice. As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind. Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the Jews used to establish their state : Religion. Ahmed. " 5727,3,"From: biernat@rtsg.mot.com (Tim Biernat) Subject: Re: G2K/Jumbo 250 Backup Problems Keywords: tape backup gateway jumbo Nntp-Posting-Host: tophat1 Organization: Motorola, Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr19.181139.24147@den.mmc.com> snorman@den.mmc.com writes: >I have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway >486/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be >fairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail >at one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape. >Seek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the >DOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive, >get some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)? >Any hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over >and over again until it cooperates... i've been using an identical setup, except for the tower config, for several months now. from previous discussions on the net, the first thing to check for is DMA conflicts with other devices, especically if you've got any funky ones. next off, suspect your tape - try a fresh one. good luck ! -- tim " 5728,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 14 In article sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) writes: >... I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU >was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system... >P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-) The rule for the designations is that if it says MC, that means it works *exactly* the way the datasheet/book specifies. If it says XC, that means there is at least one known bug. Often these bugs are small and obscure; you might never run into them in practice. At least Motorola admits it, unlike certain other companies... -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5729,18,"From: richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) Subject: Sick and tired (was Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter) Reply-To: richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Distribution: na Lines: 92 Replying to A.J. Teel: Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now. Humbug. Those letters don't provide ""concrete proof"" of anything at all in the absence of any case law that demonstrates the method will actu- ally work for ordinary people in everyday situations. Specifically, show us some case law in which the courts have ruled that income tax is illegal and/or that ordinary working types do not have to pay income tax (and that they can legally avoid paying income tax with- out declaring themselves to be churches or some such silliness). This issue is sufficiently important that I think we have a right to expect something squarely on point from the US Supreme Court (in the case of federal tax) or a state's supreme court (for a state's income tax). Unless you can do that, I for one am unwilling to call your material ""concrete proof"". There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear their reasons for disbelief at this point. Refutation?? Refutation of what? You haven't made a case yet. You've posted plenty of claims, but you haven't given us any valid reason to believe that any court in the US will agree with you. Your claims seem on the surface to deviate so radically from the legal mainstream that I feel the burden of proof is still on =you= to show that your arguments have any merit whatsoever. And the cases you've cited involve such strange situations that I see no reason to assume that the rulings are applicable to anyone else, or that they will ultimately stand on appeal to the Supreme Court. Why can't you just cite us a case in which Joe Schmoe, a regular employee earning regular wages from a regular company, refuses to pay his income tax, gets hauled into court, is convicted of wilful tax eva- sion, and then has his conviction overturned by the US Supreme Court with a landmark 7-2 majority ruling that income tax is indeed totally voluntary? What, you say? No such case exists? Hmmm, I wonder why not; why haven't you? Shall I conclude that the point has been received and the opposition has forfeited the field? With all due respect, you can conclude anything you want. I just hope, for your own sake, that you don't conclude that anyone in a position of authority in the United States or any legitimate or illegitimate polit- ical subdivision thereof is going to agree with your conclusions. For that matter, I confess I'm thoroughly confused as to =why= you would be looking for court rulings in your favor anyway -- since I thought you told us earlier that every court in the US has been in cahoots with big banking interests since the 1938 ""admiralty jurisdiction"" coverup thing. Do you honestly expect us to believe that they'd go to all the trouble to subvert the system, and yet would still promptly slink back into their burrows in the face of anyone who knew enough to invoke the right combination of magic spells and mystic mumbo-jumbo? Not only that, but why do you even =care= what the US courts say anyway? Didn't you tell us a while back that you've disavowed all attempts by US officials to classify you as a ""14th Amendment federal citizen""? When the FBI comes to haul you away for tax evasion, why don't you just tell them they're out of their jurisdiction and should go back to Washington, D.C., where they belong? Or maybe we should all just go back to mediaeval common law, which you suggested would be better than all these statutes, codes, and the like. If you want to renounce society's legal framework, fine; we can just declare you an outlaw, OK?, and anyone who sees you driving on the roads with no license plate on your car and no driver's license in your wallet can just take you like a game animal and stew you for their supper (with plenty of veggies and a pinch of salt, but WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-207). Sorry, everyone, it's getting late, and I'm sick and tired of all this garbage. If I know what's good for me, I'll just clam up and stop try- ing to refute this nonsense, and if anyone falls for it and winds up in jail for tax evasion or what-not, it'll be on their own head. Needless to say, none of the above represents the opinions of my current employer -- who, in any case, is a Canadian and doesn't really need to care too much about US tax law. I, on the other hand, am a ""14th Amend- ment federal citizen"", with a US passport to prove it, and plan to keep on filing Form 1040's for the foreseeable future (though I will probably not owe any US income tax due to the foreign earned income exclusion and/or the foreign tax credit). -- Rich Wales // Mortice Kern Systems Inc. (MKS) 35 King St. N. // Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 2W9 // +1 (519) 884-2251 " 5730,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >Note that measures to protect yourself from >TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially. Even Macs. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 5731,13,"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) Subject: podiatry School info? Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 21 Hello, I am planning on attending Podiatry School next year. I have narrowed my choices to the Pennsylvania College of Podiatric Medicine, in Philadelphia, or the California College of Podiatric Medicine in San Francisco. If anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools, please tell me. I am having a hard time deciding which one to attend, and must make a decision very soon. thank you, Larry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT... Tonight's special guest: Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 5732,6,"From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) Subject: Squaw lift tickets available for $32 each Distribution: ba Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 14 POSTING FOR A FRIEND- I do not have these tickets. Interested parties can call John at (408) 522-1904 for more information. There are three lift tickets and they are good for anytime this season at Squaw Valley ski resort. -- Doug Fierro |\ UTS System Software O __________|_\______ CASE tools development \_.______________________| * * * * * * * * */ fierro@uts.amdahl.com __\____ |=================/ (408)746-7102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 5733,5,"From: hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) Subject: XWindows always opaque Summary: is there a way for a parent window to overpaint its childs? Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Organization: University of Hamburg, Germany Distribution: comp Lines: 9 Hi, I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are displayed one in each window? Hauke " 5734,5,"From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye) Subject: imake book review Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 12 Reply-To: adrian@ora.com NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Thanks for the many offers to review this book. If you received a review copy, please return it as soon as possible. I had a system crash and lost the list of people I sent it to! Thanks Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates adrian@ora.com " 5735,8,From: nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz) Subject: First bike: Honda Ascot? Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 10 Hi folks. I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82 Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know? Thanks. -Nathan 5736,1,"From: pvconway@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu Subject: TIN files & coutours Lines: 15 Hi! I am working on a project that needs to create contour lines from random data points. The work that I have done so far tells me that I need to look into Triangulated Irregular Networks (TIN), the Delauney criiterion, and the Krige method. Does anyone have any suggestions for references, programs and hopefully source code for creating contours. Any help with this or any surface modeling would be greatly appreciated. I can be reached at the addresses below: -- Paul Conway PVCONWAY@COPPER.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU PVCONWAY@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU " 5737,13,"From: draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com (PAM DRAPER) Subject: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis Organization: GTE Government Systems, Federal Systems Division, Chantilly, VA Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 I recently attended an allery seminar. Steroid Nasal sprays were discussed. Afterward on a one-on-one basis, I asked the speaker what if none of the Vancanese, Beconase, Nasalide, Nasalcort, or Nasalchrom work nor do any oral decongestants work. She replied that she saw an article on Vasomotor Rhinitis. That this is not an allergic reaction and that nothing other than the Afrin's and such would work. (Which in my case is true). I want to find out as much as possible about this, since I am going to see my allergist in May and want to be armed to the hilt with information; since nothing he has done with me has helped me at all and I have had no relief for 14 months. Please respond if you know anything about this and/or please let me know what articles might be helpful that I could look up in the library. " 5738,3,"From: vmp@zombie.oulu.fi (Vesa-Matti Perttunen) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? In-Reply-To: westes@netcom.com's message of 19 Apr 93 18:56:49 GMT Lines: 7 Organization: Real Life, Inc. Does your Stealth 24 have a row of DIP switches on the back plane? If so, you have the older Revision A board and the winmark results are absolutely normal. The later Revision B board benchmarks at 13 to 15 million winmarks (at least mine does in 486DX-50 toy). V " 5739,6,"From: minh@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Minh Anh Pham) Subject: <><><><>SIPPs MEMORY FORSALE<><><><> Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu <><><><> SIPPs FOR SALE <><><><> I have 16 SIPPs for sale. I upgraded a few systems memory, so I don't need these no more. They are: 11- 256x9 SIPPs @70NS 5- 256X9 SIPPs @80NS -------------------- 4 MEG TOTAL ALL FOR $110 OR 4 (1 MEG) FOR $27 NOTE: SIPPs are gernally more expensive then SIMMs These SIPPs are in good working condition........ Buyer pay shipping/handling. If interested reply to: minh@wpi.wpi.edu -- Minh Pham E-mail: minh@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnical Institute " 5740,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Eugenics Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5741,7,"From: eric@sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) Subject: Clifford Delta car alarm? Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 9 Just found a great deal on a Clifford Delta car alarm, $450 installed. Comes with glass break sensor, motion detector, and shock detector. Does anyone have one of these alarms? Are they any good? From the looks of it, its about the best on the market for the price. It's also on sale, so that's another reason to get it. I think I'll be saving almost $200. Any opinions? Eric Lucas " 5742,0," zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!odin!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: <1p88fi$4vv@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Mar30.051246.29911@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1p8nd7$e9f@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pa0stINNpqa@gap.caltech.edu> <1pan4f$b6j@fido.asd.sgi.com> Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1pieg7INNs09@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >Now along comes Mr Keith Schneider and says ""Here is an ""objective |> >moral system"". And then I start to ask him about the definitions |> >that this ""objective"" system depends on, and, predictably, the whole |> >thing falls apart. |> |> It only falls apart if you attempt to apply it. This doesn't mean that |> an objective system can't exist. It just means that one cannot be |> implemented. It's not the fact that it can't exist that bothers me. It's the fact that you don't seem to be able to define it. If I wanted to hear about indefinable things that might in principle exist as long as you don't think about them too carefully, I could ask a religious person, now couldn't I? jon. " 5743,13,"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: NEED HELP ON SCARING PLEASE Organization: University of Westminster Distribution: sci.med Lines: 18 Hi... I need information on scaring. Particularly as a result of grazing the skin I really wanted to know of 1. would a scar occur as a result of grazing 2. if yes, then would it disappear? 3. how long does a graze take to heal? 4. will hair grow on it once it has healed? 5. what is 'scar tissue'? 6. should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly? 7. is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it? Please help - any info - no matter how small will be appreciated greatly. BUT PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY because I dont read this newsgroup often (this is my first time). ....Shaz.... " 5744,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Lines: 29 In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, >should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many >years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His >latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis >of Judeo-Nazism. You mean he talks about those Jews, who, because of their self hatred, spend all their time attacking Judaism, Jews, and Israel, using the most despicable of anti-Semetic stereotypes? I don't think we need to coin a term like ""Jedeo-Nazism"" to refer to those Jews who, in their endless desire to be accepted by the Nazis, do their dirty work for them. We can just call them house Jews, fools, or anti-Semites from Jewish families. I think ""house Jews,"" a reference to a person of Jewish ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint. I think a few years free of their anti-Semetic role models would do wonders for most of them. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 5745,11,"From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) Subject: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: I.E.C.C. Lines: 21 >The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid >reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there >are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad. It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were published, one could then build physically identical clone versions of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn. Or is there a technical hack that I've missed? E.g. how about if the chips were made unprogrammed but serialized, and then shipped to the two escrow houses who programmed in their halves of the keys, but in a way that requires that secret keys known only to the escrow houses be installed as well, without which clone versions wouldn't interoperate? This is getting awfully complicated, but that's crypto for you. -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869 johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {ima|spdcc|world}!iecc!johnl ""Time is Money! Steal some today!"" " 5746,10,"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: UB Lines: 48 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr20.130822.603@exu.ericsson.se> lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se writes: >In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: >> >>Michael Collingridge writes: >> >>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, >>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other >>>team captain trivia would be appreciated. >> >>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to >>Pittsburgh? >> >>Mom. > >Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he >was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain >of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark >Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New >York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to >Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne >(you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they >strip Wendel Clark of his captaincy in Toronto ? > Buffalo seems to have started a tradition of trading its captains. Pat LaFontaine was awarded the Captaincy when Mike Ramsey was forced to give it up (Ramsey's now a Penguin). Ramsey inherited it from Mike Foligno (who's now a leaf). He in turn had inherited it from Lindy Ruff, who went I forget where. Ruff had it from Perreault, who retired, so I guess that's where the streak started. Or did it? After all, Danny Gare was captain before him, and he went to Detroit. Jim Scoenfeld, Gerry Meehan, and Floyd Smith are the others, in reverse order, last to first. I was a bit young at the time, so I'm not sure of the fate of Schoenfeld, but he ultimately went to Detroit and Boston. Meehan went to Vancouver, Atlanta and Washington. Smith seems to have hung up his skates after Buffalo, but I don't know if the captaincy was removed before or after that, or how many games he played for Buffalo. This is actually getting fascinating. :-) Captaincy in Buffalo is a sure sign you're to be traded, almost, unless you're a franchise player. -- Valerie Hammerl Birtday -(n)- An event when friends get hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu together, set your dessert on fire, then acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. " 5747,1,"From: cheinan@access.digex.com (Cheinan Marks) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 100 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] : Robert G. Carpenter writes: : >Hi Netters, : > : >I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle : >some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. : > : >Can you please offer some recommendations? : > : >I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. : > : >Thanks : > : >(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) : > : >Bob Carpenter : > The following is extracted from sumex-aim.stanford.edu. It should also be on the mirrors. I think there is source for some applications that may have some bearing on your project. Poke around the source directory. I've never used this package, nor do I know anyone who did, but the price is right :-) Hope this helps. Cheinan Abstracts of files as of Thu Apr 1 03:11:39 PST 1993 Directory: info-mac/source #### BINHEX 3d-grafsys-121.hqx **** Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:13:07 +0100 From: Christian Steffen Ove Franz To: questions@mac.archive.umich.edu Subject: 3d GrafSys 1.21 in incoming directory A 3d GrafSys short description follows: Programmers 3D GrafSys Vers 1.21 now available. Version 1.21 is mainly a bugfix for THINK C users. THIS VERSION NOW RUNS WITH THINK C, I PROMISE! The Docs now contain a chapter for C programmers on how to use the GrafSys. If you have problems, feel free to contact me. The other change is that I removed the FastPerfTrig calls from the FPU version to make it run faster. Those of you who don't know what all this is about, read on. ******** Programmers 3D GrafSys -- What it is: ------------------------------------- Didn't you always have this great game in mind where you needed some way of drawing three-dimensional scenes? Didn't you always want to write this program that visualized the structure of three-dimensional molecules? And didn't the task of writing your 3D conversions routines keep you from actually doing it? Well if the answer to any of the above questions is 'Yes, but what has it to do with this package???' , read on. GrafSys is a THINK Pascal/C library that provides you with simple routines for building, saving, loading (as resources), and manipulating (independent rotating around arbitrary achses, translating and scaling) three dimensional objects. Objects, not just simple single-line drawings. GrafSys supports full 3D clipping, animation and some (primitive) hidden- line/hidden-surface drawing with simple commands from within YOUR PROGRAM. GrafSys also supports full eye control with both perspective and parallel projections (If you can't understand a word, don't worry, this is just showing off for those who know about it. The docs that come with it will try to explain what it all means later on). GrafSys provides a powerful interface to supply your own drawing routines with data so you can use GrafSys to do the 3D transformations and your own routines to do the actual drawing. (Note that GrafSys also provides drawing routines so you don't have to worry about that if you don't want to) GrafSys 1.11 comes in two versions. One for the 881 and 020 or above processors. The other version uses fixed-point arithmetic and runs on any Mac. Both versions are *100% source compatibel*. GrafSys comes with an extensive manual that teaches you the fundamentals of 3D graphics and how to use the package. If demand is big enough I will convert the GrafSys to an object-class library. However, I feelt that the way it is implemented now makes it easier to use for a lot more people than the select 'OOP-Guild'. GrafSys is free for any non-commercial usage. Read the documentation enclosed. Enjoy, Christian Franz " 5748,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.223029.23340 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 29 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he >could see where he was backing up??? Although reverse lights on the sides No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail lights. >are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the >path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they >are colored white. Well, red and orange were already taken. Maybe white defines the direction that the car is moving in. If you really want to be able to see behind you, get some fog lamps for the back of the car. These work very well - and are a good way to get rid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone. Craig > > > >-- >Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu >******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** >*""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* >*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 5749,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: What about No-Fault? Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 31 In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes: > >Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage. Since the >majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we >would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system? > >With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the >legal costs out of the system. But it looks like motorcyclists would >get screwed. Yup. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance does NOT go down with No Fault. The crappiest drivers make out like bandits because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy drivers. The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair. Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of shit, because the rest of us end up paying more. Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two years ago now. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 5750,1,"From: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: Ray tracer for ms-dos? Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu Originator: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) Thanks in advance Daemon " 5751,12,"From: iisakkil@gamma.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? In-Reply-To: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 14:05:06 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: gamma.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland <1qpgsiINN31p@diplodocus.cis.ohio-state.edu> Lines: 15 rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes: >How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular >Motorola microcontrollers. Not hard, you can do the refreshing and access cycles by software, but this hogs most of the available CPU cycles on a low-end controller. I've seen some application note from Philips that used one of their 8051 derivatives as a printer buffer, with up to 1MB of dynamic ram that was accessed and refreshed with software bit-banging. Another alternative would be to use one of those nice DRAM controller chips that ""create static RAM appearance"" and all that, but they may be too expensive to make it worthwhile. -- Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software " 5752,19,"From: alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!)) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Longinus Software & Garden ov Delights Lines: 27 In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have >probably spent more time than you doing the same. > > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the >case. Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin off of AMORC?? i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this claim. >Study Harder, Study Smarter, not Harder! :-) -- --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- <---|---> More. More of Everything. More of Everything for Everybody. <-|-> ""Real total war has become information war, it is being fought now..."" <---|---> !MaX! Delysid - alamut@netcom.com - ALamutBBS 415.431.7541 1:125/51 --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5753,5,"From: vidya-v@acsu.buffalo.edu (vidyaranya) Subject: Red color on button on enter window. Distribution: usa Organization: UB Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: beatrix.eng.buffalo.edu This may be an FAQ, but I dont know where to get the FAQ list! My OpenLook application has a few buttons. The first button turns red(gets highlighted?) as soon as the sprite(mouse) is moved into the application window. How do I suppress this? Vidyaranya " 5754,15,"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Re: Doing the work of God??!!) Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 33 hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu writes: >down these distinctions. In him there is neither Jew nor Greek, there >is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female. If >Moslems do not know him, we may preach to them, but we don't kill ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As a muslim (spelled sometimes as Moslem) I must say that Muslims strong ly believe in Jesus. Refered in islamic text as eesau(as) Jesus ==> J - esu - s ===> esu (pronounced eee-saw) Yah we knew him well. Ideally, this war should not even be. And even in a time of war, our goal is peace. We should try to refrain from viloating the peace of others as then if we do violate, we will not have peace in ourselves. I don't like this war eaither, It is a conflict of territory. Croats, Muslims, and Serbs lived together before in peace. The rallying point is 'race'. And Im sure that there is a General out there who wouldn't mind being a president. -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu [From a Christian perspective, Moslem ideas about Jesus look rather seriously erroneous. I've generally tried to avoid discussions of Islam in this group, since soc.religion.islam is the right place for that. Thus I don't much want to go into detail. I will simply note that Moslems reject most of what Christians regard as the most essential facts about Jesus. So at least from a Christian perspective Moslems don't know Jesus. Again, this is no justification for Christians to hate Moslems or to kill them. I agree with you that this war should never be. --clh] " 5755,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Societal basis for morality Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 18 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) wrote: > we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally mandated morality? > Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your ""brother"" and say that I was > exercising my rights as I saw them, was doing what felt good, didn't want > anyone forcing their morality on me, or I don't follow your ""morality"" ? Good statement! Should we apply empirical measurements to define exact social morals? Should morals be based on social rules? On ancient religious doctrines? It seems there will *NEVER* be a common and single denominator for defining morals, and as such defining absolute and objective morals is doomed to fail as long as humans have this incredible talent of creative thinking. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5756,14,"From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? In-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:54:03 GMT Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. Lines: 25 On Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:54:03 GMT, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu said: nsmca> So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but nsmca> so was Wilbur and Orville Wright, and quite a few others.. This is a common misconception. There was nothing ""off the wall"" about the Wright Brothers. They were in correspondance with a number of other experimenters (Octave Chanute, Lillienthal, etc), they flew models, they had a wind tunnel. In short, they were quite mainstream and were not regarded as odd or eccentric by the community. I suggest you read The Bishop's Boys or the biography by Harry Gates? Combs? (I can never remember which it is--the guy that had the FBOs and owned Learjet for a while). These are both in print and easily obtainable. The Bishop's Boys is in trade paperback, even. Even better would be the multi-volume set of the Wrights' writings, but this is out of print, rare, and hideously expensive. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot " 5757,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Organization: AT&T Keywords: NHL, awards Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr5.221541.28537@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > In article smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > > > > Team Biggest Biggest > >Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund > > Fence-sitting...look at Philly's record with Eric and without... > there is no doubt. Soderstrom is probably the biggest surprise. Re Eric: True, but fortunately we didn't get to find out what they would be like without Recchi for 30 games. Soderstrom: Absolutely. 4 shutouts in 39 games for a rookie without a lot of defense in front of him. Runnerups to Galley and Fedyk who are scoring a ton over their career best. But Galley thinks he's Paul Coffey (puts scoring ahead of defending) and Fedyk has tailed off big time. Eklund: Was a big question mark this year and was coming off injuries. 42 points in 49 games is not bad at all, and recently he's been a huge factor in the wins they've gotten. Eklund has never had a point a game season in his career, his production is very typical for him. How does he qualify as a disappointment? If anything he's a surprise. My choice would be Roussel if I went strictly by what was expected of players, but I never thought that he had what it takes to be a #1 goalie. My biggest disappointment is Bill Dineen. I thought that he was going to be the perfect coach for this young team, instead he's made too many bad moves and IMHO has cost them enough games to keep them out of the playoffs this year. Any coach that thinks putting Eric Lindros at the point on power plays is a bright idea needs to go back to coaching school. pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner " 5758,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 44 In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of >proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car >cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access >to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the >time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every >day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I >see are still carrying revolvers. So? Look in the trunk some time. Heck - look at the dash. That funny thing attached with a quick-release is a gun. The ones in the trunk are ""better"". (I don't have numbers for Chicago, but Philadelphia police cars carried multiple automatic weapons and thousands of rounds as standard issue in the 60s.) >Not that there is anything wrong with a >revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple >of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a >disadvantage even with training. What is the nature of this disadvantage? If the cop can shoot, 6 rounds will do the job against a single opponent (especially since the cop has guaranteed backup). If the ""gang member"" can shoot, the extra rounds don't help. The only time this difference can matter is if neither can shoot, and cops aren't supposed to be throwing lead around like that. BTW - most cops carry multiple guns. You're not supposed to know about the second, third, and so on. >I have been at a shooting range where >gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. How do ""we"" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops or even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes? They were actually practicing >taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target >and they weren't doing too badly either. Then the extra rounds won't make any difference, so why is it an issue? -andy -- " 5759,8,"From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.) Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 22 VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote: & Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models & really mean. & Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L & and P in Suzuki VS750GLP Honda: a ""V"" designates a V engine street bike. ""VF"" for V-4, ""VT"" for V-twin. ""CB"" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine. ""R"" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike. ""CL"" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes ""CM"" was a ""custom"" street bike ""CR"" is dirt only two strokes ""XL"" is dual purpose bike ""XR"" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has an ""L"" as a suffix. ""GL"" is a touring bike -- Frank Ball 1UR-M frankb@sad.hp.com (707) 794-4168 work, Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home 1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA. " 5760,10,"From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk) Subject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu The Hawks won the Norris div, and sealed their fate. It's bad luck to win the Norris. The Hawks will sweep the Blues in their dreams but will lose in 6 in reality. I predict that in the 6 game with the Blues Belfour will go down on his knees 7000 time s and will spend the rest of the time looking behind him self. Butcher will pound Roenick and The warthawks have no one tough enough to prevent it Bye Bye Wart HAwks " 5761,3,"From: GERTHD@mvs.sas.com (Thomas Dachsel) Subject: Quantum ProDrive 80AT drive parameters needed Article-I.D.: mvs.19930406091020GERTHD Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Hi, I have got a Quantum ProDrive 80AT IDE harddisk and would like to format it. When trying to format it (*no* low-level format, just FDISK and DOS FORMAT), I somehow messed up the parameters... I had entered FDISK /MBR not exactly knowing what this does. The suggested drive type 38 formats the drive only to 21MB. I tried type 25, but this gives only around 70MB and not the nominal 80MB. Could I use user type 47? However, I don't know the actual parameters (cylinders, heads,...) Could someone give me them? And how does FDISK work together with user type 47? Please reply by email to GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM Thank you, Thomas +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Dachsel | | Internet: GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM | | Fidonet: Thomas_Dachsel@camel.fido.de (2:247/40) | | Subnet: dachsel@rnivh.rni.sub.org (UUCP in Germany, now active) | | Phone: +49 6221 4150 (work), +49 6203 12274 (home) | | Fax: +49 6221 415101 | | Snail: SAS Institute GmbH, P.O.Box 105307, D-W-6900 Heidelberg | | Tagline: One bad sector can ruin a whole day... | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 5762,1,"Subject: XV for MS-DOS !!! From: NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch Organization: EICN, Switzerland Lines: 42 Hi !!! This is the response for Wayne Michael...and certainly for other-one :-) I'm sorry for... 1) The late of the answer but I couldn't find xv221 for msdos 'cause I forgot the address...but I've retrieve it.. 2) Posting this answer here in comp.graphics 'cause I can't use e-mail, not yet.... 2) My bad english 'cause I'm a Swiss and my language is french.... After a long time I retrieve the address where you can find XV for Dos... Site : omnigate.clarkson.edu Aliases : grape.ecs.clarkson.edu Number : 128.153.4.2 /pub/msdos/djgpp/pub it's xv221.zip (?) I think... Certainly you read the other answer from Kevin Martin... He write about DV/X (?). What is it ?????? Could Someone answer ???? Thanx in advance.... -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- * * * Pascal PERRET | perret@eicn.etna.ch * * Ecole d'ingénieur ETS | (Not Available at this time)* * 2400 Le LOCLE | * * Suisse * * !!!! Enjoy COMPUTER !!!! * * * --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5763,13,"From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics Organization: University of Maryland Lines: 4 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth. " 5764,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 01/10 - Overview Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 138 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 1 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Overview. A table of contents for subsequent sections. Contributors, feedback, archives, administrivia. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part01 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 1: Overview This is the first of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read this part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. Disclaimer: This document is the product of the Crypt Cabal, a secret society which serves the National Secu---uh, no. Seriously, we're the good guys, and we've done what we can to ensure the completeness and accuracy of this document, but in a field of military and commercial importance like cryptography you have to expect that some people and organizations consider their interests more important than open scientific discussion. Trust only what you can verify firsthand. And don't sue us. Many people have contributed to this FAQ. In alphabetical order: Eric Bach, Steve Bellovin, Dan Bernstein, Nelson Bolyard, Carl Ellison, Jim Gillogly, Mike Gleason, Doug Gwyn, Luke O'Connor, Tony Patti, William Setzer. We apologize for any omissions. If you have suggestions, comments, or criticism, please let the current editors know by sending e-mail to crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu. We don't assume that this FAQ is at all complete at this point. Archives: sci.crypt has been archived since October 1991 on cl-next2.cl.msu.edu, though these archives are available only to U.S. and Canadian users. Please contact crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu if you know of other archives. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Table of contents: 1 Overview 2 Net Etiquette * What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here? * Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt? * How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt? 3 Basic Cryptology * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? * How does one go about cryptanalysis? * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? 4 Mathematical Cryptology * In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem? * What is an attack? * What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically? * Why is the one-time pad secure? * What's a ciphertext-only attack? * What's a known-plaintext attack? * What's a chosen-plaintext attack? * In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks? * What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy? 5 Product ciphers * What is a product cipher? * What makes a product cipher secure? * What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers? * What can be proven about the security of a product cipher? * How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size? * Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication? * What exactly is DES? * What is triple DES? * What is differential cryptanalysis? * How was NSA involved in the design of DES? * Is DES available in software? * Is DES available in hardware? * Can DES be used to protect classified information? * What are ""ECB"", ""CBC"", ""CFB"", and ""OFB"" encryption? 6 Public-Key Cryptography * What is public-key cryptography? * What's RSA? * Is RSA secure? * How fast can people factor numbers? * What about other public-key cryptosystems? 7 Digital Signatures and Hash Functions * What is a one-way hash function? * What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.? * What are MD4 and MD5? * What is Snefru? 8 Technical Miscellany * How do I recover from lost passwords in WordPerfect? * How do I break a Vigenere (repeated-key) cipher? * How do I send encrypted mail under UNIX? [PGP, RIPEM, PEM, ...] * Is the UNIX crypt command secure? * How do I use compression with encryption? * Is there an unbreakable cipher? * What does ``random'' mean in cryptography? * What is the unicity point (a.k.a. unicity distance)? * What is key management and why is it important? * Can I use pseudo-random or chaotic numbers as a key stream? * What is the correct frequency list for English letters? * What is the Enigma? * How do I shuffle cards? * Can I foil S/W pirates by encrypting my CD-ROM? * Can you do automatic cryptanalysis of simple ciphers? * What is the coding system used by VCR+? 9 Other Miscellany * What is the National Security Agency (NSA)? * What are the US export regulations? * What is TEMPEST? * What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax? * What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch? * Is RSA patented? * What about the Voynich manuscript? 10 References * Books on history and classical methods * Books on modern methods * Survey articles * Reference articles * Journals, conference proceedings * Other * How may one obtain copies of FIPS and ANSI standards cited herein? * Electronic sources * RFCs (available from [FTPRF]) * Related newsgroups " 5765,4,"From: dmaluso@MtHolyoke.edu (Diane Maluso) Subject: Quadra 800 configurations?? Article-I.D.: slab.1ps093$f0u Organization: Mount Holyoke College Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I've noticed some of you mentioning owning a Quadra 800 8/230 with CD300 and 1meg of VRAM. It seems that this configuration was purchased complete; that is, the CD300 and VRAM were already installed in the box. I am interested in that exact configuration and will be buying with an educational discount but have not found the CD300 bundled with any Q800 smaller than the 8/500. If you bought or know how to buy the 8/230 with CD installed, please let me know what you know via email: send messages to dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Thanks, all. Diane Maluso =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Diane Maluso INTERNET: dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu = = Department of Psychology and Education = = Mount Holyoke College = = South Hadley, MA 01075 = = (413) 538-2107 = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 5766,10,"Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 21 In article , wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they > have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as > first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be > different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. > I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points > with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put > win as first in a tie breaker...... Then allow me to enlighten you, Rex. You see, there's a thing called a tie. A tie is worth one point (I know, I know. You're not good at math. But bear with me). A win is worth two points. So, getting two ties is the same as getting one win. If your team played two games, won one and lost one, you'd have two points. If my team played two games and tied them both, we'd also have two points. We'd be tied in the standings even though our records are different. Perhaps you should learn something about hockey before posting again. (I am starting to sound like Roger or what?) Alan " 5767,19,"Subject: CHRISTIAN DEVIL REVEALED! From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 56 >For a while I was puzzled by the the concept of Adam and Eve coming to >know good and evil. This is how I resolved it. Within God's universe >each action evokes an equal and opposite reaction. There can be no good >without evil as an opposite. So the issue is not what you do but to whom >you give your allegiance. That is why, even in this sinful state, when we >perform an evil act while we are submitted to God He does not place that >sinful act to our account (Rom 4:8) In the same vein you can perform all >the good deeds in the book, if your life is not under God's control you are >still sinning (see Rom 14:23). Now, take a good look at at, an tell me man, there is no Christian Devil? There is, is real, is a virus, a meme, infecting and possessing the good people and keep 'em from becoming human beings with emphasis on the being! Is not a matter of good people an evil people, is all good people see, but some good people vexed of the Christian Devil. An it can't be burn out or lynch out or rape out. Only wise up let I rise up. Christian Devil is real man, how else can you explain five hundred years of history, even more? Can only be explained by Christians invoke Christian Devil. you keep on knocking but you can't come in, i got to understand you've been living in sin, but walk right in and sit right down, i'll keep on loving you, i'll play the clown, but bend down low, let i tell you what i know yah i've been 'buked brothers and i've been stoned, woe, woe, woe, now i'm hung by a tree in the the ganging on a few, woe, woe, woe, it doesn't matter who the man is who lives the life he loves, it doesn't matter what the man does or the honest life he loves, i want somewhere, i want somewhere, hallelujah, hallelujah, somewhere to lay my head, woe is me only ska beat in 'eaven man stiff necked fools, you think you're cool, to deny me for simplicity, yes you have gone, for so long with your love for vanity now, yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain imagination, so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars, and forever yes erase your fantasy, yeah, the lips of the righteous teach many, but fools die for want of wisdom, the rich man's wealth is in his city, the righteous wealth is in his holy place, so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars, and forever yes erase your fantasy, destruction of the poor is in their poverty, destruction of the soul is vanity, yeah, but i don't want to rule ya, i don't want to fool ya, i don't want to school ya, things you, you might never know about, yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain, vain imagination, stiff necked fools, you think you're cool, to deny me for, oh simplicity love to see, when yah move in the rhythm, love to see when you're dancing from within, it gives great joy to feel such sweet togetherness, everyone's doing and they're doing their best, it remind i of the days in jericho, when we trodden down jericho wall, these are the days when we'll trod true babylon, gonna trod until babylon fall then I saw the angel with the seven seals saying, babylon throne going down we weeping and we wailing tonight " 5768,6,"From: bdolson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Brian David Olson) Subject: For Sale: IBM Wheelwriter 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex34.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 11 I just won an IBM Wheelwriter 6 typewriter in a raffle here on campus. Since I have a nice computer, and really need the cash, I'm putting it up for sale. I have an offer from a local reseller for $250. Best offer above that plus shipping. ...brian Northwestern University - Economics & International Studies b-olson@nwu.edu Brian David Olson bdolson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu bdolson@cica.es bdolson@merle.acns.nwu.edu bdolson@sevaxu.cica.es " 5769,0,"From: suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses In-Reply-To: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST Lines: 17 Reply-To: suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia <1993Apr3.183519.14721@proxima.alt.za> <1993Apr5.112430.825@batman.bmd.trw.com> >>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said: :> God is eternal. [A = B] :> Jesus is God. [C = A] :> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] :> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of :> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore :> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. Everything isn't always so logical.... Mercedes is a car. That girl is Mercedes. Therefore, that girl is a car? -Heikki " 5770,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 10 In article <1qk4qf$mf8@male.EBay.Sun.COM> almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM writes: >Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be >for Columbus+500? There was a recession, and none of the potential entrants could raise any money. The race organizers were actually supposed to be handling part of the fundraising, but the less said about that the better. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5771,1,"From: sherry@a.cs.okstate.edu (SHERRY ROBERT MICH) Subject: Re: .SCF files, help needed Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 27 From article <1993Apr21.013846.1374@cx5.com>, by tlc@cx5.com: > > > I've got an old demo disk that I need to view. It was made using RIX Softworks. > The files on the two diskette set end with: .scf > > The demo was VGA resolution (256 colors), but I don't know the spatial > resolution. > According to my ColoRIX manual .SCF files are 640x480x256 > First problem: When I try to run the demo, the screen has two black bars that > cut across (horizontally) the screen, in the top third and bottom third of the > screen. The bars are about 1-inch wide. Other than this, the demo (the > animation part) seems to be running fine. > > Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display > these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf > files. > You may try VPIC, I think it handles the 256 color RIX files OK.. Rob Sherry sherry@a.cs.okstate.edu " 5772,3,"From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: Re: Run box w/o cover ?? Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 42 biernat@rtsg.mot.com (Tim Biernat) writes: {> i am interested in getting the pulse of this group regarding {> extended operation of my G2K 486-33V with the cover removed {> from the enclosure. there are a # of reasons i am considering {> this, including quick access to jumpers during complex i/o card {> setups. {> {> my concern is that without a complete enclosure to direct the {> cooling flow of air from the fan, ""hot spots"" may develop on my {> motherboard or elsewhere. my G2K has intake air vents in the {> front of the enclosure right at MB level. These vents would be {> removed along with the top cover in this scenario, rendering {> airflow from the fan pretty useless. {> {> however, short periods in this mode don't seem to heat things up {> too much, but my conclusions are far from scientific... {> {> -- tim I ran a 386-33 out of a cardboard box for more than a year with no major effects (yeah, no case at all, MB sitting on a static bag) other than the noise from the Poersupply it ran pretty good. as for cooling problems I bought a 12-14 inch fan and turned it on full and set the output directly on the motherboard. I did finally get a case though and I am still running the parts with no ill effects. I also had no kids to spill things on the MB> I had no cat leaving hair on the MB etc. etc. on and on.... the two major concerns are keeping static away and keeping the MB cool enjoy -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 5773,15,"From: rayssd!esther@uunet.uu.net (Esther A. Paris) Subject: harrassed at work, could use some prayers Reply-To: esther@demand.ed.ray.com Organization: Raytheon Equipment Division, Marlboro, MA Lines: 110 My news feed is broken and I haven't received any new news in 243 hours (more than 10 days). So, if you reply to this, please send private email to the address esther@demand.ed.ray.com -- I have set the Reply-To line to have that address but I don't know if it will work. [It depends upon the software, but generally I wouldn't expect reply-to to cause an email cc to be sent in addition to a posting. You'll probably need to do something specific, which will vary depending upon your news software. --clh] At any rate, I need some support. (Much thanks to Jayne K who is already supporting me with kind words and prayers!) I've been working at this company for eight years in various engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this company. Seven times. Eight years. Yesterday was the most recent one; someone left an X-rated photo of a nude woman in my desk drawer. I'm really upset by this. I suppose it could have been worse -- it could have been a man having sex with a sheep or something. There was no note. I do not know if it was: - someone's idea of an innocent joke, that went awry - someone's sick idea of flirting - an act of emotional terrorism (that worked!) I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask me some kind of question, I don't know the answer so I take a military specification down off from my shelf to look up the answer, and out falls a picture of a man having sex with a sheep? I generally have a Bible on my desk for occasional inspiration; what if I open it up to Corinthians and find a picture a la the North American Man Boy Love Association? I want to throw up just thinking about this stuff. I can lock up my desk, but I can't lock up every book I have in the office. I can't trust that someone won't shove something into my briefcase or my coat pocket when I'm not looking so that I go home to find such a picture, or a threat, or a raunchy note about what someone wants to do to my body. To make it worse, the entire department went out to lunch yesterday to treat our marvelous secretary to lunch. The appointed hour for leaving was 11:30. I was working in another building but wanted to go to the lunch. So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my number was posted. So, I came back to a department that looked like a neutron bomb had gone off and I was the sole survivor. This, despite the fact that everyone knew how bad I felt about this naked woman being left in my desk drawer. I need some prayers --- I can't stop crying. I am so deeply wounded that it's ridiculous. I feel like I'm some kind of sub-human piece of garbage for people to reduce me and my sisters to simply sex organs and the sex act. I feel like I'm a sub-human piece of garbage that's not worthy of a simple phone call saying ""We're leaving for Mary's lunch a little early so that Bob can get back for a big 1:00 meeting..."" Please pray that my resentments will either go away, or be miraculously turned into something positive. Please pray that whoever is torturing me so will stop, and find some healing for him- or herself. Please pray for my being healed from this latest wound (which falls on top of a whole slew of other wounds...). Please pray that I can find a new job in a place where the corporate culture does its best to prevent such harrassment from happening in the first place, and swiftly acts appropriately when something occurs despite its best precautions. (This company, in my opinion, has pretty words about how sexual harrassment isn't tolerated but when you get right down to it, how is it that one female engineer can be touched inappropriately, left obsene or threatening notes, left obscene pictures, spoken to lewdly, etc, seven times in eight years in the same place? Pretty words from the company do me no good when I'm terrified or healing from the latest assault.) And please pray that I don't turn into an automaton because of this. That's my bad habit: ""ignore it and it will go away"", ""you're not worth anyone's time so don't go talking to anyone about this"", ""you're right, you are a sub-human piece of garbage and deserve to be treated this way"", ""you are just an object"", ""you prostitute your mind to this company so why can't others expect you to prostitute your body there as well?"", ""what makes you think women aren't just possessions, and nothing more than sex organs and their ability to perform the sex act?"" This is the kind of thinking that can catapault one into a major depressive episode; please pray that these thoughts don't come into my head and stay there, triggering depression. Please pray that this latest trauma doesn't come between me and God. In a way, a wound like this is an invitation to a deeper connection to God, and it's also a possible trigger for a spiritual crisis that can separate one mentally from God. (I know God doesn't drop me from his loving hand, but it's awfully easy for me to walk to the edge of the hand, look down, think I'm falling and forget that God's still holding on to me.) Although this probably isn't entirely appropriate for this newsgroup, I really can use the kind of loving support you all provide. For this reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. After all, he's allowed me the thermometer note, and a few other off-the-wall topics. Thanks in advance to everyone for your support and prayers. Peace to you, Esther -- Esther Paris, Raytheon Equipment Div., Marlboro, MA esther@demand.ed.ray.com ""In his esteem, nothing that was large enough to please, was too small for the fingers."" -- John Kitto, ""The Lost Senses"", 1848 " 5774,6,"From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu) Subject: a few CDs for sale (brand new) Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 10 $6.95 each. add $1.05 for postage (4th class), that makes it $8. All these 5 discs are still shrink wrapped (1) Kathleen Battle,Wynton Marsalis Baroque Duet Sony Classical (2) David Sanborn, Upfront Elektra (2) Kenny G Live Arista (3) Jimmy Buffett,Songs You know by heart/greatest hits MCA Records (4) Billy Ray Cyrus, Some Gave All Mercury (5) En Vogue, Funky Divas Eastwest Records " 5775,6,"From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim) Subject: Terminal for sale Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 5 I have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal with 1200 external hyess modem amber screens 101 keyboard,cable make an offer 0 " 5776,6,"From: she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Steven H. Eckwielen) Subject: -=WANTED=- HP 48s or HP 48sx Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 10 AS the subject says... looking for a HP 48s or perferiably HP 48sx Please E-mail replies. Thanks Steven Eckwielen ___ _ _ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | __| | | __|__ |__ |_ | _ | Bitnet : she3328@ritvax ,-- | | _| |_ ||_ |/ /| _ | Internet : she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu |___|_|_|___|___|___|___|___| UUCP : rutgers!rochester!rit!ritvax!she3328 " 5777,2,"From: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Meyer) Subject: VideoBlaster & PC SPEAKER Keywords: Video Blaster Speaker Driver Reply-To: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Meyer) Organization: University of Kaiserslautern (Germany) Lines: 28 Software that comes together with the VideoBlaster is designed to work together with the SoundBlaster (from the same manufacturer). Since I do not own a SoundBlaster: is there a possibility to use the PC Speaker driver to play audio files for the VideoBlaster (.AVI = audio video interleave files) ? I think what I should have is a device driver for the Media Player that controls the PC Speaker Driver instead of the SoundBlaster card (something like MCISPKR.DRV). Has anybody heard of such a driver? Or am I on the wrong track? Any information on this appreciated! (Please send e-mail, since I don't watch this group regularly.) _V_ | Joerg Meyer / \ | E-Mail: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de |O O| | University of Kaiserslautern, Germany ooO--U--Ooo | ------- This space for rent ! ------- " 5778,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more > difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. > The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military > in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower. Proof by assertion! I love it! Uh, please explain why the smugglers do not also rank a notch below (or above) the military in terms of communications, intelligence gathering (e.g., why fight officials when you can bribe them...""I'll give you a hundred grand to let that semi past...""), and firepower. > In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into > this country has greatly decreased. This is because its > value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or > heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. > Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on > the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and > thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer > is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. > You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a > good dollar/pound deal. > What's the point here? You're arguing that the black market WORKS (which it does, of course). > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. This is the wrong way to quantify things. The smuggler would be concerned about value/cubic foot. Go to a gun show and price out a crate of good quality handguns. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > would have to be local. There are not all that many people What's ""local?"" > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could What is a worthwhile firearm? Hell, anything that WORKS! Go get yourself a copy of the Army's 1969 Improvised Munitions Manual. See how easy it is to make a functional firearm. > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. If paying $10 for inconspicuous parts at the local K-Mart is ""through the nose."" Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 5779,9,"From: as000060@orion.yorku.ca Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Lines: 23 Organization: York University Distribution: na In article , actuary@NCoast.ORG (Steven M. Goldman) writes: >> >>So who will start this year's All Star game for the AL? > > Probably Alomar. > > Not to put him down; he's a great player. But it helps to have > all the recognition he's had, plus to play in a city which is > likely to pour in the votes... I like Alomar. But I'd like to differ with your opinion about ""a city which is likely to pour in the votes..."". I attended many games last year during the balloting. I know that a great number of the attendees DID NOT fill out their ballots, but left them, beer soaked and torn on the floor of the stands. Toronto gets no more and no less votes than any other city for the All Star game. Unfortunately, this is not a one time thing. I've attended games during the last four seasons, and it has happened every time. The apathetic attitude to All Star ballots really offends me. Ljs " 5780,10,"From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: Strange phenomens in NHL (was: Team leaders in +/-) Lines: 60 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne01.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. In article <1993Apr5.195705.29227@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > In <1993Apr5.185633.17843@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: > >>Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne >>on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD. Winnipeg has a >>lousy defensive record anyway. Let's put it another way. John Cullen's +/- >>is terrible. What's your excuse for him? That his powerplay points don't >>count? Neither do Selanne's... > > Are you comparing Cullen to Salami? I would say that that is valid. If > Winnipeg is such a lousy defensive team then why the hell does Salami > stand around the other team's blueline when the puck is in his own end? I thought that he was comparing Cullen to TEEMU SEL[NNE. I always thought that salami is some sort of sausage, BUT IF YOU, dear Roger, ARE ABLE TO SEE SALAMI ON THE ICE PLAYING HOCKEY... I don't know what to do, but you surely should do something and very quickly!!! Maybe you think that if you keep on talking some rubbish, after some time everybody will consider it to be really true... You should take care of your LEAFS, they surely need it more. > >>What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. > > Some of our Finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he > can play a solid two-way game. I would have to say that this style > of contribution would be more conducive to winning. Or don't you > think so? At least we have seen him playing... > >>>As it is now, Selanne >>>is a grandstanding goal suck. Did you see the way he parades around >>>with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal? You would think the >>>Messiah had returned... During the latest Philly game the Leaf players didn't parade... Philly crunched them 4-0 !!! Maybe you need some more two way players who can score, too !!??? > > > cordially, as always, > > rm > > -- > Roger Maynard > maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca just cordially, Hannu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GO JETS GO ! >>>>>>>> TEEMU ! >>>>>>> TEPPO ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TAPPARA >>>>>> CANADIENS >>>>>>> BLACKHAWKS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " 5781,14,"From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: What counntries do space surveillance? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 35 The European Space Agency has involvement with remote earth observation, and I presume this includes surveillance (optical etc.). So it's not just the US/USSR(ex) who are in the game. But what *is* the game? What can be done with space observation? The military functions of missile spotting, troop spotting etc. are well documented, but what about anything else? The biggest eg I can think of is to get a metal sensing sat over a paying country and scan their territory for precious metals. More importantly, if radar can spot water vapour (clouds), presumably a radar based sat will be capable of spotting rivers,open water and *underground water* from space. This would be a positive life saver for African or other drought affected countries. Implementing a clean water and irrigation program would be of imense benifit to such countries and should cut down mortalities considerably. So how about it? Is there a charity or government agency that would pay for a third world country to have their minerals and water deposits mapped? Or is this still sci-fi? Mail replies would be great. Thought for the day: Thermal energy needs water to make steam so sstick it in the ocean! -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" " 5782,13,"From: tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr16.194316.25522 Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com> david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: > >>>In article <13APR199308003715@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: >>>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before >>>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >>>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? >>>> >>>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least >>>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the >>>>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has >>>>always used it. >> >>So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but >>no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at >>work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study >>using double-blind trials? > >Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own. Maybe you missed >it amidst the flurry of responses? Yet again, the use of this >newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters >they have substantial knowledge of. > >For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a >toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on >development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an >excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate >is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain >(humans included). Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown >off. Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in >small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts >added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be >encountered in a ny single food. By eating lots of junk food, >packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your >blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these >compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. >Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. > > --Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca In order to excitotoxin effects of MSG, MSG that in blood must go through blood-brain barrier that I am not sure MSG can go through or not. In normal condition, the concentration of glutamate in the cerebrospinal fluid is about 2 uM that is high enough to activate one type of glutamate receptor-the NMDA receptor. But the question is Neuron and glial cell in the brain have a lots of transport to get glutamate into Neuron or glial. So no one know exact concentration of glutamate is around neurons. Glutamate is most important neurotransmitter in the central nervous system. It is involved in not only in daily life like the controling of movement, it is alsoinvolved in develpoment, memory and learn (it is involved in Logn-term potentialtion that be thought is the basis of learning). " 5783,7,"From: stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: General Dynamics Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Don't have a list of what's been said before, so hopefully not repeating. How about horizontally mounted oil filters (like on my Ford) that, no matter how hard you try, will spill out their half quart on the bottom of the car when you change them? -- Joe St.Lucas stlucas@gdwest.gd.com Standard Disclaimers Apply General Dynamics Space Systems, San Diego Work is something to keep me busy between Ultimate Frisbee games. " 5784,9,"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: electric-monk.mit.edu In article <1qplh7$e2g@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes: } In article <1qp1m9INNfjg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: } >In article <1993Apr17.050311.10098@news.yale.edu> (Sean Garrison) writes: } >} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.] } >at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game } >is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily } >standings and results here every day. } } Am I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering. it was meant entirely, 100%, as a compliment. } I do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially } for those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games } in their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other } countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also, } many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only } available through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free } of charge and has no copyright restrictions. i was not trying to criticize your service at all. in fact, i was trying to encourage others to use it. i don't personally use it, but i'm sure others do, and that was my point in posting--there is no need for individuals to duplicate, in an ad hoc fashion, what you have already organized. } >if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list } >and use that. } } Remember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the } rec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through } private e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that } branches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list } grows by an average of 35 people a day. having one person, such as yourself, who does it, is a great idea. having 100 do it is not. that's all. keep up the good work, Joseph. -*- charles " 5785,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: sgi Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <115468@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: |> In article <1qg79g$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >You are amazed that I find it difficult to grasp it when |> >people justify death-threats against Rushdie with the |> >claim ""he was born Muslim?"" |> |> This is empty rhetoric. I am amazed at your inability to understand what |> I am saying not that you find it difficult to ""grasp it when people |> justify death-threats..."". I find it amazing that your ability to |> consider abstract questions in isolation. You seem to believe in the |> falsity of principles by the consequence of their abuse. You must *hate* |> physics! You're closer than you might imagine. I certainly despised living under the Soviet regime when it purported to organize society according to what they fondly imagined to be the ""objective"" conclusions of Marxist dialectic. But I don't hate Physics so long as some clown doesn't start trying to control my life on the assumption that we are all interchangeable atoms, rather than individual human beings. jon. " 5786,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: IDEA vectors? Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 11 I am testing IDEA block cipher implementations for correctness and needs some golden test vectors. I've looked through the postscript IDEA chapter but the single example gives me zero degrees of freedom. I'll contact the inventor if necessary but since we are NOT paying him money for use of his invention, I'd like to offload this from him. Anybody got vectors? (No disease vectors, please). -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 5787,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Distribution: na Lines: 32 rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: > >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American > >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN > CONTEXT? Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago. > If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. > It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individual > to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots of American gun supporters. So I thought that... Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh well. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 5788,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious. " 5789,1,"From: prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston) Subject: Problems grabbing a block of a Starbase screen. Keywords: Starbase, HP Lines: 26 At the moment i'm trying to grab a portion of a Starbase screen, and store it in an area of memory. The data needs to be in a 24-bit format (which shouldn't be a problem as the app is running on a 24 bit screen), though i'm not too fussy about the exact format. (I actually intend to write the data out as a TIFF but that bits not the problem) Does anyone out there know how to grab a portion of the screen? The block_read call seems to grab the screen, but not in 24 bit colour, whatever the screen/window type i get 1 byte per pixel. thanks in advance, Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Martin Preston, (m.preston@manchester.ac.uk) | Computer Graphics | |Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, | is just | |University of Manchester, | a load of balls. | |Manchester, U.K., M13 9PL Phone : 061 275 6095 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5790,15,"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: Netcom Lines: 45 In article jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) writes: >It seems I spend a significant amount of my time correcting errors about >the reliability tests for condoms and abstinence. A few years ago I saw >that famous study that showed a ""10% failure rate"" for condoms. The >same study showed a 20% failure rate for abstinence!! That is, adult >couples who relied on abstinence to prevent pregnancy got pregnant in >alarming numbers--they didn't have the willpower to abstain. And we're >thinking that this will work with high school kids?!? I am told that Planned Parenthood/SIECUS-style ""values-free"" methods, that teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make ""choices"", actually _increase_ pregnancy rates. I posted a long article on this a while back and will be happy to email a copy to any who are interested. The article included sources to contact for information on research verifying these statements, and an outstanding source for info on acquiring abstinence-related curricula even in single-copy quantities for home use. The same research produced the results that abstinence-related curricula were found to _decrease_ pregnancy rates in teens. I assume that it is reasonable to assume that the AIDS rate will fluctuate with the pregnancy rate. The difference is not in ""contraceptive technology"" but in the values taught to the children. The PP/SIECUS curricula taught the kids that they have legitimate choices, while the abstinence related curricula taught them that they did _not_ have _legitimate_ choices other than abstinence. It is the values system that is the strongest determinent of the behavior behavior of these kids. Despite the better track record of abstinence-related curricula, they are suppressed in favor of curricula that produce an effect contrary to that desired. Question for further discussion (as they say in the textbooks): Why don't we teach ""safe drug use"" to kids, instead of drug abstinence? Isn't it because we know that a class in ""how to use drugs safely if you _choose_ to use drugs"" would increase drug use? Why isn't ""drug abstinence education"" barred from schools because it teaches ""religion""? Aren't we abandoning those children who will use drugs anyway, and need instruction in their safe use? -- Joe Kellett jkellett@netcom.com " 5791,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: jiggers Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 62 I may not be the world's greatest expert on chiggers (a type of mite indigenous to the south), but I certainly have spent a lot of time contemplating the little buggers over the past six years (since we moved to N.C.). Here are some observations gained from painful experience: 1. Reactions to chiggers vary greatly from person to person. Some people get tiny red bites. Others (like me) are more sensitive and get fairly large swollen sore-like affairs. 2. Chigger bites are the gift that keeps on giving. I swear that these things will itch for months. 3. There is a lot of folklore about chiggers. I think most of it is fiction. I have tried to do research on the critters, since they have such an effect on me. The only book I could find on the subject was a *single* book in UNC's special collections library. I have not yet gone through what is required to get it. 4. Based on my experience and that of my family members, the old folk remedy of fingernail polish simply doesn't work. I recall reading that the theory upon which it is based (that the chiggers burrow into your skin and continue to party there) is false. I think it is more likely that the reaction is to toxins of some sort the little pests release. But this is speculation. 5. The *best* approach is prevention. A couple of things work well. A good insect repellent (DEET) such as Deep Woods Off liberally applied to ankles, waistband, etc. is a good start. There is another preparation called ""Chig Away"" that is a combination of sulfur and some kind of cream (cortisone?) that originally was prepared for the Army and is not commercially available. In the summer I put this on my ankles every morning when I get up on weekends since I literally can't go outside where we live (in the country) without serious consequences. (They apparently don't like sulfur much at all. You can use sulfur as a dust on your body or clothing to repel them.) 6. No amount of prevention will be *completely* successful. Forget the fingernail polish. I have finally settled upon a treatment that involves topical application of a combination of cortisone creme (reduces the inflamation and swelling) and benzocaine (relieves the itch). I won't tell you all the things I've tried. Nor will I tell you some of the things my wife does since this counts as minor surgery and is best not mentioned (I also think it gains nothing). 7. The swelling and itching can also be significantly relieved by the application of hot packs, and this seems to speed recovery as well. Doctors seem not to care much about chiggers. The urban and suburban doctors apparently don't encounter them much. And the rural doctors seem to regard them as a force of nature that one must endure. I suspect that anyone who could come up with a good treatment for chiggers would make a *lot* of money. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 5792,10,"From: cobra@ravel.udel.edu (KING COBRA) Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 26 In article Young-Soo Che writes: >All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at >NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and >excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do >it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play >captain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see >for yourselves. Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had expected. COBRA ******************************************************************************* ** ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ** ** ** / / / /___/ /___/ /___/ ** Sex is not the answer, sex is the ** ** /___ /___/ /___/ / \_ / / ** question. Yes is the answer. ** ** ** ** ** E-mail: cobra@chopin.udel.edu ** ** ** ** ** ******************************************************************************* " 5793,14,"From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Science News article on Federal R&D Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 8 Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article on Federal R&D funding. Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current competitive advantage from things like military and other work that does not have as much commercial utility. -- Chuck Divine " 5794,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr15.200857.10631@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: > >So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers... A Sea Doo is a boat. It turns by changing the angle of the duct behind the propeller. A waterski bike looks like a motorcycle but has a ski where each wheel should be. Its handlebars are connected through a familiar looking steering head to the front ski. It handles like a motorcycle. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 5795,1,"From: rytg7@fel.tno.nl (Q. van Rijt) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory Lines: 26 There is another useful method based on Least Sqyares Estimation of the sphere equation parameters. The points (x,y,z) on a spherical surface with radius R and center (a,b,c) can be written as (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 + (z-c)^2 = R^2 This equation can be rewritten into the following form: 2ax + 2by + 2cz + R^2 - a^2 - b^2 -c^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 Approximate the left hand part by F(x,y,z) = p1.x + p2.x + p3.z + p4.1 For all datapoints, i.c. 4, determine the 4 parameters p1..p4 which minimise the average error |F(x,y,z) - x^2 - y^2 - z^2|^2. In 'Numerical Recipes in C' can be found algorithms to solve these parameters. The best fitting sphere will have - center (a,b,c) = (p1/2, p2/2, p3/2) - radius R = sqrt(p4 + a.a + b.b + c.c). So, at last, will this solve you sphere estination problem, at least for the most situations I think ?. Quick van Rijt, rytg7@fel.tno.nl " 5796,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.143754.643@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT > Jesus Christ as he claimed. The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 children died, and no God saved them. Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5797,3,"From: chang hsu liu Subject: Upgrade from 286 to 486 help needed!!! Organization: Indiana University Lines: 27 Greetings, Please forgive me if this is FAQ. If there is source on this kind of info, please let me know. I just got a 286 station (around 21*16.5*7 in dimension), and I am thinking about upgrade it to a 486 or 386. The station has a power supply, two floppy disk drives, and the big case. I have SONY 1304 monitor, SyQuest drive (Mac), and maybe a cd-rom reader (Mac) for it. Here are the questions I have so far: 1) Is there a 486 motherboard at this dimension that I could use the case? 2) The original owener has the controller for floppy drive and hard disk removed. Can I use them to control these devices under 486? How much do I have to pay for a new controllers if the old ones won't work? 3) How can I make SyQuest (SCSI) and cd-rom (SCSI) work on this station? I heard that there is a cheap sound board that has SCSI controller built-in? What's quality of this board? How much usually does a SCSI control cost? Is there any ftp sites that has SyQuest driver or cd-rom driver for the PC if I can have everything hooked up OK?4) What I want is a 486 motherboard, a sound board to make it a MPC- quality station. How much would it cost to do that? Is it worth the hussle than just buy a new 486 station? BTW, I need to buy a keyboard for it too. Any input is welcome. Thank you. Peter Liu " 5798,6,"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Tech Books for sale!!! Cheap!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 26 SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! LIQUIDATION!!!!!! Send me your offer! No reasonable offer refused! First come first served! I JUST WANT TO GET RID OF THESE BOOKS!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!!! * Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable! Give me $8 (shipping incl) and its yours! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. $12 (shipp incl) * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! (this book + following 2 books $20 for all 3!!) * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu Sam 02106@chopin.udel.edu " 5799,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The Armenian architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr15.160145.22909@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes: >My personal problem with Romanian culture is that I am >not aware of one. There is an anecdote about Armenians Troglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level. The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing, rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds before and during World War I. And, you don't pull nations out of a hat. Source: Walker, Christopher: ""Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."" New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980. This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional Republic in Berlin during World War II; b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side by side with the Wehrmacht. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5800,11,"From: rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 27 In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: >views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give >the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the >socialists such as myself who have been persecuted. And in Russia, capitalists were persecuted for trading goods on the black market. And in the US, capitalist minded types are imprisoned and killed for things such as selling drugs, guns, pornography, and other victimless activities. It doesn't matter whether you are socialist or capitalist, power and control are central to government. Since citizens can't be trusted to run their own affairs, the government must watch them. (for their own good of course. I mean, with strong cryptography, citizens might start to hide things from the IRS, sell drugs/guns/pornography, and that cannot be allowed!) >trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism >and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter. >It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious. Not very surprising to anyone who believes in ""hands off"" government. If you believe that your private life (both social and financial) are none of anyone else's business, the difference between socialism and communism is like the difference between murder by lethal injection or by chainsaw. The more centralized the economy is, the more potential abuses for accumulation of information on individuals. If you think credit companies are bad, ... Well, I'm sure a democratic socialist society would vote for absolute privacy of all citizens -- NOT! " 5801,12,"From: umlangston@msuvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston) Subject: _negative_ logic high? Summary: help!!! Distribution: world Organization: Memphis State University Lines: 28 This may sound like a simple-minded question, but this is the first time I've ever had a need for this: I've been designing some relatively simple chip circuits based on things like photoresistors (you know, no light to photoresistor, emit a logic high, etc.). Anyway, I've got some servos lying around, and I wanted to do some things with them using digital logic. I know all about having to pulse the signal and everything, I just have one problem: I'm assuming I need a negative (yes, negative) logic high to get the thing to turn in the direction opposite the direction it would turn under normal logic high. Is a negative logic high (I've seen this in schematics) the same thing as an active low, or what? I'm not using a bi-polar power source, so how would I get a negative logic high out of this thing? I need to have all three signals available: Logic high, logic low, and negative logic high. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, please reply via email, as I never seem to have time to read this (or any other) group lately. Thanks much, -mark umlangston@memstvx1.memst.edu " 5802,12,"From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott) Subject: Re: Analog switches/Balanced Demodulators Distribution: na Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products Lines: 53 In article msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu (Michael Fulbright) writes: >I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag. >In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an >op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input. >The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches >to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have >experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an >AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only >for positive signals. >[...] > I have a carrier signal which varies between 0V and +5V. I want >to demodulate an input signal by feeding the input signal thru a >amp with a gain of 1 when the carrier is at +5V, and thru a amp >with a gain of -1 when the carrier is 0V. The output is then >low pass filtered. I believe this is called lock in detection as well >as synchronous demodulation. Look at the 4053. This is a triple 2-to-1 transmission-gate analog multiplexer, with positive and negative power supplies (can be run from a single-ended supply as well). With dual supplies, the logic inputs still range from ground (0 Volts) to VDD. This is a neat (well, I think so) design for a switchable-polarity amplifier: +-----/\/\/\-------+ | | | /--------\ | INPUT -+-/\/\/\--+----| - | | | | opamp |----+------- OUTPUT +-/\/\/\--+----| + | | \--------/ | CONTROL ---------X (analog switch) | | --- GND All resistors are equal-value. When the analog switch is closed, the amp is inverting-gain-of-one. With the switch open, it is non-inverting-gain-of-one. You can clean up the circuit to trim out input offset current if this hurts the balance (this would show up as carrier feed-through). For high frequencies, the slew-rate of the opamp might cause problems, especially if it isn't symmetrical (and it usually isn't). -- -------- Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA ---------- {uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com ""I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."" " 5803,9,"From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) Subject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 19 >> Does that mean they have to pay his salary? Didn't they wait >> for him to clear waivers? If not, why not? >> Davis will be paid by three clubs this year, I think the Phils are responsbible for about $600,000 or so. They didn't wait for him to clear waivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him. A gamble? Yes. >> Oh, it will? As a Royals fan, I am skeptical. They say he pitched well >> in winter ball. He also pitched well at Omaha while with KC. He just >> didn't pitch well (or even acceptably) when in the majors. (I don't have >> his Atlanta stats, but he must not have impressed them very much either.) > >What about the year when he got 40+ saves in San Diego, did he pitch well >then? Ok, I know he was awful the next year when he went to KC but still... > Won the CY Young, too, for that year. -- " 5804,0,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Victims of various 'Good Fight's In-Reply-To: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au's message of 12 Apr 93 21: 36:33 +0930 Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <9454@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <1993Apr12.213633.20143@levels.unisa.edu.au> Lines: 12 >>>>> On 12 Apr 93 21:36:33 +0930, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) said: TDB> 12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million To be fair, this was going to happen eventually. Given time, the Americans would have reached Europe on their own and the same thing would have happened. It was just a matter of who got together first. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) " 5805,2,"From: eialbur@sgies9.sdrc.com (Ron Albury) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: SDRC Lines: 14 You have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than in DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using. Try the following: 1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to. The cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters. 2) Use a different UART for your serial line. The old UART's (8250 or 16450) can only buffer one character internally. The new UART's (16550) can buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations. You can run \windows\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine. Ron " 5806,13,"From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Keywords: MSG, Glu Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 143 In article <1993Apr17.202011.21443@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.184435.19725@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: > >There has been NO hard info provided about MSG making people ill. >That's the point, after all. Why don't you just look it up in the Merk? Or check out the medical dictionary cite which a doctor mentioned earlier in this thread? > >That's because these ""peer-reviewed"" studies are not addressing >the effects of MSG in people, they're looking at animal models. >You can't walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and >doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects >demonstrated in humans. Note that I wouldn't have any argument >with a statement like ""noting that animal administration has pro- >duced the following [blah, blah], we must be careful about its >use in humans."" This is precisely NOT what you said. Among others, see Olney's ""Excitotoxic Food Aditives - Relevance of Animal Studies to Human Safety"" (1982) Neurobehav. Toxicol. Teratol. vol 6: 455-462. I'm sure PETA would love to hear your arguments. >>Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a >>study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu >>and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC. >>Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies, >>for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works >>that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain >>injection bunk. > >It most certainly is for neurotoxicology. You know, studies of >glutamate involve more than ""food science"". Whose talking about ""food science""? What is this comment supposed to mean? *Neurotoxicology and Tratology*, *Brain Research*, *Nature*, *Progress in Brain Research*: all fine food science journals. ;-) >>Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the >>journals? Have you done a thorough literature search? > >So, point us to the studies in humans, please. I'm familiar with >the literature, and I've never seen any which relate at all to >Olney's work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons. Then you would know that Olney himself has casually referred to ""Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"" in a few articles. Why don't *you* point us to some studies? Maybe then this exchange could be productive. >>The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids. >>Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine. > >Well, actually, they HAVE to tolerate some phenylalanine; it's a >essential amino acid. They just try to get as little as is healthy >without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites >in the blood. They're unable to metabolise it. >>Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount >>of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods, >>vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged >>soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin >>for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed >>foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose. > >Goodness, I'm not saying that it's good to feed infants a lot of >glutamate-supplemented foods. It's just that this ""projected safety >margin"" is a construct derived from animal models and given that, >you can ""prove"" anything you like. We're talking prudent policy in >infant nutrition here, yet you're misrepresenting it as received wisdom. Who said anything about 'received wisdom'? There is no question that orally administered doses of MSG are capable of destroying nearly all neurons in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus and the median eminence. These areas are responsible for the production of hormones critical to normal neuroendocrine function and the normal development of the vertabrate organism. Humans are vertebrates. Now what, pray tell, do you think will happen when the area of the brain necessary for the normal rhythm of gonadotropin release is missing? Are you trying to say that humans have no need of their pituitary, ANH, and ME, of that part of the brain that is responsible for controlling the realease (albeit indirectly) of estradiol and testosterone? How do you expect anyone to do the studies on this? It's unethical to ""sacrifice"" humans to check out what effects chronic, acute, etc doses of these compounds are having on the brain tissue in humans. The food industry knows this. That's why the animal model is used in medicine and psych. If you're talking about straight sensitivity, it would be useful to define the term. There are plenty of studies on psychoneuroimmunology showing the link between attitude and physiology. I suspect we may be arguing about separate things; *only* adult sensitivities (You), and late-occuring sequelae of childhood ingestion and its implication for adults (me). Certainly the doses for excitotoxicity in adults are considerably larger than for the young, but the additivity of Glu and Asp, and their copious and increased presence in modern processed foods (jointly), and their hidden presence in HVP, necessitates extreme caution. Why would anyone want to eat compounds which have been shown to markedly perturb the endocrine system in adults? The main point is *blood levels* attained, and oral doses would likely have to be greater than SC. >>Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you >>provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles >>disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever. > >You mean ""asserting"". You're being intellectually dishonest (or just >plain confused), because you're conflating reports which do not necessarily >have anything to do with each other. Olney's reports would argue a potential >for problems in human infants, but that's not to say that this says anything >whatsoever about the use of MSG in most foods, nor does he provide any >studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects (for obvious >reasons.) It says nothing about MSG's contribtion to the phenomenon >of the ""Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"". It says nothing about the frequent >inability to replicate anecdotal reports of MSG sensitivity in the lab. Olney's work provides a putative causal mechanism for some sensitivities. Terry, Epelbaum and Martin have shown that orally administered MSG causes changes in normal gonadotropic hormone fluctutations in adults. Glu also was found to induce immediate and persistant supression of rhythmic GH secretion, and to induce rapid and transient release of prolactin in adults chronically exposed to MSG. GH is responsible not only for control of growth during development, but also converts glycogen into glucose. Could this be the cause of headaches? I don't know. >>>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com >>Hmm. "".com"". Why am I not surprised? >>- Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca > >Probably one of the dumber remarks you've made. If you had read Olney's review article, especially the remarks I already quoted in an earlier post, you would know to what I was alluding. May I ask exactly for whom you do computer consulting? :-) " 5807,2,"From: sra@idx.com Subject: Help w/ Greenleaf CommLib 4.0? Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT Lines: 8 Has anyone had experience with the new Greenleaf CommLib 4.0? I can't even get their demo winterm to run at 4800 baud without dropping characters. tnx, steve /------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > Steve Alpert (W1GGN) IDX Systems Corp. Boston, Massachusetts < \--------------------------- sra @ idx.com ------------------------------/ " 5808,8,"From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr16.175534.13478@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why >one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is, >is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to >design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and >see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of >us who have bikes are familiar. As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations. There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over to begin a turn. 1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over. 2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over. 3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a torque which twists the bike over. Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5, 15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off bugger all, relatively speaking. By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running group where we could start ""counter-footing"" arguments and have them all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners? -- Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085 Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205 " 5809,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: New Member Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20 In article , dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) wrote: > He is right. Just because an event was explained by a human to have been > done ""in the name of religion"", does not mean that it actually followed > the religion. He will always point to the ""ideal"" and say that it wasn't > followed so it can't be the reason for the event. There really is no way > to argue with him, so why bother. Sure, you may get upset because his > answer is blind and not supported factually - but he will win every time > with his little argument. I don't think there will be any postings from > me in direct response to one of his. Hey! Glad to have some serious and constructive contributors in this newsgroup. I agree 100% on the statement above, you might argue with Bobby for eons, and he still does not get it, so the best thing is to spare your mental resources to discuss more interesting issues. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 5810,4,"From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) Subject: Re: Fax modem for the Mac Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 36 In article mbuntan@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes: >Hi all: >Thanks to you all who have responded >to my request for info on various kinds of fax modem. >I'd like to ask a few more questions. >1. What are the advantages of buying a global village >Teleport Gold over other cheaper brands like Supra, Zoom etc? >2. I heard that both Supra and Zoom use the same software. >Why are there so many complaints about the incompatibility problems >of Supra? What kind of incompatibility is it? >3. If I decided to buy the Teleport Gold, is there any >possibility to add a voice option in the near future? >4. Has anyone heard of a possible voice option that Supra will offer >this coming summer? >5. A person did mention a new AT&T modem. Is it >getting good reviews from various Mac Magazines? >6. If I want the best, fastest, most economically sound and >possible voice option, what fax modem should I buy? > >Sorry for posting so many questions, but I think they're necessary. >I promise to repost any answers if they're not already posted by a responder. > >Thanks so much in advance. > >Regards, > >Thian. Since I repost this message again for the second time, I hope to hear from some folks on this topic. Please reply. Regards, Thian. " 5811,9,"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) Subject: Re: Darrrrrrrrryl Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 31 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu Mark Singer brings up the Strawberry Incident, where he lost a homerun and the fan caught it. |> Before each Dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech |> wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that |> are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any |> that are in the field of play. Was the fan wrong? Should he have |> been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility |> of interference? Yes, I think he should have done more to get out of the way. As much as fans want to catch a ball, they really should be aware that winning the game is more important. As a Dodger fan, he has to be aware that this is the home stadium, and that entails helping the home team win in any way possible. As soon as the ball was hit that far, his first instinct should be to root for Darryl to catch it, not to try to catch it himself, particularly when he is sitting that close. I enjoy the attitude of the Wrigley fans, where they are against visiting team home runs so much, they actually throw them back on the field. Now, this has nothing to do with whether Darryl could have caught it or not. Sure, he probably screwed up, but the fan should realize his first responsibility is to get out of the way and help the team win. Daniel daniel@caldera.usc.edu " 5812,11,"From: gtf1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.T. Falk) Subject: alt.security.pgp Nntp-Posting-Host: bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk Organization: U of Cambridge, England Lines: 25 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all.. Does anyone know of a UNIX utility allowing encrypted telnet sessions using public-key? I'd like something so that nobody can snoop my password or session text while I'm logging in remotely over the network. Thanks g. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE REPORT UNSIGNED (HENCE UNAUTHORISED) MESSAGES PURPORTEDLY FROM ME, SENT AFTER 22/04/93. gtf1000@cus.cam.ac.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBVAgUBK9ZxMTQRcjh0adt3AQFHrwH9HwBPyWwr+/O+pEocO9glPOZ5odKHynW8 AJIiF6Tsm+YMqBwmVHoLm7bUb4JPybQanpkmz8tdd4tYuinSX68cVg== =Gw7z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- " 5813,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks I have a nice quote that I like (or as close as I can remember it). If I say something that you think is crazy, ask me what I mean before you think its crazy.. So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but so was Wilbur and Orville Wright, and quite a few others.. Sorry if I do not have the big degrees and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. Sorry my two cents worth. Or is it two rubles worth? The basic quote idea is from H. Beam Pipers book ""Space Vikings"". Its a good book on how civilization can fall, and how it can be raised to new heights. Unfortunately H. Beam Piper killed him self just weeks short of having his first book published, and have his ideas see light.. Such a waste. " 5814,12,"From: rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu (Robert Stephens) Subject: Compressor Problem Nntp-Posting-Host: dexter.psych.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 18 I have a stereo compressor-limiter by Audio Logic (Model MT-66). The gates work, but the compressor seems to be gone on one channel, and very weak on the other. I'll probably need an ocsilloscope to trace it down (no pun intended), but if any one with experience with this type of equipment could point me in a certain direction as to where the circuit is most likely to fail, I'd sure appreciate it. -- Robert C. Stephens rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu Human Factors Research Lab University of Minnesota " 5815,15,"From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY Lines: 22 04 May 93, D. Andrew Byler writes to All: DAB> I think I need to again post the Athanasian Creed, whicc pretty well DAB> delinieates orthodox Christian belief on the Trinity, and on the DAB> Incarnation. DAB> It's a pretty good statement of the beliefs eventually accpeted, and the DAB> Creed is in use by the Catholic Church, as well as the Lutheran, DAB> Anglican, and Orthodox churches (the last minus the filioque, which they DAB> delete from the original form of the creed). Do you have any evidence that it is used by the Orthodox Churches? As far as I know it is purely Western, like the ""Apostles' Creed"". The Orthodox Churches use the ""Symbol of Faith"", commonly called ""The Nicene Creed"". Steve Hayes Department of Missiology University of South Africa --- GoldED 2.40 " 5816,13,"From: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Subject: Bursitis and laser treatment Reply-To: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 20 My family doctor and the physiotherapist (PT) she sent me to agree that the pain in my left shoulder is bursitis. I have an appointment with an orthpod (I love that, it's short for 'orthopedic surgeon, apparently) but while I'm waiting the PT is treating me. She's using hot packs, ultrasound, and lasers, but there's no improvement yet. In fact, I almost suspect it's getting worse. My real question is about the laser treatment. I can't easily imagine what the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem. Can anyone shed some light (so to speak) on the matter? -- Robert Allison Ottawa, Ontario CANADA " 5817,10,"From: dreier@jaffna.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Lines: 59 <1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaffna.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca's message of 16 Apr 1993 18:20:17 GMT In article <1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes: In article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: > >In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: > >>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). > >Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style >player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive >responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his >ice time. > >Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. >This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. > >Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than >Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty >sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When >you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident >that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. Thank you for posting this. As the person who first brought up the fact that Jagr has a much higher +/- than Francis, I can assure you that I brought it up as an example of the absurdity of +/- comparisons, even on the same team. I never, ever thought that anyone would argue that Jagr's higher +/- actually reflected better two-way play. In my opinion, Francis's low +/- is purely a result of him being asked to play against opponents top scorers at all times; the fact that he can chip in 100 points while neutralizing the other team's top center is a testament to how valuable he is, even if his +/- suffers. On the other hand, Jagr, for how big, fast and skilled he is, can't even get 90 points, no matter how inflated his +/- is. (By the way, don't get me wrong -- I like Jagr. He may be a lazy floater, but he turns it on at exactly the right times -- like overtime of playoff games). -- Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu " 5818,5,"From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit) Subject: Problems with OpenWindows Organization: Dept. of Statistics Lines: 22 After having OpenWindows (Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days, the following message appears when trying to open a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows. XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package) I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem. Yali Amit Department of Statistics University of Chicago Chicago IL 60615 " 5819,12,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Article-I.D.: larc.babb-060493164354 Distribution: usa Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu In article <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) wrote: > > I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate > some net.wisdom. > > His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to > electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between > two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. > My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the > inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. I'll bet there's a runway nearby. Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC " 5820,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.735041031 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 10 Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes: >Fascinating. Most of the content of the White House announcements was >in what was *not* said. It gives us almost nothing of value, threatens to >take away a lot, and does it with a sincere smile on its face, >and the nice friendly word ""Management"". The computer, err, government, is your friend. Have a nice day (under penalty of law). -- To refuse praise is to seek praise twice. " 5821,11,"From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 32 In article , tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes: > >This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious >how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow >security without simply saying ""trust the manufacturer, they won't look"". Without getting into the *really* *thorny* questions about reverse engineering and all of that, let me just point out that there already exist gate arrays and suchlike that have what's known as a security fuse which can be programmed after you've verified all other programming -- this makes it impossible to read out the programming of the device (again, ignoring the reverse engineering questions). Speaking from experience here: I had to completely reinvent one of my designs some six or seven years ago when the disk file was zapped, the backups were all bad, and the devices were unreadable because of the security fuses. Made me appreciate the value of printouts. ;-) So on this point at least there's not so much worry. But whether or not we can get the chips made reliably and securely is really secondary to the question of whether use of the chip is itself likely to be secure, methinks. -- Robert Bickford ""A Hacker is any person who derives joy from rab@well.sf.ca.us discovering ways to circumvent limitations."" rab'86 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ""I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile delinquents has taken to calling themselves 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant to the true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls themselves 'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact any attention."" rab'90 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 5822,13,"From: twain@carson.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qvq10INNlij Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr19.204855.10818@rtsg.mot.com> lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) writes: >As nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous >question ""WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT MSG IN ALMOST EVERY FOOD?"" I must assume >that my wife's answer is closer to the truth than I hoped it was. I don't mean to be disrespectful to your concerns, but it seems to me that you're getting all wound up in a non-issue. As many knowledgeable people have pointed out, msg is a naturally occurring substance in a lot, if not most, foods. When food manufacturers add it to a preparation, they do so because it's a known flavor enhancer. Your wife's theory, that MSG is added to food to stimulate appetite, may well be true. But I don't believe it's ALWAYS the reason it's added. People are (largely, for the most part) in charge of their own appetites. >children's and my parent's) seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet >food. The cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other >brand. I have wondered if this is not a case of preference, but, some >sort of chemical training or addiction. My questions, for the net, are: >Does the FDA regulate the contents of pet food? Is it allowed for pet >food to contain addictive or conditioning substances? Is MSG put in >pet food? > You don't know much about cats, do you? Cats will Take Advantage of You. Resign yourself: you will never understand a cat. Their tastes are whimsical. I also suspect, though it's been a while since I've checked ingredients on commercial cat food, that there are much more stringent requirements on pet food additives than human. See, the FDA has this stupid idea that human beings have the intelligence to look out after their own interests. Barbara, wondering how her cat would take care of *her* " 5823,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism : Evidence? Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 21 In article <1qibo2$f4o@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >#>In the absence of some convincing evidence that theist fanatics are more >#>dangerous than atheist fanatics, I'll continue to be wary of fanatics of >#>any stripe. ># >#I think that the agnostic fanatics are the most dangerous of the lot. > >Fair point, actually. I mentioned theists and atheists, but left out >agnostics. Mea culpa. > No wonder in the light of that you are a probably a theist who tries to pass as an agnostic. I still remember your post about your daughter singing Chrismas Carols and your feelings of it well. By the way, would you show marginal honesty and answer the many questions you left open when you ceased to respond last time? Benedikt " 5824,3,"From: peterd@jamie.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers) Subject: Help with fixed-frequency (52kHz?) VGA monitor Nntp-Posting-Host: jamie.dev.cdx.mot.com Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts Lines: 14 I recently bought a monichrome VGA monitor for $99 that will do 1024x768 non-interlaced, which seems like a good deal. However, it is a fixed-scan rate monitor, and only handles 52 kHz horizontal, I think. With my Trident card it works only in graphics modes 5e and 62 - not much use, since just about any application will set the mode to something else, especially if it wants to do text, I suppose. Anyway: - is there any way that I can use this as a general-purpose VGA display with a 1-meg trident 8900C card? - if not, can I do so with some sort of different VGA card? Peter Desnoyers -- " 5825,11,"Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 22 In eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) writes: >FACT: It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license >to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it. Furthermore, >any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent >law, is similarly unlawful. Therefore, the ""average citizen"" cannot use >RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP. WRONG: I don't think even PKP claims this one. It is not unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA. It appears to be unlawful to use it, so I agree with your last sentence. >FACT: There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under >US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change. The only >impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's >patents. Yes, that's correct. -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. " 5826,1,"From: mccool@dgp.toronto.edu (Michael McCool) Subject: Apr 20 Toronto Siggraph Event Organization: University of Toronto Dynamic Graphics Project Distribution: na Lines: 48 Toronto Siggraph ================ What: ``Chance's Art'': 2D Graphics and Animation on the Indigo. By: Ken Evans, Imagicians Artware, Inc. When: Tuesday 20 April 1993 7:00pm-9:00pm Where: The McLuhan Centre for Culture and Technology University of Toronto 39A Queen's Park Crescent Toronto Who: Members and non-members alike (non-members encouraged to become members...) Abstract: Imagicians Artware, Inc. is entering into early beta site testing on Silicon Graphics workstations of a new 2D abstract artwork and animation package called Chance's Art. The package will be described and demonstrated, and some of the technical issues will be discussed. Marketing plans will be outlined. The talk will also present some of the technical and business problems increasingly confronting small startup software companies today, and some of the opportunities this situation presents. Time after the event will be allocated for hands-on demonstrations to interested parties. Silicon Graphics is graciously providing an Indigo for this event. Myck Kupka will also be demonstrating his computerized interactive reflective stereoscope, which is installed upstairs in the McLuhan Centre, so feel free to drop by for a demonstration before or after the event. BTW, be sure to sing ""Happy Birthday, Myck""... The names of nominees for our Siggraph executive offices will be announced at this meeting. Nominations will still be open until the election at our May 18th event; call Myck Kupka at 465-0943 or fax to 465-0729. Directions: The McLuhan Coachhouse is on the east side of Queen's Park Crescent, just NORTH of Wellesley, SOUTH of St. Joseph St., BEHIND (EAST of) 39 Queen's Park Crescent, which is the centre for Mediaeval Studies. For information on Toronto Siggraph membership, contact Michael McCool via: Internet: mccool@dgp.utoronto.ca; Voice: 652-8072/978-6619/978-6027; Fax: 653-1654 " 5827,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 11 In article 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: >On the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks >in space, in 1970 dollars, then won't the reward have to be a lot more >than only 1 billion to get any takers? Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited technology base... and on government contracts. Just doing it privately, rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 5828,17,"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Argic Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hey Serdar: Man without a brain, yare such a LOSER!!! --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo " 5829,1,"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 5 They need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product, i.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media. There are some multi-media and digital television products out there already, albeit, not as capable as 3DO's. But are there compelling reasons to buy such yet? Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-) " 5830,8,"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: [...] >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or >>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? > [...] > >The answer is 161.33 feet. > >--- >Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, [...] Try something like 24.2 feet. EdGetACalculator ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" " 5831,1,"From: inu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (I Rachmat) Subject: Fractal compression Summary: looking for good reference Keywords: fractal Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 6 Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx inu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au inu530n@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au " 5832,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: While Armenians destroyed all the villages from Trabzon to Erzurum... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr4.231353.34562@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes: >this posting as a serious and meaningful one, I want to assure this >entity that it was but a joke> Still yelling at the telephone and the lawn mower? People will think you're just some looney howling in the wires. Now any comment? Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 76,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53. (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie) 'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin, 'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul. ""I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun. They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."" Dr. Stephan Eshnanie Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5833,14,"From: fleice_mike@tandem.com (Mike Fleice) Subject: Last call: S/W wizard position at Tandem (Cupertino CA) Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.252.132.77 Organization: Tandem Computers Incorporated, Cupertino, CA Lines: 28 Well, we got some responses and are doing some interviews with interesting responders. However, just in case the other posting was overlooked by an incredibly talented person ... Mea Culpa for posting this here for Mike, but we're looking for someone special: Tandem Computers is currently looking for a software wizard to help us architect & implement a fault-tolerant generalized instrumentation subsystem as part of our proprietary operating system kernel (TNS Kernel). The TNS Kernel is a proprietary, loosely-coupled parallel, message-based operating system. The TNS Kernel has wide connectivity to open standards. In this key individual contributor role, you will work with other developers working on various components of the Transaction Management Facility. Your background needs to encompass some of the following 4 categories (3 of 4 would be excellent): Category 1. Math: Working knowledge of statistics, real analysis, as used in experimental physics or chemistry, or in engineering. Category 2. Working knowledge of telemetry issues-- i.e. time series, autocorrelation, and statistical correlation of data streams. Category 3. Integration & Test -- Instrumentation of systems under test, i.e. payloads, flight modules, etc. Category 4: Software Engineering: programming skills, algorithms, and systems software techniques. Please send your resume to Mike Fleice, Tandem Computers 10555 Ridgeview Ct., LOC 100-27, Cupertino, CA 95014-0789; Fax (408) 285-0813; or e-mail fleice_mike@tandem.com " 5834,16,"From: chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Nntp-Posting-Host: beluga.morningstar.com Organization: /usr/local/etc/organization Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >> >> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods. > > Perfectly correct, but it won't make any difference. I agree. Sad, but true. > >> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. > > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Please name one. > >> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >> scientific scrutiny. > > New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public > or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that > inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold > cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. > .... Upon which our Bill of Rights is based. Some delusion. >> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. > > They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue > is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. > Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive > by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every > time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, > every time some moron kills his wife because she took the > last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' > in the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that* > clearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not > strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society > as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of > as many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough > active voters believe in that course. > If this were not true in practice, then certain unethical politicians would not be passing gun control laws. Politicians are generally whores to public opinion. This does NOT mean the the public is either well informed or correct. As for the stats, anyone can support anything with the right stats. The ""right"" stats, from what I've seen, are sometimes even used to support conflicting sides of the same issue. >> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters? > > Talk all you want. Talk about the ""good old days"" when > you used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will > take on the character of war stories ... and no one will > be very interested anymore. > Used to own firearms? While armed insurrection, as the FF's of the Const. may have envisioned seems to me a somewhat fanatical approach to avoiding this, Political protest is still an option at this point. I agree that it's argueably not enough and/or too late. If all else fails, there's always PVC pipe and cosmoline. -- Chris Miller chris@MorningStar.Com My opinions are my own (obviously), and by definition do not reflect the opinions of anyone else... " 5835,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Isuzu Amigo Opinions sought Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 16 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter) says: >I like the Amigo; I would like some feedback... > >Any and all feedback appreciated- Yet another Jeep wannabe designed for yuppies who will never take it off road but want to look ""outdoorsey"". -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 5836,0,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Lines: 66 James Hogan writes: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >>Jim Hogan quips: >>... (summary of Jim's stuff) >>Jim, I'm afraid _you've_ missed the point. >>>Thus, I think you'll have to admit that atheists have a lot >>more up their sleeve than you might have suspected. >>Nah. I will encourage people to learn about atheism to see how little atheists >>have up their sleeves. Whatever I might have suspected is actually quite >>meager. If you want I'll send them your address to learn less about your >>faith. >Faith? Yeah, do you expect people to read the FAQ, etc. and actually accept hard atheism? No, you need a little leap of faith, Jimmy. Your logic runs out of steam! >>>Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock >>>the idea of a God? .... >>>I hope you understand now. >>Yes, Jim. I do understand now. Thank you for providing some healthy sarcasm >>that would have dispelled any sympathies I would have had for your faith. >Bake, >Real glad you detected the sarcasm angle, but am really bummin' that >I won't be getting any of your sympathy. Still, if your inclined >to have sympathy for somebody's *faith*, you might try one of the >religion newsgroups. >Just be careful over there, though. (make believe I'm >whispering in your ear here) They're all delusional! Jim, Sorry I can't pity you, Jim. And I'm sorry that you have these feelings of denial about the faith you need to get by. Oh well, just pretend that it will all end happily ever after anyway. Maybe if you start a new newsgroup, alt.atheist.hard, you won't be bummin' so much? >Good job, Jim. >. >Bye, Bake. >>[more slim-Jim (tm) deleted] >Bye, Bake! >Bye, Bye! Bye-Bye, Big Jim. Don't forget your Flintstone's Chewables! :) -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) " 5837,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: The Escrow Database. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 41 Perry E. Metzger (pmetzger@snark.shearson.com) wrote: : Here is a disturbing thought. ....good stuff elided.... : Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on : the escrow databases. : ....... : secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our : teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they : would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million : Clipper chips. Sounds to me like a *great* gimmick for a replacement market...every so often issue a ""Clipper Alert"" announcing that some key backup tapes are missing, that some Drug Lords got 'em, whatever. Then the owners of these $1200 Clipperphones have to trot down to their local Key Escrow Agency and buy new chips and have them programmed. Microtoxin, the Clipper supplier, will make a killing...maybe this was the real idea. (Anybody know if Janet Reno has stock in Microtoxin, VLSI Technology, or AT&T?) Could be a good opportunity to undermine this with some disinformation: float rumors that the key database has been stolen. All the chips need replacing. It angers people, undermines confidence even more, and kills sales. After the Waco Massacre and the Big Brother Wiretap Chip, any tactic is fair. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 5838,13,"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame) Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr17.181013.3743@uvm.edu> hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) writes: >Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than >sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces >when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to >for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate >substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde >produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to >living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. [...] In the September 1992 issue of THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER, there is a three page article about artificial sweeteners. What follows are those excerpts which deal specifically with Nutrasweet. [Reproduced without permission] The controversy [over aspartame] began six years ago in England, where a group of researchers found that aspartame, marketed under the tradename Nutrasweet, appears to stimulate appetite and, presumably, the eating of more calories in the long run than if a person simply consumed sugar. When researchers asked a group of 95 people to drink plain water, aspartame-sweetened water, and sugared water, they said that overall they felt hungriest after drinking the artificially sweetened beverage. The study received widespread media attention and stirred a good deal of concern among the artificial-sweetener-using public. However, its results were questionable at best, since the researchers did not go on to measure whether the increase in appetite did actually translate into an increase in eating. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand. In the years that followed, more than a dozen studies examining the effect of aspartame on appetite -- and eating -- were conducted. And after reviewing every one of them, the director of the Laboratory of the Study of Human Ingestive Behavior at Johns Hopkins University, Barbara Rolls, Ph.D., concluded that consuming aspartame- sweetened foods and drinks is not associated with any increase in the amount of food eaten afterward. One artificial sweetener that is not typically accused of causing cancer is aspartame. But it most certainly has been blamed for a host of other ills. Since its introduction in 1981, the government has received thousands of complaints accusing it of causing everything from headaches to nausea to mood swings to anxiety. Still, years of careful scientific study conducted both before and after the sweetener's entering the market have failed to confirm that it can bring about adverse health effects. That's why the Centers for Disease Control (the government agency charged with monitoring public health), the American Medical Association's Council on Scientific Affairs, and the Food and Drug Administration have given aspartame, one of the most studied food additives, a clean bill of health. Granted, the FDA has set forth an ""acceptable daily intake"" of 50 milligrams of aspartame per kilogram of body weight. To exceed the limit, however, a 120-pound (55 kg.) woman would have to take in 2,750 milligrams of aspartame -- the amount in 15 cans of aspartame-sweetened soda pop, 14 cups of gelatin, 22 cups of yogurt, or 55 six-ounce servings of aspartame-containing hot cocoa,... A 175-pound (80 kg.) man would have to consume some 4,000 milligrams of the sweetener -- the amount in 22 cans of soda pop or 32 cups of yogurt -- to go over the limit. [chart with aspartame content of selected foods omitted] Only one small group of people must be certain to stay away from aspartame: those born with a rare metabolic disorder called phenylketonuria, or PKU. The estimated one person in every 12,000 to 15,000 who has it is unable to properly metabolize an essential amino acid in aspartame called phenylalanine. Once a child consumes it, it builds up in the body and can ultimately cause such severe problems as mental retardation. To help people with PKU avoid the substance, labels on cans of soda pop and other aspartame-sweetened foods must carry the warning ""Phenylketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine."" -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) " 5839,9,"Subject: Mark Whiten From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) Lines: 13 I was on vacation all last week and didn't see any news at all. Could somebody fill me in on how St. Louis ended up with Mark Whiten in a trade? Who did we give up Arocha, Allen Watson, Dmitri Young, or did Dal make a decent deal? : Russ Smith ******************************************************************************* ""I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."" George Gervin on being an assistant coach ******************************************************************************** " 5840,8,From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine) Subject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC Organization: URI Department of Electrical Engineering Lines: 12 For sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition. Good condition. Many extras. Asking $7500. Located in Rhode Island. Peter Levine plevine@ele.uri.edu 5841,12,"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Organization: Michigan Technological University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 Dave Martindale (dave@imax.imax.com) wrote: : They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin : of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's : mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal : faceplate, if any). I thought the ground WAS connected to the metal frame on the socket. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat. " 5842,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Summary: Mr. Koc wins a free prize! Keywords: philosophy, Greece, Persians, math Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 43 In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu. sdpa.org (David Davidian) who wrote: [DD] Problem 1 [DD] [DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the [DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed [DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the [DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. [DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the [DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. [DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to [DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers [DD] there were before the massacre. [Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate the area of Armenians! [Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After [Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in this seventh century story! Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915. Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon either! Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 5843,11,"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) Distribution: na Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 33 In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article >elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes: >> >>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an ""open system"" from >>elsewhere? >Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was >more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like >to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my >services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid >information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments >which would aid them. >I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities. >The President and many other senior government officials have made it very >clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the >""coincidence of interests"" argument as well as on a basic trust in their >professionalism and a high confidence in their skills. >David >-- >David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of > our information, errors and omissions excepted. Nothing but errors and omissions here! -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. " 5844,10,"From: nmcglynn@buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk (Neil A. McGlynn) Subject: British Championship Playoffs (16 Apr 93) Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 45 Reply-To: nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK Group A Group B ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ Cardiff Devils 7-3 Bracknell Bees Nottingham Panthers 8-3 Billingham Humberside 7-7 Whitley Warriors Murrayfield Racers 11-2 Fife Flyers Whitley Bay 6-9 Cardiff Devils Billingham Bombers 6-8 Murrayfield Humberside 8-5 Bracknell Bees Nottingham Panthers 11-5 Fife Flyers Cardiff Devils 10-4 Humberside Murrayfield Racers 6-4 Nottingham Bracknell Bees 4-9 Whitley Bay Fife Flyers 2-5 Billingham Bracknell Bees 3-8 Cardiff Devils Billingham Bombers 2-8 Nottingham Whitley Bay 5-7 Humberside Fife Flyers 3-12 Murrayfield P W D L F A P P W D L F A P Cardiff Devils 4 4 0 0 34 16 8* Murrayfield Racers 4 4 0 0 37 15 8* Humberside 4 2 1 1 26 27 5 Nottingham Panthers 4 3 0 1 31 16 6* Whitley Bay 4 1 1 2 27 27 3 Billingham Bombers 4 1 0 3 16 26 2 Bracknell Bees 4 0 0 4 15 32 0 Fife Flyers 4 0 0 4 12 39 0 * indicates qualified for Championship Finals Relegation/Promotion A Relegation/Promotion B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Basingstoke 10-4 Swindon Wildcats Sheffield Steelers 12-8 Peterborough Durham Wasps 13-5 Romford Raiders Slough Jets 1-9 MK Kings Basingstoke 6-0 Durham Wasps Sheffield Steelers 9-4 Milton Keynes Swindon 8-5 Romford Raiders Milton Keynes Kings 4-6 Peterborough Durham Wasps 17-2 Swindon Wildcats Slough Jets 2-12 Sheffield Romford 4-10 Basingstoke Peterborough 10-2 Slough Jets Romford *8-3* Durham Wasps Peterborough 8-5 Sheffield Swindon 7-11 Basingstoke Milton Keynes Kings 10-4 Slough Jets P W D L F A P P W D L F A P Basingstoke 4 4 0 0 37 15 8 Sheffield Steelers 4 3 0 0 38 22 6 Durham Wasps 4 2 0 2 33 21 4 Peterborough 4 3 0 1 32 23 6 Swindon 4 1 0 3 21 43 2 Milton Keynes Kings 4 2 0 2 27 20 4 Romford Raiders 4 1 0 3 22 34 2 Slough Jets 4 0 0 4 9 41 0 /-- / /-- /-- /-- / \ / /-- /-/ --- o Neil A. McGlynn +44 473 645659 /-- / /__ /-- /-- / / /-- /_/ /__ o nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk / / / /-- / /__ / /-- /\ ___/ o British Telecom Laboratories, --------------------------------------- Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK " 5845,2,"From: FL2G@gandalf.fl.bs.dlr.de (Reiner Suikat) Subject: TrueType font mix-up Times=>Cyrillic Organization: DLR Insitute of Flight Guidance Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: frodo.fl.bs.dlr.de Hi I'm having a problem with TrueType fonts in WIndows 3.1. I have installed the Cyrillic fonts I found on CICA and now a strange thing happens: Sometimes windows uses Cyrillic when its supposed to use Times Roman. Examples: The PC-Tools Backup (version 7.1) has one line of Cyrillic text in its opening banner, the next to last line. Importing a Word for Windows text written in Times into WP5.2 also results in Cyrillic. Does anyone have an idea where to look for the problem? Thanks -- Reiner Suikat | Institute for Flight Guidance fl2g@gandalf.fl.bs.dlr.de | German Aerospace Research Establishment (DLR) " 5846,4,"From: drlovemd@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve Liu) Subject: What is the current Rom Version shipping in Syquest drives? Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF Lines: 4 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 The title says it all. I need to know the 44, 88, and 88c rom versions. Steve :-) " 5847,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: mathew writes: >>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist? > > Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you > blame the tiger? As far as I know, tigers are not sentient. If I were pushed into a pool with some dolphins and they attacked me, I might be inclined to blame the dolphins rather than the person doing the pushing, as (a) dolphins are not usually aggressive and (b) they seem to have well-developed brains and a capacity for abstract thought. As a matter of fact, tigers rarely attack humans unless the human provokes them. Of course, if they are in a cage which is far too small, that might count as provocation... mathew " 5848,18,"From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott) Subject: Re: A loathesome subject Summary: Why the ""quote marks"", Roy? Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products Lines: 33 In article roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes: >Anyone with any degree of sensitivity or awareness has to be >concerned about the horrendous amount of ""child abuse"" that >exists in this country. [...] > >The critical factor here is whether the sexual activity is ""forced"" [...] > >When a child is ""forced"" there is often ""damage"", on the other hand, >""consensual"" relationships are often found to be ""positive experiences"" >for all concerned. [...] > >Roy Radow roy@panix.com ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy >North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample Why all the quote marks, Roy? I can see that they might be appropriate where there is a legitimate concern that the words are being distorted by context, or that they have been appropriated Newspeak-style, but, reading your comments above, one might be excused if they assumed that you were claiming that ""child abuse"", ""forced"" sexual activity, and ""damage"" caused by this is non-existant or greatly overblown. ""Positive experiences"", indeed! -Paul Elliott (Member in good standing of the Optilink Mafia) -- -------- Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA ---------- {uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com ""I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."" " 5849,8,"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 30 Several years ago, while driving a cage, a dog darted out at a quiet intersection right in front of me but there was enough distance between us so I didn't have to slow down. However, a 2nd dog suddenly appeared and collided with my right front bumper and the force of the impact was enough to kill that Scottish Terrier. Apparently, it was following the 1st dog. Henceforth, if a dog decides to cross the street, keep an eye out for a 2nd dog as many dogs like to travel in pairs or packs. I've yet to experience a dog chasing me on my black GL1200I which has a pretty loud OEM horn (not as good as Fiamms, but good enuff) but the bike is large and heavy enough to run right over one of the smaller nippers while the larger ones would have trouble getting my leg between the saddlebags and engine guards. I'd def feel more vulnerable on my '68 Trump as that'd be easier leg chewing target for those mongrels. If there's a persistent dog running after bikers despite complaints to the owner I wouldn't be adverse to running over it with my truck as a dogs life isn't worth much IMHO compared to a child riding a bike who gets knocked to the ground by said dog and dies from a head injury. Any dog in the neighborhood that's vicious or a public menace running about unleashed is fair game as road kill candidate. Graeme Harrison (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 " 5850,2,"From: mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: DRD Corporation Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr26.185033.12279@drd.com> mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) writes: >I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial >software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing >landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+. > >In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of >information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font >output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the >first. > >WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the ""Default"" location >for the printers instead of ""Tractor"" or ""Manual"". They have also filed >this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it. > >MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that >Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm >not. > >Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider- >my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely* >they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround. > >WORKAROUND >---------- >Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen >printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like >magic, all of your problems will go away. > >Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies! > >-- Mike Excuse me, that's 850 x 1163. -- Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike.rovak@drd.com ======================================================================== " 5851,17,"From: ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) Subject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 47 Marc A Afifi (mafifi@eis.calstate.edu) wrote: > pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: > > > Peter, > > I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing > to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by > yourself? > > -marc > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with > both eyes. > My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. > ______________________________________________________________________________ An open letter to Marc Afifi Dear Marc, I believe that you are wrong about Mr. Freeman. He has written in a style that raises the level of posts on this board. If you just don't seem to get it, I believe that it is more of a reflection of you and your abilities than of him. His posts contain substance and and he defends his positions well. Having said this, I would like to ask in general for people on this board to realize that if they don't agree with the substance of posts, then they should respond to the substance (or lack of) of the posts rather than attack the author of the posts. When one has to resort to attacking a poster rather than what he/she has written, one can see that that person does not have the ability to make a coherent argument concerning the post. Peace, Danny " 5852,1,Subject: Need rgb data from saved images From: Organization: Penn State University Lines: 4 Could someone please help me find a program or figure out how to extract a li st of R G B values for each pixel in an image. I can convert between tga and s everal other popular formats but I need the R G B values for use in a program I am writing. Thanks for the help 5853,13,"From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine Distribution: usa In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes: > > A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's > disease. > > But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, > without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. > > Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the > problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > > (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). > > Thanks in advance, > John Eyles All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who are in ""private practice"" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal. Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet. Marty B. " 5854,12,"From: d2bohre@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Bohre) Subject: Digital Answering mach Keywords: digital Nntp-Posting-Host: hacke9.dtek.chalmers.se Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden Lines: 10 Does anybody know anything about the chips D6275A/D6235A/D6205A chips from DSP Telecommunications Inc? I'd greatly appreciate information about price, pinouts and peripherals. Regards, Henrik Bohre @>-+-- " 5855,3,"From: hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) Subject: (Q) CONNER HD specs Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications? It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values, precomp, etc. Heikki Haldre Internet: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se " 5856,2,"From: ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: Computer Sci. & Information Eng., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 7 Dear friend, The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about computer architecture for more information about RISC. ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw form R.O.C TaiwaN " 5857,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 14/15 - How to Become an Astronaut Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Article-I.D.: cs.astronaut_733694515 Expires: 6 May 1993 20:01:55 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 313 Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Archive-name: space/astronaut Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:02 $ HOW TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT First the short form, authored by Henry Spencer, then an official NASA announcement. Q. How do I become an astronaut? A. We will assume you mean a NASA astronaut, since it's probably impossible for a non-Russian to get into the cosmonaut corps (paying passengers are not professional cosmonauts), and the other nations have so few astronauts (and fly even fewer) that you're better off hoping to win a lottery. Becoming a shuttle pilot requires lots of fast-jet experience, which means a military flying career; forget that unless you want to do it anyway. So you want to become a shuttle ""mission specialist"". If you aren't a US citizen, become one; that is a must. After that, the crucial thing to remember is that the demand for such jobs vastly exceeds the supply. NASA's problem is not finding qualified people, but thinning the lineup down to manageable length. It is not enough to be qualified; you must avoid being *dis*qualified for any reason, many of them in principle quite irrelevant to the job. Get a Ph.D. Specialize in something that involves getting your hands dirty with equipment, not just paper and pencil. Forget computer programming entirely; it will be done from the ground for the fore- seeable future. Degree(s) in one field plus work experience in another seems to be a frequent winner. Be in good physical condition, with good eyesight. (DO NOT get a radial keratomy or similar hack to improve your vision; nobody knows what sudden pressure changes would do to RKed eyes, and long-term effects are poorly understood. For that matter, avoid any other significant medical unknowns.) If you can pass a jet-pilot physical, you should be okay; if you can't, your chances are poor. Practise public speaking, and be conservative and conformist in appearance and actions; you've got a tough selling job ahead, trying to convince a cautious, conservative selection committee that you are better than hundreds of other applicants. (And, also, that you will be a credit to NASA after you are hired: public relations is a significant part of the job, and NASA's image is very prim and proper.) The image you want is squeaky-clean workaholic yuppie. Remember also that you will need a security clearance at some point, and Security considers everybody guilty until proven innocent. Keep your nose clean. Get a pilot's license and make flying your number one hobby; experienced pilots are known to be favored even for non-pilot jobs. Work for NASA; of 45 astronauts selected between 1984 and 1988, 43 were military or NASA employees, and the remaining two were a NASA consultant and Mae Jemison (the first black female astronaut). If you apply from outside NASA and miss, but they offer you a job at NASA, ***TAKE IT***; sometimes in the past this has meant ""you do look interesting but we want to know you a bit better first"". Think space: they want highly motivated people, so lose no chance to demonstrate motivation. Keep trying. Many astronauts didn't make it the first time. NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center Houston, Texas Announcement for Mission Specialist and Pilot Astronaut Candidates ================================================================== Astronaut Candidate Program --------------------------- The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has a need for Pilot Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidates to support the Space Shuttle Program. NASA is now accepting on a continuous basis and plans to select astronaut candidates as needed. Persons from both the civilian sector and the military services will be considered. All positions are located at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, and will involved a 1-year training and evaluation program. Space Shuttle Program Description --------------------------------- The numerous successful flights of the Space Shuttle have demonstrated that operation and experimental investigations in space are becoming routine. The Space Shuttle Orbiter is launched into, and maneuvers in the Earth orbit performing missions lastling up to 30 days. It then returns to earth and is ready for another flight with payloads and flight crew. The Orbiter performs a variety of orbital missions including deployment and retrieval of satellites, service of existing satellites, operation of specialized laboratories (astronomy, earth sciences, materials processing, manufacturing), and other operations. These missions will eventually include the development and servicing of a permanent space station. The Orbiter also provides a staging capability for using higher orbits than can be achieved by the Orbiter itself. Users of the Space Shuttle's capabilities are both domestic and foreign and include government agencies and private industries. The crew normally consists of five people - the commander, the pilot, and three mission specialists. On occasion additional crew members are assigned. The commander, pilot, and mission specialists are NASA astronauts. Pilot Astronaut Pilot astronauts server as both Space Shuttle commanders and pilots. During flight the commander has onboard responsibility for the vehicle, crew, mission success and safety in flight. The pilot assists the commander in controlling and operating the vehicle. In addition, the pilot may assist in the deployment and retrieval of satellites utilizing the remote manipulator system, in extra-vehicular activities, and other payload operations. Mission Specialist Astronaut Mission specialist astronauts, working with the commander and pilot, have overall responsibility for the coordination of Shuttle operations in the areas of crew activity planning, consumables usage, and experiment and payload operations. Mission specialists are required to have a detailed knowledge of Shuttle systems, as well as detailed knowledge of the operational characteristics, mission requirements and objectives, and supporting systems and equipment for each of the experiments to be conducted on their assigned missions. Mission specialists will perform extra-vehicular activities, payload handling using the remote manipulator system, and perform or assist in specific experimental operations. Astronaut Candidate Program =========================== Basic Qualification Requirements -------------------------------- Applicants MUST meet the following minimum requirements prior to submitting an application. Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate: 1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering, biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible, professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable and may be substituted for part or all of the experience requirement (master's degree = 1 year, doctoral degree = 3 years). Quality of academic preparation is important. 2. Ability to pass a NASA class II space physical, which is similar to a civilian or military class II flight physical and includes the following specific standards: Distant visual acuity: 20/150 or better uncorrected, correctable to 20/20, each eye. Blood pressure: 140/90 measured in sitting position. 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches. Pilot Astronaut Candidate: 1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering, biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible, professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable. Quality of academic preparation is important. 2. At least 1000 hours pilot-in-command time in jet aircraft. Flight test experience highly desirable. 3. Ability to pass a NASA Class I space physical which is similar to a military or civilian Class I flight physical and includes the following specific standards: Distant visual acuity: 20/50 or better uncorrected correctable to 20/20, each eye. Blood pressure: 140/90 measured in sitting position. 4. Height between 64 and 76 inches. Citizenship Requirements Applications for the Astronaut Candidate Program must be citizens of the United States. Note on Academic Requirements Applicants for the Astronaut Candidate Program must meet the basic education requirements for NASA engineering and scientific positions -- specifically: successful completion of standard professional curriculum in an accredited college or university leading to at least a bachelor's degree with major study in an appropriate field of engineering, biological science, physical science, or mathematics. The following degree fields, while related to engineering and the sciences, are not considered qualifying: - Degrees in technology (Engineering Technology, Aviation Technology, Medical Technology, etc.) - Degrees in Psychology (except for Clinical Psychology, Physiological Psychology, or Experimental Psychology which are qualifying). - Degrees in Nursing. - Degrees in social sciences (Geography, Anthropology, Archaeology, etc.) - Degrees in Aviation, Aviation Management or similar fields. Application Procedures ---------------------- Civilian The application package may be obtained by writing to: NASA Johnson Space Center Astronaut Selection Office ATTN: AHX Houston, TX 77058 Civilian applications will be accepted on a continuous basis. When NASA decides to select additional astronaut candidates, consideration will be given only to those applications on hand on the date of decision is made. Applications received after that date will be retained and considered for the next selection. Applicants will be notified annually of the opportunity to update their applications and to indicate continued interest in being considered for the program. Those applicants who do not update their applications annually will be dropped from consideration, and their applications will not be retained. After the preliminary screening of applications, additional information may be requested for some applicants, and person listed on the application as supervisors and references may be contacted. Active Duty Military Active duty military personnel must submit applications to their respective military service and not directly to NASA. Application procedures will be disseminated by each service. Selection --------- Personal interviews and thorough medical evaluations will be required for both civilian and military applicants under final consideration. Once final selections have been made, all applicants who were considered will be notified of the outcome of the process. Selection rosters established through this process may be used for the selection of additional candidates during a one year period following their establishment. General Program Requirements Selected applicants will be designated Astronaut Candidates and will be assigned to the Astronaut Office at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas. The astronaut candidates will undergo a 1 year training and evaluation period during which time they will be assigned technical or scientific responsibilities allowing them to contribute substantially to ongoing programs. They will also participate in the basic astronaut training program which is designed to develop the knowledge and skills required for formal mission training upon selection for a flight. Pilot astronaut candidates will maintain proficiency in NASA aircraft during their candidate period. Applicants should be aware that selection as an astronaut candidate does not insure selection as an astronaut. Final selection as an astronaut will depend on satisfactory completion of the 1 year training and evaluation period. Civilian candidates who successfully complete the training and evaluation and are selected as astronauts will become permanent Federal employees and will be expected to remain with NASA for a period of at least five years. Civilian candidates who are not selected as astronauts may be placed in other positions within NASA depending upon Agency requirements and manpower constraints at that time. Successful military candidates will be detailed to NASA for a specified tour of duty. NASA has an affirmative action program goal of having qualified minorities and women among those qualified as astronaut candidates. Therefore, qualified minorities and women are encouraged to apply. Pay and Benefits ---------------- Civilians Salaries for civilian astronaut candidates are based on the Federal Governments General Schedule pay scales for grades GS-11 through GS-14, and are set in accordance with each individuals academic achievements and experience. Other benefits include vacation and sick leave, a retirement plan, and participation in group health and life insurance plans. Military Selected military personnel will be detailed to the Johnson Space Center but will remain in an active duty status for pay, benefits, leave, and other similar military matters. NEXT: FAQ #15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services " 5858,3,"From: mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Nntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 12 In article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: >I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just >been released. What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 " 5859,0,"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 24 In-Reply-To: frank@D012S658.uucp's message of 15 Apr 1993 23:15:09 GMT X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes: (Attempting to define 'objective morality'): > I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base > this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly > of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), > almost all would want to complain. So long as you keep that ""almost"" in there, freedom will be a mostly valuable thing, to most people. That is, I think you're really saying, ""a real big lot of people agree freedom is subjectively valuable to them"". That's good, and a quite nice starting point for a moral system, but it's NOT UNIVERSAL, and thus not ""objective"". > Therefore I take it that to assert or > believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see > that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on > a rainy day. It isn't in Sahara. -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" " 5860,8,"From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) Subject: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Distribution: ba Lines: 11 I'm looking to buy a used motorcycle helmet. I'm interested in a full face shield, but not necessarily a helmet with the piece around the chin. Please email me directly. Janice Kendall kendall@adobe.com ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall ONWARD; THRU THE FOG! (TM) - Oat Willie's (TM) " 5861,6,"From: aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Austin Harris) Subject: BC200XLT Handheld Radio Scanner Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Distribution: usa Lines: 12 Hello, I have a BC200XLT handheld radio scanner which recieves police, fire, ambulance, aircraft, cordless and cellular phone, etc. The unit is in original condition and comes with the manual, the power supply and battery charger. Price is $200 plus s/h. Austin Harris aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu " 5862,4,"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Good Hard-Disk driver for non-Apple drives? (Sys 7.1 compat.) Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 14 Hi there! What is your recommendation for a good hard-disk driver software for non-Apple drives? I would mainly need it for a SyQuest removable media drive, but maybe for some normal drives too. I have heard and seen good things about SilverLining, but don't know any competitors. It does not need to be fancy, filled with features... I more like it affordable. Thanks -- Jartsu " 5863,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes: >|> > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >|> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >|> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to >|> >sell them but have gotten NO interest. > >We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these. Yes, but they don't look appropriate. I much prefer used 833 tubes on my tree. --scott " 5864,18,"From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) Subject: History, Its Dangerous Nntp-Posting-Host: vladimir.wetware.com Reply-To: drieux@wetware.com Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper Lines: 43 In article AJv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.143224.23273@alleg.edu> meyerj (Jon Meyer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr5.073813.5246@nwnexus.WA.COM> pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter >>D. Hampe) writes: >>> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes: >>> >>> >pps: Why is there Still NO CALL to end Clinton's Illegal >>> >war in Somalia????? >>> >>> Hold on there tex - it's not his war. Everybody knows that >>> its Part of the ReaganBushLegacy. > ^^^^^^? >> >>Yeah, sure. They created the starvation there. They put the warlords >>there. Yep. Sure. Been brainwashed by the media, haven't you? > >He probably is. By the way: what has Reagan to do with this any way? I >bet most people had never even heard of Somalia, during the Reagan >administration! Ok boys and girls, ""What was the 'Ogadan War'????"" The Money Raised in Band-Aid covered How Much of the Cost of Which Soviet Client State to replace what catagory of weapon system lost in the aforementioned war? Why was the Joke: ""We arm the World."" Really Not that funny? Gonzo Station is the designation for WHICH USN Op Area? and the primary threat targets in the Area Were:..... ciao drieux --- ""All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy! All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"" -Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings " 5865,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Flyback squeal in video monitors Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 41 In article <1993Mar31.204036.4359@ssc.com>, markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes: |> Zack Lau (zlau@arrl.org) wrote: |> : In sci.electronics, xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han) writes: |> : >In article <1993Mar24.163510.158@hubcap.clemson.edu> michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Michael D. Townsend) writes: |> : >>brendan@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Brendan Jones) writes: |> : >> |> : >>My mom's 25"" Magnavox does this as well. I put chewing gum all around |> : >>the horizontal sync transformer so it wouldn't resonate the board as |> : >>much. Don't flame, it worked. I realize that there is a more suitable |> : >>substance available for this purpose, but I don't remember what and |> : >>where it is. |> : |> : >Adhesive silicon, from hardware store. |> : |> : If it smells like vinegar, it may damage metal surfaces by |> : promoting corrosion. |> |> Anybody tried Superglue (cyanoacrylate ?). This should sneak |> into the cracks better, and is stiffer than silicone. I've found this works pretty well on noisy laminated power transformer cores and windings (the 60Hz kind). Likewise, if anybody has tried this on a flyback I'd like to hear about it. I would suspect it would not be as effective as it was on power transformers as the material wouldn't damp as well--something I suspect would be critical at the frequencies involved (in other words, you want absorption rather than prevention which would be real difficult at 15 KHz). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 5866,19,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Christian meta-ethics Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 121 NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu Summary: Spit out the lukewarm! -*---- In article mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes: > Well, the whole *point* of making these the ""base"" commandments is that > they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a > law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful > to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a > personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. ... The two commandments *are* rules; they are merely rules that are so vague that they are practically devoid of meaning. Michael Siemon acknowledges this every time he writes that the resolution of an argument over them turns on secular and cultural assumptions that are independent of these rules. > ... The Great Commandment is, more than anything else, a call > to act *as if you were God and accepting ultimate responsibility* > in your every action. ... The commandment to love your neighbor as yourself can be viewed, in part, as reminding man that he is not God and cannot act as if he has ""ultimate responsibility."" Indeed, many traditions present an interpretation where believers are supposed to interpret loving one's neighbor as following various other rules, and relying on their god to make things come out right, precisely because it would be wrong for man to assume such ""ultimate responsibility."" Once again, we are confronted with good sounding goo that means whatever the reader wants it to mean. > ... ""Conservatives"" may twist this ""act as if you were God"" to > mean ""lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them > as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules."" They are so > insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a > lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such > idiocy IS how God acts. ... And who is to say that this interpretation is ""twisted""? There are many passages in the Bible that in their most straightforward reading show the Christian god behaving in just this way. Michael cannot refer to ""base"" claims or base commandments to show that such readings are ""twisted,"" because this divergence in understanding occurs even in trying to interpret the ""base"" claims and commandments. In addressing conservative Christians, Michael will necessarily draw upon secular and cultural notions that these conservative Christians will reject. > But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our > society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It > may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems > -- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. But these base commandments are too vague to serve as ""a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems."" The meaning of these base commandments for any believer derives from the secular and cultural notions that the believer brings to them, from how the believer mixes their demands with straightforward readings of other Biblical passages, from a particular sectarian tradition, or from some combination of these things. These commandments lack sufficient substance in themself to serve as a basis for criticizing ethical systems. What meaning they have comes from the ethical system the believer brings to these commandments. > And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged > *different* ""ethical systems"" (or in some cases, none). As a result, > it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular > (or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. > It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very > little, if anything, in the way of ""commandments"" -- so little that > the ""Christians"" who desperately *want* commandments go ""mining"" for > them with almost no support ... The one, single, thing in the gospels > which Jesus specifically ""gives"" as ""a commandment"" to us is ""love > one another."" Jesus explicitly states that this summarizes Jewish law, which would seem to bring in all of it if we properly understand what it means to love God and love our neighbors. There are *many* parables and teachings the gospels attribute to Jesus that are straightforwardly read as ethical commandments. The Pauline epistles are similarly full. If it is not clear that these all come together in a sensible understanding of ethical behavior, the problem is *not* a lack of raw material. -*---- > I am a ""radical"" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. No, Michael, the conservative Christians also take the gospel seriously. What differentiates you is the way you interpret the gospel. > ... Why don't I and the (myriads of) other Christians like me > tell you something about Christianity? ... In a sense, the wide variety of interpretations does tell us something about Christianity. It tells us that the New Testament authors left a sufficiently vague hodge-podge that it can serve as the source text for many, vastly different beliefs about the nature of the Christian god and about what men should and shouldn't do. The irony here is that there is *nothing* in Christianity per se that Michael can use to support the cause of lesbians and gays. *Every* Christian principle he turns to this cause is effective only through the extra-Christian principles through which Michael interprets his religion, and the homophobes apply the *same* Christian principles, with equal justification, to their cause. In short, it is the extra-Christian principles that make Michael's Christianity beneficial, and I suspect they would be as beneficial, perhaps moreso, without being filtered by Christian interpretation. Michael paints a picture of ""standard American atheism"" as the rejection of the evil in many conservative Christian interpretations of the Bible. But I think it is even more damaging to Christianity to note that the New Testament presents such a vague hodge-podge of notions about the nature of God and the nature of the good (except, of course, when it is ordered by an interpretation that relies on extraneous principles). Here, I think we should apply a Christian parable, where a cold drink can have its value and a hot drink can have its value, but the lukewarm we should spit out. Russell " 5867,18,"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 41 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower >>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. >> >> Yes. >> >>> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine >>> legality. >> >> Why not? > >Where do they get these people?! I really don't want to waste time in >here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! You asked a question, and now you don't want people to answer? I believe a legitimate question was asked. Why shouldn't cost and safety be used (at least in part) to determine legality? I'd like to see you *prove* that drug legalization is an idiotic idea. Seems to me the evidence from Great Britain is pretty convincing that drug legalization is a good idea. Even such a noted conservative as William F. Buckley supports it. > >My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just >because it will be safer and cheaper. > >A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all >funny farm patients, AIDS ""victims"", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - >this would surely make my taxes decrease. Your examples (except for prostitution) fail miserably to meet both criteria (safer AND cheaper). Obviously, killing people is not ""safe"". As for prostitution, why shouldn't it be legal? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5868,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >Nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined. Other poisonous >gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there >is no use not related to weaponry. Licenses should be available for >research purposes on such chemicals. >I am not a lawyer, but these ideas could certainly be a basis for >definitions. I hope you realize how trivial it is to manufacture these compounds. Given about $10k in lab equipment and chemicals (which are commercially available) and given the knowledge that I have (graduating BS, Ch, 1993) I could synthesize enough of these compounds to make a serious dent in the population of several major US cities. As also noted, the knowledge is there for the production of nuclear weapons. It's not even that restricted. The only thing is the expense. Now I'm not going around making these things, but it's not 'cause of any law; I simply don't get any marginal benefit out of killing anyone. Any law you enact in this respect is only going to give you the ability to add a charge against someone who does make and use said weapons. In the case of chemical agents, I seriously doubt that you would even know that someone had set up a lab until after the weapons had been used. Part of the trouble with the chemical-weapons ban treaty between the US and the USSR is that many of the precursors to chemical weapons such as GB and Sarin, etc., is that they have very valid commercial uses, and it is very easy to divert those precursors to chemical weapons manufacture without anyone knowing about it. >>< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > >>< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > >-- >doug foxvog >douglas.foxvog@vtt.fi aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 5869,9,"From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 17 In ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes: >In <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: >>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION >>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE ""MAGIC"" >Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of >nine players each. Let's keep it that way. Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb argument. -- David M. Nieporent | ""Only one thing wrong with theory... niepornt@phoenix. | Is stupid! Is stupidest theory I ever heard!"" princeton.edu | --------------------- Baltimore Orioles 93 | Who's the dangerous cult -- the BDs or the BATF? " 5870,19,"From: critus@cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael J. Abboud) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha When we speak of the Bible and its apparant contradictions, we would do well to remember the context in If we are to accept this line of reason, remembering that it does not As my study of the Christian Religion has progressed over the years, I have It matters little to me, as a concession in either serves my purpose Distribution: usa Lines: 6 critus " 5871,16,"From: tmh@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd M. Helfter) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 172 >Does anyone have any idea about the size of Waco? I'm just curious because >if it were a small town that may have something to do with it. Possibly not. >It sure didn't take it very long to burn down though. I was watching ABC and >it only took like a little over 30 minutes to burn down. Waco is a city of about 100,000 people. The population temporarily raised to about 102,000 people when all the feds, and state police officers arrived. I tell you what, I stayed in a hotel room about 4 miles from the BD compound around 3 weeks ago. I have never felt more paranoid in my whole life. There were at least 100 state police in the hotel. > >>The claim ""we had the water turned off, so the fire engines had to bring >>their own"" doesn't hold up: If they had cut off the water, they surely >>could have turned it back on just as quickly. They just didn't want to: >>There were some scores to settle. Message to anybody else is very clear: >>""DON'T FUCK WITH US. WE WILL DO YOU IN..."" >> >Not that I am one to believe that everything that the government tells us is >true but if that was the message they wanted to send why did they wait 51 days? >I think the message would be better sent by charging in there right away - not >waiting for 51 days and pounding them with sound, etc. > >>A bunch of dead BD members are not going to be so able to tell their >>side of the story, so now all we have is the story according to the BATF >>and FBI. Also, Mr ""care about the rights of people"" Clinton, or his >>administration approved this action (FBI said 'Washington had approved >>it'). They FBI said the gas masks used by the BDs have a finite life, >>and were close to running out. WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST WAITED? > >Well, there are 9 people supposedly alive. They can tell their story. As far >as Bill Clinton is concerned don't you think he has more pressing matters to >attend to besides some small group of people in Texas? How about Bosnia? Now >there's a problem...... Why couldn't they have waited? They waited too long >as it is. Something should have been done earlier. > >> >>They gov is trying to say it was a mass suicide. In the past they had >>expressed this was a real possibility, but now they decided it wasn't >>a possibility so they could go on with the raid. Apparantly what they >>feel Korash was or was not capable of or going to do was driven by >>what was most convenient at the time... >> >>Now this means that: >> >>1: The public and media will forget about all this - having become weary of >>it. > >This has already happened for many people. > >>2: There will be no investigation (independent or otherwise) or a whitewash. > >Very much a possibility. > >>3: There will be no unsealing of the warrant and related documents. >>4: What anybody will know about this incident will be the BATF version. > >With the way our government is I wouldn't doubt it. > >>5: The BATF has just been given Carte Blanche for further abuses, with >> the effective support and approval of the Administration. > >Clinton said on the news that he knew about what was happening but that it was >all in the hands of the FBI. That is if you choose to believe the media. > >>6: There WILL BE more abuses, with no concern of Administration censure. >>7: The precident has been established that the Feds can kill in quantity >> to achieve their aims. Especially if the target is excercising their >> rights under the Second Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights, >> and is a government-declared un-nice fellow. > >If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why >shouldn't they have done something? What possible use would a religious cult >have for a rocket launcher? Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of >Rights? > >> : LLs and CLAMs will be pleased. Dung Tsow Ping(sp) will be pleased. >> Saddam Hussein(sp) will be pleased. Idi Amin would be pleased. Stalin >> would be pleased. Even Hitler would be pleased. Any self-respecting >> despot would nod and say ""Well Done, Bill Clinton!!"" >> >Well, then there are probably a lot of self-respecting despots in the US cause >I'm sure they feel the same way. > >>God Bless America - Land of the Free!!! (past tense). >> >>Well, maybe I AM overreacting. But I see on the TV as I am typing where > >Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of questions that should be raised about >this incident. The problem is, who will do it and be heard? > >>govt spoksewoman (the new attorney general, known to be almost rabid >>about private ownership of guns - wants to ban 'assault guns' and just >>about everything else), is saying the FBI had ""amazing restraint"", then >>falls back into the official goverenment line about how the BD were >>guity of child abuse, and were into it in an on-going basis, and so on. >>Note that according to the Liberal Elite, giving a child a spanking is >>regarded as child abuse (seriously - if it gets known, the STATE can >>take your child away from you if you spank your kid). She also is saying > >Which state is that? The federal government or an individual state government >? > >>CLINTON PERSONALLY APPROVED THIS OPERATION - she ""told him it was >>appropriate and so on, and he SAID OK, DO IT"". Somehow, I am not >>surprised - the people MUST KNOW WHO IS BOSS - WHO IS IN CHARGE!!! >>And it is obviouly no longer the people. >> >It seems to me that the people haven't been in charge for a long time. If they >really were I don't think the government would be doing as many things as it >has in the past. > >>And I maintain the appropriate response, as far as this raid by BATF is >>concerned, regarding child abuse is ""so what?"". BATF are not our Child >>Protective Services Police. Yet. After all the BD had been TRIED on >>that charge before and found NOT GUILTY. The gov't people have pretty >>much gone silent on the terrible illegal guns BD supposedly has, and >>stress the ""continued child abuse"" (apparantly to make it a seem as sort >>of a 'rescue' operation, figuring everyone hates child abusers, and >>anything is OK to use against them). Occasional references to ammunition >>possesed by the BDs and so on is irrelevant: it is NOT ILLEGAL to have >>ammunition (yet). >> >True but is it illegal to have a rocket launcher? > >>Am I having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this >>thing? Or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug, and Business >>as Usual will continue to be the Order of the Day in the New Order? >>Who will be given the official title of ""Thought Police"", I wonder...? >> >>And if Clinton and friends have their way, (highly likely at this point) >>the New Order Government will also have all the guns... So what if >>""1984"" is going to be ten years late... I think we are going to discover >>that we will be paying DEARLY for putting this fellow in office for decades >>to come. Even some die-hard supporters are having serious doubts about >>their Savior. >> >Shit, if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant problem. >Clinton has only been in office for a few months. Give him a chance to get >something done. The guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning. >Give him a chance to work on things a little. As they say - Rome wasn't built >in a day. > >>Yes, I am UPSET. I see NO GOOD as far as civil/individual rights to >>come of any of his proposals/decisions for the last month or so... >>We have really been HAD. Or Bill of Rights is now nothing but a quaint >>curiosity. >> >I highly doubt that it is that bad yet. How about the Rodney King trial? The >two people who were most responsible got the axe. How bad the axe falls tho >is yet to be seen. > >>Anybody for impeachment? >> >Nope. I would prefer to give Bill a little more than four or five months to >solve the nations problems. >>-- >>pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA >> If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat >>WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, >> and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien > >Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu " 5872,7,"From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 31 (I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark) > > This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time. > The ""breeding"" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best > extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have > the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary > anywhere a threat is imminent. > > My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back. > The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before > having trashed the car. > > On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel > for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my > car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant > walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. > Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. > > Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! > I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. We can all ask ""what's happening to society these days"", but don't forget to ask another important question too: What effort am I expending to make it any different than it is? Just my thoughts, Joe Karolchik " 5873,17,"From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Mash Javad) Subject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1026 Organization: Labaniyati-ye-Sar-e-Koocheh Lines: 40 In article farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes: > >From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 >-------------------------- > > >o Dr. Namaki, deputy minister of health stated that infant > mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120 > per thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at > the end of 1371 (last month). Dr. cheghadr bA namakand! They just wait until they are teenagers to kill them! > >o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only > 254f children received vaccinations to protect them > from various deseases but this figure reached 93at > the end of 1371. huh? >o During the visit of Mahathir Mohammad, the prime minister > of Malaysia, to Iran, agreements for cooperation in the > areas of industry, trade, education and tourism were > signed. According to one agreement, Iran will be in > charge of building Malaysia's natural gas network. Yup. IRI also granted a great deal of reconstruction of houses and buildings in war torn areas to Malaysia. Khak too sareshoon, one of the only industries we really have is construction, and there are all these unemployed youth, and they give money to Malaysia to do what Iranians can and should be doing. > > - Farzin Mokhtarian Mash Javad " 5874,14,"From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion...) Lines: 48 nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu, University of Alaska Fairbanks writes: [A GOOD DEAL OF HEALTHY IF NOT DEEPLY THOUGHT OUT IDEALISM DELETED BELOW.] >Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? >[...] Can the truly inforce it? [...] If their parent company does business (and they will) on the face of the Earth then they are vulnerable to govt. sanctions. Yes they can be stopped. >If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will >stop you from doing it. [...] For the first 100 - 500 (IMHO) years nobody will have to. The colonists will be too dependent on Earth too pull it off. Eventually they will, history shows us that. >Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it. >The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will >not care [...] What exactly do you mean here? Terrorism? Start an international incident so your dream can come true? Crack a few eggs to make the omelet? This sounds fairly irresponsible. >Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a >little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to >piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born >in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea.. Again, the tie that binds will be much stronger for space colonists than any immigrants that have gone before. Even those intrepid Asian explorers that crossed the Bering land bridge did not have to carry their air on their backs. == >Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Keep the dream alive, maybe dream it a little more cogently. Tom Freebairn | There once was a man | Who built a boat | To sail away in. | It sank. | J.P. Donleavy _Fairy Tale of New York_ (maybe?) " 5875,14,"From: globus@nas.nasa.gov (Al Globus) Subject: Space Colony Size Preferences Summary Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center Reply-To: globus@nas.nasa.gov Distribution: sci.space Lines: 92 Some time ago I sent the following message: Every once in a while I design an orbital space colony. I'm gearing up to do another one. I'd some info from you. If you were to move onto a space colony to live permanently, how big would the colony have to be for you to view a permanent move as desirable? Specifically, How many people do you want to share the colony with? What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? Assume 1g living (the colony will rotate). Assume that you can leave from time to time for vacations and business trips. If you're young enough, assume that you'll raise your children there. I didn't get a lot of responses, and they were all over the block. Thanx muchly to all those who responded, it is good food for thought. Here's the (edited) responses I got: How many people do you want to share the colony with? 100 What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? Cylinder 200m diameter x 1 km long Rui Sousa ruca@saber-si.pt ============================================================================= > How many people do you want to share the colony with? 100,000 - 250,000 > What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? 100 square kms surface, divided into city, towns, villages and countryside. Must have lakes, rivers amd mountains. ============================================================================= > How many 1000. 1000 people really isn't that large a number; everyone will know everyone else within the space of a year, and will probably be sick of everyone else within another year. >What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? Hm. I am not all that great at figuring it out. But I would maximize the percentage of colony-space that is accessible to humans. Esecially if there were to be children, since they will figure out how to go everywhere anyways. And everyone, especially me, likes to ""go exploring""...I would want to be able to go for a walk and see something different each time... ============================================================================= For population, I think I would want a substantial town -- big enough to have strangers in it. This helps get away from the small-town ""everybody knows everything"" syndrome, which some people like but I don't. Call it several thousand people. For physical dimensions, a somewhat similar criterion: big enough to contain surprises, at least until you spent considerable time getting to know it. As a more specific rule of thumb, big enough for there to be places at least an hour away on foot. Call that 5km, which means a 10km circumference if we're talking a sphere. Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ============================================================================= My desires, for permanent move to a space colony, assuming easy communication and travel: Size: About a small-town size, say 9 sq. km. 'Course, bigger is better :-) Population: about 100/sq km or less. So, ~1000 for 9sqkm. Less is better for elbow room, more for interest and sanity, so say max 3000, min 300. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams | 517-355-2178 (work) \\ Inhale to the Chief! 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu | 336-9591 (hm)\\ Zonker Harris in 1996! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5876,16,"From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) Subject: Blast them next time Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours. With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later. " 5877,12,"From: depolo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeff Depolo) Subject: Need manual for HP 1740 scope Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu I have a HP 1740 scope that (I think) has a problem in the HV section. Symptom: started turning on and off on its own, making intermittant bright flashes on the CRT, and then finally, passed away. If you have a manual (or any suggestions), please send me mail. Will gladly pay reproduction/shipping costs plus a little $ for your efforts for the manual. Thanks in advance. --- Jeff -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff DePolo WN3A Twisted Pair: (215) 337-7383H 387-3059W depolo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu RF: 443.800+ MHz 442.700+ MHz 24.150 GHz University of Pennsylvania " 5878,11,"From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) Subject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net In article <1993Apr16.204207.24564@eff.org> Danny Weitzner writes: >The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom >hold 40-bits of each key. I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the 80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately (having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1 sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences). (Or is it a conspiracy? 1/2 :-) --vadim " 5879,13,"From: pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: Actrix Networks Lines: 21 > In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > > > >Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an > >overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most > >people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the > >other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? I have a long sighted eye and a short sighted eye. My right eye tends to cut out when I look at distant things, my left eye when I am close up. I had specs to balance things up a bit but could do without them. I thought that, one way or another, I would always be able to see clearly. Unfortunately middle age is rearing its ugly head and I can no longer see close up objects clearly. Maybe it's just that my arms are getting shorter :-) -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The floggings will continue until morale improves pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: " 5880,17,"Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism From: amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU><2BD9C01D.11546@news.service.uci.edu> <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Inst. of Comp. Sci., Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel NNTP-Posting-Host: shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il In-reply-to: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 25 Apr 1993 05:26:48 GMT Lines: 14 cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: The Israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? --Amos -- --Amos Shapira (Jumper Extraordinaire) | ""It is true that power corrupts, C.S. System Group, Hebrew University, | but absolute power is better!"" Jerusalem 91904, ISRAEL | amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | -- the Demon to his son " 5881,0,"From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions Summary: Please read this file before posting to alt.atheism Keywords: FAQ, atheism Expires: Fri, 14 May 1993 09:39:55 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930315114603@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 733 Archive-name: atheism/faq Alt-atheism-archive-name: faq Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.1 Alt.Atheism Frequently-Asked Questions This file contains responses to articles which occur repeatedly in alt.atheism. Points covered here are ones which are not covered in the ""Introduction to Atheism""; you are advised to read that article as well before posting. These answers are not intended to be exhaustive or definitive. The purpose of the periodic FAQ postings is not to stifle debate, but to raise its level. If you have something to say concerning one of these questions and which isn't covered by the answer given, please feel free to make your point. Overview of contents: ""What is the purpose of this newsgroup?"" ""Hitler was an atheist!"" ""The Bible proves it"" ""Pascal's Wager"" ""What is Occam's Razor?"" ""Why it's good to believe in Jesus"" ""Why I know that God exists"" ""Einstein and ""God does not play dice"""" ""Everyone worships something"" ""Why there must be a causeless cause"" ""The universe is so complex it must have been designed"" ""Independent evidence that the Bible is true"" ""Godel's Incompleteness Theorem"" ""George Bush on atheism and patriotism"" ""I know where hell is!"" ""Biblical contradictions wanted"" ""The USA is a Christian nation"" ""The USA is not a Christian nation"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: What is the purpose of this newsgroup? Typical posting: Why have a newsgroup about atheism? Why do atheists organize in groups? What is there to discuss? Response: Many things are discussed here, including: * Whether it is reasonable to feign theism in order to avoid upsetting one's family * Prayer in schools * Discrimination against atheists * Sunday trading laws * The Satanic Child Abuse myth * Whether one should be an overt atheist or 'stay in the closet' * How religious societies prey (sic) on new college students * How to get rid of unwanted proselytizers * Whether religion is a danger to society and/or the individual * Why people become atheists Of course, inevitably alt.atheism tends to attract evangelical Christians looking for someone to convert. Most readers of the newsgroup don't want to be preached to, although a few seem to derive perverse pleasure from tearing apart particularly ill-considered or uninformed postings. ------------------------------ Subject: Hitler was an atheist! Typical posting: Hitler was an atheist, and look at what he did! Response: Adolf Hitler was emphatically not an atheist. As he said himself: The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making _people_stop_just_talking_ superficially_of_God's_will,_and_actually_fulfill_God's_will,_and_ not_let_God's_word_be_desecrated._[orig. ital.] For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other. [...] Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: _by_defending_myself_against_the_Jew,_I_am_ fighting_for_the_work_of_the_Lord._[orig. ital.] -- Adolf Hitler, from ""Mein Kampf"", trans. Ralph Mannheim. Of course, someone bad believing something does not make that belief wrong. It's also entirely possible that Hitler was lying when he claimed to believe in God. We certainly can't conclude that he's an atheist, though. ------------------------------ Subject: The Bible proves it Typical posting: In the Bible it says that... Response: Most of the readers of alt.atheism feel that the Bible is of questionable accuracy, as it was written thousands of years ago by many authors who were recording oral tradition that existed many years before. Thus, any claimed 'truth' in it is of questionable legitimacy. This isn't to say that The Bible has no truth in it; simply that any truth must be examined before being accepted. Many of the readers of this group also feel that because any passage is subject to ""interpretation"", any claim that a passage 'means' one thing and one thing only is not legitimate. Note that this feeling tends to extend to other books. It is also remarkable to many atheists that theists tend to ignore other equally plausible religious books in favour of those of their own religion. ------------------------------ Subject: Pascal's Wager Typical posting: If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist. Response: This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws. Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are many mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often described as the ""avoiding the wrong hell"" problem. If a person is a follower of religion X, he may end up in religion Y's version of hell. Secondly, the statement that ""If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing"" is not true. Suppose you're believing in the wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. Consider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in favour of prayer. Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that the two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God is close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the argument is only likely to convince those who believe already. Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or cost-benefit analysis. Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements: 1. One does not know whether God exists. 2. Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does exist. 3. Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist. 4. Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God. There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view 1 as an assumption, and 2 as a consequence of it. One problem with this approach, in the abstract, is that it creates information from no information. This is considered invalid in information theory. Statement 1 indicates one has no information about God -- but statement 2 indicates that beneficial information can be gained from the absolute lack of information about God. This violates information entropy -- information has been extracted from no information, at no ""cost"". The alternative approach is to claim that 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The problem with this is that 2 is then basically an assumption which states the Christian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The argument thus collapses to ""If you are a Christian, it is in your interests to believe in God"" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal intended the argument to be viewed. The biggest reason why Pascal's wager is a failure is that if God is omniscient he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as a wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all whether people believe in him. ------------------------------ Subject: What is Occam's Razor? Typical posting: People keep talking about Occam's Razor. What is it? Response: William of Occam formulated a principle which has become known as Occam's Razor. In its original form, it said ""Do not multiply entities unnecessarily."" That is, if you can explain something without supposing the existence of some entity, then do so. Nowadays when people refer to Occam's Razor, they generally express it more generally, for example as ""Take the simplest solution"". The relevance to atheism is that we can look at two possible explanations for what we see around us: 1. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, which came into being as a result of natural processes. 2. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, and there is also a God who created the universe. Clearly this God must be of non-zero complexity. Given that both explanations fit the facts, Occam's Razor might suggest that we should take the simpler of the two -- solution number one. Unfortunately, some argue that there is a third even more simple solution: 3. There isn't an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there. We just imagine that there is. This third option leads us logically towards solipsism, which many people find unacceptable. ------------------------------ Subject: Why it's good to believe in Jesus Typical posting: I want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion. Response: Preaching is not appreciated. Feel free to talk about your religion, but please do not write postings that are on a ""conversion"" theme. Such postings do not belong on alt.atheism and will be rejected from alt.atheism.moderated (try the newsgroup talk.religion.misc). You would doubtless not welcome postings from atheists to your favourite newsgroup in an attempt to convert you; please do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Often theists make their basic claims about God in the form of lengthy analogies or parables. Be aware that atheists have heard of God and know the basic claims about him; if the sole purpose of your parable is to tell atheists that God exists and brings salvation, you may as well not post it, since it tells us nothing we have not been told before. ------------------------------ Subject: Why I know that God exists Typical posting: I *know* from personal experience and prayer that God exists. Response: Just as many theists have personal evidence that the being they worship exists, so many atheists have personal evidence that such beings do not exist. That evidence varies from person to person. Furthermore, without wishing to dismiss your evidence out of hand, many people have claimed all kinds of unlikely things -- that they have been abducted by UFOs, visited by the ghost of Elvis, and so on. ------------------------------ Subject: Einstein and ""God does not play dice"" Typical posting: Albert Einstein believed in God. Do you think you're cleverer than him? Response: Einstein did once comment that ""God does not play dice [with the universe]"". This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's refusal to accept the uncertainties indicated by quantum theory. Furthermore, Einstein's religious background was Jewish rather than Christian. A better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following: ""I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."" Einstein was unable to accept Quantum Theory because of his belief in an objective, orderly reality; a reality which would not be subject to random events and which would not be dependent upon the observer. He believed that QM was incomplete, and that a better theory would have no need for statistical interpretations. So far no such better theory has been found, and much evidence suggests that it never will be. A longer quote from Einstein appears in ""Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A Symposium"", published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion in Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941. In it he says: ""The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be *refuted* [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task..."" Einstein has also said: ""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religous convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."" The latter quote is from ""Albert Einstein: The Human Side"", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. Also from the same book: ""I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."" Of course, the fact that Einstein chose not to believe in Christianity does not in itself imply that Christianity is false. ------------------------------ Subject: Everyone worships something Typical posting: Everyone worships something, whether it's money, power or God. Response: If that is true, everyone is a polytheist. Theists care just as much about those things that atheists care about. If the atheists' reactions to (for example) their families amount to worship then so do the theists'. ------------------------------ Subject: Why there must be a causeless cause Typical posting: Sets of integers that have a lower bound each have a smallest member, so chains of causes must all have a first element, a causeless cause. Response: The set of real numbers greater than zero has a definite lower bound, but has no smallest member. Further, even if it is true that there must be a causeless cause, that does not imply that that cause must be a conscious supernatural entity, and especially not that any such entity must match the description favoured by any particular religion. ------------------------------ Subject: The universe is so complex it must have been designed Typical posting: The presence of design in the universe proves there is a God. Surely you don't think all this appeared here just by chance? Response: This is known as the Argument From Design. It is a matter of dispute whether there is any element of design in the universe. Those who believe that the complexity and diversity of living creatures on the earth is evidence of a creator are best advised to read the newsgroup talk.origins for a while. There is insufficient space to summarize both sides of that debate here. However, the conclusion is that there is no scientific evidence in favour of so-called Scientific Creationism. Furthermore, there is much evidence, observation and theory that can explain many of the complexities of the universe and life on earth. The origin of the Argument by Design is a feeling that the existence of something as incredibly intricate as, say, a human is so improbable that surely it can't have come about by chance; that surely there must be some external intelligence directing things so that humans come from the chaos deliberately. But if human intelligence is so improbable, surely the existence of a mind capable of fashioning an entire universe complete with conscious beings must be immeasurably more unlikely? The approach used to argue in favour of the existence of a creator can be turned around and applied to the Creationist position. This leads us to the familiar theme of ""If a creator created the universe, what created the creator?"", but with the addition of spiralling improbability. The only way out is to declare that the creator was not created and just ""is"" (or ""was""). From here we might as well ask what is wrong with saying that the universe just ""is"" without introducing a creator? Indeed Stephen Hawking, in his book ""A Brief History of Time"", explains his theory that the universe is closed and finite in extent, with no beginning or end. The Argument From Design is often stated by analogy, in the so-called Watchmaker Argument. One is asked to imagine that one has found a watch on the beach. Does one assume that it was created by a watchmaker, or that it evolved naturally? Of course one assumes a watchmaker. Yet like the watch, the universe is intricate and complex; so, the argument goes, the universe too must have a creator. The Watchmaker analogy suffers from three particular flaws, over and above those common to all Arguments By Design. Firstly, a watchmaker creates watches from pre-existing materials, whereas God is claimed to have created the universe from nothing. These two sorts of creation are clearly fundamentally different, and the analogy is therefore rather weak. Secondly, a watchmaker makes watches, but there are many other things in the world. If we walked further along the beach and found a nuclear reactor, we wouldn't assume it was created by the watchmaker. The argument would therefore suggest a multitude of creators, each responsible for a different part of creation. Finally, in the first part of the watchmaker argument we conclude that the watch is not part of nature because it is ordered, and therefore stands out from the randomness of nature. Yet in the second part of the argument, we start from the position that the universe is obviously not random, but shows elements of order. The Watchmaker argument is thus internally inconsistent. ------------------------------ Subject: Independent evidence that the Bible is true Typical posting: The events of the New Testament are confirmed by independent documentary evidence. For example... Response: The writings of Josephus are often mentioned as independent documentary evidence. Early versions of Josephus's work are thought not to have mentioned Jesus or James; the extant version discusses John in a non-Christian context. Many scholars believe that the original mentioned Jesus and James in passing, but that this was expanded by Christian copyists. Several ""reconstructions"" of the original text have been published to this effect. Much information appears in the Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius (about 320 C.E.). It is worthless as historical material because of the deliberate falsification of the wily Eusebius who is generally acknowledged as 'the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity.' It is Eusebius who is generally given the title of authorship for this material. Aside from the New Testament, the biographical information about Jesus is more well-documented. For further information, please consult the Frequently Asked Questions file for the newsgroup soc.religion.christian. ------------------------------ Subject: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem Typical posting: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible for the Bible to be both true and complete. Response: Godel's First Incompleteness Theorem says that in any consistent formal system which is sufficiently expressive that it can model ordinary arithmetic, one can formulate expressions which can never be proven to be valid or invalid ('true' or 'false') within that formal system. (Technically speaking, the system must also be recursive; that is, there must be a decision procedure for determining whether a given string is an axiom within the formal system.) Essentially, all such systems can formulate what is known as a ""Liar Paradox."" The classic Liar Paradox sentence in ordinary English is ""This sentence is false."" Note that if a proposition is undecidable, the formal system cannot even deduce that it is undecidable. The logic used in theological discussions is rarely well defined, so claims that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible to prove or disprove) the existence of God are worthless in isolation. One can trivially define a formal system in which it is possible to prove the existence of God, simply by having the existence of God stated as an axiom. This is unlikely to be viewed by atheists as a convincing proof, however. It may be possible to succeed in producing a formal system built on axioms that both atheists and theists agree with. It may then be possible to show that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem holds for that system. However, that would still not demonstrate that it is impossible to prove that God exists within the system. Furthermore, it certainly wouldn't tell us anything about whether it is possible to prove the existence of God generally. Note also that all of these hypothetical formal systems tell us nothing about the actual existence of God; the formal systems are just abstractions. Another frequent claim is that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that a religious text (the Bible, the Book of Mormon or whatever) cannot be both consistent and universally applicable. Religious texts are not formal systems, so such claims are nonsense. ------------------------------ Subject: George Bush on atheism and patriotism Typical posting: Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens? Response: The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I. Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of the press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce federal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the presidential primary: RS: ""What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"" GB: ""I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me."" RS: ""Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?"" GB: ""No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."" RS: ""Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?"" GB: ""Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists."" UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were still angry over the remarks. The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27, 1989. It can also be found in ""Free Enquiry"" magazine, Fall 1988 issue, Volume 8, Number 4, page 16. On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane, cochairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as ""one nation under God"" (Bush's phrase). The following conversation took place: RS: ""American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday. Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"" EM: ""It's bullshit."" RS: ""What is bullshit?"" EM: ""Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."" RS: ""Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush campaign is on this issue."" EM: ""You're welcome."" After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract his statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the President, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by his original statement, and wrote: ""As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government."" For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American Atheist Press's Cameron Road address. ------------------------------ Subject: I know where hell is! Typical posting: I know where Hell is! Hell is in Norway! Response: There are several towns called ""Hell"" in various countries around the world, including Norway and the USA. Whilst this information is mildly amusing the first time one hears it, readers of alt.atheism are now getting pretty fed up with hearing it every week. ------------------------------ Subject: Biblical contradictions wanted Typical posting: Does anyone have a list of Biblical contradictions? Response: American Atheist Press publish an atheist's handbook detailing Biblical contradictions. See the accompanying posting on Atheist Resources for details. There is a file containing some Biblical contradictions available from the archive-server@mantis.co.uk. See the contacts file for more information. ------------------------------ Subject: The USA is a Christian nation Typical posting: Because of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers, shouldn't the United States be considered a Christian nation? Response: Based upon the writings of several important founding fathers, it is clear that they never intended the US to be a Christian nation. Here are some quotes; there are many more. ""What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."" - James Madison, ""A Memorial and Remonstrance"", 1785 ""I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"" - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson ""History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."" - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 ""I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."" - Benjamin Franklin, from ""Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion"", Nov. 20, 1728 ------------------------------ Subject: The USA is not a Christian nation Typical posting: Is it true that George Washington said that the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion? Response: No. The quotation often given is in fact from Article XI of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli (8 Stat 154, Treaty Series 358): Article 11 As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, -- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. The text may be found in the Congressional Record or in treaty collections such as Charles Bevans' ""Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949"", vol. 11 (pp. 1070-1080). The English text of the Treaty of Tripoli was approved by the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and ratified by President John Adams on June 10, 1797. It was recently discovered that the Arabic version of the treaty not only lacks the quotation, it lacks Article XI altogether. The person who translated the Arabic to English was Joel Barlow, Consul General at Algiers, a close friend of Thomas Paine -- and an opponent of Christianity. It is possible that Barlow made up Article XI, but since there is no Arabic version of that article to be found, it's hard to say. In 1806 a new Treaty of Tripoli was ratified which no longer contained the quotation. End of FAQ Digest ***************** ÿ " 5882,12,"From: timd@fenian.dell.com (Tim Deagan) Subject: Homebuilt PAL (EPLD) programer? Nntp-Posting-Host: fenian.dell.com Reply-To: timd@fenian.dell.com Organization: SLAMDANZ CYBRNETX Lines: 13 Anyone know a reasonable circuit for programming PALs? I am interested in programming a wide range of EPLDs but would be happy with something that could handle a 22V10 or thereabouts. Thanks in advance, --Tim --- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ timd@fenian.dell.com }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Rev. Tim Deagan - Official Obnoxious Poster No one but me is responsible for anything I write, believe in or preach * ""It is difficult to free fools from chains they revere."" - Voltaire * " 5883,9,"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Lines: 18 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. > Oh... I forgot... Art Shamsky, former Red and Mets player. Batted .301 between injuries in 1969 (fell short of qualifying for Top 10 because of injuries and platoon with Ron Swoboda; no Swobo wasn't Jewish). -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com < geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <3794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes: >> >>In many European countries Homepathy is accepted as a method of curing >>(or at least alleiating) many conditions to which modern medicine has >>no answer. In most of these countries insurance pays for the >>treatments. >> > >Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people >in every country who waste time and money on quackery. >In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. >What are ""most of these countries?"" I don't believe you. > > When were you in Britain?, my information is different. From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. From Page 10, .. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, homeopathy was included as an officially approved method of treatment. " 5885,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu says: Ah I love posts like this. Many people have already replied to this one as I knew they would. I'm not going to say much as this just seems like baiting to me. Someone decided to post to see how many people would get mad and reply. I am just going to ignore it but I do have one thing to say. See below. > >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Listen buddy, if you're going to quote Star Trek get the quote right. It was ""Resistance is futile"". Get it right the next time :-) Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu > " 5886,6,"From: shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) Subject: MS C/C++ BOOK ** FORSALE ** Nntp-Posting-Host: sofba2 Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc. Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA Lines: 12 Regards, Steve. /******************************************************************* * Steve Shapiro * All views and opinions expressed * * SKS Computer Consulting, Inc. * are my own and are offered as-is * ******************************************************************** * Steve.Shapiro@f440.n101.z1.fidonet.org BBS: (508) 664-6354 N81 * *******************************************************************/ " 5887,7,"From: andrei@namao.uucp (Andrei Chichak) Subject: Re: Bimmer vs Beamer Nntp-Posting-Host: namao.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Mark Monninger (markm@latium.) wrote: > Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the > record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please, > let's get our terms straight. > > Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round > tail light 2002 or 1600. > > Mark Back when I was building round tail light 2002s they were Bimmers. It was only when the (red suspendered, Reganomics generated, quiche eating) Yuppies got into the market >-( that they became Beamers and the hood ornaments started disappering. Andrei " 5888,9,"From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) Subject: Question about Candlestick Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where Section 15 in the lower level is located. Please e-mail the response, Thanks, Rich -- ""You've read the hat, now see the movie."" -Imus in the morning ""A blurb? You're a blurb!"" -Seinfeld " 5889,3,"From: etobkkc@etn.ericsson.se (Karlsen Bjorn) Subject: Re: How is a Loopback connector made? In-Reply-To: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 17:26:28 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: aliboats.etn.ericsson.se Reply-To: etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson AS Lines: 27 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca writes: >I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial >port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the >serial port. > >Thanks for any help. From a recent BYTE magazine i got the following: [Question and part of the answer deleted] If you are handy with a soldering iron, the loopback plugs are easy to make. On a serial RS-232 nine-pin port, use a female DB-9 connector and connect pins 1 to 7 to 8; 2 to 3; and 4 to 6 to 9. For serial RS-232 25-pin ports, you'll need a female DB-25 connector with pins 1 to 7; 2 to 3; 4 to 5 to 8; 6 to 11 to 20 to 22; 15 to 17 to 23; and 18 to 25 connected. To test a Centronics 25-pin parallel port, you'll need to connect pins 1 to 13; 2 to 15; 10 to 16; 11 to 17; and 12 to 14 in a male DB-25 connector. -Stan Wszola --- I haven't tried it. Use at own risk. -KKC- etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se " 5890,12,"From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes) Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale:was $200, sell for $150 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Article 10886 of alt.radio.scanner: Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008 From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes) >Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Hello. I have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc ription: 60 programible chanels fully detailed backlighted digital display headphone jack antenna jack removable telescoping antenna auto search coverage: 30-50mHz 118-174mHz 380-512mHz It originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150. Thank You. -- / / Buchanan in `96! / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns. \ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou \/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu -- / / Buchanan in `96! / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns. \ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou \/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu " 5891,0,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Origins of the bible. Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr19.141112.15018@cs.nott.ac.uk>, eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) writes: > Hi, > > I have been having an argument about the origins of the bible lately with > a theist acquaintance. He stated that thousands of bibles were discovered > at a certain point in time which were syllable-perfect. This therefore > meant that there must have been one copy at a certain time; the time quoted > by my acquaintace was approximately 50 years after the death of Jesus. Hi Adda, Most Bible scholars agree that there was one copy of each book at a certain time -- the time when the author wrote it. Unfortunately, like all works from this time period and earlier, all that exists today are copies. > > Cutting all of the crap out of the way (ie god wrote it) could anyone answer > the following: > > 1. How old is the oldest surviving copy of the new testament? There are parts of books, scraps really, that date from around the mid second century (A.D. 130+). There are some complete books, letters, etc. from the middle third century. The first complete collection of the New Testament dates from the early 4th century (A.D. 325). Throughout this period are writings of various early church fathers/leaders who quoted various scriptures in their writings. > 2. Is there any truth in my acquaintance's statements? If you mean that someone discovered thousands of ""Bibles"" which were all perfect copies dating from the last part of the 1st century...No! If you mean that there are thousands of early manuscripts (within the dates given above, but not letter perfect) and that the most probable text can be reconstructed from these documents and that the earliest original autographs (now lost) probably were written starting sometime shortly after A.D. 50, then yes. > 3. From who/where did the bible originate? From the original authors. We call them Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James, and one other not identified. > 4. How long is a piece of string? ;-) As long as you make it. > > Adda > > -- Regards, Jim B. " 5892,7,"Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr8.095119.5367@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes: > >Oh yeah, I had a 1975 1275GT Mini, and even before I did anything >to it, it could leave an MGB standing anywhere except, perhaps, on a long straight >motorway run at 90+. > >People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar >and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional >brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything. Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today. Small fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars. -- Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz -- Fujitsu New Zealand -- Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor. ""If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..."" they said. " 5893,12,"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 47 Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: : : >Similarly, people usually use dB for dBm. Another common mistake is spelling : >``db'' instead of ``dB'' as you did in your article. See the ``B'' is for : >``Bell'' company, the mother of AT&T and should be capitalized. : : Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the : original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC! : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus : our use of the Ohms... I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. : : Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... Well you got one thing right! : : : : Actually, Bel refers : : > With highest regards, : > Babak Sehari. : : >-- : -- : Joseph Chiu | josephc@cco.caltech.edu ""OS/2: You gotta get this thing!"" : MSC 380 - Caltech | : Pasadena, CA 91126 | OS/2: The operating system of tomorrow, today. : +1 818 449 5457 | Greg Moffatt Bell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada ""My opinions; not BNR's"" " 5894,11,"From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk (""Paul L. Allen"") Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Reply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk Organization: Chaos Lines: 76 X-Newsreader: Archimedes ReadNews -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: > > From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) > > jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: > > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. > > Hey, it's better than the status quo. > > I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school > scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and > cordless phone calls. > > I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening > in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me > ""disappeared"" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what > sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who > have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me. > > As for ""its better than the status quo"", well, first of all, you can > get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work > well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building > software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and > they are all working in overdrive mode. > > And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at > least an incrememental improvement for certain applications... > > There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want > RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right. The point you all seem to have missed was covered when the UK cellphone scrambling system was discussed. Incidentally, my MP has responded to my questions on that issue, and it appears that the UK and other `approved' countries will get the secure A5 encryption, and `dodgy' countries will get A5X. Existing mobile equipment will drop to clear mode when used with A5X systems, but newer equipment will use A5/A5X/clear depending on the capabilities of the base station. The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users and fixed installations can talk to each other. For cellular to cellular calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another base-station and re-encrypted. The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's equipment. The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can listen without having to obtain a warrant. But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway). I have my doubts, but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want. `Well, Judge, it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop listening in'... You have every reason to be scared shitless. Take a look at the records of McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at sucking) and Nixon. - --Paul -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK9IAl2v14aSAK9PNAQEvxgQAoXrviAggvpVRDLWzCHbNQo6yHuNuj8my cvPx2zVkhHjzkfs5lUW6z63rRwejvHxegV79EX4xzsssWVUzbLvyQUkGS08SZ2Eq bLSuij9aFXalv5gJ4jB/hU40qvU6I7gKKrVgtLxEYpkvXFd+tFC4n9HovumvNRUc ve5ZY8988pY= =NOcG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- " 5895,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: About this 'Center for Policy Research'... Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu I have read numerous posts over a period of several months, by this anti-Israel fanatic, hiding in the shadow of the respectable sounding name of the 'Center for Policy Research.' Obviously, it is no research center of any kind, unless 'researching' published documents to find material to use against Israel makes it so. Labeling a propaganda mill a research center is not surprising in itself. That is simply part of the propaganda process. I was curious if anyone knew who this anti-Israel fanatic hiding behind his phoney 'research center' name is. Is he an Arab? Is he some typical anti-semite hiding behind a veneer of 'anti-zionism?' Is he some Jew who perhaps lived in Israel and just couldn't make it there, and is now taking his failure out on Israel? Let's shed some light on this clown once and for all. It will help put his nonsense in the proper perspective. And the readers of this group who are more interested in fact than in anti-Israel hyperbola can ignore this junk. " 5896,1,"From: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Toby Freeman,TJF,G151,3344813,OCT95, ) Subject: Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL Nntp-Posting-Host: speedwell Reply-To: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Computing Science, Glasgow University, Glasgow. Lines: 38 >Does anyone know of software that will allow >you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files >containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the >only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises. > >Jeff Lyall I used this combination for a while - A QCR-Z recorder, I think - and as far as I remember Corel can EXPORT in SCODAL (.scd) format. Just select 'EXPORT' on the main file menu. This may not be implemented in earlier versions, of course, in which case you're on your own!!! Also, I seem to think that the s/w for the QCR-Z (at the time) did strange (and very undesirable) things if ANY part of the pic was outside the screen area on Corel. I once spent an afternoon painfully discovering that ONE pixel had somehow strayed off-screen, causing my whole slide to be blank!!! The QCR-Z also couldn't handle grad-fill over grad-fill - so if you use a graduated colour background, if you then grad-fill an object on top of this, the fill appears on the final slide as a circle (I think) and TOTALLY IGNORES the shape of the object being filled!!! Of course, if the recorder isn't a QCR, you can ignore all this and feel suitably :-) Cheers, Toby. ____________________________________._.____._.__________._.__________._.______ ____________________________________! \__/ !__________!_!__________! !______ ___! !___! . \/ . !___.__.___._.___.___._.! !__.___ ___! Toby Freeman !___! !\ /! !__/ __ \__! !__/ .__!_!. .__!___ ___! Glasgow University !___! !_\/_! !_! !__! !_! !_! <__.___! !______ ___! freemant@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs !___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !__\___ \__! !______ ___!____________________________!___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !_.____> !_! !__.___ ____________________________________!_!____!_!__\____/__!_!_!_____/___\___!___ " 5897,12,"From: hanavin@huey.udel.edu (Chuck Hanavin) Subject: Re: HeathKit/Zenith Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 7 In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > >Does anyone out there have the toll-free (catalog request and order line) for >Heathkit/Zenith? Please post the number if you've got it! Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------- 1-800-253-0570 " 5898,14,"From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) Subject: Re: A WRENCH in the works? Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp. Lines: 15 nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) writes: >jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: >>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the >>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of >>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. >I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred >to the tool as ""...the PLIERS that took a ride into space..."". They also >said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind >during assembly of one SRB. I assume, then, that someone at Thiokol put on their ""manager's hat"" and said that pissing off the customer by delaying shipment of the SRB to look inside it was a bad idea, regardless of where that tool might have ended up. Why do I get the feeling that Thiokol ""manager's hats"" are shaped like cones? " 5899,13,"From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) Subject: Re: Anti-Viral Herbs Article-I.D.: news.C51o24.8A4 Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 38 kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) writes: >Unfortunately it was rather poorly researched, and would not be available >today if it were just invented. Keep in mind however that those were >the days when a bottle of Coca Cola really did contain coca extract and >a certain amount of active cocaine. Times have changed, and our attitudes >need to change with them. Well, yes. That was a part of my point. Aspirin has its problems, but in some situations it is useful. Ditto stuff like licorice root. Taking anything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea of taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted, additional effects. Taking any drug when the potential ill-effects are not known is a risk assumed by the parties involved, and it may be that in a given situation the risk is worthwhile. Like Prozac, for instance; Prozac has been shown to be theraputic in some cases where the tri-cyclics fail. But Prozac hasn't been in use that long, and it really isn't clear what if any effects it may have when taken over long periods of time, even though it has been tested by present day standards. Should Prozac be taken off the market because long-term effects, if any, are not known? IMHO, i'd say no. euclid >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >= Kenneth Gilbert | University of Pittsburgh = >= General Internal Medicine --*-- Pittsburgh, PA = >= kxgst1+@pitt.edu | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >= Kenneth Gilbert | University of Pittsburgh = >= General Internal Medicine --*-- Pittsburgh, PA = >= kxgst1+@pitt.edu | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = -- Euclid K. standard disclaimers apply ""It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no trace."" --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_) " 5900,5,"From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 29 In article ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >In article bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: >> >>I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for >>the border of a window or for the ""user"" window. Maybe other window managers >>have similar options. >>Another way to figure out the difference between the ""user"" window position >>and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their >>positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager >>decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only >>figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped >>this way. >> > Another way would be to use GetGeometry to find out where >you are relative to the frame, and TranslateCoordinates to find >out where your window's upperleft corner really is. As I've said before, there's no reliable way to find out the size of the window manager decoration. If your window has been reparented, you can't assume that the window you're parented to is the window that holds all of the window manager decoration. There may be several layers of windows. Doing multiple XQueryTree's until you get to the root will work in most cases, but there's no guarantee that the outside decoration window is parented to the root window of the display (tvtwm). -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM " 5901,7,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Internal leak in carburetor Lines: 9 Hi, My friend's 1983 Toyota Tercel accelerates by itself without using the gas peddel. The repairman said it has a internal leak of air in the carburetor and needs a new carburetor (costs $650). She likes to know if it is possible to fix the problem without replacing the whole carburetor. Thank you. " 5902,8,"From: santac@aix.rpi.edu (Christopher James Santarcangelo) Subject: FORSALE: 1982 Yamaha Seca 650 Turbo Keywords: forsale seca turbo Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 17 I don't want to do this, but I need money for school. This is a very snappy bike. It needs a little work and I don't have the money for it. Some details: ~19000 miles Mitsubishi turbo not asthetically beautiful, but very fast! One of the few factory turboed bikes... not a kit! Must see and ride to appreciate how fun this bike is! I am asking $700 or best offer. The bike can be seen in Bennington, Vermont. E-mail for more info! Thanks, Chris santac@rpi.edu " 5903,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 19 I've had my Fluke 8060A here at work for just over 10 years now. It is a wonderful meter. Several colleagues here have some of the newer Fluke meters, though I still would just as soon hang on to my 8060. The 8060 a is the 1980s digial ""analog"" to the Simpson 260 analog DMM of the 1950-1960s. There was/is (?) an 8060B that had extended frequency response. I've got a nifty little pen shaped meter made by Soar that I keep in my toolbox at home. I've had that for six or seven years now and only replaced the batteries a couple of timees; it is more than adequate for day-to-day hobby use. I think Soar OEMs their stuff for a number of vendors. Some of JDR Microdevices' stuff looks rather similar to Soar's. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 5904,15,"From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE) Subject: ONLINE BIBLE as bible study Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 33 Hello, I am about to embark on a bible study on ACTS. I have online bible software with me. I would like to know the the background of the authors of its various topics articles and about the author of the People's New Testament. I need to know how realible is the articles in the Online Bible software. Specifically (for your convenience) I want to know about the : 1. Darby Translation ( I have never heard of this one) 2. Young's Literal Translation (I have also never heard of) 3. The realiability of the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon 4. The authors (from which denomination etc) of the articles in the TOPICS modules. 5. The realiability of the Treasury of Scripture Knowlege ( as I have never heard of too) 6. Who are the commentators, Scofield and B.W. Johnson who wrote the Scofield Reference Bible and the People's New Testament respectively 7. The realiability of the Strong numbers. I will be most happy to receive a reply of any of you who knows about the above. Also, please 'qualify' yourself so that I may know that I am not receiving a 'rubbish' letter. I just want to make sure. Wilfred Ling -- *********************************************************************** *Name : Wilfred Ling Siew Wee | National University of S'pore * *Internet : eng10205@nusunix.nus.sg | Electrical Engineering * *Bitnet : eng10205@nusvm.bitnet | * *********************************************************************** " 5905,13,"From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) Subject: Re: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK? Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France) Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr16.063425.163999@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >I love the FAQ. > >The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining >correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is >this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well? I've had PRK. I would suggest asking a doctor about contacts. Mine said yes to contacts. I think the scars from RK would preclude contacts. >Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of >only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to >95%? Why such a difference? I thought the proceedures were simmilar >with the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in PRK. I must not >be understanding all of the differences. No. RK makes radial cuts around the circumference of the cornea, up to 8 I think, and these change the curvature of the cornea through stress chages. PRK vaporizes (burns) away a thin layer from the front of the cornea making the optical axis of the eye shorter. The laser doesn't cut in PRK, it vaporizes. In RK, the eye is cut into. >In the FAQ, the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than >with glasses alone. If this is completly attributable to the >intentional slight undercorrection, then it can be compensated for when >necessary with glasses (or contacts, if they CAN be worn afterall!). It >is important to know if that is not the case, however, and some other >consequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision. The >first thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense, which >glasses couldn't help. > >would not help. I find my vision is more clear for some things, and less clear for others, only at night. I notice a definite haloing at night in the darkness when I look at automobile headlamps, though this is not something I spend inordinate amounts of time doing. For ordinary things, my vision, in particular having a fully-operating peripheral vision, is clearer than with glasses, or contacts. -- | Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live | today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so. " 5906,8,"Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 19 In article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu>, ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) wrote: > > > In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says: > > Mike Terry asks: > > >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > > > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift > off the ground. This is true as evinced by the popularity of shaft-drive drag bikes. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. " 5907,1,"From: cgschot@cs.ruu.nl (Gerco Schot) Subject: Ray Tracing Pictures Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 23 For those who are interested in Ray Traced pictures, there is a nice example on alt.binaries.pictures.misc. The file is called Poolball.gif. It shows a pooltable with... YES! ... poolballs! Resolution: 1024x768, colours: 256 (only). The TGA (24 bit) version is also available, but a bit big (2.4Mb) to post. The picture is created with POV-ray. Enjoy! _Gerco_ __cgschot@cs.ruu.nl__ -- ___________________________________ / \ \___________________________________/ /_ Gerco Schot (cgschot@cs.ruu.nl) _\ " 5908,5,"From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage) Subject: X for PC Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu I have heard of two packages for the PC that support X-Win. The first is Linux which is a free Unix Package. The Second is X-Appeal, which sounds pretty good. It can be found at garbo.uwusa.fi in the ~ftp/pc/demo/ dir. The files are xap13exe.zip xap10fon.zip drivers.zip This should get you started. Josh. -- + Joshua Weage : U.S. Snail - 277 Spring Rd, Baroda, MI 49101 + + E-Mail: cs890@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu | ai900@yfn.ysu.edu + + Fidonet: Joshua Weage @ 1:2340/130 + + All ideas are my own and no one elses!! + " 5909,5,"From: D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.UK (Dave Haywood) Subject: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and Sparc 10 keyboard Organization: Sheffield Hallam University Lines: 66 Reply-To: D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi, Please reply to me direct as I am not a member of this list. I am new to X, so please excuse my lax (read: ""probably incorrect"") terminology! Environment: Sun Sparc 10, SunOs 4.1.3. X11R5 path level 23. My X process is started by xdm. i) I want to setup the backgroud (root window?) of the tvtwm display to display the escherknot etc (grey is a very boring colour to work on)! The setup is as follows: lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 - xsetroot -bitmap ... etc ~user/.xsession - xsetroot .... etc tvtwm There are also .tvtwmrc and .Xdefaults files in the (~user) home directory. The xsetroot in Xsetup_0 displays the appropriate bitmap in the xdm login window as expected - very nice! Unfortunately, when the users session is started, the background of the tvtwm window reverts to grey. If I manually type xsetroot... in an xterm window when the session has started, the background is changed as expected. The question is: How do I retain the background from the login window and/or specify a new background on a per-user basis as part of the the users session startup? ii) When I open an Xterm on the Sparc 10, not all of the keys are recognised and some keys on the keyboard are not sending the correct characters. ie: real key key shown on screen ------------ ------------------- hash back slash tilde pipe double quote at symbol pound hash cursor key not recognised This is very annoying! Is X at fault here or the machine setup? I have installed the xterm drivers that came with X11R5 in both terminfo and termcap as they seemed more uptodate. Typing set in an xterm window shows a terminal type of xterm - as expected! Any help on how to correct either of these problems much appreciated! Thanks, Dave. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- JANET : D.Haywood@uk.ac.sheffield-hallam | Dave Haywood. or D.Haywood@uk.ac.shu | Computer Services, INTERNET: D.Haywood@shu.ac.uk | Sheffield Hallam University Telex : 54680 SHPOLY G | Pond Street, Tel : +44 742-533-828 | Sheffield. S1 1WB. ENGLAND. FAX : +44 742-533-840 | X.400:/I=D/S=Haywood/O=Sheffield-Hallam/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB X.500:@c=GB@o=Sheffield Hallam University@ou=Computer Services@cn=Dave Haywood " 5910,6,From: cfoley@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Ciaran Foley) Subject: Lots of neat IBM clone stuff for sale Lines: 34 1) Complete 80386Dx25Mhz System for sale SVGA card/w color Tatung VGA Monitor 2s/1p 2 floppies (1.44 and 1.2) 230 Watt Power supply 1 meg ram installed 80 meg IDE 14ms Hard drive Best offer... 2) Bits and pieces a) IDE controller card b) internal 2400 baud modem c) 80386Dx25Mhz CPU d) 3 megs SIMM memory e) Standard VGA card 3) Panasonic KXP-1524 Wide Carriage 24 pin Printer Brand new condition comes with plenty 'o ribbons Parallel and Serial ports Nice crisp output ALl items are in beautiful condition. All fully functional. Willing to provide net references if needed. Best offers on all items snag 'em. Thanks for your time! Ciaran Ciaran Foley cfoley@bonnie.uci.ics.edu Office:714.830.3579 5911,15,"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 37 vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: > I just thought I'd share some words that I received in a letter > from Moody Bible Institute a couple of months ago. The words are by > James M. Stowell, the president of MBI. > > ""The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing. > It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing evangelical > Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we are the only ones > who know what the absolutes are. > > ""He missed the point. No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point. > ""We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His > truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance > of those absolutes."" Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes. I don't see how that necessarily follows. Are all truths also absolutes? Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and which truths are absolutes. And, who is qualified to make these determinations? There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding Biblical interpretation. I find Mr. Stowell's statement terribly simple-minded. Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com " 5912,19,"From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Rob Napier) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu In article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: > > >""To all whom it may concern - > [constitution sacrificed to the bandwidth gods] im glad i finally have heard exactly what the OTO is all about. i finally know that i can stop looking, content i the knowlege that im not interested. it's tough enough listening to all the religions who refer to themselves as ""the One Truth"". How can i possibly accept it from a magical order? ""We have all the Answers and will give them to those who join us (and pay dues)?"" Scary. Besides, answers are easy. Questions! now that's another story... rintaw -- |------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Rob Napier - Virginia Tech | There is no gravity, the earth sucks. | | rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu | All in all I'm just another Schitz In The Hall | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| " 5913,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 33 In article <1qt6ooINN7gd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: > >the only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying >to get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice >afterwards, but what should we have expected they would say? Lou wanted Morris all along. The idiot. Giving the man $40 million to play with is like giving a five year old a loaded Uzi with the safety off. The only question is how many shots he will get off before somebody is wise enough to take it away. >} And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >} even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. > >if this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares? I don't see why people expect Boston to finish sixth. The bottom four teams last year were essentially tied. Boston, in seventh place, had 73 wins. The Yankees and Indians, tied for fourth place, had 76 wins. Now I should think it is obvious that the Red Sox improved more than the Indians or Tigers. Basically, the Red Sox are stronger this year at 1B, DH, SS, LF, and RF. They have healthier starting pitchers (so far, at least) and better relievers. I see no reason why they shouldn't win ~85 games. Meanwhile, the Indians are in shambles and the Tigers *still* have no pitching. They will win some 20-3 blowouts, but they will lose an awful lot of 7-5 games too. *MAYBE* the Sox will play poorly, win 78 games, and finish fifth. But I think third or fourth place is more likely. Cheers, -Valentine " 5914,16,"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: Re: UPI News Release Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 12 Cathy Smith posting for L. Neil Smith Dear Bill -- Very, VERY good -- you made my whole day with this post. Thanks a lot. L. Neil Smith My opinions are, of course, my own. " 5915,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Too fast Article-I.D.: armory.1qkon8$3re Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed > Oh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast. >They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon >a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit. My whole point was not to say that the cars *couldn't* go that fast, but that they *shouldn't* go that fast. A family sedan designed to be operable at 85mph doesn't suddenly become operable at 130mph because you added some plastic aero effects, slightly wider tires, and a much larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the *brakes.* The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications. I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is inadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of the car is not up to par. I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in mind. It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them drivable at high speed. This should be elementary. There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe the following to be true: 1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here. 2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them far more predictable than most US highways. 3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not much higher than 120km/h. I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph (nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people have no respect for their own lives. >>You certainly haven't convinced me. > Of course not. ""Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. >I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother."" You had your mind made up >already. If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 5916,2,"From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) Subject: Re: ATM Article-I.D.: life.1r6m6hINNg6b Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: kauai.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: downs@helios.nevada.edu's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 20:20:28 GMT In article downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) writes: >>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >>better printer technologies ... and TT? > >There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you >have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is >a waste of system resources. > -----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in the first place. Unless you `print' to file with the correct resolution set for the final output device (image setter). A problem with TT fonts in Windows is that they do get converted to T1 format OK, and the hinting is even used while this is done, but the resulting T1 fonts are NOT hinted. The result is that they WILL work fine on a device of the resolution assumed by the printer driver when the PS file is generated, but they will not look good when printed at a different resolution. So when you print to an attached PS printer, with the PS driver set up for this printer results, may be quite good. But if you take a PS file made for that printer and run it on a device of different resolution (such as an image setter), then the results may not be so good. " 5917,9,"From: fisherg@egr.msu.edu (fisher greg) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu In article <1993Apr16.172502.21766@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.122649.22938@husc3.harvard.edu> fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes: > >>Once, on Jeopardy, the category was ""Jewish Sports Heros,"" believe it >>or not. The answer was, ""This pitcher had four no-hitters with the >>Dodgers in the 60s."" The contestant said, ""Who is Hank Aaron?"" Alex >>Trebek said something like, ""I don't think Hank Aaron was a pitcher."" > >Well, it *is* a Jewish name... > >8-) > >Roger That's right. Remember Hank Greenberg??!! " 5918,15,"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 88 vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: > In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: > > (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: > >> (Carol Alvin) writes: > >> > ... > >> >Are all truths also absolutes? > >> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? > >> > > >> The answer to both questions is yes. > > > > ... > >an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture, > >situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree > >with this definition? ... > > > Yes, I do agree with your definition. ... > > > [example of women covering their heads and not speaking] > > Hold it. I said that all of scripture is true. However, discerning > exactly what Jesus, Paul and company were trying to say is not always so > easy. I don't believe that Paul was trying to say that all women should > behave that way. Rather, he was trying to say that under the circumstances > at the time, the women he was speaking to would best avoid volubility and > cover their heads. This has to do with maintaining a proper witness toward > others. Remember that any number of relativistic statements can be derived > from absolutes. For instance, it is absolutely right for Christians to > strive for peace. However, this does not rule out trying to maintain world > peace by resorting to violence on occasion. (Yes, my opinion.) I agree that there is truth in scripture. There are principles to be learned from it. Claiming that that truth is absolute, though, seems to imply a literal reading of the Bible. If it were absolute truth (constant across time, culture, etc.) then no interpretation would be necessary. It may be that the lessons gleaned from various passages are different from person to person. To me, that doesn't mean that one person is right and the other is wrong. I believe that God transcends our simple minds, and that scripture may very well have been crafted with exactly this intent. God knows me, and knows that my needs are different from yours or anyone else's. By claiming that scripture is absolute, then at least one person in every disputed interpretation must be wrong. I just don't believe that God is that rigid. > >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture > >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) > >Can you reconcile this? > > Sure. The Bible preaches absolute truths. However, exactly what those > truths are is sometimes a matter of confusion. As I said, the Bible does > preach absolute truths. Sometimes those fundamental principles are crystal > clear (at least to evangelicals). This is where the arrogance comes in to play. Since these principles are crystal clear to evangelicals, maybe the rest of us should just take their word for it? Maybe it isn't at all crystal clear to *me* that their fundamental principles are either fundamental *or* principles. I think we've established that figuring out Biblical truth is a matter of human interpretation and therefore error-prone. Yet you can still claim that some of them may be crystal clear? Maybe to a certain segment of Christianity, but to all. > >It's very difficult to see how you can claim something which is based > >on your own *interpretation* is absolute. > > God revealed his Truths to the world, through His Word. It is utterly > unavoidable, however, that some people whill come up with alternate > interpretations. Practically anything can be misinterpreted, especially > when it comes to matters of right and wrong. Care to deny that? Not at all. I think it supports my position much more effectively than yours. :-) So, I think that your position is: The Bible is absolute truth, but as we are prone to error in our interpretation, we cannot reliably determine if we have figured out what that truth is. Did I get that right? What's the point of spending all this time claiming and defending absolute truth, when we can never know what those truths are, and we can never (or at least shouldn't) act upon them? What practical difference can this make? Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com " 5919,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr19.130503.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net>, gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: > With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints > by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about > that might just work. > > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin > to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! > > -- > gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) > theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville ==== If that were true, I'd go for it.. I have a few friends who we could pool our resources and do it.. Maybe make it a prize kind of liek the ""Solar Car Race"" in Australia.. Anybody game for a contest! == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 5920,13,"From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr19.043654.13068@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: >> >>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? >> > >I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of >'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't >show up in any chemical test. That would be a very expensive toxin indeed! -- | Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | Joe: ""Are you late?"" | | dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu | Dan: ""No, but I'm working on it!"" | | Biochemistry, Biotechnology | | | California Polytechnic State U | | " 5921,15,"From: Christopher.S.Weinberger@williams.edu (Gib) Subject: Re: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Lines: 21 In article rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes: >Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those >who love him, who are called according to his purpose. >Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. >We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on >Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that >matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? Both Christians and non-Christians laugh at this quote because it exaggerates something we all feel, but know is not true. Us Christians just KNOW that a little better! :) In God we trust! -Christopher email @ 96csw@williams.edu " 5922,1,"From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: WingCommanderII Graphics Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: antithesis.engin.umich.edu I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get more information about the graphics in the WingCommander series, and the RealSpace system they use. I think it's really awesome, and wouldn't mind being able to use similar features in programs. Thanks in advance. Daemon " 5923,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Lines: 65 ] gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes: ] > Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there ] > that they're angling for NREN next, ] Where? I honestly didn't see any... Hint 1: : Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to : protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to : protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hint 2: : This new technology will help companies protect proprietary : information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations : and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to : employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone : calls and data, under proper court or other legal ^^^^^^^^ : order, when necessary to protect our citizens; VERY BIG HINT 3: # The Administration is committed to working with the private # sector to spur the development of a National Information # Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer # technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to # information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks # (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV # programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone # system transmits voice. VERY BIG HINT 4: (See above) ## Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important ## role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act ## quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding ## its use. ] > and the only conceivable meaning of ] > applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they ] > intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. ] I disagree, if for no other reason than that there are already other ] standards in place. Besides, even if they restrict encryption on the NREN, ] who cares? Most of the Internet is commercial anyway. The NREN is only for ] geovernment and university research (read the proposals--it's a ""data ] superhighway"" for Cray users, not anything having to do with the Internet). Oh, I see your point. I think you're wrong. But if you sit back and wait to find out if I'm right, it'll be too late. Just listen *very* carefully for the first 'such and such will not be permitted on network XYZ' shoe to drop. G " 5924,16,"From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) Subject: Letter to the President Nntp-Posting-Host: sora.icd.ab.com Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Lines: 46 Here's a copy of a letter I'm e-mailing to the Slickster at his address of 75300.3115@compuserve.com: ____________________________________________________________________________ To: William J. Clinton President of the United States of America Mr. President: I am writing to express my utter outrage at the conduct of various government agencies in regards to the tragedy in Waco. I DEMAND the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury, who bears responsibility for the initial helicopter and grenade attack by the ATF against the Branch Davidians, and of Janet Reno, who authorized the final assault on the very day that we were commemorating the Warsaw ghetto revolt. And I would truly appreciate it if you would make sure something like this never happens again on your watch. Respectfully yours, Kenneth D. Whitehead ___________________________________________________________________________ Get involved, gang. It's your Republic. Let's take it back. ************************************************************************** * I will be much more willing to believe the Government's side of the * * Waco story AFTER we are allowed to hear from the survivors. So far, * * all we've gotten has been censored by the very people who have the * * most to cover up. And I'd REALLY like to know how they got the * * press, who complained so loudly about being kept off the front lines * * during the Gulf War, be such obedient lap dogs in Waco... Kind of * * makes me wonder if this so-called ""freedom of the press"" isn't * * highly overrated. * ************************************************************************** Ken Whitehead (kdw@odin.icd.ab.com) " 5925,9,"From: stlouis@unixg.ubc.ca (Phill St. Louis) Subject: Billy Taylor a Brave or Jay? Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Does anyone know where Billy Taylor is? Richmond or Syracuse? He was taken by the Jays in the Rule V draft, but not kept on the roster. Baseball Weekly said that he was demoted to Syracuse, but a Toronto paper indicated that the Braves took him back. Is there an Atlanta fan, or anyone reading this, who knows? Thanks psl " 5926,9,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! Article-I.D.: netcom.ericsC52qCC.6Fu Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 19 genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu said: >>I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? >>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) >Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out >from under oversized aqua helmets screams ""Little League"" in every fibre of >my being... Hmm, it seems the Little Leaguers didn't do too badly against Hershiser, Strawberry, E. Davis, and the rest of the Dodgers yesterday ... :-) ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 5927,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 43 David Karr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:01:01 GMT wibbled: : In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes: : >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> : >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: : > : >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things. : >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable : >> person. Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows? : If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the : article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he : got his drinking money from? : I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is : looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out : of hand or of shoddy journalism. : If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they : should put the money in trust. They don't, so I would assume it's : perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that : way myself. : -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) We heard about this from a newspaper article. Journalists and editors always pick out the most interesting and sensational ""facts"" for our delectation. As the editor of the Sun once said: ""We never let the facts get in the way of a good story"". You must have noticed how motorcyclists get treated by the press. They thrive on hysteria, ignorance, sensationalism and one-upmanship. Unfortunately there's not enough salt to keep taking a pinch of. -- Nick (the Cynical Old Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Leaky New Gearbox M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 (-) ""Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for you. It's time to get up " 5928,17,"From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES (Henrik) Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: alban.dsv.su.se Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Organization: Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University |> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS |> to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their |> territorium... Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) are their homeland. Can't you see the the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? With facist methods like killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds by the Armenians. |> However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane |> to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one |> that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane |> (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. |> Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 American Cargo planes were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities announced that they were going to search these cargo planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not humanitarian aid..... Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons since it's content is announced to be weapons? Hilmi Eren Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University Sweden Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se " 5929,1,"From: rsc@altair.csustan.edu (Steve Cunningham) Subject: Re: SIGGRAPH Summary: No free lunch this year! Organization: CSU Stanislaus Lines: 27 srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes: > dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk (Dave Mikelson) writes: > ... > >Does anyone know if there is an 'open day' for the public at any time? > >That is, not to attend conferences, but just browse around the > >exhibits. Or are the exhibits etc just for fully registered attendees? > was free as long as you got it to Siggraph on or before July 7. > For 1991, it was similar: $20.00 or free before July 9. It is safe > to assume that the same kind of deal will be available this year. I just got my advance program and the ""card in the back"" is for the Exhibits Plus program -- the exhibits plus admission to a number of conference venues, including a special general session, ""Behind the Scenes: Computer Graphics in Film."" Admission is not free, but is a nominal $30 (exhibits are open August 3 -- 5). To get a copy of the advance program, you can call 312-321-6830; the advance program itself is a good indication of the excitement of the conference! > > Register early and get in for free. Sorry -- doesn't work this year! -- Steve Cunningham " 5930,4,"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: WARNING! Don't break Powerbook screen Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.210853.26502 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 20 In article peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes: > >Surprised? Shouldn't be. Protective tarriffs almost always end up >hurting the U.S. in the long run. Same with subsidies. they way >to build a strong economy isn't to wall it off from the tough outside >world, but rather to compete in the global market place (and don't >come crying when the world doesn't always want to play by our house >rules). Tell that to the Japanese, their local market is neatly protected by the Japanese government. Its one very tough nut to crack. In fact the only current way to break into it, is to do it with a Japanese company as a partner in the venture. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu " 5931,5,"From: viola@asterix.uni-muenster.de (J”rg Viola) Subject: Looking for Xt and Xaw Organization: Westfaelischen Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: asterix.uni-muenster.de I want to compile Xdvi and later perhaps Emacs 19 on a DEC Ultrix machine with X installed. Unfortunately, Xt and Xaw libs and headers are missing. How can I get them without having to compile the whole MIT distribution ? Pleasy reply by email to: viola@yukawa.uni-muenster.de Thanks in advance. " 5932,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 41 In article <2BAC23FF.25215@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >There was no such letter in the Chronicle on that date, or at any other time. Is this a figment of your imagination? Here is another one: Source: ""Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"" Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi collaboration. A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, is attention-getting. This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered ""Aryan"" and what befell them. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 5933,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 22 In article myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) writes: >I am under the impression that MSG ""enhances"" flavor by causing the >taste buds to swell. No, that's not how it works. >If this is correct, I do not find it unreasonable >to assume that high doses of MSG can cause other mouth tissues to swell. This may be through a different mechanism. >Also, as the many of the occurances (including two of the above) >involved beef, and as beef is frequently tenderized with MSG, this is >what I suspect as being the cause. Tenderizing beef involves sprinking or marinading it in papain, an enzyme. ""Meat tenderizer"" packets might contain papain and MSG and seasonings, but MSG doesn't act as a tenderizer. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 5934,11,"From: johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA Lines: 23 brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: [...] >And of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and >since the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the >magic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and >then can present the warrant to the key escrow house. Who makes them forget and destroy all copies of the key once they've decided you're not a criminal today? Just curious. >-- >Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 ------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. -------- Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS | TRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com FP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90] 1 Federal Systems Park Drive | Phone: +1 (703) 968.1000 Fairfax, Virginia 22033-4412 U.S.A. | Fax: +1 (703) 803.5189 -- ------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. -------- Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS | TRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com FP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90] " 5935,15,"From: k053730@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Philip G. Sells) Subject: Hebrew grammar texts--choose English or German? Organization: Kalamazoo College Alumni Association Lines: 28 Greetings, Probably a tired old horse, but... maybe with a slightly different twist. I wanted to know if there are any good English-language texts for learning ancient Hebrew, and how these compare with German educational texts qualitywise, if anybody has an idea. I can't figure out if I should buy one here for later study or wait until I get back to the U.S. Something I find interesting about studying theology in Germany is the fact that the students get their ancient language-learning out of the way early [I'm not a theology student, but I spend a lot of time with such folks] in their careers. They take the first two years or so to just do Greek and Latin and Hebrew [possibly Aramaic, too--who knows]. What's it like at divinity schools or seminaries in the States? Is there a lot of language instruction done? I really don't have a basis for comparison. Regards, Phil -- Philip Sells Is anything too hard for the LORD? k053730@hobbes.kzoo.edu --Gen. 18:14 [For better of worse, we don't have the tradition of classical education in the U.S., so generally if a seminary believes students should know Greek, they have to teach it. It's common for seminaries to require at least a semester each of Hebrew and Greek, though of course more is required for serious scholarship. --clh] " 5936,15,"From: lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 43 In article REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > >I dreamed that the great judgment morning had dawned, > and the trumpet had blown. >I dreamed that the sinners had gathered for judgment > before the white throne. >Oh what weeping and wailing as the lost were told of their fate. >They cried for the rock and the mountains. >They prayed, but their prayers were too late. >The soul that had put off salvation, >""Not tonight I'll get saved by and by. > No time now to think of ....... religion,"" >Alas, he had found time to die. >And I saw a Great White Throne. If I believed in the God of the bible I would be very fearful of making this statement. Doesn't it say those who judge will be judged by the same measure? >Now, some have protest by saying that the fear of hell is not good for >motivation, yet Jesus thought it was. Paul thought it was. Paul said, >""Knowing therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."" A God who must motivate through fear is not a God worthy of worship. If the God Jesus spoke of did indeed exist he would not need hell to convince people to worship him. >Today, too much of our evangelism is nothing but soft soap and some of >it is nothing but evangelical salesmanship. We don't tell people anymore, that >there's such a thing as sin or that there's such a place as hell. It was the myth of hell that made me finally realize that the whole thing was untrue. If it hadn't been for hell I would still be a believer today. The myth of hell made me realize that if there was a God that he was not the all knowing and all good God he claimed to be. Why should I take such a being at his word, even if there was evidence for his existance? -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . " 5937,15,"From: MNHCC@cunyvm.bitnet (Marty Helgesen) Subject: RADIO FREE THULCANDRA (was Dungeons & Dragons: An author's view Organization: City University of New York Lines: 18 There was a recent discussion of Dungeons and Dragons and other role playing games. Since there is a lot of crossover between gamers and science fiction and fantasy fans, I will mention that I am the editor and publisher of RADIO FREE THULCANRA, a Christian-oriented science fiction fanzine. It is not a Christian magazine with a special interest in science fiction. It is a science fiction fanzine with a special interest in Christianity. Gaming is not a major topic of discussion but it has come up in some letters. (No, there are no arguments about whether D&D is satanic. People who think it is are not likely to be reading RFT.) Anyway, I am now working on the April issue. I will send a sample copy to any reader of soc.religion.christian who requests it. It is printed on paper, so requests should include a snail-mail address. ------- Marty Helgesen Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ""What if there were no such thing as a hypothetical situation?"" " 5938,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: writes: >>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely >>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just >>implanted some sort of electronic device. >Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in >potential criminals like Communists and atheists? Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people *before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this? keith " 5939,6,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: WANTED:Tablehockey Games Lines: 16 Hello, I am looking for the Coleco Tablehockey games that were popular in the 70's. The games that I seek have straight slots for the defenseman, not the S shaped slots. The players are attatched to rods operated with springs. If you have a game(or games) that you would be willing to part with, please send me an e-mail message at U34815@uicvm.uic.edu. Price is negotiable and I would also cover shipping if you are out of state. I am part of a league that plays on a regular basis, the CTHL (The Chicago Table Hockey League), and need a game to practice on. Also, the league itself is always interested in purchasing games to expand itself. Thank You, Ken Harris. equipment to expand it's size. " 5940,11,"From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York) Subject: Clipper Chip - How would it work? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 18 With all the talk about this Clipper chip, I have developed one question... HOW DOES IT WORK??? If you use this, then how does it get decrypted on the other end? Does the other party (receiving the phone call/mail/etc) have to know some code to undo it? Do I use a different method for calling one party than I would for another?. If the other party can decrypt it, doesn't that mean that someone else could also? I assume that if everyone has a different key, the only use would be storing secure data for later retrieval by the same key. This seems like a fundamental question to me, but I have very little experience with cryptosystems, other than DES. If someone could give me an explanation as to how it would be used (remember that I have had little experience with this sort of thing) it would be very much appreciated. Justin York jyork@iastate.edu " 5941,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: >>Explain to me >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there >would be nothing voluntary about it. See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant if it is ""voluntary."" Why do you think this? And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts. >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other >>beings mimics theirs? >You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the >same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying ""Pretty Polly"" >isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly. You are attaching too many things to the term ""moral,"" I think. Let's try this: is it ""good"" that animals of the same species don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do is either right nor wrong? >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but >>they don't. >They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly >this, but you seem to have a very short memory. Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some sort of mating ritual or whatnot. >>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because >>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? >I'm saying: > ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not > just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" >It's right there in the posting you are replying to. Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What do you mean by ""consider?"" Can a small child be moral? How about a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does the being need to be self aware? What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't you find the fact that they don't at all significant? keith " 5942,9,"From: acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu Subject: Fenway Gif Reply-To: acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA. Lines: 5 I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif. I would appreciate it if someone could send me one. Thanks in advance. -Dan " 5943,1,"From: mogal@deadhead.asd.sgi.com (Joshua Mogal) Subject: Re: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?)) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 123 NNTP-Posting-Host: deadhead.asd.sgi.com |> My |> comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other |> vendors |> that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI. OpenGL is a graphics programming library and as such is a great, portable interface for the development of interactive 3D graphics applications. It is not, however, an indicator of performance, as that will vary strongly from machine to machine and vendor to vendor. SGI is committed to high performance interactive graphics systems and software tools, so OpenGL means that you can port easily from SGI to other platforms, there is no guarantee that your performance would be comparable. |> |> What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that |> we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the |> Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck. If your sales representative truly mislead you, then you should have a valid grievance against us which you should carry up to your local SGI sales management team. Feel free to contact the local branch manager...we understand that repeat sales come from satisfied customers, so give it a shot. |> |> I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a |> previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around |> for a while, rather than being flushed. As one of the previous posts stated, the Personal IRIS was introduced in 1988 and grew to include the 4D/20, 4D/25, 4D/30 and 4D/35 as clock rates sped up over time. As a rule of thumb, SGI platforms live for about 4-5 years. This was true of the motorola-based 3000 series ('85-'89), the PI ('88-'93), the Professional Series (the early 4D's - '86-'90), the Power Series parallel systems ('88-'93). Individual CPU subsystems running at a particular clock rate usually live for about 2 years. New graphics architectures at the high end (GT, VGX, RealityEngine) are released every 18 months to 2 years. These are the facts of life. If we look at these machines, they become almost archaic after four years, and we have to come out with a new platform (like Indigo, Onyx, Challenge) which has higher bus bandwidths, faster CPUs, faster graphics and I/O, and larger disk capacities. If we don't, we become uncompetitive. From the user perspective, you have to buy a machine that meets your current needs and makes economic sense today. You can't wait to buy, but if you need a guaranteed upgrade path for the machine, ask the Sales Rep for one in writing. If it's feasible, they should be able to do that. Some of our upgrade paths have specific programs associated with them, such as the Performance Protection Program for older R3000-based Power Series multiprocessing systems which allowed purchasers of those systems to obtain a guaranteed upgrade price for moving to the new Onyx or Challenge R4400-based 64-bit multiprocessor systems. |> |> Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to |> keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself |> pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books |> just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of |> getting boned in the process. |> If that's happening, it's becausing of misunderstandings or mis-communication, not because SGI is directly attempting to annoy our customer base. |> Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we |> aren't entitled to a ""peek under the covers"" as the Big Kids (NASA, |> for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs |> and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers |> every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis. Most SGI customers are onesy-twosey types, but regardless, we rarely give a great deal of notice when we are about to introduce a new system because again, like a previous post stated, if we pre-announced and the schedule slipped, we would mess up our potential customers schedules (when they were counting on the availability of the new systems on a particular date) and would also look awfully bad to both our investors and the financial analysts who watch us most carefully to see if we are meeting our commitments. |> The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the |> entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That |> means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I |> have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one |> previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other |> vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years. |> And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I |> could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're |> supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars). |> Five years is an awfully long time in computer years. New processor technologies are arriving every 1-2 years, making a 5 year old computer at least 2 and probably 3 generations behind the times. The competitive nature of the market is demanding that rate of development, so if your timing is really 5 years between purchases, you have to accept the limited viability of whatever architecture you buy into from any vendor. There are some realities about the computer biz that we all have to live with, but keeping customers happy is the most important, so don't give up, we know it. Josh |:-) -- ************************************************************************** ** ** ** ** Joshua Mogal ** Product Manager ** ** Advanced Graphics Division ** Advanced Graphics Systems ** ** Silicon Graphics Inc. ** Market Manager ** ** 2011 North Shoreline Blvd. ** Virtual Reality ** ** Mountain View, CA 94039-7311 ** Interactive Entertainment ** ** M/S 9L-580 ** ** ** ************************************* ** Tel: (415) 390-1460 ** ** Fax: (415) 964-8671 ** ** E-mail: mogal@sgi.com ** ** ** ************************************************************************** " 5944,11,"From: Tony Lezard Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryp Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 13 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > Whatever happens though, the effect of this new chip will be to make private > crypto stand out like a sore thumb. ONLY IF this chip catches on. Which means alternatives have to be developed. Which will only happen if Clipper is discredited. -- Tony Lezard IS tony@mantis.co.uk | PGP 2.2 public key available from key OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk | servers such as pgp-public-keys@demon.co.uk OR EVEN arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk | 172045 / 3C85783F 09BBEA0C B86CF9C6 7A5FA172 " 5945,8,"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 24 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: |In article jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes: |> What does ""DWI"" stand for ? I thought it was ""DUI"" for Driving Under |>Influence, so here what does W stand for ? | |Driving While Intoxicated. Actually, I beleive ""DWI"" normally means ""Driving While Impaired"" rather than ""Intoxicated"", at least it does in the states I've lived in... |This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her |case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor! One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs, not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc... I'm surprised this got her off the hook... Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined to liquor? Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 ""But, this one goes to *eleven*..."" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_ " 5946,2,"From: masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) Subject: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line Lines: 25 Reply-To: masika@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently. Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for the current selection. If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get an exact byte count. Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating! If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'. If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes', not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes! If I select 893,352 it will report only 893 bytes in the selection. If I select over a Meg worth of files, say 3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes! It's as if it's got a problem with displaying more than 3 characters! My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1. I've run the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything. Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting of the status bar in the FileManger? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Nicholas Masika, masika@bnr.ca _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ (613) 765-4893 / fax:765-4309 _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ OPC Development Operations ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5947,3,"From: al@col.hp.com (Al DeVilbiss) Subject: Re: Zeos Computers Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: reptile4.col.hp.com mspeed@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Matthew P. Speed) writes: > I am looking at purchasing a 486 system from Zeos computers. I would appreciate > if people could give me some feedback about the quality of their products and > customer service along with any advice about which systems people like. > Thanks in advance. > > I bought a 386DX33 system a little over 2 years ago, and was satisfied with everything about Zeos. That computer went off to grad school with my son and I replaced it with a 486DX2/66 pkg 4 (345 MBHD, 16MB ram) with Diamond Viper, 128K level 2 cache, and tower upgrades, delete the CTX monitor. I got a 17"" HP D1193A monitor employee purchase. This is a *great* system, fast, quiet, solidly built, not a single glitch bringing it up. Tech support seems busier now than 2 years ago. I called with a configuration question, and they called back 4 hours later with the right answer. I think there's a slight premium over Gateway prices, but IMHO Zeos is worth it. BTW they have enough 800 lines that I've never gotten a busy signal calling sales, customer service, or tech support. Now, you usually wait 5 or 10 minutes to talk to someone, but at least you get in the queue and wait on their dime. -- Al DeVilbiss al@col.hp.com " 5948,19,"Subject: Re: Christian Daemons? [Biblical Demons, the u From: stigaard@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Reply-To: stigaard@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Organization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2 Lines: 23 >>>667 >>>the neighbor of the beast >> >>No, 667 is across the street from the beast. 664 and 668 are the >>neighbors of the beast. > >I think some people are still not clear on this: >667 is *not* the neighbor of the beast, but, rather, across the >street. It is, in fact, 668 which is the neighbor of the beast. no, sheesh, didn't you know 666 is the beast's apartment? 667 is across the hall from the beast, and is his neighbor along with the rest of the 6th floor. >Justin (still trying to figure out what this has to do with alt.discordia) This doesn't seem discordant to you? ----------------------- ---------------------- ----------------------- -Paul W. Stigaard, Lokean Discordian Libertarian !XOA! internet: stigaard@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (fnord) Episkopos and Chair, Moorhead State University Campus Discordians Rectal neufotomist at large ""If I left a quote here, someone would think it meant something."" " 5949,6,"From: walshs@cs.uwp.edu (Steven Walsh) Subject: Sony Receiver and Ten Disc changer for sale! Keywords: receiver, compact disc, changer Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside Distribution: misc.forsale Lines: 38 For sale -------- STR-AV1070 Audio Receiver ------------------------- 120 Watts per channel Dolby Surround sound with Pro Logic Learning Programmable remote 10 Watts per channel for surround sound Supports Dual Room Link Control (to hear another source in a different room) Index filing of all radio stations 7 band equilizer with real-time analyzer I need to get $450 for this unit or best offer. CDP-C910 Sony ten disc changer ------------------------------ Ten disc cartridge Custom File of your favorite program or title or volume for each disc (Up to 184 disc memory!) Remote control Fixed and Variable volume outputs Optical output 8x Oversampling rate $325 firm. I purchased these items about 6 months ago and need to sell them now to buy a house. Both units are in immaculate shape and are priced to move. Steven Walsh walshs@cs.uwp.edu (414) 654-4473 " 5950,15,"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 148 In article 1328@geneva.rutgers.edu, gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) writes: >dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: [deletia- sig] >> p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >>it blindly? >> Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? >> I defy any theist to reply. > [deletia- formalities] I probably should let this pass, it's not worth the time, and it's not really intended for me. But I couldn't resist. A personal weakness of mine. Jerkius Kneeus. Tragically incurable. >The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence >of God could not be proven. That His existence can be proven by reason >is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, ""Traditional Proofs for the >Existence of God,"" and Summa Theologica). Not so; I can prove that the existance of God is disputable by showing that people dispute it; This is easy: I dispute that God exists. Simple. I missed your ""Traditional Proofs"" treatise, but the proofs I remember from the Summa Theologic (the 5 ways I think it was) were rather poor stuff. The Ontological argument is about a billion times better, imho. I would think you'd want non-traditional proofs, considering the general failure of the traditional proofs: at least the ones I know of. (I am thinking of the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument and the Teleological argument. Those are the ones traditional enough to have funny names, anyway.) >Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason, >I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen >condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith. Why? This is the real question. So to discuss it, I'll assume God exists. Otherwise, there is no heavenly authority to babble about. >Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter, >the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the >Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order >to the universe (logos). Please show this is the case. I am familiar with the First Cause argument, and I'll accept (for the sake of argument) that there is a First Cause, even though I find some of its premices questionable. The rest you'll have to show. This includes that the First Cause is God. >I next assert that God is all good. Got it. I deny that God is all good. So there. > If this is so, then that which is >contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good. And, >since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior >as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because >a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source >of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship. >Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah. This isn't self-consistent: if humans must renew the relationship, then God (incarnate or not) can't do it. Well, unless you think God is human. Granted, God made himself 'human', but this is nonetheless cheating: The intent of the statement is clearly that man has to fix the problem he caused. God fixing it- even by indirect means- contradicts this. >Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6). If this claim >is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate. Why? Also, why assume said claim is true anyway? If *I* claim to be Truth, are you bound by reason to follow me? >You next seem to have a problem with authority. Have you tried the United >States Marine Corps yet? I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent >instructor in authority. :) Undoubtably. Do you mean to imply we should all obey the commands of the Marines without question? You seem to imply this about God, and that the Marines are similar in this respect.. If this is not what you are trying to say, they please explain what it is you are saying, as I have missed it. > If you have not yet had the privilege, I will >reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned, >and thus must be followed blindly. Why? Why not question it? Even if it *is* truth, we cannot know this certainly, so why is it so irrational to question? Perhaps we will thus discover that we were wrong. You assert that God is Truth and we can't question Truth. But I assert that God is not Truth and anyway we can question Truth. How is it my assertion is less good than yours? > One may NOT deny the truth. Oh? I hereby deny 1+1=2. I hope you'll agree 1+1=2 is the truth. Granted, I look pretty damn silly saying something like that, but I needed something we'd both agree was clearly true. Now, you'll notice no stormtroopers have marched in to drag me off to the gulag. No heaven lighting bolts either. No mysterious net outages. I seem to be permited to say such things, absurd or not. > For >example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could >have denied that it happened, but he did not. The laws of physics must >be obeyed whether a human likes them or not. They are true. They are certainly not true. At least, the ones Newton derived are not true, and are indeed wildly inaccurate at high speeds or small distances. We do not have a set of Laws of Physics that always works in all cases. If we did, Physics would be over already. Science is all about Questioning this sort of truth. If we didn't, we'd still follow Aristotle. I'd generalize this a little more: If you want to learn anything new, you MUST question the things you Know (tm). Because you can always be wrong. >Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied. Even presupposing that Truth may not be Denied, and may not be Questioned, and that God is Truth, it only follows that God may not be Denied or Questioned. NOT that he must be obeyed! We could unquestioningly DISobey him. How annoying of us. But you have not connected denial with disobedience. --- - Dan ""No Nickname"" Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. " 5951,1,"From: tw2@irz.inf.tu-dresden.de (Thomas Wolf) Subject: Q: TIFF description Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: irz205.inf.tu-dresden.de Keywords: TIFF Sorry for wasting your time with a probably simple question, but I'm not an computer graphic expert. I want to read TIFF-Files with a PASCAL-program. The problem is, that the files I want to read are in compressed form ( code 1, e.g. Huffman ). All books & articles I found describe only the plain (uncompressed) format. I don't know where to get the original TIFF specification, furthermore I haven't any access to a realy complete library. Can anybody direct me to a good book or (even better) to an specification available via ftp ? Thanks in advance - Thomas Wolf ps: direct mail would be prefered " 5952,9,"From: u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: With a surge in the last two weeks... Lines: 24 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, lend me your ears for but a moment, The National Legue Eastern Division Champions will be the... Philadelphia Phillies I one hundred and ten percent guarantee!!! Chamberlain Hollins Dykstra Incaviglia Jackson Williams Daulton Greene Kruk Mulholland Rivera Thompson Duncan Watch us soar in 1993! " 5953,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: test don't read! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 5954,18,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over Article-I.D.: cos.bob1.734037895 Distribution: world Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Lines: 34 In nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >In article bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >>In nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >>> Norway (where you appear to be posting from) is just such a >>> place, although it has always escaped my understanding just >>> what the appeal, to allegedly rational people, of such a >>> scheme might be. What gives King Olav V (or whoever it is >>> now - my atlas is from 1987) the right to any special legal >>> status or title based on a mere accident of birth? >> >>To begin with, it's quite inexpensive compared to here, what with our >>having six former presidents still alive, drawing pensions, expense >>accounts, and secret service protection. > Maybe so, but they were, after all, President. In the corporate > world it's SOP for retiring senior executives to be given nice > pensions, etc. The point is that they performed a service and > this is part of the compensation package. The only ""service"" > royals have to perform for their free ride is being born. We might be better off had some of our former presidents done nothing. >---peter >PS - . . . which is not to say that some of our presidents have > not provided a service for the country too dissimilar from what > occurs when a bull ""services"" a cow (for those of you familiar > with cattle breeding). > " 5955,18,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Distribution: usa Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 13 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study >(discrediting Kinsey) says so. Wow, does this mean 2 out of 5 homosexuals will be at the March on Washington? How *very* interesting. cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. " 5956,11,"From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) Subject: Re: disk safety measure? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 33 <1pq0re$gc2@network.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: steve-dallas.mit.edu In-reply-to: loki@sdphu3.ucsd.edu's message of 5 Apr 93 19:21:18 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <1pq0re$gc2@network.ucsd.edu> loki@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (Lance M Cottrell) writes: BTW I have not been able to get pgp to produce a signature that I can attatch to the end of this message. What is the procedure? Thanks. try: pgp -sat +clearsig=on This will do the clearsig signing... Enjoy! - -derek PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBuAgUBK8DNazh0K1zBsGrxAQFoZQLEC/XKXMoDhCPf/AZ3aOQSLfz+6w400UDk Ng6prxnPuEuSZQEiiusMCVcRcGnWbaVrxFjA1o4yubh01Czcg3ZC9wLJolXlxJn7 iSJh/eTZxmJnNynJxlGs0Ao= =4eZb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH " 5957,9,"From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) Subject: Re: HBP? BB? BIG-CAT? Organization: Organization? Who cares? You just gotta say ""Go Bears!"" Lines: 14 Distribution: na <1qv9psINNsj6@lynx.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: kubey@sgi.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 23:27:29 GMT In article kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes: I suppose a foul ball machine (like Brett Butler) is pretty valuable, but I'd rather watch (and root for) the lower OBP guys who can actually hit the ball. And I'd rather watch (and root for) a team that scores lots of runs and wins games. Of course, I'm rooting for the Rockies and Andres anyway. But that's for irrational hometown reaons. I also root for Frank Thomas. :) David Paschich " 5958,8,"From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) Subject: Re: Where's The Oil on my K75 Going? Organization: Why do you suspect that? Lines: 35 In article tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes: > > After both oil changes, the oil level was at the top mark in the >window on the lower right side of the motor, but I've been noticing >that the oil level seen in the window gradually decreases over the >miles. I'm always checking the window with the bike on level ground >and after it has sat idle for awhile, so the oil has a chance to drain >back into the pan. The bike isn't leaking oil any place, and I don't >see any smoke coming out of the exhaust. > > My owner's manual says the amount of oil corresponding to the >high and low marks in the oil level window is approx. .5 quart. It >looks like my bike has been using about .25 quarts/1000 miles. The >owner's manual also gives a figure for max. oil consumption of about >.08oz/mile or .15L/100km. > > My question is whether the degree of ""oil consumption"" I'm seeing on >my bike is normal? Have any other K75 owners seen their oil level >gradually and consistently go down? Should I take the bike in for >work? I'm asking local guys also, to get as many data points as I >can. It's normal for the BMW K bikes to use a little oil in the first few thousand miles. I don't know why. I've had three new K bikes, and all three used a bit of oil when new - max maybe .4 quart in first 1000 miles; this soon quits and by the time I had 10,000 miles on them the oil consumption was about zero. I've been told that the harder you run the bike (within reason) the sooner it stops using any oil. Charlie Smith charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org KotdohL KotWitDoDL 1KSPI=22.85 DoD #0709 doh #0000000004 & AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6 Columbus, Ohio USA " 5959,16,"From: turmoil@halcyon.com (Tim Crowley) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes: >Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics >is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks. > Cathy >-- >Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu WHY?????????? " 5960,10,"From: jslam@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.lam) Subject: Re: Request for Islanders e-mail list Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr5.183014.16567 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr3.014237.20959@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes: >In article <16b5xvf@rpi.edu> wangr@rpi.edu writes: >>>If anyone out there is keeping an Islanders e-mail list, could you >>>please add me to it? Thanks in advance. >> >>>Ercu >> >> Can u add me onto the list too....Thanks... >> >>Rex > >Count me IN !!!! > >Go Isles! > > -Don > >bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca > Please count me in also... Just can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers in overtime on last Friday!!! Go Isles! " 5961,11,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 42 In article <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: > >In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, >but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes >sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is >classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is >_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you >are then not allowed to read your own paper. > Hate to mess up your point, but it is incredibly easy to learn how to make a nuclear weapon. The hard part is getting the radioactives to put in it. Have you ever read Tom Clancy's _The Sum of All Fears_? It describes in great detail how a Palestinian terrorist group constructed a nuclear bomb using stolen (actually found) plutonium, with some help from an East German nuclear physicist. For some non fiction, read Tom Clancy's article _Five Minutes Till Midnight_. It shows how a terrorist group could construct a nuke using Neptunium, a low grade radioactive waste product dumped in toxic waste sites and forgotten about. He also claims information on constructing a nuke is easily found in any large library. Sounds kind of scary, doesn't it? :-( >A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are >about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you >broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge >is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would >be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. > >Don't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some >court cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be >comforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it >imprisoned them. > Don't know whether you could get busted for warning of a speedtrap. Doug Holland -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Doug Holland | Anyone who tries to take away my freedom | | holland@cs.colostate.edu | of speech will have to pry it from my | | PGP key available by E-mail | cold, dead lips!! | " 5962,7,"From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: barnesm@sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com ...and in San Francisco recently, some of our finest examples of humanity poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become immobile, and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their demands known. --------------------------------+--------------------------------------- Mark Barnes, System Engineer | SunSoft | Corporate Technical Escalations | I speak for myself, an individual, Menlo Park, CA, USA | not for the company for which I work. barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM | --------------------------------+--------------------------------------- " 5963,18,"From: brow2812@mach1.wlu.ca (craig brown 9210 u) Subject: Re: Stop The SeXularHumanistOppression { former my beloved Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over} Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 35 In article gregotts@spss.com (Greg Otts) writes: >In article muftix@junior.BinTec.DE (Juergen Ernst Guenther) writes: >> >>I never understood why Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians etc. accusing >>US. people for imperialism though think of them as ""The Americans"". >> >>Not few Europeans think of you all as Americans (and of the US. as >>a bunch of blasphemeous trash that GOD has to extinguish sooner or later ...;) >> >> .m. > >It would not be surprising that a continent that produced fascism, communism, >and two world wars might have quite a few people who tend to think of other >people as trash that should be extinguished sooner or later. I seem to >remember a gut called Hitler who felt the same way. One wonders what would be >the fate of Europe if God had extinguished this nation of blasphemeous trash >before 1917. (Not that I believe in gods.) How many millions of people through- >out the world would have to die because no force could stop the insane, bloody >European imperialism? Thankfully the ""imperialistic"" US helped put an end to >these games so that the rest of the world can sleep alittle more safely. Thus, I >could care less what ""not few Europeans"" think so long as they can't do anything >about it. > > - Greg Otts > >These opinions are entirely my own. > But remember that had God extinguished the blasphemous trash of Europe (and Imperialism with it), the United States would not exist today to put an end to those ""games""....begs the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg??? C.Brown " 5964,6,"From: gt9605a@prism.gatech.EDU (Arlo James Aude) Subject: 2-18"" Altec Lansing Subwoofers FOR SALE $250 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 7 The headline says it all!!!!!!!! -- Oh god I hope it works, Oh God I hope it works Damn, I should have know that RF stood for 'Rarely Functional' Arlo Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 Aude Internet: gt9605a@prism.gatech.edu " 5965,10,"From: richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) Subject: Re: Ulf and all... Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA Lines: 20 You should be ashamed to call yourself an Ulf Samuelson fan. Anybody who plays the way he does, does not belong in the NHL. There have been cheap shot artists through the history of the game, but a lot of them have been talanted players. Bobby Clarke, Kenny Linsemen, Pie McKenzie, Chris Chelios etc.. but nobody has been out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as Ulf. Violence in hockey has got to be curbed and players like (Should have been a Women) Samuelson don't belong. When players like Ulf, who's main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed to continue, and the league won't stop it, the players should. A Christian Pro 1000 aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely. If the Bruins get a chance to meet Pittsburgh in the near future, you can bet Neely will have his day. The sight of watching Ulf turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a Stanely Cup. This wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers in the game. If you are to remove Ulf Samuelson from the lineup, the Penguins would not even notice he's gone. He's an eyesore on the game of hockey. Rich " 5966,19,"From: tph@susie.sbc.com (Timothy P. Henrion) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: susie.sbc.com In article <1993Apr21.093914.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes: >In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes: >> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >>>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, >> >> I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his >> sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. > >I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths? Only my common sense. The fire was caused by either Koresh and his followers or by the FBI/ATF/CIA/KGB/and maybe the Harper Valley PTA. Since you are throwing around the evidence arguement, I'll throw it back. Can you prove any government agency did it? (Please don't resort to ""they covered it up so that proves they did it"" or any wild theories about how the government agencies intentionally started the fire. The key words are proof and evidence.) proves they did it"" > >> All that ""thou shalt not kill"" stuff. > >I'd like to point out that the Bible says ""Do not commit murder."" The NKJ >translation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The Please explain how Koresh was defending himself from those children who burned. -- Tim Henrion Southwestern Bell Technology Resources thenrion@sbctri.sbc.com " 5967,3,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: More Adaptec 1542B problems Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu wrote: : : Okay, here is my configuration: : : 80486-33 Gateway 433C Micronics ISA : 12MB RAM : WD212MB IDE HD ( drive C: ) : ST3144A 125MB IDE HD ( drive D: ) : Adaptec SCSI 1542B controller, with SCSI BIOS enabled : Seagate ST296N 80MB SCSI drive : : Alrighty, when I boot up I get the Adaptec BIOS message, but it says : something like: : : ""Drive C: installed"" : ""Drive D: installed"" : ""ADaptec SCSI BIOS not installed!"" : : And I can't get to the Seagate drive. : : I go into PhoenixBIOS setup, remove the entry for drive D:, and BOOM, I can : access the Seagate. Is there a way to get two IDE drives and the Seagate : at the same time? I have ASPI4DOS.SYS, but it just hangs the system. : : Brian : There is a simple answer. If my memory serves me the scsi bios will only work as the first or second drive. Any ""built-in"" drives e.g. IDE are installed first and then when the scsi bios runs it will try to install as the next drive. But if there are already two drives, then no can do. The solution is simple: use the aspi4dos device driver and disable the scsi bios (as it is useless in your case). It works like a champ! I have seen a similar situation before. Good Luck Gordon Lang " 5968,1,"From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) Subject: MPEG for x-windows MONO needed. Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hello, and thank you for reading this request. I have a Mpeg viewer for x-windows and it did not run because I was running it on a monochrome monitor. I need the mono-driver for mpeg_play. Please post the location of the file or better yet, e-mail me at mlee@eng.sdsu.edu. " 5969,3,"From: ikos@netcom.com (Ikos) Subject: Where can I buy a BIOS? Summary: Just as the subject sez... Keywords: BIOS, motherboard, Phoenix, Mylex, Microtimes Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: ba Lines: 22 I'm in the market to upgrade my BIOS to a Phoenix 1.10 (got a new hard disk, discovered my BIOS doesn't have a ""type 47"") and I would like know where I can purchase one of these things. I checked with the motherboard manufacturer (for the curious-- it's from Mylex), and hearing the $60 figure prompted me to at least try to shop around... Problem is, I don't know where to shop around for something like this. I have heard that there's a BIOS speciality shop in the South Bay and it's been alleged that they advertise in the MicroTimes. Did find the MicroTimes, didn't find the ad or the shop. So, can anybody help me out on this quest? To anybody who replies to this-- Thanks in advance. -Jeff Chan | These are my opinions. It jeff@ikos.com (*not* ikos@netcom.com) | would be quite silly if it ..!netcom!ikos!jeff | was also my company's... " 5970,15,"From: gideon@otago.ac.nz (Gideon King) Subject: Should Christians fight? / Justifiable war Organization: University of Otago Lines: 144 I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and it doesn't seem to have appeared on the newsgroup, and I haven't had a reply from the moderator. We were having intermittent problems with our mail at the time. Please excuse me if you have seen this before... Should Christians fight? Last week Alastair posted some questions about fighting, and whether there are such things as ""justifiable wars"". I have started looking into these things and have jotted down my findings as I go. I haven't answered all his questions yet, and I know what I have here is on a slightly different tack, but possibly I'll be able to get into it more deeply later, and post some more info soon. Our duty to our neighbour: Do good to all men (Gal 6:10) Love our neighbour as ourselves (Matt 22:39) Act the part of the good Samaritan (Luke 10) toward any who may be in trouble. We will therefore render every possible assistance to an injured man, and therefore should not be part of any organisation which causes people harm (even medical corps of the army etc). Christians are by faith ""citizens of the commonwealth of Israel"" (Ephesians 2:11-12), and also recognise that ""God rules in the kingdoms of men"", and therefore we should not be taking part in any of the struggles of those nations which we are not part of due to our faith. We are to be ""strangers and pilgrims"" amongst the nations, so we are just passing through, and not part of any nation or any national aspirations (this can also be applied to politics etc, but that's another story). We are not supposed to ""strive"" or ""resist evil"" (even ""suffer yourselves to be defrauded"") it is therefore incosistent for us to strive to assist in preserving a state which Christ will destroy when he returns to set up God's kingdom. Our duty to the state. ""Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's and unto God the things which be God's"" (Luke 20:25). ""Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God; the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God"" (Rom 13:1-2). ""Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake; whether it be to king as supreme... for so is the will of God that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men"" (1 Pet 2:13-15) These scriptures make it clear that submission to the powers that be is a divine command, but it is equally clear from Acts 5:19-29 that when any ordinance of man runs counter to God's law, we must refuse submission to it. The reason for this is that we are God's ""bond servants"" and His service is our life's task. An example of the type of thing is in Col 3:22-23 where bondservants were to ""work heartily as unto the Lord"" - so also we should work as if our boss was God - i.e. ""Pressed down, shaken together, and running over""... oops - a bit of a side track there... In the contests between the nations, we are on God's side - a side that is not fighting in the battle, but is ""testifying"" to the truth. When we believe in God and embrace His promises, we become ""fellow citizens with the Saints and of the Household of God"", and are no longer interested in associations of the world. Think of this in relation to unions etc as well. Paul tells us to ""lay aside every weight"" that we may run ""the race that is set before us"", and if we are wise, we will discard any association which would retard our progress - ""Thou therefore endure hardness as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier"" (2 Tim 2:3-4). One of these entanglements he warns about is ""be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers"". One of the obvious applications of this is marriage with unbelievers, but it also covers things like business partnerships and any other position where we may form a close association with any person or persons not believing the truth about God (in this case the army). The principle comes from Deut 22:10 - remember that as well as them being different animals of different strengths, one was clean and one unclean under the law. These ideas are strongly stressed in 2 Cor 6:13-18 - I suggest you read this. The yoking also has another aspect - that of servitude, and Jesus says ""take my yoke upon you"", so we are then yoked with Christ and cannot be yoked with unbelievers. We have already seen that we are bondservants of Christ, and Paul says ""become not ye the bondservants of men (1 Cor 7:23 RV). An example from the Old Testament: the question is asked in 2 Chr 19:2 ""Shouldest thou help the ungodly...?"". The situation here is a good example of what happens when you are yoked together with unbelievers. Jehoshaphat was lucky to escape with his life. Here are the facts: 1. He had made an affinity with Ahab, who had ""sold himself to work wickedness before the Lord"" (1 Kings 21:25). 2. When asked by Ahab to form a military alliance, he had agreed and said ""I am as thou art, my people as thy people"" (1 Kings 22:4) - an unequal yoking. 3. He sttod firm in refusing the advice of the false prophets and insisted on hearing the prophet of the Lord (trying to do the right thing), he found that he was yoked and therefore couldn't break away from the evil association he had made. God says to us ""Come out from among them and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you and ye shall be my sons and daughters"" (2 Cor 6:17). This is more or less what I have found out so far - I'm still looking into it, as I don't think I've answered all the questions raised by Alastair yet. Heres a summary and a few things to think about: The Christian in under command. Obedience to this command is an essential factor in his relationship with Christ (John 15:10,14). Total dedication to this course of action is required (Romans 12:1-2). Disobedience compromises the close relationship between Christ and his followers (1 Pet 2:7-8). We are to be separated to God (Rom 6:4). This involves a master-servant relationship (Rom 6:12,16). No man can serve two masters (Matt 6:24,13,14). All that is in the 'Kosmos' is lust and pride - quite opposed to Gos (1 John 2:16). Christs kingdom is not of this world (i.e. not worldly in nature) - if it was, his servants would fight to deliver him. If Christ is our master and he was not delivered by his servants because his kingdom was not of this world, then his servants cannot possibly fight for another master. Strangers and pilgrims have no rights, and we cannot swear allegiance to anyone but God. The servant of the Lord must not war but be gentle to all (2 Tim 2:24) - this does not just apply to war, but also to avoiding strife throughout our lives. There is a war to be waged, not with man's weapons (2 Cor 10:3-4), but with God's armour (Eph6:13-20). I'll probably post some more when I've had time to look into things a bit further. -- Gideon King | Phone +64-3-479 8347 University of Otago | Fax +64-3-479 8529 Department of Computer Science | e-mail gideon@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | Dunedin | NeXT mail preferred! New Zealand | " 5971,1,From: stjohn@math1.kaist.ac.kr (Ryou Seong Joon) Subject: WANTED: Multi-page GIF!! Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 12 Hi!... I am searching for packages that could handle Multi-page GIF files... Are there any on some ftp servers? I'll appreciate one which works on PC (either on DOS or Windows 3.0/3.1). But any package works on Unix will be OK.. Thanks in advance... 5972,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 91 In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: >I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single >line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as >wrap at this university. Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors. The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA commercialization centers; they charge a fee. Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't a flame, jsut a statement. Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do. >>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >>costing people how much fee they add to a project. >I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that >any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can change depending on the customer. >No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee >of the Overhead capital of NASA. Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead. >Nothing that Reston does could not be dont >better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the only place you would find people actually interested in solving the problems and building a station. >Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is >at a place where everything is overhead. When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part of a successful large scale effort. >Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally >demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being >selective with the facts again. The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address the problems until the press published the story. Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns? >If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost >of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your >""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it >for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a >blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport. >Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going >to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to >do so. I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------60 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 5973,4,"From: Sven@Beowulf.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander) Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mac4.jpl.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca>, slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) wrote: > > Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which > will increase the number of serial ports available for use > simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my > Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each > one of the independently. > > If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of > serial devices I can use? > > Any information is appreciated. > > Steven Langlois > slang@bnr.ca The Quadralink by AE is a possibly problematical solution to your needs. I've used one for the last 4 (?) years on my personal system, but a fatal bug has crept into their more recent s/w. The bug only shows up during heavy serial traffic but completely crashes the system (MacsBug can not reboot, time to hit the restart button). AE told me in January that they were aware of and working on fixing the bug which I described to them. Since then they have not answered any of my faxes asking them for a status of the bug-fix. The QL has been great, but for now I have mine sidelined. If you are only going to be using 2400 Baud or less, then you may have no, or very infrequent problems, -Sven " 5974,6,"From: george@cs.umass.edu (KOSHY GEORGE) Subject: WANTED/Summer Housing/Seattle(Univ of Washington) Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 25 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: giane.cs.umass.edu Summer Housing needed-at University of Washington, Seattle. ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi I am looking for a place to stay for the summer at the University of Washington, Seattle, where I would be doing an internship. If any of you from UofW Seattle, has got some kind of space for summer sublet, please send an email/call to me. I expect to start my internship in the first week of June. -Koshy George george@cs.umass.edu Koshy George, 54, Puffton Village, Amherst, MA, 01002. 413-549-7373 H 413-545-2014 O ------------------- " 5975,7,"From: Steve.Green@its.csiro.au (Steve Green) Subject: Any Subaru Liberty owners out there? Article-I.D.: toyland.Steve.Green-060493151309 Organization: ITS Branch, CSIRO, Australia Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: toyland.its.csiro.au I've had my Subaru Liberty 4WD station wagon for about 8 months now. Saying I'm happy with it would be an understatement! Just great. Well built, handles beautifully, plenty of power. I've only had if 'off tar' once. Did a trip over the mountains on a narrow, windy dirt road, often _very dodgey_ in parts. The Subaru did it with ease. I havent had so much fun driving a car for years! Any other owners out there? ************************************************************************ * Steve Green * ""Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa' my hat!"" * * Comms Group * ""That trick never works"" * * ITS Branch * ""Nothin' up my sleeve - PRESTO!"" * * CSIRO Australia * ""No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"" * ************************************************************************ " 5976,3,"From: montuno@physics.su.OZ.AU (Lino Montuno) Subject: CPU Temperature vs CPU Activity ? Nntp-Posting-Host: physics.su.oz.au Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 8 This may be a very naive question but is there any basis for the claim that a CPU will get hotter when a computationally intensive job is running? My friend claims that there will be little difference in the temperature of an idle CPU and a CPU running a computationally intensive job. Lino Montuno " 5977,1,"From: eylerken@stein.u.washington.edu (Ken Eyler) Subject: 3D Animation Station Article-I.D.: shelley.1r75bgINNob9 Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu I am looking for some information about 3D animation stations that are currently on the market. The price of the station can be from 5K-20K, but no more than $20,000.00. Type of workstation doesnt matter (PC, MAC, SGI etc..) . If you use or have bought/looked at one or can suggest your dream machine, then please mail me your configurations. I need the following. 1. Type of station (PC, MAC etc.. ) 2. Expandibilty of the machine. 3. Software that can run on it 4. VTR Controller and/or VTR deck model/name. 5. Vendors names and numbers. Thanks in advance. Ken Eyler eylerken@u.washington.edu The Evergreen State College " 5978,1,"From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: helix.med.unc.edu Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 40 In article 8HC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.160929.696@galki.toppoint.de> ulrich@galki.toppoint.de >writes: >> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF ""version number"" >> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its ""deep philosophical >> significance"". >> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, >> Is this actually how they picked the number 42? > >I'm sure it is, and I am not amused. Every time I read that part of the >TIFF spec, it infuriates me- and I'm none too happy about the >complexity of the spec anyway- because I think their ""arbitrary but >carefully chosen number"" is neither. Additionally, I find their >choice of 4 bytes to begin a file with meaningless of themselves- why >not just use the letters ""TIFF""? > >(And no, I don't think they should have bothered to support both word >orders either- and I've found that many TIFF readers actually >don't.) > >ab Why so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe about its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to help define or critique the spec. Finally, a little numerology: 42 is 24 backwards, and TIFF is a 24 bit image format... Chris --- ********************************************************************* Christopher P. Tully cptully@med.unc.edu Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill CB# 7525 (919) 966-2699 Chapel Hill, NC 27599 ********************************************************************* I get paid for my opinions, but that doesn't mean that UNC or anybody else agrees with them. " 5979,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding (eww, gross) Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 16 In article MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes: > >1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks. >1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks. >2 hours/drink for the rest. In my case it goes down after the first four, because the fifth one usually makes me throw up the last two. Needless to say, I don't drink very much anymore, as the last time that happened was in the second year of my undergrad. I was a silly .edu breath, and pretty bad breath at that. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 5980,10,"From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) Subject: Re: Expansion Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK Lines: 33 In article patrick@blanco.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes: >On Fri, 2 Apr 1993 22:05:16 GMT, vamwendt@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Michael Wendt) said >>16. Albany (New York), Boise (Idaho)--A couple of cities with fair interest >>but size and closeness to other teams is a question. >Albany has their AHL franchise (though it goes by the Capital District label), >but Boise? Forget it. The CHL made an attempt at that part of the country in >1983-84, with a franchise in Great Falls -- and no one showed up. Folks up in >that part of the PNW just aren't interested in hockey. Hey Patrick, the Montana Magic played in Billings, not Great Falls... >--PLH, I know where I'd put the next two NHL expansion teams: Phoenix and >Houston, assuming the Whalers don't pack up and move in the meantime... Marc, Phoenix and Houston it is... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _ _ _____ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ - - /____/ ............................................................................... Marc Foster, r.s.h contact for the Oklahoma City Blazers, 1993 Central Hockey University of Oklahoma Geography Department League Adams Cup Internet: mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu Champions mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu To be placed on the CHL Mailing List, send email to either address above. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5981,3,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Distribution: world Lines: 55 In article <1qmgtrINNf2a@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: >DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >>In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: >>>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, >>>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has >>>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" >>I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: >>performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual >>performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a >>statement is absurd: >>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. >>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. >>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. >>ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) >By your OWN data the ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI"" is correct (How is 0-40 twice 1.25? Do you just pick whatever SCSI setup that makes the statment ""correct""?) Even if you could make such a statement it would be meaningless unless you understood that ESDI and IDE (I include SCSI and ATA) are completely different (ESDI is device-level, like MFM/RLL). >With a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB/s which is indeed >""20% faster than IDE"" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been Great, you can compare two numbers (ATA has several speed modes, by the way) but what the article said was misleading/wrong. >posted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on >sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as >mac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)} I would recommend people call the NCR board and download the ANSI specs if they are really interested in this stuff. >Part of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI >is which. Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip >an Apple salesperson said ""it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip"" {Not at a 6MB/s, >10MB/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB/s maximum synchronous and Quadra >uses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER} It seems that Mac and IBM see Something is missing there. :) Anyway, I agree. There's a lot of opportunity for marketing jingo like ""SCSI-2 compliant"" which tells you nothing about the performance, whether it has ""WIDE"" support, etc. >One reference for the Quadra's SCSI-2 controller chip is >(Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)). What does it use? Hopefully a good NCR chip (e.g. 53c710) " 5982,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 66 Please realize that I am frequently getting in trouble for straying from orthodoxy, but here is my opinion: In article , mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: > ... Moreover the Buddha says that we are > intrinsically good (as against Christ's ""we are all sinners""). I never thought of these two ideas being ""against"" each other. People might quibble about what ""intrinsically"" means but the reason we are sinners is because we do not behave as good as we are. The message of Christ is that each of us are not only good, but great, that we can approach perfection, albeit perhaps through a different technique than you claim Buddhism teaches. Because we do not realize our greatness, we sin. Peter had no problem walking on water until a little doubt crept in. Doesn't David ask in the 8th Psalm ""what is man that you [God] should care for him, but you have made him just a little lower than the angels""? I probably exagerate in my mind what a scrawny little kid David was, just as I probably exagerate what a gigantic monster Goliath was, but David's power easily defeated Goliath's. Remember the rich young man who comes up to Jesus and asks what he can do to enter the Kingdom, Jesus says follow the commandments. I always picture the smug look on his face as he says he's done that his whole life, probably anticipating an ""attaboy"" from the Messiah. Instead Jesus gives him a harder task, sell everything and follow Him. Jesus is raising the bar. The desciples say how can anyone do this if it's so hard even for rich people. Jesus says anyone can do it, with God's help. Jesus says not only can we avoid killing people, we can avoid getting angry at people. Not only can we avoid committing adultery, we can control our own desires. I realize this was not your main point, but I wonder how other people see this. > ... > Parting Question: > Would you have become a Christian if you had not > been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about > any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim > you are brain washed. (Please forgive any generalizations I am about to make.) Your point about how ""hard"" other religions are is a good one, just as your ""Parting Question"" is a tough question. I think that Muslims worship the same God as I do, we can learn from their name ""submission"". Hindus and Buddhists and Taoists, etc. claim that ""God"" is impersonal. Is God personal or impersonal? I say yes, but if I think a little more my answer is whichever is greater. I think it is greater to be a personal entity, with an individual consciousness, but you're right that that might be a cultural bias. If I think more I must admit that God's personal nature is as far beyond my conception as His impersonal nature is beyond the Hindu's conception. If somehow Jesus could fit into Hindu cosmology then maybe I wouldn't have a problem, though that is hard to imagine. Are there any former (or present) ""Eastern Religion"" members here who could comment? Chris Mussack " 5983,2,"From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 67 In article angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) writes: >In article leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: >>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >>>In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >>>> >>>>Dear friend, >>>> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. >>> >>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >>>as orthogonal is CISC. >>> >>>-- >> >>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone >>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. >>Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, >>but that's another story...) >> >>bye! >> > >Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell >them all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the >pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs >cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not >even on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2) >about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND >reordered its instruction itself so I'm not 100% sure, but I think the T800 was a 25MHz transputer? so ya tie a gazillion of them together to get 100mips. (The newest is the T9000 which kicks anyone's butt :)... haven't seen them used much though). Anyway, to respond, I think the Pentium (CISC) is better than the more advanced RISC (e.g., like the alpha, etc. the 66MHz Pentium has approximately the same ""performance"" as the superduper 133MHz Alpha - here, performance is the weird Specint92 that everyone refers to? - this is what I *heard* - the Alpha still kicks in the P5's butt in fp - again, this is what I *heard*). and in the computing world, if you sell lots of chips (like intel), and make it faster (like intel), you are the winner (like intel), even though you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago (like intel :0). If you can make a ""CISC"" chip (superscalar, superduperpipelined, superfast) with the ideas behind the ""RISC"" ideology, you got a CISC chip. And then I admit I can't see the advantages of RISC over CISC... If the latest technology is a generation behind, then it sucks (relatively speaking). Now I may sound like I like intel, but I'll have to say that the P5 is some real kick butt pile of Si and SiO2... But I hope that Motorola really catches up with the 68K line... or I'm gonna start crying... brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian ""Hojo"" Lee | ""Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?"" leebr@ecf.toronto.edu | leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5984,11,"From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 59 In article rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) writes: > >geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes: >>Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were >>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the >>new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and >>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay >>the body at the proper door to start with. > >The final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result >would have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported >this plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so >obviously doing. I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton >administration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it >and brought it to fruition. [...] (the date I have for this is 1-26-93) note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. --- cut here --- WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh start, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation of Police Commisioners convention in Washington. In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural, Clinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make everything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical purposes this war is only beginning now.'' He repeatedly emphasized his view that ``regardless of what has been tried, or who has tried it, or how long they've been trying it, this is Day One to me.'' The audience at the convention, whose theme is ``How do we spell fiscal relief? F-O-R-F-E-I-T-U-R-E,'' interrupted Clinton frequently with applause. Clinton's program, presented in the speech, follows the outline given in his campaign position papers: a cabinet-level Drug Czar and ``boot camps'' for first-time youthful offenders. He did, however, cover in more detail his plans for improved enforcement methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' Clinton expressed optimism that the drug war can be won ``because even though not everyone voted for Bill Clinton last November, everyone did vote for a candidate who shares my sense of urgency about fighting the drug menace. The advocates of legalization -- the advocates of surrender -- may be very good at making noise,'' Clinton said. ``But when the American people cast their ballots, it only proved what I knew all along -- that the advocates of surrender are nothing more than a microscopic fringe.'' " 5985,13,"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: > >What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings >from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this >specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic >phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of >hypothesizing. And has been rather thoroughly demolished as myth by Robert Scott Root- Bernstein. See his book, ""Discovering"". Ring structures for benzene had been proposed before Kekule', after him, and at the same time as him. The current models do not resemble Kekule's. Many of the predecessors of Kekule's structure resemble the modern model more. I don't think ""extra-scientific"" is a very useful phrase in a discussion of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. Extra-rational is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. For example, Pasteur discovered that racemic acid was a mixture of enantiomers (the origin of stereochemistry) partly because he liked a friend's crank theory of chemical action. The friend was wrong, but Pasteur's discovery stood. A prior investigator (Mitscherlich), looking at the same phenomenon, had missed a crucial detail; presumably because he lacked Pasteur's motivation to find something that distinguished racemic acid from tartaric (now we say: d-tartaric) acid. Again, Pasteur discovered the differential fermentation of enantiomers (tartaric acid again) not because of some rational conviction, but because he was trying to produce yeast that lived on l-tartaric acid. His notebooks contained fantasies of becoming the ""Newton of mirror-image life,"" which he never admitted publically. Perhaps the best example is the discovery that DNA carries genes. Avery started this work because of one of his students, and ardent Anglophile and Francophobe Canadian, defended Fred Griffiths' discoveries in mice. Most of Griffiths' critics were French, which decided the issue for the student. Avery told him to replicate Griffiths' work in vitro, which the student eventually did, whereupon Avery was convinced and started the research program which, in 15 or so years, produced the famous discovery (Avery, MacLeod, and McCarty, JEM 1944). -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu " 5986,3,"From: tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao) Subject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 28 goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >Can anyone tell me if this card works with the March OS/2 2.1 beta? I believe so, since the Buslogic cards have proven to be very reliable in OS/2 2.0.... >Where do I get OS/2 drivers? Endusers (not OEM manufactures) will get all the software package with the card which includes drivers for Novell, OS/2, Unix & Xenix and so forth. >Does this card work with the Toshiba 3401B cdrom? (in DOS or OS/2) Definitely. >Here is my setup: >quantam SCSI hd >toshiba 3401B cdrom >I'm considering the 542B because I have been told BusLogic's support is >better than Adaptecs and that the 542B performs better than the 1542C. >Anyways, I just want to know if the 542B will work in OS/2 & DOS with my >above peripheals. >Thank you extremely much for any and all replies. " 5987,12,"From: Wayne Alan Martin Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1pqk9b$ib4@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> Sounds like a job for a universal time reciever. I don't know the logisitics of the situation, but if you could just place a reciever in snow and place the oscillator in a nice lab somewhere else, your problems should be solved. Just a suggestion. Wayne Martin " 5988,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 226 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu writes: >>Many people would probably think (especially if the fanatics propogandized >>this) that this was a conflict between the atheists and the religious. >>Many would get the impression that we were trying to outlaw religion, if >>we contintue to try to remove all things with a religious reference. >That's not what the people I've asked think. Perhaps you would be right >if you said the fundamentalists would think this way; after all, they think >they are being oppressed when they are not allowed to oppress. However, >you have not shown where you get this idea that 'many' people would >'probably' think it's atheism vs. religion, winner take all. As far as I can >tell, it is your groundless prediction that this will happen. But you haven't taken into the account of propoganda. Remember, if you asked Germans before WWII if the Jews shoudl be slaughtered, they would probably answer no, but, after the propoganda machine rolled through, at least some were able to tolerate it. You see, it only takes a small group of fanatics to whip up a general frenzy. >>THe propoganda machines have been in gear over a number of issues, including >>abortion and gays... look at some of the things that have happened. >Well, so far they have passed one amendment, which is currently under >intense scrutiny, and they have failed to outlaw abortion, which is their >prime goal on that issue. Yep, they seem sooo effective. Sure. Well, they haven't managed to outlaw abortion due to the possible objectivity of the courts. But, they have managed to create quite a few problems for people that wanted to have an abortion. They could create similar problems for us. And, it could be worse. They can try to stop abortions by blocking clinics, etc., but imagine what they'd have to do to stop atheism. >>>>Besides, the margin of error is very large when you only talk to two people. >>>Better than your one, that is, your opinion. Also, I have branched >>>out and the informal survey is up over half a dozen now. >>And, what have they said? Were you questions unbiased? >Keith, you would claim that my questions are biased the minute I posted >them, because the answers agreed with me. Everyone I have asked about >the possible removal of the motto (the christian portion) has expressed >regret about its loss, because they like it. However, when it is pointed >out to them that a new motto will not be in the works, none have expressed >the desire to rape, murder, pillage, etc., which you have basically claimed. So, you are able to convince them individually, but could you convince a whole room of them? A whole nation? >As for the atheist portion (I know some around here), they have all >expressed disgust with the motto. Some noted being harassed by christians >who used the motto to try to seem justified. And all would see it gone. Yes, I'd be glad if it were gone to. I've never supported it. However, I think that it is a minor problem that can be easily ignored, contrasted with what *could* happen (an what may be likely). >>Which Christians designed the motto? Does the motto say anything about >>Jesus? Why do you think that it refers *only* to Christians? >Christians wrote it; christians think that their religion is right, and >all others are wrong; therefore, why would they 'include' other religions >in the realm of being correct? I doubt that any other religions were meant >to be included. Well, I am not clear on the religious convictions of Francis Scott Key (the motto can be attributed to him), but it is at least clear that he believed in a god. And, surely there are a few Christians that think as you say, but I don't think that most do. Do you think that all Christians actively despise other religions? Most that I have met haven't and don't do so. >>>No christian >>>that I have queried thinks it means anything but them, and only them. >>Why not ask some people of other faiths? >Sorry, I would, but christianity is just so awfully popular around here. >Suppose you could ask a few people? Well, I have asked a Hindu, Moselem, and a few Jews, and all of them think that it is applicable to them. Of course, I can't say that these people (just some that I know pretty well) are accurate representations of their faiths. >>It is always a good idea to assume that there were dissenting views on any >>given issue. You are assuming that all the views were the same, and nothing >>leads to this conclusion. >Without evidence to the contrary, I doubt that there were dissenting >opinions. You claim there were. Provide some evidence for your assertion. Well, I'd really like to, and I've tried, but I really don't know where to get access to _Congressional Records_ from the 1950's. Can anyone help out here? >Comparing christians to Nazis? Interesting. Only in the sense that neither can probably convinced to change their beliefs. >>>>No, again, the motto on the money doesn't cost you anything extra. However, >>>>if you abolished the motto, we'd all have to pay to have all the dies and >>>>plates redone. >>>Like people paid before to get them changed to have the motto on them. >>You now need to show that there is a good reason to change everything again. >... Also, I doubt that they use th3 >same plates for more than a year's printing; this would make it easy >to remove the motto (simply make next year's plates without it). Your >claim, evidently, is that they will have to pay extra somewhere. >Provide some evidence for this assertion. So, are you saying that they redesign the plates each year? Anyway, your whole argument (conveniently deleted I see) was that the motto somehow costs us all a lot of money. This is just not correct. >>The ones I read didn't mention anything about Jesus. I think the issue was >>concerning the distinction between religion and not. >How could it be between religious and not religious? The motto >refers to god; it is a religious motto. The question is whether or >not it is only christian. You say it is more. I doubt this. Provide >some evidence for this assertion. That is to say, the religion of this country, and the non-religion of the USSR. That was what most of those quotes were about, and some included all atheists, in general, as well. I don't think that any of the quotes (although I seem to have lost them) mentioned anything at all about Jesus. They advocated religion over non-religion. A specific religion was not mentioned. >>You have missed this point. I said that the motto didn't say anything >>about anyone in particular. That is, the motto doesn't imply anything >>about *your* particular beliefs. It doesn't say that everyone trusts >>in some form of god, only that the nation on the whole does. >We have been through this before. It's obvious it does not include me; >this much is beyond doubt. Your claim, again, is that the motto refers >to more than christians. Based on the facts that christianity says all >other religions are wrong, and because it seems that the motto was >written by christians, I doubt your claim. So, you are saying that all Christians must believe that all other religions should be outlawed, just because they think they are wrong? That's silly. I think the Flat-Earthers are wrong, but I don't advocate their banishment. >[...] Based on this idea I doubt that any additional expense would >even be incurred by removing the motto. Provide some evidence for your >claim that it would. I think that any such cost would be insignificant. I mentioned the slight cost because you said that the motto was costing us a lot of money by being on our currency. >Disregarding the digression of the other motto...If it is used for >harassment, and no other purpose has been found for it, why should >it not be removed? Well, mottos in general don't really have purposes... I don't think it should be removed because I think the benefit would be outweighed by the consequences. >>And do you know what the vote was? Were there other opinions? Do you >>think that the main reason the motto was required by law was to bother >>atheists? Do you think that this is what the majority of congress at >>the time had in mind? If you do, then show why. >Again, it is the opinion of the people who put it there that I am >concerned with. Then you should be concerned with the opinion of the entire congress. >Again, it is not necessary that the complete majority >shared the purpose of confronting 'godless Communism' with this motto. Why not? It is the majority that put it there. >>The general public probably does not know about the anti-atheist intent >>of a few people in the 50's either. >I daresay more people remember the 50's than the time when Key wrote >the anthem. But do they remember the debate surrounding the motto? Do they remember that some people intended it to be a message against atheists? Why don't you include this in your little survey that you were conducting? [...] >You claim here that scientists would believe someone's claims. I doubt >this. Provide evidence for your assertion. What? Should I ask some scientists the probability that something Einstein said about relativity is worthy? I mean, if Einstein said it, there's a good chance that it was right (at least at the time). >As for the courts, the >method scientists use can be applied. I need not agree with the court >by default because of a 'good record.' You need not agree with them all of the time, but you would certainly think that their decisions would be good evidence in favor of some point. >>What? But you said you didn't agree with the court because they ""allowed >>Congress to attempt to make an amendment prohibiting flag burning."" If >>you don't realize that something like this is external to the realm of >>the court's power, then how can I be confident that you know *anything* >>about the court's powers? I mean, if you don't know how the court works, >>how can you participate in a discussion of the court? >A judge can go to speak before Congress. And still you ignore the >abortion gag rule, as you make your claims on abortion. No, I think that it would be clearly inappropriate for a Supreme Court Justice to testify before Congress during the consideration of a Constitutional Amendment. And, in order for the Court to rule on something, a case usually must be presented. >>Mushrooms, flowers, trees, buildings, signs, whatever... the analogy is >>the same. Just because something that I might find offensive is present >>doesn't mean that my rights are being violated. >We are talking about something put there by people, Keith...not >a mushroom. No one caused that mushroom to exist, unless you're >finding things offensive in a mushroom farm. Yes, some mushrooms can be planted. And, I don't appreciate mushrooms on my pizza, either. >This is not the case >with the motto. And you're ignoring the harassment which is the >only known result of the motto, and you're ignoring that somewhere >along the line people were forced to put the motto there. Who was forced to put the motto there? What do you mean? keith " 5989,9,"From: shippert@cco.caltech.edu (Tim Shippert) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: >One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't >yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this >situation: >However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a runner >legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for advancing too >early? The runner can leave his base at any time. If the ball is caught, he's got to tag up. If it isn't caught, he _doesn't_ have to tag up at all. So, if he's feeling lucky, your runner at second can sprint for glory as soon as the ball is popped up. If it isn't caught, he's probably scored a run. If it is, he's probably headed for AAA. The only effect the infield fly has is to make the batter out, thereby removing the force on the runners on base. All other rules apply, as if you were standing second with first open and the ball is popped up. -- Tim Shippert shippert@cco.caltech.edu ""If we are going to stick to this damned quantum-jumping, then I regret that I ever had anything to do with quantum theory."" -E. Schrodinger " 5990,8,"From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) Subject: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES Summary: Bike movies Keywords: movies Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa Organization: Calvin College Lines: 21 Folks, I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project. Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man, Raising Arizona, etc). Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated. (BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary) Thanx -Erc. _______________________________________________________________________________ C Eric Sundheim csundh30@ursa.Calvin.edu GrandRapids, MI, USA `90 Hondo VFR750f DoD# 1138 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 5991,3,"From: rmoskal@panix.com (Robert Moskal) Subject: Volante Warp 10 board Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 11 I've been troubleshooting the existence of way too many General Protection Faults on a 486-33, Eisa-VLB, system. At this point I think I've narrowed the problem down to the video drivers for the Volante Warp-10 adapter by National Design, INc. Yet somehow I find this hard to believe. Does anyone else have any experiences with this board. Thanx, Robert Moskal Brooklyn, USA " 5992,1,"From: schultz@schultz.kgn.ibm.com (Karl Schultz) Subject: Re: VESA standard VGA/SVGA programming??? Reply-To: schultz@vnet.ibm.com Organization: IBM AWS Graphics Systems Keywords: vga Lines: 45 |> 1. How VESA standard works? Any documentation for VESA standard? The VESA standard can be requested from VESA: VESA 2150 North First Street, Suite 440 San Jose, CA 95131-2029 Ask for the VESA VBE and Super VGA Programming starndards. VESA also defines local bus and other standards. The VESA standard only addresses ways in which an application can find out info and capabilities of a specific super VGA implementation and to control the video mode selection and video memory access. You still have to set your own pixels. |> 2. At a higher resolution than 320x200x256 or 640x480x16 VGA mode, |> where the video memory A0000-AFFFF is no longer sufficient to hold |> all info, what is the trick to do fast image manipulation? I |> heard about memory mapping or video memory bank switching but know |> nothing on how it is implemented. Any advice, anyone? VESA defines a ""window"" that is used to access video memory. This window is anchored at the spot where you want to write, and then you can write as far as the window takes you (usually 64K). Windows have granularities, so you can't just anchor them anywhere. Also, some implementations allow two windows. |> 3. My interest is in 640x480x256 mode. Should this mode be called |> SVGA mode? What is the technique for fast image scrolling for the |> above mode? How to deal with different SVGA cards? This is VESA mode 101h. There is a Set Display Start function that might be useful for scrolling. |> Your guidance to books or any other sources to the above questions |> would be greatly appreciated. Please send me mail. Your best bet is to write VESA for the info. There have also been announcements on this group of VESA software. -- Karl Schultz schultz@vnet.ibm.com These statements or opinions are not necessarily those of IBM " 5993,17,"From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) Subject: Ten questions about Israel Lines: 55 Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500349:000:1868 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 19 14:38:00 1993 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Ten questions about Israel Ten questions to Israelis ------------------------- I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to provide accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by people around me. 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as Israelis ? 2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be ? 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, could you provide any evidence ? 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of individuals which were tried in secret and for which their identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are state secrets ? 5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews? 6. Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48 to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ? 7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in Bosnia-Herzegovina ? 8. Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as members in kibbutzim? 9. Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage marriages between Jews and non-Jews ? 10. Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the site of a muslim cemetery ? Thanks, Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is " 5994,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base >this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly >of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), >almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or >believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see >that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on >a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it >it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values >such as this exist. You have only shown that a vast majority ( if not all ) would agree to this. However, there is nothing against a subjective majority. In any event, I must challenge your assertion. I know many societies- heck, many US citizens- willing to trade freedom for ""security"". --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. " 5995,4,"From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) Subject: Re: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet. Organization: NSWC Lines: 32 In article <1qpn8uINNjs8@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu>, bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Ben Chuang) wrote: > > Here is the story: > I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an > Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh > I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected > to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem. > > Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT, > and then telnet out again to the rest of the world. > > What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that > will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT > via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do > the trick. > > Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that > there aren't going to be any. > > Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet > out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers > to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well... > What you need is a hardware router such as EtherRoute/TCP made by Compatable Systems ($1400). This will allow you to connect your Localtalk network (4 Macs) to your Ethernet network (NeXT and Ethernet Mac). It will route TCP/IP protocol between the two networks. Software routers are also available for less money, but I'm not sure if they work with TCP/IP. Paul " 5996,12,"From: billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) Subject: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 22 I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks. My question is: Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help! Thanks! -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Bill Quinn billq@ms.uky.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* " 5997,10,"From: 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Stop predicting Organization: University of Western Ont, London Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu>, cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes: > > It is really annoying to see all of these > predictions on the Net. Who really cares > who you think will win? Please stop with > the predictions, we all know the Caps are > going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. > > In the words of Doktor Kultur, in the Ottawa Citizen, ""Remember to unhook the Nitrous Oxide before you leave the Dentist Chair!"" 8^) GO JETS (for once, in the playoffs, please, I beg of you...) Paul Badertscher 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca " 5998,15,"From: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: Re: Christian Parenting Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 83 Sorry for posting this, but my e-mail keeps bouncing. Maybe it will help others here, anyway, and therefore I pray others will read this. It is actually a response from my Aunt, who has 5 kids, since I have none yet. >Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into >young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of >children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating >information on discipline within the Christian home. > >Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me >your response to the following questionaire. All responses >will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare >stats. I'm posting this for a good Christian relative who does not have e-mail access. Since this aunt and uncle have 5 kids I felt they would be more relevant than I, who have none (yet). >1. Ages & sexes of children 13-year-old (13YO) twins, 10YO boy, 6.5YO boy, 2YO girl >2. Do you spank your kids? I don't call it spanking, but they do, so yes, very rarely. >3. If so how often? I don't call it spanking because it's more of a reaction to something very dangerous, such as trying to stick their finger in a fan or running into the road. Maybe 3-4 times for each except for the 2YO girl, who has not been spanked yet. They call it that because it *does* hurt their feelings, and of course I give all the hugs and stuff to ensure they know they're still loved. >4. Do you use an implement to spank with? No, that would be too painful. If it's too traumatic they never recall why they were punished. Besides, it must be immediate, and taking the time to go get a toolmeans you're not doing it right away, and that lessens the impact. It's very emotional for a child as it is - which is evidenced by the fact that a little slap on the rear - which hurts for perhaps 5 seconds - is called a spanking. > >5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use? Lots of logical consequences - for instance, when 4YO Matthew dared a good friend to jump out of his treehouse or he would push him out, I made sure they didn't play together for 5 days so he'd know that would make him lose friends very quickly. He's never done anything like that since. We also use time-out in their rooms - I use a timer so they don't keep arguing with me over leaving, since it's hard to argue with a macine. I will go to the closed door and tell them timeout won't be over until they calm down if they're too tantrumy. I use the top of the stairs when they're really young. >6. Your age? 40 >7. Your location Bath, Ohio. It's right outside of Akron, in the northeast part of Ohio. >8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal >offence? No, and none of my kids would dream of it. I hope you can use this to teach all parents that physical punishment isn't always required - parents use that as an excuse to hit too hard. >9. How ere you disciplined as a kid Lots of timeouts, same as I use. Our family and my husband's have never used spankings. In fact, my grandmother in law was one of 11 kids, and they were almost never spanked. This was around the turn of the century. And, none of us has ever been afoul of the law - man-made or God's law. Jesus says, referring to a small child whom he is holding, that ""what ye do to the least of these, ye do also to me."" The Bible also says in all things to be kind, and merciful, and especially loving. (Colossians 3:12-15.) There is no room for selfish anger, which I'll admit I've been tempted with at times. When I've felt like spanking hard in anger, maybe the kid deserved a little slap on the rear, but what I would have given would have been the devil's work. I could feel the temptation, and just angrily ordered the kid to his/her room and went to my room myself. After praying and asking God's forgiveness, I was much calmer, and did not feel like spanking, but felt that what I had done was enough punishment. -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: ""Mommys and Daddys & other Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"" " 5999,18,"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: Reserve officers say demographics ignored in nominations to close naval, marine reserve centers Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 53 Here is a press release from the Reserve Officers Association. Reserve Officers Say Demographics Ignored in Nominations to Close Naval, Marine Reserve Centers To: National Desk, Defense Writer Contact: Herbert M. Hart of the Reserve Officers Association of the United States, 202-479-2258 WASHINGTON, April 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Reserve Officers Association of the United States has alerted the Defense Base Realignment and Closure Commission that the services failed to give sufficient weight to demographics in recommendations made to close 56 Naval and Marine Corps Reserve centers. In letters to the closure commission and to all 86 members of Congress with affected locations in their constituencies, including Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, ROA charged that the developers of the Navy-Marine list ignored demographics of the civilian population, particularly prior service personnel. ROA's executive director, Maj. Gen. Evan L. Hultman, AUS (Ret.), suggested ""concern that the only plausible alternative is that they are intentionally attempting to foreclose the Naval Reserve components from maintaining even today's relatively low level of participation in their parent service's Total Force of the future."" He asked the commission ""to remove from consideration all locations without sufficient and convincing demographic data to warrant approval of the requested action."" ""Only a few of the 56 Naval and Marine Corps Reserve installations on this list are large enough to have a significant impact on the community, if closed,"" wrote Hultman. ""The major issue is the cumulative impact of moving or closing such a large percentage of the existing locations."" Hultman reminded the commission, ""The fact that the vast majority of the Reserve installations on this list do not come close to meeting the minimal requirements for consideration in this process certainly supports the thesis"" that these actions are simply an attempt to foreclose a substantial role for the Navy and Marine Corps Reserve. ROA also noted ""that at the end of the 1960s, when the number of Naval Reservists was approximately the same as today, there were 480 Naval Reserve facilities. If the Navy recommendations are approved, there will be less than 200 Naval Reserve facilities."" Facilities on the list include seven Naval Air Stations ranging from South Weymouth, Mass., to Alameda, Calif., 28 Naval Reserve Centers in Macon, Ga., and Parkersburg, W.Va., to Missoula and Great Falls. Mont. Naval/Marine Corps Reserve Centers include four in San Francisco, Fort Wayne, Ind., Billings, Mont., and Abilene, Texas. A major Marine Reserve Center on the list is that at El Toro, Calif., plus six others. -30- -- Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ndallen@r-node.hub.org " 6000,7,"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 75 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca Keywords: R12, R-12, freon, CFC, greenhouse News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr19.220321.4565@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes... #In article <1993Apr16.160825.25622@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rapw20@email.sps.mot.com writes: #>In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com> #>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: #>> ... #>> Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for #>> R12. You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning #>Society #>> (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per #>> retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash #>those #>> R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very #>shaky #>> technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst). #>> ... #> #>Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes #>exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies #>keep us all from getting. # # It sounds crazy, but it's true. One of the best R-12 subsitutes, #GHG-12, is currently a commercial product. Unfortunately, the SAE committee #on mobile air conditioning is comprised almost exclusively of MACS members. #Such being the case, no papers about any alternative refrigerant other than #R-134a have been accepted for review/publication. # # Yo, John? You want to provide some more details? Or should I just #repost your voluminous repost? # #Later, #-- #Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady #behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike #Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name #agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. We here are *VERY* interested in info on R12 substitutes (in fact I think we really need all the info on this we can get). I would really appreciate technical, supply, and hardware-upgrade details. Also, R12 is a useful solvent/reagent in the extraction/production of certain pharmaceuticals. Any info on the substitutes' corresponding usefullness? I am currently working with the local engineers who are making sure we are compliant with the regulations. The trouble with regulations is that they only tell you what you are no longer permitted to do, not what you should do instead. I think the cause of the new regulations is the Montreal Protocol which has a definite CFC-phase-out schedule. (Of course the cause of the Montreal Protocol was all the research done on the causes of the Ozone Depletion Problem.) Someone asked earlier about why the governments were working so fast to ban the ozone-depleting (CFC) chemicals and not gasolines and other greenhouse-gas-producing compounds. The greenhouse effect (produced by infrared-trapping gasses like CO2 and methane) and the ozone-hole problem (produced by long-lived, chlorine-containing molecules) are not the same thing. It is a lot easier to do something about not using the CFC's (chloro-fluorocarbons) than it is to stop producing CO2 and methane which are natural byproducts of combustion and of living (animal) organisms. Planting more trees and not destroying so many existing trees would help the greenhouse-gas problem, but would do nothing for the ozone problem. Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. " 6001,13,"From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm) Subject: Re: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com I had allergy shots for about four years starting as a sophomore in high school. Before that, I used to get bloody noses, nighttime asthma attacks, and eyes so itchy I couldn't get to sleep. After about 6 months on the shots, most of those symptoms were gone, and they haven't come back. I stopped getting the shots (due more to laziness than planning) in college. My allergies got a little worse after that, but are still nowhere near as bad as they used to be. So yes, the shots do work. " 6002,12,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: help - how to constru Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Lines: 27 >Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote: >: My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was >: wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to >: construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember seei >: the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good >: electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were. >: >: Thank you in advance. >I remember watching a whole ""Mr. Wizzard"" program on this subject when >I was a kid. The battery constructed on the program which made the >biggest impression on me, and generated the most power, was made using >a galvanized bucket (for the zinc) and a copper toilet tank float. The >electrolyte was sauerkraut! Take a lemon. Stick a copper strip into the lemon. Stick a galvanized nail in about 1 to 1-1/2 inches from the copper strip. You should get about 1/2 volt from it - enough to light an LED. * SLMR 2.1 * Support your medical examiner, die strangely. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 6003,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: 30826 Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.151108.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu I like option C of the new space station design.. It needs some work, but it is simple and elegant.. Its about time someone got into simple construction versus overly complex... Basically just strap some rockets and a nose cone on the habitat and go for it.. Might be an idea for a Moon/Mars base to.. Where is Captain Eugenia(sp) when you need it (reference to russian heavy lifter, I think). == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 6004,6,"From: PXY@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Pen-Li Yen) Subject: Slide projectors trade for photo equipments Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab Lines: 17 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: eclx.psu.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 There are many people want to buy my Kodak autofocus carousel projectors but I don't have lenses or remote to sell. They prefer to buy a projector with all accessaries. So I have to post another news asking for lenses to fit those Kodak slide projectors: I am willing to give away Singer Caramate II or Singer Caramete SP ( w/ built-in unremovable lens, built-in casette player, speaker, new 500 HR bulb) try to trade for Kodak projector lenses. Each projector (viewer) will equal trade for 1 or 2 Kodak projector lenses depend on the focal length. I will pay for the shipping for Singer projector (viewer). Since I don't need those Singer projectors, if you have some 35mm SLR system you don't need, I am willing to do the trade as well. Yuesea " 6005,2,"From: ad060@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Waschkowski) Subject: Re: File Manager problem Reply-To: ad060@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Waschkowski) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 29 In a previous article, mrw54660@eng-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Whitchurch) says: >Whenever I start File Manager, the status bar is not displayed, >even though it is selected in the options menu. If I deselect it, >then select it again, the bar appears. Anyone have any ideas why >this is happening? No, not really. It may be that your winfile.ini has gotten corrupted for some unknown reason. Have you tried re-creating it by either 1.exiting filemanager with the save setting option on when the status bar is visible, or 2.double clicking on the Control menu(the one with minimize and maximize in in) when everything looks proper? If you have, and it still doesn't work, you may want to delete your winfile.ini and try one of these two saving procedures again to totally recreate the file from scratch. Good luck! Mark Waschkowski -- " 6006,8,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs.. Keywords: air pump Distribution: na Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 58 In article jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes: > >If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust >pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the >exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder. I guess >there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out >but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the >canister. Meaning: would gases ""so far"" down the line (the canister) >really have an effect on the exhaust stroke? Do the gases really >compress that much? For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses in the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture. 1. Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_. At the time the intake valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric. As the piston decends on the intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract. At no time does the pressure ever become ""negative"", or even approach a good vacuum. 2. At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the combustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up to the first major flow restriction (the muffler). Note that the volume of gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume that must flow through the intake, because of the temperature difference and the products of combustion. 3. In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started paying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty horsepower. At this point in time, on high-performance bikes, substitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost zero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very well anyway. Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make very little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is _much_ louder than the stocker. 4. On older bikes, exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor. If free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference was noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well. 5. In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump. At any given RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it on the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower. Pumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6007,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades Organization: University of Washington Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I have read one report of a brave soul who rewired the 40 mhz clock and a higher speed clock oscillator's outputs through a double throw switch to allow different speeds. There was no mention of any attempts to switch speeds on the fly but if the SI uses timing loops anything like a Quadra for accessing its floppy drive, dynamic switching will wreak havoc. A Quadra must reboot after having its clock speed significantly changed or it will be unable to properly access its floppy drive. " 6008,2,"Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini From: Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu Distribution: world Organization: Sonoma State University Nntp-Posting-Host: computer_ctr.sonoma.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1 Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.220556.19652@news.uit.no> Svein Pedersen, sp@odin.fna.no writes: >Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need. > >I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini >files for Windows. >The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows. > >I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. > >Do I find it on any FTP host? > > Svein > If you are managing PC's on a Novell network, get the network management tools provided by either Sabre Software or Automated Design Systems. Among the many features, you'll find utilities that can help you to manage .INI files stored on users' workstations or home directories. This is commercial software and well worth the money. To date, I have not found ANYTHING available via FTP that could compare. Reply to the address in my .SIG for more info. ---------------------------------- Stephen Gibson, System Support Specialist Sonoma State University eMAIL: gibsonst@sonoma.edu Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu " 6009,13,"From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Subject: Poisoning with heavy water (was Re: Too many MRIs?) Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK Lines: 61 In article <1993Apr19.043654.13068@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: >> >>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? >> > >I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of >'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't >show up in any chemical test. No one else seems to know, so I'll post this. This topic came up on sci.physics.fusion shortly after the cold-fusion flap started. As I recall, its been done to some experimental mice. They showed various ill effects and eventually died. The reason is that deuterium does not have exactly the same reaction rates as hydrogen due to its extra mass (which causes lower velocity, Boltzman constant, mumble). This throws various bits of body biochemistry out of kilter, and you get sick and die. I've never heard of anyone being poisened this way, in or out of real life. The process takes quite a while. If anyone wants to write this book, I would imagine you would have to: 1: Replace a significant fraction of the water in the body with heavy water. 2: Wait while normal breakdown and repair processes cause other molecules in the body to be synthesised using the deuterium. During this process the victim would gradually deteriorate and eventually die, but I imagine it would take weeks during which the poisoner would have to ensure that a significant proportion of the water the victim ingested was heavy. You would get such a mess of symptoms that the doctors would be both alarmed and confused. Why should every organ in the body suddenly begin to deteriorate? If you can figure out how the poisoner gets the heavy water into the victim in a hospital then you could have a real story here. Come to think of it, <2> would continue even after the heavy water was no longer being ingested, so hospitalisation might be too late. The most detectable effect would be that the victim's body fluids would literally be ""heavy"". Water has a molecular weight of 18 and heavy water has a MW of 20. Thus the victim's weight will increase by about 1% for every 10% of body water replaced by heavy water. Maybe the detection occurs because some pathologist in the lab notices that the victim's urine is strangely dense. Is there any medical test involving the specific gravity of a body fluid? Paul. -- Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions " 6010,3,"From: nghiah@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Nghia Huynh) Subject: Apple hard disk drive? Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 15 Just wanted to ask a question. I bought a hard disk drive second-hand the other day, and I opened the packaging up and saw that there was a small sticker on the drive that had a little red apple with a bite taken out of it. It's socket did not look the same as my existing hard disk that is in my computer already (it has fifty little pins sticking out from it instead of the 39 that is sticking out of my old hard disk. I don't know if disk drives for the Apple (or Mac) are different from ones used in AT clones, so could someone tell me if I could use this hard disk on my AT clone? If not, what did I just purchase? It's a Quantum Prodrive. It's dated 1988 on the green board. Will I need a controller/add-in card? All the help is much appreciated. Thanks! :) PC " 6011,18,"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: The state of justice Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two > new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not > from the fire. > > Thoughts? > > It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start > denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led > to the previous ruling appear. Welcome to the conservative judiciary. > Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? > Shouldn't that be up to a jury? I think Scalia's point was that you get one chance. If new information comes out later, tough. If the conviced want justice, they have to hope the governor is feeling charitable. There's a guy on death row in Texas that was denied a new trial, dispite evidence of his inocents. > And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk > shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for > a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? > > Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? It got swept away in the Reagan Revolution... -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) " 6012,12,"From: Michael_LaBella@vos.stratus.com Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: m3-enet.eng.stratus.com >Off-shore assembly is one reason that Adcom is able to make products >that perform as well as those from people like Audio Research and Van >Alstine (and better than Hafler and Forte'), but at a much lower cost. How do you spell ""tuna helper"" ? I gather by off-shore assembly you mean that adcoms are built by blue-fin tuna's who are into that squid-fi sound? (I agree on that one). My Adcom 555 preamp did sound better after installing the famous ""running the chips class ""A"" resistor mod"", and replacing the metal bottom cover with plexiglass,, too bad the factory could not make em sound better,, but better sound, unfortunately, does not appear to be a priority with Adcom, else the mods would neither have been necessary, nor would they have improved what was already touted as superlative state-o-d-art le'sound. I really want to hear from all those people out there who have traded up from an sp9II (even an sp3a!) to a GFP-555/etc., or maybe from those that have dumped their forte' amps for a GFA-555/etc.... " 6013,15,"From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) Subject: Re: iterations of the bible Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 24 OFM replies to a question on the multiplicity of translations of the bible, >As far as I know, no Christians >believe that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of >translating is free of error. Unfortunately, this isn't true. On another news group earlier this year, someone posted that the King James Bible was the divinely inspired version of the Bible in English and was, therefore, inerrant; all other English translations were from Satan, trying to deceive the body of Christ. A few years ago, the pastor of a church I was attending showed me a poster advertising the availability of a certain man to address congregations. Very prominantly on the poster was the fact that the man used only the KJV. The idea that the KJV is THE English Bible is more prevalent than many might think. -- Scott at Brandeis ""But God demonstrates His ""The Lord bless you, and keep you; own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you, while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you; Christ died for us."" the Lord lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace."" -- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB] " 6014,2,"From: msmith@volcano.ma30.bull.com (Mike Smith) Subject: DLL's and RegisterClass/CreateWindow Reply-To: M.Smith@ma30.bull.com Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA Distribution: comp Lines: 28 Hi all, I have a DLL in which I Register a class and create a window of that class type. Both calls require a module instance handle, hInstance. Petzold's 3.1 book says that it is best to use the module instance handle of the calling program, not the module instance handle of the DLL (page 934). I have two questions: 1) Is there a way to find out the module instance handle of a module? 2) What are the possible problems with using the instance handle of the DLL? Thanks in advance, Mike -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Smith e-mail: M.Smith@ma30.bull.com Bull HN Information Systems Inc. phone: (508) 294-2049 300 Concord Road MA30 - 815A fax: (508) 294-3807 Billerica, MA 01821 USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6015,0,"Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >I propose >that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society >(and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are >linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot >provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis >seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it. > Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it. Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a simple premise. If they were, psychology would be a hard science with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics. Your premise may well be right. It is much more likely, however, that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as well as your need to validate your religious beliefs. Were I to pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing the members of our society. Your mileage obviously varies. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 6016,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: TPS will stay on the top... Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr6.171611.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes: >MIGHTY ONES GET MIGHTIER: > >TPS, the Finnish Champions 1992/3, are getting still stronger! Oh no! Say it isn't so! > >BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year >he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good >playoff games against TPS! Yes, Yl|nen is a draft choice of the Jets. (Assuming, of course, this is the same Yl|nen that played for Kiekko-Espoo in 1990-91.) He was a 5th round, 91st overall pick of the Jets in the 1991 entry draft. I noticed in the summaries that Yl|nen had really begun to play well in the playoffs. Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 6017,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: |> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked |> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar. Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly. Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same... (MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!) " 6018,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 18 In article mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes: > >Obcountersteer: For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the >wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong >side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For >example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn >right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned >over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe >I need psychological help. I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean, not to turn. Push the right handlebar ""down"" (or pull left up or whatever) to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 6019,5,"From: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux) Subject: Icon Animation Lines: 17 Reply-To: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation -- CSC/Colorado Srpings Hi Folks. As part of my self-introduction to X I've been trying to do some simple icon animation (sort of like icondoit from mswindows). Changing your own applications icon is fairly simple: If you have a widget ID you can just XtSetValues on XtNiconifyPixmap (or whatever) and you're done. Alternately you can set window manager hints. These methods don't seem to work with icons which your application doesn't specifically own. In my situation I have to change the icon of random windows sitting there in my icon box so my question is: Given a window-id, how do you change the icon pixure ? A working example would be very much appreciated. If it makes any difference, I'm using motif 1.1 on VMS T6.0-5KE. Thanks - Scott :) " 6020,5,"From: gcw@met.ed.ac.uk (Gordon Watson) Subject: How can get a pixel value from a Drawable ?? Keywords: lots Reply-To: gcw@met.ed.ac.uk Distribution: world Organization: Meteorology Department, Edinburgh University, Scotland Lines: 21 How can get a pixel value from a Drawable, without having to copy it to the client as an XImage and use XGetPixel ?? - I want to select pixels from an animating window on the server, without having to copy the whole lot back to my client. (X11R5). Any pointers appreciated, Gordon. ===================================================================== Gordon C. Watson, _------_ { { } Meteorology Department, Edinburgh University, (__________) Scotland. / / / / JANET - G.C.Watson@uk.ac.ed INTERNET - gcw@met.ed.ac.uk ===================================================================== " 6021,11,"From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 103 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article > tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >> >>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) >> > > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released) The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware out there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.) My suspicion is that the prices will drop dramatically on these non clipper systems. If not we're in trouble. Given that the Clinton administration is not entirely stupid (although we'd like to think so) I cannot believe that they have failed to realize this. They know their initiative will fail, much as crippled DES was never taken seriously. The only way their moves can work is by coercion. You know little about politics if you don't realize that this is just a first step in the next move, it makes NO sense otherwise. The next move, banning or SEVERLY crippling crypto not using the ""Clipper"" system is easily justified ""Why would anyone want other encryption unless they were trying to subvert the government? We've provided you with a very secure alternative so use it or go to jail/be fined/whatever."" How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? You simply can't, and the administration knows it. Anyone who wanted to keep the govt. out of their hair, be it for drug dealing or whatever, would just buy still available non-clipper systems. Don't sell our crafty Clinton types short, they can't be THAT stupid. Either banning non clipper crypto is the next answer or the administrations collective I.Q. is about that of a potato. Why do you think AT&T jumped on so fast? They know it's going to be big, and NOT because it's better. Right on the face of it, noone will buy the stuff that doesn't have to. AT&T must know this too, THINK MAN, why the hell would they jump the gun? > My interpretation. > > Andrew > >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Isn't this just a little melodramatic? I really wonder. To wit: The letter I just sent to Clinton: The White House Office of the Press Secretary c/o: Presidential Comment Line (fax) (202) 456-2461 April 17, 1993 Sir and/or Madam: I must object most strongly to the administrations evolving position on encryption and cryptography. I am shocked at the Clinton regimes increasing lean towards a authoritarian approach with regard to privacy and freedom from government oversight in day to day life. It is apparent to me that those who drafted the ""Clipper Chip Proposal"" (which is, incidentally, gaining notoriety as the ""Big Brother Proposal"") are either incredibly ignorant or very sly indeed. Anyone knowledgeable in the nuances of cryptographic development and research must understand that a key step in the development of a new algorithm, especially one destined for standardization, is the full disclosure of the algorithm to the private and academic sectors. The proper evaluation of an algorithm dep ends on careful scrutiny by these sectors, and only such scrutiny can provide true public confidence in the security of the algorithm. The assumption that a new algorithm will be accepted based on assurances from ""experts"" without full disclosure is plain ignorance. In addition, the assumption that an algorithm will be marketable over other technology, such as DES, when it is characterized by key escrow is lunacy. It seems an easy step in the logic chain that probable consumers will prefer to purchase equipment not crippled by government key escrow, no matter how ""tamper proof"" the key escrows might be. I cannot believe that even the least educated policy maker would have failed to realize these flaws. I can only assume then that the drafters of the ""Clipper Chip Proposal"" knew very well the difficulties of selling a crippled system to the private sector. The only way this proposal makes any sense, or has any chance of succeeding is in coercion. Even the language of the proposal makes it painfully clear that the next logical step is the outlawing of other encryption devices and hardware that do not uti lize the ""Big Brother Chip."" Unfortunately the public at large is not educated enough on the issue to realize what they are losing. I expect the Big Brother proposal to encounter little resistance from the American people who you will have so efficiently duped once again with pretty words like ""harmony,"" ""right to encryption,"" and ""voluntary."" It mortifies me that the phrase that seems to be used more and more often to characterize the Clinton administration is ""I can't believe it's happening here."" More startling is a question a colleague of mine posed and the realization that everyday it becomes more and more relevant; ""When is the Reichstag fire planned for?"" Most Concerned, [Signature] Shaen Logan Bernhardt I uni@acs.bu.edu -- uni@acs.bu.edu -> Public Keys by finger and/or request Public Key Archives at DF610670F2467B99 97DE2B5C3749148C Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past. Cryptography is not a crime. Fight the Big Brother Proposal! " 6022,15,"From: JBUDDENBERG@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Jimmy Buddenberg) Subject: Revelations - BABYLON? Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 34 Hello all. We are doing a bible study (at my college) on Revelations. We have been doing pretty good as far as getting some sort of reasonable interpretation. We are now on chapters 17 and 18 which talk about the woman on the beast and the fall of Babylon. I believe the beast is the Antichrist (some may differ but it seems obvious) and the woman represents Babylon which stands for Rome or the Roman Catholic Church. What are some views on this interpretation? Is the falling Babylon in chapter 18 the same Babylon in as in chapter 17? The Catholic church? Hate to step on toes. thanks -------- Jimmy Buddenberg INTERNET: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Muskingum College [Reading this imagery as the Roman Catholic Church was certainly common in earlier Protestant writers. A lot of us find that frankly embarassing now, though some of our readers will certainly advocate such a position. The problem is that the description makes it look a lot like a political entity. It's associated with kings, controls world commerce, is seated on seven mountains (17:9 -- recall that Rome is traditionally regarded as built on seven hills). If it's a church, then it's not the current Roman Catholic church, but a church that has been taken over by the anti-Christ and merged with the state, turning into something rather different than it is now. Presumably in such a scenario the true Catholics are among those who are persecuted. Given the overall impression that Satan is pretending to be an angel of light, and the true church is a persecuted remnant, I think the most consistent playing out of the image would be that the anti-Christ would be presiding over a church that claims to be the heir of both the Protestant and Catholic traditions, but that the true spiritual descendants of both Peter and the Reformers are equally being persecuted. --clh] " 6023,1,"From: deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) Subject: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere. Article-I.D.: rpi.4615trd Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu Hello, I know that this has been discussed before. But at the time I didn't need to teselate a sphere. So if any kind soul has the code or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very appreciative. Thomas DeWeese deweeset@rdrc.rpi.edu " 6024,4,"From: kuan@netcom.com (Kuan) Subject: Video Display Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 34 My mac monitor displays about 20 vertical lines when I use it. It means that either my display memory goes wrong or monitor is bad or video card is bad. I checked my monitor, it works fine with other Mac. I checked my video card, it's also fine. I replaced all the RAMs, it still didn't give me right answer. Hence I assume something wrong with some part of my motherboard. I don't know hardware architecture of the Macintosh. Can anyone tell me what's the problem ???? It's a Mac IIcx. MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE. kuan@netcom.netcom.com -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Name: Kuan, Yihpyng Born: Taichung, Taiwan, R.O.C. Work Phone: 415-688-6774 Company: Failure Analysis Associates, Inc. 149 Commonwealth Drive, P.O. Box 3015 Menlo Park, CA 94025 My Philosophy: Where there is a will, there is a way! " 6025,15,"From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak) Subject: Re: Interfaith weddings Reply-To: norris@mit.edu Organization: l'organisation, c'est moi Lines: 10 Bill Burns was looking for a description of the differnces between the Catholic and Lutheran churches. I'd recommend Prof. William Whalen's book ""Separated Brethren"". It's an overview of common US denominations, intended for a Catholic audience. -- Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu Seeking job change: sys-mgr: VAX, SIS, COBOL; programmer; UNIX, C, C++, X " 6026,14,"From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp Lines: 13 In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net>, prb@access (Pat) writes: >Voyager has the unusual luck to be on a stable trajectory out of the >solar system. All it's doing is collecting fields data, and routinely >squirting it down. One of the mariners is also in stable >solar orbit, and still providing similiar solar data. There are no Mariner craft from which we are still receiving data. I believe you are referring to one or more of Pioneers 6 through 9 (launched from December 1965 through November 1968), which were put into solar orbits to study interplanetary space. I recall reading that at least one of them was still functioning 25 years after launch. -- Chris Jones clj@ksr.com " 6027,5,"From: matthew@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Matthew Kleinmann) Subject: Is a 2 headed Sun 3/60 possible (cgfour0/bwtwo0) Organization: Alchemy International Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: alchemy.tn.cornell.edu I have a Sun 3/60 that has a mono framebuffer (bwtwo0 ?) built on the motherboard. The same system also has a cgfour (cgfour0 and bwtwo1 ?) daughterboard. I have been using this system with a color monitor having a color ""front"" screen from the cgfour, and a mono ""back"" screen from the bwtwo1, both on the same tube. I recentley picked up a 1600 x 1280 Sun mono monitor, and I would like to make a two headed system with the cgfour0 and the bwtwo0. I do not care if I loose the ""back"" screen on the color tube from the bwtwo1. After looking through the Xsun man page I am not sure if this is possible. Has anybody sucessfuly done this before? --Matthew " 6028,2,"From: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) Subject: Trnasfering binary files from Terminal to UNIX Originator: bca@packard.ece.cmu.edu Keywords: Terminal, Kermit, UNIX Lines: 15 Reply-To: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: cmu I'm attempting to transfer files from my home computer running Windows 3.1 Terminal to a workstation at school. The file transfer protocol at home is Kermit for binary files. I'm running Kermit on the workstation at school and setting the file transfer protocol to binary. I am unable to upload files to school but can download files from school to home. During download, Terminal displays ther retrying message several times then the message ' Verify you're using the correct protocol'. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix? Either e-mail or post to this group. Thanks, in advance, Brian Anderson /// Go Pens - make it 14 in a row /// " 6029,1,"From: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley) Subject: VOICE INPUT -- vendor information needed Reply-To: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 27 Hello, I am looking to add voice input capability to a user interface I am developing on an HP730 (UNIX) workstation. I would greatly appreciate information anyone would care to offer about voice input systems that are easily accessible from the UNIX environment. The names or adresses of applicable vendors, as well as any experiences you have had with specific systems, would be very helpful. Please respond via email; I will post a summary if there is sufficient interest. Thanks, Ken P.S. I have found several impressive systems for IBM PC's, but I would like to avoid the hassle of purchasing and maintaining a separate PC if at all possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Hinckley (kph2q@virginia.edu) University of Virginia Neurosurgical Visualization Laboratory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6030,9,"From: 93jll@williams.edu (Teflon X) Subject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu In article Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: >So far Simmons looks like a total idiot. >5) Leyland should accept a part of the blame for the LaValliere situation. I >can't understand his and management's fear of losing Tom Prince through >waivers. Even if they do, what's the use. He is aright hander like Slaught. >Not a very smart platoon. Also, I am blaming Leyland in this case, since he is hcurrently convinced that LaVAlliere is through, while giving him >way too much time last year in the regular season AND the playoffs(SLaught >should have played in all 7 games; he has a good average against right handed >pitching). Didn't Leyland and Simmons forsee this last year, and attempt to >trade LaValliere last year itself? Any fool could tell them LaVAlliere >wasn't very fit last year. Sorry, but this is the biggest load of bunk I've seen in a while. a) The Pirates have been trying to trade LaValliere for some time now. Nobody was even vaguely interested. b) Several other teams had made it known that they would grab Prince, who was out of options. c) LaValliere's release had nothing to do with him being through. He was released, because, in the event of an injury to Slaught, LaValliere is no longer capable (they believe) of being the everyday catcher. Since Slaught is as good against righties as he is against lefties, the offense should actually improve with this move. Toby " 6031,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Protective gear Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article <1993Apr3.200829.2207@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: >In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei >> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap >> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, >> leather pants, what? IF you can remember to tuck properly, the bits that are going to take most punishment with the gear you have will probably be your feet, then hips and knees. Get boots then trousers. The gloves come last, as long as you've the self control to pull your arms in when you tuck. If not, get good gloves first - Hands are VERY easily wrecked if you put one down to steady your fall at 70mph!! The other bits heal easier. Once you are fully covered, you no longer tuck, just lie back and enjoy the ride. Best of all, take a mean of all the contradictory answers you get. " 6032,7,"From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) Subject: Re: Aftermarket air-conditioners Reply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation Lines: 30 In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes: |> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si. |> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on |> top of that. This is a hunk of change. |> |> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation |> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit). |> |> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a |> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but |> any references would be handy. |> |> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp (forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't trust the quality and performance after this experience. - les -- Les Bartel I'm going to live forever Intergraph Corporation ... or die trying Electronics Division ljbartel@ingr.com or ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (205) 730-8537 " 6033,6,"From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber) Subject: camcorder sony 8 mm forsale $350 Keywords: camcorder Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 It is 5 years old. Model CCD-V5. 6x zoom. Everything works perfectly. Uses 8 mm tapes (not Hi-8, that was not around 5 years ago!). $350 plus shipping or best offer. -- ================================================================ Gregg Weber Let it be, open and bright like the sky, gregg@netcom.com Without taking sides, with no clouds of concepts. (510) 283-6264 - kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa ================================================================ " 6034,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Distribution: usa Lines: 69 oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. SeAL Team six should have handled it? Delta Force? The BATF had more than enough equipment and men. They did not have good intel, but they did have poor planning. They fucked up. Even in just the most basic military sense, they fucked up. Excuses do not justify body counts. >The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored >transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use >more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to >do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they >must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. And your excuses fall upon deaf ears when the same BATF has shown shitty leadership despite more people, better weapons, and exclusive use of armor against their targets. BATF is nothing more than a private army of the government. Do the agents swear an oath, as I did, to uphold the Constitution? You know, that document that stipulates the highest law of the land? If they do, they should be up for charges in a court of law. Remember, the law? That's the whole reason for any of this. >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. Yeah, I've been related to many of them. This is flame-bait, right? I'm not paying your price. Mind if I sight in my guns on your body? Think of it as the price you have to pay that we may all live without fear of my making a stray shot. It's fine and dandy to revel in the other guy being the target and your supposed safety. In the military, we called this ""chicken shit."" Leadership from the rear. The War on Drugs, despite being a catchy term for nothing more than a continuation of policy since before this century, seems to have gotten you convinced that my rights aren't worth your good vibes. Mind if I cut your net access, as well as access to any and all forms of expression? See, you make me nervous, what with you being able to influence so many. I'm sure you can see how this is the price we have to pay for freedom and liberty in this country, as well as a fair and unbiased judiciary. >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. Mind if we include you in the body count? I'm sure we could all file it under ""civic improvement"" and your life wouldn't have been sacrificed in vain. If you like, you can will your estate to defecit reduction, too. Now, when you learn how the law protects, or doesn't protect, everybody equally and how our collective boot may one day be on your collective throat, perhaps at that time you will mature enough to realize just what you're talking about and how serious this is. Next time, include a smiley. While I hesitate to think that you could have meant this seriously, it deserved a small flame anyway. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 6035,19,"From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) Subject: Re: SUNDAY! THE DAY OF OUR LORD! Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: facman pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >>Exactly. Sunday worship is in honor or the *SUN*, not the *SON* of God. > >Same thing, isn't it? It's pronounced the same? What other heavenly >beings are resurrected? The moon? That would by lunacy, at least to a >sunday worshiper. I have heard that the sabbath was originally determined by the phases of the moon, and had elements of moon worship. Early stuff, Egyptian in nature. -- -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 " 6036,16,"From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: bree.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: >Does a ""not harmful"" gassing mean that you can, with a little willpower, >stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems? > >If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? > >What IS the difference, anyway? CS ""tear-gas"" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that your stomach comes out thru your throat. Well, not quite that bad, but you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. Chuck Harris - WA3UQV chuck@eng.umd.edu " 6037,15,"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 23 In article , easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: > Hello all, > I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago > that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven > because he challenged God's authority. The problem is, I cannot > find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it > originate? > Satan was one of God's highest ranking angels, like Uriel, Raphael, Michael, and Gabriel. In fact, his name was Satanel. He did challenge God's authority and got kicked out of heaven. A lot of the mythology of Satan (he lost the -el suffix when he fell) comes from the Book of Enoch and is not found in the bible. Read the Book of Enoch, available thru bookstores, or get the book called ""Angels: an endangered species"" (I think). -- Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because we have ideas. We have a philosophy. Geoff Tate -- Queensryche " 6038,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 19 [reply to dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD)] >After many metabolic tests, body structure tests, and infection/virus >tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is >having (although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing >to infantile spasms ). This is where we stand right now....As I know >now, these particular types of disorders are still not really well >understood by the medical community. Infantile spasms have been well understood for quite some time now. You are seeing a pediatric neurologist, aren't you? If not, I strongly recommend it. There is a new anticonvulsant about to be released called felbamate which may be particularly helpful for infantile spasms. As for learning more about seizures, ask your doctor or his nurse about a local support group. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 6039,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Re: Adding int. hard disk drive to IIcx Organization: University of Washington Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Keywords: Mac IIcx, internal, hard disk drive, SCSI Yes, it is possible to add a second hard drive to a mac IIcx internally. This is definitely not a recommended procedure by Apple but I have done the equivalent to my CX after upgrading it to a Quadra 700. The power supply is still the stock CX's and it was able to power two Quantum LPS drives, a PLI SCSI accelerator, a Micron technologies 24 bit video board, Daystar QuickCache, New Technologies Overdrive and 20 meg of RAM simultaneously. I added a new mount for the drive by attaching angle brackets to the drive tower. The internal SCSI cable was changed to a longer flat ribbon cable onto which I added an extra connector about midway. The final HD was internally terminated and the drive between the motherboard and final HD had its terminator resistor packs removed. Cooling has not been a problem and no SCSI problems occur with either the PLI SCSI chain or motherboard SCSI hooked into the two internal hard drives. It works very well for me, but proceed cautiously if you wish to do the same. " 6040,2,"From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: Permanent Swap File Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 39 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) says: >In article pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) writes: >> >>Your swap file is purged every time you exit windows. If you shut off your >>computer without exiting windows your swap file remains. 20 Mb is on the large >>side, are you running more applications than you really need to at the same time? > >This is, of course, not true. The *temporary* swap file is purged >every time you exit windows. The permanent file is permanent and >can only be changed by adjusting the virtual memory. > >I suspect that either the original poster was ""tinkering"" and >adjusted the swap file to 20MB (and then forgot about it) or >somebody ""helped"" him. > >-- >Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com >Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP > When I first setup windows using the self load mode It grabbed about 20 megs of swap file space, my 120 meg HD was nearly empty at that time. I deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded, now my HD is nearly full and windows just took 4 megs. I have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your permanent swap file the same size as your regular RAM size. I have 4 megs of RAM and windows took 4 meg perm swap file. Works very well. In fact with my available HD space, about 20 megs it won't let me make the swap file any bigger. You should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs I think that is what you said your RAM was. C-ya..... /\/\artin -- This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson ========================================================================= ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS " 6041,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Help with SIMM configuration Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 22 rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes: >Can someone please help me understand the current situation >regarding SIMMS? Sure. I can give is a shot... >I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years. >I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB. >I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS. >Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin? You need to get the 30-pin simms. >Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a >newer, more powerful system? If you mean in a ""newer, more powerful"" Mac system then the answer is no. Apple has stated that all new Macs will use the 72-pin SIMMs and no longer use the 30-pin SIMMs. -Hades " 6042,2,"From: taylor@mail (Tim Taylor) Subject: Re: PKUNZIP2.04g Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP Lines: 12 Organization: Loral Data Systems In article <1pn6tr$l70@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU> kenneth@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU (Kenneth Palmertree) writes: Hey, Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get pkunzip2.04g from. I tried using archie with no such luck. This version of pkunzip is suppose to correct some promblems when using pkunzip within windows. Thanks in advance! :-) you can get pk.... from ftp.cica.indiana.edu " 6043,6,"From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski) Subject: For Sale: TR-606 and Mirage Rack Mount Sampler Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 23 For Sale: Roland TR-606 Drum Machine Near Mint Condition (no scratches, fully operational). Sorry no Manuals. Asking $200 US + shipping Mirage Rack Mount Sampler Minor Scratches around rack ear screws with Advanced Sampling Option, 32 Disks and both manuals It's a long story, but I *may* have the Turtle Beach Vision, sample editing software for the IBM PC. Asking $400 US + shipping Send all e-mail requests to: barsz@bnr.ca Regards, -- Peter A. Barszczewski ( * (barsz@bnr.ca) ) ~|~ spirituality through technology. Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. ( | Montreal, Canada ) " 6044,8,"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil In article , artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) wrote: > > OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept > leadership. > > My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the > formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years > ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups? Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the start (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of both groups. true?) tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 " 6045,4,"From: folta@zen.holonet.net (Steve Folta) Subject: Re: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170 Nntp-Posting-Host: zen.holonet.net Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem Lines: 13 aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) writes: > I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to >make it wake up with SetWUTime(). The PowerBook 170 hardware doesn't have a wakeup timer. Nor does the 140. The Mac Portable had one, and I think the PowerBook 100 had one. I don't know about the newer PowerBooks, but I kind of doubt it. I got bit by this too, and it took my a while rooting around on the developer CD before I found this out. Steve Folta folta@well.sf.ca.us " 6046,15,"From: regy105@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (James Haw) Subject: Any good electronic Christian magazine? Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 9 Hi, I'd like to subscribe to Leadership Magazine but wonder if there is one on disk instead of on paper. Having it on disk would save me retyping illustrations, etc into a word processor. It's just cut and paste. If there are other good Christian magazines like Leadership on disk media, I'd appreciate any info. With gratitude, James. " 6047,9,"From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Article-I.D.: news.12787 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <1993Apr06.062907.108109@locus.com> aardvark@spica.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) writes: >In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >>anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll >> have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. Now, on the other hand, Juan Gonzales probably DOES have a shot at 324 HR's. ;). >The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error. At this rate >they'll have 1,455 errors this season! >Well maybe I'm right this time... Actually, you might be underpredicting? ;) ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- " 6048,2,"From: ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee ) Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.040254.8443 Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics Lines: 17 In article , rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) writes: |> Geoffrey S. Elbo writes: |> |> >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB |> >hard disk in 20 minutes. |> |> I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk. |> Is it just a strip-down version of the later? |> |> I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering |> if I need to install MS Backup? |> |> Richard |> Yes, defragger IS come from Norton. If you have Norton Utility, don't bother. " 6049,9,"From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: summit.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr16.011653.7403@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes: > >As for Ryan, is his W-L better than Morris'? That's what a lot of voters >tend to look at. And Morris *was* awfully good for a decade, and doesn't >lead MLB history in walks allowed, either. Despite walks and loses, Ryan deserves to be in the Hall of Fame (IMHO) based only on his ho-hitters. The strike-out records are an extra. What do people think about Andre ""400 HR"" Dawson for the HOF? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Ken Kubey or QB | Reading, editing or printing of this text Address: kubey@sgi.com | without the express written consent of Disclaimer: the usual | Major League Baseball is prohibited. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6050,0,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 51 In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: |> In article , mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad) writes: |> > In article <1993Apr1.142854.794@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: |> >> In article <1p8v1aINN9e9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes: |> >> > bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: |> >> > |> >> >>- The Earth is evil because Satan rules over it. |> >> > |> >> > This is a new one to me. I guess it's been a while since a Witness |> >> > bothered with me. Are they implying that Satan is omniscient? You |> >> > might try tricking them into saying that Satan is 'all-knowing' and |> >> > then use that statement to show them how their beliefs are |> >> > self-contradictary. |> >> |> >> No, Satan is not omniscient, but he does hold dominion over the earth |> >> according to Christian theology (note, not to be confused with JW's |> >> theology). |> >> |> > |> > What are the standard theologies on who/what created Satan, |> > and why? |> > |> |> Orthodox Christian theology states that God created Lucifer (Satan) |> along with the other angels, presumably because He wanted beings to |> celebrate (glorify) existence and life (and thereby, God) along with |> Him. Actually the whys and wherefores of God's motivations for |> creating the angels are not a big issue within Christian theology. |> |> But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with |> the other angels free moral will. Lucifer was a high angel (perhaps |> the highest) with great authority. It seems that his greatness caused |> him to begin to take pride in himself and desire to be equal to or |> greater than God. He forgot his place as a created being. He exalted |> himself above God, and thereby evil and sin entered creation. Actually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as God commanded him to. Lucifer was devoted to God. Oh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything more than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too). I don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the best way to show the error in theology: if they think a supernatural entity kicked the first humans out of paradise because they bit into a fruit that gave them special powers...well, they might not respond well to reason and logic. :^) Brian /-|-\ " 6051,13,"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Glutamate Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr18.163212.9577@walter.bellcore.com>, jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes: =There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your =body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can =produce enough of it without supplement. And when you're in a technical discussion of amino acids, it's the latter definition that's used almost universally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. " 6052,5,"From: neuralog@NeoSoft.com (Neuralog) Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411 Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr20.132914.907@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >In article qfe00WB2QzZ7EZ@andrew.cmu.edu, Wilson Swee () writes: >|> I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as >|>well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me >|>undefined ld errors: >|>_sin >|>_cos >|>_pow >|>_floor >|>_get_wmShellWidgetClass >|>_get_applicationShellWidgetClass >|> >|>The following libraries that I linked it to are: >|>-lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 >|> >|>The makefile is generated off an imake template. >|>Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on >|>a sun4_411? > >Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after >-lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start. > >--- I ""think"" you should try linking to /usr/lib/libXmu.a instead of -lXmu. At least that solved the problem for me! " 6053,6,"From: lazaro@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com (lazaro,matthew) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 12 In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes: >>VHS movie for sale. >> >>Dance with Wovies ($12.00) > ^^^^^^ what the hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))?? > It's one of those animals you dance with. But seriously, I saw this video for sale brand new at Palmer Video for $9 + tx. I guess if I could resell them for $12 I would dance like a Wovie. " 6054,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: eye dominance Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > >Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an >overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most >people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the >other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6055,2,"Subject: Re: Window start up position for app, how? From: davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz (David White) Organization: Industrial Research Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand Keywords: app window, startup position NNTP-Posting-Host: kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz Lines: 15 In <1993Apr19.143054.17499@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) writes: >How do you set up an app to give its window a default start up >position and size? Try sizeit.zip from ftp.cica.indiana.edu [129.79.20.84] in the directory ftp/pub/pc/win3/desktop. It's freeware. Also noticed there a program called sizer110.zip, which from the description looks like it also does what you want. Hope this helps. -- david white (engineer, Goon fan & son of my Dad) Internet davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz Fax +64 9 443-4737 " 6056,5,"From: root@netdev.comsys.com (Operator) Subject: DevGuide with Motif - Solaris 2.2 to ease Motif burden .. Summary: Sun helps software developers support motif Keywords: SUN, GUI, Motif, DevGuide Organization: ProTools Inc. Lines: 25 We've developed a number of applications using DevGuide and found it to be a very useful tool. I've been impressed with the level of integration it affords using the connection editor. I love the general ease of use. I talked with Tali Aben at Sun today about DevGuide + Motif. She was very helpful. We provided some input as to what we'd like to see in the next version of DevGuide. Tali was very enthusiatic about our comments. I mentioned I was going to post this email message and she offered to receive additional comments from the net on what DevGuide should evolve into. Send your comments/wish-list, raving, et. al. about DevGuide to: Tali.Aben@Sun.COM Pretty cool example of a company that cares what we want.... More of this and computers may have a future. Frankly, I like the idea that it will offer some migration capability to DOE/DOMF through an integrated ToolTalk capability, pointed out in March's SunExpert magazine. Technology works, we can crankout the interfaces with DevGuide. Price is outstanding. " 6057,10,"From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy) Subject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood Lines: 25 plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) writes: >In article boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: >> Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the >>way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped >>to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question >>is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the >>ABC coverage for its own? >> >Yes, it's called simulcast. In Canada, when a Canadian station and an >American station are showing the same thing whether a sporting event or >Cheers on Thursday night, the Canadian signal is broadcast over the American >station. They even do this during the Superbowl, which has the best commercials >of any television. What do we get here, dumb Canadian commercials, the same >ones we've seen for that last year or so. I'm in Edmonton, and while that's usually (or at least OFTEN) the case, here we were ""treated"" to the actual ABC telecast of the Kings/Flames game. I'm with whoever said it earlier - Don Witless (er, Whitman) is a poor commentator, and not just for hockey. Normally, if the Oilers were still playing (augh), I would turn off the sound and listen to the radio broadcast to get decent play-by-play announcing. Bart, Edmonton " 6058,13,"From: berryh@huey.udel.edu (John Berryhill, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu Organization: little scraps of paper, mostly Lines: 10 I think he means Girlie Photography. A good place to find it is in non-descript little places that usually just say ""Books"" on the outside of the building in black and white. -- John Berryhill " 6059,3,"From: ggeorge@bu.edu (Gerry George) Subject: Re: 8 cards on a 6 card motherboard? Article-I.D.: bu.115969 Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Carl Christensen (christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu) wrote: : This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a : way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit) : to get the usual 8? My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to : get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out! : I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns I'm not sure if this will work, but how about using one of those 'T' expanders used in the low-profile cases. They allow 3-5 slots staggered on either side of the card. You can install it in the last slot, and then (probably) have 2 or 3 sideways slots. This is actually how it is done in the low profile cases - a standard motherboard, the 'T' connector in one slot, and the expansion cards plugged into the 'T'. I guess you could do this at each end of the slots (1 & 8) to add even more. The 'T' connectors are simply tracks with slots on them - no electronics on it. The only downside - your case won't close, but for a homebrew system, that may not be a problem. Don't know about performance, though. I'll leave that discussion to the engineers. =========================================================================== Gerry George | Anything good in life is either School of Management, Boston Univ. | illegal, immoral or fattening. Internet: ggeorge@acs.bu.edu | Any item not in the above three Compu$erve: 72607.2560@compuserve.com | categories causes cancer in rats! =========================================================================== " 6060,5,"From: wsanders@spectrum.xerox.com (bob hosid r382-423) Subject: Dynamic changing of the title bar Organization: Xerox X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 4 I am looking for a program I can insert into some code that will allow the title bar to be changed on a window dynamicly. If one already is out there, I would appreciate a location so I don't have to create this from scratch. Thanks in advance. Bob Hosid:dloslv300:xerox " 6061,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says: >>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear >>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using >>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush >>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster. > >In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential. >Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake >cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need to calculate the future position. You need to look at your mirrors a little more. If you glance around, you will be able to tell how much faster than you the car is going. Maybe not precisely, but well enough to know if you should let him around before you try to pass. I know what you are talking about, about the other driver being startled, because i myself have been startled by drivers cruising by at around 90-100mph when i'm doin 55-65. The problem, though, as i saw it, was not their fault for barreling around me, but my fault for not paying the attention to my task-at-hand that i should have been. Oddly enough, since the 2nd time(happened 2x in around 4 mo. when i'd had my liscence for around 6 mo), i haven't been startled..and i've been passed by cars doing roughly twice the speed of my car. Another odd occurance is the fact that this only seems to happen on LONG trips...and if i drive along with them, it doesn't happen at all :-) even on the long trips! :-) (adrenaline will do that to you...i've had bad cop experiences with speeding, so anything over the limit is adrenalizing for me...scared i'll get caught :-) Maybe they should raise the limit, so we can pay better attention..... just curious, and my .otwo DREW " 6062,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Traffic morons Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 36 NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). NMM>Did I do the right thing? NMM>Yours Truly : NMM> Niels Mikkel Well, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me, I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of him/her/it may mean that something is wrong. The two problems I'd see with your strategy is that the red light may change before you can get anything meaningful out of your mouth, or the occupant(s) may take exception to your opinions and demonstrate such physically (on you or your now-parked bike). Admittedly, the latter is a slim chance, but it would be enough to give me pause. * SLMR 2.1a * sometimes you get to be the windshield, sometimes the bug ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 6063,3,"From: pschneid@rzu.unizh.ch () Subject: Problem: Maxtor LXT340S spins down with no reason Keywords: Maxtor 340, Adaptec 1542, SCSI Organization: University of Zurich, Switzerland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 53 Please help if you can with the following strange problem: The Maxtor 340 drive in my 386 clone would from time to time, for no obvious reason spin down completely (one can tell by the sound) and simply refuse to be accessed. DOS reacts with an error (Drive D: cannot be accessed or something the like). Unfortunately, I cannot just reproduce the error. Sometimes it occurs more often, sometimes less. The last time it happened was when I wanted to demonstrate some software to a colleague. I would like to know if anybody has experienced similar problems. I don't like to take the thing to the dealer only to be told that there's nothing wrong with it. I checked the other post in this group about Maxtor, and I don't seem to be the only one who has problems. However, no one describes the same problem, and I also have a different configuration. Thanx in advance for any e-mailed help. Peter LIST OF EQUIPMENT Computer ""Mandax"" Mainboard 386-33, 2MB Adaptec 1542 SCSI Master Maxtor LXT340S SCSI-II Hard Drive NEC CDR-83 CD-ROM Reader (problem remains with CD-ROM removed) ET4000 VGA Card CONFIG.SYS files=30 device=C:\dos\setver.exe device=C:\windows\himem.sys device=C:\system\aspi4dos.sys device=C:\system\aswcdnec.sys /d:neccd DOS=HIGH COUNTRY=041,,C:\dos\country.sys device=C:\dos\display.sys CON=(EGA,,1) AUTOEXE.BAT C:\windows\smartdrive.sys PATH=C:\windows;c:\dos SET TEMP=C:\dos MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((437) C:\DOS\EGA.CPI) MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=437 KEYB SG,,C:\DOS\KEYBOARD.SYS C:\SYSTEM\MSCDEX /D:NECCD /L:d /v -- / Peter Schneider [] Englisches Seminar \ | E-Mail: pschneid@es.unizh.ch [] Universitaet Zurich | | Phone: (41 1) 257 3554 [] Plattenstrasse 47 | \ Fax: (41 1) 262 1204 [] CH-8032 Zurich/Switzerland / " 6064,17,"From: perrakis@embl-heidelberg.de Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: EMBL, European Molecular Biology Laboratory Lines: 76 In article <93105.134708FINAID2@auvm.american.edu>, writes: >> Look Mr. Atakan: I have repeated it in the past, and I shall repeat it once >> more, that when it comes to how Greeks are treating the Turks in Greece, >> you and your copatriots should simply shut up. >> >> Because what you are hearing is simply a form of propaganda from your ethnic >> fellows who studied at the Greek universities without paying any money for >> tuition, food, and helth insurance. >> >> And any high school graduate can put down some simple math and compare the >> grouth of the Turkish community in Greece with the destruction of the Greek >> minority in Turkey. >> >> >Aykut Atalay Atakan >> >> Panos Tamamidis > > Mr. Tamamidis: > > Before repling your claims, I suggest you be kind to individuals > who are trying to make some points abouts human rights, discriminations, > and unequal treatment of Turkish minority in GREECE.I want the World > know how bad you treat these people. You will deny anything I say but > It does not make any difrence because I will write things that I saw with > my eyes.You prove yourself prejudice by saying free insurance, school > etc. Do you Greeks only give these things to Turkish minority or > everybody has rights to get them.Your words even discriminate > these people. You think that you are giving big favor to these > people by giving these thing that in reality they get nothing. > If you do not know unhuman practices that are being conducted > by the Government of the Greece, I suggest that you investigate > to see the facts. Then, we can discuss about the most basic > human rights like fredom of religion, If you did not see with your 'eyes' freedom of religion you must ne at least blind ! > fredom of press of Turkish 2 weeks ago I read the interview of a Turkish journalist in a GReek magazine, he said nothing about being forbiden to have Turkish press in Greece ! > minority, ethnic cleansing of all Turks in Greece, Give as a brake. You call athnic cleansing of apopulation when it doubles? > freedom of > right to have property without government intervention, What do you mean by that ? Anyway in Greece, as in every country if you want some property you 'inform' the goverment . > fredom of right to vote to choose your community leaders, Well well well. When Turkish in Area of Komotini elect 1 out of 3 represenatives of this area to GReek parliament, if not freedom what is it? 3 out of 3 ? Maybe there are only Turks living there .... > how Greek Government encourages people to destroy > religious places, houses, farms, schools for Turkish minority then > forcing them to go to turkey without anything with them. I cannot deny that actions of fanatics from both sides were reported. A minority of Greek idiots indeed attack religious places, which were protected by the Greek police. Photographs of Greek policemen preventing Turks from this non brain minority were all over Greek press. > Before I conclude my writing, let me point out how Greeks are > treated in Turkey. We do not consider them Greek minority, instead > we consider a part of our society. There is no difference among people in > Turkey. We do not state that Greek minority go to Turkish universities, > get free insurance, food, and health insurance because these are basic > human needs and they are a part of turkish community. All big businesses > belong to Greeks in Turkey and we are proud to have them.unlike the > Greece which tries to destroy Turkish minority, We encourage all > minorities in Turkey to be a part of Turkish society. Oh NO. PLEASE DO GIVE AS A BRAKE ! Minorities in Turkish treated like that ? YOur own countrymen die in the prisons every day bacause of their political beliefs, an this is reported by Turks, and you want us to believe tha Turkey is the paradise of Human rights ? Business of Greeks i Turkey? Yes 80 years ago ! You seem to be intelligent, so before presenting Turkey as the paradise of Human rights just invastigate this matter a bit more. > > Aykut Atalay Atakan > " 6065,19,From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: 666 - MARK OF THE BEAST - NEED INFO Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 15 On a slightly different note: There are two buildings in NY state with big 666 numbers on the roof :) One in Manhattan and one near Garden City. The Garden City one is a nice black unmarked building... -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . 6066,6,"From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes) Subject: Scanning radio:Realistic PRO-2024-was $200, sell for $150 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Article 10886 of alt.radio.scanner: Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008 From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes) >Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Hello. I have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc ription: 60 programible chanels fully detailed backlighted digital display headphone jack antenna jack removable telescoping antenna auto search coverage: 30-50mHz 118-174mHz 380-512mHz It originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150. Thank You. -- / / Buchanan in `96! / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns. \ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou \/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu -- / / Buchanan in `96! / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns. \ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou \/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu " 6067,13,"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Immotile Cilia Syndrome Article-I.D.: pitt.19423 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 31 In article <1993Mar26.213522.26224@ncsu.edu> andrea@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrea M Free-Kwiatkowski) writes: >I would like to know if there is any new information out there about the >subject or any new studies being conducted. I am confident in my >pediatrician and her communication with the people in Chapel Hill, but >since this is a life-long disorder and genetically transferred I would >like keep current. I do realize that since this is a relatively new >disorder (first documented in 1974 in a fertility clinic in Scandanavia) >and is therefore ""controversial"". I do not know a lot about this, except from seeing one patient with ""Kartagener's syndrome"", which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome in which there is situs inversus, bronchiectasis, and chronic infections. ""Situs inversus"" means that organs are on the wrong side of the body, and can be complete or partial. It is interesting medically because the normal location of organs is caused in part by the ""normal"" rotation associated with ciliary motion, so that in absence of this, laterality can be ""random."" People with situs inversus are quite popular at medical schools, because of their rarity, and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they can't find the patient's heart sounds (because they're on the wrong side). According to Harrison's, immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal recessive, which should imply that on average one child in four in a family would be affected. But there may be much more current information on this, and as usual in medicine, we may be talking about more than one conditiion. I would suggest that you ask your pediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist, of which there is probably one at NCSU. -km " 6068,13,From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) Subject: Cost of Roxonal Nntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: na Lines: 5 Does anyone know the approximate prescription cost of a 250 ml bottle of Roxonal (morphine)? Thanks. 6069,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 42 In article easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: >Hello all, > I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago >that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven >because he challenged God's authority. The problem is, I cannot >find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it >originate? i did a workshop on this for an episcopalian student gathering a couple months ago because i wanted to know the answer too. as far as i could tell, although that story was never specifically _told_ in the bible, many references are made to it, primarily in the new testament. in the old testament there is actually an entirely different view of satan as a (excuse the pun) ""devil's advocate"" for yahweh. see the book of job. getting back to the fallen angel story, there are _no_ references to ""lucifer"" in the bible except for a mistranslation of ""the morning star"" in the king james version (isaiah 14:12), which probably referred to a babylonian monarch much in the same was as ""the sun king"" referred to louis xiv. all in all, i don't know where the story _came from_; it may have been rolling around for a long time, or milton (_paradise lost_) may have invented it. sorry for the sketchiness of the rest of this, but i am in a hurry and need to eat lunch! feel free to email me about the other stuff i found out.... (although a lot of it is just the result of a bible concordance program called ""quickverse"" -- it's really lousy, by the way -- don't buy it.) >Wondering, >Eddie >______ __ ___ ___ o __ ___ | Western Kentucky | > / /__) /__ /__ / ) / /__) /__ | University | > / / \ (___ (___ (__/__/ / / \ (___ | EASTEEE@WKUVX1.BITNET | hope this helped! vera ______ je cherche une ame, qui of course i don't agree with pourra m'aider mylene farmer's religious views; je suis i just think they're interesting. d'une generation desenchantee (vera noyes) - mylene farmer noye@midway.uchicago.edu " 6070,10,"From: umfu0009@ccu.umanitoba.ca (J. M. K. Fu) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: data.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 21 In wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they >have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as >first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be >different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. >I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points >with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put >win as first in a tie breaker...... Why not? I believe both the Devils and Islanders got 87 points. Say for example, another team had this record : 20-37-47; they had 20*2+47*1+37*0=87 which is the same as their points total. (The Islanders' and Devils' records are both 40-37-7. It is simple arithmetics and involve no Calculus. John. (a computer science graduate who pretends to be a mathematican) " 6071,3,"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: Help! Ten beeps with 386/40 (AMI BIOS) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 9 G. Wayne Nichols (gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu) wrote: > I have a 386/40 motherboard with AMI BIOS. [..] > After multiple reboots, now it only gives 10 beeps and sits there? Referring to the manual of my motherboard with AMI-BIOS, 10 beeps are a 'CMOS Shutdown Register Read/Write Error', if the system stops after these beeps. If the system continues, it is a 'Keyboard error'. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 6072,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Its still cold, but... Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >> >> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40 >> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. Be VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will feel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel your hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all kindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming hands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest) way to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and stand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should do it. " 6073,15,"From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: Pastoral Authority Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group Lines: 17 There is some controversy in my denomination as to what authority is vested in the pastor. I am still forming my opinion. I am solicing opinions, and references for what that is, how much, and how it should be used. As a general reference, I would not exclude responses from different denominations based on Biblical teachings, but you have to understand our church is independent, protestant and likely to be much different from those that follow ecclesiastical authority in the church. We may need to discuss the roles of deacons and elders. Thanks for your replies. | ""Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."" | | ""Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."" | | (proverbs 26:4&5) " 6074,12,"From: cjp1@aber.ac.uk (Christopher John Powell) Subject: Fujitsu 8"" HDD Keywords: M2321K, M2322K, Fujitsu, Microdisk (-: Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 23 I have a Fujitsu M2322K which has been removed (I believe) from a digital X-Ray machine (takes X-Ray pictures without film). The Fujitsu part number is B03B-4745-B002A. I have obtained some data on the device, it is 8-inch winchester-type of 168 megabyte capacity (though I was told it was over 800 megabytes). However, there is very little information on the interface standard used. It appears to use two balanced-line connections, but what each connection corresponds to I know not. One connection is a 30-way IDC, the other a 60-way IDC. If anyone has any information on this device, I would be most grateful if you could provide it. Thanks. Chris Powell. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | THE MAN FROM : ##### ####### | JANET : cjp1@uk.ac.aber | | # # _# | Internet : cjp1@aber.ac.uk | | # # _# | NYX : cpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu | " 6075,6,"From: v5914ane@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve) Subject: Wanted Ultima 5 for IBM Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 4 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu I am looking for Ultima V for the IBM, I would like the entire package (meaning I need more than just the game, I would like the Docs also) Since it is an old game I do not want to pay a lot of money. If you are interested in selling this game please respond to this message. " 6076,8,"From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) Subject: Latest SoCal Rides -- 4/14 Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association Distribution: ca Lines: 194 Southern California RideList -- 4/14/93 Please send me any updates to this ride list. Remember, only street rides that are open to all bikers are posted. Please inc. phone # for further info. Also, send me your e-mail address if you want mailed copies of this list. I suggest calling first to make sure that info is current. If you find out further info, please let me know. I strive for accuracy but cannot be responsible for errors. e-mail address: paulb@harley.tti.com --------- c&d = coffee & donuts; Mx = Live Music; f&d = food & drinks available; * = changes since last posting; ** Address at end of posting ------- Apr 15-18 11th Annual Laughlin (NV) River Run. Rides to the run from points all over SoCal. Concerts, poker runs, parties, etc., etc. This is sponsored by the Southern Calif. Harley Dealer Assoc., but all bikes are welcome. Reservations are only $25 at any SoCal Harley Dealer. River Run 24 Hr Hotline: 800/266-6441. Discount Room reservations or concert tix: 909/883-0317 (Tues-Sat, 9A-noon & 1-4P). Apr 17 2nd Annual Racing Memorabilia Show & Sale. art, prints, photos, lithos, models, books. 310/539-8108. Apr 17-18 SCMA Route 66 Tour. 714/680-4667. Apr 18 SCMA/TRAC A. Gypsy Tour. 7A in Santa Monica. John Lane @ 818/359-0414. Apr 18 Tax Time Run for the money (ABATE #19). 200 pins, prizes, games, f&d, raffles. $7 (free if you join). s/in 8-10A @ V-Twin City, 565 Brea Canyon Rd, Walnut. Manny @ 909/594-0086. *Apr 18 3rd Annual GWTA Loma Linda Children's Hospital Benefit Run. free c&d @ start. hot dogs, etc. @ finish. s/in 8-11A @ Skip Fordyce motors, 7840 Indiana Ave., Riverside. 909/679-1097. Apr 23-25 MMA State Overnighter. Frazier Park. 805-522-6557 or 805/392-0540. Apr 23-25 32nd Yuma Prison Run. $20 mailin/$25 gate. camping. 310/944-2180 or 805/253-3043. Apr 23-25 Paso Robles Clean & Sober Run @ Paso Robles Fairgrounds. 805/461-1211. Apr 25 Shamrock's 3rd Annual Scenic Byways Tour. 2 starts, 5 routes. s/in 6:30-8:30A @ Simi Valley Honda, 4346 L.A. Ave. or Cycles Parts, 473 W. Baseline, San Bernadino. Picnic & bbq @ Lake hughes. $14. 805/584-3983. Apr 25 MRA Chap ""E"" Poker Run. 8A @ American Legion, 600 South ""D"" St., Peris. Steve Hill @ 714/244-3064. May 1 AMA Grand Nat'l Dirt Track Series race. Pomona Fairplex, 714/623-3111 or 614/891-2425. May 1 KPFK's (90.7 FM) Centerstand Radio Show and The Car Show will broadcast live from Autobooks, Etc., 3524 W. Magnolia Av., Burbank. Carshow starts @ noonb, Centerstand @ 1:30PM. 818/845-0707. May 1 ABATE #8 Poker Run. East end of Bucklin Park, Imperial Valley. s/in 8-10A. $8 includes food & entertainment. Barbara @ 619/352-7006. May 1-2 PMC 47th Annual Greenhorn Tour. 818/963-5480 or 909/593-9988. May 1-2 Song Dog Ranch Spring Rally. Overnight camping at this famousmotorcycle campground. Mx., All you can eat or drink bbq dinner. sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by April 26. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai). 805/766-2454. (Keep trying this number). May 2 BSA Owner's Club Spring Ride. Castaic Landing. 805/273-7005. May 2 Album Release Celebration (""Helmet Laws Suck"" by Billy Gordon & The Blue Rockers) @ La Vida Hot Springs (91 to 57N to Lambert east 5 miles on left). Special Guests, Mx, raffle. 714/996-0720. May 2 1st Annual Spring Round-Up Rodeo. (ABATE #27). Many Bike Games. f&d, pins, raffle. s/in starts 9A. Games @ noon. $10 ea/$18 couple (free if you join). Robbies Restaurant, 26020 Hwy 74 (btwn Perris & Lake Elsinore). George or Susan @ 909/674-0554; Allen or Melanie @ 909/780-3743. May 14 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6. 714/364-0515. May 14 LA Cnty MC Swap Meet. $8. 818/361-0205. May 14 Christian M/C Assn. SoCal Rally. First Assembly of God Church, 15260 Nisqually Rd, Victorville. Bob Quintard @ 909/797-9801. May 16 Mother's with the Most. 805/763-4614. May 16 4th Annual MC Awareness Day. (ABATE #22). 9:30-5p @ American Legion Hall, 1340 Gardena Bl (crnr Normandie), Gardena. Mx, Vendors, raffles, games, etc. $5 (<12 free); ($8 w/pin). f&d. Doc or Carol @ 310/371-2348 or Dieter @ 310/531-8942. May 16 Blue Knights 5th Annual Benefit Ride. Starts @ Cycle Parts West, San Diego. Harold Crosby @ 619/753-7827. May 19 Run For The Wall. LA to DC. Lv (8A? or) 9A from TA Truck Stop where I10 & I15 meet in Ontario. Camping & Motels available at each night's stop. Rides ends up at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in Washington, DC. 100,000 bikes are expected to meet there. Call Rod Coffey @ 310/425-3145. Alt Info: send $1 p/h to John Anderson, 5920 Deer Creek Way, Paso Robles, CA 93446 or call him @ 805/237-0790. May 23 Long Beach MC Parts Exchange, LB Veterans Memorial Stadium. 310/323-9611. May 28-31 US MC Jamboree. Tulare Cnty Fairgnds, Tulare. ride in mc show, benefit poker run (sun), Mx, raffles, games. starts noon on Friday. $23; $11 (15 & under); free for 6 & under. 918/542-5939; 502/622-4810; 805/822-8939; 310/492-9688; 909/825-3798; 602/425-6609. May 29-31 Blazing Saddles Tour (SCMA). 818/789-9932. May 30 Ariel Owners Club Annual Event. 3225 Greenfield Ave., LA. Chuck Walton, 818/345-6532. Jun 6 Fun in the Sun Ride (MMA #2). Bakersfield. 805/392-0546. Jun 12-13 Class Act Tour Jun 12-13 Silver Eagles Run. Palomar, San Diego. 619/569-7370. Jun 20 Ventura Swap & Show by The Shop. @ Ventura Fairgnds. 805/656-6777. Jun 20 3rd Annual Summer Solstice Poker Run & Pig Feed. (ABATE #9). $15 ea/$25 couple (free if you join). Pig Roast, games, raffles, Mx, swimming, 300 pins. s/in 8-10A @ Swallows Inn, I5 & Ortega Hwy, San Juan Capistrano. Earl @ 714/496-3401; Rick @ 714/548-3434. Jun 25-27 MMA's Bike Fest '93 @ Mariposa Fairgrounds (Hwy 99 to Hwy 140E; go 38 miles). Mx, Camping Available; trade show, f7d, games. $25 advance/$35 gate. info & tix: 800/247-6246. Jun 27 Hope House Benefit Run (SCMA). 805/581-3235. Jul 4 Bike Show @ Accessories Unltd** Jul 4 ABATE #6 Christmas in July. 619/569-7370. Jul 11 Beach Ride 93 to benefit the Exceptional Children's Foundation. Jul 11 ABATE #8 Old Timers Poker Run. 714/998-5740. Jul 16-19 4th Annual Unicoastal Ride and Joust. Starts all over the West Coast and goes to Pine Glen Campground (near Mammoth Lakes) for a 2 or 3 day weekend of fun with the usenet personalities your fond of flaming. To get on the mail list, contact joust-request@harley.tti.com . Jul 18 Iron Horse Poker Run. 805/734-3401. Jul 21 2nd Annual National Ride to Work Day. Jul 23-25 Quaff M/C Mt. Palomar 17th Annual Overnighter @ La Jolla Campgrounds. 714/352-0443. Jul 25 5th Annual Summer Food Run. ABATE #19. 818/917-2243. Jul 30 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6. 714/364-0515. Aug 1 Accessories Unltd** Ride Aug 7 Hot August Nights Poker Run. 805/392-0546. Aug 14-15 650 Tour (SCMA area B). 805/481-3482. Aug 21-22 Song Dog Ranch Summer Rally. Overnight camping at this famous motorcycle campground. Classical Mx., All you can eat or drink bbq dinner. sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by Aug 16. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai). 805/766-2454. (Keep trying this number). Aug 22 Vets Benefit Run (TRAC A). 714/680-4667. Aug 22 MMA Chicken Roast. Camarillo Park. 805/522-6557. Sep 3-6 18th Annual 3 Flags Classic. Juarez, Mexico to Southern Alberta, Canada. $110/person. received by 1/23/93. Frank Weed @ 714/879-9432. (or try 714/962-3150) Sep 3-6 ABATE's Golden State Rendezvous. 10A Fri-noon Mon @ Mid State Fairgrounds, Paso Robles. Sep 12 Iron Horse Rocket Run. 805/734-3401. Sep 19 Black Gold Poker Run (Taft MC). 805/765-5085. Sep 24-26 Redwood Run #2. Sep 25-27 Bonanza Tour (Shamrocks). 805/272-9865. Oct 1 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6. 714/364-0515. Oct 9-10 Song Dog Ranch Fall Rally. Overnight camping at this famous motorcycle campground. Mx., All you can eat or drink bbq dinner. sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by Oct 4. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai). 805/766-2454. (Keep trying this number). Oct 16-17 SCMA Grand Tour 805/269-1399. Oct 22-24 Easyriders Motorcycle Rodeo. Antelope Valley Fairgrounds (Hwy. 14 N. to Ave, I exit, right), Lancaster. Oct 23-24 22nd Annual Griffith Park Sidecar Rally. Mineral Springs area of the Park. Doug Bingham @ 818/780-5542. Oct 24 MRA Chap ""E"" Ride Nov 7 Love Ride 10 to benefit the Muscular Dystrophy Assoc. Sponsored by Glendale H-D, 3717 San Fernando Rd, Glendale. 818/246-5618. Nov 14 Toy-Key Run (SCMA Area B). 805/481-3482. Nov 14 MC Awareness Day (ABATE 1) Nov 21 Accessories Unlimited** Posse Ride. Dec 3 MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6. 714/364-0515. Dec 12 Hathaway Children's Center Toy Run -------------------- ONGOING EVENTS & NOTICES ---------------------------- HD Swap Meet & Show. Santa Fe Springs Drive-in, 13963 Alondra Blvd. 5:30-10:30P, 3rd Thurs ea mo. $5 fee. 310/944-4268. note that in April, it was moved to 4/8. Free seminars every Saturday @ Luftmeister, Inc., Long Beach. 310/539-6420. Tune in Centerstand, a radio program for motorcyclists every Saturday from 1:30-2PM on KPFK, 90.7 FM Parents w/out Partners MC Club meets 2nd Sat @ 8A at Cocos, Brea Rd & Colina Road in Diamondbar. 909/595-3785 A new mc club for women only is forming: Diamonds and Pearls. 818/706-3164 MARC (Motorcycling Amateur Radio Club) meets 8A, 2nd Sat @ Denny's, 2314 E 17th St, Santa Ana. Net @ 8P Weds on 146.985- . Info: Ray or Bonnie @ 714/551-1036. ------------------- ** ADDRESSES ----------------------------------------- Follows Camp -- From 210 or 10 Fwy, go North on Azusa Ave (Hwy 39) To East Fork Rd. Go 2.5 miles East to camp (hint: look for bridge). Accessories Unlimited -- 24508 Lyons Ave (at I5), Newhall. 805/255-6522. Cycle Parts West -- 13682 Beach Blvd, Westminister. " 6077,3,"From: jiml@garfunkel.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L) Subject: Re: SIMM Speed Distribution: world Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr6.150808.27533@news.unomaha.edu>, hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes: |> Robert Desonia (robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote: |> : B |> : BK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying |> : BK>wants 80ns simms? |> |> : You shouldn't have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems |> : with slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster. |> |> -- |> It should run without any trouble of course but why do you want to buy some |> 60ns and mixed them with 80ns? 60ns is more expensive than 80ns and |> furthermore your machine will run the slowest SIMMs clock speed eventhough |> you have 60ns. Just my 0.02cents thought.... |> Your machine will run at whatever the bus is jumpered to/CMOS is set to (usually wait states) regardless of what speed RAM is installed. No motherboard can sense the speed of the RAM installed, unless you call failing as a sort of auto-sense. This is how you can sometimes use ""slower"" RAM in a machine. You either set the number of wait states to accomodate the slow RAM (in which case, all memory will run at that slower rate) or you reduce the wait states and take the chance that the slower RAM will act like faster RAM and you won't crash. Putting faster RAM in won't speed things up unless you tell the machine it has faster RAM. Mixing fast and slow RAM will not help you if you have to keep the bus slowed down to accomodate slow RAM. JimL -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Mailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com James Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267 NCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM " 6078,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 17 In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: >In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought >Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct >the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily >(the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article >saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. > >Steve > I know this paper well, and see it for the exercise in selective morality and judgement it is. Until such time as it recognizes that *any* religiously based government is racist, exclusionary and simply built on a philosophy of ""separate but equal"" second-class treatment of minorities, it will continue to be known for its bias. If Jewish nationalism is racism, so is Islam; anywhere where people are allotted ""different rights"" according to race, religion or culture is ""racist"". " 6079,14,"From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 59 nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) writes: >In George F. Krumins writes: >>It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the >>wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be. > Umm, perhaps you could explain what 'rights' we are talking about >here .. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi >nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici >nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni I was suggesting that the minority of professional and amateur astronomers have the right to a dark, uncluttered night sky. Let me give you an example. When you watch TV, they have commercials to pay for the programming. You accept that as part of watching. If you don't like it, you can turn it off. If you want to view the night sky, and there is a floating billboard out there, you can't turn it off. It's the same reasoning that limits billboards in scenic areas. Pat writes: George. It's called a democracy. The majority rules. sorry. If ytou don't like it, I suggest you modify the constitution to include a constitutional right to Dark Skies. The theory of government here is that the majority rules, except in the nature of fundamental civil rights. I say: Any reasonably in-depth perusal of American history will show you that many WASPs have continued the practices of prejudice, discrimination, and violence against others of different races, religions, and beliefs, despite the law. Pat says: If you really are annoyed, get some legislation to create a dark sky zone, where in all light emissions are protected in the zone. Kind of like the national radio quiet zone. Did you know about that? near teh Radio telescope observatory in West virginia, they have a 90?????? mile EMCON zone. Theoretically they can prevent you from running light AC motors, like air conditioners and Vacuums. In practice, they use it mostly to control large radio users. I say: What I'm objecting to here is a floating billboard that, presumably, would move around in the sky. I, for one, am against legislating at all. I just wish that people had a bit of common courtesy, and would consider how their greed for money impacts the more ethereal and aesthetic values that make us human. This includes the need for wild and unspoiled things, including the night sky. George -- | George Krumins /^\ The Serpent and the Rainbow | | gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu <^^. .^^> | | Pufferish Observatory <_ (o) _> | | \_/ | " 6080,13,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Ultimately, ideas come from exploration and informal thinking. Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 65 In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: > >|> Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial >|> thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use >|> unless they make you do some experiments. .... >|> >|> (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA >|> electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, ..... > >But why do you characterize this as a ""flight of fancy"" or a ""fantasy""? >While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious >that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was >at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance >of current theory coupled with his observations. It would appear that >something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation >into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation). ... Whether a scientific idea comes while one is staring out the window, or dreaming, or having a fantasy, or watching an apple fall (Newton), or sitting in a bath (Archimedes) ... it is ultimately the result of a lot of intense scientific thinking done beforehand. Letting one's mind roam freely and giving rein to one's intuition can be a useful way of coming up with new ideas, but only when one has done a lot of rational analysis of the problem first. Scientific intuition is not something one is born with. It is something that one learns. Maybe we don't understand completely how it is learned, but training in systematic scientific thinking is certainly one of the key elements in developing it. Informal exploration is also often an important element in finding new scientific ideas. One thinks, for instance, of Darwin's naturalistic studies in the Galapagos islands, which led him to the ideas for the theory of evolution. This is why I am offended by a definition of science that emphasizes empirical verification and does not recognize thinking and informal exploration as important scientific work. I agree that mere speculation does not deserve to be called science. I also think that mere empirical studies not directed by good scientific thinking are at best a very poor kind of science. In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: > ... >I think that Lee Lady and I are talking at cross purposes. > ... Lady seems concerned with the contrast between great >science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre >science that makes smaller steps. In most of this thread, I have >been concerned with the difference between what is science and >what is not. I don't think that science should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science --- namely thinking and informal exploration --- are not recognized as scientific work. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet " 6081,6,"From: Feng.Qian@launchpad.unc.edu (Feng Qian) Subject: IRWIN 250 owners: don't miss this deal on tapes Article-I.D.: samba.1993Apr6.152232.28010 Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu IRWIN suggests the use of pre-formatted tapes for their tape drives, as you often can't successfully format a tape and need bulk-erase it before you can format it again. Anyway, I have some new, preformatted tapes for IRWIN 250 tape drives. IRWIN accuTRAK series 120-250MB, $16/ea. New never used. 3M DC2120, RHOMAT Format. $16/ea. Wraped. Email if interested. Feng -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 6082,18,"Organization: Arizona State University From: Subject: Re: Celebrate Liberty! 1993 Lines: 5 Narrative, narrative, narrative. . . C.B. " 6083,8,"From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) Subject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH..... Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization Lines: 43 In article jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes: > > Watch out. Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means > that they were or are looking to steal the bike. In my case, I > had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an > apartment carport and not visible from the street. They evidently > decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to > steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building. > A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops. > > >I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the >things that is really good about BMW bikes. From all accounts I've >heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto >Guzzis and other relative ""exotics"" since there isn't a large demand >for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems >that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. Well, I'd say you're mostly right, but for different reasons. (BTW, as of a couple years ago, the most stolen bikes in Orange County and SF were 750 GSX's and Ninjas). Probably the biggest reason BMWs aren't ripped off is that most people who buy BMWs will only deal with the actual BMW dealer, or mail- order types. Most of these can have their inventory checked fairly easily by law-enforcement types, and their mark-up is usually sufficient to keep them honest about acquiring parts. For Harleys and rice-rockets, you've got 2 different situations. There is a HUGE aftermarket in Harley parts, so a bike can be parted out fairly easily. Ditto the non-sport Japanese bikes, but the prices on the parts for these are not as high, comparatively. For the 'rockets', anytime a bike goes down, the plastic is usually cracked, and is expensive to replace. It's fairly easy, then, for a disreputable shop to take a fairing from a stolen bike, slap it on a bike in for repair, repaint it, and make a tidy profit. The other parts, more traceable, can be used, or discarded if they are too traceable. Mike -- Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^? exit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT ^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !! man help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel ""Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."" " 6084,19,"From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615 Lines: 32 alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!)) writes: > In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony > > > > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have > >probably spent more time than you doing the same. > > > > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the > >case. > > Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that > AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin > off of AMORC?? > i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this > claim. > > Well, there is a fair amount of evidence floating around that indicates that OTO has been around since at least the late 1800s, long before Crowley ever heard of it, how long has AMORC been around? (yes, I know that they claim to have existed as an organization clear into prehistory, but I doubt that they have any organizational paperwork as a non-profit that can be carbon-dated to 20,000 BC) A.Lizard ------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Lizard Internet Addresses: alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred) PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above) alizard@gentoo.com (backup) PGP2.2 public key available on request " 6085,2,"From: ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Keywords: ms-windows Reply-To: ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC Lines: 12 In article comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy writes: >>(1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group >> in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.) Get Norton Desktop. Put groups within groups, groups on the desktop, icons on the desktop, etc. -- Chris Ruckman - ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil | This .sig brought to you by Hull Structures Acoustics, Code 741 | your local Chevrolet bottler. Carderock Division, NSWC | " 6086,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: My Gun is like my Ame Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 23 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Mark Wilson responding to C.D. Tavares: MW>|So the laws exist, and the penalties are as you say, but nobody is ever MW>|prosecuted under these laws. They are ""traded away"" for easy pleas. MW>Having such gun laws on the books is still better than nothing. MW>What would the DA have traded away in order to get the guilty plea if the MW>gun law had not been in effect. Our liberty? Right...don't even think about enforcing the law and imposing the prescribed penalty....let's hose the citizens instead. --- . OLX 2.2 . Madness takes its toll - please have exact change ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6087,8,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Distribution: rec Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >Request for opinions: > >Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? > > >We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the >1-pc is better protection,..."" > >Thanks in advance, >Nadine I would be scared of trying to fit the one piece. When I got my two piece, I got the jacket in 42 and the pants in 40 (just due to my manly-man of an athletic build, kind of thing) No laughing, please. Seriously, I'm not trim and the 42 pants would have been way too big. Also, I don't think the 1 piece does provide better protection. If I'm wrong, I'll be swiftly if ever so gently correct by the net.pansies.of.knowledge (as they like to call themselves). Regards Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 6088,1,"From: ykim@cs.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) Subject: Fast wireframe graphics Distribution: usa Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 29 I am working on a program to display 3d wireframe models with the user being able to arbitrarily change any of the viewing parameters. Also, the wireframe objects are also going to have dynamic attributes so that they can move around while the user is ""exploring"" the wireframe world. To do this, I am thinking of using the SRGP package described in the Van Dam, Foley and Feiner book, but I was wondering if there was another PD graphics package out there which was faster. I would like to make the program as fast as possible so that it provides satisfactory real time performance on a Sun IPX. Ideally, I'm looking for a PD graphics package which will allow me to open a new window under X, and allow me to draw lines within the window. Also, it would also need to have some sort of event driven interaction handling since the user is going to move around the wireframe models using the keyboard. If you know or wrote such a package, I would be grateful if you could direct me to a ftp site which contains the package. Thank you. -- =============================================================================== Yong Su Kim, Class of 1993 | Internet: yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Columbia College, Columbia University | or ykim@cs.columbia.edu " 6089,10,"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 26 >Post: 51246 of 51422 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) >Subject: Plus minus stat >Organization: University of Western Ontario >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:42:11 GMT >Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca >Lines: 165 >I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all >that much. But your dismissal of him as something less than an >effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in >anything. How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go ^^^^^^^ Ooops...that should read Selke...forgive me for my insolence. congenially, as always, jd -- James David j3david@student.business.uwo.ca j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario " 6090,4,"From: root@ncube.com (Operator) Subject: Photo shop scanner? Nntp-Posting-Host: admin Reply-To: root@ncube.com Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA Lines: 23 I have a Macc IIci and a Color scanner. I scanned a picture at 600 dpi. When I try to print it on my HP500 color printer, after 10 minutes of making noise, the mac hangs. I would need to reboot it. What does this mean? Do I need to buy more memory? I have 5.0 MB now. I also have about 50 MB of disk free, and the scanned picture is about 12 MB. --- ^~ @ * * Captain Zod... _|/_ / zod@ncube.com |-|-|/ 0 /| 0 / | \=======&==\=== \===========&=== " 6091,14,"From: simon@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Simon Tardell) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Nntp-Posting-Host: cyklop.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 14 In <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: >Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >to compute sunrise and sunset times. >I would appreciate any advice. I once thought it would be easiest fitting a sine to the times. But not. This gave discrepancy of upto six minutes. If you fit a sine series you'll get a very good fit after just three or four terms though. This presumably has to do with the eccentricity of the Earths orbit. -- Simon Tardell, Ff88, simon@nada.kth.se V}ga v{gra cgs! " 6092,17,"From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ? Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > >In article , hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: >|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >|> >|> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? >|> ------------------------------------ >|> >|> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they >|> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and >|> attempt to starve the Gazans. >|> >|> [...] >|> >|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and >|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas >|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all >|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >|> these wnderful ""freedom fighters"" attain this ultimate goal. >|> >|> Maybe the ""freedom fighters"" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. >|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. >|> >|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I >|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. >|> >|> Harry. > >O.K., its my turn: > > DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! > >I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed >to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their >plan ! This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen. It was not coined by B'nai B'rith or, for that matter, any Jewish organization. -- ""How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee."" -Tim Rice,""Chess"" Eric S. Perlman Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder " 6093,15,"From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) Subject: Re: WBT (WAS: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK) Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 17 poram%mlsma@att.att.com wrote: : Having met Peter Kingston (of WBT) some years back, he struck me : as an exemplery and dedicated Christian whose main concern was with : translation of the Word of God and the welfare of the people : group he was serving. : WBT literature is concerned mainly with providing Scripture : in minority languages. Yes, in fact Peter is now at Wycliffe HQ in the U.K., and is a member of my church. I would fully endorse the above -- Peter is a very Godly man, with a passion for serving Christ. On one occasion he specifically addressed the issue of ``cultural interference'' in a sermon, presumably from his experience of allegations directed at Wycliffe. (Perhaps I could find the tape...?) -- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk) " 6094,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: USA McWeekly Stats Lines: 13 In article , franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) says: > >Also, I have the impression from reading this group and Bill James >that Elias is a bunch of money-grubbing jerks whose mission is to >charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info > and bill james is not? yeah. sure. do you own ""the bill james players rating book""? bob vesterman. " 6095,9,"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Lines: 16 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit by a Designated Hitter, Jewish?? -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <, Center for Policy Research writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research > Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. > > /* Written 4:41 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ > /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. TORTURE."" ---------- */ > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. > > Newspaper: Ma'ariv Date: 18. December 1992 Author: Avi Raz > > Subject: Torture Sigh. Farwell LA, Donchin E. The truth will out: Interrogative polygraphy (""lie detection"") with event-related brain potentials. Psychophysiology 1991;28:531-547 ""The research reported here was supported in part by contract number 87F350800 with the Central Intelligence Agency. Preliminary reports were presented at the 1986, 1988, and 1989 meetings of the Society for Psychophysiological Research"". Donchin happens to be an Israeli. Do you really think that Israel needs something as primitive as torture when it has THIS as well as something brought over by a Russian mathematician from the Lenningrad Military Hospital in 1979 (factor-analysis of multiple unit activity of the brain) ??? Surely you jest. When Israel sics trained dogs on Arab prisoners the way it's commonly done on prison farms in Mississippi or Alabama, *then* you have a right to protest against torture. When Israeli security personnel beat Arab prisoners the way Chicago police do, *then* you have a right to complain. Since it does NOT practice physical torture in any way, kindly refrain from using this word. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > > Title of article: Moderate physical pressure > > Several times in the course of the long hours in the interrogation > room in Tulkarm prison, during which he says he was humiliated, > beaten and tortured, Omar Daoud Jaber heard his interrogator, a > Shabak agent 'Captain Louis', chatting on the phone with his wife. > ""At those moments"", Omar said, ""I felt that he was like a > humanbeing, but right after he finished talking, he would be beat > me and say, 'You listened to the conversation and enjoyed > yourself' and I understood that he was not really a human being"". > > In late October 1992, after 38 days in detention at Tulkarm > prison, Omar Jaber was released without charges. ""Among the Jews, > as among the Arabs, there are good people and bad people"", he said > after his release, ""but there, in Tulkarm, in the interrogations > rooms, you cannot find even one person about whom you can say that > he is a human being"". Although he left the detention installation > in Tulkarm bruised and humiliated (""I sat at home for ten days. My > hands shook from nerves""), one may consider Omar Jaber lucky: He > got out, not so healthy, but entire, and even ultimately returned > to normal functioning, at the small solar heater plant he owns. > > In contrast, Hassan Bader al-Zbeidi, for example, was released > seven weeks ago from detention in Tulkarm after 33 days in the > Shabak wing, cut off from his surroundings. He doesn't speak or > react. Mustafa Barakat, aged only 23, who was arrested in early > August and was brought to the Tulkarm detention installation, left > it one day later - dead. ""We have recently received an especially > large number of testimonies concerning cruel tortures employed at > the Tulkarm detention installation by Shabak interrogators"", noted > Dr. Niv Gordon, director of the Association of Israel and > Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights. (...) > > The right to complain against the Shabak does not excite Anan > Saber Makhlouf, a 20 year old student. In fact, he was extremely > fearful about describing the manner in which he was interrogated > in Tulkarm prison, in case the publication in the paper would > return him to detention and lead to renewed mistreatment. > > (...follow description of tortures....) > > Omar, a tall bearded man, was silent. ""I do not want to talk about > it"", he finally said, quietly. Some time later, embarrased and > ashamed, he spoke: ""Sometimes he beats you and beats you until > you'll kiss his hand, and not only his hand. Even the hands of > another interrogator, and another, whom he calls into the room, > and the last interrogator says:"" Now you are kissing my hand, and > later if I want, you will kiss my ass."" > > These things take place in an Israeli army detention installation, > located within the military government compound in Tulkarm (West > Bank). But the Shabak interrogation wing is a separate kingdom. In > early March the IDF allowed representatives of B'Tselem, the > Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Territories, to > visit Tulkarm prison, but denied them access to the interrogation > wing. ""The interrogation wing is Shabak property, being solely > under Shabak responsibility. All interrogations are performed by > it"", said Lieutnant Sharon Sho'an, the commander of the > installation, according to the internal report written by B'tselem > member, Yuval Ginbar, following the visit. Major David Pe'er, > governing commander of the prison system in the Central Command, > was quoted in the report: ""There is an ethical problem here - no > one can enter the interrogation wing"". > > Transl. by I. Shahak > " 6097,4,"From: qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Charlie Kuehmann) Subject: Trouble w/ VGA displays Nntp-Posting-Host: ironman.ms.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 17 I'm currently having trouble connecting my PB to a true blue (IBM Model 1513) VGA monitor. The display is bearly readable but all the details are seperated into yellow and red colors. ie. a window will have two images one in yellow and a ghost image in red. The background is also a little greenish. I read some time ago, before I ever thought I would hook my mac up to a VGA screen, about an incompatability with some VGA monitors due to the sync on green signal. Does this sound like it could be the same demon? I also read that there are both hardware (putting a diode on the green signal?) solution and a software solution to this problem. I don't the details does somebody have them the can e-mail to me or post them? I checked all the FAQ's for this and didn't find anything about it. Did I miss it somewhere? This sure seems that it would be a good thing to have in one. Thanks for any replys. Charles Kuehmann Northwestern University Steel Research Group " 6098,19,"From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world <1993Apr14.130150.28931@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Lines: 68 93!04.16 e.v. After the Glorious Eve of Taxation Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The word of Sin is Restriction. ""To all whom it may concern - ... ""It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women, who having themselves found the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided. ""While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the One Hermetic Truth. ""This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise: The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. ""It is a Modern School of Magic. And, like the ancient schools of magic, it derived its knowledge from the East. This Knowledge was never its possessors.[sic] It was recorded in symbol, parable and allegory, requiring a Key for its interpretation.... ""This key can be placed within the reach of all those who... apply for membership to the Oriental Templars (O.T.O.). ""The O.T.O.... is a body of Initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret knowledge of all Oriental Orders and of all existing Masonic Degrees.... ""The O.T.O., although an Academia Masonica, is not a Masonic Body, so far as the Craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in England, and therefore in no way conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the United Lodge of England. English Master Masons in good standing, by arrangement, on affiliation, are admitted at reduced charges. Members of the IX degree become part-proprietors of the Estates and Goods of the Order. For further information see the publications of the O.T.O., and the synopsis of the degrees of the O.T.O."" 'Constitution of the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars, Ordo Templi Orientis', by Frater Superior Merlin Peregrinus X Degree, Past Grand Master Albert Karl Theodor Reuss Taken from _Equinox III: 10_, Edited by Frater Superior Rex Summus Sanctissimus, United States Caliph of Ordo Templi Orientis Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will. I am I! Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) (CCCXXXIII) " 6099,1,"Subject: Cornerstone DualPage driver wanted From: tkelder@ebc.ee (Tonis Kelder) Nntp-Posting-Host: kask.ebc.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 12 Lines: 12 I am looking for a WINDOW 3.1 driver for Cornerstone DualPage (Cornerstone Technology, Inc) video card. Does anybody know, that has these? Is there one? Thanks for any info, To~nis -- To~nis Kelder Estonian Biocentre (tkelder@kask.ebc.ee) " 6100,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: > Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it >> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't >> adversely affect your own, I guess). >Hehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you >that this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such >transcendental game systems... Which objective system are you talking about? What is its goal? Again, which brand of morality are you talking about? keith " 6101,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 33 K(> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: K(> K(> RR> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote: K(> RR> OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984 K(> RR> ran the heading: ""Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by K(> RR> Drugs or Surgery,"" which has been echoed by several other reports. K(> RR> No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since K(> RR> the 20% magic of the ""placebo effect"" would award alternative K(> RR> practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine... K(> K(> 1: ""90% of diseases"" is not the same thing as ""90% of patients"". K(> K(> In a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people, and nine K(> incurable diseases which strikes one person each, medical science will cure K(> 91% of the patients and report that 90% of diseases have no therapy. K(> K(> 2: A disease would be counted among the 90% untreatable if nothing better than K(> a placebo were known. Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly K(> dispense placebos... K(> K(> -dk Hmmm... even *without* the ;-) at the end, I didn't think anyone was going to take the mathematics or statistics of my post seriously. I only hope that you had the same thing in mind with your post, otherwise you would need at least TWO ;-)'s at the end to help anyone understand your calculations above... --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: This mind intentionally left blank. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 6102,15,"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) Subject: Re: -= Hell =- Reply-To: Organization: HFSI Lines: 19 In article dmn@kepler.unh.edu (There's a seeker born every minute.) writes: > That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and >an eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King, >I might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to But then, on the other hand, if you really loved that King more than you did yourself, and He loved you to the point of assuring you that the eternal time spent with him would be eternal ecstasy, would you really opt for that choice? > Dana -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 " 6103,10,"From: jfp001@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Goalie Mask Update Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA In article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: > > Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for > 1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if > the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! > Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! > > Player Team Pts Votes > ----------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Brian Hayward San Jose 15 6 > Andy Moog Boston 15 6 > 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 11 5 > 4. Ed Belfour Chicago 10 5 > 5. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 5 3 > Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2 > Ron Hextall Quebec 5 2 > 8. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Others receiving 1 vote: Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), > Clint Malarchuck (Buf/SD,IHL), Grant Fuhr (Buf), Rick Wamsley > (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), John Vanbiesbrouck (NYR), > Ken Dryden (Mon,ret), Bob Essensa (Win), Mike Vernon (Cal), > Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). > C'mon, Tommy Soderstrom is having a fine rookie (I think he's a rookie) season with the Flyers. I'm sure most of you knew that already, but just in case. John P. jfp001@acad.drake.edu A longtime, but realistic Ranger fan who's willing to admit that the Rangers sucked big-time this year. They don't even deserve the luxury of a nice golf course with a warm breeze. God, talk about underachievers! Mike Keenan - we're waiting for you! > > -- > GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite > GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More > GO HORNETS! || > GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 6104,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith IS a relativist! Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) writes: >Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human >to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start >posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute >morality' blurb a few weeks ago. Did I claim that there was an absolute morality, or just an objective one? keith " 6105,1,"From: CBW790S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext (Corey Webb) Subject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP Organization: SouthWest Mo State Univ Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 In article <1993Apr19.160944.20236W@baron.edb.tih.no> havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) writes: > >Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame >of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other >picture formats. > If you have the GRASP animation system, then yes, it's quite easy. You simply use GLIB to extract the image (each ""frame"" in a .GL is actually a complete .PCX or .CLP file), then use one of MANY available utilities to convert it. If you don't have the GRASP package, I'm afraid I can't help you. Sorry. By the way, before you ask, GRASP (GRaphics Animation System for Professionals) is a commercial product that sells for just over US$300 from most mail-order companies I've seen. And no, I don't have it. :) Corey Webb ____________________________________________________________________ | Corey Webb | ""For in much wisdom is much grief, and | | cbw790s@vma.smsu.edu | he that increaseth knowledge increaseth | | Bitnet: CBW790S@SMSVMA | sorrow."" -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 | |-------------------------|------------------------------------------| | The ""S"" means I am only | ""But first, are you experienced?"" | | speaking for myself. | -- Jimi Hendrix | " 6106,16,"Subject: Re: Nazi memoribilia From: cmay@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Christopher C May) Organization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona Lines: 34 In <1993Apr2.232511.10711@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool) writes: >Swatikas were also common in American Indian markings/painted walls etc. Is >it the Swastika that is bad? Just want to back this up with a personal anecdote. My grandparents have a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade from the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona. The decorative motif consists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner. What's more, the color scheme is black, white, and red. To the casual glance it would undoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind. Yet they owned it ten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power. As I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right about putting it back up until the 60's. It still draws comments from those who don't know what it is. --ccm -- Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu +=============================================================================+ | Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes promoted | | it, but only war and weapons have made it yours. -- Robert Ardrey | | Armaque in armatos sumere jura sinunt. -- Ovid | | The wise man's understanding inclineth him toward his right hand, but a | | fool's heart turneth him to the left. -- Ecclesiastes 10:2 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu +=============================================================================+ | Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6107,14,"From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) Subject: Re: Some Recent Observations by Hubble Keywords: HST, Pluto, Uranus Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 13 In article <15APR199316461058@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >Here are some recent observations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope: > > o Observations were made using the High Speed Photometer of the Planet > Uranus during an occultation by a faint star in Capricornus. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away! -- | Dick Pierce | | Loudspeaker and Software Consulting | | 17 Sartelle Street Pepperell, MA 01463 | | (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX) | " 6108,15,From: ab4z@virginia.edu (Andi Beyer) Subject: Translations Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 2 Which Version of the Bible do you consider to be the most accurate translation? 6109,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Article-I.D.: news.C51s16.ACz Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes: >Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. >it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and >ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile >magazines >""automobile of the year"" award, and are quiet impressive. Is the 24v LH under $16K, though? -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *""Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."" Peart ""Cinderella Man""************* " 6110,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 56 ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) writes: >bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes: >> >> >>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding >>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 has the message ""fpu: >>optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all >>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would >>they be so unclear about this issue in their price list? I think this is mostly the fault of the people who write up the literature and price lists being confused themselves. Since there are two possible processor configurations and one of the them doesn't have an FPU it does seem to be an option, even though it really isn't. >>I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting >>confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. Well, then allow me to end your confusion. The C650 ONLY come with an LC040 in the base 4/80 configuration. If you are not getting this configuration then you are getting an FPU. >>Why say ""optional"" if it's built in? Good question. I have been wondering that since Feb. 10th. >If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with >a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My >understanding is that the ""optional fpu"" refers to your option of purchasing >the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU. This is possible, but an option is something that you are supposed to be able to request when you want it. What Apple has done is given the buyer a CHOICE between configurations and not an OPTION. >Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU >system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system >(a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor. This is not unclear at all. In fact Apple has included in the ROMs of those machines with LC040s code to recognize the presence of the full 040's FPU and use it. Thereby making the upgrade as easy as switching chips. You pop the LC040 out and pop in a full '040. >Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY >comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU - >the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot >swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo). They did? I think I would double-check this. It has been stated countless times in this newsgroup by two of the Centris hardware designers that the LC040 and the full '040 are pin compatible and that the C610 can be upgraded to a full '040. -Hades " 6111,5,"From: eanders@cthulhu.sura.net (Eric Anderson) Subject: Re: Is Xlib thread safe? Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: cthulhu.sura.net Keywords: thread safe mutexes LockDisplay In article <9304132134.AA24803@alex.lcs.mit.edu> gildea@expo.lcs.mit.EDU (Stephen Gildea) writes: >No, the R5 Xlib is not thread-safe. But we are working on it. >See my article in The X Resource, issue 5. Consortium members >will have a multi-threaded version soon, and it will be part >of R6. There is a multi threaded xlib version written. Do an archie search for mt-xlib: Host export.lcs.mit.edu Location: /contrib DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib Location: /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1 FILE -rw-r--r-- 106235 Jan 21 14:02 mt-xlib-xhib92.ps.Z FILE -rw-r--r-- 1658123 Jan 21 14:03 mt-xlib.tar.Z Location: /contrib/mt-xlib FILE -rw-r--r-- 106235 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib-xhib92.ps.Z FILE -rw-r--r-- 1925529 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib.tar.Z et.al. -Eric ********************************************************* ""Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."" -The Nine Billion Names of God ""Yes, you're very smart. Shut up."" -In ""The Princess Bride"" ********************************************************* " 6112,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S. Lines: 37 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 37 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) >Subject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S. >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 01:51:57 GMT >In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu >(TAMMY R HEALY) wrote: >> Ezekiel 28:17 says, Your hart was filled with pride because of all your >> beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. Therefore >> I have cast you down the the ground and exposed you helpless before the >> curious gaze of Kings."" > >> For those of you who are Bible scholars, you knowthat the 1st 11 verses >> refer to the Prince of Tyre. This is a prophesy about and addressed to the >> human prince. Verses 12-19 refer to the King of Tyre, which is a term for >> Satan. > >Tammy, what's the rationale to connect the prince of Tyre with Satan, >could you give us more rational bible cites, thanks? I'm afraid that >if this is not the case, your thinking model falls apart like a house >of cards. But let's see! > >Cheers, >Kent >--- >sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. At the time Ezekiel was written, Israel was in apostacy again and if I'm not mistaken, Tyre was about to make war on Israel. Like I said, the Prince of Tyre was the human ruler of Tyre. He was a wicked man. By calling Satan the King of Tyre, Ezekiel was saying that Satan is the real ruler over Tyre. Don't think my interpretation is neccessarily the orthodox Christian one, although most Christian Bible commentaries interpret the King of Tyre as being a reference to Satan. (I haven't read Ezekiel throughly in a long time.) Tammy " 6113,15,"From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Catholic Liturgy Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 60 The problems with Catholic liturgy are likely to continue for some time. The problem is, in a nutshell, this: the Liturgy is a symbolic action - in other words Catholics do [or should] believe that the _signs_ during the mass - Water, Blessings, Vestments, Altar, Relics, etc - are real. That is the sprinkling of water bestows real, almost tangible, holiness, the Vestments are a real indication of real sacred time. The point of a _symbol_ is that it is understood by all to be connected to an underlying REAL referent. This kind of thinking precludes analysis; holy water is not holy because of anything, it simply IS holy. But, modern westerners find it extremely difficult, especially if well- educated, to think of the mass as a symbol. We are more likely to see it as a _sign_, ie an action that represents grace, but which could be replaced with other signs. In concrete terms, this means the mass has become a commercial for God's grace rather than the real thing. You can mess around with a commercial in a way you wouldn't dare with the real thing [ask Coca-Cola Co.!]. These attitudes have been encouraged by Liturgy workshops, etc. which instead of focusing on _how_ to do do liturgy, have focused on how to create a meaning in liturgy. You can only create signs, symbols have to come from God [or the heart, or somewhere deeper than analysis. The most dramatic example of this shift in understanding has been in the treatment of the sacred species [the consecrated host and wine]. Now, with pita bread etc, it is common to come away from the altar with hands covered in particles. If the Host is a sign of Grace, this isnt and issue; but Catholics in the past would have been distraught at this real desacration of the real symbol of Jesus' body. Modern Catholic liturgy is caught in this epistemological shift. We try to perfrom the old rites, but then we have some liturgomaniac priest get up and 'explain' what we are doing - so we stop doing it and start pretending to do it. This is not a soul filling experience. It doesn't help BTW that we have got stuck witha huge amount of two and three chord ersatz-folk music [again a result of mis-analysis: complicated tunes are in fact easier to remember than simple ones - this was the genius of Wesley and the 19C Anglican hymn writers]. Taize' is only slightly better. What are we to do? Well I suggest rejecting the parish system if it doesn't work for you. Search out a Church where the liturgy is well prepared not well-explained. They exist in every city. This is not BTW a matter of particular style: the music might be old or new. It is the attitude of the church that counts. Also, note that a conservative liturgy - harking back to pre-Vatican II days, does not necessarily mean the Church will be socially conservative. In NYC I can recommend: Corpus Christi - W 12st St. Corpus Christi - W 12st St. - very conservative liturgy, St. Joseph's, Greenwich Village. - Modern, ""clean"", largely gay Oratorian Church, Brooklyn - Very beautiful Avoid, anywhere, anytime a church with electric candles. Happy Easter: Christos Aneste', Christos Voskrezhne, Christ is Risen Paul Halsall Halsall@murray.fordham.edu " 6114,6,"From: kimd@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Chungwan Kim) Subject: WANTED: Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS Keywords: wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 11 I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS. If anybody out there has one for sale, semd email with the name of brand, condition of projector, and price for sale to kimd@rpi.edu (IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY) danny kimd@rpi.edu " 6115,6,"From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen) Subject: Fortegraph Emulator Card, what's this? Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC Lines: 14 someone gave me this brand new card. I am thinking to sell it cuz I don't need it. but the problem is that i don't even know what this is. this was made by Forte Communications Co. it has 2 board combined together (looks wierd to me) and has 2 9 pin ports (one male and one female), and also has a round port (like BNC, not sure). this was made in 1986, and has a ""fortegraph emulator & diagnostic"" disk with it. has anyone here ever seen this or known what this is. appreciate your help in advance. eric " 6116,16,"From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. ^^^^^^^ >There is no question about it. You can't spell. There is no question about it. >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. We must be reading different public opinion polls. I agree that the misguided public would like to see assault weapons banned (mainly because they are being lied to by the media about the frequency of their use in violent crime ... ~1%), but if public opinion were so dead-set against the RKBA you can bet that idiots like Metzenbaum and Schumer would be seeing their foolish bills getting passed through Congress a LOT easier than they are. And as governments go broke and can no longer protect their citizens you can bet that the American people will start to really appreciate the usefulness of firearms. Contrary to what you might think, time is probably on OUR side, not YOURS. >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. Yeah, right. Don't hold your breath. My condolences on the discovery of uncomfortable resilience in your mammary glands, but this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. ... ridiculous tripe deleted ... >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Yeah, the liberal press doesn't like us much, but you can't really expect coherent thought from them anyway. Their opinions are based more on a desire to appear politically correct than on facts (which are generously provided by the FBI, if they'd bother to put on their Birkenstocks and go to the library to read them). Most of my friends are anti-gun, and without exception NONE of them bases his/her opinions on facts. They would rather believe (despite all evidence to the contrary) that disarming law-abiding citizens would make the world more civilized, when all it really does is make us all sheep. They would rather wallow in their pitiful liberal white guilt about how society has driven the criminal to rob, rape, and murder. They support spending millions of public dollars protecting the rights of scum who have already demonstrated that they have no regard for society or its laws. They ignore the fact that areas with the strictest gun control (NYC,DC) have the worst crime and areas with little gun control (VT,NH,ID) have very little crime in comparison. But they have to ignore this because otherwise they would need to confront the fact that law-abiding citizens who own guns are not the ones that are causing most of the trouble in society. Oh no, we certainly can't accept that! But I guess I have faith that when crime starts making significant inroads into their neighborhoods and starts directly hurting them and their families, they will probably whistle a different tune. They just better hope it isn't too late then. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. Hmmm. I wasn't expecting company tonight. I might be able to whip up a quick cheese and cracker plate, but they should probably bring their own drinks. Do I have time to vacuum the rug? >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... I'm glad you ended the posting here. Your medication seems to have worn off ... ----------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. ----------------------------------------------------------- " 6117,17,"From: mbkolodn@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL BRIAN KOLODNER) Subject: How many israeli soldiers does it take to Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 2 Boy that was really humorous. I'm impressed by your incredible senses of wit, sarcasm and propriety. Mind if I post jokes about your mother? " 6118,11,"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Distribution: na Lines: 10 >security of the key-escrow system. In making this decision, I do >not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the >government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that >are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- >escrow system. Yeah, but does he intend to prevent the private sector from developing other applications that are equally effective in assuring privacy, but do not have a key escrow system? " 6119,13,From: Gia Kiria Subject: help Reply-To: gkiria@kiria.kheta.georgia.su Organization: Gia Kiria Keywords: information echo cardio dopler Lines: 9 HELP! Maybe anybody know names of conferences in Please help Me find any information for next keywords: echocardiography and cardiology+dopler I hawe no informatins on this subjects 2 years becouse i leave in Tbilisy. sorry for my bad english! MY adress: irina@kiria.kheta.georgia.su 6120,3,"From: masaoki@hpysodk.tky.hp.com (Masaoki Kobayashi) Subject: --- CR-ROM Drive Recommendation? --- Organization: YHP Hachioji HSTD R&D, Tokyo Japan Lines: 24 Hi all, I would like to purchase CD-ROM drive. The specs I would like to have is: * Applicable to Kodak multisession Photo-CD * SCSI(2) Interface * Compatible with Adaptec-1542B * Does not need any caddies * Cheaper ( < $500 if possible) * Double Speeded I believe there are no drives satisfying all of the above condition, so I would like to know all of your opinion. The above conditions are sorted by my priority. I think NEC CDR74-1/84-1 is a little bit expensive, but it DOES satisfy almost all of the above conditions. The problem is that I do not know the compatibility with 1542B. Has someone succeeded to connect these NEC drives to 1542B? I have heard a rumor that NEC drive is incompatible with 1542B adapter. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Kobayashi,Masaoki (masaoki@tky.hp.com) " 6121,3,"From: yuri@atmos.washington.edu Subject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: windy.atmos.washington.edu misc.entrepreneurs,misc.wanted,pnw.forsale,uw.pc.ibm,seattle.forsale,uw. .forsale,misc.forsale, misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.co omputers.other, Distribution: world From:yuri@atmos.washington.edu Reply-To: yuri@atmos.washington.edu Organization: Subject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Keywords: I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece. I am waiting for an offer. Yuri Yulaev 6553, 38th ave NE Seattle WA 98115 (206) 524-2806,524-9547 (home) (206) 685-3793 (work) (206) 524-7218 (FAX) INTERNET: yuri@atmos.washington.edu UUCP: uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!yuri " 6122,1,"From: dls@aeg.dsto.gov.au (David Silver) Subject: Re: Fractal Generation of Clouds Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.dsto.gov.au haabn@nye.nscee.edu (Frederick J. Haab) writes: >I need to implement an algorithm to fractally generate clouds >as sort of a benchmark for some algorithms I'm working on. Just as a matter of interest, a self-promo computer graphics sequence that one of the local TV stations used to play quite a lot a couple of years ago showed a 3D flyover of Australia from the West coast to the East. The clouds were quite recognisable as fuzzy, flat, white Mandlebrot sets!! David Silver " 6123,3,"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Re: HELP: Need DIAGNOSTIC DISK for my COMPAQ DESKPRO 286. Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 29 In article , steuer@clam.rutgers.edu (robert Steuer) writes: |> My emergency management group was given about 30 COMPAQ DESKPRO 286's |> from a local company as they were outdated. Problem is though, it |> seems that the CMOS settings cannot be set without this Diagnostic |> Disk. |> We get this error msg on boot up: |> 162-System Options Not Set-(Run Setup) |> Insert DIAGNOSTIC diskette in Drive A: |> |> If someone has this disk, please e-mail me. Thank You! |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> | Robert M. Steuer Amateur Radio: KF2EK@N3FOA.#EPA.PA.USA.NA | |> | Rutgers University Internet: steuer@clam.rutgers.edu | |> | VHF Repeater System Cherry Hill, NJ - KF2EK Repeater 145.370MHz | |> | Computer Operating System OS/2 2.0 - Why settle for less? | |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert, You have probably solved your problem by now. Anyway, if you can get your hands on QA Plus (version 4.21, maybe others as well), it will let you write the COMPAQ CMOS settings. I know because I just did it. I was just about to search for such a diagnostic disk when my brother-in-law fixed an old DESKPRO with it. You might try the simtel mirror FTP sites. George " 6124,9,"From: frankkim@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Frank Kim) Subject: Erickson, Keith Miller? Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 12 HI, I was just wondering if anyone knew when Erickson and Keith Miller are expected to come back and what exactly ails them. -- Sincerely, Frank S. Kim " 6125,3,"From: mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) Subject: Can't get 1280x1024 to work w/2M ATI Ultra Pro Organization: MDSSC Lines: 18 I am unable to get my Gateway 486DX2/66 to run Windows in 1280x1024. I ordered a 2M ATI Ultra Pro, and I'm pretty sure the 2M is really there because I *can* select 1024x768x65536. But no matter what I do with the Flex program in the ATI's program group, 1280x1024 remains ghosted out. I have Windows 3.1, build 59 of the drivers, DOS 5.0. The drivers were installed by Gateway, not by me, so perhaps there's a file missing from the hard drive. It runs 1024x768 just fine. I did go into the Desktop window and select 1280x1024. Sometimes it refuses (ghosted out), other time it accepts it, but when I hit OK and re-enter Desktop, it's back to 1024x768. At no time does it unghost 1280x1024 in the main Flex window. Help! -- | Keith Mancus | | N5WVR | | ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, | | when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish | " 6126,4,"From: nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena) Subject: HELP!!: 0300FF error at power-up a Mac Plus Nntp-Posting-Host: nestor.cimds.ri.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 7 I'm getting a sad Mac icon on a black screen with the error code 0300FF. Could someone please tell me what's wrong? Memory? Thanks a lot. I'd appreciate it infinitely... Nestor Michelena " 6127,7,"From: dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: techops.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. In article bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes: >I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been >mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the >left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer >button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure >out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what? Well, before we start calling the Engineering folks in France a bunch of braindeads for this... My 1979 Mercury Capri had this lovely feature. This was not the earlier German variant but the newer one that was identical to the Mustang of current fame. I can't tell you how many times this feature pissed me off. Come to think of it my brothers Zepher had this as well. Robert Dilmore dilmore@cray.com > >Going back to an earlier thread, imagine having to turn left, shift gears, >flash a stray driver in the intersection with your left-hand high beam on >the headlight stalk, AND, after the driver wouldn't move, having to honk the >horn on the left-hand stalk! Gives me the heebie-jeebies. > >--Barak > " 6128,16,"From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr17.082102.4155@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >In article , kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) writes: >> >> ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and >> moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King >> allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year! >> Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization >> change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties >> in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's >> a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus >> on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are > > Your response is yet another sign of the trend towards One World >Government. Many people such as yourself, who are otherwise probably >likeable and intelligent, show every sign of having been successfully >brainwashed. You don't recognize that your ""inevitable tide"" is rolling >into chaos and in no way represents an advance for civilization. Some >of us do indeed ""lament the passing of old forms"", such as the Bill of >Rights, which are indeed inalienable rights of man that cannot be >changed, transferred or surrendered...rights of man that far transcend > > Yes, Napoleon wanted a Grand New Order. Hitler wanted a >Thousand Year Reich. Lenin knew that Bolshevism would give us the >Universal New Man. The New World Order is just so much of the same >old tired garbage. The pathetic part is that so many Americans seem ""Put not your trust in princes"" is the Biblical proverb. The modern analog is governments. At the time of the founding of the US, the idea that citizens had rights above those of the government was not that common, but was explicit in the writings of the founders. To a considerable extent, Englishmen also had those rights. Yes, times change, and technology changes. The possibility of a few governments enserfing all of mankind was not possible until quite recently. In the feudal system, the lord was almost as restricted as the serfs, so having the people enserf themselves does not make anything better; most feudal lords, and even most slaveowners, did not mistreat those under them. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are under real attack NOW. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) " 6129,16,"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: FBI Director's Statement on Waco Standoff Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 26 In the interests of completeness, I thought readers of these newsgroups would want to see FBI Director William Sessions' statement, as released by the FBI press office. FBI Director's Statement On Waco Standoff To: National Desk Contact: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Press Office, 202-324-3691 WASHINGTON, April 19 -- The following is a statement by FBI Director William S. Sessions regarding the Branch Davidian incident in Waco, Texas: ""I had hoped to be making a very different statement this evening. After very careful planning and extensive preparation we all thought that today's efforts by the FBI to bring the Branch Davidians out of their compound would result in the peaceful resolution of the stand-off or at least meaningful negotiation. ""Instead, we are faced with devastation and death. However, I have no question that our plan was correct and was conducted with extreme professionalism and care. I applaud the restraint shown by agents in the face of life-threatening gunfire, and I thank them for risking their lives to try to end this peacefully. I have only the greatest admiration for the courage and professionalism of all involved."" -30- " 6130,6,"From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: For Sale: Misc IBM stuff Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 10 5.25"" Internal Low density disk drive. Monochrome monitor 8088 motherboard, built in parallel and serial ports, built in mono and color output, 7Mhz. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org " 6131,2,"From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: page setup in Notepad Organization: Clark University Lines: 29 In a previous article, JOEL@jach.hawaii.edu (Joel Aycock) wrote: > > I struggled with the margin problem for ages as well, until I >finally got hold of the shareware binary editor BEAV133, and dug into >NOTEPAD.EXE (there is no SETUP facility to force NOTEPAD to default to >0.0 margins- it's hardwired into code!!!). > > Do a SEARCH for "".75"", then change the offending bytes to "".00"", >et viola. Who are the guys who hardcode these ""options"" anyway? > > I'm interested in whether the problem only rears it's ugly head for >certain printers- I'm using an old Epson LX-800 (or is that EX-800? never can >remember). > >aloha. You are nto alone. I get the same problems with my Panasonic kpx 1124i (24 pin). Oterhwise, it's a great printer. I just can't find a driver for it, only for the non-""i"" version. Anyone seen it? Rob |------------------------------------------------------------| \ rmohns@vax.clarku.edu / _________\ /________ \ Rob Mohns / ================================================== Annoy Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself. ================================================== " 6132,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!) Summary: prior to Devils at Islanders Pregame Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 30 * The Keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated $5M in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket-holders (!), plus Paramount chief Stan Jaffe's chip against the Flyers over l'Affaire Lindros last autumn. Add to this that Neilsen might return as an assistant coach [Gerald, what'd I say earlier today??], and Roger conferred with Jaffe on the hiring. This hiring by Jaffe went over the head of MSG, Inc. (Par. subsidiary) head Bob Gutkowski and over the head and the protests of Pres./GM Neil Smith. * MSG is making the announcement on Saturday to get back at the Islanders for making the playoffs (i.e., steal the press). * Flyers owner Ed Snyder is livid and beside himself over this. * Keenan will make up to $900,000/yr. * Gary Bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at Gil Stein's admission into the Hall of Fame. * New crease colours, rather than blue? * The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 6133,9,From: dan@danberg.llnl.gov (Dan Bergmann) Subject: Need software for baseball stats Article-I.D.: danberg.1qkq0q$8rl Distribution: world Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: danberg.llnl.gov I'm looking for software (hopefully free and runs on Unix box) which will keep track of statistics for my company softball team (batting avg. etc.). If you know of any please post or respond to me by e-mail. Many thanks. -- ************************************************** ** Dan Bergmann dbergmann@llnl.gov ** ************************************************** 6134,3,"From: drp@camelot.bradley.edu (Douglas Pokorny) Subject: ISA bus pin question; re: Diamond Speedstar 24X Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 33 Today I recieved a in-warranty replacement for my Diamond Speedstar 24X. On the card I've noticed a few changes; mostly there is a new jumper labeled JP5. (The card is revision 5A) My detective work has shown that this jumper simply connects/disconnects the BALE line on the 64-pin part of the ISA bus. The question I have is simple: To those people who own this revision of the Speedstar 24X, what does the manual claim that this jumper does? To anyone with an ISA-reference, what is the function of the BALE line? On a related note: Are there any FTP sites which contain a descriptive reference to the ISA bus? My motherboard manual has a simple pin-to-signal-name chart, but that is it. -Douglas _________________________________________________________ ________ ___ ___ |_ __ \ | | | | Douglas R. Pokorny | |__| / | | | | drp@camelot.bradley.edu | __ \ | | | | CS major/Geisert Hall Resident _| |__| | | \__/ | |________/ \______/ ""Conveniently located in the Bradley University armpit of Illinois... Peoria"" " 6135,3,"From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 10 >the Mitsubishi. I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just >been released. Last year for the May '92 issue of Windows, I reviewed Do you have the specs for this monitor? What have they changed from the F550i? Do you know if their is going to be a new T560i soon? (a T560iW?) Thanks. " 6136,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: compartment syndrome - general information, references, etc. Keywords: compartment syndrome, blood clots Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <639@cfdd50.boeing.com> lry1219@cfdd50.boeing.com (Larry Yeagley) writes: >I have an acquaintance who has been diagnosed as having blood clots and >""compartment syndrome"". I searched the latest edition of the Columbia medical >encyclopedia and found nothing. Mosby's medical dictionary gives a very brief >description which suggests it's an arterial condition. Can someone point me (an Compartment syndrome occurs when swelling happens in a ""compartment"" bounded by fascia. The pressure rises in the compartment and blood supply and nerves are compromised. The treatment is to open the compartment surgically. THe most common places for compartment syndromes are the forearm and calf. It is an emergency, since if the pressure is not relieved, stuff will die. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6137,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 162 C.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote: : I : |> Jim, : |> : |> I always thought that homophobe was only a word used at Act UP : |> rallies, I didn't beleive real people used it. Let's see if we agree : |> on the term's definition. A homophobe is one who actively and : |> militantly attacks homosexuals because he is actually a latent : |> homosexual who uses his hostility to conceal his true orientation. : |> Since everyone who disapproves of or condemns homosexuality is a : |> homophobe (your implication is clear), it must necessarily follow that : |> all men are latent homosexuals or bisexual at the very least. : |> : : Crap crap crap crap crap. A definition of any type of 'phobe comes from : phobia = an irrational fear of. Hence a homophobe (not only in ACT UP meetings, : the word is apparently in general use now. Or perhaps it isn't in the bible? : Wouldst thou prefer if I were to communicate with thou in bilespeak?) : : Does an arachnophobe have an irrational fear of being a spider? Does an : agoraphobe have an irrational fear of being a wide open space? Do you : understand English? : : Obviously someone who has phobia will react to it. They will do their best : to avoid it and if that is not possible they will either strike out or : run away. Or do gaybashings occur because of natural processes? People : who definately have homophobia will either run away from gay people or : cause them (or themselves) violence. : Isn't that what I said ... What are you taking issue with here, your remarks are merely parenthetical to mine and add nothing useful. : [...] : : |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function : |> (other than limiting population growth) since evolution only occurs : |> when the members of one generation pass along their traits to : |> subsequent generations. Homosexuality is an evolutionary deadend. If I : |> take your usage of the term, homophobe, in the sense you seem to : |> intend, then all men are really homosexual and evolution of our : |> species at least, is going nowhere. : |> : : So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children? : Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated. Obviously you keep to the : Monty Python song: ""Every sperm is sacred"". And if, as *you* say, it has : a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own : arguement, natural. Consider the context, I'm talking about an evolutionary function. One of the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a species procreate, those who don't have no purpose in that context. : : |> Another point is that if the offspring of each generation is to : |> survive, the participation of both parents is necessary - a family must : |> exist, since homosexuals do not reproduce, they cannot constitute a : |> family. Since the majority of humankind is part of a family, : |> homosexuality is an evolutionary abberation, contrary to nature if you : |> will. : |> : : Well if that is true, by your own arguements homosexuals would have : vanished *years* ago due to non-procreation. Also the parent from single : parent families should put the babies out in the cold now, cos they must, : by your arguement, die. By your argument, homosexuality is genetically determined. As to your second point, you prove again that you have no idea what context means. I am talking about evolution, the preservation of the species, the fundamental premise of the whole process. : : |> But it gets worse. Since the overwhelming majority of people actually : |> -prefer- a heterosexual relationship, homosexuality is a social : |> abberation as well. The homosexual eschews the biological imperative : |> to reproduce and then the social imperative to form and participate in : |> the most fundamental social element, the family. But wait, there's : |> more. : |> : : Read the above. I expect you to have at least ten children by now, with : the family growing. These days sex is less to do with procreation (admittedly : without it there would be no-one) but more to do with pleasure. In pre-pill : and pre-condom days, if you had sex there was the chance of producing children. : These days is just ain't true! People can decide whether or not to have : children and when. Soon they will be able to choose it's sex &c (but that's : another arguement...) so it's more of a ""lifestyle"" decision. Again by : your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they must : be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children. Both are : as ""unnatural"" as each other. Yet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists for procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That homosexuals don't procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and nothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose. : : |> Since homosexuals have come out the closet and have convinced some : |> policy makers that they have civil rights, they are now claiming that : |> their sexuality is a preference, a life-style, an orientation, a : |> choice that should be protected by law. Now if homosexuality is a mere : |> choice and if it is both contrary to nature and anti-social, then it : |> is a perverse choice; they have even less credibility than before they : |> became prominent. : |> : : People are people are people. Who are you to tell anyone else how to live : their life? Are you god(tm)? If so, fancy a date? Here's pretty obvious dodge, do you really think you've said anything or do you just feel obligated to respond to every statement? I am not telling anyone anything, I am demonstrating that there are arguments against the practice of homosexuality (providing it's a merely an alternate lifestlye) that are not homophobic, that one can reasonably call it perverse in a context even a atheist can understand. I realize of course that this comes dangerously close to establishing a value, and that atheists are compelled to object on that basis, but if you are to be consistent, you have no case in this regard. : : |> To characterize any opposition to homosexuality as homophobic is to : |> ignore some very compelling arguments against the legitimization of : |> the homosexual ""life-style"". But since the charge is only intended to : |> intimidate, it's really just demogoguery and not to be taken : |> seriously. Fact is, Jim, there are far more persuasive arguments for : |> suppressing homosexuality than those given, but consider this a start. : |> : : Again crap. All your arguments are based on outdated ideals. Likewise the : bible. Would any honest Christian condemn the ten generations spawned by : a ""bastard"" to eternal damnation? Or someone who crushes his penis (either : accidently or not..!). Both are in Deuteronomy. I'm sure your comment pertains to something, but you've disguised it so well I can't see what. Where did I mention ideals, out-dated or otherwise? Your arguments are very reactionary; do you have anything at all to contribute? : : |> As to why homosexuals should be excluded from participation in : |> scouting, the reasons are the same as those used to restrict them from : |> teaching; by their own logic, homosexuals are deviates, social and : |> biological. Since any adult is a role model for a child, it is : |> incumbent on the parent to ensure that the child be isolated from : |> those who would do the child harm. In this case, harm means primarily : |> social, though that could be extended easily enough. : |> : |> : : You show me *anyone* who has sex in a way that everyone would describe as : normal, and will take of my hat (Puma baseball cap) to you. ""One man's meat : is another man's poison""! : What has this got to do with anything? Would you pick a single point that you find offensive and explain your objections, I would really like to believe that you can discuss this issue intelligibly. Bill " 6138,2,"From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ) Subject: Re: Windows hangs on 486DX33??? Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 49 wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: : Hello all you windows freaks out there. : : I bought Windows 3.1 (dutch version) some time ago, and run it on a : 286. I recently upgraded my computer to a 486DX33, 256K cache, 4M memory, : 212M Maxtor HD. Works real fine, but not with windows. : : When playing Patience (SOL) or minesweeper, suddenly the system hangs: : - I just can't move my mouse anymore. : or : - Screen goes blank, nothing further : or : - Screen goes blank, computer seems to reboot, but stops before reaching : the end of the memory test. : : Once (or maybe even twice) I got a message about some illegal kernel call : or something (accompanied by a hex adress) and a close-button. When pressing : it, the application wouldn't close, though. : : I haven't experienced this problem with other programs than these, but that's : mainly because I haven't really used other programs. I suspect them to hang : too. : : Anything known about this problem. (Or, better, any patches available?) : : : Oh, forgot to tell, if, in CMOS RAM, I make the computer faster (higher : bus speed, less wait states, enable both caches etc), the crash comes : faster (after 10 min. or so). If I deliberately slow the system down : (slow bus speed, wait states, disable internal/external cache, no : shadowing) the crash comes later, but comes. : : Hope anyone can help. : : Wouter. : : Hi, I got a problem too, with a 486DX2-66 VLB, 4 Mb RAM, 170Mb disk. Sometimes, when I switch on the computer, it starts Windows (3.1 Dutch) Windows switches to 1024x768, switches back to text-mode and exits to DOS. After one or two resets, the system works fine... Thanks Patrick VU Amsterdam " 6139,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very >>painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine. > >Well, most hangings are very quick and, I imagine, painless. I think this is a misnomer. > >>Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those >>days ], etc. >>All would be considered cruel under your definition. >>All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers. > >And, hangings and firing squads are allowed today, too. And, if these >things were not considered cruel, then surely a medical execution >(painless) would not be, either. But, this just shows then that painful execution is not considered ""cruel"" and unusual punishment. This shows that ""cruel"" as used in the constitution does NOT refer to whether or not the punishment causes physical pain. Rather, it must be a different meaning. --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" " 6140,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: Re: AHL Season in review (off ice stuff) Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr16.001323.10308@news.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes: >================================================== >SENATORS SOLD > >The Senators are currently in serious negotiations with Charlottetown >New Brunswick and are expected to move there. >================================================== It has been announced that the Senators will move their AHL franchise to Charlottetown, P.E.I. (Prince Edward Island), not New Brunswick. Charlie Cook charlie@calvin.cs.unb.ca " 6141,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: > Yet, the FBI mouthpiece at this afternoon's press conference characterized > the quantity of CS gas pumped into the building as ""massive"", and speculated > that after a few hours of exposure any Davidian gas masks would become > useless. > > Does this sound ""not harmful"" to you? Hm. A previous poster argued that the fact that the BD's did not rush to escape the burning building indicated that it was they, and not any of the government actions, that started the fire. On the other hand, I wonder if, with a face full of ""massive amounts of CS,"" *I* would be able to escape a burning tinder-box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 6142,6,"From: uschelp3@idbsu.edu (Mike Madson) Subject: Tires For Sale Summary: The last one was a test. Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.178.16.65 Organization: bsu I have a set of four 235-60-R14 Big O tires that I had on my 1988 Thunder Bird. We bought them and then traided the car in. They would not give me anything for them so I had them taken off. We drove about 2,000 miles on them. They are 40,000 mile tires. They are sporty looking low-profile, and take corners realy well. If you are interested please contact me at (208)384- 9236 OR DUSMADSO@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU I am in IDAHO. USA " 6143,4,"From: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn) Subject: built-in video problems on Mac IIsi !!??!! Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands Lines: 30 Dear Mac-friends, I've seen the following problem om three Mac IIsi machines all with 17 Mb RAM installed (70 or 80 ns SIMMs). If the contents of a window are being calculated and updated a lot of strange horizontal lines are temporarily generated on the screen. The lines translate to the top of the screen and have a slightly lower brightness than their surroundings (they are a few millimeters apart). I admit that they are vague, but they can still be distinguished clearly, especially if the environment (i.e. the rest of the room) is a bit dark. Applications which produce this effect are: - the previewer of DirectTeX 1.2 (i.e. DVIReader 1.2) - Kaleidagraph 2.1.1/FPU The machines use their built-in video and drive the old Apple Hires Monochrome screen (two monitors/cable sets tried). The effect is independent of the settings in the following control panels: Memory (adressing mode, disk cache) and Monitors (nr of greys/colors). Have you ever seen this effect too ? Is there a solution ? Thanks, Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred Walsteijn | Internet: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research | FAX: 31-30-543163 Utrecht University, The Netherlands | Phone: 31-30-533169 " 6144,14,"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: Graydon Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? <1993Apr7.124724.22534@yang.earlham.edu> <1993Apr12.161742.22647@yang.earlham.edu> <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) says: >In article <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon > writes: >>This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought >>not to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would >>think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. >>Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much >>larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, >>they will simply be able to afford more stuff. > >If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger >economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* >on a lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, >but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing military, >scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than just a ""we have >the money, why not?"" approach. I was assuming that there won't be a moon base unless it makes a profit, actually. If it does, well, that gives a larger GNP which leads to being able to spend more money on your military, including gosh-wow space stuff. (assuming it's profitable, rather than paying for itself.) > >It's conceivable that Luna will have a military purpose, it's possible >that Luna will have a commercial purpose, but it's most likely that >Luna will only have a scientific purpose for the next several hundred >years at least. Therefore, Lunar bases should be predicated on funding >levels little different from those found for Antarctic bases. Can you >put a 200 person base on the Moon for $30 million a year? Even if you >use grad students? You might be able to _run_ one for that; put it there, hardly. Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will be significant commerical activity on the Moon? Graydon " 6145,4,"From: Steve Bollinger Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 19:34:37 GMT X-Xxmessage-Id: Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 192 In article <1qsfak$skc@network.ucsd.edu> Doug P. Book, dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu writes: >Hi. I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra >900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem >on his PowerBook 170. Any info or experience anyopne has would be >greatly appreciated. > >When I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types >of sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH >speakers: > >system beeps (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record) > >Armor Alley >Spectre >Spaceward Ho! > > >But, the following games only play out of the left channel: > >Lemmings >Out of This World (awesome game, BTW) >Glider 4.0 >OIDS > > >But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers. >(The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which >my roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?)) > > >All of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run >OOTW because he doesn't have color). > >We're both running system 7.1 > > > >Does anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get >sound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or >greater, Centris, SE/30, etc... (stereo) machine? > >I used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in >stereo on that machine, not just on the left channel. (I could be >mistaken, though. If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB >170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo? If there >isn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are >apparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they >could just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of >both speakers (like Spectre, etc. do)? > >Quadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge), >so maybe this is a ROM problem? (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1 >patch over this problem?) > > > > >Thanks for any help you can provide! In article <1993Apr18.213827.9974@kth.se> Jon Wtte, d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se writes: >Mac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and >mix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in >stereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while >some are ""truly"" mono (like the LC) > >Developers know that stuff played in the left channel is >guaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn't. Some >send data to both, some only send data to the left channel >(the first is preferrable, of course) Okay, I guess its time for a quick explanation of Mac sound. The original documentation for the sound hardware (IM-3) documents how to make sound by directly accessing hardware. Basically, you jam values into all the even bytes from SoundBase to SoundBase+0x170. This was because of how the Mac 128 (and some later machines) generated sound was by scanning this block and D/Aing every even byte (the odd bytes went to the floppy on some machines). When the Mac II (and Apple Sound Chip) was invented, it was designed to generate stereo sound. It was also designed to be compatible with we had once documented. So storing bytes at the even values at SoundBase meant ""I want to play a mono sound"" and so it was emulated. But Apple had since retracted the documentation on SoundBase and decided not to document the lowest layers of sound generation. So apple never explained where to stuff bytes if you want to make stereo sound. Enter game developers. The sound driver and current sound manager are inconveniently lame for making games. Furthermore, people who port from the IBM don't want to learn more APIs. So, it has become popular for game writers to write to SoundBase to make sound, since it is very easy. Since the Mac II, Apple has had many different kind of sound output hardware, and the only things they have in common are that writing to SoundBase works. On some hardware, (Mac II, IIx, IIcx, IIci at least), writing to SoundBase gets you mono sound through both speakers. On some Macs (Quadra 700/900/950 at least) writing to SoundBase gets you mono sound on the left channel only. Both are technically correct interpretations of the original specification, but one is obviously preferable for asthetic reasons. If developers use the Sound Manager (and I think the sound driver), mono sounds will (typically) come out through both channels regardless of the underlying hardware. It is possible to specify you want to generate left channel only, but no one does. If developers write to sound base, their games will only come out the left on some games. The other problem, the original Mac II only producing left channel sound on the internal speaker, while the SE/30 mixes both, isn't really related. It is due to the post generation amplification used on the motherboards of the different machines. It only affects true stereo sounds. Sounds which are actually mono, will play on the internal speaker, no matter what machine you have. Now, to more directly address the question, the games you list: >Lemmings >Out of This World (awesome game, BTW) >Glider 4.0 >OIDS and also Hellcats, Super Tetris Oxyd (and many more, these are just what I've tested) Cheat and write to SoundBase and so are only left channel on Quadras. Other games you list: >Armor Alley >Spectre >Spaceward Ho! and also PGA Tour Golf Civilization (and more, these are again only from personal experience) Use the sound manager and work fine on all machines. The more of the story is to developers: DON'T CHEAT! Really, I am absolutely, positively not allowed to do what I am about to do, but I'm going say it anyway. Stop cheating on sound! Really soon, you will be sorry, as even those without external speakers will be disappointed with your sound on future hardware. The grace period is about to end. The Sound Manager is understandable now, and works pretty well and will work even better soon, so use it. In conclusion: To Doug, it isn't a hardware problem, at least, not a bug. To Jon, it isn't a choice to developers as to whether they want to send sound to both channels. If they do it the right way, it is taken care of automatically. If you cheat, there is not way to make it work on all hardware. Have fun. Disclaimer number 1: I don't work on sound here at Apple, I'm just pretty well informed. So don't write me with sound questions. Disclaimer number 2: If it says up above that I wrote anything like ""the grace period is about to end"" then it is a bug in your news feed, since I am catagorically not allowed to say anything like that. You know what I mean. Disclaimer number 3: I don't speak for Apple, just me. -Steve Bollinger " 6146,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 33 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says: >In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes: >> Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why >>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, >>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. > >assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of >a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts. i guess toyota >didn't care about ""little"" details like that when they can brag about >the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling. > >myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or >recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no >balance shafts.. it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you >ever want a halfway decent engine. > >if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do >except to sell it and get a V6. > > >eliot nice theory. too bad the MR2's never came with a four cylinder over 2.0 liters. More like 1.6. Or did they? were the nonturbo MR2II's 2.2 or some such? I also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders, must pay SAAB a royalty for using their patented design..like Porsche's 3.0 I4... c ya DREW " 6147,13,"From: jperkski@kentcomm.uucp (Jim Perkowski) Subject: Re: jiggers Distribution: world X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith Organization: Privately owned and operated UUCP site. Lines: 26 In article <1ppae1$bt0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> susan@wpi.WPI.EDU (susan) writes: > a friend of mine has a very severe cause of jiggers - > for over a year now - they cause him a lot of pain. > > i recently read (i don't know where) about a possible > cure for jiggers. does anyone have any information on > this? i can't remember the name of the treatment, or > where i read it. > I'll probably get flamed for this, but when I was a kid we would go to my uncles cabin on Middle Bass Island on Lake Erie. We always came home with a nasty case of jiggers (large red bumps where the buggers had burrowed into the skin). My mother would paint the bumps with clear finger nail polish. This was repeated daily for about a week or so. The application of the polish is supposed to suffocate them as it seals of the skin. All I can say is it worked for us. One word of caution though. Putting finger nail polish on a jigger bite stings like hell. (If I do get flamed for this just put jam in my pockets and call me toast.:) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ kentcomm!jperkski@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (and) kentcomm!jperkski@legend.akron.oh.us " 6148,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 32 In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Da vid Bonds) writes: >In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: > I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the > $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be > driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fee l > >Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the >ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but >quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better >shifter. > > >---- >The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system >Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB >Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models, and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two (because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have to go with a leftover or ""slightly"" used model for that price range....tough decision... Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- " 6149,8,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Bike advice Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 11 I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80. It is in mint condition and starts on the first kick EVERY time. I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it. I was told I should ask around $900. Does that sound right or should it be higher/lower? Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7. How much do I have to spend, and what year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg???? Thanks for the help! Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- " 6150,5,"From: barnettj@pookie.crd.ge.com (Janet A Barnett) Subject: Input Focus to a Window Other Than Where the Pointer Is Nntp-Posting-Host: pookie.crd.ge.com Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY Lines: 21 I have noticed in FrameMaker 3.1X on both the SGI and SUN platforms that certain dialogs, such as ""Column Layout..."" for example, respond to keyboard traversal even though the pointer is NOT in the dialog window and even though the window manager keyboard focus policy is POINTER. How is this done? I would like to emulate this behavior in my application. It seems a reasonable behavior since when a dialog is popped up from a keyboard action, the dialog is not guaranteed to be under the pointer and the user should not have to reach for the mouse just to move the focus. Alternatively, I'm open to any suggestions as to what is the ""right"" way to insure that popups get the focus when they appear, particularly when they are invoked from the keyboard and one's keyboard focus policy is pointer. Allen Barnett (whose wife graciously allowed to use her account) " 6151,12,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Telephone On Hook/Off Hok Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 26 In article <734953838.AA00506@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes: >MC>Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, th >MC>equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. >MC>In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. > >Ok lets have some calculation here: Going by Australian standards, which I >presume might be similar to other countries ( If not, lets have some >input) a phone uses 600ohm to loop a 48V line = 80mA. A standard LED >drains 20mA. So what is the actual loop current required for an ""off hook"" >indication, do you know? Up to 60 microamperes = on hook Over something like 10 mA = off hook In between = defective line, and the phone company comes looking for leaky insulation. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 6152,5,"From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung) Subject: need shading program example in X Organization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD) Lines: 7 Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. Appreciate the help. Howard. " 6153,6,"From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee) Subject: RE: === MOVING SALE === Summary: RE: === MOVING SALE === Organization: UB Lines: 44 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu Reduced Prices! I have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved already) Offer: 1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum) purchased for $32, $12 2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM/FM 5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo Tape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound. But, I bet it's fixable. purchased for $80 $25 3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification Made in Japan, includes case and accessories purchased for $50 $20 4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your head under/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons. (Don't ask me why my bro had it) purchased for $60 $24 5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never used $10 6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds and a cookbook, 5 years old $10 purchased for $50 8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle 525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new. $20 9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron. very new. $10 Any questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously And always, S+H are not included, so please consider this. And lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable. Thanks, John " 6154,9,"From: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) Subject: Re: Lots of runs Reply-To: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 18 In rec.sport.baseball, CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) writes: >I have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games (at least the >NL has). I believe one reason are the expansion teams. Any thoughts? > Except for the fact that there seems to be a lot of high scoring AL games also and I don't think the expansion teams directly affect them. K. Scott Day (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil) Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center Code 1252 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * ""The point to remember is that what the government gives * it must first take away."" * -John S. Coleman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 6155,18,"From: tk@pssparc2.mitek.com (Tom Kimball) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX Distribution: na Lines: 36 In article ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: >details that you are seeking, is that the Grahm-Rudman budget controls >were working. In fact, they were working so well that unless the feds >did something, they were going to have to start cutting pork. So Bush >and the Democrats got together in a Budget Summit and replaced >Grahm-Rudman with the now historic Grand Compromise in which Bush Yea, it turned out that Gramm-Rudman was a sham to fool the voters into accepting the borrow-and-spend policies of the last 12 years. >As it turned out, the taxes killed the Reagan expansion and the caps ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyone can expand the economy by chargeing $3 trillion on their credit cards. Big deal. Deficit spending only expands the economy in the short term. In the long term it shrinks the economy for numerous reasons. I would have MUCH preferred that the taxpayers had that $3 trillion instead. >The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level >ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. > >Chew on that awhile. If Reagan had kept his campaign PROMISE to balance the budget by 1983, there would have been no need for Bush or Clinton to raise taxes. And all Reagan had to do was balance that puny Carter deficit. Chew on that awhile. -- Tom Kimball OpenConnect Systems 2711 LBJ Freeway, Suite 800 tk@oc.com Dallas, TX 75006 " 6156,6,"From: thssjxy@iitmax.iit.edu (Smile) Subject: FORSALE: Used Guitar amp. Article-I.D.: iitmax.1993Apr15.223158.15645 Distribution: usa Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Two years old Crate Guitar Amplifier model G80XL. - Handles upto 80 Watts. - Dual Input. - Two channels. - Reverb. - Three band eq. - Distortion. I am asking $150. (send me a mail to ""thssjxy@iitmax.acc.iit.edu"" if you are interested.) Prices maybe negotiable. " 6157,1,"From: d91-fad@tekn.hj.se (DANIEL FALK) Subject: RE: VESA on the Speedstar 24 Organization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc5_b109.et.hj.se >>>kjb/MGL/uvesa32.zip >>> >>>This is a universal VESA driver. It supports most video >>>boards/chipsets (include the Speedstar-24 and -24X) up to >>>24 bit color. >>> >>>Terry >>> >>>P.S. I've tried it on a Speedstar-24 and -24X and it works. :) >>Not with all software. :( For instance it doesn't work at all with >>Animator Pro from Autodesk. It can't detect ANY SVGA modes when >>running UniVESA. This is really a problem as we need a VESA driver >>for both AA Pro and some hi-color stuff. :( >Just out of curiosity... Are you using the latest version (3.2)? Versions >previous to this did not fill in all of the capabilities bits and other >information correctly. I had problems with a lot of software until I got >this version. (I don't think the author got around to posting an >announcementof it (or at least I missed it), but 3.2 was available in the >directory indicated as of 3/29.) I sure did use version 3.2. It works fine with most software but NOT with Animator Pro and that one is quite important to me. Pretty useless program without that thing working IMHO. So I hope the author can fix that. /Daniel... ============================================================================= !! Daniel Falk \\ "" Don't quote me! No comments! "" !! !! ^^^^^^ ^^^^ \\ Ebenezum the Great Wizard !! !! d91-fad@tekn.hj.se \\ !! !! d91fad@hjds90.hj.se // Also known as the mega-famous musician !! !! Jkpg, Sweeeeeden... \\ Leinad of The Yellow Ones !! ============================================================================= " 6158,17,"From: hamid@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali) Subject: Re: Clinton's views on Jerusalem Originator: hamid@celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: celeborn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr16.121356.28417@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes: |> I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated |> that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as |> Israel's capital. According to the article, Mr. Clinton |> reaffirmed this after winning the presidency. However, |> during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of |> State Christopher stated that ""the status of Jerusalem |> will be a final matter of discussion between the parties"". |> |> Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status |> of Jerusalem. All I want to know is if anyone can |> authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc. |> This would be one of the results of ""U.S. backed PEACE!!!!!!"" process. Hamid |> Thank you. |> |> Ben. " 6159,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Public Service Translation No.2 Summary: A Call to Action Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 61 Subject: Re: NETTEKI BUTUN VATANSEVERLERE DUYURU.... In article <1993Apr13.090647.2507@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton. ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] continues... [KK] BUTUN NETTEKI ARKADASLARA DUYURU.... [KK] [KK] (SIYASI PLATFORMUN HANGI ""TARAFINDA OLURSANIZ OLUN"") [KK] [KK] BUGUNLERDE BU NETTE OLSUN, TALK.POLITICS.MIDEAST VE TALK.POLITICS. [KK] SOVIET'TE OLSUN OLAGAN DAN FAZLA VE ""ETKIN"" ERMENI VE YUNAN [KK] POSTINGLERI YAZILMAKTADIR. BU YAZILARIN COGU GUNCEL KARABAG [KK] KIBRIS VE BOSNA KONULARINDA YOGUNLASMAKTADIR. BURADAN HAREKETLE [KK] ""HEPIMIZIN"" BIRAZ DAHA AKTIF OLMASI VE ""USENMEYIP"" CEVAP YAZMASI [KK] OLDUKCA FAYDALI OLACAKTIR. [KK] [KK] EVET, HERKESIN ISI GUCU VAR...AKADEMIK YILIN YOGUN BIR DONEMI [KK] FAKAT MEYDANI BOS BIRAKMAMANIN VE ULKEMIZIN CIKARLARINI ""IDEOLOJIK [KK] PLATFORMDA"" GOZETMENIN DE SORUMLULUGU VAR... [KK] [KK] YARINLARIN CAGDAS VE GUCLU TURKIYESI'NI HEP BERABER KURMAK UMUDUYLA, [KK] [KK] SAYGILAR, [KK] Kubilay Kultigin [KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR ***** In translation, as a public service: Subject: AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL PATRIOTS ON THE NET... AN ANNONCEMENT TO ALL FRIENDS ON THE NET... (REGARDLESS OF ""WHEREVER YOU STAND"" ON THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM) IN RECENT DAYS ARMENIAN AND GREEK POSTINGS OF THAN THE USUAL IN NUMBER AND ""EFFECTIVENESS"" ARE BEING WRITTEN BOTH ON THIS NET AND THE TALK.POLITICS. MIDEAST AND TALK.POLITICS.SOVIET. MOST OF THESE WRITINGS CONCENTRATE ON THE SUBJECTS OF KARABAGH, CYPRUS AND BOSNIA. DUE TO THIS FACT, IT IS QUITE USEFUL FOR ""US ALL"" BE MORE ACTIVE AND ""NOT FEEL RELUCTANT"" TO RESPOND. YES, EVERYBODY HAS HIS/HER OCCUPATION...IT IS A BUSY PERIOD IN THE ACADEMIC YEAR. HOWEVER, [WE MUST] HAVE A RESPONSIBILTY NOT TO LEAVE THE FORUM EMPTY AND WATCH THE INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY ON THE ""IDEOLOGICAL LEVEL""... IN THE HOPE OF BUILDING TOGETHER A MODERN AND POWERFUL TURKEY OF TOMORRROW. REGARDS, Kubilay Kultigin ***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING FILTH OFF SOULS ***** -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 6160,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: The Most Average Player in the NHL Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net And now, I interrupt your regularly scheduled news reading to bring you another message sponsored by the Department of Really Mundane Statistics: I passed the final individual player stats posted here the other day through a filter to average out games, goals, assists, points, and penalty minutes for the mythical average NHL pro who played in the league this season. (Why? Because it's Monday and I didn't feel like writing any REAL code...) Anyway, after I wiped out the 60-odd goalies in the list, I came up with: NHL average: 55 GP 11 G 19 A 30 Pts 69 PIM Then I passed the list through a second time to come up with the players who had the smallest percentage difference in each of the categories. Marty McInnis (NYI) 56 GP (1%) 10 G (9%) 20 A (5%) 30 Pts (0%) 24 PIM (65%) Igor Kravchuk (EDM) 55 GP (0%) 10 G (9%) 17 A (10%) 27 Pts (9%) 27 PIM (53%) These two are close in games, goals, assists, and points, but are too far off in PIM. This leaves, as the most average player in the NHL: Bobby Carpenter (WAS) 65 GP (18%) 11 G (0%) 17 A (10%) 28 Pts (6%) 63 PIM (8%) What an honor. I also passed the list through with the goalies still included. Kravchuk and Carpenter were still in the top three, but Rob DiMaio came flying up from behind to take the title: NHL average: 53 GP 10 G 17 A 27 Pts 64 PIM Igor Kravchuk (EDM) 55 GP (3%) 10 G (0%) 17 A (0%) 27 Pts (0%) 27 PIM (50%) Bobby Carpenter (WAS) 65 GP (22%) 11 G (10%) 17 A (0%) 28 Pts (3%) 63 PIM (1%) Rob DiMaio (TB) 54 GP (1%) 9 G (9%) 15 A (11%) 24 Pts (11%) 62 PIM (3%) It's all really kind of underwhelming when you think about it. -SG And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming... " 6161,12,"From: johnr@col.hp.com (John T. Rasper) Subject: ADCOM GTP500II IR sensor & repeater spec's? Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdvf.col.hp.com Does anyone know the details of the interface (5 wire din) for the IR remote sensor & (2 wire IR repeater) for the ADCOM GTP-500II preamp? The ADCOM part numbers are the XR-500II, SPM-500II, and IRA-500II. A cursory physical examination of the pre-amp connector indicates that the connector (5 pin din) may provide: (Viewed from connector front) | 5 1 (pin ?) +?v @ ???mA 4 2 (pin ?) +/-?v @ ???mA 3 (pin 3) Signal Ground (pin ?) Demodulated signal ?V-pp, ? polarity, ? mA drive (pin ?) Signal to drive repeater LED (drives through 150ohm resistor) ?V-pp I assume that the repeater connectors (mini-plugs) drive the IR repeater LED's directly. True? Can anyone fill in the ?'s. Thanks. -- John Rasper Hewlett-Packard COL johnr@col.hp.com P.O. Box 2197 (719) 590-5895 Colorado Springs, CO 80901-2197 " 6162,12,"From: mcole@spock (COLE) Subject: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.nmsu.edu I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, etc.? " 6163,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Distribution: na Lines: 28 bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: >RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. Actually, they're pretty worthless, if you want to evaluate players with stats. RBIs and Runs Scored should be banned; all they do is confuse victims of mediot brainwashing like yourself. You >can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: > The team that scores more runs wins the game! > --------------------------------------------- Uh, so? You've just explained why we use OBP and SLG to evaluate players. Precisely because the team that scores more runs wins the game. Traditional baseball stats have gotten way too far away from methods which enable fans to see who contributes to those runs scored - that's where OBP, SLG, Runs Created, Linear Weights, etc. come in. These simplify matters so that we can more easily measure a player's offensive contribution to the team's runs scored. Thank you for making our case. Have a nice day. Greg " 6164,5,"From: sp1henhj@edit (Henrik Balthazar Hjort) Subject: PostScript on X-terminal Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? Is there any way to make it work? Henrik ""Henrik Hjort"" Hjort " 6165,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids Article-I.D.: access.1psghn$s7r Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes: | |I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump |the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. |So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on |hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times |as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas |and liquid comparision of course! Could you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid. Sorta like the portable Iron Lung? Put some sort of flex tubing around the 'aquanauts' chest. Cyclically compress it and it will push enough on the chest wall to support breathing????? You'd have to trust your breather, but in space, you have to trust your suit anyway. pat " 6166,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 281 In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Read it again yourself, then re-apply the admonition you gave to the previous poster to yourself, as well. The first clause is not a condition, it is a reason for explicitly supporting the right WHICH EXISTS, MILITIA OR NOT, that the people have a right to keep and bear arms. This is NOT a right granted by the Constitution, it is a right presumed to exist by default. The Constitution mentioning a right is to prevent the government from removing that right by stating very clearly the government shall NOT infringe (mess with, block, limit) that right. Remember the Constitution is a bunch of negative things - things the government CANNOT do. All rights, etc not epxressly given to the government go to the states and the PEOPLE (the same people the other 9 Amendments in the Bill of Rights talk about). Since I am sure you will summarily reject my interpretation, I am appending a linguistic analysis by one far more expert than myself (and you, I suspect). I am sure you will find his qualifications adequate. If that isn't enough I can send you the Senate Subcommitee to the Judiciary on the Constitution report on the same thing... There are some things in there that Big Brother types, like Biden, etc must have really had to swallow hard to admit. I think you will find that people that seriously study the Constitution and state what it means will say the same thing. Those who come up with 'new improved meanings' are those who are trying to subvert the Constitution for a given agenda. Like Clinton and his Clinton Cripple, Gun Control, People Control, and Control Control, and the whole nasty mess. Please tell us how this person is in error, won't you? (And please back it up with some proof, since I am backing my assertion up with independent proof, and have a BUNCH MORE I can provide...). NOTE: Followups set to talk.politics.guns --------- Begin included article ------- THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT by J. Neil Schulman If you wanted to know all about the Big Bang, you'd ring up Carl Sagan, right ? And if you wanted to know about desert warfare, the man to call would be Norman Schwarzkopf, no question about it. But who would you call if you wanted the top expert on American usage, to tell you the meaning of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution ? That was the question I asked A.C. Brocki, editorial coordinator of the Los Angeles Unified School District and formerly senior editor at Houghton Mifflin Publishers -- who himself had been recommended to me as the foremost expert on English usage in the Los Angeles school system. Mr. Brocki told me to get in touch with Roy Copperud, a retired professor journalism at the University of Southern California and the author of ""American Usage and Style: The Consensus."" A little research lent support to Brocki's opinion of Professor Copperud's expertise. Roy Copperud was a newspaper writer on major dailies for over three decades before embarking on a a distinguished 17-year career teaching journalism at USC. Since 1952, Copperud has been writing a column dealing with the professional aspects of journalism for ""Editor and Publisher"", a weekly magazine focusing on the journalism field. He's on the usage panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and Merriam Webster's Usage Dictionary frequently cites him as an expert. Copperud's fifth book on usage, ""American Usage and Style: The Consensus,"" has been in continuous print from Van Nostrand Reinhold since 1981, and is the winner of the Association of American Publisher's Humanities Award. That sounds like an expert to me. After a brief telephone call to Professor Copperud in which I introduced myself but did not give him any indication of why I was interested, I sent the following letter: ""I am writing you to ask you for your professional opinion as an expert in English usage, to analyze the text of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, and extract the intent from the text. ""The text of the Second Amendment is, 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' ""The debate over this amendment has been whether the first part of the sentence, 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State', is a restrictive clause or a subordinate clause, with respect to the independent clause containing the subject of the sentence, 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' ""I would request that your analysis of this sentence not take into consideration issues of political impact or public policy, but be restricted entirely to a linguistic analysis of its meaning and intent. Further, since your professional analysis will likely become part of litigation regarding the consequences of the Second Amendment, I ask that whatever analysis you make be a professional opinion that you would be willing to stand behind with your reputation, and even be willing to testify under oath to support, if necessary."" My letter framed several questions about the test of the Second Amendment, then concluded: ""I realize that I am asking you to take on a major responsibility and task with this letter. I am doing so because, as a citizen, I believe it is vitally important to extract the actual meaning of the Second Amendment. While I ask that your analysis not be affected by the political importance of its results, I ask that you do this because of that importance."" After several more letters and phone calls, in which we discussed terms for his doing such an analysis, but in which we never discussed either of our opinions regarding the Second Amendment, gun control, or any other political subject, Professor Copperud sent me the follow analysis (into which I have inserted my questions for the sake of clarity): [Copperud:] ""The words 'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,' contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of July 26, 1991, constitutes a present participle, rather than a clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying 'militia,' which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject 'the right', verb 'shall'). The to keep and bear arms is asserted as an essential for maintaining a militia. ""In reply to your numbered questions: [Schulman:] ""(1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms solely to 'a well-regulated militia'?"" [Copperud:] ""(1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people."" [Schulman:] ""(2) Is 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms' granted by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state that such right 'shall not be infringed'?"" [Copperud:] ""(2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia."" [Schulman:] ""(3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well regulated militia, is, in fact necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed' null and void?"" [Copperud:] ""(3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence."" [Schulman:] ""(4) Does the clause 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,' grant a right to the government to place conditions on the 'right of the people to keep and bear arms,' or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?"" [Copperud:] ""(4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia."" [Schulman:] ""(5) Which of the following does the phrase 'well-regulated militia' mean: 'well-equipped', 'well-organized,' 'well-drilled,' 'well-educated,' or 'subject to regulations of a superior authority'?"" [Copperud:] ""(5) The phrase means 'subject to regulations of a superior authority;' this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military."" [Schulman:] ""(6) (If at all possible, I would ask you to take account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written 200 years ago, but not take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated."" [Copperud:] ""To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: ""Since a well-regulated militia is necessary tot he security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.' [Schulman:] ""As a 'scientific control' on this analysis, I would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence, ""A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.' ""My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be, ""(1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment's sentence?; and ""(2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict 'the right of the people to keep and read Books' _only_ to 'a well-educated electorate' -- for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?"" [Copperud:] ""(1) Your 'scientific control' sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure. ""(2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation."" Professor Copperud had only one additional comment, which he placed in his cover letter: ""With well-known human curiosity, I made some speculative efforts to decide how the material might be used, but was unable to reach any conclusion."" So now we have been told by one of the top experts on American usage what many knew all along: the Constitution of the United States unconditionally protects the people's right to keep and bear arms, forbidding all governments formed under the Constitution from abridging that right. As I write this, the attempted coup against constitutional government in the Soviet Union has failed, apparently because the will of the people in that part of the world to be free from capricious tyranny is stronger than the old guard's desire to maintain a monopoly on dictatorial power. And here in the United States, elected lawmakers, judges, and appointed officials who are pledged to defend the Constitution of the United States ignore, marginalize, or prevaricate about the Second Amendment routinely. American citizens are put in American prisons for carrying arms, owning arms of forbidden sorts, or failing to satisfy bureaucratic requirements regarding the owning and carrying of firearms -- all of which is an abridgement of the unconditional right of the people to keep and bear arms, guaranteed by the Constitution. And even the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), staunch defender of the rest of the Bill of Rights, stands by and does nothing. it seems it is up to those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms to preserve that right. no one else will. No one else can. Will we beg our elected representatives not to take away our rights, and continue regarding them as representing us if they do? Will we continue obeying judges who decide that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what it says it means but means whatever they say it means in their Orwellian doublespeak ? Or will be simply keep and bear the arms of our choice, as the Constitution of the United States promises us we can, and pledge that we will defend that promise with our lives, our fortuned, and our sacred honor ? (C) 1991 by The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation. Informational reproduction of the entire article is hereby authorized provided the author, The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation are credited. All other rights reserved. About the Author J. Neil Schulman is the award-winning author of novels endorsed by Anthony Burgess and Nobel-economist Milton Friedman, and writer of the CBS ""Twilight Zone"" episode in which a time-traveling historian prevents the JFK assassination. He's also the founder and president of SoftServ Publishing, the first publishing company to distribute ""paperless books"" via personal computers and modems. Most recently, Schulman has founded the Committee to Enforce the Second Amendment (CESA), through which he intends to see the individual's right to keep and bear arms recognized as a constitutional protection equal to those afforded in the First, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Fourteenth amendments. ------------- End included article -------- Can you still honestly say the Second is a 'State-Run militia only right'? -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 6167,3,"From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko) Subject: Re: Atari Mono and VGA Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP () Distribution: world Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton Lines: 35 In article <19APR199322421085@oregon.uoregon.edu> arosborn@oregon.uoregon.edu (Alan Osborn) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.090707.3686@tdb.uu.se>, m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) writes... >>Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a >>mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what >>graphics card you used. >I wish I could help! I posted a similar question about two weeks ago; >I got no response at all. I've asked locally at my friendly Atari store. >I was told that it should be possible, but that they had no idea how >it might be done. Nor did they particularly care to investigate. > >Please, if anyone has _any_ suggestions, post them! You might try asking on one of the comp.sys.ibm.* echos (the best one may be comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware). I say this because the conversion seems more geared toward a PC user wanting to use that monitor, than an Atari user who already can use the monitor (unless maybe they want to really go wild - converting the monitor to VGA, then using it as a VGA monitor with a Falcon :-) As for graphics cards, assuming that the Atari monitor can be modified/adapted to handle VGA signals, you should probably be able to use any VGA card (at least with a res around 640x400). I haven't tried this, but that would be my guess... Robert Anisko anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com ...you might want to price mono VGA monitors anyways - it may be cheaper to go that route than to do the conversion; besides, with the Falcon and beyond, VGA/SVGA/multisync monitors will probably be the way to go... " 6168,10,"From: sforsblo@vipunen.hut.fi (Svante Forsblom) Subject: Re: Suhonen will NOT go to Jokerit Keywords: Suhonen Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 17 >In tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) writes: >>According to the inside information, Alpo Suhonen won't be the next headcoach >>of Jokerit. It's pretty sure that Boris Majorov will continue, although owner >>of the team previously said that he will chance the coach. >>Tommi >Wrong information. They just announced that Suhonen has made a deal with >Jokerit. > >Tommi And Boris Majorov has made a 1+1 year deal with Tappara. Svante " 6169,9,"From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. > >Thanks. >Bobby Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world series games because of Yom Kippur) -- Pablo Iglesias pi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu " 6170,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: various migraine therapies Article-I.D.: pitt.19396 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 21 In article lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) writes: >I've been treated to many therapies for migraine prophylaxis and treatment, >and it looks like they'll try a few more on me. I have taken propanolol >(I think it was 10mg 3xdaily) with no relief. I have just been started 30mg per day of propranolol is a homeopathic dose in migraine. If you got fatigued at that level, it is unlikely that you will tolerate enough beta blocker to help you. > >If we go the antidepressant route, what is it likely to be? How do >antidepressants work in migraine prophylaxis? > Probably a single nightime dose. We don't know how they work in migraine, but it probably has something to do with seratonin. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6171,6,"From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) Subject: 24-pin Printer For Sale as well Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 35 I have a 24-pin printer which is an ALPs Allegro24. It's both a fast printer with LQ and a very sophisticated design. It has a straight paper path and the capability of auto-forwarding sheets to tear off and then back (a big paper saver as you never have to waste sheets to get a current print out). It can also handle single sheets without removing the formfeed and has sophisticated preferences options (you can interactively program all the preferences to control the printer and get printed feedback without ever using a computer). You get prompts and menus to pick your current setup and default set up. This was THE top of the line LQ dot matrix when I bought it three years ago for $399. It is also Epson LQ2500 compatible (besides it's own modes) and comes with IBM driver software (which I've never used since I own an Amiga). Has a card slot for upgrading memory or fonts. I'll let it go for $150 including shipping prepaid. COD orders must pay all shipping and COD costs. Adisak Pochanayon - 608-238-2463 ------- Also a light gun and UFORCE controller for Nintendo but with PD driver software to use them on the Amiga. The light gun is fully remote (no wires). Best offer over $75 ($30 less than my cost and they are both brand new). ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ---------------------------------- Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp! -- The Genie from Aladdin. pochanay@cae.wisc.edu eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment. ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ---------------------------------- " 6172,7,From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon) Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 7 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue. i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll never catch me dead in a minivan! eliot 6173,5,"From: dshaker@qualix.com (Doug Shaker) Subject: Re: MacX 1.2 color problem Reply-To: dshaker@qualix.com Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc. Lines: 43 In article KuL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr) writes: >I have a peculiar color problem with MacX, Apple's Macintosh X server. >I'd like to know if others have seen the same problem. It's happened >with the current version (1.2), and with version 1.1.7. >When some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows >are in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server >to repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen >for xterm windows, but has happened for graphic windows and with some >Motif clients. I expect what is going on here is that your colormap is full and, when the new application starts up, it cannot add the colors that it needs to the colormap. It therefore has to pick and choose from the existing colors. This makes it look ugly until it's window gets priority. Then Macx changes the colormap so that the selected app is getting the exact colors it wanted, but now other applications are having to make do with it's colormap. This is a problem with all color X servers (or at least all color Xservers I have seen) when the demands of the applications exceed the size of the colormap. My solution is usually to (1) avoid colormap-greedy apps and (2) display applications where color is just icing on the cake in monochrome mode rather than in color (if this is an option for the application). - Doug Shaker voice: 415/572-0200 fax: 415/572-1300 email: dshaker@qualix.com mail: Qualix Group 1900 S. Norfolk St., #224 San Mateo, CA 94403 Qualix maintains a mailserver with information files and demo versions of products. If you would like more information on the mailserver, send an email to qfacts@qualix.com (or uunet!qualix!qfacts). The email should take the following form: BEGIN send help send index END Name Address Phone " 6174,11,"From: arussell@austin.ibm.com (AG Russell) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Originator: arussell@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: > smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > > >Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack > >has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that > >hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's > >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, > >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build > >a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. > > Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that > read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the > machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium > that could index and archive it. At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was des encryped and the person that had sent it, went on vaction. Rather than wait two weeks I set up a straight frontal attack with one key at a time. It only took two(2) days to crack the file. No, I don't have any faith in DES. A.G. -- A.G. Russell Dept A06S OLTP section of PALS Group VM ID SC39093 at AUSVM1 Email arussell@austin.ibm.com Phone 512-838-7953 TieLine 678-7953 These are my views, on anyone else they would look silly. FREE THE BERKELEY 4.4 " 6175,16,"From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps) Subject: Re: Is it really apples to apples? (Lawful vs. unlawful use of guns) Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) Organization: IBM Kingston NY Lines: 51 In article <1993Apr16.092618.22936@husc3.harvard.edu>, kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes: |> I have been convinced of the right of AMericans to an effective |> self-defense, but something strikes me as odd among the |> pro-RKBA arguments presented here. |> |> The numbers comparing hundreds of thousands (indeed, even a |> million) of instances of law abiding citizens deterring |> criminal activity, seem valid to me. Likewise the number |> of gun-caused homicides each year (about 11,000/year?). However, |> it is surprising that the ""Evil AntiGun Empire "" (Darth Vader |> breathing sound effect here) never tries to compare |> ""All legitimate gun defenses"" vs. ""All gun crimes."" Instead, |> it's always ""All legitimate gun defenses,"" which includes |> cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed, and |> cases in which the criminal is not here, vs. just |> criminal gun homicides, which only includes case sin which |> the victim died. |> |> Why is this? Of course, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say |> that in each crime already measured (involving guns), the |> consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that |> a gun-based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn |> into a gun-basd robbery+homicide. Whereas in the legitimate |> gun defenses, one may assume that all those criminals who |> were deterred would have committed more crime or more |> serious crimes had they not been deterred. I think its an attempt to show lives_saved v lives_lost; all other gun related crimes don't result in lives_lost. On the other hand, its impossible to know how many of the successful self defenses prevented lives from being lost. In other words, the lives_lost is pretty clear [its the homicide and non negligent manslaughter number], while the lives saved is some percentage of the successful self defenses. Clearly that percentage doesn't have to be real high to show that lives_saved > lives_lost. As a semi-related point, check out Kleck's ""Point Blank"". I believe it goes into some related areas; it also is well written and informative. |> |> -Case Kim |> |> kim39@husc.harvard.edu |> -- Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com .. (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. " 6176,16,"From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE Nntp-Posting-Host: mushroom.psych.indiana.edu Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University Distribution: usa Lines: 28 <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork >to defend the burning of the children. Actually all the liberals I've seen have deplored the burning of children. I would far preferred that the Davidians had not set the fire that burned themselves and their children to death, but I don't believe that the responsibility for the fire (or the almost complete absense of attempts to escape the blaze) can be placed at the door of the Federal authorities. >Probably drooled all over themselves while watching the TV coverage. Not so. My wife got me a convenient plastic ""drip pan"" for Christmas... >Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well. Yeah, those Nazis. You know how we liberals just love those Nazis. >Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are >a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute. Yeah, as information trickles in... funny how that works... -- Nathan Engle Software Juggler Psychology Department Indiana University nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu nengle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu " 6177,10,"Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sat, April 3, 1993 From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 373 Tampa Bay 1 1 0--2 Philadelphia 3 2 1--6 First period 1, Philadelphia, Carkner 3 (unassisted) 1:24. 2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 9 (Recchi, Lindros) pp, 5:56. 3, Philadelphia, Lindros 37 (Recchi, Hawgood) pp, 9:52. 4, Tampa Bay, Beers 12 (Zamuner, Chambers) pp, 15:06. Second period 5, Tampa Bay, Andersson 13 (Hamrlik, Lafreniere) pp, 1:58. 6, Philadelphia, Conroy 3 (Butsayev, Faust) 12:10. 7, Philadelphia, Beranek 13 (Galley, Hawgood) pp, 18:53. Third period 8, Philadelphia, Recchi 51 (Brind'Amour, Galley) pp, 17:56. Philadelphia: 6 Power play: 5-4 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Beranek 1 0 1 Brind'Amour 0 1 1 Butsayev 0 1 1 Carkner 1 0 1 Conroy 1 0 1 Faust 0 1 1 Galley 0 2 2 Hawgood 1 2 3 Lindros 1 1 2 Recchi 1 2 3 Tampa Bay: 2 Power play: 7-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Andersson 1 0 1 Beers 1 0 1 Chambers 0 1 1 Hamrlik 0 1 1 Lafreniere 0 1 1 Zamuner 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Vancouver 1 0 0--1 Detroit 2 2 1--5 First period 1, Detroit, Kozlov 4 (Fedorov, Chiasson) 5:20. 2, Detroit, Drake 17 (Ciccarelli, Coffey) pp, 7:48. 3, Vancouver, Ronning 24 (Slegr, Bure) pp, 17:35. Second period 4, Detroit, Sheppard 30 (Drake, Hiller) 6:54. 5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 38 (Chiasson, Drake) pp, 12:13. Third period 6, Detroit, Ysebaert 31 (Fedorov, Cheveldae) sh, 4:59. Detroit: 5 Power play: 5-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Cheveldae 0 1 1 Chiasson 0 2 2 Ciccarelli 1 1 2 Coffey 0 1 1 Drake 1 2 3 Fedorov 0 2 2 Hiller 0 1 1 Kozlov 1 0 1 Sheppard 1 0 1 Ysebaert 1 0 1 Vancouver: 1 Power play: 6-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bure 0 1 1 Ronning 1 0 1 Slegr 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Buffalo 1 1 0--2 Boston 1 1 1--3 First period 1, Buffalo, Audette 12 (Corkum, Wood) 16:40. 2, Boston, Juneau 30 (Neely, Oates) 18:39. Second period 3, Buffalo, Errey 9 (LaFontaine, Khmylev) 10:51. 4, Boston, Douris 3 (D.Sweeney, Bourque) 17:57. Third period 5, Boston, Donato 12 (unassisted) 17:42. Boston: 3 Power play: 4-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bourque 0 1 1 Donato 1 0 1 Douris 1 0 1 Juneau 1 0 1 Neely 0 1 1 Oates 0 1 1 Sweeney D 0 1 1 Buffalo: 2 Power play: 5-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Audette 1 0 1 Corkum 0 1 1 Errey 1 0 1 Khmylev 0 1 1 LaFontaine 0 1 1 Wood 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Calgary 1 1 0 1--3 San Jose 0 2 0 0--2 First period 1, Calgary, Suter 21 (Reichel, MacInnis) pp, 17:47. Second period 2, San Jose, Zmolek 5 (Odgers, Evason) 3:03. 3, San Jose, Kisio 24 (Garpenlov, Gaudreau) pp, 7:23. 4, Calgary, Lindberg 9 (MacInnis) pp, 12:43. Third period No scoring. Overtime 5, Calgary, Fleury 31 (Otto, Yawney) 3:06. Calgary: 3 Power play: 8-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Fleury 1 0 1 Lindberg 1 0 1 MacInnis 0 2 2 Otto 0 1 1 Reichel 0 1 1 Suter 1 0 1 Yawney 0 1 1 San Jose: 2 Power play: 9-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Evason 0 1 1 Garpenlov 0 1 1 Gaudreau 0 1 1 Kisio 1 0 1 Odgers 0 1 1 Zmolek 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Pittsburgh 0 3 2--5 Quebec 2 1 0--3 First period 1, Quebec, Kamensky 15 (Huffman) 6:05. 2, Quebec, Young 27 (Lapointe, Huffman) 16:52. Second period 3, Pittsburgh, Mullen 29 (Lemieux, Murphy) 3:54. 4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 60 (Tocchet, U.Samuelsson) 5:07. 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 61 (Tocchet, Stevens) 8:12. 6, Quebec, Young 28 (Sundin, Kovalenko) pp, 14:52. Third period 7, Pittsburgh, Tippett 4 (unassisted) sh, 3:52. 8, Pittsburgh, Tippett 5 (McEachern, Mullen) 8:25. Pittsburgh: 5 Power play: 1-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Lemieux 2 1 3 McEachern 0 1 1 Mullen 1 1 2 Murphy 0 1 1 Samuelsson U 0 1 1 Stevens 0 1 1 Tippett 2 0 2 Tocchet 0 2 2 Quebec: 3 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Huffman 0 2 2 Kamensky 1 0 1 Kovalenko 0 1 1 Lapointe 0 1 1 Sundin 0 1 1 Young 2 0 2 ----------------------------------------- New Jersey 0 0 0--0 Toronto 0 0 1--1 First period No scoring. Second period No scoring. Third period 1, Toronto, Gilmour 32 (Andreychuk, Anderson) 16:22. Toronto: 1 Power play: 5-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Anderson 0 1 1 Andreychuk 0 1 1 Gilmour 1 0 1 New Jersey: 0 Power play: 3-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- Ottawa 1 0 2--3 Hartford 5 1 1--7 First period 1, Ottawa, Maciver 17 (Baker, Luongo) 4:22. 2, Hartford, Kron 11 (Nylander, Gosselin) 5:13. 3, Hartford, Burt 4 (Cassels, Verbeek) 7:59. 4, Hartford, Cunneyworth 4 (Yake, Nylander) 9:59. 5, Hartford, Sanderson 42 (Cassels, Houda) 11:11. 6, Hartford, Verbeek 35 (Cassels, Zalapski) pp, 15:50. Second period 7, Hartford, Sanderson 43 (Cassels, Zalapski) pp, 18:38. Third period 8, Hartford, Kron 12 (Poulin, Burt) 4:57. 9, Ottawa, Turgeon 23 (Lamb) 8:57. 10, Ottawa, Baker 17 (Luongo, Maciver) pp, 16:17. Hartford: 7 Power play: 3-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Burt 1 1 2 Cassels 0 4 4 Cunneyworth 1 0 1 Gosselin 0 1 1 Houda 0 1 1 Kron 2 0 2 Nylander 0 2 2 Poulin 0 1 1 Sanderson 2 0 2 Verbeek 1 1 2 Yake 0 1 1 Zalapski 0 2 2 Ottawa: 3 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Baker 1 1 2 Lamb 0 1 1 Luongo 0 2 2 Maciver 1 1 2 Turgeon 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Winnipeg 1 3 2--6 Edmonton 1 0 3--4 First period 1, Winnipeg, Tkachuk 27 (Housley, Zhamnov) pp, 14:38. 2, Edmonton, Klima 31 (Ciger, Elik) 16:05. Second period 3, Winnipeg, King 8 (unassisted) 3:54. 4, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 21 (Selanne) 10:25. 5, Winnipeg, Domi 5 (Selanne, Housley) 18:44. Third period 6, Edmonton, Manson 15 (unassisted) 10:58. 7, Winnipeg, Eagles 8 (Numminen, Bautin) pp, 14:13. 8, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 22 (Ulanov, Selanne) 15:27. 9, Edmonton, Gelinas 8 (Kravchuk, Ranford) 16:48. 10, Edmonton, Kravchuk 10 (Buchberger) 18:42. Winnipeg: 6 Power play: 5-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bautin 0 1 1 Domi 1 0 1 Eagles 1 0 1 Housley 0 2 2 King 1 0 1 Numminen 0 1 1 Selanne 0 3 3 Tkachuk 1 0 1 Ulanov 0 1 1 Zhamnov 2 1 3 Edmonton: 4 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Buchberger 0 1 1 Ciger 0 1 1 Elik 0 1 1 Gelinas 1 0 1 Klima 1 0 1 Kravchuk 1 1 2 Manson 1 0 1 Ranford 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Chicago 0 3 0 0--3 St. Louis 1 2 0 0--3 First period 1, St. Louis, Shanahan 46 (Janney, Hull) pp, 4:09. Second period 2, Chicago, Murphy 4 (Chelios, Roenick) pp, 0:50. 3, St. Louis, Shanahan 47 (Hedican, Janney) 1:18. 4, Chicago, Noonan 16 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 5:24. 5, St. Louis, Bozon 6, ps, 12:13. 6, Chicago, Roenick 43 (Sutter, Murphy) pp, 18:39. Third period No scoring. Overtime No scoring. St. Louis: 3 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 ps: 1 Total: 2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bozon 1 0 1 Chelios 0 1 1 Hedican 0 1 1 Hull 0 1 1 Janney 0 2 2 Murphy 0 1 1 Shanahan 2 0 2 Chicago: 3 Power play: 3-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Chelios 0 2 2 Murphy 1 2 3 Noonan 1 0 1 Roenick 1 1 2 Sutter 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Montreal 0 1 2--3 NY Islanders 0 2 0--2 First period No scoring. Second period 1, Montreal, Brunet 10 (Carbonneau, Daigneault) 4:39. 2, NY Islanders, Turgeon 51 (Thomas, Kurvers) pp, 9:14. 3, NY Islanders, Mullen 16 (unassisted) 15:13. Third period 4, Montreal, Bellows 38 (Desjardins, Dipietro) 3:01. 5, Montreal, Damphousse 38 (Desjardins, Bellows) pp, 10:11. Montreal: 3 Power play: 5-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bellows 1 1 2 Brunet 1 0 1 Carbonneau 0 1 1 Daigneault 0 1 1 Damphousse 1 0 1 Desjardins 0 2 2 Dipietro 0 1 1 NY Islanders: 2 Power play: 5-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Kurvers 0 1 1 Mullen 1 0 1 Thomas 0 1 1 Turgeon 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Minnesota 2 1 0--3 Los Angeles 0 0 0--0 First period 1, Minnesota, Dahlen 33 (unassisted) 2:34. 2, Minnesota, Courtnall 33 (Dahlen, Modano) pp, 9:30. Second period 3, Minnesota, McPhee 14 (Sjodin, Hatcher) pp, 7:24. Third period No scoring. Minnesota: 3 Power play: 11-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Courtnall 1 0 1 Dahlen 1 1 2 Hatcher 0 1 1 McPhee 1 0 1 Modano 0 1 1 Sjodin 0 1 1 Los Angeles: 0 Power play: 5-0 No scoring " 6178,7,"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller? Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 23 In article <1r0vk6INNaft@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes: >>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that >>Nissan claims that the Altima is ""the best selling new car namelplate in >>the US"" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics >>dept. would have been proud of that sentence. > >Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new >""nameplates."" I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as >Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no ""nameplate"" qualifier. But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima somewhere. You *can* have it both ways :-) Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 ""I post, therefore I ARMM"" " 6179,15,"From: moy@acf2.nyu.edu (moy) Subject: Apology Organization: New York University Lines: 3 I responded to a post last week and it carried somewhat of a hostile tone for which I am apologizing for. It is not my intent to create contriversy or to piss people off. To those who I offend, I'm sorry " 6180,0,"From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) Subject: Re: Jewish Settlers Demolish a Mosque in Gaza Organization: Manchester Computing Centre Lines: 41 In d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes: >In article kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes: >>Atheists are not >>mentioned in the Quran because from a Quranic point of view, and a >>minute's reasoning, one can see that there is no such thing. > But there are people who say that they are Atheists. If they aren't Atheists, >what are they? When the Quran uses the word *din* it means way of individual thinking, behaving, communal order and protocols based on a set of beliefs. This is often interpreted as the much weaker term religion. The atheists are not mentioned in the Quran along with Jews, Mushriqin, Christians, etc. because the latter are all din. To have a din you need a set of beliefs, assumptions, etc, to forma a social code. For example the Marxist have those, such as History, Conflict, etc. That they do not put idols (sometimes they did) to represent those assuptions does not mean they are any different from the other Mushriq, or roughly polytheists. There cannot be social Atheism, because when there is a community, that community needs common ideas or standard beliefs to coordinate the society. When they inscribe assumptions, say Nation, or ""Progress is the natural consequence of Human activity"" or ""parlamentarian democracy is doubtlessly the best way of government"", however they individually insist they do not have gods, from the Quranic point of view they do. Therefore by definition, atheism does not exist. ""We are a atheist society"" in fact means ""we reject the din other than ours"". Atheism can only exist when people reject all the idols/gods/dogmas/ suppositions/.. of the society that they part, and in that case that is a personal deviation of belief, and Quran tells about such deviations and disbelief. But as I mentioned, from a Quranic point of looking at things, there is no Atheism in the macro level. I think it took more than one minute. Kutluk " 6181,2,"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu (NDW) >I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! If an Uninstall icon doesn't exist in the Norton Desktop Apps group: Run NDW's install program with /u. " 6182,8,"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: [...] >horse's neck in the direction you wish to go. When training a >plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins >under his necks. Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein ^^^^^ [...] >Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, [...] Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread. I'm going to anyway, but I really hate it. Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway? Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse? Obmoto: I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling. It mentioned something about a signal for ""Your passenger is on fire."" Any body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy? This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute. ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" " 6183,8,"From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31 In article <1qkhrm$7go@agate.berkeley.edu> manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes: > >Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco >to Seattle? And how much might it cost? > >I remember a thread on shipping. If someone saved the instructions >on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email. > >Thanks, > >Manish Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association). Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN. Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks. I have used this service and have been continually pleased. They usually only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare the bike in any way (other than draining the gas). Not to mention that it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000) ________________________________________________________________________ Nick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817 '88CBR1000 '89CBR600 coburnn@spot.colorado.edu ________________________________________________________________________ " 6184,18,"From: al976@yfn.ysu.edu (Franklin Kadell Jordan) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu I am so tired about all this debate on how many gays there are! Such arguments are basically worthless, imho. Would it really matter if it were millions of people who are regularly denied access to housing, employment, and personal security or even only one? As for death threats, I happen to know from personal experience that gay people are far more likely to receive them based on political veiws or even personal philosophies related to the issue of sexual orientation than are heterosex uals. Not a week goes by that I personally or one of my friends is not physically or verbally harrassed for even appearing to be gay. Everyone is garaunteed certain unalienable rights under our current form of government in theory, yet every day gay people are victimized by their local governments, by the police force, and by (for the most part) an uninformed and ignorant public. Is this democracy? I don't think so. A society's sense of justice is judged on the basis of the treatment of the people who make up that society. All of those people. And yes, that includes gays, lesbians, and bisexuals whose ""crimes"" have no victims, and who are as varied and diverse as the society of wich they are a part. -- Frank Jordan  Gay Arab Bassoonists UNITE!!! " 6185,12,"From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr19.194525.3888@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes: >mcole@spock (COLE) writes: > >>I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out >>there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, >>etc.? > >Try lyman.pppl.gov -- /pub/8051 Great. This site is a complete shadow of the Signetics BBS 8051 directory. Thanks Brian, -- Mont Pierce +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | | bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | | modes: cw,ssb,fm | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6186,17,From: bill_paxton@fourd.com Subject: Argic Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Can you aswer me one question? How did you get to be so retarded? ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** 6187,3,"From: koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) Subject: Re: What is AT BUS CLK Speed? Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 24 In article <12934.73.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us> robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) writes: > >S >There is one param in the bios setup that says AT BUS CLK. I have >clock, which is beyond ISA specs, but may be ok if all of the cards can >run that fast. I would set it to 3 ( in fact I did ) and set it back if >anything acts weird ( e.g. you get unexplainable floppy drive errors, your >modem locks up, you have video problems, etc. ). If you overdrive the AT >bus, then that should be the first thing to check if you get an error on >your system. > >It is pretty safe to overdrive your AT bus, as long as your ISA cards >still work flawlessly. I suggest backing up your HD before playing with >it though. On my 486DX-50 (really 50, not DX2), my AT bus is set to CLK/3. At 16.67 MHz, I have no problems. Soundblaster Pro, Zoom 14.4 FXM, RLL controller, etc. All work fine. If I set it to 2 (25 MHz), I simply don't get past the POST routines. I doubt you could actually damage much by playing with it. Allen " 6188,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Spark Plug question? Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 21 In article mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes: > The nice thing about REAL platinum plugs is that you don't have to change >them very often at all. (I think like 50,000 miles!!) They might cost $10 >each, but they would save for themselves in the long run. My T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi. Wal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these ""real"" platinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad had 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword ""had."" They didn't last very long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced. I agree that they weren't the greatest.) James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 6189,6,"From: fuzzy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Peifeng Xu) Subject: Answering Machine Phone Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 17 Distribution: pnw Reply-To: fuzzy@u.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu *********************************************** PANASONIC PHONE WITH ANSWERING MACHINE - LOOKS LIKE A BRAND NEW - ALL BASIC ANSWERING MACHINE FUNCTION - 8 PHONE NUMBER MEMORY + RECALL FUNCTION - 1 YEAR OLD ASKING FOR $45.00 Interest? Please call me at 206-720-1089 --- Alex Choe ********************************************* " 6190,2,"From: mitchell@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Subject: Dataproducts LZR1260 not printing correctly Organization: Regional Network Systems Group, Perth Lines: 951 ---------- cut here ---------- part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VZL!SD!""P;T:P*G08%X-D!ZO5P,> *_.--._/ Perth , Western Australia v " 6191,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Smoker's Lungs Article-I.D.: blue.7934 Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? >Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take >a considerable amount of time for that to happen? The answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without doing a lot of autopsies. The second question is something that's been known for some time. It appears that within about 15 years of quitting smoking a person's risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the person who never smoked (assuming you do not get lung cancer in the interim!). The risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non-smoker. Still rather low overall, but significant. Personally, I'd be more concerned about heart disease secondary to smoking -- it's much more common, and even a small increase in risk is significant there. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 6192,1,"From: wlm@wisdom.attmail.com (Bill Myers) Subject: Re: graphics libraries In-Reply-To: ch41@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 21 Apr 93 12:56:08 GMT Organization: /usr1/lib/news/organization Lines: 28 > Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or > HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments. Yes, I do. A couple of years ago, I did a comparison of the two products. Some of this may have changed, but here goes. As far as a PHIGS+ implementation, Figaro+ is fine. But, its PHIGS! Personally, I hate PHIGS because I find it is too low level. I also dislike structure editing, which I find impossible, but enough about PHIGS. I have found HOOPS to be a system that is full-featured and easy to use. They support all of their rendering methods in software when there is no hardware support, their documentation is good, and they are easily portable to other systems. I would be happy to elaborate further if you have more specific questions. -- |------------------------------------------------------| ~~~ Here's lookin' at ya. ~~_ _~~ |`O-@'| Bill | wlm@wisdom.attmail.com @| > |@ Phone: (216) 831-2880 x2002 |\___/| |_____| |______________________________________________________| " 6193,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Blast them next time Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Distribution: usa Lines: 31 In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. > >The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored >transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use >more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to >do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they >must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. > >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. > >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. > Did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag? Al [standard disclaimer] " 6194,3,"From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood) Subject: Re: MORE Western Digital HD info needed Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) writes: `My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with `another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right `on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? Well, I figured out how the jumpers go. Now I have quite a different problem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know. I have both drives working, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed. Only problem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want to pass up looking for a system on the A: drive. Reinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to what is necessary. All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes back around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins. If you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine and boots up (ie how installed all my software) Any additional help on this will be most welcome.... swood -- Hunting over in Michigan? Don't Despair - NO CLOSED SEASON ON: opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings, feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month. " 6195,1,"From: ddeciacco@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Deciacco) Subject: Re: Another CVIEW question (wa Reply-To: ddeciacco@cix.compulink.co.uk Lines: 5 In-Reply-To: <20APR199312262902@rigel.tamu.edu> lmp8913@rigel.tamu.edu (PRESTON, LISA M) I have a trident card and fullview works real gif jpg try it# dave " 6196,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 44 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes: > If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the > above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been > allowed to happen... The willingness of the majority of the people to give up their freedom in exchange for a sense of safety is hardly limited to the USA, and is an endemic problem in any human society of any appreciable size. The structure of the US government does try to combat this tendency to some extent, but fighting entropy is always a losing battle. Most people would rather have comfort than freedom. The paradox is that you can't really have the former, in the long term, unless you have the latter. One of the reasons that I probably come across to some people as a weird cross between a libertarian and an ""establishment tool"" is that I end up taking an utterly pragmatic view of government. I don't get up in arms when the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in my lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will. As a result, I protect my own interests rather than expecting the government to be ""fair"". I will use strong cryptography when I think it is needed, whether or not it is legal at the time. Same thing with anything else the government would rather not see in private hands--that's their problem. What's important to me is using the right tool for the job. If it's legal, so much the better. If it is not, but does not violate my (very strong) sense of personal ethics, I will use it anyway as long I think it is worth it. Expecting the government to actually protect the interests of its citizens, except by accident, is utter folly. Even Jefferson, one of the major architects of the American system of government, figured that in a couple hundred years it would become so corrupt and self-serving that it would be time dismantle it and try again, by revolution if necessary. I agree, and while I don't go around trying to spark one, I'll certainly participate if it happens when I'm around. There is a reason I am such a strong supporter of individual rights while being so cynical about politics. I've already written off politics. And yes, this may get me in trouble some day. If so, so be it. I drive faster than 55 MPH, too. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 6197,18,"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 45 Distribution: usa <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> Reply-To: Jason C. Austin NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: phil@netcom.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:24:14 GMT In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: -> In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes: -> >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about -> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their -> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals -> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's -> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor -> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves? -> > -> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family -> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor. -> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at -> >the top of any sane person's list. -> > -> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural -> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called -> >""relevant"" or ""values"" education. Hey, it seemed like a good -> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real -> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted. -> -> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible. -> -> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their -> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of -> brats. -> -> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969. -> -> Apollo 11 and Woodstock. -> -> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and -> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.). -> -> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage, -> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems .... -> Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their parent's cars. -- Jason C. Austin j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov " 6198,3,"From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: Looking for Large MONO/COLOR VGA Monitor. Organization: NC State University Lines: 12 I am looking for a monitor 17"" or larger that could do 1024x748 with and 8514/A card (PS2/70) I guess I would prefere 19"" and MONO (later becuase of lower price) Please email me the brand, model, condition and asking price... (Please include this message for reference) ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== (919)515-8063 (W) " 6199,8,"From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) Subject: Re: neck reining -was- Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: microb0.biostat.washington.edu In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and >neck-rein. Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and >you pull in the direction you wish to go. Neck-reining steers a horse >by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the >horse's neck in the direction you wish to go. When training a >plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins >under his necks. Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein >pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit >(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days). I learned when riding bareback as a kid to ""palm-reign"", by just pushing on the right side of the horse's neck with your right palm to turn left - a lot like countersteering. So that came pretty easy to me in the transition to motorcycles. It took a while however to break my habit of kicking the rear fender with my heels to go faster. Steve __________________________________________________________________________ Steve L. Moseley moseley@u.washington.edu Microbiology SC-42 Phone: (206) 543-2820 University of Washington FAX: (206) 543-8297 Seattle, WA 98195 " 6200,13,"From: bbenowit@telesciences.com (Barry D Benowitz) Subject: PRK (Photo Refractive Keratostomy) Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 21 For those of you interested in the above Procedure, I am able to add the following facts: 1) This Procedure is not done in Philadelphia. 2) It is performed in Maryland at Johns Hopkins for corrections between 0 and -5 and from -10 to -20 (diopters, I think are the units). 3) It is performed in New York City at Manhattan Eye and Ear for corrections between 0 and -6. The magic words to use when requesting information on this is not PRK (they think you mean RK) but the excimer laser study (or protocol). This will get you to the proper people. -- Barry D. Benowitz EMail: bbenowit@telesciences.com (...!pyrnj!telesci!bbenowit) Phone: +1 609 866 1000 x354 Snail: Telesciences CO Systems, 351 New Albany Rd, Moorestown, NJ, 08057-1177 " 6201,15,"From: mwhaefne@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jesus in your heart..."" Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Lines: 10 > >> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. >> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject >> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. Why would you say ""especially Christianity""? Mark " 6202,5,"From: jmartin@egret.imagesRus (John Martin) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: suw3v.ess.harris.com Reply-To: jmartin@egret.imagesRus Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 39 > Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! > > Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation > of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've > finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. > I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() > is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the > Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory > pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: > (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or > (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what > is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to > a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is > running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with > XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? > > All help appreciated...thanks! > > Derek > >In article 16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: ----------------------------------------------------------- > | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | > | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | > | Cambridge, U.K. | | > | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Animation is most frequently done by copying the the client resident XImages into server resident Pixmap(s) using XPutImage. Once this is done, the original XImages can be deleted and the animation loop can be performed using XCopyArea from the Pixmaps to the windows drawable. Hope this is helpfull. John " 6203,5,"From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi) Subject: Ideal Operating System (Was: DEATH BLOW TO UNIX) Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Lines: 45 G'Day Windows NT is a step forward, but not by much. I guess for DOS users who think multi-tasking is really _neat_ (add puke here) and are overjoyed to be able to use more than 64K of memory, its a major improvement. For Windows users its more like an upgrade with facilities most Unix users take for granted. Most of Windows users only use PCs for text processing or running 3rd-party applications anyway so the operating system features are not even a real issue. My ideal operating system: Binary compatible across all plaforms. It should recognize binaries and configure on the fly, so I don't have to have bin/Mac bin/DOS bin/Dec bin/Sun bin/HP etc... Multi-CPU. So I can use the CPUs on my PC and W/S and Mac and Transputers and DSPs. I don't know a single site which has gone for a single vendor. I am not going to trade-in 80Mflops per H1 transputer or ultra-fast FFT on DSP chips. Note NT runs on Symmetric multi-CPU systems. Built-in portable GUI/Graphics tools. You can call DrawButton or DrawLine and it does the same thing no matter what platform or display. It should also translate graphics commands on-the-fly. so I can use PC graphics S/W on my workstation and X software on my PC. I think GUIs are not just nice to have but essential. Configurable front-end. So you can make it look like Unix or DOS or NT or OS/2, and run shell scripts or command/BAT files. Object oriented. So I can program easily under it and not have to re-invent the wheel if the networking is not up to scratch or my application needs to access source/object code on the fly. In other words it should have some AI capability. That and a tight, clean kernel so you can actually understand it. Anyone know of something like this ? adios Ata <(|)>. -- | Mail Dr Ata Etemadi, Blackett Laboratory, | | Space and Atmospheric Physics Group, | | Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, | | Internet/Arpanet/Earn/Bitnet atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk or ata@c.mssl.ucl.ac.uk | | Span SPVA::atae or MSSLC:atae | " 6204,15,"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 72 vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: >In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: > > ... > > > >Are all truths also absolutes? > >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? > > > >If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can > >explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and > >which truths are absolutes. > > The answer to both questions is yes. Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then. To me, an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture, situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree with this definition? I think you do: > Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a > contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always > true. Obviously, if a ""truth"" is not always ""true"" then we have a > contradiction in terms. A simple example: In the New Testament (sorry I don't have a Bible at work, and can't provide a reference), women are instructed to be silent and cover their heads in church. Now, this is scripture. By your definition, this is truth and therefore absolute. Do women in your church speak? Do they cover their heads? If all scripture is absolute truth, it seems to me that women speaking in and coming to church with bare heads should be intolerable to evangelicals. Yet, clearly, women do speak in evangelical churches and come with bare heads. (At least this was the case in the evangelical churches I grew up in.) Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) Can you reconcile this? > Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a > statement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this > way. If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement, > ""There are no absolutes"" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a > contradiction here. I don't claim that there are *no* absolutes. I think there are very few, though, and determining absolutes is difficult. > This is just one of the reasons why Christians defy the world by claiming > that there are indeed absolutes in the universe. > >There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical > >Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding > >Biblical interpretation. > > So? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate > the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe. But you are claiming that all of Scripture is absolute. How can you determine absolutes derived from Scripture when you can't agree how to interpret the Scripture? It's very difficult to see how you can claim something which is based on your own *interpretation* is absolute. Do you deny that your own background, education, prejudices, etc. come into play when you read the Bible, and determine how to interpret a passsage? Do you deny that you in fact interpret? Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com " 6205,2,"From: cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) Subject: Please Refresh On Internet Access To CompuServe Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Lines: 15 Hi, sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining CompuServe access thru the Internet. But I seem to misplace those articles. Can someone please refresh me where (which site) I can telnet to to gain access. Hopefully I can download files as well. Thanks, Arthur Lim Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg " 6206,13,"From: E.J. Draper Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? Organization: U.T.M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rpidev2.mda.uth.tmc.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 15:19:48 GMT In article <9551@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Kenneth Gilbert, kxgst1+@pitt.edu writes: >This is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently >rage. With respect to your OB, I suspect that she has been certified in >ultrasound diagnostics, and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its >use. Many cardiologists also use ultrasound (echocardiography), and are >in fact considered by many to be the 'experts'. I am not sure where OBs >stand in this regard, but I suspect that they are at least as good as the >radioligists (flame-retardant suit ready). If it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the process. Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that other physicians aren't aware of. Would you want a radiologist to deliver your baby? If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB/GYN to read your ultrasound study? In my opinion the process should involve a OB/GYN and a radiologist. |E|J- ED DRAPER rEpar|D|<- Radiologic/Pathologic Institute The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu " 6207,10,"From: ""Steve Hayman"" Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: Objectario Lines: 11 In article rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city. Well, actually now that you mention it, a few weeks ago the CBC ran a documentary on ""Ice Hockey in Harlem"". the Canadian Club of New York (something like that) sponsors a league for kids in Harlem and based on the TV report they all seemed to be having a lot of fun. All playing with regular equipment, jerseys, etc etc, on a proper outdoor rink. It looked just like kids playing hockey anywhere else. Some of the kids were even fortunate to get a trip to a hockey camp in Alberta. " 6208,3,"From: strataki@atalante.csi.forth.gr (Manolis Stratakis) Subject: Any Comments on EISA bus Book? Organization: FORTH - ICS, P.O.Box 1385, Heraklio, Crete, Greece 71110 tel: +30(81)221171, 229302 fax: +30(81)229342,3 tlx: 262389 CCI Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: atalante.csi.forth.gr Keywords: EISA, ISA Hello, I have the following list of books about ISA/EISA buses: 1. ISA System Architecture by Tom Shanley/Don Anderson MindShare Press, 1993 $34.95 2. EISA System Architecture by Tom Shanley/Don Anderson MindShare Press, 1993 $24.95 3. ISA, EISA: PC,XT,AT,E-ISA,ISA, and EISA I/O timing and specs. by Edward Solari, Copyright 1992 ISBN: 0-929392-15-9 4. AT Bus Design by Edward Solari, Copyright 1990 ISBN: 0-929392-08-6 5. Interfacing to the IBM PC/XT by Eggebrecht, Lewis C. Copyright 1990 Do you have any comments on any of them? Please reply by e-mail, Thanks in advance, Manolis Stratakis. " 6209,14,"From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu In article <1993Apr21.024423.29182@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) writes: >I hear that it will supposedly coincide >with the Atlanta Olympics. Even worse, the city of Atlanta has a proposal before it to rent space on this orbiting billboard. Considering the caliber of people running this city, there's no telling what we're going to have leering down at us from orbit. -- Matthew DeLuca Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew Internet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu " 6210,18,"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 61 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >In article lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: > >> 1) So what? > >So this bolsters the contention that many homosexuals are liars. So if this study is proved wrong then it proves that heterosexuals are liars? Unlike the propaganda spouted by the far right the ten percent figure was backed up by the best study available at the time. Its hardly certain that this new study is correct since it hasn't even been out for enough time for any double checking to happen. >The Alan Guttmacher Institute, btw, is funded by Planned Parenthood, >so it hardly qualifies as a bastion of conservatism, or of ""family >values"". Of course if they had found 10% then it would be invalid because it was funded by planned parenthood :) >> 2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers >> gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of >> us then this is an event unprecidented in history... > >This preassumes that 2.5 million queers will show up on April 25th. >There won't be anywhere near that many. Go ahead -- make my day -- >promote that number. That way, it will surely be a much greater >embarrassment and slap in the face to homosexual activists when the >crowds are much smaller. Even if its ""only"" one million the point still stands. Even getting 1/6th of a given population in one place would be unprecidented. If even 1 million show up in DC it will raise serious doubts about this study, or indicate a resolve unprecidented in human history. >BTW, have you noticed that even Slick Willie isn't going to be in town >that day? He isn't the target of the march, nor do presidents often speak at civil rights marchs (of course it would have been nice). However the republicans and conservative democrats would do well to take notice. >> -- >> ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . >> \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . >> \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . > >The above smacks of antiHispanic bigotry. This is quite amusing. Obviously you know nothing about the history of math. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . " 6211,1,"From: edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu (E.B.) Subject: POV problems with tga outputs Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu I can't fiqure this out. I have properly compiled pov on a unix machine running SunOS 4.1.3 The problem is that when I run the sample .pov files and use the EXACT same parameters when compiling different .tga outputs. Some of the .tga's are okay, and other's are unrecognizable by any software. Help! ed edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu " 6212,0,"From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Macalester College Lines: 100 In article , bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It That's okay: it's what all the rest of them who come on here say... > makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he > writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, > in the process he became a Christian himself. This isn't the guy who was a lawyer was he? Could you give more info on this guy (never mind- I'm sure there will be PLENTY of responses to this post, and it will appear there) > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether > Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a > different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what > others have to say. This is true. Make sure it is true for ALL cases. > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a Why not both? ;) > modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would > die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? Why not die for a lie? If you were poverty stricken and alunatic, sounds perfecetly reasoable to me. As to whether the societal dregs he had for followers would be able to tell if he was a liar or not, not necessarily. Even if he died for what he believed in, this still makes him completely selfish. Like us all. So what's the difference. People > gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing > someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did > heal people. There is no historical proof of this (see earlier threads). Besides, he (or at least his name), have been the cause of enough deaths to make up for whatever healing he gave. > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn > to someone who was crazy. SIEG HEIL!! >Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example > anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see > this right away. > Who is David Koresh? I am curious. Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the > real thing. How does this follow? Your definition of lunatic (and ""disproof"" thereof seem rather... uhhh.. SHAKY) > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in > the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal > and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I > write I will use it. Good idea. > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It > is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Naturally, those or not TRUE Christians, right? ;) > Rather I think it > should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's > sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the > same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives > over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a > real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But > just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes > time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. > It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in > a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this > time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be > carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for > ourselves. Someone else handle this, I don't know if it's worth it... *sigh* ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * ******************************************************************************** " 6213,6,"From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley) Subject: A1000 Memory Needed!!! Organization: camaro Lines: 27 Wanted: Amiga 1000 Memory Expander Any Size (at least 1 meg), populated or not eg. AX2000, Insider, etc. Needed Desperately! Cash deal or trade for: 2400 mnp4 Everex Evercom 24e External Modem 2400 pc internal modem PP 2400SA V42.bis external modem Apple II+ parts Lots of PC cards Panasonic Video CCD Video Camera (BL204) w/ lenses (Great for Digi-View etc...CCD...no lens...no burn-in!) Send Email ASAP! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HeartBeat of America...Yesterdays Camaro Z28 tfoley@camaro.uucp Call the Camaro Linux Pub-access site: 1-416-238-6550 USRobotics HST Note: Please, no ftpmail or mailing lists or the host gets annoyed :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6214,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 25 In article jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) writes: > >What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time >voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC. >Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international >business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans >it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, >Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the >NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist >stupidity. > Some countries have laws about importing crypto gear--I believe the U.S. does. Without a license the above scheme won't work (at least not legally) in such countries, including at least France and the U.S. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 6215,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: The Magi of Matthew was The Jewish Discomfort With Jesus Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 238 In article <1746.2BD37A66@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes: > Since everywhere I look, Zoroaster is suggested as being a probable > descendant of Daniel; suppose you prove he wasn't. Ref: Encyclopedia of Religion, Mircea Eliade MAGI: [Sneak Preview: Later still, eschatology and apocalyptics were a fertile meeting ground for Iranian and Judeo-Christian religions, as can be seen in the famous _Oracles of Hystaspes_, a work whose Iranian roots are undeniable and which most likely dates from the beginning of the Christian era, probably the second century CE (Widengren, 1968). The Zoroastrian doctrine of the Savior of the Future (Saoshyant) was the basis for the story of the coming of the Magi to Bethlehem in the _Gospel of Matthew_ (2:1-12).] The Old Persian word magu, rendered in Greek by magos, is of uncertain etymology. It may originally have meant ""member of the tribe,"" as in the Avestan compound mogu-tbish (""hostile to a member of the tribe""). This meaning would have been further resticted, among the Medes, to ""member of the priestly tribe"" and perhaps to ""priest"" (Benveniste, 1938; Boyce, 1982). The term is probably of Median origin, given that Herodotus mentions the ""Magoi"" as one of the six tribes of the Medes. For a variety of reasons we can consider the Magi to have been members of a priestly tribe of Median origin in western Iran. Among the Persians, they were responsible for liturgical functions, as well as for maintaining their knowledge of the holy and the occult. Most likely, the supremacy of the Median priesthood in western Iran became established during the time of the Median monarchy that dominated the Persians from the end of the eighth century through the first half of the sixth century BCE until the revolt of Cyrus the Great (550 BCE). The Persians were indebted to the Medes for their political and civil institutions as well. Even if hypotheses have been advanced concerning the existence of Magi of Persian origin in the Achaemenid period (Boyce, 1982), we must still maintain that they were of Median origin. This is demonstrated by the eposide of the revolt of Gaumata the Magian, mentioned by Darius I (522-486 BCE) in the inscription at Bisutun (Iran), as well as by Greek sources. Indeed, Herodotus insists on the idea of the usurpatory power of the Medes against the Persians through the conspiracy of the Magi. The fact that the Magi may have been members of a tribe that handed down the sacerdotal arts in a hereditary fashion naturally did not exclude the possibility that some of them undertook secular prefessions. This seems to be attested by the Elamite tablets at Persepolis. There is a theses, put forth by Giuseppe Messina, that denies that the Magi are members of an ethnic group by suggesting that they are simply members of the priesthood - a priesthood of purely Zoroastrian origin. This thesis is untenable; on the other hand, the hypothesis that their name is related to the Avestan term magavan, derived from the Gathic maga (Vedic, magha, ""gift""), is not without foundation (Mole, 1963). The meaning of maga can probably be found, in conformity with the Pahlavi tradition, within the context of the concept of purity, or separation of the ""mixture"" of the two opposed principles of spirit and matter. The maga, which has been erroneously interpreted as ""chorus,"" from the root mangh, which is said to mean ""sing the magic song"" (Nyberg, 1966) and has been rendered simply by an expression like unio mystica, seems to be an ecstatic condition that opens the mind to spiritual vision. In any case, though there may be a relation between the Old Persian term magu and the Avestan terms magavan and maga, we must maintain a clear distinction between the Magi and the Avestan priesthood. The Avesta ignores the Median or Old Persian term, despite a recent hypothesis proposed by H.W. Bailey; Old Persian inscriptions ignore the Avestan term for ""priest,"" athravan (Vedic, athravan), even if this is perhaps present in an Achaeminid setting in the Elamite tablets of Persepolis (Gershevitch, 1964). The term magu has been present in Zoroastrianism throughout its history; the Pahlavi terms mogh-mard and mobad represent its continuation. The latter in particular derives from an older form, magupati (""head of the Magi""). During the Sasanid period (third to seventh centuries CE), which saw the formation of a hierarchically organized church, the title mobadan mobad (""the high priest of high priests"") came to be used to designate the summit of the ecclesiastical hierarchy. The Magi practiced consanguineous marriage, or khvaetvadatha (Av.; Pahl., khwedodah). They also performed a characteristic funeral rite: the exposure of the corpse to animals and vultures to remove the flesh and thereby cleanse it. The corpse was not supposed to decompose, lest it be contaminated by the demons of putrefaction. This practice later became typical of the entire Zoroastrian community and led to the rise of a complex funeral ritual in Iran and among the Parsis in India. Stone towers, known as dakhmas, were built especially for this rite. During the time of Herodotus the practice of exposure of the corpse was in vogue only among the Magi; the Persians generally sprinkled the corpse with wax, then buried it. The practice was widespread, however, among the peoples of Central Asia. The Magi were the technicians of and experts on worship: it was impossible to offer sacrifices without the presence of a Magus. During the performance of a ritual sacrifice, the Magus sang of the theogony (the Magi were possibly the custodians of a tradition of sacred poetry, but we know nothing about the relationship of this tradition to the various parts of the Avesta) and was called upon to interpret dreams and to divine the future. The Magi were also known for the practice of killing harmful, or ""Ahrimanical,"" animals (khrafstra) such as snakes and ants. They dressed in the Median style, wearing pants, tunics, and coats with sleeves. They wore a characteristic head covering of felt (Gr. tiara) with strips on the sides that could be used to cover the nose and mouth during rituals to avoid contaminating consecrated objects with their breath (Boyce, 1982). The color of these caps, in conformity with a tradition that is probably of Indo-European origin, according to Georges Dumezil, was that of the priesthood: white. In all likelihood, during the Achaemenid period the Magi were not in possession of a well-defined body of doctrine, and it is probable that they gradually adopted Zoroastrianism; they were most likely a clergy consisting of professional priests who were not tied to a rigid orthodoxy but were naturally inclined to eclecticism and syncretism. Nonetheless, they must have been jealous guardians of the patrimony of Zorastrian traditions. By virtue of this they were the educators of the royal princes. The wisest of them was responsible for teaching the prince the ""magic of Zarathushtra, son of Horomazes"" and thus the ""cult of the gods."" Magi who excelled in other virtues were entrusted with the education of the prince so that he would learn to be just, courageous, and master of himself. During the Achaemenid period the Magi maintained a position of great influence, although they were certainly subordinate to the emperor. Despite several dramatic events such as the massacre they suffered after the death of Gaumata the Magian - in which, according to Herodotus (who calls himself Smerdis), the Persians killed a large number of Magi to avenge the usurpation - the Magi nevertheless managed to maintain their influence at court in Media, in Persia, and in the various regions of the empire where they were stationed as a consequence of the Persian civilian and military administration. No priesthood of antiquity was more famous than that of the Magi. They were renowned as followers of Zarathushtra (Zoroaster); as the teachers of some of the greatest Greek thinkers (Pythagoras, Democritus, Plato); as the wise men who arrived, guided by a star, at the manger of the newborn savior in Bethlehem; and as the propagators of a cult of the sun in India. But they were also known as the Chaldeans, the priesthood of Babylon, known for its occultism; this was perhaps the reason that the term magos had a pejorative sense in Greek, like ""goes,"" ""expert in the magic arts"" (Bidez and Cumont, 1938). Indeed, the Chaldeans were experts in all types of magical arts, especially astrology, and had a reputation for wisdom as well as knowledge. To understand the reasons for such various and sometimes discordant views, it is necessary to distinguish between the Magi of Iran proper and the so-called western Magi, who were later hellenized. In the Achaemenid period both must have been at least in part Zoroastrian, but the western Magi (those of the Iranian diaspora in Asia Minor, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Armenia), who came in contact with diverse religious traditions, must have, sooner or later and in varying degrees, been influenced by syncretic concepts. The Greeks were familiar with both kinds of Magi and, depending on their varying concerns, would emphasize one or the other aspect of them. Classical historians and geographers, including Herodotus and Strabo, document their customs, while the philosophers dwell above all on their doctrines: dualism, belief in the hereafter, Magian cosmology and cosmogony, and their theology and eschatology. Those sources most interested in the doctrines of the Magi even speak of Zarathushtra as a Magus. In doing so they are repeating what the Magi themselves said from the Median and Achaemenid periods, when they adopted Zoroastrianism. At that time they embraced Zarathushtra as one of their own and placed themselves under his venerable name. Zoroastrianism had already undergone several profound transformations in the eastern community by the time of the Acheamenids and was already adapting those elements of the archaic religion that refused to die. It has been said quite often, in an attempt to characterize the precise role of the Magi in the Zoroastrian tradition, that the Vendidad (from vi-daevo-data, ""the law-abjuring daivas""), part of the Avesta, should be attributed to them. (This collection of texts from various periods is primarily concerned with purificatory rules and practices.) Nonetheless, the hypothesis is hardly plausible, since the first chapter of the Vendidad - a list of sixteen lands created by Ahura Mazda, the supreme god of Zoroastrianism, but contaminated by an attack by Ahriman (Pahl.; Gathic-Avestan, Angra Mainyu), the other supreme god and the ultimate source of all evil and suffering - does not mention western Iran, Persia, or Media (the land of Ragha mentioned in the text cannot be Median Raghiana). Furthermore, it has been noted (Gershevitch, 1964) that if the authors had been Magi the absence of any reference to western Iranian institutions, including their own priesthood, would be very strange. The Magi were above all the means by which the Zoroastrian tradition and the corpus of the Avesta have been transmitted to us, from the second half of the first millennium BCE on. This has been their principal merit. We can attribute directly to the Magi the new formulation that Iranian dualism assumed, known to us especially from Greek sources and, in part, from the Pahlavi literature of the ninth and tenth centuries CE. According to this formulation, the two poles of the dualism are no longer, as in the Gathas, Spenta Mainyu (""beneficent spirit"") and Angra Mainyu (""hostile spirit"") but Ahura Mazda himself and Angra Mainyu (Gershevitch, 1964). [See Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu.] This trans- formation was of immense consequence for the historical development of Zoro- astrianism and was most likely determined by the contact of the Magi with the Mesopotamian religious world. In this new dualism - which was that later known to the Greeks (Aristotle, Eudemus of Rhodes, Theopompus, and others) - we can see the affirmation of a new current of thought within Zoroastrianism, to which we give the name Zurvanism. [See Zurvanism.] Thanks to their adherence to Zoroastrianism, the Magi played an enormously important role in the transmission of Zarathushtra's treachings, as well as in the definition of the new forms that these would assume historically. Their natural propensity to eclecticism and syncretism also helped the diffusion of Zoroastrian ideas in the communities of the Iranian diaspora. The Greeks began to study their doctrines and to take an interest in them (Xanthus of Lydia, Hermodorus, Aristotle, Theopompus, Hermippus, Dinon), even writing treatises on the Persian religion, of which only the titles and a few fragments have survived. In the Hellenistic period, the Magi were seen as a secular school of wisdom, and writings on magic, astrology, and alchemy were lent the authority of such prestigious names as Zarathushtra, Ostanes, and Hystaspes, forming an abundant apocryphal literature. (Bidez and Cumont, 1938). Later still, eschatology and apocalyptics were a fertile meeting ground for Iranian and Judeo-Christian religions, as can be seen in the famous _Oracles of Hystaspes_, a work whose Iranian roots are undeniable and which most likely dates from the beginning of the Christian era, probably the second century CE (Widengren, 1968). The Zoroastrian doctrine of the Savior of the Future (Saoshyant) was the basis for the story of the coming of the Magi to Bethlehem in the _Gospel of Matthew_ (2:1-12). [See Saoshyant.] The Sasanid period saw the Magi once again play a determining role in the religious history of Iran. Concerned to win back the western Magi (de Menasce, 1956), and eager to consolidate Zoroastrianism as the national religion of Iran, the priests of Iranian sanctuaries in Media and Persia were able to establish a true state church, strongly hierarchical and endowed with an orthodoxy based on the formation of a canon of scriptures. The leading figures in the development of a state religion and of Zoroastrian orthodoxy were Tosar and Kerder, the persecutors of Mani in the third century. SAOSHYANT: The Avestan term saoshyant (""future benefactor""; MPers., soshans) designates the savior of the world, who will arrive at a future time to redeem humankind. The concept of the future savior is one of the fundamental notions of Zoro- astrianism, together with that of dualism; it appears as early as in the Gathas. Zarathushtra (Zoroaster), as the prophet of the religion, is himself a Sao- shyant, one who performs his works for the Frashokereti, the end of the present state of the world, when existence will be ""rehabilitated"" and ""made splendid."" [See Frashokereti] Later Zoroastrian doctrine developed this notion into a true eschatological myth and expanded the number of Saoshyants from one to three. All the saviors are born from the seed of Zarathushtra, which is preserved through the ages in Lake Kansaoya (identified with present-day Lake Helmand, in Seistan, Iran), protected by 99,999 fravashis, or guardian spirits. The greatest of the awaited Saoshyants, the victorious Astvatereta (""he who embodies truth""), the son of the Vispataurvairi (""she who conquers all""), is the third, who will make existence splendid; he appears in Yashts 19. Upon his arrival humankind will no longer be subject to old age, death, or corruption, and will be granted unlimited power. At that time the dead will be resurrected, and the living will be immortal and indestructable. Brandishing the weapon with which he kills the powerful enemies of the world of truth (that is, the world of the spirit, and of asha), Astvatereta will look upon the whole of corporeal existence and render it imperishable. He and his comrades will engage in a great battle with the forces of evil, which will be destroyed. The name Astvatereta is clearly the result of theological speculation (Kellens, 1974), as are those of his two brothers, Ukhshyatereta, ""he who makes truth grow,"" and Ukhshyatnemah, ""he who makes reverence grow""; the names of the three virgins (Yashts 13) who are impregnated with the seed of Zarathushtra when they bathe in Lake Kansaoya and give birth to the Saoshyants, are equally speculative. Each of these Saoshyants will arrive at the beginning of a millennium, initiating a new age and a new cycle of existence; Astvatereta will appear in the third and final millennium to save mankind. The doctrine of the future savior had already taken shape in the Archaemenid period (sixth to fourth century BCE). It was not, perhaps the principal element in the formation of the messianic idea, but it was certainly a determining factor, one that enjoyed great success in the Hellenistic period beyond the confines of the Iranian world. A similar concept, that of the future Buddha, Maitreya, was most likely indebted to it, and Christian messianism can trace its roots to the same source. " 6216,10,"From: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong) Subject: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE! Keywords: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE! Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 66 This will be my last post ( promotion ) of the hockey pool.. I will update the pool ( or try to ) every wednesday Subject: Please join my hockey playoff pool. Deadline for pool: Midnight Saturday Rules: Read on Cost: NONE PRIZES: NONE Send replies to : Montana@pinetree.org Note: if your entries is send by midnight saturday it will be accepted please include your name Rules to the ACME hockey playoff pool Critierias Pick 9 forwards ( as long as they are forwards LW=RW=C is okay) Pick 6 defensemen ( arrange them in a lines, 3 forwards and two defense = 1 line ( and arranged them in line order , which of your players would ( play in the first line and which plays in the second line Pick 1 designated playmaker ( can be any positions...try a defensemen ) Pick 1 designated scorer ( can be any positions ) Pick 1 goal-tender Pick a team ( the one you think may win the cup ) *note: players can only be chosen once ! ie Cannot have Sakic as forward and again as designated passer ----------------------------------------------------------------- Calculation of points: ( except for designated scorer and playmaker) 1 assist = 1 pt IXI 1 goal = 1 pt II ( for players in line 1, their pt totals will be *2 ) line 1 = pts * 2 line 2 = pts * 1.5 line 3 = pts * 1 1 win = 2 pt ( for goalies) The team that wins the Cup = 10 pts For the designated playmaker Designated Calculation will be as follows Scorer:Goal = 3 pts Every goal scored = 0.5 points Assists = 0.5 pts Every assists = 2 points In the event of a tie, the tie will be broken by unmodified Goal totals and then by game winning goals ----SAMPLE------------------------------------- eg designated scorer = Jeremy Roenick Actual: G=12, A=10, Pts=22 Modified G=(12*3) + A=(10*0.5) = 41 . designated playmaker = Steve Smith Actual: G=1, A=11, Pts=12 Modified G=(1*0.5) + A=(11*2) = 22.5 . line 1 = J Murphy(24)- G Courtnall(14)- M Messier(14) Dave Manson(12)- Iafrate(7) Total points = 142 points for that line! -- Internet: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong) UUCP: pinetree!montana Gordon's Pinetree -- Ottawa, ON, Canada -- +1 613 526 0702 -- v.32bis/v.42bis " 6217,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > >>>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >>>as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. >>So, why ""must"" they have such laws? > >The quotation marks should enclose ""laws,"" not ""must."" > >If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, >etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society >into chaos. The ""System"" refered to a ""moral system"". You havn't shown any reason that chimps ""must"" have a moral system. Except if you would like to redefine everything. --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. " 6218,7,"From: srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 24 In jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes: >>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex, >>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the >>list except for braking. >I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate; >of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki >Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the >Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly >negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated >goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at >the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda >play, but not the best Saturn. Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about. All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others will do it way below sticker. Srihari " 6219,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: Sunview -> X Organization: The Internet Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu # #No doubt this is an old question, but I didn't find the answer in the #FAQs I could find, so - here goes: # #I have a Sunview application that I want to convert to X (OpenLook, #Motiv, whatever). I remember hearing quite some time ago that there #are tools to accomplish this task. # # a) is that so? # b) are they public domain? # c) any good, i.e. # d) advantages over reimplementing the interface myself? # The simple answer is for you to obtain use XView to do this. XView is a one to one replacement for Sunview. It should already be provided with you Sun running OpenWindows. It is also free available as part of the contrib side of the MIT X11R5 release. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 6220,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 170 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | On the way the driver says, ""In fact there aren't any | | Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, | | and stabbed them."" | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF VANYA BAGRATOVICH BAZIAN Born 1940 Foreman Baku Spetsmontazh Administration (UMSMR-1) Resident at Building 36/7, Apartment 9 Block 14 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] During the first days of the events, the 27th and the 28th [of February], I was away on a business trip. On the 10th I had got my crew, done the paper- work, and left for the Zhdanov District. That's in Azerbaijan, near the Nagorno Karabagh region. After the 14th, rumors started to the effect that in Karabagh, specifically in Stepanakert, an uprising had taken place. They said ""uprising"" in Azerbaijani, but I don't think it was really an uprising, just a demonstration. After that the unrest started. Several Armenians living in the Zhdanov District were injured. How were they injured? They were beaten, even women; it was said that they were at the demonstrations, but they live here, and went from here to Karabagh to demonstrate. After that I felt uneasy. There were some conversations about Armenians among the local population: the Armenians had done this, the Armenians had done that. Right there at the site. I was attacked a couple of times by kids. Well true, the guys from my crew wouldn't let them come at me with cables and knives. After that I felt really bad. I didn't know where to go. I up and called home. And my children tell me, ""There's unrest everywhere, be careful."" Well I had a project going on. I told the Second Secretary of the District Party Committee what had been going on and said I wanted to take my crew off the site. They wouldn't allow it, they said, ""Nothing's going to happen to you, we've entrusted the matter to the police, we've warned everyone in the district, nothing will happen to you."" Well, in fact they did especially detail us a policeman to look after me, he knows all the local people and would protect me if something happened. This man didn't leave me alone for five minutes: he was at work the whole time and afterward he spent the night with us, too. I sense some disquiet and call home; my wife also tells me, ""The situation is very tense, be careful."" We finished the job at the site, and I left for Sumgait first thing on the morning of the 29th. When we left the guys warned me, they told me that I shouldn't tell anyone on the way that I was an Armenian. I took someone else's business travel documents, in the name of Zardali, and hid my own. I hid it and my passport in my socks. We set out for Baku. Our guys were on the bus, they sat behind, and I sat up front. In Baku they had come to me and said that they had to collect all of our travel documents just in case. As it turns out they knew what was happening in Sumgait. I arrive at the bus station and there they tell me that the city of Sumgait is closed, there is no way to get there. That the city is closed off and the buses aren't running. Buses normally leave Baku for Sumgait almost every two minutes. And suddenly--no buses. Well, we tried to get there via private drivers. One man, an Azerbaijani, said, ""Let's go find some other way to get there."" They found a light transport vehicle and arranged for the driver to take us to Sumgait. He took us there. But the others had said, ""I wouldn't go if you gave me a thousand rubles."" ""Why?"" ""Because they're burning the city and killing the Armenians. There isn't an Armenian left."" Well I got hold of myself so I could still stand up. So we squared it away, the four of us got in the car, and we set off for Sumgait. On the way the driver says, ""In fact there aren't any Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, and stabbed them."" Well I was silent. The whole way--20-odd miles--I was silent. The driver asks me, ""How old are you, old man?"" He wants to know: if I'm being that quiet, not saying anything, maybe it means I'm an Armenian. ""How old are you?"" he asks me. I say, ""I'm 47."" ""I'm 47 too, but I call you 'old man'."" I say, ""It depends on God, each person's life in this world is different."" I look much older than my years, that's why he called me old man. Well after that he was silent, too. We're approaching the city, I look and see tanks all around, and a cordon. Before we get to the Kavkaz store the driver starts to wave his hand. Well, he was waving his hand, we all start waving our hands. I'm sitting there with them, I start waving my hand, too. I realized that this was a sign that meant there were no Armenians with us. I look at the city--there is a crowd of people walking down the middle of the street, you know, and there's no traffic. Well probably I was scared. They stopped our car. People were standing on the sidewalks. They have armature shafts, and stones . . . And they stopped us . . . Along the way the driver tells us how they know who's an Armenian and who's not. The Armenians usually . . . For example, I'm an Armenian, but I speak their language very well. Well Armenians usually pronounce the Azeri word for ""nut,"" or ""little nut,"" as ""pundukh,"" but ""fundukh"" is actually correct. The pronunciations are different. Anyone who says ""pundukh,"" even if they're not Armenian, they immediately take out and start to slash. Another one says, ""There was a car there, with five people inside it,"" he says. ""They started hitting the side of it with an axe and lit it on fire. And they didn't let the people out,"" he says, ""they wouldn't let them get out of the car."" I only saw the car, but the driver says that he saw everything. Well he often drives from Baku to Sumgait and back . . . When they stop us we all get out of the car. I look and there's a short guy, his eyes are gleaming, he has an armature shaft in one hand and a stone in the other and asks the guys what nationality they are one by one. ""We're Azerbaijani,' they tell him, 'no Armenians here."" He did come up to me when we were pulling our things out and says, ""Maybe you're an Armenian, old man?"" But in Azerbaijani I say, ""You should be ashamed of yourself!"" And . . . he left. Turned and left. That was all that happened. What was I to do? I had to . . . the city was on fire, but I had to steal my children out of my own home. They stopped us at the entrance to Mir Street, that's where the Kavkaz store and three large, 12-story buildings are. That's the beginning of down-town. I saw that burned automobile there, completely burned, only metal remained. I couldn't figure out if it was a Zhiguli or a Zaporozhets. Later I was told it was a Zhiguli. And the people in there were completely incinerated. Nothing remained of them, not even any traces. That driver had told me about it, and I saw the car myself. The car was there. The skeleton, a metallic carcass. About 30 to 40 yards from the Kavkaz store. I see a military transport, an armored personnel carrier. The hatches are closed. And people are throwing armature shafts and pieces of iron at it, the crowd is. And I hear shots, not automatic fire, it's true, but pistol shots. Several shots. There were Azerbaijanis crowded around that personnel carrier. Someone in the crowd was shooting. Apparently they either wanted to kill the soldiers or get a machine gun or something. At that point there was only one armored personnel carrier. And all the tanks were outside the city, cordoning off Sumgait. I walked on. I see two Azerbaijanis going home from the plant. I can tell by their gait that they're not bandits, they're just people, walking home. I joined them so in case something happened, in case someone came up to us and asked questions, either of us would be in a position to answer, you see. But I avoided the large groups because I'm a local and might be quickly recognized. I tried to keep at a distance, and walked where there were fewer people. Well so I walked into Microdistrict 2, which is across from our block. I can't get into our block, but I walked where there were fewer people, so as to get around. Well there I see a tall guy and 25 to 30 people are walking behind him. And he's shouting into a megaphone: ""Comrades, the Armenian- Azerbaijani war has begun!"" The police have megaphones like that. So they're talking and walking around the second microdistrict. I see that they're coming my way, and turn off behind a building. I noticed that they walked around the outside buildings, and inside the microdistricts there were about 5 or 6 people standing on every corner, and at the middles of the buildings, and at the edges. What they were doing I can't say, because I couldn't get up close to them, I was afraid. But the most important thing was to get away from there, to get home, and at least find out if my children were alive or not . . . April 20, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 158-160 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 6221,3,"From: robie@umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie) Subject: IBM PC Convertible Parts 4-Sale Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: robie I have some used, but working, parts available for the original IBM laptop - the PC Convertible. If you have one of these things, and still are using it, you may have found out that IBM wants OUTRAGEOUS prices for parts. I built up a supply of enough parts to keep mine going for a few years, and will be willing to part with the rest. Basically, I have all the standard parts EXCEPT: Motherboard Battery Power Supply I've got a few of the accessories, too - just ask. These are in very limited supply, however. I've basically just cannibalized a couple of old machines. If you are interested, please e-mail me. Note: For those who want to convince themselves that they are somehow superior because they have newer and better machines, or who want to inform me that these are ""worthless junk,"" save your effort. I'll just delete the note. Those of us who bought these machines when they first came out still find them useful for word processing, etc.. I'm saving mine as a future antique. " 6222,17,"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 132 In article <2BCF287A.25524@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: | |> >In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu |> (Brad Hernlem) writes: |> >|> |> >|> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu |> (Tim Clock) writes: |> >|> |> >|> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, |> >|> Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with |> >|> attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the |> >|> other respects innocent lives? |> |> > Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are |> > using civilians for cover, |> |> ""Assuming""? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in |> this (or any) discussion, it doesn't help to bring up elements I never |> addressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is |> ""right"" or who is ""wrong"", only that civilians ARE being used as cover |> and that, having been placed ""in between"" the Israelis and the guerillas, |> they *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight. Pardon me Tim, but I do not see how it can be possible for the IDF to fail to detect the presence of those responsible for planting the bomb which killed the three IDF troops and then later know the exact number and whereabouts of all of them. Several villages were shelled. How could the IDF possibly have known that there were guerrillas in each of the targetted villages? You see, it was an arbitrary act of ""retaliation"". |> > If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why |> > is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why |> > not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there |> > is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... |> > ""GETTING BACK""...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the |> > villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli |> > government for the lives of civilians. |> |> I agree with you here. I have always thought that Israel's bombing |> sortees and bombing policy is stupid, thoughtless, inhumane AND |> ineffective. BUT, there is no reason that Israel should passive wait |> until attackers chose to act; there is every reason to believe that |> ""taking the fight *to* the enemy"" will do more to stop attacks. |> |> As I said previously, Israel spent several decades ""sitting passively"" |> on its side of a border and only acting to stop these attacks *after* |> the attackers had entered Israeli territory. It didn't work very well. |> The ""host"" Arab state did little/nothing to try and stop these attacks |> from its side of the border with Israel so the number of attacks |> were considerably higher, as was their physical and psychological impact |> on the civilians caught in their path. The problem, Tim, is that the original reason for the invasion was Palestinian attacks on Israel, NOT Lebanese attacks. |> > |> >|> What?So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states |> >|> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will |> >|> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the |> >|> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their |> >|> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way |> >|> Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of |> >|> tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". |> >|> |> > If Israel is not willing to accept the ""word"" of others then, IMHO, it has |> > no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. |> |> This is just another ""selectively applied"" statement. |> |> The reason for this drawn-out impasse between Ababs/Palestinians and Israelis |> is that NEITHER side is willing to accept the Word of the other. By your |> criteria *everyone* should stay away from the negotiations. |> |> That is precisely why the Palestinians (in their recent PISGA proposal for |> the ""interim"" period after negotiations and leading up to full autonomy) are |> demanding conditions that essentially define ""autonomy"" already. They DO |> NOT trust that Israel will ""follow through"" the entire process and allow |> Palestinians to reach full autonomy. |> |> Do you understand and accept this viewpoint by the Palestinians? |> If you do, then why should Israel's view of Arabs/Palestinians |> be any different? Why should they trust the Arab/Palestinians' words? |> Since they don't, they are VERY reluctant to give up ""tangible assets |> (land, control of areas) in exchange for ""words"". For this reason, |> they are also concerned about the sorts of ""guarantees"" they will have |> that the Arabs WILL follow through on their part of any agreement reached. First, I believe that my statement applies to both sides. Having said that, I think it is neccessary to separate what is legitimately negotiable and what is not. For example, no country has the right to abuse one's human rights. Deciding whether there will be one or two states in Palestine is a legitimate question. While de facto one state exists, Israel must treat all within its domain equitably. |> > Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been |> > disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does |> > not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up |> > Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. |> |> While the ""major armaments"" (those allowing people to wage ""civil wars"") |> have been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still |> remain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and ""commando"" |> raids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard |> for human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue. Yes, I am afraid that what you say is true but that still does not justify occupying your neighbor's land. Israel must resolve its disputes with the native Palestinians if it wants peace from such attacks. |> > Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon |> > and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't |> > make the Lebanese so mad as to do that. |> |> Bat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks |> were commonplace. Not true. Lebanese were not attacking Israel in the 1970s. With a strong Lebanese government (free from Syrian and Israeli interference) I believe that the border could be adequately patrolled. The Palestinian heavy weapons have been siezed in past years and I do not see as significant a threat as once existed. Please, Tim, don't fall into the trap of treating Lebanese and Palestinians as all part of the same group. There are too many who think all Arabs or all Muslims are the same. Too many times I have seen people support the bombing of Palestinian camps in ""retaliation"" for an IDF death at the hands of the Lebanese Resistance or the shelling of Lebanese villages in ""retaliation"" for a Palestinian attack. |> Tim " 6223,15,"From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) Subject: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 25 Hi everyone, I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?' Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith. But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible. Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. In Christ, Will -- ============================================ | Dallas Cowboys - World Champions 1992-93 | ============================================ " 6224,7,"From: jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu (John Denune) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 40 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: pandora.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Mark Monninger (markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com) wrote: : While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently : when I bought a new truck. : I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we : agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax : and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck. : When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could : get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he : started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had : miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed : another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was : their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then A similar thing happend to me a year ago. I bought a used Ford Bronco (which has since been stolen... :( ) and few weeks after I paid and took delivery, they sent a letter telling me they goofed and miscalculated the license renewal by $300 and that I need to send in a check to ""avoid further delay"" in the processing of my registration. The thing is, I had already received the pink slip from the DMV, so I ignored it. I received another letter and then the phone calls started coming. First from the finance guy and then from the general manager, both hounding me for the extra money. They left me alone once I told them I already had the paperwork and pointed out the clause in the contract that stated that the final price was just that: FINAL. Afterall, they wouldn't budge if I had told them I wanted another $300 off after the deal had been signed, right? I told them not to call again and that I would not do business with them in the future. They didn't seem to have a problem with that. This, after all, was a used Ford at a Toyota dealership. I had a much better experience buying a new Pathfinder about a month ago. It certainly pays to buy a car on the last Sunday of the month. It was even raining too, so they had done very little business that weekend and were really willing to deal. I kept telling them I would think about it, and they kept dropping the price. Got a very good deal and so far have been very please with the service. ---John jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu " 6225,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Wed, April 14, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 147 Boston 2 2 0--4 Ottawa 0 1 1--2 First period 1, Boston, Roberts 5 (Juneau) 7:19. 2, Boston, Wiemer 1(Juneau, Oates) 17:47. Second period 3, Boston, Neely 11 (Juneau, Murphy) 6:10. 4, Boston, Hughes 5 (Richer, Kimble) 7:55. 5, Ottawa, Archibald 9 (Rumble, Lamb) 11:37. Third period 6, Ottawa, Boschman 9 (Kudelski) 5:10. Boston: 4 Power play: 2-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Hughes 1 0 1 Juneau 0 3 3 Kimble 0 1 1 Murphy 0 1 1 Neely 1 0 1 Oates 0 1 1 Richer 0 1 1 Roberts 1 0 1 Wiemer 1 0 1 Ottawa: 2 Power play: 4-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Archibald 1 0 1 Boschman 1 0 1 Kudelski 0 1 1 Lamb 0 1 1 Rumble 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Washington 0 0 2--2 NY Rangers 0 0 0--0 First period No scoring. Second period No scoring. Third period 1, Washington, Bondra 36 (Pivonka, Cavallini) 6:54. 2, Washington, Bondra 37 (Cote, Pivonka) 10:10. Washington: 2 Power play: 2-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bondra 2 0 2 Cavallini 0 1 1 Cote 0 1 1 Pivonka 0 2 2 NY Rangers: 0 Power play: 1-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- NY Islanders 2 1 1 0--4 Hartford 2 1 1 1--5 First period 1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 13 (Malakhov, King) 1:29. 2, NY Islanders, Hogue 32 (Thomas, Turgeon) 1:57. 3, Hartford, Yake 21(Poulin) 4:15. 4, Hartford, Yake 22 (Nylander, Poulin) 16:44. Second period 5, Hartford, Verbeek 39 (Cassels, Weinrich) pp, 2:43. 6, NY Islanders, Thomas 35 (King, Ferraro) 7:58. Third period 7, Hartford, Burt 5 (Sanderson, Cassels) 13:41. 8, NY Islanders, Malakhov 14 (Hogue) 17:45. Overtime 9, Hartford, Janssens 12 (Poulin) 1:08. Hartford: 5 Power play: 3-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Burt 1 0 1 Cassels 0 2 2 Janssens 1 0 1 Nylander 0 1 1 Poulin 0 3 3 Sanderson 0 1 1 Verbeek 1 0 1 Weinrich 0 1 1 Yake 2 0 2 NY Islanders: 4 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ferraro 1 1 2 Hogue 1 1 2 King 0 2 2 Malakhov 1 1 2 Thomas 1 1 2 Turgeon 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Pittsburgh 2 3 1 0--6 New Jersey 2 4 0 0--6 First period 1, Pittsburgh, Daniels 5 (Needham, Tippett) 4:14. 2, New Jersey, Lemieux 29 (Semak, Driver) 10:19. 3, Pittsburgh, Stevens 55(Tocchet, Murphy) pp, 12:40. 4, New Jersey, Zelepukin 22 (Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26. Second period 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 68 (Stevens, Tocchet) 1:42. 6, New Jersey, Semak 36 (Lemieux, Zelepukin) 2:27. 7, Pittsburgh, McEachern 28 (Jagr, Barrasso) 4:24. 8, New Jersey, Stevens 12 (Guerin, Pellerin) 5:45. 9, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 69 (unassisted) sh, 12:40. 10, New Jersey, Richer 37 (Nicholls) 15:53. 11, New Jersey, Lemieux 30 (Semak, Zelepukin) 17:40. Third period 12, Pittsburgh, Mullen 33 (Jagr, Lemieux) 18:54. Overtime No scoring. Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 5-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barrasso 0 1 1 Daniels 1 0 1 Jagr 0 2 2 Lemieux 2 1 3 McEachern 1 0 1 Mullen 1 0 1 Murphy 0 1 1 Needham 0 1 1 Stevens 1 1 2 Tippett 0 1 1 Tocchet 0 2 2 New Jersey: 6 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Driver 0 2 2 Guerin 0 1 1 Lemieux 2 1 3 Nicholls 0 1 1 Niedermayer 0 1 1 Pellerin 0 1 1 Richer 1 0 1 Semak 1 2 3 Stevens 1 0 1 Zelepukin 1 2 3 ----------------------------------------- " 6226,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NH Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr17.170255.23800@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: > >Jutila was a failure, I think, while Makela (and Ari Haanpaa) had an >on-again/off-again career with the Islanders. Both players had to play in the >minors. Of course I ""like"" our players, I just don't think the names >you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even ""Rexi"" in his prime was more >of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right, >although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf. > Ruotsaleinen was a more than competent NHL'er...his choice of where to play when did not bear on his hockey playing ability. He was crucial to the Oilers Stanley Cup victory in 1990, the one without Gretzky, because he made an Oiler power play which was lethargic that year until he arrived slide into overdrive. The Oilers missed him more the following year than Kurri, and I think the Oilers would have make the finals if Ruotsaleinen has stayed around the following season, and would have beaten Pittsburgh with Ruotsaleinen and a healthy Messier...and delayed Pittsburgh's dynasty by a season. Gerald " 6227,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: A moment of silence for the perpetrators of the Turkish Genocide? Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 115 In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes: > April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world >are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members Celebrating in joy the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people by your criminal grandparents between 1914 and 1920? Did you think that you could cover up the genocide perpetrated by your fascist grandparents against my grandparents in 1914? You've never heard of 'April 23rd'? ""In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats in this alien land."" (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - ""Preserving the Armenian purity"") During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland. The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many others. J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, Princeton University. Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute, University of Pennsylvania. Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, University of Illinois. Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political Science, City University Graduate School, New York. John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, University of Chicago. John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of California at Berkeley. Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. .......so the list goes on and on and on..... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6228,4,"From: dtc@mlinknet.UUCP (Dennis Cheung) Subject: PSI Comstation 5 Organization: the ModemLink Network, Long Island, New York Lines: 15 Anyone have any expierience with PSI's comstation 5? Please contact me if you had (or have a suggesiton for a Really Good 14.4 modem with 14.4 fax for the macintosh). --- Via UCI v1.35 (C-Net Amiga) Dennis T. Cheung The DTC(tm) Corporation of America America Online: DTC Internet: DTC%MLinkNet@HotCity.Com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: You never read this message & this message doesn't exist. " 6229,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Christians above the Law? was Clarification of personal position Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 24 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >... other good stuff deleted ... >You can worship every day of the week. The issue is not whether >Christians are at fault for going to church on Sunday or for not going to >church on Saturday. Attending a church service does not mean you have >recognized the holiness of that day (my apologies to Paul Hudson). The >question is ""On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?"" Please ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >note that the commandment does not command you to go to church, only to >keep it holy unto the Lord by refraining from doing on it what only serves >to give you pleasure and satisfaction. When are we going to hear a Christian answer to this question? In paraphrase: On what or whose authority do Christians proclaim that they are above the Law and above the Prophets (7 major and 12 minor) and not accountable to the Ten Commandments of which Jesus clearly spoke His opinion in Matthew 5:14-19? What is the source of this pseudo-doctrine? Who is the pseudo-teacher? Who is the Great Deceiver? " 6230,15,"From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: Need a book Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering Lines: 37 In article bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) writes: > >I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea >scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance. > >Please reply by e-mail at Ok boys & girls, hang on; here we go! Christ's Eternal Gospel Robinson & Robinson The Dead Sea Scrolls & the NT WS LaSor James the Just in Habakkuk Pesher RH Eisenman Maccabees ... Quamran RH Eisenman Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered Eisenman & Wise Dead Sea Scrolls Deception Baigent & Leigh Jesus & Riddle of Dead Sea Scrolls B Thiering Jesus Scroll D Joyce Happy Reading & welcome aboard A poor Wayfaring Stranger [some say, a Strange One] in a strange land, +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Disclaimer: Not my employer's opinion; probably | | not your's either; and | | only mine, when authorized! | | | | Try: Roger_Holfeltz@stortek.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Note that this list covers quite a variety of views. As such it's probably a good one. But if you want to read just one book, beware that a couple of the books on that list represent views that are, shall we say, unusual. --clh] " 6231,8,"From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) Article-I.D.: crdnns.C52M30.5yI Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: azores.crd.ge.com In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes: |>In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> |>asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: |> |>% By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550, |> |>Why was the ""Zephyr"" discontinued? I heard something about a problem with |>the name, but I never did hear anything certain... Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade. I rented one once. That car would ruin the name ""Zephyr"" for any other use. Rod --- Roderick Sprattling | No job too great, no time too small sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com | With feet to fire and back to wall. " 6232,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Too fast Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 66 In article <1qqv7k$e5g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: >In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says: >>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: >>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says: >>> >>>> That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the >>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, >>>>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, >>>>drums rear. >>> >>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. >>>of course, the sales man was a fool...""titanium wheels""..yeah, right.. >>>then later told me they were ""magnesium""..more believable, but still >>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... >>> >>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to ""standard"" >>>for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like >>>11"" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have >>>braking regulations). >> >>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable >>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11"" vented front, 10"" (?) rear), 3-point ^^^^ Rears also vented >>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for >>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6, >>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with >>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet >>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating). >> >>Is that ""up to standard""? If not, why not? > >james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts! Then you shouldn't've done it. Try answering the damn question. I am well aware of the fact that there was no mention of the SC in there. >never was a t'bird mentioned. The discussion was about SHO's and >'stangs not being up to spec. I do not know about t'birds. I >only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded >a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff. This does not >kn any way disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it >a bad car. It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra >bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large >enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not) >and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it. Well, my point was that the SC and the SHO both have very similar characteristics (front and rear disks (ABS on the SHO?), high output V6, 4-wheel independent suspension, very good aerodynamics, 3-point harness, fat rubber, and 130mph+ top speed). If one of them is up to standard (and I think the SC is), but the other isn't, then why is that? No flamage, just curiousity. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 6233,1,"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry Organization: Private System Lines: 11 Read Issue #2 of Wired Magazine. It has a long article on the ""hype"" of 3DO. I've noticed that every article talks with the designers and how ""great"" it is, but never show any pictures of the output (or at least pictures that one can understand) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 6234,7,"From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner) Subject: Re: another Taurus SHO question Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: m2-225-2.mit.edu In article <1993Apr14.064702.26925@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes: >The Taurus SHO (for those who can get it straight, it is S-H-O as in Super >High Output, not SHO as in show) has a Yamaha 3.0L DOHC (24 valves) SHO V-6. Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus ""Show"" or just ""the Show"". As in long ""o"" sound. I still refer to it as the ""S-H-O"", however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners prefer using the Ford lingo. Tim Gardner " 6235,3,From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) Subject: Re: How is a Loopback connector made? Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca wrote: : I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial : port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the : serial port. : : Thanks for any help. : : : Steve : Me Too!!!!!!! skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au 6236,14,"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Distribution: sci Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca Lines: 5 If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next one should be called 'Smiley'. James Nicoll " 6237,9,"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Tue, Apr 6th, 1993 Keywords: mlb, 04.06 Article-I.D.: agate.1ps77v$5dr Distribution: world Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 6th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Atlanta Braves 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Cincinnati Reds 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 San Diego Padres 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 San Francisco Giants 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Colorado Rockies 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 Houston Astros 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Los Angeles Dodgers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 NATIONAL EAST Florida Marlins 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 New York Mets 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 Philadelphia Phillies 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Pittsburgh Pirates 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 St. Louis Cardinals 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Chicago Cubs 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Montreal Expos 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Oakland Athletics 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 Texas Rangers 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 California Angels 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Chicago White Sox 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Minnesota Twins 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Seattle Mariners 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Kansas City Royals 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 New York Yankees 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Milwaukee Brewers 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Toronto Blue Jays 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Baltimore Orioles 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Cleveland Indians 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Detroit Tigers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 YESTERDAY'S SCORES NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE Montreal 1 New York 9 Cincinnati 2 Cleveland 1 Atlanta 1 Texas 7 Chicago 0 Baltimore 4 Los Angeles 3 Boston 3 Florida 6 Kansas City 1 Philadelphia 3 Detroit 4 Houston 1 Oakland 9 Colorado 0 California IDLE New York 3 Chicago IDLE Pittsburgh IDLE Milwaukee IDLE St. Louis IDLE Minnesota IDLE San Diego IDLE Seattle IDLE San FranciscoIDLE Toronto IDLE -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6238,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Helium non-renewable?? (was: Too many MRIs?) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >-*---- >How does the helium get consumed? I would have thought that failure >to contain it perfectly would result in its evaporation .. back into >the atmosphere. Sounds like a cycle to me. Obviously, it takes >energy to run the cycle, but I seriously doubt that helium consumption >is a resource issue. > It's not a cycle. Free helium will escape from the atmosphere due to its high velocity. It won't be practical to recover it. It has to be mined. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6239,17,"From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 16 In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes: >In jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? > >That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks. > >Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who >greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily >rounds? I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" (aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud of confusion. " 6240,19,"From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 18 In article visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: > Please get an explaination of exactly what this ""non-toxic"" tear >gas was and what the delivery system was. I refuse to believe any >explaination provided by the FBI/ATF without lots of facts. > > I do not believe that there is such a thing as ""non-toxic"" tear >gas. > You are correct. See today's (4/21) Washington Post. The gas the FBI used is most certainly fatal in high concentrations. Of course, non-toxic tear gas is an oxymoron; the whole point of tear gas is that it is toxic, and its toxic effects cause people to seek fresh air. -- Legalize Freedom " 6241,18,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 27 In article atboyken@iastate.edu (Aaron T Boyken) writes: > >If the VAT will be done in the same way that state and local sales >taxes are done, nothing will be on the sticker. The cleark ringing >up your purchase (gum, gas, car, etc.) will hit a button to add >another 5% on top of the state and local sales taxes (and that won't >include any of the VAT from previous levels of sales). > There is no need to include the VAT from previous levels because the VAT is a ""difference"" tax...if the VAT is X%, than the amount of tax the government receives through all the levels is X% of the purchase price of the end consumer. At the intervening levels, only the difference between the VAT paid out and the VAT received is remitted to the government. >Here's a question: what if, instead of a true VAT, the federal >government imposed a sales tax of say 2-3%? The tax would only >be paid on retail sales (thus not building up at all levels of >production costs that are just passed on to consumers anyway), >and would only go to reducing the deficit. (I know that this >would never happen, but it seems a lot more palettable than >a VAT). A VAT is infinitely preferable to a retail sails tax... Gerald " 6242,3,"From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring) Subject: COMPAQ and standard SIMM RAM (HELP) Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 19 Hello, Can anyone out there tell me if it is possible to put ordinary standard SIMM RAM chips (70 ns) in a COMPAQ PROLINEA 4/50 or do COMPAQ require special COMPAQ RAM chips. Please (also) email me. Thanks in advance. Jesper -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jesper honig spring, spring@diku.dk | IF ANIMALS BELIEVED IN GOD university of copenhagen, denmark | THE DEVIL WOULD BE A MAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6243,4,Distribution: world From: Kris_Kauper@fourd.com Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Subject: Re: A StyleWriter II question Lines: 13 >I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the >SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each >time I want to print something??? No. The printer port on the Mac is also serial. It has the same interface as the ImageWriter II. -Kris ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** 6244,3,"From: tiger@netcom.com (TIGER ZHAO) Subject: Re: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Organization: Tiger's Garage Lines: 23 yuri@atmos.washington.edu writes: > I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I assume you are talking about 1meg X 9 SIMMs, or 1Meg X 9 SIPPs with speed of 70ns? I would take 10K pieces per week if you have that price. (FOB US port). I am not waiting for an offer with that price, I could only dream. tiger >I am waiting for an offer. > Yuri Yulaev > 6553, 38th ave NE > Seattle WA 98115 > (206) 524-2806,524-9547 (home) > (206) 685-3793 (work) > (206) 524-7218 (FAX) >INTERNET: yuri@atmos.washington.edu >UUCP: uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!yuri " 6245,3,"From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) Subject: Re: Non-turbo speed Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Nic Percival (x5336) (nmp@mfltd.co.uk) wrote: : : Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too. : One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz : - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its : 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button : that turns it into a skateboard. : : Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of : turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of : about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off. : : Cheers, : It should be halved that of turbo (ie 33Mhz). " 6246,14,"From: pef1@quads.uchicago.edu (it's enrico palazzo!) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they? Reply-To: pef1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 36 > = From: Graydon > If all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone > looked into possible problems with the detectors? > That is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that > could cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these > things? > Graydon That would not explain why widely separated detectors, such as on Ulysses and PVO and Ginga et al., would see a burst at the same time(*). In fact, be- fore BATSE, having this widely separated ""Interplanetary Network"" was the only sure way to locate a random burst. With only one detector, one cannot locate a burst (except to say ""It's somewhere in the field of view.""). With two detectors, one can use the time that the burst is seen in each detector to narrow the location to a thin annulus on the sky. With three detectors, one gets intersecting annuli, giving two possible locations. If one of these locations is impossible (because, say, the Earth blocked that part of the sky), voila, you have an error box. BATSE, by having 8 detectors of its own, can do its own location determination, but only to within about 3 degrees (would someone at GSFC, like David, like to comment on the current state of location determination?). Having inde- pendent sightings by other detectors helps drive down the uncertainty. You did touch on something that you didn't mean to, though. Some believe (in a reference that I have somewhere) that absorption-like features seen in a fraction of GRBs can actually be caused by the detector. It would be a mean, nasty God, though, that would have a NaI crystal act like a 10^12 Gauss neutron star...but this is getting too far afield. Peter peterf@oddjob.uchicago.edu " 6247,9,"From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) Subject: Re: RBI's (was: Notes on Jays/Indians) Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit Distribution: na Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes: >Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because >sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of >course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases, >so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would >not count then, either. >My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack >of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, >either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) But why would you want to use RBI? RBI is an attempt to measure is some combination of clutch hitting and power hitting. If you believe in clutch hitting, then look at how the guy hit with RISP. If you want to see how good of a slugger he is, then look at his slugging average. In terms of evaluating players, RBI totals are better than nothing. But why use them when so many better stats are out there? -- David Frohardt-Lane dfl@math.wayne.edu ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Go Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 6248,11,"From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Subject: Licensing..... Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 49 >This thread brings up the more general question. Can any crypto >implementation for which highly publicly scrutinized source code is not >available EVER be trusted? After IBM had invented the DES and the NBS had advertised for proposals, but before IBM had decided to respond, I argued strenuously that they should not; they should keep it proprietary. The biggest proponent of proposing was Dr. Lewis Branscomb. Dr. Branscomb was the IBM Chief Scientist and had come to IBM from NBS. Fortunately for all of us, Dr. Branscomb understood the answer to the above question much better than I. He realized how difficult it would be to gain acceptance for any cryptographic mechanism. Because of the necessary complexity, publicity would not be sufficient and neither would authority. In fact, it has taken both of those plus more than 15 years. We have also had independence. The DES was solicited by NBS, invented and proposed by IBM, and vetted by NBS. It has also been examined and vetted by experts like Adi Shamir, who are not subject to influence by any of these. Even now, there are still people posting on this list who do not trust the DES in spite of all the time, all of the analysis, and all of the public scrutiny. (Of course, it is just this point that NIST misses when it attempts to gain acceptance for a novel mechanism, developed in secret, on the basis of authority alone.) We had a long thread here about whether or not the NSA can ""break"" the DES. That is a silly question. At some cost and in some time they can ""break"" anything. The important question is at what cost and in what time. The fundamental strength of the DES and RSA are not nearly so important as what we know about their strength. As long as we understand the cost and duration for an attacker, then we can use them in a safe way. At this point, we may never replace either because of the inability of any successor to overcome this knowledge gap. DES and RSA are among the most significant inventions of the century and the most important inventions in the history of cryptography. We are damned lucky to have them. William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security 49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840 1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL " 6249,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 23 jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes: > Dear Mr. Beyer: > > It is never wise to confuse ""freedom of speech"" with ""freedom"" > of racism and violent deragatory."" > > It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial > distinction. In fact, if a speach was not offensive to some, its protection under Freedom of speach laws would be useless. It is speach that some find questionable that must be protected, be it religiously blasphemous or inherently racist. It is only through civilized discourse and not scare tactics that one can enlighten those that one perceives to be ignorant. That is the idea behind freedom of expression. What you find offensive might be perceived as truth by some and what they might find offensive might be your belief. It is only through free exchange of ideas (and insults as the case seems to be with this channel) that one can change another's erring ways.That is why Jefferson said that here we are not afraid to ""tolerate error so long as reason is left to combat it"". " 6250,15,"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 99 In article jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes: > >[Descriptions of true and false obedience] > >Obedience is not solely a matter of compliance/refusal. The nature of >the commands must also be taken into account; it is not enough to >consider someone's compliance or refusal and then say whether they are >""obedient"" or ""disobedient"". You also have to take into consideration >whether the commands are good or bad. You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically stood by the Pope. It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over authority and discipline. My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX don't jointly make such choice.) If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. The Orthodox Church does not recognize papal authority/jurisdiction viewing authority as present in each bishop, and in Ecumenical Councils. We regard the subsequent development of the doctrines regarding papal authority and jurisdiction to be a separation of the Bishop of Rome from the Orthodox church. Without going into the merits of the Great Schism, at least the Orthodox agree that a split occurred, and don't paly what appear to be semantic games like ""He's the Pope, but we don't recognize that what he does is effective..."". Words aside, it appears to be a de facto split. >So where are we? Are we in another Arian heresy, complete with weak >Popes? Or are the SSPX priests modern Martin Luthers? Well, the only >way to answer that is to examine who is saying what, and what the >traditional teaching of the Church is. We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. >Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some >soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually >some Pope *will* straighten all this out. I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, one way or the other. >Schism is a superset of disobedience (refusal to obey a legitimate >command). All schismatics are disobedient. But it's a superset, so >it doesn't work the other way around: not all disobeyers are >schismatics. The mere fact that the SSPX priests don't comply with >the Holy Father's desires doesn't make them schismatics. It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. > But my problem with this is >this: according to the traditional theology of Holy Orders, episcopal >consecration does not confer jurisdiction. It only confers the power >of Order: the ability to confect the Sacraments. True enough. > Jurisdiction must be >conferred by someone else with the power to confer it (such as the >Pope). The Society bishops, knowing the traditional theology quite >well, take great pains to avoid any pretence of jurisdiction over >anyone. They simply confer those Sacraments that require a bishop. One could argue that they are establishing a non-geographic jurisdiction. I don't know if that's even a concept or problem in Catholic circles. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com " 6251,14,"From: ven@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Van E. Neie) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Purdue University Physics Department Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr22.180630.18313@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson) writes: >jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: > > >>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >>to compute sunrise and sunset times. > >Would you mind posting the responses you get? >I am also interested, and there may be others. > >Thanks, > >N. Shirlene Pearson >pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu There is an excellent software program called Astro.calc that does that and much more. The latest address I have is MMI Corporation PO Box 19907 Baltimore, MD 21211 Phone (301) 366-1222 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Van E. Neie ven@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu Purdue University neie@purccvm.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6252,14,"From: enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) Subject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Coventry University Lines: 31 In article <93089.204431GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja writes: >I am a bit nervous about posting this beacause it is begining to >stray fron the topic of space but then again that doesn't seem to >stop alot of other people. :-) > >With all of this talk about breathing at high pressures, I began >to think about the movie Abyss. If you remember, in that movie one >of the characters dove to great depths by wearing a suit that used >a fluid that carries oxegen as opposed to some sort of gas. Now I >have heard that mice can breath this fluid but for some reason, humans >are unable to. Does anyone know more details about this? > >Gregson Vaux > I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas and liquid comparision of course! Acurist " 6253,13,"From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) Subject: Re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 36 hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) writes: >Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than >sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces >when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to >for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate >substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde >produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to >living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. >Phenylalanine is >nothing for you to worry about. It is an amino acid, and everyone uses small >quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body. Some people have a disease >known as phenylketoneurea, and they are missing the enzyme necessary to >degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body. For them, it will >accumulate in the body, and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve >cells. Therefore, it is Only a major problem in young children (until around >age 10 or so) or women who are pregnant and have this disorder. It used to >be a leading cause of brain damage in infants, but now it can be easily >detected at birth, and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine >as a child, or when pregnant. >-heather If I remember rightly PKU syndrome in infants is about 1/1200 ? They lack two genes. And people who lack one gene are supposed to be 1/56 persons? Those with PKU have to avoid naturally occuring phenylalanine. And those who only have one gene and underproduce whatever it is they are supposed to be producing are supposed to be less tolerant of aspartame. The methol, formaldahyde thing was supposed to occur with heating? I don't drink it. I figure sugar was made for a reason. To quickly and easily satiate hungry people. If you don't need the calories it's just as easy to drink water. Used to drink a six pack a aday of aspartame soda. Don't even drink one coke a day when sugared. " 6254,7,"From: ernie@.cray.com (Ernest Smith) Subject: Re Aftermarket A/C units Originator: ernie@ferris Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Distribution: usa >In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes: >|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si. >|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on >|> top of that. This is a hunk of change. >|> >|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation >|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit). >|> >|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a >|> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but >|> any references would be handy. >|> >|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) > Les Bartel's comments: >>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to >make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp >(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with >it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have >an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't >trust the quality and performance after this experience. >> > - les > >-- >Les Bartel I'm going to live forever Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same result. Don't know if this is just a problem with Ford or what?? Ernie Smith " 6255,19,"Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian M From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com> Distribution: world Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com's message of 15 Apr 93 23:50:26 GMTLines: 67 Lines: 67 In <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com writes: > In article <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > |> > |> Good question, my point was that a world with truth is better than a world > |> with falsehood. A world in which it were possible to say ""yes, I am > |> holding a Jew"" (the truth) and you, me, the Jew, and the SS guy all sit > |> down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives > |> you present. Obviously, this is not possible, and the best alternative seems > |> to be to lie. That's because other values are involved, such as life. > |> Now that IS just my opinion - don't confuse the claim 'objective morality > |> exists' with the claim 'I have a lock on morals'. > > I think that at this point it would actually be quite easy to > confuse objective morality with relative morality. > > jon. Actually, jon, that is quite true. Christian people have caused ""objective morality"" to look very ""relative."" After all, that was the point of the original question in this thread, i.e. can we toss out Christianity because it is so obviously inconsistent with its own principles? If you will bear with me, I will attempt to explain this apparent inconsistency from at least one Christian's viewpoint: If God exists and is the creator of mankind as the Bible claims, then He has a pretty well-defined concept of what makes people tick physically, emotionally, etc. GOD has an ""objective"" morality for us. That is to say, He has no trouble understanding what is good for (or detrimental to) the creature He created. Galatians 2:10-- For we [mankind] are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works [a morality], which God prepared beforehand [a well-defined design], that we might walk in them. However, contrary to what many people assume (including the Pharasees of the Bible,) God's morality cannot be completely codified in a list of rules and regulations. To some extent, every activity of a person's life creates a new situation to which morality must be applied. There never could be enough volumes to codify God's ""objective"" morality for us. Throughout history, mankind has tried to reduce morality to a list of rules (objectivity, if you please.) In the Old Testament, we have both principles and specific rules. By the time of Jesus, most of the principles were obscured by the emphasis men had placed on the rules. Volumes of additional rules had been made to try to codify the application of the principles. We [mankind] weren't comfortable with the ""subjectivity"" of principles. For reference see Matthew 5 where Jesus explains the difference between the Law and the principles of the Law. For example, in verses 21-22: ""You have heard that the ancients were told, 'You shall not commit murder'...and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the court..."" The ""objective morality"" of God gets blurred by our inept interpretation of it. We [Christians] have made our biggest errors when we have allowed any one person or group of people decide EXACTLY what God intended for us. If we [Christians] would stay committed to seeking God's will instead of trying to prove we already had it all figured out, we might do a better job of allowing others to find God's ""objective morality"" for themselves. If Jesus is who he said he was/is (and that's the fundamental question,) then HE IS ""objective morality."" John Nunnally " 6256,2,"From: davidr@davidr.mentorg.com (David Ransier) Subject: DOS6-W4WG Problem??? Nntp-Posting-Host: davidr.mentorg.com Organization: mentor Keywords: Lines: 20 I am running Windows 3.1, Windows for Work Groups and just loaded Dos 6. What`s happening appears as a graphics problem with File Manager. I've added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region that covers the top 2/3'rds of the button row. These buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus. the pulldown menus look fine, and the disk label region looks fine, but you only see the bottom few pixels of the task buttons. Anyone else experience this? Thanks. +++++++++++++ David Ransier davidr@pdx.mentorg.com These comments are my own. I paid for Office: (503) 685-1528 them. I own them. They're not my Fax: (503) 685-7704 employers, and you can't have them. +++++++++++++ " 6257,1,"From: kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Kai Howells) Subject: Re: HOT NEW 3D Software Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia) Lines: 20 In article <1qflpk$re1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael B. Comet) wrote: > > > In a previous article, trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell) says: > > >There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called > >IMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its > > > Well....I don't know about its competing with 3D studio, but > it's pretty powerful allright. Yes but a key issue is _SPEED_ how fast is Imagine? And is it as easy to use as 3D Studio? Can it just do a render as fast as 3DS if you don't want things like IOR etc.. 3DS can do fine shadows, animated reflection maps, animated bump maps, animated anything maps, and with the IPAS routines (Not that I've ever seen them) It can do explosions, top quality morphing, fire, rain, lens flares etc.. I'm not knocking imagine, I just want to know how it compares with 3DS " 6258,19,"From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Nntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com Organization: Medtronic, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 43 David Joslin (joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu) wrote: : af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: : >Based on the amount of E-Mail from fellow Christians who have read the : >posts and told me I was wasting my time with Butler and Joslin, I told : >them I wasn't doing it for DB or DJ but for other Christians. They : >have told me that DB's and DJ's arguments won't convince most Bible : >studying Christians. So I have reevaluated my purpose here and it's : >also contributed to my decision. : So most Bible-studying Christians won't be convinced by my arguments? : And this is supposed to be a Good Thing, I presume? Where does this ""Most Bible studying Christians think as Frank does"" come from. And what implied ""good"" are you doing for other Christians? At least some of what you are teaching has been demonstrated as wrong. Has it ever occured to you that you may be doing more harm than good to your fellow Christians? BTW, I used to think like Frank does. I went to a fundamentalist church for a while. I didn't start to really think about what they were saying until I noticed a ""God's Science"" phamphlet there. I read it and noticed that the authors of it knew virtually nothing about Science. I asked church members some questions about ""theories"" from the phamphlet and got only deceptive answers. I began to notice a very similar style of ""answers"" for theological questions as well. The only conclusion I could reach was that these peoples' beliefs about the Bible were about as valid as their beliefs in their God's Science phamphlet. : If there are still people out there who think that my purpose here : is to ""attack the Bible,"" (an accusation Frank once made) I would point : out that I have also criticized people who have posted ""bible : contradictions"" that turn out to be silly, out of context, or easily : (and legitimately) reconciled. I'm not attacking the Bible, but : intellectual dishonesty *about* the Bible, from either side. If one of the primary purposes of Christians is to seek out truth, how can people condemn you for doing this? -- Dale Skiba " 6259,7,"From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost) Subject: Honda New Car Info Organization: Skidmore, somewhere down from reality Lines: 38 From Kay Honda's ""Helpful HInts ABout Your Honda"" infromation sheet (given to new owners of Honda vehicles). ""A burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking delivery."" --I now own a fire extinguisher;>-- ""On Prelude S mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the accelerator pedal to the floor one time, release slowly, and with your foot off the accelerator, crank the engine until it starts. Moe than 5 seconds [!!!!!!! my note] of cranking may be required. In temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be depressed 2-3 times."" ""Door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled by getting caught when closing doors."" ""When shifting accord automatic transmissions from Park Neutral, or Reverse into Drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear."" ""In case of towing: 1- Start the engine 2- Shift into drive from Park, then from Drive to neutral 3- Turn off engine"" --what if you are getting towed b/c engine won't run?-- ""IF ENGINE DOES NOT RUN DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE!"" --Phew, I was worried!-- Insert smilies where appropriate, though this is REAL. Jonathan jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu Skidmore College, Saratoga NY 93 Civic Si + aftermarket fogs (if you own one, you understand!) " 6260,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian slaughter of defenseless Muslim children and pregnant women. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. BM] It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do The winding down of winter puts you in a heavy 'Arromdian' mood? I'll see if I can get our dear ""Mehmetcik"" to write you a letter giving you and your criminal handlers at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle some military pointers, like how to shoot armed adult males instead of small Muslim children and pregnant women. Source: 'The Times,' 3 March 1992 MASSACRE UNCOVERED.... By ANATOL LIEVEN, More than sixty bodies, including those of women and children, have been spotted on hillsides in Nagorno-Karabakh, confirming claims that Armenian troops massacred Azeri refugees. Hundreds are missing. Scattered amid the withered grass and bushes along a small valley and across the hillside beyond are the bodies of last Wednesday's massacre by Armenian forces of Azerbaijani refugees. From that hill can be seen both the Armenian-controlled town of Askeran and the outskirts of the Azerbaijani military headquarters of Agdam. Those who died very nearly made it to the safety of their own lines. We landed at this spot by helicopter yesterday afternoon as the last troops of the Commonwealth of Independent states began pulling out. They left unhindered by the warring factions as General Boris Gromov, who oversaw the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, flew to Stepanakert to ease their departure. A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijaines to collect their dead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All the same, two attack helicopters circled continuously the nearby Armenian positions. In all, 31 bodies could be counted at the scene. At least another 31 have been taken into Agdam over the past five days. These figures do not include civilians reported killed when the Armenians stormed the Azerbaijani town of Khodjaly on Tuesday night. The figures also do not include other as yet undiscovered bodies Zahid Jabarov, a survivor of the massacre, said he saw up to 200 people shot down at the point we visited, and refugees who came by different routes have also told of being shot at repeatedly and of leaving a trail of bodies along their path. Around the bodies we saw were scattered possessions, clothing and personnel documents. The bodies themselves have been preserved by the bitter cold which killed others as they hid in the hills and forest after the massacre. All are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clothing of workers. Of the 31 we saw, only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small children. TWO GROUPS, APPARENTLY FAMILIES, HAD FALLEN TOGETHER, THE CHILDREN CRADLED IN THE WOMEN'S ARMS. SEVERAL OF THEM, INCLUDING ONE SMALL GIRL, HAD TERRIBLE HEAD INJURIES: ONLY HER FACE WAS LEFT. SURVIVORS HAVE TOLD HOW THEY SAW ARMENIANS SHOOTING THEM POINT BLANK AS THEY LAY ON THE GROUND. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6261,14,"From: rick@trystro.uucp (Richard Nickle) Subject: Re: How to read sci.space without netnews Organization: The Trystro System (617) 625-7155 v.32/v.42bis Lines: 27 In article mwm+@cs.cmu.edu (Mark Maimone) writes: >In article <734975852.F00001@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >>If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space, >>but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet >>feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. > > Kudos to Mark for his generous offer, but there already exists a >large (email-based) forwarding system for sci.space posts: Space Digest. >It mirrors sci.space exactly, and provides simple two-way communication. > I think Mark was talking about making it available to people who didn't have email in the first place. If anybody in the Boston area wants a sci.space feed by honest-to-gosh UUCP (no weird offline malreaders), let me know. I'll also hand out logins to anyone who wants one, especially the Boston Chapter of NSS (which I keep forgetting to re-attend). >Questions, comments to space-request@isu.isunet.edu >-- >Mark Maimone phone: +1 (412) 268 - 7698 >Carnegie Mellon Computer Science email: mwm@cmu.edu -- richard nickle rick@trystro.uucp 617-625-7155 v.32/v.42bis think!trystro!rick somerville massachusetts " 6262,7,"From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan) Subject: $ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 17 My friend brought a subaru SVX recently. I had drove it for couples times and I think its a great car, esp on snow. However when she took it to a local Subaru dealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars. The dealer told us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour. At first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto but found out the they are charging roughly the same price. So is there any SVX owner out there that has the same problem ? And if the oil change story is true, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car looks great. SWD Wan. " 6263,17,"From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 60 tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) writes: >In article , ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos >Tamamidis ) writes: > >> >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met >> >so many Greeks who wouldn't even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my >> >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks) >> >> Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help. >Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks >who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to >believe for somebody trying to be objective. Well, if you put things into historical perspective, the Turks moved into an area, which was inhabited by Greeks. This is how the history between the two nations started some centuries ago. Since then, it has been a continuous battle between the two nations. From my perspective I can't see why I should say that Greeks have been responsible for what has happened between the two nations. Of course, it would not be reasonable to argue that the hostility should drag till we kick the Turks out of this area. This isn't going to happen, so the best would be to improve the relations between the two countries. A golden oportunity exists with Cyprus. If things can't work there, there isn't any possible way that could work between our nations. >When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot >blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. >What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? >Do you think it was your right to be there? I always avoid to discuss such things. I consider it a waist of my time. Besides, as I said, I do not want to open a new flame. >I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only >not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. >It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. >I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the >visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it >was a positive attempt to make the relations better. I thought it was a smart move to receive more money from Greek tourists. I bet that this week there should be about 200,000 tourists from Greece in Turkey. Each one will leave at least $1,000 so go and figure what this means to your economy. If you had kept the visa requirement, how many Greeks would bother to visit Turkey? >The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated >people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person >because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is >not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals >why the hatred? Come on. Do not extrapolate from your limited personal experience. You err if you think you'd get a reasonable conclusion. >Tankut Atan >tankut@iastate.edu Panos Tamamidis " 6264,13,"From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5 Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:37:39 GMT Subject: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5 From: Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com Date: 13 Apr 93 18:30:42 GMT In article <2241@coyote.UUCP> Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com writes: >After two weeks of limping around with an acute pain in my low back >and right leg, my osteopath sent me to get an MRI which revealed >a protruding (and extruded) disc at L4-L5. I went to a neurosurgeon >who prescribed prednisole (a steroidal anti-inflamitory) and bed rest >for several days. It's been nearly a week and overall I feel >slightly worse - I take darvocet three times a day so I can >deal with daily activities like preparing food and help me >get to sleep. > >I'll see the neurosurgeon tomorrow and of course I'll be asking >whether or not this rest is helpful or if surgery is the next >step. What are my non-surgical options if my goal is to resume >full activity, including competitive cycling. I should add this >condition is, in my opinion, the result of commulative wear and >tear - I've had chronic low-back pain for years - but I managed You don't say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain. If you have numbness, weakness or bladder problems, for example, these would suggest a need for surgery. If pain is your only symptom you might do well to find a reputable, multi-disciplinary pain clinic in your area. Chronic low back pain generally doesn't do well with surgery, acute on chronic pain (as only symptom) doesn't fare much better. e correlation between MRI findings and symptoms is controversial. Don Mackie - his opinions UM will disavow... " 6265,6,"From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui) Subject: IN CASE A DEAL IS A LEMON .... Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 22 Hi to all. Since all of you could also be a seller as well as a buyer, I'd like to bring this issue for discussion - what would be the best solution in case a deal became a lemon? As I understand most people selling things over the net do not grant a warranty,I am in such a situation that the seller did not state whether a warranty would be granted or not and the item I received is out of order. The seller insisted that it was 'in good condition' when he sent it and so would just return half ofthe amount that I paid if I send the item back to him and after he is sured it is bad. Is this reasonable? Basically I would like to believe the seller tells the truth. Also, I am positively to say that I've not done anything wrong which might cause the failure of the thing. My assumption here is everyone is honest - so rule out the possibility that either one of the two parties or both are liars. I would like to hear your opinion - either in here or directly respond to my e-mail address. I know there is such a risk that you could lose money. But, how can we make it enjoyable to most people and not wasting the bandwidth? chein " 6266,7,"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston Lines: 16 In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: > >If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and >taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite >will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd >get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're >taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob >me and/or do other physically harmful things. Here in Houston last year a woman heard the sound of someone in her garage, so she went to investigate with a gun in her hand. She found a guy in the process of stealing her bicycle. She quite reasonably asked him to stop. He refused, began taunting her, and as the woman was quoted in the police report, ""He told me to go ahead and shoot him, so I did."" The moron survived, and no charges were filed against the woman. " 6267,12,"From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada Lines: 24 jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: > >Hmmm. How are those orange ""isolated ground"" outlets (often used in >computer rooms) wired? They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal faceplate, if any). The box/faceplate ground goes to the normal distribution panel ground. The outlet ground-pin wire is generally connected to an insulated busbar in the distribution panel which is, in turn, connected to the building-entrance main ground by its own wire. So the two separate ground systems are connected together at the building's service entrance. But one is also connected to every grounded piece of electrical equipment in the whole building, while the isolated ground is shared only by the equipment plugged into isolated-ground outlets of that panel. If someone happens to accidentally short one phase of a 600V feeder to ground, the main building ground is likely to have a lot of noise on it until the breaker trips or the fuse blows, while the isolated ground will remain relatively noise-free. " 6268,10,From: ddlin@athena.mit.edu (David D Lin) Subject: Daigle/Kariya Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 2 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: e51-007-12.mit.edu I hear Daigle will eb the first pick next year. What is the word on Kariya??? Anybody ever seen him play on TV???? Is he also entering the draft??? 6269,0,"Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) From: J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson) <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU><1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com responds to a lot of grief given to him >In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, >galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) a.k.a. ""The Sagemaster"" [ . . .] >But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in >answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases, >and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require >babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original >question) -- I say no, it is not. Most of Scotty's followup *was* irrelevant to the original question, but this is not unusual, as threads often quickly evolve away from the original topic. What I could not understand is why Jim spent so much time responding to what he regarded as irrelevancies. [ . . . ] >> May I ask, where is this 'collective' bullcrap coming from? [ . . . ] > >By ""collective"" I was referring to the idea that God works with >humanity on two levels, individually and collectively. If mankind >as a whole decides to undertake a certain action (the majority of >mankind), Well, I guess hypothetical Adam was ""the majority of mankind"" seeing how he was the ONLY man at the time. >then God will allow the consequences of that action to >affect mankind as a whole. If you didn't understand that, then I >apologize for not using one and two syllable words in my discussion. I understand what you mean by ""collective,"" but I think it is an insane perversion of justice. What sort of judge would punish the descendants for a crime committed by their ancestor? >If you want to be sure that I read your post and to provide a >response, send a copy to Jim_Brown@oz.bmd.trw.com. I can't read >a.a. every day, and some posts slip by. Thanks. Well, I must admit that you probably read a.a. more often than I read the Bible these days. But you missed a couple of good followups to your post. I'm sending you a personal copy of my followup which I hope you will respond to publically in a.a. John The Sageless " 6270,9,"From: gwieman@unl.edu (Gary Wieman) Subject: Cards sweep LA, Mets lose, Life is GOOD! Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu Keywords: Cardinals Just a few lines about my favorite team sweeping the Dodgers (one of my least favorite) in LA (Sweet!). Also the Mets (my other least favorite team) loss to the Rockies made this this a great day and a great start to the weekend as the Cardinals are on the ESPN tonight. Big Lee Smith is having a great start and the Cardinals seem to be hitting in the clutch even though they have had a few games with lots of hits and not many runs. Hopefully with the coaches stress on situational hitting in spring training, the runners LOB will be lower this year (probably due to the high strikeout numbers by Jose and Lankford and Zeile's off year). I don't know why all the fuss about the Fillies. The media and all the Filly fans on r.s.b forget who is right behind them in the standings. Give the Wild Thing a week or two before he starts blowing some games and we'll see who is in first then. I believe the Cardinal pitching staff is more complete than the Filly staff and that will make the difference. On a side note, a few years ago (5-6), a comment was made by some baseball player or manager about the Dodger defense. He was asked where to hit the ball against the Dodgers and he replied ""Fair."" I remember it being in the ""They Said It"" section of Sports Illustrated. I would like to know who said it and what issue it was in. GO REDBIRDS!! Gary Wieman " 6271,13,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 31 In article <1qi2h1INNr3o@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes: |> |> Two different Tuesdays (two weeks apart we used the same day of the |> week just for consistancies sake) we ordered food from the local |> Chinese take out - same exact food except ONE of the days we had them |> hold the MSG. I did not know which time the food was ordered without |> the MSG but one time I had the reaction and one time I did not. |> |> NOW - you can TRY to tell me that it wasn't ""scientific"" enough and |> that I have not PROVEN beyond the shadow of a doubt that I have a |> reaction to MSG - but it was proof enough for ME and I'll have you |> know that I do NOT wish to get sick from eating food thank you very |> much. |> If you could not tell which one had MSG, why restaurants bother to use it at all? If you can taste the difference, psychological reaction might play a role. The fact is, MSG is part of natural substance. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE, consumes certain amount of MSG every day through regular diet without the synthesized MSG additive. Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth. Baring MSG is just like baring sugar which many people react to. Jason Chen " 6272,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Article-I.D.: pitt.19436 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 42 In article <1993Mar29.181958.3224@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: > >I shouldn't have to be posting here. Physicians should know the Lyme >literature beyond Steere & co's denial merry-go-round. Patients >should get correctly diagnosed and treated. > Why do you think Steere is doing this? Isn't he acting in good faith? After all, as the ""discoverer"" of Lyme for all intents and purposes, the more famous Lyme gets, the more famous Steere gets. I don't see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. There is a lot of money involved. >I'm a computer engineer, not a doctor (,Jim). I was building a >computer manufacturing company when I got Lyme. I lost several >years of my life to near-total disability; partially as a result, >the company failed, taking with it over 150 jobs, my savings, >and everything I'd worked for for years. I'm one of the ""lucky"" >ones in that I found a physician through the Lyme foundation >and now can work almost full-time, although I have persistent >infection and still suffer a variety of sypmtoms. And now >I try to follow the Lyme literature. > Well, it is tragic what has happened to you, but it doesn't necessarily make you the most objective source of information about it. If your whole life is focussed around this, you may be too emotionally involved to be advising other people who may or may not have Lyme. Certainly advocacy of more research on Lyme would not be out of order, though, and people like you can be very effective there. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6273,7,"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan) Subject: Dirty Diesels? Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: na Lines: 17 I heard the diesels are considered cleaner-burning than gas engines because the emit less of: Carbon Monoxide, Hydrocarbons, and Oxides of Nitrogen. (CO, HC, NOX). But they can put out a lot of particulate matter. I heard something about legislation being discussed to ""clean up diesel emissions"". Is there anything in the works to install ""scrubbers"" for diesels? How about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars? Would it be any different than a catylitic converter? I'd assume easier, since we're removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses. Let's hear people's opinions... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Vel Natarajan nataraja@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6274,14,"From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) Subject: Russian Phobos Mission Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 6 Did the Russian spacecraft(s) on the ill-fated Phobos mission a few years ago send back any images of the Martian moon? If so, does anyone know if they're housed at an ftp site? Thanks. " 6275,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: > It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for > individuals to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. False, as federal courts have affirmed on many occasions. This is getting out of sci.crypt territory, though... Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 6276,15,"From: brownli@ohsu.edu@ohsu.edu (Liane Brown) Subject: CHRIST, MY ADVOCATE - A Poem Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 44 _MY ADVOCATE_ I sinned. And straightway, posthaste, Satan flew Before the presence of the Most High God And made a railing accusation there. He said, ""This soul, this thing of clay and sod, Has sinned. 'Tis true that he has named Thy name; But I demand his death, for Thou hast said, 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die.' Shall not Thy sentence be fulfilled? Is justice dead? Send now this wretched sinner to his doom! What other thing can righteous ruler do?"" Thus Satan did accuse me day and night; And every word he spoke, O God, was true! Then quickly One rose up from God's right hand, Before whose glory angels veiled their eyes; He spoke, ""Each jot and tittle of the law Must be fulfilled; the guilty sinner dies! But wait -- suppose his guilt were all transferred To Me and that I paid his penalty! Behold My hands, My side, My feet! One day I was made sin for him and died that he Might be presented, faultless, at Thy throne!"" And Satan flew away. Full well he knew That he could not prevail against such love, for every word my dear Lord spoke was true! by Martha Snell Nicholson +++++++++++++++++++++++ I heard this poem read last night and wanted to share it with other subscribers of this newsgroup. It's such a wonderful blessing to see how secure our salvation is because the Lord Jesus paid for what He did not owe because we had a debt which we were not capable to pay. Thanks and praise be to the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is seated at the right hand of the Majesty on High, making intercession for us. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Liane Brown (Internet) brownli@ohsu.edu " 6277,5,"From: usun@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sonnie) Subject: X bitmap -> Postscript Lines: 10 Hey folks, on the course to develope a X window application, we encountered a problem. How could I transform a X window bitmap into a postscript files ? Is there any library routines or source code I can call to do the job ? Thank you in advance. p.s. Email reply please. I seldom read this newsgroup. =) " 6278,11,"From: gregb@den.mmc.com (gregb) Subject: Looking for crypto paper Distribution: usa Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: tosgcla.den.mmc.com Looking for PostScript or Tex version of a paper called: ""PUBLIC-KEY CRYPTOGRAPHY"" Written by: James Nechvatal Security Technology Group National Computer Systems Laboratory National Institute of Standards and Technology Gaithersburg, MD 20899 December 1990 The version I obtained is plain text and all symbolic character formatting has been lost. -- gregb@tosgcla.den.mmc.com " 6279,1,"From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: rs43873.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 21 In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: |> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of |> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading |> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 |> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts |> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum |> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> Just curious. |> |> |> Daemon |> I agree with you. -------------------------------------- Raist New A1200 owner 320<->1280 in x, 200<->600 in y in 256,000+ colors from a 24-bit palette. **I LOVE IT!**<- New Low Fat .sig *don't e-mail me* -> I don't have a valid address nor can I send e-mail " 6280,15,"From: wdburns@mtu.edu (BURNS) Subject: Interfaith weddings Organization: CCLI Macintosh Lab, Michigan Tech University Lines: 39 Hello everyone. Last week I posted a similar question to alt.wedding. Now I come in search of a deeper-level answer. My fiance is Lutheran and I am Catholic. We plan on getting married in her church because she is living there now and I plan on moving there in a month or so. I called my Catholic priest to find out what I needed to do in order for the marriage to be recognized by my church. Needless to say that I have found that there is no ""hard and fast"" rule when it comes to how the Catholic law for interfaith weddings is interpreted. But I'm pretty sure that we CAN get married without too much problem; the trick lies in the letter of dispensation. But that is not why I am here.... What I'd like to know is: What are the main differences between the Lutheran and Catholic religions? My priest mumbled something about how the Eucharist was understood... I have heard that if two religions combine soon, it would be these two. Any help would be appreciated... Thanks so much! Bill -- Bill Burns [ Internet: wdburns@mtu.edu ] Mac Network System Administrator [ AppleLink: SHADOW ] Apple Student Rep, MTU First we must band together as friends, then mearcilessly crush our enemies into paste. [We've had enough Catholic/Protestant arguments recently that I'm not going to accept any renewals. I suggest responses via email, unless they are clearly non-controversial. I would be happy to see positive summaries of both important Catholic and Lutheran beliefs. Among other things, they'd be useful for the FAQ collection. But I'm not up for yet another battle. --clh] " 6281,18,"From: sents@dixie.com (Jeff Sents) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 19 paolucci@spot.Colorado.EDU (Paolucci Paul) writes: >In article ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: >>Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue >[biased and decidedly not-as-funny-as-dave stuff deleted...] >I sure hope that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is enjoying these ""lists""... [stuff deleted] >I'm no Clinton fan, but I'm no Ipser fan... Then why not simply stop reading them. This isn't intended as a flame, but your post reminds me of the old joke: Patient: ""Doctor it hurts when I do this."" Doctor: ""Then stop doing that."" Regards, Jeff " 6282,17,"From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 33 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Unconventional peace proposal > > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >---------------------------------------------------------- by > Elias Davidsson > >Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. > >1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >and the other Palestinian-Arab. ... >5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf. >Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 6283,4,"From: jbs5g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (James B. Sheire) Subject: SCSI Ethernet Converter For Sale Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Lines: 6 I have a strange piece of equipment to unload. It is a Ether+ SCSI interface. Apparently, it can be plugged into a SCSI port and from there to an ethernet. That way you save a slot. Nifty. Well, I assume you people know more about it, so, judging by the $350 price tag new, I'll ask, say, $75? Anybody interested? " 6284,10,"From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) Subject: Re: What was Ray doing? Nntp-Posting-Host: elba Organization: Progress Software Corp. Lines: 22 daveb@thewho.East.Sun.COM (Dave Brewer) writes: >In yesterday's fracus between Rob Ray and Brent Hughes, was it the camera angle or was >Ray actually punching Hughes where it appeared he was punching him? (For those that didn't >see the game - it was several inches below the belt and he punched him there quite a few >times.) Dreadful. >Also, why did Poulin get four minutes? I've been watching & playing hockey for a good long time now, and I've seen players with questionable tactics, but never have I seen what Ray did on Sunday. This guy gets my all time loser award. It's one thing to repeatedly cross check someone to the back of the neck when they are down, it's another thing to have a fist fight with someones balls. Ray should be thrown out of the league, what an a**hole. -Steve " 6285,18,"From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Summary: ""Talkin about my g-g-generation."" Lines: 41 In article , rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) rants: > The left likes to dodge the issues of morality and behavior, crying that > anyone who raises them ""blames the victim."" Nonetheless, as a recent > editorial in the {Los Angeles Times} pointed out, the free love > advocates of the 1960's have demolished the poor. It's one thing to > have children out of wedlock if you're, say, Murphy Brown (or someone > like her), turning over a six figure salary -- and quite another if > you're sixteen, have no skills, and no income. And how did the ""free love advocates of the 1960's"" manage to perform this demolition--forced breeding programs or something? > By accepting and even celebrating single, out-of-wedlock parenthood, the > 1960's radicals espousing free love set the stage for catastrophe among > the poor. They must account for this... Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about how people need to take personal responsibility for their economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals (such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor people are just too dumb to think for themselves? There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family and support systems in general among this nation's poor. Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at the top of any sane person's list. You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called ""relevant"" or ""values"" education. Hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real education first--I mean, we took that for granted. *** *** Ken Perlow ***** ***** 05 Apr 93 ****** ****** 16 Germinal An CCI ***** ***** gadfly@ihspc.att.com ** ** ** ** ...L'AUDACE! *** *** TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE! ENCORE DE L'AUDACE! " 6286,4,From: klepa@leotech.mv.com (Kristen Lepa) Subject: New Duo Dock With Process Lines: 15 Seth> I fail to see any advantage whatsoever with this kind of set-up. Seth> What a DUMB idea. So don't buy one. Kristen This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated. * Origin: Leo Technology (603)432-2517/432-0922 (HST/V32) (1:132/189) 6287,6,"From: dina@litana.obninsk.su ( ) Subject: horse breeding and saling Reply-To: dina@litana.obninsk.su Organization: Litana Ltd. Lines: 31 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Dear Sirs, ? ? ? ? The private agricultural firm ""DINA"", is breeding pedigree ? ?horses of ""sportmodel"" class, mainly trakenensky, gannoversky and ? ?thoroughbred horses. We have 17 heads of dams, getters of trakeninsky ? ?and thoroughbread breeds, colts of 1-2 years old, sport live-stock of ? ?horses of concour class (for passing the route with obstacles). The ? ?firm has a warm stable made of brick, arranged to place 60 horses. ? ? We have possibility to expand the field of activity and ? ?systematically prepare our horses of concour class for sale for hard ? ?currency. The experienced staff of the firm (internetional class ? ?master) workes for breeding and training of horses. Additional ? ?investments are necessary to purchase of larger dam live-stock, ? ?construction of the riding-house for training, extra stables. ? ? For two years our firm has been organizing hunting tourism of ? ?the territory of the national park not far from Moscow (about 100 km). ? ? We are also concerned in the development of trading connections ? ?on delivering food products, clothes, foot-wear etc. to Russia. ? ? ? ? Our address: ? ? Russia, Obninsk, ? ? pr. Marksa, 34-130. ? ? phone:(08439)3-49-42, ? ? (08439)3-42-30 ? ? fax: (095)255-22-25 ? ? Electronic Mail: ? ? dina@litana.obninsk.su ? ? ? ? Vyacheslav Chereshnev. ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? " 6288,8,"From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhvu$go8 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says: >In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >| >|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such >|a nice boy at RCR I too. > >And Noemi makes me think of ""cuddle"", not ""KotL"". > You talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore hand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And a borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don't fuck with her man, your making a big mistake. -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. " 6289,2,"From: cca20@keele.ac.uk (J. Atherton) Subject: Serial Printing Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk Summary: Output to serial printer garbles with Windows app. (e.g. Works) Keywords: Works Handshaking serial X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Hi, We've been having problems on a few setups when printing to a serial printer (dmp or Laser). I have used Works and Windows Write. The output is OK from DOS and if I send plain text output, but anything fancy garbles or just doesn't output. The exception is outputting to a Lserjet 4 which 'appears' to be fast enough receiving data, not to bother about handshaking messages. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've tried most of the Print/Network manager options I can think of. Anyone had similar problems they've cured and would like to tell me 'bout it?? Thanks John Atherton " 6290,6,"From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) Subject: Ampex 456 2"" Recording Tape For Sale Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 19 I have 5 full reels of Ampex 456 2"" recording tape. This tape was used once at 15 ips and carefully stored. All reel include an Ampex tape band. The tape has not been bulk erased to my knowledge. The history of the tape in know and available upon request. JMAR in Toronto sells new 2"" 456 for $260+tax (Canadian) I would like $100CDN/reel which will include postage. Brett Maraldo - Plexus Productions ps. The reels are 2500' long; standard thickness. -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- ""Alien Technology Today"" bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo " 6291,12,"From: jam@ameslab.gov (Jerry Musselman) Subject: UART needed Organization: Ames Laboratory, ISU Lines: 9 I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following: -250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity -ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin) -IRQ on character received I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do break detect. I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc... Any help would be appriciated!!! " 6292,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Travel outside US (Bangladesh) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <1p7ciqINN3th@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Just George) writes: >I will be traveling to Bangaldesh this summer, and am wondering >if there are any immunizations I should get before going. > You can probably get this information by calling your public health department in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free, as well). There are bulletins in medical libraries that give recommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section of the medicine department of your local medical school. You also will probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis. You will need your doctor to get the prescription. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6293,19,"From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) Subject: Keep Firm the foundations! Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. " 6294,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Automatic online encryption of data Lines: 46 From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) >Also.. how about a box that you plug your phone into, which would allow >encrypted voice communications with someone who has a similar box? >(digitizing input speech, transmitting, and decrypting on the other end). I >don't know how a public-key system could work in this regard, but it might [...] heh heh... I posted this just before reading all the Clinton Chip messages.. I guess they beat me to it.. Anyway, I think it would be a great idea to develop such a product, perhaps in the underground, as it would otherwise probably become illegal pretty quickly here... It's really very feasible and shouldn't be too expensive - all that's needed is a box with a phone jack on one side, a DSP in the middle to do codec functions of speech->compressed bytestream, and an RS232 on the other side. You'd plug your phone into it, plug the RS232 into your computer, and have a good old fashioned normal modem on your other RS232 port. The CPU in the middle would do the encryption with a version of pgp modified to work on a byte stream. With v32bis or better modems to carry the bytestream, it should work. Quality would only be marginally lower than a normal telephone. At the very highest price, you could use one of those voice-mail compatible modems to do the digitisation - that puts an upper bound of about $500 on the cost of such a box. In practice, you really ought to be able to get the price well below $100 - I could do it now in software on my cheap&nasty home RISC box (Acorn Archimedes) with the digitising microphone I bought for 25 pounds, if I knew how to write good speech compression software (which I don't). The reason it won't work of course is that hardly anyone will have one - the only consumer equipment to have encryption will use the wiretap chip. Economics, I'm afraid. However... we can get about 2Kcps throughput on the internet even with the bottleneck of a v32bis modem. When we get ISDN for all (ha ha ha) and the new NREN, it might then be trivial to run compressed speech over a tcp/ip connection on the Internet. Perhaps we should start thinking now of a standard to keep voice on the internet compatible for everyone, and side-step the clipper stuff and use internet for all our phone calls in future :-) [1/2 joking] G " 6295,8,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Karen Black (karen@angelo.amd.com) wrote: : ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: : >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: : >: English cars:- : > : >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc. : > ^^^^^^ : > Talk about Harleys using old technology, these : >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology. : Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood) : frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)). : I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features. Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements to dig holes with. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * * Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * ******************************************************************************* " 6296,11,"From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA Distribution: na Lines: 53 In <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: :It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow :houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. A very good point! :It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are :good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. Why should we expect the cops to be honest! They're underpaid for the risks they face every day. The media dumps on the all the time and blames them for all sorts of discrimination, brutality.... How can we expect them to be more than human? Besides there are lots of cases of police abuses ranging from protection scams to outright robbery (when I worked in D.C. there was a breakin at a local Radio Shack and the alarm company heard the cops responding to the call over the audio pickup in the store:-). :What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, :at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that :a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your :cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the :escrow houses. Then you would know that Big Brother had been listening. Does he really want to let you know? :Do the police normally reveal every tap they do even if no charges are :laid? In many ways, it would be a positive step if they had to. :Judges set time limits on warrants, I assume. At the end of the time :limit they should have to renew or replace your chip. :That's if we go with this scheme, which I am not sure I agree with. I'm completely against anything that makes it easier for the government to encroach on the rights of individuals. The founders of this country spent a lot of effort limiting the power of the government and specifying exactly what the governments rights were (and this didn't include a gov't spy in every bedroom). IMHO, there are entirely too many things going on today designed to preserve the government organism at the expense of individuals. Look around and reread 1984 and many early Heinlein books. Aren't there many parallels between the thought police (can you spell Waco Texas?), and Heinlein's ``Crazy Years''? Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: ...!thebes!camco!bill 6641 East Mercer Way uunet!camco!bill Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO? " 6297,7,"From: U09579@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: 1989 Honda CRX for sale Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.123925U09579 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 12 My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th e car are as follows: Five speed A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo ps/pb Rear window defroster EXCELLENT CONDITION Asking 6400.00 OBO. Please call him at (708) 257-0518. " 6298,15,"From: smayo@world.std.com (Scott A Mayo) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 33 jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) writes: >Finally: >There is no proof of the resurrection of Christ, except in our spirits >communion with his, and the Father's. It is a matter of FAITH, belief >without logical proof. Incedently one of the largest stumbling blocks for >rational western man, myself included. >I hope that this is taken in the spirit it was intended and not as a >rejection of the resurrection's occurance. I beleive, but I wanted to point >out the weakness of logical proofs. Terms are being used in a loaded way here. ""Logical proof"" is an extremely messy thing to apply to real life. If you think otherwise, try to construct a proof that yesterday happened. Obviously it did; anyone old enough to be reading this was there for it and remembers that it happened. But *proof*? A proof starts with axioms and goes somewhere. You need axioms to talk about logical proof. You can say that you remember yesterday, and that you take as axiom that anything you clearly remember happened. I could counterclaim that you hallucinated the whole thing. To talk about proofs of historical events, you have to relax the terms a bit. You can show evidences, not proofs. Evidences of the resurrected Jesus exist. Proofs do not. I think Christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is ever disproved. I also think that this will not happen, as the evidence for the resurrection is quite good as these things go. It is not entirely fair to claim that you can only take the resurrection on faith. There are reasons to believe it that appeal to the mind, too. " 6299,1,"From: yoo@engr.ucf.edu (Hoi Yoo) Subject: looking for USA map Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Lines: 11 Does anyone out there have or know of, line drawing USA map? Thanks very much in advance, Hoi yoo@engr.ucf.edu " 6300,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 47 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: > >Brian Kendig contorts . . . > >> It can not be a light which cleanses >> if it is tainted with the blood >> of an innocent man. > >. . . now showing how Brian Kendig is in the dark of the >most fundamental basic of the Old Testament. Concepts like >santification and Lev. 17:11 must be foreign to you. Too bad >you are not interested in understanding. Too bad you prefer >blurting folly even to your own shame. Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. The Old Testament was very big on the ""eye for an eye"" business. It makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to ""repay"" moral wrongdoing. I know about sanctification. I've been taught all about it in Sunday school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all that, I still can't accept it. Maybe I'm still not understanding it, or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well. From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent man is wrong. I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years to accept it, but I just can't. If this means that I can't accept the premise that a god who would allow this is 'perfectly good', then so be it. > What ignorance you can show us next? I guess I'll wait >till tomorrow. If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments before, and they just don't convince me. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 6301,17,"From: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Oded Feingold) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU WILL MISS, Apr 15 Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab. Lines: 18 Distribution: world Reply-To: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: klosters.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: arf@genesis.MCS.COM's message of 15 Apr 1993 22:51:03 -0500 Sorry, ARF - you dog, That news was suppressed because the Israeli national volleyball team repeatedly spiked it. Let this be a lesson to others not to invoke the wrath of sports nuts. (Brits lead the way in this regard, with ~220 casualties in the last 2 years.) Anyway, Yigal would never sue. His life is (presumably) so pristine that its most intimate details could be revealed without harm to anyone. Might even be good instruction for some people I can think of. Me, I _would_ sue! I hate the way sports dominates the media. Anyway, the last 3 ADL agents watching me die of boredom before filing their reports. I've damaged their Atlanta operation something fierce. " 6302,13,"From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (William Turnbow) Subject: Re: Discussions on alt.psychoactives Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 39 Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (William Turnbow) NNTP-Posting-Host: athena In article <1r4bhsINNhaf@hp-col.col.hp.com> billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen) writes: > >This group was originally a takeoff from sci.med. The reason for >the formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive >drugs....such as ... > >Oh well, obviously, no one really cares. --- Then let me ask you for a ""workable"" solution. We have a name here that implies certain things to many people. Rather than trying to educate each and every person that comes to the group -- is there some ""name"" that would imply what this group was originally intended for? My dad was a lawyer -- as such I grew up with being a stickler for ""meaning"". In my ""reality"", psychoactives *technically* could range from caffeine to datura to the drugs you mention to more standard recreational drugs. In practice I had hoped to see it limited to those that were above some psychoactive level -- like some of the drugs you mention, but also possibly including *some* recreational drugs -- but with conversation limited to their psychoactive effects -- the recent query about ""bong water"", I thought was a bit off topic -- so I just hit ""k"". But back to the original question -- what is a workable solution -- what is a workable name that would imply the topic you with to discuss? It sounds like there should be a alt.smartdrugs, or something similar -- I don't feel psychoactives would generally be used to describe alot of those drugs. There is a big difference between a drug that if taken in ""certain doses, over a period of days may have a psychoactive effect in some people"", vs. many of the drugs in PIHKAH which *are* psychoactive. wm -- :: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? :: " 6303,14,"From: roland@sics.se (Roland Karlsson) Subject: Re: Magellan Venus Maps (Thanks) In-Reply-To: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov's message of 30 Mar 1993 00:34 UT Lines: 14 Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Thanks Ron and Peter for some very nice maps. I have an advice though. You wrote that the maps were reduced to 256 colors. As far ad I understand JPEG pictures gets much better (and the compressed files smaller) if you use the original 3 color 24 bit data when converting to JPEG. Thanks again, -- Roland Karlsson SICS, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN Internet: roland@sics.se Tel: +46 8 752 15 40 Fax: +46 8 751 72 30 Telex: 812 6154 7011 SICS Ttx: 2401-812 6154 7011=SICS " 6304,11,"From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com >I mean, if we can imagine the >machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium >that could index and archive it. I think you'd have to do some massive data compression just to fit a bit of key information on each primary particle of the known universe. But, hey, it's fun to imagine. mjr. " 6305,3,"From: gabrielj@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Noah Jones) Subject: Re: umbdr522.zip : Any later version ? Keywords: umbdrv mem Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 1 " 6306,12,From: sundar@fiber-one.ai.mit.edu (Sundar Narasimhan) Subject: how much would a Tektronix 2465A oscilloscope fetch Reply-To: sundar@ai.mit.edu Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: fiber-one.ai.mit.edu Hi: I'd like to know how much the foll. equipment will fetch in the used equipment market (without manuals or other accessories): 1. Tektronix 2465 scope 2. Tektronix 2465A scope 3. Tektronix 1240 logic analyser Thanks much for your help. 6307,9,"From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kokopeli) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 35 tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 >> >>Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees. >Dunno what happened to him. Maybe I can help you. He's a major league coach with the Rockies. So above prediction is doubly wrong. My prediction: The Red Sox-Cubs Series and Vikings-Broncos SuperBore will occur at the end of the world. And one Rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this year. And no Rockie starter will have an ERA below 3.50. And the Rangers fade will not begin until...August. They'll give way to the Angels. But still challenge to the end. Really. Not making any of this up. If I am, may God strike me down *ZZZZZZT* >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for listening! >-Valentine -- Dylan Wilbanks, Environ. Con : The official USENET rabid fan of the major, U of Colorado, Boulder: Colorado Rockies. Clip this .sig for PO Box 1143, Boulder, CO : 20% off on your next Rockies woof!!! 80306-1143. Life is bigger. : (this space intenionally blank) " 6308,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 In article mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: > > >Peter, > >I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing >to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by >yourself? > >-marc >-- Hey tough guy, read the topic. That's the message. Get a brain. Go to a real school. " 6309,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Mel Hall Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes: > >Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't >with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? > > Doug Dolven Mel is alive and well and playing in Japan. (The Yanks let him go because he was asking for too much money, and because they thought that they were going to get Barry Bonds, making Hall obsolete. Oopsie! Well, at least they got O'Neill to replace the Mel-man). --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan ============================================================================ | (Scene from ""Real Genius"" where Val Kilmer is trying to pick up a | | gorgeous blonde) | | Val: So, if there's anything I can do for you, or, more | | to the point, to you, you just let me know. | | Blonde: Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board | | with your penis? | | Val: Not right now, no. | | Blonde: A girl's gotta have her standards (she walks away) | ============================================================================ " 6310,11,"From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? In-Reply-To: kadie@eff.org's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 03:26:23 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA. Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: > Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of > encryption. But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from NSA.) If anyone can verify that your phone is not using the key registered to that serial number, either: 1) They have a court ordered wiretap. But what are they going to do? Tell the judge that this individual really does have privacy? All they know is that the keys are not enough, but not why. 2) They have a court ordered wiretap on a phone in this series. (This part is really scary. Since the ""expectation"" is that all chips in a particular batch will uses seeds based on the same S1 and S2 and the serial number, getting the keys for one of a batch may give access to all.) 3) There is a backdoor which allows all messages to be deciphered without the keys. I find this one especially threatening since the scheme seems very open to known plaintext attacks. (What I need to decipher is the data in the header. If I talk to someone who has one of these phones, presumably there will be an automatically negotiated key generated. I'm not trying to decipher the record of the conversation to know what was said, I use it as a known plaintext to recover the backdoor represented by the header, but I know what the header says for conversations I participate in. Even worse, if the phones in a series have related keys, I can buy a phone/chip from the same production lot. Then I can recover its keys, either elegantly by talking to myself, or by brute force analysis of the actual chip, then apply the key generation process with those seeds to find the target keys.) Hmmm! I don't think I want to ever come close to these phones. Even DES is starting to look good. Two cans and a string will provide much better security. -- Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is... " 6311,7,"From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121) Subject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently Nntp-Posting-Host: st83.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 50 In article 2211@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes: > >In article <1993Mar20.050303.8401@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes: > >|> Q: What is Ka band radar? Where is it used? Should a radar detector be >|> able to handle it? >|> >|> A: Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US >|> in so-called photo-radar installations. In these installations, a >|> low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the >|> direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the >|> radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit. >|> Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle. Because of the low >|> power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar >|> detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit, >|> although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such >|> capability anyway. The number of locales where photo-radar is in use >|> is limited, and some question the legality of such units. Best advice: >|> learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they >|> are used (or else, don't speed.) > >Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving >violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a >rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long >as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally >or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does. >The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent. >I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would >stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist >way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety. > >- BK > We had those f*****g photo-radar things here in Sweden a while ago. There was a lot of fuzz about them, and a lot of sabotage too (a spray-can with touch-up paint can do a lot of good...). Eventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court-cases where the owner of the car could prove he didn't drive it at the time of speeding. I especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car-thief that had stolen a car and made false plates. He, ofcourse, chose a license number of a identical car, so the photo seemed correct... In conclosion: Photo-radar sucks, every way you look at it! / Markus " 6312,16,"From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) Subject: Re: Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed Legislation Article-I.D.: usenet.1psstg$bbe Reply-To: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 83 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, nigel.allen@canrem.com (""nigel allen"") says: > >Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. > > Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed >Legislation > To: State Desk > Contact: Susan Whitmore of Handgun Control Inc., 202-898-0792 > > WASHINGTON, March 25 -- Following is a statement of Sarah >Brady regarding Texas state carrying concealed legislation: > > ""A handful of lawmakers in Austin today have told the public that >their safety is of less importance than the interests of the National >Rifle Association. This action comes as local, state and federal law >enforcement officials continue their stand-off with a religious cult >that has highlighted the need for tougher gun laws, not weaker ones >like the carry concealed bill. ""A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their right to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of Handgun Control, Inc. This action comes as local, state and federal law enforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian compound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one two year old child at the hands of federal agents. This has highlighted the need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children against the excesses of their own government."" > ""Any suggestion by proponents that this bill will help to reduce >crime is a distortion of the facts, at best. This so-called >crime-fighting law has resulted in a 16 percent increase in violent >crime in the state of Florida, and I have never heard law enforcement >officials bragging that more guns on the streets is the way to reduce >crime. ""Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a distortion of the facts, at best. The aggressive outreach by officials in central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in the level of assault and rape in that area. Of course, this program is a rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an unarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter restrictions."" > ""The vote today is an insult to the law enforcement officials who >are putting their lives on the line every day to end the standoff in >Waco. The entire country now knows just how easy it is for an >individual bent on destruction to amass an arsenal of weapons. Texas >lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total >disregard for those law officials on the front lines, and the >families of those who have fallen. ""The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large who are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their lawful affairs. The entire country knows how vulnerable the average citizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our own police. Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the front lines, and the families of those who have fallen."" > ""I urge the House of Representatives to listen to the 70 percent >of Texans that oppose this measure, and reject this ill-conceived >legislation."" ""I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs of their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments from ideological fanatics."" > -30- >-- > Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario nigel.allen@canrem.com >-- >Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario >416-629-7000/629-7044 > Ain't propaganda fun? -- ****************************************************************************** The opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very carefully thought out. It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the University of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University. " 6313,1,"From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Update on location!! Directory should be: public/virtual-worlds!! ^^^^^^ Sorry! :-) Robert. robert@acsc.com " 6314,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 14 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says: >hello there >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . You're kidding, right? This is Flame bait in the extreme. V-max handling? Har har har har.... -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 6315,0,"From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Distribution: usa Organization: IBM Research Lines: 15 In article , n4hy@harder.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) writes: |> [1] HOWEVER, I hate economic terrorism and political correctness |> worse than I hate this policy. |> [2] A more effective approach is to stop donating |> to ANY organizating that directly or indirectly supports gay rights issues |> until they end the boycott on funding of scouts. Can somebody reconcile the apparent contradiction between [1] and [2]? -- Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641 IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 " 6316,4,"From: horton@what.sps.mot.com (David Horton) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.10.249.26 Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas Lines: 27 In article <1qqf6b$oc6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) writes: > >From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) >Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT > >> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, >> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines >> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open >> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a >> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away >> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not >> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple >> monitor with 256 colors is used. >> >> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has >> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. > >etc. > >Has anyone NOT had these problems in the given configurations? >(that would help eliminate design flaw as the explanation) As a data point, I'm using a Centris 610 4/80 with the Apple 16"" monitor and do NOT have these problems. DCH " 6317,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:4 " 6318,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr2.182216.28603@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: |> |> Question 2: |> |> |> |> If I am right about the doppler(if I spell it different every time, |> |> maybe one will be right) effect, how does the radar get an accurate reading |> |> when the car containing it is moving?? It would seem to me ( for all thats |> |> worth) that it would need to be calibrated with the speedometer of the car |> |> containing it?? I am fairly sure this isn't the case, so whats the deal?? |> |> Essentially, this is actually how it is done. The radar gun is tied into |> the speedometer of the car. No, it is independent of the speedometer. The gun processes two doppler returns--the speed of the car relative to the pavement and the speed of the target, taking the difference between the two. Some guns with a ""moving mode"" actually have a split beam with one beam aimed preferentially at the pavement. Car and Driver had a good article on traffic radar, but it was back in 1985. I used its contents and references to defend myself against a bogus radar-measured ticket. It detailed ""moving mode,"" which is easier to defend against because of the increased amount of variables. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 6319,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. In-Reply-To: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:16:47 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 12 In article jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) writes: This post has all the earmarks of a form program, where the user types in a nationality or ethnicity and it fills it in in certain places in the story. If this is true, I condemn it. If it's a fabrication, then the posters have horrible morals and should be despised by everyone on tpm who values truth. Jesse Agreed. Harry. " 6320,7,"From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) Subject: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger Reply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation Lines: 21 It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM. Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2 liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck). What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach, but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up at a stop light. Many thanks for any suggestions. - les -- Les Bartel I'm going to live forever Intergraph Corporation ... or die trying Electronics Division ljbartel@ingr.com or ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (205) 730-8537 " 6321,10,"From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) Subject: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 18, 1993 Nntp-Posting-Host: st-lina.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Lines: 68 Here is a summary of Don Cherry's coach's corner from April 18, 1993. It took place in the first intermission of game 1 of the Montreal-Quebec series. Pre-game comments ----------------- Don's pregame comments were mostly aimed at the goalies... The goalie who gets back his all-star form (Roy or Hextall) can win the series for his team. Eposode Summary --------------- This episode took place rinkside. Don was holding a hot dog that he bought from the concession stand. Ron Maclean started out by showing a cartoon which appeared in the Toronto Sun. It featured a picture of Don, who just saw his shadow and proclaimed ""Will you look at dat, eh? Means another 6 weeks of me. Beauty."" Next, Don talked about the hot dog he was holding. According to him, the hot dogs at the Quebec stadium are the best food in all the arenas in the NHL. From there, Don commented on the Quebec-Montreal game. The game had great flow, because Referee Paul Stewart calls the best game in the NHL. In contrast, the Calgary-LA game was terrible... All stop-and-go, over 50 minutes of penalties called against Calgary by Dan Marouelli. Its getting so that the ref who calls the most penalties gets to ref in the finals. Next, Ron showed an old picture of Don, when he was playing for the Rochester Americans of the AHL. Don recalled some of the wins that he had in the Quebec arena... during the Memorial cup and the AHL championships. Finally, Don and Ron discussed Keenan becoming coach of the Rangers. The rangers were a talented team who underachieved. Don feels sorry for temporary coach Ron Smith, who had several key injuries (to Leetch and Patrick) and goalies who went cold. Don had some criticism for the Rangers team... The party's over, Adolf (Keenan) is there. The Rangers organization will no longer be a 'country club'.... ""NY should be achamed of themselves... If they go in the tank with Adolf there, they'll be hanging from the yardarm by their thumbs."" Rating ------ Nothing too special in this episode. I'll give it a 5.5 out of 10. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ \ |Allan Sullivan (allan@cs.ualberta.ca) \ \ |Department of Computing Science, \ \_______ |University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. \ ### \ _ |--------------------------------------------------- \___###___\ (_) |My opinions are mine and mine alone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit..."" - U. of A. Golden Bears Hockey Motto (C. Drake) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 6322,6,"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: New software for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 34 These programs all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * MICROSOFT ENTERTAINMENT PACK VOLUME ONE, includes eight different Windows-based games, including Tetris, Taipei, Minesweeper, TicTactics, Golf, Cruel, Pegged, and IdleWild, list $49, sale $20. * JUST JOKING FOR WINDOWS 1.0, database of jokes from WordStar, can quickly find jokes for many different occasions, useful for business writers, speechwriters, presenters, and others, more than 2,800 jokes under 250 topics, can search by keyword and author, list $49, sale $25. * HUMOR PROCESSOR 2.02, DOS-based database of jokes, requires only 384 KB of RAM, along with thousands of categorized jokes you can quickly find also includes an online tutorial for writing your own jokes with proven comedy forumulas, list $99, sale $45. * HISTORY OF THE WORLD 1.0, multimedia CD-ROM covering cave society to the present, includes recordings of 25 famous speeches from Churchhill, Gandi, and others, list $795, sale $160. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us " 6323,15,"From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Lines: 37 > I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd >pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in >ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam >and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in >1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the >U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and >repression."" > My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even >praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that >Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as >automatically above reproach. > > mp Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY* whose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and unsuspecting masses? Imagine my surprise! I never would have thought it of him. How was this terrible deceit discovered? What exactly was the ""cultural interference"" they were caught committing? Attempting to persuade the locals that their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including human sacrifices in some cases) were vain? Destroying traditional lifestyles by introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes? Oh and by the way, who did the denouncing? I am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was really such a deceitful tool of the devil. Please provide me with specific documentation on this charge. There is some risk that I may not believe it otherwise. - Mark " 6324,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: xSoviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr17.172014.663@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes: >>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must >>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of >No! NO! no no no no no. It is not justifiable to right wrongs of >previous years. My ancestors tortured, enslaved, and killed blacks. I >do not want to take responsibility for them. I may not have any direct >relatives who did such things, but how am I to know? >There is enough CURRENT torture, enslavement and genocide to go around. >Lets correct that. Lets forget and forgive, each and every one of us has >a historical reason to kill, torture or take back things from those around >us. Pray let us not be infantile arbiters for past injustice. Are you suggesting that we should forget the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920? But most people aren't aware that in 1939 Hitler said that he would pattern his elimination of the Jews based upon what the Armenians did to Turkish people in 1914. 'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?' (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), ""The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi"", p. 213.) I refer to the Turks and Kurds as history's forgotten people. It does not serve our society well when most people are totally unaware of what happened in 1914 where a vicious society, run by fascist Armenians, decided to simply use the phoniest of pretexts as an excuse, for wiping out a peace-loving, industrious, and very intelligent and productive ethnic group. What we have is a demand from the fascist government of x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our people. And the only way we can do that is if we can catch hold of and not lose sight of the historical precedence in this very century. We cannot reverse the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people because of their religion or their race. Which means that I support the claims of the Turks and Kurds to return to their lands in x-Soviet Armenia, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6325,16,"From: barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) Subject: NRA address? Summary: address for NRA - Right to keep and bear anti-tank weapons Keywords: NRA Waco RKBA Lines: 41 Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended. People like Howard Metzenbaum seem very intent on diluting the 2nd amendment to the point where it is no effort for the governmentski to do what they did in Waco. After all, from what I know of the Federalist papers, it is this kind of tyranny the 2nd amendment was supposed to be designed to protect against. Honestly! M-60 tanks against the civilian population! Attack helicopters! We need the right to keep and bear anti-tank weapons. Actually, if they intend to mass armour against the (weakly-armed, at that) civilian population, we need the right to field tactical nukes. Government tyranny! Who would have ever thought it would happen here! I wonder who'se house they'll run tanks through next, because the gov. SUSPECTS child abuse. Maybe yours! Maybe mine! And what is an Illegal Weapon (which they have yet to show us), if the 2nd amendment is designed to do what I believe it is, and the gov. uses tanks against you? Government self-serving? Naaaah. Not here. Time was when the U.S. used armour/attack helicopters against small countries. Now, we're down to using them against to what amounts to a busload and a half of civilians. ""First they came for the Jews, but I did not stop them, because I was not a Jew: Then they came for the catholics, but I did not stop them because I was not a catholic! Then they came for the lutherans, but there was now no one left to stop them!"" Rev. Martin Niemoller. (probably didn't get it verbatim, but you get the idea). If the NRA reads this, then never mind about the address. God save us! --James S. Barker Portland State University barker@cs.pdx.edu " 6326,1,"From: zemcik@ls (Pavel Zemcik) Subject: Tseng ET4000 pixel clock Organization: Technical University of Brno, Czech Republic Keywords: ET4000 SVGA pixel clock Summary: Is there anybody who knows how to set ET4000 SVGA pixel clock? Lines: 19 I would like to program Tseng ET4000 to nonstandard 1024x768 mode by switching to standard 1024x768 mode using BIOS and than changing some timing details (0x3D4 registers 0x00-0x1F) but I don't know how to select 36 MHz pixel clock I need. The BIOS function selects 40 MHz. Is there anybody who knows where to obtain technical info about this. I am also interested in any other technical information about Tseng ET4000 and Trident 8900 and 9000 chipsets. thanks very much Pavel Zemcik Dept. of Comp. Sci. & Eng. Technical University of Brno Bozetechova 2 CS-612 66 Brno Czech Republic e-mail: zemcik@dcse.fee.vutbr.cs " 6327,5,"From: c2xjfa@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (James F Allman III) Subject: Re: GUI Study Originator: c2xjfa@koptsw18 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Distribution: na Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr23.031744.19111@mercury.unt.edu>, seth@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Seth Buffington) writes: > >Cutsie little Macintrash-like icons that are an instant recipe for > >mousitis IMHO. System 7 is undoubtedly the worst GUI I have used (out of > >that, RISCOS, MSWombles, and X11) simply because it does not provide enough > >keyboard shortcuts. Windows I must confess I quite like (cover your ears > >:-) ) because you can actually use it without having to ever touch the > >mouse. > [stuff delete] > >the user rather than making things _easier_ - and there should always be > >the option to do it your way if you want to, which is why I like the > >UNIX/X combination so much - it's so customizable. > > Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about > the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use > the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is > down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such > as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most > work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than > using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something > simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it > before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at > the moment.) > I don't think it is too much to ask that window > programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also > look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and > command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in > less time IF you are experienced. > All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on > UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than > DOS). > And at least 500% more user unfriendly as well! " 6328,19,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: Florida State University Distribution: na Lines: 23 ""David R. Sacco"" writes: > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect > to join. There are just so many. > > Dean Kaflowitz > > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So > convenient that it is burdensome at times. > > Dave. Some Christians take a 10% discount off the Ten Commandments. Sunday cannot be substituted for the Sabbath. " 6329,2,"From: cui@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Jun Cui) Subject: How to hold the control to a window object? Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. Lines: 28 // Hope I am in the right group! I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1), // trying to get some date processed in a window object. However, when invoking // the window object, the calling program gives up the control to the window // object, and keeps executing the next statement. The source code may look // like the following: class MyWindow : public TWindow { ... }; void MyCallingProg(...) // Could the calling program be a C function? { ... MyWindow *MyWinObj; MyWinObj = new MyWindow(...); GetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj); MyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL); next statement; // I want the program to wait here until MyWinObj is closed ... // so that I can get some data back from MyWinObj. ... // I specified the window style to be WS_POPUPWINDOW, didn't ... // help. Is there any other way to execute the window object ... // so that the calling program won't give up the control? } // Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --jun To talk to the Lord with PS/2 through MS-Windows " 6330,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > in Texas. Do YOU eat all your food cold? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 6331,18,"From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov (John Cobarruvias) Subject: Re: Newsweek reports Clinton approval ratings... Organization: NASA/JSC Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <8597@blue.cis.pitt.edu> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes: >When I heard the latest approval rating reported for Clinton, I >laughed so hard I forgot the exact numbers. Maybe one of the >Clintonettes can refresh my memory... > >Has his rating dropped to 48 or 49 percent? Ha HA HA HA HA! > >*snick* oh my either way, it's still the lowest rating any President >has ever mustered in his first 100 days, since these polls started being taken. Hum, I guess this has some significance as opposed to having an incredible drop during the last days in office. Unfortuantely having a loss in the polls during the last days of office usually means no re-election. Ask George. > >He was finished before he started! Good one, Roooster. Thats hard to top. > >The Rooster > > " 6332,2,"From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: Tidying up after removing an OLE server Keywords: OLE, SPSS Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 22 In article qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff) writes: >A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once >the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC. > >Unfortunately there is still a ""ghost"" of SPSS left: when I run >something like ""Write"" and go to embed an object then ""SPSS Chart"" >appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all >the obvious ""INI"" files without success. The next thing I tried >was looking for the string ""SPSS Chart"" in every file in the >Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or >REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel >inclined to edit it. > >I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers. I think you can do this with REGEDIT, which can make changes to the OLE registration database. From Program Manager (or File Manager) choose RUN and type REGEDIT. You do have it- its included with Windows, but not well documented. Tom paladin@world.std.com " 6333,0,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Lines: 19 nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes: >timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the >>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people >>unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed millions of >>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! How can >>anyone be worse than that? >You're right. And David Koresh claimed to be a Christian. Yup. I can hear the _millions_ cheering for DK right now! Josef Stalin eat your heart out! :) -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) " 6334,1,"Subject: AutoCAD -> TIFF Can it be done???? From: cvadrmaz@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Nntp-Posting-Host: acvax2 Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrmaz Lines: 9 Hello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a change to read this newsgroup very often. Anyways for my senior project I need to convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file. Please I don't need anyone telling me that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I have heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone knows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction. Any help greatly appreciated, Matt Georgy " 6335,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 28 >Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote: > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? A couple of hours > after you ""feel"" sober, or what? Should I just work with ""If I drink > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow""? I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding improves enormously. Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines. NO2 works for me, try it. Nick (the like wow, um, far out, er, Biker) DoD 1069 Concise um errr.... M'like um, er Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` .` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ . _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 6336,14,"From: cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: bashful.phy.duke.edu In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: > >Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will > >be significant commerical activity on the Moon? > > Wishful thinking mostly. [Lots of stuff about how the commerical moonbase=fantasyland] Then what do you believe will finally motivate people to leave the earth? I'm not trying to flame you. I just want to know where you stand. -Chuck --- ******************************************************************* Chuck Chung (919) 660-2539 (O) Duke University Dept. of Physics (919) 684-1517 (H) Durham, N.C. 27706 cchung@phy.duke.edu ""If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress?"" ******************************************************************* " 6337,16,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: ""militia"" (incredibly long) Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 75 In article jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: , cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: <-> In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: <-> > But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large <-> > group of poeple twice a year. Just to try to get the same people <-> > every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can <-> > be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it <-> > requires a continually standing committee of organizers. <-> <-> Again, my response is, ""so what?"" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since <-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support <-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from <-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the <-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it. < Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the <-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated <-> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a <-> number of times. < carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: >In article roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes: >> But this does not imply that ALL relationships between youth >> and adults are exploitative and abusive. >>The critical factor here is whether the sexual activity is ""forced"" >>or whether it is an activity that is consensually agreed upon and >>freely engaged in by the people involved. >>When a child is ""forced"" there is often ""damage"", on the other hand, > Wholeheartedly agree here. >>""consensual"" relationships are often found to be ""positive experiences"" >>for all concerned. > Why do I find this hard to believe? > Care to convince us? Carlos, Why not check out some of the scientific research that has been done in this area and convince yourself. Research around the world indicates that the issue of coercion is the critical factor. For those interested in research on the topic I can suggest, Li et al (England), Constantine (United States), and Sandfort (The Netherlands). I especially like Sandfort's research for he actually quotes what the boys who are involved in the relationships have to say. Children and Sex: New Findings, New Perspectives by Larry Constantine & Floyd M. Martinson (eds.). Little Brown & Co., Boston, 1980. Boys On Their Contacts With Men by Theo Sandfort, Global Academic Publishers, Elmhurst, New York, 1987. Perspectives on Paedophilia by Brian Taylor (ed.). Batsford Academic & Educational Ltd., London, 1981. Paedophilia: A Factual Report by Frits Bernard. Enclave, Rotterdam, The Netherlands, 1985. Sexual Experience Between Men and Boys by Parker Rossman. Maurice Temple Smith Ltd., Middlesex, Great Britain, 1985. Children's Sexual Encounters With Adults by C.K. Li, D.J. West & T.P. Woodhouse. Gerald Duckworth & Co., London, 1990. Yours in Liberation, Roy -- Roy Radow roy@panix.com ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample Bulletin, publications list and membership information send $1.00 postage to: NAMBLA Info, Dept.RR, PO Box 174, Midtown Station, NYC NY 10018. " 6339,14,"From: enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) Subject: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia Lines: 38 From the article ""What's New"" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research: ........ WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC 1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this hideous vision of the future. Observers were startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Now, Space Marketing is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth orbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates (WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. .......... What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). Is NASA really supporting this junk? Are protesting groups being organized in the States? Really, really depressed. Enzo -- Vincenzo Liguori | enzo@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61 2 805 2983 PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 | Fax +61 2 805 2929 " 6340,5,"From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan) Subject: Running X on a PC at home talking to a host over Serial Line Originator: gerard@vaccine.netlabs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: vaccine.netlabs.com Organization: NetLabs, Inc. Lines: 41 Some time back I asked for software recommendations to allow me to run X from my PC at home to my Sparc at the office. Many thanks for all replies, the majority of people recommended PCXremote from NCD. I received it yesterday and installed it on my Sparc and PC with only one hitch. The UNIX install consists of copying 2 files into some local bin directory. On the PC side, I ordered the WINDOWS version which came with a slick windows installation. The only problem I had was that my .xinitrc in my home directory had the line DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0; export DISPLAY s.t the clients I kicked off connected to my Xserver on the Sparc console. By removing this line from the .xinitrc everything worked as planned and the clients connected to the server at `hostname`:1.0 Some comments on performance, I was connected to a Sparc 2 thru a NetBlazer Terminal Server over a 9600 baud line. My PC is a 486-DX2 ATI Ultra, 16 MB Bitmap Stuff Sucked. Basic Editing and compilation stuff definitely usable. Xmail was very usable. At times the first time U typed in an Xclient window there was a very noticable delay, I put this down to brain damaged ""WINDOWS should not be called a SCHEDULER"", besides that this will become my remote work environment for a while. Has anybody tried the NON Windows version of the product, the sales person said they performed about the same, given the over head of WINDOWS I question this? many thanks for help to all who responded gerard " 6341,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500352:000:3446 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 22 17:29:00 1993 Lines: 71 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis To: shaig@Think.COM Subject: Ten questions to Israelis Dear Shai, Your answers to my questions are unsatisfactory. In the answer to my first question, concerning the nonexistence of Israeli nationality, your answer conflicts with information I have received from other quarters, according to which there are two distinct categories of classifying Israelis: Citizenship (Ezrahut) and Nationality (Le'um). The former is used on passports etc, and the later for daily identification in Israeli society. I am told that people in Israel have to carry their ID cards at all times and present them at many public places, almost every day. These ID cards make clear who the holder is, a Jew or an Arab. You maintain that this mainly because of religious services provided. But do you really believe that this is the reason ? Could you provide evidence that this is the case and that it serves no other purpose ? In the answer to my second questions, concerning the fact that Israel has no fixed borders, you state that Israel's borders were 'shaped and reshaped by both war and peace'. According to what I read, the first Zionists in the beginning of the Century, had plans for the Jewish State to extend into what is Lebanon and into Transjordan (Jordan). I also read that it was the express wish of Ben-Gurion to not declare Israel's borders, when Israel was established, as this might restrict Israel's opportunities for later expansion. Israel often claims it right of existence on the fact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago or that God promised the land to them. But according to biblical sources, the area God promised would extend all the way to Iraq. And what were the borders in biblical times which Israel considers proper to use today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982). Your answer to my third question is typical of a Stalinist public official. I don't think your answer is honest. You refer me to Vanunu's revelations about Israel's nuclear arsenal without evaluating the truthfullness of his revelations. Now if he said the truth, then why should he been punished, and if he lied, why should he be punished? I would appreciate more honesty. Somebody provided an answer to the fourth question, concerning 'hidden prisoners' in Israeli prisons. He posted an article from Ma'ariv documenting such cases. It seems that such prisoners do exist in Israel. What do you think about that ? You imply that my questions show bias and are formulated in such a way to 'cast aspersions upon Israel'. Such terms have often been used by the Soviet Union against dissidents: They call the Soviet Union into disrepute. If my questions are not disturbing, they would not call forth such hysterical answers. My questions are clearly provocative but they are meant to seek facts. I would be very happy if you could convince me that what I am told about Israel were just fabrications, but alas you have failed to do so. I suspect that you fear the truth and an open and honest discussion. This is a sign of weakness, not of strength. I hope you will muster the courage to seek the full truth. " 6342,17,"From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 69 In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: > In article , oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) writes: > |> > |> ..[cancellum]... > |> > |> > |> > > Onur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled > Onur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to > Onur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Onur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the > Onur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's > Onur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements. > > bi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ? Henrik (?), Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references on the issue. Just send me EMail for that. > > Onur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in > Onur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only > Onur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now > pursuing. > > Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART > of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and > review the HISTORY. > > The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS > to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their > teritory. > > Onur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to > Onur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such > Onur Yalcin] terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... > > I was not the one that STATED IT. > Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you, assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more easily. !:-) > However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane > to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that. > that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane > (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. > Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid inspection??? -- Onur Yalcin oyalcin@iastate.edu ""Un punto in piu`"" " 6343,12,"From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr20.230749.12821 Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 36 In article sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >--- > >I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how >effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? > > With highest regards, > Babak Sehari. Uh oh... Umm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c. All of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new ways to ""crack"" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked. I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for practical applications, and are merely curious? Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I can. Incidentally, the ""Uh oh..."" at the top is indicative of the dread anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it (from one side or the other.) Matt " 6344,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr2.043642.5682@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes: |In article 17418@news.arc.nasa.gov, howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes: |>Castrol Syntec does not contain teflon, it gets its greater |>lubrication by bonding to the metal surfaces of the engine, |>thus making the metal ride on the polymer rather |>than having metal-to-metal contact. I do not know if this |>also reduces the acid contact with the metal, but it seems |>likely. | |Just becase something forms a resin does not mean that |it's not teflon based. The PTFE in slick-50 is not teflon |either, but it's still teflon based. ""Teflon"" is a DuPont-owned tradename for PTFE. Slick-50 does indeed use DuPont Teflon, though some other brands of such stuff may use imported PTFE of another brand. ""Teflon"", being a trade-name, should always by capitalized. (DuPont disclaims any benefits of PTFE in the oil supply of internal combustion engines, BTW.) Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""We're bad-t-the-bone! 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | Bad-t-the-bone!"" 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | -- Universally feared AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | Denizen warcry. " 6345,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr5.230808.581@cs.brown.edu> cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes: >Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, >then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was >already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they >reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: >1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. >2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. but what is Saturn's motivation here? they're already selling every car they make, with multiple shifts in the plant. given this, what possible motivation could they have to lower prices? cheers, richard -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 6346,2,"From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology Lines: 20 > >I have little info on Chicago so I cant make a comparison. Is it in Beta? Is >there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison? >Just my $0.02 > >/ALN Chicago from what I have read is projected to run in 4M on 386 and higher. It is definitely aimed at the desktop. It is rumored to offer preemptive multitasking, multithreading but will not offer multiprocessing. Is 32 bit and no reliance on DOS. It is rumored to have an integrated file and program manager. DOS 7 is rumored to be similar to Chicago but without the GUI. Is also a step towards CAIRO (the next generation OS) which is rumored to be object oriented. I wonder where Windows 4.0 fits here is it a stepping stone to Chicago? Hope this helps. Thx Dave L " 6347,2,"From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: Need Windows-logo Organization: Clark University Lines: 46 In a previous article, dmmatt@cajun wrote: >In article <1qjqed$1ft@access.digex.net>, holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland) writes: >> Markus Maier (S_MAIER_M@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote: >> : Hi, >> >> : Well I'm searching for the Ms-Windows logo, u know the picture when u >> : start Windows, in some suitable grafics-format, like gif or jpg,... >> >> C:\windows\system\vgalogo.rle. If my memory serves me correctly, >> *.rle is a compressed *.bmp format. >> > An is readable by WinGif, Paintshop Pro, Paint, and god knows how >many other programs. That isn't enough to change your Windows startup logo. vgalogo.rle is not needed after you have installed Windows. It is incorporated as a part of win.com. To make a new win.com, you have to concatinate three files together, using the /b option for a binary concatonation. I beleive it is copy /b win.cnf+vgalogo.lgo+vgalogo.rle mywin.com Make sure you backup your win.com file in anotehr directory before you do this -- I absent-mindedly typed win.com instead of mywin.com and had to resinstall Windows! Anyway, substitute whatever .RLE file you want. The win.cnf has the info needed to start Windows (think of it as a bootstrap) and vgalogo.vga has video information. Just make sure that the .RLE file doesn't tip the whole COM file size over the 64k limit of a .COM file! So anyway, I use mywin.com to startup MS Windows. Now instead of that annoying Micro$oft advertisment, I have the Joker (yes, from Batman) taking yoru picture from the screen, saying ""Smile!"" Also a little bit of text: ""Micro$oft Windows: The world's first commercially sucessful virus."" I added that because of the frequency of crashes. Rob __ +------------------+ / \ -- --===--- | a post by | \__/ --------- | Rob Mohns | | rmohns@ | I had no water, so | vax.clarku.edu | I drowned in sand. +------------------+ | | \|/ | | __\\\|/____________|_______________\//___\\|_|/________\|/_________ " 6348,17,"From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu In-reply-to: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET's message of 19 Apr 93 14:58:49 GMT In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: > > In article arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal > Arens) writes: > > >Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > > ........ > > The problem if transffering US government files about Yigal Arens > and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal > or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law > forum not to this forum. > The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents > of those files. > So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: > 1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? I'm not aware that the US government considers me dangerous. In any case, that has nothing to do with the current case. The claim against the ADL is that it illegally obtained and disseminated information that was gathered by state and/or federal agencies in the course of their standard interaction with citizens such as myself. By that I refer to things such as: address and phone number, vehicle registration and license information, photographs, etc. > 2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? You should ask the ADL, if you want an authoritative answer. My guess is that they collected information on anyone who did or might engage in political criticism of Israel. I further believe that they did this as agents of the Israeli government, or at least in agreement with them. At least some of the information collected by the ADL was passed on to Israeli officials. In some cases it was used to influence, or attempt to influence, people's access to jobs or public forums. These matters will be brought out as the court case unfolds, since California law entitles people to compensation if such actions can be proven. As my previous posting shows, California law entitles people to compensation even in the absence of any specific consequences -- just for the further dissemination of certain types of private information about them. -- Yigal Arens USC/ISI TV made me do it! arens@isi.edu " 6349,6,"Subject: **** Tapes 4 Sale (most sale) **** From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu Lines: 30 Tapes for sale, $3.00 each and the shipping is included. Those tapes are 1 year old and are hardly used, so there should not be any problem with it. I really want to sell them, so make me a package offer if you wish to. Eagles The Best of Eagles Eagles Hotel California Elton John Sleeping with the past Gloria Estefan Into the Light James Ingram The Power of Great Music Kenny G. Duo Tones Lethal Weapon 3 ( music from the motion picture ) Mariah Carey MTV Unplugged EP Michael Bolton Time, Love and Tenderness The Phantom of the Opera Genesis We can't dance Phil Collins ... But Seriously Queen The Works Queen Live Magic Wilson Phillips Send me your offer... Please send your offer to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu thanks you, Douglas Kou Hiram College Hiram, Ohio " 6350,18,"From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 62 steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As |> I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of |> eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers, |> barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian |> agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of |> allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without |> regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be |> free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention. |> (As some/many libertarians would argue.) |> |> On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation |> is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call |> for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any |> kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of |> difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, |> to say the least. |> |> I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, |> national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide |> a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives |> than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable |> exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile |> analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. Excellently put! Even as a libertarian, I have to admit government does do some things I like. There is a beautiful performing arts complex in Ft. Lauderdale that was partially built with tax dollars (I don't know how much was private and how much was stolen, I mean public) but it is beautiful and I enjoy it. (Keep in mind, though, most of the people in the city will never attend a single performance there, so they might feel differently about having to help pay for it.) However, I have to disagree about it being desireable or efficient to give government intervention-power on a case-by-case basis. In fact, we have a lot better luck maintaining our freedom of speech precisely because it is not decided on a case-by-case basis as much as other issues. Judges decide whether political speech is allowed on the sidewalk in front of the post office. They do not try to decide just whether pro-nazi, pro-choice, pro-life, or pro-tax political speech should be allowed on the sidewalk in front of the post office. You can imagine the result if right to free speech was decided by the majority on a case-by-case basis. Not so with economic issues. Government does tell taxi-drivers exactly what they can charge, but not the bus lines or the lawyers. Just as it is not desireable to decide rights of free speech on a case-by-case basis, we should not decide rights to free enterprise on a case-by-case basis. There is hope that a government can be restricted from interferring with free enterprise. But there is no hope, in my opinion, of having a government that interferes with free enterprise in an ""efficient"" manner; I call it political market failure. Thus, if you value freedom and the abundance it produces, you have to swallow the ""whole libertarian agenda."" Roger Collins " 6351,8,"From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo? Article-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.175149.25051 Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 19 In article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: >I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo. I'm >considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US) >with 30,000 km on the odo. This will be my first bike. Any comments? Don't just nab it, POUNCE on it. These are fairly rare bikes, and they are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts. Does a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you? I thought it would... Only really bad things: the stock clutch isn't up to the task. Barnett can take care of this. The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?), and the induction system is a bear to work on. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 6352,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? Lines: 101 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: |>Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? |> |> |> |>Socialism may have collapsed in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Disunion |>but it lingers on in Western Europe and the United States. It remains |>the primary ideology in the hearts and minds of the liberal academia |>and media. But all the political correctness they can muster may not be |>sufficient to hold back the economic forces that threaten to spread |>socialism's collapse from the second world to the first. Indeed, it is |>becoming more apparent every day that socialism may not even survive |>the turn of the century. Ed of course has never demonstrated remarkable knowlege of socialism, or any other political system come to that. |>While the Swedes have already discarded their ""third way"" and the |>French have made history by turning out the Socialist Party in a |>record-setting defeat, it is Italy that appears most precariously |>on the edge of its political existence. That leaves Germany, Japan and the UK as examples of a country where the right wing government is on the verge of collapse. Oh and of course the USA which just elected a socialist government :-) |>Italy, today, is a basket-case even by European standards. It has |>introduced 17 new taxes in 5 months and public-sector revenue is at or |>near the 50% of GDP mark. Etc, unfortunately you can't pin this on the left or the right, both are to blame. Both sides are equally deep into the corruption scandal. The only untained party is the northern league which is a bunch of nationalist separatists and the communist party which has collapsed. |>In spite of this political gluteny, it has |>an annual deficit exceeding the sum of all other EC countries and a |>public debt 2.5 times that of Latin America. Italy is understandably |>having serious trouble selling its treasury bonds in the markets. And |>while Italy is an extreme case, it is anything but unique; all |>European governments appear headed in the same direction in spite of |>their nominally non-socialist governments. |> |>Unfortunately, Europeans being, well, Europeans, it is very unlikely |>that they will discover American-style liberty. Instead, they will |>likely lurch from socialism to fascism as quickly as they had moved |>from fascism to socialism never pausing along the way to reasseses the |>role of government, itself. I hope I am wrong. Ed should take a look at the budget deficit Regan and Bush created together before he starts to make claims about europe collapsing based on the budget deficits here. None of them are serious on the USA scale. And here in Europe we have zero interest in Ed-Ipser type freed thank you. We do not want our countries to be run by a narrow elite of rich lawyers for the benefit of the super wealthy. We are quite happy with social democracy and despite the fuss made in Time and Newsweek there is remarkably little being done to reverse the social welfare reforms brought in by socialism. The problem with socialism is that it started with the aims of free education and health care and provision of the welfare state. This has been achieved across the whole of Europe, only the USA is struggling to catch up. The problem for socialism is what to do now it has succeeded. |>Nobody ever claimed that the collapse of socialism would be pretty. |>The decline of the nation-state will probably lead first to anarchy |>since politicians always cut essential services before pork. Los |>Angeles has rampant crime and frantically waits for the next wave of |>riots but it has a spanking new subway that nobody wants to use and |>which, like every other public transit system in the world, will never |>be economically viable. (If you were trying to extort tax payers, |>which would you cut first, mass transit or police protection?) Ed starts to discus LA, presumably he thinks that it is in Europe. On the other hand he most probably hasn't heard of a European city. |>Thus does the world hurtle toward chaos even as the 21st century |>approaches. Rather the opposite. What is happening in Italy is that the communist party has collapsed. This has meant that the grand coalition between right and left wing parties to keep out the communists has also collapsed. The magistrates have seized this opportunity to crack down hard on fraud and corruption and have arrested half the politicians. The fact that the socialists are in charge this week is incidental, the right is into the corruption just as baddly. What looks likely to happen is the fringe parties are going to do much better in the next election. Most of the parliamentary deputies are going to get replaced and the parties are going to be forced to look to people who are free of any hint of corruption. Look out for a parliament of Pavarotti's and porn stars. Phill Hallam-Baker " 6353,3,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Please Help with Purchasing a 486 Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 47 The last time I was in microprocessor lab was in 1980, using Z-80. So I don't know a lot of buzz terms in PC hardware. Now I need to purchase a 486, help me to ask the right questions. Motherboard: I need 486-33 with 8 MB ram, with additonal slot for 8 more MB. I would like to get two VESA Local Bus. One for video, not sure what am I going to do with the other. It must be able to run Unix. What are other questions that I should ask to ensure getting a quality stuff? What are other important features ? Monitor: I want a 14"" non interlaced svga, but not sure about what brand to get. I can't afford NEC or SONY. What brands should I consider? Acer? Touch? What else should I ask? Video Card: I would like to run Framemaker. So I need a fast video card. Is Western Digital worth the $20 over Cirrus Logic? Do I need more than 1M of V-RAM? One company wanted $50 more for a local bus video card. Is this normal? Hard Drive: Segate, Western Digital, Conner all have the same price. Which one is more liable? which one has better performace? Case/power supply: Given the choise of desktop and minitower, which one is better? What is the adequate power supply? Is cooling a general problem or a non-issue? What features should I ask for? Did I miss anything? I am sure that there are a lot of semi-PC-literates reading this group. Your help is greatly appreciated. Jason Chen " 6354,13,"From: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Reply-To: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 30 In rec.food.cooking, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: >Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before >an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? > I know that there is MSG sensitivity. When I eat foods with MSG I get very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash. I first experienced this problem when I worked close to Chinatown and ate Chinese food almost everyday for lunch. Now I can't tolerate MSG at all. I can notice immediately when I have eaten any. I try to avoid MSG completely. Interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing the exact same rash on their hands. I couldn't understand why because I don't MSG in cooking and we ask for no MSG when we do eat Chinese (I still love it). After some investigation I knew that Oodles of Noodles where one of their favorite foods. One of the main ingredients in the flavor packets is MSG. Now I look at all labels. You would be surprised at places you find MSG. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Betty Harvey | David Taylor Model Basin ADP, Networking and Communication Assessment | Carderock Division Branch | Naval Surface Warfare Code 1221 | Center Bethesda, Md. 20084-5000 | DTMB,CD,NSWC | (301)227-3379 FAX (301)227-3343 | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/ " 6355,6,"From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) Subject: AKG 340 Electrostatic/Dynamic Headphones For Sale Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 14 I have a pair of AKG 340 headphones for sale. They are an electrostatic dyanmic headphone; a dynamic element for the bottom end and an electrostatic for the high end. They are very comfortable and sound very nice. They are in like new condition. I would like $220CDN for the pair. Brett Maraldo -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- ""Alien Technology Today"" bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo " 6356,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: CLINTON: President's Remarks at Town Hall Meeting Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 19 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) says: > THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. > >kind of working together. And if you'll forgive me a little home >state pride, I want to say a special word of thanks to the Wal-Mart >Corporation, headquartered in Bentonville, Arkansas, for providing >several hundred of the sites for this town meeting tonight. I When did Bill start doing endorsements? Will he do the ""Remington Shaver"" ad? Tune in next week. " 6357,2,"From: werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong) Subject: Internal Speaker Driver Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu This probably is in a FAQ somewhere, but.... I'm looking for Microsoft's internal speaker sound driver for Windows. Should be at Microsoft's FTP site, but I can't remember the name of the site... Thanks. " 6358,13,"From: turner@reed.edu (Havok impersonated) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr16.170752.6312 Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR Lines: 35 In article <1qlgdrINN79b@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes: >In article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes: >=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One >=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know >=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized >=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, >=however, because that's not written in their little rule book. >Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is >reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock >in other people. Hmmm. The last time I got stung by a bee I experienced the same reaction the first poster's brother did. We went off to the doctor to see if I should worry about the fact that my foot was now about 3 times it's normal size. (And itched!!! Ow!) He basically said I shouldn't this time, but that bee sting allergy was not something you tended to get aclimatized to, but were something that each time got progressively worse generally and that next time could be the time I go into anaphylactic shock. Admittedly this was many years ago when I was young. Since then I just make sure I don't get stung. I also should carry a bee sting kit with me, but I don't. This isn't scientific or proof, but this would lead me to believe it's not a different reaction, just a different degree of reaction. Allergies work that way. People have various reactions. Sort of like diabetes, some people can get by with just monitoring their diet, others have to monitor their diet and use insulin sometimes while others have to watch their diet like a hawk and use insulin regularly. I think MSG is probably similar...some people have allergic reactions to it. Some people are allergic to fermented things and can't use soy sauce...but the chinese have been using it for centuries... that doesn't necessarily mean that it's safe for everyone. Johanna turner@reed.edu " 6359,12,"Subject: 2SC1096, 2SA634 specs? From: juhan@piko (Juhan Poldvere) Organization: Tartu University, Department of Chemistry Nntp-Posting-Host: piko.chem.ut.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 10 Lines: 10 Hi, Could some kind soul post me the max power/voltage/current ratings of 2SC1096 and 2SA634 transistors, their conductance types and pinouts. They are used in the sweep portion of a TV set. Thanks in advance, -- Juhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | juhan@chem.ut.ee Tartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440 2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429 " 6360,15,"From: belville@athena.mit.edu (Sharon Belville) Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 13 In article , johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) writes: |> >Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must |> >do something to ease the pain. |> |> I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know |> who first came up with the ""God-shaped hole"" business? I've seen this verse used to back up this idea: ""...He has also set eternity in the hearts of men..."" (Ecclesiastes 3:11) -- Sharon Belville " 6361,13,"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) Subject: ""liver"" spots Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Organization: The Instrumentality X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 8 What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they called ""liver spots"" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they indicate some actual liver dysfunction? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 6362,5,"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: Motif maling list Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov The motif mailing list will now be located at lobo.gsfc.nasa.gov If you would like to be added (or deleted) from this list, please send mail to motif-request@lobo.gsfc.nasa.gov to mail to the list, send mail to motif@lobo.gsfc.nasa.gov Brian -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan " 6363,9,"From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY Lines: 34 mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: >In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >>javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson. >But has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22-year-old (or >younger) *rookie* catcher who compared favorably among all league >catchers in terms of defense and brought a .247 bat? Wasn't it >Sandy Alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year? >Not. Wasn't it Benito Santiago who was supposed to be that good >in his rookie year? Not. Hrm. Sandy Alomar, 24 year old rookie: 132 games, .290/.326/.418. Threw out a few baserunners. Benito Santiago, 22 year old rookie: 146 games, .300/.324/.467. He threw out a few baserunners, too. Ivan Rodriguez, *20* year old rookies: 88 games, .264/.276/.354. Didn't exactly suck behind the plate. >I can continue this thread with the others mentioned, but you get >the point. You and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the >seasoned veterans in favor of the hot *young* rookies. Perhaps - >just perhaps - the management team of the pennant-winning Braves >knows something more than you do. And perhaps what they know is >that very, very few 21- and 22-year old rookies come up to the majors >and make an impact. True. Which only makes it more important to realize when you have one of the few. Lopez' season last year, adjusted to major league equivalencies, was .306/.330/.472, 15 HRs. How bad does he have to be behind the plate for that to not be better than Olson's .238/.316/.328? Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com I would not admire hitting against [Ryne] Duren, because if he ever hit you in the head you might be in the past tense. - Casey Stengel " 6364,11,"From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp. Lines: 20 johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly >frightening significance. The comment was made that ""In other parts >of the world the Democrats [note the big ""D""] would be known as >Socialists"" And in other parts of the world, European ""Socialists"" would be known as fascist capitalist pigs. Get your head out of your labels and think carefully for once: According to the EFF announcement on this thing, the NSA has been developing this turkey for *four* years. The manufacturing contract was let *14 months ago*. Anyone out there who believes that the fact that Clinton's name was on this White House announcement means that Bush or any other Republican is a staunch supporter of personal privacy is a fool. If this topic disturbs you, can the political finger-pointing and talk about what you can do about it. If you've just GOT to point fingers, remember that this scheme was STARTED when a secret policeman was President. " 6365,13,"From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA Lines: 52 <1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: dyer@spdcc.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT In article <1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: Newsgroups: sci.med Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!think.com!hsdndev!spdcc!dyer From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA References: <20996.3049.uupcb@factory.com> <79727@cup.portal.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT Lines: 18 In article <79727@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: >I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity >which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring >from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal >results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these >chemicals than other people. I don't remember any connection being made >with seizures, but it certainly couldn't hurt to try an all-natural diet. Yeah, the ""Feingold Diet"" is a load of crap. Children diagnosed with ADD who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and social skills, which in fact continue to decline. Of course, the parents who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their children's development. So much for the value of ""interesting anecdotal results"". People will believe anything if they want to. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer Thanks for all the interest in this problem of mine. I don't think it is a reaction to sugar or junk food per se since Kathryn has never shown any signs of hyperactivity or changes in behavior in response to food. She has always been very calm and dare I say, a neat, smart kid. The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. Anyway, our next trip is to an endocrinologist to check out the body chemistry. But so far, no more sugar coated cereals and no more seizures either. Every day that goes by without one makes me heave a sigh of relief. Thanks again. -- Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov NASA Langley Research Center Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241 Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362 " 6366,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Still Waiting for Evidence, Mr. Cramer Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 46 In article , mortal@netcom.com (Sam Lowry) writes: > In article <15033@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >In article <1993Mar19.142816.15709@rational.com>, kima@excalibur.Rational.com (Kim Althoff) writes: > >> In article <14992@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # ## # Gay men constitute at least 20% of all child molestations. Whether # ## # this is because gay molesters are unusually common, or have unusually # ## # high numbers of victims, sort of misses the point, doesn't it? It # ## # means that whichever is the case, homosexual men are remarkably # ## # hazardous to children. # # # Clayton says: # # # #You are incorrect. The most recent survey data I can find shows that # #26% of molestation is exclusively homosexuals, 4% is bisexual (victims # #are both male and female), and the remainder is exclusively heterosexual. # So what you are saying is that 74% of the child molestations are # committed by heterosexuals. I cannot see the correlation you cite Bisexuals are heterosexuals? Since when? # which concludes that by being homosexual, you will molest children or that # by being homosexual you will have the propensity for molesting children. I haven't said that ""homosexual = child molester,"" simply that is more likely. # If 26% of the molestations are by homosexuals, why are you so concerned # about creating a relation between the two? If you had evidence that # 95% of the molestations are committed by homosexuals you might find a # relationship. Ok, where is the realtionship you make? The one that is shown when NAMBLA marches in gay parades. # Also, what is the reason people molest? From Human Sexuality and a # psych class or too I have taken the overwhelming voice says that people # commit these acts as power trips and to feel in control. This has nothing # to do with sexual orientation. You mean that S&M, because it's a power trip, has nothing to do with sexual orientation? # mortal@netcom.com -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 6367,4,"From: Kathy_McTaggart@mindlink.bc.ca (Kathy McTaggart) Subject: Sound input in SE/30 Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 19 A couple of questions for the multimedia set: 1. Does anybody have a phone or fax number, or e-mail address, or name of a principal in CEDAR Technologies in Dublin, New Hampshire? All I have is a post-office box number, and I want to ask a couple of questions before sending them some money. Any info much appreciated. 2. I'm running an SE/30, which came with no microphone. Is there any way, other than using MacRecorder with SoundEdit or CEDAR's digitizer with some similar software, to input recorded sound into my Mac? I'm trying to play some very short interview clips in a HyperCard stack. Thanks for any and all help. Kathy McTaggart " 6368,14,"From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Subject: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Originator: jmcocker@c00137-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 21 Hi all, I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel offices or like bureau. The companies are: - AMROC - Orbital Sciences Corp. (sp?) - Spacehab, Inc. (I know this one is somewhere in Seattle, WA, or at least part of it is.) - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) - Space Enterprises Inc. If anybody could point me in the right direction on this, I would be most appreciative. I prefer an email response, but I will post a summary if sufficient interest exists. Thanks, Mitch-------------------------------->jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu " 6369,18,"From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) Subject: Re: Celebrate Liberty! 1993 Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 12 Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com In article <1993Apr5.201051.15818@dsd.es.com> Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Waldrop) writes: What did this have to do with SF? And please don't answer that a number of libertarians are SF fans or vice versa. I know a number of SF fans who are also baseball fans but I don't plan on posting the Red Sox schedule. -- Jim Mann Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com " 6370,1,"From: kennu@mits.mdata.fi (Kenneth Falck) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service Nntp-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi Lines: 32 In article bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: >In <1993Apr17.113223.12092@imag.fr> schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) writes: > >>Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes >>with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows. >>So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't >>think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is >>not very nice. > >No, VGALIB? Amazing.. I guess it was lost in all those subdirs :-) >Thanks for correcting me. It doesn't sound very appealing though, only >320x200? I'm glad it wasn't something major I missed. Tommy Frandsen's VGAlib (which is probably what you're talking about) will do the standard VGA modes, some tweaked modes and then the Tseng ET4000 Super VGA modes. I have an ET4000 and I'm viewing GIF's at 640x480/256 (I have a lousy/small monitor) with dpg-view on Linux. I think I had to change some constants in the dpg-view sources to make it use the ET4k modes. VGAlib's sources seem to be designed for easy addition of new Super VGA support; each mode is an array of register values and there's a program that dumps an array declaration of this kind describing the current mode. Haven't tried it though... (Btw, my version of VGAlib is 1.2.) -- kennu@mits.mdata.fi Try Linux, a free UNIX by Linus Torvalds for 386+'s. Read comp.os.linux (or ask me by email if you like) for more information. You can run X11, TeX, GNU EMACS and much more on top of a nice POSIX environment. " 6371,8,"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) Subject: Question???? Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields fields@cis.ohio-state.edu " 6372,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) Article-I.D.: optilink.15238 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr2.154232.29527@Princeton.EDU>, glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes: > In article <1993Apr2.055109.5833@rigel.econ.uga.edu> depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes: > [to which is concluded...] > >The South only wanted FREE TRADE!!! > > No, they wanted slavery. If free trade was in their economic interests > under that regime (which it was), then free trade they wanted too. But > Gary L Hewitt glhewitt@phoenix.princeton.edu Of course, free trade and slavery don't make much sense together in a phrase anyway. Perhaps Mr. Depken meant, ""low import tariffs,"" but that is quite a bit less than ""free trade."" -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 6373,16,"From: kevin@axon.usa (Kevin Vanhorn) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: /usr/users/kevin/.organization Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.byu.edu In-reply-to: roby@chopin.udel.edu's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 05:53:07 GMT In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > > Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set > by cult members. Correction: The *FBI* *says* that two of the nine who escaped said the fire was deliberately set by cult members. Since the press was kept miles away, we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the government's claims in this matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin S. Van Horn | Is your religion BATF-approved? vanhorn@bert.cs.byu.edu | " 6374,6,"From: bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) Subject: UNIX PC Software for sale Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX login: guest) Lines: 41 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com Greetings: Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling: dBase III - Full dBase III multiuser Development/Runtime for 3B1! Microsoft Basic Interpreter - Gives 2.5 Megabytes RAM available! Microsoft Word - Full featured mouse-based multiuser word-processor. Microsoft MultiPlan - Nice multiuser spreadsheet program. GSS-Chart - Nice graphical program for creating business charts. LPI-C - A robust C compiler. I'll throw in LPI-DEBUG:single-step,alter vars. AT&T Electronic Mail - Very nice Office-based front end to mail. I'll take $500 or best offer for the whole bunch. I bought all of these new in 1985, and paid over $2,000 for these excellent programs. I'd rather sell them together, but don't hesitate to make me an offer for one. I'd consider possible trades. I'm interested in the following 3b1 Hardware: Ethernet Card with or without Software Tape Backup External Expansion Unit Upgraded P5.1 motherboard (Or just info on who can do the P5.1 upgrades) ICUS 2nd hard drive upgrade kit AT&T 513bct, 610, 615, or 4415 terminals with the UNIXPC-style keyboard Make me an offer. Bob Ames bob@crl.com 707-546-0669 PS: I can get UNIX PCs with 40M Drives and 1M Motherboards loaded with 3.51m, cnews, smail, trn, rn, elm, nethack, gzip, HDB, and a couple other things for about $550 each plus shipping. Let me know if you're interested. PPS: Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster) are on sale for $280 thru a vendor in LA (Number not handy, write for info) This is a VERY good price for these drives, the largest, fastest HDs available for the UNIX PC. (Note, to fully use the entire 150M, you'll need the P5.1 motherboard upgrade [WHO DOES THESE?], and a WD2010) " 6375,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 63 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more >culturally similar, namely the Canadians... I don't think such a Canada is any more ""culturally similar"" to the United States than England. In terms of laws regarding individual rights, restrictions on police searches, etc... (all closely related to crime) Canadian laws parallel England's and differ greatly from those of the United States. >...In fact, an exhaustive, >seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates >of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities >with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography >and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control. Actually, they do not have ""roughly the same... urban economy"", and extremely different ethnic composition. >Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle >(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000). >After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations, >the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as >compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63. However, if you account for economic and ethnic differences, the difference disappears completely: Seattle's minorities are predominatly poor, while Vancouver's are middle or upper class. The rates for whites in both cities were found to be identicle, while the rate for poor, Seattle minorities was almost three times as great as for the well-to-do minorities of Vancouver. The pattern seems to be one of poverty and race relations, not one of gun control. >The authors of the report also investigated ""legally justifiable"" >homicides (self-defense). Only 32 such homicides occurred during >the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police. Only >21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred... That is a gross distortion: ""Self-defense"" does not mean killing the attacker. There were 21 cases of civilians killing their attacker in self-defence. But such cases represent less that 0.5% of the crimes prevented by armed self-defence; for every case you cite, there were over 200 other cases of self-defence where the crime was prevented but the attacker was not killed. (0.5%, by the way, is the most conservative possible figure, based on the National Crime Survey's estimate of 80,000 crimes prevented by armed self-defence each year. Most other studies on the subject put the figure at 500,000 to 600,000. Those figures would imply less than 0.08% of sucessful self-defences involve killing the attacker.) So, more correctly, there over 4000 (possibly as many as 25,000) cases of civilians acting in self-defence, only 21 of which resulted in the death of the attacker. This is a significant factor, in comparison to the 592 homicides. If memory serves, homicides make up approximately 1% of the violent crimes the study considered, so the fair comparison would be 40 - 250 homicides prevented and 592 homicides. Clearly, the study can not be close to accurate, since it ignored these cases of self-defence. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 6376,18,"Subject: Re: Stop putting down white het males. From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Lines: 32 In mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson) writes: >Yuri Villanueva (elmo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu) wrote: >: pbray@envy.reed.edu (Public account) writes: >: >: > In article <1993Apr2.180839.14305@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> >: > as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: >: >> In <1993Apr2.064804.29008@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> >: >> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes: >: >> >: >>We are told, by U.S. congresswoman Barbara Jordan, that we are biologically >: >>incapable of compassion. >Personally, I doubt she said anything of the kind, but if >someone can provide the ORIGINAL quote, IN CONTEXT, WITH SOURCE >(for, ahem, cross-checking), I would we willing to agree >she is full of sh*t. Naturally, if no one can provide these >bits of data, the paraphrase listed must be disregarded, >and its poster regarded as full of sh*t. OK, so which will it be? I followed up without a thought of double-checking...if I double-checked every fact people vomited onto the table here on the net, I'd never have time to sleep. But to pass the buck to the person who originally posted that quote... ...well, Michael? Take it away! (wild applause) Drewcifer -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes " 6377,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 85 In article <1r27ld$bp2@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >> [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the >> ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on >> the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] > >Was THAT your argument. Well, you didn't make it very well. You started >from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of >insanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident. Recall, one >survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene >lamp. Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no? And another survivor claims he heard someone shouting ""The fire's started!"". Odd terminology. That's what one says when you know a fire is planned, not when one occurs by accident. We will have to wait and see what the evidence shows, assuming one is willing to believe any evidence offered by the ""distrustful ones"". >> >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off >> >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh >> >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. >> >> These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of >> >> his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar >> >> to the way Jim Jones has been described. >> > >> >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance? >> >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15. >> >> I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. >> The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable >> enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire. > >""Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail."" > >Let me ask it more plainly. Which of the above complaints about David >Koresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the >Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms? Neither. Again I was merely addressing the sanity level of the players. I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly from day one. BTW, I heard on the news today that the affadavit behind the no-knock warrant was unsealed today. Grenade launcher was the only thing on the list that I found unusual. >> >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set >> >> >:by cult members. > >> >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, >> >> will you believe them? > >> >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else >> >who doesn't know them personally. > >> Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? > >It's not entirely far-fetched. Nobody outside the compound would know >EVERYBODY inside the compound. Don't forget, the BATF admits having >agents inside the compound, in any case. Ambitious news reporters could use the documentary filmed by an Australian in 1992 on the compound grounds to help identify survivors. I, for one, will check their stories for consistency with what I learned in a long news story about that documentary. >> At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. >> Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no >> good if you believe in eternal darkness. > >I'm simply being the devil's advocate. There's reasonable doubt by the >boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official >government story on Waco. Certainly there is some room for doubt. I certainly reserve the right to change my opinions when new evidence warrants such a change. If I were conspiratorially minded, however, I would never be able to change my mind, because any evidence I disliked would have to be a lie fabricated by the ""distrustful ones"". -- " 6378,10,"From: dvb@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Blaszyk) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 30 Jason Cockroft (jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote: : What are the Leafs to do? I am a Leaf supporter and : I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there : is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits Root for another team. ;-) : Andreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against : the Wings. They are too small. The key to any Leafs success : will have to be Clark. He is the only centre who can have .. Andreychuk, is NOT small, slow and sloth-like, maybe, but he is about 6'4"" and that is not what I would consider as small. As an aside, The big AndreyCHUNK as I call him has been known to disappear come playoff time. This was one of his main problems when playing for Buffalo. : GO LEAFS !!! GO SABRES !!! -- /-// \\-\Dave Blaszyk e-mail : dvb@snowmass.ssd.kodak.com /-//\ /\\-\(716) 253-7953 mail : Eastman Kodak ///d// \\v// \\b\\\ C Plant, Bldg. 10 MC 39011 \\\// \// \\/// Rochester, New York 14620 " 6379,19,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Summary: Another Inerrantist rewrites the Bible. Keywords: Scripture, implication, prophesy, `Woof!' Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Disclaimer: Brandy the WonderDog hopes his doghouse will be rebuilt. Lines: 93 There has been a lot of discussion about Tyre. In sum, Ezekiel prophesied that the place would be mashed and never rebuilt; as there are a lot of people living there, it would appear that Ezekiel was not literally correct. This doesn't bother me at all, because I understand the language Ezekiel used differently than do so-called Biblical literalists. For example, it sometimes happens that someone says ""My grandson is the cutest baby!"" and then turns around and sees the granddaughter and says ""Oh! Isn't she the cutest thing!?"" This person is not literally claiming to have lined up all the babies in the world according to cuteness and discovered his own grandchildren tied for first. Rather, he is trying to express his emotions using words that are very object-oriented. Because this example is one that is common to many people, nobody misunderstands the intent of the statements; the Bible, however, is often at the mercy of people who assume that everything within must be exactly literally true. For those people, the existence of Tyre is a problem; for me, it is not. Turning to the latest person trying to defend Ezekiel, we read this from John E King: > The prophesy clearly implies that people would still be living in the > area[.] No, it implies nothing of the kind. If you had nothing but the prophecy from Ezekiel, and you were told you interpret it literally, you would never say ""Oh, he means that there will be houses and businesses and plants and stuff like that."" You would read ""I will make you a bare rock"" and ""You will never be rebuilt"", and you'd conclude that Tyre would be a bare rock. The only way to get from `fishing nets' to `houses and buildings and a medium-large population' is if you KNOW that all that latter stuff is there. In other words, your answer means that Ezekiel misled everybody who read the prophecy at the time it was written. There is no way that, given a literal reading, they could read this passage and conclude ""medium-size city"". You seem to feel that ""Never be rebuilt"" means ""be rebuilt"" -- maybe so, but it is hardly a `clear implication'. Mr King also writes: > So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000. > Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards > we are talking about a one-horse town. Well, no. That's only a bit less than the population of Annapolis, where I'm from. You know, the Naval Acadamy, the state capital, George Washington resigned his commission in the statehouse? Annapolis may not be New York, but it's at least a two-horse town. But supposing 22,000 people is a ""small town"" -- it's still 22,000 people MORE than Ezekiel predicted. And you've said nothing about the other problem. In chapter 26, Ezekiel predicts that Nebuchadnezzar will will destroy Tyre and loot all their valuables. However, Nebuchadnezzar did NOT destroy Tyre, and in chapter 29 Ezekiel even quotes God as saying ""he and his army got no reward from the campaign he led against Tyre."" Let's ignore Alexander for a moment, and just pay attention to chapter 26. Ezekiel says N. would destroy Tyre, and N. did NOT destroy Tyre. Ezekiel says that N. would plunder their valuables, but N. did NOT plunder their valuables. Regardless of what you think about Tyre _now_, the fact is that N. died before the place was destroyed. Ezekiel said N. was going to do it, and N. did not. * This post is, of course, pointless. Inerrantists have an amazing ability to rewrite the Bible as needed to fit whatever they want it to say. For example, I expect Mr King to respond to the comments about Ezekiel 26 by pulling some ""clear implications"" out of hat. When Ezekiel said that N. would ""demolish your towers"", that clearly implied that the walls would still be standing so people would know where the towers used to be. And when Ezekiel said that N. would ""demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea"", that clearly implied that N. would never set foot on the island. And when Ezekiel wrote that N. would ""build a ramp up to your walls"", that clearly implies that N. would spend 13 years stomping around on the mainland and never get close to the walls. See? A few ""clear implications"" that are totally contrary to the text, and you can reconcile anything you want. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ""[Do] You know why I'm the enabler? Because you demand it!"" -- Cliff Claven " 6380,10,"From: pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) Subject: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA Lines: 12 With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem winning in May. Dean " 6381,2,"From: de7043@medtronic.COM (Don Eller) Subject: Re: MIDI files on MS-Win3.1 and SoundBlaster 1.0? Article-I.D.: medtron.1993Apr22.190051.23597 Organization: Medtronic, Inc. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: bhutan.inst.medtronic.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : I have a 486DX-33 computer with a SoundBlaster 1.0 card. I'm running : Microsoft Windows v3.1. I have the SB driver set up properly to play : normal sounds (.WAV files, etc.). I want to play midi files through the : Media Player that is included with windows. I know I have to set up the : patch maps or something in the MIDI-Mapper in the Control Panel. I KNOW : NOTHING ABOUT MIDI. (This is to be the way I'll get my feet wet.) : How do I set up Windows so that I can play MIDI files? If you install the Soundblaster windows drivers correctly, and have the latest drivers, the media player should be setup to play files authored to Microsoft's Multimedia midi authoring standard (General Midi), see the section in the back of the Voyetra manual in the Soundblaster midi upgrade kit. You'll find that midi files exist with all kinds of different mappings, so don't expect them to always sound correct without using some kind of midi file editor, such as Voyetra's Sequencer Plus. You can attempt to use the midi-mapper to remap the patches for soundblaster, but since you cannot modify the sbfm.drv you are allways stuck with the instruments that come with this driver. Unless you can find an editor for making modifications to the instrument settings in sbfm.drv , I would suggest you locate the early version of soundblaster drivers that were mapped to mt32 voices, and the later drivers that are mapped to the general midi voices. : : -- : David Thomas Dudek / v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet \ __ _ The Cybard : State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu \ / `-' ) ,,, : of New York / ""If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} : @ Buffalo / play on!"" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) ''' " 6382,9,"From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay) Subject: Call for Votes - DTBL MVP and CY. Please vote! Article-I.D.: ucdavis.C52s31.49q Distribution: na Organization: Harold Brooks Hot & Sour Soup Club, Ltd. Lines: 79 The regular season of the 1992-93 Davis Tabletop Baseball League has just come to an end. To help us with next year's league, I would appreciate it if you would take a couple of minutes and vote for our league MVP and CY winners. These awards, and players' standings in them, will inflate their salaries for next year's league. Please vote for 5 in each category, in order. For example... 1. Barry Bonds 2. Frank Thomas 3. Biff Pocoroba 4. Shooty Babitt 5. ""Lips"" Lundy. Please do NOT vote for pitchers in MVP voting for this league. Each team in the league gets one candidate for MVP, and one for CY. Defensive position is listed where applicable, along with an abbreviation of their performance there (E=Excellent, V=Very Good, A=Average, P=Poor, B=Very Poor) Thanks... please reply by April 10. For the record - the season was 144 games long. Thanks for your help. MVP Candidates Name G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI BB K SB CS IBB BA/OBP/SLG DEF Griffey 124 338 99 27 0 16 44 64 39 50 0 0 16 293/362/515 8-P EMartinez 139 562 176 55 3 14 85 87 44 77 14 5 6 313/359/496 5-A Sandberg 137 559 163 35 6 20 100 102 64 67 4 1 2 292/360/483 4-V Ventura 144 562 161 32 0 9 83 59 80 61 0 1 3 286/374/391 5-E McGriff 148 533 150 25 1 33 89 98 102 132 0 3 20 281/398/518 3-P McGwire 138 487 134 31 1 34 108 104 128 100 0 3 38 275/425/552 3-E RAlomar 127 515 159 23 8 5 85 34 70 67 54 11 1 309/389/414 4-P Dykstra 144 582 157 27 1 3 94 60 65 67 89 20 3 270/339/335 8-A Butler 137 534 158 13 13 1 82 50 83 69 13 19 0 296/386/375 8-B Deer 119 425 103 26 1 33 66 75 44 141 1 3 2 242/311/541 9-V Bonds 145 465 143 39 4 33 128 101 187 62 23 5 68 308/502/622 7-E Hrbek 129 423 112 21 0 12 62 52 80 77 1 0 2 265/380/400 3-P JGonzalez 135 543 121 17 1 38 59 85 28 146 0 0 2 223/259/468 8-B Some players missed time due to injuries, others were sat down at the end to avoid the possibility of injury. There are better players than those on this list, but each team gets one and only one candidate. Some players played more than 144 games due to being traded to teams with more games left in the same time span. Now, on to the pitchers... Name ERA G W L S IP H BB K HR GS CG ShO WP DMartinez 3.01 30 15 8 0 209.1 173 76 124 12 30 2 0 2 Dibble 0.80 37 0 2 25 33.2 21 8 46 1 0 0 0 0 Rijo 3.40 26 13 7 0 177.1 175 56 133 12 26 5 1 5 Mussina 2.92 29 15 7 0 206.2 167 46 119 15 29 3 1 2 Benes 3.24 28 14 9 0 194.1 172 53 127 13 28 4 1 1 KHill 2.93 27 16 7 0 196.2 144 64 166 20 26 8 3 1 Smoltz 3.62 28 11 11 0 186.1 177 66 158 9 28 6 1 7 Cone 3.46 28 14 7 0 197.2 152 103 193 10 28 7 1 5 Drabek 2.79 29 13 10 0 206.2 166 55 131 16 29 4 0 2 Tewksbury 3.28 25 12 8 0 172.2 168 36 64 8 25 4 2 1 Clemens 2.94 31 16 11 0 223.1 198 71 178 13 31 17! 2 1 Tomlin 2.48 28 12 5 0 196.0 172 42 97 8 27 1 0 2 Farr 0.81 38 4 1 17 55.1 28 25 38 1 0 0 0 0 There you have it. Curt Schilling threw a perfect game during the year, and Ken Hill threw a no-hitter. Rob Dibble had pitched 32 scoreless innings to start the year, only to choke in the last two games to cost the Perot's Giant Sucking Sounds a playoff spot. If you want stats of more players, they are available by request. Please take the time to reply if you can. Thanks. -- * Gary Huckabay * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90's! * * ""A living argument for * If there's anything we love more than a huge * * existence of parallel * .sig, it's someone quoting 100 lines to add * * universes."" * 3 or 4 new ones. And consecutive posts, too. * -- ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| " 6383,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Supply Side-revenue Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Distribution: na Lines: 22 In <9460@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar) writes: |In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: |> |> The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level |> ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. |Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a |not-inconsiderable achievement. |While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that |reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in You need to hop over to talk.politics.misc. Wee have been chewing on this gem for awhile. The challenge has been made to name a single supply sider who ever said this. For the last three weeks the challenge has gone unmet. I issue the same challenge to you. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 6384,11,"From: peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow Organization: Memex Information Systems Ltd, East Kilbrde, Scotland Lines: 70 Excerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions: > -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone > calls and data, under proper court or other legal > order, when necessary to protect our citizens; >Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > >A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They > would then present documentation of this authorization to > the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and > obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug > smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are > stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key > escrow system. In these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a court order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal wiretap. What is/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the system of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system? The second section shows the sequence of events. The law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the line with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope with digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are talking analogue telephony here). What next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use? Is it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained? I thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some intermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course in data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the digital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the same problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not be at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later it would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units (these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn. How tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed for use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone line quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised speech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to add lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync. >Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > >A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. ... One of the > attractions of this technology is the protection it can give > to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this > in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a > case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these > devices to secure their own communications abroad. > ... This raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect anything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body called BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group, that they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know if this is true or not, but this would make a good test case. Perhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get to fish in the escrowed key pool as well. Peter Ilieve peter@memex.co.uk " 6385,1,"From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Farley) Subject: Re: Photoshop for Windows Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 37 In article <1r85m2$k66@agate.berkeley.edu> aron@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Aron Bonar) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.011720.28958@midway.uchicago.edu>, dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (David Farley) writes: >|> In article beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) writes: >|> > >|> > >|> >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop >|> >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there >|> >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? >|> > >|> >Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. >|> > >|> >Thank you. >|> > >|> >Andre Boisvert >|> >beaver@rot.qc.ca >|> > >|> An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info >|> World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower >|> than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler >|> and PhotoShop for Windows. David >|> > >I don't know about that...I've used Photoshop 2.5 on both a 486dx-50 and a Quadra >950...I'd say they are roughly equal. If anything the 486 was faster. > >Both systems were running in 24 bit color and had the same amount of RAM (16 megs) >I also believe the quadra had one of those photoshop accelerators. I went back and looked at the review again. They claim there were significant differences in manipulating a 27 meg test file, but with smaller files, the two platforms were the about the same. David -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 " 6386,18,"From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Didn't the new study asked ""have you engaged in homosexual intercourse within the last two years"" whereas Kinsey asked ""have you ever engaged or thought about engaging in homosexual activity"". Sort of like the difference between ""did you have yogurt this morning"" and ""are you allergic to lactose"". -- -- Michal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Impressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner. " 6387,3,"From: tcking@uswnvg.com (Tim King) Subject: Gateway 2000 & booting from floppy Organization: Ground Zero Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I have a Gateway 4DX-33V with my 3.5 inch floppy as drive A. I accidentally discovered that if a have a floppy from ONE particular box of diskettets in the A drive when I boot up, rather than getting the ""Non-system diskette"" message, the machine hangs and the CMOS gets overwritten (luckily, Gateway sends a print of the standard CMOS settings with their systems). This only happens with a box of pre-formatted Fuji disks that I have, no other disks cause this problem. If I re-format one of the Fuji disks, the problem goes away. I did a virus scan (scan v1.02) of the disks and found nothing. Anyone have any idea what is going on here? Hardware problem? A virus that can't be detected? The system reading in garbage from the boot sector? -- Tim King, tcking@uswnvg.com " 6388,18,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 188 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: > >In article , VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > >|>>|> If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than >|>>|>we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also. >|>>|>(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much >|>>|>greater power than did the American system). >|>> >|>>In principle no, in practice yes. >|> >|> In principle no? That they had less power of that they should have >|>had less power? > >The British parliament in principle has absolute power. So does the Monarch. >Much of the stability of the system rests on what is not defined clearly. >In the case of a clear abuse by one side or the other the other side >can act to remedy the situation. Two institutions with absolute power. Cute. Let's talk practicality, shall we? If the Monarch tried to do something, what would happen? >|>>If they were to start from a social welfare model instead of the current >|>>""no state subsidy motto"" they would be better placed. As it is there is >|>>plenty of state money being handed out. The problem is that it is >|>>distributed on the basis of power in congress and not on the basis of >|>>actual need. >|> >|> Bingo. The higher up the governmental ladder the less actual >|>need matters, because political power can be concentrated at higher >|>levels, while people with less cloud only find themselves reduced to >|>in effectiveness. > >That was not my point. But you illustrated the problem very well. >|>>In order to set up a school project in New York state you have to pay off the >|>>other 49 states with pork - defense contracts, agricultural subsidies etc. >|>>Or to be precise 30 of the states since you need 60 to beat the filibuster. >|> >|> Then why not simply leave New York's education to New York? I >|>remain unconcinved that there is any state in the Union which is not capable >|>of educating its own children if that's what they want to do. > >The point is of redistribution of cash from the poor areas of the ecconomy >to the rich ones. I am contending that there is no state in the Union which does not have ample wealth, if they choose to spend it, to run a perfectly acceptable Education system. (I further contend that the amount of money being spent now is more then sufficient, but is being spent badly.) >Or vice versa if you aren't a Republican. So, tell me Phill. Were the Republicans also responsible for some of the *huge* increases in social programs? Or were they *only* responsible for what you don't like. (I contend it is Congress which is to blame. Democrat and Republican alike.) >If society >simply writes off any areas of the country that is ecconomically weak you >end up with a basket case ecconomy. There are inevitable cycles in any >business. Some of these act in phase to produce the ""business cycle"". >Others are countercyclic. Localities can experience boom to bust cycles >outside the national trend. To produce a strong ecconomy you need to >ensure that the bust areas do not fall bellow the level where they >cannot be ecconomically rebuilt. Most of our worst areas are still better off than most of Europe. In any case, we're talking about *education*. >If the industry in an area collapses >the US as a whole still has a responsibility to ensure that the children >in that area get a good education. In some areas of the US schools are closing >halfway through the year for lack of money. Yes, I live in once such area. You're woefully ignorant of the situation. At the same time some of Tennessee's school districts are closing down, the Governor asked for 7.5 million dollars for bicentenntial celebration license plats. In almost the same breath he wanted to raise unemployment compensation and reduce taxes which paid into it. I don't know about the rest of the country, but *our* education problems stem directly from two problems, neither of which are a lack of money in the state. (BTW, Tennessee is considered a ""tax heaven"" and our economy is one of the strongest in the country. *I* see a correlation.) 1) What money we spend goes primarly to administration. The average administrator makes two and a half times what the average teacher makes, and sucks up an enormous amount of revenue. And 2) the Governor is making a concerted effort to create an ""Education crisis"" in order to push for his pet income tax. Some of the most idiotic programs get funded (like State funds for new art in the county seat) while schools are closing. It's not a lack of funds. It's an unwillingness to spend them on what is more appropriate. Education is *the* parental hot-button. Education is *always* the first to but cut, because it's easier to get people to pay for their children than ugly art. >|> The U.S. Constitution is a nuts-and-bolts document. The Delcaration >|>of Independence was the high-brow reasoning. (There are a couple of other >|>examples, though, such as the reasoning for the power to tax, and the >|>reasoning for the power to grant permits, both in Article I, Section 8.) > >The Declaration on independence cam a decade earlier and has not a line >of justification for the US constitution. You could argue that it went >into the broad concepts but little more. It spoke very eloquently on government being based on the consent of the governed. >In fact it is little more than >a protracted whinge. More to do with the price of tea than the design of >a government. It would be a pretty daft idea for a bunch of guys to >sit arround designing the structure of the new government while the little >matter of the British army remained to be settled. They did it anyway. The Continental Congress had its own set of bylaws. It wasn't quite a government, but a means of making decisions had to be created. (However low George Washington's opinion of them were.) >|> To a certain extend I do believe the veto has become something >|>it wasn't intended. However, I also believe it is inevitable considering >|>the Congress' own abuse of their power to make bills say whatever they >|>want them to say. Unlike most people I think we shouldn't be worrying >|>about the veto, which is fine, but of the problem in Congress which >|>almost necessitates its abuse. > >The Congress is the most democratic body in the whole system. Allow me again to speak heresy against the Holy Democratic Orders. So what? The government was built with a very non-democratic Presidency with fairly broad powers, including the veto. >It has not only >the fairest system of election but the two year term means that the >members have always got a recent mandate. Yes, and the Senate was intended to act as a balance to this. Too much democracy was intentionally avoided. It was considered a good thing to place non-democratic blocks to impulsive action. >On the other hand if the period of election were to be made 4 years in >antiphase to the Presidential cycle there would be much less dependence >on fund raising from special interests than there is at present. So long as Congress has something to sell, people will pay for it. Most congressmen rake in more money than they need. >|> Why not? What is inherently wrong with biasing the system >|>against action? Historically governemnt action in the U.S. when >|>dealing with issues with a bare minority and a large minority have >|>not been successful. When you're in a position of imposing federal >|>power on diverse people, why should the federal government not have to >|>got through something more than a bare majority > >In other words David thinks that the reactionaries should need only 41 >votes while progressives should need 61. No, if the ""progressives"" don't want the ""reactionaries"" to move backward, they get the same benefit. 41% of the states is a *lot* of people. And historically laws with that sort of minority arent' very effective, especially since it is usually geographically concentrated. When wielding the Federal Big Stick I don't see why they shouldn't have to make a better argument than, ""more people than not,"" agree. >Now we know why nobody calls the Republicans democrats. I'm not a Republican. I'm a republican. :-) And no, I'm neither a Democrat nor a democrat. Now, I've asked several times, and all you've done is answer ""It isn't democratic,"" which I knew before I said it. Why *should* it be democratic? We don't have a true direct democracy, and few people advocate one. Why, then, is this other modification of democracy to bias it against action so much worse? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 6389,2,"From: mlin@pdx222.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ming T. Lin) Subject: WORD = BYTE ?? Reply-To: mlin@ichips.intel.com Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel Lines: 15 I just moved from Borland C++ 3.0 to Visual C++ today. When I tried to compile my C++ program, it complained a function prototype problem. It turned out that the typedef WORD in MS C++ is a BYTE, not unsigned int. Could anyone shine some light on this subject ? Why a WORD is a BYTE ? -Ming T. Lin --------------------------------------------------------------------------- mlin@ichips.intel.com (503) 696-4806 " 6390,8,"From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm) Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me Article-I.D.: colorado.1993Apr6.153132.27965 Reply-To: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: Department of Rudeness and Pomposity Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: sluggo.colorado.edu In article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes: >}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing), >}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally, > I think I've seen this bike. Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR. I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!) but it was gone. Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR? I would imagine so, kinda neccisary for quick tire changes. When I first saw it, I assumed it was a bike repainted to cover crash damage. Joel. " 6391,4,"From: jmg14@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Graham) Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt3ns$mdu Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu I believe that in order to get at the innards of the new mouse, you must remove the label on the bottom that says ""Apple Desktop Bus Mouse II"" There you should find two screws on either side. I haven't tried it myself yet, but when I ran my fingernail accross the label, these two divots appeared, and I can only assume that these are the elusive screws in question. cheers, john -- ******John M. Graham*********************** ******The Cleveland Institute of Music***** ******jmg14@po.cwru.edu******************** Brought to you by the letters J, M, and G, and the number 14. " 6392,12,"From: baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari) Subject: *]] MOSFET help... Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 28 Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm asking for help. I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to one, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v stepper. What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a small schematic would probably be helpfull). Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering if I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message) current limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as that illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully help me with). ... hmm... different request... Thanks. _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | | ------------------------------------------------- baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 " 6393,11,"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: political point of attack: Clipper infrastructure Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu My earlier argument that ""Clipper will encourage state and local cops to commit criminal acts"" is largely moot, now that we've learned that the FBI will perform the actual tap. [It will encourage the *FBI* to commit (even more) criminal acts, but that's not the point here.] But this gives another avenue of attack on the Clipper proposal. When the EFF/ACLU/CPSR FOIA requests are made, they should ask for details on the bureaucratic and equipment infrastructure that is proposed (or even already budgeted) for the FBI to service tapping requests -- for now and the projected future. From these figures, estimate the number of Clipper-tap requests the FBI is expecting. Publish this figure. Compare it on a per-capita basis with the amount of tapping now known or suspected. Also estimate how expensive it would be for the FBI to install more Clipper-tapping stations, and how rapidly they could be built and installed ... ie, get the ""plus or minus"" epsilon for the near future. Might be a mite disturbing for J. Q. Public to know these things. And despite all the technical details [BTW, thanks to those who've been providing them!], we still don't know 1) how the tapping requests will be transmitted and authenticated (though it isn't too hard to guess a good scheme). 2) how the results will be securely transmitted (Fed Ex the audio tapes?) 3) how privacy will be re-established when an investigation is complete. +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ " 6394,5,"From: hildjj@jupiter.fuentez.COM (Joe Hildebrand) Subject: Re: question regarding overlaying of graphics Organization: The Internet Lines: 30 To: venkatg@grace.cs.orst.edu (Gopal Venkatraman) Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > Let's say I have two rectangles on the canvas(see above) > one intersecting the other... > Now, I would like to delete one of the rectangles. > The way I do it is to create another GC wherein I use the > GXxor logical function and simply redraw the rectangle using the newly > created graphics context thus deleting it for all apparent purposes. > A problem with this approach is that at the points of intersection the pixel > locations belonging to the other rectangle also become white, which is > something that should be avoided. You could set up a bitmap with a mask in it. Clear the bitmap, draw the rectangle to be deleted with GXor. Draw the one that is to stay with GXclear. Then GXxor the entire pixmap with the screen. Note that this is a pretty effective way of animation, if you ever need to do that (replace the GXclear with a GXxor). ---------- Joe Hildebrand hildjj@fuentez.com Software Engineer Fuentez Systems Concepts (703)273-1447 Standard disclaimers apply " 6395,6,"Organization: Central Michigan University From: Matthew S. Bailey <32BDZWC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: FOR SALE: Apple IIgs Distribution: usa Lines: 17 Apple IIgs Imagewriter II COLOR printer Color RGB monitor 3.5"" DRIVE 5.25"" drive keyboard Mouse lots of disks some applications most manuals And My utmost gratification for only 650.00 or BO " 6396,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Centris 650 Math CoProcessor option Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Distribution: usa Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 40 David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com writes: >Sorry if this is a FAQ. I don't normally read comp.sys.mac.hardware. >I am purchasing a couple of Centris 650's. I configured the systems >as follows: > Eight (8) Mb RAM > Ethernet > 1 Mb VRAM > Math CoProcessor option >My purchasing agent told me about the math coprocessor option and sent >me the Apple summary documentation to prove it. I ordered the coprocessor >option, but I'm really not sure that we needed it. I thought the '040 chip >had a math coprocessor built into it. Has Apple had a math coprocessor chip >architectured to keep up with the speed of the '040 chip in the Centris 650? >I am concerned that I may have set up a hardware bottleneck. Apple has really confused people with this whole thing. I think we'll be answering this question for about the next year or so. There is no ""option"" to get an FPU on a C650. What you have is a choice of CPUs: there is the 68LC040 that does not have an integrated FPU like the full '040 and is only present in the base 4/80 model of the C650 (AppleUSA). And there is the full '040 which you get when you order anything other than the base 4/80 configuration. Therefore, since you have ordered one of the 8MB versions with on-board Ethernet models you will not be getting the LC040. But even if you wanted to have the LC040 you wouldn't be able to order a C650 with 8MB RAM, on-board Ethernet and an LC040. It's not an ""option."" Also, a note to people out there that have 4/80 C650s and C610s thinking that there is an optional FPU, the '040 class chip cannot recognize an external FPU, so there is no socket on the motherboard for a FPU chip and you cannot go out and purchase an FPU on a PDS card or something like that. The only way to get an FPU in these machines is to replace the LC040 with a full '040. And if you have a C610, you will not need to worry about a heat sink if you do replace the LC040 with the full '040, but if you have a 4/80 C650 you do need to have a heat sink. -Hades " 6397,6,From: jamal@socrates.umd.edu (Jamal Asi) Subject: Comics : The complete set of the ad. of Buck Rogers in the 25th century Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 5 The complete set of the adventures of Buck Rogers is forsale. Make a REASONABLE offer. Email me back if interested. Thanks. jamal@socrates.umd.edu 6398,16,"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)'s message of 15 Apr 1993 13:08:14 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com> Lines: 73 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy.... Overall Crime rate: It fell....just like that... Acquiring weapons in Norway: You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from the police and to be a member of a gun-club. The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or records of SERIOUS mental diseases. Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun -club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun. It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... Use of guns in crimes (in Norway): Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short time befor the crime. Use of knives: It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open in public -rigth ?? Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive': We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide to take action we DO. Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe.... (Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....) Individual vs masses: Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some extent.... Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others ?? The issue: I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation. We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one.... IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. But should it have to be like that ?? Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think it should be free to buy guns ?? Disclaim-her: I'm not a pacifist or anti gun. I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as neccities or toys. I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'.... This is not a .signature. It's marly a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no " 6399,7,"From: raman@translab.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Nntp-Posting-Host: translab.its.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 23 Distribution: usa In article <1qofeaINNn7h@shelley.u.washington.edu> gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia) writes: >just stopped putting money into it. I must have put at least $5000-$7000 >worth of repairs over it's lifetime. I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite >me. Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things area The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that. The result, which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the end of the period. That was their argument to prove that you don't go wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry. Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more in initial costs. Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra on repairs on the Taurus. That is ridiculous. Every time your car needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things. I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more in repair costs. -- ----------------->8 Cut here for Signature! 8<--------------------- Balaji Ramanathan, | Institute of Transportation Studies, | I don't believe in luck! University of California, Irvine. | I RELY on it!! " 6400,16,"From: diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 19 >A few comments on the ATF's botched handling of this case: >Dan S. And another one: Hasn't enyone heard of a leader's recon? This is when the leader of the assult goes and looks at the objective to see if anything has changed that would affect the mission. Even the Freshman cadets here in ROTCland know about them. Mostly because they know it as the part where they lie on the cold ground for an hour or so, but they've heard about it. Maybe the ATF should have hired out to the local ROTC guys! -- Andrew Diederich diederic@spot.colorado.edu These opinions are only mine on alternate Tuesdays. " 6401,1,"From: xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) Subject: more on radiosity Nntp-Posting-Host: zirkel.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Keywords: radiosity Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write: |> |> |> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. |> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute |> I finished it. |> |> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) |> to finish it. Are you using the traditional radiosity method, progressive refinement, or something else in your package? If you need to project patches on the hemi-cube surfaces, what technique are you using? Do you have hardware to facilitate the projection? |> |> In the meantime you may have a look at the file |> Radiosity_code.tar.Z |> located at |> compute1.cc.ncsu.edu What are the guest username and password for this ftp site? |> |> (there are some other locations; have a look at archie to get the nearest) |> |> Hope that'll help. |> |> Yours |> |> Stephan |> Thanks, Stephan. Josephine " 6402,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Method employed by the Armenians in 'Genocide of the Muslim People'. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 28 Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 133 (first paragraph) ""In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some, mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6403,0,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 37 In article <30121@ursa.bear.com>, halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >> >>He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam. >>One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the >>existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that >>Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient >>number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue >>is his status at the time the crime was committed. > I'll also add that it is impossible to actually tell when one _rejects_ god. Therefore, you choose to punish only those who _talk_ about it. > >-jim halat " 6404,13,"From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita) Subject: Re: ""Choleric"" and The Great NT/NF Semantic War. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 6 Also remember that most people map the sanguine/choleric/melencholic/phlegmatic division onto the extraversion and neuroticism dimensions (Like Eysenck) and that the MBTI does not deal with neuroticism (Costa & McCrae). Frank Fujita " 6405,8,"From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) says: >Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled: >: In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: >: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: > >: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] > >The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of >nowhere, you can eat them. And they're rather tasty. > Fuel's a bit cheaper, too. > Per gallon (bushel) perhaps. Unfortunately they eat the same amount every day no matter how much you ride them. And if you don't fuel them they die. On an annual basis, I spend much less on bike stuff than Amy the Wonder Wife does on horse stuff. She has two horses, I've got umm, lesseee, 11 bikes. I ride constantly, she rides four or five times a week. Even if you count insurance and the cost of the garage I built, I'm getting off cheaper than she is. And having more fun (IMHO). > > -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. " 6406,0,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Lines: 29 Robert Knowles writes: >> >>My my, there _are_ a few atheists with time on their hands. :) >> >>OK, first I apologize. I didn't bother reading the FAQ first and so fired an >>imprecise flame. That was inexcusable. >> >How about the nickname Bake ""Flamethrower"" Timmons? Sure, but Robert ""Koresh-Fetesh"" (sic) Knowles seems good, too. :) > >You weren't at the Koresh compound around noon today by any chance, were you? > >Remember, Koresh ""dried"" for your sins. > >And pass that beef jerky. Umm Umm. Though I wasn't there, at least I can rely on you now to keep me posted on what what he's doing. Have you any other fetishes besides those for beef jerky and David Koresh? -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) " 6407,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 17 In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: >Clayton Cramer writes: >#Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >#and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >#homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >#male population. > >Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing >to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more >willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly >promiscious)? > Oh yeah, and men just haaaaate to brag about ""how many woman they've had."" Ryan " 6408,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Gun Talk -- Legislative Update for States Keywords: gun talk, ila Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >IOWA: All firearm related bills are dead. Senate File 303 >dealing with off-duty police officers carrying concealed remains >viable. The *POWER* of the word processor and a stamp at work. The fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than nine miles from any constituent doesn't hurt, either. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 6409,13,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 27 In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: >> >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. > >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures >why attending a ""corn festival"". We pumped her stomach and obtained >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. >After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as >""acute corn intoxication."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin??? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 6410,17,"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 22 In article <1483500353@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis > > >Dear Josh > >I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions. > >Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers. > >1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards >identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S. >citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are >just trying to mislead the reader ? I think he is trying to mislead people. In cases where race information is sought, it is completely voluntary (the census possibly excepted). -anwar " 6411,14,"From: daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing/temporary orbit Organization: NSPC Lines: 46 In article , pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes: |> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes: |> |> >The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These |> >are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a |> >three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the |> >earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to |> >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow |> >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without |> >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The |> >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan |> >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for |> >deceleration. |> |> |> I should probably re-post this with another title, so that |> the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical |> use of ""temporary orbits..."" |> |> Another possible temporary orbit: |> |> -- |> Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. |> pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man |> |> If you are really interested in these orbits and how they are obtained you should try and find the following paper: Hiroshi Yamakawa, Jun'ichiro Kawaguchi, Nobuaki Ishii, and Hiroki Matsuo, ""A Numerical Study of Gravitational Capture Orbit in the Earth-Moon System,"" AAS-92-186, AAS/AIAA Spaceflight Mechanics Meeting, Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1992. The references included in this paper are quite interesting also and include several that are specific to the HITEN mission itself. |--------------------------------- ******** -------------------------| | * _!!!!_ * | | Steven Davis * / \ \ * | | daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov * () * | | * \>_db_ until...and more Saturn retailers are built(like 2 in the same city), : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : ...most medium and large cities have...a small handful of Saturn dealers now Sacramento has two Saturn dealerships. : Mihir Shah Ralph Bean hprnd.rose.hp.com " 6413,11,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Cripple Chip Lines: 19 How about this: The TelCo has your Clipper key. The TelCo has your intended partner's key, if he is using one. Whenever you call, the message gets decrypted and reencrypted wihtout y key exchange. I know it's a stupid system, but for the feds, it'd be great. The point of this isn;t to take over the crypto market, BTW. Clinton doen not want people to have any sort of crypto at all (just like Busch). But he needs some support for the ""technology initiative"" garbage he's pushing (industrial policy stuff) and a computer hip designed by the gov't is just the thing. Who's going to thing about the (literal) Billions of Dollars it took for a government agency to design? -watkins@earth.eecs.uic.edu " 6414,8,"From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) Subject: Re: Solar battery chargers -- any good? Nntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr16.061736.8785@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> robert@Xenon.Stanf ord.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes: >I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any >guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them >with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a >person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use >it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)? > > -- Robert Kennedy I have a cheap solar charger that I keep in my car. I purchased it via some mail order catalog when the 4 year old battery in my Oldsmobile would run down during Summer when I was riding my bike more than driving my car. Knowing I'd be selling the car in a year or so, I purchased the charger. Believe it or not, the thing worked. The battery held a charge and energetically started the car, many times after 4 or 5 weeks of just sitting. Eventually I had to purchase a new battery anyway because the Winter sun wasn't strong enough due to its low angle. I think I paid $29 or $30 for the charger. There are more powerful, more expensive ones, but I purchased the cheapest one I could find. I've never used it on the bike because I have an E-Z Charger on it and keep it plugged in all the time the bike is garaged. Arnie Skurow " 6415,2,"From: dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek A. Piasecki) Subject: Ami Pro 3.0 and PCTools compress?!? Doesn't like being moved? Keywords: Ami Pro 3.0 PCTools compress Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 24 Has anyone had problems with Ami Pro 3.0 after running PCTools (v7.1) compress? I have not corrupted data due to having caches other than PC-Cache running, so that is not it. The first time I try to run Ami Pro after loading windows, it loads, but causes (I think it was a) segmentation fault in AMIPRO.EXE right before it finishes, with all times after that only managing to get to the logo box that first pops up when it begins loading, and then causes a general protection fault in module AMIPROUI.DLL at 0002:1147. I have not been able to fix this problem except by reinstalling Ami Pro. This has happened twice, with both times being after having ran compress on my hard drive. BTW, I am not running stacker or any other disk compression programs, and if you don't already know, PCTools compress is actually a defragger, despite it's name. My system is a 386-40MHz, with 16MB of RAM and a NEC (OEM) hard drive, etc, but that shouldn't make a difference. PLEASE email me as I can't keep up with the newsgroup, and it will cut down on net traffic anyways. Thanks. -Derek dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu " 6416,1,"From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Subject: CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: Navy SciViz/VR Seminar Article-I.D.: oasys.32850 Expires: 30 Apr 93 04:00:00 GMT Reply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 65 CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick. " 6417,13,"From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman) Subject: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu I need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican which upset me. I saw this doctor for a problem with recurring pain. He suggested medication and a course of treatment, and told me that I need to call him 7 days after I begin the medication so that he may monitor its effectiveness, as well as my general health. I did exactly as he asked, and made the call (reaching his secretary). I explained to her that I was following up at the doctor's request, and that I was worried because the pain episodes were becoming more frequent and the medication did not seem effective. The doctor called me back, and his first words were, ""Whatever you want, you'd better make it quick. I'm very busy and don't have time to chit- chat with you!"" I told him I was simply following his instructions to call on the 7th day to status him, and that I was feeling worse. I then asked if perhaps there was a better time for us to talk when he had more time. He responded, ""Just spit it out now because no time is a good time."" (Said in a raised voice.) I started to feel upset and tried to explain quickly what was going on with my condition but my nervousness interfered with my choice of words and I kind of stuttered and then said ""well, never mind"" and he said he'll talk to various colleagues about other medications and he'll call me some other time. This doctor called me that evening and said because I didn't express myself well, he was confused about what I wanted. At this point I was pretty upset and I told him (in an amazingly polite voice considering how angry I felt) that his earlier manner had hurt my feelings. He told me that he just doesn't have time to ""rap with patients"" and thought that was what I wanted. I told him that to assume I was calling to ""rap"" was insulting, and said again that I was just following through on his orders. He responded that he resented the implication that he felt I was making that he was not interested in learning about what his patients have to say about their condition status. He then gave me this apology: ""I am sorry that there was a miscommunication and you mistakenly thought I was insulting. I am not trying to insult you but I am not that knowledgeable about pain, and I don't have a lot of time to deal with that."" He then told me to call him the next day for further instructions on how do deal with my pain and medication. I am still upset and have not yet called. My questions: (1) Should I continue to have this doctor manage my care? (2) Since I am in pain off and on, I realize that this may cause me to be more anxietous so am I perhaps over-reacting or overly sensitive? If this doctor refers me to his colleague who knows more about the type of pain I have, he still wants me to status him on my condition but now I am afraid to call him. --Marlena " 6418,12,"From: mtrek@netcom.com (Chuck L. Peterson) Subject: 40MHZ Oscilloscope FOR SALE Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 11 I'm giving up hardware design and am selling my Oscilloscope: BK Precision Model 1541B 40 MHZ Dual-Trace Barely Used $450 firm (Fry's sells it for $589+tax) Prefer people in Silicon Valley, so I don't have to ship it. mtrek@netcom.com " 6419,5,"From: greg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gregory Lehman) Subject: Looking for drawing packages Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada. Lines: 24 Greetings. I am developing an application that allows a *user* to interactively create/edit/view a visual ""model"" (i.e. topology) of their network, and I was wondering if anyone knew of any builder tools that exist to simplify this task. In the past I have used Visual Edge's UIM/X product to develop other GUIs, so I am familiar with UIMSs in general. The topology will support objects and connecting links. Once the topology is created, I want to provide the user with capabilities to support grouping, zooming, etc. I am looking for some form of a higher abstraction other than X drawing routines to accomplish this. Specifically, the zooming and grouping aspects may prove difficult, and certainly time consuming, if I have to ""roll my own"". Suggestions? -greg greg@software.mitel.com " 6420,10,"From: LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Laurie Marshall) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: cms.cc.wayne.edu In article <1r1chb$5l2@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) writes: >Suggestions: Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-?? > Andreychuck-Borchevsy-?? vs. Detroit checking line > Toronto's checking line vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots) > Well, I'm a Wings fan and I think the FIRST thing that you should do is to get the opponent's line combinations correct before you try to match up anyone with them. There is no Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert line, except for maybe on a powerplay. These three players usually play on three different lines. Which would mean that Toronto's checking line would have to pull a triple shift. The Wings' lines usually look like this: Gallant-Yzerman-Ciccarelli Kozlov-Fedorov-Drake Kennedy-Burr-Probert Ysebaert-Primeau-Sheppard Oh by the way: Start praying! : ) Laurie Marshall Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan Go Wings!!!!! " 6421,0,"From: qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) Subject: Re: free moral agency Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 26 In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.000406.10984@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) writes: > >>>So while Faith itself is a Gift, obedience is what makes Faith possible. >>What makes obeying different from believing? > I am still wondering how it is that I am to be obedient, when I have >no idea to whom I am to be obedient! It is all written in _The_Wholly_Babble:_the_Users_Guide_to_Invisible_ _Pink_Unicorns_. To be granted faith in invisible pink unicorns, you must read the Babble, and obey what is written in it. To obey what is written in the Babble, you must believe that doing so is the way to be granted faith in invisible pink unicorns. To believe that obeying what is written in the Babble leads to believing in invisible pink unicorns, you must, essentially, believe in invisible pink unicorns. This bit of circular reasoning begs the question: What makes obeying different from believing? -- qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated. " 6422,8,"From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: pepper.ncd.com In-reply-to: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu's message of 15 Apr 93 20:51:02 GMT >Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco >to Seattle? And how much might it cost? I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all. Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel bill... _MelloN_ -- mellon@ncd.com uunet!lupine!mellon Member of the League for Programming Freedom. To find out how software patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net " 6423,6,"From: df456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Tsao) Subject: 486DX33, 4mRAM, 64kCACHE, 130mHD ->$1,298 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu VESA local bus motherboard, 4MB RAM, 64K cache, 1.2 & 1.44 Floppy, 130 MB Hard Drive, IDE controller (2HD&2FD) 2S/1P/1G Local Bus 1MB SVGA Video Card, 14"" SVGA Monitor (.28dpi) Mini Tower, 101-key Keyboard David Tsao, cstsao@sam.cs.olemiss.edu 601-234-0969 or Benjamin Chen 714-257-1138 " 6424,16,"From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) Subject: FFL&gunsmithing questions Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 8 I have a few questions I'd like to ask; First,How would someone(me)be able to get a dealers license and second,besides dear old departed gramp's,where would I find a good place to learn gunsmithing. all replies appreciated! John " 6425,2,"From: wdwink01@fsrz1.rz.uni-passau.de (WINKELHAKE OLAF) Subject: Re: WANTED: Info on Asymetrix/Toolbook Organization: University of Passau - Germany Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc5.rz.uni-passau.de In article <1993Apr19.065354.14002@prl.philips.nl> dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) writes: >Does anyone know the phone and fax number of the Asymetrix >Corporation. I am also interested in their e-mail address. >I would also like to know what the current status of their product Toolbook >is. I received the last update 1.5 about 1.5 year ago. Are their any new >developments or is Toolbook slowly dying? >Regards, >Rob de Winter. >-- >*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** >*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** >*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** >*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** Rob, their e-mail adress is support@asymetrix.com I've heard V.2.0 is in beta. have a look at bitserv.list.toolb-l - which is a toolbook list. Regards, Olaf Winkelhake " 6426,5,"From: ianhogg@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ian J. Hogg) Subject: Re: How do I find my AppContext? Keywords: Context, Xt, motif, application Nntp-Posting-Host: milli.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 16 In article <1qvatv$9ic@pandora.sdsu.edu> masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) writes: > > >Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? >I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, >whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use >to give me this value? > You can get the ApplicationContext associated with a widget by calling XtWidgetToApplicationContext. -- =============================================================================== Ian Hogg ianhogg@cs.umn.edu (612) 424-6332 " 6427,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Mr. Salah, why are you such a homicidal racist? Do you feel this same hatred towards Christans, or is it only Jews? Are you from a family of racists? Did you learn this racism in your home? Or are you a self-made bigot? How does one become such a racist? I wonder what you think your racism will accomplish. Are you under the impression that your racism will help bring peace in the mid- east? I would like to know your thoughts on this. " 6428,19,"Subject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s. From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) Distribution: world Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 16 Apr 93 18:57:20 GMTLines: 45 Lines: 45 In dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu writes: > In <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes: > > >I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior > >from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're- > >The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought > >that Catholics behaved better than this. > > Please do not stoop to the > >level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think > >that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud, > >insulting and overbearingly self-righteous. > > (Pleading mode on) > > Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop > making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't > believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a ""creation scientist""! I > don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! > > If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling > out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you > compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern > Baptists, you would think that they were different religions! > [Sarcasm on] Be sure we pick on the ""correct groups"" here. ""Bible thumpers"", ""fundamentalists"", and Southern Baptists *deserve* our hasty generalizations and prejudicial statements. Just don't pick on the Presbyterians and the Methodists! [Sarcasm off] > Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the > same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals! > > (Pleading mode off.) > > God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories...... > -- > ""Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq > nyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er > nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."" > --Yvan Jregzhyyre > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research > dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu " 6429,6,"From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds) Subject: Headphones for sale Keywords: headphones Organization: Stanford University, California, USA Lines: 9 I have two pairs of headphones I'd like to sell. These are excellent, and both in great condition: Denon AH-D350 JVC HA-D590 Any reasonable offer accepted. Alexander Hinds (415) 497-3719 " 6430,18,"From: s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) Subject: How many $$ beibg spent at Waco by BATF ?? Organization: Fannie Mae Distribution: na Lines: 18 Hi, Wonder how much money is being spent at Waco by BATF ? Are we paying because BATF messed up and have made this a prestige issue ?? Girish -- Girish Kumthekar Unix Technical Support E mail address : s5ugxk@fnma.com " 6431,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 43 |What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of |proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car |cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access |to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the |time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every |day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I |see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a |revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple |of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a |disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang |gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing |taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target |and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are |are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most |state cops are. I don't know where you are originally from David but you live |in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news |and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here |than there. However, don't forget that the police in Chicago can carry just about anything they want except for the Glock, which is not approved for carry (Guess they figure all cops are like the Police Chief of Winnetka, who happened to let off a stray round of 9mm. This is the same anti-gun police chief that wanted full-auto Uzis for his patrol cars...). Perhaps in the judgement of the majority of Chicago's finest, a close-to- 100% reliable weapon like a revolver is preferable to a 99.99% reliable automatic. I note that in Germany, where certainly the 9mm semi-auto handgun is king, some of the more elite police types want revolvers. I don't think the issue is cost, because Chicago police certainly make on the order of at least $40K/year. Your presumption of ""disadvantage"" I think is not borne out by the experiences of New York City's cops; there the cops usually come out on top with their standard .38 Spl revolvers. I've seen S&Ws, Rugers and Beretta 9mms in addition to the revolvers carried by Chicago cops.... in the past, I've seen .45 M1911s; others have seen Browning Hi-Powers... |Jason " 6432,12,"Subject: PACE MODEM From: mora@verdi.cineca.it (Stefano Mora) Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi.eng.unipr.it Lines: 19 Hi, I've got a PACE MODEM , Series Four 2400s ( made in England by PACE Micro Technology ) with a broken power supply . So I'd like to know : - the voltage and current values of the original power supply PS1001. - the pinout of the power supply connector. - the pinout of the USER PORT and how to use it. Many thanks in advance to all the people help me. Please post the reply also to my e-mail.......... +--------------------------------------------------+ | | | Sender: Stefano Mora | | eMail : mora@verdi.eng.unipr.it | | | +--------------------------------------------------+ " 6433,1,"From: ccraig@nmt.edu (Catherine Craig) Subject: Re: Trying to view POV files..... Organization: New Mexico Tech Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr11.132604.13400@ornl.gov> ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) writes: > >I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY. I have the Diamond >SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_). So far I can convert them to >jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color. > >I'm looking for some way to convert and/or view them in 24 bit. > > >Just want to see the darn things in real color... > >Thanks, > >Jim Nobles > The best program I've seen for viewing such files is VPIC. You'll want version 5.9 or later. (6.0x is current.) It allows you to view in 15 and 24 bit modes. It really is QUITE nice. Now, for a return question: Do you run Windows? If so, what are the dates on your drivers? The newest ones *I* can find are from around 4-??-92!! My problem is they conflict with Star Trek: After Dark, and other things as well. I'm willing to bet that it's the drivers, and NOT the programs. Anyone out there have info on newer SS24 (NOT X) drivers for windows or OS/2? Thanks, Justin " 6434,7,"From: maynard@convex.com (Mark Maynard) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Nntp-Posting-Host: trojan.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA Distribution: rec.autos X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 22 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: > >>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. >>gibbonsa@sfu.ca > > This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? > Chintan Amin Sounds more like an Opel GT. Neat cars, fun to drive. Sold through Buick from 196? through 1973 (if I remember correctly). I believe it was in '72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts were not interchangeable with the older models. Parts are thus much harder to come by for the later models. Parts in general are not too difficult to find. At one time JC Whitney carried some stuff including a brand new (not remfg) long block. Either a GT or a Kharman Ghia (hmm that spelling looks hosed) will be my next project. Mark " 6435,16,"From: allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Lines: 34 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production would have to be local. There are not all that many people who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would pay through the nose for it. Good point you make. However, a zip gun, by definition, is a crude, homemade gun--certainly not something capable of sustained, accurate fire, but it would be useful as a means of getting a normal gun. Recall the tiny, single-shot pistols made by the Allies during World War II for use by partisans. They were essentially well-made zipguns, incapable of effective fire beyond a few feet. But they were useful as a means of killing German soldiers for their guns. Also note that the crowd-pleasin' favorite, the Sten gun, was specifically designed to require as little machine work as possible. The point's been made here that one could make a Sten clone with steel tubing, hand tools and a welder. I still think that while the point is good, I think there's a difference between marijuana and firearms, in that quality marijuana can be grown locally; there's no need to import the stuff. If guns are banned, I think the demand for ""real"" guns will be sufficient to make smuggling economically feasible, thus rendering a ban moot. In any case, the result would be the same--people who aren't criminals won't have firearms, and ""bad guys"" will continue to have access to them, one way or another. And I don't see that as a necessary situation. -- Allan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813 " 6436,12,"From: ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran) Subject: decoupling caps - onboard Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto Lines: 10 (posted for a friend) hello there, I would like to know if any one had any experience with having on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design. any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers are appreciated. rs " 6437,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Dislocated Shoulder Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr9.181944.5353@e2big.mko.dec.com> steve@caboom.cbm.dec.com (Steve Katz) writes: > >Recently I managed to dislocate my shoulder while >sking. The injury also seems to have damaged the nerves >in my arm. I was wondering if someone could point me towards >some literature that would give me some background into >these types of injuries. Please respond by EMAIL if possible. > Your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve injuries. Probably it was your brachial plexus, so look that up. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6438,9,"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Lines: 26 Well, as long as folks are sharing their esteemed wisdom, Li'l Karnak sez: AL West AL East NL West NL East 1) Chicago 1) Toronto 1) Atlanta 1) St. Louis 2) Texas 2) New York 2) Cincinnati 2) Montreal 3) Minnesota 3) Baltimore 3) Houston 3) New York 4) Oakland 4) Boston 4) Los Angeles 4) Philadelphia 5) Seattle 5) Detroit 5) San Diego 5) Pittsburgh 6) Kansas City 6) Milwaukee 6) San Fran. 6) Chicago 7) California 7) Cleveland 7) Colorado 7) Florida Details to follow later. Pick it apart as you like. Also, if anyone is still taking entries for prediction pools/contests, could you snag mine and add it to the list? Thanks. I'm just glad it's opening day; makes up a little bit for the gloom/doom weather patterns here. Lundy, -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence " 6439,2,"From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) Subject: Re: Panasonic KX-P1091i Driver? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 13 In <1993Apr16.040946.26896@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> brzyckmj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike) writes: >Does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for Windows for the >Panasonic KX-P1091i 9-pin dot matrix printer? I've been told that Panasonic has uploaded some to Compu$erve, but I don't have a CIS account. I just use the Epson FX-80 driver myself, and it comes out very pretty (if very slowly) on my 1080i. -- Carl Fink carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET ""Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence"" -- John Adams " 6440,3,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: 80386 and 80486: What's the difference? Lines: 34 In article , joedal@dfi.aau.dk (Lars Joedal) says: > >Except from clock frequency, what are the differences between the >various types of 386 and 486 processors? >The following is a list with what I know (or perhaps only what I >think I know!). Can anybody extend & correct? > > >80386: True 32 bit processor. > (cache?) No cache, also called 386DX. >80386SX: Emulates 80386 with a 16 bit bus. It has the same internals as the 386, is a real 32-bit processor, just has 16 bit hookup to the outside world. >80486: True 32 bit processor. > Internal mathematical coprocessor (Correct?) Yes, optimized 387 internal. > Internal cache (Correct? How big?) Yes, 8K. > (extended instruction set in any way?) Yes, but only a few instructions, nothing noteworthy. >80486SX: Probably sorta like 80486... 486 with no coprocessor. >80486DX: Probably sorta like 80386... Nope. Just another name for the 486. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank Racis - FWR100@psuvm.psu.edu - fwr@eclu.psu.edu Computers are useless; they can only give answers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for my programs"" -WJBC " 6441,18,"From: ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar) Subject: Re: Supply Side-revenue Distribution: na Lines: 22 In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: > > The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level > ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a not-inconsiderable achievement. While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in SocSec taxes, which were *raised* a considerable amount, at the same time that income taxes were cut. If you look at income tax revenue alone, it fell after after the cuts began, and didn't recover for several years. By then, record deficits were well entrenched. > > Chew on that awhile. *crunch, crunch* steve soar " 6442,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: ? (was Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: >Of course, if at some later time we think that the death penalty >>*is* cruel or unusual, it will be outlawed. But at the present, >>most people don't seem to think this way. >*This* from the same fellow who speaks of an ""objective"" or ""natural"" >morality. I suppose that if the majority decides slavery is OK, then >it is no longer immoral? I did not claim that our system was objective. keith " 6443,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says: >>>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake> >>>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. > >>just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems >>to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need > >I couldnt agree more. That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too. > >I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors. I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know). > >I still get caught off guard every now and then. > > >Maybe I didnt word it right the first time. What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances). I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story) ok. I can agree to this, because, as we have both proved, what is ideally SUPPOSED to happen, isn't always. And even though i'm rearely the one doing the passing, i don't see where it makes you stupid, but i agree, that if you think you are SAFE, because the other guy is SUPPOSED to have been paying attention, then yes, you are just as dumb as the other(maybe dumber?) hasta DREW " 6444,18,"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Lines: 94 Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds Washington, DC -- The energy tax and subsidized energy-efficiency measures supported by President Clinton and Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary are based on faulty assumptions, a new study from the Cato Institute points out. According to Jerry Taylor, Cato's director of natural resource studies, we are not running out of sources of energy. The world now has almost 10 times the proven oil reserves it had in 1950 and twice the reserves of 1970. Proven reserves of coal and natural gas have increased just as dramatically. When standards of living, population densities, and industrial structures are controlled for, the United States is no less energy efficient than Japan and more energy efficient than many of the Group of Seven nations. Energy independence provides little protection against domestic oil price shocks because the energy economy is global. Moreover, since the cost of oil represents only about 2 percent of gross national product, even large increases in the price of oil would have little impact on the overall U.S. economy. Market economies are, on average, 2.75 times more energy efficient per $1,000 of GNP than are centrally planned economies. Utilities' subsidized energy-efficiency measurs, known as demand-side management programs, encourage free riders, overuse of competing resource inputs, an competitive inequities. Furthermore, DSM programs do not reduce demand. Taylor concludes that government-mandated energy conservation imposes unnecessary costs on consumers and wastes, not conserves, energy; that subsidizing energy-conservation technologies will stymie, not advance, gains in energy conservation; and that central control over the lifeblood of modern society--energy--would transfer tremendous power to the state at the expense of the individual. ""Energy Conservation and Efficiency: The Case Against Coercion"" is no. 189 in the Policy Analysis series published by the Cato Institute, an independent public policy research organization in Washington, DC. Available from: Cato Institute 224 Second Street SE Washington, DC 20003 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cato Institute Founded in 1977, the Cato Institute is a public policy research foundation dedicated to broadening the parameters of policy debate to allow consideration of more options that are consistent with the traditional American principles of limited government, individual liberty, and peace. To that end, the Institute strives to achieve greater involvement of the intelligent, concerned lay public in questions of policy and the proper role of government. The Institute is named for Cato's Letters, libertarian pamphlets that were widely read in the American Colonies in the early 18th century and played a major role in laying the philosophical foundation of the American Revolution. Despite the achievement of the nation's Founders, today virtually no aspect of life is free from government encroachment. A pervasive intolerance for individual rights is shown by government's arbitrary intrusions into private economic transactions and its disregard for civil liberties. To counter that trend the Cato Institute undertakes an extensive publications program that addresses the complete spectrum of policy issues. Books, monographs, and shorter studies are commissioned to examine the federal budget, Social Security, regulation, military spending, international trade, and myriad other issues. Major policy conferences are held throughout the year, from which papers are published thrice yearly in the Cato Journal. In order to maintain its independence, the Cato Institute accepts no government funding. Contributions are received from foundations, corporations, and individuals, and other revenue is generated from the sale of publications. The Institute is a nonprofit, tax-exempt, educational foundation under Section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code. The Cato Institute 224 Second Street S.E. Washington, DC 20003 " 6445,17,"From: benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) Subject: Re: The Israeli Press Nntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 41 bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: ... >for your information on Israel. Since I read both American media >and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody >who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about >Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on. Of course you never read Arab media, I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough) and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either a -9 or -10, American leading newspapers and TV news range from -6 to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis) The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from 0 to -5 (Egyptian) to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since they are doing nothing. > As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they >are. Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media >here in America. But they still report events about which people >here know nothing. I choose to form my opinions about Israel and >the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American >who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report >on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy. the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9, while that of the average American would be the same if they do not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and -8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers. so you are not better off. " 6446,15,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Was Jesus Black? Organization: FL Lines: 31 In article shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon) writes: >The people who post to this particular newsgroup are either too cowardly, <...more accusations about a worldwide conspiracy against blacks.> Since Jesus was born in the Middle East, then I expect his human features to be similar to Middle Easterners at that point in time. And since the camera wasn't invented yet we can only guess what he looked like. For example, with all the dinosaur bones we're digging up we still don't know if they were yellow-polka-dotted, or purplish-orange 8-). Likewise, I don't think anybody has a picture of Jesus (is there ? 8-) ) So our current image of Jesus is our best guess. Okay. So let's assume that Jesus is black. Would that make you follow His techings ? Cause if you follow His teachings, skin color becomes a moot point, anyway. What counts more in your life ? Your faith in Jesus or His skin color (as a human) ? In the interest of historical accuracy, however, since Jesus was from Israel wouldn't His skin color be like any other Jew ? i.e. fair-skinned ? Although probably heavily tanned from the desert sun ? Experts in this area speak up !!! cause I'm not. 8-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 6447,13,"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 20 Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized example), and perhaps other uses. These electric fields change with location and time in a large organism. Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances caused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not. Studying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred years old, but not a popular activity. Perhaps, except in the case of a few tissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the investigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed. There are some hints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding the healing of broken bones, but not understood why. Bioelectricity has a long association with mysticism. Ideas such as Frankenstein reanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as when Volta invented the battery. I personally don't care to revert to supernatural cause to explain things we don't yet understand. " 6448,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Playoff Pool (IMPORTANT) Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Lines: 15 I got back from my trip to discover that my email spool file got blown away. I am missing all the playoff pool entries sent between April 5 and April 17. It looks like about 200 entries got lost. *Sigh*. Therefore, I would like to ask each person that sent me a team to resend it ASAP. I am relying on your honesty to not make changes after the deadline today. Thanks in advance, and I apologize for the problem. -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 6449,17,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >through private contributions on Federal land"". Your hate-mongering >article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content >and social value. Down the toilet it goes..... > And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things concerning Israel. Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to recognize the statement that these ""private funds"" were all tax exmpt. In otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And finalyy, how does ""Federal land"" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money to a foreign entity? That ""Federal land"" and tax money could have been used to commerate Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans. " 6450,5,"From: lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi) Subject: System file in /tmp Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: zanian.cs.buffalo.edu What is the directory .X11-unix for in /tmp? When I start x, it is created by the system. This directory wasn't created by root, and it contains an empty file (X0) that is owned by me. -- | .-, ###|For a lot of .au music: ftp sounds.sdsu.edu | / / __ , _ ###|then cat file.au > /dev/audio | \_>/ >_/ (_/\_/<>_ |UB library catalog:telnet bison.acsu.buffalo.edu |_ 14261 _|(When in doubt ask: xarchie, xgopher, or xwais.) " 6451,15,"From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 15 mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival > of Easter may possibly have some historical association with > some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know, > no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of ""pagan > goddess"" by celebrating Easter. That argument would be more compelling if it were not for the Ishtar eggs and Ishtar bunnies. Why mix pagan fertility symbols from the worship of the pagan goddess of fertility with Biblical belief? What would really be lost if all of you were to just drop the word ""Easter"" and replace all such occurances with ""Resurrection Sunday""? Would you not show up for services if they were called ""Resurrection Sunday Services"" rather than ""Easter Services""? " 6452,11,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu In article <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: [I wrote:] >>The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and >>tell people, you are likely to go to jail. >Well, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell this is completely >and utterly untrue. >The U.S. does NOT have an official secrets act. We do have laws that >will punish you for revealing what classified information you learned >in your capacity as a government official, contractor, etc, and we >have laws that prohibit stealing such information. However, if they >sell you the chip, I can't see that they can make reverse engineering >it and revealing the details illegal. In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is _automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you are then not allowed to read your own paper. A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. Don't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some court cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be comforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it imprisoned them. -- John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) " 6453,10,"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes: > The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets > to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would > it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets? > > Dean Money > dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Here is my traditional experience with tickets, playoffs and otherwise, at the Civic Arena. Scalping is illegal but nonetheless present outside the Arena. Best strategy, given that you don't mind missing the Anthem (which is OK if B.E. Taylor decides to come back ever again :) ) is to wait until 7:40 or 7:45, when the game is rolling; the scalpers are at this point desperate to sell and will reduce to near or at face value to get rid of their tickets. Playoffs are a little different in that good seats will go early on; what's left at 7:45 may be nosebleed material (D, E sections). Others can add on their opinions as well. Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University PENGUINS 6 DEVILS 3 -- Pens lead series 1 game to none " 6454,15,"From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 36 In article , conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: > > > I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere > man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking: what distinguishes ""true"" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person. But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the Branch Davidian ""cult"" from the Presbyterian ""church""? Doctrinal differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as an answer. -- Scott at Brandeis ""But God demonstrates His ""The Lord bless you, and keep you; own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you, while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you; Christ died for us."" the Lord lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace."" -- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB] [There have been some attempts to characterize ""cult"". Most commonly it uses characteristics involving high pressure, brainwashing techniques, etc. But some people characterize it by doctrinal error. In the end I'm afraid it becomes a term with no precise meaning that's used primarily to dismiss groups as not worthy of serious consideration. That doesn't mean that there aren't groups that do highly irresponsible things and have serious doctrinal errors. But past discussions have not suggested to me that ""cult"" is a very helpful term. --clh] " 6455,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu Summary: Lousy idea. -*---- Cross-posted and with followups directed to talk.politics.theory. -*---- In article <79700@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes, > but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes > which are the units of genetics. > > We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people > with harmful memes. ... In other words, we should jail people who say the wrong things. In this advocacy, we can see a truly ugly meme. Does Mark Robert Thorson advocate jailing himself? Russell " 6456,13,"From: kturner@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Kathleen J Turner) Subject: Mystery Illness with eye problems Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 29 A friend has the following symptoms which have occurred periodically every few months for the last 3 years. An episode begins with extreme tiredness followed by: 1. traveling joint pains and stiffness affecting mostly the elbows, knees, and hips. 2. generalized muscle pains 3. tinnitus and a feeling of pressure in her ears 4. severe sweating occuring both at night and during the day 5. hemorrhaging in both eyes. Her opthamologist calls it peripheral retinal hemorhages and says it looks similar to diabetic retinopathy. (She isn't diabetic--they checked. 6. distorted color vision and distorted vision in general (telephone poles do not appear to be straight) 7. loss of peripheral vision. Many tests have been run and all are normal except for something called unidentified bright objects found on a MRI of her brain. The only thing that seems to alleviate one of these episodes is prednisone. At times she had been on 60 mg per day. Whenever she gets down to 10-15 mg the symptoms become acute again. She is quite concerned because the retinal hemorrhages are becoming worse with each episode and her vision is suffering. None of the docs she has seen have any idea what this condition is or what can be done to stop it. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Kathy Turner " 6457,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: Living Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr05.172836.36759@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes: >In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, C70A000 writes:>|> >|> ... I sprained my right ankle once and kept riding, ... >When I broke my right leg in two places ... I had knee surgery while I was in the Navy back in 77. The doctors put me in a cast from ass-to-ankle. My only method of transportaion was a DOHC 450 Honda at the time. I found that by sliding back on the seat I could use my heel (did I mention it was my left leg?) to operate the shift. I would hook the end of the lever with my heel and lift my entire leg for up- shifts and just drop my leg on the lever for the down-shifts. Forget nutral, took WAY too much finesse for the leg! The crutches were bungee- corded to the right side of the bike with the ""top"" resting on the passenger peg and the right turnsignal sticking through the ""hole"" in the crutches. Every other day when I rode the 10 miles to Physical Therapy (tourture sessions) the doc would give me hell about riding a bike much less riding in my condition. Didn't stop me tho! B-P BTW. This is the same bike I assembled in my second floor barracks room and rode down the stairs when it was completed! --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======-------- Dr. Speed Suzuki GS850G DoD #8177 " 6458,7,"From: James Edward Burns Subject: Re: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together! X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 00:07:01 GMT Organization: ARCO Long Beach Inc. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d15 Lines: 14 In article <1qvgg3INNl0r@phantom.gatech.edu> Graham E. Thomas, grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu writes: > Alright, beat this automobile sighting. I can top that one. Friday afternoon 4-16-93 I look out my window in Long Beach CA. What do I see but the new Ferrari. I looks like a mix between the ragtop testarossa (sp?) and the batman car. It seems Ferrari had their Annual dinner at the place downstairs. Sweet car. J.B. " 6459,3,"From: brentw@netcom.com (Brent C. Williams) Subject: Re: Colorado Jumbo 250 for Gateway 2000? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 59 pd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes: >I've just installed a new Colorado Jumbo 250 tape backup unit from >Gateway, and I have a couple of complaints with it. I don't know how >common or serious these problems may be. I would appreciate some >feedback from others who have used this system. (BTW, This is on a >4DX2-66V tower system.) I have a similar configuration: Colorado 250mb on 66 DX/2 tower. >The problems are: > o Firstly, Gateway shipped me only 120 Mb tapes, even though the > drive is a 250 Mb unit. When I called to complain, they only > said: ""That's all we carry,"" and ""With compression, you can > fit 250 Mb on one tape."" Maybe so, but then why did I pay > extra for the large capacity tape drive? You got suckered in the same way I did. Silly me, believing that the ""250"" logo on the front meant actual carrying capacity. The people who do this sort of thing for a living call it ""marketing."" Lawyers who prosecute it call it ""fraud."" Perhaps we can have a bunch of other duped buyers march on their corporate headquarters. > o I have about 230 Mb of data on my C: drive. I choose the > space-optimizing compression scheme and started a full backup. > The software estimated it would take about 22 minutes. It > took 4 1/2 hours. Does this sound about right? This is a bit long. My system takes about 45 minutes to do the same thing. Usually 4.5 hours, particularly if the tape is grinding away the whole time means that your block size for the write is too small. Is there any way to change the block size or write buffer size so it's bigger? > o During the backup, about a dozen files came up with ""access > denied"" errors. Most of these were in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM > (COMM.DRV, KEYBOARD.DRV, SHELL.DLL, etc.), but also > C:\WINDOWS\PROGMAN.EXE and a couple of files in the C:\TAPE > directory. Anyone else had this happen? This is because the files are opened by DOS. The files in the TAPE directory are likely the executable file or the configuration file for the tape system. I would recommend running the backup from DOS so it will make a complete backup of the TAPE directory. >Thanks for any and all feedback on this system. I'd also appreciate >hearing of good sources for blank tape cartridges, preferably 250 Mb >size. The 250mb cartridges won't do you any good since the drive won't write 250mb of physical data on the tape. >Thanks. >-pd -- -brent williams (brentw@netcom.com) san jose, california " 6460,9,"From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) Subject: Re: WFAN Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") writes: >Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do >not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio >staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and >down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len >Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia >so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just >wondering. The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia. The signal might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York feel ""obligated"" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day. WIP took two of your best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. 610 WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia. If I'm not mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation? -Rob p.s the only nice thing about the FAN is that they talk sports all night. hopefully 610 will begin to do that somewhat soon " 6461,4,"From: mlobbia@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Kaneda) Subject: SUMMARY: ZyXEL Strings Keywords: ZTerm, FirstClass, Telefinder strings Lines: 90 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu I write: >I recently got a ZyXEL U-1496E modem. It's great, but I'm still having >some problems figuring out what strings to use in what applications. >I basically need strings for Z-term, FirstClass client, and Telefinder >client. I've been able to get FirstClass and Z-term working by using >another modem's settings in FirstClass and copying them for Z-term. >However, it still has problems - Z-term, for example, will list 'ERROR' >the first time I try dialing after starting the problem. If I cancel and >try again, it works fine. Telefinder is even worse - I can't get it to >even wake up the modem. So, if anyone uses a ZyXEL for any of these >programs, I'd greatly appreciate you sending me the setup strings you use >Thanks in advance! yoshio@CS.UCLA.EDU writes: >For zterm, I initially did the following: >atz4 >at&d0 >at&w0 >Then I set my init string to atz0. >That's it! RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU (Rod Smith) writes: >I can't help you with FirstClass or Telefinder, but I've been using ZTerm and a >ZyXEL for close to two weeks now. Here's what I did: > >Once in ZTerm, set hardware handshaking on and the bps rate to 57,600. (You've >probably already done this.) Then I typed: > >at&d0 >at&w > >The first line sets the modem to ignore the DTR line (necessary for hardware >handshaking with most, though not all, Mac hardware handshaking cables). The >second stores this setting in non-volatile memory in the modem, so it's the >default when the modem starts. In the modem preferences dialog, I have the >modem initialization string set to ""at&z0^M"", which just insures that the >stored setting is used (useful if starting ZTerm after using something like the >fax software or MacWoof, which change the settings in other ways). >Alternatively, you could leave the factory default the way it is and just set >the ZTerm initialization string to ""at&d0^M"", which would accomplish the same >thing IF the modem is always on before you start ZTerm, and IF other programs >don't modify the settings. Or ""at&z0&d0^M"" would work even if other programs >modify the modem's settings. I do it the way I do because I sometimes forget >to turn on the modem before launching ZTerm, and this way I'm assured of having >the correct DTR handling when the modem's powered up. After comparing the above strings with my AT commands reference guide, I came up with: ATZ0L2N2X5&D0S11=50^M This is entered in the 'Initialize' box on the 'Modem Preferences' in Zterm. Quick summary of each commmand: Z0 - Reset modem to User Profile 0. L2 - Speaker volume at 2 (fairly quiet) N2 - Ring volume at 2 (fairly quiet) X5 - Display connect info according to setting 5 (see manual) &D0 - Assume DTR (computer) is always on S11=50 - Dial speed at 50 (as fast as ZyXEL can handle) In FirstClass, I used this same string, with the addition of S0=0 right before the S11 command, in the setup box. This disables the auto-answer function of the modem for FirstClass. I based my modem setting on the Supra 14.4FAX, and just changed the above mentioned string. In Telefinder, I based my setting on the Zoom V42 - HH setting. I changed the 'Modem Initialization' string to the same one I used for FirstClass, and everything seems to work fine. Sorry it took so long to get this summary out. If someone wants to forward this to the /info-mac/reports directory at sumex-aim, it might save other newbie ZyXEL users like myself the trouble of setting up their strings, and also save the net some redundant messages. If anyone else has something to add, feel free. Marcus mlobbia@ucsd.edu -- /// Marcus Lobbia /// \\\ mlobbia@sdcc13.ucsd.edu \\\ " 6462,1,"From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 21 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In article <1993Apr6.011605.909@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes: > >Why didn't you create 8 grey-level images, and display them for >1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128... time slices? By '8 grey level images' you mean 8 items of 1bit images? It does work(!), but it doesn't work if you have more than 1bit in your screen and if the screen intensity is non-linear. With 2 bit per pixel; there could be 1*c_1 + 4*c_2 timing, this gives 16 levels, but they are linear if screen intensity is linear. With 1*c_1 + 2*c_2 it works, but we have to find the best compinations -- there's 10 levels, but 16 choises; best 10 must be chosen. Different compinations for the same level, varies a bit, but the levels keeps their order. Readers should verify what I wrote... :-) Juhana Kouhia " 6463,2,"From: ldr@mv.mv.com (Lee Rothstein) Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Keywords: ms-windows Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 24 To get hierarchical icon groups in MS-Windows use Norton Desktop for Windows. MS Windows in not mature. It's lousy. But its supposed to be lousy. It's goal is to be ubiquitous not good. MS-Windows is the course for the masses in IT Infrastructure 102. (DOS = 102, CP/M = 101.) Unix was the course for the cogniscenti in IT Infrastructure 101. Together they prove that there is good effect of good IT, and there is good effect of ubiquitous IT. What we need, now is both at a significiantly higher level of function. POSIX + DCE + CORBA + ????? ? See the problem? NT may be IT Infrastructure 103, but it will also be IT Monopoly 102. (101 was IBM.) We have a conundrum, gentlepeople. What are we going to do about it? dubious- lee -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ <> Lee D. Rothstein <> VeriTech <> 7 Merrymeeting Drive <> <> Merrimack, NH 03054-2934 <> 603-424-2900 <> Fax: 603-424-8549 <> <> Information Technology Verification & Leadership <> " 6464,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: OB-GYN residency Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 30 In article <1r12bv$55e@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu (Donald Mackie) writes: > >FMGs who are not citizens are, like all aliens, in a difficult >situation. Only citizens get to vote here, so non-citizens are of >little or no interest to legislators. Also, the non-citizen may well >be in the middle of processing for resident alien status. There is a >stron sense that rocking the boat (eg. suing a residency program) >will delay the granting of that status, perhaps for ever. > One should be aware that foreign doctors admitted for training are ineligible to apply for resident alien status. In order to get the green card they have to return to their country and apply at the embassy there. Of course, many somehow get around this problem. Often it is by agreeing to practice in a town with a need and then the congressman from that district tacks a rider onto a bill saying ""Dr. X will be allowed to have permanent residency in the US."" A lot of bills in congress have such riders attached to them. Marrying a US citizen is the most common, although now they are even cracking down on that and trying to tell US citizens they must follow their spouse back to the Phillipines, or whereever. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6465,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine... Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu >I have had my Q700 running with a 66.666 MHz osc for a few months. I have a >number of SCSI devices connected (Quantum LP52, Maxtor 213, Toshiba MK156F via >Emulex adapter, Pioneer DRM-600) and have had no trouble. Is this being done with the motherboard's SCSI interface? If this is possible then a bit of experimenting with just plain old clock oscillators may be in order. Give us some more details please. The Mad Clock Chipper in Seattle " 6466,11,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 40 In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: > >> methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' >> Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict >> controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration >> of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug >> dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the >> approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground >> economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who >> live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' > >And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the >Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the >civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist >- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's >another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the >communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is >(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course, >explaining them how much better the situation is now... > >In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and >fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already >too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been >violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of >this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad... > I'm definitely going to write my Congressman, and nobody's ever going to make me respect a law that violates my freedom of speech, and if the feds try to enforce this law on me, I will protect my freedoms, with force if it ever comes to that. (Hopefully, it won't) Doug Holland -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Doug Holland | Anyone who tries to take away my freedom | | holland@cs.colostate.edu | of speech will have to pry it from my | | PGP key available by E-mail | cold, dead lips!! | " 6467,11,"From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX Lines: 19 In article , grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes: > Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted > posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private > key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private > key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out > by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants, > and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use > of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for > non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key > but otherwises not encrypted. I like it. PGP would be useful, I guess. Although I don't have a working version for VMS yet... :-( > grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - David L. Cathey |INET: davidc@montagar.com Montagar Software Concepts |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX 75026-0772 |Fone: (214)-618-2117 " 6468,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Let's build software cryptophones for over the internet... Lines: 27 I forwarded an old posting about CELP speech compression: In case you'd like to experiment with CELP, you can obtain a software implementation of the 4800 bps Fed Std CELP coder for free: The U.S. DoD's Federal-Standard-1016 based 4800 bps code excited linear prediction voice coder version 3.2 (CELP 3.2) Fortran and C simulation source codes are now available for worldwide distribution at no charge (on DOS diskettes, but configured to compile on Sun SPARC stations) from: I've since been told that the source of this is on cygnus.com in /pub/celp.speech.tar.Z I'm not in a position to; any Sun tcp/ip gurus out there who think they can marry this with netfone by the end of the week? ;-) Seriously. I think someone with real net access and two sparcs could have this running by the end of the week. Then we ask the pgp guys to add a bytestream crypto filter. Two weeks at the most. [Damn, I wish I had my sparc back... I'm stuck on a 25mhz 386sx] Share and Enjoy! G PS You'll have to use archie to find netfone - I have a copy but no note of where it's from; author in the docs is kelvin@autodesk.com and he appears to be located in France " 6469,13,"Organization: University of Maine System From: Andrew T. Robinson Subject: Reasons for hospitals to join Internet? Lines: 8 What resources and services are available on Internet/BITNET which would be of interest to hospitals and other medical care providers? I'm interested in anything relelvant, including institutions and businesses of interest to the medical profession on Internet, special services such as online access to libraries or diagnostic information, etc. etc. Please reply directly to ANDY@MAINE.EDU " 6470,16,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 27 In article rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes: >In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. That's a revisionist account of what happened. Gritz was well-aware of Duke's presence on the ticket. Given that Gritz is not at all shy about associating and promoting other white supremacists (such as the Christian Identity movement or Willis Carto), whatever reasons Gritz had to leave the ticket had nothing to do with Duke's presence. >>So Gritz gave up his >>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >>Duke. > >I'd hardly call that ""giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US""; >the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, >it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. I believe Chip Berlet has a Populist Party newsletter from the time with a photo of Gritz happily shaking hands with Duke. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 6471,12,"From: tod@cco.caltech.edu (Tod Edward Kurt) Subject: data pods (10248B) for HP logic analyzer (1615A)?!? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Keywords: logic analyzer HP Anyone out there in netland have a spare data pod or two from an old 1615A Hewlett Packard logic analyzer? If you do, I'd like to buy it off of you. The pod's part number is 10248B. As a side note, anyone know of any good surplus dealer or other organization that would carry wayward logic analzer pods? Thanks a byte, Tod tod@cco.caltech.edu " 6472,16,"From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: cds709.cadence.com Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: >You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on >the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the >Constitution. This is REALLY STUPID nitpicking. Capitalization rules in the late 18th century were quite different from today, and what was posted matches current capitalization rules. We also don't make 's' look like 'f' and other such things done in the late seventeen hundreds. In the original Constitution, ""militia"", ""arms"", etc. were capitalized simply because they were nouns. This is also done currently in German. There is no special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized. The capitalization denotes no special emphasis. -Pete Zakel (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz) ARIES (Mar 21 - Apr 19) You are the pioneer type and hold most people in contempt. You are quick tempered, impatient, and scornful of advice. You are not very nice. " 6473,5,From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) Subject: Re: X protocol packet type Article-I.D.: cs.C52I2q.IFJ Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 7 In article <93091.144124DEP@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes: >Is there a way to identify an X-protocol packet under DECNET? Under >TCP/IP? > The information in the packets isn't necessarily distinctive -- you need to know that it is an X11 connection. -- Ethan 6474,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Gun Talk -- State legislative update Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: Gun Talk Lines: 208 April 19, 1993 As William O. Douglas noted, ""If a powerful sponsor is lacking, individual liberty withers -- in spite of glowing opinions and resounding constitutional phrases."" The legislative scorecard outlined below resulted from subcommittee, committee, and floor action. Many important victories, however, come from coordinating with legislators to ensure anti-gun/anti-hunting legislation is either amended favorably, rejected, or never voted. These quiet victories are no less impressive in protecting our fundamental civil liberties guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. **** Arizona - SB 1233, NRA-supported legislation concerning minors in criminal possession of firearms passed the House 36-18, is currently awaiting action by the Governor. Arkansas - HB 1447, Firearms Preemption Legislation was signed by the Governor making this the forty-first state to pass preemption. Preemption had passed twice in previous sessions only to be vetoed by then Gov. Bill Clinton. HB 1417, mandatory storage of firearms, amended and then killed in committee. Colorado - SB 42, mandating the storage of firearms with a trigger-lock, killed in committee. SB 104, prohibiting the sale of certain semi-auto firearms was killed in committee. SB 108, so-called Colorado Handgun Violence Prevention Act, including a provision for a 10-day waiting period, killed in committee. Connecticut - Substitute Bill No. 6372, imposing a 6% tax on all firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment killed in Environment Committee. Florida - A bill to require a 3-year license at a cost of $150 to own or possess semi-automatic firearms with a second degree felony provision (15 years in prison) died in committee along with numerous other anti-gun owner bills. No anti-gun legislation passed in Florida this year. Georgia - SB 12, supposed instant check with provision allowing for up to a 7-day ""waiting period,"" defeated in House Public Safety Committee and sent to Interim Study committee. Mandatory storage bill -- SB 247 -- was defeated 39-15 in the Senate. The same bill passed the upper-House 52-2 in 1992. Illinois - HB 90, prohibiting the sale, possession, manufacture, purchase, possession, or carrying of certain semi-auto firearms, was defeated in House Judiciary II Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 91, mandatory storage legislation, failed in House Judiciary Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 1550, repeals FOID and makes FTIP, point of sale check permanent, passed out of Judiciary Committee by a 10-4-2 vote. Presently on the calendar for third reading in the House. SB 40, mandatory storage bill, defeated in committee. SB 265, imposing a handgun excise tax, failed in Senate committee on Revenue's Subcommittee on Tax Increases. SB 272,imposing a tax on all persons engaged in the business of selling firearms, failed in Senate Revenue Committee's Subcommittee on Tax Increases. Indiana - SB 241, Statewide Firearms Preemption, passed in the Senate 34-16, and in the House 77-22. Twelve amendments were introduced on the House floor to SB 241. Among these amendments were a ban on certain semi-auto firearms, Mandatory Storage, Trigger-Lock, a ban on ""Saturday Night Specials"" (Similar to 1988 Maryland Bill), and Handgun Rationing (one handgun per month). All were defeated. [I read this morning (4/20) S.B. 241 was defeated -- lvc] Kansas - HB 2435, providing for a 72-hour waiting period on all firearms was defeated in committee. HB 2458, presently on the Governor's desk, HB 2459 and SB 243 and 266 all relating to victims' rights, are expected to be enacted into law. Maine - Funding for the Department of Fish and Wildlife 1993-94 budget, was restored following severe reductions in the Governor's proposed budget. LD 612, an anti-hunting bill which included reverse posting and 1000 yard safety zones, killed in committee. Maryland - SB 6-(Firearms Incendiary ammunition) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB 41 (Reckless Endangerment - Firearms - Sale or Transfer) died in committee on a 11-0 vote, SB 126 (Gun Control - ""Assault Weapons"") died in committee on 9-2 vote, SB 182 (Weapons -Free School Zone) was withdrawn, SB 185 (Weapons on School Property- Driver's License Suspension was withdrawn, SB 265 (""Assault Pistols"" - Sale, Purchase or Transport) died in committee on 8-3 vote, SB 328 (""Assault Pistols"" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB 682 (Baltimore City-Firearms-Rifles and Shotguns) died in committee on a 9-2 vote. HB 274 (Pistol and Revolver Dealers Licenses - compliance with zoning laws) was withdrawn, HB 366 (Regulated Firearms-sales and transfer) died on the Senate Floor, HB 374 (Handguns and ""assault weapons"" - Advertising for sale or transfer) died in committee, HB 384 (Handguns and ""Assault Weapons"" - Exhibitors) died in committee, HB 495 (""Assault Pistols"" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 14-9 vote, HB 496 (Gun Shows-Sale, Trade, or Transfer of regulated firearms) died in committee on a 19-6 vote, HB 601 (Firearms - Handguns - ""Assault Pistols"" - Handgun Roster Board) was withdrawn, HB 683 (Rifles and Shotguns - Registration) was withdrawn, HB 945 (Pistols and Revolvers - Private sales or transfers- required notice) died in committee, and HB 1128 Prince Georges County - Weapons - Free School Zone) was withdrawn. Mississippi - HB 141, closing a loophole allowing felons to possess firearms, passed both Houses and signed by the Governor. The bill codifies into law mechanism for certain felons to have their Second Amendment liberties reinstated. Nebraska - LB 83 and LB 225, mandatory trigger-lock bills, killed in committee. New Hampshire - H.B. 363, providing for reciprocity for concealed carry licenses passed. H.B. 671, increasing the term of a License to Carry Loaded Handguns passed. New Mexico - SB 762, imposing a 7-day ""waiting period,"" defeated in Senate committee (0-5) and then on floor of the Senate (15-24). HB 182, mandatory storage legislation, was killed by a vote of 1-8 in committee. HB 230, legislation safeguarding sportsmen in the field from harassment by animal rights extremists, signed into law by the Governor on March 30. New York - Seven-day waiting period was defeated in the City of Buffalo. Ban on certain semi-autos was defeated in Monroe County. The tax and fee bills to be imposed on guns and ammo were not included in the 1993-94 budget. SB 207, making pistol licenses provides for validity of pistol license throughout the state, passed Senate. Currently awaiting action in Assembly committee. North Dakota - HB 1484, granting victims compensation in certain circumstances, was signed into law by the Governor on April 8. Oregon - SB 334, banning firearms on school grounds and in court buildings, withdrawn as a result of gun owners opposition. Rhode Island - HB 5273, mandatory firearms storage legislation, defeated in committee by a vote of 8-5. HB 6347, an act prohibiting aliens from owning firearm; defeated by unanimous vote in committee. HB 5650, excepting NRA instructors from the firearms safety requirement, reported favorably. HB 5781, exempting persons with an Attorney General's permit from the 7-day waiting period, reported to the floor by a vote of 11-1. HB 6917, extending the term of a permit to carry from two years to three years, reported to the floor unanimously. Utah HB 290, reforming the state's concealed carry statute, passed out of House committee. SB 32, creating civil liability for so-called negligent storage of a firearm, and SB 33 creating the offense of ""reckless endangerment"" with a firearm, killed on Senate floor. Virginia: S.B. 336, and S.B. 803, requiring proof of state residence to obtain Virginia Driver's License passed. S.B. 804, which increases the penalty and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence for ""straw man"" purchases of multiple firearms passed. S.B. 858, allowing possession of ""sawed-off"" rifles and shotguns in compliance with federal law passed. S.B. 1054, making it a felony for first offense of carrying a concealed firearm without a license (which the NRA opposes until law-abiding citizens can acquire a concealed carry license for self-defense), was defeated. H.B. 1900, increasing the penalty for use of a firearm in committing a felony was passed. H.B. 2076, requiring proof of residence to obtain a driver's license passed. H.B. 2272, providing for a referendum on the imposition of a statewide three- day ""waiting period"" in handgun purchases was defeated. Washington: SB 5160, calling for waiting periods and licensing for all semi-automatic firearms, died in committee. West Virginia - S.C.R. 18, which calls for a study to control transfers of handguns and ""Assault Weapons"" was defeated in the Senate 24-10. Wisconsin - In a referendum up against all odds, the determined efforts of the Madison Area Citizens Against Crime paid off on April 6 when a nonbinding referendum banning the possession of handguns in Madison, Wisconsin, was defeated. Despite opposition to the ban -- aired largely by firearms owners at a series of public meetings on the issue -- the Common Council voted on February 17 to place the referendum on the ballot, allowing only seven weeks of campaigning to reverse public opinion on the controversial issue. An October 1992 poll conducted by the Wisconsin State Journal found 57% in support and 38% opposed, with 5% expressing no opinion. By election day, of the more than 56,000 voters who went to the polls, 51% cast ballots in opposition to the proposal while 49% voted to have the Madison Common Council enact such a ban. The campaign committee, spearheaded by the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement and NRA-ILA, relied on neighborhood canvassing, direct mail and radio/TV advertising to educate voters on the civil liberties implications raised by enforcement of the ban if the referendum was approved. Despite the surprising defeat, it is expected that the Madison initiative's chief proponent, Mayor Paul Soglin, will attempt to have the Common Council enact an ordinance banning handguns. Downloaded from GUN-TALK (703-719-6406) A service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action Washington, DC 20036 -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 6475,11,"From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: REVISED TECHNICAL SUMMARY OF CLIPPER CHIP Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 167 Here is a revised version of my summary which corrects some errors and provides some additional information and explanation. THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Dorothy Denning Revised, April 21, 1993 INTRODUCTION On April 16, the President announced a new initiative that will bring together the Federal Government and industry in a voluntary program to provide secure communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. At the heart of the plan is a new tamper-proof encryption chip called the ""Clipper Chip"" together with a split-key approach to escrowing keys. Two escrow agencies are used, and the key parts from both are needed to reconstruct a key. CHIP CONTENTS The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second. Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip The chips are programmed by Mykotronx, Inc., which calls them the ""MYK-78."" The silicon is supplied by VLSI Technology Inc. They are implemented in 1 micron technology and will initially sell for about $30 each in quantities of 10,000 or more. The price should drop as the technology is shrunk to .8 micron. ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method. Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after an authorized wiretap has been installed. The ciphertext E[M; K] is decrypted by the receiver's device using the session key: D[E[M; K]; K] = M . CHIP PROGRAMMING AND ESCROW All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information Facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at Mykotronx. At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80. To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent 2 takes the second disk. Thus each agent walks away knowing an 80-bit seed and the 80-bit key parts. However, the agent does not know the other 80 bits used to generate the keys or the other 80-bit key parts. The third disk is used to program the chips. After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional assurance that no information is left behind. The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2, and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to the escrow agencies. The escrow agencies have as yet to be determined, but they will not be the NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other law enforcement agency. One or both may be independent from the government. LAW ENFORCEMENT USE When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will be accomplished through a special black box decoder. CAPSTONE: THE NEXT GENERATION A successor to the Clipper Chip, called ""Capstone"" by the government and ""MYK-80"" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for delivery in June or July. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. This article is based on information provided by NSA, NIST, FBI, and Mykotronx. Permission to distribute this document is granted. " 6476,3,"From: david@ods.com (David Engel) Subject: Re: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Distribution: usa Lines: 17 sleeping_dragon (ong_mang@iastate.edu) wrote: : I'm looking to buy a 17"" monitor soon, and it seems that I can't decide what : monitor I should buy. I have a MAG 17S (this is a .25 dpi version and it using : a TRINITON tube) and a NANAO 560i in mind. Good luck finding an MX17S. When I was looking around back in December/January, Mag wasn't producing any because they couldn't get tubes from Sony. I asked when they expected to restart production as I was willing to wait a few months to get an MX17S but they said not any time soon. I wound up getting a T560i and am extremely happy with it. David -- David Engel Optical Data Systems, Inc. david@ods.com 1101 E. Arapaho Road (214) 234-6400 Richardson, TX 75081 " 6477,1,"From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: .SCF files, help needed Reply-To: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) Lines: 24 I've got an old demo disk that I need to view. It was made using RIX Softworks. The files on the two diskette set end with: .scf The demo was VGA resolution (256 colors), but I don't know the spatial resolution. First problem: When I try to run the demo, the screen has two black bars that cut across (horizontally) the screen, in the top third and bottom third of the screen. The bars are about 1-inch wide. Other than this, the demo (the animation part) seems to be running fine. Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf files. The system I am using: 486clone, Diamond Speedstar 24, Sony monitor. Any suggestions? Thank You, T. Castro tlc@cx5.com " 6478,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: X11R5 and Gateway2000 Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 25 In article <5914@daily-planet.concordia.ca> christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) writes: > >Hi, > I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure >X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, >I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my >graphics card and monitor. I have a 15"" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor >and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. >Thanks in advance. Didn't your operating system come with X? SysV usually does as far as I know. You'd do best to contact the people from whom you bought ths OS. If you're running Linux or something similar, good luck. :) > >Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca > > >Christy -- A voice of reason in the midst of LiberalNet. Mike Chapman, a higher lifeform trapped in a human body. AKA FourDee. Political Correctness is the tool of the mentally disadvantaged. ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 6479,5,"From: julia@netcom.com (Julia Miller) Subject: Posix Message Catalogs Keywords: Posix Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 17 Can someone tell me in 25 words or less how to compile posix message catalogs so that I can use them with catgets, catopen, etc. I know what the format for the catalogs is, but don't know how to compile them. Please reply to chas@blackwhite.com Thanks in advance, chas Black & White Software, Inc. | Leaders in Systems & Software Solutions 2155 S. Bascom Ave. Suite 210 | Contact Black & White for information on Campbell, CA 95008 | X Windows & OSF/Motif Software & Support (408) 369-7400 | OSF/Motif & MS-Windows GUI Builders (408) 369-7406 | Add on Widgets, Editors and Help Systems info@blackwhite.com | C++ and Ada Motif Bindings " 6480,2,"From: farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) Subject: Where to get ATI card video drivers/fonts? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA: 800-546-2010 Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: Where to get ATI card video drivers/fonts? Keywords: ati,windows Does anyone know where I can ftp or somehow else acquire the latest video drivers /fonts for an ATI SVGA adapter? The only floppy I have is for Windows 3.0. Does anyone know if ATI is still in business? Thanks! -- farley@access.digex.com Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 " 6481,17,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: Re: Go Hizbollah II! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: traver.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: |> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that |> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's |> holding to the security zone. |> |> Noam I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians. Basil " 6482,3,"From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds) Subject: Help with Magitronic 8 bit memory card needed! Organization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated. Lines: 16 Hi! I'm busy resurrecting some old machines (hey, they're cheap and they work :)) and would be grateful for any help with the following card - Magitronic - full length 8 bit memory only card. Has room for 8 rows of 256K dips for a total of 2MB RAM. Has an 8 position dip switch on it, presumably for addressing. Does any kind soul out there have any docs or drivers for this beast? I'd be disgustingly grateful. Thanks, Lee. (lee@tosspot.sv.com) " 6483,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: clipper chip --Bush did it Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching! Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 13 johng@ecs.comm.mot.com (John Gilbert) writes: >This must have been in the works for some time. The Bush administration must >have been working on it for quite a while. --Clinton simply took the credit (or >blame, depending on how you look at it). And the initiative for actual implementation. Clinton is not just an innocent bystander here - They didn't just slap his name on it without consulting him. What exactly is his extensive history of individual rights advocacy that people are assuming he really has nothing to do with this? He just went back on his pledge to cut the espionage budget, and is now asking for more money than even Bush wanted. -- I've left my body to science - and science is contesting the will. " 6484,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 39 In article lindae@netcom.com writes: > >My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most >people with dizziness can be cured. That's definitely not the >case. In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious >process that may or may not end up in a partial cure. > Be sure to say ""chronic"" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear. >To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation >thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this... >just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's >nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these problems are found, it is usually in all the newspapers. Until then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical problem may divert that energy from more productive things in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to make a career out of it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6485,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Article-I.D.: martha.1993Apr6.162820.19369 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 47 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote: >: That's all very well and good, but I was refering to all >: homocides, not just ones involving handguns (what is this fixation >: on death by shooting, as if it were somehow worse than death >: by stabbing?) > >What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate? What do you think gun >control advocates are saying: that if we get rid of all handguns we will >live in a homicide-free world? The relevance is that if you've got x homicides and reduce the number of gun homicides in that group, but x doesn't decrease by a significant amount, have you made an improvement, and is that improvement worth what you've paid? >The issue is guns, not baseball bats. Even a simpleton knows that >he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat... >certainly of outrunning a bat-wielding assailant. If a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun, is that any comfort to that tenth? >As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife >than a gun, thanks. I've faced a knife. And I was damn annoyed I didn't *have* a gun. All the statistics in the world didn't change the fact that *he* was interested in cutting *me*. >Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't >another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have >much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife >assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants). ""Anyone trained in self-defense."" Unarmed self-defense isn't for everyone. What's more, it requires substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm. It requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim, which is a primary problem with stun guns. You have to actually touch your assailant. Unless you're *very* good, a large, stronger assailant can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu " 6486,16,"From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: fishlab3.fsh.mtu.edu Organization: Help, my server's fallen, and can't get up (MTU) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 185 In article jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote: > In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu > (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: > >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms. Clearly > >and unequivocally, without infringement. > Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state. If last > part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said. The problem > I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the > amendment. The Second Amendment is: > A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security ^^^^^^^ Militia > of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear ^^^^^ State > arms, shall not be infringed. ^^^^ Arms You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the Constitution. > This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me. According > to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined > structure and follows nationally uniform regulations. Perhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!! James Madison, Federalist Paper 46: ""Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, 8 June 1789: ""The right of the people to keep and bear... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..."" Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (on the organization of the militia): ""Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year."" Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (speaking of standing armies): ""... if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^***** own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."" ***^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But *surely* Hamilton and Madison didn't mean the PEOPLE when they said ""people"", right? That's why the Amendment refers to ""the Right of the Militia""?... ;-) > Your average > 17-45 year old male does not fall into the definition. You're right, the Militia consists of ALL able bodied males (and probably females under current interpretation). > Therefore most > members of The Militia, the one the every gun advocate refers to, are > not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly The Amendment does nor refer to ""well organized"", it says ""well regulated"". I have some targets you may examine if you wish to check how _well regulated_ I am. > mentioned in the amendment. > If this amendment wanted to allow every member of The Militia to keep > and bear arms, why did it specificly mention a ""well organized militia"" > in the SAME SENTENCE as the right to keep and bear arms? Correct. That's why the Right is reserved to the People. And that was to insure the People could form a ""well regulated Militia"", not a ""well organized militia"". > It could be > argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last > part. If so, why was it include in the same atomic unit of written What do Atomic Units have to do with this argument? Any moron can set h_bar = C = 1... > instead of a separate sentence? Oh, I see what your question is; Why don't you read the federalist Papers?! James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the ""General Welfare"" clause): ""Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars."" But what does Madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd? He only wrote it. > The amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with > the security of a free state. The Federalist Paper's mention of a > well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects > the security of a free state. All these examples are actions of a > very organized force, not some John Q. Public with a gun. That's obviously because you've never actually *read* the Federalist Papers. > All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me is that the people's > right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed. That is > people have the right to join a well organized militia. This well > organized militia will, of course, provide training in how to use arms > and in basic military tactics. These training members of the militia > can keep and bear the arms. Can't read, huh? Show me where the document says ""well organized militia"". > Lastly, reading through the Federalist Paper's on well organized > militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias. > One reason stated is the protection from a standing army. These days > the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every > 17-45 year old male and female not in the armied forces. That is *exactly* why EVERY PERSON should be allowed to own *any* weapon currently in use in the armed forces. > Another > reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need > for a standing army. Well, the US Armied Forces have been a standing > army for more than half the history of the US. But the major reason is to protect against that very same army. > It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give > the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the > people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit > of an anachronism is this day and age. Maybe its time to re-think > how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately. Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: ""This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."" Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August 1789: ""What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."" So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy our Liberties and Rights. -- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- ""...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."" Thomas Jefferson, 1821 " 6487,10,"From: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Reply-To: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr6.142037.9246@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: |> |>In article <1993Apr6.044323.22829@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes: |>> |>>You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those |>>players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's |>>see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he |>>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that |>>Euro-blooded boy back!!! |>> |> |>Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America |>as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his |>North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. |> |>Gerald |> Uh, Gerald, I think he was joking... -lisa " 6488,7,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: US-Made M-B SUV Lines: 10 Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility vehicles in the US by 1997. They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000. Did anyone see a picture? Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new vehicle? Any details would be appreciated. Dick Meyer Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State " 6489,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: What are some good Suppliers of Chips? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 44 In article <1qihcl$9ri@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes: > > >anyone know of any good supplier's of chips, one that could have almost >any chip i need? I don't want to hunt down all the chips I may need so >it would be greatly appreciated if anyone knows of a good distributor >.. >thankyou > Paul, Unfortunately, there are not too many retail outlets that'll stock just about every chip made. The stuff they will stock are the ones that'll sell, like standard DRAM's, 80386's, 68000's, etc,etc. i.e. I cna't think of any 'one-stop-shopping' store. The closest you can get is to pick up a copy of Byte magazine or the Circuit Cellar, Popular Electronics, and the like and flip through them. Distributors like Wyle Electronics, Hamilton Avnet, Pioneer Electronics, etc, etc, don't normally deal with end-users like ourselves where we only a couple of everything...they only deal with people who buy by the hundreds or more. Each distributor represents and sells a variety of different non-competing manufacturers. What do I mean by this? Suppose ABC Electronics sells Intel 80386's. It's a pretty good bet that they won't be selling any of AMD's 386's, or vice-versa. They also can obtain just about *any* chip you want from a manufacturer they represent. Who knows? You might be lucky to be able to buy from one of them. But I'd be suprised if you do. ALso bear in mind that the 1 or 2 qty prices they will charge you will be *much* greater than what a mail order outlet will charge. My advice? If you're gonna be designing anything, try to stick with off-the-shelf stuff. You're going to get stuck if you use too many esoteric parts sooner or later. good luck, aaron " 6490,11,"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Lines: 35 In article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes: >Okay, let's suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered >Key system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system >from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in >chip and the government has the key to every phone call. >I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. > >What's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or >buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered >keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes It's very possible, even likely, that the serial number of the invididual chip is broadcast either in a standard encrypted format, so that all the big brother types need to do is listen to the traffic, get a court order (generally just by saying that they think you may be a crook) and go to it. r >to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the >secret key registered under my name isn't the right one. > >That leads me to conjecture that: > >1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys >that work for all the phones in the country. The part about >registering your keys is just bogus. > >or > >2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks >like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to >town. > >In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 " 6491,13,"From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) Subject: Re: Lyme vaccine Organization: College of Veterinary Medicine WSU X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 13 kathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote: > If you have time to type it in I'd love to have the reference for that > paper! thanks! Experimental Lyme Disease in Dogs Produces Arthritis and Persistant Infection, The Journal of Infectious Diseases, March 1993, 167:651-664 -- Jeff Parke also: jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet AOL: JeffParke Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994 Pullman, WA 99164-7012 " 6492,5,"From: bgendler@opus.starlab.CSc.COM (Bruce Gendler) Subject: X/GL widget translation problem Article-I.D.: opus.9304221524.AA05029 Organization: The Internet Lines: 14 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I am writing a custom widget to support the display of graphics and imagery. The user of the widget will be able to specify, when creating it, whether it is to operate in X or GL mode. I have set up translations and actions to handle mouse button presses. They work fine when the widget is in X mode. In GL mode they only work when the widget (my GL/X widget) is a child of a manager. Put another way, the translations do not work when the widget is configured in GL mode and is a child of a shell. Does anyone know why this is happening? Thanks in advance. Bruce Gendler bgendler@csc.com " 6493,15,"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 36 In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: > That argument would be more compelling if it were not for the >Ishtar eggs and Ishtar bunnies. Why mix pagan fertility symbols from the >worship of the pagan goddess of fertility with Biblical belief? What >would really be lost if all of you were to just drop the word ""Easter"" and >replace all such occurances with ""Resurrection Sunday""? Would you not >show up for services if they were called ""Resurrection Sunday Services"" >rather than ""Easter Services""? There is another way to view this. The True Celebration is Easter, the Resurrection of Our Lord. This has been true from the foundation of the world. Pagan practices are then either: 1. foreshadowings of the True Celebration of the Resurrection, in which dim light was shone forth so that people would recognize the full truth when it was manifested, OR 2. satanic counterfeits intended to deceive us so that we would not recognize the truth when it was manifested. I don't believe the second argument, because I believe in the power of the Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Incarnation, and our hope. Earlier or parallel ideas in other religions clearly are dim images of the truth of the Resurrection. As Paul states, we see through a glass darkly. So do others. It serves no purpose arguing about who has the darker or lighter glass. The foreshadowings are not perfect. So what? Our understnding of God is today imperfect, for we are not yet perfected. Theosis is not a gift such that WHAM, we're perfect. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com " 6494,9,"From: neuharth@hardy.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) Subject: Re: New Uniforms Article-I.D.: shelley.1pserkINNltg Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: >While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - >and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road >uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason >for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all >green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing >money to be made in sales of new merchandise. no kidding...just ask the White Sox... too bad, really... -John Neuharth neuharth@u.washington.edu " 6495,8,"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 83 In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: >Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't >have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: > >[...] Any stories on how you all learned? I'll tell you my story as an example of what *not* to do. Early in 1984 I took some riding lessons from my college roommate on his old Honda CB360T. He had taken the MSF beginner's course, so I actually learned *some* of what I needed to know to ride. I proceeded to buy a beat-up Honda CL350 for $400 and a $12 helmet and rode around wearing this and a cotton windbreaker. Then I decided to invest in a full-face helmet (first smart move). Sometime around then I also passed my road test. On May 4, 1984, I got caught in a rainstorm on my way home from a 4-mile trip. Entering the town where I lived (a rather urban suburb), I had to stop suddenly for a red light that I noticed too late, skidded the rear tire out, and was ejected face upward into the oncoming lane of traffic. Fortunately for me the oncoming traffic was also stopped for the same red light, otherwise I might have slid under a car and been killed. Now this is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I later took the Experienced Rider Course from the MSF and saw that earlier training could have helped me greatly. In your case the need is even greater since you have nobody to help you practice even the most basic stuff as I did. So my advice is to take the MSF beginner's course first thing. I wouldn't even buy a bike until you've taken the course, unless you happen to pick up a real good deal and can store it someplace until you're ready to use it. >1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have >to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too >ignorant to know I need to buy) While you're waiting to take the course (it might take a few weeks in DC, as I recall there were always waiting lists in Boston), could you save up some more money to start out right? Say $300 for riding gear, plus the cost bike, plus maybe $100 (guess) to a mechanic to make sure the machine is safe (assuming you economize by buying some old beat-up machine from a private individual), plus insurance, plus registration and licensing fees, plus the course, you're looking at maybe $600 not including the bike itself and a reserve for ongoing maintenance. >2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in >about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up >till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a >motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes >a difference) I pay about $100 insurance now (upstate NY) but it was closer to $200 in Boston (more urban) for decent insurance including substantial coverage for liability, which you want unless you plan always to be poor. I'd guess DC is more like Boston than like a rural area, ergo more expensive. >3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? There used to be annual buyer's guides in the usual motorcycle magazines; I found those helpful in getting an idea of what new or recent models might be available. You could probably look through past issues to size up what used bikes might be available. (My first bike was 13 years old when I bought it so I went on my friend's advice instead.) Also look at the bikes that you see people riding or that are parked on the street. I basically settled on my present bike by noticing that there were a lot of high-mileage BMW's running around and they were generally set up the way I wanted. Nothing wrong with talking to various dealers in your area or visiting showrooms. Dealers in the Boston area, at least when I was shopping, were very nice about letting you look around their showrooms and quoting prices for bikes that weren't the latest models (hence cheaper), although I ended up buying both bikes in private sales. -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) -- '80 BMW R65 DoD #0969 also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al. " 6496,7,"From: k8gj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Impreza, Altima, or What?? Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 14 A friend of mine is cnsidering buying a new car, and is considering the Subaru Impreza or the Nissan Altima right now. Which of these two cars would you recommend. We definately want an airbag and ABS, and room for tall people and long legs. If you have other suggestions for cars under $13K after dealing I'd be interested in you opinions as well. PLEASE send replies to sem1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu, no tthis address. THANKS! Scott " 6497,11,"From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 34 In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: >> Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. > >Hey, it's better than the status quo. > >I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school >scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and >cordless phone calls. > Really? Why are so you worried about high school kids ""getting their kicks"" with scanners, as compared to what the feds can do, and have done, to their targets? ""Better than the status quo"" isn't good enough, I'd say. The same technology could be implemented WITHOUT a back door open to the state. We all know about power and corruption. But we all know that abuse is something that only happens to the other guy. > >Amanda Walker >InterCon Systems Corporation > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 6498,14,"From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems Lines: 63 In article <93110.031905SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon writes: >In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) >says: >>It's conceivable that Luna will have a military purpose, it's possible >>that Luna will have a commercial purpose, but it's most likely that >>Luna will only have a scientific purpose for the next several hundred >>years at least. Therefore, Lunar bases should be predicated on funding >>levels little different from those found for Antarctic bases. Can you >>put a 200 person base on the Moon for $30 million a year? Even if you >>use grad students? > >You might be able to _run_ one for that; put it there, hardly. > >Why do you think at least a couple centuries before there will >be significant commerical activity on the Moon? Wishful thinking mostly. It's more likely that the Moon will never be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no materials we can't get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low grade fusion reactors. Exploring it would satisfy a curiosity itch, and it's position in the gravity well of Earth coupled with it's heat sink capacity could offer some military utility for ""high ground"" military weapons systems, but it holds very minute commercial value. If space travel becomes cheap enough, it might become a tourist attraction as Mt. Everest and the Antarctic have become, but that's a very minor activity in the global scope of things. Luna has an inconvienent gravity field. It's likely too low to prevent calcium loss, muscle atrophy, and long term genetic drift. Yet it's too high to do micro-G manufacturing. Space based colonies and factories that can be spun to any convienent value of G look much better. Luna has a modest vacuum and raw solar exposure two weeks a month, but orbital sites can have better vacuums and continous solar exposure. Luna offers a source of light element rocks that can serve as raw materials, heatsink, and shielding. The asteroids and comets offer sources of both light and heavy elements, and volatile compounds, and many are in less steep gravity wells so that less delta-v is required to reach them. We don't use 2/3rds of the Earth now, the seafloors, and we virtually ignore Antarctica, a whole continent. That's because we don't have to deal with those conditions in order to make a buck. Luna is a much more expensive place to visit, or to live and work. I think we'll use the easier places first. That pushes Lunar development back at least a few centuries, if not much longer. Luna's main short term value would be as a place for a farside radio astronomy observatory, shielded from the noisy Earth. Or as the site of a laser, particle beam, or linear accelerator weapons system for defending Earth, or bombarding it as the case may be. The first is unlikely because of the high cost for such a basic science instrument. The second is just as unlikely because conventional nukes are good enough, and the military would really rather see the Earth safe for conventional warfare again. There's little glory in watching from a bunker as machines fight each other over continental ranges. Little ultimate profit either. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | " 6499,14,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Blue Ribbon Panel Members Named News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 71 The following press release was distributed April 1 by NASA Headquarters. Space Station Redesign Advisory Members Named Along with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President Albert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the Space Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives from government and industry and academic experts from across the country to participate in an independent review of the redesign options being developed by NASA. ""I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this important review panel. America's future in science and technology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost attention and care,"" said Vest. ""We have assembled a diverse panel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate measures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical task."" The advisory committee is charged with independently assessing various redesign options of the space station presented by NASA's redesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve efficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space station international partners also are being asked to participate and will be named at a later date. The advisory committee will submit its recommendations in June. Advisory committee members named today include: Dr. Charles Vest Dr. Bobby Alford President, MIT Executive VP & Dean of Medicine Baylor College of Medicine Mr. Jay Chabrow Dr. Paul Chu President, JMR Associates Director, Texas Center for Superconductivity University of Houston Dr. Ed Crawley Dr. John Fabian Prof of Aero & Astro President & CEO MIT ANSER Maj. Gen. James Fain Dr. Edward Fort Deputy Chief of Staff for Chancellor Requirements; Headquarters North Carolina AT&T USAF Materials Command State University Dr. Mary Good Mr. Frederick Hauck Senior VP of Technology President, International Technical Allied Signal, Inc. Underwriters Dr. Lou Lanzerotti Mr. William Lilly Chair, Space Sciences National Academy of Public Board, National Research Administration Council Mr. Duane McRuer Dr. Brad Parkinson President Systems Technology Prof of Astro & Aero Stanford University Dr. Robert Seamans Dr. Lee Silver Former NASA Deputy Admin. W.M. Keck Foundation Professor for Resource Geology California Institute of Technology Dr. Albert ""Bud"" Wheelon Retired CEO Hughes Aircraft " 6500,18,"From: kme@node_17aa4.bnr.ca (Ken Michael Edwards) Subject: Re: Economic Stimulus or Pork? Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr2.201514.20021@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> |> In fact, no one has such a list. The Clinton package as presently proposed |> includes a variety of recommended spending areas and dollar amounts. It |> does not include a line-by-line list of every project that would be funded. |> (Congress may include such line items in the bill when it passes. |> Likewise, it may prohibit spending for specific projects as amendments to |> the bill. Such amendments, positive and negative, are often pointed to |> by those who propose a ""line item veto"" or ""enhanced recision"" power for |> the President.) |> |> Some of the $16 billion package is in the form of ""block grants"" to states |> and localities. This is why I asked to be 'enlightened'. You are making claims about what 'is' or 'is not' part of this program. But if the ""block grants"" go to states and cities, the mayors list is VERY relivent. |> |> I'd suggest contacting your local officials, reading a newspaper with |> good coverage of Congress (Washington Post, NY Times), or if you're |> serious about paying attention to these issues, get copies of Congressional |> Quarterly at your library or have your representative put you on the |> mailing list for the Congressional Record. (It's free.) But be prepared |> to invest more time in the effort than it takes to watch the evening |> news or read your local paper. Okay scarasm does deserve sacrasm, but I already contact my local officals, my congress rep., senators, Watch evening news, news programs, and C-SPAN. |> |> In addition to the cherry picking that went on with the Mayors' wish list, |> Congressional Republicans selected wish list projects from a variety of |> Federal agencies, based apparently upon how silly the names of the projects |> sounded. I'm not even sure if they bothered to correlate a potential |> expenditure of an agency in Clinton's bill with a potential project from |> the same agency, but it is clear that the effort was to make Clinton's |> potential expenditures appear to be linked to projects with absurd |> names. (Not to be taken seriously any more than equivalent tactics by |> Democrats would have been in the Reagan/Bush era.) The fact is that Primetime (TM of ABC) has had numberous reposts on such waste programs that already exist. Again, if we are truely intrested in eliminating the DEBT, we must REMOVE the DEFICIT, and do away with ALL PORK !!! |> |> I realize that it is tempting to believe that government is in the hands |> of clowns who are dishonest at best. But such simplistic analysis does |> little to advance the cause of public education. There have been several books written on gov. waste, network news programs from time to time devote segments to this, and there have been bills proposed that significantly reduces expenditures without touching external programs by changing the way 'congress does business' (and make it more efficent). True, blame is easy, but also is spending someone else's money. Clinton ran on a platform that he would '...not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these (his) programs'. He has proposed a program that is not specific, that counts on tax hikes to pay for. -- ====================================================================== Ken M. Edwards, Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC (919) 481-8476 email: cnc23a@bnr.ca Ham: N4ZBB All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president. ""You'd better call my dad...My mom's pretty busy."" - Chelsea Clinton " 6501,8,"From: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri) Subject: Saddle bags and helmets for sale... Originator: montasmm@nmtvs299 Nntp-Posting-Host: nmtvs299 Reply-To: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri) Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA Distribution: ba Lines: 28 I'm selling the following items... - a pair of hard saddle bags - easy installation - snap release feature with lock - black - brand is Krusures - two oshi full face helmets take all for $275 These are comming off of my bike that I'm selling, maybe you could use the whole thing, bike and accessories. 1983 Yamaha, vision 550 call Medi @ work (415) 940-2306 home (408) 744-1169 Thanks -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Medi Montaseri montasmm@ntmtv.com | | ...{ames.mcdcup}!ntmtv!montasmm | +-------------------------------------------------------+ " 6502,19,"From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: Gilligan's island, den of iniquity Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 21 beb@pt.com (Bruce Buck) writes: : In article <1993Apr13.011033.23123@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: : >: >> Gilligan = Sloth : >: >> Skipper = Anger : >: >> Thurston Howell III = Greed : >: >> Lovey Howell = Gluttony : >: >> Ginger = Lust : >: >> Professor = Pride : >: >> Mary Ann = Envy : > : >Assorted Monkeys= Secular Humanism : : Assorted Headhunters - Godless, Heathen Savagery : Russian Agent who looks like Gilligan - Godless Communism : Japanese Sailor - Godless Barbarism : Walter Pigeon - Godless Bird Turd : The Mosquitos (Bingo, Bango, Bongo, Irving) - Godless Rock'n'Roll : Harold Heckuba (Phil Silvers) - Hollywood Hedonism : John McGiver - Butterfly flicking : Tonga, the Fake Apeman - Deceit, Lust : Eva Grubb - Deceit, lust " 6503,5,"From: deloura@cs.unc.edu (Mark A. DeLoura) Subject: Looking for X Window Server Frequency-of-Operations Data Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: monet.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequency data X Server architecture Hello-- I'm currently designing the architecture of a chip which is intended to help speed up common operations on a windowing system such as X. A friend and I are designing the chip as the final course project for an advanced computer architecture course taught by Dr. Fred Brooks at UNC-Chapel Hill. While we feel that we've got a pretty solid design currently, we'd really like to get ahold of some frequency data from an X-Windows server so that we can make the most effective use of our bit budget. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find anything of this sort in the various X FAQs, or X manuals that I've seen. Does anyone have some type of frequency data, like how many Copy-rectangle operations vs draw-lines, and things of that sort? Or, barring that, a program that records requests to the server into a logfile that I can munge on myself? Any and all help would be very appreciated. Many thanks, ---Mark =============================================================================== Mark A. DeLoura deloura@cs.unc.edu U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill " 6504,9,"From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.160316.9170@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > >Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might >enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the >date indicated. They are largely out of order. much crap deleted >>3. Managers to be fired this year (1992) in chronological order: >>Fregosi, Showalter, Valentine, Riddoch > >Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to >stick, it seems). DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in baseball at 8-1 MY PREDICTION FOR 1993: Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL (don't flame me..flame the bum who thinks he got fired last year. PAY ATTENTION KIDDO!) " 6505,15,"From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver) Subject: Help Lines: 44 In a prior article, lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: > > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) > as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James > in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' If you agree that good works have a role somewhere, you will generally find yourself in one of two camps: (1) Faith + Works --> Salvation or (2) Faith --> Salvation + Works Either (1) works are required for salvation, or (2) faith will inevitably result in good works. I am also of the opinion that salvation is by faith alone, based on Ephesians 2 and Romans 3:21-31. I also conclude that James 2, when read in context, is teaching bullet (2) above. When James speaks of justification, I would claim that he is not speaking of God declaring the believing sinner innocent in His sight (Paul's use of the word). Instead he is speaking of the sinner's profession of faith being ""justified"" or ""proven"" by the display of good works. Also according to James 2, the abscence of such works is evidence for a ""dead"" or ""useless"" faith which fails to save. James 2 is not a problem for the doctrine of salvation by faith if it is teaching (2). Works would have their place, not as merit toward salvation, but as evidence of true faith. Regards, --- Dave Weaver | ""He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com| gain what he cannot lose."" - Jim Elliot (1949) [There are of course a number of other possibilities. The Reformers believed salvation --> faith --> works Some of us suspect that the three things are tied up together in such a way that no diagram of this form can do it justice. --clh] " 6506,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Sad day for hockey Article-I.D.: netnews.118520 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1pq50fINN15b@abyss.West.Sun.COM> dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) writes: >NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should >only be three penalties: > >1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your > body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. > >2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the > current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you > are thrown out of the game, and fined. > >3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot > is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. > >Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties >in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, >until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in >the act of shooting when the foul ocured. These new rule changes are great! However, I think that your rules are MUCH too complicated. How will the normal average fan be able to count how many fouls a player has? And then we would even have to remember the names of the players, in order to determine who drew the foul! And, of course, there will have to be new ""sub-positions"", like the power center who just sits in the slot until the (blue, of course) puck comes near him, and the ""shooting defenseman"" and the ""point defenseman"". Finally, we'll be able to keep stats on the best and the worst penalty-shot takers. Since almost everyone on the ice will be getting fouled, we'll be able to see Ulf Samuellson (sp?) and Tie Domi miss penalty shots like crazy. ;-) ;-) ;-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 " 6507,8,"From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) Subject: EC BHP limit vetoed Lines: 12 According to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few others have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP. The reason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a rare example of governmental wisdom. The limit has a five year moratorium on it, and ""specialist"" manufacturers will be exempt anyway. Any suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the market in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is the sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks. You heard it here first. Bill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust. " 6508,16,"From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu wrote: : You are loosing. : There is no question about it. : Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter : how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Care to show some *real* numbers instead of something HCI make up? I thought so, all ""foaming at the mouth"" shouting but nothing is ever said... : This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your : RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. Well, we'll just have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or are you quite satisified with living in your little fantasy? < SNIP > : cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you < SNIP > : The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against : you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Not true, it is ONLY those who are ignorant and are afraid to understand, accept, and deal with the real problems behind this violent society who are proposing gun control as a band-aid solution. May be I should refresh your memory with a quote from Prez. Clintion? ""It's the criminals, stupid!"" HEY, why is he cutting the budget for more prisons? May be someone need to remind him of what he promised...on second thought, why bother... : Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect : them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. : Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an : immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. Oooh, WACO II, coming to your living room soon... When was the last time you turned off your TV? Can't remember? I thought so... : Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions : are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will : be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Wait, I got it, this is a late April fool post, right? I didn't think ANYBODY is stupid enough to post something like this...good one guys, this group was getting boring without Holly and Susan. --Francis Chiu, Professional Student, Programmer, Tax Payer. " 6509,4,"From: mbuntan@staff.tc.umn.edu () Subject: Fax modem for the Mac Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 26 Hi all: Thanks to you all who have responded to my request for info on various kinds of fax modem. I'd like to ask a few more questions. 1. What are the advantages of buying a global village Teleport Gold over other cheaper brands like Supra, Zoom etc? 2. I heard that both Supra and Zoom use the same software. Why are there so many complaints about the incompatibility problems of Supra? What kind of incompatibility is it? 3. If I decided to buy the Teleport Gold, is there any possibility to add a voice option in the near future? 4. Has anyone heard of a possible voice option that Supra will offer this coming summer? 5. A person did mention a new AT&T modem. Is it getting good reviews from various Mac Magazines? 6. If I want the best, fastest, most economically sound and possible voice option, what fax modem should I buy? Sorry for posting so many questions, but I think they're necessary. I promise to repost any answers if they're not already posted by a responder. Thanks so much in advance. Regards, Thian. " 6510,3,From: k4bnc@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.a.siegel) Subject: Can't set COM4 Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: G2K Lines: 15 I have been unable to get COM 4 to work - diagnostic programs such as msd show nothing installed. I think the software options are OK - is there a known hardware conflict and/or workaround for this problemand CD ROM System is a G2K 486DX2/66 tower with ATI video card Ports are set as follows On board COMa = COM1 IRQ4 to external device Internal modem = COM 3 IRQ5 DFIO port card primary port = COM 2 IRQ3 mouse On board COM B = COM 4 IRQ 9 <--- DOES NOT WORK I have run this from a boot disk with only command.com to eliminate softwar Any suggestions before I call technical support? John Siegel k4bnc@cbnewsh.att.com jas@hrollie.hr.att.com 6511,13,"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1qmlgaINNjab@hp-col.col.hp.com>, cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: = =Jason Chen writes: => Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one => suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But => if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. = =---------- = =Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left =out the part about ""we all ate the same thing."" Changes things a bit, eh? Perhaps. Now, just what leads you to believe that it was MSG and not some other ingredient in the food that made you ill? =These people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its =(optional) ingredients. Try not to take it so personally. And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any evidence that that's the ingredient to which you reacted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. " 6512,1,"From: channui@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Chan-Nui) Subject: Re: Two pointing devices in one COM-port? Reply-To: channui@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 22 Bob Davis (sonny@trantor.harris-atd.com) wrote: : In article , wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) writes: : |> : |> Is there any way to connect two pointing devices to one serial : |> port? I haven't tried this but I believe they would interfere : |> with each other (?) even if only one at a time would be used. : Just get an A-B switch for RS232. Look in Computer Shopper. : They are available fairly cheap. They allow switching between two : serial devices on a single port. Unfortunately the poster wants to use an internal and an external modem so a switch isn't going to help them. If you aren't using your com ports for anything else, just define them on different com ports. Define your internal modem to be say, com1, and your external modem to be com3. You really shouldn't have to worry about interrupt conflicts since you won't be using both modems at the same time :). --- Christopher Chan-Nui | Investment in reliability will increase until it channui@austin.ibm.com | exceeds the probable cost of errors, or until someone #include | insists on getting some useful work done. " 6513,12,"From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In Texas (Well, Corpus Christi anyway) if you pick up the phone and dial 890 the phone company will read back the number to you. Try it. It might work. " 6514,12,"From: rkim@mars.uucp (Richard H.S. Kim) Subject: Need sources for HV capacitors. Article-I.D.: nic.1993Apr5.213718.4721 Distribution: usa Organization: Triacus Inc. Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.calstatela.edu Recently, my video monitor went dead, no picture, some low distorted sound. I didn't hear the tell-tale cracking that indicated HV at work, nor are the filaments at the far end of the tube glowing orange, just nothing. On examining the power board, I noticed the largest capacitor with a very bad bulge at the top. Naturally, I want to replace it, but I can't find any sources. The electrolytic capacitor is 330 mF at 250WV. It has radial leads, and is roughly 1 1/2 inches long, 1 1/8"" wide. The dimensions are important since the whole board fits in a metal cage, leaving little room. Living in the Los Angeles area, I've been to numerous stores (Dow Radio, All Electronics, ITC Elect, Sandy's, Yale Elect) with empty hands. Can anyone suggest sources for high-voltage capacitors? Mail order is fine, although I'd rather check out a store to compare the can. I'm going to try a video electronics store, hopefully they'll have HV caps. (By the way, the monitor is a ATARI SC1224, Goldstar circuitry, Masushita tube. Anyone else had problems?) Thanks in advance, Rich K. email> rkim@opus.calstatela.edu " 6515,4,"From: ivancich@eecs.umich.edu (Eric Ivancich) Subject: Re: 14"" monitors In-Reply-To: fredm@media.mit.edu's message of Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:39:45 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Department Distribution: na Lines: 37 In article <1993Mar31.203945.8757@news.media.mit.edu> fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin) writes: [part of posting removed] * the Sony CPD-1304 has better video circuitry than either of the other two monitors. It can display Apple 640x480, VGA 640x480, VGA 800x600 (though this has 56 Hz flicker), and Apple 832x624 (75 Hz refresh: no flicker at all). It might be able to display Apple's 1024x768, but I'm not sure about this, and the pixels would be real small anyway so it might not be that useful. Note that with either Sony monitor, you will need the proper adapter, which both connects the video signals properly, but also informs the Macintosh video hardware of which display mode to use. [part of posting removed] -- Fred Martin | fredm@media.mit.edu | (617) 253-7143 | 20 Ames St. Rm. E15-301 Epistemology and Learning Group, MIT Media Lab | Cambridge, MA 02139 USA I'm assuming that the cabling tells the Mac, at startup, what kind of monitor is connected. Now I think I've seen ads in popular Mac magazines for products (I'm not sure if it's just a monitor, just a video card, or a package of both) that allow you to change resolutions on the fly (w/o restarting the Mac). If you were to buy a 1304, would it be possible to switch back and forth between Apple 640x480 and Apple 832x624 without restarting the Mac? Is this strictly a hardware startup function, or can software intervene, or does the Mac hardware occasionally probe the cable setting and switch automatically? Thanks, Eric (ivancich@eecs.umich.edu) " 6516,4,"Subject: Re: Reseting LW IIg to factory defaults From: Robert Grapes Organization: Massey University X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:03:45 GMT X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 21 In article <1qpir1$762@slab.mtholyoke.edu> Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu writes: > I have a Laserwriter IIg that has disappeared completely from the > Network, i.e. it's name doesn't show up in any zone. (You can print > to it from it's serial interface, tho!) I have seen some discussion > here about changing the zone a IIg is in... including some PS code > that lets you change the zone. Is there maybe some PS code you can > use to have it go back to all its factory default settings? I have > a feeling that's what needed to heal ours. The following postscript works for LaserWriter IIg's with version 2 roms %! 0 serverdict begin exitserver << /FactoryDefaults true >> setsystemparams systemdict begin realtime 10000 add { dup realtime le { pop exit } if } loop quit Rob. " 6517,12,"Subject: Re: Looking for Electronics Dept Info in Austrailia From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) Organization: La Trobe University In-Reply-To: hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 00:38:00 GMT X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 20 In <1993Apr19.003800.18288@worak.kaist.ac.kr> hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr writes: > Hi Netters! > > I am looking for the list of universities in Austrailia, which has electronics department. > I am considering to spend a year for research in Austrailia about communication area.ýé I am interested in Mobile communication areas and spread spectrum communications etc. > But I don't have any information about Austrailian Universities. > Can anybody recommend a good university in coûßmmunic÷³ation area? > Any comments will be welcomed! > > Bye. > > Jaehyung Kim > Well, I honestly don't know if they are good, bad or indifferent, but there is an electronics dept here at La Trobe: La Trobe University, Bundoora VIC 3083 Australia Fax +613 471 0524 Chairman is Prof Ian White. Sorry, don't have an email address. Graham B " 6518,15,"From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Weirdness of Early Christians Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 76 I am a good Catholic boy. A convert no less, attracted by the rational tradition [Aquinas et al] and the emotional authenticity [in comp. with the faddishness of Anglicanism] to Roman Catholicism. I never had much time for the pope - or any other heirarchs - but I did, and do, believe in the sacremental system. I always felt quite happy to look down my nose at those such as John Emery [a few posts back] who had to engage in circuitous textual arguments to prove their faith, entirely oblivious to the fact that a dozen other faiths can do the same [with miracles too], and that since their arguments depend on the belief in the Bible as God's sole revelation, it was not very good logic to argue that the Bible proved God. No, I was happy to accept the CHURCH as God's revelation. It was the Church after all that existed before the Bible, the Church that choose [under grace of course] the canon of scripture. Protestant ludicrosity, I thought, was shown by Protestants breathtaking acceptance of Luther's right to reject a dozen or so books he disliked. But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body, totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable views about other human beings. now the question is this: were the first Christians just as weird, but we've got used to them, or did the pristine ""Fall of the Church"" happen within one generation. It certainly did'nt have to wait until the Triumph of the Church under Constantine. If so, wha does this say about God's promise to always support the Church. It's no use throwing the usual Protestant pieties about the Church not being an organization at me. It's a community or it is nothing, and it was the early communities that were weird. The institional church was a model of sanity by comparison. I would be interested in serious Catholic and Orthodox responses to this entirely serious issue. I'm not sure it is an issue for Protestants with their ""soul alone with Jesus"" approach, but for we who see the ""ecclesia"" as a ""koinoia"" over time and space, the weird early Christians are a problem. [This is an exaggeration of the Protestant view. Many Protestants have a strong appreciation for the role of the Church. ""The soul alone with God"" is certainly important for Protestants, but it's by no means the whole story. I have read the sort of history you talk about. As you point out, Protestants don't have quite the same problem you do, because we believe that the church had a Fall at some point. However Protestant mythology typically places the Fall around the time of Constantine (or more likely, regard it as happening in a sort of cumulative fashion, starting from Constantine but getting worse as the Pope accumulated power during the medieval period.) The consequences of having it earlier are somewhat worrisome even to us. Most Protestants accept the theological results of the early ecumenical councils, including such items as the Trinity and Incarnation. Indeed in the works of Reformers such as Luther and Calvin, you'll find Church Fathers such as Augustine quoted all the time. I think you'll find many Protestants resistant to the idea that the Early Church as a whole was ""wierd"". (There is an additional problem for Protestants that I don't much want to talk about in this context, since it's been looked at recently -- that's the question of whether one can really think of Augustine and other Fathers as being proto-Protestants. Their views on Mary, the authority of the Pope, etc, are not entirely congenial to Protestant thought.) One thing that somewhat worries me is a question of methodology. There are certainly plenty of wierd people in the early church. What concerns me is that they may be overrepresented in what we see. We see every Christian who courted martyrdom. But I think there's good reason to believe that most ordinary Christians were more prudent than that. We see the heroic virgins. But I think there's good reason to think that many Christians were happily married. I can't help suspecting that the early church had the same range of wierdos and sane people that we do now. I think there's also a certain level of ""revisionism"" active in history at the moment. I don't mean that they're manufacturing things out of whole cloth. But don't you think there might be a tendency to emphasize the novel? --clh] " 6519,12,"From: martinkm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kenneth michael Martin) Subject: PADS model of a 68hc11. Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 5 Has anyone done a model of the 52 pin version of the 68hc11? It doesn't seem to be too big a job, but if someone else has already done it ... many thanks Ken Martin " 6520,4,"From: gmich@is.morgan.com (George Michaels) Subject: NTSC and the Mac Nntp-Posting-Host: idt114 Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company Distribution: comp Lines: 21 A question in general about displaying NTSC through a Mac. If I understand correctly, the Video Spigot can display NTSC in a small window as well as capture the data in Quicktime format. However, if I want to use a larger window, what are my options? Perhaps I misunderstood the Video Spigot review... Also, I am not interested in Quicktime. I would merely like to use my Mac as a television from time to time. I have a nice Sony 1430 monitor, and I would like to use it as a second TV when my wife is watching sitcoms on our regular TV. Perhaps some of the video cards for the Mac accept NTSC input? I have a IIsi, and I am willing to buy a NuBus adapter. Thanks in advance for any help, George Micahels " 6521,3,"From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) Subject: Re: PC keyboard Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key Article-I.D.: longs.pm860605.143.734052152 Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: hercules.lance.colostate.edu In article wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen) writes: >From: wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen) >Subject: PC keyboard >Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard >Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:23:35 GMT >Does anyone know of a software that can exchange caps lock and ctrl >keys on the AT-style keyboard? I'm looking for a memory resident >program that can work with other programs, rather than a feature in a >specific program (I am aware of a shareware program ""back and forth"" >that provides this feature within that program). Thanks. A program in the archive keymap00.zip on simtel and mirror sites in the msdos/keyboard directory will do this. It is written in assembler and it best if you have a compiler to create a new keyboard map. It is possible, however, to use a binary editor to edit the provided compiled keyboard driver if you do not have a compiler. I used hexed100.zip, also available on simtel. Simply serach for the codes 00 01 02 03 to locate the biginning of the ""normal"" keyboard map. Then swap the codes for the keys that you wish to swap. See the keyboard directory of simtel for programs that report the scancode for each key to you (some bios programs also have this info). Good luck, - Pete ____________________________________________________________________________ | Peter J. McKinney pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu | | Electrohydrodynamic Laboratory | | Fluid Mechanics and Wind Engineering Program | | Civil Engineering Department | | Colorado State University | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6522,2,"From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ? Nntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com Reply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com Organization: AT&T Tridom Lines: 42 In article 12328@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) writes: >kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: > >>wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: > > > >>> Hey, > >>> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse >>> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use >>> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any >>> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. > >>> Thanks for your efforts, > >>> Oliver >>>-- >>> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart >>> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 >>> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 >>> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de > >>Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS >>before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded >>to use the mouse in Windows. > >One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my >(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the >driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do >it for some reason. > I could never find the Microsoft mouse driver on my Windows 3.1 installation disks, but DOS 6.0 also has version 8.20 of MOUSE.COM. --- Stephen Thomas AT&T Tridom (404-514-3522) email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat " 6523,13,"From: Dan Wallach Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries (2/4): General Info [monthly posting] Supersedes: Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 409 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:18:16 GMT Reply-To: Dan Wallach NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Summary: information about where to get more information Originator: dwallach@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/general Version: $Revision: 4.28 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 04:17:58 $ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Typing Injuries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Typing Injury FAQ -- sources of information for people with typing injuries, repetitive stress injuries, carpal tunnel syndrome, etc. Copyright 1992,1993 by Dan Wallach Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as typing-injury-faq/general.Z There's a mail server also. Just e-mail mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the word 'help' on a line by itself in the body. The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor. I'm not a medical doctor, so my advice should be taken with many grains of salt. [Current distribution: sci.med.occupational, sci.med, comp.human-factors, {news,sci,comp}.answers, and e-mail to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu, sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu, and cstg-L@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu] Changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change || bars to the right of the text, as is this paragraph. || Table of Contents: ==1== Mailing lists, newsgroups, etc. ==2== The soda.berkeley.edu archive ==3== General info on injuries ==4== Typing posture, ergonomics, prevention, treatment ==5== Requests for more info ==6== References ==1== Mailing lists, newsgroups, etc. USENET News: ----------- comp.human-factors occasionally has discussion about alternative input devices. comp.risks has an occasional posting relevant to injuries via computers. sci.med and misc.handicap also tend to have relevant traffic. There's a Brand New newsgroup, sci.med.occupational, chartered specifically to discuss these things. This would be the recommended place to post. Mailing lists: ------------- The RSI Network: Available both on paper and via e-mail, this publication covers issues relevant to those with repetitive stress injuries. For a sample issue and subscription information, send a stamped, self- addressed business envelope to Caroline Rose, 970 Paradise Way, Palo Alto CA 94306. E-mail to $2 donation, requested. All RSI Network newsletters are available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu (see below for details). c+health and sorehand are both IBM Listserv things. For those familiar with Listserv, here's the quick info: c+health -- subscribe to listserv@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu post to c+health@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu sorehand -- subscribe to listserv@vm.ucsf.edu post to sorehand@vm.ucsf.edu Quick tutorial on subscribing to a Listserv: % mail listserv@vm.ucsf.edu Subject: Total Listserv Mania! SUBSCRIBE SOREHAND J. Random Hacker INFO ? . That's all there is to it. You'll get bunches of mail back from the Listserv, including a list of other possible commands you can mail. Cool, huh? What'll those BITNET people think of, next? ==2== The soda.berkeley.edu archive I've started an archive site for info related to typing injuries. Just anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury. (128.32.149.19) Currently, you'll find: Informative files: typing-injury-faq/ general -- information about typing injuries keyboards -- products to replace your keyboard software -- software to watch your keyboard usage changes -- changes since last month's edition (new!) || keyboard-commentary -- Dan's opinions on the keyboard replacements amt.advice -- about Adverse Mechanical Tension caringforwrists.sit.hqx -- PageMaker4 document about your wrists caringforwrists.ps -- PostScript converted version of above... carpal.info -- info on Carpal Tunnel Syndrome carpal.explained -- very detailed information about CTS carpal.surgery -- JAMA article on CTS surgery carpal.tidbits -- TidBITS article on CTS tendonitis.info -- info on Tendonitis rsi.biblio -- bibliography of RSI-related publications rsi-network/* -- archive of the RSI Network newsletter (currently, containing issues 1 through 11) || rsi.details -- long detailed information about RSI rsi.physical -- study showing RSI isn't just psychological Various product literature: apple-press -- press release on the Apple Adjustable Keyboard apple-tidbits -- extensive info about Apple's Adjustable Keybd bat-info -- MacWeek review on the Bat || comfort-* -- marketing info on the Comfort Keyboard datahand-review -- detailed opinions of the DataHand datahand-review2 -- follow-up to above datahand-desc -- description of the DataHand's appearance kinesis-review -- one user's personal opinions maltron-* -- marketing info on various Maltron products maltron-review -- one user's personal opinions vertical-info -- marketing info on the Vertical (new!) || Programs: (With the exception of accpak.exe, everything here is distributed as source to be compiled with a Unix system. Some programs take advantage of the X window system, also.) hsh.shar -- a program for one-handed usage of normal keyboards typewatch.shar -- tells you when to take a break xdvorak.c -- turns your QWERTY keyboard into Dvorak xidle.shar -- keeps track of how long you've been typing rest-reminder.sh -- yet another idle watcher kt15.tar -- generates fake X keyboard events from the serial port -- use a PC keyboard on anything! (new improved version!) accpak.exe -- a serial port keyboard spoofer for MS Windows (Note: a2x.tar and rk.tar are both from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/ so they may have a more current version than soda.) a2x.tar -- a more sophisticated X keyboard/mouse spoofing program. Supports DragonDictate. (note: a new version is now available) || rk.tar -- the reactive keyboard -- predicts what you'll type next -- saves typing Pictures (in the gifs subdirectory): howtosit.gif -- picture of good sitting posture (the caringforwrists document is better for this) accukey1.gif -- fuzzy picture accukey2.gif -- fuzzy picture with somebody using it apple.gif -- the Apple Adjustable Keyboard || bat.gif -- the InfoGrip Bat comfort.gif -- the Health Care Comfort Keyboard datahand1.gif -- fuzzy picture datahand2.gif -- key layout schematic datahand3.gif -- a much better picture of the datahand flexpro.gif -- the Key Tronic FlexPro keyboard || kinesis1.gif -- the Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard kinesis2.gif -- multiple views of the Kinesis || maltron[1-4].gif -- several pictures of Maltron products mikey1.gif -- the MIKey mikey2.gif -- Schematic Picture of the MIKey tony.gif -- The Tony! Ergonomic Keysystem || twiddler1.gif -- ""front"" view twiddler2.gif -- ""side"" view vertical.gif -- the Vertical keyboard || wave.gif -- the Iocomm `Wave' keyboard Many files are compressed (have a .Z ending). If you can't uncompress a file locally, soda will do it. Just ask for the file, without the .Z extension. If you're unable to ftp to soda, send me e-mail and we'll see what we can arrange. ==3== General info on injuries First, and foremost of importance: if you experience pain at all, then you absolutely need to go see a doctor. As soon as you possibly can. The difference of a day or two can mean the difference between a short recovery and a long, drawn-out ordeal. GO SEE A DOCTOR. Now, your garden-variety doctor may not necessarily be familiar with this sort of injury. Generally, any hospital with an occupational therapy clinic will offer specialists in these kinds of problems. DON'T WAIT, THOUGH. GO SEE A DOCTOR. The remainder of this information is paraphrased, without permission, from a wonderful report by New Zealand's Department of Labour (Occupational Safety and Health Service): ""Occupational Overuse Syndrome. Treatment and Rehabilitation: A Practitioner's Guide"". First, a glossary (or, fancy names for how you shouldn't have your hands): (note: you're likely to hear these terms from doctors and keyboard vendors :) RSI: Repetitive Strain Injury - a general term for many kinds of injuries OOS: Occupational Overuse Syndrome -- synonym for RSI CTD: Cumulative Trauma Disorder -- another synonym for RSI WRULD: Work-Related Upper Limb Disorders -- yet another synonym for RSI CTS: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome (see below) Hyperextension: Marked bending at a joint. Pronation: Turning the palm down. Wrist extension: Bending the wrist up. Supination: Turning the palm up. Wrist flexion: Bending the wrist down. Pinch grip: The grip used for a pencil. Ulnar deviation: Bending the wrist towards the little finger. Power grip: The grip used for a hammer. Radial Deviation: Bending the wrist toward the thumb. Abduction: Moving away from the body. Overspanning: Opening the fingers out wide. Now then, problems come in two main types: Local conditions and diffuse conditions. Local problems are what you'd expect: specific muscles, tendons, tendon sheaths, nerves, etc. being inflamed or otherwise hurt. Diffuse conditions, often mistaken for local problems, can involve muscle discomfort, pain, burning and/or tingling; with identifiable areas of tenderness in muscles, although they're not necessarily ""the problem."" --- Why does Occupational Overuse Syndrome occur? Here's the theory. Normally, your muscles and tendons get blood through capillaries which pass among the muscle fibers. When you tense a muscle, you restrict the blood flow. By the time you're exerting 50% of your full power, you're completely restricting your blood flow. Without fresh blood, your muscles use stored energy until they run out, then they switch to anaerobic (without oxygen) metabolism, which generates nasty by-products like lactic acid, which cause pain. Once one muscle hurts, all its neighbors tense up, perhaps to relieve the load. This makes sense for your normal sort of injury, but it only makes things worse with repetitive motion. More tension means less blood flow, and the cycle continues. Another by-product of the lack of blood flow is tingling and numbness from your nerves. They need blood too. Anyway, when you're typing too much, you're never really giving a change for the blood to get back where it belongs, because your muscles never relax enough to let the blood through. Stress, poor posture, and poor ergonomics, only make things worse. --- Specific injuries you may have heard of: (note: most injuries come in two flavors: acute and chronic. Acute injuries are severely painful and noticable. Chronic conditions have less pronounced symptoms but are every bit as real.) Tenosynovitis -- an inflamation of the tendon sheath. Chronic tenosynovitis occurs when the repetitive activity is mild or intermittent: not enough to cause acute inflamation, but enough to exceed the tendon sheath's ability to lubricate the tendon. As a result, the tendon sheath thickens, gets inflamed, and you've got your problem. Tendonitis -- an inflammation of a tendon. Repeated tensing of a tendon can cause inflamation. Eventually, the fibers of the tendon start separating, and can even break, leaving behind debris which induces more friction, more swelling, and more pain. ""Sub-acute"" tendonitis is more common, which entails a dull ache over the wrist and forearm, some tenderness, and it gets worse with repetitive activity. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome -- the nerves that run through your wrist into your fingers get trapped by the inflamed muscles around them. Symptoms include feeling ""pins and needles"", tingling, numbness, and even loss of sensation. CTS is often confused for a diffuse condition. Adverse Mechanical Tension -- also known as 'neural tension', this is where the nerves running down to your arm have become contracted and possibly compressed as a result of muscle spasms in the shoulders and elsewhere. AMT can often misdiagnosed as or associated with one of the other OOS disorders. It is largely reversible and can be treated with physiotherapy (brachial plexus stretches and trigger point therapy). Others: for just about every part of your body, there's a fancy name for a way to injure it. By now, you should be getting an idea of how OOS conditions occur and why. Just be careful: many inexperienced doctors misdiagnose problems as Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, when in reality, you may have a completely different problem. Always get a second opinion before somebody does something drastic to you (like surgery). ==4== Typing posture, ergonomics, prevention, treatment The most important element of both prevention and recovery is to reduce tension in the muscles and tendons. This requires learning how to relax. If you're under a load of stress, this is doubly important. Tune out the world and breath deep and regular. Relaxing should become a guiding principle in your work: every three minutes take a three second break. EVERY THREE MINUTES, TAKE A THREE SECOND BREAK. Really, do it every three minutes. It's also helpful to work in comfortable surroundings, calm down, and relax. If you can't sleep, you really need to focus on this. Rest, sleep, and relaxation are really a big deal. There are all kinds of other treatments, of course. Drugs can reduce inflamation and pain. Custom-molded splints can forcefully prevent bad posture. Surgery can fix some problems. Exercise can help strengthen your muscles. Regular stretching can help prevent injury. Good posture and a good ergonomic workspace promote reduced tension. Ice or hot-cold contrast baths also reduce swelling. Only your doctor can say what's best for you. --- Posture -- here are some basic guidelines. [I so liked the way this was written in the New Zealand book that I'm lifting it almost verbatim from Appendix 10. -- dwallach] . Let your shoulders relax. . Let your elbows swing free. . Keep your wrists straight. . Pull your chin in to look down - don't flop your head forward. . Keep the hollow in the base of your spine. . Try leaning back in the chair. . Don't slouch or slump forward. . Alter your posture from time to time. . Every 20 minutes, get up and bend your spine backward. Set the seat height, first. Your feet should be flat on the floor. There should be no undue pressure on the underside of your thighs near the knees, and your thighs should not slope too much. Now, draw yourself up to your desk and see that its height is comfortable to work at. If you are short, this may be impossible. The beest remedy is to raise the seat height and prevent your legs from dangling by using a footrest. Now, adjust the backrest height so that your buttocks fit into the space between the backrest and the seat pan. The backrest should support you in the hollow of your back, so adjust its tilt to give firm support in this area. If you operate a keyboard, you will be able to spend more time leaning back, so experiment with a chair with a taller backrest, if available. [Now, I diverge a little from the text] A good chair makes a big difference. If you don't like your chair, go find a better one. You really want adjustments for height, back angle, back height, and maybe even seat tilt. Most arm rests seem to get in the way, although some more expensive chairs have height adjustable arm rests which you can also rotate out of the way. You should find a good store and play with all these chairs -- pick one that's right for you. In the San Francisco Bay Area, I highly recommend ""Just Chairs."" The name says it all. --- Keyboard drawers, wrist pads, and keyboard replacements: There is a fair amount of controvery on how to get this right. For some people, wrist pads seem to work wonders. However, with good posture, you shouldn't be resting your wrists on anything -- you would prefer your keyboard to be ""right there"". If you drop your arms at your side and then lift your hands up at the elbow, you want your keyboard under your hands when your elbows are at about 90 degrees. Of course, you want to avoid pronation, wrist extension, and ulnar deviation at all costs. Wrist pads may or may not help at this. You should get somebody else to come and look at how you work: how you sit, how you type, and how you relax. It's often easier for somebody else to notice your hunched shoulders or deviated hands. Some argue that the normal, flat keyboard is antiquated and poorly designed. A number of replacements are available, on the market, today. Check out the accompanying typing-injury-faq/keyboards for much detail. ==5== Requests for more info Clearly, the above information is incomplete. The typing-injury archive is incomplete. There's always more information out there. If you'd like to submit something, please send me mail, and I'll gladly throw it in. If you'd like to maintain a list of products or vendors, that would be wonderful! I'd love somebody to make a list of chair/desk vendors. I'd love somebody to make a list of doctors. I'd love somebody to edit the above sections, looking for places where I've obviously goofed. ==6== References I completely rewrote the information section here, using a wonderful guide produced in New Zealand by their Occupational Safety & Health Service, a service of their Department of Labour. Special thanks to the authors: Wigley, Turner, Blake, Darby, McInnes, and Harding. Semi-bibliographic reference: . Occupational Overuse Syndrome . Treatment and Rehabilitation: A Practitioner's Guide Published by the Occupational Safety and Health Service Department of Labour Wellington, New Zealand. First Edition: June 1992 ISBN 0-477-3499-3 Price: $9.95 (New Zealand $'s, of course) Thanks to Richard Donkin for reviewing this posting. -- Dan Wallach ""One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet."" -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. " 6524,4,"From: afung@athena.mit.edu (Archon Fung) Subject: wrong RAM in Duo? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thobbes.mit.edu A few posts back, somebody mentioned that the Duo might crash if it has the wrong kind (non-self refreshing) of RAM in it. My Duo crashes sometimes after sleep, and I am wondering if there is any software which will tell me whether or not I have the right kind of RAM installed. I had thought that the problem was the battery connection. Thanks in Advance, Archon Fung " 6525,8,"From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Lines: 24 In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >>Two questions that fascinate me:- > >Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives... > >>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks? > >The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck, >often obtained while performing honest work outdoors. The neck is >specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and >back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest >for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and >get full-body sunburns. > More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside of their group or level of understanding. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Tuba"" (Irwin) ""I honk therefore I am"" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org DoD #0826 (R75/6) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6526,15,"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 109 In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: >>In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >> > ... >> > >> >Are all truths also absolutes? >> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? >> > >> The answer to both questions is yes. > >Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then. To me, >an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture, >situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree >with this definition? I think you do: > >> Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a >> contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always >> true. Obviously, if a ""truth"" is not always ""true"" then we have a >> contradiction in terms. I agree with Carol here. Determining absolutes is, practically speaking, a waste of time. And we easily forget that relative truth is, in fact relative. For example, I recently was asking some children the question ""What temperature does water boil at?"" I got the answer 212 degrees consistently. I asked if they knew what scale, and was told ""It's just 212 degrees. Any scale. That's what all thermometers say."" Well, that's sincere, and may be true in the experience of the speaker, but it is simply wrong. IT is NOT an absolute truth. Similarly, Scripture is full of Truth, which we should nurture and cherish, but trying to determine which parts are Absolute Truth and which parts are the manifestations of that in the context of the time and culture in which the text was penned is missing the point. Then religion easily becomes an intellectual head-trip, devoid of the living experience of the indwelling Trinity and becomes dead scholasticism, IMO. [example of head-covering in Church deleted] This was a good example. There may be an Absolute Truth behind the writing, but the simplest understanding of the passage is that the instructions apply to the Corinthians, and not necessarily elsewhere. The instructions may reflect Absolute Truth in the context of first century culture and the particular climate at Corinth, which was having a LOT of trouble with order. Is it Absolute Truth to me? No. And I see no compelling, or even reasonable, reason that it should be. >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) >Can you reconcile this? Even the most die-hard literalists do not take all of the Bible literally. I've yet to meet anyone who takes the verse ""blessed is he who takes your babies and smashes their heads against the rocks"" literally. The Bible was not printed or handed to us by God with color codings to tell us what parts should be interpreted which way. >> Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a >> statement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this >> way. If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement, >> ""There are no absolutes"" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a >> contradiction here. > >I don't claim that there are *no* absolutes. I think there are very >few, though, and determining absolutes is difficult. I agree. Very few. And even if we knew them, personally, we may not be able to express that in a way that still conveys Absolute Truth to another. The presence of absence of Absolutes may not make any difference, since I know I can never fully apprehend an Absolute if it walks up and greets me. > >> >There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical >> >Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding >> >Biblical interpretation. >> >> So? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate >> the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe. I can't prove the existence of absolutes. I can only rely upon MY experience. I also trust God's revelation that WE cannot fully comprehend the infinite. Therefore we can't comprehend the Absolutes. So I don't need them. I can never know the essence of God, only the energies by and through which God is manifested to God's creation. So the reality can be that there ARE absolutes, but it is of no practical importance. It's like claiming that the original scriptural autographs were perfect, but copies may not be. Swell. Who cares? It doesn't affect me in any practical useful way. I might as well believe that God has made a lot of electric blue chickens, and that they live on Mars. Maybe God did. So what? Is that going to have ANY effect on how I deal with my neighbor, or God? Whether or not I go to this or that cafeteria for lunch? No. This attitude leads many non-Christians to believe that ALL Christians are arrogant idiots incapable of critical reasoning. Christianity is true, wonderful and sensible. It appeals to Reason, since Reason is an inner reflection of the Logos of God. Explanations that violate that simply appear to be insecure authoritarian responses to a complex world. NOTE: I'm NOT claiming there is no place for authority. That'd be silly. There IS a world of difference between authoritative and authoritarian. Authoritative is en expression of authority that respects others. Authoritarian is en expression of authority that fails to do that, and is generally agressive. Good parents (like God) are authoritative. Many Christians are simply authoritarian, and, not surprisingly, few adults respond to this treatment. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com " 6527,9,"From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) Subject: Two stooges Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY Lines: 9 Well, the Red Sox have apparenly resigned Herm Winningham to a AAA contract. Ted ""Larry"" Simmons signed him to a AAA contract then released him from Buffalo, allowing Lou ""Curly"" Gorman to circumvent the rule about not resigning free agents until May 1. Clearly, neither of these guys is bright enough to be Moe. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Make it right before you make it faster. " 6528,1,"From: Valentin E. Vulihman Subject: Attractive drawing on the sphere Lines: 2 Reply-To: vulih@ipmce.su Organization: Inst. of Prec. Mech. & Comp. Equip., Moscow, Russia subscribe comp.graphics quit " 6529,2,"From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne) Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions Organization: Rice University Lines: 4 Actually, with several sharware utilities, you cn change both. My fav is Plug-In. bryan dunne " 6530,12,"From: mkilpela@mtu.edu (Mark E. Kilpela) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Nntp-Posting-Host: techmac10.tech.mtu.edu Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) wrote: > > Hello > I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and > I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets > are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, > the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground > wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the > 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground > wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > > SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the > same electrical circuit if I hooked the neutral[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Da jumper from the neutral > over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. > What's wrong with my reasoning here? First, it will not pass a National Electrical code inspection. Secondly, The neutral wire is current carrying and the ground wire shouldn't be, or only during a fault condition. The reason the neutral and ground are tied together in the panel is the tranformer on the power pole has a grounded center-tap secondary, with the grounded center-tap the neutral. This gives 120v to neutral(ground) from each side of the transformer and 240v across the transformer. So in effect the neutral and ground should be at the same potential. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark E. Kilpela email mkilpela@mtu.edu Michigan Technological University School of Technology ------------------------------------------------------------------ " 6531,4,"From: tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 21 >A professor of mine once said ""The difference between a Computer Engineer and >a Computer Scientist is about $5000"" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >the CS. >Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that >people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an >engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the ""computer"" in your >car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words >CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. >These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. >P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >Scott For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were $7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. _emt " 6532,11,"From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 45 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have > effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a > false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is > an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, > and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, > balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper > Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. The clear middle ground implied by these statements is to say that Americans have the right to Clipper encryption, but not to unbreakable encryption. This implies that, ultimately, non-Clipper strong encryption must become illegal. (As an aside, isn't the language here jarring? All this talk about ""harmonious balance"" when they're talking about taking away people's right to communications privacy?) Although the article emphasizes voice communication, data and mail encryption is mentioned as well: >Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to >protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to >protect electronic mail and computer files. > -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to > employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted voice communications, will be distributed only through the ""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that they are protecting their privacy. It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. Hal Finney hal@alumni.caltech.edu " 6533,9,"Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 13 That's very true. I live in Richmond, home of the AAA Richmond Braves, and they have this guy Ryan Klesko who hit 17 HR's at home last year. Now that doesn't sound like a whole lot, BUT the way the ""Diamond"" is built, Home runs are a rarity. In fact, Ron Gant, Brian Hunter and David Justice all proved they could hit in Richmond. When they were sent to the majors, they never came back. If you can hit in Richmond, you can hit anywhere. So far, after beating Scranton (Phillies) 9-0 in the first game, the best team in AAA history has been rather underwhelming. Too many expectations I guess. " 6534,2,"From: bjcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Brendan NEWMAN) Subject: Trident VGA Drivers Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 8 Hi, I have a trident TVGA-8900 video card and need the updated drivers for Win3.1 where can I get them from an ftp site. Thanks BJ. " 6535,15,"From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: University of South Africa Lines: 27 In article cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) writes: >: I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >: couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have >: publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and >: are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective >: qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. > >The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* >married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse. Some years ago an Anglican synod was discussing the marriage canons and there was some debate on what actually constituted a marriage. The bishop of Natal, whose wife of many years had died, and who had recently remarried, announced ""It MUST be consummated"" and looked like that cat that got the cream. So I suppose he at least would agree with you. ============================================================ Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za Fidonet: 5:7101/20 steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org FAQ: Missiology is the study of Christian mission and is part of the Faculty of Theology at Unisa " 6536,9,"From: cmeyer@bloch.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: DSO, Stanford University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 27 Michael Chen (mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing. Why? : Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does : Toronto have? Well, I agree that Viola is a better signing. However, why does everyone say that you want lefthanded starters? I understand lefthanded spot relievers, even though they usually face more righthanded batters than lefthanded batters. I just don't understand why people insist on lefthanded starters, unless there is a park effect (e.g., Yankee Stadium). Most batters in MLB are righthanded, so righthanded starters will have the platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters. I guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams may be more vulnerable to LHP's than RHP's. However, this is probably only a factor in the postseason, because teams seldom juggle their starters for this reason during the regular season. I think you just want the best starters you can get, regardless of whether they are lefties or righties. Lefthanded starters tend to have higher ERA's than righthanded starters, precisely because managers go out of their way to start inferior lefties (or perhaps because of the platoon advantage). Am I missing something here? --Craig " 6537,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr15.111910.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) writes: > >I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a >Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. >It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. Because Greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their RADAR collision-prevention system. They use RADAR to monitor how close other vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are, and signals a warning to the driver if they're coming up on something too fast or are getting too close. This is all I remember from the news reports a few months back; at the time, they were only talking about the possibility of installing the system. (They didn't mention how it worked in bumper-to-bumper traffic, or how it discriminated between a Camaro approaching at 120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached at 60mph on a curve.) I do recall something about progressive stages of warnings, from flashing lights to audible warnings--ie, it goes from a red ""Too close"" light to hysterically screaming ""WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!"" :-) James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 6538,7,"From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) Subject: Clear coat woes . . . Summary: Any way to remove fine scratches in clear coat? Keywords: clear coat paint Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 27 Is clear coat really worth it? Yes, on the showroom floor, the cars have this deep, lustrous shine that just can't be found on paint jobs that aren't clear coated. On the other hand, it seems that every clear coated car that I've seen on the road (in a parking lot, etc.) has fine scratches throughout the paint job. As does, alas, my 1992 Laser. Several weeks ago I had my car professionally polished and waxed. When I picked it up, it had that same showroom shine that I remember from a year ago when I bought it. Several days ago I took my car to the dealership for some work. As an added bonus, they washed my car. Unfortunately, whoever washed it either didn't get the roof (which is black, the rest of the car is red) completely clean before he dried it, or he used a dirty towel. Now my showroom shine is a haze of fine scratches that aren't really visible until the light hits the roof at a particular angle. I am, to put it mildy, somewhat peeved about this. Do I have any chance of getting the dealership to do something about this? My guess is 'no'. Is there any product on the market that provides a solution to this problem? Or am I faced with the prospect of having the car professionally polished again to hide the scratches? Information, commiseration, and sympathy all greatly appreciated . . . Scott ""the-dealership-will-never-wash-my-car-again"" Borders sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu borders_scott@tandem.com " 6539,6,"From: Wil.Chin@launchpad.unc.edu (Wilson Chin) Subject: 386 Motherboard for sale! Keywords: 386 motherboard computer forsale cheap Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 25 I've got a 386 motherboard for sale: i386-25DX processor w/2Mb RAM AMI BIOS w/setup Math Coprocessor socket 8 expansion slots Full sized motherboard--fits any full-sized case All manuals included Make me an offer! Reason for sale: I've got a new HP workstation to play with now :) Also: other peripherals (VGA card/moditor, TEAC Disk Drives, printer, etc) available. E-mail for more info. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 " 6540,10,"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: ESPN, the network with a heart... Keywords: NOT! Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 22 Dale Hunter ties the game, scoring his third goal of the game with 2.7 seconds remaining in regulation. You could feel it coming on. ""Due to contractual agreements, ESPN will be unable to carry the rest of this game live, so that we may show you a worthless early-season battle between those two pennant contenders, the Cleveland Indians and the California Angels. When the winning goal is scored, we WILL do the grave injustice of breaking into the baseball game -- something reserved only for the deaths of Presidents or the trading of Joe Montana to the Chiefs -- to show you the goal on instant replay. ""Aren't you SO lucky to have national coverage of hockey?"" It's HEIDI all over again, dammit! Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University PENGUINS 7, DEVILS 0 -- ROLL TRAIN, ROLL! " 6541,15,"From: MNHCC@cunyvm.bitnet (Marty Helgesen) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: City University of New York Lines: 45 In article , a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz Faris) says: >A.Faris <[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] That is generally accuate, but contains one serious error. We Catholics do believe that God's revealed truth that is not explicitly recorded in the Bible can be and is passed on through the Tradition of the Church. It should be noted that the Tradition of the Church, otherwise known as Sacred Tradition, is not the same as ordinary human traditions. However, we do not believe that additional truth will be revealed to the Church. Public revelation, which is the basis of Catholic doctrine, ended with the death of St. John, the last Apostle. Nothing new can be added. Theologians study this revelation and can draw out implications that were not recognized previously, so that the Council of Nicea could define statements about the theology of the Trinity and the Incarnation that were not explicitly stated in the Bible and had been disputed before the council, but there was no new revelation at Nicea or at any subsequent council. Cardinal Newman's _An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine_, written while he was still an Anglican, is an excellent discussion of of this point. It was recently reprinted as a Doubleday Image Books paperback with some related shorter works under the title _Conscience, Consensus, and the Development of Doctrine_. ------- Marty Helgesen Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ""What if there were no such thing as a hypothetical situation?"" " 6542,2,"From: zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil Subject: Re: Diamond SS 24X Organization: CDNSWC, Naval Ship Systems Eng Sta, Phila PA Lines: 20 Greetings! I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the desktop can occasionally result in the windows ""blowing up"" into a set of horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually scrolling, as if a CR was printed without an LF. This seems ONLY to happen to communications programs, but I can't nail it down any further than that. Note, though, that the comms programs don't have to be communicating. Even just scrolling back through capture buffers or displaying disk files in these programs causes the problem. Prior to the latest rev of Word Perfect for Windows, WPwin would sometimes blow up, and the error message would cite the video driver as the source of the problem. I've still seen this, but only once or twice with WPwin 5.2. Dave Zimmerman (My opinions are my own) " 6543,13,"From: bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler) Subject: Is an oral form of Imitrex(sumatriptan) available in CA Article-I.D.: vela.1psee5$c3t Distribution: na Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ouchem.chem.oakland.edu Sumatriptan(Imitrex) just became available in the US in a subcutaneous injectable form. Is there an oral form available in CA? A friend(yes really not me!) has severe migranes about 2-3 times per week. We live right by the CA border and he has gotten drugs for GERD prescribed by a US physician and filled in a CA pharmacy, but not yet FDA approved in the US. What would be the cost of the oral form in CA$ also if anyone would have that info? Thanks " 6544,19,"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 16 In article <93109.211935ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET (Casper C. Knies) writes: > >Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri, >.............. > > >Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet >Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu >UCS Computer Facilities Capser, before you deceive everone into thinking that the latter-day saints have undergone undue persecution through the years for just believing in their religion, perhaps you would like to tell us all what happened in the Mountain Meadow Massacres and all the killings that were done under the Blood Atonement Doctrine, at the command of Brigham Young? " 6545,1,"From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) Subject: Reprints Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: cliff.watson.ibm.com Organization: A Lines: 17 I have a few reprints left of chapters from my book ""Visions of the Future"". These include reprints of 3 chapters probably of interest to readers of this forum, including: 1. Current Techniques and Development of Computer Art, by Franz Szabo 2. Forging a Career as a Sculptor from a Career as Computer Programmer, by Stewart Dickson 3. Fractals and Genetics in the Future by H. Joel Jeffrey I'd be happy to send out free reprints to researchers for scholarly purposes, until the reprints run out. Just send me your name and address. Thanks, Cliff cliff@watson.ibm.com " 6546,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 95 In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: > >> >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >> >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >> Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >> CONTEXT? > >Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago. > >> If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >> It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individual >> to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. > >It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the >right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much >necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots >of American gun supporters. So I thought that... > >Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal >with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my >experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm >Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh >well. I think your experiences under the Bulgarian regime are highly relevant. We have too many people with their heads in the sand saying it cannot happen here, as our Constitutional Rights are being trashed every day because the government justifies doing some end-run around the protections by a 'crisis' requiring 'drastic action'. It is most likely that in the future possession of secure encryption tools will be regarded as possession of 'terrorist and drug dealers tools', and be some serious Fedaral Felony. Just like common tools are 'burgular tools' if the police say so, common computer programs (even computers themselves) are now 'hackers tools', and will become 'terrorist tools'. BET ON IT. The insights of someone who has lived throught this are very important. If the US goes the way of the old Soviet Union and its client states as far as individual rights, privacy and overall freedom are concerned, the rest of the world (remember 'New World Order'?) will not be far behind - only a few years. Please keep posting anything you find that is deficient or that threatens ones rights in this thing. For example, a conversation between a suspect and a lawyer will no longer be private from Big Brother eavesdropping. Political dissent allready is very dangerous in this country, all it takes is the government to decide that enough people will take one seriously, then one becomes guilty of 'plotting to overthrow the government by illegal means'. The phrase 'illegal means' is defined as whatever the government wants it to be defined as. Couple this with Clinton's pressing for a 'smart' National ID card (an 'Internal passport'?), with the added wrinkle that anything about you and your past can be put on it, and you can only take the government's word as to what is really on it (since they will be the only ones with the means to completely read and reprogram the thing). Isn't that nice? While the Feds can bust into one's safe without the keys, the owner knows his safe has been broken into. When they break into your 'secure' phone conversations (or other stored/transmitted data in the near future) you have no way of knowing, so accountability as to the legalities has gone out the window. Just like a safe, if they have a legal cause, they can get the keys from the suspect, just like they can get the keys to a safe or the combination from the suspect. Same with encryption: Record everything, get the warrants, THEN decode it with the keys obtained from the suspect. This Clinton Cripple, along with its natural extensions, will make any priviliged communications between client and lawyer, and any meaningful political dissent virtually impossible. Which is the general idea. Any propeganda about its being secure, and the safeguards, and all of that are just that - propeganda to reassure people so they will by into this monstrosity. DON'T BE SUCKERED. BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING!!! > >Regards, >Vesselin >-- >Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg >Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN >< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C >e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 6547,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 67 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: Ten questions about Israel |> |> |> Ten questions to Israelis |> ------------------------- |> |> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to |> provide |> accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are |> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by |> people around me. I lived there until July 1992 so I think that on the whole, my input is relevant. |> 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize |> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens |> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as |> Israelis ? Those are two separate questions. Obviously, Israeli authorities do recognize Israeli nationality for some purposes, e.g. passports, consular services, etc... ID cards have a field of nationality which is a subdivision of the above. Ostensibly, this field is provided for sevices provided by the religious departments of the gov't, though this is not the general case. |> 2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders |> and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to |> state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be |> ? From its onset, Israel's borders have been shaped and reshaped by both war and peace. As such, the Israeli gov't has always felt that defining its borders is a step that is meaningful only after peace treaties have been conluded with its neighbors. There is no plan for ""ultimate borders"" (is this a game like ""ultimate frisbee""?) extending into other countries. |> 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, |> could you provide any evidence ? Aside from what Vaanunu provided, no. |> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of |> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their |> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are |> state secrets ? If that is true, then by virtue of the question's subject, it is unanswerable. Anyone who claims its validity. is claiming an oxymoron. That having been said, I deny the above. You go on to ask quite a number of questions that show an obvious bias. Questions of the sort ""Is it true that you entered your mother's vagina?"" which are based upon some kernel of truth, though phrased in a way as to render them repugnant and cast aspersions upon Israel. Incidentally, the answer to the above is usually yes, unless you were born via a C-section. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 6548,12,"From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA Lines: 8 In article <1993Apr21.024036.7394@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes: >Subject: arcade style buttons and joysticks >Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found >on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would What about the common joystick found in all computer shops? - gerrit " 6549,17,"From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism In-Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 26 Apr 93 22:22:28 GMT Lines: 22 Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41 <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> <1993Apr26.184547.20058@das.harvard.edu> <1rhnb4$1pp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> In article <1rhnb4$1pp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > In a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says: > > >In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: > >>In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: > >>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > > > >>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral > >>>Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? > > > > There are many cases, but I do not remeber names. The Isralis shot and killed > a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada. >... Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of independence. He was killed by the Israelis. Seems he was being too successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war. -- =Jim eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert) " 6550,4,"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu Subject: More General Questions... Distribution: usa Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA Lines: 8 I have two questions: 1) What would be required to create a Macintosh PC network including laser printers, line printers, etc.? 2) What would be bare minimum to create a network for the primary purpose of networking a laser printer by approx. 3 mac's? " 6551,12,"From: andrei@labomath.univ-orleans.fr (Andrei Yakovlev) Subject: References to switched-capacitor filter ICs wanted. Organization: University of Orleans, France. Lines: 9 Hi All! I would like to know what are the popular ICs of the type, their capabilities (# of channels et.c.) and prices :-) Great thanks, Andrew. " 6552,1,"From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) Subject: comp.graphics.programmer Organization: Ostfold College Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc105 Hello netters Sorry, I don't know if this is the right way of doing this kind of thing, probably should be a CFV, but since I don't have tha ability to create a news group myself, I just want to start the discussion. I enjoy reading c.g very much, but I often find it difficult to sort out what I'm interested in. Everything from screen-drivers, graphics cards, graphics programming and graphics programs are discused here. What I'd like is a comp.graphics.programmer news group. What do you other think. Arff ""Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values, who's birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And often disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear a seeing man prizeing what he sees."" Per Lagerkvist, The Fist (Free translation from Swedish) --Andreas Arff andreasa@dhhalden.no-- " 6553,8,"From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List Organization: Why do you suspect that? Lines: 17 In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes: > Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers! >I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in >talking Bikes! We discuss anything and everything. If you are interested in >joining, drop me a line. Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you >have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone. C'mon...join >and enjoy! Huh? Did this guy just invent wreck.motorcycles? Curious minds want to know. Charlie Smith charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org KotdohL KotWitDoDL 1KSPI=22.85 DoD #0709 doh #0000000004 & AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V BMW K1100-LT, R80-GS/PD, R27, Triumph TR6 Columbus, Ohio USA " 6554,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: Statement to everyone on t.p.g <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > >Clue - Kratz' position isn't a defense against inaccuracy. > >I oppose gun control because it doesn't work. If it did, I'd support >it. In fact, I supported gun control before I did my homework. > >There's no demand for pro-gun people who don't know what they're >talking about. In fact, they'd be much better off if they didn't say >anything. > And why is this Freeman? Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are talking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or two. I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have to say. I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look so calm down. >There's lots of information flowing on tpg for those interested in >learning. One can participate in those discussions without ranting >inaccurately. Failure to do so has consequences. > Ah, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning. I have also asked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of information to read. Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am interested in learning? I think it does because as you said people who don't know anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause. >Another good habit to get into is to go read-only for a while, to take >the time to figure out how things work. > Another good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman and accept mistakes. Sure, maybe it could have been some type of misinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't. I made my statement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry about it but also to learn as much as you can. They accepted my mistake and gave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible. I have read several posts of yours and have found them informative. Why don't you give me the same chance? >-andy Jason " 6555,15,"From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie) Subject: Re: Essene New Testament Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 16 In harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood) writes: >There had been recent criticism of this in a listserv for academic >Biblical scholars: they all say the book(s) are modern fakes. >D.H. Which listsev was this and is the discussion still current? My questioning is based on some information presented from the Essene NT that challenges some of my eating choices. As the info came from a biased (opposed to my preferences) third party I am looking for info as to whether I should dismiss this work or put some consideration into it. Thanks again for info! -- Will Christie | AATCHOO! | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and University of Manitoba | Uh-oh... | science of thought and reality Winnipeg, MB, Canada | I'm leaking | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks chrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. | they're useful to society " 6556,0,"From: jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Keywords: slander calumny Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr16.222525.16024@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.171722.159590@zeus.calpoly.edu>, >jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch) wrote: >> >> In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: >> >P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of ""shatim"" also >> >applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella >> >of the ""fasad"" ruling. >> >> Please define the words ""shatim"" and ""fasad"" before you use them again. > >My apologies. ""Shatim"", I believe, refers to slandering or spreading >slander and lies about the Prophets(a.s) - any of the Prophets. Basically, any prophet I've ever dealt with has either been busy hawking stolen merchandise or selling swampland house lots in Florida. Then you hear all the stories of sexual abuse by prophets and how the families of victims were paid to keep quiet about it. >It's a kind of willful caulmny and ""cursing"" that's indicated by the >word. This is the best explanation I can come up with off the top >of my head - I'll try and look up a more technical definition when I >have the time. Never mind that, but let me tell you about this Chevelle I bought from this dude (you guessed it, a prophet) named Mohammed. I've got the car for like two days when the tranny kicks, then Manny, my mechanic, tells me it was loaded with sawdust! Take a guess whether ""Mohammed"" was anywhere to be found. I don't think so. > >""Fasad"" is a little more difficult to describe. Again, this is not >a technical definition - I'll try and get that later. Literally, Oh, Mohammed! >the word ""fasad"" means mischief. But it's a mischief on the order of >magnitude indicated by the word ""corruption"". It's when someone who >is doing something wrong to begin with, seeks to escalate the hurt, Yeah, you, Mohammed! >disorder, concern, harm etc. (the mischief) initially caused by their >actions. The ""wrong"" is specifically related to attacks against >""God and His Messenger"" and mischief, corruption, disorder etc. You slimy mass of pond scum! >resulting from that. The attack need not be a physical attack and there >are different levels of penalty proscribed, depending on the extent >of the mischief and whether the person or persons sought to >""make hay"" of the situation. The severest punishment is death. Yeah, right! You're the one should be watching your butt. You and your buddy Allah. The stereo he sold me croaked after two days. Your ass is grass! Jim Yeah, that's right, Jim. " 6557,3,"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: Utility to switch cap locks/ctrl keys Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 9 Being a big fan of the official IBM keyboards, I have a PS/2 keyboard attached to my clone computer. I want to know if there is a software utility out there that can be used to switch the locations of the ctrl and cap locks keys. Even better, does IBM or any third party make ctrl and cap lock key replacements that can be used to visually switch the keys as well? -- Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com " 6558,4,"From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite ) Subject: Re: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu In article <1993Apr15.183527.3365@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: > THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and > they will replace the flyback for free, I think. > > > I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing > them for free. > > > ________________ > - / o r r The service notice on the 13"" hi-res monitors expired 3/23/93 after this date Apple will NOT reimburse service providers for the fix (replacement of the hi-voltage capacitor). All you folks that have been putting up with intermittant shutdowns without getting it to your service provider missed out on the freebie. It was in force for a year. If you got it free after 3/23, you got a deal... Jeff Hite Computing Center U of Oregon jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu " 6559,5,"From: janzen@lichen.mpr.ca (Martin Janzen) Subject: Re: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment? Nntp-Posting-Host: lichen Reply-To: janzen@mprgate.mpr.ca Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 30 In article , ianhogg@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ian J. Hogg) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.200740.17615@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan) writes: >>has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there >>is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes >>when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in >>HP X/motif that perform the same function. > >I've been using the xrpc package for about a year now. I believe I got it from >export. Glad to hear that it's working for you! I couldn't find it on ""export"". However, Simon Leinen has added an Imakefile and an Athena version, and made it available for FTP in the file liasun3.epfl.ch:/pub/X/contrib/xrpc.tar.z. (Note the "".z"" suffix; you'll need GNU gzip -- also on liasun3 in /pub/gnu -- to uncompress it.) If this doesn't work, send me a note and I'd be happy to mail you a copy; but you probably won't get it until the start of May -- I'm on holidays as of tomorrow! :-) -- Martin Janzen janzen@mprgate.mpr.ca (134.87.131.13) MPR Teltech Ltd. 8999 Nelson Way Burnaby, BC, CANADA V5A 4B5 P.S. Are there any Dublin X folks that want to go for a pint of Guinness at, say, Mulligan's...? " 6560,11,"From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) Subject: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow Summary: bohica Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: Banzai Institute Lines: 292 Nntp-Posting-Host: mycroft.rand.org This document is in the anonymous ftp directory at NIST. Looks to me like the other shoe has dropped. Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:00 ------------------- Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. -- Jim Gillogly Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:01 " 6561,19,"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Sun Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun In article lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes: >My definition of objective would be absolute, or fixed, rather than > > subjective, or varying and changing. > Lets see what the dictionary has to say: objective adj. 1. As having to do with a material object as distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. 3.a. Uninfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon. eric " 6562,12,"From: jsc52962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Curtis) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: }Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC! } [...] }Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man }named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation }of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. } [...] }I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. } [...] }Well you got one thing right! Hello? John? Oh, nevermind... Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Curtis sidewinder@uiuc.edu | ""Resplendent in full regalia, they The Power of 37 free2207 at uiucvmd | revel in their role as self-appointed Sony - Phase Linear - Sanyo - Sennet | critics of the establishment..."" Jensen - Polk - StreetWires - Proton | -- INXS _Welcome to Wherever You Are_ " 6563,5,"From: ngai@nova.bellcore.com (John Ngai) Subject: How to disable reverse video on xterm/man Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Lines: 22 Well I am not sure if this is the right newsgroup to ask, but let me try anyway. I am running xterm and like all UNIX users, I run man . Recently, I switched to Solaris 2.1, and their man pages are littered with "".I"" directives that are somehow translated into reverse video when displayed by man under xterm. The resulting output (admittedly a personal taste) is very ANNOYING to look at. Back when I was using SunOS 4.1.2, I remember their man pages have some keywords displayed with underlining.... So my question is how do I change the xterm's behaviour under "".I"" directives for nroff man pages, to perhaps underlining, or at least disabling it. ("".B"" directives are fine, I like them. And of course, I don't want to go in and edit the man pages inputs...) Somehow, xterm allows one to specify both a normal font and a bold font, but not an italic font?? Any pointers, suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks -- John P.S. Running xterm -rv won't work, I tried... " 6564,2,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: Simple Windows question Organization: AT&T Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr23.214110.15315@sarah.albany.edu> jr0930@eve.albany.edu (DIAMOND) writes: >When running DOS 5.0 under Windows 3.0, I lose the ability to do a >print-screen. >I have no problem with this when I'm running DOS not under Windows. ... Open up the .PIF file with the PIF Editor, click on the ""Advanced"" button, and then reserve the PrtSc key for the application. Any keys that you select in this section will be passed along to the application rather than being processed by Windows. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 6565,6,"From: nmohan@opal.tufts.edu Subject: SALE-CANON EOS ELAN OUTFIT Lines: 28 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA FOR SALE CANON EOS ELAN OUTFIT INCLUDED -EOS elan body -28-80 mm EF 1:3.5-5.6 USM lens -100-300 mm EF 1:4.%-5.6 USM lens -2 B&W UV filters -Hoya circular polarising filter -Canon RC-1 remote controller -Pentax lens cloth -Lowe Pro camera bag -Galen Rowell Photoflex lens bag -Sapre lithium battery -Hove Foto bokk user guide to Canon EOS elan All as new condition The whole lot $800 (firm) Contact David 617-227-7326 617-956-6905 Please do not e-mail your queries. All talks only by phone. " 6566,12,"From: kenh@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Ken Hillen) Subject: RF data transmission Article-I.D.: sail.13601 Distribution: usa Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 10 I need a off-the-shelf method of transmitting small amounts of data up to 300 feet. The data is low speed and can be encoded as needed. Low power on the transmitting end would be a plus. An FCC certified product would be prefered. If you have any pointers to products or companies I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Ken " 6567,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: the usual Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 77 In article viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >>Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement. >>Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive >>decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the >>weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things. >>(Can you say ""neutron flux""?) > Can you say, ""I get more background radiation from living in >Denver or having an office in a limestone building than I do standing >next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear >warhead that is armed?"" Look up ""shielding"" in your dictionary. You >don't need six feet of lead to make decent shielding; your dead skin >cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles, and neutrons >are slowed by mere *water*. What do you think 75% of you is? But whatever the neutrons hit has a good chance of absorbing the neutron and becoming radioactive itself. Mostly, that means water turning into (harmless) heavy water. But some neutrons would also hit bones, and the resulting harmfull, secondard radioactives would remain in the body for decades. I think an unshielded nuclear warhead could reasonably be considered a public health hazard. As for a shielded warhead, I think a fair amount of maintaince is required for it to remain safely shielded (e.g. storage in a dry, temperature-regulated facility, etc...) For private ownership to be unregulated, I think a single individual must be able not only to keep the weapon, but keep it in a safe condition. If any random private citizen could not properly keep, maintain and store a nuclear weapon, then some regulation is clearly appropriate. >> Plus these things have no self- >>defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as >>a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use >>(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration >>(translation: cities and population centers). > If the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal >government, they are indeed useful weapons to the militia. I disagree with this purpose: The job of the militia is to defend themselves and their community. If you look at the American revolution as an example, the militias won by seperating themselves from, and becoming independent of, a repressive government. They didn't overthrow it, and those communities (Canada and England, for example) that didn't defend themselves were still under that same old regime. If the role of the militia were offensive, to go out and destroy repressive governments, nuclear weapons _might_ be appropriate. But their jobs is defensive, and nuclear weapons aren't suited for that. There is also the question of personal and collective arms: The Second Amendment definately protects ownership of personal weapons (since the very nature of the militia requires members to provide their own arms.) But it isn't clear if it covers other arms. Certainly, not all members would supply (for example) a tank, only a few could or (if they were to be used effectively) should. However, those providing the heavy weapons have a disproportionate control over the militia and its fierpower. The militias, as the framers envisioned them, were extremely democratic: If only 50% of the members supported the cause, only 50% would respond to a muster, and the militia's firepower would be proportionately reduced. Militia firepower and the popular will were, therefore, linked. But if a small minority of the members supplied a large fraction of the firepower (in the form of heavy weapons) this would all change: The militia's firepower would depend on the will of a small minority, not of the general public. Worse, that minority would be quite different from the general public (at the very least, they would be much richer.) As a result, I think the nature and character of the militia requires that each member provide a roughly equal share of the militia's firepower: His personal weapons, and some equitable fraction of a squad's heavier firepower. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 6568,11,From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) Subject: Re: The battle is joined Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 15 In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: >>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the >>Administration even sooner than we feared. > >I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't >just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have >been working on it for years. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I first heard rumors of a similar government proposal (in Risks Digest???) in 1987 or 1988. Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org 6569,7,"From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 23 Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu > wrote: >> >> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?! Actually, this started as a great idea. Before steering-column locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse! Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and demands your keys at gunpoint. You hand them over, he gets in, and HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY! At this, he will run away (or perhaps shoot you anyway %-}). I heard this actually happened somewhere... Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs. %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% ___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and* | | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos |_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling | | | | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either). |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig? " 6570,5,"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) Subject: Re: Asynchronous X Windows? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 45 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32 In ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: >>Is there anyway to use X Windows over an async line? Clearly you could use > x >It is X window. No, it isn't. It is the ""X Window System"", or ""X11"", or ""X"" or any of a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium. In fact, doing ""man X"" on pretty much any X11 machine will tell you: The X Consortium requests that the following names be used when referring to this software: X X Window System X Version 11 X Window System, Version 11 X11 There is no such thing as ""X Windows"" or ""X Window"", despite the repeated misuse of the forms by the trade rags. This probably tells you something about how much to trust the trade rags -- if they can't even get the NAME of the window system right, why should one trust anything else they have to say? With regard to dialup X11 implementations, there are several. You can buy serial X11 terminals from a couple of companies, including both GraphOn and NCD. (In fact, I'm composing this from an NCD running X11 over serial lines across 14.4 kbaud connection.) NCD also sells a software-only package that provides XRemote (which is NCD's implementation of serial X11) for PC's. There may be other such software packages available. X11R6 is supposed to include a standardized compression scheme for running X11 over low-speed connections. It's called Low Bandwidth X (LBX), and is based on improved versions of the techniques used in NCD's XRemote. It seems likely that once LBX is released as a Consortium standard, there will be several vendors willing to supply implementations for various sorts of hardware. Followups directed to comp.windows.x -- Matt Landau Waiting for a flash of enlightenment matt@centerline.com in all this blood and thunder " 6571,7,"From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) writes: >If you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine >(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car. But if you're making short drives, >stick to the 10W40. Several years ago GM was having trouble with the rings sticking on the 5.7 diesel. They traced a cause to the use of 10W-40 oil. They would not honor warranty work if 10W-40 was used (if my memory serves me). 5-30, 10-30 or 20 50 was OK'd though. Mark B. " 6572,2,"From: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sadun Anik) Subject: Losing dark colors of my icons Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: lyra.crhc.uiuc.edu Here is an annoying problem. Whenever I save an icon which contains dark colors like dark red or dark purple, these colors are converted to the bright colors. This happens with every icon editor including the image editor that came with SDK. I don't have this problem with .BMP files either; only with .ICO files or icon libraries. The problem is with the icon colormap field in the icon file header. Checking the file with a binary editor, I can see that the masks are OK. By editing the colormap manually (copying from another icon that I didn't edit) I can fix the colors. Does anybody know what may be causing this problem? Thanks. -- Sadun Anik, U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Center for Reliable and High-performance Computing e-mail: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu " 6573,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: ISLAM: a clearer view Lines: 25 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 25 In article <16BAFC876.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) >Subject: Re: ISLAM: a clearer view >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 13:15:18 GMT >In article >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: > >>>Sorry, it is generally accepted that the rise of the inquisition is >>>the reason why torture was introduced outside the Romanic countries >>>at the end of the Middle Ages. In other words, the Holy Mother Church >>>which is lead infallibly by the Holy Ghost has spread it. >> >>The Roman Catholic Church claims to be lead by the ""infallable"" pope. >>That's why she (the RC Church) has done so many wicked things to Xtians and >>non-believers alike. > > >The rationale that the pope speaking ex cathedra is infallible is based >on the claim above. The dogma about the pope is of Jesuitic origin and >has not been been accepted before the mid of the last century. > Benedikt You're right. Thanks for enlightening me. Tammy " 6574,10,"From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week Originator: jpc@condor Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510 Distribution: na Lines: 23 In article , mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes: |> United States TV Schedule: |> April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone) |> April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones) |> April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone) |> April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN |> April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN |> April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN Does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local broadcast rights are being protected? I'd really love to see the Bruins a couple times, and with this pro-Patrick bias shown by ESPN something tells me that I will have to wait until the conference finals to see them :-}. -JPC -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Curcio Go Bruins! Philips Laboratories jpc@philabs.philips.com 345 Scarborough Road (914) 945-6442 Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 " 6575,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 17 In article randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes: >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. Let's distinguish _real_ logistical problems (like being stranded on a desert island) from _excuses_ (such as waiting for so-and-so's brother to come back from being in the army so he can be in the ceremony)... -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 6576,10,"From: aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich) Subject: west coast NHL playoff games Reply-To: aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 28 Us easterners who have newspapers with editors unsympathetic to playoff pools, often don't get summaries from west coast games since they finish too late at night for the morning edition. I (and I'm sure others too) would greatly appreciate it if scoring summaries of west coast playoff games could be posted to this group right away. basically, all we need are goal scorers and assists, don't bother with times, penalties, shots etc... this would make a lot of pool-obsessed people very happy. I guess with the Senators out golfing now, the local papers have lost interest. ;-) thanks. kd. -- " 6577,19,"From: ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) Subject: Re: Christian Owned Organization list Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr13.025426.22532@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >In article <47749@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> shopper@ucsd.edu writes: >> >>Does anyone have or know where I can find a list of christian-owned >>corporations and companies? One that I know of is WordPerfect. > >I believe that WordPerfect is actually owned by the Mormons. Sorry, but Mormons aren't generally considered to be Christians. >-- >=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= >=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= >=""Do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade? A perfume that whispers, = >='please come back to me'? I'm looking for something in Green.""-Laurie Morgan= " 6578,2,"Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card From: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner) Reply-To: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Lines: 37 In article <1qms3c$37t@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes: >After setting up Windows for using my Cirrus Logic 5426 VLB GraphicsCard >It moved a normal Window from one place to another... >...What I was wondering why is it not using the BITBLT Engine which >is suuposed to be on the Chip. >How are the experiences here.. >Have I done something wrong ? The 5426 has its own set of drivers. You may be using the drivers intended for the 5420 or 5422 by mistake. Be sure you have the 5426 driver version 1.2 >(I installed the MSWIN 3.1 MultiResolution drivers which where supplied >with the Card ?!) Don't quote me on this one, but I'd steer clear of the multi resolution driver that allows you to change resolution without exiting Windows. I think it's buggy. >Also if there are new(hopefully faster) drrivers around I would love to >how to get hold of them :-) (ftp or whatsoever :-) ) Version 1.3 drivers are due to be release by Cirrus soon. Unfortunately, their not available via FTP, you have to dial up their BBS in the USA. I do this from NZ using a 14.4k modem to cut down on phone bills. It took me around 7 minutes to download the v1.2 driver. Good Luck, Andy Gardner, Wellington, New Zealand Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara, Aotearoa " 6579,15,"From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 66 evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >Yes, I suppose it is true that people make mistakes. It is interesting to >note that in those long ago OT days, if you weren't 100% correct in >your prophecies, people got very mad and you were no longer believed, >even put to death. This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the NT, it is expected that when believers gather, - people will prophesy - the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29) There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake. >To say that we make mistakes is true. To say that we make mistakes >while filled with the spirit is not true. Were that true, the entire >Bible, having been written by men inspired by God would be subject also >to those errors, for what is prophecy but like those revelations given >in scripture? Scripture is scripture; there is no ""gift of scripture"". And I don't know about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts! When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case, they'll have a better handle on it the next time. Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes. Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience. >Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying ""God told >me this"" and ""Jesus told me that""? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed -- but God is not silent! >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call >that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge? I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to >talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse? Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise. -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ****************************************************************** " 6580,8,"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (1) Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: na Organization: NOT Lines: 20 davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: ]In article <1076@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: ]>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: ][bozo posts GIFS to rec.moto] ]>he and his postmaster are also gonna get 500 copies of the post in their ]>mailboxes. ] ] Hey, it's a great picture. You can't fault his taste, only his ]technique. Chill out and educate instead of getting your panties in a ]bunch. ditto to you Dave. I'm using the picture as the bacground on my sun, and I haven't sent a single message to the guy. looks like you get to keep the panties. -- Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org Austin, TX WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE. -- Posted in a radioactive isotope research lab (from r.h.f) " 6581,13,"From: matthews@Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) Subject: Re: GETTING AIDS FROM ACUPUNCTURE NEEDLES Reply-To: matthews@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 22 In article <1r4f8b$euu@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > > someone wrote in expressing concern about getting AIDS from acupuncture > needles..... > >Unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who >themselves has AIDS..it is unlikely (not impossible) they will get AIDS >from acupuncture needles. Generally, even if accidently inoculated, the normal >immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant >involved with acupuncture needle insertion. > Isn't this what HIV is about - the ""normal immune response"" to an exposure? >Most acupuncturists use disposable needles...use once and throw away. I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back. The needles were taken from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT sterile or even clean for that matter. More than likely they were fresh from the previous patient. I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut. I probably should have raised hell! Any comments? No excuses. " 6582,4,"From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Quadra 900/950 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 26 hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) writes: >>>Quarda 900 is a popular misspelling of Quadra 900, which has a 25 MHz 040 >>>processor. The 950 has a 33 MHz 040, and some local buses on the >>>motherboard run faster. >>The video is different also. The 950 can run a 13"" and I believe a 16"" >>monitor in 16 bit color without a VRAM upgrade. > Actually, you could put as much VRAM into a Q900 as you want and you >still won't be able to get 16-bit color, on any monitor. It's not part >of the on-board video. The Q950, however, can use 16-bit video on >monitors up to 19"" with 2MB of VRAM. >-Hades Yes, but if you upgrade the VRAM in a 900 you get 24 bit color. So you really don't care. My point is that out the box the 950 has more video capability for the same size monitors. The 900 can do 24 bit with both 13"" and 16"", doesn't support 19"", and does 8 bit on 21"" monitors. " 6583,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services Distribution: inet In-Reply-To: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu's message of 21 Apr 1993 00:36:44 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 24 In article <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu> shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) writes: In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: >Finally, because there is essentially no possibility of intercepting in >realtime the scrutable content of communications between stolen instruments, >there will exist strong motivation to record and archive _all_ communications >in the network for ex-post-facto scrutiny (once some criminal act is >discovered, and the instruments involved have been identified). ""All"" is a *very* big number. The AT&T Long Distance network has around 20,000 T3 trunks (45 Mbit/sec), which is on the order of 10**12 bits/sec. That doesn't even count the amount of traffic in the LOCAL phone companies, or our long-distance competitors. It's about 200 Exabytes tapes / second, which is pretty large even for the NSA :-) On the other hand, I can easily see them recording the traffic for ""interesting"" people, such as dissidents, suspected criminals, foreign telephone calls, and anybody noticed using encryption. As Ken Shiriff speculates, recording encrypted traffic will probably be judged not to be an invasion of privacy pretty soon .... -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 6584,19,"From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US Lines: 42 caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) writes: > kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes: > > >I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel ""Sarum"" a scene in > >which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a > >secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered > >with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on > >the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the > >worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of > >rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is > >related to the Mithras cult? > > > >I don't know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter. > >The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which > >take place are largely based on historical accounts. > > There is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell's > _Occidental_Mythology_. He also described levels of initiation, I think > 6? I don't know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he > was being a little eclectic. > > >I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull > >cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some > >Mediterranean cultures. > > Quite a bit. If you haven't read Campbell, give him a try. > > -- > -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 > Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 Yes. I cannot remeber which works I read about this in, as it was many years ago. This ritual was called The Tarobaullum I believe, (The spelling may be off). Pope Charles ------------------ popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles) Origin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350 " 6585,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: More technical details Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Lines: 15 srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate) writes: > >Now, I'm not one of the people who distrusts the government at every >turn, but taking someone's word for it that the S1/S2 pairs are not kept >around is pushing what I'm willing to believe just a little bit too far. > Even if they somehow address this issue it is unlikely to be the only back door in -- they might even have a few intentionally visible to distract from the ones that aren't visible. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 6586,1,"From: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Toby Freeman,TJF,G151,3344813,OCT95, ) Subject: Re: CorelDraw BITMAP to SCODAL (2) Nntp-Posting-Host: borneo Reply-To: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Computing Science, Glasgow University, Glasgow. Lines: 52 In article 1r4gmgINN8fm@zephyr.grace.cri.nz, srlnjal@grace.cri.nz () writes: > >Yes I am aware CorelDraw exports in SCODAL... >... but if you try to export in SCODAL with a bitmap >it will say something like ""cannot export... >...If anyone out there knows a way around this >I am all ears. I think one (not ideal) solution is to use the tracing utility (can't remember the name, sorry!) included in the Corel Draw s/w pack. It can convert bitmaps to Corel art format. These can then be imported into a drawing rather than the bitmap. Result - the file is completely in Corel format and can be SCODAL'ed no problem! BUT the slight problem with this, which makes the solution less than idea, is that the trace utility spits out many more points than are necessary to define the shapes being traced. Straight lines and curves are both traced as many short segments. So... the SCODAL taking *much* longer to image. The obvious solution is time-consuming - stripping out the extra points by hand using Corel. OUCH! I've done it a few times :-] >...I was just wondering if there was anything out there >that just did the bitmap to SCODAL part a tad cheaper. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Jeff Lyall As I say, if you don't mind the problems, go via the route... BITMAP -> COREL (VIA TRACE) -> HAND TRIMMING (USING COREL)!!! -> COMBINE WITH MAIN COREL PIC (VIA IMPORT) -> SCODAL Cheers, Toby ____________________________________._.____._.__________._.__________._.______ ____________________________________! \__/ !__________!_!__________! !______ ___! !___! . \/ . !___.__.___._.___.___._.! !__.___ ___! Toby Freeman !___! !\ /! !__/ __ \__! !__/ .__!_!. .__!___ ___! Glasgow University !___! !_\/_! !_! !__! !_! !_! <__.___! !______ ___! freemant@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs !___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !__\___ \__! !______ ___!____________________________!___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !_.____> !_! !__.___ ____________________________________!_!____!_!__\____/__!_!_!_____/___\___!___ " 6587,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 14 In article , alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) wrote: > Judging from postings I've read all over Usenet and on non-Usenet > BBs conferences, Barney is DEFINITELY an endangered species. Especially > if he runs into me in a dark alley. Please, please don't make Barney to a modern martyr/saviour mythical figure. I detest this being, and if humans will create a religion in his name, then life will be unbearable :-). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 6588,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA My comments about the Feingold Diet have no relevance to your daughter's purported FrostedFlakes-related seizures. I can't imagine why you included it. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 6589,2,"From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: Save my hard disk?! (allocation error, cross-linked) Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 137 Brad Banko writes: >While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1 >this evening, I got a ""program has violated system integrity... close all >applications, exit windows and restart your computer"" error. Gawd, I love Windows :-) >1) Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order? >What might be some better approaches? You'll probably want to delete any damaged executables and reload them fresh. Data files should be examined and repaired. >2) What might have caused this? Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more >vulnerable? (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they >cache data writing.) You're not stupid. Smartdrive caches things, and Windows also runs a swap file which may contain data also. All of this is pretty risky stuff in a PC environment. >The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to >fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows >and a few other things. A reasonably accurate prediction... Here's a brief description of how DOS stores files: There are three pieces to a file. The directory entry, the FAT chain, and the data area. You can think of these as a sheet of lined notebook paper, a sheet of graph paper, and a stack of 3X5 cards. The directory entry (notebook paper) holds the file name, actual size, and first cluster number. It also holds some other information that's not important right now. The File Allocation Table (FAT) chain (graph paper) tells where to find the actual data. Each square of graph paper holds a number. If the number is zero, the cluster associated with this box is available. If it holds a ""magic"" number, it is either the last piece of a file or a bad (unuseable) spot on the disk. Any other number tells which cluster contains the next section of the file. The data area (3X5 cards) is where the actual information is stored. The data area is organized as clusters of a fixed size; storage is doled out in ""chunks"" of one cluster each. (In your case, one cluster is 2048 bytes.) As a cluster is filled, another is allocated. To read a file, you first look at the directory entry to get the starting cluster number. Now you read the data from that cluster. Next, look at the FAT entry for the cluster you just read. This will tell you the cluster number for the next chunk of the file. Naturally, these numbers are usually sequential, but they can jump around and even go backwards. Continue reading, one cluster at a time, as you walk this chain through the FAT, until you hit the marker which says it's the last cluster in the file. CHKDSK is the DOS utility that checks the sanity and coherence of the directories and the FAT and can bludgeon most flaws into submission. It doesn't have any intelligence, so you have to double-check anything it ""fixes"". Now let's do a bit of a post-mortem: >C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE >C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT >C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG >C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG >C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG >C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X >C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE > Allocation error, size adjusted All of these files have sizes (according to the FAT) which don't match the size reported in their directory entries. CHKDSK /F will alter the directory entries to match the FAT size. (In other words, the directory entry for CVPIC.EXE may say the file is 64,877 bytes long. But CHKDSK found a FAT chain of 43 clusters attached to it. (My numbers, obviously, are made up.)) > 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains. > 647168 bytes disk space would be freed Disk space was found which is allocated in the FAT, but is not attached to any directory entry. CHKDSK /F gives you the option of converting these ""lost chains"" to files. You can then examine the files (FILE0000.CHK through FILE0223.CHK) and rename or discard them. Or, if you tell CHKDSK _not_ to convert them to files, then those clusters will simply be marked ""available"" in the FAT. >C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE > Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 ... >C:\386SPART.PAR > Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 These files are both referencing the _same_ data cluster. Obviously, one of them (at least) must be wrong. It's interesting to note that C:\386SPART.PAR is your Windows swap file... To fix this, you should copy each cross-linked file to a new name. This will ""fix"" the cross-link by giving the files unique data spaces. Now delete the cross-linked files. Examine the copies and try to assemble them properly. Good luck. (Hint: ""Missing pieces"" are likely to be found in those ""lost chains"" at the top...) > 42366976 bytes total disk space > 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files > 153600 bytes in 67 directories > 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files > 1564672 bytes available on disk Your disk is pretty close to full. This may be the actual cause of the problem; perhaps Windows needed to expand its swapfile by an amount which exceeded available disk space... In any case, the short summary is that something trashed your FAT. There are utilities that can mirror your FAT and help repair damage after something like this, but you have to run them _before_ the problem occurs. Sorry. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! " 6590,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 47 It's all my fault. I am in violation of one of my own rules: ""Avoid FollowingUp to a Barf posting."" In article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >>through private contributions on Federal land"". Your hate-mongering >>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content >>and social value. Down the toilet it goes..... >And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things >concerning Israel. Those damned, spiking Israelists, right, Barfling? >Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to ""Trained Seals""? You mean the ones that flap their flippers making ""Arf, Arf! Arf, Arf!"" sounds? >recognize the statement that these ""private funds"" were all tax exmpt. In >otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And >finalyy, how does ""Federal land"" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien >monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money >to a foreign entity? In your own diseased mind, you now seem to believe that tax exemption is equivalent to government funding. Holy Shit, Batman! The US government is now one of the major supporters of the Catholic Church -- in violation of the rules of separation of Church and State! >That ""Federal land"" and tax money could have been used to commerate >Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans. Quick, Bill! Commandeer all the churches and give them to the People! Or does your anti-logic only apply to the mosques belonging to what you have described as ""Ragheads"" or perhaps the synagogues of those you have characterized as ""Hymies""? -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 6591,9,"From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu In article <1993Apr14.153137.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: > >If the Braves >continue to average 3 runs a game, then 3 is where they will finish. > P. Tierney So, if the Braves run production falls to 1 per game, which is certainly where it's headed (if they're lucky), does that mean they'll finish first? -- @econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke. s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u " 6592,8,From: schultz@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Schultz) Subject: Re: Honda CB400F For Sale Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 5 I wanted to let people know that this motorcycle has been sold. Thanks for your inquiries. --Dave Schultz 6593,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Christians that are not church members Organization: Indiana University Lines: 51 Here are some notes about what the church is to be like and some helpful ideas about how to choose a church: Colossians 1:15-18 A. Jesus is the head of the body, the church B. You cannot say ""yes"" to Jesus, but ""no"" to the church Ephesians 2:19-22 A. The church is the family of God B. The church is based on the Word of God only Cornerstone=Christ Foundation= Apostles=New Testament Prophets=Old Testament (see Revelation 21:9-14) 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 A. Baptism is when we become a member of the church As for the question of denominations: A. The Bible teaches that there is only ONE church from Ephesians 4:4-6, Romans 12:4-5, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13 B. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 says that there should be no divisions in the church. There should be no following of personalities in the church (and in time, their writings) C. There are so many churches today because of a problem. 2 Timothy 4:1-4 says that people will turn away from the truth and try to find a church that teaches a doctrine that suits their lifestyle Hebrews 10:24-25 A. Do not miss church B. Purpose is to encourage each other, so we will remain faithful. Involved on a relationship level in the church C. Must come to ALL services Another verse which is helpful is Hebrews 3:12-15. The church should be encouraging daily, as it is their duty to do. Of course, more standards apply: 1 Timothy 4:16 People in the church should be watching their lives and doctrines to make sure they both live up to the Word entirely (ie, disciples). Acts 17:10-12 The pastor does not come close to the Apostle Paul (natural conclusion since the Apostle Paul talked with Jesus directly face to face), so if the Bereans, who were considered noble, didn't take Paul at his word but checked out what he said with Scripture to verify his statements, then church members are to do the same and verify the pastor's statements. If they are not verifiable or valid in light of other verses, then that group should be avoided as a church (would've made a wonderful suggestion to the Waco group, especially in light of Matthew 24). Joe Fisher " 6594,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 62 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: That's all very well and good, but I was refering to all >: homocides, not just ones involving handguns (what is this fixation >: on death by shooting, as if it were somehow worse than death >: by stabbing?) >What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate?... >The issue is guns, not baseball bats. No. The issue is reducing crime, not guns. If gun control doesn't lower crime overall, then is doesn't address the issue. >...Even a simpleton knows that >he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat... Does that matter if assaults with a baseball bat become much more common? Muggers using a gun rely primarily on the threat of the gun, and rarely shoot their victim. A mugger using a knife is much more likely to start by stabbing his victim in an effort incapacitate him. So, while a knif may not be as deadly as a gun, criminals are more likely to actually _use_ the knife (as opposed to threatening the victim with it.) It isn't at all clear that replacing the criminal's gun with a knife would reduce murders. Stabbings might just become more common. That's why it is important to look at the overall (not the with-gun) homicide rate. It avoids the issue of substitution, different criminal techinques of using different weapons, etc... and measures what we want to prevent: Murders. >As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife >than a gun, thanks. ""Face""? Possibly. However, facing knife-welding attackers isn't too common: Stabbing without warning and by supprise is the usual tactic. Very few criminals shoot from cover: It attracts to much attention and they don't have a chance to go through your pockets. Overall, I'd much rather be threatened with a gun than actually stabbed with a knife. >...Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't >another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have >much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife >assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants). Actually, the exact same statement is true of guns: Training in unarmed self-defence will let you disarm an untrained gunman without much problem. You also ignore the criminal's reaction: The National Crime Survey clearly shows that criminals (unarmed, armed with a knife, gun or whatever) are unwilling to risk their lives in a confrontation. If faced with a serious threat, almost all prefer to leave and find an easier target. Therefore, using (or threatening to use, as is much more commonly the case) a weapon _is_ the best defence against an attacker, regardless of how he is armed. Knives, however, are much less effective than guns: Criminals don't consider knifes as a ""serious threat"" nearly as often as they do guns. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 6595,10,"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 9 Originator: icop@csa I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. I'm hoping this leads to a regular-season contract. My guess would be is that it will be roughly a weekly game from Feb.-April and then the playoffs. I envy you Canadians with your TSN & CBC. Maybe I'll get a dish to pick up Canadian TV. How much are those things, BTW? " 6596,16,"From: cntrspy@netcom.com (Executive Protection Assoc) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: usa Lines: 32 /////// And we thought the unfortunate people in the Branch Dividians were Brainwashed ?? They don't hold a candle to this guy...... D:d :wq B /////////////////////////////////// Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: : What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of : had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the : compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. : : The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored : transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use : more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to : do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they : must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. : : With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed : more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is : the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look : at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country : of ours. : : With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with : mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few : women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn : to death 51 days later. : " 6597,2,"From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: Can I Change """"Licensed To"""" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Clark University Lines: 15 This is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to: information of MS-Windows... In a previous article, 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: > > ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can >write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I I can find it with a HEX editor, although I have not tried to overwrite it. Are you sure it can't be? You may be mistaken about this. (???) Rob rmohns@vax.clarku.edu " 6598,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 18 In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the >last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods >anyway? I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it. It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows when the second coming will take place. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 6599,18,"From: alaramor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Laramore) Subject: Re: race and violence Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 29 Joe, As usual, this issue of dysfunction, of bad values, of messed up culture is easily embraced by non african americans when it comes to explaining problems in our community. From your post, you apparently find the idea that something is wrong with African Americans, value-wise, culture wise or something, very appealing. I never cease to be amazed at how eager non african americans are to embrace theories about our problems which basically assert that something is wrong with us. The socio-economic factors which we know help to produce high crime levels, like poverty, which exists among us in large proportion, I mean when it comes to discussion of african american problems, we somehow become exempt from all these types of factors, and the problem is laid at the doorstep of some neboulous dysfunction we supposedly have. But nobody attributes crime amongst white americans to dysfunction. No, that has socioeconomic factors to it, but for africa americans, its gotta be a dysfunction. Basically, I think this tendency for non african americans to believe that something is wrong with us exists because non african americans don't want to deal with the possiblility that the society is deeply biased against african americans, and that this is about 80% of the problem. It could not possible be that the society is so deeply racist and structured against us, that this has a very effective negative effect on us. No, something is wrong with us. Non african americans are quick to disregard what we have to say, because they are so busy trying to find something wrong with us, instead of taking a good hard look at the thing we say are doing us damage. I would get angry if it werent' so damn typical. Peace - Aaron " 6600,19,"From: lanphi872@moscow.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 104 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: : I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for : the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to : all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of : Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made : obsolete by Jesus. Just for reference, here's the earlier quote: Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9 and Deuteronomy 22:20-25: : These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had : expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a : direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God : is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately : punishable. : Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to : God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in : the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There : is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And : not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew : and Gentile alike. These are two conflicting statements. To say one is a clarification of the other is a breach of logic. I don't mind people shifting their position on an issue. It irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change was made. What about Deuteronomy 22:20-25? Is it wrong now? Did Jesus change that? : If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the : following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon : the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended. Sure he does this. However, he doesn't address the notion of stoning non-virgin brides, because this needs no clarification. Are you going to deny that Deuteronomy 22:20-25 is not patently clear in its intent? : I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of : modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe : in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart? I'll agree that there is a lot of modern day Pharisees that know the Bible from end to end and don't believe in it. Depending on how they use this knowledge, they can be scary. They can argue any position they desire, and back it up with selected parts of the Bible. Such Pharisees include David Koresh and Adolph Hitler. I will qualify this by saying *I don't know* if they actually believed what they were preaching, but the ends certainly made the means look frightening. However, just as scary are those that don't know much of the Bible, but believe every word. In fact, this is probably scarier, since there are far more of these people, from what I've seen. In addition, they are very easy to manipulate by the aforementioned Pharisees, since they don't know enough to debate with these people. : Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's : perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will. No, it demands obedience to a book. If God came down and personally told me how I should behave, then I would say that I would be doing God's will by doing it. However, if preachers, pastors, and evangelists tell me to obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to two millenia (even longer for the OT), even if I follow everything in it with my heart, I could scarcely be honest with myself by saying I'm doing the will of God. : Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is : their choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too. Well, if God respects it so much, how come there is talk in the Bible about eternal damnation for non-believers? I see little respect eminating from the god of the Bible. I see a selfish and spiteful god. : God be with you, Not yours, thanks ;) : Malcolm Lee :) Rob Lanphier lanphi872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu lanph872@uidaho.edu And for the curious, here is my earlier post: > Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure > quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several > other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't > clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the > verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot: > > ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have > not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until > heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke > of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is > accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments > and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of > heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called > great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your > righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, > you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."" (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in > pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking) > This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament > doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so > much ;). " 6601,15,"From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 24 Someone writing anonymously asks: > Would you have become a Christian if you had not > been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about > any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim > you are brain washed. I *did* become a Christian without having been indoctrinated by my parents, and having studied Buddhism fairly carefully and other religions to a lesser degree. I made a decision to accept the truth-claims of Christianity after having given it a lot of thought. (I have to point out that the process was not purely a cold, rational one: there was a powerful experiential element as well. Also, my Calvinist should rest assured that I don't lay any of the responsibility for the outcome [my conversion] on anyone but God.) It took me years and years for this all to happen, because I had many of the objections that this poster puts forward. I grew up in the shadow of [generic authoritarian conservative denomination], and I *knew* that that wasn't a way of life that I could adopt. But I gradually learned not to tar all of Christianity with the same brush, and realized quite suddenly one cold winter night that I accepted what I had heretofore rejected. I am quite certain that I was not ""brain-washed"". bill hovingh " 6602,8,"From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 23 In rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes: ;In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes: ; ;>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley. ;>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my ;>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each ;>other, from what I can tell. ; ; When we take a hand off the bars we fall down! The problem is that Squids and BadAssBikers can't recognize each other's waves. When you're riding a cruiser, you ""wave"" by lifting two or three fingers of the left hand, without first removing that hand from the handlebar. When you're riding a crotch rocket, you lower the left hand to about ankle level, palm forward, and call that a wave. Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell when they're waving. --- chris " 6603,8,"From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) Subject: Splitfire Plugs... Kinda Offical... Summary: Supposed ""Higher power output"". Distribution: rec.motorcycles Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 54 Yo, Whaz up!!! Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well, I saw one think that someone said about ""Show me a team that used Split- fires...."" Well, here's some additional insight and some theories about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages. Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires increased performance by increasing TORQUE. They weren't focusing on horsepower numbers. Now how does this related to us high performance pilots? Well, that depends. Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine? In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque, but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low. So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power. But what about twins?... Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins, but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992). However, twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands. So how does this translate? Increased torque should ""theoretically"" help twins make more power. Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods or anything made, just stick 'em in. Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than 4's. As far as racing teams.... Ducati team ""Fast by Ferraci"" used splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then. Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88..... Peace. Warren wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Have Suzuki, will travel..."" At a local ""fix-er-up-er"" shop, the bike repairest looked at a dumped ZX-7. Then he asked the guy... ""What happened..."" ""I dumped the clutch..."" ""How fast..."" ""Pretty fast..."" ""Insurance..."" ""Nope."" The fixer smiled..... ""What do you know about bikes?"" ""Not much....."" " 6604,2,"From: ran@doc.ic.ac.uk (Robert A Nicholls) Subject: VB to MSACCESS DDE communications Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK. Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk A couple of weeks ago I posted a question concerning communicating between VB and MSACCESS using DDE. The answers I received at that time allowed me to get a prototype of my project working. However, during this process I have come up with new problems. 1) There seems to be a limit of 255 characters for a DDE Topic string. Is this inherent in all DDE systems or just peculiar to MSACCESS or VB? 2) It is easy to query an Access database from VB using the DDE SQL command, (provided the above limitation is overcome by using short field and table names) but how is one meant to update a database? a) A DDE SQL UPDATE command does not seem to work. b) Initiating an Access macro using a DDE Execute command from VB cannot be used because when the macro requests information from VB using a second DDE channel the programs dead lock until time- outs occur. (The VB to Access channel has to close before the Access to VB channel is initiated, I guess.) c) Access does not allow VB to DDE POKE the information. The way I eventually managed to update a database was by sending key- strokes from VB to Access using the SendKeys command. This technique has the problem that Access cannot be minimised and it must always be in a state ready to respond to the sequence of key-strokes VB sends. Are all the above statements correct or have I made incorrect assumptions? Are there any better work arounds to the above? Are there any signs of an ODBC driver for Access? Bob ran@doc.ic.ac.uk " 6605,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: > >Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their >fingers. Yah. So? >Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his >future. He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow in the World Series? All of the ones he started? >Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. >And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. I'm willing to bet they don't finish sixth. I'm also willing to bet they don't finish first. And if you give me 3-2 odds, I'm willing to bet that they finish ahead of the Blue Jays. -Valentine " 6606,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.022222.28105@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes: # Actually, I was rather surprised to see an article on this subject # (i.e. the ""new, inproved"" survey saying that roughly 1% of men are gay) # on the front page of The New York _Times_ recently (I think it was # on Thurs, 15 April). The headline was something to the effect of # ""New Survey Finds 1% of Men Are Gay"" # # I was shocked, not because the New York _Times_ was running a story # on a sex survey (although that was part of it), but because they thought # that this news was actually important enough to warrant front page space. # I mean, how many people actually CARE how many people are gay (as long as # you know how to find/avoid them if you want to)? I don't. If you don't care, why was so much effort put into promoting the 10% lie? Because it was important to scare politicians into obedience. # -Matt -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 6607,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I've just completed a successful upgrade of a an SI to 27.5 mhz. I'm waiting on delivery of a 62 mhz clock for a final speed trial. Definitely needed the heatsink. The CPU was quite hot to the touch at higher speeds until I glued on a 90 cent Radio Shack sink. I made a call for reports of failures last week. No reports have arrived here. Locally, in Seattle there is a reported CPU damage due to the user slipping with the iron and putting a gash into the board -- not exactly a problem due to the CPU running too fast. I think it would be nice to have a poll to report top speeds and system configurations including PDS and Nubus cards which were used. I'd be happy to coordinate and report results Guy Kuo " 6608,6,"From: bartmich@cwis.isu.edu (BARTA_MICHAEL_D.) Subject: 1989 Honda Accord LX Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cwis.isu.edu ************* 1989 HONDA ACCORD LX *************** Light Brown, Four Door Power Windows, Power Brakes Power Locks, Power Steering, Power Antenna AM/FM Cassette, Totally Cloth Interior. VERY NICE! 70,000 miles but excellent condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Must Sell, quit my job to go back to school. Blue book $9,200 in IDAHO Asking only $8,000 OBO email bartmich@cwis.isu.edu Phone 208-233-8039 Pocatello, Idaho -- :-> From Michael Barta's AMIGA2000 <-: send email to :-> I.S.U. Electronics Student <-: bartmich@cwis.isu.edu " 6609,9,"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: harry and candy Distribution: world,local Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 >But I like the way he butchers Andres Galarraga's name. Y'all lighten up on Harry, Skip'll be like that in a couple of years!!> >It comes out like ""gahlah rrrraggggah"". >And don't forget his frequent references to the great SF Giant star >Bobby Bonds! Harry's a great personality. He's the reason I like Cubs broadcasts. (It's certainly not the quality of the team). Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu " 6610,9,"From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: 1-dimensional teams (was Re: Royals final run total... Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 43 Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda) says: > >I've been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the >net for a while I figured I'd stick my neck out a bit... > >The Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL >team since the inception of the DH rule. (p.s. any ideas what this is?) > >They will fall easily short of 600 runs, that's for damn sure. I can't >believe these media fools picking them to win the division (like our >Tom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of >genius for the trades/aquisitions he's made) Would you say the same thing about the Dodgers in '65 or '66? True, Cone is probably as good as Drysdale, and they have no Koufax, but still, these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals, with lots of low-scoring games, etc. And they didn't use relievers, whereas Jeff Montgomery is having a super season for them. That being said, I still picked them 5th or so, but I think a superb pitching team can win if they have enough hitting. There's more of a chance of that, I think, than of a team with tremendous hitting but no pitching. At least, to me. I wonder, though - which one do you people think would do better - a team with Johnson, Koufax in his prime, Seaver, Carlton, and Young, in no real order, as the starters, with Sutter, Fingers, and Lyle in the bullpen, but with a puny offense (assuming good defense, like Mazeroski, Maranville, etc.) Or a team with poor pitching, but with an offense of Cobb, Carew, Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Schmidt, Wagner, and Bench - again,you pick the order. I would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by seasons' end. Even the best hitters can succeed only 2/5 of the time in their best years, but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts - taking all the players in their prime, they might throw 50 shutouts in a year. And all the offense would have to do is get 1 run across. I wonder if someone with Stratomatic or something could plug such all- time teams into a regular season, have it played, and report the results I would love to see that. -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: ""Mommys and Daddys & other Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"" " 6611,13,"From: mjliu@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Ming-zhou Liu) Subject: H E L P M E ---> desperate with some VD Organization: Dep. Computer Science & Engin. of Chiao Tung U., Taiwan, ROC Lines: 20 I have bad luck and got a VD called , which involves the growth of granules in the groin. I found out about it by checking medicine books and I found the prescriptions. And I know I can just go to a clinic to get it cured. BUT unfortunately I am serving my duty in the army right now and I think it's impossible to prevent anyone from knowing this if I take leaves every day for two weeks for treatment. Thus I bought the prescribed tablets at some drugstore, but to cure it I must get INJECTION of , with a dose of 1g every 12 hours, for at least 10 days. I can probably buy the tools and this solution somewhere but I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO INJECTION BY MYSELF ! Can any kind people here tell me: If it's possible to do it? Can I do it on my arm? or it must be done on the hip only?? Any info is welcome and please write me or post your help SOON!! (I am already taking the tablets ..and I can't wait!!) Please don't flame me for posting this, and don't judge me. I've learned a lesson and all I need now is REAL MEDICAL HELP. Desperate from Taipei " 6612,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes: > A BILL > > To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and > to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and > to provide for the enforcement of such right. Maybe I'm too ""religious,"" but when I see a bill to ""establish a right,"" I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 6613,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.214406.29128 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 18 In article lloyd@uclink.berkeley.edu (Lloyd Nebres) writes: >>>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) > >Indeed, if the color teal on a team's uniforms is any indication of the >future, the Marlins are in dire trouble! Refer to the San Jose Sharks for >proof... But I have hope for the Marlins. I was a sometime member of the >Rene Lachemann fan club at the Oakland Coliseum, and have a deep respect >for the guy. He's a gem. And, of course, Walt Weiss gives that franchise >class. But yeah... whoever designed those uniforms was guilty of a paucity >of style and imagination. Ugghhh! Maybe I'm just a child of the 80's, but I really liked the Marlins' uniforms. The helmets shine nicely in the sun. It's enough to make me a fan. -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal " 6614,11,"From: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) Subject: Clipper Crap Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 17 >encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the >privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield >criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just a random passing thought, but can anyone cite a documented use of encryption technology by criminals and terrorists. (Excluding the Iran-Contra Gang) -- Shaun P. Hughes sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key " 6615,0,"From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >If Saddam believed in God, he would pray five times a >day. > >Communism, on the other hand, actually committed genocide in the name of >atheism, as Lenin and Stalin have said themselves. These two were die >hard atheist (Look! A pun!) and believed in atheism as an integral part >of communism. No, Bobby. Stalin killed millions in the name of Socialism. Atheism was a characteristic of the Lenin-Stalin version of Socialism, nothing more. Another characteristic of Lenin-Stalin Socialism was the centralization of food distribution. Would you therefore say that Stalin and Lenin killed millions in the name of rationing bread? Of course not. >More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. In earlier posts you stated that true (Muslim) believers were incapable of evil. I suppose if you believe that, you could reason that no one has ever been killed in the name of religion. What a perfect world you live in, Bobby. >One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving >God a form. God does not have a ""face"". Bobby is referring to a rather obscure law in _The Good Atheist's Handbook_: Law XXVI.A.3: Give that which you do not believe in a face. You must excuse us, Bobby. When we argue against theism, we usually argue against the Christian idea of God. In the realm of Christianity, man was created in God's image. -- |""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | Kevin Marshall Sophomore, Computer Science | | Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA USA marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu | |____________________________________________________________________| " 6616,3,"From: disteli@inf.ethz.ch (Andreas Reto Disteli) Subject: S3 Nntp-Posting-Host: lillian-gw Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 40 Re: Problems with S3-initialization As described the manual the following steps must be done for th initialization of the S3 card. InitDisplay; (*BIOS-Call with AX-Reg = 4F02H with BX-Reg = 105H for 1024 x 768 x 256 resolution Interrupt 10H *) Unlock Register Lock 1 (CR38) (* For access to S3 Register Set *) Unlock Register Lock 2 (CR39) (* For access to Syst. Control and Syst. Extension Register *) Unlock Graphic Command Group (CR40) (* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Syst. Configuration Register *) Unlock Advanced Display Functions (* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Function Control Register *) After these operations the FIFO-stack of the S3 should be empty. When we watch the status (Graph. Proc. Status), we always get the value 0FH instead of 0H. Full would mean 0FFH (8 places occupied), empty would mean 0H (0 places occupied). It is possible to read this register in two different ways. Both times we get different results. Our machine is a 486 DX/2 with EISA bus and a S3 86C805 local bus. --> any ideas? Andreas Disteli Institut fuer Computersysteme, ETH Zuerich email: disteli@inf.ethz.ch " 6617,12,From: mtearle@gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au Well here in Australia you dial 11544 to get the number read back to you if you live in the country include the area code of the nearest capital city eg for wa 09 11544 Yours Mark -- #***********************************************************************# # Mark Tearle | # # | # email: mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au | 6618,2,"From: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server Lines: 17 In comp.os.ms-windows.misc, gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner) writes: In article <1qms3c$37t@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes: >Version 1.3 drivers are due to be release by Cirrus soon. >Unfortunately, their not available via FTP, you have to dial >up their BBS in the USA. I do this from NZ using a 14.4k modem >to cut down on phone bills. It took me around 7 minutes to >download the v1.2 driver. Could you please upload to any of the ftp sites (such as ftp.ciaca.indiana.edu) and announce it here? This will benefit people does not have access to their BBS in USA (like me :-))? Thanks a lot. - Beng Hang Tay " 6619,17,"From: B8HA000 Subject: Zionism is Racism Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. Steve " 6620,18,"From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) Subject: Re: Stop The SeXularHumanistOppression { former my beloved Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over} Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 31 In article <15APR199303031064@reg.triumf.ca> vincent@reg.triumf.ca (pete) writes: >In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu >(Brent Irvine) writes... >` >` ""54-40"" or fight was about a territorial dispute with >` British Canada, again OLD STUFF. > >Uh, not quite. The 54/40' boundary dispute is still unresolved, >and Canadian and US Coast Guard vessels regularly if infrequently >detain each other's fish boats in the disputed waters off Dixon >Entrance. The only reason you don't hear more about it is that >it's in neither country's interest to aggravate the quarrel. >That doesn't mean that either country is prepared to back down, >especially the local political representatives whose constituents >are all fishermen. Fishing rights are disputed. Between 2 nations, no matter *how* friendly, there is ALWAYS fishing disputes. What I was getting at was the 54 40' or fight slogan is OLD STUFF dealing with the LAND dispute. No one is saying 54 40' or fight about fishing rights. The territorial dispute about the Oregon Territory (we called it) is LONG resolved. Fishing rights...small potatoes. -- <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> " 6621,17,"From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Summary: Davidsson can't even get the most basic facts right. Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 27 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: > >[...] >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking his/her sources does not deserve to be believed. The Gaza strip does not possess the highest population density in the world. In fact, it isn't even close. Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly of this statement: the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area. The centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher, population densities. Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,... Need I go on? The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the truth than this oft-repeated statement is. -- ""How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee."" -Tim Rice,""Chess"" Eric S. Perlman Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder " 6622,17,"X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R From: ""D. C. Sessions"" Organization: Nobody but me -- really Subject: Rules of Engagement (was: 18 Israelis murdered in March Distribution: world Lines: 77 In <1993Apr8.212737.19245@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU wrote: # # In article <1993Apr8.143232@frej.teknikum.uu.se>, flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: # |> In article <1993Apr6.150829.6425@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: # |> |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: # |> # |> |> |> First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens # |> |> |> in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation # |> |> |> of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically # |> |> |> revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an # |> |> |> undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. # |> # |> I'd like you to tell me, in your own words who the military are, wrt Israel then. # |> In uniform, or not? On duty, or off-duty? Soldier to be, or not? # |> (That is, since it's compulsory one might regard any Israeli as a # |> legit target using that definition) # # in uniform or not ? doesnot make a difference if the person is in army. # On duty, or off-duty? doesnot matter if the army man was on duty or on a # vacation week. # Soldier to be, or not? sure i meant only military men. Just trying to get this clear, so please bear with me. As far as I can tell, you're proposing the following rules of engagement between Israel and the Palestinean resistance. Please feel revise this preliminary draft as necessary: 1) Israeli military personnel are fair game at any time, in uniform or out, on duty or off. In practice, since any male or female Israeli of military age (18-?) may be off-duty military, all but young children are acceptable targets. Since the existence of Israel constitutes indication of hostile intent, no further provocation is required. 2) To avoid inpermissable violations of the rights of non-combatant Palestineans, Israeli forces must not engage Palestineans without positive identification as military personnel, clear indication of aggressive intent, and a clear field of fire. a) Positive identification may be assured by either checking for Palestinean military uniform, by posession of exclusively military armament (ie, T78 MBTs or MiG-29 aircraft), or self-identification (either verbal or documentary). Note that dual-use military/civilian weaponry such as hand grenades, AK-47 rifles, and RPG launchers do not constitute positive military identification and require closer inspection such as document checks. b) Aggressive intent (as distinct from merely 'hostile' intent, which is the normal condition) may be assured by not less than three rounds of incoming fire separated by intervals of not less than ten seconds between rounds. Note that a single burst of automatic-weapon fire counds as one round, as does a volley of rocket fire from more than one source. As noted above, dual-use weaponry may NOT be assumed to originate from military personnel, and thus do not justify armed response. c) A clear field of fire can be guaranteed by making a positive military identification of all personnel in the target area of the weapons to be used. Note that aggressive intent need not be proven for all possible targets. Thus, if IAF aircraft are attacked by a SAM crew it is not necessary to check the papers of each crew member so long as none are obviously civilians (as indicated, for instance, by the posession of uniquely civilian weaponry such as stones, axes, and Molotov coctails.) Since it is often difficult for IAF elements to land and make the necessary checks, ground forces should first screen prospective strike areas before AGM fire. For ACM purposes, a cockpit-to-cockpit pass within 5 meters is usually sufficient for this purpose, but may be repeated if necessary. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- " 6623,12,"From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 14 jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >256k SIMMs... So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy >some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing >about it. About a month ago there was a photo posted on alt.binaries.pictures.misc of a 17.5-inch Northern Pike which had been caught on a lure made of 256K SIMMs. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! " 6624,16,"From: jdw@unislc.slc.unisys.com (James Warren) Subject: Re: Reasonable (for criminals?) Civie Arms Limits Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC Lines: 27 > In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >A poster claims he 'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would >be reasonable personal firepower restrictions'. OK then ... > >Caliber : Not greater than 32 >Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel >Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers > Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating > an 'anti-fanning' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes. >Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine. > >Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful >allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be >reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves >and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the >same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality >of hits. I suspect that you think that this is less lethal than the typical ""assault weapon"". You are wrong. Compared to what most criminals use, a 9mm with military ammo (FMJs), or a military rifle (use is extremely rare), .223 or 7.62mm with military ammo (FMJs), the .32 H&R magnum with ""civie"" bullets is more lethal. Most of the arms which criminals (and the military) use are among the least lethal arms in existance. What if we just punish the criminal and leave the law abiding citizen alone? It hasn't been tried in recient times, but it might work. " 6625,5,"From: duvvuri@flashflood.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash) Subject: Pointer/Cursor Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.151347.2339 Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: flashflood.cs.odu.edu Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed I am new to Xlib replies will be greatly appreciated Thank you Prakash < duvvuri@cs.odu.edu > " 6626,2,"From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) Subject: Window start up position for app, how? Keywords: app window, startup position Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 8 How do you set up an app to give its window a default start up position and size? -- Mike Hayes |""Knowledge is good."" - Faber College Motto WWW |""Knowledge and Thoroughness"" -Rensselear Poly Motto Unemployed Tech, |""No, thank YOU!"" -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races' Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years. " 6627,5,"From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) Subject: Re: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and Sparc 10 keyboard Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: darwin.pop.psu.edu In article D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk writes: >Hi, > Environment: Sun Sparc 10, SunOs 4.1.3. X11R5 path level 23. My X process >is started by xdm. Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup. (US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though. > i) I want to setup the backgroud (root window?) of the tvtwm display to > display the escherknot etc (grey is a very boring colour to work on)! Make sure you're using ""ssetroot"", which comes with tvtwm. When tvtwm starts up, it nukes the existing root window. Use an ""ssetroot"" after tvtwm starts up. (You could spawn off a ""(sleep 10; ssetroot ...)&"") You can also use ""VirtualDesktopBackgroundPixmap filename"" or just VirtualDesktopBackground if you just want another color besides grey. > ii) When I open an Xterm on the Sparc 10, not all of the keys are recognised > and some keys on the keyboard are not sending the correct characters. Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed characters in an xterm to get passed.) Anyone have a fix for the last two? --Dave -- System Administrator, Penn State Population Research Institute * Dog Dianetics (""Woof woof woof? Page 725."") - Kibo " 6628,13,"From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) Subject: Re: seek sedative information Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Lines: 18 In article ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica) writes: > >has any one heard of a sedative called ""Rhoepnol""? Made by LaRouche, >I believe. Any info as to side effects or equivalent tranquillizers? You probably mean ""RoHypnol"", a member of the benzodiazepine family, chemical name is flunitrazepam. It is such a strong tranquilizer that it is probably best refered to as a hypnotic, rather than a tranquilizer. Just one pill will knock you on your ass. Side effects may be similar to valium, xanax, serax, librium and other benzodiazepines. -- ============================================================================= Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. ""Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we shall learn the truth."" -- August Kekule' (1890) ============================================================================= " 6629,0,"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 In ""David R. Sacco"" writes: >After tons of mail, could we move this discussion to alt.religion? Yes. MAC >============================================================= >--There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. (Bob Dylan) >--""If you were happy every day of your life you wouldn't be a human >being, you'd be a game show host."" (taken from the movie ""Heathers."") >--Lecture (LEK chur) - process by which the notes of the professor >become the notes of the student without passing through the minds of >either. -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 6630,2,"From: cfdeb01@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Dixon Berry) Subject: Mail_Order Sales, Billing, Receivables program Organization: Eastern Illinois University Lines: 20 Surely some one of you is familiar with what a mail-order company goes through. This company has only a few products, but thousands of clients. I need a Sales, Billing, and Receivables program to handle the thing, but I need to be able to customize it myself, own the source, etc. Anyone willing to sell me the basic stuff (in ANY development language) I'll be willing to pay about $1,000 to. It has to be ready now. I need this sort of solution immediately. With more time I'll just develop one myself. If you can have me a prototype in two weeks, you can make some quick cash. ************************************************************************* | Dixon Berry ""I see the light | | cfdeb01@ux1.cts.eiu.edu at the end of the tunnel, now, | | Eastern Illinois University [thanks Bill Clinton] | | Booth Library Someone please tell me | | Computer Resource Center it's not a train | | -- Cracker | ************************************************************************* " 6631,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: CNN for sale Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 18 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Bill Vojak: BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to ""trim"" down BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale. The #1 potential BV>bidder? TIME/Warner of course. Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-( Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.... --- . OLX 2.2 . There is no way they can get over here! A. Maginot ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6632,9,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Re: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT! Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr19.035406.11473@news.yale.edu> (Austin Jacobs) writes: >Don't you GUYS think so? I mean, c'mon! What the heck are women doing >even THINKING of getting into baseball. They cause so many problems. Just >look at Lisa Olson. Remember that feisty reporter that entered the New >England Patriots locker room? She started crying like a LITTLE GIRL! I >just don't think women belong in a man's sport. Before you smart guys >flame me for this, I know the given example was about football. Who cares? > It still applies to other MALE sports. How can we have women umpires? >Jeez! Look at Pam Postema. Just because she's a woman, everybody on the >face of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to >ump. If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of >roast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires. >Besides, she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a >foul tip off of Wade Boggs' bat. Or Jose Oquendo's bat. Either way, there >are too many complications. > > >ÑAustin Jacobs (Bob Knepper Fan Club Member #12) Someone tell me there's a :-) hidden here somewhere... ??? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6633,8,"From: dwarner@sceng.ub.com (Dave Warner) Subject: Sabbatical (and future flames) Summary: I'm outta here Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.203.2.156 Organization: Ungermann-Bass SSE So, I begin my 6 week sabbatical in about 15 minutes. Six wonderful weeks of riding, and no phones or email. I won't have any way to check mail (or setup a vacation agent, no sh*t!), though I can dial in and get newsfeed, (dont ask), so if there are any outstanding CFC's or such things,please try my compuserve address: 72517.3356@compuserve.com Anybody wants to do some WEEKDAY rides around the BA, send me a mail to above or post here. I'll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your terminals......""Sheeyaahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt..."" ride safe, dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sense AIN'T common.... Dave Warner Opinions unlikely to be shared AMA 687955/HOG 0588773/DoD 870 by my employer or anyone else dwarner@sceng.ub.com _Signature on file_ dwarner@milo.ub.com 72517.3356@compuserve.com '93 FXSTS '71 T120 (Stolen) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6634,17,"Nntp-Posting-Host: sinober.ifi.uio.no From: michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger) Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway Lines: 18 Originator: michaelp@sinober.ifi.uio.no In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: > In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought > Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct > the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily > (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article > saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. > > Steve > Was the article about zionism? or about something else. The majority of people I heard emitting this ignorant statement, do not really know what zionism is. They have just associated it with what they think they know about the political situation in the middle east. So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? Michael " 6635,17,From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Argic Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I have one word for you LOSER!!!! ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** 6636,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 14 In article dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall hearing recently that it was about to happen. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 6637,19,"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 94 In article <1qsami$3h7@access.digex.net>, dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) writes: >The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his >buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the >Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP >were purged. Stop! Hold it! You have a few problems here. Official history says that the first accusations of homosexuality in the SA came from OUTSIDE of the Nazi party, long BEFORE the Nazis ever came to power. So this objection is a red herring, even if established history is wrong on this point. Moreover, none of the histories I've read ever made mention of Hitler or anyone else ever using homosexuality as a pretext for purging Roehm. A point I saw reiterated was that Hitler and the party covered up these accusations. If you are going to accuse official history of being a fabrication, you should at least get your facts right. The pretext for purging Roehm was that he was planning to use the SA in a coup against Hitler. Nowhere is there mention of using allegations of homosexuality as a pretext for the purge, nor as a justification afterwards (it is possible that the histories I've read have not mentioned this, but I doubt it - would it be in Hitler's best interest to admit to the world that his former right hand man was a homosexual?). Anyway, as I said before, it is always possible that I have missed references to the Nazis making use of charges of homosexuality against the SA after the night of the long knives - but this does not prove that they were false. Even the Nazis could tell the truth when it was to their advantage. In any case, this does not deal with accusations of homosexuality in the SA during the 1920's. >Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records, >anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered >tainted evidence. Ah, yes. I forgot this was being posted to alt.conspiracy. I can smell the paranoia from here. Since the Nazis never officially charged Roehm with homosexuality (at least, not according to what I've read), I'd like to know what tainted ""evidence"" you are talking about. Since the accusations were made by persons outside of the Nazi party, long before it came to power, and those accusations were common knowledge to journalists and others in Germany in the 1920's and 30's, just how would it be possible for the Nazis to go back in time and plant ""tainted"" evidence? How exactly does one doctor newspapers which were circulated around the world, without the discrepancies being obvious? What actual incidences of Nazi doctoring evidence on this matter do you know about? And what about the testimony of people who were involved in these matters, some of whom were not Nazis? And what is the point of making a false accusation of homosexuality if you do not publicize it? Since the point here seems to be to discredit established history, then the burden of proof falls on the revisionist. The revisionists had better do their homework before making accusations. Otherwise they simply look like conspiracy nuts. >The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd, >the SA -- Sturmabteilung, ""Storm Troopers"" -- left the world a better >place when they departed, This is just about the *only* thing we agree on. I suspect that the notion that there might have been bad people - Roehm and his SA buddies - who were homosexuals must disturb some people. The feeling seems to be that if a nasty individual is accused of homosexuality, that this must be an attempt to bash homosexuals. This fear - often justified - is what lies behind this distrust of official history, or so it seems to me. But this is not a good justification for trashing accepted accounts of this subject. If you really think that historians are so incompetent, why don't you write them and ask where they got their sources on this subject, if you can't tell from their footnotes? I'm a graduate student in history. Writing to professors and tracking down sources is old hat. But my time is limited and this is not my specialty - and neither you nor anyone else have said anything that would cast one shred of doubt on existing evidence. I'm not going to waste my time trying to debunk someone's paranoia. Do the research yourself. >but concrete particulars are still no more than >more or less shrewd guesses. >-- Diccon Frankborn Given that you already consider all evidence ""tainted"", what on earth would constitute concrete particulars? And since when have concrete particulars been considered ""shrewd guesses""? I suggest that those who do not trust popular historians (Irving et al) - historians writing for a popular audience do not, as a rule, provide copious footnotes - should try instead reading academic historians, who usually provide footnotes to all their sources in immmense detail. This is the place to start looking. Assuming that one really wants to know the truth. I'll bet the folks on alt.pagan are tired of this subject already. My apologies - we seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent. I forget which gods are responsible for keeping strings within appropriate newsgroup subject boundaries... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) ""...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly of us in days hereafter..."" (Ezra Pound) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ " 6638,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 54 In article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >>And what about that revelation thing, Charley? > >If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, >it's obviously a risk one takes. > I see, it is not rational, but it is intellectual. Does madness qualify as intellectual engagement, too? >>Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge >>is contradictive. > >I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of >conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of >trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary >experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from >the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the >perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). > Exactly why science uses mathematics. QM representation in natural language is not supposed to replace the elaborate representation in mathematical terminology. Nor is it supposed to be the truth, as opposed to the representation of gods or religions in ordinary language. Admittedly, not every religion says so, but a fancy side effect of their inept representations are the eternal hassles between religions. And QM allows for making experiments that will lead to results that will be agreed upon as being similar. Show me something similar in religion. >An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is >that the ""better"" descriptive language is not available. > With the effect that the models presented are useless. And one can argue that the other way around, namely that the only reason metaphysics still flourish is because it makes no statements that can be verified or falsified - showing that it is bogus. >>And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish >>that? > >This word ""reliable"" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you >can show how reliability can be determined. Haven't you read the many posts about what reliability is and how it can be acheived respectively determined? Benedikt " 6639,13,"From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Nntp-Posting-Host: lstc2vm.stortek.com Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 53 In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: >> I think that's the correct spelling.. > >The proper spelling is Kirlian. It was an effect discoverd by >S. Kirlian, a soviet film developer in 1939. > >As I recall, the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges >and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver >halides in the films. > >-- > Tarl Neustaedter Stratus Computer > tarl@sw.stratus.com Marlboro, Mass. >Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions. > >I think that's the correct spelling.. > I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow >do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking >that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for >sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly >appreciated. > In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my >knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic >object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns >or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type >of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might >extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within >the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. > > To construct a Kirlian device find a copy of _Handbook of Psychic Discoveries_ by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder 1975 Library of Congress 73-88532. It describes the necessary equipment and suppliers for the Tesla coil or alternatives, the copper plate and setup. I used a pack of SX-70 film and removed a single pack in a dark room, then made the exposure, put it back in the film pack and ran it out through the rollers of the camera forinstant developing and very high quality. It is a good way to experience what Kirlian Photography is really and what it is not. As you know all ready, it is the pattern in the bioplasmic energy fieldthat is significant. Variations caused by exposure time, distance from the plate, or pressure on the plate, or variations in the photo materials are not important. Hard copy mail; Mark C. High P O Box 882 Parowan, UT 84761 " 6640,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes: >In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >> >> >> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of >> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their >> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are >> state secrets ? >Apart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there was one >other espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona Biological >Institute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried ""in camera"". I wouldn't exactly >call it a state secret. The trial was simply tried behind closed doors. I hate >to disappoint you but the United States has tried a number of espionage cases >in camera. One of those US cases was John Pollard. Ed. " 6641,5,"From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) Subject: Post script viewer Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hello, recently I have been printing out a lot of files on school's laser printer and feeling guilty about it. Please help me by showing me where to get a post script viewer for X-windows. Thank you for your help. A student trying to enhence his cybernatic ability. " 6642,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 47 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes: |> In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: |> > |> > |> >What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ?? |> |> The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking |> the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts. |> If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit. Contrary to what the ""Protocols of Zion crowd"" might suggest, Judaism does not have any such goals. |> >Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer. |> |> I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions: |> |> 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many |> of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more |> than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? The question you ask is complicated and deserves an honest answer. I am going to provide one from my own current perspective, not a historical one. Currently, as a non-observant jew/Israeli/American, my own feeling is that Jews from the diaspora do not have a greater right in Palestine or Israel, than the palestinians or Israelis (both arab and jew) do. With regard to Jewish Israelis, they should have the same rights in Israel as do all other Israelis. |> 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of |> the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? Who are them? If by them you mean the non-religious Jews, I think you should be aware by now that the majority of the settlers and their supporters are religious. The other part of the problem is, to my knowledge, not that the palestinians don't want to be a part of Israel, as much as they would accept (for the most part) being full citizens of Israel, with all the priviliges and responsibilities accorded Israeli citizens. What they object to is the current limbo in which they find themselves. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 6643,6,"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") Subject: Re: Classic CDs 4 sale!! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 Hey, I can't send mail to you, so.... Could you please resend me your address? I lost it (for H. in Moscow) Thanks, Jon " 6644,6,"From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Re: Nikon FM2 and lens forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 8 FM-2 has been sold. Following remains: * Minolta MD 50 mm lens. $25. * Ricoh camera with zoom lens. (Identical features as Nikon FE, plus some more). Great condition. Inquire about low price. * S-VHS tapes. Brand new. Fuji high quality. Inquire. " 6645,7,"From: ""tom neumann"" Subject: vw passat? (again) Reply-To: ""tom neumann"" Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: rec Lines: 25 kojo@valet.phx.mcd.mot.com (Kojo Yeboah) writes: KY>To all those who have PASSATs, do you recommend using Super Unleaded or just KY>regular Unleaded Gasoline. I have been using Regular Unleaded. A friend of mine has KY>a Jetta and has always used Super Unleaded and thinks I should be using the same; KY>however, I believe the advantages of Super Unleaded for CARs $30000 and under KY>has been overplayed by guess who: the companies who sell them, because that is KY>where they make the most PROFIT. A Ralph Nader report and other consumer advocates KY>have in the past spoken against those oil companies. Your Passat VR6 is designed to run on premium gasoline, however the engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done to the engine with lower octane fuel. You will likely, however, get somewhat more power and fuel mileage (especially in hot weather) out of this particular engine if you do run it on premium. Tom Neumann --- þ DeLuxeý 1.25 #350 þ I sell Volkswagens. -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 6646,4,"From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) Subject: Re: High Resolution ADC for Mac II Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex34.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 28 In article , b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) wrote: > > I don't know about the Instrutech boards (though I plan to check them out), > but you need to be very careful checking the monotonicity and S/N ratio of > many of the ""16 bit"" boards out there. The NI boards are very clearly > specified in terms of monotonicity, S/N ratio, accuracy, etc; and the > NB-A2100 and NB-A2150 have all the dyynamic range and freedom from > distortion that you'd expect from a good, true 16 bit converter. This is > not true for the Spectral Innovations boards, for example. To boorishly reply to myself, I found I did have the Instrutech information already. The specs (to use the term loosely) are as follows: A/D: 16 bit converter, with 14 bit accuracy to 100 kHz, 12 bit accuracy to 200 kHz. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. There are 8 multiplexed inputs sharing the single A/D, so that all inputs are not samples at the same time, and in the above conversion specs the all-channel sample rate must be used. Thus, for two channels, you only have 14 unknown quality bits at 50 kHz per channel. This is poorer quality than the national Instruments, at the same sample rate. D/A: 16 bit converter. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. Each of the 4 output channels has its own converter. The price for the external converter box (the ITC-16), the NuBus interface board (the MAC-23), plus C driver software and Igor XOP's is $2695. Rather steep. " 6647,6,"From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) Subject: 1.2MB external FD for PS/2(extremely cheap) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 11 Subject: 1.2 External FD for PS/2 (extremely cheap) I have a brand new 1.2 external floppy drive for PS/2, still in the box. I will sell it for $90 + shipping/firm, which is half of the market price (check page 474 of Computer Shopper, Apr-93 issue, the price is $179 there). Please let me know if you are interested. Ailin 803-654-8817 " 6648,6,From: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Wanted IDE hard drive >40 Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 2 Reply-To: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu and A VGA monitor.. e-mail 6649,6,"From: bpang@tuba.calpoly.edu (Brennan Lawrence Pang) Subject: Hard drives, etc... for sale Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 35 HARD DRIVES: (all drives include manuals, warranty) ------------ Fujitsu 1.2 GIGabyte SCSI hard drive $1000 Quantum 240 MEG SCSI prodrive $350 Fujitsu 90 MEG SCSI hard drive $175 Apple ""zero footprint"" hard drive case with power supply $75 ACCELLERATED VIDEO: ------------------- Apple 8/24GC (accellerated) graphics card with software (init) Millions of colors, FAST! $700 HARDCOPY: --------- Apple Imagewriter II printer with spare print head (these aren't cheap) $300 FAX machine: 9600 baud with leather travel case and many other accessories $200 To discuss the purchase of any of these items, call John at (408) 268-1769 If you get the answering machine, please leave a message with your name and phone number, letting me know which piece you are interested in. John (408) 268-1769 DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ACCOUNT! " 6650,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 53 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says: >In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: >> >>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says: >> >>>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>>>larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family >>>>sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the >>>>*brakes.* >>> >>> That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the >>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, >>>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, >>>drums rear. >> >>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. >>of course, the sales man was a fool...""titanium wheels""..yeah, right.. >>then later told me they were ""magnesium""..more believable, but still >>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... >> >>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to ""standard"" >>for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like >>11"" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have >>braking regulations). > >Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable >suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11"" vented front, 10"" (?) rear), 3-point >belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for >NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6, >4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with >a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet >to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating). > >Is that ""up to standard""? If not, why not? > > James james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts! never was a t'bird mentioned. The discussion was about SHO's and 'stangs not being up to spec. I do not know about t'birds. I only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff. This does not in any way disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it a bad car. It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not) and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it. c ya DREW " 6651,3,"From: randy@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Randall Jay Ellingson,199 Clark,55915,) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Originator: randy@msc2.msc.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center Lines: 47 From article <1qq7i1INNdqc@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, by bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB): > wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) write: > >>In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >>>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>>Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >>>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. >>What group is this? This is not a MAC group. > Nice of you to DELETE BOTH YOUR responce and the item that prompted it. > to whit: >>>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I > ^^^ [Tons of stuff deleted on SCSI vs. IDE question...] Wow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think it's great! Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and what I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller card on my ISA 486-50. I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range. And I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head) about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit). I believe I'm getting something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according to NU). How would this number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)? Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost? Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD? And how much would it cost? I actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook up a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb/sec. Actually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and own the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port). Is this SCSI port a SCSI-2 port? How could I tell? Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2? Are all SCSI HD's SCSI-2? Thanks for any comments on these rephrased questions. Randy " 6652,5,"From: lakshman@ms.uky.edu (Lakshman K) Subject: Realtime X-tensions Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 8 Hi, Iam looking for information on any work that deals with real-time support in X-windows????!! Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information thanks Lakshman lakshman@ms.uky.edu " 6653,6,"From: rahdert@thrombus.seas.upenn.edu (Dave Rahdert) Subject: Ticket: San Francisco => Philadelphia Distribution: na Organization: Dept. of Mechanical Engineering and Applied Mechanics Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: thrombus.seas.upenn.edu One way ticket (return leg of roundtrip ticket) for female traveler San Francisco ==> St. Louis ==> Philadelphia May 21, 1993 (Friday) leaves SFO 10:25 am arrives Phila. 8:43 pm .............$150 or best offer return E-mail or call 215/387-0203 (home) 215/898-8099 (office) " 6654,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Candida Albicans: what is it? Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <1993Apr19.084258.1040@ida.liu.se> davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) writes: >Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, >a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something >to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly >allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? Candida albicans can cause severe life-threatening infections, usually in people who are otherwise quite ill. This is not, however, the sort of illness that you are probably discussing. ""Systemic yeast syndrome"" where the body is allergic to yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine. There is a book ""The Yeast Connection"" which talks about this ""illness"". There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 6655,0,"From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David ""Go-Go"" Kitaguchi) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Nntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu Reply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu Organization: Welch Medical Library Lines: 56 :P>My atheism is incidental, and the question of ""God"" is trivial. :P :P>But........ :P :P>It matters a great deal to me when idiots try to force their belief on me, :P>when they try to enforce their creation myths to be taught as scientific :P>fact in school, when they tell me I can have no morals because morals are :P>from ""God"", when a successful presidential candidate says that an atheist :P>shouldn't be considered a citizen and couldn't be patriotic because ""after :P>all this is one nation under God"", when the fundies try to take over the :P>party that may well provide the next President of The United States of :P>America so that they can force their beliefs on the rest of the country, :P>et cetera.......... :P :P>That's why I subscribe to alt.atheism. :P :P>And in the middle of this, people who aren't mind readers pop up on :P>alt.atheism to tell me what I do or don't believe, or to concoct some :P>straw-man reason why I don't share their particular belief. :P :P>You think I should just accept this? :P :P>This isn't particularly a dig at fundamentalist christians. I have been :P>told on alt.atheism that I reject Allah because I am too proud to embrace :P>islam, and that I reject Krishna because my eyes are closed. But most of :P>the religious nuts who post on alt.atheism are some kind of militant :P>christian who can't accept that others don't share their beliefs. This :P>kind of stuff should be kept on talk.religion.misc, where it belongs. :P :P>ATHEISM ISN'T A BELIEF, IT'S THE ABSENCE OF BELIEF IN ANY GODS. :P> ------- :P :P>Do you have a problem with this? :P :P>> :P>>Bill :PFirst, I would like to say that atheism is in fact a belief. It is a beilief :Pbecause a belief in something you hold to with ador and faith. An atheist says there are no gods. This cannot be proven. therefore you are excepting this on :Pfaith alone. That is a belief. Secondly, you complain so much about how the :Pfundamental christians are trying to force their beliefs on you, but you don't :Pmention anything about how the atheists, such as; Madamme Murry O'hare(founder :Pof the Atheists Association in Austin Texas), and Robert Sherman(from the Chicago area) have been trying to force their beliefs on everyone by trying to get rid of God from our society by banning religious paintings from parks during Chistmas, forcing cities to change their town seals if there is any mention of God in it (like Sherman has done), or trying to get the slogan ""In God We Trust"" off of the American currency? You also talk about creation ""myths"" as if they are in fact myths and tha :P :P :P :Phave concrete evidece of this. You probably :Pdon't and that just enforces my point that your atheism is just as much belief as my christianity. If this is not so please do show me why it isn't. :PMark Covalt The only real problem I have with the argument of christianity is that they seem to ignore their origin that being Asiatic in origin. As soon as christians become the good non ego-centric Buddhists they are supposed to be, then I might listen. My opinion, I speak not for my place of employment... But I should... ""Christ was over-rated, and will the ATF follow Koresh (the current Christ) through his ascention to heaven?"" " 6656,6,"From: st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger) Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale Article-I.D.: rosie.5APR199322063854 Distribution: world Organization: University of Houston Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes... #adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: #>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to? #>How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will? #>Any other nice/nasty features? # #According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any #utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it. #For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer #much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able #to create, however. :-) IMHO, it seems to be worth the $40 to upgrade. DoubleSpace seems a bit saner than Stacker 2.0 (which I've replaced). MemMaker is nowhere near as aggressive as QEMM, but it doesn't hose my system like QEMM did (at least it hasn't yet). Microsoft AntiVirus is just the latest version (or a reasonably recent one) of CPAV - mine was very aged, so this was quite welcome. MS-DOS 6.0 ain't the end all, be all of operating systems - but it's better than a sharp stick in the eye, unless you happen to be into that sort of thing. :-) Lee Preimesberger st1g9@jetson.uh.edu ----- Undergraduate Scum ----- University of Houston, USA ******** ""There is freedom of choice for every choice but mine."" " 6657,3,"From: Aovai@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Aovai) Subject: Hard disk question Distribution: world Organization: The QuBE BBS Lines: 18 Hi, I just disassembled my old XT and get 2 disk drives - 30M hard drive and a 360K floppy drive. My questions are: -can I use these 2 drives as drives D & E on my 386SX25 ? This 386SX25 currently has 80M hard drive, 1.2M & 1.44M floppy drives. -if I can, what s/w or h/w do I need ? Please send your advice/comments to aovai@qube.ocunix.on.ca Thanks a lot, AV -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 " 6658,7,"From: rhorwell@crab.atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab) Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 46 In article 21071@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com, mperry@vnet.ibm.com (Mark Perry) writes: >>Hardly a good reason, most US cars do too - and plenty of people >>buy them (in the US anyway :-). I think the 850 is quite a good >>looking car - unlike the US influenced 740! >> >>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch > >I don't think it's so easy to tell the 850 from any other 7 or 9 series unless >you look real close. I really do think Volvo's are all dogs though beacuse they >are 1.Agricultural While previous Volvos have been essentially very fast tractors, the 3,4 and 8 series are far from 'agricultural' in design or execution (how many FWD tractors have you seen?). >2.Have godlier than thou advertising. You state this like it is a bad thing. :^) (remember, car companies use ad agencies - they don't do their own ads!) >3.are part of Renault. Is this true? I know that they had done joint ventures with Renault, but I haven't heard about their subsumption into Renault - does this mean that the French Government now owns Volvo? - anyway, Renault makes some very nice cars, they just don't sell 'em in N. America! > >However... One thing that I do think is in their favour is that they are >immediately recognisable as a VOLVO and that is not something you can say >about most Japanese manufacturers and Ford. Saab also have a strong corparate >look which like it or not is what I thing all car makers could aim for to >make life a little more varied. Here! Here! > > >mperry@vnet.ibm.com Roland rhorwell@atc.boeing.com " 6659,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase ""loses"" money Distribution: na Organization: ACME Products Lines: 70 In article , eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes: > In <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez: >>In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: >>> >>> No, I'm saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large >>>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a) >>>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by >>>accumlated gains. >> >>To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains >>taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren't for there >>to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised. >> I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that >>more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort >>""trends"". > > Even if Brett's eventual-return figures were correct -- and they > clearly weren't -- he'd still be wrong about the cause for the '86 > blip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors: You misunderstand. I'm not trying to prove a *cause* for anything. Merely pointing out that Ted's assertion that the ""blip"" in revenues was ""caused"" by selling to avoid the tax can't be proven. > 1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find > oneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term > that require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a > few weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with > preferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former. Not disputed. > 2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of > what would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects > beside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to > unsophisticated investors in late 1986 to ""sell now and save on > taxes."" In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar > advice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice > was based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986), > but merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates > (without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal). It works for any situation. If you believe the market is going up, don't sell. If believe it's not, sell. But then you'd be selling anyways, wouldn't you? So where is the evidence that a large number of people suddenly decided that the higher taxes meant they should sell before the year was out? There isn't any. Ted's saying that the increase over the previous year is ""proof"" of that proposition, but I'm saying you can't know that the trend of increasing capital gains revenues wouldn't account for a lot of that increase. 1986 was the height of the housing boom, remember. People were ""trading up"" like mad. > It's nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal > economic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless > pulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe > accurately what happens in the real world. Indeed. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 6660,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Trip to Pittsburg Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President will travel to Pittsburgh on Saturday, April 17 to talk about his job creation plan and its impact on the state of Pennsylvania, where it would create as many as 3,818 full time jobs and up to 21,240 summer jobs. He will make a public address at Pittsburgh International Airport at 9:30 am. The President will leave Washington early Saturday morning and return that afternoon. A White House press charter will depart Andrews Air Force Base at 7:30. Filing facilities will be available in Pittsburgh. ### " 6661,6,"From: johnr@cactus.org (John Hughes Rost) Subject: Voice Processing for IBM PCs Keywords: VOICE PROCESSING HARDWARE SOFTWARE Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Distribution: tx Lines: 29 SALE: VOICE PROCESSING SYSTEM for IBM compatibles Item: DIALOGIC/41B Multi-line Voice Processing System Description: The DIALOG/41B is a PC XT/AT board that provides processing functions and call progress analysis for four independent phone lines simultaneously. The D/41B features the ability to record, playback, autoanswer, auto-dial, detect and generate DTMF tones, and perform telephone mamagement functions. With this card you can make your computer talk on 4 phone lines simultaneously. You can design your own ANSWERING SYSTEM or by one already programmed. You can build your own DIGITAL PAGER business and open up a business for VOICE MAILBOXES. Comes complete with manuals and demo software and programming libraries for C (UNIX and DOS). PRICE: LIST $1395.00 YOU PAY $795.00 For more info send mail! Contact: John Rost (512) 343-0332 johnr@cactus.org " 6662,16,"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) Subject: UPI News Release Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com Organization: Storage Technology Corp. Lines: 82 UPI Washington DC, Update Desk 4/15/93 For the past several months the Clinton administration has been stymied by mixed signals coming from the economy. While most leading indicators has shown an apparent improvement in the economy, there has been no corresponding improvement in the area of jobs creation. The unemployment figures seem stalled at the 7% mark. last month, in an effort to understand this problem, President Clinton appointed a blue ribbon panel to try to resolve the apparent conflicting economic signals. This panel was chaired by Vice President Gore. Today the panel released their results, providing a shocking conclusion. ""It's the guns"" Vice President Gore said. Apparently NRA members, and other ""gun-nuts"" are purchasing firearms at in record numbers, pulling the economy out of the recession. ""Their buying them five times faster than ever before, and stockpiling left and right"", the Vice President said. However, since many domestic firearm and ammunition manufacturers have been experiencing hard times during the past few years, including several declarations of bankruptcy by many leading American gun makers, they have not rushed to increase hiring to meet the new demand. ""We want to see if this run will continue before hiring more people"", said the President of Colt industries. ""As long as Clinton is in office, we suspect it will"", he added. In response to this new information, President Clinton announced a new Gun Control measure to be introduced into Congress this session. It's called the ""Ban-One-A-Month"" Gun Control Bill. Under the terms of this law, every make and model of all firearms will be written on individual index cards. The cards will all be put in a big hat and the President will draw one card every month. Sixty days later that gun will be banned from any further manufacture/importation or sale in this country, except to the politically connected and to members of the National Police Force. The President said, ""This law will benefit America two ways. When the Gun-Of-The-Month is announced every thirty days, the gun-nuts will run out and buy thousands of them, boosting the economy even more. In addition, over the long run, we will get all of these icky-evil guns off of the street."" He also announce the appointment of Sarah Brady to oversee this program, citing her ""Honesty, and unbiased view on the subject of gun control"". Senators Metzenbaum, DeConcini, Feinstein, and Boxer have proposed an amendment to the Bill which would add additional index cards containing caliber designations for all know ammunitions. ""Their stockpiling, stockpiling, stockpiling"" screamed Metzenbaum during a press conference at the national Headquarters of Handgun Control Inc. Senators Simon, Metzenbaum, and Moyenhan also introduced an amendment that would make all guns illegal to possess once the last card has been drawn from the hat. Senator Simon was quoted as saying, ""First we'll fuck em, then we'll kick em out of bed in the morning"", during a press conference he held in the second floor Mens Restroom of the Senate building. He of course was referring to the fact that he would allow the people to purchase the guns to help the economy, but would require the BATF to seize all of the guns in America sometime in the year 2008, after all of the cards have been drawn. The head of the BATF responded by saying, ""We will have to see if this thing in Waco is over by then. We may be too busy to seize all those guns"". US House Representatives Pat Schroeder and David Skaggs of Colorado declared this proposed law as being ""reasonable gun control which won't affect anybodys Constitutional right to own sporting guns"". - end article - For the humor impaired :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!) ------------------------------------------------------------ " 6663,12,"From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Re: A to D hardware for a PC Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.072523.946 Lines: 7 If you can find a copy of ""8088 Assembler Language Programming: The IBM PC"" by Willen and Krantz, 2nd ed. pub. by Sams, there is a discussion of the game control adapter, monostable multivibrators, and conversion to other uses, as well as an assembler program. If you need greater accuracy, there is no reason you couldn't modify the approach to suit your needs. Jim " 6664,13,"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) Subject: Re: HELP ME INJECT... Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) Lines: 5 According to a previous poster, one should seek a doctor's assistance for injections. But what about Sumatriptin [sp?]? Doesn't one have to inject oneself immediately upon the onset of a migraine? " 6665,3,"From: rbspencer@vms.macc.wisc.edu Subject: FTP Problem on Gateway 486DX50 Organization: University of Wisconsin Chemistry Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 18 We have a Gateway 486DX50 with a SMC Elite16 Series Ethercard Plus. When we use NCSA FTP to send from the Gateway with hash turned on, we see 4 hash marks immediately. Then the computer r e a l l y drags. If we turn off the internal cache of the 486, the speed is better, but doesn't match the speed when we receive to the Gateway. It doesn't matter if we send from the Gateway or get to it: 4 hash marks and then extreme slowness if the cache is not disabled. Does anyone know any more about this? Is there a fix? The Gateway was purchased in June, 1992. Please respond directly. You wouldn't believe how slow the news is on this system. Thanks. " 6666,6,"Subject: MONITOR From: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico) Reply-To: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico) Distribution: world Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055 Lines: 2 Tracy your monitor is on its way. Mike Damico " 6667,17,"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Argic Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You definetly are in need of a shrink, loser! --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo " 6668,17,"From: iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) Subject: Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE SERBIAN-GREEK CONNECTION.... Nntp-Posting-Host: gurney.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 26 In <1993Apr13.070905.26124@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) writes: >First of all I have to reiterate that your terminology in describing >the events of 1974 are extremely ""misleading"". Cyprus is NOT occupied >by Turkish forces it was invited by Turkish Cypriots and ""intervened"" Oh....I see...I didn't realize this... I think that perhaps you should print flyers on this topic, and your reasons for thinking the way you do. You should then distribute them amongst the world's population. You see, I don't think there are many people who are aware of this fact. Thank you for telling us the truth. BTW: I would start by sending your flyers to each of the UN officials. Also, after you have distributed your flyers you might consider hiding. You see, I think that once more people read what you think they will have to lock you up in a mental institute; and don't think they will ever let you out. It is a strange strange world you live in. I feel sorry for you. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neophytos Iacovou University of Minnesota email: iacovou@cs.umn.edu Computer Science Department ...!rutgers!umn-cs!iacovou " 6669,12,"From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson) Subject: Re: 68HC11 problem Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 21 mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca (Martin D'Anjou) writes: B )>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<< )Bonjour Sylvain, ) J'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider. ) Je ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture. ) C'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir! )Bonne chance, Oh yeah easy for him to say!... -- Ken Thompson N0ITL NCR Corp. Peripheral Products Division Disk Array Development 3718 N. Rock Road Wichita KS 67226 (316)636-8783 Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com " 6670,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Emphysema question Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr15.180621.29465@radford.vak12ed.edu> mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes: :Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a :different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands :already. Are there more than two? The brands I can come up with off the top of my head are Nicotrol, Nicoderm and Habitrol. There may be a fourth as well. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 6671,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 21 Apr 93 God's Promise in 2 Chronicles 15:2 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 10 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu And he went out to meet Asa, And said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, And all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. 2 Chronicles 15:2 " 6672,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34 Julie, it is a really trying situation that you have described. My brother was living with someone like that and things were almost as bad (although he left after a considerably shorter amount of time due to other problems with the relationship). Anyway, the best thing to do would be to get everyone in the same room together (optimally in a room with nothing breakable), lock the door behind you, throw the key out underneath the door (just as far as the longest hand can reach. You would like to get out after the conclusion, I would imagine), and hash things out. More than likely, there will be screaming, crying, and possibly hitting (unless of course someone decided to bring some rope to tie people down). Some of the best strategies in keeping things calmer would include: have each individual own their own statements (ie, I feel that this relationship is hurting everyone involved because.... or I really don't understand where you're coming from.) reinforce statements by paraphrasing, etc. (ie, So you think that we did this because of...? Well, let me just say that the reason for this was ....) don't accuse each other (It was your fault that ... happened!) find a common ground about SOMETHING (Lampshades really are decorational and functional at the same time.) Guaranteed, in a situation like this, there is going to be some gunnysacking (re-hashing topics which were assumed resolved, but were truly not and someone feels someone else is to blame). However, this should be kept to a minimum and simply ask for forgiveness or apologize about each situation WITHOUT holding a smoldering grudge. The relationship really can work. It's just a matter of keeping things smooth and even. It's sort of like making a peace treaty between warring factions: you can't give one side everything; there must be a compromise. Breaks can be taken, but communication between everyone involved must continue if the relationships here are to survive. Joe Fisher " 6673,12,"From: dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) Subject: Dumb Question: Function Generator Originator: dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 35 I have a new scope and I thought I'd save a few bucks by buying one with a function generator built in. After having it awhile I noticed two things about the function generator. For one, there seems to be a bias even when the 'pull-offset' is pushed in. That is, I have to pull that know and adjust it to get a signal sans some random 50mV bias. The other _really_ annoying thing is that the damn output won't go below about 1V p-p. I am a student ( you may have guessed from my previous posts ), and I often have to measure the input impedances of various circuits I build.Many of the circuits have maximum input signals of way less than 500mV amplitude and most have input impedances in the 10's of Kohm range. The thing is, in order to use my function generator I have to divide the voltage to some thing reasonable. Then, of course, to measurethe input impedance of my circuit I am going to have to throw in another resistor in series. With the 50ohm output of the generator I could just ignore it, but now with this little divider there I have to figure that in. It's kind of a pain in the ass. Is there any way I could make myself a little box that could solve this little problem. The box would tkae the function generator input, lower the voltage and give an output impedance that is some low, unchanging number. I would want to lower the voltage by a factor of one hundred or so. I could just build a little buffer amp, but I'd like to have this box not be active. Any quick ideas. The scope's not broken. For other reasons I had sent it to the shop to get repaired and they replaced it. The function generator was the same way on that one, too. please help as I am feeling very stupid today, dave dgj2y@virginia.edu " 6674,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 56 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs) says: >In article <1qhr73$a8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu >(Broward Horne) says: >> It sure does appear that way, doesn't it? > >The attitude that people are stupid if they don't agree with you is not >going to bring you great success in life. Free advice, there. HAHAHAHAHAH. Oh, CHRIST! Oh, HAHAHAHAH. whew. Mark, what on EARTH makes you think I give a FUCK about being a ""success"", particularly NOW when I'll just the HELL taxed out of me? Oh, this is excellent. Holy christ! :) Besides, let's examine the record, shall we? Broward: "" Clinton's going to taxe the HOLY FUCK out of you! "" Mark: "" No, he's not. Only $17 / month "" ( I STILL get a laugh out of this one! :) ) Broward: "" Oh, here comes a National Sales Tax "" Clinton Supporter: "" Oh, no, Bill never said that "" Want some more ""free predictions"" ? :) >> It always makes me smile, to see George Bush used to defend >> Bill Clinton. Can you imagine anything sadder than to be left >> with GEorge Bush as a final argument? > >True. The Republicans did look pretty pathetic in November of '92. >:-) Yup. They surely did. Almost as pathetic as Clinton suppoters are looking in April of 93. Well, chumbo, I see my my watch here that my ""appointment"" at the lake is about 2 hours past due! :) You'll let me know who the ""full-time"" working thing works out, won't you? I want to enjoy EVERY minute of my free time and FREE health care ( the ONLY reason I would have gone back to working! :) THANKS, BILL! :) ) " 6675,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ... >>Level 5? Out of how many? ... > >... Also keep in mind that it was >*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather >through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the >Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and >did the whole process by hand... I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the software-development process *before* the standdown. Fred is basically correct: no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking care. But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people. (He also noted that the software people were starting to feel management pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.) Among other things, the software people worked very hard to get things right for the major pre-flight simulations, and considered a failure during those simulations to be nearly as bad as an in-flight failure. As a result, the number of major-simulation failures could be counted on one hand, and the number of in-flight failures was zero. As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software. Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care. (None of the experimenters could afford it.) -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 6676,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 25 In dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: >The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not >part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >Red Wings win? Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay. Good thing those walls are so soft, eh Rollie? -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 6677,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , kevin@axon.usa (Kevin Vanhorn) writes: > In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > > > > Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set > > by cult members. > > Correction: The *FBI* *says* that two of the nine who escaped said the fire > was deliberately set by cult members. Since the press was kept miles away, > we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the government's > claims in this matter. Moreover, the BATF has admitted having agents in the compound, and as far as I have been able to ascertain, those agents were still in the compound when the first shots were fired. For all we know, these two people may BE the agents, who would certainly be unlikely to stay around and ""cook"" with the faithful... Assuming the two people in question were even in the compound at all. Maybe I sound paranoid, but I watched Janet Reno last night harping on how much David Koresh was a big, bad child abuser, and I kept wondering why she -- much less BATF -- wanted us to infer that she had any jurisdiction over such accusations in the first place. I'm POSITIVE that the ""sealed warrant"" is not for child abuse. What was it for? Peobably weapons violations. Janet Reno didn't say WORD ONE last night about weapons violations. Why? Because she knows that such a case is no longer believable? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 6678,9,"From: Brian Austin Fraze Subject: Re: TIGERS Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> I basically agree, the Tigers are my favorite team. Actually, their pitching might actually be better this year than last (not that htat's saying a hole lot). How 'bout that home opener on Tuesday!! By the way, Sparky goes for win 2,000 today. " 6679,6,"From: jamesl@galaxy.nsc.com (James Lu x3702) Subject: WANTED: refrigerator. Nntp-Posting-Host: gallium.nsc.com Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara Distribution: ba Lines: 9 WANTED: Refrigerator. contact: (408)721-3702 jamesl@galaxy.nsc.com " 6680,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Archie-Client ? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 8 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Get Xarchie 2.0 instead. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 6681,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: A Remarkable Admission Lines: 19 Jon Livesey writes: >I'm certainly not going to attempt to distinguish between different >flavours of Christian, all loudly claiming to be the One True Christian. Well, it's obvious that you *don't* attempt, otherwise you would be aware that they *don't* all ""loudly [claim] to be the One True Christian"". I've tried to avoid using the phrase ""is/is not christian"" because of these ownership issues; instead, I've tried the phrase ""Nicene christianity"" in an attempt to identify the vast majority of ""christianity"" which has roughly similar viewpoints on the core theological issues. The JWs do not fall within this group and in fact espouse a position known as Arianism, which is rejected by all the nicene churches and virtually everyone else as well. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 6682,3,"From: yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) Subject: Re: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Nntp-Posting-Host: nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster University Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr16.131036.1017@brtph560.bnr.ca> adcock@bnr.ca (Doug Adcock) writes: >I've been intently following the MAG thread while waiting for >mine to arrive in the mail. There seems to be a lot of >complaints about minor alignment problems with the MX15F. One >article contained a comment that the owner called the factory >and was told that his screen rotation was within spec (1/4""). That figure (1/4"") for image rotation would seem to be a little high... on my NEC 5FG the specs call for no greater than 3mm (0.12""). >Well, my monitor arrived last night and, sure enough, it has >a very noticable barrel distortion. It's not dramatic, but it >is there and it is especially noticable when the image doesn't >fill the entire screen. The fact that it is worse on the right >side doesn't help matters. > >What I'm trying to find out is if these minor imperfections >are the norm or are most of their monitors perfect? I don't want >to send it back and get one with the same or an even worse >problem. Does the factory consider this kind of thing normal >and ship their monitors with less than perfect alignment? I can't speak for MAG Innovision but as far as NEC is concerned, they are adjusted to ""factory-spec"" before leaving the central USA distribution point (MA) for the eastern Canadian market. Now, here's the key: NEC *knows* that the >=15"" monitors' adjustments are very sensitive to shipping over distances (with all the bumps, rough handling, and such) and therefore *expect* and (at least in theory) *require* that the local *distributor* (not dealer) have it adjusted at the *local* service centre (Bull HN Information Systems in Toronto) before sale. This is the correct and probably only way of having any chance of receiving a ""perfect"" monitor (the definition of ""perfect"" seems to depend on how picky one is, in my case quite :). >Are other netters just living with these kind of imperfections? I, for one, was not willing to accept what I considered a substandard monitor and, after two months of wrangling and direct contact with NEC, finally received a satisfactorily adjusted monitor (not perfect, IMHO, but a major improvement over what the dealer and distributor were trying convince me was ""normal""). The short answer is no, don't accept these ""imperfections"" as ""normal"" because for the premium one pays for the larger screen monitors, one has a right to expect higher quality, and if you're persistent, you'll receive it. >............................................................... >: Comments and opinions are mine - not BNR's : >: Doug Adcock adcock@bnr.ca : >: Bell-Northern Research Research Triangle Park, NC : >............................................................... Regards, Paul Yee yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca " 6683,10,"From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) Subject: Re: Schedule... Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: teal In article <1993Apr20.052907.1625@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good. But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts. And local baseball pre-empted the NHL playoffs. Thus far into this playoff season, ESPN/ABC has given me more hockey in 2 days (1 game) than SportsChannel did (0 games). If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet the ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. Next week, there will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey. Someone in this thread said that he wouldn't watch the games even if they were on TV, and this is a r.s.h. regular contributor! Xenophobes north of border needn't fear the US-Americanization of ""our"" game, because US-Americans will never figure out how to market hockey here. Support your team; support your game. -- Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in rec.sport.hockey " 6684,9,"From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: My '93 picks (with only one comment) Article-I.D.: news.12786 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <1psbg8INNgjj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes: >In article jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. >Russell) writes: >> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes: > >> >National League West >> >> > Cincinnati ---- >> > Houston 5.0 >> > Atlanta 8.0 >> ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees of >> the 20's and 30's has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and years >> to come) Braves. I don't think that the All-Star team will be able to beat > >This may be an appropriate comparison. >The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing >18, 16 and 13-1/2 games out of first. >In 1933,'34 and '35 they also finished second ( though they were only >7, 7 and 3 games out). >Even great teams can lose - That's why they play the season. >(on the other hand... I'm still picking the Braves to go all the way) > Um, surely you didn't intend to compare the '93 Reds with the 29 Philidelphia A's. The Yankees were finishing 2nd to a team that was as good as the 26-28 Yankees, while the Yankees had aged some from their peak years. Ruth and Gehrig couldn't play every position simultaneously. IMO, given the various ages of the Braves and Reds this season, that the Braves will be closer to their peak, while the Reds have slightly passed their peak. Also, if you're going to compare Braves and Yankees, a more appropriate comparison to the '93 Braves might be the '23 Yankees. After falling short two years in a row in exciting World Series, both teams won/will win the Series this year, despite the heroics of some old fart on the other team. (Casey Stengel/ Dave Winfield???) ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- " 6685,9,"From: 93jll@williams.edu (Teflon X) Subject: Re: Militello update Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Lines: 26 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu In article <93602@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes: >HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who've been knocking my prediction of Baltimore. >You flooded my mailbox with cries of ""Militello's good, Militello's good."" > >Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first >outing. About as good as Mussina's. better than Sutcliffe's and McDonald's > He's not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? He's in the bullpen. Steinbrenner is in charge after all. > Please don't tell >me you're relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the >*fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. He's got the talent to be the 4th starter now, and evetually the ace. He was a higher ranked (and generally better) prospect than Arthur Rhodes who happens to be, well hey, the Oriole's 4th starter. > >As for the O's, it's still early. As for Militello, it's still early. Toby Elliott " 6686,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 6 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net For that matter, it shouldn't be that difficult to design a black box that gives off EMR similar to a monitor with gibberish on the screen.... " 6687,10,"Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Lines: 22 In article , s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) says: > Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL >franchise in the first place! > Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY >(hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care >to come up and film the event?) > Yee haa Golden Gophers >Whatta weird town!!!!! --Minnesota definitely deserves an NHL franchise!!! You'll see the Minnesota Whalers pretty soon, so fear not Minnesota fans. No Norm Green, 'cept for the team color (sorry, bad pun!) --What a difference two years makes! Minnesota finished 29-37-14 in 1992 and made the finals. They finish with a better record at 38-38-10 thi year and move to Dallas. Every team in the playoffs has a winning record!!! Finally!!! It's about time, NHL!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" " 6688,12,"From: mdgoodma@apgea.army.mil (Malcolm D. Goodman ) Subject: Sale -- Fiber Optic Modems, RF Modem, etc -- Best Offer Distribution: na Organization: APG-Edgewood, MD, USA Lines: 26 PLease take these and use them. Take advantage of me... I really don't know what they are worth. Qty 2 - Canoga Perkins Fiber Optic Modems, Model 2250, RS-422 Interface, appear new. I have powered up but that's all, I have not used them and I cannot tell you whether they work or not. Make Offer......... Qty 1 - ISC Datacom RF Modem, Model 1056-TX1-RX5-SM-120, Interface RS-449, Internal Fan, powers up fine but otherwise condition unknown, Phone # for the company is 408-747-0300. Make Offer ............ Qty 1 - Motorola UDS 212 A/D Modem, RS-232 interface appears to work but I have not and cannot check it. Make Offer ............. Thanks and please buy this stuff or it goes out the door Mack mdgoodma@cbda8.apgea.army.mil . " 6689,7,"From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) Subject: '93 Ford Probe GT -- Engine problems? Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com One of the local dealers has a used (7k miles) '93 Probe GT on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the window saying the dealership bought the car back from the previous owner because of ""Engine noises"", but that the Ford district rep had OK'ed the car saying those noises were ""normal"". I thought it was worth looking into (the car seems otherwise clean) and mentioned this to a co-worker, who proceeded to tell me a horror story about her son's '93 Probe GT, which had several problems, ending with engine noises which she said ""was something with the heads"", that Ford acknowledged the noise, said they were working on it, but didn't have a cure as of yet. Her son traded the car in (and I checked -- not the same car). So I have some evidence of a reoccuring problem with the V6 in the Probe GT's, and by extension with the Madza 626 and MX-6. Anything to this? I'd love to consider buying the GT (I'm turning 40 -- time for my scheduled mid life crisis :-) but I'd hate to find out I just became the proud owner of a Lemon. " 6690,18,"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: > >In article lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La >wrence C. Foard) writes: >>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >>> >>> >>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: >>> >>> Male sex survey: Gay activity low >>> >>> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough >>> examination of American men's sexual practices published since >>> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 >>> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and >>> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. >>> >>> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday >>> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than >>> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional >>> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. >> >>1) So what? > >So there are less gays, then the gays claim. Last I checked I was one person, I haven't even been elected as a representative for ""gaydom"". Should I ascribe every thing you say as representing every member of the straight community? >>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers >> gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of >> us then this is an event unprecidented in history... >> > >Dream on. Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don't even bring >in half of that. Thats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better start wondering about the validity of the study. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . " 6691,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Lines: 21 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Distribution: na In article <1993Apr16.030706.3318@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >>> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun- >>> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters? > >There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year. >The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500 >fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those >occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of ""self-inflicted >gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters"" is probably >well under 250 per year. I'm neither a doctor nor a firearms tech expert, but it would seem that given the way a holstered gun points, accidental injuries inflicted that way would be among the least lethal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 6692,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 35 mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) writes: >I'd like to share my thoughts on this topic of ""arrogance of >Christians"" and look forward to any responses. In my >encounters with Christians, I find myself dismayed by their >belief that their faith is total truth. According to them, >their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of >God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance >makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own >hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way. >Their way is the 'truth.' >But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe >a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason, >but it seems to me a choice. >[I'm sort of mystified about how a Christian might respond to this.] I'll start with a parable. A Christian woman hires a carpenter to build her a birdhouse. When he comes over, they begin talking about religion. ""So you believe that you understand God?"" he asks. ""Yes, I do,"" she replies. ""Then have him build you the birdhouse."" I don't think that Melinda is complaining about the basis of Christian belief. However, there is a tendency among Christians to say, ""I have all the answers because God gave them to me."" This is simply not the case. I believe that the Bible is inerrant. However, our HUMAN interpretations of the Bible are necessarily in error, because we are human and imperfect. We have to remember that we ALL make mistakes in faith, and that because we are human we have an imperfect understanding of the mind and will of God. To claim, as so many people do, that the existence of the Bible allows us to determine the answers to all questions is to claim that we humans can fully understand God's will. This is hubris. " 6693,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com's message of 23 Apr 1993 23:58:19 -0400 In article <1radsr$att@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? Their distribution is very isotropic and the intensity distribution, crudely speaking, indicates we're seeing an edge to the distribution. Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? Now, in the good old days before GRO data, it was thought the gamma bursters were neutron stars in the galaxy, it was expected that GRO would confirm this by either showing they were a local population (within a few hundred light years) or that they were in the galactic halo. (Mechanism was not known but several plausible ones existed) (also to be fair it was noted that the _brightest_ burster was probably in the LMC, suggesting theorists might be wrong back then...) As the Sun is not at the center of the galaxy a halo population should show anisotropy (a local disk population is ruled out completely at this stage) - to avoid the anisotropy you have to push the halo out, the energy then gets large, the mechanism of getting NS out that far becomes questionable, and we should start to see for example the Andromeda's bursters. The data is consistent with either a Oort cloud distribution (but only just) - but no one can think of a plausible source with the right spectrum. Or, it can be a cosmological distances (hence isotropy) and the edge is ""the edge of the Universe"" ;-) If at cosmological distances you need very high energy (to detect) and a very compact source (for spectrum), ergo a neutron star colliding with another neutron star or black hole. Even then getting the spectrum is very hard, but conceivable. If we know anything about physics at that level, the bursters are not due to quantum black holes or cosmic strings, wrong spectrum for one thing. The situation is further complicated by recent claims that there are two classes of sources ;-) [in the colliding NS they'd actually probably fit relatively easily into the NS-NS and NS-BH collision scenarios respectively] my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering hyperspace :-) but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in. If you can think of one, remember to invite me to Stockholm... * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * The laws of gravity are very,very strict * * And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988* " 6694,14,"From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 15 In a message of , jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >In article <1993Apr19.020359.26996@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) >writes: MB> So the MB> 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. JG>Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. Couldn't we just say periapsis or apoapsis? --- msged 2.07 " 6695,18,"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Lines: 38 Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans 10. Institute a national sales tax to pay for the socialization of America's health care resources. 9. Declare war on Serbia. Reenact the draft. 8. Stimulate the economy with massive income transfers to Democtratic constituencies. 7. Appoint an unrepetent socialist like Mario Cuomo to the Suprmeme Court. 6. Focus like a laser beam on gays in the military. 5. Put Hillary in charge of the Ministry of Truth and move Stephanopoulos over to socialzed health care. 4. Balance the budget through confiscatory taxation. 3. Remind everyone, again, how despite the Democrats holding the Presidency, the majority of seats in the House, and in the Senate, the Republicans have still managed to block his tax-and-spend programs. 2. Go back to England and get a refresher course in European Socialism. 1. Resign, now! Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 Be sure to look for: _Slick Willie's First Very Own Book of Top Ten Lists_ Available soon in paperback. " 6696,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986. Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Lines: 62 In article ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes: >Was going over some videos last night..... And you wrote an *excellent* report about it. >1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds, > not gain more bulk. > >2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's > lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed. > >3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like > Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is > released. Downing could do this without significant head movement - > Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his > stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes, > they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard > to make adjustments in your swing. I understand (from an unreliable source) that Canseco was considered expendable by the A's when he refused to accept any coaching about his batting stance. The A's brain trust came to believe that his back problems were exacerbated, if not caused, by having a wide open stance, closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque (that's a paraphrase of what I remember). In any event, Canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide his stance, and the A's began to believe that he would either reinjure himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power. >Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch, >so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing. Apparently, you sound like LaRussa. >Second, drop 20 pounds. Cut out the weight work. The A's also objected about this. >If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back >problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years. If not, he could >still hit 600+ HR. Again, I'm just repeating something I heard. But possibly the cause and effect is the reverse of that. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 6697,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Schedule... Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 40 mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >>I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good. > >But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only >reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts. Yes, a point well-taken ... however, even in areas that finally got some games, there's something nagging in the back of your skull when the network that has the national rights in its pocket says on its sports news, ""There's an awesome overtime going on in Quebec City, and we'll *try* to get you an update through the show ..."" when you know that it's on a satellite's feedhorn somewhere up there ... >If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet >the ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. From today's Times, ABC got great ratings in Chicago and St. Louis (a 4.2), and the Kings-Flames got a 2.9 on the West Coast, but only a 2.2 in metro New York (i.e., the Devils squandered their newfound support from a year ago when they played the Rangers )-;). In comparison, Seniors Golf did better ... >Next week, there will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey. I fear that the overall national numbers will not be so great ... I can't tell if ABC did any advance marketing or not, 'cos I don't watch much TV ... the NHL should have made sure that it was solid on cable before going on the air. Even ESPN could've sold second rights to third party systems (i.e., non-SportsChannel) since they are not making any extra money by sitting on the games ... hockey fans will not necessarily be watching pre-season beach volleyball if playoffs games aren't being shown somewhere ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 6698,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Zionism Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 The following flyer was distributed at AIPAC's 34th annual Policy Conference: Because when we're not in Israel, we're told to go back where we came from and when we come back to Israel we're told to go back to where we came from and when we're vocal we have too much influence and when we are quiet we can afford to be because we we control everything anyway and when we buy something we can afford to because Jews are so rich and when we don't buy something it's because we're cheap and because when we are poor we're called dirty Jew and ignorant and when we're not we're called called rich Jew and JAP and when we are visibly organized it's because there is a secret Jewish conspiracy and when we're not it is because there is a secret Jewish conspiracy and because we're told we're not a people and when we say we are we're still told that we're not and when we marry our own people we're called racist and we don't we're contaminating someone else's ""race"" and because we're under fire from the Left and from the Right and because there are whites who hate us for not being white and because there are non-whites who hate us for being white and because anti-semitic incidents are rising every year but we're told that anti-semitism doesn't exist or that we're paranoid and because we're told to shut up about the Holocaust and yet Holocaust revisionism is risng every year and when we are ""obnoxious"" we're called JAPs and when we are ""nice"" we're told we don't act Jewish and because anti-semitism is now world-wide and because our people is not yet free and because we do not have to complete the work but neither are we free to desist from it for these reasons and many many more we are part of the Jewish National Liberation Movement: ZIONISM. " 6699,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.001718.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed > when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. > > they still mine coal in the midwest, but now it doesn't look like > the moon when theyare done. > > pat === I aint talking the large or even the ""mining companies"" I am talking the small miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point). I am talking the guy who coem to Nome evry year, sets up his tent on the beach (the beach was washed away last year) and sets up his/her sluice box and goes at it ""mining"". I know the large corps, such as Alaska Gold Company, might complain to.. My opinions are what I learn at the local BS table.. My original thing/idea was that the way to get space mining was to allow the eco-freaks thier way.. As they have done with other mineral development. You can't in many places can't go to the bathroom in the woods without some form of regulation covering it.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 6700,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Letter to President, Members of Congress, Newspapers, TV Stations... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4 Lines: 111 Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs, was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors, program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and prosperously. ------------------------- letter ---------------------------------- During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: 1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide in order to shift international public opinion away from its political responsibility. 2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish Genocide. 3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. 4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide. With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims of the Turkish Genocide demand: 1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; 2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and Kurdish people; 3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; 4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse to succumb to all Armenian political pressure; 5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands; 6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of 2.5 million Muslim people in their history books. The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6701,9,"From: vigil@esca.com (Sandra Vigil) Subject: Re: Hispanic All-Star team Organization: ESCA Corporation, Bellevue WA Lines: 49 icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: > Hispanic magazine(April 1993) had a couple of interesting articles about >Hispanic players including its Hispanic All-Star team. >Some of the major points are: NPR's Morning Edition aired a report this morning (4/19) on Hispanic/Latin American players in MLB and how they have many of the same problems faced by black/negro/African American players when they first entered the league. However, although baseball has adjusted to the presence of black players, many Hispanic players still labor under the stereotype of being ""fireballs, hot blooded, flashy"". The report also emphasised that despite the rantings (my word) of Jessie Jackson about baseballs discrimination against black players in its upper echelons, baseball has actually done much better by black players than Hispanic players. Another interesting point was the language barrier problem. The reporter elaborated on an interview with Ruben Sierra which he gave in Spanish to a Spanish speaking newspaper reporter with the fact that there are maybe 2 major baseball writers that speak Spanish, despite the fact that Spanish is one of (if not the) easiest languages to learn, so easy that the author Cormac McCarthy learned Spanish at age 50 in order to research his book, _All The Pretty Horses_. Yet, few MLB organizations employ Spanish speaking personel, one of the exceptions being the Oakland A's. Another point: Nearly 90% of Latin American players have some African blood. Yet, most report that they'd never really felt black until playing ball in the US. Ironically enough, it is the early presence of Latin American baseball players in the Major Leagues that support the idea that baseball was integrated before the arrival of Jackie Robinson, as many ""light black"" or ""brown"", Latin Americans were incorporated into baseball. /S -- ""I did not know the cure for the disease ------------------- of images, but I believed in the healing | Sandra Vigil | power of words and stories."" | vigil@esca.com | - Until the End of the World ------------------- " 6702,7,"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 14 Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article , by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin): > > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994? --Could be. Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters in the not-too-distant future? --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. " 6703,19,"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: ""Ex-Gays?"" (follow-up) Lines: 53 Return-Path: I would like to apologize for the typos in the previous post. In retrospect I would also like to quote another source: Douglas C. Haldeman from his 1991 book _Homosexuality_ THERAPY INEFFECTIVE Recently the founders of yet another prominent ""ex-gay"" ministry, Exodus International, denounced their conversion therapy procedures as ineffective. Michael Busse and Gary Cooper, cofounders of Exodus International and lovers for 13 years, were involved with the organization from 1976 to 1979. The program was described by these men as ""ineffective . . . not one person was healed."" They stated that the program often exacerbated already prominent feelings of guilt and personal failure among the counselees; many were driven to suicidal thoughts as a result of the failed ""reparative therapy."" The previous article quoted in the last posting is from THE ADVOCATE, June 30, 1992 called ""The Ex-Ex-Gay"" by Robert Pela. Some personal thoughts: It is of no great astonishment that there is a concerted effort by a major portion of the Church to control and mandate change of a minority among its ranks. This was the momentum behind the Spanish Inquisition, only all they required was a confession of faith (after much torture) and then, to save their souls they would dispatch them to heaven through death. Even later, the Bible was used vigorously to defend slavery, oppression and segragation of African-Americans, even to the justification of lynchings. Today's scholars are just a bit more slick in their approach. The tool is still coersion, but now it is mostly by means of brainwashing and mind control, convincing people that they should see themselves as less than God sees them, then maintaining a cultic hold on them until it is felt thier mind-conditioning is complete. Sure, no one is ""physically"" forced to stay in this ""reparative therapy"" but sheer social pressure is enough for many to keep themselves in this new found bondage of self-hate. As an abolitionist I advocate the abolishment of oppression and persecution against gays in all facets of civil life. A person should be judged by the contibution, or non-contribution to the society in which they live, not by some high-brow standard of conformity imposed by those who haven';t a clue what is in their heart. For those who seek more information about Gays and groups that accept them please contact your nearest chapter of PFLAG (Parents & Friends of Lesbians And Gays) who will be more than happy to assist you. This is a group of people comprised of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals, their parents and friends who have formed a support group for help and understanding. Try talking to a parent of a gay son or daughter and learn some ""first-hand"" real life and loving understanding. God's love and understanding for Gay people is no less abundant. Thank you. PAX " 6704,9,"From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) Subject: Ryan on DL Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 18 Heard minutes ago on KOA radio, Denver. Nolan Ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee, and to miss 2 - 5 weeks. Rockies (Nied) lead Mets (Gooden) 4 - 0 in 7th. All runs in first inning. Gregg \\ baseball@ncar.ucar.edu // \\ /\ // _^ \ / \ / ^_ _\|__/\ / \ /\__|/_ /\___/ / \ \___/\ | CR/ /\/ o \/\ \CR | |--/ / / \ \--| \ \ / // \ / / / / / // \ \ \ \ \ / COLORADO ROCKIES \ / / " 6705,13,"From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid) Subject: Re: Emphysema question Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: na <1993Apr15.180621.29465@radford.vak12ed.edu> <9072@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Lines: 11 Thanks to all who replied to my initial question. I've been away in New Jersey all week and was surprised to see all the responses when I got back. To the person asking about nicotine patches, there are four on the market: Habitrol - Ciba Pharmaceuticals Nicoderm - Marion Merill Dow (Alza made) Nicotrol - Warner Lambert (Cygnus made) ProStep - Made by Elan and marketed by ?? " 6706,9,"From: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger) Subject: Re: TIGER STADIUM GIF? Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu Originator: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU I hate to be rude, but screw the seating chart, post the stadium instead. -- ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- | | | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- " 6707,12,"From: ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) Subject: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED Nntp-Posting-Host: liu.cns.nyu.edu Reply-To: ali@cns.nyu.edu Organization: New York University Lines: 13 I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics, large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone. I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts. Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it. --- A l a n M a c a l u s o PURPLE MOON GIANTS ali@cns.nyu.edu 158 E. 7th. St. #B5 (212) 998-7837 NYC 10009 (212) 982-6630 " 6708,6,"Subject: Books For Sale [Ann Arbor, MI] From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) Reply-To: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us Distribution: na Organization: D.J. Services Lines: 68 BOOKS FOR SALE ================ Tally up any and all of the books you want and send me a message. Shipping will be by US Mail Parcel Post/Book Rate. Payment in advance or COD accepted. All books are in good to excellent condition. Paperbacks, unless noted. Quantity Discounts. This list is updated continually. The latest list can be requested by e-mail. This list supercedes all previous lists. Not responsible for typos. !!!! = New To Listing **** = Claimed, but not paid for yet =============================================================================== David Hwang, Ann Arbor, Michigan david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- List of: February 27, 1993 =============================================================================== Computers --------- Using Wordperfect 5 (QUE, Stewart)............................... $10.00 Using Clipper (QUE, Tiley)....................................... $10.00 TRS-80 Assembly Language Programming [Barden].................... $ 1.00 57 Practical Programs & Games in Basic [Tracton]................. $ 1.00 First Book of Wordperfect 5.1 [Barnes]........................... $ 8.00 Corvettes --------- 1984-1986 Y Car Parts and Illustration Catalog [GM Manual]....... $ 7.50 Secrets of Corvette Detailing [Antonick]......................... $ 7.50 Eckler's Complete Guide to Corvette Fiberglass Repair............ $ 7.50 Corvette Owners' Workshop Manual [Haynes] [84-87]................ $ 7.50 Chevrolet Power Catalog [GM Manual] 6th. Edition................. $ 3.50 Corvette Driver/Owner Guide For 1953-1988 Models [Antonick]...... $ 7.50 Chevrolet Small Block V8 Speed Equipment Buyers Guide [Lamm]..... $10.00 Chilton's Easy Car Care, 2nd. Edition............................ $10.00 Medicine -------- Ophthalmology Study Guide For Medical Students................... $ 4.00 Washington Manual or Medical Therapeutics, 26th. Ed.............. $10.00 Respiratory Physiology-The Essentials [West], 3rd. Ed............ $ 9.00 Langman's Medical Embryology, 5th. Ed. [Sadler] -hardcover-...... $18.00 SOLD Essentials of Human Anatomy, 7th. Ed. [Woodburne] -hardcover-.... $18.00 SOLD Cardiology Reference Book, 3rd Ed. [Kloner]...................... $ 4.00 Handbook of Antimicrobial Therapy 1992 [Mandell]................. $ 4.00 Guide to Antimicrobial Therapy 1991 [Sanford] ................... $ 1.00 --> or free with $10.00 of Med Books Comprehensive Review of the Basic Sciences....................... $10.00 SOLD How to Get Into Medical & Dental School, 3rd. Ed................. $ 2.00 Sexual Interactions [Allgeier], 2nd Ed. -hardcover-.............. $25.00 On Call: Principles and Protocols [Ruedy]........................ $ 9.00 Physicans' Desk Reference [PDR], 46th Ed., 1992 -hardcover-...... $10.00 Introduction to General Pathology [Spector], 2nd Ed. ............ $ 8.00 Medical School Admissions: Strategy For Success [Weschler] 1982.. $ 4.00 Getting Into Medical School [Brown] 1981 ........................ $ 1.00 Ten Point Plan For College Acceptance [Graham] 1981 ............. $ 2.00 Other ----- College Accounting, 9th Ed., 1972 [Carson] -hardcover-........... $ 2.00 -- David W. Hwang, M.D. // University of Michigan Medical School 1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C // Telephone: 313/663-5557 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105 // Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us " 6709,2,"From: skucera@prstorm.bison.mb.ca (stan kucera) Subject: MONOUMB.386 Organization: Prairie Storm International, Lockport, MB., Canada Lines: 10 Does anyone know where the program MONOUMB.386 is available .. I have checked my Windows system disks and MONOUMB2.386 is there but not the other one.. Thanks.. Stan Kucera -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- skucera@prstorm.bison.mb.ca (stan kucera) " 6710,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 17 In article cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) writes: [it has to do with honoring the laws of the state, and] >also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive >to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.) I would go further: if a couple are unwilling to have their commitment publicly witnessed and recorded, that's prima facie evidence that the commitment isn't really there. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 6711,5,"From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Subject: Re: Standard Colormaps Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 50 In article <1rjdk8INNcnh@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, jgealow@mtl.mit.edu (Jeffrey C. Gealow) writes: > I'm working on an X11R5 application and have concerns regarding > standard colormaps. > > The X11R5 documentation says: ""Usually, a window manager creates > these colormaps."" I wonder what window manager the writer had > in mind. Neither twm or mwm seem to create standard colormaps. Standard colormaps were spec'd with the intention that window managers would make them available. This doesn't mean that every window manager author in the world immediately dropped everything they were doing and implemented this at top priority. The ESGE server we ship makes the XA_RGB_BEST_MAP available at startup. It doesn't wait for window managers to do it. > Of course, one can use xstdcmap to create standard colormaps. > However, xstdcmap doesn't seem to try very hard to avoid > conflicts with the default colormap. When I use standard > colormaps created by xstdcmap, the rest of my display goes black. > So it seems as if use of standard colormaps causes the very > problem standard colormaps are intended to avoid. Perhaps > if every application used standard colormaps, things would > be wonderful. But not many applications seem to use > standard colormaps. Does your hardware have only one CLUT? Since standard colormaps typically devour all 256 entries, there is no way it can avoid displacing the entire default colormap if your hardware has only one CLUT. I don't believe standard colormaps are intended to aboid possible colormap flashing between clients using the default coilormap. Rather, colormap flashing will be avoided between two clients that use the same standard colormap. An example would be two clients that need a full color range would both use XA_RGB_BEST_MAP (or whatever it's called under X11R5). If you are trying to avoid colormap flashing with the default colormap, your best bet is to try to load all the colors you use into that colormap. If you can't do that, then you'll get flashing on a one hw CLUT framebuffer. Now if your window manager used the same standard colormap as your client, this flashing could also be avoided. Perhaps some window managers have command line options for selecting standard colormaps? -- -paul pmartz@dsd.es.com Evans & Sutherland " 6712,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Boog Powell (was re: CAMDEN YARDS) <1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, Mark B. says: > > Was he better than Balboni? > this borders on blasphemy. bob vesterman. " 6713,1,"From: sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: -*- Whiting Corporation, Harvey, Illinois -*- X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 23 bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: : In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes: : : >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I : >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) : >Thanks! : > : : Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do : any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is : so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND : graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have : X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like : doc, image viewers like xv, etc. : Ummm, I beg to differ. A kind soul sent me a program called DPG-VIEW that will do exactly what I want, view GIF images under Linux without X-Windows. And, it does support all the way up to 1024x768. The biggest complaint I have is it is painfully SLOW. It takes about 1 minute to display an image. I am use to CSHOW under DOS which takes a split second. Any idea why it is so slow under Linux? Anybody have anything better? Plus, anybody have the docs to DPG-View? Thanks! " 6714,6,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 46 In article rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes: >Andy Freeman writes: >>Joe Doll writes: >)>> ""The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien- >)>> tists"" lists hardware cards and application software packages for >)>> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien- >)>> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, >)>> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. > >)>> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) >)>> mailing address. >> >>Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a >>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication. > >I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this. >It does have tons of qool stuff in it. That's one. Any others? >My impression is that they try not to send it out to ""browsers"". Then they should have used a different advert. >It appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to >waste a catalog on you. I'm both. I've made some $4k worth of PC products purchasing decisions for one company I'm affiliated with in the past 6 months alone. (In a delicious bit of irony, an interesting fraction went to suppliers that I suspect got my mailing address from these people.) More is in the pipeline right now. If they wanted to discuss these sorts of things, upfront is the way to do it. >When you get a catalog there's a ""VIP Code"" you And who issues that ""VIP Code""? (That policy implementation in the running for this week's ""silly twit"" award.) BTW - It turns out that I have several VIP codes. Here's the one I'm using for these sorts of things: ""6"". (If you want one, send me mail and I'll put you in touch with the folks who do the application interview; if you qualify....) -andy -- " 6715,12,"From: Daniel.J.Stern@dartmouth.edu (Daniel J. Stern) Subject: Seeking info on wear on monitors X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b16@dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 12 We are Dartmouth engineering students.We are looking for documented data regarding the wear associated with turning on an off a monitor and how it relates to power consumption. Interested in a comparison between the wear on a monitor which is left on continuously and one which is turned off when not in use. Please personalize E-mail to: ds@Dartmouth.edu Thank you, Dan Stern Oliver Weir " 6716,11,"From: stan@tacobel.UUCP (stan) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryp Organization: The Temple of Stan - TBS World HQ - Concord, Mass, USA brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: > Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless > you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent > escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is > the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about > those two names) > Hi, I'm new to Internet, so this is a bit of a test message, so even a token reply would be very appreciated. Anyways, reading this I'd figure this would be as excellent a method of corrupting the ACLU and the EFF as could be wished for. ""Who Gaurds the Guardians?"", etc... " 6717,10,"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Organization: UB Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr16.164811.21637@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >[...] and I'll give Fuhr's new one an honourable mention, although I haven't >seen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!). This is the new Buffalo one, the second since he's been with the Sabres? I recall a price tag of over $700 just for the paint job on that mask, and a total price of almost $1500. Ouch. -- Valerie Hammerl Birtday -(n)- An event when friends get hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu together, set your dessert on fire, then acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. " 6718,7,"From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr15.234508.20032@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: > ...(relates an experience similar to mine) ... > Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped. As we go out > the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom, > customers and all, ""Go ahead! You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"" > So my friend bought a Sentra. > ... This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are easy to intimidate. On the other hand, I'm not sure about the 'one price, no haggling' approach that Saturn and other are starting to use. I guess if their fixed price is fair it's OK. Maybe the best approach is to do your homework before you go in. Find out the invoice prices of the car, add a reasonable profit for the dealer ($200-$300??), offer them that price and stick to it. If they get abusive, just leave. Then, don't let them try to screw you after the deal is agreed on. Mark " 6719,12,"From: gsulliva@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Glenn A Sullivan) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Summary: Here is Go-Video Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 14 In article <136390006@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, pi@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Paul Ilgenfritz) writes: > > I think the Go Video dual cassette machines do a direct tape to tape copy > which transfers Macrovision to the copy. I you can find one of these, it > would be worth a try. Go-Video machines used in HQ2 mode will copy even the MacroVision. Go-Video phone number (602)998-3400. Ask for sales department. Since the state of Arizona does not go on Daylight Savings time, we effectively are in Pacific time zone. Allen Sullivan Designing various stuff for GO-Video " 6720,12,"From: linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) Subject: Re: books/info on audio DSP ?? In-Reply-To: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk's message of 6 Apr 93 13:36:13 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: m2000.dseg.ti.com Organization: Texas Instruments, Defense, Systems and Electronics Group. Distribution: rec,sci Lines: 25 In article scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Chris Smith) writes: > I'm looking to build a DSP for guitar processing. Hence lots of background > information would be really useful ! > > If anyone's got any info, could they email..... Well, I'm not sure I'd use this to process a guitar but there was a audio filter DSP construction article in the Sept 92 issue of QST magazine (Ham Radio oriented). The DSP is available in kit form for about $120. This particular DSP filter was targetted toward processing audio to remove noise (static). I built it and it really works well. The source code is available too. It makes a noisy audio signal much easier to hear. Note that this is for communication applications and is not ""high fidelity"". -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + Mike Linnig, Texas Instruments Inc. | 97.43% of all statistics are made | Phone: (214) 575-3597 CALL: N5QAW | up; most of them (83.6 percent) | Internet: mike.linnig@dseg.ti.com | are wrong. | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - " 6721,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) writes: > Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why > wouldn't it happen? Not enough magtape. Seriously, do you have any idea how much traffic flows through the US phone system in a single day? Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 6722,10,"From: accgsg@vaxa.hofstra.edu (Gary Graffagnino) Subject: Isles / Hockey Ramblings Lines: 43 Well, the Patrick Division got a little more interesting last night. The Islanders lost in OT and the Devils tied the Pens. That means if the Isles beat the Devils on Friday, the will meet the Caps in the playoffs. However, I have some more comments on the Islanders and hockey in general that I need to get off my chest :). First of all, with the Islanders back-to-back lackluster performances against the Whalers, one may think that the Islanders are out of shape. These guys always suck wind in the 2nd period, come on a little in the 3rd and run out of gas too soon. It is unbelieveable how many one goal games these guys have lost. Anyway, the games was pretty wide open. The Isles still have tons of trouble scoring. The Whalers played a golie in is 1st NHL start, I think his name was Lenarduzzi (sp?). (His NHL debut was the Tuesday tie against the Isles). Like I mentioned before, this guy looked like the best golie on the planet for a while (until he misplayed a Mahlakov slap shot to go to OT). I say it's because the Isles don't shoot correctly. Has anyone else noticed this? Also, I think it is really a shame for hockey when I guy like Mick Vukota gets as much ice time as he does. This guy has about as much hockey talent as Jiggs MacDonald (who did play hockey, I think). Anytime he gets the puck it gets stolen, and he always starts fights and gets needless penalties. Richard Pilon is another guy who is on the ice to stir up crap. And he's a defenseman. He's got to be approaching negative infinity for his plus/minus. This guy gets beaten all the time. Why the need for such ""enforcers""? Not only do fights slow the game down ALOT, but it takes away from the guys who are really trying to play the game. I'll be one of the few to admit, I do enjoy a good fight once in a while, but only when it's ""called for"". You know, when a guy checks the goalie too hard. In other words, a violation of ""hockey ethics"" might cause you to get puched. But there is no need to start crap when you are losing or becuase you can get away with it!! Does anyone agree that referees need to be a little less lenient in the 3rd and OT? I mean COME ON already. I'm sick of seeing teams pulling guys down, holding guys etc. just becuase the referee doesn't call it. OT and late in the 3rd should be a time for strategy, not physical prowess. Trying to set up a goal should be first and foremost. If you are so afraid that the other team is going to score that you have to pull a guy down to prevent it, you don't deserve to win in the first place. Just My Honest Opinion, Gary at Hofstra ACCGSG@VAXB.HOFSTRA.EDU ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET " 6723,16,"From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower) Subject: Waco dates - are these coincidental? Organization: CSLI, Stanford University Distribution: usa Lines: 34 The ATF agent interviewed on ""Street Stories"" reported that the raid was ill planned, and went ahead even when they (the BD's) knew the ATF was coming. WHY? I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it, and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda, as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests for sufficient fire power. Important dates: Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban. Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked. On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or some group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were initially at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent on ""Street Stories"" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to ""get ready fast"", as ""they know we are coming"". I believe this attack continued, even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely. ...rich " 6724,19,"From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 24 In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >>So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire >>on their house, killing most of the people inside. > >We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been >the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and >people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly >disinterested observers. >-- Nor, to point out the obvious, are the deluded, siege-mentality followers of a religious nut-case who thought he was Jesus Christ or possibly The Big Guy. Personally, much as I regard the BATF and FBI as ConDupes, I'll take their word over a bunch of silly pinks who were stoopid enough to lock themselves up with a goofball like ""David Koresh"" in a makeshift arsenal. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * ""One Step Beyond"" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * ""You'll pay to know what you *really* think!"" * * -- J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs"" * ************************************************************ " 6725,13,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Glutamate Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Lines: 13 In article <1qrsr6$d59@access.digex.net> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes: >In article sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes: >> From the N.E.J.Med. editorial: ""The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate >> is not only an essential amino acid ... > >Glutamate is not an essential amino acid. People can survive quite well >without ever eating any. There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement. Jason Chen " 6726,15,"From: hall@vice (Hal F Lillywhite;627-3877;59-360;LP=A;YApG) Subject: Re: Help Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 73 In article lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know >that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet >hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, >do you still think that just believing is enough?' Actually I don't think there is any conflict if we really understand what these passages say. First, what is faith? If you study the meaning of the Greek and Hebrew words so translated I think you will come to the conclusion that the word means a *lot* more than mere belief. Faith means both trust and action. If you do not put your belief into action it simply cannot qualify as faith. I think this is what James means when he says that ""faith without works is dead"" and, ""I will show you my faith by my works."" Remember James was writing to ""the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad."" This probably means he was writing to those who would hear the gospel much later and wouldn't understand the meaning of the original Greek. (Indeed I suspect James was writing to us, today, among others he intended to reach.) Paul, on the other hand wrote mostly to the people of the Roman empire who generally understood the meaning of the Greek. Another key to why there is no conflict is to look at Paul's statements in their context. I think you will find that when Paul contrasts faith and works it is in the context of comparing the gospel with the Law, meaning the Law of Moses. This was the great burden of Paul's life. As the apostle to the Gentiles he would go convert a bunch of people, then the ""Judizers"" would come along and try to convince them that they also had to obey the Law of Moses (cf Acts chapter 15). In this context Paul condemns the idea of being saved by the works of the Law, saying that we are saved by the blood of Jesus and our faith in him. I believe that a better translation for today would be that we are saved by *faithfulness*. I think ""faithfulness"" today has a meaning closer to what the original writers intended. >Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves >and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith. I think you misunderstand Romans. What Paul is really saying is that God prefers a faithful Gentile who does not ""keep kosher"" to a kosher Jew who fails to stay faithful in the more important matters of following the Lord and having charity toward his fellows. >But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to >him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who >knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible. In the sense of faith described above, you cannot have real faith and be lukewarm. If you know God but are lukewarm (unfaithful), you are worse off than the person who never heard of Him. Remember, Jesus in the parable of the pearl of great price (Mat 13:45-46) and again in the one on the treasure hidden in the field (Mat 13:44) indicates that the price of the Kingdom of God is *all* we have. [I agree with you in general, including the fact that ""pistis"" has some of the force of ""faithful"". However if you take that too far, you can end up with something that Paul definitely would not have intended. Being faithful means following God in all things. To say that we are saved by being faithful is very close to saying that we are saved by commiting no sins. I assume that's not what you meant. I have almost given up on finding a specific verbal formula that completely captures this. However I think Paul is describing what I'd call a basic orientation, including aspects such as trust and commitment. Jesus speaks of it as rebirth, which implies a basic change. We may still do things that are sinful, and may fail to show the new life in Christ in many situations where we should. But in any Christian there had better be the basic change in orientation that Jesus calls being born again. --clh] " 6727,5,"From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye) Subject: Re: xwininfo Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 11 Reply-To: adrian@ora.com NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > I want to do the equivalent of an ""xwininfo -name"" via a call or set of calls > in Xlib. I need to map a windows name to its id. > It's probably easy, but I've only been programming in X for a little while. Do you have the X source code? Simply look in mit/clients/xwininfo/xwininfo.c and you will find out exactly how to do it. :-) Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates. " 6728,0,"From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) Organization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Lines: 78 snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.163445.1203@wam.umd.edu> west@next02.wam.umd.edu writes: >>> >> And belief causes far more horrors. >>> >> Crusades, >>> >> the emasculation and internment of Native Americans, >>> >> the killing of various tribes in South America. >>> >-the Inquisition >>> >-the Counter-reformation and the wars that followed >>> >-the Salem witch trials >>> >-the European witch hunts >>> >-the holy wars of the middle east >>> >-the colonization/destruction of Africa >>> >-the wars between Christianity and Islam (post crusade) >>> >-the genocide (biblical) of the Canaanites and Philistines >>> >-Aryian invasion of India >>> >-the attempted genocide of Jews by Nazi Germany >>> >-the current missionary assaults on tribes in Africa >>> >>> I think all the horrors you mentioned are due to *lack* of people >>> following religion. .d. >By lack of people following religion I also include fanatics- people >that don't know what they are following. .d. >So how do you know that you were right? >Why are you trying to shove down my throat that religion causes horrors. >It really covers yourself- something false to save yourself. > >Peace, > >Bobby Mozumder > I just thought of another one, in the Bible, so it's definately not because of *lack* of religion. The Book of Esther (which I read the other day for other reasons) describes the origin of Pur'im, a Jewish celbration of joy and peace. The long and short of the story is that 75,000 people were killed when people were tripping over all of the peacefull solutions lying about (you couldn't swing a sacred cow without slammin into a nice, peaceful solution.) 'Course Joshua and the jawbone of an ass spring to mind... I agree with Bobby this far: religion as it is used to kill large numbers of people is usually not used in the form or manner that it was originally intended for. That doesn't reduce the number of deaths directly caused by religion, it is just a minor observation of the fact that there is almost nothing pure in the Universe. The very act of honestly attempting to find true meaning in religious teaching has many times inspired hatred and led to war. Many people have been led by religious leaders more involved in their own stomache-contentsthan in any absolute truth, and have therefore been driven to kill by their leaders. The point is that there are many things involved in religion that often lead to war. Whether these things are a part of religion, an unpleasant side effect or (as Bobby would have it) the result of people switching between Religion and Atheism spontaneously, the results are the same. @Religious groups have long been involved in the majority of the bloodiest parts of Man's history.@ Atheists, on the other hand (preen,preen) are typically not an ideological social caste, nor are they driven to organize and spread their beliefs. The overuse of Nazism and Stalinism just show how true this is: Two groups with very clear and specific ideologies using religious persecution to further their means. Anyone who cannot see the obvious - namely that these were groups founded for reasons *entirely* their own, who used religious persecution not because of any belief system but because it made them more powerfull - is trying too hard. Basically, Bobby uses these examples because there are so few wars that were *not* *specifically* fought over religion that he does not have many choices. Well, I'm off to Key West where the only flames are heating the bottom of little silver butter-dishes. -ciao -chris blask " 6729,2,"From: dale@odetics.com (Dale Pischke) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Odetics, Inc., Anaheim, CA Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows. A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the 24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers, I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later versions that I'm unaware of... -- Dale R. Pischke dale@odetics.com or uunet!odetics!dale Senior Software Engineer Odetics, Gyyr Division " 6730,5,"From: moore@halley.est.3m.com (Richard Moore) Subject: Re: X interactive performance In-reply-to: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:20:40 GMT Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA Lines: 4 For image display, about 10 frames per second seems to be the lower limit for interactive operations. For just bringing up an image for viewing less than 1 second seems to be a good number. Of course the measure of response time should be based on the applications you are planning to run. " 6731,0,"From: () Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: nstlm66 Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 21 In article <115561@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: >Khomeini advocates the view that > there was a series of twelve Islamic leaders (the Twelve Imams) who > are free of error or sin. This makes him a heretic. > Wow, you're quicker to point out heresy than the Church in the Middle ages. Seriously though, even the Sheiks at Al-Azhar don't claim that the Shi'ites are heretics. Most of the accusations and fabrications about Shi'ites come out of Saudi Arabia from the Wahabis. For that matter you should read the original works of the Sunni Imams (Imams of the four madhabs). The teacher of at least two of them was Imam Jafar Sadiq (the sixth Imam of the Shi'ites). Although there is plenty of false propaganda floating around about the Shi'ites (esp. since the revolution), there are also many good works by Shi'ites which present the views and teachings of their school. Why make assumptions and allegations (like people in this group have done about Islam in general) about Shi'ites. " 6732,2,"From: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) Subject: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Originator: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU Keywords: printer Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Lines: 35 Hello fellow 'netters. I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson. Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, both good and bad. Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). -- Sincerely, Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu ""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" ""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised?!?!"" " 6733,13,"From: GAnderson@Cmutual.com.au (Gavin Anderson) Subject: Help - Looking for a Medical Journal Article - Whiplash/Cervical Pain Lines: 37 Organization: Colonial Mutual Life Australia X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 Lines: 24 Hi, I am not sure where to post this message, please contact me if I'm way off the mark. On 19.3.93 my wife went to her General Practitioner (Doctor). He mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us. He had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again. The article was about Whiplash Injury/Cervical Pain. It mentions the use of a MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imagery) machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain. This article is most likely in an Australian medical journal. I very much want to obtain the name of the article, journal and author because the case matches my wife. We would very much appreciate anyone's help in this matter via email preferably. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gavin Anderson email: GAnderson@cmutual.com.au Analyst/Programmer. phone: +61-3-607-6299 Colonial Mutual Life Aust. (ACN 004021809) fax : +61-3-283-1095 -----------Some people never consciously discover their antipodes---------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gavin Anderson email: GAnderson@cmutual.com.au Analyst/Programmer. phone: +61-3-607-6299 Colonial Mutual Life Aust. (ACN 004021809) fax : +61-3-283-1095 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6734,1,"From: agiacalo@nmsu.edu (Toni Giacalo) Subject: need algorithm for reading and displaying bitmap files Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.nmsu.edu Keywords: GIF PCX BMP I'm making a customized paint program in DOS and need an algorithm for reading bitmap files like GIF, PCX, or BMP. Does anyone have such an algorithm? I've tried copying one out of a book for reading .PCX format but it doesn't work. I will take an algorithm for any format that can be created from Windows Paint. Thanks! Toni " 6735,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: No Muslim left alive - not a single one: Historical Armenian Barbarism. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 326 In article <1993Apr10.025031.24352@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> halsall@MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU (Paul Halsall) writes: > Simple question Serdar? Anytime. > If the Armenians killed so many Turks in Eastern Anatolia, >how come the area today is full of Turks [and Muslim Kurds] and >not full of Armenians? Suffering from a severe case of myopia? No Muslim left alive - not a single one. Leading the first Armenian units who crossed the Ottoman border in the company of the Russian invaders was the former Ottoman Parliamentary representative for Erzurum, Karekin Pastirmaciyan, who assumed the revolutionary name Armen Garo. Another former Ottoman parliamentarian, Hamparsum Boyaciyan, led the Armenian guerrilla forces who ravaged Turkish villages behind the lines under the nickname ""Murad"", especially ordering that 'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever circumstances you find them. Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)[1] [1] M. Varandian, ""History of the Dashnaktsutiun,"" p. 85. Another former Member of Parliament, Papazyan, led the Armenian guerrilla forces that ravaged the areas of Van, Bitlis and Mush. In March 1915, the Russian forces began to move toward Van. Immediately, in April 11, 1915 the Armenians of Van began a revolt, massacring all the Turks in the vicinity so as to make possible its quick and easy conquest by Russians. Little wonder that Czar Nicholas II sent a telegram of thanks to the Armenian Revolutionary Committee of Van in April 21, 1915, ""thanking it for its services to Russia."" The Armenian newspaper Gochnak, published in the United States, also proudly reported in May 24, 1915 that ""only 1,500 Turks remained in Van the rest having been slaughtered."" Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. ""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Source: Stanford J. Shaw, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"" Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317. ""...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response: 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new free life under the protection of Russia.'[155] Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."" [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083. ""Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"" [156] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, ""Harb Hahralaram,"" 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083. ""An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"" [162] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350. [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, ""Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"" Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915. Now wait, there is more. From ""The Diplomacy of Imperialism,"" William L. Langer, New York (Alfred A. Knopf), 1960, pp. 157-160. ""Armenians watch their opportunity to kill Turks and Kurds, set fire to their villages, and then make their escape into the mountains."" > Also, since the Ottomans were such great tolerators, how come >the Armenians were counted as part of the RUM millet, i.e. forced >under the control of the GREEK Orthodox patriarchate? Are you people for real? The main legal principles of the Turkish State are summarized in Article 2 of the Constitution: ""The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, secular and social State governed by the rule of law; bearing in mind the concepts of public peace, national solidarity and justice; respecting human rights; loyal to the nationalism of Ataturk, and based on the fundamental tenets set forth in the Preamble of the Constitution."" Freedom of culture and religion prevailed during the Ottoman Empire, allowing the many nations and races within its boundaries to remain autonomous. The fact that the Ottoman Empire was the longest lived in recent history may be attributed to these freedoms, despite the lack of any written Constitution. The first attempts to create a written Constitution occurred in 1839 and 1856. Although the documents adopted during these two attempts remained in force only temporarily, they provided the basic elements of a Constitution. The 1876 Constitution was the first legal document to force a Parliament and the right of election to share the sovereignty of the Emperor. The Constitution of 1906 placed some additional limitations on the Emperor, while increasing the power of the Parliament and the government. The First World War (1914-1918) brought the Ottoman Empire to an end. By the occupation of Istanbul, the Parliament was dissolved and the Constitution was abolished. The members of Parliament were sent to exile to an island by the occupying forces. During the Independence War, the ""Turkish Grand National Assembly"" held their first meeting on April 23, 1920 to serve as the legislative body of the new Turkish state. This assembly prepared the new legal structure of the Turkish Republic. The new Republic was proclaimed on October 29, 1923 and the new Constitution was adopted in 1924. That Constitution served as the legal backbone of today's modern Turkish Republic. In 1945, Turkey adopted a multi-party political system. The Constitution of 1924 was replaced by others in 1961 and 1982. All three Constitutions of the Republic have been based on the principles of parliamentary democracy, human rights, national sovereignty, division of powers, private ownership and secularization. ""Major Principles of the Constitution"" The constitution (with 177 Articles) establishes the structure of the Republic within the following principles: - The Turkish Republic is a democratic, secular and social state governed by law; - It should be governed to maintain public peace, national solidarity, justice, human rights and the objectives of Ataturk; - The language of the State is Turkish; - Sovereignty is vested in the nation without any conditions or restrictions. Sovereignty is exercised by organizations authorized by the nation; - Legislative power is carried by the Parliament elected by the nation. This power cannot be delegated (transferred) to any one else; - Executive power is exercised by the President, and Council of Ministers; - Judicial power is exercised by the independent courts on behalf of the Turkish nation; - All individuals are equal, irrespective of language, race, religion, color, sex, or political beliefs; - Laws cannot be contradict those principles stated in the Constitution. ""Structure of the State"" In accordance with the Constitution, the structure of the state is based on the principle of ""division of power"" to create a balanced and self-controlled system. The power is divided into ""legislative power,"" ""executive power,"" and ""judicial power,"" balanced to secure freedoms and powers to control each other (self-control). A. Legislative Power: The ""Turkish Grand National Assembly"" is a parliament with one House, elected by the nation for a term of five years to exercise legislative power on behalf of the nation. The basic functions of this Assembly are: - to adopt, to amend, or to repeal laws; - to approve or to dismiss the Council of Ministers; - to supervise and to question Ministers or the Council of Ministers; - to debate, to amend and to approve annual budgets; - to ratify international agreements; - to grant amnesty or pardons. Members of Parliament do not have any liability for their words (either oral or written) during the course of their legislative duties. The country is divided into constituencies. The number of representatives of each is calculated according to its population. Every Turkish citizen over the age of twenty-one can vote. Elections are supervised by the ""Supreme Council of Elections,"" which solves all disputes or appeals. In each province, the local ""Board of Election"" runs and controls the election under the supervision and guidelines of the Supreme Council. Members of the Council and Boards are elected among independent judges. B. Executive Power: The President of the Republic is the Head of State (not the head of government as in the Unites States). The main functions of the President are: - to represent the State and the Country; - to insure the implementation of the Constitution; - to coordinate legislative, judicial and executive functions; - act as the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces; - to ratify laws and government decrees. The President is elected by the Grand National Assembly for a period of seven years. The President may ratify or return the laws for a second debate, may call for a referendum. Executive power is exercised by the ""Council of Ministers,"" headed by the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is appointed by the President from the members of Parliament. The Prime Minister names the Ministers for approval by the President. The new Government (Council of Ministers) reads their program at the Parliament and the vote of confidence follows. There are 21 (?) Ministers in the Council. Ministers and other members of the administration can be sued in independent ""administrative"" courts for their misuse of power, administrative errors or functions against any law. C. Judicial Power: Judicial power is exercised by independent courts. No authority or power can instruct the judges or public prosecutors of the courts. These cannot be discharged, replaced or retired by executive authorities except for the reasons clearly stated by the appropriate laws. There are three categories of courts in the Turkish judiciary system: - Courts of justice deal with legal, commercial and criminal cases. The decisions of these courts may be reviewed by the supreme court of justice upon the appeal of the parties involved. - The decisions or functions of the executive power (including the Prime Minister and Ministers or any governmental department) can be appealed in administrative courts if these functions or decisions are against the law. The decisions of these administrative courts may also be reviewed by the high administrative court. The laws and decisions of the Grand National Assembly can be examined by the ""Constitutional Court"" if they contradict the Constitution. If found contradictory, this court may cancel the decisions or laws of the Parliament. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6736,3,"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: What's the diff.between mouse.sys/com?? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 20 x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu wrote: > What's the difference between loading mouse.com in autoexec.bat and > doing device=mouse.sys in config.sys?? The only difference is the time the driver gets loaded. mouse.sys will be loaded during the config.sys and therefor before the command.com. mouse.com will be loaded during autoexec.bat and so after the command.com. > which one is better? mouse.com could be started from the commandline after the booting and it could - perhaps - be unloaded, if no other driver is loaded after it. The working of both drivers is totally the same. When I ran dos, I preferred loading most of the drivers in autoexec.bat, because some programs won't run with some drivers and I could choose the ones I needed during startup. But with DRDOS6, this advantage is gone, because DRDOS lets you choose in config.sys which drivers should be loaded. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 6737,2,"Subject: Re: WINBENCH 3.11 help -- graphics comparison?!? From: franklig@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gregory C Franklin ) Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 32 In article <1pqd9hINNbmi@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> srg3sir@grv.grace.cri.nz writes: > > >In article swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) writes: >>I have a question about WINBENCH (pc labs thing) 3.11.. >> >>I have a 386/33 and a Ahead B (512k) card and got these results- >> >>windows vga driver - 2.44 million >>ahead B (640-480-256) driver - 455,000 winmarks >>windows svga (800-600-16) driver - 1.68 million winmarks... >> >>I was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card.. I read it had about >>8 million winmark.. > >On my 386dx 33Mhz 4Mb RAM >Winbench 2.5 > 24x v2.02 16.7M 1,668,274 > v2.03 16.7M 1,668,985 > v2.03 16 4,602,428 > v2.03 256 7,635,278 Be very careful with these results! As I recall, numbers from Winbench 2.5 are calculated differently from 3.1, and so these figures are not comparable. However, to answer Stephen's question, replacing the Ahead B card with a Diamond 24x will yield a cost-effective, dramatic speed increase for Windows. That or the ATI Graphics Ultra Plus.... -- Greg Franklin franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu " 6738,12,"From: sidhu@ee.ualberta.ca (Kenneth Sidhu) Subject: Dimming Incand. Lamps Article-I.D.: kakwa.1993Apr6.221848.6569 Reply-To: sidhu@ee.ualberta.ca (Kenneth Sidhu) Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca What's the latest and greatest way to dim incandescent lamps ? March '93 Circuit Cellar has part one of an article about dimming 120VAC lamps, but it seems to lead into phase- control as the best method for controlling brightness. I've always hated phase-control for the RFI, buzzing filaments and non-linear adjustment range. I had heard that you can modulate the AC line on a cycle by cycle basis to get better results. To cut the lamp's power to 50% you would givemsay 20 cycles of AC, then nothing for another 20 cycles. I wonder if anyone has tried this or knows what the pro stuff is using. Any advice is appreciated! Ken email: sidhu@bode.ee.ualberta.ca " 6739,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: NHL Swedes: Stats, April 5 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 141 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Scoring stats for the Swedish NHL players, April 5: =================================================== Mats Sundin watch: Most points during a season: 131 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 (49+82) 110 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 (43+67) * 109 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 (43+66) 106 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 (50+56) 104 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 (46+58) 99 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 (37+62) Most goals during a season: 50 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 49 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 46 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 45 Tomas Sandstrom, LA Kings 1990-91 43 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 * 43 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 Most assists during a season: 82 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 67 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 66 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1976-77 * 66 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 62 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 61 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1977-78 61 Thomas Steen, Winnipeg Jets 1988-89 Ulf Samuelsson watch: Most penalty minutes during a season: * 243 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 (through 3/25) 211 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1990-91 206 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92 184 Kjell Samuelsson, Philadelphia Flyers 1988-89 181 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1988-89 174 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1985-86 170 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1980-81 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL Rk Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born G A Pts PL Comment -- -- ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- -- -- --- -- ------- 1 Mats Sundin QUE 13 C 6-2 189 2/13/71 43 66 109 7 2 Ulf Dahlen MIN 22 RW 6-2 195 1/12/67 33 38 71 5 3 Thomas Steen WIN 25 C 5-10 195 6/ 8/60 21 43 64 5 4 Johan Garpenlov SJS 10 LW 5-11 185 3/21/68 21 40 61 5 5 Fredrik Olausson WIN 4 D 6-2 200 10/ 5/66 13 38 51 4 6 Tomas Sandstrom LAK 7 LW 6-2 207 9/ 4/64 22 24 46 2 7 Per-Erik Eklund PHI 9 LW 5-10 175 3/22/63 8 34 42 Injured 8 Calle Johansson WAS 6 D 5-11 205 2/14/67 6 35 41 1 9 Nicklas Lidstrom DET 5 D 6-2 180 4/28/70 7 33 40 2 10 Tommy Sjodin MIN 33 D 5-11 190 8/13/65 7 29 36 11 Ulf Samuelsson PIT 5 D 6-1 195 3/26/64 2 24 26 1 12 Mikael Andersson TBL 34 LW 5-11 185 5/10/66 13 11 24 1 13 Michael Nylander HFD 36 LW 5-11 176 10/ 3/72 5 16 21 2 14 Roger Johansson CGY 34 D 6-1 185 4/ 7/67 4 15 19 1 15 Jan Erixon NYR 20 LW 6-0 196 7/ 8/62 5 10 15 16 Peter Andersson NYR 25 D 6-0 187 8/29/65 4 7 11 1 17 Kjell Samuelsson PIT 28 D 6-6 235 10/18/58 3 6 9 2 18 Tommy Albelin NJD 6 D 6-1 190 5/21/64 1 5 6 19 Per Djoos NYR 44 D 5-11 176 5/11/68 1 1 2 Binghampton? 20 Niclas Andersson QUE 46 LW 5-8 169 5/20/71 0 1 1 Halifax 21 Thomas Forslund CGY 27 LW 6-0 185 11/24/68 0 1 1 Salt Lake 22 Patrik Carnback MON 20 LW 6-0 189 2/ 1/68 0 0 0 Injured 23 Patrik Kjellberg MON 27 LW 6-2 196 6/17/69 0 0 0 Fredericton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL=Rank Last week, Rk=Rank, J#=Jersey Number, Ps=Position, Born (mm/dd/yy) G=Goals, A=Assists, Pts=Points, PL=Points scored since Last posted list =============================================================================== Goalie stats: Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- Tommy Soderstrom PHI 30 G 5-9 163 7/17/69 / - - - - - T O T A L - - - - - \ mm/dd vs res r w/l/t sh - sv GP MP GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO A ----- ---- ---- - ----- -- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- --- -- -- 12/17 PIT 4-5 L 0-1-0 27 - 22 1 62 5 4.84 27 22 0.815 12/19 CHI 3-1 W 1-1-0 28 - 27 2 122 6 2.95 55 49 0.891 12/20 @TBL 1-4 L 1-2-0 31 - 27 3 182 10 3.30 86 76 0.884 12/23 PIT 0-4 L 1-3-0 26 - 22 4 242 14 3.47 112 98 0.875 12/26 @WAS 5-5 T 1-3-1 41 - 36 5 307 19 3.71 153 134 0.876 12/29 @LAK 10-2 W 2-3-1 43 - 41 6 367 21 3.43 196 175 0.893 12/30 @SJS 6-2 W 3-3-1 35 - 33 7 427 23 3.23 231 208 0.900 1/ 2 @CGY 3-7 L 3-4-1 32 - 26 8 486 29 3.58 263 234 0.890 1/ 3 @EDM 2-2 T 3-4-2 33 - 31 9 551 31 3.38 296 265 0.895 1/ 7 WAS 8-2 W 4-4-2 33 - 31 10 611 33 3.24 329 296 0.900 1/ 9 NYR 4-3 W 5-4-2 26 - 23 11 671 36 3.22 355 319 0.899 1/10 EDM 4-0 W 6-4-2 29 - 29 12 731 36 2.95 384 348 0.906 1 1/14 CGY 4-4 T 6-4-3 27 - 23 13 796 40 3.02 411 371 0.903 1/16 @BOS 5-4 W 7-4-3 37 - 33 14 856 44 3.08 448 404 0.902 1/17 DET 4-7 L 7-5-3 36 - 29 15 916 51 3.34 484 433 0.895 1/21 BOS 4-5 L 7-6-3 32 - 27 16 976 56 3.44 516 460 0.891 1/23 @NYI 4-8 L 7-7-3 31 - 23 17 1036 64 3.71 547 483 0.883 1 1/24 HFD 5-4 W 8-7-3 25 - 21 18 1098 68 3.72 572 504 0.881 1/30 @PIT 2-4 L 8-8-3 35 - 32 19 1157 71 3.68 607 536 0.883 2/ 3 @NYR 2-2 T 8-8-4 38 - 36 20 1222 73 3.58 645 572 0.887 2/ 9 OTT 8-1 W 9-8-4 28 - 27 21 1282 74 3.46 673 599 0.890 2/11 MTL 0-0 T 9-8-5 23 - 23 22 1347 74 3.30 696 622 0.894 2 2/13 @NJD 4-6 L 9-9-5 32 - 26 23 1407 80 3.41 728 648 0.890 2/14 NJD 2-5 L 9-10-5 26 - 21 24 1467 85 3.48 754 669 0.887 2/16 @CGY 4-4 T 9-10-6 29 - 29 25 1512 85 3.37 783 698 0.891 2/18 @VAN 3-2 W 10-10-6 30 - 28 26 1572 87 3.32 813 726 0.893 2/20 @MIN 2-5 L 10-11-6 33 - 28 27 1632 92 3.38 846 754 0.891 2/22 DET 5-5 - 10-11-6 15 - 12 28 1653 95 3.45 861 766 0.890 3/ 2 PIT 5-4 W 11-11-6 22 - 21 29 1689 96 3.41 883 787 0.891 3/ 5 @WAS 3-0 W 12-11-6 36 - 36 30 1749 96 3.29 919 823 0.896 3 3/ 7 @NJD 4-7 L 12-12-6 41 - 35 31 1808 102 3.38 960 858 0.894 3/ 9 @NYI 2-4 L 12-13-6 24 - 21 32 1867 105 3.37 984 879 0.893 3/11 WAS 6-4 W 13-13-6 28 - 24 33 1927 109 3.39 1012 903 0.892 3/16 MIN 4-3 W 14-13-6 34 - 31 34 1987 112 3.38 1046 934 0.893 3/20 @PIT 3-9 L 14-14-6 27 - 20 35 2027 119 3.52 1073 954 0.889 3/21 NJD 2-3 L 14-15-6 27 - 24 36 2086 122 3.51 1100 978 0.889 3/24 @NYR 5-4 W 15-15-6 45 - 41 37 2146 126 3.52 1145 1019 0.890 2 3/27 @QUE 3-8 L 15-16-6 25 - 19 38 2186 132 3.62 1170 1038 0.887 4/ 1 LAK 1-3 L 15-17-6 26 - 23 39 2246 135 3.61 1196 1061 0.887 4/ 4 TOR 4-0 W 16-17-6 26 - 26 40 2306 135 3.51 1222 1087 0.890 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- res=result, sh=shots, sv=saves GP=Games Played, MP=Minutes Played, GA=Goals Against, GAA=Goals Against Average SOG=Shots On Goal, SV=SaVes, SV%=SaVing Percentage, SO=ShutOuts, A=Assists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 6740,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: How does it really work? (was Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption) Lines: 22 From: Marc VanHeyningen The majority of the discussion involving this ""Clipper Chip"" seems to pertain to the encryption of telephone conversations. Does anyone know if that means this chip is designed to work primarily with analog signals? The language sort of suggests this, but it's hard to say. I'd lay a few bucks that its just data-in-data-out in parallel. I suspect to make it a phone you'd need a codec and speech compression. There would be a loss of bandwidth on the speech signal, which I suspect would scupper any of the suggestions I've seen here about putting a different encryption front end on it. There's no hint of any modulation scheme in the docs. I'm sure it's purely a digital chip. The back end will come later, but I'm *positive* it won't be left to the manufacturers - they all have to be the same modulation scheme to make it easy for the NSA to tap them. The only other possibility is that this is intended only for ISDN phones. (Puts a whole new spin on EFFs obsession about ISDN if true, bwahahaha! ;-) ) G " 6741,6,"From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird) Subject: CD-ROMS 4-Sale (NEW) Organization: Wheaton College, IL Lines: 101 I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way. Marcus American Business Phonebook DOS $20.00 Animals DOS $30.00 Animals MPC $30.00 Audoban Birds DOS $20.00 Audoban Mammals DOS $20.00 Barney Bear Goes to School DOS $30.00 Bible Library DOS $45.00 Bibles and Religion DOS $15.00 Book of Lists DOS $30.00 Britannicas Family Choice DOS $23.00 Britamrica Select DOS $24.33 Business & Economics DOS $30.00 Business Backgrounds DOS $20.00 Business Master DOS $20.00 Carmen San Diego lWhere is ...) MPC $30.00 CD PLay/Launch DOS $25.00 CD ROM Software Jukebox DOS $20.00 CIA Vorld Taur DOS $35.00 Chess Master 3000 MPC DOS $35.00 CLassic Col lection DOS $60.00 CLipert Goliath DOS $15.00 Colossal Cookbook DOS $15.00 DeLorme's Atlas USA WIN $25.00 Desert Storm MPC $35.00 Deathstar Arcade Battles DOS $15.00 Dictionaries & Language DOS $15.00 Education Master DOS $20.00 ELectronic Home Library DOS $35.00 Family Doctor DOS $30.00 Family Encyclopedia by Comptons DOS $49.00 Family Encyclopedia by Comptons MPC $49.00 Game Master DOS $20.00 Game Pack II DOS $25.00 Golden Immortal DOS $25.00 Great Cities of the World DOS $25.00 Greet Cities of the World MPC $30.00 Great Cities of the World II DOS $25.00 Great Cities of the World II MPC $30.00 Groliers Encyclopedia DOS $60.00 Groliers Encyclopedia MPC $60.00 Guiness Disc 1992 DOS $15.67 Ham Radio DOS $15.00 Information USA DOS $35.00 Islands Designs DOS $20.00 Jets & Props DOS $25.00 Jones ... Fast Lane DOS/MPS $25.00 KGB/CIA World Fact Book DOS $25.00 Kings Quest 5: DOS/MPC $25.00 Library of the Future DOS $90.00 Loom DOS $35.00 MPC Wizard MPC $15.00 MacMillan Kids Dictionary MPC $55.00 Magazine Rack DOS $25.00 Majestic Places DOS $20.00 Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing MPC $35.00 Mixed Up Mother Goose DOS/MPC $25.00 Money,Money,Money, DOS $20.00 Monkey Island DOS $35.00 Oak CD Stand DOS $15.00 Our Solar System DOS $15.00 Presidents DOS $85.00 Publish It DOS $30.00 Reference Library DOS $35.00 Secret Weapons/Luftwaffe MPC $35.00 Shereware Games DOS $35.00 Shereware Overload DOS $15.00 Sher Holmes/Consul Det MPC $35.00 Sleeping Beauty DOS $20.00 Srd CD Software Bundle - 4 Titles N/A $90.00 Stellar 7 DOS/MPC $25.00 Story Time - Interactive DOS $25.00 The CD ROM Collection DOS $15.00 Time Magazine Almanac Current DOS $35.00 Time Table of Hist/Sci/Innovation DOS $35.00 Tons & Gigs DOS $49.00 Too Many Typefonts DOS $15.00 Total Baseball DOS $30.00 US Atlas/w Automap DOS $35.00 US History DOS $35.00 US/World Atlas DOS/MPC $30.00 US Wars:Civil War DOS $25.00 Wild Places DOS $25.00 Wing Com/Ultima VI DOS/MPC $35.00 World View DOS $25.00 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net -- Voice 708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net -- Voice 708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net " 6742,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr15.202729.6649@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) wrote: > Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason > why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with > his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that > we would ""stop doubting and believe"" (John 21:27). The fact > that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise > from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. > Without this obvious point, I would have no hope > and my faith would be vanity. Glad to hear this, just a note, Osiris, Mithras and many other cult gods resurrected as well, so there's a good chance for all of us to maybe end up in a virtual reality simulator, and live forever, hurrah! Sorry, this was a joke, some sort of one anyway. I'm the first that connected Osiris with a virtual reality personality database. Time to write a book. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 6743,6,"From: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT) Subject: Case, MFM Contr., Game card, Sound Card Originator: klwright@c00391-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 29 Forsale 1 Desktop Case, 200 Watt power supply 2 internal 5 1/4"" bays and 2 external 5 1/4"" origanaly Dell System 200 case. looks real good all hardware included. I would like $80 + shipping or best offer. 1 Western Digital MFM controler, 16 bit 2 floppy 2 hard, never had a problem with it. I would like $30 + shipping or best offer. 1 Game card, works well nothing fancy just a joystick port. I would like $10 + shipping or best offer. 1 INNOVATION Game / Sound Card, Has one game port and an adlib port. I never used it. ( I got a soundblaster cheep before I installed it) I would like $5 + shipping All offers considered, Buyer pays shipping. please resopnd to klwright@eos.ncsu.edu or (919) 834-3290 thanks ken " 6744,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: the usual Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 54 arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement. >Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive >decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the >weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things. >(Can you say ""neutron flux""?) Can you say, ""I get more background radiation from living in Denver or having an office in a limestone building than I do standing next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear warhead that is armed?"" Look up ""shielding"" in your dictionary. You don't need six feet of lead to make decent shielding; your dead skin cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles, and neutrons are slowed by mere *water*. What do you think 75% of you is? > Plus these things have no self- >defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as >a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use >(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration >(translation: cities and population centers). If the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal government, they are indeed useful weapons to the militia. They won't be too useful in certain areas, but leveling the Pentagon would be a ""good thing"" for said overthrow and it's likely one man carrying a backpack would stand a better chance than one thousand armed with Colt Peacemakers. Don't let self-defense become the only reason you can have a gun and your sole means of justification. Myself, I won't overthrow my government until it ceases to be my legal government, but if I need to I want every weapon I can get. One can just as easily say no rifle larger than a .22 is needed to kill a human being. They are right. When that human being is wearing armor and riding in an APC, things get a bit different. I don't see where the weapon is a problem. It's not. Only the manner of use is in contention here. > Not to mention that >for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live >requires some sort of launch vehicle . . . I guess you either don't have an alarm clock or have never heard the terms ""timer"" or ""martyr"" either. Don't forget remote detonation devices. That CB radio in the pickup next to you can easily transmit ten miles in decent weather. That's out of the blast radius of many portable nuclear devices. Just what is it about radioactive decay that has you worried? < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 6745,5,"From: schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 14 nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes: >> The problem occurs during the initial ""make World"". When >> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find >> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program ""ld"" >> which was updated for 4_1_3. >> > Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static >some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(. Or use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld. \Bernhard. " 6746,14,"From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question In-Reply-To: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 22:44:14 GMT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University <1993Apr18.224414.784@head-cfa.harvard.edu> Distribution: sci Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr18.224414.784@head-cfa.harvard.edu> jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) writes: My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew 'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'. Good grief. And I thought the Shuttle software was known for being well-engineered. If this is actually the case, every member of the programming team should be taken out and shot. (given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in maturity, I strongly doubt that this is the case). Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu " 6747,16,"From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) Subject: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Lines: 88 Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being distributed by the good folks who work there. Traders, BTW, is located in San Leandro, CA. Granted, the document may be asking you and I to help out Traders, but in the big scope of things, I feel that we would do all gun owners a favor by helping to this cause. Anyway, here it is: NEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP Are you letting the newspapers tell you how to live your life, what's good for you, what's not, and exercise blatant censorship over what you read in their advertisments? The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for sporting use or self-protection. They certainly have the right to do so, under the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. If you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor, yet refuse to run legitimate gun ads, please send a letter to the editors indicating your displeasure over their censorship doctrine. Following is a list of Bay area newspapers who censor gun ads. Perhaps you'd like to send them your thoughts on this issue! Oakland Tribune Daily Review Alameda Times-Star POB 28883 POB 5050 1516 Oak St. Oakland, CA 94604 Hayward,94540 Alameda, CA 94501 Argus Tri Valley Herald San Leandro Times 3850 Decoto Rd. POB 10367 161 W. Juana Ave. Fremont, CA 94555 Pleasanton, CA 94588 San Leandro, CA 94577 Contra Costa Times San Mateo Times San Francisco Chronicle POB 5088 POB 5400 901 Mission St. Walnut Creek, CA 94596 San Mateo, CA 94402 San Francisco, CA 94103 San Fran. Independent San Fran. Examiner San Jose Mercury News 1201 Evans Ave 110 5th St. 750 Ridder Park Dr. San Fran., CA 94124 San Fran., CA 94103 San Jose, CA 95190 Then there are six pages of ""facts"". I can not validate these facts, and there were no sources, but many feel and sound very true. Here are the topic headlines: - Big Media Snow Job - Blaming Firearms for Murder is Like Blaming Hospitals for Death - I could use the same Nazi Journalistic Technique of CBS and ABC to prove that Hospitals Cause Death - How NBC, CBS, and ABC have scammed the American people on ""gun control"" - American TV journalism is based on Nazi journalism - Why TV journalists lie - The Government with the help of the TV networks, has succeeded in playing one group against the other - Gun laws are unconstitutional - American gun laws are based on Nazi gun laws - The Government is trying to devide and conquer - The CIA wants your firearms and so on for six pages. So now we have the media trying help put gun dealers out of business by trying to limit their exposure to potential customers, and preventing the customers from reading about sales of ammunition and firearms for sporting, hunting, or other recreational use. Let me know if you write to any of these bozos. /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Peter D. Nesbitt | Air Traffic Controller | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM | | | Oakland Bay TRACON | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | CBR600F2 Pilot | NRA Member CCX1380F | S&W .41 Magnum Carrier | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 6748,3,"From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) Subject: Re: Where to buy Pentium motherboard? Lines: 13 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 13 >Has anybody bought a Pentium motherboard? If so or you where I can >buy it, please send me a E-mail. Thank you in advance. Pentium processors / motherboards are not available to the general public as of yet. Intel has released them to companies such as Gateway and Dell to do testing, etc. It'll be a while... ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet " 6749,7,"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT) Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr20.124228.5357@ncsu.edu> chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler) writes: >>Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when >>I bash my head on the corner. >>horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) > >The latter is probably because of the air bag. It's pretty much takes up >all the space where you'd expect to find the horn. > All Toyotas have airbags with a real horn. Come on, how hard can it be to put a little pressure plate there. I hope Toyota doesn't follow everyone else and make the horns little buttons that I wouldn't want to fumble for. john -- John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ " 6750,9,"From: moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!) Subject: The Bob Dylan Baseball Abstract Distribution: na Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 49 Just a little something I found while reading the Village Voice, which is not noted for its sports coverage, but occasionally the print some interesting features. This year, the predictions/team analyses for the 1993 season were presented in the form of Bob Dylan lyrics. I don't have the article in front of me, so I'll only give the memorable ones here that I remember and know the melody to. I could dig up more if there is interest. Yankess (to the tune of ""Subterranean Homesick Blues"") Howe is in the basement, mixing up the medicine. George is on the pavement thinking 'bout the government. Wade Boggs in a trench coat, bat out, paid off, Says he's got a bad back, wants to get it laid off. Look out kids, it's somethin' you did. Don't know when, but it's Columbus again. Mets (to the tune of ""Like a Rolling Stone"") Once upon a time you played so fine you threw away Dykstra before his prime, didn't you? People said ""Beware Cone, he's bound to roam"" But you thought they were just kidding you. You used to laugh about, The Strawberry that was headin' out. But now you don't talk so loud, Now you don't seem so proud, About having to shop Vince Coleman for your next deal.... Phillies (to the tune of ""Highway 61"") Well Daulton and Dykstra should have some fun, Just keep them off of Highway 61! Giants (to the tune of ""The Ballad of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter"") This is the story of the Magowan, The man St. Petersburg came to pan, For something that he never done, He sits in the owner's box but one... Day he could have been the Tampian of the world! _______________________________________________________________________________ Bill Moakler | LPO 10280 | !RUTGERS ANIME! moakler@remus.rutgers.edu| PO BOX 5064 | !ATLANTIC ANIME ALLIANCE! (908)-932-3465 |New Brunswick, NJ 08903| !CHIBI-CON '93! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not an OTAKU; I am a FREE MAN! " 6751,13,"From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders) Subject: Frozen shoulder and lawn mowing Organization: Eastern Illinois University Lines: 12 Ihave had a frozen shoulder for over a year or about a year. It is still partially frozen, and I am still in physical therapy every week. But the pain has subsided almost completely. UNTIL last week when I mowed the lawn for twenty minutes each, two days in a row. I have a push type power mower. The pain started back up a little bit for the first time in quite a while, and I used ice and medicine again. Can anybody explain why this particular activity, which does not seem to stress me very much generally, should cause this shoulder problem? Thanks. Alice " 6752,8,"From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh) Subject: Re: KREME Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu Distribution: rec Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >Hi folks! > >Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only >one man's opinion. > >Any one else have any experience with the stuff? > > On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam. I kreme it about a year ago and have had no problems at all. Be real careful as the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint. -Jim -- Jim Groh groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu | DoD #0356 | Hog# 0437643 |new improved 1959 XLH 900 ** 1982 FXR ** 1989 XLH 883 ** 1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig " 6753,5,"From: jeffcop@i88.isc.com (Jeff Copeland) Subject: HP Interface Architect Nntp-Posting-Host: laila.i88.isc.com Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Hey GUI folks, Does anyone out there have experience with the HP Interface Architect (GUI dev tool)? If so, can I call you and ask a couple of quick questions? I promise I'll be brief, the questions are simple, and of course I'll call on my nickel. Jeff Copeland jeffcop@i88.isc.com 708-505-9100 x330 INTERACTIVE Systems Corp. (now a Systemhouse co.) -- Jeff Copeland jeffcop@i88.isc.com 708-505-9100 x330 " 6754,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Nope. Here in Northern California, a newspaper recently did a survey, asking if people favored stricter gun controls. A full 40% said no. Here, in one of the most Liberal (it wasn't always a swear word :( areas of the country, nearly half the people don't want additional controls, let alone revocation of RKBA... >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. Misguided dolt though he may be (though, I still maintain, less dangerous than Bush), Clinton does not publicly support revoking the second amendment. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. Well, I'll help MY neighbors... >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Violent solutions are passe'? I take it you propose disarming the police, then? Please don't mention RKBA in the same breath as the KKK. RKBA is about being able to defend yourself and others, not about killing the innocent. Actually, your mention of the KKK is rather funny, considering that the first gun control law in the US were created specifically to disarm black people... don " 6755,16,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: JFFO has gone a bit too far Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 29 rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes: >|>Would somebody please post evidence that the gun control act of >|>1968 is ""a verbatim transcription"" of a nazi law? >|The ""evidence"" is that the two laws are basically identical. >|However, that's not evidence that one is a copy of the other. >|There's no evidence that the 68 GCA's authors used the nazi law as a >|guide. Yes, they ended up with roughly the same thing, but that comes >|from their shared goal, disarming those menacing minorities. >I thought the same thing too, until JPFO's RKBA article >in the latest Guns & Ammo >at the newstands. This article makes it certain that Sen. Thomas Dodd >(D-MD?) back before 1968 definitely asked for a translation of the >German weapons laws back then. Read the article, and see what you think >of JPFO's argument. They note that Ted Kennedy and John Dingell are >among the three of the originals left from the 1968 stuff, and they >are asking that folks request of John Dingell that he introduce >legislation to lift GCA '68, something which I would support whole- >heartedly! >|-andy Can someone post a general idea of what GCA '68 does? Thanks. " 6756,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Armed Citizen - April '93 Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 22 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) / 9:23 am Apr 13, 1993 / In article <1993Apr5.164728.10847@dazixco.ingr.com> crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com writes: >> >>THE ARMED CITIZEN >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents >>crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The >>Armed Citizen. > >Perhaps so, but note that of the accounts cited, there was only >one in which no shot was fired. Of the other twelve, five >described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot, >and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a >shot. Follow more than one months posting. As more than one reader has noted, there IS some reporting bias here. I have seen months where these numbers were reversed. I don't keep a constant tally, but it seems this particular issue had more shots fired than any other I can remember. Rick. " 6757,3,"From: cdw@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Walton) Subject: Upgrading a modem ... Organization: Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University Lines: 19 I have an old tandon type modem (that's all the info I have apart from the fact that it is black!). Does anyone have any info about this modem or upgrading it ??? Reply by e-mail please to cdw@dcs.ed.ac.uk. =============================================================================== = Chris - E-mail: cdw@dcs.ed.ac.uk or C.Walton@ed or p92019@cplab.ph.ed.ac.uk = = Tel.: 031-667-9764 or 0334-74244 (at weekends) = = Write: 4/2 Romero Place, Edinburgh, EH16 5BJ. = =============================================================================== Finagle's Fourth Law: Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it only makes it worse. =============================================================================== -- =============================================================================== = Chris - E-mail: cdw@dcs.ed.ac.uk or C.Walton@ed or p92019@cplab.ph.ed.ac.uk = = Tel.: 031-667-9764 or 0334-74244 (at weekends) = = Write: 4/2 Romero Place, Edinburgh, EH16 5BJ. = " 6758,8,"From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) Subject: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 10 Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one? (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one) Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM. -- Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu 722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks 606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD " 6759,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: NL vs. AL? <93102.164224RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <1993Apr13.184311.16351@news.yale.edu> Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr13.184311.16351@news.yale.edu>, (Sean Garrison) says: > >In article <93102.164224RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu >wrote: > >> pitchers who are doing well are >> more likely to be taken out of the game in the nl than they are in the al, >> so it seems to me that the al, not the nl, promotes pitchers' duels. >> >> bob vesterman. > > >On what basis do you make this statement? > > Q Sean are you serious? pitchers are pinch-hit for in the nl. they are not in the nl. if a pitcher is cranking in the al, he will stay in the game. if he is cranking in the nl, he may not - ESPECIALLY if it's a pitchers' duel, and his team needs an extra run. bob vesterman. " 6760,11,"From: mcbay@clam.com (George McBay) Subject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. Distribution: na Organization: Clam Associates Lines: 21 In article <1qsvfcINNq9v@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: [A lot of this article has been deleted for space.] > Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our > own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought, > tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use > screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously* > define for us. The Clipper standard *is* the first step toward outlawing other strong encryption standards. If the government didn't intend to outlaw other forms of encryption, than Clipper is just a big waste of time and money. Why, you ask? Because anyone who is transferring data that any government agency could use against him/her would be a total fool to use the Clipper system..So why add the backdoor-key if all lawbreakers will use alternate encryption methods? Because they assume they can just do away with everything else. I, for one, am planning on boycotting any equipment that contains clipper technology. " 6761,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 76 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article Thomas Parsli writes: > > > Observations from a naive norwegian: > > 1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to > have something more macho than stamps to collect..... > > 2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than > with a knife or a bat (as in baseball). > > 3) It's not very wise to compare two completely different > countries like USA and, let's say, Island on issues like > crime and violence. > > 4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools > beeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration. > Only as far as it affects the crime rate. > > We have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently > it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun. > Shotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it > was so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes. > The solution was to restrict the sale, so it's now necessary to > apply and register your shotgun. > And -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell..... Did the RATE of crime fall? If not, the ban was of no use. It is the rate of violent crime that matters, not the tools used. ""It's the crime, stupid!"" > There are now a new law against wearing long knives in public, > and why should it be allowed ?? > Apparently that became the weapon of choice after the shotguns were banned. After that, they'll decide the car of choice is the Saab, and propose a ban on that! > What I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that > you (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence > than on nudity and sex. > Try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder... > > Yes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human > right to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun > in your car?? > Yes. We still trust honest people here. For the time being. > > The bad english is not my fault, it's probably > the keyboard-software or the quality of the > subtext on tv...... > > > Disclamer(not): > These are the views of all studens at my university, > all Norwegians and probably whole of the universe... > > > Thomas Parsli > thomasp@ifi.uio.no > -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 6762,1,"From: msc_wdqn@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Daniel Q Naiman) Subject: Geometry package Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu I am looking for a package which takes as inputs a set of geometric objects defined by unions of convex polytopes specified in some manner, say by inequalities and equalities, and determines in some reasonable form things like intersections, unions, etc. etc.. Does anyone know where I can find such a thing? Dan Naiman Department of Mathematical Sciences Johns Hopkins University " 6763,16,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Gun Talk -- Legislative Update for States Keywords: gun talk, ila Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 27 viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >>IOWA: All firearm related bills are dead. Senate File 303 >>dealing with off-duty police officers carrying concealed remains >>viable. > The *POWER* of the word processor and a stamp at work. >The fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than >nine miles from any constituent doesn't hurt, either. >< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > >< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > >< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > >< unusual people. And flame them. > Does anyone know the particulars on the Senate File 303? Does this bill allow or deny off-duty police from carrying concealed? From what information that I have, Iowa has a discretionary permit policy on CCW. If S 303 allows police(off-duty) to carry concealed then I would be inclined to oppose it. I don't believe off-duty police officers should have any more rights than civilians. If law or policy prevents law-abiding citizens from being armed for self defense then why should off-duty police officer be treated any differently. " 6764,0,"From: JDB1145@tamvm1.tamu.edu Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu In article <65934@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: > >Nanci Ann Miller writes: > ]The ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the ]current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text ]has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This ]shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner ]are likely to makes some pains to make good copies. Tell it to King James, mate. ]C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, ] + but strife closed in the sod. ]mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: ]tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" John Burke, jdb1145@summa.tamu.edu " 6765,5,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e) Organization: western geophysical exploration products Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com In-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 22 Apr 1993 01:02:41 GMT >>>>> On 22 Apr 1993 01:02:41 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said: Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com >>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said: Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com Doug> I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 Doug> (the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not Doug> working properly with shared libraries. Doug> I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches. Doug> For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch Doug> of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The Doug> build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is Doug> going on. Doug> ....following up on this, the specific error I get is: Doug> Could not load program ./xset Doug> Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Doug> Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o] Doug> Error was: Exec format error .... a search on IBMLINK revealed that this is similar to IX33890 (howervre this was closed USE). -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 " 6766,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Peace talks ... Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 23 From Israeline 4/14 Today's MA'ARIV reports that yesterday, following Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's meeting with PLO Chief Yasser Arafat and prominent Palestinian Faisal al-Husseini, the latter said that in principle, the Palestinians have decided to participate in the peace talks. Nonetheless, he noted that everything will be decided upon at the meeting of the Arab foreign ministers in Damascus. The newspaper also reports that threatening phone calls were recently made to houses of several of the senior members of the Palestinian delegation to the peace talks. The threats, in Arabic, demanded that the delegates not go to Washington to, ""sell out the Palestinian people."" One caller threatened, ""Should you go, you will not find your family alive upon your return."" The newspaper states that such phone calls were received, as far as is known, at the houses of Faisal al-Husseini, Hanan Ashrawi and others. ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 6767,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 20 In article salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) writes: >I like those lyrics, >since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical, >evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because >I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black >Sabbath, I have something to throw back.... >It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the >world to battle than rock lyrics........... It just goes to show that not all evangelical fundamentalists are pharisitical! I wear a black leather jacket, like classic rock, but no longer have the long locks I once had. However, I too rely upon the Bible as a basis for Christian ethics. a fundamentalistic evangelical, --Rex " 6768,5,"From: gvanvugh@cs.uct.ac.za (Gerhard van Vught) Subject: Problem with libararies (?) Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town Lines: 50 I have been trying to compile some source code for a mpeg animation viewer for X Windows. I got the code from a ftp site. I have modified the Makefile as they instructed, no errors there. What happens is that I get the following message when everything is going to be linked: cc util.o video.o parseblock.o motionvector.o decoders.o fs2.o fs2fast.o fs4.o hybrid.o hybriderr.o 2x2.o gdith.o gray.o mono.o main.o jrevdct.o 24bit.o util32.o ordered.o ordered2.o mb_ordered.o /lib/libX11.so /lib/libXext.so -lm -o mpeg_play Undefined first referenced symbol in file getnetpath /lib/libX11.so t_alloc /lib/libX11.so t_unbind /lib/libX11.so t_open /lib/libX11.so t_rcvdis /lib/libX11.so netdir_free /lib/libX11.so t_error /lib/libX11.so netdir_getbyname /lib/libX11.so getnetconfigent /lib/libX11.so t_look /lib/libX11.so t_errno /lib/libX11.so t_close /lib/libX11.so netdir_getbyaddr /lib/libX11.so t_listen /lib/libX11.so t_rcv /lib/libX11.so setnetpath /lib/libX11.so t_bind /lib/libX11.so t_connect /lib/libX11.so t_accept /lib/libX11.so nc_perror /lib/libX11.so inet_addr /lib/libX11.so ld: mpeg_play: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to mpeg_play *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Does anyone know where these missing functions are located? If you do can you help me with it? I posted before to one of the other Unix groups, I tried their suggestions but always get this error. If you have to know: I am using Unix system V. The machines here are 486's. The terminals I want to use are separate and just called X-terminals and they seem dedicated to that. I'm not sure as to what they really are, since it is one of my first times out with this X-windows gidget! That is, first time programming for it, so to speak. I use them alot just for the graphics things. If you can help, mail me soon. Gerard. " 6769,11,"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: Re: Clipper Crap Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 9 >encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the >privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield >criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other ""Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."" -- William Pitt -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = " 6770,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 49 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) says: >In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: >> >> If you look through this newsgroup, you should be >> able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative > ^^^^^^^^^ >> for our computer networks and telephone systems. >> >> This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least >> the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> bill. > >What kind of brainless clod posted the above garbage? Would they be What kind of brainless clod doesn't understand the difference between a ""PROPOSED BILL, BLOCKED IN CONGRESS"" and an ""EXECUTIVE ORDER, ISSUED BY CLINTON, AND CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS"". Here, let me give a remedial course in thinking: In order to create the appearance of low interest rates, Uncle Sam has shifted his debt from long-term to short-term securities. In effect, Uncle Sam has transformed the Federal Goverment into one giant S&L, waiting to blow. Short-term rates rise ---> Interest payments on Deficit rise ---> Uncle Sammy has to borrow more ----> Causing Short-term rates to rise. Uncle Sammy gets caught in a positive feedback loop. His options: i) Raise taxes a truly unimaginable amount ii) Make truly unimaginable spending cuts Results of i): large numbers of pissed-off citizens Results of ii): large numbers of pissed-off citizens Uncle Sammy has thoughtfully taken the initiative to pre-empt the use of communication newtworks to foster a nation-wide, grassroots uprising. " 6771,5,"From: m91nen@tdb.uu.se (Nils Engstrom) Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411 Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University Lines: 15 In article Wilson Swee writes: >_sin >_cos >_pow >_floor Link with '-lm' (math library). >_get_wmShellWidgetClass >_get_applicationShellWidgetClass This is a bug in Sun's shared libraries. Linking with '-assert nodefinitions' should do the trick. n " 6772,13,Subject: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) Organization: Actrix Information Exchange Lines: 9 My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio Syndrome This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different symptons ( eg chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have any information on it Thanks Keith 6773,7,"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Westminster Distribution: usa Lines: 8 Dumbest options? Well here in the UK, BMW offer a 'no-smokers' option... It just means they take the fag lighter out.... big deal.... BTW - I just bought a Honda CRX F1..... its neat... did consider an MR2 targa, MX5 (you guys call it Miata?).... but that CRX just one my heart with that body kit and 8-spokes.... ps: is Richard out there somewhere? " 6774,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 85 In article Thomas Parsli writes: >Drivers licence: >Forgot that USA is THE land of cars..... >Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy. >Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather...... Is the license required for driving a car exclusively on private property, such as a farm? Here in the United States, the license is required only for the use of public roads. >Abuse by the goverment: >This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control >would just be abused by the goverment.(!) >Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should >get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) We also have a nation of 250 million people, _many_ issues and usually only two candidates for a given office. A President might be willing to abuse mild gun control laws and create a de-facto ban (something a majority of the people would object to) and still be elected: The voters might look at issues like the civil rights of minorities, health care, etc... and vote for the ""lesser of two evils."" I don't think this is a matter of paranoia, since local governments in (for example) New York and Chicago have abused existing, mild gun control laws to create a virtual ban. >Guns 'n Criminals: >MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. >Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. In which case, the United States already has adaquate gun control laws: According to federal statistic, only 7% of gun-wielding criminals legally purchase their own guns from licensed dealers. If that's the point of gun control (to prevent criminals from legally purchasing guns) then America doesn't need any additional laws to accomplish this. >Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: >What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! How is this any different from guns? There are legal purposes for owning and using a gun: They are appropriate tools for hunting, target shooting and self-defence. Like cars, murder isn't their only (or even a common) use. >If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them >or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, >it's the 'axer' ?? I certainly couldn't imagine the American public accepting regulation of axes. While the politics of other nations may be different, in America there is strong opposition to any intrusive law that primarily would effect the average, law-abiding citizen who had not done anything wrong. >Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect >themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? A good way to deal with which problem? It is an excelent way to deal with the short-term problem of rioting and violent attacks. Of course, it doesn't do anything for the long-term issues that start riots. But at this point, what can these individuals do about long-term social problems? >If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have >guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) There are, according to surveys, guns in 40% of American homes. In many parts of the country, this is closer to 100%. Those places where almost everyone owns a gun are, on average, safer than those where guns are less common. >LAST WORD: >Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if >you want to protect your citicens. This is, I think, a fundamental difference between American government and that of other nations. Here it is not acceptable to punish or restrict the average, law-abiding citizen in the name of some vague ""common good."" Frank Crary CU Boulder " 6775,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: <>The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People >>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. >That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather >pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler >arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used >in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest >of the population. These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" that will lead to worse things? keith " 6776,18,"From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 29 johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: >Nigel Allen (ndallen@r-node.hub.org) wrote: >: Here is a press release from the California Department of Insurance. >: >: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to >: Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies >---------------- >I may be a little dense but I would have thought that protecting consumers >from scam insurance companies would be the prime objective of something >called the Cal insurance Commission. If they aren't accomplishing that now >then why do we need them? Very simple. An 'Insurance Commissioner' is a bureaucrat - a regulator. It is his/her duties to make rules to enforce laws. He/she cannot make laws. If there is no law that covers a specific subject, say scam insurance companies, a regulator cannot create one. So they have to go to a proper legislative body to get such a law enacted. For the California Insurance Commissioner, there are two possible legislative bodies: the California State Legislature and the U.S. Congress. We all know how little the California State Legislature accomplishes, esp. along the lines of insurance reform legislation (negative movement). So Garamendi wants the feds to do it, because: (a) he has a better chance of getting a federal law through, and (b) since many of the scam companies work across state lines/national borders, it is better to have a law that reach out into other jurisdictions. >John Eaton >!hp-vcd!johne " 6777,2,"From: dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek A. Piasecki) Subject: Re: Ami Pro 3.0 and PCTools compress?!? Doesn't like being moved? Keywords: Ami Pro 3.0 PCTools compress Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 13 Sorry about that - don't want to alarm anyone... I don't think there is any correlation between the crashes and PCTools. I reinstalled Ami Pro, and ran compress again, with no problems. I think problems may have been related to filling my disk until it had 0 bytes (!) left while FTPing, although I would think it wouldn't matter since Ami Pro wasn't running at the time, and I made space available immediately anyways. But, whatever, the cause, it is working now. -Derek " 6778,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Playoff Pool Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Lines: 15 As I've mentioned in the rules posting, I will be out of town until the day before the entry deadline, so I won't be able to respond to your messages until April 18. I would be grateful if someone could repost the rules and instructions for the playoff pool sometime next week, for the benefit of those who missed the first two postings. Thanks. -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 6779,3,"From: U52885@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 486DX/33 too noisy Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.135225U52885 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 15 In article <114152@bu.edu>, lcai@acs2.bu.edu says: > >I just received my Gateway 2000 486DX/33 mini-desktop system. >The first thing I noticed when I plugged in the power cord is the >noise that comes from the fan. In fact I can hear the noise in If your Gateway is equipped with a Western hard drive, then the noise is probably coming from there and not from the fan. The Western drives are notoriously noisy. On the other hand, if you don't have a Western drive, then maybe it is the fan. There's not alot to do about it except insulate around the cpu somehow. Barry Aldridge U of I/Chicago & 24-Hour Bar-B-Q Standard Old Disclaimer " 6780,17,"From: jamshid@cgl.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh) Subject: PR Campaign Against Iran (PBS Frontline) Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF Lines: 51 Originator: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu There have been a number of articles on the PBS frontline program about Iranian bomb. Here is my $0.02 on this and related subjects. One is curious to know the real reasons behind this and related public relations campaign about Iran in recent months. These include: 1) Attempts to implicate Iran in the bombing of the New York Trade Center. Despite great efforts in this direction they have not succeeded in this. They, however, have indirectly created the impression that Iran is behind the rise of fundamentalist Islamic movements and thus are indirectly implicated in this matter. 2) Public statements by the Secretary of State Christoffer and other official sources regarding Iran being a terrorist and outlaw state. 3) And finally the recent broadcast of the Frontline program. I suspect that this PR campaign against Iran will continue and perhaps intensify. Why this increased pressure on Iran? A number of factors may have been behind this. These include: 1) The rise of Islamic movements in North-Africa and radical Hamas movement in the Israeli occupied territories. This movement is basically anti-western and is not necessarily fueled by Iran. The cause for accelerated pace of this movement is probably the Gulf War which sought to return colonial Shieks and Amirs to their throne in the name of democracy and freedom. Also, the obvious support of Algerian military coup against the democratically elected Algerian Islamic Front which clearly exposed the democracy myth. A further cause of this may be the daily broadcast of the news on the slaughter of Bosnian Moslems. 2) Possible future implications of this movement in Saudi Arabia and other US client states and endangerment of the cheap oil sources from this region. 3) A need to create an enemy as an excuse for huge defense expenditures. This has become necessary after the demise of Soveit Union. The recent PR campaign against Iran, however, seems to be directed from Israel rather than Washington. There is no fundamental conflict of interest between Iran and the US and in my opinion, it is in the interest of both countries to affect reestablishment of normal and friendly relations. This may have a moderating effect on the rise of radical movements within the Islamic world and Iran . --jamshid " 6781,13,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) Article-I.D.: cup.79700 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 36 > Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. > Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will > then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic > engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. > No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should > we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, > Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS? Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes, but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics. We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that future technology has to offer. For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid Mary. We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people with harmful memes. They should not be allowed to infect other people with their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic fields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters. " 6782,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Toxoplasmosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 33 In article <1240002@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM> sude@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM (#Susanne Denninger) writes: > >1. How dangerous is it ? From whom is it especially dangerous ? > Dangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses. To them, it is extremely dangerous. Most of the rest of us have already had it and it isn't dangerous at all. >2. How is it transmitted (I read about raw meat and cats, but I'd like to > have more details) ? > Cat feces are the worst. Pregnant women should never touch the litter box. >3. What can be done to prevent infection ? > Cook your meat. Watch it with pets. >4. What are the symptoms and long-term effects ? > You'll have to read up on it. >5. What treatments are availble ? > There is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check. Of course, it can't reverse damage already done, such as in a fetus. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6783,3,"From: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) Subject: VL-bus HDD/FDD controller or IDE HDD/FDD controller? Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server Lines: 20 Hi, I am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a HDD/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD/FDD controller faster than 16 bit IDE HDD/FDD controller card? I hear that the VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller? Which one is true? Please shed some light by email or post. Thanks a lot. Best regards, ____________________________________________________________________________ | Beng-Hang Tay | Telnet: 520 8732 | | Singapore Networks Operation | Phone: (65) 279 8732 | | Hewlett-Packard Singapore Pte. Ltd. | Fax: (65) 272 2780 | | 1150 Depot Road | Internet: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com | | Singapore 0410 | | | Republic of Singapore | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6784,3,"From: wayne@amtower.spacecoast.org (Wayne Summer) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Distribution: world Reply-To: wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith Organization: Wayne's Machine; Palm Bay, Florida Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.235509.29818@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: > > I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented > data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better > (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when > managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. I have been following this thread and figured I'd throw in my two cents... The Amiga Zorro II bus is comparable with the ISA bus (7.16 vs 8.33 MHZ). The Amiga has had a pre-emptative multi-tasking OS since '85 and can operate with 1 MB RAM! SCSI is used almost exclusively on these systems. A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data and moves it to memory. A controller that allows reselection can operate even better with multiple devices. This is espically true with SCSI tape units. For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be what I am doing while reading this group. Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which, thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to completely get rid of IDE. -- Wayne Summer // AMIGA - Simply the Best. Palm Bay, FL. US \X/ wayne@amtower.spacecoast.org Quote of the week: Don't hate microsoft because because they are microsoft, though...hate them because their products are lame - Found in c.s.ibm.pc.misc " 6785,10,"Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute Distribution: na From: Raj Ramnarace Subject: Maple Leafs Update Lines: 8 For those Leaf fans who are concerned, the following players are slated for return on Thursday's Winnipeg-Toronto game : Peter Zezel, John Cullen Mark Osborne and Dave Ellett are questionable to return on Thursday. All regular players who were injured (including Dimitri Mironov) should be back for Saturday's home game against the Flyers. " 6786,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Henry, didn't the Little Joe and Big Joe get built in under a year? 6 months for little Joe, and 12 Months for Big Joe? i thought i saw something on that for a old mercury film. pat " 6787,11,"From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 139 The following document summarizes the Clipper Chip, how it is used, how programming of the chip is coupled to key generation and the escrow process, and how law enforcement decrypts communications. Since there has been some speculation on this news group about my own involvement in this project, I'd like to add that I was not in any way involved. I found out about it when the FBI briefed me on Thursday evening, April 15. Since then I have spent considerable time talking with the NSA and FBI to learn more about this, and I attended the NIST briefing at the Department of Commerce on April 16. The document below is the result of that effort. Dorothy Denning --------------- THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Dorothy Denning April 19, 1993 INTRODUCTION On April 16, the President announced a new initiative that will bring together the Federal Government and industry in a voluntary program to provide secure communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. At the heart of the plan is a new tamper-proof encryption chip called the ""Clipper Chip"" together with a split-key approach to escrowing keys. Two escrow agencies are used, and the key parts from both are needed to reconstruct a key. CHIP STRUCTURE The Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. Throughput is 16 Mbits a second. Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure conversation, my security device will negotiate a session key K with the device at the other end (in general, any method of key exchange can be used). The key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then fed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block. The law enforcement block thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family key F. CHIP PROGRAMMING AND ESCROW All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (secure computer information facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at Mikotronx. At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters an 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters an 80-bit value S2. These values serve as seeds to generate keys for a sequence of serial numbers. To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent 2 takes the second disk. The third disk is used to program the chips. After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional assurance that no information is left behind. The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2, and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to the escrow agencies. The escrow agencies have as yet to be determined, but they will not be the NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other law enforcement agency. One or both may be independent from the government. LAW ENFORCEMENT USE When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with Clipper. They will first decrypt the law enforcement block with the family key F. This gives them E[K; U] + N. They will then take a warrant identifying the chip serial number N to each of the key escrow agents and get back U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will be accomplished through a special black box decoder operated by the FBI. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. All information is based on information provided by NSA, NIST, and the FBI. Permission to distribute this document is granted. " 6788,9,"From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Pinch Hitters (WAS Re: Denny Walling) Article-I.D.: blue.7960 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 20 rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) said: > >(And I thought Mota didn't really start pinch-hitting for a >living until after 1973) Depends on what you mean by ""for a living"". 1974 was the year he led the league in pinch-hit at bats with 50, but he'd been getting a lot of PH ABs earlier than that, and was never a full-time player. 20-35 PH ABs early in his career, 15-20 a year just before going to the Dodgers, and 30-50 in the peak years. We're talking about a guy with a 20-year career as an outfielder, a .300+ career batting average, and 1130 or so career hits. -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands " 6789,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1qju0bINN10l@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes: > There was a Science fiction movie sometime ago (I do not remember its > name) about a planet in the same orbit of Earth but hidden behind the > Sun so it could never be visible from Earth. This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K. It was produced by the great team of Gerry and Sylvia Anderson (whose science was usually a bit better than this). It may have been their first production using live actors-- they were better known for their technophilic puppet shows, such as *Supercar*, *Stingray*, and *Thunderbirds*. Later, they went on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to look at. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | In a churchyard in the valley Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Where the myrtle doth entwine Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | There grow roses and other posies Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Fertilized by Clementine. SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | " 6790,6,"From: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU Subject: WholeSale TV sets. Organization: University of Houston Lines: 3 Reply-To: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu We are representing some Chinese TV manufacturers who want to wholesale their products to Latin American countries. We are looking for brokers/agents who can help us. Products include both color and black/white TVs from 11"" to 24"". If interested, please e-mail or fax to Mr Z Ho at 713-926-7953 (USA) for more information or inquiries. good commission. " 6791,8,"From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) Subject: Re: Bike advice Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 11 Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the '90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you... Sincerely, Nathaniel ZX-10 DoD 0812 AMA " 6792,1,"From: ch381@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James K. Black) Subject: NEEDED: algorithms for 2-d & 3-d object recognition Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 23 Reply-To: ch381@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James K. Black) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Hi, I have a friend who is working on 2-d and 3-d object recognition. He is looking for references describing algorithms on the following subject areas: Thresholding Edge Segmentation Marr-Hildreth Sobel Operator Chain Codes Thinning - Skeletonising If anybody is willing to post an algorithm that they have implemented which demonstrates any of the above topics, it would be much appreciated. Please post all replies to my e-mail address. If requested I will post a summary to the newsgroup in a couple of weeks. Thanks in advance for all replies James eb192@city.ac.uk " 6793,8,"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu>, jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: |> Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull |> info available on this newsgroup. Isn't this redundent? " 6794,18,"From: c115184@cs.UAlberta.CA (Merth Eric William) Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Red Army Fraction (RAF) communique Nntp-Posting-Host: assn119.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 19 >In article , cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes: >|>As quoted from by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker): >|> >|>> Isn't it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate >|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism? >|> >|>Gee Phil, I'd remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >|>net. I'd also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed ^^^ Damn. It isn't Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. ('cause _everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even if it has to get you killed first]). What a fool I've been. " 6795,15,"From: JJMARVIN@pucc.princeton.edu Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Princeton University Lines: 25 In article ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes: > One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is >when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic. > >We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again >christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to >christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were >""spiritually hungry."" Instead of answering questions with sweetness and >sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, ""flame"" the queries. Although I certainly agree with the basic sentiment that snideness is unloving and ineffective, I'm a little disturbed by the formulation that ill temper is not a Christian trait. It seems like a false argument to say that anyone who displays trait X must not be a Christian. Could well be a sinning Christian, but a Christian nonetheless. Anger is human, and Christians are human: Christians get angry and defensive and react badly just like everyone else. It's not perfect righteousness but the effort of seeking righteousness that marks a dedicated Christian. And one of the greatest gifts of faith to me is that of seeking and accepting forgiveness for my failures. Expecting flawless behavior from self or others isn't Christianity: it's perfectionism. " 6796,2,"From: gtoye@pssparc2.mitek.com (Gene Toye) Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX Lines: 8 For Windows 3.1, I have had the best luck using the Epson LQ-2550 drivers with my Citizen GXS-140+. Be sure to download the updated version from Microsoft that allows margin settings. -- Gene Toye, Senior Software Engineer gtoye@pssparc2.oc.com OpenConnect Systems, 2711 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX 75234 214/888-0454 DISCLAIMER: My employer had no idea I was going to say that. " 6797,9,"Subject: Re: Young Catchers From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 27 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: >Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!) >he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was >returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now >his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your >point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now >he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball. >Duh. Methinks you recall wrong. Mitchell hit close to .300 in Atlanta and continued to walk alot after his promotion. He was then (I think) left off the playoff roster, and started the next year in the minors where even the Braves will tell you he underperformed because he was so mad at going back down. he struggled last year, no doubt, but even the Braves blamed part of it on the demotion. I'd much rather have Mitchell than say Mark Whiten on the Cards. Russ Smith ******************************************************************************* ""I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."" George Gervin on being an assistant coach ******************************************************************************** " 6798,14,"From: ktj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (kerry todd johnson) Subject: army in space Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: beach.cis.ufl.edu Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal with space? After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army, and I would like to spend it in a space-related field. I saw a post a long time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to its Army counter-part. Any more info on that would be appreciated. I'm looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other? To whom do I voice my interest in space? What qualifications are necessary? Etc, etc. BTW, my major is computer science engineering. Please reply to ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu Thanks for ANY info. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be = = considered an enemy planet. -- Jack Handy = ---ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu---cirop59@elm.circa.ufl.edu---endeavour@circa.ufl.edu-- " 6799,15,"From: MNHCC@cunyvm.bitnet (Marty Helgesen) Subject: Public/Private Revelation (formerly Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: City University of New York Lines: 35 Mark Ashley's account of private revelation does not, as some might think, contradict my posting in which I said that the Catholic Church believes that public revelation, on which Catholic doctrine is based, ended with the death of St. John, the last Apostle. In that posting I made sure I used the word ""public"". Public revelation contains God's truth intended for everyone to believe. The revelation contained in the Bible is a significant subset of public revelation. Private revelation is revelation that God gives to an individual. He may speak directly to the individual, He may send an angel, or He may send the Virgin Mary or some lesser saint. The only person who is required to believe a private revelation is the person to whom it is revealed. Devotional practices may be based on reported private revelations, but doctrines can not. When an alleged private revelation attracts sufficient attention, the Church may investigate it. If the investigation indicates a likelihood that the alleged private revelation is in fact from God, it will be approved. That means that it can be preached in the Church. However, it is still true that no one is required to believe that it came from God. A Catholic is free to deny the authenticity of even the most well attested and strongly approved private revelations, such as those at Fatima and Lourdes. (I suspect that few if any Catholics do reject Fatima and Lourdes, but if any do their rejection of them does not mean they are not orthodox Catholics in good standing.) I do not have at hand a list of the criteria the Church uses in evaluating an alleged private revelation--it's not something I need every day--but I know that one of the primary requirements is that nothing in the alleged private revelation can contradict anything known through public revelation ------- Marty Helgesen Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ""What if there were no such thing as a hypothetical situation?"" " 6800,15,"From: sdixon@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon) Subject: Re: My original post (Was Jesus Black?) Organization: Bowling Green State University Student Lines: 11 My, my, my. I knew that I would receive a response to my post, but not THIS extensive. Thank you to all who responded; it at least showed that people were willing to think about it, even though the general response was a return to the same old ""Why should it matter?"" question. To those of you who were a part of this response, I suggest that you read the articles covering this same question in soc.culture.african.american, for you are in DIRE need of some cultural enlightenment. Hasta luego Sherlette " 6801,7,From: brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Brian Donnell) Subject: FOR SALE: '91 Celica Repair Manuals Nntp-Posting-Host: hotspare.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division Lines: 12 Two-volume soft-cover repair manuals for all models of '91 Toyota Celicas. (Probably good for '92 models as well.) Like new condition. These are the manuals used by the Toyota dealers' mechanics - they normally cost over $80 new. $50 OBO Brian Donnell brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov 6802,15,"From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 72 In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: >>In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >> > ... >> > >> >Are all truths also absolutes? >> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? >> > >> >If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can >> >explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and >> >which truths are absolutes. >> >> The answer to both questions is yes. > >Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then. To me, >an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture, >situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree >with this definition? I think you do: > >> Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a >> contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always >> true. Obviously, if a ""truth"" is not always ""true"" then we have a >> contradiction in terms. Yes, I do agree with your definition. My use of the term ""always"" is rather deceptive, I admit. >A simple example: > >In the New Testament (sorry I don't have a Bible at work, and can't >provide a reference), women are instructed to be silent and cover >their heads in church. Now, this is scripture. By your definition, >this is truth and therefore absolute. Hold it. I said that all of scripture is true. However, discerning exactly what Jesus, Paul and company were trying to say is not always so easy. I don't believe that Paul was trying to say that all women should behave that way. Rather, he was trying to say that under the circumstances at the time, the women he was speaking to would best avoid volubility and cover their heads. This has to do with maintaining a proper witness toward others. Remember that any number of relativistic statements can be derived from absolutes. For instance, it is absolutely right for Christians to strive for peace. However, this does not rule out trying to maintain world peace by resorting to violence on occasion. (Yes, my opinion.) >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) >Can you reconcile this? Sure. The Bible preaches absolute truths. However, exactly what those truths are is sometimes a matter of confusion. As I said, the Bible does preach absolute truths. Sometimes those fundamental principles are crystal clear (at least to evangelicals). Sometimes they are not so clear to everyone (e.g. should baptism be by full immersion or not, etc). That is largely because sometimes, it is not explicitly spelled out whether the writers are speaking to a particular culture or to Christianity as a whole. This is where scholarship and the study of Biblical contexts comes in. >It's very difficult to see how you can claim something which is based >on your own *interpretation* is absolute. God revealed his Truths to the world, through His Word. It is utterly unavoidable, however, that some people whill come up with alternate interpretations. Practically anything can be misinterpreted, especially when it comes to matters of right and wrong. Care to deny that? -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. " 6803,10,"From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman) Subject: Re: Playoff Predictions Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca In article <1993Apr04.223559.7129@rose.com>, jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: [... stuff deleted ...] > >I don't understand why so many people are predicting an upset against >Pittsburgh. The team has won 12 in a row coming into the playoffs. >They've won practically every game that they've really wanted to win >all year (including critical victories against the Caps and one >against a hot Bruins team **at the Gaahden**). The team is probably at >its peak (stronger than the previous 2 Stanley Cup winners). I mean, I >know they can lose but it would be a **large** upset. I personally >think teams are going to be hard pressed to win 1 or 2 games in any >series against the Pens (and I'm **not** a Pittsburgh fan). > I have to agree here. As I heard on TSN tonight, ""You want to pick someone else, but you just don't see how you can"". And I'm a Bruins fan. Maybe this year will be different, but it doesn't look good. Time will tell, though. [... lots more deleted ...] Randy -- Randy A. Coulman, M.Sc. | ARIES Laboratory Research Assistant | Department of Computational Science | University of Saskatchewan coulman@cs.Usask.ca | Saskatoon, SK S7N 0W0 " 6804,8,"From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 21 I first heard it about academic politics but the same thought seems to apply to the BMWMOA ""The politics is so dirty because the stakes are so small."" Who cares? I get my dues-worth from the ads and occasional technical articles in the ""News"". I skip the generally drab articles about someone's trek across Iowa. If some folks get thrilled by the power of the BMWMOA, they deserve whatever thrills their sad lives provide. BTW, I voted for new blood just to keep things stirred up. Henry Prange Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405 DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215 ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2 The four tenets of all major religions: 1. I am right. 2. You are wrong. 3. Hence, you deserve to be punished. 4. By me. " 6805,7,"From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 14 In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: > I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the >$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be >driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel >some acceleration. Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty >low maintenance costs. A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car >that is all show and not much go. Even though many of the imports are fast, I >don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four >clyinder. I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine. If you have any suggestions, >Kevin Parker There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled: 5.0 LITER MUSTANG " 6806,19,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr16.173720.19151@scic.intel.com> sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes: >In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>Why isn't this falsifiable? I.E. There is no God, the world has existed forever >>and had no starting point. ? > >How does one falsify God's existance? This, again, is a belief, not a scien- >tific premise. The original thread referred specifically to ""scientific >creationism"". This means whatever theory or theories you propose must be >able to be judged by the scientific method. This is in contrast to >purely philosophical arguments. If given a definite definition of ""God"", it is sometimes possible to falsify the existance of that God. But, when one refuses to give an immutable definition, one can not. --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. " 6807,14,"From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) Subject: SSRT Roll-Out Speech Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 101 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net SSRT ROLLOUT Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden, The Deputy for Technology, SDIO Mcdonnell Douglas - Huntington Beach April 3,1993 Most of you, as am I, are ""children of the 1960's."" We grew up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were miracles of our parent's doing. For a decade and more the pundits have told us - ""you've lost it!"" The ""me"" generation is only living on the accomplishments of the past. You and I have even begun to believe the pessimists. We listen in awe as the past generation tells of its triumphs. Living history they are. We are privileged to hear those who did it tell of it. A few weeks ago some of this very team listened in awe as General Bernie Schriever told of his team's work - and yes struggle - to build this nation's Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. What stories can we tell? Blurry-eyed telescopes? Thousand dollar toilet seats? Even our space launch vehicles hearken only of that past great time. They are and seem destined to remain Gen. Schriever's ICBMs. I find it hard to swell with pride that the best new space-lifter idea is to refurbish old Minuteman and Poseidon ballistic missiles. Well - The pessimists are wrong. The legacy is continuing. This event is proof. To our technological parents: We've listened to your stories. We've caught your enthusiasm and can-do spirit. And we've learned from your achievements - and your mistakes. Let me honor one of you who was part of that history and the impetus behind this history - Max Hunter. You are one of the greatest engineers of the firts great age of space exploration. Your insight and discipline built the Thor ICBM - later incorporated into today's most successful launch vehicle - The Delta. You told us in the 60's that a new form of launch vehicle - a single stage reusable rocket - can and should be built. You advocated this idea tirelessly. It was elegantly simple, as are all great breakthroughs. You showed us how to build it. You convinced us it could be done. You are working by our side to weld its components into place. Most important - you reminded us of a prime engineering principle - undoubtably one you learned from the generation before you - the generation that built transcontinental aviation in the 1920's and 30's - build a little and test a little and Max, you passed all of this on to people like Pat Ladner who started this program for the SDI. Douglas Aircraft didn't start with a DC-10. They didn't even start with a DC-3. Our grandfathers built a little, tested a little - even sold a little and made a little money - before they moved on to the next step. They didn't take a decade or more before putting the first ""rubber on the road."" Max Hunter - you didn't take ten years to build Thor, and by God we're not going to take ten years to show that low cost, single stage, reusable aerospace transportation is real. We ended the cold war in a few short years. It took the same team here today but a few years to show through the Strategic Defense Initiative that the cold war must end. We - you and us - launched a series of satellites - The Delta experiments - in about a year apiece. This, more than anything else signaled our commitment to end the impasse between ourselves and the Soviet Union. Those who made the decisions on both sides have underscored the importance of our work in bringing about a new international relationship. But it is the same team which is now putting in place the framework for an aerospace expansion that is our legacy for the next generation. We will make space access routine and affordable. We built this magnificent flying machine in two years. This summer a true rocket ship will take off and land on earth for the first time. Then we can and surely will build in the next three years a reusable sub-orbital rocket. It will allow us to use space rapidly, affordably, and efficiently as no other nation can. And yes - we'll make a little money off it too! Then - and only then - we'll spend another three years to build a fully reusable single stage to orbit system. The DC-3 of space will be a reality! We may even be able to use some of the rocket propulsion breakthroughs of our former cold war adversaries. What a wonderful irony if this SDI product and Russian efforts to counter SDI merge to power mankind's next step to the stars! To be sure, we must guard against the temptations to leap to the final answer. Robert Goddard's first rockets weren't Saturn V's! If we succumb to the temptation to ask for just a few extra dollars and a few more years to jump immediately to a full orbital system - we will fail. Max Hunter and his colleagues showed the way. Three years and a cloud of dust - in our case rocket exhausts. There is no short-cut. If we expect to reshape the world again - we must do it one brick at a time. Minds on tasks at hand! This project is real. The torch of American technological greatness is being passed. We are Americans. This machine is American. Let's go fly it! " 6808,11,"From: olson@umbc.edu (Bryan Olson; CMSC) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: olson In article <1993Apr18.034352.19470@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes: |> It might pay to start looking at what this proposal might mean to a |> police agency. It just might be a bad idea for them, too. |> |> OK, suppose the NY State Police want to tap a suspect's phone. They |> need a warrant, just like the old days. But unlike the old days, they |> now need to |> |> (a) get two federal agencies to give them the two parts of |> the key. |> |> Now, what happens if there's a tiff between the two escrow houses? |> Posession/release of keys becomes a political bargaining chit. While I think it is unrealistic to suppose that the federal agencies will fail to promptly comply with a court order, there is still a good point here. Local law enforcement will be unable to perform a wiretap without bringing in federal agencies. Based on the (possibly incomplete) understanding of the system quoted from D. Denning, only the FBI will be able to decrypt the system key encryption layer, which seems to be needed even to identify what escrowed keys to request. This moves a great deal of law enforcement power to the federal level. The reason I like this point is that it may sway or even persuade people who don't generally line up with the civil liberties crowd. A national police force is opposed by people from a broad range of political viewpoints. olson@umbc.edu " 6809,18,"From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 24 In article <15149@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <113328@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: >>When are you going to admit that the data you presented show >>just this---that only about 3% of child molesters are gay, and thus are >>NOT overrepresented with respect to the general incidence of homosexuality? >When someone can show something besides a Redbook article. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this irrelevant? Either the data shows something, or it doesn't. Regardless of what other studies show. Admit it. What you SHOWED to us doesn't prove that gay men are more likely to be molesters. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in ones true self. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 6810,9,"From: cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions Organization: Symantec/Peter Norton Group Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 155.64.151.14 alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes: >>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to >>make room for Harkey? Shawn Boskie. " 6811,13,"From: med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN) Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 21 It would be nice to think that individuals can somehow 'beat the system' and like a space explorer, boldly go where no man has gone before and return with a prize cure. Unfortunately, too often the prize is limited and the efficacy of the 'cure' questionable when applied to all sufferers. This applies to both medical researchers and non-medical individuals. Just because it appears in an obscure journal and may be of some use does not make the next cure-all. What about the dozens of individuals who have courageously participated in clinical trials? Did they have any guarentee of cures? Are they any less because they didn't trumpet their story all over the world? As a parting note, wasn't there some studies done on Gingko seeds for Meniere's? (To the original poster : what about trying for a trial of that? It's probably not a final answer but it certainly may alleviate some of the discomfort. And you'd be helping answer the question for future sufferers.) gervais " 6812,3,"From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (HJ Lu) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr18.185226.27273@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) writes: |> In article khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: |> >glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: |> > |> >>David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: |> >>: I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from |> >>: my 3 1/2"" B drive? |> |> [intermediate reply suggesting cable switch deleted] |> I heard boot_b.zip could do exactly what you wanted without touching anything. Check it out with archie. H.J. " 6813,8,From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: test Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 2 test 6814,13,"From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com> david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: >>In article <13APR199308003715@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: >>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before >>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? >>> >>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least >>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the >>>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has >>>always used it. > >So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but >no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at >work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study >using double-blind trials? Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own. Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses? Yet again, the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of. For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain (humans included). Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off. Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food. By eating lots of junk food, packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. --Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca " 6815,10,"From: mjacques@flute.calpoly.edu (Michael Jacques) Subject: Re: Playoff Predictions Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 51 In article <1pn4qhINNsm1@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> boudreau@athena.mit.edu (Carol V. Boudreau) writes: > > >In the Smythe: >This one is the toughest for me to call, because I have to put >personal bias aside (Go Calgary). I think a lot depends on who >wins the division. Winnipeg will move into third by the end of >the season, and the first place winner will have a clear advantage. >It will be a lot easier to build momentum against a team like the >Kings. Whoever plays the Kings in the first round will take the >division. Much as it hurts, I have to pick, >Division Winner - Vancouver Canucks I'll have to disagree with you on this one. I think Vancouver will go as Bure goes, and if he continues on his goal scoring slump, then they won't even make it out of the first round. I think the Kings will make it out of the first round, regardless of who they play. They seem to be doing pretty well, even with that bad game against Minnesota on Saturday. I think it'll be either Calgary or Los Angeles to win the Smythe (i.e. go on to the conference finals). > >Wales Conference Trophy: >Islanders and Bruins will fight to the end, but I think the >Islanders have enough steam to overtake the Bruins in seven. > >Campbell Conference Trophy: >a walk for Vancouver, maybe in 5 or 6 but definately not 7. > >Stanley Cup Final: >Islanders and Vancouver. Islanders will have nothing left by >this point and will succumb fairly easily to the Canucks. > >Stanley Cup Champion: Vancouver Canucks Still have to disagree with you here. I think it'll be Pittsburg to get the hat trick in Stanley Cups. They just look toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. > >I hope you have enjoyed my predictions. I hope they are not >all correct (Go Calgary). > Neither do I. Well, may the best team win it all (Pittsburg). That's just my $.02 worth. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >message from the terminal of: >Carol Boudreau >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6816,1,"From: john@goshawk.mcc.ac.uk (John Heaton) Subject: POV reboots PC after memory upgrade Reply-To: john@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Organization: MCC Network Unit Lines: 13 Up until last week, I have been running POVray v1.0 on my 486/33 under DOS5 without any major problems. Over Easter I increased the memory from 4Meg to 8Meg, and found that POVray reboots the system every time under DOS5. I had a go at running POVray in a DOS window when running Win3.1 on the same system and it now works fine, even if a lot slower. I would like to go back to using POVray directly under DOS, anyone any ideas??? John -- John Heaton - NRS Central Administrator MCC Network Unit, The University, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13-9PL Phone: (+44) 61 275 6011 - FAX: (+44) 61 275 6040 Packet: G1YYH @ G1YYH.GB7PWY.#16.GBR.EU " 6817,1,"From: erich@fi.gs.com (Erich Schlaikjer) Subject: character recognition Nntp-Posting-Host: raider Reply-To: schlae@aron01.gs.com Organization: Goldman, Sachs & Co X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 7 Is there any program available (free or otherwise) for taking a tiff or gif or some other bitmapped file and turning it (or parts of it) into ascii characters? DOS, OS/2 or platform independent programs if possible. Thanks. " 6818,5,"From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) Subject: problem with Tek xterminal Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C. Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu Originator: ndd@bal1 We have recently purchased a Tektronix xterminal, and I'm having a problem with it. We have a graphics widget that we wrote to display waveforms, and it doesn't work on the xterminal. the buttons, etc, all show up, and it seems to take the 'right' amount of time to draw, but nothing is visible in the graphics window. I have no clue as to where to start looking: the program works fine on all our suns (3s and 4s, color and B&W). could anyone suggest a line of attack for this problem? TekXpress XP380 color xterminal running 6.0.0. host is a Sun IPX running SunOS 4.1.3 and X11R5, PL17. -- Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu) Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center Durham, NC 27710 (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100 " 6819,8,"From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: fleming-07.cs.strath.ac.uk being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace. gillian " 6820,19,"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: See? ( was Re: Apology to Jim Meritt (Was: Silence is concurance) Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Distribution: usa Lines: 45 In article <9473@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>}So stop dodging the question. What is hypocritical about my }>}criticizing bad arguments, given that I do this both when I agree }>}with the conclusion and when I disagree with the conclusion? }> }>You are the one who has claimed to possess the fruits of precognition, }>telepathy, and telempathy. Divine it yourself. } }Another dodge. Oh well. I'm no match for your amazing repertoire }of red herrings and smoke screens. } }You asked for an apology. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out }that your straw-man argument was a straw-man argument. Nor for saying }that your list of ""bible contradictions"" shows such low standards of }scholarship that it should be an embarrassment to anti-inerrantists, }just as Josh McDowell should be an embarrassment to the fundies. Nor }for objecting various times to your taking quotes out of context. Nor }for pointing out that ""they do it too"" is not an excuse. Nor for calling }your red herrings and smoke screens what they are. How about the following inaccurate, unsubstantiated accusations: In 8257@blue.cis.pitt.edu >Jim has been threatening - but no ""threat"" produced >once he realized that - display of telepathy >threatening to quote me - in spite of no ""threat"" produced, nor forecast ever happening (precognition?) >responding Jim's threat to quote me - in spite of claimed threat never being given >Jim, preparing to... - in spite of it never happening. telepathy or precognition? >Jim again, still mystified - unsubstantiated and untrue. more telepathy? Or maybe telempathy? >Jim, still scandalized - unsubstantiated again. Seems to be a habit... Having more trouble with reality, it appears. Why get bothered with the facts when you appear to have the products of paranatural divination methods? *yawn* " 6821,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr22.213815.12288 Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 22 In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: > ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we have the problems that we do. [In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.] -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 6822,8,"From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) Subject: Re: Question about helmets Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: coffee.eng.umd.edu Originator: oconnor@coffee.eng.umd.edu On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet. Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage to the shell. Yes, the helmet did its job. But the damage/impact ratio was scary. I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX), and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons. My recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear. YMMV. -mark " 6823,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 47 In article 1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca, gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes: I think Jagr did he probably had a better point per minute ice time- stats don't exist to properly analyze this and he had a substancially better +/-. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to > flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than > Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of > hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty > plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. > > Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice > time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out > in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up > against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would > much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious > merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. +/- is a useful statistic. If a player is on the ice when his team scores a lot of goals and only allows a few goals, he must be doing something right. It is especially useful to compare between teammates- as they play for the same team and should have roughly similar +/- ratings if they are equally good players. It can be adjusted- with varying degrees of success to compare between players on different teams. I agree it would be nice for the NHL to keep more statistics- but how useful are the ones that you suggest?? Total ice time would be very useful- it is a missing stat in Jagr vs Francis arguments from before. Somehow measuring the quality of ice time as you suggest would be useless. It would be a better stat for evaluating coaching- ie are the players given quality ice time actually their talented ones? A very good player could be given low amounts of quality ice time because of team depth or a stupid coach who doesn't recognize his talent and a very bad player could be given lots of quality ice time because of a lack of team depth or a stupid coach that thinks he is an effective player. This stat would be much more flawed than +/- and almost no conclusions could be drawn regarding player talent. +/- is a useful stat. It is quite useful in evaluating player talent. You are the one displaying ignorance because of your unwillingness to see that being on the ice when goals are scored but not when they are allowed is a very positive thing- and should be evaluated as such. Gregmeister " 6824,4,"From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji) Subject: HELP - E_Mail Address of Caere Corporation Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 19 =============================================================================== I'm looking for the E_Mail Address of the Caere Corporation. Their Address is: CAERE CORPORATION 100 COOPER COURT LOS GATOS CALIFONIA 95030 If you know the address o have access to find it. Please could you send it to me. My E_Mail Address is: Thanking you in advance, Zia. " 6825,9,"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: electric-monk.mit.edu In article <1993Apr16.172502.2301@osf.org> dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) writes: } In article <4200419@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: } >I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman } >and his infamous moon-raker drives... } } I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across } the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof. He } whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out! the best home run i have *ever* seen came off, believe it or not, Roger Clemens (sorry, Val) a couple of years ago. he threw a ball to Incaviglia which was literally at Inky's neck, and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it. after the swing, Clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball--he didn't even turn around to look, or even get upset. the ball hit the lights in the left-field standard, some 70 or so feet about the Green Monster (over 100 feet above the ground total!) truly an amazing shot. -*- charles " 6826,2,"From: ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Lei Shao) Subject: Re: TrueType fonts that display but do not print. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Lei Shao) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: na Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr17.134725.15882@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) writes: >I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1 >but though all the applications display the font correctly on the >screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly >(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer). > >When I use the font in CorelDRAW, the document prints correctly, so I assume >CorelDRAW knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer. > >But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square >boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does >display the font correctly on the screen. > >I looked through all the Windows and LaserJet manuals, but got nowhere. >All of them just make the statement that TrueType fonts will print >exactly as you see them on the screen---so I assume Windows knows that a font >has to be downloaded automatically---but, how to make it do that???? > >Appreciate any help.... I assume you're using the driver available from cica (hp4-v108.zip). Bring up the setup screen of the printer through control panel. Click on the ""Options"" button brings up another screen of choices. Change the ""Graphics Mode"" from ""HP-GL/2"" to ""Raster"" and check the box ""Print Truetype as graphics (this is only available when you choose ""Raster""). Now you should be able to print all your truetype fonts correctly. Good luck. Lei Shao ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu " 6827,2,"From: sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven D Marcotte) Subject: Data corruption Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu I quit windows normally to run a special DOS app, got done with it and tried to start windows. Ok got the title screen, Windows background, DOS with an error about loading PROGMAN.EXE. Hum, yep PROGMAN.EXE is still there. Must be bad, ok pull off PROGMAN.EXE from a backup tape, start windows, get the windows title screen, windows background, DOS with the same error. HUM! Fire up the good ol' Norton Disk Doctor, test, 500 lost clusters! Ok, fix them, and look through them, doesn't look important. Remove the Windows directory, and reinstall from disks. Fire up windows, title screen, background, Program Manager, Success! I have a 486/50 (Amy) with 4 meg of RAM, 120 meg HD, SVGA, running under DOS 5.0, no special memory managers or stuff, just the basic Windows 3.1 A 12 meg permanent swap file using 32-bit Access. I mainly use Windows to run more that one DOS app at a time. (ie downloading with Qmodem with a DOS window open, and possibly POV running in the background.) I've noticed that since I started using Windows a few months ago, lost clusters have gotten more and more common. Although I don't like having data just disappear, it really haven't been a problem except for today. Has anyone else had any problems with lost clusters while running windows? And what could I do to fix the problem, I'd sleep better knowing Amy wasn't loosing her marbles. :) Steven -- Steven Marcotte sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu " 6828,8,"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) Subject: Re: Traffic morons Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 27 In <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) >NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks >I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by >pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your >brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can >usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of >him/her/it may mean that something is wrong. I see one thing wrong with your strategy. The boy who cried wolf. __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous --Squidonk-- " 6829,2,"From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Subject: CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: Navy SciViz/VR Seminar Expires: 30 Apr 93 04:00:00 GMT Reply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 66 CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick. " 6830,2,"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro Confirmation Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: blonde.cc.utexas.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 41 In article , aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) writes: > I have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have > been positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm > these? (I am interested in the EISA version in particular). > > 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM. The higher memory limits apply to ISA cards only, as far as I know. The VLB and EISA version should have no problems. > 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches > set but it is much slower. Again, the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124M RAM (EISA and VLB) or 12 M (ISA). 32M should not be a problem for you. > 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes. Nope. I can use 640x480 at 72hz, 24-bit and 800x600 at 70hz, 24-bit, all non-interlaced. > 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many > cases. They aren't perfect, but are much improved. I don't recall the last time which I had to leave mach 32 mode (ATI GUP mode) and switch to 8514 or VGA mode due to software incompatibility. > 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money. It's quite fast, but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate. > 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) I like it. -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] " 6831,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 12 ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) writes: >nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been >under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that >clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing >choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has >been in the works for some time. I've got no doubts that this would probably have gone ahead if Bush was still president. What's puzzling to me are the people who are apparently amazed that Clinton is going along with it. -- Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? " 6832,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: BDI Experience Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled: : ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around : 45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving : along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing : the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound : lane of 9W (one lane each direction). And I haven't even got there yet. Must have been some other Brit... -- Nick (the English Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Left is Right M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 6833,1,"From: eylerken@stein.u.washington.edu (Ken Eyler) Subject: stand alone editing suite. Article-I.D.: shelley.1qvkaeINNgat Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu I need some help. We are upgrading our animation/video editing stand. We are looking into the different type of setups for A/B roll and a cuts only station. We would like this to be controlled by a computer ( brand doesnt matter but maybe MAC, or AMIGA). Low end to high end system setups would be very helpful. If you have a system or use a system that might be of use, could you mail me your system requirements, what it is used for, and all the hardware and software that will be necessary to set the system up. If you need more info, you can mail me at eylerken@u.washington.edu thanks in advance. :ken :eylerken@u.washington.edu " 6834,5,"From: hughm@brwal.inmos.co.uk (Hugh McIntyre) Subject: Sun3/60 + X11R5 -> undeletable console messages. Keywords: sun sun3 X11R5 console Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK Lines: 23 We have an old Sun3/60 here which gets occasional use. When X11R5 is started on it any console messages during startup are undeletable. After X is fully started we run an xterm as the ""console"" - the problem is that any messages that arrive before this starts go to the plain console. ""Refresh window"" fails to remove them. The messages are a real pain since they sit in the middle of the screen obscuring anything else below them. At boot time the 3/60 lists two framebuffers - /dev/cgfour0 and /dev/bwtwo1. We're running X in color, and I suspect that maybe the offending messages are on the B/W framebuffer, and thereby not getting deleted. My question is: has anyone else seen this, and is there an easy way to get rid of these messages? Please reply by e-mail to hughm@inmos.co.uk. Hugh McIntyre. INMOS Ltd., Bristol, UK. (BTW: SunOS 4.0.3, X11R5, mwm). PS: I know I can redirect output of the relevant commands to /dev/null - I'm looking for a more general solution). " 6835,7,"From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 12 >Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear >going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using >either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush >for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster. In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential. Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!. " 6836,1,From: 235wardell@gw.wmich.edu Subject: VGA Passthrough Cables! Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 14 Does anyone know the phone number to a place where i can get a VGA passthrough? I want to hook up my VGA card to my XGA card (whcih you can can). All I need is the cable that connects them. It is the same type of cable that you would connect from your VGA card to say a Video Blaster or something. Thanks. -Brad 6837,4,"From: tpeng@umich.edu (Timothy Richard Peng) Subject: Re: Apple 14"" monitor Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Lines: 4 Reply-To: tpeng@umich.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu Originator: tpeng@livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu this must be a FAQ from the very first days of the 13""RGB!!!! and as for a better monitor for your $$, well, the NEC 4FG/3FGx are pretty nice... " 6838,9,"From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) Subject: HELP: looking for Cleveland Sports Mailing List Info Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu I'm looking for the address to join the Cleveland Sports Mailing List. If anyone knows it, I would be greatful if they could email a copy of it to me. If you are a member, just mail me one of the List's letters. I could probably figure it out from there. Thanks! -- MM MM FFFFF Michael J. Fath M M M M F Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics M M M FFF Harvard Medical School M M F Boston, MA 02115 fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu " 6839,18,"From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) Subject: Re: So Why Does Clayton Cramer Fixate on Molesting Children Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr04.071624.14068@armory.com> (talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,soc.men), rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: ] In article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: ] > I think the dialogue would go better if (at least some) gays ] >showed awareness of a practical issue. For example. men and women use ] >different toilets. Hence men who are likely to abuse girls have that ] >avenue closed to them. There are many other situations where it is easy ] >to prevent sexual abuse BETWEEN the two sexes through such measures and ] >social conventions. It is harder to prevent it with gays but if those ] >gays who do not abuse children (nor want to) became aware that this is ] >a practical problem that we can solve with good will on both sides, then ] >we can have protection for parents and children at the same time as ] >protection for gays in those ways that are of importance to their ] >pursuit of happiness in their own way. ] > ] >Just a thought ] > ] >Rohit Parikh ] ------------------- ] Sorry, Rohit, but you are responding to someone well-recognized as a ] flaming nut, i.e., Clayton Cramer. He must have been abused by a man and is ] living his life in an attempt to vilify all men who like sex with other men ] something slightly similar to the way his assailant liked it with him. He ] will alter or misrepresent anything he finds to try to prove that there are ] homosexuals who wish to rape little boys like he was coming out of the ] woodwork. There is no hope for him. In all probability he is secretly gay, ] which compounds his neurosis in his own mind, by thinking that someone else ] made him that way. I don't personally see how someone like him could walk ] and chew gum at the same time, as mentally crippled and dominated as he is ] by his fantasies. ] ] He would have you believe that the figures on the percentage of people who ] like to do it with the same sex sometime or all the time is way smaller ] than it is, but then he will virtually assert that everyone's queer and ] they're trying to get him. He actually believes, despite all evidence that ] homosexuals do some huge disproportionate amount of child sexual abuse, ] even though he insists that there may be as few as 1% of them in the male ] population! If there were that few of them in the population, San Francisco ] would currently be empty, because a significant portion of them have sought ] a tolerant atmosphere in that city, and the numbers simply do not work when ] you add up their home town origins. There is nothing to be gained by ] communicating with Clayton Cramer, he is unable to listen to anyone. ] -RSW ] ] ] -- ] * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * ] * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * ] * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * ] * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * Sorry, but I don't see how the response applies to what was posted. Unless I am badly mistaken, Rohit is suggesting that protecting boys from men is different than protecting girls from men. There are situations in which boys and girls are apart from members of the *opposite* sex (due to social convention or whatever) and thus are safe (in at least some sense). These same situations don't (necessarily) protect the children from abuse by members of the *same* sex. If we can understand that, it's not such a tremendous leap to suggest that if we all think about it hard, *someone* may come up with a practical solution (or even a partial solution) to some of the situations in which children are made vulnerable to homosexuals who wish to abuse them. By working together ""with good will on both sides"", we may be able to start solving problems without restricting anyone's freedoms. Mr. Walz on the other hand is using Rohit's post as an excuse for personal attacks on Mr. Cramer. While Mr. Walz hasn't (by a *long* stretch) been the only one to flame Mr. Cramer, it is no less childish and it only serves to weaken any other arguments he may make in the future. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these. The early bird got worms. " 6840,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 21 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says: > >I guess the San Jose Mercury news is wrong then,... ^^^^^ > No: It is old. You said AMORC *IS*, not *was*... :-) Nothing personal, OK? Good! :-) Maybe you didn't know that it's over by now. There is no more pending legal actions from no where, period. So yes, there was a situation and it has been resolved by BOTH parties. As long as humans handle anything, it is subjected to ""breaking"" :-) BTW, Gary L. Stewart has a P.O. Box in TX calling his org ARC: Ancient Rosae Crucis. I guess he couldn't take the ""MO"" from AMORC :-) Tony " 6841,0,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 187 Bill Conner (bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote: : There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread : that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can : be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. This definition does not include all atheists (see the FAQ). However, I (for one) do think there is no need to invoke any divine or spiritual explanations. It makes a big difference to claim that all things can be understood as natural processes, and to claim that our observations do not require us to postulate any divine intervention, or anything spiritual, for that matter. Humans are not omnipotent, and neither is science. However, science has one advantage theology doesn't: it is self- correcting, with nature as its judge. It is delightful to see how scientific inquiry is revealing a self- consistent, simple picture of our universe. Science is no longer a bunch of separate branches, it is one. From particle physics to psychology. And no aspect of our life, or our universe, is safe from its stern and stony eye. Not even our consciousness. There is no need : for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is : no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by : physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is : determnined. Actually, determinism vs. indeterminism is a philosophical question, and science cannot say whether the whole thing is actually somehow superdeterministic or not. I think the question does not have any meaning, as far as individual human beings go. If their apparent free will is an illusion, it does not appear to be so from their perspective. Bill, can you say _for sure_ whether you have a free will or not? : This would also have to include human intelligence of course and all : its products. There is nothing requiring that life evolve or that it : acquire intelligence, it's just a happy accident. Maybe. Who are we to tell? It seems intelligence is useful - when during the history of Earth has _one species_ been able to control one third of the whole biosphere? This can still be a result of numerous happy accidents our genetic machinery blindly replicates and preserves. Even that machinery can be result of the same principle - only the systems that can start replicating will survive, those which don't don't make it. (Recommended reading: t.o) : For an atheist, no : event can be preferred to another or be said to have more or less : value than another in any naturalistic sense, and no thought -about- : an event can have value. From whose perspective? I value events and things subjectively, from my perspective. Nature does not have values, because it does not have a perspective - values arise from awareness. If I have a subjective perspective, it is easy to assume that other people also do, and if I think about what it would it be like in their position, I will eventually discover the Golden Rule. Morality is not necessarily a gift from heavens, in fact, it may be a product of evolution. Perhaps we are aware of ourselves because a sense of identity is helpful, allows us to play the roles of others and make us respect others who seem to have identity, too. Bill, have you ever read Aristotle? Try his Ethica Nikomakhea (sp.) for starters. : How then can an atheist judge value? What is the basis for criticizing : the values ennumerated in the Bible or the purposes imputed to God? On : what grounds can the the behavior of the reliogious be condemned? It : seems that, in judging the values that motivate others to action, you : have to have some standard against which conduct is measured, but what : in nature can serve that purpose? What law of nature can you invoke to : establish your values. C.S. Lewis tells us that this argument was the main reason why he abandoned his atheism and became Christian. The argument is severely flawed. Some values, such as the Golden Rule, can have a rational basis. Some others, like the basic idea of wanting to live, has probably its roots in the way our brains are wired. Lewis ignored the very real possiblity that natural selection could also favour altruistic behaviour, and morality as well. Indeed, as humans evolved better and better in building and using tools, they also became better at killing each other. It is a logical necessity that evolution could only favour those who knew how to use tools, but not against one's own people. The Bible reveals quite nicely that the morality of the early Jews was not beyond this. A simple set of rules to hold the people together, under one god. Their god did not care much about people of other nations. At the time of the NT, things were quite different - the Jews were under rule of an _empire_, and could no longer simply ignore the Gentiles. A new situation required a new morality, and along with it a new religion was born. (A mutation in a meme pool.) : Since every event is entirely and exclusively a physical event, what : difference could it possibly make what -anyone- does, religious or : otherwise, there can be no -meaning- or gradation of value. The only : way an atheist can object to -any- behaviour is to admit that the : objection is entirely subjective and that he(she) just doesn't like it : - that's it. Any value judgement must be prefaced by the disclaimer : that it is nothing more than a matter of personal opinion and carries : no weight in any ""absolute"" sense. It looks like you haven't bothered to read philosophy. Whenever there is an observer, there is a subjective point of view, which may value its existence and happiness (even if that were just a result of some physical event), and other's happiness, too, if the observer comes to think about it. In an absolutely objective sense, that is, without any observers or subjects, moral judgments lose their meaning. It is not possible for a value to simply exist without a point of view. This includes gods, too, their values are only _their_ personal judgments, not absolute truths, since such truths do not exist. The fact that most people do not deliberately want to hurt others is a manifestation of the way we have fought for our existence by becoming social beings who can think and value others' existence. Morality is not property of humans alone - chimps, dolphins and many other species show great care for each other. Dolphins have sometimes saved humans from drowning, a good deed indeed. : That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God : or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your : nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled : with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction. That your : objections -seem- well founded is due to the way you've been : conditioned; there is no ""truth"" content. The whole of your : intellectual landscape is an illusion, a virtual reality. The last statement does not logically follow. In fact, there is every reason to believe our thoughts can model reality very well, and our senses can convey reliable information. Solipsism is still a logical possibility, but not a very likely one. You are continuously mixing two different views: the subjective point of view (which we all share) and an objective point of view, _which does not exist_. Any observer or thinker, any personal being, has its own point of view. It does not matter whether this point of view is a result of some physical events or not, it does not cease to be subjective. From a non-observers non-point of view, values do not exist. Neither does pain, or pleasure, or beauty, or love. Such things are inherently subjective. Once again, if god wants wives to submit to their husbands, or even to make a leap of faith into the unknown, or wants to punish us if we don't, I disagree with his morals. I do not think my morals come from any supreme being - to remove my morals means the same than to make me a zombie, a machine without a single thought. If god gave us morality to judge, but I disagree with him, it is not my fault. He is free to replace my morals. I cannot see what is the point of giving someone a moral system which disagrees with one's own and then to get mad at this. God must be schizophrenic. : All of this being so, you have excluded : yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil, : etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no : weight whatsoever. Neither can the opinion of any god, for that matter. I cannot understand why a subjective opinion of a thing made of matter is in any way less credible than an opinion of a thing made of something else. Bill, take note: Absolute values must be independent of _any_ being, _including_ gods. If god has a subjective viewpoint, it is his own point of view, and his morals are his own. Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. " 6842,4,"From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 54 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: arno.engin.umich.edu In article tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) writes: >>A professor of mine once said ""The difference between a Computer Engineer and >>a Computer Scientist is about $5000"" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >>P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >>Scott > >For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering >degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually >use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers >upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were >$7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most >interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. > >_emt Well here is my $0.02 worth. Advice from a grad student. I agree with the gentlemen who wrote the comment before me. The important thing is pick what ever interest you the most and learn as much as possible about it. In my five years of education in this field, though brief compare to alot of people, I had to think about this kind of question a lot. Did I make the right decision in going into Electrical Engineering as opposed to Computer engineering or CS? The more I go thru school, the more I believe that this kind of question is irrelevant. I have come to believe that choosing CS because one does not like hardware or choosing hardware because one does not like to program is really doing an injustice of building and computer and making it useful for something. Everything is interwoven and inseparable. CS, CE, and EE are all a part of a really great discipline and do depend on each other. My advice is don't limit yourself, but make a decision based on which major will give you the best opportunities to learn. That of course depends on the curriculum at your persective school. I would choose a major that allows me to explore as much as possible. Beside, I don't know why the school would make a student choose a major before her/his sophamore year. Hey you may be so interested in this field that you decided to learn all about the making of computers in which case, you suffer a little more and go to grad school. About the money. Don't look at the averages, if you are good, you are going to earn more money than anyone else. If you are a superstar programmer, you will earn millions. Like wise if you are a hotshot computer designers. - Chung Yang " 6843,6,"From: bereson@ide.com (Alex Bereson) Subject: 1972 Montreal Olympics souvenirs Originator: bereson@lola Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF Distribution: na Lines: 14 1976 Montreal Olympics philatelic souvenirs: 1. Color-illustrated booklet in French/English containing all stamps issued for the Games (mint never hinged) in slipcase, over $6.00 face value in stamps. $13.00 + $2.00 insured first class mailing 2. Unusual ""desk pad holder"" with Olympic rings on the cover and the Montreal stadium inside. All the Canadian Olympic stamps are displayed on the ""cover"" under heavy plastic. Again, over $6.00 face value. $11.00 + $2.50 insured first class mailing. Order both for $22 including insured delivery " 6844,6,"From: bromgrev@rahul.net (Carl A. Merritt) Subject: HDs and other Computer parts for Sale / Wanted... Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 26 For Sale: Fujitsu 324meg SCSI drive. $450 Maxtor 338meg ESDI drive. $425 Maxtor 160meg ESDI drive. $225 Toshiba 106meg IDE drive. $175 XT case & motherboard. $50 DTC 16-bit MFM 2HD 2FD controler. $30 All items are used, in full working condition, and have a warranty for one week unless otherwise specified. All prices are %100 negotiable, shipping not included. Wanted: Developers kit for SB 17"" SVGA moniters (two of them). -- Carl A. Merritt " 6845,4,"From: corbo@lclark.edu (Beth Corbo) Subject: Re: Non-Apple Mini-Docks available? Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Apr20.034614.12989 Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 22 In article jonathan@mecca.epri.com writes: >A A DeGuzman (deguzman@after.math.uiuc.edu) wrote: >> My boss is considering the purchase of a Powerbook or Duo. He is leaning >> towards a 180, because of the math coprocessor (for Mathematica), but would >> get a Duo if he could find a Mini-Dock with a coprocessor. Have any >> third-parties announced such a beast? > > I believe that E-Machines might produce something of this nature. > Yes, E-Machines makes two mini-docks--the Powerlink Presente and the PowerLink DeskNet. The Presenter offers a variety of video-out options, including NTSC, RGB and SVGA. It also has sound out, floppy drive port and a power port. Unfortunately no SCSI port and it blocks the serial port. The DeskNet has the standard ports plus built-in EtherNet. Alas, none of these have an FPU. In the future, RasterOps is putting out a mini-dock, but the name escapes me now. It is supposed to support 16-bit color and ""Quadra"" comparable video speed. No idea if it has an FPU. Hope this helps... Beth Corbo " 6846,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 77 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article Thomas Parsli writes: >I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas >in 1991 that was caused by guns..... How about ""firearm related."" >This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! Texas is unusual in this regard. It would be nice to reduce them both, though. As Texas doesn't appear to have an murder rate that much higher than the national average, I would expect it is a result of a much higher suicide rate. >*I* should not suffer because of others.... Be nice if you didn't have to suffer at all. >We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor >we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the ''). Here's where we run into a problem. I am perfectly willing to have government regulation on something which is likely to cause others harm. What we're discussing, though, is the extreme regulation of a large group in order to target a small group, and I don't think that's appropriate. >Do you have an insurance?? >Then you'll have to pay because of what others do... > >Do you buy anything?? >YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus... > >Do you live with other people?? >Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD) Does this, then, justify anything? At some point you have to draw a line (at least to my way of thinking) where the government must have something a little more substantial than a set of percentages with which to punish an individual. Where do *you* draw the line? Or is there one? >One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could >only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... Virginia. It passed. >I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on >other people. Does it? >It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only >problem is that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you >hope to cure him first. Cute analogy. The U.S. doesn't treat drunk driving like a serious crime. However, we also don't confiscate cars of people who drink. We also don't confiscate *all* cars because some people drink and drive. It's the core of the legal system that in order to punish an individual (and I'd call property confiscation a punishment) you must have evidence against that individual. That is, it isn't enough to show that the majority of people convicted of murder are white in order to convict a particular white guy of murder. >Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh. Huh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 6847,16,"From: tnyurkiw@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (TN) Subject: definition of 2nd Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 9 The debate over the Second Amendment rages on. Arguments continue over what a ""well-regulated militia"" is and what TRKBA means in practical terms. However, the ONLY authority in this area, is a binding court decision on the matter. Even a decision in this area is subject to an overturning by a higher court. Is there anyone who has the facts of a legal precedent, preferably a Supreme Court decision on the specific meaning of the 2nd Amendment? " 6848,5,"From: snail@lsl.co.uk Subject: MOTIF & X on Windows NT Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr7.044749.11770@topgun>, smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) writes: > Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib > Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development > for X applications in an NT environment. Could someone please send me the postal and email address of Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). Thank you. -- snail@lsl.co.uk ""Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."" Quote by Freire. Poster by OXFAM. " 6849,1,"From: samson@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Mark Samson) Subject: Psygnosis CD-I titles (was Re: Rumours about 3DO ???) Reply-To: samson@prlhp1.UUCP (Mark Samson) Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr20.130854.27039@rchland.ibm.com> ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes: > > Anyway, still with 15Mhz, you need sprites for a lot of tricks for >making cool awesome games (read psygnosis). Speaking of Psygnosis, they have licensed games to Philips Interative Media International for CD-I. The following was recently posted in a message in the CD-I section of the Multimedia Forum. ""Seventh Guest has been licensed by Virgin Games to Philips Interactive Media International for worldwide CD-I rights. Were also licensed to P.I.M.I. Litil Divil from Gremlin Graphics (UK) and Microcosm from Psygnosis (UK). Those three titles will be adapted on CD-I using the full potential of the FMV cartridge, meaning, using the additional memory as well as the motion video capabilities. Those titles have been negociated in Europe but will be available worldwide. Also, Lemmings 1 & 2 have been licensed from Psygnosis, as well as Striker Soccer from Rage (UK)."" I don't know when these titles will be available or when work on them even started (so don't expect your CD-I retailer to have them yet). There was also some mention of future Nintendo CD-I games in an issue of the UK magazine ERT - Mario Hotel was mentioned as having 75 levels. Mark [Although I work for Philips, I don't work on CD-I or multimedia. The above info is just provided in good faith from what I've read and does not represent any statement from Philips] ****************************************************************************** Mark Samson: Information Technology Group, Philips Research Laboratories, Cross Oak Lane, Redhill, Surrey RH1 5HA Tel(my Ext): 0293 815387 Tel(labs): 0293 785544 Telex: 877261 Fax: 0293 776495 Email:- SERI: samson@prlhp0 UNIX: samson@prl.philips.co.uk Binary files: packages@prlhp0 ****************************************************************************** " 6850,0,"From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) Subject: Re: Theists posting Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 21 In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: Stuff deleted >Is there a concordance for the FAQ? WHich translation is considered >most authoritative? Is there an orthodox commentary for the FAQ >available? Is there one FAQ for militant atheists and another for >moderate atheists; or, do you all read from the same FAQ? If so, >how do you resolve differences of interpretation? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............................................. I can put the same question to followers of any religion. How do you Moslems resolve differences of opinion ?? Don't tell me that there is one interpretation of the Quran. Read the soc.culture.* newsgroups. You will zillions of different interpretations. -- Naren naren@TEKIG1.PEN.TEK.COM All standard disclaimers apply " 6851,11,"From: makey@VisiCom.COM (Jeff Makey) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: VisiCom Laboratories, Inc., San Diego, California Lines: 15 In article Graham Toal writes: >I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen >to throw away her academic respectability like this. She hasn't. Dorothy Denning has spent many years earning the professional respect of her colleagues, and something won in this manner is not easily lost. Her support of the clipper -- no matter how unpopular that position may be -- serves far more to enhance the clipper's respectability than to diminish her own. :: Jeff Makey Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department Disclaimer: All opinions are strictly those of the author. Domain: makey@VisiCom.COM UUCP: nosc!visicom!makey " 6852,15,"From: KEMPJA@rcwusr.bp.com Subject: Re: Religious wars Organization: BP Research, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 30 In article , fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) writes: > ""Well you know that religion has caused more wars than > anything else"" > It bothers me that I cannot seem to find a satisfactory > response to this. After all if our religion is all about > peace and love why have there been so many religious wars? Of course if this question was asked in a group dealing with economics, the answer would be that the cause of war was economic. My observations over the past 30 years (and not withstanding a little history reading beside) is that while religious differences do play a part in many of the conflicts, so does (unfortunately) race, economics and any other items that identify one group of men as being different from another. If we want to couch the cause of conflict in Christian terms, I would put it while Christ died for our sins, we are yet sinners. While some individuals assume ""Christlike"" natures, most of us do not even come close. I realize that in many ways this is a trite answer, but I guess that it is my way of rationalizing man's constant (or so it seems) conflict. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jerry Kemp (Somtime Consultant) Internet: kempja@rcwusr.bp.com kemp_ja@tnd001.dnet.bp.com " 6853,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 68 In article <1483500351@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >PS: My proposal has nothing to do with Nazi eugenics. It has to do with >the search for peace which would enable justice. I don't consider that >justice is done, when non-Jews who fled or were expelled in 1948/1967 >are not permitted to return to their homeland. How about Jews who were expelled from their homelands in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, etc.? Don't they deserve justice, too? >This can at best be called >pragmatism, a nice word for legitimizing the rule of the strong. It can >never be called justice. Why is your criticism ALWAYS directed against Israel, but never against the Arab states, even when they are so much more guilty of the accusations you make? Is it because you now call yourself a Palestinean? >And peace without justice will never be peace. This is why the ""land-for-peace"" formula is so foolish. Land-for-land or peace-for-peace seems much more just, except that it would cost the Arabs something and so is not under consideration. Let's not forget that about half of Israel's population are refugees from Arab countries. Somehow, THEIR land now being occupied by Arab states and THEIR homes now being lived-in by Arab people are not included in any negotiations. Is this your prescription for peace? >It is my conviction that the situation in which a state, through the >law, attempts to discourage mixed marriages (as Israel does), is not >normal. Such a state resembles more Nazi Germany and South Africa than >Western democracies, such as the United States, in which Jews are free to >marry whom they wish and do so in the thousands. Again, you've somehow managed to overlook the fact that the Arab states are much more restrictive on these points. In fact, the officially Judenrein policies of almost all of the Arab states makes them resemble Nazi Germany chillingly closely. >American Jews enjoy this fact and would not love to live in a state termed >Christian State and to have their Green cards stamped with a mark JEW. There are many states in which Christians can live happily, many which have official religions and Christian majorities and Christian-based laws. There are some 2 dozen Arab and Islamic states. There is only 1 (one) Jewish state. Do you have a problem with this? Is this one Jewish state too many? There are others who might agree with you, you know. >I would ask those who are genuinely interested in an exchange of views >and personal experiencces to refrain from emotional, infantile >outbursts which might leed readers to infer that Jews who respect >Judaism are uncivilized. Such behaviour is not good for Judaism. Have you just arrived on tpm recently??? Again, the supporters of the Arab and Islamic camps are frequently and massively guilty of ""emotional, infantile outbursts"" which have weakened their positions dramatically. Somehow, your criticisms are very one-sided and simple-minded. P.S. How's the Fund coming along? -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 6854,17,"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 12 This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say for sure that no Beduins were ""moved"" or harmed in any way. On the contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population. All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's poster, I have to say. -Danny Keren. " 6855,1,From: MCAVALCANTI%VORTEX.UFRGS.BR@UICVM.UIC.EDU Subject: DTP Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Please Ineed information about desk top publishe- post graduate courses and if possible email address or normal mail. thanks in advance 6856,1,"From: bosch@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerhard Bosch) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ifh-hp2.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes: |> In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: |> |> CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in |> CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of |> CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to |> CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this |> CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. |> CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for |> CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> CH> Just curious. |> |> I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups |> already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly |> into one of these categories. |> |> Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga |> groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split |> would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured |> environment. |> |> -- |> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |> / Michael Nerone \""I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\ |> / Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\ |> /nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it.""-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\ Hi, It might be nice to know, what's possible on different hard ware platforms. But usually the hard ware is fixed ( in my case either Unix or DOS- PC ). So I'm not much interested in Amiga news. In the case of Software, I won't get any comercial software mentioned in this newgroup to run on a Unix- platform, so I'm not interested in this information. I would suggest to split the group. I don't see the problem of cross-posting. Then you need to read just 2 newgroups with half the size. BUT WHAT WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE A FAQ. THIS WOULD REDUCE THE TRAFFIC A LOT. Sincerely, Gerhard -- I'm writing this as a privat person, not reflecting any opinions of the Inst. of Hydromechanics, the University of Karlsruhe, the Land Baden-Wuerttemberg, the Federal Republic of Germany and the European Community. The address and phone number below are just to get in touch with me. Everything I'm saying, writing and typing is always wrong ! (Statement necessary to avoid law suits) ============================================================================= - Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard Bosch M.Sc. voice:(0721) - 608 3118 - - Institute for Hydromechanic FAX:(0721) - 608 4290 - - University of Karlsruhe, Kaiserstrasse 12, 7500-Karlsruhe, Germany - - Internet: bosch@ifh-hp2.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de - - Bitnet: nd07@DKAUNI2.BITNET - ============================================================================= " 6857,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 16 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: | |This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her |case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor! Geez, what happened? She got a ticket for driving too slow??? | ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Oh, are you saying you're not an edu.breath, then? Okay. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon " 6858,15,"From: s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) Subject: catholic church poland Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL Lines: 10 Hello, I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. Can anyone tell me more about this, or fill me in on recent books/articles( in english, german or french). Most important for me is the role of the church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools, birth-control and the relation church-state(government). Thanx, Masja, ""M.M.Zwart"" " 6859,1,"From: tiang@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Tiang) Subject: VESA standard VGA/SVGA programming??? Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Keywords: vga Lines: 34 Hi, I have a few question about graphics programming in VGA/SVGA : 1. How VESA standard works? Any documentation for VESA standard? 2. At a higher resolution than 320x200x256 or 640x480x16 VGA mode, where the video memory A0000-AFFFF is no longer sufficient to hold all info, what is the trick to do fast image manipulation? I heard about memory mapping or video memory bank switching but know nothing on how it is implemented. Any advice, anyone? 3. My interest is in 640x480x256 mode. Should this mode be called SVGA mode? What is the technique for fast image scrolling for the above mode? How to deal with different SVGA cards? Your guidance to books or any other sources to the above questions would be greatly appreciated. Please send me mail. Thanks in advance! ************************************************************************ * Tiang T. Foo * * tiang@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu * ************************************************************************ -- ************************************************************************ * Tiang T. Foo * * tiang@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu * ************************************************************************ " 6860,9,"From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) Subject: Re: A true story - Way to go Omar Keywords: Mariners, grand slam, Omar Vizquel Nntp-Posting-Host: koufax.cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr14.173236.14321@esca.com>, vigil@esca.com (Sandra Vigil) writes: |> Yesterday, April 14th, a friend and I were discussing the theory put |> forth by a local sports radio station personality that the |> Commissioner-less baseball owners had snuck a live ball into this years |> baseball games in an effort to increase home run numbers and attract |> fans. It's always possible, but if this is the case, I think that there is some blatant discrimination going on here. Clearly Selig is allowing the opposition to use pre-1920 baseballs against the Dodgers. |> Well, guess who stepped up to the plate for his first career grand slam |> last night against the Jays? None other than my boy. It was truly a |> sight to behold. And almost more impressive was that he also got an intentional walk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula@koufax.cv.hp.com Paul Andresen Hewlett-Packard (503)-750-3511 home: 3006 NW McKinley Corvallis, OR 97330 (503)-752-8424 A SABR member since 1979 " 6861,9,From: warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) Subject: Mel Hall Organization: CS Lines: 9 Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? Doug Dolven -- Doug Dolven warped@cs.montana.edu gdd7548@trex.oscs.montana.edu 6862,1,"From: HURH@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Patrick Hurh) Subject: Rayshade to DXF,RIB,etc.. (Strata)? Organization: FNAL Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: adnet13.fnal.gov I'm a mac user who wants to use some of the rayshade models I've built using macrayshade (rayshade-M) with Stratavision 3d. Since Stratavision can import many different model files I thought this would be a cinch... but I haven't been able to find a simple translator that will work on the mac. Any ideas? Stratavision 3d should be able to import: DXF MiniCAD Super 3d Swivel 3d professional out of the box and: RIB IGS with externals. Also, if anyone knows of any other translator externals available for Stratavision 3d (esp. Rayshade!) please e-mail me! BTW, I'm going to send mail to the rayshade usrs mailing list tomorrow (I misplaced the address) but since most users of rayshade do not seem to operate with macs, I'm not getting my hopes up... thanks in advance, --patrick. hurh@fnal.fnal.gov " 6863,4,"From: wlyle@sju.edu (Wayne Lyle) Subject: Driver for DataFrame XP60+B Organization: St. Joseph's University Lines: 14 I am in need of the Driver for the Bernoulli Cartridge on a DataFrame XP60+B. The hard disk on the system got fried and I haven't been able to locate the original disks. If anyone has it or know where I can get this please let me know via e-mail. Thanks in advance. Wayne Lyle -- Wayne J. Lyle Dilworth, Paxson, Kalish & Kauffman Philadelphia, PA 19109 " 6864,4,"From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu Subject: Re: Price drop on C650 within 2 months? Article-I.D.: menudo.1psm47$td Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu Organization: University of Houston Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: protein.bchs.uh.edu In article ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: > I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple > to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month > and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a > good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it, > but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal > I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better > deal? > > thanks, > > Is that the low-end configuration? If it is, it has the 68LC040 (no FPU), as opposed to all the other configurations with a 68RC040 (has an FPU). Be sure you know what you are getting before you buy!!! The 68RC040 is around $350-$400 right now, if you intend to upgrade it from a 68LC040. Sunny " 6865,0,"From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 21 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >Looking at historical evidence such 'perfect utopian' islamic states >didn't survive. I agree, people are people, and even if you might >start an Islamic revolution and create this perfect state, it takes >some time and the internal corruption will destroy the ground rules -- >again. > Nothing is perfect. Nothing is perpetual. i.e. even if it is perfect, it isn't going to stay that way forever. Perpetual machines cannot exist. I thought that there were some laws in mechanics or thermodynamics stating that. Not an atheist BN -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- - Naren Bala (Software Evaluation Engineer) - HOME: (503) 627-0380 WORK: (503) 627-2742 - All standard disclaimers apply. " 6866,7,"From: thorn@wam.umd.edu (Thornwall) Subject: Q: Dings in the paint on my hood :( Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Hello, I have a 92 Toyota 4X4 and in the last few weeks I have been getting quite a few ""dings"" :( in the paint on the hood from rocks and debris off of the road. I have never had any major problems with other car/trucks in the past (maybe a ding once in a while). I went to the dealer and he said that it happens all of the time and he recomended putting a bug deflector on the hood. He said that the trucks, for some unknown reason, seem to have this problem more than some cars.? It seems to me that either my luck is really bad or there might be a problem with the paint (painted on a monday morning perhaps?). How well do these bug deflectors work for small road debris on trucks? If anyone has any experiences/suggestions please let me know, thanks. --Greg thorn@wam.umd.edu " 6867,17,"From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) Subject: Danny Rubenstein speaking tonight. Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 7 Danny Rubenstein, an Israeli journalist, will be speaking tonight (Wednesday, 7:30 pm) on the messy subject of politics in Israel. He is speaking at Hillel on the U.C. Berkeley campus. -Adam Schwartz adams@robotics.berkeley.edu " 6868,15,"From: jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 14 Hey... I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group... HOW GREAT IS TH LOVE THE FATHER HAS LAVISHED ON US, THAT WE SHOULD BE CALLED CHILDREN OF GOD! AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE! (1 JOHN 3:1) Grace and peace to all, (I'll see you ALL Someday!) Jenny jprzybyl@scott.skidmore.edu " 6869,12,"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 37 Tony Kidson (tony@morgan.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org writes: : : >mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: : > : >> In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter : >> > : >> >Just a thought of mine here: : >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1 : >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. : >> >On-hook = LED on : >> >Off-hook = LED off. : >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. : >> : >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the : >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. : >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. : > : >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an : >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think : >there's something wrong with the cable. : > : : Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when : the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the : line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on : when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector. If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but it's something like 100mA or more?) Greggo. Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Resarch Inc., Ottawa Canada ""My opinions; not BNR's"" " 6870,10,From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote: : It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with : another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time : of the players involved. : To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd... : Gerald Thank you for putting this in perspective! -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 6871,7,"From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah) Subject: Re: Saturn performance(was Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Distribution: na Lines: 27 In article <4fjDcfu00iV2I9Kap_@andrew.cmu.edu> ""Jason M. Roth"" writes: >>I can't imagine any Civic or Saturn owners flex'n there egos in stop light >>races. It generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other >>in a game of one-on-one basketball!! > >The SL2 does 0-60 in about 8.5; note that this is closer to a 968 than >to a Paseo or Storm (pseudo-sporty cars). That's a ridiculous >comparison, I know, but the point is that Saturns (and high-end Civics, >for that matter) accelerate just fine, in fact better than most >unimproved ""muscle"" cars of the 60s; 300 hp is great, but tied to 2 >tons, it just doesn't go that quick. Saturns, on the other hand, use 125 >hp tied to 2400 lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the >line. Anyway.... > > > While your 0-60 time is consistent with most car magazines and reports, I saw the PBS MotorWeek show clock a 5-speed SL2 at 7.9 seconds. I'm sure that most SL2 owners will be VERY lucky to get this speed, but 7.9 seconds is still astonishingly fast for a small 4-door. A new Civic EX runs about 8.2 seconds 0-60, if I'm not mistaken. Most cars in this class are lucky to be in the 9-second range. Mihir Shah " 6872,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: FCUS/HEALTH: ONE PAYER SYSTEM B.S. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: na Lines: 54 UJSNYDER%MSUVX2%MEMSTVX1.BITNET@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu writes: > >There is never any mention of how much working Canadians have to >pay in taxes for their ""free"" health care system. Oh, *really*??? >I know that more than 50% of an average daily worker's salary goes >towards taxes in Canada mainly because of this ""free"" health care. >It looks like we are pretty lucky so far. I know that when working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed seperately on my pay stub. While I'm not the only Canadian who favours lower taxes and cutbacks in spending, health insurance isn't on the table. See our polls ... A better one might be the July 1st polls conducted for Macleans (our major English newsmagazine) by Decima Research ... Decima president Allen Gregg is considered one of the world's top poll researchers, and Mulroney's Conservatives have relied on him to keep in power in the face of impossible election situations. I haven't had a chance to see this year's version due to our library, but previous ones before the Americans started their assault and disinformation had shown satisfaction at 97% and switching to an American all-private system had support within statistical noise. The Decima polls are considered definitive. Even the new Reform Party, a breakoff of traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly ""libertarian"" faction, hold our public health insurance as an untouchable but that just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American counterparts on issues like these). Personally, I feel that the universal health insurance approach used in Canada, France and Germany -- paying to private health providers in a nominally free market not unlike America's, minus HMO's -- depends a lot on values in those societies different from the U.S. The basic health needs for life are not viewed as market, but the insurance does allow the market to address that -- basic health care is not viewed on the level of ownership of a VCR as Americans would see it. Plenty of room is left for expenditure of private funds as extra insurance or as >Lastly, there were noises about how the Canadian system was not >containing costs, but, in fact, their system is currently bankrupt. Please explain this one, hopefully in a way that Canadian readers besides myself can understand and concur ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 6873,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 36 In article <1qugvu$ai8@quad.wfunet.wfu.edu> hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes: > >Thanx to all those who responded, particularly those ""never driven an XXX >but here's what it's like:"" guys... > >OK, we all know that new-age AT's are great in traffic, and do a satisfactory >job in acceleration when you keep your foot buried in the carpet. > >My question regards downshifting. NOT downshifting to pass (AT's are >good at this now), but manually moving the lever to 3, 2, or 1 at a point >where you would downshift a manual-- e.g. approaching a red light, or a >curve, or just tooling around a parking lot in 1st or 2nd w/o shifting. >This is why I'm still a Manual-Trans Bigot-- the downshifting for >deceleration seems so natural. When I try this in an automatic, the >tranny doesn't seem to understand what I want. > >Addendum-- isn't it great, after downshifting while approaching that >red light, when the light goes green, and you're already on-cam >(or the turbo's already spooled up!) -- zippppppppppp! > >Hagen. (hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu) > i have a grand am with auto and quad4. around the gear selector there is a plastic strip which covers the space so you can't see inside. anyway...i took the cover off and cut the end of this long strip to a specific length, the strip curls up into a cirlce at one end inside. anyway, by doing this the strip can't feed into the lip that circles it,,,,so...i can push button, pull down and the gear shifter will only go back to 2 from drive,,,no accidental hitting first. i drive around town in 2 to keep the revs up. shift to drive above 50 and pull down to 2 when coming up to lights..if i want. if i am eating food...i drive in drive. there are probably aftermarket shift kits that will accomplish the same thing. porsche's tip-tronic automatic can be driven like an auto...or put into +/- mode. tip up...upshift...tip down... downshift. of course there is an override so you don't redline the engine. " 6874,9,"From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) Subject: Re: ESPN/TBS GAMES? Article-I.D.: meaddata.1pptv1$mgb Distribution: world Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com In article <05APR93.13661642.0023@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: |> Does anyone know where I can get a list of nationally televised |> games, such as ESPN and TBS? I live on the East coast and I'd |> like to catch as many Giants games as I possibly can! This list is published every week in Baseball Weekly. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""That was not swimming. That was bathing."" - A German reporter, after watching 1972 Olympic superstar swimmer Mark Spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race " 6875,15,"From: by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) Subject: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 Hi... I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already, but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into pantheism? I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it being perverted into something dangerous. As evidence, may I quote THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (of all things!), April 2 (Editorial page): ""We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental) dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a reverence formerly accorded real religions."" (EMPHASIS MINE). Thoughts? Reactions? Harangues? " 6876,18,"From: MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: auvm.93096.030733MCARTWR <1993Mar28.022903.13575@ncsu.edu> <93087.042722MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu> <93087.190106MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu> <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs. Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Lines: 53 In article <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) says: > >In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: >)MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: >) >) >)>The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE >)>to submit to sexual intercourse."" >) >)Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states >)had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised >)as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but >)was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, >)uniformly throughout the U.S. > >I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI* >figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female >rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they >refuse to comply with this sexist definition! >-- >The worms crawl in >The worms crawl out >The worms post to the net from your account Insofar as several ""liberal"" jurisdictions are concerned, the essential elements of rape are gender neutral. Nonetheless, I decided to provide a number of references to support my original argument. Black's Law Dictionary (every law student/lawyer's friend) defines rape as: Unlawful sexual intercourse with a female without her consent. The unlawful knowledge of a woman by a man forcibly and against her will. The Model Penal Code (the statute proposed by the National Conference of Commissioners of Uniform State Laws or other organization for adoption by state legislatures) defines rape as: A male who has sexual intercourse with a female not his wife is guilty of rape if he (a) compels her to submit by force or by threat of imminent death.... (MPC @213.1(1)(a)) Indeed the following jurisdictions/states have statutes similar to the MPC: Alabama-- Code of Ala. @13A-6-61 (1992) Arkansas--Ark.Stat.Ann. @5-14-103 (1993) District of Columbia--D.C. Code @22-2801 (1992) Georgia--O.F.G.A. @16-6-1 (1992) Idaho--Idaho Code @18-6101 (1992) Maryland--Md.Ann.Code.Art. 27 @462 (1992) Mississippi--Miss.Code Ann. @97-3-71 (1993) New York (check case law)--N.Y.C.L.S. Penal @130.35 (1993) North Carolina--N.C. Gen.Stat. @14-27-2 (1992) Puerto Rico--L.P.R.A. @4062 (1993) Ta, Martina " 6877,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr5.203552.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that >Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse >and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros >to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. > Obviously some reporter for the Ottawa Sun got taken by an April Fools joke...probably started by someone with the Nordiques or the Bruins. Like for example...who is going to reimburse the Flyers for the $15 million they paid to the Nordiques...like the Senators are going to get Lindros and $15 million. The Flyers sent the equivalent of 6 or 7 players (when you include the draft choices) to Quebec, and they are going to get only four back. Some reporter was had real badly and someone must be having a real good laugh seeing as how the so much of the sports media has chosen to publicize this utter nonsense. >If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa >gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? > Can you think...it cannot possibly be true...no need for the ""if""! >Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. >They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away >again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in >Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the >franchise. > >Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal >for the pick. > I can't believe that anyone would consider giving such crap even the remotest consideration. Gerald " 6878,1,"From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) Subject: detecting double points in bezier curves Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL. Lines: 6 I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, Ferdinand. " 6879,5,"From: tom@DONT_USE.NETcom.COM (Thomas Tulinsky) Subject: Wcl for Solaris 2? Organization: The Internet Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, tom@DONT_USE.netcom.com Is there a version of Wcl that has been ported to Solaris 2, including ANSI C? I had numerous problems trying to compile Wcl under Solaris, and the functions do not have prototypes. I have Wcl 2.01 from the Sun User Group's 1992 CDs. Please email answers as I am not on this list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Tulinsky Capital Management Sciences West Los Angeles 310 479 9715 MANUALLY ADDRESS answers to: zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com " 6880,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Lines: 21 : From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) : Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to : stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to : the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for : the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As : it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been : for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) I was wondering some time ago how big a market there was for good old- fashion acoustic coupler technology to build a secure phone :-) ... is it possible to mask out all the real voice well enough so that none of it strays into the mouthpiece? Perhaps a well-sealed coupler attachment that was as well blocked as possible, then a white noise generator on the outside to muffle any real speech? G " 6881,16,"From: tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) writes: >> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. >oh, i see. electricity is a natural right & our wonderful government >would -never- cut off the power to the people they were besieging. >are you really this dumb, or just acting like it for the sake of >argument? >jason No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the buildings down very credible,either. It's not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some- one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig- nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings. I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac- cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of their conduct in this whole affair. Tom Gift tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu " 6882,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Ohio House Bill 278 (Otto Beatty's military weapons ban) Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: Otto Beatty, military weapons, registration, sales ban Lines: 486 [Note, Ohio legislation unlike Federal legislation, shows the entire law as it would be changed by the legislation. These parts are in ALL CAPITALS, the rest (i.e., current law is in regular type)]. AS INTRODUCED 120TH GENERAL ASEMBLY REGULAR SESSION H. B. NO. 278 1993-1994 REPRESENATIVE BEATTY A BILL To amend sections2923.11, 2923.17,and 2923.20 and to enact section 2923.181 of the Revised Code to expand the defintion of dangerous ordnance to include military weapons that do not use bolt action, to increase the penalty for a violation of the prohibition against possession of dangerous ordnance, to prohibit any person from acquiring a military weapon on or after the act's effective date, to require the licensure of military weapons acquired for aproper purpose prior to the act's effective dte, to prohibit a person from importing, manufacturing, or selling a military weapon, and to declare an emergency. BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF OHIO: Section 1. That sections 2923.11, 2923.17 and 2923.20 be amended and section 2923.181 of the Revised Code be enacted to read as follows: Sec. 2923.11. As used in section 2923.11 to 2923.24 of the Revised Code: (A) ""deadly weapon"" means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon. (B)(1) ""firearm"" means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant. ""firarms"" includes an unloaded firearm, and any firearm which is inoperable but which can readily be rendered operable. (2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may rely upon circumstancial evidence, including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm. (C) ""Handgun"" means any firearm designed to be fired while held in one hand. (D) ""Semi-automatic firearm"" means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically chamber a suceeding cartridge ready to fire, with a single function of the trigger. (E) ""Automatic firearm"" means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. ""Automatic firearm"" also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges. (F) ""Sawed-off firearm"" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall. (G) ""Zip-gun"" means any of the following: (1) Any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture; (2) Any device, including without limitation a starter's pistol, not designed as a firearm, but which is specially adapted for use as a firearm; (3) Any industrial tool, signalling device, or safety device, not designed as a firearm, but which as designed is capable of use as such A FIREARM, when possessed, carried, or used as a firearm. (H) ""Explosive device"" means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it. ""Explosive device"" includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge, and any pressure vessel which has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode. (I) ""Incendiary device"" means any firebomb, and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it. (J) ""Ballistic knife"" means a knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a spring-operated mechanism. (K) ""Dangerous ordinance"" means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section: (1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearms. zip-gun, or ballistic knife; (2) Any explosive device or incendiary device; (3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid- oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions; (4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon; (5) Any firearm muffler or silencer; (6) ANY MILITARY WEAPON; (7) ANY DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, MAGAZINE, DRUM, BELT, FEED STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT READILY CAN BE RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; (8) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordinance. (L) ""Dangerous ordnance"" does not include any of the following: (1) Any firearm, including a military weapon and the ammunition for that weapon, and regardless of its actual age, which employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition system or which is designed and safe for use only with black powder, and (2) Any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, designed or suitable for sporting purposes, UNLESS THE FIREARM IS EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING; (a) A military weapon as issued or as modified, and the ammunition for that weapon; (b) AN automatic or sawed-off firearm. (3) Any cannon or other artilery piece which, regardless of its actual age, is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887, has no mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage, and is designed and safe for use only with black powder; (4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division (L) (3) of this section during displays, celebrations, organized matches or shoots, and target practice, and smokeless and black powder, primers, and percussion caps possed and lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small-arms or small-arms ammunition; (5) Dangerous ordinance which is inoperable or inert and cannot readily be rendered operable or activated, and which is kept as a trophy, souvenir, curio, or museum piece. (6) Any device which is expressly excepted from the definition of a destructive device pursuant to the ""Gun Control Act of 1968,"" 82 Stat. 1213, 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4), as amended, and regulations issued under that act. (M) ""MILITARY WEAPON' MEANS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING; (1) ANY FIREARM THAT ORIGINALLY WAS MANUFACTURED FOR MILITARY USE, OR A COPY OF ANY SUCH FIREARM, IF THE FIREARM IS NOT A BOLT ACTION FIREARM; (2) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A RIFLE OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A RIFLE; (a) ARMALITE AR-180; (b) AUTO-ORDNANCE THOMPSON MODELS 1927A1 AND M-1; (c) AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOV; (d) POLY TECH AK-47S; (e) CHINA SPORTS AK-47 BULLPUP; (f) MITCHELL AK-47 AND M-76 (g) BARRETT LIGHT-FIFTY MODEL 82A1; (h) BARETTA AR-70; (i) BUSHMASTER AUTO RIFLE; (j) CALICO M900 AND M-100 (k) COLT AR-15 (l) COMMANDO ARMS CARBINE, MARK 111, MARK 45, AND MARK 9; (m) UNIVERSAL 5000 CARBINE, ENFORCER; (n) AMERICAN ARMS ARM-1 AND AKY 39; (o) DAEWOO MAX-1 AND MAX-2; (p) FABRIQUE NATIONALE FN/FAL, FN/LAR. AND FN/FNC; (q) FAMAS MAS 223; (r) FEATHER AT-9; (s) FEDERAL KC-900 AND XC-450 (t) GALIL AR AND ARM; (u) GONCZ HIGH-TECH CARBINE; (v) HECKLER AND KOCH HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, AND PSG-1; (w) MANDALL TAC-1 CARBINE (x) RUGER MINI 14/SF FOLDING STOCK MODEL; (y) SIG 57 AMT AND 500 SERIES; (z) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SAR-48, G-3, BM-59 ALPINE, AND M1A CARBINE; (aa) STERLING MK-6 AND MARK 7; (bb) STEYR AUG; (cc) UZI CARBINE AND MINI-CARBINE; (dd) VALMET M-62S, M-76, M-78, AND M82 BULLPUP CARBINE; (ee) WEAVER ARMS NIGHTHAWK; (ff) MILITARY M14 AND MILITARY M1 CARBINE .30; (gg) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY M1A ASSAULT; (hh) THOMPSON 27A-5 WITH DRUM MAGAZINE; (ii) PLAINFIELD COMMANDO UNIVERSE 5000 CARBINE; (jj) COBRAY M-11 WITH OR WITHOUT SILENCER; (kk) SPECTRE AUTO CARBINE; (ll) SWD COBRAY; (mm) ARMI JAGER AP-74 AND AP-74 COMMANDO; (nn) ARMSCORP OF AMERICA ISRAELI FN-FAL; (oo) CLAYCO SKS CARBINE; (pp) DRAGUNOV SNIPER; (qq) EMF AP-74; (rr) IVER JOHNSON PM30 P PARATROOPER; (ss) NORINCO SKS; (tt) PARTISAN AVENGER; (uu) SIGARMS SG 550 SP AND SG 551 SP; (vv) SQUIRES BINGHAM M 16; (ww) WILKINSON ""TERRY"" CARBINE. (3) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A PISTOL OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A PISTOL: (a) BUSHMASTER AUTO PISTOL; (b) CALICO 100-P AUTO PISTOL; (c) EBCIN NJ-IV, MP-9, AND MP-45; (d) FEATHER MINI-AT; (e) GONCZ HIGH TECH PISTOL' (f) HOLMES MP-83 AND MP-22; (g) INTRATEC TEC-9 AND SCORPION .22; (h) IVER JOHNSON ENFORCER; (i) INGRAM MAC-10 AND MAC-11; (j) MITCHELL ARMS SPECTRE AUTO; (k) SCARAB SKORPION; (l) STERLING MK-7; (m) UZI PISTOL; (n) UNIVERSAL ENFORCER; (o) WILKINSON ""LINDA"" AUTO PISTOL. (4) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A SHOTGUN OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A SHOTGUN: (a) FRANCHI SPAS-12 AND LAW-12; (b) STRIKER 12 AND STREET SWEEPER; (c) BENELLI M1 SUPER 90; (d) MOSSBERG 500 BULLPUP; (e) USAS-12 AUTO SHOTGUN. Sec. 2923.17. (A)(1) No person shall knowingly acquire, have, OR carry any dangerous ordnance. (2) NO PERSON SHALL KNOWINGLY USE ANY DANGEROUS ORDNANCE. (B) This section does not apply to ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) Officers, agents, or employees of this or any other state or the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States or the organized militia of this or any other state, and law enforcement officers, to the extent that any such person is authorized to acquire, have, carry, or use dangerous ordnance and is acting within the scope of his duties; (2) Importers, manufacturers, dealers, and users of explosives, having a license or user permit issued and in effect pursuant to the ""Organized Crime Control Act of 1970,"" 84 Stat. 952, 18 U.S.C. 843, and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to explosives and explosive devices lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used under the laws of this state and applicable federal law; (3) Importers, manufactuers, and dealers having a license to deal in destructive devices or their ammunition, issued and in effect pursuant to the ""Gun Control Act of 1968,"" 82 Stat. 1213. 18 U.S.C. 923 and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used under the laws of this state and applicable federal law; (4) Persons to whom surplus ordnance has been sold, loaned, or given by the secretary of the army pursuant to 70A Stat. 62 and 263, 10 U.S.C. 4684, 4685, 4686, and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to dangerous ordnance when lawfully possessed and used for the purpose specified in THAT section; (5) Owners of dangerous ordnance registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record pursuant to the act of October 22, 1968, 82 Stat.1229, 26 U.S.C. 5841, and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF, and regulations issued UNDER THE ACT. (6) Carriers, warehousemen, and others engaged in the business of transporting or storing goods for hire, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully transported or stored in the usual course of their business and in compliance with the laws of this state and applicable federal law; (7) The holders of a license or temporary permit issued and in effect pursuant to section 2923.18 of the Revised Code, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used for the purposes and in the manner specified in THE license or permit. (C) DIVISION (A)(1) OF THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE ACQUISITION, HAVING, OR CARRYING OF DANGEROUS ORDNANCE THAT IS A MILITARY WEAPON IF BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING APPLY: (1) THE PERSON WHO ACQUIRES, HAS, OR CARRIES THE DANGEROUS ORDNANCE IN QUESTION ACQUIRED IT BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT AS A COLLECTOR'S ITEM OR FOR A LEGITIMATE RESEARCH, SCIENTIFIC, EDUCATIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR OTHER PROPER PURPOSE; (2) NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH DAY AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT, THE PERSON WHO ACQUIRED THE DANGEROUS ORDNANCE IN QUESTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH DIVISION (C)(1) OF THIS SECTION SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 2923.181 OF THE REVISED CODE FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY IT AND THE APPLICATION HAS NOT BEEN DENIED OR A VALID LICENSE HAS BEEN ISSUED TO THE PERSON. (D) DIVISIONS (A)(1) AND (2) OF THIS SECTION DO NOT APPLY TO THE ACQUISITION, HAVING, CARRYING, OR USING OF ANY DANGEROUS ORDNANCE DESCRIBED IN DIVISION (k)(7) OF SECTION 2923.11 OF THE REVISED CODE THAT WAS ACQUIRED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT. (E) Whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, a AN AGGRAVATED felony of the FIRST degree. Sec. 2923.181. (A) ANY PERSON WHO ACQUIRED A MILITARY WEAPON BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION SHALL FILE A WRITTEN APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHERE THE APPLICANT RESIDES OR HAS HIS PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. THE APPLICATION SHALL BE FILED NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH DAY AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION AND SHALL BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FILING FEE OF FIFTY DOLLARS. THE PERSON SHALL FILE A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND PAY A SEPARATE FILING FEE FOR EACH MILITARY WEAPON THAT HE HAS OR INTENDS TO CARRY. THE APPLICATION SHALL CONTAIN ALL OF THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION: (1) THE NAME, AGE, ADDRESS, OCCUPATION, AND BUSINESS ADDRESS OF THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT IS A NATURAL PERSON, OR THE NAME, ADDRESS, AND PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS OF THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT IS A CORPORATION; (2) A DESCRIPTION OF THE MILITARY WEAPON FOR WHICH A LICENSE IS REQUESTED, INCLUDING THE SERIAL NUMBER AND ALL IDENTIFICATION MARKS; (3) A STATEMENT OF THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE MILITARY WEAPON WAS ACQUIRED AND FOR WHICH IT IS TO BE POSSESSED, CARRIED, OR USED; (4) ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE ISSUING AUTHORITY MAY REQUIRE IN GIVING EFFECT TO THIS SECTION; (5) THE OATH OF THE APPLICANT THAT THE INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION IS TRUE. (B)(1) NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE FOURTEENTH DAY AFTER AN APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON HAS BEEN FILED UNDER DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION, THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL EITHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND ISSUE A LICENSE TO THE APPLICANT OR DENY THE APPLICATION AND SEND A LETTER OF DENIAL BY ORDINARY MAIL TO THE APPLICANT. AFTER CONDUCTING ANY NECESSARY INVESTIGATION, THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL ISSUE A LICENSE TO AN APPLICANT WHOM IT DETERMINES SATISFIES THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: (a) THE APPLICANT IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER, IF THE APPLICANT IS A NATURAL PERSON; (b) IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL POSSESS AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON AS A COLLECTOR'S ITEM OR FOR A LEGITIMATE, SCIENTIFIC, EDUCATIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR OTHER PROPER PURPOSE; (c) IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUFFICIENT COMPETENCE TO HAVE AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON AND THAT PROPER PRECAUTIONS WILL BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THE SECURITY OF THE MILITARY WEAPON AND THE SAFETY OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY; (d) THE APPLICANT OTHERSWISE IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW FROM HAVING OR CARRYING DANGEROUS ORDNANCE. (2) A LICENSE ISSUED PURSUANT TO DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE VALID FOR ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE OF ITS ISSUANCE. THE LICENSE SHALL BE RENEWED PURSUANT TO DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION. (C)(1) EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN DIVISION (C)(3) OF THIS SECTION, ANY PERSON WHO IS ISSUED A LICENSE UNDER DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS SECTION SHALL RENEW THE LICENSE BY FILING AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL BY REGULAR MAIL WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR THE SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHO WAS THE ISSUING AUTHORITY OF THE LICENSE. AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL SHALL BE FILED ANNUALLY NO LATER THAN ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE ON WHICH THE LICENSE WAS ISSUED OR LAST RENEWED. (2) EACH SHERIFF AND EACH SAFETY DIRECTOR AND PEACE OFFICER OF A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE APPLICATIONS FOR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE ISSUED UNDER DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS SECTION. IN THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT, UNDER OATH, SHALL UPDATE THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE OR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE. THE APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE SHALL BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FEE OF FIVE DOLLARS. THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE A SEPERATE APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL AND PAY A SEPERATE RENEWAL FEE FOR EACH MILITARY WEAPON THAT HE INTENDS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE AND CARRY. (3) A PERSON WHO HAS CHANGED HIS RESIDENCE OR PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS TO A LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SUBSEQUENT TO THE ISSUANCE OR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE UNDER THIS SECTION SHALL RENEW HIS LICENSE BY FILING AN APPLICATION IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED BY DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR THE SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHERE HE THEN RESIDES OR HAS HIS PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. WHEN MAKING AN APPLICATION TO RENEW A LICENSE AFTER A CHANGE IN RESIDENCE OR PLACE OF BUSINESS, THE APPLICANT SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE CHANGE OF ADDRESS BY REGULAR MAIL TO THE ORIGINAL ISSUING AUTHORITY FOR THE LICENSE AND THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL ON NOTIFICATION FORMS PRESCRIBED BY THE SHERIFF, SAFETY DIRECTOR, OR POLICE CHIEF FROM WHOM HE SEEKS RENEWAL. (D) A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON SHALL IDENTIFY THE PERSON TO WHOM IT IS ISSUED, IDENTIFY THE MILITARY WEAPON FOR WHICH IT IS ISSUED, STATE THE PURPOSE IDENTIFIED IN DIVISION (B)(1)(b) OF THIS SECTION FOR WHICH THE MILITARY WEAPON WILL BE POSSESSED AND CARRIED, STATE ITS EXPIRATION DATE, AND LIST ALL RESTRICTIONS ON THE HAVING OR CARRYING OF THE MILITARY WEAPON AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LAWS OF THIS STATE AND APPLICABLE FEDERAL LAW. (E) ANY PERSON WHO IS ISSUED A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON UNDER THIS SECTION AND WHO CHANGES HIS ADDRESS SHALL NOTIFY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY OF THE CHANGE OF HIS ADDRESS NO LATER THAN NINETY DAYS AFTER THE CHANGE HAS OCCURRED. (F) THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL FORWARD TO THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL A COPY OF EACH LICENSE ISSUED OR RENEWED UNDER THIS SECTION. THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL SHALL KEEP A PERMANENT FILE OF ALL LICENSES ISSUED OR RENEWED UNDER THIS SECTION. (G) THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL CAUSE EACH APPLICATION FEE OF FIFTY DOLLARS, FILED UNDER DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION, TO BE DEPOSITED IN THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY OR MUNCIPAL CORPORATION SERVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY. THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL CAUSE TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS OF EACH RENEWAL FEE, FILED UNDER DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION, TO BE DEPOSITED IN THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL CORPORATION SERVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY AND SHALL SEND TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS OF EACH RENEWAL FEE TO THE TREASURER OF STATE FOR DEPOSIT IN THE STATE TREASURY TO THE CREDIT OF THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND. (H) WHOEVER VIOLATES DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF FAILING TO APPLY FOR THE LICENSURE OF A MILITARY WEAPON, A FELONY OF THE FOURTH DEGREE. WHOEVER VIOLATES DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF FAILING TO APPLY FOR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE FOR A MILITARY WEAPON, A MISDEMEANOR OF THE FIRST DEGREE. (I) A MILITARY WEAPON THAT IS NOT LICENSED AS REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION IS CONTRABAND, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 2901.01 OF THE REVISED CODE AND IS SUBJECT TO FORFEITURE UNDER SECTION 2933.43 OF THE REVISED CODE. SEC. 2933.20. (A) No person shall DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) IMPORT, MANUFACTURE, POSSESS FOR SALE, SELL, OR FURNISH TO ANY PERSON ANY MILITARY WEAPON; (2) Recklessly sell, lend, give, or furnish any firearm to any person prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the Revised Code from acquiring or using any firearm, or recklessly sell, lend, give, or furnish any dangerous ordnance to any person prohibited by section 2923.13, 2923.15, or 2923.17 of the Revised Code from acquiring or using any dangerous ordnance; (3) Possess any firearm or dangerous ordnance with purpose to dispose of it in violation of division (A) of this section; (4) Manufacture, possess for sale, sell, or furnish to any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use in police work, any brass knuckles, cestus, billy, blackjack, sandbag, switchblade knife, springblade knife, gravity knife, or similar weapon; (5) When transferring any dangerous ordnance to another, negligently fail to require the transferes to exhibit ANY identification, license, or permit showing him to be authorized to acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant to section 2923.17 of the Revised Code, or negligently fail to take a complete record of the transaction and forthwith forward a copy of THE record to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the transaction takes place; (6) Knowingly fail to report to law enforcement authorities forthwith the loss or theft of any firearm or dangerous ordnance in such person's possession or under his control. (b) Whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful transactions in weapons. Violation of division (A)(1) OF THIS SECTION IS AN AGGRAVATED FELONY OF THE FIRST DEGREE. VIOLATION OF DIVISION (A)(2) OR (3) Oof this section is a felony of the third degree. Violation of division (A) (4) OR (5) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree. Violation of division (6) of this section is a midemeanor of the fourth degree. Section 2. That existing section 2923.11, 2923.17 and 2923.20 of the Revised Code are hereby repealed. Section 3. This act is hereby declared to be an emergency measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, and safety. The reason for this necessity is that with immediate action, this act will prohibit the continued purchase, possession, and use of military weapons and as a result will ameliorate a substantial threat of death and injury to the public caused by the misuse of improper use of these weapons. Therefore, this act shall go into immediate effect. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 6883,13,"Subject: Re: Can't Breathe -- Update From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) Distribution: world Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu's message of 5 Apr 93 19:06:39 -0600Lines: 17 Lines: 17 Thanks to all those who responded to my original post on this question. The final diagnosis was Stress. I did not take her for a chiropractic adjustment. (Rachel receives all her medical care at Keller Army Hospital since she is a military dependant, and the Army does not yet provide chiropractic adjustments as part of its regular health care.) I am hoping that the arrival of (1) Spring Break, and (2) College Acceptance Letters, will help. *UNFORTUNATELY* she was wait-listed at the college she most dearly wanted to attend, so it seems as though that stressor may just continue for a while. :-( Meanwhile she is going on a camping trip with her religious youth group for spring break, which seems like a good stress-reliever to me. Thanks again for everybody's help/advice/suggestions/ideas. ------------------------ Ruth Ginzberg Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA " 6884,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 72 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes: > What's going on? The Russians and the Czechs are unable to beat easy >opponents, and the Swedes beat Austria only 1:0?!? > It's the ""opening-game effect"" maybe. Pros arrive late, nervousness for rookie WC players, and problems to get the lines clicking may make things hard to get it going against these ""worse"" nations. I'd guess that the better team you face in the opening game, the better it is, since the chances of an upset are greater then. Some other reasons why the ""worse"" teams are so tough to beat was presented by Hans ""Virus"" Lindberg (former coach in Switzerland). 1) The ""worse"" teams (referring to France, Switzerland, Austria, Italy etc) have now usually world class goalies. 2) Their defensive play have become much more disciplined, they take much less unnecessary penalties. 3) They use four lines which makes it harder to make them ""run out of gas."" 4) The ice quality in the German WC rinks is poor. > The only convincing winner was... Germany. Wierd. > Another weird thing was that the Czechs played entertaining hockey.. err.. just kidding, David. >p.s. Alex, I would like to see the Czech roster, including, if possible, >the clubs from which the players come. How many are ""Finnish"", ""German"", >or ""Swiss""? > Alex? That's a new name for me ;) OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it. I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some of these players play in Finland). The Czech Republic ------------------ Goaltenders: 1. Petr Briza (Finland somewhere, right?) 2. Roman Turek Motor C. Budejovice Defense: 3. Leo Gudas ? 4. Milos Holan TJ Vitkovice 5. Drahomir Kadlec ? 6. Bedrich Scerban Brynas, Sweden 7. Antonin Stavjana HV 71, Sweden 8. Miroslav Horava MoDo, Sweden 9. Ales Flasar TJ Vitkovice Forwards: 10. Petr Rosol ? 12. Kamil Kastak HV 71, Sweden 13. Richard Zemlicka ? 14. Jiri Kucera ? 16. Jan Caloun HC Litvinov 18. Petr Hrbek ? 19. Tomas Kapusta ? 20. Otakar Janecky (Finland?) 21. Roman Horak Motor C. Budejovice 22. Martin Hostak MoDo, Sweden 24. Radek Toupal ? 26. Jiri Dolezal ? Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 6885,10,"From: ddf@mips.com (Dee Dee France) Subject: European/Russian Hockey team addresses? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.mti.sgi.com Originator: ddf@ralph.mti.sgi.com Does anyone have the addresses to any of the following hockey teams located in the Czech/Slovak Republics, Finland, Russia or Sweden? Any information on how to find these addresses would also be appreciated. Aik Assat Brynas Budejovice Chelabinsk Djurgarden Dynamo Eskulap Espoo Farjestad Frolunda HPK HV-71 Hifk Ilves JYP HT Jihlava Jokerit Jokp Kalpa Khimik Kladno Kristall Lada Leksand Litvinov Lukko Lulea Malmo Metallurg Modo Olomouc Pardubice Red Army Rogle Skoda Slovan Soviet Wings Sparta Spartak TPS Tappara Trencin Tuto Vantaa Vasteras Yaroslavl Zlin -- Dee Dee France ddf@sgi.com " 6886,4,"From: gweil@ibeam.intel.com (Garry Weil) Subject: Monitor recommendation Needed Summary: Which one larger than 14""? Organization: Multimedia Software Technology Group Lines: 16 I have finally decided to update my SE :-)). I am planning on buying a Centris 610-8/230 CD. Now, what monitor should I get? Here are a few guidelines: My wife uses PageMaker occasionally, I use Excel sometimes and I do alot of Telecommuting from home to work. We both do Word processing. Greater than 14 inches. I have looked at the Radius Color Pivot. This can be bought for under $1000. I have heard good things about the E-Machines T-16, the older model not the new T-16 II. How about the Super Mac 17T? These both can be had for a little over $1000. Any others?? Garry " 6887,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >>To borrow from philosophy, you don't truly understand the color red >>until you have seen it. >Not true, even if you have experienced the color red you still might >have a different interpretation of it. But, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge it subjectively. And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting to discuss the merits of red. keith " 6888,13,"From: lmegna@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lisa Megna) Subject: Neurofibromatosis Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu Hello, I am writing a grant proposal for a Developmental Genetics class and I have chose to look at the Neurofibromatosis 1 gene and its variable expressivity. I am curious what has already been done on this subject, especially the relationship between specific mutations and the resulting phenotype. My literature search has produce many references, but I want to make sure I am proposing new research. If anyone knows aything that has been recently or key peopl doing research to search for using MEDLINE, I would apprciate being informed. Thank you. Lisa Megna lmegna@titan.ucc.umass.edu " 6889,8,"From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) Subject: FAQ - What is the DoD? Summary: Everything you always wanted to know about DoD, but were afraid to ask Keywords: DoD FAQ Article-I.D.: javelin.DoD.monthly_733561501 Expires: Sun, 30 May 1993 07:05:01 GMT Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 849 Supersedes: This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available. This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to rec.motorcycles. Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of Halon. VERSION 1.1 This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contents: How do I get a DoD number? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 DoD ""Road Rider"" article by Bruce Tanner DoD #161 What is the DoD? by John Sloan DoD #11 The DoD Logo by Chuck Rogers DoD #3 The DoD (this started it all) by The Denizen of Doom DoD #1 The DoD Anthem by Jonathan Quist DoD #94 Why you have to be killed by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 The rec.moto.photo.archive courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161 Patches? What patches? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 Letter from the AMA museum by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395 The DoD Rules by consensus Other rec.moto resources by various Keepers DoD #misc The rec.moto.reviews.archive courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210 Updated stats & rides info by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How do I get a DoD number? If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is ""What is the DoD?"", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be ""How do I get a DoD number?"" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List (KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non- base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.) Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too. By now you're probably asking ""So who's the KotL already?"". Well, as John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real ""secret"" left around here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself, nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line- oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with ""weenie mailers""). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a Dead-Head. ***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ****************** Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting something done. Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!) days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two. During such times of economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an excersize for the reader). If you suspect mailer problems, at least annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?). *********************************************************************** One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya? The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, & e-mail address. For example: 0111:Ed Green:CA:ed.green@East.Sun.COM (PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.) Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Denizens of Doom"", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161) [Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission] There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal things that a bunch of bikers do. They discuss motorcycles and motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops, helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy, traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship. They argue with each other and plan rides together. The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that, although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each other face to face. The members of this group live all over the known world and communicate with each other electronically via computer. The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers; the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users. Currently, rec.motorcycles (pronounced ""wreck-dot-motorcycles,"" it's the file name for the group's primary on-line ""meeting place"") carries about 2250 articles per month; it is read by an estimated 29,000 people. Most of the frequent posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred to as the DoD. The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes. Fellow computer enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, ""Denizen of Doom."" A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of the Flame. Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001. The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one. To date there have been almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Norway and Finland. Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch. The initial run of 300 patches sold out immediately. The profits from this went to the American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation. Another AMHF fund raiser -- selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a few months later. Again, the project was successful and the profits were donated to the foundation. So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500 to the AMA museum. A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go riding together. It turns out that the two largest concentrations of DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's ""Silicon Valley."" Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California ""Joust."" The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big barbecue dinner. The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north, meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle. An additional plan for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July. Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to get together. Long may they flame. ""Live to Flame -- Flame to Live"" [centerbar] This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do anything like that face to face. These insults are known as ""flames""; issuing them is called ""flaming."" Flames often start when a member disagrees with something another member has posted over the network. A typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be something like: ""What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad poseur!"" This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding ability and your cat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_ by John Sloan DoD #0011 Periodically the question ""What is DoD?"" is raised. This is one of those questions in the same class as ""Why is the sky blue?"", ""If there is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?"" and ""Why do women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they dump you?"", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition, and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the halls of academe for generations. A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and signed it ""The Denizen of Doom"". Not wishing to identify himself, he asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking individual, did so. Flaming and other amusements followed. He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership number. Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized electronically. It may well be that readers were yearning to become a part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the sum of its parts. It could also be that we're all computer nerds who wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open minded enough to accept us as members. In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list (often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by #11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and distributed on VHS by #18)! Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races, placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards? Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell. The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which includes name, state, and email address. The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least until next year when we may decided to change the name). Live to Flame - Flame to Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by Chuck Rogers, car377@druhi.att.com, DoD #0003 :-( DoD )-: :-( x __ __ x )-: :-( x / / \ \ x )-: :-( x / / -\-----/- \ \ x )-: :-( L | \/ \ / \/ | F )-: :-( I | / \ / \ | L )-: :-( V \/ __ / __ \/ A )-: :-( E / / \ / \ \ M )-: :-( | | \ / | | E )-: :-( T | | . | _ | . | | )-: :-( O | \___// \\___/ | T )-: :-( \ \_/ / O )-: :-( F \___ ___/ )-: :-( L \ \ / / L )-: :-( A \ vvvvv / I )-: :-( M | ( ) | V )-: :-( E | ^^^^^ | E )-: :-( x \_______/ x )-: :-( x x )-: :-( x rec.motorcycles x )-: :-( USENET )-: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The DoD by the Denizen of Doom DoD #1 Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent (the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against you. Read 'em and weep. We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection: Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!! Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW crowd eh? I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer 11 but what the heck. Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man. Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor! Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a Woosh-a-stream. Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream. Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements??? Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see what they say, eh? Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this. High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest. Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW! Terrible: B.T.??? Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own. Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag. Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway??? Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm. Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either. Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear. Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear! Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW??? Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean even Villy Ogle flamed me for that! Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes. Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush! Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias? Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW? Heritick: Nahhh. Hooter: Hoot, Hoot. Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there? Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!! Muck: What's a carbujector? Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!! Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!! Dill: Well, where do we race? Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't ride! Muck: No! No! Quiet! Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion. They even have luggage made by Sourkraut! High: My 9 too! Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!! Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!! Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin! Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting it up on the ole ventral stand! Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too! Booster: I hate Cavortin. All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW. Booster: I love Cavortin. All: WE KNOW WE KNOW. Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras? Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww. Muck: What about a Tridump? Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum? Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity? Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself? Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make. Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter. Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever. Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that. And Now even more west coasters pour in. Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest! Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector! Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth: Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men. Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally. More riders from the west coast come into the discussion: Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame. Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison. With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn. Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns. Muck: Why?? Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin. Muck: But I only have a 4-banger. Clean: No GOOD! Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers! Clean: Inferior! Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a thrill... Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for? Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME, WILHEM! Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW? And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all boomed out. G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions. All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease. Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding mini-trikes? Are our arguing heros doomed? Tune in next week for the next gut wretching episode of ""The Yearning and Riderless"" with its ever increasing cast of characters. Where all technical problems will be flamed over until well done. Next week's episode will answer the question of: ""To Helmet or Not to Helmet"" will be aired, this is heady material and viewer discretion is advised. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video by Jonathan E. Quist DoD #94 [Scene: A sterile engineering office. A lone figure, whom we'll call Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat, with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.] (editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens referring to each other as ""Chuck"". I guess you had to be there. I wasn't.) Chuck: I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst, cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir, may-I-have-another-sir. My mother made me do it. I wanted to live a man's life, [Music slowly builds in background] riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes and the deepest valleys, living the life of a Motorcyclist; doing donuts and evading the police; terrorizing old ladies and raping small children; eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner). In short, I Want to be A Denizen! [Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with fringe), boots, and cap. Scene simultaneously changes to the top of an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass. A small throng of Hell's Angels sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines, showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil on the tarmac. Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat Boy.] Chuck [Sings to the tune of ""The Lumberjack Song""]: I'm a Denizen and I'm okay, I flame all night and I ride all day. [Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]: He's a Denizen and he's okay, He flames all night and he rides all day. I ride my bike; I eat my lunch; I go to the lavat'ry. On Wednesdays I ride Skyline, Running children down with glee. [Chorus]: He rides his bike; He eats his lunch; He goes to the lavat'ry. On Wednesdays he rides Skyline, Running children down with glee. [Chorus refrain]: 'Cause He's a Denizen... I ride real fast, My name is Chuck, It somehow seems to fit. I over-rate the worst bad f*ck, But like a real good sh*t. Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay! I flame all night and I ride all day. [Chorus refrain]: Oh, He's a Denizen... I wear high heels And bright pink shorts, full leathers and a bra. I wish I rode a Harley, just like my dear mama. [Chorus refrain] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why you have to be killed. Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one. Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: ""What does DoD stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?"" Naturally, a Denizen who had watched the movie ""Top Gun"" a few times too many rose to the occasion and replied: ""That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you."" And the rest is history. A variation on the ""security"" theme is to supply disinformation about what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where known) include: Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23) Doers of Donuts Dancers of Despair (DoD 9) Debasers of Daughters Dickweeds of Denver Driveway of Death Debauchers of Donuts Dumpers of Dirtbikes Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The rec.moto.photo archive First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made, and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive. Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages, the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting. Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how to use the archive. ********************************************************** Via ftp: cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21] Via e-mail: The address is server@cerritos.edu. The commands are given in the body of the message. The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line. The arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications. For rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file. For example, you can send: dir [dod] send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif send [dod]dodframe.ps and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII. Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to the next whole file) are send. A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of 50K each; not a good idea. -- Bruce Tanner (213) 860-2451 x 596 Tanner@Cerritos.EDU Cerritos College Norwalk, CA cerritos!tanner ********************************************************** A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful? Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind of you to access it after normal working hours (California time). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patches? What patches? You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches & pins. And your reaction was probably: ""I want!"", or ""That's sick!"", or perhaps ""That's sick! I want!"" Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't because of any ""exclusivity"" attempt, but simply because there is no ""DoD store"" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is someone says ""I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost $xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?"" Then orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all this is anarchy in action. Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99), motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts (DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by popular demand]. All ""profits"" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum, you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of ""Denizens of Doom, USENET, The World"", complete with a DoD pin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions. ~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles ~From: Arnie Skurow ~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum ~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum, the other day. ""Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom: Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the Denizens of Doom! With your recent donation, the total amount donated is now $5,500. On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude to all the membership of the Denizens. The club's new plaque is presently being prepared. Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer. By the way, I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque. Again, thank you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the museum, and the fulfillment of its goals. Sincerely, Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395 Director P.S. Please post on your computer bulletin board."" As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally, it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this amount possible. Arnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text of the rules governing the DoD. Rule #1. There are no rules. Rule #0. Go ride. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Other rec.motorcycles information resources. There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis, but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see the info on the photo archive above). A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams. Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5. The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser. Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number. The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List. Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST. This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly. Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT. Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at the keepers of the respective texts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Loki Jorgenson loki@Physics.McGill.CA) has provided an archive site for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his periodic announcement. ********************************************************** The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories) reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences. These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email server or by personal request: Anonymous FTP: ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13) under ~ftp/pub/DoD Email archive server: rm-reviews@ftp.physics.mcgill.ca Review submissions/questions: rm-reviews@physics.mcgill.ca NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission and using the Email archive server (ie. an ""ftp.""). To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line containing only ""send help"". NOTE: If your return address appears like domain!subdomain!host!username in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar) path username@host.subdomain.domain If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you already own(ed), PLEASE DO! There is a template of the format that the reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site . For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous FTP works, an example script is available on request. ********************************************************** Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking the latest info down here. Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K [news.groups] Approximate DoD Membership: 975 [KotL] DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle Heritage Museum. Over $5500 [Arnie] Organized (?) Rides: Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass trip due to the collapse of a tunnel. The East Coast Denizens got together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of North Carolina. The Pacific Northwest crew organized the first Great Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have come to know so well. [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.] Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up, riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal 2-strokes. And though it's not an ""official"" (as if anything could be official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters to gather. There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah. European Denizens have staged some gathers too. (Your ad here, reasonable rates!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g@bix.com FJ1200 Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46 -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g@bix.com FJ1200 Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46 " 6890,1,"From: ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) Subject: POV .TGA's and SpeedStar 24 Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 17 I finally got a 24 bit viewer for my POVRAY generated .TGA files. It was written in C by Sean Malloy and he kindly sent me a copy. He wrote it for the same purpose, to view .TGA files using his SpeedStar 24. It ONLY works with the SpeedStar 24 and I cannot send copies since it is not my program. I believe the author may release a version at a future time when the program is more developed. He may or may not comment on this, as he pleases. Thanks to all who were helpful. Regards, Jim Nobles " 6891,16,"From: Minh Lang Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.149.109.37 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXDate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 16:17:37 GMT In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> , franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes: > In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his > troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time > that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to > standards at least as moral as the military's. No, Lt Calley was later acquitted. His troops killed 400-500 people, including kids, elderly and women... I sure don't want to see the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to those ""military standards""... If they did, we're all in big trouble...(The My Lai massacre was covered up by high-ranking officials and ALL who were involved were ACQUITTED). == Minh == +------------------------------------------------------------+ Minh Lang, Software Engineer - Jet Propulsion Laboratory Instrumentation Systems Group - Instrumentation section 375 Note: My employer has nothing to do with what I said here... +------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6892,9,"From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) Subject: Re: Rockies spoon-feed game to Mets Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 18 In article <4200416@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: >Is it just me, or does Bichette look totally lost in the outfield? He's been playing horrible defense. Baylor said after Wednesday's game that he wanted to shake up the lineup a little, because Bichette has been having a rough time defensively and Jerald Clark has not been hitting. He was true to his word; I went to Thursday's game and Gerald Young was in right and Daryl Boston (who has a very hot bat) was in left. Baylor was careful to say though that he didn't necessarily mean for these changes to be permanent but he wanted to give these other two a shot while Clark and Bichette were not playing well. In defense of Bichette, it looks like right field in Mile High Stadium is a bitch to play. Some of the visiting outfielders have been having some problems too (although Bobby Bonilla made a great catch crashing into the wall to rob Daryl Boston of an extra base hit in Thursday's game) --Greg " 6893,7,"From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: US-Made M-B SUV Article-I.D.: dove.C52KE9.D6n Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Lines: 47 In article <93096.101507RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility >vehicles in the US by 1997. They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee >et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000. > >Did anyone see a picture? Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There is a picture in the May 1993 edition of European Car (although, it may not be on the shelf yet). Some things that the article says: - prototype has front wheel drive (first front drive for Mercedes since the beginning of WWII) - wheelbase 3.15m - 7 seater - they claim that the price will be about the same as a Renault Espace or Chrysler Voyager (DM 50,000) Looking at the picture (slightly disguised) it looks like the Ford Aerostar, to me. >available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new >vehicle? Any details would be appreciated. > >Dick Meyer >Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 6894,5,"From: brian@nostromo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Colaric Sun Dallas DSE) Subject: Help: OS2 Presentation Mgr port to X Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: Brian.Colaric@dallas.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: nostromo.central.sun.com I need to port several OS/2 PM applications to X (OpenWindows or Motif), and desperately need any information on how to go about doing this (short of a complete rewrite. Are there any tool to make porting easer? Any References? Any talent out there to hire to do this? I will even take an OS/2 Presentation Mgr emulator for sun! Any, and all replies (except flames) welcome! Brian Colaric Brian.Colaric@dallas.Central.Sun.COM " 6895,9,"Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Lines: 18 In article philly@bach.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: [Most of tirade deleted .. I have an editor and know how to use it] > >Okay we've been conservative and added about 18 wins so far. Now >we're adding about 4 more wins thanks to the expansion teams... >Okay, thats 22 wins. Lesse dipshit math genuious, 72 + 22 = 94 >Hmmm... I think thats good enough to win the worse division in >baseball? > >Next time, before you say something foolish, get a clue first! Either this is an example of *great* sarcasm or I'm really, really worried. -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence " 6896,12,"From: mycal@NetAcsys.com (Mycal) Subject: Need to find out number to a phone line Distribution: world Organization: ACSYS, Inc. Lines: 14 try comp.dcom - I was reading a thread a while back about an 800 number that you could dial. worked here. It was a sales line for sprint I think telling you that you could have all your customers numbers using there ANI, then it told you your number. Should work with any modern switch. mycal --------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key on request. mycal@netacsys.com \ // Mycal's way of skiing moguls: // \ turn, turn, turn, air, survive, survive, survive... No Risk, No Rush " 6897,3,"From: fas2981@ultb.isc.rit.edu (F.A. Shea) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr16.140234.13267@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.074836.6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes: >>I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >>DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >>the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >>5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >>interface between the controller and the memory. >> >>My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. > >Computer: 286-25 mhz >Bus: ISA (12.5 mhz) >Drive: Maxtor 7213A (213 mb) > >I'd still like to here from people with VLB-IDE. >I still want to know what VLB bus speed is used with IDE drives. >I still want to know if some (most ?) IDE drives can handle bus speeds > 8 mhz. I recently bought a Micron 486DX/33 VLB computer and the the local bus ide card was getting around 1k/s transfer rates (says norton). I caled micron because this seemed pathetically slow and they said that norton 6.xx doesn't recognize local bus and won't give accurate results. I was told I would need norton 7.0 in order to get a true account of my ide transfer speed. I didn't really like this answer in part because the drive doesn't seem as though it's cranking along at much more than that, but I also don't know if I could tell the difference. I tried playing around with settings in the CMOS (bus speed at the like) and noticed no significant change in performance. **B0100000027fed4 Frank Shea -- ""Learn of the skillful; | Frank Shea He that teaches himself, | fas2981@ultb.isc.rit.edu hath a fool for his master"" | Rochester Institute of Technology - Ben Franklin | " 6898,11,"From: Jim-Miller@suite.com Subject: Certifying Authority question answered. Organization: Suite Software Lines: 12 Reply-To: Jim-Miller@suite.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nimrod.suite.com >>If you have access to FTP, try FTPing to rsa.com, login as anonymous. >>There are several documents there, including a ""frequently asked questions >>about today's cryptography"" document. It has FAQ in its name. >>I believe this document explains the idea behind the certifying authorities. >> >>Good luck >> >>--John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu Thanks. I've ftp'ed the FAQ file and it is just what I was looking for. Jim-Miller@suite.com " 6899,10,"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr16.222846.17764@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with > another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time > of the players involved. It's just as meaningless to compare goals, assists, PIM and any other stat I can think of. Each player is asked to take a unique role for his team. The contexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the same team or different teams. And yet ... awards are given and promotions received based in part on these meaningless stats. The operative words are ""in part"" - stats must be interpreted, tempered with other information one has about the player. > To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd... And comparing Jagr's and Francis's points is just as ridiculous and absurd... but not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals, assists, points, +\- for Selanne, Lindros, Juneau, Potvin, and the other rookies in the league... and yet... How about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game. Ron " 6900,2,"From: pierson@phakt.usc.edu (Harry Pierson) Subject: Embedded TrueType Fonts Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu OK...I've heard rumors about this...I might have even seen it in a few places. And I'd like some info...Is it possible to embed fonts in a document (Like Write, Word, or Ami Pro?) so the file can be printed on another machine that doesn't have the font? If possible, how is it done? I'm sorry if this is a faq...I couldn't find a faq list...I would also apreciate knowing where that is...if a windows faq exsists. Thanks in advance -- =============================================================================== Harry Pierson | ""Come and be with me, Live my twisted dream The Audio Mercenary | Pro devoted pledge, Time for primal concrete sledge"" pierson@usc.edu | -Pantera " 6901,1,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr17.092051.19814@kth.se> d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes: >In tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes: > >>> I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >>> some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. >>> >>> Can you please offer some recommendations? > >I think APDA has something called MacWireFrame which is a full >wire-frame (and supposedly hidden-line removal) library. >I think it weighs in at $99 (but I've been wrong on an order >of magnitude before) > I spoke with the author of MacWireFrame earlier today. The cost is $299, but there are no license royalties. His name is Eric Johnson in Sacramento, CA phone 916/737-1550. He doesn't have email. Very nice guy... very knowledgeable about graphics. Seems like he may have a decent package. It's an Object Pascal Framework that supposedly has a fairly complete set of geometry creation classes. I'm going to check it out and see if it's got what I need for my CAD package. I also found another package: 3D Graphic Tools by Micro System Options in Seattle. The number is: 206/868-5418, also no email. The package is strong at ray tracing, I'm not too sure about its geometry creation tools. I also need to look into this package some more. I also spoke with the author, Mark Owens, another nice guy that seems to know his business. The price is $249, no royalties. BobC " 6902,12,"From: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) Subject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book Article-I.D.: toontown.627 Reply-To: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) Organization: NCR E&M Columbia, SC Lines: 17 In article canright@convex.com (Robert Canright) writes: |you might try |""Computer-Aided Circuit Analysis Using SPICE"" by Walter Banzhaf, |at bookstores, paperback, ~$33, lots of examples. Dr. Banzhaf |is a teacher. Is there another book. I have this one and don't find it helpfull in learning Spice. It would make a good reference book but I found it lacking for learning Spice. Are there any others? Craig -- ""You took the bull by the horns -Craig Williamson and stepped in something good."" Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM - Balki Bartokomas craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers " 6903,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes: >Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought > to be allowed to carry handguns. Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * " 6904,5,"From: agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 18 In article Ethan Solomita writes: > > Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager > place the window where the create window command tells it, > regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has > reason to know better) > > I don't want to set the override-redirect because I do > want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just > want the wm to accept my choice of location. window = XCreateWindow(...); XSetTransientForHint(display, window, window); XMapWindow(...); This is probably cheating, and some window managers might STILL refuse to give it a border and all that other stuff, but it usually works. " 6905,18,"From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr15.215912.1807@martha.utcc.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >In article goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>>his so called stimulus package. >>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>>immunizations for poor kids. >>> >>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. >> >> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health >> care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give >> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services >> delivered to their doorsteps. > > I've read about more than a few of these programs that ran into >problems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even >when they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don't know, maybe >that sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side- >effects, and bad reactions scares them.) The immunization program is just a ""useful first step"". Among other things, the money will go to pay for creating and maintaning a a computerized ""innoculation"" database on all U.S. children. (code-named Big Mother... Just kidding, the name will be Children Defense Database, or something like that.) Once the money is spent and little or no tangible results achieved, the goverment will have to start knocking down doors, in some neigborhoods, and bribe parents in others (probably the ones that are paying kids for attending the school - what a fantastic idea!) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group >PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day >your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't >love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 6906,16,"From: tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Nntp-Posting-Host: seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: >>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do >>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it >>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? > >This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical >coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future >national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured >must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, >you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. >In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, >you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do >so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within >24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need >your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly >wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry >the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. > > Frank Crary > CU Boulder > Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve. Tom the non hacker tsmith@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu The return address is set wrong, send personal response to the above address. " 6907,12,"From: Mike Diack Subject: Anyone got 200+ Schadow switches with LED? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Thu, 22 Apr 93 15:28:05 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-95.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 3 Name your price, cap colours & quantity available. cheers Mike " 6908,7,"From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) Subject: Quick question Keywords: Removing panels. Organization: CDAC, WA Lines: 9 How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want to access its pins. I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit. -S ssave@ole.cdac.com " 6909,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 49 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. >SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) The above does not tell the proper story of SCSI: SCSI-I: 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}, synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer base. SCSI-1{faster} this requires a SCSI-2 controller chip and provides SCSI-2 {8-bit to 16-bit} speeds with SCSI-1 controlers. SCSI-2: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst{8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst{32-bit/wide and fast}. 16-bit SCSI can be wide or fast, it depends on how the port is designed{The Quadras will support fast SCSI but not wide when the OS SCSI manager is rewritten since the Quardas use a SCSI-1 {non-wide} port}. The article in PC Mag 4/27/93:29 was talking about SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 uses TEN (10) devices in it native mode, outside its native mode it behaves a lot like SCSI-1 (7 devices, slower through put} From your own figures SCSI-1 is indeed twice ESDI as the article pointed out as for ""20% faster then IDE"" that seems to be 8-bit SCSI-1 using a SCSI-2 contoler chip {The Mac Quadra uses a SCSI-2 controler chip for its SCSI-1 and gets 6MB/s through put for asynchronous {8-bit} SCSI-1, far in excess of a normal SYNCHRONOUS SCSI-1 output} 120% of 8.3 is 9.96 which is near the burst of a SCSI-1 machine with a SCSI-2 controller chip. The PC world seems to have SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 mixed up. Fact is SCSI-2 controler chips allow near SCSI-2 speeds through a SCSI-1 device {As shown in the Mac Quadra} which skews some of the data of SCSI-1 vs IDE or ESDI test. I agree that the article COULD have stated that the ""20% faster then IDE"" came off a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 chip. Maybe it was there and the EDITOR killed it because the article was dealing with SCSI-1 NOT SCSI-2 and he did not understand the effect of a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 controller chip. SCSI-1 chips are limited to 5/MB max. SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips {becoming common} produce up to 10Mb/s in 8-bit mode and 20MB/s in 16-bit mode {the fast version, SCSI-1 ports cannot use wide SCSI}. Of cource the prime piece of wierdness is that SCSI-1 devices HAVE SCSI-2 chips {or more accurately the machine does}. This allows the best of BOTH worlds: high SCSI-2 speeds and cheeper SCSI-1 costs {FULL SCSI-2 hardware (port, electronic controller, etc) is VERY expensive. It ALSO creates a logistic NIGHTMARE as to how fast SCSI-1 goes. When one knows the FACTS behind the numbers then one realizes that the article knows what it is talking about {even if it does not tell HOW the figures came about} while DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu is throwing out ranges that don't tell SQUAT {Since he IGNORES SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips his ranges tell even LESS then intended.} } " 6910,8,"From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: A Miracle in California Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 25 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 602CV3dTx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes: > >Now maybe this isn't a big deal to some of you, but it is to me. I was raised >in the South, and part of my cultural heritage is waving at passersby. I >waved from the side of the road at passing cars, when I drove I waved or >nodded or at least raised an index finger from the steering wheel. People >waved at me as I drove by. I was raised in the South, and I can attest that this is true. Why, on one particularly hot day, as I was walking along the road, some good ole boys in a truck tossed me a cold beer! Of course, they were going 50 mph at the time... >P.S. To prove this wasn't a fluke, it happened to me again when I was out >riding on Wednesday: an unsolicited wave. Wow... Bikers wave to bikers the world over. Whether or not Harley riders wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars... --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 6911,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Donating organs Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 24 In article <1993Mar25.161109.13101@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) writes: >Dr. Banks, > I don't know if you make a point of keeping up with liver transplant >research but you're certainly in the right place for these questions. Has >there been anything recent in ""Transplant Proceedings"" or somesuch, on >xenografts? How about liver section transplants from living donors? > I'm sure the Pittsburgh group has published the baboon work, but I don't know where. In Chicago they were doing lobe transplants from living donors, and I'm sure they've published. I don't read the transplant literature. I just see the liver transplant patients when they get into neurologic trouble (pretty frequent), so that and the newspapers and scuttlebutt is the way I keep up with what they are doing. Howard Doyle works with them, and can tell you more. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6912,13,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Disclaimer: I'm a sufferer, not a doctor.) I'm not sure there's a really sharp distinction between allergic and vasomotor rhinitis. Basically, vasomotor rhinitis means your nose is stuffy when it has no reason to be (not even an identifiable allergy). Decongestants and steroid sprays work for vasomotor rhinitis. Also, I can get surprising relief from purely superficial measures such as saline moisturizing spray and moisturizing gel. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 6913,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: They were completely and systematically exterminated by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 96 In article jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >Do it. Depew has shown himself to be unrepentant (though embarrassed) and >still possessed of the same fucked-up hubris-laden self-righteousness that The theory is that the hollering kills the spirit of the criminal/Nazi Armenians of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle. Now, try dealing with the rest of what I wrote. What is more, the activities of the Armenian Government seem to have been efforts aimed at eradicating a race (the Turks) or aimed at carrying out a one-sided feud, instead of being a struggle for liberation. From the outset, the efforts of the Armenian revolutionaries within the Ottoman borders took the form of terrorist and destructive actions aimed at mass murder, cruelty and genocide, so that no other interpretation of them is possible. Armenian activities started during the reign of Abdulhamid II as individual acts of terror, and then developed into assassinations and surprise attacks. The element of brute force in these activities increased steadily, culminating in mass rebellions and widespread fighting during the First World War. Furthermore, when the Ottoman army withdrew from Eastern Anatolia after the 1915 Sarikamis defeat, Armenian revolutionaries initiated a series of cruelties in this area. Although the Russians occupied Eastern Anatolia as an enemy, nevertheless they were constrained by the rules of war. However, when they returned to their country in 1917 after the Revolution, Armenian revolutionaries were unchecked in this area for about a year until the Ottoman forces returned to Erzurum in 1918. During this period, Armenian revolutionaries executed massacres on the local people which is recorded in historical documents.[1] For example, let us look at a report dated 21 March 1918 which the Commander of the Third Army submitted when he entered Erzurum and Erzincan: ""They were completely and systematically destroyed and burned down by Armenians, even the trees were cut down, and they are like a building entirely consumed by fire in every sense of the word."" As for the people who had been living in Erzurum and Erzincan: ""Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to. Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages left behind after their occupation of this area.""[2] Foreign observers who witnessed the events, including Russian Officers who did not desert their lines, submitted detailed reports proving the genocide to Ottoman commanders who received them as prisoners of war. What is most important is that they stated in their reports 'the massacres did not happen by chance but were planned.'[3] At the end of the war, the German author Dr. Weiss, his Austrian colleague Dr. Stein and his Turkish colleague Mr. Ahmet Vefik visited Trabzon, Kars, Erzurum and Batum between April 17th and May 20th 1918 to record the cruelties. Their writings not only show the scope of Armenian activities, but also reveal their goal and true nature.[4] [1] (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1918). The French version: ""Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens sur la Population Musulmane,"" (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K. Turkozu, ed., ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., ""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974) and, edited by the same author, ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...,"" Vol. 32, 83 (December 1983), document numbered 1881. [2] ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,"" Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document numbered 1869. [3] From Twerdo-Khlebof's report dated 29 April 1918; quoted in Ermeniler ..., Vol. 2, p. 275. [4] A. R. (Altinay), ""Iki Komite - Iki Kital,"" (Istanbul, 1919), and, ""Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler"" (Istanbul, 1919). Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6914,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Your typical phone company involved in your typical daydream Distribution: na In-Reply-To: brad@clarinet.com's message of 17 Apr 93 06:13:26 GMT <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule today. But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain cellular calls and then ask a judge, ""Hey, can we have permission to listen to those tapes?"" can they? How long do you think it will be before it becomes legal for the police to record encrypted conversations ""It's not violating your privacy because we can't read the encryption without a warrant"", with the usual good-faith exception if they accidentally record a non-encrypted conversation. Besides, it's covered by the Drug Exception to the Fourth Amendment... -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 6915,11,"From: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si Subject: Re: Cryptology in the world Reply-To: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si Organization: J. Stefan Institute, Lj, Slovenia Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr21.031524.11080@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) writes: > What is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the > world? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their > policies on citizens encrypting electronic data? > > I'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance. > -- Good question. I also wanted to find out and I did a while ago. In our former communist times such activity (i.e. sending crypto emails) would be prevented sooner ot later, law or no law. But now there is no law against it. So we are free to use it. We now have an EC conformant law for protection and registration of personal files. You must remember that the situation in small countries is vastly different from the big ones. -- Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic J. Stefan Institute | Internet:Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199 SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request DOLGO SMOIS KALIS OVRAZ NIKEI NJIHK OCNOO DKRIL IVSEB IPIKA " 6916,8,"From: bloom@inland.com Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.001813.3907@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes: > Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! > > > The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent. I'm > fairly sure it was there before the event. In fact, the thread in > the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something > having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously. > > Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you > rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without > damaging the thread in the hole ? You can't knock a threaded stud out from its hole without destroying the threads. Also part of the stud would still be in the hole. Therefore the stud was *not* in the hole before you touched something down on that side of the bike. ....Dr. Doom " 6917,9,"From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu In article <1qmrciINNoin@gap.caltech.edu> shippert@cco.caltech.edu (Tim Shippert) writes: [about the infield fly rule] >So, if he's feeling lucky, your runner at second can sprint for glory >as soon as the ball is popped up. If it isn't caught, he's probably scored >a run. If it is, he's probably headed for AAA. > Unless he's Deion Sanders, in which case he just heads back to the dugout and waits for his next base-running-blunder opportunity. -- @econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke. s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u " 6918,1,"From: eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au Subject: Color palette for 256 color VGA rainbow Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA Lines: 11 Does anybody out there have or know how to calculate the RGB values required to set the 256 color VGA palette so that the colors from 0..255 will give 256 colors of the rainbow ie red, orange, yellow, etc. Any help would be appreciated. Please email to eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au Erik de Castro Lopo, Dept. Electrical & Computer Eng., Uni. of Newcastle, Australia. " 6919,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Freedom In U.S.A. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 11 I have just started reading the articles in this news group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his server who keeps a file on him in hope that ""Appropriate action might be taken"". I don't know where you guys are from but in America such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic repressive ideals back to where you came from. " 6920,19,"From: elw@mayo.edu Subject: Re: [lds] Gordon's question on the Nicene Creed Reply-To: elw@jaguar.sky2 Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus Lines: 11 The Nicene Creed WE BELIEVE in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day rose again according to the Scriptur es, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end. And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. " 6921,3,"From: hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 Future Plans Organization: Uni Koblenz, Germany. Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: ozzy.uni-koblenz.de In article <1993Apr13.000531.25096@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes: >In article <1q0n5pINN60m@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen) writes: > >>To sum up, when an accelerated board with 4MB VRAM (True Colour 1280x1024) >>AND A FAST VGA SIDE is available under $500, I will buy one. > >Me too! > >What's funny is, when we really CAN buy such a product, it probably won't >seem as mouth-watering as it does today. ""What? No holograms? Get outta >here!"" I can wait 'cos I've already got an accelerated card. It does 1280x1024 but only 16 colour. You may mock me, but such cards will be here quickly enough. >One of the odd things about the computer industry is that, since you can >always wait and get something better, some people wait forever. I know >people who have deferred updating their original IBM PC for a decade, >because every time they look at what's available, they see something better >coming down the road. I know people who've dumped their PCs into the >garage, but haven't replaced them, because they're afraid it isn't ""the >right time to buy."" They just gave up using computers. I only wait when the difference between my current system and the new stuff is big enough to warrant changing. For instance, I'll be upgrading my 486 33 to a 486DX-2 66 EISA, VLB board RSN. The performance difference (under Linux) is great enough to be worthwhile. At the same time I'll be buying a new graphic card and new SCSI controller. I'll be buying an S3 card 'cos they're fast enough, I have X11 drivers for them and it'll have 2MB VRAM just like a Weitek 9000 card. It will also be MUCH cheaper. When affordable 4MB cards arrive, I'll buy one. >Personally, my system at home needs a new disk subsystem, a much >larger monitor, a super-fast graphics board by you-know-who, a new >CPU board -- I probably won't keep much more than the case and the >mouse. Come to think of it, I don't like that mouse very much. So >when will I buy? When my dream products hit the market? NO WAY! I'm >gonna buy as soon as I have the MONEY! Over the last year I've done much the same. But now I need a 19"" monitor, more memory (20MB just ain't enough), a GB disk (1.2GB and no space left...). Oh well, stay single, don't smoke and you may afford it this year ;-) -- Wayne Hodgen | hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de | Opinions (c) Me 1991 | Intel SX Uni Koblenz, | (..!unido!infko!hodgen) | Keeper of the Scrolls, | Just Rheinau 3-4, | Voice: +49 261 9119-645 | Defender of the Net, | say 5400 Koblenz. | Fax: +49 261 9119-499 | His name is ""root"". | NO!!! " 6922,4,"From: mueck@.adsdesign.analog.com (Mick Mueck) Subject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610??? Reply-To: mueck@.adsdesign.analog.com Organization: Analog Devices, Inc. Lines: 14 I had the same question for my 55lb NEC 5FG monitor. The Apple guy said that their 50lb 16"" monitor is OK to put ontop of the Centris and had no coment beyond that. I was going to just put the NEC on the box but then I got to thinking - the monitor has a small tilt/swivel base so maybe the weight would be more concentrated than with Apple's (I don't know the area of the base of their tilt/swivel). Additionally, the CDROM drive is in the middle. So I cut a piece of 3/8"" thick wood to about 16.25"" x 12"", covered it in a cream covered cloth, and used it as a buffer layer between the Centris's top and the monitor!! Mick Mueck mick.mueck@analog.com **************** I HATE *CHIPSOFT'S* MacINTAX ******************* " 6923,17,"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu What are you, retarded? --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo " 6924,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: RE: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 68 hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: >I just thought that I would make it clear, in case you are not familiar with >my past postings on this subject; I do not condone attacks on civilians. >Hezbollah and other Lebanese Resistance fighters are skilled at precision >bombing of SLA and Israeli targets. I find such methods to be far more >restrained and responsible than the Israeli method of shelling and bombing >villages with the hope that a Hezbollah member will be killed along with >the civilians murdered. I do not consider the killing of combatants to be >murder. Soldiers are trained to die for their country. Three IDF soldiers >did their duty the other day. These men need not have died if their government >had kept them on Israeli soil. Is there any Israeli a civilian, in your opinion ? Now, I do not condone myself bombing villages, any kind of villages. But you claim these are villages with civilians, and Iraelis claim they are camps filled with terrorists. You claim that israelis shell the villages with the 'hope' of finding a terrorist or so. If they kill one, fine, if not, too bad, civilians die, right ? I am not so sure. As somebody wrote, Saddam Hussein had no problems using civilians in disgusting manner. And he also claimed 'civilians murdered'. Let me ask you, isn't there at least a slight chance that you (not only, and the question is very general, no insult) are doing a similar type of propaganda in respect to civilians in southern Lebanon ? Now, a lot people who post here consider 'Israeli soil' kind of Mediteranean sea. How do you define Israeli soil ? From what you say, if you do not clearly recognize the state of Israel, you condone killing israelis anywhere. >Dorin, are you aware that the IDF sent helicopters and gun-boats up the >coast of Lebanon the other day and rocketted a Palestinian refugee north of >Beirut. Perhaps I should ask YOU ""what qualifies a person for murder?"": I do not know what was the pupose of the action you describe. If it was to kill civilians (I doubt), I certainly DO NOT CONDONE IT. If civilians were killed, i do not condone it. >That they are Palestinian? >That they are children and may grow up to be ""terrorists""? >That they are female and may give birth to little terrorists? >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) Mr. Hernlem, it was YOU, not ME, who was showing a huge satisfaction for 3 israelis (human beings by most standards, Don't know about your standards) killed. If you ask me those questions, I will have no problem answering (not with a question, as you did) : No, NOBODY is qualified candidate for murder, nothing justifies murder. I have the feeling that you may be able yourself to make similar statements, maybe after eliminating all Israelis, jews, ? Am I wrong ? Now tell me, did you also condone Saddam's scuds on israeli 'soldiers' in, let's say, Tel Aviv ? From what I understand, a lot of palestineans cheered. What does it show? It does not qualify for freedom fighting to me ? But again, I may be wrong, and the jewish controlled media distorted the information, and I am just an ignorant victim of the media, like most of us. Dorin " 6925,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <1993Apr19.143939.28983@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul) writes: >|> However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught >|> to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish >|> and American typing, or what??? >In germany you usually use the left hand for the 'b' Same in Sweden (the ergonomic keyboard is great, BUT! the palm rests do NOT fix to the keyboard; they just sort of rests against the table. Too bad when you have the keyboard in your knee... Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- ""You NEVER hide the menu bar. You might go about and change the color of it to the color of the BACKGROUND, but you never HIDE the menu bar."" -- Tog " 6926,12,"From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith) Subject: Re: Conductive Plastic, what happened? Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT Lines: 7 If you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe contauiners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with a resistance less than 10 to the fouthrth power ohms per cubic measure is classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02 ($0.016 US). Bob. " 6927,14,"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: First Spacewalk Distribution: sci Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 13 In article Subject: Re: <1q0fngINNahu@gap.caltech.edu> <1qabe7INNaff@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Apr15.150938.975@news.wesleyan.edu> Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr15.150938.975@news.wesleyan.edu>, SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET) says: >Are these his final words? (And how many here would find that >appropriate?) Or is it just that finals got in the way? >Keep your fingers crossed! Why should I keep my fingers crossed? I doubt it would do anything. :) Martin Schulte " 6931,2,"Subject: Help with changing Startup logo From: C..Doelle@p26.f3333.n106.z1.fidonet.org (C. Doelle) Lines: 23 Hello Brad! Monday April 26 1993 17:24, Brad Smalling wrote to (crosspost 1) All: BS> For a VGA card these are the correct files but you can't just copy them BS> back and expect it to work. You have to create a new WIN.COM file. Try BS> the command (you will have to worry about what directories each file is in BS> since I don't know your setup): BS> COPY /B WIN.CNF+VGALOGO.LGO+VGALOGO.RLE WIN.COM BS> (I grabbed this from _Supercharging Windows_ by Judd Robbins--great book) BS> This is also how you can put your own logo into the Windows startup BS> screen. An RLE file is just a specially compressed BMP file. Brad, What is the procedure used to 'specially' compress the BMP file? I would love to use some of my BMP files I have created as a logo screen. Thanks Chris * Origin: chris.doelle.@f3333.n106.z1.fidonet.org (1:106/3333.26) " 6932,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Potvin's new goalie mask Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 38 Stephen Legge (SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca) writes: >I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had >a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL >goalies. They talked about how they are made, what they are made of, >and the designs that are put on them, etc. Actually, this part was really interesting. It turns out that the mask is custom-fit to the goalie's face. The goalie puts his/her face through a piece of wood (or was it plastic?) with a hole in it that allows only the face and forehead to show. Hair is covered by a cap, eyes are covered by a plastic wrap-type material, and vaseline is put on the goaltender's face. Then, a plaster is spread on their cheeks, forehead, and chin which takes about 12 minutes to dry sufficiently. When it dries, it is effectively a mold of the goalie's face. This is used as the basis of the mask (the rest involves padding the inside, hardening the exterior, fitting the cage, etc. etc. John Blue of the Bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show. >He exhibited a couple masks he is currently working on, namely, a >new mask for Andy Moog which is a basic re-working of his current >mask with the bear on it, and new mask for Bob Essensa which was >*really* cool -- the Jets logo was on the chin, and there were two >fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air-brushed >back-ground. Yeah, Essensa's mask looked really good. >The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up. >It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking >black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix >Potvin, but he never said whose it was. Actually, I thought I heard him say that it _was_ Potvin's for certain. I would bet money on it either way...and it did look awesome! dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 6933,11,"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: Hard drive security Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com Keywords: cooperation In article antonh@rpi.edu writes: >say, can anyone send my info on how to encrpyt a hard disk [...] >ps. I would also like know the consequences of those types of actions if i >so chose to do them in the future in this country and european countries. People have been encrypting notes in their notebooks for hundreds of years -- maybe over a thousand. It's a long tradition dating at least back to the alchemists. I know of nothing bad happening to them. I would assume that nothing bad would happen to you, given this long history establishing encryption as the property of individuals, to do with as they please. -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 " 6934,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: < writes: >>I think you should support your first claim, that people will simply >>harass me no matter what, as I doubt this is true. I think *some* of the >>theists will be at a loss, and that is enough reason for me. >Because ""IN GOD WE TRUST"" is a motto on the coins, and the coins >are a representation of the government, christians are given >ammunition here to slander atheists as unpatriotic. So, we should ban the ammunition? Why not get rid of the guns? >And yes, I have heard this used in conversation with christians. >Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they >should not have available to use. It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too? God Bless America? The list goes on... >Imagine if the next year's set of coins were labeled with >the motto: ""GOD IS DEAD"". >Certainly, such a statement on U.S. coins would offend almost >every christian. And I'd be tempted to rub that motto in the >face of christians when debunking their standard motto slinging >gets boring. Then you'd be no better than the people you despise. >Any statement printed on an item that represents >the government is an endorsement by the government. Oh? >The coin motto is an endorsement of trusting in god. An endorsement, or an acknowledgement? I think gods are things that people are proud of, but I don't think the motto encourages belief. >I don't particularly feel like trusting in god, >so the government IS putting me down with every >coin it prints. Is it? [...] >For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read: > ""In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"" Would you approve of such a motto? >Whether the motto was intended to be anti-atheist or not, >it turns up as an open invitation to use as an anti-atheist tool. And removing the tool will solve the problem? Or will it increase the problem? keith " 6935,4,"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an > example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special ""Mac-compatible"" > firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable ""blind writes"" This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager. Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra. On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the handshake is entirely handled by the chip. --Tim Smith " 6936,15,"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: christians and aids Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 49 In article marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: >In article kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes: >>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome >>by desire. We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin). Last >>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff, >>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs. To even >>suggest that AIDS is ""deserved"" is ludicrous. > >When man was told not to have sex with relatives, did they listen ? >NO! And man found out why ! So what's your point? Mark's comment still is valid. To suggest that AIDS is ""deserved"" IS ludicrous. I sin. I can resolve to abstain from sin, and do weekly (more often, actually). Yet I routinely fail. I surely do deserve what I get, yet God compassionately provided the Incarnate Logos, Jesus, as a rememdy and a way out of our situation. If AIDS is deserved, I surely deserve instant death just as much, as do we all, as St. Paul so cogently remids us. To willingly judge ""others"" as deserving punishment seems to me to be the height of arrogance and lack of humility. >I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn't get >involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who >received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes >to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few. So what's the point here? I can get AIDS and NEVER engage in ""deviant"" sexual behavior. In fact, I could engage in LOTS of deviant sexual behavior with HIV+ people and never be infected. AIDS is a consequence of particular behaviors, many of which are not sexual. And not all sexual behaviors carry the risk of transmission. >In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things. >There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ? >I don't know. The end of all things is to know, love and serve God, growing daily closer through prayer, meditation and discipline. Even so I could get AIDS. Anyone could, unless they remain forever celibate, IV-drug-free, and transfusion free. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com " 6937,15,"From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page) Subject: Re: Reason vs. Revelation Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 130 In article trajan (Stephen McIntyre) writes: >In article writes: > >> I can only reply with what it says in 1 Timothy 3:16 : >I'm not here to discount parts of the Bible. Rather, I'm > here only to discount the notion of ""revelation."" > The author of 1 Timothy told what he thought was the > truth, based on his belief in God, his faith in Jesus > as the resurrected Son, and his readings of the Old > Testament. But again, what had been revealed to him > was based on (at best) second-hand information, given > by friends and authors who may not have given the > whole truth or who may have exaggerated a bit. First of all, the original poster misquoted. The reference is from 2 Tim 3:16. The author was Paul, and his revelations were anything but ""(at best) second-hand"". ""And is came about that as [Saul] journeyed, he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; and he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ""Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"" And he said, ""Who art Thou, Lord?"" And He said, ""I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, . . ."" (Acts 9:3-5, NAS) Paul received revelation directly from the risen Jesus! (Pretty cool, eh?) He became closely involved with the early church, the leaders of which were followers of Jesus throughout his ministry on earth. >Now, you may say, ""The Holy Spirit revealed these things > unto him,"" and we could go into that argument, but > you'd be hard-pressed to convince me that the Holy > Spirit exists. I agree. I don't believe anyone but the Spirit would be able to convince you the Spirit exists. Please don't complain about this being circular. I know it is, but really, can anything of the natural world explain the supernatural? (This is why revelation is necessary to the authors of the Bible.) > Additionally, what he has written is > again second-hand info if it were given by the Spirit, > and still carries the chance it is not true. The Spirit is part of God. How much closer to the source can you get? The Greek in 2 Timothy which is sometimes translated as ""inspired by God"", literally means ""God-breathed"". In other words, God spoke the actual words into the scriptures. Many theologians and Bible scholars (Dr. James Boice is one that I can remember off-hand) get quite annoyed by the dryness and incompleteness of ""inspired by God"". >The only way you would be able to escape this notion of > ""second-hand"" info is to have had the entire Bible > written by God himself. And to tell the truth, I've > studied the Bible extensively, and have yet to > hear of scholars who have put forth objective evidence > showing God as the first author of this collection of > books. That's what the verse taken from 2 Timothy was all about. The continuity of a book written over a span of 1500 years by more than 40 authors from all walks of life is a testimony to the single authorship of God. >> And as for reason, read what it says in 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 about >> human wisdom. Basically it says that human wisdom is useless when >> compared with what God has written for our learning. >If you knew of Jesus as well as you know the Bible, you'd > realize he reasoned out the law and the prophets for > the common man. What source to you claim to have discovered which has information of superior historicity to the Bible? Certainly not Josephus' writings, or the writings of the Gnostics which were third century, at the earliest. > And though some claim Jesus was > he was human, with all of the human wisdom the > apostle Paul set out to criticize. Yet, would you not > embrace the idea that Jesus was wise? Jesus was fully God as well. That's why I'd assert that he is wise. >> I realise that you may not accept the authority of the Bible. This is >> unfortunate to say the least, because there is no other way of learning >> about God and Christ and God's purpose with the earth than reading the >> Bible and searching out its truth for yourself. > >For your information, I was raised without any knowledge of > God. By the time some of the faithful came to show me > the Word and share with me its truth, I was living > happily and morally without acknowledging the existence > of a supreme being. I have, though, read the Bible > several times over in its entirety and have studied it > thoroughly. It contains truth in it, and I consider > Jesus to be one of the most moral of human beings to > have lived (in fact, I darn-near idolize the guy.) But > there's no rational reason for me to except God's > existence. Please rethink this last paragraph. If there is no God, which seems to be your current belief, then Jesus was either a liar or a complete nut because not only did he assert that God exists, but he claimed to be God himself! (regards to C.S. Lewis) How then could you have the least bit of respect for Jesus? In conclusion, be careful about logically unfounded hypotheses based on gut feelings about the text and other scholars' unsubstantiated claims. The Bible pleads that we take it in its entirety or throw the whole book out. About your reading of the Bible, not only does the Spirit inspire the writers, but he guides the reader as well. We cannot understand it in the least without the Spirit's guidance: ""For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."" (1 Cor 2:10, NAS) Peace and may God guide us in wisdom. +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= Carter C. Page | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom, A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that, cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down, | we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=+-=-+-=+-=-+=-+-=-+-=-+=-+-= [Other theologians get quite annoyed at the misleadingess of ""God-breathed."" It's true that the Greek word has as its roots ""God"" and ""breath"". However etymology doesn't necessarily tell you what a word means. Otherwise, ""goodbye"" would be a religious expression (since it comes from ""God be with ye""). You have to look at how the word was actually used. In this case the word is used for wisdom or dreams that come from God. But ""God-breathed"" is an overtranslation. --clh] " 6938,13,"From: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Mass General Hospital CIPR Lines: 35 In article meltsner@crd.ge.com writes: > > >I wouldn't call it a double-blind, but one local restaurant's soup >provokes an impressive migraine headache for my wife -- that one >take-out and no other... Nothing unisual. Quote: "" Chinese Restaurant Syndrome (CRS): a transient syndrome, associated with arterial dilatation, due to ingestion of monosodium glutamate, which is used liberally in seasoning chinese food; it is characterized by throbbing of the head, lightheadedness, tightness of the jaw, neck and shoulders, and bachache. "" End quote. Source: Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary, 27th edition, 1988, W.B. Saunders, p 1632. This was known long ago. Brain produces and uses some MSG naturally, but not in doses it is served at some chinese places. Having said that, i might add, that in MHO, MSG does not enhance flavor enoughf for me to miss it. When I go to chinese places, I order food without MSG. Goos places will do it for you. A prerequisite for such a service would be a waiter, capable of understanding, what you want. Good Luck. am -- Alexander M. Milshteyn M.D. CIPR, MGH in Boston, MA. (617)724-9507 Vox (617)726-7830 Fax " 6939,1,"From: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (weston t) Subject: graphical representation of vector-valued functions Organization: SDSU Computing Services Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu gnuplot, etc. make it easy to plot real valued functions of 2 variables but I want to plot functions whose values are 2-vectors. I have been doing this by plotting arrays of arrows (complete with arrowheads) but before going further, I thought I would ask whether someone has already done the work. Any pointers?? thanx in advance Tom Weston | USENET: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Department of Philosophy | (619) 594-6218 (office) San Diego State Univ. | (619) 575-7477 (home) San Diego, CA 92182-0303 | " 6940,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 15 Apr 93 God's Promise in John 1:12 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12 " 6941,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 45 In <1pq7rj$q2u@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >| >|I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately >|current spending rules don't permit it to be workable. For this to >|work it would be necessary for the government to guarantee a certain >|minimum amount of business in order to sufficiently reduce the risk >|enough to make this attractive to a private firm. Since they >|generally can't allocate money except one year at a time, the >|government can't provide such a tenant guarantee. >Fred. > Try reading a bit. THe government does lots of multi year >contracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses. They just like to be >damn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year >contract. THe reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much >as they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough >Multi year contracts, that it's now cheaper to just finish them out. I don't have to ""try reading a bit"", Pat. I *work* as a government contractor and know what the rules are like. Yes, they sign some (damned few -- which is why everyone is always having to go to Washington to see about next week's funding) multi-year contracts; they also aren't willing to include sufficient cancellation penalties when they *do* decide to cut the multi-year contract and not pay on it (which can happen arbitrarily at any time, no matter what previous plans were) to make the risk acceptable of something like putting up a private space station with the government as the expected prime occupant. I'd like a source for that statement about ""the reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much as they would like""; I just don't buy it. The other thing I find a bit 'funny' about your posting, Pat, is that several other people answered the question pretty much the same way I did; mine is the one you comment (and incorrectly, I think) on. I think that says a lot. You and Tommy should move in together. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 6942,8,"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 24 In ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes: >>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has, >>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up >>to me in some parking lot and sez ""hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox >>frame on there?"" I can say something besides ""duh, er, huh?"" I beleive it's called the ""Dentabox"" frame. Nothing some putty and paint won't fix. __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous --Squidonk-- " 6943,12,From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Radar Detector DETECTORS? Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.131941.134 Lines: 3 They detect the oscillator operating in the detector. Saw a story about their use in Canada. Now don't go putting oscillators in your cars... :-) 6944,8,"From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Organization: QueerNet Lines: 10 Interesting. I'd fight the ticket. First off, there's a 50/50 chance the cop won't show up. Secondly, if he does show up, you should point out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket. Why 70+? I beleive that if yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a more severe ticket. You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?! -- | max@queernet.org | Max J. Rochlin | {uunet,sgi}!unpc!max | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Protect me from what I want... | " 6945,2,"Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world Organization: University of Wyoming Nntp-Posting-Host: sheriff.uwyo.edu Lines: 13 >Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace >for DOS at the same time. >ie Can I access a file on another PC while being logged on to the >mainframe at the same time, simultaneously. Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui. I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well. " 6946,1,"From: rowlands@pocomoco.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jon Rowlands) Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen Nntp-Posting-Host: pocomoco.hc.ti.com Reply-To: rowlands@hc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands) Organization: Texas Instruments, SPDC, DSP Technology Branch, Dallas Lines: 51 In article <1pp991$t63@cc.tut.fi>, jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.040819.14943@kpc.com> hollasch@kpc.com (Steve >Hollasch) writes: >> >> I think you're proposal would work to get an extra one, maybe two extra >>bits of color resolution. However, if you had a display that chould do only >>zero or full intensity for each primary, I don't think you'd get great >>equivalent 24-bit photographs. > >I have not suggested to do so; I wrote about problems, and the problem >were clearly visible with 7 bit b&w images; not to mention 24 bit images. [ description of experiment deleted ] >If the 1 bit images are viewed quickly and in sync with screen, >then 100 intensities could be better than we have -- I dunno. [ more deleted ] >In any case, getting black color with slow machines is problem. >I could try it on our 8 bit screens but I don't know how to >render pixels with X in constant time. I recall our double buffer >has other image color and one b&w -- that doesn't help either. >Maybe I should dump photos to screen with low level code; how? A few years ago a friend and I took some 256 grey-level photos from a 1 bit Mac Plus screen using this method. Displaying all 256 levels synchronized to the 60Hz display took about 10 seconds. After experimenting with different aperture settings and screen brightnesses we found a range that worked well, giving respectable contrast. The quality of the images was pretty good. There were no visible contrast bands. To minimize the exposure time the display program built 255 different 1 bit frames. The first contained a dot only for pixels that had value 255, the second only for pixels that had value 254, etc. These frames were stored using a sparse data structure that was very fast to 'or' onto the screen in sequence. Creating these frames sometimes took 5-10 minutes on that old Mac, but the camera shutter was closed during that time anyway. And yes, we wrote directly to the screen memory. Mea culpa. Our biggest problem was that small images were displayed in the top left corner of the screen instead of the center. It took an extra week to have the film developed and printed, because the processors took the trouble to manually move the all images into the center of the print. Who'd have guessed? regards, Jon Rowlands " 6947,7,"From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) Subject: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? Organization: IntraNet, Inc. Lines: 10 In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price. The Toyota dealer told me it's a ""cult car"". If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there must be something really extraordinary about it. So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me. -- Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020 " 6948,12,From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates Organization: Boeing Lines: 6 Where can you get info (brochures...) on Differential GPS Systems and where to buy them? BobC 6949,10,"From: cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz {x66442 CF/ENG}) Subject: NHL team in Milwaukee Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: radioman.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. After reading some of the reports of possible NHL moves to Milwaukee or that Milwaukee should have an NHL team, I thought I'd pass along a story I heard recently. This is second hand, so I don't know how true it is, but I have no reason to doubt it either. Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the Bradley Center. Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too high. Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. Charlie Betz Cray Research, Inc. Chippewa Falls, WI cbetz@romulus.cray.com " 6950,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 30 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. Hey, it's better than the status quo. I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and cordless phone calls. It would be stupid to rely on even a ""Clipperized"" channel for truly sensitive material, but it *does* seem to finally offer a reasonable way to guard against casual eavesdropping. For example, even with my strong ""right to bear arms"" view of the private right to possess and use strong cryptosystems, the system as described provides enough security that I would actually buy a cordless phone, and would be much less wary of using cellular phones, walkie-talkies, and so on. As long as it's only used for mass-market voice scrambling, I actually don't see a problem with it. If you want more security than it offers, use something different. Use PKCS for electronic mail, CELP over DES or triple DES with Diffie-Hellman key exchange for your voice traffic, or whatever. And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at least an incrememental improvement for certain applications... Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 6951,10,"From: jbarrett@aludra.usc.edu (Jonathan Barrett) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: aludra.1pr2c9INNg56 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. According to what reasonable principle of justice does standing in intimate geographical and psychological relations to a league give one some privileged right to play in it? A European " 6952,2,"Organization: Penn State University From: Azmi Hashim Subject: Re: Trident 8900 *CL* 1280x1024 driver? Lines: 18 In article , dfeldman@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (David Feldman) says: >Please excuse if FAQ but... >New Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support. >Drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette. >Windows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to >configuration dialog box. Any suggestion? >Thanx; please e-mail. >dfeldman@uswest.com Since we are in the subject, I have one more question. I have a Trident 8900C Video Card. I want to know what is the latest video driver for it. So far, all I can find is that an old driver dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi Anyone have any info ? Please e-mail me at axh113@psuvm.psu.edu -Az. " 6953,19,"From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6] Lines: 31 John W. Redelfs (cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : : I am a Mormon. I believe in Christ, that he is alive. He raised himself : [Text deleted] : : I learned that the concept of the Holy Trinity was never taught by Jesus : Christ, that it was ""agreed to"" by a council of clergymen long after Christ : was ascended, men who had no authority to speak for him. : If Jesus never taught the concept of the Trinity, how do you deal with the following: Mat 28 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, ""All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Mat 28 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in¹ the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Mat 28 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."" Also Jesus speaking: Act 1 5 For John baptized with¹ water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."" I believe that you may have overlooked some key verses, that are crucial to the Christian faith. Jim Burrill jburrill@boi.hp.com " 6954,11,"From: throopw%sheol@concert.net Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Lines: 59 : From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) : Message-ID: <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu> : It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications : would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future : probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I think it is unlikely that data like this could be used in court. Currently LEAs can install wiretaps on large numbers of phones, record calls without listening to them, and then post-facto obtain warrants and listen to calls after probable cause is established. But this strategy wouldn't get the stuff admitted in court. (At least, not in the near term.) In other words, near as I can tell, the thing that makes such evidence inadmissable is the interception without a warrant, not the attempt to interpret what was intercepted without a warrant. I'd be surprised that archiving data without consent would be interpreted as anything but analogous to a wiretap by the courts. Note that that doesn't mean I think it won't be done if technically feasible. Just as I'm sure many wiretaps are done now without warrants, just to fish for avenues to investigate. So in the future, start surveilance, start archiving data, trump up some probable cause, decrypt post-facto after the warrant is in hand, and the investigation gets a boost from data that, sadly, won't ever be presented to a jury. While I'm posting... for an interesting cautionary tale projecting this archiving scenario to extremes, read ""Lacey and his Friends"", a collection of sf stories by David Drake. The US starts down the slippery slope by archiving *everyghing*. But don't worry folks, it's stored in a secure repository where nobody but LEAs with warrants can get to it. And by the way, we'll be installing cameras on all major streets. Hey, this is nothing new, we already have cameras in banks and teller machines, don't we? And then we'll pass laws requiring cameras covering *all* public places. Then in some private places. Then we'll make it a crime ever to be out of range of a camera, except in legally licensed privacy cubicles. Only alone. And with a thorough body search before and after. But, see, there's still a right to privacy. We haven't curtailed any rights, not really. And just think how much easier it'd be to solve crimes in such a situation: just obtain a warrant, put on a VR helmet and take a walk down memory lane. And hey, nobody'll be tracking *you* or *me*, no need to be self-conscious. After all, if you're not doing anything illegal... Funny, though. While speeding and the radar detector industry became pretty much a thing of the past, somehow all this didn't elminate all crime in the story. And somehow, politicians got exemptions on grounds of national security, and rich corporations got exemptions for their execs on grounds of industrial espionage and the preservation of competition. And not everybody was exactly happy with the system. I can't imagine why. -- Wayne Throop throopw%sheol@concert.net throop%aurgate@concert.net " 6955,3,"From: d12751@tanus.oz.au (Jason Bordujenko) Subject: DAC Circuit Organization: Pro-Net Australia Lines: 54 G'day All, I was looking to build a Parallel Port Digital to Analogue Converter the other day and came across this schematic which I promptly threw together on a piece of VeroBoard: P2----22k----+ P3----48k----| P4----100k---| P5----200k---| P6----400k---| P7----800k---| 10uf electrolytic P8----1M6----| + P9----3M2----+---||--+---------- | + 47nF ceramic - - | - P25------------------+---------- (Please excuse the obvious limits of the Lower ASCII char set :=) I have it all constructed here and sitting inside a nice little grey ABS box. Unfortunately I can't get it to work... I have a little demo here by the name of Cronologia (Which the schematic came from) and all I can get it to pump out of the box is data type hash/static with a small amount of music signal behind it - it's even worse than the speaker inside the machine. Does anybody out in net.colourful.computer.world have any ideas/suggestions/ better designs/improvements/wastepaper bin... etc? Many thanks for a reply via this conference or email. // \X/ Regards, Jason. --- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason Bordujenko Computer Department | | InterNet/UseNet: d12751@tanus.oz.au Townsville Grammar School | | FidoNet Node : 3:640/702 (Grammar BBS) 45 Paxton Street | | Data Phone No. : +61 77 72 6052 (Int.) Townsville Queensland 4810 | | : (077) 72 6052 (Aust.) Australia | | Facsimilie : +61 77 72 2340 (Int.) | | : (077) 72 2340 (Aust.) | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | God made him simple, | | science made him god | | | | -Stephen King's `The LawnMower Man' | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6956,1,"From: esuoc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ajay Soni) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For M Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 44 Distribution: world Reply-To: esuoc@csv.warwick.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: thyme.csv.warwick.ac.uk In article 2G1@bcstec.ca.boeing.com, rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: >Hi Netters, > >I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > >Can you please offer some recommendations? > >I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. > >Thanks > >(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) > >Bob Carpenter > I've been given the sites of some excellent 3D objects on all sorts of file formats ... Here's where they are: Host plaza.aarnet.edu.au Location: /graphics/graphics/mirrors DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Apr 4 14:32 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil Host compute1.cc.ncsu.edu Location: /mirrors/wustl/graphics/graphics/mirrors DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Mar 14 09:15 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil Host wuarchive.wustl.edu Location: /graphics/graphics/mirrors DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Jan 3 06:29 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil See ya! Ajay 8*) " 6957,3,"From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) Subject: Re: Possible FAQ question about a UART Organization: what, ME??? you must be joking. Lines: 26 In article <1qjp2bINN815@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: >National Semiconductor. I don't know if other manufacturers make equivalent >chips or not. Maybe National isn't even the original, but they are the only >one that I know about. NS16450, NS16C450, NS16C451, NS16550AF, NS16C551, and >NS16C552. no argument on going direct to National (see my previous post on this topic), but some info regarding what you said above. I don't know about the 8250 or 16450, but NS was the original source for the 16550 series (and I strongly suspect that they developed the others first, too). I can also tell you that I'm one of those who won't buy a UART made by anyone other than National Semiconductor. --jim -- #include 73 DE N5IAL (/4) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ INTERNET: jim@n5ial.mythical.com | j.graham@ieee.org ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W AMATEUR RADIO: n5ial@w4zbb (Ft. Walton Beach, FL) AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs). " 6958,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: The Evidence Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 28 In article <115298@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: > BK: # ##So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? # # CC: # #The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. # # Hmmm. # # I've told you more than once that I've been monogamous for almost 4 years # now, and that I really don't get into fetishes. Then you are nearly the only homosexual who is. I don't believe you. You've changed your story before. # Yet you maintain my homosexual activity is still immoral. # # Care to elaborate? # # For that matter, explain why fetishes are immoral? # # kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, The fact that your fetish is more important than who you are making love to. (Actually, in your case, ""having sex with."") -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 6959,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: Re: My turn Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 29 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Dan Sorenson writing: ... DS>I'd rather not get into the Nationalized Medical Care debate DS>here, but I find it amazing that criminals often live better than the DS>rest of the population, in some aspects, and that we're paying for ^^^^ DS>them to do so. As an example, in November I had my annual dental ... Here, you are somewhat in error.....in ALL respects we are paying. When we are not paying for their countryclub incarceration, we are paying with our lives and belongings as their prey. Upon what would they practice their nefarious predatory acts if not for the citizens of this country. What is amazing to me is the mindset of those who overtly and covertly perpetuate a justice system (har) that essentially mandates that some of us offer up ourselves as that prey while they suitably insulate themselves from the preyground. --- . OLX 2.2 . Church of Crime & Justice....come, let us prey! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 6960,1,From: rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Richard Stoakley) Subject: Need a good concave -> convex polygon algorithm Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department Lines: 6 We need a good concave ->convex polygon conversion routine. I've tried a couple without much luck. Please E-mail responses and I will post a summary of any replies. Thank you. Richard Stoakley rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU 6961,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Jews in LATVIA - some documents Article-I.D.: zuma.9304052018 Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 407 In article nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes: : Pardon me? Here is to an amherst-clown: : : ""Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders : of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged : massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is : intolerable. >This is about Armenia. Were you expecting a different response? Here is another one: Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934, (73 pages with Appendix). p. 25 (third paragraph) ""Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror into the hearts of the Turks."" ""Within a few months after the war began, these Armenian guerrilla forces, operating in close coordination with the Russians, were savagely attacking Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east, massacring their inhabitants without mercy, while at the same time working to sabotage the Ottoman army's war effort by destroying roads and bridges, raiding caravans, and doing whatever else they could to ease Russian occupation. The atrocities committed by the Armenian volunteer forces accompanying the Russian army were so severe that the Russian commanders themselves were compelled to withdraw them from the fighting fronts and sent them to rear guard duties. The memoirs of many Russian officers who served in the east at this time are filled with accounts of the revolting atrocities committed by these Armenian guerrillas, which were savage even by relatively primitive standards of war then observed in such areas.[1]"" [1] ""Journal de Guerre du Deuxieme d'Artillerie de Forteresse Russe d'Erzeroum,"" 1919, p. 28. : >honored me by reproducing my text. Unfortunately, he has still not produced : >the ""documents"" on ""Jews in LATVIA."" Instead, he asks for my views on the : >""Turkish Genocide."" Well, that debate seems to be going on in a few hundred : >other threads. I'll let other people bring the usual charges, try to debunk : >Mutlu/Argic/Cosar (a net-wide Terrorism Triangle?) and their spurious evidence. : : When that does ever happen, look out the window to see if there is a : non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. Now, where is : your non-existent list of scholars? What a moronian. During the First : World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship : through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its : centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by : savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from : their 1,000 year homeland. >This paragraph is well-written and interesting, Serdar baby, but it has nothing >to do with Jews in LATVIA. I have not presented a list of scholars. How could you? Because there is none. >I am not >interested in an ex-Soviet (why do you write x-? It's very cute) Armenian >Government, non-fascist or otherwise. You are not responding to what I am >writing. Instead, you are autoposting your own particular brand of bullshit. Like conversing with a brick wall. And you are not responding to what I am writing. By the way, that ""bullshit"" is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. >You have now done so four times in a row. May I legitimately conclude that >you are not, indeed, a regular net-user, but an auto-posting computer program? >(which, for convenience, I have called MUTLU.EXE.) You may assert whatever you wish. >Here we go with MUTLU.EXE's famed list of sources: Ditto. : The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance : of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. : This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government : and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark : Bristol, ... >(and on and on for 46 lines) And still anxiously awaiting... : .......so the list goes on and on and on..... : : >I'm still trying to find out about those Jews in LATVIA. Can you post those : >documents PLEEEEEEEASE, Mr. Argic? Puh-leeze could you? C'mon, it's my : >birthday in three weeks... post them for me as a birthday present. : : Remember, the issue at hand is the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million : Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914-1920, and the Armenian-Nazi : collaboration during World War II. Anything to add? >No, darling, READ what I post! Other people are asking you about the Turkish >genocide. I am asking you to produce the documents on Jews in Latvia. No >matter how many times you erase what I post, I will still post the same >question. Post the documents on Jews in Latvia. Do not autopost the same >block of text about the Turkish genocide. Remember, the issue at hand is the Armenian-Nazi collaboration during World War II and the Turkish Genocide. And I still fail to see how you can challenge the following western sources. Source: John Dewey: ""The New Republic,"" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9. ""Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it. And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians, and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..."" He also stated that: ""they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" : >I want the documents of Jews in Latvia. I think several other : >people on soc.culture.greek are already disputing with you about the Turkish : >Genocide. : : Is this the joke of the month? Who, when, how, where? What a clown... >No, sweetie, the joke of the month is that you have now posted the same >block of text four times, but you still have not produced the documents on >Jews in Latvia. Instead, you post the same text you post in every other >message, that same old McCarthy table: (how appropriate it's named ""McCarthy!"") How about Prof Shaw, a Jewish scholar? Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Source: Stanford J. Shaw, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"" Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317. ""...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response: 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new free life under the protection of Russia.'[155] Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."" [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083. ""Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"" [156] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, ""Harb Hahralaram,"" 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083. ""An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"" [162] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350. [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, ""Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"" Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915. : Muslim population exterminated by the Armenians: >(31 lines deleted) Why? : Who gives a thunder about your pseudo-scholar jokes? I'am arguing about : the Armenian-Nazi colaboration during World War II. Any comment? >Argue it with someone else or do not reply to my posts, Argic my love. I >am not arguing about the Armenian-Nazi collaboration. I do not give a >thunder about it. I want you to do one of three things: >a) admit that you are not a regular user, but a computer autoposting Turkish >propaganda, or, >b) post the documents on Jews in Latvia, or, >c) run away, like the coward without a real address that you are, and do not >reply to my posts. It could be, perhaps, your head wasn't screwed on just right. In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration camps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the former guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the short-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination of the Jews. This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an ""encore"" performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army. Furthermore, as McCarthy put it, the Armenian dictatorship was granted a respite when the Ottomans admitted defeat and signed the Mudros Armistice with the Allies (October 30, 1918). The Allies had decided to create a Greater Armenia, including the old Russian province of Yerevan and adjoining areas, as well as most parts of Anatolia claimed by the Armenian fanatics. Only the area called Cilicia (around the Ottoman province of Adana) was to be excluded, as it had already been claimed by the French. The Allies quickly set about attempting to disarm Ottoman soldiers and other Turks, who could be expected to oppose their plans. On April 19, 1919 the British Army occupied Kars, gave civilian and military power over to the Armenians, then withdrew. The British planned for Kars to be included in the Armenian Dictatorship, even though the Russian pre-war census had shown Kars Province to be over 60% Muslim. The Turks of Kars were effectively disarmed, but the British could not disarm the Kurds of the mountains. The fate of the Turks was almost an exact replica of what had occurred earlier in Eastern Anatolia. Murder, pillage, genocide and the destruction of Turkish homes and entire Turkish villages drove the Turks of Kars to the mountains or south and west to the safety afforded by remaining units of the Ottoman Army. The British had left the scene to the Armenian genocide squads. Therefore, few Europeans were present to observe the genocide. One British soldier, Colonel Rawlinson, who was assigned to supervise the disarmament of Otoman soldiers, saw what was occurring. Rawlinson wired to his superiors, ""in the interest of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslim population, as, their troops being without discipline and not being under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed."" >Instead, you post more Armenian nonsense: Come again? : ""These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to... >(34 lines deleted) Why? : No wonder you are in such a mess. Here are the Armenian sources on the : Turkish Holocaust. >(30+ lines deleted) Why? >(list of dead Armenians, 100+ lines, deleted): Obrother. Spell it out, ""list of dead Muslims"": Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 64,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20. (To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist Nesim Mazelyah) ""Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army. Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking. We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation."" ""Document No: 65,"" Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3. (To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General) ""The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have recently taken over is given below: These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed, as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation. All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum, the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down. As to the people of these cities: All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people, were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts. The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than those of the 'Spanish Inquisition,' are in poverty more dead than alive, horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated. The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely massacred. Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions."" : (a long list) : (a long list)"" And still anxiously awaiting... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 6962,8,"From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) Subject: BMWMOA Controversy Summary: Request for _brief_ overview Keywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA. Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: >>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: >>...good ol boys that have been there too long. > > [...] while I agree with you that the current >board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash >for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think? If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you got to the above contretemps? Points will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area. -Pete Ahrens " 6963,2,"From: domet@ucbeh.san.uc.edu Subject: Windows NT, HELP! PLEASE HELP! Distribution: world Organization: Univ of Cincinnati Academic IT Services Lines: 26 WINDOWS NT I need some information on the new Windows NT. Anything you have would be appreciated. I know nothing about it. (Well, except that it exists.) Some questions... Memory requirements, hard drive space, release date? is it out? How is IBM reacting? Intel? Can it replace other LAN OS's? ANYTHING else like specs, speed, etc.. Thanks in advance! Luke Email me at internet address: domet@ucbeh.san.uc.edu bitnet address: domet@ucbeh " 6964,3,"From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) Subject: CD SPEEDWAY - any good? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 12 Reply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Anybody use CD Speedway out there? Is it as good as they say? I hate waiting around for my CD to finish loading the next level in WC and the such. How much memory does it eat up? -- _______ ________ ________ ""Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.) / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!"" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).( / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@tasha.poly.edu ( v ) /______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/ " 6965,13,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: NATURAL ANTI-cancer/AIDS Remedies Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 224 The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER- MONGERING ""medical"" establishment. Some examples of very low cost NATURAL ANTI-cancer Remedies are listed in the following article: NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES A 3RD OPINION ( Some of these Remedies also work against AIDS. ) DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources that have shown themselves to be reliable. The compiler of this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the subjects of his choice. ( MOST of these Remedies can be found in ANY Grocery Store. MOST of the rest of them can be found in ANY Health Food Store. What is important is HOW they are used, and what else is EXCLUDED DURING their use. ) (1) THE 7-DAY FAST. 1st day: Eat as much fresh fruit as you want, one kind at a time, preferably grapes. 2nd day: Eat all the vegetables you want, at least half raw, including GARLIC; also, whole kernel corn to help scrape clean the intestinal linings. 3rd day: Drink all the fresh fruit and vegetable juice you want. Preferably start with 16 to 32 ounces of prune juice WITH PULP, followed by a gallon of pure (NOT from concentrate) apple juice, then grape juice. (Stay close to your home bathroom.) 4th day: Eat all the UN-salted nuts (NO peanuts) and dried fruit you want, preferably raisins and almonds (ALMONDS CONTAIN LAETRILE.). 5th day: ONE GALLON OF LEMONADE. Squeeze the juice from two lemons into a gallon of water (preferably distilled), and add 2 to 4 tablespoons of locally-made honey, (NO sugar). Drink one glass per hour. [EVERYone, including healthy people, should do this one day every week, preceded by a large glass of prune juice WITH PULP.] 6th day: Same as 5th day. 7th day: Same as 6th day. All 7 days, eat ONLY the foods listed above for each day, along with your usual vitamin and mineral supplements, plus as much DISTILLED WATER as you want. (2) THE GRAPE DIET. Eat 2 to 3 ounces of fresh grapes every 2 hours, 8 AM to 8 PM, every day for six days. Eat NOTHING else during the six days, but drink as much DISTILLED WATER as you want. (3) APPLE CIDER VINEGAR. Mix a teaspoon of pure apple cider vinegar (NOT apple cider ""flavored"" vinegar. Regular vinegar is HARMFUL.) in a glass of water (preferably distilled) and drink all of it. Do this 3 or 4 times per day, for 3 weeks; then stop for a week. Repeat if desired. Do this along with a normal healthy diet of natural foods. This remedy is especially effective against those types of cancer that resemble a FUNGUS, as well as against other kinds of fungus infections. (4) THE SEA-SALT & SODA BATH. [Please keep an OPEN MIND.] Fill a bathtub with moderately warm water so the level comes up almost to the overflow drain when you get in. Immerse yourself in it for a minute, and then completely dissolve in the bath water 1 pound of SUN-evaporated SEA-salt (regular salt won't work.) and 1 pound of fresh baking-soda. Soak in this bath for 10 to 20 minutes, while exercising your fingers, toes, and limbs, turning sideways and onto your stomach, dunking your head, sitting up and laying back down, chomping your teeth together, etc.. Among other things, the SEA-salt & Soda Bath neutralizes the accumulated effects of X-rays, etc., as described in the book ""Born To Be Magnetic, Vol. 2"", by Frances Nixon, 1973. PRECAUTIONS: Only the ONE person using each bath should prepare it and drain it. For at least 30 minutes after taking the bath, stay away from, and even out of sight of, other people. (Your greatly expanded Aura energy-field during that time could disrupt other people's fields.) Two hours after the bath, eat at least 8 ounces of yogurt containing ACTIVE Yogurt Cultures. (The bath may kill FRIENDLY bacteria also.) Better yet, take a 2-Billion-bacteria ""Acidophilus"" capsule, which is also an EXCELLENT DAILY REMEDY AGAINST THE EFFECTS OF ""A.I.D.S."" (because it kills all kinds of harmful bacteria in the digestive tract, taking a big load off the remaining immune system). [Because this external bath can kill IN-ternal bacteria, it may also be a CURE for ""Lyme disease"".] Do NOT take this bath within a few hundred miles of a thunder storm, within 3 days of a full moon, nor during ""Major"" or ""Minor Periods"" as listed in the ""Solunar Tables"" published bimonthly in ""Field & Stream"" Magazine, (because of the measurable disruptive ambient environmental energy-fields present at those times). Do NOT take this bath more than four times per year. (5) MISCELLANEOUS NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES: For skin cancer, apply STABILIZED Aloe Vera Jel to the affected skin twice daily, and take 2 to 4 tablespoons per day of STABILIZED Aloe Vera Juice internally, for about 2 months. D.M.S.O. (Dimethyl Sulfoxide) causes cancer cells to perform NORMAL cell functions. ALMONDS (UN-blanched, UN-roasted) CONTAIN LAETRILE. To help prevent cancer, eat several almonds every day. To help cure cancer, eat several OUNCES of almonds per day. [NEVER take large concentrated doses of Laetrile orally. IT WILL KILL YOU! Take it INTRAVENOUSLY ONLY. (Cancer cells contain a certain enzyme which converts Laetrile into cyanide, which then kills the cell. This enzyme is ALSO present in the digestive system.)] ANTI-OXIDANTS are FREE-RADICAL SCAVENGERS, and include Vitamin E, Selenium (200 mcg. per day is safe for most people.), Chromium (up to 100 mcg. per day), Vitamin A (25,000 IU per day is safe for most people.), Superoxide Dismutase (up to 4,000,000 Units per day), Vitamin C (up to 3000 mg. per day), and BHT (Butylated Hydroxy- toluene), [1 to 4 capsules of BHT every night at bedtime will also MAKE ONE IMMUNE AGAINST HERPES (BOTH types), suppress herpes symptoms if one already has herpes, prevent spreading herpes to other people, but will not cure herpes. BHT MIGHT ALSO DO THESE THINGS AGAINST ""A.I.D.S."", which is really a form of cancer similar to leukemia.] (See the book ""Life Extension"", by Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw.) HYDROGEN-PEROXIDE. Dilute twelve(12) drops of 3% hydrogen-peroxide in a glass of pure water (preferably DISTILLED) and drink it. Do this once or twice per day, hours before or after eating or drinking anything else. Apply 3% hydrogen-peroxide directly to skin cancers several times per day. Use hydrogen-peroxide ONLY if you are taking a good daily dose of some of the various anti-oxidants described above. VITAMIN & MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS are more effective, and much less expensive, when COMBINED together in MEGA doses into SINGLE tablets made from NATURAL sources. Cancer cells can NOT live in a strong (100,000 Maxwell) NORTH MAGNETIC FIELD, especially if it is pulsating on and off. [A strong south magnetic field is an aphrodisiac.] In my opinion, ALL types of ionizing- radiation treatments for cancer should be REPLACED with daily 30-minute doses of pulsating 100,000-Maxwell NORTH magnetic fields. Properly made and operated RADIONICS/PSIONICS MACHINES can both diagnose and cure all forms of cancer, as well as most other medical problems. Some Radionics/Psionics Machines can even take cross-sectional X-ray-like photos of cancer tumors, etc., with-OUT X-rays! INTERFERON tablets. TAHEEBO TEA, (Lapacho). HOMEOPATHY can cure cancer, and many other medical problems (even drug addiction!). 50 mg. per day of CHELATED ZINC can help prevent or cure prostate trouble. This list is NOT exhaustive. The above NATURAL Remedies can CURE both diagnosed AND UN- DIAGNOSED cancers, as well as PREVENT them, and also prevent and cure many other medical problems including heart- diseases. They are NOT too simple and inexpensive to work effectively. Besides acting on a person biologically and chemically, these remedies, especially The 7-Day Fast and The Grape Diet, send a strong message to one's subconscious mind, PROGRAMMING it to CURE the cancer. In my opinion, if a person finds out that s/he has cancer, then s/he should promptly try at least the first 4 remedies described above, in sequence (starting with The 7-Day Fast), BEFORE resorting to the UN-natural and expensive mutilations and agonies [POISON, BURN, and MUTILATE!] of orthodox cancer treatment [organi$ed-CRIME!]. DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources that have shown themselves to be reliable. The compiler of this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the subjects of his choice. FOR MORE INFORMATION, contact Cancer Control Society, 2043 N. Berendo St., Los Angeles, CA 90027, and/or other organiza- tions listed in the ""Alternative Medicine"" and ""Holistic Medicine"" portions of the ""Health and Medical Organizations"" Section (Section 8) of the latest edition of the ""Encyclope- dia of Associations"" reference book in your local public or university library. UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine " 6966,13,"From: jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Cherney) Subject: Epstein-Barr Syndrome questions Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr23.034226.2284 Reply-To: jcherney@reed.edu Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR Lines: 19 Okay, this is a long shot. My friend Robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis-type symptoms, very regularly. This has been going on for a number of years. She's seen a number of doctors; six was the last count, I think. Most of them have said either ""You have mono"" or ""You're full of it; there's nothing wrong with you."" One has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her, and one has claimed that it is Epstein-Barr syndrome. Now, what she told me about EBS is that very few doctors even believe that it exists. (Obviously, this has been her experience.) So, what's the story? Is it real? Does the medical profession believe it to be real? Has anyone had success is treating EBS? Or is it just something to live with? Thanks for your assistance. Joel ""The Ogre"" Cherney jcherney@reed.edu Of the Horde " 6967,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Old Predictions to laugh at... Summary: LONG! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 404 Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the date indicated. They are largely out of order. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ June 11, 1992 tedward@cs.cornell.edu (ME!) >What have I done? I computed the ""expected winning percentage"" for >each team from their OBP, total bases, and runs allowed. I use the >basic RC formula and the pythagorean projection. I then compare this >with their actual winning percentage. All stats through June 7. > >Team OBP TB RA W L XWP Diff >baltimore 0.351 768 199 33 21 0.647 -36 >boston 0.334 580 176 26 25 0.548 -38 >toronto 0.319 750 221 34 22 0.540 68 >new york 0.327 759 237 28 26 0.523 -5 >milwaukee 0.325 692 226 28 25 0.498 31 >detroit 0.328 782 285 24 31 0.448 -11 >cleveland 0.316 688 274 22 34 0.386 7 >minnesota 0.353 797 237 30 24 0.585 -29 >oakland 0.350 719 236 32 23 0.532 50 >texas 0.324 815 281 33 26 0.469 90 >chicago 0.325 601 212 25 27 0.459 22 >california 0.307 664 231 22 32 0.438 -30 >kansas city 0.310 656 239 22 32 0.420 -13 >seattle 0.310 726 290 22 33 0.376 24 You all know how things turned out. The Orioles, Red Sox, and Yankees all disappeared. The Jays and Tigers continued at essentially the expected pace. The Brewers and Indians cranked in the second half. The Rangers predictably took a dive. That shouldn't have surprised anybody. Meanwhile, as predicted, the Mariners dropped behind the Angels and Royals. They clearly didn't deserve the 22-33 record in June. The White Sox and A's upped their game a bit, while the Twins dropped off a little. But for the most part things were as expected. Okay, so there were a few blatant errors. But for a predictive calculation, I thought this did pretty well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu Tue Mar 31 16:36:34 1992 >1. The Braves insert Kent Mercker into the starting rotation >sometime this year (1992). Bielecki is traded or released, Lei- >brandt becomes the fifth starter, and the best bullpen in baseball >has Pena, Berenguer, Stanton, Wohlers, Freeman, and Pete Smith, who >spot-starts as well. Hm. Pete Smith made the rotation instead of Mercker. And Bielecki wasn't released until the end of the year. I won't comment on the bullpen. (Jeff Reardon??? :-) >2. Blauser wins the starting shortstop job outright by the end >of May. Bream goes on the DL, and Klesko goes on a nice hitting >honeymoon (a la Gregg Jefferies in 1988) platooning with Hunter. >Mitchell wins the center field job a bit later (All-Star break?) and >Nixon stays on as a valuable pinch-runner. Lonnie is released unless >the Braves find a taker in a trade. Right on Blauser. Wrong on Bream and Mitchell. A bit early on Lonnie, as with Bielecki. Didn't pick Sanders. (Did anybody? :-) >3. Managers to be fired this year (1992) in chronological order: >Fregosi, Showalter, Valentine, Riddoch Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to stick, it seems). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mattel.Auto-trol.COM!mattel@auto-trol.com Tue Mar 31 17:04:22 1992 >1) Bonds gets traded from Bucs for some young talent. Nope! They won the division, and so kept him for a shot at the playoffs. >2) Mets win division :-) Well, they didn't finish last. >3) Atlanta repeats in the West Got that one right. >4) Yankees surprise everyone, but finish second behind Toronto. Nope. >5) Dwight Gooden wins 20, but is surpassed by Saberhagen who wins 22. I guess this is why you picked the Mets to win, huh? >6) Roger Clemens is injured early in the season. Tsk Tsk. Not nice to predict something like this. >7) Strawberry fails to hit even 20 home runs and is often injured. >8) Due to 7, Dodgers drop out of race. You got that right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And my response... >From tedward Tue Mar 31 17:57:42 1992 > >Hmph! Can tell you are a Mets fan! Do you mind if I make some counter >predictions against yours? They follow: >2) Mets come in third, behind Pittsburgh and Montreal. Okay, so the Mets finished fifth. But I got the Pirates and Expos right! >4) The Yankees offense and pitching flounders, dropping them to fourth > place in the AL East. Boston wins 95 games, the division, the pennant, > and the World Series. First half? Dead on! Second half? Ummm.... I'm a Sox fan, go easy on me! >5) Dwight Gooden rushes his comeback, gets blown out, and goes on the DL from > May through mid-July. > Saberhagen runs a .500 record; WFAN criticizes the Mets for ""giving away > that great talent Jefferies"", who has a solid year in KC. So I got my predictions for Gooden and Saberhagen reversed. :-) I was at least *close*, and was right about Jefferies. (Though I don't know. HAS WFAN criticized the Jefferies trade?) >6) Roger Clemens wins another CY, as well as 20 games. Close. No cigar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In article , al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes: > Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 1-Apr-92 Re: NL East( Smiley > trade's.. CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale. (591) > >> OPS Projected for 1992: >> HoJo .792 > > I will streak naked down Forbes avenue if HoJo does not muster more than > a .792 OPS. Something is wrong with that projection. Some predictions need no introduction! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Mon Apr 13 02:09:15 1992 >>From tedward@cs.cornell.edu >>Do you care to put your prediction down for posterity? You predict >>Mark Grace will get 90+ RBIs. I say you are out of your mind. That >>is almost impossible for a 10-HR type guy batting behind Dawson. (Who >>kills most of the rallies he doesn't finish.) > > Why do you say that? Mark has driven in 82 ('90) and 79 ('89). >Last year Mark was batting second primarily and it was his worse year >average wise. Since he is batting either 3rd or 5th this year I predict >he will be back up to his previous standards (I think he will be better) >90 rbi's is not that much of a stretch. Sometimes us statheads get lucky. Grace *didn't* hit behind Dawson the entire season, but he also finished with only 79 RBIs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From nss3@midway.uchicago.edu Tue May 19 22:09:06 1992 > >The most ballsy prediction ever: > >Mark McGwire will hit 61 or more HRs this year. Nope. He slowed down, and the injury finished him off. Didn't even reach 50. But a ballsy prediction, nonetheless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ECAXRON@MARS.LERC.NASA.GOV Thu May 21 16:42:21 1992 >(1) Baltimore will not fade. They will not win the division this year, > but they will finish within five games. I find the prospect of two > Orioles winning 20 each easier to comprehend than that of two Sox. > No offense - I think their pitching is about as good as the division > has to offer. The Orioles finished seven games out. None of them won 20 (though Mussina might have had a chance, with better relief and more starts). >(2) Nobody else in the division is worth a darn. They all finish a minimum > of fifteen games out, the Tribe 30. That's another reason to watch > Baltimore this year and next - they won't waste many of those games > against the rest of the division. Except for the Brewers (who you probably forgot), you were right! The rest of the division was thoroughly mediocre. The Yankees and Indians ""led"" with 76 wins, the Red Sox ""trailed"" with 73 wins. None were horrible, but four were five or more games below .500. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 15:47:30 GMT >Right. That was me. I never said the Jays were a cinch to clinch it >but I said that Milwaukee will be more of a threat than Baltimore. I >do think that Toronto should win it but after '87 I don't consider >anything a cinch unless you have something like a 4 game lead with 3 >games to go. I do think that the Jays have the best talented team in >the AL East and if we had a good, or even average manager we might >have a bigger lead right now. I also think that the Orioles will not >play much better than .500 baseball for the rest of the season. You win! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From king@cogsci.UCSD.EDU Thu Nov 14 14:33:45 1991 > >In article <1991Nov13.060413.9187@cs.cornell.edu> you write: >>7. Indians the first and only 0-162 season ever! :-) > >Prediction: The Cleveland indians will win 70 or more games next year. You were right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu Fri Sep 13 01:15:52 1991 > >1. Jose Rijo will win the 1992 Cy Young award IF he is healthy enough to go >at least 210 IP. (Who would have thought he would try to steal a base? Why >risk such an injury???) He had 211 IP, but didn't win the Cy Young. Maddux surprised all. >2. The Orioles will win 88+ games in at least 3 of the next 6 years >(probably the last 3) and their pitching staff will have a team ERA >among the best 4 in the AL in at least 3 of the next 6 years (but not >necessarily all the same years as they win 88+). This one will take a >long time to verify. I don't think I want to wait that long. But they won 89 games last year, and they were fifth in the league in ERA. Not a bad start. >4. Ben McDonald will not challenge for an ERA title in the next 2 >years, nor will he have 18+ victories either year. (By challenge, I >mean FINISH among the leaders; being among the leaders BEFORE the >season is done doesn't count.) He will probably never be the pitcher >he was hyped to be, but is still a decent starter to have. Looks like it. He wasn't bad last year, just too consistent to be an ace. So far this year looks like more of the same. >5. The Phillies will give up *many* fewer walks if/when they get rid of their >bullpen coach (Ryan). (I am not predicting when or whether they will get rid >of him, and you will have to give the team a little bit of time to adjust >before seeing the radical change. They would have a fine pitching staff if >they would just steal Ray Miller away from Pittsburg. The White Sox seem to >have the same problem, but not as bad.) I honestly can't say. Did they get rid of him? Their BB totals were down last year. >7. Ricky Jordan will have 90+ rbi IF he starts 145+ games, hitting in >the 3 or 4 or 5 spot in any lineup or the 6 spot in a lineup with very >good OBP in the 4,5 hitters. This applies for each of the next 3 >years. I just don't think he's that good.... >12. Billy Ripken will *never* again hit over .240 with 400+ AB. :-) So far, so good. I'm *definitely* not waiting to check this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From panix!spira@cmcl2.NYU.EDU Fri Sep 13 12:38:08 1991 > >No matter what Lou Gorman and his scouts say, Paul Quantrill will >never ever be an adequate major league starter. Never! (I have never >seen a starting pitcher who can only strike out 3 per 9 innings at AAA >be successful in the majors.) Current plans seem to be to use Quantrill in long relief. He has a rubber arm and unusual delivery. He might be decent in that role. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lyle@ecn.purdue.edu Sat Sep 14 01:51:28 1991 > M.V.P. - `92 >A.L. - Frank Thomas >N.L. - Hal Morris > > Division Winners - `92 >A.L. East - Baltimore Orioles >A.L. West - Chicago White Sox >A.L. Pennant - Chicago White Sox >N.L. East - St. Louis Cardinals >N.L. West - Cincinatti Reds >N.L. Pennant - Cincinatti Reds >W.S. Champion - Cincinatti Reds Wrong on all of the above. (Hal Morris????) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And my favorites! From tedward Sun Oct 20 23:52:57 1991 > >Belle will not walk as many as 50 times in 1992. >Belle will hit more HR than he has walks in 1992. Belle hit 34 HR last year, walking 52 times (but five of those were intentional!). Okay, so I exaggerate. But I *might* have been right. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From trn@strdev.jhuapl.edu Tue Mar 31 15:25:28 1992 > >> Are the O's going to sign Cal, of is Eli's wallet welded shut (outgoing >> money only, wide open for incoming cash 8-)) > >My prediction (which you may make note of, Valentine :-) ), is that Eli Jacobs >will defer any serious negotiations on Cal Ripken's contract until the '92 >season is over. Eli will give Cal every opportunity to have his stats tumble >a bit from last year's pace before coming forth with an offer. > >(Despite claims that OP@CY was designed to Cal's strength, my feeling is that >the 411 foot left-center ""canyon"" will cut down on Cal's power stats.) > >After all, it's hard to credibly to offer $3-4 million/year to an >All-Star game MVP/AL MVP/Gold Glove shortstop/baseball deity :-) -- >but it'd be a lot easier to offer a similar salary to an ""obviously >declining but above average"" shortstop who had a career year one full >season ago. > >Of course, if Cal *does* match his '91 numbers, then Eli is going to be faced >with a rather huge (and expensive) problem... How much did Cal sign for? When did he sign? If I remember correctly, he got a rather hefty contract despite a weak season. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And finally.... From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 > >Generally, because of expansion in 1993, there will be a lot of >mediocre talent hanging around. Much of it will not make it, as the >expansion teams look for younger talent around which to build their >teams. My specific predictions: > >As of April 7, 1993: > >Jim Acker and Cory Snider will be selling aluminum siding. Snyder is still in SF. Acker is gone?? >Neither Charlie Kerfeld nor Vance Lovelace (presently in Tiger AA but >formerly big leaguers) will be playing professional ball. They aren't in the majors. >Nor will Dave Rozema (who says he's keeping in shape with a hope for >another shot with expansion). Never heard of him. >Shawn Hare and Jody Hurst will be in the major leagues. >(They are outfielders in the Tiger minor league system) I don't *think* they are in the majors. >Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees. Dunno what happened to him. >It will be bye-bye for Balboni. If he's still around, he's stuck in the minors. >Bo Jackson will _not_ be a starter. Hm. With Raines out, Bo looks to get a lot of PT. >Gary Huckaby will have moved to Alaska permanently (they're on the >net!), :-) >and Dave Kirsch will return to Canada to live. Hm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for listening! -Valentine " 6968,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 58 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire |> on their house, killing most of the people inside. |> I would hardly consider the BD's to be Christian. They were acting in direct contradiction to scripture. Jesus' Second Coming is something that everyone will know of. Jesus also predicted that there will be false Messiahs who will use His name. His prophecy has been fulfilled. |> I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what |> they were doing, and it's their own actions. |> |> What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, |> including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful |> conditions. |> I agree with you there. |> If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud |> that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. |> Me too. I have already given my life to God. If God tells me to lay down my life, it will be to save another life. |> You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare |> the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. |> |> I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity |> knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think |> the actions today would produce a good picture of your |> religion? |> Do you judge all Christians by the acts of those who would call themselves Christian and yet are not? The BD's contradicted scripture in their actions. They were NOT Christian. Simple as that. Perhaps you have read too much into what the media has portrayed. Ask any true-believing Christian and you will find that they will deny any association with the BD's. Even the 7th Day Adventists have denied any further ties with this cult, which was what they were. Do you judge all Muslims by the acts committed by Saddam Hussein, a supposedly devout Muslim? I don't. Saddam is just a dictator using the religious beliefs of his people to further his own ends. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) |> |> Kent |> |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 6969,8,"From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkomb$c22 Distribution: world Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] Reading all you folks things to do to illegally parked cars made me wonder who's going to carry cinder blocks on a bike(?!?!?) or is ready to do serious damage (key carvings etc.) to a cage. Then I had an idea--chain lube isn't just for chain's anymore!!! It seems more reasonable to me, no permanent damage but lots of work to get off! (Don't ask me how I know :) Use it anywhere, the windshield, the door handles, in the keyhole, etc. What a nasty mood I'm in. It's raining again... _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ | | | Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | | Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | | 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | | Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | |______________________________________________________________| " 6970,8,"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: >hello there >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . I've ridden one twice. It was designed to be a monster in a straight line, which it is. It has nothing on an FZR400 in the corners. In fact, it just didn't handle that well at all in curves. But hey, that's not what it was designed to do. My two cents, Alan " 6971,5,"From: rank@winf.uni-passau.de (Christian Rank) Subject: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Wirtschaftsinformatik - Universitaet Passau Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.winf.uni-passau.de I've installed X11R5 with patches for Solaris 2.1 on our SPARCstation LX / SPARCclassic pool. On the LX, X11R5 runs fine, but on the classics, after giving the command startx, Xsun prints the following messages: WARNING: cg3_mmap: can't map dummy space! Mapping cg3c: No such device or address and exits. Does anybody know how to fix this problem? Thanks in advance. --- Christian Rank Lehrstuhl fuer Wirtschaftsinformatik * Universitaet Passau * Innstr. 29 * D-8390 Passau " 6972,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: AM Press Briefing by Dee Dee Myers -- 4.15.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 844 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY DEE DEE MYERS The Briefing Room 9:45 A.M. EDT Q Why was the 10:00 a.m. postponed? MS. MYERS: Just due to scheduling conflicts. So as we put out, the President will meet with the leaders of the national police organizations at 2:00 p.m. in the Rose Garden, as opposed to 10:00 a.m. The only other things on his schedule today are: At 11:00 a.m. he'll meet with General Vessey, who, as you know, is on his way to Vietnam to continue working on the MIA-POW issue. At 12:30 p.m. he'll have lunch with the Vice President in the Oval Office. And at 2:00 p.m. he'll meet with the police organizations. Then from 3:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. he'll do his weekly photos with the various groups. Q A photo op with Vessey? MS. MYERS: There's no coverage on the Vessey meeting. Q Why? MS. MYERS: Why? It's a closed meeting. Q What about the lunch? MS. MYERS: The lunch? No, there's no coverage. Q Is he meeting with any congress people today? MS. MYERS: Nothing scheduled. Q There are no meetings -- MS. MYERS: There are no congressional meetings today, no. Q Has the President been given any information by the Pentagon or reached any conclusion about the validity of this report from Hanoi? Any instructions to Vessey on how to deal with the Vietnamese on that subject? MS. MYERS: Well, clearly, the report is the first order of business. It's high on the agenda on something that they'll discuss. I think the President and General Vessey will discuss the parameters of his visit to Vietnam today, but the President hasn't drawn any conclusions about the report yet. Certainly, it's something that he wants General Vessey to talk with the Vietnamese about first. Q Did the President talk with any Republican senators yesterday about the stimulus package? MS. MYERS: He spoke with Senator Dole. Q How many times? MS. MYERS: I believe once during the day and once last night. Q What was the outcome of that? MS. MYERS: They're continuing to work toward some kind of an agreement on a jobs package. Q Is it your impression that Senator Dole is in any way flexible on this? MS. MYERS: Well, I think we're hopeful that we're going to get some kind of jobs package through the Senate, and we'll continue to work with Senator Dole and others until we reach some kind of an agreement. Q Did they discuss the VAT tax? MS. MYERS: I don't know if that came up. Q Can you check that? MS. MYERS: Sure. Q So what are they -- is the President offering to scale down his program -- is that what he's trying to do, buy it down to where Dole will sign on? MS. MYERS: Well, he's trying to protect as much of it as he can. But it's important to him to get some kind of a jobs package through the Senate and through Congress now. And as soon as we reach some conclusions on that, we'll let you know. But at the moment, he's continuing to consult with members of Congress including, obviously, Senator Dole. Q Is he talking to anybody else? MS. MYERS: I don't believe he talked to any other Republicans yesterday. Q Is he talking to anybody today? MS. MYERS: I don't think anything is scheduled, but I wouldn't rule it out. Q We were led to believe that the President called Mr. Dole on the subject of Russian aid and that Bob Dole brought the conversation around to stimulus package. Is that correct? MS. MYERS: I think the President has contacted several people on Russian aid. I think that it was always expected that the stimulus package or the jobs package will be part of any conversation he would have with Senator Dole. The primary objective of the conversation was Russian aid. That was the first order of business, but it was both. Q In the President's mind, are they linked politically in that if the Republicans continue to reject the stimulus package, he thinks it will be harder to sell Russian aid to the American people? Has he made that argument? MS. MYERS: I can't talk about specifically what arguments he might have made. The President is obviously committed to both. He liked to see a jobs package to the American people first. But as you know, we outlined the details of additional Russian aid last night in Tokyo. Q But does the President believe that the stimulus package will make it more difficult to persuade Americans to vote for Russian -- to accept a vote for Russian aid? MS. MYERS: I think that the President is going to continue to work to pass the stimulus package, to pass a jobs package, and we're still hopeful that we'll get some kind of jobs package through the Congress. Q Is it fair to say that the President is negotiating now with Dole? MS. MYERS: He's discussing options with him. Q On the stimulus, is it your understanding that over the break some Democrats, themselves, have left the support that they had earlier for the package, the stimulus package? MS. MYERS: I think we still have wide support in the Senate for the jobs package. Q But specifically, that you've lost Democrats other than Shelby? MS. MYERS: I don't believe so. There hasn't been a vote. Q What about Kohl? Q Kohl and Feingold? MS. MYERS: There hasn't been a vote yet. And we'll continue to work with senators to try to get a majority to try to bring the package to a vote, because we believe that a majority of the members of the United States Senate support the package. Q If you're weren't worried about Kohl and Feingold, why did George mention Milwaukee projects the other day? MS. MYERS: I think George pointed out a number of projects in a number of states that stand to be funded, or to lose funding if this jobs package doesn't pass. Q No Democrats. (Laughter.) MS. MYERS: I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Q Does he plan to talk to Dole again today or any other Republicans again today? MS. MYERS: There's nothing specifically scheduled, but again, I wouldn't rule it out. Q Does he plan to put out any more press releases to any other states today? MS. MYERS: What we've done is we're in the process of breaking down the benefits of the jobs package state by state. I think it's entirely feasible that as we sort of are able to sum those up, we'll send out press releases to the various states that suggest how their states would benefit from this package. Q Will you share those with us? MS. MYERS: Sure. As we did yesterday. Q Do you have copies of the ones you sent -- MS. MYERS: Yes, we made those available yesterday. And we certainly can continue to provide them today. Q Dee Dee, since yesterday's questions and subsequent stories about the VAT, what further consideration of this issue has been given? MS. MYERS: Nothing's changed since yesterday. I think the President commented on it this morning to say only that it was something he knew was being considered by the task force and that he has not made a decision on, and I don't think we have anything to add to that. Q But he also said that business and labor groups are telling him they support it. Can you tell us -- MS. MYERS: I think that there has been -- I'm not going to speculate on who supports it. I think the President said that there has been some support among business and labor groups. I don't think he said he was directly contacted by them. Q Are we to take that to mean that the administration has sounded out business and labor groups on this -- MS. MYERS: I think there's been plenty of public discourse on this over the years and even recently, but I don't think I want to add to that. Q In February, though, the President said that this was something to be considered 10 or 15 years down the road. What has happened between then and now to cause this administration to change its mind? MS. MYERS: I think as we said yesterday, it is something that the working groups are looking at. They're considering a wide variety of options on everything from funding to specific options that will be covered by the President's health care plan. The President has not taken it up yet, has not made a decision on it. And beyond that, I don't have anything to add. Q You haven't answered the question. It wasn't being considered by anyone in the White House after the President's comments in February, and George reaffirmed that in a briefing. Q And then suddenly -- Q What happened? MS. MYERS: The working groups, as we have said throughout, we instructed to consider a wide variety of options across-the-board. And one of the things that has been talked about and that they are clearly considering is some kind of a value-added tax. Q But the President himself took this off the table, Dee Dee, and suddenly it reappears. And this goes to the credibility of this administration in a way. What has happened in the meantime? MS. MYERS: The President has not looked at this, it hasn't been presented to him, again, yet. The working groups are looking at it, as they're looking at a wide variety of options, and no decisions have been made. Q And it raises the question of how independently the task force is working. MS. MYERS: The task force was instructed to consider all options, and they've taken that mandate seriously and they're considering all options. Q But that's not the impression that the President left in February. The impression he left was that this was something that was long-range, to be looked at 10, 15 years down the road. The clear implication of his remarks was that this was something that was not on the table, not an option. Q ""If it changes I'll tell you."" Q Bring him on. Q And you repeatedly referred to the President's remarks, telling us that those were still in operation. MS. MYERS: It's changed, and we told you. (Laughter.) Q But that's what Alice Rivlin's comments and Donna Shalala comments were about. I mean, that seemed like an orchestrated effort because you have two independent Cabinet officers -- MS. MYERS: I wouldn't -- no, Alice Rivlin's not a Cabinet member, first of all. Second of all, it was not orchestrated, but clearly, they both said yesterday and in the last couple of days that it's something that's being looked at. We confirmed that yesterday. And I don't have anything to add to that. Q Is it because he has very few options? Q Is this something that it will be incumbent upon the task force to convince the President about? In other words, has the President himself personally ruled it out and it's now up to the task force to convince him to put it back on the table? Or is it, in fact, back on the table, having been placed there by discussions with the President? MS. MYERS: It is not the working group's mission at this point to convince the President of anything. It is their mission to put before him his options and to explain the benefits and the costs and the basic pros and cons of each of those options. I think that they will certainly present the VAT to him in that context, and at this point he's not -- that presentation has not been made, but it's something that he will hear and he has not made a decision on. Q They will present it to him as one of his options, though he specifically ruled it out? MS. MYERS: Correct. Q Dee Dee, is this more than a trial balloon? Is this a serious consideration that the working groups are giving to this form of taxation? MS. MYERS: It's simply a statement of fact. The working groups are considering a wide variety of options on a number of issues relating to health care reform. One of the options that they're looking at is the VAT. Q Dee Dee, when the working groups were examining this possibility, was this on the table during the same time period that you were telling us that it was not? MS. MYERS: I don't know what the specific timing of their drafting of options is. I don't know. Q Who was telling you that it was not under consideration? MS. MYERS: I was referring back to the President's comments. Q Have they discovered that the sin taxes won't raise enough money to fund the core benefit package? MS. MYERS: No, there's no decisions that have been made on how to pay for the health care plan. Q I'm asking whether the projections -- MS. MYERS: There's a number of options depending on how the plan is structured. You can't decide how much the plan is going to cost until you decide what the plan is going to look like. And so you can't discuss what financing options have been ruled in our out until you know. Q Dee Dee, we've been told that they have a computer models on a number of possible packages. MS. MYERS: Correct. Q The question is whether they have now determined whether sin taxes would not produce enough money for even the barest minimum package. That is not a very difficult computation. MS. MYERS: It is a question that you know that we're not going to answer until -- there's a number of options being considered. It depends on how the package is structured. The exact details of the package and the financing mechanisms used to pay for them are all among the decisions that have yet to be made. Q And when the President has been meeting with health care -- his health care advisors, which we are told he has been doing -- MS. MYERS: Correct. Q they have never once said to him, these are your funding options, including the VAT? He has never heard the word VAT in his -- MS. MYERS: I am not going to comment on the specific nature of the daily -- they're not daily, but the quasi-regular briefings. Q Well, you have. MS. MYERS: I have not, other than to say that he's not considered the VAT. And I think that is a true statement. Q No, but you said that it has not been presented to him as an option. MS. MYERS: Correct. Q That doesn't mean he hasn't heard about it. MS. MYERS: I'm not going to get into the details of what's discussed. I think that statement stands for itself. Q specific, Dee Dee. When you say he hasn't looked at it, do you mean that he hasn't looked at it in terms of paying for medical coverage, or hasn't looked at it in general? Because back in Chilicothe he was very specific in defining how it works, what the advantages are, the whole thing. It sounds like -- MS. MYERS: But that was -- I think in Chilicothe, if you go back to his remarks there, it was a broader philosophical discussion of the tax structure. And I think the comments were generally in reference to the overall economic plan. But clearly, it's something that he's thought about in the broad context. I mean, that was clear in Chilicothe. What I'm saying is that in the process of the working groups it's something that he hasn't considered yet. It's something that the working groups will present to him among the number of options, and that no decisions have been made. And I'm not going to comment any further on the details of the meetings where health care issues are being discussed. Q It's your statement from this podium that no discussion of this has taken place. You say that no option -- that the option has not been presented to him. MS. MYERS: That is correct. Q Do you stand by -- does the White House still stand by George's statement in March that this will not be in the proposal? MS. MYERS: No decisions have been made. We have nothing to add to what's already been said. Q Let me follow up here. Do you stand by what Rivlin said yesterday, that if any kind of VAT were to be used or considered, that other changes to the tax code would have to be made so that it would be less regressive? MS. MYERS: I'm not going to comment any further on what might happen if. Q But do you stand by the previous conversations in February that if there were to be a VAT, I think the President said you'd exclude food and energy -- MS. MYERS: I'm not going to comment on the specific structure of a decision that hasn't been made. Q Was the President aware prior to Donna Shalala's comments yesterday that this was under consideration by the working groups? MS. MYERS: I don't know specifically what -- Q Could you check for us, because that's a real important credibility question? MS. MYERS: Sure. Q Since the task force was brought together this issue has been discussed, at the beginning and throughout, as one fairly painless way to raise a lot of money. Were you all kept in the dark? Was the Press Office kept in the dark over the past month and a half when you've been denying that a VAT tax would be considered that it was actually on the table over there as an option? MS. MYERS: I think we've said all that we have to say. It is something the working groups are looking at. The President has not made a decision about it yet. And beyond that, I have nothing to add. Q Well, sorry, Dee Dee, there are still a couple of questions that we are going to have to ask because we have a problem with credibility here -- yours primarily. What we're asking is, if you all were not told at all that this thing was being considered while you were coming out here and telling us that it was not, or if it's a case that you were coming out here and deliberately misleading us. MS. MYERS: I don't believe that anyone has ever come out here and deliberately misled you from this podium -- ever --ever. Q Has anyone tried to shade it a little bit to indicate something -- has anybody told anybody to come out -- MS. MYERS: We're not trying to shade answers or deliberately mislead anybody. I've said what I have to say about this issue. Q All we were trying to find out -- MS. MYERS: I understand what you're trying to find out and I've given you the answers, Helen. Q We're trying to find out what changed -- what made it an option again. That's the -- MS. MYERS: The working groups were given a broad mandate to investigate all options, and they are doing that. Q Yes, but it wasn't an option before. How can you investigate it if the President has taken it off the table? MS. MYERS: It is something that they're obviously considering and the President has not made a decision on. Q Yes, but he took it off the table in February. MS. MYERS: Working groups are considering it. They'll present it to the President at some point and he'll make a decision. Q Why would they consider it if he has taken it off the table? MS. MYERS: It's clearly on the table. Q Yes, but he took it off the table. Did he change his mind? MS. MYERS: It's back on the table, Bill. Q Did he change his mind? MS. MYERS: He said this morning that he hasn't made a decision about it. He obviously knows that it's on the table. It's something that he will look at at some and when we have a decision on this we'll let you know. Q So he must have changed his mind, right? MS. MYERS: At some point it will be looked at. I mean, -- Q Dee Dee, there's like two options -- either he changed his mind or the working groups think they're authority exceeds the President's. MS. MYERS: The working groups were given a broad mandate to look at all options; they've done that. Q Are you going to put out his income tax? MS. MYERS: Yes, there will be something available on his income tax probably later this afternoon. His return will be available. Q Will there be any kind of briefing to go through it? MS. MYERS: No, nothing's planned. I think someone will be available, probably not in a briefing setting, but to walk you through the questions. Q We're used to be walked line-by-line through the presidential tax forms. MS. MYERS: I've seen those briefings. (Laughter.) Q Could we have one? MS. MYERS: No, I don't think there will be any kind of a formal briefing, but there will be somebody available to answer your questions about it. Q Did they file a joint form? MS. MYERS: Yes. Q When did he file it? MS. MYERS: I believe it's being filed today. Q Dee Dee, is there going to be a backgrounder for Miyazawa? MS. MYERS: No, there will be a readout after the meeting. Q No backgrounder today? MS. MYERS: No backgrounder today. Q This is complicated stuff. We need help. (Laughter.) MS. MYERS: We can't give you taxes and Miyazawa all in one day, it's too confusing. (Laughter.) Q Vance and Owen have opened the doors on the use of force in Bosnia. They've both said that, A, they never ruled it out, and B, it might be necessary now. Does that influence your thinking on whether or not to change your approach? MS. MYERS: There's been no change in our policy towards Bosnia. We have always said that we'd consider -- Q But does that impact upon your decision? Are they people whose opinions would carry weight with you? MS. MYERS: They're people whose opinions carry weight certainly. I mean, the President supports the process that they've initiated. But there's been no change in our policy for Bosnia, although we're considering a number of options right now. If the Serbs don't come back to the negotiating table, if they don't sign on to some kind of an agreement, we will consider additional options, which we've been saying regularly. Q One follow-up question then? We cannot get a straight answer from anyone in the administration. Why do you not set a deadline for the Serbs? Can you tell us the strategic or tactical reasons for not giving them a deadline to come to the table? MS. MYERS: We're continuing to put pressure on them every day. Q Which doesn't work so -- MS. MYERS: Well, we think it is having some effect. We're going to continue to tighten sanctions. As you know, we support the omnibus resolution. We expect that to come to a vote on the 26th. Q You say it's having an effect -- can you give us any documentation? MS. MYERS: I'd be happy to provide somebody to talk to you about the impact of the sanctions and things like that. Q There's been no -- you have not been able to provide anybody who can tell us that the sanctions have had any effect in Bosnia. Serbia, yes; in Bosnia, no. MS. MYERS: I think that they've had effect in Serbia and we think they've had some effect in Bosnia. And again, I'll be happy to provide somebody to walk you through the details of that, if you'd like. Q We would like to hear from someone who can show us what the effect has been in Bosnia. We had the briefing on all of the terrible things that are happening in Belgrade, but we haven't seen anything that indicates an impact on the fighting. Can you provide something along those lines? MS. MYERS: I will see what I can get you. Q On the extra Russian aid that Christopher announced this morning -- where is that money coming from? MS. MYERS: We'll have to work with Congress on the details of that package. Q So that would be new money that you would hope to get? MS. MYERS: Yes, that's new money, in addition to the $1.6 billion announced in Vancouver. So I assume that you all have seen the $1.8-billion package that was announced this morning in Tokyo by Secretary Christopher. Q Isn't there a concern, though, about offering something which you have to get in Congress? I mean, that was the concern with Vancouver; you didn't want to do that. MS. MYERS: The concern with Vancouver was to do something immediately, which required money that was already approved in the Fiscal '93 budget. What we're looking at now is a little bit longer-term plan to build on top of the $1.6 billion that we announced in Vancouver. This clearly will require congressional approval, or some of it will anyway, and we're going to continue to work with Congress to make that happen. Q To what extent has that been vetted or agreed to by Congress? MS. MYERS: The President has had a number of conversations with members and will continue to work with them as this process moves forward. Q Was Christopher able to put this package out with a fair degree of understanding that you will be able to get it through Congress? MS. MYERS: It was created in consultation with Congress. Q In meeting with the law enforcement officials, is that -- does that have a set speech and a goal? A direction? MS. MYERS: Yes, the President will talk about -- and the law enforcement organizations are endorsing the President's jobs package. They believe particularly the summer jobs package will help give kids something to do. Q Who are they? MS. MYERS: It's members or leadership from three organizations: NAPO, which is the National Association of Police Organizations; IBPO, which is the International Brotherhood of Police Organizations, I believe; and IUPA, which is the International Union of Police Associations. Q Will the FBI chief be there? MS. MYERS: The FBI chief? No. Q Or any other federal law enforcement officials? MS. MYERS: No, it will be the President and these national law enforcement organization leaders. Q Does the $1.8 billion announced today include the $400 million that's in the FY '94 budget for disarmament? MS. MYERS: No. The Nunn-Lugar money is separate. Q So this would be the $700 million that's in the budget already, plus another $1.1 billion? MS. MYERS: I believe all of this is on top of the $700 million already in the budget. Q Is this going to be part of the supplemental or Fiscal '94 -- MS. MYERS: We'll work with Congress on the exact funding mechanism -- on exactly how this will be paid for. Q This $1.8 billion on top of -- MS. MYERS: On top of $700 million -- on top of the $400 million Nunn-Lugar money we announced earlier. Q And this is what prompted the President to call Bob Dole -- it was on this tranche, not on the previous money he was calling Bob Dole? MS. MYERS: Correct. Q Is there a briefing on Miyazawa? MS. MYERS: There will be a readout after the meeting with Miyazawa. Tomorrow. Q Dee Dee, on a totally unrelated matter, some Republicans who are active in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are complaining about this new cozy relationship between the White House and the Chamber of Commerce. There are -- the town hall meeting the other night, the satellite and all of this relationship. Does the White House feel that you're getting too close to these Chambers of Commerce? MS. MYERS: That's an interesting charge. (Laughter.) After how many years of Democrats being accused of not paying any attention to the Chambers, now there are those who would accuse us of being too close. I think that's interesting. But no, we're thrilled by the support we've received from the national Chamber and local Chambers across the country and we'll continue to work with them on this and other initiatives. Q What's the status of the President thinking about going to this Democratic retreat? MS. MYERS: It's on his calendar. I think he'll almost certainly go. Q All three days? MS. MYERS: We haven't figured out exactly when he'll be there yet. Q Is it open to coverage? MS. MYERS: No, I believe the whole thing is closed. Q Is he going to have any kind of address, statement, anything at all on the gay rights march on the 25th? MS. MYERS: We're still looking at that. We haven't made a final decision about how we'll -- who will make a statement or what -- Q Any meetings scheduled with any of the leaders? MS. MYERS: Nothing is scheduled, but I wouldn't rule it out. Q What about an AIDS czar? MS. MYERS: It's coming. Q Anything on the weekend? Q There's been a suggestion that he's going to this retreat to avoid having to participate in the gay rights -- or appear or have any involvement in the gay rights march. MS. MYERS: No, I think this is something he's been discussing for a long time -- appearing at the Senate Democratic retreat. Q The weekend? MS. MYERS: Weekend? Don't know -- the only thing on right now is the radio address on Saturday. Q Any travel plans? MS. MYERS: If it changes -- none right now. Q He's not going to be off campaigning for his stimulus package? MS. MYERS: No specific plans right now. Q What about mid-week? Anything likely? MS. MYERS: It's possible. Yes, I think it's likely that we'll travel next week -- certainly the weekend. Q Has he called Thurmond about his daughter? MS. MYERS: I don't know. I'll check. Q Going to name a drug czar this weekend? MS. MYERS: This weekend? I don't believe so. Q And the radio address on Saturday -- is that going to be focused on the stimulus package? MS. MYERS: I'm sure it will. THE PRESS: Thank you. END10:10 A.M. EDT " 6973,13,"From: mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) Subject: Thrush ((was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?))) Organization: San Diego State University Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsvax.sdsu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 In article , aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldri writes... >dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: > etc. ... > >Dyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's >often practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of >non-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal >evidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person, >but it's still no more than a guess. >It's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those >people who don't respond. > Dyer is beyond rude. There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook. For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics. My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. * Mike McCurdy * University Computing Services Disclaimer: * San Diego State University * mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu ""Everything I say may be wrong"" " 6974,12,"From: jkaidor@synoptics.com (Jerome Kaidor) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Qu Reply-To: jkaidor@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: picasso.synoptics.com Just a few comments about the feasability of zipping up a bunch of miles on your electronic odometer with an oscillator.... I wouldn't expect to be able to do this. Not because the engineers at BMW are putting in anti-fraud logic, but just because an automobile is a noisy, hostile environment for electronics, and I would expect the software to be conservative. If I were to design a microprocessor-based odometer/speedometer program, it would have the following features ( just off the top of my head ): * Debouncing/deglitching ( Is this a real pulse, or just a glitch? ) * Smoothing: The rate-of-change of speed cannot be too high: This is a car, not an electron. * Top speed limit: Anything above 200MPH is ridiculous: must be electrical noise or contact bounce As for getting in and presetting the pins: if this is the circuit board out of a BMW dashboard, I seem to remember a single big chip with lotsa pins in the middle of the card. Good luck getting at the counter :-). I wouldn't expect a high input frequency to damage the meter: remember, it's probably damped so it can't move too fast, and is probably protected. After all, a car is an extremely hostile place for delicate electronics; there used to be an app note in the National Semiconductor Linear Databook that went into this in good detail. - Jerry Kaidor ( tr2!jerry@dragoman.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com ) - Jerry Kaidor " 6975,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 28 In article , Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes: |> final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph .... |> from the other direction. |> |> I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off |> the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front |> tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral |> imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have |> swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back |> home, but I haven't seen it since. |> Same thing to me. Everyday the same dog would chase my bicycle. The owners thought it was cute. Even after I got the moto, the stupid dog would do the same thing. Then one day, I was coming home in the opposite lane...the fluff with teeth ran to get me and played momentum sharing with a 73 Dodge pick. The owners tried to blame me for driving down street when I did. I lived in a wierd town. ============================================================================= = The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= = Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = = (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = = Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces! = ============================================================================= " 6976,1,From: aad@scr.siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri) Subject: Re: Nice gif code Nntp-Posting-Host: lovecraft.siemens.com Organization: Siemens Weyland-Yutani Lines: 7 >There is a thing called xgif xgif is the grandfather of XV. -- ======================================================================8--< 6977,19,"Subject: Re: Christians above the Law? was Clarification of pe From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) Distribution: world Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: pharvey@quack.kfu.com's message of 18 Apr 1993 18:31:38 UTCLines: 87 Lines: 87 > When are we going to hear a Christian answer to this question? > > In paraphrase: > > On what or whose authority do Christians proclaim that they > are above the Law and above the Prophets (7 major and 12 minor) and not > accountable to the Ten Commandments of which Jesus clearly spoke His opinion > in Matthew 5:14-19? What is the source of this pseudo-doctrine? Who is > the pseudo-teacher? Who is the Great Deceiver? OK, here's at least one Christian's answer: Jesus was a JEW, not a Christian. In this context Matthew 5:14-19 makes sense. Matt 5:17 ""Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill."" Jesus lived under the Jewish law. However, He was the culmination of the promises of the Prophets. He came to *fulfill* the prophecies and fully obey God's purposes. Verse 18 says ""For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished."" The key to this verse IMHO is the last phrase. Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, ""accomplished"" what the Law was supposed to accomplish. Verse 19: ""Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."" Taken in the context of Jesus teaching Jewish people about living lives under the law, this makes sense. In general, it appears that Jesus is responding to some criticism he must have received about ""doing away with the Law."" That was not Jesus' intent at all. He had come to earth to live the Law as it should be lived and fulfill the promises made by God to his people all the way back to Eve [Gen 3:15-The serpent will bruise your heel, but *He* will bruise his head.] Jesus appeared to be ""doing away with the Law"" because he did not honor the traditions of men as equal to the Law of God. He regularly locked horns with the religious leaders of the day because he would not conform to *their* rules, only God's Law. In the Matthew passage Jesus is defending his dedication to the Law and defending himself against his accusors. Almost the entire Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is dedicated to helping the Jewish people understand the true intent of the Law, sweeping away the clutter which had been introduced by the Pharasees and their traditions. In Galatians 3:23-26, Paul describes the relationship of Jesus to the Law in this way: [23] But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [24] Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. [26] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. I believe this says that after Christ was revealed, the Law had served it's purpose, i.e. ""our tutor to lead us to Christ,"" and now, ""we are no longer under a tutor."" The law has been ""fulfilled"" as Christ said he would do. God, the author of the old Law, and the Christ/Man, Jesus, are the same personality. Therefore, the old Law and the new Testament (the ""last will and testament"" of Jesus) are based on the same moral principles. It makes sense that many of the principles in the old Law are re-expressed in Christianity. On the other hand, now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and Christians relate to God through Christ, not the Law, it also makes sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to represent the ""mysteries"" of this new relationship. i.e. Baptism representing Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-8), The Lord's supper as a memorial to His sacrifice (I Cor. 11:26), and Sunday as a day of worship commemorating His resurrection (Matt 28:1ff, Acts 20:7) OK, That's one Christian's explanation. I don't claim to have all these issues completely settled even in my own mind and I welcome other Christians to offer other alternatives. Please excuse the long posting. Thanks for your interest if you have read this far... John Nunnally Nunnally@acs.Harding.edu " 6978,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 26 In article <1r1439$c9t@access.digex.net> steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes: > >Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) writes: >> Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to >> play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov, >> and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not >> the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly >> in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the >> New York Rangers. > >What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC? >I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for >Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play >for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed >the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the >Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could >they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield? > Obviously, it is ultimately the teams choice...the NHL would obviously prefer not to annoy the European hockey federations, but the NHL right now cannot force NHL teams to free their players...the Whalers probably did it this way so as to not annoy their farm team affiliate. Gerald " 6979,12,From: v064mb9k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) Subject: Need diode model for PSpice Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 15 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Im designing a circuit with just a silicon diode. I dont need to modify any of the parameters. But the problem will not accept the following statement .model diode D The pspice book I have is terrible. I would appreciate any help. Neil Gandler _____________________________________________________________________________ Gandler Electronics Home Automation & electronic design technology _____________________________________________________________________________ 6980,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.200446.7553 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: >Messier is a joke this year - bad back not withstanding. His play is >the reason the Rangers will be on the golf course in a couple of weeks. >Gartner is my choice - the guy works his butt off every game. > >Kovalev - no surprise. He's played adequately but as bad defensively Kovalev is too talented a player to play for Roger Nielson...Roger needs players who can't think for themselves and can only skate in straight lines up and down the ice. Dudley and Nielson are the only two coaches bad enough in the league to take talents like Mogilny and Kovalev and not know how to turn them into Bure and Selanne. >as was predicted in preseason. Perhaps he'll pull an Alex Mogilny in >a couple of years and surprise us then. Zubov wasn't expected to make >it out of the minors this season and owing to the number of injuries, >has proved to be a very pleasant surprise. > Get Muckler as coach, and Kovalev will look like Mogilny. The trouble with the Rangers is that Neil Smith went out and got players like Messier, Kovalev, and Graves who have been schooled in taking the game to their opponent and attacking, while hiring coaches who are interested in ""rope-a-dope"" strategies. If you want the Roger Nielsons of the world to be your coach you don't go out and get a Mark Messier, who is an old dog who can't learn new tricks from a known loser, and you don't waste your draft picks on players like Kovalev. Gerald Gerald " 6981,16,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: my reply to NY Times editorial ""Dear Member of the NRA"" Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 32 In <1993Apr20.004532.23086@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes: >as a legal gun owner, I must disagree. Even when I don't see eye- >to-eye with the N.R.A. on a particular issue, they are the only >national group which has effectively fought for my rights to target >shoot, hunt, and protect myself from dangerous criminals. One more time. It ain't about duck hunting. It ain't about lone perps on lonely streets. It's about DEFENDING OUR RIGHTS from the *GOVERNMENT*, which has seen fit to ignore history and attempt once again to take them from us. They WILL SUCCEED if we don't do something NOW. That's why I think the NRA is a bunch of WEENIES, because they have FORGOTTEN that fundamental fact. Pardon all my shouting, but there seem to be a whole helluva lot of people on Condition White, fat, dumb, and happy, sucking that glass teat for all they're worth.... Wake up and smell the cordite, gang, they're shooting at us, and it's high time we shot back, at least with our keyboards..... my two bits' Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) fly your flags at half staff and upside down, to mourn and protest the death of the BoR. " 6982,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 5 The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's finished writing a sequel to the Bible. mathew " 6983,12,"From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 63 In article , alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: > In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >>most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and >>nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks. >> >> >>My question is: >> >> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. >> >> >>I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part >>numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help! > > Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp > out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big > clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact > bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching > transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving? > > Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-) As a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer the circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary opening and closing of the path. The noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high impedance audio circuits a resistive ""T"" is constructed close to characteristic impedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers the audio. In low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are shorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic impedance. Sometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used to momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time. Telephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to ""Make before break and Vica Versa"" but I haven't seen any of these for years. Nowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc. A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers passing the audio. Once again this device in a ""T"" switches the audio. Varying the lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and you have a mixer! Lots of luck! -- 73, Tom ================================================================================ Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) ================================================================================ " 6984,4,"From: Earl D. Fife Subject: Re: DayStar again ... X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:21:14 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.42 Organization: Calvin College X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 30 In article Bill Johnston, johnston@me.udel.edu writes: > >I'm going to buy a DayStar 68040 with 25 MHz for the SE/30. Since there > >were so many mails about problems with this board, my questions: > >does the board work with 7.1 and A/UX 3.0 ? Does anybody know problems > >with any kind of software ? > > Well, I haven't seen any reports of problems with the Turbo '040, > but to my knowledge, Daystar has not released a version of the > board that works with anything but the IIsi and IIci, and they > have not finished tweaking/testing for use with A/UX. This may > not happen until the A/UX 3.0.2 upgrade is released (my guess) so > I'd recommend waiting or buying the 50 MHz '030 board and upgrade > later when A/UX compatibility is assured. Turbo '040 interface > cards for the II, IIx, SE/30, IIcx, etc will probably be available > sooner, but if A/UX compatibility is a requirement, it is probably > best to be patient and let someone else be the pioneer. ;-) An added advantate of waiting for the DayStar for the SE/30 is that, just as with the '030 power cache, the '040 accelerator will plug into the CPU socket, leaving the PDS slot free for a video card or ethernet card. With DayStar's upgrade path, it's a no lose situation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College (616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 ========================================================================= " 6985,17,"From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 24 In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes: >> Problem 1 >> >> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the >> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary >> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. >> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, >> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third >> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were >> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from >> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the >massacre. >> > >Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 > I thought the implication was that the prince destroyed one fourth of the remaining Persian troops on the second round, and then 1/11 of those remaining on the third round. This would mean Answer: a*(1 - 1/2)*(1 - 1/4)*(1 - 1/11) = 280 --> a = 821.333 " 6986,9,"Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) Organization: /etc/organization Nntp-Posting-Host: boucher.harvard.edu In-reply-to: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 16:19:23 GMT Lines: 41 In article , David Robert Walker writes: > In article <8994@blue.cis.pitt.edu> traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes: >>One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the >>split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. > I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or > even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds > identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and > even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot > more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, > Gordon). I wouldn't give baserunning that much value. The above effect is clear, but there are other effects as well. If Olerud hits a double, any runner on first will score; if Alomar legs an extra base onto a hit in the gap, the runner on first may need to hold at third. Thus Olerud's doubles have more advancement value than Alomar's. (Of course, Alomar is more likely to score after hitting a double.) Another reason not to give too much extra value to baserunning is that the runs created formulas work for very fast and very slow teams. No team in the 1950's ran much, but some teams certainly had faster players than others. Still, the current runs created formulas work just as well in the 1950's for all teams. Bill James gives the 1955-1958 Senators as an example. They used Harmon Killebrew regularly as a pinch runner, and in 1957, stole 13 bases with 38 times caught stealing. Yet they scored slightly more runs than predicted by Runs Created. -- David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu ""We are sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary."" ""Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."" Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me. " 6987,14,"From: oreilly@olivia.la.asu.edu (Tom O'Reilly) Subject: Russian Phobos Mission Organization: Mars Observer TES Project, ASU, Tempe AZ Distribution: sci.space Lines: 11 Yes, the Phobos mission did return some useful data including images of Phobos itself. The best I've seen had a surface resolution of about 40 meters. By the way, the new book entitled ""Mars"" (Kieffer et al, 1992, University of Arizona Press) has a great chapter on spacecraft exploration of the planet. The chapter is co-authored by V.I. Moroz of the Space Research Institute in Moscow, and includes details never before published in the West. Don't know of any ftp sites with images though. Tom O'Reilly Department of Geology Arizona State University " 6988,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: VIPER Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper. I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge, and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket. Wierd dream, I wonder what it means.... Roy. " 6989,2,"From: ken@austin.ibm.com Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Originator: ken@daedalus.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 50 In article , ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: > In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes: > > >Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a > >multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't > >seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person, > >and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an > >implentation of simultaneuos use though. > > Since running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a > fair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense > of sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so > one could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have > to be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how > things are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are > taking over from the old cpu-terminal setups. > > Note that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and > run character-based apps but you can't run the GUI. (Yeah, I know > about X-Windows, just haven't been too impressed by it...).. > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala > Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach > Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! I read this in an electronic ""magazine"" about NT: ""And for all the hoopla about NT, one would think the thing would be multi-user but it's not. It supports only one user at a time. It can support multiple clients but only one actual user."" Your mileage may vary! -- THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS. ------------------------------------------------------------------ ""I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave the store, mam"" Ash, AoD ================================================================== " 6990,5,"From: humesdg1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Dave Humes) Subject: xwd segmentation fault Keywords: xwd X11 Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory Lines: 22 I was planning to use the following pipe to move some display data to a system that has a color hardcopy unit: xwd | xwud -display hostname:0.0 I had tested it with some simple windows like the OpenWindows file manager, and it worked fine, but when I tried it with a more complex (larger) image, the xwd part blew up with a segmentation fault. I tried it without the pipe, by redirecting xwd's output to a file and then used the file as input to xwud and got the same error from xwud. If I had to guess, it seems like it's running out of memory, but this happened on a SPARC 10 with 64 megs, 128 meg swap space, and only one user with minimal activity. The file was about 3 MB. This verion of xwd/xwud was supplied with the Sun OpenWindows 3.0 distribution which I believe corresponds to X11 R4. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Humes | Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (410) 792-6651 | humesdg1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 6991,2,"From: ekalenda@netcom.com (Edward J Kalenda) Subject: Re: overlapped window without a title bar Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 18 From article <1rc07h$ern@olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com>, by manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das): > > I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc) > The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another > child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of > it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do > I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings. > I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening > is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes > behild it's siblings. The window is probobly on top but the lower windows are drawing over it. Try using WS_CLIPSIBLING to keep the lower siblings from drawing on the top sibling's space. -- Ed ekalenda@netcom.COM " 6992,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: MacPGP 2.2 Source Problems Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 19 Yes -- my error -- you will need the DIFF between the standard console.h and console.c supplied with Symantec's THINK C 5.0.4 and the specially modified one that works with MacPGP 2.2. I added the two DIFFs to the end of the signature file ""MacPGP2.2srcSIGNATURE"" in pub/grady of netcom.com Please download via anonymous FTP and, using SED (oops), cutting and pasting, fix-em-up. Will one of you Mac-geniuses PLEASE port this to MacApp or AppMaker, or...? Grady -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 6993,17,"From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) Subject: Go Hizbollah II! Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: purple.cc.utexas.edu Organization: University of Texas @ Austin Lines: 28 From Israel Line, Thursday, April 22, 1993: Today's HA'ARETZ reports that three women were injured when a Katyusha rocket fell in the center of their community. The rocket was one of several dozen fired at the communities of the Galilee in northern Israel yesterday by the terrorist Hizbullah organization [...] In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) wrote: Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. Apparently, the Hizbollah were encouraged by Brad's cheers (good job, Brad). Someone forgot to tell them, though, that Brad asks them to place only Israeli _sons_ in the grave, not daughters. Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's holding to the security zone. Noam " 6994,5,"From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: Changing dpy->max_request_size ? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones) writes: mcclenne@dingdong.cis.upenn.edu (nennelccM nodroG) writes: <> <>Does anyone out there know how to change the maximum request size for <>a server < From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) TD>Organization: CDAC, WA TD>What TD>is a good choice for a CB? 1/4 or 1/8 wave? TD> I read the installation instructions on a 1/4 wave antenna, TD>and they suggested that I use an SWR to tune it at channel 12 TD>and channel 32 for a minimum reading. Question is, why channel TD>12 and 32? The best antenna is one that will let out the most wave (probably not the best explanation, but the rest makes sense) A one wave will cancell itself out (BTW no such beastie) . The best is a 1/2 wave antenna, followed by 1/4, then 1/8 etc. As for SWRing in, what you actually do is trim the antenna to the correct length for the specific wavelength you will be transmitting on. Since the wavelength varies with the channel you use, then it's recommended to SWR in using the middle channel of those you are going to use. Anyway in the beginning of CB's, all new antennas had to be SWR'ed in, nowdays manufactures trim the antennas almost spot on, so that there's not much point in SWRing. Then again you may be a fanatic and whish to do it anyway. Cheers Peter T. " 6996,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: :glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes: :>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, :>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming :>houses and violating civil rights under color of law. :> :>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? : :Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the :snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the :name of 'self defense.' Well, the count is now at least 86 dead by government action. How many have been killed in the last year in the manner you described? What, no facts? Oh, how silly of me; I forgot, you don't like guns, so you don't need no stinkin' facts. :Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter. Don't get too smug, Mr. gun-hater. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 6997,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 In-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400 Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers Lines: 102 denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes: Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip Hmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is derived deterministically from this serial number. That means that there are only one billion possible unit keys. To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. Hmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial number N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2 is an intentional way of assuring a ""fail safe"" for the government -- U is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. If S1 and S2 do not change they constitute effective ""master keys"" (along with F), the theft of which (or the possession of which by various authorities) completely obviates the security of the system. However, more interestingly, we know, for a fact that if S1 and S2 are fixed no matter what the keyspace for U is no more than 2^30. Why not pick U1 and U2 at random? Why this interesting restriction of they key space if it NOT to provide an additional back door? I find it disturbing that at the very best my security is dependant on approximately 30 bytes worth of information that could be written on the back of a napkin. Even if S1 and S2 change periodically, the rationale behind this restriction in the size of the keyspace seems strange if one is assuming that the goal is security -- and makes perfect sense if the goal is an illusion of security. If S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if they can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key/serial number pairs. We are assured that this cannot happen -- but no one understands how Skipjack works outside of government officials and, soon, foreign intelligence services that gain the information via espionage. Presumably we will eventually have the information as well -- reverse engineering gets more and more advanced every year -- but by the time we know it may be too late. As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent 2 takes the second disk. The third disk is used to program the chips. After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional assurance that no information is left behind. None of this makes me feel the least bit secure. The silly notion of ""destroying the laptop"" appears to be yet another bizarre distraction. We all know that you can't read data from DRAM that has been turned off for more than a few moments. On the other hand, what we don't know is why there is a need to generate the unit keys from S1 and S2 in the first place other than to weaken the system. We don't know if the agents in question would resist a million in cash a piece for their information -- its probably worth hundreds of million, so you can make the bribe arbitrarily hard to resist. And to tell you the truth, doing this in a ""vault"" rather than in Joe Random Tempest-shielded Room with a laptop computer seems like melodrama designed to make high-school dropouts from Peoria impressed -- but it does very little for most of the rest of us. The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2, and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to the escrow agencies. What would this provide? Lets say the escrow agencies are the ACLU and the NRA and their agents personally take back the disks and are always honest. Who cares? The NSA must be laughing out loud, because they have the algorithm to regenerate U given N and likely don't need to steal they keys as they effectively already have them. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 6998,14,"From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) Subject: Re: Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: rdl1@ukc.ac.uk's message of 16 Apr 93 14:28:07 GMT In article <3918@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> rdl1@ukc.ac.uk (R.D.Lorenz) writes: >Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks >for sounding rockets? Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the tanks big enough. Our sounding rocket payload, with telemetry, guidance, etc. etc. and a telescope cluster, weighs around 1100 pounds. It uses freon jets for steering and a pulse-width-modulated controller for alignment (ie during our eight minutes in space, the jets are pretty much continuously firing on a ~10% duty cycle or so...). The jets also need to kill residual angular momentum from the spin stabilization, and flip the payload around to look at the Sun. We have two freon tanks, each holding ~5 liters of freon (I'm speaking only from memory of the last flight). The ground crew at WSMR choose how much freon to use based on some black-magic algorithm. They have extra tank modules that just bolt into the payload stack. This should give you an idea of the order of magnitude for cold gas quantity. If you really need to know, send me email and I'll try to get you in touch with our ground crew people. Cheers, Craig -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! " 6999,14,"From: abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab Distribution: sci Lines: 18 In article , ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes... >There has been something bothering me while watching >NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say >bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When >they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget >exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think) >""Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected >errors. ..."". I am wondering what an ""expected error"" might >be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous pre-launch ops would qualify. Something like ""Caution: SRBs have just been armed."" It does raise an interesting question as to how hard it is to pick out an Expected Error from an Unexpected Error in the heat of the moment. " 7000,4,"From: mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) Subject: LC III NuBus Capable? Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Forgive me if this has been asked before... but here goes: My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? Much obiliged, Marvin +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MMILLER@GARNET.MSEN.COM | ""The more I deal with hearing | | Editor-in-Chief/Co-Publisher of | people, the more I understand | | The Deaf Michigander | terrorism."" | | $22 a year for 11"" by 17"" | -Marvin | | monthly newspaper | | | (E-mail me for a complimentary | Above quote does not apply to | | copy today!) | all hearing people, though. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 7001,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Given the massacre of the Muslim population of Karabag by Armenians... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Lines: 124 In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; >ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that >SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS >tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of >CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. And the 'Turkish Karabag' is next. As for 'Cyprus', In 1974, Turkiye stepped into Cyprus to preserve the lives of the Turkish population there. This is nothing but a simple historical fact. Unfortunately, the intervention was too late at least for some of the victims. Mass graves containing numerous bodies of women and children already showed what fate had been planned for a peaceful minority. The problems in Cyprus have their origin in decades of oppression of the Turkish population by the Greek Cypriot officials and their violation of the co-founder status of the Turks set out in the constitution. The coup d'etat engineered by Greece in 1974 to execute a final solution to the Turkish problem was the savage blow that invoked Turkiye's intervention. Turkiye intervened reluctantly and only as a last resort after exhausting all other avenues consulting with Britain and Greece as the other two signatories to the treaty to protect the integrity of Cyprus. There simply was not any expansionist motivation in the Turkish action at all. This is in dramatic contrast to the Greek motivation which was openly expansionist, stated as 'Enosis,' union with Greece. Since the creation of independent Cyprus in 1960, the Turkish population, although smaller, legally had status as the co-founder of the republic with the Greek population. The Greek Cypriots, with the support of 'Enosis'-minded Greeks in the mainland, have consistently ignored that status and portrayed the Island as a Greek island with a minority population of Turks. The Turks of Cyprus are not a minority in a Greek Republic and they found the only way they could show that was to assert their autonomy in a separate republic. Turkiye is not satisfied with the status quo. She would rather not be involved with the island. But, given the dismal record of brutal Greek oppression of the Turkish population in Cyprus, she simply cannot leave the fate of the island's Turks in the hands of the Greeks until the Turkish side is satisfied with whatever accord the two communities finally reach to guarantee that history will not repeat itself to rob Turkish Cypriots of their rights, liberties and their very lives. Source: 'Cyprus: The Tale Of An Island,' A. H. Rizvi, p. 42 21-12-1963 Throughout Cyprus ""Following the Greek Cypriot premeditated onslaught of 21 December, 1963, the Turkish Sectors all over Cyprus were completely besieged by Greeks; all telephonic, telegraphic and postal communications between these sectors were cut off and the Turkish Cypriot Community's contact with each other and with the outside world was thus prevented."" 21-12-63 -- 31-12-63 Turkish Quarter of Nicosia and suburbs ""Greek Cypriot armed elements broke into hundreds of Turkish homes and fired at the unarmed occupants with automatic weapons killing at random many Turks, including women, children and elderly persons (51 Turks were killed and 82 wounded). They also carried away as hostages more than 700 Turks, including women and children, whom they forced to walk bare-footed and in night-dresses across rough fields and river beds."" 21-12-63 -- 12-12-64 Throughout Cyprus ""The Greek Cypriot Administration deprived Turkish Cypriots including Ministers, MPs, and Turkish members of the Public services of the republic, of their right to freedom of movement."" In his report No. S/6102 of 12 December, 1964 to the Security Council, the UN Secretary-General stated in this respect the following: ""Restrictions on the free movement of civilians have been one of the major features of the situation in Cyprus since the early stages of the disturbances, these restrictions have inflicted considerable hardship on the population, especially the Turkish Cypriot Community, and have kept tension high."" 25-9-1964 -- 31-3-1968 Throughout Cyprus ""Supply of petrol was completely denied to the Turkish sections."" Makarios Addresses UN Security Council On 19 July 1974 After being Ousted by the Greek Junta Coup ""In the beginning I wish to express my sincere thanks to all the members of the Security Council for the great interest they have shown in the critical situation which has been created in Cyprus after the coup organized by the military regime in Greece and carried out by the Greek army officers who were serving in the National Guard and were commanding it. [..] 13-3-1975 On the road travelling to the South to the freedom of the North ""A Turkish woman was seriously wounded and her four-month old baby was riddled with bullets from an automatic weapon fired by a Greek Cypriot mobile patrol which had ambushed the car in which the mother and her baby were travelling to the Turkish region. The baby died in her mother's arms. This wanton murder of a four-month-old baby, which shocked foreign observers as much as the Turkish Community, was not committed by irresponsible persons, but by members of the Greek Cypriot security forces. According to the mother's statement the Greek police patrol had chased their car and deliberately fired upon it."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7002,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: inet Lines: 84 Andrew Molitor (amolitor@nmsu.edu) wrote: : : 1) Monitor my phonecalls. : 2) Monitor usenet. : 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. : 4) etc etc. : : This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't : know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost : all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', : your claims about the NSA border on paranoia. : : Andrew Now I wouldn't be the one to claim that you are injecting some disinformation into the net, Andrew, but 'paranoia' refers to unwarranted or excessive suspicions or fear, not those that have reasonable roots. Let's start with looking at the professionals, the NSA itself. Its birth was by secret executive order by Harry S Truman in 1952. Until even 1976 not even one word of this executive order chartering the NSA was sealed. Paranoia, right? On the outside of the NSA complex is a ten foot Cyclone fence with multiple rows of barbed wire, with high voltage, complete with signs prohibiting even making sketches under penalty of the Internal Security Act. The area is completely scanned by closed circuit television. More paranoia. These are professionals, Maybe they know something we don't, eh? Do you think it would have helped Admiral Yamamoto if the Japanese had been a little more 'paranoid' of their purple cipher? Or maybe the Germans should have been a little more 'paranoid' about their Engima with respect to Turing and the British. How about the cracking of the Zimmerman telegram? Would a little more paranoia have helped the Germans here? Maybe the NSA should have been a little more 'paranoid' about Emma Woikin, or Joseph Sidney Petersen, Jr., or ... Maybe you want to talk about Macmillan publishers cooperation with the CIA and NSA to suppress Yardley's Japanese Diplomatic Secrets or even Kahn's The Codebreakers.. paranoia, right? The most popular cipher systems in captured soviet spies was the one-time pad, even with the necessity of keeping incriminating evidence about, is known to be the only proven unbreakable system. Soviet paranoia, right? And what do you think the NSA does with its Wullenwebers? And huge Rhombics pointed embassy row? And their sites near satellite uplink and downlink sites? Duh. When I worked in a classified MITRE communications lab at one time even with a ""secret"" clearance I had to be escorted to the toilet and the entire site was built INTO a Mosler-type vault with *very* thick bomb-proof door. MITRE paranoia? I could cite probably a hundred more facts which all support, as best hypothesis, the notion that the NSA is grabbing as much as it can, as fast as it can. One would be a fool to ignore the pattern of facts and conclude that they were random... And we know the government is violent -- even against children as recent events prove. Judge William Sessions is a disgrace but a solemn warning to those who ignore the web of evidence that our government institutions have in their contempt for our civil rights. And of course we have to err somewhat on the excessive side of caution because that does much less harm than erring on the reckless side. As member of the crew of the USS Liberty might aver. I might suggest, Andrew, that you read Kahn's Codebreakers and Bamford's Puzzle Palace and come back with some more facts to support your sheepish acquiescence to authority. -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 7003,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: New Clipper Chip Proposal from the Guv... Keywords: encryption,privacy,individual rights,legalities,big brother Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 310 I saw this article posted in a local newsgroup. I haven't seen it, or any followup traffic relating to it in these groups or other groups which I subscribe to. So, I am posting it here so others can read it, check it out, and comment on it, and provide ideas for handling these sorts of things. I have no verification to the accuracy or lack of accuracy of this article, but if accurate, I find it extremely disturbing, especially in light of various abuses of the SSN number regarding privacy, (I understand it is now to be required in CA to renew a drivers license, or to register a car) and other proposals regarding 'smart' national Identity Cards, wiretap proposals, and such. One simply wonders what other gems are in the wings ready to be sprung on the people by our government. Perhaps suggestions and ideas for preventing this and other such proposals from acquiring the force of law would be useful. The cost simply outweighs any possible benefits, IMO. BTW, reading this makes me think of some ideas a Prof Denning has been promoting, in an even more disturbing form. That said, with no further comment, the article follows: ------------ Begin included article --------- Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. ----------- End included article ----------- -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 7004,2,"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) Subject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Distribution: na Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 18 In article slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes: >Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution >quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, >--- >Sean L. Gilley > Take a look at ftp.cica.indiana.edu at pub/pc/win3/(util?misc?) for a program caleld vswitch.zip.It's as close to want you want as you can get in WIn3.1 ... Hope it helps... -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu " 7005,6,"From: sidak_ok@lrc.edu Subject: CHEMICALS FOR SALE Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC Lines: 6 The chemicals are gone Thanks for all the response Omar " 7006,5,"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 4/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Article-I.D.: visual.C52Ep6.97p Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Lines: 968 Archive-name: x-faq/part4 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program? These usually are available from uucp sites such as uunet or other sites as marked; please consult the archie server to find more recent versions. gnuplot X (xplot), PostScript and a bunch of other drivers. export.lcs.mit.edu [and elsewhere]:contrib/gnuplot3.1.tar.Z gl_plot X output only [?] comp.sources.unix/volume18 graph+ yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au:/pub/graph+.tar.Z [131.170.24.42] comp.sources.unix/volume8 pdraw,drawplot 2D and 3D X,PS scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/3dplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1] scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/contour.tar.Z [128.32.138.1] scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/drawplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1] uunet:~ftp/contrib/drawplot.tar.Z xgraph plot, zoom. Outputs PS or HPGL. shambhala.berkeley.edu:/pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.32.132.54] sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de:X11/contrib/xgraph-11.tar.Z [132.230.1.1] nisc.jvnc.net:pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.121.50.7] comp.sources.x/volume3 or many other sites ACE/gr (formerly xvgr and xmgr) XY plotting tools ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34] XView version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z Motif version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z [mirrored on export in /contrib/acegr] XGobi An interactive dynamic scatter-plotting tool from Bellcore lib.stat.cmu.edu: general/xgobi* [log in as statlib with your email as the password; or send email to statlib@lib.stat.cmu.edu containing the one-line message ""send xgobi from general""] Information from: Debby Swayne, dfs@bellcore.com. Robot a scientific XView-based graph plotting and data analysis tool ftp.astro.psu.edu:pub/astrod/robotx0.46.tar.Z [128.118.147.28] plotmtv a multi-purpose 2D/3D plotter tanqueray.berkeley.edu:/pub/Plotmtv1.3.1.tar.Z [2/91. Thanks in part to: emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti); geoff@Veritas.COM (Geoffrey Leach); Paul A. Scowen (uk1@spacsun.rice.edu); black@beno.CSS.GOV (Mike Black)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet? A version of ""sc"" for X and which supports Lotus files is available from vernam.cs.uwm.edu in xspread2.0.tar.Z. It also includes graphing functions. Information: soft-eng@cs.uwm.edu. The GNU package OLEO is available in prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/oleo-1.2.2.tar.Z; it can generate PostScript renditions of spreadsheets. Also: Several of the below are part of integrated office-productivity tools which may also include word-processing, email, conferencing, image processing, and drawing/painting, among other features. Vendor Product Contact Information ------ ------- ------------------- Access Technology 20/20 508-655-9191 Informix WingZ 800-331-1763 Quality Software Products Q-Calc/eXclaim 800-628-3999 (CA:213-410-0303) Unipress Q-Calc 201-985-8000 Uniplex Uniplex 214-717-0068, 800-356-8063 Digital DECdecision 1-800-DIGITAL Applix Aster*x 508-870-0300, 1-800-8APPLIX. AIS XESS 919-942-7801, info@ais.com BBN Software Products BBN/Slate 617-873-5000 slate-offer@bbn.com Elsid Software Systems Ripcam 613-228-9468 SAS by the SAS Institute now has a spreadsheet module; the X version is available on the current popular RISC platforms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 82) Where can I get X-based project-management software? Vendor Product Contact Information ------ ------- ------------------- Productivity Solutions Ultra Planner 617-237-1600 Quality Software Products MasterPlan Version, 310-410-0303 sales@qsp.com Digital Tools, Inc. AutoPLAN 408-366-6920, 800-755-0065 NASA COMPASS 404-542-3265, service@cossack.cosmic.uga.edu GEC-Marconi Software Systems GECOMO Plus 703-648-1551 GEC-Marconi Software Systems SIZE Plus 703-648-1551 TEI, Inc VUE 408-985-7100 Mantix Cascade 703-506-8833 Advanced Management Solutions Schedule Publisher 800-397-6829 Auburn University ?? ?? [thanks to Pete Phillips (pete@egh-qc.co.uk); 7/92] [thanks to Atul Chhabra (atul@nynexst.com); 10/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer? Ghostscript is distributed by the Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) and includes a PostScript interpreter and a library of graphics primitives. Version 2.5.2 is now available; the major site is prep.ai.mit.edu. [11/92] GSPreview (by the Computing Laboratory of the University of Kent at Canterbury) is an X user interface (WCL-based) to the Ghostscript 2.4[.1] interpreter [5/92]. The source is available for anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu as gspreview.2.0.tar.Z. Ghostview (by Tim Theisen, tim@cs.wisc.edu) is full-function user interface for GhostScript. Check ftp.cs.wisc.edu or prep.ai.mit.edu for /pub/ghostview-1.4.1.tar.Z [1/93]. There are also several executables available on ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/pub/X/ghostview-exe for various architectures. Also: ScriptWorks is Harlequin's software package for previewing and printing PostScript(R) descriptions of text and graphics images; previewers for X are available. For information call +44-223-872522 or send email to scriptworks-request@harlqn.co.uk. Image Network's Xps supports the full PostScript language and renders in color, grayscale, or monochrome. Fonts displayed are anti-aliased. Info: Image Network, +1 415 967 0542. Digital's dxpsview runs on UWS 2.1 and 2.2. Sun's pageview runs with the X11/NeWS server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package? The latest freely-available XGKS can be obtained from xgks-request@unidata.ucar.edu; this is a 2c implementation derived from the X11R4 contrib XGKS from IBM and the University of Illinois. The release is on unidata.ucar.edu [128.117.140.3] as pub/xgks.tar.Z. [12/90] In addition, Grafpak-GKS is available from Advanced Technology Center (714-583-9119). GKSUL is available from gks@ulowell.edu (ULowell CS department). It is a 2b implementation which includes drivers for a variety of devices. It can be passed an X window ID to use. The package includes both C and Fortran bindings. [11/90; from dsrand@mitre.org and from stew@hanauma.stanford.edu] An XgksWidget is produced by Neil Bowers (neilb@leeds.dcs; neilb@dcs.leeds.ac.uk); the latest [10/91] conforms with the new version of XGKS (2.4). It is available on export in contrib/xgks-widget.tar.Z. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package? The first official release of PEX is with X11R5; fix-22 brings the Sample Implementation server to version 5.1. The final PEX 5.1 Protocol specification is now available via anonymous ftp to export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12), in the directory /pub/DOCS/PEX/. Changes made from the Public Review draft are listed in the file ""5.1P_changes"" in that directory. [9/92] The final PEXlib 5.1 document is on export in pub/DOCS/PEXlib. [11/92] There is now available from the University of Illinois an implementation of the PEX 4.0 specification called UIPEX. It contains a ""near- complete"" implementation of PHiGS and PHiGS PLUS. The file pub/uipex/uipex.tar.Z is on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1); the porting platform was an RT running 4.3. Questions and comments can to go uipex@cs.uiuc.edu. In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to include PEX in Xt-based programs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer? The xtex previewer for TeX files is available from a number of archive sites, including uunet; the current version is usually on ftp.cs.colorado.edu (128.138.204.31) in SeeTeX-2.18.5.tar.Z; pre-converted fonts are also on that machine. The distribution all includes ""mftobdf"" which converts PK, GF, and PXL fonts to BDF format, where they can then be compiled for use by your local X server. The xdvi dvi-previewer is fairly comprehensive and easy to use. It is also available from a number of sites, including uunet and export.lcs.mit.edu; current version is patchlevel 16 [12/92]. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer? X11R4 has two previewers for device-independent troff: the supported client xditview, and the contributed-but-well-maintained xtroff. An earlier version of xtroff also appeared on the R3 contributed source. xditview is also in the R5 distribution. In addition, the xman client can be used to preview troff documents which use the -man macros (i.e. man pages). If psroff is used its output can be viewed with a PostScript previewer. In addition: xproof, an X previewer for ditroff has been contributed by Marvin Solomon (solomon@cs.wisc.edu); version 3.5 is available on export in contrib/xproof*. [8/90] Elan Computer Group (CA: 415-964-2200) produces eroff, a modified troff implementation, and Elan/Express, an X11 eroff previewer. SoftQuad (416-963-8337; USA only 800-387-2777, mail@sq.uu.net or mail@sq.com) offers SoftQuad Publishing Software, including a substantially- rewritten troff formatter, a better intermediate language with backwards compatibility, and an X11[R3,R4] previewer. (This is the package adopted by AT&T's own MIS department, and used in and re-sold by many parts of AT&T). [information from Ian Darwin, SoftQuad (ian@sq.com) 3/90] Image Network (1-800-TOXROFF; CA: 415-967-0542) offers the Xroff package, which includes a fine modified troff implementation and a set of X11-based page previewers. (This is the package OEM'ed by several hardware vendors.) [mostly courtesy moraes@cs.toronto.edu (Mark Moraes)] [2/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder? A new release of the DIRT interface builder by Richard Hesketh works with X11R5 and includes some support for the Motif widget set. From the README: This builder allows the interactive creation and rapid prototyping of X user interfaces using the X Toolkit and a number of Widget Sets. Dirt generates ""Wc - Widget Creation"" resource files and this distribution also includes the Widget Creation Library (version 1.06, with the exception of the demos and Mri/Ari source code) with the kind permission of its author David E. Smyth. Check dirt.README, dirt.A2.0.tar.Z, and dirt.PS.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The InterViews 3.0.1 C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG interface builder called ibuild. ibuild generates code for an InterViews application complete with Imakefile and an X-resource file. Documentation is /pub/papers/ibuild.ps on interviews.stanford.edu (36.22.0.175). Quest Windows's (408-496-1900) ObjectViews C++ package includes an interactive building tool. Druid (Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development) runs on SPARC machines using OSF/Motif 1.0; it is intended eventually to be a full UIMS but apparently now has only support for creating the presentation components, for which it generates C/UIL code. Info: Singh G, Kok CH, Ngan TY, ""Druid: A System for Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development"". Proc. ACM SIGGRAPH Symp on User Interface Software and Technology (UIST'90). ACM, NY, 1990, pp:167-177. The BYO interface builder is implemented in tcl. Also: In addition, these commercial products (unsorted) are available in final or prerelease form [the * following the product name indicates that the product is known to allow the designer to specify for each widget whether a particular resource is hard-coded or written to an application defaults file, for at least one form of output]. Some are much more than user-interface tools; some are full user interface management systems; information on most is not up-to-date: Product Name Look/Feel Code Output Vendor HP Interface Motif 1.1 C(Xm) HP/Visual Edge Architect/ UIMX OPEN LOOK Express OPEN LOOK C(Xol+ helper lib) AT&T / Visual Edge UIMX 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm + helper code) Visual Edge 514-332-6430 & distributors VUIT 2.0 Motif 1.1 C/UIL[r/w] DEC (1-800-DIGITAL) X-Designer 1.1 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL Imperial Software Technology, Ltd (+44 734 587055) sales@ist.co.uk XFaceMaker2 (XFM2) * Motif 1.0 C;C/script (C-like procedural language);C/UIL NSL (33 1 43 36 77 50) requests@nsl.fr Builder Xcessory 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w] ICS Ada (617-621-0060) info@ics.com XBUILD 1.1 * Motif 1.0 C(Xm); C/UIL Nixdorf (617-864-0066) xbuild@nixdorf.com iXBUILD Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL iXOS Software karl@ixos.uucp 089/461005-69 TeleUSE 2.1 * Motif 1.1.5 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w] Telesoft (619-457-2700) gui_info@telesoft.com ezX 3.2 Motif 1.1 C(Xm +helper lib);C/UIL;Ada Sunrise (401-847-7868) info@sunrise.com Snapix Motif C/Xm ADNT +33 1 3956 5333 OpenWindows Developers OPEN LOOK GIL [-> C/XView] Sun Guide 3.0 GIL [-> C++/XView] GIL [-> C/OLIT] GIL [-> C/PostScript for TNT] ExoCode/SXM Motif C(Xm) Expert Object ExoCode/Plus OPEN LOOK XView 708-676-5555 TAE+ Xw;Motif C(Xw,Xm); C/TCL (TAE Control Language, like UIL[needs helper library]); VAX Fortran; Ada; C++ Nasa Goddard (301) 286-6034 MOB, XSculptor Motif; OpenLook C/Xm,UIL; C/Xol Kovi 408-982-3840 PSM PM, MSW 3.0, C/UIL Lancorp Motif 1.1.2,Mac Pty Ltd. +61 3 629 4833 Fax: 629 1296 (Australia) MOTIFATION Motif 1.0|1.1.2 C(Xm) AKA EDV +49 (0) 234/33397-0 +49 (0) 234/33397-40 fax UIB Open Look/Motif C++(OI) ParcPlace +1 303-678-4626 Look for magazine reviews for more complete comparisons of meta-file formats, documentation, real ease-of-use, etc; Unix World and Unix Review often carry articles. In addition, Neuron Data (1 415 321-4488) makes Open Interface, a window-system-independent object toolkit which supports interfaces which are or resemble (supersets of) Mac, Windows, and Motif and Open Look; the package includes an interface builder. In addition, the GRAMMI builder supports the development of Ada/X applications using its own set of objects which are planned to have a Motif look. GRAMMI is written in Ada and generates Ada specs and stub bodies. (1-800-GRAMMI-1). In addition, these non-WYSIWYG but related products may help for goals of rapid prototyping of the application interface: WCL: the Widget Creation Library. Basically describes the widget hierarchy and actions in a resources file; available from fine archive servers everywhere, including devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.143) in pub/. Wcl provides a very thin layer over Xt without any internal tweaking. Version 2.5 is current [3/93]. WINTERP: an Xlisp-based Motif toolkit allows for interpretive programming. The copy on the R4 tape is outdated; get a copy off export or email to winterp-source%hplnpm@hplabs.hp.com. The Serpent UIMS permits the building of user-interfaces without specific knowledge of coding but with an understanding of attributes being set on a particular [Motif] widget. Beta Release 1.2 is available from ftp.sei.cmu.edu (128.237.1.13) and can be found in /pub/serpent. Serpent is also available on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.11) in /contrib/serpent. Email questions can go to serpent@sei.cmu.edu. A commercial version of Serpent is available as ""Agora"" from ASET, 221 Woodhaven Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15228. Garnet is a Common Lisp-based GUI toolkit. Information is available from garnet@cs.cmu.edu. MetaCard is a hypertext/Rapid Application Development environment similar to Apple/Claris Corporation's HyperCard (info@metacard.com). MetaCard is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or 128.138.213.21. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts? I want to have a shell script pop up menus and yes/no dialog boxes if the user is running X. Several tools in the R3 contrib/ area were developed to satisfy these needs: yorn pops up a yes/no box, xmessage displays a string, etc. There are several versions of these tools; few, if any, have made it to the R4 contrib/ area, though they may still be available on various archive sites. In addition, Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has posted the xmenu package to comp.sources.x (""v08i008: xmenu"") for 1-of-n choices. [7/90] Two versions of XPrompt have been posted to comp.sources.x, the latter being an unauthorized rewrite. [R. Forsman (thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu), 1/91] There is a version of XMenu available from comp.sources.x; it is being worked on and will likely be re-released. xp-1.1.tar.Z, xpick-1.0.tar.Z and xzap-1.0.tar.Z on export's contrib/ are tools by Gerry.Tomlinson@newcastle.ac.UK which act as X versions of the simple display and choice-making tools in K&P. [4/92] xtpanel lets the user build a panel containing interactive objects such as buttons, sliders, text fields, etc., either from the command line or using a simple scripting language. It is available for anonymous ftp from hanauma.Stanford.EDU (36.51.0.16) as pub/X/xtpanel.tar.Z and may also be found in the alt.sources archives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 90) Where can I get an X-based debugger? xdbx, an X interface to the dbx debugger, is available via ftp from export. The current [1/91] version is 2.1 patchlevel 2. An X interface to gdb called xxgdb is more like xdbx 2.1.2. It is part of comp.sources.x volume 11 [2/91]; xxgdb-1.06.tar.Z is on export. mxgdb is a Motif interface to gdb by Jim Tsillas (jtsillas@bubba.ma30.bull.com); version 1.1.5 was released 1/93. UPS is a source-level debugger which runs under the X11 and SunView window systems on Sun and DEC platforms. It is available from export (18.24.0.11) as contrib/ups-2.45.tar.Z (also ups-2.45-to-2.45.2.patch.Z) and unix.hensa.ac.uk (129.12.21.7) in /pub/misc/unix/ups (or try mail to archive@unix.hensa.ac.uk). [10/92] Unofficial fixes by Rod Armstrong (rod@sj.ate.slb.com) are on unix.hensa.ac.uk in /misc/unix/ups/contrib/rod@sj.ate.slb.com. Also: MIPS produces a highly-customizable (WCL-based) Visual Debugger. You should be able to use Sun's dbxtool with its X11/NeWS server. The CodeCenter (617-498-3000) source-level debugger, available on most major platforms, includes an X-based interface. AT&T offers the eXamine Graphical Interface, an X11 interface to dbx and C++ dbx for Sun3 and Sun4 and sdb and sdb++ for 386 and 3B2 platforms. Call 1-508-960-1997 or contact examine@mvuxi.att.com for more information. Solbourne (+1 303-678-4626) offers PDB, its X-based debugger for C, C++ and Fortran. PDB uses the OI toolkit and runs in either Open Look or Motif mode. SCO (info@sco.com) offers dbXtra as part of several development systems. Lucid's Energize Programming System, a tightly integrated development environment for C and C++ programs, incorporates a graphical user interface on top of an extended version of gdb. Info: lucid-info@lucid.com, or (800) 223-9322. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 91)! How can I ""tee"" an X program identically to several displays? There are several protocol multiplexer tools which provide for the simultaneous display of X clients on any number of machines. XMX (an X Protocol Multiplexor) is available from wilma.cs.brown.edu (128.148.33.66) as pub/xmx.tar.Z It works independently of the server and does not affect the application being shared; it was developed for use in the electronic classroom. XTV is a conference program which can be used to duplicate the ""chalkboard"" on several displays. Release 1 is available on the X11R5 contrib tapes; a more recent version is on ftp.cs.odu.edu as pub/wahab/XTV.r2.tar.Z. SHX from Michael Altenhofen of Digital Equipment GmbH CEC Karlsruhe also does this; it is a ""WYSIWIS"" (What You See Is What I See) package in the context of a computer-based learning/training tool to provide online help from remote tutors but is also useful for general window sharing. Information: shX@nestvx.enet.dec.com. SHX can be found on export and gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z, crl.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z Modifications to SHX for color mapping and private color allocation by Mark J. Handley (M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk) are on cs.ucl.ac.uk in car/shX.car.tar.Z. XTrap is implemented as a server/library extension and can be used to record and then replay an x session. It is available as: gatekeeper.dec.com pub/X11/contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z export.lcs.mit.edu contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z wscrawl can be used as a ""multi-person paint program"". It's available on sax.stanford.edu as wscrawl.shar.Z. Shdr implements a simple shared whiteboard, without a chalk-passing mechanism. It's available on parcftp.xerox.com as pub/europarc/shdr.tar.Z. SketchPad 1.0 (3/93) is a distributed interactive graphical editor particularly designed for sketching. Sources have been posted to alt.sources and are available from ftp.igd.fhg.de (192.44.32.1) in ~ftp/incoming/sketchpad. The NESTOR project is described in ""Upgrading A Window System For Tutoring Functions"", Michael Altenhofen et al., the proceedings of the EXUG Conference 11/90. Also of use: Hewlett-Packard Co. has a commercial product, ""HP SharedX"" which works under HP-UX currently on their 300, 400, and 700 series workstations and their HP 700/RX X Stations. Machines receiving shared windows can be any X server. HP SharedX consists of a server extensions and a Motif based user interface process. Contact your local HP sales rep. for more information. IBM offers a commercial product. Sun offers multi-user confering software called ShowMe. InSoft (Mechanicsburg, PA, USA) offers multi-user confering software called Communique. [Thanks in part to scott@spectra.com (Tim Scott), 5/91, and to Peter Cigehn (peter@lulea.trab.se), 8/92 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build? This FAQ includes information on a number of ""gotchas"" that can bite you on particular system. However, the best source of general information on building the X11 release is found in the Release Notes. The file is bundled separately from the rest of the release, so if it's become separated from your sources you can FTP another copy separately: the file RELNOTES.[ms,PS,TXT] at the top of the distribution. The file RELNOTES is also available from the xstuff mail server. In addition, O'Reilly & Associates's Volume 8 on X Administration includes information on configuring and building X. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5? Apparently gcc is the problem; it seems to produce fine code for all Sun displays except for the cgsix. The new sunGX.o distributed with fix-07 may fix the problem (note: not known to work on Solaris). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.? If you get errors with _dlsym _dlopen _dlclose undefined, link with libdl.a. Add ""-ldl"" to your and eventually your site.def. You may want to surround it with ""-Bstatic -ldl -Bdynamic"" if you add it to the EXTRA_LIBRARIES variable, since ""syslibs"" get added after EXTRA_LIBRARIES on the eventual compilation command; otherwise you may not have a shared libdl. (Or compile the stubs shared.) [thanks to Joe Backo (joe.backo@East.Sun.COM), 12/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2? In SunOS 4.1.2 Sun fixed a shared-library bug in ld which conflicts with the way X11R4 builds the shared Xmu library, causing these symbols to be undefined when building some X11 clients: _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass Compiling ""-Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic"" appears to work. To solve the problem if you are using OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4-based Xt), please contact your local Sun office and request the following patches: Patch i.d. Description 100512-02 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 libXt Jumbo patch 100573-03 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 undefined symbols when using shared libXmu [Greg Earle, earle@Sun.COM; 7/92] A source patch for use with the MIT X11R4 libraries was developed by Conrad Kimball (cek@sdc.boeing.com); it retrofits into R4 some fixes made in R5 to get around this problem. The patch is on export in [1/93] contrib/X11R4_sunos4.1.2_patch_version3.Z ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC? I used gcc to compile the whole distribution, but I get several segmentation faults when running X. Note first that gcc on RISC machines does not necessarily result in any performance increase; it certainly is not as noticeable as it is on the 680x0 or VAX platforms. Here is the problem: gcc and cc use incompatible methods of passing structures as arguments and returning them as function values, so when gcc-compiled parts of X are linked with Sun-supplied functions that pass or return structs, run-time errors occur. Affected programs include rgb and the server. This is from the GCC manual: On the Sparc, GNU CC uses an incompatible calling convention for structures. It passes them by including their contents in the argument list, whereas the standard compiler passes them effectively by reference. This really ought to be fixed, but such calling conventions are not yet supported in GNU CC, so it isn't straightforward to fix it. The convention for structure returning is also incompatible, and `-fpcc-struct-return' does not help. You can duck the problem either by using cc throughout or by using it for just the routines which cause incompatibilities; the problem cannot be solved with compilation flags. Files which need to be compiled using cc include: server/os/4.2bsd/oscolor.c rgb/rgb.c In addition, several of the ""inet_"" functions use structs as args or return values: clients/xhost/xhost.c clients/xauth/gethost.c. Calls to inet_addr in /lib/CLX/socket.c and lib/X/XConnDis.c are possibly harmless as they don't involve structs. [collected by bashford@scripps.edu (Don Bashford); 8/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc? When I try to run xinit or the Xsun server I get the error ""Getting interface configuration: Operation not supported on socket. Fatal server bug! no screens found."" Running the gcc fixincludes script apparently didn't work. You can do this simple test: #include SIOCGIFCONF Run that through cc -E and gcc -E. The last line of output is the piece of interest; it should be identical (modulo irrelevant differences like whitespace). If the gcc version has 'x' where the cc version has 'i', your fixincludes run didn't work for some reason or other; go back to your gcc sources and run `fixincludes`; then rebuild the X distribution. If they are identical, try running a make clean in mit/server and rebuilding, just to make sure everything gets compiled with the proper include files. [courtesy der Mouse, mouse@LARRY.MCRCIM.MCGILL.EDU; 9/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3? In mit/server/ddx/sun/sunCG3C.c, we have found ""missing"" defines for CG3AC_MONOLEN, CG3BC_MONOLEN, CG3AC_ENBLEN, CG3BC_ENBLEN. What should these be? The R4 Errata list distributed after X11R4 mentions that you can add these lines to the file on older SunOS versions (e.g. 3.5) to compile: #define CG3AC_MONOLEN (128*1024) #define CG3AC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN #define CG3BC_MONOLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN #define CG3BC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN However, the Sun3 should not actually ever have the CG3 device, and so references to it can be removed from mit/server/ddx/sun/sunInit.c and the Imakefile. [11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1? The file isn't being found. Sun omitted from SunOS 4.1.1. Remove the #include from sunCG6C.c and replace it with the line #define CG6_VADDR_COLOR 0x70016000 The file has changed from earlier versions of SunOS and should not be copied from another distribution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4? All of the executables that I try to run have the following results: ld.so: libXmu.so.4: not found or even: ld.so: call to undefined procedure __GetHostname from 0xf776a96c If you are building with shared libraries on a Sun, remember that you need to run ""ldconfig"" as root after installing the shared libraries (if you've installed X on a file-server, run it on the server's clients, too). While building and installing the distribution, you need to be careful to avoid linking against any existing X shared libraries you might have (e.g. those distributed with OpenWindows). You should make sure you do not have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in your environment during the build or the installation. If you are going to keep xterm and xload as setuid programs, please note that the shared libraries must be installed in /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib, or /usr/5lib for these programs to work (or else those programs must be linked statically). [courtesy MIT X Consortium] Note also that the program mkfontdir is run as part of the build; it attempts, however, to use the shared libraries before they have been installed. You can avoid the errors by building mkfontdir statically (pass -Bstatic to most C compilers). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined) This is a bug in the OLIT. _XtQString was an external symbol that existed in X11R4 (upon which OW 3.0's libXt is based). It wasn't documented and was removed in X11R5 (MIT's guarantee of upward compatibility between the R4 and R5 libraries only applied to the documented interface). A workaround is to temporarily set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the X11R4 or OpenWindows Xt library that you linked the program against. [10/92; from Barry Margolin (barmar@think.com); 3/93 from Jeff Francis (jpf@heliocentric.com)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole? There is a security problem with certain R4 clients (xterm and xload) running under SunOS 4.1 that have been installed setuid root and are using shared libraries; to avoid the problem, do one of these: 1) make the program non-setuid. You should consult your system administrator concerning protection of resources (e.g. ptys and /dev/kmem) used by these programs, to make sure that you do not create additional security problems at your site. 2) relink the programs statically (using -Bstatic). 3) install the libraries before linking and link with absolute paths to the libraries. [from rws@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Bob Scheifler), 12/90] The R5 version of xterm does this automatically by rebuilding xterm against the newly-installed libraries when xterm is being installed; this prevents an suid program from being built with libraries specified relatively. Note that this may cause an inconvenience when doing the installation from NFS-mounted disks. Xload has been rewritten to avoid the problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole? On many systems the frame-buffer is unsecured by default; this permits anyone who can log into your workstation to peek at your windowing session by accessing the frame-buffer directly, or, as less of a privacy issue but perhaps more annoying, to [accidentally] start up a second X session on your console display. Check the man page for fbtab(5). [Thanks to Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca); 2/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 106) What is Imake? Imake is not a replacement for the make program; instead, it is a makefile-generator that takes advantages of the include-file and macro- processing capabilities of the C preprocessor cpp to generate makefiles suitable for building software on a particular system. Although it is not specific to X, the X release uses it to help solve a number of the configuration issues that arise in making such a large system widely portable. Imake has a fairly steep learning curve, in part because the process by which the system-specific configuration files, system-independent configuration files, and individual Imakefiles are melded to produce a Makefile is not obvious. There have been several different versions of imake; the R3, R4, and R5 versions are different. You can obtain information on imake from these sources: - the R4 and R5 release notes and imake man page include information on using Imake to build X - the R4 and R5 file mit/config/README also contains useful information - on the R4 tapes, contrib/doc/imake/imake.tex is Mark Moraes' R3/R4 guide to imake. - the R5 mit/doc/config/usenixws/paper.ms contains a paper by Jim Fulton on an early version of Imake - Paul Dubois (dubois@primate.wisc.edu) has written a useful explanation of how Imake works and how to use it in configuring X for non- supported systems; the document is available from ftp.primate.wisc.edu in the directory ~ftp/pub/imake-stuff; look for config-X11R4.ms (troff) and config-X11R4.ps (PostScript). Some supplemental appendices are nearby. [7/91: document version is now 1.06] These imake papers are available by email; mail a message body of ""send imake-stuff help"" to almanac@primate.wisc.edu. - see ""System Administration - Imake: Friend of Foe?"" by Dinah McNutt in the November 1991 issue of SunExpert. - German readers should expect in June 1992 an article ""Das Meta-Make / I make, you make / Schwerelos"" by Rainer Klute in ""iX Multiuser-Multitasking-Magazin"", directed at application programmers needing to write Imakefiles. An English-language derivative of this article is in The X Journal, issue 2:1. - The O'Reilly X Resource issue #2 contains Paul Davey's article on demystifying Imake. - Alain Brossard's working document full of tips on Imake is in sasun1.epfl.ch:pub/imakefile.1.Z. [1/91;12/91;5/92;8/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 107) Where can I get imake? Versions are distributed with the R4 and R5 releases. An earlier version is distributed with the X11R3 release; some third-party toolkits redistribute versions of imake along with their own implementations of the template and configuration files. There are no real standards for such configuration files, although most *current* contributed software expects the templates distributed with X11R5. export contains the R5 distribution unpacked, so you can pick up imake without picking up the entire distribution. A stand-alone version of Imake, but one stemming from X11R5, is in ftp.germany.eu.net:pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (192.76.144.75). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do? If you have R4 or R5 installed on your system, run ""xmkmf"". This is a script which runs imake for you with the correct arguments. The output is a Makefile configured for your system and based on the Imakefile. Then run make, which will use that new Makefile to compile the program. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines? When I try to compile certain programs, I get the following link error: Undefined: _XShapeQueryExtension _XShapeCombineMask These routines are actually part of the Shape Extension to X (SHAPE) which was introduced in the MIT X11R4 distribution and allows non-rectangular windows. Like the other sample server extensions, the shape extension will only run on a server which supports it. Pre-X11R4 servers, as well as many vendor-supplied servers, do not support the shape extension, in which case they will display rectangular windows anyway. In order to use the shape extension, you must link to the library libXext.a. In the X11R4 distribution, this library and the associated includes will be in the mit/extensions directory. If you do not have these files, do not despair: many freeware programs which use the shape extension can also be compiled without it by removing the -DSHAPE define from the Makefile; you can probably do this and compile successfully against your older vendor-supplied X libraries. [from John B. Melby, melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@uunet.uu.net, 3/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 110) What are these problems with ""_XtInherit not found"" on the Sun? When I run a X program that I wrote on a SunOS 4.0.3 or 4.1 machine I get the error ""ld.so: symbol not found _XtInherit"". What you are seeing is a side-effect of a kludge in the R4 libXt.a to get Sun shared libraries working. Apparently, you can't share a function that is both called and compared, as _XtInherit is. This was handled by putting _XtInherit in the same file as a function that is always used, thereby guaranteeing that it would be loaded -- that is, in Initialize.c, where XtToolkitInitialize() and XtInitialize() reside. These routines would normally be called. You are probably seeing this error because your program is not a normal Xt-based program and does not call XtToolkitInitialize() anywhere. 1) it may be a program that uses Xt functions but never opens a connection to the X server. [OSF/Motif's 1.1.0 UIL had this problem; it called XtMalloc() and other Xt functions.] The solution is to add the call to your program; the function does not have to be executed, just linked in. 2) alternatively, your program doesn't need any Xt functions and is correct in not calling XtToolkitInitialize() -- it may be an Xlib or XView program. In this case, you can remove -lXt from your link command. It should not be necessary to link the shared libraries statically, although this will certainly solve the problem. [from Jordan Hayes (now jordan@MooreNet.COM) and Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be); 11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X? I have a program that worked well under X11R3. When I try to link it under the current version of X, I get this message: Undefined: _XtScrollBarSetThumb _XtTextSetInsertionPoint _XtTextReplace There were several name changes in the Athena widget set (in addition to the header files moving into ); these are mentioned in the R4 release notes. In this case, these functions are not really Xt functions but are part of the Xaw text widget and so have been renamed from Xt* to Xaw*. [10/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)? The window manager controls how the input focus is transferred from one window to another. In order to get keystrokes, your program must ask the window manager for the input focus. To do this, you must set up what are called ""hints"" for the window manager. If your applications is Xlib-based, you can use something like the following: XWMHints wmhints; ... wmhints.flags = InputHint; wmhints.input = True; XSetWMHints(dpy, window, &wmhints) If your application is based on the Xt Intrinsics, you can set the XtNinput resource to be True (as you probably want to in any case); if you don't have source, you can start up the application with the resource '*input:True'. Certain window managers, notably dxwm and olwm, are very picky about having this done. If you are using Sun's OpenWindows olwm, you can also add this resource to your defaults file to use clients that aren't ICCCM-compliant. OpenWindows.FocusLenience: true [mostly courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 114) How do I figure out what window manager is running? You can't reliably tell; whatever mechanism you could use could be spoofed in any case. For most cases, you shouldn't care which window manager is running, so long as you do things in an ICCCM-conformant manner. There are some cases in which particular window managers are known to do things wrong; checking for particular hints placed on the window by the window manager so that you can sidestep the problem may be appropriate in these cases. Alternatively, it may be appropriate to determine which window manager is running in order to take advantage of specific *added* features (such as olwm's push-pin menus) in order to give your program *added* functionality. Beware of usurping the window manager's functions by providing that functionality even when it is missing; this surely leads to future compatibility problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 115) Is there a skeleton X program available? There is no general framework such as the TransSkel program for the Macintosh which handles lots of the odds and ends and overhead of development under a window system and which can be used as a platform for additional development. In X, the problem is typically solved by using an interactive application builder tool or by using cut&paste on existing X applications. Good applications which you might look to manipulate when you want to ""test just this one little thing"" include contrib/clients/xskel, a simple R4 program that puts up a window and allows sketching in it and offers a starting point for quick hacks, the Xaw examples in the examples/ directory in the R3 and R4 distributions, and the Xlib ""Hello World"" example in the R3 doc/HelloWorld and R4 doc/tutorials/HelloWorld; an updated version of this program which uses R4 Xlib calls and current ICCCM conventions was posted in 2/90 to comp.windows.x by Glenn Widener of Tektronix. [3/90] In addition, a sample Xt program (for Xaw or Xm) by Rainer Klute showing how to open multiple displays and how to catch a broken display connection is available on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/mdisp.tar.Z. [4/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)? The XtGetValues interface for retrieving resources from a widget is sensitive to the type of variable. Your code may be doing something like this: { Arg args[3]; int i; int sensitive; /* oops; wrong data type */ i=0; XtSetArg (args[i], XtNsensitive, &sensitive); i++; XtGetValues(widget, args, i ); ... } But XtNsensitive is a Boolean, which on most machines is a single byte; declaring the variable ""sensitive"" as Boolean works properly. This problem comes up often when using particular toolkits that redefine the Xt types Dimension and Position; code that assumes they are int will have similar problems if those types are actually short. In general: you are safe if you use the actual type of the resource, as it appears in the widget's man page. [11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work? You're probably trying to use these functions from application code. They should be used only internally to widgets; these functions are for a parent widget to change the geometry of its children. Other promising functions, XtMakeGeometryRequest() and XtMakeResizeRequest(), are also for use only by widgets, in this case by a child to request a change from its parent. The only way for your application to request a geometry change for a widget is to issue an XtSetValues call setting some of the geometry resources. Although this will result in the widget-internal functions' being called, your application code must use the standard XtSetValues interface or risk the widgets' data becoming corrupted. [The Xlib calls XMoveWindow() and XResizeWindow() should similarly be avoided; they shouldn't be used to change XtNx, XtNy, XtNwidth, or XtNheight.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow? Although there are various details of the current implementation of the Xt internals which make reparenting difficult, the major reason that no such call exists is that it remains undefined what the set of resources for the ""new"" widget should be. Resources are typically set based on the location in the instance hierarchy; what resources should change if the instance moves? What should happen to the widget's children? And by the time such semantics are defined, there would probably be little advantage over destroying the old widget and creating a new widget in the correct location with the desired resources, as setting the resources correctly is the majority of work in creating a new widget. Note that reparenting is possible in the OI toolkit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net " 7007,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 10 petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) writes: >According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple >Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only >the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs. You're correct, except that's Quadra 800 not Centris 800. -Hades " 7008,11,"From: Graham Toal Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Keywords: entropy Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 9 In article <6040@osc.COM> Joe Keane writes: :As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is, :without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random :bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is :pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need. Sounds like a useful program - interested in posting it to alt.sources? G " 7009,18,"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 51 In dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes: >brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian ""Drakula"" Stone) writes: >(No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.) Pity you didn't say something about the use of statistics to justify targeting and persecuting a minority, then. >>Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >>times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. >I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is >very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling >as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and >trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage >that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect). What in the Tree makes you think we queers CAN'T experience that commitment? What's stopping us from committing to one partner for the rest of our lives? I have every intention of doing so, once I find the right person...and whether that person is male or female, I seriously doubt that a church ceremony/public vow/licence will make any difference whatsoever in the sort of commitment I experience with that person. You have no conception of the difference marriage makes since you have never known any other way. >>Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... >Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon >homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot >of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged >to develop ""non-promiscuous"" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks >put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual >community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays >are immoral. ""My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might >just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"" You're getting to the right idea here...just be careful of making statements like the above, and you'll be part of the solution and not the problem. >Just some thoughts. Flame away. :) No flames necessary. :) Drywid -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes " 7010,13,"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) Subject: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS Lines: 11 To: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was cured of CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are using it in the treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you using accutane in the treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome? Have you used it for CFS? Have you gotten good results with it? Are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies. ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX! " 7011,12,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: MC SBI mixer Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Lines: 32 MJM>HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related MJM>subjects. I am currently learning about AM/FM receivers and recieving MJM>circuits. I understand a lot of things ,but a few things I am confused MJM>abuot. The first is the MIXER, to mix the RF and local oscillator MJM>frequencies to make the IF. Does anyone have any cicruit diagrams (as MJM>simple as possible) for this kind of mixer? I have come across a MJM>MC-SBL mixer chip But I have not been able to find it in any catalogs MJM>(ACTIVE,etc...) MJM>Along the same note, are there any SIMPLE fm receiver circuits anyone MJM>may have stashed away somewhere and they couold let me see?. MJM>P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED MJM>ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot. MJM>I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of MJM>circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help. Digi-key has the NE-622 chip which has a local oscillator and mixer on one chip. For a great combination of theory with actual circuits, the best reference for non-engineers is probably the Radio Amateur's Handbook from the ARRL. Most library's have it in the reference section. * SLMR 2.1 * If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy folk? ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 7012,13,"From: michael@iastate.edu (Michael M. Huang) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 MSG is common in many food we eat, including Chinese (though some oriental restaurants might put a tad too much in them). I've noticed that when I go out and eat in most of the Chinese food restaurants, I will usually get a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards. This happens to many of my friends and relatives too. And, heh, we eat Chinese food all the time at home :) (but we don't use MSG when we're cooking for ourselves) So, when we put one and one together, it can be safely assumed that MSG may cause some allergic reactions in some people. Stick with natural things. MSG doesn't do body any good (and possibly harms, for that matter). So, why bother with it? Taste food as it should be tasted, and don't cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of MSG. -michael -- Michael M. Huang | Don't believe what your eyes are telling you. ICEMT, Iowa State Univ. | All they show is limitation. Look with your michael@iastate.edu | understanding, find out what you already know, #include | and you'll see the way to fly. - J. L. Seagull " 7013,16,"From: jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) Subject: Re: ""militia"" (incredibly long) Organization: Interactive Media Group - University of Massachusetts at Lowell Lines: 54 In article <1qna9m$nq8@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: -> In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: -> > But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large -> > group of poeple twice a year. Just to try to get the same people -> > every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can -> > be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it -> > requires a continually standing committee of organizers. -> -> Again, my response is, ""so what?"" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since -> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support -> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from -> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the -> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it. No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was ""a little bit and an anachronism."" These prohibiting laws are examples why the are an anachronism. After all, laws in made by representatives of the people. These representatives of the people have already decided that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some cases. Since these representatives feel an unconditional interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority of the people feel the same way. If this is so, it is an example of the people using their power of government. If this is not how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes. > Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the -> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated -> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a -> number of times. No, I simple stated that the people have a right to ""join a well organized militia."" And I have also stated that a militia that meets once or twice a year is clearly ""well organized."" And this state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a ""right"" to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated by Hamilton. -- +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | | ""If only it were a modern document, with a | | John Lawrence Rutledge | smart index and hyper links stretching all | | Research Assistant | through the world data net. It was terribly | | | frustrating to flip back and forth between | | Interactive Media Group | the pages and crude flat illustrations that | | Computer Science Department | never even moved. Nor were there animated | | UMass - Lowell | arrows or zoom-ins. It completely lacked a | | 1 University Ave. | for sound. | | Lowell, MA 01854 | ""Most baffling of all was the problem of new | | | words... In normal text you'd only have to | | (508) 934-3568 | touch an unfamiliar word and the definition | | jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu | would pop up just below."" | | | from David Brin's ""Earth"" | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ " 7014,7,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr14.155159.32619@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes: >Yes, I have the same questions. What makes me upset is that R12 costs are >skyrocketing and in fact can't be bought anymore in my area. Also this is yet >another way mechanics and dealers can RIP-OFF customers. Also I was reading >that the new refrigerant is not compatible with the r12 system and that it >would cost $ 300 upto a $ 1000 to retrofit a car with the old R12 system. >ALthough it is important to consider the environment I think the sudden ban is >a slap in the face for the consumer. Why is it that the consumer should have >to pay for the retrofit? The auto companies should have seen this coming? Also >why is it that the governments of the world were so quick in banning freon use >and yet so slow in banning gasoline. In my opinion gasoline is just as >hazardous as anything else. Why can't they start proposing bans on this and >switch to natural gas or electric? The technology is there. Hopefully some >chemist will come up with another alternative coolant that will be compatible >with the old system. >Al H. Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for R12. You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning Society (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash those R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very shaky technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst). Does this piss you off? Yes? Write a letter to your congressman, to your senator, to the president, to the EPA, and to the DOT and complain. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 7015,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 9 In article , jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) writes: > ... > Question for further discussion (as they say in the textbooks): Why don't > we teach ""safe drug use"" to kids, instead of drug abstinence? ... And how come we don't pass out bullet-proof vests in school to promote safe gun usage? Chris Mussack " 7016,10,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL In-Reply-To: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:16:48 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 53 In rauser@fraser.sfu.ca writes: > > > Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter > of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on > NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: > > Canadians: 400 > Americans: 100 > Europeans: 100 > > Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top > 25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick > of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the > Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and > ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, > and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other > teams is getting worse as well. That's why we have expansion - to create more jobs. NHL teams can't afford to import role players from Europe, they pick the stars but will continue to build their teams around local players. > > With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly > only getting worse. > > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures > and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. I'd *LOVE* to see a European NHL division but can't see it happen for some time. There's simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several ""crucial"" markets like Germany, Italy and France while Sweden and Finland probably can't afford to shell out $20-$30 for tickets the way American/Canadian fans do. Call it ""the Minnesota North Stars"" effect: Scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local, inexpensive hockey to the NHL. The National Hockey League should love the idea, though. Pan-European TV channels such as Eurosport could bring in the millions the American networks likely never will pay. > I just don't want them on mine. > > > > > -- > Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" > rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional > WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" > ----------------- > ""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai " 7017,9,"Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) Organization: University of Cincinnati Nntp-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu Lines: 13 Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite writes: >jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category. > >anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll > have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. Bob, I think that Stark does this sort of thing as a joke, not as a serious prediction. I don't really see why we should shoot him for that. The guys who ought to be shot are the ones who keep claiming how great the Royals' chances are in the AL West, since all evidence indicates that they aren't joking and actually believe it. Bob Davis rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu " 7018,4,"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 5-Apr-93 Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CEN.. by Jason Harvey Titus@farad > From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) > Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:05:51 GMT > > I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg > simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the > local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that > you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even > if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4 > meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might > want to know..... > Jason. oh boy am i confused, I thought the entire point of the 72 pin simms was that you could use diffrent size simms so you could avoid having to use sets. all horror stories not withstanding. -A. " 7019,4,"From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller) Subject: Re: LCIII vs. Centris 610? Article-I.D.: news.C51s6w.9nr Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr5.221603.17245@nctams1.uucp> tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) writes: >Title says it all. I'd be particularly interested in the performance >difference. Just how much faster (50%?) is the Centris 610 over the LCIII? > >--Tom > >UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj >ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil >INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com When Apple came with their demos to Iowa State, I got a chance to run Speedometer3.1 on some of the new Macs. Both machines were running System7.1, had a 14"" RGB. Don't know what the caches were set to. Neither machine had an FPU It appears that the Centris610 is quite a bit faster than the LC III: Centris610 LCIII CPU 13.01 6.92 Graf 15.67 7.69 Disk 2.22 2.44 Math 25.57 10.19 P.R. Rating 12.91 6.58 So, there is a comparison. There is definitely a very noticable speed difference between these two machines according to Speedometer3.1. Chad " 7020,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying >>at City Hall in Belfast. >May I ask why? It's there not because the British want it there (NI >is just one big expensive problem), it's there because that is >what the majority of the population of NI want. Is there some >problem with that? The majority of those who can open their mouths in public perhaps. There seems quite alot of incentive for the British to have control of NI, like using the North Channel and Irish Sea as a waste dump (I was appalled at the dumping I saw in the harbor in Belfast). It is my understanding that quite alot of radioactivity enters the water -- it'd be quite a problem if NI got its independence from Britain and then stopped accepting the waste. Are you suggesting that British industry isn't making profit off the situation as well? Gregg " 7021,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr14.191415.10553@samba.oit.unc.edu> cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699) writes: > Why so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe > about its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to > help define or critique the spec. I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly infinitely easier to write than to read, which I think hurts your acceptance by anything that will need to read those images (e.g., paint programs). In a nutshell, I don't think TIFF is salvageable unless the fat is trimmed significantly- and then it wouldn't be TIFF anymore. They keep trying to cut it back, but it's late now. Maybe they >will< fix it, and change that magic number to signify the lack of compatibility. That would probably make me happy. ab " 7022,4,"From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Serial Line connection between Duo 210 and PC??? Organization: DSO, Stanford University Lines: 41 In article <19930419.062907.155@almaden.ibm.com> petrack@vnet.IBM.COM writes: > I have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection > between a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on > the Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on > the PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware > ahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing > has allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS. .. > Could I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information > out the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a > sys-ex dump? > > Could anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE. > I wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos, > or just me. > Hmmm... Sounds vaguely similar to a problem I had a long time ago when I was trying to use Kermit. I was building a serial connection between my Duo 210 and my NeXT. I think the problem was in the handshaking. Basically, you need to make sure that the handshaking protocol is the same on both sides. A safe place to start is by selecting NO handshaking on either end. One problem is that the Zilog serial chip seems to get permanently wedged if you talk to it wrong, and only a reset will clear it. I don't know the specifics. But this could be a nonlinearity that screws up your attempts at debugging the system. It could very well be that you are doing things right--eventually-- but one wrong move (like trying a bad handshaking protocol) can screw up any further correct actions, until the next machine reset. I have wedged my Mac and also my NeXT that way. Now I can send files back and forth between the Duo and the NeXT without any problem, and at pretty high speeds too. I don't know what kind of chip the PC uses, but I think the Zilog 8530 is pretty standard. Hope this helps, -Avery " 7023,5,"From: bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 36 Distribution: world <1r5l8g$bub@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl's message of 22 Apr 1993 10:33:20 +0200 In article <1r5l8g$bub@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl> rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl (Richard Verhoeven) writes: Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position and the window at a position below it. This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current configuration and restore is later. Currently, my solution is: XCreateWindow(...); XSetWMProperties(..); XMapWindow(...); XFlush(...); XMoveWindow(...); It works with olwm, but is less than elegant. All this leaves me wondering if I'm overlooking something obvious. Richard. I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for the border of a window or for the ""user"" window. Maybe other window managers have similar options. Another way to figure out the difference between the ""user"" window position and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped this way. Greeting, Tobias (bading@cs.tu-berlin.de) " 7024,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 19 In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > > The Israelis > used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. > >Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral >Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? > >--Amos > Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza. -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 7025,15,"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 13 > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of > repeated lives on earth. There is a paragraph in the New Testament which in my opinion, clearly makes a positive inference to reincarnation. I don't remember which one it is off of the top of my head, but it basically goes like this: Jesus is talking with the apostles and they ask him why the pharisees say that before the messiah can come, Elijah must first come. Jesus replies that Elijah has come, but they did not recognize him. It then says that the apostles perceived that he was refering to John the Baptist. This seems to me to clearly imply reincarnation. Can anyone offer a reasonable alternative interpretation? I would be very interested to hear it. " 7026,5,"From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) Subject: How to mask the left button? Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 32 Originator: proberts@moose [I am posting this for a friend whose news service is ""fubared as usual"". I will forward replies to him, or if you want to try to reply directly, try: Return-Path: PR ] I have an event handler working for a ButtonPressMask like: XtAddEventHandler( plot_data->display, ButtonPressMask, FALSE, show_mouse_position, plot_data); but I would like to be able to have two types of actions: one to occur with the left mouse, the other the right, and perhaps one with the middle. So my event handler would look more like: XtAddEventHandler( plot_data->display, left-ButtonPressMask, FALSE, show_left_mouse_position, plot_data); XtAddEventHandler( plot_data->display, right-ButtonPressMask, FALSE, show_right_mouse_position, plot_data); However I don't know how to make my left-ButtonPressMask. There didn't seem to be one in the event mask lists I had on hand (although Button1MotionMask looked promising). My references also mentioned using ""|"" to or two mask events. Can you use ""&"" to and two masks? Would I want to in this case? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -lrm " 7027,1,"From: steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) Subject: Sphere from 4 points Organization: Central Research Lab. Hitachi, Ltd. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hcrlgw > >Another method is to first find the center of the circle defined by 2 sets >of 3 points, and intersecting the normals from there. This would also define >the circle center. However, small numerical imprecisions would make the >lines not intersect. Supposedly 3 planes HAVE to intersect in a unique >point if they are not parallel. > Having thought about this, why don't you project the 2 lines onto the 2d plane formed by the lines. Do an intersection calculation in the plane in 2D, where you're guaranteed a unique solution (unless they're parallel which won't happen in this case), and then use parametric distance along the lines from the circle centres to determine the exact point of interest. This bypasses the messy error propogation required to do the calculation in 3d. Hope I haven't put my foot in it again! steve --- -- +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Steven Collins | email: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp | | Visiting Computer Graphics Researcher | phone: (0423)-23-1111 | | Hitachi Central Research Lab. Tokyo. | fax: (0423)-27-7742 | " 7028,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Allegheny College In article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes: > > > > Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of > >the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why > >bother. > > I'd be willing to make two wagers: > 1) Snow doesn't win ROY. > 2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years. > No, You are quite correct, but I was using some wishful thinking. JT snow was wasting away, while Abbott can provide a great resourse for the team. " 7029,6,From: hgomez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Humberto L Gomez) Subject: MULTISYNC 3D NEC MONITOR FOR SALE Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.012451.3540 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I have an NEC multisync 3d monitor for sale. great condition. looks new. it is .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor that syncs from 15-38khz it is compatible with all aga amiga graphics modes. leave message if interested. make an offer. -- 7030,1,"From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko) Subject: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Distribution: world Organization: Neptune Software Inc Lines: 26 dutc0006@student.tc.umn.edu writes in article : > > > >Some VESA bios's support this mode (0x100). And *any* VGA should be able to > >support this (640x480 by 256 colors) since it only requires 256,000 bytes. > >My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this; it's the only VESA mode by card can support > >due to 8514/a restrictions. (A WD/Paradise) > > > >-- > >I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. > > Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) > > Ahh no. Possibly you punched in the wrong numbers on your > calculator. 256 color modes take a byte per pixel so 640 time 480 is > 307,200 which is 300k to be exact. 640x400x256 only takes 250k but I > don't think it is a BIOS mode. I wouldn't bet that all VGA cards can do > that either. If a VGA card has 512k I bet it can do both 640x400 and > 640x480. That by definition is SVGA, though not very high SVGA. > Yes, I did punch in the wrong numbers (working too many late nites). I intended on stating 640x400 is 256,000 bytes. It's not in the bios, just my VESA TSR. -- I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) " 7031,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? In-Reply-To: Center for Policy Research's message of 23 Apr 93 15:10 PDT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 30 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? ------------------------------------ While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and attempt to starve the Gazans. [...] Elias should the families of the children who were stabbed in their high school by a Palestinian ""freedom fighter"" be the ones who offer their help to the Gazans. Perhaps it should be the families of the 18 Israelis who were murdered last month by Palestinian ""freedom fighters"". The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help these wnderful ""freedom fighters"" attain this ultimate goal. Maybe the ""freedom fighters"" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. Harry. " 7032,3,From: robert@pest (Robert Merlicek) Subject: ati GUP and Vpic Nntp-Posting-Host: pest.ctpm.uq.oz.au Organization: CTPM and CSIRO Lines: 13 Could someone tell me if the ATI graphic ultra pro is supported in a version of vpic now. If so where is it located. thanks Robert email replies would be appreciated :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Robert Merlicek CBR600 from Hell = = robert@ctpm.uq.oz.au Engage Ludicrous Speed = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 7033,0," wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Mar30.210423.1302@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1pcnqjINNpon@gap.caltech.edu> <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.calte Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> |> >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over? |> >Because you rarely ever answer them. |> |> Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple |> times. He: Fifty dollars if I can't answer your question. She: What is the Big Bang theory. He: The Big Bang theory is a recipe for cookies. She: Fifty dollars, please. He: Hey, I didn't say the answers would make sense. jon. " 7034,1,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Lines: 9 I searched the U Mich archives fairly thoroughly for 3D graphics packages, I always thought it to be a mirror of sumex-aim.stanford.edu... I was wrong. I'll look into GrafSys... it does sound interesting! Thanks Cheinan. BobC " 7035,14,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 23 Distribution: sci <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: jafoust@cco.caltech.edu's message of 23 Apr 1993 18:44:19 GMT In article <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) writes: In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next >one should be called 'Smiley'. Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt object discovered last year, is known as Smiley. As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course, but I think they might let this one slide... * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * ""The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his * * revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without * * radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without * * revolution is treason of the vilest kind."" -- H.S. 1993 * Just had to try out my new .sig# on this forum ;-) " 7036,18,"From: zippy@hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu (The Pinhead) Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward! <1993Apr4.104122.11197@colorado.edu> <1993Apr4.105514.11664@colorado.edu> <5APR199313494915@oregon.uoregon.edu> Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu In-reply-to: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu's message of 05 Apr 1993 12:49:00 PST In article <5APR199313494915@oregon.uoregon.edu> dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes: In article <1993Apr4.105514.11664@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes... > No, the definition of ""resident"" is very specific. It is the >same thing as ""alien"". Look it up. Remember that the common usage of >the words ARE NOT always their legal meaning. This I gotta see some authority for. from Black's Law Dictionary, Revised 4th Ed., page 1473: RESIDENCE. A factual place of abode. Living in a particular locality. Reese v. Reese, 179 Misc. 665, 40 N.Y.S.2d 468, 472; Zimmerman, 175 Or. 585, 155 P.2d 293, 295. It requires only bodily presence as an inhabitant of a place. In re Campbell's Guardianship, 216 Minn. 113, 11 N.W.2d 786, 789. As ``domicile'' and ``residence'' are usually in the same place, they are frequently used as if they had the same meaning, but they are not identical terms, for a person may have two places of residence, as in the city and country, but only one domicile. Residence means living in a particular locality, but domicile means living in that locality with intent to make it a fixed and permanent home. Residence simply requires bodily presence as an inhabitant in a given place, while domicile requires bodily presence in that place and also an intention to make it one's domicile. In re Riley's Will, 266 N.Y.S. 209, 148 Misc. 588. ``Residence'' demands less intimate local ties than ``domicile,'' but ``domicile'' allows absence for indefinite period if intent to return remains. Immigration Act 1917, sec. 3, 8 U.S.C.A. sec. 136 (e, p). Transatlantica Italiana v. Elting, C.C.A.N.Y., 74 F.2d 732, 733. But see, Ward v. Ward, 115, W.Va 429, 176 S.E. 708, 709; Southwestern Greyhound Lines v. Craig, 182 Okl. 610, 80 P 2d 221, 224; holding that residence and domicile are synonymous terms. ``Residence'' has a meaning dependent on context and purpose of statute. In re Jones, 341 Pa. 329, 19 A.2d 280, 282. Words ``residence'' and ``domicile'' may have an identical or variable meaning depending on subject-matter and context of statute. Kemp v. Kemp, 16 N.Y.S.2d 26, 34, 172 Misc. 738. Legal residence. See Legal. RESIDENT. One who has his residence in a place. See Residence. Also a tenant, who was obliged to reside on his lord's land, and not to depart from the same; called, also, ``homme levant et couchant,'' and in Normandy, ``resseant du fief.'' -- Ronald Cole E-mail: zippy@ecst.csuchico.edu Senior Software Engineer Phone: +1 916 899 2100 OPTX International ""The Bill Of Rights -- Void Where Prohibited By Law"" " 7037,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Entry form for playoff pool Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Okay, here's the entry sheet. Keep in mind that not all spots are decided, so it may change. Series Your Pick Games Division Semis NY Islanders-Pittsburgh New Jersey-Washington Buffalo-Boston Montreal-Quebec St. Louis-Chicago Toronto-Detroit Winnipeg-Vancouver Los Angeles-Calgary Division Finals Patrick Adams Norris Smythe Conference Finals Wales Campbell Stanley Cup winner See previous post for scoring. Good luck! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 7038,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SOLD 400 TONES OF ARMENIAN BONES IN 1924. Keywords: April 24, 1993, 78th Anniversary of the Turkish Genocide of Armenians Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 68 Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1] Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company Special Cable to The New York Times PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there. The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated. - - - Reference - - - [1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom) - - - - - - - - - - - - On the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, we remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an emerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice. In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed de-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a genocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen and plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture distortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In the face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies shamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy merely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state policy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a crime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the successful genocide of the Armenians. Turkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet... Armenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of Turkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as ""rebels"". Turkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...Turkish population figures today show zero Armenians in eastern Turkey, the Armenian homeland. Turkey claims Armenians were always a small minority, yet...Turkey claims Armenians were a ""threat"". In a final insult to the victims, the Republic of Turkey sold the bones of approximately 100,000 murdered Armenians for profit to Europe. Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. The success of this genocide is hangs over the heads of Turkey's Kurdish population. The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and property lost as a result of this genocide. ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""Armenia has not learned a lesson in S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it."" 4/14/93 Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal " 7039,5,"From: rgs@megatek.com (Rusty Sanders) Subject: Re: X-server multi screen Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 61 From article <1993Apr17.010256.14372@eafs000.ca.boeing.com>, by ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto): > rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes: >> >>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. >>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: >> >> -) multi-screen >> -) multi-headed >> -) multi-display >> -) X-Server zaphod mode >> >>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle >>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? >> >>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one >>screen/display to another. > > As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit > would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the > server. > This all sounds suspiciously like my company might have something to do with this. Background first: Megatek has a series of framebuffers designed as X accelerators. For the most part these are designed for Sun SBUS and Sun (and other vendor's) VME systems. That said, Megatek products support multi-screen and/or multi-display on a sigle workstation. Most of our cards have a keyboard/mouse port which can be used to provide additional displays. For example, say you hade a Sparcstation with an Sbus expansion chassis. You could put in six frambuffers, allowing a total of six screens in the system. You could then attach from 1 to 6 keyboard/mice, allowing you to mix and match any combination of screens and displays. You could have 1 6-screen display, 3 2-screen displays, 6 1-screen displays, or 1 2-screen display and 1 4-screen display. Basically any combination. Because of this, we at Megatek try to be very careful about the use of the words multi-screen and multi-display. They are quite different in meaning, and (at least in X) have exact definitions. The reason I ramble like this is the mention of an upper limit if 12 screens in a display. As it so happens, there's a define in the server that determines the most screens supported (server/include/misc.h, MAXSCREENS). As released my MIT, this is 3. As released by Megatek, this is 12. As such, the most screens supported by a single Megatek display (i.e. X server) is 12. If someone construed this to be a limitation of X I'm sorry, but clearly (as pointed out so well by Mr. Neto) this is not the case. We just did it here because nobody has ever asked us for more. Of course, I could say ""Buy all you want, we'll support more."" -- ---- Rusty Sanders, Megatek Corp. --> rgs@megatek.com or... ...ucsd! ...hplabs!hp-sdd! ...ames!scubed! ...uunet! " 7040,15,"From: muddmj@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 27 > But, haven't ""all sinned, and come short of the glory > of God"" (Romans 3:23)? > Those that cite this scripture to claim that even > babes require baptism neglect that ""sin is not imputed > when there is no law"" (Romans 5:13). > > Therefore, until someone is capable of comprehending > God's laws they are not accountable for living them. > They are in the book of life and are not removed until > they can make a conscious decision to disobey God. > > A IDLER If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible ever say so. It never comes right and says ""Only people that know right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised."" What Christ did say was : ""I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I tell you you must ALL be begotten from above."" Could this be because everyone is born with original sin? Mike " 7041,13,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 72 This reminds me of the last Graham Kerr cooking show I saw. Today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot! He used a strange technique I'd never seen before. He took a big pot with lid, and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil. The tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee-table ash tray, made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges. In the tray, he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar, a similar quantity of brown rice (he said any rice will do), the contents of two teabags of Earl Grey tea, and a few cloves. On top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket-type steamer, with two chicken breasts in it. The lid was put on, and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes. Later, he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts. What surprises and concerns me are: 1) No wood chips. Where does the smoke flavor come from? 2) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember hearing that carmel color (obtained by caramelizing sugar -- a common coloring and flavoring agent) had been found to be carcinogenic. I believe they injected it under the skin of rats, or something. If the results were conclusive, caramel color would not be legal in the U.S., yet it is still being used. Was the initial research result found to be incorrect, or what? 3) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember Earl Grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic, because it contains oil of bergamot (an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit). Does anyone know whatever happened with that story? If it were carcinogenic, Earl Grey tea could not have it as an additive, yet it apparently continues to do so. WRT natural wood smoke (I've smoking a duck right now, as it happens), I've noticed that a heavily-smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing. I find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips, getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process, then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips. My theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low-molecular weight stuff, like terpenes, and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar. The long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low-molecular weight stuff, just leaving the flavor behind. Does anyone know if my theory is correct? I also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic. For that reason, and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess, I only grill non-drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals. I do stuff like this duck by indirect heat. I have a long rectangular Weber, and I put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end. The fat drops directly on the floor below the meat, and next time I use the barbeque I make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals. And yet another reason I've heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat, like pork sausage and bacon, contains nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. I'm pretty sure this claim actually has some standing, don't know about the others. An amusing incident I recall was the Duncan Hines scandal, when it was discovered that the people who make Duncan Hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide (EDB) into the cake mix to suppress weevils. This is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic. The guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating Duncan Hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal- broiled steaks. What a great analogy! When I first heard that, my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit! One charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0.5 Duncans! " 7042,13,"From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) Subject: Re: accupuncture and AIDS Organization: Strawman Incorporated Lines: 21 In article euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) writes: >aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM (Alice Taylor) writes: > >>A friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and >>wants to know if there is any danger of getting >>AIDS from the needles. > > Ask the practitioner whether he uses the pre-sterilized disposable >needles, or if he reuses needles, sterilizing them between use. In the >former case there's no conceivable way to get AIDS from the needles. In >the latter case it's highly unlikely (though many practitioners use the >disposable variety anyway). It is illegal to perform acupuncture with unsterilized needles. No licensed practitioner would dare do this. Also there is not a single documented case of transmission of AIDS via acupuncture needles. I wouldn't worry about it. -- ****************************************************************************** Robert Greenstein What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking green@srilanka.island.com that by his laughter he shows superiority instead of latent idiocy - M. Corelli " 7043,3,"From: h9022643@hkuxb.hku.hk (Leung) Subject: 28800BAUD SPIRIT II MODEM Nntp-Posting-Host: hkuxb.hku.hk Organization: The University of Hong Kong X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 22 Hi world, I want to buy a Spirit II 14400 Data/Fax modem (made in U.S.A.). Have anyone heard about it or using it? What is it's performance? Is it stable or not? Please give me some advice. In addition, I heard a news from local distributor that a new 28800baud CCITT ROM (the distributor said it will be the new CCITT standard.) for this modem will be produced at the end of this year. After replaced the old ROM by this 28800 ROM, this Spirit II can transfer data at 28800baud without any hardware alternation. Is this new true and possible? Would the telephone line really able to transfer at such high speed? Please give me some advice. At last, can anyone tell me how to contact with the central dealer QuickComm. Inc.? (I am not sure whether it in U.S.A. or not.) Please leave me a e-mail. Thank you very much. Leung (from Hong Kong University) " 7044,9,"From: heatonn@yankee.org (Neal Heaton) Subject: Sam, are you there? Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF Lines: 9 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 To Mr. Millitello - Listen, Sammy, can you explain why Buck pitched you in relief yesterday? I figure no-one would know this better than you yourself. Jason A. Miller ""some doctor guy"" P.S. Tell Bam-Bam he should've made good on his thread to retire :-) " 7045,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500361:cdp:1483500365:000:272 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 26 17:41:00 1993 Lines: 10 Danhy, As you think Bedouin will be surprised by the posted article, I would be happy to have some feedback from Bedouin readers, if you will. I cannot judge the accuracy of the article, but assumes that it is no fabrication. Any critical review would be helpful. Elias " 7046,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: History question Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <2775@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: > >I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. >Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the >pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder >than a conventional phonograph. It tended to wear the disks out >pretty quickly though. This was the Pathe you are thinking of, although there were other imitators. It didn't wear the disks any more than conventional acoustic designs, but it did have a high noise level due to the continual hiss of escaping air. There are a lot of them still operating, and they are pretty ingenious. There was a pneumatic amplifier designed by Alexander Graham Bell, as well, but I don't know if it was ever constructed. --scott " 7047,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 34 In article wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: >> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better >> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when >> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. > >A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data >from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data >and moves it to memory. IDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA, and most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to do directly with SCSI. > For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is >issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other >devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do >something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be >what I am doing while reading this group. You can thank your software for that. If DOS had a few more brains, it could format floppies etc. while you were doing something else. The hardware will support it, but DOS (at least) won't. Again, this has nothing to do with SCSI. >Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which, >thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is >better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to >completely get rid of IDE. And if you stick with DOS you'll wonder why you can't multitask. Again I ask why can't a UNIX or OS/2 type OS do all the miraculous things with an IDE harddrive that it can with a (single) SCSI hard drive. " 7048,7,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$??? Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Distribution: usa Lines: 2 A local dealer is advertising ""No negotiation necessary!"" Make you wonder... " 7049,4,"From: vng@iscs.nus.sg Subject: Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator Reply-To: VNG@ISCS.NUS.SG Organization: Dept of Info Sys and Comp Sci, National University of Singapore, SINGAPORE Lines: 6 Is there a Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator or a comms toolbox kit available on the net somewhere? Thanks. Vince " 7050,9,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 19 Distribution: na Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: > cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: > > In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: > > } Guess which line is which: > > } BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB > > } X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 > > } Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 > I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. Give me a break! A little delayed, but in the interests of fairness (stats from Elias); BA OBP SLG R HR RBI RNI % outs Alomar .310 .405 .427 105 8 76 264 20.5 419 Baerga .312 .354 .455 92 20 105 316 21.2 480 So we see that Baerga has a large advantage in RBI (runs batted in), RNI (runners not driven in) and outs. john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu " 7051,14,"From: asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov (Daniel A. Asimov) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: > >Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >to compute sunrise and sunset times. > >Joe Wetstein There is a wonderful book by Jean Meeus called ""Astronomical Algorithms,"" (1991) which I am fairly sure contains an algorithm for sunrise and sunset times. Dan Asimov Mail Stop T045-1 NASA Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 asimov@nas.nasa.gov (415) 604-4799 " 7052,3,"From: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Heinbokel) Subject: LOOKING for AD PC-Board Keywords: AD Reply-To: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik Lines: 43 This is for a friend of mine. Please send answers directly to him (E-Mail adress see below )! HIGHSPEED ANALOG-DIGITAL PC-BOARD Hello LAdies and Gentleman ! I am looking for a highspeed A/D PC-Board with a sampling rate above 250 MHz an a resolution of 8-bit. The sampling rate can be arranged by an interleave mode where the time equivalent sampling yields 2, 4 or 8 times higher sampling rate than the A/D-Converter uses in non interleave mode. The board must content an A/D-Converter similar to Analog Devices AD 9028 or AD 9038 or if available a faster on. If you a PC-Board (16-bit slot, ISA) with this specification or better, please send me an EMail hansch@cdc2.ikph.uni-hannover.dbp.de or a Telefax to: ++49 / 511 / 7629353 Thanks in advance for your help ! Sincerely Matthias Hansch IKPH, University of Hannover, Germany --- Andreas Heinbokel heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de *** ... all wisdom is print on t-shirts *** " 7053,1,"From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: > According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF ""version number"" > (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its ""deep philosophical > significance"". > When I first read this, I rotfl. Finally some philosphy in a technical > spec. But still I wondered what makes 42 so significant. > Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and rotfl the > second time. (After millions of years of calculation, the second-best > computer of all time reveals that 42 is the answer to the question > about life, the universe and everything) > Is this actually how they picked the number 42? Yes. > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? I don't know where Douglas Adams took it from, but I'm pretty sure he's the one who launched it (in the Guide). Since then it's been showing up all over the place. _______________________________ / _ L* / _ / . / _ /_ ""One thing is for sure: The sheep / _) /()(/(/)//)) /_ ()(/_) / / Is NOT a creature of the earth."" / \_)~ (/ Joachim@kih.no / / /_______________________________/ / -The back-masking on 'Haaden II' /_______________________________/ from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp. " 7054,16,"From: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu (David N. Bixler) Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns Nntp-Posting-Host: mosquito.eng.auburn.edu Reply-To: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Lines: 14 There's only one way I know of to tell an AR-15 from an M-16. Pick it up, hold it about a foot from your face and look closely at the saftey lever. If it has two positions, its an AR-15, if it has three, its an M-16. There are numerous internal differences as well, but since one would have to field strip the weapon to see them, they are not valid in this discussion. So, in conclusion, there is very little external differences to distinguish an AR-15 from an M-16 except at close (very close) range. David Bixler Auburn University All standard disclaimers apply. " 7055,5,"From: support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) Subject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC? Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA Lines: 61 In article <1qtk84$rn5@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes: >In article 14595639@wl.aecl.ca, harrisp@wl.aecl.ca () writes: >>I use DESQview/X and I think it is great. Where it really shines (IMHO) is >>to let unix users log into a pc and run dos and windows applications with >>the display going to their screens. >>You'll need to get: >>DESQview/X v 1.1 >>DESQview/X v 1.1 $275 suggested retail >>DESQview/X to Other X Systems v 1.1 $200 suggested retail >> >>You also must be running a supported network (FTP softwares PCTCP, >>Novell Lan workplace for dos, Sun Microsystems PC-NFS, Beame and WHiteside, >>Wollongong pathway TCPIp or HP Microsoft Lan Manager) >> >>if you don't have any of this network stuff, Quarterdeck will give you a >>copy of Novell TCPIP transprot for dos with the Network manager. >> >>You can get more info by sending email to (appropriately) info@qdeck.com. Actually, info@qdeck.com is our customer service department. If you have technical questions, you can write to support@qdeck.com. >>In my opinion, if you want to have other people logging in and running >>applications at your pc, you'll want to have a 486 33 with 16 Megs of RAM. >>Also, the Xwindows software in DESQviewX really seems to like an ET 4000 >>(TSENG Labs chipset) based graphics card. Personally, I found that things >>ran better with a SCSI drive in the pc than with ESDI drives, but that is >>my experience only > >What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find >out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running >DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response >time. Anyone have any ideas ?? I expect the limiting factor will be your server machine, not the network itself. To give you a real-world example, here at Quarterdeck we have roughly 100 people using DVX to talk to a bunch of unix boxes, novell file servers, and each other. It's not _too_ much of a load on our Ethernet (with maybe 4 concentrators, so you have 20-30 people on each segment). If you had a badly loaded net, or the apps you wanted to run were very network intensive, you could run into some slowdowns. But the biggest problem would be the machine itself. Say you have a 486 33 with plenty of ram and a fast hard disk and network card. If you have 10 people running programs off it, you're going to see some slowdowns because you're now on (effectively) a 3.3 MHz 486. Of course, DVX will attempt to see if tasks are idle and make sure they give up their time slice, but if you have 10 working programs running, you'll know it. Having said that, if you can tweak the programs being run (by adding in calls to give up time slices when idle and that sort of thing), you could probably run 15-20 people on a given machine before you started seeing slowdowns again (this time from network bandwidth). It all really depends on what the programs are doing (ie. you're going to see a slowdown from X-bandwidth a lot sooner if your apps are all doing network things also...) -- Quarterdeck Office Systems - Internet Support - Tom Bortels Pricing/Ordering : info@qdeck.com | Tech Questions : support@qdeck.com BBS: (310) 314-3227 * FAX: (310) 314-3217 * Compuserve: GO QUARTERDECK Q/Fax: (310) 314-3214 from touch-tone phone for Technotes On Demand! " 7056,3,From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) Subject: 1.44Mb F/D WANTED Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Subject says it all. Please email soon. skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au 7057,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 22 In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I've been >they only light 'em at junctions. And armadillo crossings. >Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere >has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such >wide-open spaces. It just ain't so. Well, let's see, in just my own _personal_ experience there's Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Wyoming, Utah, South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, Montana, Florida, and parts of Louisianna. Nobody said ""Let's go into town and drive 130 on Main St."" And you couldn't go that fast on the graveled washboard that passes for highway in some parts. But that ""only really expensive cars should be driven fast"" crap, is, well, crap... wr " 7058,9,"From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ Distribution: na Lines: 14 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > >I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the >only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter >has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. >Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. Johnny Mize had six three-HR games, which is the current record. -- +-----------------------+ | Bob Holt | | rjh@allegra.att.com | +-----------------------+ " 7059,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Keywords: Leaf Wings Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 24 In <1993Apr20.181549.11414@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Pray for the Wings to become lazy and overconfident...the Wings >can only lose the series...Toronto cannot win it. Take away >Doug Gilmour and the Leafs are an old Tampa Bay. Right Gerald. And take away Bob Probert and the Wings are dead Octopuses. >The Leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort >during the regular season...but if Detroit puts in a reasonable >effort, this is not a contest. Let's wait for the body to get cold before we start in with the eulogies hm? They have only lost ONE game. The game was in Detroit after all and Potvin did not have his best evening. Nobody that I saw thought that the Leafs would sweep the Wings. It looks like it might go six. The Leafs will take the Wings home advantage away in the next game. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 7060,4,"From: dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David Claytor) Subject: Re: Noisy SE: What can I do? Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 27 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu In article <1qk2rjINN503@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes: >There's this old SE here. It's got the older-style fans that remind >me of a house-ventilator. A cylindrical drum instead of the bladed rotor >I usually see. Anyway, the SE makes this loud buzzing noise due >to vibration somewheres. If I remove the screws and loosen the front >from the back, it quiets down. I can only assume that the fan housing >from this goofy thing is touching the back of the case and vibrating >against it. > >Anyway, any suggestions for where to get replacement fans and how to >""stealth"" this guy? Your experiences welcome..... > >-- >""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" > -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. When I owned an SE, I replaced the fan with SE Silencer, available, I believe, from MacWarehouse or MacConnection. It comes with instruction for installation and requires no soldering. Worked like a charm. I think the manufacturer is Mobius. __Dave -- dlc@umcc.ais.org 313.485.3394 " 7061,8,"From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl) Subject: crappy Honda CX650 Lines: 24 Organization: University of Waterloo Hi, I just have a small question about my bike. Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to think about my Honda. She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and was running only on one cylinder. I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem), but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for this bike. Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the wear of my pistons?? Please send comments to sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Thanks in advance. Stef. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Ruhl german exchange student. Don't poke into my privacy ! " 7062,2,"From: make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1 Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 17 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: troll.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory, after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ? Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded functions. For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions: void same_name ( void ) void same_name ( int ) After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined function pointer. Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ? thanx " 7063,0,"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) Subject: Re: mathew writes: >>>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely >>>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just >>>implanted some sort of electronic device. >>Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in >>potential criminals like Communists and atheists? >Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people >*before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this? No, Mathew is proposing a public defence mechanism, not treating the electronic device as an impropriety on the wearer. What he is saying is that the next step beyond what you propose is the permanent bugging of potential criminals. This may not, on the surface, sound like a bad thing, but who defines what a potential criminal is? If the government of the day decides that being a member of an opposition party makes you a potential criminal then openly defying the government becomes a lethal practice, this is not conducive to a free society. Mathew is saying that implanting electronic surveillance devices upon people is an impropriety upon that person, regardless of what type of crime or what chance of recidivism there is. Basically you see the criminal justice system as a punishment for the offender and possibly, therefore, a deterrant to future offenders. Mathew sees it, most probably, as a means of rehabilitation for the offender. So he was being cynical at you, okay? Jeff. " 7064,18,"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) Subject: Re: US Government Sanctions Sacrilege News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 82 William December Starr writes... in a typical lawyer baiting fashion, as usual. (All the while ignoring every principle of the ACLU.) Good to see your still out there WDS. Surely we've been around the ring enough by now, that you know you can't spin me up with expletives. Let's see if there's anything left worth responding to... >Cyrus' ""Achy Breaky Heart"" ad infinitum until either Koresh surrenders or >the rest of the state of Texas is totally depopulated... :-) E for effort. Heard about the folks who live around foghorns and airports? >> Erect an Inverted Cross, or a Star of David broken asunder, out in >> front of the Davidians to provoke them. Or boom out Islamic prayers. >> Or worse. What temple would you destroy? What books would you burn? >> Will you kill clergy? Will you mock the Spirit of GOD before the >> innocent?? > >Sure I would. Why not? Seems right in character to me -- creature of the state. Btw, are you still happy with your presidents? >> If you in government have no respect for other's faith, and no respect >> for the lives and well being of those innocent children caught in this >> hell you've created -- why should anyone respect your lipservice of >> ""rule of law?"" > >What does rule of law have to do with respect for anyone's religious >faith? See the part about the children following the ""and"" in the first line above. As to a connection, your ""cult"" is ""faith in rules"". >> No matter who the criminals are, or what they've done (and it looks >> like there are criminals on both sides of the matter) -- their >> conviction is not worth the abuse you're causing. > >What abuse? Please be specific. Sure. My concern is the well being of the children. >> If you are willing to ignore the children, or heap abuse, insult, and >> sacrilege on the children inside the Davidian house -- then GOD REBUKE >> YOU. Best you learn directly from the Lord the corruption you're >> committing. In GOD's good time and way, the LORD judge you -- I can >> not. For truth be told I would send you all straight to hell -- and >> GOD would be right in sending me right along with you. > >Oh, fuck you and the God you rode in on, Stephen. If you can show the >legitimacy of God's claim of sovereignty over man, please do so. >Otherwise stop ranting and raving about him already. > >-- William December Starr {Interesting that you would respond ""emotionally"" in defense of the government. Maybe there is a beating heart there.} For the record though, the biggest-baddest goverment on earth claims the most sovereignty over man. Best I can tell God allows anyone to go to hell who wants to. Omnipotency logically determines that ""allowing"" and ""sending"" mean the same thing. (Mere human concepts of course.) So come on WDS. Why bother to try some flimsy facade of logic. Waco proves it's not needed -- the demonstration that government can walk over it's own rules in the name of justice has been made. No problem by me. Noted and announced -- for the record. Just giving the govern- ment it's due, and getting back to more worthwhile non-government concerns. | -- J -- | | stephen " 7065,0,"Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr6.151843.15240@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >I should clarify what Muslims usually mean when they say ""Muslim"". In >general, anyone who calls themselves a ""Muslim"" and does not do or >outwardly profess >something in clear contradiction with the essential teachings of Islam >is considered to be a Muslim. Thus, one who might do things contrary to >Islam (through ignorance, for example) does not suddenly _not_ become a >Muslim. If one knowingly transgresses Islamic teachings and essential >principles, though, then one does leave Islam. You and Mr. bobby really need to sit down and decide what exactly Islam *is* before posting here. According to 'Zlumber, one is NOT a muslim when one is doing evil. [ A muslin can do no evil ] According to him, one who does evil is suffering from ""temporary athiesm."" Now, would the members who claim to be ""Muslims"" get their stories straight???? -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 7066,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: FAQs Article-I.D.: mojo.1pst9uINN7tj Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <10505.2BBCB8C3@nss.org>, freed@nss.org (Bev Freed) writes: >I was wondering if the FAQ files could be posted quarterly rather than monthly >. Every 28-30 days, I get this bloated feeling. Or just stick 'em on sci.space.news every 28-30 days? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 7067,8,"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: Goldwing performance Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 12 In article <3880206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes: |According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a |real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that |doesn't defecate much. =:-] But, think of the *mystique* you are buying into for that extra $7k or more!!! Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 " 7068,19,"From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214/436-3281 Lines: 39 In article <19APR199310484591@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >Now that chemical-warfare and the use of juggernauts have been >used against innocents -- so likewise are those involved subject >to their own judgments. The same goes for those who lead others >into captivity -- whether behind strands of barbed-wire, or webs >of deceit. > Yeah. Innocents. People who hoard $250K worth of high-caliber automatic weapons and kill law-enforcement agents really fit the bill here. The only innocents were the 20+ children who were prevented from leaving a burning building by their self-appointed messiah-following parents. A burning STARTED by the Davidians. >Such is the patience and faith of the saints. > >So let them continue -- for the one-who-rewards them according >to what their works shall be -- comes quickly. > >The evidence continues to mount, which all seems to follow >step-by-step quite logically to me. > > | >-- J -- > | > | stephen > Is this subject line a veiled threat against U.S. Government agents or possibly Executive office leadership (i.e. Clinton)? I've considered you a bit of a loon, before, Stephen, I guess this pretty much confirms it. Nice religion you have there. The only ones who should be killed are those who don't agree with us. Sheesh. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've thyat@sdf.lonestar.org suffered quite enough, thank you! Arlington, TX Help! I'm being repressed! -M.Python ------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- " 7069,2,"From: dbstrutt@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Bryan Strutt) Subject: Re: Help with changing Startup logo Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 29 In article <1rgtba$gtn@access.digex.net> farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) writes: > >I know this is probably a FAQ, but... > >I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows >logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of >the 3.1 logo. > >I thought the files that controlled this were > >\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE >\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO > >I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what >the correct files are? I believe you have the correct files. I think what you'll have to do is go back into Setup and choose change video adapter or whatever it is called. Then the trick is choose the same adaptor you currently have. What Setup does is it actually changes the file WIN.COM whenever you go into it and change the video hardware selection. It incorporates the contents of VGALOGO.RLE into WIN.COM when you do this. This trick can also be used to change the startup logo into whatever you want it to be. -- [.SIG ALERT] dbstrutt@acs.ucalgary.ca [END .SIG ALERT] " 7070,1,"From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) Subject: Re: CView answers Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes: >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) >Thanks! > Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like doc, image viewers like xv, etc. " 7071,9,From: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger) Subject: Re: TIGERS Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu Originator: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU ALL I CAN SAY IS G O T I G E R S!!!!!! -- ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- | | | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- 7072,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Lines: 18 From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) >separate locations to gain credibility. If they are seized and you are >compelled to decrypt it, you simply explain that you are an amateur >cryptologist playing around with one time pads, and that the first >file is the pad for the second. They XOR the two files, and sure >enough, out pops a copy of ""War and Peace"". So, judging from recent history, at this point they drop the original charges, preemptively find you guilty of copyright violations, and seize your computer, your home, and your financial reserves under federal forfeiture laws. Ah no - what *really* happens is that they turn up at the court with *another* file which when exored with your document gives up the famous E911 document :-) [And I tell you, some judges would fall for it...] G " 7073,17,"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: > >Esin Terzioglu] Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. >Esin Terzioglu] 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek > inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant > posting claims) >Esin Terzioglu] 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) >Esin Terzioglu] next time read and learn before you post. > > > >Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your >past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too >bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ? >Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ? > The Greeks did try to invade Cyprus just before the Turkish intervention: They failed. Just for your info. Esin. " 7074,13,"From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn) Subject: Re: RE: HELP ME INJECT... Article-I.D.: uwm.1r82eeINNc81 Reply-To: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1993Apr22.233001.13436@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk: > The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle > and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra > muscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on > the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). > Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make > sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the > needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it > pierces the skin). > > PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should > be avoided as far as possible. > The areas that are least likely to hurt are where you have a little fat. I inject on my legs and gut, and prefer the gut. I can stick it in at a 90 degree angle, and barely feel it. I'm not fat, just have a little gut. My legs however, are muscular, and I have to pinch to get anything, and then I inject at about a 45 degree angle,and it still hurts. The rate of absorbtion differs for subcutaneous and muscular injections however--so if it's a daily thing it would be best not to switch places every day to keep consistencey. Although some suggest switch legs or sides of the stomach for each shot, to prevent irritation. When you clean the spot off with an alcohol prep, wait for it to dry somewhat, or you may get the alcohol in the puncture, and of course, that doesn't feel good. A way to prevent irratation is to mark the spot that you injected. A good way to do this is use a little round bandage and put it over the spot. This helps prevent you from injecting in the same spot, and spacing the sites out accuartely (about 1 1/2 "" apart.) This is from experience, so I hope it'll help you. (I have diabetes and have to take an injection every morning.) Later, David -- David Hahn University of Wisconsin : Milwaukee hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu " 7075,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <1993Apr22.153000.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu> banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes: >poster for being treated by a liscenced physician for a disease that did >not exist. Calling this physician a quack was reprehensible Steve and I >see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well. Do you believe that any quacks exist? How about quack diagnoses? Is being a ""licensed physician"" enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack, other people shouldn't say so? Can you give an example of a commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis, or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer need to worry about unscrupulous ""healers"" taking advantage of people. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 7076,9,"From: cabanrf@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 56 In article , mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >>i've said the braves would improve by injury as well. here's how. >> >>javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson. >>ryan klasko is a better firstbaseman than bream. >> chipper jones is a better shortstop than anyone the braves >> put out there. >> >>mel nieves is better than nixon/sanders. >> >>that's how. it FORCES them to play the young guys. >> >>- bob gaj > > I continue to be amazed at these comments. While Lopez might *some > day* be a better catcher than Olson, I find it totally amazing for > you to suggest that this 22 year-old with three seasons of professional > baseball is *now* better than Olson, a five-year MLB veteran who is > noted for his ability to call a game, and who has a better-than-average > arm. Oh, perhaps you are talking about hitting. Well, sure, Lopez > *might* hit better. Perhaps he *probably* will. > > But has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22-year-old (or > younger) *rookie* catcher who compared favorably among all league > catchers in terms of defense and brought a .247 bat? Wasn't it Yes, Ivan Rodriguez, last year. Batted .260 and threw out 51% of the baserunners. Not too shabby for a rookie from AA. 20 years old last year. > Sandy Alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year? > Not. Wasn't it Benito Santiago who was supposed to be that good > in his rookie year? Not. > > I can continue this thread with the others mentioned, but you get > the point. You and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the > seasoned veterans in favor of the hot *young* rookies. Perhaps - > just perhaps - the management team of the pennant-winning Braves > knows something more than you do. And perhaps what they know is > that very, very few 21- and 22-year old rookies come up to the majors > and make an impact. > > > -- The Beastmaster > > > > -- > Mark Singer > mss@netcom.com -- Roy F. Cabaniss......................*Wait till Tommy meets the Lord and Western Kentucky University..........*finds out that He's wearing pinstripes. All opinions contained herein........*Gaylord Perry (talking about Lasorda) Are all mine own, and that's the sin.*Baseball, what a way to spend a day!! " 7077,6,"From: rdi@cci632.cci.com (Rick Inzero) Subject: Drafting Machine for sale Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY Distribution: usa Lines: 17 For sale: Precision drafting machine, Bruning OGP-0180. Solid older model with spring-loaded counter balance; clamps on table. Without scales. For right handed person. $60/make offer, includes UPS/parcel post postage. I'm guessing that it's from the 1940s or 1950s, a period well known for excellent drafting machine construction! :-) It's built with real metal parts, not cheap modern plastic, and it's painted the typical office grey popular in that period. It's smooth working, and each of the two ""arms"" on it measures roughly 24"". It has a dual clamp to enable you to clamp it on the edge or corner of a table. --- Rick Inzero rochester!cci632!rdi Northern Telecom, LTD uunet!ccicpg!cci632!rdi Rochester, NY rdi@cci.com " 7078,11,"From: paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems Distribution: na Lines: 44 In article <1qnav4$r3l@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes... >In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: > >>Further, the Attorney General >>shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture >>Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. > >Talk about adding insult to injury ... > >I, for one, believe that the use of civil forfeiture should be abolished by >a decent administration, not continued. Instead, it looks like that >ill-gotten gain will be used to help pay for wiretap equipment. I wholeheartedly agree. Knowing that WE have let our law enforcement agencies seize our property against the Fifth Amendment of OUR Constitution tells me that we are absolving ourselves of our responsibility for SELF-GOVERNANCE. WE have to take our government back from the self-serving politicians who create laws and rules only to better their positions within the government. WE have allowed them to take too much power from the people of this nation. That situation has to be changed. Allowing the law enforcement agencies to use the seized property to pay-off drug informants who lie and continue to deal in drugs is tantamount to making a pact with the Devil himself. It's a vicious cycle. The law enforcement agencies are motivated to seize property to fund their own activities. And having no easy way for the citizen to regain the property intact once taken gives even more incentive for the agencies to take property. It's also interesting to note that two months ago Rush Limbaugh said that Clinton would have the ""plumbers"" out in force shortly. Clinton and his henchmen firmly believe in strong ubiquitous government control. Anytime a leader believes in that, the leader will use every means possible to retain that control and take more. WE have to take OUR government back. Otherwise we will end up living in the equivalent of a high-tech third world dictatorship. We have to take responsibility for ourselves, our personal welfare, and our actions. __ Paul J. Olson - VAX Systems Manager & Resident Amiga Addict C= /// Voice - 301/286-4246, 301/210-7701 __ /// DECnet- CHARON::PAUL \\\/// Internet - paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov \XX/ Disclaimer: Statements in my messages are wholely my own. AMIGA ""Ignorance is a renewable resource."" -- P.J. O'Rourke " 7079,4,From: CM51@lafibm.lafayette.edu (CM51) Subject: Half-page hand scanners? Organization: Lafayette College Lines: 6 Originator: news@lafcol Nntp-Posting-Host: lafibm Is anyone out there using a greyscale handscanner. I'm thinking about buying one. Is the inexpensive Logitech pretty good. I don't need super high quality scans- but want it to be worth the $$$$. Thanks in advance- Mike Charles 7080,12,"From: harpe@netnews.louisville.edu (Mike Harpe) Subject: WANTED: Protel EasyTrax for the MAC Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 12 The title says it all. Contact me via EMAIL if you would can help me out... Mike Harpe University of Louisville P.S. I KNOW IT IS DISCONTINUED. I want someone who would like to sell an old copy. -- Michael Harpe, Programmer/Analyst Information Technology, Ormsby Bldg. harpe@hermes.louisville.edu University of Louisville (502)588-5542 Louisville, Ky. 40292 ""He's not a man, he's a remorseless eating machine!"" - The Simpsons " 7081,0,"From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating In-Reply-To: mangoe@cs.umd.edu's message of 4 Apr 93 10:56:03 GMT Organization: Software Engineering Institute Lines: 33 mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >>David Wood writes: >> >> ""Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."" > >More seriously, this is just a high-falutin' way of saying ""I don't believe >what you're saying"". Are you making a meta-argument here? In any case, you are wrong. Think of those invisible pink unicorns. >Also, the existence if Jesus is not an extradinary claim. I was responding to the ""historical accuracy... of Biblical claims"", of which the existence of Jesus is only one, and one that was not even mentioned in my post. >You may want to >complain that the miracles attributed to him do constitute such claims (and >I won't argue otherwise), but that is a different issue. Wrong. That was exactly the issue. Go back and read the context included within my post, and you'll see what I mean. Now that I've done you the kindness of responding to your questions, please do the same for me. Answer the Charley Challenges. Your claim that they are of the ""did not!/ did so!"" variety is a dishonest dodge that I feel certain fools only one person. --Dave Wood " 7082,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: OB-GYN residency Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr12.231544.5990@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: > >I believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against FMGs. I Is that true? I know some that won't even interview FMGs. Most programs discriminate, in that given an FMG equally qualified as an American they will take the American. What rights do they actually have? Does it matter if they are US citizens (most are not)? We have had good luck with FMGs and bad luck. SOme of our very best residents have been FMGs. Also, our very worst. As it turns out, the worst FMGs are often US citizens that studied in off-shore medical schools. Of the 5 residents fired for incompetence in the 12 years I've been here in my department, all have been FMGs. 3 were US citizens who studied in Guadalajara, 1 was a US citizen but was trained in the Soviet Union, and one was Philipina. Unfortunately, all are now practicing medicine somewhere, 3 of them in Neurology after having been picked up by other programs, 1 in psychiatry, and the other in emergency medicine. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7083,4,"From: c60b-3jl@web-4f.berkeley.edu (James Wang) Subject: Re: What is ""ROM accelerated video""? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: web-4f.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr15.182206.12714@reed.edu> especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) writes: >In the MacUser article on the new centris and quadra machines mentioned >that the C650 and the Q800, and not the C610, had ROM accelerated video. > >What is it? I don't recall seeing it in Dale Adams post. of course it was in Dale's post, just not in the words that MacUser used. ROM accelerated video just means that some quickdraw commands has been rewritten (inside the ROM) to take advantage of the 68040 addressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster since the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one. " 7084,3,"From: winfrvk@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (R.v.Kampen) Subject: Re: Adding hard drive to Original IBM PC Keywords: hard drive, IBM PC Organization: Delft University of Technology Lines: 22 In article schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes: >In article goolsbey@cs.utexas.edu (Keith Goolsbey) writes: >>I have an ORIGINAL IBM PC (not an XT or AT) that >>has never had a hard drive. Questions: >> >>[1] Do I need new BIOS to add a hard drive? >>[2] Does anyone sell a complete package to do this? >> >>Please e-mail me with suggestions. I only need to >>add about a 20Meg or 40Meg hard drive. > >Sent by mail too. >You need the 10/82 BIOS which has support for ROM BIOS extensions, such >as the ROM on a hard disk controller. > >A 20 MB hard card, available for not much over $100, will do the trick >if you have the proper BIOS date. Use Norton SI or similar program to >find out. you also need to set the correct switch settings on your xt controller, which can be a pain, since most pc's don't come with proper docs for all hardware contained inside it. " 7085,3,"From: rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) Subject: How do I put an HD on an XT? Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 12 This may be a dumb question, but I need to put a hard drive on my father's PC/XT, either MFM, RLL, or IDE. I know how to hook it up, but how do I tell the computer the geometry of the drive. On my 386, you set it in the BIOS, but I doubt that's how it's done on an XT. I thought it might be software with the controller card, but the IDE card for XT's that I saw didn't come with any. Also, how do I low level format it once it's on the computer? (Assuming a drive which needs formatting) advTHANKSance, Rob rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu " 7086,6,"From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) Subject: Madison/Chicago --> Italy Air Ticket Wanted Keywords: Madison/Chicago, Milan, Italy Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr5.193913.14385 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 13 Hi, I am looking for a round trip Madison/Chicago --> Milan (Italy) air ticket. Anybody who has a transferable ticket but will not use it please contact me at beng@cae.wisc.edu. Open-jaw ticket highly desired. Thank you. B. T. Ting beng@cae.wisc.edu " 7087,5,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 68 Could someone PLEASE give a guess as to why this simple little program causes a BadPixmap error on the FOURTH (bizarre???) call to XtRelaizeWidget()? Here is the code: int stoploop = 0; static void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer); main() { XtToolkitInitialize(); XtAppContext app = XtCreateApplicationContext(); while (1) { int junk = 0; Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(app, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk, NULL); Widget top = XtAppCreateShell(NULL, NULL, applicationShellWidgetClass, dis, NULL, 0); Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(""x"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, top, XmNheight, 25, XmNwidth, 25, NULL); XtAddCallback(box, XmNactivateCallback, Callback, NULL); XtRealizeWidget(top); while (!stoploop) { XEvent event; XtAppNextEvent(app, &event); XtDispatchEvent(&event); } stoploop = 0; XtReleaseGC(top, XDefaultGCOfScreen(XtScreen(top))); // needed? XtDestroyWidget(top); XtCloseDisplay(dis); } } static void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer) { stoploop = 1; } The error I get (yes, the 4TH time I try to show the box) is: X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC) Resource id in failed request: 0xd0000d Serial number of failed request: 71 Current serial number in output stream: 85 Please respond via email. Thanks very, very much! (NOTE: I realize this program does nothing useful, its an ultra-trivialized version fo a real library routine) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7088,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 21 Kaldis writes: #The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was #presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court #apparently found this compelling. Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and they are not prostitutes. #Because the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the #Marines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead? Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments. I presented evidence that what you said is *NOT* what the judge ruled. Provide your evidence. Repeating a false claim is not evidence. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 7089,4,"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650 Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 4 I also use PhotoShop to edit photos, and do DTP work. -nate " 7090,17,"From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? Article-I.D.: itexjct.2579 Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel Lines: 23 In <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" >(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, >but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the >massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion >impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud >of confusion. But what is Hasan B. Multu's middle name? I'm not sure, but I heard it was ""Bibo"". I also seem to recall that ""Argic"" is Azari for ""bites the wax Macedonian"". We don't have a mail address, but how about finding a snail address? Then instead of quashing Shergold rumors, we could just redirect them - Ahmed Cosar is a seven year old Greek boy with an incurable case of crossposting. His wish is to get into the Usenet Book of World Records for having the highest noise to signal ratio. -- /|/-\/-\ |__/__/_/ |warren@ / nysernet.org " 7091,12,"From: fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper) Subject: CAD Program for Electronics? Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk) Lines: 19 I am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job of making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in MS-DOS, Windows if possible. What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins). It also needs to have provision for adding legends to the components as well as their values. In other words I want to produce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin dot-matrix and/or Laser Printer. If you know of such a CAD program that is of reasonable cost, please respond. Fred W. Culpepper OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY (Retired) fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu --- " 7092,4,"From: mbeale@groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu (Mark Beale) Subject: Re: Quadra Acceleration Article-I.D.: moscow.C5G4MM.6xI Distribution: na Organization: Microelectronics Research Center Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu About this QUADRA 700, 800 clock acceleration: has anyone heard of anything like it for the QUADRA 950? Please reply e-mail, I don't get to the news very often. Thanks!! Mark Beale mbeale(at)wallaby.mrc.uidaho.edu " 7093,0,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: I don't beleive in you either. Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr13.213055.818@antioc.antioch.edu>, smauldin@antioc.antioch.edu writes: |> I stopped believing in you as well, long before the invention of technology. |> |> --GOD |> Ahhh go back to alt.autotheism where you belong! Brian /-|-\ " 7094,19,"From: rjk@world.std.com (Robert J. Kolker) Subject: Odds and Ends Keywords: Cheap shots a Christianity Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 46 Just a few cheap shots a Christianity: Riddle: What is the shortest street in Jerusalem? Answer: The Street of the Righteous Poles. Limrick: There was an archeologist Thostle Who found an amazing fossil By the way it was bent And the knot it the end 'twas the penis of Paul the Apostle. Jingle: Christianity hits the spot Twelve Apostles thats a lot Jesus Christ and a Virgin too Christianity's the faith for you (with apologies to Pepsi Cola and its famous jingle) Riddle: How many Christians does it take to save a light bulb. Answer: None, only Jesus can save. Aphorism: Jesus Saves Moses Invests Proof that Jesus was Jewish: 1. He lived at home till he was 33 2. He went into his fathers business 3. He thought he mother was a virgin 4. His mother thought he was God. QED. So long you all Bob Kolker ""I would rather spend eternity in Hell with interesting people than eternity in Heaven with Christians"" -- ""If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"" " 7095,8,"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Re: Its still cold, but... Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken >up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about >30F. Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet. >Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider. Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long have you been sleeping with your helmet on?? Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" " 7096,5,"From: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.j.fielden) Subject: X benchmarks Keywords: benchmark Organization: AT&T Lines: 17 We are in the process of evaluating X-terminals. This includes running XRemote over a serial line. I would like to run some X benchmarks to determine comparative performance. Has anyone written any such benchmarks, or know of any useful programs on the net ? I heard of a program called ""Xstone"", but I couldn't locate it using archie. Please reply to afielden@mlsma.att.com, as I don't get to read this newsgroup much. Thanks in advance for any help. -- +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |Andrew Fielden. AT&T Network Systems UK | Tel : +44 666 832023 | |Information Systems Group (SUN support) | Email : afielden@mlsma.att.com | +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ " 7097,7,"From: wchutt@alex.monsanto.com (Bill C Hutton) Subject: MR2 Car Cover For Sale Organization: Monsanto Company X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 19 For Sale: Fitted car cover specifically for '91',92,'93 MR-2. Top of the line Evolution-3 [TM] fabric. Used for less than 6 months. The cover is in excellent condition-no rips, cuts, stains or other blemishes. It has grommets for a locking cable. The color is silver. Price: $90 f.o.b. will ship collect please contact wchutt@monsanto.com or phone at 314 576 3798 after 6 pm CDT " 7098,4,"From: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani) Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: ricks Reply-To: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-2 In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> you write: |>>After having used both Syqyest and Bernoulli's, I most enthuiastically |>>recommend |>>Bernoulli's. Syquests (although more popular) are much slower, prone to |>>cartridge |> |>What does your friends have? Buy it. |> |>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical and stop I bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of diffrent storage solutions, OPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli. Since I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev e disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies alot. you ran out of storage real fast. IMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge Homayoon Akhiani ""Turning Ideas into ... Reality"" Digital Equipment Corporation ""Alpha, The New Beginning"" 77 Reed Rd. Hudson, MA 01701 ""All Rights Reserved. Copyright(c)1993"" Email: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com ""The words are mine, and not my employer"" " 7099,11,"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 58 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson) writes: >amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >>Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >>effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >>the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, ... > >And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had >to send people into the Watergate. > This appears to be generic calling upon the name of the anti-christ. Just for the hell of it, let's destroy this remark. Let us imagine that the executive branch actually could extract keys from the escrow houses without anyone knowing, or telling. Now what? Dick has 80 bits of data. What the hell's he gonna do with it? 1) Trot around to the telco and say 'we'd like an unauthorised decrypting tap'. Uh huh. 2) Break in to watergate and install his own tap (so his people still do have to break in, neat, huh?) record some noise, then get the Executive Branch Phone Decryption Box (huh? they've got one? Goodness, wait 'til the washington post gets hold of this) and decrypt the noise. 3) More likely, stare at the key, and say 'Oh, hell it's not worth all this bloody hassle' Truth is, even granted *lots* of covert power on the part of the Executive Branch, this system is *more* difficult to tap with than POTS gear. The fact that it is easier to tap than some hypothetical system neither you nor I am going to place on our phones is neither here nor there. The only rational concerns I am seeing raised are: a) is the key really just chopped in half, and not some XOR arrangement? That is, has some egregious technical error been built in to the plan? b) is this is the first step toward strict regulation of strong encryption? >But that's not really the issue. The real issue is whether this >will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private >(i.e., anything else) encryption methods. This is b), of course. I suspect not. If the government actually wanted to make such regs, they'd just do it. A few hundred people on Usenet yelling about it wouldn't even slow the machine down. Besides, who is this mysterious 'they' who's going to take away all our rights the instant we let our guard down? Congress? That gang of buffoons can't even balance their checkbooks. The FBI? But.. they don't make the laws. The NSA? Ditto. The white house? Bill Clinton is probably still looking for the bathroom. It's a big place, after all. Andrew > >Al " 7100,2,"From: marshalk@mercury.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: Grey Scale while in windows? Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 6 Distribution: world Reply-To: marshalk@mercury.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Marshall) NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.swindon.rtsg.mot.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kevin Marshall, Operational Support, Motorola ECID, Swindon, UK. | | E-mail : marshalk@zeus | | Phone : +44 793 545127 (International) (0793) 545127 (Domestic) | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 7101,8,"From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... In-Reply-To: cjackson@adobe.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:13:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> Lines: 25 ""cjackson"" == Curtis Jackson writes: cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're impaired. I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy. Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto. cjackson> ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom cjackson> in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal. Then again, he also smoked dope. -- jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...) This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov ""You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."" Skate UNIX or die, boyo. " 7102,10,"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) Subject: Re: Re-Alignnment, Expansion Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey Lines: 33 In article andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.175946.7727@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> nixdorf@etre (Eric Nixdorf) writes: >> >> Looking at the way the divisions were re-aligned, there are six teams each >>in the Central (Norris) and Pacific (Smyth) divisions, while there are seven >>teams each in the Northeast (Adams) and Atlantic (Patrick) divisions. The >>thought occurs to me that inherent in the realignment is expansion of one team >>in the Central division and one team in the Pacific division, although I've >>seen nothing published that indicates that. > >Actually, when the NHL expansion committee was formed a couple of years back >(before the Ottawa and Tampa Bay expansion), John Zeigler stated at the time >that it was the NHL's expansion plan to grow to 28 teams (7 per division) by >the turn of the century. > >-- >Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com >HP IDACOM Telecom Division | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 > >During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... Last night during a Sharks' broadcast, Commissioner Bettman was interviewed during the first intermission. He made no bones about it, the expansion to 28 is on permanent hold until he is satisfied that the current allotment of 26 are fully stable. This means that cities looking for a club in the foreseeable future will have to wait until one team in some location fails or looks to relocate. This is good, IMO. There's no sense in expanding if it only means more failing franchises are in the mold. -Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil " 7103,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 21 I find it interesting that cls never answered any of the questions posed. Then he goes on the make statements which make me shudder. He has established a two-tiered God. One set of rules for the Jews (his people) and another set for the saved Gentiles (his people). Why would God discriminate? Does the Jew who accepts Jesus now have to live under the Gentile rules. God has one set of rules for all his people. Paul was never against the law. In fact he says repeatedly that faith establishes rather that annuls the law. Paul's point is germane to both Jews and Greeks. The Law can never be used as an instrument of salvation. And please do not combine the ceremonial and moral laws in one. In Matt 5:14-19 Christ plainly says what He came to do and you say He was only saying that for the Jews's benefit. Your Christ must be a politician, speaking from both sides of His mouth. As Paul said, ""I have not so learned Christ."" Forget all the theology, just do what Jesus says. Your excuses will not hold up in a court of law on earth, far less in God's judgement hall. Darius " 7104,5,"From: ksc@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.s.cobler) Subject: XFree86 and Esix 4.0.4 Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Keywords: esix Lines: 39 Hello Netlanders: I am a novice X user with a question for any Xgod. My computer configuration with the X problem is as follows: 486DX50/256/16RAM running Esix 4.0.4 Wangtek AT-style interface 250 M tape drive. I have loaded the Basic OS (which includes nsu) and inet utilities (tcp/ip). I ftp-ed the XFree86 (X11R5) binaries and installed properly. I can execute startx and run X-windows with no problems. However, if I try to access the tape drive while in X, the machine locks up instantly. If I am out of X and access the tape, the tape drive works fine. Soon as I try to startx again; the screen changes modes, but, the grey background pattern does not come up and no xterm is forked. I have to login from another terminal and execute a shutdown to reset the system. I've contacted Esix about this problem. They claim THEIR X-window X11R4 server (which I have) works with the Wangtek tape drive. They also claim I only need the nsu (network system utilities) to run X; I don't need inet (tcp/ip). My experience has been that I need BOTH to get XFree86 to work. I'm not too concerned about having to load both nsu and inet packages to get X to work unless the inet package is causing my problem. I would like to get both X and my tape drive to co-exist on the same system. If you can shed any light on the problem, it would be appreciated. One colleague implied this might be a hardware conflict. If this is true, what direction should I look to resolve the conflict ? Thanks, Kenneth Cobler ksc@ihlpv.att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories 263 Shuman Blvd. Naperville, IL 60566 " 7105,10,"From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) Subject: Keenan signs with the Rangers!! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 11 Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers, and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers. The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because they were very interested in him. Oh well. Go CAPS!!!!!!! Connin -- " 7106,14,"From: baez@guitar.ucr.edu (john baez) Subject: End of the Space Age Article-I.D.: galaxy.29034 Organization: University of California, Riverside Lines: 82 Nntp-Posting-Host: guitar.ucr.edu There is an interesting opinion piece in the business section of today's LA Times (Thursday April 15, 1993, p. D1). I thought I'd post it to stir up some flame wars - I mean reasoned debate. Let me preface it by saying that I largely agree that the ""Space Age"" in the romantic sense of several decades ago is over, and that projects like the space station miss the point at this time. Reading, for example, ""What's New"" - the weekly physics update we get here on the net - it's clear that the romance of the day lies in the ever more fine-grained manipulation of matter: by which I include biotechnology, condensed matter physics (with its spinoffs in computer hardware and elsewhere), and the amazing things people are doing with individual atoms these days. To a large extent, I think, the romance some people still have with space is a matter of nostalgia. I feel sure that someday we - or more precisely, our ""mind children"" - will spread across space (unless we wipe ourselves out); but I think that *manned* space exploration is not what is exciting about what we can do *now*. Anyway, let me quote some of this article, but not all... SPACE AGE GLORY FADES FROM VIEW Micheal Schrage (writer, consultant, and research associate at MIT) At 35, America's Space Age won't have to suffer through the angst of a midlife crisis. The reason is that the Space Age is already dead. The technologies no longer define our times, and the public has grown weary of the multibillion -dollar celestial investments that yield minimal psychic or economic rewards. Space exploration has mutated from a central focuse of America's science and technology debate into a peripheral issue. Speace is not a meaningful part of the ongoing industrial competitiveness debate, our technology infrastructure discussions or even our defense conversion policy. To be sure, America should continue to invest in satellite technologies for telecommunications and remote sensing - cheap deep-space probes would be nice too - but the ideal of space as a meaningful driver of scientific and industrial innovation is now dead. ..... Before the change in administrations, it would have been foolish to write an obituary for the Space Age. The Bush White House aggressively supported the space program and proposed spending well over $30 billion to build space station Freedom alone. Even as he proposed budget cuts in other science and technology domains, Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman was an outspoken public champion of big-ticket space expenditures. The reality that much of the civilian space program - from the shuttle to the Hubble telescope to the space station - was poorly conceived and unimpressively implemented did not seem to matter much. Political inertia and a nostalgic sense of futurism - not a coherent vision or cost-effective sensibilities - determined multibillion-dollar space budgets. Indeed, with few notable exceptions, such as Voyager, the post-Apollo era is the story of the gold-plated porkification of space exploration with programs and promises that delivered less for more and more. ...... While the Clinton Administration has kept on the highly regarded Daniel Goldin as administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, it seems clear that space exploration is not being positioned as either a symbolic or substantive centerpiece of America's technological prowess. The space station budget has - rightly - been slashed. Space is virtually ignored when the Administration champions its competitiveness agenda. ...... ""I wish this had happened 10 years ago instead of starting to happen now,"" says Bruce Murray, a Caltech professor who ran NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena. ""We've put off a lot of things we shouldn't have.... I would rather see a $10-billion NASA doing well than a $40-billion one filled with white elephants."" " 7107,4,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Lines: 11 d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes ... >But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips >you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at >200 MHz. The only problem is going to be finding someone who can make a 200MHz computer system. Could be tough. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 7108,1,"From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) Subject: Diamond Stelth 24- any good? Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 4 I am in the market for a 24-bit graphics card for a PC (ISA bus), and was wondering if anyone had any comments (good? bad? otherwise?) regarding the Diamond Stealth 24? " 7109,2,"From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) Subject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11 Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 58 In sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >--- >With my limited knowladge about the PC Geos, I came out with following >comparison: > PC Geos Windows OS/2 Unix/X11 > ________ _______ ____ _______ >2. can run win > programs nop yap yap nop ^ Novell is at least demoing windows apps running under UNIXWare. >5. can run unix nop I have not nop yap > heard of it ^ ^ Try MKS. MKS & others, esp. EMX Note here: the MKS toolkit (for DOS/Windows & OS/2) gives you a good suite of standard UNIX utilities. There are other similar systems from other vendors as well. The EMX system for OS/2 gives you most of the standard UNIX system calls for recompiling your UNIX programs under OS/2. Not quite the same thing as actually running UNIX programs directly in either case, but EMX makes OS/2 almost as compatible with UNIX systems as many UNIX systems are with each other. And, best of all, EMX is free. :-) There is a similar system (GO32) for DOS, but it doesn't work with Windows, as far as I know. >7. price $120 $70 $120 free-$1000s > A good one > costs $400-$700 > avaliable on Ext. > card too. Should add in the cost for DOS with both Geos and Windows, neither of which is a standalone OS at this point. Neither OS/2 nor UNIX requires DOS. BTW, two of the best unices I've seen for the pee cee are UNIXWare ($300 for the personal edition) and LINUX (free). So I don't agree that ""a good one costs $400-$700."" :-) And, if you really want to check out the various options available to you, you should also look into DESQview and DESQview/X. cheers -- Chris Waters | the insane don't |""Judy's in the bedroom, xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Inventing situations."" -D. Byrne " 7110,13,"From: sdbsd5@cislabs.pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) Subject: Japanese for Scientists and Engineers Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 101 INTENSIVE JAPANESE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THIS SUMMER ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The University of Pittsburgh is offering two intensive Japanese language courses this summer. Both courses, Intensive Elementary Japanese and Intensive Intermediate Japanese, are ten week, ten credit courses each equivalent to one full year of Japanese language study. They begin June 7 and end August 13. The courses meet five days per week, five hours per day. There is a flat rate tuition charge of $1600 per course. Fellowships available for science and engineering students. Contact Steven Brener, Program Manager of the Japanese Science and Technology Management Program, at the University of Pittsburgh at the number or address below. ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. ####################################################################### ################# New Program Announcement ######################## ####################################################################### JAPANESE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM The Japanese Science and Technology Management Program (JSTMP) is a new program jointly developed by the University of Pittsbugh and Carnegie Mellon University. Students and professionals in the engineering and scientific communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in June 1993 and January 1994. PROGRAM OBJECTIVES The program intends to promote technology transfer between Japan and the United States. It is also designed to let scientists, engineers, and managers experience how the Japanese proceed with technological development. This is facilitated by extended internships in Japanese research facilities and laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop long-term professional relationships with their Japanese counterparts. PROGRAM DESIGN To fulfill the objectives of the program, participants will be required to develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of Japan and its culture. Correspondingly, JSTMP consists of three major components: 1. TRAINING IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE Several Japanese language courses will be offered, including intensive courses designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a relatively short time. 2. EDUCATION IN JAPANESE BUSINESS AND SOCIAL CULTURE A particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the cultural and educational basis of Japanese management approaches in manufacturing and information technology. Courses will be available in a variety of departments throughout both universities including Anthropology, Sociology, History, and Political Science. Moreover, seminars and colloquiums will be conducted. Further, a field trip to Japanese manufacturing or research facilities in the United States will be scheduled. 3. AN INTERNSHIP OR A STUDY MISSION IN JAPAN Upon completion of their language and cultural training at PITT and CMU, participants will have the opportunity to go to Japan and observe, and participate in the management of technology. Internships in Japan will generally run for one year; however, shorter ones are possible. FELLOWSHIPS COVERING TUITION FOR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE COURSES, AS WELL AS STIPENDS FOR LIVING EXPENSES ARE AVAILABLE. FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION MATERIALS CONTACT STEVEN BRENER SUSIE BROWN JSTMP Carnegie Mellon University, GSIA University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 4E25 Forbes Quadrangle Telephone: (412) 268-7806 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 FAX: (412) 268-8163 Telephone: (412) 648-7414 FAX: (412) 648-2199 ############################################################################ ############################################################################ Interested individuals, companies and institutions should respond by phone or mail. Please do not inquire via e-mail. Please note that this is directed at grads and professionals, however, advanced undergrads will be considered. Further, funding is resticted to US citizens and permanent residents of the US. Steve Brener " 7111,15,"From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) Subject: Religious wars Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Lines: 33 I don't know if this is the sort of thing you guys like to discuss. I guess it falls into the area of apologetics. This is a question that seems to pop up now and again in conversations with non-christians. It usually appears in the following sort of unqualified statement: ""Well you know that religion has caused more wars than anything else"" It bothers me that I cannot seem to find a satisfactory response to this. After all if our religion is all about peace and love why have there been so many religious wars? Personally I am of the view that religion has often been used as an excuse to instigate wars often to disguise national ambitions but I would love to hear what anyone else has to say about this subject. Thanks in advance Andrew J Fraser (If we're thinking in terms of history, the Crusades, Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia(?) come immediately to mind) northern Ireland, Yugoslavia (? -- ========================================================================= || Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk || || ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow. || || Standard disclaimers... || [I'm beginning to suspect that the natural condition of humans is conflict. Perhaps we should not ask whether a religion or philosophy has been involved in any wars -- since they all have -- but whether it has stopped any. --clh] " 7112,9,"From: jaufrecht@pomona.claremont.edu Subject: Dodgers newsletter? Article-I.D.: pomona.0096A95C.A0CBE0E8 Reply-To: jaufrecht@pomona.claremont.edu Organization: Pomona College Lines: 3 Could somebody please tell me if there is a Dodgers newsletter on the Net, and if so how to subscribe? Thanks, Joel " 7113,9,"From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) Subject: Early BBDDD Returns? Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 13 Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the BB DDD this year. I expect the Phillies staff, while getting the wins, would have to rank up there. Luis Gonzalez and Derrick May are among the early league leaders, and all 6 of their bombs have come at the Phils' expense. Neither of them have exactly been know for their tater prowess in the past. How have the Rockies been early? I know Mile High has produced a ton of runs, but is it the launching pad everyone expected yet? A concerned fan of the BB DDD, Adam ""Witness to the Phillies lone loss of the season so far"" Levin " 7114,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: |> Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the |> Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the |> hostile occupiers in WWII. Actually, this is incorrect. French resistance may have played some part in hindering the German war effort, however the crucial role was supplied on D-Day. |> Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the |> Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the |> only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving |> out the US) Interesting statement. Especially when you consider that Lebanon had claimed to have made progress in the peace talks, as well as Israel. Of course, one of the prime obstacles to Israel's complete withdrawal is the lack of governmental control that can be applied to the area as well as the large presence of Syrian forces which have not been asked to withdraw as well. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 7115,15,"From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 14 I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in 1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and repression."" My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as automatically above reproach. mp " 7116,16,"From: auerbach@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Lines: 23 In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >>but here goes: >> > In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a >woman would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you ^^^^^ What an incrediblt sexist remark! Come now, Mike, what ever possessed you to make such a un-PC remark? I hope all women out there reading this are as incensed as I am. Remember, WOMAN ARE JUST AS GOOD AS MEN!!!! Women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men. In fact, insist on every oppurtunity to be even more stupid than men! You've got the right, use it! Hey, it's a slow afternoon and I really don't want to get back to that report...;) BTW: mega-smileys for the humor impaired... Karl " 7117,12,"From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 41 In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that >this board would be most appropriate. >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways. Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently seen rising out of these towers. That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape. The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference (sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage ""hot"" turbine to final stage ""cold"" turbine). R. Tim Coslet Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com technology, n. domesticated natural phenomena " 7118,17,From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Freeman Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Watch your language ASSHOLE!!!! --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo 7119,14,"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 13 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that you just can not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth that does not provide a stable orbit around the Moon??? C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon " 7120,7,"From: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala) Subject: $13,500 Mazda 626 DX (with Air, AM/FM) Good Deal? Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.dev.cdx.mot.com Reply-To: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala) Organization: Motorola Codex Lines: 12 Hi Netters I want to know if 13500 (w/o tax) is a good deal for 1993 Mazda 626 DX How is the performance review so far on Mazda 626. Is it a good buy? Please reply to me as I don't read this group often. Thanks In advance Ravi -- Ravi Kiran Puvvala | ""The purpose of education is not merely, ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com | the assimilation of facts but blow all Motorola Codex, Boston MA | the money"" - Ravi Puvvala ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7121,17,"Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Paul H. Pimentel Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II <1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu> Lines: 5 What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. " 7122,16,"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: Reminder -- Denver Rally Tomorrow Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 23 ***************************************************************** * * * MONSTER RALLY!! * * == For the Right to Own and Carry Weapons == * * * * TOMORROW, Sunday, April 18, 1993, from 1:00 to 3:30 p.m., * * the Denver LIBERTARIAN PARTY will sponsor a rally * * AT THE STATE CAPITOL in support of * * the individual right to own and carry weapons. * * * * Speakers will include former Colorado deputy attorney general * * DAVID KOPEL, radio host KEN HAMBLIN, DLP Chair DAVID SEGAL, * * pistol instructor LENDA JACKSON, and novelist L. NEIL SMITH. * * * * Your presence and participation are highly welcome. For more * * information call David Segal at (303) 296-4059. * * * ***************************************************************** Cathy Smith My opinions are, of course, my own. " 7123,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: >In article randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: > > Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, > that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs > >Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for >just the amplifier. I can just see it. You need to slow >down on a downgrade, so you hit the push to talk button. Now, that indeed is possible. A good friend of mine is running about 1 KW PeP from his car. Yes, he does have a second alternator. Yes, he calls the rig an ""electronic brake"" since the engine noticeably slows when the key is down. My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's astonishingly sensitive to RFI. If I key a 2W HT over the engine with the hood open, the car loses timing due to the RF leaking into the distributor pickup. Very poor design. I will, however, point out that ham radio operators are usually quite willing to help when interference is detected. Remember that any interference is wasted power; if I put out 1W in the TV band, that's 1W that I am not putting out in the band I am trying to transmit on, and 1W can often be the difference between a nice card hanging on the wall, and nothing. CBers, however, are usually not as helpful. Most illegal CBers, however, will stop operation when you inform them of a problem. The rest of them will stop operation when you inform the local FCC office of the problem (in writing, and giving details and addresses). >Last, you can usually tell ham radio vs. CB. Ham operators are >required to declare their call (sign) every so many minutes (no more >than 10). So if you hear ""This is WA1QT"" or some other call starting >with A, W or K and no more than 6 total characters, you heard a ham. >CB'ers probably won't sign (I don't know that they're even required >to) and fire/police have other private ids. Good advice. Hams will frequently give their call, and will never use a ""handle."" They are less apt to use immense amounts of profanity as well, but that's not to say that they don't from time to time. --scott " 7124,1,"From: peterbak@microsoft.com (Peter Bako) Subject: JPEG file format? Organization: Microsoft Corp. Lines: 11 Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used. Any suggestions? Peter -- (*)-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-\/-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+(*) ( UUCP: peterbak@microsoft || Is this all that I am? Is there ) ( CompuServe: 71170,1426 || nothing more? - V'ger ) (*)-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-/\-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+(*) " 7125,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 In article <115713@bu.edu>, uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: > More than shocking. What this says to me is no less than that > government is very interested in monitoring the public. This does more > than scare me, it mortifies me. If this is any surprise to you, *I'm* shocked. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 7126,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 297 In article hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes: >article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know >what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =) Very simple. ""X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds."" After all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) >To which I say: >Hear, hear. Motion seconded. You must be a new Armenian clown. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF crooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in such a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged/non-existent junk has already been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer and hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible for the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering Turkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically calls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian and criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government as merely a step on the road to said genocide. Now where shall I begin? #From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) #Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN #Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar #Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar: >From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian) >Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org> >In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto. >edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question: >[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other >[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of >[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna. >The obvious ridiculous ""Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems"" is the most >outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this >net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one >day! > - - - start yalanci.txt - - - [some parts are deleted] >In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the >Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to >revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational >definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish): >[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1] >[Yalanci] >[Yalanci] ""The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks >[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding >[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, >[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of >[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and >[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks >[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."" >[Yalanci] >[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, ""Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"" >[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157. >This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On >page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the >chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub- >Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on >Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia. >There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above. - - - >Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay! >The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while >covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the >ridiculous ""historical"" material publicly displayed! >David Davidian | The life of a people is a sea, and Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,""Genocide..."" and what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book was like ""voice of Armenian revolutionists"" and although I read the whole book, I could not find the original quota. But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows: > According to Leo:[1] >""The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on > the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own > affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was > actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the > Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party > political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian > bayonets for their success."" >[1] B. A. Leo. ""The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey,"" vol II, ====================================================================== > p. 157. ====== QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT ! DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR. Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly... You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least we may save time by not dealing with your lies. And for the following line: >Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay! I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you. I hope you will be drowned in your lies. Ahmet PARLAKBILEK #From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan) #Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu> In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu >(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu. >11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: > >[(*] Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, >[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) >[(*] (287 pages). > >[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published >[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page >[DD] 178, we are asked to believe: > >[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... > >[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) >[VD] ******** > >[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you >[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?.. > >Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]! o boy! Please, can you tell us why those quotes are ""crap""?..because you do not like them!!!...because they really exist...why? As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source given by Serdar Argic .. You couldn't reject it... > >In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK >was published in 1924. Here we go again.. In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively! (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of pages, please ask by sct) I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924) What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your groundless accussations, etc. > [...] > >[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim! > >[VD] what is new? > >I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there >is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time! I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication) and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you are avoiding the real issues by twisting around.. Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication) First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You called Serdar Argic a liar!.. I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote... (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.) And now, you are lying again and talking about ""modified,re-published book"" (without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..).. (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty well suited theories', as usual) And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number and page numbers again for the library use, which are: 949.6 R 198 and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215 > >It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has >377! Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying ""it is not possible..."" ..If not, what is your point? Differences in the number of pages? Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934.. No need to use the same book size and the same letter charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!! The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year first published.. And you tried to hide the whole point.. the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given by Serdar Argic exist!! It was the issue, wasn't-it? you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a ""crap"".. People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still has so many ""craps"" in the 1993. Any question? hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) > Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to >lose count around 1.5 million. Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with. You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists, the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian criminal organizations. Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up. Not a chance. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7127,15,"From: muirm@argon.gas.organpipe.uug.arizona.edu (maxwell c muir) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 75 Can someone cite Biblical references to homosexuality being immoral, other than Leviticus? So far, when I ask, around here, I get the verses from Leviticus spouted at me, but the whole rest of that book tends to be ignored by Christians (haven't seen any stonings in a _long_ time :-). Later, Max (Bob) Muir [The list was posted not long ago, as I recall, aside from Lev, commonly cited passages are: the story of Sodom. Note however that this was a homosexual rape, and there's no disagreement that that is wrong. I take an intermediate position on this: note that Sodom is referred to elsewhere in the Bible for its sinfulness. It doesn't seem to have been known specifically for homosexuality. Rather, I think it was considered a cesspool of all sins. However from what we know of Jewish attitudes, homosexuality would have contributed to the horror of the action described. (It almost seems to have been contrived to combine about as many forms of evil in one act as possible: homosexual rape of guests, who were actually angels.) But this story is not specifically about homosexuality. In the NT, the clear references are all from Paul's letters. In Rom 1, there is a passage that presupposes that homosexuality is an evil. Note that the passage isn't about homosexuality -- it's about idolatry. Homosexuality is visited on people as a punishment, or at least result, of idolatry. There are a number of arguments over this passage. It does not use the word ""homosexuality"", and it is referring to people who are by nature heterosexual practicing homosexuality. So it's not what I'd call an explicit teaching against all homosexuality. But it does seem to support what would be a natural assumption anyway, that Paul shares the general negative Jewish attitude towards homosexuality. The other passages occur in lists of sins, in I Cor 6:9, and I Tim 1:10. Unfortunately it's not entirely clear what the words used here mean. There have been suggestions that one has a broader meaning, such as ""wanton"", and that another may be specifically ""male prostitute"". Again, we don't have here a precise teaching about homosexuality, but it is at least weak supportive evidence that Paul shared the OT's negative judgement on homosexuality. Jude 1:7 is sometimes cited, however it's probably not relevant. The context in Jude involves angels. Since those who were almost raped in Sodom were angels, it seems likely that ""strange flesh"" refers to intercourse with angels. As you can see, the NT evidence is such that people's conclusion is determined by their approach to the Bible. Conservatives note that the passages from Paul's letters imply that he accepted the OT prohibition. This is enough for them to regard it as having NT endorsement. Liberals note that there's no specific teaching, and no clear definition of what is being prohibited or why (is the concern in Rom 1 the connection of homosexuality to pagan worship? what exactly do the words in the lists of sins mean?). Thus some believe it is legitimate to regard this as a attitude Paul took with him from his background and not a specific teaching of the Gospel. This is an explosive topic, which tends to result in long dissertations on the exact meaning of various Greek words. But it's clear to me that that's mostly irrelevant. What it really comes down to is whether people are looking to the Bible for law or whether they believe that such as approach is inconsistent with the Gospel. This appears to depend upon one's reaction to the message of the Bible as a whole, as well as one's perception of the needs of the church today. This is a difference of approach at least as serious as the difference between Protestant and Catholic in the 16th Cent, and one where both sides believe that the Bible is so obviously on their side that they keep thinking all they have to do is quote a few more passages and the other side will finally come to their senses. That makes things very frustrating for a moderator, who realizes that such an optimistic outcome is not very likely... --clh] " 7128,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 37 Marc Horowitz N1NZU (marc@mit.edu) wrote: : The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the : following address: : : clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) : : Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer. : : % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 ...list of name elided for brevity...... : : Well, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc : Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others. The Government, RSA, : TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented. I don't suppose anybody : within any of these organizations would care to comment? Or is this : just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes? I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has already fired off a letter of protest to NIST. My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together. Some of them, yes. Others, no. This may be nothing more than a mailing list of people who get crypto-related announcements from NSA, er, I mean ""NIST."" -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 7129,3,"From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 39 jamesc@netcom.com (James Chuang) writes: >When you leave your radio on at night, it may not be doing anything useful. >But computers can do something useful even when YOU are not in front of it. >Just because MS-DOS and WINDOZE does not know how to schedule tasks does >not mean that all computers hould be shut down every night. >I bet starting up NT every morning means a good coffee break.... >jamesc >-- >========================================= >If someone asks if you are a God, you say... YES! In addition to startup time, I leave things running because my PC doubles as a fax machine. However, this is off the original subject. I didn't get the replies on BIOS, CMOS, and DOS clock/date logic. All I know is that I've been running this way for many months and it is only recently, the last month, that I have noticed the intermittent clock problem. As I stated, it is not always the date that doesn't roll forward, sometimes I notice that the clock is several minutes behind where it ought to be. When unattended, the following are generally running minimized in Win 3.1: Clock, WinFax Pro 3.0, Print Manager, MS-Word 1.1, File Manager, Program Manager A random screen saver is generally running too. -- Barry Sardis | Home: (408) 448-1589 1241 Laurie Avenue | Office: (408) 448-7404 San Jose, CA 95125 | Fax: (408) 448-7404 Email: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM " 7130,2,"From: dshanks@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Shanks) Subject: Re: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Keywords: Quicken Tobias Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 89 In article <1993Apr20.040449.19649@twg.com> q@twg.com (Michael Wiesenberg) writes: >Anyway, is anyone aware of a comparitive study of the two programs? >Or can someone just give me their own personal impressions? Maybe PC Magazine, January 12, 1993 had a review of several personal finance management programe, as did PC-Computing, January 1993. PC World, December 1992 also had articles about Quicken and Managing Your Money. I can email you copies of these articles if you can't find them at your library. I've been using Managing Your Money for several years, and I have several friends who use Quicken, though I've not used it myself. My overall impression is that Quicken is a financial accounts manager while Managing Your Money will help you more completely manage your finances. Here are some features that I believe Managing Your Money and Quicken share: The ability to keep records for each of your financial accounts: checking, savings, charge, cash, or brokerage. You can reconcile your account statements with the records the program keeps. The ability to make a budget and track your spending against that budget. A Checkfree module which will allow you to use the Checkfree bill paying service to pay your bills via your modem. The ability to print checks on your printer. The ability to keep loan records and set up automatic loan payments. The ability to import stock quotations to keep your brokerage accounts up to date. I know Managing Your Money can do this automatically via modem. Quicken probably can as well, but I'm not sure about it. The ability to export tax information to popular tax preparation programs. Here are some features that I believe Managing Your Money has that Quicken does not: A tax prediction module. This looks at your accounts and budget to predict your tax liability for the coming year. It's usefull to fine tune your withholding so Uncle Sam doesn't get his due too early. An insurance and vital records module. This is a place to keep records of your insurance policies as well as other vital records. It can also compute your life expectancy. A financial analysis module. This computes compound interest, effects of inflation, loan payments term or interest, yield to maturity for bonds, savings account yields, days between dates, and loan amortization schedules. It also has functions to help you decide whether to refinance your mortgage, whether you can afford a particular home, whether a particular rental property is a good investment, whether you should buy lease or rent, and whether a particular investment's cash flow is adequate for your situation. This module can also help you plan for retirement and for helping your kids with their tuition. A net worth module. This is a place to record all your assets and liabilities. Your net worth can be computed from this information. Any assets or liabilities recorded in other modules are automatically included here. A ""desk"" module. This includes a small word processor, a card file you can use to store names, addresses, phone numbers and other vital information about friends and associates, a perpetual calander, a rudimentary calculator, a to-do list, a reminder list, an appointment list, and a place to record your phone calls (for those who need to track such things). Your appointments, reminders and to-do list can be made to display automatically when you start the program. There are probably some things listed above that Quicken has, but I'm almost sure that Quicken doesn't do everything I've listed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure hordes of Quicken devotees will flame me to a crisp. One thing that Quicken has that Managing Your Money does not yet have is a Windows version. MECA software is rumored to be working on a Windows version of Managing Your Money for release late this year. I hope this information is of use to you. I've found Managing Your Money to be a very usefull program for keeping my financial records. On the other hand I know many people who are equally as happy with Quicken. If Quicken has all the features you need or want, I'd go with it. If you find any of the Managing Your Money features that Quicken doesn't have to be useful, I think it's well worth the price. " 7131,15,"From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: Deification Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering Lines: 19 Aaron Bryce Cardenas writes: >Basically the prophet's writings make up the Old Testament, the apostles' >writings make up the New Testament. These writings, recorded in the Bible, >are the foundation of the church. hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes: >That seems a most peculiar interpretation of the text. The ""apostles and >prophets"" were PEOPLE, rather than writings. And there were new testament >prophets as well, who built up the churches. Remember the OT doctrine of 2 witnesses? Perhaps the prophets testified He is coming. The Apostles, testified He came. After all, what does prophesy mean? Secondly, what is an Apostle? Answer: an especial witness--one who is suppose to be a personal witness. That means to be a true apostle, one must have Christ appear to them. Now lets see when did the church quit claiming ......? " 7132,0,"From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument Summary: Includes a list of logical fallacies Keywords: FAQ, atheism, argument, fallacies, logic Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930322114724@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 632 Archive-name: atheism/logic Alt-atheism-archive-name: logic Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.4 Constructing a Logical Argument Although there is much argument on Usenet, the general quality of argument found is poor. This article attempts to provide a gentle introduction to logic, in the hope of improving the general level of debate. Logic is the science of reasoning, proof, thinking, or inference [Concise OED]. Logic allows us to analyze a piece of reasoning and determine whether it is correct or not (valid or invalid). Of course, one does not need to study logic in order to reason correctly; nevertheless, a little basic knowledge of logic is often helpful when constructing or analyzing an argument. Note that no claim is being made here about whether logic is universally applicable. The matter is very much open for debate. This document merely explains how to use logic, given that you have already decided that logic is the right tool for the job. Propositions (or statements) are the building blocks of a logical argument. A proposition is a statement which is either true or false; for example, ""It is raining"" or ""Today is Tuesday"". Propositions may be either asserted (said to be true) or denied (said to be false). Note that this is a technical meaning of ""deny"", not the everyday meaning. The proposition is the meaning of the statement, not the particular arrangement of words used to express it. So ""God exists"" and ""There exists a God"" both express the same proposition. An argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, ""a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition"". An argument consists of three stages. First of all, the propositions which are necessary for the argument to continue are stated. These are called the premises of the argument. They are the evidence or reasons for accepting the argument and its conclusions. Premises (or assertions) are often indicated by phrases such as ""because"", ""since"", ""obviously"" and so on. (The phrase ""obviously"" is often viewed with suspicion, as it can be used to intimidate others into accepting suspicious premises. If something doesn't seem obvious to you, don't be afraid to question it. You can always say ""Oh, yes, you're right, it is obvious"" when you've heard the explanation.) Next, the premises are used to derive further propositions by a process known as inference. In inference, one proposition is arrived at on the basis of one or more other propositions already accepted. There are various forms of valid inference. The propositions arrived at by inference may then be used in further inference. Inference is often denoted by phrases such as ""implies that"" or ""therefore"". Finally, we arrive at the conclusion of the argument -- the proposition which is affirmed on the basis of the premises and inference. Conclusions are often indicated by phrases such as ""therefore"", ""it follows that"", ""we conclude"" and so on. The conclusion is often stated as the final stage of inference. For example: Every event has a cause (premise) The universe has a beginning (premise) All beginnings involve an event (premise) This implies that the beginning of the universe involved an event (inference) Therefore the universe has a cause (inference and conclusion) Note that the conclusion of one argument might be a premise in another argument. A proposition can only be called a premise or a conclusion with respect to a particular argument; the terms do not make sense in isolation. Sometimes an argument will not follow the order given above; for example, the conclusions might be stated first and the premises stated afterwards in support of the conclusion. This is perfectly valid, if sometimes a little confusing. Recognizing an argument is much harder than recognizing premises or conclusions. Many people shower their writing with assertions without ever producing anything which one might reasonably describe as an argument. Some statements look like arguments, but are not. For example: ""If the Bible is accurate, Jesus must either have been insane, an evil liar, or the Son of God."" This is not an argument, it is a conditional statement. It does not assert the premises which are necessary to support what appears to be its conclusion. (It also suffers from a number of other logical flaws, but we'll come to those later.) Another example: ""God created you; therefore do your duty to God."" The phrase ""do your duty to God"" is not a proposition, since it is neither true nor false. Therefore it is not a conclusion, and the sentence is not an argument. Finally, causality is important. Consider a statement of the form ""A because B"". If we're interested in establishing A and B is offered as evidence, the statement is an argument. If we're trying to establish the truth of B, then it is not an argument, it is an explanation. For example: ""There must be something wrong with the engine of my car, because it will not start."" -- This is an argument. ""My car will not start because there is something wrong with the engine."" -- This is an explanation. There are two traditional types of argument, deductive and inductive. A deductive argument is one which provides conclusive proof of its conclusions -- that is, an argument where if the premises are true, the conclusion must also be true. A deductive argument is either valid or invalid. A valid argument is defined as one where if the premises are true, then the conclusion is true. An inductive argument is one where the premises provide some evidence for the truth of the conclusion. Inductive arguments are not valid or invalid; however, we can talk about whether they are better or worse than other arguments, and about how probable their premises are. There are forms of argument in ordinary language which are neither deductive nor inductive. However, we will concentrate for the moment on deductive arguments, as they are often viewed as the most rigorous and convincing. It is important to note that the fact that a deductive argument is valid does not imply that its conclusion holds. This is because of the slightly counter-intuitive nature of implication, which we must now consider more carefully. Obviously a valid argument can consist of true propositions. However, an argument may be entirely valid even if it contains only false propositions. For example: All insects have wings (premise) Woodlice are insects (premise) Therefore woodlice have wings (conclusion) Here, the conclusion is not true because the argument's premises are false. If the argument's premises were true, however, the conclusion would be true. The argument is thus entirely valid. More subtly, we can reach a true conclusion from one or more false premises, as in: All fish live in the sea (premise) Dolphins are fish (premise) Therefore dolphins live in the sea (conclusion) However, the one thing we cannot do is reach a false conclusion through valid inference from true premises. We can therefore draw up a ""truth table"" for implication. The symbol ""=>"" denotes implication; ""A"" is the premise, ""B"" the conclusion. ""T"" and ""F"" represent true and false respectively. Premise Conclusion Inference A B A=>B ---------------------------- F F T If the premises are false and the inference F T T valid, the conclusion can be true or false. T F F If the premises are true and the conclusion false, the inference must be invalid. T T T If the premises are true and the inference valid, the conclusion must be true. A sound argument is a valid argument whose premises are true. A sound argument therefore arrives at a true conclusion. Be careful not to confuse valid arguments with sound arguments. To delve further into the structure of logical arguments would require lengthy discussion of linguistics and philosophy. It is simpler and probably more useful to summarize the major pitfalls to be avoided when constructing an argument. These pitfalls are known as fallacies. In everyday English the term ""fallacy"" is used to refer to mistaken beliefs as well as to the faulty reasoning that leads to those beliefs. This is fair enough, but in logic the term is generally used to refer to a form of technically incorrect argument, especially if the argument appears valid or convincing. So for the purposes of this discussion, we define a fallacy as a logical argument which appears to be correct, but which can be seen to be incorrect when examined more closely. By studying fallacies we aim to avoid being misled by them. The following list of fallacies is not intended to be exhaustive. ARGUMENTUM AD BACULUM (APPEAL TO FORCE) The Appeal to Force is committed when the arguer resorts to force or the threat of force in order to try and push the acceptance of a conclusion. It is often used by politicians, and can be summarized as ""might makes right"". The force threatened need not be a direct threat from the arguer. For example: ""... Thus there is ample proof of the truth of the Bible. All those who refuse to accept that truth will burn in Hell."" ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM Argumentum ad hominem is literally ""argument directed at the man"". The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when, instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion, the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion. This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not depend upon the goodness of those asserting it. For example: ""Atheism is an evil philosophy. It is practised by Communists and murderers."" Sometimes in a court of law doubt is cast upon the testimony of a witness by showing, for example, that he is a known perjurer. This is a valid way of reducing the credibility of the testimony given by the witness, and not argumentum ad hominem; however, it does not demonstrate that the witness's testimony is false. To conclude otherwise is to fall victim of the Argumentum ad Ignorantiam (see elsewhere in this list). The circumstantial form of Argumentum ad Hominem is committed when a person argues that his opponent ought to accept the truth of an assertion because of the opponent's particular circumstances. For example: ""It is perfectly acceptable to kill animals for food. How can you argue otherwise when you're quite happy to wear leather shoes?"" This is an abusive charge of inconsistency, used as an excuse for dismissing the opponent's argument. This fallacy can also be used as a means of rejecting a conclusion. For example: ""Of course you would argue that positive discrimination is a bad thing. You're white."" This particular form of Argumentum ad Hominem, when one alleges that one's adversary is rationalizing a conclusion formed from selfish interests, is also known as ""poisoning the well"". ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM Argumentum ad ignorantium means ""argument from ignorance"". This fallacy occurs whenever it is argued that something must be true simply because it has not been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that something must be false because it has not been proved true. (Note that this is not the same as assuming that something is false until it has been proved true, a basic scientific principle.) Examples: ""Of course the Bible is true. Nobody can prove otherwise."" ""Of course telepathy and other psychic phenomena do not exist. Nobody has shown any proof that they are real."" Note that this fallacy does not apply in a court of law, where one is generally assumed innocent until proven guilty. Also, in scientific investigation if it is known that an event would produce certain evidence of its having occurred, the absence of such evidence can validly be used to infer that the event did not occur. For example: ""A flood as described in the Bible would require an enormous volume of water to be present on the earth. The earth does not have a tenth as much water, even if we count that which is frozen into ice at the poles. Therefore no such flood occurred."" In science, we can validly assume from lack of evidence that something has not occurred. We cannot conclude with certainty that it has not occurred, however. ARGUMENTUM AD MISERICORDIAM This is the Appeal to Pity, also known as Special Pleading. The fallacy is committed when the arguer appeals to pity for the sake of getting a conclusion accepted. For example: ""I did not murder my mother and father with an axe. Please don't find me guilty; I'm suffering enough through being an orphan."" ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM This is known as Appealing to the Gallery, or Appealing to the People. To commit this fallacy is to attempt to win acceptance of an assertion by appealing to a large group of people. This form of fallacy is often characterized by emotive language. For example: ""Pornography must be banned. It is violence against women."" ""The Bible must be true. Millions of people know that it is. Are you trying to tell them that they are all mistaken fools?"" ARGUMENTUM AD NUMERAM This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. ARGUMENTUM AD VERECUNDIAM The Appeal to Authority uses the admiration of the famous to try and win support for an assertion. For example: ""Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God."" This line of argument is not always completely bogus; for example, reference to an admitted authority in a particular field may be relevant to a discussion of that subject. For example, we can distinguish quite clearly between: ""Stephen Hawking has concluded that black holes give off radiation"" and ""John Searle has concluded that it is impossible to build an intelligent computer"" Hawking is a physicist, and so we can reasonably expect his opinions on black hole radiation to be informed. Searle is a linguist, so it is questionable whether he is well-qualified to speak on the subject of machine intelligence. THE FALLACY OF ACCIDENT The Fallacy of Accident is committed when a general rule is applied to a particular case whose ""accidental"" circumstances mean that the rule is inapplicable. It is the error made when one goes from the general to the specific. For example: ""Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must dislike atheists."" This fallacy is often committed by moralists and legalists who try to decide every moral and legal question by mechanically applying general rules. CONVERSE ACCIDENT / HASTY GENERALIZATION This fallacy is the reverse of the fallacy of accident. It occurs when one forms a general rule by examining only a few specific cases which are not representative of all possible cases. For example: ""Jim Bakker was an insincere Christian. Therefore all Christians are insincere."" SWEEPING GENERALIZATION / DICTO SIMPLICITER A sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation in which the features of that particular situation render the rule inapplicable. A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a hasty generalization. NON CAUSA PRO CAUSA / POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC These are known as False Cause fallacies. The fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa occurs when one identifies something as the cause of an event but it has not actually been shown to be the cause. For example: ""I took an aspirin and prayed to God, and my headache disappeared. So God cured me of the headache."" The fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc occurs when something is assumed to be the cause of an event merely because it happened before the event. For example: ""The Soviet Union collapsed after taking up atheism. Therefore we must avoid atheism for the same reasons."" CUM HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC This fallacy is similar to post hoc ergo propter hoc. It asserts that because two events occur together, they must be causally related, and leaves no room for other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events. PETITIO PRINCIPII This fallacy occurs when the premises are at least as questionable as the conclusion reached. CIRCULUS IN DEMONSTRANDO This fallacy occurs when one assumes as a premise the conclusion which one wishes to reach. Often, the proposition will be rephrased so that the fallacy appears to be a valid argument. For example: ""Homosexuals must not be allowed to hold government office. Hence any government official who is revealed to be a homosexual will lose his job. Therefore homosexuals will do anything to hide their secret, and will be open to blackmail. Therefore homosexuals cannot be allowed to hold government office."" Note that the argument is entirely circular; the premise is the same as the conclusion. An argument like the above has actually been cited as the reason for the British Secret Services' official ban on homosexual employees. Another example is the classic: ""We know that God exists because the Bible tells us so. And we know that the Bible is true because it is the word of God."" COMPLEX QUESTION / FALLACY OF INTERROGATION This is the Fallacy of Presupposition. One example is the classic loaded question: ""Have you stopped beating your wife?"" The question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not even been asked. This trick is often used by lawyers in cross-examination, when they ask questions like: ""Where did you hide the money you stole?"" Similarly, politicians often ask loaded questions such as: ""How long will this EC interference in our affairs be allowed to continue?"" or ""Does the Chancellor plan two more years of ruinous privatization?"" IGNORATIO ELENCHI The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do with that conclusion. For example, a Christian may begin by saying that he will argue that the teachings of Christianity are undoubtably true. If he then argues at length that Christianity is of great help to many people, no matter how well he argues he will not have shown that Christian teachings are true. Sadly, such fallacious arguments are often successful because they arouse emotions which cause others to view the supposed conclusion in a more favourable light. EQUIVOCATION Equivocation occurs when a key word is used with two or more different meanings in the same argument. For example: ""What could be more affordable than free software? But to make sure that it remains free, that users can do what they like with it, we must place a license on it to make sure that will always be freely redistributable."" AMPHIBOLY Amphiboly occurs when the premises used in an argument are ambiguous because of careless or ungrammatical phrasing. ACCENT Accent is another form of fallacy through shifting meaning. In this case, the meaning is changed by altering which parts of a statement are emphasized. For example, consider: ""We should not speak ILL of our friends"" and ""We should not speak ill of our FRIENDS"" FALLACIES OF COMPOSITION One fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property shared by the parts of something must apply to the whole. For example: ""The bicycle is made entirely of low mass components, and is therefore very lightweight."" The other fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property of a number of individual items is shared by a collection of those items. For example: ""A car uses less petrol and causes less pollution than a bus. Therefore cars are less environmentally damaging than buses."" FALLACY OF DIVISION The fallacy of division is the opposite of the fallacy of composition. Like its opposite, it exists in two varieties. The first is to assume that a property of some thing must apply to its parts. For example: ""You are studying at a rich college. Therefore you must be rich."" The other is to assume that a property of a collection of items is shared by each item. For example: ""Ants can destroy a tree. Therefore this ant can destroy a tree."" THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT This argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful events. There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the first event. For example: ""If we legalize marijuana, then we would have to legalize crack and heroin and we'll have a nation full of drug-addicts on welfare. Therefore we cannot legalize marijuana."" ""A IS BASED ON B"" FALLACIES / ""IS A TYPE OF"" FALLACIES These fallacies occur when one attempts to argue that things are in some way similar without actually specifying in what way they are similar. Examples: ""Isn't history based upon faith? If so, then isn't the Bible also a form of history?"" ""Islam is based on faith, Christianity is based on faith, so isn't Islam a form of Christianity?"" ""Cats are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, dogs are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, so aren't dogs a form of cat?"" AFFIRMATION OF THE CONSEQUENT This fallacy is an argument of the form ""A implies B, B is true, therefore A is true"". To understand why it is a fallacy, examine the truth table for implication given earlier. DENIAL OF THE ANTECEDENT This fallacy is an argument of the form ""A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false"". Again, the truth table for implication makes it clear why this is a fallacy. Note that this fallacy is different from Non Causa Pro Causa; the latter has the form ""A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false"", where A does NOT in fact imply B at all. Here, the problem is not that the implication is invalid; rather it is that the falseness of A does not allow us to deduce anything about B. CONVERTING A CONDITIONAL This fallacy is an argument of the form ""If A then B, therefore if B then A"". ARGUMENTUM AD ANTIQUITAM This is the fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply because it is old, or because ""that's the way it's always been."" ARGUMENTUM AD NOVITAM This is the opposite of the argumentum ad antiquitam; it is the fallacy of asserting that something is more correct simply because it is new or newer than something else. ARGUMENTUM AD CRUMENAM The fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of correctness; that those with more money are more likely to be right. ARGUMENTUM AD LAZARUM The fallacy of assuming that because someone is poor he or she is sounder or more virtuous than one who is wealthier. This fallacy is the opposite of the argumentum ad crumenam. ARGUMENTUM AD NAUSEAM This is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the more often it is heard. An ""argumentum ad nauseum"" is one that employs constant repetition in asserting something. BIFURCATION Also referred to as the ""black and white"" fallacy, bifurcation occurs when one presents a situation as having only two alternatives, where in fact other alternatives exist or can exist. PLURIUM INTERROGATIONUM / MANY QUESTIONS This fallacy occurs when a questioner demands a simple answer to a complex question. NON SEQUITUR A non-sequitur is an argument where the conclusion is drawn from premises which are not logically connected with it. RED HERRING This fallacy is committed when irrelevant material is introduced to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points being made, towards a different conclusion. REIFICATION / HYPOSTATIZATION Reification occurs when an abstract concept is treated as a concrete thing. SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise. STRAW MAN The straw man fallacy is to misrepresent someone else's position so that it can be attacked more easily, then to knock down that misrepresented position, then to conclude that the original position has been demolished. It is a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been made. THE EXTENDED ANALOGY The fallacy of the Extended Analogy often occurs when some suggested general rule is being argued over. The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two different situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a claim that those situations are analogous to each other. This fallacy is best explained using a real example from a debate about anti-cryptography legislation: ""I believe it is always wrong to oppose the law by breaking it."" ""Such a position is odious: it implies that you would not have supported Martin Luther King."" ""Are you saying that cryptography legislation is as important as the struggle for Black liberation? How dare you!"" TU QUOQUE This is the famous ""you too"" fallacy. It occurs when an action is argued to be acceptable because the other party has performed it. For instance: ""You're just being randomly abusive."" ""So? You've been abusive too."" ÿ " 7133,1,"From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Nntp-Posting-Host: snake Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains writes: >In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez >Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: >> And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is >>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something >>like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. > >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D Don't get too excited; Signetics, not Motorola, gave the 68070 its number. The 68070, if I understand rightly, uses the 68000 instruction set, and has an on-chip serial port and DMA. (It will run at up to 15 MHz--I'm typing at a computer using a 68070 running at that rate, so I know that it can do so--so I seriously doubt the clock rate that ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com claims.) James Jones " 7134,14,"From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Jemison on Star Trek Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 7 I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the ""Star Trek: The Next Generation"" episode that airs the week of May 31. It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. Doug Loss " 7135,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Neurasthenia Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr21.174553.812@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's >anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses >is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics >who are convinced they have ""candida"" from reading a quack book. Speaking of which, has anyone else been impressed with how much the descriptions of neurasthenia published a century ago sound like CFS? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7136,13,"From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Science and Methodology Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Distribution: inet Lines: 28 In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: >> The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre >> scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. >> It depends on the quality of their THINKING. .................... >Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between >Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of >their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a >genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts >are scientifically screwy? This example is probably wrong. There is the case of one famous physicist telling another that he was probably wrong. As I recall the quote: Your ideas are crazy, to be sure. But they are not crazy enough to be right. The typical screwball is only somewhat screwy. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) " 7137,12,"From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Electrical wiring FAQ (was: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Reply-To: wirefaq@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Keywords: 120 240 AC outlets wiring power shock gfci Expires: 15 May 93 21:35:16 PDT Distribution: world Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 1547 Since electrical wiring questions do turn up from time to time on sci.electronics (and the answers aren't always apparent, even to those skilled in electronics), I am hijacking the following FAQ and posting a copy here. I've asked the writers to cross-post to sci.electronics in the future. --- jeh@cmkrnl.com X-NEWS: cmkrnl news.answers: 6685 Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,rec.woodworking,news.answers,misc.answers,rec.answers Subject: Electrical Wiring FAQ Message-ID: From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) Date: 4 Apr 93 05:21:49 GMT Reply-To: wirefaq@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Wiring FAQ commentary reception) Followup-To: poster Expires: 2 May 93 05:21:31 GMT Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada Summary: A series of questions and answers about house wiring Supersedes: Lines: 1524 Archive-name: electrical-wiring Last-modified: Sun Feb 21 16:56:10 EST 1993 Frequently Asked Questions on Electrical Wiring Steven Bellovin (smb@ulysses.att.com) Chris Lewis (clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca) Comments to (automatic if you reply to this article): wirefaq@ferret.ocunix.on.ca This FAQ is formatted as a digest. Most news readers can skip from one question to the next by pressing ^G. Answers to many other topics related to houses can be obtained from the misc.consumers.house archive; send an empty piece of mail to house-archive@dg-rtp.dg.com for information. Changes to previous issue marked with ""|"" in left column. Watch particularly for ""NEW"" in the Questions list for new or substantively changed answers. Note that this is now a registered FAQ - cross-posted to news.answers and should appear in the FAQ list of lists. Subject: Questions answered in this FAQ Introduction/Disclaimers What is the NEC? Where can I get a copy? What is the CEC? Where can I get a copy? Can I do my own wiring? Extra pointers? What do I need in the way of tools? What is UL listing? What is CSA approval? Are there any cheaper, easier to read books on wiring? Inspections how and what? Why should I get my wiring inspected? My house doesn't meet some of these rules and regulations. A word on voltages: 110/115/117/120/125/220/240 What does an electrical service look like? What is a circuit? ""grounding"" versus ""grounded"" versus ""neutral"". What does a fuse or breaker do? What are the differences? Breakers? Can't I use fuses? What size wire should I use? Where do these numbers come from? What does ""14-2"" mean? What is a ""wirenut""/""marrette""/""marr connector"". How are they used? What is a GFI/GFCI? Where should GFCIs be used? Where shouldn't I use a GFCI? What is the difference between a GFCI outlet and a GFCI breaker? What's the purpose of the ground prong on an outlet, then? Why is one prong wider than the other? Polarization What kind of outlets do I need in a kitchen? Where must outlets and switches be in bathrooms? What is Romex/NM/NMD? What is BX? When should I use each? Should I use plastic or metal boxes? Junction box positioning? Can I install a replacement fixture? What does it mean when the lights brighten when a motor starts? What is 3 phase power? Should I use it? Can I get it in my house? Is it better to run motors at 110 or 220? What is this nonsense about 3HP on 110V 15A circuits? How do I convert two prong receptacles to three prong? Are you sure about GFCIs and ungrounded outlets? Should the test button work? How should I wire my shop? Underground wiring Aluminum wiring I'm buying a house! What should I do? What is this weird stuff? Old style wiring Where do I buy stuff? Subject: Introduction/Disclaimers Although we've done a fair bit of wiring, we are not electricians, and we cannot be responsible for what you do. If you're at all uncertain about what is correct or safe, *don't do it*. Contact someone qualified -- a licensed electrician, or your local electrical inspector. Electricity is no joke; mistakes can result in shocks, fires, or electrocution. Furthermore, our discussion is based on the U.S. National Electrical Code (NEC) and the Canadian Electrical code (CEC). To the best of our abilities, we have confirmed every detail with the electrical code, but we don't quote sections simply to keep this thing readable. If you think we're wrong, we invite you to correct us, but please - quote references! The NEC and the CEC do not, in and of themselves, have the force of law. Many municipalities adopt it en toto. Others, however, do not. Check your with your local building department (and Hydro Inspection Offices in Canada) to find out what applies in your area. Also, your local electrical utility may also have special requirements for electrical service installation. Bear in mind, too, that we say here applies primarily to ordinary single-family residences. Multi-family dwellings, mobile homes, commercial establishments, etc., are sometimes governed by different rules. Also note that, contrary to popular belief in the U.S. (and in some parts of Canada), Canada is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of the U.S. Consequently, the NEC does not apply in Canada. Lots of things are the same, including voltages, line frequencies, and the laws of physics. But there are a number of crucial differences in the regulations. Where we can, we've noted them, flagging the relevant passages with ``NEC'' or ``CEC''. Remember that the CEC and NEC are minimal standards. It is often smart to go beyond their minimal requirements. Subject: What is the NEC? Where can I get a copy? The NEC is a model electrical code devised and published by the National Fire Protection Association, an insurance industry group. It's revised every three years. The 1993 version has been released. You can buy a copy at a decent bookstore, or by calling them directly at 800-344-3555. The code exists in several versions. There's the full text, which is fairly incomprehensible. There's an abridged edition, which has only the sections likely to apply to most houses. And there's the NEC Handbook, which contains the ``authorized commentary'' on the code, as well as the full text. That's the recommended version. Unfortunately, there's no handbook for the abridged edition. And the full handbook is expensive -- US$65 plus shipping and handling. Subject: What is the CEC? Where can I get a copy? The Canadian Standards Association is an organization made up of various government agencies, power utilities, insurance companies, electrical manufacturers and other organizations. The CSA publishes CSA Standard C22.1 which is updated every two or three years. Each province adopts, with some amendments, this standard and publishes a province-specific code book. Since each province publishes its own slightly modified standard, it would be somewhat confusing to obtain the CSA standard itself. In this FAQ, ""CEC"" really means the appropriate provincial standard. In particular, this FAQ is derived from the Ontario Hydro Electrical Safety Code, 20th edition (1990). Which is in turn based on CSA C22.1-1990 (16th edition). While differences exist between the provinces, an attempt has been made to avoid specific-to-Ontario detail. The appropriate provincial code can be obtained from electrical inspection offices of your provincial power authority. In Ontario, it's Ontario Hydro. The Ontario Hydro book isn't overly fat. It's about C$25, and includes mailed updates. I hear that these standards are somewhat easier to read than the equivalent NEC publications. Don't bother asking in Quebec - DIY wiring is banned throughout the province. Subject: Can I do my own wiring? Extra pointers? In most places, homeowners are allowed to do their own wiring. In some, they're not. Check with your local electrical inspector. Most places won't permit you to do wiring on other's homes for money without a license. Nor are you permitted to do wiring in ""commercial"" buildings. Multiple dwellings (eg: duplexes) are usually considered ""semi-commercial"" or ""commercial"". However, many jurisdictions will permit you to work on semi-commercial wiring if you're supervised by a licensed electrician - if you can find one willing to supervise. If you do your own wiring, an important point: Do it NEAT and WELL! What you really want to aim for is a better job than an electrician will do. After all, it's your own home, and it's you or your family that might get killed if you make a mistake. An electrician has time pressures, has the skills and knows the tricks of the trade to do a fast, safe job. In this FAQ we've consciously given a few recommendations that are in excess of code, because we feel that it's reasonable, and will impress the inspector. The inspector will know that you're an amateur. You have to earn his trust. The best way of doing this is to spend your time doing as neat a job as possible. Don't cut corners. Exceed specifications. Otherwise, the inspector may get extremely picky and fault you on the slightest transgressions. Don't try to hide anything from the inspector. Use the proper tools. Ie: don't use a bread knife to strip wires, or twist wires with your fingers. The inspector won't like it, and the results won't be that safe. And it takes longer. And you're more likely to stick a hunk of 12ga wire through your hand that way. Don't handle house wire when it's very cold (eg: below -10C or 16F). Thermoplastic house wire, particularly older types become very brittle. Subject: What do I need in the way of tools? First, there's the obvious -- a hammer, a drill, a few screwdrivers, both straight and Phillips-head. If you're lucky enough to live in Canada (or find a source of CSA-approved devices) you need Robertson (""square recess"") screwdrivers (#1 and #2) instead of phillips. For drilling a few holes, a 3/4"" or 1"" spade bit and 1/4"" or 3/8"" electric drill will do. If you're doing a lot, or are working with elderly lumber, we recommend a 1/2"" drill (right-angle drills are wonderful. Can be rented) and 3/4"" or 1"" screw-point auger drill bits. These bits pull you through, so they're much faster and less fatiguing, even in 90 year old hardwood timbers. Screw-driver bits are useful for drills, expecially if you install your electrical boxes using screws (drywall screws work well). For stripping wire, use a real wire stripper, not a knife or ordinary wire cutters. Don't buy the $3 K-mart ""combo stripper, crimper and bottle opener"" types. You should expect to pay $15 to $20 for a good ""plier-type"" pair. It will have sized stripping holes, and won't nick or grab the wire - it should be easy to strip wire with it. One model has a small hole in the blade for forming exact wire loops for screw terminals. There are fancier types (autostrip/cut), but they generally aren't necessary, and pros usually don't use them. A pair of diagonal side cutter pliers are useful for clipping ends in constricted places. Don't use these for stripping wire. You will need linesman pliers for twisting wires for wire nuts. You should have a pair of needle-nose pliers for fiddling inside boxes and closing loops, but it's better to form wire loops with a ""loop former hole"" on your wire stripper - more accurate. If you're using non-metallic cable, get a cable stripper for removing the sheath. Or, do what some pros do, they nick the end of the sheath, grab the ground wire with a pair of pliers, and simply rip the sheath back using the ground wire as a ""zipper"", and cut the sheath off. You shouldn't try to strip the sheath with a knife point, because it's too easy to slash the insulation on the conductors. Apparently Stanley utility knives fitted with linoleum cutters (hooked blades) can be used to strip sheath, but there is still the possibility that you'll gouge the conductors. For any substantial amount of work with armored cable, it's well worth your while to invest in a rotary cable splitter (~US$ 18). Hack saws are tricky to use without cutting into the wire or the insulation. Three-prong outlet testers are a quick check for properly-wired outlets. About $6. Multimeters tell you more, but are a lot more expensive, and probably not worth it for most people. A simple voltage sensor, which can detect potential through an insulated wire not supplying any devices, is extremely helpful; they cost about US$ 10 at Radio Shack. You should have a voltage detector - to check that the wires are dead before doing work on them. Neon-bulb version are cheap ($2-3) and work well. If you get more serious, a ""audible alarm"" type is good for tracing circuits without a helper. (Though I've been known to lock the drill on, and hit breakers until the scream stops ;-) For running wires through existing walls, you need fish tape. Often, two tapes are needed, though sometimes, a bent hanger or a length of thin chain will suffice. Fish tapes can be rented. Electrical tape. Lots of it ;-) Seriously, a good and competent wiring job will need very little tape. The tape is useful for wrapping dicy insulation in repair work. Another use is to wrap around the body of outlets and switches to cover the termination screws - I don't do this, but drywall contractors prefer it (to prevent explosions when the drywall knife collides with a live outlet that has no cover plate). Subject: What is UL listing? The UL stands for ""Underwriters Laboratory"". It used to be an Insurance Industry organization, but now it is independent and non-profit. It tests electrical components and equipment for potential hazards. When something is UL-listed, that means that the UL has tested the device, and it meets their requirements for safety - ie: fire or shock hazard. It doesn't necessarily mean that the device actually does what it's supposed to, just that it probably won't kill you. The UL does not have power of law in the U.S. -- you are permitted to buy and install non-UL-listed devices. However, insurance policies sometimes have clauses in them that will limit their liability in case of a claim made in response to the failure of a non-UL-listed device. Furthermore, in many situations the NEC will require that a wiring component used for a specific purpose is UL-listed for that purpose. Indirectly, this means that certain parts of your wiring must be UL-listed before an inspector will approve it and/or occupancy permits issued. Subject: What is CSA approval? Every electrical device or component must be certified by the Canadian Standards Association before it can be sold in Canada. Implicit in this is that all wiring must be done with CSA-approved materials. They perform testing similar to the UL (a bit more stringent), except that CSA approval is required by law. Again, like the UL, if a fire was caused by non-CSA-approved equipment, your insurance company may not have to pay the claim. In Canada, there is a branch organization of the UL, called ULC (UL of Canada). ULC does not have power of law, and seems to be more a liason group between the CSA and insurance companies. Subject: Are there any cheaper, easier to read books on wiring? USA: The following three books were suggested by our readers Residential Wiring by Jeff Markell, Craftsman Books, Carlsbad CA for $18.25. ISBN 0-934041-19-9. Practical Electrical Wiring Residential, Farm and Industrial, Based on the National Electrical Code ANSI/NFPA 70 Herbert P. Richter and W. Creighton Schwan McGraw-Hill Book Co. Wiring Simplified H. P. Richter and W. C. Schwan Park Publishing Co. Try to make sure that the book is based on the latest NEC revision. Which is currently 1990. Canada: P.S. Knight authors and publishes a book called ""Electrical Code Simplified"". There appears to be a version published specific to each province, and is very tied into the appropriate provincial code. It focuses on residential wiring, and is indispensible for Canadian DIY'ers. It is better to get this book than the CEC unless you do a lot of wiring (or answer questions on the net ;-). It is updated each time the provincial codes are. This book is available at all DIY and hardware stores for less than C$10. Subject: Inspections how and what? Why should I get my wiring inspected? Most jurisdictions require that you obtain a permit and inspections of any wiring that is done. Amongst other more mundane bureaucratic reasons (like insurance companies not liking to have to pay claims), a permit and inspections provides some assurance that you, your family, your neighbors or subsequent owners of your home don't get killed or lose their homes one night due to a sloppy wiring job. Most jurisdictions have the power to order you to vacate your home, or order you to tear out any wiring done without a permit. California, for instance, is particularly nasty about this. If fire starts in your home, and un-inspected wiring is at fault, insurance companies will often refuse to pay the damage claims. In general, the process goes like this: - you apply to your local inspections office or building department for a permit. You should have a sketch or detailed drawing of what you plan on doing. This is a good time to ask questions on any things you're not sure of. If you're doing major work, they may impose special conditions on you, require loading calculations and ask other questions. At this point they will tell you which inspections you will need. - If you're installing a main panel, you will need to have the panel and service connections inspected before your power utility will provide a connection. This is sometimes done by the local power authority rather than the usual inspectors. - After installing the boxes and wiring, but before the insulation/walls go up, you will need a ""rough-in"" inspection. - After the walls are up, and the wiring is complete, you will need a ""final inspection"". Subject: My house doesn't meet some of these rules and regulations. Do I have to upgrade? In general, there is no requirement to upgrade older dwellings, though there are some exceptions (ie: smoke detectors in some cases). However, any new work must be done according to the latest electrical code. Also, if you do ``major'' work, you may be required to upgrade certain existing portions or all of your system. Check with your local electrical inspector. Subject: A word on voltages: 110/115/117/120/125/220/240 One thing where things might get a bit confusing is the different numbers people bandy about for the voltage of a circuit. One person might talk about 110V, another 117V or another 120V. These are all, in fact, exactly the same thing... In North America the utility companies are required to supply a split-phase 240 volt (+-5%) feed to your house. This works out as two 120V +- 5% legs. Additionally, since there are resistive voltage drops in the house wiring, it's not unreasonable to find 120V has dropped to 110V or 240V has dropped to 220V by the time the power reaches a wall outlet. Especially at the end of an extension cord or long circuit run. For a number of reasons, some historical, some simple personal orneryness, different people choose call them by slightly different numbers. This FAQ has chosen to be consistent with calling them ""110V"" and ""220V"", except when actually saying what the measured voltage will be. Confusing? A bit. Just ignore it. One thing that might make this a little more understandable is that the nameplates on equipment ofen show the lower (ie: 110V instead of 120V) value. What this implies is that the device is designed to operate properly when the voltage drops that low. 208V is *not* the same as 240V. 208V is the voltage between phases of a 3-phase ""Y"" circuit that is 120V from neutral to any hot. 480V is the voltage between phases of a 3-phase ""Y"" circuit that's 277V from hot to neutral. In keeping with 110V versus 120V strangeness, motors intended to run on 480V three phase are often labelled as 440V... Subject: What does an electrical service look like? There are logically four wires involved with supplying the main panel with power. Three of them will come from the utility pole, and a fourth (bare) wire comes from elsewhere. The bare wire is connected to one or more long metal bars pounded into the ground, or to a wire buried in the foundation, or sometimes to the water supply pipe (has to be metal, continuous to where the main water pipe entering the house. Watch out for galvanic action conductivity ""breaks"" (often between copper and iron pipe)). This is the ""grounding conductor"". It is there to make sure that the third prong on your outlets is connected to ground. This wire normally carries no current. One of the other wires will be white (or black with white or yellow stripes, or sometimes simply black). It is the neutral wire. It is connected to the ""centre tap"" (CEC; ""center tap"" in the NEC) of the distribution transformer supplying the power. It is connected to the grounding conductor in only one place (often inside the panel). The neutral and ground should not be connected anywhere else. Otherwise, weird and/or dangerous things may happen. Furthermore, there should only be one grounding system in a home. Some codes require more than one grounding electrode. These will be connected together, or connected to the neutral at a common point - still one grounding system. Adding additional grounding electrodes connected to other portions of the house wiring is unsafe and contrary to code. If you add a subpanel, the ground and neutral are usually brought as separate conductors from the main panel, and are not connected together in the subpanel (ie: still only one neutral-ground connection). However, in some situations (certain categories of separate buildings) you actually do have to provide a second grounding electrode - consult your inspector. The other two wires will usually be black, and are the ""hot"" wires. They are attached to the distribution transformer as well. The two black wires are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. This means if you connect something to both hot wires, the voltage will be 220 volts. If you connect something to the white and either of the two blacks you will get 110V. Some panels seem to only have three wires coming into them. This is either because the neutral and ground are connected together at a different point (eg: the meter or pole) and one wire is doing dual-duty as both neutral and ground, or in some rare occasions, the service has only one hot wire (110V only service). Subject: What is a circuit? Inside the panel, connections are made to the incoming wires. These connections are then used to supply power to selected portions of the home. There are three different combinations: 1) one hot, one neutral, and ground: 110V circuit. 2) two hots, no neutral, and ground: 220V circuit. 3) two hots, neutral, and ground: 220V circuit + neutral, and/or two 110V circuits with a common neutral. (1) is used for most circuits supplying receptacles and lighting within your house. (3) is usually used for supplying power to major appliances such as stoves, and dryers - they often have need for both 220V and 110V, or for bringing several circuits from the panel box to a distribution point. (2) is usually for special 220V motor circuits, electric heaters, or air conditioners. [Note: In the US, the NEC frequently permits a circuit similar to (2) be used for stoves and dryers - namely, that there are two hot wires, and a wire that does dual duty as neutral and ground, and is connected to the frame as well as providing the neutral for 110V purposes - three prong plugs instead of four (*only* for stoves/dryers connected to the main panel. When connected to most sub-panels, 4 prong plugs and receptacles are required). In our not-so-humble opinion this is crazy, but the NFPA claims that this practice was re-evaluated for the 1992 NEC, and found to be safe. Check your local codes, or inquire as to local practice -- there are restrictions on when this is permissible.] (1) is usually wired with three conductor wire: black for hot, white for neutral, and bare for grounding. (2) and (3) have one hot wire coloured red, the other black, a bare wire for grounding, and in (3) a white wire for neutral. You will sometimes see (2) wired with just a black, white and ground wire. Since the white is ""hot"" in this case, both the NEC and CEC requires that the white wire be ""permanently marked"" at the ends to indicate that it is a live wire. Usually done with paint, nail polish or sometimes electrical tape. Each circuit is attached to the main wires coming into the panel through a circuit breaker or fuse. There are, in a few locales, circuits that look like (1), (2) or (3) except that they have two bare ground wires. Some places require this for hot tubs and the like (one ground is ""frame ground"", the other attaches to the motor). This may or may not be an alternative to GFCI protection. Subject: ""grounding"" versus ""grounded"" versus ""neutral"". According to the terminology in the CEC and NEC, the ""grounding"" conductor is for the safety ground, i.e., the green or bare wire. The word ""neutral"" is reserved for the white when you have a circuit with more than one ""hot"" wire. Since the white wire is connected to neutral and the grounding conductor inside the panel, the proper term is ""grounded conductor"". However, the potential confusion between ""grounded conductor"" and ""grounding conductor"" can lead to potentially lethal mistakes - you should never use the bare wire as a ""grounded conductor"" or white wire as the ""grounding conductor"", even though they are connected together in the panel. [But not in subpanels - subpanels are fed neutral and ground separately from the main panel. Usually.] In the trade, and in common usage, the word ""neutral"" is used for ""grounded conductor"". This FAQ uses ""neutral"" simply to avoid potential confusion. We recommend that you use ""neutral"" too. Thus the white wire is always (except in some light switch applications) neutral. Not ground. Subject: What does a fuse or breaker do? What are the differences? Fuses and circuit breakers are designed to interrupt the power to a circuit when the current flow exceeds safe levels. For example, if your toaster shorts out, a fuse or breaker should ""trip"", protecting the wiring in the walls from melting. As such, fuses and breakers are primarily intended to protect the wiring -- UL or CSA approval supposedly indicates that the equipment itself won't cause a fire. Fuses contain a narrow strip of metal which is designed to melt (safely) when the current exceeds the rated value, thereby interrupting the power to the circuit. Fuses trip relatively fast. Which can sometimes be a problem with motors which have large startup current surges. For motor circuits, you can use a ""time-delay"" fuse (one brand is ""fusetron"") which will avoid tripping on momentary overloads. A fusetron looks like a spring-loaded fuse. A fuse can only trip once, then it must be replaced. Breakers are fairly complicated mechanical devices. They usually consist of one spring loaded contact which is latched into position against another contact. When the current flow through the device exceeds the rated value, a bimetallic strip heats up and bends. By bending it ""trips"" the latch, and the spring pulls the contacts apart. Circuit breakers behave similarly to fusetrons - that is, they tend to take longer to trip at moderate overloads than ordinary fuses. With high overloads, they trip quickly. Breakers can be reset a finite number of times - each time they trip, or are thrown when the circuit is in use, some arcing takes place, which damages the contacts. Thus, breakers should not be used in place of switches unless they are specially listed for the purpose. Neither fuses nor breakers ""limit"" the current per se. A dead short on a circuit can cause hundreds or sometimes even thousands of amperes to flow for a short period of time, which can often cause severe damage. Subject: Breakers? Can't I use fuses? Statistics show that fuse panels have a significantly higher risk of causing a fire than breaker panels. This is usually due to the fuse being loosely screwed in, or the contacts corroding and heating up over time, or the wrong size fuse being installed, or the proverbial ""replace the fuse with a penny"" trick. Since breakers are more permanently installed, and have better connection mechanisms, the risk of fire is considerably less. Fuses are prone to explode under extremely high overload. When a fuse explodes, the metallic vapor cloud becomes a conducting path. Result? from complete meltdown of the electrical panel, melted service wiring, through fires in the electrical distribution transformer and having your house burn down. Breakers don't do this. Many jurisdictions, particularly in Canada, no longer permit fuse panels in new installations. The NEC does permit new fuse panels in some rare circumstances (requiring the special inserts to ""key"" the fuseholder to specific size fuses) Some devices, notably certain large air conditioners, require fuse protection in addition to the breaker at the panel. The fuse is there to protect the motor windings from overload. Check the labeling on the unit. This is usually only on large permanently installed motors. The installation instructions will tell you if you need one. Subject: What size wire should I use? For a 20 amp circuit, use 12 gauge wire. For a 15 amp circuit, you can use 14 gauge wire (in most locales). For a long run, though, you should use the next larger size wire, to avoid voltage drops. 12 gauge is only slightly more expensive than 14 gauge, though it's stiffer and harder to work with. Here's a quick table for normal situations. Go up a size for more than 100 foot runs, when the cable is in conduit, or ganged with other wires in a place where they can't dissipate heat easily: Gauge Amps 14 15 12 20 10 30 8 40 6 65 We don't list bigger sizes because it starts getting very dependent on the application and precise wire type. Subject: Where do these numbers come from? There are two considerations, voltage drop and heat buildup. The smaller the wire is, the higher the resistance is. When the resistance is higher, the wire heats up more, and there is more voltage drop in the wiring. The former is why you need higher-temperature insulation and/or bigger wires for use in conduit; the latter is why you should use larger wire for long runs. Neither effect is very significant over very short distances. There are some very specific exceptions, where use of smaller wire is allowed. The obvious one is the line cord on most lamps. Don't try this unless you're certain that your use fits one of those exceptions; you can never go wrong by using larger wire. Subject: What does ""14-2"" mean? This is used to describe the size and quantity of conductors in a cable. The first number specifies the gauge. The second the number of current carrying conductors in the wire - but remember there's usually an extra ground wire. ""14-2"" means 14 gauge, two insulated current carrying wires, plus bare ground. -2 wire usually has a black, white and bare ground wire. Sometimes the white is red instead for 220V circuits without neutral. In the latter case, the sheath is usually red too. -3 wire usually has a black, red, white and bare ground wire. Usually carrying 220V with neutral. Subject: What is a ""wirenut""/""marrette""/""marr connector""? How are they used? A wire nut is a cone shaped threaded plastic thingummy that's used to connect wires together. ""Marrette"" or ""Marr connector"" are trade names. You'll usually use a lot of them in DIY wiring. In essence, you strip the end of the wires about an inch, twist them together, then twist the wirenut on. Though some wirenuts advertise that you don't need to twist the wire, do it anyways - it's more mechanically and electrically secure. There are many different sizes of wire nut. You should check that the wire nut you're using is the correct size for the quantity and sizes of wire you're connecting together. Don't just gimble the wires together with a pair of pliers or your fingers. Use a pair of blunt nose (""linesman"") pliers, and carefully twist the wires tightly and neatly. Sometimes it's a good idea to trim the resulting end to make sure it goes in the wirenut properly. Some people wrap the ""open"" end of the wirenut with electrical tape. This is probably not a good idea - the inspector may tear it off during an inspection. It's usually done because a bit of bare wire is exposed outside the wire nut - instead of taping it, the connection should be redone. Subject: What is a GFI/GFCI? A GFCI is a ``ground-fault circuit interrupter''. It measures the current current flowing through the hot wire and the neutral wire. If they differ by more than a few milliamps, the presumption is that current is leaking to ground via some other path. This may be because of a short circuit to the chassis of an appliance, or to the ground lead, or through a person. Any of these situations is hazardous, so the GFCI trips, breaking the circuit. GFCIs do not protect against all kinds of electric shocks. If, for example, you simultaneously touched the hot and neutral leads of a circuit, and no part of you was grounded, a GFCI wouldn't help. All of the current that passed from the hot lead into you would return via the neutral lead, keeping the GFCI happy. The two pairs of connections on a GFCI outlet are not symmetric. One is labeled LOAD; the other, LINE. The incoming power feed *must* be connected to the LINE side, or the outlet will not be protected. The LOAD side can be used to protect all devices downstream from it. Thus, a whole string of outlets can be covered by a single GFCI outlet. Subject: Where should GFCIs be used? The NEC mandates GFCIs for 110V, 15A or 20A single phase outlets, in bathrooms, kitchens within 6' of the sink, garages, unfinished basements or crawl spaces, outdoors, near a pool, or just about anywhere else where you're likely to encounter water or dampness. There are exceptions for inaccessible outlets, those dedicated to appliances ``occupying fixed space'', typically refrigerators and freezers, and for sump pumps and laundry appliances. The CEC does not mandate as many GFCIs. In particular, there is no requirement to protect kitchen outlets, or most garage or basement outlets. Basement outlets must be protected if you have a dirt floor, garage outlets if they're near the door to outside. Bathrooms and most exterior outlets must have GFCIs. Even if you are not required to have GFCI protection, you may want to consider installing it anyway. Unless you need a GFCI breaker (see below), the cost is low. In the U.S., GFCI outlets can cost as little as US$8. (Costs are a bit higher in Canada: C$12.) Evaluate your own risk factors. Does your finished basement ever get wet? Do you have small children? Do you use your garage outlets to power outdoor tools? Does water or melted snow ever puddle inside your garage? Subject: Where shouldn't I use a GFCI? GFCIs are generally not used on circuits that (a) don't pose a safety risk, and (b) are used to power equipment that must run unattended for long periods of time. Refrigerators, freezers, and sump pumps are good examples. The rationale is that GFCIs are sometimes prone to nuisance trips. Some people claim that the inductive delay in motor windings can cause a momentary current imbalance, tripping the GFCI. Note, though, that most GFCI trips are real; if you're getting a lot of trips for no apparent reason, you'd be well-advised to check your wiring before deciding that the GFCI is broken or useless. Subject: What is the difference between a GFCI outlet and a GFCI breaker? For most situations, you can use either a GFCI outlet as the first device on the circuit, or you can install a breaker with a built-in GFCI. The former is generally preferred, since GFCI breakers are quite expensive. For example, an ordinary GE breaker costs ~US$5; the GFCI model costs ~US$35. There is one major exception: if you need to protect a ``multi-wire branch circuit'' (two or more circuits sharing a common neutral wire), such as a Canadian-style kitchen circuit, you'll need a multi-pole GFCI breaker. Unfortunately, these are expensive; the cost can range into the hundreds of dollars, depending on what brand of panel box you have. But if you must protect such a circuit (say, for a pool heater), you have no choice. One more caveat -- GFCI outlets are bulky. You may want to use an oversize box when installing them. On second thought, use large (actually deep) boxes everywhere. You'll thank yourself for it. Incidentally, if you're installing a GFCI to ensure that one specific outlet is protected (such as a bathroom), you don't really have to go to all of the trouble to find the first outlet in the circuit, you could simply find the first outlet in the bathroom, and not GFCI anything upstream of it. But protecting the whole circuit is preferred. When you install a GFCI, it's a good idea to use the little ""ground fault protected"" stickers that come with it and mark the outlets downstream of the GFCI. You can figure out which outlets are ""downstream"", simply by tripping the GFCI with the test button and see which outlets are dead. Subject: What's the purpose of the ground prong on an outlet, then? Apart from their use in electronics, which we won't comment on, and for certain fluorescent lights (they won't turn on without a good ground connection), they're intended to guard against insulation failures within the device. Generally, the case of the appliance is connected to the ground lead. If there's an insulation failure that shorts the hot lead to the case, the ground lead conducts the electricity away safely (and possibly trips the circuit breaker in the process). If the case is not grounded and such a short occurs, the case is live -- and if you touch it while you're grounded, you'll get zapped. Of course, if the circuit is GFCI-protected, it will be a very tiny zap -- which is why you can use GFCIs to replace ungrounded outlets (both NEC and CEC). There are some appliances that should *never* be grounded. In particular, that applies to toasters and anything else with exposed conductors. Consider: if you touch the heating electrode in a toaster, and you're not grounded, nothing will happen. If you're slightly grounded, you'll get a small shock; the resistance will be too high. But if the case were grounded, and you were holding it, you'd be the perfect path to ground... Subject: Why is one prong wider than the other? Polarization Nowadays, many two-prong devices have one prong wider than the other. This is so that the device could rely (not guaranteed!) on one specific wire being neutral, and the other hot. This is particularly advantageous in light fixtures, where the the shell should neutral (safety), or other devices which want to have an approximate ground reference (ie: some radios). Most 2-prong extension cords have wide prongs too. This requires that you wire your outlets and plugs the right way around. You want the wide prong to be neutral, and the narrow one hot. Most outlets have a darker metal for the hot screw, and lighter coloured screw for the neutral. If not, you can usually figure out which is which by which prong the terminating screw connects to. Subject: What kind of outlets do I need in a kitchen? The NEC requires at least two 20 amp ``small appliance circuits'' for kitchens. The CEC requires split-duplex receptacles. Outlets must be installed such that no point is more than 24"" (NEC) (900 mm CEC) from an outlet. Every counter wider than 12"" (NEC) or 300 mm (CEC) must have at least one outlet. The circuit these outlets are on may not feed any outlets except in the kitchen, pantry, or dining room. Furthermore, these circuits are in addition to any required for refrigerators, stoves, microwaves, lighting, etc. Non-dedicated outlets within 6' of a sink *must* be protected by a GFCI (NEC only). Split duplex receptacles are fed with a 220V circuit. The tab is broken on the hot side of the outlet, and one hot goes to the upper outlet, and the other hot goes to the lower outlet. The neutral connects to both outlets through one screw. When ""carrying through"" to another outlet, the neutral must be pigtailed, such that removing the outlet, or having the neutral connection fall off doesn't cause the neutral to disconnect from downstream outlets. Subject: Where must outlets and switches be in bathrooms? There must be at least one outlet in each bathroom, adjacent to the sink, in addition to any outlet that may be incorporated in the light fixture. All such outlets *must* be GFCI-protected. Subject: What is Romex/NM/NMD? What is BX? When should I use each? Romex is a brand name for a type of plastic insulated wire. Sometimes called non-metallic sheath. The formal name is NM. This is suitable for use in dry, protected areas (ie: inside stud walls, on the sides of joists etc.), that are not subject to mechanical damage or excessive heat. Most newer homes are wired almost exclusively with NM wire. There are several different categories of NM cable. BX cable -- technically known as armored cable or ""AC"" has a flexible aluminum or steel sheath over the conductors and is fairly resistant to damage. TECK cable is AC with an additional external thermoplastic sheath. Protection for cable in concealed locations: where NM or AC cable is run through studs, joists or similar wooden members, the outer surface of the cable must be kept at least 32mm/1.25"" (CEC & NEC) from the edges of the wooden members, or the cable should be protected from mechanical injury. This latter protection can take the form of metal plates (such as spare outlet box ends) or conduit. [Note: inspector-permitted practise in Canada suggests that armored cable, or flexible conduit can be used as the mechanical protection, but this is technically illegal.] Additional protection recommendations (these are rules in the Canadian codes - they are reasonable answers to the vague references to ""exposed to mechanical damage"" in both the NEC and CEC): - NM cable should be protected against mechanical damage where it passes through floors or on the surface of walls in exposed locations under 5 feet from the floor. Ie: use AC instead, flexible conduit, wooden guards etc. - Where cable is suspended, as in, connections to furnaces or water heaters, the wire should be protected. Canadian practise is usually to install a junction or outlet box on the wall, and use a short length of AC cable or NM cable in flexible conduit to ""jump"" to the appliance. Stapling NM to a piece of lumber is also sometimes used. - Where NM cable is run in close proximity to heating ducts or pipe, heat transfer should be minimized by means of a 25mm/1"" air space, or suitable insulation material (a wad of fiberglass). - NM cable shall be supported within 300mm/1' of every box or fitting, and at intervals of no more than 1.5m/5'. Holes in joists or studs are considered ""supports"". Some slack in the cable should be provided adjacent to each box. [while fishing cable is technically in violation, it is permitted where ""proper"" support is impractical] - 2 conductor NM cable should never be stapled on edge. [Knight also insists on only one cable per staple, referring to the ""workmanship"" clause, but this seems more honoured in the breach...] - cable should never be buried in plaster, cement or similar finish. - cable should be protected where it runs behind baseboards. - Cable may not be run on the upper edge of ceiling joists or the lower edges of rafters where the headroom is more than 1m (39""). Whenever BX cable is terminated at a box with a clamp, small plastic bushings must be inserted in the end of the cable to prevent the clamps forcing the sharp ends of the armor through the insulation. BX is sometimes a good idea in a work shop unless covered by solid wall coverings. In places where damage is more likely (like on the back wall of a garage ;-), you may be required to use conduit, a UL- (or CSA-) approved metal pipe. You use various types of fittings to join the pipe or provide entrance/exit for the wire. Service entrances frequently use a plastic conduit. In damp places (eg: buried wiring to outdoor lighting) you will need special wire (eg: CEC NMW90, NEC UF). NMW90 looks like very heavy-duty NMD90. You will usually need short lengths of conduit where the wire enters/exits the ground. [See underground wiring section.] Thermoplastic sheath wire (such as NM, NMW etc.) should not be exposed to direct sunlight unless explicitly approved for that purpose. Many electrical codes do not permit the routing of wire through furnace ducts, including cold air return plenums constructed by metal sheeting enclosing joist spaces. The reason for this is that if there's a fire, the ducting will spread toxic gasses from burning insulation very rapidly through the building. Teflon insulated wire is permitted in plenums in many areas. Canada appears to use similar wire designations to the US, except that Canadian wire designations usually include the temperature rating in Celsius. Eg: ""AC90"" versus ""AC"". In the US, NM-B is 90 degrees celcius. NOTE: local codes vary. This is one of the items that changes most often. Eg: Chicago codes require conduit *everywhere*. There are very different requirements for mobile homes. Check your local codes, *especially* if you're doing anything that's the slightest out of the ordinary. Wire selection table (incomplete - the real tables are enormous, uncommon wire types or applications omitted) Condition Type CEC NEC Exposed/Concealed dry plastic NMD90 NM armor AC90 AC TECK90 Exposed/Concealed damp plastic NMD90 NMC armor ACWU90 TECK90 Exposed/Concealed wet plastic NMWU90 armor ACWU90 TECK90 Exposed to weather plastic NMWU TW etc. armor TECK90 Direct earth burial/ plastic NMWU* UF Service entrance RWU TWU armor RA90 TECK90 ACWU90 [* NMWU not for service entrance] Subject: Should I use plastic or metal boxes? The NEC permits use of plastic boxes with non-metallic cable only. The reasoning is simple -- with armored cable, the box itself provides ground conductor continuity. U.S. plastic boxes don't use metal cable clamps. The CEC is slightly different. The CEC never permits cable armor as a grounding conductor. However, you must still provide ground continuity for metallic sheath. The CEC also requires grounding of any metal cable clamps on plastic boxes. The advantage of plastic boxes is comparatively minor even for non-metallic sheathed cable -- you can avoid making one ground connection and they sometimes cost a little less. On the other hand, plastic boxes are more vulnerable to impacts. For exposed or shop wiring, metal boxes are probably better. Subject: Junction box positioning? A junction box is a box used only for connecting wires together. Junction boxes must be located in such a way that they're accessible later. Ie: not buried under plaster. Excessive use of junction boxes is often a sign of sloppy installation, and inspectors may get nasty. Subject: Can I install a replacement light fixture? In general, one can replace fixtures freely, subject to a few caveats. First, of course, one should check the amperage rating of the circuit. If your heart is set on installing half a dozen 500 watt floodlights, you may need to run a new wire back to the panel box. But there are some more subtle constraints as well. For example, older house wiring doesn't have high-temperature insulation. The excess heat generated by a ceiling-mounted lamp can and will cause the insulation to deteriorate and crack, with obvious bad results. Some newer fixtures are specifically marked for high temperature wire only. (You may find, in fact, that your ceiling wiring already has this problem, in which case replacing any devices is a real adventure.) Other concerns include providing a suitable ground for some fluorescent fixtures, and making sure that the ceiling box and its mounting are strong enough to support the weight of a heavy chandelier or ceiling fan. You may need to install a new box specifically listed for this purpose. A 2x4 across the ceiling joists makes a good support. Metal brackets are also available that can be fished into ceilings thru the junction box hole and mounted between the joists. There are special rules for recessed light fixtures such as ""pot"" lamps or heat lamps. When these are installed in insulated ceilings, they can present a very substantial fire hazard. The CEC provides for the installation of pot lamps in insulated ceilings, provided that the fixture is boxed in a ""coffin"" (usually 8'x16""x12"" - made by making a pair of joists 12"" high, and covering with plywood) that doesn't have any insulation. (Yes, that's 8 *feet* long) NEC rules are somewhat less stringent. They require at least 3"" clearance between the fixture and any sort of thermal insulation. The rules also say that one should not obstruct free air movement, which means that a CEC-style ``coffin'' might be worthwhile. Presumably, that's up to the local inspector. [The CEC doesn't actually mandate the coffin per-se, this seems to be an inspector requirement to make absolutely certain that the fixture can't get accidentally buried in insulation. Ie: if you have insulation blown in later.] There are now fixtures that contain integral thermal cutouts and fairly large cases that can be buried directly in insulation. They are usually limited to 75 watt bulbs, and are unfortunately, somewhat more expensive than the older types. Before you use them, you should ensure that they have explicit UL or CSA approval for such uses. Follow the installation instructions carefully; the prescribed location for the sensor can vary. There does not yet appear to be a heat lamp fixture that is approved for use in insulation. The ""coffin"" appears the only legal approach. Subject: What does it mean when the lights brighten when a motor starts? This usually means that the neutral wire in the panel is loose. Depending on the load balance, one hot wire may end up being more than 110V, and the other less than 110V, with respect to ground. This is a very hazardous situation - it can destroy your electronic equipment, possibly start fires, and in some situations electrocute you (ie: some US jurisdictions require the stove frame connected to neutral). If this happens, contact your electrical authority immediately and have them come and check out the problem. Note: a brief (< 1 second) brightening is sometimes normal with lighting and motors on the same 220V with neutral circuit. A loose main panel neutral will usually show increased brightness far longer than one second. In case of doubt, get help. Subject: What is 3 phase power? Should I use it? Can I get it in my house? Three phase power has three ""hot"" wires, 120 degrees out of phase with each other. These are usually used for large motors because it is more ""efficient"", provides a bit more starting torque, and because the motors are simpler and hence cheaper. You're most likely to encounter a 3 phase circuit that shows 110 volts between any hot and ground, and 208 volts between any two hots. The latter shows the difference between a normal 220V/110V common neutral circuit, which is 240 volts between the two hots. There are 3 phase circuits with different voltages. Bringing in a 3 phase feed to your house is usually ridiculously expensive, or impossible. If the equipment you want to run has a standard motor mount, it is *MUCH* cheaper to buy a new 110V or 220V motor for it. In some cases it is possible to run 3 phase equipment on ordinary power if you have a ""capacitor start"" unit, or use a larger motor as a (auto-)generator. These are tricky, but are a good solution if the motor is non-standard size, or too expensive or too big to replace. The Taunton Press book ``The Small Shop'' has an article on how to do this if you must. Note that you lose any possible electrical efficiency by using such a converter. The laws of thermodynamics guarantee that. Subject: Is it better to run motors at 110 or 220? Theoretically, it doesn't make any difference. However, there is a difference is the amount of power lost in the supply wiring. All things being equal, a 220V motor will lose 4 times less power in the house wiring than a 110V motor. This also means that the startup surge loss will be less, and the motor will get to speed quicker. And in some circumstances, the smaller power loss will lead to longer motor life. This is usually irrelevant unless the supply wires are more than 50 feet long. Subject: What is this nonsense about 3HP on 110V 15A circuits? It is a universal physical law that 1 HP is equal to 746 watts. Given heating loss, power factor and other inefficiencies, it is usually best to consider 1 HP is going to need 1000-1200 watts. A 110V 15A circuit can only deliver 1850 watts to a motor, so it cannot possibly be more than approximately 2 HP. Given rational efficiency factors, 1.5HP is more like it. Some equipment manufacturers (Sears in particular, most router manufacturers in general ;-) advertise a HP rating that is far in excess of what is possible. They are giving you a ""stall horsepower"" or similar. That means the power is measured when the motor is just about to stop turning because of the load. What they don't mention is that if you kept it in that condition for more than a few seconds hopefully your breaker will trip, otherwise the motor will melt -- it's drawing far more current than it can continuously. When comparing motors, compare the continuous horsepower. This should be on the motor nameplate. If you can't find that figure, check the amperage rating, which is always present. Subject: How do I convert two prong receptacles to three prong? Older homes frequently have two-prong receptacles instead of the more modern three. These receptacles have no safety ground, and the cabling usually has no ground wire. Neither the NEC or CEC permits installing new 2 prong receptacles anymore. There are several different approaches to solving this: 1) If the wiring is done through conduit or BX, and the conduit is continuous back to the panel, you can connect the third prong of a new receptacle to the receptacle box. NEC mainly - CEC frowns on this practise. 2) If there is a copper cold water pipe going nearby, and it's continuous to the main house ground point, you can run a conductor to it from the third prong. 3) Run a ground conductor back to the main panel. 4) Easiest: install a GFCI receptacle. The ground lug should not be connected to anything, but the GFCI protection itself will serve instead. The GFCI will also protect downstream (possibly also two prong outlets). If you do this to protect downstream outlets, the grounds must not be connected together. Since it wouldn't be connected to a real ground, a wiring fault could energize the cases of 3 prong devices connected to other outlets. Be sure, though, that there aren't indirect ground plug connections, such as via the sheath on BX cable. The CEC permits you to replace a two prong receptacle with a three prong if you fill the U ground with a non-conducting goop. Like caulking compound. This is not permitted in the NEC. Subject: Are you sure about GFCIs and ungrounded outlets? Should the test button work? We're sure about what the NEC and CEC say. Remember, though, that your local codes may vary. As for the TEST button -- there's a resistor connecting the LOAD side of the hot wire to the LINE side of the neutral wire when you press the TEST button. Current through this resistor shows up as an imbalance, and trips the GFCI. This is a simple, passive, and reliable test, and doesn't require a real ground to work. If your GFCI does not trip when you press the TEST button, it is very probably defective or miswired. Again: if the test button doesn't work, something's broken, and potentially dangerous. The problem should be corrected immediately. The instructions that come with some GFCIs specify that the ground wire must be connected. We do not know why they say this. The causes may be as mundane as an old instruction sheet, or with the formalities of UL or CSA listing -- perhaps the device was never tested without the ground wire being connected. On the other hand, UL or CSA approval should only have been granted if the device behaves properly in *all* listed applications, including ungrounded outlet replacement. (One of us called Leviton; their GFCIs are labeled for installation on grounded circuits only. The technician was surprised to see that; he agreed that the NEC does not require it, and promised to investigate.) Subject: How should I wire my shop? As with any other kind of wiring, you need enough power for all devices that will be on simultaneously. The code specifies that you should stay under 80% of the nominal capacity of the circuit. For typical home shop use, this means one circuit for the major power tools, and possibly one for a dust collector or shop vac. Use at least 12 gauge wire -- many power tools have big motors, with a big start-up surge. If you can, use 20 amp breakers (NEC), though CEC requires standard 20A receptacles which means you'd have to ""replug"" all your equipment. Lights should either be on a circuit of their own -- and not shared with circuits in the rest of the house -- or be on at least two separate circuits. The idea is that you want to avoid a situation where a blade is still spinning at several thousand RPM, while you're groping in the dark for the OFF switch. Do install lots of outlets. It's easier to install them in the beginning, when you don't have to cut into an existing cable. It's useful if at least two circuits are accessible at each point, so you can run a shop vac or a compressor at the same time as the tool you really want. But use metal boxes and plates, and maybe even metal-sheathed cable; you may have objects flying around at high speeds if something goes a bit wrong. Note that some jurisdictions have a ""no horizontal wiring"" rule in workshops or other unfinished areas that are used for working. What this means is that all wiring must be run along structural members. Ie: stapled to studs. Other possible shop circuits include heater circuits, 220V circuits for some large tools, and air compressor circuits. Don't overload circuits, and don't use extension cords if you can help it, unless they're rated for high currents. (A coiled extension cord is not as safe as a straight length of wire of the same gauge. Also, the insulation won't withstand as much heat, and heat dissipation is the critical issue.) If your shop is located at some remove from your main panel, you should probably install a subpanel, and derive your shop wiring from it. If you have young children, you may want to equip this panel with a cut-off switch, and possibly a lock. If you want to install individual switches to ``safe'' particular circuits, make sure you get ones rated high enough. For example, ordinary light switches are not safely able to handle the start-up surge generated by a table saw. Buy ``horsepower-rated'' switches instead. Finally, note that most home shops are in garages or unfinished basements; hence the NEC requirements for GFCIs apply. And even if you ``know'' that you'd never use one of your shop outlets to run a lawn mower, the next owner of your house might have a different idea. Note: Fine Woodworking magazine often carries articles on shop wiring. April 1992 is one place to start. Subject: Underground Wiring You will need to prepare a trench to specifications, use special wire, protect the wire with conduit or special plastic tubing and possibly lumber (don't use creosoted lumber, it rots thermoplastic insulation and acts as a catalyst in the corrosion of lead). The transition from in-house to underground wire is generally via conduit. All outdoor boxes must be specifically listed for the purpose, and contain the appropriate gaskets, fittings, etc. If the location of the box is subject to immersion in water, a more serious style of water-proof box is needed. And of course, don't forget the GFCIs. The required depths and other details vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so we suggest you consult your inspector about your specific situation. A hint: buy a roll of bright yellow tape that says ""buried power line"" and bury it a few inches above where the wire has been placed. Subject: Aluminum wiring During the 1970's, aluminum (instead of copper) wiring became quite popular and was extensively used. Since that time, aluminum wiring has been implicated in a number of house fires, and most jurisdictions no longer permit it in new installations. We recommend, even if you're allowed to, that do not use it for new wiring. But don't panic if your house has aluminum wiring. Aluminum wiring, when properly installed, can be just as safe as copper. Aluminum wiring is, however, very unforgiving of improper installation. We will cover a bit of the theory behind potential problems, and what you can do to make your wiring safe. The main problem with aluminum wiring is a phenomenon known as ""cold creep"". When aluminum wiring warms up, it expands. When it cools down, it contracts. Unlike copper, when aluminum goes through a number of warm/cool cycles it loses a bit of tightness each time. To make the problem worse, aluminum oxidises, or corrodes when in contact with certain types of metal, so the resistance of the connection goes up. Which causes it to heat up and corrode/ oxidize still more. Eventually the wire may start getting very hot, melt the insulation or fixture it's attached to, and possibly even cause a fire. Since people usually encounter aluminum wiring when they move into a house built during the 70's, we will cover basic points of safe aluminum wiring. We suggest that, if you're considering purchasing a home with aluminum wiring, or have discovered it later, that you hire a licensed electrician or inspector to check over the wiring for the following things: 1) Fixtures (eg: outlets and switches) directly attached to aluminum wiring should be rated for it. The device will be stamped with ""Al/Cu"" or ""CO/ALR"". The latter supersedes the former, but both are safe. These fixtures are somewhat more expensive than the ordinary ones. 2) Wires should be properly connected (at least 3/4 way around the screw in a clockwise direction). Connections should be tight. While repeated tightening of the screws can make the problem worse, during the inspection it would pay off to snug up each connection. Note that aluminum wiring is still often used for the main service entrance cable. It should be inspected. 3) ""push-in"" terminals are an extreme hazard with aluminum wire. Any connections using push-in terminals should be redone with the proper screw connections immediately. 4) There should be no signs of overheating: darkened connections, melted insulation, or ""baked"" fixtures. Any such damage should be repaired. 5) Connections between aluminum and copper wire need to be handled specially. Current Canadian codes require that the wire nut used must be specially marked for connecting aluminum to copper. The NEC requires that the wire be connected together using special crimp devices, with an anti-oxidant grease. The tools and materials for the latter are quite expensive - not practical to do it yourself unless you can rent the tool. 6) Any non-rated receptacle can be connected to aluminum wiring by means of a short copper ""pigtail"". See (5) above. 7) Shows reasonable workmanship: neat wiring, properly stripped (not nicked) wire etc. If, when considering purchasing a home, an inspection of the wiring shows no problems or only one or two, we believe that you can consider the wiring safe. If there are signs of problems in many places, we suggest you look elsewhere. If the wrong receptacles are used, you can replace them with the proper type, or use pigtails - having this professionally done can range from $3 to $10 per receptacle/switch. You can do this yourself too. Subject: I'm buying a house! What should I do? Congratulations. But... It's generally a good idea to hire an inspector to look through the house for hidden gotchas. Not just for wiring, but plumbing and structural as well. If an inspection of the wiring shows no problems or only one or two minor ones, we believe that you can consider the wiring safe (after any minor problems are fixed). If there are signs of problems in many places, we suggest you look elsewhere. Here's some hints on what to look for: Obvious non-code wiring can include: - Zip cord wiring, either concealed or nailed to walls - Hot wiring on the identified (neutral) conductor without proper marking. - Ungrounded grounding outlets (except when downstream of a GFCI) - Splices hanging in mid-air (other than proper knob-and-tube) - Switched neutrals - Unsecured Romex swinging about like grapevines Certain wiring practises that are actually to code (or were at one time) sometimes reveal DIY wiring that may have hidden violations: - Switches that seem to control nothing (abandoned, perhaps not properly terminated wiring) - A wall switch that shuts off a group of lights that are separately controlled by other wall switches. (except when it's *really* convenient ;-) - Switches and outlets in bizarre locations - Great numbers of junction boxes without outlets or lamps - Junction boxes with great numbers of wires going into them - Wiring that passes through a closet instead of a wall or ceiling - Backwrapped grounding wires Subject: What is this weird stuff? Old style wiring In the years since Edison ""invented"" electricity, several different wiring ""styles"" have come and gone. When you buy an older home you may encounter some of this stuff. This section describes the old methods, and some of their idiosyncrasies. The oldest wiring system you're likely to encounter is called ""knob and tube"" (K&T). It is made up of individual conductors with a cloth insulation. The wires are run along side structural members (eg: joists or studs) using ceramic stand-offs (knobs). Wire is run through structural members using ceramic tubes. Connections were made by twisting the wire together, soldering, and wrapping with tape. Since the hot and neutral were run separately, the wiring tends to be rather confusing. A neutral often runs down the centre of each room, with ""taps"" off to each fixture. The hot wire tended to run from one fixture to the next. In some cases K&T isn't colour-coded, so the neutral is often the same colour as the hot wires. You'll see K&T in homes built as late as the 40's. Comments on K&T: - the people installing K&T were pretty paranoid about electricity, so the workmanship tends to be pretty good. - The wire, insulation and insulators tend to stand up very well. Most K&T I've seen, for example, is in quite good condition. - No grounding. Grounding is usually difficult to install. - boxes are small. Receptacle replacement (particularly with GFCI) can be difficult. No bushing on boxes either, so wiring changes need special attention to box entry. - Sometimes the neutral isn't balanced very well between separately hot circuits, so it is sometimes possible to overload the neutral without exceeding the fusing on any circuit. - Building code does not permit insulation in walls that contain K&T. - Connection to existing K&T from new circuits can be tricky. Consult your inspector. - Modern wiring practise requires considerably more outlets to be installed than K&T systems did. Since K&T tends to be in pretty decent condition it generally isn't necessary to replace it simply because it's K&T. What you should watch out for is renovations that have interfered with it and be cautious about circuit loading. In many cases it's perfectly reasonable to leave existing K&T alone, and add new fixtures on new circuits using modern techniques. After K&T, they invented multi-conductor cable. The first type you will see is roughly a cloth and varnish insulation. It looks much like the romex cable of the last decade or two. This stuff was used in the 40's and 50's. Again, no grounding conductor. It was installed much like modern wiring. Its major drawback is that this type of insulation embrittles. We've seen whole systems where the insulation would fracture and fall off at a touch. BX cable of the same vintage has similar problems. This stuff is very fragile, and becomes rather hazardous if the wires become bare. This wiring should be left untouched as much as possible - whenever an opportunity arises, replace it. A simple receptacle or switch replacement can turn into a several hour long frustrating fight with electrical tape or heat-shrink tubing. After this wiring technique, the more modern romex was invented. It's almost a asphalt impregnated cloth. Often a bit sticky. This stuff stands up reasonably well and doesn't present a hazard and is reasonably easy to work with. It does not need to be replaced - it should be considered as safe as the ""modern"" stuff - thermoplastic insulation wire. Just don't abuse it too much. Subject: Where do I buy stuff? Try to find a proper electrical supply outlet near you. Their prices will often be considerably better than chain hardware stores or DIY centres, have better quality materials, have wider variety including the ""odd"" stuff, and have people behind the counter that know what you're talking about. Cultivate friendly knowledgeable sales people. They'll give you much valuable information. -- Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541 Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca " 7138,0,"From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) Subject: Re: The Problem of Satan (used to be: islamic authority over women) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 103 In article <1993Apr5.165233.1007@news.unomaha.edu> trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > Of course, Bobby then states that Satan has no free will, that > he does as God wants him to. This brings up a host of > paradoxes: is God therefore evil; do I have free will > or is God directing me also; if God is evil, which part > of his infinite self is good and which is evil; etc.? > I would like for once a solid answer, not a run-about. # I hope I gave you a fairly solid answer to this one: I simply don't agree # with the embodied version of a Satan who is a separate creation or a force. # I wrote: >> The belief to which I ascribe is that evil is not a creation; >> rather, it is ""the absence of good."" This fits with all the >> logic about things having dual use: e.g., a knife can be used >> to sculpt and it can be used to kill. Like entropy, evil is >> seen in this view as neither force nor entity. Satan is, >> therefore, metaphorical. In fact, there are several verses >> of the Holy Qur'an which appear to support this view and several >> Traditions as well. > >> For example, there is a Tradition that food should never be left open >> on a shelf or table overnight, lest ""Satan"" enter it. It appears >> that this is a reference to as yet undiscovered germs; thus, the >> evil effect of spoiled food is described as ""Satan."" >But there are many examples of Satan personified. Which am I > to believe? # And there are quite physical descriptions of Heaven and Hell in the # Holy Qur'an, the Bible, etc. There have been times in the spiritual # and intellectual evolution of the modern human when these physical # descriptions of Heaven, Hell, and Satan were taken quite literally # and that *worked* for the time. As I mentioned in the Tradition # cited above, for example, it was sufficient in the absence of a theory # about germs and disease spread by worms to simply describe the ""evil"" # which was passed to a consumer of spoiled food as ""satanic."" Which begs the question: if Satan in this case is metaphorical, how can you be certain Allah is not the same way? # The bottom line here, however, is that describing a spiritual plane # in human language is something like describing ""color"" to a person # who has been blind from birth. You may want to read the book # FLATLAND (if you haven't already) or THE DRAGON'S EGG. The first # is intended as a light hearted description of a mathematical con- # cept... [some deleted for space saving] # When language fails because it cannot be used to adequately describe # another dimension which cannot be experienced by the speakers, then # such conventions as metaphor, allegory, and the like come to be # necessary. The ""unseen"" is described in terms which have reference` # and meaning for the reader/listener. But, like all models, a compro- # mise must be made when speaking metaphorically: clarity and directness # of meaning, equivalence of perception, and the like are all # crippled. But what else can you do? This is why I asked the above. How would you then know God exists as a spirit or being rather than just being metaphorical? I mean, it's okay to say ""well, Satan is just metaphorical,"" but then you have to justify this belief AND justify that God is not some metaphor for something else. I say this because there are many, many instances of Satan described as a being (such as the tormentor in the Old Testament book of Job, or the temptor in the New Testament Gospels). In the same way, God too is described as a being (or spirit.) How am I to know one is metaphorical and not the other. Further, belief in God isn't a bar to evil. Let's consider the case of Satanists: even if Satan were metaphorical, the Satanist would have to believe in God to justify this belief. Again, we have a case where someone does believe in God, but by religious standards, they are ""evil."" If Bobby does see this, let him address this question also. [deleted some more on ""metaphor""] >> Obviously more philosophizing on this issue is possible, but I'm >> not sure that the readers of this newsgroup would want to delve >> into religious interpretation further. However, if anyone wishes >> to discuss this, I'm certainly willing (either off line - e-mail - or >> on line - posting). Stephen _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz... -- " 7139,19,"From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >[Followups set out of talk.abortion...] > >In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact >>that Christianity has a code of objective morality? > >Please define this ""objective morality"". > >While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism. Still searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see. Slimy tactic. - Kevin " 7140,6,"From: anuster@wam.umd.edu (Anu Tuli) Subject: Car for Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: usa Lines: 35 From mikefran Wed Apr 21 10:55:39 EDT 1993 Article: 56 of csc.general Newsgroups: dc.forsale,dc.general,um.general,csc.general Path: wam.umd.edu!mikefran From: mikefran@wam.umd.edu (Michael Francis) Subject: Car for Sale Message-ID: <1993Apr21.142729.7039@wam.umd.edu> Keywords: 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: csc,um,dc Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:27:29 GMT 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco Gold exterior and interior 5 speed transmission AM/FM Stereo with cassette Sunroof Engine in good condition New Tires Needs $300 work on front left control arm because of damage caused by pothole. Runs well Asking $800.00 AS IS / OBO. email: mikefran@wam.umd.edu " 7141,0,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 215 This kind of argument cries for a comment... jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com wrote: : In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes: Jim, you originally wrote: : >>...God did not create : >>disease nor is He responsible for the maladies of newborns. : > : >>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is : >>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of : >>creationism vs evolutionism, God created the original genetic code : >>perfect and without flaw. : > ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Do you have any evidence for this? If the code was once perfect, and has degraded ever since, we _should_ have some evidence in favour of this statement, shouldn't we? Perhaps the biggest ""imperfection"" of the code is that it is full of non-coding regions, introns, which are so called because they intervene with the coding regions (exons). An impressive amount of evidence suggests that introns are of very ancient origin; it is likely that early exons represented early protein domains. Is the number of introns decreasing or increasing? It appears that intron loss can occur, and species with common ancestry usually have quite similar exon-intron structure in their genes. On the other hand, the possibility that introns have been inserted later, presents several logical difficulties. Introns are removed by a splicing mechanism - this would have to be present, but unused, if introns are inserted. Moreover, intron insertion would have required _precise_ targeting - random insertion would not be tolerated, since sequences for intron removal (self-splicing of mRNA) are conserved. Besides, transposition of a sequence usually leaves a trace - long terminal repeats and target - site duplications, and these are not found in or near intron sequences. I seriously recommend reading textbooks on molecular biology and genetics before posting ""theological arguments"" like this. Try Watson's Molecular Biology of the Gene or Darnell, Lodish & Baltimore's Molecular Biology of the Cell for starters. : Remember, the question was posed in a theological context (Why does : God cause disease in newborns?), and my answer is likewise from a : theological perspective -- my own. It is no less valid than a purely : scientific perspective, just different. Scientific perspective is supported by the evidence, whereas theological perspectives often fail to fulfil this criterion. : I think you misread my meaning. I said God made the genetic code perfect, : but that doesn't mean it's perfect now. It has certainly evolved since. For the worse? Would you please cite a few references that support your assertion? Your assertion is less valid than the scientific perspective, unless you support it by some evidence. In fact, it has been claimed that parasites and diseases are perhaps more important than we've thought - for instance, sex might have evolved as defence against parasites. (This view is supported by computer simulations of evolution, eg Tierra.) : Perhaps. I thought it was higher energy rays like X-rays, gamma : rays, and cosmic rays that caused most of the damage. In fact, it is thermal energy that does most of the damage, although it is usually mild and easily fixed by enzymatic action. : Actually, neither of us ""knows"" what the atmosphere was like at the : time when God created life. According to my recollection, most : biologists do not claim that life began 4 billion years ago -- after : all, that would only be a half billion years or so after the earth : was created. It would still be too primitive to support life. I : seem to remember a figure more like 2.5 to 3 billion years ago for : the origination of life on earth. Anyone with a better estimate? I'd replace ""created"" with ""formed"", since there is no need to invoke any creator if the Earth can be formed without one. Most recent estimates of the age of the Earth range between 4.6 - 4.8 billion years, and earliest signs of life (not true fossils, but organic, stromatolite-like layers) date back to 3.5 billion years. This would leave more than billion years for the first cells to evolve. I'm sorry I can't give any references, this is based on the course on evolutionary biochemistry I attended here. : >>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer : >>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of : >>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the : >>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. Again, do you _want_ this be true, or do you have any evidence for this supposed ""degeneration""? I can understand Scott's reaction: : > Excuse me, but this is so far-fetched that I know you must be : > jesting. Do you know what pathogens are? Do you know what : > Point Mutations are? Do you know that EVERYTHING CAN COME : > ABOUT SPONTANEOUSLY?!!!!! : : In response to your last statement, no, and neither do you. : You may very well believe that and accept it as fact, but you : cannot *know* that. I hope you don't forget this: We have _evidence_ that suggests everything can come about spontaneously. Do you have evidence against this conclusion? In science, one does not have to _believe_ in anything. It is a healthy sign to doubt and disbelieve. But the right path to walk is to take a look at the evidence if you do so, and not to present one's own conclusions prior to this. Theology does not use this method. Therefore, I seriously doubt it could ever come to right conclusions. : >>Human DNA, being more ""complex"", tends to accumulate errors adversely : >>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the : >>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in : >>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Hence : >>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial : >>diseases/disorders. You are supposing a purpose, not a valid move. Bacteria and viruses do not exist to cause disease. They are just another manifests of a general principle of evolution - only replication saves replicators from degradiation. We are just an efficient method for our DNA to survive and replicate. The less efficient methods didn't make it to the present. And for the last time. Please present some evidence for your claim that human DNA is degrading through evolutionary processes. Some people have claimed that the opposite is true - we have suppressed our selection, and thus are bound to degrade. I haven't seen much evidence for either claim. : But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in : answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases, : and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require : babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original : question) -- I say no, it is not. Of course, nothing ""evil"" is god's fault. But your explanation does not work, it fails miserably. : You may be right. But the fact is that you don't know that : Satan is not responsible, and neither do I. : : Suppose that a powerful, evil being like Satan exists. Would it : be inconceivable that he might be responsible for many of the ills : that affect mankind? I don't think so. He could have done a much better Job. (Pun intended.) The problem is, it seems no Satan is necessary to explain any diseases, they are just as inevitable as any product of evolution. : Did I say that? Where? Seems to me like another bad inference. : Actually what you've done is to oversimplify what I said to the : point that your summary of my words takes on a new context. I : never said that people are ""meant"" (presumably by God) ""to be : punished by getting diseases"". Why I did say is that free moral : choices have attendent consequences. If mankind chooses to reject : God, as people have done since the beginning, then they should not : expect God to protect them from adverse events in an entropic : universe. I am not expecting this. If god exists, I expect him to leave us alone. I would also like to hear why do you believe your choices are indeed free. This is an interesting philosophical question, and the answer is not as clear-cut as it seems to be. What consequences would you expect from rejecting Allah? : Oh, I admit it's not perfect (yet). But I'm working on it. :) A good library or a bookstore is a good starting point. : What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or the : question to which I provided an answer? Biology and Genetics are : fine subjects and important scientific endeavors. But they explain : *how* God created and set up life processes. They don't explain : the why behind creation, life, or its subsequent evolution. Why is there a ""why behind""? And your proposition was something that is not supported by the evidence. This is why we recommend these books. Is there any need to invoke any why behind, a prime mover? Evidence for this? If the whole universe can come into existence without any intervention, as recent cosmological theories (Hawking et al) suggest, why do people still insist on this? : Thanks Scotty, for your fine and sagely advice. But I am : not highly motivated to learn all the nitty-gritty details : of biology and genetics, although I'm sure I'd find it a : fascinating subject. For I realize that the details do : not change the Big Picture, that God created life in the : beginning with the ability to change and adapt to its : environment. I'm sorry, but they do. There is no evidence for your big picture, and no need to create anything that is capable of adaptation. It can come into existence without a Supreme Being. Try reading P.W. Atkins' Creation Revisited (Freeman, 1992). Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. " 7142,3,"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ???? Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr15.133138.17369@cc.umontreal.ca>, gregof@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Grego Filippo) writes: > Hi fellow netters, > > I have a question for you... I am gonna buy a 486DX2-66 MHz > with VESA Local-Bus. IS the speed benefit that great ? > Would it be wise to spend on a local-bus system (HD controller > and graphic card) for normal use ( I mean I won't use it for a > server !!) ? > > Also, I read an article from someone ( sorry, I can't remember your > name ) and he said that even though you have a local-bus hard-disk > controller, your performances won't be that much greater because > of the disk's throughtput !!! > So what is the use of having a fast bus if the peripherals can't > cope with it ??? Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for! V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster. This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to video memory. Since there are usually 3 VLB slots card makers have been making cards to fit in the other two. How about an VLB ethernet card? Move the data into the card at 130 odd MB/s and then wait for it to tickle onto the net at just over 1Mb/s. [ Do do however free the local bus for other cards ] Some times you need fast busses and sometimes you don't! > > Thank you ... > > gregof@jsp.umontreal.ca > > Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 " 7143,3,"From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com In article <1993Apr19.034517.12820@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: [stuff deleted] >So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT >HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense. Actually, it does make a reasonable amount of sense. Fixed disk sectors are buffered by the controller, and transferring them to memory with a 'rep insw' (or whatever the instruction is called) is quite efficient (single instruction, goes as fast as the controller/cpu know how to use the bus). Since the 286 wasn't cached, the bus is likely a critical resource relative to CPU performance, and it's possible that DMA bus interference would cause as much or more loss of CPU cycles (for 'computing') as does the 'rep insw' sequence. The floppy, on the other hand, is not buffered, so that using the CPU for floppy data transfer (as was done on the PC Jr, by the way) really does stink. Wally Bass " 7144,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 17 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) says: > >HELP!!! >my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. >We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one. >My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small. >I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think). >Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range. > > Thanx > Geo Metro LSi :-) DREW " 7145,4,"From: umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Sorokowski) Subject: Request info on floptical drives. Keywords: floptical,mac,drives Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 20 I'm considering adding a floptical drive to my current system. What I would like to know is which floptical drives are recommended for their quality and performance. My preference would be floptical drives capable of handling both 800k and 1.4k floppies, but handling 800k floppies is not a necessity. So far, I only know a bit about the Iomega floptical and the Infinity floptical drives. Are there any comments/recommendations for either of these? Are there any other floptical drives that are worth looking into and where can they be purchased (i.e. which mail order places, etc). Thanks in advance. Please send replies directly to umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca ---- Mike Sorokowski (umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca) " 7146,4,"From: billd@informix.com (William Daul) Subject: Toshiba 3401 E and P CD-ROM Summary: need info on what difference is and where to find 3401P or E Keywords: toshiba, cd, cd-rom, cd rom Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 10 I notice the Toshiba 3401 has 3 versions, B - internal, E - external and P - portable. Can anyone tell me the difference between the portable and the external version? Where in the SF Bay Area can I find a model P? Thanks, --Bill -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% William Daul Advanced Support INFORMIX SOFTWARE INC. 4100 Bohannon Dr. (415) 926-6488 - wk Menlo Park, CA. 94025 uunet!infmx!billd or billd@informix.com " 7147,17,"From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Dear Mr. Beyer: It is never wise to confuse ""freedom of speech"" with ""freedom"" of racism and violent deragatory."" It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial distinction. Indeed, I find the latter in absolute and complete contradiction to the former. Racial invective tends to create an atmosphere of intimidation where certain individuals (who belong to the group under target group) do not feel the ease and liberty to exercise *their* fundamental ""freedom of speech."" This brand of vilification is not sanctioned under ""freedom of speech. Salam, John Absood ""Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter- most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to " 7148,4,"From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) Subject: Re: Sales of PowerBook slowing down... Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) Organization: Peirce Software Lines: 27 X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 In article (comp.sys.mac.hardware), martin@tohi (Jean-francois Martin) writes: > First, this is not an April 1 joke. > > A dealer in my town told me that the PowerBook don't sell as they use to sell. > The guy told me that Apple is having the same problem it has when the desktop > Mac was too expensive ; the PowerBook are too expensive in comparison to what > you can get on the DOS side. What do you think of this? Do you feel the same > thing about it? Just curious. Sounds about right. If there is high demand for a product there is little incentive to aggresively cut prices. Once the demand fall off a bit, then is the time to start getting aggressive with pricing. Waiting too long can really hurt your business though :-) The PowerBooks have sold very well up to now, if they are slowing down Apple needs to come out with some lower priced versions (the only reason I own a PowerBook is that I could spring for a $900 PB100, the rest of the lineup is way to pricey for me). I'd bet they'll be coming out with more power versions too. -- Michael Peirce -- peirce@outpost.sf-bay.org -- Peirce Software -- Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place -- -- San Jose, California USA 95117 -- Makers of: -- voice: (408) 244-6554 fax: (408) 244-6882 -- Smoothie -- AppleLink: peirce & America Online: AFC Peirce " 7149,17,"From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: Specialix Inc. Lines: 25 arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: >>through private contributions on Federal land"". Your hate-mongering >>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content >>and social value. Down the toilet it goes..... >> >And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things >concerning Israel. >Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to >recognize the statement that these ""private funds"" were all tax exmpt. In >otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And >finalyy, how does ""Federal land"" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien >monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money >to a foreign entity? >That ""Federal land"" and tax money could have been used to commerate >Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans. The donations are tax deductible like any donations to a non-profit organization. I've donated money to a group restoring streetcars and it was tax deductible. Why don't you contribute to a group helping the homeless if you so concerned? " 7150,9,"From: spira@panix.com (Greg ""Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life"" Spira) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: Boo! Lines: 36 In <1qsk9d$dck@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) writes: >In a previous article, steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) says: >>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >> >>> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes >>>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, >>>not the Cubs. >> >>Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with ""no talent"" >>over 162 games. >> >>I would amend your definition to: >> >>underdog: a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated >> talent. >>-- >>Dave! >> >OK, the Mets and O's are good examples, but what about the '90 Reds? Do you >really think that anyone expected them to sweep the A's? I know people who >didn't even think they'd win a game, let alone win the Series. These people were very silly. Any team that gets to the World Series can win the World Series, and anybody who ever expects a sweep is crazy. If you put the best team in baseball in the Series against the worst team in baseball, the worst team would win at least a game most of the time and very well could win the Series, though the odds would certainly be against them. Greg " 7151,15,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 23 In article mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes: >I have seen the claims, but I don't know if there are any >authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in >real languages they don't know. From my observations, ""speaking >in tongues"" in practice has nothing at all do with this. I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). Then I let the ""gifted one"" start ""speaking in toungues"". The audience should understand the ""gifted one"" clearly in their native language. However, the ""gifted one"" can only hear himself speaking in his own language. Works everytime. 8-) Perhaps I would believe the ""gifted ones"" more if they were glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd witness a real miracle. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 7152,15,"From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak) Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Reply-To: norris@mit.edu Organization: l'organisation, c'est moi Lines: 15 In article , mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: |> |> Parting Question: |> Would you have become a Christian if you had not |> been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about |> any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim |> you are brain washed. You write as if no-one ever became a Christian except people from Christian families. This is not true, as quite a few people on this group can attest (including me). -- Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu, Usenet addict, INTP Seeking job change: sys-mgr: VAX, SIS, COBOL, DTR; progr: UNIX, C/++, X " 7153,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.000021.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 55 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: > In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund > such a contest without delving to deep into the budget. I mentioned > granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, ""mining > rights.) Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are > not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli > situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group > (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year > moratorium on taxes. > > Tom Freebairn Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US Government? Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it? If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? Why can't a small company or corp or organization go an explore the great beyond of space? what right does earth have to say what is legal and what is not.. Maybe I am a few years ahead on this.. It is liek the old Catholic Church stating which was Portugals and what was Spains, and along came the Reformation and made it all null and void.. What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble.. Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason or another, but who will give you a ""home"".. Such as Saudia Arabia or whatever.. There are nations in the World who are not part of the UN, got to them and offer your services and such.. I know that sound crazy, but. is it.. Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it. The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will not care.. If your worried about the US, do the same thing.. Why be limited by the short sighted people of earth.. After all they have many other things to worry about that if someone is mining the Moon or MArs or what ever.. Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea.. I just read a good book, ""Tower of the Gods"" Interesting.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 7154,2,"Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? From: Aengus Lawlor Distribution: usa Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 36 In article , paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) says: > >In article <1993Apr24.062055.7123@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael >Panayiotakis) writes: >>> >>> >>>>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>>>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>>>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >>>>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >>>>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>>>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV >>> >>>Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >>>How do you convert this to a bit map??? >> >>You're supposed to delete everything above the ""cut here"" mark, and >>below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but >>*I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line. >> >>could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong? > >Sounds like the original poster of the bitmap uuencoded the file >on a DOS machine, and you tried to uudecode it on a Un*x machine, and your >uudecode program balked at the carraige-returns. Well, my newsreader shows the UUE file as having lots of spaces, which means it's broken before I even try to download it. Did anyone get it to uudecode successfully? Aengus -- RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM Aengus Lawlor RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE) ""How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"" ""Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"" " 7155,9,"From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (and thats a fact) Subject: Sax Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK. Lines: 5 Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job would be appreciated Thanks gwyn " 7156,2,"Subject: ==> MS Windows Sound System, Text to Speach? From: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Lines: 4 Hi all News Group users: Does anyone know whether there is some software which will let one do Text to Speach like the Sound Blaster does? Hal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca " 7157,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 29 gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame > start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. [deleted] > > We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we > die. I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people choose a meaningless existence. How terrible to go on living only because one fears death more than life. I feel so sorry for Eric and yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, and create. I will live forever with God. Christ is not a kind of drug. Drugs are a replacement for Christ. Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must do something to ease the pain. This is why the most effective substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual needs. Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled and abundant life. Jayne Kulikauskas/jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 7158,10,"From: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Reply-To: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling) Distribution: world Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241 Lines: 54 -=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=- CYT> : Michael Collingridge writes: : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. CYT> ; CYT> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to CYT> : Pittsburgh? CYT> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens CYT> recently... CYT> Caleb CYT> And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded CYT> captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske CYT> Man I hated that trade! Well as for team captains being traded in there first year in the NHL the Edmonton Oilers traded their captain Ron Chiperfield to the Quebec Nordique right at the trading deadline for Goaltender Ron Lowe In their second year of existence The Edmonton Oilers again right at the trade deadline traded their captain, this time B.J. McDonald to the Vancouver Canucks along with the rights to winger Ken Berry for Garry Lariviere and the rights to Lars Gunner Petterson as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton captain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky who was traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who only this year was traded to the N Y Rangers so that every captain the Edmonton Oilers have had has been traded. The present captain is Craig McTavish and we'll just have to wait and see. well talk to you later Steve ... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 " 7159,13,"From: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk (Nigel Ballard) Subject: Re: Adult Chicken Pox Distribution: world Organization: Infamy Inc. Reply-To: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 19 >I am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted >from my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies >all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's >office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true? I have been in the same boat as you last year. I've tried four times to send you an email response, but your end doesn't seem to accept my mail? Please let me know if you receive this. Cheers Nigel ************************************************************************ * NIGEL BALLARD | INT: nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk | VACANT LOT * * BOURNEMOUTH UK | CIS: 100015.2644 RADIO-G1HOI | FOR RENT * ************************************************************************ DIARIES OF THE FAMOUS... Colonel Custer...Surrounded by Indians, just when I fancied a Chinese! " 7160,13,"From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 8 In article , ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) writes: > > When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without > any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without > experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? > > Ho Leung Ng > ng4@husc.harvard.edu " 7161,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 48 Biblical basis for the Immaculate Conception: 1) ""I will put enmity between you [the Serpent] and the woman, and between your seed and her seed, she [can also be read he] shall crush your head and you shall bruise her [or his] heel."" -Genesis 3.15 2) ""He who commits sin is of the devil ..."" -1 John 3.8 3) ""Hail, full of grace [greek - kecharitomene], the Lord is with thee ..."" -Luke 1.28 From the above, we prove the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. First, God has given the proto-evangel in Genesis 3.15, which is the first promise of a savior, who will redeem mankind from the wiles of Satan. ""[Satan] was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth because there is no truth in him."" John 8.44. Now the proto-evangel promises several things, enmity between Satan and ""the woman"", and enmity between Satan and ""her seed."" Now the woman is both Eve (who is the immediate point of reference) and Mary, the second Eve. ""Her seed"" is Jesus Christ, and He is also at enmity with Satan in the same way as Mary is said to be at enmity with Satan. Thus, knowing as we do that Jesus Christ is sinless (Hebrews 7.26), we can conclude that Mary is also sinless because if she wasn't she would 1) not be at enmity with the devil, as 1 John 3.8 tells us, and 2) the relation of her sinlessness to Christ's sinlessness would be called into question, as would God's veracity. For God promised an enmity between Mary and the serpent, and it is not possible for God to lie or be decieved. Second, we have the Angelic Greeting where Mary is called by the Archangle Gabriel ""full of grace."" As I pointed out above this is from the Greek word ""Kecharitomene"" which means not just full of grace, but a plenitude or perfection of grace. The sense of it is best grasped by the footnote to the Jerusalem Bible, ""Hail you who have been and reamin filled with grace."" But that is a little to long to say, so it is reduced to full of grace. And as it says, ""you who have been"" Mary had always been filled with grace, from the moment of her conception, which was also the moment of her salvation, until her death some years later. It must be admitted that it is possible that God could have done what the doctrine of the Immaclute Conception says He did do. And if God could keep himself free from any contact with sin, through his Mother, He would have, and the Bible records this fact, to which the Fathers of the Church such as St. John Damascus, St. Augustine of Hippo , St. Ambrose and others are in complete agreement with, as is all of Christian tradition, and as is the infallible declaration of the Pope on the matter in ""Ineffibilus Deus."" Andy Byler " 7162,15,"From: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Ed Sayre) Subject: Orthodox List Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 7 I recently had to move and forgot to update my address to the Orthodox mailing list. Can anyone e-mail me the address for changes and what exactly I have to put in caps, etc? (please send the original subscription address also). Thanks ahead of time! -Ed. -- Ed ""Shredder"" Sayre internet: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us Unemployment Studies major " 7163,3,"From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net mreamy@rock.concert.net (Michael G Reamy -- Support) writes: >>and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if >>you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro >>17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality. >>This monitor can be had for around $1070. >> >>Has anyone actually seen any of these? >I am responsible for choosing standard components in my company and as part >of my review i got the Viewsonic 7, Mitsubishi 17, and Nanao F550is. I picked >the F550i even though it costs more than the other two choices because it >has a the best clarity and text is not fuzzy at all. The Viewsonic 7 is the >worst, the Mitsubishi 17 is much better but the Nanao F550i blows both of >them out of the water. I don't understand why the Nanao is so much better >since one would think that the Mitsubishi 17 with it's Trinitron tube would >be better. I can only imagine that the Nanao T560i must be incredible if it >is beter than the F550i. >-- >Michael G. Reamy (mreamy@rock.concert.net) >The light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming dragon. One of the monitors I reviewed for the June issue of Windows Magazine was the Mitsubishi. I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just been released. Last year for the May '92 issue of Windows, I reviewed several monitors, including the Nanao T560i. There's no question that the Nanao monitors are the best available this year, just as they were last year. The difference between my ranking of the best in Windows and the ranking in Windows Sources is due mainly to a difference in the testing criteria and the scoring. I used different tests than they did, and I scored differently. There's nothing wrong with the Mitsubishi, and it scored very highly in my tests, but it was a few points shy of perfect. Incidentally, one of the things everyone should do when they're reading reviews of any product, whether it's monitors or mice, is to read the criteria and methodology carefully. Unless you know how the product testing was done, and on what the scores are based, you can't possibly know what they really mean. Just seeing that I rank a monitor differently from Windows Sources is meaningless without knowing how we did the ranking. Likewise, it's impossible to tell whether a monitor will meet your needs unless you know how we did the testing. After all, some of what we do may not apply to you. Likewise, some of what we do may apply more closely in one review than in another. You can't always tell anything from reading the 300 or so words of commentary we write if you don't also understand the scoring. Wayne Rash " 7164,2,"From: dbd@icf.hrb.com (Douglas B. Dodson) Subject: Windows 3.1 or DOS 5.0 or SMARTDRV or ??? Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 59 Hello, I thought this problem might have something to do with Windows 3.1 SMARTDRV and a VESA video card...any ideas??? I recently purchased a 486DX-33 machine and am having problems where the machine will suddenly freeze or reboot. This may happen in Windows 3.1 or DOS 5.0. Sometimes it is after printing a document, sometimes after using the mouse, and sometimes just when I am sitting there. Twice when it happened, the machine rebooted and sounded seven beeps. I looked in the documentation and the seven beep code meant a problem with interrupts. The machine has the following configuration and files: 486DX-33 AMI BIOS 5.25 and 3.5 floppies 170 Meg IDE hard drive 256k cache Microsoft compatible mouse on com1 Citizen GSX-145 on lpt1 NI SuperVGA Monitor with VESA Windows Accelerator Card w/ 1Meg Two VESA slots Windows 3.1 DOS 5.0 CONFIG.SYS ========== DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DOS=HIGH DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE FILES=20 BUFFERS=20 STACKS=9,128 AUTOEXEC.BAT ============ @ECHO OFF LH C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE 1024 PROMPT $p$g PATH C:\DOS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\MOUSE LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE SET TEMP=C:\DOS LH C:\DOS\DOSKEY When the machine freezes, I can't use the mouse or keyboard or use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot. If any one can give me any help, I would greatly appreciate it. If anyone can help configure this machine for the best efficiency (memory wise) I would appreciate that also. -- Douglas B. Dodson Internet: DBD@ICF.HRB.COM HRB Systems, Inc. State College, PA USA 16804 Disclaimer! =========== Any ideas or opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the ideas or opinions of HRB. " 7165,15,"From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 5 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen: Luke 19:37 " 7166,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 52 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article dgw@elite.intel.com (Dennis Willson) writes: [..] > > On February 28, 1993, the special agents attempting to serve the > Federal search warrant were all dressed in apparel clearly identified > with the letters ""ATF"" and a highly visible police-type badge. > Additionally, the special agents announced who they were and their > purpose for being at the compound. > > Immediately following this announcement, gunfire erupted from the > compound, resulting in the deaths of four ATF special agents and the > wounding of several others. Through no fault of ATF, the element of > surprise was lost, which caused the tragedy. This statement simply amazes me! ""Through no fault of ATF, the element of surprise was lost""! What element of surprise? In the paragraph preceding this one, he said ""... the special agents announced who they were and their purpose for being at the compound"", which was to serve the federal warrant. No element of surprise was even needed for that. No, the element of surprise that they lost was that needed for a preemptive first strike, without warning. > Inasmuch as the warrants > remain sealed by a U.S. magistrate, and the investigation remains in an > active ongoung status, we are prohibited from disclosing any further > information at this time. > Read: They need to wait until they see how it comes out before they fabricate anymore, which could get disproven. > We hope we have been responsive to your letter. Please let us know > whenever we may be of service. > > Sincerely yours, > > Daniel M. H??l??tt [can't make out signature] > Deputy Director As always, no facts, just my opinions/observations. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 7167,12,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: Need to find out numb Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Lines: 24 AL>> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can AL>> use to find out the number to the line? AL>> Thanks for any response. AL>> Al AL>There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized AL>voice telling you the number of the line. Unfortunately, for the AL>life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians AL>use it all the time. We used to play around with this in our AL>dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between AL>rooms. It probably wouldn't help for you to post the number, since it appears to be different in each area. For what it's worth, in the New Orleans area the number is 998-877-6655 (easy to remember, what?) * SLMR 2.1 * Ask me anything: if I don't know, I'll make up something. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 7168,12,"From: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception) Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Lines: 25 In article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu>, st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes: -| I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz -| 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously -| a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the -| systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for -| the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works -| fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer -| of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) -| might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some -| suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications -| problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? -| Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought -| that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). -| Are there any MC68882RC33? -| -| Thanks -| Christian -| Have you changed the crystal that clocks for the FPU. If you haven't then it won't work. Conrad " 7169,1,"From: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) Subject: Re: POV file constructor for Unix/X11 Nntp-Posting-Host: merkur.prakinf.tu-ilmenau.de Reply-To: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) Organization: Technische Hochschule Ilmenau Lines: 17 In article <1r7hl1$csc@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (chumphre) writes: |> |> Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic |> package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated. |> Thanks. |> A very good modeling package I found is `irit' (look for irit.tar.Z). However there is no converter from it's format to POV format. I postet a request for such a converter in this group but got no response, so I'm considering to write such a program myself. -- Sebastian Schmidt TU Ilmenau Institut f. praktische Informatik " 7170,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Boom! Dog attack! Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 59 My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to harm. But I digress: I was riding near the (unpainted) centerline of the roughly 30-foot wide road, doing between forty and sixty clicks (30 mph for the velocity-impaired). The dog shot at me from behind bushes on the left side of the road at an impossibly high speed. I later learned he had been accelerating from the front porch, about thirty feet away, heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road. I saw the dog, and before you could say SIPDE, he was on me. Boom! I took the dog in the left leg, and from the marks on the bike my leg was driven up the side of the bike with considerable force, making permanent marks on the plastic parts of the bike, and cracking one panel. I think I saw the dog spin around when I looked back, but my memory of this moment is hazy. I next turned around, and picked the most likely looking house. The apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt (cut mouth) and hoped I was not hurt either. I could feel the pain in my shin, and expected a cool purple welt to form soon. Sadly, it has not. So I'm left with a tender shin, and no cool battle scars! Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never moved off course. The not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike off course, nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some gut reaction to the sudden impact. Delayed pain may have helped me here, as I didn't feel a sudden sharp pain that I can remember. What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? I eagerly await comment. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * ""He's hurt."" ""Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."" ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 7171,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 7 While one may question the motives of the Arabs who sold land to Jews, often while publicly criticizing the sale of land to Jews, it was the Jews and not the Arabs who were taken advantage of, as the prices the Jews paid for barren land was many times the price fertile land was being sold for in the United States at the same time. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 7172,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Remarks at Town Hall Meeting Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 530 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 13, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT, SECRETARY OF EDUCATION RICHARD RILEY AND SECRETARY OF LABOR ROBERT REICH IN GOALS 2000 SATELLITE TOWN HALL MEETING Chamber of Commerce Building Washington, D.C. 8:30 P.M. EDT SECRETARY RILEY: Good evening and welcome to all of you in the thousands of communities around the country that are taking part in this satellite town meeting for the month of April. You know, today is April 13th. In 1743, Thomas Jefferson was born, 250 years ago. I think that's appropriate to mention at the beginning of this meeting because since that time he has been, of course, a person who has been one that we've all followed in terms of our democracy and the importance of education here in this great country. The success of our democracy according to Jefferson really depends upon the success of our educational system. His philosophy of government, his belief in the importance of education is also very meaningful to our special guest here this evening. Tonight we're so pleased to have with us President Clinton. He's come over from the White House to join us in the Chamber of Commerce studios. Mr. President, it's good to have you. We thank you for taking the time to visit with these communities here on the satellite network and we welcome you here this evening. Also we have with us Secretary of Labor Robert Reich. And, Bob, it's certainly pleasant to have you with us this evening also. I have some questions for our two guests, and I'm sure many of you do, too. So please call us if there's something that you'd like to ask. The number is 1/800/368-5781 or 5782. In Washington, D.C. the number is 202/463-3170 or 3171. I believe the President has a few words that he might want to share with us. And, Mr. President, I'll ask you to do that at this time. It's great to have you. THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. I'm glad to be here with my friends, Dick Riley and Bob Reich -- also members of my Cabinet -- at the headquarters of the Chamber of Commerce to support the effort that the Chamber is making, along with its Center for Work Force Preparation, to help to examine tonight the whole critical question of how to move our young people from school to the work place. I want to compliment the Chamber on all their efforts, recognizing that without an educated work force we can't grow this economy or remain competitive, and recognizing that we all have to work together -- business and government, labor and educators -- to make things happen. This satellite town meeting is a good example of that kind of working together. And if you'll forgive me a little home state pride, I want to say a special word of thanks to the Wal-Mart Corporation, headquartered in Bentonville, Arkansas, for providing several hundred of the sites for this town meeting tonight. I appreciate that a lot, as well as the sites that are provided for all the rest of you. I have tried as hard as I could to move toward constructive change for this country. Secretary Riley talked about this being Thomas Jefferson's 250th birthday. If Thomas Jefferson believed in anything, he believed in these three things: first, in education; second, in real personal liberty, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of the press; and third, in the absolute imperative of changing as times change. If you go to the Jefferson Memorial here in this beautiful city, which is now bedecked with all of its wonderful cherry blossoms, you will see Jefferson saying that we have to change with changing times. For us here in America, that means reducing our deficit and increasing our investment and putting our people first so that we can compete in the world. We're here to talk about that tonight -- about what we can do to educate and train our people better. Unless we do that, none of the efforts that all the rest of us make in government, even to bring the budget into balance, even to increase our investment in other things which will grow jobs, will last in the long run. We also have to have people who can carry their load. And in a world where the average young person will change jobs seven or eight times in a lifetime, that begins with the education system and continues into the work force where education must go on for a lifetime. It's not just important what you know, but what you can learn. And if I might, I'd like to close just by emphasizing we're doing our best to try to have the most innovative partnership between the Labor Department and the Education Department and the private sector to build a good school-to-work transition. And we're trying to get off to a good start this summer with a program that would create more than 700,000 new summer jobs, including many thousands that have a strong education component so our young people can be learning and working at the same time. Dick, I think I ought to stop there. That's a good place we can begin, I think, the discussion. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you so much, Mr. President. Each month we get together and talk about ways that all citizens can work towards reaching the national education goals. And tonight, we'll focus on goal five, and how communities such as yours can prepare students for this world of work. This week, the Education Department and the Labor Department are hosting a conference here in Washington, D.C. called Summer Challenge, a program of work and learning, to America's youth. The aim is to use some special funds from President Clinton's proposed economic stimulus package to provide educationally-enriched jobs and summer school programs for young people in disadvantaged areas of the country. Mr. President, let's talk a minute -- you alluded to it somewhat -- about the Summer Youth Challenge. Your program calls for more educational enrichment in the summer jobs. And why in your words is that so important? THE PRESIDENT: I think it's important for two reasons. First of all, a lot of the young people we're trying to reach may have had trouble adjusting to school and learning. And while we want them to have a good experience with a real job, we also want them to continue to learn during the summer because we know from a lot of research that a lot of kids that have trouble learning in school may forget as much as 30 percent of what they learned the previous year over the summertime. And that is a very unproductive thing for schools to have to take up a lot of time teaching what they already taught before. Secondly, we want to help these young people progress, not only in terms of work, but in terms of learning. We want to abolish the artificial dividing line between what is work and what is learning because we think that the best and most productive workers will have to be lifetime learners. And we think that this experience could maybe drive that point home and prepare these young people to succeed in school, or at work, or in college as they go on. SECRETARY RILEY: Well, I think the fact that these are disadvantaged kids -- that gap, that lag you mentioned as they go into the next year, is really even greater. Secretary Reich, of course, you have training programs throughout the year. And I wonder is you have any comment about this educational component of training. SECRETARY REICH: Well, what we've learned, Mr. Secretary, is that for many young people, whether it's for the summer or for the year, actually on-the-job work experience combined with education is one of the best ways of learning. Many young people, for example, have a lot -- they have a difficult time learning geometry. But when they actually are there building something or working on something, and they can see the exact and direct application of geometry, they understand what it's used for. And a lot of young people -- just that sense of connection between education and the world of work is terribly, terribly important. It's important during the summer, but it's important for a lot of young people even beyond the summer. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you. Mr. President, you've called for a youth apprenticeship program, school-to-work transition. And I wonder if you would tell us a little bit about your concept of that and how you see it developing. THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, let's talk about why it's important. Most new jobs that will be created in this decade will not require a four-year college degree, but most of them will require some learning and skills that go well beyond what most people get in a high school diploma. If you look at the last 10 years, the average salaries of young people that had at least two years of good post-high school education was a good salary that went up over the decade. The young people who had less than that tended to have lower wages that did not go up, and in many cases in real terms fell over the decade, because they weren't productive, they weren't more valuable to their employers. So we think America has a big economic interest in trying to ensure that all the young people who get out of high school but don't go on to college make a transition to work, which includes two years of further training either in a community college, a vocational setting, or perhaps on the job. And what I have done in this budget, as you know, is to give you and Secretary Reich some funds and some incentives to try to work in partnership with states and with the private sector to build these programs state-by-state in a way that would be customized essentially by the business community, based on the needs of the economy in any given area. It could revolutionize long-term the quality of the American work force and the earnings of American workers. SECRETARY REICH: I should add, Mr. President -- I think you know this from your experience in Arkansas -- and many of the people watching this program -- that the business community and educators, labor groups are already in many of our communities, many of our states, building a school-to-work transition program. In fact, there's an awful lot of ferment, a lot of excitement. The people watching this program probably are the ones who are most directly involved in that. And more power to them. Secretary Riley and I are going to do everything we can to build on the successes already out there. SECRETARY RILEY: Bob, we're going to be talking tonight about youth apprenticeship and tech prep, the co-op learning career academies. And what features all those programs that deal with this subject -- what are some of the features that every one of these school-to-work programs might have that are important? SECRETARY REICH: Well, one thing that we've seen -- and you and I have been working at this for a long time, and you much longer than I -- we've seen that active involvement of the business community is absolutely essential. And I'm so delighted that we're doing this in the headquarters of the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce of the United States is committed to doing these kinds of programs -- training, education, retraining -- and we've aimed to work very closely with the Chamber. The business community is going to be actively engaged in developing almost an audit of the kind of jobs that are needed and helping the educators, community colleges, technical institutions develop curricula that are relevant for the jobs of the future. Communities have got to come together. I mean, this is one of the most important things. You've got to have all of these players in a community come together and work together and cooperate together. You know, too often we have the educators over here and the business leaders over here, labor groups over here and everybody is talking, but they're not really working together in a common strategy. And the third and final ingredient I would say, Dick, would be a commitment to excellence -- a commitment both to academic excellence and also to skills development excellence. This is not a tracking program we're talking about for kids who are not going to make it. This is a program that every young person ought to be eligible for. If they want to go on beyond that to four-year college, that's fine. That ought to be permissible. But we're talking about the foundation of learning about jobs, the foundation skills for on-the-job learning. And again, those are the critical components. It's already being done. THE PRESIDENT: I think -- if I might just interject one point based on my personal experience at home -- the business community has a critical role to play, not simply in saying here are the job skills that are needed and here's what ought to be taught, but also in monitoring that excellence. If you have the right sort of partnership there, the people who are paying the taxes and who are going to then be hiring the workers are not going to permit the second-rate programs to survive if they have any way to shape and influence them. So I think that's very important. And when we try to, if you will, fill in the blanks at the federal level, trying to set some standards and provide some funds, one of the things that we want to be sure and do is to make sure that the employer has a heavy amount of influence over the quality of these programs, because that's really what's going to determine whether the whole thing is worthwhile. SECRETARY RILEY: That's great. We've been talking, of course, about school-to-work and also the jobs and economic recovery program for this summer and fall. But let's talk just a moment about long-term school reform. It's something especially close to me. Mr. President, I wonder if you would give us some of your ideas for the communities out here on Goals 2000 legislation that I think will be coming forth before too long. THE PRESIDENT: Well, as you know, back when you and I were both governors, we spent a lot of time working on our public schools and we tried to be very candid with our people in saying that a lot of these things were going to take some time to materialize. I had a hand in writing the National Education Goals that the governors drafted, along with representatives of President Bush's administration back in 1989. And what we're going to try to do this year with your leadership is to introduce legislation in Congress that will actually define the things that the national government ought to do to try to help the local schools and the children of this country and the adult learners, too, meet those goals -- making sure that when -- by 2000, people show up for school ready to learn; that we get a 90 percent on-time high school graduation rate; that children at the 4th, 8th, and 12th grades are confident in the subjects they're supposed to know; that they are second to none in math and science; that are schools are safe, disciplined, and drug-free. And, of course, the fifth goal --I took them out of line to say this the last -- is that we have a system of life-long learning in this country. And each one of those goals there's a national role, a state role, a school role, school district role, and a private sector role. And what you've attempted to do in this bill you're going to introduce with me in the next few weeks is to define what our job is; and then to give the rest of America a way of defining what their job is and seeing whether we're actually meeting the standards of quality that we need to meet. It's very exciting. So far as I know, nothing quite like it has ever been done in the form of federal legislation before. Not mandating and telling people what they have to do with their money, but actually setting up a framework for excellence and partnerships so that we can do our job. I'm really excited about it. SECRETARY RILEY: Well, I am, too. And I think really it will be an entirely new role for the federal government in terms of its relationship with states, serving as a partner really to support and facilitate and to help out in these education reform efforts, all driven by high standards. That's the point. Bob, let me ask you one question, and then we'll get to the telephone calls. It's about the same subject. We have, of course, skills standards that are going to be part of Goals 2000, and I wonder if you would comment on that. SECRETARY REICH: Well, you know, we have 75 percent of our young people who don't graduate from college. Very often they don't have very many alternatives. They do have a wonderful system of community colleges and technical institutions, but if we had national skill standards to which they could aspire and which employers would understand as a national credential, many of these young people would actually find that they were much more eligible for jobs. Everybody doesn't have to go to college. Other countries you have smaller proportions of their population going to college, but you have a whole level of people who have certain technical, preprofessional skills. We can do it in this country. If you don't go to four-year college you're not a loser. And we want to develop those national skill standards. We're going to be working with the states, with the Education Department, with a lot of private industry in developing those standards. And I think they will be the kinds of things that enable our vocational and technical and other institutions to rally around, as well as our business community. SECRETARY RILEY: Well, that's great. Why don't we go ahead and go to the telephone. We have a call, I see -- Mayor Bruce Todd of Austin, Texas. Q Yes, Mr. President and Mr. Secretary Reich and Riley, we certainly appreciate the opportunity to join you today. We have some dedicated professionals and volunteers here in Austin who have heard what you have said and are very appreciative. Let me simply say, amen to some of the comments made already. We agree with much of the tone that the Clinton administration has taken, and are very supportive. We have been successful here in Austin of tripling our summer employment program over the last four years. We expect to have over 2,000 employed this year in the summertime; perhaps as much as 3,500 with the federal assistance. Much of the question that we had designed you have answered in your opening comments, so we must be thinking alike. But the question essentially involved what initiatives after Labor Day would be appropriate. We know summertime is important. Year-round is even more important. And what kind of initiatives at the federal level might be proposed to meet the needs of the youth on a year- round basis? And perhaps more importantly, how can families and the local community be more involved using the federal initiative? That's something that we believe is very important to success in this effort. SECRETARY RILEY: Mr. President. THE PRESIDENT: I think I'll give everybody a chance to answer the question, Bruce, but let me first thank you for calling, and thank you for all the great work that you're doing in Austin. I've seen some of it and I've always been very impressed. First, with regard to the summer program, we hope we can structure it in a way that will enable us to continue the summer program and that will move a lot of these young people back into schools under circumstances that might allow them to do some work in the private sector, too. We hope that -- Secretary Reich is going to try to set up a system where we create a lot of private sector jobs to be matched with the public sector jobs this summer. And we're working on that. Secondly, in the program that I have presented to the Congress over the next five years, what we are attempting to do is to build in an amount of investment that's quite substantial for job training programs, for school-to-work programs, all of which give heavy, heavy weight to local community input -- just the question you asked -- but do provide some federal investment dollars, which we hope you can put with local dollars to keep people working and being trained on a year-round basis. And I will say again, to echo what Secretary Reich said a moment ago, to try to break down the barrier between what is seen as work and what is seen as learning. An awful lot of young people actually have quite high IQs, but actually learn so much better when they're doing than when they're reading or just listening. So we hope that the community involvement part of it will be permanent, and we hope that if the whole budget passes -- and we do have 200 budget cuts and more than 200, actually, in the budget -- and some revenue raisers, and some new money for education and training, that we'll be able to do just what you seem to want based on your question. Bob, do you want to say anything? SECRETARY REICH: Well, you took most of the words out of my mouth, Mr. President, as usual. But let me just add one thing, and that is that one of the most important aspects of post-high school for a lot of young people who are not going on to college, in addition to the school-to-work program, simply is the availability of jobs. And we've got to get this economy moving again, obviously. It's terribly important to get this recovery program, to get the economy back on track. That's sort of the prerequisite to everything else. If we don't get the economy back on track -- we have -- I think this is the 16th -- correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. President -- I think is the 16th month we have had seven percent unemployment or greater. This is a jobless recovery. A lot of those kids are going to be getting out of school in June. And even if we did everything right, they would have a very, very hard time getting jobs. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you both. Of course, Goals 2000 will be a permanent, long-term thing that will certainly reach into next year. It will involve, if passed -- and we certainly hope it will be -- action plans with every state where we can be working together to reach for the goals in a number of different ways. And then the state, with all the various school districts, a very important part of that will be citizen and parent involvement. And I think everybody will see a great energy out there, once we get that moving. The next call is Dr. Harry Heinemann, New York. Doctor? Q Good evening, Mr. Secretary. It is a pleasure to be on with you this evening. As you may know, bridging the school and work has been central to La Guardia's educational program since its inception in the 1970s, and that includes the college, the two alternative high schools that operate on our campus, and the linkages we have forged with the local schools. We have found this to be an extremely effective learning strategy. And over the years, we've come to believe that there are several principles that are very important in bridging the school and work. And these include integrating theory in the classroom with practice in the workplace, with providing all students early exposure to careers, as well as providing opportunities for them to reflect upon these experiences while they strengthen their skills; and lastly, the critical role of the liberal arts, particularly in the development of high performance competencies. My question, then is: How can the general education faculty and the academic curriculum be more closely integrated with transition to work experience? And what mechanisms and strategies can you suggest to achieve this integration? SECRETARY RILEY: Well, thank you very much. I think -- and we'll get a response from you all on that, and very interesting work going on there. We're going to have three people, our next guests on the program this evening, that will be some specialists in that area that you're speaking, and I'll certainly pass that on to them and we can discuss it later. You all care to comment -- any comments you might have? THE PRESIDENT: I'd just like to say, if I might, one thing. I want to reemphasize this and I don't think I'm being as clear about it as I'd like, although I think at least one of the people who will be on the second panel will be able to say it more explicitly than I. I think this whole concept of applied academics is very important. And I think that we have to basically abolish what I consider to be a very artificial distinction between what is vocational learning and what is academic learning. I think we should keep the liberal arts going. I think we should have a strong component for people who are in the vocational program. SECRETARY REICH: It seems to me that we also need to rethink our entire tracking system, because a lot of these school and work combinations are important for mainstream students. They're important for all students. It's not just a special group of students that needs them. Some of the experiments that I've seen around the United States -- Dick, I'm sure you've seen them as well -- are mainstream experiments. They're mainstreaming all the students. At 11th and 12th grades they're giving them a combined work and school experience and then a transition program. And again, the kids can either go on to college if they want; they can go on to technical community; they can go on to an entirely -- a large variety of possibilities and career directions. But we have to get away from the stigmatizing that often goes on with young people who simply are doing job-related or work- related work within the classroom, within our schools. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you, very much. I think that's going to be the last call that we have time for. Mr. President, I think you've got to move on to another matter, and I want to thank you and Secretary Reich for being here. We appreciate your time and your ideas, and it's been a tremendous help to us. END9:00 P.M. EDT " 7173,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: An invisible God! Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr17.152833.7811@maths.tcd.ie> pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes: >jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) writes: >> God CAN be seen: >> ""And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."" >Wot? God's a mooner? Such lunacy! >(Gee, maybe there's something in this Christianity thing after all - >maybe God is John Belushi from ""Animal House"") The SuperNatural One wants to have a personal relationship with you. JHVH-1, come quick! " 7174,2,"From: iis@netcom.com (International Imaging Syste) Subject: List of Favorite Windows Goodies? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 9 Is anyone maintaining a list of favorite shareware and public domain Windows software? I have several such lists for MSDOS, but they are really light on Windows stuff. David Arnstein International Imaging Systems arnstein@iis.sun.com " 7175,18,"From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics Lines: 27 In article , mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes: > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I was under the impression that the Marines > in question invited Clinton down for the same treatment. While a > bar fight is a bar fight, threatening the Commander in Chief seems > a rather unprofessional thing for a professional soldier to do... > > Also, it appears that two of the three Marines have some sort of charges pending against them from another fight they were in a week before. Interesting. Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank R. Chloupek CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University (Not just any Ohio State University) ""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: somebody else's place."" --P.J. O'Rourke " 7176,4,"From: lian@mips.com (Jeff Lian) Subject: Monitor for LCIII Keywords: LCIII monitor Organization: MIPS Technologies, Inc. Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: arctic.mti.sgi.com Originator: lian@arctic.mti.sgi.com Hi folks I'm planning to buy a LCIII but need advice on choosing a monitor. What do people recommend for a decent 14""/15"" monitor? I'v looked at some ads and the spec for NEC 4FG/4FGe and the price is within my budget, but could LCIII be able to use the various resolutions available on 4FG (specifically the 1024x768 resolution)? Does LCIII only support one resolution? Also any recommendations for a reliable mail order place for LCIII or monitors? Does anyone have experience with the following mail-order places? SYEX EXPRESS (Houston, Tx) USA FLEX (Bloomingdale, Il) Thanks, jeff -- Jeff Lian lian@mti.sgi.com - or - lian@mips.com MIPS Technologies, Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Boulevard P.O. Box 7311 M/S 10L-175 " 7177,9,"From: msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Silverman) Subject: Cubs behind Marlins? How? Article-I.D.: mnemosyn.1993Apr6.194103.8810 Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 74 I've noticed that is has become fashionable lately in rsb to predict the Marlines to finish ahead of the Cubs....how? First Base: Grace vs Destrade...Could Destrade be the second coming of Cecil Fielder? I doubt it. If Destrade performs to the height of expectations, then even, otherwise, edge to Cubs Second Base: Sandberg vs Barberie...No contest. Sandberg will be back May 1. Edge to Cubs...a big edge. Shortstop: Vizcaino vs Weiss...Vizcaino is excellent defensively, but is an automatic out at bat. Weiss isn't much better with the stick. Even. Third Base: Dave Magadan vs Buechelle...Magadan has a higher OBP and is a better hitter. Buechelle has more power and is better defensively (I think) Edge to Florida. Catcher: Santiago vs Wilkins...Wilkins is OK, but Santiago is better. Edge to Marlins Left Field: Conine vs Maldonado...Wow! 4 for 4 yesterday...I know Conine has potential. I watched him play at Omaha the last couple years. Until he actually proves himself, I give Maldonado the edge, however, like at 1B, this is position where Florida might be even or better *if* the player there has a huge year. Center: Scott Pose vs Wilson/May...Edge to May, even if Wilson. Hopefully the Cubs will use may and save Wilson for pinch running and the like. May isn't Ken Griffey Jr, but he will hit .275 with 15 homers if he plays full time. Right: Felix vs Sosa...Felix Jose has occasional power and a bad OBP. So does Sosa, but Sosa also has speed and a good glove. Edge to Cubs Starters: Aquino? Armstrong? Hammond? A lot of fifth starters here. The Cubs won't remind anyone of the Brave staff, but Morgan-Castillo-Guzman-Hibbard is average to OK...better than the Marline. Edge to Cubs Middle Relief: Even. The Cubs have some decent middlemen, and so do the Marlins. Carpenter anf Klink or decent, but so are Assenmacher and McElroy. Closer: A healthy Harvey is a big edge to the Marlins. Meyers is decent, but no Harvey. Of course, the Cubs may have a few more games to save. Look for 30 saves, 5 blown from Meyers, and 25 saves, 3 blown (with a better ERA) for Harvey. Edge Florida. Overall, an edge to Chicago. Neither of these teams will threaten to win anything, of course. e -- msilverm@nyx.cs.du.edu GO CUBS!!! ""One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball"" - Geddy Lee " 7178,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 14 In article <1qp9d1$e37@dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes: > Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there > that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of > applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they > intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. Umm... I beg to differ with the phrase ``only conceivable meaning''. The SDNS protocols, for example, make explicit provision for multiple encryption systems, as does PEM. (And I'd love to see how they'd mandate this new system for PEM without disclosing it....) Mind you, I'm not saying that multiple algorithms will actually be used -- but the relevant technologies certainly provide for them, which certainly casts doubt on your choice of words. " 7179,14,"From: ldaddari@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Larry D'Addario) Subject: Re: Russian Email Contacts. In-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 12: 52:09 GMT Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory Lines: 32 It is usually possible to reach people at IKI (Institute for Space Research) in Moscow by writing to IKIMAIL@esoc1.bitnet This is a machine at ESA in Darmstadt, Germany; IKI has a dedicated phone line to this machine and someone there logs in regularly to retrieve mail. In addition, there are several user accounts belonging to Russian scientific institutions on @sovam.com which is a commercial enterprise based in San Francisco that provides email services to the former USSR. For example, fian@sovam.com is the ""PHysics Institute of the Academy of Sciences"" (initials transliterated from Russian, of course). These connections cost the Russians real dollars, even for *received* messages, so please don't send anything voluminous or frivilous. ===================================================================== Larry R. D'Addario National Radio Astronomy Observatory Addresses (INTERNET) LDADDARI@NRAO.EDU (FAX) +1/804/296-0324 Charlottesville +1/304/456-2200 Green Bank (MAIL) 2015 Ivy Road, Charlottesville, VA 22903, USA (PHONE) +1/804/296-0245 office, 804/973-4983 home CHO +1/304/456-2226 off., -2106 lab, -2256 apt. GB ===================================================================== " 7180,7,"From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.222254.6651@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker) writes: |> Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that |> pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an |> excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more |> old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine. |> The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into |> your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to |> the local oil recycle center. This does sound good, but I heard it tends to leave more grit, etc in the oil pan. Also, I've been told to change the old when it's hot before the grit has much time to settle. Any opinions? -- Bryan Welch Amateur Radio: N0SFG Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb Disclaimer: It's all opinion. Everything. So there. " 7181,5,"From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) Subject: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5 Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer. Lines: 9 Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX/X11R5?? brians -- Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" Support Engineer \`o_O' Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark brians@atlastele.com U " 7182,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The >distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people >whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these >soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. That still doesn't mean we should cheer their deaths. Policemen are also in the line of fire and their job includes the possibility of getting killed. Should we be happy when they die? As I said before, the question is not whether or not you agree with the policies of Israel. You may wish for the Israelis to cease occupation, but don't rejoice in death. >-marc Ed. " 7183,13,"From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () Subject: MYSTERY ILLNESS WITH SPOTS Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet () Organization: Materials Research Lab Lines: 13 I attended high school in the San Jose, California area in the early 1980's, and I remember a (smallish) outbreak of a strange illness, in which people developed measles-like spots on their bodies. This condition seemed to last only a few days, and I don't recall anyone reporting any other symptoms. I seem to recall reading somewhere that this was believed to have been viral in nature, but I don't know for sure. However, I have been curious since then about this. Anyone have any ideas about what this might have been? " 7184,17,"From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute Lines: 184 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu In-reply-to: backon@vms.huji.ac.il's message of 20 Apr 93 21:38:19 GMT In article <1993Apr20.213819.664@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > > In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > > > > 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of > > individuals which were tried in secret and for which their > > identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are > > state secrets ? > > > Apart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there > was one other espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona > Biological Institute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried ""in camera"". > I wouldn't exactly call it a state secret. The trial was simply tried > behind closed doors. I hate to disappoint you but the United States > has tried a number of espionage cases in camera. At issue was not a trial behind closed doors, but arrest, trial and imprisonment in complete secrecy. This was appraently attempted in the case of Vanunu and failed. It has happened before, and there is reason to believe it still goes on. Read this: From Ma'ariv, February 18 (possibly 28), 1992 PUBLICATION BAN The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. By Baruch Me'iri All those involved in this matter politely refused my request, one way or another: ""Look, the subject is too delicate. If I comment on it, I will be implicitly admitting that it is true; If I mention a specific case, even hint at it, I might be guilty of making public something which may legally not be published"". The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. More precisely: A court ordered publication ban was placed on the fact of their arrest, and later on their imprisonment. In Israel of 1993, citizens are imprisoned without us, the citizens of this country, knowing anything about it. Not knowing anything about the fact that one person or another were tried and thrown in prison, for security offenses, in complete secrecy. In the distant past -- for example during the days of the [Lavon - YA] affair -- we heard about ""the third man"" being in prison. But many years have passed since then, and what existed then can today no longer be found even in South American countries, or in the former Communist countries. But it appears that this is still possible in Israel of 1993. The Chair of the Knesset Committee on Law, the Constitution and Justice, MK David Zucker, sent a letter on this subject early this week to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, and the Cabinet Legal Advisor. Ma'ariv has obtained the content of the letter: ""During the past several years a number of Israeli citizens have been imprisoned for various periods for security offenses. In some of these cases a legal publication ban was imposed not only on the specifics of the crimes for which the prisoners were convicted, but even on the mere fact of their imprisonment. In those cases, after being legally convicted, the prisoners spend their term in prison without public awareness either of the imprisonment or of the prisoner"", asserts MK Zucker. On the other hand Zucker agrees in his letter that, ""There is absolutely no question that it is possible, and in some cases it is imperative, that a publication ban be imposed on the specifics of security offenses and the course of trials. But even in such cases the Court must weigh carefully and deliberately the circumstances under which a trial will not be held in public. ""However, one must ask whether the imposition of a publication ban on the mere fact of a person's arrest, and on the name of a person sentenced to prison, is justified and appropriate in the State of Israel. The principle of public trial and the right of the public to know are not consistent with the disappearance of a person from public sight and his descent into the abyss of prison."" Zucker thus decided to turn to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice and the Cabinet Legal Advisor and request that they consider the question. ""The State of Israel is strong enough to withstand the cost incurred by abiding by the principle of public punishment. The State of Israel cannot be allowed to have prisoners whose detention and its cause is kept secret"", wrote Zucker. The legal counsel of the Civil Rights Union, Attorney Mordechai Shiffman said that, ""We, as the Civil Rights Union, do not know of any cases of security prisoners, Citizens of Israel, who are imprisoned, and whose imprisonment cannot be made public. This is a situation which, if it actually exists, is definitely unhealthy. Just like censorship is an unhealthy matter"". ""The Union is aware"", says Shiffman, ""of cases where notification of a suspect's arrest to family members and lawyers is withheld. I am speaking only of several days. I know also of cases where a detainee was not allowed to meet with an attorney -- sometimes for the whole first month of arrest. That is done because of the great secrecy. ""The suspect himself, his family, his lawyer -- or even a journalist -- can challenge the publication ban in court. But there are cases where the family members themselves are not interested in publicity. The journalist knows nothing of the arrest, and so almost everyone is happy..."" Attorney Yossi Arnon, an official of the Bar, claims that given the laws as they exist in Israel today, a situation where the arrest of a person for security offenses is kept secret is definitely possible. ""Nothing is easier. The court orders a publication ban, and that's that. Someone who has committed security offenses can spend long years in prison without us knowing anything about it."" -- Do you find this situation acceptable? Attorney Arnon: ""Definitely not. We live in a democratic country, and such a state of affairs is impermissible. I am well aware that publication can be damaging -- from the standpoint of security -- but total non-publication, silence, is unacceptable. Consider the trial of Mordechai Vanunu: at least in his case we know that he was charged with aggravated espionage and sentenced to 18 years in prison. The trial was held behind closed doors, nobody knew the details except for those who were authorized to. It is somehow possible to understand, though not to accept, the reasons, but, as I have noted, we at least are aware of his imprisonment."" -- Why is the matter actually that serious? Can't we trust the discretion of the court? Attorney Arnon: ""The judges have no choice but to trust the presentations made to them. The judges do not have the tools to investigate. This gives the government enormous power, power which they can misuse."" -- And what if there really is a security issue? Attorney Arnon: ""I am a man of the legal system, not a security expert. Democracy stands in opposition to security. I believe it is possible to publicize the matter of the arrest and the charges -- without entering into detail. We have already seen how the laws concerning publication bans can be misused, in the case of the Rachel Heller murder. A suspect in the murder was held for many months without the matter being made public."" Attorney Shiffman, on the other hand, believes that state security can be a legitimate reason for prohibiting publication of a suspect's arrest, or of a convicted criminal's imprisonment. ""A healthy situation? Definitely not. But I am aware of the fact that mere publication may be harmful to state security"". A different opinion is expressed by attorney Uri Shtendal, former advisor for Arab affairs to Prime Ministers Levi Eshkol and Golda Meir. ""Clearly, we are speaking of isolated special cases. Such situations contrast with the principle that a judicial proceeding must be held in public. No doubt this contradicts the principle of freedom of expression. Definitely also to the principle of individual freedom which is also harmed by the prohibition of publication. ""Nevertheless"", adds Shtendal, ""the legislator allowed for the possibility of such a ban, to accommodate special cases where the damage possible as a consequence of publication is greater than that which may follow from an abridgment of the principles I've mentioned. The authority to decide such matters of publication does not rest with the Prime Minister or the security services, but with the court, which we may rest assured will authorize a publication ban only if it has been convinced of its need beyond a shadow of a doubt."" Nevertheless, attorney Shtendal agrees: ""As a rule, clearly such a phenomenon is undesirable. Such an extreme step must be taken only in the most extreme circumstances."" -- Yigal Arens USC/ISI TV made me do it! arens@isi.edu " 7185,7,"From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 61 tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Vel > >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. > >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to > >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five > >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly > >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck > >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she > >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and > >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. > > > >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I > >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but > >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? > > > >Erik velapold > > Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason > is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is > ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort > children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised > when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the > message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! > > AT Well people fortunatly or unfortunatly , only the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among developed nations). I am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that can happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket picked by Slaves or Russian refugees. Of cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare. I.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during the night without even worrying. In Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look behind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a sparkling cleen. Whoever of you have been there you know what I am saying. I dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism we might get somewhere. Of course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce crime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend more money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech revelant). Vlasis Theodore ___________________ Software Engineer IDB Mobile Communications. Sig under development ... " 7186,15,"From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Lines: 31 ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis) writes: [ Much deletion. He is trying to explain the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary.] > 'Original sin' is the only reason (fallen) humanity > dies. Adam and Eve would not have died had they > not fallen. If this is true than why in the Genesis story is God concerned that Adam and Eve might also eat from the Tree of Life and live forever and be like gods? Eating of the tree of life would not take away the effects of eating of the Tree of Knowledge. Is there any reason to assume that they had already eaten of the Tree of Life and so had already attained to eternal life? If so, what basis is there for saying that this was taken away from them? To me the wages of sin are a spiritual death, not necessarily a physical death. I can attest to the truth of this interpretation from my own experience. I suspect that many others could attest to this as well. Peace Will ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | | Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | | Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | | But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7187,5,"From: ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto) Subject: Re: X-server multi screen Organization: be41t Lines: 37 rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes: >Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you: >I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. >Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: > -) multi-screen > -) multi-headed > -) multi-display > -) X-Server zaphod mode >Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle >(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? >How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one >screen/display to another. >Any hints welcome. >Thanks, rainer. >-- >Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 >ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 >Penzingerstr. 76 | >A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the server. -- Indecision is the key to | Timothy E. Neto (206) 655-5190 1 000 flexibility, & you can't | Of B & T's Gadget & Widget Works 1 0. .0 E-Mail God. | Flight Systems Lab, Boeing Comm. Aircraft 1 0 _ 0 My ideas not Boeing's | Internet: ten0772@aw401.fsl.ca.boeing.com 1 000 " 7188,8,"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted Organization: University of East Anglia Lines: 14 martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes: >I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow >FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has >not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for >asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way! I've got a Belstaff tankbag on my FJ1100, and it ain't too good. It's difficult to fix it securely cos of the the tank/fairing/sidepanel layout, and also with the bars on full lock the bag touches the handlebar switches, so you get the horn on full left lock and the starter motor on full right!! If I was buying another I think I'd go for a magnetic one. " 7189,9,"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: mbongo.ucsd.edu In article <93108.164642RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes: |> In article <1993Apr17.020347.9554@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com>, |> prg@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com (Phil Gunsul) says: ... |> ps: hey kids, take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your |> parents' wallets and mail them to: |> |> bob vesterman |> And send him a shift key too... -- Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029 " 7190,1,"From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Is there an FTP achive for USGS terrain data Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 6 Is there an FTP archive for United States Geological Services (USGS) terrain data? If so, where? -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. " 7191,13,"From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: >I think that's the correct spelling.. Crullerian. > I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow >do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking >that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for >sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly >appreciated. Crullerian photography isn't educational, except in a purely satiric sense. > In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my >knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic >object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns >or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type >of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might >extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within >the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. Crullerian photography involves putting donuts between grease-covered hot metal plates while illuminating them with a Krypton Stroboscope. Through a unique iteration involving the 4th-dimensional projection of a torus through the semi-stochastic interactions of hot monomolecular lipid layers covering the metal plates (the best metal is iron since it repels Vampires and Succubi) the donuts start developing flutes, and within moments actually become poly-crenellated hot greasy breadtubes. Some people believe that food is the way to a man's heart, but most psychics agree that there is nothing like hot Crullers for breakfast; the chemical composition of crullers is a mystery, some thought evidence of Charles Fort's channeling in Stevie Wonder's production of ""The Secret Life of Plants"" when played backwards in the theatre of unnaturally fertile Findhorn Farms has deduced that they are complex carbohydrates ordinarily only found by spectoscopy in the Magellenic Clouds. I called Devi on my Orgone Box and asked her if this was really the case, and she TM levitated me a letter across the Atlantic to tell me it was indeed not just another case of misunderstanding Tesla, though the Miskatonic University hasn't confirmed anything at all. At least the Crullers taste good; I got the recipe from Kaspar Hauser. -- | Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live | today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so. " 7192,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 24 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Leo Belliveau) says: > Anyone, > > I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to >put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would >be a good starter bike for me. I do know one thing however, I need to >make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is >out of the question. I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR >600 F2, GSX-R 750). I know that this may sound kind of crazy >considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a >fast learner, and in love. Please give me any advice that you think >would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific >bikes that you want to sell me. > > Thanks :-) The answer is obvious: ZX-11 D. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 7193,3,"From: husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) Subject: Tape Drive Problems Article-I.D.: ux1.C52szz.489 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Please reply via e-mail since this is job related: I have a Colorado Jumbo back-up system at one of my places of employment and it has eaten two tapes by winding the tape off the spool. Is there an easy fix or is the tape drive fried? Does it simply need cleaning? Any and all comments will be appreciated! Stephen Husak -- ""What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you anything you didn't know when you woke up today..."" - Depeche Mode ""Nothing"" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES -= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois " 7194,18,"From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 25 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes: > Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from > being screwed up in the head, given that example! > >(Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to >get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal >drugs and who IS NOT ""screwed up"" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's >not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an >immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice >THIS to THAT!). Hello, is there anybody in there? You think you have to pay for this idiot's problem now, who's going to pay for the ballooning number of addicts and all of the associated problems with them. I don't even want to think about it with Hillary in the White House and an administration that ""feels our pain"". No harm but to himself? What about when he drives his school bus full of kids into a train. When he gets stoned and drives up on a sidewalk and kills 5 people. When he lives off me on Welfare for the rest of his life. The problem with the WOD is that it has no bite. Sending the slimy bastards to the chair for selling drugs to kids, now there's some bit. " 7195,15,"From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) Subject: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 20 I appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query. One reply, which I have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one of which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan. By coincidence, last week's _America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles Bourke, Corpus Christi's pastor emeritus. Fr. Bourke also directed the NT translation in the New American Bible. He noted ""...certain practices have been introduced into the Mass in such a manner that an atmosphere of banality, and sometimes of hilarity, has trivialized the liturgy."" I note that at my parents' parish on Easter, helium filled balloons were distributed at the offertory, apparently to aid in understanding the word ""risen"". This was not a kiddie mass, either, but the well-attended 11:00 Mass. I wanted to note the generous spirit behind the replies. This newsgroup as a whole offers generally moderate (perhaps because it's moderated) conversation on topics that often lead people to extreme behavior (including myself). Sometimes people do go over the top, but the remarkable thing is how that is the exception, I think. Benefits of the doubt are generally granted. It seems so...Christian? John Murray " 7196,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: TDR plug-in Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 18 I have an HP 1815 TDR plug-in for an HP180 series scope or mainframe that I'm never going to use (no scope any more). If you're interested in it, please let me know. Price? Probably real cheap. This notice may have appeared once before. I posted, and it never showed up on our local server... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 7197,13,"From: joel@cs.mcgill.ca (Joel MALARD) Subject: Bone marrow sclerosis. Summary: Information sought. Keywords: Severely low blood cell count Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 10 I am looking for information on possible causes and long term effects of bone marrow sclerosis. I would also be thankful if anyone reading this newsgroup could list some recognized treatment centers if anything else than massive blood transfusion can be effective. If you plan on a ""go to the library""-style reply, please be kind enough to add a list of suggested topics or readings: Medicine is not my field. Regards, Joel Malard. joel@cs.mcgill.ca " 7198,8,"From: jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) Subject: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff? Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co. Lines: 11 I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops. And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious things like that. My questions would not be found in those places nor answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop. If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc. don't bother writing in. Thanks. " 7199,2,"From: syshtg@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Tom Gillman) Subject: Re: Please Refresh On Internet Access To CompuServe Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 22 cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) writes: >Hi, >sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining CompuServe access thru >the Internet. But I seem to misplace those articles. Can someone please >refresh me where (which site) I can telnet to to gain access. >Hopefully I can download files as well. This should be in the FAQ, it only get asked about twenty times a month There is *NO*, that's right, *NO* telnet access to Compuserve, no ftp access, no gopher access....no Internet services except e-mail. You can telnet to hermes.merit.edu, but that routes you through Sprintnet, which is horrendously expensive. -- Tom Gillman, Systems Programmer | ""AAAAAGGGGHHHH"" Wells Computer Center-Ga. State Univ. | -- Any ""Classic"" Star Trek Security (404) 651-4503 syshtg@gsusgi2.gsu.edu | officer sometime during the show GSU doesn't care what I say on the Internet, why should you? " 7200,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: We're from the government and we're here to help you Summary: Historical examples and the US Constitution Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 76 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr8.200326.27560@infonode.ingr.com> albeaj@jima.b17d.ingr.com (Jim Albea) writes: > > >In article <1993Mar24.235606.15959@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >Ouch, now that really hurts. I'm being accused of no breadth nor depth >to my historical knowledge because I'm unwilling to agree that economic >inequality leads to poverty and from there to ""social and political >instability"". You go read your history again. POVERTY is the main >engine of social instability (in this context, we'll put aside religious >turmoil, mass migrations, etc.). Well, the fact of the matter is that poverty is imperfectly related to social and political instability, while economic inequality is much more strongly related. In virtually all major revolutions including England (the Puritan revolution), France, Russia and China, the revolutions occurred as economies were undergoing substantial long term growth and poverty was declining. What sets off revolutions is massive inequality coupled with a perception on the part of those at the bottom that social change is possible. If ""poverty (were) the main engine of social instability,"" this typical historical pattern would not hold. In fact, revolutions would have been far more typical before the nineteenth century than since that time. [Much deleted...] >|> Gee, Jim, if you'll check the Constitution you'll find ""in order to... >|> promote the general welfare...do ordain and establish this Constitution..."" >|> I'm surprised you missed it. It's right there in the first paragraph. I >|> would have thought you would have made it at least through the preamble. > >You almost got it right, and it was a good try, but you should follow your >own advice. The PREAMBLE to the CONSTITUTION does read as you have quoted >but let us not forget that after all it is only the preamble. It is not >a binding part of the Constitution and carries no weight in the law. That >poor tortured paragraph has got to be one of the most unfortunate passages >in the English language - witness the legions of blowhards like yourself who >think those vague flowery phrases are part of the law of the land. Do you >really believe that a politician only has to give lip service to ""promoting >the general welfare"" to be within the limits of the constitution? Sorry, buddy, but some other ""blowhards"" managed to include the ""general welfare"" in another portion of the constitution. Article I Section 8: ""The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes...to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States..."" I guess they wanted to make sure everyone understood they meant what they said in the preamble. >Just to make sure you've got the point, let's do a little experiment. What >if the constitution read as follows? > >Preamble: We the people, to promote the general Welfare, do ordain > and establish this Constitution for the United States of > America. > >Constitution: The Federal Government shall have one function and one > function only - to provide for the defense of the nation. > But as noted above, the constitution doesn't say that, does it? >The government would not then have two functions: defense and Welfare. But since it explicitly includes both the general welfare and defense in Article I, Section 8, I guess you'll grant that botha are constitutional functions. Right? jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 7201,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: The Escrow Database. Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 17 In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > >After the Waco Massacre and the Big Brother Wiretap Chip, any tactic >is fair. This is pernicious nonsense! David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 7202,2,"From: tapscott@adoc.xerox.com (Peter Tapscott) Subject: For Sale: Harvard Graphics for Windows Keywords: Harvard Graphics, sale Organization: Xerox PARC Distribution: us Lines: 17 For Sale: Brand new, shrinkwrapped HARVARD GRAPHICS FOR WINDOWS List Price: $500 Cheapest pince in Computer Shopper (mail order): $315 My Price: $250 This is really a slick package, but I won it in a bike race so I can't return it for credit. My dilemma is your fire sale. -- ** Peter Tapscott, Xerox - Palo Alto Research Center ** Internet: tapscott.adoc@xerox.com XNS Net: Tapscott:PARC:Xerox ** 415 813-6885 " 7203,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: atheist? Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 38 In article Tony Lezard writes: (Deletion) >> In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and >> it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods. >> >> The concept is useless, and I don't have to introduce new assumptions >> in order to show that. > >Yes I fully agree with that, but is it ""I don't believe gods exist"", or >""I believe no gods exist""? As MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) >pointed out, it all hinges on what you take the word ""believe"" to mean. > For me, it is a ""I believe no gods exist"" and a ""I don't believe gods exist"". In other words, I think that statements like gods are or somehow interfere with this world are false or meaningless. In Ontology, one can fairly conclude that when ""A exist"" is meaningless A does not exist. Under the Pragmatic definition of truth, ""A exists"" is meaningless makes A exist even logically false. A problem with such statements is that one can't disprove a subjective god by definition, and there might be cases where a subjective god would even make sense. The trouble with most god definitions is that they include some form of objective existence with the consequence of the gods affecting all. Believers derive from it a right to interfere with the life of others. (Deletion) > >Should the FAQ be clarified to try to pin down this notion of ""belief""? >Can it? > Honestly, I don't see the problem. Benedikt " 7204,6,"From: mark@ardsley.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell) Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale Organization: Western Business School Distribution: usa Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours Nntp-Posting-Host: home-pc1.business.uwo.ca Lines: 19 > >I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a >Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before >the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether >the phone is working. > >Tin > Not true. Dial 811 and listen to the recording. If you get it, then your phone was recognized by the network. You wouldn't be able to dial a real number yet (of course!) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR Located in sunny London, Ontario Internet: Mark@ARDSLEY.business.uwo.ca IP Address: 129.100.29.33 Packet: VE3PZR @ VE3GYQ UWO Phone: (519) 661-3714 " 7205,9,"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) Subject: Scoring runs. Was Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Distribution: na Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu In article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: |> Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with |> nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR? Actually, for the Padres this year so far it's 23%. They are 5th in the league in HRs, and ALL have been solo shots. Pythagorean projection puts them at .360 winning percentage or 58-104. Need some pitching help, fast! Good news, though, is that Hurst has been throwing curveballs w/o any pain. Threw 80 pitches yesterday. Should be back in a couple of weeks. Maybe we can trade him to the Yankees for Militello. Dave -- Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029 " 7206,7,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Options that would be great to have... Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 26 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says: A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing options on a car, or things you'd like to have... 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of> mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge... 2) Full size spare 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors. 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment and cabin. Feel free to add on... 5) Power windows -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 7207,15,"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism) Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 31 In a previous article, mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says: >In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: >That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father', >we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being >like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal >sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is >usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less >misleading of the two possibilities. I don't know which passage you are refering to, but the passage I have often seen cited as an example of a mother image of God is Isaiah 49:15 ""Can a woman forget her sucking child / that she should have no compassion / on the son of her womb? / Even these may forget, / yet I will not forget you."" This passage is *not* a mother image of God at all. The mother here is the image of the best human constancy can show, and it is contrasted with the constancy of God. The mother figure here represents mankind, not God. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== [Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! --clh] " 7208,14,"From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech Lines: 19 Distribution: world Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: euclid.jpl.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr18.014305.28536@sfu.ca>, Leigh Palmer writes: > In article Henry Spencer, > henry@zoo.toronto.edu writes: > >The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. > >When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and > >the film continuously repeating. > > Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the > month with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time. > Once again netnews has enriched my life. Sorry to put a damper on your plans, but I was there three weeks ago and it wasn't there. Not that I would have known to look for it, of course, but I combed the space exhibits pretty thoroughly and something like that would have caught my attention instantly. -- This is news. This is your | Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech brain on news. Any questions? | (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov) " 7209,8,"From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: [riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted] >Well, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates. >Obviously you're not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the >others? I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho. Ride safe, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II (Tem) | | | | This bike is in excellent condition. | | I've done all the work on it myself. | | | | -- Glen ""CRASH"" Stone | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7210,13,"From: npm@netcom.com (Nancy P. Milligan) Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I'd dump him. Rude is rude and it seems he enjoys belittling and humiliating you. But don't just dump him, write to him and tell him why you are firing him. If you can, think about sending a copy of your letter to whoever is in charge of the clinic where he works, if applicable, or maybe even to the AMA. Don't be vindictive in your letter, be truthful but VERY firm. But don't be a victim and just put up with it. Take control! It'll make you feel great! Nancy M. -- Nancy P. Milligan npm@netcom.com or npm@dale.cts.com " 7211,11,"Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 25 Marc Thibault (marc@tanda.isis.org) writes: > (The Jester) writes: > > Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk > > space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your > > computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly > > messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin > This sounds like a version Unix. Solaris? as someone who just lived through a switch from SunOS4.x.x. to Solaris, i'll heartily agree with this. ObCrypt: one of my main gripes with Solaris is its braindead mailx, which is -almost- enough like mail to get you hoping, but crashes horribly when you try to do anything useful with it. (like use pgp- capable sendmail replacements.) jason -- ""I stood up on my van. I yelled, `Excuse me, sir. Ain't nothing wrong with this country that a few plastic explosives won't cure!'"" - Steve Taylor, I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` " 7212,10,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: WC Pool B : GB win the gold In-Reply-To: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:03:17 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 30 In <1993Apr5.130317.8175@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca writes: > In article <1porp4$1c0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk writes: > > > >GB has now risen from nowhere to Pool A in 5 seasons. They pulled out of the > >World Championships in 1981, and did not re-enter until 1989 when we took part > >in Pool D. In 1990, we hosted Pool D and won all our game to progress to > >Pool C. In 1991 GB finished 5th in Pool C, and then last year we hosted > >Pool C, again winning all our games. Now after Pool B, GB won all 7 games > >and in now in Pool A. World Champions next year perhaps :-) > > > > Just goes to show you what using Canadians can do for a hockey team... > France, Italy, and now Great Britain all use a significant number of > Canadians on ""their"" hockey teams. Yup. Then again, there are lots of foreign-born players on the Canadian national soccer team so the Brits give something back to you in the end:-) --- For the record, former NY Rangers coach Ted ""Darth"" Sator recently led Lion Milan (Jari Kurri's former team, only the nickname's changed [Devils->Lion]) to their second straight Italian championship. They made the European Final Four last autumn after losing to Swedish champs Malmo in the semis...and accomplished this feat using FIFTEEN Canadian-born players!! Mamma mia! MARCU$ > Gerald > " 7213,9,"From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) Subject: Game Score Report Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto Lines: 12 Just out of curiosity, what happened to the weekly AL and NL Game Score Reports? I used to enjoy reading them throughout the summer for the last two years. Inquisitively yours, Joel -- Joel Chan , Dept. of Mathematics, University of Toronto Toronto Blue Jays -- 1992 World Series Champs! ""History: Those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it. Math, too."" - From the comic strip ""Betty"" " 7214,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 138 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r21g2INNeah@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu > >(Andrew Betz) writes: > >> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their > >> >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. > >> >> > >> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever > >> >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of > >> >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" > >> > >> Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people > >> come out with their hands up several weeks ago. > >> > >It didn't happen. > > And who is responsible for it not happening? > Certainly not the children. Koresh was calling the shots. He was > talking with his lawyer and the FBI. Since others were released safely, > there is no sane reason for keeping the children inside the compound. > The FBI and Koresh were calling the shots. And there were very sane reasons for keeping the children, if they let them go, the parents would NEVER see them again. That is not an easy choice, in spite of you cold attitude about it. > >> >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally > >> >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely > >> >>scenarios. > >> > > >> >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating > >> >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly > >> >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. > >> > >> More than someone who would not release children from the compound. > >> > >Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. > > Not at all. Are you a Koresh worshiper? I am a constitution worshiper. You quite obviously eat anything the authorities feed you, without doubt, which makes you no different that a Koresh worshiper > > >> I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". > >> I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in > >> 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. > > > >Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you > >to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. > > Thanks for my laugh of the day! Definitely a very silly supposition. > If you do not believe this, you are truly naive. It is not only possible, it is easy. I worked in the broadcast profession, at a network station, in the late 70s, I know what I'm saying here. Embarrasing footage is easy to get, add a little sinister music, and the right voice-over, and I'll have you mother agreeing to commit you. > >You should at least view the whole > >documentary before you claim it as a source. > > I would if I could. The news show that showed the lengthy excerpts also > had interviews with the filmmaker who made the documentary who basically > confirmed what was shown in the excerpts from the time he spent at the > compound in 1992. > The news shows were looking for excerpts which backed their position. Do you think they would show excerpts which disproved their points? > >> I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they > >> bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are > >> responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. > > > >Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? > >I saw one place. > > I believe that this was reported by local radio reporters on site. > A fire started in a three story tower at the same time as the two > story window shown on the tv coverage. > The reports of multi-starts came solely from the FBI. Anyone observing the fire from the available video would be hard pressed to see more than one point of fire. Which spread across the compound as a uniform rate. > >> >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. > >> >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is > >> >>ludicrous. > >> > > >> >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to > >> >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people > >> >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? > > > >Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it > >is the root cause of all the other suspicion. > > I thought about mentioning how Reagan and the military treated the press > in Grenada and how that set the precedent, but decided it wasn't worthy > of discussion. If the news reporter got shot, you can bet his family > would sue the government for letting him into the danger area. No reported has ever sued the government for such a situation. They know the dangers. Remember, the BATF invited the initial coverage. And how about a simple, remote-controlled, camera or two? There were ways to provide media access. The FBI obviously just didn't want any. > > The root cause of suspicion in my mind is why 100 people wouldn't flee > a building that had numerous exits during the 30 minutes time it took > to burn down. Or why didn't they flee hours earlier when the tear gas was > first introduced? I can find no rational explanation for their behavior. > I can find several. Tear gas and smoke making it impossible to remove the barricades. Flames blocking exits to the saferooms. Perhaps the gun shots were from the FBI, keeping them pinned in? Who knows? > -- > Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 7215,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Is Keith as ignorant as he seems? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes: >>>No, everything wouldn't be OK, but it would be a start. >>Now wait, if the religious organizations were no longer tax-exempt, what >>other beef could you have? They would then have as much right to lobby >>as would any other group. >You asked ""would everything be okay"". I answered no. Everything >encompasses more than just the tax-exempt status of religious >organizations. Well, if everything wouldn't be okay, then tell us what it is that wouldn't be okay. That is, if religions were no longer tax-exempt, then what would be wrong with their lobbying or otherwise attempting to influence politics? keith " 7216,18,"From: Will Steeves Subject: Re: Anita Hill...giving out pubic hairs?! Oh please! PROVE IT!! X-To: THEODORE A. KALDIS Organization: The Zoo of Ids Lines: 100 kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes... >In article <1993Mar20.161551.4638@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.org (Will S >eeves) writes: >[J. Lani Herrmann:] >>>> We are wondering why the Clinton administration is having so much >>>> trouble finding a suitable nominee for the post of Attorney General, >>>> when there is an obviously superior candidate:... >>>> We refer, of course, to Prof. Anita Hill. >[Michael Friedman:] >>> Probably because if they pick her the Republicans will investigate >>> the rumors that she sometimes returned papers to her students with >>> a couple of pubic hairs inserted between the pages. >> While I'm hardly one of Prof. Hill's biggest fans, I find *this* hard >> to believe. >> Could you please supply (with a post, preferably) some proof of this, >> ie., newspaper articles documenting such allegations, etc.? >Well, your ignorance about this is unsurprising, given you're a >Canadian. And I'm at a complete loss at to why you should be so >interested in this, given that it is an American issue which should >properly be of absolutely no concern to you at all. Actually, my interest in gender issues is not limited to international boundaries. Indeed, I often exchange information with Americans about issues which concern us, in both countries. >In any event, in >answer to your question, the following is taken from David Brock's >article, ""The Real Anita Hill"", published in the March 1992 issue of >_The_American_Spectator_. [This is taken from page 27.] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ah...someone had mentioned this journal, but gave no further information. > But the most bizarre incident is alleged to have happened in the > school year 1983-84 at Oral Roberts [University], according to a > sworn affidavit, dated October 13, 1991, and filed with the Senate > Judiciary Committee, in which Lawrence Shiles, now a lawyer in > Tulsa, recounted the following: > Shortly after the class had begun, Professor Hill gave us a > written assignment which I completed and duly turned in. When > this assignment was passed out to the class after having been > marked by [the] professor, sitting next to me were fellow > students Jeffrey Londoff and Mark Stewart. Upon opening the > assignments and reviewing our grades and comments made by Anita > Hill, I found ten to twelve short black pubic hairs in the pages > of my assignment. I glanced over at Jeff Londoff's assignment > and saw similar pubic hairs in his work. At the time I made the > statement to Londoff that either she had a low opinion of our > work or she had graded our assignment in the bathroom. Mark > Stewart overheard the conversation and said that he had similar > pubic hairs in his assignment also. This became the standing > joke among many students for the remainder of the year in > classes. > Other students in that class confirmed the story. Londoff says > he couldn't be certain that the hairs were pubic, but he said he > thought it was unlikely that they could have come from Hill's head, > since they were short, coarse, and curly, and Hill had had the hair > on her head straightened. Another student who saw the hair, but > did not want to be identified, said of its origins: ""You just know > when you see it."" >Does this satisfy you, Yes, thank you, though I am really curious as to why this never came out (at least not in what I saw, up here in Canada, or on CNN, which is sent up here) during the Thomas nomination hearings. Surely, one would think that her claim to having been sexually harassed, would have a great deal less credibility if it could be shown that she had herself been guilty of it. >or do you regard sworn statements given to a >U.S. Senate committee as equivalent to toilet paper? Ahemmm.... It depends. :-) (For instance, if it were the ""sworn statements"" at the Warren Commission, then yes, I _would_ say that the statements were no better than toilet paper, used at that :-), but in most cases, the answer would be ""no""). --- Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org ""Neil Hull is GOiD"" ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids ""GOiDS Rule"" (416) 322-7876 ""Solve Patriarchy, Install Peterarchy"" - Peter J. Hanus, B.A. (UPEI) * SLMR 2.1a * Scott me up, Beamy. " 7217,1,"From: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle) Subject: PCX Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 27 Hello HELP!!! please I am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming and I am having some problems finding algorithms and code to teach me how to do some stuff.. 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 800x600x256 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? Thanks very much ! send reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet Peace be Blessed be Stephen Palm " 7218,1,"From: full_gl@pts.mot.com (Glen Fullmer) Subject: Needed: Plotting package that does... Nntp-Posting-Host: dolphin Reply-To: glen_fullmer@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group, Motorola, Inc. Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.07. Lines: 27 Looking for a graphics/CAD/or-whatever package on a X-Unix box that will take a file with records like: n a b p where n = a count - integer a = entity a - string b = entity b - string p = type - string and produce a networked graph with nodes represented with boxes or circles and the vertices represented by lines and the width of the line determined by n. There would be a different line type for each type of vertice. The boxes need to be identified with the entity's name. The number of entities < 1000 and vertices < 100000. It would be nice if the tool minimized line cross-overs and did a good job of layout. ;-) I have looked in the FAQ for comp.graphics and gnuplot without success. Any ideas would be appreciated? Thanks, -- Glen Fullmer, glen_fullmer@pts.mot.com, (407)364-3296 ******************************************************************************* * ""For a successful technology, reality must take precedence * * over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."" - Richard P. Feynman * ******************************************************************************* " 7219,17,"From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) Subject: Re: F*CK OFF TSIEL, logic of Mr. Emmanuel Huna Keywords: Conspiracy, Nutcase Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu In article <4806@bimacs.BITNET> huna@bimacs.BITNET (Emmanuel Huna) writes: > > Mr. Steel, from what I've read Tsiel is not a racist, but you >are an anti semitic. And stop shouting, you fanatic, Mr. Emmanuel Huna, Give logic a break will you. Gosh, what kind of intelligence do you have, if any? Tesiel says : Be a man not an arab for once. I say : Fuck of Tsiel (for saying the above). I get tagged as a racist, and he gets praised? Well Mr. logicless, Tsiel has apologized for his racist remark. I praise him for that courage, but I tell Take a hike to whoever calls me a racist without a proof because I am not. You have proven to us that your brain has been malfunctioning and you are just a moron that's loose on the net. About being fanatic: I am proud to be a fanatic about my rights and freedom, you idiot. " 7220,2,"From: elee969@rosie.uh.edu (Brown, William J.) Subject: Re: Questions about Windows NT. Help! Keywords: Windows NT, unix, sun sparc Organization: University of Houston Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr19.154349.10382@cfmu.eurocontrol.be>, rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) writes... >In article shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes: >> ...stuff deleted >> >>1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490? >>2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications >> (such as SAS for unix). >>3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS? >>4. When will Windows NT be released? >>5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more >> info on Win NT? >> >>Thank you. >> >>Minghua Shan > >As far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000 >series of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support >sometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running ""unix applications"". >You would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read >that MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope >this helps. > >Rajiev Gupta > >-- >Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer: >rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views, >Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies. >Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium According to the April issue of PC Magazine (pg. 139), and I quote, ""Eventually, Windows NT is likely to be ported to every successful RISC architecture. PowerPC and HP's PA-RISC are the two most likely candidates, with SPARC somewhat less likely because of Sun's relatively strong UNIX software base."" later bill " 7221,19,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 34 In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >from subjective values, before we go any further. Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All of which is subjective. What is objective, though, is the approach a scientist takes in discussing his model and his observations. There is no objective science. But there is an objective approach which is subjectively selected by the scientist. Objective in this case means a specified, unchanging set of rules that he and his colleagues use to discuss their science. This is in contrast to your Objective Morality. There may be an objective approach to subjectively discuss your beliefs on morality. But there exists no objective morality. Also, science deals with how we can discuss our observations of the physical world around us. In that the method of discussion is objective ( not the science; not the discussion itself ). Science makes no claims to know the whys or even the hows sometimes of what we can observe. It simply gives us a way to discuss our surroundings in a meaningful, consistent way. I think it was Neils Bohr who said (to paraphrase) Science is what we can _say_ about the physical world. -jim halat " 7222,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Re: technology Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 28 mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > ...the computer is not a fantasyland where one's responsibilities > disappear. The people on the net are real; slander and deception carried > out by net are just as wrong as they would be if carried out on paper > or face to face. Well said, Michael! The Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual Works of Mercy: admonish the sinner instruct the ignorant counsel the doubtful comfort the sorrowful bear wrongs patiently forgive all injury pray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy on this and I don't want to argue about it.) These are all things that have a direct application to usenet. People ask questions and express doubts. Some are in need of comfort or prayers. Imagine what would happen to flame wars if we bore wrongs patiently and forgave injuries. I would add that it is probably more appropriate to do any admonishing by private email than publicly. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 7223,2,"From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr24.062055.7123@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: >> >> >>>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >>>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >>>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV >> >>Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >>How do you convert this to a bit map??? > >You're supposed to delete everything above the ""cut here"" mark, and >below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but >*I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line. > >could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong? Sounds like the original poster of the bitmap uuencoded the file on a DOS machine, and you tried to uudecode it on a Un*x machine, and your uudecode program balked at the carraige-returns. " 7224,3,"From: vg@volkmar.Stollmann.DE (Volkmar Grote) Subject: IBM PS/1 vs TEAC FD Distribution: world Organization: Me? Organized? Lines: 21 Hello, I already tried our national news group without success. I tried to replace a friend's original IBM floppy disk in his PS/1-PC with a normal TEAC drive. I already identified the power supply on pins 3 (5V) and 6 (12V), shorted pin 6 (5.25""/3.5"" switch) and inserted pullup resistors (2K2) on pins 8, 26, 28, 30, and 34. The computer doesn't complain about a missing FD, but the FD's light stays on all the time. The drive spins up o.k. when I insert a disk, but I can't access it. The TEAC works fine in a normal PC. Are there any points I missed? Thank you. Volkmar --- Volkmar.Grote@Stollmann.DE " 7225,13,"From: tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 31 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >ted@marvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes: >|> Gary: By ""extra-scientific"" I did not mean to imply that hypothesis >|> generation was not, in most cases extremely closely tied to the >|> state of knowledge within a scientific area. I meant was that there >|> was no ""scientific logic"" involved in the process. It is inductive, >|> not deductive. > >I am further puzzled by the proposed distinction between ""scientific >logic"" and ""inductive logic"". At this point I don't have a clue >what you mean by ""extra-scientific"" -- unless you mean that at *some* >times someone seems to come up with an idea that we can't trace to >prior theories, concepts, knowledge, etc. This is a fairly common >observation, but just for grins I'd like to see some genuine examples. OK, just for grins: - Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail. - Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in his bath. In neither case was there ""no connection to prior theories, concepts, etc."" as you stipulated above. What there was was an intuitive leap beyond the current way of thinking, to develop ideas which subsequently proved to have predictive power (e.g., they stood the test of experimental verification). pardon my kibbutzing... Tom " 7226,1,"From: prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Lines: 18 In ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: >I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). >My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly >infinitely easier to write than to read,... Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Martin Preston, (m.preston@manchester.ac.uk) | Computer Graphics | |Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, | is just | |University of Manchester, | a load of balls. | |Manchester, U.K., M13 9PL Phone : 061 275 6095 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7227,7,"From: reid@ucs.indiana.edu (Frank Reid) Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!! Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: reid.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University In article thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes: > Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after >my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. > > Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? >A replica would be great I think. > > -TKH '93 The VW ""Thing"" Kubelwagen lookalike is still manufactured in Mexico and possibly South America. Good luck importing one-- They probably don't meet US safety and pollution requirements. There are mechanics and junkyards which specialize in VW; they might be helpful for finding a ""Thing"" unless the WWII re-enacters have grabbed them all. The WWII Kubelwagen was the German equivalent of the Jeep, but was not 4- wheel drive. One is on display at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox, Kentucky, also the rare ""Schwimwagen"" (sp?) amphibious version, in full-scale dioramas. Highly recommended! -- Frank reid@ucs.indiana.edu " 7228,0,"Subject: Re: Contradictions From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 49 In article yoder@austin.ibm.com (Stuart R. Yoder) writes: >: >: Then what would it have to do with ""in the universe""? You theists >: cannot understand that inside the universe and outside the universe >: are two different places. Put God outside the universe and you >: subtract from it the ability to interact with the inside of the >: universe, put it inside the universe and you impose the rules of >: physics on it. > >1. God is outside the universe. >2. Things outside the universe do not have 'the ability to interact > with the inside of the universe'. >3. Therefore God cannot interact inside the universe. > >(2) has no basis whatsoever. You seem to have positive knowledge >about this. (2) is a corrallary of (1). The negation of (2) would contridict (1). > >: Although we do not have a complete model of the physical rules >: governing the inside of the universe, we expect that there are no >: contradictory events likely to destroy the fabric of modern physics. >: On the other hand, your notion of an omnipotent, omniscient and >: infinitely benevolent god, is not subject to physical laws: you >: attempt to explain this away by describing it as being outside of >: them, beyond measurement. To me, beyond measurement means it can >: have no measurable effect on reality, so it cannot interact: ergo, >: your god is IRRELEVANT. > >1. God is beyond measure. >2. Beyond measurement means it can have no measurable effect on > reality. >3. Therefore God cannot have a measurable effect on reality. > >(2) has no basis whatsoever. (2) Is a corrallary of (1) The negation of (2) would contradict (1). -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 7229,10,"From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) Subject: Thumbs WAY WAY WAY DOWN to ESPN Keywords: Baseball, goddamn Baseball Nntp-Posting-Host: moet.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs Lines: 12 Tuesday, and the isles/caps game is going into overtime. what does ESPN do..... Tom Mees says, ""we are obligated to bring you baseball"" I hate to say this, but last year the coverage of the playoffs on sports channel america (out in colorado) was vastly superior to what espn is giving us this year. -- charlie shub cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU -or- (719) 593-3492 on leave at the University of Iowa cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739 " 7230,14,"From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: NASA Special Publications for Voyager Mission? Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 12 I have two books, both NASA Special Publications, on the Voyager Missions. One is titled ""Voyages to Jupiter"" the other ""Voyage to Saturn"" These were excellent books put together after the encounters with each planet. The question is: Did NASA ever put together a similar book for either the Uranus encounter or Neptune? If so, what SP number is it and where can it be obtained? If not, why didn't they? -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville " 7231,10,Organization: City University of New York From: Harold Zazula Subject: Octopus in Detroit? Lines: 9 I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? (is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) ------- Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!! Harold Zazula dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu 7232,10,"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) Subject: Kings regular season schedule/results Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) Organization: none Lines: 189 1992-93 Los Angeles Kings Schedule/Results TV: --- 2 preseason games, 82 of 84 regular season and all playoffs on TV. (PT)= Prime Ticket, (5) = KTLA Channel 5, (7) = ABC Channel 7 - playoffs Radio: ------ All regular and preseason games broadcast on the Kings radio network. Southern California XTRA - 690am (flagship) Simi Valley KWNK - 670am Ankorage, Alaska KBYR - 700am El Centro KAMP - 1430am Fairbanks, Alaska KIAK - 970am Hemet/Temecula KHSJ - 1320am Lancaster/Palmdale KAVL - 610am Palm Desert KNWZ - 1270am Paso Robles KPRL - 1230am Reno, Nevada KPLY - 1270am Sacramento KSAC - 1240am San Luis Obispo KKAL - 1280am Santa Clarita KBET - 1220am Las Vegas, Nevada KENO - 1460am Preseason: ---------- September/October: 18 LA 3 vs VAN 3 @ Vancouver - 12,357 (0-0-1, 1 pt) 20 LA 5 vs PIT 2 @ Portland - 6,124 (1-0-1, 3 pts) (PT) 23 LA 3 vs PIT 3 @ Tacoma - ? (1-0-2, 4 pts) 24 LA 2 vs NYR 7 @ San Diego - 8,099 (1-1-2, 4 pts) (PT) 26 LA 2 vs NYR 6 @ Phoenix - 8,977 (1-2-2, 4 pts) 27 LA 4 vs SJ 2 @ Sacramento - 7,950 (2-2-2, 6 pts) 30 LA 2 vs VAN 5 @ The Forum - 10,250 (2-3-2, 6 pts) 03 LA 8 vs SJ 8 @ The Forum - 12,005 (3-3-2, 8 pts) -- -- Total 29 36 Regular Season: --------------- October: 06 LA 5 @ Calgary 4 (OT) - 19,461 ( 1- 0- 0, 2 pts) (PT) 08 LA 3 vs Detroit 5 - 16,005 ( 1- 1- 0, 2 pts) (PT) 10 LA 6 vs Winnipeg 3 - 14,509 ( 2- 1- 0, 4 pts) (PT) 13 LA 2 vs San Jose 1 - 14,320 ( 3- 1- 0, 6 pts) (PT) 15 LA 4 vs Calgary 0 - 15,133 ( 4- 1- 0, 8 pts) (PT) 17 LA 8 vs Boston 6 - 16,005 ( 5- 1- 0, 10 pts) (PT) 20 LA 2 @ Calgary 6 - 19,169 ( 5- 2- 0, 10 pts) (5) 23 LA 2 @ Winnipeg 4 - 12,924 ( 5- 3- 0, 10 pts) (PT) 24 LA 5 @ Minnesota 5 - 15,174 ( 5- 3- 1, 11 pts) (5) 27 LA 4 @ NY Islanders 3 - 10,259 ( 6- 3- 1, 13 pts) (PT) 29 LA 3 @ Boston 8 - 14,448 ( 6- 4- 1, 13 pts) (PT) 31 LA 7 @ Hartford 1 - 9,244 ( 7- 4- 1, 15 pts) (5) -- -- ----------------- Oct. 51 46 7- 4- 1, 15 pts November: 05 LA 5 vs New Jersey 2 - 14,592 ( 8- 4- 1, 17 pts) (PT) 07 LA 5 vs Buffalo 2 - 16,005 ( 9- 4- 1, 19 pts) (PT) 08 LA 11 @ San Jose 4 - 11,089 (10- 4- 1, 21 pts) (no tv) 10 LA 4 @ Winnipeg 4 - 12,831 (10- 4- 2, 22 pts) (PT) 12 LA 7 vs Vancouver 4 - 15,486 (11- 4- 2, 24 pts) (PT) 14 LA 6 vs Edmonton 2 - 16,005 (12- 4- 2, 26 pts) (PT) 16 LA 3 @ Vancouver 6 - 15,896 (12- 5- 2, 26 pts) (PT) 17 LA 0 @ San Jose 6 - 11,089 (12- 6- 2, 26 pts) (PT) 19 LA 4 vs Chicago 1 - 16,005 (13- 6- 2, 28 pts) (PT) 21 LA 6 vs Toronto 4 - 16,005 (14- 6- 2, 30 pts) (PT) 25 LA 3 @ Edmonton 1 - 13,636 (15- 6- 2, 32 pts) (no tv) 27 LA 5 @ Detroit 3 - 19,875 (16- 6- 2, 34 pts) (PT) 28 LA 2 @ Toronto 3 - 15,720 (16- 7- 2, 34 pts) (PT) -- -- ----------------- Nov. 61 42 9- 3- 1, 19 pts Year 112 88 December: 01 LA 6 @ Chicago 3 - 16,292 (17- 7- 2, 36 pts) at Milwaukee (PT) 03 LA 5 vs Pittsburgh 3 - 16,005 (18- 7- 2, 38 pts) (PT) 05 LA 7 vs Hartford 3 - 16,005 (19- 7- 2, 40 pts) (PT) 08 LA 5 vs Montreal 5 - 12,276 (19- 7- 3, 41 pts) at Phoenix (PT) 10 LA 4 vs Quebec 5 - 15,221 (19- 8- 3, 41 pts) (PT) 12 LA 6 vs St Louis 3 - 16,005 (20- 8- 3, 43 pts) (PT) 15 LA 2 vs Tampa Bay 3 - 15,753 (20- 9- 3, 43 pts) (PT) 18 LA 5 @ Edmonton 5 - 15,257 (20- 9- 4, 44 pts) (5) 19 LA 3 @ Calgary 5 - 20,214 (20-10- 4, 44 pts) (PT) 22 LA 2 vs Vancouver 6 - 16,005 (20-11- 4, 44 pts) (PT) 26 LA 2 @ San Jose 7 - 11,089 (20-12- 4, 44 pts) (5) 29 LA 2 vs Philadelphia 10 - 16,005 (20-13- 4, 44 pts) (PT) 31 LA 0 @ Vancouver 4 - 16,150 (20-14- 4, 44 pts) (PT) -- -- ----------------- Dec. 49 62 4- 7- 2, 10 pts Year 161 150 January: 02 LA 5 vs Montreal 5 - 16,005 (20-14- 5, 45 pts) (PT) 06 LA 3 vs Tampa Bay 6 - 16,005 (20-15- 5, 45 pts) (PT) 08 LA 3 @ Winnipeg 6 - 14,036 (20-16- 5, 45 pts) (5) 10 LA 5 @ Chicago 4 - 17,705 (21-16- 5, 47 pts) (5) 12 LA 3 @ Ottawa 2 - 10,500 (22-16- 5, 49 pts) (PT) 14 LA 1 @ New Jersey 7 - 13,586 (22-17- 5, 49 pts) (PT) 16 LA 2 vs Winnipeg 5 - 16,005 (22-18- 5, 49 pts) (PT) 19 LA 5 @ Edmonton 4 - 16,686 (23-18- 5, 51 pts) (PT) 21 LA 4 vs Vancouver 5 - 16,005 (23-19- 5, 51 pts) (PT) 23 LA 3 vs NY Rangers 8 - 16,005 (23-20- 5, 51 pts) (PT) 26 LA 7 vs San Jose 1 - 16,005 (24-20- 5, 53 pts) (PT) 28 LA 1 vs Calgary 2 - 16,005 (24-21- 5, 53 pts) (PT) 30 LA 2 vs Chicago 2 - 16,005 (24-21- 6, 54 pts) (PT) -- -- ----------------- Jan. 44 57 4- 7- 2, 10 pts Year 205 207 February: 02 LA 2 @ Quebec 3 - 14,843 (24-22- 6, 54 pts) (PT) 03 LA 2 @ Montreal 7 - 17,164 (24-23- 6, 54 pts) (PT) 09 LA 3 vs Edmonton 6 - 16,005 (24-24- 6, 54 pts) (PT) 11 LA 6 vs Detroit 6 - 16,005 (24-24- 7, 55 pts) (PT) 13 LA 3 vs Washington 10 - 16,005 (24-25- 7, 55 pts) (PT) 15 LA 3 vs Vancouver 0 - 16,005 (25-25- 7, 57 pts) (PT) 17 LA 10 @ Minnesota 5 - 14,911 (26-25- 7, 59 pts) (PT) 18 LA 2 @ Chicago 7 - 17,597 (26-26- 7, 59 pts) (PT) 20 LA 3 @ Washington 7 - 17,812 (26-27- 7, 59 pts) (PT) 22 LA 5 @ Tampa Bay 2 - 10,425 (27-27- 7, 61 pts) (PT) 25 LA 0 @ St Louis 3 - 13,473 (27-28- 7, 61 pts) (PT) 27 LA 2 vs Toronto 5 - 16,005 (27-29- 7, 61 pts) (PT) -- -- ----------------- Feb. 41 61 3- 8- 1, 7 pts Year 246 268 March: 02 LA 6 vs Calgary 2 - 16,005 (28-29- 7, 63 pts) (PT) 04 LA 8 vs Ottawa 6 - 16,005 (29-29- 7, 65 pts) (PT) 06 LA 6 vs Edmonton 1 - 16,005 (30-29- 7, 67 pts) (PT) 09 LA 3 @ NY Rangers 4 - 18,200 (30-30- 7, 67 pts) (PT) 11 LA 3 @ Pittsburgh 4 - 16,164 (30-31- 7, 67 pts) (PT) 13 @ Philadelphia - Postponed after 1 period (1-1) due to weather. Resch for 4/1 14 @ Buffalo - Postponed due to weather. Rescheduled for 3/15. 15 LA 4 @ Buffalo 2 - 13,799 (31-31- 7, 69 pts) (PT) 16 LA 8 vs Winnipeg 4 - 16,005 (32-31- 7, 71 pts) (PT) 18 LA 7 vs NY Islanders 4 - 16,005 (33-31- 7, 73 pts) (PT) 20 LA 3 vs St Louis 2 - 16,005 (34-31- 7, 75 pts) (PT) 24 LA 2 @ Vancouver 6 - 16,150 (34-32- 7, 75 pts) (5) 26 LA 4 @ Edmonton 1 - 17,503 (35-32- 7, 77 pts) (5) 28 LA 3 @ Winnipeg 3 - 15,566 (35-32- 8, 78 pts) (PT) 29 LA 9 @ Detroit 3 - 19,875 (36-32- 8, 80 pts) (5) 31 LA 5 @ Toronto 5 - 15,720 (36-32- 9, 81 pts) (PT) -- -- ----------------- Mar. 71 47 9- 3- 2, 20 pts Year 317 315 April: 01 LA 3 @ Philadelphia 1 - 17,380 (37-32- 9, 83 pts) (PT) rescheduled 03 LA 0 vs Minnesota 3 - 16,005 (37-33- 9, 83 pts) (PT) 06 LA 3 vs Calgary 3 - 16,005 (37-33-10, 84 pts) (PT) 08 LA 2 vs San Jose 1 - 16,005 (38-33-10, 86 pts) (PT) 10 LA 3 @ San Jose 2 (OT) - 11,089 (39-33-10, 88 pts) (PT) 13 LA 4 @ Vancouver 7 - 16,150 (39-34-10, 88 pts) (PT) 15 LA 6 vs Vancouver 8 - 16,005 (39-35-10, 88 pts) (PT) -- -- ----------------- Apr. 21 25 3- 3- 1, 7 pts Year 338 340 39-35-10, 88 pts - 3rd Smythe, 11th overall Playoffs: --------- April: 18 @ Calgary - 12:00 noon (7) 21 @ Calgary - 6:30 pm (PT) 23 vs Calgary - 7:30 pm (PT) 25 vs Calgary - 12:00 noon (7)** *27 @ Calgary - 6:30 pm (PT) *29 vs Calgary - 7:30 pm (PT) May: *01 @ Calgary - 6:30 pm (PT) all times listed are Pacific Time. *if necessary. ** may be shown on ABC, if televised by Prime Ticket, time is 7:30 pm. =============================================================================== Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) net contact: L.A. Kings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< =============================================================================== " 7233,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Lines: 22 : From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) : Assume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes. They : probably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous : at handing it out. It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers : and Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to : reverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and : effective). If the administration *really* believes big-time drug dealers are the threat (personally I thought it was the CIA and the air force that did all the real drug shipping :-) ) then they *ought* to take this seriously: unlike the KGB, drug dealers can make a most convincing argument for cooperation: ""help us and we'll be nice and give you some money, don't help us and we'll start cutting off your favourite body parts"" After all, it was probably an argument like that that persuaded Jack Ruby to shoot Oswald in full view of the police. Life in jail probably seems much more preferable to most people than several weeks of something nasty followed by no life at all... G " 7234,6,"From: Mike Diack Subject: NuBus NTSC Genlock card f/sale X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:54:45 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-97.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 5 ""Computer Friends"" nubus card - good for doing graphics overlays on your videos etc. $275 with apple 8 bit vid card, $225 without. Wont sell vid card separately. UPS (U pay shipping). cheers Mike. " 7235,3,"From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! When posting Winmark results, it is a good idea to give the version of WinBench that you used to obtain the scores, as well as the resolution that you tested and the version of the drivers. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu " 7236,6,"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Books for sale!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 28 SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!! * Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. * The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. * Algebra & Trigonometry, A problem Solving Approach, 3rd edition by W. Flemming and D. Varberg. Very good condition. * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! Very good condition! * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu Sam 02106@chopin.udel.edu " 7237,1,"From: eric.vitiello@tfd.coplex.com (Eric Vitiello) Subject: .GIF to .BMP Reply-To: eric.vitiello@tfd.coplex.com (Eric Vitiello) Organization: Ky/In PC User's Group - Louisville, KY - 502-423-8654 Lines: 15 TO: saz@hook.corp.mot.com SZ>Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files SZ>and if so, where can I ftp it from? Any help would be greatly SZ>appreciated. Sure... A GREAT shareware program is Graphic Workshop (the newest version is 6.1). Although I don't know where you can ftp it from. It also converts to about 15 other formats, and does MANY other things. ....r.c V.t.ell. .r... --- . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #959sa . My Address: eric.vitiello@tfd.coplex.com " 7238,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 44 Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled: : In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: : >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him? : Of course! We riders have to stick together, you know...Besides, : he'd stop for me. : Satan, by the way, rides a Vincent. So does God. : Jesus rides an RZ350, the Angels get Ariels, and the demons : all ride Matchless 500s. : I know, because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth. : Regards, Charles : DoD0.001 : RZ350 : -- : Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of : separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, : struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing : gourd. --Unknown net.person I think that the Vincent is the wrong sort of bike for Satan to ride. Honda have just brought out the CB1000 (look in BIKE Magazine) which looks so evil that Satan would not hesitate to ride it. 17-hole DMs, Levi 501s and a black bomber jacket. I'm not sure about the helmet, oh, I know, one of those Darth Vader ones. There you go. Satan. Anybody seen him lately? Just a cruisin'? God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection. He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves. -- Nick (the Righteous Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford New (non-leaky) gearbox M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 (- " 7239,7,"From: jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 41 In article <1ppg8b$fvq@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes: >>In article <1phoi3$s95@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) >>writes: >>[stuff deleted...] >>> >>>The silly thing about this whole argument is that most of the trunk >>>releases (I'm tempted to say all, but there's bound to be a >>>counterexample) only operate if the car is on (ACC or running). Thus >>>you can't easily pop the trunk without starting the car. > >>""Most"" cars? The only cars I've ever seen with this ""feature"" have been >>GM cars. My `88 Mazda, '80 Honda, and (coming soon) '93 Probe all have >>cable-operated releases [...]. My '84 >>Camaro had an electric hatch release that was (thankfully) independent of >>the key in the ignition (the exception to the rule mentioned in my first >>sentence). > >I should probably have said ""glovebox trunk releases."" I haven't >encountered any glovebox releases that are cable operated. Numerous >GM and several Ford/Mercury cars that I've encountered have electrical >releases in the glovebox, and all of the ones I've seen needed the >ignition on to some degree to operate. Your Camaro example is noted, >but since it's a hardtop it's not a big deal. I've never run into a >convertible with a cable-operated trunk release -- I'd agree 100% that >in such an environment a cable or always-active electrical release >would be rather stupid. > >jim frost >jimf@centerline.com My Honda has a cable release that can be locked out with the ignition key. The valet key can be left with someone and will NOT unlock the trunk or enable the cable release. I remember my mothers '86 Corvette that had an electronic hatch release located on the drivers door, which was ALWAYS active. The fact that the car had no real trunk makes the security measure of beign able to dis-able the hatch release unnecessary. " 7240,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 In article cal2d@csissun11.ee.Virginia.EDU (Craig Allen Lorie) writes: >According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite >the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the >Penguins. This is because the Islanders have won the season series against >the Devils. I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include: > >1. season series >2. goals against >3. goals for > >in this order (correct me if I'm wrong). Anyone have anything to add? > I thought it was 1) wins 2) goals for. Gerald " 7241,15,"From: andrew@srsune.shlrc.mq.edu.au (Andrew McVeigh) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: SHLRC, Macquarie University Lines: 74 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: > We also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been > wrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were > following Christ. From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict > obedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have > ""justly"" > punished the Jews for the killing Christ (as well as the other progroms), the > innocent women who were burned alive in accordance with ""you shall not allow a > witch to live"", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing > men destroyed by the inquistion. The religious wars in Spain, France, England, > etc. Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss > of life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the > instructions therein, was unquestionable. There is much to grieve. > > randy Very interesting, but I also believe that you have presented a misleading argument. Christianity is not the cause of the massacres and horrific injustices that you relate, rather they are the fault of people who misunderstand Jesus Christ's message, and modify it to suit their own beliefs and aims, rather than alter their ambitions to be more in line with those presented as desirable in the New Testament. With every truthful and good message that carries authority or implied authority, comes the inevitable fact that some (many?) people will understand it in a distorted way, with inevitable consequences. The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and that all people are redeemable. It preaches a message of repentance, and of giving. Unfortunately, all people have deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways. This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine. One of the problems is that you look at the world through the eyes of Western history. I think that you will find many, many cases of massacres that were instigated by people who never claimed they were Christian. I am not saying this to justify the massacres that were, but I am merely pointing you to a tendency which is present in humans already. Consider the world without Christianity. I doubt that we would have the same freedoms in the countries in which we live, if it wasn't for the peaceful doctrines of Jesus Christ. Perhaps we would even be confronted by a very harsh religion (I won't name any here, though one comes to mind) which would not even allow us the freedom of speech to debate such subjects. Point the blame at inherent human tendencies of thirst for power, greed and hatred. Please don't point the blame at a message which preaches fundamental giving and denial, in love for others. Yours in Christ, Andrew McVeigh p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian. Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour of the world, and especially Christians. I praise God for Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time again. -- ***** Andrew McVeigh " 7242,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 54 >>""We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the >>life of the world to come."" - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. >I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the >resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean >the raising of the physical body. I have some questions on this point: The next time you go to church, you can check the better creed, that is, the Apostles' Creed. It says: ""the resurrection of the body."" Should have learned that on the first go around. But what's a body without a little bit a'soul? >1. I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was >pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right >now. Where will my ""soul"" >(which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time? At the risk of offending everybody, I will interject the 13th century point of view. Christ descended immediately into the bosom of Abraham to set captives captive. He preached to the saved for three days before drawing them with Him back to this earth. I'm no expert on this part, but Matthew (27:52-53) says about the death of Jesus: ""tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And coming forth from the tombs after his resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many."" (NAB) Regarding the hell of the damned, of which you speak, Christ did not see it (Ps 16:10, Acts 2:27), although it saw Him (cf. Is 45:2). Concerning the abodes of the dead, I don't want to subject my brethren to further anguish, so I will direct you to contact me through e-mail if you are genuinely concerned. >2. Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms >that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch? Your new body might be something like Adam's before his fateful encounter with the Just One (Acts 7:52, CR trans. Vulgate): filled with infused knowledge, absent of concupiscence, and immortal. It would probably be a little glorified, too. >3. Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical >place to exist in -- where is this hell? In the center of the earth? >Do you think we could find it if we dig? I wouldn't recommend it. It's really hot down at the center of the earth! You know, the normal geothermal gradient, and all that. Regards. -- boundary, the catechist no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) " 7243,7,"From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) Subject: Re: Importing Volvo? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 9 There was an article in Business week not more the 4 weeks ago on this very subject. IN fact the Volvo 850 was one of the cars they laid out an example for. -- Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be. " 7244,9,"From: as16@quads.uchicago.edu (adam shah) Subject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back? Reply-To: as16@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) writes: >When are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez? His 15 days on >the DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? > >Thanks for any info. > > The Chicago Tribune pitching form has Perez pitching today (4/16). But given the way that Buck changes his rotation so often, that could just be the work of a confused stat-page editor. -- adam (as16@midway.uchicago.edu) aka mercutio... obligatory go yankees for baseball season... 5338 S Woodlawn Ave Apt 2/Chicago, IL 60615/(312) 667-3586 " 7245,14,"From: robink@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Robin Kenny) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 26 David Fuzzy Wells (wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: : I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a : really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a : Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. : Whooooooooshhhhhh...... : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just a thought... (let's pretend it IS INFLATED and PRESSURIZED) wouldn't there be a large static electricity build up around the puncture? If the metalization is behind a clear sandwich (ie. insulated) then the deflating balloon would generate electrical interference - ""noise"" By the way, any serious high velocity impact would simply cut a ""Bugs Bunny"" hole through the wall, highly unlikely to ""BOOM"", and the fabric would almost certainly be ripstop. Regards, Robin Kenny - a private and personal opinion, not in any way endorsed, authorised or known by my employers. ______________________________________________________________________ What the heck would I know about Space? I'm stuck at the bottom of this huge gravity well! " 7246,8,"From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan) Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance Nntp-Posting-Host: pcdehp Organization: Calvin College Lines: 24 >-- >H. Marc Lewis | ""There are two kinds of people in the world -- >Olivetti North America | those who divide everything in the world into >marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I thought it was: ""There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who think there are two kinds of people and those who don't."" And then there's: ""There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who like math and those who don't."" Obmoto: Michigan weather forecast for Saturday: high in the low 40s, chance of snow flurries, showers possible. Enjoy the weather where you are. Have a ride on me. Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes. That is my 1974 Honda CL360. ============================================================================= ""That's the nature of being an executive in America. You have to rely on other people to do something you used to do yourself."" -- Donald Fehr, executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association. ============================================================================= " 7247,17,"From: mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi) Subject: Re: No humanity in Bosnia Organization: Univ. Western Ontario, London Ont. CA Keywords: Barbarism Nntp-Posting-Host: cad8.gfx.engga.uwo.ca Lines: 11 It is very encouraging that a number of people took so interest in my posting.I recieved a couple of letters too,some has debated the statement that events in Bosnia are unprecedented in the history of the modern world.Those who contest this statement present the figures of the World War II.However we must keep in mind that it was a World War and no country had the POWER to stop it,today is the matter not of the POWER but of the WILL.It seems to be that what we lack is the will. Second point of difference (which makes it different from the holocast(sp?) ) is that at that time international community didnot have enough muscle to prevent the unfortunate event, today inspite of all the might,the international community is not just standing neutral but has placed an arms embargo which is to the obvious disadvantage of the weeker side and therefore to the advantage of the bully.Hence indirecltly and possibly unintentionally, mankind has sided with the killers.And this,I think is unprecedented in the history of the modern world. M.Rizvi " 7248,7,"From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.195710.24227 Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil Distribution: na Organization: Grumman Data Systems Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19510]: invader.navo.navy.mil In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: |> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: |> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: |> >> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR |> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service |> >> 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" |> > |> >And my number 1: |> > |> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". |> |> Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the |> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. Hey, I'm a ""Macho Real Man"" and I DO read it. So I can criticize it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They accept no outside advertising, don't you know....) |> John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ |> ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ |> something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ |> wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture. Kenneth finnegan@navo.navy.mil " 7249,9,"From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) Subject: Re: Do people want stats? Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 In article <10010717@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele) wri tes: > This is a ""Top 10"" posting for the AL. > > HOME RUNS HITS > Batter Team HRs Batter Team HITS > Gonzalez Tex 5 Baerga Cle 13 > Palmer Tex 4 Phillips Det 13 Did anyone think that Texas would have the top two home run leaders at a given point in the season and neither one would be Jose Canseco? Steve [] -- Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) ""I personally despair of results from anything but violent and ruthless truth-telling -- that will work in the end, even if slowly"" -- John Maynard Keynes, 1919 " 7250,9,"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) Subject: Re: HBP? BB? BIG-CAT? Distribution: na Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: mbongo.ucsd.edu In article , kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes: I don't |> blame players like Galarraga, Dawson and McGee when they swing at |> a strike and put the ball in play. Well, no problem! But I get pretty annoyed when they swing at non-strikes and make outs. Especially ball four on the 3-2 counts... Dave -- Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029 " 7251,13,"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN610 Medical News Part 3/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 708 ------------- cut here ----------------- University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona Suggested Reading Tan SL, Royston P, Campbell S, Jacobs HS, Betts J, Mason B, Edwards RG (1992). Cumulative conception and Livebirth rates after in-vitro fertilization. Lancet 339:1390-1394. For further information, call: Physicians' Resource Line 1-800-328-5868 in Tucson: 694-5868 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 28 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Articles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LOW LEVELS OF AIRBORNE PARTICLES LINKED TO SERIOUS ASTHMA ATTACKS American Lung Association A new study published by the American Lung Association has shown that surprisingly low concentrations of airborne particles can send people with asthma rushing to emergency rooms for treatment. The Seattle-based study showed that roughly one in eight emergency visits for asthma in that city was linked to exposure to particulate air pollution. The actual exposure levels recorded in the study were far below those deemed unsafe under federal air quality laws. ""People with asthma have inflamed airways, and airborne particles tend to exacerbate that inflammation,"" said Joel Schwartz, Ph.D., of the Environmental Protection Agency, who was the lead author of the study. ""When people are on the threshold of having, a serious asthma attack, particles can push them over the edge."" The Seattle Study correlated 13 months of asthma emergency room visits with daily levels of PM,,,. or particulate matter with an aerodynamic diameter of 10 microns or less. These finer particles are considered hazardous because they are small enough penetrate into the lung. Cities are considered out of compliance with clean air laws if the 24-hour average concentration of PM10 exceeds 150 micrograms per cubic millimeter of air. In Seattle however, a link between fine particles and asthma was found at levels as low as 30 micrograms. The authors concluded that for every 30 microgram increase in the four-day average of PM10, the odds of someone with asthma needing emergency treatment increased by 12 percent. The findings were published in the April American Review of Respiratory Disease, an official journal of the American Thoracic Society, the Lung Association's medical section. The study is the latest in a series of recent reports to suggest that particulate matter is a greatly under appreciated health threat. A 1992 study by Dr. Schwartz and Douglas Dockery, Ph.D., of Harvard found that particles may be causing roughly 60,000 premature deaths each year in the United States. Other studies have linked particulate matter to increased respiratory symptoms and bronchitis in children. ""Government officials and the media are still very focused on ozone,"" says Dr. Schwartz. ""But more and more research is showing that particles are bad actors as well."" One problem in setting, standards for particulate air pollution is that PMIO is difficult to study. Unlike other regulated pollutants such as ozone and carbon monoxide, particulate matter is a complex and varying mixture of substances, including carbon, hydrocarbons, dust, and HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 29 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 acid aerosols. ""Researchers can't Put people in exposure chambers to study the effects of particulate air pollution,"" says Dr. Schwartz. ""We have no way of duplicating the typical urban mix of particles. "" Consequently, most of what is known about particulates has been learned through population-based research like the Seattle study. Given that the EPA's current priority is to review the ozone and sulfur dioxide standards, the agency is unlikely to reexamine the PM10 standard any time soon. Until changes are made, there appears to be little people with asthma can do to protect themselves from airborne particles. ""In some areas, you can get reports on air quality, but the reports only cover the pollutant that is closest to violating its standard, and that's rarely particulate matter,"" says Dr. Schwartz. ""However, PM10 doesn't have to be near its violation range to be unhealthy."" HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 30 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma The National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference on Diagnosis and Treatment of Early Melanoma brought together experts in dermatology, pathology, epidemiology, public education, surveillance techniques, and potential new technologies as well as other health care professionals and the public to address (1) the clinical and histological characteristics of early melanoma; (2) the appropriate diagnosis, management, and followup of patients with early melanoma; (3) the role of dysplastic nevi and their significance; and (4) the role of education and screening in preventing melanoma morbidity and mortality. Following 2 days of presentations by experts and discussion by the audience, a consensus panel weighed the scientific evidence and prepared their consensus statement. Among their findings, the panel recommended that (1) melanoma in situ is a distinct entity effectively treated surgically with 0.5 centimeter margins; (2) thin invasive melanoma, less than 1 millimeter thick, has the potential for long-term survival in more than 90 percent of patients after surgical excision with a 1 centimeter margin; (3) elective lymph node dissections and extensive staging evaluations are not recommended in early melanoma; (4) patients with early melanoma are at low risk for relapse but may be at high risk for development of subsequent melanomas and should be followed closely; (5) some family members of patients with melanoma are at increased risk for melanoma and should be enrolled in surveillance programs; and (6) education and screening programs have the potential to decrease morbidity and mortality from melanoma. A copy of the full text of the consensus panel's statement is available by calling the NIH Office of Medical Applications of Research at (301) 496-1143 or by writing to: Office of Medical Applications of Research, National Institutes of Health, Federal Building, Room 618, Bethesda, MD 20892. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 31 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers The Cancer Centers Program is comprised of 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers actively engaged in multidisciplinary research efforts to reduce cancer incidence, morbidity, and mortality. Within the program, there are four types of cancer centers: basic science cancer centers (14), which engage primarily in basic cancer research; clinical cancer centers (12), which focus on clinical research; ""comprehensive"" cancer centers (28), which emphasize a multidisciplinary approach to cancer research, patient care, and community outreach; and consortium cancer centers (1), which specialize in cancer prevention and control research. Although some cancer centers existed in the late 1960s and the 1970s, it was the National Cancer Act of 1971 that authorized the establishment of 15 new cancer centers, as well as continuing support for existing ones. The passage of the act also dramatically transformed the centers' structure and broadened the scope of their mission to include all aspects of basic, clinical, and cancer control research. Over the next two decades, the centers' program grew progressively. In 1990, there were 19 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation. Today, there are 28 of these institutions, all of which meet specific NCI criteria for comprehensive status. To attain recognition from the NCI as a comprehensive cancer center, an institution must pass rigorous peer review. Under guidelines newly established in 1990, the eight criteria for ""comprehensiveness"" include the requirement that a center have a strong core of basic laboratory research in several scientific fields, such as biology and molecular genetics, a strong program of clinical research, and an ability to transfer research findings into clinical practice. Moreover, five of the criteria for comprehensive status go significantly beyond that required for attaining a Cancer Center Support Grant (also referred to as a P30 or core grant), the mechanism of choice for supporting the infrastructure of a cancer center's operations. These criteria encompass strong participation in NCI-designated high-priority clinical trials, significant levels of cancer prevention and control research, and important outreach and educational activities--all of which are funded by a variety of sources. The other types of cancer centers also have special characteristics and capabilities for organizing new programs of research that can exploit important new findings or address timely research questions. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 32 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Of the 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers, 14 are of the basic science type. These centers engage almost entirely in basic research, although some centers engage in collaborative research with outside clinical research investigators and in cooperative projects with industry to generate medical applications from new discoveries in the laboratory. Clinical cancer centers, in contrast, focus on both basic research and clinical research within the same institutional framework, and frequently incorporate nearby affiliated clinical research institutions into their overall research programs. There are 12 such centers today. Finally, consortium cancer centers, of which there is one, are uniquely structured and concentrate on clinical research and cancer prevention and control research. These centers interface with state and local public health departments for the purpose of achieving the transfer of effective prevention and control techniques from their research findings to those institutions responsible for implementing population-wide public health programs. Consortium centers also are heavily engaged in collaborations with institutions that conduct clinical trial research and coordinate community hospitals within a network of cooperating institutions in clinical trials. Together, the 55 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers continue to work toward creating new and innovative approaches to cancer research, and through interdisciplinary efforts, to effectively move this research from the laboratory into clinical trials and into clinical practice. Comprehensive Cancer Centers (Internet addresses are given where available) University of Alabama at Birmingham Comprehensive Cancer Center Basic Health Sciences Building, Room 108 1918 University Boulevard Birmingham, Alabama 35294 (205) 934-6612 University of Arizona Cancer Center 1501 North Campbell Avenue Tucson, Arizona 85724 (602) 626-6372 Internet: syd@azcc.arizona.edu Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center University of California at Los Angeles 200 Medical Plaza Los Angeles, California 90027 (213) 206-0278 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 33 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Internet: rick@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu Kenneth T. Norris Jr. Comprehensive Cancer Center University of Southern California 1441 Eastlake Avenue Los Angeles, California 90033-0804 (213) 226-2370 Yale University Comprehensive Cancer Center 333 Cedar Street New Haven, Connecticut 06510 (203) 785-6338 Lombardi Cancer Research Center Georgetown University Medical Center 3800 Reservoir Road, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 (202) 687-2192 Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center University of Miami Medical School 1475 Northwest 12th Avenue Miami, Florida 33136 (305) 548-4800 Internet: hlam@mednet.med.miami.edu Johns Hopkins Oncology Center 600 North Wolfe Street Baltimore, Maryland 21205 (410) 955-8638 Dana-Farber Cancer Institute 44 Binney Street Boston, Massachusetts 02115 (617) 732-3214 Internet: Kristie_Stevenson@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu Meyer L. Prentis Comprehensive Cancer Center of Metropolitan Detroit 110 East Warren Avenue Detroit, Michigan 48201 (313) 745-4329 Internet: cummings%oncvx1.dnet@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu University of Michigan Cancer Center HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 34 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 101 Simpson Drive Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-0752 (313) 936-9583 BITNET: kallie.bila.michels@um.cc.umich.edu Mayo Comprehensive Cancer Center 200 First Street Southwest Rochester, Minnesota 55905 (507) 284-3413 Norris Cotton Cancer Center Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center One Medical Center Drive Lebanon, New Hampshire 03756 (603) 646-5505 BITNET: edward.bresnick@dartmouth.edu Roswell Park Cancer Institute Elm and Carlton Streets Buffalo, New York 14263 (716) 845-4400 Columbia University Comprehensive Cancer Center College of Physicians and Surgeons 630 West 168th Street New York, New York 10032 (212) 305-6905 Internet: janie@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center 1275 York Avenue New York, New York 10021 (800) 525-2225 Kaplan Cancer Center New York University Medical Center 462 First Avenue New York, New York 10016-9103 (212) 263-6485 UNC Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center University of North Carolina School of Medicine Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27599 (919) 966-4431 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 35 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center P.O. Box 3814 Durham, North Carolina 27710 (919) 286-5515 Cancer Center of Wake Forest University at the Bowman Gray School of Medicine 300 South Hawthorne Road Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27103 (919) 748-4354 Internet: ccwfumail@phs.bgsm.wfu.edu Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center 300 West 10th Avenue Columbus, Ohio 43210 (614) 293-5485 Internet: dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fox Chase Cancer Center 7701 Burholme Avenue Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19111 (215) 728-2570 Internet: s_davis@fccc.edu University of Pennsylvania Cancer Center 3400 Spruce Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104 (215) 662-6364 Pittsburgh Cancer Institute 200 Meyran Avenue Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213-2592 (800) 537-4063 The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center 1515 Holcombe Boulevard Houston, Texas 77030 (713) 792-3245 Vermont Cancer Center University of Vermont 1 South Prospect Street Burlington, Vermont 05401 (802) 656-4580 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 36 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center 1124 Columbia Street Seattle, Washington 98104 (206) 667-4675 Internet: sedmonds@cclink.fhcrc.org University of Wisconsin Comprehensive Cancer Center 600 Highland Avenue Madison, Wisconsin 53792 (608) 263-8600 BITNET: carbone@uwccc.biostat.wisc.edu Clinical Cancer Centers University of California at San Diego Cancer Center 225 Dickinson Street San Diego, California 92103 (619) 543-6178 Internet: dedavis@ucsd.edu City of Hope National Medical Center Beckman Research Institute 1500 East Duarte Road Duarte, California 91010 (818) 359-8111 ext. 2292 University of Colorado Cancer Center 4200 East 9th Avenue, Box B188 Denver, Colorado 80262 (303) 270-7235 University of Chicago Cancer Research Center 5841 South Maryland Avenue, Box 444 Chicago, Illinois 60637 (312) 702-6180 Internet: judith@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Avenue Bronx, New York 10461 (212) 920-4826 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 37 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 University of Rochester Cancer Center 601 Elmwood Avenue, Box 704 Rochester, New York 14642 (716) 275-4911 Internet: rickb@wotan.medicine.rochester.edu Ireland Cancer Center Case Western Reserve University University Hospitals of Cleveland 2074 Abington Road Cleveland, Ohio 44106 (216) 844-5432 Roger Williams Cancer Center Brown University 825 Chalkstone Avenue Providence, Rhode Island 02908 (401) 456-2071 St. Jude Children's Research Hospital 332 North Lauderdale Street Memphis, Tennessee 38101-0318 (901) 522-0306 Internet: meyer@mbcf.stjude.org Institute for Cancer Research and Care 4450 Medical Drive San Antonio, Texas 78229 (512) 616-5580 Utah Regional Cancer Center University of Utah Health Sciences Center 50 North Medical Drive, Room 2C110 Salt Lake City, Utah 84132 (801) 581-4048 BITNET: hogan@cc.utah.edu Massey Cancer Center Medical College of Virginia Virginia Commonwealth University 1200 East Broad Street Richmond, Virginia 23298 (804) 786-9641 Consortia HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 38 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Drew-Meharry-Morehouse Consortium Cancer Center 1005 D.B. Todd Boulevard Nashville, Tennessee 37208 (615) 327-6927 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 39 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: General Announcments :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: THE UCI MEDICAL EDUCATION SOFTWARE REPOSITORY This is to announce the establishment of an FTP site at the University of California, for the collection of shareware, public-domain software and other information relating to Medical Education. Specifically, we are interested in establishing this site as a clearinghouse for personally developed software that has been developed for local medical education programs. We welcome all contributions that may be shared with other users. To connect to the UCI Medical Education Software Repository, ftp to: FTP.UCI.EDU The Repository currently offers both MSDOS and Macintosh software, and we hope to support other operating systems (UNIX, MUMPS, AMIGA?). Uploads are welcome. We actively solicit information and software which you have personaly developed or have found useful in your local medical education efforts, either as an instructor or student. Once you have connected to the site via FTP, cd (change directory) to either the med-ed/mac/incoming or the med-ed/msdos/incoming directories, change the mode to binary and ""send"" or ""put"" your files. Note that you won't be able to see the files with the ""ls"" or ""dir"" commands. Please compress your files as appropriate to the operating system (ZIP for MSDOS; Compactor or something similar for Macintosh) to save disk space. After uploading, please send email to Steve Clancy (slclancy@uci.edu) (for MSDOS) or Albert Saisho (saisho@uci.edu) (for MAC) describing the file(s) you have uploaded and any other information we might need to describe it. Note that we can only accept software or information that has been designated as shareware, public-domain or that may otherwise be distributed freely. Please do not upload commercial software! Doing so may jeopardize the existence of this FTP site. If you wish to upload software for other operating systems, please contact either Steve Clancy, M.L.S. or Albert Saisho, M.D. at the addresses above. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 40 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: AIDS News Summaries :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: AIDS Daily Summary The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National AIDS Clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service only. Providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the CDC, the CDC Clearinghouse, or any other organization. Reproduction of this text is encouraged; however, copies may not be sold. Copyright 1993, Information, Inc., Bethesda, MD ================================================================== April 12, 1993 ================================================================== ""NIH Set to Test Multiple AIDS Vaccines"" Reuters (04/08/93) (Frank, Jacqueline) Washington--The Clinton administration will permit the National Institutes of Health to test multiple AIDS vaccines instead of only allowing the Army to test a single vaccine, administration sources said Thursday. The decision ends the controversy between Army AIDS researchers who had hoped to test a vaccine made by MicroGeneSys Inc. and the National Institutes of Health, which contended that multiple vaccines should be tested. Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala said a final announcement on the therapeutic vaccine trials was expected to be made last Friday. Companies including Genentech Inc., Chiron Corp., and Immuno AG have already told NIH that they are prepared to participate in the vaccine tests. The testing is intended to demonstrate whether AIDS vaccines are effective in thwarting the replication of HIV in patients already infected. Shalala refuted last week's reports that the Clinton administration had decided the Army's test of the MicroGeneSys VaxSyn should proceed without tests of others at the same time. ""The report was inaccurate, and I expect there to be some announcement in the next 24 hours about that particular AIDS research project,"" said Shalala. Administration sources subsequently confirmed that NIH director Dr. Bernadine Healy and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler had convinced the White House that multiple vaccines should be tested simultaneously. But MicroGeneSys president Frank Volvovitz said a test of multiple vaccines could triple the cost of the trial and delay it by two years. ================================================================== HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 41 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 ""The Limits of AZT's Impact on HIV"" U.S. News & World Report (04/12/93) Vol. 114, No. 14, P. 18 AZT has become the most widely used drug to fight AIDS since it was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1987. Burroughs Wellcome, the manufacturer of AZT, made $338 million last year alone from sales of the drug. However, a team of European researchers recently reported that although HIV-positive patients taking AZT demonstrated a slightly lower risk of developing AIDS within the first year of treatment, that benefit disappeared two years later. The Lancet published preliminary findings of the three-year study, which could give more reason for critics to argue the drug's cost, side effects, and general efficacy. Even though U.S. researchers concede the study was more comprehensive than American trials, many argue the European researchers' suggestion that HIV-positive patients experience little improvement in their illness before the development of AIDS symptoms. In addition, researchers have long been familiar with the --------- end of part 3 ------------ --- Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na " 7252,1,"From: camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) Subject: Re: alt.raytrace (potential group) Organization: Temple University Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Yes, please create the group alt.raytrace soon!! I'm hooked on pov. geez. like I don't have anything better to do.... OH!! dave letterman is on... " 7253,6,"From: forbes@sequent.com (Ellen E. Forbes) Subject: Novice Beekeeper Seeks Tools of Trade Summary: Looking for beekeeping garb Keywords: bzz ... bzz ... bzz ... ouch! Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr6.200009.15076 Distribution: usa Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: crg1.sequent.com If you'd like to find a home for that beekeeping equipment you'll never use again, here's a likely victim, uh, customer. To make a deal, call: Laura Forbes (503)275-4483 during regular business hours, or, respond to me through e-mail and I'll pass your message along. " 7254,13,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Is subjective judgement more reliable than statistics? Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 76 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: > ... >*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does* >imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are >incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and >which are not.) To start with, no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible. So there's a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context. Insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible. (Expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this.) On the other hand, with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false. There is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying ""You people call THIS science?"" (My opinion, for what it's worth, is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology.) Some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation. I don't believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science. My second point, though, is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards. I think this is true of many scientists and I think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific. Within mathematics, I think there are several examples, especially before the twentieth century. One conspicuous case is that of Riemann, who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove. (Later mathematicians did prove them, of course.) I think that for a good scientist, empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and what's not as it is a matter of convincing other people. (People have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here, but I think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of one's results is an essential element. Not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process, but I think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science.) When a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it, I think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation. In article I wrote: > Namely, is there really justification for the belief that > science is a superior path to truth than non-scientific approaches? Admittedly, my question was not at all well posed. A considerable amount of effort in a ""serious scholarly investigation"" such as I suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer. The ""science"" I was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century. I certainly wasn't thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of ""reason and observation."" One thing I had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies. Since Russell Turpin seems to be much more familiar than I am with the study of scientific methodology, perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet " 7255,4,"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) Subject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 13 In article wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes: > I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS > do I > need to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take > out the current VRAM before I add more? You need to add two 256K VRAM SIMMs; 512K VRAM SIMMs will not work in any of the Quadra or Centris machines. There is already 512K of VRAM soldered to the logic board. You add the two 256K SIMMs to this to give you a total of 1 MB. - Dale Adams " 7256,3,"From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice) Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility Lines: 672 Organization: University of North Texas Thanks to all who responded to my original post. I got the number for Western Digital tech support and determined that I need to upgrade the BIOS to the Super BIOS. It will handle hard drives with up to 16 read/ write heads and up to 1024 cylinders. The upgrade is $15, payable by check or money order. Send to: Western Digital Corporation Technical Support Group P.O. Box 19665 Irvine, CA 92713-9665 The Super BIOS is for any WD XT hard drive controller card in the WD1002 series. The BIOS on my system would only handle up to 20mb drives. The responses to my request for help follow my .sig. Warning: It's long. Keith -- _____________________________ __-----____--___--__-----____ D. Keith Rice __--__--___--__--___--__--___ University of North Texas __--___--__--_--____--___--__ Department of Computer Science __--___--__----_____--__--___ Denton, Texas, USA __--___--__--_--____--_--____ __--__--___--__--___--__--___ drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu __-----____--___--__--___--__ drice@cs.unt.edu _____________________________ <========================== responses below ==========================> From ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Apr 3 16:45:03 1993 Received: from mailbox.syr.EDU by ponder (5.61/1.36) id AA15218; Sat, 3 Apr 93 16:45:00 -0600 From: ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu (Bob Valentine) Received: from mothra.syr.EDU by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA16647; Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:44:49 EST Received: by mothra.syr.EDU (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA03607; Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:43:27 EST Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:43:27 EST Message-Id: <9304032243.AA03607@mothra.syr.EDU> To: drice@ponder Status: OR To: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware In-Reply-To: Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY Cc: In article you write: >I recently bought a used Seagate ST-251 hard drive. The guy told me that >it had been fully tested and that it was good. I took it home to install >in my Compaq Portable (OK, I'm a little behind in technology). I already >had an MFM controller. > >I installed the drive and powered up the system. I got a post error, ""1701"". > >My controller is a Western Digital WD1002S-WX2 Rev. C. >As I said above, the drive is a Seagate ST-251. >The system is a Compaq Portable (circa 1985). Ah, finally a question I can answer. I mess with this older stuff alot. Kinda fun. 8) First problem I can forsee is that the ST-251 will not be compadible with that WD card unless it has the right bios rom. Check the numbers on it. It should be the only non-smt chip on the board. Slightly below center, and left. The bios should read either : 62-000042-015 or 62-000094-0x2 If the last 3 digits are 013, you got problems. > >Controller jumpers are set as follows: (""-"" represents jumper) > W1 1-2 3 > W2 1-2 3 > W3 1-2 > W4 1 2-3 > W5 1 2 3 > W6 1-2 3 > W7 1 2 3 Looks right. W5 and W7 are factory jumped (with a trace) between pins 1 and 2 to select the primary controller address. >The drive jumpers are as follows: (""8"" represents jumper) Looks right. [art deleted] >Here are my questions: > >1.) Are the drive and controller compatible w/ each other? I notice you left out the S1 jumper table settings. Those are what control what drive the controller thinks it has. If you have the 62-000042-015 rom, set it like this: 5 + + open 6 + + open 7 + + open 8 + + open 4 + + closed 3 + + closed 2 + + open 1 + + open Note: those are how WD runs the numbers on the jumper block. Top to bottom. +'s represent the jumper pins. Pins 3,4, and 8 select the first drive setting (drive 0) and pins 1,2 and 7 select the second drive (drive 1). If you have the 62-000094 rom, it's a auto-config, and I'll have to look up how to do it... I don't have the big book right here. >2.) Are the jumpers on the card/drive set correctly? See above. You might have problems if the S1 jumpers are not right. Also, at the risk of being insulting, make sure the cables are on right and good. 8). On the jumper on the 251, try moving it to the opposite side of the drive. It's one or the other. The narrow data cable goes to J2. I've thrown it on J3 a few times and banged my head for a day..... >3.) Is my system's BIOS in need of an upgrade? Dunno. IBM roms had to be later than 10/27/82. A quick way to check is to boot dos and run debug. Enter: -d f000:fff5 fffc (the - is the debug prompt) This will return the rom date, if it's of any use. >Keith Rice If I oversimplified any of the above, I appologize. It's just hard to know what caliber of person I'm talking to. 8). --> Bob Valentine <-- --> ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu <-- From chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za Mon Apr 5 06:33:46 1993 Received: from unitrix.utr.ac.za by ponder (5.61/1.36) id AA16194; Mon, 5 Apr 93 06:32:59 -0500 Received: by unitrix.utr.ac.za (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0nfpMA-0001X7C; Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:28 GMT Message-Id: From: chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za (Prof P. Piacenza) Subject: ST251 To: drice@ponder Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:28:49 +0200 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL11] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 24559 Status: OR If you are using a TWISTED 34-way cable then move the jumper on your drive to the neighbouring pins :8::::::. Make sure that the twisted cable is for a hard disk (and not a floppy disk) - the coloured stripe (pin 1) should be furthest from the twist. This may also help. PRODUCTS FOR XT SYSTEMS HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES Reference NOTE 1. WD1002A-WX1, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. Reference NOTE 2. WDXT-GEN, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM hard disk drives with up to 8 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. WD1004A-WX1, feature F300R - Half-slot size disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Reference NOTE 2. WDXT-GEN2, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM hard disk drives with up to 8 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. Reference NOTE 2. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES Reference NOTE 2. WD1002-27X, feature F301R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. Reference NOTE 2. WD1002A-27X, feature 300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non- standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. WD1004-27X, feature F301R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connection for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Reference NOTE 2. WD1004A-27X, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. NOTE 1: AT&T 6300 - The AT&T 6300 and the AT&T 6300 PLUS contain system BIOS chips that support the hard disk drive. When using a Western Digital XT controller card the system will not ""boot."" To solve this problem, one of the ROM BIOS chips must be disabled. To disable the BIOS on your Western Digital XT controller card, you must remove the jumper at position W-3 or add a jumper at position R-23 (depending on which model of XT controller you are using). -2- NOTE 2: TANDY 1000 SYSTEMS - The WD1002A-WX1, WD1004A-WX1, WDXT-GEN2 and the WD1004-27X can be modified to operate in Tandy 1000 series computers, models SX, TX and the original or ""A"" version. These computers utilize an interrupt of 2 (IRQ2) instead of IRQ5, the IBM standard. To modify the WD1002A-WX1 or the WD1002-27X to operate in these systems, you must cut the etch between pin 1 and pin 2 at jumper position W-7. Then solder pin 2 and pin 3 at the position (W-7). To complete the modification, a jumper must be added to position 7 of switch S-1 (2 rows of 8 pins). PLEASE NOTE THAT ANY PHYSICAL MODIFICATION TO YOUR WESTERN DIGITAL HARD DISK CONTROLLER VOIDS THE WARRANTY ON YOUR BOARD. To modify the WD1004A-WX1, WDXT-GEN2 or the WD1004-27X for your Tandy 1000 system, a zero ohm resister must be soldered to jumper position W-27. This will change the interrupt from IRQ5 to IRQ2. XT CONTROLLERS FOR FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1002A-FOX - Half-slot floppy disk controller for XT or AT systems. Four versions of the board are available: Feature F001 supports two floppy disk drives. Feature F002 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector and an optional 4-pin power connector. Feature F003 supports two floppy disk drives and includes a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drive that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. Feature F004 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector, an optional 4-pin power connector and a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. -3- PRODUCTS FOR AT SYSTEMS HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT WD1003-WAH, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 3:1 interleave. WD1003V-MM1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 2:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). WD1006-WAH , feature F001R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave. WD1006V-MM1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching."" The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1003-WA2, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface, full AT form factor. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (360K and 1.2 MB). WD1003A-WA2, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface, full XT form factor. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (360K and 1.2 MB). WD1003V-MM2, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 2:1 interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44Mb). The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). WD1006V-MM2, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching"" and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). -4- HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT WD1003-RAH - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 3:1 interleave. WD1003V-SR1 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 2:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1006-RAH - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave. Feature F001R includes an optional ROM BIOS that provides additional drive parameter tables. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1006V-SR1 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching."" The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1003-RA2, feature F001R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb). -5- WD1003V-SR2 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 2:1 interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives, (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The ""V"" boards run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature 300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1006V-SR2 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads, 2048 cylinders and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). It also features 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching"". The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature 300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR ESDI HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT - WD1007A-WAH - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate and 1:1 interleave. Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1007V-SE1/ME1 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second data transfer rate and 1:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. -6- HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR ESDI HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1007A-WA2 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1007V-SE2/ME2 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1 interleave and 2 floppy drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 12 megahertz bus speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1007A-WA4 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). This board also has a serial port and parallel port. Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameter. -7- HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR SCSI HARD DISK DRIVES 7000-ASC - A SCSI host adapter that serves as an interface between the AT bus and the SCSI bus. All necessary drivers and receivers are included, permitting direct cable connections to the SCSI bus through a 50 pin connector and to the AT bus through two edge connectors. The 7000-ASC utilizes jumper configurable options that enable the address space, DMA channels and interrupt requests to be selected to suit the end user's application. The board also features word data transfer at 4 megabytes per second (synchronous), an on-board floppy disk controller and a ROM BIOS. Please note that the 7000-ASC operates using standard DOS 3.2 or DOS 3.3 only. 7000-FASST2 - This SCSI host adapter card provides the same features as the 7000-ASC plus additional support capabilities using software developed by Columbia Data Products. The 7000- FASST2 will support MS-DOS 3.2-3.3, Compaq DOS 3.31, PC-DOS 4.0, PC-MOS/386 version 2.1, XENIX, Microsoft Windows, Novell and Sytos tape backup. WDATXT-FASST KIT - An ""unintelligent"" SCSI host adapter that is compatible with the IBM XT, AT and compatible systems. It uses a 50 pin external SCSI bus ""D"" connector with a standard 50 pin internal SCSI cable. The WDATXT-FASST can be used as both a target and an initiator and it serves as an excellent tool for SCSI designers. It also provides a low cost alternative for end- users desiring to install a SCSI peripheral device such as a hard disk drive or a tape backup unit. The kit includes an 8-bit SCSI HBA board, manual, FASST software diskettes and an internal SCSI cable. SYTOS TAPE BACKUP - (Utility for 7000-FASST) - FASST-SYTOS - FASST version of Sytos tape backup utilities. MS-DOS compatible, it runs with FASST software products Revision 3.3+. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR PS/2 MODEL 50, 60, 80 SYSTEMS (MICROCHANNEL ARCHITECTURE) WD1006V-MC1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller with an ST506/ST412 interface for microchannel systems. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching."" The""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). -8- WD1007V-MC1, feature F300R - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second transfer rate and it contains a ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI hard disk drives without modifying the system BIOS. It uses 1:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 12 megahertz bus speed). CONTROLLERS FOR FLOPPY DISK DRIVES ONLY WD1002A-FOX - Half-slot floppy disk controller for XT or AT systems. Four versions of the board are available: Feature F001 supports two floppy disk drives. Feature F002 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector and an optional 4-pin power connector. Feature F003 supports two floppy disk drives and includes a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. Feature F004 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector, an optional 4-pin power connector and a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. -- Prof. L. Piacenza - Chemistry Department - University of Transkei Internet: chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za (preferred). Tel. 27-471-3022384 Internet: sppp@hippo.ru.ac.za From necis!mydual.uucp!olson@transfer.stratus.com Mon Apr 5 12:14:06 1993 Received: from transfer.stratus.com by ponder (5.61/1.36) id AA29202; Mon, 5 Apr 93 12:14:03 -0500 Received: from necis.UUCP by transfer.stratus.com (4.1/3.12-jjm) id AA22183; Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:12:04 EDT Received: from mydual by necis.necis.ma.nec.com id aa21760; 5 Apr 93 12:50 EDT Received: by mydual.UUCP (5.58/smail2.5/09-28-87) id AA18009; Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:24:23 EST Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:24:23 EST From: ""Kirtland H. Olson"" Message-Id: <9304051824.AA18009@mydual.UUCP> To: drice@ponder Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware In-Reply-To: Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667 Reply-To: necis!olson%mydual.uucp@transfer.stratus.com Cc: Status: OR Suggest you move jumper on drive rightward one position. Regards, --Kirt -- Kirtland H Olson Harvard MA 01451-0667 USA olson%mydual.uucp@necis.ma.nec.com " 7257,6,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron. Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 4 I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union. Among the cars, dinette sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom, RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc. Don't they have garage sales in Russia? :-) " 7258,18,"From: radford@cs.toronto.edu (Radford Neal) Subject: Re: Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto Lines: 24 In article ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: > Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, > Study Finds While I agree with much of this post, one point seems mis-directed... > When standards of living, population densities, and industrial > structures are controlled for, the United States is no less energy > efficient than Japan and more energy efficient than many of the Group > of Seven nations. And when controlled for usage of oil, gas, etc. energy efficiency in all countries turns out to be identical :-) To take population density as an example, one way to reduce energy used in transportation is surely to concentrate the population in dense urban areas (though this might, of course, have other disadvantages, possibly even relating to energy use). The fact that Japan is forced to do this by the nature of the country, while the US is not, does not mean that people in the US would be unable to do this if given sufficient motive to conserve energy. Radford Neal " 7259,9,"From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") Subject: Re: THE METS ARE RAPISTS!! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 34 writes: > In the new book about the Mets it talks about how they like to rape little > girls before games. Sick jerks!!! > -Max Is this the book by Bob Klapisch (spelling?), ""The Worst Team Money Can Buy""? If it is, I wouldn't give the book, or anything in it any value whatsoever. Klapisch wrote the book to make money (obviously) and sensational literature is going to sell a lot better than what he usually writes for the papers. I'm not calling him a liar, but if there was any proof that a Met player had raped a little girl before a game (let alone doing it on a regular basis) they would be in jail, not Shea. For those people who do not know what the press is like in New York, it is probably more cut-throat than in just about any other part of the U.S. Keith Hernandez said it very well on ESPN a couple of days ago, they would much rather mention a clubhouse fight, than a two-run homer in the ninth to win a game. I do not read Klapisch's news columns regularly, but I do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator that enjoys (hopefully for only professional reasons) to drumb up a news story, even if there isn't one there. Now as far as the confrontation with Bobby Bonilla a few days ago, I almost totally blame Bonilla. No matter what a member of the press does, and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might be, that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a journalist. Personally, I always thought that a beat writer that always follows a club around should report the news, but not be looking to degrade a team. I don't know whether to blame Klapisch, because that may be the only way to keep a job in New York. " 7260,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210350.2865 Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 29 In article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WALTER WORKS) writes: > The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. They > clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two > homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a three > run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, > tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many more > to follow). The Yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the > Indians. The Yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the division. > GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young. > > ---> jason. Jason, I am going to a yankee game wed night at cleveland stadium. I am so happy. But Cleveland is a very bad team who lost severalrs. They were an up and coming team, now they are just a sad excuse for a better average. ABBOT WILL NOT WIN THE CY.!!!!!! MELIDO PEREZ WILL. as bold a prediction as they come., Well herOT be in last place by the end of the season. Mike lurie Speaks, and the world listens. " 7261,4,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Mac & IBM Info-Version 1.7.7 Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 753 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu {Send follow ups to comp.sys.mac.advocacy. Sorry about the header but the Pnews here does not let one easily change the headers and I gave up after a year of trying. This sheet is also available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare177.txt.} Mac & IBM Info-Version 1.7.7 The reason for this general data sheet is to consolidate and condense the information out there, so that people in both camps can be clear and accurate about what they are saying about their machines. Since computer technology is always changing there are always going to be points in which the sheet will be lacking or incorrect on information. So, please just don't say the sheet is incomplete or incorrect but also give me clear and concise information to make the needed corrections. All prices are in US dollars. To keep this data sheet organized please provide, if possible, article citations for the information provided or corrected and keep the opinions to a minimum. As this is a general data sheet, keep the info provided simple so I can understand what is being talked about and can explain it to others. Finally, keep the information relevant to the section corrected {For example, OS code in ROM is software contained in hardware, so no more of the 'but it is supported in OS disk software' data for the hardware section, please}. Thank you. Note: for proper reading off line this document should be in 9 point Monaco. Special thanks to ANDREW@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie), andrew@frip.wv.tek.com (Andrew Klossner), bell-peter@YALE.EDU (Peter Bell), bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman), cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido), d88- jwa@nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) ephraim@Think.COM (Ephraim Vishniac), fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat), gsidler@cafe.eecs.nwu.edu (Gabriel Sidler), julian@deepthnk.kiwi.gen.nz (Julian Harris), Erick.Krueger@um.cc.umich.edu, krueger@engin.umich.edu, matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy), mark@bilpin.co.uk (Mark Allerton), jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim), mem@jhufos.pha.jhu.edu (Mel Martinez), nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou), pwagner%us.oracle.com, s_fuller@iastate.edu, strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl), jkirvin@pafosu1.hq.af.mil, phill@ichips.intel.com, shaikha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu, sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers), Lewis Kawecki@novell.com, lamont@catfish16.rtsg.mot.com (Bradley Lamont), cerro@mbcl.rutgers.edu (""Cerro, Joseph A""), mpark@utmem1.utmem.edu (Mel Park), logullo@applelink.apple.com (Jeff Logullo), zrai02@hou.amoco.com (Robert Irlbeck), and mikew@apple.com for providing some of the information that made this list possible. Contents CPUs Hardware Monitor support Expansion Operating system OS Number Crunching Networking & Printing The CPUs Note: I am only showing Motorola & Intel CPUs used in Mac and most IBM/PC clone machines. For example, since Apple never used the Motorola 68008 and 68010 in the Mac these chips are not listed. Years only appear with dead CPUs and indicate first to last year used as a CPU. Cache note: both IBM and Mac use caches external to the CPUs. These external caches increase the speed of the CPU but are not a part of it. In most of the present Macs there are external caches built-in while with IBM they are optional {Though machines are generally sold with them installed}. Since there are many different external caches {CPU-Mac and IBM; SCSI, video, disk and static RAM-Mac}, each having a different effect on CPU performance, and they are machine {32KB static RAM cache in IIci, IIfx, and IIvx}, seller {cache card installed in some IIcis} or expansion {IIci cache cards go up to 128KB} dependent, I have decided to leave them out of the list. Note: ALU is industry's de-facto standard for CPU bit classification. IBM ALU Registers External CPU Features/ CPU bus address cache Notes 8088(6) 16 16 8 (16) 20 none {1981-9} {198?-9} 80186 16 16 16 20 none {198?-9?} segmenting 80286 16 16 16 24 none 80186 + Protected Mode 80386 32 32 32 32 none MMU & 32-bit Protected Mode 486sx 32 32 32 32 one 8K 80486 - FPU 80486 32 32 32 32 one 8K 80386 & FPU 486dx2 32 32 32 32 one 8K doubled internal clock rate* 486dx3 being demoed. 20/60 MHz, 25/75 MHz, and 33/99 MHz planned. Pentium 32 32 64 32 16K code, CISC chip with RISC-like 5 16K data features, 2-issue superscalar, [P 5] 386 Write-Back, 64-bit FPU path, pipelining; Speed: SPECint92: 64.5; SPECfp92: 56.9** 386sx: 386 chip with 32-bit internal/16-bit external architecture. 286 and 386sx chips can address to 16MB maximum RAM. 386sl: low power(3.3V) 386sx with built-in power management. Used mainly on laptops. 386slc: IBM 5V 386sx with a 16k on-chip cache added (John H. Kim). As far as John H. Kim knows it is only used on IBM models. 486slc: Neither of two chips that have this name have a FPU. Cyrix: basically 486sx in 386sx socket with 1k cache and improved integer math speed. IBM: equivalent to the 486sx except it has a 16k on-chip cache. * ex. for 486dx2/50, chip runs 50 MHz rest of machine runs at 25 MHz. ***(PC Week 04/12/93; PC Mag 4/27/93:138) ""The latest in a line of CISC chips"" (PC Mag 4/27/93:110) Samples released March 22, 1993, but machines will not be announced until at least May 1993 (PC Week 2/08/93). $1000 a CPU; systems $5000 and up (PC Mag 4/27/93:110). Mac ALU Registers External CPU Features/ CPU bus address cache* Notes 68000 16 32 16 24 none {1984-1993} 16MB limit** 68020 32 32 32 32 256 code {1987-1992} parallel processing 68030 32 32 32 32 two 256 68020 + MMU, 16K burst mode 68LC040 32 32 32 32 two 4K 68040 - FPU 68040 32 32 32 32 two 4K MMU, FPU, pipelining, doubled internal clock rate*** 68050 development discontinued in favor of 68060 68060 32 32 32 32 Branch 68040 + a better FPU, target superscaler pipelining, cache line bursts, equivalent capabilities & speeds to Pentium*# *includes data and instruction {code} caches. The 68030, 68LC040, & 68040 have built-in caches for both. **68000 Mac designs created a 4MB limit. ***The 040 has 2 clocks, an internal processor clock [PCLK] that is 2x freq of external bus clock [BCLK] which is the one used to rate the chips (Bradley Lamont; Motorola 68040 data book). Some compilers produce programs sensitive to the PCLK and so they act as if the 68040 was a clock doubler chip, but this very compiler and program dependent. Compliers maybe written to allow programs to take consitant advantage of the 68040's PCLK in the future. As it is now, studies such as one in a Byte article {which showed 040/25 ~486/50 and roughly ~486dx2/50} are very dependent on the machine, OS, and programs tested and as such are not representative of general performance. *#Motorola claims (PC Week 09/07/92; 09/14/92). As the PowerPCs are to be in both IBM and Mac machines I have listed them separately to eliminate redundancy. They are Motorola CPU RISC chips. PowerPC ALU Registers External CPU Features/ CPU bus address cache Notes MC98601 32 32 32 int 64 32K Speed: SPECint92: 50; [601] 32 fp combined SPECfp92: 80* I/D MC98603: low power MC98601 for desktop & portable systems. Out by end of 1993. [603] MC98604: high performance MC98601 for high end machines. Out by 1st Q 1994. [604] MC98620 64 64 32 int 64 32K Out by mid 1994. [620] 32 fp combined I/D *(PC Week 04/12/93; PC Mag 4/27/93:138). Select venders were sent sample MC98601 chips by Motorola 2/93 (PC Week 2/08/93), and some NuBus boards containing early samples of PowerPC 601 have been given to Apple's ""A-list"" developers (PC Week 12/7/92; MacWeek 12/14/92). MC98601/50MHz-$280; MC98601/66MHz-$374 (PC Week 4/12/93). Systems: ~$3500 with ~$2000 versions out by mid 1994 (PC Week 4/12/93). CPUs Comparison List As a general rule of thumb Motorola chips are faster than Intel chips at the same frequency {030/25 ~= 386/33; 040/25 ~= 486dx/50}, but Intel has chips at higher frequencies than Motorola, so this evens out. The Macintosh Bible 4th ed. supports the comparisons between Intel and Motorola chips for the 68020 and above. <=80186 ~ 68000 {16-bit vs 16/24/32-bit chip [data path/address lines/data & address registers]. The 4MB limit on the 68000 Macs brings it down to the 80186 and lower chips, otherwise it would compare to the 80286.} 286 ~ 68020 {hardware segmenting vs. 68020's 32-bit ALU and these chips come have no usable built-in MMU unlike their successors [80386, 68030]. The hardware segmenting's protected mode is used by OS/2 1.0 => and Windows 3.X. The use of the hardware segmenting and their 16-bit nature put the 286 between the 60000 and 68030 in features and the LC's 16-bit data path strenghthens the 286 ~ 68020 comparison.} 386 ~ 68030 {Two 32-bit chips with MMUs, and protected memory. A/UX 3.0 is at present the only Mac OS to use the 68030's protected memory feature for apps. System 7.x uses this feature to protect a RAM disk created by the Memory control panel but this is supported only on Powerbooks and Quadras. The Color Classic and LCII 16-bit hardware data paths makes the 68030s in them comparative to 386sxs.} 486sx ~ 68LC040 {same as 486 and 68040 without the FPU; used as a low cost solution for people who do not need the FPU. Only with programs sensitive to PCLK & pipelining does the 68LC040 behave like 486dx2 - FPU or a '486dx2sx'.} 486 ~ 68040 {two 32-bit microprocessors with built-in FPU, MMU, 8K internal cache (which is implemented as two 4K caches in the 68040 and one in the 486). Only with programs sensitive to PCLK & pipelining does the 68040 behave like a 486dx2.} Pentium ~ 68060 {Both are planned to be superscalar but both have heat problems. These chips may flounder against the cheaper (PC Week 3/08/93; 4/12/93; PC Mag 4/27/93:110), earlier released (PC Week 12/7/92; MacWeek 12/14/92; PC Week 2/08/93), less leat producing {160 degrees F for Pentium (PC Mag 4/27/93:118)}, and partly ported to PowerPC chips.} PowerPC = PowerPC {This CPU line is planned to run programs from DOS, Windows 3.x, OS/2 and Mac OS on top of PowerOpen-A/UX 4.0 [UNIX] and later Pink [Taligent OS] by using emulators or, if necessary, the OSes themselves in a 'shell' a.k. how SoftPC or OS/2 does DOS.} Hardware {In an effort to remove the 'reconfiguring the system almost every time you add something' requirement for add-in cards, drivers, video, and operating systems in the IBM world, Intel, Microsoft and 12 other hardware and software developers are working out 'plug and play' standards (PC Week 03/08/93).} Color Support/Display Mac: 30.24 MHz Pixel Clock standard. All present Macs support the use of 32-bit color through 32-bit color QuickDraw in ROM. 32-bit color QuickDraw allows an almost transparent capability to display and edit X-bit images in Y- bit color and retain ALL the colors of Y-bit color [Where X and Y independently are 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, or 32] regardless of monitor resolution {63 dpi [12"" color] to 94 dpi [PaletteBook]} or monitor type {including autosynchronous VGA, MCGA and SVGA monitors with ranges including 66.7 hz vertically and 35 kHz horizontally and only a hardware video adaptor (MacUser Aug 1992: 158-176). Older machines that supported color {SE/30, II, IIX, and IIcx} had only 8-bit color in ROM and needed a software patch to use 32-bit color (MacUser Special 1993:28-29). To keep costs down and speed up most Macs have only 8 or 16 bit display capability built-in, but most of those can be expanded to display 24-bit color. Presently QuickDraw is optimized for 72 dpi display; QuickDraw QX will change this. In addition, QuickDraw allows, in Macs with a NuBus slot, more then one monitor to be used in any combination, from two monitors showing the same thing to multiple monitors acting as one large large monitor with any degree of overlap of the pictures. VRAM: Video RAM. Standard for present non-PowerBook Mac's handling of built-in video {from a 32-bit color palette}. VRAM provided runs a 8-bit color 640x480 display; expandable to 16-bit color or a 8-bit 832x624 display. Sound output: Standard in all Macs since the 128K. Stereo sound became standard with the SE/30. IBM: Even though PCs have ROM BIOS definitions of how the operating system interacts with the video hardware (Nan Zou), the use of drivers bypassing BIOS, video hareware inconsitancies {see Super VGA below} and nonstanderzation of clone BIOS have left resolution of video display hardware, OS and program interaction up to the OS and video hardware in question (Faisal Nameer Jawdat). In addition, IBM and clone makers never bothered to provide a standard hardware mechanism for software to determine what display mode is actually present (Matt Healy) nor a standardized screen-drawing toolbox {like Mac's QD}. As a result the OS must be very well written to detect some modes, especially with some third party cards or to use them consitantly {At present things are so dependent on the interaction of the program, OS, print driver and monitor card that editing 32-bit pictures regardless of color mode, OS, and monitor type/card combination as one can do on the Mac is impossible with an IBM. For example, one cannot edit a 32-bit color picture done on a OS/2 486 with a SVGA monitor on a 386 with VGA {18-bit color palette} and DOS 5.0 and still have ALL the colors one started out with}. Later IBM machines will have integrated graphics accelerators, faster processors, and modular upgradeability and may have built-in sound cards, CD ROM, and Ethernet (PC Week 12/14/92). MDA: Monocrome Display Adapter original character-mapped video mode, no graphics, 80x25 text. CGA: Color Graphics Array 320x200 4 colors or 640x200 b/w, 16 color palette, bad for the eyes. EGA: Enhanced Graphics Array 640x350 16 colors from 64 color palette [and some lower res]; some versions could run at 256 colors, bearable on the eyes. VGA: Video Graphics Array* 320x200 at 256 colors, 640x480 at 16 colors, and some others, these two are the most commonly used. All modes have a 256K CLUT, from a 18 to 24-bit {IBM} or a 32-bit {Mac} color palette. 25.175 MHz Pixel Clock (Mel Martinez). Monitors use analog input, incompatible with TTL signals from EGA/CGA etc. MCGA: Multi-Color Graphics Array* subset of VGA that provides all the features of MDA & CGA, but lacks some EGA and VGA modes, like VGA 640x480x16 (Dictionary of Computer Terms-DCT). Common on the initial PS/1 implementation from IBM and some PS/2 Models. SVGA: Super VGA* This is not a standard in the way the others were, but instead was a 'catch all' category for a group of video cards. As such, with each manufacturer using their own implementation scheme, SVGA was chaos with people debating as to what is SVGA and what is not. In an effort to make SVGA more of a standard VESA was established and is used in the newer units, but things are still a mess. Video is either 512K [~1990] or 1M [today], resolution of 800x600 and 1024x768 at 16 and 256 colors are common, newer ones [since 1990] have the Sierra HiColor RAMDAC, giving 15-bit 32,768 colors at 800x600, some of the very newer ones [~6/92] can do 24 bits per pixel [usually at 640x480]. Speedwise, too much variation, some very slow [Western Digital Paradise based, for example], some very fast [S3 86C911 based, for example], some are so-so [like Tseng ET4000, a very popular chipset]. Some limiting factors overcome by 40MHz VL Bus & 386's linear address mapping were: 8.33 MHz ISA bus, AT architecture where the CPU looks at the card through a 64K ""window"", etc. Other non-SVGA standards: 8514/a: IBM's own standard, interlacing graphics accelerator with graphics functions like linedraw, polygon fill, etc. in hardware. Some clone implementations from ATI are the fastest video available today, though some clone models do not have interlacing. TMS34010/34020: high end graphics co-processors, usually >$1000, some do 24-bit, speeds up vector-oriented graphics like CAD. XGA: eXtended Graphics Array newer and faster than 8514/a, only available for MCA bus-based PS/2s, clones are coming out soon. Emulates VGA, EGA, and CGA (DCT). Max resolution at 1024x768x8b, same as 8514/a, also some 16 bpp modes. XGA-2 Accelerates graphics functions up to 20 times faster than standard VGA in Windows and OS/2, including line draws, bit and pixel-block transfers, area fills, masking and X/Y addressing. Has an intelligent way to detect and co- exist with other XGA-2 cards, so multiple desktops like on the Mac may not be far away. Since this is an architecture, its resolution and color depth isn't fixed {IBM implements only 16-bit [65,536] color, while other companies can have 24-bit color through IBM technical licenses}. Refresh rates up to 75 Hz, ensures flicker free, rock solid images to reduce visual discomfort, and is VGA compatible. Up to 1280x1024 on OS/2. *some monitor types usable by Mac-See Mac section above for specific details. Expansion Both Mac & IBM SCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM. Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM. Main problem: there are a lot of external devices which are internal terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and at the end. Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}. SCSI-1: 7 devices per SCSI controller. 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave} and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfers. Difference is due to SCSI-1 software drivers. ""Fast SCSI-1"" is a misname for 8-bit SCSI-2 in SCSI-1 mode {see SCSI-2 for details}. SCSI-2: 10 devices per SCSI controller in SCSI-2 mode. SCSI-2 is fully SCSI-1 compliant and 8-bit SCSI-2 tends to be implemented as a very fast SCSI-1 since it does not require the different controller interfaces in hardware and software that 16 and 32-bit SCSI-2 do. Transfer speeds are 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst {32-bit/wide and fast}. Since 8-bit SCSI-2 can use SCSI-1 software drivers and hardware at 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds and as such is limited to 7 devices sometimes it is mistakenly called ""fast SCSI-1"". 16-bit fast SCSI-2 requires a SCSI-2 software driver and SCSI-2 electronics but can still use the SCSI-1 ports. Wide 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 require a different SCSI port, electronics, and software driver from SCSI-1 {Which makes them more expensive than other SCSI interfaces}. Mac SCSI: asynchronous SCSI-1 built-in standard since the Plus. Even though Apple developed some specifications for SCSI controlers, the OS SCSI Manager needs to be rewritten to take full advantage of the features of both SCSI interfaces. As a result present SCSI-2 Macs use 8-bit SCSI-2 as a fast asynchronous SCSI-1. Presently Quadras are the only Macs with a SCSI-2 controller chip built-in (Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)) though they lack some other parts of the hardware, like the wide SCSI-2 port interface. Since other Macs require a NuBus card to use SCSI-2, older NuBus Macs had a bottleneck due to the speed of the NuBus and CPU. Rumor-some Cyclone Macs {June} will come with a wide & fast SCSI-2 port standard and have a rewritten OS SCSI manager. IBM SCSI: SCSI-1 is not too wide spread yet, generally not bundled with systems, except as add-on {EISA and VESA Local Bus adapters avalable}. Like the Mac, 8-bit SCSI-2 is used as a very fast SCSI-1 by most controllers out there. Unlike the Mac, IBM has no exact SCSI controller specifications which results in added incompatibilities for SCSI. Mac Memory expansion: with a few exceptions the Mac has used non-parity 30-pin 8-bit SIMM memory expansion since the Plus. While 32-pin 9-bit parity SIMMs could be used in these Macs, only special IIcis could make use of the parity feature {By convension both SIMM types are called 32-pin SIMMs}. The IIfx used 64-pin parity SIMMs. The LC III, C610/650 and Q800 all use a new 72-pin SIMM that is accessable by 32-bits at a time and is used in IBMs. The Mac does a complete memory check at startup by writing/reading every memory location; if something is seriously wrong with a SIMM the Mac will not boot and give a sound chord indicating what the problem is. Since Macs made before Feb 15, 1993 managed memory baced on data path, SIMMs had to be installed in pairs {16-bit} or in sets of 4 {32-bit}. The Centris 650 and Quadra 800 eliminate this with a new memory management setup that allows memory to be upgraded one SIMM at a time. If the SIMMs are the same size are used then the memory is 'interleaved' across the two SIMMs resulting in a 10-15% performance boost on RAM access (MacWorld Apr 93: 108-109). Printers, ADBs, and modems: built-in interfaces standard. Monitor interface and sound input: built-in on most present macs. PDS: Available in SE & all present non-Powerbook Macs. 16-bit {SE, Portable, LC, LC II, Classic line} and 32-bit. Operates at CPU's MHz. Maximum through put: data path in bytes*CPU's MHz {Q700/900 & C650: 4 * 25Mhz = 100MB/s; Q800 & Q950: 4 * 33Mhz = 132MB/s}. Standardized with the LC and 040 bus designs. With an adapter one NuBus card can be used in IIsi and C610. Problem: some cards have timing dependency which slows through put down. NuBus Mac II: 32-bit, 10 MHz bus clock, 1-to-1 transaction/bus cycle ratio, and contiguous, hand-shake transactions at ~10-20MB/s; theoretical peak: 40MB/s. Built-in on all Modular Macs except the LC series, C610, and Performa 400. The SE/30 could be adapted to use this and there was even a Mac Plus SCSI NuBus. Supports every possible expansion from CPU to Ethernet to DMA. NuBus 90: NuBus Mac II back compatable. 20MHz bus clock, avg throughput: ~30MB/s; burst mode: 80MB/s. Future card designs will be 7"" instead of the old 12"". QuickRing: A peer-to-peer bus used in parallel with NuBus 90. Apple's VLBus - ""Architecture is identical to that of VLBus"" (Byte 10/92:128). Burst mode: 350MB/s (Byte 10/92:128). In development. CPU expansion: handled either through the PDS or the NuBus. Unlike PDS, Nubus CPU cards {example-Radius Rocket} allow use of multiple processors at the same time. This is like having two or more Macs in the same box able to dual task or joinly process depending on the card or software involved {Each NuBus card needs its own memory but most NuBus cards of this type come with 8MB RAM SIMMs on the card standard}. IBM Memory expansion: parity SIMMs, non-parity SIMMs {some newer models do a Mac- like SIMM memory check}, or a dozen or so different types of memory boards. HD Interfaces {limited to hard drives by design or lack of development}: MFM: Modified Frequency Modulation, RLL: Run Length Limited only used with smaller [² 60mb] hard drives. IDE: Integrated Device Electronics Asynchronous {~5MB/s max} and synchronous {8.3MB/s max} transfer. currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized drives. Can have more than one hard drive. ESDI: Enhanced Small Device Interface ~1.25MB/s throughput. generally considered better interface than SCSI-1 in many ways but not common enough for practical consideration. Outside of hard drives, device choices are very limited compared to SCSI-1. BUS interfaces {New 'plug and play' ISA and EISA compatable cards may have problems working with old cards (InfoWorld; PC Week 03/08/93; Vaporware 4/93).} ISA 8 & 16-bit interfaces common. Has 24-bit data path limit {which produces a 16MB limit for which there are software workarounds} (PC Mag 4/27/93:105). 1.5 MB/s (Byte 3/93:132). Uses edge-triggered interrupts, can't share them, hence comes the IRQ conflict. Limited busmastering capabilities, some cards aren't bandwidth limited {COM ports, LPT ports, game ports, MIDI card, etc.} while others are {video and disk controllers}. Dominant factor, but it's showing its age. Most ISA motherboard designs are 16-bit (PC World Feb 1993: 144-5)}. MCA {Micro Channel} IBM's 16 and 32-bit bus; ""allows use of more than one CPU in a computer"" (DCT) and anything can talk to anything, as fast as the two components involved can handle it. Never took off because it was incompatible with ISA and EISA. Planned to be bus interface of IBM PowerPC 601 (Carl Jabido). EISA {NuBus Mac II is closest Mac equivalent} 32-bit, 8.33 MHz, burst mode: 33MB/s. It also has the ability to self-configure cards like MCA and allows multiple bus masters, sharable interrupt and DMA channels and multiple CPU use. VESA Local Bus: VLB {Sometimes mistakenly refereed to as PDS} Local Bus standard. Runs at CPU clock rate, Burst modes: ~130 MB/s{32-bit} 250 MB/s{64-bit} (Byte 10/92:128). Limited to three slots but allows bus mastering and will coexist with either ISA or EISA. Consitered ideal for video and disk I/O. DELL has filled a claim that this violates one of their patents (Mel Martinez). QuickRing: Apple's faster {350 MB/s burst} version of VLB architecture (Byte 10/92:132). Might show up in some IBM and PowerPC machines (Byte 10/92:132-133). In development. PCI Intel's version of Local Bus that is intended to totally replace ISA/EISA/MCA. In development. OSes {assumes full installation [print drivers, fonts, Multifinder, etc.] and multiple application use.} Mac 512K to 1MB of OS and hardware commands have been put into ROM. This allows Apple to control its machine by putting key hooks for the Mac OS {QuickDraw, menu commands, print, mouse, SCSI & sound drivers, etc} in ROM, which require clone makers to use the ROM chip or read ROM on to disks {Which requires access to the proper Mac since different Macs have slightly different ROM chips; Plus vs Classic for example.} With key hooks for the OS support interface in ROM, programers do not have to worry as much whether the disk OS has the necessary hardware commands or that those commands are consitant and therefore can write smaller programs. This also allows Apple greater control over hardware-software standards and that the disk OS can be smaller and, with some of the tookbox command code in ROM, with lower RAM requirements then a totally disk based OS. Macs use Masked ROM which is as fast as DRAM (Jon Wtte). 6.0.7: Single program usage base requirements: 1 MB and DD floppy, cooperatively-multitasking base requirements: 2MB and HD floppy. Features a GUI, cooperative-multitasker [MultiFinder], standard program interface, & standard stereo sound support [snd]. Network receiving part of AppleShare software is bundled with the OS. Has a 8MB RAM barrier and is a 24-bit OS. Some third party products allow 14MB of Virtual Memory as long as real RAM is below 8MB. 6.0.8: 6.0.7 with 7.0.0 print drivers. 6.0.8L: System 6 for some Macs that require System 7.0.X. 7.0.X: Base requirements: 2MB, 40MB Hard Drive, and 68000; De-facto standard to run all features well: 4MB, 80MB Hard Drive, and 68030 {lowest present non-portable Mac configuration}. Using up to 10.08MB {This is EVERYTHING on system disks} of hard disk space this has 6.0.7 features plus program linking within and between computers [IAC], built-in server capabilities {Filesharing can be used by older OSes using AppleShare Client software and can be accessed by 10 macs max; 4-5 is more speed practical, IAC requires 7.X}, Virtual Memory in machines with MMU{1.6 times real RAM for least noticeable IIsi speed degradation}, drag and drop, QuickTime & built-in TrueType support. Supports sound input [AIFF and snd formats] for most present machines. Can access up to 1GB of true RAM and 4GB of virtual memory and is both a 24 and 32-bit OS. To use real RAM beyond 8MB it must be in 32-bit mode and on older machines requires the 'Mode 32' extension. Apple's last 'free' OS. 7.1.0: 7.0.1 with WorldScript support, speedier, and less RAM usage than 7.0.dot (MacWeek 8/24/92; 9/14/92; PC Week 9/7/92). To run in 32-bit mode on older machines it requires the 'Mode 32' or '32-Bit Enabler' extension. Marks the start of Apple saling its Mac OS instead of allowing free upgrades {Bundled with new machines, $49 for 7.0.X upgrades, $99 otherwise}. [The installer has a bug that when upgrading it may keep some old system fonts from the previous system inside the system file. This can eat up any RAM benefits and cause other problems. Apple itself recommends removing all fonts from the system file.] A/UX 3.0 [UNIX]: Needs 8MB RAM {12-20MB suggested}, 160MB hard drive, and a 68030 or 68040 equivalent to run. This 32-bit preemptive multitasking OS is large due to being UNIX and needing translators between it and the Mac ROMs. Price: $709. Note: sound output was supported in OSes 3.2 to 6.0.5 by many formats including the following: snd, WAVE, ASND, FSSD, QSSN, SMSD, SOUN, dc2d, and DCFL. In 6.0.7 the sound manager was optimized for the sound standards 'snd' and AIFF which causes some playback problems for the old formats, though most still play. IBM Machiness have little GUI code, data, and hooks present in hardware for programmers to work with, so most of the coding must be provided in the OS. Since hard disks were slow the disk OS code is read into RAM. In addition, what little ROM code there is also read into RAM {a process called Shadow ROM} This results in faster implementation since RAM is faster then PROMS or EPROMS. Having most of the OS code on disk has the advantage of being able to better optimize the code given a certain piece or collection of hardware which is harder with a ROM based system due to the 'patches' needed. In addition it reduces the need for and size of patches if a major revision of the hardware support is needed. Side note: The FTC charged that MicroSoft formed a OS trust by not providing all feature documentation for its OSes to developers outside MS and designing its Windows and DOS apps to fail under OS/2 (""Undocumented Windows"") and ""There is deliberate code in [Windows] NT Beta which causes the install to abort if OS/2 Boot Manager is present"" (Gregory Hicks, Info-IBMPC Digest V92 #201). Due to a conflict of intrest by one member the vote of the FTC judicial council for action against Microsoft was a tie which resulted in no action. Rumors-the FTC will presue the matter, likely to the point of choosing a new member or whole new council. In addition the government has turned down Microsoft's copyright of ""Windows"" which would allow it to charge a fee for developers using their hooks (PC Week 03/08/93). MicroSoft OSes DOS 5.0: Has a 640K barrier with its own memory manager, a 1 MB barrier with third party memory managers. This 16-bit OS requires that each program must provide its own print drivers and be 16-bit {Programs need to be DOS Protected Mode Interface (DPMI) compliant and running on a 386dx [32-bit Protected Mode] to break these barriers}. Contains the GUI shell present in DOS 4.0. DOS 6.0: DOS 5.0 with the added features of a built-in file compresion, disk defragmenter, debugger for the CONFIG.SYS file. It needs a $80 module for networking {Cost: $50 through 5/93, after that $129.99} (Byte April 1993:44-46). DOS 7.0: 32-bit DOS. In development (PC Week 04/05/93). Window 3.0: Runs on top of DOS. Breaks 640K and 1M barriers but still has to deal with DOS file structure. Base requirements: 1MB, floppy and 286; to run well 2MB, hard drive, 386sx and fast display adapter {> 8-bit}. Has the equivalent of Mac's QD called Windows GDI [Graphics Device Interface]. This does not have a consistent application interface {Like early Mac programs (1984-1985)} nor a very large program base {compared to DOS} and still tends to slow the machine down (Info-IBMPC Digest V92 #186) with speed is more dependent on the display adapter then on the CPU (Bill Coleman). Window programs tend to be disk and memory hogs compared to their DOS counterparts (Byte April 1993:98-108). Window 3.1: A faster version of Window 3.0 with better memory managment. Base requirements 1 MB, hard drive and a 286 ;to run well 2MB, hard drive, 386sx. Apple plans to release its print drivers for this (PC Week 12/28/92). Windows for Workgroups: To run well: 4MB RAM and 386dx (PC World Feb/93:160). Intermediary between Win 3.1 and Windows NT. It is basically Windows 3.1 with built-in peer to peer networking support. Windows NT: Beta release takes about 50MB of disk space [including the swap file], and 12MB RAM {Betas are notorious for RAM usage especially in the interaction between debuging code and program compliers, hence the reports of 24MB requirements}. Released version supposed to need 8MB RAM but, Gates himself now recommends 16MB RAM (PC Week 04/15/92). This 32-bit OS has Protected mode multitasking, multithreading, symmetric multiprocessing, a recoverable file system, and 32-bit GDI. Has built in networking that is OSF DCE compliant and can handle up to 4GB of RAM. Even though some people see a July 4 release date (InfoWorld Nov 16/92), rumor is that the final version will not be available before Oct 1993 (InfoWorld May 25/92; July 6/92; Vaporware 07/92; 08/92) or 4th quarter 1993 (PC Week 09/28/92). Windows upgrades will be $295, otherwise $495 (PC Week 04/15/92; 03/15/93). Other OSes PC-DOS 6.0: IBM's version of DOS 6.0. It runs Windows much faster then DOS 6.0 due to faster file I/O and video handling (InfoWorld Feb 1, 93). DR DOS 6.0: same as DOS 5.0 with some extras {like built-in data compression} and memory management enhancements. Still has 640K/1MB barrier. A later version {Novell DOS} of this may use a version of the Mac finder and Apple file management system (PC Week 12/14/92; InfoWorld Dec 14/92). OS/2 2.0: Unix like features and unix like requirements; 8-16MB RAM, 60MB {uses 17-33MB} hard drive, and 386dx CPU. This 32-bit multithreaded, multitasking OS can address up to 4GB of RAM but has to use a fast swap file to use more than 16 MB RAM on ISA systems using DMA {Direct Memory Access}. IBM plans to use Taligent's OOPS in future versions of this (InfoWorld Oct 26/92). AIX: IBM's UNIX system, planned to be a subset of PowerOpen and Taligent OS. NeXTStep: GUI UNIX to provide NeXT features on IBM machines. Beta out, final version to be out by May 25, 1993. Solaris OS for x86: a SunSoft port. A 32-bit OS with symmetric multiprocessing and multithreading, built-in networking capabilities with tools to allow remote configuring and adminstration features, and communication package. Client: $795, 50 users server: $1,995, 1000s users server: $5,995. Developer kits-software: $495, hardware: $195. Mac 7.1 [working name: Star Trek]: Apple had System 7.0 running off Intel Chips and is looking at making a 7.1 version available for IBM (ComputerWorld Nov 2/92; MacWeek 03/22/93). At present this is planned to run on top of Novell's DR DOS, require a 486 or equivalent to run and that apps will need to be recompiled (MacWeek 03/22/93). Viewed as Novell's answer to Windows NT. The complexity of PC hardware set ups is one reason for slow progress {This seems to Apple/IBM's way of leading to the PowerPC line out in late 1993/early 1994 and Pink OS in late 1994-early 1995.} PowerPC Rumor-IBM will build its PowerPC 601 by late 1993 (InfoWorld June 8 & 15, 92; MacWeek 7/13/92; PC Week 3/15/93). It will have MicroChannel bus and XGA video (Carl B Jabido), and will run native version AIX and Mac apps (PC Week 3/15/93); there have been no comments on compatablity of DOS or Windows apps. Apple's PowerPC 601 machine {Tesseract} is planned to be out Jan 24, 1994 and to have MC98601/50 MHz, 4/8MB RAM, a 2.8-Mbyte floppy drive and expected to sale near LC line prices {~$2000, down from projections of ~$3000 (MacUser 9/92:146)} (MacWeek 3/22/93). PowerOpen [A/UX 4.0]: A 32-bit preemtive multitasking OS planned to run on PowerPCs and 68030/40 Macs (MacWeek 7/13/92). Intel compatibility uncertain (See Mac 7.1 above). Planned base requirements: 68030, 8MB RAM, 80MB hard drive (MacWeek 4/19/93). Rumor-ahead of schedule; COULD be out by mid 1993. Rumor-this could be the OS for IBM's PowerPC 601 which is due by late 1993. Pink [Taligent OS]: Expecting delivery in 1994 (Wall Street Journal 1/12/92) and may have some parts shipping in OS/2 and AIX in 1993 and Mac OS and PowerOpen with the PowerPCs (MacWeek 01/25/93). Windows NT: Possible port (MacWeek 04/05/93). See IBM OS section for details. Solaris OS: Version of this Sun Microsystems Inc UNIX OS to run on the Power PCs in 1994 (MacWeek 04/05/93). One of the few OSes to directly state that it will run Windows/DOS programs. IBM OS section for details NeXTStep: possible port see IBM OS section for details. OS Number Crunching (Mel Park) Mac Arithmetic is done in a consistent numerical environment {SANE or Standard Apple Numerics Environment}. Floating point numbers are 96 bits long when an FPU is present and 80 bits otherwise. Exceptions, such as dividing by zero or taking the square root of a negative number, do not cause an abort but are handled in a logically consistent manner. 1/0 produces the internal representation for infinity (INF). 1/(1/0) produces zero. The above treatment of 1/(1/0) occurs in an FPU-equipped machine even when SANE is bypassed and the FPU programmed directly. IBM Floating point numbers are 80-bits with a hardware FPU, 64-bits when emulated. The way they are handled is dependent on the coding of whatever compiler or assembler was used for a program. On older DOS complilers exceptions could cause program aborts; 1/0 and 1/(1/0) would abort to the DOS prompt at the point where they occured. Most present compilers handle this better. Result: there is little consistent handling of numbers between DOS, Windows and OS/2 programs nor between programs for just one OS. Networking [Includes printing] WYSIWYG printing can be a problem with either Mac of IBM machines especially if one sends TrueType fonts to a older style PostScript printer. Mac Hardware: Built-in LocalTalk network port and a built-in printer port. LocalTalk has moderate speeds (230.4 Kb/s) requires special connectors for each machine ($15 and up) and can be run off of either the printer port {to include very old macs} or the network port {standard today}. Built-in Ethernet is becoming common but many older Macs require a PDS or Nubus card at about $150-$300 for each machine. These cards provide three connectors and transceivers {thick, thin, and 10BaseT} for Ethernet. The Macintosh Quadra family and some Centris models includes Ethernet interface on motherboard, with transceivers available. TokenRing has been a network option since 1989. Software: AppleTalk {the suite of protocols} standard with Mac OS, which can use variety of media types. AppleShare client software included with the OS as well and can connect to file servers such as Novell Netware, 3Com 3+Open, Banyan Vines, DEC Pathworks, Apple's AppleShare servers, System 7 File Sharing machines, and AFP servers running on variety of UNIX hosts. MacTCP allows typical TCP/IP communications (telnet, ftp, NFS, rlogin). A later version will have Unix X/Open Transport Interface (XTI) built-in by the end of 1993 (MacWeek 04/12/93). Third-party software to connect to NFS servers. DEC Pathworks provides DECnet support. Peer-to-peer file sharing software built-in to System 7.1 (See OS section). Full server software is extra. Printing requires connection of the printer and the printer being selected in the chooser. Changing printers is by selecting a different name in the chooser. The same is true of connecting to servers. Printing bugs: Monaco TrueType font is different then the screen bitmap font. {QuickDraw QX is suppossed to fix this and similar problems.} IBM Hardware: LocalTalk [not widely used], Ethernet, and TokenRing. Software: Novell Netware, Banyan Vines, DECNet, Windows/Work Groups, AppleTalk protocols, and AppleShare {subset of AppleTalk}. Each of the MS-DOS networking schemes are, in general, totally incompatible with the others. Once you have chosen one, you are pretty much locked-in to that product line from then on. Windows/Work Groups is a little more forgiving and removes some of this problem. Novell Netware is the biggest, {~80 percent of the corporate market.} and in general is more powerful and offers better control/management/security than AppleShare, but it's also more complex to set up and manage. This will change due to the use of the Mac finder and file management system by Novell. (PC Week 12/14/92 & 12/28/92; InfoWorld Dec 14/92; MacWeek 3/22/93) Printing {Very OS dependent} DOS: If it's a single user, then you plug the printer into the parallel port, and don't worry about it {Tweeking may be needed with poorly written software}. Network Printing is not controlled by the system, but is mostly implemented by the actual program, therefore performance varies from one software program to the next. Windows 3.x: supports standard drivers and can do a good job of showing ""jobs"" in the print queue, but it always lists printers as ""active""... even if they are not. This becomes a problem if there are several incompatible printers on the same net, because there's no way for software to reliably determine which printer is active right now. Windows for Workgroups is more Mac-like and intelligent about this. OS/2: Mac-like; the os deals with printers, with apps making calls to the OS. Printing bugs: due to poor programing some programs for all the above OSes do not have WYSIWYG printing. This is the fault of the programs in question and not that of the OS involved. Price issue: This is very dynamic with Mac providing more build-in features than IBM and IBM being more 'get only what you need' then Mac and price wars by both worlds. The IBM machines' modualar nature prevents any kind of true hardware standarization, which in turn requires OSes and programs to be very complex to handle ALL the variation in hardware. When one adds all the standard Mac hardware features to an IBM {built-in input/output sound support, SCSI, PDS, built-in monitor support, built-in networking, standard mouse interface, and NuBus 90 in higher machines} the Mac tends to be cheaper then an equivalent equipted IBM machine {Especially since some IBM monitors can be used with Macs which cuts some more of the Mac's cost (MacUser Aug 1992:158-176)}. Some prices using some of the info in this sheet and MacUser April 1993. All Macs below come with a PDS slot, VRAM, and SCSI-1 built in. Except where noted, monitor is extra and a built-in monitor interface is provided {no card needed except for 24-bit color display}. IBM planned a $1,200 386SLC/25MHz model with a 60MB hard drive and color VGA monitor {~VRAM} (MacWeek 8/17/92) {sounds like a Color Classic without SCSI-1, sound support, built-in network support, FPU socket, built-in expansion to 16-bit color, etc}. Color Classic: $1,389 - 030/16MHz with 16-bit data bus {~386sx/20MHz equivalent}, 4/80, FPU socket, and built-in monitor. LCIII: $1,499 - 030/25MHz {~386dx/33MHz equivalent}, and 4/160. Centris 610: $2,899 - 68LC040/20MHz {Depending on the program ~486sx/40 or ~'486dx2sx'/20[40]MHz equivalent}, 8/230, built-in ethernet, 300i CD-ROM, a PDS/NuBus 90 slot and VRAM for 16-bit color. Centris 650: 040/25MHz {Depending on the program ~486dx/50 MHz or 486dx2/50 MHz equivalent} with a PDS and 3 NuBus 90 slots. $3,189 {ethernet, 8/80}; $3,559 {ethernet, 8/230}; $3,999 {ethernet, 8/230, CD-ROM, VRAM for 16-bit color} Bibliography notes 'Vaporware' is available in the digest/vapor directory by FTP on sumex- aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6] and was by Murphy Sewall {last issue: April 93.} 'Info-IBMPC Digest' back issues are available from wsmr-simtel20.army.mil in directory PD2: 'Dictionary of Computer Terms 3rd ed.' (ISBM 0-8120-4824-5) These are the facts as they were known to me on 4/15/93 and may be changed by new developments, announcements, or corrections. Corrections to the information are welcome. Please email corrections to CompuServe ID: 72130,3557 AOL: BruceG6069 Internet: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu Final note: Since there is NO comp.sys.ibm.pc.advocacy group this has been posted to the closest relevent groups {comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, comp.os.os2.advocacy, and comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc}. Also since some Mac vs IBM articles have been showing up in comp.sys.mac.hardware I have included that newsgroup in the posting. {Don't site the comp.sys.mac.* FAQ as a reason not to post to comp.sys.mac.hardware, since the FAQ itself does not follow internet guidelines, especially the de-facto ""[all] the FAQs for a newgroup hierarchy should be posted to ALL newsgroups in the hierarchy"" standard.} ""Eliminate the impossible and what ever remains, no matter how improbable, is the truth"" -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle through Sherlock Holmes in The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet, The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier, Sign of Four and The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans. ""The Computer is your friend""--Parinoia RPG " 7262,11,"From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 21 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: >And this means that the FBI will want to track the customer lists of >better encryption phones, because ""the only reason a person would want >one is to evade the police."" Then they'll probably also want to start tracking the customer lists of people purchasing SoundBlaster and similar boards, which can be configured with the use of some code and a modem, to act as a pretty decent digital-encrypting telephone. It's expensive, though, and kind of awkward. I don't know any drug lords, but I'm sure they'd favor something tappable over something secure as long as the user interface is nice. When you've got HRH Prince of Wales saying stupid things over cordless phones, it's not hard to imagine that drug dealers, child pornographers, commies, LISP programmers, and other threats to the civilized world might transact incriminating business over ""encrypting"" cellular phones. mjr. " 7263,16,"From: jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Interactive Media Group - University of Massachusetts at Lowell Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr16.171115.16812@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: -> Actually, the words ""A well regulated Milita, being necessary to the -> security of a free state"" is a present participle, used as an -> adjective to modify 'militia', which is followed by the main clause of -> the sentence, the subject being 'the right', the verb 'shall'. It -> asserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for -> maintaining a milita. -> a free state. Yes, I agree the first half of the amendment does modify the noun militia. But the difinition of modify that applies to how ""well regulated"" modifies ""militia"" is: to qualify or limit the meaning of. For example, ""wet"" modifes ""day"" in the phrase ""a wet day."" The amendment is similiar to the statement: A wet day, being annoying, the right of the people to keep and wear boots, shall not be infringed. So how does a dry day pertain the right to use boots? Similiar, what does the ""unorganized militia"" have to due with the right to own guns? -> The sentence [in the Second Amendment] doesn't restrict the right, or -> state or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other -> than the people. All it does is make a positive statement regarding a -> right of the people. The PEOPLE, as in you and me, as in the First, -> Fourth, Ninth, Tenth, as well as the Second amendment. -> The existence of this right is assumed - it is not granted by the -> amendment. There is no stated or implied condition relating the right -> to bear arms to the necessity of a well-regulated militia to the security of -> In other words, the entire sentence says that the right to keep and -> bear arms is UNCONDITIONAL. No not, unconditional, but ""shall not be infringed"". Infringed is defined as: To break or ignore the terms of or obligations (an oath, an agreement, law, or the like); to disreguard; violate. To go beyond the boundaries or limits; tresspass; encroach. This definition implies the following of some form of existing agreement. Laws and agreements are made in advance. Boundaries or limits of behavior are set by society as a whole. The word ""unconditional"" implies no agreements or all previous agreements are off, which is the opposite. The words used in the first amendment are much stronger, i.e., ""congress shall make no law,"" are much stronger. They clearly ^^^^^^^^^^^ imply ""unconditional."" If the writers of the amendment, wanted unconditional whay didn't they says, ""congress shall make no laws pertaining the the right of the people to keep and bear arms""? The second amendment implies a sort contract between the people the people and the state. The bigger part of the contract is the people have the right to overthrew the government and its laws at any time. To guarantee this right, the laws cannot stopped the people from forming a ""well regutaled militia."" The duties of a ""well regulated militia"" to the government are descussed in Federalist No. 29. And the limits of of the governmental control of the militia are descussed in Article I Section 8, Article II Section 2, and the Second Amendment of the constitution. -- +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | | ""If only it were a modern document, with a | | John Lawrence Rutledge | smart index and hyper links stretching all | | Research Assistant | through the world data net. It was terribly | | | frustrating to flip back and forth between | | Interactive Media Group | the pages and crude flat illustrations that | | Computer Science Department | never even moved. Nor were there animated | | UMass - Lowell | arrows or zoom-ins. It completely lacked a | | 1 University Ave. | for sound. | | Lowell, MA 01854 | ""Most baffling of all was the problem of new | | | words... In normal text you'd only have to | | (508) 934-3568 | touch an unfamiliar word and the definition | | jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu | would pop up just below."" | | | from David Brin's ""Earth"" | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ " 7264,9,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: My '93 picks (with only one comment) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 53 Distribution: na Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. Russell) writes: > psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes: > >Since I did so well last year, here's another shot at picking the winners > >and losers. I'll skip the commentary on why I picked who to finish where > >due to lack of time for flame wars 8^) > > > > Kansas City 25.0 > > I think KC has a much better shot at being in the top division than > the bottom. One word(Cone) should help things tremendously. I think > you are way off the mark here. Another word (offense) makes them my pick for last too. (Well, there's also my policy of never picking a Buck Rodgers' team for last) > > Florida 12.0 > > Chicago 20.0 > > I dont know if an expansion team has ever finished ""not last"" but I think > this year might be a first if it hasnt ever happened. The Cubs are worse The 1961 Angels were 1/2 game out of 7th. The Athletics and expansion Senators finished tied for last. The 1962 Colt 45's finshed 8th - ahead of the Cubs (the Mets were last). The 1969 Royals finshed 4th - ahead of the White Sox (the Pilots in last). The 1977 Mariners finished 6th - ahead of the Athletics(in last). Apparently being an expansion team with a poor A's or Chicago team around is a `good thing' > >National League West > > > Cincinnati ---- > > Houston 5.0 > > Atlanta 8.0 > ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees of > the 20's and 30's has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and years > to come) Braves. I don't think that the All-Star team will be able to beat This may be an appropriate comparison. The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing 18, 16 and 13-1/2 games out of first. In 1933,'34 and '35 they also finished second ( though they were only 7, 7 and 3 games out). Even great teams can lose - That's why they play the season. (on the other hand... I'm still picking the Braves to go all the way) john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman Predictions for '93: Marlins: 70 wins, Rockies: 50 wins and....Rockies fans will claim that the offense is adequate. " 7265,10,"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 144 >Post: 51213 of 51227 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) >Subject: Re: Plus minus stat... >Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, >Sudbury, ON Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:41:29 GMT >In <4LD32B2w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> >j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes: >>It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious >>'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major. >Perhaps it was Trottier. It happened behind the Habs goal if >I recall. Gainey simply didn't have his head up as he was >picking up the puck. >But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's >skill as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour's head >into the boards next week, will that diminish your assessment >of Gilmour's skills? >If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then >yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing >""technically"" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did, >that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely >ludicrous. Later on, in your posting, you make reference to ""putting words into other people's mouths""...I would suggest that your last paragraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I, along with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical mistake. If you actually read what I've written, you will find that I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well, you're contradicting yourself. >>>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things >>>to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the >>>pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >>>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne >>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri >>>Richard, Dick Duff...and so on... >>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. >Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >course, but to each his own... Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. >>I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included >>him >I think Gainey should feel honoured to know that he is >remembered at all. My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style of play. >>on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view >>about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part >>of >Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team. And that >is simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to >go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" >centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would >take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you >think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, himself, in nets? Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. >>any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their >>contribution...I think that most people understand that it's >>not the Nobel Prize...so settle down. >You're wrong again. The Selke is awarded to the forward that >does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the >best plugger. If Gilmour does the best defensive job in the >league I don't see why he should be out of the running simply >because he also contributes offen-sively. I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling that you've setup a ""You're wrong again"" macro key on your machine. I agree that my use of the word plugger is simplistic...but I think you know what I'm getting at. I would also like to point out that Gilmour's potential as a Selke-winner was never part of the debate...are you asking me for an opinion? If so, I think there are far too many other deserving players to include Gilmour among the candidates. >>Settle down? If you think that I have likened the Selke to the >>Nobel prize then I suggest that you had best ""settle down"". >>And if you are going to try to put words in my mouth, let me >>suggest that you ""settle down"" before you bother following up >>on my postings. I would suggest that your comment: ""And when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick Duff...and so on..."" demonstrates a blanket disregard for these individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. >>congenially, as always, >> >>jd >> >>-- >>James David >>david@student.business.uwo.ca >You might consider developing your own style. After all, >imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure >that flattery is not your intention. C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good laugh. congenially, as always, jd -- James David david@student.business.uwo.ca j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario " 7266,16,"Subject: thanks to poster of NY Times article on ATF in Texas From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Distribution: world Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 12 good job to whoever posted the article. I'd been saving that NYTimes edition for a while, planning to ytpe it in myself, but now I don't have to. For all of those people who were worried about whether or not the media would even question the raid, we owe it to the NY Times (despite their rabidly anti-gun editorials) for being willing to talk to these 4 BATF agents. -Case Kim " 7267,16,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 10 I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit shoot-to-kill directives. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. " 7268,3,"From: mars@carroll1.cc.edu (Sean Tyler Mars) Subject: Help: Blowing the stack Expires: 29 Apr 93 23:00:00 GMT Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI Lines: 25 Hi everyone, I have a question regarding my stack on my pc. I am programming in Turbo C 3.0 and my program is rather large (model large too). I keep getting errors that I am running out of memory after a while of running the program. When I compile the program, it says I have 4.45 meg of RAM so I can't seem to explain why it crashes. All it is doing is running in a loop while the operator is idle and after a while of sitting, it will screw up all the variables. This leads me to believe that my stack is filling up and overflowing. Does the program take memory up when it is calling void functions that do not return anything?? I have been working on this problem for days and I would really appreciate any responce. If this is not the correct newsgroup, I will gladly re-post, but this is the only I could find. Thanks in advance, Sean Mars Email mars@carroll1.cc.edu Carroll College Waukesha, WI " 7269,19,"From: ins559n@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) Subject: Re: 666 - MARK OF THE BEAST - NEED INFO Organization: Monash University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 14 (U28698@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote: : Marian CATHOLIC high school, outside of chicago: : : 666 south ASHLAND avenue. : Actually, Satanism is technically inverted Catholicism. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andrew Bulhak | :plonk: n. The sound of Richard Depew | | acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | hitting the ground after being | | Monash Uni, Clayton, | defenestrated by a posse of angry Usenet | | Victoria, Australia | posters. | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 7270,8,"From: gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning) Subject: stolen CBR900RR Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 12 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Summary: see above Stolen from Pasadena between 4:30 and 6:30 pm on 4/15. Blue and white Honda CBR900RR california plate KG CBR. Serial number JH2SC281XPM100187, engine number 2101240. No turn signals or mirrors, lights taped over for track riders session at Willow Springs tomorrow. Guess I'll miss it. :-((( Help me find my baby!!! kjg " 7271,1,"From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: Questions about Plane Eqn method of Hidden Surface removal Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 18 What are the main advantages of this method? I have seen it described, and the algiorithm seems a little bit long. I developed my own method, which requires that the points be in a counter-clockwise order, and returns whether you are looking at the back or the front, similar to the plane eqn method. It uses few calculations however, basically it is several comparisons. The only disadvantage I see is that it must be done after the transformation from view coordinates to coordinates to display on the screen, which means that a little more calculation isneeded beforehand. My method basically figures out whether the points that will appear on the screen are clockwise or counterclockwise. When looking at the back of something, the points occur in an opposite direction from the front, so merely by figuring out which way the points go, you can tell whether you are looking at the back or front of a 2d polygon. Has anyone heard of this method before? It is so simple, I doubt i am the first to think of it. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org " 7272,8,"From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) Subject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED -- HELP Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 9 What size dirtbikes did you ride? and for how long? You might be able to slip into a 500cc bike. Like I keep telling people, though, buy an older, cheaper bike and ride that for a while first...you might like a 500 Interceptor as an example Nathaniel ZX-10 DoD 0812 AMA " 7273,2,"From: bagoly@ludens.elte.hu Subject: PC/TCP onpredir with Windows Organization: Eotvos University, Budapest, Hungary Lines: 14 Hello, We are having troubles using the PC/TCP onpredir (printer redirection program with lpr support) with the Windows print manager. The onpredir simply waits an do only the capture till the end of the Windows session, while after some printer inactivity it should start the printing. Does anybody uses this two programs together? Thanks, Zsolt * Zsolt Bagoly Dept. of Atomic Physics, Eotvos University * * Budapest, Hungary * * E-mail: zsolt@hercules.elte.hu (ELTENET) * * bagoly@ludens.elte.hu (ELTENET, Internet) * " 7274,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 60 In article smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > > Team Biggest Biggest >Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley >Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?) >Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit >Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet Chelios is by far the MVP on Chicago... >Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov >Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby Manson, by his own admission, had a terrible year...the Oilers don't really have a team MVP...by default, it should go to Craig MacTavish. Shjon Podein was the biggest surprise...Tikkanen the biggest disappointment. >Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau >Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey >Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten Tinordi was back by mid-season last year...and when he plays he is the MVP. >Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard >New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean >New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois King had a great year last year also. >New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque How can Kovalev be a surprise? >Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek >Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund Fence-sitting...look at Philly's record with Eric and without... there is no doubt. Soderstrom is probably the biggest surprise. >Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr Tocchet had a near 100 point season in Philly with Mike Bullard as his center...why shouldn't he be able to do that with Mario? >Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson >San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley >St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter Really Joseph deserves the MVP nod. >Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper >Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson >Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso >Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik >Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce Gerald " 7275,4,"From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) Subject: Reseting LW IIg to factory defaults Organization: Mount Holyoke College Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: orixa.mtholyoke.edu I have a Laserwriter IIg that has disappeared completely from the Network, i.e. it's name doesn't show up in any zone. (You can print to it from it's serial interface, tho!) I have seen some discussion here about changing the zone a IIg is in... including some PS code that lets you change the zone. Is there maybe some PS code you can use to have it go back to all its factory default settings? I have a feeling that's what needed to heal ours. -- Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu | Vending machines SHOULD respond to a [finger] South Hadley, MA, USA | request with a list of all items currently --Unix is dead, long live Unix-- | available for purchase... -RFC1288 " 7276,5,"From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.UK (Yuri Rzhanov) Subject: REPOST: XView slider Organization: The Internet Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert Hi Xperts, this is a repost (no one responded to my desperate yell 8-( I can't believe there is no XView wizards any more 8-)... I'm using sliders in my XView apps, usually with editable numeric field. But I seem to have no control over the length of this field. In some apps it appears long enough to keep several characters, in some - it cannot keep even the maximum value set by PANEL_MAX_VALUE! As I understand, PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, which controls number of characters to be displayed in text items, doesn't work in the case of slider, despite the fact that contains the following bit: /* Panel_multiline_text_item, Panel_numeric_text_item, * Panel_slider_item and Panel_text_item attributes */ PANEL_NOTIFY_LEVEL = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_ENUM, 152), PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_INT, 182), which gives a hint that this attribute can be used for sliders. But 1) setting this attribute gives nothing, and 2) xv_get'ting this attribute gives warning: Bad attribute, and returns value 0. Strange thing is that DEC's port of XView gives plenty of space in a text fields, but not Sun's Xview... Can someone share his experience in managing sliders in XView with me, and clear this problem? Any help is very much appreciated. Yuri yuri@uk.ac.hw.phy " 7277,5,"From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Organization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC Lines: 65 In a prior article naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov) writes: > Hey guys! > I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname > to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only > when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear > as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. > How can I do it? [Apologies if I'm answering something already answered in the FAQ. Our news feed has been losing a lot of articles lately - so I haven't seen the FAQ lately to check.] Two ways: 1) When you start the xterm, you can use command line options: -n ICON_NAME To set the icon label -T WINDOW_TITLE To set the window title -title WINDOW_TITLE Equivalent to -T WINDOW_TITLE 2) You can use escape sequences to change things on the fly: The basic escape sequence is: ESC ]

; BEL where ESC and BEL are the ASCII ESCAPE and BELL characters,

is an ASCII decimal digit -- '2', '1', or '0', depending on whether you are trying to set the window or icon title, or both, and is your desired label string. Hence, this command will set the window & icon title: echo ""\033]0;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\007\c"" To set just the icon title: echo ""\033]1;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\007\c"" To set just the window title: echo ""\033]2;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\007\c"" Of course, you may have to fiddle with exact syntax, depending on how the echo command works on your system and what shell you are using (I've shown System-V semantics under Bourne or Korn shells). [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of /bin/echo or Csh's built-in echo. Otherwise you'll have to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string instead of using convenient octal sequences.] If you want your titlebar updated continously, say to show your current directory, hostname, or somesuch, then you'll have to see if you can coerce your shell into spitting out the appropriate escape sequences when it prompts for commands. Sometimes you can just put the appropriate escape sequence in the prompt string itself, sometimes not ... +-------------------------------------------------------+------- /// -----+ | Mark Lanzo KD4QLZ lanzo@tekelec.com 919-460-5576 | \\\/// | +-------------------------------------------------------+---- \XX/ -------+ " 7278,5,"From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon) Subject: Motif++ mailing list - is there any interest ? Originator: rvloon@midas.cv.ruu.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: midas.cv.ruu.nl Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group Lines: 26 Hello Motif World, a few days ago I posted my announcement for an update of Motif++. I got several requests to send the bindings per e-mail, and I know of several people who have been using Motif++, and there are probably a number of people I am not aware of who are also using Motif++. My question is: How many people 'out there' would be interested to join a mailing-list, where people can ask questions about Motif++, swap stories, and give new ideas about new directions and improvements for the bindings. This would benefit the user-community, as well as give me more insight in what people would like to see added to Motif++. Motif++ is still very much a voluntary project, and this way I can make a list of priorities, in what order things should be added, or changed. If you're interested in joining such a mailing-list, please take the time to reply to this message, and tell me so. When there is sufficient interest, say about 20 people or more, a mailing-list will be set up at my site, and I will post the announcement of the newly-created list to this and other newsgroups. -- Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice. 3DCV Group, Utrecht | The Netherlands | In practice however, there is. " 7279,2,"From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) Subject: Turbo C++ Visual Edition adn request was Re: absolute newbie questions... Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN. Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey In-reply-to: wiggins@buttercup.cs.odu.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 06:16:54 GMT In article wiggins@buttercup.cs.odu.edu (Samuel E Wiggins) writes: >BTW, how would you rate the new ""Borland Turbo C++ Visual Edition for >Windows,"" anyone? Time for a new discussion, maybe ? I asked in these groups some time ago what about the TC++/VE, and got no answers, so I decided to try. My brother who lives in the US bought and sent it to me, and I'm still trying to get used to it. Before I put my good/bad points list, consider I am a Turbo Pascal/DOS programmer, and sometimes try to make something in Unix with C (just some exercises from university). I used to make some programs in Microsoft C version 5 (!!) because we used some third-party libraries that required that. - I like Borland. It seems to me much more easier to use than Microsoft, specially the debugger. I tried to learn Codeview sometimes, but never felt confortable with it. - TC++ V/E seems very nice to create simple apps, like the examples on the ObjectWindows book. So far, no problems. Lets see next week or so, when I will try something more complex. - It works nice even in my ""weak"" machine 386/16Mhz, 6 Mb Ram. But..... - The manual for the Resource Workshop seems to be from a different version from the Workshop itself. Some of the windows that appear on the manual have more itens than in the manual. - I think I will run into trouble since I got this TC++/VE from my brother as a present. I didnt wanted to buy the Japanese version because 1) I suspect that the manuals will be in Japanese :-( and 2) I believe it will be far more expensive here. So he bought it as a present and sent to me, I send the registration card to the Japanese branch of Borland, but... who knows. So, I'd like to ask some questions for you all; - I know that there are some Microsoft guys around here in this group. Is there anybody from Borland ? Is there any e-mail address that we can contact the technical support ? Not for stupid questions, but to ask for example, why the RW manual seems to be different from the RW itself ? - Is there anybody else using it around here ? - Will the book of Petzold be useful for me ? I intend to use RW and ProtoGen to make the interfaces and then work on the code itself. Answers to my e-mail or comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools, please. Thanks in advance, Rafael. " 7280,5,"From: duvvuri@flashflood.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash) Subject: Pointer..Xlib Nntp-Posting-Host: flashflood.cs.odu.edu Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va Lines: 26 Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed I am new to Xlib replies will be greatly appreciated Thank you Prakash < duvvuri@cs.odu.edu > " 7281,16,"From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Illinois Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: > >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > >> in Texas. > > > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. > Microwaves don't work very well with no electricity Mr Engineer. > -- > <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> > <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> -- | Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu | | University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 | | ""If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit | | training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war"" | " 7282,3,"From: joedal@dfi.aau.dk (Lars Joedal) Subject: 80386 and 80486: What's the difference? Nntp-Posting-Host: dfi.aau.dk Organization: Aarhus University, Denmark Lines: 31 Except from clock frequency, what are the differences between the various types of 386 and 486 processors? The following is a list with what I know (or perhaps only what I think I know!). Can anybody extend & correct? 80386: True 32 bit processor. (cache?) 80386SX: Emulates 80386 with a 16 bit bus. 80486: True 32 bit processor. Internal mathematical coprocessor (Correct?) Internal cache (Correct? How big?) (extended instruction set in any way?) 80486SX: Probably sorta like 80486... 80486DX: Probably sorta like 80386... Well, it's not much, but I'm sure there is a lot of people out there who can add a lot of information. Post or email as you prefer. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars J|dal | Q: What's the difference between a quantum | | email: joedal@dfi.aau.dk | mechanic and an auto mechanic? | | Physics student at the | A: A quantum mechanic can get his car into | | University of Aarhus | the garage without opening the door. | | Denmark | -- David Kra | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 7283,4,"From: ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu) Subject: Help! How to test SIMMs? Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 10 Hello, I just got some SIMMs, at least one of which does not work. I don't know if there is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the RAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead SIMM into an LC or an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on the screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance Yih-Tyng ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 7284,14,"From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) Subject: Re: Atlas revisited Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: sci Lines: 8 I found it very interesting that Atlas depended on pressure to maintain tank geometry....leads me to the question: ? have any of the SSTO concepts explored pressurized tankage such that the launch configuration would be significantly different from the reentry one? I have long been facinated by pnumatic structures as conceived and built by Frei Otto and others, a ""ballon"" tank SSTO sounds very clever. " 7285,12,"From: billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) Subject: Re: Radio Shack Battery of the Month Club Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 18 donrm@sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery) writes: >Radio Shack has canceled their ""Battery of the Month"" Club. Does >anyone know why? >They say they'll honor existing cards in customer hands, but no new >cards will be issued. I was told that this is an environmental based move. I was also told that there will be 'somthing' else to replace the battery club. Like maybe the 360K floppy club ;-). We'll see .... -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Bill Quinn billq@ms.uky.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* " 7286,7,"From: madman@austin.ibm.com (Steve Heracleous) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: madman@suave.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 20 This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time. The ""breeding"" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent. My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back. The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before having trashed the car. On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! Steve Heracleous " 7287,1,"From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 16 In <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: >Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company >that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took >hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, >so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. The article didn't say anything about copyrights. Louis -- I'm hanging on your words, Living on your breath, Feeling with your skin, Will I always be here? -- In Your Room [ DM ] " 7288,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: SI clock reports Summary: Request for SI clock poll Keywords: SI,clock,upgrade,oscillator,chip Article-I.D.: shelley.1qokppINNree Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I am continuing to collect user results to produce a more comprehensive report on IIsi clock oscillator upgrades. I you have attempted the modification please drop me a note with details of your experience. The more reports obtained, the more accurate the numbers I will generate. If possible, please include the following: 1) Top speed achieved 2) System configuration at top Mhz setting a) speed rating of the CPU (the last two digits printed on CPU #) b) presence of additional heat sinks c) Nubus & FPU cards used d) floppy drive functionality on both 800 and 1.4 M disks 3) Damage incurred during modification 4) Damage due to higher speed use 5) Average length of time the CPU is on. (i.e. 8 hours a day) 6) Unusual other modifications to the usual procedure Guy Kuo " 7289,10,"From: wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands) Subject: request for video in Pittsburgh area Keywords: Sunday afternoon Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 11 There was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins' season on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening game against the Devils on Sunday. I only turned it on in time to watch the credits. If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow it to dub it, I would appreciate it. I would be willing to come pick it up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer. Please respond via e-mail. Thanks a lot. Oh yeah. Was it any good? -Billy " 7290,16,"From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) Subject: Re: Govs. Florio, Wilder Hit Airwaves In Support of Brady Bill Nntp-Posting-Host: taos Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr5.015209.29431@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.231109.23378@msc.cornell.edu> srussell@msc.cornell.edu (Stephen Russell) writes: |> >ObGuns: I'm moving to Arizona; everyone carries guns there. If I don't, what |> >are the approximate probabilities that I'll get shot by the end of six months? |> |> Under 1 in 20,000 assuming FBI statistics are meaningfull. Of course, if you're a criminal, or hang around with criminals, or flash large wads of cash in the wilder parts of town, or utter verbal bigotry in the right public places, your chances of being shot are much higher. Avoiding these behaviors, on the other hand, decreases your chances of being shot. Something like 60% of all murders are criminals killing criminals. Over 90% of murders are committed by people with a prior *known* history of violence. Simplistic moral, suitable for my three year old, and most inane posters: ""Bad people do bad things - repeatedly."" -- Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) " 7291,6,"From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang) Subject: Video Title Maker for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 37 Videonics Title maker System ============================ about 2 monthes old, used only once. includes: 1) character generator model # TM-1 rez: 720x480 8000 available chars. 12 fonts stereo sound over a million different colors available. 20 special effects full keyboard design mail me for more details. 2) Thums Up Video Editor model # TU-1 marks differnent sections of tape as ""thumbs up"" or ""thumbs down"" so you can skip the bad parts on tape. built-in video enhancer for copying tapes or viewing them. automatic fader (switchable) use in combination w/ the above unit both units in EXCELLENT condition, comes with all docs, unregistered warranty cards. J&R music world sells these for $399 and $229, respectively. i am asking $500 for both units. email me at pchang@ic.sunysb.edu if you are interested. -- ********************************************************************** C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook E_ngineer ********************************************************************** " 7292,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr16.121720.13017@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com ( Russ Anderson) writes: > >In article <15378@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >> >> From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: >> >> Male sex survey: Gay activity low >> >> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough >> examination of American men's sexual practices published since >> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 >> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and >> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. > >Actually, what the study shows is that 2 percent of the men surveyed >*said* they engaged in homosexual sex and 1 percent *said* they >considered themselves exclusively homosexual. > Yes, and of course the Kinsey Report taken 50 years ago in much more liberal times regarding homosexuality......... >The point being that what people say and what they acutally do >may be different. > >It is interesting that this clip from the newspaper did not >mention that difference. Maybe it is conservative media bias. :-) > Or smart enough to realize that that argument would have to apply to every survey regarding homosexuality. Therefore, they would look stupid. (Actually, Idid see Bryant Gumble bring that point up. Hee, hee). > The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday >> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than >> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional >> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. > Ryan " 7293,4,"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 40 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT > When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, > particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines > appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open > windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a > window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away > the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not > observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple > monitor with 256 colors is used. > > I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has > been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. I'm having exactly the same problem. Again, it's fine when I switch to 16 colors or a smaller monitor. My configuration is: Model: Centris 610 with 4 MB/80 HD, 512 VRAM, no cards Monitor: MAG MX15F with 16"" monitor adaptor (for resolution of 832*624) I just discovered the problem a little while ago after plugging in my new MAG monitor. It seems to appear either when scrolling through a window or when using Alpha or Word and I enter . My guess is bad VRAMs as well. I really hope it isn't a design flaw. Is anyone at Apple listening? Pushpinder Singh push@media.mit.edu *********************************** Try finding an init called Basic color monitor. This should clear up some probs with Centris 610's and vga type monitors. I know it exists, somewhere I have a binhexed copy, but I don't know where and never got around to installing it. I have this problem on my sony 1604. -A. " 7294,14,"From: msmilor@skat.usc.edu (Mark Smilor) Subject: Summer Internships Article-I.D.: skat.1psaifINNfc5 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu Hi Folks not exactly certain if this is the best place to ask, but I am searching for a summer internship in engineering. I will be graduating in early May with a B.S. in aerospace engineering and then pursuing my Masters this Fall .Does anyone know of anything that is available, I am in the process of applyi ng to some of the larger companies (ie. MacDac, Martin Marietta, Lockheed. If a nyone knows of anything I would appreciate it if you could mail it to me. Thanks in advance Mark Smilor msmilor@skat.usc.edu or smilor@aludra.usc.edu " 7295,3,"From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu In article westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes: >I have just installed a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card in >a '486DX2-66 system with 256K cache, and 16 megs of memory, >that gets about a 126 SI 6.0 CPU Benchmark rating. Using >the 1024x768x16 color driver under Windows, I am getting a >Winbench Winmarks rating of only about 9.5 Million. Since >I have heard that others get 15-to-16 million for this card, >I assume that something is very wrong with my setup. >What are some possible causes of the card slowing down like this? Most importantly, which Winbench version are you using? On my local bus ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, I've gotten various Winbench scores from 15.8 million to 31 million winmarks, depending on the version. Winbench 2.5 gives the most optimistic scores, 3.11 gives the least. A winmark rating is meaningless without a corresponding version number. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ " 7296,4,"From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) Subject: 8*24 card questions Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 31 I'm considering buying one of these to offload the internal video in my IIci and to get 24 bit color capability on my 13"" monitor. What's the deal on them? 1) Do they come with varying amounts of RAM? If so, what is the max and min? How much do I need for 640 x 480 x 24 bits? 2) What bit depths are supported? One, 2, 4, 8, 16, and 24? 3) Are all these cards accelerated or just some? Is it true that modern accelerated video cards are (at least in general) faster? What bit depths are accelerated, all or just 24 bit? I've heard that some applications actually run *slower* with this card if they write directly to the screen (or something like that). Is this a frequent problem? How much slower is it? 4) Didn't I read (when System 7 first came out) that the card was incompatible? If so, how was this corrected (Finder patch, some INIT, or other)? Has it been kept compatible with 7.1? Are there many other apps that it is incompatible with (games or important (i.e., non- Microsloth) apps, for example)? 5) If you have a strong opinion on it's value for someone in my position, let me know what you think a reasonable price is to pay for it. Thanks a lot for you input. Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these. The early bird got worms. " 7297,4,"From: tjacobs@bvsd.Co.EDU (S. Tyler Jacobs) Subject: Centris610 problem. Nntp-Posting-Host: bvsd.co.edu Organization: Boulder Valley School District Lines: 10 The problem is this: After starting up my machine it gives a high pitched sound once at the desktop also it only does it when the mouse is up or a menu is not showing. as if I click the mouse the noise goes away for the amount of time the mouse is down. also this problem only happens for about 5-10 minutes. please let me know if you know what this is, it sounds like it is coming form the power supply. Please Post here and Email me: tjacobs@bvsd.co.edu Thanks! " 7298,15,"From: bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: The University of Liverpool Lines: 22 Joe Kellett (jkellett@netcom.com) wrote: [bits deleted] > I am told that Planned Parenthood/SIECUS-style ""values-free"" methods, that > teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make ""choices"", > actually _increase_ pregnancy rates. I posted a long article on this a while > back and will be happy to email a copy to any who are interested. [...] > The same research produced the results that abstinence-related curricula > were found to _decrease_ pregnancy rates in teens. I assume that it is > reasonable to assume that the AIDS rate will fluctuate with the pregnancy > rate. I'd be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article! On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy, contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy is false. The US, which I'd guess has one of the largest proportion of ""non-liberal"" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates. (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.) -- Bruce Stephens bruce@liverpool.ac.uk " 7299,5,From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine) Subject: subscribe Organization: The Internet Lines: 1 To: expert@expo.lcs.mit.edu subscribe grape@nswses.navy.mil 7300,9,"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: '61 Orioles Trivia Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 6 Bunker & McNally were later. Pappas, Estrada, Steve Barber, and . . . ? Jay " 7301,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.204743.21314 Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu You're right ... I'm sick of seeing all those white guys on skates myself ... the Vancouver Canucks should be half women, and overall one-third Oriental. (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; And I'll gladly volunteer myself for the overage draft. (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 7302,2,"From: kaul@watson.ibm.com Subject: DMQS files for XGA-2 (was Re: CatsEye/X XGA-2! (extra modes?)) News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 557 Reply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: kaul.bocaraton.ibm.com Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research (NOTE: The followups are set to comp.os.os2.misc. DMQS files describe monitors and valid modes to be used by the XGA-2 under both Windows and OS/2.) THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED! IBM has nothing to do with these files or this post. It's personal this time (and every time I post -- see the signature). Due to demand and requests, here are some additional DMQS files I've collected for the XGA-2. These files function with the latest revision of the drivers for the XGA-2. Not all these files will work under Windows with the drivers available to the general public at this time. All files will function under the most recent OS/2 2.1 beta and those I've tried have worked under OS/2 2.0+SP. Not all files have been fully tested. THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED! They represent a personal collection, not anything resembling an officially supported set. As a standard disclaimer I would like to point out the following facts: 1) Some of these files may run your adapter out of spec. Doing so can stress the ICs on the card and may result in incorrect operation or in shorter life (how short depends on how much out of spec [boom!] :-). 2) Some of these files may run your adapter in a region that is out of spec for your monitor, resulting in damage to your monitor. 3) You should be knowledgable about your monitor and adapter's ability to use the mode you select. Using these files represents hacking in a very true sense, so practice safe computing and don't play around too much if you don't like the risks and aren't knowledgable about what you're doing. 4) If you feel uncomfortable with all the warnings, use the DMQS files you have or wait until IBM releases official, tested DMQS files. Although you should be aware of warning 2) even with the IBM files. THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED! By using them you may invalidate your warrenty. Not all have been fully tested -- I don't have that many monitors. Installation: unpack in your DMQSPATH environment variable, usually c:\xga$dmqs. Then use the methods described in your XGA-2 installation diskette to change your adapter or settings. Packing: these files have been packed with the latest INFOZIP utility. You will need PKZip 2.x if you don't have the INFOZIP utilities. Submitting: feel free to send me uuencoded versions of your favorite DMQS files for your favorite monitors. I'm always interested in collecting more. 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" 7303,5,"From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) Subject: Re: imake - help needed Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de In article <1993Apr20.101306.21536@def.bae.co.uk>, paul@def.bae.co.uk (Paul Byrne) writes: |> Can someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN |> OPENWINDOWS |> enviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not |> find any clues. Sun's OpenWindows imake is broken. I suggest installing imake-pure, MIT's X11R5 imake. You can get it from ftp.germany.eu.net in file /pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (117807 Byte). -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund " 7304,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: DeConcini -- ten years ago and today Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 120 Dennis Deconcini, 1982 ...In these and similar areas, the Bureau has violated not only the dictates of common sense, but of 5 U.S.C. Sec 552, which was intended to prevent ""secret lawmaking"" by administrative bodies. These practices, amply documented in hearings before this Sub- committee, leave little doubt that the Bureau has disregarded rights guaranteed by the constitution and laws of the United States. It has trampled upon the second amendment by chilling exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by law-abiding citizens. It has offended the fourth amendment by unreasonably search- ing and seizing private property. It has ignored the Fifth Amendment by taking private property without just compensation and by entrapping honest citizens with- out regard for their right to due process of law. The rebuttal presented to the Subcommittee by the Bureau was utterly unconvincing. Richard Davis, speaking on behalf of the Treasury Department, asserted vaguely that the Bureau's priorities were aimed at prosecuting willful violators, particularly felons ille- gally in possession, and at confiscating only guns actually likely to be used in crime. He also asserted that the Bureau has recently made great strides toward achieving these priorities. No documen- tation was offered for either of these assertions. In hearings before BATF's Appropriations Subcommittee, however, expert evidence was submitted establishing that approximately 75 percent of BATF gun prosecutions were aimed at ordinary citizens who had neither criminal intent nor knowledge, but were enticed by agents into unknowning technical violations. ( Exerpt from: 97th Congress; 2d Session COMMITTEE PRINT T H E R I G H T T O K E E P A N D B E A R A R M S REPORT of the SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION of the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY UNITED STATES SENATE NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION FEBRUARY, 1982 Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 88-618 O WASHINGTON : 1982 Letter to Constituent: April 1993 Thank you for contacting me regarding the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), which is the Federal law enforcement agency with jurisdiction over firearms violations and regulations. It has been my experience as chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Treasury, Postal Service and General Government which funds ATF, that ATF is one of the most competent and highly professional law enforcement agencies in the Federal government. The agents of ATF have proven their value again and again in successful, legal operations to curb the unlawful possession and use of firearms, especially in the area of drug-related crimes. It enforces the Armed Career Criminal Act which calls for mandatory minimum sentences for repeat felons using firearms to carry out an illegal activity. The Bureau has made itself a key component in preventing gang related violence, also, both by educating at-risk youth to the dangers of gang membership as well a s by depriving known gangs from access to weapons. The Waco, Texas case involved the execution of search warrants by ATF on the Branch Davidians for illegal firearms and explosives possession (automatics, semi-automatics, and machine-guns, in addition to bombs and other explosives.) In virtually every gun case, ATF is asked to trace weapons through its' National Firearms Tracing Center, where they keep all dealer and Federal firearms license information. ATF is the Federal governments' firearms expert and routinely works with state and local police to execute warrants. ATF, working with state and local law enforcement in Texas and the U.S. Attorneys' office felt it was necessary to execute these warrants in order to legally establish that a crime had been committed and conclude a long and thorough investigation of illegal gun and explosives held by members of the Branch Davidians. In addition, ATF carefully selected a Sunday morning, knowing from their source, inside, that the men would be separated from the women and children and not in the area where it was known that the illegal weapons were stored. As you may be aware by now, Vernon Howell a.k.a. David Koresh spiritual leader of the Branch Davidians was tipped of the impending execution of the search warrants. Unfortunately, ATF lost the element of surprise and the cult was able to arm themselves and prepare for ATFs' entry into the compound. Once a hostage situation presented itself, the ATF asked the FBI to become involved since the FBI is skilled in hostage negotiations. In addition, and military tanks were brought in due to the serious nature of the situation and firepower of the Branch Davidians. Based on what I have learned about ATF's role in the Branch Davidian raid, I believe the agency acted responsibly. I am, however, deeply saddened by the loss of lives of the 4 law enforcement agents who attempted to enter the compound and the civilian members of the cult. I fully expect the Department of Treasury to conduct a thorough evaluation with representatives from law enforcement outside the Department to be headed by the Assistant Secretary for Enforcement. In addition, ATF will conduct its' own review of the Waco operation. I look forward to reviewing the findings of the evaluators and hope this situation in Waco will be brought to a quick and peaceful conclusion. Sincerely, Dennis DeConcini Chairman Subcommittee on Treasury, Postal Service and General Government April 7, 1993 -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 7305,19,"From: Whitten@Fwva.Saic.Com (David Whitten) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation Lines: 20 caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) writes: >There evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with Mithras. I >have often wondered if Yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to >expand the appeal of his religion, or if it was appropriated by later >worshipers. > You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was very similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very Jewish ritual. The fact that there appears to be an abuse in the early Church of people eating too much (a very real concern with some Passover meals) and not treating the meal with respect, shows the simplifying of the ritual to just bread and wine to be a way of dealing with the inherent problems of people's human nature, and trying to keep the essentials of the remembrance aspects. David (whitten@fwva.saic.com) US:(619)535-7764 [I don't speak as a company rep.] " 7306,9,"From: m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo1.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University Lines: 18 I haven't been following the previous HR's. But there are two, that I saw live that would have to be up there (up where? there!). 1) Rick Monday's HR to bury the Expos in the NL championship in 1981. It was hit off Steve Rogers, who is a RHP and primarily a starter. Why was he used as a reliever when the 'Spos had Reardon and BillLee warming up in the bullpen. Considering Monday couldn't touch LHP, Lee would have been a safe bet. He wasn't even doing any drugs at that time (or so he told me and around 50 others on a recent venture into Montreal. The blast wasn't the important aspect. It was the timing. Seventh game, a tie game, and in the top of the 9th. The Expos almost came back though... 2) Mike Schmidt hit one that killed the Expos in 1980. So close, yet, so far. and 3) Strawberry killed a pitch on the second day of the season a couple of years ago. It went off the technical ring in the Big O. It almost left the stadium! That was hit HARD!!! CorelMARK! " 7307,3,"From: tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (ben elliston) Subject: Possible FAQ question about a UART Lines: 25 Organization: Compact Solutions, Canberra ACT Australia > Hello, my question is could someone E-mail me the > names of manufactures > of the 16550 and predecsor UARTs. I have only seen National Semiconductor are one that I know of. Cheers, Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ben Elliston Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Engineering) University of Canberra Email: tp923021@jarrah.canberra.edu.au Also: ellib@cbr.cpsg.com.au UUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!sserve.adfa.oz.au!compsol!root FidoNet: 3:620/262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If a train station is where the train stops, what's a workstation?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Origin: % Compact Solutions % Canberra ACT Australia % (3:620/262) " 7308,6,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: soft contact lens cleaning unit (heater) Summary: Barnes-Hind timer heating unit for boiling soft lenses Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: na Lines: 17 My girlfriend switched to gas-permeable hard lenses and no longer needs a one year old soft contact lens cleaning unit. It's one of those where you pop in the lens case filled with solution and the lenses, press the lighted timer button and let it cook. No stains (of course -- if you've owned one of these, you understand), maybe a little dust on the cover. Best cash offer, or equivalent worth in used CD's or Betamax tapes (some blanks or a couple of pre-recorded movies/concerts). gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 7309,4,"From: lgorbet@triton.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) Subject: Re: Floptical Question Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu In article bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Lee Myers, Jr.) writes: >...the last time I looked, floptical disk >weren't all that cheap, ($30 per floptical disk = $1.40 per megabyte, $60 >per sysquest is $1.36 per megabyte). Flopticals have been available since the beginning of the year at $25 per floptical (= $1.20 per megabyte), and I have seen them advertised in MacWEEK at $20 (< $1.00 per megabyte). For someone on a tight budget, the fact that the minimal dollar increment for more storage is less---$25 versus $60---sometimes matters. " 7310,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500343:000:3194 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:50:00 1993 Lines: 66 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods. /* Written 4:38 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press: Nazi methods."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS Newspaper: Ha'aretz Date: 14 February1993 Author: Gideon Levi Subject: NAZI methods in Gaza Title: In the neighborhood of Hope, among the rubble (Excerpts) Mahmoud Jowara'r stared at me long and sadly: ""I worked my entire life in order to built that house and this is what is left"". Only TV could transmit the full sadness of his face. ""You say that we teach our children to hate you, but what do you expect to happen to a child who sees this ?"" And once again he wraps himself in a lengthy silence, his face crumbling into weeping. Mahmoud stood in the field of rubble that was once his home. The term 'dispossession' has an absolute meaning here. Nothing is left of what he accumulated during his entire life, only the rubble of a house and shreds of belongings. Once again Khan Yunis. Once again demolished homes. Last Thursday there was a search for wanted people here. Once again the IDF forces employed the new method, fired and bombed and shot missiles and placed explosives. Already three times during the past weeks I have gone out to see the destruction and each time I was more horrifying scenes. This time they hit the largest number of houses, 17 according to the IDF estimate, ten of them completely demolished. But not only that: the method has also become more brutal. Three weeks ago, in Tufah neighborhood in Gaza, the residents were still told to remove their valuables from their homes. This time the army skipped that part; three weeks ago the handcuffed men, inhabitants of the demolished homes, were supplied with some water and one apple during the 12 hours they had to stand. This time there was only water. Three weeks ago they were even allowed to go out to the toilet. This time the soldier just gold them: Piss and shit in your pants. And thus, last Thursday, some 45 men stood for about 12 hours, their hands bound behind their backs, their eyes blindfolded, without food, with wet pants on their legs and a terrible feeling of humiliation in their hearts, listening to the sounds of the explosions destroying their homes, one after the other. (...) Dr. Juma'a Fuad Said al-Rubi. the brother from Saudi Arabia, emerges from among the ruins. Ten days ago he arrived for a family visit, mainly in order to celebrate the housewarming with his father and brothers. On Thursday he was handcuffed like everyone else for 12 hours, and later went with everyone to view the destrucion. He tried to explain that he was a visitor and that he is a physician, but only got a shove. Like all the rest he also urinated in his pants, while standing with his hands bound and his eyes blindfolded for the entire day. Juma'a al-Rubi studied medicine at Cairo University, and for ten years he has been treating wealthy Saudis in Medina. His wife and four children remained there. Now his documents have been lost and he does not know how he will return to them. ""There is no humanity"", stated the physician from Saudi Arabia. " 7311,2,"From: hamish@cloud.apana.org.au (Hamish Moffatt) Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows Organization: Cloud Nine BBS, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 53 jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes: > I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3 > with IRQ5. I don't believe IRQ5 is the problem. I tried a mouse on COM3, IRQ4 (the usual place) and it still did not like it. Simply, Windows seems to only support mice on COM1 or COM2. The funny part is, though, that Microsoft's own mouse driver (8.xx) was quite happy with my mouse sitting on COM3. Why can't Windows use the mouse driver, or at least support COM3? :-) > COM2Irq=3 > COM3Irq=5 > COM4Irq=7 > MaxComPort=4 I've tried this too. Actually, I wanted to be able to use my second modem (COM3/IRQ5) from Windows. It still will not talk to that modem. I created two profiles, AMSTRAD (for my Amstrad modem on COM1/IRQ4) and MAESTRO (for my Maestro on COM3/IRQ5). It will not talk to the Maestro at all. > (1,5106830617) that their driver does not support COM3 and COM4 in windows. > Their suggestion was that the 'MicroSoft or PS/2' setting in windows > setup would work. It does not. Nor here. (Windows 3.0). > I can not believe that it is not possible. At worst, you would need a special > version of 'a' mouse driver that looked at COM3 and COM4 instead of COM1 > and COM2. I know that IRQ5 and IRQ7 are normally printer port IRQs, but I I've seen nothing like that. I've experimented with Logitech's mouse driver too, with no sucess. > have no printers attached. A side note is that I would really like to assign > COM4 to some higher IRQ, because my SoundBlaster board uses IRQ7 (right now, > I'm not using COM4), but no modem that I know of allows settings other than > IRQs 2,3,4,5, and 7. If you have a SoundBlaster Pro, it should support IRQ10 as well. Finally, a board that supports IRQs >9. The only one I have (except my IDE controller). hamish Hamish Moffatt, hamish@cloud.apana.org.au APANA: The Australian Public Cloud Nine BBS, 3:635/552@fidonet Access Network Association. Melbourne Australia 58:4100/43@intlnet Mail info@apana.org.au Titanic Software. Voice: +61-3-803-1326 for information. " 7312,1,"From: noble@possum.den.mmc.com (Joe A Noble) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.den.mmc.com tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes: >Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote: >: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of >: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading >: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 >: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts >: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum >: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? >: Just curious. >: Daemon >What he said... >-- Ditto here too... >TMC >(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) -- __/ / _ __ Joe noble@pogo.den.mmc.com /_ / /__ / /__ /__ / ... all the beauty of a dying vulture... _/ ____/ _/ _/ ___/ _/ _/ ...the smile of the truly stupid... " 7313,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Quadra Clock Chipping Works Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Summary: Quadra Clock Chip Swap Success Keywords: Quadra,clock,accelerate After reading reports from Germany of success in accelerating a Quadra or Centris simply by changing the clock oscillator, I decided to test the claim. I pulled out my Variable Speed Overdrive and the motherboard's 50 mhz clock chip. I put a socket in the clock's place and inserted a 64 mhz TTL clock oscillator I had left over from working on some SI's. I can't believe it. It actually works. I'm not getting SCSI timing errors either. This is only after a short run time but I'll keep posting results. Did I spend all that money on the VSO for nothing? If this keeps working, the lack of a double boot in itself will be worth the effort. Guy Kuo " 7314,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Distribution: inet Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 19 In article <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu>, shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) writes: > Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out > to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And > archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists, > radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to > get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center > bombers made in the past year. > > Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why > wouldn't it happen? Apart from the storage and search requirements, because the evidence is inadmissible: wiretaps require a warrant. And as soon as one such case comes to light, all previous cases are likely to be discovered, and thrown out. There was an article in the NY Times a few months ago about how many convictions in the state might be invalidated because they relied on pen registers -- and the Court of Appeals ruled that pen registers were equivalent to wiretaps, and hence required warrants under New York law. " 7315,10,"Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 10 In article Young-Soo Che writes: >All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at >NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and >excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do >it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow the Devils, anyway? Jeez.... Alan " 7316,2,"From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 30 In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes: >Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a >multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't >seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person, >and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an >implentation of simultaneuos use though. Since running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a fair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense of sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so one could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have to be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how things are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are taking over from the old cpu-terminal setups. Note that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and run character-based apps but you can't run the GUI. (Yeah, I know about X-Windows, just haven't been too impressed by it...).. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! " 7317,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 53 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu Keywords: science errors Turpin -*---- I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in this thread. In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand on two of her comments. In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: > Avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable. However it is also > widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity. > ... In the extreme case, a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all > the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave > the house. One of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning about empirical investigation lies in understanding the context, scope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of evidence that are marshalled for a claim. Some errors break the back of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be filled in, and some are trivial in their importance. It is a grave mistake to confuse these. Past snippets from this thread: >>> I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology. .... >> He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would >> distinguish a universe in which special relativity holds from >> one in which it does not. ... Back to Lee Lady: > These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and > sci.psychology. According to these posters ""If it's not supported by > carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."" These posters are making the mistake that I have previously criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A ""carefully designed and controlled study"" is neither always possible nor always important. (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a remedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we have enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind of claim to ask for a ""carefully designed and controlled study"" to alleviate our skepticism.) Rules such as ""support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and controlled study"" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation. I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical problems are notoriously problematic.) Russell " 7318,1,"From: ranjan@cs.ubc.ca (Vishwa Ranjan) Subject: Complex (i.e. with real and imaginary parts) bio-medical images.. Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ironduke.cs.ubc.ca Are complex bio-medical images available anywhere on the net for experimentation? By complex I mean that every sampled data point has a magnitude and phase information both. Thanks for any pointers, --Vishwa " 7319,10,From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 6 ;^) Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University ...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews. 7320,14,"From: schaefer@sal-sun121.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun121.usc.edu In article <1993Apr19.130503.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: |> In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net>, gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: |> > With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints |> > by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about |> > that might just work. |> > |> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation |> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. |> > Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin |> > to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! |> > |> > -- |> > gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) |> > theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville |> ==== |> If that were true, I'd go for it.. I have a few friends who we could pool our |> resources and do it.. Maybe make it a prize kind of liek the ""Solar Car Race"" |> in Australia.. |> Anybody game for a contest! |> |> == |> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY! Peter F. Schaefer " 7321,2,"From: mrw54660@eng-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Whitchurch) Subject: File Manager problem Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 8 Whenever I start File Manager, the status bar is not displayed, even though it is selected in the options menu. If I deselect it, then select it again, the bar appears. Anyone have any ideas why this is happening? Thanks Mike " 7322,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.735042679 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 11 Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: >Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. And anybody who can get the keys from the escrow company. This is a database that's going to take plenty of updating - they think they can keep it secure? Please... and that's just primary, not secondary sources, such as police using the key under a warrant. Would anyone be surprised if they just ""neglected"" to erase the key if it turned out they couldn't nail you on anything? -- Nourish a waif and it will pick out your eyes. " 7323,15,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: An agnostic's question Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 42 In article jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) writes: >Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup. I would describe myself as >an agnostic, in so far as I'm sure there is no single, universal >supreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be >judged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that >goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the >complication is that one of my best friends has become very >fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he >feels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is, >according to his faith). This is a great strain to our friendship... Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid your friendship is in danger. Perhaps you should examine in yourself why as such a good friend, you are unwilling to accept this imortant part of your friends life? Why do you call into question his faith? Your friend has changed, he has found something that fills a need in his life. You need to decide if you are still his friend, whether you can accommodate his new life. It sounds as if you are criticizing him for a fundamental belief in the Bible, yet you are quick to reveal that your fundamental belief that it is superstition. Perhaps if he knew you at least took him seriously, that you at least took an interest in the light he has found, that you at least tried to understand what has become a special part of his life, you could together decide to become fundamentalists, respect each others differences and remain friends, or part ways. Maybe even if you stuck it out with him, you could help him to un-convert. Of course, if you go in with that attitude he will surely see through your intentions and begin to resent you. I happen to be a person very tolerant of fundamentalists, because I know that the idea of a simple black and white approach to life is appealing. I don't happen to share the beliefs of fundamentalists, but I am not offended by their prosyletizing. I had a few good conversations with some Witnesses who came to my door. I didn't switch my beliefs, but for those at home who maybe need a friendly face to invite them somewhere, the Witnesses provide a wonderful service. You may have been conditioned to believe that religion is unimportant and witnessing is obnoxious, but why? Are you afraid you might be converted and become one of them, that you will be swept up in fundamentalism, that you will become a weirdo. Friendship's a two-way street. You must respect your friend, ALL of him, including his beliefs, if you want the friendship to continue. Joe Moore " 7324,3,"From: keegan-edward@cs.yale.edu (Edward Keegan) Subject: DEC MT 486, Adaptec SCSI, 3COMM conflict Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thumper.cf.cs.yale.edu I have a DEC NT 486DX33 that has an Adaptec SCSI controller, hard disk and cd-rom drive. When I add a 3COMM Ethernet card (3C503) and reboot the system I receive an error message that a boot device cannot be found. Pull the 3COMM card and reboot, everything is fine. I've moved the controller and 3COMM card to various slots, different positions (slot before the controller, slot after the controller) with the same result. DEC hasn't responded to the problem yet. Any help would be appreciated. -- Edward T. Keegan, Facility Director E-MAIL: keegan@cs.yale.edu Yale University, Computer Science Department PHONE: 1-203-432-1254 51 Prospect Street, Room 009 FAX: 1-203-432-0593 New Haven, CT 06520 " 7325,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists: how to set up your own Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Lines: 116 Archive-Name: rec-autos/part6 [New article as of 4 February 1993 -- rpw] Many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite automotive topics; rather fewer know how to do it. This article will provide the essential information for doing so on standard Unix systems. A shell script and examples of alias file setups are included which presently run on a Sparc 2 here at balltown.cma.com for a number of mailing lists. Note that if you do set up an automotive mailing list, please let me know of the -request address so that I can list it in the montly rec.autos posting. Also inform the keeper of the Usenet list-of-lists (check news.answers for this monthly posting.) First of all, to get anywhere, you need to either 1) be a sysadmin, or 2) have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin. It is also important that you have reasonably good network connectivity; if it seems like you get everything several days after anyone else, or that you have trouble getting email through, then your network connectivity is probably not good enough. Listserv: There is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv, which is available from several ftp servers on the network. Details of the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this article, but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should probably look at listserv carefully. The Alias file: On a typical unix system; there is a file named /usr/lib/aliases on whichever file server is your mail host; it contains lines such as: foo: bar, baz, bletch which means that any email sent the name `foo' on that host is redistributed to users bar, baz, and bletch. thus, the simplest possible email list is my-favorite-car: member1, member2, member3, my-address my-favorite-car-request: my-address this has a couple of problems; the most noticeable one being that you have to be superuser to edit the alias file. however, you can do the following, with the connivance of your sysadmin: my-favorite-car: :include:/home/mydir/misc/autos/my-favorite-car-list my-favorite-car-request: my-address Where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated addresses. This file can be in the list admin's home directory, owned by the list admin. Bounced Mail: this still has a problem; bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the members of the list, which is generally considered somewhat irritating. Therefore, the way that the driving school mailing list is set up is instructive (Thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup, by the way. I'm not sure where he got it from.) school-request: welty school-rebroadcast: :include:/home/newwelty/misc/autos/school/list school: ""|/usr/local/adm/bin/explscript school"" owner-school: school-request owner-school-out: school-request here's what is going on here: the owner- and -request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail coming from the network. the -request address also serves as the point of contact for administrative duties. school is what people send mail to; instead of pointing at addresses, it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending the email. school-broadcast (of which nobody except me knows the name; the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity) points at the actual list members. the shell script i use is as follows: ----------------- #!/bin/sh cd /tmp sed -e '/^Reply-To:/d' -e '/^Sender:/d' -e '/^From /d' | \ (echo Reply-To: ${1}@balltown.cma.com; \ echo Errors-To: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \ echo Sender: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \ cat -) | \ /usr/lib/sendmail -om -f ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com \ -F ""The ${1} Mailing List"" ${1}-rebroadcast exit 0 ------------------- note that this script does not know the name of the list; the name is passed in from outside, so that the script may be used for multiple lists (i run several out of this site.) the script excises Reply-To:, Sender:, and From lines from the incoming message, substitutes for Sender: and Reply-To:, and adds Errors-to: 99.9% of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the -request or owner- addresses if this header rewrite is done. For digested lists, there is some digestification software around. Hopefully I'll be able to provide more information in a future version of this posting. richard welty (welty@balltown.cma.com) -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 7326,5,"From: ""Derrick J. Brashear"" Subject: mouseless operation in ol{v}wm Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Mouseless operation is documented in the man pages for olwm and olvwm... However, I can't get it to work in either. I have this line in my .Xdefaults: OpenWindows.KeyboardCommands: Full That should do it... I haven't rebound the keys. Am I missing something? -D " 7327,11,"From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 11 I change login passwords every couple of months. I sure would suck if I had to get a new sparc station everytime I wanted to do this. It seems that this is what they expect you to do if you want to routinely change your password on your phone. I'm sure the government contractor doesn't mind, but a system where you can cheaply change keys (DES) has inherent security advantages, regardless of the algorithms involved. -- -Tim Cuffel Finger for PGP 2.1 The CIA has admitted that the assassination of Saddam Hussien was one of their goals. They failed, of course. Seems as though that motorcade through downtown Dallas trick only works once. " 7328,7,"From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) Subject: Re: Mercury Capri Restrictions Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 24 The restriction could have to do with the car being a convertible. A lot of paronoid laws were passed concerning convertibles in the 80's. These states may require greater rollover protection than the Capri affords. Thatch Harvey %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Thatch Harvey % % uucp: (no longer valid) domain: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com % % Hewlett-Packard Lake Stevens Instrument Division % % Lake Stevens, WA % % (206) 335-2083 Merkur XR4Ti, Suzuki GSX1100G, % % Prince SR3 D Sports Racer % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% " 7329,19,"From: ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED! Reply-To: ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 13 UN Resolution 666 guarantees humanitarian aid will get into Irag during the Gulf War. Is this war over? Is aid getting in, or are they still trying to smoke out Saddam? Is this the Middle East? Are we talking religious war here? Am I ranting? -- James Owens ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca Ottawa, Ontario, Canada " 7330,17,"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.jcpl.co.jp (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Hamza does it again. Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 18 Hamza answers one of my articles: [TO] If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a ""Hamas Mujahid"" with an anti-tank [TO] missile then I'm almost sure that the ""terrorist zionists"" would not [TO] have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the [TO] missile. [Hamza] maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body [Hamza] gets ""desintegrated."" of course, destroying 10 houses to [Hamza] kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it? Well done Hamza. You edited my answer to Anas Omran, took everything out of context and then replied to it the way you wanted. Now I really understand why the peace process is not making any progress. You guys ain't listening, just babbling away to your same old rhetoric. Tsiel " 7331,10,"From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) Subject: Re: TPS will stay on the top... Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 15 In <1993Apr6.171611.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes: >BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year >he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good >playoff games against TPS! I'm not sure about Juha, but another top center, Rauli Raitanen([ss{t) is drafted by Jets. Raitanen had very good year and he has played in the Finnish nationalteam. I believe that he'll be one of the best finns in this year's WC, if Matikainen(Head coach) elects him to the team. > Hannu Tommi " 7332,12,"From: tsp@ccd.harris.com (Timothy S. Pillsbury) Subject: need ACS tutorial and/or netlist examples Originator: tsp@sp1 Keywords: ACS,SPICE,simulation Organization: Harris Controls Lines: 18 I recently ftp'd Al's Circuit Simulator (ACS) and I'm looking for the tutorial which is mentioned in the Users Manual (but not found there). I don't have any experience constructing a netlist (such as for SPICE) and I need a little help. The examples which come with ACS aren't explanatory about the translation between schematic and netlist. Does anyone have the fabled ""Tutorial"" or any other reference which could help me in constructing a netlist from a schematic diagram? (I also emailed Al himself but received no response yet. He's probably busy with his next release.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Pillsbury Internet: tsp@ccd.harris.com uunet: uunet!ccd.harris.com!timothy.pillsbury ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7333,10,"From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (""Matthew J. Rush"") Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner???? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 4 ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes: > Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post. Maine 5-4. " 7334,12,"From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) Subject: Building a UV flashlight Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 23 Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Call it an urge. Call it what you want. Just don't ask why :-) Anyway, I'd like to build a UV flashlight, cheaply. ""flashlight"" means it should be reasonably portable, but could have a power pack if necessary. My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they need a lot of power? etc., etc. I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave (but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both). One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone know what he was referring to? Thanks much. -- John Hawkinson jhawk@panix.com " 7335,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 132 Dave Davis writes: > Let my state my point as provocatively as possible. :-) > After going through several study Bibles, I'm leaning heavily towards >the > assertion that _Sirach_ ('The Wisdom of Ben Sira' or 'Ecclesiasticus') > is directly referenced by _James_ - in fact, I think > Sirach is more directly referenced by James than _Job_ or _Ruth_ is > referenced in any NT verse I've seen. Good point. The New Testament does not quote Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ruth, Job, Ecclesiastes, or Song of Songs, just as it does not quote from the Deuterocanon. But if the non-quotation of the former does not disqualify them, neither does the non-quotation of the later. And the Wisodm of Solomon was quite clearly an influence on St. Paul, especially in the letter to the Romans (cf especially Romans 1.18-32 and Wisdom 13-14). [stuff deleted] >I think everyone would agree that principles that cannot be >consistently applied are not very useful as principles. >So, if we are to exclude them (not accord them the authority of > Scripture) we would appear to require other reasons. What might these > reasons be? Tradition (always a fav. with Episcop.) ? Tradition is >equivocal > on this subject. Sirach, I believe, is in Vaticanus & Sinaiticus > I don't know if it is listed in the Muratorian canon > (the oldest list I know of). Sirach (and the others) are discussed > by the Fathers, as Scripture, but not unanimously. True. Not all accepted them as Scripture, though niether were all the books of the New Testament so accepted, which puts to the lie the whole argument of the books being excluded because they were debated and not universally accepted. Hebrews, the Apocalypse, 2 Peter, Esther, and others were debated at various times, but eventually retained. As for the Codexes you mention, both Vaticanus and Sinaitcus include the Deuterocanon, bothe of the New and Old Testaments, and Vaticanus (I think) inlcudes 1 Clement, the Shepard of Hermas, and the Epistle of Baranabas. As for the Muratorian Canon, it deals with the New Testament only, though it is very valuable in its witness to those books. > My interim conclusion is that Protestant exclusion of > (at least one of) these writings is one of those 'traditions > of men' one hears of so often. They were excluded during the > Reformation, and that appears to be the reason many people > continue to exclude them. >Any takers? I can be reasonable. (If all else fails :-) >Show me where I'm wrong. You're not wrong! It is a `tradition of men' to exlcude them, as I will explain below. ""That nothing be read in the Church under the nmae of Divine Scripture, except the canonical Scriptures, and the canoncial Scriptures are - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, Four books of Kingdoms [being 1&2 Samuel and 1&2 Kings], Two books of Paralpomenon [being 1&2 Chronicles], Job, the Psalter of David, the Five books of Solomon [being Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Wisdom of Solomon, and [misatributed to him] the Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach], The books of the Twelve (Minor) Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah [being Jeremiah, the Lamentations, Baruch, and the Letter, all of which were formerly counted as one], Ezekiel, Daniel, Tobit, Judith, Esther, Two books of Ezra [being Ezra and Nehemiah], Two books of Maccabees. And of the New Testament: Four books of the Gospel, One book of the Acts of the Apostles, Thirteen letters of Paul the Apostle, One Letter of the same to the Hebrews, two of Peter the Apostle, Three of John, One of the Apostle Jude, One of the Apostle James, One book of the Apocalypse of John."" -Council of Hippo, Statute 36, (393 AD) This same list was promulgated again at the Third Council of Carthage (397 AD), and at the Sixth Council of Carthage (419 AD) - at which council the same list was enumerated with the words ""Because we have recieved from the Fathers that these are the books to be read in the Church."" Which ought to quiet those who assert ""in the name of Holy Scripture we do understand those books of whose authority there was never any doubt in the Church,"" as the Episcopal Church does in removing the Deuterocanon from the realm of Scripture. (Though the Episcopalians hold them in high regard and read them in the Church, they are not counted as Scripture by them, and may not be used to prove dogma. The Lutherans hold out similarly.) Earlier mention of the so-called Apocrypha as divine scripture can also be found, and below I inlcude only a portion of the quotes calling it divine scripture that could be found among the writings of the Fathers. ""And this is the reason why the Law of the old Testament is reckoned as consisting of twenty-two books: so that they may correspond to the number of letters [in the Hebrew alphabet].... It is to be noted also that by adding to these Tobias and Judith, there are twenty-four books, corresponding to the number of letters used by the Greeks."" -St. Hillary of Poitiers, ""Commentaries on the Psalms,"" prologue, 15 (365 AD) ""The twenty-two books according to the Hebrews are .... Jeremiah, with Lamentations and the Letter, reckoned as one .... and [also] there is Maccabees."" -Origen, ""Commentaries on the Psalms,"" Psalm 1 (245 AD) ""Divine Scripture, addressing itself to those who love themselves and to the boastful .... says most excellently [Baruch 3.16-19 follows]."" -St. Clement of Alexandria, ""The Instuctor of Children,"" 2, 3, 36, 3, (203 AD) ""....I learned accurately the books of the Old Testament ... Proverbs of Solomon, and also Wisdom ..."" -St. Melito of Sardes, fragment found in Eusebius' ""History of the Church,"" and dating from crica 177 AD, Book 4, 26, 14 ""It is likewise decreed: Now, indeed, we must treat of the divine Scriptures: what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she must shun. The list of the Old Testament .... Wisdom, one book; Ecclesiasticus, one book .... Tobit, one book .... Judith, one book; of Maccabees, two books."" -St. Damasus I, Pope, ""The Decree of Damsus,"" section 2 (382 AD) I would think this enough, though more can be shown, that the Church has always accepted the deutero-canon, though parts have been disputed by various persons. For if disputes involving the New Testament deutero-canon does not disqulaify those books (i.e. Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2&3 John, Jude, Revelation) in Protestant eyes, than neither should it disqulaify the Old Testament books. And I must point out that the Jews only drew up their canon in 90 AD, 60 years after the founding of the Christian Religion upon the Cross. Why should we adhere to a canon that was drawn up by the faithless, in reaction to the Chrsitian use of the Greek Septuagint, which includes the deutero-canon? As early as 150 AD, St. Justin had already accused the Jews of mutilating the Canon of Scripture by their removal of certain books. Protestants apparently prefer to think that God's revelation was limited by a decree of the Jews in the ordering of their (the Jews') faithless canon, and that he could not use other people, like the Apostles, in drawing up the canon. The Apostles were most certain users of the Septuagint, as some 80% of the Old Testament quotes use the wording of the Septuagint, and not the Hebrew. And the Septuagint includes the Deuterocanon. " 7336,2,"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 31 >In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu writes: > > Hi, everybody: > > I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring > > looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, > > I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file > > I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for > > some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, > > etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. >Eric Hmmm, let's see: I could upload some .BMP files (I have around 15 b/w and color ones), but I'd rather give you the fishing pole instead of the fish:Here it goes: Begginers guide to the coolest Windows backgrounds: Step 1: ftp to cica (ftp.cica.indiana.edu user:anonymous passwd: guest) cd to pub/pc/win3/(util?desktop?) and get one of these : wingif14.zip, pspro??.zip gws?????.zip . They will scale, dither and convert GIFs to BMPs. get the index file from the win3 subdir too for future reference... Step 2: ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu or plaza.aarnet.edu.au or archive.orst.edu and cd to graphics/gif GET THE INDEX FILE... Now GigaBytes of pictures are waiting to become your desktop... Advice: If you have a slow computer (<486DX w/4MB RAM), make your bg b/w by selecting b/w dither in any of the abovementioned apps.. Hope it helps... -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu " 7337,12,"From: Wayne Alan Martin Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.163122.20454@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Yes, it is the 23, 24 and 25, in but does anyone have directions how to get there after I get to Dayton. Thanks Wayne Martin " 7338,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface >isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better >in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc. They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I've been they only light 'em at junctions. I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are essentially nonexistant. >>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your >>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to >It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway, >without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe >at 130 in any decent, well damped car. I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary dramatically, particularly between states. I can name a number of interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be very optimistic in any car. I'm not sure what you call ""quite severe"" in terms of road deviations but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be considered so. They're hard to take at 85mph. That's not the only interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive frequently. Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such wide-open spaces. It just ain't so. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 7339,16,"From: glover@tafs2.mitre.org (Graham K. Glover) Subject: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? Nntp-Posting-Host: gglover-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Lines: 13 If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! ---------------- Graham K. Glover ---------------- UNMUTUAL " 7340,2,"From: cm@cavsys.demon.co.uk (Colin Manning) Subject: Truetype OEM font with line drawing characters etc wanted Distribution: world Organization: Cavendish Systems Reply-To: cm@cavsys.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 13 Title says it all: I'm in need of a Truetype OEM character set font - ie one that contains the line drawing and other characters in the PC character set similar to those you get when running a text mode application. If anyone could point me at such a thing, I'd be grateful. [The only OEM fonts included with Windows are not Truetype.] Regards, -- Colin Manning " 7341,17,"From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 30 In article <22APR199300513566@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>Are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is/was >>Yugoslavia, including Bosnia, which guarantees massive military >>superiority of Serbian forces and does not allow the Bosnians to >>try to defend themselves? >Should we sell weapons to all sides, or just the losing one, then? Ending an embargo does not _we_ must sell anything at all. >If the Europeans want to sell weapons to one or both sides, they are welcome >as far as I'm concerned. You seem to oppose ending the embargo. You know, it is difficult for Europeans to sell weapons when there is an embargo in place. >I do not automatically accept the argument that Bosnia is any worse than >other recent civil wars, say Vietnam for instance. The difference is it is >happening to white people inside Europe, with lots of TV coverage. But if this was the reason, and if furthermore both sides are equal, wouldn't all us racist Americans be favoring the good Christians (Serbs) instead of the non-Christians we really seem to favor? -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) " 7342,18,"From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) Subject: The verdict is in (Rodney King) Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA Lines: 19 The federal civil rights trial against the four LA police officers accused of violating Rodney King's civil rights is now history: Lawrence Powell: guilty Stacey Coons: guilty Theodore Brazenio: innocent Timothy Wind: innocent Sentencing slated for mid August, appeals expected. So far, all is calm in LA... -- Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com) ""I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."" -- Hobbes to Calvin USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637 PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax) " 7343,14,"From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems Lines: 38 In article nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: > If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger > economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* on a > lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, > but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing > military, scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than > just a ""we have the money, why not?"" approach. > >Ah, but the whole point is that money spent on a lunar base is not >wasted on the moon. It's not like they'd be using $1000 (1000R?) bills >to fuel their moon-dozers. The money to fund a lunar base would be >spent in the country to which the base belonged. It's a way of funding >high-tech research, just like DARPA was a good excuse to fund various >fields of research, under the pretense that it was crucial to the >defense of the country, or like ESPRIT is a good excuse for the EC to >fund research, under the pretense that it's good for pan-European >cooperation. > >Now maybe you think that government-funded research is a waste of >money (in fact, I'm pretty sure you do), but it does count as >investment spending, which does boost the economy (and just look at >the size of that multiplier :->). Actually I favor government funded research. It *is* a pump prime for a lot of basic technologies. I also understand the short term value of high tech welfare programs. But they can't substitute for long range wealth generation via commercial enterprise. That's what's needed to maintain a healthy economy *anywhere*, on Earth or Luna. I don't see that long term potential on Luna due to a bunch of factors I outline in another post. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | " 7344,13,"From: janet@ntmtv.com (Janet Jakstys) Subject: Exercise and Migraine Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA Lines: 24 We were talking about Migraine and Exercise (I'm the one who can't fathom the thought of exercise during migraine...). Anyway, turning the thread around, the other day I played tennis during my lunch hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.) I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the pain subsided. This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise. I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?). I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this? Thanks, -- ********************************************************************** Janet Jakstys UUCP:{ames,mcdcup}!ntmtv!janet Northern Telecom INTERNET:janet@ntmtv.com Mtn. View, CA. ********************************************************************** " 7345,17,"From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil) Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ? Lines: 89 > >O.K., its my turn: > > DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! > >I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed >to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their >plan ! > May I suggest you chech out the _Palestinian National Covenant (1964)_. It may not use the exact words as quoted above but I'm sure many will agree that the same message is being issued. Later on when I get back home I will try to find the precise section(s) but you can do the research for now (I hope). I also realize that Yasser Arafat renounced the _Covenant_ *to the Western media only* but he has yet to inform the PNC officially and enequivocally of his exact intentions on this issue. Therefore, as far as we are concerned the _Covenant_ still stands as the ""Bible"" (so to speak) of the mainstream Palestinian National movement! >(Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity >since it was coined by Bnai Brith) As a staunch pro-Israel activist I can confidently say that Bnai Brith has NOT influenced my opinions on the Arab-Israeli conflict. As I mentioned above, just a little research on the subject will lead anyone to reach a similar conclusion on the Palestinian National movement (the PLO in most cases). BB does not properly speak for me nor many of the people around me who share my views. > >What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media, >is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic >Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in >Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants. > What 1948 situation? A negative situation I presume? Is this the same ""situation"" when the Jordanian occupiers of East Jerusalem would not allow the Jews to go worship at the HOLIEST SITE IN JUDIASM? Was this an example of Qu'ranic law being exercised? If not, I have another suggested reading for you... get into the ""soc.culture.arabic"" newsgroup where the posters have been debating the topic ""Jews in the Qu'ran"" (and may I remind you the people doing the debating appear to be devout Muslims with some knowledge of the Qu'ran). You will find that Jews aren't really viewed positively by the Qu'ran (to put it lightly). So how do you think Jews (or any other non-Islamic religion) will be treated by an Islamic state governed by the words of the Qu'ran? I think the 1948-1967 ""situation"" in Jerusalem will return *at best*! What do you think? >However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their >homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political >thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the >Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice. All I have to say to that is, once again, see s.c.a - ""Jews in the Qu'ran"" and think again. ""Freedom of choice"" is *definitely* not an option in Qu'ranic law especially for non-Muslims and ALL women! Remember the Gulf War? I'm sure you saw the reports about how women had few rights in Saudi Arabia (an Islamic state). > >As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind. > Probably nothing! Aside from how to break the news to his Palestinian brethren that the _Covenant_ is ""null and void"" without getting assassinated himself! >Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true >super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the >Jews used to establish their state : Religion. > In conclusion, Ahmed, you should go to the library and find the _Palestinian National Covenant (1964)_ and read it VERY CAREFULLY. By the way, Redpath Library DOES have it in stock because that is exactly where I found it when I was doing my research. So enjoy the reading and I hope we will be hearing back from you soon! - Mike --- MI KE MIK EMIK EMI K ""Opinions expressed above M I K E M I K E M are my own and not that M I K E MIKEM I KEM I K of 'Big Blue'"" M I K E M IKE M IKE MIKE IBM Corp., Toronto, Canada " 7346,9,"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) Subject: Yankee Meditations. Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.205911.2654 Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 14 Do you realize that the yankees are paying Matt Nokes 2,500,000 dollars this year!!!! GEESH. And Maas only gets 125,000. By the way, the yankees are going to WIN IT ALL Yankees are the BEST. By the way, JT Snow, an ex-yankee, will be rookie of the year. " 7347,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: >Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful >time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle >foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this >happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him. > > eric Hmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off? " 7348,16,"From: mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Committee to commemorate the WACO Ghetto Uprising Lines: 23 In article <1r0mtoINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes: >Gordon Storga writes: > >>Gentleman, are we also forgetting the near genocide of the Native American >>for the barbaric act of being ""heathen"" (i.e. a non-Christian) by a >>predominantly Christian government. That's a little over 200 years as I >>recall. I'd say that for the most part it was religious persecution >>(their religion dictated their lifestyle). > >This is a stretch. In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were >Christian, a great many. It would be simpler to state the obvious, that >white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened. I really >don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion. My Native American Girlfriend asks: ""If the government really doesn't 'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places? You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church at gunpoint."" -- = = = = = = = = = = Michael McClary mcclary@netcom.com For faster response, address electronic mail to: michael@node.com " 7349,1,"From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM (""Imaging Club"") Subject: Re: WANTED: Info on Image Databases Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Lines: 14 Padmini Srivathsa in Wisconsin writes: >I would like references to any introductory material on image >databases. I'd be happy to US (international) Snail mail technical information on imaging databases to anyone who needs it, if you can provide me with your address for hard copy (not Email). We're focusing mostly on Open PACE, Oracle, Ingres, Adabas, Sybase, and Gupta, regarding our imaging databases installed. (We have over 1,000 installed and in production now; most of the new ones going in are on Novell LANs, the RS/6000, and now HP Unix workstations.) We work with Visual Basic too. Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com " 7350,11,"From: ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 32 In article <899@pivot.sbi.com> bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) writes: > >I heard about this solution, and it sounded good. Then I heard that folks >were experiencing times of 30-60 seconds to run this, on >reasonably-configured workstations. I'm not willing to add that much delay >to someone's login process. My approach (etherfind|compress, skip 10K) takes >a second or two to run. I'm considering writing the be-all and end-all of >solutions, that launches the MD5, and simultaneously tries to suck bits off >the net, and if the net should be sitting __SO__ idle that it can't get 10K >after compression before MD5 finishes, use the MD5. This way I could have >guaranteed good bits, and a deterministic upper bound on login time, and >still have the common case of login take only a couple of extra seconds. > 53 seconds to hash 20M of core (I bet I know who the source of your information is!). No, it's not acceptable if it's part of your login process. But if you are going to use network traffic as the source of pseudo-random information, do the right thing and pass it through a cryptographic hash function, not a compressor. Aside from the fact that it will run faster, it will give better results (think of a cryptographic hash as a function that ""distills"" randomness). Something along the lines of etherfind -t -x -n | dd bs=1k count=10 2>/dev/null | md5 should do the trick. -t gives you timestamps, and the lack of -u makes sure that dd does not get ten lines as opposed to ten K. The above takes a couple of seconds on a lightly-loaded ethernet. >-Bennett >bet@sbi.com /ji " 7351,12,"From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) Subject: How to the disks copy protected. Originator: sehari@marge.ecss.iastate.edu Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa. Lines: 10 --- I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? With highest regards, Babak Sehari. -- " 7352,4,"From: u2087546@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (The Jester) Subject: Re: info on apple 8*24GC requested. Organization: Comedy Company Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.122613.12289@alijku05.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at>, Norbert Mueller writes: >> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware > In article Serge Prud'homme, > prudhom@IRO.UMontreal.CA writes: >> Any info on the video processor Am29000 that sit on it, any way to > program that >> chip? What companie makes that chip? > > > Apple was never able to provide any docs or tools to program that chip. I > value it as > the least value per $ piece of computer hardware I ever bought due to the > COMPLETE > LACK support tools. There was a refund for US-buyers of this card but we > Europeans > were left out in the rain once again... I agree completely, but there was only a refund for people who bought the GC with a Quadra. I have seen an alpha version of an extension from Apple called 8.24 GC QuickTime Video which offloads QuickTime compression/decompression from the cpu to the AM29000 on the card. So it seems it can be done even though in a developer article it states that the GC can't be programmed - but they asked that any suggestions be sent in anyway... Steve Margelis Melbourne University " 7353,10,"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar Subject: Bowman whining already Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu I should have guessed. It's time for the annual Pittsburgh Penguins whine-a-thon. Bowman was complaning about cheap shots by the Devils in Game 1. I'm sorry, Mr. Bowman, you're a great coach, but those ""cheap shots"" were nothing compared to what's going to come. Also, I guess you were only able to notice the cheap shots made by the guys not in white. It's amazing what those black and gold colored glasses will do. PS - Nice dive on that high stick Mario. Everyone knew it was a high stick, you could have stayed on your feet and saved your diving talent for later. just stirring it up a bit, Ralph " 7354,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 26 In article romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no > >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. > >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as > >I am concerned. > >This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me. No, just a little anger. Normally I don't rip people's lips off, except when my candida has overcolonized and I become: ""Fungus Man""! :^) Jon -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 7355,7,"From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) Subject: Re: Is car saftey important? Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr20.163527.12773@bnr.ca> tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes: >Subject: Is car saftey important? > I was recently thumbing through the 1993 Lemon-Aid New >Car Guide. What I found was a car would be given a 'Recommended' >under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a >driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed >in a front end collision. The most highly recommended small >car (The Civic) has the worst crash rating of all of the small >cars listed. There were many such cases of 'great' vehicles >where you wouldn't survive an accident. Is it only me, or is >safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car? > Definitely! Safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car. I won't buy a small car like a Civic or whatever. Great = Safety + Handling + Speed - for me Seems to me that you would be more ""dead"" in a small car than a large car after an accident. - gerrit " 7356,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 18 In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) wrote: > tional as that is for so many). One direct benefit is being able to > keep things in perspective, KS. > > Such as who hurts more -- the ones who died, or the loved ones who > are left? Besides the lessons. It's also time for many to grieve. > Including those who've lost their faith in others, or in God. > > I'm learning to be patient, and let things heal. God willing. Christians through ages have had to learn to be patient. I do think it's time to face the reality. The events during the last 52 two days showed what the world is really like. Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 7357,3,"From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds) Subject: 16 bit MFM HD controller wanted. Organization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated. Lines: 8 Hi again! Okay, am getting an old AT type together as well. Anyone have a 16 bit MFM HDC they'd like to sell? WD is preferred, but Adaptec and DTK are fine too......for that matter, almost anything so long as it works! Lee (lee@tosspot.sv.com) " 7358,17,"From: bds@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce d. Scott) Subject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1026 Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de Mack posted: ""I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period is so small (at the end of 1371)?"" This is not small. A 2.7 per cent annual population growth rate implies a doubling in 69/2.7 \approx 25 years. Can you imagine that? Most people seem not able to, and that is why so many deny that this problem exists, for me most especially in the industrialised countries (low growth rates, but large environmental impact). Iran's high growth rate threatens things like accelerated desertification due to intensive agriculture, deforestation, and water table drop. Similar to what is going on in California (this year's rain won't save you in Stanford!). This is probably more to blame than the current government's incompetence for dropping living standards in Iran. -- Gruss, Dr Bruce Scott The deadliest bullshit is Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik odorless and transparent bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de -- W Gibson " 7359,3,"From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: SWITCH 3.5"" TO A:? Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! I'd like to switch my floppy drives so that my 3.5"" b: drive becomes a:, while my 5.25"" a: becomes b:. I'm having a few problems, though. I know that the ribbon cable must be switched, as well as the CMOS settings, to reflect this change, and I think that I've done that correctly. However, the drives do not operate correctly in this configuration. From the C:> prompt, if I type a:, the 5.25"" drive light comes on; if I type b:, both the light for the 5.25"" and 3.5"" drives come on. There are some jumpers on each drive: 5.25"" Label Original Pos. Pos. I changed it to DS0 ON OFF DS1 OFF ON DS2 ON ON DS3 OFF OFF IO OFF OFF MS1 OFF OFF D-R ON ON MS2 ON ON FG OFF OFF 3.5"" DS0 OFF ON DS1 ON OFF DS2 OFF OFF DS3 OFF OFF MM ON ON DC ON ON MD OFF OFF TTL/C-MO8 ON ON Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu " 7360,11,"From: duck@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Ducklin) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: CSIR, South AFrica Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za X-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official X-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries. X-Disclaimer: ** So don't freak out at _us_ about anything ** gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? It's all easy with a DSP. The Olivetti Quaderno, for example [*great* 1kg subnotebook/palmtop PC -- sorry for the plug, folks, but Olivetti don't seem to be doing a good job marketing it themselves :-)] includes sound digitisation hardware; they provide vocoders for their DSP which produce varous bit-rates. There's one which gives pretty acceptable voice quality at 13Kbit/sec, just right for a V.32bis modem. Their DSP can play and record at the same time, too -- so you wouldn't need to play ""two-way-radio"". You can also download code to the DSP subunit, though you'd need a software development kit for the DSP in question [dunno which it is...] if you wanted to produce your own vocoder for, say, V.32 speeds. Paul /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ Paul Ducklin duck@nuustak.csir.co.za / / CSIR Computer Virus Lab + Box 395 + Pretoria + 0001 S Africa \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ " 7361,15,"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 25 In article , REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > [In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from > various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's > ""Master of Reality"". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early > '70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another > to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] > It is interesting that you posted those lyrics, because just the other day I was thinking of doing the same. I like those lyrics, since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical, evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black Sabbath, I have something to throw back. Usually their chins drop and they come up speechless over those not very satanic lyrics. It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the world to battle than rock lyrics........... -- Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because we have ideas. We have a philosophy. Geoff Tate -- Queensryche " 7362,2,"From: cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Steve W Brewer) Subject: How do I make GhostScript work? Organization: University of Louisville Apparently-To: gnu-ghostscript-bug@rutgers.edu Distribution: world Lines: 14 What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7363,5,"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: Circular Motif Widgets Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article bjg@acsc.com, dev@hollywood.acsc.com () writes: > >Will there be any support for round or circular widgets in Motif's next >release?. I'd love to have a circular knob widget which could be used >instead of a slider. How much support do you need? I don't think there's anything that prohibits you from implementing such a widget, though you will have to write your own versions of the functions that draw the 3D shadow and traversal highlighting. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com " 7364,16,"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Distribution: usa Lines: 32 In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. > >The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored >transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use >more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to >do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they >must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. > >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. > >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. > Well, it's said that people get the government they deserve. Don't worry, you'll get yours. You'll sleep much better when everyone with thoughts not on the government 'approved' list is rounded up and executed. Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else " 7365,13,"From: Dan Wallach Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries (1/4): Changes since last month [monthly posting] Supersedes: Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 51 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:18:16 GMT Reply-To: Dan Wallach NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Summary: what's new and happening with Dan's FAQ and ftp archive Originator: dwallach@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/changes Version: $Revision: 1.3 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 04:12:33 $ This file details changes to the soda.berkeley.edu archive and summarizes what's new in the various FAQ (frequently asked questions) documents. This will be posted monthly, along with the full FAQ to the various net groups. The various mailing lists will either receive the full FAQ every month, or every third month, but will always get this file, once per month. Phew! ============================================================================ Changes to the Typing Injuries FAQ and soda.berkeley.edu archive, this month ============================================================================ a few new files on the soda.berkeley.edu archive the TidBITS ""Caring for your wrists"" document RSI Network #11 Advice about ""adverse mechanical tension"" More details about the new Apple keyboard more info about carpal tunnel syndrome (carpal.explained) more general info about RSI (rsi.details, rsi.physical) marketing info on the Vertical MacWeek article the Bat new details on hooking a normal PC keyboard to an RS/6000 updated pricing info on the DataHand and Comfort Half-QWERTY now available for anonymous ftp on explorer.dgp.toronto.edu new GIF picutures! The Apple Adjustable Keyboard The Key Tronic FlexPro another picture of the Kinesis The Vertical The Tony! ============================================================================ If you'd like to receive a copy of the FAQ and you didn't find it in the same place you found this document, you can either send e-mail to dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu, or you can anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu (128.32.149.19) and look in the pub/typing-injury directory. Enjoy! -- Dan Wallach ""One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet."" -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. " 7366,10,"From: lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 18 In article stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes: >Kevin L. Stamber >Purdue University >...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews. Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the newsgroup header next time before posting! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca _______________________________________________________________________________ " 7367,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Crimestrike Alert for Texas Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: crime strike Lines: 69 Fellow Texans and Members of Crime Strike in Texas Crime Strike in Texas has a loosely knit coalition with most Victims Rights Groups in Texas. We ask that you write a letter protesting the release of the following murderer. This letter should be written to : Raven Kazen - Victims Services Board of Pardons and Paroles P.O. Box 13401 - Capital Station Austin, Texas 78711 The letter should be written if at all possible on RED PAPER as that was agreed on at one of our first meetings . It represents the coalition and all of its parts as well as the heart ache of those left behind and the blood spilled by these criminals. The letter should have only one name on it so it can be filed in the folder of that criminal waiting for his next try at parole. List of Criminals: Today we have only one parole to protest , On October 4, 1990, Mark Steven Hughes rendered numerous blows to the head of James Allen Pompa . Ten month old James went into a coma and died two days later. On July 8, 1992, Mark Steven Hughes pled guilty to Injury to a Child and received a ten-year sentence. According to Texas law, Mark became eligible for parole on January 4, 1992 -- six months before he was even sentenced! Would you join us in strongly protesting the release from prison of Mark Steven Hughes, who beat a baby to death . Mark Steven Hughes - beat to death the baby boy of Russel Pompa -- Reference Mark Steven Hughes - TDC# 633546 Mark your envelope ""PROTEST LETTER"" on the front and back. A typical letter is indicated on the next page --- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Irvin Wilson - Volunteer Crime Strike Texas Date: April 13, 1993 Raven Kazen - Victims Services Board of Pardons and Paroles P.O. Box 13401 - Capital Station Austin , Texas 78711 I protest the parole of Mark Steven Hughes TDC#633546, who, murdered James Son of Russel Pompa. He should be kept in prison for his full sentence and not be released at any time prior to his full sentence for any reason. Irvin Wilson Houston, Texas -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 7368,1,"From: ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) Subject: windows imagine??!! Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 Has ANYONE who has ordered the new PC version of Imagine ACTUALLY recieved it yet? I'm just about ready to order but reading posts about people still awaiting delivery are making me a little paranoid. Has anyone actually held this piece of software in their own hands? Later, Jim Nobles " 7369,12,"From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Radio Electronics Free information card Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Lines: 73 In article v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) writes: > > How does the radio Electronics free information cards work. >Do they just send you some general information about the companies that >advertise in their magazine or does it also give you sign you up for a >catalog. That depends entirely upon the advertiser whose number you circled. Radio Electronics compiles all of the cards, then each advertiser gets a computer printout of the names and addresses of all of the readers who circled their number. Some magazines also provide the data on self-adhesive labels, and the really big magazines provide the data on computer disk. The advertiser decides what to do with the data they get. You will notice that the Radio Electronics information card (commonly called a ""bingo card"" in the industry) includes lines for a company name and a business phone number. My guess would be that the big, national advertisers make a distinction between hobbiests and professionals as best they can. For example, if you include Motorola as your company and include a business phone (and a mail stop), Tektronics will probably send you a copy of their hard-bound catalog and have a sales engineer call you about a week later. If you leave it blank, odds are they will send you a slick brochure and direct you to a local retail outlet. Medium and small companies are more likely to send you th e whole catalog. And then some companies, like Digikey or Jameco, have nothing to mail out accept the catalog. A couple of other interesting points about bingo cards: Free, industry magazines like EDN and such also log your card to their computer. They use the information at least three ways. They note that you really do read the magazine and are more likely to continue your subscription or push you, through repeated mailings, to re-subscribe. They also compile how many people requested which data for their marketing demographics. This way thay can tell a prospective advertiser that ""23% of readers requesting data were interested in capacitors."" And finally, some magazines rent lists of readers who request certain information. For example, Tektronics can rent a list of everyone who requested information about test equipment OTHER THAN TEKTRONIC's, in the past 6 months. The other point, in the data the advertiser receives, many magazines include how many items you circled on the card. If they want, the advertiser can attempt to cull out the ""literature collectors"" from the serious potential customers. ""Can you say qualified sales leads? I thought you could."" What's the BEST way for a hobbiest to deal with bingo cards? Never circle more than 8 number on the card. If you want more than 8 items, use the second card and mail it a couple of weeks later. If you are really, really serious and you really, really want the information, CALL THE ADVERTISER AND ASK! This will also cut about 15 days off the the response time. Virtually everyone takes a voice on the phone more seriously than data on a computer printout. To help insure you keep getting a trade magazine that you're not really ""qualified"" for, send in a bingo card at least every other month and circle two or three numbers. Include a business name and phone number, even if it's your house. Advertisers almost never call. John Schuch publisher of: The Arizona High-Tech Times The Arizona Electrical Journal The Arizona HVAC News (all of which have bingo cards) " 7370,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people. Denying the obvious? Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 109 In article <1993Apr23.122146.23931@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gassan@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu writes: >After having read this group for some time, I am appalled at its lack of >scholarship, its fuzzy-thinking, reliance on obsessed and obnoxious posters Well, these are Armenian and Jewish scholars, not me. Denying the obvious? Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. ""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. ""In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats in this alien land."" (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - ""Preserving the Armenian purity"") <1993Apr24.042427.29323@walter.bellcore.com> ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Dusan Chukurov 21324) > The world's inaction when the conflict began over the mostly >Christian Armenian enclave inside Muslim Azerbaijan might have >encouraged the conflict in Bosnia-Herzegovina, said the >Moscow-based activist, who's part Armenian. No kidding. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces, massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between 1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia today. A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its sovereignty. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7371,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 54 A reply to a post by kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (aka Nancy's Sweetheart): ?Human brains are infested with sin, and they can only be trusted ?in very limited circumstances. I would beg to differ with you here. The properly-formed conscience can be trusted virtually ALL the time. I am not so sure, though, about something so materialistic as the human brain. Does that mass of tissue possess anything trustworthy? Your observation would probably be valid if we were discussing the ""mind"" of an animal, but the human being is only half animal, as it were; and half spiritual. ?At the moment he stops speaking, and people start interpreting, the ?possibility of error appears. Did he mean that literally or not? We do ?not have any record that he elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of ?Tran- or Con- substatiation? He didn't say. We interpret this passage ?using our brains; we think and reason and draw conclusions. But we know ?that our brains are not perfect: our thinking often leads us wrong. (This ?is something that most of us have direct experience of. 8-) Now you have hit on the purpose of the Church. It is by necessity the infallible interpreter of divine revelation. Without the Church, Christianity would be nothing more than a bunch of little divisive sects. ?Unless you are infallible, there are very few things you can be certain ?of. To the extent that doctrines rely on fallible human thinking, they ?cannot be certain. This argument of yours regarding the certainty of an observation or a conclusion is not necessarily substantiated by experience. It reminds me of the theoretical physicist who said that you can never be certain of a measurment because the sensor interferes with the field you are trying to measure. Now, the experimental physicist will reply that although the measurement can never be made with absolute certainty, he is able to determine the certainty with which the measurement can be made, and this knowledge is often sufficient to render the measurement useful enough to allow evidence of the true condition of the field under observation. Therefore, although our minds are finite and susceptible to error, our competence in arriving at inductive insights gives confidence in our ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true, even in areas not subject to the experimental method. ?Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ?""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some ? Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* ? some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon This quote seems a little arrogant, don't you think? -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) " 7372,14,"From: nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) Subject: Re: A WRENCH in the works? Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. Lines: 13 jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: >effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the >recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of >some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred to the tool as ""...the PLIERS that took a ride into space..."". They also said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind during assembly of one SRB. No more info as to the location in the SRB. I agree, pretty weird. " 7373,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 18 Clayton Cramer writes: #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general #male population. Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly promiscious)? I didn't think that you did. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 7374,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) Subject: Recent News News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 35 In the hopes of adding a little life to, what seems to be, the same old debates, I would like to add a few bits of info and ask for comments. 1) A couple days ago the headlines were splashed with stories of proof that the North Vietnamese had held U.S. hostages after the war ended. Way back in today's newspaper (Page A7 of San Francisco Chronicle) there is an article about the document that held the proof. [used without permission] ""The document, which was discovered in the archives of the Soviet Communist Party in Moscow, is a Russian translation of what is described as a September 1972 report prepared for the Vietnam Politburo by General Tran Van Quang, who is identified as the deputy chief of staff of the North Vietnamese army."" [later on in the article after it talks about the claim of 1,205 Americans in North Vietnamese prisons] ""Phong said the easiest way to prove that the document is a fabrication is to review Quang's career. In 1972, he said, Quang was not deputy chief of staff; he was the army commander in Military Region 4 in central Vietnam."" 2) I heard on the radio that the Church of Scientology has filed for bankrupcy becuase the employees of Cocolat , owned by CoS, filed a class action suit against them for requiring the employees to pay dues to become members of the Church. Anyone heard more about this? 3) Micheal Jackson went into business with Micheal Milken. No lie. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 7375,13,"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes: =Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One =slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know =he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized =swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, =however, because that's not written in their little rule book. Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock in other people. Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other ingredients in it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to the MSG? =I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad =reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting. I'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. " 7376,16,"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) Subject: Letter To David Skaggs Distribution: usa Organization: Storage Technology Corp. Lines: 136 Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com Here is a letter I sent to David Skaggs, (Dem, CO). Before anybody says something, yes the letter is a bit ""sharp"" in tone. I have been writting reasonable and polite letters to him for years, and all I get in return in the HCI party line. Since he already is NRA F rated, I don't think that upsetting him will harm the cause. Sorry if you disagree, but recent events in Texas REALLY have me pissed. ------------------- April 20, 1993 Representative Skaggs, Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you could have been referencing. Either: 1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the ""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your Church to be a cult! This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You and Pat Robertson should really get along. 2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the ""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain 250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you representing Sarah Bradys'? Thank You, William J. Vojak April 20, 1993 Representative Skaggs, Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you could have been referencing. Either: 1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the ""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your Church to be a cult! This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You and Pat Robertson should really get along. 2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the ""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain 250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you representing Sarah Bradys'? Thank You, William J. Vojak --------------------------- Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!) ------------------------------------------------------------ " 7377,2,"From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) Subject: Re: moving icons Article-I.D.: csc.1993Apr22.233213.7644 Organization: University of Canberra Lines: 20 In article <1bp0rAHPBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away >from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name >of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) > The file is frite20.zip and you'll find it in the 'icons' directory at Cica. The one line description is: Afflict Your Icons with ""Cursorphobia"" ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ o | Paul Blackman pwb@science.canberra.edu.au o | Water Research Centre, pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au o _ | Faculty of Applied Science -- ("") o | University of Canberra, Australia. \_|_-- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | ""Spend a little love and get high"" _/ \_ | - Lenny Kravitz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 7378,3,"From: galpin@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan) Subject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu In article tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao) writes: >goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >>Can anyone tell me if this card works with the March OS/2 2.1 beta? > > I believe so, since the Buslogic cards have proven to be very >reliable in OS/2 2.0.... > The BusLogic cards have an OS/2 2.0 driver that does work with the March 2.1 beta. Support for the BusLogic cards is not included with OS/2 2.0 any longer. If you wish to install the beta from the CD/ROM, you will need to REM out the Adaptec device drivers, as they have a nasty tendency to crash the BusLogic cards when OS/2 attempts to use them. (Thanks Adaptec!) So you add the BusLogic drivers to the config.sys on the CD-ROM boot disk, and REM out the Adaptec drivers. Then you install the whole 1st half of the Beta.. and it won't work! IBM nicely copies in the Adaptec drivers once again. (Thanks IBM!) So.. REM out the Adaptec drivers once more.. and reboot. If you have everything in the right order.. it will work. Things are pretty smooth through the rest of the installation.. except OS/2 will try to install the Adaptec SCSI drivers once again at the end... so.. you are off to more REM statements and more fun. The BT 542Bk comes with drivers and costs the same as the Adaptec cards that do not come with drivers. The DOS drivers work great. This card can easily be configured to work with 8 different sets of I/O ports (and you can use multiple host adapters in one machine) If you get a new card.. it will also be able to support up to 8 GB drives under DOS. Hope this helps.. - Dan -- ****************************************************************************** * Dan Galpin galpin@cats.ucsc.edu * ****************************************************************************** " 7379,13,"From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) Subject: Re: Endometriosis Organization: University of Maryland Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu You may want to inquire about taking Lupron as a medication. It's supposed to be a new treatment, and it's described in Nov. 1992 issue of J. of Obst. and Gyn. Lupron is taken as a monthly injection, whereas other drugs such as danazol are taken daily as pills. " 7380,12,"From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) Subject: Dmm Advice Needed Lines: 28 AllMartin EmdeDMM Advice Needed ME>From: mce5921@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Martin Emde) ME>Organization: Boeing ME> ME>I an currely in the market for a DMM and recently saw an add ME>for a Kelvin 94 ($199). Does anyone own one of these or some ME>other brand that they are extremely happy with. How do the ME>small name brands compare with the Fluke and Beckman brands? ME>I am willing to spend ~$200 for one. ME> ME>Any help is greatly appreciated. (please email) ME> ME>-Martin If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however for every other use you can buy a cheapie. I have a metex which is some made up name, as I have seen the same DMM with other brand names on it, I bought it about 4 yrs ago for Aus$125.00 (convert that to US and you see that it's definetly a cheapie.) So far it has proved to be accurate, taken moderate abuse, and has many features on it (CAP, FREQ,Transistor check, etc). I am very happy with it and would definetly not buy a fluke just for the name. Hope this helps. Cheers Peter T. " 7381,3,"From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu In-reply-to: goyal@utdallas.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 03:17:28 GMT In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic image, and the large image size, etc, etc... It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third down, the other two thirds down) come from. - Tony catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu " 7382,1,"From: hans@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Hans Baele) Subject: conversion of pic format files to HPGL files Nntp-Posting-Host: glasnost.cs.kuleuven.ac.be Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen Lines: 20 Hello, Can anybody help me with the conversion of pic format files to HPGL files. The question is as follows: Is it possible to convert files that have been generated in the pic preprocessor format into HPGL format, suitable for sending to a plotter. The hardware involved is IBM RISC/6000 running AIX 3.2.3. How should this be done and what software is involved, where is it available, what does it cost, what are the problems? Regards, Dani -------------------------------- Cimad Consultants Antwerp, Belgium dani@cimad.be -------------------------------- " 7383,10,"From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) Subject: NHL Playoff Stats & Scores Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 2 For updated playoff updates (scores, stats, summaries) e-mail me. (mmilitzo@skidmore.edu) with the subject STATS. " 7384,14,"Subject: From: bioccnt@otago.ac.nz Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 12 Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation? He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) ""half a million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest bidder....."" Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated. Clive Trotman " 7385,0," cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!zazen Subject: Re: Radical Agnostic... NOT! From: zazen@austin.ibm.com (E. H. Welbon) Organization: Brownian Motion Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 34 The One and Only (jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: : In article dl2021@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: : [first post I've seen from the ol' Bug-Zoo (BGSU)] : > There is no means that i can possibly think of to prove beyond doubt : >that a god does not exist (but if anyone has one, by all means, tell me : >what it is). Therefore, lacking this ability of absolute proof, being an : >atheist becomes an act of faith in and of itself, and this I cannot accept. : > I accept nothing on blind faith. : Invisible Pink Flying Unicorns! Need I say more? There is also the question of what is meant by ""atheist"". A familiar example of the importance of the meaning of the word is as follows. The two statements following ARE consistent: (1) I do not believe that you are wearing lilac socks (2) I do not believe that you are are not wearing lilac socks The two statements following are NOT consistent: (3) I do believe that you are wearing lilac socks (4) I do believe that you are are not wearing lilac socks Statements (1) and (2) require no faith, they make no presumptions about the nature of reality. Statements (3) and (4) require belief. Many atheists (myself included) take the following position: (5) I do not believe that there is a god. (6) I do not believe that there is not a god. That is , I harbor no beliefs at all, there is no good evidence for god existing or not. Some folks call this agnosticism. It does not suffer from ""blind faith"" at all. I think of it as ""Don't worry, be happy"". " 7386,8,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: >hello there >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . From _Cycle_World_ magazine (5/93) (who usually never says _anything_ bad about any motorcycle): ""The Max certainly has motor, but there are some things it is short of. It is short of chassis. It loves straight lines; aimed in one, it is nicely stable. But it is not overfond of corners. Forced into one, it protests, shaking its head, chattering its front tire, grinding its footpegs, and generally making known its preference for straight pavement. Bumps? It doesn't like them either. Its fork isn't too bad, though it is soft enough that it can be bottomed under hard braking. The shocks, though which work on that short-travel, shaft-drive swingarm, are firm to the point of harshness."" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7387,7,"From: wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Murphy) Subject: old license plates wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 18 Hi.. Me and My roomate are going to redecorate the ""living room"" and we thought it would be a cool idea to have a license plate from every state in the US and then from whereever else we could find, like canada, Mexixo, even some European ones. If anyone has any ideas or knows someone that could help us out please let me know.... The more recent, the better, but anything would be nice. Either that or if you have an old plate hanging around... (hint hint!) Kev wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu Kevin C Murphy 1312 West Main Street #421 Peoria IL 61606 " 7388,11,"From: jed@pollux.usc.edu (Jonathan DeMarrais) Subject: Crypto Conference Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu I need to know the following information about the upcoming Crypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the number of copies needed. Thanks, Jonathan DeMarrais jed@pollux.usc.edu -- --- Jay jed@pollux.usc.edu (University of Southern California) What a depressingly stupid machine. Marvin " 7389,19,"From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Southern Queensland Lines: 21 judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein -- objectively subjective) writes: >Question: Is there any effective difference between: >""Objective values exist, and there is disagreement over what they are"" >and >""Values are subjective?"" >I don't see any. The first means that some aspect of reality contains objective values. The second means that values are a reference to some preference of the individual. In the first case, it is possible that some future discovery might invalidate certain views re what objective values are. -- Ron House. USQ (house@helios.usq.edu.au) Toowoomba, Australia. " 7390,2,"From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) Subject: Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr19.235430.6097@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) writes: >Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's >a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since >it's not a .drv file. Thats the file... -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Tony Annese claebaur@shell.portal.com -or- claebaur@cup.portal.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ " 7391,15,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 138 In article shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes: You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically stood by the Pope. The ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church. This is the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his departure from the traditional doctrine of the Church. If commands from *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be disobeyed. My own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major way. God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it would be too complex for people to figure out. I don't view the present situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated. Run through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the Catholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast. It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over authority and discipline. The problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic Faith, in my opinion. Most Catholics know about zilch about the Catholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring bishops. It's basically the Reformation part II. There is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the shards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the Catholic hierarchy. I could go on listing shocking things for an hour, probably. Take the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example. I'm reading a book on what happened there after Vatican Council II. The bishop, Antonio de Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the wake of Vatican II. He kept the traditional Mass, the same old catechisms, etc. He made sure the people knew their faith, the Catholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc. He innoculated the people against what was coming. Well, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement. It came when the Pope was sick. Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope recovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really wanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence. The Pope confirmed the decision. So the good bishop retired. The injustice that followed was completely incredible. A new bishop was installed. He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer's clergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New Mass. The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass. The people would promptly walk out of the church en masse. The bishop was *enraged* by this. He usually resorted to enlisting the help of the secular authorities to eject the priest from the church. The priests would just start building new churches; the people were completely behind them. The old parishes had the New Mass, as the bishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners. The prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to canon law. No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the traditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V. Nor is there any obligation to say the New Mass. During all this process, the people of Campos, not just private individuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending petitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist bishop. NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome. Eventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people. My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX don't jointly make such choice.) If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. If the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end of the controversy. That process is all very well understood in Catholic theology, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is an instant non-Catholic. The problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in the Catholic world. If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are doing, they would be shocked! We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. This isn't the case in the Catholic Church. There is a massive body of traditional teaching. The Popes of the last 150 years are especially relevant. There is no question at all what the traditional doctrine is. I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) That's heresy, more or less. Although they have done a great job since the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors spread that it's pitiful. Infallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole. In the short term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray. In fact, that's what usually happens during a major heresy: large sections of the Church go astray. (The Pope historically has been much more reliable.) Everything will always come back in the long run. What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, one way or the other. Yes, it would be honored. Infallibility is infallibility. But what is he going to define? That the New Mass is a better expression of the Catholic Faith than the old? That sex education in the Catholic schools is wonderful? That all religions are wonderful except for that professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II? It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. Not really; start studying the major Catholic theologians of the last 300 years. Everything is very well spelled out. The West excels at critical thought, remember? That's what Catholic theologians have been busy at for centuries. " 7392,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: NAVSTAR positions Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net C-3's bird may be flaking out and expecting to die soon. or C-3 may orbit over major users areas, and it may be needed to provide redundancy on that plane while b-4 may orbit over hicksville, and not have muc of a user community. pat " 7393,5,"From: rao@cse.uta.edu (Rao Venkatesh Simha) Subject: xrn , xarchie for HP's Nntp-Posting-Host: cse.uta.edu Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 10 Hi, I need xrn and xarchie for the HP's (9000/730, version 8 OS), either in the source form or, (preferably) in executable form. Please suggest where I can find this, Send e-mail to: rao@cse.uta.edu Thanks in advance, Rao. -- SSC " 7394,2,"From: jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) Subject: Looking for printer driver Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 8 I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody happen to know where I could find such a beast? Thanks in advance, Jerry -- ""Look ma! No .signature!"" " 7395,17,"From: zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) Subject: Legality of the Jewish Purchase (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh1fa Reply-To: zbib@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Lines: 134 Adam Shostack writes: > Sam Zbib writes >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive >>state, as a hostile action leading to war. > It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an > exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have > 400 000 arab citizens. Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of Israel right after it was formed. > And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile > action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing > to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It > is not a hostile action leading to war. No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about anti-trust in the business world. Since we are debating the legality of a commercial transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of investing, you can not acquire a large number of those shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). >>As to whether the Jews wanted to live in peace, maybe. >>However they wanted and still want an exclusively Jewish >>state, where Jews are in control and Jews are the masters of >>the land. Living in peace is meaningless unless it means >>living *WITH* someone else, as equal. For a native arab, this >>does not leave many options. > Oh, you mean like both Jews and Arabs being citizens? The >arabs who stayed are now citizens, with as much right to choose who >they vote for as the Jews. Again Adam, the devil is in the details. I don't want to get on a tangent here but its the same reasonning that says its OK to return 100 deportes and leave the rest. Because 100 is a nice number that you can devide by 10, 100 and besides, it has an integer square root. >>Those palestinians who stayed, actually stayed despite of what >>happened, and their number was somewhat tolerated as a defenseless >>and ineffective minority. >>If I were wrong, you'd have Israel recall all the >>palestinian refugees (we're talking millions). After all, >>they are civilians. > Huh? The people who left, did so voluntarily. There is no >reason for Israel to let them in. Do you actually believe this? My experience tells me that every palestinian I knew still keeps the key to his home, in Palestine. Besides they often refer to their exodus as an escape from hell (so to speak). I know none that agrees with you. Did you sample their opinions? I know you don't care, just being rethorical. >>Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it >>had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid >>flowing). > Israel got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It >still granted citizenship to those arabs who remained. And how >is granting citizenship a facade? Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews). Israel probably had a few options after 1948: ethnic cleansing Serbian style, and deserve the wrath of the international community, or make the best out of a no win condition: show the world how good Israel is towards the 'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there. So yes, they're there. But as a community with history and roots, its dead. >> Tell me something, Sam. What makes land ""arab?"" >How shall I explain, Its a contract between the man and the >land. Control isn't it. The Ottomans ruled 400 years, and >then left with barely a trace. The concept of Land identity >is somewhat foreign to the mobile and pragmatic West. It is >partly the concept of 'le sol natal', native soil. I know >that jews had previous history in the region, but none in >recent memory. I'm talking everyday life not archeology. > Try again, you tell me what its isn't, but you fail to > establish what it is. > Also, Jews did have history in Israel for over a thousand >years. There were lots of Jews slaughtered by Crusaders in Israel. >There was a thriving community in Gaza city from roughly 1200-1500. >Jews were a majority in Jerusalem from 1870 or so onwards. Does that >make the land Jewish? I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest Palestine? > Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu -- Sam Zbib Bell-Northern Research ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bitnet/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca VOICE: (613) 763-5889 FAX: (613) 763-2626 Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and no one else's " 7396,10,"From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Nntp-Posting-Host: euas27c42.eua.ericsson.se Nntp-Posting-User: euatno Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 78 rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter >of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on >NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: >Canadians: 400 >Americans: 100 >Europeans: 100 > Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top >25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick >of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the >Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and >""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, >and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other >teams is getting worse as well. Is the answer as simple as that you dislike russians??? > I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the >Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see >the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the >plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, >I'm not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). >Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. > With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly >only getting worse. And where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans?? Dont say that the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game. I mean, look at the way you play these days. Less fights and more hockey. Imho, canadian hockey has had a positive curve of development since the 70's when the game was more brute than beauty...... > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. Oh, look!! You don't like Finns either.... > I just don't want them on mine. Too bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe..... Hmmm... And what kind of a name is Rauser. Doesn't sound very ""canadian"" to me. ;-) PS. When analyzing teams like Italy, France and Great Britain you find that a lot of their players are ""Canadians"" with double citizenship... DS > > >-- >Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" >rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional >WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" >----------------- >""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai _________________ __________ / _ , /l / _/__()_/))_(/_/)_ _/ L/_()_/)_/)_ / / ******************************************************************** * Tomas Nopp Tel : +46 8 727 33 24 * * Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs Fax : +46 8 647 80 59 * * Box 1505 Email : Tomas.Nopp@eua.ericsson.se * * S-125 25 ALVSJO <------ Snailmail * ******************************************************************** " 7397,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 71 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu In article <1r27vo$425@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >:mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >: >:According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off >:began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh >:had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. >:These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of >:his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar >:to the way Jim Jones has been described. > >I don't know how accurate the documentary was; The documentary interviewed Koresh and current and ex-members. The documentary disucussed Koresh's ""Christ"" status inside the cult, cult brain-washing techniques, and unusual sex practices (the leader gets any he wants, and tells others when they can or can't). I will let others decide if using religious authority to have sex with a minor is technically child abuse or not. >however, Koresh was never >convicted of any crimes against children, nor was the BATF after him for >child abuse. >Their purview (in this case) is strictly in firearms violations, All true. >so this information is irrelevant to the discussion. Well, if a fire was deliberately set by members of the cult, then the history and background of the cult is very relevant. The history and backgournd of the Jones cult was very important in understanding what happened at Jonestown. Not taking into account the history and background of Koresh's cult may also help explain why the FBI and BATF so badly predicted the reponses they would get from inside the compund nearly every step of the way in this badly handled affair. >:FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background >:checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their >:decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill >:Koresh's own prophecy? > >Those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain *something*, but whether >their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know. And who >is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled? It only holds >meaning for the nine who survived. It is likely that there will be at least two investigations (JD and congress) at this point. >:>Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far, >:>no one else has been able to talk to them. >: >:So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same >:details, will you believe them? > >*IF* they confirm the story, I probably will. Definitely not until then, >however. Interesting and conflicting details are starting to come out. I have reverted back to wait mode to find out whether the fire was intentional or accidental and how it started and why it spread so fast. > >Mike Ruff >-- -- " 7398,13,"From: thom@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) Subject: Re: Thrush ((was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?))) Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 55 dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >>Dyer is beyond rude. I'll drink to that. >Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't threaten to rip your lips off, did I? >Snort. >>There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own >>knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what >>the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook. >Duh. Nice to see Steve still has his high and almighty intellectual prowess in tact. >>For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several >>past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional >>deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics. >Listen: thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite >characteristics. If you have thrush, you have thrush, because you can >see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it, it generally >responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's >anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses >is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics >who are convinced they have ""candida"" from reading a quack book. Yawn... >>My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >>After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >>When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >>I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. >So? Exactly my question to you, Steve. What's your point? This person had one, you didn't >-- >Steve Dyer Nice to see that some things never change, Steve, if you aren't being ignorant in one group [*.alternative] you're into another. One positive thing came out of it, you are no longer bothering the folks in *.alternative, it's just a shame that these people have to suffer so that others may breath freely. Sorry for wasting bandwidth folks. Don't forget to bow down once every second day, and to offer your first born to the almight omniscient, omnipotent, Mr. Steve. " 7399,14,"From: lazarus@katarina.dev.cdx.mot.com (John McGlaughlin) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Nntp-Posting-Host: katarina.dev.cdx.mot.com Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts Lines: 18 rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > ""Hey, I read sci.space!"" >Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) >(This will also help answer that nagging question: ""Just what is >the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?"") Don't you think it would be better to E-mail back to you that we read sci.space so that you can count them and every server in the world does not have to get BW'd to death. Or instead you could possible cut and past all the senders into a single post and save on header bandwidth.... Not meaning to be taken as a flame it's late and we have to work toward a demo .... little punchy -- -jftm- " 7400,15,"From: (Phil Bowermaster) Subject: C. S. Lewis is OK (was Ancient Books) Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 49 In article , mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) wrote: > > The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of > soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as > Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense > of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were > mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people > today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the > cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in > the medieval period ""knew the rules"" it was a matter of uncritically > accepting what they were told. > > Bill Mayne > > [This may be unfair to Lewis. The most prominent fallacy attributed > to him is the ""liar, lunatic, and lord"". As quoted by many > Christians, this is a logical fallacy. In its original context, it > was not. --clh] Exactly. C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately. First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing. Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his work.) Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what he considered himself to be -- ""a great coward."" OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents. - Phil - Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me. " 7401,1,"From: tychay@cco.caltech.edu (Terrence Y. Chay) Subject: TIFF (NeXT Appsoft draw) -> GIF conversion? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Summary: Help! Keywords: TIFF GIF graphics conversion NeXT Appsoft Okay all my friends are bitching at me that the map I made in Appsoft Draw can't be displayed in ""xv""... I checked... It's true, at least with version 1.0. My readers on the NeXT have very little trouble on it (Preview messes up the .eps, but does fine with the TIFF and ImageViewer0.9a behaves with flying colors except it doesn't convert worth *&^^% ;-) ) Please is there any way I can convert this .drw from Appsoft 1.0 on the NeXT to something more reasonable like .gif? I have access to a sun4 and NeXTstep 3.0 systems. any good reliable conversion programs would be helpful... please email, I'll post responses if anyone wants me to... please email that to. Yes I used alphachannel... (god i could choke steve jobs right now ;-) ) Yes i know how to archie, but tell me what to archie for ;-) Also is there a way to convert to .ps plain format? ImageViiewer0.9 turns out nothing recognizable.... terrychay --- small editorial -rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 2908404 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 73525 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff.Z and not using gzip! is it me or is there something wrong with this format? " 7402,5,"From: A.F.Savage@bradford.ac.uk (Adrian Savage) Subject: Searching for xgolf Organization: University of Bradford, UK Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] I recently found the file xgolf on a German ftp site (reseq.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de) but unfortunately the shar file was incomplete and the author's email address given in the readme file (markh@saturn.ee.du.edu) does not work. Can anyone assist by giving the location of a full version of this (or any other golf game for X) game, or a way of contacting the author? Please reply by email if you can help Ade -- Adrian Savage, University of Bradford, UK. Email: a.f.savage@bradford.ac.uk " 7403,7,"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 10 In article <0w2Z2B1w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes: >Fact is, I just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever >I need it... That will make it easy for a car thief. Saves him/her the trouble of popping your ignition! -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time! " 7404,5,"From: kavitsky@hsi.com (Jim Kavitsky) Subject: comp.windows.x.intrinsics Summary: Clipping of character's high order bit Nntp-Posting-Host: hsi86.hsi.com Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT Lines: 38 I am having a problem with the high order bit of a character being clipped when entered in an xterm window under motif. I have reprogrammed the F1 key to transmit a character sequence by using the following line in .Xdefaults: ~Ctrl ~Shift ~Alt F1 : string(0xff) string(0xbe) \n\ I merge in this line with xrdb -merge and then create the new xterm which has the remapped F1 key. The problem that arises is that the application which is recieving input at the time only sees a <7f> <3e> sequence, which is with the high order bit of each character being filtered or ignored. When I run xev and press the F1 key, I get the correct value showing up in the following two key events: KeyPress event, serial 14, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2067815294, (67,80), root:(74,104), state 0x0, keycode 16 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: """" KeyRelease event, serial 16, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2067815406, (67,80), root:(74,104), state 0x0, keycode 16 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: """" Notice that the keysym being transmitted is correct; 0xffbe. But when I use the F1 key while in vi or in a program I wrote to spit back the hex values of keyboard input, I only get <7f> <3e>. Does anyone know why the high order bit is being filtered and what I can do to make sure that the entire 8bits make it through to the final application? Any help is greatly appreciated. Please *email* any responses. Jim Kavitsky kavitsky@hsi.com " 7405,17,"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 39 In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > > BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like > Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money > or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered > to help out Bosnia? Obviously, you really don't know. They *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME), they have provided millions in aid, and they have participated in the airlifts to Sarajevo. They *would* supply military aid, if the UN would lift the embargo on arms sales. > The Turkish ambassador has ocassionally said > a thing or two, but that's all; I see no great enthusism from any > of those places to get *their* hands dirty. Why does the US always > get stuck with this stuff? > See above. (Kuwait has directly participated in the airlift of food to Sarajevo.) > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > don't count? Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are ""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. > > >---peter > > > " 7406,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 28 In article , sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > In article <15409@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >In article , mjcugley@maths-and-cs.dundee.ac.uk (Womble with Attitude) writes: # ## Absolutely nothing, seeing as there is no table for heterosexuals. # ## If, as you claim, the supposedly higher promescuity amongst homosexual # ## males makes them an insurance risk, you need to be show that # ## heterosexual males are less promiscuous than homosexual males. # ## Without the data on heterosexual males, we cannot make a comparison # ## between promiscuity rates of heterosexuals and homosexuals. # ## # ## * mjcugley@maths-and-cs.dundee.ac.uk (world) * # ## * or mjcugley@uk.ac.dund.maths-and-cs (UK) * # # Well, the obvious point to make is would straight men fuck like rabbits # if the oppertunity presented itself? # # I reckon *any* *man* would go wildly promiscuous if presented with a # huge variety of willing partners. The question here is not of being That, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up you are. # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! # Xavier -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 7407,3,"From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Yoda) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger) writes: >I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from >my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot >from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But >if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that >it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick >for me.) >Thanks, > Davebo You can try to get into the setup byt pressing CTRL-ALT-INS or CTRL-ALT-PrintScreen on most PC's. That should give you an option to set regarding the drives to boot from. " 7408,5,"From: queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) Subject: Store/Post events Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 31 store and reply of mouse and keyboard events -------------------------------------------- To produce regression tests or automatic demo's we would like to store all mouse and keyboard events produced by a user. It should be possible to filter the mouse and keyboard events from the server's queue an to store them in a file. This sequence of events, stored in a file, should be given to the server's queue as if a user is working. 1. Exists a tool that is capable to save and reply all mouse and keyboard events (where)? 2. Where one can catch these events to store them ? In our case the server's queue is on a X Terminal (HP). Where can we catch all events coming from a given server. If this is not possible, can we catch all events given to a certain client and how ? 3. Where one can send a stored sequence of events to simulate a user ? Is there a central dispatcher on the clients machine who manages all incoming events from a given server and how can we reach it ? Thanks in advance Ron. " 7409,5,"From: jdhuse@sedona.intel.com (Jon Dhuse~) Subject: a strange problem with text Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tasmania.intel.com Originator: jdhuse@sedona Hello, I am testing a port of X11R5 to Coherent, a unix clone OS for Intel architecture machines. I am seeing a strange problem with text in clients like xvt (a simple terminal emulator program). The problem manifests it self when the shell echoes typed characters back to the server for display, one at a time. The characters appear to be too closely spaced, with the result being that the 2nd character echoed destroys the rightmost edge of the first character, then the 3rd character destroys the rightmost edge of the second character, and so on. It looks like there is an invisible boundary around a character which obscures a portion of the previous character. There is no problem between the characters when the shell returns a complete line of text... only when the output is a series of individual characters. If anyone has any ideas what the problem might be, or where I should look to find it, it would be much appreciated. Regards and thanks, Jon Dhuse. -- Jon Dhuse | Internet: jdhuse@sedona.intel.com Intel Corp. CH3-69 | Phone: (602)-554-2685 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | Any opinions expressed are my own, Chandler, AZ 85226 | not my employer's. " 7410,9,"From: anderge@stein.u.washington.edu (Geoff Anderson) Subject: Re: Fenway Gif Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes: >I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif. >I would appreciate it if someone could send me one. >Thanks in advance. > >-Dan Me too! I would like any park or action gif or jpeg about baseball. Geoff " 7411,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ of Alabama Lines: 19 In article , ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) wrote: > > > When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without > any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without > experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? > > Ho Leung Ng > ng4@husc.harvard.edu You became older and your intestine normalized to the weaned state. That is, lactose tolerance is an unusual state for adults of most mammals except for h. sapiens of northern European origin. As a h. sapiens of asian descent (assumption based on name) the loss of lactase is normal for you. Steve Holland gila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu " 7412,5,"From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy) Subject: R4 Version of xrecplay Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: I-NET Inc. Lines: 14 I have and use xrecplay for X11R5. Does one exist for X11R4??? I have tried to contact one of the developers, Eric Swildens, at ess@hal.com but he is no longer there and has no forwarding email address. Archie is no help either. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov " 7413,3,"From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Subject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 In article <1r25nt$oa5@ratatosk.uninett.no> hktth@nho.hydro.com writes: >In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes: >|> Hi! >|> I recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B >|> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It > >One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it's the ASPICD) supports a /NORST >paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This >fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh >3401. > >Regards, > > -Terje It worked!!! Thank you very much! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad ""Hexabyte"" Jureidini * * The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. * ******************************************************************************* " 7414,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 29 [reply to aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)] >Medicine is not a totally scientific endevour. The acquisition of scientific knowledge is completely scientific. The application of that knowledge in individual cases may be more art than science. >There are diseases that haven't been described yet and the root cause >of many diseases now described aren't known. (Read a book on >gastroenterology sometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After >scientific methods have run out then it's the patient's freedom of >choice to try any experimental method they choose. And it's well >recognized by many doctors that medicine doesn't have all the answers. Certainly we don't have all the answers. The question is, what is the most reliable means of acquiring further medical knowledge? The scientific method has proven itself to be reliable. The *only* reason alternative therapies are shunned by physicians is that their practitioners refuse to submit their theories to rigorous scientific scrutiny, insisting that ""tradition"" or anecdotal evidence are sufficient. These have been shown many times in the past to be very unreliable ways of acquiring reliable knowledge. Crook's ideas have never been backed up by scientific evidence. His unwillingness to do good science makes the rest of us doubt the veracity of his contentions. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 7415,9,"From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: > Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. > > For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, > > With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed > hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. > > Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts > lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis > Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell > is he thinking. Educate yourself before you rip on this years manager of the year. Lankford injured himself in a previous game and Torre was resting him. As far as the Whitten/Gilkey controversy. Whitten adds some more needed power, and if Jordan continues to hit the way he has been, Gilkey will find himself in the starting lineup soon enough. Sam > Brian Landmann > Georgia Institute of Technology > Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu " 7416,8,"From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr5.094451.8144@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish >in a barrel. Or little children at the market. (Or is that the Irish? Hard to keep all you not-really-English types straight.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu " 7417,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: HYPOGLYCEMIA Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 19 >From: anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) >Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is >dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the >other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood Blood glucose levels of 40 or so are common several hours after a big meal. This level will usually not cause symptoms. >test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo- >glycemic? If you mean ""reactive"" hypoglycemia, there are usually no symptoms, hence there is no disease, hence the dietary recommendations are the same as for anyone else. If a patient complains of dizziness, faintness, sweating, palpitations, etc. reliably several hours after a big meal, the recommendations are obvious - eat smaller meals. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 7418,9,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: mile high runs Article-I.D.: master.1psq90INNh93 Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu How many runs will be scored in Denver? I don't know. but some idea can be gotten by looking at the runs scored in Mile High Stadium during the last few years of the Bears/Zephyrs tenure in the American Association. Here's the total runs scored per game in Zephyrs games, all league games and the ratio. I found the same ratios for HR. Year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio 1992 10.22 9.10 1.12 1.65 1.58 1.04 1991 9.53 8.87 1.07 1.41 1.26 1.12 1990 10.71 8.72 1.23 1.49 1.24 1.20 1989 9.07 8.34 1.09 1.27 1.11 1.14 1988 9.90 8.37 1.18 1.29 1.08 1.19 1987 12.55 10.70 1.17 2.39 1.92 1.24 1986 9.45 9.33 1.01 1.35 1.38 .98 1985 9.50 8.54 1.11 1.53 1.34 1.14 1984 9.99 9.10 1.10 1.55 1.59 .97 1983 10.60 9.99 1.06 2.03 1.74 1.17 1982 11.29 10.35 1.09 2.24 1.91 1.17 1981 10.29 9.25 1.11 1.43 1.49 .96 1980 10.59 9.43 1.12 1.63 1.46 1.12 1446/13-->1.11 1444/13-->1.11 It seems pretty clear that Denver will have a large effect on runs scored (I'll stick with my prediction from last year that it'll be one of the top 3 in the NL this year) and a fairly large effect on Homeruns - though apparently not as large as Atlanta, Wrigley, Cincinnati and San Diego. Still it ought to be a pretty decent home run park. john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu " 7419,15,"From: daniels@math.ufl.edu (TV's Big Dealer) Subject: Re: Variants in the NT Text (cont.) Organization: Whatever Lines: 6 I wish to echo what D. Andrew Kille wrote. I know of no published form in English of the D-type recension of ""Acts"". Of course, Bezae is quite bizarre in the gospels as well. Only D-type texts share Bezae's strange readings. [By the way, ""D"" stands for Codex Claromontanus elsewhere.] Frank D " 7420,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Public-domain circuits in commercial applications Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 16 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >... Patent law says you can build anything >you want to, for your own personal noncommercial use... I'm not up on the details of US patent law, but I think this is incorrect. There is a ""reasonable use"" exemption for *copyright*. There is none for *patents*. The exemptions from patent licensing are quite narrow; R&D work is exempt but personal use is not. That is, it's okay to experiment with a patented idea, but not to put it to practical use (e.g. to improve your stereo), even if it's only your own private practical use. Of course, it is unlikely that discreet personal use will ever be detected or that you will ever be sued over it. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 7421,18,"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com In article mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes: > >> Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 > >This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists >in your .sigs, folks! Oh, darn. Okay, okay, let's stop slamming Ipser, and get on with making fun of other people. Alan " 7422,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500352:cdp:1483500353:000:3689 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 22 17:31:00 1993 Lines: 83 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Dear Josh I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions. Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers. 1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S. citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are just trying to mislead the reader ? Do you know of any democratic country where people are asked to reveal their ethnical or religious identity to any public official who so requests ? 2. The answer to the second question is evasive. There are all kinds of maps issued. They are not equivalent to State policy. You did not respond to my question. 3. Your answer to the third question (Israeli nuclear arsenal) is interesting. You say that Israeli 'probably' stocks nuclear weapons. What evidence have you for maintaining that ? 4. My fourth question was answered by someone else who posted a Ma'ariv article documenting such cases. I did not ask about cases like Vanunu (everybody knew he was tried and imprisoned) but about those about whom nobody even knows that they have been tried and imprisoned. 5. Thanks for clarifying the question concerning the legal status of the inhabitants of the occupied territories. From it I understand that there are two sets of laws in these ares, one for the occupier (civil law) and one for the occupied (military law). The law allows Israeli Arabs to settle in Hebron, it seems. If so, why doesn't it allow Hebron Arabs to settle in Israel ? 6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ? Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in his homeland ? 7. Somebody answered my 7.question regarding Y. Rabin signing an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948. According to that information, Y. Rabin signed the order for the expulsion of all inhabitants of Lydda and Ramleh, about 50,000 people. These expulsions were helped by massacres of civilians and other atrocities which remind Bosnia. I was referred to a book by Israeli journalist Benny Goodman called The Origin of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, published by Cambridge University Press. Is this book available in your library ? 8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want Arabs ? 9. My question about the lack of civil marriage in Israel was whether it is true that the Israeli legislator intended to discourage intermarriage. You did not address this question but evaded it by saying that the 'entire religious establishment wants to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory. I would be glad to have some more input from you after these comments. Elias " 7423,17,"From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Reply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 43 In article , ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: > Yeah, too much Mutlu/Argic isn't helping. I could, one day, proceed and You shouldn't think many Turks read Mutlu/Argic stuff. They are in my kill file, likewise any other fanatic. > >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met > >so many Greeks who wouldn't even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my > >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks) > > Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help. Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to believe for somebody trying to be objective. When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? Do you think it was your right to be there? I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it was a positive attempt to make the relations better. The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals why the hatred? So that makes me think that there is some kind of brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish encounters during your schooling. take it easy! -- Tankut Atan tankut@iastate.edu ""Achtung, baby!"" " 7424,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by Nf-ID: #R:1993Apr19.223054.10273@cirrus.co:779683862:cdp:1483500351:000:2238 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 21 04:44:00 1993 Lines: 42 In my postings I have made a proposal for comments and discussion. Those who don't want to discuss its merits and drawbacks are not forced to do so. However I would make anybody who incites others to harm me or harass in a personal manner, legally responsible for their deeds. I cannot accept and will not accept threats to my personal integrity and I urge anybody who opposes terror to refrain from direct or indriect threats. PS: My proposal has nothing to do with Nazi eugenics. It has to do with the search for peace which would enable justice. I don't consider that justice is done, when non-Jews who fled or were expelled in 1948/1967 are not permitted to return to their homeland. This can at best be called pragmatism, a nice word for legitimizing the rule of the strong. It can never be called justice. And peace without justice will never be peace. It is my conviction that the situation in which a state, through the law, attempts to discourage mixed marriages (as Israel does), is not normal. Such a state resembles more Nazi Germany and South Africa than Western democracies, such as the United States, in which Jews are free to marry whom they wish and do so in the thousands. My proposal may have drawbacks but it is meant to force anybody to anything, just to compensate for a certain time mixed couples for the hardships tehy endure in a society which disapproves of intermarriage.When the day will come and Israel will become a truly civil and decmoractic society, in which the state is not concerned with the religious or ethnic affiliation of its constituency, such a Fund would not be needed any more. I don't mind if Jews wish to marry Jews and keep their traditions, why not ? But this is not the affairs of a state. Western democracy clearly separates these domains and I am certain that most American Jews enjoy this fact and would not love to live in a state termed Christian State and to have their Green cards stamped with a mark JEW. I would ask those who are genuinely interested in an exchange of views and personal experiencces to refrain from emotional, infantile outbursts which might leed readers to infer that Jews who respect Judaism are uncivilized. Such behaviour is not good for Judaism. Elias " 7425,1,"From: johnm@spudge.lonestar.org (John Munsch) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 16 In article rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >Read Issue #2 of Wired Magazine. It has a long article on the ""hype"" of >3DO. I've noticed that every article talks with the designers and how >""great"" it is, but never show any pictures of the output (or at least >pictures that one can understand) Gamepro magazine published pictures a few months ago and Computer Chronicles (a program that is syndicated to public tv stations around the nation) spent several minutes on it when it was shown at CES. It was very impressive what it can do in real time. John Munsch P.S. Don't take that to mean that I believe that the system is going to take over the world or something. Just that it clearly has a lot more horsepower than any of the VIS, CD-I, Sega CD, or Turbo Duo crowd. " 7426,3,"Organization: Penn State University From: Greg Spath Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Distribution: inet <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> Lines: 12 In article , s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) says: > >In <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes: > >>I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain >>why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. > >I think it's simply because DOS doesn't use the IRQ for anything. OS/2 does, >so with that you can't share the IRQ. > That is correct. in DOS you can use IRQ 7 for your SB.You can't do that under OS/2 because it uses IRQ 7 for the printer " 7427,14,"From: bafta@cats.ucsc.edu (Shari L Brooks) Subject: Re: Into Infinity?(WAS:Re: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan?) Organization: University of California - Santa Cruz Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu Summary: me too! Keywords: cheesy science fiction In article <1993Apr18.171148.6367@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: >Later on, the Andersons tried to shed their reputation as creators of some >of the worst pseudo-scientific shows in TV history by flying ""Into Infinity."" >This was a one-off thing done as part of BBC's ""educational SF"" series ""The >Day After Tomorrow."" The Anderson episode dealt with a spaceship capable of >reaching the speed of light (""lightship Altares""), the four-man crew >eventually journeyed into a black hole and ended up on the far side of the >galaxy (I think). I saw this as a 9-year-old back in 1976 and liked it very >much, but then again I was a fan of SPACE:1999 so I guess I was easily >satisfied in those days:-) Wow. I was beginning to think that I had made that up. I remember that movie (it was about 1.5 hours long). I don't think they ended up anywhere in the known universe. I remember they got a message halfway out to Proxima Centauri, that Earth transmitted a day after they launched, timed to catch up with them at the halfway point. I thought it was neat, I think I was all of 10 at the time. >Does anyone know if ""Into Infinity"" has been released on video? I have some >SPACE:1999 shows on VHS and know that Thunderbirds etc. also are available in >England. Space:1999 has just come out with 4 episodes released in American stores. I will look for the Into Infinity show, I never did know that was the name of it, I thought the show was called ""the day after tomorrow"", and that was it. -- If you blow fire against the wind, take care to not get the smoke in your eyes. Big & Growly Dragon-monster | bafta@cats.ucsc.edu --------> shari brooks <-------- | brooks@anarchy.arc.nasa.gov The above opinions are solely my own. " 7428,18,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: > Look at the whole picture, not just > randomly picked libertarian positions. If government is not allowed to > use ""non-initiated force"" to achieve its goals, than no special interest > can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. Either the government has force available to it, or it doesn't. The Libertarian position is that the government can use force only when someone else uses force first -- even when that first force is not directed against the government, but one of its citizens. That all being true, what safeguards do we have against the government CLAIMING that some initiation of force on its part is really a response? (Like the burning of the Maine, the Tonkin Gulf incident, or the assault on Waco?) I ask this not to argue, but to understand. (Followups to alt.politics.libertarian only.) -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 7429,1,"From: beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) Subject: Photoshop for Windows Organization: Groupe de Recherche Operationnelle en Telecommunication (ROT) Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 13 I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. Thank you. Andre Boisvert beaver@rot.qc.ca " 7430,6,"From: LLARSEN@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: >>> porsche 928<< Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 6 posting for a friend 1982 porsche 928 new this vehicle was $74,000 today book list this vehicle between 11,500 to 15,000 perfect in every way with all options including new paint, leather interior, sunroof and low miles call (408) 264-4444 ask for frank and lets negotiate trades considered " 7431,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Second Law (was: Albert Sabin) Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 Joel Hanes (jjh00@diag.amdahl.com) wrote: : Mr Connor's assertion that ""more complex"" == later in paleontology : is simply incorrect. Many lineages are known in which whole : structures are lost -- for example, snakes have lost their legs. : Cave fish have lost their eyes. Some species have almost completely : lost their males. Kiwis are descended from birds with functional : wings. Joel, The statements I made were illustrative of the inescapably anthrpomorphic quality of any desciption of an evolutionary process. There is no way evolution can be described or explained in terms other than teleological, that is my whole point. Even those who have reason to believe they understand evolution (biologists for instance) tend to personify nature and I can't help but wonder if it's because of the limits of the language or the nature of nature. Bill " 7432,3,"From: chau@hao.ucar.edu (National Center for Atmospheric Research) Subject: Looking for books Distribution: na Organization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303 Lines: 3 Hi netters! I'm looking for books that showing how to fix your own hardware problem. Please let me know if you have any books in mind. Thanks. " 7433,13,"From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: quality control in medicine Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:19:29 GMT In article <9307@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Kenneth Gilbert, kxgst1+@pitt.edu writes: >situation. QA activities are a routine part of every hospital's >administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies. There >are even entire publications devoted to QA issues. Indeed. I spend about 60% of my time dealing with quality stuff. It is a hot number. Two journals worth looking at are:- Quality Review Bulletin. Pub:Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations, one Renaissance boulevard, Oakbrook Terrace, IL 60181 Quality in Health Care. BMJ Publishing Group, Box No. 560B, Kennebunkport, ME 04046 Don Mackie - his opinions UM Anesthesiology will disavow " 7434,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: ( I am almost sure that Zyklon-B is immediate and painless method of > death. If not, insert soem other form. ) > > And, ethnic and minority groups have been killed, mutilated and > exterminated through out history, so I guess it was not unusual. > > So, you would agree that the holocost would be allowed under the US > Constitution? [ in so far, the punishment. I doubt they recieved what would > be considered a ""fair"" trial by US standards. Don't be so sure. Look what happened to Japanese citizens in the US during World War II. If you're prepared to say ""Let's round these people up and stick them in a concentration camp without trial"", it's only a short step to gassing them without trial. After all, it seems that the Nazis originally only intended to imprison the Jews; the Final Solution was dreamt up partly because they couldn't afford to run the camps because of the devastation caused by Goering's Total War. Those who weren't gassed generally died of malnutrition or disease. mathew " 7435,11,"From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Subject: Re: PEM and MIME Organization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA Lines: 54 Distribution: world In article <1qg8m2$2e5@nigel.msen.com> emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >W C Newell Jr (wcn@u.washington.edu) wrote: > >>Before we can have a global multimedia e-mail solution, there must be some >>definition of a minimum service level, and MIME does not provide for this >>(yet). > >Before the Internet will invest in software, people need to see content. >I would suggest that 50 attractive MIME formatted news messages a day would be >sufficient to get a few people thinking about adding MIME support to news >readers, esp if the content is really worth it. > >>IMHO, we have a long way to go before the Unix-specific MUAs, newsreaders, etc >>reach the service levels of the other commercial platforms. There ought to be >>such a definition, consisting of known object data types and rules for their >>handling, included in the transport specification document. > >Yes. But there is also a long way to go before most Mac, PC, and Windows >MUAs and newsreaders are ready to handle the sheer volume of news and mail >that many Unix specific tools are able to cope with. When the choice is >""more feechurs"" or ""make the damn thing fast enough to keep up with the >flood"", you have to bet that ""fast enough"" wins. Ed, as usual, makes a very good point. One time a friend of mine at Sun sent me an e-mail. He composed it using the Sun OpenWindows 3 ""mailtool"" which handles (non-MIME) ""attachments"" and the like. Since I don't use ""mailtool"", I had to manually save it, cut & paste, and then ""uudecode"" the actual attachment. What I got - after a not-inconsiderable amount of time spent doing this - was an audio file. The original message was over 32Kb of mail headers and uuencoded data; the resulting audio message was a single sentence that I transcribed as a 135 character message. If he had sent me the sentence in plain text, the e-mail would have been around 250 bytes, and it would have taken me about 3 seconds to process it at most. Instead, it was 32k and it took at least a minute. A complete waste of (my) time and bandwidth, as far as I'm concerned. Sending plain text is still the most efficient method of transmission, given the same transport mechanism. I shudder to think what would happen if everyone started posting their Usenet articles as audio files instead of plain text! Meltdown of the Net predicted! Film at Eleven! Back to Mono! (-: [This sub-thread no longer has anything to do with PEM or administrative] [policy, so I've redirected followups back to comp.mail.mime ... - Greg ] -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle " 7436,5,"From: envbvs@epb11.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith) Subject: Re: I need source for splines Article-I.D.: dog.30237 Distribution: world Organization: lbl Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.123 In article <1ppvhtINN814@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>, glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: |> In the Xlib Programming Manual (O'Rielly Associates) it is pointed out |> that routines for drawing splines is not included in Xlib, but extensions |> are publicly available. I need spline routines which work within the X |> environment. |> |> I have previously posted a similar request and got two responses, both |> directing me to the Interviews package at interviews.stanford.edu. I |> got it, but it is too much. It looks like too much work to try to |> identify, extract and modify relevant components. I am looking for |> code that is not encumbered by a complex and extensive framework which |> is beyond our needs. We just need the spline ""extensions"" to the Xlib. Look in xfig. It has two types of spline algorithms and is relatively simple. Xfig is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/R5fixes/xfig-patches/xfig.2.1.6.tar.Z -- Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov) Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that. " 7437,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Need Info on RSD Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13 In article <1993Mar27.004627.21258@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> lrd@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM writes: >I just started working for a rehabilitation hospital and have seen RSD >come up as a diagnosis several times. What exactly is RSD and what is >the nature of it? If there is a FAQ on this subject, I'd really >appreciate it if someone would mail it to me. While any and all Reflex sympathetic dystrophy. I'm sure there's an FAQ, as I have made at least 10 answers to questions on it in the last year or so. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7438,3,"From: chau@hao.ucar.edu (National Center for Atmospheric Research) Subject: Please help! (looking for books) Distribution: na Organization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303 Lines: 6 Hi netters! I often have troubles with my PC and would like to fix it by myself. Is there any book that show you how to fix your own PC (hardware, monitor, printer problems..etc). Of course, no book would tell you the exact problem with your PC, but at least it will give a general idea what might be wrong. Thanks so lot for your help. " 7439,2,"From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari) Subject: Re: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line Organization: Lost In Space Lines: 32 In <1993Apr21.143250.14692@bmers145.bnr.ca> masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) writes: >I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently. >Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I >guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for >the current selection. If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get >an exact byte count. >Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating! >If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'. >If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes', >not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes! If I select 893,352 it will report only >893 bytes in the selection. If I select over a Meg worth of files, say >3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes! It's as if it's got a problem with displaying >more than 3 characters! >My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1. I've run >the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything. >Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting >of the status bar in the FileManger? It sounds like something/one may have set the 1000's separator to ""."" in Contol Panel (under International). This makes 23,482 look like 23.482 and File Manager is chopping off what it thinks is the decimal part of the file size. 3,356,345 becomes 3.356.345, and again, File Manager is confused by the decimal points where there should be commas, chopping off everything to the right of the first period. -- Tony DeBari FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us CI$: 73117,452 UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd *P*: GHRW14B a.k.a. Skip Bowler, captain of USENET Fantasy Bowling League Team 9. " 7440,12,"From: karplus@cse.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) Subject: Re: decoupling caps - onboard Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Lines: 38 Reply-To: karplus@ce.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) NNTP-Posting-Host: ararat.ucsc.edu I've used on-chip capacitors to reduce ground-bounce noise on a small systolic array chip that had 50pF loads on the clock lines. (Design was in 2-micron n-well cmos, using the MOSIS scalable design rules.) Here are some thoughts on the bypass capacitors: 1) They don't help much with simultaneous output switching--there is still a large inductance between the bypass capacitor and the load capacitor (on both the signal line and the ground return), so you still get ground and power line bounce. 2) They do help a lot with on-chip loads, as I had with the high load on the clock lines. 3) The transients you are trying to suppress are really high frequency, so forget about large areas of poly-thin-oxide-diff capacitors, since the RC time constant is too large. What I did is to make a metal2, metal, poly, diff sandwich, but put a lot of holes in the poly layer, allowing frequent diff-metal1 contacts. I forget exactly how wide the poly lines were. If I were doing this design again, I'd probably omit the diff altogether, and use a solid poly sheet instead, using just m2, m1, and poly (and substrate, but that has such a high resistance it can be ignored at these speeds). 4) You are probably better off trying to tune your circuit to run with slightly slower edges and lower voltage swings (especially for output signalling), than spending chip area on capacitors. I had spare space on the die since the circuit was too big for a MOSIS tiny chip, and the next size up was twice as big as I needed. Kevin Karplus -- Kevin Karplus karplus@ce.ucsc.edu Due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel is being turned off. " 7441,0," wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Mar30.205919.26390@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1pcnp3INNpom@gap.caltech.edu> <1pdjip$jsi@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pi9jkINNqe2@gap.caltec Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1pi9jkINNqe2@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>>How long does it [the motto] have to stay around before it becomes the |> >>>default? ... Where's the cutoff point? |> >>I don't know where the exact cutoff is, but it is at least after a few |> >>years, and surely after 40 years. |> >Why does the notion of default not take into account changes |> >in population makeup? |> |> Specifically, which changes are you talking about? Are you arguing |> that the motto is interpreted as offensive by a larger portion of the |> population now than 40 years ago? No, do I have to? I'm just commenting that it makes very little sense to consider everything we inherit to be the default. Seen any steam trains recently? jon. " 7442,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: Prednisone...what are the significant long term side effects? Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ of Alabama Lines: 30 > >I have been taking prednisone 5mg twice a day for a while to control > >Ulcerative Colitis. It seems like if I reduce the dosage, the problem > >becomes worse. At this point, i see myself taking prednisone for a long > >long time, perhaps for ever. I was wondering about long term major side > >effects, things like potential birth defects, arthritis etc. I have been > >putting on weight, my face looks puffed and round, experience sudden mood > >swings. As I understand, these are all short term. I second what Spenser Aden said in reply. Additionally, it is hard to say what type of response you ar3e having to prednisone since you did not say how long you have been on it. Patients are generally kept on steroids for months before thinking about tapering. Alternatives to daily dosing are every other day dosing, in your case 20mg every other day would be a start. Another option if it is not possible to get you off prednisone is to start azathioprine. Like Spenser said, you should generally be on another drug in addition to your prednisone, like asulfidine. A lot of the specifics about options, though, depends on severity, location, and duration of disease, as well as histology, so take advice off the net for what it is worth. I treat patients with UC and Crohn's. An educated patient is a good patient, but let your doctor know where the advice came from so things can be put in context. You should also be a member of the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 office / 1-800-343-3637 info hotline. Best of Luck to you. Steve Holland. gila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu " 7443,6,"From: dwf@kepler.unh.edu (Dennis W Fitanides) Subject: 2400 baud External modem $25 (mint) Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Lines: 3 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu box, manual, phonecord $25 + shipping Dennis " 7444,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 27 In article <1qlb7oINN684@shelley.u.washington.edu> jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan) writes: >20:52 P.S.T. I come to my senses and accept the all-knowing >wisdom and power of the Quran and Allah. Not only that, but Allah >himself drops by to congratulate me on my wise choice. Allah rolls a >few bones and we get down. Then Allah gets out the Crisco, bends >over, and invites me to take a spin around the block. Wow. >20:56 P.S.T. I realize that maybe Allah is looking for more of a >commitment than I'm ready for, so I say ""Man, I've got some >programming to do. Gotta go. I'll call you."" >20:59 P.S.T Thinking it over, I renounce Islam. What loyalty! Jim, it seems you've been reading a little too much Russell Hoban lately. As Hemingway said, my imitators always imitate the _bad_ aspects of my writing. Hoban would, no doubt, say the same here. Gregg " 7445,4,"From: davisson@stein.u.washington.edu (Gordon Davisson) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr16.091202.15500@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>, I said: >> I know that plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on is ""not >> supported"", and you can hit problems if you have multiple devices with >> clashing addresses, and all that. >I've had a couple of e-mail responses from people who seem to believe that >this sort of thing is not only unsupported, it is downright dangerous. > >I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I >asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for >years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging >ADB devices with the power on. Noooooooo! I've been servicing Macs for years too, and I've had to repair a number of motherboards that had been damaged this way. It's rare, but it does happen. Mind you, this doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. The parts that can blow (the ADB power fuse and RF filter) aren't too expensive, so IF you have a someone around who can do component-level repair, it may be worth the risk (especially if you're around Seattle, 'cause you might get to pay *me* to fix it :-)).. On the other hand, if your only repair option is the Apple-standard logic board swap (major $$$$), you should probably play it safe. >SCSI, yes, ADB, no... SCSI: yes, ADB: yes, Floppies: yes... They can all cause trouble. -- Gordon Davisson davisson@stein.u.washington.edu Westwind Computing (206) 632-8141 4518 University Way NE, Suite 311, Seattle WA 98105 " 7446,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: THE METS ARE RAPISTS!! Nntp-Posting-Host: mozzarella.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 19 ""Todd Karlin"" writes > I do not read Klapisch's news columns regularly, but I > do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator > that enjoys (hopefully for only professional reasons) to drumb > up a news story, even if there isn't one there. Now as far as > the confrontation with Bobby Bonilla a few days ago, I almost > totally blame Bonilla. No matter what a member of the press > does, and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might > be, that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a > journalist. Bonilla wasn't threatening anyone. He just wanted to give him the dollar tour. =^) -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 7447,13,"Subject: Burzynski's ""Antineoplastons"" From: jschwimmer@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (Josh Schwimmer) Distribution: world Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA Nntp-Posting-Host: consultants.con.wesleyan.edu Lines: 20 I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable responses of his subjects during clinical trials. What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a treatment that didn't seem promising. Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated. -- Joshua Schwimmer jschwimmer@eagle.wesleyan.edu " 7448,9,"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville >>>$ mlb -m pit phi >>> Monday, 5/10 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) >>> Tuesday, 5/11 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) >>> Wednesday, 5/12 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) >>> Friday, 6/25 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) >>> Saturday, 6/26 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:05 pm) >>> Sunday, 6/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (11:35 am) >>> Friday, 7/30 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) >>> Saturday, 7/31 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:05 pm) >>> Sunday, 8/ 1 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (11:35 am) >>> Monday, 9/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) >>> Tuesday, 9/28 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) >>> Wednesday, 9/29 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) >>> Thursday, 9/30 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) >> >> >> Are these times correct?? >> >> They seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems >> for these two teams. >> > > The origin of that first message was Boise, which is on Central time. > > P. Tierney Whoops! I meant Mountain Time. P. Tierney " 7449,13,"From: kjiv@lrc.edu Subject: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC Lines: 22 Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to prevent asthma); Vancenase. Also: You may have guessed, I'm an allergy sufferer--but I'm beginning to suspect I'm also the victim of a Dr. toliberal with the prescription p. The allergist I went to last Oct. simply inquired about my symptons ( I was suffering chronic asthma attacks), gave me a battery of allergy tests, and went down a checklist of drugs (a photocopied sheet). I've gained out 30 lbs. since then though I haven't eaten more or much differently than before; I'vsuffered depression; , fatigue; and I've experienced a foul smell and sense of taste for about the last two months. I mentioned the lack of smell and taste to this Dr. in Feb. and he said my sinuses did look a bit swollen (he just looked up my nose with his little light--the same one used for ears), and prescribed Prednisone and Sulfatrim DS (severe headaches and a rash resulted, particularly after my week's worth of Prednisone ran out). Now he wants to do a rhinoscopy to see if I have a bleeding ulcer or polyps in my sinus cavities. I'm considering seeing another doctor. Any suggestions/advice? I'd really appreciate it! " 7450,8,"From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) Subject: Re: Re: Inverted Fork needed Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 18 In rec.motorcycles, Matthew Mark Mueller writes: > Help! > > I need the left side inverted fork for a 92' GSX-R 750 so I can go to > track practice at Nelson Ledges next weekend. Hey, what do we look like, a parts store? Has it ever occurred to you to visit your dealer and fork out the bucks for a new one? What are the chances of someone happening to have a '92 part laying around, much less one in working condition? Sheesh, some edu's. Besides, I only have the right side inverted GSX-R fork. It's already been converted into a floor lamp. -Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR '88 XR600-Shamu jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com AMA#540813 COHVCO '81 CB750F-Llamaha It's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs. -Jack Handey " 7451,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 14 In <1993Apr15.170715.29896@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes: |>Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower |>the cost and definitely make them safer to use. |I think so. And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol |and coffee). I'm addicted to chocolate myself. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 7452,2,"From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) Subject: ?Order of files written when exitting windows? Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 22 Trying to pin point a hardware problem with my disk, Maxtor 7213AT. Group files get corrupted on a regular basis. Only happens on this drive, D had only one corrupt file in over a year and it was under the control of winword on C. 32-bit disk access and smartdrive are off. Since installation of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for murder. Since the most frequent files corrupted are the *.grp files, are these the last thing written to when exitting Windows? Also, are there any pd/shareware utilities available that do a more thorough job than dos 6, NDD 4.5, etc? DOS 6 and Win 3.1 compatable. Thanks -- Mike Hayes |""Knowledge is good."" - Faber College Motto WWW |""Knowledge and Thoroughness"" -Rensselear Poly Motto Unemployed Tech, |""No, thank YOU!"" -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races' Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years. " 7453,14,"From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes... >Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes: >.... >>people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up >>and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D > >Seen that movie already. Or one just like it. >Come to think of it, they might send someone on >a quest to get rid of the dang thing... Actually, the idea, like most good ideas, comes from Jules Verne, not _The Gods Must Be Crazy._ In one of his lesser known books (I can't remember which one right now), the protagonists are in a balloon gondola, travelling over Africa on their way around the world in the balloon, when one of them drops a fob watch. They then speculate about the reaction of the natives to finding such a thing, dropped straight down from heaven. But the notion is not pursued further than that. -Scott -------------------- New .sig under construction Scott I. Chase Please be patient SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV Thank you " 7454,9,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.214032.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: > >> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning >> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much >> bigger role than in the 4-1 game. > >But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to >one run. Yeah, but what's your point? You still need the offense to score more runs than you allow, too. The Braves do have a fine pitching staff. But that's still only half the game. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 7455,2,"From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) Subject: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: slgsun.cb.att.com Lines: 18 Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution changed. I already have both video drivers that I need on my system, so that isn't a problem. Thanks, Sean. --- Sean L. Gilley sean.l.gilley@att.com <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE! 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w) " 7456,18,"From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu Subject: e-mail to the hill ?? Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA Lines: 4 Now, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also going on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them?? I'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address. please e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop. " 7457,9,"Subject: Re: Sparky Anderson Gets win #2000, Tigers beat A's From: tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.cosc.georgetown.edu Lines: 33 In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >Tigers' manager Sparky Anderson gets his 2,000th career win as moments ago, >the Tigers completed a two game sweep over the Oakland A's at Tiger Stadium >by beating the A's 3-2. Here are the highlights: > R H E > Oakland 2 9 0 > Detroit 3 7 1 > > [game description deleted] > >In the post game interview (on WJR radio in Detroit), Sparky Anderson said >its one of the few times he's gotten emotional in his managing career. It >was a big moment for him, and I'm sure all of us Tiger fans are unanimously >very happy for him. And what a way to get number 2,000!. > > [woofing deleted] >--Randy > In another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was ""the best manager in basebal,"" explaining that to be part of the history of Sparky softened the blow of losing. Go Tigers!!! Tim Timothy Law Snyder Department of Computer Science Reiss 225 Georgetown University Washington, DC 20057 tim@normal.georgetown.edu " 7458,2,"From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) Subject: Setting up three-user accounting system with WFWG Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 30 I am a novice (at best) in working with pc networks, and am in the process of planning a small accounting system for a small business. The particular need in this case is for three machines, each in a different office of the same building, each having access to a Windows-based accounting system. My first thought is to set up MS Windows for Workgroups on each of the machines (likely a 486 and two 386's) along with the appropriate Ethernet cards and cabling that come with the Windows for Workgroups starter kit (one additional user kit will be necessary). It then seems logical to purchase a simple multi-user accounting system, along the lines of DacEasy or M.Y.O.B., and fire it all up! The 486 will more or less act as server with a report/check printer attached to it. Cable runs of 30-40 feet will be necessary for this setup. Well, this all seems too easy to me. Would any of you network gurus out there tell me if I am out of my mind here? Any and all suggestions, however trivial, will be immensely appreciated. My apologies if this has been brought up before. Thanks! John -- John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92 Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsRushBelaFleck -- John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92 Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsBC++RushDWeckl " 7459,14,"From: isaackuo@skippy.berkeley.edu (Isaac Kuo) Subject: Re: Abyss--breathing fluids Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: skippy.berkeley.edu Are breathable liquids possible? I remember seeing an old Nova or The Nature of Things where this idea was touched upon (it might have been some other TV show). If nothing else, I know such liquids ARE possible because... They showed a large glass full of this liquid, and put a white mouse (rat?) in it. Since the liquid was not dense, the mouse would float, so it was held down by tongs clutching its tail. The thing struggled quite a bit, but it was certainly held down long enough so that it was breathing the liquid. It never did slow down in its frantic attempts to swim to the top. Now, this may not have been the most humane of demonstrations, but it certainly shows breathable liquids can be made. -- *Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * ___ * * _____/_o_\_____ * Twinkle, twinkle, little .sig, *(==(/_______\)==) * Keep it less than 5 lines big. * \==\/ \/==/ " 7460,18,"From: de@cup.hp.com (Dan Epstein) Subject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3 Nntp-Posting-Host: capella.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 19 Phill Hallam-Baker (hallam@dscomsa.desy.de) wrote: : First off they could recognise Iraqu's responsibility in initiating the : Iran/Iraq war. Providing technical assistance to Iran to get it's oil : production back up to capacity would also be a smart move, at the moment : Iran is above it's OPEC ceiling. If they had extra capacity they would : use it and bring down the oild price further which is in our interests. I agree with most of what Phill says, except the point about it being in our interests to bring down the oil price. Consider that both the U.S. and Great Britain have domestic sources to partly satisfy their energy needs. Pricy OPEC oil impacts both Germany, Japan and many other ""industrial rivals"" more than these two. In addition, the proceeds from the sale (especially by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait U.A.E. etc) are disproportionately reinvested in the U.S. and G.B., propping up these economies and further providing an incentive to keep prices from falling too low. Dan Epstein " 7461,2,"From: q@twg.com (Michael Wiesenberg) Subject: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money Summary: Any comparisons of Q6 and Tobias' MYM? Keywords: Quicken Tobias Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA Lines: 19 I just got a copy of Tobias' Managing Your Money v9.0. I have Quicken 6, and it's wonderful for some things, but MYM seems to have some features that Q6 doesn't. For example, Q6 doesn't seem to be able to handle monthly automatic deductions from a checking account (you know, a monthly payment that gets electronically deducted every month from my checking account). Or is there something that I'm not doing right, and Q6 can actually do that? Anyway, MYM seems to be able to handle monthly deductions. In fact, it can apparently do better than that. That is, you can specify monthly, bimonthly, quarterly, even yearly. Anyway, is anyone aware of a comparitive study of the two programs? Or can someone just give me their own personal impressions? Maybe someone who has used both. Or maybe someone who is familiar with each could give me a capsule review? Anything would be greatly appreciated. If I keep MYM, I have to pay for it, and I don't know whether it's worth doing. If MYM is better than Q6, of course I will keep it. But if Q6 can do everything MYM can do (maybe even better), I won't. Thanks all! If you post a reply, please also cc me. Thanks. " 7462,7,"From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR) Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 54 Distribution: world Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com In article IGw@world.std.com, edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes: >I am considering buying one of these two vehicles (new). >I want a fun-to-drive family vehicle that can go through anything. >The Jeep is very popular, and has the features. All-Wheel-Drive, 4 wheel >anti-lock, roomy passenger cabin (but limited cargo with an internal spare). >THe Toyota is an aging design with only part-time 4-wheel and only rear >anti-lock (and no anti-lock in 4WD!). It also has a very inconvenient >rear gate, not to mention awkward ingress to the passenger cabin. > Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range. How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget allows, the Land Cruiser? Bear in mind that 90% of all SUV's purchased never venture off-road. Carefully weigh the trade-off between comfort and off-road performance when choosing one, and realistically decide whether you'll actually make enough use of the off-road-ability to sacrifice (some of) the on-road comfort. John John " 7463,1,"From: sasst11+@pitt.edu (Scott A Snowiss) Subject: IMAGINE Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 16 Hello again netters, I finally received the information about Imagine for the PC. They are presently shipping Version 2.0 of the software and will release Version 3.0 in the first quarter of 1993 (or so they say). The upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 is $100.00. To purchase Imagine 2.0, it costs $495.00 or if you are upgrading from another eligible (call them for info) modeler, it is only $200.00 plus shipping & handling. It requires a PC with 4 Megs a Math Coprocessor, and Dos 5.0 or up and a Microsoft Mouse and SVGA card. Thanks for all your replies about the product. I have received many contrasting replies, but once I scrounge the money together, I think I will take the plunge. Thanks again. Here is the info for Impulse if you want to find out more or get the sheet they sent. Impulse Inc. 8416 Xerxes Avenue North Minneapolis, MN 55444 1-800-328-0184 Thanks again for all your replies. Scott -- Scott Snowiss sasst11+@.pitt.edu --Turn on...Jack in...Jack out... " 7464,5,"From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Subject: Re: X Toolkits Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 45 In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: >I am considering making a reasonably large application for free >distribution (probably copylefted). I am going to use X. Now I'm The following packages meet your criteria in that they are PD and present an aesthetically pleasant graphical interface to the users. If you can use 386bsd: there is xview3 (OpenLook) there is Interviews which looks a little like Motif there is gopath a very nice C++ toolkit for Athena Widgets and Motif which is simpler and better than interviews and you will enjoy technical support from Bull via e-mail It has a nice draw program (it uses motif) which can be used to create graphical front-end to programs. The data format is called streams which you can feed to your programs. I ported gopath on an internet machine which is gone but if you use gcc-2.3.3 with minimal effort gopath can be ported to 386bsd. Last but not least, gopath interfaces to toolkits via a driver module. They have an MS-Windows driver module for instance. Also, many have written extensions to tk/tcl thus allowing powerful applications. For instance, tcl_nm has snmp extensions for tk/tcl. With ease, I can now combine snmp network operations with graphs, photo-widget, graphical interface, file operations, database operations,etc.. The author of tcl_nm mail me a simple network management application which was about 80 lines long - it displayed various environmental parameters from a router. I wrote a simple strip chart script for displaying Real-Time ip received packets/seconds. Hope this helps, Amancio Hasty -- This message brought to you by the letters X and S and the number 3 Amancio Hasty | Home: (415) 495-3046 | ftp-site depository of all my work: e-mail hasty@netcom.com | sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/incoming " 7465,14,"From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,) Subject: Re: Space Debris Reply-To: landis@stsci.edu Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD Lines: 14 Another fish to check out is Richard Rast -- he works for Lockheed Missiles, but is on-site at NASA Johnson. Nick Johnson at Kaman Sciences in Colo. Spgs and his friend, Darren McKnight at Kaman in Alexandria, VA. Good luck. R. Landis ""Behind every general is his wife.... and... behind every Hillary is a Bill . ."" " 7466,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3 Lines: 84 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr13.234600.14061@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes: |>Here is a press release from the United States Information Agency. |> |> Digest of Foreign Media Reaction from the United States Information |>Agency April 12 (1 of 3) |> To: National Desk |> Contact: Anne Chermak of the United States Information Agency, |> 202-619-6511 |> |> WASHINGTON, April 13 -- Following is part one |>of a digest of foreign media reaction from April 1-12, compiled |>by the United States Information Agency: |> |> TERRORISM AND WORLD INSECURITY |> |> In recent editorials, Iran was universally recognized as |>te source of the double threat of state-sponsored terrorism |>and Islamic extremism. But beyond this fear and condemnation, |>journalists found little common ground that would compel both |>North and South, and Arab and non-Arab nations to work together |>to combat the global threat of terrorism. For example, Egyptian |>and Algerian papers were in the forefront in charging U.S. complicity |>in the current instability in the Middle East. Those commentators |>asserted that the United States had promoted Islamic fundamentalism |>during the Afghanistan War and had further added to regional |>instability by alternately encouraging Iraq and Iran. The cads! The fact that this is precisely what the US was up to of course is not mentioned. It is a fact that Regan and Bush sold arms to Iran, it is also a fact that they supported and armed Iraq. Still this is state dept propaganda so none too surprizing. |> India's papers weighed the pros and cons of helping the West to |>identify Pakistan's role in promoting terrorism, noting on the one |>hand that doing so could ""bring ruination to Islamabad's Kashmir |>cause"" but, on the other, could also bring India's security apparatus |>uncomfortably close to the CIA and the Mossad. Arab papers continued |>to portray Iraq and Libya as being unfairly treated by the UN while |>Israel remains unpunished for resolutions which it has violated. In the case of Lybia there is the problem that the US only decided that Gadffii ordered the bombing after it needed to make peace with damascus during the gulf war. One day the US is certain that its Syria, the next Lybia. For a strange reason the US will not provide evidence to Lybian courts for extradition proceedings. Faced with similar demands the USA would reject them as would any other country. |> Concerning Northern Ireland, President Clinton's message of |>consolation to the victims of the Warrington bombing was seen in |>British tabloids as signalling a tougher stance by the American |>government against violence by the IRA. The word is ""terrorism"". The problem is that after the behaviour of George Bush the USA has an image abroad as doing precisely what it likes and is in its own interests then comming out with a Dysney scripted sugary justification repeating a fitting combination of the words ""freedom"" ""dignity"" ""democaracy"" or of ""terrorism"" ""dictatorship"" etc as appropriate. The USA could go quite far to mend the bridges with Iran. The people there are rather pissed off because the USA first supported the Shah who they loathed and then supported Saddam when he mounted an unprovoked attack. Hardly surprizing after the embassy hostage crisis but Iran is meant to be the country run by unreasonable bigots not the USA so if there is to be movement it would be easier for the USA to move. First off they could recognise Iraqu's responsibility in initiating the Iran/Iraq war. Providing technical assistance to Iran to get it's oil production back up to capacity would also be a smart move, at the moment Iran is above it's OPEC ceiling. If they had extra capacity they would use it and bring down the oild price further which is in our interests. The Iranian clerics would have an interest in seeking a raprochment simply because a permanent war footing is debilitating. They also need western technology. Phill Hallam-Baker " 7467,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Jokes and International Relations Summary: Re: ISRAIL'e sicak bakmayanlara aydinlatici bir not... Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr19.213345.28299@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton. ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] wrote: [KK] Bugunlerde ""jewish jokes"" muhabbetlerinden esinlenerek sunu [KK] yazayim dedim. [KK] [KK] ""Israel was able to divert the Jewish lobby from the Greeks, [KK] for example, by persuading it that supporting the Armenian [KK] resolution which came before the Senate in February 1990 [KK] could help sour Turco-Israeli relations. In addition, the [KK] Israeli embassy in Washington was active in ensuring that the [KK] resolution failed, for instance by assisting Turkish Jews to [KK] travel to Wahington to underline the affinity between Israel [KK] and Turkey. [KK] [KK] There was no doubt about the debt which Turkey felt it owed [KK] to Israel over this matter. Even four months before the re- [KK] solution came up for consideration, as enior member of the [KK] Turkish Foreign Ministry said his country was ""very grateful"" [KK] to Israel, the cooperation, in his view, refelecting the [KK] maturity of the bilateral relationship. The experience over [KK] the Armenian issue has convinced senior figures in Turkey [KK] that the pro-Israel network in Washington can indeed deliver [KK] the desired results. [KK] [KK] [Robins Philip, ""Turkey and the Middle East"" 1991 Chathm House [KK] Papers. p. [KK] [KK] papers p.84] [KK] got to go now Not so fast! You have a rather warped sense of logic! You are telling us that because Israel wishes to have good relations with Turkey even at the expense of Armenians or Armenia, makes it bad for Turks to tell racist jokes against Jews. Thus, we can infer, if Israel had poor relations with Turkey, it would be alright to post such horrible jokes against Jews! You impress nobody. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 7468,11,"From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University Lines: 24 Thus said djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein): >Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is >a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a >new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three >keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole >knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as >E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it. > >The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when >someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M >the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C. >The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed >from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key >escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted? Given the description of the algorithm given, the only plausible explantion I can find is that K_P must be agreed to out of bandwidth in advance by the two parties; i.e. it's a standard shared symmetric key. -- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted Security through Diversion: n. Theory which states that the public availability of good computer games is vital to maintaining system safety. Contrast Security through Obscurity. " 7469,12,"From: rivero@sol.cie.unizar.es Subject: Video IO ideas? Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 7 Have anyone some idea about how to build a cheap, low resolution (or high :-) video projector... (example: a LCD and an slide projector) . " 7470,9,"From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) Subject: Dumb Fans (Was Re: Indians Woofing) Keywords: woofing Nntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5 Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 22 In article <795.2bcc3ee1@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> letizia@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >Do you mean just like Reds' fans? Have you listened to WLW anytime they open >up the lines for fans to call? Talk about clueless idiots! The broadcasters >are just as bad too. > >JL The New York talk shows are just awful in this regard. People are constantly calling WFAN and WABC with (stuff like) ""I was thinking, why don't the Yankees trade Kaminicki and Silvestri to Seattle for Ken Griffey Jr and Randy Johnson, that would really help the team"" or ""Do you think the Yankees can get Roger Clemens?"". The show hosts are pretty good about handling these guys, but it's still annoying. The best one was at the end of one show, a caller started out with ""I was thinking, why don't the Yankees trade for..."" and then the host hung up on him. I cheered! Michael " 7471,15,"From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 46 In article munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: >Eventually, we got around to how >we should pray in Jesus' name. Then, an excellent question came up, one >that I don't have a real answer to. The question was, ""If we need to pray >in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God >and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same >way now?"" ""And in that day you will ask Me no question. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you shall ask the Father for anything, He will give it to you in my name. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be made full."" -John 16:23-24 I don't believe that we necessarily have to say "" . . . In Christ's name. Amen,"" for our prayers to be heard, but it glorifies the Son, when we acknowledge that our prayer is made possible by Him. I believe that just as those who were saved in the OT, could only be saved because Jesus would one day reconcile God to man, He is the only reason their prayers would be heard by God. For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. -Isaiah 64:6, NAS Our prayers like the rest of our deeds are too unholy to go directly to the Father because they are tainted by our sin. Only by washing these prayers with Christ's blood are they worthy to be lifted to to the Father. ""First, I thank my God through Christ Jesus . . ."" -Romans 1:8, NAS Some scholars believe that this is Paul recognizing that even his thanks are too unholy for the Father. Basically, prayer is a gift of grace, I believe that only through Jesus do our prayers have any power; thus, praying in His name glorifies and praises Jesus for this beautiful and powerful gift He has given us. +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= Carter C. Page | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom, A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that, cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down, | we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=+-=-+-=+-=-+=-+-=-+-=-+=-+-= " 7472,4,"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid Subject: Re: SE Serial Port Speed???? Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from cmu.comp.sys.mac: 5-Apr-93 Re: SE Serial Port Speed???? by Samuel John Kass@andrew. > > Sorry, I got a bit technical. To answer your question, your Mac SE will > have no problem whatsoever communicating with any modem that is 57,600 > bps or less, and since modems THAT fast don't exist yet (in a > standardized form), there's no need to worry. > actually a 14.4 kbps modem using standard compression (v3.2 v4.2.bis?) cna reach 57,600 bps, however I have not seen any server modems that have hardware compression. I have been told the annex modems here break up at ~36k, but I have never seen faster than 14.4kbps. _A. " 7473,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Silence is concurance Distribution: usa Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 80 For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out that he (Jim) had taken a quote out of context: >In t.r.m. Robert Weiss writes [a promise from Psalm 9:10] >Gee, since you wouldn't be at all hypocritical, you must be really >busy arguing against these out-of-context extracted translations! He directed a similar accusation of hypocrisy, again based on a lack of response to an article by Robert Weiss, toward Stephen. I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and Jim Meritt took quotes out of context. Hence, I find it difficult to understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite. Needless to say, I don't have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote out of context. I asked Jim the following: >}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for >}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a >}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? Jim replied by saying >Did I either ask or assert that? But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject ""Silence is concurrence"": m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: >Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of >something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual >may be held responsible for that action? Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all. Does ""silence is concurrence"" imply that Jim thinks that because I didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this question; read what he has written and decide for yourself. But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion. Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help make it more clear, Jim), titled ""Inductive Logic"": >Scenario: >A white goose waddles past the door >A white goose waddles past the door >A white goose waddles past the door >...( repeat an uncountably large number of times)... >A black goose waddles past the door. An individual hits it with an axe. > >1. Given that the population of geese is uncountably large, and the size of the > confidence interval for the decision is undetermined, under what conditions > could a decision upon the behavior of the individual towards white geese > be made? > >2. If ONLY black geese are observed to be axed, is it not a valid question > to be concerned with the different behavior between black and white geese? More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large number of my articles? Could Jim mean that because I ""axed"" his articles, but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ... Well, I can't see where he is going with this. But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80 articles since January. The vast majority of them are discussions with Frank DeCenso and other inerrantists, where I take the position that they are making bad arguments. Some are discussions with Jim Meritt where I take the position that he is making bad arguments (a straw man argument earlier, and taking quotes out of context more recently.) Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it through your induction engine and see what pops out. dj " 7474,3,"From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com In article <1993Apr19.055039.29715@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au> oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) writes: [stuff deleted] >Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a >clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock >hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The >Get Date call notices that a ""midnight reset"" flag has been set, and then >then advances the date. > >Anybody with more info? There are two 'problems': (1) the BIOS TOD routine which updates the BIOS clock uses only 1 bit for day increment, so a second wrapping of the clock past midnight will get lost if no one calls the BIOS to read the clock in the meantime, and (2) the BIOS resets the day wrap indicator on the first 'get date' call from ANYBODY (after the wrap indicator has been set). So unless the first BIOS 'get date' call after midnight is done by the DOS 'kernel' (which is the only part of DOS which knows how to increment the date, the day wrap indication is normally lost. My guess is that Kevin's 'menu' system uses BIOS calls to read the clock (in order to display the time), and is hence the entity which causes the day wrap indication to get lost. Even if the 'menu' system 'notices' the day 'wrap' (which I think is indicated by a non-zero value in AL), there really isn't any particularly good way to tell DOS about it, so that DOS can update the day. The menu system 'should' use DOS calls to get the time, which would cause the DOS 'kernel' to do the BIOS call, and the wrap indicator would hence be processed properly. Possibly, though, the 'menu' system can't easily use DOS calls for time, because DOS is not reentrant, and perhaps time incrementing ofters occur while the 'menu' system is 'inside' some other DOS call. Wally Bass " 7475,2,"From: msk9@po.CWRU.Edu (Mahesh S. Khot) Subject: Quattro Pro File Format Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 12 Reply-To: msk9@po.CWRU.Edu (Mahesh S. Khot) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu We are trying to write a program which can read files created by quattro pro 3.0 and above. Would anyone know where to find information regarding the format in which Quattro Pro stores its files. Thanks in Advance Mahesh -- famous dummies = Madam Tussade's Wax Museum. Still at Case msk9@po.cwru.edu " 7476,5,"From: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) Subject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size? Reply-To: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, Darmstadt, FRG Lines: 78 Hello! In article <1993Apr17.144246.29806@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes: >In article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes: > >> Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of >> free memory available to the Xserver? > >No. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you >get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering >user actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc >error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available. > > der Mouse This isn't of much help! Especially when doing Phigs (PEX) via the libphigs as supplied by MIT, I have much trouble together with PEX-terminals that don't have enough memory! Performing the following: visual.visualid = CopyFromParent; bg_pix = WhitePixel( grafik_display, DefaultScreen( grafik_display ) ); xswa.backing_store = NotUseful; xswa.event_mask = ExposureMask | StructureNotifyMask; xswa.background_pixel = bg_pix; graphic_window = XCreateWindow( graphic_display, RootWindow( graphic_display, DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), 0, 0, DisplayWidth(graphic_display, DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), DisplayHeight(graphic_display, DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), (unsigned int)0, 8, InputOutput, &visual, CWEventMask | CWBackingStore | CWBackPixel, &xswa ); XMapWindow( graphic_display, graphic_window ); /** sync and wait for exposure event **/ XSync( graphic_display, False ); XWindowEvent( graphic_display, graphic_window, ExposureMask, &exposureEvent ); conn.display = graphic_display; conn.drawable_id = graphic_window; xinfo.display = graphic_display; xinfo.flags.no_monitor = 0; /* False -> Monitor is running! */ xinfo.flags.force_client_SS = 0; /* False! */ popen_xphigs( NULL, 0, PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_NO_MON | PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_CLIENT_SS | PXPHIGS_INFO_DISPLAY, &xinfo ); popen_ws( 1, (Pconnid)(&conn), phigs_ws_type_x_drawable ); I get core dumps in the popen_ws call! (No BadAlloc, etc.! Simply a core dump!) So I need some way of getting info about the maximal available memory to the Xserver! But thanks! Sincerly, Matthias -- Matthias Pfuetzner | @work: +49 6151 155-150 | @home: +49 6151 75717 6100 Darmstadt, FRG | ZGDV, Wilhelminenstrasse 7 | Lichtenbergstrasse 73 pfuetzner@igd.fhg.de, pfuetzner@zgdvda.UUCP | Keith Packard said: R5 is different from R4. That's why we changed the release number :-) " 7477,12,From: ba1634807@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg Subject: pwm control thru software Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: v9001.ntu.ac.sg Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore currently I am using the 8051 microcontroller with external eprom.. In order to drive the dc motor (with direction) I use the Pulse width modultion thru software control(Assembly language programming). However I am afraid that they will be overheads and thus alter the pulse timing. My question is is the software pwm control reliable?. I understand that port 0 is a latch and so I vary the duty cycle by setting it high first and at the desire duty cycle then I set low..? Any improments ? 7478,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: It is sickening to think that the Armenians are capable of such... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 329 In article <1993Apr9.140123.12253@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> halsall@MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU (Paul Halsall) writes: > It's curious that Serdar spend his time attacking Greeks and >Armenians. Who just happen to be historical opponents of Turkey. The Because, the x-Soviet Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. And they are doing 'it' again. Are you so blind? >problem is, everybody - Arab, Greek, Bulgar, Serb, Russian, Tartar, >Circassian, Persian, Kurd - is, or has been an opponent. Who has been Kurds 'R' us; Armenians 'R' not. >an ally? This historic circumstance seems to have taken a certain >toll on Serdar: perhaps he should be posting to alt.raving.nationalist >rather than soc.history? Excuse me? ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. A genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people in an attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime in history. It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and the Armenian dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed in the worst ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that the human race is capable of such actions, but there is no denying the fact that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslims happened. People of Turkiye deeply sympathize with those whose relatives were killed in the Turkish genocide. I understand their anger that there are those who still deny that the Turkish genocide indeed took place, despite the fact that the genocide of 2.5 million Turks has been well documented over the past six decades. We cannot reverse the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people because of their religion or their race. Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920. ""I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."" > Lets get somethings straight. Why not? >1. Armenians are no angels, but they were subject to Turkish genocide. And the Germans were subject to Jewish Genocide? Are you for real? Tell me 'Halsall', were you high on ""ASALA/SDPA/ARF"" forgeries and fabrications when you wrote that? Where is your non-existent list of scholars. Here is mine: During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year homeland. The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many others. J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, Princeton University. Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research Institute, University of Pennsylvania. Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, University of Illinois. Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political Science, City University Graduate School, New York. John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, University of Chicago. John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of California at Berkeley. Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles. Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. .......so the list goes on and on and on..... Now wait, there is more. Mark Alan Epstein, 'The Ottoman Jewish Communities and their Role in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries,' Klaus Schwarz Werlag, Freiburg (1980). page 19: <> page 21: <> (*) page 41: <<...the impression gained from the Hebrew sources is that the Jews were firmly aware of the community of interests which existed between them and the Ottomans, especially in comparison to relations with the Christians of Europe. Confirmation of the commonality of interests between Muslims and Jews is also indicated by the fact that European Christians perceived the Jews as allies of Islam and were well aware of Muslim-Jewish cooperation. Certainly the activity of important Jewish financiers and politicians representing the Ottoman government abroad did not pass unnoticed. European sources are the basis for much of our knowledge of their careers. In addition it appears that Christian pirates plundered ''Turks and Jews,'' their sworn enemies, and that Europeans considered the Jews to be agents who regularly reported to the Ottomans. There are well-known examples of overt Jewish support for the Ottomans in the struggle against European powers. The two best known instances of Jewish support for the campaigning Ottomans are the frequently cited instances of the Jewish contributions to the conquests of Buda, in the early sixteenth century, and of Rhodes. We also have reports of sympathy for the Ottomans during the siege of Chios. An unpublished Ottoman document shows dramatically the mutual interests which existed in some Greek towns...>> page 43: <> page 46: <<...it seems that the relations between Greeks and Jews were not particularly cordial. The two groups had little in common, few common interests, and perceived no common philosophical or religious tradition which could serve as the basis for cooperation, rather than enmity. If there was any identifiable bond of good will which existed between religious communities in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, it was that between Muslims and Jews, neither of whom had much in common with the Orthodox.>> page 46: <> page 151: <> page 161: <> (*) A version of Rabbi Sarfati's [Tzarfati] letter is given by Prof.Shaw: page 32: <>[13] [13] Israel Zinberg, A History Of Jewish Literature. vol.V. The Jewish Center of Culture in the Ottoman Empire (Hebrew Union College Press, Ktav Publishers, New York, 1974). Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7479,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr20.234427.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Okay here is what I have so far: Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon, set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does that mean no resupply or ?? Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. Contest open to different classes of participants. New Mexico State has semi-challenged University of Alaska (any branch) to put a team together and to do it.. Any other University/College/Institute of Higher Learning wish to make a counter challenge or challenge another school? Say it here. I like the idea of having atleast a russian team. Some prefer using new technology, others old or .. The basic idea of the New Moon Race is like the Solar Car Race acrossed Australia.. Atleast in that basic vein of endevour.. Any other suggestions? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 7480,6,"From: jyow@desire.wright.edu Subject: RADAR DETECTOR: Whistler: X,K,Ka Organization: Wright State University Lines: 7 Whistler Spectrum 2-SE. X, K, Ka. Pulse protection. Good condition. Purchased for $130, asking for $80. -- ************************************************************************ Jason Yow Human Factors Psychology Program Wright State University, Dayton, OH E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu ************************************************************************ " 7481,1,"From: clump@acaps.cs.mcgill.ca (Clark VERBRUGGE) Subject: Re: BGI Drivers for SVGA Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 Dominic Lai (cs_cylai@cs.ust.hk) wrote: : Simon Crowe (scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk) wrote: : 8~> I require BGI drivers for Super VGA Displays and Super XVGA Displays. Does : 8~> anyone know where I could obtain the relevant drivers ? (FTP sites ??) : I would like to know too! : Regards, : Dominic garbo.uwasa.fi (or one of its many mirrors) has a file called ""svgabg40"" in the programming subdirectory. These are svga bgi drivers for a variety of cards. [from the README]: ""Card types supported: (SuperVGA drivers) Ahead, ATI, Chips & Tech, Everex, Genoa, Paradise, Oak, Trident (both 8800 and 8900, 9000), Tseng (both 3000 and 4000 chipsets) and Video7. These drivers will also work on video cards with VESA capability. The tweaked drivers will work on any register-compatible VGA card."" enjoy, Clark Verbrugge clump@cs.mcgill.ca -- HONK HONK BLAT WAK WAK WAK WAK WAK UNGOW! " 7482,14,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Space Event near Los Angeles, CA X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 55 Apologies if this gets posted twice, but I don't think the first one made it. -------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a potential to power the globe. For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever increasing demand using proven, basic technology. OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the National Space Society, which is an international non-profit organization that promotes development of the space frontier. The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left " 7483,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Yankee fears. Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu I would e-mail this to you, but my mailserver doesn't recognize you or something. Anyway, the worst pitcher on the Yanks. If you mean currently on the team, then I have to go with Scott ""I'm a schizophrenic...No, I'm NOT!"" Kamienicki. Sure, occasionally the guy can pitch well for 5 or 6 innings, but then he starts to go insane. A sure sign that he's losing his stuff (and his mind) is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters and yell at himself. The worst all-time Yanks pitcher? Gotta go with Ed ""New York? I have to pitch in [gulp] New York?"" Whitson. 'Nuff said! --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall XVIII =========================================================================== | ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated."" | | -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | =========================================================================== " 7484,7,"From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com> jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: >> >>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >>will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I >>agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged >>do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying >>a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what? > > >A ""fuel injector cleaning"" at the dealer is probably little more than >them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, >and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the >cleaner yourself for $1.29. Personally, i wouldn't use the $1.29 product from KMart. I knew about this previously, but this past weekend on PBS's MotorWeek Pat Goss (their resident tech type) discussed these products, and recommends not using them (i.e, the non-isopropyl alcohlo based injector cleaners). Supposedly only the isopropyl based cleaners actually remove moisture from your fuel tank as they clean your injectors. And although the others (ethyl based) do clean injectors they also cause rubber components in the fuel system to deteriorate, and they don't mix well with water to help remove it from the fuel system. I use a product recommended by VW called 44K (by BG Products, Inc.). It cost more about $14.00, but it is supposed to do the job without the potential harmful side effects, and its results are supposed to last from 2k to 4k miles. I have also used Chevron's Techtrolene (sp?). I can't say that i have noticed any difference using either, since i only use these product as a preventative maintenance item. > >Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so. >Be suspicious. > >jim grey >jwg@acd4.acd.com . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 7485,16,"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Organization: . Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a >... You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to learn from your article? Treat people like dogs? I am not impressed by your attitude. " 7486,12,"From: bakerjp1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Baker John P. PDD x4895 ) Subject: How does ""Differential Mode"" GPS work??? Summary: Explaination of DGPS system Keywords: GPS, differential, navigation, radio Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory Lines: 46 >I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option >known as ""differential ready"". Apparently land-based >beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS >receiver (with differential option installed). >How does this system work? What frequency is used for >the land-based beacons? >Thanks in advance, >Charlie Thompson >. Here's a rough sketch of how the system works. A reference station with a very exactly known position computes the errors in the incoming GPS signals. These errors are due to several factors including atmospheric distortion, SA (Selective Availability) time dithering, etc. The reference unit contains complex computational equipment to ""back out"" the errors in its position (since it knows where it is already). It then transmits these corrections on a broadcast which is available to any number of relatively local receivers. If the receivers are nearby (<300km) and are using the same satellites as the reference unit, the errors should be very similar for the reference unit and the receiver unit. Thus, the receiver unit may apply the corrections calculated by the reference unit. The US Coast Guard is currently (as far as I know) installing a series of coastline transmitters for differential GPS. These stations will use existing radio towers. I believe the frequency is to be approximately 305 kHz. There are many other private corporations offering DGPS signals on different frequencies. For example, PinPoint ((310)-618-7076) offers correction signals and receiver units using an FM broadcast system which has stations all across the US. The correction codes are usually transmitted using the RTCM 104 format. Advertised accuracies espouse 1 to 5 meter errors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Baker | My opinions are my own. I don't know Johns Hopkins University | anyone else who wants them, anyway. Applied Physics Laboratory | Laurel, MD 20723 | bakerjp1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7487,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Remarks to Law Enforcement Leaders Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 227 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS The Rose Garden 2:52 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Ladies and gentlemen, two months ago I presented a comprehensive plan to reduce our national deficit and to increase our investment in the American people, their jobs and their economic future. The federal budget plan passed Congress in record time, and created a new sense of hope and opportunity in the country. Then, the short-term jobs plan I presented to Congress, which would create a half a million jobs in the next two years passed the House of Representatives two weeks ago. It now has the support of a majority of the United States Senate. All of these members of Congress know it's time to get the economy moving again, to get job growth going again, to get a fast start on the investments we need to build a lasting prosperity. Unfortunately, a minority of the members of the United States Senate have used gridlock tactics to prevent their colleagues from working the will of the majority on the jobs bill. When Congress returns, I ask every senator from every state and from both parties to remember what is at stake. The issue is not politics, it's people. Sixteen million of them are looking for full-time jobs and can't find them. These men and women don't care about who's up or down in Washington. They care about paying the rent and meeting the mortgage payment, about putting food on the table and buying shoes for their children, about regaining a sense of dignity that comes from doing a day's work and supporting their families and drawing a paycheck. They're asking those of us who have the privilege of serving to put aside politics and do something now to move our economy forward. I am prepared to do that. And I have been working with the Senate to come up with an adjusted package that meets some of the concerns of those who have been blocking action on the jobs plan. I'm willing to compromise, so long as we keep the focus on jobs, keep the focus on growth and keep the focus on meeting unmet national needs. Our opponents have been asking for a smaller package. Today I ask them to join me in determining exactly what kind and what size package Congress can approve that actually meets the needs of the American people. But even as we make those reductions and the package will be smaller, I believe we must address problems that are on the minds of millions of Americans, and one in particular, and that is the need to toughen law enforcement in our society to deal with the dramatic rise in violent crime. So I will ask, even in this reduced package, for an additional $200 million in federal funding to help local communities to rehire police officers who have been laid off because of the fiscal problems caused by the national recession. Together, with a matching effort by local governments, this could put as many as 10,000 police officers back on the job, and back on the beat in communities all across our nation. At a time when too many of our people live in fear of violent crime, when too many businesses have closed and too many people have lost their jobs because people are afraid to leave their homes, rehiring thousands of officers is one of the best investments America can make. And I ask both Houses of Congress to make that investment in our people's safety and in their piece of mind. I believe in the need for strong federal action to keep the economy going toward recovery and to create jobs. Make no mistake about it: I will fight for these priorities as hard as I ever have. I will never forget that the people sent me here to fight for their jobs, their future and for fundamental change. I want to thank the police officers who are here today and tell you that not a single one of them knew before they came here that I had determined to ask for more money in this jobs bill to rehire police officers. They came here because they believe in the summer jobs portion of the package. And I want them to be free to talk about that. They came here not out of any law enforcement concern other than the fact that they wanted the kids in this country to have a chance to have jobs this summer, to have safer streets and a brighter and more peaceful future. I say what I say today not just because it's good for law enforcement but because it's good for the people who live in these communities. I have always supported community policing not only because it helps to prevent crime and to lower the crime rate, but because it cements better relationships between people in law enforcement and the people that they're hired to protect. It reduces the chances of abusive action by police officers and increases the chances of harmony and safe streets at the same time. These are the kinds of things that we are trying to do. I promised in my campaign that I'd do everything I could to put another 100,000 police officers on the street over the next four years. This makes a good downpayment on that. This keeps in mind the core of the jobs package. And this will help us to move forward. So I ask the people in the Senate who have blocked the jobs bill, let's work together. I can accept a reduced package if you will increase your commitment to safe streets. I do not accept the fact that we should reduce our commitment to summer jobs or to building our infrastructure or to doing those other things that will create real and lasting prosperity for our people. I have done my part now to end the gridlock; I ask you to do yours. I want now to give the people who are here with me on the platform a chance to make some remarks and to be heard by the American people -- beginning with Janet Reno, the distinguished Attorney General. * * * * * * * * * * * * Q Mr. President, can you tell us -- do you think that the jobs package could be put in further jeopardy by controversy over the suggestion of a VAT tax at this point in the congressional dialogue? THE PRESIDENT: Not at all. I think it should have -- they wouldn't have any relationship one to the other. First of all, I made absolutely no decision on that. You should know that there's a lot of support in the business community and the labor community -- people have asked us to consider that because of the enormous burden of the present system on many of our major employers, particularly many of those that we depend upon to generate jobs and to carry the strength of this economy. But I have made absolutely no decision that would even approach that on that or any other kind of general tax. Q Do you personally believe that the American public is ready to pay for -- to have another tax to pay for health care? I mean, apart from what business and labor leaders have said -- THE PRESIDENT: I'm not going to speculate on that. I will say this: The real issue is how quickly we can recycle the benefits of all the savings to cover the cost. I mean, that is -- everyone knows that if you do what we're proposing to do, if you streamline the insurance system, if you fix the system so that there's no longer an enormous economic incentive to over-utilize or over-provide certain services, if you provide primary and preventive care in places where it isn't now, every single analysis shows absolutely massive savings to the health care system. The real question is whether you can transfer those savings to cover those who have no coverage now or those who have virtually no coverage so that you provide people the security. I have no idea. The polls say that, but I don't know. All I know is the polls that I see in the press that many of you have commissioned, they say overwhelmingly the American people want the security of an affordable health care system. But I don't think that has anything to do with this stimulus, and it certainly shouldn't have. People want a job first and foremost. They want that more than anything else. Q Now that you've announced your willingness to compromise on the stimulus package, can you tell us what parts of your package you consider vital and uncompromisable? I assume summer jobs is one. THE PRESIDENT: I want the summer jobs; I want the highway program and I want the police program. I still intend -- let me say this: I still intend to fully and aggressively push the crime bill, which did not pass the Congress last year. This is a supplement to that, not a substitute for it in any way. But I think we need to do that. I think we need the Ryan White funds because of the enormous health care burdens to the communities that are inordinately and disproportionately affected by the problems of caring for people with AIDS. And there are several other things that I think should be done. We have to do the Agriculture Department meat inspectors; the safety of the public depends on that. There are a number of other things that I don't -- I don't think any of it should be cut, but I have given Senator Mitchell and Senator Byrd -- I talked to them. And Senator Dole called me yesterday to discuss this, and I told him that I would call him back. I called him back last night in New Hampshire and we discussed this. And I basically asked them to talk today, and said that I would not make any statements about any specifics until at least they had a chance to talk to see whether or not they could reach some accord. So I don't want to be any more specific than I have been already, and let's see if they can talk it out. Q When you talked to Senator Dole and Senator Mitchell did you tell them about your -- increase also, that $200 million, that you want that as part of the package? THE PRESIDENT: I did -- I told Senator -- I left word for Senator Mitchell last night about it. When I talked to Senator Dole -- I don't remember for sure -- I do not believe I mentioned it. But I did tell him that I was prepared to reduce the package and I wanted to break the gridlock, and I told him that I was working on a reformulation of it so that -- in the hope that it would become even more focused on jobs and the kinds of issues that I thought the American people wanted us to address. And this is certainly consistent with that. Thank you. END3:12 P.M. EDT " 7488,11,"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: Tempest Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr22.105915.5584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) writes: >res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: >> Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent >> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? >We've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in >picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough >that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you >can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can >lock in on one and average the others out. > >The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts >of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also >highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to >another, > Hell, just set up a spark jammer, or some other _very_ electrically-noisy device. Or build an active Farrady cage around the room, with a ""noise"" signal piped into it. While these measures will not totally mask the emissions of your equipment, they will provide sufficient interference to make remote monitoring a chancy proposition, at best. There is, of course, the consideration that these measures may (and almost cretainly will) cause a certain amount of interference in your own systems. It's a matter of balancing security versus convenience. BTW, I'm an ex-Air Force Telecommunications Systems Control Supervisor and Telecommunications/Cryptographic Equipment Technician. -- REMEMBER WACO! Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you? [Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.] " 7489,8,"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: RGV and posing!! Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 13 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: >In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes: >>[Squid deleted] > 5. Helment laws vary from state to state. In my state (Louisiana) it is >the law. I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no >law. A helment will save your life. I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 7490,14,"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) Subject: Re: Clementine Science Team Selected Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa Lines: 32 nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: >In article stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) writes: > Remember the first government scientist in the British Empire was > the Astronomer Royal, who was paid [...] from the Department > of Ordinance Budget (i.e. the military). Flamsteed House (the original > RGO) was built out of Army Surplus Scrap ( A gate house at the Tower of > London ?), and paid for by the sale of time expired gunpowder [...] >At the time, astronomy was vital to the military, in that navigation >and cartography were of primary impoortance to the military, and good >cartography was impossible without good astronomy. >The relevance these daysis somewhat less obvious. >Nick It still applies, except the astronomy these days is Very Long Baseline Radio Astronomy coupled to GPS and Satellite Laser Ranging. The data from NASA's and the Naval Observatory's (among others) is a vital source of data for studies into crustal dynamics, Earth rotation, and purturbations. Every time there is a leap second added to the New Year, remember the military and science are still co-habiting nicely. The same VLBI was used to track Gallileo as it passed the Earth, and used so little fuel that it can afford to observe Ida. -- Dave Stephenson Geodetic Survey of Canada Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca " 7491,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: ACME Products Lines: 46 In article <1qksa4INNi7m@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: > demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: >> A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two >>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not >>from the fire. >> >> Thoughts? > > How can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than > unconscious? Their testimony would be a contradiction of the plaintiff's charge (and witness) that the occupant moved after the impact, indicating he was alive and trying to get out (and provoking all sorts of sympathetic 'gross, burned alive' reactions). >> It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start >>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led >>to the previous ruling appear. >> >> Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? >>Shouldn't that be up to a jury? > > What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at > the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics, > emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the > first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and > forgot to call all of your witnesses. They are two witnesses who didn't come forth until after the first trial. While it would be ""tough luck"" for GM if they new about these witnesses beforehand, IMO this constitutes ""new evidence"". > If we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new > interpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find > such witnesses. If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser > could *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser > becomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new > expert witnesses). No, I support rulings that deny new trials on those grounds. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 7492,7,"From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing) Subject: WHAT car is this!? Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 15 I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/ early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition, the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you have on this funky looking car, please e-mail. Thanks, - IL ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ---- " 7493,14,"From: kpa@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Karl Anderson) Subject: Re: A WRENCH in the works? Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: oslo.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 42 From another space forum > NOW WHERE DID I LEAVE THOSE PLIERS? When workers at the Kennedy Space Center disassembled the STS-56 solid rocket boosters they were surprised to find a pair of pliers lodged into the outside base of the right hand SRB. The tool survived the trip from the launch pad up to approximately a 250,000 foot altitude, then down to splashdown and towing back to KSC. NASA spokesperson Lisa Malone told the media, ""It's been a long time since something like this happened. We've lost washers and bolts (before) but never a tool like this."" The initial investigation into the incident has shown that a Thiokol Corp. technician noticed and reported his pliers as missing on April 2nd. Unfortunately, the worker's supervisor did not act on the report and Discovery was launched with its ""extra payload"". NASA officials were never told of the missing tool before the April 8th launch date. The free-flying pliers were supposed to be tethered to the SRB technician. When the tool was found in an aft section of the booster, its 18-inch long rope was still attached. The pliers were found in a part of the booster which is not easily visible from the launch pad. |(Ron's ed. note: naaahhh, just too easy) A spokesperson for the Lockheed Space Operations Company said that the Shuttle processor will take ""appropriate action"". Thiokol is a subcontractor to LSOC for work to prepare Shuttle hardware for launch. _________________________________________________________ Karl Anderson DEV/2000: Configuration Management/Version Control Dept 53K/006-2 Rochester, Minnesota 55901 253-8044 Tie 8-453-8044 INTERNET: karl@vnet.ibm.com PRODIGY: CMMG96A ""To seek, to strive, to find, and not to yield."" Alfred Lord Tennyson " 7494,2,"From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Organization: Datamark International Ltd. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr21.082152@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: >Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a >Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet >class error or something the like... How are you attempting to do that? Are you using the DIS_PKT9 program? This provides a packet driver on top of the NDIS driver. -- Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz Work: 64 4 233 8186 __o Technical Writer | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz Home: 64 4 499 3832 _-\<, Wellington, NZ | Hound for hire. Will work for dog biscuits. (_)/(_) " 7495,6,"From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: Pink Floyd 45 rpm singles for sale Keywords: Pink Floyd rpm singles Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 17 I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21 for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc. Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5 Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|$10 If you are interested, please contact: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu " 7496,2,"From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine Keywords: printer Lines: 25 In <~c$@byu.edu> ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >>The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I >>mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares. >> >>The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not >>had any problems with it. >I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago. I compared it to the >sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me. The >BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality. I can compare it >with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical ( >depending on the kind of paper). I don't have problems with the ink not >being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast. Probably within a second. Since >Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy. How much is the BJ going for? I got mine for $300 which was in the end the deciding factor for me. --Cindy -- Cindy Tittle Moore Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716 " 7497,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Migraines and scans Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 16 [reply to geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)] >>If you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with >>an obviously benign headache syndrome, I'd like to hear what your magic >>is. >I certainly can't always avoid it (unless I want to be rude, I suppose). I made a decision a while back that I will not be bullied into getting studies like a CT or MRI when I don't think they are indicated. If the patient won't accept my explanation of why I think the study would be a waste of time and money, I suggest a second opinion. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 7498,7,"From: mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) Subject: MGBs and the real world Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 14 My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced (1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the market? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Brookbank, |MKS| 35 King St. North mike@mks.com Director, InterOpen Sales, |MKT| Waterloo, Ontario (519)884-2251 Mortice Kern Systems Inc. |MKS| Canada, N2J 2W9 fax (519)884-8861 " 7499,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: SOURCE to Mactinosh PGP 2.2 in C available Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 84 *** SOURCE code to Macintosh PGP 2.2 now available via anonymous FTP *** FTP netcom.com CD pub/grady MGET MacPGP2.2src.sea.hqx MGET MacPGP2.2srcSIGNATURE Convert to a Compact Pro self-extracting archive with BinHex 4.0. If appropriate, check the digital signature of the .hqx file with your copy of PGP. (Non-Macintosh users wishing to check the digital signature please note that 'CR' denotes the end-of-line on a Macintosh, not 'LF' or 'CRLF'.) For the purposes of the ITAR act, this 'unclassified technical documentation' is hereby released into the public domain. (However no representation is made as to copyright or other commercial rights that may exist in this package.) Full source code, Symantec THINK C 5.0.4 projects and full user documentation is included for both 68020 and 68000 versions of Pretty Good Privacy, a strong public key encryption and digital signature application using the RSA algorithm patented in the United States and the IDEA cipher patented in Switzerland. No executables are included. Executables are available via anonymous FTP from: leif.thep.lu.se (Sweden) night.nig.ac.jp (Japan) van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (Canada) soda.berkeley.edu (P.R. of Berkeley) src.doc.ic.ac.uk (United Kingdom) ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Italy) plaza.aarnet.edu.au (Australia) nic.funet.fi (Finland) Other's public keys are available from anonymous server sites: (Send message subject ""help"" for more information.) Internet sites: pgp-public-keys@junkbox.cc.iastate.edu Michael Graff explorer@iastate.edu FTP: tbird.cc.iastate.edu:/usr/explorer/public-keys.pgp pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu Derek Atkins warlord@MIT.EDU FTP: toxicwaste.mit.edu:/pub/keys/public-keys.pgp pgp-public-keys@phil.utmb.edu John Perry perry@phil.utmb.edu FTP: phil.utmb.edu:/pub/pgp/public-keys.pgp pgp-public-keys@demon.co.uk Mark Turner mark@demon.co.uk FTP: ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/pgp/pubring.pgp UUCP site: pgp-public-keys@jpunix.com John Perry perry@jpunix.com The executable application built from these sources has NOT been licensed by RSA Data Security, Inc. nor has the RSA public key algorithm or the IDEA block cipher algorithm been approved by the National Security Agency. This unclassified technical documentation is made available for EDUCATIONAL USE ONLY; possession, distribution, or use of an executable binary built from this source may be a civil or criminal offense. Suggested improvements, bugs, or comments should be directly posted to alt.security.pgp or to the principal developers listed among the source documents. General questions and comments about public key cryptography or the IDEA cipher may be posted to alt.security.pgp or to the sci.crypt Usenet groups. -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 7500,19,"From: peavler@fingal.plk.af.mil (Ninja Gourmet) Subject: Scarlet Horse of Babylon (was Daemons) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fingal.plk.af.mil Keywords: dead horse, Horse of Babylon In article <1qilgnINNrko@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.) writes: |> Its easy... |> 667 >is< the neighbor of the beast (at 666)- |> the beast lives at the end of a cul-de-sac. |> r. I noticed this dead horse in your Keywords line. Is this the famous scarlet horse of Babylon that the Beast (that's 666 for you illuminatti) rides on in those wonderful mediaeval manuscripts. If so, I fear your announcement that the old girl is dead may be premature. I bet $20 on her to place in the 6th race at The Downs last Sunday, and she slid in a bad fifth. So she is not dead. She is just comatose. (like god that way, I suppose). Ninja Gourmet Will fight for food. -- Jim Peavler My opinions do not exist. peavler@plk.af.mil That is why they are called Albuquerque, NM MY opinions. " 7501,16,"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> Followups-to: talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE Distribution: usa <1993Apr19.202756.6889@msuvx2.memst.edu> Lines: 11 Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves while watching the TV coverage. Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well. Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute. " 7502,1,"From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 In <1r0ms5$k65@ratatosk.uninett.no> joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) writes: >> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? >I don't know where Douglas Adams took it from, but I'm pretty sure he's >the one who launched it (in the Guide). Since then it's been showing up >all over the place. Douglas Adams once said (paraphrased from memory): ""I just picked it. It seemed like the sort of number you wouldn't be afraid to take home to meet your parents. Nice and even, perfectly normal."" -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" " 7503,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.221049.14347@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: >>In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >>>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >>>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >>>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >>>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >>>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >>>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >>>humor us. Thanks for your help. >>Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish >>faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world >>series games because of Yom Kippur) >The other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted). Did he ever really convert? He married a Jewish woman, but I've never heard him say he converted. Elliot Maddox, on the other hand... >Lowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the >major leagues. >Undeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish. Between Stone, >Koufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the >one who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach, >that's quite a starting rotation. Moe Berg can catch. Harry Steinfeldt, >the 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield. Yep, Holtzman. Saul Rogovin won an ERA title in 1949 or so before blowing out the arm. >Is Stanky Jewish? Or is that just a ""Dave Cohen"" kinda misinterpretation? >Whatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long. I'd be surprised. btw, they may just be shopping Gallego around to make room for AS. Roger " 7504,14,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes... >Writer Kathy Sawyer reported in today's Washington Post that Joseph Shea, the >head of the space station redesign has resigned for health reasons. > >Shea was hospitalized shortly after his selection in February. He returned >yesterday to lead the formal presentation to the independent White House panel. >Shea's presentation was rambling and almost inaudible. I missed the presentations given in the morning session (when Shea gave his ""rambling and almost inaudible"" presentation), but I did attend the afternoon session. The meeting was in a small conference room. The speaker was wired with a mike, and there were microphones on the table for the panel members to use. Peons (like me) sat in a foyer outside the conference room, and watched the presentations on closed circuit TV. In general, the sound system was fair to poor, and some of the other speakers (like the committee member from the Italian Space Agency) also were ""almost inaudible."" Shea didn't ""lead the formal presentation,"" in the sense of running or guiding the presentation. He didn't even attend the afternoon session. Vest ran the show (President of MIT, the chair of the advisory panel). > >Shea's deputy, former astronaut Bryan O'Connor, will take over the effort. Note that O'Connor has been running the day-to-day operations of the of the redesign team since Shea got sick (which was immediately after the panel was formed). " 7505,11,"From: finchm@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Michael >Finchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchm< Finch) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: > >The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid > >reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there > It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were > published, one could then build physically identical clone versions I recall seeing a post some time ago saying that if the details of an encryption scheme couldn't be revealed, then the encryption scheme is worthless. I believe the statement was in response to somebody saying that they had some new snazzy scheme, but the algorithm was a secret. Does this algorithm depend on the fact that the scheme is secret or is it for the stated reasons above? -Mike " 7506,4,"Distribution: world From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Lines: 11 The real question here in my opinion is what Motorola processors running system 7 on a MAC are comparable to what Intel processors running Windows on a PC? I recall there being a conversation here that a 486/25 running Windows benchmarks at about the same speed as 25Mhz 030 in system 7. I don't know if that is true, but I would love to hear if anyone has any technical data on this. -David **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 7507,15,"From: christian@geneva.rutgers.edu Subject: end of discussion: Easter Lines: 2 I just about closed this once before. I'm now doing so for real, after tonight's posting. " 7508,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Keywords: point, polygon In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk>, scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: |> I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a |> polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing |> information on the subject ? |> |> Regards |> |> Simon Basically, there are two algorithms determining whether a point is inside, outside or on the polygon. The first one is Ray (or half line) method. In this method, you can draw any ray, if the number of the intersection point of the ray and the polygon is even, then it is outside. If the number is odd, then it is inside. Of cause, you have to deal with the special cases which may make you headache. The second method is PI algorithm. Draw the lines between the point and all the vertices on the polygon. Calculate and sum the angles of the successive lines. If the result is 2*PI, then it is inside. If PI, then it is on the polygon. Otherwise it is outside. My experience tells the second method is relible. Hope this helps. Yeh USC " 7509,1,"From: ib@ivan.asd.sgi.com (Ivan Bach) Subject: Re: Adobe Photo Shop type software for Unix/X/Motif platforms? Nntp-Posting-Host: ivan.asd.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 9 We have been shipping for over one year the Adobe Display PostScript (DPS) on Silicon Graphics workstations, file servers, and supercomputers. The Adobe Illustrator 3.5 for Silicon Graphics machines was released last February. Adobe and SGI announced last October that Photoshop will be available on SGI systems in 1993. Initial release will support 24-bit color graphics. Ivan Bach, ib@sgi.com Disclaimer: I do not speak for my employer. " 7510,10,"From: rbeskost@adam.East.Sun.COM (Richard Beskosty - Sun BOS Systems Product Assurance) Subject: Re: Goalie mask poll Reply-To: rbeskost@adam.East.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: adam.east.sun.com In article 93158@hydra.gatech.EDU, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: > > Here is an update on the Goalie mask poll... > First, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to > give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed > a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me > your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before. > Also, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I > have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team > they play for, though. > So here are the up-to-date results so far: > > My vote goes to Andy Moog 1st, Belfour 2nd, Vanbiesbrouck 3rd The Bruin's are hot at just the right time !!!!! rich beskosty rbeskost@east.sun.com " 7511,14,"From: agae@palm.lle.rochester.edu (Andres C. Gaeris) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Reply-To: agae@palm.lle.rochester.edu (Andres C. Gaeris) Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm.lle.rochester.edu In article <1993Apr20.164655.11048@head-cfa.harvard.edu>, willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) writes: > > The NASM photo archives are open to the public. All (or almost all) > still pictures in the collection are available for viewing, but I > don't know about films. At least it might be worth a try. I'm not > sure if appointments are necessary, but I think not. > Is posible to make copies of these photographs (or any other aerospace photographs at NASM) if you pay a copyright fee? =============================================================================== Andres C. Gaeris || ""Living example of the application of Newton's Junior laser fusioneer || Zeroth Law: agae@lle.rochester.edu || `Every body in rest wants to remain in bed'"" =============================================================================== " 7512,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.140541.28465@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes: > > Actually, Swedish coach Curt Lundmark is thinking about leaving two > spots open for additions from eliminated NHLers. It is Mats Sundin and > Calle Johansson that Curt hopes can join the team, although in a late > stage of the tournament. Technically, I seem to recall that you can leave > spots open until 24 hrs before the WC final. > Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :) Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 7513,15,"From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 20 In article danc@procom.com (Daniel Cossack) writes: >JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: >>The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob >>rather than Esau... If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous >>lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of ""karma"") > >And following Romans to 9:13, ""As it is written, Jacob have I loved, >but Esau have I hated."" How could God have loved and hated (in the >past tense) those that are not yet born, neither having done good >or evil? Woah...The context is about God's calling out a special people (the Jews) to carry the ""promise."" To read the meaning as literal people is to miss Paul's entire point. I'd be glad to send anyone more detailed explanations of this passage if interested. ==================================== Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu) University of Georgia, Athens Institute of Higher Ed. " 7514,6,"From: yoshi@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Digital Exodus 1993) Subject: Reciever/CD Player/Keyboards for sale. Article-I.D.: leela.1pqneqINN9h3 Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu The following items are for sale: 1) ONKYO TX-901/910 reciever/amplifier. Only 2 months old. >PERFECT< condition. 45wpc (stereo), 4 speaker ability, 40 channel memory, has digital and direct tuning also. Plus, it also have an earphone jack... Bought for $350 new. Asking for no less than $250; best offer gets it (obviously). ...PRICE DROPPED TO $230... - No offers so far; what's the deal? No recievers needed? :( 2) Two ZEOS IBM-External keyboards. Under a month old, bought for $90 each new; selling for $35 a piece, or $65 for both. I pay shipping. (SNES has been sold, and the CD player still hasn't been sold; if you offer $170 or more, I will instantly send it to you...) (ask for stats. on the CD player) Yoshi. yoshi@atlantis.cs.orst.edu " 7515,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: O.T.O clarification Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 14 Sorry, the San Jose based Rosicrucian order is called A.M.O.R.C, I don't remember for the time being what the A.M. stand for but O.R.C is Ordo Rosae Crucis, in other words latin for Order of the Rose Cross. Sigh, seems l'm loosing more and more of my long term memory. Otherwise their headquarters in San Jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore, if any of you are interested in such books. And my son loves to run around in their Egyptian museum. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 7516,11,"From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) Subject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4) Nntp-Posting-Host: wardibm2.med.yale.edu Organization: Yale U. - Genetics Lines: 30 In article , bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote: > > ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes: > > > : Coca-Cola has always understood it. > > > Coca-cola is made under licence in dozens of countries around the > > world. You're crazy if you think PepsiCo doesn't know the recipe. > > In all those countries Coca-cola is distributed in a form of > concentrate what the local producers simply mix with water and other > simple ingredients. The trick is to know what is in the concentrate... > I don't know if this is still true, but at one time Coca-Cola took elaborate measures to keep the formula secret. For instance, several plants in different cities each made one of six partial concentrates, which were then shipped back-and forth and remixed in a complicated scheme so that no single plant made the whole formula. By now, I would guess that PepsiCo's chemists would have reverse-engineered it; can't be all that exotic. Actually I prefer Pepsi anyhow; in about 3 minutes I'm gonna put money into a Pepsi vending machine... Matt Healy ""I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab net pretends to work"" matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu " 7517,4,"From: glenn@network.ucsd.edu (Glenn Sueyoshi) Subject: LaserWriter Pro 600 memory upgrade (4-->8) Summary: Apple Dealers provide free upgrade Keywords: Apple printer, memory upgrade Article-I.D.: network.1ps4a8$oi3 Distribution: world Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: network.ucsd.edu I've got the official word on the LaserWriter Pro 600 memory upgrade. I just got off of the phone with the quite friendly Donna Rossi at Apple Customer Assistance. She tells me that those who purchased the LaserWriter Pro 600 in a 4 megabyte (300dpi, no greyscale) configuration should contact their original dealers who are supposed provide the 4-meg memory upgrade. For those who don't know, the extra 4-meg will allow printing at 600dpi or greyscale (at 300dpi). If the dealers have questions, they should be directed to their hardware support numbers and/or Apple Customer Assistance 1-800-776-2333, 408-996-1010 (corporate number). Regards, Glenn P.S. - personally, I'm annoyed at our school bookstore. They really have an obligation to provide this information to all of the customers who purchased the 600 in the original configuration (they have the records...that's why they ask for things like a phone number). When I get my upgrade completed, I'm going to write Apple and complain. " 7518,12,"From: gmc@cthulhu.semi.harris.com Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Nntp-Posting-Host: cthulhu.mlb.semi.harris.com Organization: Analog Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca> moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: >Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: > >: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the >: original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. > >Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC! > >: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company >: and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by >: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets >: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. > >Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man >named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation >of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. > >: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, >: thus our use of the Ohms... > >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. > >: >: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... >Well you got one thing right! >: Actually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being silly. However, ""decibel"" is in fact 1/10th of a bel. He is right on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not. Strictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels, and a decibel is 1/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel, hence bel=log(P2/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2/P1). The bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are all named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine way to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field. Hertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers, but had been left out in having a term or unit named after him until recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.) All the other units were defined many decades earlier. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7519,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > > It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to > everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but > not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just > Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would > hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel > any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his > disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything, > I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and > so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even > before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love > for us. Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the children who died today at the Davidian complex. Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering organized religion. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 7520,16,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 24 As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > would have to be local. There are not all that many people > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. You don't know much about modern automatic weapons, do you? Just about ANYBODY with basic manufacturing skill can turn out HIGH QUALITY submachineguns. A couple of high school shop teachers were recently arrested for building submachineguns in the school shop. I suggest that you go to the library and find a copy of ""Smallarms of the World"". Your entire premise is based on non-factual assumptions. -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva " 7521,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes: >HELP!!! >my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. >We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one. >My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small. >I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think). >Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range. > Thanx The Olds Supreme Convertible got high marks in C/D's recent test, if you can get by the stupid body moldings and stuff. The Saab 900 ragtop may be out of your range, but its a good choice. Is there a new F-car convertible? The Nissan 240SX convertible is a nice car also... Those immediately come to mind... -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 7522,1,"From: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com (Robert Synoski) Subject: 24 bit Graphics cards Nntp-Posting-Host: parsec Reply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo Florida Lines: 10 I am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least 1024x786x24 resolution. I know Matrox has one, but it is very expensive. All the other cards I know of, that support that resoultion, are striaght ISA. Also are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits? thanks " 7523,4,"From: T. Kephart Subject: Re: LCIII problems (sideways HD's) Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:14:26 GMT In article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: > Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a > vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position, it can > not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical position. > I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from now, but > why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem, please > mail me at:===> sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu <===. > Sunny, I asked this question a while ago while contemplating placing my 650 on it's side. I received a response from someone at Seagate (Sorry I trashed the message) stating that most newer drives (Seagates at the least) can very well compensate for gravity. This means that a horizontally formatted drive can be later placed vertically with no data integrity problems. The only way that newer drives cannot work is if you have varying forces (shaking, bouncing, etc) so don't place the drive on it's side on a rocking chair :). What constitutes a 'newer' drive I don't know, try calling your drive manufacturer. I have a Quantum LP240S internal, and since I got it a month ago, I am guessing it's 'newer'. -t " 7524,18,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: The DEFAMATION LEAGUE Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 235 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com The following was posted and no doubt retyped by Yigal Ahrens and considering the importance of the issue and the almost total blackout except in California, I am reposting to other appropriates groups. From LA Times, Friday, April 9, 1993. P. A1. EVIDENCE OF ADL SPY OPERATION SEIZED BY POLICE By Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer SAN FRANCISCO -- Police on Thursday served search warrants on the Anti-Defamation League here and in Los Angeles, seizing evidence of a nationwide intelligence network accused of keeping files on more than 950 political groups, newspapers and labor unions and as many as 12,000 people. Describing the spy operation in great detail, San Francisco authorities simultaneously released voluminous documents telling how operatives of the Anti-Defamation League searched through trash and infiltrated organizations to gather intelligence on Arab-American, right-wing and what they called ""pinko"" organizations. Representatives of the Anti-Defamation League, a well-known organization in the U.S. Jewish community dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism, declined detailed comment Thursday but denied breaking any laws. Police allege that the organization maintains undercover operatives to gather political intelligence in at least seven cities, including Los Angeles and San Francisco. Groups that were the focus of the spy operation span the political spectrum, including such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, the White Aryan Resistance, Operation Rescue, Greenpeace, the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, the United Farm Workers and the Jewish Defense League. Also on the list were Mills College, the board of directors of San Francisco public television station KQED and the San Francisco Bay Guardian newspaper. People who were subjects of the spy operation included former Republican Rep. Pete McCloskey, jailed political extremist Lyndon H. LaRouche and Los Angeles Times foreign correspondent Scott Kraft, who is based in South Africa. Authorities said much of the material collected by the groups was confidential information obtained illegally from law enforcement agencies. They also alleged that data on some individuals and organizations was sold separately to the South African government. In addition to allegations of obtaining confidential information from police, the Anti-Defamation League could face a total of 48 felony counts for not properly reporting the employment of its chief West Coast spy, Roy Bullock, according to the affidavit filed to justify the search warrant. The Anti-Defamation League disguised payments to Bullock for more than 25 years by funneling $550 a week to Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman, who then paid Bullock, according to the documents released in San Francisco. Hochman, a former president of the Jewish Federation Council of Greater Los Angeles and one of the state's leading tax attorneys, will be out of the city until late next week and could not be reached for comment, his office said. Until 1990, Hochman, a former U.S. prosecutor, also was a member of a panel appointed by then-Sen. Pete Wilson to secretly make initial recommendations on new federal judges in California. Hochman is a former regional president of the Anti-Defamation League. The league, which initially cooperated with police, has denied repeatedly that its intelligence-gathering operation broke any laws. League officials will not confirm or deny whether Bullock was an employee and have said they simply traded information with police departments about people who might be involved in hate crimes. But in an affidavit filed to obtain warrants for Thursday's searches, San Francisco police alleged that ""ADL employees were apparently less than truthful"" in providing information during an earlier search conducted without a warrant. David Lehrer, executive director of the Los Angeles ADL office, said the organization has not violated the law. ""There is nothing nefarious about how we operate or what we have done,"" he said. ""Our record speaks for itself."" The police affidavit contends that Lehrer had sole control of a secret fund used to pay for ""fact-finding operations."" Lehrer, according to the documents, signed checks from the account under the name L. Patterson. An ADL official said the account was used to pay for subscriptions to a wide variety of extremist publications that might balk at sending them directly to the Anti-Defamation League. Bullock, 58, who has been collecting intelligence for the ADL for nearly 40 years, defended his efforts during a lengthy interview with San Francisco police. He said that he gathered names from many sources and entered them into his computer under headings such as ""Skins"" and ""Pinkos,"" but that did not necessarily mean that they were under surveillance. ""I might never see or call up on 99% of them again,"" Bullock said. ""And it doesn't mean anything that they're in the files. It's not a threat to anyone's civil rights that a name appears in my files under, say, 'Pinko.'"" In recent years, Bullock worked closely with San Francisco Police Officer Tom Gerard, who fled to the Phillippines last fall after he was questioned by the FBI in the case. A former CIA employee, Gerard supplied Bullock with criminal records and Department of Motor Vehicles information such as home addresses, vehicle registration, physical characteristics and drivers license photographs. Using files gathered for the Anti-Defamation League, Gerard and Bullock also provided information to the South African government, receiving $16,000 over four years, the documents show. The file on Times staff writer Kraft, which was apparently sold to the South African government, provides some insight into the hit-and-miss nature of the spy operation. The file notes that Kraft's articles ""appear frequently in The Times and are well researched and written,"" but little else about the file is accurate. The brief entry confuses The Times' Kraft with another Scott Kraft and provides the South African government with the wrong Kraft's physical description, photograph and other personal information. Nevertheless, the documents provide illuminating details of how Bullock for decades infiltrated all manner of organizations, from skinheads to left-wing radicals, searching regularly through the trash of target groups. Using Anti-Defamation League funds, he also ran his own paid informants under code names such as ""Scott"" and ""Scumbag."" He worked closely with police officers up and down the coast, exchanged information with the FBI and worked with federal agencies, including the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. It was Bullock's work as a paid informant for the FBI -- while spying on behalf of the Anti-Defamation League and the South African government -- that proved his undoing. The FBI learned that he was an agent of a foreign government and began investigating, leading to the probe of the Anti-Defamation League's intelligence network. The Anti-Defamation League employed undercover operatives to gather information in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Washington, Chicago, St. Louis and Atlanta, according to the affidavit and investigators. Joining San Francisco police in searching league offices and a Los Angeles bank were investigators from the office of San Francisco Dist. Atty. Arlo Smith and the state Franchise Tax Board. The Los Angeles Police Department, which earlier refused to cooperate with the investigation, was informed of the searches in Los Angeles but not invited to participate. Investigators suspect that some confidential information in the Anti-Defamation League files may have come from Los Angeles police officers. From Los Angeles Times, Saturday, April 10, 1993. P. A23. ADL VOWS TO COOPERATE WITH SPY INVESTIGATION By Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer. SAN FRANCISCO -- The Anti-Defamation League defended its record as a civil rights group Friday and said it will cooperate with authorities who are investigating whether the organization collected confidential police information on citizens and groups. But San Francisco Dist. Atty. Arlo Smith said that Anti-Defamation League employees involved in intelligence gathering could face many felony counts of receiving confidential files, eavesdropping, tax violations and conspiracy. Police have accused the Anti-Defamation League of not being truthful about its spying operations, which collected information on more than 12,000 individuals and 950 political groups across the political spectrum. Hundreds of pages of documents released by prosecutors Thursday show that the ADL maintained a nationwide intelligence network and kept files on political figures. Even so, Smith suggested that if the Anti-Defamation League shut down its spy operation, prosecutors would take that into account when deciding what charges to file. In a statement released in Washington, National Director Abraham H. Foxman described the ADL as ""a Jewish defense agency which has fought to protect all minorities from bigotry and discrimination for 80 years."" Foxman said the organization is regarded as a credible source on extremist groups and has a tradition of routinely providing information to police, journalists, academics, government officials and the public. It has never been the policy of the ADL to obtain information illegally, he said. ""Like other journalists, in order to protect the confidentiality and physical safety of its sources, ADL will not comment on the nature or identity of any source of information,"" Foxman said. The Anti-Defamation League refused to acknowledge that one of its longtime employees, Roy Bullock, was anything more than ""a private individual who is alleged to be an ADL 'informant.'"" Among the documents released by prosecutors were detailed statements showing how the ADL funneled weekly payments to Bullock through Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman. ""Roy would penetrate organizations and needed this arrangement to be distanced from ADL,"" Hochman told a San Francisco police investigator. Hochman could not be reached Friday at his home or office for comment. Despite the Anti-Defamation League's assertion that it will cooperate with authorities, San Francisco police said the group did not turn over all pertinent documents during a voluntary search of the group's offices in Los Angeles and San Francisco last fall. A second round of searches Thursday, this time with search warrants, produced a vast quantity of records, primarily dealing with financial transactions, Smith said. Further searches may be necessary and it will be at least a month before any charges are filed, he said. ""The investigation, of course, will go wherever the facts lead us,"" the district attorney said. -- Yigal Arens USC/ISI TV made me do it! arens@isi.edu js " 7525,13,"From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:12:06 GMT In article <1993Apr18.175802.28548@clpd.kodak.com> Rich Young, young@serum.kodak.com writes: Stuff deleted > ... have to > consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a > time."" I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic. Don Mackie - his opinion " 7526,18,"From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: So Why Does Clayton Cramer Fixate on Molesting Children Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 32 In article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: >From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) >- >-2. The homosexuals have gotten a law passed in California that >-makes it illegal to discriminate against a person in employment >-based on their sexual orientation -- and not defined sexual >-orientation. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. >- > GOT HIM! Cramer is now claiming that pedophilia is a sexual orientation rather than a chronicly homosexual condition. This changes the whole argument in as much that is pedophilia is a sexual orientation all of its own peds cannot be called homosexual. Peds are peds who may have a preference as to the sex of the child they molest (though most do not have a preference) but that is a subset of their basic ped nature. Cramer has as much as admitted that peds and gay men are different orientations. All we need now is to get him to admit that the apparent similarities he keeps on about are just optical illusions. xavier -- * Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** * Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ****** * World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email *************************** * Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons " 7527,5,"From: rbw@jet.uk (Dr Richard B Wilkinson) Subject: XBell Organization: Joint European Torus Lines: 8 I have a program produces a continuous tone by calling XBell repeatedly at an interval equal to the duration of the bell. If it is run more than once on a display, the tones are buffered in the X server and the tone contunues after all occurrences of the program have exited. Is there a convenient way of preventing this, e.g., by emptying the X server bell buffer when each program exits? - Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not be construed as an official comment from the JET project. " 7528,10,"From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: More TV Info Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 36 United States Coverage: Sunday April 18 N.J./N.Y.I. at Pittsburgh - 1:00 EDT to Eastern Time Zone ABC - Gary Thorne and Bill Clement St. Louis at Chicago - 12:00 CDT and 11:00 MDT - to Central/Mountain Zones ABC - Mike Emerick and Jim Schoenfeld Los Angeles at Calgary - 12:00 PDT and 11:00 ADT - to Pacific/Alaskan Zones ABC - Al Michaels and John Davidson Tuesday, April 20 N.J./N.Y.I. at Pittsburgh - 7:30 EDT Nationwide ESPN - Gary Thorne and Bill Clement Thursday, April 22 and Saturday April 24 To Be Announced - 7:30 EDT Nationwide ESPN - To Be Announced Canadian Coverage: Sunday, April 18 Buffalo at Boston - 7:30 EDT Nationwide TSN - ??? Tuesday, April 20 N.J.D./N.Y. at Pittsburgh - 7:30 EDT Nationwide TSN - ??? Wednesday, April 21 St. Louis at Chicago - 8:30 EDT Nationwide TSN - ??? " 7529,11,"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 25 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: >PROCUREMENT AND USE OF ENCRYPTION DEVICES [ ... ] >The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to >the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct >lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure >law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General >shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture >Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. Talk about adding insult to injury ... I, for one, believe that the use of civil forfeiture should be abolished by a decent administration, not continued. Instead, it looks like that ill-gotten gain will be used to help pay for wiretap equipment. -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 " 7530,17,From: bill_paxton@fourd.com Subject: Ajerk Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You a good case for rights to abortion. ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** 7531,7,"From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Organization: Amoco Distribution: usa Lines: 53 hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good , >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. >> !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!! >> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets >> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a >> >position to cash in my chips, too. >> > H.H. Mayo >> >> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: >> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!! Just what the world needs, >> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop. hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, >I suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the >bargain. If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death >due to less that wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!! Well, I never wrote that I would act as you described. I stated that I would not block a would-be passer. I would not block a would-be passer ""for their own good"" or for any reason other than I was prevented from doing so due to the traffic circumstance. I fail to see how deterring a passer under these circumstance would IN ANY WAY decrease YOUR chances of being involved in an accident, fatal or otherwise. In fact, I could imagine how blocking a would-be passer would actually INCREASE your chances of being ""offed"" or involved in an accident, especially if this ""passer"" is riding your bumper. Intentionally blocking a person riding your bumper is certainly NOT a ""wise driving practice"", it only causes the jam to become more congested. I don't mess with trucks and I actually watch the road ahead AND the road behind! If I perceive that I am rapidly closing on a ""pack"" of vehicles, I try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you decribe. Usually either traffic is just building and I have to deal with this fact of life, or I wait to a slow passer to complete their pass and make way for the pack to clear. If someone decides then to pull up on my bumper, I signal my intention to move to the right, and do so at the first opportunity (& hope they will open the jam). I feel this is not only courteous driving, but ALOT safer than the actions you advocate!!! There are actually many courteous drivers on the road who do not intentionally impede others. If someone in front of me seems to be oblivious to the fact that they are blocking traffic I use my blinker or flash my lights, or, if all else fails, will briefly speed up /slow down so they MIGHT get the message that I am a faster vehicle trying to pass. I feel it is never safe to ride anyone's bumper. IF someone is intentionally blocking traffic, because they feel that it is civil duty or philosophic duty or for some unfathomable reason, I feel they deserve, at the very least, derision. (Sorry this is soooooooo long.) " 7532,1,"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 19 Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of : doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading : this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 : different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts : a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum : for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? : Just curious. : Daemon What he said... -- TMC (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) " 7533,6,"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: Word processing utilities for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 60 These word processing utilities all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * GRAMMATIK 5 FOR WINDOWS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45. * GRAMMATIK 5 FOR DOS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45. * CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR WINDOWS 2.0, top-notch grammar checker, from WordStar, list $119, sale $45. * CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR DOS 4.0, top-notch grammar checker, from WordStar, list $99, sale $40. * CORRECT WRITING 1.0 FOR WINDOWS, online writing manual from WordStar with tips about correct use of punctuation, capitalization, compound words, numerals, bibliographies, footnotes, and more, list $59, sale $25. * RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, unlike spell checkers provides online definitions when you're not sure of a word's meaning, also has larger thesaurus than most word processors for finding just the right word, list $119, sale $55. * RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS FOR DOS 1.2, same functionality as Windows version, list $119, sale $55. * WORD FINDER PLUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, huge online thesaurus with more than one million synonyms, list $59, sale $25. * RANDOM HOUSE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR DOS 1.02, online encyclopedia that you can use without needing a CD-ROM drive, easier to use and less expensive than a book-based encyclopedia, takes 5.5 MB of hard disk space, list $119, sale $55. * HEADLINER 1.5, DOS-based database of great advertising and other headlines, proverbs, idioms, song titles, movie titles, and so on, great for advertising copywriters, newspaper editors, and, others trying to come up with catchy phrases, list $195, sale $90. * WRITER'S TOOLKIT FOR WINDOWS 2.0, amazing collection of seven different word processing utilities in one package, includes encyclopedia, great quotations, dictionary of abbreviations, dictionary with definitions, thesaurus, usage guide, and grammar checker, list $129, sale $65. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us " 7534,10,"From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 18 jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes: > In article <1993Apr4.051942.27095@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs. > > > >And after the Leafs make cream cheese of the Philadelphia side tomorrow > >night the Leafs will be without equal. > > Then again, maybe not. To put it mildly. As I watched the Flyers demolish Toronto last night, 4-0, I realized that no matter how good the Leafs' #1 line may be, they'll need one or two more decent lines to go far in the playoffs. And, of course, a healthy Felix Potvin. ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Thomas A. Darling \\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043 darling@cellar.org \\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\ FactHQ ""Truth Thru Technology"" v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v " 7535,10,"From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: Does the FAQ crash YOUR newsreader? Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 9 The r.s.h FAQ sheet never fails to crash my newsreader. The only way I can avoid crashing (and restarting the machine) is to look at the headers and avoid reading the FAQ. Does anyone else have problems reading the FAQ? Tim Irvin ****************************************************************************** The season is near a merciful end... " 7536,0,"Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) From: SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET) Distribution: world Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com's message of 16 Apr 93 16:37:29 MSTLines: 34 Lines: 34 jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: > ( in <1993Apr16.163729.867@batman.bmd.trw.com> ) ( responding to Dave ""First With Official A.A Nickname"" Fuller ) [ ... ] > The death penalty IS a deterrent, Dave. The person executed will never > commit a crime again. Guaranteed. [ ... ] That means that it is an effective anti-recidivism measure. It does not say that it deters an individual from committing a capital crime in the first place. The true question is whether the threat of death is likely to actually stop one from murdering. (Or commiting treason -- are there any other capital crimes anywhere in the USA?) That is, if there were no death penalty, would its introduction deter a would-be criminal from committing her/his crime? I doubt it. This is only the first step. Even if it were a strong deterrent (short of being a complete deterrent) I would reject it. For what about the case of the innocent executed? And even if we could eliminate this possibility, I would reject the death penalty as immoral. This makes me something of a radical on the issue, although I think there are many opponents of captial punishment who agree with me, but who find the innocent executed the strongest argument to make. I would, if magically placed in charge, facilitate state-aided suicide for criminals who have life-sentences. This could be a replacement for capital punishment. Those who don't want to live the rest of their lives in jail would always have this option. -- Scott Sauyet ssauyet@eagle.wesleyan.edu " 7537,5,"From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Subject: Re: How do I find my AppContext? Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Organization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC Lines: 12 In a prior article masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) said: > Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? > I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, > whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use > to give me this value? XtAppContext XtWidgetToApplicationContext(Widget) Of course, just using the app context returned from XtCreateApplicationContext, XtAppInitialize, etc. is the best option, unless that path is not available. " 7538,15,"From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: Huh? Whuzzat? Lines: 22 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >We also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been >wrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were >following Christ. From Captialist ... in strict obedience to the Gensis >innocent women who were burned alive in accordance with ""you shall not allow a >witch to live"", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing >men destroyed by the inquistion. The religious wars in Spain, France, England, >etc. Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss >of life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the >instructions therein, was unquestionable. There is much to grieve. I agree. Where in the Gospels does Jesus advocate any of the actions you mention? I couldn't find ""witch"" or ""sorceress"" in my concordance. Is there something in the Epistles about witches? (I'm still working my way through the Gospels.) JJ [The reference is Ex 22:18. It's witch in KJ, sorceress in RSV. --clh] " 7539,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 61 In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] > >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. >> These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of >> his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar >> to the way Jim Jones has been described. > >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance? >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15. I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire. >> FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background >> checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their >> decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill >> Koresh's own prophecy? > >And nevertheless, they hit all their marks and read all the scripted lines. >Well, it sure beats the hell out of me. Maybe Thoreau had a clue when he >said, ""It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so >ingenious."" I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly. >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set >> >:by cult members. >> > >> >Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far, >> >no one else has been able to talk to them. >> >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, >> will you believe them? > >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else >who doesn't know them personally. Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no good if you believe in eternal darkness. >-- > >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... > -- " 7540,2,"From: mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca (Marc Trottier) Subject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind? Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: mtrottie.mps.emr.ca Organization: MPS, Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada In article <1993Apr22.172514.13025@cci632.cci.com> jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) writes: >From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) >Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind? >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:25:14 GMT >We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window >to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows >that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ?? > >Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group. > >Thanks for any help >--- John Bruno > Apparently, Microsoft came out with a new product: MS-Braille it is suppose to be ""WYTIWIG"". :-) No offense. Marc Trottier / mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca " 7541,3,"From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman) Subject: Help with motherboard w/no docs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 20 Well, I was told that my last message came through without anything in it, so I'll try again. I have a Leading Edge 386SX 16 with a flaky motherboard and a friend game me one to replace it, but he didn't have any docs for the mother board. It's a CHEERTRON board with Award bios and has a sticker on it that says VI 1 T1 3 T2 3 on it. I can tell what most of the switches on the blue blocks mean. except FDC and SH, but I have no idea about all the jumpers. I've replaced hard drives and modems and installed math co-processes, but this is a bit out of my league and without the docs, I'm really lost. If anyone could give me some help on this, I'd really appreciate it. I don't get on news regularly, so if you can help, please e-mail me at passman@world.std.com Thanks. -- Shirl " 7542,14,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Gibbons Outlines SSF Redesign Guidance News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 76 NASA Headquarters distributed the following press release today (4/6). I've typed it in verbatim, for you folks to chew over. Many of the topics recently discussed on sci.space are covered in this. Gibbons Outlines Space Station Redesign Guidance Dr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space station. A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee. Each option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development, operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds. Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA budget for the President's new technology investment. As a result, station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in the rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space station option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years. Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of the advisory committee. Generally, the members-designate focused upon administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted. They also received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory committee to consider. Gibbons also announced that the United States and its international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese, and Canadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give ""full consideration"" to use of Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process. To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems. The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology. The overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilities. Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving that goal. Gibbons reiterated that, ""President Clinton is committed to the redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program represents. However, he also is committed to a space station that is well managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation."" NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian participation will be accomplished through the East- West Space Science Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald Sagdeev. " 7543,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: HV diodes Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 36 In article <7480220@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: |> > Nope. The dag is on the outside of the tube, and is grounded. The inside |> > aluminization *is* the second anode, and is connected to the 'anode' |> > suction cup. This (with the glass of the tube in between) is a capacitor, |> > and is used as the power supply bypass/filter for the HV supply. Some |> > smaller scope tubes don't have an aquadag coating on the outside. If they |> > are in mu-metal shields, you still have a capacitor. |> |> Actually (and I think I said this in the original, but perhaps wasn't clear |> enough) there is usually both an internal AND an external dag. Of the two, |> the internal dag is the more important; the aluminization of the back of the |> phosphor is in most cases not adequate to guarantee connection to the anode |> ""button"" (and in the case where the gun assembly includes an accelerating |> electrode at anode potential, most definitely does not provide THAT |> connection). Bob is indeed correct here in more than one way. A look in the old RCA picture tube manual backs this up, as does SAMS Reference Data handbook. The internal coating around the perimeter of the CRT (not the aluminum or tin CRT face coating) is referred to as a ""dag"" as well as the outer coating. Thankfully, I didn't need to go to a f****** library to find it, either. One sparkling water for Mr. Vanderbyl (no caffeine in that, is there). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 7544,10,"From: franti@polaris.utu.fi (Pasi Fr{nti) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: University of Turku, Finland Lines: 20 lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes: >> Player: Points: +/- Subtraction: >> ------- ------- ---- ------------ >> Lemieux 157 53 -104 >> LaFontaine 145 13 -132 >> Oates 141 12 -129 >> Yzerman 138 33 -105 >> Selanne 137 8 -129 >This is wrong. Among Lemieux's 157 points, we do NOT know how many >are power play points. We may be able to find out how many PP goal he >scored, but not how many PP assist he accumulated. We also don't know >the # times he was on the ice but not credited on the goals the Pens >scored. That is what my point really was. There is not straight dependency between the +/- and scored points. Apparently most of the netters have realized it by themselves. " 7545,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. Why ""must""? --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. " 7546,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.223029.23340@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >> Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he >>could see where he was backing up??? Although reverse lights on the sides > >No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They >aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail >lights. I don't know where you live, but I couldn't get out of my driveway at night without reverse lights. As someone said, out in the country you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between day and night. At night around my house (which is amongst a forest of rather tall oaks) it is DARK, except for nights with full moons. Reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up; I greatly prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 7547,18,"From: sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: Using California's Antidiscrimination: The Sort Of Case I Predicted Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 26 In article <15312@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <1993Apr08.092954.13507@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: ># Face it, Clayton, he was not found guilty, and so what if gays sometimes ># make it consensually with 16 year old boys. There ARE 16 year old gays, you ># know. And as I recall, the case of the state rested on the testimony of one ># ""victim"" who declined to testify, even under threat. I have had teens since ># I was 40, and so have a lot of people. Face it Clayton, you're just a jerk! ># -RSW ># -- ># * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * ># * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * ># * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * > >I am always amazed to see people admit to breaking the law -- and >putting their address in the signature. Please tell us more about >this. Were they 13? 14? Would you like to make a statement for >the district attorney? I had sex with a 13 year old boy, it was great, we did *everything*, well, a hell of a lot. It was fun anyway. Oh, and before you turn purple with rage I was 12 at the time. >-- >Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! >Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 7548,6,From: mkawecki@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (michael.kawecki) Subject: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE *** Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 25 Take Everything for $210 TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with: 1 Controller AC Adapter Antenna hookup * Games: Kieth Courage Victory Run Fantasy Zone Military Madness Battle Royal Legendary Axe Blazing Lasers Bloody Wolf -------------------------------------- * Will sell games separatley at $25 each -------------------------------------- Please Call Mike: 908-949-3804 (Day) 908-469-3250 (Eves) 7549,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 38 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) says: >Let the ""GREAT CHUCKMEISTER"" make a couple predictions, if you >will: > >1. The sun will rise tomorrow. >2. Rush will bash Clinton on his next show. >3. I will turn out to be Clinton's love child. Hey, *I* wasn't the one dancing and singing on Jan. 20, now WAS I? I was roundly ridiculed for my ""predictions"". Sure they were easy. TEll that to the other 43% of the people. :) > >+----------------+ >| SUCKA! | >| | >| Made in USA | >+----------------+ > >Hook, line, and sinker! *chuckle* Just WAIT until the see what Clinton has planned for their pension funds! :) This one doesn't take much thinking either. Uncle Sam needs money, BAD, and pension funds got it. Well, they USED to have it. Turns out the states have been plundering state employee funds for the past 2-3 years. ;) Ah, it's gonna be SWELL! " 7550,17,"From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Get a life Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hey Serdar, What nationality are you anyway? You are the supreme geek of geekdom of the usenet. You are laeding a totally useless and futile life on your computer Mr. Wimpy. You are the epitamy of a coward.I can predict that you will spend the rest of your useless, wastefull and pitifull life on the Usenet. What a wasted life. ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** " 7551,5,"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) Subject: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Lines: 40 I'm trying to write some code that lets me draw lines and do rubber-band boxes in Motif/X. I'm running on an 8-bit display for which I've created a colormap and am using almost all of the colors. I want to draw the lines in a drawing area widget -- a widget in which I'm displaying a bitmap using XPutImage(). If doesn't matter if the lines I draw interactively stay around when the window is refreshed. Currently, to draw interactively, I begin with: /* drawIndex is an colortable index I reserve for the Foreground */ /* my_default_bg_color is the color index for the background of my image */ palette_colors[drawIndex].red = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].red; palette_colors[drawIndex].green = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].green; palette_colors[drawIndex].blue = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].blue; XStoreColors( myDisplay, my_cmap, &palette_colors[DrawIndex], 1); XFlush( myDisplay); XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); Then to draw I do: XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); XFlush( myDisplay); And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? david " 7552,5,"From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar) Subject: Re: X Toolkits Summary: Get the Athena 3D widget set Distribution: inet Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu libXaw3d, the 3D Athena widget set will greatly improve the ""sculptured"" look. In Linux, with its shared, jump-table libs, you don't even have to recompile or relink. you merely have to: ln -sf /lib/libXaw3d.so.3.0 /lib/libXaw.so.3 thomas " 7553,5,"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question In-Reply-To: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:48:30 -0400 Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Lines: 52 | | In article buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write | >In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: | >> Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics | >> don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your | >> rectangle? | > | >Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains | >Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item | >to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() | >(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new | >item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care | >of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the | >Window is mapped. | > | >The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window | >is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so | >that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? | > | | What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously | stated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen | just to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT | a problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not | working!!! | | Does anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that | XCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful! | | Thanks! What it has to do with your original question is this: many times beginning X users (heck, experienced X users too!) write small test programs. Many times they forget to draw only in response to expose events, and thus see unpreditable results whereby sometimes the application's graphics show up, and sometimes they don't. We're just trying to eliminate all the ""easy"" explanations for why you're not seeing your graphics. That being said, why don't you try copying different planes to your window other than 16 (== 1 << 4). Try 1, 1<<1, 1<<2, ..., 1<<7 to see it you get any output. Since you're dipslaying only a single plane of your data, it's possible that all the pixel values in your pixmap have the same value for that color plane. Ken -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051 " 7554,19,"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes: > > The results of the passing amendment in > Colorado has created an organization who's posters are appearing all over > Colorado called ""S.T.R.A.I.G.H.T."" (I forget the whole definition off hand, > but the last part was Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash) and their motto > is ""Working for a fag-free America"" with an implicit advocation for violence. I live in Colorado, and have never heard of such a group. Obviously claims that their posters are appearing ""all over Colorado"" are a tad overdone... > This is sick, and it seems to be what you and Mr. Hudson, and others are > embracing. Hardly. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from ""Working for a fag-free America"". Saying that I wouldn't want a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean I endorse ""Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash"". > We Christians have a LOOOOOOOOOONG tradition of coersion and oppression > towards those we feel don't 'measure up', And now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we don't teach our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable alternative lifestyle, then they will have it done for us. No, thanks. > The Gospel I believe is not so negative, rather it seeks ways to ""include"" > people. Absolutely. And the message is always, ""go and sin no more"". Not, Go and do whatever ""feels good"". One question, at the start of your post, you wrote: > I know many gays and I will NOT turn my back on them or their right to be free > form discrimination...I may have lost face with the greater Christian > community for the unpopularity of my beliefs, but so did the abolitionists > against the oppression of African-Americans. Many were even killed and > treated as runaway slaves for being ""nigger-lovers"" and such. I guess I've > decided the challenge is worth it. This sounds real nice, but struck me as a little odd. You're presenting yourself as if you were a straight Xian, who is sticking his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support of gays in the church. But I was under the impression that you yourself are gay. That's all well and fine, but presenting yourself as sticking out your neck to help ""repressed others"" seems a bit untruthful under the circumstances.... Walter " 7555,13,"From: rog@cdc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) Subject: Re: sex problem. Article-I.D.: news.C52E58.L8G Organization: HP California Design Center, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: hammer.cdc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] larry silverberg (ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet) wrote: > Hello out there, > She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet). Interesting. Does she know you have placed this info request on the net for the world to see? If not, how do you think she would react if she found out? Why would you accept the advice of unknown entities rather than a counselor? > Any suggestions would be appreciated. See the counselor. Well, you asked. " 7556,11,"From: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: WH proposal from Police point of view Reply-To: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 55 Nntp-Posting-Host: sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu It might pay to start looking at what this proposal might mean to a police agency. It just might be a bad idea for them, too. OK, suppose the NY State Police want to tap a suspect's phone. They need a warrant, just like the old days. But unlike the old days, they now need to (a) get two federal agencies to give them the two parts of the key. Now, what happens if there's a tiff between the two escrow houses? Posession/release of keys becomes a political bargaining chit. State and lower-level police agencies have to watch the big boys play politics, while potentially good leads disappear, lives and property are lost, statutes of limitations run out, etc. Not to mention: a moderately clever person who suspects the police are after her/him will be buying new phones faster than tap requests can be processed. Or using stolen ones. [Will the Turing Police come and arrest you for transmitting without a dialing license?] There's also bureacracy and security problems -- within each escrow house, how will requests for key disclosure be authenticated? Put in enough safeguards of the kind bureaucrats and activists feel comfortable with, and it might take a LONG time to get that key. [Even when a request is approved, how is the key going to be disclosed? Will it be encrypted by a Clipper-type chip for transmission? In a bureaucracy the size of the Federal Government, with a databank of the necessary size, and data traffic of the projected volume, there's going to be a lot of weak links. How many of these kinds of problems will be open for public or ""expert"" scrutiny?] Furthermore, the Feds might be leery of handing completed keys around, even to State Police agencies: a trust and security issue. This would be an especially acute issue if some other State's Police had mishandled a key, resulting in lawsuits, financial settlements, and political embarassment. So, the Feds implement it this way: (b) some federal agency gets the keys, performs the tap, and turns the results over to the NY State Police. But let's say Cuomo's been causing some problems over a Clinton Aid-To-Urban-Areas proposal. Or there just happens to be a turf war going on between the State cops and the Justice department on a case. Now, not only do we have the keys as a political chit, we have an extra player in the game *and* we have the tap's tapes as another bargaining chit. Again, the State Police lose. I understand that (legal) wiretaps are quite expensive to maintain. In scenario (b), who pays the bill? +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ " 7557,11,"From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Computing Research Lab Lines: 36 <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: lole.nmsu.edu In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:59:12 GMT In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was >des encryped and the person that had sent it, went on vaction. >Rather than wait two weeks I set up a straight frontal attack with >one key at a time. It only took two(2) days to crack the file. >No, I don't have any faith in DES. Taking this at face value (though it seems quite dissonant with much else that has been published here about brute force DES cracking, unless Russell was lucky with respect to the key), I'd be very interested in whether the program Russell used is available? key search is very practical in many real situations since people use such stupid keys on the average. password crackers know this well. Depending on his answer, this could be an appalling development calling into question both DES and RSA/DES. not really. in fact, public key based communication systems very often pick keys automatically which are much better than passwords or pass phrases. If any bright programmer with a little idle machine time can crack a single DES message in a couple of days (assuming no tricks that are message-specific), if a person picked the password or pass phrase, then the key search is pretty straightforward. in running english text, the average content of a single word is about 8 bits. in pass phrases, this may increase to 10 bits or so. searching 30bit spaces is semi-practical even in software and searching 40bit spaces isn't outrageous to imagine with hardware assists of moderate size. " 7558,4,"From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis) Subject: Pixel disappear on Powerbook 140 screen Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu Keywords: Powerbook, 140, pixel, screen Some pixels on my PB 140 display disappear intermittently. They are not in a particular place but random. If anybody has suggestions I would appreciate e-mailings. Thanks. -- aris@psssun.pss.msu.edu ############# (beware of the 3 s) | /\ /\ | [| o o |] ______________________nnnnn______|_____U_____|______nnnnn______________________ " 7559,10,"From: U16028@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: Re: Coloured puck (was: CHANGES NOT NOTED YET!) Article-I.D.: uicvm.93095.203829U16028 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.171006.22196@bnr.ca>, dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan) says: >The precedent was set by the WHA in their first season. They used a red >puck for exhibition games and a blue one for the regular season. >Thankfully, they abandoned it in favour of black before the next season >began. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- One reason that the WHA abandoned the blue puck was the fact that it crumbled very quickly during play. The blue dye that was used somehow affected the vulcanized rubber of the puck, decreasing its cohesiveness. Terry U16028@uicvm.uic.edu &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& " 7560,16,"From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!) Lines: 17 slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: > > I just want to point out that while I am fully in support of privacy, >it will be possible soon to have a completely secure ID card, useable in bank >transactions, medical, etc etc. There is no such thing as ""completely secure,"" especially when dealing with High Technology. It's all a question of cost: what cost are you willing to bear to protect your information vs. what rewards the ""bad guys"" are going to get if they break it. The rewards of breaking such a single ID system would be high indeed. =============================================================================== Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu | ""Born to die"" | Keep your laws off my brain! ""What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"" - Nick Lowe This .sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals. ""Time is just nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once."" " 7561,1,From: seth@north13.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Subject: univesa driver Reply-To: seth@north13.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: north13.acpub.duke.edu I got the univesa driver available over the net. I thought that finally my 1-meg oak board would be able to show 680x1024 256 colors. Unfortunately a program still says that I can't do this. Is it the fault of the program (fractint) or is there something wrong with my card. univesa- a free driver available over the net that makes many boards vesa compatible. 7562,8,"From: exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au Subject: extraordinary footpeg engineering Article-I.D.: csdvax.1993Apr15.001813.3907 Organization: University of New South Wales Lines: 29 Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. My bike is a Kawasaki GPX250R with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc., and on the lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a ""bank-follower"", or a little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a 100%-banked turn. The stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about 7 mm long, which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg. Now for the mystery. The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent. I'm fairly sure it was there before the event. There was no damage to the end of the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been. In fact, the thread in the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously. Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without damaging the thread in the hole ? Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo that Kawasaki never mentioned, like that the end of the footpeg suddenly changes phase on impact, to let the stud rip out, then changes back to a solid ? I'm quite amazed at how this could have happened. In the meantime, life goes on, without a left-hand bank-follower. Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper " 7563,0,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War Lines: 128 In article <930414.121019.7E4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew writes: > rush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Voelkerding) writes: >>In article <1993Apr12.143834.26803@seachg.com> chrisb@seachg.com (Chris >>Blask) writes: >>>Add to this the outrageous cost of putting someone to death (special cell >>>block, years of court costs, extra guards...) and the benefits of the death >>>penalty entirely disappear. >> >> That's because of your earlier claim that the one innocent death >> overrides the benefit of all the others. Obviously it's tragic, but >> it is no argument for doing away with the death penalty. If we went >> to war and worried about accidentally killing civilians all of the time >> (because our determination of who the enemy really is is imperfect), then >> there is no way to win the war. > > Yes. Fortunately we have right-thinking folks like your good self in power, > and it was therefore deemed acceptable to slaughter tens or even hundreds of > thousands of Iraqis in order to liberate oil^H^H^HKuwait. We won the war, > hurrah hurrah! The number of civilian Iraqi deaths were way over-exaggerated and exploited for anti-war emotionalism by the liberal news media. The facts are that less Iraqis died in the Gulf War than did civilians in any other war of comparable size this century! This was due mostly to the short duration coupled with precise surgical bombing techniques which were technically possible only recently. The idea that ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi citizens died is ludicrous. Not even ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi soldiers died, and they were the ones being targeted! Or do you think that the US and its allies were specifically out to kill and maim Iraqi civilians? Either the smart bombs didn't hit their targets (and we know they did), or they were targeting civilian targets (!) which is hardly condusive to destroying Iraq's military potential. The military mission planners are not fools, they know they have to hit *military* targets to win a war. Hitting civilian targets does nothing but unite the people against you, not a laudable goal if one wants the people to rise up against their tyrant-dictator. > > OK, so some innocent people died. Yes, maybe the unarmed civilians fleeing > along that road didn't need to be bombed to bits. Perhaps that kid with half > his face burned off and the little girl with the mangled legs weren't > entirely guilty. But it's worth the death of a few innocents to save the > oil^H^H^Hlives of the Kuwaiti people, isn't it? After all, the Iraqis may > not have had a chance to vote for Saddam, but they showed their acceptance of > his regime by not assassinating him, right? All that surrendering and > fleeing along open roads was just a devious ploy. We were entirely within > our rights to bomb 'em just in case, without finding out if they were > soldiers. How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? I don't hear you bemoaning them! War is never an exact science, but with smart bombs, it's becoming more exact with a smaller percentage of civilian casualties. Sometimes mistakes are made; targets are misidentified; innocents die. That's war the way it really is. But the alternative, to allow tyrannical dictators to treat the earth like it's one big rummage sale, grabbing everything they can get is worse. Like Patrick Henry said some 217 years ago, ""I know not what course others may take -- but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"" War is always the price one must be willing to pay if one wishes to stay free. > >> The death penalty was conceived as a deterrent to crime, but the legal >> shenanigans that have been added (automatic appeals, lengthy court >> battles, etc.) have relegated that purpose to a very small part of what >> it should be. Hence the question is, do we instate the death penalty as >> it was meant to be, and see if that deters crime, or do we get rid of >> it entirely? > > Yes, let's reinstate the death penalty the way it ought to be. All that shit > about fair trials and a court of appeals just gets in the way of justice. > Let's give the police the absolute right to gun down the guilty, and save > ourselves the expense of all those lawyers. > > Think of the knock-on benefits, too. LA would never have had to spend so > much money cleaning up after riots and holding showcase trials if the cops > had been allowed to do their job properly. A quick bullet through the head > of Rodney King and another for the cameraman, and everyone would have been > saved a great deal of unnecessary paperwork and expense. > > After all, if the police decide a man's guilty, that ought to be enough. The > fact that the death penalty has been shown not to have any deterrent effect > over imprisonment, well, that's entirely irrelevant. > > > mathew > -- Mathew, your sarcasm is noted but you are completely off-base here. You come off sounding like a complete peace-nik idiot, although I feel sure that was not your intent. So the Iraqi war was wrong, eh? I'm sure that appeasement would have worked better than war, just like it did in WW2, eh? I guess we shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. How about all the poor French who died in the crossfire because we invaded the continent? We should have just let Hitler take over Europe, and you'd be speaking German instead of English right now. Tyrants like Hussein *have* to be stopped. His kind don't understand diplomacy; they only understand the point of a gun. My only regret is that Bush wimped out and didn't have the military roll into Baghdad, so now Hussein is still in power and the Iraqi people's sacrifice (not to mention the 357 Americans who died) was for naught. Liberating Kuwait was a good thing, but wiping Hussein off the map would've been better! And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I have not seen. When one makes a judgment without the benefit of a trial where evidence can be presented on both sides, one has simply lowered himself to the level of vigilante justice, a state-of-mind which your sarcasm above seemingly spoke against, but instead tends to support in the case against the policemen. Law in this country is intended to protect the rights of the accused, whether they be criminals or cops. One is not found guilty if there is a reasonable doubt of one's guilt, and only the jury is in a position to assess the evidence and render a verdict. Anyone else is simply succumbing to verbal vigilantism. Regards, Jim B. " 7564,15,"From: 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) Subject: Some questions from a new Christian Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 40 Hi, I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. I was raised as a Unitarian and have spent the better part of my life as an agnostic, but recently I have developed the firm conviction that the Christian message is correct and I have accepted Jesus into my life. I am happy, but I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological works intended for a lay person? I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference between the various Protestant denominations. Thanks for reading my post. Sincerely, Steve Hoskins [Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT introduction. There are also some good one-volume commentaries. They often have background articles that are helpful. Probably the best recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary. (I think there may be a couple of books with this title. This is a fairly recent one, like about 1990, done in cooperation with the Society for Biblical Criticism.) If you are committed to inerrancy, you will probably prefer something more conservative. I don't read a lot of conservative books, but a commentary I looked at by Donald Guthrie looked rather good. He has a NT Introduction, and he's also editor of Eerdman's Bible Commentary. --clh] " 7565,7,"From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Summary: Be careful about concealed weapons!!! Lines: 45 In article , callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: | In article <1993Apr19.145238.9561@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: | >anything if he hadn't emptied his gun into the asshole. Texas--it's | >whole other country. | | That reminds me of one of Texas's ads...you hear a guy speaking in | French (like it's a letter home), then the French moves to the | background, and a French-accented voice come to the foreground, talking | about how he went walking on the beach, and it felt so much like | home that he decided to take his shoes off...and the rest of his | clothes. It ended with ""please send bail."" :-) | | >On an rec.autos note, does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in | >their car (which is bad idea, isn't it?) if you work in a bad part of | >town (or regularly go through one)? Is this a loaded question? :^) | | I normally have an unloaded Colt Delta in my glove box with a loaded | magazine handy (which is perfectly legal in Oklahoma). For those | times that I'm travelling inter-state, I keep an unloaded | S&W .44 Magnum revolver in the glove box, with a speed-loader |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | in my pocket (which is legal everywhere, under Federal law, Illinois | State Police be hanged). | | As I've said before, this is stricly for defense; my insurance | will pay to replace my car, but I only have one life... | | James | Carrying a pistol, loaded or unloaded, in the glove compartment, is considered carrying a concealed weapon in Colorado and is illegal without a concealed weapons permit. Unless the law has been changed recently, carrying a weapon openly is legal in Colorado but concealing it is illegal. I read a newspaper account last year where police stopped a car on a traffic infraction and observed a .357 magnum revolver sitting on the seat. The driver could not be cited for possessing or carrying the weapon because it was not concealed. The article stated that if the gun had been discovered in the glove box, it would have been considered a crime. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young " 7566,7,"From: opuglies@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Orlando Pugliese) Subject: Is this a good price ? Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx Hi everybody, I will buy a Honda Civic EX Coupe. The dealer ask $12,750 for it, including A/C ( installed ), but not including stereo, tax, registration fees. I live in Mexico, so I don't have time to go to a lot of dealers and compare their prices. The dealer is in McAllen, Tx. Is this a good price for that car ? If not, how much should I pay for it ? Please e-mail ASAP if you don't want to post. Thanks a lot. Orlando Pugliese opuglies@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx -- ___________________________________ | * | | | ** * * ** | | Orlando Pugliese N | * * * | | Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios | * * | | Superiores de Monterrey |_________________|_________________| Depto. de Informacion Academica | | * | Monterrey, N.L., Mexico | | ** * * ** | (83) 58-2000 ext 4113 " 7567,2,"From: rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee) Subject: Diamond Speedstar Driver for v3.1 Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 16 I am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond Speedstar 1MB video card. Does anybody know of an archive site that has these? I looked at CICA and it had drivers for the Stealth card and for Generic ET4000 cards but not one specifically for the Speedstar. Is there one? Or has Diamond dropped the Speedstar out of the driver development loop. Thanks for any info, Rob -- Robert Mee Boston University Information Technology (rem@bu-it.bu.edu) " 7568,3,From: randy@msc.cornell.edu Subject: SCSI vs. IDE Organization: Cornell University Lines: 8 Do all SCSI cards for DOS systems require a separate device driver to be loaded into memory for each SCSI device hooked up? Will this also be true of the 32-bit OS's? Thanks. Randy 7569,3,"From: blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) Subject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card? Organization: Silicon Graphics Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.230319.28437@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes: |> PC Magazine just did another review of high-end graphics accelerators. For all |> around performance (Windows, DOS, CAD) go for ATI Graphics Ultra Pro. They've |> done two reviews in the last three months and that card ranks as an editors |> choice in both reviews. For all around performance it seems it just can't be |> beat. You should pick up this issue of PC-Mag (April 13) and check it out for |> yourself. Windows: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards are significantly faster doing Windows than the ATI card. VGA: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards they looked at are significantly slower doing VGA than the ATI card. About 1/2 the speed, as I recall. The big question for me is the Orchid V9000 card. Each of the P9000 cards tested so far has had the W5186 to do VGA. Orchid is the only one I know about (I don't know about AMI) that uses the W5286 for VGA. That is reportedly faster. I would like to know whether the Orchid card can do VGA as fast as the ATI card. If so, it would appear to be a formidable competitor. (Advertised prices are about the same for the two cards.) Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look like? Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed? --Bob " 7570,5,"From: venkatg@grace.CS.ORST.EDU (Gopal Venkatraman) Subject: question regarding overlaying of graphics Article-I.D.: flop.1r5f7lINNj71 Distribution: world Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: grace.cs.orst.edu Hello... I wonder if some one can suggest an answer to the following question: I am a total X novice and would appreciate any suggestions you may have. I am trying to create a simple drawing tool.... __________ | | | ___|___ |_____|__| | | | |_____| Let's say I have two rectangles on the canvas(see above) one intersecting the other... Now, I would like to delete one of the rectangles. The way I do it is to create another GC wherein I use the GXxor logical function and simply redraw the rectangle using the newly created graphics context thus deleting it for all apparent purposes. A problem with this approach is that at the points of intersection the pixel locations belonging to the other rectangle also become white, which is something that should be avoided. Is there any way I can avoid this problem without having to redraw the other rectangle too? I also would not like to generate an expose event for the affected area as this degrades performance very badly... Thank you... Gopal " 7571,15,"From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) Subject: Re: harrassed at work, could use some prayers Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego Lines: 63 (Well, I'll email also, but this may apply to other people, so I'll post also.) >I've been working at this company for eight years in various >engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that >on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this >company. >I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask >me some kind of question... Your boss should be the person bring these problems to. If he/she does not seem to take any action, keep going up higher and higher. Sexual harrassment does not need to be tolerated, and it can be an enormous emotional support to discuss this with someone and know that they are trying to do something about it. If you feel you can not discuss this with your boss, perhaps your company has a personnel department that can work for you while preserving your privacy. Most companies will want to deal with this problem because constant anxiety does seriously affect how effectively employees do their jobs. It is unclear from your letter if you have done this or not. It is not inconceivable that management remains ignorant of employee problems/strife even after eight years (it's a miracle if they do notice). Perhaps your manager did not bring to the attention of higher ups? If the company indeed does seem to want to ignore the entire problem, there may be a state agency willing to fight with you. (check with a lawyer, a women's resource center, etc to find out) You may also want to discuss this with your paster, priest, husband, etc. That is, someone you know will not be judgemental and that is supportive, comforting, etc. This will bring a lot of healing. >So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single >person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one >could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my >number was posted. This happens to a lot of people. Honest. I believe it may seem to be due to gross insensitivity because of the feelings you are going through. People in offices tend to be more insensitive while working than they normally are (maybe it's the hustle or stress or...) I've had this happen to me a lot, often because they didn't realize my car was broken, etc. Then they will come back and wonder why I didn't want to go (this would tend to make me stop being angry at being ignored and make me laugh). Once, we went off without our boss, who was paying for the lunch :-) >For this >reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. Well, if you can't turn to the computer for support, what would we do? (signs of the computer age :-) In closing, please don't let the hateful actions of a single person harm you. They are doing it because they are still the playground bully and enjoy seeing the hurt they cause. And you should not accept the opinions of an imbecile that you are worthless - much wiser people hold you in great esteem. -- Darin Johnson djohnson@ucsd.edu - Luxury! In MY day, we had to make do with 5 bytes of swap... " 7572,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 5: Left Wings Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 161 Apparently, Part 2 (defensemen numbered 2 through 19) was lost when I posted it; to make things worse, I lost my own copy. I have asked on the Sharks mailing list, on which it did get out, to see if someone can mail me a copy back. If someone responds, I will repost it when I get it; otherwise, I will re-write it in a day or two and post it. Sorry about that. #8 LARRY DEPALMA Season: 3rd Acquired: '91-92, free agent from Minnesota Grade: I (C-/D+) No netter/fan watching the Sharks, including me, knows where DePalma was at the end of the season; the Sharks appeared to still have his rights, but he wasn't in San Jose, he wasn't in Kansas City, and his name hasn't appeared on the waiver wire. And that kind of invisibility was prevalent for the most part for DePalma. After being called up October 30 against the Tampa Bay Lightning, DePalma had an excellent week, scoring 5 points in 3 games while playing good defense. Unfortunately, the 27-year-old DePalma then disappeared the rest of the way, getting just 3 more points in 15 more games, and generally looked lethargic and uninterested on both ends of the ice. He then was sent down to Kansas City, walked out from there, and was suspended and later reinstated when it was revealed that he was injured; he then promptly disappeared from the watching eyes of Shark Bytes (as the mailing list is now known to Sharks officials) faithful, and neither the Sharks nor we miss him. #10 JOHAN GARPENLOV Season: 3rd Acquired: '91-92, trade with Detroit for D Bob McGill and 8th round pick in '92 entry draft from Vancouver Grade: A/A- After an early slump, Garpenlov was nothing short of inspirational the rest of the way, finishing with 66 points in 79 games, second highest total on the team, as he clicked well with team MVP Kelly Kisio and right wing Rob Gaudreau. Kisio got most of the credit, but Garpenlov, finishing second in the MVP voting, clearly demonstrated his playmaking and scoring skills, as he was seen making excellent centering passes as well as finishing passes to him by putting the puck past opposing goaltenders, getting a club-high 14 power- play goals. Contrary to his previous rep, Garpenlov also showed that despite his small size (5' 11"", 183 lbs.), he was willing to throw himself around when necessary, albeit not very successful yet. He also still needs to work on his defense, although he improved tremendously throughout the season, and was actually quite a good penalty killer by the end of the season. He will be a major key to the offense next year. #15 DAVID BRUCE Season: 5th Acquired: '91-92, from St. Louis in expansion draft Grade: I (?) After a banner '91-92, when he led the team in power-play goals (10) and was third in total scoring (38 points in 60 games), Bruce was bothered virtually all of this season with a groin injury, which kept him out of the lineup for all by 17 games this season. Of course, it is difficult to speculate how well he would have done this season had he not been affected by the injury, but the 28-year-old Bruce was effective with a man up or a man short in the Sharks' first season, and was expected to be a strong offensive leader this season as well. The injury appears serious, which is a shame, because otherwise he may have a much brighter future for now; instead, his future with the Sharks next season appears clouded. #18 MARK PEDERSON Season: 3rd Acquired: '92-93, trade with Philadelphia for C/LW Dave Snuggerud Grade: I (B) It is difficult for me to understand the Flyers' decision to unload Pederson, after a very good offensive season last season (40 points in 58 games), but after riding the pine early in the season, Pederson was summarily sent to the Sharks in exchange of the defensive-minded Snuggerud, and he finished with 41 games combined with the Flyers and the Sharks. He was also limited by injuries this season, and this limited his production (17 points). But when healthy, Pederson appears impressive, with a good scoring touch, good size (and the willingness to throw it around, although he's not considered a physical forward), and good speed. He also does not appear to be a liability on defense, but the Sharks probably have to wait until next season to see how much, exactly, Pederson can do. #20 JOHN CARTER Season: 4th Acquired: '91-92, free agent from Boston Grade: I (B+/B) Carter was definitely one of the hardest workers on the team, and the hard work worked wonders, as at times he looked great on ice. However, although he did look great at times, the fact that he received just 16 points (in 55 games) for his efforts is a sign that there is only so much his hard work can do, and the Sharks confirmed that by sending him to Kansas City with about 20 games left in the season. Carter, who will turn 30 on May 6, always hussled, but as a result, was sometimes trapped too deep within the offensive zone while forechecking, but he was generally a credit on the defensive end, but he is probably of limited utility in that capacity, and he did not impress offensively, although he was one of the best Sharks at drawing penalties. He is very unlikely to be back next season. #28 JEAN-FRANCOIS QUINTIN Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (B+/B) I don't understand why the Sharks didn't let Quintin play any more than the 14 games he played this season. He was generally hard-working and creating opportunities offensively, and appeared, at age 23, ready for regular NHL duty, at least for a team like the Sharks, finishing with 7 points in those 14 games while not being a defensive liability. Shoulder injury in training camp before the '91-92 season limited Quintin, the team's leading scorer in exhibition games despite sitting out the final two, to just 29 games with the Sharks and the Blades that season, but he looked impressive. He should be a solid contender for regular duty next season. #41 MARK BEAUFAIT Season: 1st Acquired: 2nd round pick in 1991 supplemental draft Grade: I (?) After a all-star season at Kansas City, Beaufait got a cup of coffey with the Sharks late in the season when the Blades knocked down a playoff spot and the Sharks decimated with injuries, playing 5 games and scoring a goal for his only NHL point thus far. Despite small size (5' 9"", 165 lbs.), Beaufait was not shy to throw himself around when necessary, and looked pretty good at times, although it's too early to judge him based on 5 NHL games, in which he played mostly left wing, away from his center position at Northern Michigan and Kansas City. #42 JAROSLAV OTEVREL Season: 1st Acquired: 8th round pick in 1991 entry draft Grade: I (?) Like Beaufait, Otevrel also played away from his normal position when he was up for his cup of tea (7 games) midway through the season. He was generally very much of a defensive liability, and did not show much offensively either, although that may be more indicative of the lack of ice time he got in those 7 games. He may need another season to work on his defense, but once his defense is acceptable, he should be ready. #44 MICHEL PICARD Season: 1st Acquired: '92-93, trade with Hartford for LW Yvon Corriveau Grade: I (B-/C+) The 23-year-old Picard, although he perennially tore up the minors, seems to be close to being out of chances, for some reason, after being acquired by the Sharks but failing to impress the management in 25 games, scoring 4 goals for his only points, and he spent most of the rest of the way in Kansas City. He was not particularly strong defensively, and despite his offensive brilliance in the minors, he has failed thus far to score in the NHL, although he has been given limited opportunities. He may be the Sharks' bait in the expansion draft. #45 DODY WOOD Season: 1st Acquired: 3rd round pick in 1991 entry draft Grade: I (D+/D, although perhaps I shouldn't give a grade at all) I have been accused of knocking on Wood too much. :-) Then, it is probably no surprise to you that I am thoroughly unimpressed by Wood thus far, although 13 games is a small example. He was generally a nonfactor on offense, was not particularly good defensively, and took too many silly penalties, losing many fights in the process and gathering 69 penalty minutes in those 13 games, projecting to to 446(!) in an 84-game season. He's not ready, and needs at least another season at KC, where he can work on his fighting skills, if nothing else. His relatively small size (5' 11"", 181 lbs.) does not give much possibility that he can survive, at this stage, as an enforcer. =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 7573,13,"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) Subject: Re: Selective Placebo Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com In article <1993Apr17.125545.22457@rose.com> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) writes: > > OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984 > ran the heading: ""Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by > Drugs or Surgery,"" which has been echoed by several other reports. > No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since > the 20% magic of the ""placebo effect"" would award alternative > practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine... 1: ""90% of diseases"" is not the same thing as ""90% of patients"". In a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people, and nine incurable diseases which strikes one person each, medical science will cure 91% of the patients and report that 90% of diseases have no therapy. 2: A disease would be counted among the 90% untreatable if nothing better than a placebo were known. Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly dispense placebos... -dk " 7574,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Freezing and Riding Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >every spec of alertness to keep from getting squished, otherwise it's not >only dangerous, it's unpleasant. The same goes for cold and fatigue, as I >once took a half hour nap at a gas station to insure that I would make it Yeah, hypothermia is MUCH more detrimemtal to your judgement and reactions than people realise. I wish I had the patience to stop when I should. One day I'll pay for it.... If you begin to shiver - STOP and warm up thoroughly. If you leave it till the shivering stops, this doesnt mean you're OK again, it means you're a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road - your brain and body are working about as fast as a tree grows. You will not realise this yourself till you hit something. The next stage is passing out. This usually means falling off. " 7575,6,"Subject: Wanted restaurant equipment From: smp@cerc.wvu.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis) Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center Nntp-Posting-Host: cathedral.cerc.wvu.edu Lines: 17 Wanted restaurant equipment for starting a new restaurant 1) 4-6 Burner Stove 2) Hot Plate 3) Fryer 4) Stainless Steel tables, Shelves etc 5) Pots n Pans and a number of other items If interested, pl. email Shailesh -- Shailesh Potnis, Associate |Concurrent Engineering Research Member of Technical Staff |Center, West Virginia University " 7576,1,"From: Sean McMains Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17: 49:34 GMT Organization: University of North Texas X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: > And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is >a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something >like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the 68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly dynamic material. ======================================================================== Sean McMains | Check out the Gopher | Phone:817.565.2039 University of North Texas | New Bands Info server | Fax :817.565.4060 P.O. Box 13495 | at seanmac.acs.unt.edu | E-Mail: Denton TX 76203 | | McMains@unt.edu " 7577,14,"From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 25 jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone >head and done some landings, but we also would have been more >determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the >Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend >upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base >would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think >that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value >of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would >have concentrated on the moon. Great speculation - I remember being proud on behalf of all the free world (you think that way when you are seven years old) that we had got there first. Now I'm almost sorry that it worked out that way. I guess the soviets would have taken the victory seriously too, and would almost certainly not have fallen victim to the complacency that overtook the US program. Perhaps stretching to match US efforts would have destabilized them sooner than it did in fact - and in the tradition of Marvel Comics 'What If', this destabilization in the Brezhnev era might have triggered the third world war. Hmm, maybe it was a giant leap after all. -- Internet: pete@extro.su.oz.au | Accept Everything. | UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!munnari!extro!pete | Reject Nothing. | " 7578,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: In memoriam: Dan Kelly and Danny Gallivan Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 27 In article burke.1@nd.edu (R. P. Burke) writes: >When talking about hockey broadcasters, let's give a moment of silence to >remember the St. Louis Blues' great, Dan Kelly. (Many of you may have heard >him in the late 60s and early 70s on CBS.) He used to do Hockey Night In >Canada intermissions, with another recently deceased great, Danny Gallivan >of the Canadiens. Agreed here...I'll never forget Dan Kelly calling the play-by-play in the '87 Canada Cup. He was masterful! And Danny Gallivan will _never_ be replaced; even now when I watch HNIC I remember his voice...when I see an Al MacInnis or Al Iafrate (hey, what's with these guys named Al who can shoot??) shot from the point I still think ""blistering blast""...THN had a tribute to Gallivan in the issue following his death; in the story they included a quote from one of the games he did. It went: ""It appears Risebrough has pugnaciously construed that check,"" he said, ""and will undoubtedly make a visitation to the box of punition."" Classic, vintage Gallivan! He's sorely missed. So here's to two of the best there was and best that ever will be. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 7579,19,"From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 12 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >I'm mostly angry why the Davidians didn't spare the children the >awful suffering. See my other posting, I'm in a bad temper. Well, dozens of children left the compound between the original BATF assualt and the FBI assault 7 weeks later. So if Koresh really wanted to kill children, why did he let so many go? -- Legalize Freedom " 7580,17,"From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory Dandulakis) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 59 In article <93106.082650FINAID5@auvm.american.edu> writes: >Message-ID: <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Mr.Napoleon responds: > >** There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor >**until 1923 Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? > > >Is that so? or you were taking advantage of weakness of ottoman >empire to grab some land. As soon as you got green lights from >allied forces, you occupied Izmir and other cities in western >Turkey. You killed and raped millions people without any reason. >Of course, you paid the price. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk made >you swim in aegean sea but not far enough. Your aggressions thru >Turkey at anytime in the past did not get you any reward and shall >not get you anywhere. Don't swallow propaganda as truth Sir. British promised to Venizelos (greek PM) that mainly greek populated areas of the Ottomans will be given to Greece, _if_ he will agree to drag Greece in the side of the British during the WWI (because the greek King was proGerman). The British succeeded by bombarding Athens (1916), killing quite a few, forcing abdication of the King, division of Greece into two separate states (North-South), and finally laying the ground for the most disasterous division between greeks for our century.(So don't feel bitter that the ""Allies"" gave any green light because they liked us....) Anyway, the British succeed to establish Venizelos, war starts at a second front against the Germans in the south while they were fighting the war in the East against the Russians, and finally the WWII came in an end. After that the British (and French) forgot immediately their promises (as usually). Even though publicly they say that they support the Greek cause, practically they not only do nothing, but instead, using some usual ""reasoning"" and other crap rhetoric as a pretext, they gradually backup Kemal (who had given now to the British ""water and bread"" that he will dissolve the superethnic Ottoman and contract it into a small ethnic-state). The main drive behind this British switch was the plan to keep a Muslim state in the region as buffer against a Russian expansion into warm-water facilities. The ""greek empire"" being an Orthodox Christian state was too prone to become Russian client. Out of this intrigue, the current state of affairs was established on our lands. While Venizelos and Kemal were promoted as true ""Giants"" by the British, since they worked to realize their goals in the region. Under the same plan, currently Greece and Turkey are recipients of big military funds from the US; both they are functioning as anti-Russian buffers, while simultaneously both remain good clients of State Dept. because otherwise the use of terror of changing ""the balance of power in the Aegean"" will be used. Under the same exact rational you should see the Cyprus problem. Gr PS: I don't make any anti-...whatever rhetoric. This is the situation in our region and needs to be said. The previously mentioned powers are not anything special; they are fucntioning the same way which anyone else functions all throughout history. So I don't selectively single them out; just they are relevant to _our_ current afairs. " 7581,3,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Need info on PS/2 mouse port Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 11 Would someone please email me the pinout for a PS/2 6-pin mini DIN mouse port? I'm trying to make an adapter for a serial mouse, and the dealer who knows what adapter works with the mouse I bought doesn't have it in stock. I have several different adapters, but none of them make sense based on what sketchy information I have about the port (they have connections to ""reserved"" pins). -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 7582,18,"From: blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) Subject: National Sales Tax, The Movie X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA08871; Thu, 15 Apr 93 07:42:23 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA05233; Thu, 15 Apr 93 07:42:12 -0700 X-Received: by uiboise.idbsu.edu (16.6/16.2) id AA27601; Wed, 14 Apr 93 10:02:10 -0600 X-To: talk.politics.misc.usenet X-Cc: alt.politics.clinton.usenet X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Lines: 54 Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very own CNN news LOGO! Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by now. YEAH! Free HEALTH CARE! Oh, yeeaaaahhhh! heh heh "" Bill makes me feel like DANCING! "" MORE AMAZING PREDICTIONS FROM THE INCREDIBLE BROMEISTER! -------------------------------------------------------- We take you back to Feburary 20th, when the INCREDIBLE BROMEISTER PREDICTED: "" $1,000 per middle class taxpayer in NEW TAXES "" "" A NATIONAL SALES TAX "" Now, for more AAMMMAAAAZZZZZZIINNNNGGGGG Predictions! i) The NST will be raised from 3% to 5% by 1996. Ooops. They ALREADY DID it. Okay, then. The NST will be raised from 5% to 7% by 1996. ii) Unemployment will rise! iii) Tax revenues will decline. Deficit will increase! We'll get another DEFICIT REDUCTION PACKAGE by 1997! Everyone will DANCE AND SING! Yup. I'm gonna bail out of here at 1 PM, amble on down to the lake. Hang out. Sit in the sun and take it EASY! :) Yeah! I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". To paraphrase Hilary Clinton - "" I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for my programs "" To paraphrase Bill Clinton - "" I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for my programs "" " 7583,15,"From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Cell Church discussion group Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 15 I am beginning an e-mail discussion group about cell churches. If you are a follower of Jesus Christ and are - in a cell church, or - in a church that is transitioning to a cell church, or - just interested in learning more about cell churches, send me e-mail. (I reserve the right to remove anybody from the group who does not demonstrate a spirit of humility and Christlikeness.) -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ****************************************************************** " 7584,16,"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 34 |in L.A., the first recorded survivor of a .357 shot to the heart. That |lady not only killed her attacker, but chased him down to do it! All |four of her shots, fired after SHE had been shot, struck the perp. Atta |girl! The bullet entered her on a downward angle, went through the apex |of her heart, down through the diaphragm, clipped her liver and |destroyed her spleen. It then exited her back leaving a tennis ball |sized hole. She died about six times on the operating table, but was |out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight |months! She was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest. She was |on her way home so happened to have her gun. No, she doesn't think |civilians should have the same rights. Sigh. Well, if police think they are so special that only _THEY_ are worthy of self-defense, perhaps we start putting the arm on police; maybe we should start demanding that police are only police when ON-DUTY, that after that they are just like the ordinary disarmed helpless chumps they consider ""civilians."" Let's prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make the assertion that ""Well, I need to maintain my gun"" let's make it regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it's only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home from his computer operator job... NRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of 'What if what's left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament of the police?"" Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed, along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine. " 7585,3,"From: darrylo@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata) Subject: Re: Problem with Adaptec 1542B SCSI and Jumbo Tape Drive Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Center for Primal Scream Therapy X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 560 Ron Mastus (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU) wrote: > I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B, > and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive. Here's a document that I wrote some time back. It's slightly out-of-date, now that DOS 6 has been released, but much of it is still useful. -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the little green men that have been following him all day. =============================================================================== $Id: adaptec.txt 1.8 1993/01/25 00:55:08 darrylo Rel darrylo $ Hints and Tips for the Adaptec 1540/1542 SCSI adapter This document contains hints and tips for getting the Adaptec 1540/1542 SCSI adapter to work with various hardware and software packages. They are based upon my experiences with an Adaptec 1542A controller, and will, hopefully, help others. However, note that I cannot guarantee that the following will really help you (it works for me), and the information in this document could possibly cause you to lose some or all of your files on your hard disk. IMPORTANT! BACK UP THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF YOUR HARD DISK BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING BASED UPON INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT. Copyright 1993, by Darryl Okahata. This document may be freely copied for personal use only, and may not be reprinted in a for-profit publication without the consent of the author. Please note that I have no connection with Adaptec other than as a customer. Topics covered in this document: * Windows 3.1 enhanced mode * Floppy-controller-based tape backup devices * Sound cards * Miscellaneous info Please note that parts of this document contain technical, and sometimes terse, descriptions of problems. For reference: Adaptec technical support: (800) 959-7274 Adaptec BBS (2400/9600): (408) 945-7727 Please send comments, corrections, etc. via email to me: CompuServe: 75206,3074 Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com ***** Windows 3.1 enhanced mode: The Windows 3.1 install program should automatically configure DOS and Windows for use with the Adaptec 1542. However, just in case something went wrong, I'm going to describe some of the changes needed to get Windows 3.1 working with the 1542. Also, you may have noticed that installing Windows 3.1 makes your PC run much slower, even when you're not running Windows; methods of speeding it up are discussed in the section called, ""Windows 3.1 runs slowly"". * MSDOS configuration: The Windows install program adds the SmartDrive disk cache to your CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files. If you follow the instructions, you'll notice that you'll need to use double-buffering with SmartDrive (this is the default setup). You'll also notice that your system runs much, much slower -- in both Windows *AND* MSDOS. See the section called, ""Windows 3.1 runs slowly"", for some ways of speeding your system up. * Windows configuration: To get the Adaptec 1542 to work with Windows, make sure that the ""[388Enh]"" section of the SYSTEM.INI file contains the entry: VirtualHDIRQ=Off I believe that the Windows install program automatically adds this entry to SYSTEM.INI, but I'm not sure. If this doesn't work for you, you might want to try adding some more lines: VirtualHDIRQ=Off SystemROMBreakPoint=false EMMExclude=A000-CFFF (You probably don't need the above lines, though.) The ""SystemROMBreakPoint"" entry is used to enable support for memory managers like QEMM/386MAX (only needed if you use such programs). * Windows 3.1 runs slowly: Once you do get Windows 3.1 running with the 1542, chances are that your system is running much slower than before. If it's not, it's probably because: 1. You happen to be using ASPI4DOS.SYS version 3.1 in your CONFIG.SYS file. Congratulations -- this appears to be a winning solution. 2. You are very lucky. Whether your luck will hold out remains to be seen .... If your system is running much slower than before, this is almost definitely caused by Smartdrive with double-buffering. According to the Windows documentation, and the Microsoft technical note #Q81808 (""SMARTDrive Double Buffering Required with ASPI4DOS.SYS""), you must use Smartdrive with double-buffering enabled. While this works, it really slows down your PC; I once estimated that this slowed my PC down by a factor of 5 (FIVE). As I consider this unacceptable, I looked for other solutions. Unfortunately, you cannot just disable double-buffering. If you do, Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode will not work, and you might even destroy the contents of your hard disk by trying to run Windows 3.1. What you can do is one of the following: 1. Use other drivers that provide double-buffering. It is my opinion that the unbelievable slowness in Smartdrive is caused either by horribly inefficient double-buffering, or by a bug in Smartdrive. 2. Use a driver that provides ""VDS"" services (""VDS"" stands for ""Virtual DMA Services""). This is a standard, which is supported by Windows 3.1, that allows bus-mastering disk controllers (like the 1542) to work with Windows. After trashing my hard disk countless times, I found the following solutions, none of which require using Smartdrive (note, however, that I am now getting occasional parity errors, which are probably *NOT* caused by these solutions, but might be -- see below). While the following does not require Smartdrive, using some kind of disk cache utility is strongly recommended, as this makes Windows run much, much faster: 1. If you do not have the ASPI4DOS.SYS driver, or you do not need ASPI functions (for controlling a CDROM, tape drive, more than two physical hard disks, etc.), you can add the SCSIHA.SYS driver to your CONFIG.SYS file, e.g.: DRIVER=c:\SCSIHA.SYS /V386 (Windows needs the ""/V386"" option.) This driver MUST be loaded into LOW memory (it cannot be loaded into high memory), and it occupies about 16-20K. As of November 1992, the SCSIHA.SYS driver could be obtained from the Adaptec BBS at (408)-945-7727 (hopefully, it's still there). 2. If you need ASPI functions and have the ASPI4DOS.SYS driver, version 3.0 or 3.0a, you can use both the ASPI4DOS.SYS and SCSIHA.SYS drivers in your CONFIG.SYS file, e.g.: DRIVER=c:\ASPI4DOS.SYS DRIVER=c:\SCSIHA.SYS /V386 Amazingly enough, the SCSIHA.SYS driver can also be loaded high (assuming you have DOS 5.0); I would have thought that this would crash my system, but it doesn't. I asked Adaptec's technical support about this, and they said that loading SCSIHA.SYS high should be fine as long as ASPI4DOS.SYS is loaded LOW. On my system, NOT using SCSIHA.SYS with ASPI4DOS 3.0a would occasionally cause Windows 3.1 to crash upon restarting or exiting Windows, with the additional result of a corrupted disk (some of my C:\WINDOWS\*.GRP files would be corrupted). For me, these crashes usually occurred while making a different program from PROGMAN.EXE the default Windows shell, and vice-versa. This is the reason SCSIHA.SYS may be necessary. I have absolutely no idea if SCSIHA.SYS is necessary with versions of ASPI4DOS earlier than 3.0. Note that many people can use ASPI4DOS 3.0 or 3.0a without SCSIHA.SYS; they do not seem to have any problems at all. I consider these people lucky. Others, like me, have had all sorts of problems. 3. In my opinion, the best, but not necessarily the easiest, solution is to upgrade to ASPI4DOS 3.1. The SCSIHA.SYS driver is no longer needed. Unfortunately, while you could get previous ASPI4DOS upgrades from the Adaptec BBS, the ASPI4DOS 3.1 driver is not available from the Adaptec BBS. As far as I know, there are only three ways to get a copy: * You can buy the new (as of November 1992) Adaptec EZ SCSI driver kit, which supposedly includes ASPI4DOS 3.1 as well as other drivers, such as CDROM drivers. I believe the list price is around $75. * If you already have a copy of an older version of ASPI4DOS, you can supposedly contact Adaptec to upgrade it to EZ SCSI for around $30. * A copy of ASPI4DOS 3.1 is included in Central Point PC Tools 8.0 for MSDOS. Note that the documentation and driver are stored in different directories. Note further that only ASPI4DOS is included; the CDROM drivers and drivers to support more than two hard disks are not included. This is where I obtained my copy of ASPI4DOS 3.1. Note, however, that I am now getting occasional parity errors with Windows. In all probability, defective hardware in my PC is causing this, as I upgraded my motherboard just after I found the above solutions. However, because these parity errors occur only during disk accesses, there is a very small, but definite, possibility that the parity errors are driver-related (for example, changing the bus on/off timing for certain disk transfers might cause this). I've run various memory tests for hours at a time, and these tests have found no problems. This problem is probably caused by memory with marginal timing requirements, which cause parity errors during disk transfers (this is why the memory tests didn't find any problems -- the problems show up only under disk I/O). However, I'm mentioning this just in case it isn't a hardware problem. ***** Floppy-controller-based tape backup devices: There are two possible problems with using the Adaptec 1542 with a floppy-controller-based tape backup device, such as the Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250: 1. Tape backups/restores can take a very long time. The tape drive constantly starts, stops, starts, stops, etc. 2. Tape operations may be erratic, or encounter too many tape errors. (This problem might be caused by defective hardware on my 1542. However, I've heard of other people having similar problems, and so I'm mentioning this just in case it is not a hardware problem on my 1542.) * Tape backups/restores take a long time: If you have a floppy-controller-based tape backup device, you may have to adjust the Adaptec 1540/1542 ""bus on/off timing"" for best results when using the tape drive. Normally, while doing a tape backup or restore, the tape drive motor should be continuously running, with only an occasional pause. However, the default bus timing on the Adaptec 1540/1542 may cause the tape drive motor to start and stop, start and stop, every few seconds. This causes needless wear to the tape and tape drive (however, note that a dirty tape head or a defective tape drive can also cause this -- make sure your tape heads are clean). This also causes the tape backup or restore to take much, much longer than necessary. The problem here is that these tape backups use the floppy DMA to transfer data in memory to/from the tape drive, and the Adaptec uses DMA to transfer data in memory to/from the hard disk. The floppy DMA needs to feed data to the tape drive at a certain rate; if the tape drive is not fed data quickly enough by the floppy DMA, the tape drive stops, rewinds a bit, and restarts (once enough data is eventually fed to it). The default bus timing on the Adaptec (which is really DMA timing) is ""too large"". For example, when a backup is done, data has to be transferred from a hard disk to memory, and then from memory to the tape. Because the default timing on the Adaptec ""hogs"" the memory too much (too much time is spent transferring data from a hard disk to memory), not enough time is spent transferring data from memory to the tape drive. As a result, the tape drive constantly starts and stops, because data is not fed to it quickly enough. The solution is to change the Adaptec's bus on/off timing. The default factory setting is 11 microseconds on, and 5 microseconds off. The ""bus on"" timing needs to be lowered to 2-4 microseconds. This can be done in one of two ways: * If you have ASPI4DOS, you can use the ""/n"" option. For example, I use a ""bus on"" timing of 4 microseconds, which means that I use the following line in my CONFIG.SYS file: DEVICE=c:\aspi4dos.sys /n4 Note that there is NO space between the ""/n"" and the ""4"". * If you don't have ASPI4DOS, your only recourse is to try to find a program called ""SETSCSI.EXE"", which is very difficult to find. The reason is that Adaptec, for reasons of their own, does not seem to want this widely distributed. I once asked someone who worked for Adaptec, and they asked me to not upload it anywhere. If you have anonymous ftp access to the Internet, you could try using archie to hunt down a copy; I believe that there are a couple of sites that have it. If you do find a copy, you run it like so: setscsi -n:4 This adjusts the ""bus on"" timing to 4 microseconds. Running SETSCSI.EXE without any arguments resets the bus timing back to the factory defaults. Note that it seems that you cannot use SETSCSI.EXE if you use ASPI4DOS; SETSCSI.EXE crashed my system if ASPI4DOS was loaded. I could use SETSCSI.EXE with SCSIHA.SYS, however. Do not lower the ""bus on"" timing below 2 microseconds, or increase it above 11 microseconds. If you lower it too low, the hard disk throughput will suddenly drop; your system will feel slower. For me, 4 microseconds works fine. This value may work fine for you, or you may have to adjust it downwards a little. Once you've lowered the ""bus on"" timing, tape backups and restores should run faster. Also, do not experiment with the bus on/off times (with the other options that I have intentionally not described), unless you know what you are doing. Bad combinations can cause parity errors and worse, by starving memory refresh. A program called BUSTIFIX.EXE exists on the Adaptec BBS. Unless this has been upgraded since I last checked (which has been a while), this is a self-extracting archive containing a batch file and a couple of other files. This batch file was supposed to allow one to set the bus on/off times for the 1540/1542 and others. However, when I tried running this program with my 1542A, my system crashed. At the time, I was running SCSIHA.SYS, and I didn't check to see if there was a conflict with it. Maybe this old program works only with the 1542B, although the docs say that it works with the 1542A? * Erratic tape operations or too many tape errors: This ""problem"" may or may not exist. Although it existed on my system, a hardware problem just on my particular 1542 could cause it. However, I've heard of other people having similar problems, and so I'm mentioning this just in case it isn't a hardware problem just on my 1542. Symptoms of this ""problem"", which persists even after cleaning the tape head: 1. Backing up to tape encounters ""unusable sector detected"" errors, resulting in an aborted tape backup. 2. Tape backup works, but the tape compare fails. 3. The tape drive starts, stops, starts, stops, etc. much too often. Unlike the above-mentioned problem (""Tape backups/restores take a long time""), where the tape drive starts and stops every few seconds, this kind of starting/stopping occurs every few 10-20 seconds or so. 4. Fastback Plus 3.1 does not find/see any tape backup devices. Other programs, like Central Point Backup and the CMS Jumbo software (assuming that you have a CMS Jumbo 250 tape drive) can find/see the tape drive, but Fastback Plus 3.1 cannot. 5. Too many tape read errors. Although I do not know what is causing this problem, I discovered that using a different floppy controller solves it. A few months ago, I upgraded my motherboard, which contained an integrated floppy controller. As I already had a floppy controller on the 1542, I initially disabled the motherboard floppy controller. After a while, I decided to try disabling the 1542 floppy controller and using the one on the motherboard. When I did this, the tape drive (a CMS Jumbo 250) reliability increased dramatically, and Fastback Plus 3.1 was suddenly able to find and use the tape drive. I don't know if this was caused by a hardware problem on my 1542. On the one hand, the floppy drives worked great when they were attached to the 1542, which seems to say that there was nothing wrong with the 1542. On the other hand, the tape drive didn't work well attached to the 1542 floppy controller, but it did work when attached to a different controller; this could be an indication of a hardware problem on my 1542. I did change floppy drive cables, and so it is conceivable that the problem was in the cables. I don't know what the cause really is; however, if you're having similar problems, you might want to consider trying a new floppy controller. ***** Sound cards: Many popular sound cards can play or record digitized sound, and this is typically done using DMA. Like the tape drive DMA, the Adaptec's DMA can conflict with the sound card DMA. Unlike that of the tape DMA, this ""conflict"" usually manifests itself as a parity error (your system crashes with a parity error message). What happens is that, data is being transferred so quickly by the sound card and the Adaptec, memory refresh cannot occur quickly enough, which causes a parity error. Usually, getting a parity error means that there is a hardware problem with your system; in this case, however, the parity error is not a symptom of bad hardware. I've found that such parity errors typically occur while recording digitized sound, and the chances of such errors increase as you increase the recording fidelity (e.g., higher sampling rate, recording in stereo, recording using 16-bits instead of 8, etc.). Like the tape drive solution, the solution here is to lower the Adaptec's ""bus on"" timing. See the section on tape drives for information on how this is done. Note, however, that this may or may not solve the problem; it may only reduce the probability of a parity error. The software used to record digitized sound can greatly affect this problem (i.e., some software is inefficient). Disk caches, the speed of your hard disk, and the amount of disk fragmentation can also affect this. ***** Miscellaneous info: This section contains miscellaneous hints, tips, and rumors. Much of it is merely information that I've heard or read about, and have not verified. I believe that the following information is correct, but I'm not sure. Use it at your own risk. * With QEMM 6.00, 6.01, and 6.02, you need to specify the ""DB="" parameter (e.g., ""DB=2""), unless you are using the ASPI4DOS driver. If you don't, QEMM will crash/hang at bootup. Although the QEMM manual mentions this, the install program does not seem to detect that a 1542 is present and automatically add this option to the QEMM command line (at least, this occurred with the QEMM 6.00 install program -- I haven't tested any other version). Earlier versions of QEMM probably need this parameter, but I'm not sure (I've never used a version earlier than 6.00). If you use ASPI4DOS, you do not need to give QEMM the ""DB="" parameter. * Some or all versions of the 1542 do not support hard disks over one gigabyte in size. To support hard disks with capacities over 1GB, you need to get a new ROM BIOS from Adaptec. I'm not sure if this is still true of the latest 1542Bs being sold by Adaptec. * To connect a CDROM drive to the 1542, you need a SCSI CDROM drive and some drivers. Note that some CDROM drives have proprietary interfaces (non-SCSI); these drives cannot be used with the 1542. You have three choices for CDROM drivers (I have no idea how well the following solutions work, or even if they work -- the following is secondhand information): 1. You can buy Adaptec's EZ SCSI driver package, which lists for something like $75. If you already have older Adaptec drivers, you can supposedly upgrade to EZ SCSI for around $30. Contact Adaptec for details. The EZ SCSI package supposedly contains everything that you need. 2. You can buy the CorelSCSI! driver package, which is made by the same people that make CorelDRAW! This package contains CDROM drivers, SCSI tape drivers, WORM drivers, etc. I do not know the list price, but I've seen this package sold for around $80-$90. Note that CorelSCSI! does not come with the ASPI4DOS driver, which is needed. If you do not already have ASPI4DOS, you may be better off getting Adaptec's EZ SCSI instead. 3. [This method is obsolete, as the following drivers have been obsoleted by Adaptec's EZ SCSI kit, but I'm mentioning it in case someone already has these drivers.] You can use the drivers in the Adaptec ASW-1410 kit (ASPI4DOS) and the ASW-410 kit (ASPI CDROM drivers). You will have to get a copy of MSCDEX.EXE (a high-level CDROM driver), if it is not included in the ASW-410 kit, but this is available from several bulletin boards. * To use a SCSI tape drive with the 1542, you need software that knows how to talk to a SCSI tape drive. Software that I've heard about are (again, like the above section on CDROM drives, I have no idea how well the following solutions work, or even if they work -- the following is secondhand information): 1. Central Point PC Tools 8.0 for MSDOS supposedly supports a large number of SCSI tape drives. It comes with SCSI drivers (ASPI4DOS 3.1) as well as Central Point Backup. 2. The CorelSCSI! driver package contains a SCSI tape backup program (see the above section on CDROM drives for more details). However, note that CorelSCSI! does not come with, but requires, ASPI4DOS. * I've seen advertisements that sell the 1542 in three configurations: 1. 1542 SCSI controller with hard disk ROM BIOS. 2. 1542 SCSI controller w/BIOS and Adaptec ASPI drivers. 3. 1542 SCSI controller w/BIOS, Adaptec ASPI drivers, and CorelSCSI! drivers/programs. I imagine that Adaptec now sells the 1542 in a fourth configuration: 4. 1542 SCSI controller w/BIOS and EZ SCSI drivers (including ASPI drivers). * Those people who use Unix might be interested in a version of GNU tar for MSDOS that talks to a SCSI tape drive via the ASPI4DOS driver (you need this driver before you can use this program). I've never used this version of GNU tar, but I've heard that it works (I don't know how well, though). If you have anonymous ftp access to the Internet, a copy can be found on wsmr-simtel20.army.mil and mirror sites: PD1: ASPIBIN.ZIP 67841 920131 Gnu Tar for SCSI tape drives, Adaptec 154xx ASPIPAT.ZIP 21206 920131 Patches for ASPIBIN relative to Gnu Tar 1.10 ASPISRC.ZIP 221370 920131 Src for Gnu Tar for SCSI tape, Adaptec ctrlr I have no idea if a copy can be found on Compuserve; UNIXFORUM might have it, if any forum does. * As far as MSDOS is concerned, the 1542A and the 1542B controllers are the same; with MSDOS, the 1542A should work as well as the 1542B. However, the hardware for these two boards is not 100% identical, and there is at least one (NON-MSDOS) program that initially did not work with a 1542A, but did work with a 1542B (BSD386 -- a 386 version of BSD Unix). * In case anyone's curious, here's an edited copy of my CONFIG.SYS file: FILES=40 BUFFERS=40 BREAK=ON STACKS=10,256 DEVICE=c:\sys\dev\aspi4dos.sys /d /n4 DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS on RAM ROM DMA=32 ST:M X=F800-FFFF DOS=HIGH,UMB DEVICEHIGH=c:\sys\dev\nnansi.sys DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE shell = c:\dos\command.com /p Note that I'm using QEMM and ASPI4DOS 3.1. If I were using ASPI4DOS 3.0 or 3.0a, I'd probably have to use a CONFIG.SYS that looked like: FILES=40 BUFFERS=40 BREAK=ON STACKS=10,256 DEVICE=c:\sys\dev\aspi4dos.sys /d /n4 DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS on RAM ROM DMA=32 ST:M X=F800-FFFF DOS=HIGH,UMB DEVICEHIGH=c:\sys\dev\scsiha.sys /V386 DEVICEHIGH=c:\sys\dev\nnansi.sys DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE shell = c:\dos\command.com /p If I weren't using ASPI4DOS, I'd probably use something that looked like: FILES=40 BUFFERS=40 BREAK=ON STACKS=10,256 DEVICE=c:\sys\dev\scsiha.sys /V386 DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS on RAM ROM DB=32 DMA=32 ST:M X=F800-FFFF DOS=HIGH,UMB DEVICEHIGH=c:\sys\dev\nnansi.sys DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE shell = c:\dos\command.com /p However, if I used a floppy-controller-based tape drive, or if I planned to record high-quality sound from a sound card, I would still need some way of changing the Adaptec's bus on/off times. The first two versions of CONFIG.SYS take care of this, but this last version doesn't. Local Variables: fill-column: 72 eval: (auto-fill-mode nil) End: " 7586,3,From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: What is a Shadow Mask Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Andrew BW Colfelt (colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote: : : : Shadow mask is when you put your face into : main memory. : Keep your day job. 7587,14,"From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") Subject: The Area Rule X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 12 I read it refered to as the ""parabolic cross-section"" rule; the idea was that if you plot the area of the fuselage cross- section as a function of the point fore-and-aft along the fuselage, a plot that is a **paraboloid** minimizes somethin' or 'nother (to be technical about it). -- * Fred Baube (tm) * In times of intellectual ferment, * baube@optiplan.fi * advantage to him with the intellect * #include * most fermented * May '68, Paris: It's Retrospective Time !! " 7588,11,"From: arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 94 In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > >> The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption >> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, >> we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have >> effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every Does anyone know what countries are these? >> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an >> unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a >> false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is >> an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, >> and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, >> balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper >> Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. > >The clear middle ground implied by these statements is to say that Americans >have the right to Clipper encryption, but not to unbreakable encryption. >This implies that, ultimately, non-Clipper strong encryption must become >illegal. With the following logical consequences (a) Using any code designed to obscure informatio which is not easily breakable will be illegal, including (i) Using code words such as ``Project P5'' (ii) Speaking a language other than English (iii) Ever refering implicitly to events not known to everyone, eg ""Hi John. How was last night?"" For all the listener knows, this may be a code for ""Did you pick up the drugs OK last night?"" of be a code for ""OK. We blow up the Pentagon at midnight."" (iv) Mentioning anything that could not be perfectly understood by an average person with no education. (v) Words with more than one syllable. (vi) Speaking with a heavy accent that could bemisunderstood by people not used to it. (vii) books with an ""Inner meaning""...such as ""Animal Farm"". >(As an aside, isn't the language here jarring? All this talk about >""harmonious balance"" when they're talking about taking away people's >right to communications privacy?) Yes. >It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals >are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine >that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs >for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted >voice communications, will be distributed only through the >""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that >they are protecting their privacy. I have a wonderful encrypter you can borrow that converts a message eg ""Meet me at 11:30 to bomb the White House. Bring some dynamite"" to an apparently (relatively) innoculous message. This message here is an example of the output for the above message :-). >It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. It is shockiong that it could happen anywhere. It is shocking that it could happen in a country that has the arrogance to call itself free. What you can do: (1) Write to your congress person in plain text. (2) Write to your congress person in encrypted text. (decrypter optional) (3) Send some random keystroked to your congressperson (4) Send some random keystrokes accross the US boundaries, and keep the spooks busy trying to decode it. (5) Write your own encryption algorithms. (6) Don't buy clipper products. P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. Disclaimer: My opinions are mine alone, and do not represent anyone elses. I have nothing that I particularly want to hide at the moment...though I consider the right to be able to use whatever method of coding data I like to be high on my list of priorities. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Conway arc@leland.stanford.edu Phone: USA 415 497 1094 " 7589,18,"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 42 muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: >Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would >be inclined to risk any extra exposure on. As a libertarian (with a small l) who voted for Clinton, I think that he should abolish the Selective Service and the draft. If his conscience forbade him to go to war in Vietnam, it should forbid him to perpetuate this system of government-sanctioned slavery. >Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf. >The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there >is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing >the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail >getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class. >Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get >Seawolf subs whether we need them or not. If our government would pay attention to SERIOUS domestic issues (the ECONOMY) and choose to stay out of other people's wars (Iraq, Bosnia, Somalia), we would not be in this fix. An anyway, couldn't the jobs be replaced by improving our domestic situation? (I'm not for continued deficit spending, but if Clinton and Congress want to spend, I'd rather they improve the infrastructure than fight other people's wars.) >In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station >and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being >required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships. >The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down >a pork happy Congress. A novel idea: Getting away from naval bases, what about refurbishing decommissioned Air Force bases as airports? This would be SO much cheaper than building them from the ground up (Denver's new airport is one of the most appalling examples of pork-barreling and cronyism I have seen in my lifetime). Even if no more airports are needed, I'm sure Bill Gates or Ross Perot would LOVE to have their own private airfields, and the money from their purchases could be applied to the public debt. >Jon Dunn< * All E-mail flames will be deleted without reading * " 7590,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 14 In <1993Apr5.191011.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way?? >Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to >much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?). You missed something. I think it takes off vertically and is intended to land the same way. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 7591,2,"From: caldwell@brahms.udel.edu (David L Caldwell) Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 19 >I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I >would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use >one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage >of Borland's ""$129.95 until April 30"" offer if this package >is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was >wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions? > >-- Tom Belmonte I've been using MS Access (still available from some stores for $99.00) and I am quite pleased with it. It's relatively easy to learn, very easy to use and somewhat easy to program. I highly recomend it, particularly at $99.00! I have not used Paradox for Windows, but I don't expect it to be $30.00 better than Access (IMHO). --Dave " 7592,8,"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 42 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr15.153312.4125@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>, [...] >>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less >>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company >>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the >>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just >>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check >>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage). > > The word is ""subrogation."" Seems to me, if you're willing to wait >for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the >deductible. However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may >have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large- >fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers. > > Sad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers. > >Later, >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady [...] You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop. Sigh. Another naive illusion down the toilet.... ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" " 7593,3,"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: HELP: my pc freezes! X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 15 Perry Egelmeers (perry@wswiop11.win.tue.nl) wrote: > ladanyi@cs.cornell.edu (La'szlo' Lada'nyi) writes: > >Problem: Occasionaly the machine freezes. At least that's what I thought, but > >recently I discovered that the machine works, just the keyboard freezes and > >the clock drops down from turbo (33Mhz) to standard (16Mhz) mode. > Perhaps you hit the ^S (Control S)? Try ^Q. > I know it doesn't explain the clock rate drop... We had the same problem in our company. We changed the keyboard-bios and after that, everything went fine. Our dealer told us that some boards of that series have a defect kbd-bios. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * " 7594,2,"Subject: Postscript File Viewer? From: bmartin@bbs.ug.eds.com Organization: EDS CANADA Nntp-Posting-Host: bbs Nntp-Posting-User: bmartin Lines: 7 A co-worker of mine needs to convert a postscript file to a form readable (ie ascii) in windows or DOS. Does anybody know of a utility that will do this? I have a vague memory of a shareware utility someone mentioned once... Thanks for any info, Barry. " 7595,3,"From: winfrvk@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (R.v.Kampen) Subject: Re: FD controller question Organization: Delft University of Technology Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr11.045019.22221@nwnexus.WA.COM> paulf@halcyon.com (Marlboro Man) writes: >I am looking for a way to access the floppy drive at the I/O level, that >is, lower than the BIOS. Given the port assignments, what controller >chip/spec sheet do I need info on? My floppy is a 1.44M, and I would >also like to be able to write code that works on 360K disks as well. >Also, with the method of access, is it possible to actually read the >individual bytes on the track as they stream into the controller? I'm >afraid the sector handling is done purely through hardware. > >If on the off chance I can get this basic on the access, anything to >point me in the right direction would help a lot. > there is a file out there (look for it with archie) that is called 'theref22.zip' which has lots of info on various PC things, amongst which is also a detailed description of all Floppy controller commands, I think hard drive controller commands are not there. it is possible to read an entire track including all gaps, sector headers etc. by setting sector size to something very large (like 8K). willem " 7596,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 51 In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) >writes: >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed. >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. >> > >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. Unworthy of comment. >Humans died >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the >actions >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them. Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. That is undeniable truth. My heart bleeds just as much as yours for the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. >You seem to say >they got what they deserved. I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they wanted and put into motion themselves. I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair from the start. >Jim >-- >jmd@handheld.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought >that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 >""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed >in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" >WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 -- " 7597,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 79 (Steve Tomassi) writes: > Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? >I >mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, >as >is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell >Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in >Eddie >Murray and Jeff Reardon. Unfortunately, you seem to lack the ability to rate players. Dave Winfield has had a better career than half the people in the Hall of Fame. Eddie Murray and Darrel Evans are both one of the top 100 players of all time. Lee Smith has had probably the greatest long career of any relief pitcher since 1960, with the possible exception of Gossage. On the other hand, Kingman probably isn't one of the best 750 players of all time. And Reardon, though a good pitcher, isn't in Smith's class career wise. > Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody >giving >Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, >marginal. >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. We're talking 2 of the top 50 players of all time here. There probably aren't 5 shortstops in history who were better than these two. > Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors >so >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if >something >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Garvey sucked. Morris, while a very good pitcher, simply doesn't belong near Cooperstown. Gee, can these guys even compare to >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? If Puckett and Ryan (okay, no if there) get into to the Hall, they will be marginal Hall of Famers (unless Puckett keeps hitting like he did last year for a while longer) To put this in perspective, here's a listing of the linear weights values of the careers of the players you mention. In parenthesis is how high they are up on the greatest ever list if they make it. While no one would claim these are perfect rankings, they should give you a good value of these guys' careers as compared to average players. Robin Yount 43.0 (41) Ozzie Smith 42.1 (45) Dave Winfield 40.3 (53) Eddie Murray 37.5 (68) Darrel Evans 35.2 (80) Kirby Puckett 24.3 (180) Nolan Ryan 21.6 (219) Jack Morris 11.8 (478) Dave Kingman 0.4 Steve Garvey -5.8 To give you an idea of how these numbers compare to those in the Hall: Of the 71 eligible players whose career stats equaled 35.0, 64 are in the Hall of Fame. The ones who aren't include 4 19th century players, Ron Santo, Bobby Grich, and Bob Johnson. Of those eligible who score between 30.0 and 34.9, 15 of 25 are in. Of those eligible who score between 25.0 and 29.9, 24 of 44 are in. Greg " 7598,10,"From: mtjensen@nbivax.nbi.dk Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Reply-To: mtjensen Organization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen Lines: 56 In article , smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > > I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest > surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just > my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an > opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway.... > > MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and > in terms of leadership (""can't win without him"") > > Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player > that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even > if that new level doesn't necessarily warrant an allstar berth > (includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not > even have been in the team's plans). > > Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I > picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on > offence brought by Demers, shouldn't Savard have done better?) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Team Biggest Biggest > Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley > Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?) > Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit > Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet > Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov > Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby > Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau > Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey > Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten > Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard > New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean > New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois > New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque > Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek > Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund > Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr > Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson > San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley > St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter > Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper > Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson > Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso > Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik > Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I > would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other > words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!) > > Bryan " 7599,6,"From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales) Subject: Nitendo game wanted Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US Lines: 24 Hi, I am one those uncles that try to please my nephews whenever possible, so.. they have asked me to find them some Nitendo games, no, it is not for the super nitendo.. it is for whatever model came prior to that. Since they are overseas, I will first ask them if they already have the games you would have to offer me. Please send me a list, or whatever and the price you are asking so I can send to my nephews and find out what they have and what they want.. so bare with me, I will respond, but it will take me a while. Thanks, Walter walter@psg.com Please respond directly. -- ______________________________________________________________________ / Portland, Oregon USA \ | WALTER T. MORALES 45 31 25 N 122 40 30 W | | internet: walter@rain.com Pop. 366383 | " 7600,8,"From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: Chain Lube (was: Re: RM consensus on chain cleaning.) Summary: Application details Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr5.223054.27874 Organization: AT&T Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr3.044405.16947@elektro.cmhnet.org>, charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes: > In article <1993Mar24.011823.7887@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: > >Anyone try the spray on chain wax that was reviewed in one of the moto > >rags last month? > > > Yeah. I sprayed it all over my rear drive shaft housing, and it didn't > seem to make it any quieter at all Didn't you read the instructions first?? You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you. That's why it's called ""Chain *Wax*"". Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com car377@cbnewsj.att.com " 7601,16,"From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) Organization: IBM Kingston NY Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 27 holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: |> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. |> Would those work very well in stopping an attack? |> |> Doug Holland Any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially lethal. Even blanks [which have no projectile] can cause death if the muzzle is in close proximity to the victim. I have heard of rubber or plastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations [where the intent is crowd control, rather than close range self defense]; i've also seen reports of deaths caused by them [the British in Northern Ireland]. Use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the gravest of situations; at that point, i consider deadly [lethal] force to be a proper reaction [and so does the law]. Furthermore, use of less effective [but still potentially lethal] force has its own set of problems. It may well take more applications of the less effective force to stop the incident; this places all parties at some risk; the victim because the attack has not stopped, and the assailent since the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be more deadly. -- Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com .. (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. " 7602,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: Tektronix Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 14 In article <930424212154.1000227@tgv.com> mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes: ># I remember seeing something in the X distribution mentioning support ># for a Tektronix terminal in an X server. Is this accurate? >Xterm supports 401x emulation. What I was talking about was using an Tek terminal as your X display. I should be possible to write an X server that does this as far as I can tell, but what I'm asking is if there is already one. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 7603,7,"From: shou@logos.asd.sgi.com (Tom Shou) Subject: Ford Explorer 4WD - do I need performance axle? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: logos.asd.sgi.com We're considering getting a Ford Explorer XLT with 4WD and we have the following questions (All we would do is go skiing -- no off-roading): 1. With 4WD, do we need the ""performance axle"" - (limited slip axle). Its purpose is to allow the tires to act independently when the tires are on different terrain. 2. Do we need the all-terrain tires (P235/75X15) or will the all-season (P225/70X15) be good enough for us at Lake Tahoe? Thanks, Tom -- =========================================================================== Tom Shou Silicon Graphics shou@asd.sgi.com 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd. 415-390-5362 MS 8U-815 415-962-0494 (fax) Mountain View, CA 94043 =========================================================================== " 7604,6,"From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson) Subject: Brand new H.P. toner for sale, cheap! Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 30 For Sale...: **BRAND NEW** Hewlett Packard toner cartridge model number HP 92295A. o I am selling this toner because I recently bought a Brother HL-10V printer and the toner that I am selling. I activated the toner, but ended up returning the printer. The store, however would not take back the toner. This toner has been used to print only three pages and is in perfect condition. I will protect it for shipment so that no toner escapes. It comes with all original packaging and manuals. The toner is compatible with ANY laser printer that uses the model number of the toner I am selling; just look in your manual to see if it will work for you. I will not go below $60.00. I will pay the shipping to anywhere in the continental United States. If you are interested, leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime. Thank you! " 7605,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 142 In article lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: [ -and many others mailed me. Here is a reply to one of the letters. Seems to me that atheist do not like the doctrine of hell!] >There's nothing like a preacher to put fear into an > ignorant man... >If God hadn't created Hell in the first place, there'd be no > no need to ""die"" and save us. Isn't it also a bit paradoxical > to say ""God died"" when, in fact, no such thing is remotely > possible. Can the infinite die? Your using 20th century concepts to interprete 1st century writers. Of course, in your termonology, God could not ""cease to exist."" However, that is not what death ever means in the Scriptures. If you will study the word, you will see that it signifies ""separation."" Death is separation, not ceastation. This is the reason for the agony of the cross. For the first time in eternity, one member of the Godhead was separated from the other two. I once met a young lady that was as beautiful as any model that ever lived. She was as personable as any saint ever imagined. She was to become my ""girlfriend"" for several years. However, having been drafted, we were separated by distance. To me that was a form of death. Later, she decided that she couldn't wait for me to come home and bid me adue. That to me was death. It was separation from that which had made me whole. Death is separation and eternal death is eternal separation from His fellowship, not because He chose to send you into outer darkness, but because you chose to go there. >> did you know that Jesus talked more >> about hell than He did about heaven! >Thank you for this info. What respect I had for the man now > has been diminished tenfold. I promise never again to > say how wise or loving this man was... When I rebelled against my earthly father, he spanked me. I found no wisdom in that until I had grown older and especially until I had my own children. He was trying to guide me away from hurt that would enter my life if I continued on my suicidal course. He did it in love though I interpreted it as harsh and unloving. If God warns of impending danger, that is love. If choose to let us do as we please, and then at the end tell us the rules, that would be harsh. You have a conscience, no matter how calused or fallen it is, that witnesses to you that a thing is wrong and that there is cause for fear. >Being Jesus was allegedly God, I doubt he could honestly feel > the pinpricks man dealt him... This may give light to the error of your understanding. One must have correct knowledge in order to have correct faith. Faith and knowledge are inseparable. Jesus most certainly felt the ""pinpricks"" of life. As the Scripture say: Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. The kenosis passage of Phil 2 states that He gave up His Godhead attributes when He took upon Himself humanity. It has been a favorite meditation of mine to think about this. It was to be my PhD thesis. ""The Consciousness of Christ."" I have talked at length with a great many people about this interesting study, including clh. It is my conclussion that as Jesus, the 2nd member of the Trinity, actually suffered as we do. He became part of the human race and experienced it as we do. He ""grew in knowledge."" He chose not to grasp His omniscience, but chose to be taught. It is my understanding that He was ""led of the Spirit"" to such an extent that sometimes it is hard to distinquish between Jesus the man and Jesus as God. But in Jn 8 where the adulterous women was thrown before Him, the tenses are quite clear in that the whole situation took Him by surprise. That is, He was not aware that this event was to take place in time. He was living sequential history as you or I. Maybe some other time we can discuss this, but it is a very lengthy discussion and one that causes the curcuit breakers of the brain to pop more often than not. >Thanks again for the info. Just so you know, some friends and I > are starting a Freethinkers organization-- and I'm going to > use some of the info you provided for an organization intro- > duction... :-) I was once a member of that club. THe ""free thinker"" is a glorious ideal. By contrast, of course, you believe that the believer is the unforunate repository of everything that is dogmatic, inhibited, reactionary and repressive. I find such a stance to be as amusing as it is absurd. If the liberal humanist wishes to criticize a Christian or a Buddhist or a Marxist, that is his right. But what he must not pretend is that he was led to this solely by his ""rational doubt"" when in fact he was led to it by his ""faith"". He must acknowledge that while it is rational doubt for him as a ""free thinker"" to criticize the Christian, it might equally be a rational doubt for the Christian to criticize him as a humanist. If there is no faith, there can be no dout. There is no faith which cannot choose to cast doubt on some other faith. Pascal pointed out that ""sceptical arguments allow the positive to be positive. Few. . .speak dubiously of scepticism."" The fact that skeptics are not skeptical about skepticism is further evidence that to doubt anything we must believe in something else! THe person who is skeptical toward one faith or even most faiths, will be the devoted adherent of another. In fact, it is a measure of his poverty both that he is unaware of it and that he can define himself only in negative terms, hence the term ""a""-theist. Some people claim otherwise and argue vociferously for complete skepticism. In my campus ministry I ran across this more times than I care to remember. However, they disproved their own argument with every thought, every word, every point of logic that they used. Every moment of shared communication speaks against their total skepticism. Their very insistence of trying to make sense is eloquent testimony to assumptions that are powerful though silent. That is to say, that complete skepticism is impossible and limited skepticism is arbitrary. Next time you're in a room of skeptics, yell out ""Look, your fly is undone!"" Each person chooses what he is skeptical about and what he believes without skepticism. To stress this is to belabor the obvious, but it underlines the point that no one can know exhaustively how he knows what he knows. Pure objectivism is a myth and complete skepticism an impossiblity. The answer to this impasse lies in a 3rd way of knowing, one which is based on presuppositions. But if knowledge proceeds on what must be presupposed before it is proved, the cover is blown on the pretentions of critical doubt, and critical doubt depends on the idea that human knowledge is totally objective and neutral. In other words, another myth. Presuppositions my friend. It is impossible to doubt anything unless there is something we do not doubt -our own assumptions/presuppostions. Even these can be criticezed only upon the basis of other assumptions. Presuppostitons are our silent partners in thought but their silence must not be mistaken for absence. > I tell you what-- if God condemns me for being honest, He is > unworthy of my worship. Better to burn in Hell than to > serve a tyrant in Heaven.. Of course that is hardly an original statement. Milton coined it but it had been in use for millenia. It was even used in the first ""Highlander"" movie. But again, your presuption is based on a faulty knowledge of the character of God. You are operating off of a presuppositional premise of humanistic theology, not what He has revealed of Himself through history, through His prophets, through His Word, and lastly, but most of all, thru His Son. If you are to reject God's annointed savior, then reject Him from a correct understanding of Himself. --Rex " 7606,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind? Organization: George Washington University Lines: 36 In article mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca (Marc Trottier) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.172514.13025@cci632.cci.com> jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) writes: >>From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) >>Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind? >>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:25:14 GMT >>We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window >>to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows >>that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ?? >> >>Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group. >> >>Thanks for any help >>--- John Bruno >> > >Apparently, Microsoft came out with a new product: MS-Braille it is suppose >to be ""WYTIWIG"". :-) > >No offense. > > > Marc Trottier / mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca > > AT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running windows, and win. apps for the blind, I think. Didn't pay much attention to it, but it was there. 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Reimert) Subject: Re: win/NT file systems Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr26.103230.10618@spider.co.uk> keiths@spider.co.uk (Keith Smith) writes: >OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5 >can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something) >the Win/NT NTFS file system. >I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system > >keith DOS 5.0/6.0 cannot read the NTFS file system, although the NTFS file system can read the FAT file system of DOS. I have WindowsNT on a seperate partition on my machine at home, and I can read my DOS disks from Windows NT, but not vice-versa. As far as the robustness of the file system, it seems to be very fast, and I have yet to have a single problem with it. That doesn't prove it's better than the FAT system though. Read the book 'Inside Windows NT,' it will give you all the info you're looking for. Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Reimert \ reimert@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com /Standard disclaimer: Redondo Beach, CA \______________________________________/""Blah blah blah ... "" __________________|Always store beer in a cool dark place|_____________________ " 7609,16,"From: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: hooch.lerc.nasa.gov papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: >... >Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will >die because of them. Do you have any statistical evidence to back you claim that requires another limitation of the citizenry freedom? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7610,1,"From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill) Subject: Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr13.025240.8884@nwnexus.WA.COM>, mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon) writes: > I have an algorithm similar to Bresenhams line drawing algorithm, that > draws a line by stepping along the minor axis and drawing slices like > AAAA, BBBB, CCCC in the following diagram. > > AAAA > BBBB > CCCC > Yes, that's known as ""Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for Incremental lines"". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics, Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985. > I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can't figure out > how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas? Hmm. I don't think I can help you with this, but you might take a look at the following: ""Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles"", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing, Vol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334 ""Double-Step Generation of Ellipses"", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, IEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69 Graeme Gill. " 7611,11,"From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) Subject: The battle is joined Nntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 290 It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the Administration even sooner than we feared. It's time to make sure they hear the other side of the story, and hear it loudly! Phil ------- Forwarded Message Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. - - --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. " 7612,2,"From: drohand@cad.gmeds.com (Dominic Drohan) Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: EDS/Cadillac Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: cve385.ttp.cad.gmeds.com > Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to ^^^^^ My understanding was that Chicago **was** DOS 7. >be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't >be out >til '96. +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Dominic Drohan EMAIL: drohand@cad.gmeds.com | | Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6315 | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | ""If you'd like to talk for hours . . just go ahead now"" | | - The Spin Doctors | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, | | and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ " 7613,6,"From: mace@kilowatt.UUCP (Mace) Subject: Intel 96oo Ex Modem Organization: Kilowatt Computers, Deer Park, LI Lines: 12 For Sale: Intel 96oo Baud Modem External V32/V42bis Very Good Working Condition Never had any problems $160 oBo Leave daytime number for fastest response. The Kilowatt BBS - Deer Park, LI NY " 7614,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 28 In article <114127@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>When they are victimized they are Muslims. When they victimize others >>they are not True Muslims (tm) or no Muslims at all. > >>Quite annoying. > >I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic >principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify >that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, >so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ >be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting >to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic >Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than >than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. > It was no criticism of Islam for a change, it was a criticism of the arguments used. Namely, whenever people you identify as Muslims are the victims of the attacks of others, they are used an argument for the bad situation of Muslims. But whenever deeds by Muslim that victimize others are named, they do not count as an argument because what these people did was not done as a true Muslims. No mention is made how Muslims are the cause of a bad situation of another party. Double standards. Benedikt " 7615,9,"From: craige@sad.hp.com (Craig Eid) Subject: Candlestick Park experience (long) Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 36 I've been a Giants season ticket holder for years and never really complained about the old ballyard place. Sure, it's been cold, the food lines were long, and the hired hands were surly, but this was all part of the Giants mystique. Or so I thought. I went to Tuesday's game (3 - 1 Giants over the Marlins) and the 'Stick was a much different place. Nothing short of a dome will eliminate the wind, but everything is a lot better. The lines are a lot shorter, the bathrooms are CLEAN and have running water, and the hired hands were very polite. The new foghorn (lights up and blows after each homerun) and the wooden fence are very nice, as are the new bleachers. The bleachers start right at the top of the fence and give a great view, and they've got beer stands at the bottome of the bleachers. The only complaint is that the electronic old-fashioned scoreboard looks electronic - could be better. These things should have been done a long time ago, but it took a real businessman (ex - Safeway President Peter Magowan) to figure it out. Just like he used to tell his checkers, ""If the customers don't come back, I don't need as many checkers"". This isn't a knock on Bob Lurie - he was a competent businessman but he didn't deal much with the general public. I'll give an example of how the level of service has changed. The onion dispenser jammed as I was using it. An attendant came over, apoligized for the problem and proceeded to fix the machine. After he was done, he cleaned the machine and said he was glad to be able to help. In the old days, there was no attendant and the folks at the concession stands would say ""Go to the stand 100 feet away - they might be able to help"". All in all, it was a fun day -- Craig Eid e-mail address craige@hpsad.sad.hp.com " 7616,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Historical and Traditional Armenian Barbarism and Fascism. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 28 Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 204 (first paragraph). ""I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a year old."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7617,2,"From: kwilson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kirtley Wilson) Subject: Mirosoft Office Package Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.183345.28238 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu I am in charge of purchasing some computer software for a small office and I have a few question about Microsoft's Office Pack. 1) I was wondering, are the programs that are packaged with the Office Pack--WinWord, Power Point, Excel, and ccMail--complete and the latest addition? 2) Are the programs ""hobbled"" in any way? 3) Can we update single programs at a latter date ( i.e. from Excel 4.0 to Excel 5) ? 4) Do you receive all of the necessary disks and documentation? 5) Is there anything that I should be aware of that makes the Office Package less of deal that it seems? Sorry if I seem skeptical put the price for the Office Package--$439.39 on the street--sounds like a great deal for the office that is purchasing its first computer and software. But all four complete programs for less than $450 makes me just a little suspicious. Maybe its just me. Thanks for your help in advance Kirt Wilson Northwestern University ------------------------------- Internet: kwilson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Bitnet: kwilson@casbah " 7618,10,"Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel) Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Lines: 6 How long has Don Cherry been a student at SFU? (or is that Arche Bunker?) Please, keep this racist drivel off of the net. You're an embarassment to Canadians everywhere. Bill " 7619,6,"From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer) Subject: Food coupons Summary: Deal of century Keywords: holmes Article-I.D.: moe.1pt03p$h08 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu Looking to save money? I am your man. I will mail you $5 in food coupons for only$2.50. Or you will get twice the dollar amount of coupons. So mail $15 and get $30 dollars in coupons. Sounds like a great deal well it is. Send SASE to 766 S.Elizabeth St. Salt Lake City, Utah 84102 enclose money in form of a money order. Personally, I would not trust a person to send coupons after money is sent. Well, let me earn your trust. Send $1 dollar, and I'll send you your $2 in store coupons. Then we'll talk more e-mail enquiries to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu Thank you, John Schiefer " 7620,4,From: gmich@is.morgan.com (George Michaels) Subject: NTSC and th Nntp-Posting-Host: idt114 Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company Distribution: comp Lines: 0 7621,12,"From: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca (Bill Morrow) Subject: Need source for old Radio Shack stereo amp chip Nntp-Posting-Host: cns9.cns.ucalgary.ca Organization: University of Calgary Lines: 13 Last week I asked for help in getting an old homemade amp working with my Sun CD-ROM drive. It turns out that the channel I was testing with was burned out in the amp. The other channel works fine. So now I need a new amplifier chip. My local Radio Shack no longer carries components! The chip is a 12 pin SIP (?) labelled with BA5406 and then ""502 515"" below that. Does anyone have a source? Thanks, -- Bill Morrow Clinical Neurosciences, University of Calgary e-mail: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca voice: (403) 220-6275 fax: (403) 283-8770 3330 Hospital Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2N 4N1 " 7622,9,"From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson) Subject: RE: survey Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu Keywords: survey,complaints Yes, I know this is not Rec.music, (as someone has already pointed out, thanks I know that), I'm trying to get a random sample and also I'm desperate for respones. So please, don't mail me complaining that it doesn't belong here or that it is wasting bandwidth. This affects EVERYBODY not just readers of music groups. Please either complete the survey, or hit 'n', because I'll just bounce back complaints. Thank you -Matt -- ******************************************************************************** * / \ # Matthew T. Thompson * * /\ /| |\ # Electrical/Computer Engineering * * / \/ |ETALLIC| \ # University of New Hampshire * * \/ \/ # E-mail: mtt@kepler.unh.edu or my evil twin at * * \ / # shazam@unh.edu * ******************************************************************************** " 7623,19,"From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 28 kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes: > I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel ""Sarum"" a scene in > which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a > secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered > with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on > the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the > worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of > rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is > related to the Mithras cult? Yes, this is certainly one of the traditional ideas about the Mithraic cult (although not the only one.) It had many elements that seem to have been borrowed by Catholicism (e.g. the Mass, communion, the sharing of a sacred meal, consecration of bread and wine, etc.) For quite an amusing novel that uses this same idea, check out: The Covenant of the Flame by David Morrell. It has some quite interesting occult bits, and lots of killing. I won't spoil it by revealing the ending, but I will say that it is relevant to Mithraism. -- paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) Home Office in Vienna, Austria ** If you read news with rn or trn, ask me about EEP! the .newsrc editor! " 7624,13,"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.161112.21772@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: > >|> I don't think ""extra-scientific"" is a very useful phrase in a discussion >|> of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. >|> Extra-rational >|> is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases >|> of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. > >Yeah, but the problem with holding up the ""extra-rational"" examples as >exemplars, or as refutations of well founded methodology, is that you >run smack up against such unuseful directions as Lysenko. Such ""extra- >rational"" cases are curiosities -- not guides to methodology. As has been noted before, there is the distinction between _motivation_ and _method_. No experimental result should be accepted unless it is described in sufficient detail to be replicated, and the replications do indeed reproduce the result. No theoretical argument should be accepted unless it is presented in sufficient detail to be followed, and reasonable, knowlegeable, people agree with the force of the logic. But people try experiments, and pursue arguments, for all sorts of crazy reasons. Irrational motivations are not just curiousities; they are a large part of the history of science. There are a couple of negative points to make here: 1) A theory of qi could, conceivably, become accepted without direct verification of the existence of qi. For example, quarks are an accepted part of the standard model of physics, with no direct verification. What would be needed would be a theory, based on qi, that predicted medical reality better than the alternatives. The central theoretical claim could lie forever beyond experiment, as long as there was a sufficient body of experimental data that the qi theory predicted better than any other. (I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the triumph of qi, though. I don't think that there is even a coherent theory based on it, much less a theory that explains anything at all better than modern biology. And it is hard to imagine a qi theory that would not predict some way of rather directly verifying the existence of qi.) 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall, there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations, petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated. The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly. Pasteur could believe whatever he liked about chemical activity and crystals; but even Mitscherlich had to agree that racemic acid crystals were handed; that when you separate them by handedness, you get two chemicals that rotate polarized light in opposite directions; and the right-rotating version was indistinguishable from tartaric acid. Pasteur's irrational motivation had led to a replicable, and important, result. This is where Lysenko, creationists, etc. fail. They have usually not even produced coherent theories that predict much of anything. When their theories do predict, and are contradicted by experiment, they do not concede the point and modify their theories; rather they try to suppress the results (Lysenko) or try to divert attention to other evidence they think supports their position (creationists). -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu " 7625,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 28 In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel writes: >What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a >s well as jewish religion, among others. What gives the US the right to keep New York? It is the home of the United Nations as well as being home to a myriad of ethnic groups. (Actually, NYC is more comparable to the Gaza Strip; the controlling authority would probably be pleased as punch to unload it on someone else -- but no-one seems to want it! :-) >Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitzak Shamir did forty or fifty >years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the way Abdul Nidal >does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so therefore >they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. A-historical bullshit. Shamir fought the British (who, incidentally, shipped whole shiploads of Jews back to the Nazis for extermination and hung those Jewish fighters that they captured and didn't want to deal with anymore). Shamir did not attack civilians on airliners, cruise ships, in airports, sports events, movie theaters, markets, on buses and children in schoolyards. Your comparison to a Master Murderer like Abu Nidal is BLIND! -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 7626,16,"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: Letter to a Liberal Colleague -- L. Neil Smith Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 147 Posted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith LETTER TO A LIBERAL COLLEAGUE [AUTHOR'S NOTE: ""Adrian"" -- name changed to protect the guilty -- and the author are science fiction novelists who once worked with the same editor at a famous New York publishing house.] Dear Adrian: I'm way behind schedule on my current book again, so this reply to your note -- criticizing the recent magazine interview I gave and generally attacking gun ownership -- will necessarily consist mostly of assertions you're free to believe (or not) I can back with evidence and logic I've neither time nor energy to present now. I've written fully on this topic before and will again in the future. When I do, I'll make sure you get copies. There are many arguments I might make, from the futility and danger of delegating self-defense to the police (see Don Kates in the Jan. 10, 1985 WALL STREET JOURNAL) to the real effect of prohibition, shifting consumers from newly-outlawed handguns or semiautomatic rifles to items like sawed-off shotguns or homemade bombs, but I'll limit myself here to commenting on the newspaper clipping you sent with your note. First, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Second, publication of some latter-day ""scientific study"" doesn't alter the fact that the gun prohibitionists I discussed in my interview -- annoying you so much in the process -- were lying. Third, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Fourth, as often happens with these things, the ""study"" doesn't support the gun prohibitionists' original numerical contentions anyway, but simply adds a new layer of spurious claims to an older body of lies, omissions, and distortions. Fifth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Sixth, the fact that gun prohibitionists have been caught lying on countless occasions (Carl Bakal, author of NO RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, even confessed to it publicly) makes the value of this present ""study"" dubious, to say the least. Seventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Eighth, given your own lifelong service as a federal bureaucrat (not to mention the cynical sophistication of your fiction), you should be better aware than most people how ""progress"" -- in designing ""studies"" to prove whatever you want -- outstrips our ability to collect meaningful data. A case in point we might agree on is the fact that it took another kind of prohibitionist 20 or 30 years to create ""studies"" ""proving"" that pornography causes crime. More naive (and probably more honest) efforts in the 50s and 60s clearly indicate the contrary. Ninth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Tenth, another reason to doubt all such ""studies"" is that human behavior (as the Austrian School of economics demonstrates) is far too complex and unpredictable to be meaningfully quantified. The attempt to do so -- and then create public policy based on the resulting pseudo-information -- is wrecking our civilization. Eleventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Twelfth, the ""study"" is also worthless because it incorporates figures for suicide, which is not necessarily a tragedy but basically another individual right, sometimes with ancillary social benefits. If anything, perhaps suicide INTERVENTION should be a criminal offense. Thirteenth and finally, the National Rifle Association officials quoted in the article, whatever their shortcomings (and they are many), are correct in this instance: the ""study"" is meaningless because the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. And because of that, Adrian, even if the ""study"" were valid, it wouldn't deter me from a lifelong personal objective of seeing that anyone can own any weapon he or she prefers and carry it however, whenever, and wherever he or she desires without asking anybody's permission. In this I'm ably assisted by gun prohibitionists themselves, whose yawping invariably moves previously unarmed people to go out and buy their first gun ""while they still can"". Before the '68 Gun Control Act, most of the ""shooting fraternity"" viewed handguns (incorrectly, as it turned out) as inaccurate, ineffective toys. There probably weren't six million of them in the whole country. Now, thanks to Kennedy, Metzenbaum, the Bradys, and their ilk -- AMERICA'S GREATEST SPORTING GOODS SALES TEAM -- we probably manufacture at least that many every year. The fascinating datum is that Handgun Control, et al. are perfectly aware of this -- so I guess you'll have to ask them yourself what their real motives are. Look: gun-making isn't an arcane or difficult art (and by the way, it's easier to make a fully automatic weapon than a semiautomatic; the fact that I can still obtain my own weapon of preference, the self-loading pistol, is the only thing which keeps me from pursuing this further). Even if it were difficult, there are already a quarter billion firearms in America, with an estimated ""half life"" of 1000 years -- possibly more for stainless steel. Guns are gonna be around a long time, Adrian, whether you like it or not. As for me, to paraphrase Elmer Keith, regardless of what the law provides or any court decides, I'm always going to be armed. And I will always work to see that others are, as well. The bad news is that there are thousands more -- perhaps even hundreds of thousands -- where I come from. We can't be stopped by passing laws, we can only be forced to arm ourselves and others secretly and -- given both the practical and alleged differences between full automatics and semiautomatics -- perhaps more efficiently. So what's the point? L. Neil Smith Author: THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN, and (forthcoming) PALLAS LEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4 Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus NRA Life Member My opinions are, of course, my own. " 7627,6,"From: casu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ching Tzu Andrea Su) Subject: Software Unlimited? Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.195910.20328 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Sorry to waste the bandwidth. Does anyone know a software mail order company called ""Software Unlimited""? I ordered a software from them and they charged my credit card but never did send the package to me. I call them many times but nobody answer the phone. I also check Computer Shoppers and found they don't advertise anymore. If you know if they are still in business or you know how to contact them, please tell me. Thank you very much. Ching-Tze Su " 7628,18,"From: nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) Subject: Re: ProLifer Or Terrorist Threat Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 16 In article drieux@wetware.com writes: >In article 1pamhpINN7d3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu, taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes: >>I'm prepared to instruct individuals in the proper use and >>handling of firearms. >>As a Desert Storm vet with six years in the National Guard, I have a >>great deal of experience in handling weapons and tactical training. >ps: anyone up for a discussion of counter sniper operations? >Security drills, Your Friend the Counter Terrorist Operation..... If twit promises to train them in tactics and weapons handlings, I doubt any of them will last long enough to become terrorists. Look for a sudden rise in firearms accidents among the Fiends of the Fetus, though. " 7629,2,"From: David A. Fuess Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ???? Organization: UC LLNL Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov In article <56720008@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway) writes: >Not on my system. > >Frank Calloway Nor mine, either of them! +---------------------------------+----------------------+ | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess | | _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS | | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 | | _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 | +-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+ " 7630,9,"From: Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 10 Al Weiss played second for the White Sox in the early sixties, chiefly as back up to Don Buford. Good glove, no hit, some spunk. (Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?) -- Mark Bernstein Eastgate Systems, Inc. 134 Main Street Watertown MA 02172 USA voice: (800) 562-1638 in USA +1(617) 924-9044 Eastgate@world.std.com Compuserve: 76146,262 AppleLink:Eastgate " 7631,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 37 Mike Sixsmith, on the 16 Apr 93 10:07:55 GMT wibbled: [ very interesting (yawn) stuff deleted, because I'm like that... ] : Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to : be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering : theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at : the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn. : And that was my original point. : Mike I am in complete concordance with you there, Mike. I was a Silver StarRider instructor, for a while. I learn't about countersteering last year and I have been riding bikes since 1976. We were never told about countersteering when being taught to instruct. It doesn't seem to have affected me or my friends or pupils. We just rode in blissful ignorance. -- Nick (the Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 7632,15,"From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 42 A ""new Christian"" wrote that he was new to the faith and learning about it ""by reading the Bible, of course"". I am not at all sure this is the best path to follow. While the Bible is, for Christians, the word of God, the revelation of God is Jesus Christ and the chief legacy of this revalation is the Church. I am not recommending any one denommination, but I do recommend finding a comfortable christian congregation in which to develop your faith, rather than just reading the Bible. This does not mean that the Bible should not be read, although I would stick to the Gospels, epistles, and Psalms and avoid the Book of Revelation altogether [until you are with friends you are comfortable with]. I am sure that mistakenly fervent projects to read the entire Bible have frequently bogged down with a remarkable lack of fervour somewhere in the middle of Leviticus, or for the really sturdy, somewhere in Chronicles. The point is that the Bible is their to illustrate the Faith of Christians, but does not provide the totality of that faith. Vital beliefs of virtually all Christians are simply not mentioned - the Trinity, the duality of natures in Christ, types of Church organization. All these beliefs and practices have developed from the lived experience of the Christian people, an experience lived one hopes in the Spirit. As such the Bible, I think, is better studies in the context of a congregation, and the context of other reading. Following up on a suggestion of an old confessor of mine, I would even suggest that a good novel is a good way to reflect on the christian life. [Most novels of any profundity are actually discussing the nature of good and evil in the human heart]. My own induction into the christian faith was brought about [after grace] through reading Graham Greene: _The Power and the Glory_ and the poetry of Gerard Manley Hopkins. I would also recommend Graham Greene's _Monsignor Quixote_ and any novel by Iris Murdoch. The last is not even a Christian, but such is her insistence on the need for the good life, that, frankly, I often am more uplifted and God directed after reading her than after reading many parts of the Bible. And that after all is what being a Christian is all about: letting your soul and your life be, in some way, directed towards the infinite, represented to us by the person of Jesus Christ. Paul Halsall Halsall@murray.fordham.edu " 7633,12,"From: betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts) Subject: Where to find CHEAP LCD displays? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 32 Sci.E(E) netters: I am setting out to build and market a small electronic device that requires an LCD display. All of the analog electronics are working fine, I have ordered a PIC ICE (not vice versa) since the PICs are so cheap and low-power, but I am having a devil of a time finding any LCD displays in the 6-8 digit range that are priced as low as I need. I am looking for somthing in the range of $1 in quantities of about 1000-10,000. Mainstream distributors like Almac cannot help me without a part number, or when they do look around for something in their line they find a $15 8-digit LCD. Even Digikey's cheapest offering is $5 in quantity. I know LCD displays like this must exist because I see whole calculators for sale for $4.99, meaning the retailer probably buys it for $3.50 and the wholesaler probably gets it for $2.50 or so. This $2.50 includes assembly labor, packaging, sales, transportation, import duties, the case and keyboard, the PC Board, the processor chip, the solar cell --- and the LCD. The LCD can't cost much. If anyone could put me in touch with some manufacturers and/or distributors that handle such things I would be much obliged. -Joe Betts betts@netcom.com P.S. I have tried tearing apart several cheap consumer devices that have LCDs only to find that the LCDs are unlabelled. Has anyone else had better luck with this strategy? " 7634,6,"From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry) Subject: For Sale: 1983 Nissan Sentra Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 15 Distribution: ba NNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu ************************** 1983 Nissan Sentra ************************** o two door hatchback o red o am/fm cassette o lots of new parts, well maintained o very clean, inside and out o looks and runs great o $2000/bo Bob or Tracy at 510-540-8795 (Please do not respond to this account) " 7635,18,"Subject: Re: Stop putting down white het males. From: Organization: City University of New York Lines: 31 From: baba@Tymnet.com (Duane Hentrich) -BTW, I'm a WALC (white aryan lapsed catholic) - --- -d'baba Duane M. Hentrich baba@Tymnet.Com - I would like to go on record as objecting to Mr. Hentrich calling himself an Aryan. The word `Aryan' is of Sanskrit origin and occurs first in the Hindu scripture, the Rigveda. It seems to have been a tribal term but may have had connotations of good character. Such connotations are quite explicit in the sayings of the Buddha who called his religion the eightfold Aryan path. The word was borrowed by the German scholar Max Mueller who used it as a synonym for `indo-european', but then the Nazis proceeded to steal it and started pretending that `aryan' is synonymous with `nordic' which seems highly unlikely. The people who originally called themselves aryas, the Iranians, Noprth Indians, the Afghans and possibly the Kurds, are none of them nordic. So the use of the word by Westerners, though meant with apparent good humor in this case, is nontheless inappropriate. The only Westerners who may have some claim to call themselves Aryans (by descent) are the Celts who seem to have wor- shipped a god called Aryaman who is mentioned in the Rigveda. If you want to check what I am saying, look at Mallory's book, ``In search of the Indo-Europeans"" or, just look at the Encyclopedia Britannica. The reason this usage is offensive is that most of Ancient Indian literature as well as religion is directly or inderectly due to the Aryans and for Westerners to butt in is really not nice, not to mention the horrible things done by Germans to Jews, using a word to which the Germans have no clear claim. Rohit Parikh " 7636,2,From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr20.130933.26571@lut.ac.uk> A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk (Adrian D.Bailey) writes: >In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you >need. Windows 3.1 I don't know...... It's there..... -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Tony Annese claebaur@shell.portal.com -or- claebaur@cup.portal.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 7637,15,"From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. Lines: 42 In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: > > [Very good and reasonable statements on ""authority"" deleted] > > The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a > reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty. > If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of > every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly > change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific. This is not true. The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the existence of God. As much as some people accept their Church, their priests or straight from their own scriptures as the ""proof"", this does not satisfy atheists. Atheists DO believe in recognisable authorities. If they were as dogmatic as you claim they are, they would be trying to prove 1 + 1 =2 every time they got up. What they dispute is that Churches, priests, scriptures etc. represent true authorities and know the TRUTH. > To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny > God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very > nature, prove anything. Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of us that makes us ask the question ""Does God exist?"" i.e. self-awareness and reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? > ============================================================================== > Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but > aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis > ============================================================================== -- Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. " 7638,19,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: sgi Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qm069$fm8@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qkndq$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> #|> In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> #|> # You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define |> #|> #what ""objective values"" are. |> #|> |> #|> Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people |> #|> of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that |> #|> sound like a good deal? |> # |> #You mean that if you can find a ridiculous price, the rest of |> #us are supposed to conclude that an objectively correct price |> #exists? |> |> I said nothing about the price. I asked if the deal was good. It isn't. So it was a complete non-sequitur, is that it? How does coming up with a derisory deal tell us anything about the existence of ""objective"" values. You're asking us to accept that the deal you offered would be turned down, and we believe that, not because we appeal to objective values but becasue we know, or think we know, something about people. All the people we know exhibit *subjective* values that would lead them to reject a deal of $1 for all of the land in America. Great. Now, so what? jon. " 7639,6,"From: ergo@wam.umd.edu (Laurice) Subject: Brand New Software Packages for Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: um Lines: 6 Looking for people to buy brand new software packages including Microsoft Windows, Harvard Graphics, Pagemaker, Paradox, Lotus, etc. at 20-25% off list price. E-mail IMMEDIATELY to ""ergo@wam.umd.edu"" with name, phone #, email address, and software names. " 7640,3,"From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) Subject: Re: Intel, the Pentium and Linux Article-I.D.: openage.1993Apr04.175934.8526 Organization: Open Age, Inc. Lines: 40 INABU@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Arnd Burghardt) writes: >Hi folks, > >Yesterday i visited the CEBIT (hannover, germany), where Intel was presenting >the Pentium (586) processor. They had four (in words 4) machines with this >beast running. So they presented it nicely (unly by running picture shows), >this i could do on a 80286 ;-)). The presentor promised it to be binary >compatible to the i486, and I said I don't believe. I showed him a ONE_DISK_ >Linux-System (Emergency disk, with patched lilo to boot from disk), and said >him : Convice me, boot this : No guts, no glory ! A he decided no glory. >He won't let anybody touch his holy cows, and not even boot a suspect OS. > >I thought by myself 'This is the coward of the day' and went back to earth. > >What cn we learn : this technology is far from industrial-standarts, so you >can expect this beast in your local computer-shop at least in spring next >year.... > >only my 2cents.... Yes only your $00.02. Here's mine. If I were running at a new chip at a Trade show, and had little to no real technical knowledge, I wouldn't let some stranger with a diskette boot my demo machine. If the demo machine is down too long people will not see my nice demos, and if this purposted LINUX diskette is really something that will wipe the disk, or is loaded with a VIRUS!, I'm in deep trouble. No marketer in their right mind would let you do this, unless they had specifically invited people to do so, and provided machines to do it with. We can we learn : This technology will be shipping from PC vendors in May 1993, and will be i486 compatible. -- The Golden Gryphon gryphon@openage.COM ""The Crown Jewel of the American Prison System."" - President Bill Clinton on living in The White House. Openage - The Premier SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area " 7641,14,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: space food sticks Keywords: food Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article , jelson@rcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (John Elson) writes: >Has anyone ever heard of a food product called ""Space Food Sticks?"" This >was apparently created/marketed around the time of the lunar expeditions, along >with ""Tang"" and other dehydrated foods. I have spoken with several people >who have eaten these before, and they described them as a dehydrated candy. >Any information would be greatly appreciated. A freeze dried Tootsie Roll (tm). The actual taste sensation was like nothing you will ever willingly experience. The amazing thing was that we ate a second one, and a third and .... I doubt that they actually flew on missions, as I'm certain they did ""bad things"" to the gastrointestinal tract. Compared to Space Food Sticks, Tang was a gastronomic contribution to mankind. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |God gave us weather so we wouldn't complain pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |about other things. PADI DM-54909 | PS. I don't think Tang flew, either. Although it was developed under contract. " 7642,8,"From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Distribution: world Organization: W. R. Slack Lines: 20 Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies: >: > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift >: > off the ground > >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and >you know what? He was right! Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake! Bill __ wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430 But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o " 7643,5,"From: prunet@zephir.inria.fr (Vincent Prunet) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr) Lines: 55 In article , buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes: |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) |> |> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that |> contains |> Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item |> to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() |> |> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the |> new |> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that |> handles |> ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care |> of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a ""proper"" |> way |> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is |> guaranteed to be mapped. |> |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? To incrementally update the contents of windows, I use the following trick: 1. Set the window background to None, 2. Call XClearArea(display, window, 0, 0, 0, 0, True), 3. Restore the window background to its correct value. The call to XClearArea does not repaint the window background, but still generates exposure events for visible parts of the window. In order to let my application know that these expose events must be handled incrementally (something is already displayed on the screen and may need to be erased), I encapsulate the 3 operations with 2 self addressed client messages, which preserve asynchronicity between the client and the server. XGrabServer(display) client message (start-incremental) background None XClearArea Restore background client message (end-incremental) XUngrabServer(display) The GrabServer prevents other events to be inserted by the server in the critical section. --- Vincent Prunet, Sema Group Sophia Antipolis INRIA BP 93 06902 SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS Cedex FRANCE prunet@sophia.inria.fr, (33) 93 65 78 42, Fax:(33) 93 65 77 66 " 7644,7,"From: cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw) Subject: RE: How is Cizeta V16T doing? Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc5.ucsd.edu In article crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) writes: >I can remember reading a track competition in some car-magazine, which >featured the Testarossa, the Diablo and the V16T. The result was about >the same I would have expected: The Cizeta was not only the slowest of >the three, but also dropped out halfway during it's test laps because >of smoking brakes. For a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance. > Hm... I find this hard to believe. V16T weights about the same as the Red Head, but it has hell lot more horse power. Perhaps it's due to pre-production glitches? Well, to me, it still got the most imposing styling among all the sports cars I have seen. >Bye... > >Chris crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de > >Ferrari F40 - Best sportscar ever built! Personally, I don't like cars that rely on turbo power. I guess everyone has their favorite car. " 7645,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: >( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should >be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about >the transmission and taking my chances. There should be no worries about the trans. >Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull >info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, >but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). Does this count? $ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press return...) Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 7646,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie masks Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 13 I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu Thanks for your time. -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 7647,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 81 In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >In article davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) writes: >>Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, >>a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something >>to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly >>allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? >Candida albicans can cause severe life-threatening infections, usually >in people who are otherwise quite ill. This is not, however, the sort >of illness that you are probably discussing. > >""Systemic yeast syndrome"" where the body is allergic to >yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine. There >is a book ""The Yeast Connection"" which talks about this ""illness"". > >There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book ""Sinus Survival"", always gives, before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over 2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his program. In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also *greatly* improved in other areas as well. Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you would have perceptible symptoms. Also, yeast do produce toxins of various sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that such toxins can cause problems in some people. In my case it was sinus since that's the center of my allergic response. Of course, the $60,000 question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the stress of infections and allergies, etc.), can develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons. BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time. In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as I am concerned. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 7648,12,"From: dwo@zerberus.gud.siemens.co.at (F.Dwo) Subject: DSP 56001 Nntp-Posting-Host: zerberus.gud.siemens-austria Organization: Siemens AG Oesterreich Lines: 15 Hi !!! Is there somebody using a 56001 DSP from Motorola ??? I am searching for programms concerning audio effects. I built a 4 channel mixer (4ADC + 1DSP) for audio signals. I built some digital filters and echos, but now i want to include some effects like HARMONIC Equalizer or chorus. The problem is, I dont know how these effects work (so I cant write a programm). So if someone has programms or just knows how such effects work, please contact me in the newsgroup or via e-mail. (Also if there are books about this problem) Thanks in advance (DWO) " 7649,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 29 In article <1qnn7b$ddc@sol.TIS.COM> mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) writes: > When you've got HRH Prince of Wales saying stupid things over >cordless phones, it's not hard to imagine that drug dealers, child >pornographers, commies, LISP programmers, and other threats to the >civilized world might transact incriminating business over ""encrypting"" >cellular phones. > Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about those two names) In that case the Prince of Wales has nothing to worry about on this system. Indeed, as pointed out, since the current systems, even the current digital systems, are very easy to decode -- right now anybody with an old TV can hear them -- for most people, this will be viewed as an ""oh goody"" step upwards. And look at how tolerant the public is. They're willing to let the neighbours with the radios hear right now. It was suggested by one person that a *lot* of non-evidentiary wiretapping is going on right now without warrants, because anybody can do it and it's just an ECPA violation. This would stop that. All tapping would need a warrant, or a breach of security at the escrow houses. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 7650,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 60 In article <11847@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >In article <115670@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>In article <11826@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >>I am refuting nothing but simply telling you what I see, which is >>childish propaganda and nothing to be refuted. BCCI was not >>an Islamic bank, so this post has nothing to do with Islamic banks. >>I am tiring of this infantile garbage, so I simply evaluated it >>as such. >>> Could you maybe flesh it out just a bit? Or did I miss the full >>> grandeur of it's content by virtue of my blinding atheism? >>You may be having difficulty seeing the light because you >>have your head up your ass. I suggest making sure this is >>not the case before posting again. > It's time for your lesson in debate, Gregg. Yeah, right. >Begin included text: >From vice!news.tek.com!uunet!psinntp!wrldlnk!usenet Sun Apr 18 10:01:11 PDT 1993 >I noticed a post on this topic in soc.religion.islam. And since the topic >of the BCCI being/not being an Islamic bank has come up, I have left in the >one mention of the BCCI bank called ""How BCCI adapted the Koran rules of >banking"" from this bibliography. >Bennett, Neil. ""How BCCI adapted the Koran rules of banking"". The >Times. August 13, 1991. So, let's see. If some guy writes a piece with a title that implies something is the case then it must be so, is that it? > This is how you support a position if you intend to have anyone > respect it, Gregg. Any questions? And I even managed to include > the above reference with my head firmly engaged in my ass. What's > your excuse? This supports nothing. I have no reason to believe that this is piece is anything other than another anti-Islamic slander job. I have no respect for titles, only for real content. I can look up this article if I want, true. But I can tell you BCCI was _not_ an Islamic bank. Seeing as I'm spending my time responding to propaganda (in responding to this little sub-thread) I really don't feel a deep need to do more than make statements to the effect that the propaganda is false. If someone wants to discuss the issue more seriously then I'd be glad to have a real discussion, providing references, etc. Gregg " 7651,6,"Reply-To: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman) From: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman) Subject: Re: Question/Suggestion for Everyone - Please Read Lines: 28 > >If both paries do this, then the transaction will obviously >be COD. This allows both parties to exercise the amount of >trust they see fit. COD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00 for a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used on a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods to protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with merchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards, chargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc. About the only protection available to to do business with someone you trust....someone who has been around for a while. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Freeman 1-800-GO-PORCH Toll-Free Front Porch Computers 1-706-695-1888 Rt 2 Box 2178 1-706-695-1990 Chatsworth, GA 30705 75260,21 Compuserve ID # Internet: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net ________________________________________________________________________ " 7652,9,"From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions Article-I.D.: Msu.0096B0F0.C5DE05A0 Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu Organization: Montana State University Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes: >Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make >room for Harkey? >Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL? >Thanks for anyone who can give me more info! >/=== >Ken >Cal Poly, Pomona > Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. rick " 7653,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 13 In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr ites: >[] > > ""Can I ask. Have any of you been at the speed of 130? It's a > rush."" > >So is cocaine. What's your point? > > -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) > Yeah, and the cop couldn't catch me..... -- " 7654,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: While Armenians are massacring innocent Azeri women and children... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 180 In article iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) writes: >>> Historically even the most uncivilized of peoples have exhibited >>> signs of compassion by allowing humanitarian aid to reach civilian >>> populations. Even the Nazis did this much. >>is the world community really so powerless? Where are all those human >>rights advocates? Where are all the decent people? Are we going to >>let this human tragedy go on and do nothing about it? The number >>of Azeris murdered by the terrorist Armenian army and its savage >>gangs is increasing. > News reporters make their living by providing stories, and there is > so way in hell that they are going to confuse the public with > what is happening in Armenia (a country that few know of), and > risk detracting people's interest from what is happening in Serbia. Then you must be living in an alternate universe. Where were they? An Appeal to Mankind During the last three years Azerbaijan and its multinational population are vainly fighting for justice within the limits of the Soviet Union. All humanitarian, constitutional human rights guaranteed by the UN Charter, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Helsinki Agreements, Human Problems International Forums, documents signed by the Soviet Union - all of them are violated. The USSR's President, government bodies do not defend Azerbaijan though they are all empowered to take necessary measures to guarantee life and peace. The 140,000 strong army of Armenian terrorists with Moscow's tacit consent wages an undeclared war of annihilation against Azerbaijan. As a result, a part of Azerbaijan has been occupied and annexed, hundreds of people killed, thousands wounded. Some 200,000 Azerbaijanis have been brutally and inhumanly deported from the Armenian SSR, their historical homeland. Together with them 64,000 Russians and 22,000 Kurds have also been driven out, a part of them now settled in Azerbaijan. Some 40,000 Turkish-Meskhetians, Lezghins and representatives of other Caucasian nationalities who escaped from the Central Asia where the President and government bodies did not guarantee them the life and peace also suffered from these deportations. One of the scandalous vandalisms directed not only against Azerbaijan science but the world civilization as well is the Armenian extremists' destruction of the Karabakh scientific experimental base of The Institute of Genetics and Selection of the Academy of Sciences of the Azerbaijan SSR. We beg you for humanitarian help and political assistance, for the honour and dignity of 7 million Azerbaijanis are violated, its territory, culture and history are trampled, its people are shot. There is persistent negative image of Azerbaijanians abroad, and this defamation is spread over the whole world by Soviet mass media, Armenian lobby in the USSR and the United States. One of the myths is that all events allegedly involves and generated by interethnic collisions and religious intolerance while the truth is that all these shootings and recent events stem from the territorial claims of Armenia on Azerbaijan. It is a well documented fact that before the conflict there were no frictions between Armenians and Azerbaijanis on the issue of Karabakh. Hundreds and thousands Armenians placidly and calmly lived and worked in Azerbaijan land, had their representatives in all government bodies of the Azerbaijan SSR. We are for a united, indivisible, sovereign Azerbaijan, we are for a common Caucasian home proclaimed in 1918 by one of the founding fathers of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic - Muhammed Emin Rasulzade. But all these goals and expectations are trampled upon the Soviet leadership in favour of the Armenian expansionists encouraged by Moscow and intended to create a new '1,000 Year Reich' - the 'Great Armenia' - by annexing the neighboring lands. The world public opinion shed tears to save the whales, suffers for penguins dying out in the Antarctic Continent. But what about the lives of seven million human beings? If these people are Muslims, does it mean that they are less valuable? Can people be discriminated by their colour of skin or religion, by their residence or other attributes? All people are brothers, and we appeal to our brothers for help and understanding. This is not the first appeal of Azerbaijan to the world public opinion. Our previous appeals were unheard. However, we still carry the hope that the truth beyond the Russian and Armenian propaganda will one day reveal the extent of our suffering and stimulate at least as much help and compassion for Azerbaijan as tendered to whales and penguins. THE COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE'S HELP TO KARABAKH (OF THE) ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OF THE AZERBAIJAN SSR > Everyone knows this, even the Turks know this, you know this. Give > us a time period when the world is currently boring, and what is > happening in Armenia would make front page headlines. Think I'm lying? > Take a look at what happened in Somalia. When did the press report > it to the world? But perhaps Turkiye should intervene in the affairs of the Caucasus in the name of peace and democracy. The Armenians are Christians, the Azerbaijanis are Moslems, and Islam is a religion especially unloved by the democrat-westernizers. Besides, at the root of this conflict lie the territorial claims on Azerbaijan, a consequence of which were the blood and suffering of innocent Azeri people, hundreds of thousands of refugees, and gross violations of human rights. Recently Armenians attacked the Azeri town of Khojaly and massacred thousands of Azeris. The Paris-based 'Association for Democracy and Human Rights in Azerbaijan' puts the number of Khojali victims at 3,145. Some of the dead were scalped and mutilated. This whole thing has now gone entirely too far. > Want to know what will bring the story in Armenia to the front > page? If the Russians move into the area with a shit load of tanks > THEN your human rights advocates will show up defending the Armenians. > Of course we can also be sure that the Russians won't show up with > any tanks, not with the problems they are having at home. They already did. The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in the Ottoman Empire is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are remarkable similarities between the plots, the perpetrators, and the underdogs. Report taken from The New York Times, Tuesday, March 3, 1992 MASSACRE BY ARMENIANS BEING REPORTED Agdam,Azerbaijan,March 2 (Reuters) - Fresh evidence emerged today of a massacre of civilians by Armenian militants in Nagorno-Karabakh, a predominantly Armenian enclave of Azerbaijan. The republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had killed 1,000 people in the Azerbaijani populated town of Khojaly last week and massacred men, women and children fleeing the carnage across snow-covered mountain passes. But dozen of bodies scattered over the area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre. Scalping Reported Azerbaijani officials and journalists who flew briefly to the region by helicopter brought back three dead children with the back of their heads blown off. They said shooting by Armenians has prevented them from retrieving more bodies. ""Women and children have been scalped,"" said Assad Faradshev, an aide to Nagorno-Karabakh's Azerbaijani Governor. ""When we began to pick up bodies, they began firing at us."" The Azerbaijani militia chief in Agdam, Rashid Mamedov, said: ""The bodies are lying there like flocks of sheep. Even the fascists did nothing like this."" Truckloads of Bodies Near Agdam on the outskirts of Nagorno-Karabakh, a Reuters photographer, Frederique Lengaigne, said she had seen two trucks filled with Azerbaijani bodies. ""In the first one I counted 35, and it looked as though there were as many in the second,"" she said. ""Some had their head cut off, and many had been burned. They were all men, and a few had been wearing khaki uniforms. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7655,2,"From: msbendts@mtu.edu (BENDTSEN) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: Michigan Technological University X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 37 sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen) writes: : Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need. : : I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. : The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows. : : I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. : : Do I find it on any FTP host? : : Svein Well, in the latest Windows magazine, there is an advertisement for a program that will help you uninstall windows apps from your harddisk (Uninstaller) but it can be used to update a network, but only for deleting, not adding or changing their *.ini files. (Uninstaller, by MicroHelp Inc. $79 1-800-922-3383) I am also looking for an *.ini updater for my PC network, and so far without any luck. So for the time being I have been pushing DOS and it's batch language to its limit...look into DOS 5.0's (I am assumming that DOS 6.0 has the same command, maybe even more..or less..improved) REPLACE command. I use this to update our users personal files with a master set in a batch file that is run everytime they invoke Windows. This basically overwrites their color schemes, but does what I need it to do. Not neat, but does the job...I'm looking for a better solution though. Mike Just relaying what I know...a not for profit service. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Bendtsen (msbendts @ mtu.edu) 740 Elm St. Apt#4 CCLI Senior Technical Consultant Hancock, MI 49930 Michigan Technological University " 7656,10,"From: (Proust) Subject: Re: Individual Winners (WAS: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM?) Nntp-Posting-Host: td-college-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Computing & Information Systems, Yale University Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.170226.11074@cci632.cci.com>, dwk@cci632.cci.com (Dave Kehrer) wrote: > > Well, since you mentioned it... > > In article <1993Apr12.142028.6300@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes: > > > Lemieux is clearly the MVP > > No question here. Chip in the Masterson as well... Lemieux for the Masterson? No doubt he had an awe inspiring season, but what personal records did he set this year? Lemieux should have Hart locked up...but how about Mike Gartner for the Masterson? " 7657,1,"From: shmuel@mapsut.einstein.com (Shmuel Einstein) Subject: Screen capture -> CYMK converter Nntp-Posting-Host: mapsut.einstein.com Organization: Shmuel Einstein & Associates, Inc. Lines: 20 I have a small program to extract a 640x480 image from a vga 16 color screen, and store that image in a TIFF file. I need to insert the image into a sales brochure, which I then need printed in 4 color. On a mac, I would use Photoshop to separate the image into 5 EPS files, and then pull it into quark express, then get it printed to film on a lintronix at a service bureau. However, I don't have a mac, but I do have windows. What would I need to do this type of operation in the windows 3.1 environment? Are there any separation programs available on the net? Is there a good page layout program that I should look into? Thanks in advance. -- Shmuel Einstein, shmuel@einstein.com Shmuel Einstein & Associates, Inc. 9100 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 235 E Beverly Hills, CA 90212 310/273-8971 FAX 310/273-8872 " 7658,2,"From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) Subject: Program manager ** two questions Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 16 (1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like to give them some individuality. (2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . Any and all help is welcomed. -- ============================================================================ | Help stamp out stupid .signature files! Gerry Swetsky WB9EBO | | vpnet - Public access Unix and Usenet | | Home (708)833-8122 vpnet (708)833-8126 lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us | ============================================================================ " 7659,18,"From: texx@ossi.com (Robert ""Texx"" Woodworth) Subject: Re: CA's pedophilia laws Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc. Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com #1 Clayton, my man... You are a tad out of touch.... First, gay comunities all over the country are in the process of excluding NAMBLA from parades etc. #2 Nobody from NAMBLA is gonna get a job in a day care centre. The same liberals you are upset about are also passing laws that make tough background checks for childcare people. #3 Tell me, how would you feel if your employer fired you for your antigay post on the internet? Would you be upset ? I`ll bet you would be pissed! To some, your posts ,ight make the company look bad. While your posts offend me I dont think it would be right for you to get fired over it. I dont believe the gay comunity is asking for hiring quotas like the affirmative action laws of the 60's did. My understanding is that the gay community just wants the same rights the srtraights have. I dont think people should have their leases cancelled when their landlord finds out they are gay. I dont think that when someone sees someone walk out of a gay business and then blabs it all over work that the gay person gets fired. Do you REALLY think these are justified ? #4 Clayton, I am told you are a parent a couple times over. Have you been following the strip in the paper ""For Better or For Worse"" ? I honestly want your opinion as a parent on the strip. Do you really care about your childeren as much as friends of mine tell me ? How much do you care about your childeren ? How much do you care about other people's childeren? Do you care about MY childeren? Do you care about my sister's childeren ? If one of your kids told you he/she was gay, would you throw them out of your home in the middle of the night? Would you approve of your childeren driving down to San Francisco to trow bottles at and beat up on gay people? Would you condone your childeren beating up on someone elses childeren ? I await your answers to these queastions. PLease no flaming... This is to be a civilised discussion, from one father to another. " 7660,10,"From: wsa@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warren S. Arbogast) Subject: Re: Spelling Error on the Stanley Cup?? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 24 r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu writes: > I was reading a newspaper tidbit that mentioned that there is a > grammatical error on the Stanley Cup. This newspaper, ""The > Union Leader"" (Manchester, New Hampshire), stated that one of the > years that the New York Islanders won the cup, the printing on the > actual cup stated ""New York Ilanders"". Can anyone verify this?? I > forgot the exact year that this supposedly occured. Any die-hard > Islander fans know about this?? The reason why I am asking is > because the paper is not very reliable, we call it ""The Union > Mis-leader"". > > > Randy > Plymouth State College > r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu Speaking of spelling errors on the Cup, I wonder if the ""h"" in Pittsburgh made it to the Cup. You know how funny people can be about spelling Pittsburgh. -- Warren Arbogast Darden Visual Communications ""with 10 miles behind them University of Virginia and 10,000 more to go"" " 7661,10,"From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) Subject: Minnesota recalls McGowan (HELP!!!) Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Derian Hatcher's game-misconduct penalty was rescinded by the NHL, allowing the Minnesota defenseman to play in the North Stars' last two regular-season games. Hatcher was given the penalty during a fight at the end of a loss at St. Louis on Sunday, April 11. But the league didn't rescind the game-misconduct penalty Shane Churla received. The Stars recalled center Cal McGowan from their top minor league club in Kalamazoo, Mich., to replace Churla. The above is courtesy of The Washington Times on-line service. Now, here's where I need help. If anyone out there has a tape of Tuesday's Chicago-Minnesota game, please contact me. Terms will be favorable. Also, if anyone can tape tonight's Minnesota-Detroit game, please contact me. This could be quite important. Once again, I will make it worth your trouble. Thanks to all. -- rec.sport.hockey contact for Minnesota North Stars and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file Mitch McGowan a.k.a. | KALAMAZOO WINGS | MINNESOTA NORTH STARS | hamlet@u.washington.edu | ST. KILDA SAINTS | TORONTO BLUE JAYS | " 7662,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 13 In article s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes: > Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL >franchise in the first place! >Whatta weird town!!!!! Whatta ass!!!!! -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 7663,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 29 In article <01050810.vkcsbl@mbeckman.mbeckman.com> mbeckman@mbeckman.com writes: > As an economist, I'm sure you can see the flaws in this logic. If the (naive) >market is flooded with proprietary, but weak, encryption, then truly strong >encryption will be unable to compete. This is true for the mass market, but not for those who need strong crypto and are willing to pay the price. After all, one can buy strong crypto today if one is willing to spend enough. Thus the concern is not economic. The issue most worth worrying about is that after the system takes hold, the government will outlaw other systems, and something voluntary will become the only system available. That is a political, not an economic issue. As a separate matter, you may be making an implied advocacy for cheap secure crypto for everyone. It's true that the Clipper chip would probably prevent that except via Clipper, but ""cheap, secure crypto for everyone"" is a political discussion, not an economic one, and the whole point of Clipper is to resolve that political (policy) tension between securing legitimate communications and tapping the crooks. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 7664,18,"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) Subject: Re: CLINTON: President to Nominate Carter for Nuclear Security Post Organization: HSH Associates Lines: 28 In article <1qgbljINNn4o@life.ai.mit.edu>, Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) writes: > > THE WHITE HOUSE > Office of the President > For Immediate Release April 13, 1993 > > PRESIDENT TO NOMINATE CARTER FOR NUCLEAR SECURITY No, no, no! Bill, please, don't nominate ANYone who pronounces it ""noo-q-lar""! Jimmy always used to drive everyone nuts when he did that! And don't let Amy anywhere near! And... > (Washington, DC) The President announced today that he intends > to nominate Ashton Carter, the Director of Harvard's Center for > Science and International Affairs, to be Assistant Secretary of > Defense for Nuclear Security and Counter-Proliferation. {Emily Litella voice} ...never mind. ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. " 7665,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs.. Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 53 Mark Kromer, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:42:46 GMT wibbled: : In an article rtaraz@bigwpi (Ramin Taraz) wrote: : >Does the ""amount of exhaust allowed to leave the engine through the : >exhaust pipe"" make that much of a difference? the amount of air/fuel : >mixture that a cylender sucks in (tries to suck in) depends on the : >speed of the piston when it goes down. : ...and the pressure in the cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke. : With a poor exhaust system, this pressure may be above atmospheric. : With a pipe that scavenges well this may be substantially below : atmospheric. This effect will vary with rpm depending on the tune of : the pipe; some pipes combined with large valve overlap can actually : reverse the intake flow and blow mixture out of the carb when outside : the pipes effective rev range. : >Now, my question is which one provides more resistence as far as the : >engine is conserned: : >) resistance that the exhaust provides : >) or the resistance that results from the bike trying to push itself and : > the rider : Two completely different things. The state of the pipe determines how : much power the motor can make. The load of the bike determines how : much power the motor needs to make. : -- : - )V(ark)< FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic : You're welcome. Well I, for one, am so very glad that I have fuel injection! All those needles and orifices and venturi and pressures... It's worse than school human biology reproduction lessons (sex). Always made me feel a bit queasy. -- Nick (the Simple Minded Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Tube Rider M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 7666,18,"From: smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) Subject: The Manitoban Candidate In-Reply-To: bross@sandbanks.cosc.brocku.ca's message of 10 Apr 93 23:10:23 GMT Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University <1993Apr10.231023.19680@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> Lines: 18 bross@sandbanks.cosc.brocku.ca (Brian Ross) writes: > In the world of the future, Bill Clinton will appoint Canadians to > govern all American institutions (starting with the American health > care system). We will be benevolent Canadian dictators. With yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to pay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect that the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American shadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some time between 1966 and 1968, tutored him in the ways of Canadian socialism, awarded him with smokeless marijuana cigarettes when he got the correct answers, then returned him to the states (under the control of the domineering wife assigned to his case) to attain high public office and destroy the evil individualistic and free market forces in America, thus shaping America in the Canadian image. Steven Smith " 7667,5,"From: rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) Subject: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock) Organization: The Internet Lines: 19 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi. I've looked in the FAQ and the O-Reilly books and was unable to find (an easy) means of finding out the state of state keys such as CapsLock and NumLock. I can certainly track the events inside of my window and set a boolean there, but what if CapsLock is pressed in another window? I looked at XGrabKey() and decided it was definitely NOT what I wanted to do. I could find no convenience function to tell me that information. My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user presses shift-a, I'd like to get a lowercase 'a' instead of 'A'. Any input is greatly appreciated. Please respond via email. I will repost a summary of my findings. Thanks, Ralph " 7668,1,"From: patrick@Erc.MsState.Edu (Patrick Bridges) Subject: Re: Diamond Stelth 24- any good? In-Reply-To: hintmatt@cwis.isu.edu's message of 23 Apr 1993 07:24:32 -0600 Nntp-Posting-Host: andy.erc.msstate.edu Organization: /merlin-home2/patrick/.organization Lines: 7 The real problem w/ the Stealth from what I've heard is that Diamond won't tell anyone how to program their proprietary clock stuff, so X under Linux and 386BSD won't run.... Patrick Bridges patrick@erc.msstate.edu " 7669,9,"From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: > In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >>humor us. Thanks for your help. >> >>Thanks. >>Bobby > > > > Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish > faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world > series games because of Yom Kippur) > I thought that was Sandy Koufax. Sam > > > -- > Pablo Iglesias > pi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu > " 7670,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Chances are the government has thought of this, and ""just anyone"" won't > be permitted access to enough of the internals to make a ""fake"" clipper > chip. Once the chips are released (in phones, or whatever), they are vulnerable to phsyical inspection and observation. Now, I will grant that there will no doubt be safeguards against ""peeling"" the chip, but the NSA has no monopoly on cleverness. The chip, and the algorithms it uses, will not remain secret for very long. Any university with a VLSI lab has the required equipment, as does any offshore semiconductor manufacturer. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 7671,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 12 In article bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say. Read the FAQ first, watch the list fr some weeks, and come back then. And read some other books on the matter in order to broaden your view first. Benedikt " 7672,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...] Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Keywords: NHL, awards Lines: 80 In article <1993Apr14.165617.3215@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes: > In article <1993Apr13.144030.28994@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes: > > >So Roussel was giving up almost another goal a game while facing a proportional > >number of shots for the number of minutes he played, and while I have't > >actually checked I believe that he faced a lower quality of opponent. > > Make that less than half a goal a game. The lower quality of opponet > argument is immaterial as neither Roussel nor Soderstrom had any say in > the matter. That was Dineen's decision. So in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out the Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on, Joe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant. Why they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams is better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two goaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good teams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two goaltenders. > > The fact of the matter is that, despite last nights shutout, he doesn't > > have what it takes. Last night was due to an inept Ranger team much more > > than Roussel's skill. A 3 on 1 and they don't get a shot away? A 2 on none > > and one guy just passes and stops, the other guy shoots into Roussel's pad? > > C'mon, Pete? So the Rangers were inept. A shutout is a shutout. During > both of Soderstrom's masterpieces against Toronto, Mike Emerich was quoted > as saying he didn't think the Leafs had much offensive firepower past their > first line. Does that make Soderstrom's shutouts less impressive because of > Toronto's lack of offense? YES IT DOES! Absolutely. **In the context of comparing two goaltenders**. Of course, at the end of the season 2 points is 2 points no matter how you get them. And on the score sheets shutouts are shutouts. But if you're a coach deciding between two goalies, or a GM looking to make a trade, you have got to look deeper than the stat sheets. I didn't see the second Toronto game, but the first one was a defensive masterpiece. There was nothing in that game to judge Tommy Soderstrom on because he wasn't tested. The same for Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a great play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If you were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by. But if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie stand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel doesn't have a game like that in him. > Well if you look back to November when Roussel was the #1 goalie (Soderstrom > was being treated for his heart ailment). The Flyers finished November at > 6-3-1 and were 9-10-4 overall. And there's no way of knowing where the Flyers > would have finished if Soderstom wasn't wearing the oragne 'n black. I'm glad > we don't have to find out anytime soon either because he is one hell of a > player. I would take him over Roussel right now, but I still think Dom has > what it takes to be the #1 guy. He outperformed Hextall enough during the > '91-92 season to make Flyers management think that way too. Don't be so sure of that. FLYERS management never says bad thing about Roussel, but they don't say too much on the good side either. I've seen at least two interviews where every time Farwell was asked how happy he was to have two good goaltenders, it was Tommy this, Tommy that, and oh, yeah, Dom has played well too. > By the way, what was the final card on Monday night? Team picture by any > chance? FLYERS in the NHL Hall of Fame. Kinda dull, really. They handed out a team picture to everybody who walked in from Pizza Hut, but it was the same picture they sold in the programs in mid-season. Had names like Benning, Kasper... > And how did the Flyers choose the fans who received ""the shirts off our > backs?"" Winning Recchi's jersey after breaking the club's single season > point record would have been nice. But knowing your luck you would have > won Roussel's:-)! Mostly random seat locations, some were given out by having certain autographs on the team photos. I don't like that method since I've seen guards help out people get things like Lindros pictures, surely if they got their hands on an autographed picture they'd hold 'em for their buddies. pete clark " 7673,4,"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Serial Line connection between Duo 210 and PC??? Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all News-Software: Usenet 3.1 Lines: 45 I have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection between a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on the Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on the PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware ahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing has allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS. In general, I can type back and forth with no trouble, but only if both sides are set to speeds OVER 9600 baud. I cannot send files from the Mac to the PS at all, and file transfers from the Duo to the PS are not possible. When I do a straight ascii send, I can send from the PS to the Duo flawlessly. I can send Binhex files this way quite fast, and I know that the transmission is error free. But straight ascii sent from the Mac to the PS is full of errors. Unless, of course, I do text pacing so slow that it is like human typing. (well, like 2-3 times faster than human typing). I would like to hear from ANYONE who has been able to transfer files from a Duo 210 to a PS via modem or null modem. If you can do it, please tell me your EXACT combination of hardware and software. Obviously, I am talking of a true serial port modem, not the express modem. Maybe some kind soul with access to a modem and a Duo 210 can check this out for me. Right now, I am of the opinion that it won't work at high speeds because of the power interrupts on the Duo, and it won't work at low speeds because of some crazy reason I don't understand. Could I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information out the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a sys-ex dump? Could anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE. I wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos, or just me. Yes, I have checked the cable 1,000,000 times. And not only can I type back and forth, but Zterm alerts the users if s/he uses hardware handshaking and CTS is down. So I know that hardware handshaking is working. And also, According to Zterm port stats, the buffer never overflows. Please help me figure out what's going on... Scott Petrack Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com " 7674,9,"Subject: Re: Mike Francesa's 1993 Predictions From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) <1993Apr2.171819.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> <1993Apr5.123904.17806@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> <1993Apr5.162835.1003@Princeton.EDU> Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken Lines: 9 hmm - i thought francesca's predictions ALWAYS hovered at or below .500, especially in the nfl. (not counting college football bowl day). he's a nice analyst for explaining past tense, and for mapping out what plays teams might do - but for predicting the future, he only looks good whne compared to russo. - bob gaj " 7675,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: DEC pixmap size Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <1964@igd.fhg.de>, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes: |> I've got a problem concerning the maximum size of X pixmaps in DECwindows. |> |> I am using a DECstation 5000/200 running ULTRIX V4.2 (Rev. 96) System #2 |> and UWS V4.2 (Rev. 272) (DECwindows). Our color display has 1280x1024 |> pixels. |> |> |> On other hardware (HP, SGI) I am able to allocate much larger pixmaps. |> |> Did anyone have similar problems before or does onyone know how I can |> configre my system to allow for larger pixmaps? |> |> Any suggestins are welcome. Please send mail to "" haase@igd.fhg.de "". |> DEC does this only for their PX and PXG servers, known as 3D accelerators. This boards have local offscreen memory which is limited and slow to handle, thus they set this limit. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 7676,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: >In article <1qhpcn$b12@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >>Consider a similar structure: >>""A well-educated electorate, being necessary for the security of a >>free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not >>be infringed."" >> >>Now, does this mean only the electorate can keep and read books? Does{ >>it mean only registered voters can keep and read books? Does it mean >>only those who have voted can keep and read books? Does it imply any >>restrictions AT ALL on the right to keep and read books? > >But it would imply that the state had the right to regulate and enforce >education. That's nice, but it doesn't answer the question. There is a difference between ""the feds can mandate literacy"" and ""the feds can't interfere with literacy/book possession"". >>As far as ""John Q. Public with a gun,"" the Supreme Court has already >>ruled in cases such as US v. Miller (307 U.S. 175 (1939)), and US v. >>Verdugo-Urquidez (110 S. Ct. 1839 (1990)) that that is EXACTLY what >>the amendment protects. This interpretation can be found as far back >>as the Dred Scott case, in 1857. > >It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction >of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun >was not a proper militia weapon. Therefore, US vs. Miller supports >limited government regulation of firearms. Actually, the Miller court did nothing of the kind. It remanded the case back to the trial court because the miller court didn't know if the weapon in question was a militia weapon. (Doesn't it bother anyone that a major constitutional issue was taken up in a case where there was no defense? Miller had been released by the appeals court and disappeared - only the govt was represented.) We don't know what would have happened with the reasonable ""all guns are militia weapons"" argument. -andy -- " 7677,2,"From: jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) Subject: Workspace Manager for Win 3.1 ? Organization: Zikzak Public Access UNIX, Melbourne Australia Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au Are there any Workspace Managers out there for Windows 3.1 ? By a Workspace Manager, I mean something like the HP APOLLO Workstations have - multiple workspaces under X. There is a window at the bottom of the screen which allows you to select different workspaces. It overcomes the problem of having stacks of windows open on the one screen. Instead, you can spread them amongst different workspaces which act like independent screens, and you can flick between them. Thanks in advance. " 7678,12,"From: adler@netcom.com (Bruce Adler) Subject: Re: IBM-PC XT switch settings Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 26 In article <1qk158$kcp@bigbird.hri.com> obrien@bigbird.hri.com writes: >I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true >IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions >of the 2 8 position dip switches? SW8,SW7 number of 5.25"" drives 0,0 1 drive 0,1 2 drives 1,0 3 drives 1,1 4 drives SW6,SW5 type of display 0,0 reserved 0,1 40x25 color (mono mode) 1,0 80x25 color (mono mode) 1,1 mono 80x25 SW4,SW3 amount of memory on system board 64k chips 256k chips 0,0 64k 256k 0,1 128k 512k 1,0 192k 576k 1,1 256k 640k SW2 co-processor installed SW1 loop on POST " 7679,9,"From: mebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (MsciDave) Subject: Re: Young Catchers News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 Reply-To: mebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu Organization: LSU news Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-681]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu Lines: 47 >mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: > >>Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their >>clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the >>Braves for this year. >>Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid >>abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out >>runners. This is the crux of the argument (to me at least). Both the SDCN and the non-SDCN camps seem to agree on the fact that a catcher's defense is basically nonmeasurable at present. You can talk about how important calling a game is, or framing the pitches, or blocking balls in the dirt. But there is little or no way to tell exactly how various catcher's rank in ""defense"". Looking at Lopez specifically; is there any reason to suspect that he is a bad defensive catcher other then the fact that the Braves (or the media) has labeled him a bad defensive catcher? As far as I can tell he doesn't have any particular problem in his mechanics (such as Sasser). He might be a little rough around the edges in blocking the ball, or framing the pitch to get a good call but all he needs to clear that up is playing and practice time. I can't see how repetitions at AAA are any better then reps in the majors! All we're left with is the calling the game aspect. Olsen and Berryhill at always given credit for calling good games and helping the pitchering staff. But this is a reputation that is given to almost all veteran catchers. How is catching at AAA going to help Lopez learn the major league pitching staff? The only way any catcher is going to learn Tom Glavine's pitches is to catch Tom Glavine. Similarly, I wouldn't be supprised if the pitcher's claimed to prefer pitching to Olsen over pitching to Lopez because they are used to pitching to Olsen. But given time they will say they are comfortable with Lopez. Now, since Lopez can't learn how to handle the major league pitcher's while he's in AAA and since he doesn't have any glaring problem in his mechanics, what is he going to learn in AAA that he can't learn just as well while in the majors? Dave __________ Dave Bonar mebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu __________ " 7680,4,"From: carsona@fraser.sfu.ca (Debra Carson) Subject: (Q) buying Advice Keywords: Ziffnet/mac buy advice stack Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 22 Does anyone have a version of ""Which Mac Do I Buy?"" that is later than v 1.3.1? I no longer have access the ZiffNet/Mac, accessed through CompuServe, to check for myself. ""Which Mac..."" is a HyperCard stack that assists in decision making based on budget, features, and main software used. Please let me know if you can help me out. Download from CompuServe should not cost much if a higher speed modem is used. Stack, compressed, is about 125KB? Thanks for any help... Dale carsona@sfu.ca . " 7681,1,"From: nahess@mir.gatech.edu (Nicholas A. Hess) Subject: Hitatchi Raster Format (HRF)? Organization: USGS Center for Spatial Analysis Technologies Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.gatech.edu Keywords: HRF Our shop uses a package called CADCore - very good - to scan and subsequently vectorize original maps into digital maps. The problem is that once the raster file is loaded into the CADCore package, a header is added to the .HRF file which makes it unreadable by the supplied converter. We would like to be able to ship some of the already-altered raster images for further use on our workstations. So, here are my questions: (1) What is the Hitachi format? - I need this format so I can recognize precisely what to strip out. I strongly suspect that it's a compressed format - if so, then t might not be possible for me to strip out the offending header. (2) Are there any UNIX packages that read and recognize HRF? It would be really nice to find some sort of ""hrftopbm"" converter out there. ;) I've already searched some of the more well-known ftp sites which contain graphics formats documentation, with no luck. So, if you know, or knwo someone who knows - please email! Thanks. " 7682,11,"From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Inland Sea Lines: 17 smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: >Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack >has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that >hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build >a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium that could index and archive it. -- ""Shadwell hated all southerners and, by inference, was standing at the North Pole."" -- ""Good Omens"", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett " 7683,5,"From: clark@thinker.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark) Subject: Changing OLWM icons Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering Lines: 8 Distribution: world Reply-To: clark@thinker.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark) NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.247.2.37 I was wondering if it's possible to change the window icons OLWM uses for things like xterm. Most of the defaults are pretty lame. Any answer (or where I can find one) would be most appreciated. Thanks Matt Clark " 7684,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 29 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) wrote: > > In article <115694@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > >I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how > >deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be > >the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. > > From the point ov view of an atheist, I see you claim Khomeini wasn't > practicing true Islam. But I'm sure that he would have said the same about > you. How am I, a member of neither group, supposed to be able to tell which > one of you two is really a true Muslim? Fred Rice answered this already in an early posting: ""The problem with your argument is that you do not _know_ who is a _real_ believer and who may be ""faking it"". This is something known only by the person him/herself (and God). Your assumption that anyone who _claims_ to be a ""believer"" _is_ a ""believer"" is not necessarily true."" In other words it seems that nobody could define who is a true and false Muslim. We are back to square one, Khomeini and Hussein are still innocent and can't be defined as evil or good Islamic worshippers. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 7685,14,"From: apryan@vax1.tcd.ie Subject: Cosmos 2238 Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College Dublin Lines: 11 I need as much information about Cosmos 2238 and its rocket fragment (1993- 018B) as possible. Both its purpose, launch date, location, in short, EVERYTHING! Can you help? -Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address). (WORLD'S LARGEST ASTRO. SOC. per capita - unless you know better? 0.033%) Tel: 0891-88-1950 (UK/N.Ireland) 1550-111-442 (Eire). Cost up to 48p per min " 7686,16,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 27 mpetro@brtph126.bnr.ca (Myron Petro P030) writes: >>Ron Miller wrote: >>When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback >>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >>""no, it's total amnesty"". > (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted) > I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is >no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing. > > > Myron Petro > NRA, USPSA > DVC y'all > ************************************************************************** > The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility. > And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the > Second Amendment. An interesting idea consider: At any locality where a buy-back program is being instituted, get a list of guns they received and compare serial numbers with a list of stolen guns and sue the people responsible for the program if those guns were destroyed. Criminal charges can also be made.( Receiving stolen property, destruction of private property etc.) " 7687,4,"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu Subject: General questions on software and hardware... Distribution: usa Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA Lines: 18 I have just been introduced to Macintosh systems. I have a few questions. E-mail prefered. 1) Just what is System 7? I want hard details not dingy commercials like their ads in magazines... 2) Has anyone used the Microsoft Office 3.0? I would like suggestions on, and descriptions on: * each has a microsoft before the actual name. a) *Word 5.1: b) *Excel 4.0: c) *Power Point: d) *Mail 3.1 3) What is the major differences between Mac Wordperfect and Word? Thanks a lot! " 7688,18,"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu Summary: GM's quest for justice News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes... > A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two >new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not >from the fire. > Thoughts? > It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start >denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led >to the previous ruling appear. > Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? >Shouldn't that be up to a jury? > And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk >shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for >a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? > Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? First, people should be aware that Brett's (no last name listed) posts on bit.listserv.politics indicate that he has been hostile toward GM's hiring policies and to the Moseley verdict when it came out. Equal opportunity disagreement, I guess. :-) My guess, without seeing the judge's opinion, is that GM's motion was denied on due diligence grounds. Otherwise, a party to a case could always keep one or two semi-credible witnesses in reserve to spring if they lose. Not exactly a way to promote repose. Daniel Reitman ""The Uniform Commercial Code protects the innocent purchaser, but it is not a shield for the sly conniver, the blindly naive, or the hopelessly gullible."" Atlas Auto Rental Corp. v. Weisberg, 54 Misc. 2d 168, 172, 281 N.Y.S.2d 400, 405 (N.Y. City Civ. Ct. 1967). " 7689,3,"From: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com (E. Wong) Subject: Help with 24bit mode for ATI Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA Lines: 16 I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However, when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture. With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong? Is it the card, or is it the software? -- Thanks 8) _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ user's name: Edward Wong Internet: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com telephone: (508) 870-9352 " 7690,15,"From: rich0043@student.tc.umn.edu (Timothy Richardson) Subject: Re: Seeking Christian opinion, all sorts. Organization: Pygmalion Productions Lines: 22 Subject: Re: Seeking Christian opinion, all sorts. From: Rob Steele, rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu Date: 5 May 93 06:52:54 GMT >Do you mean that your fellow Christians tend to find you wacky? Maybe >they're right. You might be interested in Franky Schaeffer's books >about what philistines American Christians are: _Addicted to >Mediocrity_ and more recently _Sham Pearls for Real Swine_. One day a few years ago Franky Schaeffer walked into a Greek Orthodox Church. He is now an Orthodox Christian. So is his mother and if his father, Fransis Schaeffer, had not passed away he too would have come into the church. Franky, like many Americans who have recently found the Orthodox church, described the experience as finally coming home after a long jouney through a desert. You should also read the book ""Becoming Orthodox"" by Peter Gillquist. It describes the long journey of some 2000 weary Evangelical Protestants to the Orthodox church. Come taste and see how good the Lord is. Timothy Richardson rich0043@student.tc.umn.edu " 7691,12,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Cicuit Cellar Ink - Extras 4 Trade Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu Fellow Info-junkies, I have an extra CCI #27 (Real Time Programming/Embedded Sensors & Storage) and an extra CCI #32 (Voice control of telescope, among other articles). No labels. No torn, cut-up, or missing pages. Would like to trade for CCI # 26, or CCI # 23, or CCI # 19 in same condition (Labels OK). I mail mine you mail yours mutual trust kinda thang OK? You don't actually throw them away, do you? Thanx, Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu " 7692,5,"From: ewang@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Wang) Subject: Widget source code needed Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu I'm considering writing my own widgets, but I like to have some sample widget source code to look over first. Where could I find something like this? Are there any archives accessible by anonymous ftp that contain such information? Thanks, Edward " 7693,5,"From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy) Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411 Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: I-NET Inc. Lines: 27 In article qfe00WB2QzZ7EZ@andrew.cmu.edu, Wilson Swee () writes: |> I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as |>well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me |>undefined ld errors: |>_sin |>_cos |>_pow |>_floor |>_get_wmShellWidgetClass |>_get_applicationShellWidgetClass |> |>The following libraries that I linked it to are: |>-lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 |> |>The makefile is generated off an imake template. |>Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on |>a sun4_411? Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after -lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start. --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov " 7694,12,"From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr14.174857.28314@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes: }In article <1993Apr14.153740.18542@nimbus.com>, jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) writes: }|> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer. }|> }|> 1. Mechanical driven odometer: }|> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission. }|> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over. }|> Continue until the desired mileage is reached. }|> }|> 2. Electronically driven odometer: }|> Remove the sensor wire from the sensor. }|> Attach the Calibration out signal from an Oscope to the wire. }|> Run until the speedo turns over and attains the desired mileage. } }Dear Faster.. I kinda wonder.. have you ever tried version 2? On what? }Since the sensor wire on a BMW feeds also into the computer.. and we }don't know what signal voltage is expected from it.. bad things }*could* happen... also since we don't know the pulse rate, we }may damage the analog part of the speedo (yes.. BMW uses a combined }instrument.. speed in analog, trip and total milage is digital) with }the needle pegged up against the 160MPH stop.. } }Just a thought... You've got the oscilliscope, so you connect it up to the sensor wire and measure this stuff. That way you know what it expects. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu Some news readers expect ""Disclaimer:"" here. Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force. (not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice) " 7695,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 21 In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: > >Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the >literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains >tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might >potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. >Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a ""corn festival"". We pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as ""acute corn intoxication."" -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7696,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: Compiling help Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 15 Here's what I (think) have figured out. All I need to do is install the R5 disitribution without the Xserver like the sony.cf file defines, and all the new libraries, utils, etc., will be installed and my old server from r4 will still work. This will allow me to run Xview 3.0, and have X11r5 up and running. Does the server interface remain the same with all changes made only to the libs? Another question: Is it likely that since Sun is dropping OW support that the desktop utils (like the file manager) will be made public? It would be nice if companies would make old code public for the benefit of those of us with smaller budgets. :) -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 7697,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: New Name for the Stanley Cup Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 56 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr2.202146.22837@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: > >Of course we need new position names for those unable to remember the >very complicated hockey terminology: > >Old Name New Name >-------- -------- > >Centre The Guy in the Middle >Left Wing The Guy on the Left >Right Wing The Guy on the Right >Defenceman The Guy Back There >Goaltender The Guy in the Net (or ""cage"", as my mother calls it) >Referee The Guy with the Whistle >Linesman The Guy with the Arms >Coach The Guy in the Suit >GM The Head Guy >Puck The Black Thing >Red Line The Line in the Middle >Blue Line The Line on the Side >Crease The Place in front of the Guy in the Net >Faceoff Circle The Round Thing Where They Stand >Slot or Point Over There (must point to accompany term) >Bench The Place Where They Sit >Penalty Box The Place Where They Sit When They're Bad Mr. Bettman The Guy in the Wrong Sport Mr. Stein The Guy Who Should Be In Charge But Isn't Of course, we also need new names for the individual awards, and other stuff like the President's Cup. President's Cup The Trophy Given To the Best Regular-Season Team Hart winner The Most Valuable Player, chosen from the Guys in the Middle, the Guys on the Right, the Guys on the Left, the Guys Back There, and the Guy in the Net, though typically given only to the Guys in the Middle and the Guys on the Left and on the Right Norris winner The Best Guy in the back; or, the Guy who was awarded for something even though he is not one of the Guys in the Middle or on the Left or the Right ...ad nauseum. :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 " 7698,18,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Re: Debating special ""hate crimes"" laws Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu In article <1993Apr4.235546.6450@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said: > > This sort [of] separate treatment by the law has no place in an > > equal society; the solution to the fact that some classes are more > > vulnerable to attack or discrimination is to do what has always > > been done in response to imbalances in criminal activity and > > citizen protection: to allocate _law enforcement_ resources to > > more efficiently and effectively deal with the problems, not to > > rewrite the _law_ itself. [wdstarr] > > So how do you feel about increased penalties for killing a policeman? > A federal employee? Or to use both Scalia's and Stevens's example, > increased penalties for threatening the president? (I'm assuming > that, like all good people, you oppose the marital exemption for rape, > so I won't bring that up.) In order of your questions, I oppose it, I oppose it, I oppose it and (Huh? Wha? Where did _that_ topic come from and what's it got to do with the discussion at hand? :-) When I was discussing the concept of different criminal laws for crimes against different classes of people (and yes, I do consider laws which allow/mandate enhanced penalties following conviction based upon the convict's attitudes towards the class membership of the victim to fit into that category), the category of classes I had in mind was that of the standard civil rights discussion -- classes based upon race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Having you ask about classes based upon one's _profession_ rather than one's personal characteristics caught me off guard, and I had to think out the question from scratch. What I finally decided was that the law should not recognize such classes because to do so would be to formally and officially declare some people to be of more worth than others, and that would be anathema to the underlying American concept of equal treatment under the law. Last year, when a federal crime bill was under consideration which would have expanded the federal death penalty to an additional fifty-plus crimes, including the murder of various federal officers hitherto not protected by that ""aura of deterrence,"" critics pointed out the absurdity of having laws which made the death penalty available for the murder of a federal postal inspector but not for ther murder of a civilian teacher, when the latter [arguably] provided a much more valueable service and therefore would be the greater loss to society. This was an emotionally compelling argument, but even the proponents of that viewpoint appeared to tacitly assume that the state should judge some lives as being more valuable than others on the basis of their ""contribution to society."" I view that doctrine as being both (a) personally repugnant and (b) repugnant to the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Accordingly, I believe that there should be no laws which give any profession-based class of people special protection (via the mechanism of supplying stronger statutory deterrence of crimes against members of that class), not even police officers, federal officers or high-ranking members of the Executive Branch of the federal government. -- William December Starr " 7699,8,"From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) Subject: Re: story Keywords: PARTY!!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: camellia Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc. Lines: 20 >lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes: > >>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the >>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of >>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The >>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The >>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY? > > >And still we wonder why they stereotype us... > >-Erc. Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype. If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so. Lynn Hall - NOS Bros " 7700,19,"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 106 Okay, I'll bite. I should probably leave this alone, but what the heck... In article <1993Apr14.124301.422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: >In article popec@brewich.hou.tx.us >(Pope Charles) writes: > >>Rhoemer was the name of the guy responsible for much of the uniforms, >>and props used by the early Nazis in their rallies and such. > >The name is Roehm, not Rhoemer. And Hitler does claim that he came up >with the Swastika business. But didn't he credit the actual flag design to a party member - some dentist or other? I believe he gives such credit in Mein Kampf. >>He was killed in an early Nazi purge. He and many of his associates >>were flaming homosexuals well know also for their flamboyant orgies. > >I have been trying to find if there is any actual evidence for this >common assertion recently. Postings to such groups as soc.history and >soc.culture.german has not uncovered any net.experts who could provide >any. Well, I'm no expert, but all of the histories of Nazi Germany assert this. They make reference to several scandals that occurred long before ""the night of the long knives"". The impression that I got was that homosexuality in portions of the SA was common knowledge. Also, a book (by a homosexual author whose name escapes me at the moment) called ""Homosexuals in History"" asserts that Roehm and Heines were homosexuals, as well as others in Roehm's SA circle. >All the books say that Roehm and his associate, Edmund Heines, >were homosexual. I have been able to find nothing beyond that, and >suspect this to be a sort of historical urban legend. Well, you're the one who is in Germany. If you don't believe the history books, look up the primary sources yourself. Those of us outside of Germany do not have access to these. You do. It seems to me that there were plenty of documented instances - several scandals, the fact that on the ""knight of the long knives"" several SA members (including Heines) were found sleeping together, etc. Also I believe some people were complaining about the SA's homosexual activities (seducing young boys, etc). The histories that I've read make a very convincing case. None of this sounds like urban legend to me. >(Irving, a >notoriously unreliable historian, says that Funk, the Nazi finance >minister, was homosexual. He gives no sources.) I know next to nothing about Irving and nothing about Funk. What precisely do you know, that would contradict all of the other history books that I have read concerning the existence of homosexual Nazis? Are you trying to say that all historians are taking part in an anti-homosexual smear? What about homosexual writers who agree with the official history? Don't you think they would have found out the truth by now if Roehm and Heines were not homosexuals? I would think they would want to disassociate homosexuality from Nazism. No one should use any connection between the two to bash homosexuals in any case. >I challenge anyone to document this claim. If you are going to challenge *all* historians on this point (not just Irving), then the burden of proof is on you. Track down the references. Find out where the stories originate from. Again, you are the one in Germany, close to archival material - most people on the net are not. >I *have* found a great >deal of evidence that there were many flaming heterosexuals among the >Nazis. This seems to include all of the worst ones--Hitler, Himmler, >Goebbels, Goering, Heydrich, Eichmann, and many more. Eh? What is your agenda here? To prove that the Nazis were heterosexuals, so that you can bash heterosexuals? Does it bother you that some of the Nazis might have been homosexuals? Does this make all homosexuals bad if this is true? Of course not. And what about bisexuals? Are they half-Nazis? I don't know why it would be so difficult to believe that some Nazis were homosexuals. The German officer corps before WW1, for instance, was notorious for its homosexuality. There were numerous scandals which rocked the German govt. during the late 19th and early 20th century. Many of the Kaiser's friends were prosecuted - the Kaiser was no homosexual, but the Germany army had a long tradition of tolerating homosexuality, going far back into Prussian history - back to Frederick the Great at least, who was himself a homosexual. Roehm was a product of this Prussian officer tradition, and the old German army (like the English public school system), being a well known center of homosexuality, would have been quite willing to overlook Roehm's homosexuality. In addition, some Nazis complained of homosexuality in the Hitler Youth. The Hitler Youth swallowed up all pre-Nazi youth groups, and some of the various pre-war Vandervogel, Bund, and Volkish youth groups were known to promote homoerotic ideals and friendship, and in many cases, homosexuality itself. So it seems to me not unlikely that there were plenty of homosexual Nazis, regardless of the official Nazi dogmas concerning the ""evils"" of homosexuality. Why should this suprise anyone? Homosexuality has always existed, in all societies - it would be most unusual if the Nazis were an exception. No, I don't have any sources for you, as I think the only kind of proof you will accept would be citations from archival material, and I do not have access to these. Nor do I intend to reread every book on the Nazis and on modern homosexuality that I have ever read - I don't have the time. Nothing is stopping you, however, from chasing down those sources. Until you prove otherwise, though, I will stick with the established histories. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) ""...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly of us in days hereafter..."" (Ezra Pound) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ " 7701,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: >So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front >ends. This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without clipper? David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 7702,5,"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 2/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 929 Archive-name: x-faq/part2 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 24)! How do I make a screendump or print my application? The xwd client in the X11 distributions can be used to select a window or the background. It produces an XWD-format file of the image of that window. The file can be post-processed into something useful or printed with the xpr client and your local printing mechanism. You can use this command: csh% sleep 10; xwd -root > output.xwd & and then spend 10 seconds or so setting up your screen; the entire current display will be saved into the file output.xwd. Note that xwd also has an undocumented (before R5) -id flag for specifying the window id on the command-line. [There are also unofficial patches on export to xwd for specifying the delay and the portion of the screen to capture.] Two publicly-available programs which allow interactive definition of arbitrary portions of the display and built-in delays are asnap and xgrabsc. There are several versions of xgrabsc; version 2.2, available on export [8/92] is the most recent. xsnap includes some asnap features and supersedes it; it also renders XPM output [version unknown]. It is available on export or avahi.inria.fr; see xsnap-pl2.tar.Z. A screen-dump and merge/edit program combining features of xwd and xpr is available from vernam.cs.uwm.edu as xdump1.0.tar.Z. Information: soft-eng@cs.uwm.edu. xprint, by Alberto Accomazzi (alberto@cfa.harvard.edu) is available from cfa0 (128.103.40.1) in xprint.export-2.1.tar.Z. To post-process the xwd output of some of these tools, you can use xpr, which is part of the X11 distribution. Also on several archives are xwd2ps and XtoPS, which produce Encapsulated PostScript with trimmings suitable for use in presentations (see export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/xwd2ps.tar.Z and contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z). Also useful is the PBMPLUS package on many archive servers; and the Xim package contains Level 2 color PostScript output. The XV program can grab a portion of the X display, manipulate it, and save it in one of the available formats. ImageMagick has similar capabilities. Also: Bristol Technology (info@bristol.com, 203-438-6969) offers Xprinter 2.0, an Xlib API for PostScript and PCL printers; a demo is on ftp.uu.net in vendor/Bristol/Xprinter. ColorSoft 9619-459-8500) offers OPENprint package includes a screen- capture facility, image-processing, and support for PostScript and non-PostScript printers. Some vendors' implementations of X (e.g. DECWindows and OpenWindows) include session managers or other desktop programs which include ""print portion of screen"" or ""take a snapshot"" options. Some platforms also have tools which can be used to grab the frame-buffer directly; the Sun systems, for example, have a 'screendump' program which produces a Sun raster file. Some X terminals have local screen-dump utilities to write PostScript to a local serial printer. Some vendors' implementations of lpr (e.g. Sony) include direct support for printing xwd files, but you'll typically need some other package to massage the output into a useful format which you can get to the printer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 25) How do I make a color PostScript screendump of the X display? If you need color PostScript in particular, you can - grab the screen-image using a program which can produce color PostScript, such as xgrabsc and xv - grab the screen-image using xwd and post-process xwd into color PS. You can do this using xwd2ps or the XtoPS program from the ImageMagick distribution. The PBMPLUS package is also good for this, as is the Xim package. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 26) How do I make a screendump including the X cursor? This can't be done unless the X server has been extended. Consider instead a system-dependent mechanism for, e.g., capturing the frame-buffer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 27) How do I convert/view Mac/TIFF/GIF/Sun/PICT/img/FAX images in X? The likeliest program is an incarnation of Jef Poskanzer's useful++ Portable Bitmap Toolkit, which includes a number of programs for converting among various image formats. It includes support for many types of bitmaps, gray-scale images, and full-color images. PBMPLUS has been updated recently; the most recent version [12/91] is on export in contrib/pbmplus10dec91.tar.Z. Another tool is San Diego Supercomputing Center's IMtools ('imconv' in particular), which packages the functionality of PBM into a single binary. It's available anonymous ftp from sdsc.edu (132.249.20.22). Useful for viewing some image-formats is Jim Frost's xloadimage, a version of which is in the R4 directory contrib/clients/xloadimage; there are later versions available, including contrib/xloadimage.3.03.tar.Z on export. Graeme Gill's updates to an earlier version of xloadimage are also on export; see xli.README and xli.tar.Z.uu; version 1.14 was released 2/93. xv (X Image Viewer), written by bradley@cis.upenn.edu (John Bradley), can read and display pictures in Sun Raster, PGM, PBM, PPM, X11 bitmap, TIFF, GIF and JPEG. It can manipulate on the images: adjust, color, intensity, contrast, aspect ratio, crop). It can save images in all of the aforementioned formats plus PostScript. It can grab a portion of the X display, manipulate on it, and save it in one of the available formats. The program was updated 5/92; see the file contrib/xv-2.21.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The Fuzzy Pixmap Manipulation, by Michael Mauldin . Conversion and manipulation package, similar to PBMPLUS. Version 1.0 available via FTP as nl.cs.cmu.edu:/usr/mlm/ftp/fbm.tar.Z, uunet.uu.net:pub/fbm.tar.Z, and ucsd.edu:graphics/fbm.tar.Z. The Img Software Set, by Paul Raveling , reads and writes its own image format, displays on an X11 screen, and does some image manipulations. Version 1.3 is available via FTP on expo.lcs.mit.edu as contrib/img_1.3.tar.Z, along with large collection of color images. The Utah RLE Toolkit is a conversion and manipulation package similar to PBMPLUS. Available via FTP as cs.utah.edu:pub/urt-*, weedeater.math.yale.edu:pub/urt-*, and freebie.engin.umich.edu:pub/urt-*. Xim, The X Image Manipulator, by Philip Thompson, does essential interactive displaying, editing, filtering, and converting of images. There is a version in the X11R4 contrib area; but a more recent version (using R4 and Motif 1.1) is available from gis.mit.edu (18.80.1.118). Xim reads/writes gif, xwd, xbm, tiff, rle, xim, (writes level 2 eps) and other formats and also has a library and command-line utilities for building your own applications. ImageMagick [2.3; 2/93] by cristy@dupont.com can be retrieved from export's contrib area. It is a collection of utilities to transform and display images on any X server. The tool uses the MIFF format; filters to and from MIFF from other popular formats (PPM, TIFF, GIF, SUN Raster, etc) are included. xtiff is a tool for viewing a TIFF file in an X window. It was written to handle as many different kinds of TIFF files as possible while remaining simple, portable and efficient. xtiff illustrates some common problems with building pixmaps and using different visual classes. It is distributed as part of Sam Leffler's libtiff package and it is also available on export.lcs.mit.edu, uunet.uu.net and comp.sources.x. [dbs@decwrl.dec.com,10/90] xtiff 2.0 was announced in 4/91; it includes Xlib and Xt versions. A version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool is available as contrib/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The package also includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12/91;5/92] [some material from Larry Carroll (larryc@poe.jpl.nasa.gov), 5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 28) How can I change the titlebar of my xterm window? The solution involves sending an escape sequence to xterm which will cause it to update the property which the window manager relies upon for the string which appears in the window titlebar. A solution is as easy as typing this in an xterm running a shell: echo ""ESC]2;TEXT^G"" where ESC is the escape key, TEXT is the string you wish to have displayed, and ^G is a Control-G (the BEL character). Here is a more complicated csh alias which changes the titlebar to the current working directory when you change directories: alias newcd 'cd \!*; echo -n ESC]2\;$cwd^G' The digit '2' in these strings indicates to xterm that it should change only the title of the window; to change both the title and the name used in the icon, use the digit '0' instead, and use '1' to change only the icon name. Note: another way to do this, which prevents an incorrect display of the local directory if a modified `cd` is used in a subshell, is to wrap the escape sequences into the PS1 prompt itself. Note: on an IBM RS/6000 is may be necessary to begin the sequence with a ^V. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 29) Where can I find the xterm control sequences? The best source of such information is in your R5 sources in the file ctlseqs.ms; a PostScript version is in mit/hardcopy/clients/ctlseqs.PS.Z. O'Reilly's Volume 3, the X User's Guide, includes an R5 version of the control sequences; the standard volume will be available 3/93, and a Motif version of the book is available now. The current (R4) guide includes an outdated version of the control sequences. [1/93] Other good sources of information include the R4 version of that document and also the file in the R4 sources called mit/clients/xterm/ctlseq2.txt, a compilation put together by Skip Montanaro (GE CR&D) listing the VT100 sequences. It dates from R3 but is fairly accurate. A hardcopy version was published in the December 1989 XNextEvent (the XUG newsletter). In a pinch, a VT100 manual will do. [last updated 10/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 30)- Why does the R3 xterm, et al, fail against the R4 server? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 31) How can I use characters above ASCII 127 in xterm ? In order to use special characters such as the o-umlaut, you need to ""stty pass8"" but also to use a charcell ISO8859 font, such as XTerm*font: -*-*-medium-r-normal-*-*-130-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 XTerm*boldfont: -*-*-bold-r-normal-*-*-130-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 [The family is intentionally unspecified in this example.] In addition, you may want to set this in your shell: setenv LC_CTYPE iso_8859_1 For a given character above 127, you can determine the key to use with the Alt modifier by finding the equivalent character below 127 (try using `man ascii`). For example, o-umlaut (v) is Alt-v and the section character (') is Alt-'. [thanks to Greg Holmberg (greg%thirdi@uunet.uu.net) and Stephen Gildea (gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu); 6/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 32) Why are my xterm menus so small? You are probably setting the geometry small accidentally. If you give a resource specification like this: xterm*geometry: 80x24 then you are asking for all widgets under xterm to have their geometry set to 80x24. For the main window, this is OK, as it uses characters for its size. But its popup menus don't; they are in pixels and show up small. To set only the terminal widget to have the specified geometry, name it explicitly: xterm*VT100.geometry: 80x24 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 33) How can I print the current selection? You could paste it into an xterm after executing the lpr command. However, a program by Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) specifically for manipulating the selection will help; e.g. % xselection PRIMARY | lpr finds the primary selection and prints it. This command can be placed in a window-manager menu or in shell-scripts. xselection also permits the setting of the selection and other properties. A version is on export. Also available is ria.ccs.uwo.ca:pub/xget_selection.tar.Z, which can be adapted to do this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 34) How does Xt use environment variables in loading resources? You can use several environment variables to control how resources are loaded for your Xt-based programs -- XFILESEARCHPATH, XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, and XAPPLRESDIR. These environment variables control where Xt looks for application-defaults files as an application is initializing. Xt loads at most one app-defaults file from the path defined in XFILESEARCHPATH and another from the path defined in XUSERFILESEARCHPATH. Set XFILESEARCHPATH if software is installed on your system in such a way that app-defaults files appear in several different directory hierarchies. Suppose, for example, that you are running Sun's Open Windows, and you also have some R4 X applications installed in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. You could set a value like this for XFILESEARCHPATH, and it would cause Xt to look up app-defaults files in both /usr/lib/X11 and /usr/openwin/lib (or wherever your OPENWINHOME is located): setenv XFILESEARCHPATH /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N:$OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N The value of this environment variable is a colon-separated list of pathnames. The pathnames contain replacement characters as follows (see XtResolvePathname()): %N The value of the filename parameter, or the application's class name. %T The value of the file ""type"". In this case, the literal string ""app-defaults"" %C customization resource (R5 only) %S Suffix. None for app-defaults. %L Language, locale, and codeset (e.g. ""ja_JP.EUC"") %l Language part of %L (e.g. ""ja"") %t The territory part of the display's language string %c The codeset part of the display's language string Let's take apart the example. Suppose the application's class name is ""Myterm"". Also, suppose Open Windows is installed in /usr/openwin. (Notice the example omits locale-specific lookup.) /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N means /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm $OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N means /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults/Myterm As the application initializes, Xt tries to open both of the above app-defaults files, in the order shown. As soon as it finds one, it reads it and uses it, and stops looking for others. The effect of this path is to search first in /usr/lib/X11, then in /usr/openwin. Let's consider another example. This time, let's set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH so it looks for the file Myterm.ad in the current working directory, then for Myterm in the directory ~/app-defaults. setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH ./%N.ad:$HOME/app-defaults/%N The first path in the list expands to ./Myterm.ad. The second expands to $HOME/app-defaults/Myterm. This is a convenient setting for debugging because it follows the Imake convention of naming the app-defaults file Myterm.ad in the application's source directory, so you can run the application from the directory in which you are working and still have the resources loaded properly. NOTE: when looking for app-default files with XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, for some bizarre reason, neither the type nor file suffix is defined so %T and %S are useless. With R5, there's another twist. You may specify a customization resource value. For example, you might run the ""myterm"" application like this: myterm -xrm ""*customization: -color"" If one of your pathname specifications had the value ""/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C"" then the expanded pathname would be ""/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm-color"" because the %C substitution character takes on the value of the customization resource. The default XFILESEARCHPATH, compiled into Xt, is: /usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) /usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) /usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N:\ /usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N:\ /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N (Note: some sites replace /usr/lib/X11 with a ProjectRoot in this batch of default settings.) The default XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, also compiled into Xt, is /%L/%N%C:\ (R5) /%l/%N%C:\ (R5) /%N%C:\ (R5) /%L/%N:\ /%l/%N:\ /%N: is either the value of XAPPLRESDIR or the user's home directory if XAPPLRESDIR is not set. If you set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to some value other than the default, Xt ignores XAPPLRESDIR altogether. Notice that the quick and dirty way of making your application find your app-defaults file in your current working directory is to set XAPPLRESDIR to ""."", a single dot. In R3, all this machinery worked differently; for R3 compatibilty, many people set their XAPPLRESDIR value to ""./"", a dot followed by a slash. [Thanks to Oliver Jones (oj@world.std.com); 2/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 35) How to I have the R4 xdm put a picture behind the log-in window? The answer lies in changing xdm's xrdb resource in the xdm-config file to run a program to change the background before loading the resources; for example, your /usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config file may add the line DisplayManager.0.authorize: false to permit unrestricted access to the display before log-in (beware!) and also DisplayManager*xrdb: /usr/lib/X11/xdm/new.xrdb where that file does something (for all connections) along the lines of: #!/bin/sh #comes in with arguments: -display :0 -load /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources /usr/bin/X11/xsetroot -display $2 -bitmap /usr/lib/X11/xdm/new.bitmap /usr/bin/X11/xrdb $* Substitute xloadimage or xv for xsetroot, to taste. Note that this is a general hack that can be used to invoke a console window or any other client. [Thanks to Jay Bourland (jayb@cauchy.stanford.edu), 9/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 36) Why isn't my PATH set when xdm runs my .xsession file? When xdm runs your .xsession it doesn't source your .cshrc or .login files. You can set the path explicitly as you normally could for any SH script; or you can place all environment-setting statements in a separate file and source it from both the .xsession file and your shell configuration file; or, if you set your PATH in your .cshrc file, the normal place, you can make your .xsession have PATH set simply by making it a csh script, i.e. by starting your .xsession file off with ""#!/bin/csh"". If this doesn't work, also try starting off with: #!/bin/sh # Reset path: PATH=`csh -c 'echo $PATH'` ; export PATH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 37) How do I keep my $DISPLAY when I rlogin to another machine? There are several ways to avoid having to do a ""setenv DISPLAY ..."" whenever you log in to another networked UNIX machine running X. One solution is to use the clients/xrsh on the R5 contrib tape. It includes xrsh, a script to start an X application on remote machine, and xrlogin, a script to start a local xterm running rlogin to a remote machine. A more recent version is on export in xrsh-5.4.shar. One solution is to use the xrlogin program from der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu). You can ftp caveat-emptor versions from 132.206.1.1, in X/xrlogin.c and X/xrlogind.c. The program packages up $TERM and $DISPLAY into a single string, which is stuffed into $TERM. rlogin then propagates $TERM normally; your .cshrc on the remote machine should contain eval `xrlogind` where xrlogind is a program that checks $TERM and if it is of the special format it recognizes, unpacks it and spits out setenv and unsetenv commands to recreate the environment variables. [11/90] In addition, if all you need to do is start a remote X process on another host, and you find rsh -n /usr/bin/X11/xterm -display $DISPLAY too simple (DISPLAY must have your real hostname), then this version of xrsh can be used to start up remote X processes. The equivalent usage would be xrsh xterm #! /bin/sh # start an X11 process on another host # Date: 8 Dec 88 06:29:34 GMT # From: Chris Torek # rsh $host -n ""setenv DISPLAY $DISPLAY; exec $@ &/dev/null"" # # An improved version: # rXcmd (suggested by John Robinson, jr@bbn.com) # (generalized for sh,ksh by Keith Boyer, keith@cis.ohio-state.edu) # # but they put the rcmd in ()'s which left zombies again. This # script combines the best of both. case $# in [01]) echo ""Usage: $0 host x-cmd [args...]"";; *) case $SHELL in *csh*) host=""$1""; shift xhost ""$host"" > /dev/null rsh ""$host"" -n \ ""setenv TERM xterm; setenv DISPLAY `hostname`:0; \ exec $* & /dev/null"" & ;; *sh) host=""$1""; shift xhost ""$host"" > /dev/null rsh ""$host"" -n \ ""TERM=xterm export TERM; \ DISPLAY=`hostname`:0 export DISPLAY; \ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11/lib export LD_LIBRARY_PATH; \ PATH=\$PATH:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin; \ export PATH; \ exec $* < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1"" & ;; esac ;; esac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 38) How can I design my own font? One way is to use the ""bitmap"" client or some other bitmap-editor (e.g. Sun's icon-editor tool, post-processed with pbmplus) to design the individual characters and then to do some large amount of post-processing to concatenate them into the BDF format. See Ollie Jones's article in the November 91 X Journal for more information. The R3 contrib/ area (in fonts/utils/ and in clients/xtroff) contained a number of useful utilities, including some to convert between BDF font format and a simple character format which can be edited with any text editor. An easier way is to use the ""xfed"" client to modify an existing font; a version is on the R4 or R5 X11R5 contrib tape in contrib/clients/xfed. Xfed is available for anonymous ftp on ftp.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.64.63], possibly as file /pub/windows/X/Diverse-X11-Sourcen/xfed.tar.Z. It can produce BDF-format fonts which can be compiled for a variety of X servers. The xfedor client from Group Bull permits creation of bitmaps, cursors, XPM1 pixmaps, and fonts. Binaries for common machines are on avahi.inria.fr in /pub; in addition, the sources (an old Xlib implementation) have been placed [5/91] in export:/contrib. If you are a MetaFont user you can use ""mftobdf"" from the SeeTeX distribution to convert PK, GF, and PXL fonts to BDF format; the distribution is on ftp.cs.colorado.edu and on export.lcs.mit.edu. The GNU package fontutils-0.4.tar.Z on prep.ai.mit.edu includes xbfe, a font editor, and a number of utilities for massaging font formats. The O'Reilly X Resource issue #2 contains an article on using these tools to modify a font. Fonts can be resized with Hiroto Kagotani's bdfresize; a new version is in ftp.cs.titech.ac.jp:/X11/contrib. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 39) Why does adding a font to the server not work (sic)? After you have built the font using your system's font-compiler, installed it in some directory, and run `mkfontdir` or your system's equivalent (e.g. bldfamily for OpenWindows) in that directory, be sure to use `xset +fp $dir` to add that full path-name to the server's font-path, *or* if the directory is already in the path, use `xset fp rehash` so that the new fonts in that directory are actually found; it is this last step that you're probably leaving out. (You can also use `xset q` to make sure that that directory is in the path.) Sometimes your ""xset +fp $dir"" command fails with a BadValue error: X Error of failed request:BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 51 (X_SetFontPath) This means the X server cannot find or read your font directory, or that your directory does not look like a font directory to the server. (The mention of an ""integer parameter"" in the message is spurious.) -- Is the font directory you're specifying readable from the SERVER's file system? Remember, it's the server, not the client, which interprets your font directory. Trouble in this area is especially likely when you issue an xset command with shell metacharacters in it (e.g. ""xset +fp ~/myfonts"") and the server is an X terminal or managed by xdm. -- Is the directory really a font directory? If you're running an MIT server (or most varieties of vendor servers) look in the directory for the file ""fonts.dir"". If you can't find that file, run mkfontdir(1). (If you're running OpenWindows, look for the file ""Families.list"". If you can't find it, run bldfamily(1).) -- If you're in a site where some people run X11Rn servers and others run a proprietary server with nonstandard font formats (OpenWindows, for example), make sure the font directory is right for the server you're using. Hint: if the directory contains .pcf and/or .snf files, it won't work for Open Windows. If the directory contains .ff and/or .fb files, it won't work for X11Rn. [thanks to der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu) and to Oliver Jones (oj@pictel.com); 7/92 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 40) How do I convert a "".snf"" font back to "".bdf"" font? A tool called ""snftobdf 1.4"" is part of the bdftools package, which is available from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/bdftools.tar.Z and from crl.nmsu.edu:pub/misc/bdftools.tar.Z. [2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 41) What is a general method of getting a font in usable format? der Mouse's getbdf is one solution; it connects to a server and produces a .BDF file for any font the server is willing to let it. It can be used as an anything-to-BDF converter, but requires access to a server that can understand the font file, thus is both more and less powerful than other tools such as snftobdf. getbdf is on 132.206.1.1 in X/getbdf.c or available via mail from mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU. [5/91] In addition, the R5 program ""fstobdf"" can produce bdf for any font that the R5 server has access to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 42) How do I use DECwindows fonts on my non-DECwindows server? The DECwindows fonts typically don't exist on a non-DEC installation, but rewrite rules can be used to alias fonts used by DECwindows applications to standard MIT fonts of similar characteristics and size. Pick up the file contrib/DECwindows_on_X11R4_font.aliases from export.lcs.mit.edu; this file is for a standard MIT R4 server. It can also serve as a starting point for creating a similar aliases file for the Open Windows server or other servers which do not use the MIT font scheme. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 43) How do I add "".bdf"" fonts to my DECwindows server? The format of fonts preferred by DEC's X server is the "".pcf"" format. You can produce this compiled format from the .bdf format by using DEC's dxfc font-compiler. Note that the DEC servers can also use raw .bdf fonts, with a performance hit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 44)! How can I set backgroundPixmap in a defaults file? (What is XPM?) I want to be able to do something like this: xclock*backgroundPixmap: /usr/include/X11/bitmaps/rootweave You can't do this. The backgroundPixmap resource is a pixmap of the same depth as the screen, not a bitmap (which is a pixmap of depth 1). Because of this, writing a generic String to Pixmap converter is impossible, since there is no accepted convention for a file format for pixmaps. Therefore, neither the X Toolkit or the Athena widget set define a String to Pixmap converter, because there is no converter you cannot specify this value as a resource. The Athena widget set does define a String to Bitmap converter for use in many of its widgets, however. [courtesy Chris D. Peterson (now kit@ics.com), 4/90] However: A specific converter which encapsulates much of the functionality of the xloadimage package by Jim Frost was posted 12/90 by Sebastian Wangnick (basti@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de); it permits loading of a number of image formats as a pixmap. The leading general-purpose format for pixmaps is the XPM format used by Groupe Bull in several of its programs, including the GWM window manager, by AT&T in its olpixmap editor, and by ICS in its interface builder. XPM distribution, available on export as contrib/xpm.tar.Z, includes read/write routines which can easily be adapted to converters by new widgets which want to allow specification of pixmap resources in the above manner. See information on the xpm-talk mailing list above. XPM 3.0f was announced in 3/93 and is available from export.lcs.mit.edu and avahi.inria.fr; an older version is on the R5 contrib tape. [A set of XPM icons collected by Anthony Thyssen (anthony@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au) is on export in contrib/AIcons.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 45) Why can't I override translations? Only the first item works. You probably have an extra space after the specification of the first item, like this: basic*text.translations: #override \ Ctrla: beginning-of-line() \n\ Ctrle: end-of-line() ^ extra space The newline after that space is ending the translation definition. [Thanks to Timothy J. Horton, 5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 46) How can I have xclock or oclock show different timezones? One solution is xchron, in Volume 6 of comp.sources.x, which can show the time for timezones other than the local one. Alternatively, you can probably set the timezone in the shell from which you invoke the xclock or oclock, or use a script similar to this: #!/bin/sh TZ=PST8PDT xclock -name ""San_Luis_Obispo_CA"" 2> /dev/null & TZ=EST5EDT xclock -name ""King_Of_Prussia_PA"" 2> /dev/null & ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 47) I have xmh, but it doesn't work. Where can I get MH? The xmh mail-reader requires the Rand MH mail/message handling system, which is not part of the UNIX software distribution for many machines. A list of various ftp, uucp, e-mail and US-mail sites for both xmh and MH is given in the monthly MH FAQ; one source is ics.uci.edu in the file pub/mh/mh-6.7.tar.Z. If you do not receive the comp.mail.mh newsgroup or the MH-users mailing list, you can request a copy of the FAQ, which also includes a section on xmh, by sending mail to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing the request ""send usenet/news.answers/mh-faq"". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 48) Why am I suddenly unable to connect to my Sun X server? After a seemingly random amount of time after the X server has been started, no other clients are able to connect to it. The default cron cleanup jobs supplied by Sun (for 4.0.3, at least) delete ""old"" (unreferenced) files from /tmp -- including /tmp/.X11-unix, which contains the socket descriptor used by X. The solution is to add ""! -type s"" to the find exclusion in the cron job. [10/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 49) Why don't the R5 PEX demos work on my mono screen? The R5 sample server implementation works only on color screens, sorry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 50)! How do I get my Sun Type-[45] keyboard fully supported by Xsun? Many users wants the Num Lock key to light the Num Lock LED and have the appropriate effect on the numeric keypad. The Xsun server as distributed by MIT doesn't do this but there are two different patches available. The first patch is written by Jonathan Lemon and fixes the Num Lock related problems. It is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in the file contrib/Xsun-R5.numlock_patch.Z . The second is written by Martin Forssen and fixes the Num Lock and Compose keys and adds support for the different national keyboard layouts for Type-4 and Type-5 keyboards. This patch is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/sunkbd1216-0314.tar.Z or via email from maf@dtek.chalmers.se. [thanks to Martin Forssen (maf@dtek.chalmers.se or maf@math.chalmers.se), 8/92] A set of patches by William Bailey (dbgwab@arco.com) was posted to newsgroups 11/92 to provide support for the Type-5 keyboard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 51) How do I report bugs in X? Generally, report bugs you find to the organization that supplied you with the X Window System. If you received the R5 source distribution directly from MIT, please read the file mit/bug-report for instructions. [Look in mit/doc/bugs/bug-report in R4.] [Thanks to Stephen Gildea , 5/91; 12/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 52) Why do I get ""Warning: Widget class version mismatch""? This error, which typically goes on to say, ""widget 11004 vs. intrinsics 11003"" indicates that the header files you included when building your program didn't match the header files that the Xt library you're linking against was built with; check your -I include path and -L link-path to be sure. However, the problem also occurs when linking against a version of the X11R4 Xt library before patch 10; the version number was wrong. Some Sun OW systems, in particular, were shipped with the flawed version of the library, and applications which link against the library typically give the warnings you have seen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 53) Where can I find a dictionary server for xwebster? Webster's still owns the copyright to the on-line copies of Webster's Dictionary which are found at various (university) sites. After it became aware that these sites were then acting as servers for other sites running xwebster and gnuemacs-webster, it asked that server sites close off external access. [The NeXT machine apparently is also licensed to have the dictionary. A Webster daemon for NeXT machines is available from iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (129.79.254.192) in ""pub/webster/NeXT-2.0"".] Unless you want to get a legal on-line copy yourself or can find a site which can grant you access, you are probably out of luck. However, if you are a legitimate site, you'll want to pick up the latest xwebster, as-is on export:contrib/xwebster.tar.Z [10/91]; the file xwebster.README includes discussions of the availability, illegality, and non-availability of dictionary servers. [courtesy steve@UMIACS.UMD.EDU (Steve Miller) and mayer@hplabs.hp.com (Niels Mayer) 11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 54) TOPIC: OBTAINING X AND RELATED SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 55) Is X public-domain software? No. The X software is copyrighted by various institutions and is not ""public domain"", which has a specific legal meaning. However, the X distribution is available for free and can be redistributed without fee. Contributed software, though, may be placed in the public domain by individual authors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 56) How compatible are X11R3, R4, and R5? What changes are there? The Release Notes for each MIT release of X11 specify the changes from the previous release. The X Consortium tries very hard to maintain compatibility across releases. In the few places where incompatible changes were necessary, details are given in the Release Notes. Each X11 distribution site on the network also offers the Release Notes that go with the release they offer; the file typically can be found at the top of the distribution tree. [Stephen Gildea, 1/92] The comp.windows.x.intrinsics FAQ-Xt lists Xt differences among these versions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 57)! Where can I get X11R5 (source and/or binaries)? Information about MIT's distribution of the sources on 6250bpi and QIC-24 tape and its distribution of hardcopy of the documents is available from Software Center, Technology Licensing Office, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 28 Carleton Street, Room E32-300, Cambridge MA 02142-1324, phone: 617-258-8330. You will need about 100Mb of disk space to hold all of Core and 140MB to hold the Contrib software donated by individuals and companies. PLEASE use a site that is close to you in the network. Note that the RELEASE notes are generally available separately in the same directory; the notes list changes from previous versions of X and offer a guide to the distribution. North America anonymous FTP: California gatekeeper.dec.com pub/X11/R5 16.1.0.2 California soda.berkeley.edu pub/X11R5 128.32.131.179 Indiana mordred.cs.purdue.edu pub/X11/R5 128.10.2.2 Maryland ftp.brl.mil pub/X11R5 128.63.16.158 (good for MILNET sites) Massachusetts crl.dec.com pub/X11/R5 192.58.206.2 Massachusetts export.lcs.mit.edu pub/R5 18.24.0.12 (crl.dec.com is better) Michigan merit.edu pub/X11R5 35.1.1.42 Missouri wuarchive.wustl.edu packages/X11R5 128.252.135.4 Montana ftp.cs.montana.edu pub/X.V11R5 192.31.215.202 New Mexico pprg.eece.unm.edu pub/dist/X11R5 129.24.24.10 New York azure.acsu.buffalo.edu pub/X11R5 128.205.7.6 North Carolina cs.duke.edu dist/sources/X11R5 128.109.140.1 Ohio ftp.cis.ohio-state.edu pub/X.V11R5 128.146.8.52 Ontario ftp.cs.utoronto.ca pub/X11R5 128.100.1.105 Washington DC x11r5-a.uu.net X/R5 192.48.96.12 Washington DC x11r5-b.uu.net X/R5 137.39.1.12 Europe/Middle East/Australia anonymous FTP: Australia munnari.oz.au X.V11/R5 128.250.1.21 Denmark freja.diku.dk pub/X11R5 129.142.96.1 United Kingdom src.doc.ic.ac.uk graphics/X.V11R5 146.169.3.7 hpb.mcc.ac.uk pub/X11r5 130.88.200.7 Finland nic.funet.fi pub/X11/R5 128.214.6.100 France nuri.inria.fr X/X11R5 128.93.1.26 Germany ftp.germany.eu.net pub/X11/X11R5 192.76.144.129 Israel cs.huji.ac.il pub/X11R5 132.65.6.5 Italy ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it pub/X11R5 149.132.2.1 Netherlands archive.eu.net windows/X/R5 192.16.202.1 Norway ugle.unit.no pub/X11R5 129.241.1.97 Norway nac.no pub/X11R5 129.240.2.40 Switzerland nic.switch.ch software/X11R5 130.59.1.40 Japan anonymous FTP: Kanagawa sh.wide.ad.jp X11R5 133.4.11.11 Kwansai ftp.ics.osaka-u.ac.jp X11R5 133.1.12.30 Kyushu wnoc-fuk.wide.ad.jp X11R5 133.4.14.3 TISN utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp X11R5 133.11.11.11 Tokyo kerr.iwanami.co.jp X11R5 133.235.128.1 Tokyo scslwide.sony.co.jp pub/X11R5 133.138.199.1 UUCP: uunet for UUNET customers ~/X/R5 decwrl existing neighbors only ~/pub/X11/R5 osu-cis ~/X.V11R5 (not online until ~ 9 Sept) utai existing neighbors only ~/ftp/pub/X11R5 hp4nl Netherlands only ~uucp/pub/windows/X/R5 NFS: Missouri wuarchive.wustl.edu /archive/packages/X11R5 128.252.135.4 mount point: /archive AFS: Pennsylvania /afs/grand.central.org/pub/X11R5 NIFTP (hhcp, cpf, fcp, ...): United Kingdom uk.ac.ic.doc.src 00000510200001 user ""guest"" anon FTAM: United Kingdom 000005102000 (Janet) X.V11R5 146.169.3.7 (Internet) 204334504108 (IXI) ACSNet: Australia munnari.oz (fetchfile) X.V11/R5 Please fetch only one file at a time, after checking that a copy is not available at a closer site. [9/2/91; updated for contrib 10/91] Anyone in Europe can get a copy of the MIT X.V11R5 distribution, including the core and contributed software and all official patches, free of charge. The only requirement is to agree to return the tapes, or equivalent new tapes. Only QIC and TK format cartridges can be provided. Contact: Jamie Watson, Adasoft AG, Nesslerenweg 104, 3084 Wabern, Switzerland. Tel: +41 31 961.35.70 or +41 62 61.41.21; Fax: +41 62 61.41.30; jw@adasoft.ch. UK sites can obtain X11 through the UKUUG Software Distribution Service, from the Department of Computing, Imperial College, London, in several tape formats. You may also obtain the source via Janet (and therefore PSS) using Niftp (Host: uk.ac.ic.doc.src Name: guest Password: your_email_address). Queries should be directed to Lee McLoughlin, 071-589-5111#5037, or to info-server@doc.ic.ac.uk or ukuug-soft@uk.ac.ic.doc (send a Subject line of ""wanted"". Also offered are copies of comp.sources.x, the export.lcs.mit.edu contrib and doc areas and most other announced freely distributable packages. X11R5 and X11R4 source along with X11R5 contrib code, prebuilt X binaries for major platforms, and source code examples from O'Reilly's books is available on an ISO-9660-format CD-ROM from O'Reilly & Associates. [as of 3/92]. X11R5 source is available on ISO-9660-format CD-ROM for members of the Japan Unix Society from Hiroaki Obata, obata@jrd.dec.com. X11R5 source along with GNU source, the comp.sources.x archives, and SPARC binaries is available on an ISO-9660-format CD-ROM from PDQ Software, 510-947-5996 (or Robert A. Bruce, rab@sprite.Berkeley.EDU). X11R5 source is available from Automata Design Associates, +1 215-646-4894. Various users' groups (e.g. SUG) offer X sources cheaply, typically on CD-ROM. Source for the Andrew User Interface System 5.1 and binaries for common systems are available on CD-ROM. Information: info-andrew-requests@andrew.cmu.edu, 412-268-6710, fax 412-621-8081. Binaries for X11R5, with shared libX11 and libXmu, for A/UX 2.0.1 are now available from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive/systems/aux/X11R5. Patches for X11R5 compiled with gcc (but not shared libraries) are also available. [John L. Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu, 10/91)] Binaries by Rich Kaul (kaul@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu) for the Sun386i running SunOS 4.0.2 are available on dsinc.dsi.com (please only after-hours USA EST). Binaries for the Sun386i are available from compaq.com (131.168.249.254) in pub/sun-386i/sources and from vernam.cs.uwm.edu (129.89.9.117). A binary tree for the Next by Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) is on foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu; it is missing the server, though. Binaries for the Sun386i are in vernam.cs.uwm.edu:/sun386i. Binaries for the HP-PA are on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15). Source and binaries for HP-UX 8.*/9.0(S300/400/700/800) and Domain 10.4 (68K, DN 10K) are available through the Interworks Users Group; contact Carol Relph at 508-436-5046, fax 508-256-7169, or relph_c@apollo.hp.com. Patches to X11R5 for Solaris 2.1 by Casper H.S. Dik (casper@fwi.uva.nl) et al are on export in contrib/{R5.SunOS5.patch.tar.Z,R5.SunOS5.patch.README}. Patches to X11R5 for the Sun Type 5 keyboard and the keyboard NumLock are available from William Bailey (dbgwab@arco.com). Also: Binaries are available from Unipalm (+44 954 211797, xtech@unipalm.co.uk), probably for the Sun platforms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net " 7703,4,"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: disabling all power management interrupts Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all News-Software: Usenet 3.1 Lines: 21 Could someone please do one of the following: 1. Point to an init that allows me to turn off power management on my Duo 210. 1. Write an init that would allow me to turn off ALL power management on Duo 210. 2. Point me to documentation on power management so that I can write such an init. 3. Explain to me why such an init is totally or partially impossible. Ideally, of course, I would like to be able to turn in on and off on the fly. Surely such an init would be very helpful to Powerbook owners who want to do MIDI... I cannot imagine why it is not possible to do, unless it requires Apple to divluge some secret. And if that is the case, the surely APPLE could write the init. (Unless Apple brings out new models so fast these days that even THEY don't know how they work). Scott Petrack Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com " 7704,2,"From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) Subject: WinWord -- Spelling Dictionaries for non-US English ? Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA Lines: 17 Word for Windows lets me designate text as being in a language other than US English. (Alt-F L, Format | Language, as I recall.) So I mark it for English (UK), but it still accepts ""rumor"" and squawks at ""rumour"". As far as I can see, Microsoft didn't include the English (UK) dictionary on my disks. (I don't mean to imply that I was singled out; I assume that nobody in the U.S got them.) I dialed the Microsoft BBS, but nothing in the Word for Windows section looked helpful. Can anyone tell me where or how to obtain the UK spelling dictionary for Winword 2.0? The file name would be SPELL_UK.LEX or something similar. Email please; I'll post a summary. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems brown@Ncoast.ORG English is my native language and I love it. But don't try to tell me that it's easy to learn or that it makes sense. If it were, ""baseline"" would rhyme with ""vaseline"". " 7705,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Syria's Expansion Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 95 In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: > >In article <1993Apr18.212610.5933@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: >|>In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: >|>>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? >|> Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave Lebanon when >|>the Lebanese government can provide guarantees that Israel will not be >|>attacked from Lebanese soil, and when the Syrians leave. >Not acceptable. Syria and Lebanon have a right to determine if >they wish to return to the situation prior to the French invasion >where they were both part of the same ""mandate territory"" - read >colony. And Lebanon has a right to make this decision without Syrian troops controlling the country. Until Syria leaves, and free elections take place, its is rediculous to claim that the Lebanese would even be involved in determining what happens to their country. >Israel has no right to determine what happens in Lebanon. Invading another >country because you consider them a threat is precisely the way that almost >all wars of aggression have started. I expect you will agree that the same holds true for Syria having no right to be in Lebanon? >|> Israel has already annexed areas taken over in the 1967 war. >|>These areas are not occupied, but disputed, since there is no >|>legitamate governing body. Citizenship was given to those residents >|>in annexed areas who wanted citizenship. >The UN defines them as occupied. They are recognised as such by every >nation on earth (excluding one small caribean island). The UN also thought Zionism is racism. That fails to make it true. >|> The first reason was security. A large Jewish presense makes >|>it difficult for terrorists to infiltrate. A Jewish settlements also >|>act as fortresses in times of war. > >Theyu also are a liability. We are talking about civilian encampments that >would last no more than hours against tanks, They lasted weeks against tanks in '48, and stopped those tanks from advancing. They also lasted days in '73. There is little evidence for the claim that they are military liabilities. They evidence is there to show that when infiltrations take place over the Jordan river, the existance of large, patrolled kibutzim forces terrorists into a very small area, where they are usually picked up in the morning. >|> A second reason was political. Creating ""settlements"" brought >|>the arabs to the negotiation table. Had the creation of new towns and >|>cities gone on another several years, there would be no place left in >|>Israel where there was an arab majority. There would have been no >|>land left that could be called arab. >Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the >negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf >they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. Nonsense. Israel has been trying to get its neighbors to the negotiating table for 40 years. It was the gulf war that brought the arabs to the table, not the Israelis. >|> The point is, there are many reasons people moved over the >|>green line, and many reasons the government wanted them to. Whatever >|>status is negotiated for disputed territories, it will not be an ""all >|>or nothing"" deal. New boundaries will be drawn up by negotiation, not >|>be the results of a war. >Unless the new boundaries drawn up are those of 48 there will be no peace. >Araffat has precious little authority to agree to anything else. Nonsense. According to Arafat, Israel must be destroyed. He has never come clean and denied that this is his plan. He always waffles on what he means. ``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the occupied homeland is liberated...'' --- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79 Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 7706,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >people are getting killed by gang violence every day? Every single day I hear >about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons >that are being confiscated. Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16 from an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and a full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9? If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate that Kratz is blowing smoke. Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's quite common.... Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it looked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been different with Kratz. >Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference? No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much. -andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private -- " 7707,15,"From: bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) Subject: Copt-Net Newsletter[4] Lines: 18 This is to let you know that the fourth issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter has been issued. The highlights of this issue include: 1. Easter Greating: Christ is risen; Truly he is risen! 2. The Holy Family in Egypt (part 1) 3. Anba Abraam, the Friend of the Poor (part 4) 4. A review of the Coptic Encyclopedia 5. A new Dictionary of the Coptic Language This Newsletter has been prepared by members of Copt-Net, a forum where news, activities, and services of the Coptic Orthodox Churches and Coptic communities outside Egypt are coordinated and exchanged. If you want your name to be included in the mailing list, or have any questions please contact Nabil Ayoub at . Copt-Net Editorial Board " 7708,2,"From: marcs@crpmks.uucp (Marc Snyder) Subject: Re: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card? Organization: CIBA-GEIGY Corporation, Additives Division Keywords: Video adaptor hardware graphics Lines: 13 In article <6023@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne) writes: >Has anyone used the Number Nine (# 9) Video Graphics adaptor with Windows >or Windows NT? What do you think??? I just put one in my machine last week. I have an AST 486/66. I was getting ~10million winmarks with my Diamond SS24, and the #9 board is doing ~20million winmarks. From my brief experiences with it, i'm very satisfied. BTW, this is with Win 3.1. -- Marc Snyder UUCP: ...philabs!crpmks!marcs System Administrator Ciba-Geigy Corporation Hawthorne, New York Work: 914.785.2284 Play: 914.347.6440 " 7709,6,"From: brett@oce.orst.edu (Brett Barksdale) Subject: ***** HIGH-END CAR STEREO FOR SALE ***** Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography Lines: 25 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: porky.oce.orst.edu ============================================================================= NOTE: This is being posted for a friend. DO NOT REPLY to my account. Please direct all replies to Scott Burke at scott@sparcom.com ============================================================================= Alpine 5959S 6-CD Shuttle. Paid $600, want $420/OBO. Alpine 1203 Remote CD Changer Control. Paid $250, want $175/OBO. Boston ProSeries 10.0 Subwoofers (2) + Box. Paid $545, want $380/OBO. All equipment is under 6 months old and includes a full-replacement 5-year warranty from original point of purchase. The subwoofer box was custom designed to fit in the back of a Bronco II and is 14"" by 21"" by 27"". Send replies to: scott@sparcom.com ----- Scott Burke - Project Leader - Sparcom Corporation - Corvallis OR scott@sparcom.com - Telephone (503) 757-8416 - FAX (503) 753-7821 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Just waiting for the nuts..."" Brett Barksdale brett@porky.oce.orst.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 7710,7,"From: cfj@ssd.intel.com (Charlie Johnson) Subject: Re: LH car order delay Nntp-Posting-Host: alaska Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr2.135926.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mas@skcla.monsanto.com writes: |> I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that Chrysler is |> having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L engine for it's LH |> cars. Can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or |> how long they have been told they'll have to wait?? |> |> Thanks! |> |> John Mas |> |> |> E-Mail Address :: MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM |> I ordered an Intrepid ES on Jan 25th and haven't seen it yet. I called a couple of weeks ago and was told 2-3 more weeks. It's probably time to call again. -- Charles Johnson Intel Corporation Supercomputer Systems Division MS CO1-01 15201 NW Greenbrier Pkwy Beaverton, OR 97006 phone: (503)629-7605 email: cfj@ssd.intel.com " 7711,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group Organization: Indiana University Lines: 7 In article reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes: >I am beginning an e-mail discussion group about cell churches. If you are Please, define cell church. I missed it somewhere in the past when this was brought up before. Joe Fisher " 7712,8,"From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) Subject: Re: Info on Sport-Cruisers Distribution: world Organization: The Modem Palace Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 25 In article <4foNhvm00WB4E5hUxB@andrew.cmu.edu> jae+@CMU.EDU writes: >I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings ( >full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still >has that sporty look. > >I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series >BMW bikes. > >I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being >produced by companies other than BMW. The Honda ST1100 was designed by Honda in Germany, originally for the European market, as competition for the BMW 'K' series. Check it out. Tony +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ |Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | |Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | |Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | |Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | |England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ " 7713,11,"From: anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco) Subject: Re: Clipper and Ranting Libertarians Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: clipper clinton rant rave libertarians Distribution: usa Lines: 11 Just a little nitpicking. Wasn't it the government that required a standard railway gauge ? Didn't that improve things ? Please don't misunderstand. I'm utter suspicious of this Clipper chip. Why hold the design TOP SECRET ? Was this a work around the law that says that any discoveries made by people working for the government is public domain. ( e.g. NIH Class Library, etc. ) DES has its designs published all over the place and it is considered fairly strong ( although could be stronger ). - Ants " 7714,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 123 /(hudson) /Yes you do. Who is to say that it is immoral for onesself to experience /pain or to be hurt in some other way. Maybe unpleasant, but that doesn't /say anything about morality. It violates free will, Hudson. (me) >You can derive the immorality of hurting someone else entirely from selfish >motives. I can say, for example, that it is wrong to hurt other people >because that makes them less productive members of society. /(hudson) /Why is making someone a less productive member of society immoral? Hudson, you are screwing up again. Morality does not (I say again, DOES NOT) define only ""right and wrong"". It also defines ""acceptable social behavior"", without any overtones of good and evil. Picking up your trash is not really a right/wrong moral issue in the eternal sense of Good and Evil. Yet it is moral in the sense that it is acceptable social behavior"". Your definition of the word ""morality"" is what is causing you to trip over yourself here. /(me) /And since />I, selfish being that I am, want to maximize my gains from society, I will />not do anything to another member of society if that action might cut down />on how much benefit I can derive from society. /(hudson) /Why is your benefit somehow related to morality. Again, your definition is causing you to shoot yourself in the foot. /(hudson) /What about if someone feels that their own personal benefit is enhanced /more than it would be damaged by depleting the overall resources of society? /Maybe something might hurt society, but it would help him immensly? That is irrational thinking. There may also be people out there who think that death by atomic destruction is a sublime and wonderful thing. I am not going to let them execute that idea just because they want to do it. Simply because I let people make up their minds about what morals they have doesn't prevent me from spotting and stopping a madman when I see one, Hudson. And even then, I will only stop him when he interferes with me and my life. That is the difference between me and you: you want to interfere in people's lives even when they aren't affecting you. /(hudson) /The central character in Dostoevsky's novel, Crime and Punishment, /(R something or other) reasoned that if killed this old Jewish woman and /stole her money to educate and establish himself financially, he could /make a great contribution to society. He reasoned that she was not of /much profit to society. She just collected rents, and hoarded money. One of the central points of any (that's ANY) moral system is that is has to be internally consistent. By killing her, the character had to accept the premise that the ends justify the means. If he accepted that premise, then (in order to be consistent), he must accept the idea that some day another person may apply the same standard to HIS life. Now, if he is unwilling to accept this premise (which he will not be willing to accept), then he has behaved inconsistently with his own moral standard. /(me) /[football example deleted] /(hudson) /Now suppose a freshman on the bench will only get to play if one of the /players in the field/on the court is injured (or killed.) This freshman /wants to play in the big game so a talent scout can see him. If he hurts /a player on the team, it might slightly lessen the chances of the team to /win, but he might gain great personal benefit. So, operating on purely /selfish (immorally selfish) motives, he arranges for a sniper to shoot a /team player in the leg. He gets to play in front of the talent scout. /Did that freshman behave morally? /Selfish intentions may sometimes generate (apparently) moral actions, but /not always. Two problems right off the bat: 1. The problem with your analogy is that it doesn't address the goal that I started with: winning the game. Playing in front of the talent scout != winning the game. Try creating the same analogy and keep the ultimate goal the same, will you? 2. The internal consistency question is also not addressed: if the freshman wants to do this to other people, then he has to accept the fact that it may happen to him one day. If he is unwilling, then he has violated his own moral standard. " 7715,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr21.140804.15028@draper.com> mrf4276@egbsun12.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew R. Feulner) writes: >|> Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. > >My first thought is Ross Perot. After further consideration, I think he'd >be more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third. >Try Bill Gates. Try Sam Walton's kids. When the Lunar Society's $500M estimate of the cost of a lunar colony was mentioned at Making Orbit, somebody asked Jerry Pournelle ""have you talked to Bill Gates?"". The answer: ""Yes. He says that if he were going to sink that much money into it, he'd want to run it -- and he doesn't have the time."" (Somebody then asked him about Perot. Answer: ""Having Ross Perot on your board may be a bigger problem than not having the money."") -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 7716,9,"Subject: McRae is (Re: Torre: The worst manager?) From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA Nntp-Posting-Host: mis2 Nntp-Posting-User: scott Lines: 18 In article <16BB1C589.DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext>, DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes: >gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: >>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. >>brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. >No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I've never seen a guy who >can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league, >and he's still finding a way to lose. I'll be surprised if he makes it through >the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made. > KC(?) news was doing a report on that. They said that McRae is really a batting coach and not a manager. But for some reason he took the job. Whatever the reason, the Royals need a new manager now...while it is too late. -- Scott D. Davis The McCall Pattern Company (uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott) 615 McCall Road (800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041 Manhattan, KS 66502, USA " 7717,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I thought that under emergency conditions, the STS can put down at any good size Airport. IF it could take a C-5 or a 747, then it can take an orbiter. You just need a VOR/TAC I don't know if they need ILS. pat ANyone know for sure. " 7718,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: He has risen! Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Our Lord and Savior David Keresh has risen! He has been seen alive! Spread the word! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""My sole intention was learning to fly."" " 7719,14,"From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 30 In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >From the article ""What's New"" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research: > >........ >WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC > >1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? >In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The >Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of >rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this > hideous vision of the future. Observers were >startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >side of the booster rockets. Things could be worse. A lot worse! In the mid-eighties the teen/adult sci-fi comic 2000AD (Fleetway) produced a short story featuring the award winning character ""Judge Dredd"". The story focussed on an advertising agency of the future who use high powered multi-coloured lasers/search lights pointed at the moon to paint images on the moon. Needless to say, this use hacked off a load of lovers, romantics and werewolfs/crazies. The ad guys got chopped, the service discontinued. A cautionary tale indeed! Marvin Batty. -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" " 7720,17,"From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu ( ) Subject: Himmler's speech on the extirpation of the Jewish race Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: euclid.ucsd.edu WASHINGTON - A stark reminder of the Holocaust--a speech by Nazi SS leader Heinrich Himmler that refers to ""the extermination of the Jewish race""--went on display Friday at the National Archives. The documents, including handwritten notes by Himmler, are among the best evidence that exists to rebut claims that the Holocaust is a myth, archivists say. ""The notes give them their authenticity,"" said Robert Wolfe, a supervisory archivist for captured German records. ""He was supposed to destroy them. Like a lot of bosses, he didn't obey his own rules."" The documents, moved out of Berlin to what Himmler hoped would be a safe hiding place, were recovered by Allied forces after World War II from a salt mine near Salzburg, Austria. Himmler spoke on Oct.4, 1943, in Posen, Poland, to more than 100 German secret police generals. ""I also want to talk to you, quite frankly, on a very grave matter. Among ourselves it should be mentioned quite frankly, and yet we will never speak of it publicly. I mean the clearing out of the Jew, the extermination of the Jewish race. This is a page of GLORY in our history which has never been written and is never to be written."" [Emphasis mine--rje] The German word Himmler uses that is translated as ""extermination"" is *Ausrottung*. Wolfe said a more precise translation would be ""extirpation"" or ""tearing up by the roots."" In his handwritten notes, Himmler used a euphemism, ""Judenevakuierung"" or ""evacuation of the Jews."" But archives officials said ""extermination"" is the word he actually spoke--preserved on an audiotape in the archives. Himmler, who oversaw Adolf Hitler's ""final solution of the Jewish question,"" committed suicide after he was arrested in 1945. The National Archives exhibit, on display through May 16, is a preview of the opening of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum here on April 26. The National Archives exhibit includes a page each of Himmler's handwritten notes, a typed transcript from the speech and an offical translation made for the Nuremberg war crimes trials. ---From p.A10 of Saturday's L.A. Times, 4/17/93 (Associated Press) -- (revans@math.ucsd.edu) " 7721,3,"From: shc@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (stephen.chu) Subject: Application Errors on WIN31 Organization: AT&T Keywords: memory errors Lines: 60 H E L P ! I have a problem in which I'm getting increasing frustrated every day... Some background about my PC: - American Megatrend BIOS (clone 386 SX) with 32M of RAM - config.sys file: device=c:\dos\himem.sys dos=high,umb device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems files=30 buffers=30 stack=9,256 - autoexec.bat file is using smartdrv.exe +c - CMOS set up is running 0 wait state on read and write cache ram. The problem: APPLICATION ERROR from WIN31 I started off with a newly installed WIN31 and then installed EXCEL. Run excel, no problem. A permanent swap file of size 18K was in place for windows. Ok, I then proceed to install Norton Desktop for Windows version 2.0. No problem with the installation. I also allow NDW to alter my autoexec.bat(with the nav running on c:). The problem came when I try to (bring up excel or if excel is running and right in the middle of it - like click a selection with the mouse) from the desktop. First of all, I always get the application error screen followed by another application error screen with various different messages. The following are some of them: - Stack fault, by TC1024.DRV at address 0001:XXXX where XXXX is some number. (TC1024.DRV is the VGA driver provided by the manufacture) - General protection fault, by ndw.exe at the same address - Segment load failure, by ndw.exe at same address Some how, the address flagged was always 0001:something. What is address 0001:XXXX means? I have absolutely on idea what this mean. I tried commented out the TSR programs from autoexec.bat, no help. Is it something to do with the emm386 setup which is not telling WIN31 what it suppose to know. Looks like the application is crossing memory boundary when it is being loaded or while it is running. Please reply if you have any idea or suggestion. I'm willing to try anything. -------------- Steve Chu AT&T Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ " 7722,5,"From: amathur@ces.cwru.edu (Alok Mathur) Subject: How to get 24bit color with xview frames ? Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: amethyst.ces.cwru.edu Hi ! I am using Xview 3.0 on a Sparc IPX under Openwindows along with a XVideo board from Parallax which enables me to use 24 bit color. I am having some problems utilizing the 24 bit color and would greatly appreciate any help in this matter. I use Xview to create a Frame and then create a canvas pane inside which I use to display live video. My video input is 24 bit color. The problem is that my top level frame created as frame = (Frame) xv_create(NULL,FRAME,NULL); seems to have a depth of 8 which is propagated to my canvas. I would like to know how I can set the depth of the frame to be 24 bits. I tried using the following Xlib code : XVisualInfo visual_info; int depth = 24; Colormap colormap; XSetWindowAttributes attribs; unsigned long valuemask = 0; Window *win; Xv_opaque frame; win = xv_get(frame,XV_XID); XMatchVisualInfo(display,screen,depth,TrueColor,&visual_info); /* So far so good */ colormap = XCreateColormap(display,win,visual_info,AllocNone); /* It dies here with a BadMatch error :( */ attribs.colormap = colormap; valuemask |= CWColormap; XChangeWindowAttributes(display,w,valuemask,&attribs); XSetWindowColormap(display,win,colormap); Am I using a completely wrong approach here ? Is it possible to set the depth and colormap for a window created by Xview ? What am I doing wrong ? Thanks in advance for any help that I can get. I would prefer a response via email although a post on the newsgroup is also okay. Thanks again, Alok. --- ALOK MATHUR Computer Science & Engg, Case Western Reserve Univ, Cleveland, OH 44106 11414 Fairchild Road, #2, Cleveland, OH 44106 Off - (216) 368-8871 Res - (216) 791-1261, email - amathur@alpha.ces.cwru.edu " 7723,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 51 Brad Templeton (brad@clarinet.com) wrote: : It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow : houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. : : It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are : good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. : : : What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, : at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that : a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your : cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the : escrow houses. Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no mention of ""session keys"" being the escrowed entities. As the EFF noted, this raises further issues about the fruits of one bust leading to incrimination in other areas. But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) And it may also become much worse if the ostensible security is increased, thus allowing greater access to ""central office"" records by the government (the conversations being encrypted, who will object to letting the government have access to them, perhaps even automatically archiving large fractions...). This was one of the main objections to the S.266 proposal, that it would force telecom suppliers to provide easy access for the government. One the government has had access to months or years of your encrypted conversations, now all it takes is one misstep, one violation that gets them the paperwork needed to decrypt *all* of them! Do we want anyone to have this kind of power? -Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 7724,9,"From: tjrad@iastate.edu (Thomas J Radosevich) Subject: Brewers injuries Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 Hi all, I've been locked in a small closet chained to a lab bench for the last week or two without access to really important information. I saw the 3.5 million shoulder back on the DL--How long is he out for (i.e. How many millions/inning will he get this year?) Nothing personal against Higuera mind you, just wondering how Bud can keep coffing up money for him when he lets current big producers go over a relative pittance. (Please realize the term ""relative pittance"" can only be used with sarcasm when discussing baseball salaries.) Additional questions: I did'nt get to see Bones pitch this spring--how is he looking and where is he going to fit in the rotation? How is Surhoff shaping up defensively at third? Are they going to build a new stadium? When? Tom " 7725,10,"From: JBE5 Subject: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Aargh! Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques. The Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself, was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!! It was an excellent game with plenty of end-to-end rushes and tremendous goalkeeping. The Nords tied it with over 1 minute to go while Lebeau was serving a penalty. I don't mind Stewart calling a penalty in the last 5 min. of the game, but AT LEAST BE FAIR ABOUT IT. The Nords were caught with their hand in the cookie jar more than once. Stewart turned the other cheek...BASTARD! Patrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and on his knees for the rest of the night. The winning goal shouldn't have gone in. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the loss on Stewart. The Habs had plenty of chances to capitalize, Muller, LeClair, Haller, etc. but failed to put the puck in the net. That's what did them in. But Mr. Stewart didn't help matters at all. Oh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--) ,,, (0-0) ============================oOO(_)OOo=================================== The Czar of Mainframe Computing McGill University --> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL. ---> Habs...will beat the Nords in 7!!!! ---> Let's Go Expos! =========================================== | Hickory, dickory doc, | | She took a good look at your cock. | | It's really scary all rinkled and hairy,| | It smells like a 10 year old sock! | | --Andrew Dice Clay | =========================================== DISCLAIMER: ************************************************************************ * Needless to say that the opinions expressed by THE CZAR represent * * those of the faculty, staff, and students of McGill University. * ************************************************************************ " 7726,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: ""Clipper"" an Infringement on Intergraph's Name? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 28 Besides being an infringement on our civil liberties (not the subject in this post), the name ""Clipper Chip"" seems very confusable with the ""Clipper"" chip of Intergraph. Originally designed by a team at Fairchild Semiconductor, Clipper was a 32-bit RISC microprocessor. It is still used in some workstations, notably those from Intergraph, the supplier of CAD tools. Intergraph acquired the Clipper product line when Fairchild was sold to National Semiconductor several years back. When I first saw ""Clipper Chip"" in the announcement, I immediately thought the article was referring to the Clipper chip I know. This seems to be grounds for Intergraph to sue, but then I'm not a lawyer. I'd say I'm a cryptologist, but I don't want to incriminate myself under the laws of the new regime. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 7727,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com Keywords: Nata thing !! In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: > > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > Is this guy serious???? > If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media > for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts > are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). > Besides, a majority of > these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of, > this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp). Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. You sick bastard. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 7728,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 12 General question: Since the world was discovered to be round, the definition of Saturday is, if not ambiguous, at least arbitrary. How would someone answer this? Also, when the calendar was changed (Gregorian to Julian?) was the day of the week changed or just the date? Once again this points to the arbitrariness of the days. Chris Mussack [When calendars change, there is no change in the 7-day weekly cycle, just months and dates. --clh] " 7729,16,"From: alleyja@yang.earlham.edu Subject: Distribution: talk Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr4.4332.33144@dosgate>, nigel.allen@canrem.com (nigel allen) writes: > Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. > > Sarah Brady Calls On Governor to Veto NRA Bill; Bayh Urged to > Follow Clinton's Lead > To: State Desk > Contact: Cheryl Brolin of Handgun Control Inc., 202-898-0792 > > WASHINGTON, April 2 -- In a letter today to Indiana Gov. > Evan Bayh, Sarah Brady, wife of former White House > Press Secretary James Brady and chair of Handgun Control Inc., > called on the governor to veto NRA-backed ""preemption"" legislation > (S.B. 241), which would wipe out existing local gun laws and > prohibit localities from enacting future regulations governing the > sale, possession or transfer of firearms. > ""I'm counting on Gov. Bayh to show the same kind of political > courage President Clinton showed as governor of Arkansas, when he > twice vetoed this type of special-interest legislation,"" Mrs. Brady > said, referring to Clinton's veto of NRA-backed preemption bills in > 1989 and 1991. > I knew that Cutie would sell us out. Full-blooded Democrat, he is :-) Seriously folks, if it can happen here (remember? we all got gun racks on our 4x4s), it can happen anywhere. Now to get that letter ready. `Dear Cutie, as one who didn't vote for you, I can sincerely say I am unhappy...' > -30- > -- > Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada nigel.allen@canrem.com > -- > Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario > 416-629-7000/629-7044 Those who know what's best for us Must try to save us from ourselves -- RUSH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jason Alley || The opinions expressed were given to me | | Earlham College, Richmond IN || by aliens living in my pancreas. | | AlleyJa@Yang.Earlham.Edu || The Empire never ended. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7730,7,"From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) Subject: Re: $ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh28f Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Distribution: na Lines: 24 In article , swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan) writes: |> My friend brought a subaru SVX recently. I had drove it for couples times and I |> think its a great car, esp on snow. However when she took it to a local Subaru |> dealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars. The dealer |> told us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to |> disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour. |> At first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto |> but found out the they are charging roughly the same price. So is there any |> SVX owner out there that has the same problem ? And if the oil change story is |> true, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car |> looks great. |> Labour prices for car service are very expensive in Toronto compared to other parts of Ontario. For example, there are places in Ottawa that still charge ""only"" $40/hour. I've seen a couple of places charging $60/hour. The cheapest I've heard in Toronto is $70/hour. |> SWD Wan. |> -- Doug Zolmer Internet: dwjz@bnr.ca Disclaimer: My opinions only Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Conform:- Moooo! " 7731,10,"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) Subject: Series 1, game 1; Kings 6 @ Flames 3 Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) Organization: none Lines: 269 1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes and game reports. ------------------------------------------------- Kings 6 @ Calgary Flames 3 - 04/18/93 The third place Kings opened the 1993 Stanley Cup Playoffs in Calgary, against the second place Flames and came out with an impressive 6-3 victory in front of a non-sellout crowd of 18,605 at the Saddledome in Calgary. Symthe Division playoff hockey this was. Both teams seemed a bit tense in the opening period though the Kings scored off the opening face-off. The Kings got into the flow of the game much earlier than the Flames as they played out- standing team defense. It took the Flames 9:45 of the first period to record their first shot on goal. The Kings, ranked 16th of the 16 playoff teams on penalty killing, shut down the Flames. The Flames went 0-8 on the power play and could record only 8 shot on goal in those 8 opportunities. The Kings had their problems on the power play, yet they did manager to score 2 goals in 10 tries. The Kings forwards back-checked while the defense stood the Flames up at the blue line, allowing the Kings to take took the home ice advantage away from the Flames. Rob Blake missed the game due to the lower back contusion but is ex- pected to be in the lineup on Wednesday. Wayne Gretzky suffered a charlie horse in his right leg. He took a few shifts in the second period before retiring to the dressing room for the rest of the game. Interviewed on the radio this morning, he stated that he was fine and would be in the lineup on Wednesday. 1st period: 1-0. The Kings got things started right off the opening face-off. Gretzky won the draw with the puck going to Sydor. He crossed center ice and slapped the puck into the Flames zone and behind the net. The puck carried around to the far side where Robitaille wacked at it and the rebound bounced to Sandstrom. He put the puck behind the Flames net where Gretzky picked it up. Gretzky set up in 'his office', moved to the near side and passed into the near circle where Sydor had moved in. Sydor, who got the puck between the face-off dot and the hash mark, shot off the pass, beating Vernon low and between the legs. Millen and Fleury went off at 4:57. Skrudland went off at 12:25 but the Kings failed to convert. Carson went off at 14:53 and the Flames failed to convert. Dahlquist went off at 18:34 and Dahl went off at 19:30, giving the Kings a 30 second 5on3 which they failed to convert. The Kings recorded 2 goal posts in the period. 2nd period: The Kings opened with a 5on3 carried over from the 1st period which they failed to convert on. With 6 seconds left in the 5on4, Vernon put a bouncing puck into the stands and received a delay of game. 1-1. Calgary evened the score on the ensuing Kings power play. Kurri, with the puck in the neutral zone, tried to put the puck into the Flames zone but it hit the stick of Fleury and bounced to Suter at the Flames blue line. Suter skated down the near wing and into the Kings zone. He faked a shot at the circle and skated around Kurri. As he cut thorugh the crease, he got Hrudey to go with him and he put the puck behind Hrudey, on his stick side for a short hander. 2-1. The Kings reclaimed the lead 25 seconds later on the same power play. Shuchuk, in the far circle passed to Sydor at the top of the slot and headed for the net. Sydors shot hit Shuchuk in the back and dropped into the low slot where 2 Kings (Shuchuk and Granato) were being checked by 3 Flames. Carson came from the far corner, picked up the loose puck and snapped a wrist shot between the legs of Vernon from 5 feet above the crease. 3-1. The Kings widened their lead just 24 seconds later. Rychel was checked off the puck at the Flames blue line. Taylor picked up the puck and sent a pass cross the slot to Huddy. Huddy shot off the pass, from the near face-off dot, beating a diving Vernon on the glove side. 4-1. 2:59 later, the Kings had a 3 goal lead. McSorley took a shot form the near point that hit a Flame and deflected towards the boards. Marty got his own rebound, skated to the bottom of the circle and sent a pass into the low slot that hit Dahlquist on the leg and deflected past the stick of Vernon. Skrudland went off at 10:53 but the Kings could not convert. Sydor went off at 12:35 and Watters went off at 14:40, giving the Flames a 5 second 5-3 but they failed to convert. McSorley went off at 17:19 and the Flames had 3 consecutive power plays but the Flames killed it themselves when Suter went off for high sticking at 17:31. Sandstrom went off at 18:03 to close out the period. The Kings hit 3 goal post in the period. 3rd period: The Kings used the phrase ""Initiate, not retaliate"" and it was very evident here in the 3rd period as the Kings continued to pound the body and the Flames continued to take bad penalties to take themselves out of the game. 5-1. The Kings extended their lead to 4 goals at the 1:06 mark. The Kings shot the puck into the near corner of the Flames zone. Vernon went behind the net to cut off the puck but he could not control it. Donnelly, who was behind him, wacked at the puck, sending it into the low slot. As Vernon slid back in to the crease, Granato got a shot that hit a Flame and bounced to the left of the net where Millen fired the rebound behind Vernon. Sydor went off at 1:24; Nieuwendyk went off at 3:22 as the teams skated 4 on 4. 5-2. Otto, skating down the far side, stepped around McSorley, cut to the net and passed to Dahlquist in the low slot. Dahlquist cut through the top of the crease and put the puck in under a diving Hrudey. Carson and Rychel came in on a 2-1. When Carson passed across to Rychel, Fleury tripped Rychel with no call. The puck got shoveled into the far corner where Fleury knocked Rychel down and checked him from behind into the boards, drawing a 5-minute major and a game misconduct at the 6:08 mark. Unfortunately, the Kings squandered the 5 minute power play when Granato (at 6:44) and Watters (at 8:19) took penalties. 5-3. The Flames closed to within 2 at the 8:47 mark. MacInnis, at the near point, passed to Yawney at the far point. He took a few strides towards the net, wound up and drove a shot off the near post and in over the glove of Hrudey. The play started on another faceoff that the Kings lost. Timeout - LA. 6-3. MacInnis took a penalty at 9:56 and the Kings converted on the power play to seal the victory. Sandstrom, skating down the far wing in the Flames zone cut towards the back of the net. Just as he crossed the goal line, he passed the puck into the low slot, on the far side, to Carson who shot off the pass, beating Vernon on the ice, stick side. At the 16:17 mark, Skrudland went off for slashing and Stern went crazy as he went after Shuchuk. Stern wound up with a double minor for roughing, a single minor for cross checking and a 10 minute misconduct, and he took the Flames right out of the game. On the plus side: The Kings, for the most part, played very disciplined hockey as they let Calgary retaliate. The Kings played good team defense and excellent penalty killing. On the minus side: The Kings lost almost every face-off. This must improve or the Flames will surely get that power play back on track. Notes: ------ The Kings recalled Guy Leveque, Brandy Semchuk and Jim Thomson from Phoenix. Wayne Gretzkys 1st period assist was his 307th career playoff point. The Kings entered the game 24th in the league in shots per game against, giving the opposing team an average of 34.4 shots per game. Flames goaltender Mike Vernon entered the game with a 3-9-1 record in afternoon games. The Flames entered the game with a 34% success rate on the power play over their last 9 games. The teams were 3-3-1 against each other in the regular season. Playoffs: Campbell Conference: Smythe Division: LA 6 @ CAL 3 LA leads 1-0 WIN @ VAN Norris Division: STL 4 @ CHI 3 STL leads 1-0 TOR @ DET Wales Conference: Adams Division: BUF 5 @ BOS 4 (OT) BUF leads 1-0 MON 2 @ QUE 3 (OT) QUE leads 1-0 Patrick Division: NJ 3 @ PIT 6 PIT leads 1-0 NYI 1 @ WAS 3 WAS leads 1-0 Records: -------- vs Smythe Norris Patrck Adams Overall ================================================ Home: 0- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0- 0-0 Road: 1- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 1- 0-0 ============================================================== Total: 1- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 1- 0-0 Box Score: ========================= Calgary 0 1 2 - 3 Los Angeles 1 3 2 - 6 ========================= 1st period: LA Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom), 0:16 LA Millen - high sticking, 4:57 CAL Fleury - high sticking, 4:57 CAL Skrudland - interference, 12:25 LA Carson - tripping 14:53 CAL Dahlquist - holding stick, 18:34 CAL Dahl - roughing 19:30 2nd period: CAL Verson - delay of game (served by Ashton), 1:34 CAL Suter 1 (Fleury), 2:48 (sh) LA Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor), 3:13 (pp) LA Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel), 3:37 LA McSorley 1 (unassisted), 6:36 CAL Skrudland - elbowing, 10:53 LA Sydor - tripping, 12:35 LA Watters- hooking, 14:40 LA McSorley - holding, 17:19 CAL Suter - high sticking, 17:31 LA Sandstrom - hooking, 18:03 3rd period: LA Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly), 1:06 LA Sydor - hooking, 1:24 CAL Nieuwendyk - tripping, 3:22 CAL Dahlquist 1 (Otto), 4:23 CAL Fleury - major (boarding), game misconduct, 6:08 LA Granato - tripping, 6:44 LA Watters - interference, 8:19 CAL Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel), 8:47 CAL MacInnis - roughing, 9:56 LA Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille), 10:32 (pp) LA Hardy - holding, 11:38 CAL Skrudland - slashing, 16:17 CAL Stern - double roughing, cross-checking, 10 min. misconduct, 16:17 Overtime: none Shots: ------ Los Angeles 8 9 14 - 31 Calgary 5 8 11 - 24 Power play conversions: ----------------------- For: 2 of 10; for the year: 2 of 10, 20.00% Against: 0 of 8; for the year: 8 of 8, 100.00% Goalies: -------- Los Angeles - Hrudey (1-0-0) Calgary - Vernon (0-1-0) Attendance: 18,605 Scratches: ---------- Rob Blake - back contusion Guy Leveque - numbers Lonnie Loach - numbers Marc Potvin - numbers Brandy Semchuk - numbers Robb Stauber - numbers Brent Thompson - numbers Jim Thomson - numbers Lines - Forwards: ---------------- *Robitaille - Gretzky - Sandstrom Donnelly - Millen - Kurri Rychel - Conacher - Taylor Granato - Carson - Shuchuk Lines - Defense: ---------------- *Huddy - Sydor Watters - Zhitnik Hardy - McSorley * denotes starting lineup Next game: ---------- Wednesday, April 21 @ Calgary Flames; 6:30pm Pacific Time on Prime Ticket =============================================================================== Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) net contact: L.A. Kings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ================================================================================ " 7732,9,"Subject: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken Lines: 10 jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category. anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. if, at the end of april, he has 11, and anyone writes ""at this pace, he'll have 100+ homers!"" they shouldbe shot too. - bob gaj " 7733,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: >They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. >I realise that this is widely held belief in America, but in fact >the clause on cruel and unusual punishments, like a lot of the >rest, was lifted from the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Just because the wording is elsewhere does not mean they didn't spend much time on the wording. >>We have already looked in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't >>this sufficient? >Since the dictionary said that a lack of mercy or an intent to >inflict injury or grief counted as ""cruel"", sure. People can be described as cruel in this way, but punishments cannot. keith " 7734,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 18 In article <1raejd$bf4@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >what ever happened to the hypothesis that the shuttle flight software >was a major factor in the loss of 51-L. to wit, that during the >wind shear event, the Flight control software indicated a series >of very violent engine movements that shocked and set upa harmonic >resonance leading to an overstress of the struts. This sounds like another of Ali AbuTaha's 57 different ""real causes"" of the Challenger accident. As far as I know, there has never been the slightest shred of evidence for a ""harmonic resonance"" having occurred. The windshear-induced maneuvering probably *did* contribute to opening up the leak path in the SRB joint again -- it seems to have sealed itself after the puffs of smoke during liftoff -- but the existing explanation of this and related events seems to account for the evidence adequately. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 7735,1,"From: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Keywords: 3DO ARM QT Compact Video Reply-To: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cuddly Tigers Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: earith.cl.cam.ac.uk In article <2BD07605.18974@news.service.uci.edu> rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert C. Barris) writes: > We >got to see the unit displaying full-screen movies using the CompactVideo codec >(which was nice, very little blockiness showing clips from Jaws and Backdraft) >... and a very high frame rate to boot (like 30fps). Acorn Replay running on a 25MHz ARM 3 processor (the ARM 3 is about 20% slower than the ARM 6) does this in software (off a standard CD-ROM). 16 bit colour at about the same resolution (so what if the computer only has 8 bit colour support, real-time dithering too...). The 3D0/O is supposed to have a couple of DSPs - the ARM being used for housekeeping. >I'm not sure how a Centris/20MHz 040 stacks up against the 25 MHz ARM in >the 3DO box. Obviously the ARM is faster, but how much? A 25MHz ARM 6xx should clock around 20 ARM MIPS, say 18 flat out. Depends really on the surrounding system and whether you are talking ARM6x or ARM6xx (the latter has a cache, and so is essential to run at this kind of speed with slower memory). I'll stop saying things there 'cos I'll hopefully be working for ARM after graduation... Mike PS Don't pay heed to what reps from Philips say; if the 3D0/O doesn't beat the pants off 3DI then I'll eat this postscript. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ \ / / Michael Williams Part II Computer Science Tripos |\/|\/\ MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk University of Cambridge | |(__)Cymdeithas Genedlaethol Traddodiad Troi Teigrod Mwythus Ben I Waered " 7736,6,"From: cbray@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Cassettes for Sale!!! (Update) Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu Summary: Tapes for sale... Keywords: tapes, sale, sell Hi there again... I still have a few tapes left... As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid). Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary... Package deals welcome... Thanks... Chris Bray Lewis, Huey|Sports Hooters|Nervous Night Poison|Look What the Cat Dragged In Hall & Oates|Big Bam Boom Ratt|Out of the Cellar Quiet Riot|Condition Critical Seger, Bob|Like a Rock Outfield|Play Deep Plant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred Journey|Raised on Radio Duran Duran|Duran Duran Duran Duran|Arena Duran Duran|Rio " 7737,6,"From: tallen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thomas C Allen) Subject: Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 14 Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT I have a $400 credit with Northwest Airlines which must be used by Nov 27, 1993. There is a $50 charge to change the ticket, so I will sell it for $320. It can be used for any Northwest flight, but I don't think they will refund cash. Please contact me at tallen@corp.hp.com or (415)857-5878. Tom Allen " 7738,8,"Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) Distribution: rec Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University NNTP-Posting-Host: laura.harvard.edu In-reply-to: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT Lines: 10 >>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said: Mike> Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? Sure. In fact, you can do a wheelie on a shaft-drive motorcycle without even moving. Just don't try countersteering. :-) -- Jerry Lotto MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18 Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ. ""It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."" " 7739,2,"From: er+@cs.cmu.edu (Ekkehard Rohwedder) Subject: Re: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: kurt.tip.cs.cmu.edu Cc: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 11 In article <1r8anlINN60g@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo) writes: >program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that >makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows! (1) Did you check that a new *.grp file was actually created in your Windows directory? (2) Are you _turning off_ your computer when windows is running rather than closing Program Manager? -- Ekkehard " 7740,14,"From: jhwitten@cs.ruu.nl (Jurriaan Wittenberg) Subject: Re: Magellan Update - 04/16/93 Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Keywords: Magellan, JPL Lines: 29 In <19APR199320262420@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager > > MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT > April 16, 1993 > > >2. Magellan has completed 7225 orbits of Venus and is now 39 days from >the end of Cycle-4 and the start of the Transition Experiment. Sorry I think I missed a bit of info on this Transition Experiment. What is it? >4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and >interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes. Will this mean a loss of data or will the Magellan transmit data later on ?? BTW: When will NASA cut off the connection with Magellan?? Not that I am looking forward to that day but I am just curious. I believe it had something to do with the funding from the goverment (or rather _NO_ funding :-) ok that's it for now. See you guys around, Jurriaan. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |----=|=-<- - - - - - JHWITTEN@CS.RUU.NL- - - - - - - - - - - - ->-=|=----| |----=|=-<-Jurriaan Wittenberg- - -Department of ComputerScience->-=|=----| |____/|\_________Utrecht_________________The Netherlands___________/|\____| " 7741,15,"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 65 In jayne@mmalt.guild.org writes: > gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > >> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame >> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. >[deleted] >> >> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we >> die. > > I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people > choose a meaningless existence. How terrible to go on living only > because one fears death more than life. ?Huh? Okay, so I'm not Eric Molas, but even if that _is_ how he feels about life, I disagree with it. Life, to me, is definitely NOT meaningless; it has precisely the purpose and meaning I choose to give it. I go on living because I _like_ living; if I needed any further reason, I'd be free - completely free! - to pick any reason that suited me. That freedom can be almost intoxicating; it's probably the closest I've ever been to a 'religious' experience. I'm *very* glad I am an atheist; I wouldn't be anything else. > I feel so sorry for Eric and > yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as > further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. Not unless, in explaining your own subjective experience, you also try to convert him or proselytize. Merely explaining the effects you personally experience religion as having on you, is not ""infectious"". Not unless Eric is paranoid, that is. ;-> > As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, > and create. I will live forever with God. Whatever floats your goat. You sound happy enough; that's fairly much all that matters, right? > Christ is not a kind of drug. Drugs are a replacement for Christ. Erh... Pardon, but it strikes me that sentence sounds reversible. > Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must > do something to ease the pain. ""Empty spot""? ""God-shaped hole""? I hear such things a lot from theists; never quite did understand what they were talking about. I have no such 'emptiness' or 'hole'. Maybe some others do, I wouldn't know; but I don't, and if I did, I'd seek help about it. Doesn't sound like a mentally healthy situation at all, walking around with a 'hole' in oneself. > Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much > God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled > and abundant life. Well, not having written that original post, I don't know if it was intended to be interpreted in such a way; but, having reread it carefully, I somewhat doubt it. At least, that's not how he gets across to _me_, your mileage may vary... -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" " 7742,4,"From: ujfrye@mcs.drexel.edu (Jason W. Frye) Subject: Re: PC Syquest on a Mac?? Organization: Drexel University Lines: 19 In article <1qsk6u$d8l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes: > >Is it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to >hook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac? > >Is there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it >just cable differences? > >Thanks. > >Rob >-- >Rob Sprecher >rcs8@po.cwru.edu Many Companies package Syquest drives for the mac already.... So unless you are using one for the IBM world, Id buy a Mac ready Config. J. " 7743,19,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 111 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: > >They do not want to know it or be exposed to light >because their own evil deeds will be uncovered. And so by their >own choice, they will remain in darkness. Sort of like bugs under >a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the >darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be >comfortable. These people will crawl out from under the rock, >and although blinded at first, will get accustomed to the light >and enjoy its warm. And after a while, by virtue of the light, >they will see the depths of their own shortcomings AND how to correct them. >And also, they will see that there is much much more to this world >than just the narrow little experiences under the rock. They will >discover that life under a rock was incredibly yukky and that >life with the Light of the World, is great. So great, that they >will want to tell all their friends about it. And I maintain: Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too afraid of having to face the world on their own terms. And so, by their own choice, they will remain in darkness, sort of like bugs under a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable. These people will crawl out from under the rock, and, although blinded at first, will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth. And, after a while, now that they can see things for what they really are, they will also see the heights which they can reach, and the places they can go, and they will learn to choose their own paths through the world, and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their successes. They will see that there is much much more to the world than just the narrow experiences under the rock. They will discover that life under a rock was incredibly yucky, and that life on their own terms is great -- so great that they will want to tell everyone else about it. Do you see my point? I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm getting a great tan out here in the sunlight. My life has improved immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me! It will be a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the long hike, but it's well worth it! >Not all people hate light Kent. We all have an adversion to it to some >extent. But Brian Kendig who has been replying to this thread certainly likes >darkness. Brian K. enjoys stating false concepts and false pressumptions >about the God of the Bible. Without checking his own presumptions, >he compares my God with Odin or Zeus. Look, you just practically equated Odin and Zeus? They're as much different as your god is from them... Don't you see? I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept. Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good *reason* to, don't you? >Withough checking his own >presumption, he thinks hell is the equivalent of non-existence. When did I say that? I say that I would rather CEASE EXISTING instead of being subject to the whims of a deity, but that if the deity decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who I am, then so be it. >Do you enjoy darkness? Most people will honestly admit ""yes"". Most people >are fond of their sexual sins, their hording of money, their >selfishness, and not to mention, their Biblical ignorance. Nope -- most people are Christian. Most people are fond of feeling that they are imperfect, of believing that the world is an undesirable place, of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and holy again, of doing just as their priests tell them, like good little sheep. You enjoy darkness, and you're proud of it. You may know the Bible well -- but have you read any of the Koran? Or Zen writings? Or Hare Krishna literature? If you haven't, then how can you say you have an open mind? >Sin is fun! Let's >admit it. But a life of sin leads to trouble and death in this >life, and hell in the next. Nope. You make decisions, enjoy your successes, and accept your failures; then you die. If you are content with the life you've led as you reflect back on it in your final moments, then you've led a good life. >Come out from under the rock. Please do. > ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, > that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal > life."" I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in which case it's not really all that important. Forget the Bible for a minute. Forget quoting verses, forget about who said what about this or that. *Show me.* Picture just you and me and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau " 7744,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 24 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) wrote: > > In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire > >on their house, killing most of the people inside. > > We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been > the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and > people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly > disinterested observers. There's another point to be made. Those who have been inside burning houses know that if they want to stay alive, it's better to run out from the building. We had one case where an FBI agent *had to drag out a women* from the burning house, she run back in when she saw the forces arriving. It is a good indication of the fanatical mind that the followers had -- including having they children burned instead of saving these innocent victims of the instance. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 7745,12,"From: bell@hops.larc.nasa.gov (John Bell) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hops.larc.nasa.gov In article mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes: > >As for Adcoms Mobil, They are going with amps that canb use Balanced Inputs, a >VERY nice toy, but I'm afraid its goig to push their amps beyound resonable >price ranges. especialy because taking advantage of those balanced inputs >requires a $120+ RCA to Balanced adapter... Umm, when I was doing sound reinforcement for a living, I used to get direct boxes (which convert unbalanced 1/4"" jacks to balanced XLRs) for about $25 each, or a little more for higher quality. You'll need two for a stereo signal, of course, and a little adapter thingy from Radio Sh#$&^t to convert from RCA to 1/4"". Total cost should be around $50. You can also buy transformers for quite a bit less and wire them yourself. Total cost there should be under $30. You can get all this stuff from any pro music shop that sells sound reinforcement gear. The benefit? NO noise that you can hear will be generated in the cables going to the component with the balanced inputs, even when you run them in bad places, like next to power lines. ----- John Bell NASA Langley Research Center bell@hops.larc.nasa.gov " 7746,2,"From: GMILLS@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Phil Trodwell) Subject: cica mirror? Lines: 10 Organization: University of Waterloo Is there a ftp.cica.indiana.edu mirror anyware that isn't so !@#$@# busy? Thanks Phil Trodwell *** This space ***| ""I'd be happy to ram a goddam 440-volt cattle *** for rent. ***| prod into that tub with you right now, but not *** (cheap) ***| this radio!"" -Hunter S. Thompson " 7747,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes: >Road and Track (2/88) BMW325is 0-60 7.5s, 1/4 mile 15.7s > (Road Test > Annual 1993) 0-60 8.3s, 1/4 mile 16.2s > > >Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the >newer. sure sounds like they got a ringer. the 325is i drove was definitely faster than that. if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows 0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9. it quotes Car and Driver's figures of 6.9 and 15.3. oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i. i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it. but don't take my word for it. go drive it. -teddy " 7748,7,"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes... #[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] # #> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves #> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is #> imminent. #> #> Steve Heracleous # #You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you #go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good #job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from #me - those kids are mean. This last comment was obviously a bit cynical, but a true statement of the attitude of some drivers (there's your ""autos"" content), I would say. What law-abiding (not ""low-abiding"" as above (talk about Freudian slips!)) citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to PREVENT this type of behaviour in children. A doctor may have to use ""deadly force"" against a part of a body (like amputating it) when an infection/disease has gone too far. But his real desire would have been to *prevent* the disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud. Followups should go to alt.parents-teens Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. " 7749,8,From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: University of Washington Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <1qkie6$3nd@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can I resign BMW MOA and get the remainder of my 5-year membership refunded? 7750,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: This year the Turkish Nation is mourning and praying again for... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 207 Referring to notes from the personal diary of Russian General L. Odishe Liyetze on the Turkish front, he wrote, ""On the nights 11-12 March, 1918 alone Armenian butchers bayoneted and axed to death 3000 Muslims in areas surrounding Erzincan. These barbars threw their victims into pits, most likely dug according to their sinister plans to extinguish Muslims, in groups of 80. My adjutant counted and unearthed 200 such pits. This is an act against our world of civilization."" On March 12, 1918 Lieut-colonel Griyaznof wrote (from an official Russian account of the Turkish genocide), ""Roads leading to villages were littered with bayoneted torsos, dismembered joints and carved out organs of Muslim peasants... alas! mainly of women and children."" Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, ""Russian View on the Atrocities Committed by the Armenians Against the Turks,"" Ankara Universitesi, Ankara, 1987, pp. 45-53. ""Document No: 77,"" Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 10, Drawer No: 4, File No: 410, Section No: 1578, Contents No: 1-12, 1-18. (Acting Commander of Erzurum and Deveboynu regions and Commander of the Second Erzurum Artillery Regiment Prisoner of War, Lieutenant Colonel Toverdodleyov) ""The things I have heard and seen during the two months, until the liberation of Erzurum by the Turks, have surpassed all the allegations concerning the vicious, degenerate characteristic of the Armenians. During the Russian occupation of Erzurum, no Armenian was permitted to approach the city and its environs. While the Commander of the First Army Corps, General Kaltiyin remained in power, troops including Armenian enlisted men, were not sent to the area. When the security measures were lifted, the Armenians began to attack Erzurum and its surroundings. Following the attacks came the plundering of the houses in the city and the villages and the murder of the owners of these houses...Plundering was widely committed by the soldiers. This plunder was mainly committed by Armenian soldiers who had remained in the rear during the war. One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud, and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud and dirt... It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently. Sometime in January and February, a leading Turkish citizen Haci Bekir Efendi from Erzurum, was killed one night at his home. The Commander in Chief (Odiselidge) gave orders to find murderers within three days. The Commander in Chief has bitterly reminded the Armenian intellectuals that disobedience among the Armenian enlisted men had reached its highest point, that they had insulted and robbed the people and half of the Turks sent outside the city had not returned. ...We learnt the details this incident from the Commander-in-Chief, Odishelidge. They were as follows: The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades... More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses: 'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when the hole was full it would be covered over with soil. The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one. Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and destroyed the entire population, together with the villages. During the transportation of the cannons, ammunition and the carriages that were outside the war area, certain people were hired among the Kurdish population to conduct the horse carriages. While the travellers were passing through Erzurum, the Armenians took advantage of the time when the Russian soldiers were in their dwellings and began to kill the Kurds they had hired. When the Russian soldiers heard the cries of the dying Kurds, they attempted to help them. However, the Armenians threatened the Russian soldiers by vowing that they would have the same fate if they intervened, and thus prevented them from acting. All these terrifying acts of slaughter were committed with hatred and loathing. Lieutenant Medivani from the Russian Army described an incident that he witnessed in Erzurum as follows: An Armenian had shot a Kurd. The Kurd fell down but did not die. The Armenian attempted to force the stick in his hand into the mouth of the dying Kurd. However, since the Kurd had firmly closed his jaws in his agony, the Armenian failed in his attempt. Having seen this, the Armenian ripped open the abdomen of the Kurd, disembowelled him, and finally killed him by stamping him with the iron heel of his boot. Odishelidge himself told us that all the Turks who could not escape from the village of Ilica were killed. Their heads had been cut off by axes. He also told us that he had seen thousands of murdered children. Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov, who passed through the village of Ilica, three weeks after the massacre told us the following: There were thousands of dead bodies hacked to pieces, on the roads. Every Armenian who happened to pass through these roads, cursed and spat on the corpses. In the courtyard of a mosque which was about 25x30 meter square, dead bodies were piled to a height of 140 centimeters. Among these corpses were men and women of every age, children and old people. The women's bodies had obvious marks of rape. The genitals of many girls were filled with gun-powder. A few educated Armenian girls, who worked as telephone operators for the Armenian troops were called by Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov to the courtyard of the mosque and he bitterly told them to be proud of what the Armenians had done. To the lieutenant colonel's disgusted amazement, the Armenian girls started to laugh and giggle, instead of being horrified. The lieutenant colonel had severely reprimanded those girls for their indecent behaviour. When he told the girls that the Armenians, including women, were generally more licentious than even the wildest animals, and that their indecent and shameful laughter was the most obvious evidence of their inhumanity and barbarity, before a scene that appalled even veteran soldiers, the Armenian girls finally remembered their sense of shame and claimed they had laughed because they were nervous. An Armenian contractor at the Alaca Communication zone command narrated the following incident which took place on February 20: The Armenians had nailed a Turkish women to the wall. They had cut out the women's heart and placed the heart on top of her head. The great massacre in Erzurum began on February 7... The enlisted men of the artillery division caught and stripped 270 people. Then they took these people into the bath to satisfy their lusts. 100 people among this group were able to save their lives as the result of my decisive attempts. The others, the Armenians claimed, were released when they learnt that I understood what was going on. Among those who organized this treacherous act was the envoy to the Armenian officers, Karagodaviev. Today, some Turks were murdered on the streets. On February 12, some Armenians have shot more than ten innocent Moslems. The Russian soldiers who attempted to save these people were threatened with death. Meanwhile I imprisoned an Armenian for murdering an innocent Turk. When an Armenian officer told an Armenian murderer that he would be hanged for his crime, the killer shouted furiously: 'How dare you hang an Armenian for killing a Turk?' In Erzurum, the Armenians burned down the Turkish market. On February 17, I heard that the entire population of Tepekoy village, situated within the artillery area, had been totally annihilated. On the same day when Antranik entered Erzurum, I reported the massacre to him, and asked him to track down the perpetrators of this horrible act. However no result was achieved. In the villages whose inhabitants had been massacred, there was a natural silence. On the night of 26/27 February, the Armenians deceived the Russians, perpetrated a massacre and escaped for fear of the Turkish soldiers. Later, it was understood that this massacre had been based upon a method organized and planned in a circular. The population had been herded in a certain place and then killed one by one. The number of murders committed on that night reached three thousand. It was the Armenians who bragged to about the details of the massacre. The Armenians fighting against the Turkish soldiers were so few in number and so cowardly that they could not even withstand the Turkish soldiers who consisted of only five hundred people and two cannons, for one night, and ran away. The leading Armenians of the community could have prevented this massacre. However, the Armenian intellectuals had shared the same ideas with the renegades in this massacre, just as in all the others. The lower classes within the Armenian community have always obeyed the orders of the leading Armenian figures and commanders. I do not like to give the impression that all Armenian intellectuals were accessories to these murders. No, for there were people who opposed the Armenians for such actions, since they understood that it would yield no result. However, such people were only a minority. Furthermore, such people were considered as traitors to the Armenian cause. Some have seemingly opposed the Armenian murders but have supported the massacres secretly. Some, on the other hand, preferred to remain silent. There were certain others, who, when accused by the Russians of infamy, would say the following: 'You are Russians. You can never understand the Armenian cause.' The Armenians had a conscience. They would commit massacres and then would flee in fear of the Turkish soldiers."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 7751,15,"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 66 In article kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: >Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of >Moody Bible Institute: > >> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant >> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed >> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic >> importance of those absolutes."" > >There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on >exactly what the criticism of ""arrogance"" is aimed at. > > > >This is where the ""arrogance of Christians"" arises: many people believe >that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the >doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are >infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake. > >Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led >you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant. I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by objective means. Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-) >Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu >""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" > -- Ludwig Wittgenstein comments, criticism welcome... -Ken alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu [It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what you mean when you reject the idea of saying ""their specific beliefs are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on others."" If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that the belief is something about God, history, etc. Of course something of the form ""I believe that it's best for me not to xxx"" could be true for some people and not others. I have suggested in the past that God may be less concerned about doctrinal agreement than many people are. But that doesn't mean I doubt that there is a difference between true and false, nor that I think there is no benefit in finding out what is true. --clh] " 7752,5,"From: glb6j@smarine.UUCP (Guy Babineau) Subject: How do you find a window id given its name Keywords: xlib xwininfo Reply-To: virginia.edu!smarine.uucp!glb6j Organization: Sperry Marine, Inc. Lines: 15 I want to do the equivalent of an ""xwininfo -name"" via a call or set of calls in Xlib. I need to map a windows name to its id. It's probably easy, but I've only been programming in X for a little while. I've looked in the O'reilly books and didn't find it and I also checked the FAQ and couldn't find it. Email to one of the following addresses and I'll post a response if it seems reasonable to do so. Guy -- Guy L. Babineau virginia.edu!smarine.uucp!glb6j Sperry Marine Inc. 72147.2474@compuserve.com " 7753,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 110 Jesus: > ""This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but > men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds > are evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will > not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be > exposed."" Kent Sandvik says: >It seems we are dealing with a black-and-white interpretation. >Brian, are you subtly accusing me of evil things because I never >saw the light? However, this is even more confusing because >I even admit that I don't like the situation where I'm not >informed. Black and white. A spade is a spade. There is no hidden agenda behind this, so stop trying to look for one. It is an easy and as straight forward as it reads. Kent, I am not accusing you of evil things. Jesus is accusing you. And it is not only you that He is accusing. He is accusing everyone. Me, you and everyone in the world is guilty. Whether one sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with whether we do evil things. We do them regardless. Jesus uses the word ""men"". I am included. Jesus is not soloing you out. Jesus is making a general statement about out the sad state of man. Christians are not immuned from doing evil things. A Christian is just a person in whom the Holy Spirit indwells. A Christian can see the evil he is doing--because his evil has been brought out into the light. Jesus is not saying that just because evil has been exposed, that the Christian will stop doing evil. If you haven't seen Jesus's light, your evil deeds simply haven't been exposed to the His light. You may shed some light on your own. Your human spirit shines at perhaps 1 candela. But the Holy Spirit shines at a Megacandela. The Holy Spirit can shine light into places inside us where we didn't even know existed. So do you see Jesus's point? Christians are not perfect. Nonchristians are not perfect. Nonchristians do not want to come into the Light of Jesus because they will see all the problems in their lives, and they will not like the sight. It is an ugly thing to see how far we have fallen from Jesus's perspective. Do you think you want to know how really ignorant you are? Do you think Brian Kendig wants to know? Do you think I want to know? Ego verses the truth, which do you choose? >I'm watching the news about a man who saw the light, and made >sure that the 19 children burned to death as part of his insight >into the light. I don't think the world is that simple. And if >you act in such ways when you are enlighted, then I'm a happy >man and I pray I will never receive such 'light'. And I watched Koresh too, an imposter who thought he saw the light, who made sure that the 19 children burned to death, sadly, as part of his delusion. It is even sadder that the people who died with him chose to die with them, and that ignorance was their downfall to death. And Kent, don't you bury yourself underneath a rock with an excuse like bringing up Koresh--as if Koresh actually had truth in him. David Koresh was no light and no excuse for you to stay away from the real Jesus Christ. David Koresh, who claimed to be Jesus, was a fraud. It was obvious. David Koresh was born in America. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Koresh wasn't even a good imposter having missed an obvious point as that. Jesus warned of such imposters in the end-times. David Koresh wasn't anything new to Jesus. Jesus told us to be aware of imposters 2000 years ago. So the next time an imposter makes a scene and claims to be Jesus. Ask the obvious. Where were you born? Was your mother's name Mary? If the Branch Davidians asked that simple question, they would have labeled Koresh a liar right from the start. The wouldn't have followed Koresh. They wouldn't have died. But look what happened. Their ignorance cost them their lives. Their choice to be ignorant cost them a lot. Kent, since you studied the Bible under Lutheranism, do you not remember what tactic Satan used to try to tempt Jesus? Did not Satan quote the Bible out of context? Do you remember what tactic the serpent of Genesis used to tempt Eve? Did he not misquote God? What Satan used on Eve and succeeded, was the same ploy he tried on Jesus. But in Jesus's case, Jesus rebuked Satan back with the Bible _in_ context. It didn't work with Jesus. Does what Satan did to Eve in the Garden and what Satan tried to do with Jesus in the desert remind you of what Koresh did to his followers? Who did Koresh emulate? Who was Koresh's teacher? Koresh did to his followers what Satan did to Eve. Did not Koresh kill his followersr? Did not Satan cause Adam and Eve to die as well? Did not the cult followers believe Koresh even though they knew the real Christ was born in Bethlehem? Did not Eve choose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil despite knowing that it would cause her death? God held them all responsible--deceiver and the rebeller. None of them had an excuse. As opposed to the Branch Davidians, we have a second chance. Follow Jesus and he will escort us to the path of eternal life. Don't follow Jesus, and you stand condemned already, for like the Branch Davidian complex, your house is already on fire. Satan, Adam and Eve have already set it ablaze. It is just a slow burn, but it is burning nevertheless. " 7754,12,"From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 25 nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes: > >From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive >device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking >up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would >be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of >detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. > Unfortunately, you're wrong on both counts. The most common method of implementing a tunable receiver is to have a local oscillator. The local oscillator's frequency can be radiated out of the receiver via the antenna unless the circuit is designed and constructed with great care. For a reference on detecting radios, get the paperback book _Spy Catcher_. The author discovered how to detect radio receivers from their local oscillator emissions back in the *1950s* while he worked for British Intelligence. -Greg -- ::::::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews gerg@netcom.com ::::::::::::::::::: Fortune Cookie: Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: " 7755,5,"From: marc@pinet.aip.org (Marc Wiener) Subject: core dump from getcons(?) Organization: American Institute of Physics Lines: 11 We are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif session under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000/240. An examintion of the core file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what this is all about? marc -- Marc Wiener | marc@aip.org American Institute of Physics | 500 Sunnyside Blvd. | Voice: (516)576-2329 Woodbury, NY 11797 | Fax: (516)349-7669 " 7756,5,"From: markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Keywords: XTerm In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes: |> |> In article , thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: |> |> >Hey guys! |> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname |> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only |> |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear |> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. |> |> >How can I do it? |> |> |> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support |> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your |> |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. |> |> |> |> if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then |> |> echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" |> |> endif |> |> |> |> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm. |> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ? |> Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they |> are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced, |> but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ? |> This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work |> on xterms. It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original question: I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop menu. Here is a sample command: xterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i & The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following: I have an alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current directory path in the title bar of my xterms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____ UniDo / Ingolf Markhof University of Dortmund, LS Informatik XII ___/ / P.O. Box 500 500, D-4600 Dortmund 50, F.R. Germany \ \ / Phone: +49 (231) 755 6142, Fax: +49 (231) 755 6555 \__\/ Email: markhof@ls12.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 7757,7,"From: jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu (John Denune) Subject: Re: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions? Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pandora.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Karl Elvis MacRae (kmac@cisco.com) wrote: : I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all : three have any strong opinions? : : Ford Explorer : Toyota 4Runner : Nissan Pathfinder Well, I was just in your position and I drove all three and liked all three. It was a toss-up. I marginally went with the Pathfinder based on reliability and looks. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. ---John jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu " 7758,0,"From: nancyo@shnext15.ucslabs.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) Subject: Re: THE POPE IS JEWISH! Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.180024.19308@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: +Last night, while watching the 2a.m. rebroadcast of Jerry Springer (a +talk show) I heard this Jewel of a thought from a 12 year old racist. +The focus of this show was on these kids and their hatred for the Jewish +religion, and why. [some stuff deleted] +Interesting (and scary) no? They went on to say how the Jews had +killed their god, and how in the end of time that all the races would +go to their homelands (of course, they would remain in America, which +is New Jeruselem, as it says in Gen 2??? (what another kid said) but +the rest of the races would go home) and then the great battle or plague +or whatever Revel. says would happen, and the jews would be killed. + +The most interesting thing about this was that my roomate is Catholic, +and had the KJV of the Bible on his desk. He immediatly opened it up +and began to search for the quoted passages (Gen, Rev, and John) to +look for himself, and couldn't find what they said they saw. I don't +know I saw this show a while back, and when I heard these kids quote the Bible to justify their racist claims, I looked up that quote about Jesus hating Jews (since Jesus himself was a Jew, my curiousity had been piqued by such a claim). The jist of the passage (and I am sorry but I can't recall which passage it was exactly) was that Jesus was condemning the Pharisees for being corrupt. Of course, the Pharisees were Jewish too, but it wasn't Jews as a whole that Jesus was condemning, just the powers that be. -- Nancy O'Connor + Psychology undergrad + The opinions I express Simon Fraser University, + are my own. Burnaby, B.C. + CANADA + " 7759,1,"From: r0506048@cml3 (Chun-Hung Lin) Subject: Re: JPEG file format? Nntp-Posting-Host: cml3.csie.ntu.edu.tw Reply-To: r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw Organization: Communication & Multimedia Lab, NTU, Taiwan X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 20 peterbak@microsoft.com (Peter Bako) writes: : : Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically : I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of : the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used. : : Any suggestions? : : Peter Try ftp.uu.net, in /graphics/jpeg. -- -------------------------------- ================================================================= Chun-Hung Lin ( ªL«T§» ) r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw Communication & Multimedia Lab. Dept. of Comp. Sci. & Info. Eng. National Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C. ================================================================= " 7760,12,"From: harry@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Harry Langenbacher) Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply Article-I.D.: jato.1993Apr15.225326.22831 Organization: JPL Pasadena CA Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov In article NURDEN1@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (Dale Nurden) writes: >I'm wanting to build a simple UPS for my PC. ... sustain the computer long enough to complete >the current task and save, 5 to 10 minutes should be enough.... >I think, though I don't really need to keep the monitor active (I can try to >remember what to do) so maybe I can avoid a DC-AC inverter and just use a >battery to directly supply the motherboard and peripherals. Now there's a good idea ! All you need is 20 amps DC for a few minutes, and a good (wetware) memory (was I using wp or autocad or ...). I thought of the same idea myself a few days ago. I've got a fairly new car battery that I take along in my 4x4 when I go camping, and it sits around useless when I'm home. I wish I could get a batteryless ups to use it with, or use it with a heavy duty 5-volt regulator to supply the PC. But I guess you'd need -5v and -12v (and +12) too (2 more batteries ?). An alternative would be to leave a 40 AMP battery charger hooked up to the battery and run a 12vdc to 110vac converter running all the time, and when the power goes out, voi-la ! the 110vac converter keeps on running off the battery ! and then I could take the 110vac converter and my computer on the camping trips !-) -- Harry Langenbacher 818-354-9513 harry%neuron6@jpl-mil.jpl.nasa.gov FAX 818-393-4540, Concurrent Processing Devices Group, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, M/S 302-231, 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 USA " 7761,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 47 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot) writes: > In green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: > >Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that > >there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also > >been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which > >rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. > > Consider this: The BDs had more than one lamp; The tanks made more than > one hole in the building. Did anyone else notice on the video that it > appeared that wherever there was smoke coming out of the building, there > was a tank nearby? > > The fact that it appears that fires started in several places does not > rule out anything. I watched it live, and have re-watched it several times, and from the press vantage point, there was only one starting point visible, where the tank punched in on the windward side, and the winds whipped that fire across the whole, dry, wooden, structure in minutes. Faned by the 30 mph gusts, and the Hueys. If there were other fires started, they were not visible, nor were they needed to cause the flame progression I observed. > > Also, where are these several witnesses? The way I heard it (from the FBI > spokesman on CNN) the ""witnesses"" were all people driving the tanks. > All witnesses get thier paychecks from the FBI. > >One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the > >""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy > >had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. > > Too bad nothing will happen to her or him. The FBI and the media have > done their job well. > Yep. They media has endorsed the FBI version without question. Sad. > Dwayne Jacques Fontenot Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 7762,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? I don't know a whole lot on Proton, but given that it is a multi stage rocket, up to 4 stages, it may not really need the Centaur, plus it may end up seriously beating on said centaur. Also, the centaur is not small, unless the Proton has an oversize shroud you may not be able to get the centaur in under it. Dennis, you know much about this? pat " 7763,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? Probably because everyone (that is, everyone who has cable) can watch every Braves game. They are the only team that has all of its games broadcast nationwide. And if you don't like your local team, or you don't have a local team, the Braves can kind of become your local team because you can watch them every day. --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan =========================================================================== | ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated."" | | -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | =========================================================================== " 7764,12,"From: mark@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) Subject: Re: Rumors Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.199.55.11 Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr2.174851.22659@cs.unca.edu>, kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes: |> I just heard an unbelievable rumor that Motorola has decided to drop their |> integrated circuit manufacture business. Apparently a Digikey rep called |> one of our production coordinators, for out information so that we could |> make plans to deal with this, that Moto was getting out. Anybody else |> get a call about this? |> |> Too much for me. It's about like Intel announcing they were getting out |> of the IC business. This rumor didn't happen to appear on April 1st? If this DigiKey rep was serious, I think I will buy my parts elsewhere. If that is the way they do business, you cannot trust them. Mark " 7765,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: ramsey.1993Apr6.045046.5658 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 15 In rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard ""The Racist"" Rauser) writes: [all kinds of unacceptably racist drivel deleted] And after that we find the man has absolutely nothing to say. Richard J. Rauser, you are a dishonourable little man. caustically, when necessary, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 7766,3,"From: staffan@alsys.se (Staffan K-E Ungsgard) Subject: Genius Mouse driver Summary: Genius mouse driver wanted Keywords: mouse, genius Organization: Alsys AB (Telesoft Norden AB) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 15 Hello fellow netlanders. I have a Genius Mouse model GM-6, but no driver for it. It's a 3 button mouse. If anyone that;s got one of theese could mail me a driver (config.sys or autoexec.bat) I would be very happy. -- Staffan Ungsgard : Internet: Telesoft Norden AB : Staffan.Ungsgard@nynashamn.telesoft.se Utsiktsvagen 10, : Phone: +46-8 52069014 Nynashamn, Sweden : Fax: +46-8 52020965 " 7767,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 25 In article <22APR93.23368145.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA writes: >In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes: >>From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel : >>There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this >>respect. >> >>Israel allows freedom of religion. >Avi, > For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is >no compulsion in religion. Does Judaism permit freedom of religion >(i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism). Just wondering. In Islam, there is no compulsion, just a tax on dhimini. In Judaism, non-Jews are allowed to do as they wish, and there is no effort made to convert them. Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 7768,6,"From: orobles@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Oscar B Robles) Subject: FORSALE: NEW HP48SX WITH SOFTWARE. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 I bought my HP48sx calculator a month ago, used once but put it back in the box. Includes manual and I'm including about 7 high density disks packed with dozens if not hundreds of games and programs. All you need to do is buy the pc cable for around $20 bucks so you could use the software. $255 shipping included or best offer. Thanx.l " 7769,5,"From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Hi everyone, Does anyone know a good way to adjust colourmaps on the fly (say during an animation) and prevent the current set of colours from flickering? Thanks, Robert robert@acsc.com " 7770,16,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: na X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 39 Steve Kao (k@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote: : Frank Crary posted: : : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the : : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that : : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without : : any paperwork at all. : Steve Manes asks: : > Got a citation for this? : Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun : control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK. His book, : _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name : may be misspelled). Others dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, , and Newton and Zimring's . But, again, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to quantify. I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). If Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and coordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my friend, Amanda from Brighton. I used to have some pretty nice crystal in my place until she moved in. I've gotten used to the snide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber wine glasses. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 7771,8,"From: dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) Subject: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect) Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 16 In article hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes: > >>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each > ^^^^^^ > excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. Squids are everybody but me and you. Chris Behanna is especially a squid. -- * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ | Views expressed here are * * (310) 337-5136 | mine and do not necessarily * * dana@locus.com DoD #466 | reflect those of my employer * * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests * " 7772,16,"From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) Subject: Re: CNN for sale Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: bree.eng.umd.edu In article kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes: >If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors, >you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above Seems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just buy your $1000 worth of stock today. It's being traded everyday. After you own your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later. It's probably even a good investment. Chuck Harris - WA3UQV chuck@eng.umd.edu " 7773,7,"From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt) Subject: Seeking good Alfa Romeo mechanic. Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.unc.edu Keywords: alfa, romeo, spider, mechanic I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby. I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work done. The body is in quite good shape. The car is awful in cold weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a Spider if there's snow on the ground ...). It has Bosch *mechanical* fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment. Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call. Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want. Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) " 7774,9,"From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: na Lines: 38 In <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >|> In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: >|> >In article niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: >|> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for >|> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as >|> >>Alomar last year. >|> > >|> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count) >|> >that you are basing this statement on? >|> >|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter >|> last year. >|> >|> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E >|> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 >|> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 >|> >This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last >year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga >had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage >for Alomar is OBP Hmmm...what about walks and SB? Baerga got clobbered by Alomar in OBP and beat him in SLG by a lesser margin. Even putting aside any other factors, a player with a 51 point edge in OBP is more productive than a player with a 28 point edge in SLG. The issue has been studied before, and I doubt you could come up with any convincing argument the other way. People see the batting average and the HR, but they don't really know their value is worth unless they've studied the issue closely. The fact is that Baerga ate up a LOT more outs than Alomar; while Baerga was making outs, Alomar was drawing walks and being on base for Carter, Winfield et.al. Gord Niguma (fav player: John Olerud) " 7775,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Fractals? What good are they ? Organization: Purdue University Lines: 16 In article mdpyssc@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (Sue Cunningham) writes: > We have been using Iterated Systems compression board to compress > pathology images and are getting ratios of 40:1 to 70:1 without too > much loss in quality. It is taking about 4 mins per image to compress, > on a 25Mhz 486 but decompression is almost real time on a 386 in software > alone. How does that compare with JPEG on the same images and hardware as far as size, speed, and image quality are concerned? Despite my skeptical and sometimes nearly rabid postings criticizing Barnsley and company, I am very interested in the technique. If I weren't I probably wouldn't be so critical. :-) ab " 7776,9,"From: sac@asdi.saic.com (Steve A. Conroy x6172) Subject: Re: Darrrrrrrrryl Organization: SAIC Lines: 33 In article , mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: |> |> |> The media is beating the incident at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday to |> death, but I haven't seen anything in rsb yet. |> |> Gerald Perry of the Cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two |> on and his club down by a run. He stroked a line drive into the |> right field corner. The ball cleared the three-foot high fence and |> went into the crowd. Darryl, racing over from right center, got to |> the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence, but he |> missed the ball. A fan sitting in the front row, wearing a mitt, |> reached up and caught the ball. Home run. |> |> Now I've seen the replay several times and I have concluded that |> Darryl missed the ball, and that the fan's glove was essentially |> behind Darryl's. Several Dodger fans with seats in the immediate |> vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with |> Strawberry. What cannot be disputed, however, is that the fan |> who caught the ball never took his eye off it; he was oblivious |> to where the fielder was playing. He was also quite exuberant as |> soon as he realized he had made the catch. |> |> [Stuff about Daryl and Tommy and everyone blaming fan for the loss deleted] I saw the replay several times too. No question about it. Daryl missed the ball, *then* the fan caught it. Daryl is so tall that he had the first shot at the ball. Daryl's just whining again. I think it shows a lack of class when Tommy, Daryl and the Dodgers blame a single fan for losing the game. What about the pitcher who threw up the gopher ball? What about the pitchers that gave up 6 runs up to that point? Sorry, Tommy. If it were a 2-1 game and Daryl was 5 feet 2 inches tall, then maybe - just maybe - you'd have an argument. " 7777,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr18.032405.23325@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: >In article brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: > >[...]> >>The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, >>would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You >[...]> >>Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences >>of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse >>than the consequences of a secret backup. > >If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have >secure crypto. If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have >no crypto. Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better >than secure crypto. No, the poster (me) has his brain in the wrong gear. As you can infer from the first sentence, I meant the consequences of no backup are *better* than the consequences of an easy to copy database. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 7778,19,"From: starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Reply-To: starowl@rahul.net Organization: Southeast Alabama Society of Warm and Fuzzy Star Worshippers Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] On 15 Apr 1993 22:34:40 GMT, Eric Sieferman observed: : Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. : Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. : If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, : do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been : reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not : on the Endangered Species List. How about ""washed in the blood of Barney the Dinosaur""? :) -- Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) " 7779,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > > :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack > > :has 2^80 possible keys. > > > > We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. > > That doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something >they can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be >verified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the >chip, then see what happens to the output.... If the device is designed to use the key that's registered with the Feds, I don't see how you -can- feed it a different key. If the user can change the key to any of the 2^80 possibilities, the main reason for regarding this proposal as unacceptable disappears. " 7780,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Blindsight Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 14 In article <1993Mar26.185117.21400@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >In article <33587@castle.ed.ac.uk> hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic) writes: >compensation? Or are lesions localized to the SC too rare to be able >to tell? Extremely rare in humans. Usually so much else is involved you'd just have a mess to sort out. Birds do all vision in the tectum, don't they? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7781,8,"From: garym@cycle.mentorg.com (Gary Myron) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Nntp-Posting-Host: cycle.mentorg.com Organization: Mentor Graphics Keywords: Lines: 21 > Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco > to Seattle? And how much might it cost? I shipped my K75S from Portland Oregon to Daytona for this years bike week (I rode it back!). The company I used is The Federal Co's. You can reach them at 1-800-747-4100 ex 214. You either have to be a AMA member, or maybe it is just a discount for AMA, not sure. (Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN to become an AMA member) The shipping cost is based on the number of miles. It cost me about $500 for Portland to Orlando. $80 of that was insurance. All I had to do is ride it to the shipping dock and siphon the gas out. I think they can also pick up the bike from any business. The bike arrived on-time at Orlando. All I had to do was adjust the mirrors and add gas. The bike was in perfect shape! --Gary " 7782,6,"Subject: Amplifiers and Speakers From: krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (Karl Schimmel) Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks Lines: 27 FOR SALE(of course) Linear Power model 952 IQ 2 channel automotive stereo amplifier 95 watts peak per channel 2 ohm stable fidelity tested $100 You pay shipping 1 Pair (two (2)) Mobile Authority woofers 10 inch 2 inch voice coil 20 oz magnet 130 watt peak power handeling 4 ohms $40 for both, you pay shipping (will not sell seperatly) reply thru e-mail to: Karl R. Schimmel The Wichita State University %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %krschimm at twsuvax krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% " 7783,12,"From: garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group Lines: 42 Distribution: world Reply-To: garyg@warren.mentorg.com NNTP-Posting-Host: garyg.warren.mentorg.com In article 1834@cmkrnl.com, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: >In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >> SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the >> same electrical circuit if I hooked the jumper from the neutral >> over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. >> What's wrong with my reasoning here? > >What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is >to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact, >depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*. You still need to supply a proper ground for a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter! So rewiring is still a part of this job, however, the ground may be connected to a local earth ground, rather than back at the breaker box. As Jamie said, GFCI devices are required by code in a number of places, most notably: bathrooms, and outside the house. I do suggest the use of GFCI outlets, rather than the breakers. You will end up with much less headaches. Noise pickup in long cable runs is sometimes enough to cause frequent tripping of the breakers. GFCI devices do save lives, if you decide to install them, be sure to check them regularly (using the test button). Running the family business (electrical supplies and lighting) for many years, I have seen too many seasoned electricians fried, because they forgot to double check their common sense list. Please exercise caution. --- Gary Gendel Vice President: Current consulting assignment: Genashor Corp Mentor Graphics Corporation 9 Piney Woods Drive 15 Independence Boulevard Belle Mead, NJ 08502 Warren, NJ 07059 phone: (908) 281-0164 phone: (908) 604-0883 fax: (908) 281-9607 email: garyg@warren.mentorg.com " 7784,8,"Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 29 In article jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu writes: >behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >|> While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2"" deep >|> well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2"" bolt or >|> nut? When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"" >|> deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!! > >Not to imply that you didn't, but since you didn't mention it..... >did you measure the size of your test nut with callipers? Were all three >""cross lengths"" no more than 1/2""? I've seen bolt heads, and even a few >nuts, which got slightly thicker further down toward the basa... sort of >a trapizodial cross section. That I did not do; however, the sample bolt I took to the store fit rather well in the following: 1/2"" open end wrench, 1/2"" box end wrench, 1/2"" 12-point normal socket. I take that as meaning it's a 1/2"" bolt head. >But as several people have pointed out, and as I'm noting in the tool FAQ >I'm writing up in case anyone will want it, a lifetime guarantee doesn't >necessiarly mean better tools. Yup. At $6 a socket, I want the @#$@# thing to FIT! Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 7785,12,"From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: > I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and > I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets > are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, > the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground > wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the > 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground > wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > > SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the > same electrical circuit if I hooked the jumper from the neutral > over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. > What's wrong with my reasoning here? No. No. NOOO!!! The ground (green) wire is for safety. No current is supposed to flow in it under normal conditions. This means that there's normally no voltage drop in it either. It is supposed to be safe to touch the ground wire... even if you're grounded in some other way at the same time. The neutral (white) wire is, as Dave Vanderbyl correctly said, the return for the hot wire. Since current flows in it, there's a voltage drop. If you plug a heavy load into a properly-wired grounded outlet, you can commonly measure a volt or so of difference between neutral and ground. They are supposed to be connected together at the breaker panel... but nowhere, repeat NOwhere, else. (Well, almost. There are strange exceptions for things like sub-panels.) What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact, depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*. There is a FAQ on electrical wiring, posted regularly to rec.woodworking and news.answers. It goes into great detail on these issues (including GFCIs) and you should probably read it before asking any more questions. I'll mail a copy to you, append a copy here, and will ask the writers to cross-post it here in the future. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 " 7786,1,"From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) Subject: Re: Need a good concave -> convex polygon algorithm Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US Lines: 16 In article rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Richard Stoakley) writes: > We need a good concave ->convex polygon conversion routine. >I've tried a couple without much luck. Please E-mail responses and I >will post a summary of any replies. Thank you. > >Richard Stoakley >rws2v@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU The problem is not precisely defined above, but if you need to find the smallest convex polygon that encloses a given polygon, then you are seeking the convex hull of your original polygon. There are two ways to do this: use a somewhat tricky but by-now well examined linear-time algorithm that exploits the polygon boundary, or just feed the vertices of the original polygon to a convex hull routine and accept O(n log n). Both methods are discussed in Preparata and Shamos, for example. " 7787,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Public Schedule 4.15.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release March 14, 1993 PUBLIC EVENTS ON THE PRESIDENT'S SCHEDULE FOR THURSDAY, APRIL 15, 1993 10:20 am EST The President meets with Leadership of Law enforcement organizations -- The Rose Garden OPEN PRESS 3:00 AM EDT The President meets with the National Ambassador for the March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation -- The Oval Office TV POOL, OPEN STILL PHOTO, WRITING POOL 3:15 AM EDT The President meets with Mosaic Minstrels of New York, NY -- The Rose Garden OPEN PHOTO, WRITING POOL 3:30 AM EDT The President meets with the Berwick, PA, High School Bulldogs, AAA State Football Champions -- The South Lawn OPEN PHOTO, WRITING POOL UPCOMING EVENTS ON THE PRESIDENT'S SCHEDULE April 16, 1993 The President meets with Japanese Prime Minister Miyazawa, The White House April 26, 1993 President Clinton meets with President Amato of Italy, The White House -30-30-30 " 7788,18,"From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) Subject: response Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 113 Fucking news reader... I don't think this got posted... If it did, ignore it this time. (A response to Korey) ------------ begin my response ----------------- In article <1plorlINNslt@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse) writes: >lamontg@u.washington.edu writes: >[...] >> >>well, i just did a quick medline scan and came up with the following article >>by Tashkin that reviews the literature, i'd probably start here... > >> Document 13 >>AN 90273700. 9007A. >>AU Tashkin-D-P. >>IN Department of Medicine, University of California, School of Medicine, >> Los Angeles 90024. >>TI Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse. >>RF REVIEW ARTICLE: 61 REFS. [...] >Why isn't this information in the FAQ on marijuana ? If we expect >people to think we are telling them the truth about drugs, why does >this group constantly refute every negative thing about almost all >drugs. Maybe because the claims deserve refute? The above abstract lists various possible links to cannabis use (unfiltered almost guaranteed) and lung problems. Someone may get overly excited when they see that article, but without actually digging up the study and seeing how the studies gathered their data it really doesn't tell you shit. I'm going to track down that study hopefully tomarrow. [...] >I never claimed pot was more or less damageing than >cigarettes......I was just trying to keep ourselves honest. If we are >going to educate kids...and adults...and tell them the truth about drugs >don't you think a much better approach would be to list the pro's and >con's of each type of drug. What justifies _the_ truth about drugs? Research? What sort of research? Correlational data can help establish a theory, but it does not prove anything. >How can you expect someone to make a >decision when the PDFA on one hand says that all drugs are absolutely >BAD BAD BAD.....and this newsgroup consistently refuses to admit that >drugs like heroin even have negative side effects. Heroin _is_ a relatively safe drug. What makes it unsafe are IV administration and shit like adulterants. There are side effects, like withdrawal, but they effect people differently. >I've seen numerous >posts claiming heroin has lower addiction rates that cigarettes, which >might be true, but it is very deceiving, because heroin is much more >harmful drug to be addicted to than cigarettes. Heroin addicts are >far more prone to end up in the gutter and destroy their family and >friends than people addicted to just cigarettes. Stereotypical statement. I know people who use heroin and opiates that function just fine in society. >This group does >provide some very good information to people, but I am worried that >the pro-legalization/pro-decriminalization movement is being hurt when >it refuses to admit that any/some drugs are VERY harmful.... Name some of these drugs so we can debate about them more specifically. [...] > I'm all for legalization of most drugs, but when someone asks me >about relative risks of certain drugs or possible bad side effects, I >would like to know them....and not be given the run-around by this >group....which recently tried to tell me that pot was not harmful in >any manner to people's lungs. NO, NO, NO. (or at least I haven't been arguing this). there is not enough data to form a scientific conclusion. that _doesn't_ mean that cannabis is benign to users' lungs. we can form all the theories we want, but they are only theories. some theories are supported by more evidence than others, and that makes them stronger. >I think it's time y'all re-examined >your positions and try to understand that you cannot fight the PDFA >by calling them a bunch of liars.... the hell I can't! they state *UN-JUSTIFIED CONCLUSIONS* *AS FACT* as a *POLITICAL* strategy to stop drug use. [...] In general, I somewhat see what you're saying. And people like Jack Herer contribute to this. This has been quite a big mind-fuck for me recently, and I've pretty came to the conclusion that you can't trust _ANYBODY_ by word of mouth alone -- my attitude about the general population has decreased significantly. gotta run to class.. -marc andersom@spot.colorado.edu > _ _ _ _ _ _ kkruse@ksuvm.bitnet >|/ | | |_) |_ \ / | |/ |_) | | (_` |_ kkruse@ksuvm.ksu.edu >|\ |_| | \ |_ | (_| |\ | \ |_| ._) |_ kkruse@matt.ksu.edu " 7789,10,"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) Subject: NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-15-93 Organization: AT&T Keywords: thursday night's boxscores Lines: 227 NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/15/93. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STANDINGS PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT xPIT 56 21 7 119 xBOS 51 26 7 109 xCHI 47 25 12 106 xVAN 46 29 9 101 yWAS 42 34 7 91 yQUE 47 27 10 104 yDET 47 28 9 103 yCAL 43 30 11 97 yNJ 40 36 7 87 yMON 48 30 6 102 yTOR 44 29 11 99 yLA 39 35 10 88 yNYI 39 37 7 85 yBUF 38 36 10 86 ySTL 37 36 11 85 yWIN 40 37 7 87 PHL 35 37 11 81 HAR 26 51 6 58 MIN 36 38 10 82 EDM 26 50 8 60 NYR 34 38 11 79 OTT 10 70 4 24 TB 23 54 7 53 SJ 11 71 2 24 x - Clinched Division Title y - Clinched Playoff Berth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minnesota North Stars (36-38-10) 1 1 1 - 3 Detroit Red Wings (47-28-9) 0 2 3 - 5 1st period: MIN, McPhee 18 - (Ludwig) 1:23 2nd period: MIN, Dahlen 34 - (Courtnall, Gagner) (pp) 0:31 DET, Drake 18 - (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14 DET, Ysebaert 34 - (Lidstrom, Howe) (pp) 17:37 3rd period: DET, Ciccarelli 41 - (Coffey, Chiasson) (pp) 0:32 DET, Kennedy 19 - (Burr, Probert) 3:42 DET, Yzerman 58 - (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17 MIN, Dahlen 35 - (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11 Powerplay Opportunities-North Stars 1 of 2 Red Wings 2 of 4 Shots on GOal- North Stars 10 9 11 - 30 Red Wings 6 15 8 - 29 Minnesota North Stars--Casey (26-26-5) (29 shots - 24 saves) Detroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (34-24-7) (30 shots - 27 saves) ATT-19,749 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philadelphia Flyers (35-37-11) 1 2 4 - 7 Buffalo Sabres (38-36-10) 0 3 1 - 4 1st period: PHL, Recchi 52 - (Galley, Lindros) 0:18 2nd period: PHL, Hawgood 11 - (Dineen, Eklund) (pp) 2:15 PHL, Dineen 33 - (McGill) (sh) 5:40 BUF, Barnaby 1 - (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) (pp) 7:48 BUF, Wood 18 - (LaFontaine, Ledyard) (pp) 17:34 BUF, Mogilny 75 - (Hawerchuk, Carney) (pp) 18:56 3rd period: PHL, Eklund 11 - (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42 BUF, Mogilny 76 - (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24 PHL, Dineen 34 - (Brind'Amour) (pp) 6:44 PHL, Dineen 35 - (Brind'Amour, Galley) (sh) 8:39 PHL, Acton 8 - (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48 Powerplay Opportunities-Flyers 2 of 5 Sabres 3 of 10 SHots on Goal- Flyers 6 7 13 - 26 Sabres 8 19 18 - 45 Philadelphia Flyers--Soderstrom (20-17-6) (45 shots - 41 saves) Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (10 shots - 7 saves) Hasek (11-10-4) (5:40 second) (16 shots - 12 saves) ATT-15,042 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edmonton Oilers (26-50-8) 0 0 0 - 0 Winnipeg Jets (40-37-7) 1 2 0 - 3 1st period: WIN, Shannon 20 - (Steen, Davydov) (pp) 2:08 2nd period: WIN, Selanne 76 - (Olausson) 5:25 WIN, Zhamnov 25 - (Selanne) 19:42 3rd period: NONE Powerplay Opportunities-Oilers 0 of 3 Jets 1 of 6 SHots on GOal- Oilers 7 8 16 - 31 Jets 10 16 16 - 42 Edmonton Oilers--Ranford (17-38-6) (42 shots - 39 saves) Winnipeg Jets--Essensa (33-26-6) (31 shots - 31 saves) ATT-12,229 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toronto Maple Leafs (44-29-11) 1 1 0 - 2 Chicago BlackHawks (47-25-12) 0 2 1 - 3 1st period: TOR, Baumgartner 1 - 18:40 2nd period: CHI, Roenick 50 - (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29 TOR, Andreychuk 55 - (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22 CHI, Murphy 7 - (Roenick, Chelios) (pp) 19:05 3rd period: CHI, Matteau 15 - 10:51 Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 3 BlackHawks 1 of 7 Shots on Goal- Maple Leafs 14 4 8 - 26 BlackHawks 10 13 13 - 36 Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (25-15-7) (36 shots - 33 saves) Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (41-18-11) (26 shots - 24 saves) ATT-17,856 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tampa Bay Lightning (23-54-7) 0 2 3 - 5 St. Louis Blues (37-36-11) 3 3 0 - 6 1st period: STL, Shanahan 50 - (Brown, Felsner) 10:44 STL, Miller 23 - (Bassen, Brown) 19:38 STL, Bassen 8 - (Zombo) 19:48 2nd period: STL, Bassen 9 - (Hedican, Miller) 0:14 STL, Miller 24 - (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09 TBL, Maltais 7 - (Hamrlik) 11:27 TBL, Bergland 3 - (Harvey, Gilhen) 17:16 TBL, Shanahan 51 - (Emerson) 19:38 3rd period: TBL, Creighton 19 - (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40 TBL, Chambers 10 - (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37 TBL, Cole 12 - (Beers, Bradley) 11:58 Powerplay Opportunities-Lightning 0 of 3 Blues 0 of 4 SHots on GOal- Lightning 5 12 14 - 31 Blues 11 11 4 - 26 Tampa Bay Lightning--Jablonski (8-24-4) (22 shots - 16 saves) Bergeron (0:00 third) (4 shots - 4 saves) St. Louis Blues--Joseph (29-28-9) (18 shots - 15 saves) Hebert (19:20 third) (13 shots - 11 saves) ATT-17,816 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- San Jose Sharks (11-71-2) 0 1 2 - 3 Calgary Flames (43-30-11) 0 4 3 - 7 1st period: NONE 2nd period: SJS, Garpenlov 22 - (Odgers, Gaudreau) (pp) 3:37 CAL, Nieuwendyk 38 - (MacInnis, Suter) (pp) 5:26 CAL, Ranheim 21 - (Otto, Suter) 10:43 CAL, Yawney 1 - (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26 CAL, Berube 4 - (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45 3rd period: SJS, Wood 1 - (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00 CAL, Reichel 40 - 9:26 CAL, Roberts 38 - (Musil, Paslawski) (pp) 12:27 SJS, Kisio 26 - 13:10 CAL, Paslawski 18 - (Ashton, Stern) 16:16 Powerplay Opportunities-Sharks 1 of 3 Flames 2 of 4 Shots on Goal- Sharks 5 11 9 - 25 Flames 11 14 7 - 32 San Jose Sharks--Irbe (7-25-0) (32 shots - 25 saves) Calgary Flames--Vernon (29-26-9) (25 shots - 22 saves) ATT-19,532 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Canucks (46-29-9) 1 2 5 - 8 Los Angeles Kings (39-35-10) 2 3 1 - 6 1st period: LAK, Robitaille 63 - (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39 VAN, Babych 3 - (Craven, Nedved) (pp) 9:43 LAK, Sandstrom 25 - (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06 2nd period: VAN, Linden 32 - (Ronning, Courtnall) (pp) 0:54 VAN, Ward 22 - (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24 LAK, Gretzky 16 - (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57 LAK, Zhitnik 12 - (Kurri, Robitaille) (pp) 14:02 LAK, Millen 23 - (Hardy) (pp) 16:57 3rd period: VAN, Ronning 27 - (Dirk) 5:28 VAN, Ronning 28 - (Courtnall, Linden) (pp) 11:15 VAN, Linden 33 - (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27 LAK, Donnelly 29 - (Millen, Granato) (pp) 14:35 VAN, Courtnall 31 - (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54 VAN, Ronning 29 - (Linden, Diduck) (en) 18:47 Powerplay Opportunities-Canucks 3 of 6 Kings 3 of 10 Shots on Goal- Canucks 8 6 16 - 30 Kings 10 21 10 - 41 Vanocuver Canucks--Whitmore (18-8-4) (41 shots - 35 saves) Los Angeles Kings--Stauber (23 shots - 17 saves) Hrudey (17-21-6) (11:27 third) (6 shots - 5 saves) ATT-16,005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \|||||/ -SPIKE- " 7790,16,"From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 9 aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber) writes: >>Ever notice that people in these cases are always described by clever >>handles such as ""eccentric"", ""religious wackos"", ""gun nuts"", ""cultists"", >>""survivalists"", etc. so the general public will *not* identify with them? The San Jose Mercury News described him as ""a 61-year old retired chemical engineer"". John Nagle " 7791,9,"From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch) Subject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 8 I had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being interested in Mark Davis, so it doesn't surprise me that a team had to give up something and cash to actually get him. Lynch ""MOB"" ps. anyone else draft this guy? i really did and got a loud cry of ""when will you ever give up on this guy"" :-) " 7792,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 19 mathew writes: > bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes: > > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians > > buy Apple II's because of security concerns. > That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems > because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things! Funny, we had plenty of them in Bulgaria, regardless of the embargo... :-) So much for export controls... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 7793,6,"From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng) Subject: Re: << AMIGA 3000, etc FOR SALE >> as of 4/2/93 In-Reply-To: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 2 Apr 93 20:09:59 GMT Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA Lines: 26 In article <1pi6in$isg@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) writes: ~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 5PM 4/02/93~~~~~~~~~~ 1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys broken) ASKING PRICE: $1700 OBO. Mind my asking why you're selling a used machine with a damaged keyboard for the about the same price as a brand new A4000/030 (A4000-EC030/4 megs/120meg IDE HD/HD Floppy/v3.0 OS - $1899)? I'd like to get an A3000 locally for something reasonable like less than 1K without monitor. Brand new the A3000-25mhz/50 meg HD/HD floppy/2.1 ROM isn't running for more than $1400 or so. Considering it's damaged, probabably has a real old version of the OS I'll offer $700. Don't laugh...my A2000 isn't worth more than $250-$300 these days. N. Tzeng -- Nigel Tzeng .sig under construction " 7794,10,"From: dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Organization: cam.eng Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: club.eng.cam.ac.uk smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > Team Biggest Biggest >Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik >Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce ^^^^^^^^ weren't these two traded for each other? Poetic justice. " 7795,2,"From: pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock) Subject: Page numbering problem with WFW & Canon BJ10e Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 11 I am using WFW 2.0c with a Canon BJ10e. The printer driver is that which comes with Windows 3.1. Unfortatunately, I am having a problem with printing page numbers on the bottom of the page. I can print page number on the top of the page, but not on the bottom. Has anybody had a similar problem and/or does anybody have a solution for such a problem. Thanks pwoodcoc@business.uwo.ca pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock) Western Business School -- London, Ontario " 7796,5,"From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Nntp-Posting-Host: adam.fwi.uva.nl Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam Lines: 29 epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes: >dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes: >[Description of compiling problems deleted.] >>gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o bmtoa bmtoa.o -O2 -funroll-loops -L../.././lib/Xmu >>-lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -L../.././extensions/lib -L../.././lib/X -L/afs/cfa/syste >>m/sun4c_413/usr/head/lib/X11/X11R5 >>ld: Undefined symbol >> _XGetVisualInfo >> _XFree >> _XInternAtom >[etc.] >There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although >there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force >libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works >around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of >the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads: > XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu >to: > XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS. It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems. Casper " 7797,18,"From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) Subject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts? Reply-To: cj@sgi.com Organization: SGI Developer Docudramas Lines: 27 In article , parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu writes: | I like the way people call it ""cruel and unusual punishment"", as if | imprisonment isn't cruel, too. Lethal injection pales in comparison. | And, they have a death sentence because they were convicted of a cruel | and unusual *crime*. It's not what they did that matters. It's what *you* do and what *I* do and what *we* do in response that matters. Do we lessen ourselves by killing in response to killing? It's vengeance. That's all. It's no deterrent. It serves no purpose but to slake somebody's blood lust. | It would be nice, though, if we never convicted someone of a crime they | didn't commit, and it would make the death penalty much more justifiable. Yeah yeah yeah... and sure would be nice if we didn't apply the death penalty disproportionately to minorities. I'll revisit my opinion on the death penalty when there are more whites up for it than blacks. I.e., when hell freezes over. --- C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us ""The people causing the trouble were socialists and homosexuals, the typical sort of person who opposes us."" --Don Treshman, ex-Klansman, leader of the ""pro-life"" group Rescue America, on BBC TV, 2 April 1993. " 7798,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah! Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 32 Hossien Amehdi writes: >In article <1993Apr15.160224.15940@unocal.com> stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: >>>Now, about tough talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen >>>to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? >I guess, I didn't make my point clear. In the case of Israel government, it >is not only tough talk for its intimidation policy. After all, not many >people are intimidated just by talking. Here how it goes: tough talks, >followed by aggressive actions followed by taking pride of those actions and >bragging about them. > Agressive actions are taken by both sides. Tough talk is done by both sides. When an arab leader is menacing to throw all jews in the water is also tough talk, I think. And killing people is mildly agressive (justified, in your opinion if they are israeli soldiers, justified, in others' opinion if they are jews, not justified at all in others opinion). When Brad wrote the article about 3 Israelis killed, ther was a lot of pride and satisfaction in his lines. That's what I feel disgusting. We may agree or not when a killing is 'technically' murder, but being enthousiastic about it? And again, I may appreciate some of your points, but you are not objective. That is not a blame, just a remark. Dorin " 7799,7,"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) Subject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions) Keywords: Monthly Posting Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 18 >Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving >violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a >rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long >as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally >or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does. >The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent. >I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would >stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist >way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety. >- BK What do photo radar units look like? Also, what major U.S. cities use it? >Jon Dunn< " 7800,4,"From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) Subject: SE/30 acc & graphics card? Nntp-Posting-Host: bonnie.ics.uci.edu Reply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen) Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept. Lines: 9 Are there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040 accelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for the _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30. Thanks Matt Madsen mmadsen@ics.uci.edu " 7801,13,"Subject: Origin of Morphine From: chinsz@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Hinsz) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 20 I am sorry to once again bother those of you on this newsgroup. If you have any suggestions as to where I might find out about the subject of this letter (the origin of Morphine, ie. who first isolsted it, and why he/she attempted such an experiment). Once agian any suggestion would be appreciated. CSH p.s. My instructer insists that I get 4 rescources from this newsgroup, so please send me and info you think may be helpful. Facts that you know, but don't know what book they're from are ok. ATTENTION: If you do NOT like seeing letters such as this one on your newsgroup direct all complaints to my instructor at -- ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" Sir George Head, OBE (JC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LOGIC: ""The point is frozen, the beast is dead, what is the difference?"" Gavin Millarrrrrrrrrr (JC) " 7802,2,"From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) Subject: DOS Quick C 2.5 crashes Windows 3.1? Reply-To: b-banko@uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 I am using DOS Quick C 2.5 in a DOS window under Windows 3.1, and the other day while I was running the compiler, I got a general protection fault immediately followed by a ""serious disk error"". When I rebooted, I found that about 15 files had gotten ""cross-linked"" which is a pretty serious corruption of the hard drive file system. I am concerned that Quick C in a DOS window has somehow strayed outside its protected mode world and corrupted the smartdrv.exe disk cache and that is what caused the disk problem. I thought that DOS programs run in DOS windows were pretty well-contained by Windows. If that is true, then maybe the Quick C compiler has nothing to do with it. Has anybody else had this type of problem? (I only recently ""upgraded"" from Quick C 2.0 to 2.5.) Brad Banko -- Brad Banko; Dept of Physics; U of Illinois; b-banko@uiuc.edu ========================================================================= See one. Do one. Teach one. 73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il " 7803,5,"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 36 Bryan Boreham (bryan@alex.com) wrote: : In article <735259869.13021@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: : > The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". : > The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of : > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the : > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), : > it is *much* slower. : : The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its : positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because : it thinks the window is already in the right place. : : Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to : me; all information greatly received. Thanks for this clue, and thanks to Derek Ho also for a pointer in the same direction. One solution, due to Derek Ho: when the popup is popped up, we SetValue its location -- which on repeat popups will be unchanged from the previous popup. The slow response can be avoided by calling GetValue first, and only using SetValue if the required location is different. The problem can also be avoided by making a tiny alteration in the location of the popup, so that the SetValue really does change the location of the popup. (We tried this just for a double check on the source of the problem.) The solutions we have tried successfully are now as follows: 1) Use ""twm"" or ""mwm"" rather than ""olwm"" 2) Use ""olwm"", with resource ""*wmTimeout: 10"" 3) Only reset the location of the popup window if it is truely changed. This is obviously working around some bug somewhere. Thanks -- Chris Ho-Stuart " 7804,12,"From: cmh@eng.cam.ac.uk (C.M. Hicks) Subject: Re: How do DI boxes work? Organization: cam.eng Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: tw100.eng.cam.ac.uk lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes: >I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct >Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a >line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run >to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going This is indeed one function, but more sophisticated ones do level control and ground-lift (separating the keyboard and mixer earths) aswell. >to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to >another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have Simple ones are just that - a transformer. A decent quality audio trans- former will cost most of that $50. They are wired thus... HOT --------------| |----------------- HOT )||( Input from )||( Balanced out to mixer Keyboard )||( | |----------------- COLD | GND --------------|-------------------- GND The ground-lift switch disconnects the GND line from the mixer. The transformer ratio depends on the precise application, but around 10:1 turns ratio may be a good place to start. Christopher -- ============================================================================== Christopher Hicks | Paradise is a Linear Gaussian World cmh@uk.ac.cam.eng | (also reported to taste hot and sweaty) ============================================================================== " 7805,7,"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 14 In article <20726.2bcd8b62@ecs.umass.edu> sylveste@ecs.umass.edu writes: >Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v. >This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon. Very rare also. > > Mike Sylvester Umass > Yes, I saw a 200 Turbo Quattro wagon on I-287 in NJ on Monday. I thought Audi stopped selling wagons in the US after the 5000. This is exactly the type of vehicle I would like to own. I bet its price is 4-5 times my car budget. -- Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA " 7806,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr14.224726.15612@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Jake Livni writes >> Sam Zbib writes [all deleted...] Sam Zbib's posting is so confused and nonsensical as not to warrant a reasoned response. We're getting used to this, too. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 7807,8,"From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso) Subject: need help getting saddle bags!! Nntp-Posting-Host: jh224-695078.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 15 hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just bought a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them) are there bags for the gas tank? how much would some cost, and how much do they hold? thanks for your advice!!! I may be new to riding, but I love it already!!!! :) ----- jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (DoD #55,555) " 7808,6,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Noel B. Lorenzana Subject: Marvel comics for sale! (mostly cover price) Lines: 43 Comics for sale. All are Marvel and the majority of the comics are cover price. Buyer pays shipping. Shipping costs will vary with the quantity you buy. All reasonable offers will be considered. Punisher W.J. 9,10,13,14,15,16,17, 20-28,31-40,43 $1.75 each Punisher 34,42,43,49,51-54, $1.50 each (regular series) 56-62 X-factor #1 $4.00 2-4 3.00 37,48,41,45,50, 1.75 63 4.00 65,66 3.00 69-75 1.50 Annual #7 2.25 Silver Surfer 4,22,23,29,30,41, 50(1st, 3rd print) 51-62 $1.50 each X-force 1-6 $1.50 7-17 1.25 Ghost Rider #5 $8.00 7 4.00 8,11 3.00 13-34 $2.00 each New Mutants 2,7,9,14,15-19,26,48, 50,58,63,87(2nd),100 $2.00 each Marvel Comics 89,91,92,95,96, Presents 99,100 $1.50 each Here you have it. Please send replies to U38134@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Noel Lorenzana) Thanks. " 7809,8,"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) Subject: Re: CAMPING was Help with backpack Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr14.193739.13359@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.152706.27518@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra writes: >|My crafty girfriend makes campfire/bbq starters a la McGiver: >Well, heck, if you're going to make them yourself, you can buy >candle-wax by the pound--much cheper than the candles themselves. Hell, just save your candle stubs and bring them. Light them up, and dribble the wax all over the kindling wood and light _that_. Although I like the belly-button lint / eggshell case idea the best, if you're feeling particularly industrious some eventful evening. Or you can do what I did one soggy summer: open the fuel line, drain some onto a piece of rough or rotten wood, stick that into the middle of the soon-to- be inferno and CAREFULLY strike a match... As Kurt Vonnegut titled one of the latter chapters in Cat's Cradle, ""Ah-Whoom!"" Works like a charm every time :-) /-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\ | | | DoD# 88888 asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu | | '90 Kawi Zephyr (Erik Asphaug) | | '86 BMW R80GS | \-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/ " 7810,7,"From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: D.J. Services Lines: 21 In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >In article chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: > >>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe. > > Wagon has an automatic, it's slower. > Could be due to the rear-end ratio also. Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from my limited experience anyways. David > > -- David W. Hwang, M.D. // University of Michigan Medical School 1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C // Telephone: 313/663-5557 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105 // Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us " 7811,12,"From: heuvel@neptune.iex.com (Ted Van Den Heuvel) Subject: Motorola MC143150 and MC143120 Originator: heuvel@neptune.iex.com Organization: iex Lines: 6 Does anyone out there know of any products using Motorola's Neuron(r) chips MC143150 or MC143120. If so, what are they and are they utilizing Standard Network Variable Types (SNVT)? _________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Van Den Heuvel heuvel@neptune.iex.com KX5P " 7812,4,"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800 Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.215836.27428 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 14 In article ennui@trauma.com (N is for Neville who died of ennui) writes: >Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800 >using interanl video? Is this even possible? I suspect that it isn't although >I'd certainly like to know for sure. Of course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is a correctly wired video cable. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu " 7813,17,"From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) Subject: Danny Rubenstein Talk Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 9 Danny Rubenstein, an Israeli journalist, will be speaking tonight (Wednesday, 7:30 pm) on the messy subject of politics in Israel. He is speaking at Hillel on the U.C. Berkeley campus. The talk is sponsored by the Berkeley Israel Action Committee (IAC). -Adam Schwartz adams@robotics.berkeley.edu " 7814,1,"From: bbs.mirage@tsoft.net (Jerry Lee) Subject: Cobra 2.0 1-b-1 Video card HELP ME!!!! Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 22 Does ANYONE out there in Net-land have any information on the Cobra 2.20 card? The sticker on the end of the card reads Model: Cobra 1-B-1 Bios: Cobra v2.20 I Havn't been able to find anything about it from anyone! If you have any information on how to get a hold of the company which produces the card or know where any drivers are for it, PLEASE let me know! As far as I can tell, it's a CGA card that is taking up 2 of my 16-bit ISA slots but when I enable the test patterns, it displays much more than the usualy 4 CGA colors... At least 16 from what I can count.. Thanks! .------------------------------------------. : Internet: jele@eis.calstate.edu : : bbs.mirage@gilligan.tsoft.net : : bbs.mirage@tsoft.sf-bay.org : : mirage@thetech.com : : UUCP : apple.com!tsoft!bbs.mirage : `------------------------------------------' Computer and Video Imaging Major " 7815,2,Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services From: Mark Woodruff Subject: Bigger window headings Lines: 8 Does anyone know of bigger raster fonts? I'm using a Mag 15H monitor with a Diamond SS24X in 1280x1024 mode and would prefer to have larger characters for the windows heading (practically for everything). I'm already using the 8514 character sets. mark Any idea of the difference between the 15H and the 15F? 7816,7,"From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: A.S.I. n Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine. The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to the local oil recycle center. FORZA! " 7817,3,"From: lyourk@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Loran N. Yourk) Subject: Wanted ISA mouse port with high interrupt Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 13 With a sound card on interrupt 5, two serial ports (one for modem on i4, one for Miracle Piano on i3) and a printer port on i7, I have run out of low interrupts. What I would like is a mouse port with an interrupt of 10, 11, or 12 (which ever interrupt the PS/2 mouse port uses) in in ISA i486 computer. I called technical support of Microsoft, Logitech, & ATI (checked what interrupts the mouse port on the ATI video cards can use) and they all said the only interrupts possible on these cards was ones lower than 7. Does anyone know of any board for an ISA bus which will allow a mouse port (or even a serial port) with high interrupts? Loran Yourk (708)979-9378 AT&T lyourk@ihlpm.att.com " 7818,6,"From: mallen@wyvern.wyvern.com (Marc L. Allen) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, (Cyrix, AMD 486s not Intel clones) Organization: wyvern.com Distribution: na Lines: 10 >Beware, From what I understand neither the AMD or Cyrix 486s are clones of >the Intel 486. They are using the ""name"" 486 because they run as fast as a >Intel 486. They do not have exactly the same instuction set nor do they fit >into the same socket. Most are very fast 386s without coprocessors. AMD recent won the appeal against Intel to use their Microcode, so they should be putting out real 486 chips in the near future. Marc mallen@wyvern.wyvern.com " 7819,1,"From: haston@utkvx.utk.edu (Haston, Donald Wayne) Subject: Hijaak News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: Hijaak Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 14 I have heard some impressive things about Hijakk (for Windows). Currently, I use a shareware program called Graphics Workshop. What kinds of things will Hijaak do that these shareware programs will not do? What has been your experience with Hijaak? Are there other programs that are better? Please email me, if you can help: Wayne Haston HASTON@UTKVX.UTK.EDU Thanks! " 7820,3,"From: ivan@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Catalin Ivan) Subject: IDE/ESDI coexistence Summary: How to make IDE and ESDI controllers live together??? Keywords: HD, controller, IDE, ESDI, disks Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 57 Hello all, You, the Net, are my last resort, or I'll just change my job :-) This might be a FAQ (e.g. mixing controllers) but haven't seen any. Sys: 486/33, AMI BIOS, and your run-of-the mill multi-I/O card with serials/paral/floppies and - IDE controller ""clone"" Gw2760-EX there are no jumpers affecting the HD or ctrller :-( - Quantum ProDrive LPS (3"" 105M type 47: 755cyl, 16hds, 17spt). Pb: I want to bring in this (2nd hand, neat price): - Maxtor XT-B380E (~330M, <15ms, BIOS type 1, ctrller manages the real geom: 1630cyl, 8hds, 52spt) - Western Digital WD1007V-SE1 ESDI ctrller: no floppies. (jumpers set IRQ 14/15, hw port addr 1F0/170, and BIOS addr CC00/C800, and other floppy/format stuff) Goal: have the WD ESDI as a secondary/controller and have both disks simultaneously working. Being able to boot from the ESDI too would be a nice bonus but is not expected. Ultimate goal: have room for Linux et al. Ex of scheme I have in mind: boot from IDE (HD or floppy) and mount the ESDI as root. Not booting from ESDI, or even from HD, is acceptable. I have tried numerous (all!!) combinations to no avail. They work alone, or can coexist witout hang-ups but can't access the ESDI or the IDE, depending on setup/jumpers. Useful suggestions might be: - How do I tell the BIOS setup about two ctrllers (I guess the 2nd HD is expected to hang off the same ctrller as the 1st). - Do I need some driver to make it work? - --- "" --- some new BIOS/chip for any of these cards? - do I have to buy another controller to make them HDs happy? IDE is cheaper; ESDI is hard to find and rather costly. I'm not rich or I wouldnt' try to scavenge around, so soft slns are preferred. - adapters of some sort; I can hold a soldering iron, and can change a chip or put a jumper! Also useful: - BBS or Hot-line of Western Digital. - ftp archives with relevant info. - expert stores in Toronto, Ontario area (that would be a miracle! haven't seen any really knowledgeable ppl in a while) - any hints into inner workings of the system ... - anything else that helped you in similar situations (prayers :-) ) Direct or posted replies are ok. Many thanks, Cat. -- ////// /// // / / / / / / / / / / / Catalin Ivan - email: ivan@Iro.UMontreal.CA - tel:(416) 324.8704 Human-Computer INTERACTION Humain-Machine Universite de Montreal - Informatique et Recherche Operationelle " 7821,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: > I don't get up in arms when > the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in > my lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will. Just to make sure everyone is clear on this: ""it never has"" refers to ""protects"", not ""fails to protect""; i.e., in my lifetime I have never seen the U.S. government consistently protect the interest of U.S. citizens, except by accident. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 7822,1,"From: brentb@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc. Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes: >rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: > >> Can you please offer some recommendations? > >It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain >everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and >hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht >he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source. I think he wanted to avoid reinventing the wheel. I would suggest that you take your code, and submit it to comp.sys.mac.binaries to be distributed (including to the ftp sites). Many folks, myself included, would enjoy the extra code. > Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal >can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can >find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent >choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be >fast. Just to clarify, the 3D routines that are mentioned in various places on the mac are in a libray, not the ROM of the mac. A few years ago before I knew anything about implementing graphics, I came across a demo of the Apple GrafSys3D library and it actually did a lot. However, it is quite limited in the sense that it's a low-level 3D library; your code still has to plot individual points, draw each line, etc ad nauseum. It has nothing on GL, for example, where you can handle objects. Other things to consider when talking about Apple's old 3D GrafSys library: * Unsupported; never was and no plans exist to do so in the future * Undocumented; unless you call header files documentation... If one knows something about graphics, you could probably figure it out, but I'd assume there's better software available that gives better output and is, at the same time, programmatically nicer (i.e. easier to program). Just my 2% tax -Brent " 7823,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 55 JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: JB> JB> Ron Roth recommends: ""Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the JB> proper channels, you might consider the following:..."" JB> [diet omitted] JB> JB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be ""proper channels""...this sounds suspiciously I'm glad it caught your eye. That's the purpose of this forum to educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing. JB> like a blood chemistry...glucose tolerance and the like...suddenly chemistry JB> exists? You know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble JB> and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose...no JB> ""CONFIRM"" any aberrant physiology...but then again...maybe that's what you mean"" Muscle testing and hair analysis, eh? So what other fascinating space-age medical techniques do you use? Do you sit under a pyramid over night as well to shrink your brain back to normal after a mind- expanding day at your 'Save the Earth' clinic? JB> 2) Were you able to understand Dick King's post that ""90% of diseases is not thy JB> evaluate the statistic you cited from the New England Journal of Medicine. Coul? Once I figure out what *you* are trying to say, I'll still have to wrestle with the possibility of you conceivably not being able to understand my answer to your question?! JB> 3) Ron...have you ever thought about why you never post in misc.health.alterna- JB> tive...and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained, non-medical, often JB> delusional notions of health and disease into this forum? I suspect from your JB> apparent anger toward MDs and heteropathic medicine that there may be an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You little psychoanalytical rascal you! Got me all figured out, ja? JB> underlying 'father problem'...of course I can CONFIRM this by surrogate muscle JB> testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their JB> previously weak 'indicator' muscles strengthens...or do you have reservations JB> about my unique methods of diagnosis? [......] JB> JB> John Badanes, DC, CA JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Oh man, when are you going to start teaching all this stuff? I'll bet everyone on this net must be absolutely dying to learn more about going beyond spinal adjustments and head straight for the mind for some Freudian subluxation. --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: In the next world, you're on your own. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 7824,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: need shading program example in X Organization: The Internet Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu # # I think the original post was searching for existing implementations of # f.i. Gouroud-shading of triangles. This is fairly complex to do with plain # X. Simpler shading models are implemented already, f.i. in x3d (ask archie # where to get the latest version). # For Gouroud, a fast implementation will be possible utilizing some extension # only, either MIT-SHM to do the shade in an image and fast update the window # with it, or PEX/OpenGL which should be able to shade themselves. The portable # 'vanilla X' way would be to shade in a normal XImage and use XPutImage(), # what would be good enough to do static things as f.i. fractal landscapes # or such stuff. # # To speak about POVRay, the X previewer that comes with the original source # package is not that good, especially in speed, protocol-friendlyness and # ICCCM compliance. Have a look on x256q, my own preview code. It is on # # 141.76.1.11:pub/gfx/ray/misc/x256q/ # # The README states the points where it is better than xwindow.c from # POVRay 1.0 # The version I have is using the x256q code instead of the default X Windows code. I have it currently running on a DEC Alpha running OpenVMS AXP and so far have been pretty impressed. The only ""side-effect"" of x256q is that it requires xstdcmap -best be run before it will work, annoyning but not a show stopper. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 7825,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."" Matthew 12:50 " 7826,5,"From: m91nen@tdb.uu.se (Nils Engstrom) Subject: Help: Event propagation Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University Lines: 19 The following problem is really bugging me, and I would appreciate any help. I create two windows: w1 (child to root) with event_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask; w2 (child to w1) with do_not_propagate_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask; Keypress events in w2 are discarded, but ButtonPress events fall through to w1, with subwindow set to w2. FYI, I'm using xnews/olvwm. Am I doing something fundamentally wrong here? n " 7827,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: How to get there? (was Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr15.051309.22252@stortek.com>, pg@sanitas.stortek.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: > Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote: > : While you're at it, comet experts, explain how a comet gets into > : Jovian orbit to begin with! > > : There are non-gravitational forces from heating and outgassing when a > : comet gets into the inner solar system. [...] > > Don't forget the Galilean satellites of Jupiter. My poor old physics intuition will be very surprised if these tiny masses, sitting very close to Jupiter, play any role whatsoever in the problem. Or, to put it more technically, the extra ""volume"" they add to the phase space of possible capture trajectories is negligible. Jupiter is 2E27 kg, while the Galilean satellites are around 1E23. Also, as I said, the few references that I've looked at do not mention outgassing or breakup as important processes. The important thing is a Jupiter-Sun-comet ""reverse slingshot"" that leads to a weakly Jupiter-bound orbit for the comet (at least a temporary one). Bill Higgins | Late at night she still doth haunt me Fermilab | Dressed in garments soaked in brine Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | Though in life I used to hug her Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Now she's dead, I draw the line! SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | --after the tragedy, ""Clementine"" " 7828,3,"From: rngai@oracle.com (Raymond Ngai) Subject: Perstor System Disk Controller information needed Nntp-Posting-Host: hqseq.us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA Distribution: comp X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 36 Does anybody out there have or used to have an HD controller from Perstor System Inc. (which is out of business I believe)? My friend received an old PC which happens to have such a controller and I am having a hard time trying to add another HD to the card. I believe the controller is supposed to control MFM drives as RLL drives?? Here the model info on the card, but any other similar model will probably do. Perstor System Inc. Model: PS 180-16FN Rev: 2.2 ECN 9-21 I would appreciate your reply directly to my e-mail address below. Thanks, Ray (rngai@oracle.com) -- ( Raymond Ngai ) ( Application System Analyst 300 Oracle Parkway, #670A ) ( Vertical Applications Division Redwood Shores, CA 94065 ) ( Oracle Corporation (415)506-3385 FAX:506-7262 ) " 7829,1,"From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes: >1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture. >5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding >color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is >see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all, >There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in >a 24 bit card. If >you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow >or something and turn >up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding. While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here, he's using a common misconception that should be corrected. Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities. The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on the brighter side and darker on the darker side. --Andre -- Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2) " 7830,7,"From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Article-I.D.: gap.1qnb5rINN281 Distribution: usa Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com> >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >> ... >> Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for >> R12. You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning >Society >> (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per >> retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash >those >> R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very >shaky >> technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst). >> ... >Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes >exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies >keep us all from getting. These substitutes exist, and at this time are available. Its the future availability that is in doubt. 1) GHG-12 Get it from People's Welding Supply 800-382-9006 2) butane/propane You can mix this yourself so no one can ever regulate it away. Just make sure you use good quality (dry) gases. I don't know of any 200mpg carb distributors :-) -- Jon Hacker | Get the OS/2 2.1 March Beta CD-ROM Caltech, Pasadena CA | for $20 --- Call 1-800-3-IBM-OS2 hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu | Read about it in comp.os.os2.beta " 7831,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 53 In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > Clayton Cramer: >> But what came out, in much lower profile reporting, was that the >> ""victim"" was a prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the >> false accusation. > There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the > defense merely alledged that she was. The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court apparently found this compelling. > Even Clayton knows the difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn't know > the difference. Clayton does indeed know the difference. Greg apparently doesn't. >> the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines >> were engaged in self-defense. > No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder > on proof. Because the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead? > A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines: > New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in > the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving > the Marines acted to cause injury. Because, in part [REPEAT AFTER ME], ""the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines were engaged in self-defense"". Hopefully, one of these days you will understand. > Interesting that in 2 of the 3 cases Clayton does what he accuses > others of doing. With respect to credibility, I would rate Clayton Cramer an order of magnitude higher than a) the news media, and b) homosexuals. > But I never thought Clayton was consistent. Clayton is indeed consistent. And so are you. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 7832,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Backcountry Confidence Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 26 In article rbw3q@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Brad Whitehurst) writes: > The rest of us fall in the middle. There IS too much violent >crime in the U.S., but turning the whole country into an old-time >Dodge City (ref. to American Old West) is not the way. That's an interesting statement. There's quite a difference between Hollywood's ""Old West"" and the real one. Yes, there were drunks, saloons, mining camps, and thugs. However, as McGrath showed, the thugs preyed almost exclusively on one another. McGrath claims that this was due to the fact that no one much cared if someone who insisted on getting into a fight got his way, even if he lost, while they really did care when thugs preyed on others. >citizens should be able to own weapons, but we see no sense in some >types. We haven't figured out that those distinctions don't actually work. Machine guns have been strictly regulated since 1934. Said regulation is both perfect (legally owned machine guns aren't ever used criminally) and a complete waste of time (the criminal use of machine guns hasn't change at all). The result - we're now arguing about guns that LOOK like machine guns, but are no different than other guns. -andy -- " 7833,10,"From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) Subject: rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions Organization: University of Washington Lines: 1768 Expires: Mon, 03 May 93 00:00:01 EDT Reply-To: hamlet@u.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Archive-name: hockey-faq rec.sport.hockey answers to Frequently Asked Questions and other news: Contents: 0. New Info. 1. NHL 2. NHL Minor Leagues 3. College Hockey (North America) 4. Other leagues (e.g. Europe, Canada Cup tournament) 5. E-mail files 6. USENET Hockey Pool 7. Up-coming Dates 8. Answers to some frequently asked questions 9. Miscellaneous Send comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding this FAQ list via e- mail to hamlet@u.washington.edu. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0. New Info. This section will describe additions since the last post so that you can decide if there is anything worth reading. Paragraphs containing new information will be preceded by two asterisks (**). 1.: New Anaheim contact, Winnipeg to keep affiliate in Moncton. 2.: New Milwaukee contact, IHL broadcaster of the year named, Rheaume to start against Cyclones, San Diego sets record. 3.: Ticket info included for 1994 NCAA Division I Championships. 4.: World Championship Pool B results listed, Sweden Hockey Games final standings listed, Swedish Elite League final standings listed, new Olypmic Hockey mailing list. 5.: New Montreal mailing list address. 6.: 7.: 8.: 9.: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. NHL - National Hockey League For detailed information concerning a team (particularly where to get tickets and merchandise, where to watch games in town....), send e-mail to the net contact(s) for the team. First # of Last Team Div Season Cups Cup Net Contacts --------------------- --- ------ ---- ------ ---------------------- ** Anaheim Mighty Ducks - 93-94 - - Kris Myers kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu Boston Bruins A 24-25 5 71-72 Buffalo Sabres A 70-71 0 - Jeff Horvath jhorvath@macc.wisc.edu Calgary Flames S 80-81* 1 88-89 CALDWELL8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Chicago Blackhawks N 26-27 3 60-61 John Scholvin scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Detroit Red Wings N 33-34* 7 54-55 SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com Edmonton Oilers S 79-80* 5 89-90 Andrew Scott andrew@idacom.hp.com Hartford Whalers A 79-80* 0 - Matthew Olsen dmolsen@athena.mit.edu Los Angeles Kings S 67-68 0 - Stan Willis willis@empire.dnet.hac.com Minnesota North Stars N 67-68* 0 - Mitch McGowan hamlet@u.washington.edu Montreal Canadiens A 17-18 22 85-86 New Jersey Devils P 82-83* 0 - New York Islanders P 72-73 4 82-83 Mark Anania ananim@rpi.edu New York Rangers P 26-27 3 39-40 Paul Romano romano@monolith.bellcore.com Ottawa Senators A 92-93 0 - Scott Simpson simpson@bnr.ca Philadelphia Flyers P 67-68 2 74-75 Pete Clark seth@hos1cad.att.com Pittsburgh Penguins P 67-68 2 91-92 Lori Iannamico lli+@cs.cmu.edu Thomas Sullivan tms@cs.cmu.edu Quebec Nordiques A 79-80* 0 - St. Louis Blues N 67-68 0 - Joseph Achkar jca2@cec1.wustl.edu San Jose Sharks S 91-92 0 - Nelson Lu claudius@leland.stanford.edu ** South Florida - 93-94 - - Tampa Bay Lightning N 92-93 0 - Tom Wilson wilson@eola.cs.ucf.edu Toronto Maple Leafs N 26-27* 11 66-67 Darryl Gamble darryl@cs.yorku.ca Vancouver Canucks S 70-71 0 - Alan Chim chim@sfu.ca Washington Capitals P 74-75 0 - David Lu david@eng.umd.edu Winnipeg Jets S 79-80* 0 - umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca A=Adams N=Norris P=Patrick S=Smythe *Calgary: formerly Atlanta Flames (72/73-79/80) Detroit: formerly Detroit Cougars (26/27-29/30) -> Detroit Falcons (30/31-32/33) Edmonton: formerly Alberta Oilers (WHA) (72/73) -> Edmonton Oilers (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Hartford: formerly New England Whalers (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Minnesota: Cleveland Barons were merged with Minnesota for the 1978/79 season. New Jersey: formerly Kansas City Scouts (74/75-75/76) -> Colorado Rockies (76/77-81/82) Quebec: formerly Quebec Nordiques (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Toronto: formerly Toronto Arenas (17/18-18/19) -> Toronto St. Patricks (19/20-25/26) Winnipeg: formerly Winnipeg Jets (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Teams with mailing lists, see section 5 for addresses: Boston, Buffalo, Los Angeles, Montreal, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Washington. ----- - Schedule 1992-1993 Schedule for the NHL April Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ ! ! ! ! ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 ! ! ! ! ! !Min @ Cal!Mon @ Was!Buf @ Bos! ! ! ! ! !Det @ Chi!NYI @ NYR!Cal @ SJ ! ! ! ! ! !Har @ Pit! !Chi @ StL! ! ! ! ! !Que @ Ott! !Van @ Det! ! ! ! ! !Tor @ Phi! !Win @ Edm! ! ! ! ! !Win @ SJ ! !Ott @ Har! ! ! ! ! !Van @ TB ! !Min @ LA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Mon @ NYI! ! ! ! ! ! ! !NJ @ Tor! ! ! ! ! ! ! !TB @ Phi! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Pit @ Que! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ ! 4 ! 5 ! 6 ! 7 ! 8 ! 9 !10 ! !Bos @ Buf!Har @ NYR!Bos @ Que!Edm @ Van!Que @ Bos!Van @ Cal!Bos @ Mon! !Cal @ SJ ! !Buf @ Min!Har @ Ott!Chi @ NYI!Pit @ NYR!Buf @ Det! !StL @ Chi! !Cal @ LA !Mon @ Pit!Det @ TB ! !Chi @ TB ! !Pit @ NJ ! !Edm @ SJ !NYR @ NJ !SJ @ LA ! !Har @ Que! !NYR @ Was! !NYI @ Was! !Was @ Phi! !LA @ SJ ! !Van @ Ott! !Phi @ Win! !Tor @ Win! !StL @ Min! ! ! !StL @ TB ! ! ! !NJ @ Was! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Ott @ NYI! ! ! ! ! ! ! !NYR @ Pit! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Phi @ Tor! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ !11 !12 !13 !14 !15 !16 !17 ! !Ott @ Bos!Was @ Mon!Mon @ Buf!Bos @ Ott!Phi @ Buf! ! ! !Que @ Buf!NYR @ Phi!Cal @ Edm!NYI @ Har!SJ @ Cal! ! ! !Cal @ Van! !Chi @ Min!Pit @ NJ !Tor @ Chi! ! ! !TB @ Chi! !LA @ Van!Was @ NYR!Min @ Det! ! ! !Win @ Edm! !Ott @ Que! !Edm @ Win! ! ! !Tor @ Har! !StL @ Tor! !Har @ NYI! ! ! !Min @ StL! !TB @ Win! !Van @ LA ! ! ! !NYI @ NJ ! ! ! !NJ @ Pit! ! ! ! ! ! ! !TB @ StL! ! ! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The season will begin on 10/6 and end on 4/15. Playoffs will begin on 4/18 and end on or before 6/14. 24 NHL regular season games will be played in non-NHL cities during 92-93 season. Cities: Milwaukee (2), Sacramento (2), Cleveland (2), Indianapolis, Phoenix, Miami, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Providence, Peoria, Hamilton (4), Saskatoon (4), Halifax. Here is a chart showing the number of games between the teams (84 games each): N N N P P W B B H M O Q C D M S T T C E L S V W J Y Y h i a o u a o t u h e i t B o a d A J a i I R i t s s f r n t e i t n L r l m n n = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = NJ : - 7 7 7 9 7 4 4 4 3 4 4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 NYI: 7 - 7 9 7 7 4 3 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 NYR: 7 7 - 7 7 9 3 4 3 4 3 4 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 Phi: 7 9 7 - 7 7 4 3 3 4 3 4 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 Pit: 9 7 7 7 - 7 5 4 3 3 4 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 Was: 7 7 9 7 7 - 3 4 4 3 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Bos: 4 4 3 4 5 3 - 7 7 9 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Buf: 4 3 4 3 4 4 7 - 9 7 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 Har: 4 4 3 3 3 4 7 9 - 7 7 7 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 Mon: 3 4 4 4 3 3 9 7 7 - 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 Ott: 4 3 3 3 4 4 7 7 7 7 - 9 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 Que: 4 3 4 4 3 3 7 7 7 7 9 - 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 Chi: 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 - 9 7 7 7 7 3 4 5 3 4 3 Det: 2 2 2 3 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 9 - 7 7 7 7 4 3 4 4 3 3 Min: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 7 7 - 9 7 7 4 4 3 3 5 4 StL: 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 7 7 9 - 7 7 4 3 3 3 4 4 TB : 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 7 7 7 7 - 9 3 4 3 4 3 4 Tor: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 7 7 7 7 9 - 4 3 4 4 3 3 Cal: 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 4 3 4 - 7 7 9 7 7 Edm: 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 4 3 4 3 4 3 7 - 7 7 7 9 LA : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 5 4 3 3 3 4 7 7 - 7 9 7 SJ : 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 4 3 3 4 4 9 7 7 - 7 7 Van: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 4 3 5 4 3 3 7 7 9 7 - 7 Win: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 4 4 4 3 7 9 7 7 7 - Valerie Hammerl has posted this year's version of nhl.c, a schedule program for NHL games. For example, users can find out the games played on a certain date or find out the next ten games played by team x. A copy can be obtained by e-mailing Following is the neutral site schedule: Tue 10/13: Calgary vs. Minnesota @ Saskatoon Tue 10/20: Ottawa vs. Toronto @ Hamilton Tue 11/03: Chicago vs. Washington @ Indianapolis Tue 11/17: Toronto vs. Quebec @ Hamilton Wed 11/18: Buffalo vs. New Jersey @ Hamilton Tue 12/01: Los Angeles vs. Chicago @ Milwaukee Tue 12/08: Montreal vs. Los Angeles @ Phoenix Wed 12/09: Tampa Bay vs. New York Rangers @ Miami Sun 12/13: Edmonton vs. New York Islanders @ Oklahoma City Tue 12/15: New York Islanders vs. St. Louis @ Dallas Mon 01/04: San Jose vs. Montreal @ Sacramento Mon 01/18: Hartford vs. Winnipeg @ Saskatoon Mon 02/08: Boston vs. Pittsburgh @ Atlanta Mon 02/08: St. Louis vs. Hartford @ Peoria Tue 02/16: Philadelphia vs. Calgary @ Cincinnati Sat 02/20: Quebec vs. Tampa Bay @ Halifax Mon 02/22: New York Rangers vs. San Jose @ Sacramento Mon 02/22: Detroit vs. Philadelphia @ Cleveland Tue 02/23: Winnipeg vs. Ottawa @ Saskatoon Mon 03/01: Vancouver vs. Buffalo @ Hamilton Thu 03/11: Minnesota vs. Vancouver @ Saskatoon Tue 03/16: Washington vs. Detroit @ Milwaukee Tue 03/16: New Jersey vs. Boston @ Providence * Sun 03/21: Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton @ Cleveland * Location subject to change NHL Playoff Schedule: Wales Conference Division Semifinals: April 18, 20, 22, 24, 26*, 28*, 30* Campbell Conference Division Semifinals: April 19, 21, 23, 25, 27*, 29*, May 1* Wales Conference Division Finals: May 2, 4, 6, 8, 10*, 12*, 14* Campbell Conference Division Finals: May 3, 5, 7, 9, 11*, 13*, 15* Wales Conference Final: May 16, 18, 20, 22, 24*, 26*, 28* Campbell Conference Final: May 17, 19, 21, 23, 25*, 27*, 29* Stanley Cup Final: June 1, 3, 5, 7, 9*, 11*, 14* * - if neccessary ----- - News & Scores SPIKE (bryan.k.strouse) posts weekday news and box scores (Sunday through Thursday). John P. Curcio posts weekend news and box scores. Both maintain e-mail lists for faster delivery. Net contacts post team news as they see/hear/read it. ----- - Notable team news (transactions and announcements) Note that this information is culled from press releases and posts. It is updated each month and only information currently under discussion or of continuing importance or interest will be listed for more than two postings. Boston Bruins Boston legislators and the developers proposing a new Boston Garden finally agreed to a deal that puts the 19,000-seat, $160 million project back on track to be finished in September 1995. Right wing Daniel Marois will be sidelined indefinitely following surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. ** Sent defenseman Glen Murray to Providence of the American Hockey League. Buffalo Sabres 1-800-333-PUCK (1-800-333-7825) Acquired left winger Bob Errey from Pittsburgh for defenseman Mike Ramsey. ** Veteran Buffalo Sabres broadcaster Ted Darling will be inducted into the club's Hall of Fame Sunday, April 11. Darling, who joined the expansion Sabres in 1970, was the team's play-by-play announcer on both television and radio until illness forced him out of the booth during last season. ** Recalled forwards Viktor Gordiouk and Doug MacDonald from Rochester of American Hockey League. Calgary Flames Acquired veteran right wing Greg Paslawski from Philadelphia for future considerations. ** Recalled center Todd Harkins and left winger Tomas Forslund from Salt Lake City of International Hockey League. Chicago Blackhawks The $175 million, privately financed United Center, scheduled to open in August 1994, will be home to the NBA's Chicago Bulls and NHL's Chicago Blackhawks. The stadium is owned by entities controlled by the two teams. The owners apparently still have not made a decision on whether the old Chicago Stadium will be razed for parking space once the new facility, located directly across the street, opens. Suspended defenseman Craig Muni indefinitely for failing to report following a trade with Edmonton. Detroit Red Wings Acquired defenseman Steve Konroyd from Hartford for a sixth-round draft pick. Annnounced the signing of right wing Joe Frederick, their 13th pick in the 1989 National Hockey League entry draft. ** Two contrite hockey fans have returned the stolen Michigan Sports Hall of Fame plaque honoring Detroit Red Wing great Gordie Howe. The bronze plaque was stolen more than four years ago from Cobo Hall in Detroit, site of the Michigan Hall of Fame. Edmonton Oilers Sent forward Esa Tikkanen to the New York Rangers for center Doug Weight. Traded defenseman Craig Muni to Chicago for forward Mike Hudson. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said the Edmonton Oilers' lease with Northlands Coliseum must be improved if the team is to survive in the city. Edmonton Northlands is a non-profit agency set up by the city to administer exhibition facilities including the Coliseum. Oilers owner Peter Pocklington calls his lease with Northlands horrendous and has threatened to move the team if he doesn't get a better deal. He makes no money from parking, concessions or building advertising. The 17,313-seat Coliseum also has few of the lucrative private boxes that produce significant revenues for other owners. Announced center Kevin Todd will not need surgery but will miss the remainder of the season with a separated shoulder. Hartford Whalers Sent defenseman Steve Konroyd to Detroit for a sixth-round draft pick. Acquired left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick from Vancouver for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick. ** The state of Connecticut will begin negotiations to buy the Civic Center from the city in an effort to keep the financially struggling Hartford Whalers franchise in the city. Los Angeles Kings Sent center John McIntyre to the New York Rangers for defenseman Mark Hardy and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick. Minnesota North Stars 1-800-800-0435 if calling from the U.S. 1-800-800-0458 if calling from Canada The Dallas City Council has approved an agreement with the Minnesota North Stars that will bring the NHL club to Reunion Arena next season. Defenseman Mark Tinordi, captain of the North Stars, will be sidelined the rest of the season, including any postseason games the North Stars might play, because of a broken collarbone. Acquired defenseman Mark Osiecki from Winnipeg for ninth- and 10th-round draft picks in 1993. Added defenseman Travis Richards from the University of Minnesota. A former employee filed a sexual harassment suit against Minnesota North Star owner Norman Green. Karen (Kari) Dziedzic, Green's former executive assistant, claims Green often instructed her to wear cosmetics, described her outfits as ""very hot"" and ""very sexy,"" once slapped her hand as she was about to eat and humiliated her by grabbing her hand and rubbing it through a client's hair. The Minnesota North Stars, who will move to Dallas after this season, announced that nearly 11,000 season ticket reservations have been made for their new home at Reunion Arena, which has a capacity of 16,800. The Met Center commission has told the Minnesota North Stars that it wants the club out - with its keys returned - at midnight after the last home game. The club is moving to Dallas for next season. The club must pay unpaid interest of $4,492.80 on the team's late rent payment for 1992, which was made earlier this month, and has been instructed not to take property such as the scoreboard and Zamboni ice-surfacing machine. ** Derian Hatcher's game-misconduct penalty was rescinded by the NHL, allowing the Minnesota defenseman to play in the North Stars' last two regular-season games. Hatcher was given the penalty during a fight at the end of a loss at St. Louis on Sunday, April 11. But the league didn't rescind the game-misconduct penalty Shane Churla received. The Stars recalled center Cal McGowan from their top minor league club in Kalamazoo, Mich., to replace Churla. Montreal Canadiens Acquired defenseman Rob Ramage from Tampa Bay for minor league defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations. New Jersey Devils ** Bernie Nicholls publicly apologized for his criticism of referee Denis Morel after the Devils' 5-2 loss to the Buffalo Sabres. Nicholls was ejected by Morel for being the third man in on a fight late in the second period of that game and afterward Nicholls called Morel ""a homer"" and ""an embarrassment to the referee's association."" New York Islanders Traded right wing Daniel Marois to Boston for a conditional draft choice. New York Rangers Obtained forward Esa Tikkanen from Edmonton for center Doug Weight. Acquired left winger Mike Hartman from Tampa Bay Acquired center John McIntyre from Los Angeles for defenseman Mark Hardy and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick. Defenseman Brian Leetch will undergo additional surgery on the right ankle he broke in a non-skating fall and is not expected to play again this season. Leetch suffered the broken ankle March 19 following a victory over San Jose. The team said he slipped on an icy patch of pavement as he was getting out of a taxi cab in front of his apartment. ** Announced that defenseman James Patrick will require surgery on a herniated disc in his back and will not play again this season. ** Returned goaltender Corey Hirsch to Binghamton of the American Hockey League. Ottawa Senators The Ottawa Senators received the go-ahead to build the 18,500-seat Palladium on the proposed location in nearby Kanata, Ont. The projected cost is C$150 million. Construction will be postponed until the 1995-96 season, one year behind schedule. The Ottawa Senators lost their 37th consecutive NHL road game to tie the 1974-75 Washington Capitals for most road losses in a row. ** Assigned left wing Martin St. Amour to New Haven of the American Hockey League. Philadelphia Flyers The opening date of Spectrum II has been pushed back to fall 1995. Formal groundbreaking has been postponed indefinitely. Traded veteran right wing Greg Paslawski to the Calgary Flames for future considerations. Pittsburgh Penguins Traded left winger Bob Errey to Buffalo for defenseman Mike Ramsey. Reacquired defenseman Peter Taglianetti from Tampa Bay Lightning for a third-round 1993 draft choice. ** Revolutionary Comics of San Diego agreed to destroy all available copies of a Mario Lemieux comic book in a settlement with the Pittsburgh Penguins over a trademark infringement lawsuit. The Penguins sued in February charging that the ""Sport Stars Mario Lemieux"" comic infringed on the team's logo and uniform, which are registered trademarks. Quebec Nordiques 1-800-463-3333 St. Louis Blues St. Louis Blues center Ron Sutter will miss the rest of the season as a result of separating his right shoulder. San Jose Sharks The San Jose Sharks announced that ticket prices will increase by about 30% for the 1993-94 season when they move from the Cow Palace into a new $155-million arena in San Jose. ** Recalled defenseman Tom Pederson from Kansas City of the International Hockey League. ** Reached agreement in principle with left wing Alexander Cherbayev. Tampa Bay Lightning 1-800-881-2639 At least two investor groups are poised to build a sports arena in downtown Tampa if the delay-plagued company that holds a lease from the Tampa Bay Lightning bows out. Tampa Coliseum Inc. has a lease with the National Hockey League team to develop an entertainment and sports arena next to Tampa Stadium, but has been unable to raise enough money for the project. Sent left winger Mike Hartman to the New York Rangers for center Randy Gilhen. Sent defenseman Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for a third-round 1993 draft choice. Sent defenseman Rob Ramage to the Montreal Canadiens for minor league defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations. ** Manon Rheaume's first starting appearance in goal for the Atlanta Knights was impressive enough for her coach to say she has a chance to be a backup goalie for another minor league team next season. Rheaume, the first female to play professional hockey, stopped 25 shots and gave up six goals against the Cincinnati Cyclones on Saturday night, April 10. After the game, her coach, Gene Ubriaco, said Rheaume performed well enough to compete for the No. 2 goalie spot with the Louisville IceHawks of the East Coast Hockey League next season. The Knights and the IceHawks are minor league clubs of the Tampa Bay Lightning. ** As their first season comes to a close, there are rumors swirling that the Tampa Bay Lightning just might become the Atlanta Lightning. Or the Minnesota Lightning. But they are just rumors, according to Lightning general manager Phil Esposito. ESPN reported on Sunday, April 11, that the Lightning, who have been playing in 10,400-seat Expo Hall, are exploring opportunities to move to either Atlanta or Minneapolis. But Esposito said there was no truth to the report. ""We were disappointed with ESPN's irresponsible comment,"" Esposito said. ""There is just no substance to the rumor."" Rumors have been swirling for the past two years regarding a move by Tampa Bay, which is presently discussing plans to build a new arena. Toronto Maple Leafs ** Defenseman Matt Martin, who helped Maine win the 1993 NCAA hockey championship, gave up his final year of eligibility and signed a contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Vancouver Canucks The Vancouver Canucks have cleared the last hurdle in their effort to build a new stadium. Vancouver council has given the green light for the 100 million dollar complex. It will seat 20 thousand people and will have an adjoining office tower. It will be built between the viaducts near B.C. Place in Vancouver. Site preparation will begin this summer, with a completion date of Fall 1995. Traded left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick to Hartford for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick. Obtained defenseman Dan Ratushny from Winnipeg for a ninth-round draft pick. ** Signed right wing Brian Loney to a multi-year contract and assigned him to Hamilton of American Hockey League (AHL). Washington Capitals (301) 808-CAPS Traded goaltender Jim Hrivnak and future considerations to Winnipeg for goaltender Rick Tabaracci. Winnipeg Jets Winnipeg Jets have been allowed economic assistance in order to keep them in the Smythe division as a result of expansion. Sent defenseman Mark Osiecki to Minnesota for ninth- and 10th-round draft picks in 1993. Sent goaltender Rick Tabaracci to Washington for Jim Hrivnak and future considerations. Sent defenseman Dan Ratushny to Vancouver for a ninth-round draft pick. Winnipeg's Teemu Selanne broke the NHL's rookie points record. The Jets rookie tied the record of 109 points, set by Peter Stastny with Quebec (1980-81), with a goal, his 66th of the season, and moved ahead on an assist in a 5-4 loss to Toronto. ** The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season. ----- - Expansion news: The National Hockey League announced that the expansion Anaheim and South Florida franchises will join the league for the 1993- 1994 season. Disney and National Hockey League officials announced Monday, March 1, that the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, Disney's expansion team, will take to the ice next fall. Michael Eisner, chairman and chief executive officer of the Walt Disney Co., said the Mighty Ducks will play at the Pond, the new Anaheim sports arena, near Disney's flagship theme park. The arena is under construction and will be completed in June. The Pond seats 17,350. The team still must meet the league's requirement that it sell at least 10,000 season tickets for the final grant of NHL membership. Anaheim named Jack Ferreira general manager and Pierre Gauthier assistant general manager. ** Veteran NHL scout Al Godfrey has been hired as the Midwest regional scout for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Philadelphia Flyers' senior vice president Bobby Clarke was named Monday, March 1, to the post of general manager for Miami's NHL expansion team. Franchise owner H. Wayne Huizenga made the announcement at the Miami Arena, three months after being awarded a franchise. Huizenga said he plans to have a team on the ice in time for the beginning of the NHL season in October. ----- - Realignment: Eastern Conference Atlantic Division Washington Capitals, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, South Florida, Tampa Bay Lightning Northeast Division Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Hartford Whalers, Montreal Canadiens, Ottawa Senators, Pittsburgh Penguins, Quebec Nordiques Western Conference Central Division Chicago Blackhawks, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, St. Louis Blues, Toronto Maple Leafs, Winnipeg Jets Pacific Division Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings, San Jose Sharks, Vancouver Canucks Schedule: Eastern Conference teams will play five games against each of six divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the seven teams in the conference's other division (28) and two games against each of the 12 Western Conference members (24). Western Conference teams will play six games against each of five divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the six teams in the conference's other division (24) and two games against each of the 14 Eastern Conference clubs (28). Playoffs: The system will be conference-based, with the No. 1 team meeting the No. 8 team in the first round, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No. 6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5. Matchups will be based on overall points with the four division champions being placed in the first- or second-place seeds in each conference and being assured of home-ice in the first two playoff rounds. All series will be best of seven (2-2-1-1-1 rotation) except matchups between Central and Pacific teams. Those series will rotate 2-3- 2 to reduce travel. In those cases, the team with the most regular-season points will choose whether to start the series at home or away. ----- - Draft news: Under terms of the new expansion draft, which will be held in June, each of the 24 existing clubs will be allowed to protect one goaltender, five defensemen and nine forwards. The most recent expansion drafts allowed teams to protect two goalies and did not make a distinction between forwards and defensemen. First-year pros only will be exempt from the draft, which is down from the two-year exemption teams had last season. San Jose, Tampa Bay and Ottawa still will be allowed to exempt second-year pros. Each of the 24 teams will lose two players, with a maximum loss of one goaltender and a maximum loss of one defenseman. The one exception is that a team which loses a goaltender can then no longer lose a defenseman. At the end of the first phase of the draft, the two new franchises will have three goaltenders, eight defensemen and 13 forwards for a total of 24 players. A second phase then will be conducted where San Jose, Tampa Bay and Ottawa will select two players each from the rosters of the two new teams. Ottawa, Tampa Bay and San Jose will be guaranteed priority drafting selection in the 1993 draft as long as they have the three worst records. Anaheim and Miami will choose no lower than fourth and fifth. The expansion franchises will move up in the draft should either San Jose, Tampa Bay or Ottawa not finish in the bottom three positions. The two new teams will pick first and second in the 1994 Entry Draft, regardless of their finish in 1993-94. Should either of the two new teams not play next season they would have priority drafting position in 1994. The owners announced the 1994 draft will be in Hartford and the 1995 draft in Winnipeg. The 1994 draft was scheduled for Boston, but a delay in the construction of a new arena required the draft be moved. ----- - League news: Disputes: The NHL owners and players have resolved differences over salary arbitration procedures, clearing the way for about 40 hearings. NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow didn't disclose how the issues were resolved, but the prior sticking point had been the manner in which statistics were used in arbitration hearings. Olympics: The NHL announced February 26, 1993, it will not make professional players available to compete in the 1994 Winter Olympics. League Leadership: Los Angeles Kings owner Bruce McNall succeeded Blackhawks owner Bill Wirtz as chairman of the NHL's powerful Board of Governors. Appointed to join McNall on the Executive Committee were Ron Corey of the Montreal Canadiens, Mike Ilitch of the Detroit Red Wings, Peter Pocklington of the Edmonton Oilers and Ed Snider of the Philadelphia Flyers. Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey League, Friday, December 11, 1992. Miscellaneous: Henri Richard, Bernie Parent and Billy Smith have been named special ambassadors for the Stanley Cup Centennial, a season-long celebration of the NHL championship trophy. The trio will appear at league-wide function such as the All-Star Game and Stanley Cup playoffs. The National Hockey League named John N. Turner, former Prime Minister of Canada, to serve on Board of Directors of Hockey Hall of Fame and Museum and nominated Scotty Morrison, David M. Taylor, Larry Bertuzzi, Robert G. Bundy, Walter Bush, Murray Costello, Jim Gregory, Leslie Kaplan, Lawrence G. Meyer and Alan Tonks to serve on Board, which takes office March 30. NHL President Gil Stein was one of four individuals elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame Builder's category. The others were Buffalo Sabres' Chairman of the Board and President Seymour Knox III, Vancouver Canucks' Chairman Frank Griffiths and veteran Canadian hockey executive Fred Page. Former NHL linesman John D'Amico was selected in the Hall of Fame's Referee-Linesman category. ----- - NHL TV Games are carried on TSN and CBC in Canada, on ESPN in the U.S. Check your local listings. The National Hockey League has struck a conditional five-year deal with ESPN to televise professional hockey through the 1996-97 season. The series of agreements grants ESPN exclusive national coverage of the NHL starting with the 1992-93 season, and the cable network has an option to extend the term of that domestic agreement for four more years. The deal also grants ESPN exclusive international television distribution, excluding Canada, for the next five years. The league's new TV contract calls for ESPN to televise up to 25 regular-season games to its domestic audience this coming season and 37 playoff games, including the entire Stanley Cup Final. The majority of ESPN's regular-season games will be televised on Friday nights. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced Wednesday, March 3, that ABC Sports will televise five Stanley Cup playoff games starting next month. ABC will carry the playoff games on its network through an arrangement with ESPN, the U.S. rightsholder for NHL games. ESPN will provide the production of the games. ABC owns ESPN. April 18 - Wales Conference Game #1 Quarterfinals April 25 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Quarterfinals May 2 - Wales Conference Game #1 Semifinals May 9 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Semifinals May 16 - Wales Conference Game #1 Finals ----- - Award winners, all-star teams, hall of fame inductees, and draft picks 91-92 Award Winners: Hart Trophy (MVP): Mark Messier (NYR) Vezina Trophy (best goalie): Patrick Roy (Mon) Norris Trophy (best defenseman): Brian Leetch (NYR) Calder Trophy (best rookie): Pavel Bure (Van) Selke Trophy (best defensive forward): Guy Carbonneau (Mon) Lady Byng Trophy (sportsmanship): Wayne Gretzky (LA) Jack Adams Award (best coach): Pat Quinn (Van) Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (perseverance): Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI) King Clancy Trophy (contribution to community): Ray Bourque (Bos) Jennings Trophy (lowest team GAA): Patrick Roy (Mon) Art Ross Trophy (most scoring points): Mario Lemieux (Pit) Hall of Famer players Frank Boucher and Red Dutton and executives Bruce McNall and Gil Stein Thursday were named the 1993 winners of the Lester Patrick Award for ``outstanding service to hockey in the United States''. The award is selected each year by a committee representing a wide cross-section of the hockey community. 91-92 1st All-Star Team: Patrick Roy (G, Mon), Ray Bourque (D, Bos), Brian Leetch (D, NYR), Mark Messier (C, NYR), Brett Hull (RW, StL), Kevin Stevens (LW, Pit) 92-93 All-Star Game Starters (as voted by fans): Wales Conference: Mario Lemieux (C, Pittsburgh), Jaromir Jagr (W, Pittsburgh), Kevin Stevens (W, Pittsburgh), Ray Bourque (D, Boston), Brian Leetch (D, Rangers), Patrick Roy, (G, Montreal). Campbell Conference: Steve Yzerman (C, Detroit), Brett Hull (W, St. Louis), Pavel Bure (W, Vancouver), Chris Chelios (D, Chicago), Paul Coffey (D, Los Angeles), Ed Belfour (G, Chicago) 91-92 All-rookie team: Gilbert Dionne (LW, Mon), Tony Amonte (RW, NYR), Kevin Todd (C, NJ), Vladimir Konstantinov (D, Det), Nicklas Lidstrom (D, Det), Dominik Hasek (G, Chi). 1992 Hall of Fame Inductees: Marcel Dionne, Bob Gainey, Lanny McDonald, and Woody Dumart. First round of the 1992 entry draft: # Player (pos, team) 1 Roman Hamrlik (D, TB) 2 Alexei Yashin (C, Ott) 3 Mike Rathje (D, SJ) 4 Todd Warriner (LW, Que) 5 Darius Kasparaitis (D, NYI) 6 Cory Stillman (C, Cal) 7 Ryan Sittler (LW, Phi) 8 Brandon Convery (C, Tor) 9 Robert Petrovicky (C, Har) 10 Andrei Nazarov (LW, SJ) 11 David Cooper (D, Buf) 12 Sergei Krivokrasov (LW, Chi) 13 Joe Hulbig (LW, Edm) 14 Sergei Gonchar (D, Was) 15 Jason Bowen (LW, Phi) 16 Dmitri Kvartalnov (LW, Bos) 17 Sergei Bautin (D, Win) 18 Jason Smith (D, NJ) 19 Martin Straka (C, Pit) 20 David Wilkie (D, Mon) 21 Libor Polasek (C, Van) 22 Curtis Bowen (LW, Det) 23 Grant Marshall (RW, Tor) 24 Peter Ferraro (C, NYR) ----- - New NHL Rules Game ejection for instigating a fight. Helmets are optional. Grabbing an opponent's stick as a defensive move is a penalty. Diving to draw a penalty is a penalty. Coincidental minors when both teams are full-strength result in 4 vs. 4 play. High sticking is from the waist up. - New CBA - ratified by NHLPA on 4/11/92 Term: September 16, 1991 to September 15, 1993. Licensing and endorsements: Players own exclusive rights to their individual personality, including their likenesses. Salary arbitration: New rules negotiated; 8 salary arbitrators to be jointly agreed upon. Free agency: Compensation scale reduced for players age 30 and under. Group III free agent age reduced to 30 from 31. A player who has completed 10 or more professional seasons (minor or NHL) and who in last year of contract didn't earn more than the average NHL salary, can elect once in his career to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of his contract. Salary and awards: Players' playoff fund increased to $7.5M in 1991-92 & $9M in 92-93. New minimum salary of $100,000. Insurance: $200,000 disability coverage. Dental & broad-based medical improvements. 100% increase in life insurance for players; coverage for wives. Pension: Improved pension contributions of $8000 to $12500 per player per year, depending on the player's number of NHL games. Agreement on language to guarantee continuation of Security Plan negotiated in 1986. Regular season: Increased from 80 to 84 games in 92-93. For 2 games played at neutral sites, all arrangements and revenues to be shared. Rosters: Kept at 18 skaters and 2 goaltenders for 92-93. Entry draft: Reduced to 11 rounds from 12. Supplemental draft: One selection for each non-playoff team. Joint study group: Examine financial state of NHL & issue report to assist in preparing for 1993 negotiations ----- NHL free agency categories (effective until 9/15/93) Group I: - players aged 24 and under - player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation - for compensation, old club has right to match offer from new club - for equalization, old club has no right to match offer - equalization, which can consist of players, draft picks, and/or cash, must be agreed upon between two clubs or submitted to arbitration Group II: - players aged 25 to 29 - player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation - for equalization, old club has right to match offer only if it is at least $351,000 - for compensation, schedule is: one first round pick if player signs for $350,000-$500,000/year two first round picks if player signs for $500,000-$1 million/year extra first round pick for each additional $1M over $1M/year Group III: - players aged 30 and over - old club gets no compensation, but has right to match offer - to receive right to match, old club must make qualifying offer of 15% over player's salary in prior season Group IV: - players considered defected free agents Group V: - player with 10 years of experience whose salary is below NHL average can choose to be a free agent without compensation once in his career. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. NHL Minor Leagues The NHL minor leagues are the International Hockey League, the American Hockey League and the East Coast Hockey League. Information on the Central Hockey League and the American Hockey Association can be found in section 4. ----- IHL contacts: IHL: Rob Springall Atlanta Knights: Scott Clarkson Cincinnati Cyclones: Joseph Combs Cleveland Lumberjacks: Rob Gasser Ft. Wayne Komets: Rob Gasser ** Milwaukee Admirals: Jason Hanson Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Roland Behunin The International Hockey League has granted a franchise to a Las Vegas group headed by Henry Stickney for the 1993-1994 season. ** The International Hockey League named Bob Chase. voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, as the league's broadcaster of the year. The IHL also said the annual award, effective next year, will be named in Chase's honor. Also honored by the IHL were Jim Loria of the Kansas City Blades as marketing director of the year, Shelly Gartner of the Phoenix Roadrunners as merchandise manager of the year and Steve Doherty of the Kalamazoo Wings as public relations director of the year. ** The Atlanta Knights of the International Hockey League announced Thursday, April 8, that Manon Rheaume will be the starting goaltender in a home game Saturday night, April 10, against the Cincinnati Cyclones. Rheaume will become the first female to start in a regular season professional hockey game. ** Fort Wayne -- Announced winger Scott Gruhl will retire at the end of the International Hockey League season. Gruhl will join the Muskegon Fury of the Colonial League. ** The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season. ** The San Diego Gulls of the International Hockey League set a record with their 61st victory, 5-1, over the Salt Lake Golden Eagles. The Gulls (61- 11-8) became the first team in professional hockey to win that many games in a season. The 1976-77 Montreal Canadiens won 60 games. IHL's 1992 Turner Cup: The Kansas City Blades defeated Muskegon Lumberjacks 4 games to 0. ----- AHL contacts: AHL: Rob Springall Bri Farenell Mark Anania See Section 5 for newsletter information. Atlantic Division: Cape Breton, Fredericton, Halifax, Moncton, St. John's Northern Division: Adirondack, Capital District, Providence, New Haven, Springfield Southern Division: Baltimore, Binghamton, Hershey, Rochester, Utica, Hamilton The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to the Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian NHL team with an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear they intend to move the team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic Provinces. This sale and move has yet to be approved by the AHL head office, but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting in May. The Baltimore Skipjacks, the Washington Capitals' American Hockey League affliate, will skate next season as the Portland Pirates. The Calgary Flames will base their farm team in the AHL in St. John, New Brunswick next season. The team will be called the St. John Blue Flames. ** The Fort Wayne Komets of the IHL said they have been told by Winnipeg of the NHL that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season. AHL's 1992 Calder Cup: The Adirondack Red Wings beat the St. John's Maple Leafs 4 games to 3. The home-ice curse held true as all games in the final were won by the visiting team. John Anderson (New Haven) is 1992 winner of Les Cunningham Plaque as AHL MVP. ----- ECHL contacts: ECHL, Toledo Storm: Rob Gasser The Toledo Storm hockey team is asking SeaGate Convention Center to consider becoming its host site beginning with the 1994-95 season. The Storm, which has played its last two seasons in the Toledo Sports Arena, said it asked for 55 dates in the downtown facility. The Storm also has been talking with backers of a proposed ice complex in suburban Sylvania to become a primary tenant. ECHL's 1992 Riley Cup: Hampton Roads beat Louisville 4 games to 0. See Section 5 for newsletter information. ----- Minor League Affiliates for NHL teams: Bos: Providence Bruins (AHL), Johnstown Chiefs (ECHL) Buf: Rochester Americans (AHL), Erie Panthers (ECHL) Cal: Salt Lake Golden Eagles (IHL), Roanoke Valley Rebels (ECHL) Chi: Indianapolis Ice (IHL), Columbus Chill (ECHL), St. Thomas (Col. HL) Det: Adirondack Red Wings (AHL), Toledo Storm (ECHL) Edm: Cape Breton Oilers (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL) Har: Springfield Indians (AHL), Louisville Icehawks (ECHL) LA : Phoenix Roadrunners (IHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL) Min: Kalamazoo Wings (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL) Mon: Fredericton Canadiens (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL), Flint (Col. HL) NJ : Utica Devils (AHL), Birmingham Bulls (ECHL) NYI: Capital District Islanders (AHL), Richmond Renegades (ECHL) NYR: Binghamton Rangers (AHL) Ott: New Haven Senators (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL) Phi: Hershey Bears (AHL) Pit: Cleveland Lumberjacks (IHL), Knoxville Cherokees (ECHL) Que: Halifax Citadels (AHL), Greensboro Monarchs (ECHL) SJ : Kansas City Blades (IHL), Nashville Knights (ECHL) StL: Peoria Rivermen (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL), Flint (Col. HL) TB : Atlanta Knights (IHL) Tor: St. John's Maple Leafs (AHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL), Brantford (Col. HL) Van: Columbus Chill (ECHL), Hamilton Canucks (AHL) Was: Baltimore Skipjacks (AHL), Hampton Roads Admirals (ECHL) Win: Moncton Hawks (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL) Ind: Cincinnati Cyclones (IHL) Fort Wayne Komets (IHL) Michigan Falcons (Colonial HL) Milwaukee Admirals (IHL) San Diego Gulls (IHL) St. Thomas (Colonial HL) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. College Hockey contacts: NCAA: Mike Machnik Wisconsin Badgers: Jeff Horvath CCHA, Bowling Green State: Keith Instone ECAC, Clarkson: Bri Farenell - e-mail lists: Wayne Smith maintains 2 lists, one for discussions (HOCKEY-L) and one for news (HOCKEY-D): send e-mail to with body: SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-L or SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-D (a read-only list containing news from HOCKEY-L) Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the archives of the College Hockey Mailing List. Send a message to the server at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands (either or both) - ftp site: andy.bgsu.edu The directory ""pub/Hockey"" contains CCHA press releases, scores, standings, and rosters. The sub-directory ""Archives"" has archives of the Division I college hockey mailing list since 1989. Also, archives from the Division III list since May 1992 are available. NCAA hockey championship: Semi-finals: Maine 4, Michigan 3 (OT) Lake Superior State 6, Boston University 1 Finals: Maine 5, Lake Superior State 4 Freshman Paul Kariya who was named winner of the 1992-93 Hobey Baker Award as college hockey's top player. ** The NCAA Division I Hockey Championships will be held at the St. Paul Civic Center in St. Paul, Minnesota, on March 31 and April 2, 1994. For priority seating call the University of Minnesota Ticket Office at (612) 624-8080, between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday or send a postcard to: University of Minnesota Ticket Office 1994 NCAA Hockey Championships 516 15th Avenue SE Minneapolis MN 55455 - NCAA Division I Teams CCHA (Central Collegiate Hockey Association): Bowling Green, Ferris State, Illinois-Chicago, Lake Superior, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Western Michigan, Notre Dame, Kent State, Alaska-Fairbanks (affiliate member ) CCHA Playoff structure: The top 6 will host the bottom 6 (1 vs 12, 2 vs 11, etc) in a two-of-three weekend series The six winners will advance to Joe Louis Arena for single elimination the rest of the way. The top 2 remaining seeds get a bye while 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 on the first night. On the second night, the 4 remaining teams battle it out, leaving only two to play for the championship, on the third night. Alaska- Fairbanks, as an affiliate member, will be seeded from #7 to #12 by the league office. ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (men's): Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RPI, St. Lawrence, Union, Vermont, Yale ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (women's): Brown, Colby, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Princeton, Providence, Rochester Institute of Technology, St. Lawrence, Yale The Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference unveiled the nation's first intercollegiate women's ice hockey league and announced the 12 teams will begin play in the 1993-94 season. The top eight finishers in the ECAC Women's Ice Hockey League will qualify for a post-season tournament. The league replaces an informal 15-team conference of nine Division I and six Division III schools, which held their own respective division tournaments at the end of the regular season. The ECAC said it would discontinue its Division III women's tournament after the 1992-93 season. Hockey East: Boston College, Boston University, UMass-Lowell, Maine, Merrimack, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Association): Colorado College, Denver, Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Minnesota-Duluth, North Dakota, Northern Michigan, St Cloud, Wisconsin Alaska-Anchorage has joined the WCHA as a full-fledged member for 93-94 Independents: Air Force, Alabama-Huntsville, Alaska-Anchorage, Alaska-Fairbanks, Army ----- - Canadian Intercollegiate Athletic Union CIAU Championships: Finalists: Team: Division: University of Alberta Golden Bears West University of Guelph Gryphons Ontario West University of Toronto Varsity Blues Ontario East University of Acadia Axemen East Semi-finals: Acadia 9, Alberta 4 Toronto 3, Guelph 2 Finals: Acadia 12, Toronto 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Other Hockey Leagues - 1992 World Championships in Czechoslovakia Sweden defeated Finland 5-2 (gold medal match) Czechoslovakia defeated Switzerland 5-2 (bronze medal match) Final Standings (round robin): GROUP A W T L GF GA Pts GROUP B W T L GF GA PTS Finland 5 0 0 32 8 10 Russia 4 1 0 23 10 9 Germany 4 0 1 30 14 8 Czech 4 0 1 18 7 8 USA 2 1 2 14 15 5 Switz 2 2 1 12 11 6 Sweden 1 2 2 14 12 4 Canada 2 1 2 15 18 5 Italy 1 1 3 10 18 3 Norway 1 0 4 8 16 2 Poland 0 0 5 8 41 0 France 0 0 5 8 22 0 Austria will replace Poland in Pool A of 1993 WC in Germany The 1993 World Championships (Pool A) is scheduled to run from Apr 18 to May 2 in Munich, Germany. ----- ** - 1993 World Championships (Pool B) in Eindhoven, the Netherlands #g w l t pts gf ga 1. Great Britain 7 7 0 0 14 50 13 2. Poland 7 6 1 0 12 71 12 3. Netherlands 7 5 2 0 10 47 20 4. Denmark 7 4 3 0 8 38 24 5. Japan 7 3 4 0 6 34 31 6. Romania 7 2 5 0 4 20 44 7. China 7 1 6 0 2 12 79 8. Bulgaria 7 0 7 0 0 9 58 Great Britain advances to Pool A. Bulgaria is relegated to Pool C. ----- - 1992 Olympic Games ** - e-mail lists: Charlie Slavin maintains OlymPuck - The Olympic Hockey Discussion List: send e-mail to with body: SUBSCRIBE OlymPuck your_name favorite country(ies) CIS won the gold, Canada the silver, and Czechoslovakia the bronze (defeated USA). Yale hockey coach Tim Taylor was named coach for the '94 US Olympic Team. Dany Dube from the UQTR Patriotes (CIAU) and Tom Renney from the Kamloops Blazers (WHL) are co-coaches of Canada's national program. The 1998 Nagano Winter Olympic Organizing Committee said it has approved the addition of women's ice hockey and curling to the list of official medal events at the Games. The decision, which came at the organizing committee meeting here, followed an accord reached in Nagano between the committee and the IOC Coordination Committee. The decision will be formally ratified by an Executive Board meeting of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and its Session. As a result, the number of total events at Nagano will increase to 64 in seven sports. ----- - 1991 Canada Cup Team Canada defeated Team USA 2 games to 0. ----- - 1992 Izvestia hockey tournament Final: Russia II - Czechoslovakia 2-1 Game for 3rd and 4th place: Russia I - Sweden 4-1 Game for 5th and 6th place: Finland - Switzerland 3-1 Game for 7th and 8th place: Canada - Germany 6-1 Final Standings for the 25th Izvestia Cup: 1. Russia II (the Russian Olympic team) 2. Czechoslovakia 3. Russia I 4. Sweden 5. Finland 6. Switzerland 7. Canada 8. Germany ----- - 1992 Germany Cup Russia defeated Team Canada 6-3 to win the $170,000 four-team Germany Cup for the third time. The Russian team, coached for the first time by the legendary Boris Michailov, assured itself of the $67,000 winner's check after a 3-1 win over Czechoslovakia. The former Soviet Union and Commonwealth of Independent States captured the tournament in 1988 and 1991 under Viktor Tikhonov. ----- - 1992 Spengler Cup Canada, with Fabian Joseph scoring his second goal of the game at 3:47 of overtime, beat Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 in the final of the Spengler Cup at Davos, Switzerland. The Canadians overcame a two-goal deficit in the final two minutes of regulation and went on to earn their second overtime victory within 15 hours. Final: Team Canada - Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 (1-1,2-2,2-2,1-0) OT ----- - 1992 European cup finals Duesseldorf, December 30, 1992 Bronze: Jokerit Helsinki - Lions Milano 4-2. Gold: Malmoe IF - Dynamo Moscow 4-3 (Shootout) This was the third successive European championship for a Swedish team: in 1990 and 1991 the champion was Djurgaarden (Stockholm). ----- - 1993 Sweden Hockey Games ** Final Standings: GP W T L GF-GA P 1. Sweden 3 2 0 1 13- 8 +5 4 2. Czech Republic 3 2 0 1 16-11 +5 4 3. Russia 3 1 1 1 9-11 -2 3 4. Canada 3 0 1 2 13-21 -8 1 Sweden wins due to head-to-head result vs the Czech republic. ----- - Junior Leagues contact: WHL: Randy Coulman Mitch McGowan The site for the 75th Memorial Cup Tournament has yet to be chosen. It will be staged in Ontario but the exact location won't be determined until next spring. In March of '93, the two regular-season division champions from the Ontario Hockey League will meet in a best-of-seven series at the start of the playoff season. The winner of the series earns the right to host the Memorial Cup, traditionally held in May. The eventual OHL champion will also participate in the tourney. But if the league champs also happen to be the club hosting the Memorial Cup, then the league finalists will advance as well."" Charles Poulin (Mon draft) of St-Hyacinthe (QMJHL) is '92 Canadian Hockey League Player of the Year. 1992 Memorial Cup at Seattle Round-robin standings W L GF GA Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL) 3 0 14 8 Kamloops Blazers (WHL) 2 1 10 7 Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL host) 1 2 9 10 Verdun College Francais (QMJHL) 0 3 5 13 Semifinal Kamloops 8 Seattle 3 Final Kamloops 5 Sault Ste. Marie 4 ----- - Central Hockey League contact: Marc Foster Ted Wollnik See Section 5 for newsletter information. CHL: Fort Worth Fire, Wichita Thunder, Dallas Freeze, Tulsa Oilers, Memphis River Kings, Oklahoma City Blazers Six non-affiliated teams play a 60 game schedule extending from early November to mid March. Each team is owned by the league, with local interests controlling day to day operations. Each team has a $100,000 salary cap for 17 total players (16 dress up). Unlike the ECHL, players are not limited to three years in the league. A Western Division may be added to the Central Hockey League for the 93- 94 season if the plans of CHL president Ray Miron materialize. Miron confirmed that El Paso, Amarillo, Tuscon, and Albuquerque are cities under consideration for the Western Division, which would play some interlocking games with the Eastern Division. Meanwhile, San Antonio and Houston are close to being confirmed as the league's newest members. ----- - Major League Hockey A new hockey league with franchises throughout the United States and Canada will begin play in the fallof 1993, officials announced Wednesday, February 10. Major League Hockey was founded by Roy Boe, former president of the New York Islanders of the National Hockey League and the New York/New Jersey Nets of the American and National Basketball associations. According to Boe, the league will debut with six to eight teams playing a schedule of approximately 80 games. Franchise applications have been received from groups in Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Phoenix, San Francisco, Saskatoon, Toronto and Worcester, Mass., Boe said. Although the league will not raid existing leagues to stock its rosters, Boe said it will seek the ``world's finest hockey players.'' Boe said league play will have an international flair and discussed implementing some rules which are reminiscent of those of the IIHF. ``We're removing the red line, moving the goal nets forward and eliminating all tie games,'' said Boe. The MLH office will operate out of Stamford, Conn. ----- - British Premier Division: contacts: Neil A. McGlynn: (from NA) (from Europe) Steve Salvini: Contact Steve for the GB USENET draft. e-mail list: send e-mail to to subscribe. Durham Wasps defeated Nottingham Panthers 7-6 in '92 British championship game. ----- - Finnish Elite League (SM-LIIGA): contacts: Juha Koivisto & Kimmo Kauranen Vesa J Pyyluoma Final standings 91-92: 1) Jokerit, Helsinki 2) JyP HT, Jyvaskyla 3) HIFK, Helsinki 4) Assat, Pori 5) TPS, Turku 6) Lukko, Rauma 7) KalPa, Kuopio 8) HPK, Hameenlinna 9) Ilves, Tampere 10) Reipas, Lahti 11) Tappara, Tampere 12) JoKP, Joensuu JoKP dropped and Kiekko-Espoo from Espoo qualified to the SM-LIIGA Individual stats leaders 91-92: Points: Makela Mikko, TPS 25+45=70 (+ playoffs: 2+3=5 ) Scoring: Selanne Teemu, Jokerit 39+23=62 (+ playoffs: 10+7=17) All Stars 91-92: Briza Petr (Lukko), Virta Hannu (TPS), Laurila Harri (JyP HT), Makela Mikko (TPS), Janecky Otakar (Jokerit), Selanne Teemu (Jokerit) ----- - German Hockey League: contact: Andreas Stockmeier or Duesseldorfer Eishockey-Gemeinschaft defeated SB Rosenheim in '92 German final ----- - Swedish Elite League (Elitserien): contact: Staffan Axelsson ** 1992-93 regular season final standings: 1. Vasteras 2. Brynas 3. Malmo 4. Farjestad 5. MoDo 6. Lulea 7. Leksand 8. Djurgarden 9. HV 71 10. Rogle 11. Frolunda 12. AIK Brynas defeated Lulea 3 games to 2 for the 1993 Swedish hockey championship. ----- - Swiss First Division: Kloten became the 1992-93 champions of the Swiss League Nationale A by beating Fribourg-Gotteron 4-2 to sweep the final series 3-0. ----- - 1992 Women's World Championships at Finland 1 Canada, 2 USA, 3 Finland, 4 Sweden, 5 China, 6 Norway, 7 Denmark, 8 Switzerland ----- 1993 World Junior Hockey Championships at Sweden Final Standings: GP W T L GF-GA +/- P 1. Canada 7 6 0 1 37-17 +20 12 2. Sweden 7 6 0 1 53-15 +38 12 3. Czechoslovakia 7 4 1 2 38-27 +11 9 4. USA 7 4 0 3 32-23 + 9 8 5. Finland 7 3 1 3 31-20 +11 7 6. Russia 7 2 2 3 26-20 + 6 6 7. Germany 7 1 0 6 16-37 -21 2 8. Japan 7 0 0 7 9-83 -74 0 Canada wins gold due to head-to-head result vs Sweden. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. 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Available from Eric Rickin : Keyword Description AHLADDR AHL team addresses CANJUNIORS Canada junior teams NHLTV TV stations for each team NHLRADIO Radio stations for each team USJUNIORS US junior teams XXXXDRAFT XXXX (for XXXX=1989-1992) NHL Entry Draft 1991EXP 1991 NHL Expansion & Dispersal Draft Available from Rob Springall : Keyword Description AHL Up-to-date info on the AHL IHL Up-to-date info on the IHL NHL.C A C program that prints the 91-92 NHL schedule for a specified day Available from Stan Willis : Keyword Description ATTEND 91-92 NHL team home attendance report by quarters PSLOGOS NHL team logos in PostScript Available from David Anthony Wyatt : Keyword Description ALLLIST All-time List of Professional Hockey Franchises Available from Roland Behunin : Keyword Description SATINFO Satellite info for NHL teams Available from Mike Machnik : Keyword Description DIV1SCHED 92-93 NCAA Division I scores Mike can also provide a schedule for any of the 46 Division I teams to people who ask. E-mail him for details. Available from Bill Clare : Keyword Description RETIRED List of retired numbers for NHL players Available from Staffan Axelsson : Keyword Description WCMEDALS World Championships Medalists 1920-1992 WCSTAND World Championships All-Time Standings, Pool A 1920-1992 WCALSTAR World Championships All-Star Teams 1961-1992 WCROSTXX World Championships Gold Winning Teams' Rosters 1958-1992 (Specify XX=58-92) WJHC History of medals given at the World Junior Hockey Championships WJHCSTAT Team and player stats from the World Junior Hockey Championships. Available from Paul Brownlow : Keyword Description CHLPOY Past Canadian Hockey League players of the year MEMCUP Past Memorial Cup winners Available from : To use the statsmailer, send e-mail to ""wilson@cs.ucf.edu"" with subject ""statsmailer"" and a body containing the word HELP to receive a list of allowable commands. Things available: NHL team/league schedules/calendars, a plethora of team statistics, scores of games, and some assorted hockey files. Seasons 1988-1992 available. New material was added on 1/19/93. Available from Mitch McGowan Keyword Description ROSTERS 1993 NHL All-Star Game rosters NHLLEAD 1991-92 NHL Leaders (Scoring, Goals, Assists, Power-play goals, Short-handed goals, Game-winning goals, Shots, Goals- against average, Victories, Save percentage, Shutouts) ZAMBONI Alan Thicke's ""Book of Zamboni"" opening from the 1991 NHL Awards broadcast Available from Matt Militzok Keyword Description STATS Up-to-date NHL statistics Available from Harry Peltz Keyword Description SCORES Compilation of NHL scores for the current month (in compressed and uuencoded format) Dates can also be specified for specific box scores, but try not to request too many at one time (Max 5 box scores or three days). Available from Richard Stueven Keyword Description DIRECT Current NHL directory file Available from Michael Burger Keyword Description TVINFO TV/Radio stations for all teams along with network information. Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the archives of the College Hockey Mailing List. Send a message to the server at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands (either or both) GET 9293CONF STAND (for all Division I conference standings) GET 9293COMP SCHEDULE (for a full-season listing of Division I scores) The schedule is about 1000 lines long and the standings file is about 50 lines. These files are updated more-or-less weekly around Monday. Contact Mike Machnik (nin15b34@merrimack.edu) with any questions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. USENET Hockey Pool send e-mail to . -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Up-coming Dates Apr 18 - May 2: The 1993 World Championships (Pool A), Munich, Germany. Jun 26: NHL entry draft, Quebec City, Quebec. Feb 12 - Feb 27, 1994: XVII Olympic Winter Games, Lillehammer, Norway. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Answers to some frequently asked questions: Q: Why are the Montreal Canadiens called the Habs? A: Most of the team during the 40-50's was made up of people who lived in and around Montreal. Hence they were called ""Les Habitants"" (natives of Montreal). This was then shortened to the Habs. Q: Why is the Montreal Canadiens logo a large C with an H within it? A: In 1914-15, the Canadiens logo consisted of C with an A within it to signify Club Athletique Canadien (CAC). The next year, CAC no longer existed and it was changed to what it is now to signify Club de Hockey. Q: What is the most informative hockey publication? A: The Hockey News is preferred by most North American hockey fans. It is a weekly journal with up-to-date info. Phone: 800-268-7793 (Canada and US) Phone/fax: 0483 776141 (UK and rest of Europe) Q: How does a 5-minute power-play count in the penalty killing stats in the NHL? A: If X goals are scored, then the team gets credit for X goals in X+1 chances. Q: How is +/- computed in the NHL? A: First, +/- only applies to skaters. Except for a power-play goal, when a goal is scored, each skater on the ice for the scoring team is given a +, and each skater on the ice for the other team is given a -. Short- handed goals do count for +/-. Q: What is the five-hole? A: The space between a goalie's pads. There are five major scoring zones: (1) upper left corner of goal, (2) upper right, (3) lower left, (4) lower right, and (5) five-hole. Q: What is the meaning of throwing an octopus on the ice? A: This tradition began in Detroit in the 1950's when two best-of-seven series were required to win the Stanley Cup. Every time Detroit won a game, an octopus with one less arm was thrown on the ice. Q: Who was the first woman to play in an NHL game? A: Manon Rheaume, a 20-year-old goaltender, became the first woman ever to play in an NHL game on September 23, 1992 when she started in net for the expansion Tampa Bay Lightning in an exhibition against the St. Louis Blues. Rheaume played the first period before 8,223 at the 10,400-seat Expo Hall on the Florida State Fairgrounds and allowed two goals on nine shots. She left with the score tied 2-2, although the Lightning ultimately lost the game, 6-4. Q: What is the richest contract in NHL history? A: Mario Lemieux, the superstar center of the Pittsburgh Penguins, signed the richest contract in NHL history, a seven-year deal believed to be worth about $42 million. Lemieux will earn between $6 million and $7 million a year, nearly twice as much as any other player in the league. Q: Who is the new commissioner of the NHL? A: Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey League, Friday, December 11, 1992. Bettman joined the NBA in 1981 as assistant general counsel. He became the league's chief legal officer in September of 1984. A New York resident, Bettman graduated from Cornell University in 1974 and from New York University School of Law in 1977. Q: How many professional hockey leagues are there in North America? A: Six: National, American, International, East Coast, Central and Colonial Hockey Leagues. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Miscellaneous: For field hockey discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.sport.hockey.field. For skating discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.skate. Some sites get another hockey group, called clari.sports.hockey. c.s.h consists of the UPI feed for all UPI news articles that are related to hockey, including game results, summaries, scores, standings, etc. Much of the information in the NHL team news section comes from this newsgroup. The rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions posting is posted semi- monthly, usually on the 1st and 15th of each month, during the hockey season. This file was originally created by Tom Wilson, who posted it during the 1991-92 season. It was taken over by Mitch McGowan for the 1992-93 season. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please make corrections via e-mail, indicating ""r.s.h FAQ"" as the subject line. Feel free to start a discussion on any previously mentioned topic (but use an appropriate subject line). Mitch McGowan 1 " 7834,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 59 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO >effect on homicide rates. I don't think anyone is arguing that there would be no effect. But there would be no _net_ _positive_ effect. You also have to consider the negative side: Law abiding citizens, armed with fireamrs (pistols for the most part), prevent between 80,000 (National Crime Survey) and 1,000,000 (Dr. Kleck) crimes each year. (Those are the extremes. Most studies find the number to be 500,000 to 600,000.) About 1% of those crimes are homicides, so private ownership of firearms _saves_ approximately 5,000 lives each year. There are roughly 12,000 criminal homicides and fatal accidents involving guns each year. For there to be any net benefit, you would have to show that gun control measures would disarm over 40% of the criminals currently using guns. That would be very hard to do: According the the federal BATF, only 8% of criminals buy their guns over the counter. Since gun control laws, by their very nature, only effect legal sales, such a law would remove all the benefits of armed, law-abiding citizens while having only a minimal effect on armed criminals (who, by and large, get their guns illegally.) That doesn't sound like a net benefit to me. >...There were over 250 >accidental< handgun >homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. Since most were with licensed weapons, I assume you are not supporting ""reasonable"" laws (i.e. waiting periods, background checks, licenses, etc...). Since only a complete ban would alter the statistic you refer to, I assume that's what you are supporting. By the way, 1135 people dies in 1986 from falling down stairs. 250 accidental handgun deaths isn't significant next to other household accidents. >...More >American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) >than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. 1080 children under the age of 10 died by drowning, 69 from drinking poisonous household chemicals (like Drano), 139 from falls. If the real goal is to reduce the tragic, accidental deaths of children, wouldn't a ban on drain cleaners be a better palce to start? (Or, perhaps, restricting ownership to professionals like plumbers?) >...Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs >TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). While you might call it ""emphasis"", refering to completely two statistics in the same sentence _implies_ a comparison. If it isn't valid, and you put the numbers together to convince people you are right, the kindest thing I could call it is propaganda. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 7835,8,"From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Subject: How to buy a first bike, etc. Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 8 There have been a *lot* of posts lately about ""I wanna buy my first bike - is a GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?"" etc. I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to post one all the time. -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca " 7836,6,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Portable Color Television For Sale Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 17 Hello Everyone, I have a Casio TV-470 LCD Color Television for sale. It is in mint condition. Retail is $199 but I'm looking to get about 1/2 of that for it, tops. Highest bidder in a week gets it, assuming the highest bidder is at least $60. TV comes with black case and uses 4 AA batteries. They also sell AC adaptor. It has external jack for phones and external antenna, etc. The picture is very good and it has electronic tuning so you don't have to screw with tuning a picture in, etc. I have the box and all documentation. This has seen less than 3 hours use as I have all but sworn off TV. Best Regards Jack Waters II " 7837,3,"From: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) Subject: Re: CYRIX 486DLC-40 CPU Reply-To: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 12 > 2) Anyone using this cpu, what is your impressions of the cpu performance, > compatability? There is a benchmark program called COMPTEST said CYRIX CPUs have a bug so they cannot run the program. Also may be NeXTSTEP 486? regards, Desmond Li LUT, UK. " 7838,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 24 In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized voice telling you the number of the line. Unfortunately, for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians use it all the time. We used to play around with this in our dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between rooms. sorry! aaron " 7839,1,"From: renner@adobe.com (John Renner) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 27 In article <19930420.090030.915@almaden.ibm.com> capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli) writes: >In Ferdinand Oeinck writes: >>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double >>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. > >See: > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, > ""A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves"", > ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163. I've used that reference, and found that I needed to go to their original tech report: Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, ""Characterizing Cubic Bezier Curves"" Xerox EDL-88-8, December 1988 This report can be obtained for free from: Xerox Corporation Palo Alto Research Center 3333 Coyote Hill Road Palo Alto, California 94303 +1-415-494-4440 The TOG paper was good, but this tech report had more interesting details ;-) -john " 7840,4,"From: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Subject: re: Dead mouse ? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 Lines: 1 " 7841,4,"From: lriggins@afit.af.mil (L. Maurice Riggins) Subject: LCIII Cache Card? Summary: Rumors? Announcements? Nntp-Posting-Host: bat.afit.af.mil Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 4 Anyone seen any press releases or heard any rumors of a cache card for the LCIII, now that it has the full data bus width on the PDS slot? -- Maurice INTERNET: lriggins@afit.af.mil " 7842,3,"From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) Subject: 8 cards on a 6 card motherboard? Organization: Temple University Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit) to get the usual 8? My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out! I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns one slot into three. I don't mind if it turns it into 8-bit slots, as I can put my I/O card, MIDI card, and Soundblaster card there. My other cards are 16 bit (IDE/Floppy, SVGA, modem). If there is such an expander, does that screw up performance of everything else? I'd hate to buy a new motherboard! :-( -- Carl Christensen /~~\_/~\ ,,, Dept. of Computer Science christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu | #=#==========# | Temple University ""Curiouser and curiouser!"" - LC \__/~\_/ ``` Philadelphia, PA USA " 7843,2,"From: gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Gloege) Subject: OTTOMENU ... Where Can I Get it ? Originator: gloege@hphalle0a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 22 I've heard about Ottomenu which should be a good desktop on Windows 3.0/3.1 . Can anybody tell me where I can get it ? It should be on CICA in /pub/pc/win3/util but it is not. It is also not an WUSTL,SIMTEL and a great number of other sites. Just post it or mail me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andreas Gloege Kazmaierstr.48 (bei Klarmann) 8000 Muenchen 2 089/508336 email : gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 7844,12,"From: henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-26.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: > > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old > 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac > and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to > sell them but have gotten NO interest. > > So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy > some SIMMs 8-) ) Sure I'll give you 10 bucks for all of them " 7845,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ""CAN'T BREATHE"" Article-I.D.: pitt.19440 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 23 In article <1993Mar29.204003.26952@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >I think it is important to verify all procedures with proper studies to >show their worthiness and risk. I just read an interesting tidbit that >80% of the medical treatments are unproven and not based on scientific >fact. For example, many treatments of prostate cancer are unproven and >the treatment may be more dangerous than the disease (according to the >article I read.) Where did you read this? I don't think this is true. I think most medical treatments are based on science, although it is difficult to prove anything with certitude. It is true that there are some things that have just been found ""to work"", but we have no good explanation for why. But almost everything does have a scientific rationale. The most common treatment for prostate cancer is probably hormone therapy. It has been ""proven"" to work. So have radiation and chemotherapy. What treatments did the article say are not proven? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7846,0," cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!portal.austin.ibm.com!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!karner Subject: Re: Islamic marriage? From: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) <1993Apr2.103237.4627@Cadence.COM> Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr2.103237.4627@Cadence.COM>, mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes: > In article karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) writes: > > > >Okay. So you want me to name names? There are obviously no official > >records of these pseudo-marriages because they are performed for > >convenience. What happens typically is that the woman is willing to move > >in with her lover without any scruples or legal contracts to speak of. > >The man is merely utilizing a loophole by entering into a temporary > >religious ""marriage"" contract in order to have sex. Nobody complains, > >nobody cares, nobody needs to know. > > > >Perhaps you should alert your imam. It could be that this practice is > >far more widespread than you may think. Or maybe it takes 4 muslim men > >to witness the penetration to decide if the practice exists! > >-- > > > > Again you astound me with the level of ignorance you display, Muslims > are NOT allowed to enter temporary marriages, got that? There is > no evidence for it it an outlawed practise so get your facts > straight buddy. Give me references for it or just tell everyone you > were lying. It is not a widespread as you may think (fantasise) in > fact contrary to your fantasies it is not practised at all amongst > Muslims. First of all, I'm not your buddy! Second, read what I wrote. I'm not talking about what muslims are ALLOWED to do, merely what *SOME* practice. They consider themselves as muslim as you, so don't retort with the old and tired ""they MUST NOT BE TRUE MUSLIMS"" bullshit. If I gave you the names what will you do with this information? Is a fatwa going to be leashed out against the perpetrators? Do you honestly think that someone who did it would voluntarily come forward and confess? With the kind of extremism shown by your co-religionaries? Fat chance. At any rate, there can be no conclusive ""proof"" by the very nature of the act. Perhaps people that indulge in this practice agree with you in theory, but hope that Allah will forgive them in the end. I think it's rather arrogant of you to pretend to speak for all muslims in this regard. Also, kind of silly. Are you insinuating that because the Koranic law forbids it, there are no criminals in muslim countries? This is as far as I care to go on this subject. The weakness of your arguments are for all netters to see. Over and out... -- DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine solely and do not represent my employer in any way. F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com " 7847,2,"From: frode@zevs.ifi.unit.no (Frode Kvam) Subject: FTP-site for .WAV-files Organization: Institutt for informatikk, Universitetet i Tr.heim, AVH X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 27 Hello everybody... Are there any ftp-sites with wav-files available??? Frode Kvam :-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ (C) _______________________________________________________________________________ Name: Frode Kvam Univ: University of Trondheim, dept of informatics E-mail: frode@ifi.unit.no Snail-mail: Lademoens Kirkealle 8 7042 TRONDHEIM Voice: + 47 7 50 45 06 _______________________________________________________________________________ *** Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers. *** _______________________________________________________________________________ " 7848,11,"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Declassifying media Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 82 There are many Urban Legends (maybe this ought to be in the Crypt FAQ?) about what is actually sufficient to clear or declassify magnetic media when used for classified data. Here is some information ""from the horse's mouth"". (Regarding the sufficient overwriting of media (""clearing"") meant to be *retained* within the controlled environment, or declassifying the material to be reused *outside* the controlled environment,) From National Telecommunications and Information Systems Security (NTISS) ""Advisory Memorandum on Office Automation Security Guidelines"" (NTISSAM COMPUSEC/1/87): ------ ""7.6.2.1 Clearing of Magnetic Media Certain types of removable media (e.g., magnetic tape, floppy disk, cassettes, and magnetic cards) may be cleared by overwriting the entire media one time with any one character. Floppy disks may be cleared by applying a vendor's formatting program that overwrites each location with a given character. Fixed media (e.g., Winchester disks) should be cleared by overwriting at least one time with any one character. One way to do this is by applying a vendor-supplied formatting program that overwrites each location on the disk with a given character, if it can be shown that this program actually works as advertised. The user should beware: some programs that purport to overwrite all locations do not actually do this. Cleared media may be resides within the controlled facility or released for destruction; however, they should be marked and controlled at the level of the most restrictive sensitivity of information ever recorded. 7.6.2.2 Declassification of Magnetic Media Certain types of removable media can be declassified using a degaussing device that has been approved for declassifying media of that type. (A list of approved devices is maintained by the NSA.) If a fixed medium (for example, a hard, or Winchester, disk) is operative, an approved method of declassifying the disk pack is to employ an overwrite procedure which must overwrite all addressable locations at least three times by writing any character, then its complement (e.g., binary ones and binary zeros) alternatively. When fixed media become inoperative, it is impossible to declassify the media by the overwrite method. In this case, there are two alternate procedures that may be used: (1) disassemble the disk pack, and degauss each platter with the appropriate approved degaussing equipment; and (2) courier the inoperative media to the vendor's facility, have the magnetic media (e.g., disk platter) removed in sight of the courier and returned to the courier for destruction at the secure site. The vendor can then install new platters and repair any other problems with the disk unit. 7.6.3 Destruction of Magnetic Media"" [see DoD Computer Security Center, ""Department of Defense Magnetic Remanence Security Guideline"", CSC-STD-003-85 FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY] ------ This and many other interesting documents (many that are more informative than probably intended) on computer security procedures can be obtained (free) from: Executive Secretary National Telecommunications and Informations Systems Security Committee National Security Agency Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 Write them! It's fun to be on the NSA's mailing list... -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F " 7849,9,"From: re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.145753.21557@holos0.uucp>, lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed) writes: > In article hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes: > >Didn't Bob Horner go straight from Arizona State Univ. > >to the Atlanta Braves? I remember he had one great > >month hitting dingers and then the next I heard > >he was in Japan. > A month? Well, he did have a short career--compared to what one might > have expected for such a highly touted prospect--due to being injury prone, > overweight, and having no work ethic. But he certainly did not > suffer from being rushed to the bigs. Sorry Len, this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs. Being overweight and having no work ethic, leading to being injury prone with nothing to loose, might have been corrected in Richmond. (Did you intend a smiley after your comment?) This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. Who could stop that? Guess we'll never know. P.S. - Rocky fans (are there any yet?) Is Dale getting any playing time out there? I plan to be at the game on June 28th, they'll have to play him then. -- ""Read that to memory and process it!"" - RUSSELL EARNEST Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!re4 ARPA: russell.earnest@housing.gatech.edu " 7850,8,"From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: slack Posted for a friend: Looking for tires, dimensions 14"" x 3.25"" or 3.35"" Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes. Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with. Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me. -- I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building. DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer. Keep it that way. Pete Ashdown pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Salt Lake City, Utah " 7851,4,"From: mark@bilpin.co.uk (Mark Allerton) Subject: FOR SALE - MACINTOSH SE/30 Organization: SRL Data Lines: 26 X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1 FOR SALE Apple Macintosh SE/30 8MB RAM, 80MB HD System 7.1 Installed RasterOps 264/30 24-bit video card for SE/30 Apple 13"" Monitor Targus carrying case I'm after offers in the region of 1250 pounds. I'm in the north London area. Contact Mark Allerton E-Mail: pascal@cix.compulink.co.uk mark@bilpin.co.uk Phone: 081 341 6400 (evenings/weekends) 071 267 2561 (office hours) +-----------------------------------+ | Mark Allerton | | SRL Data | | mark@bilpin.co.uk | | pascal@cix.compulink.co.uk | +-----------------------------------+ " 7852,9,"From: (Sean Garrison) Subject: Re: Bonilla Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale Univeristy Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr17.213553.2181@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, krueger@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (theodore r krueger) wrote: > Isn't it funny that a white person calls comeone a ""nigger"" and gets banned > for a year, but a black person calls someone a ""faggot"" and there is no > consequence? > Ted Ted, you're missing a vital point. As Roger Lustig pointed out in a previous response, the reason why Schott was banned from baseball was because she had been known to call and think in a racially biased manner on a constant basis. Such thoughts affected her hiring practices. Bonilla, on the other hand, was found to have mentioned this one word a single time. If he had been known to go around, criticizing homosexuals, it would be a different story. Furthermore, he is merely an athlete. He doesn't have to hire anyone as Schott had to do. Dave Pallone, the former NL umpire who is an admitted homosexual, has decided to assist in a protest before a Mets game at Shea. He, like you, thinks that Bonilla should be suspended from baseball. Pallone is hoping for a year's suspension. In my opinion, that's downright ludicrous. As Howie Rose on WFAN said, if you start suspending athletes who have mentioned a derogatory word even a single time under whatever conditions, then you'd probably have enough people remaining to play a three-on-three game. Now, honestly, if you truly analyze the differences between the two cases that you bring up in your article, I would think that you'd reconsider your thoughts. -Sean ******************************************************************************* ""Behind the bag!"" - Vin Scully ******************************************************************************* " 7853,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 82 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: > >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their > >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. > >> > >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever > >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of > >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" > > Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people > come out with their hands up several weeks ago. > It didn't happen. > >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally > >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely > >>scenarios. > > > >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating > >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly > >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. > > More than someone who would not release children from the compound. > Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. > I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". > I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in > 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. > Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. You should at least view the whole documentary before you claim it as a source. > I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they > bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are > responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. > Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? I saw one place. > >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. > >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is > >>ludicrous. > > > >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to > >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people > >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? > > Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it is the root cause of all the other suspicion. > >Drew > >-- > >betz@gozer.idbsu.edu > >*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** > >*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** > >*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, > > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium > > > -- > Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 7854,5,"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 1/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 938 Archive-name: x-faq/part1 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 This article and several following contain the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) often seen in comp.windows.x. It is posted to help reduce volume in this newsgroup and to provide hard-to-find information of general interest. Please redistribute this article! This article includes answers to the following questions, which are loosely grouped into categories. Questions marked with a + indicate questions new to this issue; those with significant changes of content since the last issue are marked by !: 0) TOPIC: BASIC INFORMATION SOURCES AND DEFINITIONS 1)! What books and articles on X are good for beginners? 2)! What courses on X and various X toolkits are available? 3)! What conferences on X are coming up? 4) What X-related public mailing lists are available? 5) How can I meet other X developers? 6) What related FAQs are available? 7) How do I ask a net-question so as to maximize helpful responses? 8) What publications discussing X are available? 9) What are these common abbreviations/acronyms? 10) What is the ICCCM? (How do I write X-friendly applications?) 11) What is the X Consortium, and how do I join? 12) Just what are OPEN LOOK and Motif? 13) Just what is OpenWindows? 14) Just what is DECWindows? 15) What is PEX? 16) What is ""low-bandwidth X"" (LBX)? XRemote? PPP? SLIP? CSLIP? 17) TOPIC: USING X IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE 18)! What are all these different window managers? 19) Why does my X session exit when I kill my window manager (sic)? 20) Can I save the state of my X session, like toolplaces does? 21) How do I use another window manager with DEC's session manager? 22) How do I change the keyboard auto-repeat rate? 23) How do I remap the keys on my keyboard to produce a string? 24)! How do I make a screendump or print my application? 25) How do I make a color PostScript screendump of the X display? 26) How do I make a screendump including the X cursor? 27) How do I convert/view Mac/TIFF/GIF/Sun/PICT/img/FAX images in X? 28) How can I change the titlebar of my xterm window? 29) Where can I find the xterm control sequences? 30)- Why does the R3 xterm, et al, fail against the R4 server? 31) How can I use characters above ASCII 127 in xterm ? 32) Why are my xterm menus so small? 33) How can I print the current selection? 34) How does Xt use environment variables in loading resources? 35) How to I have the R4 xdm put a picture behind the log-in window? 36) Why isn't my PATH set when xdm runs my .xsession file? 37) How do I keep my $DISPLAY when I rlogin to another machine? 38) How can I design my own font? 39) Why does adding a font to the server not work (sic)? 40) How do I convert a "".snf"" font back to "".bdf"" font? 41) What is a general method of getting a font in usable format? 42) How do I use DECwindows fonts on my non-DECwindows server? 43) How do I add "".bdf"" fonts to my DECwindows server? 44)! How can I set backgroundPixmap in a defaults file? (What is XPM?) 45) Why can't I override translations? Only the first item works. 46) How can I have xclock or oclock show different timezones? 47) I have xmh, but it doesn't work. Where can I get MH? 48) Why am I suddenly unable to connect to my Sun X server? 49) Why don't the R5 PEX demos work on my mono screen? 50)! How do I get my Sun Type-[45] keyboard fully supported by Xsun? 51) How do I report bugs in X? 52) Why do I get ""Warning: Widget class version mismatch""? 53) Where can I find a dictionary server for xwebster? 54) TOPIC: OBTAINING X AND RELATED SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE 55) Is X public-domain software? 56) How compatible are X11R3, R4, and R5? What changes are there? 57)! Where can I get X11R5 (source and/or binaries)? 58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5? 59) What is the xstuff mail-archive? 60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)? 61) Where can I get OSF/Motif? 62) Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5? 63) Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK? 64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications) 65)! Where can I get interesting widgets? 66) Where can I get a good file-selector widget? 67) What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas? 68) What is the current state of the world in X terminals? 69) Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen? 70) Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)? 71) Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS? 72) Where can I get X for the Amiga? 73) Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation? 74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board? 75) Where can I get an ""X terminal"" server for my low-end Sun 3/50? 76) What terminal emulators other than xterm are available? 77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor? 78) Where can I get an X-based mailer? 79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program? 80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program? 81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet? 82) Where can I get X-based project-management software? 83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer? 84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package? 85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package? 86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer? 87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer? 88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder? 89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts? 90) Where can I get an X-based debugger? 91)! How can I ""tee"" an X program identically to several displays? 92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5] 93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build? 94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5? 95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.? 96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2? 97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC? 98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc? 99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3? 100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1? 101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4? 102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined) 103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole? 104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole? 105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS 106) What is Imake? 107) Where can I get imake? 108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do? 109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines? 110) What are these problems with ""_XtInherit not found"" on the Sun? 111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X? 112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES 113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)? 114) How do I figure out what window manager is running? 115) Is there a skeleton X program available? 116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)? 117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work? 118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow? 119) I'm writing a widget and can't use a float as a resource value. 120) Is this a memory leak in the X11R4 XtDestroyWidget()?! 121) Are callbacks guaranteed to be called in the order registered? 122) Why doesn't XtDestroyWidget() actually destroy the widget? 123) How do I query the user synchronously using Xt? 124) How do I determine the name of an existing widget? 125) Why do I get a BadDrawable error drawing to XtWindow(widget)? 126) Why do I get a BadMatch error when calling XGetImage? 127) How can my application tell if it is being run under X? 128) How do I make a ""busy cursor"" while my application is computing? 129) How do I fork without hanging my parent X program? 130) Can I make Xt or Xlib calls from a signal handler? 131) What are these ""Xlib sequence lost"" errors? 132) How can my Xt program handle socket, pipe, or file input? 133) How do I simulate a button press/release event for a widget? 134) Why doesn't anything appear when I run this simple program? 135) What is the difference between a Screen and a screen? 136) Can I use C++ with X11? Motif? XView? 137) Where can I obtain alternate language bindings to X? 138) Can XGetWindowAttributes get a window's background pixel/pixmap? 139) How do I create a transparent window? 140) Why doesn't GXxor produce mathematically-correct color values? 141) Why does every color I allocate show up as black? 142) Why can't my program get a standard colormap? 143) Why does the pixmap I copy to the screen show up as garbage? 144) How do I check whether a window ID is valid? 145) Can I have two applications draw to the same window? 146) Why can't my program work with tvtwm or swm? 147) How do I keep a window from being resized by the user? 148) How do I keep a window in the foreground at all times? 149) How do I make text and bitmaps blink in X? 150)+ How do I get a double-click in Xlib? 151)! How do I render rotated text? 152) What is the X Registry? (How do I reserve names?) If you have suggestions or corrections for any of these answers or any additional information, please send them directly to uunet!craft!faq; the information will be included in the next revision (or possibly the one after that; thanks for the many suggestions which haven't been incorporated yet). This version of the FAQ is in the process of having R3 information replaced by R5 information. This posting is intended to be distributed at approximately the beginning of each month. New versions are archived on export.lcs.mit.edu and are also available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu and archive-server@nic.switch.ch (send ""help""). The information contained herein has been gathered from a variety of sources. In many cases attribution has been lost; if you would like to claim responsibility for a particular item, please let me know. Conventions used below: telephone numbers tend to be Bell-system unless otherwise noted; prices on items are not included; email addresses are those that work from the US. X Window System is a trademark of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. (Note: a script by George Ferguson (ferguson@cs.rochester.edu) to pretty-print this faq is available from ugle.unit.no:/pub/X11/contrib/xfaq2texinfo.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 0) TOPIC: BASIC INFORMATION SOURCES AND DEFINITIONS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 1)! What books and articles on X are good for beginners? Ken Lee of SynOptics (klee@synoptics.com) regularly posts to comp.windows.x and ba.windows.x a bibliography containing cites of all known reference books and how-to manuals and also cites of selected technical articles on X and X programming; it is ftp-able as export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/Xbibliography and gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/Xbibliography Here is an unordered set of the reference books and tutorials most useful for beginners; most appear on that list [comments are gathered from a variety of places and are unattributable]: Asente, Paul J., and Swick, Ralph R., ""X Window System Toolkit, The Complete Programmer's Guide and Specification"", Digital Press, 1990. The bible on Xt. A treasury of information, excellent and invaluable. Distributed by Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-051-3, order number EY-E757E-DP; and by Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-972191-6. Also available through DEC Direct at 1-800-DIGITAL. [The examples are on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/ and on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in pub/X11/contrib as asente-swick.examples.tar.Z. They were also posted to comp.sources.x as xt-examples/part0[1-5].] Jones, Oliver, Introduction to the X Window System, Prentice-Hall, 1988, 1989. ISBN 0-13-499997-5. An excellent introduction to programming with Xlib. Written with the programmer in mind, this book includes many practical tips that are not found anywhere else. This book is not as broad as the O'Reilly Xlib tutorial, but Jones is an experienced X programmer and this shows in the quality and depth of the material in the book. Originally written for X11R1, recent printings have included corrections and additions and current material. Young, Doug. ""The X Window System: Applications and Programming with Xt (Motif Version),"" Prentice Hall, 1989 (ISBN 0-13-497074-8). The excellent tutorial ""X Window System Programming and Applications with Xt,"" (ISBN 0-13-972167-3) updated for Motif. [The examples are available on export; the ones from the Motif version are in ~ftp/contrib/young.motif.tar.Z.] Young, Doug and John Pew, ""The X Window System: Programming and Applications with Xt, OPEN LOOK Edition"" (ISBN 0-13-982992-X). The tutorial rewritten for OLIT, with new examples and drag/drop information. [Examples are on export in youg.olit.tar.Z and in you OpenWindows 3 distribution in $OPENWINHOME/share/src/olit/olitbook.] Heller, Dan. ""Motif Programmers Manual"". The 6th Volume in the O'Reilly series covers Motif application programming; it's full of good examples. With Motif reference pages. (ISBN 0-9937175-70-6.) [The examples are available on uunet in comp.sources.x and nutshell archives.] [A Motif 1.2 will be out soon.] Scheifler, Robert, and James Gettys, with Jim Flowers and David Rosenthal, ""X Window System: The Complete Reference to Xlib, X Protocol, ICCCM, XLFD, X Version 11, Release 5, Third Edition,"" Digital Press, 1992. ""The Bible"" in its latest revision, an enhanced version of X documentation by the authors of the Xlib documentation. This is the most complete published description of the X programming interface and X protocol. It is the primary reference work and is not introductory tutorial documentation; additional tutorial works will usually be needed by most new X programmers. Digital Press order EY-J802E-DP, ISBN 0-13-971201-1. Nye, Adrian, ""Xlib Programming Manual, Volume 1"" and ""Xlib Reference Manual, Volume 2,"" O'Reilly and Associates. A superset of the MIT X documentation; the first volume is a tutorial with broad coverage of Xlib, and the second contains reference pages for Xlib functions and many useful reference appendices. Both cover X11R5 (and R4). ISBN 0-937175-26-9 (volume 1) and ISBN 0-937175-27-7 (volume 2). Nye, Adrian, and Tim O'Reilly, ""X Toolkit Programming Manual, Volume 4,"" O'Reilly and Associates, 1989. The folks at O'Reilly give their comprehensive treatment to programming with the MIT Intrinsics; R4 versions are now available, as is a Motif 1.1 version (Volume 4M). O'Reilly, Tim, ed., ""X Toolkit Reference Manual, Volume 5,"" O'Reilly and Associates. A professional reference manual for the MIT X11R4 and X11R5 Xt. Mansfield, Niall. ""The X Window System: A User's Guide,"" Addison-Wesley, 1989. A tutorial introduction to using X, now upgraded for R4. ISBN 0-201-51341-2. Quercia, Valerie and Tim O'Reilly. ""X Window System User's Guide,"" O'Reilly and Associates. A tutorial introduction to using X. ISBN 0-937175-36-6. Also available in R4 and Motif flavors. Mui, Linda and Eric Pearce. ""X Window System Administrator's Guide for X11 R4 and R5"" [ORA Volume 8]. Help for X users and administrators. ISBN 0-937175-83-8. (Prentice-Hall ordering is 201-767-5937. O'Reilly ordering is 800-998-9938.) In addition, check the X11R4 and X11R5 core distribution in doc/tutorials for some useful papers and tutorials, particularly the file answers.txt. ""Late Night's Top Ten X11 Questions"" by Dave Lemke (lemke@ncd.com) and Stuart Marks (smarks@sun.com) answers other common questions and some of these here in more detail. New R5 versions of the O'Reilly references (not yet Volume 6) are now available [8/92]. A single volume, ""Programmer's Supplement for R5"" by David Flanagan, provides an overview of new R5 features; it includes man pages for Xlib, Xt, and Xmu. [ISBN 0-937175-86-2] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2)! What courses on X and various X toolkits are available? Advanced Computing Environments periodically offers at least a two-day Introduction course. Contact Susie Karlson at 415-941-3399 for information. AT&T offers training in Xlib and in the Xol set. Contact AT&T Corporate Education & Training for more info; 1-800-TRAINER in the USA. BIM Educational Services offers training in X administration and in programming with Xt/Motif and Open Windows; the courses are given near Brussels. Info: edu@sunbim.be, voice +32-(0)2-7595925, fax +32-(0)2-7599209. Communica Software Consultants offers three-day hands-on courses in X designed for the X Window System developer and programmer. Contact Chris Clarkson, telephone 61 8 3732523, e-mail communica@communica.oz.au. [12/92] Cora Computer Technologies (516-485-7343) offers several courses. GHCT offers a one week lecture/lab course for programmmers designed by Douglas Young based on his book ""The X Window System: Programming and Applica- tions with Xt, OSF/Motif Edition"". Information: Brian Stell (415-966-8805 or ghct!brian@sgi.com). GHG offers a range of courses on X and Motif. Information: 713-488-8806 or training-info@ghg.hou.tx.us. Hands On Learning has live training and self-paced video workshops on topics such as using and/or programming X, Xlib, Xm, Xt, and widget-writing. Information: 617-272-0088, 800-248-9133. Hewlett-Packard (1-800-HPCLASS; or contact your local HP center) offers a 2-day ""Introduction to X"", a 5-day Xlib course, a 1-day Xt and Motif 1.1 seminar, and a 5-day Motif lab course. Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., offers several multi-day, hands-on courses on X, Xt, and the Xaw and Motif widget sets, in particular. Information is available at 617-621-0060 and info@ics.com. Intelligent Visual Computing teaches several lab courses on-site for Motif and XView. IVC is at 1-800-776-2810 or +1 919-481-1353 or at info@ivc.com. Iris Computing Laboratories offers five-day Xlib and Xt courses. Info: +1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com. IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) offers regular X training courses for both programmers and non-technical managers. See also: Unipalm, below. Learning Tree International offers a four-day course in X Window System applications development, including Xlib and some information on Motif. For more info call 800-824-9155 (213-417-3484); 613-748-7741 in Canada. Courses are offered in major North American cities; also in London, Stockholm, Tokyo, and elsewhere. Lurnix offers 4-day ""type-along courses"" on Xt; the course is being ported from Xaw to Xm. Information is available at 800-433-9337 (in CA: -9338). Mitch Trachtenberg and Associates offers regular 5-day lab courses on programming with OSF/Motif, usually in but not limited to Cambridge, MA. Info: +1 617-225-0440, info@mta.com. Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers courses on programming with Xlib, Motif, and creating Motif widgets. OSF Educational Services (617-621-8778) offers one-day seminars and one-week Motif lab courses. John A. Pew offers a 5-day course on OLIT, possibly based on his book on that subject; 408-224-5739. SCO (+44 923 816344, scol-info@sco.COM) offers training for its Open Desktop (Motif) environment in the UK and Europe. Software Pundits (617-270-0639) offers a range of courses. Technology Exchange (617-944-3700) offers a 4-day Xlib/Xt/Motif course. TeleSoft is now offering a 1-day plus 3-day seminar on X and Motif. Information: Bruce Sherman (619-457-2700, bds@telesoft.com). Unipalm XTech offers OSF's 5-day Motif course and a 1-day overview on X. Information: Unipalm Training at +44 952 211797, xtech@unipalm.co.uk. The University of Edinburgh is developing a series of courses on X and related topics primarily for non-profit-making training in academia but also for commercial use. Information: Cliff Booth, Unipalm Ltd, phone +44 223 420002, fax +44 223 426868. Various other vendors are also beginning to offer X training, usually specific to a proprietary toolkit or to Xt and a proprietary widget set: DEC is offering Xlib courses; Sun offers an XView course. Various universities are offering short X courses or overviews: UCLA, Dartmouth, University of Lowell, University of Canberra (within Australia: 062-522422) ... UC Berkeley Extension will have a one week X/Motif class for programmers in San Francisco starting on July 29. The class will have a hands-on lab. For more information contact UCBX at 415 323 8141. Among the best places to find courses are at the various Unix conferences -- Uniforum, Usenix, Unix Expo, Xhibition, the MIT X Technical Conference, the ACM tutorial weeks, &c. In addition, the X Consortium posts approximately quarterly a list of unendorsed speakers and consultants who can provide talks on a variety of X topics. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 3)! What conferences on X are coming up? The Xhibition 93 X trade show and conference, with tutorials, panels, presentations, and vendor exhibits, will be held at the San Jose Convention Center June 7-11, 1993. Information: +1 617 621 0060, xhibit@ics.com. The Tcl/Tk Workshop will be held at UCal Berkeley June 10-11, 1993. Information: tcl93@cs.berkeley.edu. The 1993 Andrew Technical Conference and Consortium Annual Meeting will be held June 24-25, 1993, in Pittsburgh. Information: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.EDU. The European X User Group holds an annual conference which typically includes includes paper presentations and a vendor exhibit. EXUG'93, ""X in the Real World and Multimedia"" will be held 9/16-9/17 at the Imperial College of Science and Technology, London. Information: exug@demon.co.uk, niall@uit.co.uk or p.whitehead@cc.ic.ac.uk, +44 (0) 223 426534, fax +44 (0) 223 420251. The Motif show is held in Washington to coincide with the FedUnix and the Federal Open Systems Conference (usually December). Information: motif@fedunix.org or paller@fedunix.org, 301-229-1062, fax 301-229-1063. The MIT X Technical Conference is typically held in January in Boston. Registration information is available from registration@expo.lcs.mit.edu. The XWorld Conference and Exhibition includes tutorials, panels, presentations and vendor exhibits. It is typically held in March in New York City. Information: SIGS Publication Group at 212-274-9135. Other trade shows -- UnixExpo, Uniforum, Siggraph -- show an increasing presence of X, including tutorials and exhibits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 4) What X-related public mailing lists are available? The xpert mailing list is the general, public mailing list on X maintained by the X Consortium. The mailings are gatewayed, so xpert is almost identical to the comp.windows.x Usenet newsgroup. *** If you get comp.windows.x, you don't need to *** *** be added to the xpert mailing list. *** Otherwise, you can join the list to receive X information electronically. It is best to find a local distribution; perhaps someone within your company is already receiving the mailing. As a last resort, send mail to xpert-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu with a valid return electronic address. The xannounce mailing list carries major X announcements, such as new releases (including public patches from MIT), public reviews, adoption of standards by the MIT X Consortium, and conference announcements. It does NOT carry advertisements, source code, patches, or questions. If you already receive the Usenet news group comp.windows.x.announce or the xpert mailing list, you don't need to be added to the xannounce mailing list. Otherwise, to subscribe, send a request to xannounce-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu. Note: Only redistribution addresses will be accepted for this list -- i.e. no personal addresses. If you wish to receive xannounce yourself, please contact your mail administrator to set up a local redistribution list and to put you on it. comp.windows.x.apps is not gatewayed to a mailing list. In addition, the X Consortium sponsors these public lists: bug-clx CLX bug reports and discussions x-ada X and ada x11-3d people interested in X and 3d graphics ximage people interested in image processing and X xvideo discussion of video extensions for X To subscribe to one of these lists, assuming no-one in your organization already receives it, send mail to -request@expo.lcs.mit.edu with the Subject line including the name of the LIST in caps and the request ""addition request"". In the body of the message be sure to give an address for your local distribution which is accessible from MIT (eddie.mit.edu). A mailing list for topics related to OPEN LOOK is sponsored by Greg Pasquariello of Unify corporation; send to openlook-request@unify.com (or openlook-request%unify@uunet.uu.net) for information. A mailing list for bugs in the publicly-available version of XView source, in particular, is sponsored by Sun; send for information to xviewbug-trackers-request@sun.com. A mailing list for topics related to Motif is sponsored by Kee Hinckley of Alfalfa Software, Inc.; send to motif-request@alfalfa.com for information. (This group is gatewayed to comp.windows.x.motif.) A mailing list for topics related to the XPM pixmap-format is sponsored by Arnaud Le Hors of Group Bull; send to xpm-talk-request@sa.inria.fr for information. [1/91] A mailing list discussing InterViews can be subscribed to by sending to interviews-request@interviews.stanford.edu. A mailing list (amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi) for topics related to the port of X11 to the Amiga can be subscribed by sending to mailserver@nic.funet.fi a message containing Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Your Real Name A mailing list discussing ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) OI (Object Interface) toolkit can be subscribed to at oi-users-requests@bbn.com. A mailing list discussing multi-threaded Xlib can be subscribed to at mt-xlib-request@xsoft.xerox.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 5) How can I meet other X developers? O'Reilly and Associates sponsors a mailing list for the use of X user group organizers; subscribe by sending to listserv@ora.com the message ""subscribe xgroups your@internet.address"". Local area X user's groups are listed in Issue 4 of O'Reilly's X Resource journal; a list may also be available from xug@ics.com. The French X User Group is called AFUX and is based in Sophia Antipolis by CERICS. Information can be obtained from Miss Vasseur or Miss Forest; BP 148; 157, rue Albert Einstein; 06561 Valbonne Cedex; Phone: +33 93 95 45 00 / 45 01; Fax: +33 93 95 48 57. [10/90] The European X User Group was formed in 1989 to represent X users in Europe. It holds technical conferences at regular intervals. The EXUG also publishes a regular newsletter which is distributed free of charge to members. The EXUG also runs a email mailing list for members which is frequently used to address issues of European interest in X. The EXUG can be contacted at P.Whitehead@cc.ic.ac.uk, +44 (071) 225 8754, fax +44 (071) 823 9497. GXUGiV is the German X User's Group in Vorbereitung (""in preparation"") being formed for X programmers and users; it is associated with the EXUG. All interested should contact Olaf Heimburger (+49 30 7 79 54 64; and at mcvax!unido!tub!olaf). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 6) What related FAQs are available? Liam R. E. Quin (lee@sq.sq.com) posts a FAQ on Open Look to comp.windows.open-look. Jan Newmarch (jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au) posts a FAQ on Motif to comp.windows.x.motif. Peter Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) posts a FAQ for comp.windows.x.intrinsics; it is on export in contrib/FAQ-Xt. Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) posts to comp.windows.x a FAQ on maximizing the performance of X. Steve Kotsopoulos (steve@ecf.toronto.edu) posts to comp.windows.x a FAQ about using X on Intel-based Unix systems. The FAQ in alt.binaries.pictures contains information on viewing images with X and on massaging image formats. The FAQ in comp.mail.mh (gatewayed to MH-users@ics.uci.edu) includes a section on xmh. The FAQ in comp.lang.lisp contains information on several interface tools and toolkits. There exists a PEX/PHiGS FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 7) How do I ask a net-question so as to maximize helpful responses? When asking for help on the net or X mailing lists, be sure to include all information about your setup and what you are doing. The more specific you are, the more likely someone will spot an error in what you are doing. Without all the details, people who want to help you often have to guess -- if they are able to respond at all. Always mention what version of X you are using and where you got it from. If your server came from a different source as the rest of your X system, give details of that, too. Give the machine type, operating system, and O/S version for both the client and server machine. It may also be appropriate to mention the window manager, compiler, and display hardware type you are using. Then tell exactly what you are doing, exactly what happens, and what you expected/wanted to happen. If it is a command that fails, include the exact transcript of your session in the message. If a program you wrote doesn't work the way you expect, include as little of the source necessary (just a small test case, please!) for readers to reproduce the problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 8) What publications discussing X are available? The trade magazines (Unix World, Unix Review, Computer Language, etc.) are publishing more articles on X. Two X-specific publications include: - O'Reilly and Associates publishes ""The X Resource: A Practical Journal of the X Window System"" (103 Morris St. #A, Sebastapol, CA 95472). Editorial information: Adrian Nye, adrian@ora.com. - The X Journal is started bi-monthly publication September 1991 on a variety of X topics. Subscription information: The X Journal, Subscriber Services, Dept XXX, P.O. Box 3000, Denville, NJ 07834, USA. Editorial information: editors%topgun@uunet.uu.net. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 9) What are these common abbreviations/acronyms? Xt: The X Toolkit Intrinsics is a library layered on Xlib which provides the functionality from which the widget sets are built. An ""Xt-based"" program is an application which uses one of those widget sets and which uses Intrinsics mechanisms to manipulate the widgets. Xmu: The Xmu library is a collection of Miscellaneous Utility functions useful in building various applications and widgets. Xaw: The Athena Widget Set is the MIT-implemented sample widget set distributed with X11 source. Xm: The OSF/Motif widget set from the Open Software Foundation; binary kits are available from many hardware vendors. Xhp (Xw): The Hewlett-Packard Widget Set was originally based on R2++, but several sets of patches exist which bring it up to R3, as it is distributed on the X11R4 tapes. Supplemental patches are available to use it with R4/R5. CLX: The Common Lisp X Interface is a Common Lisp equivalent to Xlib. XDMCP: The X Display Manager Protocol provides a uniform mechanism for a display such as an X terminal to request login service from a remote host. XLFD: The X Logical Font Description Conventions describes a standard logical font description and conventions to be used by clients so that they can query and access those resources. RTFM: Common expert-speak meaning ""please locate and consult the relevant documentation -- Read the Forgotten Manual"". UTSL: A common expression meaning ""take advantage of the fact that you aren't limited by a binary license -- Use The Source, Luke"". API: Application-Programmer Interface. The function calls, etc., in a programming library. BDF: Bitmap Distribution Format; a human-readable format for uncompiled X fonts. GUI: graphical user interface. UIL: the User Interface Language, part of OSF/Motif which lets programmers specify a widget hierarchy in a simple ""outline"" form WCL: the Widget Creation Language, a package which extends the understanding of the Xt resource format such that a widget hierarchy and actions on the widgets can be specified through the resources file GIL: the file format put out by Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0 UIMS: User Interface Management System ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 10) What is the ICCCM? (How do I write X-friendly applications?) The Inter-Client Communication Conventions Manual is one of the official X Consortium standards documents that define the X environment. It describes the conventions that clients must observe to coexist peacefully with other clients sharing the same server. If you are writing X clients, you need to read and understand the ICCCM, in particular the sections discussing the selection mechanism and the interaction between your client and the window manager. Get it either: - as part of the R4 distribution from MIT - in the later editions of the Scheifler/Gettys ""X Window System"" book - as an appendix in the new version of O'Reilly's Volume 0, ""X Protocol Reference Manual."" A version in old copies of their Volume 1 is obsolete. The version in the Digital Press book is much more readable, thanks to the efforts of Digital Press's editors to improve the English and the presentation. [from David Rosenthal, 10/90] - the ICCCM was updated for R5; updates are published in O'Reilly's ""Programmer's Supplement for Release 5"". The complete document is on the R5 tapes. Alternate definition: the ICCCM is generally the M in ""RTFM"" and is the most-important of the least-read X documents. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 11) What is the X Consortium, and how do I join? The MIT X Consortium was formed in January of 1988 to further the development of the X Window System and has as its major goal the promotion of cooperation within the computer industry in the creation of standard software interfaces at all layers in the X Window System environment. MIT's role is to provide the vendor-neutral architectural and administrative leadership required to make this work. Membership in the Consortium open to any organization. There are two categories of membership, Member (for large organizations) and Affiliate (for smaller organizations). Most of the Consortium's activities take place via electronic mail, with meetings when required. As designs and specifications take shape, interest groups are formed from experts in the participating organizations. Typically a small multi-organization architecture team leads the design, with others acting as close observers and reviewers. Once a complete specification is produced, it may be submitted for formal technical review by the Consortium as a proposed standard. The standards process typically includes public review (outside the Consortium) and a demonstration of proof of concept. Your involvement in the public review process or as a Member or Affiliate of the Consortium is welcomed. Write to: Bob Scheifler, MIT X Consortium, Laboratory for Computer Science, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA 02139. [For complete information see the XCONSORTIUM man page from the X11R4 distribution, from which this information is adapted.] [2/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 12) Just what are OPEN LOOK and Motif? OPEN LOOK and Motif are two graphical user interfaces (GUIs). OPEN LOOK was developed by Sun with help from AT&T and many industry reviewers; Motif was developed by the Open Software Foundation (OSF) with input from many OSF members. OPEN LOOK is primarily a user-interface specification and style-guide; there are several toolkits which can be used to produce OPEN LOOK applications. Motif includes an API specification; the only sanctioned Motif toolkit is the one from OSF. However, there are other toolkits which can be used to produce programs which look and behave like OSF/Motif; one of these, ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) OI, is a ""virtual toolkit"" which provides objects in the style of OPEN LOOK and Motif, at the user's choice. OPEN LOOK GUI is also the name of a product from AT&T, comprising their OPEN LOOK Intrinsics Toolkit and a variety of applications. [Thanks to Ian Darwin, ian@sq.com, 5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 13) Just what is OpenWindows? Open Windows (3.0) is a Sun product that encompasses: a window system that combines a NeWS and X11-compliant server (X/NeWS); a user-interface specification (OPEN LOOK) and a series of toolkits that implement it (including the SunView-like XView and the Xt-based OLIT); Xlib and Xt implementations; and a number of utilities (olwm window manager, filemgr, shelltool, etc.). [thanks to Frank Greco (fgreco@govt.shearson.COM), 8/90; 4/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 14) Just what is DECWindows? DECWindows is a DEC product that encompasses: an X11 server; the XUI toolkit, including the Dwt widget set and UIL; Xlib and Xt implementations; a session manager; and a number of utilities (dxwm window manager, dxcalendar, dxpsview, etc.). (At some point Motif flavors of the toolkit and applications will be shipped.) [8/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 15) What is PEX? PEX is the ""PHiGS Extension to X"". PHiGS stands for ""Programmer's Hierarchical Interactive Graphics System"" and is essentially a library of functions that simplifies the creation and manipulation of 3D graphics. Many platforms are capable of performing in hardware the computations involved in rendering 3D objects; the extension allows the client (PHiGS in this case) to take advantage of the specialized hardware for 3D graphics. Sun Microsystems is currently contracted to develop a freely redistributable (copyright similar to the current X copyright) sample implementation. Source and documentation are available in the R5 release. Several vendors are currently selling independently-developed PEX servers for their workstations and X terminals. [last modified 10/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 16) What is ""low-bandwidth X"" (LBX)? XRemote? PPP? SLIP? CSLIP? There are several options for using X over serial lines: SLIP - Serial Line IP; this is both a mechanism and a protocol for sending IP packets over point-to-point serial links. It has been around for several years, and implementations are available for many of the major TCP/IP implementations. Most X Terminal vendors supply this as a checkoff item, although nobody really ever uses it since it is horribly slow. The TCP/IP headers add 40 bytes per packet and the TCP/IP encoding of the X protocol is rather verbose (rightfully so; it is optimized for packing and unpacking over high-speed links). CSLIP - Compressed header SLIP; this is a variant of SLIP that compresses the 40 bytes of TCP/IP headers down to about 5 or 6 bytes. It still doesn't do anything about reencoding the X protocol. Modems that do compression can help, but they increase packet latency (it takes time to dribble the uncompressed data through typical serial interfaces, plus the compression assembly time). PPP - Point-to-Point Protocol; this is an emerging standard for point-to-point links over serial lines that has a more complete set of option negotiation than SLIP. A growing number of people see the combination of PPP for the serial line management and CSLIP for the header compression as becoming common for running normal TCP/IP protocols over serial lines. Running raw X over the wire still needs compression somewhere to make it usable. XRemote - this is the name of both a protocol and set of products originally developed by NCD for squeezing the X protocol over serial lines. In addition to using a low level transport mechanism similar to PPP/CSLIP, XRemote removes redundancies in the X protocol by sending deltas against previous packets and using LZW to compress the entire data stream. This work is done by either a pseudo-X server or ""proxy"" running on the host or in a terminal server. There are several advantages to doing compression outside the modem: (1) You don't *have* to have compressing modems in there if you wouldn't otherwise be using them (e.g. if you were going to be directly connected), and (2) It reduces the I/O overhead by cutting down on the number of bytes that have to cross the serial interface, and (3) In addition to the effects of #2, it reduces the latency in delivering packets by not requiring the modem to buffer up the data waiting for blocks to compress. LBX - Low Bandwidth X; this is an X Consortium project that is working on a standard for this area. It is being chaired by NCD and Xerox and is using NCD's XRemote protocol as a stepping stone in developing the new protocol. LBX will go beyond XRemote by adding proxy caching of commonly-used information (e.g. connection setup data, large window properties, font metrics, keymaps, etc.) and a more efficient encoding of the X protocol. The hope is to have a Standard ready for public review in the first half of next year and a sample implementation available in R6. Additional technical information about how XRemote works and a few notes on how LBX might be different are available via anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/ in the following files: XRemote-slides.ps slides describing XRemote XRemote-LBX-diffs.ps more slides describing some of LBX [information provided by Jim Fulton, jim@ncd.com; 7/92] There is also a set of slides on export from Jim Fulton's talk at the 7th MIT X Technical Conference. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 17) TOPIC: USING X IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 18)! What are all these different window managers? The window manager in X is just another client -- it is not part of the X window system, although it enjoys special privileges -- and so there is no single window manager; instead, there are many which support different ways for the user to interact with windows and different styles of window layout, decoration, and keyboard and colormap focus. In approximate chronological order (generally, the more recent ones are more conformant with the ICCCM): wm: this simple title-bar window manager was phased out in R2 or R3 uwm: the Universal Window Manager is still popular for its speed, although it is very outdated. Moved to contrib/ on the R4 tape. twm (old): Tom's Window Manager was among the first non-MIT window managers and offered the user a great deal of customization options in a re-parenting window manager. awm: the Ardent Window Manager remains a hotbed for hackers and offers some features (dynamic menus) not found on more current window managers cwm: cwm is part of the Andrew system. rtl: Siemen's window manager tiles windows so that they don't overlap and resizes the window with the focus to its preferred size. dxwm: Digital's dxwm is part of the DECwindows offering hpwm: HP's window manager offers a 3D look; it is a precursor of mwm mwm: the Motif window manager is part of the OSF/Motif toolkit tekwm: Tektronix's window manager offering olwm (Sun): olwm implements the OPEN LOOK GUI and some of the Style Guide functionality olwm (AT&T): ditto gwm: Bull's Generic Window Manager emulates others with a built-in Lisp interpreter. Version 1.7h (10/91) is on the R5 contrib tape; 1.7n is on avahi.inria.fr and export.lcs.mit.edu. [3/93] m_swm: the Sigma window manager is on the R4 tape pswm: Sun's PostScript-based pswm is part of the OpenWindows release swm: Solbourne's swm is based on the OI toolkit and offers multiple GUI support and also a panned virtual window; configuration information comes from the resources file twm (new): MIT's new Tab Window Manager from the R4 tape is a reworked twm and is the basis for several derivatives, including the one on the R5 tape vtwm: vtwm offers some of the virtual-desktop features of swm, with a single-root window implementation; it is based on the R4 twm and is available on archive servers. A new version, vtwm-5.0, is based on R5.9 and is available from export. [3/92] tvtwm: Tom's Virtual Tab Window Manager is also based on the R4 twm and provides a virtual desktop modeled on the virtual-root window of swm. It is available on archive servers olvwm: the vtwm-style virtual-desktop added to Sun's olwm. It is available on archive servers; version 3.3 [1/93] is on export. mvwm: the vtwm-style virtual-desktop added to OSF's mwm. A beta version is floating around (most recently from suresh@unipalm.co.uk) but requires a source license to OSF/Motif 1.1.3 [3/92]. NCDwm: the window manager local to NCD terminals offers an mwm look XDSwm: the window manager local to Visual Technology's terminals ctwm: Claude Lecommandeur's (lecom@sic.epfl.ch) modification of the R5 twm offers 32 virtual screens in the fashion of HP vuewm; source is on export. Version 2.2.2 [2/93] also offers the window overview used in vtwm and tvtwm. vuewm: HP's MWM-based window manager offers configurable workspaces. 4Dwm: SGI's enhanced MWM piewm: this version of tvtwm offers pie menus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 19) Why does my X session exit when I kill my window manager (sic)? It needn't. What is probably happening is that you are running your window manager as the last job in your .xsession or .xinitrc file; your X session runs only as long as the last job is running, and so killing your window manager is equivalent to logging out. Instead, run the window manager in the background, and as the last job instead invoke something safe like: exec xterm -name Login -rv -iconic or any special client of your devising which exits on some user action. Your X session will continue until you explicitly logout of this window, whether or not you kill or restart your window manager. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 20) Can I save the state of my X session, like toolplaces does? Although no known window manager directly supports such a feature -- which may be equivalent to writing out a .xinitrc or .xsession file naming the geometry and WM_COMMAND of each application (but olvwm may have something close) -- there is a contributed application which does much of what you are looking for, although it is not as complete as the SunView program toolplaces. Look for the application ""xplaces"" on an archive-server near you. There are several versions of this program floating around; look for a recent vintage. [10/90] Some new pseudo session-managers such as HP's vuewm provide for the saving of sessions including information on the geometry of currently-running applications and the resource database. [Bjxrn Stabell (bjoerns@staff.cs.uit.no); 3/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 21) How do I use another window manager with DEC's session manager? DEC's session manager will start dxwm up by default. To override this, add to your .Xdefaults file something like this line, naming the full pathname: sm.windowManagerName: /wherever/usr/bin/X11/your_favorite_wm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 22) How do I change the keyboard auto-repeat rate? You can turn auto-repeat on or off by using ""xset r on|off"". The X protocol, however, doesn't provide for varying the auto-repeat rate, which is a capability not supported by all systems. Some servers running on systems that support this, however, may provide command-line flags to set the rate at start-up time. If you have control over server start-up (see the man pages for xinit and xdm), you can invoke the server with the chosen settings; for example, you can start the Xsun server from MIT with the options ""-ar1 350 -ar2 30"" to reduce the sensitivity of the keyboard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 23) How do I remap the keys on my keyboard to produce a string? There is no method of arranging for a particular string to be produced when you press a particular key. The xmodmap client, which is useful for moving your CTRL and ESC keys to useful places, just rearranges keys and does not do ""macro expansion."" Some (few) clients, including xterm and several X-based editors, accept a translation resource such as: xterm*VT100.Translations: #override \ F1: string(""setenv DISPLAY unix:0"") which permits the shorthand F1 to be pressed to reset the display locally within an xterm; it takes effect for new xterm clients. To include control characters in the string, use \nnn, where nnn is the octal encoding of the control character you want to include. Window managers, which could provide this facility, do not yet; nor has a special ""remapper"" client been made available. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net " 7855,3,"From: gutierrezj@elcsci.com Subject: Help!! My Gateway freezes up Organization: Electro Scientific Industries, Portland OR Lines: 25 Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My computer from Gateway is freezing up on me. Gateway tech support couldn't help me. They want more specifics on when it freezes up. I DID! Anyway, here it is. If the keyboard is left idle in Dos for more than 15 minutes, I can type on the command line, but as soon as I hit a carraige return, the computer locks up. This will happen almost every time, whether I've just booted up, reset, or finished using a dos program. Everything works fine if I don't let it sit. Windows is a different story. If I let the machine sit while in windows for 15 minutes or more, it does not freeze up. However, I do get frequent application errors that kick me out of an application unexpectedly, losing my work. I just don't know if this is a hardware or software problem. Any help in diagnosis or things to try, would be greatly appreciated. P.S. I do not run any TSRs (except smartdrive) and QAplus diagnostics says everything is good. System is: 486SX-33 15"" Crystalscan Gateway Monitor VLB-ATI ultra pro (using mach32 driver build 55) Winchester 170MB HD Microsoft mouse Thanks, El Guapo " 7856,2,"From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 23 dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. >I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors >in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible >quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. >What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. >Thx Dave L Might the problem not be with the video monitor instead? Many of our monitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors. -- Peter Goudswaard _________ _________ goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | | pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | | pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | | | | > < | | ""There's no gift like the present"" | >_________< | | - Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________| " 7857,17,"From: B8HA000 Subject: Re: BB Confessions. Lines: 46 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University In article <1993Apr18.022218.17318@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > >In article , eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >|> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: >|> >|> >|> >In a previous article, friedenb@sapphire.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) says: >|> >|> >> >|> >>For all those interested, I would like to inform all that Binyamin Netanyahu >|> >>(leader of the Israeli Likud party) will be interviewed on CNN tonight on >|> >>Larry King Live. >|> >|> >|> >didn't this guy go crying on the ""zionist"" tv confessing >|> >that he committed adultary, and was cheating on his wife.. >|> >|> >a typical jew leader, huh? >|> >|> Yes. He is. Actually, the typical Muslim/Arab leader hides the fact that he >|> commited adultery by choosing a camel over his husband (or a small male child, >|> whichever is more readily availible). >|> >|> >-- >|> > ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________ >|> > (______ _ | _ |_ >|> >_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | >|> >|> Ed. >|> > >But the irony is that the Jewish population has no problem in electing >a leader who has CONFESSED to having an extra marrital affair. > >This is a first. > >AA. >. >. What else do you expect? Israel is trying to portray itself as the great democracy. One requirement is to have a leader who previously had an extra-marital affair (e.g. Bill Clinton) It helps if your wife says it's OK. Steve " 7858,12,"From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: electronic odometers Article-I.D.: kuhub.1993Apr15.153153.49197 Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 10 I had the insturment panel go out in my car (a 1990 Lincoln Contenintal) which is a digital dash. They replaced the whole thing with a 1991 dash (thank god it was under the warrenty ! :-) Anyway, the odometer was reading the exact milage from the old panel. It must have a EEPROM of some sort in it that is up-dated. Seems to me that removing the battery would erase it, but it doesn't. So I guess they swapped the NVM chip (non-volitile memory) and installed it in the new dash. No, they wouldn't let me have the old dash to tinker with :-( -=-= Wes =-=- " 7859,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: > The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored > transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use > more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to > do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they > must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. The BATF is there to collect taxes, not to protect your sorry ass or mine. > With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed > more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is > the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. All flame-bait, of course. If you really want to be flame bait, send me your address and I'll tell the BATF about those automatic weapons you have stockpiled. You'll be warm in no time. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 7860,1,"From: lm001@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Erwin H. Keeve) Subject: Polygon Reduction for Marching Cubes Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de Keywords: Polygon Reduction, Marching Cubes, Surfaces, Midical Visualisation Dear Reader, I'am searching for an implementation of a polygon reduction algorithm for marching cubes surfaces. I think the best one is the reduction algorithm from Schroeder et al., SIGGRAPH '92. So, is there any implementation of this algorithm, it would be very nice if you could leave it to me. Also I'am looking for a fast !!! connectivity test for marching cubes surfaces. Any help or hints will be very useful. Thanks a lot ,,, (o o) ___________________________________________oOO__(-)__OOo_____________ |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_| |_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| | | | | Erwin Keeve | adress: Peter-Welter-Platz 2 | | | W-5000 Cologne 1, Germany | | | | | Dept. of Computergraphics & | phone: +49-221-20189-132 (-192) | | Computeranimation | FAX: +49-221-20189-17 | | | | | Academy of Media Arts Cologne | Email: keeve@khm.uni-koeln.de | |_______________________________|_____________________________________| " 7861,5,"From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Organization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project In-Reply-To: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM's message of 19 Apr 1993 16:59:12 -0400 Lines: 21 On 19 Apr 1993 16:59:12 -0400, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) said: > I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window > of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application > could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an > XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of > the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). > Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? > Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me > with XOpenWindow? In SGI's distribution with their Indigo line (others as well, possibly), they include source code for a GL widget that fits on top of Motif, and one that's Xt based as well. You may wish to ask IBM whether they support this. -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! #include " 7862,8,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 36 ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >Riding up the hill leading to my >house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to >the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to >the Spagthorpe Viking). I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking. Was that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers? [accident deleted] >What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have >prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not >necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was >riding around the speed limit. You can forget this line of reasoning. When an animal decides to take you, there's nothing you can do about it. It has something to do with their genetics. I was putting along at a mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in, just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me! When I saw her jump the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead of me but a good forty to the side. Damn cow literally chased me down and nailed me. No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a severely annoyed rider were the only casualties. If I had my shotgun I'd still be eating steak. Nope, if 2200lbs of cow can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more manueverable dog. Just run them over. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 7863,12,"From: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: diplodocus.cis.ohio-state.edu >> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >>256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >>and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to >>sell them but have gotten NO interest. How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular Motorola microcontrollers. I am a novice at microcontrollers, but I am starting to get into them for some of my projects. I have several 256k SIMMs laying around from upgraded Macs and if I could use them as ""free"" memory in one or two of my projects that would be great. One project that comes to mind is a Caller ID device that would require quite a bit of RAM to store several hundered CID records etc... - Dan -- Daniel Joseph Rubin rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS! " 7864,10,"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr14.185059.27513@ncsu.edu>, fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) writes: |> |> |> |> > |> > What makes you think so? I'd like to understand your reasoning. |> > From my seat, the Caps don't really appear to believe that they can |> > defeat Pittsburgh. Therefore, they don't. I think their spirit was |> > broken in last year's playoffs and hasn't really recovered. I don't know |> > what the season series numbers were, but I believe that the Pens won it. |> > I think that either the Devils or the Islanders will cause more problems for |> |> |> What is this spirit crap? I'm a Caps fan and hope they win |> if they end up facing Pittsburgh, |> but I don't think the Caps lose to Pitt because of lack |> of spirit. Yes, the Penguins won the season series against the |> Caps. They've won eighteen games in a row for God's sake. |> Did you ever think the Penguins might be good, and that's |> why they win? I re-read what I wrote and it didn't say exactly what I thought. Sure the Pens are a better team. They've got size and the best skill players in the league. They've also got the best clutch goaltending. They're the best team in the league. But, my point was the Caps have not played to their ability level vs the Pens since last year's choke. And that's the mental problem (the one they've had for a number of years) I tried to point out. Spirit, mental preparedness, will to win, whatever you want to call it, it's missing when the Caps play the Pens. Actually, you're right - it won't make any difference. George " 7865,13,"From: news&aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News System) Subject: Re: Oily skin - problem? Article-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.133244.14717 Distribution: sci.med Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: > > Hi there, > > I have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes > oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How > can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out > there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become > oily in such a short time. > > Thank you for any suggestion. > >if this is a disease, everyone should have it. My skin has always been oily - i used to say ""if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face"". i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's skin at 30 (it's still oily). i have only a very few tiny wrinkles. Thank your lucky stars for that skin. " 7866,0,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Idle questions for fellow atheists Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 59 acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu wrote: : I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of : the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group : of the population. I've been thinking about this every now and then since I cut my ties with Christianity. It is surprising to note that a large majority of people, at least in Finland, seem to be apatheists - even though 90 % of the population are members of the Lutheran Church of Finland, religious people are actually a minority. Could it be possible that many people believe in god ""just in case""? It seems people do not want to seek the truth; they fall prey to Pascal's Wager or other poor arguments. A small minority of those who do believe reads the Bible regularly. The majority doesn't care - it believes, but doesn't know what or how. People don't usually allow their beliefs to change their lifestyle, they only want to keep the virtual gate open. A Christian would say that they are not ""born in the Spirit"", but this does not disturb them. Religion is not something to think about. I'm afraid a society with a true atheist majority is an impossible dream. Religions have a strong appeal to people, nevertheless - a promise of life after death is something humans eagerly listen to. Coupled with threats of eternal torture and the idea that our morality is under constant scrutiny of some cosmic cop, too many people take the poison with a smile. Or just pretend to swallow (and unconsciously hope god wouldn't notice ;-) ) : Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a : higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The : typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the : same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the : other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn : somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, : than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it : expresses its own selfishness. If logic and reason are valued, then I would claim that atheistic thinking is of higher value than the theistic exposition. Theists make unnecessary assumptions they believe in - I've yet to see good reasons to believe in gods, or to take a leap of faith at all. A revelation would do. However, why do we value logic and reasoning? This questions bears some resemblance to a long-disputed problem in science: why mathematics works? Strong deep structuralists, like Atkins, have proposed that perhaps, after all, everything _is_ mathematics. Is usefulness any criterion? Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. " 7867,14,"From: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Reply-To: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) Organization: Never Had It, Never Will Lines: 14 In sci.astro, dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: [ a nearly perfect parody -- needed more random CAPS] Thanks for the chuckle. (I loved the bit about relevance to people starving in Somalia!) To those who've taken this seriously, READ THE NAME! (aloud) -- Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Enjoy the buffet! " 7868,6,"From: myoakam@cis.ohio-state.edu (micah r yoakam) Subject: BOAT for SALE Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 14 Distribution: USA Expires: +60days NNTP-Posting-Host: eucalyptus.cis.ohio-state.edu BOAT For SALE 1989 23' IMPERIAL FISHERMAN featuring Walkaround Cuddy Cabin, 305 V8 with VOLVO DUO PROP OUTDRIVE /\/\/\/ AM-FM Cassette Stereo, VHF RADIO, 4x6 HUMMINGBIRD Fishfinder, ALL Safty equipment, Covers, and MUCH MORE. 18000 LB. Capacity includes Storage Trailer Hardly used: LESS Than 100 Hrs Asking: $15,000 OR Best OFFER. For Further information contact Gerald at 1-(419)-756-2950 Mansfield, OH " 7869,3,"From: ph12hucg@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Carsten Grammes) Subject: List of IDE Harddisk specs (21/04/93) Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum Lines: 761 NNTP-Posting-Host: sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de Configuration of IDE Harddisks ============================== last update: 14.4.1993 collected by Carsten Grammes (ph12hucg@rz.uni-sb.de) and published regularly on comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is explicitly NO WARRANTY that the given settings are correct or harmless. (I only collect, I do not check for myself!!!). There is always the possibility that the settings may destroy your hardware! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since I hope however that only well-minded people undergo the effort of posting their settings the chance of applicability exists. If you should agree or disagree with some setting, let me know immediately in order to update the list. If you possess a HD not mentioned here of which you know BIOS and/or jumper settings, please mail them to me for the next update of the list! Only IDE (AT-Bus) Harddisks will be accounted for. If not specified the Landing Zone should be set equal to the number of cylinders. If not specified the 'Write Precompensation' should be set 65535. (There are BIOSes that don't even ask for it). Another statement (maybe right): IDE harddisk don't have Precomp and LZone. The precomp is a built-in parameter and lzone isn't used because most if not every IDE disk has autopark. The jumpers' names are given as printed on the HD's board, often only a jumper number (JP12 means the jumper '12'). A zero means that the jumper is left open, a one means that the jumper is closed. *************************** C O N N E R *************************** Conner Peripherals Drive Geometry IDE/AT Conner drives are low level formatted at the factory. It is only necessary to run SETUP, FDISK, and DOS FORMAT. Model Heads Cylinders Sectors PComp L-Zone Type Table LED CP2034 2 823 38 0 823 *UT 3 N/A CP2064 4 823 38 0 823 *UT 3 N/A CP2084 8 548 38 0 548 *UT 3 N/A CP3184 6 832 33 0 832 *UT 1 A CP3104 8 776 33 0 776 *UT 1 A CP3111 8 833 33 0 833 *UT 1 A(?) CP3204 16 683 38 0 683 *UT 2 B CP30064 4 762 39 0 762 *UT 2 B CP30084 8 526 39 0 526 *UT 2 B CP30104 8 762 39 0 762 *UT 2 B CP30084E 4 903 46 0 903 *UT 3 C CP30174E 8 903 46 0 903 *UT 3 C CP30204 16 683 38 0 683 *UT 3 C CP3304 16 659 63 0 659 *UT 3 D CP3364 16 702 63 0 702 *UT 3 D CP3504 16 987 63 0 987 *UT 3 D CP3554 16 1054 63 0 1054 *UT 3 B Table 1 Table 2 Jumper Settings Jumper Settings Single Drive = Jumper ACT and C/D Single Drive = Jumper C/D Master Drive = Jumper ACT, C/D and DSP Master Drive = Jumper C/D & DSP Slave Drive = No jumpers installed Slave Drive = No jumpers installed Table 3 All Conner 20 Mbyte drives use Jumper Settings Drive type 2. All Conner 40 Mbyte drives use Drive type 17. Single & Master Drive = Jumper C/D Slave Drive = No jumpers installed *UT = Universal translate. Select a drive type that is close to but does not exceed the megabyte capacity of the drive. The drive will translate to the megabyte capacity that you have selected. LED A: B: C: D: J-4 J-5 J-5 J-3 Pin 1 = + Pin 3 = + Pin 3 = - Pin 3 = + Pin 2 = - Pin 4 = - Pin 4 = - Pin 4 = - > When I installed a Conner CP3204F (203 MB) as master and a WD Caviar 2200 > (203 MB) as slave, both with and without the ""CP"" jumper, the Caviar had > seemingly normal behaviour. However, when doing writes to the Caviar, once > in a while it would overwrite directories etc. Using FASTBACK was almost > impossible. > > The workaround is to install the Caviar as the master, and the Conner > as the slave. *************************** F U J I T S U *************************** DETAILS OF FUJITSU DRIVES M261xT (Standard) M2614ET M2613ET M2612ET M2611T Heads (physical) 8 6 4 2 Cyl (physical) 1334 1334 1334 1334 Sec/trk 33 33 33 33 Speed (rpm) 3490 3490 3490 3490 Capacity 180MB 135MB 90MB 45MB +-----------------------------------------------+ | | +--+ | PSU | | CNH-2 | +--+ 1 | 1 | | . LED | | | CNH-1 9 CNH-3 Connector | | | 1 6..1 o o | 40-way | | . | | | IDE | | . | | | . | | | 12 | +--+ | +-----------------------------------------------+ Pin Function Position * 1- 2 Active mode 2- 3 Slave present mode 4- 5 Pin 27=IOCHRDY CNH-1 JUMPERS * 5- 6 Pin 27=RESERVED 7- 8 2 drive system * 8- 9 1 drive system 10-11 Pin 29=IRQ14 : Pin 31=RESERVED * 11-12 Pin 31=IRQ14 : Pin 29=RESERVED Pin Function Position 1- 2 SLAVE drive mode CNH-2 JUMPERS * 4- 5 MASTER drive mode 7- 8 ECC 4 bytes * 8- 9 ECC 7 bytes Pin Function Position 1- 2 Write protect enabled CNH-3 JUMPERS * 2- 3 Write protect disabled 4- 5 -6 Reserved Key: * (I guess!) marks factory default setting for jumper BIOS SETTINGS BIOS setting for the M2614ET in my system is 667 cylinders, 33 sectors and 16 heads. > I was trying to set my IDE drive in the subject above to a slave drive for > A Conner 170MB drive and contacting the support company gave me this answer (which works). The factory default on SW2 is On Off Off Off Off Off (1-6). This sets the drive to be a single drive. Setting SW2 to Off On On Off Off Off makes it a slave drive. SW1 has been set to On Off Off On (1-4) all along. MODEL CYLINDERS HEADS SECTORS CAPACITY (Million bytes) M2622T 1013 10 63 326.75 M2623T 1002 13 63 420.16 M2624T 995 16 63 513.51 There are 6 switches on the switch block on these drives. Only 4 of them have a use that I am aware of (from my M2624T manual): Master/Slave Master (*) SW1-5 OFF Slave SW1-5 ON ECC bytes 4 bytes (*) SW1-4 OFF 7 bytes SW1-4 ON Write Protect Disabled (*) SW1-3 OFF Enabled SW1-3 ON IO Channel Ready Disabled (*) SW1-1 OFF Enabled SW1-1 ON I have no idea about the function of SW1-2 and SW1-6. The values listed with a (*) are the factory default settings. *************************** K A L O K *************************** KALOK KL3100 105 MB BIOS: cyl 979 heads 6 sectors 35 KALOK KL3120 120 MB BIOS: Cyl 981 heads 6 sectors 40 The following jumper settings have been reported for KL3100 but are probably also valid for other Kalok drives. Single HD: o o o o o o o o o-o <-- same row as pin 1 of the IDE connector. Master (disk 1): o o o o o | o o o o o Slave: o o o o o | o o o o o These 5 pairs of pins are at the righthand side of the disk. *************************** M A X T O R *************************** Model Cyls Heads Sectors Precomp Landing Zone ---------- ----- ----- ------- ------- ------------ LXT-200A 816 15 32 0 816 LXT-213A 683 16 38 0 683 LXT-340A 654 16 63 0 654 LXT437A 842 16 63 0 842 LXT535A 1036 16 63 0 1024 Jumpers are as follows: The bottom of the drive looks like this (well, sort of): | o o 1-2 | | o o 3-4 | | o o 5-6 | | o o 7-8 | | o o 9-10 | | | +[POWER] [IDE CONNECTOR]-----+ Single drive Dual Drive System Pin numbers Jumper System Master Slave ----------- ------ ------------ ------ ----- 1-2 Slave Drive remove remove install 3-4 Activity LED optional optional optional 5-6 Slave Present remove remove optional 7-8 Master Drive remove install remove 9-10 Sync Spindle remove (n/a) optional* remove * only one drive (the master) in an array should have this jumper installed. Maxtor 7060A 16 467 17 62,0 J14 closed, J13 closed Maxtor 7060A 7 1024 17 59,5 J14 open, J13 open Maxtor 7060A 4 762 39 58,0 J14 closed, J13 open Maxtor 7060A 8 925 17 57,9 J14 open, J13 closed Maxtor 7120A 16 936 17 124,3 J14 closed, J13 closed Maxtor 7120A 14 1024 17 119,0 j14 open, J13 open Maxtor 7120A 8 762 39 116,0 J14 closed, J13 open Maxtor 7120A 15 900 17 112,0 J14 open, J13 closed Maxtor 7120A 8 824 33 106,2 J14 Jumpers for the above 2 drives: J11 I/O-channel ready ( open: disabled; close: enabled ) J13 see above J14 see above J15 operation-status ( open: normal; close: factory ) J J J J J 2 1 1 1 1 0 9 8 7 6 Power data-cable J16: Idle mode latch ( open: disabled; close: enabled ) J17: drive model ( open: 7060A; close 7120A ) J18: ECC Bytes ( open: 7 bytes; close: 4 bytes ) Master/Slave: drive is master and alone : J20 closed, J19 closed drive is master of two drives: J20 closed, J19 open drive is slave of two drives : J20 open , J19 closed Maxtor 7213A Default (power-up) AT BIOS Translation Parameters (others possible) Cyl Hds SpT MBytes 683 16 38 212 There are two sets of jumpers. A set of 5 and a set of 4. With the power and IDE connector toward you, the set of 5 is numbered (left to right) J16 - J20 , and the set of 4 is numbered (bottom to top) J22-J25. The only jumper of normal interest is J20. Jumper it for only drive in a single drive system, or master drive in a dual drive system. Remove the jumper J20 for slave drive in a dual drive system. J19 is a dummy and may be used to store the spare shunt if the drive is configured for a slave mode. Jumpers J17, J18, J24, J25 are factory reserved. Abnormal operation may occur if jumpered. Jumper 22 is sync spindle enabled/disabled (open=disabled) Jumper 23 is sync slave/master (open=slave) Jumper 16 is I/O Channel Ready (open=disabled) Maxtor 7245A (245Mb IDE; self-parking; Universal Translate): Drive type : User defineable Cyl Hds WPC LZ S/T 967 16 0 0 31 (WPC and LZ optional) Master(2): J20 closed Slave(2): J20 open (use J19 for shunt storage) Single: J20 closed ********************** M I C R O P O L I S **************************** Drive 2105A 2112A ---------------------------------------- Unformatted MB 647 1220 Formatted MB 560 1050 Platters 5 8 Heads 8 15 Cylinders 1760 1760 ---------------------------------------- Performance (both): Track to track (read) 1.5 msec Track to track (write) 2.5 msec Average 10 msec Max 25 msec Avg Rotational Latency 5.56 msec Rotational speed 5400 rpm (+/- 5%) Data Transfer Rate upto 5Mbytes/sec Internal data rate 24-40 Mbits/sec BIOS Settings: 2105A 1084 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors 2112A* master 1024 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors slave 1010 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors * the 2112A emulates both master and slave Jumpers (labelled J6 on the drive) ---- |oo| W1\ only these 2 are used |oo| W2/ |oo| |oo| |oo| ---- W2 W1 -- -- in in 2112A only - drive emulates both master + slave in out Drive is master, slave is present out in Drive is slave out out Drive is master, no slave present (ie single drive) ********************** M I C R O S C I E N C E **************************** MicroScience Model: 7100-00 Heads: 7 Cylinders: 855 S/T: 35 (?) Size: 105M Model # 8040-00. Size 40M 5hd/17sec/977cyl ********************** M I N I S C R I B E **************************** Miniscribe MODEL AT CAP CYC H RWC WPC ENC RATE ACCESS SPT COMMENTS 8225AT 3.5"" 21 745 2 - - 8 28 MS 28 8051AT 3.5"" 42 745 4 - - 8 28 MS 28 8450AT 3.5"" 42 745 4 - - 8 40 MS 28 Master(2): 5-6 Slave(2): 1-2 Single: 1-3 (shunt storage) *************************** N E C ********************************* NEC D3735, 40 MB BIOS: Cyl 537 Head 4 sect 41 NEC D3755, 105 MB BIOS: Cyl 625 Head 8 sect 41 NEC D3741, 44 MB BIOS: Cyl 423 Head 8 sect 26 WPcom 0 LZone 424 Jumper JP12 JP13 (for all above NEC drives) Single 0 0 Master 1 0 Slave 1 1 There have been reported difficulties in using WD Caviar as Master and NEC drives as slave - the other way it works. *************************** Q U A N T U M ************************* Logical Specs for Quantum AT Drives COMPLIMENTS OF COMPUTER BROKERS OF CANADA Model Cap Avg Acc Cylinders Heads Sectors/Track (MB) (ms) 40AT 42 19 965 5 17 80AT 84 19 965 10 17 120AT 120 15 814 9 32 170AT 168 15 968 10 34 210AT 209 15 873 13 36 425AT 426 14 1021 16 51 LPS 52AT 52 17 751 8 17 LPS 80AT 83 17 611 16 17 LPS 105AT 105 17 755 16 17 LPS 120AT 122 16 901 5 53 LPS 240AT 245 16 723 13 51 ================================================= Legend: 1=Jumper Installed 0=No Jumper ================================================= 40 & 80 AT Jumpers DS SS Meaning 1 0 Single drive configuration 1 1 Master of dual drive 0 0 Slave of dual drive 0 1 Self-Seek Test ======================================================= 120, 170, 210 & 425 AT Jumpers DS SP SS Meaning 0 0 0 Slave when the Master is Quantum PRODRIVE other than 40/80A 0 0 1 Slave in PRODRIVE 40/80A mode 0 1 0 Slave when Master is non Quantum Drive 0 1 1 Not Used 1 0 1 Master drive PDIAG mode checking DASP for slave 1 1 0 Master in PDIAG mode using SP to check if slave present 1 1 1 Master in 40/80A mode using SP to check if slave present 1 0 0 Single drive ======================================================= LPS 52, 80, 105, 120 & 240 AT Jumpers DS SP DM* Meaning 0 0 0 Slave in standard PDIAG mode for compatibility with drives that use PDIAG-line to handle Master/Slave communications 0 0 1 Slave in PRODRIVE 40/80A mode compat. without using PDIAG line 0 1 0 Self Test 0 1 1 Self Test 1 0 0 Master in PDIAG mode using DASP to check for Slave 1 0 1 Master in 40/80A Mode using DASP to check for Slave 1 1 0 Master in PDIAG mode using SP to check for Slave without checking DASP 1 1 1 Master in 40/80A mode using SP to check for Slave without checking DASP ====================================================================== * While my Spec form marked the jumper name DM, it is labeled as CS on my LPS 240AT drive. The QUANTUM ELS series: Model Cap Avg Acc Cylinders Heads Sectors/Track (MB) (ms) ELS42AT 42 - 968 5 17 ELS85AT 85 - 977 10 17 ELS127AT 127 - 919 16 17 ELS170AT 170 - 1011 15 22 Write precomp = 0 for all Quantum drives ( probably no significance) Landing Zone = Cylinders Straps: If an ELS drive is master only, use DS master with slave, DS or, DS and SP in some cases slave, no strap *************************** R O D I M E ********************************* Information for RO 3008A and RO 3009A series hard disk drives: Drive Types Model Cyls Hds Sectors/Trk No. blocks Formatted Cap. ------- ---- --- ----------- ---------- -------------- RO3058A 868 3 34 88,536 45.33 MByets RO3088A 868 5 34 147,560 75.55 MByets RO3095A 923 5 34 156,910 80.33 MByets RO3128A 868 7 34 206,584 105.77 MByets RO3135A 923 7 34 219,674 112.47 MByets RO3059A 217 15 28 91,158 46.67 MByets RO3089A 325 15 28 136,737 70.00 MByets RO3129A 492 15 28 206,645 105.80 MByets RO3139A 523 15 28 219,735 112.50 MByets RO3209A 759 15 28 319,053 163.35 MByets RO3259A 976 15 28 410,211 210.02 MByets Link Options In order to install the Rodime Ro 3000A series drives the dumpers for the single/dual drive and LED operation on the drive need to be set as described in the relevant product specification. I a single drive environment the drive is described as a Master. In a dual drive environment the drives are described as a Master and a Slave. This is due to the protocal the takes place between the two drives when performing diagnostics. There are four links, LK1, LK2, LK4 and LK5, adjacent to the 40 way interface connector. They have the following functions and are described in order as viewed from the end of the drive, with the first jumper described nearest the 40 way interface connector. LK2: LED When fitted, this jumper connects the LED drive to pin 39 of the interface. This allows a LED to be connected to the interface. An external current limiting resistor needs to be fitted in series with the LED when this option is selected. The value of the resistor will be dependant on the LED type chosen but will be in the range of 130 Ohms ot 220 Ohms. LK1: Dual Drives This jumper must be fitted when two drives are attached to a single bus. It fallows communication across the 40 way interface connector, indicating, to the Master drive, the presence of a Slave. LK4: Master When fitted this signifies that the drive jumpered is a Master. If there are two drives connected on a single bus then only one may be jumpered in this way. LK5: IOChRdy When fitted this connects the IOChRdy signal to the drive, it is fitted when the drive is used in host systems that have a higher data transfer rate than the drive i.e. greater than 4 MBytes per second when using 1:1 interleave. This jumper is not normally fitted as most hosts transfer at a lower rate than 4 MBytes per second. There are four possible Master/Slave configurations in which a drive(s) may be jumpered: Master, single drive with LED on interface LK2 & LK4 fitted. Master, single drive without LED on interface LK4 only fitted. Master, dual drive without LED on interface LK4 & LK1 fitted. Slave, dual drive without LED on interface No jumpers fitted. Master, dual drive with LED on interface LK4, LK1 & LK2 fitted. Slave, dual drive with LED on interface LK2 only fitted. The Master drive will delay power-up for approximately two seconds to reduce power surges in applications where dual drives are used. The other connections for a LED will be found close to the 28 way connector at the other end of the drive. This LED driver is not affected by the link options. An internal current limiting resistor is on the drive for this LED driver. Refer to the product specification for further details. *************************** S E A G A T E ************************* There is a list of most Seagate HD (including MFM, SCSI, ESDIand IDE) on every Simtel mirror under /msdos/dskutl/1seagate.zip It contains info about the following drives: st1144a st138a st274a st3283a st1057a st1156a st1400a st280a st351ax st1090a st1162a st1401a st3051a st9051a st1102a st1186a st1480a st3096a st9077a st1111a st1201a st157a st3120a st9096a st1126a st1239a st2274a st3144a st9144a st1133a st125a st2383a st325ax ********************* T E A C ************** Model: SD-3105 Cyls. Heads Sect/T PreCmp LZone Capacity ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ --------- Physical 1282 4 40 - - 105021440 BIOS (AMI) 641 8 40 0 0 105021440 (100.2M) (Award) 926 13 17 0 0 104778752 (99.9M) (Phoenix) 776 8 33 0 0 104890368 (100.0M) Connectors and Jumpers: +----+ 1 Jumper Function |....| +---+ +-------/ /---+ 2 0 0 ON: -ACT selected (ext.LED) | | |...| |::::::/ /::::| :::: OFF: -SLV PRESENT selected +----+ +---+ +-----/ /-----+ 3 1 1 ON: Two HDD's J2 J7 40 J1 ---- OFF: Single HDD Power (Power) Signal Jumpers 2 ON: Master (/Single) OFF: Slave (with 2 units used) 3 ON: -I/O CH RDY not output OFF: -I/O CH RDY is output Master Slave Settings: Jumper no.: 1 2 ----------------------- Single....: 0 1 1, ON = jumpered Master....: 1 1 0, OFF = not jumpered Slave.....: 1 0 ********************* W E S T E R N D I G I T A L ************** Caviar series: Name Size (Mb) Cylinders Heads Sectors ---------------------------------------------------- WDAC140 40.7 980 5 17 WDAC280 81.3 980 10 17 WDAC2120 119.0 1024 14 17 WDAC2170 162.7 1010 6 55 WDAC2200 202.8 989 12 35 WDAC2340 325.4 1010 12 55 Please note that these are the *recommended* CMOS parameters. All the disks support so-called dynamic translation, and should thus be able to work with any parameters having fewer sectors than the total number of sectors on the disk. Now, according to the manual, the jumper settings are as follows: Jumper CP MA SL ------------------------------------------------- Single 0 0 0 Master 0 1 0 Slave 0 0 1 Slave with Conner CP342 or CP3022 1 0 1 Maybe there are 2 kinds of Caviar's floating around: If your jumpers read MA SL and SI then use: Jumper SI MA SL Single 1 0 0 Master 0 1 0 Slave 0 0 1 There have been reported difficulties in using WD Caviar as Master and NEC drives as slave - the other way it works. > When I installed a Conner CP3204F (203 MB) as master and a WD Caviar 2200 > (203 MB) as slave, both with and without the ""CP"" jumper, the Caviar had > seemingly normal behaviour. However, when doing writes to the Caviar, once > in a while it would overwrite directories etc. Using FASTBACK was almost > impossible. > > The workaround is to install the Caviar as the master, and the Conner > as the slave. WD93044-A (40 MB) BIOS-Settings 977 cyln, 5 heads, 17 sect, LZone: 977 ( wenn sie sie braucht ) +-------+ +---+---+---+ 1: drive is master | cable | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2: drive is slave +-------+ +---+---+---+ 3: second drive is a conner-drive No jumper set: this is the only drive. ******************** Useful telephone numbers... ******************** Miniscribe: 303-651-6000 Maxtor: Info/tech support: 800-262-9867 FAX-back: 303-678-2618 BBS: 303-678-2222 They list their 800 number as 1(800)2-MAXTOR. Quantum: 408-894-4000 408-944-0410 (Support) 408-894-3218 (FAX) 408-894-3214 (BBS) Seagate: Info/tech support: 408-438-8222 FAX-back: 408-438-2620 BBS: 408-438-8771 ******************* last but not least ***************** If I could help you with my little collection and if you live in a part of the world far away from me, how about a postcard for my pinboard? I will surely answer! Carsten Grammes Experimental Physics B38 2OG Universitaet Saarbruecken W-6600 Saarbruecken Germany " 7870,13,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Mental Illness Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 13 [reply to dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)] >Are there any case histories of severe mental illness cases remarkably >recovering after a tragic accident or trauma (eg. through nobody's fault, >being trapped in a fire and losing your legs, say)? I know of a patient who was severely and chronically depressed and tried to kill himself with a bullet to the temple. He essentially gave himself a prefrontal lobotomy, curing the depression. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 7871,15,"From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland) Subject: Re: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 41 In article lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: >Hi everyone, > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know >that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet >hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, >do you still think that just believing is enough?' some deleted >Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) >as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James >in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' > >Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. Dear Will, I've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok. I had a few thoughts!: ""Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead"" - James 2:17 Faith is both belief and action. If I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a swimmer? and will people believe that I am? Likewise if I say I'm a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a Christian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to God proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him! In a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6 v3 says ""We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands"" I find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that 'if we have come to know Him, then we'll obey His commands' cos He lives within us and we cannot help but obey what He says. I tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing us into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically produced in our lives. Hope this helps. James Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk) " 7872,12,From: johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 30 -s87271077-s.walker-man-50- (swalker@uts.EDU.AU) wrote: : : : I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that : this board would be most appropriate. : I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that : are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders : that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the : actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called : 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? : I hope someone can help :----------------------- During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling tower where it is sprayed into the air. Contact with the cool outside air will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. Cooling towers are a lot taller than they really need to be. Power companies are forced to make them that tall by some enviromental law that requires the raw uranium emisions to be held to under 1%. This law is now under attack by lawyers arguing that the 1% should be measured at the edge of the property rather than the edge of the cooling tower. Eliminating this law will save power companies thousands of dollars in concrete costs for new nukes. John Eaton !hp-vcd!johne 7873,16,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Founding Father questions Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <1993Apr5.153951.25005@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) writes: >arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >>Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with >>a silver foot in his mouth? Sounds like another damn politician to me. >> >>Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore. The politicians may have been >>corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand. (My apologies to a few >>exceptions I can think of.) >> >>News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so >>her ""opposition"" out of her concern for image (she's even said this >>publicly) may not matter. > >Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? There is a (likely) veto proof majority in the house. The Senate, unfortunately, is a different story. The Lt.Gov. has vowed that the bill will not be voted on, and he has the power to do it. In addition, the Senate is a much smaller, and more readily manipulated body. On ther other hand, the semi-automatic ban will likely not live, as at least fifty per cent of the house currently opposes it, and it is VERY far down in the bill order in the Senate (I believe it will be addressed after the CCW bill). And I thought my TX Political Science class was a waste of time! -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |God gave us weather so we wouldn't complain pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |about other things. PADI DM-54909 | " 7874,11,"From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) Subject: Some thoughts on Clipper proposal Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA Lines: 25 I envision incorporation of new standart into various communication systems, thus making it prevalent on the market & therefore cheap. The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from communication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip to the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the form of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks will encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone. Natural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the government databases - or else this new version of ""wiretap proposal"" make no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular person, not on the particular modem or phone. As a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won't care about ability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now anyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens, making it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when interceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of state officials ? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7875,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes: >In article <1993Mar17.115603.28712@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy >Woodward) wrote: >> >> Two questions that fascinate me:- > You are easily fascinated. > >> 1) Why are rednecks called rednecks? > Why are you called a Welch? > OK, it's because they are often south or southeastern farmers > who's necks are permanently damaged from sunburn. The sun; > you know what that is, it never sets on the British Empire > and never shines in Wales. > This is a despicable LIE! It was sunny on 3rd July 1958 from 11.23am to 11 37am. I made a note of it. Diaries are never wrong. >> 2) Why do they ride Harleys? > They don't. They drive in pick-up trucks and shoot bikers. > >> Please enlighten me. When I visited last, the only answers I got >> were incoherent splutterings. > You deserve more? > >==================================================== >John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona > All standard disclaimers apply. Do you, by any chance ride a Harley? (just a feeling...) How is your neck? Calamine lotion is good, I'm told. I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish in a barrel. Haaaaaaaaaaave a Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Andy " 7876,3,"From: ebd@fang.att.com (Elliot B Dierksen) Subject: Help with DTK I/O Plus II card needed Reply-To: e.dierksen@att.com (Elliot Dierksen) Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL Lines: 36 I am trying to help a friend of mine get the second serial port on his DTK I/O Plus II card working and it does not want to cooperate. The documentation is no help at all. As an example, it says 'The serial port can be changed to COM2 from COM1 by moving jumpers.' but does not say what jumpers to move!! :-( There are 2 banks of jumpers. The first one is labeled as follows: C1 C2 S2 P2 P1 G The second bank is labeled ""IRQ"" and has the following labels: 5C 5S 4 3 3S 2C 2S I have determined that the C1 & C2 jumpers tell it to address the first serial port as COM1 or COM2. The P1,P2 jumpers tell it to use the printer port as LPT1 or LPT2. I am guessing that the ""G"" enables the game port and the ""S2"" SHOULD enable the second serial port, but I can't get it to work. I have tried numerous setting on the IRQ bank without success. I assume that this bank must tell the card which IRQ's to use for both ports, but I don;t know how. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!! EBD -- Elliot Dierksen ""Is that a real poncho... I mean is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho? Hmmm... no foolin'..."" -- F. Zappa W) e.dierksen@att.com (407) 660-3377 H) elliot@alfred.UUCP (407) 290-9744 " 7877,2,"From: leo@cae.wisc.edu (Leo Lim) Subject: DOS6 - doublespace + stacker 3.0, is it okay? Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr6.133257.14570 Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 7 Just as the title suggest, is it okay to do that? I havne't got DOS6 yet, but I heart DoubleSpace is less tight than stacker 3.0. What are disadvantage/advantages by doing that? Any comments will be appreciated. ===Martin " 7878,2,"From: herrod@CS.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Herrod) Subject: Dos window macros Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 6 Does anyone know a program that will record keyboard sequences that I do in a windowed dos box? I would like to have something that starts a telnet program and then logs me into my accounts. Windows Recorder doesn't seem to be able to record the key sequences. Thanks, STeve " 7879,11,"From: Rob Shirey Subject: ISOC Symposium on Net Security X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:27:54 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: shirey-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Virginia, USA X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 94 CALL FOR PAPERS The Internet Society Symposium on Network and Distributed System Security 3-4 February 1994, Catamaran Hotel, San Diego, California The symposium will bring together people who are building software and hardware to provide network or distributed system security services. The symposium is intended for those interested in practical aspects of network and distributed system security, rather than in theory. Symposium proceedings will be published by the Internet Society. Topics for the symposium include, but are not limited to, the following: * Design and implementation of services--access control, authentication, availability, confidentiality, integrity, and non-repudiation --including criteria for placing services at particular protocol layers. * Design and implementation of security mechanisms and support services--encipherment and key management systems, authorization and audit systems, and intrusion detection systems. * Requirements and architectures for distributed applications and network functions--message handling, file transport, remote file access, directories, time synchronization, interactive sessions, remote data base management and access, routing, voice and video multicast and conferencing, news groups, network management, boot services, mobile computing, and remote I/O. * Special issues and problems in security architecture, such as -- very large systems like the international Internet, and -- high-speed systems like the gigabit testbeds now being built. * Interplay between security goals and other goals--efficiency, reliability, interoperability, resource sharing, and low cost. GENERAL CHAIR: Dan Nessett, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory PROGRAM CHAIRS: Russ Housley, Xerox Special Information Systems Rob Shirey, The MITRE Corporation PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems Tom Berson, Anagram Laboratories Matt Bishop, Dartmouth College Ed Cain, U.S. Defense Information Systems Agency Jim Ellis, CERT Coordination Center Steve Kent, Bolt, Beranek and Newman John Linn, Independent Consultant Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute Michael Roe, Cambridge University Rob Rosenthal, U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology Jeff Schiller, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Ravi Sandhu, George Mason University Peter Yee, U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration SUBMISSIONS: The committee seeks both original technical papers and proposals for panel discussions on technical and other topics of general interest. Technical papers should be 10-20 pages in length. Panels should include three or four speakers. A panel proposal must name the panel chair, include a one-page topic introduction authored by the chair, and also include one-page position summaries authored by each speaker Both the technical papers and the panel papers will appear in the proceedings. Submissions must be made by 16 August 1993. Submissions should be made via electronic mail to 1994symposium@smiley.mitre.org. Submissions may be in either of two formats: ASCII or PostScript. If the committee is unable to read a PostScript submission, it will be returned and ASCII requested. Therefore, PostScript submissions should arrive well before 16 August. If electronic submission is absolutely impossible, submissions should be sent via postal mail to Robert W. Shirey, Mail Stop Z202 The MITRE Corporation McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA All submissions must include both an Internet electronic mail address and a postal address. Each submission will be acknowledged through the medium by which it is received. If acknowledgment is not received within seven days, please contact either Rob Shirey or Russ Housley , or telephone Mana Weigand at MITRE in Mclean, 703-883-5397. Authors and panelists will be notified of acceptance by 15 October 1993. Instructions for preparing camera-ready copy for the proceedings will be postal mailed at that time. The camera-ready copy must be received by 15 November 1993. " 7880,3,"From: begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (James Begole) Subject: 16MB ISA limit? Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 13 I was just reading in PC Magazine that the peripherals in a PC with an ISA bus can only access 16MB of memory. Also, that some video cards on the ISA bus look for a memory aperture to map their memory to. So that if I wanted to put 16MB of memory on my PC, my video card wouldn't have anywhere to map it's memory to. Can someone explain this in more detail. Is there a way around this limit. If you email me a response, I will summarize. -Bo begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu -- --James ""Bo"" Begole begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu " 7881,17,"From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN Lines: 47 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes... >In article <22APR199307534304@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country, >>> rather than the third world] >>> [Ken says intervention in Somalia is a counter-example] >>I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military >>intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed >>to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was >>not nearly as risky. > >Based on the same reasons? You mean you were opposed to US intervention in >Somalia because since Somalia is a European country instead of the third world, >the desire to help Somalia is racist? I don't think this ""same reason"" applies >to Somalia at all. No, you have completely misunderstood. I was opposed to intervention in Somalia for the same reason I am opposed to intervention in Bosnia - there is no security interest of the United States there which justifies risking the lives of American servicemen, and there are too many crises in the world for us to take on all of them. In the case of Bosnia, the risks are obviously much greater, and there are other countries in a much better position and with far better reasons to take action than the US. >The whole point is that Somalia _is_ a third world country, and we were more >willing to send troops there than to Bosnia--exactly the _opposite_ of what >the ""fixation on European countries"" theory would predict. (Similarly, the >desire to help Muslims being fought by Christians is also exactly the opposite >of what that theory predicts.) You continue to misunderstand. I did not say the reason why people want to intervene is because of racist (<- you seem to be overly fond of using this word, btw. I said the phenomenon was race-related, which is not the same as racist. Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for you to grasp) motives - I said the attention and outrage at the entire Yugoslavian situation was a result of it being 1) closer to home, 2) happening to people we can identify with, and 3) relentlessly harped on by the media. I never said anything about which side would be preferred, which has a lot more to do with the presentation of the conflict than any psychological factors. I think there is no doubt that despite the fact we intervened in Somalia, the level of attention devoted to there was considerably less than what is devoted to Bosnia, if the newspapers and tv news I see are any guide. Dave " 7882,11,"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 14 If ""I forgot"" doesn't have as much credibility as you'd like, consider this alternative. Somewhere on the hard disk, duplicated a few times, keep a 128-bit random number. When the 128-bit digest of your passphrase is computed, it is XORred with the random number before being used as the key for your hard disk. Writing random junk over the random numbers makes the hard disk unreadable by anyone. Now, if you were merely to *claim* that you have written random junk over the XOR key, no-one would be able to tell whether or not you were telling the truth. This is (a) perjury, and (b) vunerable to rubber-hose cryptography, but otherwise effective. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! " 7883,9,"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) Subject: Re: Marlins first 3 RBI Article-I.D.: pollux.1psiepINNlj0 Distribution: world Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu In article <1psgriINNi1@rpco10.acslab.umbc.edu>, cs106116@umbc.edu (cs106116) writes: |> |> Hey, |> |> I was watching the Orioles' game on TV yesterday (Monday) |> when a report came in to the booth that the first 3 runs came |> in on a three-run single. Did this really happen? If it did, |> how? They said that the leadoff man knocked them in. What |> exactly happened. Thanks. |> Walt Weiss tripled just barely inside the right field line and into the corner, driving in Santiago and Conine. These were the first two RBIs. The third came later when Weiss was knocked in. Daniel " 7884,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 30 Robert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote: : > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases : > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the : > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same : > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component' : > falls prey to Ockham's Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > such component. More detail in the next post. : > Occam's Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an argument, even so, it interesting how often it's cited here and to what end. It seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being primitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and childish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam's razor), the scientific explanation of things being much more straightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which is the ""non-essential"", and how do you know? Considering that even scientists don't fully comprehend science due to its complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a lobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ... This is all very confusing, I'm sure one of you will straighten me out tough. Bill " 7885,1,"From: dkennett@fraser.sfu.ca (Daniel Kennett) Subject: [POV] Having trouble bump mapping a gif to a sphere Summary: Having trouble bump mapping a gif to a spher in POVray Keywords: bump map Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 44 Hello, I've been trying to bump map a gif onto a sphere for a while and I can't seem to get it to work. Image mapping works, but not bump mapping. Here's a simple file I was working with, could some kind soul tell me whats wrong with this..... #include ""colors.inc"" #include ""shapes.inc"" #include ""textures.inc"" camera { location <0 1 -3> direction <0 0 1.5> up <0 1 0> right <1.33 0 0> look_at <0 1 2> } object { light_source { <2 4 -3> color White } } object { sphere { <0 1 2> 1 } texture { bump_map { 1 <0 1 2> gif ""surf.gif""} } } NOTE: surf.gif is a plasma fractal from Fractint that is using the landscape palette map. Thanks in advance -Daniel- *======================================================================* | Daniel Kennett | | dkennett@sfu.ca | | ""Our minds are finite, and yet even in those circumstances of | | finitude, we are surrounded by possibilities that are infinite, and | | the purpose of human life is to grasp as much as we can out of that | | infinitude."" - Alfred North Whitehead | *======================================================================* " 7886,17,"From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) Subject: Remember those names come election time. Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Nntp-Posting-Host: davinci.ece.concordia.ca Organization: ECE - Concordia University Lines: 77 In article clarinews@clarinet.com (SID BALMAN Jr.) writes: WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Secretary of State Warren Christopher said Tuesday there are better ideas to stop the human slaughter in the Balkans than ordering American fighters to bomb the Serbs, but a frustrated senator told him to do just that. ``We've not done a damn thing,'' Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., told Christopher at a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. ``Preventive diplomacy is not in your capability right now in Bosnia- Herzegovina. Biden chastised the administration and its Republican predecessor for what he characterized as a limp response to the Serbian policy of ``ethnic cleansing'' of Muslims, including rape and shelling of civilians. ``The time has come for us and the world to stop bemoaning the fact that all the options are bad ones,'' Biden said. ``They are all bad ones and we ought to pick a couple.'' Biden also endorsed lifting an international arms embargo against the former Yugoslavia so the Muslim-dominated Bosnian government might have a chance to at least defend itself against the Serbs. Christopher said this could give an opening role in the conflict to **************************************************** the radical Islamic government of Iran. *************************************** O, I C! Biden endorsed bombing Serbian heavy weapons around the besieged eastern town of Srebrenica. ``There's not a military person...who will not tell you that they could today, if you gave them the order, take out the heavy weaponry around Srebrenica,'' Biden said. ``If you did nothing else, nothing else but that, you would have saved hundreds of women and children who are being absolutely massacred right now.'' Military action ``is the only thing that's going to change the equation,'' Biden said. .................................... Despite the frustrations and pressure, Christopher had no enthusiasm for American combat aircraft to strike Serb positions in Bosnia- Herzegovina. .................... > ``Clearly we are at a turning point in the Bosnia situation,'' >Christopher said. ``Air strikes are among those steps that are so >complex because they tend to interfere with the humanitarian endeavours. >I think there may be better options.'' Humanitarian as in feeding them and let them get raped and killed. >political conflict. Clinton vowed during the presidential campaign to *******(then) >lift the arms embargo and to strike at Serbian heavy weapons with U.S. >combat aircraft. > Christopher said airstrikes would likely ``increase the level of *******************(Now) >fighting and cause our allies to draw back'' or even ``pull out the >humanitarian effort.'' > Great Britain and France have balked at foreign military intervention >in Bosnia-Herzegovina for fear that their peacekeeping troops on the >ground may suffer Serbian retribution. Why don't they get the hell out of there, they ared doing nothing to protect the victims anyway.. Maybe becasue they have a different agenda. > Sen. Nancy Kassebaum, R-Kan., seemed to agree with Christopher's ************************* >assessment and stressed the need not to build up Bosnian expectations >for heavy U.S. military intervention. > ``It's very important that expectations aren't raised high on the >part of the beleagured Bosnians,'' she said. > Air strikes might have made a difference eight months ago, she said, >but the strategic significance of that step now is questionable. Like >Christopher, Kassebaum said it might jeopardize the humanitarian relief >effort. Now that they made sure the Bosnian (who were the only real subject of the embargo last year, as everybody knows that the Serbs had an unlimited supply of arms) wre massacred without having a chance to defend themselves, Now this evil coldhearted snake is saying ""it is too late to save them, so let them die. " 7887,18,"From: william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: Dept of TAM Cornell Univ. Ithaca, NY Lines: 19 Reply-To: william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: fractl.tn.cornell.edu In article <1993Apr15.215747.17331@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes: >The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the >draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, >and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior >with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us >on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and >Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. >Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. >Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. > > > - Dave Borden > borden@m5.harvard.edu You selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice somthing for your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? To bad. What is immoral is: people like you and the current president who don't have any idea why this country still exists after 200+ years. " 7888,3,"From: pdh@netcom.com (P D H) Subject: Re: where to find comm ports with IRQs other than 3 and 4. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 23 hamilton@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Wayne Hamilton) writes: >a friend of mine recently got such a serial card. i'll have to >ask him to verify the details, but as i recall, he paid ~$50, it's >made by STB, it has 2 (or was it 4?) ports, and it supports the AT >IRQs (8-15) in addition to the convention ones. i'm sure of the >last, because he had trouble finding comm software that would allow >him to override the ""standard"" IRQ assignments. Unfortunately there a *LOT* of such software. I also find it to be the case that the majority of the software that is BAD in this regard is COMMERCIAL software. Way too many commercial packages are very poorly written. But then most of the programs in MS-DOS are crap, such as the PRINT command TSR that locks up your system for long periods of time when the printer is full instead of trying every clock tick. Back to comm software... I find success with TELIX (my COM3 at 3e8/5 works ok on TELIX). -- | Phil Howard, pdh@netcom.com, KA9WGN Spell protection? ""1(911)A1"" | | Right wing conservative capitalists are out to separate you from your MONEY | | Left wing liberal do gooders are out to separate you from EVERYTHING ELSE!! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 7889,18,"From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 15 tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: >>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the >>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights. >I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been >convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite >sufficient. So, you sat in the court room and listened to the case. After careful consideration, you have come to your conclusion. Well, good for you. " 7890,13,"From: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk (Nigel Ballard) Subject: Re: Sarchoidosis Distribution: world Organization: Infamy Inc. Reply-To: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 34 >> Hello, >>Does anybody know if sarchoidosis is a mortem desease ? >>(i.e if someone who tooke this desease can be kill >>bye this one ?) > >People have died from sarcoid, but usually it is not >fatal and is treatable. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi there I'm suffering from Sarcoidosis at present. Although it's shown as a chronic & rare tissue disorder, it is thankfully NOT life threatening. The very worsed thing that can happen to a non-treated sufferer is glaucoma. My specialists are bombarding me with Prednisolone E.C. (a cortico-steriod) and after four months at 20mg a day, it's totally done away with my enlarged lymph glands, so somethings happening for the good! Cheers Nigel ************************************************************************ * NIGEL BALLARD | INT: nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk | MEXICAN FOOD * * BOURNEMOUTH | CIS: 100015.2644 RADIO-G1HOI | GUINNESS ON TAP * * UNITED KINGDOM | AMAZING! and all down two wires | TALL SKINNY WOMEN * ************************************************************************ Two penguins are walking along an iceberg. The first penguin turns to the second penguin and says ""it looks like you are wearing a tuxedo."" The second penguin turns to the first penguin and says, ""maybe I am."" ************************************************************************ " 7891,13,"From: jer@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (rathmann,janice e) Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: Headaches and analgesics Lines: 95 I noticed several years ago that when I took analgesics fairly regularly, (motrin at the time), I seemed to get a lot of migraines. But had forgotten about that until I started reading some of the posts here. I generally don't take NSAIDS or Tylenol for headaches, because I've found them to be ineffective. However, I have two other pain sources that force me to take NSAIDS (currently Naprosyn). First, is some pelvic pain that I get at the beginning of my period, and then much worse at midcycle. I have had surgery for endometriosis in the past (~12 years ago), so the Drs. tell me that my pain is probably due to the endometriosis coming back. I've tried Synarel, it reduced the pain while I took it (3 mos), but the pain returned immediately after I stopped. Three doctors have suggested hysterectomy as the only ""real solution"" to my problem. Although I don't expect to have any more children, I don't like the idea of having my uterus and one remaining ovary removed (the first ovary was removed when I had the surgery for endometriosis). One of the Drs that suggested I get a hysterectomy is an expert in laser surgery, but perhaps thinks that type of procedure is only worthwhile on women who still plan to have children. So basically all I'm left with is toughing out the pain. This would be impossible without Naprosyn (or something similar - but not aspirin, that doesn't work, and Motrin gave me horrible gastritis a few years ago, so I'm through with it). In fact, Naprosyn works very well at eliminating the pain if I take it regularly as I did when I had severe back pain (and pain in both legs) as I'll discuss in a moment. Generally though, I wait until I have the pain before I take the Naprosyn, but then it takes several hours for it reduce the pain (it's actually quite effective at reducing the pain, it just takes quite a while). In the meantime I'm frequently in severe pain. The other pain source I have is chronic lower back pain resulting in bilateral radiculopathy. I've had MRIs, Xrays, CT scan, and EMGs (I've had 2 of them, and don't intend to ever do that again) with nerve conduction tests. The tests have not been conclusive as to what is causing my back and leg pain. The MRI reports both say I have several bulging, degeneratig disks, and from the Xrays (and MRI, I think) it is apparent that I have arthritis. The reading on the CT scan was that there are two herniations (L3-L4, and L4-L5), but others hav looked at the films and concluded that there are no herniations. The second EMG and nerve conduction studies shows significant denervation compared to the first EMG. Oh yeah, I had some other horrible test, called something like Somatic Evoked Response which showed that the ""internal nerves"" are working fine. Anyway, the bottom line is that I sometimes have severe pain in both legs and back pain. The back pain is there all the time, but I can live with it. When the leg pain is there, I need some analgesic/anti-inflammatory medication to reduce the pain to a level where I can work. So I took Naprosyn regulary for 6-9 months (every time I tried to stop the leg pain got worse, so I'd always resume). Since last November I have taken it much less frequently, and primarily for the pelvic pain. I have been going to physical therapy for the last 8 months (2-3 times a week). After the first month or so, my therapist put me on pelvic traction (she had tried it earlier, but it had caused a lot of pain in my back, this time she tried it at a lower weight). After a month or two, the pain in my legs began going away (but the traction aways caused discomfort in my lower back, which could be reduced with ultrasound and massage). So now, I don't have nearly as much pain in my legs, in fact my therapist took me off traction about 2 weeks ago. Getting back to my original reason for this post... Even if I can avoid taking analgesic for headaches, I really can't avoid them entirely because I have other pain sources, that ""force"" me to use them (Oh, I forgot to mention that it has been suggested to me that I have back surgery, but I'm avoiding that too). I find the migraines difficult to deal with, occassionally I have to take off work, but usually I can work, but at a reduced capacity (I'm a systems engineer and do a lot of reading and writing). When the pelvic pain is bad, I can't concentrate much, I usually end up jumping out of my chair every few minutes, because the pain is so bothersome. When the pain in my back is bad, it can cause severe burning in both legs, shooting pains in my legs, electric shock type of pain in my feet and toes, and basically when it gets bad I can't really sit at all. Then I end up spending most of my time home and in bed. So even if the analgesics contribute to the migraines, the migraines are more tolerable than the other pain sources. I get a lot of migraines, an average of 3 to 4 a month, which last 1-3 days. I've taken cafergot (the first time the caffiene really got to me so I reduced the dosage), but I don't like the side effects (if I take more than two I get diahrea). If I get a very bad headache, I will eventually take the cafergot. My neurologist wasn't very helpful when I told him my problems with cafergot, he said that when sumatriptan becomes available, I should try that. I've tried several other medications (fiornal, midrin, fiornal with codeine, tegretol, and inderal) but they either didn't work, or I couldn't tolerate them. So what can I do? My doctor's seem to be satisfied with me just trying to tolerate the pain, which I agree with most of the time, but not when I have a lot of pain. I've had some bad experiences with surgery (my heart stopped once from the anesthesia - I was told that it was likely the succinylcholine), and I've already had surgery several times. Anyway, the point of what I'm saying is that even if analgesics can contribute to migraines, some people NEED to take them to tolerate other pain. Janice Rathmann " 7892,3,"From: jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil) Subject: Re: Sun CD-ROM on PCs??? Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany Lines: 15 <1993Apr14.195220.21701@nb.rockwell.com> <1993Apr15.040231.17561@c3p0.novell.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: leo.tools.de In-reply-to: pbartok@c3p0.novell.de's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:02:31 GMT In article <1993Apr15.040231.17561@c3p0.novell.de> pbartok@c3p0.novell.de (Peter D. Bartok) writes: >> Great! But don't let your effort and talent be un-noticed. >> Put the program on the net, upload it to some anonymous ftp >> sites. So people (at least me) can have it and appreciate it. > > Please put it into ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/incoming/pc OK, the small programme that can be used to switch a SunCD drive into 2048 bytes/block mode for use with MSDOS/Adaptec/APSI it now available by 'ftp' from ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/pc/adaptec/cdblksize.zip -- Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk " 7893,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: request for information on ""essential tremor"" and Indrol? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 12 In article <1q1tbnINNnfn@life.ai.mit.edu> sundar@ai.mit.edu writes: Essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse when the patient tries to use the effected member. All limbs, vocal cords, and head can be involved. Inderal is a beta-blocker and is usually effective in diminishing the tremor. Alcohol and mysoline are also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7894,14,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 37 shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >On 4 Apr 1993 20:31:10 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said: >Pat> In article <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu> >Pat> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >>Question is can someone give me 10 examples of direct NASA/Space related >>research that helped humanity in general? It will be interesting to see.. >Pat> TANG :-) Mylar I think. I think they also pushed Hi Tech >Pat> Composites for airframes. Look at Fly by Wire. >Swept wings--if you fly in airliners you've reaped the benefits. Didn't one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think the germans did some work on these in WWII. >Winglets. Area ruling. Digital fly by wire. Ride smoothing. A lot of this was also done by the military... >Microwave landing systems. Supercritical wings. General aviation >air foils. Weren't the first microwave landing systems from WWII too? >-- >Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA >shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA > ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot Egad! I'm disagreeing with Mary Shafer! -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 7895,1,"From: ger@cv.ruu.nl (Ger Timmens) Subject: Re: Postscript drawing prog Nntp-Posting-Host: triton.cv.ruu.nl Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group Lines: 30 In <0010580B.vma7o9@diablo.UUCP> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.171704.2147@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> (comp.graphics.gnuplot,comp.graphics), rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube) writes: >>In article , nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes: >>|> Could somebody let me know of a drawing utility that can be >>|> used to manipulate postscript files.I am specifically interested in >>|> drawing lines, boxes and the sort on Postscript contour plots. >>|> I have tried xfig and I am impressed by it's features. However >>|> it is of no use since I cannot use postscript files as input for the >>|> programme.Is there a utility that converts postscript to xfig format? >>|> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>|> Nishantha >Have you checked out Adobe Illustrator? There are a few Unix versions >for it available, depending on your platform. I know of two Unix versions: >One for Mach (NeXT) and for Irix (SGI). There may be others, such >as for Sun SparcStation, but I don't know for sure. You can include postscript epsi files in xfig (encapsulated postscript info files). You can't actually edit the postscript file, but you're able to draw over the postscript file. There a eps to epsi converter: eps2epsi (perl program), Succes, -- Ger Timmens (ger@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Research Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands Tel.: +31 -30 50 67 11; Room: F.01.7.03; Fax.: +31 -30 51 33 99 Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages. --- H. L. Mencken " 7896,4,"From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) Subject: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ? Summary: How many 512k VRAM simms do I need to add to the Quadra 800? Keywords: VRAM Quadra 800 Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 12 I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS do I need to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take out the current VRAM before I add more? Thanks, Wesley Stuart Jones -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %% Wesley Stuart Jones jonesw@res.wes.mot.com %% %% wstuartj@ecn.purdue.edu %% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% " 7897,11,"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Lines: 35 Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business or professional body in a position to establish a standard and provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission systems. RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones. Large companies in the voice/data comm business are out, because they all have contracts with the gov which would be used to pressure them. If we, as professionals in crypto organizations, EFF, etc. were to put our collective minds and interests toward establishing a crypto standard for transmission, and getting our companies to implement it, we might avoid government control. Otherwise, I think it will happen to us by default. Gov isn't probably strong enough or foolish enough to prevent strong crypt. They are strong enough, and we may be foolish enough, to push through the Clipper Chip. Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one, would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones. If not this, we should provide an algorithm which can be implemented in either SW or HW and publish it, then push to make it the defacto standard in the way that PGP and RIPEM are becoming such. We are opposing, charging the bunker. We should be nimble and clever. The gov is strong, not clever. Lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). " 7898,3,"From: cunning@mksol.dseg.ti.com (patrick w cunningham) Subject: AMD CPU Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 4 Any comments of AMD microprocessors? good?, bad? thanks, pat " 7899,15,"From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of South Africa Lines: 36 In article phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes: >But what if the geologists are wrong and these people are warning of a >non-existent danger? Analogies can only push an argument so far (on both >sides). Both Melinda's and yours assume the premises used to set up your >respective analogies are true and thus the correct conclusion will arise. > >The important point to note is the different directions both sides come from. >Christians believe they know the TRUTH and thus believe they have the right >(and duty) to tell the TRUTH to all. > >Christians can get offended if others do not believe (what is self-evidently >to them) the TRUTH. Non-christians do not believe this is the TRUTH and get >offended at them because they (christians) claim to know the TRUTH. The analogy does not depend on the premisses being true, because the question under discussion is not truth but arrogance. A similar analogy might be a medical doctor who believes that a blood transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child whose parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and so have conscientious objections to blood transfusion. The doctor's efforts to persuade them to agree to a blood transfusion could be perceived to be arrogant in precisely the same way as Christians could be perceived to be arrogant. The truth or otherwise of the belief that a blood transfusion is necessary to save the life of the child is irrelevant here. What matters is that the doctor BELIEVES it to be true, and could be seen to be trying to foce his beliefs on the parents, and this could well be perceived as arrogance. ============================================================ Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za Fidonet: 5:7101/20 steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org FAQ: Missiology is the study of Christian mission and is part of the Faculty of Theology at Unisa " 7900,17,"From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES (Henrik) Lines: 95 Nntp-Posting-Host: viktoria.dsv.su.se Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Organization: Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University |>The student of ""regional killings"" alias Davidian (not the Davidian religios sect) writes: |>Greater Armenia would stretch from Karabakh, to the Black Sea, to the |>Mediterranean, so if you use the term ""Greater Armenia"" use it with care. Finally you said what you dream about. Mediterranean???? That was new.... The area will be ""greater"" after some years, like your ""holocaust"" numbers...... |>It has always been up to the Azeris to end their announced winning of Karabakh |>by removing the Armenians! When the president of Azerbaijan, Elchibey, came to |>power last year, he announced he would be be ""swimming in Lake Sevan [in |>Armeniaxn] by July"". ***** Is't July in USA now????? Here in Sweden it's April and still cold. Or have you changed your calendar??? |>Well, he was wrong! If Elchibey is going to shell the |>Armenians of Karabakh from Aghdam, his people will pay the price! If Elchibey **************** |>is going to shell Karabakh from Fizuli his people will pay the price! If ****************** |>Elchibey thinks he can get away with bombing Armenia from the hills of |>Kelbajar, his people will pay the price. *************** NOTHING OF THE MENTIONED IS TRUE, BUT LET SAY IT's TRUE. SHALL THE AZERI WOMEN AND CHILDREN GOING TO PAY THE PRICE WITH ************** BEING RAPED, KILLED AND TORTURED BY THE ARMENIANS?????????? HAVE YOU HEARDED SOMETHING CALLED: ""GENEVA CONVENTION""??????? YOU FACIST!!!!! Ohhh i forgot, this is how Armenians fight, nobody has forgot you killings, rapings and torture against the Kurds and Turks once upon a time! |>And anyway, this ""60 |>Kurd refugee"" story, as have other stories, are simple fabrications sourced in |>Baku, modified in Ankara. Other examples of this are Armenia has no border |>with Iran, and the ridiculous story of the ""intercepting"" of Armenian military |>conversations as appeared in the New York Times supposedly translated by |>somebody unknown, from Armenian into Azeri Turkish, submitted by an unnamed |>""special correspondent"" to the NY Times from Baku. Real accurate! Ohhhh so swedish RedCross workers do lie they too? What ever you say ""regional killer"", if you don't like the person then shoot him that's your policy.....l |>[HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about.<------- |>[HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? i i |>Well, big mouth Ozal said military weapons are being provided to Azerbaijan i |>from Turkey, yet Demirel and others say no. No wonder you are so confused! i i i Confused????? i You facist when you delete text don't change it, i wrote: i i Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. i Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons <-----------i to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons since it's content is announced to be weapons? If there is one that's confused then that's you! We have the right (and we do) to give weapons to the Azeris, since Armenians started the fight in Azerbadjan! |>You are correct, all Turkish planes should be simply shot down! Nice, slow |>moving air transports! Shoot down with what? Armenian bread and butter? Or the arms and personel of the Russian army? Hilmi Eren Stockholm University " 7901,14,"From: apryan@vax1.tcd.ie Subject: Order MOORE's book to restore Great Telescope Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: vax1.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College Dublin Lines: 41 Several people have enquired about the availability of the book about the Great 72"" reflector built at Birr Castle, Ireland in 1845 which remained the largest in the world until the the start of the 20th century. ""The Astronomy of Birr Castle"" was written by Patrick Moore who now sits on the committee which is going to restore the telescope. (The remains are on public display all year round - the massive support walls, the 60 foot long tube, and other bits and pieces). This book is the definitivie history of how one man, the Third Earl of Rosse, pulled off the most impressive technical achievement, perhaps ever, in the history of the telescope, and the discoveries made with the instrument. Patrick Moore is donating all proceeds from the book's sale to help restore the telescope. Astronomy Ireland is making the book available world wide by mail order. It's a fascinating read and by ordering a copy you bring the day when we can all look through it once again that little bit nearer. =====ORDERING INFORMATION===== ""The Astronomy of Birr Castle"" Dr. Patrick Moore, xii, 90pp, 208mm x 145mm. Price: U.S.: US$4.95 + US$2.95 post & packing (add $3.50 airmail) U.K. (pounds sterling): 3.50 + 1.50 post & packing EUROPE (pounds sterling): 3.50 + 2.00 post and packing REST OF WORLD: as per U.S. but funds payable in US$ only. PAYMENT: Make all payments to ""Astronomy Ireland"". CREDIT CARD: MASTERCARD/VISA/EUROCARD/ACCESS accepted by email or snail mail: give card number, name & address, expiration date, and total amount. Payments otherwise must be by money order or bank draft. Send to our permanent address: P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. You can also subscribe to ""Astronomy & Space"" at the same time. See below: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address). (WORLD'S LARGEST ASTRO. SOC. per capita - unless you know better? 0.033%) Tel: 0891-88-1950 (UK/N.Ireland) 1550-111-442 (Eire). Cost up to 48p per min " 7902,17,"From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 26 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: > >What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat >to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation' >been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, >specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My >brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and >make Israeli policy for them! > ... deleted I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons: 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or dictators. 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. " 7903,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce >May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. >Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? A good summary has been posted (thanks), but I wanted to add another comment. I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. Anyone else know anything on this angle? Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 7904,12,"From: wayne@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (Tony Wayne) Subject: speaker impedance help needed Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville) Lines: 7 I want to connect a very small ""home-made"" speaker up to the headphone jack on my macintosh LC for an experiment. The dc resistance of the speaker is 1 ohm. Any ideas how I can do this safely? I think I need some kind of an impedance transformer or something.? -tony wayne@uva386.school.virginia.edu " 7905,13,"Subject: prozac From: agilmet@eis.calstate.edu (Adriana Gilmete) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 3 Can anyone help me find any information on the drug Prozac? I am writing a report on the inventors , Eli Lilly and Co., and the product. I need as much help as I can get. Thanks a lot, Adriana Gilmete. " 7906,4,"From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) Subject: HP LaserJet III, printing(non-Appletalk) with Duo Lines: 25 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA How does one print to a non-appletalk printer using DMM LaserWriter Stuff. I'm using the Serial driverand does nothig. I'vetried saving a postscriptfile and then tried sending with SendPS2.0 and it says can'topen LaserWriter Driver, then some appletalk messagethatprinter not specified. I'm using and imagewritwrite one cable. Should I use a null-modem adapter? Help... ---Lowell -- *********************************************************************** * Lowell Reiter ""I need a Vacation... Now!!! "" * * Tufts University * * Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * *********************************************************************** " 7907,6,"From: kedz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (John Kedziora) Subject: Motorcycle wanted. Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 11 Expires: 5/1/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu Followup-To:kedz@wpi.wpi.edu Distribution: ne Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Keywords: I am looking for an inexpensive motorcycle, nothing fancy, have to be able to do all maintinence my self. looking in the <$400 range. if you can help me out, GREAT!, please reply by e-mail. " 7908,17,"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit) Subject: Re: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Lie Through Their Teeth! In-Reply-To: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20: 45:12 GMT Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project Lines: 15 Davidian-babble: >The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra- >nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its >revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the >world. Turkish government on usenet? How long are you going to keep repeating this utterly idiotic [and increasingly saddening] drivel? oz --- life of a people is a sea, and those that look at it from the shore cannot know its depths. -Armenian proverb " 7909,6,"From: re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Subject: Misc. radio and related equipment Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 112 Lots of misc and radio related items for sale! Still trying to lighten my load for moving! Motorola VHF pager, digital, no voice or readout $15 2 Capacitor checkers HP 200CD audio oscillator 5 hz to 600 Khz. 1200 feet + brand new 1/2"" hardline for tv with new connectors, this is in 5 pieces lots of Gain mobile antennas for VHF and UHF UHF *amp*, input on 75 Mhz in milliwatts and output on 450 Mhz, 30 watts out. with service manual, this came out of a Motorola mobilephone. make reasonable offer. looking for $40 + shipping or trade for? RCA tac 300 UHF dash mount 2channel w/service manual, great condition, currently on GMRS frequency 462.725 repeater and simplex with PL of 151.4 hz $100 Nobratron QR 75-2 power supply by Sorensen, w/service manual, this is a 2 amp variable power supply, I have used it at 80 vdc. weight is 45lbs $45. Motorola tone remote model #1926A, works great, with monitor button, $75 This unit is used to remote a base station with only two wires. Also have tone remote board from Mitrek Super consolette, make offer, could be used with above remote! model #TRN-6744A w/schmetics Both for $100. Motorola Handhelds, MH-10 (4) w/charger, speaker mic, leather case, currently on 34.830, w/dpl DPL decks from Motorola moxy radios very reasonable esp. if you take all, anyone offer $10 each for all or trade for? PL reeds, I have some (30 or so I think) also dpl code plugs e-mail if you need some or I will sell all cheep. Transmit tubes for GE radios, new in box. 5 DB gain UHF mobile antennas by motorola, used, sold new for $90, make reasonable offer. sell 3 for $45 + shipping Motorcycle control head and cable with frequency selector and speaker all in one, 4 channel, I believe this came from a Micom. Asking $20 + shipping channel elements for motorola micor, mitrek, motrac 3 sets of vhf micor, uhf micor, low band motrac, more Mobile microphones for GE, Motorola, and RCA reasonable offer. Motorola DC remote adaptor model #TLN-1127apr $75 I still have a few business band service manuals esp. GE and Motorola, e-mail for details. Phone restrict toll boxes (2) use quarters DTMF mobile mic GE Master Pro UHF mobile, not working, with accessories, this is a trunk mount radio. $20 + shipping 6' GE base cabinet w/19"" rack Duplexer cabinet from vhf duplexers 19"" rack base cabinet, Johnson HD satellite dish jack or arm 2 Spools multi-conductor wire, w/shield, thickness is approx 1/2"" GE Master pro mobile control heads and cables Eagle model #2 level sensor, tells how full a container is The above prices do not include shipping! Some of the above items are pickup only because of size or weight, locations is Eastern Ohio. if interested e-mail me or you can call Jim Sims sr. N4JDP (614) 439-2177 before 9 PM Eastern re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu " 7910,1,"From: ernie@woody.apana.org.au (Ernie Elu) Subject: MGR NAPLPS & GUI BBS Frontends Organization: Woody - Public Access Linux - Melbourne Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hi all, I am looking into methods I can use to turn my Linux based BBS into a full color Graphical BBS that supports PC, Mac, Linux, and Amiga callers. Originally I was inspired by the NAPLPS graphics standard (a summary of which hit this group about 2 weeks ago). Following up on software availability of NAPLPS supporting software I find that most terminal programs are commercial the only resonable shareware one being PP3 which runs soley on MSDOS machines leaving Mac and Amiga users to buy full commercial software if they want to try out the BBS (I know I wouldn't) Next most interesting possibility is to port MGR to PC, Mac, Amiga. I know there is an old version of a Mac port on bellcore.com that doesn't work under System 7 But I can't seem to find the source anywhere to see if I can patch it. Is there a color version of MGR for Linux? I know there was an alpha version of the libs out last year but I misplaced it. Does anyone on this group know if MGR as been ported to PC or Amiga ? I can't seem to send a message to the MGR channel without it bouncing. Does anyone have any other suggestions for a Linux based GUI BBS ? Thanks in advan " 7911,16,"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Re: Waco Shootout Highlights Total Irresponsibility of the Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr5.213034.10706@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes: >In article <1pdmgaINN95f@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes: >> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >> >> If she *needs* a gun right now, why doesn't she already have one? >> >> >You are the victim of a cut-and-run purse-snatcher. He makes off >> >with your purse, containing your ID, your house keys... and your gun. >> >> So you're saying she can RUN RIGHT INTO A STORE, BUY A GUN, RUN BACK >> OUTSIDE AND SHOOT THE GUY IN THE BACK AS HE RUNS OFF? This doesn't > >No, he's saying she just lost her gun and she wants to buy another >so that as she sits home alone tonight, she's not a sitting duck to >any bastard who wants to break in. In fact, the situation is more grim that that, even. The purse snatcher now has her home address. If the woman lives alone, she is in great personal danger. " 7912,1,"From: razor@swix.nvg.unit.no (Runar Jordahl) Subject: Re: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!! Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu wrote: : Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into : a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and : the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using : forms a rectangular grid. : Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this : is a general interest question. : Thank you!!!!!! " 7913,12,"From: galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Nntp-Posting-Host: storm.cfnr.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado Concert Sound Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr20.102756.1709@mala.bc.ca> wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes: >In article , alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >> In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >>>My question is: >>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. >> >> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp >A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists >of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is >off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers I use an H11F1 FET optoisolater to switch microphone level signals. There is no click, since I put a .1uF cap across the LED. Distortion measurement are very low with mic level, and they went up to 0.03% at a + 14 dB line level. All I did was put the FET in series with one leg of the balanced line. No hums, pops, just audio jumping out of silence. The FET runs about 100 million ohms with the LED dark and drops to 150-200 ohms with it on. Hey, it works, and works well. Galen Watts, KF0YJ " 7914,7,"From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... In-Reply-To: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 20 Apr 93 17:50:58 GMT Organization: /u/jwg/.organization <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> Lines: 21 In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. I didn't know George Bush could drive a bulldozer. Kee-ripe. jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com " 7915,1,"Subject: XLib and 24 Bit Displays [Info Needed] From: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant) Reply-To: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant) Distribution: world Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Keywords: Xlib Nntp-Posting-Host: riverdale.declab.usu.edu Lines: 23 Hi, My name is rahul and I am doing MS at USU, Logan My query is: I have a HP workstation: HP Series 400 with X running on it. I have a true color - 24bit color monitor connected to this machine. Normally I have the capability to display 256 colors from a max of 16.7 million. Since the monitor is True Color I can see 16.7 million at a time. Que: do we have a facility in X(c-function call) that will enable me to specify any RGB combination and see it on screen? I am using XStoreColor to set the pallette of a max of 256 colors. Que: If not. Is there any way I can display a true color image on a true color monitor using XLib function calls? We are generating ray traced images and 256 colors are indeed a painful limit. besides I need the facility to display the true color images i will be generating on a true color system WITHOUT color quantification. Please, if anyone can help i'd be obliged Rahul sl0pr@cc.usu.edu " 7916,7,"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: bullet proof luxury sedans Distribution: usa Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 51 In article <1pnigoINN5in@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> chsu@mtl.mit.edu (Charles H. Hsu) writes: >I am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer >(especially GM and FORD) which produces ""bullet-proof"" luxury sedans. I understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf engine, more gauges, a bit 'stretched', etc, lots of communication equipment, the works. Color selection is limited though. The problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it (Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy). >I am just wondering if this so-called ""bullet-proof"" (perhaps reinforced >windows, special materials for the body/engine/etc.) luxury car - Lincoln >and Cadillac models - is readily available to the public. Not to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like hot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but things like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer. Maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything, perhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from there. >Do we have >to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars? I would really >like to hear from anyone who has experience with the ""bullet-proof"" cars. ""And I wuz drivin' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out of nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof windshield stopped him"" :-) Don't think many people on the net have a need for bulletproof cars. Check with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They'd know best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if you told them ""I'll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice), PR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor). >Any information regarding the dealers and after-market shops that have >""bullet-proof"" Lincoln's and Cadillac's is greatly appreciated. You may >email me at chsu@mtl.mit.edu or post the message in this newsgroup if >you believe other netters might be interested as well. BTW, same information >on Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti luxury sedans is needed >as well if you have it. I believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within the last few months. Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer] " 7917,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu> Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) says: > >With the ""HAWK"", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the >east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to >the park each day. > too bad he doesn't bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run. bob vesterman. " 7918,1,"From: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) Subject: Video in/out Reply-To: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) Distribution: na Organization: NCR E&M Columbia, SC Lines: 14 I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. What cards should I be looking into? Thanks, Craig -- ""To forgive is divine, to be -Craig Williamson an airhead is human."" Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers " 7919,3,"From: im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) Subject: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 24 I have a quick question regarding the Rockwell Chipset that's`come out relatively recently--It supports v.32, v.32bis, v.42, Group III Fax, and so on... However, I heard there are bugs in the chipset. I know someone that has a ZOOM 14.4 Modem that uses the chipset, and he hasn't had a problem. What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell chipset itself? And, if it is the Rockwell chipset, what are the chances that if I buy one of these modems (using the Rockwell chipset), that a) the bug will affect me, b) a ROM change will fix/compensate for the bug? Please send responses via email... --Joe Zbiciak im14u2c@cegt201.bradley.edu / im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu -- Joseph Zbiciak im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu [====Disclaimer--If you believe any of this, check your head!====] ------------------------------------------------------------------ Nuke the Whales! " 7920,2,"From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca Subject: Re: document of .RTF Organization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta Lines: 10 In article <1993Mar30.113436.7339@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, tjyu@eve.kaist.ac.kr (Yu TaiJung) writes: > Does anybody have document of .RTF file or know where I can get it? > > Thanks in advance. :) I got one from Microsoft tech support. -- Sterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA or bjorndahl@camrose.uucp Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1100 " 7921,15,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 30 In article todd@nickel.laurentian.ca writes: >{:> Your roommate is correct. The Immaculate Conception refers to >{:> the conception of Mary in Her mother's womb. > >Okay, now that we've defined the Immaculate Conception Doctrine would it >be possible for those more knowledgeable in the area to give the biblically >or other support for it. I've attempted to come to terms with it previously >(in an attempt to understand it for learning purposes) and haven't been able >to grasp the reasoning. > It was a gift from God. I think basically the reasoning was that the tradition in the Church held that Mary was also without sin as was Jesus. As the tenets of faith developed, particularly with Augustine, sin was more and more equated with sex, and thus Mary was assumed to be a virgin for life (since she never sinned, and since she was the spouse of God, etc.) Since we also had this notion of original sin, ie. that man is born with a predisposition to sin, and since Mary did not have this predisposition because she did not ever sin, she didn't have original sin. When science discovered the process of conception, the next step was to assume that Mary was conceived without original sin, the Immaculate Conception. Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at Lourdes. She refered to herself as the Immaculate Conception. Since a nine year old would have no way of knowing about the doctrine, the apparition was deemed to be true and it sealed the case for the doctrine. RCs hold that all revelation comes from two equally important sources, that being Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition. In this case, mostly tradition. Joe Moore " 7922,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: HST SOmebody mentioned a re-boost of HST during this mission, meaning that Weight is a very tight margin on this mission. How will said re-boost be done? Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude, unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays, then return to earth? My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost? why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. that way, now that they are going to need at least 5 spacewalks, then they can carry an EDO pallet, and sit on station and even maybe do the solar array tilt motor fix. pat " 7923,16,"From: jaf@a2.cim.cdc.com (James Foster x2912) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Control Data Distribution: usa Lines: 197 In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes: |> In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: |> [deleted] |> [] And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better |> []armed if you want to hit what you aim at. |> [] |> >What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of |> >proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car |> >cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access |> >to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the |> >time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every |> >day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I |> >see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a |> >revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple |> >of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a |> >disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang |> >gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing |> >taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target |> >and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are |> >are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most |> >state cops are. Every city and suburban police officer I've seen around the Twin Cities in the last two years has carried a semi-auto of some type (different brands though I haven't seen any Glock's). With regard to this discussion: We are getting dangerously far from the usual rantings of t.p.g, and close to the realm of r.g, but I'd like to put my two cents worth in. While there's nothing wrong with a revolver (especially a large frame S&W in .357 magnum - my favorite) there are valid advantages to semi-autos. I suggest reading Massad Ayoob's (I know, some people can't stand him and think he's full of bull, but I think that in general his material is very valid and useful) book _The Semi Auto Pistol in Police Work_ (or something like that). He defines a number of ways that semi-auto's are different, and that ""different is good"". The main advantage is not in increased firepower, but in more accurate followup shots when you go to single action mode. There is also a certain ""propriatory nature"" of each gun that takes some familiarity to learn. This may have diminished with time as more criminals become familiar with different models of semi-autos, but it was cited as stopping or at least slowing down criminals who had grabbed a police officers gun. |> |> Define ""armed better"". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the |> Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which |> faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other |> guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson |> in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to |> 3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops |> like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something |> often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful). |> |> A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber. |> |> - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull |> the trigger again. |> - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first, |> but will fire merely by pulling the trigger. Yes, but this is best done with a two hand hold. With a single hand you either pull the gun far off target to cock, or must fire double action. The DA semi auto has the same advantages plus is always SA after the first shot. |> - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again |> to rotate to the next round. I'm not sure if this is meant to be different from your first point. In a DA semi-auto you can pull the trigger again to try dropping the hammer on the same round - an advantage you don't have in a revolver where the next trigger pull will always go to the next round (discussing this point now). This is fine with a dud but what about a hangfire situation? Granted it's very rare, but your round will now go off confined in the cylinder with no place to go. Slingshotting the slide on a misfire takes very little time. |> - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the |> hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an |> easy motion, even one handed. Actually with modern revolver designs incorporating hammer blocks this is not necessary or usually recommended. A revolver would have to fall hard enough and at the right angle to actually break the hammer and driver the firing pin into the round to set it off. |> - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines |> on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users. The best speedloader users, especially those using the spring loaded speed loaders are very fast. A problem is that ejecting the spent cases is a two handed job where dropping the expended magazine is one handed. This means that while you can be inserting a fresh magazine as soon as the old one clears the gun, with a speed loader you have to go through more motions that will always take more time. You also don't have the advantage of tactical reloads (replacing a partial magazine to bring you back to full capacity - the partial magazine can still be used if needed later). |> |> - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell |> first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often |> lost as you realize ""hey, it's jammed!"" before starting to do anything |> about clearing it. Yes, the time to recognize the problem is just as important as the time to clear it. Really though, in either a revolver or semi-auto the odds of an actual misfire with factory ammo are awfully small. You are more likely to get a jam in a semi-auto but even these are exceptionally rare with modern quality guns (Sigs, Glocks, et.al.). |> - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round |> and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the |> chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider |> this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed |> of employment as a revolver. |> - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of |> operation of many of them requires more training. All common semi-auto's can be carried with a round in their chamber without any safety problems. While I put that out as a statement that I believe, I should say that this applies to all of the ones I've looked at. For the DA semi's it's no different from the revolver situation: The guns all have hammer or firing pin blocks. They also have a safety. Because there's no real advantage carrying one of these cocked and locked you have the same safety and speed of employment as a revolver, plus the advantage of SA followup shots. I'm not familiar with SA semi-autos except for the 1911-A1. I admit that I was initially skeptical about carrying this cocked and locked, but after examining the design, trying to defeat the safeties (gun unloaded of course), and shooting it a lot, I see no inherent safety problems with it, especially in a thumbreak holster with the strap under the hammer. This design also gets you more speed for an accurate first shot than a revolver. |> |> Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly |> switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having |> accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks |> require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex |> as the timer on a VCR. Yeah, the infamous Glock. I still can't figure out how it's worse than a revolver for safety. If you don't pull the trigger it doesn't go off. I imagine that if all your revolver shooting was done double action then you could pull the Glock trigger far enough to fire before you realized it. In addition, if you had developed that nasty habit of keeping your finger on the trigger when holstering your gun and relying on your thumb on the hammer to remind you to take it off before you blew off your foot then you'd have problems when the hammer wasn't there. |> |> Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun |> the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter |> and pay attention. I do not seek here to say ""semi-autos are junk"" |> merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop |> with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than |> equipped for anything short of a riot. I think this is even okay for a riot (as long as it's a small one B^)). |> |> Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a |> wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything. |> Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit. |> I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon |> to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit |> what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously |> wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those |> extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in |> criminal encounters is less than 5. I have the poor man's Beretta (Taurus 99) and consider it inferior as a carry weapon to the Springfield .45 (oops, 9mm vs. 45 arguments are relegated to r.g). You are right, though. If you don't hit what you aim at then the shooter/gun combination has failed. I don't ascribe failures in the the fire real fast with a wonder-nine scenario you mention to the gun. This is a shooter failure, whether through lack of discipline or lack of training. |> |> What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple |> .38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police |> prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway..... 9mm's are becoming more popular with crooks too, though the .38 does still lead the list. And like I said, around here semi-auto's seem the rule for the street cop. Don't know about the State Patrol however, they may still carry the ""Highway Patrolman"". |> |> ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they |> introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking |> as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal. Vincent, please don't take any of this as a flame. Just my $0.02 (whoops, looks more like $2.00) worth. And much of it is IMHO, but do check Ayoob's book. |> |> -- |> ""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" |> -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. " 7924,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Playoff pool entry form Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far. There are at least 40 entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993! In the interest of fairness, since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone my picks, so that you all won't cry ""rigged"" after I declare myself the winner. Here they are: Series Your Pick Games Division Semifinals Pittsburgh-New Jersey Pittsburgh 5 Washington-NY Islanders NY Islanders 6 Boston-Buffalo Boston 5 Quebec-Montreal Quebec 7 Chicago-St. Louis Chicago 4 Detroit-Toronto Detroit 6 Vancouver-Winnipeg Winnipeg 7 Calgary-Los Angeles Calgary 7 Division Finals Patrick Pittsburgh 6 Adams Quebec 7 Norris Chicago 7 Smythe Calgary Conference Finals Wales Pittsburgh 5 Campbell Chicago 4 Stanley Cup winner Pittsburgh 6 -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 7925,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: Indiana University Lines: 42 In article munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: >I am doing a dormitory bible ""discussion"" with my Christian roommate and >in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God >and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same >way now?"" > [insert huge deletion of all following material since it had little relevance to what I've found] OK. The people before Jesus didn't have Jesus, right (so far, I've announced that space is a vacuum)? The people who lived during the time Jesus lived (especially disciples) were taught this: ""I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."" (John 14:12-14) So, Jesus asked them to pray for things in his name. Since that time, the request has been the same, not to ask for intercession from other beings, but from Jesus. Remember that ""there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time."" (1 Timothy 2:5-6. Also, ""there have been many of those priests [talking about priests among the Hebrews], since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."" (Hebrews 7:23-25). Hebrews is also full of areas talking about Jesus being our mediator rather than any other man. Joe Fisher [""The people before Jesus didn't have Jesus, right"" may not be as obvious as you think. In what sense to you mean didn't have? Christian thought has generally said that they had Jesus in the sense that they were saved by his death. God is not bound by our chronology. So in some real spiritual sense they did ""have Jesus"". Even in terms of knowledge, while they surely didn't have the explicit knowledge that we have, Christians have normally seen messianic prophecy as knowledge of Jesus, even if knowledge from afar. --clh] " 7926,4,"From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Mac 800 numbers Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 90 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 21:15:37 GMT Here's a list of 800 numbers I have compiled from other sources... anybody got anything to add? It's formatted for Alpha, and looks fine for me, so don't complain if it doesn't look good to you. * Adobe 1-415-961-0911 FAX info 1-800-235-0078 * Aldus 1-206-622-5500 * Alladin 1-408-685-9175 * Altsys 1-214-680-2060 * APDA 1-800-282-2732 (Apple Prog Dev Assoc) * Apple Computer 1-408-996-1010 * Apple Customer 1-800-776-2333 Non-Tech assistance * APS 1-800-233-7550 (Alliance Peripheral Sys) * ASD Softwae 1-714-624-2594 FAX 1-714-624-9574 * Berkeley Systems 1-415-540-5535 * Cayman Systems 1-800-473-4776 * CE Software 1-515-224-1953 * Claris 1-408-727-8227 1-408-727-9054 Claris Software 1-800-3CL-ARIS * Compatible Systems 1-800-356-0283 * Computer Associates C.A 1-408-648-4000 * Connectix 1-800-950-5880 * DataViz 1-203-268-0300 * Dayna 1-801-972-2000 * DeltaPoint 1-800-367-4334 * Deneba 1-305-594-6965 * Dr.Mac: 1-800-825-6227 * Fifth Generation 1-800-873-4384 * GreatWave 1-408-438-1990 * ICOM Simulations 1-708-520-4440 * MacAvenue: 1-800-926-6221 * MacConnection: 1-800-334-4444 * MacLand: 1-800-888-8779 * MacroMind 1-415-442-0200 * Mac's Place: 1-800-367-4222 * MacWarehouse: 1-800-255-6227 * Microcom 1-919-490-1277 * Microsoft 1-800-426-9400 Educational: 1-800-227-4679 General: 1-206-882-8088 Sales and Services: 1-800-426-9400 Then punch: 1 Technical Assistance 2 University * Shiva 1-617-864-8100 * Silicon Beach 1-619-695-6956 * Symantec 1-800-441-7234 * The Mac Zone: 1-800-248-0800 * Chip Merchant 1-800-426-6375 * ClearPoint Computers 1-800-253-2778 * ClubMac 1-800-CLU-BMAC * Delta Research Labs 1-800-999-1593 * Diamond 1-800-541-7126 * Dynamic Electronics 1-800-845-8228 * ETC 1-800-882-2863 * Global Village Telecom. 1-800-736-4821 Mac ADB modems * Lifetime Memory 1-800-233-6233 * LLB 1-800-848-8967 * Macproducts USA 1-800 MAC DISK * MacProducts: 1-800-MAC-USA1 * Megabyte Memory 1-800-748-5766 Products * Memory International 1-800-266-0488 * Memory Plus 1-800-388-PLUS * Micro Electronic Tech 1-800-766-7466 * Newer Technology 1-800-678-3726 * Peripheral Outlet 1-800-332-6581 * PSI 1-800-622-1722 * Quadmation 1-800-733-7887 * Shecom Computers 1-800-366-4433 * SII Micros 1-800-424-1126 * South Coast Electronics 1-800-289-8801 * Stratum Technologies 1-800-533-1744 * Technology Works 1-800-688-7466 * Texas Macstuf 1-800-MAC-STUF * Third Wave Computing 1-800-284-0486 * Third Wave 1-800-284-0846 * Turbo Technologies 1-800-542-7466 1-800-555-1212 directory assistance for 1-800 numbers " 7927,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: po.kmr4.1447.734101641 Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr6.041343.24997@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes: >The point has been raised and has been answered. Roger and I have >clearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue; >specifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of >the Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live ""morally straight""). Please define ""morally straight"". And, don't even try saying that ""straight"", as it is used here, implies only hetersexual behavior. [ eg: ""straight"" as in the slang word opposite to ""gay"" ] This is alot like ""family values"". Everyone is talking about them, but misteriously, no one knows what they are. --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. " 7928,19,"From: ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 87 In article 70257, david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) writes: >In article 17570@freenet.carleton.ca, ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca >(James Owens) writes: >>You seem to be saying that, God being unknowable, His morality >>is unknowable. >Yep, that's pretty much it. . . . >. . . >As I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all >that was required, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern >Judaism) believed that the Torah was available for interpretation >to lead to an understanding of the required Morality in all its >nuances (->Talmud). >The essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an >interface between Man and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does >not necessarily indicate anything about YHWH outside of that >relationship (although one can speculate). >. . . >. . . the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the >Bible to interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess >this is where Faith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent >subjectiveness. God being unknowable, I can't comment on His motives, but it would be distressing if He allowed us to misunderstand Him through no fault of our own. For sanity's sake we must assume, if we believe in Him at all, that His message comes through somehow. The question is whether it comes through immediately to every individual, or is contained in a complex canon that must be interpreted by experts in consultation with one another, or is transmitted directly through appointed representatives who are free to interpret, extend and modify the canon. If God's message is indeed mediated, the further problem arises as to whether the individual under- stands the mediated message fully and clearly. Since the responsibility for understanding lies ultimately with the individual, we must assume that God in His benevolence guides each individual to the appropriate source for that individual, whereof the person may or may not drink. >>Metaphysically, if there are multiple moral codes then there is no >>Absolute moral code, and I think this is theologically questionable. >No. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple >moral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral >code. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child >may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told >the child that it is ""wrong"". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in >the pub or bar (where there are no children). The ""wrongness"" here is if >the child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is ""inappropriate"" >to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of >animals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that >he is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but >you get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive >as absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own. Your example is complicated in our age by the thin line between morality and politeness. You might have said ""burp"", for burping and swearing carry about the same stigma today. If you are talking about ""taking the Lord's name in vain"" as a serious transgression, then this example is more a case of hypocrisy than of varying moral codes. If there is an absolute moral code, propositions or laws in that code apply absolutely and universally, by definition. Conceivably some moral codes could be subsets of the universal code, as you say at the outset. So, for example, God's code could include, ""Thou shalt not create Beings without a hospitable planet to live on"", but this law would be inapplicable to us. Nevertheless, we would be entitled to suppose that all laws applicable to us are also applicable to God. But when you begin to ask what laws might appear in God's moral code, you have a sense of the absurdity of the question. Does God make laws for Himself to follow? Perhaps God is not the sort of being to which the category ""morality"" can be sensibly applied. -- James Owens ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca Ottawa, Ontario, Canada " 7929,2,"From: tdarugar@cs.ucsd.edu (Tony Darugar) Subject: Fahrenheit 1280+ problems, help! Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: tartarus.ucsd.edu Hi, I recently bought an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280+. It's a real nice card, but I'm having very big problems with it. The basic problem is that vertical lines are missing from the display in windows. Something like every other line or so. Also, when I use a DOS gif viewer, namely vpic 6.0c, in Fahrenheit 1280 mode, vertical lines are swapped. It's very strange looking. If it uses VESA standards, however, it works great! only it thinks there's only 512K on the card. (There's 1MB on there). I have contacted Orchid support, and they tried to be helpful, but didn't have the answer. I don't think the card is the problem, since it works great on my friend's computer. Here is my setup: Fahrenheit 1280+, 1MB, bios 1.1 386-25, Opti-chipset2, AMI bios 1990, 5MB ram. Maxtor 120MB harddrive, (slave) Maxtor 40Mb harddrive (master) Panasonic c1381 monitor, version 4.6 windows drivers. windows 3.1 I tried taking all memory managers, etc off, and took all other cards (besides disk controller) off. My friend's setup is 386sx-16, shamrock monitor. If anyone has seen anything like this, or can otherwise help, I will be very greatful. Please send e-mail to tdarugar@tartarus.ucsd.edu or tdarugar@ebon.ucsd.edu Tony. " 7930,4,"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin) Subject: Mac IIsi Power Limitations Summary: What are they? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 9 I own a Mac IIsi and am considering upgrades (cards, hard drive, etc). Can you tell me what the power limitations are for 1) the PDS slot and 2) the hard drive power feed. Secondly, Can you tell me if there is a separate limit for each, or if instead, there is a single limit for both combined? felix lin, a new reader of comp.sys.mac.hardware feilimau@leland.stanford.edu " 7931,19,"From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 41 In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > > > With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider >the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought >the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier, >would amuse you all... > > > The following passages are exact quotes from ""The Southern >Baptist Convention and Freemasonry"" by James L. Holly, M.D., President >of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX >77706. > > ""Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His >disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."" >Page 30. > > ""The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity >through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen >in the writings of the 'great' writers of Freemasonry"". Page 31. > I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! , > > >Tony A Laugh? Tony, this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me, and that any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the future of just about anything. Shades of the Branch Davidians, Jim Jones, and Charlie Manson. --Uncle Wolf --Member Highland Lodge 748 F&AM (Grand Lodge of California) --Babtized a Southern Babtist --And one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either. > > " 7932,13,"From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as >I am concerned. This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me. John Badanes, DC, CA romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu " 7933,3,"From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) Subject: Re: 17"" monitor with RGB/sync to VGA ?? Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: RGB VGA 17""monitor scanlonm@rimail.interlan.com (Michael Scanlon) writes: >I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current >batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor >which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether) >connectors out the back?? I might be able to get ahold of a Raster >Technologies 17"" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was >possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would >I need different drivers etc. >Thanks >Mike Scanlon >please reply to scanlon@interlan.com You need a monitor cable that has a VGA connector on one end and five BNC connectors on the other. I bought one from Nanao when I bought the Nanao monitor I use, which also has five BNC connectors. Check with a computer store that sells good monitors. Quite a few companies use that setup. " 7934,4,"From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman ) Subject: Re: Memory upgrades Nntp-Posting-Host: 222.1.248.85 Reply-To: gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com Organization: Memories at Motorola X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 33 jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy) writes: : : Excuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in : several FAQs but couldn't really find anything. You are excused... the answer varies from Mac to Mac so it would be a complex answer in the FAQ. : : I have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want : (need) to add additional memory. But I'm on a budget. : I really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is : the best (performance wise) and most economical way : to do this? Someone told me that I should only use : SIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg, : 4 2 meg, etc. What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg : and use the rest of what I already have? The manual : hasn't been very helpful with this. : The si uses a 32 bit wide data bus and therefore you must use 4 8-bit wide simms. Sorry, but no short cuts here. : Thanks. You're quite welcome. : Greg. -- My words, not Motorola's. * ______ * EQUAL rights NOT special rights gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus. Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 * \ / * SILENCE = DEATH Motorola Austin, Texas, USA * \/ * First, be true to yourself. GLB mailing list ---> glblist@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Motorola only) " 7935,0,"From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >>Schneider >>>Natural morality may specifically be thought of as a code of ethics that >>>a certain species has developed in order to survive. >>Wait. Are we talking about ethics or morals here? > >Is the distinction important? Yes. >>>We see this countless >>>times in the animal kingdom, and such a ""natural"" system is the basis for >>>our own system as well. >>Huh? > >Well, our moral system seems to mimic the natural one, in a number of ways. Please describe these ""number of ways"" in detail. Then explain the any contradictions that may arise. >>>In order for humans to thrive, we seem to need >>>to live in groups, >>Here's your problem. ""we *SEEM* to need"". What's wrong with the highlighted >>word? > >I don't know. What is wrong? Is it possible for humans to survive for >a long time in the wild? Yes, it's possible, but it is difficult. Humans >are a social animal, and that is a cause of our success. Define ""difficult"". >>>and in order for a group to function effectively, it >>>needs some sort of ethical code. >>This statement is not correct. > >Isn't it? Why don't you think so? Explain the laws in America stating that you have to drive on the right- hand side of the road. >>>And, by pointing out that a species' conduct serves to propogate itself, >>>I am not trying to give you your tautology, but I am trying to show that >>>such are examples of moral systems with a goal. Propogation of the species >>>is a goal of a natural system of morality. >>So anybody who lives in a monagamous relationship is not moral? After all, >>in order to ensure propogation of the species, every man should impregnate >>as many women as possible. > >No. As noted earlier, lack of mating (such as abstinence or homosexuality) >isn't really destructive to the system. It is a worst neutral. So if every member of the species was homosexual, this wouldn't be destructive to the survival of the species? >>For that matter, in herds of horses, only the dominate stallion mates. When >>he dies/is killed/whatever, the new dominate stallion is the only one who >>mates. These seems to be a case of your ""natural system of morality"" trying >>to shoot itself in the figurative foot. > >Again, the mating practices are something to be reexamined... The whole ""theory"" needs to be reexamined... -- =kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= =My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= " 7936,12,"From: klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) Subject: Beginner's RF ??? Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: na Lines: 14 Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference to RF circuits? I am pretty good on theory & know what different types of modulation mean, but don't have a lot of practical experience. A book detailing working circuits of different types (modulation, power, frequency, what is legal, what is not, et cetera), would be very helpful. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Klinkner AT&T Bell Labs srk@boeing.att.com att!boeing!srk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7937,5,"From: mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Reply-To: mikey@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com In article , buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes: |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) How can we resist a questions that says something like this? |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? If your Expose event handler is truly intelligent about exposed rectangle information, then you can use XClearArea to generate an Expose event (assuming that your background pixel is not None) for the enclosing rectangle of your new item. This is still not great, since any other items contained within that rectangle will still be unnecessarily redrawn. If your Expose event handler simply redraws everything, you'll be doing much more work than just drawing the new item ""on top"" of the existing scene. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 " 7938,3,"From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) Subject: VESA LB - what is bus mastering Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca I read an article about the benefits of a VLB motherboard. It said that a true VLB board supports bus mastering, otherwise it is just as good as an ISA motherboard. Doesn't all VLB motherboard support bus mastering? I just bought a 486-33 VLB and the tech manual does not explicitly state the words ""local bus mastering"" but it said it ""supports bus master and slave modes"". Are these terms synonymous? Thanks. PS. - please reply by e-mail as I don't read this newgroup often. " 7939,18,"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 50 In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > >From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: > > Male sex survey: Gay activity low > > A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough > examination of American men's sexual practices published since > the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 > percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and > 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. > > The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday > by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than > the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional > wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. 1) So what? 2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of us then this is an event unprecidented in history... >The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... >Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >male population. And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for you.... >It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. Fuck off -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . " 7940,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: Why the drive speeds differ?? Keywords: Quantum, LPS, speed Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 19 In mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo) writes: >I just got a La Cie 240 meg external hard drive. Speed tests show that it's >substantially faster that my internal 105 meg Quantum HD. Supposedly the 105 >and the 240 (both LPS drives) are roughly rated the same speed. Why such a >large difference? Could be better caching on the disk. Could be faster coil for seeks. Could be that the disk spins faster so data transfers faster. Could be that data is packed tighter so it transfers faster. Could be a faster SCSI command decoder in the drive. Among other things... -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- Engineering: ""How will this work?"" Science: ""Why will this work?"" Management: ""When will this work?"" Liberal Arts: ""Do you want fries with that?"" -- Jesse N. Schell " 7941,9,"Subject: Rockies and Rangers fans, Please help me From: valentin+@pitt.edu (Shawn V. Hernan) Organization: University of Pittsburgh X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 22:34:04 GMT Lines: 12 Greetings baseballers, I have a choice of two more or less identical conferences to attend, one in Denver, and one in Dallas, both May 24-28. Could some kind Rockies or Rangers (they DO play in the Dallas area, right?) fans please let me know if there are home dates for that week. I'd love to catch a game. Thanks, Shawn " 7942,9,"From: cac@owlnet.rice.edu (Christopher Andrew Campbell) Subject: Re: Royals Summary: never Organization: Rice University Distribution: na Lines: 12 In article spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo) writes: B.S. about darkness deleted. > Oh, lighten up. What depresses me is that they might actually >finish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in >1970. nope The Royals are the only team in the majors that have not finished in last place. ^^^^ Of course this doesn't include the marlins and the rockies but they have a good chance at finishing last also. >rich. " 7943,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Lines: 40 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <8110356@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes: >> From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin) >> >> >RM:Just a short thought: >> >When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback >> >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >> >""no, it's total amnesty"". > >> Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy >> back' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty"" can >> you get if you leave paper trail behind? > >In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver >Nuggets basketball game. > >How traceable is a money order? (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years) Money orders operate pretty much like checks, with both parties being supposed to sign them. I assume you'd have to show the buy-back people an ID, and you'd then have a money order made out to that ID. As far as traceable as a practical matter, I don't know, it would depend on whether they bother to computerize who the recipient's name is on the money order and bother keying that sort of thing in. I'd say certainly the police and the buyback people would keep a record of who they gave money orders out to. >Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen? There might be some questions asked, I suppose, if somebody brought in a number of weapons each time over a series of ""buy back"" programs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 7944,19,"Subject: Re: [lds] Rick's reply From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 95 In article , psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: > Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to > differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may > not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith > on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is > truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing heresy. I assumed that heresy meant a departure from orthodoxy, in which case generally accepted belief is indeed an important issue. In this case, the definition of the word ""create"" is of great importance, since creation is the issue being discussed. > > Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created > and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon > belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to > have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address > and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the > conclusion that you grant. I should have said ""given the Mormon belief."" If you disagree with the Mormon belief that creation is more a function of organization of eternally existent substance than one of ex nihilo creation, then that is the important point. > The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus > is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS > belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. Correction: you interpret the Bible to mean something very specific by such terms. > The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is > nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible > says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: > It always cracks me up when anti-Mormons presume to tell Mormons what they believe. Mormons do, in fact, believe that all people, including Christ and Lucifer, are children of God in the sense that we were all created (or organized or whatever) by Him. We also believe that being ""offspring"" of God has a symbolic sense when applied to being spiritually ""born again"" of Him. Thus the same word can be used to convey different meanings. This is how language works, Robert, and it's why making someone an offender for a word is dangerous. > This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but > rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read > something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. For <...> > We first look to the Bible to see what it teaches. To discount, or not > even address, what the Bible teaches because there are some groups that > have differing views is self-defeating. To see what the Bible teaches, > you have to look at the Bible. On the contrary, Robert, it is not a red herring at all to show that those who rely wholly on the Bible cannot seem to agree on what it says. You say that one must simply ""look at the Bible"" to see what it teaches, but centuries of people doing just that have sho0wn that no one is really sure what it says. Are we to believe that you are the only one who really understands the scriptures? > I find this rather curious. When I mentioned that the Mormon belief is > that Jesus needed to be saved, I put forward some quotes from the late > apostle, Bruce McConkie. The curious part is that no one addressed the > issue of `Jesus needing to be saved.' Rick comes the closest with his ""I > have my own conclusions"" to addressing the point. Let me clarify this one more time. You did not refer to the Mormon belief that Jesus needed to be saved, but rather to McConkie's belief in same. We keep trying to point out to you that Bruce McConkie is not the source of Mormon doctrine, and you keep ignoring it. (see below) > > Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of > Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't > think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the > issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this > subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may > certainly be. On the contrary, Robert, if you are quoting McConkie's words as Mormon canon then the question of whether they are canon or not is of *great* importance. The fact is that they are not. Whether or not they indicate general Mormon belief would only be ascertainable by interviewing a large number of Mormons. > > >============================= >Robert Weiss >psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu -- Rick Anderson librba@BYUVM.BITNET " 7945,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: TRUE ""GLOBE"", Who makes it? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 12 In article bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance) writes: >It has been known for quite a while that the earth is actually more pear >shaped than globular/spherical. Does anyone make a ""globe"" that is accurate >as to actual shape, landmass configuration/Long/Lat lines etc.? I don't think you're going to be able to see the differences from a sphere unless they are greatly exaggerated. Even the equatorial bulge is only about 1 part in 300 -- you'd never notice a 1mm error in a 30cm globe -- and the other deviations from spherical shape are much smaller. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 7946,4,"From: root@ncube.com (Operator) Subject: Re: Which fax modem is the best? Nntp-Posting-Host: admin Reply-To: root@ncube.com Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA Lines: 19 Well I am using The Home Office. I bought it for arounde $350. It does 14.4. I don't know if it's for data or fax. But the feature I use is the Voic Mail Box, which I really have liked. --- ^~ @ * * Captain Zod... _|/_ / zod@ncube.com |-|-|/ 0 /| 0 / | \=======&==\=== \===========&=== " 7947,6,"From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Okidata printer for sale Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 20 Fellow netters, I have an Okidata printer I would like to sell. A description follows: Okidata 180 printer including cables for both IBM compatibles (Centronics parallel) and Commodore (RS-232 - round). Also includes power cable, manual, and a handful of computer paper to get you started. This is a 9-pin printer. I recently cleaned the printhead and installed a new ribbon. A print sample can be provided upon request. This is a very dependable printer - it never jams or does ""weird"" things. I have used it with a Commodore for about 3 years and am now using it with my 486sx. I use mainly WordPerfect 5.1 (see next post) for which I got a driver (at no charge) that directly supports the Okidata 180 in Epson FX mode. When I got the printer, it was selling for around $200-220 new (I got mine from Tenex brand new - for a Christmas present). I would like to get about $100 or so for it. If you are interested at all in it, please give me a ring (E-Mail) and make an offer. - Kevin Harter " 7948,12,"From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown) Subject: 600RPM Floopy drives - UPDATE! Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk Many thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have which is 3.5"" 600RPM!! I now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B computer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm (tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow for the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also change the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed! Hopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32 quid and upwards ....) The drive is a JVC MDP series drive ... ============================================================================= _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ | _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Michael Brown _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ | mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk | ============================================================================= Lost interest ?? It's so bad I've lost apathy! ============================================================================= " 7949,2,"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu Subject: last Distribution: usa Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA Lines: 20 I have two questions: 1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows. When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not know how to correct it. 2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go? E-mail prefered... _____ Who else is still waiting for ""Naked Gun Part (Pi) | | "" ''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/ '/''/'Nathan'Narloch''/''/''/'""Alumn122@whscdp.whs.edu""/''/''/''/' /''/'(Enforcer'Burp)'/''/''/''or'/'""NARLOCHN@KIRK.MSOE.EDU""'/''/'' ''/''/Milw,/WI/53207/''/'""Join'the'Official'Psycho/Team...""/''/''/ '/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/' " 7950,5,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1 Reply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com ..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm... gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw -lXaw -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -lXt -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl -ltermcap Undefined first referenced symbol in file index /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) rindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xterm' Any clues for help? -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 " 7951,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 08/15 - Addresses Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 230 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 19:58:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/addresses Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:38:55 $ CONTACTING NASA, ESA, AND OTHER SPACE AGENCIES/COMPANIES Many space activities center around large Government or International Bureaucracies. In the US that means NASA. If you have basic information requests: (e.g., general PR info, research grants, data, limited tours, and ESPECIALLY SUMMER EMPLOYMENT (typically resumes should be ready by Jan. 1), etc.), consider contacting the nearest NASA Center to answer your questions. EMail typically will not get you any where, computers are used by investigators, not PR people. The typical volume of mail per Center is a multiple of 10,000 letters a day. Seek the Public Information Office at one of the below, this is their job: NASA (The National Aeronautics and Space Administration) is the civilian space agency of of the United States Federal Government. It reports directly to the White House and is not a Cabinet post such as the military Department of Defense. Its 20K+ employees are civil servants and hence US citizens. Another 100K+ contractors also work for NASA. NASA CENTERS NASA Headquarters (NASA HQ) Washington DC 20546 (202)-358-1600 Ask them questions about policy, money, and things of political nature. Direct specific questions to the appropriate center. NASA Ames Research Center (ARC) Moffett Field, CA 94035 (415)-694-5091 Some aeronautical research, atmosphere reentry, Mars and Venus planetary atmospheres. ""Lead center"" for Helicopter research, V/STOL, etc. Runs Pioneer series of space probes. NASA Ames Research Center Dryden Flight Research Facility [DFRF] P. O. Box 273 Edwards, CA 93523 (805)-258-8381 Aircraft, mostly. Tested the shuttle orbiter landing characteristics. Developed X-1, D-558, X-3, X-4, X-5, XB-70, and of course, the X-15. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) Greenbelt, MD 20771 [Outside of Washington DC] (301)-344-6255 Earth orbiting unmanned satellites and sounding rockets. Developed LANDSAT. Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) California Institute of Technology 4800 Oak Grove Dr. Pasadena, CA 91109 (818)-354-5011 The ""heavies"" in planetary research probes and other unmanned projects (they also had a lot to do with IRAS). They run Voyager, Magellan, Galileo, and will run Cassini, CRAF, etc. etc.. For images, probe navigation, and other info about unmanned exploration, this is the place to go. JPL is run under contract for NASA by the nearby California Institute of Technology, unlike the NASA centers above. This distinction is subtle but critical. JPL has different requirements for unsolicited research proposals and summer hires. For instance in the latter, an SF 171 is useless. Employees are Caltech employees, contractors, and for the most part have similar responsibilities. They offer an alternative to funding after other NASA Centers. A fact sheet and description of JPL is available by anonymous FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/JPLDescription NASA Johnson Manned Space Center (JSC) Houston, TX 77058 (713)-483-5111 JSC manages Space Shuttle, ground control of manned missions. Astronaut training. Manned mission simulators. NASA Kennedy Space Flight Center (KSC) Titusville, FL 32899 (407)-867-2468 Space launch center. You know this one. NASA Langley Research Center (LaRC) Hampton, VA 23665 [Near Newport News, VA] (804)-865-2935 Original NASA site. Specializes in theoretical and experimental flight dynamics. Viking. Long Duration Exposure Facility. NASA Lewis Research Center (LeRC) 21000 Brookpark Rd. Cleveland, OH 44135 (216)-433-4000 Aircraft/Rocket propulsion. Space power generation. Materials research. NASA Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) Huntsville, AL 35812 (205)-453-0034 Development, production, delivery of Solid Rocket Boosters, External Tank, Orbiter main engines. Propulsion and launchers. Michoud Assembly Facility Orleans Parish New Orleans, LA 70129 (504)-255-2601 Shuttle external tanks are produced here; formerly Michoud produced first stages for the Saturn V. Stennis Space Center Bay St. Louis, Mississippi 39529 (601)-688-3341 Space Shuttle main engines are tested here, as were Saturn V first and second stages. The center also does remote-sensing and technology-transfer research. Wallops Flight Center Wallops Island, VA 23337 (804)824-3411 Aeronautical research, sounding rockets, Scout launcher. Manager, Technology Utilization Office NASA Scientific and Technical Information Facility Post Office Box 8757 Baltimore, Maryland 21240 Specific requests for software must go thru COSMIC at the Univ. of Georgia, NASA's contracted software redistribution service. You can reach them at cosmic@uga.bitnet. NOTE: Foreign nationals requesting information must go through their Embassies in Washington DC. These are facilities of the US Government and are regarded with some degree of economic sensitivity. Centers cannot directly return information without high Center approval. Allow at least 1 month for clearance. This includes COSMIC. The US Air Force Space Command can be contacted thru the Pentagon along with other Department of Defense offices. They have unacknowledged offices in Los Angeles, Sunnyvale, Colorado Springs, and other locations. They have a budget which rivals NASA in size. ARIANESPACE HEADQUARTERS Boulevard de l'Europe B.P. 177 91006 Evry Cedex France ARIANESPACE, INC. 1747 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Suite 875 Washington, DC 20006 (202)-728-9075 EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY (ESA) 955 L'Enfant Plaza S.W. Washington, D.C. 20024 (202)-488-4158 NATIONAL SPACE DEVELOPMENT AGENCY (NASDA) 4-1 Hamamatsu-Cho, 2 Chome Minato-Ku, Tokyo 105, JAPAN SOYUZKARTA 45 Vologradsij Pr. Moscow 109125 USSR SPACE CAMP Alabama Space and Rocket Center U.S. SPACE CAMP 1 Tranquility Base 6225 Vectorspace Blvd Huntsville, AL 35805 Titusville FL 32780 (205)-837-3400 (407)267-3184 Registration and mailing list are handled through Huntsville -- both camps are described in the same brochure. Programs offered at Space Camp are: Space Camp - one week, youngsters completing grades 4-6 Space Academy I - one week, grades 7-9 Aviation Challenge - one week high school program, grades 9-11 Space Academy II - 8 days, college accredited, grades 10-12 Adult Program - 3 days (editorial comment: it's great!) Teachers Program - 5 days SPACE COMMERCE CORPORATION (U.S. agent for Soviet launch services) 504 Pluto Drive 69th flr, Texas Commerce Tower Colorado Springs, CO 80906 Houston, TX 77002 (719)-578-5490 (713)-227-9000 SPACEHAB 600 Maryland Avenue, SW Suite 201 West Washington, DC 20004 (202)-488-3483 SPOT IMAGE CORPORATION 1857 Preston White Drive, Reston, VA 22091 (FAX) (703)-648-1813 (703)-620-2200 OTHER COMMERCIAL SPACE BUSINESSES Vincent Cate maintains a list with addresses and some info for a variety of companies in space-related businesses. This is mailed out on the space-investors list he runs (see the ""Network Resources"" FAQ) and is also available by anonymous ftp from furmint.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (128.2.209.111) in /usr/vac/ftp/space-companies. NEXT: FAQ #9/15 - Schedules for space missions, and how to see them " 7952,10,"Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie From: Organization: Penn State University Lines: 50 In article <93095.210625MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>, says: > >Also sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ... > >>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that >>Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse >>and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros >>to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. >> >>If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa >>gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? >> >>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. >>They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away >>again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in >>Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the >>franchise. >> >>Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal >>for the pick. >> >>Stephen Legge >>SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca > >Two things: > >1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago? > >2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that. > 3. With Soderstrom and Roussel, why the hell would the Flyers want to pick up an older and slumping Roy? (BYW, I could come up with a group of players they'd trade for.... but they wouldn't be from the same team.) >Go Flyers, Cup in '94... > >Mike >--- >***Yes-Rush-Marillion-ELP-Genesis-King Crimson-Dream Theater-Beatles*** >* Mike Weintraub, aka Jvi on IRC ""Courageous convictions * >* mweintr@american.edu will drag the dream * >* jedi@wave.cerf.net into existence"" * >* The American University, Washington DC - Rush (NOT Limbaugh) * >***Go Philadelphia Flyers, Vancouver Canucks & Philadelphia Phillies*** John E. Runski " 7953,7,"Subject: Re: Ford SHO engine parts! From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) Distribution: world Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525 Lines: 21 W >>will NOT do work on internal engine components of the SHO engine. This W > W >Good thing, too. W > W >At about 25K miles my cam sensor went south. 2 different Ford W >dealers tried 5 or 6 different ""fixes"", none of which worked. Finally W >I took it down the street to the local mechanic. This guy reads the W >code off the engine computer, says ""Bad cam sensor"", and fixes it in W >an hour... A friend of mine had some sensors damaged by flood waters, Ford denys any sensors are registering bad. He and his father did the short a circut via paper clip method (not sure of the exact technique), and read the codes off the ""service engine"" light flashes generated from this. Came up with the damaged sensors, went back to Ford, and TOLD them what was wrong. They fixed the car after that. What a bunch of bozos. ---- The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB " 7954,9,"From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu Subject: re: Mo Sanford Article-I.D.: ra.1993Apr6.173224.13148 Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: ur117.ur.msstate.edu In article <1993Apr3.045040.10480@ra.msstate.edu> js1@jazz.cc.msstate.edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: >Does any know if Mo Sanford, Rockies pitcher, got cut? He use to be with the` >Reds, but was drafted in the expansion draft. > I believe he was sent down to AAA. " 7955,12,"From: thompson@cactus.org (Charles Thompson) Subject: How does ""Differential Mode"" GPS work??? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 15 I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option known as ""differential ready"". Apparently land-based beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS receiver (with differential option installed). How does this system work? What frequency is used for the land-based beacons? Thanks in advance, Charlie Thompson . " 7956,13,"From: 880506s@dragon.acadiau.ca (James R. Skinner) Subject: Re: Paxil (request) Organization: Acadia University Lines: 15 880506s@dragon.acadiau.ca (James R. Skinner) writes: > > I have seen a couple of postings refering to an SRI called paxil. I >have been on Prozac for a number of years and recently switched to Zolf. I >have seen a bit of comparsion of Prozac to Paxil but none on Zolft to Prozac >Can some one enlight me on the differences/ side effect profile/ etc... does anyone know? -- -----------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- James Robie Skinner | Jodrey School of Computer Science James.Skinner@dragon.acadiau.ca | Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada -----------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- " 7957,13,"From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214/436-3281 Lines: 27 In article <1qk1taINNmr4@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.153729.13738@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >>Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used >>MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that >>they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just >>extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth. > >And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that >the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not >cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - >extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant >Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are there other sources of MSG? I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However, I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant. -- Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240 marco@sdf.lonestar.org loveyameanit. " 7958,4,"From: hulthage@morue.usc.edu (Ingemar Hulthage) Subject: Dead mouse ? Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morue.usc.edu My MacClassic mouse died. I dissected it and determined that it is the microswitch, that senses the click, that is stuck in the depressed mode. This tragedy prompts the following questions: 1. Is it easy to find a microswitch that I could solder into the place of the old switch ? 2. I have old mice (Max+, Mac 512Ke), can they be used with some adapter ? " 7959,2,"From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy) Subject: Re: Windows Help Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 53 In <1993Apr20.072905.21404@fel.tno.nl> mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) writes: >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes: >>Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help. >>We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have >>Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build >>a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? >>Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an >>on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, >>would you help to point out what I would need to do it? >>-- >>Vincent Q. Yin >>umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca >Hi, >If you have developed your own windows application you must have a >SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to >compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files. >RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W. You do not need the SDK. What you need (and can get free) are Location: ftp.cica.indiana.edu index: /pub/pc/win3/INDEX First get /pub/pc/win3/uploads/what.zip (~1.3M) This contains the help compiler among other things. It is free from Microsoft. Then get these (I think these are free too) dir: /pub/pc/win3/programr files: hag.zip, whag.zip wfwhlp.zip These are shareware dir: /pub/pc/win3/util files: hwab21.zip, qdhelp.zip, qdtool.zip dir: /pub/pc/win3/winword files: drhelpev.zip (macros for word 2.0 to convert doc to hlp files). -------------------------------------------------------------------- Shiva Shenoy | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu 2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Shiva Shenoy | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu 2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082 " 7960,7,"From: pamuelle@ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) Subject: Re: Used BMW Question ..... ??? Organization: Intergraph Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr12.230031.160616@ua1ix.ua.edu> rpaturi@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Ravi) writes: > >Hi, >I am dying to get the answer for the pricing polocy of a dealer >here in San Jose, California (I moved to caal from AL) You moved from Alabama to California? My sympathies. >Year Model Description Milage Price >1991 318 Black, ""Looks"" good 46K 10.6K > 5sp manual, AC, > Cassette, Sun roof > >1989 318 White same as aboove 50K 9.6K > Make sure that they have all maintenance records. Oil should be changed every 3 months. The mileage on the cars is fine. Be sure that these have the 16 valve engine. The 8 valve 318 is a BMW in name only. Didn't you have a line on a '89 325i for 12K? Jump on it. -- Phil Mueller pamuelle@ingr.com -OR- pamuelle@nc2145.b30.ingr.com AMA: 686532 DOD: 132569 1991 Suzuki Bandit 1977 BMW R100/7 " 7961,6,From: ginkgo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (J. Geary Morton) Subject: TI-95 PROCALC + MODULES for sale Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Lines: 17 TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 PROCALC new in box w/manuals also TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 STATISTICS LIBRARY MODULE FOR PROCALC new in box w/manual and TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 CHEMICAL ENGINEERING MODULE FOR PROCALC new in box w/manual all for $100.00 + shipping contact Geary Morton phones: 919-851-6565(h) 919-549-7017(w) 7962,9,"From: random@access.digex.com (Random) Subject: Scott Erickson Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 3 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Does anyone have the scoop on Scot Erickson? How long is he going to be out for? " 7963,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 8 In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, >I've enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes >he exactly used. As a Christian sermon, it's pretty good, if not >inspired. David Koresh was born in Bethlehem ehh? " 7964,6,"From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal ) Subject: 24-pin Printer For Sale Organization: Edgewood Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil I have the Star Micronics SG 24, 24 pin printer for sale. I have used with the AMIGA and IBM computers and it works great. I will throw in a cable and vinyl cover for $150 plus shipping. First email gets it... thanx, -Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil (I have gone to a laser printer is the only reason I am selling) " 7965,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: National Crime Survey Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 19 Well, I dropped by the library yesterday, and picked up back copies of the National Crime Survey (1986-1990) in an effort to examine what it said about self-defense with a firearm. I haven't ground through much in the way of numbers yet, but a couple of things jumped out at me. First only 1986 and 1987 specify the type of weapon used in self defense. 1988, 1989, and 1990 refer only to ""weapon."" The second is that while assaults rose about 3% from 1986 to 1987, w/gun defenses reported *fell* by almost 25%. Unless there's an explanation for this, I'm tempted to mark it as a reporting problem, and as such going ahead with any examination of the numbers would be a waste of time. Anybody have an idea what might have cause a real difference, and not just a reporting difference? The survey doesn't appear to have changed significantly between 1986 and 1987. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu " 7966,15,"From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 26 In article , jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) wrote: > I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus > driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those > were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side). > Yes, and what about Paul saying: 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: (Ephesians 4:26). Obviously then, we can be angry w/o sinning. Jon ------------------------------------------------ Jon Ogden - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086 ------------------------------------------------ They drew a circle and shut him out. Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout. But Love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle and took him in. " 7967,2,"From: swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) Subject: Re: WinBench Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 12 Ok, so if everyone is cheating.. is there any tests that run some macro (to load a huge drawing, etc...) on the SAME machine that might then tell us what the REAL world results are? I mean, run the tests on the same machine with different video cards running word, excel, or something like that to see how fast the cards are? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- swyatt@brahms.udel.edu !!! no disclaimer...I blame everything on someone else ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7968,7,"From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Lines: 44 In article <1qk7t5$dg@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? > >You make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn't. A lot of >pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to >make this kind of think a lot harder to do. > >I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't >figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up, does anyone have any idea why they haven't ""bombed"" the Waco cult? Just curious. > >(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly) > >jim frost >jimf@centerline.com . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 7969,7,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 56 In callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.220105.26409@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >>In article <93Apr08.202003.27851@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >>>As a long time motorcyclist, I have never understood what >>>posessed auto builders to put delicate controls, which must >>>be used with skill and finesse, like clutches and brakes, >>>on the floor. >>> >>>Why not hand control? It's much much easier. >> >>In the early days, neither of these functions had power-assist, so >>only legs had enough strength to activate them. Since then, it's >>been traditional and people would have a hard time getting >>used to anything else. >Well, where, exactly, would you put a hand clutch and brake? On >a motorcycle, it's easy; the handlebars have a very limited >range of turning. Steering wheels, on the other hand, turn around >and around and around...which is fine for electrical relays (like >your cruise control and airbag)--but how many of you want to >lose your clutch and/or brake due to a short circuit? Shades of the Edsel! They had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub that controlled the auto tranny. It was very disconcerting to shift into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted. >There are workarounds, but there's really no reason to use hand >power on a car's clutch or brakes, and lightening them to the >point that they are ""finesse"" controls suitable for hand use >would increse the mechanical complexity substantially (look at >power brakes and non-power brakes for an example). >>I saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering >>wheel... >That's about useless, IMHO. >>>Another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks, doors, and >>>ignitions. Why on earth would you want this? >> >>I know *I* don't. >I want a separate trunk key for security reasons; it gives me a totally >separate, lockable container. For door and ignition....ehhh, the same key's >OK, I guess. > James >James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center >Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu >DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... > The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC > ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has > and all he's ever gonna have."" > --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 7970,0,"From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: Macalester College Lines: 38 In article <1qi156INNf9n@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, tcbruno@athena.mit.edu (Tom Bruno) writes: > > Wow. Leave your terminal for a few months and everyone you remember goes > away-- how depressing. Actually, there are a few familiar faces out there, > counting Bob and Kent, but I don't seem to recognize anyone else. Has anyone > heard from Graham Matthews recently, or has he gotten his degree and sailed > for Greener Pastures (tm)? > > Which brings me to the point of my posting. How many people out there have > been around alt.atheism since 1990? I've done my damnedest to stay on top of > the newsgroup, but when you fall behind, you REALLY fall behind (it's still not > as bad as rec.arts.startrek used to be, but I digress). Has anyone tried to > keep up with the deluge? Inquiring minds want to know! Also-- does anyone > keep track of where the more infamous posters to alt.atheism end up, once they > leave the newsgroup? Just curious, I guess. > > cheers, > tom bruno I am one of those people who always willl have unlimited stores of unfounded respect for people who have been on newsgroups/mailing lists longer than I have, so you certainly have my sympathy Tom. I have only been semi-regularly posting (it is TOUGHto keep up) since this February, but I have been reading and following the threads since last August: my school's newsreader was down for months and our incompetent computing services never bothered to find a new feed site, so it wasn't accepting outgoing postings. I don't think anyone keeps track of where other posters go: it's that old love 'em and leave 'em Internet for you again... best regards, ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * ******************************************************************************** " 7971,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 99 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri tes: >In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) w rites: >>> Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from >>> being screwed up in the head, given that example! >>> >>>(Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to >>>get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal >>>drugs and who IS NOT ""screwed up"" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He 's >>>not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is a n >>>immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice >>>THIS to THAT!). >> >>Hello, is there anybody in there? You think you have to pay for this idiot's >>problem now, who's going to pay for the ballooning number of addicts and >>all of the associated problems with them. I don't even want to think about >>it with Hillary in the White House and an administration that ""feels our >>pain"". > >Look, if you were truly for lower taxation and less government, you would not >be advocating the WOD. Ever wonder why the WOD is a BI-partisan issue? > >> >>No harm but to himself? What about when he drives his school bus full >>of kids into a train. When he gets stoned and drives up on a sidewalk >>and kills 5 people. When he lives off me on Welfare for the rest of his >>life. > >Ridiculous. I can't imagine anyone this stupid. Forgive me for flaming, >but this is sooooooo obvious! > >Tell me why any of the above cases cannot be caused be a legal drug, viz. >alcohol, or are you for having a War on That, too? > >Now I'll tell you: more people are killed by alcohol-related accidents >than all other drugs combined. BY FAR. > Probably because more people have access to alchohol. It IS LEGAL you know. >> >>The problem with the WOD is that it has no bite. Sending the slimy >>bastards to the chair for selling drugs to kids, now there's some bit. >> > >Yeah, that's it, send a kid from the inner-city, who has no other viable >means to make money and turns to selling drugs, to an over-crowded federal >prison where he learns to do Real Crime. > Of course, this kid would be much better off selling crack to his neighborhood and helping in its demise. >Without drug money being pumped into these blights from the (affluent) >outside, there would be no crime (who would they steal from, each other?). >Drugs bring money into the community just like any other business would, >except that, since drugs are illegal, the economy is an underground one. And if those drugs were legal, the neighborhood could legally go to hell. >A self-sustaining underground economy can only proliferate by a constant >willful infusion of money from the outside. If you take away drug laws, >you put an end to the underground economy, and therefore to large-scale >crime. > And if we made murder legal, we would put an end to murder as a crime. >Kids in the inner-cities are faced with a very tough life growing up >there, or selling drugs and having everything at their fingertips instantly. >Many kids choose selling drugs. They sell products to people who want to >buy them. They make money off of rich white kids from the suburbs. Then >they go to prison. Then they become hardened criminals, and learn that >you're much better off stealing car-stereos in the suburbs because all >the police forces are spending all their money in the inner city saving >people from themselves. What?????? > >You can bring up all the examples you want about crack-babies and whathaveyou. >The solution never has anything to do with the laws (crack is illegal). > So you are saying crack babies who are that way legally are okay? >No social problem, however great, is worth destroying the freedom in America. >The destruction of freedom is never an answer to any social problem. You can't even walk down the street at night alone in America because of drugs. Freedom my ass. Ryan " 7972,19,"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > I am not a Christian, however I suspect that all flavours of > Christianity hold that (a) objective morality exists and (b) their > particular interpretation of scripture/revelation/TV is a goodly glimpse > of it. That they may all disagree about (b) says nothing about the truth > or falsehood of (a). Actually, they generally claim that (b) their particular interpretation of scripture/revelation *is* this objective morality. That there are two conflicting versions of this objective morality does tell us something about (a). It tells us at least one fake objective morality exists. The next logical step is to deduce that any given religion's objective morality could be the fake one. So caveat emptor. mathew -- Atheism: Anti-virus software for the mind. " 7973,15,"From: b8!anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (new user) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Intergraph Lines: 24 In article , db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: |> Beyt (BCG@thor.cf.ac.uk) writes: |> |> |> 4) ""Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]"" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore, |> babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off |> from God and put in hell, Oh, that must explain Matthew 18: 1) In that hour came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, ""Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"" 2) And he called to him a little child, and set him in the midst of them, 3) and said, ""Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. 14) Even so it is not the will of your father who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. Nice thing about the Bible, you don't have to invent a bunch of convoluted rationalizations to understand it, unlike your arguments for original sin. Face it, original sin was thought up long after the Bible had been written and has no basis from the scriptures. Anthony " 7974,3,"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Joystick suggestions? Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 I'm planning on buying a joystick (first time since I sold my Amiga five years ago :) for a PC. I have no idea what kind of stick I should buy. Many people have recommended variety of Gravis'es models. Are they any good/the best? -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * " 7975,2,From: dfeldman@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (David Feldman) Subject: Trident 8900 *CL* 1280x1024 driver? Nntp-Posting-Host: lookout Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies Lines: 8 Please excuse if FAQ but... New Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support. Drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette. Windows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to configuration dialog box. Any suggestion? Thanx; please e-mail. dfeldman@uswest.com 7976,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr20.124518.886@batman.bmd.trw.com> auerbach@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >Women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men. Our new Attorney General seems determined to do so. In the past few days she has said: She hopes the King beating will not reduce public confidince in law enforcement. The tactics of using tear gas and driving tanks through walls in Waco were intended to further a ""peacefull solution"" to the crisis. Those same tactics were intended to prevent a mass suicide, but she never expected the sect to react by killing themselves. It's comforting to know, at least, that she wasn't Clinton's first choice... Frank Crary CU Boulder " 7977,1,"From: tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane) Subject: JPEG image compression: Frequently Asked Questions Summary: Useful info about JPEG (JPG) image files and programs Keywords: JPEG, image compression, FAQ Supersedes: Nntp-Posting-Host: g.gp.cs.cmu.edu Reply-To: jpeg-info@uunet.uu.net Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Expires: Sun, 16 May 1993 21:39:30 GMT Lines: 1027 Archive-name: jpeg-faq Last-modified: 18 April 1993 This FAQ article discusses JPEG image compression. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome. New since version of 3 April 1993: * New versions of Image Archiver and PMJPEG for OS/2. This article includes the following sections: [1] What is JPEG? [2] Why use JPEG? [3] When should I use JPEG, and when should I stick with GIF? [4] How well does JPEG compress images? [5] What are good ""quality"" settings for JPEG? [6] Where can I get JPEG software? [6A] ""canned"" software, viewers, etc. [6B] source code [7] What's all this hoopla about color quantization? [8] How does JPEG work? [9] What about lossless JPEG? [10] Why all the argument about file formats? [11] How do I recognize which file format I have, and what do I do about it? [12] What about arithmetic coding? [13] Does loss accumulate with repeated compression/decompression? [14] What are some rules of thumb for converting GIF images to JPEG? Sections 1-6 are basic info that every JPEG user needs to know; sections 7-14 are advanced info for the curious. This article is posted every 2 weeks. You can always find the latest version in the news.answers archive at rtfm.mit.edu (18.172.1.27). By FTP, fetch /pub/usenet/news.answers/jpeg-faq; or if you don't have FTP, send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with body ""send usenet/news.answers/jpeg-faq"". Many other FAQ articles are also stored in this archive. For more instructions on use of the archive, send e-mail to the same address with the words ""help"" and ""index"" (no quotes) on separate lines. If you don't get a reply, the server may be misreading your return address; add a line such as ""path myname@mysite"" to specify your correct e-mail address to reply to. ---------- [1] What is JPEG? JPEG (pronounced ""jay-peg"") is a standardized image compression mechanism. JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group, the original name of the committee that wrote the standard. JPEG is designed for compressing either full-color or gray-scale digital images of ""natural"", real-world scenes. It does not work so well on non-realistic images, such as cartoons or line drawings. JPEG does not handle black-and-white (1-bit-per-pixel) images, nor does it handle motion picture compression. Standards for compressing those types of images are being worked on by other committees, named JBIG and MPEG respectively. JPEG is ""lossy"", meaning that the image you get out of decompression isn't quite identical to what you originally put in. The algorithm achieves much of its compression by exploiting known limitations of the human eye, notably the fact that small color details aren't perceived as well as small details of light-and-dark. Thus, JPEG is intended for compressing images that will be looked at by humans. If you plan to machine-analyze your images, the small errors introduced by JPEG may be a problem for you, even if they are invisible to the eye. A useful property of JPEG is that the degree of lossiness can be varied by adjusting compression parameters. This means that the image maker can trade off file size against output image quality. You can make *extremely* small files if you don't mind poor quality; this is useful for indexing image archives, making thumbnail views or icons, etc. etc. Conversely, if you aren't happy with the output quality at the default compression setting, you can jack up the quality until you are satisfied, and accept lesser compression. [2] Why use JPEG? There are two good reasons: to make your image files smaller, and to store 24-bit-per-pixel color data instead of 8-bit-per-pixel data. Making image files smaller is a big win for transmitting files across networks and for archiving libraries of images. Being able to compress a 2 Mbyte full-color file down to 100 Kbytes or so makes a big difference in disk space and transmission time! (If you are comparing GIF and JPEG, the size ratio is more like four to one. More details below.) If your viewing software doesn't support JPEG directly, you'll have to convert JPEG to some other format for viewing or manipulating images. Even with a JPEG-capable viewer, it takes longer to decode and view a JPEG image than to view an image of a simpler format (GIF, for instance). Thus, using JPEG is essentially a time/space tradeoff: you give up some time in order to store or transmit an image more cheaply. It's worth noting that when network or phone transmission is involved, the time savings from transferring a shorter file can be much greater than the extra time to decompress the file. I'll let you do the arithmetic yourself. The other reason why JPEG will gradually replace GIF as a standard Usenet posting format is that JPEG can store full color information: 24 bits/pixel (16 million colors) instead of 8 or less (256 or fewer colors). If you have only 8-bit display hardware then this may not seem like much of an advantage to you. Within a couple of years, though, 8-bit GIF will look as obsolete as black-and-white MacPaint format does today. Furthermore, for reasons detailed in section 7, JPEG is far more useful than GIF for exchanging images among people with widely varying color display hardware. Hence JPEG is considerably more appropriate than GIF for use as a Usenet posting standard. [3] When should I use JPEG, and when should I stick with GIF? JPEG is *not* going to displace GIF entirely; for some types of images, GIF is superior in image quality, file size, or both. One of the first things to learn about JPEG is which kinds of images to apply it to. As a rule of thumb, JPEG is superior to GIF for storing full-color or gray-scale images of ""realistic"" scenes; that means scanned photographs and similar material. JPEG is superior even if you don't have 24-bit display hardware, and it is a LOT superior if you do. (See section 7 for details.) GIF does significantly better on images with only a few distinct colors, such as cartoons and line drawings. In particular, large areas of pixels that are all *exactly* the same color are compressed very efficiently indeed by GIF. JPEG can't squeeze these files as much as GIF does without introducing visible defects. This sort of image is best kept in GIF form. (In particular, single-color borders are quite cheap in GIF files, but they should be avoided in JPEG files.) JPEG also has a hard time with very sharp edges: a row of pure-black pixels adjacent to a row of pure-white pixels, for example. Sharp edges tend to come out blurred unless you use a very high quality setting. Again, this sort of thing is not found in scanned photographs, but it shows up fairly often in GIF files: borders, overlaid text, etc. The blurriness is particularly objectionable with text that's only a few pixels high. If you have a GIF with a lot of small-size overlaid text, don't JPEG it. Computer-drawn images (ray-traced scenes, for instance) usually fall between scanned images and cartoons in terms of complexity. The more complex and subtly rendered the image, the more likely that JPEG will do well on it. The same goes for semi-realistic artwork (fantasy drawings and such). Plain black-and-white (two level) images should never be converted to JPEG. You need at least about 16 gray levels before JPEG is useful for gray-scale images. It should also be noted that GIF is lossless for gray-scale images of up to 256 levels, while JPEG is not. If you have an existing library of GIF images, you may wonder whether you should convert them to JPEG. You will lose a little image quality if you do. (Section 7, which argues that JPEG image quality is superior to GIF, only applies if both formats start from a full-color original. If you start from a GIF, you've already irretrievably lost a great deal of information; JPEG can only make things worse.) However, the disk space savings may justify converting anyway. This is a decision you'll have to make for yourself. If you do convert a GIF library to JPEG, see section 14 for hints. Be prepared to leave some images in GIF format, since some GIFs will not convert well. [4] How well does JPEG compress images? Pretty darn well. Here are some sample file sizes for an image I have handy, a 727x525 full-color image of a ship in a harbor. The first three files are for comparison purposes; the rest were created with the free JPEG software described in section 6B. File Size in bytes Comments ship.ppm 1145040 Original file in PPM format (no compression; 24 bits or 3 bytes per pixel, plus a few bytes overhead) ship.ppm.Z 963829 PPM file passed through Unix compress compress doesn't accomplish a lot, you'll note. Other text-oriented compressors give similar results. ship.gif 240438 Converted to GIF with ppmquant -fs 256 | ppmtogif Most of the savings is the result of losing color info: GIF saves 8 bits/pixel, not 24. (See sec. 7.) ship.jpg95 155622 cjpeg -Q 95 (highest useful quality setting) This is indistinguishable from the 24-bit original, at least to my nonprofessional eyeballs. ship.jpg75 58009 cjpeg -Q 75 (default setting) You have to look mighty darn close to distinguish this from the original, even with both on-screen at once. ship.jpg50 38406 cjpeg -Q 50 This has slight defects; if you know what to look for, you could tell it's been JPEGed without seeing the original. Still as good image quality as many recent postings in Usenet pictures groups. ship.jpg25 25192 cjpeg -Q 25 JPEG's characteristic ""blockiness"" becomes apparent at this setting (djpeg -blocksmooth helps some). Still, I've seen plenty of Usenet postings that were of poorer image quality than this. ship.jpg5o 6587 cjpeg -Q 5 -optimize (-optimize cuts table overhead) Blocky, but perfectly satisfactory for preview or indexing purposes. Note that this file is TINY: the compression ratio from the original is 173:1 ! In this case JPEG can make a file that's a factor of four or five smaller than a GIF of comparable quality (the -Q 75 file is every bit as good as the GIF, better if you have a full-color display). This seems to be a typical ratio for real-world scenes. [5] What are good ""quality"" settings for JPEG? Most JPEG compressors let you pick a file size vs. image quality tradeoff by selecting a quality setting. There seems to be widespread confusion about the meaning of these settings. ""Quality 95"" does NOT mean ""keep 95% of the information"", as some have claimed. The quality scale is purely arbitrary; it's not a percentage of anything. The name of the game in using JPEG is to pick the lowest quality setting (smallest file size) that decompresses into an image indistinguishable from the original. This setting will vary from one image to another and from one observer to another, but here are some rules of thumb. The default quality setting (-Q 75) is very often the best choice. This setting is about the lowest you can go without expecting to see defects in a typical image. Try -Q 75 first; if you see defects, then go up. Except for experimental purposes, never go above -Q 95; saying -Q 100 will produce a file two or three times as large as -Q 95, but of hardly any better quality. If the image was less than perfect quality to begin with, you might be able to go down to -Q 50 without objectionable degradation. On the other hand, you might need to go to a HIGHER quality setting to avoid further degradation. The second case seems to apply much of the time when converting GIFs to JPEG. The default -Q 75 is about right for compressing 24-bit images, but -Q 85 to 95 is usually better for converting GIFs (see section 14 for more info). If you want a very small file (say for preview or indexing purposes) and are prepared to tolerate large defects, a -Q setting in the range of 5 to 10 is about right. -Q 2 or so may be amusing as ""op art"". (Note: the quality settings discussed in this article apply to the free JPEG software described in section 6B, and to many programs based on it. Other JPEG implementations, such as Image Alchemy, may use a completely different quality scale. Some programs don't even provide a numeric scale, just ""high""/""medium""/""low""-style choices.) [6] Where can I get JPEG software? Most of the programs described in this section are available by FTP. If you don't know how to use FTP, see the FAQ article ""How to find sources"". (If you don't have direct access to FTP, read about ftpmail servers in the same article.) That article appears regularly in news.answers, or you can get it by sending e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with ""send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources"" in the body. The ""Anonymous FTP List FAQ"" may also be helpful --- it's usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq in the news.answers archive. NOTE: this list changes constantly. If you have a copy more than a couple months old, get the latest JPEG FAQ from the news.answers archive. [6A] If you are looking for ""canned"" software, viewers, etc: The first part of this list is system-specific programs that only run on one kind of system. If you don't see what you want for your machine, check out the portable JPEG software described at the end of the list. Note that this list concentrates on free and shareware programs that you can obtain over Internet; but some commercial programs are listed too. X Windows: John Bradley's free XV (version 2.00 and up) is an excellent viewer for JPEG, GIF, and other image formats. It's available for FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu or ftp.cis.upenn.edu. The file is called 'xv-???.tar.Z' (where ??? is the version number, currently 2.21); it is located in the 'contrib' directory on export or the 'pub/xv' directory at upenn. XV reduces all images to 8 bits internally, which means it's not a real good choice if you have a 24-bit display (you'll still get only 8-bit color). Also, you shouldn't use XV to convert full-color images to JPEG, because they'll get color-quantized first. But XV is a fine tool for converting GIF and other 8-bit images to JPEG. CAUTION: there is a glitch in versions 2.21 and earlier: be sure to check the ""save at normal size"" checkbox when saving a JPEG file, or the file will be blurry. Another good choice for X Windows is John Cristy's free ImageMagick package, also available from export.lcs.mit.edu, file contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z. This package handles many image processing and conversion tasks. The ImageMagick viewer handles 24-bit displays correctly; for colormapped displays, it does better (though slower) color quantization than XV or the basic free JPEG software. Both of the above are large, complex packages. If you just want a simple image viewer, try xloadimage or xli. xloadimage supports JPEG in its latest release, 3.03. xloadimage is free and available from export.lcs.mit.edu, file contrib/xloadimage.3.03.tar.Z. xli is a variant version of xloadimage, said by its fans to be somewhat faster and more robust than the original. (The current xli is indeed faster and more robust than the current xloadimage, at least with respect to JPEG files, because it has the IJG v4 decoder while xloadimage 3.03 is using a hacked-over v1. The next xloadimage release will fix this.) xli is also free and available from export.lcs.mit.edu, file contrib/xli.1.14.tar.Z. Both programs are said to do the right thing with 24-bit displays. MS-DOS: This covers plain DOS; for Windows or OS/2 programs, see the next headings. One good choice is Eric Praetzel's free DVPEG, which views JPEG and GIF files. The current version, 2.4a, is available by FTP from sunee.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.50.50), file pub/jpeg/viewers/dvpeg24a.zip. This is a good basic viewer that works on either 286 or 386/486 machines. The user interface is not flashy, but it's functional. Another freeware JPEG/GIF/TGA viewer is Mohammad Rezaei's Hiview. The current version, 1.2, is available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/hv12.zip. Hiview requires a 386 or better CPU and a VCPI-compatible memory manager (QEMM386 and 386MAX work; Windows and OS/2 do not). Hiview is currently the fastest viewer for images that are no bigger than your screen. For larger images, it scales the image down to fit on the screen (rather than using panning/scrolling as most viewers do). You may or may not prefer this approach, but there's no denying that it slows down loading of large images considerably. Note: installation is a bit tricky; read the directions carefully! A shareware alternative is ColorView for DOS ($30). This is easier to install than either of the two freeware alternatives. Its user interface is also much spiffier-looking, although personally I find it harder to use --- more keystrokes, inconsistent behavior. It is faster than DVPEG but a little slower than Hiview, at least on my hardware. (For images larger than screen size, DVPEG and ColorView seem to be about the same speed, and both are faster than Hiview.) The current version is 2.1, available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/dcview21.zip. Requires a VESA graphics driver; if you don't have one, look in vesadrv2.zip or vesa-tsr.zip from the same directory. (Many recent PCs have a built-in VESA driver, so don't try to load a VESA driver unless ColorView complains that the driver is missing.) A second shareware alternative is Fullview, which has been kicking around the net for a while, but I don't know any stable archive location for it. The current (rather old) version is inferior to the above viewers anyway. The author tells me that a new version of Fullview will be out shortly and it will be submitted to the Simtel20 archives at that time. The well-known GIF viewer CompuShow (CSHOW) supports JPEG in its latest revision, 8.60a. However, CSHOW's JPEG implementation isn't very good: it's slow (about half the speed of the above viewers) and image quality is poor except on hi-color displays. Too bad ... it'd have been nice to see a good JPEG capability in CSHOW. Shareware, $25. Available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/gif/cshw860a.zip. Due to the remarkable variety of PC graphics hardware, any one of these viewers might not work on your particular machine. If you can't get *any* of them to work, you'll need to use one of the following conversion programs to convert JPEG to GIF, then view with your favorite GIF viewer. (If you have hi-color hardware, don't use GIF as the intermediate format; try to find a TARGA-capable viewer instead. VPIC5.0 is reputed to do the right thing with hi-color displays.) The Independent JPEG Group's free JPEG converters are FTPable from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/jpeg4.zip (or jpeg4386.zip if you have a 386 and extended memory). These files are DOS compilations of the free source code described in section 6B; they will convert JPEG to and from GIF, Targa, and PPM formats. Handmade Software offers free JPEG<=>GIF conversion tools, GIF2JPG/JPG2GIF. These are slow and are limited to conversion to and from GIF format; in particular, you can't get 24-bit color output from a JPEG. The major advantage of these tools is that they will read and write HSI's proprietary JPEG format as well as the Usenet-standard JFIF format. Since HSI-format files are rather widespread on BBSes, this is a useful capability. Version 2.0 of these tools is free (prior versions were shareware). Get it from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/gif2jpg2.zip. NOTE: do not use HSI format for files to be posted on Internet, since it is not readable on non-PC platforms. Handmade Software also has a shareware image conversion and manipulation package, Image Alchemy. This will translate JPEG files (both JFIF and HSI formats) to and from many other image formats. It can also display images. A demo version of Image Alchemy version 1.6.1 is available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE below), file msdos/graphics/alch161.zip. NOTE ABOUT SIMTEL20: The Internet's key archive site for PC-related programs is Simtel20, full name wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (192.88.110.20). Simtel20 runs a non-Unix system with weird directory names; where this document refers to directory (eg) ""msdos/graphics"" at Simtel20, that really means ""pd1:"". If you are not physically on MILnet, you should expect rather slow FTP transfer rates from Simtel20. There are several Internet sites that maintain copies (mirrors) of the Simtel20 archives; most FTP users should go to one of the mirror sites instead. A popular USA mirror site is oak.oakland.edu (141.210.10.117), which keeps Simtel20 files in (eg) ""/pub/msdos/graphics"". If you have no FTP capability, you can retrieve files from Simtel20 by e-mail; see informational postings in comp.archives.msdos.announce to find out how. If you are outside the USA, consult the same newsgroup to learn where your nearest Simtel20 mirror is. Microsoft Windows: There are several Windows programs capable of displaying JPEG images. (Windows viewers are generally slower than DOS viewers on the same hardware, due to Windows' system overhead. Note that you can run the DOS conversion programs described above inside a Windows DOS window.) The newest entry is WinECJ, which is free and EXTREMELY fast. Version 1.0 is available from ftp.rahul.net, file /pub/bryanw/pc/jpeg/wecj.zip. Requires Windows 3.1 and 256-or-more-colors mode. This is a no-frills viewer with the bad habit of hogging the machine completely while it decodes; and the image quality is noticeably worse than other viewers. But it's so fast you'll use it anyway, at least for previewing... JView is freeware, fairly fast, has good on-line help, and can write out the decompressed image in Windows BMP format; but it can't create new JPEG files, and it doesn't view GIFs. JView also lacks some other useful features of the shareware viewers (such as brightness adjustment), but it's an excellent basic viewer. The current version, 0.9, is available from ftp.cica.indiana.edu (129.79.20.84), file pub/pc/win3/desktop/jview090.zip. (Mirrors of this archive can be found at some other Internet sites, including wuarchive.wustl.edu.) WinJPEG (shareware, $20) displays JPEG,GIF,Targa,TIFF, and BMP image files; it can write all of these formats too, so it can be used as a converter. It has some other nifty features including color-balance adjustment and slideshow. The current version is 2.1, available from Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE above), file msdos/windows3/winjp210.zip. (This is a slow 286-compatible version; if you register, you'll get the 386-only version, which is roughly 25% faster.) ColorView is another shareware entry ($30). This was an early and promising contender, but it has not been updated in some time, and at this point it has no real advantages over WinJPEG. If you want to try it anyway, the current version is 0.97, available from ftp.cica.indiana.edu, file pub/pc/win3/desktop/cview097.zip. (I understand that a new version will be appearing once the authors are finished with ColorView for DOS.) DVPEG (see DOS heading) also works under Windows, but only in full-screen mode, not in a window. OS/2: The following files are available from hobbes.nmsu.edu (128.123.35.151). Note: check /pub/uploads for more recent versions --- the hobbes moderator is not very fast about moving uploads into their permanent directories. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/jpegv4.zip 32-bit version of free IJG conversion programs, version 4. /pub/os2/all/graphics/jpeg4-16.zip 16-bit version of same, for OS/2 1.x. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/imgarc11.zip Image Archiver 1.01: image conversion/viewing with PM graphical interface. Strong on conversion functions, viewing is a bit weaker. Shareware, $15. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/pmjpeg11.zip PMJPEG 1.1: OS/2 2.x port of WinJPEG, a popular viewer for Windows (see description in Windows section). Shareware, $20. /pub/os2/2.x/graphics/pmview84.zip PMView 0.84: JPEG/GIF/BMP viewer. GIF viewing very fast, JPEG viewing fast if you have huge amounts of RAM, otherwise about the same speed as the above programs. Strong 24-bit display support. Shareware, $20. Macintosh: Most Mac JPEG programs rely on Apple's JPEG implementation, which is part of the QuickTime system extension; so you need to have QuickTime installed. To use QuickTime, you need a 68020 or better CPU and you need to be running System 6.0.7 or later. (If you're running System 6, you must also install the 32-bit QuickDraw extension; this is built-in on System 7.) You can get QuickTime by FTP from ftp.apple.com, file dts/mac/quicktime/quicktime.hqx. (As of 11/92, this file contains QuickTime 1.5, which is better than QT 1.0 in several ways. With respect to JPEG, it is marginally faster and considerably less prone to crash when fed a corrupt JPEG file. However, some applications seem to have compatibility problems with QT 1.5.) Mac users should keep in mind that QuickTime's JPEG format, PICT/JPEG, is not the same as the Usenet-standard JFIF JPEG format. (See section 10 for details.) If you post images on Usenet, make sure they are in JFIF format. Most of the programs mentioned below can generate either format. The first choice is probably JPEGView, a free program for viewing images that are in JFIF format, PICT/JPEG format, or GIF format. It also can convert between the two JPEG formats. The current version, 2.0, is a big improvement over prior versions. Get it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6), file /info-mac/app/jpeg-view-20.hqx. Requires System 7 and QuickTime. On 8-bit displays, JPEGView usually produces the best color image quality of all the currently available Mac JPEG viewers. JPEGView can view large images in much less memory than other Mac viewers; in fact, it's the only one that can deal with JPEG images much over 640x480 pixels on a typical 4MB Mac. Given a large image, JPEGView automatically scales it down to fit on the screen, rather than presenting scroll bars like most other viewers. (You can zoom in on any desired portion, though.) Some people like this behavior, some don't. Overall, JPEGView's user interface is very well thought out. GIFConverter, a shareware ($40) image viewer/converter, supports JFIF and PICT/JPEG, as well as GIF and several other image formats. The latest version is 2.3.2. Get it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, file /info-mac/art/gif/gif-converter-232.hqx. Requires System 6.0.5 or later. GIFConverter is not better than JPEGView as a plain JPEG/GIF viewer, but it has much more extensive image manipulation and format conversion capabilities, so you may find it worth its shareware fee if you do a lot of playing around with images. Also, the newest version of GIFConverter can load and save JFIF images *without* QuickTime, so it is your best bet if your machine is too old to run QuickTime. (But it's faster with QuickTime.) Note: If GIFConverter runs out of memory trying to load a large JPEG, try converting the file to GIF with JPEG Convert, then viewing the GIF version. JPEG Convert, a Mac version of the free IJG JPEG conversion utilities, is available from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, file /info-mac/app/jpeg-convert-10.hqx. This will run on any Mac, but it only does file conversion, not viewing. You can use it in conjunction with any GIF viewer. Previous versions of this FAQ recommended Imagery JPEG v0.6, a JPEG<=>GIF converter based on an old version of the IJG code. If you are using this program, you definitely should replace it with JPEG Convert. Apple's free program PictPixie can view images in JFIF, QuickTime JPEG, and GIF format, and can convert between these formats. You can get PictPixie from ftp.apple.com, file dts/mac/quicktime/qt.1.0.stuff/pictpixie.hqx. Requires QuickTime. PictPixie was intended as a developer's tool, and it's really not the best choice unless you like to fool around with QuickTime. Some of its drawbacks are that it requires lots of memory, it produces relatively poor color image quality on anything less than a 24-bit display, and it has a relatively unfriendly user interface. Worse, PictPixie is an unsupported program, meaning it has some minor bugs that Apple does not intend to fix. (There is an old version of PictPixie, called PICTCompressor, floating around the net. If you have this you should trash it, as it's even buggier. Also, the QuickTime Starter Kit includes a much cleaned-up descendant of PictPixie called Picture Compressor. Note that Picture Compressor is NOT free and may not be distributed on the net.) Storm Technology's Picture Decompress is a free JPEG viewer/converter. This rather old program is inferior to the above programs in many ways, but it will run without System 7 or QuickTime, so you may be forced to use it on older systems. (It does need 32-bit QuickDraw, so really old machines can't use it.) You can get it from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, file /info-mac/app/picture-decompress-201.hqx. You must set the file type of a downloaded image file to 'JPEG' to allow Picture Decompress to open it. If your machine is too old to run 32-bit QuickDraw (a Mac Plus for instance), GIFConverter is your only choice for single-program JPEG viewing. If you don't want to pay for GIFConverter, use JPEG Convert and a free GIF viewer. More and more commercial Mac applications are supporting JPEG, although not all can deal with the Usenet-standard JFIF format. Adobe Photoshop, version 2.0.1 or later, can read and write JFIF-format JPEG files (use the JPEG plug-in from the Acquire menu). You must set the file type of a downloaded JPEG file to 'JPEG' to allow Photoshop to recognize it. Amiga: (Most programs listed in this section are stored in the AmiNet archive at amiga.physik.unizh.ch (130.60.80.80). There are many mirror sites of this archive and you should try to use the closest one. In the USA, a good choice is wuarchive.wustl.edu; look under /mirrors/amiga.physik.unizh.ch/...) HamLab Plus is an excellent JPEG viewer/converter, as well as being a general image manipulation tool. It's cheap (shareware, $20) and can read several formats besides JPEG. The current version is 2.0.8. A demo version is available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites), file amiga/gfx/edit/hamlab208d.lha. The demo version will crop images larger than 512x512, but it is otherwise fully functional. Rend24 (shareware, $30) is an image renderer that can display JPEG, ILBM, and GIF images. The program can be used to create animations, even capturing frames on-the-fly from rendering packages like Lightwave. The current version is 1.05, available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites), file amiga/os30/gfx/rend105.lha. (Note: although this directory is supposedly for AmigaDOS 3.0 programs, the program will also run under AmigaDOS 1.3, 2.04 or 2.1.) Viewtek is a free JPEG/ILBM/GIF/ANIM viewer. The current version is 1.04, available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites), file amiga/gfx/show/ViewTek104.lha. If you're willing to spend real money, there are several commercial packages that support JPEG. Two are written by Thomas Krehbiel, the author of Rend24 and Viewtek. These are CineMorph, a standalone image morphing package, and ImageFX, an impressive 24-bit image capture, conversion, editing, painting, effects and prepress package that also includes CineMorph. Both are distributed by Great Valley Products. Art Department Professional (ADPro), from ASDG Inc, is the most widely used commercial image manipulation software for Amigas. ImageMaster, from Black Belt Systems, is another well-regarded commercial graphics package with JPEG support. The free IJG JPEG software is available compiled for Amigas from amiga.physik.unizh.ch (and mirror sites) in directory amiga/gfx/conv, file AmigaJPEGV4.lha. These programs convert JPEG to/from PPM,GIF,Targa formats. The Amiga world is heavily infested with quick-and-dirty JPEG programs, many based on an ancient beta-test version of the free IJG JPEG software (thanks to a certain magazine that published same on its disk-of-the-month, without so much as notifying the authors). Among these are ""AugJPEG"", ""NewAmyJPEG"", ""VJPEG"", and probably others I have not even heard of. In my opinion, anything older than IJG version 3 (March 1992) is not worth the disk space it's stored on; if you have such a program, trash it and get something newer. Atari ST: The free IJG JPEG software is available compiled for Atari ST, TT, etc, from atari.archive.umich.edu, file /atari/Graphics/jpeg4bin.zoo. These programs convert JPEG to/from PPM, GIF, Targa formats. I have not heard of any free or shareware JPEG-capable viewer for Ataris, but surely there must be one by now? Pointers appreciated. Acorn Archimedes: !ChangeFSI, supplied with RISC OS 3 version 3.10, can convert from and view JPEG JFIF format. Provision is also made to convert images to JPEG, although this must be done from the CLI rather than by double-clicking. Recent versions (since 7.11) of the shareware program Translator can handle JPEG, along with about 30 other image formats. While older versions can be found on some Archimedes bboards, the current version is only available by registering with the author, John Kortink, Nutterbrink 31, 7544 WJ, Enschede, The Netherlands. Price 35 Dutch guilders (about $22 or 10 pounds). There's also a commercial product called !JPEG which provides JPEG read/write functionality and direct JPEG viewing, as well as a host of other image format conversion and processing options. This is more expensive but not necessarily better than the above programs. Contact: DT Software, FREEPOST, Cambridge, UK. Tel: 0223 841099. Portable software for almost any system: If none of the above fits your situation, you can obtain and compile the free JPEG conversion software described in 6B. You'll also need a viewer program. If your display is 8 bits or less, any GIF viewer will do fine; if you have a display with more color capability, try to find a viewer that can read Targa or PPM 24-bit image files. There are numerous commercial JPEG offerings, with more popping up every day. I recommend that you not spend money on one of these unless you find the available free or shareware software vastly too slow. In that case, purchase a hardware-assisted product. Ask pointed questions about whether the product complies with the final JPEG standard and about whether it can handle the JFIF file format; many of the earliest commercial releases are not and never will be compatible with anyone else's files. [6B] If you are looking for source code to work with: Free, portable C code for JPEG compression is available from the Independent JPEG Group, which I lead. A package containing our source code, documentation, and some small test files is available from several places. The ""official"" archive site for this source code is ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9 or 192.48.96.9). Look under directory /graphics/jpeg; the current release is jpegsrc.v4.tar.Z. (This is a compressed TAR file; don't forget to retrieve in binary mode.) You can retrieve this file by FTP or UUCP. If you are on a PC and don't know how to cope with .tar.Z format, you may prefer ZIP format, which you can find at Simtel20 and mirror sites (see NOTE above), file msdos/graphics/jpegsrc4.zip. This file will also be available on CompuServe, in the GRAPHSUPPORT forum (GO PICS), library 15, as jpsrc4.zip. If you have no FTP access, you can retrieve the source from your nearest comp.sources.misc archive; version 4 appeared as issues 55-72 of volume 34. (If you don't know how to retrieve comp.sources.misc postings, see the FAQ article ""How to find sources"", referred to at the top of section 6.) The free JPEG code provides conversion between JPEG ""JFIF"" format and image files in GIF, PBMPLUS PPM/PGM, Utah RLE, and Truevision Targa file formats. The core compression and decompression modules can easily be reused in other programs, such as image viewers. The package is highly portable; we have tested it on many machines ranging from PCs to Crays. We have released this software for both noncommercial and commercial use. Companies are welcome to use it as the basis for JPEG-related products. We do not ask a royalty, although we do ask for an acknowledgement in product literature (see the README file in the distribution for details). We hope to make this software industrial-quality --- although, as with anything that's free, we offer no warranty and accept no liability. The Independent JPEG Group is a volunteer organization; if you'd like to contribute to improving our software, you are welcome to join. [7] What's all this hoopla about color quantization? Most people don't have full-color (24 bit per pixel) display hardware. Typical display hardware stores 8 or fewer bits per pixel, so it can display 256 or fewer distinct colors at a time. To display a full-color image, the computer must map the image into an appropriate set of representative colors. This process is called ""color quantization"". (This is something of a misnomer, ""color selection"" would be a better term. We're stuck with the standard usage though.) Clearly, color quantization is a lossy process. It turns out that for most images, the details of the color quantization algorithm have MUCH more impact on the final image quality than do any errors introduced by JPEG (except at the very lowest JPEG quality settings). Since JPEG is a full-color format, converting a color JPEG image for display on 8-bit-or-less hardware requires color quantization. This is true for *all* color JPEGs: even if you feed a 256-or-less-color GIF into JPEG, what comes out of the decompressor is *not* 256 colors, but thousands of colors. This happens because JPEG's lossiness affects each pixel a little differently, so two pixels that started with identical colors will probably come out with slightly different colors. Each original color gets ""smeared"" into a group of nearby colors. Therefore quantization is always required to display a color JPEG on a colormapped display, regardless of the image source. The only way to avoid quantization is to ask for gray-scale output. (Incidentally, because of this effect it's nearly meaningless to talk about the number of colors used by a JPEG image. Even if you attempted to count the number of distinct pixel values, different JPEG decoders would give you different results because of roundoff error differences. I occasionally see posted images described as ""256-color JPEG"". This tells me that the poster (a) hasn't read this FAQ and (b) probably converted the JPEG from a GIF. JPEGs can be classified as color or gray-scale (just like photographs), but number of colors just isn't a useful concept for JPEG.) On the other hand, a GIF image by definition has already been quantized to 256 or fewer colors. (A GIF *does* have a definite number of colors in its palette, and the format doesn't allow more than 256 palette entries.) For purposes of Usenet picture distribution, GIF has the advantage that the sender precomputes the color quantization, so recipients don't have to. This is also the *disadvantage* of GIF: you're stuck with the sender's quantization. If the sender quantized to a different number of colors than what you can display, you have to re-quantize, resulting in much poorer image quality than if you had quantized once from a full-color image. Furthermore, if the sender didn't use a high-quality color quantization algorithm, you're out of luck. For this reason, JPEG offers the promise of significantly better image quality for all users whose machines don't match the sender's display hardware. JPEG's full color image can be quantized to precisely match the user's display hardware. Furthermore, you will be able to take advantage of future improvements in quantization algorithms (there is a lot of active research in this area), or purchase better display hardware, to get a better view of JPEG images you already have. With a GIF, you're stuck forevermore with what was sent. It's also worth mentioning that many GIF-viewing programs include rather shoddy quantization routines. If you view a 256-color GIF on a 16-color EGA display, for example, you are probably getting a much worse image than you need to. This is partly an inevitable consequence of doing two color quantizations (one to create the GIF, one to display it), but often it's also due to sloppiness. JPEG conversion programs will be forced to use high quality quantizers in order to get acceptable results at all, and in normal use they will quantize directly to the number of colors to be displayed. Thus, JPEG is likely to provide better results than the average GIF program for low-color-resolution displays as well as high-resolution ones! Finally, an ever-growing number of people have better-than-8-bit display hardware already: 15-bit ""hi-color"" PC displays, true 24-bit displays on workstations and Macintoshes, etc. For these people, GIF is already obsolete, as it cannot represent an image to the full capabilities of their display. JPEG images can drive these displays much more effectively. Thus, JPEG is an all-around better choice than GIF for representing images in a machine-independent fashion. [8] How does JPEG work? The buzz-words to know are chrominance subsampling, discrete cosine transforms, coefficient quantization, and Huffman or arithmetic entropy coding. This article's long enough already, so I'm not going to say more than that here. For technical information, see the comp.compression FAQ. This is available from the news.answers archive at rtfm.mit.edu, in files /pub/usenet/news.answers/compression-faq/part[1-3]. If you need help in using the news.answers archive, see the top of this article. [9] What about lossless JPEG? There's a great deal of confusion on this subject. The JPEG committee did define a truly lossless compression algorithm, i.e., one that guarantees the final output is bit-for-bit identical to the original input. However, this lossless mode has almost nothing in common with the regular, lossy JPEG algorithm, and it offers much less compression. At present, very few implementations of lossless JPEG exist, and all of them are commercial. Saying ""-Q 100"" to the free JPEG software DOES NOT get you a lossless image. What it does get rid of is deliberate information loss in the coefficient quantization step. There is still a good deal of information loss in the color subsampling step. (With the V4 free JPEG code, you can also say ""-sample 1x1"" to turn off subsampling. Keep in mind that many commercial JPEG implementations cannot cope with the resulting file.) Even with both quantization and subsampling turned off, the regular JPEG algorithm is not lossless, because it is subject to roundoff errors in various calculations. The maximum error is a few counts in any one pixel value; it's highly unlikely that this could be perceived by the human eye, but it might be a concern if you are doing machine processing of an image. At this minimum-loss setting, regular JPEG produces files that are perhaps half the size of an uncompressed 24-bit-per-pixel image. True lossless JPEG provides roughly the same amount of compression, but it guarantees bit-for-bit accuracy. If you have an application requiring lossless storage of images with less than 6 bits per pixel (per color component), you may want to look into the JBIG bilevel image compression standard. This performs better than JPEG lossless on such images. JPEG lossless is superior to JBIG on images with 6 or more bits per pixel; furthermore, JPEG is public domain (at least with a Huffman back end), while the JBIG techniques are heavily covered by patents. [10] Why all the argument about file formats? Strictly speaking, JPEG refers only to a family of compression algorithms; it does *not* refer to a specific image file format. The JPEG committee was prevented from defining a file format by turf wars within the international standards organizations. Since we can't actually exchange images with anyone else unless we agree on a common file format, this leaves us with a problem. In the absence of official standards, a number of JPEG program writers have just gone off to ""do their own thing"", and as a result their programs aren't compatible with anybody else's. The closest thing we have to a de-facto standard JPEG format is some work that's been coordinated by people at C-Cube Microsystems. They have defined two JPEG-based file formats: * JFIF (JPEG File Interchange Format), a ""low-end"" format that transports pixels and not much else. * TIFF/JPEG, aka TIFF 6.0, an extension of the Aldus TIFF format. TIFF is a ""high-end"" format that will let you record just about everything you ever wanted to know about an image, and a lot more besides :-). TIFF is a lot more complex than JFIF, and may well prove less transportable, because different vendors have historically implemented slightly different and incompatible subsets of TIFF. It's not likely that adding JPEG to the mix will do anything to improve this situation. Both of these formats were developed with input from all the major vendors of JPEG-related products; it's reasonably likely that future commercial products will adhere to one or both standards. I believe that Usenet should adopt JFIF as the replacement for GIF in picture postings. JFIF is simpler than TIFF and is available now; the TIFF 6.0 spec has only recently been officially adopted, and it is still unusably vague on some crucial details. Even when TIFF/JPEG is well defined, the JFIF format is likely to be a widely supported ""lowest common denominator""; TIFF/JPEG files may never be as transportable. A particular case that people may be interested in is Apple's QuickTime software for the Macintosh. QuickTime uses a JFIF-compatible format wrapped inside the Mac-specific PICT structure. Conversion between JFIF and QuickTime JPEG is pretty straightforward, and several Mac programs are available to do it (see Mac portion of section 6A). If you have an editor that handles binary files, you can strip a QuickTime JPEG PICT down to JFIF by hand; see section 11 for details. Another particular case is Handmade Software's programs (GIF2JPG/JPG2GIF and Image Alchemy). These programs are capable of reading and writing JFIF format. By default, though, they write a proprietary format developed by HSI. This format is NOT readable by any non-HSI programs and should not be used for Usenet postings. Use the -j switch to get JFIF output. (This applies to old versions of these programs; the current releases emit JFIF format by default. You still should be careful not to post HSI-format files, unless you want to get flamed by people on non-PC platforms.) [11] How do I recognize which file format I have, and what do I do about it? If you have an alleged JPEG file that your software won't read, it's likely to be HSI format or some other proprietary JPEG-based format. You can tell what you have by inspecting the first few bytes of the file: 1. A JFIF-standard file will start with the characters (hex) FF D8 FF E0, followed by two variable bytes (often hex 00 10), followed by 'JFIF'. 2. If you see FF D8 at the start, but not the rest of it, you may have a ""raw JPEG"" file. This is probably decodable as-is by JFIF software --- it's worth a try, anyway. 3. HSI files start with 'hsi1'. You're out of luck unless you have HSI software. Portions of the file may look like plain JPEG data, but they won't decompress properly with non-HSI programs. 4. A Macintosh PICT file, if JPEG-compressed, will have a couple hundred bytes of header followed by a JFIF header (scan for 'JFIF'). Strip off everything before the FF D8 and you should be able to read it. 5. Anything else: it's a proprietary format, or not JPEG at all. If you are lucky, the file may consist of a header and a raw JPEG data stream. If you can identify the start of the JPEG data stream (look for FF D8), try stripping off everything before that. In uuencoded Usenet postings, the characteristic JFIF pattern is ""begin"" line M_]C_X ... whereas uuencoded HSI files will start with ""begin"" line M:'-I ... If you learn to check for the former, you can save yourself the trouble of downloading non-JFIF files. [12] What about arithmetic coding? The JPEG spec defines two different ""back end"" modules for the final output of compressed data: either Huffman coding or arithmetic coding is allowed. The choice has no impact on image quality, but arithmetic coding usually produces a smaller compressed file. On typical images, arithmetic coding produces a file 5 or 10 percent smaller than Huffman coding. (All the file-size numbers previously cited are for Huffman coding.) Unfortunately, the particular variant of arithmetic coding specified by the JPEG standard is subject to patents owned by IBM, AT&T, and Mitsubishi. Thus *you cannot legally use arithmetic coding* unless you obtain licenses from these companies. (The ""fair use"" doctrine allows people to implement and test the algorithm, but actually storing any images with it is dubious at best.) At least in the short run, I recommend that people not worry about arithmetic coding; the space savings isn't great enough to justify the potential legal hassles. In particular, arithmetic coding *should not* be used for any images to be exchanged on Usenet. There is some small chance that the legal situation may change in the future. Stay tuned for further details. [13] Does loss accumulate with repeated compression/decompression? It would be nice if, having compressed an image with JPEG, you could decompress it, manipulate it (crop off a border, say), and recompress it without any further image degradation beyond what you lost initially. Unfortunately THIS IS NOT THE CASE. In general, recompressing an altered image loses more information, though usually not as much as was lost the first time around. The next best thing would be that if you decompress an image and recompress it *without changing it* then there is no further loss, i.e., you get an identical JPEG file. Even this is not true; at least, not with the current free JPEG software. It's essentially a problem of accumulation of roundoff error. If you repeatedly compress and decompress, the image will eventually degrade to where you can see visible changes from the first-generation output. (It usually takes many such cycles to get visible change.) One of the things on our to-do list is to see if accumulation of error can be avoided or limited, but I am not optimistic about it. In any case, the most that could possibly be guaranteed would be that compressing the unmodified full-color output of djpeg, at the original quality setting, would introduce no further loss. Even such simple changes as cropping off a border could cause further roundoff-error degradation. (If you're wondering why, it's because the pixel-block boundaries move. If you cropped off only multiples of 16 pixels, you might be safe, but that's a mighty limited capability!) The bottom line is that JPEG is a useful format for archival storage and transmission of images, but you don't want to use it as an intermediate format for sequences of image manipulation steps. Use a lossless format (PPM, RLE, TIFF, etc) while working on the image, then JPEG it when you are ready to file it away. Aside from avoiding degradation, you will save a lot of compression/decompression time this way :-). [14] What are some rules of thumb for converting GIF images to JPEG? As stated earlier, you *will* lose some amount of image information if you convert an existing GIF image to JPEG. If you can obtain the original full-color data the GIF was made from, it's far better to make a JPEG from that. But if you need to save space and have only the GIF to work from, here are some suggestions for getting maximum space savings with minimum loss of quality. The first rule when converting a GIF library is to look at each JPEG, to make sure you are happy with it, before throwing away the corresponding GIF; that will give you a chance to re-do the conversion with a higher quality setting if necessary. Some GIFs may be better left as GIFs, as explained in section 3; in particular, cartoon-type GIFs with sixteen or fewer colors don't convert well. You may find that a JPEG file of reasonable quality will be *larger* than the GIF. (So check the sizes too.) Experience to date suggests that large, high-visual-quality GIFs are the best candidates for conversion to JPEG. They chew up the most storage so offer the most potential savings, and they convert to JPEG with least degradation. Don't waste your time converting any GIF much under 100 Kbytes. Also, don't expect JPEG files converted from GIFs to be as small as those created directly from full-color originals. To maintain image quality you may have to let the converted files be as much as twice as big as straight-through JPEG files would be (i.e., shoot for 1/2 or 1/3rd the size of the GIF file, not 1/4th as suggested in earlier comparisons). Many people have developed an odd habit of putting a large constant-color border around a GIF image. While useless, this was nearly free in terms of storage cost in GIF files. It is NOT free in JPEG files, and the sharp border boundary can create visible artifacts (""ghost"" edges). Do yourself a favor and crop off any border before JPEGing. (If you are on an X Windows system, XV's manual and automatic cropping functions are a very painless way to do this.) cjpeg's default Q setting of 75 is appropriate for full-color input, but for GIF inputs, Q settings of 85 to 95 often seem to be necessary to avoid image degradation. (If you apply smoothing as suggested below, the higher Q setting may not be necessary.) Color GIFs of photographs or complex artwork are usually ""dithered"" to fool your eye into seeing more than the 256 colors that GIF can actually store. If you enlarge the image, you will see that adjacent pixels are often of significantly different colors; at normal size the eye averages these pixels together to produce the illusion of an intermediate color value. The trouble with dithering is that, to JPEG, it looks like high-spatial-frequency color noise; and JPEG can't compress noise very well. The resulting JPEG file is both larger and of lower image quality than what you would have gotten from JPEGing the original full color image (if you had it). To get around this, you want to ""smooth"" the GIF image before compression. Smoothing averages together nearby pixels, thus approximating the color that you thought you saw anyway, and in the process getting rid of the rapid color changes that give JPEG trouble. Appropriate use of smoothing will often let you avoid using a high Q factor, thus further reducing the size of the compressed file, while still obtaining a better-looking output image than you'd get without smoothing. With the V4 free JPEG software (or products based on it), a simple smoothing capability is built in. Try ""-smooth 10"" or so when converting GIFs. Values of 10 to 25 seem to work well for high-quality GIFs. Heavy-handed dithering may require larger smoothing factors. (If you can see regular fine-scale patterns on the GIF image even without enlargement, then strong smoothing is definitely called for.) Too large a smoothing factor will blur the output image, which you don't want. If you are an image processing wizard, you can also do smoothing with a separate filtering program, such as pnmconvol from the PBMPLUS package. However, cjpeg's built-in smoother is a LOT faster than pnmconvol... The upshot of all this is that ""cjpeg -quality 85 -smooth 10"" is probably a good starting point for converting GIFs. But if you really care about the image, you'll want to check the results and maybe try a few other settings. --------------------- For more information about JPEG in general or the free JPEG software in particular, contact the Independent JPEG Group at jpeg-info@uunet.uu.net. -- tom lane organizer, Independent JPEG Group Internet: tgl@cs.cmu.edu BITNET: tgl%cs.cmu.edu@carnegie " 7978,5,"From: hdr@ross.COM (Henry D. Reynolds) Subject: X11R5 on Sun4/110 cg2 comes up Mono Nntp-Posting-Host: mowog Organization: ROSS Technology, Inc. Austin, Tx. Lines: 14 The 4/100 prints out the following message about it's framebuffer cgtwo0 at vme24d16 0x400000 vec 0xa8 cgtwo0: Sun-3 color board, fast read Anybody know the story on this? -- - Can I have an IMPULSE ITEM instead? Henry D. Reynolds hdr@ross.com -OR- hdr@nidhog.cactus.org FONE: (512)892-7802 x253 ROSS Technology, Inc. FAX: (512)892-3036 5316 Hwy 290 West Suite 500 Austin, TX 78735 " 7979,4,"From: u8121520@cc.nctu.edu.tw () Subject: hi:could I join? Organization: National Chiao Tung University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 7 Hi: Does anybody known how much about to buy an ethernet card for mac se ? Besides,Where do I goto buy.If I buy it by mail-order,which brand is suitable for mac se(the network is coxial wire).Thanks a lot. Could anybody tell me what to do? Thank you. " 7980,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Need tone decoder circuit Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 14 In article <5170286@hplsla.hp.com> tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) writes: >>Does anybody out there have a circuit that will decode a 1000Hz tone? > >Use a NE567 tone decoder PLL chip... My impression -- it's not an area I've played with much -- is that the much-beloved NE567 is basically obsolete. If you want to detect a 1kHz tone, set a switched-capacitor filter chip to that frequency, feed your input to it, and see if anything comes out the other end. The NE567 was what you used when good clean bandpass filters were hard to do; nowadays they're easy, and the results are better. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 7981,17,"From: ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) Subject: A Moment Of Silence Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc14.ucsd.edu April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members by the Turkish government between 1915 and 1920. At least 1.5 Million Armenians perished during that period, and it is important to note that those who deny that this event ever took place, either supported the policy of 1915 to exterminate the Armenians, or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see it happen again... Thank you for taking the time to read this post. -Helgge " 7982,16,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com >>This is a stretch. In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were >>Christian, a great many. It would be simpler to state the obvious, that >>white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened. I really >>don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion. >My Native American Girlfriend asks: ""If the government really doesn't >'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still >busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places? >You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church >at gunpoint."" Are you saying that the Indians who became Christians did so because the US Army marched them into church at gunpoint? This will be news to the Indians of the Great Lakes and upper Mississippi basin-- of the Southwest-- of Mexico and South America-- who converted even before there was such a thing as the US. Are you saying that Indians are incapable of coming to a decision themselves about their religion without being forced to at gunpoint? What about the Christian Cherokees who were given the boot by the US government after the Civil War... because the Cherokee nation gave mild support to the Confederacy, since they themselves owned black slaves. No, reducing it all to a matter of religion is to support a much too narrow view of history. I've never heard of a single treaty, whether broken by the US government or not (were any NOT????), that said, if you guys convert to Christianity, you get to keep all the land you claim. No, treaties were invariably about land... it meant ceding Indian claims to the government. Sometimes in return the US government promised the hunter-gatherer tribes (and plenty of tribes were already farming for centuries, but we don't hear about non-Plains Indians in movies) food and training in return for taking up a non-nomadic existence. Promises, of course, which all to often proved empty. " 7983,1,"From: ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) Subject: Re: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ? Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: danebury.hursley.ibm.com Organization: IBM UK Labs Lines: 3 I'll contact you offline about this. Rick " 7984,15,"From: marka@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 30 In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: > seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks: > > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? > The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it. >Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan >whore goddess of fertility. > > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. > No, you are thinking perhaps of ""Ressurection Sunday"" I think. Tsk.tsk. Too much argument on non-issues ! I'm Roman Catholic and it seems to me that people celebrate Easter and Christmas for itself rather than how it relates to Jesus. I don't really care about some diety. If people have some other definition of Easter, then that's their business. Don't let it interfere with my Easter. ""Resurrection Sunday"" 8-) Where did that come from ? If people celebrate Easter for the Cadburry bunny, that's their business. > > So from this I infer that there are different rules for > > Christians of Jewish descent? What happened to ""there is > > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for > > all are one in Christ Jesus""? I've always been curious about this. Is Jesus important to Jews at all ? I thought He was thought of only as a prophet ? If that's true what do they celebrate Easter for ? " 7985,6,"From: ctd2t@Virginia.EDU (""Chris Dong"") Subject: WANTED:MEMPHIS SUBLET Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 6 Non-smoking, normal law student needs furnished place to live in Memphis this summer. I'll be working at a firm downtown and will have to pass the bar character examination, so you don't have to worry about your stuff being broken or stolen. Call Chris at (804)979-2519 or leave e-mail. " 7986,1,"From: edimg@willard.atl.ga.us (Ed pimentel) Subject: HELP! Need JPEG / MPEG encod-decode Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814 Lines: 41 I am involve in a Distant Learning project and am in need of Jpeg and Mpeg encode/decode source and object code. This is a NOT-FOR PROFIT project that once completed I hope to release to other educational and institutional learning centers. This project requires that TRUE photographic images be sent over plain telephone lines. In addition if there is a REAL Good GUI lib with 3D objects and all types of menu classes that can be use at both end of the transaction (Server and Terminal End) I would like to hear about it. We recently posted an RFD announcing the OTG (Open Telematic Group) that will concern itself with the developement of such application and that it would incorporate NAPLPS, JPEG, MPEG, Voice, IVR, FAX Sprites, Animation(fli, flc, etc...). At present only DOS and UNIX environment is being worked on and it our hope that we can generate enough interest where all the major platform can be accomodated via a plaform independent API/TOOLKIT/SDK We are of the mind that it is about time that such project and group be form to deal with these issues. We want to setup a repository where these files may be access such as Simte20 and start putting together a OTG FAQ. If you have some or any information that in your opinion would be of interest to the OTG community and you like to see included in our first FAQ please send it email to the address below. Thanks in Advance Ed P.O. box 95901 Atlanta Ga. 30347-0901 (404)985-1198 zyxel 14.4 epimntl@world.std.com ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org -- edimg@willard.atl.ga.us (Ed pimentel) gatech!kd4nc!vdbsan!willard!edimg emory!uumind!willard!edimg Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814 " 7987,17,"From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Nntp-Posting-Host: s3saturn Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA Lines: 26 In article smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) writes: >dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: >> THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE >> >> by Theodore J. O'Keefe >> [Holocaust revisionism] >> >> Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical >> Review. Educated at Harvard University . . . > >According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to >graduate. You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated >anywhere. > >Steven Smith Is any education a prerequisite for employment at IHR ? Is it true that IHR really stands for Institution of Hysterical Reviews? Curious minds would like to know... Hap -- **************************************************************************************************** <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Omnia Extares >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************************************************************************************************** " 7988,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: JPL's VLBI Project Meets with International Space Agencies Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 112 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: VLBI, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 From the ""JPL Universe"" April 23, 1993 VLBI project meets with international space agencies By Ed McNevin Members of JPL's Space Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI) project team recently concluded a week-long series of meetings with officials from Russia and Japan. The meetings were part of ""Space VLBI Week"" held at JPL in early March and were intended to maintain cooperation between international space agencies participating in the development of the U.S. Space VLBI Project, a recently approved JPL flight project set for launch in 1995. U.S. Space VLBI will utilize two Earth-orbiting spacecraft -- the Japanese VSOP (VLBI Space Observing Program) satellite with its 8-meter radio telescope, and a Russian RADIOASTRON 10-meter satellite. Both spacecraft will team up with ground-based radio telescopes located around the world to create a radio telescope network that astronomers hope will expand radio telescope observing power by a factor of 10. Japan's VSOP satellite will use a limited six-hour orbit to conduct imaging science, while the Russian RADIOASTRON spacecraft will exploit a larger, 28-hour Earth orbit to conduct exploratory radio astronomy. Each satellite will point at a source target for roughly 24 hours, while approximately 20 ground-based radio telescopes will simultaneously point at the same source object while within view on Earth. According to Dr. Joel Smith, JPL's project manager for the U.S. Space VLBI, meetings like those held at JPL will permit Japan and Russia, who have little previous experience in radio interferometry, to establish working relationships with the radio astronomy communities that will be vital during the complex observations required by the Space VLBI project. ""One of our main activities is developing the methodology for international coordination, because the two spacecraft simultaneously rely on the corresponding tracking stations while using the ground-based radio telescopes to observe the same celestial objects,"" said Smith. Three new tracking antennas are being built at DSN facilities and other three other tracking facilities located in Japan, Russia and Green Bank, W.Va. This global network of ground-based radio telescopes will use precision clocks and high-speed recorders to collect observation data and forward the information to a correlator located at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Socorro, N.M. The correlator will combine and process data, then make it available to mission investigators in Moscow, Tokyo, and JPL via electronic mail. Smith is optimistic that the massive radio telescope created by the Space VLBI network will provide radio astronomers with better resolution than has ever been achieved before by ground-based radio telescopes, allowing astronomers to take a closer look at distant objects in space. ""There is a long history of radio astronomy using ground-based telescopes,"" said Smith. ""What we intend to do is to extend radio astronomy into Earth orbit. Our goal is to look deeper into the cores of galactic nuclei, quasars and other active radio sources to understand what drives those things we have seen so far with radio astronomy."" Smith noted that if one examines ""the active galactic nuclei, you'll find jets appearing to spew at speeds greater than light, and at energy levels that are millions of times greater than you would expect."" He said some astronomers believe that black holes may be located in the cores of these galaxies, and that they may fuel the jets. Smith hopes that ""by using Space VLBI to look further into the cores, this theory may be supported or disproved."" Russian space-flight hardware, including transponders and transmitters, are now being tested in the United States, and Japanese hardware is scheduled to arrive for testing later this year. Analysis of this hardware will permit U.S. scientists and engineers to understand how to modify the high-speed VLBA Correlator operating at the NRAO in order to accommodate the odd data patterns that will originate from the more than 20 ground-based radio telescopes involved in Space VLBI. Smith is particularly pleased that meetings with the Japanese and Russian space agency officials -- like those held at JPL in March -- have proceeded smoothly. Yet he knows that the political uncertainty in Russia could jeopardize that country's participation in the project. ""Nothing is ever smooth,"" he said, ""but the Russians have been incredibly open with us. We always anticipated some likelihood that we will not succeed because of political factors beyond our control, yet there tends to be a way of keeping these things going, because scientists on both sides are trying hard, and people recognize the value of cooperation at this level."" Smith points out that the Japanese space agency has more at stake than just fulfilling an international commitment to a science mission. ""The Japanese have been extremely cooperative, since international cooperation is essential to their science mission,"" he said. But Smith also noted that Japanese space agency officials look at the U.S. Space VLBI mission as an opportunity to showcase the technology involved with VSOP spacecraft, and their highly regarded Mach V launch vehicle. Yet regardless of the risks involved in undertaking such an ambitious project, JPL's Smith is satisfied that planning for the Space VLBI Project is beyond the significant financial and political hurdles that otherwise might threaten the project. ""Fortunately, we have the virtue of having two partners, and if either falls out, we would still have something with the other. By themselves, both spacecraft are independent, scientifically exciting missions."" ### ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 7989,1,"From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Re: Real Time Graphics?? Distribution: na Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 30 In article , stockel@oahu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Jim Stockel) writes: > Hi, > > I will be writing a data acquisition program to collect data from a > variety of sources including RS232, and external A/D's, and I would > like to be able to display the data in near realtime. I've done this > type of thing on PC's and other machines, but I am unaware of any graphics > package that could help me with this on a UNIX machine. > > ....... > > Does anyone have any ideas on commercial or ""free"" packages that might > suit my needs? I would really appreciate any input. I'm sure this has > been done many times before. > For a commerical package try WAVE from Precision Visuals 505-530-6563 For a free package try KHOROS from University of New Mexico 508-277-6563 ftp from ptrg.eece.unm.edu Login in anonyomus or ftp with a valid email address as the password cd /pub/khoros/release That will get you to the right place. David " 7990,7,"From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs) Subject: Kubelwagen Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 7 The answer to your question is...sort of. Volkswagen had a much less robust version of this army vehicle out in the early '70's (or thereabouts). It was called the Volskwagen Thing, and was, of course, a convertible. I havent seen many around then or now. Good luck... -Mik " 7991,10,"From: boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) Subject: RANGERS ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 14 I can't believe that the NY Rangers would force its players to go to Binghamtom to play in the AHL playoffs instead of letting them represent their countries in the World Championships. Anderrson and Zubov are waiting for the NHL to make a decision to this, while Kovalev has given in and gone down to the minors. The Rangers are a disgrace. ps. it has been reported that Neil Smith was very much against the hiring of Mike Keenan. How long will Smith be in NY for? the GodFather. ` " 7992,5,"From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley) Subject: Re: X on Amiga 4000? Article-I.D.: fripp.1993Apr23.195024.24932 Reply-To: jh@cadre.com Organization: Cadre Technologies, Inc. Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: xtc In article 8yD@ie.utoronto.ca, garym@ie.utoronto.ca (Gary Murphy) writes: >I'm new to the hardware and with a mandate to port some X-based >stereo-video software --- does anyone know of or have experience with >X on Amiga machines? If I can retain the X event handling, it would >ease my plight considerably, and if I can keep all the Motif bits, so >much the better! > There is X for the Amiga, but it'll cost you. GfxBase Inc., owned by Dale Luck, one of the original Amiga architects, sells X for the Amiga. There are many options available, including Motif. Call 'em and get the scoop. GfxBase Inc. 1881 Ellwell Drive Phone: 408-262-1469 Milpitas, CA 95035 Fax: 408-262-8276 I've got no connection with them, other than being a satisfied customer. --- =============================================================================== Joe Hartley | jh@cadre.com - Whenever you find that you are on the Cadre Technologies | side of the majority, it is time to reform. - M. Twain 222 Richmond St. | -------------------------------------------------------- Providence, RI 02903 | Overman 1st Class - the Kilgore Trout Memorial Clench (401) 351-5950 x266 | of the Church of the SubGenius =============================================================================== " 7993,9,"From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy) Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca Organization: University of Lethbridge Lines: 33 > (Sean Garrison) writes: >} Alright. I have one thing to say. I don't know if it's just me, but I >} thought this newsgroup is a place for discussion. Why must people >} constantly post these little messages about how a certain team is winning >} in a certain inning? I mean, come on! How many people are so dependent on >} this newsgroup that they have to find out the scores mid-game here? > cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >amen. I hear ya, brother. > take a look at the timestamps on some > of the posts you read sometime--the propagation delays are significant, > often hours or even days, and even people who have access to machines ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > which are close to the poster on the network... Let's try WEEKS! It is April 18th today and I just finished reading posts regarding the Cleveland Indians boating tragedy. Needless to say, I don't want to read partial linescores of games played 3 weeks ago. As Charles mentioned (I excluded the quote): Join a mailing list if you want to woof (I consider entering 4th inning scores as woofing). Thank you. Now to plug on and read the rest of the posts about spring training... _____________________________________________________________________________ Jim Savoy University Of Lethbridge savoy@hg.uleth.ca Sigless and Bible Black " 7994,10,"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] PATRICK 1st rd: Pens over Isles in 4. Devils over Caps in 6. 2nd: Pens over Devils in 7. ADAMS 1st rd: B's over Sabres in 5. Nords over Habs in 5. 2nd: B's over Nords in 6. NORRIS 1st: Hawks over Stars/Blues in 5. Wings over Leafs in 7. 2nd: Hawks over Wings in 5. SMYTHE 1st: Jets over Canucks in 7. (call it a hunch) Flames over Kings in 5. 2nd: Jets over Flames in 6. WALES Pens over B's in 7. CAMPBELL Hawks over Jets in 5. STANLEY Pens over Hawks in 5. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 7995,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Surgery of damaged tendons and median nerve Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 27 In article bhatt@src.honeywell.com writes: >I thought I will explore the net wisdom with the following questions: > > Is there any better way to control the pain than what the surgeon suggested? > How long will such pain last? Will the pain recur in the future? > No one can answer that. If she gets reflex sympathetic dystrophy, it could last forever. Just hope she does not. Most don't. > Do damaged (partially cut) tendons heal completely and is all of the finger > strength regained? How long does it take for the complete healing process? > Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. You just have to do the best job you can reattaching and hope. You should know in a few months. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 7996,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 24 Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: > >I can't understand how someone in the sports dept. can't even recognise >the name of playoffs shown on the very same station he works for. You think that's bad ... one year, we had all three New York teams in the playoffs and the cableco operator (SCNY once shared a channel with BET but someone forgot to throw the switch at 6PM) didn't know what I was talking about ... While it's nice that the NHL is back on American network TV, it faces the same problems as it did with the All Star game. Local preemptions and zero promotion (okay, I don't watch that much TV so I'm just foaming all right?). The league should have made sure that it was solid on cable before going to the networks. In year one of the new ESPN contract, the saturation coverage of SCA (all other games shown to completion, like the Quebec-Montreal and Sabres-Bruins overtimes) is missed around here. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 7997,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: A picture is worth a thousand words... 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Just thought I'd point out that he's the >only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter >has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. >Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. > Didn't Mike Schmidt also do this at least three times? I can remember twice in Wrigley Field alone...he did it the same day Kong did it in a 23-22 shootout, and he swatted four there one day in April '76 (the month he set the April record with 11 HR's. Anybody remember any of this? (I was just a kid) " 8003,7,"From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger) Subject: Subaru Shop manuals for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 40 o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00 This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5 & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior, doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting). These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that applies to other years as well. And, as long as I'm posting (end of car stuff), o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00 Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc. printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays, constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say) MUCH MORE! o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00 Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around 1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant piece of furniture, but too big (60"" long, 37"" tall, 24"" deep) for our little Cape Cod house. Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester area. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any of it on UofR Campus between now and graduation. Call or E-Mail: Paul or Mary (716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY) plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu " 8004,5,"From: coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Mike Coe) Subject: window manager Organization: /users/student/coe/.organization Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu I currently use a window manager called ctwm which is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e. it has multiple workspaces). Is there a motif based window manager that has this same feature and is not a memory pig like vue? mike -- Michael L Coe | ""A mind is a terrible thing."" Laboratory of Applied Logic | University of Idaho | coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu | coe861@snake.cs.uidaho.edu " 8005,6,"From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier) Subject: Re: HEAVY METAL (the magazine) for sale (NOT the MUSIC) Article-I.D.: burrhus.1993Apr6.151840.3953 Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Lines: 23 In article <1prs2t$eqp@transfer.stratus.com> Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com writes: > > I am cleaning out the coffers. I have a virtually > MINT collection of HEAVY METAL magazine. This is NOT > a music mag but the really neato mag with Giger and > Moebius artwork, et al. Jam packed with amazing > sci-fi and fantasy artwork by many masters. All are > mint with the exception of the 3 that have split seam > on the cover only but are otherwise perfect, no cut > outs or missing pages. I have Sep, Nov and Dec issues > for 1978, ALL issues for 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983 > and Jan thru Sep for 1984 (72 issues in all i > believe). I will not break them up. They will be > sold as a single lot. Send your offers to me. > Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of > course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get > 'em in person. > > arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com If you send offers to this guy, keep in mind that you can get mint back issues from the publisher for $4 - $5 plus shipping, all except the very first 2 or three issues. " 8006,10,"From: sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) Subject: Who picks first? Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS Nntp-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca Lines: 7 According to THE FAN here in T.O., Ottawa has won the Daigle e sweepstakes. They didn't mention why, but San Jose had more goals than the Sen-sens, so I have a hunch this is why Ottawa would pick first..... Susan " 8007,19,"From: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 38 In article <1r1et6INNh8p@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: : : pmy@vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: : :::Didn't Christ tell his disciples to arm them selves, shortly :::before his crusifiction? (I believe the exact quote was along the :::lines of, ""If you have [something] sell it and buy a sword."") : ::This from a guy who preached love, deference of power to God and ::renunciation of worldly life in exchange for a life of the spirit? If ::Jesus did in fact command his disciples to arm themselves, I would ::take that as yet another reason to reject Christian doctrine, for ::whatever it's worth. Like most religions, the doctrine has good and bad in it. I would certainly reject the current implementations of the doctrine. : :No. The above is a classic example of taking a scripture out of context. :It's taken from Luke 22:36. But note vs 37; ""For I tell you that this :which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, 'and he will be reckoned :with lawless ones'..."". He then stated that two swords were enough :for the group to carry to be counted as lawless. So having more than the politically correct number of weapons was cause to be arresed and killed even then, huh? :Jesus' overiding message was one of peace (turn other cheek; live by :sword die by sword; etc). Yes, of course, as in Matthew 10:34-35 ""Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth; it is not peace I have come to bring but a sword..."" : RJL -- Rich Loether Snail mail: University of Pittsburgh The Ideas: EMail: rjl+@pitt.edu Computing and Info Services Mine, Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive all FAX : (412) 624-6426 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 Mine. " 8008,16,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 53 In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: [ ... excellent exchange deleted ... ] <> It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give <> the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the <> people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit <> of an anachronism is this day and age. Maybe its time to re-think <> how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately. < < Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: ""This < country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit < it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, < they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or < their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."" < < Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate < over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August < 1789: ""What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the < establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ... < Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of < the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order < to raise an army upon their ruins."" < Who can tell me which program (PD or ShareWare) can redirect windows 3.1's >output of printer manager to file? > I want to capture HP Laser Jet III's print output. > Though PostScript can setup print to file,but HP can't. > I use DOS's redirect program,but they can't work in windows. > Thankx for any help... >-- > Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw > English Name: Erik Wang > Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang > National Chiao-Tung University,Taiwan,R.O.C. Try setting up another HPIII printer but when choosing what port to connect it to choose FILE instead of like :LPT1. This will prompt you for a file name everytime you print with that ""HPIII on FILE"" printer. Good Luck. Brian Servis =========================================================================== || servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || ""It Happened This Way"" || ===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims|| || What I say may not be what I || || || think. What I say may not be || ""The pedestrian had no idea which || || what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over."" || =========================================================================== " 8010,19,"From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr21.164554.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>, parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes: > I told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead. The FBI and > the BATF could not let a man like that live. He was a testimonial to their > stupidity and lies. > [...deleted...] Unfortunately, I think you've got it figured pretty well. I also ask myself the question ""Why did they plan for so many months. Why was this so important to them? What was the government really up to? Why did they seal the warrant? Were they after Koresh or were they after the first and second amendments, among others? > > We waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these > people 51 days. > -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not | matter at all what actually happened. Remember the Alamo | Truth is what the government chooses to Remember Waco | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen. --Jim Garrison, New Orleans, La. " 8011,6,"From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman) Subject: Mac Classic II Originator: forman@owl Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF Lines: 13 Mac Classic 2 4/40 for sale 1 year old, excellent condition Includes dustcovers, freeware/shareware (including many fonts ) $800.00 email or call 510/947-6987 (SF Bay Area) -- ******************************************************************** forman@ide.com * ``Things that are Real are given and received * !sun!ide!forman * in Silence'' M.B. * ******************************************************************** " 8012,11,"From: hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) Subject: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Nntp-Posting-Host: jabberwock.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division Lines: 38 I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the proposed wiretap (or ""Clipper"") chip is a cost-effective tool for police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry, and their customers, to support this wiretap technology? A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S. wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28 billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].) I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but I'd like to ask hardware experts out there to help me with estimating the costs of the new proposed wiretap technology. Please send me quotable/citeable estimates for: - How many chips which would need to be made per year to keep all phones with wiretap chips? - How much would it cost to make each chip? - How much did it cost to develop this technology in the first place? - How much more would supporting hardware, people, etc. cost, per chip? - What percentage cheaper would encryption chips and support have been if private enterprise could compete to meet customer encryption needs? - What percentage of phone traffic would be taken up by the proposed ""law enforcement blocks""? - What is the total cost of handling all phone traffic per year? Put another way, the question I'm asking is, what if each police agency that wanted a particular wiretap had to pay for it, being charged their share of the full social cost of forcing communication to be wiretap compatible? Would they choose to buy such wiretaps, or would they find it more cost-effective to instead investigate crimes in other ways? -- Robin Hanson hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov 415-604-3361 MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035 510-651-7483 47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA 94539-7921 " 8013,13,"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Lung disorders and clubbing of fingers Article-I.D.: pitt.19424 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 36 In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >Can anyone out there enlighten me on the relationship between >lung disorders and ""clubbing"", or swelling and widening, of the >fingertips? What is the mechanism and why would a physician >call for chest xrays to diagnose the cause of the clubbing? Purists often distinguish between ""true"" clubbing and ""pseudo"" clubbing, the difference being that with ""true"" clubbing the angle of the nail when viewed from the side is constantly negative when proceeding distally (towards the fingertip). With ""pseudo"" clubbing, the angle is initially positive, then negative, which is the normal situation. ""Real"" internists can talk for hours about clubbing. I'm limited to a couple of minutes. Whether this distinction has anything to do with reality is entirely unclear, but it is one of those things that internists love to paw over during rounds. Supposedly, only ""true"" clubbing is associated with disease. The problem is that the list of diseases associated with clubbing is quite long, and includes both congenital conditions and acquired disease. Since many of these diseases are associated with cardiopulmonary problems leading to right to left shunts and chronic hypoxemia, it is very reasonable to get a chest xray. However, many of the congenital abnormalities would only be diagnosed with a cardiac catheterization. The cause of clubbing is unclear, but presumably relates to some factor causing blood vessels in the distal fingertip to dilate abnormally. Clubbing is one of those things from an examination which is a tipoff to do more extensive examination. Often, however, the cause of the clubbing is quite apparent. -km " 8014,15,"From: daniels@math.ufl.edu (TV's Big Dealer) Subject: Prayer in Jesus' name Organization: Me Lines: 5 Hmm...makes you wonder whether prayer ""in Jesus' name"" means ""saying Jesus' name"" or whether we're simply to do all things with the attitude that we belong to Jesus. Frank D. " 8015,6,"From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu () Subject: Wargames/magazines Forsale Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Lines: 107 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu Discounts! Please take $2.00 off each item over $10.00 $1.00 off each item over $ 5.00 Here is the list of magazines, including asking price: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Strategy & Tactics Magazine (All include unpunched games): =========================== NEW (52 & 79-90 As mailed with games and all inclusions.) Issue: Title: Asking: 52 Oil War - American Intervention in The Persian Gulf 35.00 79 Berlin '85 - The Enemy at the Gates 20.00 81 Tito - Partisan Army Yugoslavia, 1941-45 20.00 83 Kaiser's Battle - German Offensive March, 1918 20.00 84 Operation Grenade - Rhineland Feb 23-Mar 5, 1945 20.00 89 Sicily - The Race to Messina Jul 10-Aug 17, 1943 20.00 90 The Battle of Monmouth - Colonies take Offensive 1778 20.00 ----------End of an Era --------------------------------------------- NEW (113-127 As mailed with games and all inclusions in envelope.) Issue: Title: Asking: 113 The Battle of Abensberg (Magazine only) 15.00 115 Kanev - Russian Paratroops 15.00 116 Manchu - The Taiping Rebellion 15.00 117 North German Plain - Modern Germany 15.00 118 The Tigers Are Burning - Camp. in the Ukraine '43-44 15.00 120 Nicararagua 15.00 122 Pegasus Bridge - The Beginning of D-Day 15.00 123 Campaigns in the Valley 15.00 124 Fortress Stalingrad - Russian Winter Offensive '42-43 15.00 125 The Far Seas - German Cruiser Operations WWII 15.00 126 Beirut 1982 - Arab Stalingrad 15.00 127 Rush for Glory - War with Mexico 1846-47 15.00 The AH General Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue) ======================= Issue Title Asking Vol. # 7-80 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 17/2 11-80 Fortress Europa 8.00 17/4 1-81 Circus Maximus 8.00 17/5 3-81 Stalingra 8.00 17/6 5-81 Bismark, Squad Leader Clinic 8.00 18/1 Campaign Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue) ================= Issue Title Asking 97 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 101 Cross of Iron 8.00 102 Counterstroke at Inchon 8.00 104 Squad Leader Variant 8.00 106 GDW's 1941 8.00 108 Battle for Leyte Gulf 8.00 All magazine prices include postage. ALL ISSUES ARE IN NEW OR LIKE-NEW CONDITION. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Games and Books: =============== Yaquinto Publications, Inc.: =========================== Attack of the Mutants - Introductory Game $ 5.00 (Unpunched, new.) --- The Complete Book of Wargames (out of print) $30.00 -------------------------------------------- Author: Jon Freeman (Part 1 Introduction 75 pages - including Ch. 4 Kassala: An Introductory Wargame) (Complete information on over 150 wargames as of 1980) [hardcover, 285 pages, large format] --- Shipping extra on books and games. Prefer money orders for payment, I'll allow personal checks to clear before shipping. Larry Larry McElhiney 1385 7th Avenue #10 Santa Cruz, CA 95062 (408)426-5858 x 358 (w) (408)475-8027 (h) " 8016,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.142037.9246 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr6.044323.22829@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes: > >You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those >players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's >see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he >has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that >Euro-blooded boy back!!! > Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. Gerald " 8017,6,"From: warsaw@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Maung) Subject: CDs for $6 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 29 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: alfredo.mit.edu I have the following CDs for sale for $6 each plus postage. All CDs are in perfect condition. Michael Bolton Time, Love & Tenderness Paula Abdul Forever Your Girl Taylor Dayne Tell it to My Heart Lionel Richie The Composer Elvis Presley 18 Number One Hits Bobby Vinton Greatest Hits Super Hits of the 70's (includes Yellow River, Rose Garden, For the Good Times, Help Me Make it through the Night, Mr. Bojangles, Sweet Mary, One Toke Over the Line, Put Your Hand in Hand, Stay Awhile, Woodstock, Silver Bird, I Ain't got time Anymore) New Fashioned Love Songs (import) (includes extended remixes and dance mixes for the following: I Know You Were Waiting - Aretha Franklin & George Michael, Walk Like an Egyptian, Live It Up - Mental As Anything Is this Love - Alison Moyet I'll be Alright Without You - Journey The Rain - Oran Jones In My Dreams - Reo Speedwagon Shake You Down - Gregory Abbott Fight For Ourselves - Spandau Ballet Between Two Fires - Paul Young Falling in Love - Miami sound machine Heartache Away - Don Johnson ) " 8018,0,"From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray) Subject: Re: The Bible and Abortion Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 38 Distribution: world,local NNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] James J. Lippard (lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote: : Exodus 21:22-25: : 22 And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with : child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further : injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may : demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. : 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint : as a penalty life for life, : 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, : 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. : The most straightforward interpretation of these verses is that if : men in a fight strike a woman and cause her to miscarry, the penalty : is only a fine. If, however, the woman is injured or dies, the : *lex talionis* doctrine of ""an eye for an eye"" applies. This is the : Jewish interpretation, and is supported by Jewish commentaries on : these verses. : This is quite an embarrassment for pro-lifer Christians, so there is : of course an alternate explanation. The alternative interprets the : word ""miscarriage"" to mean ""premature birth""--i.e., the child is born : alive--and ""further injury"" to mean injury to either the woman or : the fetus. This is not a straightforward interpretation, it is not : (so far as I know) supported by any Jewish commentaries, and it does : not appeared to be supported by any other part of the Bible. What if any, historical reference do we have to abortion at this time? Did the ancient Jew have appropriate reference to understand abortion? (I am truly asking, not making a point veiled as a question). If there is little understanding of the medical procedure we know as abortion, it is not surprising the Bible makes little reference to it, as it makes little reference to nuclear power and contamination. While your interpretation is a reasonable one, I see no reason to reject the other out of hand. The King Jimmy translation says ""if there is no further mischief."" This does not necessarily imply to the woman. I know if my wife we expecting and someone cause her to spontaneously abort, we would feel that a life was truly taken, not simply a process halted. " 8019,12,"From: msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark Underwood) Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report Nntp-Posting-Host: nx26.mik.uky.edu Reply-To: msunde01@mik.uky.edu Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Distribution: usa Lines: 29 In article borowski@spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) writes: > Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote: > : My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was > : wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to > : construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember (snip!) I haven't been following this, so I'm sorry if somebody already mentioned this, but you could grab a lemon (I think potatoes work too, but I'm not sure), a strip of copper, and a strip of zinc (I think you can get the metal in a hardware store or hobby shop, maybe??). Stick the strips in the lemon (so they don't touch!) and you'll get a measurable voltage (not a lot, but, hey, it's a lemon :-) ). As I recall we had to hook something like ten of these things to get an appreciable amount of current, because of the mondo internal resistance, but if you just need a demo you might get it to run a tiny fan or something! :-) Mark S. Underwood EE Student, University of Kentucky Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab (a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs) E-Mail: msunde01@mik.uky.edu " 8020,7,"From: arm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (arlen.r.martin) Subject: Squeekin' Windows Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 11 Consumer Reports once wrote about the S-10 Blazer that it ""shook and rattled like a tired taxi cab"". There is one noise that is expecially irritating - the back window squeaks. I believe its because the whole tailgate assembly and window are not solid. Anyway, has anyone had the same problem, and have you found any fixes? Arlen Martin AT&T Microelectronics att!attme!stcarm (215)391-2531 " 8021,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 12 In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > >DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the >Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in >baseball at 8-1 Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. No, I don't know everything in the world. Does that surprise you? -Valentine " 8022,5,"From: bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras) Subject: Re: Regression Testing and X Reply-To: bill@msi.com Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 17 Megan Grenenger (megan@cs.uq.oz.au) wrote: : I'd appreciate any feedback on capture/playback tools for use with X clients. : Any comparisons/comments on regression testing tools would be great - : particularly XTM, XRunner, Autotester, and SRI's CAPBAK, SMARTS and EXDIFF. How about starting where I could find ANY of these. For the commercial ones, at least a phone number would be appreciated. -- +-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+ | Bill Poitras | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Tel (617)229-9800 | | bill@msi.com | Burlington, MA 01803-5297 | FAX (617)229-9899 | +-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+ |FTP Mail |mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com | Offers:ftp via email | | |Subject:helpquit | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 8023,6,"From: beb@media.mit.edu (Brian E. Bradley) Subject: 2-gig Fujitsu 5.25"" disk drive for sale Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 11 2-gigabyte Fujitsu 5.25"" disk drive internal drive, model M26525A (uses either a SCSI or EDI interface on your disk controller card) brand new, still in box, never used only $1800 (compare to $2400 in cheapest mail-order catalogs) POSTED FOR A FRIEND. Pleade respond to: jbredt@athena " 8024,2,"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu Organization: UNLV In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: >From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) >Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT > >As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of >late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every >day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I Have you tried setting FILES in your config.sys file to a fairly high number? (I've got mine set to 100; I've seen numbers from 40 to 100 recommended). Also check your STACKS statement, STACKS=9,256 is a good starting point. Try increasing it if it's already set there (such as to STACKS=12,256, etc.). Both STACKS and FILES have been identified as _one_ cause of frequent Win3.1 crashes. Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu " 8025,8,"From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran) Subject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted Keywords: tires recomend CB400T Organization: NCR E&M San Diego Distribution: usa Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes: |> |> I've got a '81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it. |> I got it with these tires on it! The only reason I need new tires |> is beacuse I hate (and don't feel safe on) these. |> |> I'd appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!). |> |> Thanks, |> Tony I'll throw in a vote for a Metzler ""economy"" tire, the ME77. Good for mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles my 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit more than the Chengs/IRC's etc, but still less than the Sport Metzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the front, and $70 for the rear. -- Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross " 8026,1,"From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz Subject: CorelDraw BITMAP to SCODAL (2) Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz Yes I am aware CorelDraw exports in SCODAL. Version 2 did it quite well, apart from a few hassles with radial fills. Version 3 RevB is better but if you try to export in SCODAL with a bitmap image included in the drawing it will say something like ""cannot export SCODAL with bitmap""- at least it does on my version. If anyone out there knows a way around this I am all ears. Temporal images make a product called Filmpak which converts Autocad plots to SCODAL, postscript to SCODAL and now GIF to SCODAL but it costs $650 and I was just wondering if there was anything out there that just did the bitmap to SCODAL part a tad cheaper. Jeff Lyall Inst.Geo.&.Nuc.Sci.Ltd Lower Hutt New Zealand " 8027,3,"From: spart@cs.uq.oz.au (Geoff Green) Subject: Multi I/O card with 16550 UART's Reply-To: spart@cs.uq.oz.au Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland Lines: 18 Is it possible to buy a serial I/O card with the 16550 UART's built in (rather than having to buy them separately, and socketing them in)? My current I/O card uses 8250's (correct number? The braindead ones anyway). It also controls two floppy drives, and two IDE hard drives. Ideally, I'd like to get a new multi I/O card, that had 2 serial ports with 16550's and could also control another 2 IDE HD's. It would have to have configurable addresses for both the serial ports, and the IDE controller, so it could co-exist with my existing card. Does such a beast exist? Now the hard part - where can I get one in Australia, preferably Brisbane? Thanks, Geoff Green (spart@cs.uq.oz.au) " 8028,3,"From: penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Re: 486/66DX2 (ISA) vs. 486/50DX2 (EISA) Reply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu Organization: Rockefeller University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] X-Posted-From: venezia.rockefeller.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 14 On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 10:00:19 GMT Jesper Honig Spring (spring@diku.dk) wrote: | Can anyone give me their opinion on which system has got the best overall | system performance; | 486/66DX2 with ISA-BUS or | 486/50DX2 with EISA-BUS 468DX2/66 EISA/VESA. Royal, among others, is celling such a system for $2010. -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. " 8029,4,"From: chen@nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu (ChenLin) Subject: Re: Can I get more than 640 x 480 on 13"" monitor? Organization: Baylor College of Medicine Lines: 5 Distribution: na Reply-To: chen@nuclear.bcm.tmc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu Keywords: 13"" monitor, 8*24 resolution Try MaxAppleZoom ( a shareware init ) if your monitor is not driven by internal video. chen " 8030,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 13 If I have one thing to say about ""No Fault"" it would be ""It isn't"" -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 8031,7,"From: neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 51 larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes: >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net. Watch out for >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses. They can >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car. >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows) >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in >knoxville, I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side >of my truck. We slowed down, but after looking back to see the >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station. >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him ""cock his arm"" with >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit >her window, it would have killed her. >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone. >I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and >I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to >hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, >and take the truck. >PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! >peace. >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >brian larose larose@cs.utk.edu #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918. >{} As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5 north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and left. A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do? I don't think I'll over forget this story. Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA. . " 8032,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu The comparison of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust is insulting and completely false. Any person making such a rude and false comparison is either ignorant of the Holocaust, or also ignorant of the situation in the mideast, or is an anti-semite. To compare a complicated political situation with the genocide of 6,000,000 Jews is racist in and of itself. " 8033,19,"From: magney@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Agney) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >>[Followups set out of talk.abortion...] >> >>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact >>>that Christianity has a code of objective morality? >> >>Please define this ""objective morality"". >> >>While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism. >Still searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see. >Slimy tactic. > - Kevin Well, when you crosspost to talk.origins, what do you expect? -- | Michael Agney | Just because you're paranoid | | | doesn't mean they're not out | | | to get you. | | magney@cco.caltech.edu | | " 8034,12,"From: jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann x 2966) Subject: Single chip receiver for FSK? Reply-To: jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann x 2966) Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department Lines: 21 My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a normal IF filter can be used? Any suggestions? John -- John R. Ackermann, Jr. Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio (513) 445-2966 John.Ackermann@daytonoh.ncr.com Packet Radio: ag9v@n8acv.oh tcp/ip: ag9v@ag9v.ampr [44.70.12.232] " 8035,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card <93104.173826U28037@uicv Lines: 79 In article , PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says: >> [stuff deleted] me: >>What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of >>proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car >>cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access >>to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the >>time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every >>day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I >>see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a >>revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a >couple >>of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a >>disadvantage even with training. > David: > This is the ""arms race"" fallacy. That somehow bigger guns make an >individual safer. The problem is that for each corresponding level of >offensive power the is not an automatic level of defense increase. The >problem is that there's a sort of lethality threshold that once you get >past you're only talking about a metter of degree. > > Regardless of what cops are up against there's really no reason >for the average beat cop to have anything bigger than a pistol on him >as a personal weapon and maybe a rifle and a shotgun in the cruiser. > > I mean, think about it. Carrying a monster pistol or sub-machinegun >doesn't make the cop any less wounded if somebody shoots him. A lot >of police departenments have switched to semi-automatics, as better >more reliable weapons, and more stopping power, but there's a point >of diminishing returns. > This is a very, very good point. Who cares what kind of gun you've got if you're lying on the ground dead. > And as far as automatics go, any gang member carrying around ""a >couple"" of automatics (an incredible rarity) is going to be far more of >a menace to himself and innocent bystanders than anything he might be >tryinh to aim at. One auto is hard enough to control. Anybody who >could control two is going to get the police officer regardless of >what the police officer is armed with. > [more stuff deleted. mostly mine] > My question is this: What would a police officer gain from >having a sub-machinegun or similar personal weapon that he already >doesn't have with a 9mm or 10mm semi-automatic pistol? I don't see >as how the police should be hosing around full-auto fire, nor has >my experience with police officers (or the stats regarding how many >police officers get killed by other cops) made me feel such would be a >good idea. Precise fire is far more preferable. Nor should they using >""bigger"" guns. Most standard sidearms have more then sufficient >stopping power when properly applied. All more powerful weapons would >do is make the likelihood of death higher without really giving police >significantly more options. > Another very good point that is well taken. It seems that when lots of lead is flying (either the cops or the gangs) someone innocent always gets caught in the crossfire. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group >PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day >your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't >love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" All points made above are well taken. I guess I am in the mindset of ""having more makes it better"" which is obviously not the correct mindset to take in this discussion. Now that I think about the situation a little more carefully I see your point exactly David and I wholeheartedly (sp?) agree. Like I said I'm just assuming that ""more bullets and/or bigger bullets is better"". Once again though I want to state that I am a pro-gun individual and do NOT believe that gun control is really a viable option here in the United States regardless of the drivel that I spout here :-) Jason " 8036,1,"From: brian@porky.contex.com (Brian Love) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Xyvision Design Systems Lines: 9 In article <25335@alice.att.com> td@alice.att.com (Tom Duff) writes: >ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: >> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? >Forty-two is six times nine. ...for very small values of six and nine. (Sorry, Tom, I couldn't resist...) " 8037,3,"From: msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Organization: Xerox Lines: 20 > My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is > unreserved in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the > drives went out with the XT architechture ... ) Not completly true. For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is reserved for LPT2. Since it's rare to have a second parallel port in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an interrupt. On the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here at work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V). It has a Modem on COM1, a Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which normally uses the same interrupt as COM1). We had a real fight with a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem was that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5. As soon as we disabled COM3, our problems went away. Grumble ... after several days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) " 8038,2,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr19.235430.6097@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) writes: > Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's > a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since > it's not a .drv file. > > Thanks > > Alec Lee The sound.exe is actually a self extracting script which includes the .drv file. Works great! -Eric " 8039,3,"From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca In article <1qte10$kn5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) writes: > >I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of >the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio >and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts We have plenty of computer labs where the computers are left on all the time. I don't see any shorter lifespan than the ones we have in the offices which does get turned off at the end of the day. In fact, some of the computers in the labs have outlived some of the same ones in the offices. But it goes both ways so can't conclude anything. Thomas. " 8040,13,"From: kxgst1@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Can't Breathe Article-I.D.: blue.7936 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu) wrote: : [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)] : : >While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other, : >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or : >by applying pressure on the pubic bone... : : Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral : vertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine. : It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a : lumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone, : break it? No, don't tell me, I don't want to know. : Oh come now, surely you know he only meant to measure the flow of electromagnetic energy about the sacrum and then adjust these flows with a crystal of chromium applied to the right great toe. Don't you know anything? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 8041,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: erythromycin Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14 In article <47974@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes: :Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? : :-fm Not only is it effective, it is in fact the drug of choice for uncomplicated cases of community-acquired penumonia. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 8042,18,"From: joec@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com ( Joe Cipale) Subject: Re: Clayton Need not Retract Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR Lines: 13 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >civilized society. The _ONLY_ way a homosexual can maintain even a >modicum of respectability is by remaining in the closet. >-- > The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis > my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu > believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis > as this would hold such views??? | Once again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted and for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power. Joe Cipale " 8043,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL... Lines: 181 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr12.031404.25988@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes: |>In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: |> |>>|>But punishing the person for posting such a thing smacks of |>>|>authoritarianism. |>> |>>It's a deliberate act of fraud intended to cause harm. |> |>You seem to be unclear about the legal meaning of ""fraud."" Mere |>misrepresentation is not fraud. Your comment here is meant as a put down. It fails for several reasons : 1) You have edited out the context of the action under discussion. 2) I never brought the legal definition up. I use the English language and not the legal dialect. The legal definition of fraud changes from one country to another in any case. The context of the discussion is morality of censorship. |>>|>How does a posting from your site do any such thing? Especially if your |>>|>site is a university? Do you know any person who believes that a |>>|>university endorses every comment made from a university site? |>> |>>That is why I refered specifically to a company. |> |>Good. Now, do you know any person who believes that a company endorses |>every comment made from a university site? You are extrapolating from the statement I made concerning a circumstance in which such an act of censorship would be permissable to the Teel case. If you had bothered to read the post instead of trying to prove how stupid you thought me you would have done rather better. The mode of argument I was using was a form of rhetoric. Argument by example, I describe a wide set of circumstances in which an action is permisable and demonstrate that they do not apply, thus the action is not permisable. Obviously a company posting from a University adress would be squashed, it would be contrary to the internet comercial use. |>>|>Usenet does not distribute letterhead. |>> |>>Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA |> |>I suggest strongly that if you mean for this to be taken as letterhead you |>get a better stationery designer. Now you are clutching at straws. In the context of the discussion it was the fact of association between the company and the post that was important. The typeface etc is inconsequential. |>>There are people on the net who are openly supporting the murder of members |>>of my family. |> |>Sigh. If you are implying that I am lying I suggest you read Mark Holohan and Ulick Staffords posts into soc.culture.british. If you are suggesting that advocating murder is a trivial matter I would prefer that you state it directly. Certainly I oppose the right of Dr Sidiqui and the Ayatolah Khomenhi to call for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Incitement to murder is not part of what I consider legitimate freedom of speech. |>>|>As for your notion that employees can argue their different political |>>|>views ""at their own expense,"" could you explain precisely what ""expense"" |>>|>you're talking about? |>> |>>Internet is not free. The connection charges are quite expensive for comercial |>>concerns. |> |>Could you give me a cost breakdown for the expense to your company |>attributable to an employee's posting a political view in disagreement |>with yours? Numbers, please. That is irrelevant, the case is not the incremental cost but the facility cost. If I decide that a company I am associated with should subscribe to USEnet that usenet connection is the property of the company. It is quite legitimate for a company to have a political or other agenda and regulate the use of its property in accordance with its policy. For example if a Microsoft employee were to post ""Windows NT is crap don't buy it"" from a Microsoft machine I would consider it reasonable for Microsoft to sack that employee. In the same way if a company decides that it has political objectives it might wish to regulate postings in a political manner. This is no worse than Rupert Murdoch using his papers as a political platform for his views. |>>I was refering to the arrogance of your position, quoting the words written |>>by slave owners at me in the cause of freedom. |> |>Which words written by slave owners did I quote? I don't recall quoting |>anyone. ah yes you did not quote them, merely refered to them. |>>Your constitution is not |>>considered sacrosanct in other parts of the globe. |> |>Nor have I assumed it is. I don't consider the First Amendment to have |>talismanic value. |> |>>You might just as well have attempted to argue from the King James bible |>>to a Muslim. I was pointing out that your reasoning is parochial when with |>>little effort you could have made a substantive point. |> |>I made the effort; apparently you made a certain effort to misunderstand |>me. Your article consisted of a reference to the first ammendment, your signature and pretty well damn all else. |>>|>For an example of a UK publication that understands this, try INDEX ON |>>|>CENSORSHIP. |>> |>>I used to subscribe, I would still if I was not moving. |> |>INDEX regularly publishes opinions by non-Americans who believe the First |>Amendment represents appropriate free-speech principles for all open |>societies. See, e.g., the opinions of the dissenting law lords in the |>SPYCATCHER case. Are you refering to the initial hearings on an injunction or the judgments on the substantive case? The initial hearings that the government won were judged on the not unresonable judgment that assertion by the government that the national interest might be harmed would be grounds for prior restraint. The second set of hearings on the substance judged that the government had no case and that the official secrets act could not be used to suppress information in thwe public domain already. The part that they won was over the copyright issue which is rather separate. Here again the issue of censorship is rather different in the case that information is divulged on the understanding that it will not be communicated to third parties. The first ammendment certainly does not apply in this case as the numerous prosecutions of spies in the US proves. The crux of the Spycatcher affair was extrateritoriality of British law. The censorship aspect of it arose as a result of the government's ludicrous attempts to prevent summary of the case in the book. |>>|>You haven't any reason to believe that anything I've said has been reached |>>|>unquestioningly. |>> |>>Only most of what you write. |> |>For someone who purports to be opposed to argument from assertion, you |>certainly get by on assertions a lot. Funny I saw that as a rejection of an assertion that you had made. Of course in rejecting an assertion I have to make a contrary assertion, since this assertion is unprovable I left it at that. So far I have not seen you demonstrate a command of the contrary opinion to your own. You are attacking my anti-censorship view because I dare to accept the validity of some pro-censorship arguments while rejecting their conclusions. Plus I am not an absolutist. I have this funny idea that the solution to this problem was not decided in 1789 by a group of white male gentry in secret session and sumarized in a single line. Furthermore I don't think that the issues are half as simple as you imply. |>>You may think that I am being anti-American in disallowing recourse to the |>>first ammendment. It's just that this argument has no currency in the parts |>>of the world where there is state censorship such as Iran, Kewait and Israel. |> |>I don't pretend to have geared my discourse for all conceivable audiences. I don't think that you have geered your discourse to any audience save that of proving that you are the only person wearing a white hat. Phill Hallam-Baker " 8044,8,"From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750? Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcrt$2q9 Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote: : I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990 : Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles : and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees : of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the : bike. : I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this : would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life : span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with : prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is : for cars?. : Thanks for any advice you can give. : --Mark -- Mark, 47k is not too many miles on a VFR750. I sold my (well maintained) '87 VFR700 with 52k miles on it and the engine was in mint condition. All that the bike needed was steering head bearings and fork bushings and seals. The guy who bought it had a mechanic pull the valve covers to look at the top end, do a compression check etc. He confirmed it was mint. As for price, $4500 seems a little steep. I bought my '90 with 12k miles on it a year ago (and in absolutely cherry condition) for $4800. There is a bluebook, ask your bank or credit union for the going price. I've seen a couple of ads for VFR's in the $4500 dollar range. They all said low miles & mint condition but I didn't actually go look at them. A VFR is a very sweet bike and will last you forever if you maintain it at all. One thing to look for, BTW, is a soft front end. If my VFR is any indication, at 12k miles the fork springs were totally shot. Progressive springs ($55) fixed it right up. Good luck, _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ | | | Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | | Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | | 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | | Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | |______________________________________________________________| " 8045,2,"From: fosterr@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond W. Foster) Subject: Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 14 In article claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.235430.6097@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) writes: >>Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's >>a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since >>it's not a .drv file. > >Thats the file... >-- To clarify a little more: SOUND.EXE is a self-expanding archive which contains the driver (which is actually called SPEAKER.DRV, I think). Ray " 8046,12,"From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Subject: Re: IR remote control receiver Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 29 ab616@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Dion) writes: >For a project of my own, I would like to build a Infra-Red Remote control >receiver (for regular VCRs and TVs remotes). Does anybody have any info >or tips on how to build such receiver ? >In particular, >a) which photo detector should I use (which wavelength do remotes use) ? >b) which ICs or circuit should I use ? >c) any suggestions for circuit layout >Please reply to this group (if you wish), but as well via e-mail (my >link to usenet is not always available). I'd like to see this info as well. As for wavelength, I think you're primarily going to find two - 880 nM +/- a bit, and/or 950 nM +/- a bit. Usually it is about 10 nM either way. The two most common I have seen were 880 and 950 but I have also heard of 890 and 940. I'm not sure that the 10 nM one way or another will make a great deal of difference. Another suggestion - find a brand of TV that uses an IR remote, and go look at the SAMS photofact for it. You can often find some very detailed schematics and parts list for not only the receiver but the transmitter as well, including carrier freq. specs. and tone decoding specs. if the system uses that. Duane " 8047,9,"From: iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) Subject: My Predictions For 1993 Reply-To: iacs3650@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 62 Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've decided to add my own fuel to the fire: They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises. American League East W L GB 1)New York Yankees 93 69 -- 2)Baltimore Orioles 90 72 3 3)Toronto Blue Jays 86 76 7 4)Cleveland Indians 84 78 9 5)Boston Red Sox 77 85 16 6)Milwaukee Brewers 74 88 19 7)Detroit Tigers 73 89 20 American League West W L GB 1)Minnesota Twins 94 68 -- 2)Kansas City Royals 92 70 2 3)Texas Rangers 85 77 9 4)Chicago White Sox 77 85 17 5)Oakland Athletics 74 88 20 6)Seattle Mariners 70 92 24 7)California Angels 65 97 29 AL MVP-Kirby Puckett AL Cy Young-Kevin Appier AL Rookie of the Year-Tim Salmon AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter AL Comeback Player of the Year-Ozzie Guillen National League East W L GB 1)St. Louis Cardinals 91 71 -- 2)Philadelphia Phillies 89 73 2 3)Montreal Expos 88 74 3 4)New York Mets 84 78 7 5)Chicago Cubs 79 83 12 6)Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 18 7)Florida Marlins 54 108 37 National League West W L GB 1)Atlanta Braves 96 66 -- 2)Cincinnati Reds 94 68 2 3)Houston Astros 89 73 7 4)Los Angeles Dodgers 82 80 14 5)San Francisco Giants 81 81 15 6)San Diego Padres 75 87 21 7)Colorado Rockies 59 103 37 NL MVP-Barry Larkin NL Cy Young-John Smoltz NL Rookie of the Year-Wil Cordero NL Manager of the Year-Joe Torre NL Comeback Player of the Year-Eric Davis NL Champions-St. Louis Cardinals AL Champions-Minnesota Twins World Champions-St. Louis Cardinals The St. Louis picks are what my heart says. What my brain says, is they will win the division, lose to the Braves in the NLCS, and the Braves will win the Series against Minnesota. But for now, I'll stick with the Cards all the way. Kevin " 8048,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (M Beavington) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 15 In article <13386@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. |> |> I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. |> vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. |> |> Now what do I do? |> Go bikeless. You drink and drive, you pay. No smiley. Mike Beavington mbeaving@bnr.ca *opinions are my own and not my companies'. " 8049,16,"From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Nntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. Why? Either the numerator or the denominator could fluctuate. The dollar value of a gun would (of course) go up if supply were restricted. The weight of a gun might go down significantly as technology improved. I don't think you have a basis to assert this. >It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production >would have to be local. There are not all that many people >who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile >firearms from scratch. The skill is easily taught to anyone with a modicum of mechanical aptitude and the ONLY motivator needed is money. If guns were banned then this motivator would kick in big time. Now, of course, it is not a moneymaking proposition for every machine shop to make guns on the side when it ain't rebuilding engines. Ban guns and watch what happens. You'll have to schedule a year in advance to get your brakes resurfaced. ;-) " 8050,9,"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 19 DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu said: >No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I've never seen a guy who >can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league, >and he's still finding a way to lose. I'll be surprised if he makes it through >the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made. I'm confused. How is it Hal McRae's fault that he can't win with a team whose best offensive player is Phil Hiatt? I mean, let's be real. Kansas City will have to get outstanding years from their entire staff just to end up near .500; they have less offense than any other team in baseball, even if you count the expansion teams. -- David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning | And in Denver they call you a slugger? ""The Big Catullus"" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!? " 8051,19,"From: rh@smds.com (Richard Harter) Subject: Re: Rawlins debunks creationism Reply-To: rh@ishmael.UUCP (Richard Harter) Organization: Software Maintenance & Development Systems, Inc. Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: > We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot > explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from > the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth > than science. This is a false premise. By the way, I enjoy science. > It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Macroevolution is > a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed > within three percent error :) ] Let us explore this interesting paragraph point by point, sentence by sentence. 1) We are talking about origins, not merely science. Origins of what? Are we speaking of the origins of life, the human species, the universe, physical law, biological diversity or what? 2) Science cannot explain origins. This is a false statement unless it is carefully qualified. It depends on what origins we are talking about. 3) For a person to exclude anything but science from the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth than science. Again, this is a false statement. To begin with, the notion of ""higher truth"" is distinctly dubious. Many people believe that there are ways to ascertain truth that are not in the repetoire of science; they even believe that there are ways that are more reliable and certain. Many believe that there are truths that cannot be expressed using the language of science. Let it be so. These truths are neither ""higher"" or ""lower""; they are simply true. More to the point, restricting one's discussion of origins to science does not reject other sources of knowledge; it simply restricts the scope of discussion. 4) This is a false premise. If this is intended as asserting that the previous sentence was false then (4) is actually true. However the context identifies it as another false [or at least theologically unsound] statement. 5) By the way, I enjoy science. On the evidence Mr. Rawlins lacks sufficient understanding of science to enjoy science in any meaningful sense. One might just as well say that one enjoys literature written in a language that one cannot read. However one cannot mark this sentence as false -- to follow the analogy, perhaps he likes the pretty shapes of the letters. 6) It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Let us not quibble; count this one as true. 7) Macroevolution is a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed within three percent error :) ] Still another false statement. However one can make it come out true with the following contextual modification: ""Macroevolution, as misunderstood by Rawline, is a mixture of 15 percent of what Rawlins erroneously thinks of as science, and 85 percent of what Rawlins erroneously thinks of as religion."" ----- It is distinctly noticeable that Mr. Rawlins fails miserably to touch on truth except when he reports personally on what he feels. [I do him the justice of assuming that he is not misinforming us as to his personal reactions.] One can account for this by the hypothesis that he has an idiosyncratic and personal concept of truth. -- Richard Harter: SMDS Inc. Net address: rh@smds.com Phone: 508-369-7398 US Mail: SMDS Inc., PO Box 555, Concord MA 01742. Fax: 508-369-8272 In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. " 8052,7,"From: 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes) Subject: Prizm's Radio Question Keywords: prizm, geo, radio, theft Distribution: rec Lines: 7 I was lloking at the Geo Prizm Lsi today (very nice). Anyway, I had a questions that the salesperson couldn't answer. How does the theft deterrent on the Prizm's audio systems work? Can't find the answer in any of Geo's lterature. Thanks in advance. Archie Holmes " 8053,2,"From: eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: > >Dear friend, > The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >computer architecture for more information about RISC. hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not as orthogonal is CISC. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | | eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 8054,8,"From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++ Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 23 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) says: >In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: >|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about >|> it! >|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles >|> according to my odometer! >mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in >massachusetts (or was it connecticut?). I sold a bike via the net to a young lady who lived in Salt Lake City. I live near Lost Angeles. 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Rund) writes: >>restaurants advertize ""No MSG"") - many restaurants that feature salad >>bars use MSG to ""keep"" the veggies looking fresh longer, also, a number >This brings up an important question for me - could pre-made salads, the >kind sold in supermarkets, have MSG added without mentioning it? Legally, >I mean - anyone know what the law is in this area? Steve Dyer points out that Sharen was probably thinking of Sulfites. But the question still stands. -- Evan Hunt, Asst. Editor, THE WEB For more information about THE WEB, e-mail to evanh@sco.COM. " 8057,15,"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) Subject: Re: Opinions asked about rejection Organization: Netcom Lines: 22 William Mayne (mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu) wrote: : In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: : >People who reject God don't want to be wth Him in heaven. We spend our : >lives choosing to be either for Him or against Him. God does not force : >Himself on us. : I must say that I am shocked. My impression has been that Jayne Kulikaskas : usually writes this much less offensive and ludicrous than this. I am not : saying that the offensiveness is intentional, but it is clear and it is : something for Christians to consider. Jayne stands in pretty good company. C.S. Lewis wrote a whole book promoting the idea contained in her first sentence quoted above. It is called ""The Final Divorce"". Excellent book on the subject of Heaven and Hell, highly recommended. It's an allegory of souls who are invited, indeed beseeched to enter Heaven, but reject the offer because being with God in Heaven means giving up their false pride. -- Joe Kellett jkellett@netcom.com " 8058,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 39 phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes: >In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: >This is not true. The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the >existence of God. As much as some people accept their Church, their priests >or straight from their own scriptures as the ""proof"", this does not >satisfy atheists. You haven't fully explained the atheist position. Many theists believe that there is ""no proof of the existence of God"" but choose to believe in him anyway. I haven't yet found an argument for atheism that can't quickly be broken down to unprovable assumptions. This isn't a problem with me (everybody needs to have a faith) but if you believe that you can provide a ""purely logical"" argument for the nonexistence of God, I'd really like to see it. >Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of >us that makes us ask the question ""Does God exist?"" i.e. self-awareness and >reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant >as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? >You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if >we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since >we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? Ahh...but when you use science and reason, you have faith in certain beliefs of the scientific method--for example: The physical laws of the universe are stable. Our observations of reality are a valid basis for a determination of truth. Objective reality exists. Logical argument is a valid way to answer all questions. Can you prove any of these? Alan Terlep ""...and the scorpion says, 'it's Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"" atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu " 8059,1,"From: egerter@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Barry Egerter) Subject: Re: Graphics Library Package Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 43 WGT is the WordUp Graphics Toolkit, designed by yours truly and my co-programmer (and brother) Chris Egerter. It is a Turbo/Borland C++ graphics library for programming in 320*200*256 VGA. We are currently producing it as shareware, but in a few years it may be a commercial product (excuse typos, there's no backspace on this terminal). Features include: - loading and saving bit-images (called blocks from herein) - flipping, resizing and warping blocks - loading and saving palette, fading, several in memory at once - graphics primitives such as line, circle, bar, rectangle - region fill (not the usually useless floodfill) - sprites (animated bitmaps), up to 200 onscreen at once - joystick/mouse support - SB support (VOC and CMF) - tile-based game creation using 16*16 pixel tiles to create a 320*200 tile map (or game world) like in Duke Nuke 'Em - number of sprites increased to 1000 - Professional Sprite Creator utility and Map Maker - routines to simplify scrolling games using maps, etc - FLI playing routines, sprites can be animated over the FLI while playing - PCX support, soon GIF - EMS/XMS coming soon as well Leave E-mail to Barry Egerter at egerter@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Files available on: (use mget wgt*.zip) SIMTEL20 and mirrors pd1: nic.funet.fi pub/msdos/games/programming Some sites may not have recent files, contact me for info regarding the up-to- date information. " 8060,6,"From: daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb) Subject: Gameboy games: Trade for Genesis, Game Gear or Gameboy Games (Uupdate) Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 30 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu I have the following GameBoy Games available for TRADE! Pitfighter Metroid II Bases Loaded Blades Of Steel Malibu Beach Volleyball World Cup Soccer Tennis.. Spiderman Robocop Motocross Maniacs Double Dribble 5 on 5 Basketball Looking for: Genesis Games Missile Command (Gameboy) Game Gear games Please leave e-mail if interested! Thanx Dave Webb P.S. I'm still waiting to hear from Allen Thoren Jr. about trading MB Volleyball for Missile Command... Please get in touch. Also waiting to hear from Raul (rombh@cunyvm.cuny.edu) about Genesis trade... " 8061,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7 In-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 62 In article <1993Apr19.182327.3420@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: [Prof. Denning's description of SkipJack mostly omitted] CHIP STRUCTURE The Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. Throughput is 16 Mbits a second. [...] F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip The key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then fed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block. Three questions: 1) It looks like each 64 bits of input gives you 4*64 bits of output: E[M;K] = 64 bits E[K;U] = E[ 80 bits ] = 128 bits E[ E[K;U], N ; F ] = E[ 128 + 30 bits ] = 192 bits Do you really need to transmit all 256 bits each time, or do you only transmit the 192 bits of wiretap block at the beginning? All 256 would be really obnoxious for bandwidth-limited applications like cellular phones (or even regular phones over 2) how do the 4 DES modes interact with the two-part output? Do the various feedback modes only apply to the message block, or also to the wiretap block? Or, if the wiretap block is only transmitted at the beginning, does it get incorporated into everything through feedback modes, but not during ECB mode? 3) Does the Clipper Chip check the wiretap block itself? Does the block have to be present at all? Since the receiving chip doesn't know the transmitter's U, it presumably can't check the validity of E[K;U], so it's limited to checking the *form* of the wiretap block, and maybe checking the serial number for reasonableness (unless there's some sort of back-door structure that lets it recognize a valid E[K;U].) In that case, can you replace the wiretap block with a DIFFERENT wiretap block, presumably an old valid one to avoid attracting attention? (The chip won't do it, so you postprocess the output.) Regular people can do one with their own serial number and a dummy key; paranoid people can use someone else's serial number. On the other hand, if I could think of that solution so easily, presumably the NSA could too - have they done something to block it, like use message encryption that's really E[M; K,U,N] ? Thanks! -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 8062,6,"From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes) Subject: Keyboards, Drives, Radios for sale! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu Hello. I have these items for sale. Terms are UPS COD or prepayment by money order. 2 101 keyboards for IBM compatibles 1 Mitsumi 1.2 MB 5 1/4 floppy disk drive 1 Sony SRF-M30 digital AM/FM Stereo Walkman The drive cost me $65, the keyboards were $40 each, and the Sony radio cost $45. I will sell for the best offers. Thank You. -- / / Buchanan in `96! / / Fear the goverment that fears your guns. \ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou \/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu " 8063,6,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Star Trek (TOS) novels: 3/$8 package Summary: Price of the Phoenix; Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: usa Lines: 16 Some reading from a recent interview trip ... waiting all day at O'Hare a month ago, waiting out the storm here in New York! The Price of the Phoenix; The Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime Take the package for $8, or in trade for a good used CD ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 8064,9,"From: iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) Subject: Re: Yogi-isms Reply-To: iacs3650@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr2.153725.17543@bsu-ucs> 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: > >Here's an interesting quote from Bill Veek from _Get that Nigger off >the Field_: > ""Josh (Gibson) was, at minimum, two Yogi Berras."" >Speaking of Yogi, anybody know any good Yogi-isms? >Mike ""Curious George"" Stultz Here's one I remember: (sort of) Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone. After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi up. Yogi answered, ""No, the phone did."" Kevin " 8065,10,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion) In-Reply-To: tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:39:37 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 120 In tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI writes: > Now what if the two teams were merged (this has been proposed in Tampere > with Ilves ( =Lynx) and Tappara ( =Axe). The fans wouldn't take it ! > They rather see their teams out of the playoffs most of the time or even > relegated than merged. It's not that difficult to understand, it's just > like here in Helsinki. You *grow up* being either a Jokerit- or HIFK -fan. > The other team is the last team in the world you would support. I'm not > talking about 'hate' but about extremely deeply rooted rivalry. ""Deeply rooted rivalry?"" Ahem, Jokerit have been around since 1967 and joined the top flight only in the early '70s. Helsingfors IFK have been around since 1897 but fans only started taking hockey seriously in the 1960s so I think you're exagerating here. > However, it's been proved that both fan groups can cheer the same team > - that's ""the Finnish national team"". Maybe that's how you could set up a > huge franchise in Finland. No one has ever said that the team must be > called after one city or play all its games on one arena. Just one Team > Finland and Team Sweden in the NHL just wouldn't make any sense - we have > way more talent than 1/24th of the total of North American talent. After a > couple of seasons you would never see the cup going anywhere outside the > Nordic (presuming that our teams would have the advantage in drafting > local talent, as prooposed). That's a rather bold claim, in the light of how successful the Canadian & American Olympic teams have been . . . and they've had to play according to our set of rules and on international ice. The 1992 Olympic teams contained about as much talent as your average expansion team. Canada had Eric Lindros, Sean Burke, Joe Juneau and Chris Kontos. Another four or five have been deep subs in the NHL. As for the Yanks, Keith Tkachuk, Scott Lachance, Bret Hedican, Shawn McEachern, Steve Heintze, Ted Donato, Joe Sacco and Bill Guerin have been 3rd/4th line players in the NHL, while Robb Stauber has done well for the Kings in goal. Nothing more. In fact, I'm sure that an All-Star team assembled from the best Finnish League teams would do no better in the NHL than Hartford or Tampa Bay currently are doing. --- But what happens if _all_ top-class Finnish & Swedish players gradually end up with Helsinki & Stockholm as the North American-based ones gradually retire and no Canadian/American team is allowed to draft new players from Scandinavia? Here is what THE HOCKEY NEWS scouts think of our NHL-based players: (28-30=superstar) (23-27=star) (18-22=NHL regular+) (13-17=NHL regular) ( 8-12=role player) FINLAND: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 D-Teppo Numminen....20 D-Peter Ahola.......13 C-Jari Kurri........25 C-Christian Ruuttu..16 R-Teemu Selanne.....27 L-Esa Tikkanen......20 (Obviously, Selanne's ratings would be higher today than they were in January) SWEDEN: D-Ulf Samuelsson....21 D-Fredrik Olausson..20 D-Niklas Lidstrom...18 D-Calle Johansson...18 D-Kjell Samuelsson..17 D-Tommy Sjodin......13 D-Tommy Albelin......7 C-Mats Sundin.......26 C-Thomas Steen......18 R-Thomas Sandstrom..22 R-Ulf Dahlen........18 R-Michael Nylander..13 L-Per-Erik Eklund...18 L-Johan Garpenlov...16 L-Mikael Andersson..15 L-Jan Erixon........14 This would be interesting. Clearly, Finland's top five players (Winnipeg's Selanne & Numminen, Vancouver's Lumme, Los Angeles' Jari Kurri and New York's Tikkanen) are right up there with any five-man unit Pittsburgh & co. have. But I have my doubts about the home-based Finnish players - the national team did well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. --- Sweden is easier to judge because they have more players in North America. Their points total (16 players) is 274 - seven more than Ottawa's 22 top players combined! If we estimate there are six more NHL regulars back home in Sweden, an all-Swedish team would assemble about 350-360 skill points. Deducting some points from Pittsburgh, NY Rangers and other teams that rely on Swedish players, the Swedish team would finish in sixth place - about as high as Boston, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal on paper! So, the ""dynasty"" talk isn't completely unfounded here. An all-Finnish/all-Swedish team might have an advantage because the players would be playing at home half of the time, won't have to adapt to a foreign country and a foreign language, and presumably play the wide-open European variant of hockey rather than have to learn the North American checking game. However, if free agency becomes a factor the top Scandinavian players still might end up playing for large-market teams after a couple of years the same way Edmonton's ""dynasty"" crumbled in the late '80s. Some fringe players likely will be drafted by other NHL teams as having an exclusive talent pool might be a bit unfair after all. I'd settle for a compromise, prohibit all European teams from signing a North American during the first two rounds but allow them to keep their top two players. After this, the amateur draft should be open to anyone. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > J O O J O O J O K E R I T ! ! ! Finland over Czech in the Final > B R U I N P O W E R ! ! ! Bruins over Blackhawks in 6 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARCU$ " 8066,15,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception Organization: none Lines: 21 maxwell c muir writes: Just a quick question. If Mary was Immaculately concieved, so she could be a pure vessel, does this mean that she was without sin and, therefore, the perfect (meaning sinless) female human being? Is this why she is held so highly in the Catholic Church despite it's basically patriarchical structure? She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin, but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life. This was possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God. She is regarded so highly because of her special relationship to God, and everything that flows from that relationship. The Catholic Church sees her as the new Eve. (The Fathers in the early Church use this particular figure a lot.) Eve is the mother of all the living in a genetic sense. Mary is the mother of all the living in the order of grace. As sin came through Eve, so Grace -- Jesus Christ -- came through Mary. " 8067,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu Why does the Center For Policy Research pose such unbelievably stupid and loaded questions to this newsgroup. What are you? - a think tank, or a fish tank? Every time I start to believe I have seen the outer boundaries of your stupidity, you come up with one step beyond. When will it end, man? Can you actually have brain enough to dress and feed yourself each morning? " 8068,10,"From: Anna Matyas Subject: Re: ABC coverage Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 25 Distribution: usa <1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Gerald Olchowy writes: >Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant >in my opinion), is a terrible >analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example >being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday. > >I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew >did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't >any Dick Irvin. > >As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or >the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any day. Personality means something to me. That is exactly why I like Clement (and Emrick). On the other hand, JD is a pompous, bull-headed, arrogant know-it-all. He's a real turn-off (which is exactly what I do when he's on). One complaint I do have about Clement is that he sometimes talks too much. If I wanted that I'd listen to Tim McGarver doing a baseball game. Mom. " 8069,6,"From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael) Subject: FOR SALE: 4-TRACK RECORDER Originator: zmed16@zircon Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Lines: 11 I have a Fostex X-26 4-Track Recorder for sale. It is in excellent condition and includes Dolby Noise Reduction, sub-mixing, 6 inputs and uses normal cassettes. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to: zmed16@trc.amoco.com Thanks, Mike " 8070,4,"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) writes: >I believe it goes or will go: >680060 >powerPC >Pentium Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . Note that SPECint is more important for most real world applications. >680040 >486 As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . >680030 >386 >680020 >286=680000 >In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was > slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed > for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie > quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. > Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system > at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the > speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think > it laps the pentium. Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola ""equivalents"" although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance is something that is highly debatable. >pro-life pro-women >-- >=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= > Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. " 8071,8,"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: University of East Anglia Lines: 78 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: >>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >> >1. All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand >the technique of countersteering. Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way through a corner?? >The underlying physics are a >different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. Agreed! >Countersteering >(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the >technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance >manuvers. This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to disagree?? I still think that telling newbies to steer left to turn to the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they'll do it anyway if they just get on the bike and ride the damn thing. >2. *I* know exactly what's happening. It's those *other* gits that >haven't a clue! :^) Me too!! :-) >>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how >>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course. >>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre >>*just* beginning to slide against the road. >Then we are in violent disagreement. While what you state is true, it >is insufficient to form a traction management policy. Available >traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to >the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and >correspondingly decreases at the rear. Thus, a *technique* of applying >both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the >front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and >available traction. Jeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I thought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway locomotives... The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In practice I suspect most people do what you describe. >Saying, ""brake until the tire just begins to slide"" is next to useless >advice to a newbie. He has to go out and slide the tire to find out >where that is! It also gives him zero information from which to >develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and >corresponding weight shift develop. If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing exactly as *you* suggest!! " 8072,9,"From: 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's Lines: 14 I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he start Maldonado over May. After the way May played at the end of last year and the way he tore up the Cactus League how could you let him sit the bench? Not to mention that a right hander (Maddux) started. I really blew my top when Lefebvre pinch hit for Rick Wilkins with TOMMY SHIELDS! How can you do that just because of the lefty-righty thing, too much is made of that. Wilkins is twice the hitter that Shields is. Then the next batter was Jose Vizcaino, one of the weakest hitters I have ever seen, and who had looked terrible at bat all day, and Lefebre let him hit, while May still sat the bench. I think even Arnie Harris was stunned by this because he showed May sitting in the dugout while Vizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in baseball. A dishard Cub fan " 8073,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: The Area Rule Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 20 Distribution: sci NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I am sure Mary or Henry can describe this more aptly then me. But here is how i understand it. At Speed, Near supersonic. The wind behaves like a fluid pipe. It becomes incompressible. So wind has to bend away from the wing edges. AS the wing thickens, the more the pipes bend. If they have no place to go, they begin to stall, and force compression, stealing power from the vehicle (High Drag). If you squeeze the fuselage, so that these pipes have aplace to bend into, then drag is reduced. Essentially, teh cross sectional area of the aircraft shoulf remain constant for all areas of the fuselage. That is where the wings are subtract, teh cross sectional area of the wings from the fuselage. pat " 8074,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 157 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that > the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only > used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file As usual, David Sternlight is demonstrating his inability to read. The proposal clearly states: => The initiative will involve the creation of new products to => accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure => telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. It speaks about telecommunications in general. Read it again, David. Maybe you'll understand it the next time... Nah, probably not. > encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced > standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to > easy-to-break inverters. That's exactly what the government wants all sheep-minded people to think. Let's look at the current situation. It allows to almost anybody to eavesdrop almost everybody, unless secure (and I mean secure) encryption is used. What will happen when (""if""? Ha! optimists...) the new proposal gets accepted? Almost nobody EXCEPT SOME will be able to eavesdrop everybody else, but the ability of these ""some"" to eavesdrop will be guaranteed! The proposal emphasizes on the former (""almost nobody"") - which is clearly an improvement - and ""forgets"" to mention the drawbacks of the latter (""guaranteed""). Yes, my statement assumes that the next step will be to make the strong crypto unlawful. You think that it will not happen? Good luck. > Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. It's not just ""continued ability"". It's -guaranteed- ability. > Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for > e-mail and files, let's focus on this. Yeah, that's exactly what your government wants you to think. Let's take small steps, one at a time. Concentrate on the current one, don't think about the future. Trust us. > One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is > limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. It's not asked because the proposal clearly says that this is the intention. They, unlike you, read what they write. > Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal > less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no > secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can > eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and > cordless phones. Yes, it will. It will stop the jerk who is eavesdropping now. It will allow only to the government to eavesdrop. (If the scheme is secure, of course, which is yet to be proven.) But how do you know that the jerk you are fearing now will not get a government job tomorrow? The new proposal -guarantees- him the ability to eavesdrop then. Hell, that will even motivate him to get that job - if he indeed is that mentally pervert... > Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure > without access to the keys. Great. The Greatest Cryptographer of All Times David Sternlight (tm) has succeeded to evaluate the new system in the absense of any details whatsoever and has concluded that it is ""highly secure"". I guess, that comes from the background of working some 50 years for the two major crypto evaluating companies, right? Gee, now the government can save all that money and trouble to ask a secret council of crypto experts to secretly analyse the new secret method - for David Sternlight has already done all the job for them... > This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses > confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese > security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make > available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. ""Trust us, we're from the Government and we're here to help you."" > Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to > have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of > depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable ""Those who are prepared to trade their liberties for the promises of future safety, do not deserve either."" This (or something like that; I don't have the exact quote, but the meaning is the same) has been said by one of your great men. Maybe you should study their works more carefully, if you have the brains to understand them, of course. > From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that > need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in The main question is to guarantee to availability of -really- secure cryptography to the masses. Gee, if the proposal was saying ""we guarantee that every American will still have the full right to use any kind of encryption s/he would like and regard this proposal as just a default, voluntary implementation"", there would have been much less opposition... For some reason, they didn't even try to promise you that. I wonder why... Was Orwell off only by 10 years? > return we get access to high-security crypto. No, in return you get crypto that is guaranteed to be crippled. > Many have suggested that DES > and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly > skilled and endowed. While the above is just rumors, and while even if it is true, it is not done -easily-, the new scheme can is guaranteed to be easily breakable by anybody who has the two keys. It might be also breakable by somebody who does not have them but knows the right trick. Or who has only one of them. NSA also told you that DES is secure, why don't you simply trust them, huh? > There is at least a good possibility (which should be > checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to It is -guaranteed- to be -easily- breakable - just get the keys. It might be even easier, but until there is some evidence, this is just a wild speculation. > be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys The trapdoors -are- there. In government's hands. The keys. > pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate > communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to > eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. Legitimate? And who decides what communications are legitimate? Oh, I guess, it's the government, right? The guys who already have the keys? It's kinda if I have the keys from your car and I am asked to decide who has the right to use it ""legitimately""... > In discussing this, let's try to avoid the nastiness, personal attacks and > noise of some previous threads. Impossible, since you are demonstrating the same level of incompetence and ignorance as in the provious threads. > This is a substantive and technical issue, > and personal remarks have no place in such a discussion. Unfortunately, I have yet to see you posting a technically competent message. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 8075,11,"From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA Distribution: na Lines: 23 In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: :In article :holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: :>Note that measures to protect yourself from :>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. :I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially. :Even Macs. Sure you can buy a TEMPEST approved Mac -- if you have enough money. I haven't had any reason to look at this type of pricing for about 10 years, but a TEMPEST rating in 1982 would raise the price of a $2,495.00 Radio Shack Model III to something around $15,000.00. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: ...!thebes!camco!bill 6641 East Mercer Way uunet!camco!bill Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO? " 8076,19,"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: Re: Silence is concurance Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Distribution: usa Lines: 76 In article <9157@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between }Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out Hate to shatter your self image of perfection that you appear to hold, but your language is wrong: Jim and me. }I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and }Jim Meritt took quotes out of context. Hence, I find it difficult to }understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite. Needless to say, I don't }have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote }out of context. Of course not - just the ones you disagree with. Q.E.D. }>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for }>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a }>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? } }Jim replied by saying }>Did I either ask or assert that? } }But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject So? As of then, and pointing out a specific instance. Wrongo again. }>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of }>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual }>may be held responsible for that action? } }Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of }context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on }t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all. So? Check the newsgroups? }Does ""silence is concurrence"" imply that Jim thinks that because I }didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes }out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this }question; read what he has written and decide for yourself. Telepathy again? You claim to know what I ""want"". }But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next }gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he }concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide }the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion. No. YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours. }Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help Maybe to the ignorant. I accept your classification. }More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large }number of my articles? Do you know what ""uncountably large"" means? It does not appear so. }Could Jim mean that because I ""axed"" his articles, }but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ... }Well, I can't see where he is going with this. I am not suprised. }But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80 That does not appear to be the case. The appearance of your ""Argument"" is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written by a stagehand at Paramount. }Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it }through your induction engine and see what pops out. Of course. You appear arrogant. So? I already had figured that out. " 8077,2,"From: cac2g@Virginia.EDU (""THE Wing Commander"") Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Lines: 4 Has anybody gotten this BMP to work? I try to uudecode it, but I get ""input file error"" and no picture. Anybody? --Casey " 8078,10,"From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: blue.7995 Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 93 In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: > > MVP Surprise Disappointment > --------------------------------------------- >|> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque > Gartner Zubov Bourque > ... >Bourque - the Penguin's GM must laugh his head off every time he thinks >of the Rangers and this loser. > >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Scott Cairns | email: scairns@fsg.com | >| Fusion Systems Group | usmail: 225 Broadway, 24th Fl | >| New York, New York, USA | New York, NY 10007 | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Standard disclaimers apply. | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, | >| vicious people, because then I bet a lot of high schools would | >| pick 'Americans' as their mascot. | >| - Jack Handey | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ Please. Have a care with Phil. We liked him a lot in Pittsburgh. He didn't score a lot if you look at his stats last year but he worked his butt off. It was his speed that created opportunities in the offensive zone that allowed the Pens to utilize his potential. I haven't been paying attention to him this year so I can't say I know what you're objecting to. He has been out with injuries though, hasn't he? And if the offense isn't there, there's not much his speed will do for you. Like I said, he created opportunities but he didn't score much. I thought the money offered from the Rangers was a little high, and so did the Pens, I guess. Joseph Stiehm In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: > > MVP Surprise Disappointment > --------------------------------------------- >|> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque > Gartner Zubov Bourque > ... >Bourque - the Penguin's GM must laugh his head off every time he thinks >of the Rangers and this loser. > >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Scott Cairns | email: scairns@fsg.com | >| Fusion Systems Group | usmail: 225 Broadway, 24th Fl | >| New York, New York, USA | New York, NY 10007 | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Standard disclaimers apply. | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, | >| vicious people, because then I bet a lot of high schools would | >| pick 'Americans' as their mascot. | >| - Jack Handey | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ Please. Have a care with Phil. We liked him a lot in Pittsburgh. He didn't score a lot if you look at his stats last year but he worked his butt off. It was his speed that created opportunities in the offensive zone that allowed the Pens to utilize his potential. I haven't been paying attention to him this year so I can't say I know what you're objecting to. He has been out with injuries though, hasn't he? And if the offense isn't there, there's not much his speed will do for you. Like I said, he created opportunities but he didn't score much. I thought the money offered from the Rangers was a little high, and so did the Pens, I guess. Joseph Stiehm " 8079,11,"From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) Subject: CRYPTO 93 FINAL CALL Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 258 NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu ............................................................................ CRYPTO '93 - Conference Announcement & Final Call for Papers ............................................................................ The Thirteenth Annual CRYPTO Conference, sponsored by the International Association for Cryptologic Research (IACR), in cooperation with the IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Security and Privacy, the Computer Science Department of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Bell-Northern Research (a subsidiary of Northern Telecom), will be held on the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara, on August 22-26, 1993. Original research papers and technical expository talks are solicited on all practical and theoretical aspects of cryptology. It is anticipated that some talks may also be presented by special invitation of the Program Committee. ------------------------- INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS: Authors are requested to send 12 copies of a detailed abstract (not a full paper) by April 26, 1993, to the Program Chair at the address given below. A limit of 10 pages of 12pt type (not counting the bibliography or the title page) is placed on all submissions. Submissions must arrive on time or be postmarked no later than April 21, 1993 and sent by airmail in order to receive consideration by the Program Committee. It is required that submissions start with a succinct statement of the problem addressed, the solution proposed, and its significance to cryptology, appropriate for a non-specialist reader. Technical development directed to the specialist should follow as needed. ------------------------- Abstracts that have been submitted to other conferences that have proceedings are NOT eligible for submission. Submissions MUST BE ANONYMOUS. This means that names and affiliations of authors should only appear on the title page of the submission; it should be possible to remove this page and send the papers to Program Committee members. A Latex style file that produces output in this format is available by email from the Program Chair. Authors will be informed of acceptance or rejection in a letter mailed on or before June 21, 1993. A compilation of all accepted abstracts will be available at the conference in the form of pre-proceedings. Authors of accepted abstracts will be allowed to submit revised versions for the pre-proceedings. A revised abstract should contain only minor changes and corrections to the originally submitted abstract. All revised abstracts must be received by the Program Chair by July 16, 1993. THE 10 PAGE LIMIT WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED for the pre-proceedings. Complete conference proceedings are expected to be published in Springer- Verlag's Lecture Notes in Computer Science series at a later date, pending negotiation. ------------------------- The Program Committee consists of D. Stinson (Chair, Nebraska) M. Bellare (IBM T. J. Watson) E. Biham (Technion, Israel) E. Brickell (Sandia National Labs) J. Feigenbaum (AT&T Bell Labs) R. Impagliazzo (UCSD) A. Odlyzko (AT&T Bell Labs) T. Okamoto (NTT, Japan) B. Pfitzmann (Hildesheim, Germany) R. Rueppel (R3, Switzerland) S. Vanstone (Waterloo, Canada) ------------------------- Send submissions to the Program Chair: Douglas R. Stinson, Crypto '93 Computer Science and Engineering Department 115 Ferguson Hall, University of Nebraska Lincoln, NE 68588-0115 USA Telephone: (402)-472-7791 Fax: (402)-472-7767 Internet: stinson@bibd.unl.edu For other information, contact the General Chair: Paul C. Van Oorschot, Crypto '93 Bell-Northern Research (MAIL STOP 000) 3500 Carling Ave. Nepean, Ontario K2H 8E9 Canada Telephone: (613)-763-4199 Fax: (613)-763-2626 Internet: crypto93@bnr.ca ............................................................................ CRYPTO '93 - General Information (August 22 - 26, 1993) ............................................................................ THE PROGRAM: Crypto'93 is the thirteenth in a series of workshops on cryptology held at Santa Barbara, and is sponsored by the International Association for Cryptologic Research, in cooperation with the IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Security and Privacy, the Computer Science Department of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Bell-Northern Research (a subsidiary of Northern Telecom). The program for the workshop will cover all aspects of cryptology. Extended abstracts of the papers presented at the conference will be distributed to all attendees at the conference, and formal proceedings will be published at a later date. In addition to the regular program of papers selected or invited by the program committee, there will be a rump session on Tuesday evening for informal presentations. Facilities will also be provided for attendees to demonstrate hardware, software and other items of cryptographic interest. If you wish to demonstrate such items, you are urged to contact the General Chair so that your needs will be attended to. The social program will include hosted cocktail parties on Sunday and Monday. In addition, there will be a beach barbecue on Wednesday evening. The price of the barbecue is included in the room and board charge, and extra tickets may be purchased. ABOUT THE CONFERENCE FACILITIES: The workshop will be held on the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara. The campus is located adjacent to the Santa Barbara airport and the Pacific Ocean. Accommodations are available in the university dormitories at relatively low cost for conference participants. Children under the age of 13 are not allowed to stay in the dormitories, so those bringing small children will need to make separate arrangements in one of several nearby hotels. More information on hotels is enclosed. Parking on campus is available at no cost to the participants. However, participants must indicate on the registration form if they desire a parking permit. TRAVEL INFORMATION: The campus is located approximately 2 miles from the Santa Barbara airport, which is served by several airlines, including American, America West, Delta, United, and US Air. Free shuttle bus service will be provided between the Santa Barbara airport and the campus on Sunday and Thursday afternoons. All major rental car agencies are also represented in Santa Barbara, and AMTRAK has rail connections to San Francisco from the north and Los Angeles from the south. Santa Barbara is approximately 100 miles north of Los Angeles airport, and 350 miles south of San Francisco. REGISTRATION: Participation is invited by interested parties, but attendance at the workshop is limited, and pre-registration is strongly advised. Late registrations, subject to a late registration fee, may be accepted if space is available, but there are NO GUARANTEES. To register, fill out the attached registration form and return to the address on the form along with payment in full before July 9, 1993. Campus accommodations will be available on a first come, first serve basis for attendees who register by July 9, 1993. The conference fees include participation in the program and all social functions, as well as membership to the IACR and a subscription to the Journal of Cryptology. The room and board charges include dormitory lodging and meals >from dinner on Sunday to lunch on Thursday. Technical sessions will run >from Monday morning to Thursday at noon. A very limited number of stipends are available to those unable to obtain funding. Applications for stipends should be sent to the General Chair before June 4, 1993. ............................................................................ CRYPTO '93 - CRYPTO '93 Registration Form ............................................................................ REGISTRATION DEADLINE: July 9, 1993 Last Name: _____________________________________________ First Name: _____________________________________________ Sex: (M)__ (F)__ Affiliation: _______________________________________________________________ Mailing Address: __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ Phone: __________________________________ FAX: ___________________________ Electronic Mail: __________________________________________________________ Payment of the conference fee entitles you to membership in the International Association for Cryptologic Research for one year at no extra charge, including a subscription to the Journal of Cryptology, published by Springer- Verlag, at no extra charge. Do you wish to be an IACR member? YES__ NO__ The conference fee also includes the conference proceedings when they become available, containing final versions of conference papers. The book of extended abstracts distributed at the conference will contain only shortened preliminary versions of these papers (maximum 10 pages). Conference fee: Regular ($280) US$ _______ Attended Eurocrypt'93, Norway ($230) _______ Full time student ($190) _______ deduct $50 if you do not wish proceedings _______ Total conference fee: US$_______ Room and Board (4 nights): Smoking ___ Non-smoking ___ Single room ($275 per person) _______ Double room ($225 per person) _______ Roommate's name: ____________________________________ Extra barbecue tickets ($20 each; one is included in room and board) _______ $40 late fee for registration after July 9; REGISTRATION NOT GUARANTEED AFTER JULY 9 _______ Total funds enclosed (U.S. dollars): US$ _______ Payment must be by check PAYABLE IN U.S. FUNDS, by money order IN U.S. FUNDS, or by U.S. BANK DRAFT, payable to: CRYPTO'93. Payment should be mailed to the General Chair: Paul C. Van Oorschot, CRYPTO'93 Bell-Northern Research (MAIL STOP 000) 3500 Carling Ave. Nepean, Ontario K2H 8E9 Canada ............................................................................ CRYPTO '93 - Hotel Information ............................................................................ For those who choose not to stay in the dormitories, the following is a partial list of hotels in the area. Those who choose to stay off campus are responsible for making their own reservations, and early reservations are advised since August is a popular season in Santa Barbara. Note that Goleta is closer to UCSB than Santa Barbara, but that a car will probably be required to travel between any hotel and the campus. All prices are subject to change; prices should be confirmed by calling the individual hotels directly. However, mention CRYPTO'93 when you are making your reservation and in several of the hotels listed you will be eligible for the university rate which can be significantly less than the normal rates. We are not able to block rooms in these hotels, so please make reservations as early as possible. The quality of the hotels range from rather expensive beach-front resorts to basic inexpensive accommodations. For further information, try contacting the Santa Barbara Convention and Visitors Center, (805)-966-9222. South Coast Inn: 5620 Calle Real, Goleta, CA 93117. Regular rates: Single $89, Double $94; call for University rates. Contact Murrill Forrester at (805)-967-3200 or toll-free at (800)-350-3614. Cathedral Oaks Lodge: 4770 Calle Real, Santa Barbara, 93110. Single rates not available, Double rates start at $84 including breakfast; no University rates. Call Tom Patton at (805)-964-3511 or toll-free at (800)-654-1965. Motel 6: 5897 Calle Real, Goleta, CA 93117. Single $33.95, Double $39.95, no University rate available. Call (505)-891-6161. The Sandman Inn: 3714 State St., Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Regular rates: Single or Double $84, $94 for king-size, University rate $65. Call Jean Ingerle at (805)-687-2468 or toll-free at (800)-350-8174. Miramar Hotel (Beachfront): 3 miles south of Santa Barbara on U.S. 101 at San Ysidro turnoff. Regular rates: $70-$135. No University rates. Call (805)-969-2203. Pepper Tree Inn: 3850 State St., Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Regular rates: $106-$112 for two people, University rates $96-$102 for two people. Call Christopher Oliphant at (805)-687-5511 or toll-free at (800)-338-0030. Encina Lodge: 220 Bath Street, Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Regular rates $106-$108 for two people, no University rates. Call Carol Wolford at (805)-682-7550 or toll-free at (800)-526-2282. Quality Suites: 5500 Hollister Ave, Santa Barbara, CA 93111 (close to campus). Regular rates: Single $125, Double $145, University rates $99 double (must mention you are attending a UCSB program). Call Michael Ensign at (805)-683-6722. Upham Hotel (bed-and-breakfast): 1404 De La Vina Road, Santa Barbara, CA 93101. University rate $85 (mention you are from Crypto). Call Sheila Donegan at (805)-962-0058. ............................................................................ -- stevew@helios.unl.edu |=| \ Fender / |=| ... smoke on the water, fire in |=| \ / |=| the sky... Smoke on the water. stevew@hoss.unl.edu |=| \/ |=| (36 bars guitar solo) Deep purple, the best " 8080,14,"From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan) Subject: Re: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Organization: LESC Lines: 19 In <1993Apr20.041300.21721@ncsu.edu> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: > I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following >companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel >offices or like bureau. The companies are: > - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) 101 Courageous Dr. Leage City, TX 77573 Phone: (713) 538-6000 Good Luck! Doug -- Doug Egan ""It's not what you got - Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. It's what you give."" Houston, TX -Tesla ***** email: egan@blkbox.com ***** " 8081,3,From: scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg (SARDJONO INSANI) Subject: Connecting Apple Laserwriter II to IBM PC Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 11 Has anyone tried connecting an Apple Laserwriter II to a PC? Do I need any special controller card or software to do that? Thanks for any comments. -- ======================== Sardjono Insani scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg ======================== 8082,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 22 Jim Perry (perry@dsinc.com) wrote: : The Bible says there is a God; if that is true then our atheism is : mistaken. What of it? Seems pretty obvious to me. Socrates said : there were many gods; if that is true then your monotheism (and our : atheism) is mistaken, even if Socrates never existed. Jim, I think you must have come in late. The discussion (on my part at least) began with Benedikt's questioning of the historical acuuracy of the NT. I was making the point that, if the same standards are used to validate secular history that are used here to discredit NT history, then virtually nothing is known of the first century. You seem to be saying that the Bible -cannot- be true because it speaks of the existence of God as it it were a fact. Your objection has nothing to do with history, it is merely another statement of atheism. Bill " 8083,18,"From: starowl@bolero.rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Article-I.D.: rahul.C51D0n.3Fw Reply-To: starowl@a2i.rahul.net Organization: D Service Actuarial Consulting Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero X-Header: IGNORE ignore Ignore IgNoRe this line rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes: >Very simple. An 'Insurance Commissioner' is a bureaucrat - a regulator. >It is his/her duties to make rules to enforce laws. ...and to make life difficult for us actuaries..... :-/ -- Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Champaign, IL / southeast AL ""THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves."" -- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E) " 8084,5,"From: Bill.Kayser@delft.SGp.slb.COM (Bill Kayser) Subject: Re: TeleUse, UIM/X, and C++ Article-I.D.: parsival.199304060629.AA00339 Organization: The Internet Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Cc: Bill.Kayser@delft.sgp.slb.com > > Does anyone have any good ideas on how to integrate C++ code elegantly > with TeleUse, UIM/X / Interface Architect generated code? > > Source would be great, but any suggestions are welcome. It's my understanding that the next release of UIM/X, due out last February :-) has full support for C++. I use XDesigner which does not have the interpreter or UI meta languages of these other tools but does fully support C++ code generation, reusable templates via C++ classes which are generated, a variety of other handy features for using C++ and layout functions in different ways, and generates Motif 1.2 code (including drag 'n drop, internationalization, etc.). Fits in quite nicely with Doug Young's paradigm for C++/Motif. Available in the US from VI Corp, in Europe from Imperial Software, London (see FAQ for details). Bill ________________________________________________________________________ Schlumberger Geco Prakla kayser@delft.sgp.slb.com " 8085,9,"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 122 In steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. And some comments, with some players deleted. >Third Basemen >------------- >Name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88-92 >Mitchell, Kevin .690 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.690 Yep, that Kevin Mitchell. I never would have expected him in the #1 spot. >Gonzales, Rene .685 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.685 It's no accident that the first two names are 1988 only. As with first and second base, 1988 was the year of the glove. Average DA was 20 points higher in both leagues than any other year. >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short. >Pendleton, Terry .692 .685 .631 .689 .634 0.667 Highest five-year regular, though he's only had one year as good as Kevin Mitchell :->. >Ventura, Robin ---- ---- .641 .647 .677 0.657 >Wallach, Tim .728 .674 .600 .630 .665 0.657 >Gruber, Kelly .717 .657 .580 .630 .664 0.650 The other elite fielders in the league. >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average. His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play third. >Williams, Matt ---- ---- .633 .653 .656 0.647 Add another to the elite fielders list. >Caminiti, Ken ---- .675 .630 .653 .596 0.642 >Sabo, Chris .751 .626 .616 .613 .575 0.642 Too fielders whose career average may overstate their value. I don't know what happened to Caminiti -- judging by the three previous years, his low 1992 may be a fluke. Sabo is merely average, however. His incredible 1988 (best year ever) brings his average up a lot. >Buechele, Steve .647 .616 .647 .681 .599 0.635 Strange last two years. >Schmidt, Mike .628 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.628 According to reputation, one of the best fielders ever at third base. But at the end, he was below average. (Average in 1988 was .643). >Boggs, Wade .643 .659 .550 .653 .634 0.626 Boggs has been pretty good. I don't know what happened in 1990, but every other year he has been above average, usually by quite a bit. >Martinez, Egdar ---- ---- .621 .645 .599 0.624 Last year -- a fluke or a portent? >*NL Average* .643 .625 .602 .623 .603 0.619 >Seitzer, Kevin .654 .583 .593 ---- .635 0.616 >*AL Average* .641 .612 .604 .620 .602 0.615 Why is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close to one another, but very different from year to year? Any ideas? >Jacoby, Brook .624 .621 .600 ---- .597 0.613 Brook is declining. >Hansen, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .611 0.611 >Magadan, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .609 0.609 >Jefferies, Greg ---- ---- ---- ---- .606 0.606 Three first-time regulars, above average in 1992. I'm not sure why Jefferies gets all the grief about his fielding. He's never had a good year, but while at second he improved to become an average fielder, and is an average fielder at third. >Zeile, Todd ---- ---- ---- .614 .593 0.605 Zeile, on the other hand, is a below average fielder. Each year he's about 10 points below average. And it's probably not just the park, since Terry Pendleton had excellent DAs in the three years before this. >Baerga, Carlos ---- ---- ---- .604 ---- 0.604 Moving back to second was a good idea. >Hayes, Chris ---- .601 .622 .606 .574 0.602 So why is Hayes supposed to be good defensively? He's had a grand total of one year above the league DA, and was pretty bad last year. >Johnson, Howard .628 .549 .611 .573 ---- 0.588 >Lansford, Carney .620 .578 .594 ---- .550 0.587 Howard Johnson and Carney Lansford -- separated at birth. To his credit, HoJo did have one above average year (1990). Lansford couldn't even break the .600 mark without the help of the year of the glove. >Hollins, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .577 0.577 Good hitter, but his fielding needs work. >Sheffield, Gary ---- ---- .584 ---- .567 0.575 Not a good fielder. >Blauser, Jeff ---- .573 ---- ---- ---- 0.573 >Fryman, Travis ---- ---- ---- .571 ---- 0.571 Both are better off at shortstop. >Gomez, Lee ---- ---- ---- .551 .542 0.546 Two consecutive horrible years for Leo. Camden Yards doesn't seem to have helped his fielding any. >Palmer, Dean ---- ---- ---- ---- .520 0.520 Texas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career DA, but the lowest DA at third ever. Congratulations, Dean. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 8086,7,"From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Woody"" Moss) Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 34 In article , jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes: |> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: |> |> |> > While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 |> > somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a |> > train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over |> > the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab |> > and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I |> > passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full |> > alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. |> > I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. |> |> Some, but not all, locomotives have doppler speedometers. The radar head is |> mounted looking down at the ground (to minimize intereference sent and |> received) but looking tangentally at a wheel. These are low power units |> and typically won't trigger radar detectors unless an unusual situation |> such as yours arises. |> |> John |> |> -- |> John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? |> Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? |> Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to |> jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag |> Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta? Write Me for info on Dixie.com. This makes sense(radar pointed down), because almost every train I pass head-on that triggers my radar detector does so more just after I have passed the front of the engine. I get a little of the reflections as I am approaching and the instant I get to the side of the first engine the detector receives a fairly strong signal for a short time. It happens with just about EVERY train I see. " 8087,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 94 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >I would be surprised if there weren't contrary studies. I might add that >Sloan and Kellerman was endorsed by the police departments of both Seattle >and Vancouver and is considered by most of the references I have at hand the >most exhaustive study of its kind, even by those who take issue with some of >the essay's conclusions. S&K's statistics speak largely for themselves >without postulate. And, I might add, vitamin C has been endorsed by a Nobel Laureate as a panacea for almost everything from the common cold to cancer. > In order to compare violent crime trends, S&K compared >all< >violent crime categories, from simple assault through various mechanisms of >homicide. Wait a minute. S&K did NOT compare trends. If they did, they would have seen that the advent of Canada's gun law had no effect on homicides, total or handgun. Without a pre- vs. post comparison, one cannot speculate as to the utility of anything. All they have is a correlation, and correlation DOES NOT prove causality. >If your point is that non-whites commit more handgun crimes than whites >then yours is the dubious assumption. Conventional social theory is that >economic status, not color, is the primary motivating factor for crime, >especially violent crime. What's your point anyway, that white people >are more responsible gun owners? Should we assume that it's a coincidence >that there are comparitively fewer white people earning below the poverty >line and living in tenement neighborhoods where most violent crime occurs? Hold it again. You dismiss a point about demographics, then you ask about socio-economic demographics? Very slick. > >: Differences between the two cities in the >: permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable. > >On the contrary, it's these differences that are the very basis of the study: >the easy availability of legal handguns in Seattle and the much more >difficult ""restricted-weapons"" permit required in Vancouver. Once again, correlation does not prove causality. Looking at pre-vs. post data, the Canadian gun law had no effect. > >Not so. Cook measures suicides and assaultive homicides with >firearms against a survey-based estimate of the number of legal and >illegal guns in circulation within a city. Sir, if you were a Canadian, and owned a gun before the restrictive gun laws were passed, and decided to hide it rather than turn it in, would you answer truthfully a question about gun ownership from someone who calls, writes, or asks you on the street? That is one problem with surveys. Nobody will answer an incriminating question. Another is that people will often tell you what they THINK you want to here. > >Again, your author misses the core issue: that Vancouver citizens are >prohibited from purchasing handguns on the basis of self-defense. They >don't have a choice in the matter. Does that mean no Vancouver citizens have handguns? I think not. You are discounting guns purchased beforehand, and guns purchased for purposes other than self-defense, which can also be used for defense. > >Hmmm... sounds like your author might like a bumper sticker that reads ""Guns >don't kill people, black people kill people!"" Honestly, his conjectures, >backed up by zero evidence, zero studies and even less common sense, aren't >worth the considerable time it must have taken you to type in. His >assumptions look frighteningly close to those pseudo-scientific ""studies"" >that the white supremist assholes love... the crap that takes published >statistics, twisted around in an attempt to prove the inherent criminal >nature of black people. He makes valid points about demographic differences. You then resort to the kind of argument that the ""Politically Correct"" movement often uses to stifle any debate. Nice, real nice. >This author's essay contains 0% independent study upon which to base his >conclusions, just some strained, disjointed statistical discourse attempting >to blame Seattle's murder rate on blacks. One doesn't have to produce his own data in order to point out the flaws in the methodology and conclusions of another's study. Again, you resort to PC tactics. Al [standard disclaimer] " 8088,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: NHL team leaders in +/- Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 42 In article <1993Mar29.190650.28940@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >The Jets use the ""breakaway pass"" scheme to create a scoring sensation >in order to generate interest. If teams score as many or more goals >against Winnipeg when Selanne is on the ice as Winnipeg scores when >he is on the ice then I can't see how his contribution can be described >as impressive. Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD. Winnipeg has a lousy defensive record anyway. Let's put it another way. John Cullen's +/- is terrible. What's your excuse for him? That his powerplay points don't count? Neither do Selanne's... >The object of the game is not to feed Selanne - it is >to win. And feeding Selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way >to winning. Knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding Selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to winning. >Pat Burns wouldn't have a goal suck like this on his team. You're worried about Teemu when you have Glenn Anderson on your team? >We DON'T KNOW what Selanne does best. We do know what Jet's management >wants. And again, the object of the exercise is not to allow Selanne to >do what he does best, it is to win hockey games. What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. >As it is now, Selanne >is a grandstanding goal suck. Did you see the way he parades around >with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal? You would think the >Messiah had returned... Nope, didn't see it. I was too busy watching Foligno jump up and down after _his_ goal.... " 8089,16,"From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Summary: backcountry Distribution: na Lines: 16 fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary @ University of Colorado, Boulder): >I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders >each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only >2.1% of the murders were killings by ""wacko""s, you would be >wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated >assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and >preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the >accidents you are worried about. These stats are invalid; we're talking BACKCOUNTRY. These stats for rapes/assaults/deaths do not represent the backcountry singularly; the great majority represent urban incidents. You should have pointed this out. -Rob " 8090,19,"From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW, PART-1 Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 81 DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 1 A D R O P L E T From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor VOL 1, No 11, Part 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------ NINETEENTH LETTER MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI (A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW) (SAW: PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON HIM) In His Name (ALLAH) , Be He (ALLAH) Glorified! There is Nothing But Glorifies His (ALLAH's) Praise. In The Name Of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful ""He is who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it supreme over all religion: and sufficient is Allah as a Witness. Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are firm against the unbelievers and merciful among each other. You will see them bowing and prostrating themselves, seeking Allah's grace and His pleasure. Their mark is on their face the sing of prostrafion; this is their similitude in the Torah and Indgil."" [the Our'an 48:28-29] Since the Nineteenth and Thirhy-first Words concerning the mission of Muhammad (SAW) prove his prophethood with decisive evidences, we assign the verification of that subject to those Words. As a supplement to them, we will merely show here in Nineteen Signs, some of the flashes of that great truth. FIRST SIGN: The Owner and Master of this universe does everything with knowledge, disposes every affair with wisdom, directs everything all-seeingly, treats everything all-knowingly, and arranges in everything with His will and wisdom such causes, purposes and uses that are apparent to us. Since the One who creates knows, surely the One who knows will speak, since He will speak, surely He will speak to those who have consciousness, thought, and speech. Since He will speak to those who have thought, surely He will speak to humankind, whose make-up and awareness are more comprehensive of all conscious beings. Since He will speak to humankind, surely He will speak to the most perfect of mankind and those most worthy of address and highest in morality, and who are qualified to guide humanity; then He will certainly speak to Muhammad (SAW), who, as friend and foe alike testify, is of the highest character and morality, and who is obeyed by one fifth of humanity, to whose spiritual rule half of the globe has submitted, with the radiance of whose light has been illumined the future of mankind for thirteen centuries, to whom the believers, the luminous segment of humanity, renew their oath of allegiance five times a day, for whose happiness and peace they pray, for whom they call down Allah's blessings and bear admiration and love in their hearts. Certainly, He will speak to Muhammad (SAW), and Indeed He has done so; He will make him the Messenger, and Indeed He has done so; He will make him the guide for the rest of humanity, and Indeed He has done so. ----------------------------------------------------------------- To be continued In$a Allah. Your Br. Irfan in Islam. " 8091,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Some birds require constant management for survival. Pointing a sensor at the sun, even when powered down, may burn it out. Pointing a parabolic antenna at Sol, from venus orbit may trash the foci elements. Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some cosmic phenomena. pat " 8092,8,"From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 18 ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: >: English cars:- > >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc. > ^^^^^^ > Talk about Harleys using old technology, these >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology. >I think their suspension design hasn't changed since >they went from 3 wheels to 4 back in the '50s. And it's >not like they had reached the pinnacle of good design >at that point either. Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood) frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)). I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features. Karen Black " 8093,2,"From: mjuric@aisun1.ai.uga.edu (Mark Juric [MSAI]) Subject: Printer security Keywords: printers, security We are being attacked by midnight, phantom printer users, who rack up 100s If there are any utilities that allow multiple passwords for access to the Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun1.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 8 @===@ @===@ ### Mark Juric A.I. Programs ### ### mjuric@ai.uga.edu University of Georgia ### ### Athens, Georgia 30602 ### @===@ @===@ " 8094,18,"From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA Lines: 53 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>> In article <1qd1snINNr79@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: >>> >I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be >>> >a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor. >>> >>> >>> So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down >>> and the safety factor high?? >>> >>> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower >>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. >> >> Yes. >> >>> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine >>> legality. >> >> Why not? > > >Where do they get these people?! I really don't want to waste time in >here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! Go for it. I have yet to see anybody justify the prohibition on drugs and the ensuing War On Drugs. In the world of *.politics here on Usenet, it is YOU that is crazy. ANYBODY--who gives the matter any thought beyond reading headlines---cannot justify this atrocity, this all out war on individual rights. Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > >My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just >because it will be safer and cheaper. > Once again, in chorus: WHY is this ""stupid""? > >A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all >funny farm patients, AIDS ""victims"", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - >this would surely make my taxes decrease. The above paragraph is gibberish--that all I can make of it... -- _______ Steve Thomas steveth@rossinc.com " 8095,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Waco dates - are these coincidental? Distribution: usa <1993Apr5.193927.19951@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Lines: 19 I do not think it is at all unlikely that Clinton ro his policy wonk facilitators arranged the Waco raid as a display piece for the Gun War on the Constitution. Look at what the Bush administration did to get material for the Drug War on the Constitution--remember that baggie of crack George waved at the cameras? They took a dealer from the ghetto and brought him to the White House so they could say drugs had been dealt onb the White House Lawn. And I don't think anybody could honestly think Clinton would have any moral qualms about the raid... The only really worrisome thing is that the BD's heroic defense of their ranch will make Clinton's Gun War on the Constitution _more_ successfull--exactly as he wanted. The media and politicians will filter this so that the general public will think the BD's are bad guys! Don't help them. Stand up for the BD's with your friends and family adnd in public anytime you can--their supposed moral qualms are not important to the issue. They are heroes in the fight against oppressive government; it could just as well have been you. -watkins@earth.eecs.uic.edu (Brian E Watkins) " 8096,6,"From: tedm@tsoft.net (Ted Matsumura) Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) Article-I.D.: tsoft.C5JCCG.3Bn Distribution: usa Organization: TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 34 [stuff deleted] > >For example, I subscribe to 2 magazines, ""ABC news"" and ""XYZ products"". >I give my name as ""Joseph X. Cool"" for the first, and ""Joe Q. Cool"" for >the 2nd. When I get junk mail addressed to ""Joseph X. Cool"", I know >where they bought my name. > >This doesn't help NOT getting junk mail, but you at least know who's >selling your name. And if you ask companies to NOT sell your name to >mailing lists/tele-marketeers, they are not supposed to (as in, it's >illegal.) > >And in case you haven't guessed, I don't really use Joe Cool. > >-- My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for one time use by the major software companies. The method you are using to ""seed"" your junk mail, isn't really effective. Bulk mailers regulary either send their databases to be ""cleaned"" by the NCOA, which if you've moved recently, will revert back to the original ""xxx Cool"", and in large mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the others for future mailings. BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks. TEd > > --- Matthew Caprile || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I --- > --- || won't admit to the opinions expressed --- > --- caprile@apple.com || here, so don't expect my employer to. --- " 8097,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: FLYERS notes 4/16 Organization: AT&T Keywords: FLYERS/Sabres summary, misc stuff Lines: 283 The FLYERS blew a 3-0 lead over the Buffalo Sabres in the second period, but Kevin Dineen's 7th career hat trick powered them to their 7th consecutive win, 7-4 over the Sabres who have now lost 7 in a row. Alexander Mogilny led the comeback scoring his 75th and 76th goals of the season which tied the game at 3 in the 2nd period and 4 in the 3rd. Tommy Soderstrom stopped 41 of 45 shots on goal to improve his own record to 20-17-6 as he was tested by Mogilny and LaFontaine all night. Roster move: Andre Faust was once again recalled from Hershey, Shawn Cronin was a healthy scratch. Lines: Eklund-Lindros-Recchi Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy Faust-Acton-Brown Galley-Bowen Yushkevich-Hawgood Carkner-McGill Tommy Soderstrom Game Summary: Say, if anybody from Buffalo is reading this, where did you people get that woman who sang the anthems? We had to turn down the volume! The FLYERS defense started out the game showing everybody why the FLYERS have been shutting teams out lately by holding the Sabres to only 8 shots in the first period. They then showed everybody why they will be playing golf Sunday when they gave up 37 shots in the last two periods. Maybe Tommy told them that he was getting bored back there... Mark Recchi opened the scoring so fast that if you blinked you missed it. After Buffalo won the faceoff and dumped, Tommy wrapped the puck around the boards to Eric 1/2 way up on his left. Eric dropped it to Galley, and he sent it ahead to Recchi steaming out of the zone. Mark skated into the center circle, passed the puck to himself through the legs of Richard Smehlik, skated around him and in on Fuhr. Smehlik was pulling at him all the way through the zone with his stick, Recchi drifted right, drifted back left, and slid the puck back to the right past Fuhr for a 1-0 FLYERS lead at 0:18. It was so beautiful Eric and Garry should turn down their assists :-). The FLYERS kept the pressure on Fuhr for a while after that, but he was strong and kept the FLYERS from doing further damage. The game then became a defensive struggle for a while. The Sabres got the first chance on the power play when Terry Carkner took a boarding minor at 10:26 for crunching Dale Hawerchuk into the boards in the FLYERS zone. LaFontaine got the only scoring chance, and not a terribly good one, as the FLYERS smothered the Sabres power play. Mogilny got a post after it was over. The 25th consecutive penalty kill for the FLYERS. Keith Carney took a holding penalty at 13:31 for taking down Mark Recchi to give the FLYERS a power play. The best penalty killing team in the league didn't allow the FLYERS a shot on goal, although the FLYERS did create a good scoring chance for Lindros who partially fanned on his shot. Towards the end of the period the play started going end to end, but everybody kept missing the net. Greg Hawgood took an interference penalty at 18:19 to give the Sabres another power play, but they couldn't get anything going and the fans expressed their displeasure, particularly when they iced the puck. Shots were 8-6 Buffalo after the FLYERS had led 6-2 at one point. Mike Emrick interviewed FLYERS president Jay Snider between periods. Jay was disappointed to not make the playoffs, but not discouraged. This was considered a rebuilding year after *The Trade* and he seemed very happy with the way the season went. When asked if he agonized over *The Trade* he said that it was Russ Farwell's trade and not his, that it only was an issue for him and Ed Snider as far as the money. But yes, there was some agonizing, and they'd do it all over again. When asked how the coaching situation would be handled for next year he said that it's Russ' call, and Russ will evaluate things at the end of the season. He feels that they're 3 years away from a shot at the Cup. He expects to get into the playoffs next year, have a shot at a division title the following year, and a shot at the finals the year after that. This based on the current level of play and anticipated improvements over the summer. He's very happy with the re-alignment (he called it ""outstanding""). Happy with the current expansion, feels that the talent pool is big enough with the unflux of Europeans, but feels that they must make sure existing franchises are stable. Seemed to like the idea of playing in the Olympics (booo) but said that there was a definite split among owners and that this certainly would only happen in four years if there was a consensus. The Sabres gave the FLYERS their second power play of the game when Brad May took a tripping penalty at 0:51 of the second. The FLYERS had a little trouble getting started, but eventually did. Hawgood took a pass as he was moving throug the neutral zone and handed the puck to Eklund just outside the Sabres blue line along the right boards. Eklund carried into the zone nad passed across to Dineen who tried a one timer from between the blue line and the top of the left circle. He half fanned on it, and sent the puck trickling through the slot. Fuhr didn't know where it was, though, and Hawgood won the race to it and flipped it into essentially an open net at 2:15. Then Mogilny on a breakaway. He slipped through two FLYERS at the blue line and went in on Soderstrom. He went with the backhander, but Soderstrom was all over it. The FLYERS then took some bad discipline type penalties that really hurt them. Viacheslav Butsayev took a double minor for roughing and high sticking when Barnaby got under his skin and drew one minor, then according to Gary Dornhoefer took a dive to get the other (there was no video) at 4:22. The Sabres coudln't get started. Ryan McGill poked at the puck just after a Sabre carried into the FLYERS zone, and after a bunch of people poked at it Dineen emerged with it and headed the other way. It started out a 1 on 1, but Brind'Amour hustled ahead to make it a 2 on 1 and back off the defenseman. Dineen let it rip from the top of the right circle to make it 3-0 FLYERS at 5:40. That was all for Fuhr, John Muckler sent in Dominik Hasek to take over. But the Sabres still had lots of power play time. Again they took some time to just get into the FLYERS zone, and when they finally did the FLYERS were all over them. Boos began to ring through the building. But they finally got through Soderstrom on an ugly goal. Smehlik took a shot from the top of the zone that missed and kicked out to Hawerchuk in the slot. Hawerchuk tried a backhander as he skated towards the goal line to the right as Galley dove down to block it. Mistake #1, he should have let Soderstrom handle the backhander and worried about A) the rebound or B) Barnaby who was camped behind the goal line right next to the net. Well, the rebound dropped right next to Soderstrom, and mistake #2, Galley just laid there and watched Barnaby get THREE hacks at the puck before he finally pushed it through the goalie. He didn't even swing his stick out to try and knock the puck away. With the goal, at 7:48, two streaks end for the FLYERS. 150:28 of shutout hockey, and 27 straight penalty kills. Lindros put them right back on the power play at 8:36 with a high sticking minor, I think it was Barnaby again. This time the Sabres were able to get set up quickly, but couldn't get too much quality on goal. The Sabres continued to keep the puck in the FLYERS end for a while after the power play ended. Things evetually settled down, but then the other very bad penalty. McGill allowed Barnaby to get under his skin and slashed his stick just before a faceoff. The gloves were dropped, and McGill started pounding the crap out of him. But during the fight, he gave Barnaby a head butt with his helmet, and that meant a match penalty. 2 for slashing, 5 fighting and 5 for the major, 7 minutes of power play time for the Sabres at 14:15, Barnaby only got 5. The FLYERS were keeping them at bay for a while, but there was only so long they could do that. After a couple of good Sabre chances, Audette handed to Ledyard at the point, and Ledyard sent a drive that was knocked down by Soderstrom. LaFontaine whacked at the bouncing puck from the left side of the net, and knocked it over to Randy Wood at the right. Soderstrom had moved over to play LaFontaine, and since Yushkevich and Carkner were waving at the puck instead of picking up men, Wood just slid it into the empty net at 17:34 to close the FLYERS lead to 3-2. LaFontaine was actually trying to put it on net, but half fanned on it and got a break. The FLYERS then got some shorthanded pressure in the Sabres zone, but Hasek was strong. Finally it was Keith Carney passing ahead to Hawerchuk into the neutral zone, and Hawerchuk sent a good backhand pass to Mogilny at the FLYERS blue line. Another mini-breakaway for Mogilny, he elected to shoot from the left circle, and he threaded the needle to get it just inside the far post at 18:56 for his 75th of the season. Ironically, the youth hockey tip between the 1st and second period was Tommy Soderstrom talking about cutting off angles... That was all in the 2nd, shots were 19-7 Sabres. Into the 3rd period, and Pelle EKlund blew a golden opportunity to get the FLYERS the lead back. A 2 on 1, Acton with the puck, he dropped to Eklund in the slot, and Eklund held the puck as he slid through the left circle until he had almost no angle at all to shoot from. When he finally did shoot, he hit the far post. That was still during the carryover power play time. Than an incredible almost goal. Randy Wood skated around Recchi and Hawgood untouched into Soderstrom. Soderstrom goes down, Wood pokes the puck under Soderstrom, and a black object hits the back of the net. Red light comes on, horn sounds, crowd cheers. But up to the video replay booth, for some strange reason, and in the meantime Emrick and Dornhoefer try to figure out what they could be reviewing. Well, it turns out that it was the taped up stick blade that went into the net, not the puck. Emrick mentions that one of the criteria for scoring a goal is that the puck must go into the net... Dave Hannan then took out Recchi and got a holding minor at 2:35. The FLYERS could not get anything going at all. They finally got set up 1/2 way through, but were kept on the perimeter. As time ran out, Beranek stripped the puck from a Sabre in the offensive zone along the right boards and passed it across to Eklund at the top of the left circle. Eklund saw Dineen heading at the net just inside the right circle and passed through to him. Dineen fumbled the pass, but twice directed it at Hasek, and Eklund swooped in and chipped the bouncing puck over the goalie for his 11th at 4:42. 4-3 FLYERS. But the Sabres came right back. LaFontaine picked up the puck in his offensive left corner and slid it to Bob Erry behind the FLYERS net. Erry started to skate out, but then just dropped the puck back to nobody behind the net. Mogilny flew in, skated around, and stuffed it through Soderstrom's 5 hole for his 76th at 5:24 to tie the game at 4. Then Hawerchuk took a retaliatory roughing penalty at 5:55. The FLYERS set up in the Sabres zone, and stayed there. Off a faceoff high in the Sabres zone in the middle. While Brind'Amour wrestled for the puck, Dineen snuck through the line and wristed a perfect shot low to Hasek's glove side at 6:44. Play started to go back and forth until Hawgood took a roughing penalty at 8:19. The FLYERS dumped the puck into the Sabres zone. Brind'Amour and Ledyard went after it, and Rod got the puck. He backed away from the right boards, skated to the right faceoff dot, and passed between his legs to Dineen crashing through the slot all by himself. Dineen waited patiently and lifted it over the blocker of Hasek for a 6-4 FLYERS lead at 8:39. 3rd hat trick of the season for Dineen, 7th of his career, 2nd shorthanded goal of the game for him 35th of the season. Then Carney took a tripping penalty at 9:02 to kill the rest of the Sabres power play. Not much action on the 4 on 4, and the Sabres got most of the chances on the FLYERS resulting power play. Play went end to end for quite a while after that and both goalies had to make some big saves. The Sabres weren't able to pull Hasek as time was running out as the FLYERS wouldn't allow any consistant possession for the Sabres. Finally as time was running out Ken Sutton misplayed the puck in his own left corner and Brind'Amour stripped it away from him. He pulled away and found Dineen on the other side of the left circle, and Dineen found Acton at the right of Hasek. He slid the puck between two Sabres defenders, and Acton chipped it back to the far side of Hasek for his 8th of the season at 19:48 on his 35th birthday. That was all the scoring, shots were 18-13 Buffalo, and the ice was showered with plastic drinking mugs handed out before the game. So another strong game from Tommy Soderstrom who hadn't been tested much in his last couple of starts. Kevin Dineen has a career high 6 point night (unless he had a better night earlier in the season, but I don't think so). The FLYERS longest winning streak in 3 years, 30 goals for only 11 against with three shutouts. Eric Lindros is 8th in league with 33 even strength goals despite missing 23 games with injury. 4 points out of 4th, clinched 5th place since the Rangers lose the tie breaker. A couple misc notes: Forget the Mike Keenan rumors, there will be a press conference tommorrow to announce that he will be head coach of the New York Rangers next year. In the last notes I mentioned that Garry Galley won the Barry Ashbee Award, but I failed to mention that the award is for the best defenseman. The Times of Trenton has reported that ""a preeminent specialist from Oklahoma"" has looked over Tommy Soderstrom's medical record and determined that no further tests are necessary in the near future. Same paper had a blurb about Bill Dineen being asked about whether or not he expected to be back next year. His response was that he wants to come back, he feels he did a good job this year, but that he would cheerfully accept a role scouting if Farwell didn't want him back. FLYERS team record watch: Eric Lindros: 41 goals, 33 assists, 74 points (rookie records) club record goals: club record points: Eric Lindros 40 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84 Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80 Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Eric Lindros 74 1992-93 Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82 Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86 Mark Recchi: 52 goals, 69 assists, 121 points. club record goals: club record points: Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Mark Recchi 121 1992-93* Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76 Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75 Mark Recchi 52 1992-93 Bill Barber 112 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73 Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73 Reggie Leach 50 1979-80 *More than 80 games. FLYERS career years: Player Points Best Prior Season Mark Recchi 121 113 (90-91 Penguins) Rod Brind'Amour 84 77 (91-92 FLYERS) Garry Galley 62 38 (84-85 Kings) Brent Fedyk 59 35 (90-91 Red Wings) That's all for now... pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner " 8098,5,"From: wam3090@yak.COM (Bill Massena) Subject: Function key to text string translation Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle Lines: 17 I want to press a function key and have a text string appear in an XmText widget. When I put *XmText.Translations: #augment \n\ F1: insert-string(HELLO) in my resource file, the translation doesn't happen. If I put *XmText.Translations: F1: insert-string(HELLO) in the file, I get the text string HELLO when F1 is pressed, but no other keys work, which makes sense since the default translation mode is ""replace"". Do I have a syntax problem here, or something deeper? ..Bill Massena (wam3090@yak.boeing.com) " 8099,4,"From: ronaldw@sco.COM (Ronald A. Wong) Subject: Re: Powerbook & Duo Batteries Article-I.D.: ringo.ronaldw-050493173709 Distribution: na Organization: SCO Developer Relations Lines: 32 In article , kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) wrote: > > hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: > > >To my knowledge there is no way to fully discharge a Duo battery. > > The program PowerStrip2.0, which is freeware, has an option called > ""Quick Discharge."" You can find it on the Mac archives, probably > sumex-aim.stanford.edu or mac.archive.umich.edu. > > Good luck! > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Kenneth Simon Department of Sociology > KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Indiana University > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Is it a hidden option? I'm using PowerStrip 2.0 (by Mr. Caputo) right now and can't find any quick discharge option. It definitely is on mac.archive.umich.edu 'cause I submitted it! ______________________________________________________________________ Ron Wong The Santa Cruz Operation 408-427-7128 Net & Comm Segment Mgr/ 400 Encinal Street, PO Box 1900 FAX: 425-3544 DevProgram Marketing Mgr Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1900 E-mail: ...uunet!sco!ronaldw ronaldw@sco.COM ______________________________________________________________________ " 8100,12,"From: frode@dxcern.cern.ch (Frode Weierud) Subject: Magstrip Card Reader Info Keywords: Magstripe, Card Reader, American Magnetics, Magnetics Reply-To: frode@dxcern.cern.ch Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Lines: 26 Can somebody please help me with information about an American Magnetics Corporation Magstripe Card Reader that I recently bought locally from a surplus dealer. On the rear it has the following information: American Magnetics Corporation Carson, CA, USA Magstripe Card Reader Model 41, P/N 507500 - 2300112311 It is fitted with a cable with a RS232 Cannon 25-pin connector on the end and has a separate power connector like the once used with wall chargers. Frode ************************************************************************** * Frode Weierud Phone : 41 22 7674794 * * CERN, SL Fax : 41 22 7823676 * * CH-1211 Geneva 23 E-mail : frode@dxcern.cern.ch * * Switzerland or weierud@cernvm.cern.ch * ************************************************************************** " 8101,11,"From: gthomas@fraser.sfu.ca (Guy Thomas) Subject: Re: What is going on?... Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: inet Lines: 13 zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: >... >> If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". >> >In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked >about a month ao and was told RSN. Yes it is. From the National Film Board of Canada. Guy gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca " 8102,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 262 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | There were about six burned people in there, and the small | | corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a | | tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the | | doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being | | taken to Baku. There was a woman's corpse there too, she had | | been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a | | hacked-off part of a woman's body. It was something terrible. | | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF ROMAN ALEKSANDROVICH GAMBARIAN Born 1954 Senior Engineer Sumgait Automotive Transport Production Association Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 40 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] What happened in Sumgait was a great tragedy, an awful tragedy for us, the Armenian people, and for all of mankind. A genocide of Armenians took place during peacetime. And it was a great tragedy for me personally, because I lost my father in those days. He was still young. Born in 1926. On that day, February 28, we were at home. Of course we had heard that there was unrest in town, my younger brother Aleksandr had told us about it. But we didn't think . . . we thought that everything would happen outdoors, that they wouldn't go into people's apartments. About five o'clock we saw a large crowd near the Kosmos movie theater in our microdistrict. We were sitting at home watching television. We go out on the balcony and see the crowd pour into Mir Street. This is right near downtown, next to the airline ticket office, our house is right nearby. That day there was a group of policeman with shields there. They threw rocks at those policemen. Then they moved off in the direction of our building. They burned a motorcycle in our courtyard and started shouting for Armenians to come out of the building. We switched off the light. As it turns out, their signal was just the opposite: to turn on the light. That meant that it was an Azerbaijani home. We, of course, didn't know and thought that if they saw lights on they would come to our apartment. Suddenly there's pounding on the door. We go to the door, all four of us: there were four of us in the apartment. Father, Mother, my younger brother Aleksandr, and I. He was born in 1959. My father was a veteran of World War II and had fought in China and in the Soviet Far East; he was a pilot. We went to the door and they started pounding on it harder, breaking it down with axes. We start to talk to them in Azerbaijani, ""What's going on? What's happened?"" They say, ""Armenians, get out of here!"" We don't open the door, we say, ""If we have to leave, we'll leave, we'll leave tomorrow."" They say, ""No, leave now, get out of here, Armenian dogs, get out of here!"" By now they've broken the door both on the lock and the hinge sides. We hold them off as best we can, my father and I on one side, and my mother and brother on the other. We had prepared ourselves: we had several hammers and an axe in the apartment, and grabbed what we could find to defend ourselves. They broke in the door and when the door gave way, we held it for another half-hour. No neighbors, no police and no one from the city government came to our aid the whole time. We held the door. They started to smash the door on the lock side, first with an axe, and then with a crowbar. When the door gave way--they tore it off its hinges--Sasha hit one of them with the axe. The axe flew out of his hands. They also had axes, crowbars, pipes, and special rods made from armature shafts. One of them hit my father in the head. The pressure from the mob was immense. When we retreated into the room, one of them hit my mother, too, in the left part of her face. My brother Sasha and I fought back, of course. Sasha is quite strong and hot-tempered, he was the judo champion of Sumgait. We had hammers in our hands, and we injured several of the bandits--in the heads and in the eyes, all that went on. But they, the injured ones, fell back, and others came to take their places, there were many of them. The door fell down at an angle. The mob tried to remove the door, so as to go into the second room and to continue . . . to finish us off. Father brought skewers and gave them to Sasha and me--we flew at them when we saw Father bleeding: his face was covered with blood, he had been wounded in the head, and his whole face was bloody. We just threw ourselves on them when we saw that. We threw ourselves at the mob and drove back the ones in the hall, drove them down to the third floor. We came out on the landing, but a group of the bandits remained in one of the rooms they were smashing all the furniture in there, having closed the door behind them. We started tearing the door off to chase away the remaining ones or finish them. Then a man, an imposing man of about 40, an Azerbaijani, came in. When he was coming in, Father fell down and Mother flew to him, and started to cry out. I jumped out onto the balcony and started calling an ambulance, but then the mob started throwing stones through the windows of our veranda and kitchen. We live on the fourth floor. And no one came. I went into the room. It seemed to me that this man was the leader of the group. He was respectably dressed in a hat and a trench coat with a fur collar. And he addressed my mother in Azerbaijani: ""What's with you, woman, why are you shouting? What happened? Why are you shouting like that?"" She says, ""What do you mean, what happened? You killed somebody!"" My father was a musician, he played the clarinet, he played at many weddings, Armenian and Azerbaijani, he played for many years. Everyone knew him. Mother says, ""The person who you killed played at thousands of Azerbaijani weddings, he brought so much joy to people, and you killed that person."" He says, ""You don't need to shout, stop shouting."" And when they heard the voice of this man, the 15 to 18 people who were in the other room opened the door and started running out. We chased after them, but they ran away. That man left, too. As we were later told, downstairs one of them told the others, I don't know if it was from fright or what, told them that we had firearms, even though we only fought with hammers and an axe. We raced to Father and started to massage his heart, but it was already too late. We asked the neighbors to call an ambulance. The ambulance never came, although we waited for it all evening and all through the night. Somewhere around midnight about 15 policemen came. They informed us they were from Khachmas. They said, ""We heard that a group was here at your place, you have our condolences."" They told us not to touch anything and left. Father lay in the room. So we stayed home. Each of us took a hammer and a knife. We sat at home. Well, we say, if they descend on us again we'll defend ourselves. Somewhere around one o'clock in the morning two people came from the Sumgait Procuracy, investigators. They say, ""Leave everything just how it is, we're coming back here soon and will bring an expert who will record and photograph everything."" Then people came from the Republic Procuracy too, but no one helped us take Father away. The morning came and the neighbors arrived. We wanted to take Father away somehow. We called the Procuracy and the police a couple of times, but no one came. We called an ambulance, and nobody came. Then one of the neighbors said that the bandits were coming to our place again and we should hide. We secured the door somehow or other. We left Father in the room and went up to the neighbor's. The excesses began again in the morning. The bandits came in several vehicles, ZIL panel trucks, and threw themselves out of the vehicles like . . . a landing force near the center of town. Our building was located right there. A crowd formed. Then they started fighting with the soldiers. Then, in Buildings 19 and 20, that's next to the airline ticket office, they started breaking into Armenian apartments, destroying property, and stealing. The Armenians weren't at home, they had managed to flee and hide somewhere. And again they poured in the direction of our building. They were shouting that there were some Armenians left on the fourth floor, meaning us. ""They're up there, still, up there. Let's go kill them!"" They broke up all the furniture remaining in the two rooms, threw it outside, and burned it in large fires. We were hiding one floor up. Something heavy fell. Sasha threw himself toward the door shouting that it was probably Father, they had thrown Father, were defiling the corpse, probably throwing it in the fire, going to burn it. I heard it, and the sound was kind of hollow, and I said, ""No, that's from some of the furniture."" Mother and I pounced on Sasha and stopped him somehow, and calmed him down. The mob left somewhere around eight o'clock. They smashed open the door and went into the apartment of the neighbors across from us. They were also Armenians, they had left for another city. The father of the neighbor who was concealing us came and said, ""Are you crazy? Why are you hiding Armenians? Don't you now they're checking all the apartments? They could kill you and them!"" And to us :"" . . . Come on, leave this apartment!"" We went down to the third floor, to some other neighbors'. At first the man didn't want to let us in, but then one of his sons asked him and he relented. We stayed there until eleven o'clock at night. We heard the sound of motors. The neighbors said that it was armored personnel carriers. We went downstairs. There was a light on in the room where we left Father. In the other rooms, as we found out later, all the chandeliers had been torn down. They left only one bulb. The bulb was burning, which probably was a signal they had agreed on because there was a light burning in every apartment in our Microdistrict 3 where there had been a pogrom. With the help of the soldiers we made it to the City Party Committee and were saved. Our salvation--my mother's, my brother's, and mine,--was purely accidental, because, as we later found out from the neighbors, someone in the crowd shouted that we had firearms up there. Well, we fought, but we were only able to save Mother. We couldn't save Father. We inflicted many injuries on the bandits, some of them serious. But others came to take their places. We were also wounded, there was blood, and we were scratched all over--we got our share. It was a miracle we survived. We were saved by a miracle and the troops. And if troops hadn't come to Sumgait, the slaughter would have been even greater: probably all the Armenians would have been victims of the genocide. Through an acquaintance at the City Party Committee I was able to contact the leadership of the military unit that was brought into the city, and at their orders we were assigned special people to accompany us, experts. We went to ' pick up Father's corpse. We took it to the morgue. This was about two o'clock in the morning, it was already March 1, it was raining very hard and it was quite cold, and we were wearing only our suits. When my brother and I carried Father into the morgue we saw the burned and disfigured corpses. There were about six burned people in there, and the small corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being taken to Baku. There was a woman's corpse there too, she had been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a hacked-off part of a woman's body. It was something terrible. The morgue was guarded by the landing force . . . The child that had been killed was only ten or twelve years old. It was impossible to tell if it was a boy or a girl because the corpse was burned. There was a man there, too, several men. You couldn't tell anything because their faces were disfigured, they were in such awful condition... Now two and a half months have passed. Every day I recall with horror what happened in the city of Sumgait. Every day: my father, and the death of my father, and how we fought, and the people's sorrow, and especially the morgue. I still want to say that 70 years have passed since Soviet power was established, and up to the very last minute we could not conceive of what happened in Sumgait. It will go down in history. I'm particularly surprised that the mob wasn't even afraid of the troops. They even fought the soldiers. Many soldiers were wounded. The mob threw fuel mixtures onto the armored personnel carriers, setting them on fire. They weren't afraid. They were so sure of their impunity that they attacked our troops. I saw the clashes on February 29 near the airline ticket office, right across from our building. And that mob was fighting with the soldiers. The inhabitants of some of the buildings, also Azerbaijanis, threw rocks at the soldiers from windows, balconies, even cinder blocks and glass tanks. They weren't afraid of them. I say they were sure of their impunity. When we were at the neighbors' and when they were robbing homes near the airline ticket office I called the police at number 3-20-02 and said that they were robbing Armenian apartments and burning homes. And they told me that they knew that they were being burned. During those days no one from the police department came to anyone's aid. No one came to help us, either, to our home, even though perhaps they could have come and saved us. As we later found out the mob was given free vodka and drugs, near the bus station. Rocks were distributed in all parts of town to be thrown and used in fighting. So I think all of it was arranged in advance. They even knew in which buildings and apartments the Armenians lived, on which floors--they had lists, the bandits. You can tell that the ""operation"" was planned in advance. Thanks, of course, to our troops, to the country's leadership, and to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense for helping us, thanks to the Russian people, because the majority of the troops were Russians, and the troops suffered losses, too. I want to express this gratitude in the name of my family and in the name of all Armenians, and in the name of all Sumgait Armenians. For coming in time and averting terrible things: worse would have happened if that mob had not been stopped on time. At present an investigation is being conducted on the part of the USSR Procuracy. I want to say that those bandits should receive the severest possible punishment, because if they don't, the tragedy, the genocide, could happen again. Everyone should see that the most severe punishment is meted out for such deeds. Very many bandits and hardened hooligans took part in the unrest, in the mass disturbances. The mobs were huge. At present not all of them have been caught, very few of them have been, I think, judging by the newspaper reports. There were around 80 people near our building alone, that's how many people took part in the pogrom of our building all in all. They should all receive the most severe punishment so that others see that retribution awaits those who perform such acts. May 18, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 153-157 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 8103,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 26 standings Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 279 Here are the standings after the April 6 update. I'll be leaving for Japan in 1.5 hours, and I won't be back until April 17. Consequently, I will not post the week 27 results until April 18. Email sent between April 13 and April 18 will be processed using the numbers available April 18. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 26 Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1478 1575.3 1.9 (1) 2. Gilles Carmel 1389 1533.8 56.3 (5) 3. Bob Hill 1418 1530.8 24.0 (2) 4. The Awesome Oilers 1366 1509.9 68.6 (3) 5. Seppo Kemppainen 1372 1508.9 47.2 (6) 6. Mak ""The Knife"" Paranjape 1376 1501.8 31.0 (4) 7. Hillside Raiders 1397 1490.7 7.0 (7) 8. Jan Stein 1354 1478.8 35.3 (9) 9. Rangers Of Destiny 1346 1472.5 42.0 (10) 10. this years model 1368 1471.8 17.6 (8) 11. Tapio Repo 1354 1461.0 19.6 (12) 12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1341 1448.3 22.0 (14) 13. The Underachievers 1309 1446.5 65.4 (16) 14. On Thin Ice 1333 1445.5 32.3 (11) 15. Lindros Losers 1349 1436.9 1.7 (13) 16. littlest giants 1319 1435.7 35.6 (15) 17. Go Flames 1290 1422.6 64.4 (17) 18. Mopar Muscle Men 1328 1411.7 3.7 (19) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1304 1409.7 20.2 (18) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1298 1383.2 4.9 (21) 21. General Accounting Office 1272 1373.8 20.9 (22) 22. Migods Menschen 1259 1367.0 31.6 (20) 23. Boomer's Boys 1285 1366.1 0.2 (23) 24. Delaware Wombats 1285 1356.2 1.3 (24) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1223 1354.4 52.6 (27) 26. Rocky Mountain High 1270 1349.3 1.8 (29) 27. Fife Flyers 1232 1346.3 31.4 (26) 28. Gerald Olchowy 1231 1343.0 33.7 (25) 29. Fluide Glacial 1246 1338.5 18.0 (28) 30. Gaoler 1227 1318.3 11.2 (30) 31. SmegHeads 1238 1313.0 0.3 (32) 32. The Young And The Skateless 1185 1299.7 42.9 (31) 33. Artic Storm 1179 1291.8 39.3 (43) 34. Sam & His Dogs 1206 1289.0 11.6 (33) 35. Neural Netters 1199 1287.9 11.3 (35) 36. Youngbucs 1157 1286.6 101.7 (34) 37. Soft Swedes 1154 1275.3 46.9 (58) 38. Jeff Horvath 1188 1262.7 5.6 (39) 39. Yan The Man Loke 1180 1261.3 0.7 (40) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1180 1259.6 2.8 (42) 41. Hamster from Hoboken 1178 1257.5 8.7 (36) 42. Le Fleur de Lys 1159 1257.3 25.3 (46) 43. ice legion 1157 1256.6 28.8 (37) 44. Simmonac 1133 1254.4 87.6 (44) 45. Kuehn Crushers 1137 1253.1 45.1 (72) 46. The Finnish Force 1149 1249.4 22.5 (48) 47. Streaks 1117 1247.1 54.8 (38) 48. Legion of Hoth 1156 1246.3 15.8 (52) 49. Goaldingers 1146 1240.6 22.0 (45) 50. Grant Marven 1155 1236.0 2.9 (50) 51. bemybaby 1161 1235.2 7.3 (49) 52. T C OverAchievers 1162 1232.8 2.9 (47) 53. Skriko Wolves 1151 1232.4 5.4 (53) 54. Bozrah Bruins 1117 1230.7 45.2 (41) 55. Brian Bergman 1132 1229.3 23.3 (51) 56. LIPPE 1132 1214.7 13.9 (65) 57. Randy Coulman 1140 1214.5 5.2 (56) 58. LAMP LIGHTERS 1138 1214.2 5.9 (66) 59. Dave Snell 1089 1212.5 182.5 (60) 60. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1133 1210.6 3.1 (53) 61. Houdini's Magicians 1126 1209.9 18.3 (59) 62. Real Bad Toe Jam 1096 1208.6 48.9 (63) 63. rec.sport.hockey choices 1137 1208.3 1.3 (63) 64. Iowa Hockeyes 1118 1205.7 16.3 (55) 65. buffalo soldiers 1085 1204.6 62.1 (57) 66. Indianapolis Bennies 1114 1200.6 20.8 (67) 67. Bloom County All Stars 1121 1199.2 4.3 (61) 68. Tom 1109 1194.0 13.1 (68) 69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1121 1192.6 0.8 (69) 70. AIK Exiles 1078 1188.1 34.5 (70) 71. Doug Bowles 1099 1186.4 20.0 (62) 72. Bruins 1117 1184.9 0.1 (75) 73. smithw 1095 1184.3 21.0 (71) 74. The Great Pumpkin 1057 1178.6 54.4 (73) 75. shooting seamen 1111 1177.8 0.1 (77) 76. Frank Worthless 1099 1176.6 6.3 (82) 77. NON! 1089 1175.7 16.4 (74) 78. Invisible Inc 1104 1173.5 1.1 (79) 79. Brad Gibson 1075 1169.0 27.2 (89) 80. Chubby Checkers 1074 1165.6 16.3 (85) 81. PLP Fools 1092 1164.8 0.1 (76) 82. John Zupancic 1063 1164.2 27.1 (78) 83. Staffan Axelsson 1082 1163.0 15.1 (80) 84. David Wong 1038 1162.5 66.1 (87) 85. Kortelaisen Kovat 1041 1160.7 164.1 (92) 86. Chocolate Rockets 1083 1158.9 2.5 (83) 87. Ken DeCruyenaere 1078 1158.8 5.0 (94) 88. Cougarmania 1061 1154.7 24.8 (86) 89. garryola 1073 1152.9 9.7 (81) 90. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1062 1149.6 22.1 (88) 91. No Namers 1033 1147.6 58.2 (91) 92. The Campi Machine 1022 1145.8 65.3 (90) 93. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1071 1145.1 5.1 (98) 94. Fisher Dirtbags 1073 1144.1 0.7 (93) 95. KODIAKS 1076 1141.0 1.3 (84) 96. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1066 1136.0 3.8 (99) 97. The Kamucks 1020 1134.1 76.1 (105) 98. BSC Oranienburg 1067 1132.1 7.1 (102) 99. Bloodgamers 1018 1127.1 42.1 (97) 100. Ellis Islanders 1055 1125.5 7.6 (100) 101. Mombasa Mosquitos 1053 1125.4 6.1 (95) 102. Edelweiss 1049 1122.8 2.9 (101) 103. Zachmans Wingers 1006 1117.7 49.8 (103) 104. Wormtown Woosbags 1001 1114.6 72.6 (96) 105. Dirty White Socks 1008 1113.6 43.4 (106) 106. Hurricane Andrew 1040 1113.5 7.6 (104) 107. Larry 1034 1113.2 11.8 (109) 108. VoteNoOct26 1010 1108.5 31.8 (108) Bruce's Rented Mules 1033 1108.5 11.9 (110) 110. King Suke 1042 1108.2 0.1 (112) 111. Teem Kanada 1030 1105.3 16.0 (115) 112. Bjoern Leaguen 987 1104.7 61.4 (123) 113. Frank's Follies 1020 1101.2 24.2 (117) 114. Neil Younger 985 1100.9 77.7 (120) 115. Het Schot Is Hard 1027 1100.8 18.1 (121) 116. PSV Dartmouth 1033 1100.7 7.1 (107) 117. Pond Slime 1034 1096.8 0.7 (111) 118. Stanford Ice Hawks 1008 1096.5 28.2 (114) 119. SPUDS 1019 1096.4 12.6 (113) 120. Mark Sanders 1020 1091.9 11.1 (116) 121. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1004 1089.9 28.3 (137) 122. Timo Ojala 1015 1084.2 0.3 (130) 123. Nesbitt 1025 1083.0 1.1 (118) 124. Aye Carumba!!! 1016 1082.4 3.9 (124) 125. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 976 1081.2 40.3 (119) 126. Blue Talon 1007 1080.0 13.3 (129) 127. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1001 1078.3 23.3 (125) 128. Haral 1013 1077.8 7.3 (122) 129. garys team 995 1076.5 17.1 (126) 130. Late Night with David Letterman 1013 1075.3 0.0 (133) 131. Arctic Circles 974 1075.2 37.6 (132) 132. The Lost Poots 1000 1072.9 6.7 (127) Seattle PFTB 988 1072.9 22.9 (134) 134. boutch 92-93 987 1071.5 20.0 (135) 135. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1001 1071.2 1.2 (147) 136. Flying Kiwis 998 1069.8 9.1 (130) Cluster Buster 996 1069.8 7.6 (136) 138. Scott Glenn 999 1068.7 10.2 (142) 139. Dree Hobbs 988 1068.5 13.4 (146) 140. GO BRUINS 999 1066.6 6.2 (144) 141. Le Groupe MI 975 1065.4 30.2 (141) 142. team gold 992 1065.1 16.7 (128) 143. Closet Boy's Boys 955 1063.4 48.0 (140) 144. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 982 1063.2 19.6 (151) McKees Rocks Rockers 998 1063.2 5.1 (151) 146. Tim Rogers 987 1061.9 8.1 (148) 147. Andy Y F WONG 982 1061.1 21.5 (143) 148. Buttered Waffles 947 1059.6 46.0 (145) 149. Bob's Blues 951 1059.2 46.8 (139) 150. Princeton Canucks 945 1058.9 124.2 (154) 151. GO HABS GO 989 1058.7 8.0 (149) 152. Wembley LostWeekenders 998 1057.6 0.3 (157) 153. Wild Hearted Sons 993 1057.5 4.9 (138) 154. Einstein's Rock Band 994 1054.8 0.0 (160) 155. Tap 989 1053.0 0.5 (150) 156. Goddess Of Fermentation 964 1051.0 30.2 (156) 157. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 945 1050.6 42.4 (163) 158. Dr Joel Fleishman 985 1048.7 3.7 (159) 159. furleys furies 983 1048.6 3.6 (153) 160. convex stars 979 1047.9 5.6 (161) 161. Les Nordiques 939 1046.9 60.4 (155) 162. MY TEAM 932 1045.3 174.8 (167) 163. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 980 1043.9 0.6 (162) Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 977 1043.9 10.5 (169) 165. riding the pine 956 1038.7 20.7 (158) 166. Sundogs 975 1037.1 0.4 (166) 167. Jeff Nimeroff 927 1037.0 48.8 (172) 168. Slap Shot Marco 930 1036.0 51.8 (164) 169. Daryl Turner 976 1035.8 2.4 (179) 170. The Dreamers 921 1033.1 63.7 (180) 171. East City Jokers 919 1031.6 69.1 (173) 172. Flowers 921 1031.4 113.6 (168) 173. Satan's Choice 961 1030.1 14.5 (171) 174. The Leafs Rule!!!! 943 1030.0 25.8 (165) 175. Pierre Mailhot 969 1029.9 2.6 (174) 176. voyageurs 968 1029.4 2.7 (170) 177. Spinal Tap 928 1029.1 41.4 (176) 178. San Jose Mahi Mahi 939 1026.7 31.8 (185) Stimpy ADG Zeta 949 1026.7 21.0 (182) 180. Jeff Bachovchin 916 1024.7 46.7 (175) 181. Bulldogs 941 1024.5 23.4 (184) 182. LANA Inc 940 1021.0 27.3 (177) 183. Big Bad Bruins 939 1020.6 18.5 (186) 184. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 904 1019.1 107.2 (183) 185. Darse Billings 925 1017.8 34.7 (178) 186. Chappel's Chumps 934 1017.6 24.0 (181) 187. JimParker 903 1014.5 179.0 (192) 188. Republican Dirty Tricksters 894 1008.0 66.0 (189) 189. Enforcers 924 1007.8 28.1 (191) 190. Absolut Lehigh 937 1007.7 8.9 (190) 191. Yellow Plague 933 1005.0 14.2 (187) 192. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 929 1003.8 17.1 (198) 193. Bunch of Misfits 916 1003.3 23.8 (188) 194. Ninja Turtles 942 1000.8 1.3 (194) 195. Great Expectations 934 999.3 2.3 (196) 196. Cherry Bombers 939 998.1 1.2 (200) 197. Henry's Bar B Q 941 998.0 0.7 (195) 198. Robyns Team 907 993.5 30.0 (198) 199. Team Melville 891 991.8 46.9 (202) 200. Umpire 4 life 919 990.9 11.1 (193) 201. Acadien 914 988.9 18.3 (197) 202. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 894 988.2 37.6 (207) 203. Firebirds 926 986.5 3.9 (201) 204. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 904 986.1 26.9 (203) 205. Cobra's Killers 891 982.5 31.7 (208) 206. Outlaws 871 981.6 164.9 (206) 207. Kuta Papercuts 912 981.5 18.5 (204) 208. Killer Apes 902 979.9 24.3 (205) 209. DARMAN'S Dragons 896 979.4 28.3 (211) 210. Roger Smith 882 978.2 39.6 (212) 211. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 862 975.1 55.9 (210) 212. Thundering Herd 860 972.8 163.6 (218) 213. IKEA Wholesale 910 970.2 1.7 (214) 214. Believe it or dont 895 968.7 21.1 (215) 215. fred mckim 861 966.8 93.0 (217) 216. 400 Hurricane 880 966.4 32.1 (216) 217. Creeping Death 886 965.0 21.3 (220) 218. Knee Injuries 897 964.9 10.4 (213) 219. The 200 Club 902 964.7 6.8 (209) 220. Crazy Euros 888 962.1 17.9 (219) 221. Frack Attack 875 961.8 27.3 (226) 222. Todd's Turkeys 898 957.0 1.9 (229) 223. Ryan's Renegades 858 956.4 50.9 (225) 224. Cafall and Crew 862 955.9 38.3 (222) 225. pig vomit 894 955.2 1.3 (227) 226. Ice Strykers 848 954.4 105.4 (221) 227. Fighting Geordies 850 954.1 141.6 (223) 228. CDN Stuck in Alabama 886 945.7 10.3 (231) 229. Ship's Way 884 943.4 8.7 (233) 230. Swillbellies 870 942.8 18.7 (228) 231. Oz 851 941.8 35.0 (235) 232. Chris of Death 835 939.3 83.6 (234) 233. Banko's Beer Rangers 875 938.6 4.2 (230) 234. NY Flames 872 938.1 7.8 (232) 235. Laubsters II 828 937.4 201.6 (237) 236. dayton bomber 882 935.1 0.0 (241) 237. Zipper Heads 847 931.7 33.9 (224) 238. Ninja Bunnies 826 928.1 44.9 (236) 239. Joliet Inmates 832 926.0 45.8 (239) 240. Widefield White Wolves 832 924.1 36.9 (242) 241. Daves Team 834 920.9 32.0 (238) 242. Great Scott 814 917.8 73.3 (240) 243. South Carolina Tiger Paws 806 915.1 78.4 (243) 244. SANDY'S SABRES 854 910.8 4.7 (245) 245. Florida Tech Burgh Team 809 904.6 49.3 (250) 246. The Ice Holes 850 903.9 2.7 (246) 247. Leos Blue Chips 845 902.9 10.4 (244) 248. For xtc 837 897.8 8.2 (248) 249. roadrunners 826 895.9 18.5 (249) 250. Mudville Kings 816 894.0 27.6 (251) 251. Redliners 820 890.8 15.9 (253) 252. Pat Phillips 827 889.1 10.1 (247) 253. New Jersey Rob 835 883.0 0.7 (252) 254. Stewart Clamen 821 869.4 1.6 (255) 255. Demon Spawn 782 860.1 25.0 (254) 256. Sunnyvale Storm 772 813.5 0.2 (256) 257. Allez les Blues 713 810.7 476.9 (257) 258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 725 795.0 23.0 (260) 259. Petes Picks 689 788.1 168.5 (258) 260. RINACO 682 781.6 114.0 (259) 261. Brenz Revenge 669 718.5 4.0 (261) 262. Dinamo Riga 571 663.8 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 8104,15,"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu Lines: 24 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes: > >> Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered: >> prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7 > >One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin >of physically abusing one's wife. The husband is usually physically >stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her. >He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an >example of a specific sin that blocks prayer. >Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org I would be a bit more specific in looking at this verse in regard to 'blocking' prayer. I have trouble thinking that God would allow anything to block our access to him in prayer, especially if we have sinned and are praying for forgivenenss. I can see, however, how our prayer life might be hindered by our sin, if we are concentrating on what is causing the sin or what has happened, we may not be thinking about prayer, thus our prayers are 'hindered' by our own actions. But I don't think anything can 'block' the transmission, or reception of prayer to God. Shalom, Len Howard " 8105,5,"From: nenad%saturn@sdsu.EDU (Nenad Marovac) Subject: C++ and C for OS/2 Organization: The Internet Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Cc: nenad@saturn.SDSU.EDU Hi folks, ] Does anybody know for a good 32-bit C++/C compiler for OS/2 that supports OS/2 API and Microsoft windows (maybe Windows NT)? thanx N. Marovac, SDSU " 8106,5,"From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne) Subject: Re: xdm and Solaris2.1 Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC Lines: 11 The XDM on Solaris 2.1 *WAS* broke. Since two weeks, Sun distributes a patched release, which works fine (supports /etc/shadow and all). We have it up and running ever since and have not experienced any problems. Call your local Sun rep. Dick. -- +==============================Ahold NV===============================+ | Room 146 , Ankersmidplein 2, 1506 CK Zaandam, The Netherlands, EEC | | Dick.Heijne@ccsds.ahold.nl - Tel: +31 75 592151, Fax: +31 75 313030 | +=====================================================================+ " 8107,9,"From: shapiro-david@yale.edu (David Shapiro) Subject: Re: TIGERS Organization: What, me organized? Lines: 8 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu In-reply-to: Ryan Kearns's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:09:21 EDT Woof woof! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Shapiro | ""People can call it a monkey, but I felt like shapiro-david@yale.edu | I had a piano on my back all winter long.... shapiro@minerva.cis.yale.edu | The piano is off my back. Maybe a trombone | will be next."" -- Stan Belinda " 8108,2,"From: cui@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Jun Cui) Subject: How to hold the control to a window object? Keywords: ObjectWindows, MS-Windows, SDK Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.misc comp.windows.ms Lines: 30 //I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1) and trying to get some data //processed in a window object. However, when the calling program invokes //the window object, it gives up the control to the window object, and keeps //executing the next statement. I would like the calling program, after //invoking the window object, to wait until the window object is closed. //Can I do that? My program may look like: class MyWindow : public TWindow { ... }; void MyCallingProg(...) // Could the calling program be a C function? { ... MyWindow *MyWinObj; MyWinObj = new MyWindow(...); GetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj); MyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL); next statement; // I want the program to wait here until MyWinObj ... // is closed so that I can get some data back from ... // MyWinObj. I specified the window style to be ... // WS_POPUPWINDOW, didn't help. Is there any other way ... // to execute the window object so that the calling ... // program won't give up the control? Any help would } // be appreciated. Thanks. -- Jun To talk to the Lord with PS/2 through MS-Windows " 8109,3,"From: ent811l@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Christopher Kuperman) Subject: Re: Do I need intelligent serial I/O?? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 31 Bill writes: : : No, buy the serial port and modem. Each can be used for other things, : you can use the modem with your next computer (might not be a PC) or : upgrade the modem without changing the box. I hear that ISDN is big in : Europe, you might be able to get one of those beautiful ISDN modems for : less than the pice of a car someday (64k bidirectional). : : -- : bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345 : Unfortunately the curent United States standard on ISDN is 54Kbit.. :( but i suppose whats 10Kbit.. C.Kup. _____________________________________________________________________________ [__From_________________________________][ aka: Christopher Kuperman ] [_______________________________________][ The holistic systems consultant ] [____@@@@@@____________________@@_______][------------------------------------] [_______@@____@@@@@___@@_@@@___@@__@@___][ email: zork@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ] [______@@____@@___@@__@@@___@__@@@@_____][------------------------------------] [_____@@_____@@___@@__@@_______@@_@@____][ Giv a man a fish & he'll eat for a ] [____@@@@@@@__@@@@@___@@_______@@__@@___][ day, teach him how to fish & he'll ] [_______________________________________][_eat for ever.______________________] " 8110,1,"From: kewe@bskewe.atr.bso.nl (Cornelis Wessels) Subject: Point within a polygon Organization: MATHEMAGIC Lines: 71 In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk> scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk writes: > > I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a > polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing > information on the subject ? > > Regards > > Simon > /* +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Function : PuntBinnenPolygoon | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Auteur : Cornelis Wessels | | | | Datum : 11-01-1993 | | | | Omschrijving: Bepaalt of de aangeboden VECTOR2D p binnen of op de | | rand van het polygoon P valt. | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Wijzigingen : - | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ */ CLIBSTATUS PuntBinnenPolygoon ( POLYGOON *P, VECTOR2D *p ) { VECTOR2D o, v, w; INDEX aantal_snijpunten, N, n; aantal_snijpunten = 0; N = GeefPolygoonLengte(P); GeefPolygoonRandpunt ( P, N, &o ); for ( n=1; n<=N; n++ ) { GeefPolygoonRandpunt ( P, n, &v ); if ( o.x >= p->x && v.x < p->x || o.x < p->x && v.x >= p->x ) { w.x = p->x; InterpoleerLineair ( &o, &v, &w ); if ( w.x == p->x && w.y == p->y ) return(CLIBSUCCES); else if ( w.y > p->y ) aantal_snijpunten++; } KopieerVector2d ( &v, &o ); } if ( aantal_snijpunten%2 == 0 ) return(CLIBERBUITEN); else return(CLIBSUCCES); } Cornelis Wessels Krommenoord 14 3079 ZT ROTTERDAM The Netherlands +31 10 4826394 kewe@bskewe.atr.bso.nl " 8111,7,"From: mcrosbie@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Any Syclone or Typhoon owners out there? Lines: 4 I want to start of list for Syclone and Typhoon owners. If you are interested in participating, please contact me via e-mail. Merrill " 8112,0,"Organization: Penn State University From: Andrew Newell Subject: Re: Christian Morality is Lines: 32 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) says: > >In <11836@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: > >>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike >Cobb) writes: > >> If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That >> he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his >> undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes. > >What are the volumes that it speaks besides the fact that he leaves your >choices up to you? Leaves the choices up to us but gives us no better reason to believe than an odd story of his alleged son getting killed for us? And little new in the past few thousand years, leaving us with only the texts passed down through centuries of meddling with the meaning and even wording. ...most of this passing down and interpretation of course coming from those who have a vested interest in not allowing the possibility that it might not be the ultimate truth. What about maybe talking to us directly, eh? He's a big god, right? He ought to be able to make time for the creations he loves so much...at least enough to give us each a few words of direct conversation. What, he's too busy to get around to all of us? Or maybe a few unquestionably-miraculous works here and there? ...speaks volumes upon volumes to me that I've never gotten a chance to meet the guy and chat with him. " 8113,7,"From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 28 Remember roads in America are NOT designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55-65. Roads like the Autobahn are smoother, straiter, wider and slightly banked. Example: A few months back I was traveling late at night ( 3:00 am or so) and I was changing highways at a bent crosssing. It curved off to the south east becoming hidden by trees after about 1,000 ft and continued to the left strait north. I wanted to turn north, checked the south lane, rolled into the crossing and checked the north lane. Nevertheless there wasn't a car in sight, so I took one last look and pulled into the left hand lane. Now my car isn't a 5 sec 0-60 performer but I was in the corect lane and over 40 in decent time, even at 3:00 I wasn't wasting time. It was then that I checked my mirror and saw a Mustang closing in my lane *FAST*, he had just turned the corner and was just noticing me. Luckly he saw me and changed lanes in time, I estamate he was moving in excess of 90 or so. I was just a by stander, I had no chance of runing from him, or moving out of his way. I'm glad he saw my brake lights in time. I shudder to think of what would have happened had I wainted to pull out and not left the time he needed to dodge me. Rule: Just because your car can do 100+, and your way is clear, don't assume it will stay that way. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TRAVIS disclamer: the ideas expressed above are in fact the same as my employer, since I have none |-) e-mail, flame, at : marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 8114,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: War Powers Resolution on Bosnia 4.14.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 102 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 14, 1993 TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE April 13, 1993 Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:) As part of my continuing effort to keep the Congress fully informed, I am providing this report, consistent with section 4 of the War Powers Resolution, to advise you of actions that I have ordered in support of the United Nations efforts in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Beginning with U.N. Security Council Resolution 713 of September 25, 1991, the United Nations has been actively addressing the crisis in the former Yugoslavia. The Security Council acted in Resolution 781 to establish a ban on all unauthorized military flights over Bosnia-Herzegovina. There have, however, been blatant violations of the ban, and villages in Bosnia have been bombed. In response to these violations, the Security Council decided, in Resolution 816 of March 31, 1993, to extend the ban to all unauthorized flights over Bosnia-Herzegovina and to authorize Member States, acting nationally or through regional organi- zations, to take all necessary measures to ensure compliance. NATO's North Atlantic Council (NAC) agreed to provide NATO air enforcement for the no-fly zone. The U.N. Secretary General was notified of NATO's decision to proceed with Operation DENY FLIGHT, and an activation order was delivered to participating allies. The United States actively supported these decisions. At my direction, the Joint Chiefs of Staff sent an execute order to all U.S. forces participating in the NATO force, for the conduct of phased air operations to prevent flights not authorized by the United Nations over Bosnia-Herzegovina. The U.S. forces initially assigned to this operation consist of 13 F-15 and 12 F-18A fighter aircraft and supporting tanker aircraft. These aircraft commenced enforcement operations at 8:00 a.m. e.d.t. on April 12, 1993. The fighter aircraft are equipped for combat to accomplish their mission and for self-defense. NATO has positioned forces and has established combat air patrol (CAP) stations within the control of Airborne Early Warning (AEW) aircraft. The U.S. CAP aircraft will normally operate from bases in Italy and from an aircraft carrier in the Adriatic Sea. Unauthorized aircraft entering or approaching the no-fly zone will be identified, interrogated, intercepted, escorted/monitored, and turned away (in that order). If these steps do not result in compliance with the no-fly zone, such aircraft may be engaged on the basis of proper authorization by NATO military authorities and in accordance with the approved more (OVER) 2 rules of engagement, although we do not expect such action will be necessary. The Commander of UNPROFOR (the United Nations Protection Force currently operating in Bosnia-Herzegovina) was consulted to ensure that his concerns for his force were fully considered before the rules of engagement were approved. It is not possible to predict at this time how long such operations will be necessary. I have directed U.S. armed forces to participate in these operations pursuant to my constitutional authority as Commander in Chief. I am grateful for the con- tinuing support that the Congress has given to this effort, and I look forward to continued cooperation as we move forward toward attainment of our goals in this region. Sincerely, WILLIAM J. CLINTON # # # " 8115,12,"From: sknapp@iastate.edu (Steven M. Knapp) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 16 In article oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes: >In <1993Apr06.173031.9793@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes: > >>So, the questions are - >> Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector detectors. ;-) Look in Car and Driver (last 6 months should do), they had a big review of the ""better"" detectors, and stealth was a factor. ________________________________________________________________________ Steven M. Knapp Computer Engineering Student sknapp@iastate.edu President Cyclone Amateur Radio Club Iowa State University; Ames, IA; USA Durham Center Operations Staff " 8116,17,"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Israeli Media (was Re: Israeli Terrorism) Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 33 In article <2BD9C01D.11546@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: |> In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: |> >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in |> >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering |> >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is |> >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. |> |> Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or |> Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? |> Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way |> to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political |> agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. |> |> Tim To Andi, I have to disagree with you about the value of Israeli news sources. If you want to know about events in Palestine it makes more sense to get the news directly from the source. EVERY news source is inherently biased to some extent and for various reasons, both intentional and otherwise. However, the more sources relied upon the easier it is to see the ""truth"" and to discern the bias. Go read or listen to some Israeli media. You will learn more news and more opinion about Israel and Palestine by doing so. Then you can form your own opinions and hopefully they will be more informed even if your views don't change. Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) Jake can call me Doctor Mohandes Brad ""Ali"" Hernlem (as of last Wednesday) " 8117,3,From: phu.luong@u2u.lonestar.org (Phu Luong) Subject: help Distribution: world Organization: USER-TO-USER PCBoard (214)492-6565 (USR DS v32bis) Reply-To: phu.luong@u2u.lonestar.org (Phu Luong) Lines: 12 Can somone explain to me all the stuff about modems... like v.32 v.42 HST USRobotics... why cheap 14.4 can' t cannot connect fast to some modems... just explain to me everything!!! thanks.. ... We must believe in free will. We have no choice. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 8118,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 29 In article , emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes: > The one single historic event that has had the biggest impact on the > world over the centuries is the resurrection of Jesus. At the same > time, it is one of the most hotly contested topics.... > > Did Jesus Christ really rise from the dead? Since the eyewitnesses > are no longer living, we have only their written accounts. ... > ... Because of the magnitude of significance > involved here, either the resurrection is the greatest event in the > history of man or the greatest deception played on man. > [massive amounts of data deleted] John, While I will not take the time to rebut you point by point, I will suggest three current works which I think will be helpful in your quest to answer this question. John Dominic Crossan (Professor of Religion at De Paul Univ)- _The Cross That Spoke_ Harper and Row Pub. 1988, Also his latest work _The Historical Jesus - The Life of A Mediterranean Jewish Peasant_ Harper and Row Pub. 1991, Also two works of Burton Mack (Professor of New Testament at the Claremont Graduate School) _A Myth of Innocence_ Fortress Press 1988, And his latest book _The Lost Gospel: The Book of Q and Christian Origins_ Harper and Row, 1992. You might start with Mack's book on Q and then examine the others afterward. However I think that once you do that you will see that your ""evidence"" is not as sturdy as you'd like. Most of the tired arguements you stated, assume eyewitness accounts, such is not the case. But Anyway look at Mack and Crossan and then get back to us. randy " 8119,1,"From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 20 Mark A. Cartwright (markc@emx.utexas.edu) wrote: : Well, : : 42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the : answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" : That is to quote Douglas Adams in a round about way. : : Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But it WAS discovered (sort of). The question was ""What is 7 times 8?"" When Arthur Dent objected that this was, unfortunately, factually inaccurate, the effort to discover the question was begun all over. This last effort was, I believe, likely to take far longer than the lifespan of the universe, in fact several lifespans of same! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8120,5,"From: fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org (Frank Kaefer) Subject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1 Organization: Stasys News Server, Starnberg, Germany Lines: 22 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: stasys.sta.sub.org dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes: |..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm... |gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw " 8121,1,"From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky) Subject: .GIF to .BMP Organization: Motorola, Inc. Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.160 Lines: 11 I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question. If not, please forgive me and point me in the right direction. Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files and if so, where can I ftp it from? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond via e-mail as I do not read this group very often. Thanks...Scott " 8122,18,"From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in facts? Here's a few Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 19 Oops, I forgot to set read permission. It's fixed now. ftp netcom.com login: anonymous password: your@email.address cd pub/mvp binary get clinton.zip You need pkzip 2.x or the latest net.zip to un-""deflate"" this. Economic stats since Day One, plus all of the myriad ways Slick Willie and the Gang of 535 are preparing to do it to us. From Ron Brown's desk, so any distortion is pro-Democrat, can you believe it? -- Let's face it, when it comes to utilities, Microsoft has | Mike Van Pelt performed about as well as a savings and loan. These are | mvp@netcom.com the guys, remember, who put BACKUP and RESTORE - not to | mvp@lsil.com mention EDLIN - on your hard disk. - Lincoln Spector +---- " 8123,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Level 5? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 13 Nick Haines sez; >(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in >maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case). Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in? -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8124,8,"From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question? Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University Lines: 32 Distribution: net NNTP-Posting-Host: laura.harvard.edu In-reply-to: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT >>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) said: Mike> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes: Me> The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among Me> the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study. Mike> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt Mike> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure* Mike> to swerve? Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the technique which was absent. We have made a lot of progress between rider education and responsibility over the last ten-twenty years... but I am still amazed anytime I teach an ERC how many people of many year riding experience ""discover"" countersteering for cornering or swerving. Mike> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive Mike> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally Mike> preferable? The specific recommandation cited in the Hurt study was that a formal ""street strategy"", like SIPDE for example, was the most important component of any rider education curriculum. The specific skills of emergency braking, cornering and swerving must be taught and practiced as well, but more significant was that 35% of rider did NOTHING confronted with a potential accident, and another third collided or fell over as a result of rider error. The choice of specific maneuver is much less significant to the outcome than early detection and the proper execution of ANY effective countermeasure. -- Jerry Lotto MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18 Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ. ""It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."" " 8125,13,"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 38 In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>>>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >>>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? >>>> >>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >>>> >>>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive >>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) >> >>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to >>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. >> > >Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci >one (and have it). This AM I couldn't find any reference to >""weight rebound"". I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you >cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there. >There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base, >as usual. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's on page 315, about 2 1/2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in from the right. At least we know what some people *haven't* read and remembered. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 " 8126,10,"From: ac942@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Gregoire) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Reply-To: ac942@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Gregoire) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 52 Somebody wrote: >I'd *LOVE* to see a European NHL division but can't see it happen for some >time. There's simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several >""crucial"" markets like Germany, Italy and France while Sweden and Finland >probably can't afford to shell out $20-$30 for tickets the way >American/Canadian fans do. Call it ""the Minnesota North Stars"" effect: >Scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local, inexpensive >hockey to the NHL. The National Hockey League should love the idea, though. >Pan-European TV channels such as Eurosport could bring in the millions the >American networks likely never will pay. This brings up a question I asked myself (no answer) when it was mentionned that the NHL could expand in Europe. Would most of the North-americans now playing in the NHL be willing to play for a team in Europe? I do not think that the majority of hockey players are necessarily interested in expanding their cultural experience to that level. (I know I would but I am not a pro hockey player) When one recalls some players remarks in the last few years it makes me wonder how a European expansion could be achieved. Remember these: - Lindros did not want to play in Quebec (for more than $ reasons) - Nicholls ... in Edmonton. - R. Courtnall wanted to be traded to LA only. - C. Lemieux said he would refuse to go to Edmonton earlier this year. I know there are many non-cultural reasons behind these but there is more: - Some american players who played for the Expos complained about the french fact and that the city was not quite like the other US cities. One players' wife trying to make her point went on to complain that she could not even find her favorite brand of nacho chips in Montreal. Anybody knows what happened when all these US football players moved to London, Spain, etc .. for the one year of that new football league (2 years ago?) I wonder what the players association thinks about going to Europe. Myself I would like to see some European teams, but what would be the best way to do it? Marc " 8127,1,"From: rap@coconut.cis.ufl.edu (Ryan Porter) Subject: Re: DMORPH Article-I.D.: snoopy.1pqlhnINN8k1 Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: coconut.cis.ufl.edu In article <1993Apr3.183303.6442@usl.edu> jna8182@ucs.usl.edu (Armstrong Jay N) writes: >Can someone please tell me where I can ftp DTA or DMORPH? DMorf (Dave's Morph, I think is what it means) and DTax (Dave's TGA Assembler) are available in the MSDOS_UPLOADS directory on the wuarchive. They are arjed and bundled with their respective xmemory versions, dmorfx.exe and dtax.exe, you can also find a version of aaplay.exe there, with which you can view files you create with dta.exe or dtax.exe. I downloaded the whole bunch last week and have been morphing away the afternoons since. The programmes are all a bit buggy and definitely not-ready-to-spread-to-the-masses, but they are very well written. The interface is frustrating at first, but it gets easy once you figure out the tricks. I have noticed that dmorfx will crash horribly if you try to morph without using the splines option. Not sure why, since I don't have the source. I think it was written for TP 6.0. If anyone else comes up with any other hints on getting the thing to work right, tell me; it took me several hours the first time just to figure out that if I just used the durned splines then it would work... >JNA >jna8182@usl.edu -Ryan rap@cis.ufl.edu " 8128,5,"From: darcym@fpddet4.mentorg.com (Darcy McCallum) Subject: Keyboard mapping and window placement questions Nntp-Posting-Host: fpddet4.mentorg.com Organization: mentor Keywords: Lines: 27 These are two common subjects so I hope someone has had to deal with these specific questions. 1. If my application depends on modifiers, what is the best lookup method? My choices are to call XGetModifierMapping() for each key press with a modifier, or make the call once at the init of the app and store the modifiers in a lookup table. I would like to do it the second way, but I can't seem to get the notify when the user uses xmodmap to remap the modifiers. I know that when an app calls XSetModifierMapping() a MappingNotify event is generated (non-maskable) which I can pick up and modify my internal table. But, I don't seem to get any notify events when the user uses xmodmap. If I use Xt, all O'Reilly has to say is '...is automatically handled by Xt...'. If I use Xlib, ala XNextEvent(), I get nothing. This all stems from problems with users of the Sun 4/5 keyboard and the NumLock; plus various Alt/Meta/etc. modifier requirements. 2. I would like to place a popup so that it will be to the immediate right of my main window. I want it at the same y coord, and their right/left sides touching. What I need to ask for is the x,y coord of the window manager's border for the main window. This should ring a bell with anyone who has called XtMoveWidget(), immediately checking the x,y after the move and seeing that it is right, and in their next callback asking for the x,y and seeing that it is now offset by the WM border. Any help would be most appreciated. Darcy darcy_mccallum@mentorg.com " 8129,3,"From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) Subject: Re: DOS 6.0 Interlink Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 9 jka@air77.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes: >Hi, > Does anyone know what type of cabling is required to use the Interlink >capability, provided in DOS 6.0? I tried a null modem cable and had two copies of procomm+ talking happily to one another - but Interlink kept saying ""No Connection made"". I gave up and used floppies! " 8130,14,"From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Space Advertising (1 of 2) X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 81 Brian Yamauchi asks: [Regarding orbital billboards...] >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild >idea"" stage or does it have real funding? Well, I had been collecting data for next edition of the Commercial Space News/Space Technology Investor... To summarize: SPACE ADVERTISING First, advertising on space vehicles is not new -- it is very common practice to put the cooperating organization's logos on the space launch vehicle. For example, the latest GPS launcher had the (very prominent) logos on its side of - McDonnell Douglas (the Delta launcher) - Rockwell International (who built the GPS satellite) - USAF (who paid for the satellite and launch), and - the GPS/Navstar program office This has not been considered ""paid advertising"" but rather ""public relations"", since the restrictions have been such that only organizations involved in the launch could put their logos on the side, and there was no money exchanged for this. [However, putting a 10' high logo on the side of the launch vehicle facing the cameras is ""advertising"" as much as it is ""public relations"", in my opinion.] [And by the way, I note that the DC-X test vehicle has rather prominent McDonnell-Douglas and SDIO logos on the side...] There have been several studies looking at the revenue potentials for use of space vehicles for advertising, or placing large advertising signs in orbit. On the shuttle, for example, I know of several serious studies in the early and mid 1980's which looked at putting logos on the external tank, or on the sides of the payload bay. These ventures would be different than ""public relations"", in that the logos or displays would not be restricted to the firms participating on that flight, and would involve payment of sums for the right to fly the logos in a prominent organization. (For example, painting the ET to look like a Pepsi can, or putting a Disneyworld logo on the inside of the payload bay where the cameras would scan past it.) ADVERTS ON LAUNCH VEHICLES The first paid advertising was done on a Soviet launcher in about 1990, when several non-involved foreign organizations were allowed to pay to put their logos on a Proton launch. (An Italian shoe company was one of the first advertisers, I remember.) Similarly, Soviet cosmonauts on Mir made a paid advertisement for the last Olympic games, and have gleefully shown banners and other items from participating firms and organizations. Mars candy bars, for example, got a plug from orbit as a sponsor of the launch of the British visiting cosmonaut to Mir. Now US firms are starting to put paid advertisements on launch vehicles. The upcoming Conestoga launch (in June) putting the COMET recoverable payload capsule into orbit will have paid advertisements on the side, for Arnold Schwarzenegger's upcoming movie ""The Last Action Hero"". Besides the usual logos of the participating organizations, Columbia pictures has paid $500,000 to put ads on the main fuselage of the mission's Conestoga rocket, its booster rockets, and on the COMET payload, which will orbit the Earth for one month. A concept for this advertising display was published in Space News magazine a couple of months ago. (As a side note: Robert Lorsch, an advertising executive, is talking about suing NASA. He charges NASA with appropriating an idea he created with the space agency in 1981 to form corporate advertising sponsorships on NASA spacecraft as a way to get funding for the space program. Lorsch contends that in selling advertising space on the upcoming COMET, NASA violated an agreement that it ""would not use his idea without him being the exclusive representative for NASA and receiving compensation."" This is being disputed, since the launch is a ""commercial launch"" and NASA is receiving none of the advertising revenues, but the funding for the COMET program is coming from NASA.) ORBITAL ""BILLBOARDS"" Orbital ""billboards"" have been the staple of science fiction for some time. Arthur C. Clarke wrote about one example, and Robert Heinlein described another in ""The Man Who Sold the Moon"". Several different potential projects have been developed, although none have been implemented, but the most real prior to 1993 being the ""Eiffel II"" project, which would have placed a large inflatable sculpture in orbit to celebrate the French Republic's Bi-centennial. (cont) --- Maximus 2.01wb " 8131,3,"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Help me select a Backup Solution Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 55 Hi Netters! I'm looking at purchasing some sort of backup solution. After you read about my situation, I'd like your opinion. Here's the scenario: 1. There are two computers in the house. One is a small 286 (40MB IDE drive). The other is a 386DX (213 SCSI drive w/ Adaptec 1522 controller). Both systems have PC TOOLS and will use Central Point Backup as the backup / restore program. Both systems have 3.5"" and 5.25"" floppies. 2. The computers are not networked (nor will they be anytime soon). From what I have seen so far, there appear to be at least 4 possible solutions (I'm sure there are others I haven't thought about). For these options, I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has tried them or sees any flaws (drive type X won't coexist with device Y, etc.) in my thinking (I don't know very much about these beasts): 1. Put 2.88MB floppy drives (or a combination drive) on each system. Can someone supply cost and brand information? What's a good brand? What do the floppies themselves cost? 2. Put an internal tape backup unit on the 386 using my SCSI adapter, and continue to back up the 286 with floppies. Again, can someone recommend a few manufacturers? The only brand I remember is Colorado Memories. Any happy or unhappy users (I know about the compression controversy)? 3. Connect an external tape backup unit on the 386 using my SCSI adapter, and (maybe?) connect it to the 286 somehow (any suggestions?) 4. Install a Floptical drive in each machine. Again, any gotcha's or recommendations for manufacturers? I appreciate your help. You may either post or send me e-mail. I will summarize all responses for the net. Thanks, George =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= George J. Pandelios Internet: gjp@sei.cmu.edu Software Engineering Institute usenet: sei!gjp 4500 Fifth Avenue Voice: (412) 268-7186 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 FAX: (412) 268-5758 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the Software Engineering Institute, its sponsors, customers, clients, affiliates, or Carnegie Mellon University. In fact, any resemblence of these opinions to any individual, living or dead, fictional or real, is purely coincidental. So there. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 8132,13,"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 53 In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >|> genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out >|> binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence > >But why do you characterize this as a ""flight of fancy"" or a ""fantasy""? The fantasy was that he had found something of fundamental importance to one of the hot questions of the day ('77). He really had very little reason to believe it, other than raw hope. By fantasy, I certainly don't mean Velikovskian manias. >some other theory or domain). I would offer some rather well known examples >such as Toricelli's Puy de Dome experiment done for the sake of his >""sea of air"" hypothesis. I'm not familiar with the history of this experiment, although, arguably, I should be. >""surprising""? >Well, given the *prior* explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly >be counted as so. Was the theory constructed (and the experiment designed) >out of ""perfectly rational grounds""? Well, there was a pretty successful and >well know theory of fluids. The analogy to fluids by Toricelli is explicit. >The novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid (but this was *quite* a novelty >at the time). Was the theory interesting? Yes. Was it ""new""? Well, one >could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new >domain, but I think this begs certain questions. We can debate that if you >like. I think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising. That's not what I'd quibble about. What I'd like to know are Toricelli's reasons for doing his experiment; not the post hoc _constructed_ reasons, but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem. It may be impossible to know much about Toricelli's thoughts; that's too bad if it is so. One of Root-Bernstein's services to science is that he has gone rooting about in Pasteur's and Fleming's (and other people's) notes, and has discovered some surprising clues about their motivations. Pasteur never publicly admitted his plan to create mirror-image life, but the dreams are right there in his notebooks (finally public after many years), ready for anyone to read. And I and my friends often have the most ridiculous reasons for pursuing results; one of my best came because I was mad at a colleague for a poorly-written claim (I disproved the claim). Of course, Toricelli's case may be an example of a rarety: where the fantasy not only motivates the experiment, but turns out to be right in the end. Mark -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu " 8133,8,"From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 27 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: > The only people who train for years to jump a horse 2 feet >are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets. > Which, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about horses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing my Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>> >> Or I'm permanently injured. > >Oops. too late. > Nah, I can still walk unaided. -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. " 8134,8,"From: pnakada@oracle.com (Paul Nakada) Subject: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding Article-I.D.: pnakada.PNAKADA.93Apr5140811 Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: pnakada.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. What's the feeling about eating and riding? I went out riding this weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie. The whole ride back I felt sluggish. I was certainly much more alert on the ride in. I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides. From now on, a little snack will do. I'd much rather have a get that full/sluggish feeling closer to home. -Paul -- Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S " 8135,4,"Distribution: world From: hyerstay@adrenaline.com (Jason Hyerstay) Organization: Adrenaline Online, (802) 425-2332, a FirstClass BBS Subject: Re: Mac oriented BBSs in Chicago Lines: 28 > A member of the local BBS I frequent is looking for Mac oriented > BBSs based in Chicago. > > Any leads would be most appreciated. Here is a list of the FirstClass systems in Illinois: Chicago Machine Chicago, IL (312) 233-9607 Insane Domain Chicago, IL (312) 274-9515 MAC Universe BBS Chicago, IL (312) 235-6794 The NET Rockford, IL (815) 968-4729 MacTRIPP Wilmette, IL (708) 251-4158 Innovators Vernon Hills, IL (708) 918-1231 If anyone wants the numbers to more FirstClass systems, I would be glad to post the complete list. - Jason Hyerstay - Adrenaline Admin =========================================================================== = /| |\ |-\ /-- \ | /\ | | \ | /-- Adrenaline Online (FirstClass) = = /-| | \ |_/ |- |\| /--| | | |\| |- (802) 425-2332 * Charlotte, VT = = / | |_/ | \ \-- | \ | | |-- | | \ \-- Free Access!! * 16.8K HST Dual = =========================================================================== = OneNet * MacUnion * FidoNet * UseNet * 120+ Conferences * Megs of Files = = Dedicated to Mac users, cyberpunks, civil libertarians and mecha gamers = =========================================================================== " 8136,11,"From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Lines: 65 In article habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro) writes: >In <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) >writes: > >>Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer >>recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... > >> telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp >> Trying 129.6.54.11... >> Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. >> Escape character is '^]'. >> 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT >> expn clipper >> 500 Command unrecognized > >>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. > >Then it is a good thing we already have this: > >The csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on > [rest of names deleted] Sigh... my version of 'rn' asked me whether I really want to send this posting! You may as well know that all this stuff about the secret source of the Clipper announcement is because of a silly mistake. I am the administrator of csrc.ncsl.nist.gov, alias first.org. It's a system set up to help out the needs of FIRST, a Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams, which includes a number of world-wide incident response teams such as CERT/CC and other places in Europe. As to the VRFY and EXPN commands, they are normally disabled, since early on we didn't want crackers to find out the names of incident response folks on our mailing lists. We had a disk crash several months ago which required completely rebuilding the O/S files - same old story, our backups weren't especially helpful. As you can guess, I didn't remember to re-disable VRFY and EXPN until I saw people on the net trying to find out who was behind clipper@csrc... When I saw people's names posted here, I felt it was time to clear things up. So, EXPN and VRFY on csrc have always been disabled in the past for reasons having nothing to do with Clipper. I posted the White House announcements at the request of policy folks here because csrc also provides Usenet service. I posted them from an account called 'clipper.' I also created an alias called 'clipper' that contains the addresses of members of the NIST Computer Security Privacy and Advisory Board, set up under law of the Computer Security Act of 1987, and addresses of other individuals not affiliated with NIST but involved in cryptography, security, and privacy - I believe that these individuals were included on this list because NIST felt it important to get them the Clipper information first-hand. The 'clipper' alias is there for the benefit of those named above. It is not a source for information, it was set up solely to monitor any initial traffic. Individuals on the list have requested that they continue to get traffic that is not already duplicated on Usenet. While you can rightfully say we were a bit disorganized in handling this, I would ask that people stop speculating about any hidden agendas or motives of the individuals on the 'clipper' alias - I've already apologized to them for what's happened. Disabling EXPN and VRFY is an increasingly common practice (albeit unfriendly to some), and any effect of disabling it again was unintentional. -John Wack " 8137,3,"From: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu (cis083 sec001 spr93) Subject: Leading Edge Computer-Buy? Organization: Temple University Lines: 46 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good computer or does someone see something wrong with it. I also would like to switch the motherboard later when this computer becomes too slow. Does anyone know if this is possible with a Leading Edge Computer, or will it be difficult to find a motherboard that will fit in this computer. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Leading Edge- Model PC4170E * Intel 486SX/25 Mhz CPU * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?) * Upgradable to 486DX2/66 * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB * 8 KB internal cache * 1.2 MB 5 1/4"" & 1.44 MB 3.5"" Disk Drives * 213 MB Hard Drive * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible) * 4 5.25"" drive bays, 3 external * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin) * One 15-pin analog video connector * One PS/2 Compatible mouse port * 200 Watt power supply * 101 key keyboard and mouse included * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this. Is it a good price? Thanks! -- *************************************************** * * * Nicole Bell at Temple University Philly, PA * * * * E-Mail Address: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu * * Prodigy: JPKN01A * * * * ""If you're not part of the solution - * * you're part of the precipitate "" * * Steven Wright * *************************************************** " 8138,10,From: kerney@ecn.purdue.edu (John Kerney) Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/17 Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 17 Could someone post the Flyers record with and without Eric Lindros in the lineup I have a guy that is trying to compare the Quebec/Flyers trade to the Dallas/Minnesota trade in the NFL(Hershel Walker) I just need the stat to back up my point that Eric will be one of the next great players thanks john 8139,9,"Subject: Re: Bo was a good player, you shorts (plus idiots) From: guilford@otago.ac.nz <1993Apr5.101636.1@otago.ac.nz> Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 106 In article , drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes: > BO JACKSON 1963 > 1988 KCR 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 .253 67 .243 .288 .455 > 1989 KCR 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 .274 92 .259 .314 .507 > 1990 KCR 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 .286 77 .272 .343 .519 > 1991 CWS 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 .240 10 .225 .337 .394 > MAJ 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 .270 246 .256 .316 .489 > MAJ 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 > > This is what Jackson looked like in 88-91, with everything converted > to a neutral park, on the basis of run production. His equivalent > average started at .253 in 88, was up to .274 in 89 and 286 in 90. So > let us say he had established, in his last two seasons, a .280 level > of play. I'm not quite sure how these numbers are generated. It appears that in a neutral park Bo's HR and slugging tend to drop (he actually loses two home runs). Or do they? What is ""equivalent average?"" One thing, when looking at Bo's stats, is that you can see that KC took away some homers. Normally, you expect some would-be homers to go for doubles or triples in big parks, or to be caught, and for that matter you expect lots of doubles and triples anyway. But Bo, despite his speed, hit very few doubles and not that many triples. So I would expect his value to have risen quite considerably in a neutral park. > That is good. Very good, in fact. But it probably doesn't make the top > ten in the league. The 10th best EQA in the AL in 1992 was Dave > Winfield's .296; Thomas was first at .350. First in the NL was Bonds, > an incroyable .378; tenth was Bip Roberts, .297. But .280 is better > than any season in the past five years by Joe Carter; it is about what > Mattingly had in 1988 (.285); what Felix Jose had the last two years; > just ahead of Time Raines' five-year average; better than Ryan > Klesko's MLEs. Felix Jose has been a .350/.440 player in a fairly neutral park. I would offhand guess the `89-`90 Bo at around a .330/.530 player. Maybe .330/.550 . Not even close. > He got more attention from the media than was warranted from his > baseball playing, though; his hype was a lot better than his hitting. > That is the basis for the net.comments about him being overrated. The > media would have you beleive he was a great hitter. I think he was a > good, maybe very good hitter. He was IMO, something like the 30th best > hitter in the majors. I'd put him about there too. Note: I hadn't realized the media had hyped him so much. I thought he was always viewed by them as a better football player, and only so-so at baseball. He did only have one 30-hr, 100-rbi season, and KC wasn't winning. Note 2: I maybe have harped on this a bit in the past, but there is a mistake being made (by the SDCN's, as they are known, on this group) with respect to players like Bo and Deion and Lofton (and perhaps others). We find, that if you look at a large group of players, their past major and minor league numbers will predict their future numbers fairly well. Their are some caveats: the younger they are, the less good the prediction; the lower the minor league, the less good (I imagine), the more recent the player has left college ball, etc. Now of course, this prediction involves quite a bit of ""error."" Sometimes a player with poor MLE's (Dave Justice, the 1990 Ventura) becomes a star. Some hitters develop (Shane Mack, Brian Downing), some don't (Oddibe McDowell, Mickey Brantley). This error involves real things: there are real reasons why Oddibe didn't hit and Shane did. It may (who knows) involve parks and batting coaches and wheaties and injuries and lifting and so on. But still, you have this big pool of players, and things work pretty well. One of the reasons for these predictions accuracy is the common background of the players. One thing we know about professional baseball players is that all of them (or almost all) have spent a good deal of time playing ball. Their backgrounds are similar. What hasn't been established is what happens when you encounter a player with a different background? Is there some reason to believe that a Bo, or a Deion, or a Lofton, or a Tony Gwynn (?), or an Ainge, or so on, has such a different background, that the standard model and standard assumptions fit this person slowly? It hasn't been established that you can use MLE's with two-sport players. (It hasn't been established that you can't, but then statistics is, after all, an art). I personally think otherwise lucid individuals continually make completely nonsensical statements about Bo and Deion and Lofton. ""Look at those good-but-not-great minor league numbers,"" they say. Well, what happens if those numbers simply don't mean what they usually mean? It might mean that Ken Lofton suddenly has a better year in Houston than Tuscon. It might mean that Deion suddenly has a better half-year in Atlanta than Greenville. Then again, it might not. Ken and Deion might go right back in the tank this year, live up to those poor MLE's. But you guys DON'T KNOW. What's worse, you don't know that you don't. And you don't know that there are other players you won't know about -- injuries and lifting and wheaties again. You seem to think that the model is perfect and eternal. It's not. It's got some error. Oh well. Bill Guilford still thinks ""hairy butt is truly ugly"" might be right " 8140,11,"From: Rick Miller - former spook Subject: Alternate *legal* wiretaps. Organization: Just me. Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33 Summary: Nothing spooky, it's an Executive Order. tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe writes: [...] > It would be a strong incentive, as Vesselin points out, for more >police agencies to ""go rogue"" and try to get keys through more efficient >(but less Constitutional) means. Notice what the release said: > > Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > > A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > ^^^^^^^^^^ > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >The clear implication is that there are ""legal"" authorizations other >than a court order. Just how leaky are these? (And who >knows what's in those 7 pages that authorized the NSA?). There [...] I was a cryptologic tech in the US Navy (CTRSN, nothing big). All 'spooks' in the Navy are required to know the ""gist"" of ""USSID 18"", the Navy-way of naming a particular Presidential ""Executive Order"". It outlines what spooks can and can't do with respect to the privacy of US nationals. The following information is (of course) UNCLASSIFIED. The whole issue hangs about what you mean by ""wiretap"". If the signal can be detected by ""non-intrusive"" means (like radio listening), then it may be recorded and it may be ""analyzed"". ""Analyzed"" means that it may be either deciphered and/or radio-location may be used to locate the transmitter. The catch is this: Any and all record of the signal and its derivatives may only be kept for a maximum of 90 days, after which they are destroyed unless permission is obtained from the US Attorney General to keep them. Didn't you ever wonder how Coast Guard cutters *find* those drug-runners in all those tens of thousands of square miles of sea, even in the dark?!? Rick Miller | Ricxjo Muelisto Send a postcard, get one back! | Enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion! RICK MILLER // 16203 WOODS // MUSKEGO, WIS. 53150 // USA " 8141,6,From: ginkgo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (J. Geary Morton) Subject: Big Block Dodge Carburetor Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Lines: 11 NAPA remanufactured large 4 barrel carburetor for 78-80 big-block 360/440 Dodge. Part #4-244. New in box w/manifold gasket. Retail: $345.00 NAPA price: $250.00 Your price $100.00 + shipping contact Geary Morton phones: 919-851-6565(h) 919-549-7017(w) 8142,17,"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr19.214300.17989@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: |> (Brad Hernlem writes: |> |> |> >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli |> >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the ""retaliatory"" |> >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My ""team"", |> >you see, was ""playing fair"" while the opposing team was rearranging the |> >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. |> |> >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on |> >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori |> >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in |> >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the |> >Lebanese terrorists. |> |> If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the |> issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. [...] |> |> Dorin Dorin, of all the criticism of my post expressed on t.p.m., this one I accept. I regret that aspect of my post. It is my hope that the occupation will end (and the accompanying loss of life) but I believe that stiff resistance can help to achieve that end. Despite what some have said on t.p.m., I think that there is a point when losses are unacceptable. The strategy drove U.S. troops out of Lebanon, at least. Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) " 8143,15,"From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 20 In article , atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > I don't think it's possible to convince atheists of the validity of > Christianity through argument. We have to help foster faith and an > understanding of God. I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here > who were led to Christianity by argument? This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone ""knew the rules."" Today, when you can't count on people knowing even the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is often indistinguishable from a poor one. Sorry; just one of my perennial gripes...<:-> Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton " 8144,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.020533.6165 Distribution: usa Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr5.133542.19077@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes: |> Two years ago he went to work for CONRAIL as a mechanic. |> On the EMD and GE power units (train engines) they NEVER |> EVER change the oil, just the filters I remember seeing an artical on large-engine oil requirements, and one of the ways of prolonging the life of the oil was to run through a heated un-presurized chamber to allow water and volitiles to boil off. This made such long-term usage of oil practical. Isn't the Discovery channel great!?! --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 8145,14,"From: dan@visix.com (Daniel Appelquist) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Reply-To: dan@visix.com (Daniel Appelquist) Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia Lines: 11 dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: [Lots of trippy stuff deleted] Wow... What is this guy smoking and WHERE can I GET SOME? Dan -- Daniel K. Appelquist|QUANTA is the electronically published and distributed dan@visix.com |magazine of science fiction and fantasy. For more 703-758-2712 |information, send mail to quanta+@andrew.cmu.edu or, 703-758-0233 (Fax) |for back issues, ftp export.acs.cmu.edu, id:anonymous. " 8146,13,"From: lindae@netcom.com Subject: Friend Needs Advice... Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 38 A friend of mine is having some symptoms and has asked me to post the following information. A few weeks ago, she noticed that some of her hair was starting to fall out. She would touch her head and strands of hair would just fall right out. (by the way, she is 29 or 30 years old). It continued to occur until she had a bald spot about the size of a half dollar. Since that time, she has gotten two more bald spots of the same size. Other symptoms she's described include: several months of an irregular menstrual cycle (which is strange for her, because she has always been extremely regular); laryngitis every few days -- she will wake up one morning and have almost no voice, and then the next day it's fine; dizzy spells -- she claims that she's had 4 or 5 very bad dizzy spells early in the morning, including one that knocked her to the ground; and general fatigue. She went to a dermatologist first who couldn't find any reason for the symptoms and sent her to an internist who suspected thyroid problems. He did the blood work and claims that everything came back normal. She's very concerned and very confused. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? I told her that I thought she should see an endocrinologist. Does that sound like the right idea? ** By the way, in case you are going to ask...no, she has recently taken any medications that would cause these symptoms...no, she hasn't recently changed her hair products and she hasn't gotten a perm, coloring, or other chemical process that might cause hair to fall out. Thanks in advance for any help! " 8147,6,From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy) Subject: Madison WI summer sublet Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: uwix Lines: 35 Downtown FURNISHED Summer Sublet May 15 thru Aug 15 Great location at: 215 N. Frances St. & Johnson St. (Across Witte) Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson Near State Street & Near South East Dorms Near University Square & Near SERF Two bedroom Your own spacious room (the larger!) Laundry available Parking available Bathroom Kitchen Large Closet Dual Desks Just pay for electricity (~$7/month) Asking $500 for whole summer! Send inquiries to: Howard 608-255-6379 moy@cae.wisc.edu -- -Howard _________________________________________________________ ! Howard Moy ! ! (608) 255-6379 ! 8148,11,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu In article <19930419.155204.305@almaden.ibm.com> ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) writes: > I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip, >and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and tell people, you are likely to go to jail. Perhaps some foreign governments or corporations could help us out by cracking the system outside the USA. The US government could probably stop importation of clone hardware, but a software implementation should be practical. -- John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) " 8149,6,"From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis) Subject: **Web of Spiderman--Auction Update** Summary: Auction update Keywords: High bid at 52.00 Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.155739.14712 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Web of Spiderman--Auction List ISSUES #1-92, ANNUALS 1-7 This set will be auctioned as a complete set (if there is enough interest). The books have been quickly evaluated for grade. All books are VF+ to NM unless noted below (These were ascertained when putting the books into new bags with boards (2 books per bag)): 2-small dinks in spine; 4-spine slightly rolled; 5-2 small crease in front cover, dinks in spine; 13-slight tear-edge front cover; 14-spine dinged up; 15-cover/pages crinkled from humidity; 19-crinkled form water damage; 21-cover not flat; 22-shipping smudge on cover; 28-spine dinked up; 30-3 small dinks in spine; 33-spine dinks; 35-tiny crease top left corner of cover; 38-dinks in spine; 43-paper clip mark; 45- 2 small spine dinks; 47-slight spine roll, spine dinks; 52-back cover crease; 92-cover wrinkled; Annual 1-slight spine roll, cover marks CURRENT HIGH BID: 52.00 BIDDER: Jon (jon@tivoli...) The successful bidder (assuming there is one) will have the books sent UPS, COD-cash or money order. $6.50 will be added to the total successful bid to cover these charges, so bid accordingly. Thanks Mike " 8150,15,"From: armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong) Subject: Re: Prodigal Son Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 18 The parable of the Prodigal Son is not about who is and who isn't an immoral person. It is about grace and the love of God. Most people would agree with that concerning the younger son. The elder son is simply a negative example of the some thing. He thinks that he must earn his father's love, that he has earned it, that he is entitled to it. His father tells him that he is on the wrong track. He has always been loved--for the same reason his brother has always been: he is his father's son. We are too performance oriented to consistently get the point. We are willing to be saved by grace, but once we are Christians we want to go back to earning and deserving. ""Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?"" Gal 3:3 NIV -- Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S. Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng " 8151,9,"Subject: Best Sportwriters... From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: Sportswriters Summary: Sportswriters Lines: 19 Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting??? (Anyone give an opinion) Which city do you think has the best sports coverage in terms of print media? (these are general questions) Is the Washington Post better than the Philadelphia Inquier or the NY Times? Howabout the Philadelphia Daily News compared to the New York Daily News? Do you notice papers being subjective or objective to the home team? " 8152,0,"From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Reply-To: vdp@mayo.edu Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN Lines: 53 In article H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil, khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: ##I strongly suggest that you look up a book called THE BIBLE, THE QURAN, AND ##SCIENCE by Maurice Baucaille, a French surgeon. It is not comprehensive, ##but, it is well researched. I imagine your library has it or can get it ##for you through interlibrary loan. ## I shall try to get hold of it (when I have time to read of course :-) ##In short, Dr Baucaille began investigating the Bible because of pre- ##ceived scientific inaccuracies and inconsistencies. He assumed that ##some of the problems may have been caused by poor translations in by- ##gone days. So, he read what he could find in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic. ##What he found was that the problems didn't go away, they got worse. ##Then, he decided to see if other religions had the same problems. ##So, he picked up the Holy Qur'an (in French) and found similar prob- ##lems, but not as many. SO, he applied the same logoic as he had ##with the Bible: he learned to read it in Arabic. The problems he ##had found with the French version went away in Arabic. He was unable ##to find a wealth of scientific statements in the Holy Qur'an, but, ##what he did find made sense with modern understanding. So, he ##investigated the Traditions (the hadith) to see what they had to ##say about science. they were filled with science problems; after ##all, they were contemporary narratives from a time which had, by ##pour standards, a primitive world view. His conclusion was that, ##while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to ##say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the ##Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in ##the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known ##what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored ##it)? ## So in short the writer (or writers) of Quran decided to stay away from science. (if you do not open your mouth, then you don't put you foot into your mouth either). But then if you say Quran does not talk much about science, then one can not make claims (like Bobby does) that you have great science in Quran. Basically I want to say that *none* of the religious texts are supposed to be scientific treatises. So I am just requesting the theists to stop making such wild claims. --- Vinayak ------------------------------------------------------- vinayak dutt e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu standard disclaimers apply ------------------------------------------------------- " 8153,9,"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) Subject: Re: So Far , So Good (THE RED SOX) Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY Lines: 68 ec003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wizard) writes: >I have posted two new postings on the net, since I discovered how to use it, >and both times I received redicule for predicting the Red Sox as high as >Third in the AL East. Id like to hear why it is people dont think the Sox >can be as high as Third this year. Here are some of my observations: Well, had you been a bit less exuberant in both the tone and substance of your predictions, the responses would probably have been a bit more measured. Be that as it may.... >1. Roger and Frank are in vintage form, and the Sox are rresponding to them. Clemens is always in this form, and Viola isn't really performing beyond what might reasonably have been expected. How do you know that the Sox are responding to them, and not to Al Bumbry, Hobson, or (my most likely suspect) new hitting coach Mike Easler? I certainly am more likely to give Easler credit for Mo Vaughhn's hot start than Clemens or Viola. >2. Greenwell is hitting as he did before his injuries. This was the optimistic scenario, but not unreasonably so. He hasn't shown much power yet, though. >3. Dawson is providing the leadership and some hitting they need from him. How can you tell that Dawson is providing the leadership? Perhaps it's Calderon? Perhaps it's Clemens and Viola? Maybe Hobson is finally showing those people skills he was supposed to have when they hired him. Or maybe it's all a myth. And Dawson has been hitting reasonably well, but not as well as Greenwell, Vaughn, Cooper, or Fletcher. >4. Russell is finishing well. In three games. Why don't we look at this one again in, say, July? >5. Fletcher is hitting well as a leadoff hitter. A bit better than could reasonably have been expected. But don't forget that Zupcic looked like Wade Boggs lite for about 75 AB's last year. Beware of small sample sizes. Still, if Fletcher hits as well as he did last year he'd be a great improvement over any Sox leadoff hitter from last year. Be aware that his career numbers seem to indicate that he puts up good numbers as long as he doesn't have to make more than 300 AB or so in a year. >6. Cooper is hitting well (I think he'll be better then Boggs in the field >and just as good at the plate) Ummm...sorry, no. I can buy the ""in the field"" part, and I think he'll be better at the plate than the 1992 Boggs, but in general Cooper, while he'll be a pretty good hitter, couldn't carry Boggs' jockstrap. With a little luck, he could be the fourth or fifth best 3B in the AL (Martinez, Boggs, Ventura, and Palmer will all be better). >If the sox Pitch like last year (they have a better pitchiong staff, now) >and hit like they are so far, they coiuld run away with thee division. but >since I think that their hitting and pitching may not be up to the challenge >of running away with the division, I think that they win be over .500 and at >least Third if not Second or First. See, here is where you make that quick left turn off into the aether. .500 is plausible, third is not unlikely, but phrases like ""could run away with the division"" are likely to get you a visit from the men in the white coats. It's not really clear that their staff is better than last year. If Russell does well, Darwin doesn't go on the DL, and Hesketh doesn't pitch just barely well enough to avoid losing his spot in the rotation, they could be better. On the other hand, if Hesketh pitches miserably and they're too stupid to move him to the pen and bring up Conroy or somebody, Fossas continues to pitch dismally but they keep giving him innings becasue he's a lefty, and Russell explodes they could be pretty bad. Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh. - Mark Twain " 8154,15,"From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 28 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: > >This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what >is God's will for his family without consulting his wife. God reveals >His will to both the husband and the wife. There needs to be some >degree of mutuality in decision making. Even those whose understanding >of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the >husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family. >One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband >and to the husband through the wife. > > >Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org I agree. God makes the husband the head of the house. But he surely can't do it alone. He needs the help of his beloved wife whom the Lord gave him. At least that's how it is in my house. I thank God for the beautiful woman He has brought into my life. I couldn't lead without the help of my wonderful wife. -- John Emery ""I will praise you, O Lord my God, with all my heart; emery@tc.fluke.COM I will glorify your name forever. For great is your love toward me; you have delivered me from the depths of the grave."" (Psalm 86:12-13) " 8155,13,"From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi or Deantha Menon) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: beagle.colorado.edu nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: >[reply to rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver)] > >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an overall >>right-handedness in the population? I mean do most people require less >>lens corrections for the one eye than the other? If so, what kinds of >>percentages can be attached to this? Thanks. > >There is an ""eyedness"" analogous to handedness but it has nothing to do >with refractive error. To see whether you are right or left eyed, roll >up a sheet of paper into a tube and hold it up to either eye like a >telescope. The eye that you feel more comfortable putting it up to is >your dominant eye. Refractive error is often different in the two eyes >but has no correlation with handedness. > >David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI >This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher >must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell What do you mean ""more comfortable putting it up to."" That seems a bit hard to evaluate. At least for me it is. Stare straight Point with both hands together and clasp so that only the pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about eight feet away. First stare at the spot with both eyes open. Now close your left eye. Now open your left eye. Now close your right eye. now open your right eye. If the image jumped more when you closed your right eye, you are right eye dominant. If the image jumped more when you closed your left eye, you are left eye dominant. Deantha " 8156,6,"From: donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM (Don Walker) Subject: Items for SALE Article-I.D.: male.1ps3s4$6g Reply-To: donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM Distribution: world Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: dswalker.ebay.sun.com ITEMS FOR SALE 1. Howard Miller Clock. It chimes like a grandfather clock. $250 2. Painting- A Tiger in the snow. It is a beautiful painting, the tiger looks like it can jump off of the canvas and get you. $200 3. Mens Diamond Ring, size 10 - $500 a. 3 rows of diamonds b. 18k gold Call or email me. Donald Walker hm 408-263-3709 wk 408-276-3618 " 8157,5,"From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: interface to access separate appl. Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <9304121644.AA27256@expo.lcs.mit.edu> DBOHDAL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM writes: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes: > >I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting >at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and >since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up >after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be >broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted >by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those >if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. According to this morning's Post-Gazette: The Pens will be carried by KDKA-Radio(1020 am), unless the Pirates are playing. When the Pirates play, the games will be carried by WDVE(102.5 fm). WDVE will carry 12 games, starting with tonight's game. In fact, after this season, KDKA will no longer be the flagship station for the Pens. The Penguins and KBL have struck a new deal regarding the TV and radio rights to the games. It seems more than likely that WDVE will be the flagship radio station next season. KBL will carry 62 games on tv, with 17 of the games to be simulcast on KDKA-TV. The remaining 22 games, as well as some of the early round playoff games, will be available by ""subscription tv"" only. To receive the games, you'll have to pay a one time hook up fee, and then a monthly fee of $11-12 dollars. Also, under the new deal, there will no longer be radio/tv simulcasts. There will be a TV broadcast team, and a radio broadcast team. No word on who the announcers will be. Mike Lange and Paul Steigerwald are both under contract with KDKA, but their contracts expire at the end of this season. KBL President Bill Craig said he'd like to hire Lange and Steigerwald. Lori Contact for the Penguins lli+@cs.cmu.edu " 8159,1,"From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) Subject: Re: ""Fake"" virtual reality Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Mike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo) writes: >The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the >""Virtual Reality Clothing Company"" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As >far as I can tell it's just another ""chic"" clothes spot. Although it would be >interesting if they were selling ""virtual clothing"".... >E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get >some promotional lit. I understand there have been a couple of raves in LA billing themselves as ""Virtual Reality"" parties. What I hear they do is project .GIF images around on the walls, as well as run animations through a Newtek Toaster. Seems like we need to adopt the term Really Virtual Reality or something, except for the non-immersive stuff which is Virtually Really Virtual Reality. etc. >MP >(8^)- ___Samuel___ -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. " 8160,1,"From: dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) Subject: need a viewer for gl files Organization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hi, the subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)? Thanks Dominik " 8161,12,"From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Re: HELP_WITH_TRACKING_DEVICE Summary: underground and underwater wireless methods Keywords: Rogers, Tesla, Hertz, underground, underwater, wireless, radio Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 36 In article <00969FBA.E640FF10@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> mcdonald@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU writes: >[...] >There are a variety of water-proof housings I could use but the real meat >of the problem is the electronics...hence this posting. What kind of >transmission would be reliable underwater, in murky or even night-time >conditions? I'm not sure if sound is feasible given the distortion under- >water...obviously direction would have to be accurate but range could be >relatively short (I imagine 2 or 3 hundred yards would be more than enough) > >Jim McDonald Refer to patents by JAMES HARRIS ROGERS: 958,829; 1,220,005; 1,322,622; 1,349,103; 1,315,862; 1,349,104; 1,303,729; 1,303,730; 1,316,188 He details methods of underground and underwater wireless communications. For a review, refer to _Electrical_Experimenter_, March 1919 and June 1919. Rogers' methods were used extensively during the World War, and was unclassified after the war. Supposedly, the government rethought this soon after, and Rogers was convieniently forgotten. The bottom line is that all antennas that are grounded send HALF of their signal THRU the ground. The half that travels thru space is quickly dissapated (by the square of the distance), but that which travels thru the ground does not disapate at all. Furthermore, the published data showed that when noise drowned out regular reception, the underground antennas would recieve virtually noise-free. IF you find this hard to believe, then refer to the work of the man who INVENTED wireless: Tesla. Tesla confirmed that Rogers' methods were correct, while Hertzian wave theory was completely ""abberant"". ---- ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes."" ---- " 8162,14,"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 18 In article <1993Mar31.191658.9836@mksol.dseg.ti.com: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: :Just a bit off, Phil. We don't reprocess nuclear fuel because what :you get from the reprocessing plant is bomb-grade plutonium. It is :also cheaper, given current prices of things, to simply fabricate new :fuel rods rather than reprocess the old ones, creating potentially :dangerous materials (from a national security point of view) and then :fabricate that back into fuel rods. Fabricating with reprocessed plutonium may result in something that may go kind of boom, but its hardly decent bomb grade plutonium. If you want bomb grade plutonium use a research reactor, not a power reactor. But if you want a bomb, don't use plutonium, use uranium. -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now. ""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG " 8163,14,"From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: NASP Distribution: sci Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 39 I have before me a pertinent report from the United States General Accounting Office: National Aero-Space Plane: Restructuring Future Research and Development Efforts December 1992 Report number GAO/NSIAD-93-71 In the back it lists the following related reports: NASP: Key Issues Facing the Program (31 Mar 92) GAO/T-NSIAD-92-26 Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Japan and Australia (4 Oct 91) GAO/NSIAD-92-5 Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Europe (25 July 91) GAO/NSIAD-91-194 Aerospace Technology: Technical Data and Information on Foreign Test Facilities (22 Jun 90) GAO/NSIAD-90-71FS Investment in Foreign Aerospace Vehicle Research and Technological Development Efforts (2 Aug 89) GAO/T-NSIAD-89-43 NASP: A Technology Development and Demonstration Program to Build the X-30 (27 Apr 88) GAO/NSIAD-88-122 On the inside back cover, under ""Ordering Information"" it says ""The first copy of each GAO report is free. . . . Orders may also be placed by calling (202)275-6241 "" Dani -- Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. " 8164,14,"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 10 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > Keesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....? I gues it is Keesler. The others do not ring the bell but they might be involved as well. Sometime ago Keesler was here at Langley teaching a course on space debris and, if my memory does not fai,l I think there was even a reference to a book on the subject. C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon " 8165,11,"From: jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) Subject: Overreacting (was Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more) Nntp-Posting-Host: debra.dgbt.doc.ca Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa Distribution: na Lines: 36 In this giant bally-ho over this Clipper chip I noticed a rather disturbing trend in some of the E-mail and posts I've tossing back and forth. Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this. The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot? In a new Civil War? Everybody is jumping up and down and screaming about it, and I'm worried that people are going to reach for their hammers and rifles before their pens and paper. Can people work within the system before trying to break it? Examine your history books, and find out how many armed revolutions led to Democratic (or Democratic style) governments. I think you'll only find one in over five thousand years of written history. That's not very good odds. Somebody once said something like: ""Armed Violence is meant only to be used in response to an armed attack. It is not meant to be used in agression. This is the difference between self-defence and murder."" Let's try to avoid killing things, eh? There's enough blood shed in the world, without adding a couple of riots, Civil Wars, etc. I'm probably overreacting. But what I've read scared me a lot. I don't want my children growing up in a War Zone. -- Jerry Han-CRC-DOC-Div. of Behavioural Research-""jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca"" ///////////// These are my opinions, and my opinions only. \\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\ A proud and frozen member of the Mighty Warriors Band //////// ""Memories of those I've left behind, still ringing in my ears.""-Genesis- " 8166,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: George Washington University Lines: 15 > >I downloaded the CompuServe GIF of the month. A raytraced image of >a golf ball next to a hole. Very nice, 640x480x256 bitmap, easily >converted to a Windows BMP. If anyone wants, I could upload a copy >on Cica... > Please do...and let us know specifics. (lest I'm the only one on this). Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) " 8167,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions Keywords: questions Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.041810.17295 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 88 In article <1993Apr5.203719@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: > > I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend: > > model wgt hp > Stealth 3086 164 > Stealth ES 3186 222 > Stealth RT 3373 222 > Stealth RT TT 3803 300 > > Okay, I'll take ""their"" word for it. These arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It really angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had no clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first told you that your figures were implausible? > > >> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is >> rated at 205. 222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang > > Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford > changed its testing procedures. Under the older procedures, it still > rates closer to 225 hp. That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more. > I'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that conclusion from the above data. > >> Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D > > Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams. And that's probably where you got No, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in 8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is *faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to C+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures before posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out twice with *your own* figures. > that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth. > > >>> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue. Strange that you claim to have that You really should have checked. >> >> Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not >> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp, >> automatic. > > For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver *2* > without posting any numbers. Why not? Because they prove me right and you > ain't got the guts to admit it? Yeah, thought so. > If you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but: Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it? Do you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn will run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your 222hp sports car is so easily beaten. A Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers), has less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive, just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp went to, its a mystery to me. >> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car. >> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and >> report please. > > No, I'm going to play your game - > > No way, Sentra's are SLOW! I took a test drive and it took > 21.7 to go 0-50! Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors I guess you drove a 5 speed and couldn't shift/ Craig " 8168,14,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: How do they ignite the SSME? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 21 on Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 12:38:50 GMT, Paul Dietz writes: /in essence, holding a match under the nozzle, is just *nuts*. One /thing you absolutely must do in such an engine is to guarantee that /the propellants ignite as soon as they mix, within milliseconds. To /do otherwise is to fill your engine with a high explosive mixture /which, when it finally does ignite, blows everything to hell. Definitely! In one of the reports of an early test conducted by Rocketdyne at their Santa Susanna Field Lab (""the Hill"" above the San Fernando and Simi Valleys), the result of a hung start was described as ""structural failure"" of the combustion chamber. The inspection picture showed pumps with nothing below , the CC had vaporized! This was described in a class I took as a ""typical engineering understatement"" :-) Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics ""Man will not fly for fifty years"": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901 " 8169,9,"From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) Subject: Kansas City e-mail contact Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 11 Would the person who is running the e-mail list for KANSAS CITY Royals please e-mail details regarding mailing list. If you on the list and know the info please send me info as well. Please e-mail as I don't have time always to read this group John -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John_Carson@MINDLINK.BC.CA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> D.John Carson J & H Concepts (604)589-5118 << >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< " 8170,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >Dryden flew the first digital fly by wire aircraft in the 70s. No >mechnaical or analog backup, to show you how confident we were. Confident, or merely crazed? That desert sun :-) >successful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both >fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.) > Gee, I thought the X-15 was Cable controlled. Didn't one of them have a total electrical failure in flight? Was there machanical backup systems? | |The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using |them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other |hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance |to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base |can't do. | What do you mean? Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh joints? You'll have to enlighten us in the hinterlands. pat " 8171,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 33 In <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace writes: >>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!! >>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge... >>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net >>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he >>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in! >>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs! >>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie ! >I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption >would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the >net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't >conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion... It seemed pretty conclusive to me. The puck clearly hit the crossbar and then came down on the line. And the announcers, admittedly homers, kept harping about how they ""must have had a different view upstairs"" because it was obvious to them, and, I would have thought, to anyone who saw the replay, that the puck didn't go in. The referee originally signalled no goal but the video replay ""judges"" initiated contact with the referee to claim that a goal was in fact scored. This, to me, is unheard of. Seeing stuff like this happen gives me a bad feeling about the Leaf chances this year. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 8172,6,"From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett) Subject: Wanted original Shanghai for PC Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.153350.28573 Distribution: na Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com I am looking for shanghai, solitaire game with mahjongg tiles for PC's. if you have a copy laying around, send email to: richg@sequent.com thanks, -- OOo O Rich Garrett O oO richg@sequent.com o WORK (503) 578-3822 _____ o o " 8173,5,"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) Subject: Any recent information on Frescoe? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32 Does anyone know of any recent information on the Frescoe work being done by the Consortium? I've seen the short description that was published in The X Resource, but am looking for something with a bit more depth to it. " 8174,2,"From: jls@antares. (Jon Sweet) Subject: Re: X Windows for windows Organization: LESC/NASA/LaRC Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: jls@antares. NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.larc.nasa.gov PC-Xview from NCD, HCL-eXceed from Hummingbird Software! ================================================================ _| _/ _/ _/_/_/ _| All opinions expressed are _| _| _/ _/ _/ _| my own because nobody else _| _| _/ _/ _/_/_/ _| wants them! _| _| _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _| jls@antares.larc.nasa.gov _| _| _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _| Jon L. Sweet _| ================================================================ " 8175,5,From: lungtt@gus.ecn.purdue.edu (Terence T. Lung) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 6 I hear George Bush (remember him?) will receive an honors degree from some Kuwaiti University for contributing to certain Kuwaiti interests not too long ago. Do you think it would add much to his resume? ;-) 8176,14,"From: nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) Subject: COMET...when did/will she launch? Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. Lines: 12 COMET (Commercial Experiment Transport) is to launch from Wallops Island Virginia and orbit Earth for about 30 days. It is scheduled to come down in the Utah Test & Training Range, west of Salt Lake City, Utah. I saw a message in this group toward the end of March that it was to launch on March 27. Does anyone know if it launched on that day, or if not, when it is scheduled to launch and/or when it will come down. I would also be interested in what kind(s) of payload(s) are onboard. Thanks for your help. Norman Anderson nanderso@endor.sim.es.com " 8177,1,"From: myless@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Myles Strous) Subject: J.C.Jensen's bitmap code Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia Lines: 18 Greetings all. According to a FAQ I read, on 30 July 1992, Joshua C. Jensen posted an article on bitmap manipulation (specifically, scaling and perspective) to the newsgroup rec.games.programmer. (article 7716) The article included source code in Turbo Pascal with inline assembly language. I have been unable to find an archive for this newsgroup, or a current email address for Joshua C. Jensen. If anyone has the above details, or a copy of the code, could they please let me know. Many thanks. Yours gratefully, etc. Myles. -- Myles Strous | Email: myles.strous@lib.monash.edu.au raytracing fan | Phone: +61.51.226536 ""Got the same urgent grasp of reality as a cardboard cut-out. Proud to have him on the team."" Archchancellor Mustrum Ridcully, in Reaper Man by Terry Pratchett " 8178,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: BaseballIsDead Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 10 scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes: >Forget it. Word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about >a done deal. It has to be decided soon since negotiations with the >networks also have to begin soon. Preliminary negotiations started already, I believe. Though the word is that they are going slooooooooooooooooooooooowly. Greg " 8179,1,"From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Subject: Re: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?)) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 90 In <1qjrec$qem@network.ucsd.edu> spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes: | What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that | we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the | Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck. It should have been made fairly clear that the *most* Crimson would ever get was a 150 (75 old style) MHz CPU upgrade. Certainly this was mentioned on comp.sys.sgi on more than one occasion as being likely. If our sales folks were saying otherwise, they were either confused, or less than honest/ethical, or somebody further up the chain inside SGI was misleading them. | I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a | previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around | for a while, rather than being flushed. There were 4 versions (20, 25, 30, 35), although admittedly the 30 came out at the same time as the 35, over a period of 2 1/2 years. The chassis simply couldn't be pushed any further. I'd say 4 years was a pretty good lifespan, myself, for a system design in this day and age. Getting the 35 to work caused a lot of gray hairs in both the hardware and product design groups; we would have been out of our minds to push it further, and I *know* that was made clear, almost from the day the 35 started shipping. We had one last kicker in the form of the Elan graphics, which made 3 graphics versions over its lifespan, which I also think is pretty good. | Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to | keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself | pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books | just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of | getting boned in the process. Please, by all means send a complaint letter through SGI support or sales on your concerns. There should be no reason for sales folks to misrepresent future upgrades to customers (sure, sometimes there will be confusion for a while, over whether an upgrade will be available, but that shouldn't last too long, and doesn't seem to be what you are referring to). Yes, the sales folks *do* get bonus's at the end of some (all?) quarters, but that is pretty common industry wide, and sometimes that can result in good deals for customers (sometimes it probably pushes folks into systems that aren't what they need, I'm sure, but nobody is *forcing* you to buy at end of quarter, after all...) | Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we | aren't entitled to a ""peek under the covers"" as the Big Kids (NASA, | for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs They don't get all that long a lead time either; although certainly they get presentations on possible new products, and their opinions may well influence the end product, but that also is life in the industry. We can't design systems that meet just their needs, or we won't sell too many systems, after all (which is not to say that we don't have some niche products, like Reality Engine). | and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers | every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis. | The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the | entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That | means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I | have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one | previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other | vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years. | And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I | could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're | supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars). But surely you don't expect a system you buy now for a five year period to be constantly upgradable over that entire five year period? That's a rather unreasonable expectation, in my experience (with workstations/microcomputers). Supported, and parts available, yes, but certainly not upgradable to the latest and greatest! | Now you'll have to pardon me while I go off and hiss and fume in a | corner somewhere and think dark, libelous thoughts. I missed your first posting, but as I say, by all means share your frustation with somebody at a level inside SGI where it might have an effect (not immediate, I'm sure, but complaints aren't going to be ignored, and *may* affect future plans, if we hear similar things from more than one person/site). All of the above is, as usual, my personal opinion, not SGI's. -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com PS: I start my sabbatical 29 May, ask those questions now ;) " 8180,5,"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 51 In article <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: > I just implemented this and it seems I can just about achieve the display > rates (20 400x400x8 frames / sec on IPX) that I get with Sunview, though > it's a bit ""choppy"" at times. Also, loading the data, making an XImage, > then XPut'ing it into a pixmap is a bit cumbersome, so the animation is > slower to load than with Sunview. Is there a better way to load in the > data? > > rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: > > If you need speed, and your client can run on the same host as the X server, > > you should use the shared memory extension to the sample X server (MIT-SHM). > > xdpyinfo will tell you if your server has this extension. This is certainly > > available with the sample MIT X server running under SunOS. > > A word of warning: make sure your kernel is configured to support shared > > memory. And another word of warning: OpenWindows is slower than the MIT > > server. > > I have written an imaging tool (using XView for the GUI, by the way) which > > yields over 10 frames per second for 512*512*8 bit images, running on a Sparc > > IPC (half the cpu grunt of an IPX). This has proved quite sufficient for > > animations. > > > > Regards, > > > > Richard Gooch.... > > Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu, > Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some > documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server- > resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code > mentioned above... > > Thanks for the help so far. If I get something decent put together, I'll > definitely post it to the Net. > The MIT tapes come with documentation written by Keith Packard on the Shared Memory Extension to X. Look in: mit/doc/extensions/mit-shm.ms I found this invaluble. Unfortunately, there is a bit of work to set up the shared memory segments, making an XImage from it, etc. Also, there is an extension query to determine if the server supports it, but you still need to test if the server is running on the same host and if shared memory is enabled in the kernel. I have written layers of convience routines which make all this transparent. As for the XView code, well, I doubt that would be considered interesting. The interesting stuff is done in a C object library. People interested in this code can Email me. Regards, Richard Gooch, rgooch@atnf.csiro.au " 8181,18,"From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Re: Celebrate Liberty! 1993 X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 This is as bad as the ""Did You Know"" Japan bashing of 2 weeks ago. After finding this set of postings for the third time I hope no one shows up. I don't know why fools insist on posting to every group. It just agrevates people. -- Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | " 8182,6,"From: formula@athena.mit.edu (Ronald R. Duff Jr.) Subject: New 3M (and used) 8"" floppy disks for sale Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 39 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: vongole.mit.edu I have some brand-new shrinkwrapped boxes of 8"" floppy disks that I would like to sell. They are all 3M disks: 40 (4 boxes of 10) SS/SD 8"" floppy disks 60 (6 boxes of 10) DS/DD, W/WP 8"" floppy disks Misco is selling the SS/SD 3M disks for 25.90 for a box of ten and they are selling the DS/DD 3M disks for 31.90 for a box of ten. I will take the best offer I can get for the disks (as many boxes as you want). I also have a quantity of 8"" floppy disks that some people were getting rid of, probably due to an upgrade to a newer drive system. All the disks are used and most have labels on them, but they all appear to be in good physical shape. However, I make no guarantees of the quality of these disks. Here are the statistics: Quantity Make Type 10 3M Single side/Double density,soft sector,128 bytes/record 66 Memorex Single side/Double density,soft sector,128 bytes/record I will accept the best offer I receive for the disks and I'm willing to sell them off in different amounts, the minimum being a box of ten (if I get no offers on these disks I would considering throwing them in with the new disks I'm selling above). I also have a head-cleaning kit for 8"" disk drives for which I will take the best offer I can get. All sales are final. I would prefer to ship COD and add the shipping costs onto the total order cost. Please send E-mail to formula@athena.mit.edu if interested. -- Address: Ronald R. Duff Jr. Phone: (508)842-2293 (Home) 29 Lamplighter Drive (617)253-1652 (Work)(MIT room 6-332) Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Internet: formula@athena.mit.edu " 8183,12,"From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Nntp-Posting-Host: betelgeux.canterbury.ac.nz Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand Lines: 23 jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes: > My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they > need a lot of power? etc., etc. he ones I have seen are all fluorescent tubes. Maybe you could find a small tube to go in one of those hand-held fluoro lanterns? > One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV > light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone > know what he was referring to? Blue lights. Ultra-violet (by definition?) goes from the blue end of the spectrum that people see to the radio spectrum (X-rays, cosmic rays etc). possibly you could get light at the fringe of visibility (which people with false eye-lenses can see easily, since it's your lenses that soak up most of the UV), however since most people use UV to get other things to `glow', and the near-blue is less energetic, it would probably not work as well, if it worked at all. (lecture on basic atomic physics fits in here, about electron transitions (quantum leaps) and stuff. moz " 8184,19,"From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 29 Distribution: world <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu In-reply-to: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 20:31:11 GMT In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > Kent: > You say that > >There are about 4-10 competing Rosicrucian orders existing today, ^^^^^^^^^ > >most of them are spin-offs from OTO and other competing organizations > >from the 19th century France/Germany. Maybe I should write an article > Please don't! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ huh? it might be interesting. he is relating the story as I have heard it, btw. > >about all this, I spent some time investigating these organizations > >and their conceptual world view systems. > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have > probably spent more time than you doing the same. > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the > case. huh? care to back that up? josh " 8185,5,"From: paul@def.bae.co.uk (Paul Byrne) Subject: imake - help needed Reply-To: paul@def.bae.co.uk Organization: British Aerospace (Defence) Ltd. Lines: 19 Hi Can someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN OPENWINDOWS enviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not find any clues. Please respons via e-mail..... Thanks Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Byrne British Aerospace Defence Ltd Dynamics Division email Paul.Byrne@def.bae.co.uk FPC 450 P.O.Box 5, Filton Phone 0272 316086 Bristol, BS12 7QW " 8186,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Thumbs WAY WAY WAY DOWN to ESPN Keywords: Baseball, goddamn Baseball Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 36 cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes: >Tuesday, and the isles/caps game is going into overtime. >what does ESPN do..... > >Tom Mees says, ""we are obligated to bring you baseball"" We're probably stuck, as Mike Burger pointed out that the baseball deal was made far in advance of the NHL contract. WABC did the same thing; they were thankful that the Devils were wiped out by 9:30, because they had to switch over to Yankees baseball. The proof of the reasons for this is left to the reader ... It's too bad, but I wonder if ESPN is stuck with other US local team coverage for their alternate games? We got NESN's coverage of the Bruins-Sabres with the Boston homers ... they were awful!!! I've read that Derek Sanderson is the colour analyst ... I wonder if he spent his early years after hockey as an intern at PRAVDA before landing this job? *Everything* had to be twisted into something good to say about the Bruin(s) involved ... not even Bill Wirtz's shills on SC Chicago (Pat Foley, Dale Tallon) were this bad. And just to be fair, SC used to take their feed from ESN (Empire Sports Network), the Sabre homers and they were horrible too ... but they were spacy. From the CNN highlights, I hear Chris Cuthbert's voice from the CBC coverage of the Habs-Nords series. Too bad that we couldn't get it on ESPN, with all due respect to the Sabres and the Bruins. Mike Emrick is substituting on the Devils SCNY team for Gary Thorne. Mike was the original Devils TV play-by-play announcer, by the way. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 8187,9,"From: machman@hardy.u.washington.edu (The Machman) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Organization: University of Washington Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: >I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have >for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he [ etc. ] >Vizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in >baseball. > A dishard Cub fan Hey, he's the only manager so far to lead the Seattle Mariners to a winning season, out of, what, fifteen? Give him some credit for that. -- dave -- /''' The Machman machman@u.washington.edu david c carroll c-OO \ ""Big Science. Hallelujah"" - " 8188,15,"From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Subject: Does 'Just/justifiable War' exist? Organization: University of Otago Lines: 107 Hi there netters, I have a question I would very much like to see some discussion on: Is there such a thing as a 'justifible' war? What I would love to see it some basis from scripture for either: ""All war is wrong"", or ""Some war is justifiable"". To get things started I would like to outline why I am asking the question. In my high school days I had been quite involved in the the New Zealand Cadet Forces (This is a bit like ROTC from what I understand of it, but with a lot more emphasis on fun than military career training). Through this I became extremely enamoured of flying, have become involved in the sport of gliding, and have a great interest in military aviation hardware as the very best a 'real' flyer could ask for. My favourite computer games are the accurate simulations of military aircraft, both past and present. I became a Christian about 10 years ago, and at the time rejected all military activity as immoral. For me, all war was in complete opposition to God's commandments to love one another, especially one's enemies. During the war in Iraq, I found myself with great excitement listening to the reports of the effectiveness of the the attacks using the aviation technology I so admire - The F117A 'Stealh' bomber, the F14, F15 and F16 strike aircraft, etc. After the war concluded I began to really enjoy simulations based around this conflict - Great to go and bomb Saddam's bio-weapons plants in an F117A on my computer, or shoot down some of his Mig's in an F16. The simulation of the death of people was a wonderful game. I imagine the real pilots view the real thing in much the same way. One only has to look at the language used to see that the personal impact of war is ignored: A building containing people, or an aircraft flown by a pilot is simply a 'target'. Dead civilians are 'collateral damage'. These euphanisms are a way of removing the reality of war from the people whose support are necessary for the continued waging of war - One only has to look at Vietnam to see how important public opinion is. Now we see troops sponsored by the United Nations entering Somalia, and the prospect of military intervention in the Muslim/Croat/Serb conflict in the former Yugoslavia. My revulsion in particular to the siege of Sarajevo, and in the last few days of (sorry 'bout spelling) Sebrenitsa, has caused me to rethink where I stand on 'justifiable' war. I will list several wars in the last 50 years I can look at each, and say - Yes this may have been justifible, this may not. These are simply my gut reactions to each - In many cases with the benefit of the impartiality history brings. Let me go through a few and state some of my reasons for my reaction - I am not a historian, so excuse any historical blunders, I am working from popular history as it is known in New Zealand. 1. The Second World War - Murder of Jews - Hitler had to be stopped. - Massive civilian casualties on both sides - Dresden, Hiroshima/Nagasaki - Probably justifiable. 2. Korean war - Political expansionism by North Korea, basically communism vs. capitalism. - Probably not justifiable. 3. Vietnam - As above, worsened by US involvement. 4. Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia. - Genocide by Khmer Rouge. - Probably justifiable. 5. Iraq (Desert Storm) - Political expansionism, threat to world oil supply - Other factors such as genocide. - Not sure, but probably justifiable 6. A future involvement in Bosnia - Genocide - so called 'Ethnic Cleansing' - Emotive - much TV coverage of atrocities and civilian casualties. - Probably justifiable 7. Possible future use of nuclear weapons - tactical or strategic, somewhere in the world by the US in response to someone else - e.g. Libya or Israel. - My feelings in this are simple - Nuclear war/weapons are abhorrent - I love the New Zealand government's stand on banning all nuclear armed or powered warships from NZ port. - Never justifiable. These are my own views, I have looked at scripture, and I am confused. I would appreciate others view, particularly those based on scripture. I *don't* want a - Naaahh, yer wrong - I think answers 8-). Thanks for your help. ========================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 Chief Programmer, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 The Black Albatross Porject, | University of Otago, | Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | athomson@otago.ac.nz Dunedin | NeXTmail Welcome New Zealand | ""God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life"" John 3:16, paraphrase ========================================================================== " 8189,18,"From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Nntp-Posting-Host: irl2 Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 61 In article <1993Apr16.131508.9518@ra.msstate.edu> fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: >kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes: >>Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: >>: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the >>: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, >>: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior >>: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us >>: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and >>: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. >>: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. >>: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. > >I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this. He seems >to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well. Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would be inclined to risk any extra exposure on. > >>Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; >> >>I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. >> >>Eliminate the C-17 transport. > >Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, very few >airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the >answer. What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane >from scatch? It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls >again, for it to be scrapped. THe other option is to try to extend >the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old. If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. > >>Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. >>Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. > >It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it. We especially don't need a B-2. THe >SSN-21, I know litttle about. > Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf. The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class. Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get Seawolf subs whether we need them or not. In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships. The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a pork happy Congress. -- Marc Mueller " 8190,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 39 To recapitulate a bit: - The essence of marriage is two people's commitment to each other. - If two people claim to be married ""in their hearts"" but are not willing to have the marriage recognized by church and state, that's prima facie evidence that the commitment isn't really there. - There are obvious situations in which Christian marriage is possible without a civil or church wedding: if you're stranded on a desert island, or if your state forbids the marriage for an unjust reason (e.g., laws against interracial marriage). - The legal concept of ""common-law marriage"" is meant to ensure that the state will recognize marriages that did not start out with the usual ceremony and record-keeping. - Pastorally, I'm concerned that people should not use ""being married in God's eyes"" as an excuse for living together without a formal wedding. One has a duty to have one's marriage properly recorded and witnessed. - But there are also people who have been through a wedding ceremony without making a genuine commitment, and therefore are not married in God's eyes. Right? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< [I think the last statement is dangerous. I believe as long as someone has formally undertaken the responsibility of marriage, they have a moral obligation, even if their intention was not right. Other people are involved in the marriage covenant. If they believed in good faith that a marriage occurred, then I think there are obligations created to them. Of course there are situations where intent can cause a marriage not to exist. The classic example is when it's done as part of a play. But these are exceptions, and should be clear to all parties. --clh] " 8191,2,"From: rlister@cti.com (Russell Lister) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Comprehensive Technologies Int., Inc. Lines: 49 ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? >Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! I had the same problem. At first, I thought it was the video driver and made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most evident at SVGA resolution modes. It didn't help and after a bit of experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable. My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications. On the guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it. That solved the problem. So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer one. >--- >Sean Eckton >Computer Support Representative >College of Fine Arts and Communications >D-406 HFAC >Brigham Young University >Provo, UT 84602 >(801)378-3292 >hfac_csr@byu.edu >ecktons@ucs.byu.edu -- signoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Russ Lister rlister@cti.com -or- {well connected systen}!uunet!cti1!rlister Comprehensive Technologies Int'l Inc., Arlington, VA ============================================================================== " 8192,18,"From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 16 Distribution: tx NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr15.162802.20933@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) writes: > >The question, I think, then becomes: Do we, the general public, need the train? > >I certainly do not, nor will I ever, need this train in Lubbock, Texas. With >the inexpensive air travel provided between Dallas and Houston, I don't think >people in Dallas or Houston need it either. I totally agree. Really, the only people this is going to benefit, are those who live in the cities where the train stops. Who wants to drive to the train station from X (Lubbock for example)? It's probably farther to drive to the train station than it is to the nearest national airport. I really can't see spending 5.7 billion on a system that only three cities will benefit from. " 8193,8,"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: ""Beer"" unto bicyclists Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil In article <31MAR199308594057@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) wrote: > > In article , > tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes... > >mxcrew@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (The MX-Crew) wrote: > >> just an information (no flame war please): Budweiser is a beer from the > >> old CSFR (nowadays ?Tschechien? [i just know the german word]). > > >Czechoslovakia. Budweiser Budwar (pronounced bud-var). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Not any more, a short while ago (Jan 1st?) it split into The Czech > Republic and Slovakia. Actually, I think for a couple of years its official > name was ""The Czech and Slovak Republics"". Sheesh! Don't you guys get CNN?? CNN=YuppieTV tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 " 8194,11,"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: Clipper will corrupt cops (was WH proposal from Police point of view) Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 93 Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu In article 735230663@fbihh, bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes: >strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >> dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the >> effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading >> between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one >> respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and >> local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally. > >Instead of reading between the lines, try to think a little bit. OK, >if that's way too difficult to you, here are some hints. > >Indeed, the new proposal imposes some additional burocratic burden on >the local police, if they badly want to tape the magic cookie recipie >that your mom is telling you on the phone. So, guess what they will >do? Propose that the new technology is removed? Or implement some >""facilitations""? Of course, you won't want to wait until they get the >approval from two different agencies to decrypt the conversation >between two child molesters, because meanwhile those two child >molesters might be conspiring about molesting your child, right? So, >there should be some way for them to get access to those keys >-quickly-, right? Like, they could have a copy of the database, and >worry about a warrant later... I perhaps should have been clearer and more concise in my post, but that's what I get from posting at 1 am... The central point I made is that local/state police agencies attempting to play by the rules and get warrants, legit escrowed keys, etc., may find themselves at the mercy of bureaucratic inertia and agency infighting at the federal level. I disagree that this would assist civil liberties by hobbling the cowboy cops. It would be a strong incentive, as Vesselin points out, for more police agencies to ""go rogue"" and try to get keys through more efficient (but less Constitutional) means. Notice what the release said: Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a ^^^^^^^^^^ court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. ^^^^^^^^^^^ The clear implication is that there are ""legal"" authorizations other than a court order. Just how leaky are these? (And who knows what's in those 7 pages that authorized the NSA?). There may well arise a black market of sorts _within_ police agencies, in which keys are traded. Furthermore, the police will be in an excellent position to carry out this kind of thing without being caught. They already have a communication infrastructure with secure portions. There are a few laws that I know of, that limit citizens' rights to access police communications (or use the information they get). It may be very difficult to prove police misuse -- the fact that you have such evidence may itself be evidence that YOU have broken some other law. Throw in private detectives, who have even fewer policy/constitutional restrictions. Also consider mercenaries who've ""retired"" from intelligence agencies. William Gibson must be loving it. Great story material. Don't think it'll happen? Well, consider e.g. the Michigan State Police, generally a very professional organization, which for years kept ""Red Files"" on thousands of suspected commies, knowing full well it was not consititutional. The standards of evidence were just about zero: people were in the file because they happened to park near a place where, say, a US-China People's Friendship rally was happening -- the police went around writing down license plate numbers. If you happened to be visiting a friend who lived near the meeting place, well, the state police wound up filing you as a subversive. (They were eventually found out and a court ruled against carrying on any more such nonsense. I believe thay may have had to destroy the tapes as well.) Even with well-meaning cops (and I'm sure there are many), there will be strong pressure to bend the constitutional safeguards. We don't need to assume corrupt or unbalanced officers -- it will all be in the interest of enforcing sensible laws, saving lives, and protecting property. Compromises will be made by well-meaning officers, facing what (to them) will be a moral dilemma. Clipper will make criminals out of cops. Do we want to do this to our police forces? +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ " 8195,17,"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES > Ermenistan kasiniyor... Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets into it : Armenia is getting itchy. Esin. " 8196,17,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Mossad unchecked - Girls faint in masse in Egypt Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 31 In <1993Apr13.145325.15806@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >In article , eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) writes: >|> >|> I just heard it on the radio: CKNW in Vancouver, BC. Girls are fainting in >|> masse in Egypt. Nobody knows why, but the movement started in Nothern Egypt >|> and spread throught all Egypt. >|> >|> >|> I think that the MOSSAD, after the ""obvious"" involvement in WTC bombing, >|> tries to reestablish its reputation. What better way than making Egyptian >|> schhol-girls go bezerk. >|> >|> Maybe Hassan will share the light on this. >I am happy to annouce TII's second positive identifiaction. >Congragulations Danny. >Hasan As one who was born in Quebec and worked in Montreal, I feel I must defend the reputation of McGill University. It is a fine, old, creditable institution of higher learning. Thus, I can only assume that some under graduate student left his/her terminal on-line and the janitor has been getting access to it. REB " 8197,4,"From: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com (Kelley Boylan) Subject: Re: Screen Death: Mac Plus/512 Originator: kelleyb@kelleyb.austin.ibm.com Reply-To: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin, PowerPC Lines: 29 > I have a (very old) Mac 512k and a Mac Plus, both of which > have the same problem. > Their screens blank out, sometimes after a minor physical jolt > (such as inserting a floppy in the internal drive), sometimes > all by themselves (computer left to itself just goes blank). > > I have replaced the wires connecting the logic boards and the > video board, because it seemed at first that jiggling the wires > made the screen come back on. This worked for a while, but the > blanking out has returned. > > Can I do anything? Do I need a new power supply? A new CRT? > A new computer? I had the same problem with my 512 a long time ago. Resoldering the joints on the motherboard (all of them) fixed it. Turns out that continuous heating and cooling caused annular (ring-shaped) cracks to develop in the solder, effectively cutting the video circuitry off. If you're not a solder-jockey you might want to have someone else do it -- I took mine to an electrical engineer buddy -- but it was a 20-minute job, tops. -Kelley- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Kelley Boylan, PowerPC, IBM Austin, kelleyb@austin.ibm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- I buy and pay for my own opinions " 8198,7,"From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) Subject: Re: ""ELECTRONIC"" ODOMETER Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon. Lines: 24 In article alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >If I'm not mistaken, altering the odometer is *illegal*. Furthermore, >I surmise it'll be tough to alter BMW's odometer if you got at it. >Some of the newer BMW's have electronic odometers making it even >more tamperproof. On the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the ""electronic"" odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle. These pulses are converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer. No way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage reading. It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to change as any other mechanical odometer. On the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple switch will do the job. It also will disable the speed limiter, which will enable the car to reach it's full speed. ;-) -- Alan L. Peterman (503)-684-1984 hm & work al@qiclab.scn.rain.com It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter! " 8199,8,"From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh) Subject: Guzzi 850-T tires, plus fairing question Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 59 I have a question about tires for my Guzzi. It is a '75 850-T. The tires that were on it when I just bought it are old and cracked. I do not have an owners manual for it (yet), but the tires listed in the Haynes manual are: Front, 3,50 H 18 ; Rear 4.10 H 18, and pressures recommended are 26 front and 33 rear. Oddly, the pressure for the same tire on the T-3 is listed at 29 psi instead. Anyone know the reason? As I know though, the pressure I should run at is that recommended by the manufacturer of the new tires I purchase. The real question I have is this. The old tires that are on the bike are for the front, a Metzler Touring Special, 4.10 H 18, and for the rear an Avon Roadrunner 4.70 H 18, (120/90) H 18 as marked on each tire. Both are larger than that listed in the Haynes Manual. What does the owners manual recommend, and was it common to go up one size for this bike? Also, this will be my first motorcycle with innertubes. Any comments on the various manufacturers inner tube qualities? The above sizes are inches (except for the additional mark on the current rear tire). What is the best metric match? The local BMW dealer thought 100/90 H 18 on the front and 120/90 H 18 on the back. He also happens to be very good at getting close to matching mail order prices. I am thinking of going with a Metzler ME33 Laser (possibly Comp K) on the front and ME88 on the back, both in MBS variety if possible (the longer lasting belting system). I already use the ME33 on both the Vision and FJ for the front, and like it, and I thought that with the shaft drive behavior and torque from the Guzzi that the ME88 might give more predictable back end control and sliding behavior than a ME55 might, as well as giving much better tire milage life. Any comments? A friend told me he thought that my bike had Boranni rims which are very good, but are relatively soft and have delicate sidewalls. I do not wish to mount the tires myself this first time, so aside from warning the shop to be careful, any other comments I should make? I havn't looked at the rim to check out the make yet, if it is marked. He just told me late yesterday and I havn't had a chance to check the rim type. On another note. I will remove the ugly (but in good shape....anyone want it?) Vetter fairing, and I will run without a windscreen for a while, but eventually I would like a simple rounded cafe' style quarter fairing for it. It could be fork/handlebar mounted. Any suggestions? Is there such a thing as a frame mounted quarter fairing of the cafe' style for this bike? How about lower bars/clip-ons for it? I would like to restore the bike into a good condition runner with a few modern updates, but while not being historically exactly accurate still have it reflect relatively well a representation of the cafe' style. (Yes I know to be picky, that period really predates this bike....it is just that this bike has such potential for _that_ look.) -----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company------- edw@boi.hp.com Disk Memory Division, MS475 (208)323-2174 P.O. Box 15 Boise,Idaho 83707 89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98 -----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company------- edw@boi.hp.com Disk Memory Division, MS475 (208)396-2174 P.O. Box 15 Boise,Idaho 83707 89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98 " 8200,14,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <1qn044$gq5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >I thought that under emergency conditions, the STS can >put down at any good size Airport. IF it could take a C-5 or a >747, then it can take an orbiter. You just need a VOR/TAC > >I don't know if they need ILS. DFW was designed with the STS in mind (which really mean very little). Much of their early PR material had scenes with a shuttle landing and two or three others pulled up to gates. I guess they were trying to stress how advanced the airport was. For Dallas types: Imagine the fit Grapevine and Irving would be having if the shuttle WAS landing at DFW. (For the rest, they are currently having some power struggles between the airport and surrounding cities). -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 8201,6,"From: jamull01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Joseph A. Muller) Subject: JFK autograph for sale (serious inquiries only) Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.spd.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 12 After hearing about the McGovern House story on Paul Harvey I never had any idea how much it was worth. The autograph is on a Senate Pass card and is signed 'John Kennedy.' I don't remember if it was signed 'Senator John Kennedy' or whether or not it was dated, because I haven't looked at it in quite a while. Currently it is in a safety deposit box. I would rather sell to a private collector rather then go through an auction house such as Christy's since that would tend to take away from the profit. If you (or any collector you may know) has an interest in this please send me an e-mail expressing your interest. I will see what I can do to make a scanned gif of it available to prospective buyers. " 8202,14,"From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) Subject: Ariane v.56 Mission Data Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 114 ARIANESPACE FLIGHT 56 (Flight V.56 was originally intended to carry the Hughes HS-601 series Galaxy IV satellite, but the payload was withdrawn just prior to flight.) The 56th Ariane launch is now scheduled to place the ASTRA 1C and ARSENE satellites into an improved geostationary transfer orbit (GTO), with inclination reduced to 5 degrees and apogee altitude increased by 150 km. This will be the 28th launch of an Ariane 4 and the first in the 42L configuration, with 2 liquid strap-on boosters (PAL). It will be launched from the newly refurbished Ariane launch complex ELA 2, in Kourou - French Guiana. The launch vehicle performance requirement for this mission is 3,147 kg of which 2,944 kg represents the satellite mass. The total vehicle mass at liftoff is 361,778 kg. Required Orbit Characteristics: Perigee Altitude ..... 200 km Apogee Altitude ...... 36,160 km at injection Inclination .......... 5 degrees The Ariane 42L lift-off for Flight 56 is scheduled on Thursday, April 29, 1993, as soon as possible within the following launch window: Kourou Time GMT (04/30/93) Washington, DC 21:52 - 22:50 00:52 - 01:50 20:52 - 21:50 LAUNCH VEHICLE: Ariane 42L. This is a three-stage liquid fueled launcher with two liquid fueled strap-on boosters. The first stage (L220) is built by Aerospatiale, and is powered by 4 liquid fueled Viking V engines. The second stage (L33) is built by MBB Erno and is powered by a single Viking IV engine. Both the Viking IV and V engines are manufactured by SEP. The first and second stages use a biliquid UH25/N2O4 fuel. The third stage (H10) is built by Aerospatiale, and is powered by a cryogenic H2/O2 fueled HM-7B engine built by SEP. The two strap-on boosters (PAL) are each powered by a Viking VI engine, also built by SEP, which use the same biliquid fuel as the first and second stages. The fully assembled launch vehicle stands 56 meters high on the pad. It uses the Type 01 Ariane Short payload fairing. Flight Profile: +02:21 Liquid strap-on booster jettison +03:11 First stage separation +03:18 Second stage ignition +04:10 Fairing jettison +05:21 Second stage separation +05:26 Third stage ignition +17:30 Third stage shutdown / orbit injection +19:56 ASTRA 1C separation +22:36 Cyclade adapter separation +24:26 ARSENE separation +28:47 End of Ariane mission 56 PAYLOADS: ASTRA 1C is the third spacecraft in the fleet of ""Societe Europeenne des Satellites"" to broadcast direct TV to homes all over Europe. Built by Hughes, it will be the second HS-601 launched by Ariane. Total mass at lift-off .... 2,790 kg Mass at GEO insertion ..... 1,700 kg Dry mass .................. 1,180 kg On-board power ............ 3,300 W (end of life) Nominal lifetime .......... 15 years Span of solar panels ...... 21 m On-Orbit position ......... 19.2 degrees east, over Africa. Transmission capacity: 34 channels in Ku-band, via 18 transponders. In-flight operations: Solar array deployment ............ about 6 days after lift-off First of 3 apogee motor firings ... about 40 hours after lift-off at 4th apogee ARSENE is the first spacecraft built by the European Space Industry for the benefit of the world amateur radio community. Total mass at lift-off .... 154 kg Mass at GEO insertion ..... 98 kg Dry mass .................. 97 kg On-board power ............ 42 W (end of life) Nominal lifetime .......... 3 years Spacecraft dimensions ..... 1.1m x .96m Orbital parameters ........ 20000/36000 km, 0 inclination, period 17:30. Transmission capacity: S-band: 1 transponder at 2.446 ghz VHF/UHF: 145/435 mhz LAUNCH COVERAGE: All Ariane missions are broadcast live via satellite from Kourou. Coverage begins at 30 minutes before launch and continues until all payloads have been deployed. This mission will likely be carried in the US on Galaxy 6, however it could be Galaxy 7 or another satellite. (What is the European satellite normally used for Ariane coverage?) -{ Dean Adams }- " 8203,14,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Space Activities in Tucson, AZ ? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 7 I would like to find out about space engineering employment and educational opportunities in the Tucson, Arizona area. E-mail responses appreciated. My mail feed is intermittent, so please try one or all of these addresses. Ben Muniz w(818)586-3578 MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@beach.rockwell.com or: bmuniz@a1tms1.remnet.ab.com MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com " 8204,5,"From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi) Subject: Please Ignore [Ideal Operating System (Was: DEATH BLOW TO UNIX)] Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Lines: 1 Whoops!! Wrong group. Soooooooooooooooorry folks.. " 8205,14,"From: keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 44 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) wrote: > > The major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for > more than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit. > For what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop > a new launch system that will be considerably cheaper. (Delta Clipper > might be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less > ambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.) Ah, there's the rub. And a catch-22 to boot. For the purposes of a contest, you'll probably not compete if'n you can't afford the ride to get there. And although lower priced delivery systems might be doable, without demand its doubtful that anyone will develop a new system. Course, if a low priced system existed, there might be demand... I wonder if there might be some way of structuring a contest to encourage low cost payload delivery systems. The accounting methods would probably be the hardest to work out. For example, would you allow Rockwell to 'loan' you the engines? And so forth... > Any plan for doing > sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting > money in a big way. > This depends on the how soon the new launch system comes on line. In other words, perhaps a great deal of worthwhile technology (life support, navigation, etc.) could be developed prior to a low cost launch system. You wouldn't want to use the expensive stuff forever, but I'd hate to see folks waiting to do anything until a low cost Mac, oops, I mean launch system comes on line. I guess I'd simplify this to say that 'waste' is a slippery concept. If your goal is manned lunar exploration in the next 5 years, then perhaps its not 'wasted' money. If your goal is to explore the moon for under $500 million, then you should put of this exploration for a decade or so. Craig Craig Keithley |""I don't remember, I don't recall, Apple Computer, Inc. |I got no memory of anything at all"" keithley@apple.com |Peter Gabriel, Third Album (1980) " 8206,12,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: PC games (joystick) port Article-I.D.: ozonehol.5109.442.uupcb Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc., DBA The Ozone Hole BBS Lines: 29 >Subject says it all - could someone tell me the pinout >for a PC type analogue joystick port? Joystick A: 1 +5 VDC 2 Button 1 3 X Axis 4 Ground 5 Ground 6 Y Axis 7 Button 2 8 + 5 VDC Joystick B: 9 +5 VDC 10 Button 1 11 X Axis 12 Ground 13 Y axis 14 Button 2 15 +5 VDC --- . SLMR 2.1 . Soft judges make hardened criminals. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com " 8207,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <93104.231 <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > >In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz > >>All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >>I am not really familiar enough with handguns. > >That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. > >>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to >do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; >Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the >outside.) > Excuse me but I do know what I safety is supposed to do. It's basic purpose - not to let the gun fire until you're ready. Christ, I've known that since I had my first Crosman air gun. You don't know me so don't make assumptions about what I know and don't know. I do know that the Glock has multiple safties from reports, looking at them at a gun shop, and friends who own one. >A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's >what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go >off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, >it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. > >-andy >-- From the things I have read/heard Glocks are always knocked because of the trigger safety. They are supposedly harder to learn to use properly. Every article that I have read can't be wrong about the damn thing. And don't ask me to quote my sources because I don't keep a ton of gun magazines and/or rec.guns articles laying around. Boy, you can't make a simple statement on here without someone getting right on your ass. No wonder why there are so many problems in the world. Everyone takes everything just a little too seriously. By the way, I'm not going to reply to any of this stuff anymore as someone made the good point that this discussion is getting too close to r.g (And yes I know that I had something to do with that). Jason " 8208,18,"From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Hokh'Ton) Subject: Re: race and violence Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 93 In <1993Apr13.212441.26562@gtx.com> al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) writes: >Even though this city (Phoenix) has a relatively small black >population, black people seem to be responsible for a disproportionate >amount of violent crime. yesterday, black men robbed a cafeteria, beat >the employees for no apparent reason, and shot one dead, even though >they were being cooperative. a few days ago, a car full of black men >opened fire on a car containing a young white couple and their baby, >possibly because they didn't like the way the man was driving. the >baby was slightly injured. These incidents are not even unusual. >even if a white person starts out without racial prejudice (as, after >all, we all do) and no one ""teaches"" them to be prejudiced, it's >sometimes hard to see how they can avoid becoming so, based on their >own observations and instinct for self-preservation. We always taught >our children that racial prejudice is wrong (not only bad, but also >mistaken), but how do you counteract the effect of these kinds of >incidents? >what's the answer? how can we work against racial prejudice when >incidents like this keep fanning the flames? what can we say to deny >that racial prejudice is a rational response to our environment? is >it? should we? Since the 60's, I have thought the only hope is through >integration based on ignoring race and treating each person as an >individual, but so many either preach divisiveness by emphasizing race >or validate racism by their actions. where does it lead? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ( Alan Filipski, GTX Corp, 2390 E. Camelback Road, Phoenix, AZ 85016, USA ) > ( INTERNET: al@gtx.com UUCP: uunet!gtx!al PHONE: (602)224-8742 ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan, you can start by teaching your children that the perpetrators of crimes no more represent the ""Black community"" than racist hateful Whites represent the majority culture (although there are many ethnic minorities who have fallen into the very trap that you are struggling with, and believe otherwise). The trap is the easy way out. For yourself, I think it would be a good idea to realize that the demographics related to the crimes you speak of have less to do with race, and much to do with socioeconomic status and disenfranchisement. You're going to find higher crime within *any* community comprised of *any* ethnic group or subgroup that has become dysfunctional, whatever the factors leading to that dysfunction. With ethnic minorities it is more usually than not, as I said, socioeconomic disenfranchisement. If, for example, you lived in an area where there were very few Blacks, but quite a few poor-for-generations Whites, you'd see the crime statistics reflecting the dysfunction of those White people. Would you then worry about whther your children would begin to see Whites as undesireable or whatever? The trap springs into action when our innate compunction to define ""us"" and ""other"" raises its little voice. The trap becomes dangerous when we stop to listen to that little voice and stop thinking like rational humans. It's interesting that Blacks are traditionally seen as *the* or the *most* criminal element in many of our urban areas. I don't know the racial makeup of Phoenix, so I can't speak to your situation. However, I live in San Francisco, a city that loves to tout its ""ethnic diversity"". Here, we have Black gangs, Hispanic gangs, Asian (yes, the ""model minority"") gangs, and even a few White gangs. The Asian gangs have become a particularly troublesome element for law enforcement here, mainly due (I think) to their propensity for engaging in organized criminal activities. But ask people on the street and they'll, 8-out-of-10 times, tell you that Black gangs and crime are what they most fear. During the ""disturbance"" in Los Angeles last year many of the rioters and looters were not Black. Some were even White! I remember being amazed at television news scenes that showed looting mobs where there were maybe one or two Blacks at most! My perceptions, gleaned from TV news, were further corroborated by numerous friends and relatives that live in Los Angeles. This may have been the country's first truly multi-ethnic riot. Yet I know from face-to-face and online discussion that in the minds of America the popular perception is that it was a *Black* riot! In closing, I'd like to say that you raise some interesting points that really need discussion. Our country has spent too long ignoring the racism (and its attendant ills) that is very much a part of our culture. As a people, we are afraid to face up to some hurtful truths, and the problem becomes compounded *daily*. We cannot afford to do it much longer. I truly believe that the well-being of ALL OF US depends on changing our current course of denial and repression. I wish you and your children, and all other people, of *all* colors, luck in avoiding the ""trap"". Peace, my brother. m. -- Hokh'Ton : The Crystal Wind is the Storm, mdouglas@netcom.com : and the Storm is Data, Michael Douglas-Llyr : and the Data is Life. : ---Player's Litany (The Long Run) " 8209,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: tuberculosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <206@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes: > >I found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only MEDICAL (as oppsed to psychiatric) >condition that one can be committed for, and this is because very specific laws were >enacted many years ago regarding tb. I am certain these vary from state to state. I think in Illinois venereal disease (the old ones, not AIDS) was included. Syphillis was, for sure. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8210,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Nicknames Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr18.231914.143616@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch) wrote: > >Mathew ""FAQ"" can't remember his last name > >Keith ""Lie Tally .sig"" Ryan > >Kent ""Finn-tastic"" Sandvick > >Cindy ""Popsicle Toes"" Kandolf > >Jim ""Face .sig"" Tims > >Simon ""Clip-that-theist"" Clippendale > >Umar ""Reasonable"" Khan > >Rob ""Argue with G-d"" Strom > >Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller > >Maddi ""Never a useful post"" Hausmann > > Hey, what about an affectionate nickname for me? You could take my wrongly spelled surname :-). Cheers, Kent Sandvik --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 8211,11,"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Lines: 25 >As for my impressions of the whole scheme It seems that instead of trying to >ban strong crypto, they are trying to co-opt it. Their contention that they >need to keep the algorythm secret to protect the security of the key >registration suggests possible inherent weakness to the algorythm. More likely >is that they dont want anyone constructing black market devices which dont >have the keys registered. Anyone else notice that in their Q&A session, they Preventing black market chips w/non-escrowed keys IS exactly what they mean by protecting the security of the key escrow system. There are two parts to the security of such a system: (a) Preventing decruption by unauthorized personel (b) Assuring that the gummit can always decrypt clipper traffic when it authorizes itself to do so. Of course, the ministry of propoganda will do a lot of tallking about (a) and very little about (b). rob boudrie rboudrie@chpc.org ps: Anyone care to guess what encryption scheme the gov't is using on its newly formed database of anarch-cryptists who oppose this entire lunacy? " 8212,18,"From: gal2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley) Subject: Clinton's sister, Shalala Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 22 Last night I heard something about Bill Clinton's sister being involved in a marijuana bust, and the news being suppressed. I also heard something about her being an ""ex-con"". This source is not reliable, though. (It was a collage/booklet advertising a local band.) Can anyone on the net verify this or provide more details? I'm surprised I haven't seen anything about this in this newsgroup. Also, does anyone know what happened to the charges that Shalala was a regular pot smoker when she was in college? This ghastly accusation was reported on CNN Streamline News the day she was nominated, then I never heard anything about it again. It's almost enough to make me want to start an Act-Up type campaign to invade the privacy of closet smokers! (If only this type of publicity didn't violate people's rights. . . .) Jake. -- * What's so interdisciplinary about studying lower levels of thought process? <-- Jacob Galley * gal2@midway.uchicago.edu " 8213,1,"From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: rs43873.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 74 In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu>, Sean McMains writes: |> In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez |> Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: |> > And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is |> >a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something |> >like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. |> |> Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, |> especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the |> 68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D Sean, the 68070 exists! :-) |> |> Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an |> earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. |> I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be |> precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit |> color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC |> processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, |> though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly |> dynamic material. |> ======================================================================== |> Sean McMains | Check out the Gopher | Phone:817.565.2039 |> University of North Texas | New Bands Info server | Fax :817.565.4060 |> P.O. Box 13495 | at seanmac.acs.unt.edu | E-Mail: |> Denton TX 76203 | | McMains@unt.edu Sean, I don't want to get into a 'mini-war' by what I am going to say, but I have to be a little bit skeptic about the performance you are claiming on the Centris, you'll see why (please, no-flames, I reserve those for c.s.m.a :-) ) I was in Chicago in the last consumer electronics show, and Apple had a booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one (1.5). They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by 3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps. Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime could play back at the same speed even on an LCII. Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was from memory! Could it be that you saw either a newer version of quicktime, or some hardware assisted Centris, or another software product running the animation (like supposedly MacroMind's Accelerator?)? Don't misunderstand me, I just want to clarify this. But for the sake of the posting about a computer doing it or not, I can claim 320x200 (a tad more with overscan) being done in 256,000+ colors in my computer (not from the hardisk) at 30fps with Scala MM210. But I agree, if we consider MPEG stuff, I think a multimedia consumer low-priced box has a lot of market... I just think 3DO would make it, no longer CD-I. -------------------------------------- Raist New A1200 owner 320<->1280 in x, 200<->600 in y in 256,000+ colors from a 24-bit palette. **I LOVE IT!**<- New Low Fat .sig *don't e-mail me* -> I don't have a valid address nor can I send e-mail " 8214,6,"From: pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Paul Wood) Subject: Re: Forsale: GENESIS GAMES Organization: Temple University Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Kelvin Williams (kwill@lunatix.uucp) wrote: : These games are forsale (or trade): : * Sonic Hedgehog II (two copies) : + manuals and cases .. : $25 each.. : (brand new!)_ Hello, I am interested in Sonic II but when I send to the address below I get mail bounced back with ""Host unknow"" error. : Please reply to : kwill@lunatix.UUCP : (subject: games) -- -=( Paul Wood )=- -=( pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu )=- " 8215,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when? Distribution: comp Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >When is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse >II with all CPUs sold? As far as I know, they did; my new Mac came with one yesterday... (And I got my ergonomic keyboard, on order for three months, the other day, too!) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- ""On a clear disc, you can seek forever."" " 8216,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 15 In article , gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: > #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... > > Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. > > -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia When you force people to associate with others against their will, yes. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 8217,5,"From: rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) Subject: NumLock masking? interference with Meta/Compose/ExtendChar, ... Organization: The Internet Lines: 17 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state > of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and found what I was looking for. ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask). eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance. Thanks, Ralph " 8218,5,"From: jlong@b4pps40.Berkeley.EDU (John Long) Subject: xman source Reply-To: jlong@b4pps40.Berkeley.EDU (John Long) Organization: bnr Lines: 8 Where can I get xman source? I would like to get the binaries for xman for an HP 9000/700, but I would settle for source. -- John O.F. Long, BNR, Inc. | ""If there is no God, who pops jlong@bnr.ca | up the next Kleenex?"" #include | Art Hoppe " 8219,6,"From: cmd@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (craig.m.dinsmore) Subject: VCR, Cassette, Generator, tube tester, lawn spreader Organization: AT&T Distribution: chi Keywords: forsale Lines: 21 For Sale: VCR - Samsung VR2610 basic 2 head machine. It has a problem loading the tape, otherwise it plays and records just fine, remote is missing. $25 or make offer. Cassette deck - Pioneer CT-F900, three head, servo control, dolby. This was the top of the line (or close to it) several years ago. The rewind doesn't work well. All else is fine. Service & owners manual included. $45 or offer. Generator - 120 VAC 2000-2500 watt, has a voltmeter w/duplex outlet, a 5 hp engine should drive it to full output. Manufactered by Master Mechanic in Burlington Wisconsin. $50 or make an offer EICO Model 625 tube tester. $20 or make offer Lawn spreader - Scott ""precision flow"" model PF-1 drop type, excellent condition, ideal for a smaller yard. $20 or make offer. Craig days: 979-0059 home: 293-5739 " 8220,5,"From: cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) Subject: Getting Pseudo TTY in X/Motif Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Lines: 16 Hi, I am about to write an application in X/Motif that will require the embedding of a pseudo tty. So, before I re-invent the wheel, has anyone written/gotten a motif widget that does the job ? Otherwise, I would appreciate any pointers to make such a beast. My environment is X11R4/Motif 1.1 and X11R5/Motif 1.2 (if this helps). Thanks in advance. Arthur Lim Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg " 8221,15,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 18 In article a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz Faris) writes: >[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. --clh] So true. I'm not sure of the basis of the belief, but it was a widely held belief among the laity of the RC church and their support of it lead to it being declared to be true. Basically the teaching on infallibility holds that the pope is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine, the college of bishops is likewise infallible, and the laity is as well. The pope gets most of the attention/criticism but the consensus of the other bodies is equally infallible (according to RC teaching). Joe Moore " 8222,18,"From: sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 28 In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >In sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > >|I have to disagree. You do not take your logic far enough. > >|True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk, >|but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. > >I guess Xavier has never heard of territoriality in animals. Many animals, >especially preditors will stake out a territory and chase of any members of >the same species that tries to invade their territory. Yes, I have! Wasn't there a case of a single lion ruling all the land from South Africa up to Egypt across to the congo? If my memory serves me correctly there was enough game to feed some 100,000 or more lions but he wouldn't let the other lions hunt as he wanted it all himself. He died of a heart attack brought on by being overweight. Good thing too as he had designs on Europe, America (north and south), and the Falkland Islands. >Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com Xavier. " 8223,1,"From: renggli@masg1.epfl.ch (loris renggli) Subject: Need graph display/edit Organization: Math. Dept., Swiss Institute of Technology Lines: 17 I am looking for a program that is capable of displaying a graph with nodes and links and with the possibility to edit interactively the graph : add one node, change one link etc... Actually, a very _simple_ X11 program would be ok; all I need is to put some ""boxes"" (i.e. the nodes ) on a pane and be able to manipulate them with the mouse (move, add or delete boxes). Does anyone know if such program is available ? Thanks for any help !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Loris RENGGLI phone : +41-21-6934230 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology fax : +41-21-6934303 Math. Dept CH-1015 Lausanne (Switzerland) e-mail : renggli@masg1.epfl.ch " 8224,12,"From: kubovich@iastate.edu (Mark W Kubovich) Subject: Common-mode noise and small signals Keywords: noise common mode Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 20 I have never worked with really small signals before and have a few questions about low level noise. I have noticed that the waveform synthesizer that I am using (Analogic 2020) has some relatively large common mode noise on it. I am using this synthesizer to 'null' out another transient waveform and am amplifying the difference (~200uV) several hundred times. The 2020 has about 1-3 mVp-p of common mode noise and this tends to make my measurements hard to repeat. (The noise is not quite in sync with line frequency, and on a spectrum analyzer, the main component is about 64Hz). How can I get rid of the noise? When I look at the spectrum using an HP 3582A (audio range analyzer), the noise goes away the minute I switch to 'isolation' on the input. I am guessing the anlayzer has a diff amp on the input since it will read accurately down to DC. Also, if I use a differential amplifier (IA) to solve the problem, how important is it to use one of these 'shield drivers' (an amp connected to the shield in sort of a feedback loop to remove trouble caused by different cable capacitances)? If anyone can suggest a good IC IA for use with transient signals with content from 1KHz to about 300KHz, I would appreciate it. " 8225,11,"From: redsonja@olias.linet.org (Red Sonja) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: Long Island Pubnet - long may it rave! Lines: 60 In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > It seems pretty obvious that it will be made illegal if VERY LOUD NOISE is not made about this IMMEDIATELY to Congress and the House! >It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals >are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine >that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs >for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted >voice communications, will be distributed only through the >""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that >they are protecting their privacy. I don't know what's worse - the waste of money, or the fact that (in SPITE of all Clinton's rhetoric to the contrary) this is a feeble attempt by a large group of bored intelligence bureaucrats to justify their currently useless jobs. Clinton said he was going to trim the fat from the government. This doesn't look very dietetic to me! As I said before in this group: drug dealing and terrorism both tend to be international crimes which are not going to cease if the US starts to regulate encryption. The drug dealers and terrorists will simply go to other countries to communicate their plans, and will still carry them out here and/or wherever else. This is not the solution to the problem. They try to invent a new problem by saying we ""need"" encryption. I guess it's a good thing Bill Gates isn't a 4-star general or we would all ""need"" our own copies of MS-DOS too, right? Und vee haff vays uff findink out iff you are usink DOCTOR DOS!! >It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. Our health care and education systems are in the toilet and they come up with THIS pearl. If this goddamned government doesn't get a clue real quick and start trying to repair the infrastructure of the country rather than inventing someone to blame, Germany and Japan are going to eat the US alive, and we will deserve it. It's not like there's any shortage of REAL problems to solve, guys! A Clipper chip is really going to help the homeless! A Clipper chip is really going to help educate the children in the ghettos of our cities! Just think of the generation gap that can be developed when they rehire DoD engineer dad to work on Clipper chips that will be used to decrypt slightly rebellious adolescent hacker son's naughty GIF files! I can see the shitcom already. If that wasn't a forged post or a sick joke, I'm popping that Dead Kennedys tape into the car stereo and tearing ass to Canada. Clinton on White Horse is near. It's the suede/denim secret police! They have come for your uncool niece! Don't worry it's only a phone...shit, I knew I should have gotten some of those ""consent to monitoring"" stickers they keep on Autovon phones when I had the chance. I should have known I'd need them in civilian life. -- redsonja@olias.linet.org \\\RS/// Self possession is 9/10 of the law. Alien: ""We control the laws of nature!"" | ""How come when it's human, it's an Joel: ""And you still dress that way?"" | abortion, but when it's a chicken, (MST3K#17 - Gamera vs Guiron) | it's an omelet?"" - George Carlin " 8226,12,"From: doherty@coolpro.melpar.esys.com (Kevin Doherty) Subject: Hard Drive Component Costs Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division Lines: 17 Does anyone have some information on the relative fraction of the final cost of each component in an average hard drive? For instance, I'm pretty sure the heads and the platters are the most expensive parts, with the assembly costs running a close third. Cost of the electronics is likely in the noise. Any hard numbers ($$ or percentage)? Thanks. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Kevin Doherty E-Systems/Melpar Division doherty@melpar.esys.com | | Principal Engineer Falls Church, VA 22046 (703) 560-5000x2659 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Kevin Doherty E-Systems/Melpar Division doherty@melpar.esys.com | | Principal Engineer Falls Church, VA 22046 (703) 560-5000x2659 | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ " 8227,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 70 In article <1r0hicINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes: |> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9 |> and Deuteronomy 22:20-25: |> : These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had |> : expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a |> : direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God |> : is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable. |> : Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to |> : God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the |> : age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is |> : repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just |> : for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile |> : alike. |> |> Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure |> quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several |> other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't |> clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the |> verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot: |> |> ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have |> not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until |> heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke |> of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is |> accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments |> and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of |> heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called |> great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your |> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, |> you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."" (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in |> pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking) |> |> This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament |> doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so |> much ;). |> |> Rob Lanphier |> lanph872@uidaho.edu I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made obsolete by Jesus. If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended. If you'll notice, He also reams into the Pharisees for mucking up the Law with their own contrived interpretations. They knew every letter of the Law and followed it with their heads but not their hearts. That is why He points out that our righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees in order to be accepted into the kingdom of Heaven. People such as the Pharisees are those who really go out of their way to debate about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. They had become legalistic, rule-makers - religious lawyers who practiced the letter of the Law but never really believed in it. I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart? Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will. Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is their choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 8228,6,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Pressure meter Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 21 Heise model 710A pressure meter. This is a precision 4-1/2 digit meter measuring 0 - 15 PSI (absolute) in .001 psi increments. Case is in extremely good shape, and can be used as a stand-alone meter or panel mounted. Brass fitting (looks like standard 3/8"") on back. Operates from 110 VAC. I'd like $50 for it, or make an offer. It is a lot more useful to a lab than as an ersatz barometer, which is what I've been using it for. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 8229,13,"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) Subject: How to interview a doctor Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA Lines: 11 My insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm thinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea. Therefore, i'm shopping for a GP. Might as well get a good one. Could the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to the FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one? Please EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait. -dk " 8230,1,"From: yoo@engr.ucf.edu (Hoi Yoo) Subject: Ribbon Information ? Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Distribution: usa Lines: 20 Does anyone out there have or know of, any kind of utility program for Ribbons? Ribbons are a popular representation for 2D shape. I am trying to find symmetry axis in a given any 2D shape using ribbons. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated how to start program. Thanks very much in advance, Hoi yoo@engr.ucf.edu " 8231,7,"From: pp29616@dcl-nextsc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Park) Subject: Re: Integra GSR (really about other cars) Article-I.D.: news.C51Fs3.37C Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr5.212645.15988@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) writes: > > It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and out- > accelerate an Integra. > > But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars have > a moonroof with a sliding sunshade? No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power > sliding roofs that are opaque. A moonroof that can be opened to the air, > closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in. > > You've just got to know what's important :^). > > -Doug > '93 Integra GS hahaha ... my sentiments exactly. -- " 8232,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr17.122329.21438@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >>>""AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE >>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES) >>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE."" (Holy Quran 21:33) > >>Hmm. This agrees with the Ptolemic system of the earth at the centre, >>with the planets orbitting round it. So Copernicus and Gallileo were >>wrong after all! > >You haven't read very carefully -- if you look again, you will see that >it doesn't say anything about what is circling what. > Anyway, they are not moving in circles. Nor is there any evidence that everything goes around in a rounded course in a general sense. Wishy- washy statements are not scientific. Benedikt " 8233,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 128 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article Thomas Parsli writes: > >Abuse by the goverment: >This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control >would just be abused by the goverment.(!) >Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) Mr. Parsli, I have to take exception at this. There are verifiable, previous *examples* of levels of U.S. governments abusing gun-control restrictions. I don't think it is paranoid to worry that what has been abused in the recent past might be abused in thye future. After so many times of getting burned any sane person will stop putting his hand on the stove. >OR you should >get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) I'd love to. But as long as the politicians grab power to sell pork back to their constituents, there's not a lot I can do. It's silly to suggest that if there's anything we can't trust the government to do, and therefore the government should be allowed to do it, then we should change governments. Down that road lies total government power. I've never been a fan of totalitarianism. >Guns 'n Criminals: >MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. This is very likely. >Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. >And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe), >we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns. The North American Continent is not Europe, no matter how many people would like it to be. Drugs are very illegal and they're here. For years Canada has crowed about its gun control. If it is necessary to control guns over the whole continent, then Canada should have always had comparable rates to the U.S., yet they still don't. Unless you can tell me why the Canadian border is so much more magical than the Mexican border (which is shorter and far more heavily patrolled) then I really can't accept that argument. >Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: >What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! No, there are approximately 31,000 deaths due to guns in the U.S., two-thirds of which are suicides. (Unfortunately I don't have suicide rates for Norway.) However, this makes the per-gun death rate about half the per-car death rate. >The issue (I hope..): >I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem. >Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??) > >I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia: >They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them >to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns. The problem's been humans since before we had stone axes. The fct of the matter is simply this: If nobody ever assaulted anybody, whether there is a weapon of any sort around would be totally irrelevent. Yet weapons are *built*. I'd suggest, then, that the murderous impulse in humanity pre-dates weapons. Anyway, the Bosnians et al. have been making an excellent attempt to kill each other for half a thousand years. Taking away their guns, even if we could, would neither halt the killing nor reduce the brutality. >If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them >or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, >it's the 'axer' ?? >(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...) In the U.S., approximately 60% of murders are commited with firearms. (50% with handguns, 10% with non-handguns.) The reason I say that guns, per se, are not the problem, is that our non-gun rate exceeds most of Europe's countries *entire* violent crime rate. I don't really think we've got more knives or fists. In any case, I think examples of gun control *applied* to the U.S. have been abkect failures, just like drug prohibition and other forms of prohibition. Until you deal with *why* people are doing what they are doing, you won't solve your problem. And if the problem is violent crime, you shouldn't concentrate on the tools instead. The *vast* majority of guns is never, ever misused. (On the order of 99.5% over the entire lifetime of the gun). This says to me that you can't make the argument that the gun itself causes the misuse. >Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect >themselves. Is this a good situation ?? The situation is not ""good"" in that people fear for their lives. But recall the scenes of the store-owners during the last riots, protecting their shops with guns. Would it have been better they, too, lost their livelihoods? >Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? The problem of poverty and rage in Los Angeles, no it isn't. However, if that problem becomes a violent action, then yes, it can be appropriate. Whether or not some person has been hurt by their condition won't make me less dead if they burn down my house with me in it. You have to examine which problem you're referring to. If you're discussing someone violently assaulting you, then it is a perfectly legitimate response to make them stop. (Hopefully simply letting them know you're prepared to shoot them would be enough, as it was with the above-mentioned store-owners.) >If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have >guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) 45% of Households have some form of firearm, usually a long gun. That accounts for a level of access for at least 100 million Americans. Firearm ownership is most likely among educated, well-off whites, the group *least* likely to be involved in violent crime. You may take that for what it's worth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 8234,9,"From: gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) Subject: Torre: The worst manager? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 31 Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell is he thinking. Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every team in the league. Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home, I can't take this anymore brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. -- Brian Landmann Georgia Institute of Technology Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu " 8235,14,"From: Leigh Palmer Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:42:51 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 11 In article Henry Spencer, henry@zoo.toronto.edu writes: >The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. >When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and >the film continuously repeating. Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the month with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time. Once again netnews has enriched my life. Leigh " 8236,13,"From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: > >I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? > I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of 'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't show up in any chemical test. " 8237,2,"From: sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) Subject: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway Lines: 6 I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. Do I find it on any FTP host? Svein " 8238,4,"From: Peter Hansen Subject: Re: 72-pin SIMMS, where? X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:41:49 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 Organization: BNR X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 13 In article <1qulhsINNm22@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> Steven Medley, smedley@ecst.csuchico.edu writes: >I am looking for a 8 meg 72-pin SIMM for my Centris 610. Where is the >best place to purchase one (stock, shipping, warrenty), and if >possible, phone numbers so that I can order one as soon as possible. Try Goldstar. They make them, and they are available immediately in Mac configurations. I ordered a pair from Computerland (8 meg variety) and they work like a charm. I've had them for two weeks. Peter Hansen Bell Northern Research pgmoffc@BNR.ca " 8239,12,"From: hooperw@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Hooper) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 13 victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: >You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection >that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I >know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto. >It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes >just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models >just don't react to it. Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good. " 8240,5,"From: joel@zodiac.z-code.COM (Joel Reymont) Subject: Xsun not finding default font (Sol2.1) Organization: The Internet Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi, netters! I've just built X11R5 pl 21 under Solaris 2.1. I've used the multi-screen patch, as well as the R5.SunOS... patch and everything builds great, except for that error message Xsun gives me upon startup. It says: ""Cannot set default font path '[stuff deleted]'"" and ""Cannot set default font 'fixed'"". If I supply the -fp option, it doesn't complain about the font path but still complains about the font. I have symlinks from /usr/lib/ to the place where my distribution lives. Could somebody help me? -joel -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Reymont ! Z-Code Software Corporation ! e-mail: joel@z-code.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4340 Redwood Hwy, Suit B.50, San Rafael, CA 94903 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8241,9,"From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) Subject: Re: I've found the secret! Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com In article <1993Apr15.161730.9903@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: |> |> Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they |> already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts |> again tonight, on three days rest. Huh? Clemens pitched last on Saturday, giving him his usual four days rest. |> What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why |> Hesketh was used in relief last night? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""I didn't think I should've been asked to catch when the temperature was below my age."" - Carlton Fisk, Chicago White Sox catcher, on playing during a 40-degree April ball game " 8242,16,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 102 In article <1993Apr13.221936.28301@watson.ibm.com> mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) writes: > >In article , shepard@netcom.com (Mark Shepard) >writes: >|> How effective are personal defense products like mace, pepper-spray, >|> tasers and other non-lethal ""stun"" devices compared to handguns? >|> Any statistics on #'s and types in use? >|> >|> These products seem very attractive compared to handguns >|> because, being non-lethal, they are more ""forgiving"" of accident or >|> mistakes/wrongful shooting (such as the Yoshi Hattori case), and >|> allow the justice system to deal with the criminal (rather than >|> criminals simply being _dead_, which has a certain ""vigilante feel"" >|> which seems to bother anti-gun people). > >The ""more forgiving"" nature also has its down side; it allows a criminal >to use them w/o the ADW [assault with a deadly weapon] charge. They also >can have lethal or dangerous side effects - > - some people have violent reactions to mace/pepper sprays > - stun guns can harm people with weak hearts > - people have suffered eye damage from mace; the stuff that is available > now is less concentrated than it used to be. > - some of the spray propellents are flammable > >|> >|> The arguments I see _against_ these non-lethal weapons compared to >|> handguns are lack of range, lack of ""stopping power"" or effectiveness, >|> and limited ""ammo"". True? How about cost? > >Sprays > >- using any of the spray based [eg mace, pepper] indoors is bound to > affect anyone else in the room (like the victim) due to the nature > of the stuff. > >- using the sprays outdoors in any sort of breeze mitigates its > effectiveness. > >- from reading various articles, it appears that mace, especially the > mace available to citizens, is pretty ineffective on people under > the influence of drugs or alcohol. > >- pepper spray appears to be more effective, but has the inherent spray > delivery problem. It still does not appear to be anything better than > a distraction that might buy you time to run like hell [if you can]. > >Consider that running like hell isn't always a viable solution. For >example, if you are dressed in boots and the assailent is dressed in >sneakers .. you might have a tough time outrunning them! > >Tasars and Stun Guns > >- require contact with skin for max effectiveness; a jacket [like a > leather one] will mitigate its effectiveness > >- the user must be extremely close to the assailent; that puts them > at a considerable risk of injury. > >- the user must keep the stun gun in contact with the assailent for some > non negligible period of time. > >- tasar darts can be pulled out. > >Consider the problem a small women would have keeping a stun gun in >contact with a average size man for any length of time w/o sustaining >serious injury. > >|> >|> Have any anti-gun groups suggested non-lethal weapons, to counter >|> the pro-gun argument that people will be left defenseless? > >I haven't heard of any. Generally they contend that people don't >need to [or aren't able] to defend themselves. > >|> >|> And, what legal restrictions/licensing apply to non-lethal devices? > >Civilian ownership of stun guns is frequently illegal [NY]. The sprays >are also illegal in some states. Believe it or not, they are still >illegal in NY, although about half the state thinks they are legal! >[I believe that NY almost legalized them; i have heard that the reason >they didn't was due to their ineffectiveness] > >I feel that the sprays are better than nothing, but only if the user >does not believe the hype [""this'll drop 'em in their tracks"" stuff] >and uses it as a diversion o_n_l_y . >- >|> >|> MarkS >|> -- >|> Mark Shepard | shepard@netcom.com | Portola Valley, CA > >-- >Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com .. > (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy > (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack? Doug Holland " 8243,4,From: qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Charlie Kuehmann) Subject: LCIII to VGA Monitor Adapters Article-I.D.: ironman.qman-060493132722 Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: ironman.ms.nwu.edu I'm having a real tough time finding out the proper adapters to use a VGA monitor (an IBM 8513 sold w/ many PS/2's to be exact) on the Mac LC III. All of the vendors I have called say that the internal video will not work on a true VGA monitor but will work on a IBM Compatible multisync like the sony's or the NEC monitors. I thought the VGA capability of LCIII was very attractive because it allowed you to use inexpensive VGA monitors. Am I confused or are these vendors just not up to speed? Has anyone used an LCIII with a non multisync VGA monitor and if so where did you get your adapter (please be specific w/ vendor and cat #)? I would prefer to get a apple monitor for these LCIII's (it's unseemly to see the finder inside an IBM bezel) but the more money we save on monitors the more LCIII's we can afford and the more PS/2's we can get rid of! Charles Kuehmann Northwestern University Steel Research Group qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 8244,8,"From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady) Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 5 The best thing to do is to get a full face, even if it is a cheap brain bucket. I didn't think a full face was important until I took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding 20 feet on my face. Plus with the visor down, you also have no worries about your contacts. " 8245,13,"From: dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) Subject: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Keywords: seizures epilepsy Reply-To: dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 32 The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: 1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with it or actually having this disorder ) and 2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated with seizures over the internet. Recently, I had a baby boy born with seizures which occured 12-15 hours after birth. He was immediately transferred to a major hospital in Boston and has since been undergoing extensive drug treatment for his condition. This has been a major learning experience for me and my wife not only in learning the medical problems that faced our son but also in dealing with hospitals, procedures...etc. I don't want to go into a lot of detail, but his condition was termed quite severe at first then slowly he began to grow and put on weight as a normal baby would. He was put on the standard anti-convulsion drugs and that did not seem to help out. His MRI, EKG, cat-scans are all normal, but the EEG's show alot of seizure activity. After many metabolic tests, body structure tests, and infection/virus tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is having (although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms ). This is where we stand right now.... If anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as I mentioned up above, any information relating to this disorder I would sure appreciate hearing from you. I am not trying to play doctor here, but only trying to gather information about it. As I know now, these particular types of disorders are still not really well understood by the medical community, and so I'm going to see now....if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle insight. Thanks. " 8246,15,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 65 In article evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying ""God told >me this"" and ""Jesus told me that""? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. There are a lot of people running around saying ""God told me this"" and ""God told me that"" these days. Some people really have heard God, and others heard their glands. Mario Murrillo mentioned this in a sermon once. He said someone told him, ""The Lord gave me a song."" He said that it was the worst song he had ever heard. ""I know why he gave you that song,"" Murillo said, ""He didn't want it anymore."" But God does still speak to His people today, and the idea is contrary to the idea of a closed cannon. Ireneaus wrote about all the gifts of the Spirit in the church of His day (2nd and 3rd century) and he was one of the first to put forth a New Testament cannon, which was almost identical to the one we have today. He believed in a closed cannon. Many prophets prophesied prophecies which were not recorded in the Scriptures. For example, one prophet in Kings, whose name starts with an ""M"" who prophecied that the king would lose a battle. That is the only prophecy he gave recorded in Scripture, and we no that he had given other prophecies because the king complained before he heard the prophecy, ""He never prophesies anything good about me."" Yet only one little paragraph of all of his lifetime of prophecies are recorded in Scripture. There are numerous examples. Barnabas was a prophet, Acts says, before he was even sent out as an apostle. Yet his writings are not recorded in Scripture. Only two of Agabus prophecies are mentioned in Scripture. He was already a prophet before he gave them. So prophecy may be genuine and from God, but that does not make it Scripture. >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call >that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge? I don't know about translations of Scripture, but I am familiar with prophecies that give applications for Scripture. There are also similar examples in the Bible. Several times Peter interprets prophecies in a seemingly prophetic way, for example, ""And his bishoprick let another take"" concerning Judas office. A clearer example can be found in Matthew 24. Jesus is prophesying about what will happen before His return and He quotes a passage out of Joel about the sun being darkened and the moon turning to blood. So Scriptural prophecy can be used in later prophecy. Sometimes this sort of thing can cross over into being a word of knowledge, but gifts of the Spirit seem to overlap. Words of knowledge and wisdom can overlap. The word of knowledge and prophecy can overlap. Interpretation of tounges is very similar to prophecy. Healings are often considered miracles. So sometimes the distinction between gifts is a bit hazy. Imho, it doesn't usually matter that much if we are able to label a phenomenon, as long as we recognize them as the work of the Spirit, and use them according to His leading. Link Hudson. " 8247,0,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Islam is caused by believing (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism) Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr13.173100.29861@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >>I'm only saying that anything can happen under atheism. Being a >>beleiver, a knowledgeable one in religion, only good can happen. This is becoming a tiresome statement. Coming from you it is a definition, not an assertion: Islam is good. Belief in Islam is good. Therefore, being a believer in Islam can produce only good...because Islam is good. Blah blah blah. That's about as circular as it gets, and equally meaningless. To say that something produces only good because it is only good that it produces is nothing more than an unapplied definition. And all you're application is saying that it's true if you really believe it's true. That's silly. Conversely, you say off-handedly that _anything_ can happen under atheism. Again, just an offshoot of believe-it-and-it-becomes-true- don't-believe-it-and-it-doesn't. Like other religions I'm aquainted with, Islam teaches exclusion and caste, and suggests harsh penalties for _behaviors_ that have no logical call for punishment (certain limits on speech and sex, for example). To me this is not good. I see much pain and suffering without any justification, except for the _waving of the hand_ of some inaccessible god. By the by, you toss around the word knowledgable a bit carelessly. For what is a _knowledgeable believer_ except a contradiction of terms. I infer that you mean believer in terms of having faith. And If you need knowledge to believe then faith has nothing to do with it, does it? -jim halat " 8248,6,"From: thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu (Gulshan K Garg) Subject: Fax Modem Card Wanted Keywords: Fax, Modem Card Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Distribution: chi Lines: 8 I am looking out for an inexpensive fax modem card for PC. If you have one to sell, please e-mail Gulshan Garg thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu 312/942-1977 (H) " 8249,16,"From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) Subject: Re: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 51 >If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented >and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> >(and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << >absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite >(which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? > >Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! > >---------------- >Graham K. Glover >---------------- The Cold War has not ended. The only thing that has happened is that the two sides have exchanged roles. The USA has a higher imprisonment rate (400 per 100,000 population) than any country in Europe by a factor of 10 or so. In California, it is over 600 per 100,000 population. The prison population in California is now over 100,000, a quadrupling since 1980. Most of these inmates were convicted under the drug prohibition laws. Police now confiscate property, without trial, under a ""good faith probable cause"" standard, in the name of depriving the horrible ghastly drug dealers of their ill-gotten gains. Conduct an opinion poll, and a majority will answer ""yes"" if you ask them whether civil liberties and due process should be diluted in order to Send Our Young People The Message That We Are Serious About Winning The War On Drugs. I don't know whether anyone has measured such a figure among gun owners, but I would expect the same result. They certainly seem to vote that way. According to Jack Herer's book _The Emperor Wears No Clothes_, over TWELVE MILLION YEARS of prison time have been served under the marijuana prohibition laws, by people who were minding their own business and causing no harm to others (and less harm to themselves than users of tobacco, with 400,000 confirmed kills/year). Under the ""War on Drugs"" campaign of ""zero tolerance"" due process protections have eroded, and mandatory sentences of ten years without parole have proliferated. By and large, gun owners have voted for the politicians who favor such measures. And now, all the precedents--not only legal, but political: ""My fellow Americans, we must send our young people the message that we are serious about winning the War On Murder""--are going to be applied to the oncoming wave of gun prohibition laws. Gun owners are about to get a taste of the medicine they voted for believing it would be used only on those with different tastes in recreational drugs. What goes around comes around. Alan T. Furman | Don't blame me -- I voted Libertarian ---------------------------+---------------------------------------- atfurman@cup.portal.com | (800)682-1776 for more information " 8250,6,"From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) Subject: For Sale: Jazz Recordings Keywords: Music, Jazz, For Sale, Help a Starving Student Lines: 69 ************************************************************ * For Sale - Jazz Compact Discs * ************************************************************ I have the following CDs for sale, they are all in mint condition and are fairly hard to find. They are all on the savoy label and put out by Dennon (Dennon bought the rights to Savoy and released these disks) I would like to sell them all in one package deal but I will consider individual orders. These are the titles and artists: Telefunken Blues Milt Jackson, Kenny Clarke, Percy Heath Frank Morgan, Frank Wess, Walter Benton Jazz Concert West Coast The Bopland Boys Opus De Jazz VOl-2 John Rae, Steve Kuhn, Bobby Jaspar, Jake Hannah, John Neves Patterns of Jazz Cecil Payne, Kenny Dorham, Duke Jordan, Tommy Potter, Art Taylor Penthouse Serenade Erroll Garner Footloose Paul Bley The Imortal Lester Young Lester Young, Count Basie Great Britain's Marian McPartland, George Shearing Howard McGhee and Milt Jackson Self Titled I Just Love Jazz Piano Hampton Hawes, John Mehegan, Herbie Nichols, Paul Smith Art Pepper & Sonny Reid Self Titled Opus De Blues Frank Wess, Thad Jones, Curtis Fuller Charlie Fowlkes, Hank Jones, Eddie Jones, Gus Johnson Jazz is Busting out All Over Too many names to list Opus in Swing Frank Wess, Kenny Burrell Freddie Green, Eddie Jones, Kenny Clarke Jackson's Ville Milt Jackson, Lucky Thompson, Hank Jones Wendell Marshall, Kenny Clarke I will take any reasonable offer on the package of the 15 discs as well as offers on individual discs. Please E-mail me with a response or call (807) 344-0010 Thanx Derek -- $_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ $\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ $=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ $ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ " 8251,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 13 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited >technology base... and on government contracts. Just doing it privately, >rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several. So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 8252,18,"From: pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Advocates for Self-Government - Davy Crockett Chapter X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 50 sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: : : No. I make a distinction between working for yourself to survive and : paying dues to Mother Nature in the form of labour and working for : Joe propertyowner because you do not have the option of working for : yourself. Joe propertyowner stands between you and the earth you : work and expects you to pay him *and* mother nature for the right : to survive. The property laws create a layer of parasites that get : fat on the fact that people have *no option* except to work in : factories. : I want people to be able to get the things they need in life. Property ownership may not be ideal, but it is far better at letting people get what they need to live a productive, fulfulling life. The first experiment in America, where property ownership was denied, caused, starvation, hunger, and death. Few people know that the Pilgrims originally tried to have common property to grow food and a common food store. Many people know the hardships they suffered the first few winters because of it. After arriving, the Pilgrims made all property common. They all shared in the work and the resulting crops went into a common store. After much debate the new Governor Bradford privitized the land; assigning plots to each family. According to Perry D. Westbrook: ""The change was immediately justified by the increased industry of the inhabitants and by the larger acreage planted."" Bradford himself acknowledged this failure of communism. He wrote: ""The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort."" Bradford did not blame this failure on the ""strangers"", but on the basic selfishness in all men. He wrote ""seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them."" In other words, according to Westbrook, ""Bradford found private enterprise to be the most suitable economic policy for mankind in its fallen state."" Let's not make the same mistake that the Pilgrims made. Private property allows a society to flourish, the alternative brings starvation, poverty and discontent. -- Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President 706 Judith Drive, Johnson City, TN 37604, (615)283-0084, uunet!tijc02!pjs269 ""Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress."" -- U.N. report " 8253,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Delaunay Triangulation Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? Is there any reference to it? Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage? Thanks in advance. Yeh USC " 8254,2,"Subject: SIGMA Designs Video/Sound card From: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam) Reply-To: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam) Distribution: world Organization: Elec. & Comp. Eng., Univ. of Kansas Nntp-Posting-Host: morse.tisl.ukans.edu Originator: srini@morse Lines: 10 Does anyone out there use a SIGMA designs VIDEO/SOUND card ? The model is called WIN-STORM-PC . They also have one model the Legend-24lx Any info on these like performance and compatibility, or even problems encountered will be appreciated. thanks srini.w.seetharam " 8255,13,"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 86 >>In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >>most likely explanation for events. The following is from a critique of a ""60 Minutes"" presentation on MSG which was aired on November 3rd, 1991. The critique comes from THE TUFTS DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER, February 1992. [...edited for brevity...] ""Chances are good that if you watched '60 Minutes' last November 3rd [1991], you came away feeling MSG is bad for you. [...] In the segment entitled 'No MSG,' for instance, show host Ed Bradley makes alarming statements without adequately substantiating them ('millions are suffering a host of symptoms, and some get violently sick'); peppers his report with sensational but clinically unproven personal testimony...; and speaks of studies on MSG that make the substance seem harmful without explaining just how inconclusive those studies are. Consider his making reference at the beginning of the program to a study conducted at the Eastern Virginia Medical School in order to back up his comment that there is 'a lot of evidence' that MSG, a flavor enhancer in Chinese and other Asian cuisines as well as in many supermarket items, causes headaches. What he does NOT make reference to is the fact that the study was performed not on humans but on rabbits. One of the researchers who conducted the study, pharmacologist Patricia Williams, Ph.D., says it certainly is conceivable that a small minority of people are sensitive enough to MSG to get headaches from it. 'But,' she explains, 'the show probably overemphasized the extent of the problem.' A second lapse comes with mention of Dr. John Olney, a professor at the Washington University School of Medicine who, Mr. Bradley remarks, 'says that his 20 years of research with laboratory animals shows MSG is a hazard for developing youngsters' because it poses a threat of irreversible brain damage. Dr. Olney's research with lab animals does not 'show' anything about human youngsters. In fact, only under extreme circumsrtances did Dr. Olney's experiments ever bring about any brain damage: when he injected extremely high doses of MSG into rodents, completely bypassing their digestive tracts and entering their bloodstreams more directly, and when he used tubes to force-feed huge amounts of the substance to very young animals on an empty stomach. Of course, neither of those procedures occurs with humans; they simply take in MSG with food. And most of what they take in is broken down by enzymes in the wall of the small intestine, so that very little reaches the bloodstream -- much to little, in fact, for human blood levels of MSG to come anywhere near the high concentrations found in Dr. Olney's lab animals..... The World Health Organization appears to be very much aware of that fact. And so does the European Communities' Scientific Committee for Food....Both, after examining numerous studies, have concluded that MSG is safe. Their determination makes sense, considering that MSG has never been proven to cause all the symptoms that have been attributed to it -- headaches, swelling, a tightness in the chest, and a burning sensation, among others. In fact, the most fail-safe of clinical studies, the double-blind study..., has consistently exonerated the much-maligned substance. That's quite fortunate since the alleged hazardous component of monosodium glutamate, glutamate, enters our systems whenever we eat any food that contains protein. The reason is that one of the amino acids that make up protein, glutamic acid, is broken down into glutamate during digestion. It's a breakdown that occurs frequently. Glutamic acid is the most abundant of the 20 or so amino acids in the diet. It makes up about 15 percent of the protein in flesh foods, 20 percent in milk, 25 percent in corn, and 29 percent in whole wheat. That doesn't mean it's entirely unimaginable that a small number of people have trouble metabolizing MSG properly and are therefore sensitive to it...The consensus reached by large, international professional organizations [is that MSG is safe], the same consensus reached by the FDA and the biomedical community at large."" -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) " 8256,10,"From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) Subject: Re: Suhonen will NOT go to Jokerit Keywords: Suhonen Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 12 In tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) writes: >According to the inside information, Alpo Suhonen won't be the next headcoach >of Jokerit. It's pretty sure that Boris Majorov will continue, although owner >of the team previously said that he will chance the coach. >Tommi Wrong information. They just announced that Suhonen has made a deal with Jokerit. Tommi " 8257,3,"From: els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (G Chow) Subject: Re: ESDI with IDE??? Organization: Monash University Lines: 27 In article <1qegfd$dqi@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl> monty@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl (Guido Leenders) writes: >Hi, > >Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an >IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system? > >I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work? > >Thanx in advance, > >Guido >monty@win.tue.nl I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ? At the moment , I have been using the ESDI drive and recently I bought a IDE drive to use as the 2nd drive . The person in the computer shop told me that it is not possible to run 2 disk controller cards together on the same motherboard ( ESDI AND IDE ) but I think there might be some way of making them work. Can anybody enlighten me on this? And it is possible to run a ESDI HDD using a IDE controller? or vice versa? Can anybody please help me out on this? Your help will be very much appreciated. G.Chow els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au els390r@mdw013.cc.monash.edu.au gtchow@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au " 8258,5,"From: scotth@oniboshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry) Subject: Re: xlock Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA Lines: 21 In-Reply-To: dale@wente.llnl.gov's message of 20 Apr 93 01:15:13 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: oniboshi.corp.sgi.com >>>>> In article <1qvir1$idi@lll-winken.llnl.gov>, dale@wente.llnl.gov (Dale M. Slone) writes: dale> I found an oddity with our SGI Indigo (MIPS R3000 chip). dale> When xlock +nolock is running, and I am working remotely dale> or in batch (at) mode, the runtime of my programs (as timed dale> by using clock() in the code itself) is ~25% slower than if dale> xlock is NOT running. No other processes seem to affect my dale> runtimes, yet this is very consistent! Unless you run `xlock -mode blank`, xlock consumes CPU time generating the nice animated display. The code you are running is competing with xlock for the CPU. If you run top (via a remote login), you can really see what is going on. =-=-= -- Scott Henry / Help! My disclaimer is missing! Networking Services, / GIGO *really* means: Garbage in, Gospel Out Silicon Graphics, Inc / " 8259,16,From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: We knew it would happen Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 8 God forgive me for being an American who pays taxes to a government that commits atrocities like the Waco Massacre of 1993. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. 8260,11,"From: smythw@vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu (William Smythe) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article <1qsip1INNnj2@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson) writes: >>amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > This appears to be generic calling upon the name of the anti-christ. >Just for the hell of it, let's destroy this remark. Let us imagine that >the executive branch actually could extract keys from the escrow houses >without anyone knowing, or telling. Now what? Dick has 80 bits of data. >What the hell's he gonna do with it? > > 1) Trot around to the telco and say 'we'd like an unauthorised >decrypting tap'. Uh huh. > 2) Break in to watergate and install his own tap (so his people still >do have to break in, neat, huh?) record some noise, then get the Executive >Branch Phone Decryption Box (huh? they've got one? Goodness, wait 'til the >washington post gets hold of this) and decrypt the noise. > 3) More likely, stare at the key, and say 'Oh, hell it's not >worth all this bloody hassle' No, he gives the keys to the FBI (who may then give them to the local police on request) who then simply put some alagator clips on your phone junction box and conduct an illegal tap. They then decrypt when they recover the tape. Its just doing what the government does best: breaking the law. Bill Smythe " 8261,8,"From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 33 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says: >In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes: >>In a previous article, markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) says: >>>Ducati 400's are REALLY slow. They don't sell them over here in US, >>>but considering that the 750SS is not too powerful, the 400 is gonna' >>>be a dog. >>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug. Come on, when was >>the last time you used your 750s max power peak? I think maybe you should >>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just >>maximum acceleration. >I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin >desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd >cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all. Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in 12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @ 103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105. BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for no-one... -- Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA ""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" -Mary Chapin-Carpenter " 8262,7,"From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 14 >>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake> >>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. >just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems >to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need I couldnt agree more. That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too. I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors. I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know). I still get caught off guard every now and then. Maybe I didnt word it right the first time. What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances). I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story) " 8263,1,"From: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors Nntp-Posting-Host: hacke11.dtek.chalmers.se Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden Lines: 37 andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes: >d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes: >>1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture. >>5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding >>color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is >>see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all, >>There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in >>a 24 bit card. If >>you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow >>or something and turn >>up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding. > While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here, >he's using a common misconception that should be corrected. > Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color >quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the >human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities. >The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on >the brighter side and darker on the darker side. >--Andre Yeah, of course... The term 'mach banding' was not the correct one, it should've been 'color quantization effect'. Although a bad color quantization effect could result in some visible mach-bands on a picture that was smooth before it was quantizised. -- Henrik Harmsen Internet: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden. ""I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."" " 8264,12,"From: cobust@seagoon.ee.sun.ac.za (Cobus Theunissen) Subject: Wide band Analog time delay Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 6 Hi there, I am looking for a wide band analog time delay (not phase delay) variable from 200 microseconds to 2 milliseconds. Please reply via email to rrc@firga.sun.ac.za " 8265,5,"From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu () Subject: XTranslateCoord. Problem Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu It seems like XTranslateCoord. doesn't work the way I expecting it. Right after performs a XMoveWindow, I want to know the absolute window position with respect to the root window. To get this info. I do a XTranslateCoordinates but the abs_x, and abs_y aren't right? Does anybody know of a way to find out this information? Thanks, please e-mail to hsteve@carina.unm.edu if it's possible -- _---_ Steve / o o \ hsteve@hydra.unm.edu, hsteve@carina.unm.edu | \___/ | Just say NO to VMS!! " 8266,18,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Model United Nations Lines: 3 Just observed at the National Model United Nations here in NYC. Just one word on it : AWSOME. Peace, matt " 8267,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? >>> >>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >>> >>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive >>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) > >I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to >study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. > Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci one (and have it). This AM I couldn't find any reference to ""weight rebound"". I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there. There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base, as usual. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8268,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 33 In article goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writ es: >In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.a cs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR .C >>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>his so called stimulus package. >>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>immunizations for poor kids. >> >>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. > > In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health > care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give > a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services > delivered to their doorsteps. > > Excuse me for sticking my nose in, but any parent/parents who do not allready immunize their children (especially if it is already free), don't deserve one frigging dime of tax money for health care for themselves, or public health care service. (I know the immunization program and the coming national health care issue are slightly seperate issues, but anybody who wouldn't help their kids, don't deserve my tax help). ryan " 8269,12,"From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Nntp-Posting-Host: 138.85.253.85 Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc. X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson. Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and not necessarily those of Ericsson. Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr21.131908.29582@uhura.neoucom.edu> wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) writes: >From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) >Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:19:08 GMT >Write a good manual to go with the software. The hassle of >photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing >the package for only $15. Also, consider offering an inexpensive >but attractive perc for registered users. For instance, a coffee >mug. You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of >dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95. Or, _documentation_ for the program ;-). A lot of shareware out there is very similar in the approach - send in your money, and you get documentation, and a free upgrade to the latest version. Perhaps even support of some small degree. Whatever you want to offer that is ""better"" than the circulating version. >You're lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use >are non-licensed users. Figure about 50%, as I have seen. >The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into >your price structure. Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad. It doesn't really hurt legit users. Shareware is still much cheaper than the alternatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS------- ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible. Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138 exuptr@exu.ericsson.se ""Don't let the .se fool you"" " 8270,13,"From: roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos) Subject: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland/cortical c.) Summary: Where can I find a rat cell line Keywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat Organization: Institute of Biotechnology (Univ. Helsinki) Lines: 14 I am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland / cortical cell -type. I have been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any help. Thank you for reading this. Christophe Roos ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Institute of Biotechnology Fax: +358 0 4346028 POBox 45, Valimotie 7 E-mail: Christophe.Roos@Helsinki.Fi University of Helsinki X-400: /G=Christophe/S=Roos SF-00014 Finland /O=Helsinki/A=fumail/C=Fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8271,9,"Organization: University of Maine System From: Ryan Robbins Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE <1993Apr5.153407.19101@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> Lines: 8 Actually, there can be any number of players on a side. You can have a 25-man roster, a 40-man roster, etc.... Ryan Robbins Penobscot Hall University of Maine IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu " 8272,13,"From: sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner) Subject: Hernia Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: condor.encore.com Lines: 20 A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was discovered. It had produced a dull pain in that area. The hernia was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a ""plug and patch"". The doctor considered the procedure a success. A few months later the same pain returned. The doctor said that he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair. Now the pain occurs more often. My GP couldn't identify any specific problem. The surgen who performed the original procedure now says that yes there is a ""new"" hernia in the same area and he said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time. My question to the net: Is there a nonintrusive method to determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from something else? Steve Heffner " 8273,11,"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: IR Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.052005.20665@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > Nothing was said about where K_P comes from. Oh? Hellman said ``each user will get to choose his or her own key.'' That's the key which I called K_P, the session key. According to Hellman, if Alice and Bob are communicating with the Clipper Chip, then Alice chooses ``her own key'' and Bob chooses ``his own key.'' This is incompatible with the suggestion that when Alice and Bob are talking, they use a _common_ K_P, chosen by classical or public-key approaches. The protocol/key-management description published so far is either incomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system would actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that we get full details. ---Dan " 8274,13,"From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: king-arthur.watson.ibm.com Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Lines: 29 In article <19688@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > >In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes: > >>Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very >>hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a >>""feel"" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience. >>No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a ""quack"" >>and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck. >> >Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures. >They poo-poo doing more lab tests: ""this is Lyme, believe me, I've >seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it >now."" Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating >Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this >pattern. They are usually GPs. >-- Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate? The books that I've read say that in general the tests have a 50-50 chance of being correct. (The tests result in a large number of both false positives and false negatives. I am in the latter case.) We could get those same odds by ""rolling the dice"". -- Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com) From the beautiful and historic New York State Mid-Hudson Valley. " 8275,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!! Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.132741.11322@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: >> I agree, though I'd also be happy with a stadium that looks >> like new Comiskey. The new park was also made for baseball. >> Unlike Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, etc., it's not a >> football park in which they also play baseball. >While we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which >was designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets. It was the first >stadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be >oriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football. Not the first. RFK, olim DC Stadium, was built 2 years earlier. Nowadays they don't move the seats back for the few exhibition games; but the 3rd-base/LF lower deck used to move. It was all metal, which was pretty noisy on Bat Day. >Of course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football >stadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where, >because it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the >action. The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have >always hyped it as ""beautiful Shea >Stadium,"" a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is. It's vastly better than it was before they fixed it, though. Back in the late 70's it was a *dump*. Roger (don't you*like* jet noise?) " 8276,5,"From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum) Subject: Re: How to get 24bit color with xview frames ? Organization: Island Graphics Corp. Lines: 17 amathur@ces.cwru.edu (Alok Mathur) writes: >I would like to know how I can set the depth of the frame to be 24 bits. >I tried using the following Xlib code : >Am I using a completely wrong approach here ? Is it possible to set the depth Yes. >and colormap for a window created by Xview ? What am I doing wrong ? Look up XV_DEPTH. Also, you might want to try using XView colormap segments instead of Xlib for your colormap stuff. They will probably be easier for you to use, and since you are using a TrueColor visual, you won't be losing anything compared to straight Xlib. -Jonathan hue@island.COM " 8277,4,"From: Sven Guckes Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Originator: guckes@medusa X-Mail-Reader: Elm 2.4 PL21 Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany X-News-Reader: NN 6.4.13 #13 Lines: 18 sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: >The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for >quite awhile now. >Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare. Hm, I've got my CD drive since 921230. >I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, >but I can't confirm it. Indeed, CDs are bundled with it. You usually get nine CDs with demos of applications, games, photos, etc. I have compiled a list of these and posted it to alt.cdrom. I will post an updated version of this list RSN. Sven :) " 8278,1,"From: tonyo@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Tony Ozrelic) Subject: Need info on cc:Mail file format Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond, Oregon Lines: 13 I need the file format for cc:Mail file formats - it seems to be PCX-based, but with a twist: only the first page of a multi-page fax will come out readable. The other pages disappear. The format seems to be 'proprietary'. Anybody got any clues? I have to give my email FAXes to my secretary in order to get 'em unscrambled. I want a filter from cc:Mail to .p[nb]m. Come to think of it, p[nb]m to cc:Mail would be nice too. tonyo@master.CNA.TEK.COM " 8279,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Price Controls for Medical Care (WAS Re: We're from the govt...) Summary: ""Loss leader"" argument does not wash Organization: Not Aging, Just Improving, Inc. Lines: 76 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >In article <1993Apr2.185755.17803@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >> Thanks to Kim for following up. I was hoping that someone would bring up >> the issue of cost compensation. The problem with the argument is that it >> fails to explain why kidney dialysis (RD) services have expanded massively in >> the last decade. After all, no one is forcing private providers to offer >> this service. If they are losing money on the treatment (which according >> to information I've collected from several providers they are not) why >> would they not simply limit their losses by cutting back on services >> (engage in effective rationing of supply) rather than expand the coverage >> to a larger market that must then be compensated by raising prices in >> other areas? > >Perhaps there is a competitive advantage in there after all. Would >not reputable and dedicated physicians prefer to affiliate with an >institution that offers dialysis services? Would they not therefore >tend to admit patients in greater numbers to an institution that >offered a full range of diagnostic and treatment options? Undoubtedly. In fact, it is the fact that hospitals frequently compete for physicians rather than for patients that (in part) complicates and undermines a simplistic free-market analysis of the market for medical care. >Hospitals tend to lose money on all sorts of high-tech, high-price >machinery. They manage to make it up on other charges. Once again, there is no evidence that this is true in regard to kidney dialysis. Although price controls have promoted an expansion of services to a much greater volume of patients, RD is still a profitable service. Otherwise, one would expect to see evidence of rationing rather than the vast expansion that has occurred. > >> Remember, the notion that you can lose a little on each treatment but >> make it up in volume is not good economics even in a free market. :) > >Then how do you explain why grocery stores routinely offer an >array of products at prices below cost? Are not grocery stores >embedded in a relatively free market? Can you spell ""loss leader?"" I knew you could. Grocery stores do not attempt to make up the loss on an individual product by selling more of it. In fact, your argument above is that kidney dialysis is a loss leader for other medical treatments where lost revenue can be regained. But the evidence does not support this contention. Rather, it appears that price controls have disciplined the market by forcing an expansion of service and development of improved lower-cost technology to provide comparable benefits. Providers continue to profit from RD, they simply make less on each treatment than they would have if the price had risen at the rate that uncontrolled treatments have. There is no question that had price controls forced the price of RD substantially below its actual cost that some or all of the doomsday predictions of free-market advocates would have been seen -- restriction of service, lagging technological development, etc. Likewise, it appears that in the VA and armed forces medical care systems, where providers are government agencies, some of these negative impacts may occur. (RD patients in the VA system in Spokane, for example, must travel to Seattle, 300 miles away, for treatment.) The bottom line, however, is that this is an example of government intervention (of a rather extreme sort) that appears to have had beneficial results for both providers and consumers. Claims that ""government bureaucracy"" inevitably leads to undesirable outcomes in the marketplace should take such such cases into account. jsh > >=Mark -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 8280,9,"From: ma_ind25@blurt.oswego.edu Subject: Re:Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 3 I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player Also, Mordaci Brown back in the early 20th century. He was a pitcher whose nickname was ""3 fingers"" Brown....for obvious reasons....he had 3 fingers. " 8281,8,"From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750? Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcvo$2q9 Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote: : I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990 : Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles : and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees : of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the : bike. : I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this : would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life : span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with : prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is : for cars?. : Thanks for any advice you can give. : --Mark -- _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ | | | Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | | Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | | 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | | Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | |______________________________________________________________| " 8282,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (S Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 19 JL-NS>Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job) I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I will probably start looking in earnest after May, when I return from my trip down the Pacific Coast (the geographical feature, not the bike). Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * Have bike, will travel. Quickly. Very quickly. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 8283,2,"From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) Subject: Save my hard disk?! (allocation error, cross-linked) Reply-To: b-banko@uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 150 Hi. While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1 this evening, I got a ""program has violated system integrity... close all applications, exit windows and restart your computer"" error. I started to do this when I immediately got a ""Serious disk error"" message from Windows. ""hit return to retry"". I did that about 5 times and then rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow. (I am including the chkdsk output below.) Questions: 1) Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order? What might be some better approaches? 2) What might have caused this? Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more vulnerable? (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing.) The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows and a few other things. Thanks for your comments and suggestions. Brad Banko ps: this is a 386sx machine with a 40Mb hard drive and 2 Mb of RAM. chkdsk output: ====================================================================== Volume Serial Number is 1159-09D3 Errors found, F parameter not specified Corrections will not be written to disk C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG Allocation error, size adjusted C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X Allocation error, size adjusted C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE Allocation error, size adjusted 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains. 647168 bytes disk space would be freed C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO5400.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16138 C:\GFX\VPIC46\TRI8800B.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16139 C:\GFX\VPIC46\TS4000HI.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16140 C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.DOC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16141 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 C:\GFX\VPIC46\DEFINCON.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16152 C:\GFX\VPIC46\ATIWONDR.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16153 C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO6400.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16154 C:\GFX\VPIC46\OAK.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16155 C:\GFX\VPIC46\HIRES.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16156 C:\GFX\VPIC46\AHEADA.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16157 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.DOC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16208 C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX673.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16185 C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.COM Is cross linked on allocation unit 16186 C:\GFX\VPIC46\MAXXON.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16187 C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.DOC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16188 C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX678.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16189 C:\GFX\VPIC46\EGA.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16190 C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16191 C:\GFX\VPIC46\README.1ST Is cross linked on allocation unit 16199 C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X Is cross linked on allocation unit 16382 C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SOUND.DRV Is cross linked on allocation unit 16380 C:\WINDOWS\GAMES0.GRP Is cross linked on allocation unit 16367 C:\WINDOWS\MAD79-11.BMP Is cross linked on allocation unit 16341 C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2A.KIN Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2B.KIN Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 C:\MAGE\PKIN_2_2.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.EXE Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.TXT Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.WRI Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.KEY Is cross linked on allocation unit 16265 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.REC Is cross linked on allocation unit 16275 C:\WINMISC\ADV21\FREEZER Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 C:\386SPART.PAR Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 C:\BNG2.MBX Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 42366976 bytes total disk space 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files 153600 bytes in 67 directories 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files 1564672 bytes available on disk 2048 bytes in each allocation unit 20687 total allocation units on disk 764 available allocation units on disk 655360 total bytes memory 579712 bytes free -- Brad Banko; Dept of Physics; U of Illinois; b-banko@uiuc.edu ========================================================================= See one. Do one. Teach one. 73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il " 8284,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Is car saftey important? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes: >Is it only me, or is >safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car? It depends on your priorities. A lot of people put higher priorities on gas mileage and cost than on safety, buying ""unsafe"" econoboxes instead of Volvos. I personally take a middle ground -- the only thing I really look for is a three-point seatbelt and 5+mph bumpers. I figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough for me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are lots of low-speed collisions that do worry me. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 8285,14,"From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Re: Level 5? In-Reply-To: 18084TM@msu.edu's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 21:37:55 GMT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University Distribution: sci Lines: 50 In article 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: Nick Haines sez; >(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in >maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case). Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in? This is a rating system used by ARPA and other organisations to measure the maturity of a `software process' i.e. the entire process by which software gets designed, written, tested, delivered, supported etc. See `Managing the Software Process', by Watts S. Humphrey, Addison Wesley 1989. An excellent software engineering text. The 5 levels of software process maturity are: 1. Initial 2. Repeatable 3. Defined 4. Managed 5. Optimizing The levels are approximately characterized as follows: 1. no statistically software process control. Have no statistical basis for estimating how large software will be, how long it will take to produce, how expensive it will be, or how reliable it will be. Most software production is at this level. 2. stable process with statistical controls, rigorous project management; having done something once, can do it again. Projects are planned in detail, and there is software configuration management and quality assurance. 3. The process is defined and understood, implementation is consistent. This includes things like software inspection, a rigorous software testing framework, more configuration management, and typically a `software engineering process group' within the project. 4. Statistical information on the software is systematically gathered and analysed, and the process is controlled on the basis of this information. Software quality is measured and has goals. 5. Defects are prevented, the process is automated, software contracts are effective and certified. Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu " 8286,12,"From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Need pinouts for a G8870 dtmf decoder chip Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Distribution: usa Lines: 59 In article mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) writes: > >I bought this chip from Suncoast Technology and tried to build their >dtmf decoder circuit. But it's not working... > >If anyone has the pinouts and possibly the voltage specs I'd sure >appreciated it. I presume it is the M-8870 from Teltone Corporation. Pin Description 1 + input 2 - input 3 GS (gain select through use of feed back resistor) 4 Vref (reference voltage OUTPUT, about Vdd/2) 5 connect to Vss 6 connect to Vss 7 osc1 clock input 8 osc2 clock output (connect crystal across pins 7 and 8) 9 Vss 10 OE output enable (logic high allows data output) 11 Q1 data output 12 Q2 data output 13 Q3 data output 14 Q4 data output 15 StD Delayed Steering Output (any other company would call this 'data valid'.) 16 ESt Early Steering output, sort of like ""I'm starting to hear a tone"". 17 St/GT Steering input/guard time output 18 Vdd Power Supply : 4.75V min., 5.25V max. Current : 3.0mA Typ, 7.0mA max. BUT....... You really should have bought the Motorola part from me. :-) (I still have them in stock) John If someone could fax, email, or snail mail a copy >of the spec sheet for this chip that would be even better. :) > >Please email me if you can help. > >Thanks in advance, >-- >Mont Pierce > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | >| bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | >| modes: cw,ssb,fm | >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 8287,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Article-I.D.: news.C51sMA.AnC Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 75 cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes: >In article , fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: >|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: >|> : >|> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn >|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is >|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced >|> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of >|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? >|> >|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. >|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if >|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket >|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not >|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. >|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was >|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I >|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but >|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important >|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT >|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit >|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has >|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. >|> >|> Fred >Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. >If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for >the same car. So isn't that saving money? Yes. But the point is that prices are competetive. Saturn may well be selling a car intended on giving the dealer a $2000 profit, but since a comperable Honda with $500 profit is more expensive, it may be well worth it to buy the Saturn. >Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, >then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was >already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they >reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: >1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. > >2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. >Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even >the buyers for other cars will pay less. Not necessarily. It seems to me that Saturn salesdroids, who don't make a commision, whereas their counterparts at other dealerships generally do, make more $$ per hour or whatever. This means that Saturn doesn't give up the profit to their employees through commision, which IS taken out of per- car profits. They just pass it along to less pressureing salesmen/women. >Isn't that saving money? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on accounting practices. I'd rather pay more for dealer service that doesn't cut corners to contain costs... >$0.02, >doug. $2/100 CKA '87 (Carolina) Blue Honda Civic DX -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *""Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."" Peart ""Cinderella Man""************* " 8288,17,"X-Mailer: TMail version 1.17R From: ""D. C. Sessions"" Organization: Nobody but me -- really Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Distribution: world Lines: 61 In <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) wrote: # In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: # |> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: # |> > # |> >It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like # |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer # |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... # |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of # |> >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not # |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often # |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are # |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and # |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps # |> >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured # |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages # |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. # |> # |> This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: # |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the # |> opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, # |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the # |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the # |> innocent civilians into harm's way. # |> # |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel # |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking # |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects # |> innocent lives? # # Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using # civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the # buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it # further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just # kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to # the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... ""GETTING BACK"" # ...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least # it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of # civilians. Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement. As I understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all circumstances fair targets. Their opponents are legitimate targets only when Mirandized, or some such? I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori* that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!). The corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them. This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing His Side. Of course, when it's different when the roles are reversed. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- " 8289,9,"From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford) Subject: Sandberg Update...Won't be long now!!! Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 21 Hi all you Ryno fans (and those interested...) Todays Chicago Tribune had this written in it today in regards to Ryne Sandberg... ""Ryne Sandberg is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a broken left hand and could be back in the lineup by May 1, manager Jim Lefebvre said Friday. Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball in his gloved hand. '' I'm not surprised his rehabilitation has been moved up,'' said Lefebvre. '' He's a fast healer, and he doesn't like being on the disabled list. He's been running since he was hurt [March 5] and is in the best shape of his life. May 1 is his target date for getting back in the lineup."" Hold on to your hats Cub fans...more later as information presents itself. Jeffery " 8290,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Organization: sgi Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr3.153552.4334@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes > > Well, Germany was hardly the ONLY country to discriminate against the > Jews, although it has the worst reputation because it did the best job > of expressing a general European dislike of them. This should not turn > into a debate on antisemitism, but you should also point out that Luther's > antiSemitism was based on religious grounds, while Hitler's was on racial > grounds, and Wagnmer's on aesthetic grounds. Just blanketing the whole > group is poor analysis, even if they all are bigots. I find these to be intriguing remarks. Could you give us a bit more explanation here? For example, which religion is anti-semitic, and which aesthetic? jon. " 8291,5,"From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Subject: Re: Is a 2 headed Sun 3/60 possible (cgfour0/bwtwo0) Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 25 In article <1r28mg$9r5@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> matthew@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Matthew Kleinmann) writes: | I have a Sun 3/60 that has a mono framebuffer (bwtwo0 ?) built on the | motherboard. The same system also has a cgfour (cgfour0 and bwtwo1 ?) | daughterboard. I have been using this system with a color monitor having a | color ""front"" screen from the cgfour, and a mono ""back"" screen from the | bwtwo1, both on the same tube. I recentley picked up a 1600 x 1280 Sun mono | monitor, and I would like to make a two headed system with the cgfour0 and | the bwtwo0. I do not care if I loose the ""back"" screen on the color tube | from the bwtwo1. After looking through the Xsun man page I am not sure if | this is possible. Has anybody sucessfuly done this before? If it's any consolation, I have two 2-headed Sun-3/60 systems, though the color and mono monitors for each are ""rated"" 1152x900. Their configuration is the same as yours, so it ""should"" be a Plug'N'Play situation, EXCEPT: I don't know if your hi-res mono monitor will function this way. However, you may simply be able to pull the motherboard and set the HI-RES jumper (located in the same jumper array as the jumpers for the RAM/SIMM selects and Ethernet connection) and be happily on your way. When you pull the motherboard, the jumpers are in the left-rear (e.g. ""north-west"") quadrant of the motherboard (to the left of the SIMM sockets). Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ] " 8292,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 18 In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >What do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning? >COuldn't that be wrong? > Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe because of their pride"" mistake. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 8293,8,"From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) Subject: Re: looking for a maintenance manual for Honda CB 360 Organization: Why do you suspect that? Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr12.132410.19470@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes: >If anyone thinks that touring on a CB 360 is pushing the envelope, try >a 175 twin. My local Honda dealer says that my 1969 Honda Dream 175 >was commonly referred to as a ""serious touring bike"" when it first >came out?!?!?! (maybe there IS something in the water around here). What's the problem here? Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to Barcelona and back. That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative of the size of bikes on the road. A 350 was considered a big bike, and the superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc. Anything bigger was real rare. Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85 Nothing in the water! Mais, voulez vous un peu du melange ? " 8294,19,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: sgi Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qlvh1$fh0@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qkn25$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> #Do you mean it's moral to use force on someone who advocates |> #the use of force? |> |> With a few provisos, yes. Minimum force, for a start. And, it |> depends on what is being forced (on either side). |> |> #Or do you mean that sometimes we have to use force on such |> #people out of necessity or self-defence, while recognizing |> #that our own actions in doing so are not moral? |> |> My opinion is that our actions would be moral, and it would be |> immoral not to act if action would be both necessary and effective. |> Again, there many caveats and provisios. |> |> Note, my usage of ""my opinion"" is an admission that I don't have a lock |> on morals, not that there is no truth about morality to have a lock on. You're admitting a lot more than that. You are admitting that your morals are situational. You are admitting that the actions of other people and the situation you are in help to determine how you judge the moral significance of one of your own actions. If you employ X degree of force, that's not moral, but if you employ X degree of force, but previously someone else has employed Y degree of force, and the situation is thus-and-so, that *is* moral. This is quite different from saying ""Employing force on other people is immoral, period. Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged to do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so we have to bear the moral consequences of that. For what it's worth - and yes, I know you claim to be an agnostic - it's this ability to re-label things from ""immoral"" to ""moral"" that I find one of the *least* attractive qualities of the religious mind. jon. " 8295,3,"From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 23 catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) writes: >In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: > Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a > high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony > 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It > is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic > image, and the large image size, etc, etc... >It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third >down, the other two thirds down) come from. Annoying??? Are you actually using one or are you just talking? ;-) I'm sitting in from of one right now and I must say I never notice them! Yes, of course I can see them if I look, but annoying? NO WAY!!! Christian -- M. Christian Holmgreen / joker@diku.dk / mochmch@uts.uni-c.dk M.Sc. student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science ""Human errors can only be avoided if one can avoid the use of humans"" " 8296,15,"From: mauaf@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P D Simmons) Subject: Why religion and which religion? Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 46 My family has never been particularly religious - singing Christmas carols is about the limit for them. Thus I've never really believed in God and heaven, although I don't actually believe that they don't exist either - I'm sort of undecided, probably like a lot of people I guess. Lately I've been thinking about it all a lot more, and I wondered how religious people can be so convinced that there is a God. I feel as though I want to believe, but I'm not used to believing things without proof - just as I can't believe that there definitely isn't a God, so I can't definitely believe that there is. I wondered if most of you were brought up by religious families and never believed any different. Can anyone help me to understand how your belief and faith in God can be so strong. Another question that frequently crosses my mind is which religion is correct?? How do you choose a religion, and how do you know that the Christian God exists and the Gods of other religions don't?? How do you feel about people who follow other religions?? How about atheists?? And people like me - agnostics I suppose. Do you respect their religion, and accept their beliefs as just as valid as your own?? Isn't there contradiction between the religions?? How can your religion be more valid than any others?? Do you have less respect for someone if they're not religious, or if they follow a different religion than you would if they were Christian?? Also, how much of the scriptures are correct?? Are all events in the bible really supposed to have happened, or are they just supposed to be stories with morals showing a true Christian how to behave?? I generally follow most of the Christian ideas, which I suppose are fairly universal throughout all religions - not killing, stealing, etc, and 'Loving my neighbour' for want of a better expression. The only part I find hard is the actual belief in God. Finally, what is God's attitude to people like me, who don't quite believe in Him, but are generally fairly 'good' people. Surely not believing doesn't make me a worse person?? If not, I find myself wondering why I so strongly want to really believe, and to find a religion. Sorry if I waffled on a bit - I was just writing ideas as they came into my head. I'm sure I probably repeated myself a bit too. Thanks for the help, Paul Simmons [There's been enough discussion about evidence for Christianity recently that you may prefer to respond to this via email rather than as a posting. --clh] " 8297,1,"From: wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael) Subject: Adobe Photo Shop type software for Unix/X/Motif platforms? Summary: Searching for Adobe Photo Shop type software for Unix/X/Motif platforms Keywords: Image Enhancement Organization: n/a Lines: 19 Hello, I have been searching for a quality image enhancement and manipulation package for Unix/X/Motif platforms that is comparable to Adobe Photo Shop for the Mac. I have not been able to find any, and would appreciate any information about such products you could provide. I would be particularly interested in software that runs on HP or Sun workstations, and does not require special add-in hardware, but would also be interested in other solutions. Thank You. Wayne -- Wayne Michael wdm@world.std.com " 8298,13,"From: marcbg@feenix.metronet.com (Marc Grant) Subject: Adult Chicken Pox Organization: Tx Metronet Communications Services, Dallas Tx Distribution: usa Lines: 13 I am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted from my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true? Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox? Speed up healing? Please e-mail replies, and thanks in advance. -- |Marc Grant | Internet: marcbg@feenix.metronet.com | |POB 850472 | Amateur Radio Station N5MEI | |Richardson, TX 75085| Voice/Fax: 214-231-3998 | - .... .- - ... .- .-.. .-.. ..-. --- .-.. -.- ... " 8299,4,"From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen) Subject: Re: Asante EN/SC PB adaptor won't work with duo 230 Originator: peterco@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 23 Bill Kurland (bill@panix.com) wrote: : I guess this changes my opinion of them and I thought I would warn : any prospective customers for the EN/SC PB. FWIW, I work for FOCUS Enhancements, and a lot of the people we sell our EtherLAN SC/SC-T (our SCSI Ethernet interface) are disgruntled EN/SC users. : I also now need to know if anyone has been successful with the : comparable product from Dayna or Focus. I really don't want to use up : that NuBus slot. *Sigh*. I wish I had better news. The FOCUS EtherLAN SC is currently incompatible with the Duos. This may change in the future. We do have Apple Register Compatible cards that are 100% compatible with the DuoDocks, though. Send questions to focus@applelink.apple.com. -- +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Peter A. Cohen | I'd rather be telecommuting. | +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ " 8300,16,"From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Re: Blast them next time X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 35 In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. > >The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored >transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use >more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to >do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they >must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. > >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. > >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. > I HOPE THAT YOU ARE IN THE WAY OF THE NOBLE FEDERAL ENFORCERS and are blown away accidently by the governments goons. You would cheer the death to 25 childern? This is the sort of person who served as a death camp guard. -- Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | " 8301,11,"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 29 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article >holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > > >> Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your >>crypto keys? I wouldn't. > >I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure. >Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . > Are you sure you aren't being watched? Let me remind you that Watergate was only the tip of the iceberg. Nixon extensively used the NSA to watch people because he didn't like them. According to _Decrypting the Puzzle Palace_: Presumably, the NSA is restricted from conducting American surveillance by both the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978(FISA) and a series of presidential directives, beginning with one issued by President Ford following Richard Nixon's bold misuse of the NSA, in which he explicitly directed the NSA to conduct widespread domestic surveillance of political dissidents and drug users. Of course, just because there are laws saying the gov't is not supposed to conduct illegal surveillance doesn't mean those laws can't be broken when they are in the way. Doug Holland " 8302,6,"From: keith@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil Subject: Tektronix 453 scope for sale Article-I.D.: radio.621 Lines: 19 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA26712; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:58 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA16134; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:53 -0700 X-To: misc.forsale.usenet Tektronix 453 scope for sale: - 50MHz bandwidth - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) - delayed sweep - works fine - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) - no probes - $275 + shipping Email me for more info... Regards, Keith ---- Keith Kanoun, WA2Q kdk@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil " 8303,8,"From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools Article-I.D.: ra.1993Apr6.011730.877 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2"" deep >well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2"" bolt or >nut? > > When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"" >deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!! Looking into the >socket, it appears that Craftsman's toolmaker attempted to imitate flank drive >on this piece, but did not account for the extra clearance needed inside the >socket. Never had any problem with mine... Are you *SURE* the nut/bolt you are trying is really a 1/2"" hex? 13mm is just slightly larger... and a 1/2 wrench won't fit on a GM 13mm nut (my 91 GMC pickup has several 13mm nuts on it... really annoying, metric threads too. Seems that most of the body is metric, most of the engine is SAE). -- --=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- \ 89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale! / \ 79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl / \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ " 8304,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Top Ten Responses to Ed's Top Ten Lists Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 16 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) says: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) write >s: > >The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? No. The REAL question: Should the Feds bail-out IBM ( a la Chrysler ) so that important $80K manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? It could be part of the ""Jobs Bill"" " 8305,1,"From: disser@engin.umich.edu (David Disser) Subject: 2D bitmap interpolation Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: vesuvius.engin.umich.edu Yesterday I wrote a program to do bilinear interpolation ala Numerical Recipes, with the PBMPLUS libraries. I'm pretty happy with the results, but I'm looking for any already-coded non-linear interpolation schemes before I go ahead an try to write one. Any pointers? -- ) Dave Disser UM-CAEN User Services Wealth is wasted ) disser@engin.umich.edu 229 Chrysler Center on the old. ) (313) 763-3067 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2092 " 8306,9,"From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance ""Squiddie"" Smith) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Nntp-Posting-Host: myria.cs.umn.edu Organization: The Little Projective Squids of the Poor Distribution: na Lines: 28 In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: > >jayson stark (i think that's him) fits perfectly in this category. Could be. There is a Jayson Stark that writes weekly for some press syndicate and also for Baseball America. >anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll > have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. > >if, at the end of april, he has 11, and anyone writes ""at this > pace, he'll have 100+ homers!"" they shouldbe shot too. Stark has done this sort of thing, but he has never been serious about it. He usually states that this sort of projection is useless at the top of such columns. I think he did it one season and some manager was ""projected"" to be thrown out of 60 games and some hitter could expect to be plunked 150 times. Stark does some really funny stuff. His weekly baseball reviews are good collections of strange things that happened during the previous week. He also regularly prints Kinerisms. ============================= Lance ""Cr2O3.2H2O"" Smith | ""Moments after being named manager for the (lsmith@cs.umn.edu) | Oakland A's, Mr Peanut was crushed by a Special Limited Edition | red headed loner wielding an aluminum bat."" r.s.bb .signature | _Murder at the Mausoleum_ " 8307,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 20 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) says: > >""It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible >organization of such men and women, who having themselves found >the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the >burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, >and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be >guided. >""While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. >have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of >the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, >yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics > Up to that point I thought you were talking about the Rosicrucian Order... :-) [No offense intended!] Tony " 8308,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 39 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes: [Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] >8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec. If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE come from? SCSI is not complex. It is just the way the industry uses and talks about it. There are THREE key differences in SCSI; the controller chip, the port, and the software. THAT IS IT. Let us look as SCSi in from THIS stand point. SCSI-1: asynchronous and synchronous modes {SOFTWARE SCSI DRIVER ONLY} asynchronous is slower then synchronous mode {only 0-3MB/s vs. 0-5MB/s} synchronous speeds can be reached by most SCSi-1 divices with a rewrite of the software driver {As is the case for the Mac Quadra.} SCSI-2 {8-bit}: THIS is the main source for the confusion. This differs from SCSI-1 ONLY in the controler chip in most machines. In the Mac and some PCs this is called 'fast SCSI-1' because it uses SCSI-1 ports and software drivers AND can produce SCSI-2 SPEEDS through SCSI-1 INSPITE of this even in the slower asynchronous mode. Average speed in asynchronous SCSi-1 mode 4-6MB/s with 8MB/s{See in both Quadras and higher end PCs} Synchronous mode just allows a higher burst rate {10/MB/s} SCSI-2 {16-bit}: TWO versions-Wide/Fast. Wide SCSI-2 requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: a SCSI-2 software driver and a wide SCSI port on the machine and the external device. Fast SCSI-2 also requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: SCSI-2 driver software and that the RECIEVING devise support 16-bit fast SCSI-2. Speed of both is the same: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst. SCSI-2 {32-bit}: Also know as Wide AND Fast SCSI. Over 8-bit SCSI-2 this requires: SCSI-2 driver software, wide SCSI-2 port, and that the RECIEVING devices ALSO have a 32-bit mode SCSI-2 chip. As expected this is VERY expencive. Speed: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s bursts As I said SIMPLE. Seven versions of SCSI seperated by software, the controler chip, and the port. Standarize the SOFTWARE and it DROPS to only FIVE versions of SCSI seperate by only HARDWARE {the chip and the port} " 8309,16,"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card In-Reply-To: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)'s message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 07:24:55 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com> Lines: 72 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no Gun clubs: If you are a member you CAN borrow weapons....(Suprised??) You are supposed to train with a .22 for the 6 months, THEN you can start with anything bigger. Drivers licence: Forgot that USA is THE land of cars..... Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy. Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather...... But we think this is acceptable because a car is NOT a toy, and bad drivers tend to hurt OTHERS. (If you are really bad, you WON'T get a lincence!) Abuse by the goverment: This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control would just be abused by the goverment.(!) Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) Guns 'n Criminals: MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe), we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns. Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! Someone said that if we 'ban' guns we'd have to ban cars to, because they 'kill' to... I don't think we should argue on this one..... ;) The issue (I hope..): I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem. Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??) I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia: They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns. If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, it's the 'axer' ?? (An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...) Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) Don't flame the Englishmen because of Northern Irland, they have gun control that works (in England) and fonds from USA are one of the reasons why IRA can bomb innocents... (Something about throwing stones in glass houses...) Don't flame them because of what to (three?) children did either. (Can an Jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace??) (YES!) (My numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot-guns are from the police and the Statistisk Sentralbyraa) (understood that one Sorenson??) LAST WORD: Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if you want to protect your citicens. This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no " 8310,13,"From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) Subject: Glutamate Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes: > From the N.E.J.Med. editorial: ""The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate > is not only an essential amino acid ... Glutamate is not an essential amino acid. People can survive quite well without ever eating any. -- Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x ""f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q s q=p#f"" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8 " 8311,15,"From: hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Doing the work of God??!!) Lines: 59 Desiree Bradley (Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca) asked us whether we should think of the Serbs as doing God's work in Bosnia. I've refrained from posting, in hope that someone who is more familiar with the OT than I would answer. But at this point I feel I have to say something. Many things about this posting bother me. I know of not the slightest suggestion in the NT that Christians should use force to propagate the Gospel, and the idea that we should not be concerned about the death of Moslems violates the heart of the Gospel. Christ died to break down these distinctions. In him there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female. If Moslems do not know him, we may preach to them, but we don't kill them. Furthermore, the attack is between states, not religions. There are Christians being attacked as well. One of the towns under attack is one of the few places where Christians and Moslems are living together peacefully. The precedents being suggested are from the OT. There are in fact two different things being alluded to. The first is from the entry into Canaan. For that to be a parallel, we would need for God to have promised this land through a prophet. And we would need the war to be a holy war. There were tight constraints on behavior in those attacks. Any violations were likely to cause the Israelites to be defeated. Rape would not have been tolerated. While the accounts in Joshua emphasize towns that were totally destroyed, note that it was possible for a town to make peace with the Israelites, and that once that was done -- even when deception was involved -- they were expected to honor it. In contrast, there have been many violations of agreement in this incident. I see no evidence that God has granted Bosnia to the Serbs as a promised land, and if he had, their behavior would have disqualified this from being a holy war. The other OT parallel is from later, when Israel was defeated by Assyria and Babylonia. The prophets saw this as a judgement on Israel for her sins. Someone asks whether we shouldn't see this as a judgement on the Bosnians for their sins. This sounds like a replay of the old claim that we shouldn't have doctors or hospitals because illness is God's judgement. Yes, even bad things may be used by God for good. That includes actions of bad people. But that doesn't justify them. If you read the prophets, you find them very clear that in attacking Israel, the Assyrians and Babylonians were acting as *unintentional* agents of God. Their intent was to attack God's people, and they would be judged for it. The fact that they were actually carrying out God's plan didn't excuse their action. Furthermore, we shouldn't conclude from this that all attacks are judgements from God. God explicitly interpreted that case, through his prophets. As far as I know, he did not send any prophets to Bosnia. While I find it hard to see any good in the current fighting, I am sure God will eventually make good come out of bad. But that doesn't justify it, and it won't save the people who are doing it from judgement. I am particularly concerned about the implications of this issue because of current tensions between the West and Moslem-oriented nations. What we do not need is for Moslems to conclude that Christians think it's OK to kill Moslems. The implications for the mid-East, and even relations with American Moslems, could be quite serious. " 8312,19,"From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: facman kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes: >I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel ""Sarum"" a scene in >which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a >secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered >with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on >the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the >worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of >rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is >related to the Mithras cult? > >I don't know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter. >The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which >take place are largely based on historical accounts. There is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell's _Occidental_Mythology_. He also described levels of initiation, I think 6? I don't know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he was being a little eclectic. >I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull >cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some >Mediterranean cultures. Quite a bit. If you haven't read Campbell, give him a try. -- -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 " 8313,9,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Baseball spreads? Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 8 How does one read the betting spreads for baseball? They tend to be something like 8-9 which means it must not be runs! Thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8314,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Blow up space station, easy way to do it. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.184527.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu This might a real wierd idea or maybe not.. I have seen where people have blown up ballons then sprayed material into them that then drys and makes hard walls... Why not do the same thing for a space station.. Fly up the docking rings and baloon materials and such, blow up the baloons, spin then around (I know a problem in micro gravity) let them dry/cure/harden? and cut a hole for the docking/attaching ring and bingo a space station.. Of course the ballons would have to be foil covered or someother radiation protective covering/heat shield(?) and the material used to make the wals would have to meet the out gasing and other specs or atleast the paint/covering of the inner wall would have to be human safe.. Maybe a special congrete or maybe the same material as makes caplets but with some changes (saw where someone instea dof water put beer in the caplet mixture, got a mix that was just as strong as congret but easier to carry around and such..) Sorry for any spelling errors, I missed school today.. (grin).. Why musta space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be confined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not earth, why be limited by earth based ideas?? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked going crazy in Nome Alaska, break up is here.. " 8315,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ? Keywords: VRAM Quadra 800 Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 15 wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes: >I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS do I >need to buy? None. You need to buy 2 80ns 256k VRAM SIMMs. They cost about $30 each from your favorite memory distributor. >Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take out the >current VRAM before I add more? The 512k is soldered to the logic board. There are 2 SIMM slots for expansion. -Hades " 8316,16,"From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Keywords: Nata thing !! Nntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu Reply-To: Matthew Hamilton Organization: Kent State University CS Lines: 33 In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: > > Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. > > You sick bastard. > -- > > cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, > OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... > Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said that it was right to shoot ""THOSE kind"" of babies. However it was the Branch Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their ""savior"" (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their lives for <<<>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and for many of the rest of the U.S. I am however sad to hear of the death of any child unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | | CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | | Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 8317,15,"From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) Subject: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 13 Coming from a long line of ""hot tempered"" people, I know temper when I see it. One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic. We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were ""spiritually hungry."" Instead of answering questions with sweetness and sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, ""flame"" the queries. You don't need any enemies. You already do yourselves the greatest harm. Again I say, foolish, foolish, foolish. " 8318,0,"Subject: Re: There must be a creator! (Maybe) From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 24 In article <16BA1E927.DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter) writes: > > Science is wonderful at answering most of our questions. I'm not the type >to question scientific findings very often, but... Personally, I find the >theory of evolution to be unfathomable. Could humans, a highly evolved, >complex organism that thinks, learns, and develops truly be an organism >that resulted from random genetic mutations and natural selection? [...stuff deleted...] Computers are an excellent example...of evolution without ""a"" creator. We did not ""create"" computers. We did not create the sand that goes into the silicon that goes into the integrated circuits that go into processor board. We took these things and put them together in an interesting way. Just like plants ""create"" oxygen using light through photosynthesis. It's a much bigger leap to talk about something that created ""everything"" from nothing. I find it unfathomable to resort to believing in a creator when a much simpler alternative exists: we simply are incapable of understanding our beginnings -- if there even were beginnings at all. And that's ok with me. The present keeps me perfectly busy. -jim halat " 8319,7,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 35 In <1993Apr14.045526.21945@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >In article <1qg19v$5ju@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Mark Hartman) writes: >> >> I don't know why you are complaining about 130. Alot of us have cars that >>can easily top that. Most that go 130 are built to do it also and can handle >>the speed. Why complain and just join in on the fast fun ? Can I ask. >>Have any of you been at the speed of 130 ? Its a rush. >Driving 130 in a straight line is fine, you very soon become aclimated >to it. It's only a rush when there are corners that you don't >think you can make. >On a clear autobahn, 130 is nothing. In the U.S. 99% of people and >all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade >people otherwise. Sure, but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to drive quickly and they say my Probe will do 130, but that's 30 more than I've ever tried in it cause there isn't a decent enough piece of road hereabouts. >Craig >> >>-- >> Mark Hartman mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu >> Kalamazoo, MI bk405@cleveland.freenet.edu >> ""I'm naked in the school!"" - Sleepyhead - >> Bob " 8320,7,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jay Lorenzana Subject: Eagle Talon TSi--LEMON? Lines: 22 Dear Netters: I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD. Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid! In particular, the manual transmission, electrical system, and brakes were below par (in both models). A friend of mine ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads), one stuck valve, and some clutch/transmission problem, something about sticking/grinding into second gear. This doesn't seem too bad if one ""beats"" on his car. I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks. Seems you have to pay big buck if you want all three. Anyway can anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it. Thanks for any responses! -Jay " 8321,15,"From: bluelobster+@cmu.edu (David O Hunt) Subject: Conversions Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 13 On 12-Apr-93 in Environmentalism and paganism user Michael Covington@aisun3 writes: >I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ >paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. > >Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. >Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. And what of those of us who already have answers to their questions without turning to christianity (or, in my case, any religion)? Whay RIGHT do you have to presume to lecture me about what I should believe?? David Hunt " 8322,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Distribution: na Lines: 8 random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche) writes: >Yes, ""Clipper"" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used >in some of thier workstations. I wonder what Intergraph is going to >do to this infringement on thier name sake? Probably keep quiet and take it, lest they get their kneecaps busted. -- Good news. Ten weeks from Friday will be a good day. " 8323,7,"From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > ... > Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for > R12. You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning Society > (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per > retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash those > R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very shaky > technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst). > ... Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies keep us all from getting. Mark " 8324,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 21 In article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: >My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York >City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks >really sharp. Funny you should mention this; one time on HNIC Don Cherry pointed out Vanbiesbrouck's mask. He _hated_ it. I think he said something to the effect of: ""You see? He was great last year; now he goes out and gets that dopey mask and he can't stop a beachball!"" You may or may not take Cherry seriously at all, but I cracked up when I heard it. I think Ed Belfour has the current best mask in the NHL btw. I also like Moog's, and I'll give Fuhr's new one an honourable mention, although I haven't seen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!). What's also neat is Chevaldae's in Detroit; they call him ""Chevy"" so he has two checkered flags painted at the top as in an auto race. " 8325,6,"From: Michelle Zumbo Subject: DARKROOM SUPPLIES/ENLARGER Organization: Athletics and Physical Education, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu FOR SALE: * Besler 23C II Enlarger (including filters & negative carriers) * Darkroom supplies (containers, trays, thermometer, beakers, paper focuser, etc...I also have paper & chemicals, but I think these 2 are past expiration date) Everything is in great working condition. I bought it about a year ago and it has served its purpose well. It hasn't been used it in a few months because I don't have the time or money to keep up with it and its just sitting in my bathroom taking up space I'd like to use. So, I'd like to sell it to someone who would use it rather than it collect dust in my bathroom. If you are interested in the whole package, I will sell everything (including shipping) for $300. If you have something else in mind, I'm open to suggestions. Please reply to this account. Thank you... Michelle " 8326,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: opinions of RC2 alg. Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 18 Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: > It is interesting to note in this regard that permission to export > PKZIP's encryption scheme has twice been denied by NSA. Draw you own > conclusions. Uh, I'm afraid that your information is slightly out of date... PKWare has obtained a license to export their program to the whole world, except a very limited list of countries... Draw your own conclusions about the strength of the algorithm... :-) Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 8327,11,"From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Subject: Clipper considered harmful Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 48 If Clipper comes to cellular phones along with legal proscriptions against using other cipher systems on these phones, a new and potentially dangerous class of crime is created. Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications (specifically the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow cite as threats) will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a legitimate user, and to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery of compromise of the device will be delayed. Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other means. Because life-is-cheap criminals are currently willing to kill people to steal very large and conspicuous property (luxury cars), it is reasonable to assume that they will be willing to kill people to steal small and inconspicuous property (a cipher cellular phone). Just as we have seen in the past with ""blue box"" technology, and in the present with modified cellular phones, we can expect to see among high-stakes criminals a lucrative market for stolen cipher phones which can be used for a few days. The high-stakes criminals will pay the life-is-cheap types substantial amounts for stolen instruments. Because a person is typically discovered as missing or dead in a few days, a stolen instrument will be usable for only a few days. There will be a continuing demand for fresh phones: fresh bodies. In other words, Clipper and similar systems have the potential to turn a current inconvenience to law enforcement into a direct, vicious, and persistent threat to the general public. On the other hand, if a criminal were to apply some arbitrary cipher to a device in a mostly non-ciphered network, the communication will at least stand out as being unusual, and perhaps worthy of other means of investigation. Finally, because there is essentially no possibility of intercepting in realtime the scrutable content of communications between stolen instruments, there will exist strong motivation to record and archive _all_ communications in the network for ex-post-facto scrutiny (once some criminal act is discovered, and the instruments involved have been identified). While recording and archiving may not be feasible for wireline networks, it is probably feasible across the more limited bandwidth of radio networks. The existence of these recordings could open up vast potential for abuse. Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad Petaluma, CA " 8328,19,"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Subject: Re: Info about New Age! Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 12 In article <1qvnu9$a8a@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> hawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: >Greetings! Could anybody here give me any information about New Age religion? >About the history, the teachings, ...??? Or may be suggestions what books I >should read in order to get those info? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Contact: WATCHMAN FELLOWSHIP P.O. Box 171194 Holladay, UT 84117-1194 Ask for their book: The New Age and Space Age Heresies The New Age In Our Schools " 8329,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: JPL In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > Using a model of Mars Observer, Albee spent several minutes >describing the project and the spacecraft's features. In answer >to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed >drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only >a concept."" Chahine, who had met Hawking at Caltech about five Too bad they didn't give him a tour of the CGRO data? I think he'd be fascinated by the Gamma ray bursters. The mind of hawking might even propose a mechanism. SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? carries an aluminum-gold set of grateful dead albums? inquiring minds want to know? And why would MO carry any features for being drag free? I thought aero-braking was a possible MO experimental activity? pat " 8330,15,"From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 13 Undoubtedly people adopt atheism for many reasons, but I suspect that a biggie is that the God they've believed in is (in J.B. Phillips's words) ""too small"". If a person's understanding of God is not allowed to grow and develop, it will eventually become inadequate. The grey-haired gentleman on a throne who was a comforting image in childhood becomes a joke. A therapist friend of mine sometimes suggests to her clients that they ""fire God"". What she means by that is letting go of an inadequate understanding of God to make room for a fuller one. But she follows up by encouraging them to ""hire a new one"". My guess is that a lot of folks go through the firing process, but are not adequately supported in the subsequent re-hire. billh " 8331,7,"From: Eric_Thomas@mindlink.bc.ca (Eric Thomas) Subject: 1962 thunderbird Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 4 I just bought a 1962 T-BIRD and would like any info on a club in and around the the B.C. coast. Eric Thomas " 8332,4,"From: joshc@csa.bu.edu (Josh Carroll) Subject: Racet Optical Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 13 Originator: joshc@csa I've got a Racet 5.25"" MO Drive with a Ricoh RO-5030E mechanism with the new ROMs... The thing is, I have a new TOSOH Optical Disk 512/bytes per sector cart for the thing that refuses to mount or be formatted... all the carts that I have for the drive that work are Racet Certified Media 512k/sector carts... All I can think of is that this TOSOH cart uses some kind of incompatible low level format... anyone know what software will allow this to be formatted on this drive? or a new DIP setting for the mechanism? I've tried just about every combination of drivers and custom formatting programs I can find with no luck... any ideas? joshc@csa.bu.edu (if you have a good idea, please e-mail it to this address if possible, I can't check this newsgroup constantly, thanks) " 8333,15,"From: sciysg@nusunix1.nus.sg (Yung Shing Gene) Subject: Mission Aviation Fellowship Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 3 Hi, Does anyone know anything about this group and what they do? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! " 8334,3,"From: JMARTTILA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Fast-Eddie Felson) Subject: TRIDENT 8800CS DRIVERS FOR WIN 3.1? Organization: Turku School of Economics X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 15 Hello I've got an old Trident 8800CS SVGA card, but lacking suitable drivers for windows 3.1. The drivers for the 8900 series seem to be incompatible. Does anyone have an idea of where to get these drivers? Address for an ftp-site would be nice. Thanks in advance Jouni _______________________________________________________________________________ Jouni Marttila - Yo-kyl{ 11 B 25, 20540 Turku, FINLAND - +358 21 374624____ jmarttila@abo.fi - jmarttila@finabo - abovax::jmarttila - jjmartti@utu.fi__ PGP-key available via finger jmarttila@abo.fi ___________________________ " 8335,8,"From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage) Subject: Re: Help with backpack Keywords: backpack, rucksack, knee protection Article-I.D.: weber.ramage.734101015 Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 33 sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes: >As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made... >Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local >state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. >The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given >the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12"" high) and >was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest. >Any one have any experiences on such experimentation? >Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully >loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to >be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load >clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, >do I still increase my chances of surfing? I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag. I take the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn signals. I works fine. You probably will want to attach it with a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another. |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| | Dan Ramage |ramage@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu | |'86 Vulcan 750 |DoD#0798 | |""I wanted a Harley, but I haven't won the lottery yet."" | |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| |""Them bats is smart, they use radar."" -D. Letterman | |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| " 8336,16,"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 48 In article <121415@netnews.upenn.edu> egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi) writes: :In article <1993Apr16.222604.18331@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: :|> In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes: :|> >wrong about the whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the :|> :|> Why? If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all. :|> : :Aha. That's the part that makes me nervous too. Who gets to decide if :I am a threat? Based on appearance? Would someone feel more threatened : Actions determine whether someone presents a threat... and I don't carry a gun so much for people, cause I tend to fade if there are any about, but due to several encounters with formerly domestic dogs... these critters ain't scared of folks, and can get aggressive. :on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun. Softly I backed :away, and hiked another 5 miles to get *out of there*. I'll freely admit it here: :I'm not afraid of guns; I'm afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry. : I'd count that as a fear of guns... somebody having the sense to keep their weapons maintained isn't as likely to present a threat. The Army taught me to clean any weapons DAILY, since they usually need it, regardless of whether they've been used... You'd be amazed how sweaty a holster can get, or how much trail dust will get in it. And I guess you'd be scared of me and my former Explorer Post... seems the advisors were National Guard Special Forces grunts, and considered it heresy to be out in the woods without a weapon... course, usually you wouldn't notice 'em... :) They tended to avoid public scrutiny... :Of course, that may be the way to solve the solitude problem. Just carry a gun :and display it prominently, and one probably won't see most of the other hikers :out there, who will be hiding in the woods. 1/2 :-) : : - Dania My 9mm goes in a hip holster, mixed in with magazine pouches (hold lotsa stuff in them), canteens, knives, compasses, and such... Not so easy to notice, in the off chance I decide to be visible... I prefer not to be, since walking quietly away from active areas increases the number of non-human type critters I see... James -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** " 8337,3,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: : I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from : my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot : from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But : if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that : it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick : for me.) : : Thanks, : Davebo We had the same issue plague us for months on our Gateway. I finally got tired of it so I permanently interchanged the drives. The only reason I didn't do it in the first place was because I had several bootable 5-1/4's and some 5-1/4 based install disks which expected the A drive. I order all new software (and upgrades) to be 3-1/2 and the number of ""stupid"" install programs that can't handle an alternate drive are declining with time - the ones I had are now upgraded. And as for the bootable 5-1/4's I just cut 3-1/2 replacements. If switching the drives is not an option, you might be able to wire up a drive switch to your computer chasis. I haven't tried it but I think it would work as long as it is wired carefully. Gordon Lang " 8338,14,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 49 hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: >In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au >(Enzo Liguori) writes: >> hideous vision of the future. Observers were >>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >>pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*. >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. >If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in >terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are, >selling every bit that promises to make money? I guess we really >deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. ""Stupidity wins"". I >guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers. > Another depressed planetary citizen, > hoover This isn't inherently bad. This isn't really light pollution since it will only be visible shortly before or after dusk (or during the day). (Of course, if night only lasts 2 hours for you, you're probably going to be inconvienenced. But you're inconvienenced anyway in that case). Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, and most of us aren't Indo European; those people speaking Indo-Eurpoean languages often have much non-indo-european ancestry and cultural background. So: please try to remember that there are more human activities than those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the Priesthood. And why act distressed that someone's found a way to do research that doesn't involve socialism? It certianly doesn't mean we deserve to die. -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 8339,2,"From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: RE: Can I Change """"Licensed To"""" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 12 Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu Ok, then where is the info for the Licensing kept? Which file? In the organization box I put my address, and when I moved, I wanted to change it, but couldn't find it. I could find my name, but not the organization. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 8340,1,"From: doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 10 FOMBARON marc (fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr) wrote: : Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? : Thank you for helping No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading. douginoz " 8341,13,"Subject: Need Help in Steroid Research From: tthomps@eis.calstate.edu (Thomas Thompson) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 8 I am doing a term paper on steroids, actually the scientist who helped crate the drug. I discovered that Joseph Fruton is one of the researchers who helped create anabolic steroids. The only information on this person I know is he was a biochemist that did research in the 1930's. I already did research at my local libraries, but I still need more information. My instructor is requiring resources from the computer networks. Please write back concerning my subject, any books, articles, etc., will be appreciated. " 8342,7,"From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: The Kuebelwagen??!! Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 12 Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? A replica would be great I think. -TKH '93 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I can convert a C=128 to a C128T, I can do anything... NOT!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 8343,2,"From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: Video cards with BNC connectors? Organization: University of Kentucky Lines: 14 Hello, I just recently bought a NEC 6FG. In order to get the highest possible quality and refresh rates, I'd like to know if there are any accelerator cards with BNC connectors (as opposed to the usual d-sub connector)? Thanks for any information, -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home) " 8344,6,"From: gt4661a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt4661a gt4661a PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY) Subject: Computer For Sale Distribution: atl Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 5 -- PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt4661a Internet: gt4661a@prism.gatech.edu " 8345,7,"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.214754.23608 Distribution: na Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 52 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr6.195710.24227@cs.tulane.edu> finnegan@navo.navy.mil writes: >In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: >|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: >|> >> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR >|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service >|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" >|> > >|> >And my number 1: >|> > >|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". >|> >|> Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the >|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. > >Hey, I'm a ""Macho Real Man"" and I DO read it. So I can criticize >it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They >accept no outside advertising, don't you know....) > >|> John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ >|> ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ >|> something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ >|> wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ > >Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like >letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture. > >Kenneth >finnegan@navo.navy.mil No one should EVER rely on just a magazine to determine what car they buy, I don't care what magazine. Btw, I subscribe to three other auto rags, I just think CU is getting a bum rap by these macho men from hell who think real men should read . . . . Statements like what you said above have no meaning. People keep on saying ""CU is only good for dishwashing detergent"" or as you said:""Relying on Consumer Reports . . . . is like. . ."" and that is all they say. If there were as critical of themsevles as they are of CU maybe there would be some real content. john -- John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ " 8346,15,"From: sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman) Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian Organization: Washington & Lee University Lines: 21 Steven R Hoskins (18669@bach.udel.edu) wrote: : Hi, : I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. : ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and : quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying : to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful : to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other : relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would : like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological : works intended for a lay person? I'd recommend McDowell's ""Evidence that Demands a Verdict"" books (3 I think) and Manfred Brauch's ""Hard Sayings of Paul"". He also may have done ""Hard Sayings of Jesus"". My focus would be for a new Christian to struggle with his faith and be encouraged by the historical evidence, especially one who comes from a background which emphasizes knowable faith. -- Scott Dittman email: sdittman@wlu.edu University Registrar talk: (703)463-8455 fax: (703)463-8024 Washington and Lee University snail mail: Lexington Virginia 24450 " 8347,11,"From: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov.cr.usgs.gov (Noel S. Gorelick) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: MercWorks, Denver X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 24 Alan Barrett (barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za) wrote: > In article , > clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: > >> In making this decision, I do >> not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the >> government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that >> are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- >> escrow system. > > ""In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from > developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits > or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."" > Doesn't this just mean that the government might not approve something for use by other government agencies. This does not sound to me to be any form of threat that Joe User can't develop and use his own encryption algorithm. -- ""You want it should sing too?"" | /* Yeah we got dogs and Valvoline ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov | Its a pretty damn good time. */ ""Life is pain. Anyone that tells you different is trying to sell you something"" " 8348,0," uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith Subject: Re: My personal objection is that I find capital punishment to be >cruel and unusual punishment under all circumstances. It can be painless, so it isn't cruel. And, it has occurred frequently since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual. >I don't take issue with the numbers. A single innocent life taken >is one too many. But, innocents die due to many causes. Why have you singled out accidental or false execution as the one to take issue with? keith " 8349,7,"From: firman@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (B B S) Subject: Re: VIPER News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ Lines: 10 In article , rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes... > >Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper. >I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge, >and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket. >Wierd dream, I wonder what it means.... > You probably should told you dad to buy that car, than your dream might come true. " 8350,8,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Newbie Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 16 In article , os048@xi.cs.fsu.edu () writes: |> hey there, |> Yea, thats what I am....a newbie. I have never owned a motorcycle, This makes 5! It IS SPRING! |> Matt |> PS I am not really sure what the purpose of this article was but...oh well Neither were we. Read for a few days, then try again. --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 8351,1,"From: weilej@cary115.its.rpi.edu (Jason Lee Weiler) Subject: Re: need a viewer for gl files Nntp-Posting-Host: cary115.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: weilej@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 17 In article <1qu36i$kh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: |> Hi, |> |> the subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)? |> |> Thanks |> |> |> Dominik |> Dominik, Have you tried xgrasp? It's out there on several ftp sites.(not sure which, but archie can find it, I'm sure.) It works ok but it lacks an interface. -Jason Weiler " 8352,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 23 grady@netcom.com suggests using a common but restricted-distribution private key to allow public key system encrypted postings. In theory that will work fine as long as the privae key remains secure. In practice it would be a good idea to check to see if that would be a violation of some net rule, practice, custom, etc. I don't say it would be, just that it would be a good idea to check. This is not like rot13 where everybody can have the key trivially. It would also be a good idea to check to see if such posts would be forwarded by the sites needed to make the chain work. Of course there'd be no problem with a discussion group travelling over facilities entirely under the control of the members. Probably there would also be no problem with a mailing list approach. It might even be fun for some. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 8353,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Lines: 23 : The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to : listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but : cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users : and fixed installations can talk to each other. For cellular to cellular : calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another : base-station and re-encrypted. The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled : call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's : equipment. The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can : listen without having to obtain a warrant. : But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant : to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see : above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway). I have my doubts, : but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a : warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want. `Well, Judge, : it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop : listening in'... That was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about building end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip. It's *not* for cellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest) G " 8354,10,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Ulf and all... Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Richard Wernick (richard@amc.com) wrote: : You should be ashamed to call yourself an Ulf Samuelson fan. Anybody who plays : the way he does, does not belong in the NHL. There have been cheap shot artists : through the history of the game, but a lot of them have been talanted players. : Bobby Clarke, Kenny Linsemen, Pie McKenzie, Chris Chelios etc.. but nobody has been : out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as Ulf. Violence in hockey has got to be curbed : and players like (Should have been a Women) Samuelson don't belong. When players : like Ulf, who's main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed : to continue, and the league won't stop it, the players should. A Christian Pro 1000 : aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely. If the Bruins get : a chance to meet Pittsburgh in the near future, you can bet Neely will have his day. : The sight of watching Ulf turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a : Stanely Cup. This wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers : in the game. If you are to remove Ulf Samuelson from the lineup, the Penguins would not : even notice he's gone. He's an eyesore on the game of hockey. : Rich Thank you for your extremely lucid and well thought out observation. Now when you get back on your medication, please let us know how you are feeling. Thank you, -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 8355,4,"From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) Subject: Re: High Resolution ADC for Mac II Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex33.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 24 In article <1qidk1INNhk9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rob Douglas wrote: > > In article <1qhfmg$hoh@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Charles E. Cunningham, > cec@imager writes: > > I would like to buy a 16 bit ADC card for the Mac II with digitization > >rate of at least 100 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. I would prefer one with > >good differential and integral linearity, and DMA would be a plus. Other > >than National Instruments, do you know of any other vendor who sells such > >a card? > > Instrutech Corp has a nice looking 16 bit A/D and D/A board that can run > at the speeds you want. The ITC-16 (?) doesn't have DMA, but it does have > a good sized FIFO that can buffer your samples. Instrutech can be reached > at (516) 829-5942, or 929-0934 (FAX). > I don't know about the Instrutech boards (though I plan to check them out), but you need to be very careful checking the monotonicity and S/N ratio of many of the ""16 bit"" boards out there. The NI boards are very clearly specified in terms of monotonicity, S/N ratio, accuracy, etc; and the NB-A2100 and NB-A2150 have all the dyynamic range and freedom from distortion that you'd expect from a good, true 16 bit converter. This is not true for the Spectral Innovations boards, for example. " 8356,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam In-Reply-To: <1pqfic$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 32 >DATE: 5 Apr 1993 23:32:28 GMT >FROM: Jon Livesey > >In article <114127@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >|> >|> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic >|> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify >|> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, >|> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ >|> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting >|> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic >|> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than >|> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. > >Then Mr Mozumder is incorrect when he says that when committing >bad acts, people temporarily become atheists? > >jon. Of course B.M. is not incorrect. He is defending Islam. When defending Islam against infidels you can say anything and no one will dare criticize you. But when an atheist uses the same argument he is using ""petty sarcasm"". So B.M. can have his ""temporary atheists"" whenever he needs them and all the ""temporary atheists"" can later say that they were always good Muslims because they never explicitly rejected Islam. Temporary atheism, temporary Islam, temporary marriage. None of it sticks. A teflon religion. How convenient. And so easy to clean up after. But then, what would you expect from a bunch of people who can't even agree on the phases of the moon? " 8357,6,"From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger) Subject: INTEL FAX MODEM FOR SALE Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu I have an Intel SatisFAXtion Modem/100 INTERNAL for sale. It runs at 2400 baud data mode and up to 9600 baud as a Class 1 fax modem. It transmits up to 9600 baud (V.29) and receives up to 4800 baud (V.27 ter.) The modem has all original manuals and comes with software, icluding Intel's SatisFAXtion and FAXability, as well as Crosstalk Communicator I have used this modem less than an hour. It came with my computer and I already had another one. I would like to ask $50 for this modem, but will entertain all serious offers. Please email to jmu@acpub.duke.edu Thanks. " 8358,5,"From: yang@cs.umass.edu (Hong Yang) Subject: colormap question Organization: University of Massachusetts/Amherst Lines: 139 NNTP-Posting-Host: freya.cs.umass.edu Hi, Experts, I'm kind of new to X. The following question is strange to me. I am trying to modify the contents of the colormap but failed without reason (to me). I am using the following piece of code: toplevel = XtInitialize(argv[0], ""Testcolor"", NULL, 0, &argc, argv); dpy = XtDisplay(toplevel); scr = DefaultScreen(dpy); def_colormap = DefaultColormap(dpy,scr); if(XAllocColorCells(dpy, def_colormap, True, NULL, 0, cells, 5)) { color.pixel = cells[0]; color.red = 250; color.green = 125; color.blue = 0; color.flags = DoRed | DoGreen | DoBlue; XStoreColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf(""\n Try to allocate, the color %d as (%d,%d,%d)"", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); XQueryColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf(""\n After allocate, the color %d is (%d,%d,%d)"", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); } else printf(""\n Error: couldn't allocate color cells""); Running output: Try to allocate, the color 7 as (250,125,0) After allocate, the color 7 is (0,0,0) After XStoreColor(), XQueryColor() just returned the original value. No failure/error displayed but the contents of colormap are obvious unchanged. (I also tried to draw a line using the colors but it turned out to be the unmodified colors.) So what is my problem? How to modify the contents of the colormap? Any help/information will be appreciated. Please send mail to ""yang@cs.umass.edu"". -------------------------- William email: ""yang@cs.umass.edu"" -------------------------- By the way, the following is the environment I am using (output of ""xdpyinfo""). It shows the default visual is PseudoColor. version number: 11.0 vendor string: DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorporation UWS4.2 vendor release number: 1 maximum request size: 16384 longwords (65536 bytes) motion buffer size: 100 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 32, LSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 86, maximum 251 number of extensions: 8 Adobe-DPS-Extension DPSExtension SHAPE MIT-SHM Multi-Buffering XInputExtension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD DEC-XTRAP default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 1024x864 pixels (333x281 millimeters) resolution: 78x78 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 8 root window id: 0x29 depth of root window: 8 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x27 default number of colormap cells: 256 preallocated pixels: black 1, white 0 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES current input event mask: 0xd0001d KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask ColormapChangeMask number of visuals: 5 default visual id: 0x21 visual: visual id: 0x21 class: PseudoColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: StaticGray depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x24 class: StaticColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x25 class: TrueColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 8 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits number of mono multibuffer types: 5 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x21, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x22, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x23, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x24, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x25, 0, 8 number of stereo multibuffer types: 0 " 8359,10,"Subject: Travesty at the Joe Louis From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 17 (Detroit, April 19) In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Leafs could not be faulted, as they completely dominated the inferior Detroit squad and clearly deserved to win. Only the biased officiating of Andy Van Hellemond and the idiots that insisted upon throwing an octopus on the ice at every stoppage in an obvious attempt to distract the superior visiting side prevented an all-out massacre of the Wings by the league's best team. Alan P.S. This is sweet, Roger. So sweet. I look forward to the next installment on Wednesday night. I trust you do, too. " 8360,6,"From: hickson@pop.psu.edu (Darryl Hickson) Subject: 16 Space Rack FOR SALE (Lower Price) Article-I.D.: genesis.1prc8l$u63 Distribution: usa Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: zelinski.pop.psu.edu I am posting this message for a friend of mine who does not have a computer account, if you have any questions please call Dan at (814)238-1804. Equipment Rack For Sale ======================= 16 space EIA rack(19 in), carpet covered, on wheels. $125 + shipping " 8361,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Lines: 31 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 31 In article <11820@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) >Subject: Re: some thoughts. >Keywords: Dan Bissell >Date: 15 Apr 93 18:21:21 GMT >In article bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: >> >> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It >>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, >>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he >>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, >>in the process he became a Christian himself. > > This should be good fun. It's been a while since the group has > had such a ripe opportunity to gut, gill, and fillet some poor > bastard. > > Ah well. Off to get the popcorn... > >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM > >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' ve given me. Tammy " 8362,2,"From: dsiegel@optima.cs.arizona.edu (Seagull) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Lines: 54 >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember > reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. > The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not > as orthogonal is CISC. There are some things you might be interested to know about today's RISC processors. It is true that there are fewer instructions, but what is not commonly known is that this causes the size of your executables to swell, so that in some cases performance is similar for larger applications. As a compromise, many RISC processors today are actually a cross between a Reduced Instructions Set, and a Complex one. This is not to say that there is no future in CISC processors, Intel has certainly proved that. What I want to know, is what does this have to do with this group? -dave Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.net,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.misc,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,man.linux References: <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> From article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, by eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au: > In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >> >>Dear friend, >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > > hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember > reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. > The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not > as orthogonal is CISC. > > -- > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | > | eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Dave Siegel (DS4) President, RTD Systems and Networking, Inc. President, UofAz Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society (HACKS) dsiegel@cs.arizona.edu **** dsiegel@hacks.arizona.edu **** dsiegel@rtd.com " 8363,10,"From: JBE5 Subject: WFAN (STEVE & CHIEF ON 48 HOURS) Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Greetings! Steve Summers and the Chief were on 48 Hours last night shmoozing sports. I unfortunately missed it. Those of you who saw it, can you please provide a synopsis. Thanx. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Czar of Mainframe Computing McGill University ---> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL. ---> Habs...it doesn't look good! ---> Let's Go Expos! ====================================== | Peter Peter Pumkin Eater, | | Knew a chick but couldn't meet her.| | Saw her brother one fine day, | | Sucked his cock now he's gay! | | --Andrew Dice Clay | ====================================== DISCLAIMER: ************************************************************************ * Needless to say that the opinions expressed by THE CZAR represent * * those of the faculty, staff, and students of McGill University. * ************************************************************************ " 8364,9,"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 54 sbp002@acad.drake.edu said: >> In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >>>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball >>>being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run >>>prevented. >Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented. >Just as a penny saved is a penny earned. Enough with the cliches. It's not a cliche, and (unlike your comments below) it's not a tautology. It needn't have been true. If every pitcher in baseball were essentially the same in quality (i.e. if the variance of pitching ability were much smaller than the variance of batting ability), then scoring runs would be much more important than preventing them, simply because the *ability* to actively prevent runs would be much weaker. >My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to >their potential, they won't need much offensive support. If that's your point, you should have said so. What you in fact said was ""Pitching and defense win championships"", and later ""Pitching is the essence of baseball"". Neither of which says what you are now claiming was ""your point"", and neither of which is true. >It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the >mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most >runs wins. And you accuse Sherri of mouthing cliches!? >This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage >(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low >scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. It's not clear to me at all that this is true. In high-scoring games, the team with the better offense wins a high percentage of the time. In low- scoring games, the split is essentially 50/50 regardless of team ability. >They should have many >low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting. >On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players, >I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers. I thought you said ""pitching and defense win championships"" and ""pitching is the essence of baseball"". -- David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning | And in Denver they call you a slugger? ""The Big Catullus"" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!? " 8365,11,"From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Little to None Distribution: na Lines: 13 >> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just >>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions >>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from > >2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off >the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better, >I could probably come up with a _very_ good system. Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? -- Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards: 614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from. " 8366,13,"From: gmiller@worldbank.org (Gene C. Miller) Subject: Immunotherapy for Recurrent Miscarriage Organization: worldbank.org Lines: 17 Following a series of miscarriages, my wife was given a transfusion of my white cells. (The theory as I understand it is that there is some kind of immune blocking that prevents the body from attacking the pregnancy as it normally would a ""foreign"" body. Where this blocking is deficient, the body evicts the ""intruder"", resulting in a miscarriage. The white cells apparently enhance the blocking capability.) Following the transfusion, she successfully carried the next pregnancy to term, and Jake is now an active 9 month-old who cannot wait to walk. We're now thinking about having another child, but no one (including the OBGYN who supervised the first transfusion) really seems to know whether or not the transfusion process needs to be repeated for successive pregnancies. Is there anyone in net-land who has experience with this? Thanks...Gene (and Jane and Jake) P.S. I've also posted this in misc.kids. " 8367,17,"From: hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) Subject: Re: THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SOLD 400 TONES OF ARMENIAN BONES IN 1924. Keywords: April 24, 1993, 78th Anniversary of the Turkish Genocide of Armenians Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >On the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, >we remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an >emerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice. >In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed >de-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a >genocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively >ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The >result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen >and plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization >on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any >vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish >governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture >distortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In >the face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies >shamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy >merely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state >policy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a >crime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the >successful genocide of the Armenians. [ ... ] >ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR >-- >David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""Armenia has not learned a lesson in >S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the >P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it."" 4/14/93 >Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal To which I say: Hear, hear. Motion seconded. Hovig -- Hovig Heghinian University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Department of Computer Science " 8368,15,"From: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (There's a seeker born every minute.) Subject: -= Hell =- Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 98 atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) wrote: > Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell. >ME: ""Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"" >HIM: ""I don't believe in Heaven."" >ME: ""So are you going there?"" >HIM: ""If there was a heaven, I would."" >ME: ""But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"" >HIM: ""No."" > The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven, >there's no way you're going to be in it. Hmmm... people in the americas before the time of Christ, children who die young, etc. ? > Of course, the next step is, ""I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I >be there?"" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God. But of course, the popular conception of hell (correct or incorrect) is something akin to eternal perpetuation of consciousness, at the very least. >Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never >see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell. I think a good number of atheists believe there is nothing beyond bodily death, but it is simply an abuse of language to say they believe they're going to hell. They believe they're going to _die_. Understand that you've turned Hell into a verb. Using the same logic, it also follows that all animals are 'going to Hell.' Are you sure this is what you want to say? (presumably animals don't have the opportunity to get to heaven, but this still doesn't change the fact that they're going to Hell (die a final death)) I don't claim to know whether or not there is an afterlife of _some_ sort, but if Hell is as you described (final death, and not eternal perpetuation of consciousness) it will be true that there will never be a moment when I am aware of my non-existence. (assuming I 'go to Hell' and not to Heaven) In other words, I'll never know I'm dead. Hmmm... > Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal, Ever hear people say of a loved one who was ill, and has died: ""At least she's not suffering any more; She's in Heaven now."" ? Consider the following statement: ""At least she's not suffering any more; She's in Hell now."" The above statement sounds odd, but according to your definition of Hell, it would be a true statement. The person in Hell would not be suffering. Granted, they wouldn't be *anything* (wouldn't be having any conscious experience whatsoever). You say Hell (death) is eternal. However, this loses its meaning to a dead person. And to me, it seems that the threat of some sort of eternal punishment only makes sense/has force if one expects to be conscious throughout this eternity. Many atheists believe that the thirst for an afterlife is simply the product of propaganda (""Friend, do you want the FREE gift of e-ternal life?"" It's my understanding that the early jews did not believe in an afterlife. Can anyone back me up on this?) combined with the survival instinct all animals share. The difference is we have consciousness, and once we get the idea of eternal life drilled into our brains, we then desire a sort of super-survival. >and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters. That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and an eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King, I might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to convert Eskimos to Christianity in the book _The Illusion of Immortality_ by Corliss Lamont. The missionary started to speak about Heaven. ""Are there seals in heaven? Will we be able to go hunting?"" asked an Eskimo. The missionary said no. The group of Eskimos then said something to the effect of, ""Well what good is your Heaven if there's no hunting? Scram."" I highly recommend the above book (IOI) to anyone who wants an account of the other side of the immortality coin (that there is no immortality). >Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" >Oakland University, Rochester, MI >atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen >Rushing in where angels fear to tread. Pax, Dana " 8369,1,"From: 8910782@sunvax.sun.ac.za Subject: Rayshade query Article-I.D.: sunvax.1993Apr23.104107.5742 Organization: University of Stellenbosch Lines: 23 Hi there I am very interested in Rayshade 4.00. I have managed to make a chessboard for Rayshade. Unfortunately I still have to do the knight (horse). Any ideas? I am also looking for a surface for the chesspieces. The board is marble. Unfortunately black won't work very well for the one side. Anybody with ideas for nice surfaces? I would also like to use the image command of rayshade and the heightfield command. Unfortunately the manual is very vague about this, and I don't have Craig Kolb's email address. Anybody with ideas, because this is essential for my next venture into raytracing. Where should I post the finished chessboard? Is there anybody else using rayshade on non-Unix systems? How fast does Unix render? Thanks Rayshade is the best program for people who loves graphics, but have no artistic talent. " 8370,11,"Subject: Looking for MS-DOS crypto programs From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) Organization: La Trobe University X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 11 I am a new reader of sci.crypt I would like to obtain a copy of a public domain program that can encrypt files, preferably using DES, that runs under MS-DOS. I would also like to obtain a program which will password protect floppy disks, if this is possible. Thanks. David Maddison Melbourne, Australia " 8371,7,"Subject: Convertibles From: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu (Katherine Bouton) Reply-To: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu Organization: U of Delaware, College of Marine Studies / Lewes Nntp-Posting-Host: gertrude.cms.udel.edu Lines: 4 I was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere I could find a list (and hopefully comparison) of all the convertibles that are out these days. Seems like they are making a big comeback - but I'm not sure where to look " 8372,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 17 nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: > >CENTERS >Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers Messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries. While the press made an issue of it, and attempted to link it to the Rangers' internal political woes, Mike Keenan repeated that to Messier personally during the MSG press conference. It makes sense ... Messier would probably have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 8373,9,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: David Browdy Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions <0096B0F0.C5DE05A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> Lines: 1 To make room for Harkey, the Cubs sent Shawn Boskie down to AAA. " 8374,18,"From: gdnikoli@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Greg Nikolic) Subject: Re: Damn Furriners Be Taken Over Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 59 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >In article <1pa6pt$63r@access.digex.com> hess@access.digex.com (Paul Hess) writes: >> that drag the US down and cause problems at home and abroad. >Rank balderdash! America's reputation abroad has become tarnished >because of feckless and pusillanimous cowards who apparently do not >have the requisite gonads to stand up for American honor and dignity. Don't be ridiculous, Kaldis. I suggest you give the ""Ugly American"" concept, which I can easily see you demonstrating, a good hard second look. >> The American Way is not the ONLY way, it's not necessarally the BEST >> way, and it is incredibly arrogant to even think that. > >The American Way may not be the only way, and you may not consider it >to be necessarily the best way, but, by God, it's _OUR_ way and we're >going to stick with it! If you can't go along with the program, then >perhaps you should consider moving elsewhere. Dear God. Didn't this die out in the fifties with McCarthy and the blacklists? >> I've spent quite a bit of time in different provinces of Canada and >> let me tell you, it is very refreshing to spend time with people who >> are not full of arrogant nationalism and empty patriotism. >That is exactly the _PROBLEM_ with Canadians! They don't stand for >anything with certitude. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to generalize? I am a Canadian, and I stand up for _too many_ things with _too much_ certitude. >> The Canadians I know well enough to say this about, seem to have a >> great deal of pride in their provinces and their country, but they >> aren't blinded by flags and ideals like many Americans are. >Could this be because they are bereft of ideals? Uh huh. This must explain the world reknowned, record low American crime rate. I see now, it's all becoming so clear to me. >> Well, I've said too much, >Yes you have. No he hasn't. >> but I was so angered by your words that I felt I had to say something. >> Sorry to intrude. >You pipsqueak! You mouse! If you are sorry to intrude then why do >it? Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Hell, do you >even have any convictions to start with? What kind of example of >manly dignity is this? Sheesh! Remarkable audacity and misguidance. What you take for your own courage, sir, is nothing more than simple loud-mouthedness coupled with unrestrained bragging. -- ""Please allow me to introduce myself. SYMPATHY I'm a man of wealth and taste. FOR THE DEVIL I've been around for long, long years. the Laibach Stolen many a man's soul, and faith."" remixes " 8375,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: The Escrow Database. Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Lines: 77 Here is a disturbing thought. Now, we no longer live in the days of big filing cabinets. We live in the electronic age. I asked myself, how big could the escrow database get? How hard might it be to steal the whole thing, particularly were I an NSA official operating with the tacit permission of the escrow houses? (We can pretend that such will not happen, but thats naive.) Well, lets see. Ten bytes of each escrow half. Lets asume ten bytes of serial number -- in fact, I believe the serial number is smaller, but this is an order of magnitude calculation. We assume 250*10^6 as the population, and that each person has a key. I get five gigabytes for each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my pocket on two 8mm tapes. Admittely, they will think of safeguards. They won't put the whole database on one disk, prehaps. Maybe they will throw stumbling blocks in the way. This changes nothing -- they keys will be needed every day by hundreds if not thousands of law enforcement types, so convenience will dictate that the system permit quick electronic retrieval. At some point, with or without collusion by the agencies, those exabyte tapes are going to get cut. Dorothy Denning and David Sternlight will doubtless claim this can't happen -- but we know that ""can't"" is a prayer, not a word that in this instance connotes realism. With two exabyte tapes in your pocket, you would hold the keys for every person's conversations in the country in your hands. Yeah, you need the ""master key"" two -- but thats just ten bytes of information that have to be stored an awful lot of places. Come to think of it, even if the NSA getting a copy of the database isn't a threat to you because unlike me you have no contraversial political views, consider foreign intelligence services. You know, the ones that David Sternlight wants to protect us from because of the evil industrial espionage that they do. The French apparently do have a big spying operation in friendly countries to get industrial secrets, so he isn't being completely irrational here (although why our companies couldn't use cryptosystems without back doors is left unexplained by those that point out this threat.) Presumably, foreign intelligence services can get moles into the NSA and other agencies. We have proof by example of this: its happened many times. Presumably, someday they will get their hands on some fraction of the keys. You can't avoid that sort of thing. Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on the escrow databases. We crypto types are all taught something very important at the beginning of intro to cryptography -- security must depend on the easily changed key that you pick to run your system, and not on a secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million Clipper chips. I cannot believe that the NSA or whomever it is thats doing this doesn't realize all this already. They are too smart. There are too many of them who have made their bones in the real world. I suspect that they know precisely what they are doing -- and that what they are doing is giving us the appearance of safety so that they can continue to surveil in spite of the growth of strong cryptography. I suspect that they realize that they can't put things off forever, but they can try to delay things as long as possible. Who knows. Maybe even some of the higher ups, the inevitable bureaucratic types that rise in any organization, really do believe that this scheme might give people some security, even as their subordinates in Fort Meade wring their hands over the foolishness of it all. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 8376,14,"From: wmiler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wyatt Miler) Subject: Diaspar Virtual Reality Network Announcement Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 185 Posted to the Internet by wmiler@nyx.cs.du.edu 000062David42 041493003715 The Lunar Tele-operation Model One (LTM1) ========================================= By David H. Mitchell March 23, 1993 INTRODUCTION: In order to increase public interest in space-based and lunar operations, a real miniature lunar-like environment is being constructed on which to test tele-operated models. These models are remotely-controlled by individuals located world-wide using their personal computers, for EduTainment purposes. Not only does this provide a test-bed for simple tele-operation and tele-presence activities but it also provides for the sharing of information on methods of operating in space, including, but not limited to, layout of a lunar colony, tele-operating machines for work and play, disseminating educational information, providing contests and awards for creativity and achievement and provides a new way for students worldwide to participate in Twenty-First century remote learning methods. Because of the nature of the LTM1 project, people of all ages, interests and skills can contribute scenery and murals, models and structures, interfacing and electronics, software and graphics. In operation LTM1 is an evolving playground and laboratory that can be used by children, students and professionals worldwide. Using a personal computer at home or a terminal at a participating institution a user is able to tele-operate real models at the LTM1 base for experimental or recreational purposes. Because a real facility exists, ample opportunity is provided for media coverage of the construction of the lunar model, its operation and new features to be added as suggested by the users themselves. This has broad inherent interest for a wide range of groups: - tele-operations and virtual reality research - radio control, model railroad and ham radio operation - astronomy and space planetariums and science centers - art and theater - bbs and online network users - software and game developers - manufacturers and retailers of model rockets, cars and trains - children - the child in all of us LTM1 OVERALL DESIGN: A room 14 feet by 8 feet contains the base lunar layout. The walls are used for murals of distant moon mountains, star fields and a view of the earth. The ""floor"" is the simulated lunar surface. A global call for contributions is hereby made for material for the lunar surface, and for the design and creation of scale models of lunar colony elements, scenery, and machine-lets. The LTM1 initial design has 3 tele-operated machinelets: 1. An SSTO scale model which will be able to lift off, hover and land; 2. A bulldozerlet which will be able to move about in a quarry area; and 3. A moon-train which will traverse most of the simulated lunar surface. Each machinelet has a small TV camera utilizing a CCD TV chip mounted on it. A personal computer digitizes the image (including reducing picture content and doing data-compression to allow for minimal images to be sent to the operator for control purposes) and also return control signals. The first machinelet to be set up will be the moon-train since model trains with TV cameras built in are almost off-the-shelf items and control electronics for starting and stopping a train are minimal. The user will receive an image once every 1 to 4 seconds depending on the speed of their data link to LTM1. Next, an SSTO scale model with a CCD TV chip will be suspended from a servo-motor operated wire frame mounted on the ceiling allowing for the SSTO to be controlled by the operator to take off, hover over the entire lunar landscape and land. Finally, some tank models will be modified to be CCD TV chip equipped bulldozerlets. The entire initial LTM1 will allow remote operators worldwide to receive minimal images while actually operating models for landing and takeoff, traveling and doing work. The entire system is based on commercially available items and parts that can be easily obtained except for the interface electronics which is well within the capability of many advanced ham radio operator and computer hardware/software developers. By taking a graphically oriented communications program (Dmodem) and adding a tele-operations screen and controls, the necessary user interface can be provided in under 80 man hours. PLAN OF ACTION: The Diaspar Virtual Reality Network has agreed to sponsor this project by providing a host computer network and Internet access to that network. Diaspar is providing the 14 foot by 8 foot facility for actual construction of the lunar model. Diaspar has, in stock, the electronic tanks that can be modified and one CCD TV chip. Diaspar also agrees to provide ""rail stock"" for the lunar train model. Diaspar will make available the Dmodem graphical communications package and modify it for control of the machines-lets. An initial ""ground breaking"" with miniature shovels will be performed for a live photo-session and news conference on April 30, 1993. The initial models will be put in place. A time-lapse record will be started for historical purposes. It is not expected that this event will be completely serious or solemn. The lunar colony will be declared open for additional building, operations and experiments. A photographer will be present and the photographs taken will be converted to .gif images for distribution world-wide to major online networks and bbs's. A press release will be issued calling for contributions of ideas, time, talent, materials and scale models for the simulated lunar colony. A contest for new designs and techniques for working on the moon will then be announced. Universities will be invited to participate, the goal being to find instructors who wish to have class participation in various aspects of the lunar colony model. Field trips to LTM1 can be arranged and at that time the results of the class work will be added to the model. Contributors will then be able to tele-operate any contributed machine-lets once they return to their campus. A monthly LTM1 newsletter will be issued both electronically online and via conventional means to the media. Any major new tele-operated equipment addition will be marked with an invitation to the television news media. Having a large, real model space colony will be a very attractive photo opportunity for the television community. Especially since the ""action"" will be controlled by people all over the world. Science fiction writers will be invited to issue ""challenges"" to engineering and human factors students at universities to build and operate the tele-operated equipment to perform lunar tasks. Using counter-weight and pulley systems, 1/6 gravity may be simulated to some extent to try various traction challenges. The long term goal is creating world-wide interest, education, experimentation and remote operation of a lunar colony. LTM1 has the potential of being a long term global EduTainment method for space activities and may be the generic example of how to teach and explore in many other subject areas not limited to space EduTainment. All of this facilitates the kind of spirit which can lead to a generation of people who are ready for the leap to the stars! CONCLUSION: EduTainment is the blending of education and entertainment. Anyone who has ever enjoyed seeing miniatures will probably see the potential impact of a globally available layout for recreation, education and experimentation purposes. By creating a tele-operated model lunar colony we not only create world-wide publicity, but also a method of trying new ideas that require real (not virtual) skills and open a new method for putting people's minds in space. MOONLIGHTERS: ""Illuminating the path of knowledge about space and lunar development."" The following people are already engaged in various parts of this work: David42, Rob47, Dash, Hyson, Jzer0, Vril, Wyatt, The Dark One, Tiggertoo, The Mad Hatter, Sir Robin, Jogden. Come join the discussion any Friday night from 10:30 to midnight PST in Diaspar Virtual Reality Network. Ideas welcome! Internet telnet to: 192.215.11.1 or diaspar.com (voice) 714-376-1776 (2400bd) 714-376-1200 (9600bd) 714-376-1234 Email inquiries to LTM1 project leader Jzer@Hydra.unm.edu or directly to Jzer0 on Diaspar. " 8377,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: comp.graphics.programmer Organization: Purdue University Lines: 26 In article <1qukk7INNd4l@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes: > However, that is almost overkill. Something more like this would probably > make EVERYONE a lot happier: > > comp.graphics.programmer > comp.graphics.hardware > comp.graphics.apps > comp.graphics.misc That's closer, but I dislike ""apps"". ""software"" (vs. ""hardware"") would be better. Would that engulf alt.graphics.pixutils? Or would that be ""programmer""? I don't know if traffic is really heavy enough to warrant a newsgroup split. Look how busy comp.graphics.research is (not). It's true that a lot of the traffic here is rehashing FAQs and discussing things that would probably be better diverted to system-specific groups, but I don't know whether a split would help or hurt that cause. Maybe we need a comp.graphics.RTFB for all those people who can't be bothered to read the fine books out there. Right, Dr. Rogers? :-) ab " 8378,9,"From: (Sean Garrison) Subject: Re: WFAN Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Lines: 11 In article , philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) wrote: > WIP took two of your > best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. DUDE! Are you nuts? WFAN is second to none. Jody Mac's exit was quite a loss, but if you think Fredericks On The FAN was much of one, you're pretty skewed. Ñ Sean " 8379,11,"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: Identifying / Securing Files Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 23 In article <2bb29f4c@mash.boulder.co.us: rmashlan%mash@csn.org (Robert Mashlan) writes: :tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) said in article <19930322.101356.617@almaden.ibm.com>: :>It's OK as long as you trust the end-user to stay out of your application :>program - or as long as it runs in a system where the user can't get to it. :>Otherwise, you can't stop him from finding the ""load a module"" code in your :>program, and simply bypassing the check for a valid module. The devious user :>can either modify the object code before running the program, or he can run :>the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory. :There is a way to foil debuggers, by clearing the single step :interrupt, on which a debugger depends, every few instructions in :the sensitive areas of the code. This assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an X86 type processor. It can be negated by NOP'ing the clear debug instruction, or by running the code on a machine simulator, like one I wrote as a senior project in college. It can bypass and trace practically anything one could write in software. Kind of like being on a Star Trek Holideck :-). -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now. ""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG " 8380,4,"From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) Subject: IIvx -> C650 Upgrade Question Organization: USC-ISI Lines: 10 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.isi.edu If you get teh IIvx ->C650 upgrade, does it include a new sticker to cover the IIvx identifier with a Centris 650 indetifier? jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Research Scientist et al. jas@isi.edu (Internet) | Information Sciences Institute 72511,402 (Compuserve) | University of Southern California " 8381,8,"From: vidaros@dhhalden.no (VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG) Subject: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.) Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc159 Organization: Ostfold College Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models really mean. Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L and P in Suzuki VS750GLP I wanna distribute this in our club magazine. I want lists of all types, but I already knows about Harley. Thanks in advance! Vidar --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vidar O. Solberg - NORWAY * ROCK HARD * RIDE FREE * ""We are the proud, the few and the true Metallibashers!"" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8382,12,"From: ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan) Subject: Need help on... Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 24 I need help on 4 components: BAT85 diode ----------- I know Digi-key or Newark sells them, but the minimum order is 25! Does anyone know where I can get smaller orders of this diode, or an equivalent replacement? BC546B transistor ----------------- Ditto for this transistor. 74HC239 chip ------------ Digi-key, Newark and Mouser do not appear to carry ths chip - does anyone know what this does and where I can obtain it? YM3623B chip ------------ This Yamaha chip decodes S/PDIF data (from CD or DAT). Where can I obtain one of these? Thanks in advance, - Ian " 8383,5,"From: dsc3jfs@imc10 (John F Skoda) Subject: How do I change the Text cursor in xterm Organization: {not speaking for the } National Naval Medical Center Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: imc10.med.navy.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I have just finished building X11R5 on a 386 running Interactive Unix (SysVR3) and I am having a problem with xterm. On any font larger that 5x7 it messes up characters that are types, the cursor seems to be ""too"" large, or splits into a 1/2 reverse video, 1/2 outline block (which changes when the pointer is moved into the window). I am trying to use monospaced fonts (not -p- fonts). Is there any way of changing the appearence of the block cursor is an Xterm? Thanks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- John F Skoda | Windows NT, OS/2 for the 90's. -- electronic learning facilitators, inc. | C++, Cobol for the 21st century. -- Bethesda, MD | Use Ada, Unix, and other socially -- dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil | unacceptable systems. -- dsc3jfs@imc30.med.navy.mil | (and before you flame, I'm an -------------------------------------------| Expos fan... ...need I say more?) with DISCLAIMER_PACKAGE; " 8384,14,From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek (Better Ideas) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr25.154449.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: | |Better idea for use of NASA Shuttle Astronauts and Crew is have them be found |lost in space after a accident with a worm hole or other space/time glitch.. | |Maybe age Jemison a few years (makeup and such) and have her as the only >survivour of a failed shuttle mission that got lost.. Of course that asumes the mission was able to launch :-) 8385,5,"From: thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Keywords: XTerm Organization: Cities in Dust Lines: 37 In <1993Apr17.170907.25718@samba.oit.unc.edu> naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov) writes: >Hey guys! >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. >How can I do it? >Thnsks in advance, > Serge > serge@gluttony.astro.unc.edu Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" endif Note, ^[ stands for , in vi you can enter it by pressing Ctrl-V and the . Same for ^G, it means Ctrl-G. In vi: press Ctrl-V and then Ctrl-G. The first sequence puts the string into the title bar the second in the icon. BTW, you can also put the current working directory in the title bar if you make an alias for cd: alias cd 'cd \!* ; echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}: ${cwd}^G""' greetings, Thomas -- Thomas Wolfram, thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de EANTC, TU Berlin, wolf@prz.tu-berlin.de, +49 030 31421294 " 8386,7,"From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips) Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5 Lines: 14 : Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is : partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of : the ozone layer. Also, any other additional information will be greatly : appreciated. Thanks. : SSSSSoooooooooooo!!!!! Its all HIS fault!! Thank God Louis Chevrolet is innocent! and that guy Diesel, HE otto feel guilty! -- Stephen Phillips Atlanta Response Center Atlanta, Ga. Home of the Braves! " 8387,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net WHile we are on the subject of the shuttle software. what ever happened to the hypothesis that the shuttle flight software was a major factor in the loss of 51-L. to wit, that during the wind shear event, the Flight control software indicated a series of very violent engine movements that shocked and set upa harmonic resonance leading to an overstress of the struts. pat " 8388,7,"From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Woody"" Moss) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Keywords: n Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Distribution: usa Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: |> |> In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com |> (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: |> |> >You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in |> >place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no |> >leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). |> |> Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot. |> |> all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip |> home. |> But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them. |> |> I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep |> vandals away. :---) |> |> steve I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great ! I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles. Works for me, I must say. " 8389,6,"From: cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Chong) Subject: BOOKS FOR SALE (CHEAP!) Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 50 Hi, everyone, Here are some books for sale, all prices are negotiable!! (****Shipping fee is not included!!) 1. Signals and Systems, Alexander P. Poularik and Samuel Seely PWS-KENT Publisher, Old price: $10 New Price: $8.50!!!! 2. Probability: an introduction, Samuel Goldberg Dover Publisher, Old price: $4 New Price: $2!!!!!!! 3. Digital Image Processing and Computer Vision, R. Schalkoff Wiley Publisher, Old price: $30 New Price: $26!!!!!! 4. Digital Image Processing, R. Gonzalz and P. Wintz, Addison Wesley Publisher, Old price: $25 New Price: $22.50!!! SOLD!!..5. X Window System User Guide (for X11R4), O'Reilly Associate 6. The Best Book of MS-DOS 5, Alan Simpson SAMS, Old price: $12 New price: $8.50!!!! 7. Elements of Modern Algebra, Hu Holden Day Publisher, Old price: $8 New price: $3.00!!!! 8. Symmetries, Asymmetries and the World of Particles, T.D. Lee Washington Publisher, Old price: $12 New price: $9.50!!!! 9. Elementary Particles and the Laws of Physics - the 1986 Dirac Memorial Lectures, Cambridge Publisher, Old price: $8 New price: $6.00!!!! 10. A Brief History of Time, Stephen W. Hawking Bantam books (Paperback), Old price: $8 New price: $4.00!!!! -- Robert Chong Department of Mechanical Engineering The Ohio State University Email: cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 8390,7,"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu In article mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: >W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only >occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you, >a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional >mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked >converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away. the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions.. i get much stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup.. which i can induce by briefly lifting off, then quickly (but not too quickly to trigger a kickdown) applying throttle. above 3000 rpms, the convertor will never unlock; it would kickdown first. who says there's no skill involved in driving an automatic? i think of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal. with my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my right foot, while having both hands to steer. eliot " 8391,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Ellipse Again Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 39 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Keywords: ellipse Hi! Everyone, Because no one has touched the problem I posted last week, I guess my question was not so clear. Now I'd like to describe it in detail: The offset of an ellipse is the locus of the center of a circle which rolls on the ellipse. In other words, the distance between the ellipse and its offset is same everywhere. This problem comes from the geometric measurement when a probe is used. The tip of the probe is a ball and the computer just outputs the positions of the ball's center. Is the offset of an ellipse still an ellipse? The answer is no! Ironically, DMIS - an American Indutrial Standard says it is ellipse. So almost all the software which was implemented on the base of DMIS was wrong. The software was also sold internationaly. Imagine, how many people have or will suffer from this bug!!! How many qualified parts with ellipse were/will be discarded? And most importantly, how many defective parts with ellipse are/will be used? I was employed as a consultant by a company in Los Angeles last year to specially solve this problem. I spent two months on analysis of this problem and six months on programming. Now my solution (nonlinear) is not ideal because I can only reconstruct an ellipse from its entire or half offset. It is very difficult to find the original ellipse from a quarter or a segment of its offset because the method I used is not analytical. I am now wondering if I didn't touch the base and make things complicated. Please give me a hint. I know you may argue this is not a CG problem. You are right, it is not. However, so many people involved in the problem ""sphere from 4 poits"". Why not an ellipse? And why not its offset? Please post here and let the others share our interests (I got several emails from our netters, they said they need the summary of the answers). Yeh USC " 8392,19,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 26 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >If it were a sin to violate Sunday no one could >ever be forgiven for that for Jesus never kept Sunday holy. He only >recognized one day of the seven as holy. Jesus also recognized other holy days, like the Passover. Acts 15 says that no more should be layed on the Gentiles than that which is necessary. The sabbath is not in the list, nor do any of the epistles instruct people to keep the 7th day, while Christians were living among people who did not keep the 7th day. It looks like that would have been a problem. Instead, we have Scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike (Romans 14:5) and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of food we eat, Jewish holy days we keep, or _in regard to the sabbath. (Col. 2.) >The >question is ""On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the >fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?"" I don't think that the Sabbath, or any other command of the law is totally irrelevant to modern Christians, but what about Collosions 2, where it says that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath? Link Hudson. " 8393,10,"From: atkinsj@reis59.alleg.edu (Joshua Atkins) Subject: Re: Goalie Mask Update Organization: Allegheny College In article hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes: > In article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: > > > > Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for > >1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if > >the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! > >Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! > > > Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Soderstrom plays with Philly, but he doesn't have a moulded mask. > He's got the helmet and cage variety, in white. Or at least that's > what he wore thirteen hours ago. > Yeah but Soderstrom's mask has always appeared to be a lot bigger than the average helmet-and-cage variety. It has a certain appeal on its own josh > -- > Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not > hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude > acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but > v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. " 8394,14,"From: abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) Subject: Re: Questions about Titan IV and Ariane 5 Distribution: sci Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab Lines: 26 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 In article , gwg33762@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Garret W. Gengler) writes... >In sci.space you write: > >>Try the ENVIRONET database at GSFC. FTP to envnet.gsfc.nasa.gov or >>128.183.104.16, or call (310)286-5690. They have data on STS, Ariane, Titan, >>Atlas, Delta and Scout launch environments. > >Howdy. Thanks for the info. > >I tried ""anonymous"" FTP there, but it didn't work. >I also tried telnetting to the same address, but it asked for a login >and password, although there was a note saying that the new username for >environet was ""envnet"". > >Anyways, do you have any idea what else I should try? > >Thanks, >Garret > > The home office number for ENVIRONET is (301) 286-5690 (note area code change). A friend of mine used to use it to get LDEF data, but he had to apply for a login name and password. I have a call in for more info, which I hope to get in the morning. David W. @ GSFC " 8395,19,"From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) Subject: cults (who keeps them going ?) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 9 Mr. Clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the Waco fiasco should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so. Now, I began scratching my head thinking (a bad sign :-), ""don't the mainstream religions (in this case Christianity...or the 7th day adventist in particular) just keep these guys going ? Isn't Mr. Clinton condemning his own religion ? After all, isn't it a cult too ?"" ... bad thoughts these. " 8396,17,"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr15.152619.12664@src.honeywell.com>, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: |> |> The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace |> after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons: |> |> 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently |> most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or |> dictators. True, but maybe not the worst possible - see Algeria. |> |> 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. |> This was true (and I may add the adjective ""stupid"") until the Intifada. Since then, no serious Israeli leader (including Shamir) really thinks the the occupied territories worth the trouble. The only question became the question of price and other quantitative detail. The best thing the Palestinians can do for themselves these days is to stop the Intifada and try to live as normally as possible (I know, it's hard under occupation). Otherwise people might think that five years of stone throwing (as justified as it may be) has caused the Palestinians an irreversible damage that prevents them from running a normal state when the time comes. Currently it serves no purpose and it's just a waste of human life and economic resources. -- =============================================================== Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr =============================================================== " 8397,16,"From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) Distribution: usa Organization: N/I Lines: 115 103D CONGRESS 1ST SESSION H. R. 1276 To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. ======================= IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES March 10, 1993 Mr. BARTLETT introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary ======================= A BILL To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa- tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the ""Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 1993"". SEC. 2. RIGHT TO OBTAIN FIREARMS FOR SECURITY, AND TO USE FIREARMS IN DEFENSE OF SELF, FAMILY, OR HOME; ENFORCEMENT. (a) ESTABLISHMENT OF RIGHT. -- A person not pro- hibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm shall have the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use fire- arms in defense of self, family, or home. (b) FIREARM DEFINED. -- As used in subsection (a), the term ""firearm"" means a -- (1) shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code); (2) rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of such title); or (3) handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public law 99-408). (c) ENFORCEMENT OF RIGHT. -- (1) IN GENERAL. -- A person whose right under subsection (a) is violated in any manner may bring an action in any United States district court against the United States, any State, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate. (2) AUTHORITY TO AWARD A REASONABLE AT- TORNEY'S FEE. -- In an action brought under para- graph (1), the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than a State, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs. (d) STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. -- An action may not be brought under subsection (c)(1) after the 5-year period that begins with the date the violation described therein is discovered. ------------------------ (end of HR 1276) ------------------------ Well, this sounds good to me. The key is Section (2)(c)(2), which will effectively open up the Federal court system to all the folks who can't afford to adopt an Attorney with whom to fight city hall. All of you who've been saying ""hey, isn't that illegal?"" could just go hire your own Attorneys on a pay-if-you-win (""contingency fee"") basis, and sue the bums ... :-) What you can do now: (1) Write your Representative, and ask them to co-sponsor HR 1276. (2) Write Representative Roscoe Bartlett, the sponsor -- Representative Roscoe Bartlett 312 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 -- to tell him who your own Representative is, and that you've asked them to join him as a co-sponsor of HR 1276. (3) Contact Gun Owners of America -- Gun Owners of America 8001 Forbes Place Springfield, Virginia 22151 -- which has committed to lobby on behalf of HR 1276. (4) For those of us with a RealJob (TM), find out how to reach Representative Bartlett's campaign fund (I'm working on it) and toss in a few bucks. You can bet your bippy that he's going to be one of the HCI ""targets"" in the next election, which isn't that far away (1994). (5) Tell your family, friends, gun club, etc. Enjoy ... :-) " 8398,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 19 In article <1r8pcn$rm1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu (Donald Mackie) writes: :In article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff, :tron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes: :>Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an :>authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that :>is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? : :I'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of :the major ingredients. :-) : The only recipies I've ever seen for this include plain yogurt, finely chopped cucumber and a couple of crushed cloves of garlic -- yummy. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 8399,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr20.142747.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article , loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: > I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first > black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew > on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the > ""Star Trek: The Next Generation"" episode that airs the week of May 31. > It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. > > Doug Loss Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 8400,6,From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: '87 Buick Century Estate Wagon Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: cmh Lines: 1 This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader. 8401,3,"From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) Subject: Re: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas Lines: 28 In article im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) writes: >What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific >to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell >chipset itself? There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it from someone else. However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. This is because the MPU used ""speed buffering"" instead of having a 16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the ""speed buffering"" works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial port board. Hope this helps... Tom -- |Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 | |AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX 78741 |f:512-462-5155 | |...don't take no/take hold/don't leave it to chance ---Tasmin Archer | |My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin | " 8402,10,"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) Subject: NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-05-93 Organization: AT&T Keywords: monday night's boxscore Lines: 55 NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/05/93. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STANDINGS PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT xPIT 53 21 6 112 yMON 47 27 6 100 yDET 44 28 9 97 yVAN 42 28 9 93 WAS 40 31 7 87 yBOS 46 26 7 99 yCHI 43 25 11 97 yCAL 40 29 10 90 NJ 38 35 6 82 yQUE 44 25 10 98 yTOR 42 26 11 95 yLA 37 33 9 83 NYI 37 34 6 80 yBUF 38 31 10 86 STL 35 34 10 80 yWIN 37 35 7 81 NYR 34 33 11 79 HAR 24 49 5 53 MIN 34 35 10 78 EDM 26 45 8 60 PHL 30 37 11 71 OTT 9 66 4 22 TB 22 51 5 49 SJ 10 68 2 22 x - Clinched Division Title y - Clinched Playoff Berth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hartford Whalers (24-49-5) 1 1 3 - 5 New York Rangers (34-33-11) 1 2 1 - 4 1st period: HAR, Cunneyworth 5 - (Janssens, Greig) 12:21 NYR, Graves 34 - (Turcotte, Zubov) 18:39 2nd period: NYR, Kovalev 19 - (Turcotte, Graves) 2:12 HAR, Sanderson 44 - (Cassels) (pp) 4:54 NYR, Amonte 30 - (Andersson, Vanbiesbrouck) (pp) 19:13 3rd period: NYR, M.Messier 25 - (Amonte, Andersson) 2:26 HAR, Sanderson 45 - (Cassels) (sh) 5:23 HAR, Nylanders 6 - (Ladouceur) 8:35 HAR, Verbeek 36 - (Zalapski) 17:43 Powerplay Opportunities-Whalers 1 of 4 Rangers 1 of 4 Shots on Goal- Whalers 7 8 8 - 23 Rangers 9 10 12 - 31 Hartford Whalers--Gosselin (4-7-1) (31 shots - 27 saves) New York Rangers--Vanbiesbrouck (20-18-7) (23 shots - 18 saves) ATT-17,806 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \|||||/ -SPIKE- " 8403,5,"From: moore@halley.est.3m.com (Richard Moore) Subject: Using message passing with XtAddInput Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA Distribution: comp.windows.x Lines: 7 In the past, I have used named pipes to communicate between processes using the XtAddInput function to set up the event handling in Motif. Does anybody know of a way to do this with message passing ( IPC ) ? I tried it here and no luck so far. Thanks " 8404,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Organization: Florida State University Lines: 63 seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: > Since the_day_upon_which_most_Christians_celebrate_the_resurrection_of_Jesus > is approaching, I thought I would comment on this: > > In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: > > > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? It is celebration of the > resurrection of Jesus. I don't recall a command in Scripture for us to > celebrate the resurrection, but it is the sole and only reason that we > are Christians--how could we not celebrate it? If it is only the name Not quite correct. Biblical teaching expects us to celebrate the resurrection of Christ not once a year but every time someone is baptized. Col. 2:12-Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."" Rom. 6:4-Therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."" Those really want to celebrate the resurrection should by faith walk in newness of life after baptism. It is not necessary to celebrate a pagan goddess in the process. > > So, as we see from Scripture, those who are of Israel will observe > >the 7th Day *FOREVER*. The Gentiles who believe in the Messiah of Israel > >are welcome to observe the 7th Day as well, but it is not required of them > >since the are adopted into the Commonwealth of Israel. The Gentiles who > >are grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel are only required to observe > >the basic commands given to those who came before Abram (see also Acts > >15). No further requirements are placed upon them once they come to faith > >in Messiah. > > > So from this I infer that there are different rules for Christians of Jewish > descent? What happened to ""there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, > male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus""? Jewish Christians/Messianics > may find certain forms of worship and certain disciplines meaningful because > of their cultural background, but I have a hard time understanding the > justification for applying rules or commandments to those who have been > justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. > Paul answered your question in Romans 9. In v. 4 he stated that the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises were given to the Israelites. It is a package deal. He goes on to identify those who are true Israelites. Vs 6-8 makes it plain that the true Israelites are not those who are born that way but those who accept the promise of God. Paul continued to emphasize that he was an Israelite in 2 Cor. 11:22, then in Gal 3:29 he says that all those who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs to all the promises given to the Israelites. The promises come with the law. It is all or nothing. Why is it that you only want to discard one part of the law? Certainly you would want your husband to be faithful to you. Or do you believe that adultery is no longer forbidden? Same law. BTW please give a reference for your statement that the Gentiles are only required to observe the basis commandmants. Could you list those please. Acts 15 deals with circumcision and the law of Moses which was added because of transgression of God's eternal law (Gal 3:19; Rom 4:15) ++++++++++++ Darius A. Lecointe | I got my BA when I was Born Again Department of Educational Research | And my MA when I was Made Anew Florida State University | Now I'm getting my PhD as I become Tel: (904) 644-0706 | A Patient, Humble, Disciple. E-mail: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu " 8405,1,"From: omar@godzilla.osf.org (Mark Marino) Subject: WANTED: Playmation Info Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 21 Hi Folks, Does anyone have a copy of Playmation they'd be willing to sell me. I'd love to try it out, but not for the retail $$$. If you have moved onto something bigger (3DS) or better (Imagine), I'd love to buy your table scraps. If noone is selling, can anyone recommend a place to buy Playmation mail-order for cheap? Thanks in advance, Mark -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | Mark Marino | omar@osf.org | uunet!osf!omar | | Open Software Foundation | 11 Cambridge Center | Cambridge, MA 02142 | |_____________________________________________________________________________| " 8406,5,From: DBOHDAL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM Subject: Icon Box Organization: The Internet Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Cc: DBOHDAL@expo.lcs.mit.edu Dear Xperts: I want to place a specific group of icons in an icon box and have my other icons appear outside of the box. Does anyone know if there's a way I can do this?? I'm using X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1. Thanks! dbohdal@jaguar.ess.harris.com 8407,18,"From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...) Organization: Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 22 wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: > > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to > > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never > > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal > > meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" > > cigarettes, pot and heroin. > > Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea > that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply > decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why > the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be ""bought like cigarettes"" > is ""just plain silly."" After all, it works just fine for nicotine... I'm all in favor of drug legalization, but I do see some problems with it. My hope is that people disposed to doing so would simply overdose quickly, and be done with it, before making a mess of thisgs. -- Let me get this straight: Medical treatment costs too much and is inefficient, so we're going to let government make it better? " 8408,12,"From: squish@endor.uucp (Shishin Yamada) Subject: Re: ATARI 2600 Processors Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 42 In article <93110.125951PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >Does anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th >e pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have >any idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor >tant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available >, or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very > important.. Thanks a million... > >BTW- Anyone who works/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i >nfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks >alot!! > >-Peter The Atari 2600 used a 6502 CPU, just like their entire 8-bit line (400, 800,1200,1400, 1440, 130xe, 65xe computers, as well as the 5200 game machine). The 2600 had some extra ASIC chips that were basically modified graphics chips and PIA's for the joysticks. Later model 2600 might have incorporated many of the chips into one ASCI, as the weight of the machines and part count decreased a lot over the years. Additionally, I think the 2600 used 2K, 4K, and up to 8K of ROM for their games. I have no idea how much RAM it had to work with, but I would hazard a guess of 2 or 4K RAM. Think comes from a lot of hacking with the 800 and 130xe computers. And occasionally hacking with the 2600 (fixing it for monitor composite video use, and audio hookups). Also I tryed to make a cartridge-less system that stored the ROM into a RAM cartridge that could be loaded up at some prior time (a way to backup cartridges). I've heard of a setup like this where games could be bought (cheaply) on FSK-recorded tapes, then you would load them into a special RAM cartidge, and play them. Anyways, if you're interested in looking for 2600 equipment, we've got two 2600 machines around (one composite A/V modified), and lotsa cartridges. Willing to sell for reasonable offer + shipping and handling. Don't play it anymore, since going to computers + Nintendo (interested in that too?). Hope that helps your question... I might grab some 6502's out too, since they must be fun to play with (as microcontrollers). -shishin ""squish"" yamada squish@endor.harvard.edu " 8409,13,"From: rjf@lzsc.lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343) Subject: Re: centrifuge Organization: AT&T Middletown N.J. U.S.A. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: usa Lines: 16 Mr. Blue (car@access.digex.com) wrote: : Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is : used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes : around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that? Purely recreational. They get bored sitting in that rack all the time. -- bob. | I only smile when I lie, You can learn more in a bar | And I'll tell you why... than you can in a lawyer's office. | Were these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more. " 8410,15,"From: luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: luomat@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 53 In article emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes: [much of the excellent post deleted for space -- TjL] )->With all the suffering and persecution that it meant to be a believer, it )->would be quite probable that at least one of those in the supposed conspiracy )->would come forward and confess that the whole thing was a big hoax. Yet )->not one did. It seems rather reasonable that the disciples did not make )->up the resurrection but sincerely believed that Jesus had actually risen )->from the dead; especially in light of the sufferings that came upon those )->who believed. I was at the ""Jubilee"" conference this year in Pittsburgh PA, and the speaker there spoke of this as well. He talked about many of the same things you mentioned in your post, but here he went into a little more detail. I'll paraphrase as best I can: ""Suppose you were part of the `Christian consipracy' which was going to tell people that Christ had risen. Never mind the stoning, the being burned alive, the possible crucifixion ... let's just talk about a scourging. The whip that would be used would have broken pottery, metal, bone, and anything else that they could find attached to it. You would be stood facing a wall, with nothing to protect you. ""When the whip hit you the first time, it would tear the flesh off you with instant incredibly intense pain. You would think to yourself `All this for a lie?' The second hit would drop you to your knees, you would scream out in agony that your raw back was being torn at again. You would say to yourself: `All this for a lie?' And you had 37 more coming. ""At the third hit you would scream out that it was all a lie, beg for them to stop, and tell them that you would swear on your life that it had all been a lie, if they would only stop...."" It is amazing enough that those who believed kept their faith under such torture.... but for a lie? There is no one fool enough to do that.... And no one came forward. Excellent post John, thanks for taking the time. -- Tj Luoma ""God be merciful to ""I have fought a good fight, me a sinner.""--St Luke I have finished my course, ""For me to live is Christ, and I have kept the faith."" 2 TIM to die is gain"" -- PHILIPPIANS 1:21 " 8411,19,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: hating the sin but not the sinner? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Distribution: usa Lines: 26 What are the consequences of the homophobic ranting of the self-righteous? Well, I just noted this on another group, and thought I'd pass it along. The context is talk.origins, and a report of yet another ""debate"" that was nothing but an attempt at mindless bullying and factless assertion by a standard-issue Creationist. The writer reflects that the behavior reported reminds him of some Christian groups he has known. I believe that the writer is a (non-homosexual) Christian: + There is a very effective technique used to promote + unit cohesion among the Soldiers of the Lord. It is + called ""witnessing""... I've seen this process used well + and poorly; the near devil worship I mention was a group + ... that was using the witnessing to get people lathered + up to go kill homosexuals or at least terrorize them off + campus as it was clearly God's will that they do so. I have deleted the specifics of the location, as I do not believe it characteristic of the place (a state in which I spent my formative first 10 years), though it *does* have, unfortunately, a subpopulation that this remark fits to a tee. -- Michael L. Siemon I say ""You are gods, sons of the mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless - or - you shall die like men, and fall mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince."" Psalm 82:6-7 " 8412,19,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 26 In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > who would be alive today if they had been released back when we were The word ""released"" is loaded: until convicted in CXOurt, my children are my own. WHen the Feds use this type of loaded logic, you cannot win: 1) we accuse you 2) we shoot a couple of your kids 3) we blame you for those shots 4) we harrass you for 51 days 5) we tell you to come out or die 6) we gas you 7) you burn to death 8) we blame you (prior to trial) for all of it > debating this a few weeks ago. > > >---peter > > > > > " 8413,8,"Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no! From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 17 JACK ROGERS WATERS (jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote: : In article <1ppejb$3h0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: : > : >Well, at least I damaged my own bike. If I had done it to someone else's : >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk. As it is I just feel stupid. : > : I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider : having the body work done right away. The same type of thing : may happen again. Wait till you get used to the bike, etc. Well, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them to the body shop. Is that long enough :-) -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu * ******************************************************************************* " 8414,8,"From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 27 In article <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: >> >>Ultra sticky labels printed with your >>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of >>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. > >An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend >damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by >the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they >were assuming by pulling that stunt. She claimed it was the driver who >was at fault for illegally parking in the first place. That would >probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her >liable for $Serious. > >Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows. Yeah, make darn sure you cover all the glass, so the driver can't reasonably expect to be able to drive with the things on the car. -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" " 8415,4,"Subject: Word Printing to IIg From: gary@marshall.wvnet.edu (gary's news) Organization: Marshall University Lines: 39 We have a user that has Word 5.0 and is using symbols such as pi and other mathematic sysmbols, plus doing fractions, etc. The document shows up on the screen with no problems, looks fine. When she tries to print it on a IIg the pi changes to an upside down caret, and several other symbols change to double quotes at bottom of character, plus some little circles appear between words of the fractions instead of spaces. This happens on a IIg laser printer. Tried it on serveral macs and two different IIg's. Prints fine on an NT and NTX laser printers. What's wrong??? Thanks for any help in advance, Gary -- *************************************************************************** Gary Weis University Computer Center 400 Hal Greer Boulevard Huntington, West Virginia 25755-5320 Phone: (304) 696-3205 Fax : (304) 696-3601 Internet: Gary@marshall.wvnet.edu Bitnet : Gary@marshall UCC Net : Gary *************************************************************************** " 8416,17,"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science In article <1993Apr16.225409.22697@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a >KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: > >[KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. > >I am your alter-ego! > >[KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? > >No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me? Maybe he will. Maybe he is working for the secret Turkish service. You never know. >[KAAN] I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. > >In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like No it is still called ""you are full of shit""; even in the US.:) >[KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... > >No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to >bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me? Well, now you have. Don't worry Turks do not turn to terrorist actions like Armenians have so you can be sure that you will not be killed. However, I do not know about the torture part... Timucin sounds like a tough guy so watch out. >[KAAN] See ya in hell.. > >Wrong again! > >[KAAN] Timucin. > >All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was >so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place! >Don't kill the messenger! If you are going to translate, you have to do it consistently. If you selectively translate things to serve your ugly purpose, people get pisssssssssed offfffff. In Ottoman times messengers were usually killed by cutting their heads off and sending it back to their country. But Ottoman empire no longer exists :(. (darn!) Esin. >-- >David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on >S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't >P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" >Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 8417,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 42 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > > Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications > >(specifically the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow > >cite as threats) will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of > >a legitimate user, and to kill this person or hold them hostage so > >discovery of compromise of the device will be delayed. >Why doing it in such a rough manner? It is much more professional to >steal the chip from the phone and even to replace it with a >pin-compatible do-nothing chip that does not encrypt at all. Chances >are that the victim will not notice anything, especially if it is done >professionally. Assuming that the bad guys can easily obtain substitute chips which don't cause any noticeable effect to either the user or the person at the other end of the line (if there is any significant difficulty to obtaining such chips, some of the criminals will decide to fall back on the murder/kidnap method). > > Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate > >with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from > >key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other > >means. > No, because the Feds will still be able to decrypt the conversations. >True, they'll blame the wrong guys, but nevertheless one cannot say >something like ""The drugs arrive tommorrow on the ship 'Terminus'"" >when the Feds are listening, even if they cannot identify who the >speaker is. This assumes that the Feds are tapping Clipper phones belonging to ordinary citizens (getting such a phone is the whole point of the crime under discussion). To be sure, I wouldn't put it past them -- but raising the possibility of such crime has the benefit of forcing the Feds to either 'fess up about such intentions in advance or state that using Clipper exposes the user to an additional criminal threat. > No, the criminals will just use some secure encryption. The new >proposal does not stop criminals; it ensures that the government will >be able to wiretap the average citizen and stops the casual snooper. >To me, it also clearly looks as a step towards outlawing any other >strong encryption devices. Agreed. " 8418,11,"From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement Nntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com Reply-To: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 17 In article <1qna0tINNf5p@rodan.UU.NET>, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes: |> I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the |> people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the |> 80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately |> (having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce |> it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply |> could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places |> and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1 |> sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the |> actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences). Without real technical details, it's hard to answer this question. But suppose they already *are* XORing the two 40-bit parts to produce only 40 bits of real key material? Maybe they're using the exportable version of RC2...? :-) PHil " 8419,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 26 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article <1qmhp7$33t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes... > >In a previous article, tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) says: > >>In article <1qb726$j9d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu< cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>< >>>>>>>> >>So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. > >Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. Refer >to John 14:2. I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise. Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved may enter paradise. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu " 8420,19,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: scientology??? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 8 > i need some brief information on scientology (or applientology as frank zappa > would call it) anyone have the time to send me some info on ol' l.ron and the b > asics of what scientology is all about would be appreciated---p.s.i am not inte > rested in any propaganda I've taken the liberty of passing your name and address to your local org (Scientology office). They'll be contacting you in a few days. I also threw in a small contribution, so they'd know you're serious. :-) " 8421,0,"From: mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) Subject: Re: THE POPE IS JEWISH! Organization: Texas Tech University Lines: 12 west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > THE POPE IS JEWISH I always thought that the Pope was a bear. You know, because of that little saying: Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic? There MUST be SOME connection between those two lines! " 8422,6,"From: gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Brent Kirkwood) Subject: Casio Digital Diary Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 15 For Sale : Casio Digital Diary Electronic Organizer (SF-4000) 32k RAM will hold approxmiately 1500 names/phone numbers Big 6 line display 200 Year Visible Calendar Schedule Function Memo Bank Telephone Name, Number, Address Storage Calculator Compact folding design fits in your pocket The above for $25. It was originally purchased for over $100. Mail to gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu if interested. Price does not include shipping. " 8423,12,"From: dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] John Hawkinson (jhawk@panix.com) wrote: : Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Call it an urge. Call it what you want. : Just don't ask why :-) : Anyway, I'd like to build a UV flashlight, cheaply. ""flashlight"" means : it should be reasonably portable, but could have a power pack if : necessary. : My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they : need a lot of power? etc., etc. : I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave : (but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both). Check out a medical supply catalog, the thing you are looking for is called a woods lamp (so you can check for woods sign, certain skin conditions flourecse (sp) under UV light) They come in disposable penlight like types and larger ac powered types. It is also used in eye examinations, a flourescent dye is introduced to the surface of the eye, then UV is shined on it, shows up scratches and abrasions very clearly that would otherwise be very difficult to detect. (for the completest the dye is called flouescien, and in normal light appears orangish, and leaves a mild burning sensation to the eye for 10-15 minutes, until the tears flush it all out. Have fun. --Dale Farmer " 8424,14,"From: gallas2@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Sean Michael Gallagher) Subject: Funding for NASA Article-I.D.: rpi.87g54s_ Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: marcus.its.rpi.edu I am doing a political science paper on the funding of NASA and pork-barrel politics. I would be interested in information about funding practices and histories of some of the major programs (Apollo, STS, SSF, etc) and the funding of SSTO to contrast. Could someone please recommend some sources that would be useful? Thank you. -- Sean Gallagher gallas2@rpi.edu " 8425,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 13 In article <2BDC2931.17498@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, >but isn't that action a little draconian? What alternative would you suggest be taken to safeguard the lives of Israeli citizens? Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 8426,12,"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Organization: Michigan Technological University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 21 Charlie Brett (cfb@fc.hp.com) wrote: : You were right the second time, it is KNX. Believe it or not, I also : listen to KNX in the evenings here in Colorado! It's kind of fun driving : through the country listening to traffic jams on the 405. Back to your : original question. Yes, there are sensors just past every on-ramp and : off-ramp on the freeways. They're the same sensors used at most stoplights : now (coils in the pavement). You might want to give CalTrans a call or : even ask Bill Keene (KNX's traffic reporter). I doubt if just anyone can : get the information, but it would be worth asking just in case you can : get it. I seem to remember that they sell the information (and a computer connection) to anyone willing to pay. On the subject of the pavement sensors, can anyone tell me more about them? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat. " 8427,19,"Subject: Re: ""lds"" Rick's reply From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 159 Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) writes: #Rick Anderson replied to my letter with... # #ra> In article , #ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: #ra> (...) # Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to # differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may # not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith # on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is # truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. It may be ""irrelevant"" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say ""bias""?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You're right, ""the bottom line IS truth,"" independant from you or anyone else. Since you proclaim ""truths"" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what authority you do this? Because ""it says so in the Bible?"" --Does the Bible ""say so,"" or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or ""disapproval""? Excuse moi, but your line of ""truths"" haven't moved me one bit to persuade me that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the ""preachers"" of ""truth"" on this net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking crew, with no positive message to me or any other Latter-day Saint... BTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus to the pharisees: ""ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips, but your hearts are far removed from me..."" # Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created # and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon # belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to # have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address # and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the # conclusion that you grant. Sophistry. Look who's talking: ""jumping to conclusions?"" You wouldn't do that yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless whether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points of view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration whatsoever. # # The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus # is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS # belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. A beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation of lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you. Jesus and lucifer are not ""the same,"" silly, and you know it. (...) # The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is # nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible # says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: Correction: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible indeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they ""belong to"" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have rebelled against God, and are not ""children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"" but it doesn't mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to separate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of salvation. # # The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the # kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked ""one""; # (Matthew 13:38) So? --This illustrates nicely what I just said: the children of the kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus (and have shown ""works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the wicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue of satan's spirit-origin (and of those who followed him) has not been addressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your ""right"" with non- related scriptures. (...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...) #ra> > We are told that, ""And this is life eternal, that they might know #ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."" #ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the #ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly #ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of #ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim Correction: ""my"" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be reconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him, I concur, but I honestly couldn't care less. #ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the #ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and #ra> > not the construct of imagination. In this single posting of yours, I've seen more ""constructs of imagination"" than in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news group. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us about ""the only true God,"" whom you interpret according to your own likes and dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about Him myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other faiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different way or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission and progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob or opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited every continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear. # This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but # rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read # something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. Sigh. ""What the Bible teaches""? Or: ""what the bible teaches according to Robert Weiss and co.?"" I respect the former, I reject the latter without the remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by the way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you being a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a Christian (following my own image of Him in my heart). (...) # Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of # Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't # think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the # issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this # subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may # certainly be. The issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis- represent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of ""official doctrine"" is obviously very important. McConkie's views have been controversial (e.g. ""The Seven Deadly Heresies"" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best, or erroneous at worst (""blacks not to receive the priesthood in this dispensation""). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable contribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal interpretations (his book ""Mormon Doctrine"" is oftentimes referred to as ""McConkie's Bible"" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather look to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley's books! (The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of God than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted doctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and speculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most biased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the trash coming from your proverbial pen. I'm somewhat appalled that I have allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting... ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu UCS Computer Facilities " 8428,5,"From: bryan@alex.com (Bryan Boreham) Return-Path: Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Nntp-Posting-Host: tweety Reply-To: bryan@alex.com Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England Lines: 15 In article <735259869.13021@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: > The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". > The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), > it is *much* slower. The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because it thinks the window is already in the right place. Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to me; all information greatly received. Bryan. " 8429,1,"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 15 Hi Netters, I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. Can you please offer some recommendations? I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. Thanks (Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) Bob Carpenter " 8430,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Need info on 43: 1 and suicide for refutation Lines: 85 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Distribution: usa In article <1qmuv8INNl8s@dns1.NMSU.Edu> loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) writes: >The following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending) >article about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies, >(sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...) >and was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper >at the University of Colorado at Boulder. > >""A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that >a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder. The ""used to kill"" is the heart of the misinformation. It's one of those technically accurate phrasings that conveys the wrong impression. What Mr. Quiqley is more than aware of, I'm sure, is that when people read this they think violent arguments where one member of the family grabs a gun and shoots another, thereby creating a tragic situation which could easily have been avoided had the gun not been there, or a tragic accident, especially involving a child. Unfortunately, that's not the way things stack up. The majority of that 43 ""times"" (37 I believe) are suicides. That is, someone intentionally took a firearm and shot themselves intending to kill themselves. And why it's popular to try and blame suicides on guns, the evidence doesn't support this. Internal studies, as well as comparative studies with other countries, indicate that cultural factors far outweigh whether a person will kill themselves or not. (Japan, for instance, has a slightly higher rate than the U.S. There people jump off buildings.) According to the National Crime Survey, 40% of violent crime is commited by ""non-strangers,"" which mistakenly has been generalized regarding the King County study to mean, ""Friends and family."" That is, Mr. Quigley, and others who quote this statistic, are banking on the mental image that a ""Friend, family member, or child,"" equates to a loving relationship, and that it was cut short in a moment of anger. Unfortunately, all too often husbands beat and kill wives, children assault parents, or vice-versa. Most rapes are commited by someone known to the victim, for instance. Essentially, that a gun was used against a ""friend"" or family member doesn't mean they weren't trying to hurt the other person. Crime is highest among poor urban families, and those are also the areas most ""at risk"" for family problems, especially violent ones. A son in a gang may not be as loving toward his parents if they disapprove than a suburban kid might. Finally, it hinges on the fallacy that a dead intruder is the only value of a self-defense firearm. Using the minimum figures I worked out using the NCS I got about an 80:1 ratio between deadly self-defenses (justifiable homicides) and with-gun self-defenses. Between the FBI Uniform Crime report and the NCS there's an enormous amount of data and anybody with the calculator can crunch the numbers. As such it is incorrect to assume that a dead body is the only valid means of determining the success of such a defense, since according to the NCS (which has been considered by many to seriously under-report defenses) there were far more successful with-gun defenses than intruders killed. Not it also confines itself to the home, where attack by a ""friend or family member"" is far, far more likely, and excludes any defense which occurs outside the home. (I believe a large number occur in businesses.) >Studies by the >Western Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence >of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member >will commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness."" I have not seen the exact data for this, so I can't comment. I will point out Canada's and Japan's suicide rate as indications that culture far more than firearm availability affect suicide rates. There was also a comparative study between Canada (for what it's worth, considering the difficulty of comparing across cultural lines) published in the New England Journal of Medicine (I can get the exact cite if you need it) that concluded that restrictive firearm laws would not significantly impact the over-all suicide rate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 8431,5,"From: Rob Earhart Subject: Re: Q: How to avoid XOpenDisplay hang? Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Don't know how to avoid the XOpenDisplay hang... but perhaps you could use something else (such as zephyr, perhaps)? )Rob " 8432,5,"From: masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) Subject: How do I find my AppContext? Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu Keywords: Context, Xt, motif, application X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use to give me this value? Thanks, Todd Greene masc0442@ucssun1.sdsu.edu ~ " 8433,9,"From: rcasteto@watsol.uwaterloo.ca (Ron Castelletto) Subject: Orioles Phillies Red Sox Keywords: orioles phillies red sox baltimore philadelphia boston bosox Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 20 Can someone send me ticket ordering information for the following teams: Baltimore, Philadelphia and Boston. Also, if you have a home schedule available - can you tell me the dates for all home games between July26-Aug6 and between Aug30-Sept10 and if any of these games are promotion nights or special discount nights? Thanks !!! Ron PS: and also who the opponents are for these games :-) Do NOT reply to this account, please reply to: ronc@vnet.ibm.com __ _ IBM Canada Lab Database Technology | \ / \ Associate Development Analyst |__/ on | astelletto (416) 448-2546 Tie Line: 778-2546 | \_ \_/ Internal Mail: 51/843/895/TOR " 8434,15,"From: lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu (L Clator Butler Jr) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: Clemson University Lines: 11 mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the >Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so >(it would have discredited the Christians). It is told in the Gospels that the Pharisees (sp.?) and scribes bribed the Roman soldiers to say that the Diciples stole his body in the night. Good enough excuse for the Jewish and Roman objectives (of that day). --Clator --lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu " 8435,11,"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: IR Lines: 15 Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it. The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C. The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted? ---Dan " 8436,3,"From: kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk (K J MacDonald) Subject: Upgrade 386SX-25 to 386DX-40 ? Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 41 I'm thinking of splashing out on a new motherboard for my PC. I am running Linux as my main OS, with a small DOS partition left for my flatmates' games. My current setup is a 386SX-25 (AMD) with 387SX-25 (ITT - I think) and 9 Mbytes of 70ns SIMMS, and (120+100)Mbyte IDE. Basically I have two choices 1) Get a 386DX-40 + 387DX-40 or 2) Get some sort of 486. Unfortunately I live in the UK where computer prices are far too high. The first option works out at about \pounds 200. 486 m/boards start at this price for a SX-25. I have a couple of questions. 1) How much of an improvement in speed should I notice if I get a 386DX+copro. Remember I'm using a 32 bit OS, and alot of Floating Point operations. 2) How much faster would a 486DX-33 be than the 386DX-40+copro ? Should I get an upgradeable m/board with a 386DX-40 and wait for AMD/Pentium price pressure to reduce the costs of the 486 ? Any experiences will be most helpful ... Kenny. PS. Example prices: 386DX-40+copro M/board ~$270 486DX33 M/board ~$580 ----------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth MacDonald E-mail kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk Dept. of Geology & Geophysics University of Edinburgh Scotland ----------------------------------------------------------- " 8437,12,"From: segal@rtsg.mot.com (Gary Segal) Subject: Pinout needed for TIL311 Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla7 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 17 I've recently picked up some TIL311 display chips, but I can't find any information on them. It seems they are no longer made by TI, and I don't have an old enough data book. :-( It appears to have a dot-matrix led display capable of showing one hex digit. It is in a 14 pin DIP package, but pins 6, 9, and 11 are not present. If you have any information on this part (pinout, power requirments, functions, ...) please send me e-mail. Thank You, -- Gary Segal Motorola Inc. segal@oscar.rtsg.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Division --- we are standing here only to gaze at the wind --- " 8438,17,"From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute Lines: 12 arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: >Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. >NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE > * INQUIRY: Transcripts reveal nearly 40 years of espionage > by a man who infiltrated political groups >By Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer. Did they have a file on Yigal too? " 8439,8,"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack! Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 21 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) says: >I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a Yamaha >750 Twin (A.K.A. ""the vibrating tank"") when I heard a wierd noise off to my >left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and >jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left >side. When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it was not >there! I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I had been >hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage! This hubcap weighed >about 4-5 pounds! The impact had bent the left peg flat against the frame >and tweeked the shifter in the process. Had I not heard the approaching >cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot. > Hmmmm.....I wondered where that hubcap went. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 8440,8,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 17 Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote: : What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after : you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I : don't ride until tomorrow""? It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says ""eight hours, bottle to throttle"" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than twice as strict as DWI minimums. BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal. Coffee, hyperventilation and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 8441,18,"From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 54 thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >>>In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that >>> ^^^^^ >>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? >> >>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. >> >>I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several >>different news groups, including something along the lines of >>alt.discrimination. >Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination. >Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted >to two of those three (omitting soc.motss). >Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer >the question posed? If your statement is so ""beign""(!?), you should have no >trouble politely responding to a polite query. Well, I don't think your query was exactly polite, but I will TRY to give you a polite responce. Something atypical of the net, but here it goes. Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King. From many of the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective is commonly in front of his name. I have NEVER seen anyone complain about the use of this adjective when used in a benign manner. I did not say that Mr. King was a no good black! I do not know Mr. King and would not make this ascertian without some evidence to this effect. I used it PURELY as a descriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have used it in the past. The entire second trial was about race, Ted. I don't feel compelled to discuss Mr. King's racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would not have been a second trial. You probably are saying that the beating would not have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call to make. It is possible the case, but not definately. I still think your actions are crap, Ted. They are far more divisive than me using the adjective 'black' in a non-derogenory manner. Would you have been happier if I had used 'African-american' ? If so, then you really are lost in the world of PC. You have already been instrumental in getting one persons net access revoked, and I wonder if you have sent a copy of my message to my sys admin with a plea that I am not worthy of posting. The way you went about this 'polite' inquiry makes me believe it was anything but. " 8442,12,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: Circuit Cellar Ink address? Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 14 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu In article <1qvlmaINNhuu@shelley.u.washington.edu>, ptorre@hardy.u.washington.edu (Phil Torre) wrote: > > Is CCI still published? If so, does anyone have their address? Circuit Cellar Inc. 4 Park St. Suite 20 Vernon, CT 06066 (203)875-2751 Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC " 8443,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Mary Ellen Carter Salvage Crew Distribution: na In-Reply-To: jhesse@netcom.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 01:36:41 GMT Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching! Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 25 In article jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every aspect of our lives. Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for privacy technology. One small step at a time. Remember ""Defend Firearms - Defeat Dukakis"", followed by Bush's soon-after- election support for gun-control? This is the Democrats' version ""Defend Free Speech - Reject Republicans"" followed by speech control. Wait a minute.... Let me think about this. Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We've nothing to fear. They're here to help us. God bless America. Hey, like the grrreat J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs says, you've got to pull the wool over your *own* eyes! -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 8444,13,"From: ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch Subject: left side pains Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland Lines: 21 Hello to everybody, I write here because I am kind of desperate. For about six weeks, I've been suffering on pains in my left head side, the left leg and sometimes the left arm. I made many tests (e.g. computer tomography, negative, lyme borreliosis, negative, all electrolytes in the blood in their correct range), they're all o.K., so I should be healthy. As a matter of fact, I am not feeling so. I was also at a Neurologist's too, he considered me healthy too. The blood tests have shown that I have little too much of Hemoglobin (17.5, common range is 14 to 17, I unfortunately do not know about the units). Could these hemi-sided pains be the result of this or of a also possible block of the neck muscles ? I have no fever, and I am not feeling entirely sick, but neither entirely healthy. Please answer by direct email on Thanks for every hint Nico " 8445,2,"From: keiths@spider.co.uk (Keith Smith) Subject: win/NT file systems Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK. Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: trapdoor.spider.co.uk OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5 can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something) the Win/NT NTFS file system. I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system keith " 8446,12,"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: mysterious TV problem -- source? Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 30 LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu writes: >Initial symptoms: >-no picture or sound >-CRT filament does NOT glow >-flyback ticking as described abovew >Discovered when hooked up the scope: >-IF strip is not putting out audio or video signals >-everything is making simple 20-30 Hz pulses >-horiz out transistor collector (case of the TO-3) is a 20-30 Hz downgoing > sawtooth with ca. 15kHz ring at front end >guys, WHAT""S GOING ON HERE? Anyone seen this before? What is happening is this: 1) You turn the TV on. 2) The horizontal output begins normal operation. This powers up the high voltage and most of the rest of the circuitry. 3) A problem is sensed and the horizontal oscillator shuts down. 4) After it powers down the cycle repeats. Things to check: First check for a shorted high power component. Your best bet is the vertical output transistor(s) or, if there is one, the voltage regulator. The most common cause of this type of failure is too much current being drawn somewhere. Also look for shutdown circuits (which your TV may or may not have), if you can find one that is shutting down the horizontal oscillator then it shouldn't be too hard to find the problem from there. " 8447,12,"Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 56 In article <1qevrf$4t@hpscit.sc.hp.com> writes: > > As is typical nowadaze, you will probably have to do somebody else's job > for them. Although this shouldn't be needed, you might take a few minutes > to wander around the neighborhood with an HT sniffing for cable leakage > on your freq. after shutting down your system for a while. > > If you are fortunate enough to the find the hole, call the cable company and > get the highest link in the chain of command you can. Explain the problem, > whose job it really is to maintain THEIR equipment, and how much of a nice > guy you are to have tracked down THEIR problem for them. > > You may have been lucky and made a new contact that could be helpful in the > future. > > You should always try the 'honey' approach before bringing out the > Jack Nicholson impressions..... >:-) > > This has worked for me in the past with the power company when tring to > find loose/noisy high voltage lines/hardware. Only once did I have to > tell them I was narrowing the problem down to a specific pole by bumping > a whole line of poles with my car. Got 'em out there THAT NIGHT. And, they > didn't have to meet Jack! > > As a disclaimer, THEIR method for finding loose hardware was usually > whacking the poles with a huge sledgehammer after their high tech arc- > finding 'scope couldn't find the problem. > > > > Bill > wb6 rotten zucchini garden Here in switzerland, the situation is exactly the same. The cable tv companies even tried to stop amateur radio in switzerland in the beginning of cable tv(they seem to be too stupid to know anything about international frequency conferences or so). Even today, they use the cheapest possible coax running into problems they can't solve anymore. As Bill noted, the only way is to look for a solution with the neighbours *BEFORE* calling for the cable tv guys or the fcc. The chance to find neighbours with some sense for reason is by far bigger than with these people (especially the first ones). As anywhere in an administration people don't like, if You tell them to work for the money they get... The problem is, that radio amateurs don't have the power to put trough their rights in all cases. So let's hope they start soon with optical fibers and get out of our freqencies. Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) -- Robert Ganter /------------\ Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | Basel/Switzerland \------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU " 8448,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 29 dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: > Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about > it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts > on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom > stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort > of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. It poses a > question about 'spirituality' each issue, and solicits responses to be > included in the next 'issue.' It's all pretty vague. I assume it's put out > by a Christian, but they're very careful not to mention Jesus or the bible. > I've heard someone defend it, saying ""Well it doesn't support any one religion. > "" So what??? This is a STATE university, and as a strong supporter of the > separation of church and state, I was enraged. > > What can I do about this? It sounds to me like it's just SCREAMING OUT for parody. Give a copy to your friendly neighbourhood SubGenius preacher; with luck, he'll run it through the mental mincer and hand you back an outrageously offensive and gut-bustingly funny parody you can paste over the originals. I can see it now: The Stool Scroll Thoughts on Religion, Spirituality, and Matters of the Colon (You can use this text to wipe) mathew " 8449,4,"From: orly@phakt.usc.edu (Mr. Nitro Plastique) Subject: *** HELP! Newly installed Falcon 2.21 bombs my SE! (Crashed internal HD) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu HELP! I just received my Falcon 2.2.1 upgrade from Spectrum Holobyte today. My SE is running Sys 7.0.1 with 4mb of RAM. Like the instructions said, I only installed Disk 2 (The program...no start up screen or music). I just downloaded Macsbug from ftp.apple.com like it said, and installed it in my System folder. I restarted the mac an hour later, and it wouldn't completely boot off the internal HD. I get the ""happy mac"", then it disappears, only to reappear and repeat the cycle continuously. I never even get the ""Welcome to Macintosh"" message. Norton utilities fixed about 12 new problems, but the same thing still happened. What do I do? Please e-mail to ""orly@aludra.usc.edu"" THANKS IN ADVANCE!!! Victor Orly ; -- |Victor R. Orly | ""Try to imagine all life as you know it, | |aka ""Mr. Nitro Plastique"" | stopping instantaneously, and every molecule | |Univ. of Southern California | in your body exploding at the speed of light""| |Internet: orly@aludra.usc.edu| -Egon Spengler, from ""Ghostbusters"" | " 8450,8,"From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion Keywords: advice, pillion, help! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: na Lines: 44 In article rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: <...> <...> >This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much >of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? >I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and >I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're >turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional >signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? I've never liked my passengers to try and shift their weight with the turns at all... I find the weight shift can be very sudden and unnerving. It's one thing if they're just getting comfortable or decide to look over your other shoulder, but I don't recommend having him/her shift her weight with each turn... too violent. Also (I think someone already said this) make sure your passenger wears good gear. I sometimes choose to ride without a helmet or lacking other safety gear (depends on how squidly I feel) but I won't let passengers do it. What I do to myself I can handle, but I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else, so I don't let them on without gloves, jacket, (at least) jeans, heavy boots, and a helmet that *fits* >I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that >she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated... Go *real* easy. It's amazing how solid a grip you have on the handle bars that your passenger does not. Don't make her feel like she's going to slide off the back, and ""snappy"" turns for you are sickening lurches for her. In general, it feels much less controlled and smooth as a passenger. I can't stand being on the back of my brother's bike, and I ride aggressively when i ride and I know he's a good pilot... still, everything feels very unsteady when you're a passenger. >Thanks, > -Bob- Show off by not showing off the first time out... ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | " 8451,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>>How long does it [the motto] have to stay around before it becomes the >>>default? ... Where's the cutoff point? >>I don't know where the exact cutoff is, but it is at least after a few >>years, and surely after 40 years. >Why does the notion of default not take into account changes >in population makeup? Specifically, which changes are you talking about? Are you arguing that the motto is interpreted as offensive by a larger portion of the population now than 40 years ago? keith " 8452,2,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: ATM Organization: AT&T Lines: 39 In article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes: > >I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use >ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all >included ATManager as a ""bonus"" >I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw. >Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff >types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a >decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4 >Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the ""Resolution Enhancement >Technology"" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. >So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >better printer technologies ... and TT? ATM will do nothing for your TrueType fonts. If your TrueType fonts are sufficient for your needs, don't run ATM. I have a lot of fonts that I can install either as Type-1 PostScript (under ATM) or as TrueType. I have noticed that: 1. TrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1 equivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware that TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not (they are encrypted). 2. With a 300 dpi laser printer, the ""artificial bold"" version of a TrueType font is indistingishable from the original, forcing me to install the actual bold (and bold-italic, etc.) variants if I want to use them. Type-1 PostScript fonts under ATM generate a visually distinct bold variant from the base font. I realize that the artificial bold font that ATM generates is aesthetically inferior to the hand-generated bold TrueType variant, but it is sufficient for my needs, and not having to install bold variants saves me 50% on disk space (uncompressed). -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 8453,10,"From: Patrick Walker Subject: They guy who bad-mouthed Ulf... Lines: 16 Organization: The University of New Brunswick Ditto... If we allow people like him to continue to do what he does, it's a shame. People say that cheap shots and drawing penalties by fake- ing is part of the game, I say ""Bullsh-t!"". If he ever tried some like that on a Yzerman, he'd would have to deal with Probert now wouldn't he? What Ulf does isn't even retaliatory! There's now way one could justify what he does and if they do they're fools. /----\==========/ Patrick Walker / /--\ =========/ University of New Brunswick I I()I ======/ Canada \ \--/ / Detroit Fan Extraordinaire. \----/ " 8454,14,"From: todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 28 In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: ;From the article ""What's New"" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research: ; ;........ ;WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC ; ;1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? ;What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that ;it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). ;Is NASA really supporting this junk? ;Are protesting groups being organized in the States? ;Really, really depressed. ; ; Enzo I wouldn't worry about it. There's enough space debris up there that a mile-long inflatable would probably deflate in some very short period of time (less than a year) while cleaning up LEO somewhat. Sort of a giant fly-paper in orbit. Hmm, that could actually be useful. As for advertising -- sure, why not? A NASA friend and I spent one drunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need to put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization on the face of the Moon. Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning. " 8455,8,"From: RYLV80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (William Mohrman) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: Motorola Nntp-Posting-Host: waccvm.corp.mot.com Lines: 43 > > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after >you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I >don't ride until tomorrow""? This thread brings back memorys of an expensive day in traffic court a few years ago. While I was waiting my turn to state my case and plea of why I was going 75 in a 55 in my cage, I had the opportunity to listen to some of the ""creative excuses"" offered the judge by others. After listening to a number of ""Well, I was passing a very slow truck that suddenly speed up"" versions, I decided that the judge had heard just about every story in the book and then some. He was less than impressed with any of them. This young, rather burley looking guy, had his docket read by a rather drill sargent looking Ohio State Highyway Patrol Trooper. He was clocked riding a motorcycle at a speed of 110 mph in a 55 mph zone. It was also noted that the defendant (motorcycle rider) had alcohol on his breath, but was not cited for this offence. The judge looked over his half glasses purched on the end of his nose and said in his sternest voice: ""Well son, those are some pretty fast speeds to be riding a motorcycle. What do you have to say for your self?"" ""Well Sir"", meekly the defenant replied, ""I just was over to my buddys and we had a couple of beers and I was on my way home."" He offered nothing more or less. Just had a couple of beers and was doing 110 mph on his way home. The judge moved by the simplicity of the response, fined him the maximum in this case (plus court costs of course) and ordered him to attend remedial drivers training school. Isn't America Great?? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Mohrman 81-CB900C Motorola , SPS Columbus, OH ------------------- Disclaimers Apply ------------------------------ " 8456,7,"From: george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (George Howell) Subject: RE: IMPALA SS GOING INTO Distribution: world Organization: Goucher College, Towson, MD Reply-To: george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (George Howell) Lines: 9 -> Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel -> Air? Or how about the 210? george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org George " 8457,0,"From: mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu Lines: 21 In article jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau) writes: > >If anything, the BSA has taught me, I don't know, tolerance or something. >Before I met this guy, I thought all gays were 'faries'. So, the BSA HAS >taught me to be an antibigot. I could give much the same testimonial about my experience as a scout back in the 1960s. The issue wasn't gays, but the principles were the same. Thanks for a well put testimonial. Stan Krieger and his kind who think this discussion doesn't belong here and his intolerance is the only acceptable position in scouting should take notice. The BSA has been hijacked by the religious right, but some of the core values have survived in spite of the leadership and some scouts and former scouts haven't given up. Seeing a testimonial like this reminds me that scouting is still worth fighting for. On a cautionary note, you must realize that if your experience with this camp leader was in the BSA you may be putting him at risk by publicizing it. Word could leak out to the BSA gestapo. Bill Mayne " 8458,5,"From: egreshko@twntpe.cdc.COM (Ed Greshko) Subject: cxterm on MIPS Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hello, Has anyone built cxterm (X11R5) on a MIPS platform. If you have, please send me email as I don't read this group. I've a bunch of questions... :-) Thanks Edward M. Greshko Control Data Taiwan Voice: +886-2-715-2222 x287 6/F, 131 Nanking East Road, Section 3 FAX : +886-2-712-9197 Taipei, Taiwan R.O.C " 8459,13,"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 34 In article michael@iastate.edu (Michael M. Huang) writes: >MSG is common in many food we eat, including Chinese (though some oriental >restaurants might put a tad too much in them). I've noticed that when I >go out and eat in most of the Chinese food restaurants, I will usually get >a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards. This happens to many >of my friends and relatives too. And, heh, we eat Chinese food all the >time at home :) (but we don't use MSG when we're cooking for ourselves) > >So, when we put one and one together, it can be safely assumed that >MSG may cause some allergic reactions in some people. > >Stick with natural things. MSG doesn't do body any good (and possibly >harms, for that matter). So, why bother with it? Taste food as it should >be tasted, and don't cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of MSG. As I understood it, MSG *is* natural. Isn't it found in tomatoes? Anyway, lots of people are terribly allergic to lots of natural things; peanuts, onions, tomatoes, milk, etc. Just because something is 'natural' doesn't mean it won't cause problems with some folks. As for how foods taste: If I'm not allergic to MSG and I like the taste of it, why shouldn't I use it? Saying I shouldn't use it is like saying I shouldn't eat spicy food because my neighbor has an ulcer. People have long modified the taste of food by additives, whether they be chiles, black pepper, salt, cream sauces, etc. All of these things cloud the flavor of the food. Why do we bother with them? How should food be tasted? Isn't it better left to the diner? Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else " 8460,17,"Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! From: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 43 stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: > Even the most extemist, one sided (jewish/israeli) postings (with which I > certainly disagree), did not openly back plain murder. You do. > > The 'Lebanese resistance' you are talking about is a bunch of lebanese > farmers who detonate bombs after work, or is an organized entity of not- > only-lebanese well trained mercenaries ? I do not know, just curious. > > I guess you also back the killings of hundreds of marines in Beirut, right? > > What kind of 'resistance' movement killed jewish attlets in Munich 1972 ? > > You liked it, didn't you ? > > > You posted some other garbage before, so at least you seem to be consistent. > > Dorin Dorin, Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. And resistance is different from terrorism. Certainly the athletes in Munich were victims of terrorists (though some might call them freedom fighters). Their deaths cannot be compared to those of soldiers who are killed by resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the hostile occupiers in WWII. Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving out the US) -marc -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with both eyes. My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. ______________________________________________________________________________ " 8461,15,"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 15 I think it was Lewis who said that in a wedding, it's the principals that marry each other; the church and the state are present merely as witnesses. ------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Steele In coming to understand anything MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they 244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. 617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis [This is not just Lewis -- it's a summary of standard Catholic theology. However this doesn't mean that the presence of those witnesses is optional, except in odd situations like the standard desert island. --clh] " 8462,11,"Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security) From: vkub@charlie.usd.edu (Vince Kub) Reply-To: vkub@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 82 In article <1993Apr13.143712.15338@cadkey.com>, eric@cadkey.com (Eric Holtman) writes: >In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >> >>I'm not a lawyer, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doing that could be >>considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for >>quite a while. >> >>The thing that's great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so >>even if the FBI do get the key, they're SOL unless they know the magic >>word. If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say >>""Oops, I forgot."" Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution >>in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you >>didn't forget your pass phrase. >> > >Well, I'm no lawyer, but I'll supply some ancedotal evidence which may >change your mind. ** Note ** I do not agree AT ALL with what went on in >this case, and neither will most of you. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT >THAT IT *DID* HAPPEN. Right here in America even..... > >About three or four years ago, there was a rather nasty custody case in >or around Washington D.C. The upshot was, an ex-husband was suing for >visitation rights, which were granted. The woman believed that the man >had been sexually molesting her children. (much like Allen/Farrow, but >not as famous). Anyhows, she spirits away the kids and refuses to tell the >court where they are, and denies him visitation rights. > >She ""keeps her mouth shut"", and what happens? She SITS IN JAIL for almost >a year, on CONTEMPT OF COURT, until the legislature passes a special law >limiting the time a person can be held. If they hadn't passed the law, she'd >most likely still be there. The kids were in New Zealand, I belive. > >Now (story finished, commetary starting).... IMHO, the only reason the >legislature moved was because there was an outpouring of public sympathy >for this woman... most people believed she was right, and were outraged. >Not likely to happen for Joe Random Drug Dealer, Child Molester or perfectly >innocent privacy lover, who might have something >to hide. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you get to walk out >of court humming a happy tune because the FBI can't read your disk. Just >ask those held for contempt, those who can't make bail, etc, etc. > >Again.... I disagree totally with the concept of holding someone based >on suspicion, but people who keep thinking that it won't happen are bound >to get a rude shock when it does...... >-- Also not a lawyer, etc. but if I remember correctly the Contempt of Court business is used in order to compel cooperation with what is (perhaps questionably, different issue) the legitimate business of that court. Quite literally the party is found guilty of holding the court ""in contempt"". Now, the original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if certain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no question of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no longer there to be produced. Obstruction of justice would be a different issue but if the suspect in question would have some legitmate reason to protect his data from prying eyes (however extenuated) I think that this charge would be a hard nut to make. Perhaps it is time for a lawyer to step in and clear this all up? -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- Vincent A. Kub, WD0DBX | ""Saints should always be judged | guilty until they are proven vkub@charlie.usd.edu | innocent."" -Geo. Orwell | 14 W.Cherry St. #2 | ""It is good to die before one has Vermillion, S.Dakota 57069 | done anything deserving of death."" phone or fax to (605) 624-8680 | - Anaxandirdes | King of Sparta ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQBNAiudo1MAAAECAKRkUUWW+Tqsoa1nD+GaSbpXcDhSrHpMEBPjKlyiKuIjzaT6 auO/hnqW/652YicVaJlXspb5D2giMc09TG2sGY0ABRG0CVZpbmNlIEt1Yg== =IuUb -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- " 8463,5,"From: pmg@mdavcr.mda.ca (Phil Gray) Subject: Opinions on Galaxy ? Summary: Does anybody have any negative experiences ? Keywords: GUI Builders, evaluation Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler and Associates Lines: 21 We are currently evaluating GUI builders, initially for Motif but with a wish to be flexible & portable. We have been through the popular names (UIMX, TeleUSE, XVT etc) and have been very impressed with what we have seen of Galaxy from Visix. I have spoken to current users from a list supplied by Visix (happy users as you would expect), and seen favourable comments on the net. However, since it is fairly expensive to get an evaluation license from Visix, I would like to query the net for any negative experiences with Galaxy. Did anybody evaluate them and prefer another tool or use Galaxy and regret it or find any mis-features ? advTHANKSance, Phil -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil M Gray Voice: (604) 278-3411 MacDonald Dettwiler Fax: (604) 278-2117 13800 Commerce Parkway Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3 {pmg@mda.ca | ..!uunet!van-bc!mdavcr!pmg} " 8464,11,"From: bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 Andrew Richard Conway (arc@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell : them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, : so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling : anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will : notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians buy Apple II's because of security concerns. -- Ben (-: bena@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au :-) " 8465,18,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 15 In article <15416@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: #That describes some straights -- and nearly all homosexual males. Can you provide any evidence that doesn't ahve massive selection effects? No, I thought not. Just slander on your part. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w " 8466,16,"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) In-Reply-To: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)'s message of 21 Apr 1993 12:34:51 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi> <1993Apr21.091130.17788@ousrvr.oulu.fi> <1r3f1bINN3n6@gap.caltech.edu> Lines: 24 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no Chemical weapons are not concidered a *very* effectiv weapon against millitary forces. On civillians on the other hand.... That's one GOOD reason for banning it. You need VAST amounts of chemicals to be affective, so the best reason to have/use it is price. (that's why it's called The Poor Mans A-bomb) Any thoughts on Bio-weapons ?? If this discusion is about civillians having chem-weapons; What should they use them on?? Rob a bank ?? This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no " 8467,13,"From: C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha) Subject: Infant Immune Development Question Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 10 As an animal science student, I know that a number of animals transfer immunoglobin to thier young through thier milk. In fact, a calf _must_ have a sufficient amount of colostrum (early milk) within 12 hours to effectively develop the immune system, since for the first (less than) 24 hours the intestines are ""open"" to the IG passage. My question is, does this apply to human infants to any degree? Thanks for your time responding, Matthew Keeler c599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu " 8468,10,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: > Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to > Pittsburgh? No. In what still, IMHO, ranks as the all-time greatest PR blunder (not to mention on-ice blunder) the Whalers ever committed, GM Eddie Johnston and Coach Rick Ley 'decided' that Francis was incapable as a leader and stripped him of the Captain's ""C"" in December of 1990. The whole organization (read: EJ and Ley, and by default owner Richard Gordon because he was too much of a dupe to know how much he was being blind-sided by EJ) dumped on Francis all season, starting with refusing to sign him to a new contract, publicly humiliating him, stripping him of the ""C"", and then trading him that Spring to the Penguins. Classy guy, that EJ. The loss of Francis (and too a lesser extent, Ulf), was one of a series of decimating player moves by EJ which stripped the personality and fan-awareness from the team that has put them in the precarious position they are in today. [Gratuitous good EJ note...he did preside over the organization when it acquired Verbeek, Cassels, Sanderson, Poulin, Nylander, etc. He stripped the roster but he DID lay a foundation.] -SG (a real live Hartford Whalers season ticket holder) -steveg@cadkey.com " 8469,12,"From: schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Nntp-Posting-Host: silene Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr21.085848.12704W@lumina.edb.tih.no>, ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu>, mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: |> |> > I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not |> >impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good |> >one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying |> >to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, |> >assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, |> >legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of |> >files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy |> >protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for |> >practical applications, and are merely curious? |> > Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I |> >can. |> |> May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a |> ""Copy protection FAQ"" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such |> an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will |> provide the answers :-) |> |> Ketil Albertsen Hey, now will you stop encouraging him? Copy protection only serves one pur- pose: to keep the honest buyer from making (legal) backup copies. It will definitely not stop any pirates. If you want to protect you soft, supply a good documentation and support. This is IMHO the *only* way of effectively pro- tecting software. Best Regards, Arno -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arno Schaefer ENSIMAG, 2e Annee Email: schaefer@silene.imag.fr Tel.: (33) 76 51 79 95 :-) ------- No, you're not paranoid - the world is really out to get you ----------- " 8470,16,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: na X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 38 hambidge@bms.com wrote: : In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: : >: Rate := per capita rate. The UK is more dangerous. : >: Though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun, the average : >: individual citizen in the UK is twice as likely to be killed : >: by whatever means as the average Swiss. Would you feel any better : >: about being killed by means other than a handgun? I wouldn't. : : >What an absurd argument. Switzerland is one-fifth the size of the : >UK with one-eigth as many people therefore at any given point on : >Swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait. More importantly, : >you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching : >you on a Swiss street than in the UK. : You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL : NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. : Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the : rate would be 10/100,000. A place that had 50 deaths and a population : of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000. The former has a higher : rate, the latter a higher total. You are less likely to die in the : latter. Simple enuff? For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: handgun homicides/population ---------------------------- Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 UK : 8 / 55,670,000 ... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. Your choice. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 8471,2,"From: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Roderick Campbell) Subject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11 Reply-To: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca Organization: Dept. of Physics, Memorial University Lines: 61 In article , sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: |> --- |> |> |> |> With my limited knowladge about the PC Geos, I came out with following |> comparison: |> |> PC Geos Windows OS/2 Unix/X11 |> ________ _______ ____ _______ |> |> 1. Can run dos |> programs yes yes yes yes(needed add.) |> [lines deleted] |> |> 7. price $120 $70 $120 free-$1000s |> A good one |> costs $400-$700 |> avaliable on Ext. |> card too. |> |> 8. C compiler Don't think so yap yap yap |> |> 9. C++ no Yap Yap Yap |> |> 10. Fortran no yap yap yap |> |> 11. debuger ? yap yap yap |> |> 12. min to run dos 2M & 10Mb-Hard ? 386 |> |> You guys and gals add to this list, so we do not throw our many down the |> tubes. |> |> With highest regards, |> Babak Sehari. |> This list appears to imply, that MS-windows that has a cost listed above at $70, comes with a C compiler, C++ and Fortran. It does not, of course. These are expensive add-ons that drive the price WAY beyond $70. ( I don't know if the same applies to OS/2 ) As far as unix is concerned; There is a free unix, linux, that has cc, ~c++, fortran ( f2c ), Xwindows and many other features besides, with a large number of utilities that can be optionally added. And there is also a free 386BSD I believe. Both these unix's are quite robust. You can check out comp.os.linux If you don't want to ""throw our many down the tubes"", you've got to break that list down a little more. -- Roderick Campbell Department of Physics Memorial University of Newfoundland St. John's, NF, CANADA internet: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca " 8472,6,"From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar) Subject: ===> 10 MONTH OLD POLK SPEAKERS FOR SALE <== Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department Distribution: usa Lines: 17 *** 10 MONTH OLD POLK SYSTEM FOR SALE *** Excellent condition 10 month old (proof available) Polk Monitor 4.6 bookshelf speakers are being offered for sale. The are excellent, and sound great. I am going for a higher model. So I need to sell these speakers. I paid $250 for the pair of bookshelf speakers. I am willing to consider the best offer. Send me your offers. E-mail: suraj@cs.jhu.edu. Also have excellent condition Luxman receiver R-351 and Onkyo tape deck TA-RW404 for sale. Both are in excellent condition and just 10 months old. Makes an excellent system. Paid $950 for receiver, tape deck and speakers 10 months back, will consider the best offer. Each piece will be sold seperately if wanted. E-mail best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu -Suraj " 8473,19,"From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) Subject: Re: Abortion News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 22 Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com Organization: The Village Waterbed In <18275.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes: >To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) >From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com > >LM>> >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away. >LM>> >LM>>LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of >LM>>LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel. >LM>> >LM>>Life is not a ""violation"". > >LM>But forcing someone to harbor that life in their body *is* a violation. > >Letting a mother force a child from her body, in order to end that >childs life is the ultimate violation. I happen to take the violation of a person much more seriously than the ""violation"" of a mindless clump of cells smaller than my thumb. Your mileage may vary. -- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet) " 8474,11,"From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Distribution: na Lines: 18 geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes: >It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever >administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have >initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already >we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us. No kidding. The most recent post I saw in alt.privacy.clipper (and I hope anyone interested in this topic ends up there) states that Clipper has been in development for over four years. I am, however, more than a little PO'd that Clinton put his name on this monstrosity, or even allowed it to get out the door, for that matter. He's already heard from me, and I hope you'll all take the time to voice your extreme displeasure as well. -- Tim Russell Omaha, NE trussell@unomaha.edu " 8475,4,"From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory Distribution: comp Lines: 27 > When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, > particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines > appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open > windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a > window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away > the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not > observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple > monitor with 256 colors is used. > > I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has > been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. I'm having exactly the same problem. Again, it's fine when I switch to 16 colors or a smaller monitor. My configuration is: Model: Centris 610 with 4 MB/80 HD, 512 VRAM, no cards Monitor: MAG MX15F with 16"" monitor adaptor (for resolution of 832*624) I just discovered the problem a little while ago after plugging in my new MAG monitor. It seems to appear either when scrolling through a window or when using Alpha or Word and I enter . My guess is bad VRAMs as well. I really hope it isn't a design flaw. Is anyone at Apple listening? Pushpinder Singh push@media.mit.edu " 8476,3,"From: hendersond@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Doug Henderson) Subject: Kaypro 286 jumper settings Lines: 16 I received a Kaypro 286i computer (DOS) without a manual that describes the jumpers on the motherboard. It came with 640KB and I up'd it to 1MB. But the computer or setup does not recognize the extra 384K. Does anyone know if this computer is capable of greater than 640K on the main board and what jumpers are required to expand it to 1MB? Some specs: Kaypro main board assy number 81-621 Phoenix BIOS v1.51 1985 Thanks in advance, Doug " 8477,6,"From: khiet@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu) Subject: Wanted: AIRCONDITIONER Keywords: WANTED Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 4 I am looking for a good used window air conditioner. A small one is preffered. Call 495-2056 (Peter) and we'll talk about it. Or email me. ""khiet@cn.ecn"" " 8478,1,"From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) NNTP-Posting-Host: imp.sim.es.com I downloaded an image of the earth re-constructed from elevation data taken at 1/2 degree increments. The author (not me) wrote some c-code (included) that read in the data file and generated b&w and pseudo color images. They work very well and are not incumbered by copyright. They are at an aminet site near you called earth.lha in the amiga/pix/misc area... I refer you to the included docs for the details on how the author (sorry, I forget his name) created these images. The raw data is not included. -- David David M. Ingebretsen Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. dingebre@thunder.sim.es.com Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the opinions of my employer, nor are my actions encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my employer. " 8479,18,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu In article <1993Apr15.170239.8211@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes: >There's a guy on death row in Texas that was denied a new trial, dispite >evidence of his inocents. I recommend the book ""Adams _v_ Texas"", the story of a man (Adams) who was sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit. Most of the book is the story of the long appeals process, and the problems and delays caused by not being able to introduce new evidence in certain courts. -- John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) " 8480,16,"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Keywords: BATF FBI Korash ""child abuse"" guns murder CONTROL Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 20 In article <2077@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >I am sick, dismayed, discouraged. And ASHAMED of our Administration. > >Anybody for impeachment? I have already called senators, legislators and the Governor demanding that the warrants be unsealed, and that all involved in this atrocity (including the President, Attorney General and Governor) be suspended pending an investigation. I seriously doubt, however, that anything will ever be done. Welcome to Amerika! -- REMEMBER WACO! Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you? [Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.] " 8481,15,From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord) Subject: Seven castaways w. Gilligan=Seven Deadly Sins Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 Gilligan = Sloth Skipper = Anger Thurston Howell III = Greed Lovey Howell = Gluttony Ginger = Lust Professor = Pride Mary Ann = Envy 8482,8,"From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Nntp-Posting-Host: thor Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation Lines: 21 In article <1qjtr9$llb@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: > >In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says: > >>hello there >>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >>comment on its handling . > >You're kidding, right? This is Flame bait in the extreme. V-max handling? >Har har har har.... Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel, handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have everything... Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days. All this gleemed from reviews and discussions with owners. I too lust after this bike. bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue >> DoD# 255 << " 8483,10,"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Re: Numerical Nothingness Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr18.140401.18439@freenet.carleton.ca> ad684@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bob Wilson) writes: > >Mario averaged 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 >points per game ... the Antigretz Gretzky averaged 2.69 pts/game >Mario projected over 80 games. >213 points (beats Wayne's record by 1) Check your information before posting, Gretzky's record is 215 pts in 80 games. >Over 84 games 97 g + 127 a = 224 points. > Over 84 games, Gretzky's total projected 226 points. >Pitt's winning percentage with Mario (45-10-5) over 84 games >-> 133 points. Would this have been a record? >I know Mtl had 132 one year. The 76-77 Canadiens had .825 percentage, 132 pts in 80 games. (60-8-12). The 29-30 Bruins had a .875 winning percentage. Also the 77-78 Canadiens had a .806 percentage with a 59-10-11 record. >Bob Wilson >ad684@freenet.carleton.ca %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % % \ ________/ * * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % % \ \ Contact for the Blues * * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % % (___) BLUES * *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% " 8484,17,"From: Shelomoh*S*ZIENIUK <27916070@PLEARN.BITNET> Subject: WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING 50TH ANNIVERSARY: A Visitor's ABC Originator: tpm@israel.nysernet.org Reply-To: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET Organization: Nysernet Lines: 32 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- D""SB Mincha, Tish(a Yamim La(Omer, Yom Chamishi, Y""D b'Nisan ThShN""G; Universita Varsha b'Varsha, Galut HaMara Meod. SHALOM ALL! Those of You visiting The Ghetto City these days might be interested in the following events timetable (abridged): 19:00, Fri., 16th April, '93: Kabbalat Shabbat service at the Nozyk Shul (6 Twarda Street, Warsaw -- a 10 mins' walk from the Palace of Science & Culture: the tallest building in the city's centre, & the same distance from the Central Railway Station). 09:30, Sat., 17th April, "" : Shacharit L'Shabbat service, Nozyk Shul. 11:30, Sun., 18th April, "" : The Fallen Ones Memorial service, Nozyk Shul. 13:00, Sun., 18th April, "" : Memorial Ceremony at the Jewish Cemetery (Okopowa Street, Warsaw). 18:00, Sun., 18th April, "" : Official Arts Programme at the Congress Hall (a building adjacent to the Palace of Science & Culture, which -- like the Shul -- is located a quarter's walk from most of downtown hotels: Bristol, Forum, Victoria, Europejski, Holiday Inn, Marriott). 12:00, Mon., 19th April, "" : Laying of Wreaths at the Ghetto Heros Monument. Shabbat Shalom UL'Hitraot B'Varsha! Shelomoh*Slawek*ZIENIUK, student, Univ. of Warsaw (Dept. of Hebrew), Warsaw. ani shalom v'khi adaber hema lamilchama: -- Tehillim Q""K:Z' Guest e-mail account: <27916070@plearn.bitnet> " 8485,10,"From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian) Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: > > It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since > the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball > game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN. > It was good to see the Wings play, but lets not give ESPN too much credit. There weren't any other late baseball games on so they didn't have another option. Eric Sebastian Go Pens... " 8486,8,"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 33 In article nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: >The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to >the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was >driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I >calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the >window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). > >Did I do the right thing? > >Yours Truly : > > Niels Mikkel YESSS! You make me proud to be an 'Merkun. Good thing you didn't get shot though. Don't try that with a good'ole boy in Texas. I once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was in my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic and senseless. All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks back (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the freeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, ""Stick that finger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your sorry-ass throat."" I stared straight ahead, unblinking. A hundred cars were honking. Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red with anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him, waving, honking, flipping him off, yelling... I'm glad he decided not to shoot me. /-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\ | | | DoD# 88888 asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu | | '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr (Erik Asphaug) | | '86 BMW R100GS | \-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/ " 8487,0,"From: geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: SunSelect Lines: 22 Distribution: world Reply-To: geoff@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: poori.east.sun.com Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the subject ""Re: atheist too?"". That was article #473 here; your question was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I saved in the early days were articles from the following notables: >From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) >From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) >From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) >From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry) >From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) >From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is? --- Geoff Arnold, PC-NFS architect, Sun Select. (geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM) --------------------------------------------------+------------------- ""What if they made the whole thing up? | ""The Great Lie"" by Four guys, two thousand years ago, over wine..."" | The Tear Garden " 8488,11,"From: smythw@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (William Smythe) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Nntp-Posting-Host: vccnw03.its.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 47 In article betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford) writes: >Jay Fenton writes: > >>How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >>being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >>unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >>keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". > > I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the >system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being >used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use >the warrant for the first tap to get the key. > > If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but >don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an ""un-authorized"" >encryption scheme. From the limited details released so far, It seems that the clipper chip system must employ some sort of public key cryptography. Otherwise, the key management problems inherent to symetric ciphers would make the system unworkable. It probably has some sort of public key exchange that takes place at the start of each call. Thats how they would identify the private key in their data base? This means that either the NSA has developed some non RSA public key algorythm or the feds have decided to subsidize PKP & RSADSI. The former is rather an exciting posibility since keeping the algorythm secret while making chip implimentations widely avalibe will be exceptionally hard. If the feds are forced to make it avalible in order to gain public acceptance than that could break RSA's stranglehold on public key crypto in the U.S. As for my impressions of the whole scheme It seems that instead of trying to ban strong crypto, they are trying to co-opt it. Their contention that they need to keep the algorythm secret to protect the security of the key registration suggests possible inherent weakness to the algorythm. More likely is that they dont want anyone constructing black market devices which dont have the keys registered. Anyone else notice that in their Q&A session, they talk about releasing the keys only to people with proper autiorization but carefully dance around stating that the keys will simply have to be supeonaed. They seem to be trying to keep open the posibility of obtaining keys without court order even though tapping a phone line requires one. Also pick up on their implicit threat of eithe accept this or we'll ban strong crypto outright? I dont trust this plan at all and plan to oppose it in all (legal) ways possible. Bill Smythe " 8489,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: And Azeri survivors were killed by a shot to the back of the head. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 24 12/12 Armenian Atrocities MOSCOW (AP) -- Azerbaijani forces on Saturday retook three villages seized by Armenians and discovered 16 bodies of executed civilians, Azerbaijani reports said. The Azerbaijani fighters found 16 bodies of civilians, including those of a child and two elderly women who were shot point-blank, ""and survivors were killed by a shot to the back of the head,"" said a ministry statement, carried by the Azerbaijani Azerinform and Turan news agencies and the ITAR-Tass news service. ""Everywhere Armenian occupants were, they left tens of corpses of civilians shot to death point-blank and mutilated,"" the... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 8490,4,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Daystar Turbo 040 Opinions? Lines: 6 I'm thinking about upgrading my 030 50MHz to the 040 33version. Has anyone had any experience with the accelerator, and if so - what do you think? Any problems, what are the speedometer results?, is it much faster than the 50MHz? Basically, I'd appreciate hearing all about this product. Please respond via email, and I'll summarize if there's a big response. thanks in advance, Andrew " 8491,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 15 DN> From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) DN> Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant DN> residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the DN> weakness as they get older. One theory is that the remaining motor DN> neurons have to work harder and so die sooner. If this theory were true, the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy (evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units); it doesn't. Instead, the biopsy shows scattered, angulated, atrophic fibers. This is more consistent with load-shedding by chronically overworked motor neurons - the neurons survive, at the expense of increasingly denervated muscle. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 8492,5,From: arana@labein.ES (Jose Luis Arana) Subject: X Graphics Accelerators Organization: The Internet Lines: 7 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu How can I obtain public information (documentation and sources) about Xservers implemented with graphics processors? I am specially interested in Xservers developed for the TMS34020 Texas Instruments graphic processor. Please send answer to arana@labein.es 8493,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 37 Benedikt Rosenau (I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de) wrote: : When the object of their belief is said to be perfect and make the believers : act in a certain way and we observe that they don't, we have a contradiction. : Something defined contradictorily cannot exist. That what the believe in does : not exist. Secondly, there are better explanations for why they believe than : the existence of the object of their belief. : : : Have you read the FAQ already? : Benedikt Benedikt, I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction. God is said to require certain behavior, but the only compulsion is the believer's sense of duty. A standard of conduct does exist, but we are free to ignore it or misunderstand it or distort it in whatever ways we find convenient, but our response to God's edicts can in no way be used to question God's existence. The behavior of believers is a completely separate question from that of God's existence; there is nothing contradictory here. To say that something defined contadictorily cannot exist, is really asking too much; you would have existence depend on grammar. All you can really say is that something is poorly defined, but that in itself is insufficient to decide anything (other than confusion of course). Your point that there are better reasons for the phenomenon of belief than the object of belief may lead to a rat's nest of unnecessary complexity. I think I know what you're implying, but I'd like to see your version of this better alternative just the same. Bill " 8494,8,"From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year Keywords: congratz Article-I.D.: dsd.1993Apr6.044018.23281 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: >In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes: >> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the >> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences? > >Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the >Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity >to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended >that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function >provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the >gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the >rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers >have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the >CBR900RR and the GTS1000A. I dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth. But if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top triple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice, but I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-) -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 8495,3,"From: jon@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Jon Zeeff) Subject: S3 video card at different address Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 7 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu I'd like to add a second S3 based video card to my system. Does anyone know of a company that sells a card that can coexist with another one? All I really need is color text on one monitor and fast color graphics on the other. Probably just a configurable address would do it. " 8496,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: |> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of |> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading |> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 |> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts |> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum |> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> Just curious. |> |> |> Daemon |> I agree with you. Of cause I'll try to be a daemon :-) Yeh USC " 8497,2,"From: rda771v@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (A.B. Wuysang) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 22 In article ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: >In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: > >>Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and >>Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a >>real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? > >The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded >Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench >results are pretty much inflated. But the impressive performance of the Graphite was not its Winmark, it was its Wintach result (esp. the paint performance). Judging from the Wintach tests, I can hardly imagine that there is a cheat driver for it. +---------------------------------------------------+ | Agus Budy Wuysang | | Digitech Student | | Monash University (Clayton) | | Melbourne, Australia | +---------------------------------------------------+ " 8498,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr17.051701.3419@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: >callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >: >> >: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if >: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your >: >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there >: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. >: >I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be >honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car? Yo! Watch the attributions--I didn't say that! Again, this isn't an appropriate forum for discussions on whether you should shoot someone for property damage/vandalism/theft, but every responsible gun owner realizes that there are limits, and the punishment must fit the crime. I mean, think about it--is a (really) harmless prank worth killing over? As I said, the situation described (punks setting off alarms and taunting people to come out) could turn very ugly very quickly, and it is worth being prepared when your life is potentially on the line. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 8499,4,"From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) Subject: Buying a high speed v.everything modem Article-I.D.: rs6000.1993Apr20.001127.4928 Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club Lines: 26 Just a quick summary of recent findings re. high speed modems. Top three contenders seem to be AT&T Paradyne, ZyXEL, and US Robotics. ZyXEL has the biggest ""cult following"", and can be had for under $300, but I ignored it because I need something with Mac software, which will work without any tweaking. The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables & all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty... USR Sportster for the Mac is also highly (but not as highly) recommended; it's only $250 from ClubMac, and if you are willing to roll your own cable and don't care about the FAXstf software, you can get the generic model from PC outlets for $190. All this assuming that you don't have a rich uncle, and can't afford a Motorola Codex... :-( I ended up ordering the Dataport; we'll see how it works in two weeks or so. -- Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) " 8500,4,"Subject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650 From: Bruce@hoult.actrix.gen.nz (Bruce Hoult) Lines: 16 Zack T. Smith writes: > konpej@eua.ericsson.se (Per Ejeklint) writes: > > >Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but the Centris 650 has the '040 with FPU. > >At least the ones shipped here in Europe. > > You are indeed. The 4/80 model (shipped here) definitely does not have the > FPU. I own one; I know. No, he's not missing anything. You're right that some models of the 650 ship in the USA without FPU or Ethernet. Per Ejeklint is also right -- *all*, I repeat, *ALL* Centris 650's sold here in New Zealand and, I assume, Europe have the FPU and Ethernet. I know. I bought a 650 4/80 and it has both FPU and Ethernet. " 8501,6,"From: me9574@albnyvms.bitnet Subject: Apology (printing) Reply-To: me9574@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 14 Dear Fellow Usenet Users: I would like to give a formal apology for posting an advertisement about my printing business. I did not intend this to be an advertisement, but rather an offer for people on the usenet, many of whom use printing on a regular basis. I was not aware that this is not ""legal"" on the usenet. I am only trying to put myself through college. For those of you who requested information, I will write to you privately. For those of you who are having fun flooding my mailbox, I think you can grow up. To offer advice is one thing, but to use profanity toward me is another. Thank you, Marc ME9574@albnyvms.bitnet " 8502,15,"From: jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Lines: 91 In article trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: = norris@athena.mit.edu writes: [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] = = Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also = assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" = to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't = we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to = ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No reasonable alternative exists. As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). [ ... ] = = It may be that one day man not only can create life but can also = create man. Now, I don't see this happening in my lifetime, = nor do I assert it is probable. But the possibility is there, = given scientists are working hard at ""decoding"" out ""genetic = code"" to perhaps help cure disease of a genetic variation. = Again, though, must there be ""why"" or a ""divine prupose"" to = man's existence? I believe the ""genetic code"" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. = = > When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are = > presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one = > the requires a kind of ""faith"" too. By taking such a hard line in = > your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. = = As far as we can tell, man falls into the ""mammal"" catagory. Now, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That preposition sort of precludes an absolute, doesn't it? Without an absolute conclusion, what are we left with? I believe the word ""faith"" works nicely. = if there were something more to the man (say, a soul), then = we have yet to find evidence of such. But as it is now, man = is a mammal (babies are born live, mother gives milk, we're = warm-blooded, etc.) as other mammals are and is similar in = genetic construction to some of them (in particular, primates). = For more on this check out talk.origins. = = > But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope = > you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by = > reading Paul Johnson's ""A History of Christianity"". From your remarks, = > it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian = > religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in = > Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and = > be animated by some enduring values. = = Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, = Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic = quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, = thus all must be true... Well then, with an *equal* scale, and under an *equal* standard, investigate them all, and discover where God is ( or *whether* he is, for the denial of God is ultimately a statement of faith, non-falsifiable as His existence may be). For isn't this the purpose of religion - to discover, and in discovery, to *know* God? You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your research, do you? After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you really have nothing to worry about, eh? Until the King returns, Jason -- Jason D. Smith | jasons@atlastele.com | I'm not young enough to know everything. 1x1 | " 8503,2,"From: mscha@ctp.com (Michael Schaap) Subject: Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Organization: CTP Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 16 Tony S Annese (claebaur@shell.portal.com) wrote: : In article <1993Apr19.235430.6097@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) writes: : >Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's : >a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since : >it's not a .drv file. : : Thats the file... It's a self-extracting archive. (Run it and it extracts a .drv file.) Michael -- \ / Groeten uit |o| ////// Michael Schaap /\/\ o Nederland \_/ | T P |\ mscha@ctp.com / /_ \ CTP /|\ ()----^ | |Sherrif|/ __________________________ \ / / Inc. _|_ \_____/ \|/ \_|_Dept._|_/ Damn good coffee! And hot! \/\/ " 8504,0,"From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) Subject: Request for Support Organization: Software Engineering Institute Lines: 35 I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate respond to the ""Charley Challenges"" (and judging from my e-mail, there appear to be quite a few of you.) It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge. It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the subject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers, in the following manner: 1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he refuses to do so. --or-- 2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it something similar to the following: ""Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."" Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some honest answers. You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to ask from a devout Christian, would you? Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question. --Dave Wood " 8505,7,"From: Srinagesh Gavirneni Subject: 86 chevy sprint Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30 outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also, did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also, what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction. Any help would be greatly apprecisted Thanks Nagesh " 8506,2,"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) Subject: Re: Telephone # of Cirrus Logic Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 14 In article , chen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Hua Chen) writes: > Is there anybody who knows the telephone number of Cirrus Logic Co., > maker of a graphic card? Please reply to chen@cfa.harvard.edu > Thank you very much. > > Hua Chen > Center for Astrophysics > BBS number 510-226-2365 Ron " 8507,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Paul on weekly collections Lines: 15 Mark Gregory Foster writes (concerning 1 Corinthians 16:2): > The idea was introduced to me once that the reason Paul wanted > the Corinthians to lay aside money for the collection on the > first day of the week was that this was when they received their > weekly wages. But the ancient Romans did not observe a seven-day week. Unless a man was working for a Jewish employer, he is unlikely to have been paid on the first day of a seven-day week. Nor would a Jewish employer have kept his wages over the week-end (see Lev 19:13; Dt 24:15). Yours, James Kiefer " 8508,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #012 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 622 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #012 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +---------------------------------------------------------+ | | | I saw a naked girl with her hair down. They were | | dragging her. She kept falling because they were | | pushing her and kicking her. She fell down, it was | | muddy there, and later other witnesses who saw it from | | their balconies told us, they seized her by the hair | | and dragged her a couple of blocks, as far as the | | mortgage bank, that's a good block and a half or two | | from here. I know this for sure because I saw it | | myself. | | | +---------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF TATYANA MIKHAILOVNA ARUTUNIAN (NEZHINTSEVA) Born 1932 Train Conductor Azerbaijani Railroad Resident at Building 13/15, Apartment 27 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] I hadn't lived very long in Sumgait, only eight years. I moved there from Novosibirsk. My son entered the Baku Nautical School, and so I transferred to Azerbaijan. Later I met someone and married him, and now my name is Arutunian, my husband's name . . . That there would be a massacre was not discussed openly, but there were hints and gibes, so to speak, at the Armenian people, and they were mocking the Russians, too. I was constantly aware of it at work, and not just this past year. I couldn't find a definite place for myself in the pool at work because I, I'll just say it, couldn't steal, couldn't deceive, and couldn't be involved in bribe-taking. And when I asked for decent working conditions they told me, ""Leave, don't keep the others from working, you aren't cut out for this kind of work."" And at work and around all the time I would hear gibes at the Armenians, like ""The Turks had it right, they killed them all--the way they've multiplied here they're making it hard for us to live,"" and ""Things will be just fine if we get rid of them all."" ""No problem, the Turks will help,"" they say, ""if we ask them, they'll rid Armenia of Armenians in half an hour."" Well that's the way it all was, but I never thought, of course that it would spill over into a bloody tragedy, because you just couldn't imagine it. Here we've been living under the Soviet government for 70 years, and no one even considered such an idea possible. But I had been forming my own opinions, and in the presence of authoritative people I would often ask, ""Where is this all leading, do people really not see what kind of situation is emerging here. The Russians are fleeing Sumgait, there are very few of them left. Why is no one dealing with this, what's going on?"" And when it all happened on the 27th and 28th, it became clear that everything had been arranged by someone, because what else are you to make of it if the First Secretary of the City Party Committee is marching ahead of the demonstration with an Azerbaijani flag? I wouldn't be saying this now if I hadn't received personal confirmation from him later. Because when we were under guard in the SK club on the 1st, he came to the club, that Muslimzade. The women told me, ""There he is, there he is, that's Muslimzade."" I didn't believe the rumors that he had carried an Azerbaijani flag. I thought that they were just false rumors. I went over to him and said, ""Are you the First Secretary of our City Party Committee?"" He answers me, ""Yes."" And I ask him, ""Tell me, did you really march ahead of that gang carrying an Azerbaijani flag, and behind you they were carrying denigrating signs, I don't know exactly what they said, but there was mention of Armenian blood?"" And he tells me, ""Yes, I was there, but I tried to dissuade them from it."" Then I asked him another question: ""And where were you when they were burning and slaughtering us? And he said, ""I. . . We didn't know what to do, we didn't know, we didn't anticipate that that would happen in Sumgait."" Comrade Mamedov, the First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Azerbaijani SSR, answered the same question for me: ""No, we actually didn't anticipate the slaughter in Sumgait. At that time we were trying to contain the crowd of 45,000 in Baku that was preparing for a massacre."" Those are his exact words, the ones he said in the office of the Council of Ministers of the Armenian SSR. And now, about the events themselves. Of course it's painful to discuss them, because it may seem that it's not true to someone else. Various rumors concerning what happened are making the rounds: some are true, others aren't. But unfortunately there are more true ones than false, because it was so horrible: in our age, here in the space age, the age of science, the age of progress, I don't know, if someone had told me this story, if I were living in or around Moscow, I wouldn't have believed it. Why not? Because it was really a genocide, it was a massacre. That's genuinely what it was. For example, on that day, the 28th--I didn't know about the 27th because my husband and I were both sick, both of us had the flu, and we were in bed--on the 28th our neighbor comes to our place and says, ""You're in bed? You don't know anything about it? There was a demonstration in town, and after it they were overturning Armenian cars and burning them. They were looking into cars and asking, 'Are you an Armenian?' If they answered in Armenian, then they turned the car over and burned it."" This isn't made up, the wife of the Senior Investigator of the Baku Ministry of Internal Affairs told us. He was returning home from his dacha with his wife, Raisa Sevastyanova, she's my neighbor. She immediately came and told LIS that they had landed right in the middle of it, I don't know what to call it, the cavalcade of automobiles they were stopping. He answered in Azerbaijani, they let them go, but they made him honk the horn, they were kicking up a fracas. We didn't even believe it, and I said, ""Certainly that didn't happen, how can that be?"" And she said, ""Muslimzade was leading the crowd, and the Sputnik store was completely smashed because most of the salespeople there are Armenians. And when he saw that they had started breaking the glass in that store, he said, ""Don't break the shop windows, don't destroy state property, but do whatever else you want. "" I didn't hear this with my own two ears, but it is a fact that the store was torn up and the director of the store was beaten for employing Armenians although he's an Azerbaijani. While we were talking, all of a sudden right across from us . . . Sevastyanova is the first to look out the window and say, ""Look, there's a crowd out there."" And sure enough, when we looked out there we saw that the crowd had already started wrecking the neighboring building. There was an Armenian family there, a woman and two girls. They lived across from us. I'm sorry, I don't know the building number or the people's names, since we were in my husband's apartment, in Microdistrict 8, and I lived in Microdistrict No. 3. There was awful looting going on there at the time, the most hideous things were going on there then. One building there, ours, was attacked twice, once wasn't enough for them. They returned to the places where they hadn't finished the Armenians off. If an Azerbaijani family dared to conceal Armenians, they beat the Azerbaijanis too. They also beat Russians, if it was Russians doing the hiding. Because there were Russians among them, they said so on television, there were people of various nationalities. But they didn't tell us why there were people of different nationalities. Because they wouldn't have touched the Azerbaijanis if they hadn't dared to stick up for the Armenians and give them temporary shelter in their homes. At the time I saw this from the window I was there, Sevastyanova was there, and so was my husband. We went out onto the balcony and saw a television fly off a balcony. All kinds of things, even a sofa. Then, when it was all down there, they burned it up. Then we saw the crowd, and they were all oohing. At first I couldn't figure out what was happening. And later I told my husband, ""Lendrush, l think they're beating someone out there."" And he answered, ""I don't know, could be."" Suddenly the crowd separated for a moment, and I saw it, and Raisa Sevastyanova saw it too. My husband had turned the other way, he didn't see it. I saw a naked girl with her hair down. They were dragging her. She kept falling because they were pushing her and kicking her. She fell down, it was muddy there, and later other witnesses who saw it from their balconies told us, they seized her by the hair and dragged her a couple of blocks, as far as the mortgage bank, that's a good block and a half or two from here. I know this for sure because I saw it myself. Then the crowd rushed toward our building. We were standing there, and you can of course imagine what we were feeling. Were they going to kill us or not? And I also had the awful thought that they might torment me the way they tormented that woman, because I had just seen that. I asked my husband. I gave him an axe and said, ""You kill me first, and then let them do what they want with the corpse."" But our neighbors, it's true, defended us, they said, ""There aren't any Armenians in our entryway, go away, only Muslims live here."" Disaster missed us that time. But at two o'clock in the morning a crowd of about 15 people, approximately, came back to our place. My husband was already asleep. He can sleep when he's upset about something, but I can't. I was standing, running from balcony to balcony. Our power was out, I don't remember for how long, but it was as though it had been deliberately turned off. There were no lights whatsoever, and I was glad, of course. I thought it was better that way. But then I look and the crowd is at our balcony. This was at 2:15 in the morning. The first time they were at our building it was 6:30, and now it was 2:15 in the morning. But I never thought that that old woman on the first floor, the Azerbaijani, was awake and watching out, there were human beings among them too. So she goes out with a pail of garbage, as though she needed to be taking garbage out at two o'clock in the morning. She used it as a pretext and went toward those young people. They really were youngsters. From my balcony you could see perfectly that they were young Azerbaijani boys. They spoke Azerbaijani. And when they came up to her she said, ""What do you want?"" And they answered, ""We want the Armenian family that lives here"" [pointing toward the second floor with their hands]. She says, ""I already told you, we don't have any Armenians here, now leave, do you hear, this is an old Muslim woman talking to you,"" and grabbed the hand of one boy who was trying to walk around her and enter the building anyway and started pushing him away. And so they seemed to listen to her. They were all very young, they started apologizing and left. That was the second time death was at our door. I forgot to mention about one other apartment, a man named Rubik lives there, I don't know him really, I knew his daughter, I mean I saw her around, but we really didn't know them. But I do know that that guy who lives on the fourth floor across from our entryway went to Chernobyl and worked there for eight months, to earn money. Can you imagine what that means? He risked his life to earn X amount of money in order to better his family. He bought new furniture and was getting ready to give his daughter's hand in marriage, but, alas, everything was ruined by those creeps and scoundrels. They threw everything out the windows, and the rest we saw from our balcony: how the neighbors on the left and right ran into the apartment and carried off everything that hadn't already been smashed or taken. What is one to think of that? It means that the parents in those families were in on it too. Unfortunately I came to be of the opinion that it was all organized and that everything had been foreseen in advance: both the beating of the Armenians and the stripping of apartments. Something on the order of ""We'll move the Armenians out and take over their apartments."" I have worked honestly my whole life, you can check everything about me. I came as a patriot from China, waited for nights on end in front of the Consulate General of the USSR, I came to my homeland as a patriot because I knew that the Party and the Komsomol were holy things. But when I saw in Sumgait that there wasn't anything holy about them, that Party membership was bought, that Komsomol members joined only for personal gain, that there were no ideals, no ideas, God save me, everything was being bought and sold, I saw all of it and understood how they could allow that crap to go on like it did. I can't talk any more about it . . . the image of that beating . . . When I went out of my own apartment--they picked us up under Soviet Army guard, they had arrived from all over to suppress that gang--not only Armenians, but some Russian families and their children, too, came out of their apartments and joined us, because no normal person who had seen that could stay there with the situation the way it was. And what's interesting is that when we left on the buses I rode and thought that at least one group of people, for sure people would basically rise to the situation, would have some compassion for the Armenians, would somehow understand the injustice of what was done. But having analyzed and weighed the whole thing, once I calmed down, having thought it all through, I came to a conclusion that is shared by many people. If a lot of Azerbaijanis didn't want their Armenian neighbors to be killed, and that basically depended on that Muslimzade--he said that he had wanted to calm them down--then is it possible that he didn't have people at hand to whom he could whisper at the last minute, ""Go and announce it on television: Citizens of Sumgait! Take what you can into your hands, let's protect our neighbors from this massacre?"" Those crowds weren't such that there was no controlling them. Basically they were unarmed. They didn't have firearms, mostly they had knives, they had all kinds of metal parts, like armature shafts, sharpened at the ends, special rocks, different to a degree that we noticed them: there aren't rocks like those in Sumgait soils, they were brought from somewhere, as though it were all specially planned. So as I was saying, I weighed it all out and if any of our neighbors had wanted to defend us, why wasn't it arranged? It means that the government didn't want to do it. When the crowd was moving from the City Party Committee to the Sputnik, what, there was no way of informing Baku? No, there was no way, it turns out! The crowd was doing violence in our microdistrict. I won't mention the things I didn't see myself, I'll only talk about the things I myself witnessed. They were in Microdistrict 8 beginning at 6 o'clock in the evening, when I saw them from the other building, and they were somewhere else until mid-night or one o'clock in the morning, because at 2:15 they came back to our building. They hadn't completely finished making their predatory rounds of Microdistrict 8. When they returned to our building I told my husband, ""Lendrush, now the police are probably going to come, my God, now the authorities are probably going to find out and come to our aid."" Well, alas, no, there were to be no authorities, not a single policeman, not a single fireman, not a single ambulance came while they were raging, as it turns out, as we later found out, beginning on the Might of the 27th. There were dead people, ruined apartments, and burned autos: one car near the bus station, it was burned and overturned, it was probably there about four days, everyone saw it and what went on in Block 45! Those who live there know, they saw from their balconies how they attacked the soldiers in the buses, how they beat those poor, unarmed soldiers, and how on that square, I can't remember the name of it, where there is that fork coming from the bus station, that intersection, now I'm upset and I can't think of the name . . . there's a tall building there, a 9-story, and from the balconies there people saw that butchery, when the poor soldiers, wearing only helmets, with shields and those unfortunate clubs, moved against that mob. And when they fell, those 12-to 14-year-old boys ran up and using stones, big heavy stones, beat them to death on their heads. Who could have guessed that something like that could happen in the Soviet Union and under the Soviet government? The upshot is that this republic has not been under Soviet control for a long time, but no one wanted to pay any attention or get involved. If you were to go and ask at my work many people would confirm that I tell the truth, I've been struggling for truth for five years there already, the five years that I worked at the Azerbaijani railroad. Some people there considered me a demagogue, others who knows what; some think I'm an adventure seeker, and some, a prankster. But I wanted everything to be right, I would become outraged: how can this be, why is it people treat one another this way on a Soviet railroad, as though the Azerbaijani railroad were Azerbaijani property, or the property of some magnate, or some ""mafia"": If I want to, I'll get you out of here; If I want to, I'll get rid of you; If I want to, I'll do something else? And there's a black market price for everything, in the most brazen way: a coach to Moscow costs so much, a coach on a local train costs so much. Once when I was complaining to the head of the conductor's pool, he had the nerve to tell me, maybe you won't even believe this, but this, I'm afraid, I heard with my own ears: ""Tatyana, just how long can you fight for something that you know will never have any effect? You're alone against everyone, so instead why don't you give more money to the chief conductor, and everything will go fine for you."" I started to cry, turned, and left. What else could I do, where else could I go to complain? I realized that everything was useless. And the root of the whole thing is that it all goes on and no one wants to see it. I filed a written complaint, and they ground it into dust, they destroyed it, I still have a copy, but what's the use? When the General Procuracy got involved with the investigation of the bloody Sumgait affair, in addition to the information about what I saw, what I was a witness to, I gave testimony about the mafia at the railroad. They accepted my petition, but I don't know if they're going to pursue it or not. Because, you'll excuse me, I no longer believe in the things I aspired to, the things I believed in before: It's all dead. They just spit on my soul, stomped on everything, physically, and most important, spiritually, because you can lose belongings, that's nonsense, that all comes with time, but when your soul is spit upon and when the best in you--your beliefs--are destroyed, it can be very difficult to restore them... I want to tell of one incident. I just don't know, at the time I was in such a state that I didn't even take minor things into account. Here is an example. Of course, it's not a minor one. My neighbor, Raisa Sevastyanova, she has a son, Valery, who is in the 9th grade in a school in Microdistrict 8. A boy, Vitaly [Danielian], I don't know his last name, goes to school with him, or rather, went to school with him. I was just sitting in an apartment trying to make a phone call to Moscow . . . Oh yes, and there's one important detail: When the massacre began, for two to three hours the phones weren't working in Armenian apartments, and later, in several Russian and Azerbaijani apartments. But the fact of the matter is that service was shut off, you could not call anywhere. Why? Again, it means it was all planned. How come service is cut off for no reason? And the lights went off. And those brats were raging as they liked They weren't afraid, they ran about freely, they that no one would slap their hands and no one would dare to stop them. They knew it. Now I'm going to tell about the incident. So this little Vitaly, Vitalik, an Armenian boy, went to school with Valery; they were in the same class. According to what Valery and his neighbor pal said--at the time I was in the same apartment as they were, I sat at the phone waiting for the call to be put through--a mob attacked the building where Vitalik lived. So Valery ran to his mother and said, ""Mamma, please let me go to Vitalik's, what if they kill him? Maybe he's still alive, maybe we can bring him here and save him somehow. . . . He's a nice guy, we all like him, he's a good person, he's smart."" His mother wouldn't let him go. In tears, she says, ""Valery, you can't go because I am afraid."" He says, ""Mamma, we can get around the crowd. We'll just watch, just have a look."" They made it through. I don't know, I think Vitalik's parents lived in Microdistrict No. 1, and when they got there, they made a superficial deduction. Knowing that balconies and doors were being broken everywhere, that you could see from the street which were the Armenian apartments in the building, they went here and there and looked, and saw that the windows were intact, and so they calmed down. But even though the windows in that apartment were not broken, everything inside was totally smashed, and Vitalik lay there with a broken skull, and his mother and father had already been murdered. Little Vitalik didn't even know they were dead. So two weeks ago, I don't know, he was in critical condition, no, maybe it was longer: we left Sumgait on March 20, spent some time in Moscow, and then we came to Yerevan. So it's been about a month already; it's so hard to keep all this straight. So Valery, the next day, when he found out that Vitalik's family has been killed and Vitalik was ling in the Semashko Hospital in Baku, Valery and his classmates got together and went to visit him. But they wouldn't admit them, telling them that he was in critical condition and that he was still in a coma. They cried and left, having also found out that the girl I saw being kicked and dragged was in that hospital too. As it turns out she was brought there in serious condition, but at least she was alive at the time . . . When we got to the SK club we would see first one friend and then another, throw ourselves into their arms and kiss them, because you had wondered if these friends were alive or not, if those friends were alive or not . . . And when you saw them you were so glad to find out that the family had lived! When you saw people you heard things that made your hair stand on end. If you publish everything that happened it will be a hideous book. A book of things it is even difficult to believe. And those two girls who were raped were entirely black and blue, the ones at the SK, they know I'm not lying, that girlfriend came up to one of them and said, ""What happened?"" and she bared her breasts, and they were completely covered in cigarette burns . . . those rogues had put cigarettes out on her breasts. After something like that I don't know how you can live in a city and look at the people in it. Now . . . When we stayed at the military unit for a while, they provided, well, basic conditions for us there. The military unit is located in Nasosny, some six miles from Sumgait. And living there we met with a larger group of people. There were about 1,600 people at the unit. You know, there was a point when I couldn't even go outside because if you went outside you saw so much heartbreak around you. And when you hear the false rumors . . . Yes, by the way, false rumors were spread in Sumgait saying that the Armenians around Yerevan had destroyed Azerbaijani villages and razed them to the ground with bulldozers. I didn't know whether to believe it or not. And people who don't know any better get the idea that it was all done in revenge. But when I arrived in Armenia and was in Spitak, and in Spitak all those villages are not only intact, but at that time had even been protected just in case, they were guarded, they got better food than did the inhabitants of Spitak. Not a single person there died, and no one is planning to harm them. Around Yerevan all the villages are safe and unharmed, and the Armenians didn't attack anyone. But actually, after an evil of the magnitude suffered in Sumgait there could have been a feeling of vengefulness, but no one acted on it. And I don't know why you sometimes hear accusations to the effect that the Armenians are guilty, that it is they who organized it. Rumors like that are being spread in Azerbaijan. And if one old person says it and ten young ones hear it, they not only perceive it with their minds, but with their hearts, too. To them it seems that the older person is telling the truth. For example, one says; ""Did you know that out of 31 people killed (by the way, originally they said 31 people, but later they found a 32nd), 30 were Azerbaijani and one was an Armenian?"" Of course I'm upset, but it's utterly impossible to discuss such things and not become upset. Sometimes l forget things, but I know I want to return to the time when we were in the SK club across from the City Party Committee. When I saw Muslimzade in the SK club building I went to him to ask because I couldn't believe that he had marched in the front carrying a banner. I already mentioned this, and if I repeat anything, please excuse me. I asked him, ""Why did you do that and why are you here now, why did you come here? To laugh at these women who are strewn about on the floor?"" The overcrowding there was tremendous, it was completely unsanitary, and several of the children were already sick. It's true the troops tried to make it livable for us. They cooked for us on their field stoves and provided us with wonderful food, but the thing is that their main job was to ferret out the gang that was still at it everywhere, that was continuing its sordid affairs everywhere. Plus they were never given any direct orders, they didn't know what they were authorized to do and not to do. And it was only on March 8 at five o'clock in the evening that Krayev himself, the Lieutenant General, the City Commandant of Sumgait, was given full authority and told everyone over a microphone from an armored personnel carrier that now he could do what he wanted to do, as his heart advised him, and relocate people to the military unit. But that's not what I want to talk about now. Muslimzade, characteristically, tried to get me out of the SK building and take me to the City Party Committee, which is across the square from the club. He took me by the hand and said, ""Citizen, don't worry, we'll go and have a talk in my office. I told him, ""No, after everything you've done, I don't believe one iota of what you say. If I go to the City Party Committee I'll disappear, and the traces of me will disappear too. Because you can't stand it when . . . "" Oh yes, and there was another interesting detail from that meeting. It was even very funny, although at the time I wasn't up to laughing. He was in a nice, expensive hat, and so as to put him to shame, so to speak, I said, ""Oh, why did you come here all duded up like a London dandy, you smell of good perfume, you're in your starched shirt, and you have your expensive hat on. You came to ridicule the poor women and children who are lying on the floor, who are already getting sick, whose relatives have died. Did you come to laugh at them?"" And the one who was accompanying him, an Azerbaijani, I don't know who he was or what his title was, he quickly snatched the hat off Muslimzade's head and hid it. Then I said, ""My God! We're not marauders. We're not you! We didn't come to you with the intention of stealing!"" ""Well kill me, kill me!"" Muslimzade says to me, ""But I'm not guilty . . . kill me, kill me, but I'm not guilty."" And I say, ""OK, fine, you're not guilty, have it your way. But give us an answer, we're asking you: Where were you when they were torturing and raping those poor women, when they were killing the children, burning things, carrying on outrageously, and wrecking all those apartments? Where were you then?"" ""You know, we didn't expect it, we did not know what to do, we didn't anticipate that something like that would happen in Sumgait."" I started laughing and said, ""It's truly funny."" He says, ""What could I do? We didn't know what to do."" And I say, ""I'm sorry, but it'll be ridiculous if I tell you: The First Secretary of the City Party Committee shouldn't march out in front with a banner; he should fall down so that the gang would have to cross over his dead body. That's what you should have done. That's the way it was during the war. Not a single party committee secretary compromised himself; either he died or he led people into battle. And what did you do? You ran away, you left, you hid, you marched with a flag, because you were afraid, excuse my language, you feared for your own damned hide. And when we ask you, you tell us that you got confused and you ask me what you could have done? That's right,"" I told him, ""the City party committee got confused, all the party committees got confused, the police got confused,. Baku got confused, they all lay in a faint for two weeks, and the gang ran the show with impunity. And if it weren't for the troops it wouldn't have been just two days, there wouldn't be a single Armenian left in Sumgait for sure, they would have finished their bloody affair, because they brazenly went up to some Russians, too, the ones who tried to say something to them, and they told them, 'As soon as we finish with the Armenians we'll come after you, too."" And by the way, there was a colonel, who took us to the military unit. He was the one with the light blue collar tabs who flew in and two hours later arrived on an armored personnel carrier when we were at the SK and took us to the military unit and who later started moving us from the military unit. We asked him, ""What? How? What will come of us?"" He openly said, ""You know, for us the main thing now is to catch that gang. We'll finish that quickly. You'll stay at the military unit for the time being, and we'll decide later."" The General Procuracy of the USSR arrived, it consists of investigators from all cities. There were some from Stavropol, from everywhere, just everywhere, because the affair was truly frightful. About this, by the way, Comrade Katusev spoke; as everyone knows, he's the First Deputy General Procurator of the USSR. When he gave us a speech from the armored personnel carrier at the military unit, by the way, he told us the honest truth, because he couldn't not say it, because he was still experiencing his first impressions of what he had seen, and he said, ""There was Afghanistan; and it was bad, but Sumgait--it's horrible! And the people who dared to do such a thing will be severely punished, in accordance with our laws."" And that's a quote. Then one mother throws herself at him--her two sons had died before her very eyes--and says, ""Who will return my sons? Who is going to punish the [culprits]?"" They tried to calm her down, and he said, ""In order for us to conduct a proper investigation, in order that not a single scoundrel avoid responsibility, you must help us, because we don't know, maybe there was someone else in the gang who is now being concealed in homes, and maybe the neighbors know, maybe someone saw something. Don't be afraid, write about it in detail. So that you're not afraid . . . Everyone knows that many of you are afraid, having lived through such horrors, they think that if they write the whole truth about, let's say, their neighbor or someone else, that they will seek revenge later. We're going to do it like this: We're going to set up an urn and you can throw what you write in there. We don't need to know who wrote it. The names of the people who write won't be made public, but we need all the information. Let each and every one not be afraid, let each write what is necessary, who they saw in that gang, who made threats or shouted threatening gibes about the Armenians . . . You must describe all of these people and put the information into the urn."" Two soldiers and a major guarded the urn. And, sure enough, many people, people who didn't even want to write . . .I know one woman who asked me, she came up and said, ""You, as a Russian, the same thing won't happen to you as will happen to me. So please . . . I'll give you the information, and you please write it down for me."" So she was afraid, and there were a lot like her . . . But later, after Katusev made his speech, she sat and wrote down everything she knew. And we threw it all into the urn. Now we don't know if it will be of any use. For a factual picture will emerge from all that information. One person can lie, but thousands can't lie, thousands simply can't lie. You have to agree with that, a fact is a fact. Why, for example, should someone say that black is white if it is really black? The First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Azerbaijani SSR, Mamedov, as I said, was in Yerevan. My husband and I were at the Council of Ministers of the Armenian SSR and found out that Mamedov was present, the one who had come to convince the people of Sumgait to return to their previous dwellings, to their old apartments. We asked for a meeting with him, and it was granted. When we went to see him he tried to behave properly, very politely, delicately, but . . . when the truth was told right to his face and when I asked him some of the same questions I had asked Muslimzade, ""Where were you personally when they were beating us? Now you're trying to convince us to return, why didn't you think at the time that they were slaughtering us where it was all leading?"" he says, ""You're telling the truth. Let's not mince words. You've told me right to my face, and I'll tell you straight. I'll tell you the pure truth. I was gotten out of bed in the evening, the whole government was up, including me, and we were restraining a crowd of about 45,000 in Baku. But we never expected that in a city like Sumgait, with its fine international record, such a thing could happen. We expected it in Baku."" I say, ""So that means you expected it all the same? Why were you expecting it?"" And he says, ""You know, it just happened that way. We were expecting it in Baku, we were trying to restrain it, but in Sumgait . . . "" I say, ""Fine, you didn't know for the first three or four hours, but then you should have known. Why did no one help us?"" And he says, ""Well, OK, we didn't know what to do"" and things like that. Basically it was the same story I got from Muslimzade. Later, when he said, ""You go on back, the situation in Sumgait is favorable now, everything is fine, the Armenians are friendly with the Azerbaijanis . . . "" To this l answered, ""You know what . . . I'm speaking with you as a [member of a] neutral nation . . . I have never argued with Armenians or with Azerbaijanis and I was an eyewitness . . . You tell me, please, Comrade Mamedov, "" I asked him, ""What would you say about this honestly, if you were being completely frank with us?"" Then he said, ""Yes, I admit that I am honestly ashamed, shame on the entire Azerbaijani nation, we have disgraced ourselves not only before the entire Soviet Union, but before the whole world. Because now the Voice of America and all the other foreign radio stations of various hues are branding us with all kinds of rumors, too."" And I say, ""There's nothing to add to what really happened. I don't think it's possible to add anything more awful."" He says, ""Yes, I agree with you, I understand your pain, it is truly an unfortunate occurrence."" I repeat that he said ""unfortunate occurrence."" And then he suddenly remembered himself, what he was saying--he had a pen in his hands, he was fidgeting with it nervously-- and said, ""Oh, excuse me, a tragedy, really . . . "" I take this to mean that he really thinks it's an ""unfortunate occurrence."" ""And of course,"" he says, ""I understand that having gone through all this you can't return to Sumgait, but it's necessary to cool down and realize that all those people are being tried."" And he even gave a detail, which, I don't know if it matters or not, that 160 policemen were being tried. Specifically in relation to that bloody affair. Yes, by the way, there is another good detail, how I was set up at work in Baku after the events. I went to an undergarment plant, there was an Azerbaijani working there, and suddenly she tells me, ""What, they didn't nail your husband? They screwed up."" I was floored, I hadn't imagined that anyone in Baku, too, could say something like that. Well after that I went up to see . . . to my office, I needed to find out about those days, what was going to happen with them, how they were going to put down those days from February 29 to March 10 . . . and the administrator told me, ""I don't know, Tatyana, go to the head of the conductors' pool. Be grateful if they don't put it down as unexcused absence."" I was really discouraged by this. They all know that we were but a hair away from death and barely survived, and here they're telling me that I was skipping work, as though I was off enjoying myself somewhere. I went to the office of the chief of the pool, his last name is Rasulov, and he's had that position for many years. Incidentally, he's a Party member, and is a big man in town. And suddenly, when I went to him and said, ""Comrade Rasulov, this is the way it was . . . "" He looked at me askance and said, ""And why are you""--he knows me by my previous last name--""why did you get wrapped up in this mess?"" I say, ""What do you mean, why did I get wrapped up in this mess? My husband's an Armenian,"" I tell him, ""I have an Armenian last name."" And he screwed up his face, made a kind of a grimace, as though he had eaten something sour, and said, ""I didn't expect that you would . . . "" What did he mean by that? And ""how"" should he behave, the chief of the pool, a man who supervises 1,700 workers? Now, it's true, there was a reduction, but for sure there are still 1,200 conductors working for him. And if someone who supervises a staff that size says things like that, then what can you expect from a simple, uneducated, politically unsophisticated person?! He's going to believe any and all rumors, that the Armenians are like this, the Armenians are like that, and so on . . . By the way, that Mamedov--now I'm going back to Mamedov's office when I asked him ""Are you really going to guarantee the safety of our lives if we return to Sumgait?"" he answered, ""Yes, you know, I would guarantee them . . . I don't want to take on too much, I would guarantee them firmly for 50 years. But I won't guarantee them for longer than 50 years."" I say, ""So you've got another thing like that planned for 50 years from now? So they'll be quiet and then in another 50 years it'll happen again?!"" I couldn't contain myself any more, and I also told him, ""And how did it get to that point, certainly you knew about it, how they were treating the Russians, for example, in Baku and in Sumgait, how they were hounded from their jobs? Certainly you received complaints, I wrote some myself. Why did no one respond to them? Why did everyone ignore what was going on? Didn't you prepare people for this by the way you treated them?"" And he says, ""You know, you're finally starting to insult me!"" He threw his pen on the desk. ""Maybe now you'll say I'm a scoundrel too?"" I say, ""You know, I'm not talking about you because I don't know. But about the ones who I do know I can say with conviction, yes, that comrade was involved in this, that, and that, because I know for certain. ""Well anyway he assured us that here, in Yerevan, there were false rumors, that 3,000 Sumgait Armenians were here, and 15,000 were in Sumgait and had gotten back to work. Everyone was working, he said, and life was very good. ""We drove about the town ourselves, Comrade Arutiunian [First Secretary of the Communist Party of Armenia SSR] came from the Council of Ministers of Armenian, he came and brought information showing that everything was fine in Sumgait."" When I asked Mamedov how he had reached that conclusion he said, ' ""Well, I walked down the street."" And I said, ""Walking down the street in any city, even if I were to go to New York, I would never understand the situation because I would be a guest, I don't have any contact with people, but if you spend 10 days among some blue-collar workers in such a way that they didn't know you were the First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers, you'd hear something quite different."" I told him, for example, that I drew my conclusion when we left the military unit to look at our apartments. They took us all in turns to pick things up, since people had fled to the military unit; they got on the bus just to save themselves as soon as possible. How are the neighbors in the microdistrict, how will they view us, what do they think? I thought maybe that in fact it wasn't something general, of a mass nature, some anti-national something. And when that bus took us to our building, because it was the same bus, while we were going up to our apartment, an armed soldier accompanied us. What does that say? It speaks of the fact that if everything there were fine, why do we need to have soldiers go there and come back with us, going from apartment to apartment? And in fact, especially with the young people, you could sense the delight at our misfortune, the grins, and they were making comments, too. And that was in the presence of troops, when police detachments were in the microdistricts and armored personnel carriers and tanks were passing by. And if people are taking such malicious delight when the situation is like that, then what is it going to be like when they withdraw protection from the city altogether? There will be more outrages, of course, perhaps not organized, but in the alleys . . . April 20, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 166-177 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 8509,15,"From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com Organization: BBN, Interzone Office Lines: 49 OFM responds to a query about reference works: [Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT introduction... Two other Intros to consider: The ""Introduction"" by Ku:mmel is a translation of a strandard NT text. The references are slightly dated and the style is somewhat dense, but the book contains a wealth of information. Perrin and Duling's Intro is also very good. It's somewhat more modern than Ku:mmel's but not quite so densely packed. Also the authors tend to go through the books of the NT in the historical order of composition; this gives a very useful perspective on the development of the NT. ... There are also some good one-volume commentaries. ... Probably the best recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary. A slight dissent: I think the Harper's is ""OK"" but not great. One particular problem I have is that it tends to be pretty skimpy on bibliographic material. My feeling is that it is OK for quick look-ups, but not real useful for study in depth (e.g. I keep a copy in my office at work). ... (I think there may be a couple of books with this title... So far as I know there is the only one book with this exact title (James L Mays, general editor, Harper and ROw, 1988) although I think I recall a (older) series under the name ""Harper Commentaries"". Also there's a separate Harper's Bible Dictionary (most of my comments on the HC also apply to the HBD.) My favorite one-volume commentary is the ""New Jerome Biblical Commentary"". The NJBC is rather Catholic in focus and somewhat biased towards the NT. (The reader can decide for her- or himself whether these are pluses or minuses.) In any case the scholarship is by and large excellent. NOTE: The NJBC is a completely reworked, updated version of the ""Jerome Biblical Commentary"", copies of which can still be found on sale. Nichael " 8510,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.163923.25120@microsoft.com>, tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) writes: |> OK, just for grins: |> - Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene |> ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail. |> - Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in |> his bath. Well, certainly in Archimedes case the description ""while observing the phenomena in his bath"" seems more accurate than ""while meditating in his bath"" -- it was, after all, a rather buoyancy intense environment. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 8511,3,"Subject: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) Distribution: usa Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Keywords: 486, motherboard Lines: 13 I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)? Any information would be helpful! thanks -- _______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ | Brian J Schaufenbuel [ ""There is no art which one government sooner learns ] | Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] | Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]."" - Adam Smith ] " 8512,6,"From: xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) Subject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen? Organization: Rice University Lines: 31 > I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend. > I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo. > If by any chance anyone has had the body of a Sony XR-U770 > stolen and has an otherwise useless front panel I would > love to buy it from you. > If you know anyone who had a removeable-front-panel car stereo > stolen from them, could you please forward this message to them? > Thanks! > Kris I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.) If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio originally costs, or even sold at all, then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great. I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply. -- --------8<-------If you cut here, you'd ruin your monitor------8<------- Kenneth D. Ray Expert: Someone who knows more and more CRC OCIS about less and less and finally Rice University knows everything about nothing. " 8513,12,"From: oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu () Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Nntp-Posting-Host: chaos.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 23 In <1993Apr06.173031.9793@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes: >So, the questions are - > What do the radar detector detectors actually detect? > Would additional shielding/grounding/bypassing shield stray RF generated by > a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector > antenna? > Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? Ok, so your a HAM. Well, tune in 10.7Mhz or 455Khz. These numbers sound like some you have herd before? Thats right, you guessed it, they are common IF numbers. Every Super-Het receiver has a local oscillator(s) which generates an IF. This is what your detector detector is detecting (the local oscillator). Some of these have two or more local oscillator which generate more ways to receiver you. If you want to receiver something at say 10.525Ghz you must generate a local oscillator signal of 10.525Ghz - 10.7Mhz = your local osc frequency. This 10.7Mhz IF is then fed into a normal AGC ckt. The detector is keyed uppon the AGC voltage (your mileage may vary). Since the AGC is a negative feed back device, a positive voltage sets off a ... I think you get the picture. " 8514,4,"From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) Subject: Cache card for IIsi Nntp-Posting-Host: gram3 Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 20 I'm looking for a Cache card for my IIsi. I can spend $250 Max for it, what i need is 64 kb cache with a fpu socket and a dual slot adapter. Or at least a passe_through connector so i can keep my graphic card. I need your advice about the best card i can buy. How much performance increase i should expect, does the performance increase between the 32 and 64 kb Cache worths the price difference ?. And what's the best price i can get for such a card (i really need to spare each possible $). I have an Ethernet card for the LC with fpu. I don't think it would work for the IIsi but the fpu is socketed. Do you think i can take the fpu out of the card and put it in the empty fpu socket ?. Would it work at 20 Mhz ?. If not, how much should i pay for an extra fpu ?. -- Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) |Lab de Genie Informatique (LGI). Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten |IMAG, INPG. Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i) |46, Av. Felix Viallet, Grenoble. " 8515,8,"From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year Organization: AT&T Summary: Ergonomics of gas tanks Keywords: congratz Lines: 30 In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes: > In article <1993Mar29.225236.9061@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: > >[...] I had planned to get an HD this year...but instead I > >took delivery on a brand new male offspring(er) last Monday... > > Sounds like you should have been doing your planning LAST year, given > Harley-Davidson's product delivery lag and the human gestation cycle. Or perhaps any planning at all. :-) Hiya Pete, still got that CBX? Nice to hear from you again! > >And, yes, I finally did figure out why this happens, and I have > >taken steps to ensure [a storkish repetition]... > > That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the > ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences? Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the CBR900RR and the GTS1000A. Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com car377@cbnewsj.att.com " 8516,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 32 In article <1qrohrINNipe@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil liam December Starr) writes: > >In article <1993Apr18.003848.21571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, >rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said: > >>>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to >>>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. [Ryan C Scharfy] >>> >>> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican >>> idea that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and >>> simply decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please >>> explain why the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be ""bought like >>> cigarettes"" is ""just plain silly."" After all, it works just fine for >>> nicotine... [wdstarr] >> >> Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it. > >Ryan, please explain how the ""coolness"" or lack thereof of cancer is >relevant to a discussion of the legalization of currently illegal >recreational drugs. For that matter, please explain how it's even >relevant to a discussion of currently _legal_ recreational drugs such as >tobacco. [wdstarr] You said it worked so well with tobacco. I was being fascisious(I can't spell worth a damn) Look, this is getting ridiculous, first, I think tobacco should be legal. Anybody who can't see the difference between tobacco and marijuana has got to be high. Ryan " 8517,14,"From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) Subject: Re: So I'm an idiot, what else is new? Originator: drickel@bounce Nntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com Organization: Mentor Graphics Keywords: Lines: 17 In article <9303311213.AA49462@jsc.nasa.gov>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu (R. E. McElwaine) writes: |> RUSSIA'S OPERATIVE |> |> In March 1993, Russian President Boris Yeltsin |> proposed to the United States and the United Nations a global |> defense shield (with ""Star Wars""-type weapons) AGAINST ... Funny. A bit disturbing. Forging a posting seems somewhat unethical, even if the subject is as notorious as McElwaine. Followups should definitely not go to sci.space. david rickel drickel@sjc.mentorg.com " 8518,12,"From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu > > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. >HAP controls just outside Chicago sells these. > Andrew MacRae Actually, it's HAPP, and some of their equipment can be found in the Parts Express catalog (1-800-338-0531). They show switches for $2, joysticks for $13 and trackballs for $80. They also have pinball parts. Good luck. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Frank Filipanits Jr. B.S. EE/Music, California Institute of Technology '92 Audio Consultant M.S. Music Engineering, University of Miami '94 franko@alumni.caltech.edu ""No, officer, I don't know how fast I was going."" " 8519,2,"From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Lines: 65 In <0096B130.473B17C0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu writes: > ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can But a disk compare utility (old versus new) will. And Windows 3.1 is also flexible enough at install time that you can copy all the files onto your hard disk, which greatly speeds things up and makes them less annoying, if you can spare the 7 or so compressed megs. >write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I >think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not >going to promote that here. No, we're not. But we're also not going to promote pandering to corporate paranoia when the real issue is convenience. I don't *like* dealing with floppies. Personally, I have no use for changing the registration info, but I see it as a valid need, and one that ought to be solved using a quick little utility rather than a half-hour reinstall that's just about guaranteed to mess up your settings in one way or another. So, while I'm not going to put much time into it myself, here's the procedure for getting on your way to finding the encoded information: 1. Copy all your Windows disks into the directory from which you want to install it. I've been using c:\WINSTALL myself. 2. From there, copy that directory to something like c:\WINORIG. 3. Install from c:\winstall. 4. comp the two directories to determine changes. i.e., comp *.* \winorig\*.* >\report.txt 5. Look in the report file for the file(s) that change. Assuming they didn't cover themselves covering their own tracks, at least one file should have a difference noted at a particular offset. Locate said offset in the original directory and see what's there using a hex editor, and do the same for the modified one. 6. You're on your own as far as breaking the code goes; I don't really do cryptography. It's probably just an xor key or something; I think MS is more concerned with Joe Schmoe at the office personalizing his copy than with ""real pirates"" who will probably just disassemble the damned thing anyway. This technique should work with just about any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original floppies when you install; in some extreme cases you may not be able to back the floppies up to hard disk, and will be stuck doing a compare on floppies (Lotus stuff is probably like that). As I noted before, if you can afford the space on the hard disk, and don't do much in the way of customization, reinstalling from one directory to another may be less arduous. Doing some of the stuff I've mentioned here may well void your license with Microsoft, as if they'd ever find out. If you aren't careful with the disk editor, you could also mung something important... duh. I guess that's a disclaimer. Have at it.... Rob -- Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... " 8520,17,"From: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev Originator: ahmeda@ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr26.021105.25642@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: |> This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say |> for sure that no Beduins were ""moved"" or harmed in any way. On the |> contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them |> now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are |> quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are |> good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population. |> |> All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's |> poster, I have to say. |> |> -Danny Keren. |> It is nonsense, Danny, if you can refute it with proof. If you are citing your experience then you should have been there in the 1940's (the article is comparing the condition then with that now). Otherwise, it is you who is trying to change the facts. -Ahmed. " 8521,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: sudden numbness in arm Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 48 In article molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes: >I experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning. Just after >I completed my 4th set of deep squats. Today was my weight training >day and I was just beginning my routine. All of a sudden at the end of >the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep. It was cold, turned pale, >and lost 60% of its strength. The weight I used for squats wasn't that >heavy, I was working hard but not at 100% effort. I waited for a few >minutes, trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with >chest exercises (flyes) with lighter dumbells than I normally use. But >I dropped the left dumbell during the first set, and experienced continued >arm weakness into the second. So I quit training and decided not to do my >usual hour on the ski machine either. I'll take it easy for the rest of >the day. > >My arm is *still* somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal -- >my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb. Color has returned to normal >and it is no longer cold. > >Horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through >my brain. I'm 34, vegetarian, and pretty fit from my daily exercise >regimen. So that can't be it. Could a pinched nerve from the bar >cause these symptoms (I hope)? It likely has nothing to do with ""chunks of plaque"" but it sounds like you may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical attention *before* doing any more weight lifting. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8522,12,"From: jimmy@fireflare (Jimmy Mosquera) Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report Keywords: 3rd grade science report Nntp-Posting-Host: fireflare Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA) Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >Almost any two dissimilar metals in almost any electrically conductive >liquid. > >Example: Copper and zinc in Coca-Cola... > >copper and galvanized steel nails in a lemon... > >Don't expect much power out, but it should be easily detectable >with a voltmeter. > >-- >:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** >:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* >:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * >:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< A copper and a zinc rod in a potato also work nice. " 8523,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 144 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > > You might have missed the U.S. News & World Report excerpt > > I posted. It is fairly consistant with other such polls, finding > > that approximately 40-50% of households have at least one firearm. > OK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still > claim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even > threaten anyone with them. 500,000 to 1,000,000 self-defense incidents a YEAR doesn't count with you? > What do they do right ... or are > they just lucky ? Maybe they're just UNLUCKY. If a rapist pulls a woman into an alley in Boston, chances are almost certain that she won't be counted as one of those self-defenders because our local constabulary didn't consider it important that she be allowed to arm herself. Even though the shotgun she owns at home makes her show up in the ""gun owner"" column. > In either case, this means the 'average > threat level' in this country is rather low. Ironic words for somebody who lives in Florida. The ""average threat level"" in Florida has been REDUCED by a liberal CCW policy. It's well known that your local thugs like to target tourists precisely because they are less likely to be carrying than your natives. Come on up to Boston, or NYC, or Washington DC, and see how much diddlysquat the ""average threat level in the country"" means to a resident there. > I think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these > alternative means of self-protection involved any hardware. > Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every > person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude > and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents > make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when > strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups > like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative > effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the > good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He > was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". Sometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I've misplaced the original text, but the story started with one resident calling the cops on a gang member. Sure enough, a few nights later, there was a drive-by performed at the resident's house. Except that this time, unlike in LA, the entire street came out and returned fire, putting an end to the car's occupants. The gang packed up and left. Of course, in LA, or in a place like Florida after the hurricane, your first problem is to FIND an officer to step up to and tell anything. > In short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at > least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative. > Replace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better > conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a > block party. Look, nobody is arguing this. I have a fire extinguisher at home. That doesn't mean I can be careless about tossing my burnt matches on the carpet. I live carefully, monitor the woodstove, get my flue cleaned twice a year, and test my smoke alarms annually. But if -- DESPITE all this -- a fire does start, it's too late for any of these things EXCEPT the extinguisher. > > But legality and legitimacy also matter. If a government's charter > > makes a rule, which the government then violates, it is violated the > > basis for its existance. Enforcement of its will becomes a matter > > solely of force of arms. > > Oliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many > all-American 'conservative' quarters. He and Big Ron > set-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely > illegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing > twenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all > the time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really > cares anymore. 'Legitimacy' is a non-issue. Legality is > a non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who > gives a rats ass ? You seem to be agreeing with your opponent. You can't trust your government to protect you from abusers and violators -- white-collar, blue-collar, epauletted, or tank-shirted. Ultimately, no one has the power to enforce your ""rights"" but you. Unless you've given up that power. > No. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical > aspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue. Too many people fit that category, that is true. Some of us like to believe that they are uninterested in the facts behind the case for gun ownership because they've been conditioned to believe that there AREN'T any. You seem content to underestimate the electorate; I'm willing to try to raise their consciousness. > Argue away ... you can't win. I think we can. HCI was founded in what, 1980? In the mid-80's, they ran a ""One Million Strong!"" campaign for two years before reaching this goal. My understanding is that they ""reached"" it by the stratagem of including wide classes of people other than dues-paying members. (I can't speak authoritatively on this -- maybe somebody else has details.) Then they started running a ""Two Million Strong!"" campaign for a while -- but they let it slip into unannounced obscurity when it became clear that they simply were never going to reach that level of membership. In 1964, just after the commencement of the Dodd Hearings -- the starting point of the modern gun-control movement, the NRA had a mere 625,000 members. By 1968, barely after the first murmurs of future registration, it had about a million. Today, it has over three million members, making it the third largest membership organization in the country (next to AARP and AAA). And its membership is GROWING FASTER than at any previous time. (Historical figures from Kukla's ""Gun Control,"" pp. 61 and 420.) As you say, many of the people in the middle of this debate are bemused by their T-bones and MTV. That leaves hard-core gun-owners against hard-core gun banners. I know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members. I've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way. Yes, I think we can and will win this one. > Firearms-related mindless mayhem will be related to the > availibility of firearms. If they become scarce and > and expensive, a different psychology will take hold. > I *think* they would be used far less to settle trivial > complaints. I think they would be used far less to hammer nails, as well, but, like you, I can't give any citation showing that this utilization is CURRENTLY significant at more than an anecdotal level. If you can, I'm waiting. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 8524,5,"From: jlong@brtph368.BNR.CA (John Long P205) Subject: Need xman source Reply-To: jlong@brtph368.BNR.CA (John Long P205) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 3 Where can I get xman source? I would rather get xman for an HP 9000/700, but source will do. " 8525,2,"From: kris@circ.upenn.edu (Kris Gupta) Subject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Reply-To: kris@circ.upenn.edu Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: katsuru.circ.upenn.edu In article 2773@leland.Stanford.EDU, shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) writes: ... > I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows. > I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and > progman.ini. Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows > (progrman.ini has a ""group 7 = ...ndw.exe..."" which can't be deleted.) > > Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? > One of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications) is labelled ""Norton Desktop Uninstall"". Need I say more! --- Kris B. Gupta - Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center Dept Radiology - Hospital of U of Pennsylvania Internet: kris@gynko.circ.upenn.edu " 8526,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr15.135650.28926@st-andrews.ac.uk> nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) writes: >I don't think you're right about Germany. My daughter was born there and >I don't think she has any German rights eg to vote or live there (beyond the >rights of all EC citizens). She is a British citizen by virtue of >her parentage, but that's not ""full"" citizenship. For example, I don't think >her children could be British by virtue of her in the same way. I am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an application for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but I am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable in this case. >More interesting is your sentence, >>In fact, many people try to come to the US to have their children >>born here so that they will have some human rights. >How does the US compare to an Islamic country in this respect? Do people >go to Iran so their children will have some human rights? Would you? More interesting only for your propaganda purposes. I have said several times now that I don't consider Iran particularly exemplary as a good Islamic state. We might talk about the rights of people in ""capitalist secular"" third world countries to give other examples of the lack of rights in third world countries broadly. Say, for example, Central American secular capitalist countries whose govt's the US supports but who Amnesty International has pointed out are human rights vacua. Gregg " 8527,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Anybody out there? Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 30 I seldom see any posts in this group. Is anyone out there in Christendom listening? If so, why don't we get some dialog going here? Here's a topic to get things started. My daughter's Christian school sends home a weekly update on school related topics. This week they sent something *very* interesting. It was an article written by the leader of a national (US) Christian school organization about a trip he recently made to Jerusalem. While there, he was introduced to one of the rabbis who is working on a project to rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem. The article included photos of the many furnishings that have already been made in preparation for furnishing the rebuilt temple according to the specifications given in the Bible. What was even more striking is the fact that the plans for the temple are complete and the group is only awaiting permission from the Israeli government before beginning the building. The other startling fact is the very recent archeological discovery that the original site of the temple is unoccupied and available for building. Previously it has been thought that the original site was underneath what is now a mosque, making rebuilding impossible without sparking a holy war. Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days. Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is drawing near. Look up! [Postings are in the range of 30 to 50 per day, except weekends. If people aren't seeing that, we've got propagation problems. --clh] " 8528,10,"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) Subject: Re: 1993 NHL Draft Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 51 In article <93109.134719IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Jon Carr writes: >When is the draft this year? And will there be any coverage? >I know the upcomming NFL draft is on ESPN. > >Anyone got the details? > >Paul Kariya 1993 #1 Pick! (No. 2 perhaps? He won't last long!) :-) > I don't know the exact coverage in the states. In Canada it is covered by TSN, so maybe ESPN will grab their coverage! I don't know! As for the picks Ottawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will go #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec. IMO I would take Kariya. He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in the World Championships. Daigle didn't show this for his junior team. San Jose will then get Kariya. Tampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong) Because of expansion I won't go further but I will name other of the blue chip prospects - Chris Gratton - Chris Pridham - a swedish player who I can't remember his name Draft Order ----------- 1) Ottawa 2) San Jose 3) Tampa Bay 4) South Florida or Anahiem 5) South Florida or Anahiem 6) Hartford 7) Edmonton 8) Dallas 9) NY Rangers 10) Philadelphia the 8th thru 10th picks could be wrong - I don't have the standings here and am guessing (In my mind there are 8 top notch prospects in the draft, with Kariya leading the way but not going #1) Shawn - GO CAPS (two first round picks for the next three years - THANKS ST.LOUIS or should I say RON CARON and SCOTT STEVENS) " 8529,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Lines: 67 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Paul E. Reimer) writes: >In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue) writes: > >[stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] > >>and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in >>due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw >>cars. >>marciano pitargue@cisco.com > >There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some >regulation to try to combat this. When I got my drivers license, I HAD >to take a drivers safety class. Tennessee, at least, does not require any sort of safety class to get a driver's license. All that is required is one twenty question quiz and to drive a car around the block without crashing. >I HAVE to be licensed to drive. In all probability, no you don't. You are required to be licensed to drive on public roads. A license is not necessary on private property. >My car >MUST be registered. Most states do not require the registration of cars that are not used on public roads. Those that do (California I know of) do so for tax purposes more than anything else. >I MUST (at least where I live) have liability >insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an >accident with it). Many states do not currently require this, and most, again, only make this requirement for public roads. A car sitting unused is not required to have insurance. >Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration >of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for >gun owners. The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* and *making rules for ownership*. The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a ""reasonable"" suggestion they've already seen abused. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 8530,7,"From: abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Nntp-Posting-Host: priory Organization: TP Performance Lines: 18 In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com>, tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes... >Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every >once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water >under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually happens >after a good thunder storm. A few Qs: > >1) Is this a common problem? >2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch? > I had the same problem in my '90 MX-6. Luckily I had it fixed under warranty. I think they replaced a tail light gasket. Check with a dealer, it's a known problem. ------------------------ Robert K. Abbott abbott@tps.enet.dec.com " 8531,2,"From: mhembruc@tsegw.tse.com (Mattias Hembruch) Subject: Re: Telix problem Article-I.D.: tsegw.C5w3HD.JIv Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange Lines: 20 dericks@plains.NoDak.edu (Dale Erickson) writes: >When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows >to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how >to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email >or send it to the news group. Thanks. You may have to define your serial ports under windows (I think it's the Control Panel, PORTS options..) >Dale Erickson >dericks@plains.nodak.edu >-- >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mattias -- Mattias Hembruch >> My views do not necessarily reflect those of the TSE. << E-mail: mhembruc@tse.com " 8532,7,"From: danmg@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Daniel Adams) Subject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94? Nntp-Posting-Host: grok85.columbiasc.ncr.com Reply-To: dan@Grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Organization: NCR Corporation Lines: 19 In article <1qll56INNp9r@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes: |> From article , by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin): |> > |> > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994? |> |> --Could be. Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters |> in the not-too-distant future? |> Makes sense, since the new Mercedes Benz engines go from 2.2L-4 to a 2.8L-6. Nothing in between. BTW, I beleive the numbers on those MB engines are 156 and 225 hp respectively. The one-upmanship in hp might induce BMW to create a larger six. Also, the 2.6 190E has lagged behind the 3-er 2.5 for some time wrt hp. I am sure the Bavarians wouldn't want to be ""shown-up"" by the Schwabians. PS- those MB engines haven't been released over here yet. daniel " 8533,0,"From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) Subject: Keith IS a relativist! Organization: Cured, discharged Lines: 25 In article <1pigidINNsot@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you > blame the tiger? AHA! He admits it! He IS a moral relativist! Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute morality' blurb a few weeks ago. > keith The Desert Brat -- John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/ Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |""It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | ""God's name is smack | |understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some."" | |produce it."" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains | +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ " 8534,9,"From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) Subject: Re: New Uniforms Article-I.D.: usenet.C51vwC.Lru Organization: Indiana University Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu In <1993Apr5.224631.636@Virginia.EDU> tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") writes: > Usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor >uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been >incredible. > Any thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I >remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my >guess he was wearing the exact same duds. > The Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have >reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets >insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the >first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me >a little of the Dodger logo. As far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their uniforms every year. Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets in cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps. Minor changes, but they do change them often. Last year, I think they had New York in all caps. Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year? What about Pittsburgh? > Many teams have opted for a return to a previous style >of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional. >(Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once >bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also >seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the >early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums >construcrted throughout the sixties. I hate the gray. They should opt for more color (like the White Sox). I hate white team versus gray team. Spring training uniforms look much better. > With salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one >in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the >horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it >was meant to be. " 8535,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Lines: 53 amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >> The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware >> out there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better >> one.) > >So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost? >Personally, Cylink stuff is out of my budget for personal use :)... If the Clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses, obviously one could do the same thing WITHOUT building in back doors. Indeed, even without special engineering, you can construct a good system right now. A standard codec chip, a chip to do vocoding, a DES chip, a V32bis integrated modem module, and a small processor to do glue work, are all you need to have a secure phone. You can dump one or more of the above if you have a fast processor. With integration, you could put all of them onto a single chip -- and in the future they can be. Yes, cheap crypto is good -- but we don't need it from the government. You can do everything the clipper chip can do without needing it to be compromised. When the White House releases stuff saying ""this is good because it gives people privacy"", note that we didn't need them to give us privacy, the capability is available using commercial hardware right now. Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. They aren't the ones making cheap crypto available. They are the ones keeping cheap crypto out of people's hands. When they hand you a clipper chip, what you are getting is a mess of pottage -- your prize for having traded in your birthright. And what did we buy with our birthright? Did we get safety from foreigners? No. They can read conference papers as well as anyone else and are using strong cryptography. Did we get safety from professional terrorists? I suspect that they can get cryptosystems themselves on the open market that work just fine -- most of them can't be idiots like the guys that bombed the trade center. Are we getting cheaper crypto for ourselves? No, because the market would have provided that on its own had they not deliberately sabotaged it. Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 8536,14,"From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr23.000021.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: >> [...] Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are >> not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli >> situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group >> (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year >> moratorium on taxes. >> >> Tom Freebairn > > >Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US >Government? Tom's right about this. It's only a grantable right if the granter has the will and the ability to stop anyone from taking it away from you. Never mind the legal status. >Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? >The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it? Nick's right about this. It's always easier to obtain forgiveness than permission. Not many people remember that Britain's King George III expressly forbid his american subjects to cross the alleghany/appalachian mountains. Said subjects basically said, ""Stop us if you can."" He couldn't. >If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will >stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? That's how the USA started. Of course, that's also how the Bolivarian Republic started (ca. 1800-1820) in central america. It didn't have quite the staying power of the USA. I'm sure there are more examples of going far away and then ignoring authority, but none jump to mind right now. >What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your >services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what >ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble.. Or do as some whaling nations do: define whatever activities you want to carry out as ""scientific research"" which just coincidentally requires the recovery of megatonnes of minerals (or whatever), then go at it. >Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason >or another, but who will give you a ""home"".. Such as Saudia Arabia or >whatever.. Lute Keyser had just this sort of arrangement with Libya (I think) in the late '70's for his commercial space launch project (one of the very earliest). It was killed by Soviet propaganda about NATO cruise missiles in Africa, which made Libya renege on the arrangement. Doug Loss " 8537,17,From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Go back to nursery school jerk. --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo 8538,5,"From: bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu (csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP) Subject: xwd->gif conversions Reply-To: bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu (shane thomas) Distribution: na Organization: The Gizmonic Institute Lines: 14 Hello, Anyone know of any source code I can get to either create window dumps in GIF format, or convert an XWD (x window dump) file into a GIF? Really could be any format I can manipulate in DOS, i.e. PCX, BMP, etc. later, shane --- bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu {uucp:rutgers!devon!gizmonic!csthomas} ""God bless those Pagans..."" - H. Simpson " 8539,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr19.223054.10273@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes: >Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands. >Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must >never forget... > > >>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. > >Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem >have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past. > > Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by > control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race > or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary. > >>I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as >>well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful >>discussion and enrichment. >> >>Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND > >Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos >off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed. > >-- Chris Metcalfe Chris, solid job at discussing the inherent Nazism in Mr. Davidsson's post. Oddly, he has posted an address for hate mail, which I think we should all utilize. And Elias, Wie nur dem Koph nicht alle Hoffnung schwindet, Der immerfort an schalem Zeuge klebt? Peace, pete " 8540,9,"From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Subject: Re: SUPER TOUGH Baseball Trivia Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Organization: Pomona College Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr17.015908.10416@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) writes: >In the Bruce Springsteen video ""Glory Days"", from the Born >in the USA album, they show two quick shots of a baseball game >on television in the bar Bruce and the E-Street band are playing. > >Name the teams? > >Which Stadium? > >Who is the pitcher? > >What two batters go down swinging? > >Also at the end of the video Bruce is throwing at a wooden >""strike zone"" and his last pitch a young boy lines a base >hit into center. As Bruce and the kid walk of the field the >kid asks him how he did today. > >Bruce mentions the team he was playing and that a certain >player got him in the bottom of the ninth. > >Name the player and the team! sandiego and graig nettles > >If anyone gets these I'll be impressed. > >Anthony M. Jivoin >National Center for Atmospheric Research >RSF/ATD - FL1 >P.O. Box 3000 >Boulder, CO 80307 " 8541,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Christian's need for Christianity Lines: 44 In article , lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes: > In article << < For example: why does the universe exist at all? > > .. > I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad. > The idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator > does not seem like much of a basis for belief. Please forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow the argument. My point is that ""if life has meaning or importance then we should try to find that meaning or importance"" which is almost a tautology. (I hope I'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is ""Creator"", though that is not obvious from my above argument. > And the logic is also appalling: ""God must exist because I want Him to."" (It's more like ""I think, therefore I am, therefore God is."") > I have heard this line of ""reasoning"" before and wonder how prevalent > it is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is > hopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don't see > where this is a good reason to become religious. If you want 'meaning' > why not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you > the security blanket you desire. Unfortunately the term ""religious"" is ambiguous to me in this context. I could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being religious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on the search. If you want ""meaning"" why not search for the truth? So far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding of truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions that are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply that I understand everything. Chris Mussack " 8542,5,From: egan@phony25.cc.utah.edu (Egan F. Ford) Subject: color xterm Keywords: color xterm Reply-To: egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu Organization: Call Business Systems Lines: 9 I'm look for current patches for color xterm for X11R5 pl19 ro higher. Could someone please tell me where to get them for e-mail them to me. Thanks. -- Egan F. Ford egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu 8543,17,"From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Nntp-Posting-Host: virginia Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 42 In article goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >> >>From: Center for Policy Research >>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal >> >>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >>---------------------------------------------------------- by >> Elias Davidsson >>Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. >> >>1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >>for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >>and the other Palestinian-Arab. >... >>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the > > Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf. Someone else said something similar. I will not comment on the value or lack of value of Elias's ""proposal"". I just want to say that it is very distressing that at least two people here are profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine. They were NOT like Elias's idea, they were more like the opposite. Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation. An instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies. According to Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race. They were persecuted, and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were considered not pure Gypsies but ""mongrels"" formed from the pure Gypsy race and other undesirable races. This was the key difference between the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way. It is also true that towards the end of WWII even the ""purist"" Gypsies were hunted down as the theory was forgotten. Brendan. (email: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) " 8544,17,"From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Lines: 66 Nntp-Posting-Host: taupe.cc.utexas.edu Organization: University of Texas @ Austin Lines: 66 In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research > Subject: Ten questions about Israel > > > Ten questions to Israelis > ------------------------- > > I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to > provide > accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are > indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by > people around me. > > 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize > Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens > must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as > Israelis ? That's true. Israeli ID cards do not identify people as Israelies. Smart huh? > 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, > could you provide any evidence ? Yes. There's one warhead in my parent's backyard in Beer Sheva (that's only some 20 miles from Dimona, you know). Evidence? I saw it! > 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of > individuals which were tried in secret and for which their > identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are > state secrets ? Yes. But unfortunately I can't give you more details. That's _secret_, you see. [...] > > Thanks, > > Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is You're welcome. Now, let me ask you a few questions, if you don't mind: 1. Is it true that the Center for Policy Research is a one-man enterprise? 2. Is it true that your questions are not being asked bona fide? 3. Is it true that your statement above, ""These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by people around me"" is not true? Noam " 8545,2,"From: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG (Eric Trepanier) Subject: More Cool BMP files?? Reply-To: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG Organization: Bell Sygma, Revenue Systems Development Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu writes: > > Hi, everybody: > I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring > looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, > I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file > I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for > some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, > etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. I downloaded the CompuServe GIF of the month. A raytraced image of a golf ball next to a hole. Very nice, 640x480x256 bitmap, easily converted to a Windows BMP. If anyone wants, I could upload a copy on Cica... Eric -- +------------------------+----------------------------+------------------+ | Eric Trepanier | Internet: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG | CI$: 71042,3207 | | 55 Grenon O. +----------------------------+------------------+ | Laval (Quebec) H7N 5M3 | Everybody has a right to believe in something | | Canada / (514)663-6929 | I believe I'll have another beer! | +------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ " 8546,3,"From: yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Summary: Sorry, can't be done from AMI BIOS Nntp-Posting-Host: nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster University Lines: 30 In article khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: >glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: > >>David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: >>: I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from >>: my 3 1/2"" B drive? [intermediate reply suggesting cable switch deleted] > >I have AMI bios, I have poked around the bios but haven't tried this but somewhere it says BOOT: A:;C: >I would assume that you could probably slip in a b: >althoug a.) I haven't tried it and >b.) don't mess with your CMOS unless you know what your doing!! I hate to burst your bubble but you cannot ""slip in a B:"" to that particular AMI BIOS setting. That setting only allows you to set the *boot order* of the floppy A: with respect to the primary HD C:, i.e., check A: first, then C: or check C:, then A:. > > >>Gordon Lang >-- >Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu >After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu Regards, Paul Yee yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca " 8547,7,"From: mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R. Haverstock) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: Educational Computing Network Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu >Well, you young fellers won't remember, but we used to have side vent >front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them. These were >separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors >that pivoted outward at the rear edge. Worked like a charm. Yeah, I loved the vent windows on my 82 Escort (hell, the only thing I liked about the car). One of the things I'd like to see brought back. Does anyone know if they're an option on the new Escorts? TRH " 8548,9,"From: r4938585@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (Doug Roberts) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Organization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson Lines: 17 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: joplin.biosci.arizona.edu In article bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: >RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You >can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: > > The team that scores more runs wins the game! > --------------------------------------------- >Flame Away >-- John Bratt OK, you asked for it! I guess that doesn't bode well for the Cubs then does it? Doug Roberts - ""Willing to trade Frank Bolick for a bag of used baseballs!"" - ""Let's go Expos!"" " 8549,6,"From: cf059@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Orion Bernard Yurgionas) Subject: INDIANA JONES HINT BOOK WANTED Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Looking for hint book for indiana jones and the last crusade the game is for the ibm.e-mail me or call 481 3740 and ask for orion. if you don't have the hint book but know how to answer these questions plao. 1.how do you beat biff. 2.how do you open the valt door. 3.how do you knock out the security system. " 8550,0,"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia Lines: 27 cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes: >Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards >depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation >in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and >people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. >At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people >experience. I agree, I reckon it's television and the increase in fundamentalism.. You think its the increase in pre-marital sex... others thinks its because psychologists have taken over the criminal justice system and let violent criminals con them into letting them out into the streets... others think it's the increase in designer drugs... others think it's a communist plot. Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not due solely to sex out of marriage. Jeff. >> >> Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view. >> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu " 8551,6,From: rtsbangi@msuvx1.memst.edu Subject: ********cd for sale******** Distribution: world Organization: Memphis State University Lines: 11 cd's for sale: 1. jon bon jovi - new jersey $8.00 2. boomerang - soundtrack $8.00 3. the police - every breath you take $8.00 */ $1.00 s/h e_mail rtsbangi@memstvx1.memst.edu 8552,7,"From: jackw@boi.hp.com (jack wood) Subject: BBB Autoline Arbitration Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Keywords: bbb arbitration lemon Lines: 46 My BBB Autoline arbitration experience is over. The outcome was decidedly mixed. I won the battle but lost the war. The arbitrator found that the car was defective, but decided to offer a repurchase well below market value :(. At the time of the hearing, average retail on my truck in the NADA book was $21,025, but the decision was for $17,665. I wrote a letter to the Council of Better Business Bureaus pointing out the fact that if you have an automobile that does not depreciate rapidly, the manufacturer has no incentive to deal with you. There is no way that the manufacturer can loose because they can turn around and sell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded a repurchase. The attitude of Chevrolet's representative at the hearing tends to support this point of view; he was totally unprepared and did not seem to take the proceeding very seriously. I decided to take the repurchase, even though I am getting totally screwed on the price. I will not have to deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon myself, and I have no case for a civil suit based on the Idaho lemon law. I am planning to send a letter to my elected representatives telling them how utterly ridiculous the Idaho lemon law is. The law allows for a ""use deduction"" equal to the IRS mileage allowance. As if Chevrolet were buying my gas and paying for my insurance. Summary of the case: In May 1992 I bought a new 3/4 ton HD Chevrolet pickup. Between May 1992 and December 1992 this vehicle required repair after repair. Systems that required attention included the transmission, heater fan, paint, suspension, and motor. The main problem was the five speed manual transmission. They could not install a non-defective transmission in at least four attempts. So, in summary, it is possible to get a repurchase, but you are going to get screwed on the price, unless you paid too much in the first place, or if your car happens to be a model that depreciates rapidly. jackw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com " 8553,9,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates <121055@netnews.upenn.edu> <1993Apr17.132013.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> Lines: 17 I hate to be the burden of bad news, but I think I will this time! =) The Phillies usually play at either 7:05 P.M. or 7:35 P.M. Eastern Time for weekdays. On Sundays the time is usually 1:35 P.M. Eastern Time. Boise is in Idaho. Idaho is in part of the Mountain Time Zone and in part of the Pacific Time Zone. The times that were given were for Mountain Time Zone starts. Please check a map in case I am wrong. But I am certain that Boise is in the Mountain Time Zone. Thanks for listening! The Shep " 8554,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr17.042918.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu>, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: > > I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar > Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject > back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information. > > Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? > > Frank Snyder > Auburn University > > snydefj@eng.auburn.edu I know someone had long talks about Solar Sails early this year and late last year..Also about Solar Sailing. Not sure who captured it if possible.. I think it was one of the regulars who had most or all the data? I think I started the latest round or the late last year round.. But the topic has been around here, off and on for a year or two.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 8555,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie Mask Update Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 29 Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for 1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! Player Team Pts Votes ----------------------------------------------------------- 1. Brian Hayward San Jose 15 6 Andy Moog Boston 15 6 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 11 5 4. Ed Belfour Chicago 10 5 5. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 5 3 Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2 Ron Hextall Quebec 5 2 8. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2 ----------------------------------------------------------- Others receiving 1 vote: Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), Clint Malarchuck (Buf/SD,IHL), Grant Fuhr (Buf), Rick Wamsley (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), John Vanbiesbrouck (NYR), Ken Dryden (Mon,ret), Bob Essensa (Win), Mike Vernon (Cal), Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 8556,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: The Dayton Gun ""Buy Back"" (Re: Boston Gun Buy Back) Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 11 According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a gun ""buy back"". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in. They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another media-event brought to you by HCI. Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit tacky, but hey, whatever works. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 8557,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Scientific Yawn X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 94 Gordon Rubenfeld responds to Ron Roth: GR> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote: GR> GR> RR> Well, Gordon, I look at the RESULTS, not at anyone's *scientific* GR> RR> stamp of approval. GR> GR> If you and your patients (followers?) are convinced (as you've written) GR> by your methods of uncontrolled, undocumented, unreported, unsubstantiated, GR> subjective endpoint research - great. But, why should the rest of us care? Gordon, even if you are trying to beat this issue to death, you'll never get more than a stalemate out of this one! I have never tried to force my type of medicine on any of you. Why should I? My patients are happy. I'm happy. You and your peers seem to be the only miserable ones around bemoaning the steady loss of patients to the alternative camp. Just look at Europe. There has been a steady exodus from 'synthetic' medicine for over a decade now, and it'll be just a matter of time before more people on this continent will abandon their drug and white coat worship as well and visit different doctors for different needs. GR> You see Ron, the point isn't whether YOU and your patients are GR> convinced that whatever it is you do works; it's whether what you do is GR> MORE effective in similar cases (of whatever it is you think you are GR> treating) than cupping, bloodletting, and placebo. This is very interesting. I have come exactly to the same conclusions but in regards to *conventional* medicine. You see, I don't just treat little old ladies that wouldn't know any different of what is being done, but a bulk of my patients consist of teachers, lawyers, judges, nurses, accountants, university graduates, and various health practitioners. If these people have gotten results with my method after having been unsuccessful with yours or their own, I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over whether you or your peers approve of my treatments --- let's face it, with all the blunders committed by ""scientific"" MDs over the years, I know a lot of people who hold your *scientific* method in much lower esteem than they hold mine! GR> As far as we know ayurveda = crystals = homeopathy = Ron Roth GR> which may all equal placebo administered with appropriate GR> trappings... Sorry, but I'm not familiar OR interested with what appears to be 'NEW AGE' medicine (ayurveda, crystals), with the exception of homeo- pathy, of which I took a course. But Gordon, you already knew that - you just wanted to make my system look a bit more far out, right? I use homeopathy very little, since my cellular test (EMR) is hard to beat for accuracy and minerals are more predictable, while homeopathy does have a problem with reliability, especially in acute conditions. An exception perhaps are homeopathic nosodes which act fairly quickly and are more dependable in certain viral or bacterial situations. GR> My colleagues and I spend hours debating study design GR> and results, even of therapies currently accepted as ""standard"". GR> As good (well, adequate) scientists, we are prepared, *if GR> presented with appropriate data*, to abandon our most deeply held GR> beliefs in favor of new ideas. I have met the challenges of hundreds of sceptics by verifying the accuracy of measuring their mineral status to their total satisfac- tion --- in other words EVERYONE INVOLVED is happy! If you were to cook a meal, would you worry over whether EVERYONE in this world would find it to their liking, or only those that end up eating it? Since I have financed every research project that I have undertaken entirely myself, I don't need to follow any of your rules or guide- lines to satisfy any aspects of a grant application, which YOU may have to; neither am I concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone else's criteria or acceptance. GR> Sorry Ron, if conviction were the ruler of truth, a flat Earth would GR> still be the center of the Universe and epilepsy a curse of the gods. I think there would be more justification for an uneducated person growing up in an uncivilized environment to believe in a flat earth, than for a civilized, well educated and scientifically trained mind to follow the doctrine of evolution. Genetic engineering of course is now the final frontier to show God how it is (properly) done. Now we've become capable of creating our own paradise and give disease (and God) the boot, right? But just before we get rid of Him for good, perhaps He could leave us some pointers on how to solve a couple of tiny problems, such as war, poverty, racism, crime, riots, substance abuse... And one last thing, could He also give us a hint on how to control natural disasters, the weather, and last, but not least --- peace? --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: The Lab called: Your brain is ready. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 8558,3,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Western Digital 1-800-832-4778.....Sam -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... " 8559,0,"Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 21 In article , chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) writes... > killing is wrong > if you kill we will punish you > our punishment will be to kill you. > >Seems to be lacking in consistency. Not any more so than holding people against their will is wrong if you hold people against their will we will punish you our punishment will be to hold you against your will Is there any punishment which isn't something which, if done by a private person to another private person for no apparent reason, would lead to punishment? (Fines, I suppose.) Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 " 8560,13,"Subject: Ovarian cancer treatment centers From: Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 9 A relative of mine has recently been diagnosed with ""stage 3 papillary cell ovarian cancer"". We are urgently seeking the best place in the country for treatment for this. Does anyone have any suggestions? As you might suspect, time is of the essence. Thanks for your help. Bob " 8561,2,"From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) Subject: Re: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC Reply-To: lam@jove.cofc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) writes: >I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which >distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. > >The information I am looking for is: > >Mail address >Phone number >Fax number >E-mail address Try postmaster@norton.com or postmaster@symantec.com > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** >*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** >*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** >*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** -- --- Ken Lam Network Administrator @ University of Charleston / Dept of Biology & Geology S.C. Space Grant Consortium (803)-792-4969 / FAX (803)-792-5446 " 8562,4,"From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:46:47 GMT In article <16BB1A4DF.DJCOHEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> Daniel Cohen, DJCOHEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes: >>I've noticed an interesting phenomenon on my Centris 650. If I unplug the >>keyboard and mouse and plug them in again without turning the power off, >>the mouse suddenly switches to about half its normal movement speed. I >>check the ""Mouse"" control panel, and there's no change in its setting >>there--it's still on full speed, the way I like it. Restarting the machine >>restores the normal mouse speed. >> >>By the way, it happens with both the newer-style mouse that came with the >>Centris, and the older-style mouse from my IIfx at work. Thus I don't think >>it has anything to do with the resolution setting in the mouse--it's >>definitely a quirk of the ADB interface (either hardware or software) in >>the Centris itself. >I have noticed this exact same phenomenon occurs with my LCIII. Perhaps it >is a quirk of the new machines? Sorry, but mine works fine (C650) My 2 cents worth... " 8563,6,"From: Kam-Chung Cheung Subject: Squirrel Hill Studio Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu Squirrel Hill Studio/Efficiency available in mid May. My lease is expiring on 7/31/93. Perfect for someone looking for temporary housing or someone who wants to stay beyond July. - Nice short walk to CMU - $325/month - Plenty of parking space on street - Quiet neighborhood - nearly new carpet - Call 421-8466 " 8564,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 78 In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: >>So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but >>no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at >>work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study >>using double-blind trials? > >Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own. Um, I hate to break this to you, but article numbers are unique per site. They have no meaning on other machines. >Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses? You mean the responses some of which pointed to double-blind tests which show no such ""chinese restaurant effect"" unique to MSG (it's elicited by the placebo as well.) >Yet again, the use of this >newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters >they have substantial knowledge of. Like youself? Someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition? >For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a >toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on >development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an >excitotoxic food additive, No, it's undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid which is an excitatory neurotransmitter. There is also evidence that excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain conditions like stroke, drowning and Lou Gehrig's disease, just to name a few. This is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid in foods. People are not receiving intra-ventricular injections of glutamate. >and that its major constituent, glutamate >is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain >(humans included). I don't know about premier, but it's certainly an important one. >Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off. Sez you. Such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies. Infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go, but they're not relevant to the matter at hand. Which is not to say that I favor its use in things like baby food--a patently ridiculous use of the additive. But we have no reason to believe that MSG in the diet effects humans adversely. >Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in >small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts >added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be >encountered in a ny single food. Wrong. Do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink? Milligrams worth. Compare that to a glass of milk. Do you know how much glutamate is present in most protein-containing foods compared to that added by the use of MSG? >By eating lots of junk food, >packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your >blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these >compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. Notice the subtle covering of her ass here: ""anyone _with a sensitivity_..."" We're disputing the size of that class. >Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. Impeccable. There most certainly is a dispute. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 8565,8,"From: Christine Hogan Subject: Strange Experience Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu Hi I t was very nice out yesterday in the 'burgh, so i rode my bike to my gynecologist appointment. When he came in to do the exam, he noticed my helmet sitting on a chair. He got excited and picked it up and started asking all sorts of questions about bikes and dealers in the area and the MSF course. Apparently he rode a friends 125 for a while years ago and recently the bug to ride caught him again. Needless to say, I had never before talked about bikes so much in such a position, if ya know what I mean :-> |Chris Hogan ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu |CB-1| | 1127 | | Soft as the massacre of Suns | | By Evening's Sabres slain | | emily dickinson | " 8566,16,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Lines: 89 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com>, allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: >> >> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod): >> >> >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up? >> >> Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide. >> No comparison. >> >> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey >> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and >> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate. >> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of >> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a >> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it. > > If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more > difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. > The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military > in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower. > > In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into > this country has greatly decreased. This is because its > value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or > heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. > Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on > the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and > thus it is economical. Here's a question: If most marijuana is domestic and producing it here is economical, why would we expect it to be imported? > Of note though ... domestic reefer > is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. > You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a > good dollar/pound deal. Yet it was done. Done quite successfully for a number of years. *Somebody* thought it was worth the risk. > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. Your assumption is that this ""low"" dollar/pound area is sufficiently low as to make gun-running unprofitable. On what do you base this? And given that smuggling channels are already established, and given the economies of scale, would it really add significantly more expense to start smuggling firearms, especially considering doing so would be less hazardous (in terms of getting caught) than drugs? > All production > would have to be local. Now *that* was a jump. In any case, define ""local."" It's a big country. > There are not all that many people > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. Wow, you gotta love the speculation. As I posted before, we import billions upon billions of raw ores across the Mexican border. Not only that but ships come in and out of U.S. harbors every day full stuff. And customs doesn't even have the extra advantage of being able to sniff them out. I'd be willing to wager that a shipload of handguns would be worth more than a shipload of raw ore, *and* you're virtually guaranteed to get it past customs, because they'd have to hand search every hold of every ship which came through. It's not simply a matter of how much money are they worth, but how much *more* money are they worth than other goods, based on the likelihood of being caught. Less money than drugs, but also a safer thing to smuggle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 8567,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: DESTROYING ETHNIC IDENTITY: TURKS OF GREECE (& Macedonians...) Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 145 In article ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: >> Sure your memory is weak. >> Let me refresh your memory (if that's not to late): >> First of all: it is called ISTANBUL. >> Let me even spell it for you: I S T A N B U L > When my grandfather came in Greece, the official name of the city was > Constantinoupolis. Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? >Now, read carefully the following, and then speak: >The recent Helsinki Watch 78 page report, Broken Promises: Torture and Ditto. |1| HELSINKI WATCH: ""PROBLEMS OF TURKS IN WESTERN THRACE CONTINUE"" Ankara (A.A) In a 15-page report of the ""Helsinki Watch"" it is stated that the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is still faced with problems and stipulated that the discriminatory policy being implemented by the Greek Government be brought to an end. The report on Western Thrace emphasized that the Greek government should grant social and political rights to all the members of minorities that are equal to those enjoyed by Greek citizens and in addition they must recognize the existence of the ""Turkish Minority"" in Western Thrace and grant them the right to identify themselves as 'Turks'. NEWSPOT, May 1992 |2| GREECE ISOLATES WEST THRACE TURKS The Xanthi independent MP Ahmet Faikoglu said that the Greek state is trying to cut all contacts and relations of the Turkish minority with Turkey. Pointing out that while the Greek minority living in Istanbul is called ""Greek"" by ethnic definition, only the religion of the minority in Western Thrace is considered. In an interview with the Greek newspaper ""Ethnos"" he said: ""I am a Greek citizen of Turkish origin. The individuals of the minority living in Western Trace are also Turkish."" Emphasizing the education problem for the Turkish minority in Western Thrace Faikoglu said that according to an agreement signed in 1951 Greece must distribute textbooks printed in Turkey in Turkish minority schools in Western Thrace. Recalling his activities and those of Komotini independent MP Dr. SadIk Ahmet to defend the rights of the Turkish minority, Faikoglu said. ""In fact we helped Greece. Because we prevented Greece, the cradle of democracy, from losing face before European countries by forcing the Greek government to recognize our legal rights."" On Turco-Greek relations, he pointed out that both countries are predestined to live in peace for geographical and historical reasons and said that Turkey and Greece must resist the foreign powers who are trying to create a rift between them by cooperating, adding that in Turkey he observed that there was will to improve relations with Greece. NEWSPOT, January 1993 |3| MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS TO FACE TRIAL IN GREECE. Two ethnic Macedonian human rights activists will face trial in Athens for alleged crimes against the Greek state, according to a Court Summons (No. 5445) obtained by MILS. Hristos Sideropoulos and Tashko Bulev (or Anastasios Bulis) have been charged under Greek criminal law for making comments in an Athenian magazine. Sideropoulos and Bulev gave an interview to the Greek weekly magazine ""ENA"" on March 11, 1992, and said that they as Macedonians were denied basic human rights in Greece and would field an ethnic Macedonian candidate for the up-coming Greek general election. Bulev said in the interview: ""I am not Greek, I am Macedonian."" Sideropoulos said in the article that ""Greece should recognise Macedonia. The allegations regarding territorial aspirations against Greece are tales... We are in a panic to secure the border, at a time when the borders and barriers within the EEC are falling."" The main charge against the two, according to the court summons, was that ""they have spread...intentionally false information which might create unrest and fear among the citizens, and might affect the public security or harm the international interests of the country (Greece)."" The Greek state does not recognise the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity. There are believed to be between 350,000 to 1,000,000 ethnic Macedonians living within Greece, largely concentrated in the north. It is a crime against the Greek state if anyone declares themselves Macedonian. In 1913 Greece, Serbia-Yugoslavia and Bulgaria partioned Macedonia into three pieces. In 1919 Albania took 50 Macedonian villages. The part under Serbo-Yugoslav occupation broke away in 1991 as the independent Republic of Macedonia. There are 1.5 million Macedonians in the Republic; 500,000 in Bulgaria; 150,000 in Albania; and 300,000 in Serbia proper. Sideropoulos has been a long time campaigner for Macedonian human rights in Greece, and lost his job as a forestry worker a few years ago. He was even exiled to an obscure Greek island in the mediteranean. Only pressure from Amnesty International forced the Greek government to allow him to return to his home town of Florina (Lerin) in Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia), where the majority of ethnic Macedonians live. Balkan watchers see the Sideropoulos affair as a show trial in which Greece is desperate to clamp down on internal dissent, especially when it comes to the issue of recognition for its northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia. Last year the State Department of the United States condemned Greece for its bad treatment of ethnic Macedonians and Turks (who largely live in Western Thrace). But it remains to be seen if the US government will do anything until the Presidential elections are over. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 8568,2,"From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) Subject: Re: Windows On A RAMDRIVE??? Help... Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 31 f_langleyrh@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >[...] Stuff del'd for bandwidth's sake. >Why? *sigh* If you don't have more than 16MBs of memory using a RAMDrive >with windows is a _waste_ of memory. Windows will access upto 16MB RAM better >as memory. As to why what you did didn't work, it is because driveletters >and paths are stored inside the group/pif/ini files. All of the sudden things >went from drive c: to drive e:! However, if you wanted to copy an application >up to the RAMDrive and re-setup it up, that should work normally, but as >previously stated, this will only hurt things unless you've got more than 16MBs >of RAM and are using whats above 16 as the RAMDrive. >I personally have 20MB's of RAM and run a ~4MB RAMDrive with a great deal of >success. However, if you are looking to speed up windows, the three things >I've noted that work the best are: > 1) A graphics accellerator card > 2) A co-processor (Even an emulator helps!) > 3) Some other disk-cache besides Smartdrive (I've tried several, > and Lightning for Windows and Norton Cache give me major > headaches as well.). I think the purpose the original poster was trying to serve is to avoid the SIGNIFICANT amount of disk access that Windows does on startup. It's like it's trying to it's bit in wearing the damn drive out. I estimate it's only reading a Mb of programs & data, but from the performance the drive gives, it sounds like they are scattered all over the drive (my drive is however regularily compressed). What is it that takes so much fuss. Perhaps if MS would take the trouble to optimize this startup process, less people would be wanting to find a solution themselves. " 8569,14,From: shread@ll.mit.edu ( Peter Shread) Subject: El Sets Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Distribution: us Lines: 5 I am looking for a source of orbital element sets other than UAF/Space Command. I believe there is one on CompuServe. Please let me know what other possible sources there are and how I can reach them. Thanks much. 8570,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 11 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net The dead giveaway is the repeated protestations that the new plan is aimed at ""criminals"", ""drug dealers"", ""terrorists"", etc. You'd think the tactic would be too obvious to trot out yet again after a decade of Sarah and the rest of the Brady Bunch using it to destroy the Second Amendment, but evidently the control nuts feel it will serve them one more time. As far as the export needs of American companies are concerned, I could almost believe that the plan to saddle the US industry with a hidden sabotaged algorithm was invented by a cabal of Japanese lobbyists. " 8571,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the >""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. That's right. Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though. Perhaps our goal is one of self-actualization. >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some >other species, either terrestrial or alien. Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This was not part of the original premise. >Does that make it moral to do so? Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't adversely affect your own, I guess). keith " 8572,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 30 In article pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes ""F"" to ""M"". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. > >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. The situation in this regard has changed considerably in recent years. See the discussion of ""high-power rocketry"" in the rec.models.rockets frequently-asked-questions list. This is not hardware you can walk in off the street and buy; you need proper certification. That can be had, mostly through Tripoli (the high- power analog of the NAR), although the NAR is cautiously moving to extend the upper boundaries of what it considers proper too. You need special FAA authorization, but provided you aren't doing it under one of the LAX runway approaches or something stupid like that, it's not especially hard to arrange. As with model rocketry, this sort of hardware is reasonably safe if handled properly. Proper handling takes more care, and you need a lot more empty air to fly in, but it's basically just model rocketry scaled up. As with model rocketry, the high-power people use factory-built engines, which eliminates the major safety hazard of do-it-yourself rocketry. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 8573,3,"From: eugenehs@phakt.usc.edu (HEUGE aka Eugene Hsu) Subject: Re: pc-X Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 25 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu In article <4552@isgtec.isgtec.com> ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes: >Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote: >: >: I just brought up NCD's PC-XView, Windows version, to use over a >: modem link to a Unix system at HP. Installation is easy, but you >: need a program, also from NCD, called XRemote to run on the Unix host. >: Total software cost for one seat was ~$200. > Anyone here know if NCD is doing educational pricing on these software packages for those of us strapped for cash? Thanks =eugene= s >-- >Ted Richards ted@isgtec.com [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted] >ISG Technologies Inc. 6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga Ont. Canada L4V 1S7 -- => Eugene Hsu (aka HEUGE) The University of Southern California <= =< eugenehs@scf.usc.edu Electrical and Biomedical Engineering >= => ""HO, HO, freaking HO... yeah yeah....who's Santa's next victim?"" <= => KROQ 106.7's The New Detective, as he goes undercover 12/15/92 >= " 8574,6,"From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin) Subject: Re: Printing Article-I.D.: rpi.gxt5g=_ Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu Distribution: na Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu In <2943988816.0.p00020@psilink.com> ""Jack Previdi"" writes: > As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. > Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, > many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial > use of Internet is no more. This is true, but long-standing tradition has been to keep commercial advertising in the biz.* hierarchy. -- Trip Martin night@acm.rpi.edu night%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu " 8575,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind. |> >In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such |> >issues. |> >And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral |> >significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions. |> |> What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior. |> That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to |> be immoral (in some cases). That's the craziest thing I ever heard. Are you serious? ""it doesn't take much work to be moral?"" |> Also, I've said that morality is a remnant of evolution. Really? And that's why people discuss morality on a daily basis? Because it's a kind of evolutionary hangover, like your little toe? |> Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in the animal |> kingdom. This must be some novel use of the phrase ""based on"" with which I am not sufficiently familiar. What do you mean by ""based on"" and what is the significance of it for your argument? |> |> >>So you are basically saying that you think a ""moral"" is an undefinable |> >>term, and that ""moral systems"" don't exist? If we can't agree on a |> >>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them? |> > |> >No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral |> >is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people. |> |> But, this doesn't get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant |> unless you can share them or discuss them... Well, we can. What would you like to know about my particular moral beliefs? If you raise a topic I've never considered, I'll be quite happy to invent a moral belief out of thin air. jon. " 8576,13,"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu Betty Harvey writes, > I am not a researcher or a medical person but it amazes me that > when they can't find a scientific or a known fact they automatically > assume that the reaction is psychological. It is mind boggling. This, simply stated, is a result of the bankrupt ethics in the healthcare and scientific medicine industries. America is fed up with the massive waste and fraud that is costing us 15% of our GNP to support these industries, while delivering marginal health care to the community. Unfortunately, the ""Clinton Plan"", in whatever form it takes, will probably cost us an even greater sum. Bleah. Steve " 8577,5,"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: Writing a Motif widget In-Reply-To: nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:17:40 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 40 In article nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicholas Young) writes: I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source, or can I make do with the public headers that are provided? ""Motif"" includes Xt in this context. Yes. You'll find it almost impossible without the source at this point. It does depend on how ambitious you are and how concerned you are about compliance with the general interface and items like traversal. One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class. Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)? I'm not sure what you're asking. You could create something which is very much like a true multi-column list by placing several lists within a geometry manager, and putting that manager within an automatic scrolled window. This wouldn't be good for very large lists, but you might consider this as an alternative. Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they could sell me, this might save me from having to write one! Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not yet have the spec)? Motif 1.2 does not have a multi-column list in it. Have you looked at commercial sets? There are also some PD widget sets, one of these might have a multi-column list you could port. -- Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ " 8578,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Armenians will not get away with the genocide of Azeri people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 47 In article enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy) writes: >>From article <9304202021@zuma.UUCP>, by sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic): >>Armenians will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri people. > On the contrary, Armenians will get away with the genocide of > 204,000 Azeri people. > Armenians already got away with raping, torturing, and massacering > millions of innocent Moslem peoples of Eastern Anatolia. Not this time, Enis. Furthermore, a new generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the armed struggle. In other words, what we have is a demand from the fascist government of x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our people. ""The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination of the Muslim population in the Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag, Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."" (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992) ""Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan, are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these lands."" (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992) Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 8579,8,"From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) Subject: Riding Jacket Recommendations Nntp-Posting-Host: me.udel.edu Organization: Center for Composite Materials/University of Delaware Lines: 36 My old jacket is about to bite the dust so I'm in the market for a new riding jacket. I'm looking for recommendations for a suitable replacement. I would like to buy a full Aerostich suit but I can't afford $700 for it right now. I'm considering two basic options: 1) Buy the Aerostich jacket only. Dunno how much it costs due to recent price increases, but I'd imagine over $400. That may be pushing my limit. Advantages include the fact that I can later add the pants, and that it nearly eliminates the need for the jacket portion of a rainsuit. 2) Buy some kind of leather jacket. I like a few of the new Hein-Gericke FirstGear line, however they may be a bit pricey unless I can work some sort of deal. Advantages of leather are potentially slightly better protection, enhanced pose value (we all know how important that is :-), possibly cheaper than upper Aerostich. Requirements for a jacket are that it must fit over a few other layers (mainly a sizing thing), if leather i'd prefer a zip-out lining, it MUST have some body armor similar to aerostich (elbows, shoulders, forearms, possibly back/kidney protection, etc.), a reasonable amount of pocket space would be nice, ventilation would be a plus, however it must be wearable in cold weather (below freezing) with layers or perhaps electrics. Please fire away with suggestions, comments, etc... Steve -- -- Steve Andersen DoD #0239 andersen@me.udel.edu (302) 832-0136 andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu 1992 Ducati 907 I.E. 1987 Yamaha SRX250 ""Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."" " 8580,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes: >Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very >hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a >""feel"" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience. >No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a ""quack"" >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck. > Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures. They poo-poo doing more lab tests: ""this is Lyme, believe me, I've seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it now."" Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this pattern. They are usually GPs. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8581,8,"From: asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) Subject: DoD Books Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 18 Anyone around here read this yet? Does Anita have a number? >> Title: Software measurement for DoD systems : recommendations for initial >> core measures / Anita D. Carleton, ... [et al.]. >> Subject: Software engineering.; Computer programming management. >> Author: Carleton, Anita D. >> Author: Carnegie-Mellon University. Software Engineering Institute. >> Publ: Pittsburgh, Pa. : Carnegie Mellon University, Software Engineering >> Institute, 1992. 53 p. Tony -- =-=-= These opinions are nothing but my own, and I may not even want them =-=-= Antonio Salerno ""The heart, the liver, the spleen, the pancreas. All antonio.j.salerno@att.com these miraculous organs work in _total_darkness_!"" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - David Letterman -=-=-=-=-= " 8582,1,"From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman) Subject: Easy to translate JPEG code... Article-I.D.: shelley.1rfsqbINNc2p Organization: University of Washington Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Does anyone out there have any JPEG decompression code in pretty much any language that I can read and understand? I have trouble understanding the JPEG Group's code that I got from an FTP site. If any one can send me some good code, I will appreciate it a lot! Thanks! Stuart Denman stusoft@u.washington.edu " 8583,13,"From: Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com (John Lauger) Subject: Imitrex and heart attacks? Organization: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: q5020598.mdc.com My girlfriend just started taking Imitrex for her migraine headaches. Her neurologist diagnosed her as having depression and suffering from rebound headaches due to daily doses of analgesics. She stopped taking all analgesics and caffine as of last Thursday (4/15). The weekend was pretty bad, but she made it through with the help of Imitrex about every 18 hours. Her third injection of Imitrex, during the worst of the withdrawl on Friday and six hours after the first of the day, left her very sick. Skin was flushed, sweating, vomiting and had severe headache pain. It subsided in an hour or so. Since then, she has been taking Imitrex as needed to control the pain. Immediately after taking it, she has increased head pain for ten minutes, dizziness and mild nausea and mild chest pains. A friend of hers mentioned that her doctor was wary of Imitrex because it had caused heart attacks in several people. Apparently the mild chest pains were common in these other people prior to there attacks. Is this just rumor? Has anyone else heard of these symptoms? My girlfriend also has Mitral Valve Prolapse. Opinions are mine or others but definately not MDA's! Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com McDonnell Douglas Aerospace, Huntington Beach, California, USA " 8584,15,"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Re: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 19 news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: >True. >Also read 2 Peter 3:16 >Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who >are not learned on the subject. Where do insparations/Miracles fit in? I was a new reader to the bible and Qu'ran at the same time in my life and I can tell you that I would have drifted in my faith if Those books were not exposed to me. >Joe Moore -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu " 8585,13,"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: Blood Glucose test strips Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr12.151035.22555@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >In article <1993Apr11.192644.29219@clpd.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes: >> >> Human glucose: 70 - 110 mg./dL. (fasting) [2] > >Are these numbers for whole blood, or plasma? Serum, actually, but plasma numbers are the same. Whole blood numbers for humans tend to be somewhat lower (roughly 5 to 10 percent lower). I find the following range for whole blood in FUNDAMENTALS OF CLINICAL CHEMISTRY: N. W. Teitz, editor; W. B. Saunders, 1987: Human glucose (whole blood, fasting levels) --> 60 - 95 mg./dL. >Which are the strips calibrated for? (Obviously they measure whole blood) Indeed, they do measure whole blood levels, although they are not as accurate as a serum test done in a laboratory. One problem is that cells in the sample continue to metabolize glucose after the sample is drawn, reducing the apparent level. According to Teitz, however, results compare ""reasonably well"" with laboratory results, although ""values below 80 mg./dL. tend to be lower with strip tests, whereas values above 240 mg./dL. can be very erratic."" >What is the conversion factor between human plasma glucose and >whole blood (pin prick) glucose concentration? As stated above, whole blood levels tend to be roughly 5 to 10 percent lower than serum levels. Sample freshness will affect whole blood levels, however. I don't believe there is a well- defined ""conversion factor,"" since cell metabolism will affect samples to varying degrees. The serum/plasma test is much preferred for any except general ""ball park"" testing. -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) " 8586,6,"From: spooge@carson.u.washington.edu (Jeff Barrett) Subject: Printer Paper Tray Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 5 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale. Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used. I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95) please reply to Jeffo at spooge@u.washington.edu or (206)543-0340 " 8587,1,"Subject: Re: univesa driver From: djlewis@ualr.edu Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.ualr.edu Lines: 13 In article <13622@news.duke.edu>, seth@north13.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) writes: > > I got the univesa driver available over the net. I thought that finally > my 1-meg oak board would be able to show 680x1024 256 colors. Unfortunately a > program still says that I can't do this. Is it the fault of the program (fractint) > or is there something wrong with my card. > univesa- a free driver available over the net that makes many boards > vesa compatible. WHATS THIS 680x1024 256 color mode? Asking a lot of your hardware ? Don Lewis " 8588,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 125 Thomas Parsli writes: > Observations from a naive norwegian: Yup, you said it. I admire such honesty. ;-) > 1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to > have something more macho than stamps to collect..... Fire an Anschutz .22, then come back and talk to us. You're letting ignorance and possibly fear cloud your thinking. Either that, or this is sour grapes because we beat you in the Olympic shooting events. Funny, you'd think biathalon would be a natural sport for the norse. ;-) > 2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than > with a knife or a bat (as in baseball). Precisely. That makes them the best method of defense for the citizenry. Not everybody has the time to train with a gladius, you know, but for some reason those who prey on others seem to have more free time. To extend this a bit further, you need only a certain level of competence to beat another with a range weapon. Getting in their face with a weapon and winning is much more difficult, and requires more training time the average citizen just does not have. I've spent a few years practicing with a sword. I can take the common person armed with one (though self-defense isn't the reason I own one). My kid sister would have an even chance of beating me, gun vs. gun, with only a month of training. That makes firearms much better, in our eyes. > 3) It's not very wise to compare two completely different > countries like USA and, let's say, Island on issues like > crime and violence. Excellent point. Perhaps you aren't so naive after all? > 4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools > beeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration. Taken into consideration in what respect? Though quite wrong, let's make it a blanket statement for weapons in general. This has been taken into consideration. We call use of them aggrivated assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault with intent to kill, attempted murder, and a whole host of others, and tack on extra prison time. > We have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently > it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun. > Shotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it > was so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes. In Norway I suspect it was about the only weapon available. You conquered your land (among others) a full millenia before we were thought of, and shortly thereafter weapons weren't quite so common. I suspect that a few world wars made a difference too, since in times of emergency weapons tend to be turned in or donated to needy causes. I'm curious, though, were the weapons used in the crimes bought shortly before the crime, or were they aquired by other means? Any requirements other than just registering the shotgun? > And -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell..... > There are now a new law against wearing long knives in public, > and why should it be allowed ?? ""Come on down to honest Erik's Used Swords! Here's a slightly-used short sword, *THE* battlefield supremacy weapon of the eleventh century! Only $39.95 with trade-in. Easy financing!"" Sorry, I couldn't resist. You guys still slicing each other with long knives, or is this really not a problem? > What I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that > you (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence > than on nudity and sex. > Try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder... I'm all for that. What gets me is that scandanavians (and yes, I'm only a couple generations off the longship) used to be some of the most feared warriors on the planet a mere millenia ago, yet now seem to spend their time sitting in spas and doing a bit of topless sunbathing. Maybe you had a bit more time, and a more homogeneous culture, to become civilized with? > Yes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human > right to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun > in your car?? Yes. We're too damned violent, partially I believe because we are not a homogeneous culture and don't identify ourselves as ""Americans"" first and foremost. I'm rather proud of my Norwegian and Danish heritage, whereas I suspect you couldn't care less about that 2% Welsh blood in your veins thanks to a raid in Ireland back in 1055? The time scale and the homogeneous culture are important. Equally important is a basic philosophical difference in personal versus collective good. In America, the individual is more important than the masses. Personal liberties are prized above all. This is, sadly, changing of late, but I trust you notice how this call for freedom makes laws that restrict individuals for little collective benefit hateful to Americans. I'd hazard a guess that, were America less interested in freedom and personal liberty and more interested in collective good we never would have sent our armed forces anywhere. One poor effect of this culture we have is that we're looking out for ourselves and it is quite easy to identify with only a small segment of the population. My grandmother tells of being discriminated against back in Denmark because she spoke ""low Dane,"" whereas others spoke ""high Dane."" It was shortly after World War II, as I remember, that ""low Dane"" was abolished so there was one common dialect. We cannot fathom such a minor thing being a problem, because we have even more obvious means of identifying an ""outsider."" > The bad english is not my fault, it's probably > the keyboard-software or the quality of the > subtext on tv...... Take heart, yours is better than 90% of what gets posted by native speakers. Any helpful hints for our educational system? People have this annoying tendency to drop out of school and sell drugs over here. [ ;-) And what kind of name is Thomas Parsli? Here, you can use my great grandfather's before he changed it: Christian Aarskog. That's a great one for getting mispronounced. I think that's why he changed it. I don't think he needs it anymore ;-) ] < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 8589,3,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Help choosing SCSI controler Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 10 I need to buy a SCSI controler for my 486 machine to use with a quantum 425F harddrive. I know that adaptec is good, but they are kind of expensive. Essentially I want a controller in the $100-$150 range that I can use with this drive. I plan to use Windows and later on OS 2.1 when it comes out. Any reccomendations appreciated. -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com " 8590,12,"From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch) Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals?? Distribution: world Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site) Lines: 26 In article , Frank Holden KA3UWW writes: > >I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage > >levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have > >a suggestion?? Thanks. > > Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what > you want. They are selling it for about $3.50... Are you sure that he needs a two way converter? If he wants only RS232->TTL I would suggest the MC1489, its very cheap (0.80 DM in Germany). This chip needs only +5V. The MC1488 TTL->RS232-Converter uses +12V and -12V. BTW... The MAX232 and compatibles seem to be expensive in the USA... I paid 2.95 DM for a ITS80272 (made by Harris), its absolutely compatible with the MAX232 or the ICL232. Gerrit -- Gerrit Heitsch Moenchweg 16 7038 Holzgerlingen Germany Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9) If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91) " 8591,17,"From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Reply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr20.143453.3127@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: > From article <1qvgu5INN2np@lynx.unm.edu>, by osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski): > > > Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in > > requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters. > > So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul? > > > > Marek Osinski > > Thessaloniki is called Thessaloniki by its inhabitants for the last 2300 years. > The city was never called Solun by its inhabitants. > Instabul was called Konstantinoupolis from 320 AD until about the 1920s. > That's about 1600 years. There many people alive today who were born in a city > called Konstantinoupolis. How many people do you know that were born in a city > called Solun. > > Napoleon Are you one of those people who were born when Istanbul was called Konstantinopolis? I don't think so! If those people use it because they are used to do so, then I understand. But open any map today (except a few that try to be political) you will see that the name of the city is printed as Istanbul. So, don't try to give any arguments to using Konstantinopolis except to cause some flames, to make some political statement. -- Tankut Atan tankut@iastate.edu ""Achtung, baby!"" " 8592,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 30 In article <1qnmnp$db8@sol.TIS.COM> mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) writes: >traffic. That way your traffic looks ""normal"" and perhaps anyone >desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's >going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for >important stuff. Nice to think, but naive. The fact is that millions of people today are sending highly confidential information over unencoded, easy to receive cellular phones. They figure the chances of being heard are small, so they risk it. And 99.9% of people don't understand crypto the way the least of the sci.crypt newbies does. If Clinton tells them it's good crypto, they'll believe him, and send important stuff over it, and be thankful that they're no longer using clear-voice FM cellular phones. Only a tiny fraction of people will want more crypto. Worse, in the eyes of the government, which swears up and down the algorithim is spook-level secure (and it may indeed be) the only reason you could possibly want this extra level is to avoid police. By using it, you'll attract attention as a likely lawbreaker. ""Your honour, the suspect suddenly started using another level of cryptography and we can't tap his phone calls any more. He must have something to hide. Please sign the warrant to search his house..."" -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 8593,2,"From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: WORD 2.0 HELP! Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 10 Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu Hello, I'm having problems printing SPANISH characters with WFW2. I was using the Celtic True type which has the accented characters, and used insert symbol to put in in the document. However, when I put it in the doc, I get a big square character, and then it prints out just the same (to my dismay, thinking that was just the way it worked). Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 8594,17,"From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) Subject: Jewish Committee on the Middle East (JCOME) Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu I flipped on my local Cable Access Channel (a channel where any community member can broadcast whatever they want for about $50 per half hour) and saw a ""documentary"" (I use this term loosely) on the conflict in the West Bank. It was apparently made with a hand held camcorder (the quality was terrible, and the camera was really jumpy). The documentary (sic) told the tales of all of the children who died in the ""war"" against the Jews as martyrs. It was a regular sob story. One ""victimized youth"" was recounting on how all he ""really"" wants to do is to get an education and that the big bad Jews won't let him go to high school. He admittedly spent 4 years in prison (age 13 to 17) for murdering a Jewish woman but claims that it was ""for the cause."" I have seen this kind of garbage before. I have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause (as do many Jews), but I think that even many Arabs would be ashamed to call this a documentary! The most suprising part is that the only credits shown at the end was an address for the makers of the film named JEWISH COMM. ON THE MIDDLE EAST. Anybody heard of them? They make Peace Now look like right-wingers. Gedaliah Friedenberg -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science -=-Michigan State University " 8595,5,"From: dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Crooke) Subject: Bitplaned (""non-chunky"" pixel) cfb???? Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh Lines: 17 Is there a PD version of cfb, or other PD server stuff, which has a colour frame buffer implementation which works in bitplaned mode, i.e. where the screen memory is grouped so that ""bit 0 of every pixel is here, bit 1 is there, etc."" The only such beast I know if at the moment is the GfxBase server for the Commodore Amiga, and it is commercial. I don't know if they wrote their own cfb, but I suspect they did. Please respond by email, as I don't read this group. Many thanks Dave -- David Crooke, Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh Janet dcc@ed.dcs : Internet dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk : IP talk dcc@129.215.160.2 Work: JCMB Rm 3310, King's Bldgs, W Mains Rd., Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. 031 650 6013 Home: 2FL, 39 Woodburn Terr, M'side, Edinburgh EH10 4ST. Tel: 031 452 9067 " 8596,7,"From: shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 86 NNTP-Posting-Host: daffy.sps.mot.com In article <9866@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@harvey.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes: >In article <1pvjlnINNckf@daffy.sps.mot.com>, shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) writes: >|> >|> Some comments: >|> >|> a) Good performance and mid and high speeds can be obtained by adjusting the >|> top gear and final drive ratios. Contrary to popular misperception, a >|> number of Japanese cars have quite good performance from 70+ in top >|> gear. > >No problem with that. The question is: do they perform consistently in all >conditions (roads, winds and curves) at that speed and do so for hours on end, >year after year without giving the driver white knuckles? From my experience on >the Autobahns/Autostrade, a good touring car can be easily distinguished by its >""poise"" at >100mph. The best stay on cruise control at 155 for hours. I've >seen the typical boy racer in a Fiat try to keep up. Sure they hit the century >mark, but if the wind blows the wrong way they change lanes, and if on an >overpass, they may fly right into a guardrail. The buffeting at 125 can be >severe enough to make the hood bend. Tires at 155 can melt, and a pothole can >kill. Many German cars are designed for this environment, even if they can't >seem to get out of their own way from a stop light (Mercedes come to mind in >particular.) And another design point is fuel economy at those speeds. The >Germans gear the car for very good high speed efficiency (a typical M-B 300E turns >1500 at 55, almost a stall :-) Good point. I have no idea how either of my Hondas will handle at 100+ mph, nor do they reach 155. However, using `high' to be 70-90 mph: a) They are quite amenable to long high speed drives. I've done several 1k mile+ trips in my Civic with no problems whatsoever. The last big trip I made was driving from New York to Texas. I remember driving 700-800 miles a day at typically 75-85 mph without any problems. I'm sure I would have been more comfortable driving a benz, but no white knuckles. No problems with winds and curves. Then there was the trip back from New Orleans after Mardi Gras - where we were doing 80+ all the way to Houston. No problems. b) Both my cars have surprising good fuel economy at high speeds. I see no difference between sustained 60 mph and sustained 80mph. On the trip back from New Orleans, we got about 30 mpg in my Integra, quite ok. Mind you, the engine revs to almost 4k at 80. The civic is markedly better than the Integra in fuel economy. 50k miles down the road, I still get 35 mpg at 70-75 mph driving. >|> b) I can't understand why these high-scale European marquees are afraid >|> to design engines that can be repeatedly revved to near redline in >|> the low gears. I have been doing that for that last 50k miles with >|> my lowly Civic, with no detriment to either the engine or the clutch, >|> and getting excellent mpg to boot. I'd call this an engineering hack >|> to cover up design deficiencies. > >At 50k miles you'd still be breaking-in a ""high-scale European marquee"" They >typically are designed to last 300,000 miles per engine, 500,000 mi. per >chassis. (The record is now over 1,500,000 miles on a Benz diesel, and I've >read about *transmissions* lasting 700,000 miles.) Speaking of Now now, you can't compare a diesel with a gasoline engine. I see enough bmws and gasoline mercs for sale that have 100-150k miles on them and advertise rebuilt engines. If honda was to build an accord for 30k, I'd darn well expect the sucker to last 300k miles. >diesels, they have very good efficiency at the cost of acceleration, and are very >popular in all European cars (diesel is considered the ""green"" fuel) from the >smallest econoboxes to the luxo-barges. Again, we see a difference in mentality. >Diesels in the US are considered slightly worse than useless, and extremely >""dirty"" to boot so you can't give them away. Ever got caught behind a early 80's 300SDL at a stop light? It's not pleasant. The newer MB's are a lot better though. The diesel Volvos and VWs are probably the smelliest offenders. As for economy, why should we care? Gas is cheap! I personally wouldn't buy a diesel car for any reason - what does it buy me? Shantanu Ganguly Somerset (Motorola) phone : (512) 795-7146 Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513 fax : (512) 795-7513 6501 William Cannon Drive W. Austin TX 78735-8598 email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com " 8597,19,From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 16 Apr 93 God's Promise in Psalm 32:8 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 6 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye. Psalm 32:8 8598,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: na Lines: 10 In article eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: > >this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue. >i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll >never catch me dead in a minivan! even a minivan based on viper running gear? -teddy p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year. " 8599,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Arafat (Re: Sampson) Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 61 In article <5897@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.182402.11676@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >>Perhaps, though one can argue about whether or not the current >>Palestinian delegation represents the PLO (I would hope it does not, as >>the PLO really doesn't have that kind of legitimacy). >Does it matter to you, Naftaly, Adam, and others, that Arafat >advises the delegation and that the PLO, overall, supports it? Does >it also matter that Arafat, on behalf of the PLO, recognizes Israel >and its right to exist? Further, does Israel's new policy concerning >direct negotiations with the PLO hold any substance to the situation >as a whole? No, he does not. Arafat explicitly *denies* this claim. from a Libyan televison interview with Yasser Arafat 7-19-1991 Q: Some people say that the Palestinian revolution has many times changed its strategies and tactics, something which has left its imprint on the Palestinian problem and on the Palestinian Liberation Front. The [strategies and tactics] have not been clear. The question is, is the direction of the Palestinian problem clear? The Palestinian leadership has stopped, or at least this is what has been said in the media, this happened on the way to the dialogue with the United States, the PLO recognized something called ""Israel""... A: No, no, no! We do not recognize the State of Israel. We said ""recognition"" -- when a Palestinian state is established. It will then decide if to recognize Israel or not. When it is established, its parliament will convene and decide. >policies which it can justify through occupation. Because of this, >you have the grassroot movements that reject Israel's authority and >disregard for human rights; and, if Israel was serious about peace, it >would abandon these policies. And replace them with what? If Israel is to withdraw its control of any territory, there must be two prerequsites. One is that it leads to a reduction in deaths. The second is that it should not weaken Israels bargianing position with respect to peace talks. Leaving Gaza unilateraly is a bad idea because it encourages arabs to think they can get what they want by killing Jews. The only way Israel should pull out of Gaza is at the end of negotiations. These negotiations should lead to a mutually agreeable solution with security guarantees for both sides. Until arabs are ready to sit down at the table and talk again, they should not expect, or recieve more concessions. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 8600,4,"From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister) Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com In article , pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes: > Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$. > I think that was the cheapest I ever saw. As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card (32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU). Regular price is $199. No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is interested (I found their ad in MacUser). -Jim Burmeister (no relation to Mac's Place except as a satisfied customer!) jimb@csd.harris.com " 8601,1,"From: cs60805@basin04.cacs.usl.edu (Rao Koganti Srinivasa) Subject: POLYGON FILL routine needed .... Organization: The Center for Advanced Computer Studies Lines: 18 Hi , I am looking for a polygon fill routine to fill simple 4 sided polygons . Can some one who has this routine in C help me in saving my ""REINVENTING"" time. Thanx in advance ..... Rao. " 8602,10,"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) Subject: Re: Schedule... Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA Lines: 41 In article <121411@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: >In article <1qup1lINNotb@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: >>Does anyone have the games ESPN will be airing this week??? Hopefully the >>Detroit/Toronto game tongiht. I though ABC did a decent job by getting some > >F**king *NO* hockey games televised nationally tonight! What the hell is >this??? Why the hell is ESPN showing some stupid baseball game, when >baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the >playoffs??? No, wait, I know the answer: $$$$$$ But still! It really >pisses me off to no end. They better start putting some more f*cking >games on, or they will never make any money off of the deal that brought >hockey back to ESPN. AARGH!!!! (not that I'd watch anyway, but hockey >needs all the publicity it can get) > >-- > Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! > LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! > kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! > > ""A cow is not a vegetarian dish."" -- Keith Keller, 1993 You obviously don't understand how TV scheduling works. ESPN had prior contracts to baseball to show Monday night games and had contracted all the other bs shows well in advance. The NHL TV deal was very late in the scheduling process (you normally have to do this one-plus year out. The NHL package was finished two weeks before the season started). ESPN has shown tremendous commitment to the NHL by squeezing in extra telecasts when it could (like the last Minnesota game) and putting Stanley Cup games as backup to their baseball telecasts (which by favorable circumstances they could pull off last night). But the bottom line is that ESPN cannot break contracts at will. They must honor the previous deals they made. $$$$ _does_ have something to do with it, especially if you risk a $$$$$$$$ lawsuit for breach of contract with baseball. So relax. I'm happy. (I don't get SportsChannel anyway). -Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil " 8603,13,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: pointer for info (long shot) Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 49 In article , Regis M Donovan writes: > This is something of a long shot... but what the hell. the net is > full of people with strange knowledge... > > I'm looking for suggestions as to what could be causing health > problems one of my relatives is having. > > One of my cousins has had health problems for much of her life. > Around the age of 10 she had some gynecological problems. Now she's > in her early/mid twenties and she is going blind. > > Her eyes are not producing enough (if any) moisture. She's been going > to Mass Eye and Ear and the doctors there have no clue what the actual > cause is. THey have apparently tried eyedrops and such. She is just > about completely blind in one eye and the other is massively > deteriorated. Sjogren's syndrome has been known to induce dryness in vaginal tissue as well as induce primary biliary cirrhosis. Otherwise the abdominal swelling could be due to a complication of Sjogren's known as pseudolymphoma which *can* produce a splenomegaly (enlarged spleen). She should definitely see a rheumatologist. Since you don't mention skin disorder, anemia, or joint pain you'd probably rule out erythema nodosum or scleroderma. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > > Also, and this may or may not be related, she is having some changes > in her abdomen. her stomach has swelled (i'm not sure if this is > stomach the organ or stomach teh area of the body). > > I guess the step they're going to take next is to do a whole battery > of tests to check all the other internal systmes besides just the > eyes... > > but just because the net is a source of large amounts of bizarre > knowledge, i'm going to ask: has anyone ever heard of anything like > this? suggestions of things to ask about (since much of my knowledge > about her state comes second or third hand)? > > Thanks. > --Regis > zonker@silver.lcs.mit.edu > " 8604,4,"From: franks@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (Frank Siebenlist) Subject: Powerbook 170 freezes after 18 seconds; Help! Nntp-Posting-Host: ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg Organization: /home/franks/.organization Distribution: comp Lines: 20 A few days ago, my powerbook starts to freeze after appr. 18 seconds of inactivity. It stays alive as long as a program is actively running or as long as the mouse is moved. Did anyone experience similar problems? Any known fixes? Please reply by email as I can't read this newsgroup normally. Regards, Mike Fisher (efisher@ntu.ac.sg) -- --------------------------------------------------- Frank Siebenlist Senior Research Fellow GINTIC Institute of Manufacturing Technology (GIMT) Nanyang Technological University (NTU) Nanyang Avenue Singapore 2263 Tel: +65 799-1215 Fax: +65 791-6377 --------------------------------------------------- " 8605,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >In article <1993Apr5.202800.27705@wam.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes: >|> In article ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA >|> (Ilyess Bdira) writes: >|> > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many >|> > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more >|> > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? >|> G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the >|> Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab >|> absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase >|> from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the >|> partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of >|> defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. >|> >|> *** >|> > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of >|> > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? >|> First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the >|> idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since, however, I agree with those who >|> claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West >|> bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >This is very funny. >Anyway, suppose that in fact israel didnot ATTACK jordan till jordan attacked >israel. Now, how do you explain the attack on Syria in 1967, Syria didnot >enter the war with israel till the 4th day . Syria had been bombing Israeli settlements from the Golan and sending terrorist squads into Israel for years. Do you need me to provide specifics? I can. Why don't you give it up, Hasan? I'm really starting to get tired of your empty lies. You can defend your position and ideology with documented facts and arguments rather than the crap you regularly post. Take an example from someone like Brendan McKay, with whom I don't agree, but who uses logic and documentation to argue his position. Why must you insist on constantly spouting baseless lies? You may piss some people off, but that's about it. You won't prove anything or add anything worthy to a discussion. Your arguments just prove what a poor debater you are and how weak your case really is. All my love, Ed. " 8606,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Keywords: The Detroit Red Wings - 6 ; The Toronto Maple Leafs - 3 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 19 In <1qvos8$r78@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: > The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs. All you Toronto fans have now seen the >power of the mighty Red Wing offense. Toronto's defense in no match for the >Wing offense. As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out Did they move Probert back to defense? Why did I see him parking his ass in front of Potvin all night? Somebody is going to have to discipline Probert if the Leafs want to win the series. Perhaps a fresh Clark should hit the ice at the end of a long Probert shift and straigten him out for a while... -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 8607,14,"From: will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Ryukoku Univ., Seta, Japan Lines: 12 In article <1pp6reINNonl@phantom.gatech.edu>, matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes: > > Greedy little oil companies? Don't blame them; oil companies just supply the > demand created by you, me, and just about everyone else on the planet. If we > run out, its all our faults. > Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it. Any comments? Will... " 8608,10,"From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) Subject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 27 In article , boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: > Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the > way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped > to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question > is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the > ABC coverage for its own? > > Here in Nanaimo (on Vancouver Island, for you furriners out there) we got the ABC coverage on KOMO. It probably depends on your cable company. I started off switching between the CBC and ABC broadcasts, but finally settled on ABC. I can't stand Don Whitman, and Al Michaels was doing a decent job. He followed the play pretty well, knew all the players' names, and only made a couple of ""rookie"" mistakes that I noticed. One thing that surprised me is that they never once attempted to explain the offside rule. Am-I-paranoid-or-is-this-really-happening department: There were no fights in the game, but there were a couple of occasions where it looked like a fight was about to start. Both times ABC cut away to show a closeup of a coach or McNall or something. Has ABC decided to adopt the ""Spicer policy?"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lorne Epp epp@mala.bc.ca " 8609,19,"From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: Re: O.T.O clarification Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 48 930420 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The word of Sin is Restriction. Kent (sandvik@newton.apple.com) writes: Sorry, the San Jose based Rosicrucian order is called A.M.O.R.C, I don't remember for the time being what the A.M. stand for but O.R.C is Ordo Rosae Crucis, in other words latin for Order of the Rose Cross. Response: Yes, very true. The entire title is 'The Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis'. They are located at 1342 Naglee Avenue, San Jose, California, 95191-0001, USA. They are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of sources. I've seen documentation which links them through the figure of H. Spencer Lewis. Lewis was apparently involved with Reuss, who was the O.H.O. of Ordo Templi Orientis for many years. Apparently it is also true that Lewis had a charter to form an O.T.O. body and then created A.M.O.R.C. (as a subsidiary? an interesting question). Kent: Otherwise their headquarters in San Jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore, if any of you are interested in such books. And my son loves to run around in their Egyptian museum. Response: Indeed, and diagonally across the street is another metaphysical book store called 'Ram Metaphysical', wherein I've purchased some wonderful works by Crowley and others. Ram Metaphysical Books, 1749 Park Ave., San Jose, CA. (408) 294-2651. Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will. I am I! Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) CCCXXXIII " 8610,18,"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: A Rational Viewpoint ---> was Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Lines: 27 In article <1qn57cINNabv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () writes: >It is very difficult for a young person to develop and build >a positive view of themself when they are constantly being >told implicitly and explicitly that they are wrong and >immoral. Yes, that is most certainly true. However, the paragrapgh reflects a value-less position and infers that what is more important than anything else is to have ""a positive view"" of one's self. This of course, is foolish. Should a mass murderer, a pedophile, a 10-year old pyromaniac have a ""positive view"" of themselves? Of course not. A person that engages in behaviour that a large number of people condemn, and IF you believe in the concept of ""society"", then your only choice is to expect that person to have a negative view of themselves. -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) " 8611,8,"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 38 In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: |In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> |> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for |>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church |>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just |>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I |>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely |>passenger? | |If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a |crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your |primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big |spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a |small one). Well, you can accomplish both goals, actually, if you have a definite physical type in mind when you go to these (cough) church meetings.. If your tastes tend to smaller, more petite (cough) churchgoers, it is more likely that they will have a smaller head, and you can safely get a medium or small helmet. This works for me, and I traded my spare large helmet with my best friend, who, at 6'9"", tends to look more for women that are over 6'0"", and can't usually fit into the medium size helmet he previously had... Of course, if you aren't picky what size (*cough*) churchgoers you give helpful motorcycle rides to, then Ed's advice will hopefully cover any eventuality as far as legality is concerned, and a spare handtowel in the tankbag makes acceptable padding so the passenger can see out of the viewport (rather than the padding above the viewport) in the cases of extreme mismatch. Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 ""But, this one goes to *eleven*..."" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_ " 8612,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: MS Windows VS Motif (GUI design differences), was Re: Future of Unix Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 46 Distribution: usa Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article , ik@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes: |> >>>>> ""aab"" == Andy Burgess writes: |> |> aab> In <1993Apr7.200950.16856@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: |> |> aab> |> |> >If you |> >look closely at Motif, you will see that it is just MS-Windows |> >with more eye-pleasing color and texture. The only real difference |> >is that an MS application window can ""contain"" other toplevel children, |> >while a Motif application window ""launches"" its children out onto the |> >desktop. |> |> aab> To those of you familiar with both GUIs, is this correct? My experience |> aab> with X makes me think that this MSW behavior is easily duplicated |> aab> with X11. But I don't know MSW... |> |> Another important difference is that MSW doesn't have any window that |> handle sophisticated geometry management (like XmForm). Also, I believe |> that in Windows 3.x you're limited to 64K of resources (windows, menus, |> icons, etc.). IMHO this whole discussion named ""Motif looks like MS-Windogs"" is totally stupid. The only thing remotely influenced here can be the Motif Window Manager, that features an arrangement of buttons and menus somewhat similiar to this of the MS-W windowmanaging agent, however its name is. But MWM is only a SMALL part of Motif, in fact, MWM and Motif can work without each other, and if one doesn't like MWMs outfit for some reason, he switches to another windowmanager. All this doesn't influence Motif, which is a toolkit of widgets to write applications, and this toolkit is IMHO uncomparable to MS-W, because it is much more wellorganized and features alot of goodies more than the MS-W interface. You cannot say ""A Porsche looks like a VW Käfer"" ONLY because they have the wheel and the gear at the same position. Motif and MS-W are complete different worlds, only one element of the Motif world has some gear and wheel at the same position as MS-W. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 8613,19,"From: ""David R. Sacco"" Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Misc. student, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 8 <1qh49m$mg9@kyle.eitech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1qh49m$mg9@kyle.eitech.com> After tons of mail, could we move this discussion to alt.religion? ============================================================= --There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. (Bob Dylan) --""If you were happy every day of your life you wouldn't be a human being, you'd be a game show host."" (taken from the movie ""Heathers."") --Lecture (LEK chur) - process by which the notes of the professor become the notes of the student without passing through the minds of either. " 8614,12,"From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: sun_shine.mentorg.com Organization: Mentor Graphics Keywords: Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr20.022922.11861@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.231050.2196@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) writes: |> |> >No restriction was placed |> >on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement |> >of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934. |> |> Isin't there some kind of rule (regulation, law, whatever) in some |> juristictions that prohibit the use of *police band* recievers |> in vehicles? And that radar transmissions are included in the police band |> so they get covered by the same regulation? What do you mean by ""police band"" - there is no such thing. Anyway, radar detectors work in shared bands. If you applied your test, all of those radar operated door openers in malls would be illegal. One of the great problems here is that there are too many ill-educated (read illiterate) people making too many laws about subjects on which they are incompetent - there may well be laws refereing to ""police bands"", they are almost certainly local in scope (state or county) - created by well-meaning, but incompetent idiots. Unfortunaltely, laws do not have to be sensible (or even enforceable). Lawmakers exist to pass laws - and will continue to do so, until the day where you are faced with death for not doing X, and amputation of all your limbs for doing X ... the choice will be yours. Note: no smiley. Philip " 8615,14,"From: swoithe@crackle.uucp (Stan Woithe) Subject: Re: Mars Observer Update - 04/14/93 Organization: University of Adelaide Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: crackle.itd.adelaide.edu.au Keywords: Mars Observer, JPL Hiya I'm a VERY amuture astronomer in Adelaide Australia, and today, I heard some very interesting and exciting news from a local program on TV. As I couldn't find anything on it on the news server, I have posted this. However, if it is old information, tell me, and ill sue the TV station for saying they are 'Up to date' ;-) (Also, my news server could be slow. . so . . .!!! I only caught the end of the article, so all the information on the topic is not known to me at the moment. The news is of a small 'psudo' planet outside the orbit of pluto found in a Hawiian obsevatory, supposably 'recently' - acording to the report. It was meant to be about 150miles in diamater, and a faily large distance from the plutos orbit. (it had a computer drawing, and the orbit distance from pluto was about the same as neptune to pluto when they are furthest apart. This is all I found out about it. OH it is called Karna. (un-officially ). CAn anyone give any more information to me on it??? Thanx. Brendan Woithe swoithe@crackle.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au BTW - if this is old news, does anyone know a good lawyer. . . .8) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8616,4,"Distribution: world From: Robert_N._Ward@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: Great deal! Lines: 10 For those of you who have TI ps35 laser printers, if you want an envelope feeder, they are now on sale, direct from TI for the unbelievable price of $45! Call 1-800-847-2787. Same for extra paper trays. They have too many gray ones and want to move them out. Strange but true. --The Bobmeister **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 8617,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: ""National repentance"" Reply-To: jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 29 Concerning Christians praying for coporate forgiveness of national sins, Michael Covington claims the following of C.S. Lewis: > C. S. Lewis made the same point in an essay after World War II, > when some Christian leaders in Britain were urging ""national repentance"" > for the horrors (sins???) of World War II. > -- > :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** > :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* > :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * > :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< I was surprised when I heard this same kind of remark from a fellow grad. student I know, especially since he had seminary training. I have read the same essay and do not find Lewis making any such claim. Rather, Lewis is condemning the use of such coporate prayer efforts as platforms to make political jabs at opponents, feigned as confessions of guilt (ie., Lord please forgive us for allowing ""insert political issue/idea/platform"" to exist in our country, it is wrong and we ask your forgiveness.). I would be interested in knowing what part of the essay you feel condemns national repentance (please quote). Jonathan Waugh Graduate Research Associate, Pulmonary Medicine Div. The Ohio State University SAMP, Rm 431, 1583 Perry St. Columbus, OH 43210 jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 8618,1,"Subject: Marching Cubs From: abild@bert.cs.byu.edu Distribution: world Organization: BYU Keywords: Cube,Program,C Nntp-Posting-Host: bigler-quadra.byu.edu Lines: 24 Hello, Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew of a PC or MAC implementation of the marching cubes algorithm that will output the individual faces. If there is no such application, might there be some C source code that I could modify to implement the algorithm and get to the individual faces. Thanks in advance Sincerly Tracy +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Tracy J. Abildskov | Phone: (801) 378-3407 | | | FAX: (801) 378-7862 | | Address : Brigham Young University | | | Department of Psychology | E-mail: abild@bert.cs.byu.edu | | Provo, UT 84602 | | | USA | | +------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ " 8619,14,"From: hdsteven@solitude.Stanford.EDU (H. D. Stevens) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: stanford Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr21.190156.7769@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: |> >Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? |> >What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other |> >than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? |> |> |> The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton |> is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D |> which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about |> launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which |> are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things |> up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile |> thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. |> Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know |> how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while |> bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track |> and erected on the pad? The Centaur that is being built for T4 would be a better bet to integrate onto the Proton as the T4/Centaur is designed for the Extremely Harsh envorinment of the T4 launch. It is also closer to 4 m in diameter. You've hit on the real kicker, however. The Centaur is pressure stabilized. It cannot hold up its own weight without pressure in the tanks. Additionally, the pressure difference between the two tanks must be maintained to ~+/- 5 psi. That is rather tight to be rocking and rolling on the train. The pressure stabilization is how centaur achieves the performance. On numerous occasions (when I was there 88-91) the AF wanted to see what it would take to make a non-pressure stabilized centaur. The answer -- a centaur not worth launching. The Atlas/Centaur does not require on-pad integration, however the T4/Centaur does. I believe the on-pad integration is to a great extent due to the cleanliness requirements and PFL configuration, so maybe something can be done there........ |> |> They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads |> (unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course |> any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the |> US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political |> problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention. The addition of LOX/LH facilities is critical as the centaur tops off as it lifts off. A LHe facility is also needed. I don't know what the proton uses for fuel, but since they are derived from ICBM's I would suspect that they use storable propellants which don't have the ullage problem that cryo's do. If there is no cryo at the sight at all, the addition of these systems could be big $$, not to mention the real tech transfer issues involved with providing centaur GSE to Russia. That issue alone might be enough to kill this idea. -- H.D. Stevens Stanford University Email:hdsteven@sun-valley.stanford.edu Aerospace Robotics Laboratory Phone: (415) 725-3293 (Lab) Durand Building (415) 722-3296 (Bullpen) Stanford, CA 94305 Fax: (415) 725-3377 " 8620,10,"From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) Subject: Too Many Europeans in NHL Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 50 Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: Canadians: 400 Americans: 100 Europeans: 100 Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top 25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other teams is getting worse as well. I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly only getting worse. I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. I just don't want them on mine. -- Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" ----------------- ""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai " 8621,15,"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: Question from an agnostic Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu Lines: 18 Hi Damon, No matter what system or explanation of creation you wish to accept, you always have to start with one of two premises, creation from nothing, or creation from something. There are no other alternatives. And if we accept one or the other of those two premises, then again there are two alternatives, either creation was random, or was according to some plan. If it was random, I am unable to accept that the complex nature of our world with interrelated interdependent organisms and creatures could exist as they do. Therefore I am left with creation under the control of an intelligence capable of devising such a scheme. I call that intelligence God. I also prefer the ""Creatio ex nihilo"" rather than from chaos, as it is cleaner. There is obviously no way to prove either or neither. We are and we must have come from somewhere. Choose whatever explanation you feel most comfortable with, Damon. You are the one who has to live with your choice. Shalom, Len Howard " 8622,8,"From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) Subject: More MOA stuff --- like the RA Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 17 OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept leadership. My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups? Just to stave off flames: I'm a (relatively new) member of both groups and besides a difference in the slickness of the magazines, it seems the major difference is that the RA guys seem to have more fun. . . Art -- Art Campbell artc@world.std.com 72227.1375@compuserve.com DoD 358 _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels. ""... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl."" -- Richard Thompson " 8623,11,"From: johng@ecs.comm.mot.com (John Gilbert) Subject: clipper chip --Bush did it Organization: Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Distribution: na Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching! Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.147.59 Lines: 10 In article wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes: >... This is the Democrats' version >""Defend Free Speech - Reject Republicans"" followed by speech control. This must have been in the works for some time. The Bush administration must have been working on it for quite a while. --Clinton simply took the credit (or blame, depending on how you look at it). -- John Gilbert johng@ecs.comm.mot.com " 8624,13,"From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Subject: Re: Endometriosis Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Distribution: world Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr16.032251.6606@rock.concert.net> naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter) writes: >can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard >it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names >... >--Naomi Endometriosis is where cells that would normally be lining the uteris exist outside the uteris. Sometimes this causes problems, often it doesn't. There is generally no need to remove pockets of endometriosis unless they are causing other problems. One lady I know had Endometriosis in an ovary. This caused her a _great_ deal of pain. Another lady I know has an endometrial cyst in her abdominal wall; she is not having it removed. The American Fertility Society has information on this and they probably maintain a list of physicians in all parts of the continent that deal with endometriosis. You can reach them at: The American Fertility Society 2140 11th Ave South Suite 200 Birmingham, Alabama 35205-2800 (205)933-8494 [J.F.] " 8625,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Re: RIM NEEDED Keywords: Either do it, or keep you opinions to yourself. Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 46 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu In article <1993Apr14.210922.20916@news.columbia.edu> twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes: >In article <13177@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)writes: >>In article <1993Apr13.122643.3180@walter.bellcore.com> pgoudas@gomer.bellcore.com (Paul Goudas) writes: >>> Also, is there a law or something that requires NYC to keep it's >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>street empty of potholes greater than a certain depth? I (rather my bike) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA WHAHwuhuhahuah!!!! >> >>That's a good one!! Really, stop! I can't breathe!! > > Bite your tongue. Those of us who ACTUALLY RIDE in NYC on a >daily basis could not live without those Potholes. It'll ruin the >flavor. It's not enough just to dodge taxis, buses, pedistrians, >bicycle messengers, and BDI's on a block by block basis. Those >potholes always makes for that sudden randomness that makes it all so >much fun. Besides, where else can you think of that allows you to >constantly test your panic braking, shocks, and dirt-riding abilities >all on city streets. You smooth asphalt canyon carvers don't know what >you're missing. > >8-)........ > I was laughing about the law part. I've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout... :^) Not that Durham, NC is any better... (well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but hey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and boy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT on, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs? ED? Got any idea?) -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 8626,5,"From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde) Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes: : : |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); |> XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); |> |> Then to draw I do: |> |> XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); |> XFlush( myDisplay); |> |> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: |> |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); |> |> |> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of |> whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If |> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are |> over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor |> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and |> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). |> |> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? |> |> david Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it back to GXxor)... Kurt. " 8627,15,"From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 66 norris@athena.mit.edu writes: > This is certainly a valid objection to religion-as-explanation-of- > nature. > Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of > questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For > example: why does the universe exist at all? Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" > After all, the time-space > world didn't have to exist. Why does *anything* exist? And: is it > possible for persons (e.g. man) to come into being out of a purely > impersonal cosmos? These questions which look at the real mysteries of > life -- the creation of the world and of persons -- provide a permanent > indicator that the meaning of life in the material world can only be > found *outside* that world, in its Source. It may be that one day man not only can create life but can also create man. Now, I don't see this happening in my lifetime, nor do I assert it is probable. But the possibility is there, given scientists are working hard at ""decoding"" out ""genetic code"" to perhaps help cure disease of a genetic variation. Again, though, must there be ""why"" or a ""divine prupose"" to man's existence? > When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are > presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one > the requires a kind of ""faith"" too. By taking such a hard line in > your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. As far as we can tell, man falls into the ""mammal"" catagory. Now, if there were something more to the man (say, a soul), then we have yet to find evidence of such. But as it is now, man is a mammal (babies are born live, mother gives milk, we're warm-blooded, etc.) as other mammals are and is similar in genetic construction to some of them (in particular, primates). For more on this check out talk.origins. > But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope > you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by > reading Paul Johnson's ""A History of Christianity"". From your remarks, > it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian > religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in > Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and > be animated by some enduring values. Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, thus all must be true... Stephen _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz... -- " 8628,0,"From: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Organization: University of Bradford, UK Lines: 54 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Umar Khan (khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil) wrote: >I strongly suggest that you look up a book called THE BIBLE, THE QURAN, AND >SCIENCE by Maurice Baucaille, a French surgeon. It is not comprehensive, > He was unable >to find a wealth of scientific statements in the Holy Qur'an, but, >what he did find made sense with modern understanding. So, he >investigated the Traditions (the hadith) to see what they had to >say about science. they were filled with science problems; after >all, they were contemporary narratives from a time which had, by >pour standards, a primitive world view. His conclusion was that, >while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to >say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the >Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in >the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known >what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored >it)? This book is worth a read to get a sensible view of this issue. The book is in two sections. Section 1 contains a fairly reasonable analysis of the Bible, showing many inconsistencies between the Bible and modern science. Well we all know that, no surprises. Section 2 analyses the Koran's version of the Old Testament stories, and seems, on the face of it, to present a good case showing the Koran is consistent with modern science. However, it was plain to me, that this consistency was only possible by the vague phraseology of the Koran. Take the flood, for example, the bible is full of detail, (""forty days and forty nights"", ""pair of every animal"", etc.), we all know this is nonsense. The Koran's description of the same event is so obscure as to make possible an interpretation such as ""A big river flooded for a few days and caused much damage"". Yes, no contradiction but also not much fact. The Koran might be consistent with modern science, but being consistent due to its vagueness compared with other books of that time, does not seem much of an achievement. The book concludes by saying something like, the Koran must have had divine inspiration because at the time it was written there were a lot of (to us now) ridiculous ideas about the universe, and none of them can be found in the Koran! Arguing for the greatness of a book by talking about what it does not contain seems absurd in the extreme. The above is, of course, from memory so I may have missed some points. -- Leonard e-mail: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk " 8629,1,"From: cb@wixer.bga.com (Cyberspace Buddha) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Organization: Real/Time Communications Lines: 15 renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its >""current directory"". I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. just my $0.13, cb -- Cyberspace Buddha { Why are you looking for more knowledge when you } /(o\ cb@wixer.bga.com \ do not pay attention to what you already know? / \o)/ cb@wixer.cactus.org } ""get out of my chair!"" -- Hillary to god { peace... " 8630,1,"From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 1/3] Lines: 1566 Reply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis) Organization: National Technical Univ. of Athens Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part1 Last-modified: 1993/04/17 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 1/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 17 April 1993 Many FAQs, including this Listing, are available on the archive site pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as graphics/resources-list/part[1-3] There's a mail server on that machine. You send a e-mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing the keyword ""help"" (without quotes!) in the message body. You can see in many other places for this Listing. See the item: 0. Places to find the Resource Listing for more information. Items Changed: -------------- RE-ARRANGED the subjects, in order to fir better in the 63K/article limit. I PLAN ON CHANGING HEADERS SOON, SO BE CAREFUL! ONLY THE ""Resource Listing"" keys are sure to remain in the Subject: line! 0. Places to find the Resource Listing 6. 3D graphics editors a. Public domain, free and shareware systems 9. Plotting packages 18. Molecular visualization stuff [ I'm thinking of making this post bi-weekly. What do you think??? ] -------------- Lines which got changed, have the `#' character in front of them. Added lines are prepended with a `+' Removed lines are just removed. Use 'diff' to locate these changes. ======================================================================== This text is (C)Copyright 1992, 1993 of Nikolaos C. Fotis. You can copy freely this file, provided you keep this copyright notice intact. Compiled by Nikolaos (Nick) C. Fotis, e-mail: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Please contact me for updates,corrections, etc. Disclaimer: I do not guarantee the accuracy of this document. Use it at your own risk. ======================================================================== This is mainly a guide for computer graphics software. I would suggest reading the Comp. Graphics FAQ for image analysis stuff. It's entitled: (date) comp.graphics Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) John T. Grieggs is the poster of the official comp.graphics FAQ I have included my comments within braces '[' and ']'. Nikolaos Fotis ======================================================================== Contents of the Resource Listing ================================ PART1: ------ 0. Places to find the Resource Listing 1. ARCHIE 2. Notes 3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines 4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes 5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists. 6. 3D graphics editors a. Public domain, free and shareware systems b. Commercial systems 7. Scene description languages 8. Solids description formats PART2: ------ 9. Plotting packages 10. Image analysis software - Image processing and display PART3: ------ 11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files 12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data. 13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles 14. Introduction to rendering algorithms a. Ray tracing b. Z-buffer (depth-buffer) c. Others 15. Where can I find the geometric data for the: a. Teapot ? b. Space Shuttle ? 16. Image annotation software 17. Scientific visualization stuff 18. Molecular visualization stuff 19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software) Future additions: [Please send me updates/info!] ======================================================================== 0. Places to find the Resource Listing ====================================== #This file is crossposted to comp.graphics, comp.answers and news.answers, so if you can't locate it in comp.graphics, you're advised to search in #comp.answers or news.answers (The latter groups usually are archived in your site. Contact your sysadmin for more info). These 3 articles are posted to comp.graphics 3-4 times a month and are kept in many places (see below) -- Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as graphics/resources-list/part[1-3] There's a mail server on that machine. You send a e-mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing: help in the Subject: field -- The inria-graphlib mail server mirrors this posting (see under the Subject 4: Mail servers ) -- The Resource Listing is accesible through WAIS in the machine enuxva.eas.asu.edu (port 8000) under the name graphics-resources-list. It's got a digest-type line before every numbered item for purposes of indexing. -- Another place that monitors the Listing is the MaasInfo files. For more info contact Robert E. Maas -- Yet another place to search for FAQs in general is the SWITCH (Swiss Academic and Research Network) system in Switzerland: interactive: telnet nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40], login as ""info"". Move to the info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings directory. Search in the 00index file by typing ""/"" and the word to look for. You may then just read the FAQ in the ""faqs"" directory, or decide to fetch it by one of the following methods. ftp: login to nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40] as user anonymous and enter your internet-style address after being prompted for a password. cd info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings mail: send e-mail to RFC-822: archive-server@nic.switch.ch X.400: /S=archive-server/OU=nic/O=switch/PRMD=switch/ADMD=arcom/C=ch/ Enter 'help' in the bodypart to receive instructions. No information is required in the subject header line. 1. ARCHIE ========= The Archie is a service system to locate FTP places for requested files. It's appreciated that you will use Archie before asking help in the newsgroups. Archie servers: archie.au or 139.130.4.6 (Aussie/NZ) archie.funet.fi or 128.214.6.100 (Finland/Eur.) archie.th-darmstadt.de or 130.83.128.111 (GER.) cs.huji.ac.il or 132.65.6.5 (Israel) archie.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp or 130.54.20.1 (JAPAN) archie.sogang.ac.kr or 163.239.1.11 (Korea) archie.ncu.edu.tw or telnet 140.115.19.24 (TWN) archie.doc.ic.ac.uk or 146.169.3.7 (UK/Ireland) archie.sura.net or 128.167.254.179 (USA [MD]) archie.unl.edu (password: archie1) (USA [NE]) archie.ans.net or 147.225.1.2 (USA [NY]) archie.rutgers.edu or 128.6.18.15 (USA [NJ]) archie.nz or 130.195.9.4 (New Zealand) Connect to Archie server with telnet and type ""archie"" as username. To get help type 'help'. You can get 'xarchie' or 'archie', which are clients that call Archie without the burden of a telnet session. 'Xarchie' is on the X11.R5 contrib tape, and 'archie' on comp.sources.misc, vol. 27. To get information on how to use Archie via e-mail, send mail with subject ""help"" to ""archie"" account at any of above sites. (Note to Janet/PSS users -- the United Kingdom archie site is accessible on the Janet host doc.ic.ac.uk [000005102000]. Connect to it and specify ""archie"" as the host name and ""archie"" as the username.) ========================================================================== 2. Notes ======== (Excerpted from the FAQ article) Please do *not* post or mail messages saying ""I can't FTP, could someone mail this to me?"" There are a number of automated mail servers that will send you things like this in response to a message. There are a number of sites that archive the Usenet sources newsgroups and make them available via an email query system. You send a message to an automated server saying something like ""send comp.sources.unix/fbm"", and a few hours or days later you get the file in the mail. ========================================================================== 3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines ================================================== Computer graphics related FTP sites (and maintainers), 26/03/93 compiled by Eric Haines, erich@eye.com and Nick Fotis, nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Ray-tracers: ------------ RayShade - a great ray tracer for workstations on up, also for PC, Mac & Amiga. PoV - son and successor to DKB trace, written by Compuservers. (For more questions call Drew Wells -- 73767.1244@compuserve.com or Dave Buck -- david_buck@carleton.ca) ART - ray tracer with a good range of surface types, part of VORT package. DKBtrace - another good ray tracer, from all reports; PCs, Mac II, Amiga, UNIX, VMS (last two with X11 previewer), etc. RTrace - Portugese ray tracer, does bicubic patches, CSG, 3D text, etc. etc. An MS-DOS version for use with DJGPP DOS extender (GO32) exists also, as a Mac port. VIVID2 - A shareware raytracer for PCs - binary only (286/287). Author: Stephen Coy (coy@ssc-vax.boeing.com). The 386/387 (no source) version is available to registered users (US$50) direct from the author. RAY4 - Steve Hollasch's 4-dimensional ray tracer - renders hyperspheres, hypertetrahedra, hyperplanes, and hyperparallelepipeds (there's a separate real-time wireframe viewer written in GL called WIRE4 ) . MTV,QRT,DBW - yet more ray tracers, some with interesting features. Distributed/Parallel Raytracers: -------------------------------- XDART - A distributed ray-tracer that runs under X11. There are server binaries which work only on DECstations, SPARCs, HP Snakes (7x0 series) and NeXT. The clients are distributed as binaries and C source. Inetray - A network version of Rayshade 4.0. Needs Sun RPC 4.0 or newer. Contact Andreas Thurnherr (ant@ips.id.ethz.ch) prt, VM_pRAY - parallel ray tracers. Volume renderers: ----------------- VREND - Cornell's Volume Renderer, from Kartch/Devine/Caffey/Warren (FORTRAN). Radiosity (and diffuse lighting) renderers: ------------------------------------------- Radiance - a ray tracer w/radiosity effects, by Greg Ward. Excellent shading models and physically based lighting simulation. Unix/X based, though has been ported to the Amiga and the PC (386). INDIA - An Indian radiosity package based on Radiance. SGI_RAD - An interactive radiosity package that runs on SGI machines with a Spaceball. It includes a house database. Author: Guy Moreillon RAD - a simple public-domain radiosity package in C. The solution can be run stand-alone on any Unix box, but the walk-through requires a SGI 4D. Author: Bernard Kwok Renderers which are not raytracers, and graphics libraries: ----------------------------------------------------------- SIPP - Scan line z-buffer and Phong shading renderer. Now uses the shadow buffer algorithm. Tcl-SIPP - a Tcl command interface to the SIPP rendering program. Tcl-SIPP is a set of Tcl commands used to programmed SIPP without having to write and compile C code. Commands are used to specify surfaces, objects, scenes and rendering options. It renders either in PPM format or in Utah Raster Toolkit RLE format or to the photo widget in the Tk-based X11 applications. VOGLE - graphics learning environment (device portable). VOGL - an SGI GL-like library based on VOGLE. REND386 - A *fast* polygon renderer for Intel 386s and up. Version 2 on up. [ It's not photorealistic, but rather a real-time renderer] XSHARP21 - Dr. Dobb's Journal PC renderer source code, with budget texture mapping. Modellers, wireframe viewers: ----------------------------- VISION-3D - Mac modeler, can output Radiance & Rayshade files. IRIT - A CSG solid modeler, with support for freeform surfaces. X3D - A wireframe viewer for X11. 3DV - 3-D wireframe graphics toolkit, with C source, 3dv objects, other stuff Look at major PC archives like wuarchive. One such file is 3DKIT1.ZIP PV3D - a shareware front end modeler for POVRAY, still in beta test. French docs for now, price for registering 250 French Francs. Save disabled. Some extra utilities, DXF files for the registered version. Geometric viewers: ------------------ SALEM - A GL-based package from Dobkin et al. for exploring mathematical structures. GEOMVIEW - A GL-based package for looking and interactively manipulating 3D objects, from Geometry Center at Minnesota. XYZ GeoBench -(eXperimental geometrY Zurich) is a workbench for geometric computation for Macintosh computers. WIRE4 - GL wireframe previewer for Steve Hollasch's RAY4 (see above) Data Formats and Data Sets for Ray Tracing: ------------------------------------------- SPD - a set of procedural databases for testing ray tracers. NFF - simplistic file format used by SPD. OFF - another file format. P3D - a lispy file format. TDDD - Imagine (3D modeler) format, has converters for RayShade, NFF, OFF, etc. Also includes a nice postscript object displayer. Some GREAT models. TTDDDLIB - converts to/from TDDD/TTDDD, OFF, NFF, Rayshade 4.0, Imagine, and vort 3d objects. Also outputs Framemaker MIF files and isometric views in Postscript. Registered users get a TeX PK font converter and a superquadric surfaces generator. Glenn Lewis [Note : TTDDDLIB is also known as T3DLIB] CHVRTD - Chapel Hill Volume Rendering Test Datasets, includes volume sets for two heads, a brain, a knee, electron density maps for RNA and others. Written Material on Rendering: ------------------------------ RT News - collections of articles on ray tracing. RT bib - references to articles on ray tracing in ""refer"" format. Rad bib - references to articles on radiosity (global illumination). Speer RT bib - Rick Speer's cross-referenced RT bib, in postscript. RT abstracts - collection by Tom Wilson of abstracts of many RT articles. Paper bank project - various technical papers in electronic form. Contact Juhana Kouhia Online Bibliography Project : The ACM SIGGRAPH Online Bibliography Project is a database of over 15,000 unique computer graphics and computational geometry references in BibTeX format, available to the computer graphics community as a research and educational resource. The database is located at ""siggraph.org"". Users may download the BibTeX files via FTP and peruse them offline, or telnet to ""siggraph.org"" and log in as ""biblio"" and interactively search the database for entries of interest, by keyword. For the people without Internet access, there's also an e-mail server. Send mail to archive-server@siggraph.org and in the subject or the body of the message include the message send followed by the topic and subtopic you wish. A good place to start is with the command send index which will give you an up-to-date list of available information. Additions/corrections/suggestions may be directed to the admin, ""bibadmin@siggraph.org"". Image Manipulation Libraries: ----------------------------- Utah Raster Toolkit - nice image manipulation tools. PBMPLUS - a great package for image conversion and manipulation. LIBTIFF - library for reading/writing TIFF images. ImageMagick - X11 package for display and interactive manipulation of images. Uses its own format (MIFF), and includes some converters. xv - X-based image display, manipulation, and format converter. xloadimage, xli - displays various formats on an X11 screen. Khoros - a huge, excellent system for image processing, with a visual programming interface and much much more. Uses X windows. FBM - another set of image manipulation tools, somewhat old now. Img - image manipulation, displays on X11 screen, a bit old now. xflick - Plays .FLI animation under X11 XAnim - plays any resolution FLI along with GIF's(including GIF89a animation extensions), DL's and Amiga IFF animations(3,5,J,l) and IFF pictures(including HAM,EHB and color cycling) SDSC - SDSC Image Tools package (San Diego Supercomputing Center) for image manipulation and conversion CLRpaint - A 24-bit paint program for SGI 24bit workstations and 8bit Indigos. Libraries with code for graphics: --------------------------------- Graphics Gems I,II,III - code from the ever so useful books. spline-patch.tar.Z - spline patch ray intersection routines by Sean Graves kaleido - Computation and 3D Display of Uniform Polyhedra. Mirrored in wuarchive. This package computes (and displays) the metrical properties of 75 polyhedra. Author: Dr. Zvi Har'El, e-mail: rl@gauss.technion.ac.il (*) means site is an ""official"" distributor, so is most up to date. NORTH AMERICA (please look for things on your own continent first...): ------------- wuarchive.wustl.edu [128.252.135.4]: /graphics/graphics - get CONTENTS file for a roadmap. /graphics/graphics/objects/TDDD - *the TTDDD objects and converters*, /mirrors/unix-c/graphics - Rayshade ray tracer, MTV ray tracer, Vort ray tracer, FBM, PBMPLUS, popi, Utah raster toolkit. /mirrors/msdos/graphics - DKB ray tracer, FLI RayTracker demos. /pub/rad.tar.Z - *SGI_RAD*, /graphics/graphics/radiosity - Radiance and Indian radiosity package. /msdos/ddjmag/ddj9209.zip - version 21 of Xsharp, with fast texture mapping. There's lots more, including bibs, Graphics Gems I & II code, OFF, RTN, Radiance, NFF, SIPP, spline patch intersection routines, textbook errata, source code from Roy Hall's book ""Illumination and Color in Computer Generated Imagery"", etc graphics/graphics/packages/kaleido - *kaleido* George Kyriazis princeton.edu [128.112.128.1]: /pub/Graphics (note capital ""G"") - *Rayshade 4.0 ray tracer (and separate 387 executable)*, *color quantization code*, *SPD*, *RT News*, *Wilson's RT abstracts*, ""RT bib*, *Utah Raster Toolkit*, newer FBM, *Graphics Gems I, II & III code*. /pub/graphics directory - *SALEM* and other stuff. Craig Kolb [replaces weedeater.math.yale.edu - note the capital ""G"" in pub/Graphics] Because there's a trouble with princeton's incoming area, you can upload Rayshade-specific stuff to weedeater.math.yale.edu [128.36.23.17] alfred.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.1]: /pub/dkbtrace - *DKB ray tracer*, /pub/pov-ray/POV-Ray1.0 - *PVRay Compuserve group ray tracer (or PoV)*. David Buck avalon.chinalake.navy.mil [129.131.31.11]: 3D objects (multiple formats), utilities, file format documents. This site was created to be a 3D object ""repository"" for the net. Francisco X DeJesus omicron.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.159]: pub/softlab/CHVRTD - Chapel Hill Volume Rendering Test Datasets. ftp.mv.com [192.80.84.1]: - Official DDJ FTP repository. *XSHARP* peipa.essex.ac.uk [155.245.115.161]: the Pilot European Image Processing Archive; in a directory ipa/synth or something like that, there are image synthesis packages. Adrian Clarke barkley.berkeley.edu [128.32.142.237] : tcl/extensions/tsipp3.0b.tar.Z - *Tcl-SIPP* Mark Diekhans acs.cps.msu.edu [35.8.56.90]: pub/sass - *X window fonts converter into Rayshade 3.0 polygons*, Rayshade animation tool(s). Ron Sass hobbes.lbl.gov [128.3.12.38]: *Radiance* ray trace/radiosity package. Greg Ward geom.umn.edu [128.101.25.31] : pub/geomview - *GEOMVIEW* Contact (for GEOMVIEW): software@geom.umn.edu ftp.arc.umn.edu [137.66.130.11] : pub/gvl.tar.Z - the latest version of Bob, Icol and Raz. Source, a manual, man pages, and binaries for IRIX 4.0.5 are included (Bob is a real time volume renderer) pub/ contains also many volume datasets. Ken Chin-Purcell ftp.kpc.com [144.52.120.9] : /pub/graphics/holl91 - Steve Hollasch's Thesis, /pub/graphics/ray4 - *RAY4*, /pub/graphics/wire4 - *WIRE4*. /pub/mirror/avalon - mirror of avalon's 3D objects repository. Steve Hollasch swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] : programs/hollasch-4d - RAY4, SGI Explorer modules and Postscript manual, etc. zamenhof.cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.75] : pub/graphics.formats - Various electronic documents about many object and image formats. Mark Hall will apparently no longer be maintaining it, see ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. rascal.ics.utexas.edu [128.83.144.1]: /misc/mac/inqueue - VISION-3D facet based modeller, can output RayShade and Radiance files. ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50] : misc/file.formats/graphics.formats - contains various image- and object-format descriptions. Many SciVi tools in various directories, e.g. SGI/Alpha-shape/Alvis-1.0.tar.Z - 3D alpha-shape visualizer (SGI machines only), SGI/Polyview3.0/polyview.Z - interactive visualization and analysis of 3D geometrical structures. Quincey Koziol tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1] : /iraf - the IRAF astronomy package ftp.ipl.rpi.edu [128.113.14.50]: sigma/erich - SPD images and Haines thesis images. pub/images - various 24 and 8 bit image stills and sequences. Kevin Martin ftp.psc.edu [128.182.66.148]: pub/p3d - p3d_2_0.tar P3D lispy scene language & renderers. Joel Welling ftp.ee.lbl.gov [128.3.254.68]: *pbmplus.tar.Z*, RayShade data files. Jef Poskanzer george.lbl.gov [128.3.196.93]: pub/ccs-lib/ccs.tar.Z - *CCS (Complex Conversion System), a standard software interface for image processing* hanauma.stanford.edu [36.51.0.16]: /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics - best of comp.graphics (very extensive), ray-tracers - DBW, MTV, QRT, and more. Joe Dellinger ftp.uu.net [192.48.96.2]: /graphics - *IRIT*, RT News back issues (not complete), NURBS models, other graphics related material. /graphics/jpeg/jpegsrc.v?.tar.Z - Independent JPEG Group package for reading and writing JPEG files. freebie.engin.umich.edu [141.212.68.23]: *Utah Raster Toolkit*, Spencer Thomas export.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.0.12] : /contrib - pbmplus, Image Magick, xloadimage, xli, xv, Img, lots more. /pub/R5untarred/mit/demos/gpc - NCGA Graphics Performance Characterization (GPC) Suite. life.pawl.rpi.edu [128.113.10.2]: /pub/ray - *Kyriazis stochastic Ray Tracer*. George Kyriazis cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]: /pub - Utah raster toolkit, *NURBS databases*. Jamie Painter gatekeeper.dec.com [16.1.0.2]: /pub/DEC/off.tar.Z - *OFF models*, Also GPC Benchmark files (planned, but not checked). Randi Rost hubcap.clemson.edu [130.127.8.1]: /pub/amiga/incoming/imagine - stuff for the Amiga Imagine & Turbo Silver ray tracers. /pub/amiga/TTDDDLIB - *TTDDDLIB* /pub/amiga/incoming/imagine/objects - MANY objects. Glenn Lewis pprg.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.10]: /pub/khoros - *Khoros image processing package (huge, but great)*. Danielle Argiro expo.lcs.mit.edu [18.30.0.212]: contrib - *PBMPLUS portable bitmap package*, *poskbitmaptars bitmap collection*, *Raveling Img*, xloadimage. Jef Poskanzer venera.isi.edu [128.9.0.32]: */pub/Img.tar.z and img.tar.z - some image manipulation*, /pub/images - RGB separation photos. Paul Raveling ucsd.edu [128.54.16.1]: /graphics - utah rle toolkit, pbmplus, fbm, databases, MTV, DBW and other ray tracers, world map, other stuff. Not updated much recently. castlab.engr.wisc.edu [128.104.52.10]: /pub/x3d.2.2.tar.Z - *X3D* /pub/xdart.1.1.* - *XDART* Mark Spychalla sgi.com [192.48.153.1]: /graphics/tiff - TIFF 6.0 spec & *LIBTIFF* software and pics. Also much SGI- and GL-related stuff (e.g. OpenGL manuals) Sam Leffler [supercedes okeeffe.berkeley.edu for the LIBTIFF stuff] surya.waterloo.edu [129.97.129.72]: /graphics - FBM, ray tracers ftp.sdsc.edu [132.249.20.22]: /sdscpub - *SDSC* ftp.brl.mil [128.63.16.158]: /brl-cad - information on how to get the BRL CAD package & ray tracer. /images - various test images. A texture library has also begun here. Lee A. Butler cicero.cs.umass.edu [128.119.40.189]: /texture_temp - 512x512 grayscale Brodatz textures, from Julien Flack . karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.7.6]: pub/Graphics/rtabs.shar.12.90.Z - *Wilson's RT abstracts*, VM_pRAY. J. Eric Townsend ftp.pitt.edu [130.49.253.1]: /users/qralston/images - 24 bit image archive (small). James Ralston Crawford ftp.tc.cornell.edu [128.84.201.1]: /pub/vis - *VREND* sunee.waterloo.edu [129.97.50.50]: /pub/raytracers - vivid, *REND386* [or sunee.uwaterloo.ca] archive.umich.edu [141.211.164.153]: /msdos/graphics - PC graphics stuff. /msdos/graphics/raytrace - VIVID2. apple.apple.com [130.43.2.2?]: /pub/ArchiveVol2/prt. research.att.com [192.20.225.2]: /netlib/graphics - *SPD package*, ~/polyhedra - *polyhedra databases*. (If you don't have FTP, use the netlib automatic mail replier: UUCP - research!netlib, Internet - netlib@ornl.gov. Send one line message ""send index"" for more info, ""send haines from graphics"" to get the SPD) siggraph.org [128.248.245.250]: SIGGRAPH archive site. publications - *Online Bibliography Project*, Conference proceedings in various electronic formats (papers, panels), SIGGRAPH Video Review information and order forms. Other stuff in various directories. Automatic mailer is archive-server@siggraph.org (""send index""). ftp.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159]: pub/reaction_diffusion - Greg Turk's work on reaction-diffusion textures, X windows code (SIGGRAPH '91) avs.ncsc.org [128.109.178.23]: ~ftp/VolVis92 - Volume datasets from the Boston Workshop on Volume Visualization '92. This site is also the International AVS Center. Terry Myerson uvacs.cs.virginia.edu [128.143.8.100]: pub/suit/demo/{sparc,dec,etc} - SUIT (Simple User Interface Toolkit). ""finger suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu"" to get detailed instructions. nexus.yorku.ca [130.63.9.66]: /pub/reports/Radiosity_code.tar.Z - *RAD* /pub/reports/Radiosity_thesis.ps.Z - *RAD MSc. Thesis* [This site will be changed to ftp.yorku.ca in the near future] milton.u.washington.edu [128.95.136.1] - ~ftp/public/veos - VEOS Virtual Reality and distributed applications prototyping environment for Unix. Veos Software Support : veos-support@hitl.washington.edu oldpublic/fly - FLY! 3D Visualization Software demo. That package is built for ""fly-throughs"" from various datasets in near real-time. There are binaries for many platforms. Also, much other Virtual Reality stuff. zug.csmil.umich.edu [141.211.184.2]: X-Xpecs 3D files (an LCD glass shutter for Amiga computers - great for VR stuff!) sugrfx.acs.syr.edu [128.230.24.1]: Various stereo-pair images. [ Has closed down :-( ] sunsite.unc.edu [152.2.22.81]: /pub/academic/computer-science/virtual-reality - Final copy of the sugrfx.acs.syr.edu archive that ceased to exist. It contains Powerglove code, VR papers, 3D images and IRC research material. Jonathan Magid archive.cis.ohio-state.edu [128.146.8.52]: pub/siggraph92 - Code for Siggraph '92 Course 23 (Procedural Modeling and Rendering Techniques) Dr. David S. Ebert lyapunov.ucsd.edu [132.239.86.10]: This machine is considered the repository for preprints and programs for nonlinear dynamics, signal processing, and related subjects (and fractals, of course!) Matt Kennel cod.nosc.mil [128.49.16.5]: /pub/grid.{ps,tex,ascii} - a short survey of methods to interpolate and contour bivariate data ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.1]: /honig --- Various stereo-pair images, movie.c - animates a movie on an X display (8-bit and mono) with digital subtraction. taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil [131.120.1.13]: pub/dabro/cyberware_demo.tar.Z - Human head data pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217]: pub/texture_maps - Hans du Buf's grayscale test textures (aerial swatches, Brodatz textures, synthetic swatches). Space & planetary image repository. Provides access to >150 CD-ROMS with data/images (3 on-line at a time). pub/info/beginner-info - here you should start browsing. Colby Kraybill . cs.brown.edu [128.148.33.66] : *SRGP/SPHIGS* . For more info on SRGP/SPHIGS: mail -s 'software-distribution' graphtext@cs.brown.edu pdb.pdb.bnl.gov [130.199.144.1] has data about various organic molecules, bonds between the different atoms, etc. Atomic coordinates (and a load of other stuff) are contained in the ""*.ent"" files, but the actual atomic dimemsions seem to be missing. You could convert these data to PoV, rayshade, etc. biome.bio.ns.ca [142.2.20.2] : /pub/art - some Renoir paintings, Escher's pictures, etc. ic16.ee.umanitoba.ca [] : /specmark - sample set of images from the `Images from the Edge' CD-ROM (images of atomic landscapes, advanced semiconductors, superconductors and experimental surface chemistry among others). Contact ruskin@ee.umanitoba.ca explorer.dgp.toronto.edu [128.100.1.129] : pub/sgi/clrpaint - *CLRpaint* pub/sgi/clrview.* - CLRview, a tool that aids in visualization of GIS datasets in may formats like DXF, DEM, Arc/Info, etc. ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM - images from Magellan and Viking missions etc. Get pub/SPACE/Index first. pub/SPACELINK has most of the SpaceLink service data (see below) e-mail server available: send mail to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server) with subject:""help"" or ""send SPACE Index"" (without the quotes!) Peter Yee pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.6.2]: images, other data, etc. from JPL missions. Modem access at (818)-354-1333 (no parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit). newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov or phone (818)-354-7170 spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov [128.158.13.250] (passwd:guest) : space graphics and GIF images from NASA's planetary probes and the Hubble Telescope. Main function is support for teachers (you can telnet also to this site). Dial up access: (205)-895-0028 (300/1200/2400/9600(V.32) baud, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit). stsci.edu [130.167.1.2] : Hubble Space Telescope stuff (images and other data). Read the README first! Pete Reppert or Chris O'Dea pit-manager.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]: /pub/usenet/news.answers - the land of FAQs. graphics and pictures directories of particular interest. [Also available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu by sending a mail message containing: help] UUCP archive: avatar - RT News back issues. For details, write Kory Hamzeh EUROPE: ------- nic.funet.fi [128.214.6.100]: *pub/sci/papers - *Paper bank project, including Pete Shirley's entire thesis (with pics)*, *Wilson's RT abstracts*, pub/misc/CIA_WorldMap - CIA world data bank, comp.graphics.research archive, *India*, and much, much more. Juhana Kouhia dasun2.epfl.ch [128.178.62.2]: Radiance. Good for European sites, but doesn't carry the add-ons that are available for Radiance. isy.liu.se [130.236.1.3]: pub/sipp/sipp-3.0.tar.Z - *SIPP* scan line z-buffer and Phong shading renderer. Jonas Yngvesson irisa.fr [131.254.2.3]: */iPSC2/VM_pRAY ray tracer*, SPD, /NFF - many non-SPD NFF format scenes, RayShade data files. Didier Badouel [may have disappeared] phoenix.oulu.fi [130.231.240.17]: *FLI RayTracker animation files (PC VGA) - also big .FLIs (640*480)* *RayScene demos* [Americans: check wuarchive first]. More animations to come. Jari Kahkonen jyu.fi [128.214.7.5]: /pub/graphics/ray-traces - many ray tracers, including VM_pRAY, DBW, DKB, MTV, QRT, RayShade, some RT News, NFF files. Jari Toivanen garbo.uwasa.fi [128.214.87.1]: Much PC stuff, etc., /pc/source/contour.f - FORTRAN program to contour scattered data using linear triangle-based interpolation asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17]: pub/RTrace - *RTrace* nffutils.tar.Z (NFF utilities for RTrace), medical data (CAT, etc.) converters to NFF, Autocad to NFF Autolisp code, AUTOCAD 11 to SCN (RTrace's language) converter and other goodies. Antonio Costa (acc@asterix.inescn.pt) vega.hut.fi [128.214.3.82]: /graphics - RTN archive, ray tracers (MTV, QRT, others), NFF, some models. [ It was shut down months ago , check under nic.funet.fi -- nfotis ] sun4nl.nluug.nl [192.16.202.2]: /pub/graphics/raytrace - DBW.microray, MTV, etc unix.hensa.ac.uk [] : misc/unix/ralcgm/ralcgm.tar.Z - CGM viewer and converter. There's an e-mail server also - mail to archive@unix.hensa.ac.uk with the message body ""send misc/unix/ralcgm/ralcgm.tar.Z"" maeglin.mt.luth.se [130.240.0.25]: graphics/raytracing - prt, others, ~/Doc - *Wilson's RT abstracts*, Vivid. ftp.fu-berlin.de [130.20.225.2]: /pub/unix/graphics/rayshade4.0/inputs - aq.tar.Z is RayShade aquarium [Americans: check princeton.edu first). Heiko Schlichting maggia.ethz.ch [129.132.17.1]: pub/inetray - *Inetray* and Sun RPC 4.0 code Andreas Thurnherr osgiliath.id.dth.dk [129.142.65.24]: /pub/amiga/graphics/Radiance - *Amiga port of Radiance 2.0*. Per Bojsen ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.1.9] : *PoV raytracer* Mirrored in wuarchive, has many goods for PoV. pub/dkbtrace/incoming/polyray - Polyray raytracer pub/dkbtrace/incoming/pv3d* - *PV3D* ftp.uni-kl.de [131.246.9.95]: /pub/amiga/raytracing/imagine - mirror of the hubcap Imagine files. neptune.inf.ethz.ch [129.132.101.33]: XYZ - *XYZ GeoBench* Peter Schorn iamsun.unibe.ch [130.92.64.10]: /Graphics/graphtal* - a L-system interpreter. Christoph Streit amiga.physik.unizh.ch [130.60.80.80]: /amiga/gfx - Graphics stuff for the Amiga computer. stesis.hq.eso.org [134.171.8.100]: on-line access to a huge astronomical database. (login:starcat;no passwd) DECnet:STESIS (It's the Space Telescope European Coordination Facility) Benoit Pirenne , phone +49 89 320 06 433 MIDDLE EAST ----------- gauss.technion.ac.il [132.68.112.60]: *kaleida* AUSTRALIA: ---------- gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au [128.250.70.62]: pub - *VORT(ART) ray tracer*, *VOGLE*, Wilson's ray tracing abstracts, /pub/contrib/artscenes (ART scenes from Italy), pub/images/haines - Haines thesis images, Graphics Gems code, SPD, NFF & OFF databases, NFF and OFF previewers, plus some 8- and 24bit images and lots of other stuff. pub/rad.tar.Z - *SGI_RAD* Bernie Kirby munnari.oz.au [128.250.1.21]: pub/graphics/vort.tar.Z - *VORT (ART) 2.1 CSG and algebraic surface ray tracer*, *VOGLE*, /pub - DBW, pbmplus. /graphics - room.tar.Z (ART scenes from Italy). David Hook marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au [134.7.1.1]: pub/graphics/bibliography/Facial_Animation, pub/graphics/bibliography/Morph, pub/graphics/bibliography/UI - stuff about Facial animation, Morphing and User Interfaces. pub/fascia - Fred Parke's fascia program. Valerie Hall OCEANIA - ASIA: --------------- ccu1.aukland.ac.nz [130.216.1.5]: ftp/mac/architec - *VISION-3D facet based modeller, can output RayShade files*. Many other neat things for Macs. Paul Bourke scslwide.sony.co.jp [133.138.199.1]: ftp2/SGI/Facial-Animation - Steve Franks site for facial animation. Steve Franks 4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes =========================================== Please check first with the FTP places above, with archie's help. Don't overuse mail servers. There are some troubles with wrong return addresses. Many of these mail servers have a command like path a_valid_return_e-mail_address to get a hint for sending back to you stuff. DEC's FTPMAIL ------------- Send a one-line message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com WITHOUT a Subject: field, and having a line containing the word 'help'. You should get back a message detailing the relevant procedures you must follow in order to get the files you want. Note that the ""reply"" or ""answer"" command in your mailer will not work for this message or any other mail you receive from FTPMAIL. To send requests to FTPMAIL, send an original mail message, not a reply. Complaints should be sent to the ftpmail-request@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com address rather than to postmaster, since DECWRL's postmaster is not responsible for fixing ftpmail problems. BITFTP ------ For BITNET sites ONLY, there's BITFTP@PUCC. Send a one-line 'help' message to this address for more info. Lightwave 3D mail based file-server ----------------------------------- A mail based file server for 3D objects, 24bit JPEG images, GIF images and image maps is now online for all those with Internet mail access. The server is the official archive site for the Lightwave 3D mail-list and contains many PD and Shareware graphics utilities for several computer platforms including Amiga, Atari, IBM and Macintosh. The server resides on a BBS called ""The Graphics BBS"". The BBS is operational 24 hours a day 7 days a week at the phone number of +1 908/469-0049. It has upgraded its modem to a Hayes Ultra 144 V.32bis/V.42bis, which has speeds from 300bps up to 38,400bps. If you would like to submit objects, scenes or images to the server, please pack, uuencode and then mail the files to the address: server@bobsbox.rent.com. For information on obtaining files from the server send a mail message to the address file-server@graphics.rent.com with the following in the body of the message: HELP /DIR And a help file describing how to use the server and a complete directory listing will be sent to you via mail. [ Now it includes the Cyberware head and shouders in TTDDD format! Check it out, only if you can't use FTP! -- nfotis ] INRIA-GRAPHLIB -------------- Pierre Jancene and Sabine Coquillart launched the inria-graphlib mail server a few months ago. echo help | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr will give you a quick summary of what inria-graphlib contains and how to browse among its files. echo send contents | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr will return the extended summary. As an other example : echo send cgrl from Misc | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr will return the Computer Graphics Resource Listing mirrored from comp.graphics. BBSes ----- There are many BBSes that store datafiles, etc.etc., but a guide to these is beyond the scope of this Listing (and the resources of the author!) If you can point to me Internet- or mail- accessible BBSes that carry interesting stuff, send me info! Studio Amiga is a 3D modelling and ray tracing specific BBS, (817) 467-3658. 24 hours, 105 Meg online. -- From Jeff Walkup : ""The Castle"" 415/355-2396 (14.4K/v.32bis/v.42/v.42bis/MNP) (In Pacifica, dang close to San Francisco, California, USA) The new-user password is: ""TAO"". [J]oin base #2; The Castle G/FX, Anim, Video, 3D S.I.G., of which I am the SIG-Op, ""Lazerus"". -- Bob Lindabury operates a BBS (see above the entry for ""The Graphics BBS"") -- 'You Can Call Me Ray' ray tracing related BBS in Chicago suburbs (708-358-5611) or (708-358-8721) -- Digital Pixel (Sysop: Mark Ng ) is based at Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Phone : (416) 298 1487 Storage space: 330 megs Modem type: 14.4k baud,16.8k (Zyxel) , v32bis ,v32, mnp 5 Access Fee: none.. (free) System supported : DOS, OS/2, Amiga, Mac. Netmail: Currently no echo mail. Topics: Raytracing, Fractals, Graphics programming, CAD, Any Comp. Graphics related -- From: David Tiberio Amiga Graphics BBS (516) 473-6351 in Long Island, New York, running 24 hours at 14.4k v.32bis, with 157 megs on line. We also subscribe to 9 mailing lists, of which 5 originate from our BBS, with 3 more to be added soon. These include: Lightwave, Imagine, Real 3D (ray tracing) Database files include: Imagine 3D objects, 3D renderings, scalable fonts, music modules, sound samples, demos, animations, utilities, text databases, and pending Lightwave 3D objects. -- The Graphics Alternative The Graphics Alternative is in El Cerrito, CA., running 24 hours a day at 14.4k HST/v.32bis, with 642MB online and a 1300+ user base. TGA runs two nodes, node 1 (510) 524-2780 is for public access and includes a free 90 day trial subscription. TGA is the West Coast Host for PCGnet, The Profesional CAD and Graphics Network, supporting nodes across the Continental U.S., Alaska, New Zealand, Australia, France and the UK. TGA's file database includes MS-DOS executables for POV, Vivid, RTrace, Rayshade, Polyray, and others. TGA also has numerous graphics utilities, viewers, and conversion utilities. Registered Vivid users can also download the latest Vivid aeta code from a special Vivid conference. -- From: Scott Bethke The Intersection BBS, 410-250-7149. This BBS Is dedicated to supporting 3D Animators.The system is provided FREE OF CHARGE, and is NOT Commercialized in ANYWAY. Users are given FULL Access on the first call. Features: Usenet NEWS & Internet Mail, Fidonet Echo's & Netmail, 200 Megs online, V.32bis/V.42bis Modem. Platforms of interest: Amiga & The VideoToaster, Macintosh, Ms-Dos, Unix Workstations (Sun, SGI, etc), Atari-ST. -- From: Alfonso Hermida : Pi Square BBS (301)725-9080 in Maryland. It supports raytracers such as POV and VIVID. The BBS runs off a 486/33Mhz, 100Megs hard drive and CD ROM. Now it runs on 1200-2400bps (this will change soon) Topics: graphics programming, animation,raytracing,programming (general) -- From: Lynn Falkow : Vertech Design's GRAPHIC CONNECTION. (503) 591-8412 in Portland, Oregon. V.32/V.42bis. The BBS, aside from carrying typical BBS services like message bases ( all topic specific ) and files ( CAD and graphics related -- hundreds of megabytes ), also offers material texture files that are full color, seamlessly tiling, photo-realistic images. There are samples available to first time callers. The BBS is a subscription system although callers have 2 hours before they must subscribe, and there are several subscription rates available. People interested in materials can subscribe to the library in addition to a basic subscription rate, and can use their purchased time to download whichever materials they wish. ========================================================================== 5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists ============================================= Imagine ------- Modeling and animation system for the Amiga: send subscription requests to Imagine-request@email.sp.paramax.com send material to Imagine@email.sp.paramax.com (Dave Wickard has substituted Steve Worley in the maintenance of the mailing list) - PLEASE note that the unisys.com address is NO longer valid!!! Lightwave --------- (for the Amiga. It's part of Newtek's Video Toaster): send subscription requests to lightwave-request@bobsbox.rent.com send material to lightwave@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury) Toaster ------- send subscription requests to listserv@karazm.math.uh.edu with a *body* of: subscribe toaster-list Real 3D ------- Another modeling and animation system for the Amiga: To subscribe, send a mail containing the body subscribe real3d-l to listserv@gu.uwa.edu.au Rayshade -------- send subscription requests to rayshade-request@cs.princeton.edu send material to rayshade-users@cs.princeton.edu (Craig Kolb) Alladin 4D for the Amiga ---------- send subscription requests to subscribe@xamiga.linet.org and in the body of the message write #Alladin 4D username@domain Radiance -------- Greg Ward, the author, sends to registered (via e-mail) users digests of his correspodence with them, notes about fixes, updates, etc. His address is: gjward@lbl.gov REND386 ------- send subscription requests to rend386-request@sunee.waterloo.edu send material to rend386@sunee.waterloo.edu PoV ray / DKB raytracers ------------------------ To subscribe, send a mail containing the body subscribe dkb-l to listserv@trearn.bitnet send material to dkb-l@trearn.bitnet Mailing List for Massively Parallel Rendering --------------------------------------------- send subscription requests to mp-render-request@icase.edu send material to mp-render@icase.edu ========================================================================== 6. 3D graphics editors ====================== a. Public domain, free and shareware systems ============================================ VISION-3D --------- Mac-based program written by Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz). The program can be used to generate models directly in the RayShade and Radiance file formats (polygons only). It's shareware and listed on the FTP list. BRL --- A solid modeling system for most environments -- including SGI and X11. It has CSG and NURBS, plus support for Non-Manifold Geometry [Whatever it is]. You can get it *free* via FTP by signing and returning the relevant license, found on ftp.brl.mil. Uses ray-tracing for engineering analyses. Contact: Ms. Carla Moyer (410)-273-7794 tel. (410)-272-6763 FAX cad-dist@brl.mil E-mail Snail mail: BRL-CAD Distribution SURVIAC Aberdeen Satellite Office 1003 Old Philadelphia Road, Suite 103 Aberdeen MD 21001 USA IRIT ---- A constructive solid geometry (CSG) modeling program for PC and X11. Includes freeform surface support. Free - see FTP list for where to find it. SurfModel --------- A solid modeling program for PC written in Turbo Pascal 6.0 by Ken Van Camp. Available from SIMTEL, pd1: directory. NOODLES ------- From CMU, namely Fritz Printz and Levent Gursoz (elg@styx.edrc.cmu.edu). It's based on Non Manifold Topology. Ask them for more info, I don't know if they give it away. XYZ2 ---- XYZ2 is an interactive 3-D editor/builder written by Dale P. Stocker to create objects for the SurfaceModel, Automove, and DKB raytracer packages. XYZ2 is free and can be found, for example, in SIMTEL20 as XYZ21.ZIP (DOS only??) 3DMOD ----- It's an MSDOS program. Check at barnacle.erc.clarkson.edu [128.153.28.12], /pub/msdos/graphics/3dmod.* . Undocumented file format :-( 3DMOD is (C) 1991 by Micah Silverman, 25 Pierrepoint Ave., Postdam, New York 13676, tel. 315-265-7140 NORTHCAD -------- Shareware, NCAD3D42.ZIP in SIMTEL20. Undocumented file format :-( Vertex ------ (Amiga) Shareware, send $40 US (check or money order) to: The Art Machine, 4189 Nickolas Sterling Heights, MI 48310 USA In addition to the now standard file formats, including Lightwave, Imagine, Sculpt, Turbo Silver, GEO and Wavefront, this release offers 3D Professional and RayShade support. (Rayshade is supported only by the primitive ""triangle"", but you can easily include this output in your RayShade scripts) The latest demo, version 1.62, is available on Fred Fish #727. For more information, contact the author, Alex Deburie, at: ad99s461@sycom.mi.org, Phone: (313) 939-2513 ICoons ------ (Amiga) It's a spline based object modeller (""ICoons"" = Interactive COONS path editor) in amiga.physik.unizh.ch (gfx/3d/ICoons1.0.lzh). It's free (under the GNU Licence) and requires FPU. The program has a look&feel which is a cross between Journeyman and Imagine, and it generates objects in TTDDD format. It is possible to load Journeyman objects into ICoons, so the program can be used to convert JMan objects to Imagine format. Author: Helge E. Rasmussen PHONE + 45 36 72 33 00, FAX + 45 36 72 43 00 [ It's also on Fred Fish disk series n.775 - nfotis ] ProtoCAD 3D ----------- Ver 1.1 from Trius (shareware?) It's at wsmr-simtel20.army.mil and oak.oakland.edu as PCAD3D.ZIP (for PCs) It has this menu layout: FILE File handling (Load, Save, Import, Xport...) DRAW Draw 2D objects (Line, Circle, Box...) 3D Draw 3D objects (Mesh, Sphere, Block...) EDIT Editing features (Copy, Move ...) SURFACE Modify objects (Revolve, Xtrude, Sweep...) IMAGE Image zooming features (Update, Window, Half...) OPTION Global defaults (Grid, Toggles, Axis...) PLOT Print drawing/picture (Go, Image...) RENDER Shade objects (Frame, Lighting, Tune...) LAYER Layer options (Select active layer, set Colors...) +Sculptura +--------- + Runs under Windows 3.1, and outputs PoV files. A demo can be found + on wuarchive.wustl.edu in mirrors/win3/demo/demo3d.zip + + Author: Michael Gibson b. Commercial systems ===================== Alpha_1 ------- A spline-based modeling program written in University of Utah. Features: splines up to trimmed NURBS; support for boolean operations; sweeps, bending, warping, flattening etc.; groups of objects, and transformations; extensible object types. Applications include: NC machining, Animation utilities, Dimensioning, FEM analysis, etc. Rendering subsystem, with support for animations. Support the following platforms: HP 300 and 800's (X11R4, HP-UX 6.5), SGI 4D or PI machines (X11R4 and GL, IRIX 3.3.1), Sun SparcStation (X11R4, SunOS 4.1.1). Licensing and distribution is handled by EGS: Glenn McMinn, President Engineering Geometry Systems 275 East South Temple, Suite 305 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 (801) 575-6021 mcminn@cs.utah.edu [ Educational pricing ] The charge is $675 per platform. You may run the system on as many different workstations of that type as you wish. For each platform there is also a $250 licensing fee for Portable Standard Lisp (PSL) which is bundled with the system. You need to obtain an additional license from the University of Utah for PSL from the following address: Professor Robert Kessler Computer Science Department University of Utah Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 [ EGS can handle the licensing of PSL for U.S. institutions for a 300 $USD nominal fee -- nfotis ] VERTIGO ------- They have an Educational Institution Program. The package is used in the industrial design, architectural, scientific visualization, educational, broadcast, imaging and post production fields. They'll [quoting from a letter sent to me -- nfotis ] ""donate fully configured Vertigo 3D Graphics Software worth over $29,000USD per package to qualified educational institutions for licencing on any number of Silicon Graphics Personal IRIS or POWER Series Workstations. If you use an IRIS Indigo station, we will also licence our Vertigo Revolution Software (worth $12,000USD). If you are interested in participating in this program please send a letter by mail or fax (604/684-2108) on your institution's letterhead briefly outlining your potential uses for Vertigo together with the following information: 1. UNIX version 2. Model and number of SGI systems 3. Peripheral devices 4. Third Party Software. Participants will be asked to contribute $750USD per institution to cover costs of the manual, administration, and shipping. We recommend that Vertigo users subscribe to our technical support services. For an annual fee you will receive: technical assistance on our support hotline, bug fixes, software upgrades and manual updates. For educational institution we will waive the $750 administration fee if support is purchased. The annual support fee is $2,500 plus the following cost for additional machines: Number of machines: 2-20 20+ Additional cost per machine: $700 $600 "" [ There's also a 5-day training program - nfotis] Contact: Vertigo Technology INC Suite 1010 1030 West Georgia St. VANCOUVER, BC CANADA, V6E 2Y3 Phone: 604/684-2113 Fax: 604/684-2108 [ Does anyone know of such offers from TDI, Alias, Softimage, Wavefront, etc.??? this would be a VERY interesting part!! -- nfotis ] PADL-2 ------ [ Basically, it's a Solid Modeling Kernel in top of which you build your application(s)] Available by license from Cornell Programmable Automation Cornell University 106 Engineering and Theory Center Ithaca, NY 14853 License fees are very low for educational institutions and gov't agencies. Internal commercial licenses and re-dissemination licenses are available. For an information packet, write to the above address, or send your address to: marisa@cpa.tn.cornell.edu (Richard Marisa) ACIS ---- From Spatial Technology. It's a Solid Modelling kernel callable from C. Heard that many universities got free copies from the company. The person to contact regarding ACIS in academic institutions is Scott Owens, e-mail: sdo@spatial.com And their address is: Spatial Technology, Inc. 2425 55th St., Bldg. A Boulder, CO 80301-5704 Phone: (303) 449-0649, Fax: (303) 449-0926 MOVIE-BYU / CQUEL.BYU --------------------- Basically [in my understanding], this is a FEM pre- and post-proccessor system. It's fairly old today, but it still serves some people in Mech. Eng. Depts. Now it's superseded from CQUEL.BYU (pronounced ""sequel""). That's a complete modelling, animation and visualization package. Runs in the usual workstation environments (SUN, DEC, HP, SGI, IBM RS6000, and others) You can get a demo version (30-days trial period) either by sending $20 USD in their address or a blank tape. It costs 1,500 for a full run-time licence. Contact: Engineering Computer Graphics Lab 368 Clyde Building, Brigham Young Univ. Provo, UT 84602 Phone: 801-378-2812 E-mail: cquel@byu.edu twixt ----- Soon to add stuff about it... If I get a reply to my FAX VOXBLAST -------- It's a volume renderer marketed by: Vaytek Inc. (Fairfield, Iowa phone: 515-472-2227) , running on PCs with 386+FPU at least. Call Vaytek for more info. VoxelBox -------- A 3D Volume renderer for Windows. Features include direct ray-traced volume rendering, color and alpha mapping, gradient lighting, animation, reflections and shadows. Runs on a PC(386 or higher) with at least an 8 bit video card(SVGA is fine) under Windows 3.x. It costs $495. Contact: Jaguar Software Inc. 573 Main St., Suite 9B Winchester, MA 01890 (617) 729-3659 jwp@world.std.com (john w poduska) ========================================================================== 7. Scene description languages ============================== NFF --- Neutral file format , by Eric Haines. Very simple, there are some procedural database generators in the SPD package, and many objects floating in various FTP sites. There's also a previewer written in HP Starbase from E.Haines. Also there's one written in VOGLE, so you can use any of the devices VOGLE can output on. (Check in sites carrying VOGLE, like gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au) OFF --- Object file format, from DEC's Randy Rost (rost@kpc.com). [ The object archive server seems to be mothballed. In a future version, I'll remove the ref. to it -- nfotis ] Available also through their mail server. To obtain help about using this service, send a message with a ""Subject:"" line containing only the word ""help"" and a null message body to: object-archive-server@decwrl.dec.com. [For FTP places to get it, see in the relevant place]. There's an OFF previewer for SGI 4D machines, called off-preview in godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au . There are previewers for xview and sunview, also on gondwana. TDDD ---- It's a library of 3D objects with translators to/from OFF, NFF, Rayshade, Imagine or vort objects. Edited copy of the announcement follows (from Raytracing News, V4,#3): New Library of 3D Objects Available via FTP, by Steve Worley (worley@cup.portal.com) I have assembled a set of over 150 3D objects in a binary format called TDDD. These objects range from human figures to airplanes, from semi-trucks to lampposts. These objects are all freely distributable, and most have READMEs that describe them. In order to convert these objects to a human-readable format, a file with the specification of TDDD is included in the directory with the objects. There is also a shareware system called TTDDDLIB (officially on hubcap.clemson.edu) that will convert (ala PBM+) to/from various object formats : Imagine TTDDD (extension of TDDD?), OFF, NFF, Rayshade 4.0, or vort. Source included for Amiga/Unix as executables for the Amiga. Also outputs Framemaker MIF files and isometric views in Postscript. P3D --- From Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center. The P3D uses lisp with slight extensions to store three-dimensional models. A simple lisp interpreter is included with the P3D release, so there is no need to have access to any vendor's lisp to run this software. The mouse-driven user interfaces for Motif, Open Look, and Silicon Graphics GL, and the DrawP3D subroutine library for generating P3D without ever looking at the underlying Lisp. The P3D software currently supports nine renderers. They are: Painter - Painter's Algorithm, Dore, Silicon Graphics Inc. GL language, Generic Phigs, Sun Phigs+, DEC Phigs+, Rayshade, ART ray tracer (from VORT package) and Pixar RenderMan. The code is available via anonymous FTP from the machines ftp.psc.edu, directory pub/p3d, and nic.funet.fi, directory pub/graphics/programs/p3d. RenderMan --------- Pixar's RenderMan is not free - call Pixar for details. ========================================================================== 8. Solids description formats ============================= a. EEC's ESPRIT project 322 CAD*I (CAD Interfaces) has developed a neutral file format for transfer of CAD data (curves, surfaces, and solid models between CAD systems and from CAD to CAA (Computer Aided Analysis) an CAM (Computer Aided Manufacturing) b. IGES [v. 5.1 now] tries to define a standard to tranfer solid models - Brep and CSG. The current standard number is ANSI Y14.26M-1987 For documentation, you might want to contact Nancy Flower at NCGA Technical Services and Standards, 1-800-225-6242 ext. 325 and the cost is $100. This standard is not available in electronic format. c. PDES/STEP : This slowly emerging standard tries to encompass not only the geometrical information, but also for things like FEM, etc. The main bodies besides this standard are NIST and DARPA. You can get more information about PDES by sending mail to nptserver@cme.nist.gov and putting the line send index in the body (NOT the Subject:) area of the message. The people at Rutherford Appleton Lab. are also working on STEP tools: they have an EXPRESS compiler and an Exchange file parser, both available in source form (and for free) for research purposes. Soon they will also have an EXPRESS-based database system. For the tools contact Mike Mead, Phone: +44 (0235) 44 6710 (FAX: x 5893), e-mail: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk or {...!}mcsun!uknet!rlinf!mm or mm%inf.rl.ac.uk@NSFnet-relay.ac.uk ========================================================================== End of Part 1 of the Resource Listing -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 " 8631,8,"From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire. Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 11 Hey folks-- I've got a pair of Dunlop sportmax radials of my ZX-10, and they've been very sticky (ie no slides yet), but all this talk about the Metzelers has me wondering if my next set should be a Lazer comp K and a radial Metzeler rear...for hard sport-touring, how do the choices stack up? Nathaniel ZX-10 DoD 0812 AMA " 8632,1,"From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger) Subject: Need some Graphics Help! Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 32 Help! I'm trying to program my VGA! I've got it working with in pascal with the following routines for mode $13h (320*200*256). I've got a VESA compatable Trident 8900C w/1meg and need to program in 1024*768 mode. I don't care how many colors. Could someone take this code and help me write 2 new procedures to replace them so that it'll work in 1024*768*16 or 1024*768*256? That'd be GREAT! Thanks... Here is the code I currently have for 320*200*256 mode: Procedure GraphMode; Begin { VideoMode } Asm Mov AH,00 Mov AL,13h Int 10h End; End; { VideoMode } Procedure PlotPoint (x, y, c : Integer); Begin Mem[$A000:x+y*320]:=c; End; -- David " 8633,7,"From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121) Subject: Renting from Alamo Nntp-Posting-Host: st83.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 20 Hello netters! I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days. This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore). They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that, 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he didn't rent it from Alamo. Does anyone have some info on this? Is $225 a rip-off? Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Is the beretta a good rental car? Thanx Markus " 8634,11,"From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 27 <1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-reply-to: smb@research.att.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:23:18 GMT >I don't like the unit key generation process any better than you do. >However -- S1 and S2 are supposed to be under control of the same >escrow agents. If they can't be trusted to keep the seed values secure, >they can't be trusted to keep the half-keys secure. I hope there is something I don't understand about this system, but can someone tell me how these chips are going to be manufactured while maintaining each half key under total control of the separate escrow agencies? Don't both halfs of the key have to come together (in some form) at the time the chip is constructed? Or is it built like a fusable prom, with the chip being sent to the 1st escrow agency to program its 1/2 key, then the 2nd agency to program its 1/2 key (but who invents the safeguards that prevent the 2nd agency from reading the information already programmed by the 1st)? This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow security without simply saying ""trust the manufacturer, they won't look"". -- ====================================================================== domain: tahorsley@csd.harris.com USMail: Tom Horsley uucp: ...!uunet!hcx1!tahorsley 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach, FL 33444 +==== Censorship is the only form of Obscenity ======================+ | (Wait, I forgot government tobacco subsidies...) | +====================================================================+ " 8635,12,"From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 30 alee@bmerh794.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes: > > In article <34263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> you write: > >VA, CT, Wash DC and I think BC Canada where I've heard they actually > >use Radar detector detectors. > > Nope, not in British Columbia. Detectors are legal here in BC, I've even > got one. > > In Alberta and Ontario they're illegal, and detection devices are sometimes > used. I've heard the police in Ontario prefer a much more direct method of > detection. Just trigger the radar gun, watch for people slamming on the > brakes, and search the car. > > > David Lee > leex@sfu.ca > They are illegal here in Manitoba as well though I don't know what methods are used to detect them. It has always amazed me with the way the laws work. It is not illegal to sell them here in Manitoba, only to have them within a vehicle. (Last I heard, they don't have to be installed to be illegal.) victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 " 8636,16,"From: phd85@seq1.keele.ac.uk (D.H. Holden) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk From article <1qvjh9INNh4l@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff): > NUT CASE PANICS!!!!JUMPS THE GUN ON THE NET BEFORE GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT!!!! Brilliant I like it! -- Dave Holden Phys. Dept. | Email: keele university. | phd85@uk.ac.keele.seq1 keele. staffs. England. | -----------------------------------------------------------x " 8637,6,"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Electronics Summary: new address Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. $20 plus shipping. If you are interested in either of the above mail me at radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me, Keith, at 919-968-7779. PS- I made a type on my email address the first posting. It is now correct. _ _ // Major: Computer Science / genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the >minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't >believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good >season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent >season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to >use. Can anybody name a player who was 'rushed' to the majors (let's, for argument's sake, define ""rushed"" as brought up to the majors for more than a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below expectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing? I'm serious; I tend to agree with David that bringing the player up sooner is better, but I'd like to look at players for whom this theory didn't work, if there are any. I'd prefer players within the last 10 years or so, because then I can look up their minor league stats. (It's important to distinguish between players who legitimately had careers below what their minor league numbers would have projected, as opposed to players who were hyped and failed, but actually had careers not out of line with their minor league numbers). Let's kick it off with an example of a player who was ""rushed"", although there doesn't seem to have been any damage to his career. Jay Bell was given 135 PAs in the major leagues at age 21, and performed well below what you would expect from his AAA numbers the same season. He got 236 PAs the next year at age 22, and still underperformed. However, the next year, at age 24, his performance improved, and he won the everyday shortstop job, and has been there ever since. It's really hard for me to see where he would have been better off staying in the minor league (where he was performed quite well in AAA) during this time, rather than being ""rushed""; Cleveland might have been better off, I suppose, because they might have been less likely to give up on him. Yes, if you bring a player up early, he's likely going to struggle. But does that delay the time at which he stops struggling, and starts performing up to expectations? Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 8639,9,"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: BaseballIsDead Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr8.195853.10650@midway.uchicago.edu> as16@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >My question to you all is why does the media seem to embrace the theme of the >death of baseball so strongly? I have seen articles of a similar vein in >the Chicago Tribune and in sports editorials on tv. Maybe because baseball is the only business where those who are responsible for the fiscal aspects of the game preach gloom and doom. These allegedly intelligent people seem to predict bad times, losing money, bankruptcies at an alarming rate, and there's going to be an increased degradation of the product they produce. Could you imagine IBM, with all their problems, promoting themselves the way Major League Baseball does? Their stock would plummet to unthinkable depths (not that they are too far from it now :-). What would happen at GM? Where would GM be if they admitted to cutting corners and producing an inferior product because of alleged labor problems? I think it shows a lack of confidence for the people who run the game. >Anyway, it just frustrates me when the media says such things, because it >inevitably leads to owners trying quick fixes like increasing play-offs to >satisfy television or trying interleague play to drum up interest. Forget it. Word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about a done deal. It has to be decided soon since negotiations with the networks also have to begin soon. -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com < enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC >1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? >In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The >Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of >rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this >hideous vision of the future. Observers were >startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged >for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. (Sign of the times: a Sony logo on a Soyuz launcher...) >Now, Space Marketing >is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >orbit. This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone know if he's involved? >NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to build large, inflatable space structures. >.......... >What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. If this is true, I think it's a great idea. Learning how to build to build structures in space in an essential step towards space development, and given that Freedom appears to be shrinking towards the vanishing point, I question whether NASA's space station is going to provide much, if any, knowledge in this area. (Especially if a design such as Faget's wingless orbiter is chosen...) If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so much the better. >Is NASA really supporting this junk? And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild idea"" stage or does it have real funding? >Are protesting groups being organized in the States? Not yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________ " 8641,16,"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 282 Here is a press release from the White House. President Clinton's Remarks On Waco With Q/A To: National Desk Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, April 20 -- Following are remarks by President Clinton in a question and answer session with the press: 1:36 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: On February the 28th, four federal agents were killed in the line of duty trying to enforce the law against the Branch Davidian compound, which had illegally stockpiled weaponry and ammunition, and placed innocent children at risk. Because the BATF operation had failed to meet its objective, a 51-day standoff ensued. The Federal Bureau of Investigation then made every reasonable effort to bring this perilous situation to an end without bloodshed and further loss of life. The Bureau's efforts were ultimately unavailing because the individual with whom they were dealing, David Koresh, was dangerous, irrational, and probably insane. He engaged in numerous activities which violated both federal law and common standards of decency. He was, moreover, responsible for the deaths and injuries which occurred during the action against the compound in February. Given his inclination towards violence and in an effort to protect his young hostages, no provocative actions were taken for more than seven weeks by federal agents against the compound. This weekend I was briefed by Attorney General Reno on an operation prepared by the FBI, designed to increase pressure on Koresh and persuade those in the compound to surrender peacefully. The plan included a decision to withhold the use of ammunition, even in the face of fire, and instead to use tear gas that would not cause permanent harm to health, but would, it was hoped, force the people in the compound to come outside and to surrender. I was informed of the plan to end the siege. I discussed it with Attorney General Reno. I asked the questions I thought it was appropriate for me to ask. I then told her to do what she thought was right, and I take full responsibility for the implementation of the decision. Yesterday's action ended in a horrible human tragedy. Mr. Koresh's response to the demands for his surrender by federal agents was to destroy himself and murder the children who were his captives, as well as all the other people who were there who did not survive. He killed those he controlled, and he bears ultimate responsibility for the carnage that ensued. Now we must review the past with an eye towards the future. I have directed the United Stated Departments of Justice and Treasury to undertake a vigorous and thorough investigation to uncover what happened and why, and whether anything could have been dne differently. I have told the departments to involve independent professional law enforcement officials in the investigation. I expect to receive analysis and answers in whatever time is required to complete the review. Finally, I have directed the departments to cooperate fully with all congressional inquiries so that we can continue to be fully accountable to the American people. I want to express my appreciation to the Attorney General, to the Justice Department, and to the federal agents on the front lines who did the best job they could under deeply difficult circumstances. Again, I want to say as I did yesterday, I am very sorry for the loss of life which occurred at the beginning and at the end of this tragedy in Waco. I hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like David Koresh will be deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over the last seven weeks. And I hope very much that the difficult situations which federal agents confronted there and which they will be doubtless required to confront in other contexts in the future will be somewhat better handled and better understood because of what has been learned now. Q Mr. President, can you, first of all, tell us why, after 51 days, you decided -- Q Mr. President, can you describe for us what it is that Janet Reno outlined to you in your 15-minute phone conversation with -- THE PRESIDENT: I can't hear you both. If one will go first and then the other. Q Sorry. Can you describe what Janet Reno -- Q Mr. President -- THE PRESIDENT: I'll answer both your questions, but I can't do it at once. Q Can you describe what she told you on Sunday about the nature of the operation and how much detail you knew about it? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I was told by the Attorney General that the FBI strongly felt that the time had come to take another step in trying to dislodge the people in the compound. And she described generally what the operation would be -- that they wanted to go in and use tear gas which had been tested not to cause permanent damage to adults or to children, but which would make it very difficult for people to stay inside the building. And it was hoped that the tear gas would permit them to come outside. I was further told that under no circumstances would our people fire any shots at them even if fired upon. They were going to shoot the tear gas from armored vehicles which would protect them and there would be no exchange of fire. In fact, as you know, an awful lot of shots were fired by the cult members at the federal officials. There were no shots coming back from the government side. I asked a number of questions. The first question I asked is, why now? We have waited seven weeks; why now? The reasons I was given were the following: Number one, that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there. They might be needed in other parts of the country. Number two, that the people who had reviewed this had never seen a case quite like this one before, and they were convinced that no progress had been made recently and no progress was going to be made through the normal means of getting Koresh and the other cult members to come out. Number three, that the danger of their doing something to themselves or to others was likely to increase, not decrease, with the passage of time. And number four, that they had reason to believe that the children who were still inside the compound were being abused significantly, as well as being forced to live in unsanitary and unsafe conditions. So for those reasons, they wanted to move at that time. The second question I asked the Attorney General is whether they had given consideration to all of the things that could go wrong and evaluated them against what might happen that was good. She said that the FBI personnel on the scene and those working with them were convinced that the chances of bad things happening would only increase with the passage of time. The third question I asked was, has the military been consulted? As soon as the initial tragedy came to light in Waco, that's the first thing I asked to be done, because it was obvious that this was not a typical law enforcement situation. Military people were then brought in, helped to analyze the situation and some of the problems that were presented by it. And so I asked if the military had been consulted. The Attorney General said that they had, and that they were in basic agreement that there was only one minor tactical difference of opinion between the FBI and the military -- something that both sides thought was not of overwhelming significance. Having asked those questions and gotten those answers, I said that if she thought it was the right thing to do, that she should proceed and that I would support it. And I stand by that today. Q Mr. President -- THE PRESIDENT: Wait. Go ahead. Q Can you address the widespread perception -- reported widely, television, radio and newspapers -- that you were trying somehow to distance yourself from this disaster? THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm bewildered by it. The only reason I made no public statement yesterday -- let me say -- the only reason I made no public statement yesterday is that I had nothing to add to what was being said and I literally did not know until rather late in the day whether anybody was still alive other than those who had been actually seen and taken to the hospital or taken into custody. It was purely and simply a question of waiting for events to unfold. There was -- I have -- I can't account for why people speculated one way or the other, but I talked to the Attorney General on the day before the action took place. I talked to her yesterday. I called her again late last night after she appeared on the Larry King Show, and I talked to her again this morning. A President -- it is not possible for a President to distance himself from things that happen when the federal government is in control. I will say this, however. I was, frankly, surprised would be a mild word, to say that anyone that would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. (Applause.) I regret what happened, but it is not possible in this life to control the behavior of others in every circumstance. These people killed four federal officials in the line of duty. They were heavily armed. They fired on federal officials yesterday repeatedly, and they were never fired back on. We did everything we could to avoid the loss of life. They made the decision to immolate themselves. And I regret it terribly, and I feel awful about the children. But in the end, the last comment I had from Janet Reno, is when -- and I talked to her on Sunday -- I said, now, I want you to tell me once more why you believe -- not why they believe -- why you believe we should move now rather than wait some more. And she said, it's because of the children. They have evidence that those children are still being abused and that they're in increasingly unsafe conditions, and that they don't think it will get any easier with time -- with the passage of time. I have to take their word for that. So that is where I think things stand. Q Can we assume then that you don't think this was mishandled in view of the outcome, that you didn't run out of patience? And if you had it to do over again, would you really decide that way? THE PRESIDENT: No -- well, I think what you can assume is just exactly what I announced today. This is a -- the FBI has done a lot of things right for this country over a long period of time. This is the same FBI that found the people that bombed the World Trade Center in lickety-split, record time. We want an inquiry to analyze the steps along the way. Is there something else we should have known? Is there some other question they should have asked? Is there some other question I should have asked? Can I say for sure that no one -- that we could have done nothing else to make the outcome come different? I don't know that. That's why I want the inquiry and that's why I would like to make sure that we have some independent law enforcement people, not political people, but totally non-political, outside experts who can bring to bear the best evidence we have. There is, unfortunately, a rise in this sort of fanaticism all across the world. And we may have to confront it again. And I want to know whether there is anything we can do, particularly when there are children involved. But I do think it is important to recognize that the wrong-doers in this case were the people who killed others and then killed themselves. Q Mr. President, were there any other options presented to you for resolving this situation at any point from February 28th until yesterday? THE PRESIDENT: Well, yes, I got regular reports all along the way. There were lots of other options pursued. If you go back -- you all covered it very well. The FBI -- you did a very good job of it. I mean, the FBI and the other authorities there pursued any number of other options all along the way, and a lot of them early on seemed to be working. Some of the children got out, some of the other people left. There was a -- at one point, there seemed to be some lines of communication opening up between Koresh and the authorities. And then he would say things and not do them and things just began to spin downward. Whether there were other -- in terms of what happened yesterday, the conversation I had with the Attorney General did not involve other options except whether we should take more time with the present strategy we were pursuing -- because they said they wanted to do this, because they thought this was the best way to get people out of the compound quickly before they could kill themselves. That's what they thought. Q Did the government know that the children did not have gas masks? Q congressional hearings once the situation -- are you in agreement with that? THE PRESIDENT: That's up to the Congress. They can do whatever they want. But I think it's very important that the Treasury and Justice Departments launch this investigation and bring in some outside experts. And as I said in my statement, if any congressional committees want to look into it, we will fully cooperate. There is nothing to hide here. This was probably the most well-covered operation of its kind in the history of the country. (more, more) -30- " 8642,18,"Organization: Students for Increased Beverage Access (SIBA) From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati <93105.032616MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <1qkl3i$9bj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Lines: 49 In article <1qkl3i$9bj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) says: >In a previous article, MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs) says: >>In article <1qhr73$a8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu >>(Broward Horne) says: >>> It sure does appear that way, doesn't it? >> >>The attitude that people are stupid if they don't agree with you is not >>going to bring you great success in life. Free advice, there. > whew. Mark, what on EARTH makes you think I give a FUCK > about being a ""success"", particularly NOW when I'll just > the HELL taxed out of me? Oh, this is excellent. That was hardly the point, was it? I was commenting on this all-too-common Republican attitude that if people disagree with us, they must be idiots, they must be sheep being led around by the Evil Liberal Media Conspiracy. This is a dangerous attitude indeed. Because it's not a very big step from ""people are sheep, they can't think for themselves"" to ""people are sheep and need firm leadership from we, who know better""... this sort of attitude makes me worry about what'll happen to the United States if the extremist wing of the Republican party ever gets back into power again. > Holy christ! :) Hey! This is a government-funded newsgroup! Let's have some separation of church and state, damn it! > Besides, let's examine the record, shall we? > Broward: "" Clinton's going to taxe the HOLY FUCK out of you! "" > Mark: "" No, he's not. Only $17 / month "" > ( I STILL get a laugh out of this one! :) ) More like: Broward: ""Clinton's going to raise your income taxes by over $1000!"" Mark: ""No, he's not, only about $204."" Broward: (silence) > Want some more ""free predictions"" ? OK, I predict that in 1996 the Republicans will STILL be bitter. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's not very impressive to predict things that are inevitable... ""...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they'd try to charge me for them. " 8643,9,"From: rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) Subject: Re: Cubs game of April 6th Article-I.D.: netcom.rudyC53145.IGD Organization: Home of the Brave Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr6.203330.4974@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes: >Otis Nixion lined a single to left with two outs breaking up the no hitter. >Cubs win 1-0 on a 1 hitter by Jose Guzman. That's might be what it takes to beat the Braves this year. Look at Smoltz's pitching line: 6 hits, 2 walks, 1 ER, 7 SO and a loss. " 8644,15,"From: mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Lines: 25 In article miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >[Any former atheists converted by argument?} >This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are >any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. >when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone >""knew the rules."" Today, when you can't count on people knowing even >the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is >often indistinguishable from a poor one. The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in the medieval period ""knew the rules"" it was a matter of uncritically accepting what they were told. Bill Mayne [This may be unfair to Lewis. The most prominent fallacy attributed to him is the ""liar, lunatic, and lord"". As quoted by many Christians, this is a logical fallacy. In its original context, it was not. --clh] " 8645,2,"From: sguerke@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Guerke) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ? Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr22.153959.12328@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) writes: > >One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my >(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the >driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do >it for some reason. > For Logitech rodents use the lmouse driver that comes with windows.... also you need to be using a video driver that supports use of the mouse, both the VGA and SUPERVGA that come with Windows 3.1 will support it. both of these are 16 color drivers, if you're lucky the manufacturer of your video card might have a driver that is compatable and will support a mouse. Steve -- Stephen Guerke, Coord. Computer Resources sguerke@brahms.udel.edu University of Delaware Parallel Program stephen.guerke@mvs.udel.edu Georgetown, DE 19947 ILV20078@UDELVM.UDEL.EDU " 8646,4,"From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) Subject: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 16 I seem to be having some trouble with this... I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to make it wake up with SetWUTime(). I am aware of the error in the header files and IM VI. I am setting the WU time to be about two minutes, then putting the mac to sleep, but it doesn't wakeup at the appointed time.... Does it require a call to SystemTask in order to make sure that everything is setup? -- Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be. " 8647,6,"From: khcheng@unix.amherst.edu (KIM HONG CHENG) Subject: Telepath 96/96 FAX/MODEM FOR GATEWAY Organization: Amherst College Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] GATEWAY Telepath 9600/9600 FAx/modem for gateway computer with crosstalk, Winfax Pro 2.01 for windows Never used. $170 shipped ($195 from gateway) Hong " 8648,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 25 In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> |> One of those ""morning, just getting the coffee in me"" thoughts: |> |> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just ""Hey, how's it going, |> nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"" |> |> 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention |> is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages. |> |> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when |> you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at a passing biker. Ow. -- ============================================================================= = The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= = Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = = (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = = Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces! = ============================================================================= " 8649,12,"From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson) Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference Keywords: catv cable television tvi Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 14 victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: )Do you know what frequencies chanels 17 to 19 use and what is usually )allocated to those frequencies for broadcast outside of cable? 17 is air comm. 18 is amateur 19 is business and public service -- Ken Thompson N0ITL NCR Corp. Peripheral Products Division Disk Array Development 3718 N. Rock Road Wichita KS 67226 (316)636-8783 Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com " 8650,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes: >In <1r3efjINN3jj@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu writes: >> Thomas Parsli writes: >> >I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... >> >> In Texas, you cannot carry a handgun. Period. Either concealed or open. > Currently, there is a bill before the Texas legislature that would make it >legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons. I don't have the >details, sorry. >semper fi, >Jammer Jim Miller >Texas A&M University '89 and '91 >________________________________________________________________________________ > I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. >""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" > ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" > ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph If I recall correctly, the bill would provide for concealed carry if the person takes a 15-hr DPS safety course in firearms and pays a $150 fee for the license. The bill is apparently veto-proof in the House, but LtGov Bullock has said it will never come to the floor of the Senate and Dreamboat Annie has vowed to veto it if it comes to her desk. *shrug* aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 8651,0,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?! Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 38 >In article kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes: >>Atheists are not >>mentioned in the Quran because from a Quranic point of view, and a >>minute's reasoning, one can see that there is no such thing. I guess that's why scientists probably aren't mentioned either. Or stock brokers. Or television repairmen. It's precious to know just how deep the brainwashing from childhood ( that it takes to progress a religion ) cleans away a very substantial part of the reasoning neurons. But don't mind me; I don't exist. -jim halat " 8652,16,"From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) Subject: Re: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 26 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rever.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Entropic Destroyer (loki@acca.nmsu.edu) wrote: : I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific : refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to : email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of : the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as : well. Thanks to all who responded. The letter has been written (making liberal use of info provided by various net.folks) and handed to the paper. I'll post if it gets into the paper! --Dan -- DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.1 mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a 1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4= =S5ib -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- " 8653,10,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Brad Gibson (gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca) wrote: [Much text deleted] : plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. Not necessarily the most misleading, but you are right, it definitely needs to be taken in the proper perspective. A shining example is if you look at the Penguins individual +/-, you will find very few minuses. That only makes common sense, since they didn't lose many games. : Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice : time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out : in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up : against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would : much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious : merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. Unfortunately, you will need to keep a ridiculous number of stats to really come up with a statistic which really shows a player's value. Let's just enjoy the game and not overanalyze it. (like I'm doing now, excuse me!) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 8654,8,"From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA Lines: 25 In article viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: > >mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in, >just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a >fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me! When I saw her jump >the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead >of me but a good forty to the side. Damn cow literally chased me >down and nailed me. No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a >severely annoyed rider were the only casualties. If I had my >shotgun I'd still be eating steak. Nope, if 2200lbs of cow >can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more >manueverable dog. Just run them over. > One day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and noticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at my friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire fence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to untrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him (seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had vanished (into the field I guess). Jolly Roger " 8655,1,"From: scott@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov (Michael Scott) Subject: Canon copier-printer/postscript questions. Nntp-Posting-Host: fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center Lines: 53 Printer model and specification: Canon CLC 500 (Color Laser Copier) ps-ipu unit (postscript intelligent processing unit) Hello, We have recently purchased a very expensive and nice color copier/printer. We want to be able to print to it from our SGI iris network. The copier/printer has both a parallel and SCSI interface. I have configured the printer with the ""lp"" system using the parallel interface and can print postscript files to the printer. I can also print rgb files, but these are in turn converted to postscript by an internal filter. The Canon CLC 500 is a publication quality printer but the quality of our postscript printouts are less than acceptable. We create the postscript files with a variaty of programs, such as showcase, xv, and tops. When we convert to postscript with tops and use the -l option to specify the halftone screen density of 98 rather than the default 40 the output is better, but still much less that acceptable. Note, that we are starting with a screen image in rgb image format and translating the image into postscript. We suspect that if we could use the SCSI interface we would get higher quality pictures. We have not purchased the software that drives the printer from the SCSI port. To my knowledge this software is $5000 and does not come with a warranty. The management here does not want to spend this much money without some assurance that the product will work. Here my questions: If anybody on the net uses this printer are you using the SCSI or parallel port? What is the quality of the printouts? Is there a way to create high quality postscript printouts? What is the limiting component, the postscript language or the postscript interpretor on the printer? The Big question: Where can I get some software to drive the SCSI port for this printer? Please email directly to me, I don't not read news on a regular basis. I will post a summary. Thanks in advance. -- E-mail: scott@ncifcrf.gov ,Phone #: (301) 846-5798 Title: Sr. Systems Manager/Analyst " 8656,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Briefing by George Stephanopoulos 4.15.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 1135 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS The Briefing Room 1:04 P.M. EDT MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Good afternoon. Q Could we do this on the lawn? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That would be nice. Let's go out to the cherry blossoms. We'll do like the President. Q Is the stimulus package dead? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Absolutely not. Q Can you tell us more about the Dole talks? You said it was a good visit, but no compromise. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. The President had a good talk with Senator Dole last night. I think that as we said before, there were no specific compromises on either side, although it was a very good discussion about the jobs package and about other issues as well. As you know, the President first called Senator Dole I believe Tuesday night to talk about the Russian aid package. They did not speak -- Senator Dole called him back Wednesday morning -- when the President was out. Instead he spoke with Tony Lake, and at the close of that conversation, indicated that he wanted to speak to the President about the jobs and stimulus package. They finally talked about that yesterday afternoon. At the close of that discussion they said that they would have another talk last night, which they did, when the Senator was up in New Hampshire. And although there were no specific compromises made on either side, they did say that they would continue to have some discussions. And that's where we are. Q Well, who is giving in? Where is it standing --are both making concessions? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know that it's at that phase. No compromise has been made. As the President has said consistently, he intends to come forward with an adjusted package. He believes in the package, but he believes that if it's going to take adjustments to get the minority to release it, he's willing to make those adjustments. Q On the subject of a VAT -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, boy. Q Can we stay on this for one more minute? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sure. Q We have a problem with the five minutes -- Q I know no decisions have been made, but what would lead the health group to believe that a VAT might be necessary? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sorry, Andrea, I'm not going to go down that road. No decisions have been made. As the President said this morning, a number of groups, a number of members of Congress, a number of other organizations have recommended that this be looked at. The working group is looking at it, but no decisions have been made. Q To follow, have they done that directly through him? Have labor and business groups been in touch with the President about it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not to my knowledge, although there's a lot of people who have public decisions in support of the VAT. But the President has not made a decision. Q At the meetings that he's had with his own task force advisers, have they discussed the funding issue and what the possible options would be? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think that that has been presented for a decision, no. Q Not for a decision, but has it been discussed as an option? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, there are a lot of levels of briefing. I do not believe that the VAT has been presented to the President as, okay, this is something for you to decide on. Q You're not saying he didn't know it was being considered, though, are you? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, he said it's being considered. Q He knew that. Q But has he discussed that with his advisers? That's what I'm asking. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has said it's being considered. I do not know what level of discussion there has been over the VAT. It is something the working groups are looking at. I don't even know that it's -- Q But he didn't say he was considering, did he, at this stage? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, he is not. I think we're getting into something of a metaphysical debate right here. What is considered -- Q Well, he is the one who said, I haven't reviewed it. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That is true. That is what I just repeated. Q George, is there any concern here that as a result of the definite statement he made in February and the promise that if it were to be considered he'd let us know, and having it trickle out the way it did, that there may now be the development of a credibility gap on this issue and others? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think so. I mean, it is now public knowledge that this is being considered. Q Is he or you at all embarrassed about the absolute statements that were made from this platform to the effect that it was off the table and was not being considered, and then to have it come out not from you people, but -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, wait a second. It came out from the administration. What are you talking about? Q What I'm saying is, though, that the President said he would let us know. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right. Q You people then said -- you said, I believe, that it's not going to be on the program. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: On March 25th. Q On March 25th. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Circumstances change. Q Well, I understand. But we have to find that out by rooting around in the fine print of an interview MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Rooting around -- I know you did do a very good job there to read the USA Today article. But this is -- (laughter) -- the Deputy Director of the OMB and the Secretary of Health and Human Services. I mean, that is common anytime you guys write a story that has an unattributed quote from somebody in the Clinton administration, the headline is -- I'll look at it right here, and AP story -- ""Clinton wants more money for spying."" Q What about his remark that if it were being considered, he'd tell us about it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: And the administration's concerned, and he'd let you know. Q And did he? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Absolutely. What did he say this morning? Q It had to be dragged out of you here yesterday. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It didn't have to be dragged out of me. We had the Deputy Director of the OMB, we had the Secretary of Health of Human Services say it was being considered. That is his administration. That is his administration policy. Q Were these authorized trial balloons, or were they orchestrated leaks? I mean, what was the -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They were asked questions, they answered the questions. Q You're saying here that it didn't have to be dragged out, that you more or less made it clear yesterday you were considering it. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Absolutely. I was very clear. Painfully clear. Q Was there a particular political strategy in making it clear the administration is considering a new tax increase on tax day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, it was just this issue is being considered. They were asked if it was being considered; they answered that it was being considered. Q George, The New York Times -- Q Why do it yesterday? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They were asked. Q The New York Times reports today that Secretary Reich and the chief economist at the Labor Department used apples and oranges numbers in order to portray last month's unemployment figures in a way that was supportive of the President's job stimulus bill, but which turned out to be totally false. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if it was totally false, but I think -- (laughter) -- the chief economist at the Labor Department did grant that it was an inappropriate mixing, and they say that. Q The question is, is the President concerned about behavior that amounts to corrupting government data? And what's he doing about it, if so? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The chief economist has said that a mistake was made, it won't happen again, and that's the end of the matter. Q Isn't that the same information that goes to the President? Q If I could go back to the stimulus package -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: There's two separate pieces of information. I think that's where the confusion was. Q When did you all first learn about this mistake that was made? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I read the article this morning. Q And as far as you know, is the President aware of it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think so. Q And was he aware of it before he read about it in The New York Times? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know. Not to my knowledge. Q Did you ever hear about it before this morning? Anything? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I didn't. Q Wasn't the President given an erroneous spin on this for his own purpose? For his speeches, for his arguments? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well again, I'm not sure. Both statements are true. What the Labor Department has granted is that mixing them in one sentence, essentially, was misleading. They said it was a mistake. They said they wouldn't do it again. Q Did they drop it -- is this something that you choose to spin or make an issue of? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Whenever fewer people are out of work, we're gratified. But that doesn't take away from the need to get this jobs package going. Q If I could go back to the stimulus package for a minute. You said that the President plans to come forward with an amendment. Is the timetable still what it was -- that the amendment would be laid down on Monday and voted on on Tuesday, or did he, in the conversation with Dole, talk about the possibility of putting that off for a few more days to give more time for the discussion? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think at this point there's no changes in the schedule at all. I don't know that they discussed the timing like that. Q Do you believe that you're closer or getting closer this week than you were last week? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I believe that we're going to pass a jobs package. The President is prepared to make adjustments in order to get that to happen. I don't know where the votes are on cloture at this particular time. I don't know what's going to happen until we have a vote. But the President believes deeply in this jobs package and wants to get it done. Q Has there been any indication that this situation has changed? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're going to continue to work on it. We'll know when the votes are taken. Q George, last week you said that there are -- or various people in the administration were saying that you couldn't go through Dole, you were going to have to try and go around him because he was immovable on this subject of a compromise, or at least the compromise he wanted was not anything like the one that you could accept. This week you're talking to him. Is that because you've realized that the peeling off effort wasn't going to work? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's because Senator Dole wanted to talk to the President about the stimulus package. Q He initiated the conversation? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Secretary Reich this morning said that, in fact, the President is not willing to compromise on this bill at all. You say he's making -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know that that's exactly what he said. I think he said he didn't have any indication that there was any compromises yet or that there would be a compromise, and the President doesn't want to compromise. And the President doesn't want to compromise. But if he has to make adjustments to get it through, he will. Q Officials here yesterday said that Panetta was working on a series of adjustments that might be made public before the actual vote. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's possible. Q Today? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure exactly when that will happen, but I think that it's very possible that we'll come forward with some sort of a different package, or Senate Democrats will come forward with some sort of a different package in order to get it passed. Q As we understood his conversations with Dole, the first one was some discussion of this and I'll get back to you tonight with some details or some adjustments, or whatever the phrase is. Did he offer him some details or some adjustments? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think it's a question of how detailed. I mean, I think they had a general discussion about the package last night, subsequent to their conversation yesterday afternoon. I believe that there will be follow-up discussions today in the Senate, not necessarily between the President and Senator Dole. And let me just reiterate, neither side has made specific compromises at this date. When we have something we'll let you know. And I'm not suggesting that Senator Dole has accepted anything that we've talked about or that we've offered anything in a hard way. Q What are the follow-up discussions if not the President and Dole? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think Senator Mitchell is going to talk to Senator Dole. Q Is that a threat? (Laughter.) Q Did the President say to Senator Dole, all right, how about this number as an overall size, or did Dole say to the President, I can go as high as this? Did they talk numbers? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think it was a negotiation in that respect. It was more of a discussion about their positions. Q Did they discuss actual numbers? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm just not sure. I know they talked about the basic outlines of the packages. I think they talked about the programs they cared about. I don't know if they got to the level of this many x-billion dollars. Q Does Dole have to sign off before there is a package? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, of course not. Q Did the White House have anything to do with the protesters who showed up in New Hampshire today where Senator Dole was speaking? Was that in any way organized by -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not to my knowledge, no. Q And has the President been in touch with Senators Kohl or Feingold? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think he's talked to them, no. Q George, is the President considering the more palatable fact of having a national sales tax instead of having the haves having to continuously pay for the have-nots? And is he going to scrap his proposed tax on the privileged few, with the haves having to pay for the have-nots? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President believes deeply that the tax rates on upper income Americans, as he presented in his budget, should go up. And I think for the second half of your question, I'll refer you to my briefing from yesterday. Q George, on the subject of accuracy in information, you suggested the other day that the stimulus package included money that would solve the water problem in Milwaukee. Apparently that is not true. It's actually waste water money. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's waste water money for Wisconsin, and some could go to Milwaukee. Q But it would not affect the drinking water problem because it's waste water money, right? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It would affect the water treatment overall. Q But the implication from your statement the other day was that it would help fix this disease problem in Milwaukee now. Would you agree that's not the case? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure of the specifics. I know that it goes to the overall water treatment in Wisconsin. Q A leftover question from this morning, which was, when did the President find out that the task force was deliberating on a VAT? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure exactly when. I just don't know. I assume it came up over the last -- certainly between the time that we had commented on in the past and two days ago. Q So sometime since March 25th? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that's right. I don't know the exact date. Q George, the President this morning mentioned that some labor and business groups are for the VAT tax. Apparently, the National Association of Manufacturers talks about perhaps the VAT tax being okay if it replaces the BTU tax. So does the President feel that perhaps this might be in place of some other tax he's proposed, or is this totally in addition to the other taxes he's already proposed? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we've said all we have to say about the VAT at this point. I mean, there's just no -- this is being considered by the health care working groups, and that is all. The President hasn't made any further decisions beyond that. Q But it would be to finance health care, it wouldn't be to replace some other tax that finances -- it wouldn't replace the income tax, for instance? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: There have been no discussions on that. Q In terms of getting a VAT tax through Congress, Senator Dole's press release today said VAT -- on tax day. Do you think -- does it have a chance of getting through Congress? Would it have a chance? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I have no idea. Q Is that a consideration whether you all put it forward? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That would become a consideration if the President were to decide to do it. It's not in consideration now. Q You said at the beginning of the briefing that circumstances had changed and that had caused the VAT to now be under consideration. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, what the President referred to this morning. These groups came forward and said this is something that has to be considered. Q Those are the circumstances that have changed? That's the only difference between now and when he emphatically ruled it out that groups have asked it to be considered? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's what he said. Q Is that true? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Was there, in fact, some understanding that sin taxes would not produce enough money for the health care benefits? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not going to get into the deliberations. Q But, George -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No. What the consideration is, as the President said, groups came forward and said this is something you ought to consider. The working groups are looking at it. Q Is that the only thing that's changed since his prior statement and your prior statement on the VAT? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Can you explain how those groups -- how that information got to him that groups wanted it? Was it just reading the newspaper or did groups make presentations? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the groups -- as you know, the health care task force has met with dozens of groups. Q But this is the President's knowledge that these groups had come forward. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think he was referring to what was coming to the working groups. Obviously, there have also been published positions in the newspapers. Q Have certain groups briefed him on the group's presentations to them? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if they've briefed him -- I mean, how detailed the briefings have been. I know that the working groups decided to look into this after being pressed by these groups. Q What kind of arguments did the groups make that were persuasive enough that the President would change the position that he had enunciated previously? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know, it's just they've had longstanding positions that this would be a good way to finance health care. Q The President wasn't aware of those longstanding positions? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He may have been at some level. Obviously, he's been a governor for a long time and he knows the basic arguments for and against a VAT tax. Q What we're trying to figure out here -- you're telling us that the only change, the only thing that affected this change in the President's attitude toward the VAT between February and now -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President's attitude hasn't necessarily changed. I mean, he has not made a decision. Q I know, but the President said that it was off the table. So did you. And you're saying that the only thing that's changed is the positions of these groups, except you're also describing them as longstanding positions. I don't see the change. If these groups haven't had any change in their position that's been made to the President -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, they've made the presentations to the health care task force. Q There's no relationship at all between the fact that sin taxes that he had said -- suggested in February that he favored will not produce enough revenue to finance -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think he ever suggested that they would produce all the revenue. Q Well, he suggested that he thought that those were appropriate ways to finance health care. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He did say that. I don't know that he said anything to refute that. Q But, in fact, has the task force discovered that there wouldn't be enough revenue from those taxes to finance the kind of core benefits -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don't think that the task force ever suggested that there would. Q George, if he advocated a VAT tax, would that break his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for his programs? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't comment on a hypothetical situation. Q But does that promise -- would that promise not to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for the programs prevent him from seeking a VAT tax? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has made no decisions on the VAT tax. When he does, we'll tell you and we'll explain the implications then. Q Which specific groups can you cite -- business, labor or otherwise -- whose recommendations to the health care task force has prompted this consideration? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't have the specific. I just don't have that. Q George, can you tell us to what extend these other alternatives, for instance, the employer tax or the sin taxes or other financing options are also still on the table and what these options are? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, as members of the task force and representatives of the working groups have said, they are looking at a wide variety of options. I think that Ira Magaziner said that there are 20 different options under consideration. But I'm not going to comment -- Q What's the scope -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm just not going to comment on them, no. Q What's the scope of the need? How much are you talking about that has to be produced by one or a combination of the -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's what the health care task force is looking at. Q Since there's not going to be any briefing on the Miyazawa visit, two questions: One, generally what does the President hope to use that meeting for, but more specifically, is his task complicated by the Japanese anger over the Vancouver note and the remark about market access at the press conference? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The Vancouver note? Q Does no mean yes. Q Yes and no. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I don't know. I saw the Prime Minister's press conference where he was asked the question about that note and he gave a very gracious and complete answer when he was asked the question. The questions of trade are something that certainly will be discussed between the Prime Minister and the President. There is obviously a trade imbalance between Japan and the U.S. that we want to do something about. Q Also in those comments the Prime Minister made he suggested that the United States should come down heavy on him in terms of trade. Are you going to oblige? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the President will state our views on trade very clearly and our views on the trade deficit very clearly. I don't necessarily want to agree with your characterization of the Prime Minister's comments. Q that we need specific export targets, specific numerical targets -- is that what he's going to discuss with Miyazawa? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They're going to have a broad discussion of a wide range of trade issues. I don't want to get into those specifics until after the meeting. Q Why? Q That's the crux of the issue, right? Whether or not -- does the President believe that without specific numerical targets, it is really, as he said in his press conference, sort of hopeless that this is going to change very much? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President believes that we must have pressure on Japan to turn the trade imbalance around. I do not want to get into the specifics of how that would be done. Q But does the President believe that their stimulus package announced yesterday will rectify the imbalance? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think, first, the President wants to get a full briefing on the stimulus package from Prime Minister Miyazawa himself, and then he'll make the comment on it. Q How about the Russian aid package? There seems to be some confusion about how the U.S. views that, Secretary Christopher saying -- or Bentsen saying the Japanese may need to do more, the Japanese saying that that's not what they heard? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, we're going to continue to work with all our allies in the G-7, and we're going to continue to press for help for Russian reform, Russian democratic reform. And I think that, so far, we had a very good announcement out of Tokyo and we're going to continue to work with our allies for bilateral packages. Q Do you think the Japanese need to do more? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're going to continue to work with all our allies to do as much as we can. Q Secretary Christopher was asked today on the Today Show this morning what he thought of Margaret Thatcher's comments on the Bosnia policy. And he said, ""It's a rather emotional response."" MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Over an emotional issue. Q Right -- to an emotional problem. Does the White House condone that kind of remark? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that Secretary Christopher's remarks speaks for itself. The President believes also that this is a deeply troubling situation that we're trying to find answers for. Q But that specific -- ""rather emotional response"" -- specific term? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, it speaks for itself. Q In connection with that, doesn't it seem that with the numbers of people who are being killed at this very moment, is it good American policy to put off some decisions that might be made now to help Boris Yeltsin win a referendum? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: For example? Q To take stronger action, to take military action -- air strikes, anything that can be done? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President believes that what must be done now is to push harder for sanctions. He is also -- as you know, the administration has been discussing lifting the arms embargo. He believes those are the appropriate ways to increase pressure at this time. Q What is your response to the critics who would say that the U.S. is now stymied by trying to help Boris Yeltsin retain the presidency? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They're wrong. We're pressing hard for the Serbs to come to the negotiating table. We're pressing hard for increased sanctions, and we're talking to our allies about the arms embargo. Q You were putting great store in Vance and Owen getting people to agree to that. Now, Vance and Owen have both said that military force to some extent would be acceptable. Does that change your thinking? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Clearly, we're going to listen to whatever people who have put so much time into a situation have to say. But at this point, the President is moving forward on sanctions and talking about the arms embargo. Q A follow-up on a Dee Dee comment this morning. She said she would be able to provide some administration officials who could document the effect the sanctions are having in Bosnia. Are you going to be able to do that, or do you have anything -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think that's what she said. Q That's exactly what she said. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think that's true. But what she said -- we would look into the situation of what kind of evidence can be provided in Bosnia. Obviously, if there are connections between the Bosnian Serbs and the Serbs in Belgrade and we are tightening the screws on the Serbs in Belgrade, that will have an effect over time. I do not know day by day, minute by minute, what kind of help is being given between the two and what the exact effect has been. But, clearly, we are slowing the shipment of goods into Belgrade. We are having an effect on the Serbs there. What kind of effect that will eventually have on the Bosnian Serbs I don't know. But one thing I would say is if it were having no effect at all, I don't know why they'd be fighting it so much. Q Are the First Lady's tax returns going to be released? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think there's a joint tax return. And it will be probably later today. Q Is the President considering signing an executive order banning discrimination against homosexuals in the federal work force as part of the gay rights march here next week? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think there's any proposal for that at this time, not that I know of. Q It's something that the President promised during the campaign that he would do. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I have not seen any -- I don't think it's anything that's on his plate right now. Q Is he meeting with gay rights leaders at any point on this issue? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about on this issue. I assume that he'll meet with representatives of the gay and lesbian community sometime soon, as he meets with representatives of lots of different groups and communities. Q Do you know if that's scheduled -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's probably going to be tomorrow. Q Probably going to be tomorrow? (Laughter.) Q It's a good thing you asked. Q Who's probably going to be there? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know. Q How long -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know. That's all I know. Q Do you know if it's at 3:00 p.m. tomorrow? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know what time it is. I don't even know for sure if it's going to be tomorrow. Q Environmental groups have asked him to make a major speech next week of some kind. Is that going to happen, do you know? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if they've asked, but I think the President has always planned, as he did last year, to give a speech on Earth Day and I expect that he will. If it's not exactly on Earth Day, it might be a day before or something like that. Q Is he planning to sign or announce the signing of the biodiversity treaty in connection with Earth Day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don't know the specific timing of something like that, but it's certainly something under discussion and something we've been working on. Q Campaign finance reform? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're working on it. Q Do you think it will be next week? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm just not sure. Q The biodiversity treaty is something you're working on? I missed the question. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, something we're working on. He asked if it was ready to be signed, and I said I didn't know anything about that but it's something we've certainly been working on. Q Do you know what organizations might be represented in this meeting with the gay and lesbian groups? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't. Q Do you know if he is going to reconsider being out of town on the day of the march? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's got to be at the Senate meeting in Jamestown, and I believe he's also going to be giving a speech to the American Association of Newspaper Publishers in Boston on Sunday, as he did last year. Q Would you have told us if she had not pressed you on the question? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: On what? Q On the gays. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: When we went through the President's schedule for the day, certainly. Q? George, what day is the publisher's speech? Is that Sunday? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think it's a Sunday. Q And Saturday he'll be in Jamestown? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q So you're just going to be in Jamestown for one day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, I'm not sure. I don't know how long the Senate thing goes. It might go overnight. I just don't know. Q You would have made the gay meeting public, right? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm certain if we had the meeting -- I don't know about open to the press, but we would have told you about it. Q I mean, because it is, as far as I can tell, the first time in history a President has met in the Oval Office with -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I didn't say it was going to be in the Oval Office. (Laughter.) But I didn't -- I'm not say that it's not, but I didn't say that it was. (Laughter.) Q at the White House in the Bush administration gay officials were invited to a bill signing ceremony and the White House had to repudiate having done that. So I just wanted to make sure -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the President wouldn't do anything like that. Q Certainly not. Q What marching orders did the President give to General Vessey? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They had a very good discussion for about half an hour today. He wanted -- the most important thing was he had a full accounting for American POWs and MIAs. He will obviously look into the circumstances surrounding this new document. The President stressed that he wanted the fullest possible accounting and said that only when we have that can we even consider any changes in our policy towards Vietnam. He'll be looking at Vietnam's response to the questions raised by the document and he'll also look into investigations on discrepancy cases, increased efforts on remains, implementing trilateral investigations -- and access to military archives. And Ambassador Toon also briefed the President on the activities of the joint commission and on the document. Q Vietnam says it's a fake. What is the DOD analysis at this stage? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's not completed yet, and it's also the first thing that General Vessey will bring up with the Vietnamese. Q A number of Defense officials have been saying that they think that the 600 or so prisoners referred to are, in fact, non-Americans that the Vietnamese had captured who they referred to as Americans from time to time. Do people -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We don't have any final determination. We're going to wait for the complete review; when we have it, we'll make a judgment. Q I know you don't have any final determination, but given all of the intense public interest in this, do you think that that's a likely possibility? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I just don't want to characterize it in any way until the review is complete. Q George, was there a topic scheduled for the speech in Boston? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No. Q Is the President going to have a press conference tomorrow with Miyazawa? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think so, but I'm not positive. Yes, I expect, yes. Q Was Toon in with Vessey? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q He was in on the meeting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q What was the question? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Was Ambassador Toon in with Vessey, and the answer is yes. Q Do you have any response to The Wall Street Journal report this morning the President's distressed about some of his press clippings and that perhaps he's distressed with you about that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No. Well, I do have a response. I think the article was highly misleading to the extent that it implied that the President has had restricted access to the press. I would point out that he's answered 358 questions on 77 occasions, more than any of his predecessors. I would also point out it also -- Q How many questions? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Three hundred fifty-eight, on 77 occasions. Q How many were while he was jogging? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, that's actually a very good question, Andrea. And I would point out further that the article also implied that these questions were only answered at tightly controlled photo opportunities, which is just patently false. He's had 13 press conferences in either the East Room, the Oval Office or the Roosevelt Room or the Briefing Room, in addition to questions taken at photo opportunities, and that is only the -- Q Oval Office press conference -- when was that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's answered questions in the -- East Room. He's had five in the East Room, he's had one in the Oval Office, he's had one in the Rose Garden, he's had one or two in the Roosevelt Room. And this is just to the White House, Washington Press Corps. In addition to that, he's had 17 interviews with local television anchors. He's met with the editorial board of The Portland Oregonian. He's had an hour-long interview with Dan Rather. He's had interviews with local press from California, Florida and Connecticut -- Q Can you address the question of the attitude? The article implies that he doesn't -- Q Why doesn't he like us? (Laughter.) Q Did you really get blamed for that Post story? Q The story is that you -- are you held responsible for it. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think I'm going to comment about this. Q Are you denying that the President has shown displeasure publicly? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I am not commenting on the discussions between the President and myself. Q Did the President write that letter to Chris Webber? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: What? Q The letter to the University of Michigan basketball player? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, yes. Q That is an authentic letter? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Since the President first talked about the VAT in February, he said at the time that he thought there probably should be exceptions made in basic necessities such as food and clothing. Does he still hold that position given the impact it could have? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I just can't comment on a proposal he hasn't made. Q George, does the President have some agenda for this meeting with the gay leaders tomorrow? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I think it will just a general meeting on the wide range of issues that they care about including AIDS and other issues -- civil rights. Q The military issue? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm certain it will come up. Q Is he using this event to name the AIDS -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't think so. Q George, what specifically is the President doing to prepare for tomorrow's meeting with the Prime Minister Miyazawa? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's had briefing memos. He's had general discussions with members of the Treasury Department, the Trade Representative and others. Q report yet? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if he has the report referred to in The Times, but Ambassador Kantor was here to brief him today. Q He was? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Does he intend to use any of these instances that -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don't know that the report's been presented. But obviously, the President will press hard in any case where he thinks that a violation has occurred. Q In terms of the Wall Street Journal, the thrust was that there's a real schism here -- a hostility. Do you think he feels that way? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not at all. As I said on the record in the article, I think the President likes reporters. Again, I think that the thrust of the article was still misleading. The thrust of the article was that in some way, some attitude which the President may or may not have is affecting access when, in fact, he has the most open, accessible administration than have any in recent history. Q Can we come up to your office? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: If you're invited. THE PRESS: Thank you. END 1:34 P.M. EDT #57-04/15 " 8657,15,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jesus in your heart..."" Organization: trunking_fixed Lines: 34 |whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes: | |> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. |> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject |> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. | |Your logic is falty. If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we |die, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that |while you are alive you enjoy yourself. | Pardon the harshness that follows... Once, I told a cradle christian: Please do not take advantage of Jesus or anybody for the sake of your own (selfish) realization or search for true faith/religion/belonging/'being in'/fear of hell/vanity/etc. Instead of serving yourself, _we must be serving Him_. *Until you have comprehended this truth, you are only doing things for your own egoism.* Let us not use Jesus, our religion, the Bible, anything or anybody as a means of escape or getting ecstatic or high. We are God's children and we must have a true and authentic relationship with our Father with obedience, faith, hope and love and works (the last as the most important). Beware of our 'materialistic', 'worldly' and 'selfish' motives. Atheists have this ground against us and I believe they are right about *some* who call themselves 'christians'. -Marida ""...spreading Gods words through actions..."" -Mother Teresa " 8658,5,"From: klute@tommy.INformatik.uni-dortmund.DE (Rainer Klute) Subject: Imake support for xmosaic Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu Imake support for xmosaic ========================= Although xmosaic is a great program in general, it unfortunately comes without Imake support. So I created one. Until Marc Andreessen finds the time to incorporate it in an official xmosaic release, you can easily do it yourself. Use anonymous FTP to get ftp.germany.eu.net:/pub/X11/misc/xmosaic.Imake.tar.z The file's size is 3200 Byte. You will need gzip to unpack it. Have fun! -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund " 8659,11,"From: schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) Subject: ISSA '93 Conference Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Distribution: usa Lines: 4 If there is anyone attending the ISSA conference in Arlington, VA next week, I would appreciate them getting in touch with me. Bruce " 8660,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Nazi Armenian Philosophy: Race above everything and before everything. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 155 In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: > Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART > of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and > review the HISTORY. If a 'dog's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky. Did you know that the word 'Karabag' itself is a 'Turkish' name? Before 1827, before the Russians and their 'zavalli kole' Armenians, drove all the Turks/Muslims out, it was a Turkish majority town. Well, anyway, it is not surprising that Armenians also collaborated with the Nazis. ""Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient.""[1] [1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438. As a dear friend put it, the Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots) was the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was based in Boston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) but had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally Tzeghagron means 'to make a religion of one's race.' The architect of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II. In 1933, he had been invited to the United States by the Central Committee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20 chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization. Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy: ""The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity. Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first.""[1] [1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), ""The Armenian Displaced Persons,"" in 'Armenian Affairs,' Winter, 1949-50, p. 19, footnote. Now wait, there is more. THE GRUESOME extent of February's killings of Azeris by Armenians in the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about 600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the four-year war over Nagorny Karabakh. The figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials and casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid workers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates. The 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of the last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control of Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations in Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting retreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the dead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first suppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku. Later it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken Azerbaijan's wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000 dead. The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a 15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the ""Hojali Disaster"", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on preliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in the Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more than 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700 dead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman of the Azeri Ministry of Defence. FranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International Red Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of Agdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque from Hojali, most of them civilians. ""We did not count the bodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy,"" Mr Zen Ruffinen said. ""We have some idea since we gave the body bags and products to wash the dead."" Mr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the number of dead in the massacre. ""Don't get worked up. It will take several months to get a final figure,"" the 43-year-old lawyer said at his small office. Mr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to reach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714 wounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist uprising in Baku in January 1990. Those nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power three weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly what happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70 miles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians. Officially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being the number of people that could be medically examined by the republic's forensic department. ""This is just a small percentage of the dead,"" said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic's chief forensic scientist. ""They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the chaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury our dead within 24 hours."" Of these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14 years old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and axes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland snows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of deliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises cut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov's report. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those believed to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said. Files from Mr Rasulov's investigative commission are still disorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six policemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the names of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The most heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far comes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a helicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27 February. ""There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to count properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream and the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village,"" Mr Manafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter pilot. ""People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and one two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was pulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but Armenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to return."" There has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in circulation because of the political upheavals of the last few months and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali at the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages taken over by Armenian forces. THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 8661,8,"From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) Subject: Help with backpack Keywords: backpack, rucksack, knee protection Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: kin.lap.upenn.edu As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made... Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12"" high) and was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest. Any one have any experiences on such experimentation? Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, do I still increase my chances of surfing? Collective r.m. wisdom requested. p.s. I really can't afford leather pants. Boots and jeans are all I can make do with. What you think of the knee protectors which rollerbladers use - the one L.L.Bean and like sells. Is that a Bad Idea (tm). Are there any equivalents? -- '81 CB650 DoD #1224 I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous! " 8662,5,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e) Organization: western geophysical exploration products Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com In-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT >>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said: Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not working properly with shared libraries. I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches. For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is going on. ....following up on this, the specific error I get is: Could not load program ./xset Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o] Error was: Exec format error -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 " 8663,8,From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: world Organization: NOT Lines: 9 cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes: ]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho. I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling... -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org 8664,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 57 Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to easy-to-break inverters. Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for e-mail and files, let's focus on this. One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and cordless phones. ------- Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure without access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable escrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the week, and that system has worked pretty well. From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in return we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly skilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. ------ In discussing this, let's try to avoid the nastiness, personal attacks and noise of some previous threads. This is a substantive and technical issue, and personal remarks have no place in such a discussion. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 8665,3,"From: poe@wharton.upenn.edu Subject: AMD i486 clones: Now legal in US?!?!?! Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.wharton.upenn.edu A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. Can anyone out there verify this? Thanks in advance Phil " 8666,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: >>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>>I am quite interested in it. >>>Thanks! >>>Darren Gibbons >>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca >> >> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? >Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same >chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily >be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. >Craig I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu *******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** " 8667,14,"Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) Distribution: world Organization: Muppet Labs Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr22.213815.12288@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: > >> ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! > >If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that >McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the >choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this >guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? > >It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what >are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small >wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we >have the problems that we do. > >[In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was >quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.] Was that post for real? I thought it was a late April Fool joke. Some of it seemed a bit over the top even by McElwaine/Abian/etc standards :-) -- ... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ............ alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ... ""And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time and lost in space"" (RHPS) " 8668,14,"From: will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Ryukoku Univ., Seta, Japan Lines: 4 Thanks for the Update. Will... " 8669,12,"From: geva@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Geva Patz) Subject: How do I make me own really-short-run CD's Summary: I want a really short production run of homemade music CDs -- how? Keywords: CD mastering pressing homebrew short-run music Lines: 13 Organization: Wits University Electrical Engineering I want to be able to take a bunch of home-made songs (from DAT or other suitable master) and output them to a short run (10-20 off) of standard music CDs. Would one of the CD recorders designed for writeable CD ROMs work for this purpose? Alternatively, is there a service that does this sort of thing for a fee? I'm after as much information as possible on the alternatives (cost, lead time, equipment required, procedure to follow, etc.) Email replies would be appreciated. %%%% Geva Patz Geva Department of Computer Science, WITS University %%%% geva@concave.cs.wits.ac.za " 8670,6,"From: Doug_Akerman@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Doug Akerman) Subject: commodoree Distribution: world Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch Lines: 15 I have a wonderful Commodore 128 for sale!!!! Also included: 1571 disk drive color moniter power supply (great shape) software joysticks 2 300 baud modems (old, but useable) contact doug (906) 487-0369 or (815) 623-6447 -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 " 8671,0,"Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 26 In article <1pik3i$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >In article , bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >|> >|> >|> Why do you spend so much time posting here if your atheism is so >|> incidental, if the question of God is trivial? Fess up, it matters to >|> you a great deal. > >Ask yourself two questions. > > 1. How important is Mithras in your life today? > > 2. How important would Mithras become if there was a > well funded group of fanatics trying to get the > schools system to teach your children that Mithras > was the one true God? > >jon. Right on, Jon! Who cares who or whose, as long as it works for the individual. But don't try to impose those beliefs on us or our children. I would add the well-funded group tries also to purge science, to deny children access to great wonders and skills. And how about the kids born to creationists? What a burden with which to begin adult life. It must be a cruel awakening for those who finally see the light, provided it is possible to escape from the depths of this type of ignorance. " 8672,13,"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Patient-Physician Diplomacy Article-I.D.: pitt.19422 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 22 In article hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes: >In article <188@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes: > >>Ditto. Disease is a great leveling experience, however. Some people >>are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world >>does not buy one health. Everyone looks the same when they die. > >If money does not buy one health, why are we talking about paying >for medical expenses for those not currently ""adequately covered""? Herman, I would think you of all people would/could distinguish between ""health"" and ""treatment of disease."" All the prevention medicine people preach this all the time. You cannot buy health. You can buy treatment of disease, assuming you are lucky enough to have a disease which can be treated. A rich person with a terminal disease is a bit out of luck. There is no such thing as ""adequately covered"" and there never will be. And for what it's worth, I'll be the first to admit that all my patients die. -km " 8673,6,"From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Lines: 19 adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: >In article <1pctnfINN6dp@eve.usc.edu>, yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes: >> MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45 >> (opened, unregistered) >So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to? >How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will? >Any other nice/nasty features? According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it. For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able to create, however. :-) -- Tom Hatton hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu (415)-476-8693 " 8674,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) Organization: The Internet Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, dyoung@media.mit.edu # #I'm trying to write some code that lets me draw lines and do rubber-band #boxes in Motif/X. I'm running on an 8-bit display for which I've created a #colormap and am using almost all of the colors. I want to draw the lines #in a drawing area widget -- a widget in which I'm displaying a bitmap using #XPutImage(). If doesn't matter if the lines I draw interactively stay #around when the window is refreshed. # #Currently, to draw interactively, I begin with: # # /* drawIndex is an colortable index I reserve for the Foreground */ # /* my_default_bg_color is the color index for the background of my image */ # palette_colors[drawIndex].red = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].red; # palette_colors[drawIndex].green = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].green; # palette_colors[drawIndex].blue = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].blue; # XStoreColors( myDisplay, my_cmap, &palette_colors[DrawIndex], 1); # XFlush( myDisplay); # # XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); # XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); # #Then to draw I do: # # XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); # XFlush( myDisplay); # #And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: # # XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); # # #What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of #whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If #the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are #over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor #function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and #redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). # #Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? # I believe for this to work on a color display you must set the foreground of the GC to be (foreground^background). Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 8675,5,"From: win@athen.sto.mchp.sni.de (Andrea Winkler) Subject: X and Security / X Technical Conference Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS Lines: 31 I had no possibility to join the 7th annual X Technical Conference January 18-20 1993 Boston, MA Nevertheless, I'm interested in information about the tutorials, exspecially about Tutorial ID: A-SECURITY Title: A Survey of X and Security Tutorial ID: F-ADMIN Title: X and the Administrator Does anybody know, where I can get information (paper/mail) about these ? Has anybody information about Kerberos (escpecially in connection with X Display Manager xdm)? Thanks, Andrea Winkler (Siemens Nixdorf Muenchen, Germany) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ S I E M E N S Andrea Winkler Internet: Andrea.Winkler@sto.mchp.sni.de ------------- SNI STO XS 322 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 D-8000 Munich 83 N I X D O R F Phone:(089)636-41449 FAX: (089)636-42833 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 8676,1,"From: oehler@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Wonko the Sane) Subject: 48-bit graphics... Keywords: 48-bit alpha channel IMAGE Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 15 I was recently talking to a possible employer ( mine! :-) ) and he made a reference to a 48-bit graphics computer/image processing system. I seem to remember it being called IMAGE or something akin to that. Anyway, he claimed it had 48-bit color + a 12-bit alpha channel. That's 60 bits of info--what could that possibly be for? Specifically the 48-bit color? That's 280 trillion colors, many more than the human eye can resolve. Is this an anti-aliasing thing? Or is this just some magic number to make it work better with a certain processor. Also, to settle a bet with my roommate, what are SGI's flagship products? I know of Iris, Indigo, and Crimson, but what are the other ones, and which is their top-of-the-line? (sadly, I have access to none of them. Just a DEC 5000/25. Sigh.) Eric Oehler oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu " 8677,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Hitler - pagan or Christian? (Was: Martin Luther...) <93074.033230KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> <9c9e02703ak901@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 10 In article <9c9e02703ak901@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes: >In article <93074.033230KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: >>The Irish have their version of the swastica called St. Brigid's cross. >There's also the three-legged symbol of the Isle of Man. The three-legged symbol is a bit different, there is a word for them but I can't recall it, tri something, trieskalon?, don't know. These have more to do with the triple goddess in her three phases as reflected in females: girl-woman-crone. " 8678,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The museum of 'BARBARISM'. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 215 In article v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes: >What about Cyprus?? The majority of the population is christian, but >your fellow Turkish friends DID and STILL DOING a 'good' job for you >by cleaning the area from christians. All your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. The people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop Makarios. Following the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right given by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently and conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island since 1571. The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the 'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences for this irresponsible conduct. THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM 2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus It is the house of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major who was serving at the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent. During the attacks launched against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat Ilhan's wife and three children were ruthlessly and brutally killed in the bathroom, where they had tried to hide, by savage Greeks. Dr. Nihat Ilhan happened to be on duty that night, the 24th December 1963. Pictures reflecting Greek atrocities committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which has been converted into a museum. AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED BY GREEK TERRORISTS The date is the 24th of December, 1963... The onslaught of the Greeks against the Turks, which started three days ago, has been going on with all its ferocity; and defenseless women, old men and children are being brutally killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal Area of Nicosia witnesses the worst example of the Greeks savage bloodshed... The wife and the three infant children of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major on duty at the camp of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent, are mercilessly and dastardly shot dead while hiding in the bathroom of their house, by maddened Greeks who broke into their home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism. Let us now listen to the relating of the said incident told by Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded during the same terrible event. ""On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan. Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter Ishin and Mrs. Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all sitting having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain. Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open. Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard voices saying, in Greek, ""You want Taksim eh!"" and then bullets started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks, who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted. When I came to myself 2 or 3 hours later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was brutally murdered. In the street admist the sound of shots I heard voices crying ""Help, help. Is there no one to save us?"" I became terrified. I thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself under the double-bed. An our passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe, her daughter and Mrs. Novber who were all wounded. We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber and I, went out into the street hoping to find help, and walked as far as Koshklu Chiftlik. There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were operated on. When I regained my consciousness I said that there were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs. Ayshe and her daughter. After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus, Greeks arrested me at the Airport. All I have related to you above I told the Greeks during my detention. They then released me."" ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people have been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we saw some terrible sights. In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way into a house whose floors were covered with broken glass. A child's bicycle lay in a corner. In the bathroom, looking like a group of waxworks, were three children piled on top of their murdered mother. In a room next to it we glimpsed the body of a woman shot in the head. This, we were told, was the home of a Turkish Army major whose family had been killed by the mob in the first violence. Today was five days later, and still they lay there. Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the ""DAILY EXPRESS"") ""...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."" Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. Date : 1 January, 1964. IL GIARNO (Italy) THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM. Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors. Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno Date: 14 January 1964 DAILY HERALD (London) AN APPALLING SIGHT And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house. DAILY TELEGRAPH (London) GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 8679,9,"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Box score abbrev woes Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 7 Can anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make absolutely no sense? (At least in the local Gannett rag that finds its way to my door.) I must have stared at ""Cleman"" in the Mets' box for a good 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was. Wouldn't it make more sense to use ""Colemn""? Jay " 8680,2,From: Doug Ward Subject: Drivers for Stealth 24 Reply-To: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 7 I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with this video card. Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu Thank you Doug Ward 8681,1,"From: amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) Subject: Re: more on radiosity Reply-To: amann@iam.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Institute of Computer Science and Applied Mathematics, Special Interest Group Computer Graphics Lines: 80 In article 66319@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) writes: > > >In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write: >|> >|> >|> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. >|> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute >|> I finished it. >|> >|> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) >|> to finish it. > > > Are you using the traditional radiosity method, progressive refinement, or > something else in your package? > My package is based on several articles about non-standard radiosity and some unpublished methods. The main articles are: - Cohen, Chen, Wallace, Greenberg : A Progressive Refinement Approach to fast Radiosity Image Generation Computer Graphics (SIGGRAPH), V. 22(No. 4), pp 75-84, August 1988 - Silion, Puech A General Two-Pass Method Integrating Specular and Diffuse Reflection Computer Graphics (SIGGRAPH), V23(No. 3), pp335-344, July 1989 > If you need to project patches on the hemi-cube surfaces, what technique are > you using? Do you have hardware to facilitate the projection? > I do not use hemi-cubes. I have no special hardware (SUN SPARCstation). > >|> >|> In the meantime you may have a look at the file >|> Radiosity_code.tar.Z >|> located at >|> compute1.cc.ncsu.edu > > > What are the guest username and password for this ftp site? > Use anonymous as username and your e-mail address as password. > >|> >|> (there are some other locations; have a look at archie to get the nearest) >|> >|> Hope that'll help. >|> >|> Yours >|> >|> Stephan >|> > > > Thanks, Stephan. > > > Josephine Stephan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephan Amann SIG Computer Graphics, University of Berne, Switzerland amann@iam.unibe.ch Tel +41 31 65 46 79 Fax +41 31 65 39 65 Projects: Radiosity, Raytracing, Computer Graphics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8682,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: Tektronix Organization: The Internet Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: mike@hopper.virginia.edu, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu # # I remember seeing something in the X distribution mentioning support # for a Tektronix terminal in an X server. Is this accurate? # Xterm supports 401x emulation. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 8683,18,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy Article-I.D.: desire.1993Apr6.130430.8264 Organization: ACME Products Lines: 65 In article <186042@pyramid.pyramid.com>, pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) writes: > In article , ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu > (Ashish Arora) writes: > |> Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. > |> by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig > |> [...] > |> > |> > The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before > |> > the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. > |> > > |> > Brett > |> Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. > |> > |> cheers > > Actually not. Brett himself has actually posted the data previously. > What declined from 84 to 89, as I remember it, was _percent > increase_in_deficit_growth, i.e. the rate of growth of the deficit > (2nd derivative of total deficit with respect of to time) decreased. Would you please define ""nth derivative of debt""? Last time I asked you seem to have disappeared.... And it's the deficits themselves that came down to 2.9% of GNP. The numbers are posted in the previous posting. > Brett apparently has numbed himself into thinking that the deficit > declined. Cute, Paul, but with no numbers you still look foolish. > If you keep spending more than you earn, the deficit keeps > growing. Paul, like many others, is confusing the deficit with the debt. > If you keep _borrowing_ at a lesser rate than you borrowed > previously, the deficit increases. You only decrease deficits when your > income exceeds spending and you use the difference to pay off debts. Not in terms of GNP, the one universally accepted measure of deficits (at least among rigorous economists :) ... > arguments were brilliant. He confirmed, with data, what many of us know > with common sense -- the boom of the 80's has nothing to do with government > policy, particularly ""supply side"" policy, since taxes do not ""cause"" > economic activities. People cause economic activity. More can be Semantics. Lindsey proves otherwise. Taxes make people change their economic activities. Or shall we debate whether it is the gun, the bullet, or the person who does the killing? > explained by watching population waves roll through the years and > create cycles. He has made models and predictions for years well into > the middle of next century. It will be neat to see how accurate he > is. Or whether this gentleman can win the same praise as Lindsey. :) Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. " 8684,11,"From: schinagl@fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at (Hermann Schinagl) Subject: Need source of FEAL encrytion algorithm Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: fstgds15.tu-graz.ac.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hi ! I am interested in the source of FEAL encryption algorithm. Does someone of you know where I can get the source from, or where I can find documentation about FEAL. Thanks in advance Ciao Hermann Please email me !!! " 8685,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: Humans have ""gone somewhat beyond"" what, exactly? In one thread >you're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to >survive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient >being can ""definitely"" say what is right and what is wrong. So >what does this omniscient being use for a criterion? The long- >term survival of the human species, or what? Well, that's the question, isn't it? The goals are probably not all that obvious. We can set up a few goals, like happiness and liberty and the golden rule, etc. But these goals aren't inherent. They have to be defined before an objective system is possible. >How does omniscient map into ""definitely"" being able to assign >""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions? It is not too difficult, one you have goals in mind, and absolute knoweldge of everyone's intent, etc. >>Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This >>was not part of the original premise. >Well, your ""original premises"" have a habit of changing over time, >so perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the >difference is between an omniscient being be able to assign ""right"" >and ""wrong"" to actions, and telling us the result, is. Omniscience is fine, as long as information is not given away. Isn't this the resolution of the free will problem? An interactive omniscient being changes the situation. >>Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it >>is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't >>adversely affect your own, I guess). >I'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to >be implemented by this omniscient being that can ""definitely"" assign >""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions. >You tell us what type of morality that is. Well, I was speaking about an objective system in general. I didn't mention a specific goal, which would be necessary to determine the morality of an action. keith " 8686,11,"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: [EFF] Initial EFF Analysis of Clinton Privacy and Security Proposal Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 107 [An article from comp.org.eff.news, EFFector Online 5.06 - Carl] April 16, 1993 INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to robust encryption as well as law enforcement issues posed by new technology. However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the National Security Agency. The so-called ""Clipper Chip"" is an 80-bit, split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be classified, but they chips will be available to any manufacturer for incorporation into their communications products. This proposal raises a number of serious concerns . First, the Administration appears to be adopting a solution before conducting an inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper chip may not be the most secure product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes. Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards. Second, an algorithm can not be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet the Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is open to independent, expert scrutiny. Third, while the use of the split-key, dual-escrowed system may prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys? Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive individual's fifth amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy and security. However, the ""Clipper chip"" solution ought to be considered as part of the inquiry, not be adopted before the discussion even begins. DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: ESCROW The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom hold 40 bits of each key. Upon presentation of a valid warrant, the two escrow agents would have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. Most likely the Attorney General will be asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration have suggested one non-law enforcement federal agency, perhaps the Federal Reserve, and one non-governmental organization. But, there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet. Key registration would be done by the manufacturer of the communications device. A key is tied to the device, not to the person using it. CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS The Administration claims that there are no back door means by which the government or others could break the code without securing keys from the escrow agents and that the President will be told there are no back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this, Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be made public. GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al Gore, and maybe even the President. FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Jerry Berman, Executive Director Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = " 8687,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: But how do restrain unpleasant impulses? Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 46 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >In article <1993Apr13.215245.2916@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr13.083449.1058@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes: > >>>... the point is that this law protects no one but the >>>established car dealers or people with enough money to start a >>>fairly big operation all at once. Protecting these folks from >>>competition protects the rest of us from low prices and high >>>quality. > >> An excellent point. But you seem to be missing a more subtle >> point. It is not ""the government"" that should be the recipient >> of your displeasure, but the established business interests >> that influence and direct government action in this case. > >It is the government that is preventing entry to the market. The >desire of those running established businesses to prevent or >restrict the entry of competitors is an understandable, though >generally unpleasant, human failing. But without a means to act >on this desire, without a government with sufficient power to >restrict the options of the potential competitor, the >anti-competitive desire remains just an unpleasant wish. The >government is the linchpin, so we seek to disengage it so we >don't get the shaft. Once again, Mark, you don't specify the means through which the government is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto dealers. But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms, to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws, and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly designed to accomplish the opposite. jsh > >=Mark -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 8688,5,"From: pannon@bcsfse.ca.boeing.com (Joe Pannon) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: BOECOM Project - Boeing Computer Services, Seattle, Wa Lines: 14 In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: |> Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about |> $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to |> redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups |> pertaining to Motif has been high. ??? I've heard about that Italian guy distributing Motif binaries for 386BSD, but I haven't heard of anybody doing the same thing for Linux. ... and I do follow the Linux news group pretty closely. So, have I missed something? I'd LOVE to get hold of Motif libs for Linux for $100! Regards, Joe Pannon " 8689,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: :mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: : :According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off :began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh :had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. :These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of :his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar :to the way Jim Jones has been described. I don't know how accurate the documentary was; however, Koresh was never convicted of any crimes against children, nor was the BATF after him for child abuse. Their purview (in this case) is strictly in firearms violations, so this information is irrelevant to the discussion. :FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background :checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their :decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill :Koresh's own prophecy? Those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain *something*, but whether their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know. And who is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled? It only holds meaning for the nine who survived. :>Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far, :>no one else has been able to talk to them. : :So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same :details, will you believe them? *IF* they confirm the story, I probably will. Definitely not until then, however. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 8690,6,"From: aaf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Andrew Aaron Feigin) Subject: 84 Mazda Pickup, (College Pro, Student Painters, LOOK.) Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 26 84 Mazda Pickup Rebuilt engine at 60,000 miles. New Transmission, 5 speed. 88,000 miles. New brakes, new brake calipers. BRAND NEW CLUTCH, only 200 miles on it. professional ladder racks, can hold up to 6 ladders.. 4 cylinder, gets 30-35 miles to the gallon. Fog lights. Tach. Runs Great. =============== All inquires should write back or call. I will have it Saturday Afternoon, and Sunday if you would like to take a look at it. Phone: 1-215-882-3154 If your are Painting this summer, this is an excellent vehicle to use. -- ____________________________________ / /| / / | / / | ------------------------------------/ | | Andy Feigin | | | Prodigy -> rwbp88d | | " 8691,3,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: IBM value/point Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 acifuent (acifuent@isluga.puc.cl) wrote: : Hi! : I will change my 286 soon, and i read something about the ibm ps : value-point... anyone have one? the video card is really a 24 bit card? : how much cost in U.S.? : And the last question... can the ps value point 486 sx 25mhz : upgrade to a 486 dx2 66mhz??? : : Thank you veeery much in advance! : : Alejandro Cifuentes H. : acifuent@isluga.puc.cl These questions can be answered by any dealer of IBM Value Points, but, I will provide some unsolicited advice -- the most amusing kind of advice. Today (Tueday 4-6-93) IBM is supposed to officially announce the introduction of the VESA Local Bus Value Point systems. These systems still have on-board video and disk which are far better than the prior Value Point systems, and you get VESA Local Bus for (future?) upgrades. We are going to buy three of them with 17"" monitors (also a newly available), and one of the three will immediately be upgraded to UltraStor 34F caching SCSI disk controller and either the ATI GUP or the Viper graphics board. Do not buy a 486SX sytem. My personal philosophy on upgrade policy is that it is not loss-free. When you earn money you pay taxes, when you spend money you pay taxes. (i.e. they get you coming and going). Translated this means take infrequent but large steps. You are far better off short term AND long term if you avoid the SX models and go straight to the DX or DX-2 models. Gordon " 8692,5,"From: dcr@mail.ast.CAm.ac.UK (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Re: Animation Organization: The Internet Lines: 81 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I think you tried to send me a message re: the animation query I posted to comp.windows.x. I've appended what I received below. If you can remember what you typed, I'd appreciate another attempt! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- ----- Begin Included Message ----- From aol.com!Postmaster Thu Apr 22 04:47:31 1993 Received: by cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/2) id ; Thu, 22 Apr 93 04:47 BST Received: from sco1.prod.aol.net by hp81.prod.aol.net with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19251; Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:49:16 -0400 From: Postmaster@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Subject: Returned Mail Unknown Member Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:46:36 EDT Message-Id: <9304212346.tn60988@aol.com> Status: R The mail you sent could not be delivered; it was addressed to an unknown user.The text you sent follows... Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Headers ------------------------ >From uupsi7!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-mailer Wed Apr 21 23:46:29 1993 remote from aolsys Received: from uupsi7 by aolsys.aol.com id aa23625; Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:39:41 EDT Received: from EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU by uu7.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA16562 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 93 19:44:00 -0400 Received: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:58:06 -0400 Received: from ENTERPOOP.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:58:05 -0400 Received: by enterpoop.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA15705; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:57:34 -0400 Received: from USENET by enterpoop with netnewsfor xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu (xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu);contact usenet@enterpoop if you have questions. To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 15:46:20 GMT From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Message-Id: <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Subject: Animation with XPutImage()? ----- End Included Message ----- " 8693,8,"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: where to put your helmet Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 46 CB>From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) CB>>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: CB>>|> CB>>|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to CB>>|> rock CB>>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... CB> Do I have to be the one to say it? CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! CB> HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON CB> ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY CB> WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN. Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror and be fairly stable. I doubt I have to mention it, but this trick isn't quite so smart on a GoldWing, CBR600, any GSXR, or any bike with fairing-mounted mirrors. I was a little surprised, though, to find that you had your helmet on your seat while you were centerstanding your bike. I usually leave my helmet on until my bike is parked, if for no other reason than I wouldn't want my helmet to be on any surface that I was about to start tilting and jerking . . . Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . I saw the quote below on a pair of Nankai race-replica leathers. I think this sort of phrase is typically known as ""Japlish."" * SLMR 2.1a * ""Drive Agressively Rash Magnificently"" -Nankai Leathers ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ " 8694,14,"From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) Subject: japanese moon landing? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 17 Afraid I can't give any more info on this.. and hoping someone in greter NETLAND has some details. A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. the article was very vague and unclear. and, to make matters worse, I didn't clip it. does this jog anyone's memory? thanks dannyb@panix.com " 8695,4,"From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) Subject: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 18 Hi there, Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 has the message ""fpu: optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their price list? I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. Why say ""optional"" if it's built in? Please, anybody help me understand this game. Regards, Thian. " 8696,2,"From: charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () Subject: Re: multiple desktops Nntp-Posting-Host: tinman Organization: Prodigy Services Company, White Plains, NY Lines: 16 In article dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) writes: > >Is there a free/share( ware) package that will allow multiple >desktops in windows 3.1. What is desired is to have a desk top >for several people that each can personalize by name and choice >of programs etc. Amishware has one included in their package. They were advertising here on the net a couple of weeks ago with a riduculously (That is in a good way, Ted!) low price. Does anyone remember what it was ? -- Charles Emmons | charles@trintex.uucp | These opinions are Prodigy Services Co. | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856 | you would like to PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A | FAX 914-993-8659 | share them. " 8697,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: usa Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr5.173500.26383@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: >I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries. Next >season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing. That goes for any bitching >ball player. I doubt Henderson would clear waivers. And if he did, he would instantly be signed for the major league minimum, with Oakland picking up the remaining $3 million tab. Some GMs value on-field performance too... -Valentine " 8698,1,"From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) Subject: Re: CView answers X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 36 In article <5103@moscom.com> mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) writes: >Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote: >: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: >: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its >: >""current directory"". > >: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use >: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then >: invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file >: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. > >I posted this as well before the cview ""expert"". Apparently, he thought he >knew better. > >Matthew Zenkar >mz@moscom.com Are we talking about ColorView for DOS here? I have version 2.0 and it writes the temp files to its own current directory. What later versions do, I admit that I don't know. Assuming your ""expert"" referenced above is talking about the version that I have, then I'd say he is correct. Is the ColorView for unix what is being discussed? Just mixed up, confused, befuddled, but genuinely and entirely curious.... Uncle Fester -- : What God Wants : God wants gigolos : : God gets : God wants giraffes : : God help us all : God wants politics : : *thester@nyx.cs.du.edu* : God wants a good laugh : " 8699,17,"From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case Organization: St. Peter's College, US Lines: 36 In article , arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: > Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE > SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time > art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In > reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and > amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40 > years. > ..... > The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil > rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on > groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's > fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a > reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with > police agencies and journalists. There is something almost comical in the fact that Yigal Arens is important enough to have the ADL and G-d knows who else sifting through his garbage (which happens to be legal; you throw it out, it ain't yours any more). This brings to mind a few possibilities other than the ADL connection: - it is all in Arens' mind. - Bullock may have been working for Arens' friend in the PLO - Arens' father (or is it brother?) Moshe Arens (former Israeli Defense Minister) was spying on him. - Arens hired Bullock to spy on him to get attention. In any case, who cares? Robert Siegfried Computer Science Dept. Saint Peter's College Jersey City, NJ 07306 siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu " 8700,16,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1993Apr19.162137.1306@hsh.com> Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr19.162137.1306@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) says: > >In article , tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith) writes: >> In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> U >fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.ED >(Frank Crary) writes: >>>In article slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: >>>>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, >do >>>>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it >>>>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? >>> >>>This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical >>>coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future >>>national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured >>>must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, >>>you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. >>>In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, >>>you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do >>>so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within >>>24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need >>>your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly >>>wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry >>>the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. >>> >> Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on >the >> head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to >> me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound >> nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and >> bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve. >> >> Tom the non hacker > >Whoa! Have a care what you say, Tom. The _obvious_ answer to that problem >is to tatoo your National I.D. Number on you -- say, your forearm -- so you >can never leave home without it. Hell, it worked once before... > >And that brings us back to my original, sarcasm-laden post: where's the >outcry from the liberal sector over the National ID Card? My God, if some >conservative had proposed this -- plus Clinton's ""National Police"" proposal >-- the liberals would be shrieking ""Sieg Heil!"" and ""Police State""! > >You self-styled liberals ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Hypocrites! I don't know what you watch, but I saw a spokesman for the ACLU voice opposition to this idea on NBC the very first night. " 8701,1,"From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Article-I.D.: netcom.bprofaneC51wHz.HIo Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 39 In article lex@optimla.aimla.com (Lex van Sonderen) writes: >In article erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes: >>> better than CDI >>*Much* better than CDI. >Of course, I do not agree. It does have more horsepower. Horsepower is not >the only measurement for 'better'. It does not have full motion, full screen >video yet. Does it have CD-ROM XA? > >>> starting in the 4 quarter of 1993 >>The first 3DO ""multiplayer"" will be manufactured by panasonic and will be >>available late this year. A number of other manufacturers are reported to >>have 3DO compatible boxes in the works. >Which other manufacturers? >We shall see about the date. A 3DO marketing rep. recently offered a Phillips marketing rep. a $100 bet that 3DO would have boxes on the market on schedule. The Phillips rep. declined the bet, probably because he knew that 3DO players are already in pre-production manufacturing runs, 6 months before the commercial release date. By the time of commercial release, there will be other manufacturers of 3DO players announced and possibly already tooling up production. Chip sets will be in full production. The number of software companies designing titles for the box will be over 300. How do I know this? I was at a bar down the road from 3DO headquarters last week. Some folks were bullshitting a little too loudly about company business. >>All this information is third hand or so and worth what you paid for it:-). >This is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-). > >Lex van Sonderen >lex@aimla.com >Philips Interactive Media ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What an impartial source! " 8702,12,"From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 18 > Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology > paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the > TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the > maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th > of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd > or even scan lines) You are correct; the fastest ""complete"" image that could be presented on TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course, the phrase ""TV screen"" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might even be a vector (""strokewriter"") display, in which case the lower limit on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited). Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet. " 8703,7,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: the Rec.Autos Archive Server Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Lines: 10 Archive-name: rec-autos/part3 The Automotive Articles Archive Server: the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted, and is presently not available. -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith " 8704,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: migraine and exercise Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: >I have two questions. Is there any obvious connection between the >flushed appearance and the migraine? Was I foolish to play through >the migraine (aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play)? >I just prefer to ignore it when possible. > The flushing is due to vascular dilation, part of a migraine attack. Some people event get puffy and swollen. As long as you are careful you can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by the ball, migraine will not hurt your health. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8705,9,"Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) Organization: Harvard Math Department Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu Lines: 10 Once, on Jeopardy, the category was ""Jewish Sports Heros,"" believe it or not. The answer was, ""This pitcher had four no-hitters with the Dodgers in the 60s."" The contestant said, ""Who is Hank Aaron?"" Alex Trebek said something like, ""I don't think Hank Aaron was a pitcher."" David Fry fry@math.harvard.edu Division of Applied Sciences fry@huma1.bitnet Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry Cambridge, MA 02138 " 8706,7,"From: markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) Subject: Bimmer vs Beamer Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.8 Reply-To: markm@latium (Mark Monninger) Organization: Motorola SPS, Tempe, AZ Distribution: usa Lines: 8 Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please, let's get our terms straight. Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600. Mark " 8707,16,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Distribution: usa Lines: 30 As quoted from by rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat): > > | Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > | It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > | would have to be local. There are not all that many people > | who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > | firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > | obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > | average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > | pay through the nose for it. > > This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very > serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were > of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness > machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we > have a road system that is the envy of the world? > If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the ""you can't build guns"" claim, they need look no farther than the Philippines. Amateur gunsmiths there regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns. Now if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I can say is that he's living in a fantasy world. -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva " 8708,6,"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Books for sale!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 25 SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. * The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! Very good condition! * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu Sam 02106@chopin.udel.edu " 8709,14,From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 7 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow up I can dig that out for you. C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon 8710,1,"From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Re: Postscript drawing prog Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr19.171704.2147@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> (comp.graphics.gnuplot,comp.graphics), rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube) writes: >In article , nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes: >|> Could somebody let me know of a drawing utility that can be >|> used to manipulate postscript files.I am specifically interested in >|> drawing lines, boxes and the sort on Postscript contour plots. >|> I have tried xfig and I am impressed by it's features. However >|> it is of no use since I cannot use postscript files as input for the >|> programme.Is there a utility that converts postscript to xfig format? >|> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >|> Nishantha Have you checked out Adobe Illustrator? There are a few Unix versions for it available, depending on your platform. I know of two Unix versions: One for Mach (NeXT) and for Irix (SGI). There may be others, such as for Sun SparcStation, but I don't know for sure. ttyl, -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. " 8711,8,"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK. Lines: 86 Nntp-Posting-Host: zen.sys.uea.ac.uk leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes: >mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: >mjs>Also, IMHO, telling newbies about countersteering is, er, counter-productive >mjs>cos it just confuses them. I rode around quite happily for 10 years >mjs>knowing nothing about countersteering. I cannot say I ride any differently >mjs>now that I know about it. >I interpret this to mean that you're representative of every other >motorcyclist in the world, eh Mike? Rather presumptive of you! IMHO = in my humble opinion!! >leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes: >leavitt>The time to learn countersteering techniques is when you are first >leavitt>starting to learn, before you develop any bad habits. I rode for >leavitt>five years before taking my first course (MSF ERC) and learning >leavitt>about how to countersteer. It's now eight years later, and I *still* >leavitt>have to consciously tell myself ""Don't steer, COUNTERsteer!"" Old >leavitt>habits die hard, and bad habits even harder. >mjs>Sorry Bill, but this is complete bollocks. You learned how to countersteer >mjs>the first time you rode the bike, it's natural and intuitive. >Sorry Mike, I'm not going to kick over the ""can you _not_ countersteer >over 5mph?"" stone. That one's been kicked around enough. For the sake of >argument, I'll concede that it's countersteering (sake of argument only). >mjs>MSF did not teach you *how* to countersteer, it only told you what >mjs>you were already doing. >And there's no value in that? I didn't say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing to newbies. > There's a BIG difference in: 1) knowing >what's happening and how to make it do it, especially in the extreme >case of an emergency swerve, and: 2) just letting the bike do whatever >it does to make itself turn. Once I knew precisely what was happening >and how to make it do it abruptly and on command, my emergency avoidance >abilities improved tenfold, not to mention a big improvement in my normal >cornering ability. I am much more proficient ""knowing"" how to countersteer >the motorcycle rather than letting the motorcycle steer itself. That is, >when I *remember* to take cognitive command of the bike rather than letting >it run itself through the corners. Whereupon I return to my original >comment - better to learn what's happening right from the start and how >to take charge of it, rather than developing the bad habit of merely going >along for the ride. Bill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer themselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the tyre on the road, the suspension geometry and the ground clearance of the motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise?? >Mike, I'm extremely gratified for you that you have such a natural >affinity and prowess for motorcycling that formal training was a total >waste of time for you (assuming your total ""training"" hasn't come from >simply from reading rec.motorcycles). However, 90%+ of the motorcyclists >I've discussed formal rider education with have regarded the experience >as overwhelmingly positive. This regardless of the amount of experience >they brought into the course (ranging from 10 minutes to 10+ years). Formal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include countersteering theory. I found out about countersteering about six years ago, from a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn't believe him at first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left, but I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was right! It's an interesting bit of knowledge, and I've had a lot of fun since then telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster or better as a result, is absurd. Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn. And that was my original point. Mike " 8712,11,"From: marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) Subject: The source of that announcement Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oliver.mit.edu The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the following address: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer. % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT expn clipper 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250 quit 221 first.org closing connection Connection closed. Well, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others. The Government, RSA, TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented. I don't suppose anybody within any of these organizations would care to comment? Or is this just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes? Marc -- Marc Horowitz N1NZU 617-253-7788 " 8713,6,"From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Re: Wanted: Trombone for a beginner Distribution: world Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 31 In article <1qu43p$aam@fnnews.fnal.gov>, Greg Schuweiler writes: > > Would like to purchase a trombone for a 9 year old because > > ""This really really want I want to play daddy I'll practice everyday and > I'll even keep my room really clean."" > > Well he must really mean it. Would like to find a used one. Please > e-mail me at > > schuweiler@fnal.gov > > > Greg Schuweiler schuweiler@fnal.gov I've got a used one for sale. I used it in high school and just don't have the occasion to get it out and play it anymore. Email me and we can work out something on it. I can't get email to you for some reason. David-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Snyder Logicon Technical Services Inc. dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 513-255-5165 Dayton, Ohio USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is said that GOD doesn't subtract from ones' time on earth, those hours spent flying. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1946 Cessna 140 N76234 ""The lady in waiting"" Owner/Operator --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF. --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8714,7,"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 In article <93106.161324LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> writes: >Mark states in his post to know the dealer price and offer $200-$300 >above. My husband and I are in the market to buy our first car >together, and neither of us know how to go about it. How do >you find out the dealer price? Are their books to look in? Do >you send away somewhere for it? Several company publish periodicals (3 or 4 times a year) which list the sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their options. Edmund's is the name of one such price guide. You can find these price guides at most places which sell magazines. -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time! " 8715,3,"From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) Subject: Gateway Telepath Modem -- getting v.32bis Summary: I get garbage no matter what settings I try Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Distribution: na Lines: 29 I have had a Gateway Telepath modem for about a month or so now. Actually, I had one that wouldn't connect to ANYTHING no matter what software I used, so I got a new one sent to me. This allows me to connect to my favorite News system with ZERO problems. So I'm somewhat happier .... But I still cannot connect to my favorite DOS bbs with any kind of reliability. I have success about 1/10 calls. Not good! I would hope that the fact that this one can connect to at least ONE of my fave places means I just need to adjust it. What I usually get is a fast stream of garbage, in the modem response line on the dial window. Sometimes it will drop to full screen mode first, then I get about 2-3 screens of garbage. In both cases the modem seems to time out before connecting and drops carrier. I am using DEFAULT settings (AT&F) and getting this problem. I am using the AUTOCONFIGURE settings that Gateway has supplied with my copy of Qmodem (ATW1&C1&D2S95=44&W0) and getting this problem. (They have refused to help me beyond this, claiming ""it must be the BBS"" or something like that. Not so -- my work modem connects to this same place just fine, using factory settings -- a Microcom.) Anyone have any ideas?! -- | Next: a Waco update ... an Ohio prison update ... a Bosnia update ... a | | Russian update ... an abortion update ... and a Congressional update ... | | here on SNN: The Standoff News Network. All news, all standoff, all day | Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract " 8716,3,"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: Help! Phar lap??? Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 29 Spectre (spectre@nmt.edu) wrote: : Could some one tell me what: : Phar Lap err 35: The 386 chip is currently executing in virtual : 8086 mode under the control : of another program. You must turn off this other program in order : to use 386|DOS-Extender to run in protected mode. : means. : This shows up on a CompuAdd Express 486-33 whenever a program : such as Matlab or Maple is run. It has been tried under dr-dos : 6.0, msdos 5.0, and 4dos 4.01. There is nothing, nada, in memory. : Nothing appears on a virus check. : Anybody? : -- : spectre@jupiter.nmt.edu spectre@cyborg1.nmt.edu : ""This world? And everything in it? *Illusions*, Richard! Every bit : of it *illusions!* *Do you understand that?*"" -- Donald Shimoda I used to get this problem with AutoCad when using the NOEMS switch with EMM386.EXE in DOS 5.0. If you allocate some ram to EMM386 the problem should go away. TMC. " 8717,1,"From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu Subject: Re: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!! Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu In article <1993Apr19.101747.22169@ugle.unit.no> razor@swix.nvg.unit.no (Runar Jordahl) writes: > >N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu wrote: >: Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into >: a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and >: the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using >: forms a rectangular grid. >: is a general interest question. >: Thank you!!!!!! I'm afraid your reply didn't get thru. I do appreciate you trying to reply, however. Please try again. " 8718,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff? Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes: >I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have >several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops. >And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious >things like that. My questions would not be found in those places nor >answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop. >If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc. >don't bother writing in. Thanks. I just gotta ask... What ARE these questions you want to ask an active cop? Working on your DoD qualfications? B-) ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * " 8719,2,"Reply-To: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue) From: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue) Subject: Off Line Mail Lines: 13 I am looking for a program called VBREADER. It is an off line mail reader for Windows using QWK mail packets. Or if anyone knows of any good QWK mail readers please let me know. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________________________________ Kevin C. Donoghue Internet: donoghue@donoghue.win.net Donoghue International ""Few love to hear the sins they love to act"" 2437 Grand Ave. Suite 273 -- William Shakespear Ventura CA 93003 " 8720,5,From: michel@crnsu1.IN2p3.FR (6893) Subject: creating a GIF file. Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu We are looking for a X client which can convert a xwd or a bitmap file into a gif file for use on a Macintosh. Thanks michel@crnsu1.in2p3.fr Laurent MICHEL CRN - GTI BP 20 67037 STRASBOURG cedex (France) Phone (33) 88 28 62 76 8721,13,"From: Mark W. Dubin Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Originator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Reply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu Organization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder Lines: 16 rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: >Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks >associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens >are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function >of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of >the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish >to know more. Thanks. I recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then drips down onto the hot elements--whatever they are--that the extreme heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke. --the ol' professor " 8722,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 93 In article <65974@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >>Well, John has a quite different, not necessarily more elaborated theology. >>There is some evidence that he must have known Luke, and that the content >>of Q was known to him, but not in a 'canonized' form. > >This is a new argument to me. Could you elaborate a little? > The argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in the almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are considered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and not an entirely different source. >>Assuming that he knew Luke would obviously put him after Luke, and would >>give evidence for the latter assumption. > >I don't think this follows. If you take the most traditional attributions, >then Luke might have known John, but John is an elder figure in either case. >We're talking spans of time here which are well within the range of >lifetimes. We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark). As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence for that is not overwhelming, admittedly. >>>(1) Earlier manuscripts of John have been discovered. > >>Interesting, where and which? How are they dated? How old are they? > >Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late >'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200. > When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on putting John after the rest of the three? >>I don't see your point, it is exactly what James Felder said. They had no >>first hand knowledge of the events, and it obvious that at least two of them >>used older texts as the base of their account. And even the association of >>Luke to Paul or Mark to Peter are not generally accepted. > >Well, a genuine letter of Peter would be close enough, wouldn't it? > Sure, an original together with Id card of sender and receiver would be fine. So what's that supposed to say? Am I missing something? >And I don't think a ""one step removed"" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark >and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really >cannot believe in the sort of ""big transformation from Jesus to gospel"" that >some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better >information than this. > >And if John IS a diciple, then there's nothing more to be said. > That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language together with the theology are usually used as counterargument. The argument that John was a disciple relies on the claim in the gospel of John itself. Is there any other evidence for it? One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies. Not even to speak off that believers are not necessarily the best sources. >>It is also obvious that Mark has been edited. How old are the oldest >>manuscripts? To my knowledge (which can be antiquated) the oldest is >>quite after any of these estimates, and it is not even complete. > >The only clear ""editing"" is problem of the ending, and it's basically a >hopeless mess. The oldest versions give a strong sense of incompleteness, >to the point where the shortest versions seem to break off in midsentence. >The most obvious solution is that at some point part of the text was lost. >The material from verse 9 on is pretty clearly later and seems to represent >a synopsys of the end of Luke. > In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak. But how is that connected to a redating of John? Benedikt " 8723,1,"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: manipulating a hexagonal grid Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 28 Ok, lets say youve got a grid of hexagons that go in a 10 9 10 9 etc.. for a total of 15 rows down that means there are 10 hexagons in the 1st line, 9 lined up underneath in the second line 10 lined up underneath in the third line 9 lined up under neath in the fourht... the problem is given the center of any arbritrary hexagon, and a line with and arbritrary slope, Which hexagons does that line cross through (The line doesn't necessarily have to cross through the center of other hexagon,it can even be a tangent and count). Any helpers, my friend was baffeled when trying to figure this. :w -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu " 8724,17,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > >Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation >patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and >two wounded. In ""retaliation"", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded >8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli >government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is >necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!! > >Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every >Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral >bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli >government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. > >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) Ahhh, of course. Israeli morality pales in the face of charming events like the string of PLO-run skyjackings in the mid 80's (remember those TWA jokes?), and not to forget the Achille Lauro and however many airline bombings they have committed, not to mention bombings on the streets of Israel (It's gotten to a point where children are told not to go near any bags or containers whose origins they don't know, because they could be bombs), or last weeks Katyusha rocket attack on Northern Israel by Fatah, those wonderful ""mainstream moderates"" with whom Israel is attempting to negotiate. Let's not forget the fact that more Palestinians are killed by Palestinians than by Israelis. Ahh yes, those charming humanitarian death squads. I've actually seen a videotape of an interrogation (DSee the documentary _Deadly Currents_--very neutral and balanced--seriously)--It was rather inquisition-esque. essentially, to prove his loyalty to ""the cause"" of whichever group it was that was interogating him, he had to turn in someone else, or else face death in one of the many fun-filled ways that the death- squads love so much--beatings, dismemberment, acid, pouring melted plastic on the face of the 'guilty party,' and of course beheading, always my favorite. Did you catch the photos in the Washington Post a while back the execution of a ""collaborator?"" 3 photos: 1) one Palestinian leading another at gunpoint. 2) The ""collaborator"" on his knees, the gun pointed at his temple. 3) The executioner standing on the corpse of the ""collaborator shouting about how this is what happens to collaborators. Wonderful justice system, and lots of regard for Human rights. Remember Black September? Ok, so they just tried to take over Jordan, big deal. I'm rambling now, but are you getting what I'm saying? Amir " 8725,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr6.061329.25582@den.mmc.com>, seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale) writes... >baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >>According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >>temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a >>close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >>comet. > >Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to >check out a comet TOO?!? Comet Gehrels 3, which was discovered in 1977, was determined to have been in a temporary Jovian orbit from 1970 to 1973. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e may remain in orbit around Jupiter long enough to allow Galileo to make some closeup observations. The orbital trajectory for Comet Shoemaker-Levy is still being determined. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. " 8726,4,"Distribution: world From: Ken_M._Kampman@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: Re: IIsi question Lines: 11 The si has a single expansion slot, that can be either PDS or Nubus, but not both together. The card lies parallel to and above the motherboard & HD and requires an adaptor slot to do this. There are Nubus and PDS adaptort cards. Thus, what kind of slots you have depends on what kind of adapter card you have. With the exception of the Radius rocket, all NuBus cards I know of work in the si. PDS slots and thus cards are Mac specific, thus not all PDS cards work in all Macs. **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 8727,7,"From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) Subject: Sticky Lock on Tailgate Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com My 1988 Toyota 4Runner has a rolldown rear window with a keylock switch. It sticky on me. Yesterday it was tough to get the key to work and it also happened to stick on in the up direction so the stalled motor was powered all night killing the battery. I'd like to try to lubricate the lock switch. What should I lubricate the lock with? email please, thanx, Ken. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Don't drink American corporate swill. Support you local micro-brewery."" -me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8728,0,Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Lines: 2 YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!! 8729,8,"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 29 In article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes: >In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says: >>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin >>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd >>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all. > >Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in >12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is >a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @ >103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105. > >BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out >run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old >KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for >no-one... Not too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was 3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a 11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600 these days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the only thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS across three states than any of the 600's. I guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12 second 400 didn't seem too far out of line. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 8730,7,"From: gregl@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Greg Lewis) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Nntp-Posting-Host: zimmer.csufresno.edu Organization: CSU Fresno Lines: 33 In article <1qh336INNfl5@CS.UTK.EDU> larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes: >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net. Watch out for >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses. They can >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car. > >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows) > >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in >knoxville, I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side >of my truck. We slowed down, but after looking back to see the >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station. > >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him ""cock his arm"" with >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit >her window, it would have killed her. > >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone. Stuff deleted... I am sorry to report that in Southern California it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway. Several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields. Many overpass bridges are now fenced, and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges (as if that would stop such people). Yet many bridges are NOT fenced. I always look up at a bridge while I still have time to take evasive action even though this *sport* has not reached us here in Fresno. ___________________________________________________________________ Greg_Lewis@csufresno.edu Photojournalism sequence, Department of Journalism CSU Fresno, Fresno, CA 93740 " 8731,13,"From: bshelley@ucs.indiana.edu () Subject: Xanax...please provide info Nntp-Posting-Host: jh224-718622.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 9 I am currently doing a group research project on the drug Xanax. I would be exponentially gracious to receive any and all information you could provide me regarding its usage, history, mechanism of reaction, side effects, and other pertinent information. I don't care how long or how short your response is. Thanks in advance! Brent E. Shelley " 8732,1,"From: bob@black.ox.ac.uk (Bob Douglas) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U Lines: 94 Originator: bob@black In article <2406@hcrlgw92.crl.hitachi.co.jp> steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) writes: >In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >>Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: >> >>Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, >>center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >>for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >>straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >>geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >>Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? > >Wouldn't this require a hyper-sphere. In 3-space, 4 points over specifies >a sphere as far as I can see. Unless that is you can prove that a point >exists in 3-space that is equi-distant from the 4 points, and this may not >necessarily happen. > >Correct me if I'm wrong (which I quite possibly am!) > >steve Sorry!! :-) Call the four points A, B, C and D. Any three of them must be non-collinear (otherwise all three could not lie on the surface of a sphere) and all four must not be coplaner (otherwise either they cannot all lie on a sphere or they define an infinity of them). A, B and C define a circle. The perpendicular bisectors of AB, BC and CA meet in a point (P, say) which is the centre of this circle. This circle must lie on the surface of the desired sphere. Consider the normal to the plane ABC passing through P. All points on this normal are equidistant from A, B and C and its circle (in fact it is a diameter of the desired sphere). Take the plane containing this normal and D (if D lies on the normal any plane containing the normal will do); this plane is at right angles to the ABC one. Let E be the point (there are normally two of them) on the circumference of the ABC circle which lies in this plane. We need a point Q on the normal such that EQ = DQ. But the intersection of the perpendicular bisector of ED and the normal is such a point (and it exists since D is not in the plane ABC, and so ED is not at right angles to the normal). Algorithm: Is the sphere well defined? (1) Check that A and B are not coincident (=> failure). (2) Find the line AB and check that C does not lie on it (=> failure). (3) Find the plane ABC and check that D does not lie in it (=> failure). Yes. Find its centre. (1) Find the perpendicular bisectors of AB and AC. (2) Find their point of intersection (P). (3) Find the normal to the plane ABC passing through P (line N). (4) Find the plane containing N and D; find the point E on the ABC circle in this plane (if D lies on N, take E as A). (4) Find the perpendicular bisector of ED (line L) (5) Find the point of intersection of N and L (Q). Q is the centre of the desired sphere Pictures: (1) In the plane ABC A P B C (2) At right-angles to ABC, in the plane containing N and D E D line N --------------------P-------------Q--------------------------- Numerically: If ED << EP then Q will be very close to P (relative to the radius of the ABC circle) and subject to error. It's best to choose D so that the least of AD, BD and CD is larger than for any other choice. -- Bob Douglas Computing Services, University of Oxford Internet: bob@oxford.ac.uk Address: 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN, UK Telephone: +44-865-273211 " 8733,19,"From: rosst@pogo.wv.tek.com (Ross Taylor) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 9 Is there evidence independent of the FBI that indicates that the Branch Davidians set the fire? What have the survivors said? Did the press see anything? There is, unfortunately, precedent for the U.S. government saving children by roasting them alive. (There is precedent for religious self-imolation as well.) I still wonder why the government couldn't just leave them alone. " 8734,1,"From: haston@utkvx.utk.edu (Haston, Donald Wayne) Subject: Church related graphics News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: Christian graphics Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 13 I am looking for some good quality graphics files which are suitable for use in church-related presentations. I prefer vector, but anything would be helpful. If you know of bulletin boards which have collections of this nature, or commercial products, please inform me by email: HASTON@UTKVX.UTK.EDU Wayne Haston " 8735,18,"From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) Subject: Re: Bill Targets Pension Funds for "" Liberation "" Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond, OR. Lines: 6 >>|> Excerpts from ""Insight"" magazine, March 15, 1993 *Paranoia part deleted.* Isn't Insight magazine published by the Mooneys? " 8736,3,From: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (JIMMY BUDDENBERG) Subject: should I get VESA controller card? Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 9 I have a 486DX 25mhz with local bus. Would I see much of an increase in speed in my drives if I got a VESA IDE controller card? I need advice! -- Jimmy Buddenberg INTERNET: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Muskingum College 8737,9,"Subject: Re: Best Homeruns From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 14 I personally will never forget Mike Schmidt's home run against the Expos in 1980 that decided the NL East. It was also his career high 48th. Another home run that I thought was totally incredible was in the 1986 ALCS. The CA Angles had the Boston Red Sox *1* strike away from the pennant until Don Baylor hit a two strike pitch for a home run. That was the most incredible turn of events I have EVER seen in baseball. The Sox later took the pennant away only to have the same thing done to them in the WS against the Mets. Speaking of the METS, isn't it strange how the NLCS that year with the Astros ALMOST mirrored the 1980 NLCS with the Phillies?? The Astros have been painfully close twice I must admit. " 8738,11,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 22 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu In article ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes: >Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as >Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption >process? Following precedent in other areas, the government is likely to put a tax on encryption technology. Once the tax is imposed, it becomes a federal matter and suspicision of an unlicensed cryptographic tool will bring the BATF or FBI tossing grenades into your house. (The BATF appears to be the logical agency to enforce such regulations: federal control over alocohol, tobacco, and firearms is similary based on taxes.) Look at the FCC: they won't allow sale of any receiever that can receive bands that are supposed to be private. This has nothing to do with any desire to prevent harmful interference. If the government can make a radio receiver illegal what makes you think they won't claim the right to control encryption? -- John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) " 8739,19,"From: zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) Subject: Re: The _real_ probability of abiogenesis (was Re: Albert Sabin) Organization: InterNetNews at ZDV Uni-Tuebingen Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de In <1qc6tiINNhie@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: >adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes: >>1) We're not just talking about proteins. In fact, we shouldn't be >>talking about proteins at all, since (if I have to say this again I'm >>goint to be really upset) *nobody*claims*that*proteins*appeared*de* >>*novo* >>the proteins did not form randomly. >> >Before I repond to 2.), Andy, please clarify 1.). You state that >proteins did not form randomly. That seems to be my point. Well, I am not Andy, but if you had familiarized yourself with some of the current theories/hypotheses about abiogenesis before posting :-), you would be aware of the fact that none of them claims that proteins were assembled randomly from amino acids. It is current thinking that RNA- based replicators came before proteinaceous enzymes, and that proteins were assembled by some kind of primitive translation machinery. Now respond to 2. :-) --Cornelius. -- /* Cornelius Krasel, Department of Physiological Chemistry, U Tuebingen */ /* email: krasel@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de */ /* ""People are DNA's way of making more DNA."" (R. Dawkins / anonymous) */ " 8740,9,From: stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly) Subject: Red Sox win 1st Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 8 BoSox 3 Royals 1 WP: Clemens (1-0) LP: Appier (0-1) Key Hit: Mike Greenwell's 2 out tripple with bases loaded. 8741,0,"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 In <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >#In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank >#O'Dwyer) wrote: >#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values. ># >#But where do those objective values come from? How can we measure them? >#What mediated thair interaction with the real world, a moralon? Or a scalar >#valuino field? >Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, >as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then >science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. >Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said >to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions? >I don't. >#And how do we know they exist in the first place? >One assumes objective reality, one doesn't know it. >-- >Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' >odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon How do we measure truth, beauty, goodness, love, friendship, trust, honesty, etc.? If things have no basis in objective fact then aren't we limited in what we know to be true? Can't we say that we can examples or instances of reason, but cannot measure reason, or is that semantics? MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 8742,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: File Server Mac Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 10 PKR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Patrick Krejcik) writes: >I saw once an article about a new line of Macs configured to >work more optimally as file servers. >Anyone know any more details? Check out the May issue of MacWorld; the new servers are on the cover. Should be at your favorite newstand. -Hades " 8743,6,"From: smf7s@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Stephen M. Friedman) Subject: Wizard OZ-9600 pen-based organizer & PC link for sale Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: na Lines: 39 FOR SALE: Pen-based electronic organizer -- Brand-new Sharp Wizard OZ-9600 (with PC link software and cable) -15 ounces, measures 7""x4""x1"" (fits in most pockets) -256k RAM, 125k available to user -pen/touch-screen input for pointing and drawing -keyboard big enough to touch-type on -320x240 screen -windows/pop-up menus -excellent scheduler with alarms -3 telephone directories -3 user-configurable databases -full word-processor with formatting -drawing utility -outliner -to-do list -calculator -clock/calendar -terminal emulatorw/ dialing directory -directory/filing system -serial port/infrared port/IC card slot -uses 4 AAA batteries (about 3 months of daily use) -All manuals Organizer Link II -software and cable for exchanging data between Wizard and a PC $480 or best offer for both. I'll pay shipping. Steven M Friedman Horizon Institute for Policy Solutions Mail path: smf7s@virginia.BITNET Voice path: (804) 295 0235 " 8744,11,"From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: deathtongue.mit.edu In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:52:28 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: >So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front >ends. This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without clipper? David David, they (== the gov't) have already said that they hope to DO THIS in the long run... - -derek PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBuAgUBK9TknDh0K1zBsGrxAQEAQgLFEFNH9HlHyoVHuWR5RWD9Y+mBrXkYKWsC aAZO1x1WXhca5FG+UK9/TYYoBpBTLqGSUrgKgdzPXWFH8/+ZXgXrggwf6wP2eDSt BYCCYb9JRX3LoZcg5whgOi4= =8H7Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH " 8745,5,"From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello) Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Visix' Galaxy? Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento) Lines: 24 In article , grier@world.std.com (The Political Crony) writes: > > The title line says it. The Galaxy package was just recently announced, and > includes a GUI-builder and portable toolkit. I'm interested in any > feedback from those who may have used it thus far. We've been using it for a year on Unix (Sun and HP) and Windows platforms. In my opinion, it is the best toolkit on the market. It supports a rich API to a high level IPC mechanism, file system abstraction, memory management, command driven application development, drawing, geometry management, and, oh yeah, Open Look, Motif, MS-Windows and Mac (at the flip of a switch). > > Thanks > Jim Grier > grier@world.std.com > -- -- Greg Pasquariello grp@unify.com Hobnobbing with the ancients Unify Corporation or (916) 928-6258 ...!uunet!unify!grp " 8746,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 33 In article mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the >Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the >hostile occupiers in WWII. And all this time I thought it was the US & Britian invading Normandy, the constant, round the clock bombing, and the fact that the Germans were fighting on two fronts. How silly of me. :) This is not to devalue the actions of the resistance movements, but resistance movements did not defeat the Nazis. >Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the >Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the >only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving >out the US) Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave when the Lebanese government shows that it can prevent attacks on Israel, and when the Syrians agree to leave. The Lebanese have not tried diplomacy for very long, or maybe they're not capable of getting rid of the Syrians and Iranians who occupy their land. If they closed down the Hezbolah, and negotiated a withdrawl of Syrian forces, Israel would be happy to leave. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 8747,18,"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: Part 4 (Re: Looks like Clayton must retract Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Distribution: ca Lines: 48 In article <1ppi1gINNg19@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: >>>Does the greatly increased rates of incarceration amongst >>>blacks show that they are dysfunctional or that the majority >>>of them support criminal activity? >>> >Isn't this a matter of demographics? Doesn't this simply show >that since criminal behaviour is common (or apt to be common) >in the 18-34 (insert your favorite correct numbers here) year >old range and since the percentage of blacks in this range is >higher than in other groups, then it follows statistically >that more blacks in prison is an expected result? > >Note that I haven't said anything about blacks being given >stiffer or longer sentences than other groups. I'm sure this >has to have an effect on the issue of over-representation of >blacks in prison... Blacks have the same (+- 2%) crime report rate, arrest rate, and incarceration rate for violent crimes. So I doubt that for violent crimes, that there is any inherent bias mechanism present. There is a wider discrepancy for all crimes for blacks wrt to 3 categories. Interestingly enough, the discrepancy is the largest in the Southern United States -- where blacks are incarcerated well BELOW the average in the rest of the United States! Which points to an anti-bias-against wrt blacks. In any case, for violent crimes and burglary and drug selling, blacks are reported 53%, arrested 44%, and are present in jails/prisons 47% (1988). Considering that 12% of the population is black, 6% are black males, and some percentage of that is out of the high/low age groups, we do have a situation where (if I remember my old calculations right) 4% of the population commits almost half of the really nasty crimes. Blacks with similar histories (crime) to whites get the same sentences, except in the South, where they receive around 20% less on paper!! -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) " 8748,12,"Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 34 In article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> writes: > > > I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that > this board would be most appropriate. > I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that > are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders > that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the > actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called > 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? > I hope someone can help > This is definitely the wrong newsgroup for this, but never mind. Any machine powered by heat (motor, steam- or gasturbine, steamengine, thermoelement,etc) work the better, the bigger the temperature difference between input and output is. Because You never get all thermic energy out of the powering medium (steam, burning gaz, etc), You have to eliminate the rest of the energy to keep the efficency high. A thermal electric power plant (coal, oil or atomic power) works just the same way. You heat water (steam) to power the turbine and generators. Because You don't get the whole energy out of the steam (efficency is never 100%) You have to cool down this steam again by something else. Most power plants use cooling towers for this purpose (some type of mega-refrigerator...). Others use water of a river (ecologically not unobjectionable). Got it ? Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) -- Robert Ganter /------------\ Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | Basel/Switzerland \------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU " 8749,0,"Subject: Re: Gospel Dating From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 64 In article bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: >: >: Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that >: one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much >: evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed >: leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ] > >Keith, > >If the issue is, ""What is Truth"" then the consequences of whatever >proposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, ""What are the consequences >if such and such -is- True"", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to >be? I disagree: every proposition needs a certain amount of evidence and support, before one can believe it. There are a miriad of factors for each individual. As we are all different, we quite obviously require different levels of evidence. As one pointed out, one's history is important. While in FUSSR, one may not believe a comrade who states that he owns five pairs of blue jeans. One would need more evidence, than if one lived in the United States. The only time such a statement here would raise an eyebrow in the US, is if the individual always wear business suits, etc. The degree of the effect upon the world, and the strength of the claim also determine the amount of evidence necessary. When determining the level of evidence one needs, it is most certainly relevent what the consequences of the proposition are. If the consequences of a proposition is irrelvent, please explain why one would not accept: The electro-magnetic force of attraction between two charged particles is inversely proportional to the cube of their distance apart. Remember, if the consequences of the law are not relevent, then we can not use experimental evidence as a disproof. If one of the consequences of the law is an incongruency between the law and the state of affairs, or an incongruency between this law and any other natural law, they are irrelevent when theorizing about the ""Truth"" of the law. Given that any consequences of a proposition is irrelvent, including the consequence of self-contradiction or contradiction with the state of affiars, how are we ever able to judge what is true or not; let alone find ""The Truth""? By the way, what is ""Truth""? Please define before inserting it in the conversation. Please explain what ""Truth"" or ""TRUTH"" is. I do think that anything is ever known for certain. Even if there IS a ""Truth"", we could never possibly know if it were. I find the concept to be meaningless. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) " 8750,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Remarks on Trip to Baltimore 4.5.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 74 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT EN ROUTE TO CAMDEN YARDS FOR ORIOLES OPENING DAY GAME MARC Train En Route to Camden Yards 11:45 A.M. EDT Q Mr. President, what do you think of Jesse Jackson's protest today? THE PRESIDENT: I think it's an informational protest. I think it's fine. The owners put out a statement few days ago, which they say was the first step in, you know, efforts to increase minority ownership and minority increases in management. I think we should. I'm encouraged by Don Baylor's appointment out in Colorado. And I think it's time to make a move on that front. So, I think it's a legitimate issue, and I think it's -- like I said, it's an informational picket and not an attempt to get people not to go to the game. So, I think it's good. Q Do you think they're moving fast enough? THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that it was a good first step. And I think you'll see some movement now. And I think it's an issue that deserves some attention, and they're obviously going to give it some. And I think that Reverend Jackson being out there will highlight the issue. So I think it's fine. Q Mr. President, how about the logjam in the Senate on the economic stimulus plan? Do you think they'll be able to break that and get cloture? THE PRESIDENT: I don't know, we're working at it. I mean, it's a classic -- there was an article in the paper today, one of the papers I saw, which pretty well summed it up. They said, you know, this is a -- it's just a political power play. In the Senate the majority does not rule. It's not like the country. It's not like the -- it's not like the House. If the minority chooses, they can stop majority rule. And that's what they're doing. There are a lot of Republican senators who have told people that they might vote for the stimulus program but there's enormous partisan political pressure not to do it. And, of course, what it means is that in this time when no new jobs are being created, even though there seems to be an economic recovery, it means that for political purposes they're willing to deny jobs to places like Baltimore and Dallas and Houston and Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Portland and Seattle. It's very sad. I mean, the block grant program was designed to create jobs in a hurry based on local priorities, and it's one that the Republicans had always championed. Just about the only Democrat champions of the program were people like me who were out there at the grassroots level, governors and senators. I just think it's real sad that they have chosen to exert the minority muscle in a way that will keep Americans out of work. I think it's a mistake. THE PRESS: Thank you. END11:50 A.M. EDT " 8751,9,"From: feszcm@warren1c.its.rpi.edu (Michael Jaroslaw Feszczyszyn) Subject: Re: Fenway Gif Nntp-Posting-Host: warren1c.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: feszcm@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 12 In article , acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes: |> I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif. |> I would appreciate it if someone could send me one. |> Thanks in advance. |> |> -Dan Me too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please. Thanx in advance, Mike Feszczyszyn " 8752,0,"From: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Organization: VideOcart Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 40 cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: : [ . . . . . ] : : Personally, I feel that since religion have such a poweful : psychological effect, we should let theists be. But the problem is that : religions cause enormous harm to non-believers and to humanity as a whole : (holy wars, inquisitions, inter-religious hatred, impedence of science : & intellectual progress, us-&-them attitudes etc etc. Need I say more?). : I really don't know what we can do about them. Any comments? : I have always held that there should be no attempt to change a persons attitude or lifestyle as long as it makes them happy and does not tax anybody else. This seems to be ok for atheists. You don't get an atheist knocking on your door, stopping you in the airport, or handing out literature at a social event. Theists seem to think that thier form of happy should work for others and try to make it so. My sister is a born again, and she was a real thorn in the side for my entire family for several years. She finally got the clue that she couldn't help. During that period she bought me ""I was atheist, now I'm Xtian"" books for my birthday and Xmas several times. Our birthday cards would contain verses. It was a problem. I told my mom that I was going to send my sister an atheist piece of reading material. I got a ""Don't you dare"". My mom wasn't religious. Why did she insist that I not send it ?? Because our society has driven into us that religion is ok to preach, non-religion should be self contained. What a crock of shit. I finally told my sister that I didn't find her way of life attractive. I have seen exactly 0 effort from her on trying to convert me since then. I'm sick of religious types being pampered, looked out for, and WORST OF ALL . . . . respected more than atheists. There must be an end in sight. Dave Fuller dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com " 8753,6,"From: lohia@apple.com (Raj Lohia) Subject: 1.2GB DISK for SALE!!! Distribution: usa Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA Lines: 10 I have a 1.2GB full size Seagate SCSI2 disk for sale. Model No. is ST41200N This is a brand new disk, never been used or formatted. Send me your offer at lohia@bharat.aux.apple.com -Raj " 8754,14,"From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: DC-X: Choice of a New Generation (was Re: SSRT Roll-Out Speech) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu In-reply-to: jkatz@access.digex.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 22:09:32 -0400 In article <1r4uos$jid@access.digex.net> jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) writes: > Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden, > The Deputy for Technology, SDIO > > Most of you, as am I, are ""children of the 1960's."" We grew >up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, >nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were >miracles of our parent's doing. > Speech by Pete Worden > Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference > I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last >generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's >and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that >can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we >could do is soft-land on Earth! Just out of curiousity, how old is Worden? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________ " 8755,6,"From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld) Subject: SyQuest internal 44 drive with 8 cartridges: sale or trade Summary: Will trade 350Mb for ~300Mb IDE, or sell for $450 Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: na Lines: 21 This drive is less than one year old. The cartridges have all been bought since then. All is in excellent condition and still under warranty. Due to a change in system use, I now need a large, contiguous drive. Offer includes: SyDos 44i internal drive SCSI adapter card and cables All original documentation Software All original packaging 8 cartridges totalling over 350Mb (no bad sectors or defects) The installation was a breeze on my 386 clone. I will trade for something near 300Mb IDE, or sell for $450. I will also consider trading for 4 4Mx9 30 pin SIMMs at 70ns. -- Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light, 940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right, Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown. N5QXR | -Jackson Brown " 8756,14,"From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings) Subject: Re: Space on other nets Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 17 We run ""SpaceNews & Views"" on our STAREACH BBS, a local operation running WWIV software with the capability to link to over 1500 other BBS's in the U.S.A. and Canada through WWIVNet. Having just started this a couple of months ago, our sub us currently subscribed by only about ten other boards, but more are being added. We get our news articles re on Internet, via ftp from NASA sites, and from a variety of aerospace related periodicals. We get a fair amount of questions on space topics from students who access the system. ____________________________________________________________ | George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | | Space Science Teacher 72407.22@compuserve.com | If it's not | Mathematics & Science Center STAREACH BBS: 804-343-6533 | FUN, it's | 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | probably not | Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | SCIENCE! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 8757,4,"From: generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) Subject: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x Keywords: backup, tape, Organization: NASA STI Lines: 12 I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access the device. Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools to access this device? Appreciate any info/comments. --curtis -- Curtis C. Generous generous@sti.nasa.gov (703) 685-1140 NASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546 " 8758,9,"Organization: University of Maine System From: Subject: Grateful Dead? Lines: 15 Being a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band I was wondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the Dead (or members of) sang the national anthem at todays Giant opener? I would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know, but an answer would be greatly appreciated. Curious, Robert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBERT MARGESSON UMAINE HOCKEY 156 PARK ST. C5 BLACK BEARS ORONO, ME 04473 1993 NCAA CHAMPS (207)866-7342 42-1-2 " 8759,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 14 UPI Clarinet has just relayed a ""scoop"" from the Toronto Sun (or was that Star? I like the Star myself ...) that Iron Mike Keenan has come to an agreement with the New York Rangers for next season. Interestingly, this comes the day after the Times Sports had an editorial about how the Rangers need their own Pat Riley ... who cares about what happens after next season? gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 8760,1,"From: rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert C. Barris) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Summary: 3DO demonstration Organization: University of California, Irvine Keywords: 3DO ARM QT Compact Video Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr16.212441.34125@rchland.ibm.com> ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu>, Sean McMains writes: >|> In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez >|> Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: >|> > And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is >|> >a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something >|> >like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. [snip] (the 3DO is not a 68000!!!) >|> >|> Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an >|> earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. >|> I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be >|> precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit >|> color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC >|> processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, >|> though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly >|> dynamic material. [snip] >booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture >using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot >quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one >(1.5). > > They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite >nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by >3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it >wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he >increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps. > > Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know >what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime >could play back at the same speed even on an LCII. > > Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having >a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was >from memory! > > Could it be that you saw either a newer version of quicktime, or some >hardware assisted Centris, or another software product running the >animation (like supposedly MacroMind's Accelerator?)? > > Don't misunderstand me, I just want to clarify this. > The 3DO box is based on an ARM RISC processor, one or two custom graphics chips, a DSP, a double-speed CDROM, and 2MB of RAM/VRAM. (I'm a little fuzzy on the breakdown of the graphics chips and RAM/VRAM capacity). It was demonstrated at a recent gathering at the Electronic Cafe in Santa Monica, CA. From 3DO, RJ Mical (of Amiga/Lynx fame) and Hal Josephson (sp?) were there to talk about the machine and their plan. We got to see the unit displaying full-screen movies using the CompactVideo codec (which was nice, very little blockiness showing clips from Jaws and Backdraft) ... and a very high frame rate to boot (like 30fps). Note however that the 3DO's screen resolution is 320x240. CompactVideo is pretty amazing... I also wanted to point out that QuickTime does indeed slow down when one dynamically resizes material as was stated above... I'm sure if the material had been compressed at the large size then it would play back fine (I have a Q950 and do this quite a bit). The price of generality... personally I don't use the dynamic sizing of movies often, if ever. But playing back stuff at its original size is plenty quick on the latest 040 machines. I'm not sure how a Centris/20MHz 040 stacks up against the 25 MHz ARM in the 3DO box. Obviously the ARM is faster, but how much? Rob Barris Quicksilver Software Inc. rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu " 8761,3,"From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu Subject: My computer gets locked!! HELP!!!!!! Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 17 A weird thing has happened to my computer lately, it gets locked (stops doing anything) at any instance without any reason whatsover. I might be using Edit and gets locked, or i might be at the prompt at the same occurs. It happens almost once every 3 times i connect the computer, Does Anyone have the slight idea what's wrong with it? (If i try to use CTRL-ALT-DEL after that, no response. I have to turn it off and back on again) Thanks. Any help will be really appreciated. E-mail if possible as sometimes i can't access this service. Enrique " 8762,6,From: mallen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Allen) Subject: Amiga's for sale Keywords: Amiga Distribution: pa Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu For Sale: 2 Amigas! Commodore Amiga 1000 Best offer 512k Ram 1 Internal Floppy drive Detachable Keyboard 2 Button Mouse Commodore Amiga 500 Best offer 1024k Ram 1 Internal Floppy drive 2 Button Mouse 1 RGB Monitor Best offer 1 External Floppy drive Best offer Call Brian Dickman at (717)872-1719 or send e-mail to dickman_con@huey. millersv.edu. 8763,19,"From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 15 In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.210407.10208@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin >Darcy) wrote: >> The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the >> primary ontological ""stuff"" from which all other ontology was built -- >> perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in >> seeing intentionality (or ""values"", as he puts it) underlying all human >> experience, even the so-called ""objective"" experiences, such as >> measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip. > >And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation. I'll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters. - Kevin " 8764,9,"From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) Subject: Re: Giants' GM Quinn *is* a genius! Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 22 In article luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes: >Will Clark >Matt Williams >Robbie Thompson >Rod Beck........All came up through the Giants system. Geez. Everyone comes up with Clark, Williams, Thompson. These guys were all up in 1987. That's ancient history. So in the last 6 years, noone, right? Beck doesn't count. I said 2 solid years. >BTW, Manwaring lead the ML last season in throwing out baserunners. He is >an excellent defensive catcher. I agree that his offensive skills are >limited but he does seem to be improving on them. Let's see what he does w/o the help of a pitchout every other pitch. As I remember, even Bob Brenly had a good throwout percentage under Roger Craig, who loved to sacrifice the count for runners being thrown out. Of course, he suffered from 3 ball 1 strike homers a lot too. I am not a big fan of Manwaring. --dave " 8765,4,"From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite ) Subject: Re: Mac Plus is constantly rebooting! Article-I.D.: pith.1qk7nu$ra8 Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu In article russ@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Russ Hodes) writes: > Tae Shin (tshin@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote: > : > : Basically, the Mac Pluses are constantly rebooting themselves, as if the > : reboot button were being pushed. Sometimes the Mac is able to fully boot > : and display the desktop, but it is only a matter of time before it reboots > : again. At times, the frequency is as high as several times a minute. > : > I wonder if your Mac has those little ""RESET / INTERUPT"" switches > installed. They are plastic devices that push on the switches which > are inside the mac. Or mabey those switches are bad and need > replacing. This problem is usually a low +5 Vdc from the power supply, there is an adjustment for this on the supply. If the voltage is still unstable or low then the culprit is probably a bad rectifier at CR20. Jeff Hite Computing Center U of Oregon jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu " 8766,12,"From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) Subject: Long distance IR detection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 19 -- I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. Has anyone done something like this? Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 " 8767,3,"From: roking@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (robert king) Subject: Specs for a WD drive... Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Distribution: na Lines: 15 Greetings all... Could some kind sole email me the specs for a Western Digital drive? It is Model # WD93044-A with 782 cyl and 4 hds. But I do not know the sectors per track, or any of the other information I have to feed to my bios to get it up and running. Thanx for any help Bob K. roking@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu nope... no sig. Honest :) " 8768,16,"From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) Subject: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer. Distribution: usa Lines: 28 You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. Say U.S.C. 922 : (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" might also be an artificial entity that is created by government and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? -- Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" Support Engineer \`o_O' Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark brians@atlastele.com U " 8769,4,"From: s912013@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Douglas Barry Mcpherson) Subject: Laser Writer IINTX upgrade kit Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Could someone please tell me what a LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is. Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual. The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full, ""This product must be installed by an Apple ........."" SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board. Any info appreciated. Doug. " 8770,1,"From: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk (Alex Kiernan) Subject: Re: .SCF files, help needed Distribution: world Organization: DIS(organised) Reply-To: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr22.123832.23894@daimi.aau.dk> rued@daimi.aau.dk writes: >RIX's files with the extension .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with >a 256 color palette. >...stuff deleted... >regards >Thomas > Do you happen to know what a .SCO RIX file is? -- Alex Kiernan akiernan@falcon.demon.co.uk " 8771,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Question about helmets Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 22 In article <1qmnp8INN31v@mojo.eng.umd.edu> oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes: > >On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet. >Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage >to the shell. Yes, the helmet did its job. But the damage/impact >ratio was scary. I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on >order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX), >and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons. My >recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear. YMMV. When your helmetted nogin hits an immoveabe object, there are only four things to dissipate the energy: the immoveable object, the helmet shell, the helmet liner, the rider's head, the rider's ego (ok, five). Assuming that the helmet/ head assembly takes the same impact, if the shell cracks in one case, then in the other the liner must be dented, or the head gets jiggled. If it's the the liner that's dented, the helmet is just as toast as if the shell were cracked, it won't absorb energy form an impact in that area. If it's the head that's getting jiggled, maybe the new gear isn't of as high quality after all? I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 8772,11,"From: ricktait@bnr.co.uk (Rick Tait) Subject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.20.192.158 Organization: Network Management Systems, Bell Northern Research. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 45 Nathaniel Sammons (ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu) wrote on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 02:36:36 GMT: > If the gov establishes a cryptography standard that has to be used by > everyone, and everyone's personal key is divided into two segments > and stored at two separate, albeit easy to find places, and that key is > only 80 bits to begin with, we are screwed (pardon the allusion to the > affore-mentioned article)! > The gov, I believe, as do many others probably already have the cracking chips > for this Clipper Chip made. Hell, they probably based the encoder on the > chip that cracks it, that way it's easier to break the code, but since it is a > classified algorythm, no one knows that they can crack it so easily. Agreed. No agency such as the NSA (or whoever) would approve the public release of a crypto-system, if they didn't already have the technical means or the know-how to decrypt everything at their whim. Surely the whole point of all this madness is to make Joe Public think that his/her communications will be kept safe, while James Bond at the NSA can, if need be, have full, decrypted access to someone's communications? That'll be quite a heist, if they can pull it off. I thought that the US Government were going to release the algorithm to a panel of ""carefully chosen experts"", who would then ""study it deeply, and report their findings""? Exactly who will these people be? Academics? Or Government-sponsored researchers? Tiny-toons? > I, for one, and quite scared of this kind of thing, and plan to support > organizations (and even disorganizations) who are fighting against this > Clipper Chip in any way that I can. I can only hope that the same sort of thing doesn't start filtering over into the ears of the UK Government, and if the European Parliament gets wind of it, well, we can kiss goodbye to any form of Democracy in Europe at all. > I do not want the government to be able to have access, even with a search > warrant, to my keys... and I don't want those keys to be only 80 bits long > to begin with! Hallelujah! :-) -- Rick M. Tait Bell Northern Research Europe Tel: +44-81-945-3352, Fax: +44-81-945-3352 Network Management Systems New Southgate, London. UK email: ricktait@bnr.co.uk || rt@cix.compulink.co.uk || ricktait@bnr.ca " 8773,13,"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 24 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: =I think that's the correct spelling.. = I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow =do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking =that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for =sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly =appreciated. = In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my =knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic =object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns =or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type =of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might =extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within =the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. Go to the library and look up ""corona discharge."" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. " 8774,1,"From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: Re: more on radiosity Organization: National Technical University of Athens Lines: 34 amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) writes: >In article 66319@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) writes: >> >> >>In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write: >>|> >>|> >>|> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. >>|> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute >>|> I finished it. >>|> >>|> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) >>|> to finish it. Please note that there are some radiosity packages in my Resource Listing (under the Subject 3: FTP list) Greetings, Nick. -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 USENET Editor of comp.graphics Resource Listing and soc.culture.greece FAQ NTUA/UA ACM Student Chapter Chair - we're organizing a small conference in Comp. Graphics, call if you're interested to participate. -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 " 8775,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 37 In article <2BCE6222.24844@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >In article <2BCA3DC0.13224@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >> >>The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains >>the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It >>states that: >> >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" >> is agreed upon; >> >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and >> coordination with Israel. >> >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the >> areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, >> business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, >> local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious >> affairs. >> >>The Palestinian counterproposal of March 1992: >> >There will be no limitations on its (PISGA) powers and responsibilities >> ""except those which derive from its character as an interim arrangement""; >> >It will have a strong police force responsible for security and public >> order in the OPT; >> >It can request the assistance of a UN peacekeeping force; >> >Disputes with Israel over self-governing arrangements will be settled by >> a committee composed of representatives of the five permanent members of >> the UN Security Council, the Secretary General (of the UN), the PISGA, >> Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Israel. >> I have read that there will be some concrete proposals concerning creation of a ""palestinian police force"" during the talk's next stage. Does anyone knows of the details of this idea? How does it ""fit"" with the differing conceptions listed above? -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 8776,14,"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) Subject: Re: army in space Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 Lines: 23 ktj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (kerry todd johnson) writes: > Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal > with space? After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army, > and I would like to spend it in a space-related field. I saw a post a long > time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to > its Army counter-part. Any more info on that would be appreciated. I'm > looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other? To > whom do I voice my interest in space? What qualifications are necessary? > Etc, etc. BTW, my major is computer science engineering. Kerry-- I'm guessing a little at this, because it's been a few years since I saw the info, but you will probably want to look at Air Defense Artillery as a specialty, or possibly Signals. The kind of thing you're looking for is SDI-type assignments, but it'll be pretty prosaic stuff. Things like hard-kill ATBM missiles, some of the COBRA rigs -- that kind of thing. Hope that gives you some ideas on where to look, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 " 8777,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 96 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) / 8:51 pm Apr 12, 1993 / >I think most of us would rather be held up with a knife than with a gun, >but HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE THAT? You still haven't offered I've been watching this knife verses gun bit for a while now, (even contributed a few comments) but this stuff ""I'd rather face a knife than a gun"" has GOT to come from ignorance! I used to think pretty much the same thing, then I got 'educated.' People do not as a rule understand how deadly knives can be, or how quickly you can be killed with one. Most people don't understand that it takes less than an inch of penetration in some areas to cause quick (within a minute or so) death. The death rates from handguns and knives are within a few percentage points of each other. Many people not realizing how deadly knives are 'try their luck' and thus more get injured by knives. A gun is deadly only in a single direction and it's only advantage is that it is a remote control weapon. A contact weapon such as a knife controls a spherical area 7 to 10 feet in diameter. Most people have never seen knife wounds, aside from slicing a finger by accident. From 21 feet or so, a knife is very nearly an even match for a holstered gun in experienced hands, even if the knife wielder has only moderate skill. From inside 10 feet or so, a knife is a match for a DRAWN gun. A knife is utterly silent, it never jams and never runs out of ammunition. It is limited only by the speed, dexterity skill and ability of it's wielder. Criminals in general are young, fast and strong. It's interesting to note that the patterned slashing attacks used by many martial artists remarkably resemble the wild uncontrolled slashing attacks of novices. I've talked to several well trained martial artists. They have unanimously agreed that if they ever go up against a knife they simply plan on being cut, hopefully not as bad as the attacker. Practicing with firearms requires facilities and equipment. Practicing with knives requires only a small area and something to simulate a knife, say a popsicle stick or tooth brush. Criminals practice their knife attacks in prison. If you have not trained against knives with a firearm and do not realize these facts the first inkling you will have that something is wrong is the knife ripping through your throat, or in the case of an experienced attacker, parts of your body falling off onto the ground. A 60 year old man with arthritis can close that 7 yard distance and gut you in about one and a half seconds. Dennis Tueller with a broken leg in a walking cast managed it in two. I've seen people close that distance and strike in 1 second. I'm old, over weight and slow. I can do it in 1.3 seconds. I've seen morgue footage of people killed with edged weapons that you would not believe. (How about a single stab wound to the chest with a TABLE FORK! In this case the attacker used the HANDLE, not the pointed end.) Add to this the 'fact' that hand gun 'stopping' power is largely a myth. Except in the case of a central nervous system shot, or a round that destroys the skeletal structure, it takes anywhere from 3 to twelve seconds for a bullet wound to 'take effect.' This is true of even heart shots. There is the case of the police woman in L.A., the first recorded survivor of a .357 shot to the heart. That lady not only killed her attacker, but chased him down to do it! All four of her shots, fired after SHE had been shot, struck the perp. Atta girl! The bullet entered her on a downward angle, went through the apex of her heart, down through the diaphragm, clipped her liver and destroyed her spleen. It then exited her back leaving a tennis ball sized hole. She died about six times on the operating table, but was out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight months! She was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest. She was on her way home so happened to have her gun. No, she doesn't think civilians should have the same rights. Sigh. The moral of the story is that even if you DO manage to shoot a knife attacker, you'd better be planning on doing some dodging. A good alternative is to shoot for and break the pelvis. People can often walk (a little) on broken legs but a broken pelvis will nearly always anchor them. Many firearms schools recommend pelvis shots against contact weapons. The target is as large as the traditional 'center of mass' and is more reliable to STOP somebody with a contact weapon, assuming a caliber powerful enough to 'do the job.' Hot .38's on up will usually do this. Remember folks, the idea isn't to 'take em with you' but for you to live and them to fail, whatever the consequences for them. This the reason 'killing them' isn't our goal, or in many cases even good enough to keep us alive. I don't want to face a violent attack of any sort. Knowing what I now know, I can't rightly say I'd rather face a knife than an gun. It would have to depend on the attacker, and if I could pick and choose, I WOULDN'T BE THERE. This is really the bottom line. Criminals do not fear the law. Criminals do not fear the weapon. They fear the citizen behind the weapon that has shown the resolution and determination to do whatever it takes. Rick. " 8778,4,"From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) Subject: Re: Educational Pricing Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr15.234121.6655 Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr15.134938.1@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu> f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu writes: >In article , hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) writes: >>>you can find retail that is within the price of a keyboard of educational >>>prices. > >I would be very wary of retail outlets selling as cheap as educational prices! >I went for a retailer, actually mail order (CDA computers), because its price >was better thant the campus computer store. I found out why later on when I >tried to get a repair done at an Apple registered repair center - the CPU was a >resale. The serial number had been removed and replaced with a non-standard >number (probably from CDA computers). Consequently, the Apple repair man could >not do ANY warrenty repairs. So I ended up with just a 90day warrenty from CDA >over the Apple 12month warrenty. Boy, was I pi**ed! Moral of the story, CAVEAT >EMPTOR. Apple does not authorise sales through Mail Order. As a result mail order companies have to obtain their machines by the grey market. This market is supplied with machines from authorised resellers who have more machines than they can sell. They come into this state of affairs by overordering either accidentally or deliberatly to get a better wholsale price from Apple. In either case they often obscure the serial nunber to protect their identity. As a result the warranty is void. You may save on sales tax but you have to pay for shipping. I should also point out that mail order companies cannot get lower prices thatn the high volume authorised dealers unless they buy below dealer cost. As a result the only way they can sell cheaper is by cutting costs and trimming margins. Unfortunatly they dont seem to be doing too well. The lowest prices I have been quoted mailorder do not beat the lowest prices available from authorised local dealers. They are even further away from educational prices. -ERik Speckman " 8779,9,"From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) Subject: Re: TIGERS Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu *thud* (see .sig) -- Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu Help cleanse R.S.B of all mindless woofing! Whenever someone at your site posts an article with a subject of the form ""MY TEAM R00LZ!!!!!!"", simply look him up in the directory, hunt him down, and beat him senseless! Easy, fun, rewarding! " 8780,7,"From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) Subject: Re: Squeekin' Windows Distribution: usa Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6] Lines: 19 arlen.r.martin (arm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com) wrote: : Consumer Reports once wrote about the S-10 Blazer that it ""shook and rattled : like a tired taxi cab"". There is one noise that is expecially irritating - : the back window squeaks. I believe its because the whole tailgate assembly : and window are not solid. Anyway, has anyone had the same problem, and have : you found any fixes? : I can relate to this. I've tried everything on my 86, greasing every point, WD40, etc. Grease on the two cheap hinges on the tailgate seems to quiet it down for a time, until the grease works out of the hinges. (Hinge pins appear to be made out of 16 penny nails!) Another vibration seems to get worse with age, and that is a vibration in the transmission in 4th gear. My S10 has 59K miles on it. I bought it new, treated it very easily, no fast off-road stuff. Can't GM build Chevies like they used to? Ford Explorers look nice, until you look at the price. Jim Burrill " 8781,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Lines: 19 Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp Trying 129.6.54.11... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT expn clipper 500 Command unrecognized Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. Or mine. Or the dozen or so other people who probably had the same idea :-) So does this rush to shut it down imply that some of the names on that list *are* heavy-duty spooks? :-))) G " 8782,0,"From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 19 >snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. > LIST OF KILLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION 1. Iran-Iraq War: 1,000,000 2. Civil War in Sudan: 1,000,000 3, Riots in India-Pakistan in 1947: 1,000,000 4. Massacares in Bangladesh in 1971: 1,000,000 5. Inquistions in America in 1500s: x million (x=??) 6. Crusades: ?? I am sure that people can add a lot more to the list. I wonder what Bobby has to say about the above. Standard Excuses will not be accepted. -- Naren All standard disclaimers apply " 8783,4,"Distribution: world From: Matthew_J._Wilson@mcontent.apana.org.au Organization: MacContent BBS, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia Return-Receipt-To: Matthew_J._Wilson@mcontent.apana.org.au Subject: Colour card for the LC Lines: 8 wouldany one know afair price for an LC Color card in Aussie dollars?? just wondering... *************************************************************************** The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. [BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] *************************************************************************** " 8784,1,"From: renes@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch (Rene S. Dutch student) Subject: InterViews graphics package Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Lines: 7 Hello, I'm trying out the C++ graphics package InterViews. Besides the man pages on the classes, I haven't got any documentation. Is there anything else around? Furthermore, can anyone send me a (small!) example program which shows how to use these classes together ? I would be very gratefull... " 8785,17,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 101 In article , shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) writes: |> [snip] |> imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like |> to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer |> in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... |> |> I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are ""terrorist |> camps"". There are however some which come very close to serving that |> purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way |> prior to the invasion. The village I described was actually the closest I could come to describing mine. I agree there may be other villages where the civilian population has deserted because it is too close to Israeli lines and thus gets bombed more often. In such villages often the only remaining inhabitants are guerillas and some elderly who have nowhere else to go. But for the most part the typical South Lebanon village is more like mine. One where civilians and guerillas live together. They are often inhabiting the same house. Many families are large, some have members of the families involved in Hizollah, most others are not. That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with the local populace. Not because they are evil cowards that use women and children as shields, but because that is the only way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army. |> Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you |> describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, |> backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah |> and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias. Though Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance operation and better motivated by religious conviction. As to retaliation, |> while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate |> bombing, which would have produced major casualties. It may be a mixture of what we both say. Sometimes Israel chooses its targets carefully. At other times it just sends its pilots on sorties aimed at a town in general since it only knows that the attackers came from that specific village but has no further intelligence. On several occasions Israel retalliated against civilian refugee camps, even in North Lebanon, just to show that it will not sit idly after its soldiers have been attacked. Most of the time it directs the SLA to do the dirty work and indiscriminately shell some Lebanese villages on the other side. I have experienced this shelling myself on several occasions, this is why the SLA militia is sometimes even more despised than Israeli troops. | |> Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if |> the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police |> it and prevent further attacks. I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's security, since it would reduce its military losses, and I claim that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any further attacks on Northern Israel. |> There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese |> goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such |> circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is |> capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did |> in all other parts of Lebanon. |> |> No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another |> Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. Hmm... Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better. I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself. It would be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for Israeli withdrawal. I don't think Syria wants Israel to be involved in its protectorate of Lebanon. Syria is sitting at the negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants to get a political resolution. A renewal of hostilities along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations back in question. |> I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing |> CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. |> |> No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable. |> -- |> Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, |> OS Software Engineer | |> Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. |> Cambridge, MA | Basil " 8786,15,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: none Lines: 13 Tim Rolfe writes: without active participation. If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. I heard the Gregorian chant of the Passion on Good Friday. In this liturgy, our Lord is definitely *very* sad. It's as if He has resigned Himself to die for these poor pitiful creatures who are killing Him. The chant is *quite* beautiful. " 8787,7,"From: SKUKRETI@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Sanjai Kukreti) Subject: Advice on used car? Lines: 11 Organization: University of Waterloo Hi, I was looking for some helpful advice. I'm a university student with about $7000 to spend, and I'm looking for a used car. Does anyone have any useful advice they could offer to a first- time buyer? I'm not looking for anything sporty, just something functional and reliable (less maintenance costs). Anybody have any ideas on what models might suit me? Thanks Sanjai " 8788,19,"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: The bad press Islam has recieved. Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 34 In article buddha@iastate.edu (Scott H Vann) writes: > > I recently read an article in a local paper written by an Islamic > person who was upset with the way Islam has been portrayed by western media. > When a terrorist action takes place in the middle east, it is always played > up as an Islamic Terrorist. However, when the a Serbian terrorist attacks > the Croations, its not a Christian terrorist, its just a terrorist. > I have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe > the press, that Islam is somehow tied to violence. Often times you hear > things like ""They just don't value human life like we do..."" and so on. > I was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can > change this image, or how I can help my friends to see that this is just > hype. I would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e-mail, > and I'm not interested in hearing about how right the press is. Very easily. Show them pictures of crime scenes perpetrated by Christian terrorists in this country, if that doesn't convince them have them talk to the victims of Christian terrorism. A brutal act of terrorism inspired by Christian propoganda was recently commited on your very campus. Its very simple religious extremists of all religions put no value on human life. Christian and Islamic fundamentalists put advancing there religion above all else, even if doing so violates the religion itself. P.S. I'm not saying all Christians are terrorists, I'm using ""Christian terrorist"" in the same way the media uses Islamic terrorist. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . " 8789,12,"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... In-Reply-To: randall@informix.com's message of 19 Apr 93 20:37:19 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 76 In article randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Stovall) writes: >Anyway, over the weekend, I was resting on the sofa (in between chores), >and noticed that I briefly picked up what sounded like ham radio traffic >over my stereo and television, even though both were off. Also, all the >touch sensitive lights in my house start going wacko, cycling through >their four brightness states. >I presume that some ham operator with an illegal amplifier drove past >my house (I live on a busy thoroughfare); would this be a correct presumption? >What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects? >The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road... Hams are unlikely to have an illegal amp, and are also unlikely to have a ""dirty"" amp. Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for just the amplifier. I can just see it. You need to slow down on a downgrade, so you hit the push to talk button. for cars put out around 100 watts. It is possible that a 100 watt radio would cause interference to consumer electronic 100 feet away. Most TVs, stereos, and VCRs have very poor RF shielding. If you experience the problem frequently, it may be caused by a ham, CBer, or other radio operator in a base station nearby. The interference may have been caused by a radio transmitter used for other purposes, such as police, fire, etc. If you heard voices over your stereo, I think you are correct in assuming that the source is an RF transmitter. If you have frequent trouble, you may want to try the RF ferrite chokes available at Radio Shack. The interference is probably being picked up by your speaker wires, and those chokes can be installed on the wires very easily (without cutting them). Good instructions are included with the chokes. If that does not solve the problem, you may want to search your neighborhood for a radio operator. Look for antennas on the roof or car. Talk to him/her about your problem. There are things a radio operator can do to reduce interference. And please remember to be friendly when approaching your local radio operator. This person may or may not be the cause of your troubles, and you'll get better cooperation and help if you assume that he is going to be helpful (most are). It was amazing the accusations that we sometimes dealt with as I grew up. We were blamed for skip (ghost pictures on the TV that occur at sunspot peaks), c.b. interferance, dead grass :), you name it. BTW, the local operator should try and help you whether or not he or she is directly responsible. It is part of being a good neighbor and that is how the FCC views it. Too bad they don't require the consumer equipment makers to take any precautions. Last, you can usually tell ham radio vs. CB. Ham operators are required to declare their call (sign) every so many minutes (no more than 10). So if you hear ""This is WA1QT"" or some other call starting with A, W or K and no more than 6 total characters, you heard a ham. CB'ers probably won't sign (I don't know that they're even required to) and fire/police have other private ids. -- Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ " 8790,9,"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 16 One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this situation: If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball. However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early? When the ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground? Enlightenment would be appreciated. Jay " 8791,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: tuberculosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Mar25.020646.852@news.columbia.edu> jhl14@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan H. Lin) writes: >I was wondering what steps are being taken to prevent the spread of >multi-drug resistant tuberculosis. I've heard that some places are >thinking of incarcerating those with the disease. Doesn't this violate >the civil rights of these individuals? Are there any legal precedents >for such action? > Who knows in this legal climate, but there is tremendous legal precendent for forcibly quarantining TB patients in sanitariums. 100 yrs ago it was done all the time. It has been done sporadically all along in patients who won't take their medicine. If you have TB you may find yourself under surveilence of the Public Health Department and you may find they have the legal power to insist you make your clinic visits. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8792,10,"From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen) Subject: Re: New Finnish Star is born? Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 22 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi In-reply-to: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:40:41 GMT In article <1993Apr15.114041.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes: >I saw yesterday on TV a game between Team Sweden and Team Finland. >Most of us might know that it was played in Stockholm and the result >was 4:3 for the home team. That's nothing very special... But I was >very surprised of Saku Koivu. I must admit that he surprised me >already in the Finnish playoffs. And now on team Finland! >Saku Koivu is a light weight player, if we consider his size: According >to my stats he is only 172cm and 68kgs! And he is only 18! (23.11.74). >But he is a real two-way player! Skates well, can score, gives nice >passes, does even bodycheckings!!? He is really something to watch >in the WC. >The size isn't always everything. Maybe we remember Harlamov... >And they say that Saku is still growing up (3cm during last year)... Saku isn't that small any longer I guess I heard he is 177cm tall at the moment and will still grow 6-8cm. Petteri Kortelainen " 8793,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr18.162427.17712@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) writes: >tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >: >: While you brought up the separate question of Israel's unjustified >: policies and practices, I am still unclear about your reaction to >: the practices and polocies reflected in the article above. >: >: Tim > >Not a separate question Mr. Clock. It is deceiving to judge the >resistance movement out of the context of the occupation. > >Alaa Zeineldine When the PLO moved into Lebanon and became, in parts of Lebanon, an Occupying Power itself, these same practices were common against non-Palestinean and Palestinean alike. They are simply Standard Operating Procedures among Palestineans and have been for a very long time. In fact, the greatest bloodbath of Palestineans will happen when they get self-rule. Can you possibly deny this? When the PLO is the Occupier, who are you NOW going to blame? -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 8794,9,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.010745.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: >or second starter. It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the >mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most >runs wins. This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage >(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low >scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the 4-1 game. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 8795,2,"From: kin@isi.com (Kin Cho) Subject: Viewsonic 17 experience sought Organization: Integrated Systems, Inc. Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: tycho.isi.com I'd appreciate if you can email or post you positive or negative experience with this monitor, especially compared to to Nanao 550i. I'd summarize if I got multiple responses. Thanks. -- -kin Kin Cho (kin@isi.com) Voice(408) 980-1500 ext. 230 Integrated Systems Inc. Fax (408) 980-0400 " 8796,2,"From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: What is REGLOAD.EXE? Keywords: regload Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 15 Perusing through my Windows 3.1 directory, I came across a file called REGLOAD.EXE. I assume this is part of the registration database, but neither my Windows manual, Win Resource Kit, nor PC Mag's description of files in the Windows directory had a reference to it. At least not one that I could find. Does REGEDIT.EXE use it? Or am I way off base? -- Peter Goudswaard _________ _________ goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | | pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | | pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | | | | > < | | ""There's no gift like the present"" | >_________< | | - Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________| " 8797,12,"From: engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg (SOH KAM YUNG) Subject: Re: Protection of serial (RS232) lines Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 39 Martin John Gregory (mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au) wrote: : I've started to look at some devices doing serial data transmission : over fairly decent distances in fairly noisy environments, and have : seen a variety of schemes for protecting the RS232 transceivers (and : the rest of the circuit) from transients on the serial lines. I'm : left wondering what is the best way of doing this? How necessary is : it? : [stuff deleted] : What is the wisdom on this out there? : : Ta, : : Martin. : : From what I know, protection is necessary, esp. if you plan to route the cables into an unknown environment (out of your control). Things like accidental shorts between the signal lines and power cables, or even lightning strikes are very likely and I don't think you like to see the sight of your computer going up in smoke! [Even ethernet cards are protected. I've looked at the one in my PC and the connector is protected by a gas discharge tube!] {But if you plan to use the serial cables for internal routings (i.e. in controlled environments), it should be reasonably safe not to have them.} Suggestion: look in the RS data book. They have several RS232 transceivers that have overvoltage protection. Among them include the LT1080, LT1081 and MAX250 and MAX251. The Maxims are suppose to be electrically isolated ones but still need opto-isolators to work (don't ask me why. I've never used them before. Another alternative is an RS232 surge protector. Two are listed in the RS catalogue. If you need additional info (i.e. stock nos.), just e-mail me. Soh Kam Yung, engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg " 8798,17,From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Poem by Erich Fried Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500363:000:1387 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 25 05:29:00 1993 Lines: 46 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Poem by Erich Fried Poem by German-Jewish poet Erich Fried (Holocaust survivor) Ein Jude an die zionistischen Kaempfer - 1988 von Erich Fried Was wollt ihr eigentlich ? Wollt ihr wirklich die uebertreffen die euch niedergetreten haben vor einem Menschenalter in euer eigenes Blut und in euren eigenen Kot ? * Wollt ihr die alten Foltern jetzt an andere weitergeben mit allen blutigen dreckigen Einzelheiten mit allem brutalen Genuss die Folterknechte wie unsere Vaeter sie damals erlitten haben ? * Wollt jetzt wirklich ihr die neue Gestapo sein die neue Wehrmacht die neue SA and SS und aus den Palaestinensern die neuen Juden machen ? * Aber dann will auch ich weil ich damals vor fuenfzig Jahren selbst als ein Judenkind gepeinigt wurde von euren Peinigern ein neuer Jude sein mit diesen neuen Juden zu denen ihr die Palaestinenser macht * Und ich will sie zurueckfuehren helfen als freie Menschen in ihr eigenes Land Palaestina aus dem ihr sie vertrieben habt oder in dem ihr sie quaelt ihr Hakenkreuzlehrlinge ihr Narren und Wechselbaelge der Weltgeschichte denen der Davidstern auf euren Fahnen sich immer schneller verwandelt in das verfluchte Zeichen mit den vier Fuessen das ihr nun nicht sehen wollt aber dessen Weg ihr heut geht ! ------------------------------------------------------ 8799,4,"From: simsh@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Hillel Y. Sims) Subject: what size vram simm is this? Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 20 Hi everyone. I recently posted about how I received a bad vram chip for my new LCIII, and someone responded that it may not actually be bad, but it may be a 512K LC vram chip, and thus doesn't work properly with my computer. So I'm wondering if anyone can interpret these codes for me, so I can figure out what type of chip MacConnection sent me. Each chip says: M518121A-80J 2515251 On the back of the card, it says 0593 I believe from the numbers that means it is an 80ns chip, but I can't figure out what the size is supposed to be. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. Please email me your response. Thanks a lot! -- Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ""Is rot13 rotated 13 forward or backward?"" --Anonymous " 8800,1,"From: rah13@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert A Holak) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: rah13@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert A Holak) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 3 A shareware graphics program called Pman has a filter that makes a picture look like a hand drawing. This picture could probably be converted into vector format much easier because it is all lines. (With Corel Trace, etc..) " 8801,18,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Help fight the Clinton Administration's invasion of your privacy Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 In article <9308@blue.cis.pitt.edu> cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) writes: >The Clinton Administration wants to ""manage"" your use of digital >encryption. This includes a proposal which would limit your use of >encryption to a standard developed by the NSA, the technical details of >which would remain classified with the government. > >This cannot be allowed to happen. > It is a bit unfair to call blame the Clinton Administration alone...this initiative was underway under the Bush Administration...it is basically a bipartisan effort of the establishment Demopublicans and Republicrats...the same bipartisan effort that brought the S&L scandal, and BCCI, etc. Gerald " 8802,12,"From: hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr (Hojoong Kim) Subject: Looking for Electronics Dept Info in Austrailia Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 Hi Netters! I am looking for the list of universities in Austrailia, which has electronics department. I am considering to spend a year for research in Austrailia about communication area.ýé I am interested in Mobile communication areas and spread spectrum communications etc. But I don't have any information about Austrailian Universities. Can anybody recommend a good university in coûßmmunic÷³ation area? Any comments will be welcomed! Bye. Jaehyung Kim " 8803,3,"From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) Subject: Tape Backup Question Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] X-Posted-From: asteroid.msi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 18 Hello folks! I have an Archive XL5580 (internal QIC-80) tape drive, which is pretty comparable to the Colorado Jumbo 250. Since I have two floppy drives in my system, I'm using a small card (not accelerated) made by Archive to attach my tape drive as a third floppy device. The problem: Although the DOS-based QICstream software works just fine, both the Norton and Central Point backup programs for Windows fail unless I switch the machine to non-turbo speed (I'm using a 486DX/33 EISA). Since the DOS software works, it can't be a hardware problem, can it? Has anyone seen similar problems? Any solutions? Thanks in advance. -- +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+ | JERRY J. SHEKHEL | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages | | Drummers do it... | Burlington, MA USA | in my book of memories. | | ... In rhythm! | jerry@msi.com | -- Guns N' Roses | +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+ " 8804,2,"From: ralph@spss.com (Ralph Brendler) Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1 Organization: SPSS, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 53 In article <1qv1rc$fcp@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) writes: > Hi all, > > has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory, > after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ? > > Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded > functions. > For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions: > void same_name ( void ) > void same_name ( int ) > > After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the > adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined > function pointer. > Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ? > > thanx I think you may be chasing the wrong problem. I don't think it is the function overloading at all-- I do that sort of thing all of the time in BC++ without a hitch. The big problems I have encountered in porting MFC to BC++ is that fact that MFC _depends_ on a couple of invalid C++ assumptions. I have never gotten the _entire_ ctrltest app to run under BC++, but the reason is that MS makes some bad assumptions about the order in which static/global objects are initialized (i.e. some objects are getting accessed before they are initialized). The problem is in the owner-draw menu code somewhere-- if you comment out that section, all other pieces of ctrltest work fine. Two other major gotchas I have found using MFC under BC++: - The CFile::OpenFlags enum uses hard-coded numbers for the open mode, rather than the manifest constants defined in fcntrl.h (which differ between MSC and BC). - All of the MFC collection classes depend on another bad C++ assumption-- that a reference to a base object can used be in place of a reference to a derived object (true for pointers, NOT for references). I am sure there are other problems along the same lines, but I have not encountered them (yet). I have not seen MFC 2.0 yet, but I hope that some of these will be addressed. If they are not, all of MS's hype about portability to other vendor's compilers will be just that. -- If these were my employer's opinions, I wouldn't be posting them. ############################################################################### ""Whoever said nothing lasts forever was obviously # R. Brendler NOT a Cubs fan..."" - Mike Royko # SPSS, Inc. - Chicago IL " 8805,7,"From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) Subject: RE: MILITECH Distribution: world Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) Lines: 22 jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes: -> I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to hear -> your comments. -> -> MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of -> this product really impressive, if it didn't cheat. Well, I heard that Militech stuff works pretty good too.. One of my friends who races in SCCA sanctioned events and all that stuff got the Militech stuff early as a trial thing, and he put it in his CRX.. He says it worked great, but I didn't ask him for any details. -Erich erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 8806,10,"From: monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david n monack) Subject: Re: ESPN Tonight Organization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona Lines: 17 In <1qkj1kINN3g1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: >Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight. They said they will >show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would >be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game... Anyone heard for >sure??? > Jeff Swartz I heard it will be the Minnesota-Detroit game. Don't know the time though. Dave -- David Monack e-mail: monack@gas.uug.arizona.edu ""Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another."" H.L. Mencken " 8807,13,"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Distribution: usa Lines: 36 In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) wrote: > > > A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's > disease. > > But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, > without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. > > Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the > problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > > (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). > > Thanks in advance, > John Eyles > jge@cs.unc.edu If she is having problems with fresh vegetables, the guess is that there is some obstruction of the intestine. Without knowing more it is not possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring, or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine. In general, there are no dietary limitations in patients with Crohn's except as they relate to obstruction. There is no evidence that any foods will bring on recurrence of Crohn's. It is important to distinguish recurrence from recurrent symptoms. A physician would think of new inflammation as recurrence, while pains from raw veggies just imply a narrowing of the intestine. Your friend should look into membership in the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 Good luck to your friend. Steve Holland " 8808,9,"From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Info needed for Cleveland tickets Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr1.234031.4950@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes: |> I'm going to be in Cleveland Thursday, April 15 to Sunday, April 18. |> Does anybody know if the Tribe will be in town on those dates, and |> if so, who're they playing and if tickets are available? The tribe will be in town from April 16 to the 19th. There are ALWAYS tickets available! (Though they are playing Toronto, and many Toronto fans make the trip to Cleveland as it is easier to get tickets in Cleveland than in Toronto. Either way, I seriously doubt they will sell out until the end of the season.) -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 " 8809,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: , mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> > And we, meaning people who drive, |> > accept the risks of doing so, and contribute tax money to design systems |> > to minimize those risks. |> |> Eh? We already have systems to minimize those risks. It's just that you car |> drivers don't want to use them. |> |> They're called bicycles, trains and buses. Poor Matthew. A million posters to call ""you car drivers"" and he chooses me, a non car owner. jon. " 8810,15,"From: sml@rpsyc.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Nottingham University Lines: 60 In article , you wrote: > The genius of science is that it discovered that enormous progress > in knowledge could be made by isolating the study of physical > interactions for the more general areas of study and proceeding > not by logical argument but by experiment. The scientific method > is hypothesize, attempt to disprove the hypothesis, if you fail, > publish, if others fail to disprove your hypothesis, accept it > as a working theory and move on. This method is suitable only > for the study of objects without will, objects which do not > take an interest in the experiment. Science does not progress via experimentation but by philosophising. One aim of experiments is to investigate the validity of the hyptheses resulting from the models produced by this thinking process. > The arrogance of science is the assumption many advocates of > science make that the scientific method is the only method of > serious study, the only one leading to knowledge rather than > belief. Science has one advantage of all other approaches to explaining the world. It is objective. > Its further arrogance, is the assumption which arises > that, since science is the only valid method of thought, everything > which exists must be the sort of thing which the scientific > method can study, and that if the scientific method cannot > study it it either does not exist or cannot in any way be known. Anything which affects the physical world can be studied. For example, since we are part of the physical world, anything (including spirits) which affects our behaviour can be observed. Science does not make any claims about the existence or non-existence of objects which do not affect the physical world. > Since these asumptions about the nature of the world cannot > themselves be made the subject of experiment, it is bad science > to believe them, as well as arrogance, illogic, and just plain > sloppy thinking. The purpose of science is to produce a model of the *physical* world. The model must be able to explain all past observations and predict the outcome of future observations. One of the aims of experiments is to carry out well defined observations which are objective. Ideally scientist will except the model which best describes the world, and the model which realises on the minimal number of assumptions. At the moment models which do not rely on the assumption of some *spiritual* world existing are equally powerful to ones which assume the assumption of a *spiritual* world. As the non-spiritual models has fewer assumptions it should be the currently accepted models. The scientific process never assumes that its present models are the correct ones, whereas many religions claim to represent the truth. The arrogance of many theists is that they claim to represent the truth, this cannot be said of scientists. Steve Lang SLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK " 8811,3,"From: junaid@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr A. Walker) Subject: 2 Sound Blasters in 1 machine Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 10 Is it possible to have 2 Sound Blasters in 1 machine? Would give your the equivalent of a SB Pro but with stereo Digitized sound. The way Creative Labs price Pro's in Oz, the price is equal. I suppose you could set the I/O addresses to 220 and 240H but what about the DMA channels? Any way what is this DMA channel sharing hype? Does it share the SB and hardisk DMA channels or something more esoteric? " 8812,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Cute X clients Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 69 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Try this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include #include #include Display *dpy; int screen; XColor *xclrs,*xclrp; XID cmap; int cells,i,j,red,green,blue,got; main() { dpy = XOpenDisplay(NULL); screen = DefaultScreen(dpy); cells = DisplayCells(dpy,screen); cmap = XCreateColormap(dpy,RootWindow(dpy,screen),DefaultVisual(dpy,screen),1); xclrs = (XColor *)malloc(cells * sizeof(*xclrs)); xclrp = xclrs; for (i=0; ipixel = i; xclrp->flags = 7; xclrp++; }; XQueryColors(dpy,DefaultColormap(dpy,screen),xclrs,cells); XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); got = 1; while(got) { xclrp = xclrs; got = 0; for(i=0; ired < 65000) {xclrp->red += 256; got = 1;}; if(xclrp->green < 65000) {xclrp->green +=256; got=1;}; if(xclrp->blue < 65000) {xclrp->blue +=256; got=1;}; xclrp ++; } XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); /* XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); */ } got = 1; while(got) { xclrp = xclrs; got = 0; for(i=0; ired > 256) {xclrp->red -= 256; got = 1;}; if(xclrp->green > 256) {xclrp->green -=256; got=1;}; if(xclrp->blue > 256) {xclrp->blue -=256; got=1;}; xclrp ++; } XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); /* XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); */ } } -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It will work on any PseudoColor XServer. (hopefully :) -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 8813,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 68 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > If the Clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses, obviously one > could do the same thing WITHOUT building in back doors. I agree. So why is Cylink the only (and expensive) game in town? Note: I think Cylink is great, and if my boss would double my salary, I'd buy a bunch of their stuff :). One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you look at it :). > Indeed, even without special engineering, you can construct a good > system right now. A standard codec chip, a chip to do vocoding, a DES > chip, a V32bis integrated modem module, and a small processor to do > glue work, are all you need to have a secure phone. Great! Where can I buy it? Another note: If ""Clipper"" increases the incentive to bring stronger encryption to the mass market, all the better. It's far overpriced at the moment. > Yes, cheap crypto is good -- but we don't need it from the government. I don't care where we *need* to get it from, I care where we *can* get it from, and whether it will interoperate with everyone else. > Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to > stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to > the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for the > NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As it > is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been for > them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. You can build them right now as long as you don't want to export (a restriction I firmly oppose). The only thing stopping people from making cheap encryption is greed: they want a lock on the market. > They aren't the ones making cheap crypto available. They are the ones > keeping cheap crypto out of people's hands. When they hand you a > clipper chip, what you are getting is a mess of pottage -- your prize > for having traded in your birthright. Oh, come on. Only if you trust it farther than it deserves. A Clipper phone *IS NOT* a substitute for a Cylink phone, or a STU-III. It's a substitute for the ""voice scramblers"" advertised in the back of Radio Electronics. > Are we getting cheaper crypto > for ourselves? No, because the market would have provided that on its > own had they not deliberately sabotaged it. I disagree. Modulo ITAR, it's not the government that has sabotaged the market. > Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in > exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 8814,3,"From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) Subject: How long do monitors last???? Article-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.200422.65952 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 21 Well, my 14inch VGA 1024x758-interlacing 2.5 year old no brand monitor just bit the bullet. I pressed the power switch and a few seconds later, the power light went out with a POP. Gawd, it's only been two and half years. How long would normal monitors last? I think the problem with my monitor is the power switch... but the image was getting pretty dim anyway (I needed to have my contrast all the way to the max...). And the screen did flicker from time to time. Is this normal (hehehe) or do I just have the worst of luck??? Question: What do I do now???? Buy a new one? Get it fixed? Save up for a *really* good one and get by with a cheap EGA monitor for now? I rather save my money to upgrade my 386SX to 486-66 though... Thanks! -- =============================================================================== What engineers say: Extensive effort is being applied on a fresh approach to the problem. What they *really* mean: We just hired three new guys; we'll let them kick it around for a while. ==================(Robert) Bobby Yung_____RY01@Lehigh.Edu====================== " 8815,2,"From: leo@cae.wisc.edu (Leo Lim) Subject: FAST DOS'VGA and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed. Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 24 ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB. I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows. but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA, especially this new Strike Commander. ;-) this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench). my winmark was 6.35 million, i think. so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps. i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it in csipg and it looked that SpeedStar 24X and Orchid Prodesigner 2d-s ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard. both can give >30fps in DOS' VGA w/ 486dx2/66. Does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor type ? which one is the worthiest(not necessarily fastest)? any other card recommendation is welcomed too. also, if possible, where can i get 'this' card for the cheapest? ;-) thanks in advance, folks! ===Martin " 8816,11,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Organization: Ministry of Truth In-Reply-To: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:44:58 GMT Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 58 Fascinating. Most of the content of the White House announcements was in what was *not* said. It gives us almost nothing of value, threatens to take away a lot, and does it with a sincere smile on its face, and the nice friendly word ""Management"". FACT SHEET PUBLIC ENCRYPTION MANAGEMENT The first thing it doesn't say is ""We're giving you stronger encryption"". what it says is the U. S. Government has developed a microcircuit that not only provides privacy through encryption that is substantially more robust than the current government standard, but also permits escrowing of the keys needed to unlock the encryption. The system for the escrowing of keys will allow the government to gain access to encrypted information only with appropriate legal authorization. But DES is strong enough that only the government can break it now, so the major effect is to make it EASIER for government to break! *At best* it makes it more difficult for the NSA to break, since they need to get one of the two escrowed keys to do a brute-force search for the other 40-bit key. Similarly, it didn't say ""We're making encryption is commercially available."" because encryption *is* already commercially available, including forms the NSA may not be able to break, like triple-DES or IDEA. And phone companies could offer DES-based systems *now* if they were convinced the government would let them and they could make enough money. The next thing it didn't say is ""We're making encryption legal"", because of course encryption *has always been* legal, and the President can't change the First Amendment merely by decree. What it *did* say was: In making this decision, I do not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- escrow system. which clearly means ""We're making encryption illegal unless we get your keys. Soon. Once business buys into this."" Another thing it didn't say is ""We're going to ask Congress for money to do *lots* more wiretapping"", because of course, there's a budget crisis, and Congress might debate the policy issues or not give them the cash. What it *did* say was: The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. which means ""We've got money Congress can't control and we're going to buy lots of wiretapping equipment with it to detect NON-APPROVED CRYPTO (that's what ""preserve the government's ability to conduct ... surveillance"" means.) -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 " 8817,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 61 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening in > on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me > ""disappeared"" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what > sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who > have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me. I understand, believe it or not, and there are any number of kinds of conversation and communication I engage in that I wouldn't even consider using this scheme for. On the other hand, I don't see ""Clipper"" as providing a secure channel--it just prevents casual eavesdropping. This is part of why I am not worried about it per se. Trying to look at Clipper as a serious security tool is simply ludicrous. It's a voice scrambler, nothing more. There is still plenty of market for real crypto. > As for ""its better than the status quo"", well, first of all, you can > get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work > well. They cost an arm and a leg, though. ""Clipper"" is obviously aimed at the mass market. It certainly won't put Cylink out of business. > In addition, a number of groups are now working on building > software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and > they are all working in overdrive mode. This is old news. I can do this now. > There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want > RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right. There ARE restrictions. Example: We're a networking software vendor with a large overseas share of our market. We cannot currently ship PEM, or even simple DES, in our products without case-by-case approval from the Department of State. ITAR presents a material trade barrier to US firms trying to compete in international information systems markets. Sure, you can use whatever freebie software you want to talk over BBS's in the USA. I, on the other hand, want strong crypto (PKCS, for example) to be the *default* for electronic mail, worldwide. I want priests to be able to hear confession over email. I want lawyers to be able to talk to clients in confidence over email, or doctors talk with patients. I want to be able to order products from my favorite Japanese mail-order catalog over the net. I want to be able to sign contracts, transact business, and so on electronically. This is so far infeasible as a result of the current restrictions on crytographic systems, especially beyond the borders of the USA. Clipper is irrelevant, and if it distracts the authorities into feeling safe, all the better. Its only danger is if it emboldens them into trying to put more restrictions into place, on the theory that it is ""good enough for anyone who has nothing to hide."" That argument is, of course, utter BS, just as much as ""no one needs an assault rifle"". Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 8818,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: health care reform Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article custer@wrc.wrgrace.com (Linda Custer) writes: > >Also, I'm not sure that physician fees at the very, very highest levels >don't have to come down. (I'm not talking about the bulk of physicians >making good but not great salaries who have mega-loans from medical school >debts.) I'd also like to see some strong ethics with teeth for physicians I agree that some specialties have gotten way out of line. The main problem is the payment method for procedures rather than time distorts the system. I hope they will fix that. But I'm afraid, as usual, the local doc is going to take the brunt. People grouse about paying $50 to see their home doctor in his office, but don't mind paying $20,000 to have brain surgery. They think their local doc is cheating them but worship the feet of the neurosurgeon who saved their life. What they don't realize is that we need more local docs and fewer -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8819,15,"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: iterations of the bible Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 53 Hi... I'm not a religious guy so dont take this as some kinda flame (thanx in advance) I want to know why there are so many different versions of the bible? There is this version of the bible I have read about and on the front page it says: ""....contains inaccurate data and inconsistencies."" Thanx in advance... Shaz.... [I'm not sure quite what you mean by many different versions. The primary distinction in versions you see today is in the style of the translation. It's pretty unusual to see significant differences in meaning. There are a few differences in the underlying text. That's because before printing, manuscripts were copied by hand. Slight differences resulted. There are enough manuscripts around that scholars can do a pretty good job of recreating the original, but there are some uncertainties. Fortunately, they are generally at the level of minor differences in wording. There are something like 3 or 4 places where whole sentences are involved, but with recent discoveries of older manuscripts, I don't think there's much uncertainly about those cases. As far as I know, no Christians believe that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of translating is free of error. But I also don't think there's enough uncertainty in establishing the text or translating it that it has much practical effect. Whether the Bible contains inaccurate data and inconsistences is a hot topic of debate here. Many Christians deny it. Some accept it (though most would say that the inaccuracies involved are on details that don't affect the faith). But this has nothing to do with there being multiple versions. The supposed inconsistences can be found in all the versions. I'm surprised to find a reference to this on the title page though. What version are you talking about? I've been referring to major scholarly translations. These are what get referenced in postings here and elsewhere. There have certainly been editions that are (to be kind) less widely accepted. This includes everything from reconstructions that combine parallel accounts into single narrations, to editions that omit material that the editor objects to for some reason or the other. The copyright on the Bible has long since expired, so there nothing to stop people from making editions that do whatever wierd thing they want. However the editions that are widely used are carefully prepared by groups of scholars from a variety of backgrounds, with lots of crosschecks. I could imagine one of the lesser-known editions claiming to have fixed up all inaccurate data and inconsistencies. But if so, it's not any edition that's widely used. The widely used ones leave the text as is. (Weeeeelllllll, almost as is. It's been alleged that a few translations have fudged a word or two here and there to minimize inconsistencies. Because translation is not an exact science, there are always going to be differences in opinion over which word is best, I'm afraid.) --clh] " 8820,5,From: arana@labein.ES (Jose Luis Arana) Subject: X Graphics Accelerators Organization: The Internet Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu How can I obtain public information (documentation and sources) about Xservers implemented with graphics processors? I am specially interested in Xservers developed for the TMS34020 Texas Instruments graphic processor. Please send answer to arana@labein.es 8821,6,"From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: WANTED: HP ScanJet (and ADF) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 10 I need some used scanners. I'm limiting my selection to HP models with document feeders. I think this means the ScanJet Plus and the ScanJet IIc. so...if you have one of these and want to sell it, please tell me. --kyler P.S. I need only one with a Mac interface; the others are for IBM-PC compatibles. " 8822,0,"From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Subject: Islam vs the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Society for Trying Really Hard Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr2.223248.19014@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@princeton.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >>But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with >>the other angels free moral will. > >>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability >>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself), > >So Lucifer's moral choices are determined by his will. >What determines what his will is? >-- >qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated. Bobby- A few posts ago you said that Lucifer had no free will. From the above it seems the JW believes the contrary. Are you talking about the same Lucifer? If so, can you suggest an experiment to determine which of you is wrong? Or do you claim that you are both right? -Norman " 8823,6,"Subject: STAR TREK ORNAMENT From: danguye@eis.calstate.edu (Dang V Nguyen) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 10 Hey, I have some Star Trek Christmas Ornaments for sale. They are the the Hallmark Shuttle Craft Galileo. They went for $24.00 during christmas. I am willing to sell it for that price + shipping. If you are interested and have some questions, please reply... give me a call at 714-539-4251.. DANG " 8824,2,"From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes: > >(1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like > to give them some individuality. Do you mean the icons _of_ the program groups, or the icons of the individual programs _in_ the program groups? I assume you mean the latter, and the answer is: sure you can. Just click once (not double) on the application icon, then Alt-F P (File | Properties). Click on the Change Icon box and tell it the icon filename. Or use the Browse sub-selection. >(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? > I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I > can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . I use Alt-Tab. Hold the Alt key and repeatedly press Tab until you see Program Mangler up. Then release the Alt key. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems brown@Ncoast.ORG English is my native language and I love it. But don't try to tell me that it's easy to learn or that it makes sense. If it were, ""baseline"" would rhyme with ""vaseline"". " 8825,9,"From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 34 In article <8994@blue.cis.pitt.edu> traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes: > >One of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn's 'Hidden Game' is titled >'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,' implying that fielding is 6%. How do >they determine that? Beats me -- it's been a long, long time since I >read it. This was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The argument was 1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game. 2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%. 3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and earned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12% of defense and pitching is 88% of defense. 4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%. Pete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in the 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and pitching. >One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the >split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, Gordon). Clay D. " 8826,10,"From: yatrou@INRS-Telecom.Uquebec.CA (Paul Yatrou) Subject: Re: Stop predicting Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada. Lines: 22 In <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu> cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes: >It is really annoying to see all of these >predictions on the Net. Who really cares >who you think will win? Please stop with >the predictions, we all know the Caps are >going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. > > >David Kaupang >cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu Yeah, but first they have to deal with the Devils, who've had their number all year. I'm not saying the Caps aren't a good team (they've been a thorn on the Habs side for the past 10 years!!!), just that they won't get past NJ... Paul Yatrou yatrou@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca (running my pool today, wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!!) " 8827,10,"From: jwodzia@fadel.uucp (john wodziak) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Reply-To: jwodzia@fadel.UUCP (john wodziak) Organization: Clemson University Engineering Department Lines: 25 In article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: >My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York >City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks >really sharp. Doesn't it also have the Statue of Liberty on it or is that Richter's Mask? The back actually has a Bee followed by a Z to represent the Beezer. It also has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from the Led Zepplin 4 album cover. Is that what it is supposed to be? and if it is does anybody know why he would put it there? Ali? > Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! > ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" John ""The official Language of Golf is Profanity"" In Hockey Hell...............jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu............John R. Wodziak The REAL Black and Gold |In Memorium: #7 Alan Kulwicki 1954-1993 | Bean Will Triumph over those who |A Polish Yankee Mechanical Engineer, | Town are Pretenders to the Crown.|1992 Winston Cup Champion & a great Person| ROCKS! " 8828,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: migraine and exercise Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 29 JL> From: jlecher@pbs.org JL> > I would not classify a mild headache that was continuous for weeks JL> > as migraine, even if the other typical features were there (e.g., JL> > unilateral, nausea and vomiting, photophobia). Migraines are, by JL> > common agreement, episodic rather than constant. JL> > JL> Well, I'm glad that you aren't my doctor, then, or I'd still be suffering. JL> Remember, I was tested for any other cause, and there was nothing. I'm JL> otherwise very healthy. JL> The nagging pain has all of the qualifications: it's on one side, and JL> frequently included my entire right side: right arm, right leg, right eye, JL> even the right side of my tongue hurt or tingled. Noise hurt, light hurt, JL> thinking hurt. When it got bad, I would lose my ability to read. The differential diagnosis between migraine and non-migranous pain is not *always* important, because some therapies are effective in both (e.g., tricyclic antidepressants such as amitriptyline, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen). Other therapies may be more specific: beta-blockers such as propranolol work better in migraine than tension-type headache. The most important thing, from your perspective, is that you got relief. Also, please understand that a diagnosis other than migraine does not necessarily mean ""psychogenic""; I suspect that organic factors play as large a role in tension-type headache as in migraine. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 8829,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Monophysites and Mike Walker Lines: 45 > - Mike Walker > >[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human, >that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human. I >think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic >definition of humanity. It's a consequence of the fall. Jesus is >human, but not a fallen human. --clh] The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism. This was a heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. It grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus are two different people who happened to be united in the same body temporarily. Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. It believes that Jesus Christ was God (which is correct), that he was man (which is correct), that he was one person (which is correct), but that he had only one nature and one will and oen energy (which is heretical, the orthodox position is that he had two natures and two wills and two energies, both divine and human, though the wills were in perfect harmony). That is what Mike is trying to get across, that while Jesus came in human form, Mike says He did not have a human nature or a human will. In reality, he had both, though neither made him subject to original sin. It is interesting to note that the Monothelites were a reaction to this conflict and attempted to solve the problem by admitting two natures but not two wills or two energies. It also was condemned, at a late council in Constantinople I believe. Andy Byler [These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I don't think there's any question that there is a problem with Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from orthodoxy as many had thought. Nestorius was an extreme representative of one of the two major schools of thought. More moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of Mopsuestia. My impression is that the modern monophysite groups inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as orthodox. --clh] " 8830,9,"Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Expires: 5/9/93 Distribution: usa Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Summary: Big Ben NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Lines: 25 I don't know if you could call him rushed, but ""Big"" Ben McDonald didn't much time at all in the minors. Of course that was because the balls used in AAA had seams too large and gave McDonald blisters forcing him to go on the DL several times. He's done most of his learning here in the majors. Of course Gregg ""Wild Thing"" Olson and Mike ""Deserved a Cy Young"" Mussina didn't spend much time in the minors either. I read somewhere that pitchers are less likely to need that much time in the minors anyway so maybe that has something to do with it. Let's go O's! Why Not? Admiral Steve ""Still reliving Sept. 30, 1989"" Liu ____________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |Commander-In-Chief of the Security Division of the Pi Club - Earth Chapter| | President of the Earth Chapter of the Pi Club - Founded April 1990 | |1993 World Champions - Baltimore Orioles - Why Not? - Series in the Yards| | 1992-1993 Stanley Cup Champions - Washington Capitals | | ""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | | and their Rehabilitation Into Society, the only problem is that the | | abbreviation is CLITORIS."" from the ""Polymorph"" episode of Red Dwarf | |*****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!*****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! 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Flanagan | | The Pi Club - Creating the largest .signatures for the past nine months | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 8831,18,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Lines: 29 In article goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>his so called stimulus package. >>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>immunizations for poor kids. >> >>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. > > In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health > care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give > a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services > delivered to their doorsteps. I've read about more than a few of these programs that ran into problems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even when they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don't know, maybe that sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side- effects, and bad reactions scares them.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 8832,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 21 Woops. I'm not sure if I screwed up, but this is either forgery or some sort of mistake (aborted post that didn't abort) on my part. Bogus article below if seen in another post should be ignored.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) / 3:29 pm Apr 13, 1993 / / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) / 1:49 am Apr 12, 1993 / In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) writes: > >I certainly hope this is somebody's idea of a joke, as poor as it it... >My earlier posting mentioning an illegal firearms MANUFACTURING site being >searched for by the Feds in the Florida area was evidently ignored.. Let's look at this critically: 1.How many guns did this illegal manufacturing site make compared to -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry. Rick. " 8833,14,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Griffin / Office of Exploration: RIP Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 43 yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >Any comments on the absorbtion of the Office of Exploration into the >Office of Space Sciences and the reassignment of Griffin to the ""Chief >Engineer"" position? Is this just a meaningless administrative >shuffle, or does this bode ill for SEI? >In my opinion, this seems like a Bad Thing, at least on the surface. >Griffin seemed to be someone who was actually interested in getting >things done, and who was willing to look an innovative approaches to >getting things done faster, better, and cheaper. It's unclear to me >whether he will be able to do this at his new position. >Does anyone know what his new duties will be? First I've heard of it. Offhand: Griffin is no longer an ""office"" head, so that's bad. On the other hand: Regress seemed to think: we can't fund anything by Griffin, because that would mean (and we have the lies by the old hardliners about the $ 400 billion mars mission to prove it) that we would be buying into a mission to Mars that would cost 400 billion. Therefore there will be no Artemis or 20 million dollar lunar orbiter et cetera... They were killing Griffin's main program simply because some sycophants somewhere had Congress beleivin that to do so would simply be to buy into the same old stuff. Sorta like not giving aid to Yeltsin because he's a communist hardliner. At least now the sort of reforms Griffin was trying to bring forward won't be trapped in their own little easily contained and defunded ghetto. That Griffin is staying in some capacity is very very very good. And if he brings something up, noone can say ""why don't you go back to the OSE where you belong"" (and where he couldn't even get money for design studies). -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 8834,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: insect impacts Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr6.154544.28595@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes: >>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat >>flies, thank you. >Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph >on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute. Obviously never rode a good 250 or open-class bike! --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======-------- Dr. Speed Suzuki GS850G DoD #8177 " 8835,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 19 In article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: }In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in }front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the }jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch }into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a }better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than }from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors. This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a ""back off"" motion with my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially not in front. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 8836,3,"From: luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: (Q) SCSI&IDE (i.e. 2 or more hard drives) Reply-To: luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 20 PLEASE: response directly to me (luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) by email. IF there are a sufficient number of interesting responses, I will post a summary (on April 24 or 25). I have waded through the mass of SCSI-IDE posting, but I missed any answers to a question posted early on -- Has anyone (successfully) put both SCSI and IDE hard drives on the same system? I am particularly interested in having the SCSI as the _boot_ drive. For those who have managed this feat, I would appreciate a bit more information, such as what drives, which SCSI controller, and (if possible) what motherboard & BIOS (plus any other relevant info.). Thanks in advance, Robert Luoma (luoma@binah.cc.brandeis) --> all flames will be stored on my WORN drive <-- " 8837,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge Lines: 36 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1phgakINN9pb@apache.dtcc.edu>, bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) writes: |>In article <1993Apr2.093952.1149@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: |> |>> Ed, they are losing their humor. Please take a break until they |>>get funny again (?), if that is even possible. I liked a few of these, |>>but that list is not even sarcastic, just insulting and definitely not |>>one of your best. I look forward to some better lists after a sabatical? |>>ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU |> |> No, they must be working, they are getting lots of these 'complaints' |>that they are not funny.... Keep 'em coming, it they weren't funny or |>bothering them they'd just ignore them.... If a six year old child does a funny trick and you say well done he will do it again and it may be funny. Then they may repeat it over and over again bu you still have to pretend its funny even though it isn't any more. Once they are older than six you expect them to realise that doing the same thing over and over again isn't funny any more. Basicaly Ed fails to be amusing because he is merely crass. He does not make jokes that have any political content beyond attempting to ridicule their target. Calling someone Slick Willie is not funny even if you put on a red nose while you say it, it was a good debating point used on the spur of the moment 12 months ago but now its use merely demonstrates that the user couldn't think of anything original to say. In the UK there is a tradition of old retired Colnels who bore the dinner guests rigid with their descriptions of old campagns. Ed is clearly one of this type of people who fails to see when a joke is spent. Phill Hallam-Baker " 8838,17,"From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) Subject: Re: KH news # 1026 Originator: sehari@vincent2.iastate.edu Organization: NTT Corp. Japan Lines: 23 I wrote: @ From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 @ -------------------------- @ @ o Dr. Namaki, deputy minister of health stated that infant @ mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120 @ per thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at @ the end of 1371 (last month). @ @ o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only @ 254f children received vaccinations to protect them @ from various deseases but this figure reached 93at @ the end of 1371. Something funny happens to the percent sign. In paragraph above, the vaccination rate went from 25 percent to 93 percent. - Farzin -- " 8839,3,"From: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com Subject: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY Organization: Hewlett-Packard Waltham Division Reply-To: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com () Keywords: WRITE-720 Lines: 10 OK all you experts! Need answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated 720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not. Note: It 'll read 720's with no problem. Please e_mail or post. " 8840,10,"Subject: Re: Potvin's new goalie mask From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 24 In article , allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: > slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: > >>I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had >>a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL >>goalies. They talked about how they are made, what they are made of, >>and the designs that are put on them, etc. > >>The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up. >>It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking >>black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix >>Potvin, but he never said whose it was. > > Are you sure this program was current? I know that Grant Fuhr > had a black panther on the forehead of his mask when he played with > the Leafs. It would seem logical that the mask is Potvins. His nickname is ""The Cat"", which would go a long ways towards explaining the panther. Of course, it could be an old story and the mask is Fuhrs, too..... Alan " 8841,5,From: venky@engr.LaTech.edu (Venky M. Venkatachalam) Subject: FAQ in comp.windows.x Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ee11.engr.latech.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Is there any FAQ list for Programming in X windows? Thankx for the info bye venky 8842,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Gordon's question on the Nicene Creed Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 28 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Gordon Banks quoted and added... gb> In article gb> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: gb> gb> > gb> > Christians have professed for more than 1660 years the Nicene gb> >Creed, a statement of beliefs drawn from the truths of Scripture gb> >that was officially accepted by a council of church bishops gb> >and leaders at Nicea in 325 A.D. Christians still recite gb> >this creed regularly in public worship. gb> > gb> gb> So prior to 325 AD there were no Christians? Or all of them really gb> believed the Nicean creed even before it was formulated? Do you gb> really believe such an absurdity? I'm afraid you do. No. I really don't. Honest. The Nicene Creed, as I mentioned above, is a brief statement of beliefs that are derived from Scripture. That this certain list did not exist earlier does not indicate that the beliefs summarized in in did not exist before the formula was derived. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu " 8843,1,"From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Article-I.D.: pdxgate.7306 Organization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 23 In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >> A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and >ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right >now, which is very slow. What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with fast routines than just ""polygons"". It would be nice to know exaclty what system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P - Ian Romanick Dancing Fool of Epsilon []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] | Were the contained thoughts 'opinions', EPN.NTSC.quality = Best| | PSU would probably not agree with them. | | | | ""Look, I don't know anything about | | douche, but I do know Anti-Freeze | | when I see it!"" - The Dead Milkmen | []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] " 8844,4,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Re: Half-page hand scanners? Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu The Logitech ScanMan 32 is a nice unit, compact and effective it will bring in graphics with surprisingly good quality. Note that its effective resolution in grey scale mode is only about 72 dpi. If you don't intend to magnify a graphic, it works fine. A true 256 level gray scanner would work better for images. I've seen the ScanMan go for as little as $100 used. It is a reasonable buy at that price. Higher end hand scanners are almost as expensive as used flat bed scanners. Here is Seattle, the paper shows occasional good bargains in the classifieds. Used color flat beds have been seen as lows as $500 lately. Grey scale flatbeds come in around $300-$350. " 8845,11,"From: ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman) Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 6 With regard to your speculations on NSA involvement in the creation of PKP, I find that it fails the test of Occam's butcher knife. Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by forthright greed. Hilarie Orman " 8846,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: <, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: |> |> >>Look, I'm not the one that made those Nazi comparisons. Other people |> >>compared what the religious people are doing now to Nazi Germany. They |> >>have said that it started out with little things (but no one really knew |> >>about any of these ""little"" things, strangely enough) and grew to bigger |> >>things. They said that the motto is but one of the little things |> >You just contradicted yourself. The motto is one of those little things that |> >nobody has bothered mentiopning to you, huh? |> |> The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People |> said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. |> They said that these were things that everyone should know, and that they |> weren't going to waste their time repeating them. Sounds to me like no one |> knew, either. I looked in some books, but to no avail. That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest of the population. Neither of these were very terrible in themselves, but both helped to set a psychology in which the gradual disenfranchisement of Jews was made easier. jon. " 8847,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 50 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: > >> I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in >> the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread. >> There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New >> Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day. I am not so sure of Jewish proselytism then, but I would like to relate an account of a recent dinner I had with Jews a few months ago. The dinner was instigated by the aunt of the hostess, whom I had met while visiting my wife in Galveston last October. The dear old aunt (now deceased) was very proud of her Jewish heritage, although not especially devout. Her parents were both murdered in Nazi concentration camps in Austria during WWII because they were Jewish. While conversing with her about politics, world affairs and religion, she remarked that it would be a good idea for me to visit her niece on my return to Atlanta. Within two days of returning to Atlanta, her niece called to invite me over for dinner with her husband. I went, not knowing really what to expect, other than stimulating conversation and fellowship. What I got, however, was rather unexpected. The thrust of the evening's discussion was to condemn the Reagan-Bush policies prohibiting abortion counseling in federally funded family planning clinics, prohibiting the sterilization of minorities on welfare here and in Puerto Rico, on the ban on fetal tissue research, and against the Mexico City policy, ""which denies U.S. foreign aid to programs overseas that promote abortion."" The crux of their position was to place the blame for the problems of ""overpopulation,"" rampant domestic crime, African starvation, unwed mothers, etc., on Christianity, rather on the fall of Adam. Now, this is not what I had to come to talk about. But every time I tried to bring up the subject of Judaism, they would condemn Jews for Jesus and admonish me against converting to Judaism, ""because it involves too much study and effort."" And I did not even raise the prospect, nor try to convert them to the truth of Christ! There was certainly no Jewish proselytism going on there. And again, last November I toured a ""traditional"" Jewish synagogue and was subjected to a 30-minute harangue against Jesus and Christianity in general. I realize that these are two isolated incidents, and that the best supervisor I ever had at work is Jewish, but from my experience, the modern Jew is not known for his proselytism. -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) " 8848,12,"From: rbn@apple.com (Robert B. Neville) Subject: Oscilliscopes for sale Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com Recently I posted two oscilliscopes for sale. One has sold, the other is still available: Used, good condition: Hitachi V-422 40MHz Dual-Channel Portable Analog Oscilliscope o 1mV/div o DC offset o alternate magnification (10x magnified & non-magnified waveform) o VERT mode trigger o TV sync separation circuit List price $910.00 (...and the price Fry's electronics just quoted!) :-( Sells for $699.99 (JDR MicroDevices current price) $745.95 (Products International) Your price used $425.00 obo ...I haven't gotten an offer at the asking price, so 'obo' applies... I also have a 'broken' version of the scope which sold: JDR 2000 20MHz Dual-Channel Portable Analog Oscilliscope o 5mV/div o Component Tester (resistors/caps/diodes/coils) o TV video sync filter o z-axis input (intensity modulation) 'Broken' means: The CRT produces a nice, bright trace, but the trace does not correspond to the input signal. My guess is it's repairable but more than a simple calibration problem...but I honestly have not tried to calibrate the scope or otherwise fix it. It's 'as-is'. I paid $60 for it in its current state (I bought it thinking I'd repair it, using the 'good' scope for side-by-side comparison...since I've sold the 'good' scope, the 'bad' one doesn't do me much good) and I'd like to recoup that amount. As above, I'll accept offers and take the best one. I'd prefer a local (Bay Area, California) buyer, so (a) I don't have to ship it and (b) she or he can examine the scope prior to purchase. rbn@apple.com " 8849,4,"From: robrick@erenj.com (Bob Brickman) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Nntp-Posting-Host: big-geek.erenj.com Organization: ER&E, Clinton, NJ. Opinions solely the author's, not the Company's. Distribution: usa Lines: 27 In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu wrote: > > In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com> > rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes: > > I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM > > drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know > > when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part > > number yet. Does anyone know what the part number > > for this drive is and when it will be available? > > > > My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external > > drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply > > I'm not going to use. > > > > -Rodney Jacks > > (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) > While there may not be a part number for the CD300i drive, I have seen a part number for the bezel kit (a new front panel with the slot in it through which you insert the CD). The document (which I got from the 2/10/93 announcement at our Apple office) states the drive kit and bezel kits are separate items and the bezel kit has an SRP of $149 fro the C650. The external unit may be a better deal after all. Bob Brickman -- disclaimer: the preceding represent my personal opinions and do not reflect the opinions, policies, or practices of my employer " 8850,12,"From: verity@jack.sns.com (Steve Verity) Subject: Need help with video detection circuit Organization: Systems'n'Software Lines: 55 I am trying to build a circuit that detects the presence of video (Vs. a blank screen) by monitoring the R,G, and B outputs of a graphics card. It should be able to detect the presence of a single pixel at 65 MHz, which would mean detecting a 15 NS pulse. It should also be able to tell the difference between a blank screen (about 300 mv) and a dim screen (say, around 310 mv). Oh yes, it also needs to be cheap. My first circuit was a dismal failure. I used 3 compariators; each compariator had the + input going to one of the guns, the - input went to a reference created by a voltage divider(a potentiometer). The first problem was that the compariator was way too slow.. I needed to get several pixels in a row before it would fire the compariators, so I could have a whole screen full of text, but my circuit would not detect it. The second problem is that there was more noise on the reference then the smallest difference between a blank screen and a dim screen. In fact the difference between completely black and completely white is only 650 mv. I am wondering if I am going to have to amplify the video signals to make this work. There are faster compariators, but they are expensive, and require split supplies. I would need to replace my .49 quad compariator with three 1.89 compariators, and create a whole new power supply circuit. At this point, I think what I need is some sort of transistor circuit. Transistors are fast and cheap and should do the trick... Unfortunately, I am way out of my league when It comes to designing transistor circuits, so I am appealing to the net for help. Any ideas, tips, circuits, pointers, references, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Oh yes, I only sample the output of this thing every second or so, so I don't need a fast response time at all, however, I haven't found a way to take advantage of that fact. Thanks a lot for any help anybody might be able to give. Of course, you will have my undying gratitude. Steve Verity -- ..........>.........>........>......>...>...>..>..>..>..>.>.>.>>>>>>>>+ . Steve Verity + + ...Maxed on MIDI + . + verity@jack.sns.com + .. + " 8851,1,"From: kardank@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Kardan Kaveh) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 8 I haven't been following this thread, so appologies if this has already been mentioned, but how about comp.graphics.3d -- Kaveh Kardan kardank@ERE.UMontreal.CA " 8852,15,"From: sfp@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Sheila Patterson) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Cornell University CIT Lines: 10 Hooray ! I always suspected that I was human too :-) It is the desire to be like Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and other christians. We are supposed to grow, mature, endeavour to be Christ-like but we are far far far from perfect. Build up the body of Christ, don't tear it down, and that includes yourself. Jesus loves me just the way I am today, tomorrow and always (thank God ! :-). -Sheila Patterson " 8853,8,"From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) Subject: New to Motorcycles... Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD Lines: 39 Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: 1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too ignorant to know I need to buy) 2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes a difference) 3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? 4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then get a learners permit. However, I'm wondering how one goes about learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence and b) not kill oneself. I don't know anyone with a bike who could teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either ""do you live near a field"" or ""do you have a friend with a pickup truck"", the answers to both of which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for the best? I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs. It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that doesn't seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned? Thanks for any replies in advance. -Greg Humphreys :wq ^^^ Meant to do that. (Damn autoindent) -- Greg Humphreys | ""This must be Thursday. I never National Institutes of Health| could get the hang of Thursdays."" gregh@alw.nih.gov | (301) 402-1817 | -Arthur Dent " 8854,4,"From: viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) Subject: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark Lines: 12 So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard, but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split. However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish and American typing, or what??? Thanks a lot in advance! -- Thomas Widmann -Lernu Esperanton- viralbus@daimi.aau.dk SOLIDVM PETIT IN LINGVIS " 8855,14,"From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) writes: ...text of options ""A"" and ""B"" deleted... >Option C - Single Core Launch Station. >This is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter >cylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on >the backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a >regular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket >motors, and launch the can. Some key features are: > - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout > - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels > - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against > micrometeroid & orbital debris) > - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end) > - 7 berthing ports > - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet > (twice the volume of skylab). > - 7 floors, center passageway between floors > - 10 kW of housekeeping power Only 10KW? > - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal > loops, dual environmental control & life support system) > - increased crew time for utilization > - 1 micro-g thru out the core module Ha! ""North America Modular SPACE STATION construction"" :-) Same apprach, same reasoning: ""construction occurs under assembly line conditions, no random weather problems interupting site-work on your home - better quality control"" -- sounds like first ""-"" point above :-) Somehow I have a strange attraction for this idea (living in a modular home maybe has altered my mind). The only thing that scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and a nosecone on it and ""just launching it."" I have this vision of something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the complete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of it as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction). -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Michael F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] " 8856,18,"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 11 Hmmm...intersting (and long) message, but TWICE? Well, I don't care for libertarianism, but that is a philisophical disagreement, not a tactical one. Reform of existing laws would be an awfully good idea. You wouldn't believe some of the outrageous things the guardians of our two party system do to shut out dissent. ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) When the words fold open, it means the death of doors; even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) " 8857,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes: >The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The >US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. > >How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps >(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one of them shorts. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 8858,4,"From: f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu Subject: Re: Educational Pricing Article-I.D.: jaguar.1993Apr15.134938.1 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 27 In article , hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) writes: >>you can find retail that is within the price of a keyboard of educational >>prices. I would be very wary of retail outlets selling as cheap as educational prices! I went for a retailer, actually mail order (CDA computers), because its price was better thant the campus computer store. I found out why later on when I tried to get a repair done at an Apple registered repair center - the CPU was a resale. The serial number had been removed and replaced with a non-standard number (probably from CDA computers). Consequently, the Apple repair man could not do ANY warrenty repairs. So I ended up with just a 90day warrenty from CDA over the Apple 12month warrenty. Boy, was I pi**ed! Moral of the story, CAVEAT EMPTOR. However, if you go with a reliable, trustworthy mail order firm (if they exist - maybe someone could enlighten us with their experiences), you will probably get a better price than your local educational outlet simply because mail order out of state does not REQUIRE sales tax yet. Though for how much longer remains to be seen. The addition in sales tax on a CPU purchase will probably wipe out an educational discount. Again CAVEAT EMPTOR, some mail order companies DO include sales tax on purchases even if they are out of state, so check! Richard. \\\\/ Richard J Appleyard f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu /o o\ Washington State University ( ) ) Voice (509) 335-7728 Fax (509) 335-9688 \_o_/ ""To err is human, but to really screw things up takes a computer!"" " 8859,9,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Giants' GM Quinn *is* a genius! Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.734129736 Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 17 In <18979@autodesk.COM> trs@Autodesk.COM (Tom Schroeder) writes: >nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >> During the same time span, the Braves developed John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, >> Steve Avery, David Justice, Ron Gant, and Jeff Blauser, among others. >> > Avery, I believe, came from the Phillies. Jeff Blauser?!? Avery was the #2 overall pick by the Braves, behind Mark Lewis (I think) in 1988. John Smoltz came over to the Braves from the Tigers, but was developed by the Braves. Jeff Blauser isn't a bad player. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 8860,12,"From: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant) Subject: Optoisolator interfacing questions Reply-To: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant) Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA Lines: 26 I am interfacing some simple circuits that run on 9V to my cpu board which runs at 5-6V. The optoisolator is a 4N35. On the led side, I put the signal I want through a 10k resistor to the base of a 2N2222. On the transistor side, I tie my cpu input line to the collector which has a pull-up resistor of 47k. It functions OK, but seems VERY slow. I can detect pulses that occur at about 2kHz, but not much faster. Isn't the rise/fall time of this device, something like 5uS? I should be able to detect my target of 40kHz, but I can't get 16kHz. This is done using wire-wrap and the wires going to the cpu and to the test pin are about 8 inches long, but I'm not doing anything high-speed. In the Art of Electronics, it mentions tying the base of the phototransistor to ground through a resistor to improve the speed. Is that what I need to do? How do I calculate the resistor value? -- Paul Malenfant pmalenfa @ kitkat.webo.dg.com (508-870-6460) " 8861,0,"From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) Subject: Re: Societally acceptable behavior Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: #In <1qvabj$g1j@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) #writes: # #>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike #Cobb) writes: # #Am I making a wrong assumption for the basis of morals? Where do they come #from? The question came from the idea that I heard that morals come from #whatever is societally mandated. It's only one aspect of morality. Societal morality is necessarily very crude and broad-brush stuff which attempts to deal with what is necessary to keep that society going - and often it's a little over-enthusiastic about doing so. Individual morality is a different thing, it often includes societal mores (or society is in trouble), but is stronger. For example, some people are vegetarian, though eating meat may be perfectly legal. # #>#Merely a question for the basis of morality #># #>#Moral/Ethical behavior = _Societally_ _acceptable_ _behavior_. #># #>#1)Who is society # #>Depends on the society. # #Doesn't help. Is the point irrelevant? No. Often the answer is ""we are"". But if society is those who make the rules, that's a different question. If society is who should make the rules, that's yet another. I don't claim to have the answers, either, but I don't think we do it very well in Ireland, and I like some things about the US system, at least in principle. # #>#2)How do ""they"" define what is acceptable? # #>Depends. #On.... Again, this comes from a certain question (see above). Well, ideally they don't, but if they must they should do it by consensus, IMO. # #>#3)How do we keep from a ""whatever is legal is what is ""moral"" ""position? # #>By adopting a default position that people's moral decisions #>are none of society's business, # #So how can we put people in jail? How can we condemn other societies? Because sometimes that's necessary. The hard trick is to recognise when it is, and equally importantly, when it isn't. # and only interfering when it's truly #>necessary. # #Why would it be necessary? What right do we have to interfere? IMO, it isn't often that interference (i.e. jail, and force of various kinds and degrees) is both necessary and effective. Where you derive the right to interfere is a difficult question - it's a sort of liar's paradox: ""force is necessary for freedom"". One possible justification is that people who wish to take away freedom shouldn't object if their own freedom is taken away - the paradox doesn't arise if we don't actively wish to take way anyone's freedom. # # The introduction of permissible interference causes the problem #>that it can be either too much or too little - but most people seem #>to agree that some level of interference is necessary. # #They see the need for a ""justice"" system. How can we even define that term? Only by consensus, I guess. # Thus you #>get a situation where ""The law often allows what honour forbids"", which I've #>come to believe is as it should be. # #I admit I don't understand that statement. What I mean is that, while thus-and-such may be legal, thus-and-such may also be seen as immoral. The law lets you do it, but you don't let yourself do it. Eating meat, for example. -- Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon " 8862,10,"Organization: University of Maine System From: The Always Fanatical: Patrick Ellis Subject: Keenan signs, Plus WALSH???????? <1993Apr16.235100.18268@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <93108.121926IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Lines: 25 Well I just read in the Boston Globe that while not confirming (or denying) anything, Walsh may end up with the Rangers organizations as an (assistant Coach?). Keenan has talked with Walsh in the past (he came up to see Kariya as he will be coaching him in the worlds, funny I guess he got to watch the Ferraro brothers as well.....) I'm not sure if walsh will go, but if Keenan is getting 700,000 and walsh even gets 100,000 that's a 30% pay raise for walsh (not to mention a nice career move....) Anyone from New York Hear anything about this???????? Pat Ellis P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1...... HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS..... HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>...... PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER....... NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE! " 8863,2,"From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? Article-I.D.: news.C51H9M.46p Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 Geoffrey S. Elbo writes: >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB >hard disk in 20 minutes. I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk. Is it just a strip-down version of the later? I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering if I need to install MS Backup? Richard " 8864,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: islamic genocide Organization: sgi Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qjipo$pen@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qinmd$sp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #|> |> #|> At any rate, even if your interpretation is correct this does |> #|> not imply that the killings are religously motivated, which was |> #|> the original poster's seeming claim. |> # |> #Tricky, tricky. I'm replying to your blanket claim that they |> #are *not* religiously motivated. |> |> They aren't. Irish catholics in the south do not kill Irish protestants |> in the south, yet have precisely the same history behind them. Those |> who think the killings are religously motivated ignore the rather |> obvious matter of British occupation, partition and misguided patriotism |> on both sides. False dichotomy. You claimed the killing were *not* religiously motivated, and I'm saying that's wrong. I'm not saying that each and every killing is religiously motivate, as I spelled out in detail. |> |> The problems fault along the religious divide because at the historical |> roots of this thing we have a catholic country partitioned and populated |> by a protestant one. The grotesque killing of soldiers and |> civilians is supposedly motivated by patriotism, civil rights issues, and |> revenge. It's only difficult to understand insofaras insanity is hard |> to understand - religion need not be invoked to explain it. Does anyone else see the contradiction in this paragraph? |> #But to claim that ""The killings in N.I are not religously |> #motivated."" is grotesque. All that means is that the Church |> #and believers are doing what they always do with history |> #they can't face: they rewrite it. |> |> You're attacking a different claim. My claim is that when an IRA |> terrorist plants a bomb in Warrington s/he does not have as a motive |> the greater glory of God. Sorry, Frank, but what I put in quotes is your own words from your posting <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>. Don't tell us now that it's a different claim. If you can no longer stand behind your original claim, just say so. jon. " 8865,10,"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations) Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 42 In article , lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) wrote: > According to this morning's Post-Gazette: > > The Pens will be carried by KDKA-Radio(1020 am), unless the Pirates > are playing. When the Pirates play, the games will be carried by > WDVE(102.5 fm). WDVE will carry 12 games, starting with tonight's > game. > > In fact, after this season, KDKA will no longer be the flagship > station for the Pens. The Penguins and KBL have struck a new > deal regarding the TV and radio rights to the games. It seems > more than likely that WDVE will be the flagship radio station next > season. KBL will carry 62 games on tv, with 17 of the games to be > simulcast on KDKA-TV. The remaining 22 games, as well as some of the > early round playoff games, will be available by ""subscription tv"" only. > To receive the games, you'll have to pay a one time hook up fee, and > then a monthly fee of $11-12 dollars. > > Also, under the new deal, there will no longer be radio/tv > simulcasts. There will be a TV broadcast team, and a radio > broadcast team. > > No word on who the announcers will be. Mike Lange and Paul Steigerwald > are both under contract with KDKA, but their contracts expire at the > end of this season. KBL President Bill Craig said he'd like to hire > Lange and Steigerwald. > > Lori > Contact for the Penguins > lli+@cs.cmu.edu NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's the mindscheme(?) behind this one -- Ted Simmons? As the saying goes, ""If it ain't broke, don't fix it."" I'm 230 miles from home (during the school year) and will never be able to pick up DVE. At least now I can sort of make out what Mike and Steigy say through all the static on KDKA. This just may be enough reason for me to transfer to Duquesne and live at home. Who's going to announce on DVE anyway? Paulson and Krenn? (Just kidding.) George " 8866,1,"From: ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) Subject: Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: danebury.hursley.ibm.com Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Lines: 4 My CorelDRAW 3.0.whatever write SCODL files directly. Look under File|Export on the main menu. Rick " 8867,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. > >This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the >fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you >want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night >in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes >out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke >and then fire? I've already corrected my mistake earlier in this thread. I saw a brief news report which led to the above inaccuracy. I have since seen detailed summaries that show the tanks returned in the late morning. So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children? Why didn't they release the children weeks ago? > >Do tell. > > -joe -- " 8868,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: >In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: >>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful >>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle >>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this >>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him. > > Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and >your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem. When I do it Really!? Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike. Perhaps you meant _pull_? Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left. It should. REally. >on MY bike, I turn right. No wonder you need that FAQ. If I had it >I'd send it. > I'm sure others will take up the slack... > > > -- Andy Infante | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis | '71 BMW R60/5 | upon the observance of the law than they do upon it's | DoD #2426 | enforcement. -Calvin Coolidge | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 8869,6,"From: pnelson@minnow.rutgers.edu (warmonger) Subject: South Jersey Condo Keywords: forsale condo jersey Article-I.D.: minnow.Apr.6.14.09.43.1993.15566 Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 37 I have recently graduated and am looking to move into a bigger house, leaving me with a condo to sell... It was originally listed at 59,000, but is now listed at $54,900. The following is a list of features. Master Bedroom 14x11 Bedroom 11x10 Living Room 16x13 Dining Room 10x9 Kitchen 9x11 w/ extra cabinets 1 Full / Modern Bathroom Full wtw carpeting /new/ excluding bath, Oil hot water heating /converting to gas this summer/, central air, condo fee $183/mo INCLUDING heat; hot water; landscaping; pool; tennis courts. In addition: washer, dryer /both in condo/, refrigerator, dishwasher, 2 ceiling fans, all window treatments /I don't understand why I can't call them curtains.../, and a mantle! Large storage room in private basement, plenty of undesignated parking. If you'd like to free me for the bliss of regular homeownership, please call Kathleen Sullivan at the Rohrer&Sayers Real Estate Agency: 609-546-0004. She'll arrange for a showing off. Now for that disclaimer caca: Subject to errors, changes, ommissions, withdrawls, and sales without notice. This posting is not to benefit or at the request of any commercial agency. I simply want out. Flames can be sent to /dev/null Thanks, pnelson@clam.rutgers.edu Paul G. Nelson Systems Hardware Integration Technician " 8870,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 85 /(emery) /The one single historic event that has had the biggest impact on the /world over the centuries is the resurrection of Jesus. This is hardly possible, as the majority of people in the world were born, lived their life, and died, without ever knowing anything about Christ. The majority of the rest of the world have decided that he is not who Emery thinks he is. /(emery) /Why were the writers of the New Testament documents so convinced that /Jesus really did rise from the dead? /We have four gospel accounts. I am leaving out all ""proofs"" of Emery's which rely on quoting the bible as proof. Circular reasoning, etc. There have been occasions already stated many times for later generations of Xtians to change, edit, or otherwise alter the bible to fit their political gospel. And if we accept the bible as true just because the bible says it is true, then (to be fair) we have to do the same to the Bhagavad-Gita and the Koran, both of which contradict the bible. Enough said. /(emery) /Yet we have no reason to believe these disciples to be immoral and dishonest. /We have no historic information that would lead us to the conclusion that /these people were not God-fearing people who sincerely and whole-heartedly /believed that the resurrection of their Lord Jesus was a real event. /And for what gain would they lie? To make a stand at that time meant /persecution, imprisonment, and perhaps even death. Again, this is only the biblical account and there is no independent proof of any of this happening. It just isn't there. Besides, simply being sincere or willing to die for your faith does not make your faith correct. There are Muslims dying in Bosnia right now; does the fact that they are willing to die for Islam mean that Islam is the correct religion? (emery) /History bears out the persecution of Christians. Roman historian, Cornelius /Tacitus, Govenor of Asia, in A.D. 112, writing of Nero's reign, alluded to /the torture of Christians in Rome: All you have proven is that these people were tortured for their faith. That does not prove that their faith is true or correct; it just means that they were sincere in their beliefs. Being willing to die for what you believe doesn't make your belief the truth. It's not that easy. And minority religions have always suffered torture; Muslims suffer torture and harassment in India and Bosnia today. All religions are harassed in China today. You haven't proven anything so far. /(emery) /With all the suffering and persecution that it meant to be a believer, it /would be quite probable that at least one of those in the supposed conspiracy /would come forward and confess that the whole thing was a big hoax. Not if they didn't believe that it was a hoax. /(emery) /Yet not one did. It seems rather reasonable that the disciples did not make /up the resurrection but sincerely believed that Jesus had actually risen /from the dead; especially in light of the sufferings that came upon those /who believed. The followers of Muhammad firmly believed in the miracles that the Koran says Muhammad performed. They were attacked and slaughtered for their beliefs. They didn't denounce Muhammad or Islam. If you are correct, then that means Islam is the true faith. You see how stupid your proofs are? " 8871,6,"From: dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (dietrijj) Subject: WHAT A DEAL!! Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 36 BOY OH BOY, HAVE I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU !!!!!!!!! How does this sound....... I have decided to sell all of this as a package deal, (unless someone really wants something seperate, then I'm open to that as well)..... Kramer Striker 100st electric guitar Dark metallic blue... Floyd Rose Tremlo... Tuning lockers at the nut... Great action, all-around great guitar!! -plus- Korg pme40x professional modular effects pedal board Has flanger, chorus, and graphic equilizer... Has a unique bonus...you can buy seperate pedal ""boxes"" that sort of slide into any of the 4 existing slots.. Mono input, STEREO output... Perfect for the electric or acoustic guitars!!! -plus- DOD American Metal distortion pedal Durable, great sounding pedal... Goes great with the Korg pedal board!! There you have it! Everything you need for a great sound!!! Yours as a package deal for only........$300 o.b.o.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Respond by email to dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu or by phone at (317) 495-4426 and ask for Jason. Thanks in advance!!! -Jason Dietrich " 8872,8,From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist Organization: University of East Anglia Lines: 9 The Angel Levine writes: >It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. Did you have anyone in particular in mind there Jody? :-) 8873,7,From: jackd@sad.hp.com (Jack Dauler) Subject: Re: Tires for Ford Ranger Pickup Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 3 I have had good luck with my Ranger and Yokohama 371 S+M tires. The tires have been wearing well and even the few times i have hauled heavy loads they have done well. 8874,13,"From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 121 dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. >>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and >>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics >>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. >Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again. >>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book ""Sinus Survival"", always gives, >Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too! >>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his >>new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times >>in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over >>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief >>of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his >>program. >Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world. >Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless. >>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic >>symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly >>written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which >>I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage >>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can >>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also >>*greatly* improved in other areas as well. >I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who >responds to ""miracle cures."" >>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to >>molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that >>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a >>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you >>would have perceptible symptoms. >Yeah, ""it makes sense to me"", so of course it should be taken seriously. >Snort. >>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various >>sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that >>such toxins can cause problems in some people. >Yeah, ""it sounds reasonable to me"". >>Of course, the $60,000 >>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was >>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the >>stress of infections and allergies, etc.), >Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass. >More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome. >>can develop excessive yeast >>colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since >>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to >>take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively >>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's >>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons. >You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused >in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic. >The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks. >>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae >>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find >>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time. >The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap >and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any >systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without >any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use >IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve >the ""yeast"" problem once and for all. >>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep >>medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly >>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough >>actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my >>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee >>their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as >>far as I am concerned. >Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating >your symptoms. >Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate >to think my insurance premiums are going towards this. >Steve Dyer Dyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's often practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of non-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal evidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person, but it's still no more than a guess. It's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those people who don't respond. There are diseases that haven't been described yet and the root cause of many diseases now described aren't known. (Read a book on gastroenterology sometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After scientific methods have run out then it's the patient's freedom of choice to try any experimental method they choose. And it's well recognized by many doctors that medicine doesn't have all the answers. This person said that they had relief by taking the medicine. Maybe it's a miracle cure, maybe it's valid. How do you know? You might argue with the reasoning, the conclusions. But your disparaging attack is unwarranted. Why don't you present an convincing argument for you r beliefs, instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack. -Jackie- " 8875,10,"From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: TV Schedule for Next Week Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 20 United States TV Schedule: April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone) April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones) April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone) April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN If somebody would send me the CBC/TSN schedule I'll post that as well. ******************************************************************************* * Mike Burger * My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario, * * mmb@lamar.colostate.edu * the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida * * A Beginning Computing TA Stud * four months a year. * * over 500 students served * --Royal Canadian Air Farce * ******************************************************************************* * University of Michigan - 1990 -- Colorado State University - 199? * ******************************************************************************* " 8876,16,"From: slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 24 The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? BTW, anybody planning on shaving Hillary's head to look for *666*? 8^) Later Dave, Days ^^^^^^^^ Goverment logic or just the Clintons? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | David H. Slack | |_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ | Boise Surface Mount Center | |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | email: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com | | _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ | telnet: 323 4019 | |_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _ _/_/ _/ _/ | phone: (208) 323 4019 | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Hewlett-Packard, 11213 Chinden Blvd., Boise Idaho 83714-1023, M/S #625 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 8877,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: >This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether >>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden >>by the US Constitution. >Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by ""cruel"", which is why >a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer >to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the >word ""cruel"". They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient? >>Oh, but we were discussing the death penalty (and that discussion >>resulted from the one about murder which resulted from an intial >>discussion about objective morality--so this is already three times >>removed from the morality discussion). >Actually, we were discussing the mening of the word ""cruel"" and >the US Constitution says nothing about that. But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did). keith " 8878,15,"From: rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory Lines: 39 In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > > In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > > > > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do > >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a > >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior > >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the > >last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods > >anyway? > > I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it. > It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows > when the second coming will take place. > > -- > :- Michael A. Covington I do recall Watt making a comment to this effect, though it was quite a few years back and I can't cite the specifics. I also recall that Cecil Andrus, who was Secretary of the Interior during the Carter Administration, responded to Watt's comments by pointing out the stewardship role that God gave to man, as recorded in Genesis. Which makes me wonder: who are the true conservatives? It seems to me that a *conservative* should want to *conserve* things of value for long-term societal benefit. This form of *conservation* should logically extend to the physical environment in which people live, as well as the moral environment in which they relate to one another and to God. IMHO, Watt's stewardship status is not enhanced by the fact that he served on the board of directors for Jim Bakker's organization, during a time in which Bakker committed criminal acts which eventually landed Bakker in federal prison. Bob rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu Just another Baptist... " 8879,19,"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 46 m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: >}(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the >} conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A >Excellent. Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other >than a direct assertion by his part. Replace ""Stephen"" with ""David Joslin,"" since you directed the same accusation of hypocrisy at me. In e-mail to me you wrote: In t.r.m. Robert Weiss writes [a promise from Psalm 9:10] Gee, since you wouldn't be at all hypocritical, you must be really busy arguing against these out-of-context extracted translations! As you may recall, you mailed me six mail messages quoting articles by Robert Weiss, all sent within a few minutes of each other. You added: Naturally, I await your arguments against this out-of-context translation. But I shall not await holding my breath... and Wonder when you get to sleep, disputing all these out-of-context extracted translations! and other similar comments. Perhaps you could explain why you ever thought that I might have a reason to read all of these articles you pulled off of t.r.m, much less write responses to them? >Have you, by chance, ever even heard of inductive logic? You are not >demonstrating any familiarly with it (i.e. you are being insufficiently >logical). I am familiar with inductive logic. Go ahead and give me the details of the ""logic"" that led you to conclude, incorrectly, that I would condone Robert Weiss taking verses out of context. Your conclusion was wrong, of course, since I agree that both you and Robert Weiss were guity of taking verses out of context. Nothing hypocritical about that, is there? Since you reached a false conclusion, you made some mistake in your ""logic."" The only question is where. Did you think that it would be hypocritical for me not to post a reply to Robert Weiss' articles? Did you make the common creationist error of confusing a lack of evidence for X with evidence for the lack of X? Is your grasp of inductive logic not quite as firm as you think? See if you can figure out what your mistake was, and learn from it. dj " 8880,4,"From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Lines: 29 Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >> ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have >> concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating >> from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption >> of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. >> Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an >> example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special ""Mac-compatible"" >> firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable ""blind writes"" >This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the >Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the >chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the >clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt >synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager. >Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra. >On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the >Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind >mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the >handshake is entirely handled by the chip. The docs say that it's a SCSI Manager bug, if this changes things at all... -- Jim Jagielski | ""And he's gonna stiff me. So I say, jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something, NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"" Greenbelt, MD 20771 | " 8881,19,"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article , dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: > ""David R. Sacco"" writes: > > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must > > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for > > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants > > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and > > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It > > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing > > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. > > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect > > to join. There are just so many. > > > > Dean Kaflowitz > > > > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus > > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a > > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So > > convenient that it is burdensome at times. > > Some Christians take a 10% discount off the Ten Commandments. Sunday > cannot be substituted for the Sabbath. Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism or some other place? Dean Kaflowitz " 8882,5,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: Re: Problem with libXmu on SUNOS5.1 and gcc Reply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com In article <1qmt3i$66io@ep130.wg2.waii.com>, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes: |> I am using X11R5patch23 with the R5-SUNOS5 patch posted on export. |> I did optionally apply the patch.olit. |> |> libXmu compiles fine .. when I try to use it with clients (i.e. bmtoa and |> twm), I get errors ... I can not figure out what is wrong: |> |> gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o twm gram.o lex.o deftwmrc.o add_window.o gc.o list.o twm.o parse.o menus.o events.o resize.o util.o version.o iconmgr.o cursor.o icons.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L.|> ./.././lib/Xt -L../.././extensions/lib -L../.././lib/X -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl |> ld: warning: file ../.././extensions/lib/libXext.so: attempted multiple inclusion of file libXext.so |> Undefined first referenced |> symbol in file |> XtWindowOfObject ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.so |> ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to twm |> *** Error code 1 The problem was that SunPost411Ld was not defined. Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 " 8883,7,"From: ""Daniel U. Holbrook"" Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 50 <1ppqkm$93n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1ppqkm$93n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> >> >>The reason I ask is because I went to a classic car meet here in the UK, >>and saw a very nice old De Soto, 1920's vintage I'd guess, with wooden >>artillery type wheels, etc, but it was right-hand drive. I can't believe >>that DeSoto produced RHD cars just for the UK.... Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on the ""wrong"" side of the road, so the export market might have been larger then than just the UK. >i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down >cattle trails and in wagon ruts. I am fairly sure that placement of the >steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time..... By the 1920s, there was a very active ""good roads"" movement, which had its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so, and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916 that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense. Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside. This was the era, after all, of the first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco ""America on the Road"" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called ""The Devil Wagon in God's Country"" author I forget. Also, any of John Flink's or John Bell Rae's auto histories. As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel on the left. In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel. This was standardized fairly early on, though I don't know why. Dan dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Applied History ""World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we can comprehend and prove it or not."" Oswald Spengler " 8884,12,"From: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.cis.ohio-state.edu > Hi there, > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. Try Parts Express in Dayton, Ohio also. They have a complete line of professional arcade buttons, joysticks etc... The have a 1-800 number so call 1-800-555-1212 and ask them what the 1-800 number for Part Express in Dayton, Ohio is. I love the free 1-800 directory assistance... - Dan -- Daniel Joseph Rubin rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS! " 8885,5,"From: carlj@mugwump (Carl Johnson) Subject: xterm and default text cursor color Reply-To: carlj@cyclone.bt.co.uk Organization: British Telecom Research Labs Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: mugwump.muppet.bt.co.uk What I want to be able to do is to set the cursor color to the same as the forground color that is set for that xterm. From the man page..... -cr color This option specifies the color to use for text cur- sor. The default is to use the same foreground <--- color that is used for text. <--- However this doesnt seem to be the case, it appears to default to black or to whatever XTerm*cursorColor is set to. Feel free to point me at the relevant FM or whatever, Cheers, C " 8886,10,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 26 price list Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 264 Here is the price list for the week April 6 to April 12. - Andrew Buy Sell Pts Team Player 157.5 141.8 150 PIT Mario_Lemieux 152.1 136.9 143 BUF Pat_LaFontaine 139.3 125.4 131 BOS Adam_Oates 133.8 120.4 129 DET Steve_Yzerman 132.9 119.6 125 WPG Teemu_Selanne 132.9 119.6 125 TOR Doug_Gilmour 130.9 117.8 120 NYI Pierre_Turgeon 129.7 116.7 122 BUF Alexander_Mogilny 126.0 113.4 117 PHI Mark_Recchi 120.2 108.2 113 LA Luc_Robitaille 115.9 104.3 109 QUE Mats_Sundin 111.3 100.2 106 PIT Kevin_Stevens 108.5 97.7 102 STL Craig_Janney 108.5 97.7 102 VAN Pavel_Bure 106.3 95.7 100 CHI Jeremy_Roenick 105.3 94.8 99 QUE Joe_Sakic 104.0 93.6 99 PIT Rick_Tocchet 103.1 92.8 97 STL Brett_Hull 102.1 91.9 96 BOS Joe_Juneau 102.1 91.9 96 TOR Dave_Andreychuk 101.9 91.7 97 PIT Ron_Francis 99.8 89.8 95 MTL Vincent_Damphousse 98.9 89.0 93 MIN Mike_Modano 98.9 89.0 93 WPG Phil_Housley 98.9 89.0 93 CGY Theoren_Fleury 97.8 88.0 92 BUF Dale_Hawerchuk 97.7 87.9 93 MTL Kirk_Muller 96.0 86.4 88 NYR Mark_Messier 94.6 85.1 89 STL Brendan_Shanahan 94.4 85.0 91 DET Dino_Ciccarelli 91.4 82.3 86 LA Jari_Kurri 91.4 82.3 87 PIT Jaromir_Jagr 90.3 81.3 86 MTL Brian_Bellows 88.3 79.5 82 WSH Peter_Bondra 87.3 78.6 80 HFD Geoff_Sanderson 87.2 78.5 82 CGY Robert_Reichel 87.2 78.5 82 QUE Steve_Duchesne 87.1 78.4 84 DET Paul_Coffey 86.1 77.5 83 DET Sergei_Fedorov 85.1 76.6 79 TB Brian_Bradley 85.1 76.6 79 PHI Rod_Brind'Amour 85.1 76.6 81 PIT Larry_Murphy 84.0 75.6 77 HFD Andrew_Cassels 84.0 75.6 77 HFD Pat_Verbeek 84.0 75.6 79 LA Tony_Granato 84.0 75.6 78 WSH Mike_Ridley 84.0 75.6 77 NYI Steve_Thomas 83.0 74.7 79 MTL Stephan_Lebeau 81.8 73.6 76 WSH Dale_Hunter 80.8 72.7 76 QUE Mike_Ricci 80.8 72.7 76 BOS Ray_Bourque 78.6 70.7 73 WSH Kevin_Hatcher 77.7 69.9 74 SJ Kelly_Kisio 77.6 69.8 73 VAN Cliff_Ronning 77.6 69.8 73 STL Jeff_Brown 77.6 69.8 73 TOR Nikolai_Borschevsky 76.6 68.9 72 NJ Claude_Lemieux 76.6 68.9 72 MIN Dave_Gagner 76.6 68.9 72 MIN Russ_Courtnall 76.4 68.8 70 NYR Tony_Amonte 75.5 68.0 71 VAN Murray_Craven 75.5 68.0 71 LA Jimmy_Carson 75.5 68.0 71 CGY Gary_Suter 75.5 68.0 71 MIN Ulf_Dahlen 74.4 67.0 70 VAN Geoff_Courtnall 74.4 67.0 70 BOS Dmitri_Kvartalnov 74.3 66.9 69 WSH Michal_Pivonka 74.2 66.8 68 NYI Derek_King 74.2 66.8 68 NYI Benoit_Hogue 73.4 66.1 69 QUE Owen_Nolan 73.4 66.1 69 CHI Steve_Larmer 73.4 66.1 69 NJ Alexander_Semak 73.1 65.8 67 NYR Mike_Gartner 72.3 65.1 68 STL Nelson_Emerson 72.3 65.1 68 CHI Chris_Chelios 72.2 65.0 67 PHI Eric_Lindros 71.1 64.0 66 WSH Al_Iafrate 70.2 63.2 66 VAN Trevor_Linden 70.2 63.2 66 LA Mike_Donnelly 70.0 63.0 65 WSH Dmitri_Khristich 69.3 62.4 66 PIT Joe_Mullen 69.1 62.2 65 CGY Joe_Nieuwendyk 69.1 62.2 65 NJ Stephane_Richer 68.1 61.3 64 WPG Alexei_Zhamnov 68.1 61.3 64 WPG Thomas_Steen 68.1 61.3 64 QUE Andrei_Kovalenko 68.1 61.3 64 VAN Petr_Nedved 66.5 59.9 61 NYR Adam_Graves 66.5 59.9 61 HFD Zarley_Zalapski 66.4 59.8 64 DET Ray_Sheppard 64.9 58.4 61 TOR Glenn_Anderson 64.1 57.7 61 SJ Johan_Garpenlov 63.8 57.4 60 OTT Norm_Maciver 63.0 56.7 60 MTL Mike_Keane 63.0 56.7 60 PIT Shawn_McEachern 62.7 56.4 59 LA Rob_Blake 62.7 56.4 59 LA Wayne_Gretzky 62.5 56.3 58 PHI Garry_Galley 62.5 56.3 58 PHI Brent_Fedyk 61.1 55.0 56 NYI Pat_Flatley 60.6 54.5 57 CGY Sergei_Makarov 60.6 54.5 57 NJ Bernie_Nicholls 60.1 54.1 58 DET Steve_Chiasson 59.5 53.6 56 CHI Steve_Smith 59.5 53.6 56 QUE Scott_Young 59.1 53.2 57 DET Paul_Ysebaert 58.9 53.0 54 NYR Sergei_Nemchinov 58.5 52.7 55 NJ Valeri_Zelepukin 58.2 52.4 54 WSH Pat_Elynuik 58.2 52.4 54 TB John_Tucker 58.2 52.4 54 PHI Kevin_Dineen 57.4 51.7 54 VAN Greg_Adams 56.4 50.8 53 WPG Darrin_Shannon 55.6 50.0 51 NYR Darren_Turcotte 55.3 49.8 52 NJ Scott_Stevens 55.0 48.8 51 CHI Christian_Ruuttu 55.0 48.8 51 VAN Dixon_Ward 55.0 48.8 51 WPG Fredrik_Olausson 55.0 48.2 49 NYR Ed_Olczyk 55.0 47.9 50 WPG Keith_Tkachuk 55.0 47.2 48 NYI Jeff_Norton 55.0 46.9 49 TOR John_Cullen 55.0 46.9 49 VAN Anatoli_Semenov 55.0 46.9 49 CGY Al_MacInnis 55.0 46.9 49 BOS Stephen_Leach 55.0 45.9 48 CHI Brent_Sutter 55.0 45.4 48 MTL Denis_Savard 55.0 45.2 46 HFD Terry_Yake 55.0 45.0 47 NJ John_MacLean 55.0 44.6 46 WSH Sylvain_Cote 55.0 44.0 46 EDM Petr_Klima 55.0 44.0 46 EDM Shayne_Corson 55.0 44.0 46 LA Tomas_Sandstrom 55.0 44.0 46 EDM Craig_Simpson 55.0 43.5 46 MTL Gilbert_Dionne 55.0 43.2 44 NYI Vladimir_Malakhov 55.0 43.0 45 BOS Dave_Poulin 55.0 43.0 45 STL Kevin_Miller 55.0 43.0 45 LA Alexei_Zhitnik 55.0 43.0 45 QUE Martin_Rucinsky 55.0 43.0 45 WPG Evgeny_Davydov 55.0 42.7 44 WSH Kelly_Miller 55.0 42.1 44 EDM Doug_Weight 55.0 42.1 44 EDM Dave_Manson 55.0 41.2 42 HFD Patrick_Poulin 55.0 41.1 43 CHI Michel_Goulet 55.0 40.7 42 PHI Pelle_Eklund 55.0 40.2 42 MIN Mark_Tinordi 55.0 39.7 42 MTL Mathieu_Schneider 55.0 39.2 41 CGY Paul_Ranheim 55.0 39.2 41 EDM Todd_Elik 55.0 39.2 41 BOS Vladimir_Ruzicka 55.0 39.2 41 OTT Sylvain_Turgeon 55.0 37.4 39 TOR Dave_Ellett 55.0 37.4 40 DET Niklas_Lidstrom 55.0 37.4 40 DET Bob_Probert 55.0 36.4 38 NJ Peter_Stastny 55.0 36.4 37 NYR Esa_Tikkanen 55.0 36.4 38 OTT Brad_Shaw 55.0 36.4 38 TOR Wendel_Clark 55.0 36.4 38 BUF Yuri_Khmylev 55.0 35.4 37 VAN Sergio_Momesso 55.0 35.4 37 OTT Bob_Kudelski 55.0 35.4 36 NYR Brian_Leetch 55.0 35.4 37 NJ Bobby_Holik 55.0 34.5 36 TOR Rob_Pearson 55.0 34.5 36 MIN Mike_McPhee 55.0 34.4 35 NYR Alexei_Kovalev 55.0 33.9 35 TB Adam_Creighton 55.0 33.5 35 EDM Zdeno_Ciger 55.0 32.6 34 LA Corey_Millen 55.0 32.6 34 CHI Dirk_Graham 55.0 31.6 33 TOR Peter_Zezel 55.0 30.6 32 BOS Ted_Donato 55.0 30.6 32 QUE Valery_Kamensky 55.0 30.2 32 MTL Gary_Leeman 55.0 29.9 32 DET Keith_Primeau 55.0 29.7 31 BUF Wayne_Presley 55.0 29.7 31 MIN Neal_Broten 55.0 29.7 31 BOS Steve_Heinze 55.0 29.1 30 PHI Josef_Beranek 55.0 28.7 30 CHI Stephane_Matteau 55.0 28.7 30 BUF Richard_Smehlik 55.0 28.7 30 TOR Dmitri_Mironov 55.0 28.4 29 NYI Brian_Mullen 55.0 27.2 28 PHI Dmitri_Yushkevich 55.0 26.8 28 CHI Brian_Noonan 55.0 26.8 28 EDM Scott_Mellanby 55.0 26.5 28 SJ Pat_Falloon 55.0 25.8 27 STL Igor_Korolev 55.0 25.6 26 NYR James_Patrick 55.0 24.8 26 BUF Petr_Svoboda 55.0 23.9 25 OTT Mark_Lamb 55.0 23.2 24 TB Mikael_Andersson 55.0 22.6 23 NYI Scott_LaChance 55.0 22.1 23 EDM Kevin_Todd 55.0 21.3 22 WSH Bob_Carpenter 55.0 21.1 22 TOR Bill_Berg 55.0 21.1 22 WPG Sergei_Bautin 55.0 20.8 22 MTL Benoit_Brunet 55.0 20.6 21 NYI David_Volek 55.0 20.6 21 HFD Mikael_Nylander 55.0 20.1 21 MIN Brent_Gilchrist 55.0 19.6 20 NYR Phil_Bourque 55.0 19.6 20 NYI Ray_Ferraro 55.0 18.6 19 HFD Yvon_Corriveau 55.0 18.2 19 EDM Martin_Gelinas 55.0 17.7 19 DET Jim_Hiller 55.0 17.6 18 NYI Darius_Kasparaitis 55.0 17.5 18 PHI Andrei_Lomakin 55.0 17.2 18 BUF Donald_Audette 55.0 15.5 16 TB Roman_Hamrlik 55.0 15.1 16 SJ Mark_Pederson 55.0 14.2 15 PIT Martin_Straka 55.0 12.4 13 NJ Janne_Ojanen 55.0 12.4 13 OTT Tomas_Jelinek 55.0 11.5 12 CHI Joe_Murphy 55.0 10.8 11 NYR Peter_Andersson 55.0 10.6 11 TB Steve_Kasper 55.0 10.5 11 BOS Cam_Neely 55.0 9.5 10 MIN Bobby_Smith 55.0 9.5 10 SJ Ray_Whitney 55.0 8.8 9 HFD Robert_Petrovicky 55.0 8.6 9 BUF Viktor_Gordijuk 55.0 7.7 8 QUE Mikhail_Tatarinov 55.0 7.7 8 TOR Joe_Sacco 55.0 7.6 8 SJ Peter_Ahola 55.0 6.7 7 CHI Rob_Brown 55.0 6.7 7 BOS Glen_Murray 55.0 5.9 6 HFD Tim_Kerr 55.0 4.9 5 WSH Reggie_Savage 55.0 4.8 5 STL Vitali_Prokhorov 55.0 4.8 5 LA Robert_Lang 55.0 4.8 5 EDM Shaun_Van_Allen 55.0 3.9 4 BOS Jozef_Stumpel 55.0 3.9 4 MIN Dan_Quinn 55.0 3.8 4 PIT Bryan_Fogarty 55.0 3.7 4 DET Viacheslav_Kozlov 55.0 2.9 3 TB Stan_Drulia 55.0 2.9 3 MIN Brian_Propp 55.0 2.9 3 MTL Olav_Petrov 55.0 2.0 2 WSH Jason_Woolley 55.0 1.9 2 NJ Claude_Vilgrain 55.0 0.0 0 VAN Igor_Larionov 55.0 0.0 0 TB Brent_Gretzky 55.0 0.0 0 OTT Alexei_Yashin 55.0 0.0 0 QUE Peter_Forsberg 55.0 0.0 0 EDM Dean_McAmmond 55.0 0.0 0 WSH Brian_Sakic 55.0 0.0 0 WSH Randy_Burridge 55.0 0.0 0 MTL Patrick_Kjellberg 55.0 0.0 0 CGY Cory_Stillman 55.0 0.0 0 CHI Sergei_Krivokrasov 55.0 0.0 0 BUF Jason_Dawe -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... " 8887,8,"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 23 In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: > >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things. >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable >> person. Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows? If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he got his drinking money from? I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out of hand or of shoddy journalism. If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they should put the money in trust. They don't, so I would assume it's perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that way myself. -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) " 8888,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 18 In wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: >I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points >with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put >win as first in a tie breaker...... Well I don't see any smileys here. I am trying to figure out if the poster is a dog or a wordprocessor. Couldn't be neither. Both are smarter than this. ""I might not be great in Math"" -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 8889,17,"From: aa624@Freenet.carleton.ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) Subject: THE FUTILITY AND IMPOTENCE OF GREEK FOREIGN POLICY Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 34 there you go the greeks have been trying for over a year, even though mr. mitsotakis was threatening the EC that if Macedonia was recognized that the honourable papandreou would be back... well i guess the europeans pulled the plug eh ..? theis is just one other example about the corruptness and the ""perversity"" of greek foreign policy objectives... pity to those who have to live under the greek flag with ""these"" political decision-makers... MORE RECOGNITION FOR MACEDONIA. Belgium, Germany, and Italy joined Denmark on 15 April in recognizing the Republic of Macedonia, AFP reports. Each is an EC member state. Greece, which has blocked EC recognition of Macedonia, noted that such recognition ""does not facilitate"" negotiations between Athens and Skopje now underway in New York. Duncan Perry, RFE/RL, Inc. the day will come when reuters will write ""despite lengthy negotiations and numerous attempts to reunite the island THE TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS "" was recognized by... your humble servant kubilay " 8890,3,"From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) Subject: pc-junior usable? Nntp-Posting-Host: tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina Lines: 13 My fiance has a pc-junior and wants to upgrade to a full 386. Does anyone know if we could use the monitor it came with on a new machine? I heard it's MCGA or EGA, but not sure which. Also, does it use cards, so we can use the drive controller, floppy, etc? Thanks for the help! -Bryan -- Bryan Welch Amateur Radio: N0SFG Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb Disclaimer: It's all opinion. Everything. So there. " 8891,8,"From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) Subject: Re: where to put your helmet Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: laura.harvard.edu In-reply-to: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org's message of 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT >>>>> On 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) said: CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. This is very bad advice. Helmets have two major impact absorbing layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer. Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or delaminates from age. Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression. I have a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail. Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender. Even when the comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously degrade the effectiveness of a helmet. If you are in the habit of ""parking your lid"" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the comfort liner at the condition of the foam. If it is significantly damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet. -- Jerry Lotto MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18 Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ. ""It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."" " 8892,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 133 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: > >It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the innocent civilians into harm's way. Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects innocent lives? >If Israel insists that >the so called ""Security Zone"" is necessary for the protection of >Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation >with the blood of its soldiers. Your damn right Israel insists on some sort of ""demilitarized"" or ""buffer"" zone. Its had to put up with too many years of attacks from the territory of Arab states and watched as the states did nothing. It is not exactly surprizing that Israel decided that the only way to stop such actions is to do it themselves. >If Israel is interested in peace, than it should withdraw from OUR land. What? So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". > >I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only >real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace >settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and >peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure >no one on either side of the border is shelled. Good lord, Brad. What in the world goves you the idea that UN troops stop anything? They are ONLY stationed in a country because that country allows them in. It can ask them to leave *at any time*; as Nasser did in '56 and '67. Somehow, with that ""limitation"" on the troops ""powers"" I don't think that Israel is going to be any more comfortable. Without a *genuine* commitment to peace from the Arab states, and concrete (not intellectual or political exercises in jargon) ""guarantees"" by other parties, the UN is worthless to Israel (but, perhaps useful as a ""ruse""?). >This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to >realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting >its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more >Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel >would have resulted in. Perhaps you are aware that, to most communities of people, there is the feeling that it is better that ""many of us die fighting against those who attack us than for few to die while we silently accept our fate."" If,however, you call on Israel to see the sense of suffering fewer casualties, I suggest you apply the same to Palestinian, Arab and Islamic groups. >If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw >unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion >of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, >advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's >public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations >since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in >peace and has already offered some important concessions. >Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah >be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not >accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a >shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone >and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. From Israel's perspective, ""concessions"" gets it NOTHING...except the realization that it has given ""something"" up and now *can only hope* that the other side decides to do likewise. Words *can be taken back* by merely doing so; to ""take back"" tangible items (land, control of land) requires the sort of action you say Israel should stay away from. Israel put up with attacks from Arab state territories for decades before essentially putting a stop to it through its invasion of Lebanon. The entire basis of that reality was exactly as you state above: 1) Israel would express outrage at these attacks and protest to the Arab state involved, 2) that state promptly ignored the entire matter, secure in the knowledge that IT could not be held responsible for the acts committed by ""private groups"", 3) Israel would prepare for the next round of attacks. What would Israel want to return to those days (and don't be so idiotic as to suggest ""trust"" for the motivations of present-day Arab states)? >There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese >goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such >circumstances, > Ah, ok...what is ""different"" about the present situation that tells us that the Arab states will *not* pursue their past antagonistic policies towards Israel? Now, don't talk about vague ""political factors"" but about those ""tangible"" (just like that which Israel gave up) factors that ""guarantee"" the responsibility of those states. Your assessment of ""difference"" here is based on a whole lot of assumptions, and most states don't feel confortable basing their existence on that sort of thing. >and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is >capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did >in all other parts of Lebanon. > >Basil It has not. Without the support, and active involvement, of Syria, Lebanon would not have been able to accomplish all that has occurred. Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel. > Tim Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and selectively naive. " 8893,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 07/15 - Astronomical Mnemonics Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 95 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 19:57:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/mnemonics Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:14 $ ASTRONOMICAL MNEMONICS (This is the last FAQ section posted to sci.astro) Gathered from various flurries of mnemonic postings on sci.astro. Spectral classification sequence: O B A F G K M R N S Oh Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me Right Now, Sweetheart. (a classic) O'Dell's Big Astronomical Fiasco Gonna Kill Me Right Now Surely Obese Balding Astronomy Found Guilty; Killed Many Reluctant Nonscience Students. Octopus Brains, A Favorite Gastronomical Kitchen Menu, Requires No Sauce Odd Ball Astronomers Find Generally Kooky Mnemonics Really Nifty Stuff Oh Big And Ferocious Gorilla, Kill My Roomate Next Saturday Oh Boy, A Flash! Godzilla Kills Mothra! Really Not Surprising! Oh Boy, An F Grade Kills Me On Bad Afternoons Fermented Grapes Keep Mrs. Richard Nixon Smiling On, Backward Astronomer, Forget Geocentricity; Kepler's Motions Reveal Nature's Simplicity Our Bad Astronomy Faculty Gets Killed Monday Oven Baked Ants, Fried Gently, Kept Moist, Retain Natural Succulence Overseas Broadcast: A Flash! Godzilla kills Mothra! (Rodan Named Successor) Overweight Boys and Fat Girls Keep Munching Only Bored Astronomers Find Gratification Knowing Mnemonics Oh Bloody Astronomy! F Grades Kill Me Order of the planets: Sun Mercury Venus Earth (Terra) Mars (Asteroids) Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune Pluto My Very Earnest Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas Mother Very Thoughtfully Made A Jelly Sandwich Under No Protest My Very Erotic Mate Joyfully Satisfies Unusual Needs Passionately Men Very Easily Make Jugs Serve Useful Nocturnal Purposes Man Very Early Made A Jug Serve Useful Noble Purposes My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets My Very Eager Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets My Very Exhausted Mother hAs Just Swept Up a Planetary Nebula Most Voters Earn Money Just Showing Up Near Polls My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizza-pies Many Viscious Elephants Made John, Suzy and Uncle Need Protection Solar Mass Very Easily Makes All Jupiter's Satellites Undergo Numerous Perturbations. Mein Vater erklaert mir jeden Sonntag unsere niedlichen Planeten (My Father explains to me every Sunday our nine planets) Man verachte einen Menschen in seinem Unglueck nie -- Punkt (Never scorn/despise a person in his misfortune/bad luck/misery -- period!) Colors of the spectrum: Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet ROY G. BIV (pronounce as a man's name) Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain Read Out Your Good Book In Verse Galilean Satellite of Jupiter: Io Europa Ganymede Callisto I Expect God Cries I Eat Green Cheese I Embarrass Good Christians Ich erschrecke all guten Christen (I scare all good Christians) Saturnian Satellites MET DR THIP Miriam's Enchiladas Taste Divine Recently. Tell Her I'm Proud. (Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan, Hyperion, Iapetus, Phoebe) Uranian Satellites: MAUTO Mispronunciations Afflict Uranus Too Often My Angel Uriel Takes Opium (Miranda, Ariel, Umbriel, Titania, Oberon) NOTE: the remaining FAQ sections do not appear in sci.astro, as they cover material of relevance only to sci.space. NEXT: FAQ #8/15 - Contacting NASA, ESA, and other space agencies/companies " 8894,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 17 In article , pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) wrote: > In article > sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > >Ignorance is not bliss! > Ignorance is STRENGTH! > Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE! Huh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece of information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 8895,15,"From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) Subject: Re: Help Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 27 Jon Ogden (jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com) wrote: : It is a dead and useless faith which has no action behind it. Actions : prove our faith and show the genuineness of it. A good example of this is Abraham (referred to in the James passage). Hebrews says that Abraham was justified by faith -- but his faith was demonstrated through his works (i.e., he obeyed what God told him to do). Reading Abraham's ``biography'' in Genesis is very instructive. He was a man beset by *lack* of faith a lot of the time (e.g. lying about Sarah being his wife on 2 occasions; trying to fulfil God's promise on God's behalf by copulating with Hagar). . . yet it seems that God didn't evaluate him on the basis of individual incidents. Abraham is listed as one of the ``heroes of faith'' in Hebrews 11. i.e., when it really came to the crunch, God declared Abraham as a man of faith. He believed God's promises. This gives us confidence. Although real faith demonstrates itself through works, God is not going to judge us according to our success/failure in performing works. ``Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy he saved us, through the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit.'' (Titus 3.5) Amazing Grace! Hallelujah! -- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk) " 8896,12,"Subject: 68HC16 public domain software? From: murashiea@mail.beckman.com (Ed Murashie) Organization: DSG Development Eng Beckman Instruments Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.217.245.87 Lines: 11 Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor? I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C' compiler. Thanks in advance. Ed Murashie ------------------ Ed Murashie US Mail : Beckman Instruments Inc. phone: (714) 993-8895 Diagnostic System Group fax: (714) 961-3759 200 S. Kraemer Blvd W-361 Internet: murashiea@mail.beckman.com Brea, Ca 92621 " 8897,4,"From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm) Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping Lines: 45 Steve Bollinger writes: >Enter game developers. The sound driver and current sound manager are >inconveniently lame for making games. The Sound Driver is pretty ok, since it's fast. Sound Manager used by the book is *useless*. Disposing of sound channels as soon as sound has completed is out of the question for games with smooth animation. (It's too slow.) The Sound Driver is so much snappier than Sound Manager. Unfortunately, System 7 supports it poorly, making programs crash occasionally. >The more of the story is to developers: DON'T CHEAT! >Really, I am absolutely, positively not allowed to do what I am about to >do, >but I'm going say it anyway. >Stop cheating on sound! >Really soon, you will be sorry, as even those without external speakers >will be disappointed with your sound on future hardware. The grace period >is about to end. >The Sound Manager is understandable now, and works pretty well and will >work >even better soon, so use it. Well, I want my code to work on old systems too. I don't know about sys 7.1, but at least on 6.0.7, there are bugs in the Sound Manager that causes channels to hang (with no error message). This happends when I keep a channel open for long periods - necessary for performance - and play many sounds, stopping sounds halfway. Callbacks seems not to be reliable. Then only way I can safely tell if a sound has stopped playing is to inspect private variables in the channel (QHead, I think it was), and the only way I have found to tell if a channel is hung is to inspect an *undocumented* flag and modify it. Am I happy with this? Nope. I consider writing to SoundBase simply to get rid of the bugs. Any better suggestions? (Silent games is not among the acceptab|e solutions.) -- Ingemar Ragnemalm Dept. of Electrical Engineering ...!uunet!mcvax!enea!rainier!ingemar .. University of Linkoping, Sweden ingemar@isy.liu.se " 8898,12,"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 99 nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes: >>Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always >>see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At >>nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas >>fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot >>water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many >>fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive >>contamination. Actually the reasons you don't see so many cooling towers at fossil plants are 1) fossil units (multiple units per plant) are generally smaller than nuclear plants. 300 MWe seemed to be a very popular size when many fossil plants were built. The average nuclear plant is 1000 MWe. 2) many fossil plants were grandfathered when water discharge regulations were adopted (""why those old dirt burners can't harm anything, let 'em go.""). 3) powered draft cooling towers, low enough to the ground to be generally not visible from off-site, are quite popular with fossil plants. 4) fossil plants used to get much less regulatory attention than nuclears. > Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual >boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry >that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's >more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system >as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. > Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they >usually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the >way down to ambient. Some plants do cool the condensers with water, >rather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about ""thermal >pollution"" de-icing a river, said, ""Up here, we view heat as a resource"". Actually the condensing environment is essentially the same for plants of similar size. The issues are the same regardless of where the heat comes from. Condensers are run at as high a vacuum as possible in order to reduce aerodynamic drag on the turbine. The condenser pressure is normally water's vapor pressure at the condensing temperature. It is desirable that the steam exhaust be free of water droplets because moisture in the steam causes severe erosion damage to the turbine low pressure blades and because entrained water moving at high velocity causes erosion of the condenser tubes. The coldest and thus lowest pressure condensing environment is always the best. A related issue is that of pumping the condensate from the hotwell (where the water ends up after dripping off the condenser tubes.) Since the condenser is at a very low pressure, the only force driving the condensate into the hotwell pumps is gravity. If the condensate is too hot or the gravity head is too low, the condensate will reflash into steam bubbles and cause the condensate pumps to cavitate. This is a particularly destructive form of cavitation that is to be avoided at all costs. The hotwell pumps are located in the lowest point in the plant in order to provide a gravity head to the pumps. How much lower they must be is a function of how hot the water is allowed to get in the hotwell. Typically hotwell temperatures run between 100 and 120 degrees depending on the temperature of the river water (this term is used to describe the river grade water even when the cooling tower system is operating in closed loop mode and essentially no river water is pumped.) When the river water temperature is high in the summer, operators will typically allow the hotwell level to rise in order to provide more gravity head. There is a tradeoff involved since higher hotwell levels will encroach onto the condensing tubes and reduce the condenser area. At least in the East and elsewhere where moisture actually exists in the air :-), the river water will almost always be cooler than the discharge water from the cooling towers. The temperature of the discharge water from the cooling towers is set by the ambient air temperature and humidity. It is very rare in the East to hear of actual river water temperatures exceeding 70 degrees. A vast difference from the typical ""95-95"" days (95 degrees, 95% humidity) we see routinely in the East. It is not unusual, particularly where the econazis have been successful in clamping rigid discharge water temperature limits on a plant, for the plant to have to reduce the firing rate when the air temperature gets too high and the condenser cannot handle the heat load without excessive pressure. > Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers. The water used is >purified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when >the water boils. Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than >cooling it, so the boiler water is recycled. True. Actually secondary plant (the part that makes electricity and feeds feedwater to the boiler) water chemistry has been the bastard stepchild until recently and has not gotten the respect it deserves. The plant chemists have just in the past decade or so fully understood the costs of impure water. By ""impure"", I mean water with a few dozen extra micromho of conductivity and/or a few PPM of dissolved oxygen. Secondary water is now typically the most pure one will find outside the laboratory. John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? " 8899,6,"From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire) Subject: Car AMP [Forsale] Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net ========================= =Car Audio System Items:= ========================= Sony XR-7070 Head Unit (Radio): Pullout ============================== 20 W x 4 max. Dolby B. Controls all Sony CD Changers: disc/track select; track/disc scan; repeat; shuffle play. Features auto reverse; logic controls. 6AM/18FM presets; strong station memory; preset scan; tuner monitor; seek/manual tuning; mono/stereo and local/dx switches. Metal tape compatible. Fader.......Orig $299 Sony CDX-A15 10 Disc CD Changer: =============================== 4x oversampling, dual D/A converters with single clock design. Features one-beam laser; spring and silicon-charged suspension system; horizontal or vertical mounting; 13-pin DIN connector; 10-disc magazine; connecting cable. 5-20,000 Hz; 0.05% THD.......Orig $399 **** ASKING **** $450 for Both the Radio (CD Controller) and the CD Changer. There are no problems with either unit and they are both in reasonably good condition. (The Radio and CD Changers will only be sold TOGETHER.). TWO (2) Coustic Amp-360: ======================== 3 Channels; bridgeable. 30w x 2 + 105w X 1 into 4 ohms from 20-20,000 Hz with 0.09% Thd. 1 Channel - 150w x 1 into 4 ohms from 20-20,000 Hz with 0.2% Thd or 2 Channels - 65w x 2 into 4 ohms from 20-20,000 Hz with 0.09% Thd. 2 ohm stable. Features pwm switching power supply w/ protection circuits.......Orig $249 **** ASKING **** $150/each. The units are in good working condition and are currently being used to supply power to my subs (Can demonstrate power ratings!!). If you are interested in any of the above items, or have any questions drop me some E-Mail. foxfire@access.digex.com " 8900,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr23.225710.10438@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of >the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers [...] It wasn't all that long ago that the acts of Israeli soldiers were described as ""superhuman"". Now, they are ""inhuman"". Did the Israelis change so radically so quickly or have reporting attitudes changed? > and the blessing >received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt >go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races >when they got power. When the Jews were powerless, they did what they could to help others, which was obviously quite limited. Later, liberated American Jews were on the forefront of the civil-rights movement. The Jewish government of Israel rescued Jews ranging in skin color from White Russian to Brown Yemenite to Black Ethiopian. Please, Andi, tell us ""how the Jews are treating other races when they got power."" >It is unfortunate. Your ignorance and bias are indeed unfortunate. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 8901,1,"Subject: Re: Looking for Tseng VESA drivers From: t890449@patan.fi.upm.es () Organization: /usr/local/lib/organization Nntp-Posting-Host: patan.fi.upm.es Lines: 10 Hi, this is my first msg to the Net (actually the 3rd copy of it, dam*ed VI!!). Look for the new VPIC6.0, it comes with updated VESA 1.2 drivers for almost every known card. The VESA level is 1.2, and my Tseng4000 24-bit has a nice affair with the driver. Hope it is useful!! Bye " 8902,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 14 Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable one: Make it voluntary. That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 8903,0,"From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: The University of Adelaide Lines: 123 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au Keywords: Dan Bissell bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It >makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, >lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he >writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, >in the process he became a Christian himself. I assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has Tony Campello read? Not much it seems. > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say. It is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about. If only those christian ""scientists"" would take note. (In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian scientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly true, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified by using the laws of physics. For example, there are a few chaps who are trying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the error in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed light has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been accounted for. :-] ) > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Or (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never intended to become a manifesto for a billion people. Did Tony follow that one up? > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Millions of people have ""died for a lie"". This point is difficult to substantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments work in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed themselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory of the Spanish invaders. The list is endless. The Aztecs lost, BTW. >Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people. That is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone) to become a christian. More to the point, it does not add weight to the claim that Jesus was the ""real thing"". > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. Have you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany? More to the point, did Tony mention this? One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his many colleagues fools, or illogical men, their support of Hitler was based (I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with his principles. Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler was sane.... > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Hmmm.... I don't think his arguments warrant the use of a ""Therefore..."" > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. This is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with people result in - quoting the bible. The only reasonable way I think people can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of metaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to present. If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or she will end up in all sorts of shit. Tony's argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe the events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone, who thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the book is totally pointless. For example, in mathematics you cannot say ""a is equal to b because a is equal to b"". > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. That would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed in religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all claiming to be correct. It >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the >same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes >time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >ourselves. I think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames than here :-). I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments of a stranger should be of interest to other people. Someone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one rules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead. If I am pressed I could probably find the exact quotation. Cheers, Charles. " 8904,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record- >players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower >per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems. > I don't think so at first, but solid state offered better reliabity, id bet, and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up. pat " 8905,4,"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) Subject: Re: Q800 Video RAM Questions Distribution: na Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr5.192833.19102@cbnews.cb.att.com> jbr0@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.a.brownlee) writes: > Could someone post a *definitive* answer about the VRAM configuration > for the > Q800 (and presumably the C610 and C650 as well). There seems to be a > lot of > confusion about this issue. I'd like to know: > > . What kind of SIMMs are the VRAM SIMMs (i.e. 30-pin, etc.)? There's only one physical size for VRAM SIMMs (unlike DRAM SIMMs which come in many, many sizes and pinouts), although they do come with differing amounts of VRAM on them. The ones you need are 256KB SIMMs, are organized as 128K x 16, and have two 128K x 8 VRAM chips on them. This is the only size which the Quadra and Centris machines can use. > . How many VRAM SIMM slots are there? Two. > . What rules (if any) must be followed in filling the slots (e.g in > pairs, sizes must match, etc.)? Both SIMM slots must be filled; putting a SIMM in only one slot does nothing for you. > . How fast must they be? 80 ns for the Q800 and C650, 100 ns for the C610. > . Is there any other relevant information? There are certain VRAM chip manufacturers whose parts are not compatible with the Quadra and Centris video hardware. Make sure that the source you get them from guarantees compatiblity. In general, if it works in a Q950, it will work in a Q800. > Please don't reply unless you have the *correct* information. Many > thanks in > advance for helping to eliminate some noise from this group. Trust me. ;-) - Dale Adams Apple Computer, Inc. " 8906,19,"From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1qe8qk$58t@news.ysu.edu> af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: > >I need to prioritize things in my life, and this board is not all that important >to me. My personal relationship wife the Lord is first, my wife is second, and >my ministry at church is third. (Not to mention my job!) Have you informed your wife of this prioritization? This board will have >to wait until (if ever) I can organize my life to fit it in. I tried dropping >out, but Sieferman coerced me to come back. He won't this time. Thou hast used my name in vain! I never coerce. Ridicule, maybe, but never coerce. Please take responsibility for your actions. (deletia) >I'm history. >Frank I appreciate your efforts. Good luck. " 8907,8,"From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: Re: Route Suggestions? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr20.173413.29301@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell) writes: >In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes: >> 55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined >> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions > >If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a >pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic). You ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures). As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound, rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's... <...> <...> > '\ Mitch Corrado > / DEC \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | " 8908,4,"From: dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley) Subject: Re: LCIII problems Organization: wyvern.com Lines: 25 Ravi Konchigeri writes: >About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad >sector or something) was an IBM. The new one is a Quantum. Is the LCIII >supposed to be shipped with IBMs? Is there a quality difference? Officially, no. From experience (yours now included!), yes. Quantums seem to be the most problem-free brand on the Mac. >Second, about hard drive position. I've put the LCIII on its side and >the new 160 HD has had no problems at all. I've even switched back and >forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems. As far >as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up >to 160 meg, in any computer. Don't know about CD-ROM, though. It should not matter for the hard drive or the Mac. Well, as long as it doesn't fall over. ;) Doug -- This Signature Under Construction -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wyvern Technologies | Tidewater's Premier Online Information System | (804) 627-1818, login guest, password guest to register " 8909,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. In-Reply-To: louie@sayshell.umd.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 13:10:00 GMT Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers <1qovj8$74m@ni.umd.edu> Distribution: na Lines: 24 In article <1qovj8$74m@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in place. You have it slightly wrong. They dumped the encryption system because they could not export it -- not because they could not produce it for U.S. use. There are no legal restraints on citizen use of strong cryptography -- yet. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 8910,9,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Baseball Stats Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Expires: 5/5/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: 1992 EWB II Stats wanted Hello, my friends and I are running the Homewood Fantasy Baseball League (pure fantasy baseball teams). Unfortunely, we are running the league using Earl Weaver Baseball II with the Comm. Disk II and we need the stats for the 1992 season. (Preferably the 1992 Major League Stat Disk) We have the '92 total stats but EWB2 needs the split stats otherwise we have 200 inning games because the Comm. Disk turns total stats into vs. L's stats unless you know both right and left -handed stats. So, if anyone has the EWB2 '92 Stat Disk please e-mail me! __________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | |and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | |****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 8911,13,"From: brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: National Library of Medicine X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Distribution: na Lines: 30 mryan@stsci.edu writes: : Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? : : Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. : I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The : clinic was open till 6:00 pm. The receptionist went to the back and told the : doctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not : see us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed : here. During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several : trips to the back room, the receptionist told me: : - the doctor was doing paperwork in the back, : - the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going : to the emergency room; : - the doctor would not even speak to me; : - she would not tell me the doctor's name, or her own name; : - when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said ""I don't know."" : : I realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but : I was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to : be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. Speaking as a physician who works in an urgent care center, the above behavior is completely inappropriate. If a patient who requires extensive care shows up at the last minute, we always see them and give them appropriate care. It is reasonable for a clinic to refuse to see patients outside of its posted hours, but what you describe is misbehavior. Ask to speak to the clinic director, and complain. Whatever their attitude, they have nothing to gain from angering patients. Brandon Brylawski " 8912,19,"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: ""Ex-Gay""? (was: HOMOSEXUALITY Fact & Fiction) Lines: 152 Return-Path: Tony- While I honestly believe you believe you are doing a ""good thing"" by posting that piece of propaganda, I believe the more people believe that the more they will feel justified in their blatant persecution of gay oriented people. I have seen the film called ""The Gay Agenda"" and along with my church we found it to be horrifying. Not because of what was actually shown (cleaver use of editting can create any image one wants to portray), rather becaseu we are familia familiar with how widely it was actively distributed and how many naive people are actually believing the garbage found within it. The truth is that neither you nor I can fully speak for anyone who calls themself gay, but knowing as many as I do and knowing their testimonies and witnessing thier faith and life I have to say that the report you posted is a very biased report, something obviously claimed against gays as well. The truth is that unless YOU are innately gay you cannot know what harm you are causing. I speak as an abolitionist who supports affirming gay rights in our society. I do not support wild sex or any other misrepresentations perpetrated by Christian Fundamentalist extremists, but I know people who are not the sexual deviants your report paints them to be. It is no mistake that the APA removed homosexuality from it's list of mental illnesses, it is also no mistake that there are many Christians and homophobes who long to bring it back to the list. I do not feel threatened by gays, I don't understand why others are. The following is an article concerning two of the more popular ex-gay min- istries: Exodus International & Homosexuals Anonymous. THE FOUNDER OF AN ""EX-GAY"" SUPPORT GROUP CHOOSES HOMO OVER HETERO by Robert Pela (from Gay oriented magazine ADVOCATE) In December 1985, David Caligiuri received one of The Advocate's homophobia rewaa awards: the A Prayer A Day Keeps the Lust Away citation. As director of FREE INDEED, a national ex-gay ministry, Caligiuri was singled out for offering discontented gays and lesbians ""a way out of the homosexual death-style"" through prayer. ""I'd like to give the award back,"" Caligiuri now laughs, ""I'm no longer deserve it."" Caligiuri's eight year involvement with the national ""ex-gay"" movement peaked with his founding of the Phoenix chapter of Homosexuals Anonymous (HA) as well as Free Indeed. He has since abandoned his pulpit and now says that the ex- gay movement is a fruitless effort based on deception. ""There's no reality in it,"" he says, ""I was selling a product, and my product was a lie."" Headed up by national ministries like Exodus International and Courage, the organizations of the ex-gay movement rely on the tenents of born-again Christianity to convince disatisfied homosexuals -- usually young gay men who are just coming out -- that they can shed their sexuality by suppressing their sexual urges and embracing Christianity. ""We offer support to people who are seeking to leave the sin of homosexuality,"" explains Bob Davies, director of Exodus. He ventures that ""about 80% of those seeking to abandon their homo- sexuality are men."" ""Anybody who is involved in the ex-gay ministry is misguided and is wasting their time,"" says Lisa Seeley, a former ""redeemed lesbian"" who worked with Caligiuri as HA and appeared with him on the Sally Jessy Raphael show. ""These organizations are for people who are spiritually and emotionally wounded."" ""It's possible to change your identity or your behavior,"" says sex educator Brian McNaught, author of _On Being Gay_. ""But it's really impossible to change your orientation. These people are no longer calling themselves gay, but they continue to have same-sex erotic feelings."" Caligiuri says he founded Free Indeed after an ominous week in 1981 when all hell broke loose in his personal life. A few days after his lover ended both their romance and their business partnership, Caligiuri was sexually assaulted by a man he picked up in a bar. ""I was really drunk,"" he recalls, ""and I went home with this guy. He tied me up and raped me. He left me tied up all night, and the next morning he raped me again."" When Caligiuri was eventually freed by the attacker, he returned home to the home he shared with his ex-lover. ""He had another man there with him,"" Caligiuri recalls. ""I thought at this time, 'If this is what being gay is about, I don't want to be this way anymore."" Caligiuri vowed that if he could find a way out, he would share his discovery with others. He organized an antigay contingent to demonstrate at Phoenix's gay pride parade in June 1985, and a few months later Free Indeed held its first public protest. At a meeting to promote a gay civil rights ordinance, Free Indeed members loudly blasted gays, telling them ther were sinners headed for hell. Free Indeed began receiving about a hundred telephone calls a week, thanks in part to a deceptive listing in the local yellow pages. ""We were listed under Lesbian and Gay Alternative Services,"" Caligiuri says, ""so people thought we were a gay information switchboard. People would call to find out where the local bars were, and we'd preach to them about the sins of homo- sexuality."" Ruses like this are typical of the movement, Caligiuri says, adding, ""They'll do anything to reach these people."" ""David used to go on radio and say really stupid things,"" recalls Peter Kelly, a counselor at Phoenix's Catholic diocese AIDS program, ""like that he knew he was gay when he started wearing pastel colors."" Caligiuri's family first found out about his ministry when they saw him on Raphael's syndicated talk show in 1985. ""They were relieved,"" he recalls. ""They figured that if they had to have a gay person in the family, better that I should be a 'reformed' gay person."" But Caligiuri was hardly reformed. ""By the time I appeared on Sally's show,"" ""I'd started having sex with men again. Men would call our hotline and tell me about thier latest sin: sex with their pastor, sex with their father. I was horny all the time."" Unable to risk going to gay bars, where he might be recognized from his numerous television appearances, Caligiuri says he ""used to go to bookstores and get blowjobs."" When he wasn't working the bookstores, he was sleeping with other ""reformed"" homosexuals. ""I didn't realize it at first, but a lot of the HA leaders were having sex with one another,"" Caligiuri says. ""We'd go to conferences in other cities, and we'd be paired up in hotel rooms. Everybody was sleeping with everybody else."" By the time he appeared on 'AM Philadelphia' television show in May 1988, Caligiuri was having anonymous sex a couple times a week. When the show's host asked him if he ever ""acted on temptation,"" his answer was a lie. Caligiuri's duplicity began to take it's toll on him, however. He was suffering from chrinic fatigue syndrome and candidiasis, a dibilitating yeast infection, and this led to his escape from the sect. ""I was too sick to go to church,"" he explains. ""The more time I spent away from those people the more I began to feel like myself. I began to remember who I used to be."" Late in 1991, Caligiuri turned Free Indeed phone lines over to a local church and closed the ministry's doors. ""I'd convinced myself that there is no need in the world for ex-gay people,"" he says. Today, Caligiuri, 31, is studying alternative spiritualities (""I'm interest- ed in belief systems that aren't judgemental.""), considering romance (""But not with a CHristian!""), and searching for a new project to devote himself to. ""I feel compelled to commit myself to gay causes,"" he says. ""I want to eventually stop feeling guilty about what I did and make up for the damage I may have brought to our community."" ---end article--- Caligiuri's tory is by no means unique and I have read several other articles of former leaders and founders of 'ex-gay' ministries who have said very similar th similar things. Fortuantely not all of them have left Christianity, but have come to realize that God loves them despite the attitudes of others. Some, like Chris Glaser, director of the Presbyterian ""Lazarus Project"" of West Hollywood Presbyterian Church have actually been working with the gay community to bring them into the sheepfold of Christ and encouraging real ethical values of sexuality within the sphere of being gay. I have also, as I said talked and become and become close friends with many who once attended such groups as ""Love In Action"" and others, who either once claimed to have been ""reformed"" or who were too honest with themselves to live a lie, no matter who was disappointed in them. Some were even encouraged to marry as a way of ""sealing"" their new heterosexuality, only to eventually start hitting the bars, bathhouses and bookstores, since these were usually activities under the concealment of night and one-night-stands of promiscuous behavior meant no continuous ""sin"" through a committed relationship. This is a horrible trap which the CHurch has dumped on the backs of the truly gay oriented people, and the very inno- cent victims in these cases are the wives and children of such marriages. Yet the church insists that there are only two options they are willing to allow gay people: 1) heterosexuality or 2) celebacy. This is sad. What is also mrtifying, is in the cases of those who cannot suppress their desires and fear for thier sanity in such a mixed up confusion that the church forces on them, they may even opt for 'suicide' or surgical dampering of the brain functions. In the past lobotomies and heavey drug suppressants were common- place. There are now becoming available more and more literature on the threat of coercive Christianity toward gays, such as Sylvia Pennington's _""Ex-Gays? There Are None_. and others. There are also a great many fact based books being written to help people trapped in this confusion such as Maury Johnston's _Gays Under Grace_, and Chris Glaser's _Come Hom!_. I seriously recommend those for people seeking help for this persecution and self-acceptance. Thank you. " 8913,1,"From: sab@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Subject: Info needed: 2D contour plotting Lines: 16 Hi Everyone-- It's spend-the-money-before-it-goes-away time here at U.Florida and we need to find some PC-based software that will do contour plotting with irregular boundaries,i.e., a 2-D profile of a soil system with a pond superimposed /----------------- on it. We've given SURFER a POND / | trial run but it interpolates / | contours out into the pond and/or ----------/ | creates artifacts at the borders. | SOIL | If anyone out there knows of a | | product, I'ld appreciate hearing |________________________________| about it. If there is enough of a response, I'll post a summary. Thanks -- (and now back to lurking). Steve Bloom, Soil & Water Science, U.Fl (SAB@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU) " 8914,10,From: arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel) Subject: Looking for boxscores Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: na Lines: 5 I am looking for all the 84 boxscores of any NHL team for some personal research. Can someone help me ? Michel Arsenault 8915,1,"From: jack@shograf.com (Jack Ritter) Subject: Help!! Article-I.D.: shograf.C531E6.7uo Distribution: usa Organization: SHOgraphics, Sunnyvale Lines: 9 I need a complete list of all the polygons that there are, in order. I'll summarize to the net. -------------------------------------------------------- ""If only I had been compiled with the '-g' option."" --------------------------------------------------------- " 8916,3,"From: dwayne@stratsft.uucp (Dwayne Bailey) Subject: Need help identifying Serial board Organization: Strategic Software, Redford, Michigan Lines: 26 I need some help with a multi port serial board of unknown origin. I'm hoping someone knows what this board is, or, even better, what the various switches and jumbers are used for. Anyway, here's description of the card: It is a 16-bit card, although I noticed that none of the contacts in the 16-bit extension are connected to anything. It has 4 NS16550AN chips in sockets, and 4 corresponding connecters labeled COM1 - COM4. There is also an external female connector with 37 pins. There are 8 banks of 8 switches, 2 banks of 4 switches, and 7 jumpers. I believe that I have determined, by following traces, that SW5 and SW6 (12 switches in all) control the interrupt level for each of the COM ports. SW5[1-4] are for IRQ3, SW5[5-8] are for IRQ4, and SW6[1-4] are for IRQ5. The other switches are beyond my meager ability to follow. The only identification printed on the board is ""MULTI SERIAL PORT BOARD"" across the bottom. There is a box for serial number, but it is blank. Immediately below the words ""SERIAL NO"", but not in the box left for the S/N, are the numbers ""1990 2 8"". Anyone have any clues? Your help is greatly appreciated. -- dwayne@stratsft.UUCP + ""We have ways to make you scream."" Dwayne Bailey + -- Intel advertisement, Strategic Software + in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal Redford, Michigan + " 8917,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Absood Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 To my fellow Columbian, I must ask, why do you say that I engage in fantasies? Arafat is a terrorist, who happens to have a lot of pull among Palestinians. Can we ignore the two facts? I doubt it. Peace, roar lion roar, and other niceties, Pete " 8918,8,"From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes: |> |> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ? |> |> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner |> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals. |> |> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic. |> |> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat |> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny |> finish ? |> In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using rubberized undercoating for this. -- Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu) NCSA Networking Development Group '93 CBR600F2 '78 KZ650 '83 Subaru GL 4WD - I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me - " 8919,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 10 In article <1qmq7tINN9l@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: >Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance >cars, but I haven't seen any public responses. > >What are people's experiences with these cars? > >Daryl > they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next year with all new models. " 8920,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 85 In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu> (Steve Tomassi) writes: > Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? >I >mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, >as >is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell >Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in >Eddie >Murray and Jeff Reardon. Um, what? Eddie Murray was a superb first baseman for a *long* time. Winfield as produced consistently for almsot 20 years, and excellently on several occasions. Dave Kingman's *best* year was like Darryl Strawberry's *typical* year with the Mets. Darrell Evans, too, did a whole lot more than just hit homers, which *is* all that Kong did. > Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody >giving >Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, >marginal. Whom are you talking about? Yes, Eddie Murray is marginal, but that's because he's 38 years old. He wasn't marginal for a *long* time. >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. Not. Smith has hung around for a long time AND fielded the position better than anyone else ever has. Yount stopped being a shortstop about a decade ago, in case you hadn't noticed. One of his two MVP awards was as a centerfielder. > Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors >so >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if Like whom? There are many players in the Hall who aren't anywhere near as goos as the guys you're running down. >something >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When That's already the case, by some standards. But the *bad* players in the Hall are all from the 20's and 30's. Recent picks have generally been excellent. >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? No, but who cares? Was Stan Musial anywhere near as good as Babe Ruth? Not really. But he obviously belongs there. The Hall has generally had about the top 1% of major leaguers. As more players come through the game, more will be in that top 1%. And, yes, it's pretty easy to argue that Smith,. Yount, Evans, Winfield, etc. are in the top 1%. Dave Kingman on the other hand, was a liability throughout most of his career. Of course, Garvey *hasn't* gotten a lot of HOF press, so I don't know what you mean. As for Ryan, is his W-L better than Morris'? That's what a lot of voters tend to look at. And Morris *was* awfully good for a decade, and doesn't lead MLB history in walks allowed, either. Roger " 8921,6,"From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) Subject: Forsale: Drum things.. CHEAP! Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. Lines: 22 North heavy Duty hi hat stand $45 older stand... but definately in working shape.. could use a little clean up. comes with clutch and felts, etc.. Pearl bass drum pedal with felt beater $20 honer cymbal stand $15 (needs some work on cymbal stem) Zildjian 20"" Ride cymbal $55 main line zildjian... older ride cymbal Ludwig snare stand $10 okay snare stand.. NOT like a remo though ;) shipping extra.. please email -- Stephen M. Jones <=> sdf.system.administrator smj@sdf.lonestar.org " 8922,8,"From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster ) Subject: FOR SALE Nntp-Posting-Host: sunsol.mlb.semi.harris.com Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL Keywords: FOR SALE Lines: 46 I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU. This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused. Always garaged. 1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue) factory 1200cc conversion kit less than 8000 miles Branch ported and polished big valve heads Screamin Eagle carb Screamin Eagle cam adjustable pushrods Harley performance mufflers tachometer new Metzeler tires front and rear Progressive front fork springs Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar everything chromed O-ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat new Die-Hard battery bike cover price: $7000.00 phone: hm 407/254-1398 wk 407/724-7137 Melbourne, Florida " 8923,3,"From: butzen@binky.nas.nasa.gov (Nicholas A. Butzen) Subject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Lines: 29 They are actually 72 pin. They come in 4, 8, 16, and 32 with 64s soon If you are interested in 4s or 8s, I may be able to help. Please call 415-324-2881 after 4:00 pm pdt. I may be interested in a trade. NAB ASAN-NASA it's all done with mirrors In article <1pq2ofINNe2t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes: |> |> In <113956@bu.edu> nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes: |> |> >I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS |> >that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just |> >received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the |> >motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm |> >or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would |> >be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before. |> >Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks |> >Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu |> |> Yes you got the wrong simm. You need 70 pin simms in 4 or 16 meg |> flavors. |> |> -- |> The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU | |> Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | | |> DoD#0667 ""Just a friend of the beast."" | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU | |> 2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET | " 8924,8,"Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernalia From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 11 In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote: > > How about a decal of thicker vinyl? How about a Geeky temporary tatoo? I mean, why should the RUBs be exempt from a little razzing. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. " 8925,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says: >In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family >>sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the >>*brakes.* > > That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the >SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, >vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, >drums rear. one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. of course, the sales man was a fool...""titanium wheels""..yeah, right.. then later told me they were ""magnesium""..more believable, but still crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to ""standard"" for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like 11"" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have braking regulations). DREW " 8926,12,"From: mwtilden@math.uwaterloo.ca (Mark W. Tilden) Subject: BEAM Robot Olympic Games next Week in Toronto. Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 17 One week to the Robot Olympic games. Fire up the mechanoids for combat and come on down. Competitors please note that there has been a slight change; the registration desk will now be in the forward building of the Science Centre rather than in the main competing hall. When you arrive, please go to this desk. Those that have pre-registered by real-mail will find badges waiting. Is all. See you here. -- Mark Tilden: _-_-_-__--__--_ /(glitch!) M.F.C.F Hardware Design Lab. -_-___ | \ /\/ U of Waterloo. Ont. Can, N2L-3G1 |__-_-_-| \/ (519)885-1211 ext. 2454 ""MY OPINIONS, YOU HEAR!? MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!"" " 8927,5,From: vic@fajita (V. Martinez 6463) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Article-I.D.: ast.1993Apr6.165718.528 Organization: SAIC Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I was having the same problems compiling X11R5 on a IPC sunos 4.1.3. If you compile with 'make -k World' it will not stop on the ld errors. As was stated in another post the clients with the errors still run correctly. Victor Martinez vic@fajita.saic.com 8928,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : ( Organization: George Washington University Lines: 19 Hey now. First of all, sorry to post this DOS question in a WINDOWS group, but I'm in kinda a hurry, so I can't scramble to find the dos groups' names. Anyway, anyone know where I ccan find the exit codes to DOS commands? the manual doesn't seem to have all of them. I'm particularly looking for COPY, in order to make a ""move"" batch file, such that if the file wasn't coppied properly, it won't be deleted. please e'mail louray@seas.gwu.edu Thanks, I.A, Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) " 8929,12,"From: ah499@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Daniels) Subject: HELP!: Apple II Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu I recently bought an apparantly complete Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer Inc. It consists of a box with 8 Apple ][+ compatible slots, powersupply brick, interface card and ribbon cable to attach it to the computer to be expanded. There was also included a small card with empty sockets on top and pins on the bottom that looks like it would plug into the ][+ motherboard somewhere after pulling a chip. There's an empty socket also on the interface card and a short 16-pin DIP jumper like the ones used with ][+ language cards. This technological marvel came with no docs and I haven't a clue as how to hook this thing up. If anyone has docs and/or users disk of any sort for this I could really use copies of them or at least some help. I need to know: o How to orient the ribbon cable between the card and the chassis. o How to attach the short cable from the motherboard to the card and if the small card is used. o The purposes of the various jumper-pins on the card (it has more of those than my CMS SCSI card!) thanks John Daniels ah499@cleveland.freenet.edu " 8930,1,"From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 In bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: >In <1qlobb$p5a@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: >[Most info regarding dangers of reading from Floppy disks omitted] >>unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a >>program to do this... >Nevertheless, it is an important bug that needs to be squashed. I am >merely pointing out that it was probably overlooked. While it is serious, >one must keep in mind that it will probably affect at most 5% of the >targeted users of CView. OK, I don't use CView anymore, but I saw that no one had explaind this ""bug"" in the thread, so here goes: It is NOT the fault of CView. It is DOS! If you leave a file open on a floppy drive, then change the disk and do something which updates or closes that file, you have a good chance of getting part of the directory and FAT from the other disk written to the new disk. This has always been true, and has destroyed data under other programs, not just CView. The only thing CView can do to improve the situation is to try not to leave files open unless it's actively using them (ie, reading and decoding). -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" " 8931,17,"From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) Subject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 28 nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes: : : THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH : : (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training : videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military As opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery against Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal variants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone throwers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5 minute evacuation warning. Using Shin Bit's ""reasonable"" physical pressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past practices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the Egyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978, the downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near the same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla. That is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs during the British mandate period. Ironically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly copied this article was running another article next to it by A.M. Rosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively saying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring your people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall who never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims. Alaa Zeineldine " 8932,12,"From: kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe) Subject: Re: How starters work really Keywords: fluorescent bulb starter neon Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 35 >>So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon, > >Imprecise. This description > > 1. ignores the role of the ballast, > 2. misrepresents the heating effects in the starter. > >The bimetalic strip cools down immediately after the contacts I've been thinking of sending into Mad magazine an idea for a parody, of those books entitled ""How Things Work"" that engineers buy their sons, which explain how engines, elevators, flourescent lights, etc. work. The parody would be ""How Things Really Work."" Under ""Canned Food"", on the left page you'd see the description from ""How Things Work"": gleaming stainless steel equipment pasteurizing the food to precisely the right temperature, then sealing the can in an oxygen-free environment, etc. On the right page you'd see ""How Things Really Work"": brain-dead workers sending disgusting food to the gleaming equipment -- rotting vegetables, parts of animals people don't eat, barrels of sugar and chemicals. Under ""Elevators"" you'd see (on the left) computer geniuses working out algorithms so that X number of people waiting for Y elevators will get to Z floors in the shortest time. On the right, you'd see giggling elevator controllers behind a one-way mirror in the lobby choosing which people appear to be in the biggest hurry and making them wait longest. -- ""Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out they are another's."" - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692. Thomas David Kehoe kehoe@netcom.com (408) 354-5926 " 8933,7,"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan) Subject: Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans? Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: usa Lines: 21 rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes: >aas7@po.CWRU.Edu writes: >> >> In a previous article, v064mcqs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ADAM M. GANDLER) says: >> >> > >> >I heard Chrysler is planning to design or is in the process >> >of designing a compact sedan line based on the LH platform. >> >If these were as thought out as the full sized sedans and >> >priced competitively, I see no reason why they could not give >> >the imports and even the Saturns a serious challenge. >> >> OH GOODY!!! We now get to see SATURNS sold through CRYCO dealers..... >> fab! >Why is it this A-hole insist on remarks like this. I really am growing >tired of this s*** DREW. Do you have a ""kill"" file for your newsreader? I put the name ""Spencer"" in my kill file and that gives me about 10-15 less articles PER DAY that I have to sift through. " 8934,0," cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith Subject: Re: <11710@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu Lines: 17 bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: > And in the US, even that argument doesn't stand. It costs far > more to execute a criminal in this country than it does to feed, > clothe, and shelter them for the remainder of their natural life. > Some people believe this is a fault of our judicial system. I > find it to be one of it's greatest virtues. I assume that you are talking about the appeals processes, etc.? Well, it should be noted that people who are imprisoned for life will also tend to appeal (though not quite as much in the ""final hours."" Anyway, economics is not a very good reason to either favor or oppose the punishment. keith " 8935,7,"From: Kurt Godden Subject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car Organization: GM R&D Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ksg.cs.gmr.com X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:54:11 GMT This appeared today in the The Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car in the US for sale in Japan. Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate Communications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith had a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota. this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM exports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed vehicle sales, parts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an arrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive vehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan. A working group has been formed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details. " 8936,10,"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: Goalie Mask Update Organization: UB Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: > > Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for >1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if >the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! >Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! > Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Soderstrom plays with Philly, but he doesn't have a moulded mask. He's got the helmet and cage variety, in white. Or at least that's what he wore thirteen hours ago. -- Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. " 8937,5,"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How? Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr16.093209.25719@fwi.uva.nl>, stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) writes: > I am using an X server that provides 3 visuals: PseudoColor 8 bit, > Truecolor 24 bit and DirectColor 24 bit. Lucky dog... :-) > A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is > different from the visual of the parent (which uses the default > visual which is TC24). > In the Xlib reference guide from 'O reilly one can read in the > section about XCteateWindow, something like: > In the current implementation of X11: When using a visual other > than the parent's, be sure to create or find a suitable colourmap > which is to be used in the window attributes when creating, or > else a BadMatch occurs. > This warning, strangely enough, is only mentioned in the newer > editions of the X11R5 guides. It applies with equal force to earlier versions. Presumably only recently did the author(s) decide it was important enough to mention. The necessity it refers to has always been there, but it's been implicit in the way CreateWindow requests default some attributes of the new window. > However, even if I pass along a suitable colourmap, I still get a > BadMatch when I create a window with a non-default visual. > attr.colormap = cmap; > win = XCreateWindow( [...] > CopyFromParent, /* border width */ > 8, /* depth */ > InputOutput, /* class */ > vinfo.visual, /* visual */ > CWColormap, > &attr > ); This is because the warning you read is incomplete. You have to provide not only a colormap but also a border. The default border is CopyFromParent, which is not valid when the window's depth doesn't match its parent's. Specify a border-pixmap of the correct depth, or a border-pixel, and the problem should go away. There is another problem: I can't find anything to indicate that CopyFromParent makes any sense as the border_width parameter to XCreateWindow. Your Xlib implementation probably defines CopyFromParent as zero, to simplify the conversion to wire format, so you are unwittingly asking for a border width of zero, due to the Xlib implementation not providing stricter type-checking. (To be fair, I'm not entirely certain it's possible for Xlib to catch this.) der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu " 8938,7,"From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine. Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Lines: 16 Distribution: world Reply-To: smith@ctron.com NNTP-Posting-Host: glinda.ctron.com In article , eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do >except to sell it and get a V6. Perhaps a nice used '88 Pontiac Fiero GT? 2.8 liters. Does anyone know if the motor mounts for the 2.8 and the twin-dual-cam 3.4 liter match? The 3.4 is supposedly derived from the pushrod 3.1, which was a punched out 2.8 liter. Should be a drop-in replacement, eh? 205 horses in a mid-engine the size of a Fiero? Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask? - Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want, it is the freedom to do whatever we are able. " 8939,14,"From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Distribution: World Expires: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 30 In article metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: >crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >> Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes: >>> ""Existence"" is undefined unless it is synonymous with ""observable"" in >>> physics. >> [crb] Dong .... Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of >> string theory? > > I agree. You can add ""dark matter"" and quarks and a lot of other >unobservable, purely theoretical constructs in physics to that list, >including the omni-present ""black holes."" > > Will Bruce argue that their existence can be inferred from theory >alone? Then what about my original criticism, when I said ""Curvature >can only exist relative to something non-curved""? Bruce replied: >""'Existence' is undefined unless it is synonymous with 'observable' in >physics. We cannot observe more than the four dimensions we know about."" >At the moment I don't see a way to defend that statement and the >existence of these unobservable phenomena simultaneously. -|Tom|- ""I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties."" ""Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view."" - Nikola Tesla ---- ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes."" ---- " 8940,18,"From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 47 kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: > >>Funny, but I've seen a LOT more than 10 or 15 seconds of that video, and >>I still think the police involved were guilty. I don't think there's any >>excuse they could POSSIBLY come up with that would make what they did >>OK. I don't care if Rodney King was satan himself, there's just no >>excuse. Now, whether they did it because he was black or they did it >>because they wanted to beat up on somebody they were arresting is >>another entirely separate question that I have insufficient information >>to make any kind of conclusion about. > > > How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives o > n > the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that > took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? Oh yeah, did you watch > the start of the video when King got UP out of his prone postion and charge > the cops? Sorry, the video cuts both was when you sit and watch it start to > finish. > > I have to agree with you... the police may have carried it a bit too far but Rodney King was no angel either. And I don't think ANY guilty verdicts should have been returned. I'm sure you know why they handed down guilty verdicts on two of the officers. It's quite simple really, it was a compromise to avoid rioting in the places where minorities think it's right to riot. I hate to say this, but I would have liked to see them riot with everyone prepared. It would be open season if your skin was even slightly brown. Hey, my motto is, you don't fuck with me or my stuff and you don't get killed. It's just that simple. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- -------------------------- " 8941,3,"From: perry@wswiop15.win.tue.nl (Perry Egelmeers) Subject: Re: FUNET.FI Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: wswiop15.win.tue.nl artieb@vnet.IBM.COM writes: > I saw a posting earlier that refered to FUNET.FI directory /pub/msdos >however, when I log on to FUNET.FI I cant even find the ""pub"" directory >let alone the ""msdos"" directory !!!! Can someone tell me what I'm doing >wrong?? Perhaps you should try nic.funet.fi instead of funet.fi ??!?!? nic.funet.fi is THE biggest (?) ftp site from Europe, but the stuff available there should (?) also be available at the other site of the ""big pool"". Perry Egelmeers " 8942,12,"From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Originator: sehari@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa. Lines: 55 In <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: >In article sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >>--- >> >>I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how >>effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? >> >> With highest regards, >> Babak Sehari. > Uh oh... > Umm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve >modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c. > All of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have >been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new >ways to ""crack"" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact >is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or >less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked. > I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not >impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good >one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying >to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, >assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, >legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of >files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy >protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for >practical applications, and are merely curious? > Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I >can. > Incidentally, the ""Uh oh..."" at the top is indicative of the dread >anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels >when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with >dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it >(from one side or the other.) >Matt I have written a program and I want to market it. I would like certain degree of protection, since my main custmers are individuals and not the cooperations. I know laser hole burning method, and hardware key method, however, my software is going to cost only $15.00, so I can not afford that. Also, at this low price I can not afford people make too many copy of my software. Well, I guess say upto %20 illigal copying is ok by me. However, I do not want someone to get a copy of PCTools and copy my software. Off course, I never meant to forbid the true hackers from copying, since they can develope a better program anyway. With highest regards, Babak Sehari. -- " 8943,11,"From: sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: frumious-bandersnatch.mit.edu Also note (from and ): % whois -h rs.internic.net tis-dom Trusted Information Systems, Inc. (TIS-DOM) 3060 Washington Road, Route 97 Glenwood, MD 21738 Domain Name: TIS.COM Administrative Contact: Walker, Stephen T. (STW3) walker@TIS.COM (301) 854-6889 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Dalva, David I. (DID1) dave@TIS.COM (301) 854-6889 Record last updated on 02-Jul-92. Domain servers in listed order: TIS.COM 192.33.112.100 LA.TIS.COM 192.5.49.8 And ""dockmaster"" is an infamous address ... -- Seth Finkelstein sethf@athena.mit.edu ""The road to Hell is paved with good intentions"" " 8944,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 62 In article <93105.165359U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >In article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: >>>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >>>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >>>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. >> >>Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to >>do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; >>Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the >>outside.) > >Excuse me but I do know what I safety is supposed to do. Kratz comments above show otherwise. >It's basic purpose - not to let the gun fire until you're ready. Bingo - now the question is, does the Glock's qualify? Let's see the evidence that Kratz uses. >Christ, I've known that since I had my first Crosman air gun. You don't >know me so don't make assumptions about what I know and don't know. But first an aside. Having an air gun proves nothing. Moreover, my comments are based on what Kratz writes. He's free to argue that he babbles in text but actually knows something off-line. >>A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's >>what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go >>off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, >>it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. > >From the things I have read/heard Glocks are always knocked because of the >trigger safety. They are supposedly harder to learn to use properly. Harder than what? I note that almost all revolvers work the same way, so it can't be ""harder than revolvers"". >Every article that I have read can't be wrong about the damn thing. Sure they can. (Moreover, we know now that Kratz' sample is unrepresentative.) We can look at the reasoning. It is basically ""these Glocks are dangerous because they're not like my 1911/S&W third generation."" Part of that is true, but since those same people don't claim that revolvers, which share the relevant property, are dangerous, we see that the argument fails. >me to quote my sources because I don't keep a ton of gun magazines and/or Why would I care? I'm not looking for more bogus reasoning. >rec.guns articles laying around. Boy, you can't make a simple statement on >here without someone getting right on your ass. One can make hundreds of simple statements without having anyone ""getting right on your ass"". One merely has to make accurate simple statements. Then you get ""attaboy""s by mail and publically. Accuracy is a severe burden, but most of us manage it. -andy -- " 8945,19,"From: dsoconne@quads.uchicago.edu (Daniel S OConnell) Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality Keywords: being liberal Reply-To: dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 32 > magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (COMPUTER DUDETTE) writes: >I just recently realized that I am bisexual, and also just recently returned to >religion, and have a good friend who has pointed out to me that homosexuality >is a sin in the bible. Well, I don't see how it could be considered a sin, First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, I think. In any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual as an ""immoral lifestyle choice"" >Also, I have always been a somewhat liberal feminist, and am pro-choice, and it >seems that being pro-choice and being religious don't mix either. I am told This is another misconception. You are not being told the whole story. My former minister is a lesbian, and I know personally and professionally several openly gay and lesbian ministers. I am a Unitarian-Universalist and like most others in my denomination, am pro-choice. You needn't go looking to the Unitarian Universalists (which is a liberal religion) for acceptance of your sexual identification and pro-choice views, however; there are many of us who believe in spirituality AND freedom of conscience. Good Luck on your journey! -- Daniel O'Connell Meadville/Lombard Theological School University of Chicago Divinity School " 8946,3,"From: gt5576b@prism.gatech.EDU (Joe Bleazard) Subject: References needed on Memory Management Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 15 I am doing a report on the topic of 'Advanced Memory Management' and need to know of some good references to cover this topic. It is an Analytical Chemistry class on Instrumental Analysis. So, as you could guess, it doesn't have to be an extremely thorough or extensive covering of the topic. Also, I am a Chemical Engineer and know some, but not too much about memory management. If anyone could help point me in a good direction I would be very thankful. Thanks in advance. Joe Bleazard gt5576b@hydra.gatech.edu School of Chemical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332-0100 " 8947,13,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 33 > I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to > be carcinogenic that ""it would not be legal in the U.S."". I think that > naturally occuring substances (excluding ""controlled"" substances) are > pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food, food additives > or other ""consumption"". It's only when the chemists concoct (sp?) an > ingredient that it falls under FDA regulations. Otherwise, if they > really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything. > How in the world do you suppose it's legal to ""consume"" tobacco products > (which probably SHOULD be banned)? No, there is something called the ""Delany Amendment"" which makes carcinogenic food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the 1950's, before stuff like mass spectrometry became available, which increased detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude. This is why things like cyclamates and Red #2 were banned. They are very weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats, so under the Act they are banned. This also applies to natural carcinogens. Some of you might remember a time back in the 1960's when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good, and never tasted so good again. That was the time when safrole was banned. This is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves. If it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days, someone would do it, in order to make money. The fact that no one does it indicates that enforcement is still in effect. An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as ""gumbo file'"". This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves. This is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany. Or maybe a special exemption was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats. " 8948,1,"From: jian@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jian Lu) Subject: Grayscale Printer Summary: image printer under $5000 Distribution: na Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 6 We are interested in purchasing a grayscale printer that offers a good resoltuion for grayscale medical images. Can anybody give me some recommendations on these products in the market, in particular, those under $5000? Thank for the advice. " 8949,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Players Overpaid? Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr5.231343.17894 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 42 There's a lot of whining about how much players are overpaid. I thought I'd put together an underpaid team that could win a pennant. I splurged and let four of the players earn as much as half a million dollars; the highest-paid player is Frank Thomas, at $900K. I cut some players, like Kenny Lofton, Chris Hoiles, Keith Mitchell, Tim Wakefield, and a bunch of pitchers, all of whom could have arguably made the team better at a cost of $1 million for the lot of them. The total team salary is $7,781,500, averaging slightly over $300K a player. If that's too steep, you can dump Thomas and Bagwell, replacing them with Paul Sorrento and a minimum wager to save a bit over a million dollars, and still have one of the best teams in the majors. p, Juan Guzman, 500 p, Mussina, 400 p, Castillo, 250 p, Eldred, 175 p, Rhodes, 155 p, Militello, 118 rp, Rojas, 300 rp, Beck, 250 rp, Melendez, 235 rp, Hernandez, 185 rp, Nied, 150 c, Rodriguez, 275 c, Piazza, 126 1b, Thomas, 900 1b, Bagwell, 655 2b, Knoblauch, 500 2b, Barberie, 190 3b, Gomez, 312.5 3b, Palmer, 250 ss, Listach, 350 ss, Pena, 170 lf, Gonzalez, 525 cf, Lankford, 290 rf, R.Sanders, 275 of, Plantier, 245 -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal " 8950,8,"From: ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg Subject: V-max handling request Lines: 5 Nntp-Posting-Host: v9001.ntu.ac.sg Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore hello there ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly comment on its handling . " 8951,5,"From: brent@vpnet.chi.il.us (Brent Hansen) Subject: Re: GUI Study Organization: Vpnet Public Access Distribution: usa Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr2.203400.15357@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c2xjfa@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (James F Allman III) writes: > >> >> > I'm doing a study on what the following type of users would like to >> > have on a Unix Manager. Basically I'm looking for the Unix commands >> > and features on Motif window interface which will help the different >> > type of users make use of Unix. >> ... >> Personally, I can't stand Motif. I also can't stand GUI Command Line! >> interfaces for things like access to the commands I know Command Line! >> and love. I think you'll find that experience [sic] users Command Line! >> >> der Mouse >> ... >A year and a half ago I felt the same way. The I started using >gooyies. Give me the command line when something out of the ordinary >needs done, and the gooy when I am doing normal or repative work. >Note that most operations are repetative. Hackers love CLs because > ... What I like about GUI's: - The ability to view and manipulate a group of objects, files, text, directories, etc. and and manipulate them in some way such as delete, copy, paste, rename ... - The ability to have several applications / screens visible and accessable at the same time. - Being able to do a standard set of functions easily and quickly on an unfamiliar operating system. I am familiar with the command lines of several operating systems but occasionally I will have to some work on a system that I almost never use. If it has a GUI, I can usually accomplish what I want to do fairly easily, the command line on the other hand often is a long and painful experience. What I hate about GUI's: - Having to switch between the mouse and the keyboard. I guess I have a strong one-handed preference. I like to use a computer with one hand and use the other for holding something like a piece of paper of a mug of tea. I have configured my favorite editor so that most of the editing functions can be done with one hand such as navigating, cutting, pasting, searching, opening and saving files, etc. The main thing I need to use both hands for is entering text. I guess I need to get one of those mice with, like, 20 buttons or something and then I will have the best of both worlds. Brent " 8952,11,"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: More technical details Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 107 In article <1993Apr19.134346.2620@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: >Here are some corrections and additions to Hellman's note, courtesy of >Dorothy Denning. Again, this is reposted with permission. > >Two requests -- first, note the roles of S1 and S2. It appears to me >and others that anyone who knows those values can construct the unit >key. And the nature of the generation process for K1 and K2 is such >that neither can be produced alone. Thus, the scheme cannot be >implemented such that one repository generates the first half-key, and >another generates the second. *That* is ominous. > >Second -- these postings are not revealed scripture, nor are they >carefully-crafted spook postings. Don't attempt to draw out hidden >meanings (as opposed to, say, the official announcements of Clipper). >Leave Denning out of this; given Hellman's record of opposition to DES, >which goes back before some folks on this newsgroup knew how to read, I >don't think you can impugn his integrity. > >Oh yeah -- the folks who invented Clipper aren't stupid. If you think >something doesn't make sense, it's almost certainly because you don't >understand their goals. > This is an addition (posted with permission) to some tech. details of cliper. They enligthen ??? the use of S1 and S2 for keygeneration. ------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:51:57 EDT From: denning@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip I just had another conversation with NSA to clarify some of the features of Clipper. Please feel free to distribute this and my other messages on Clipper. The name of the encryption algorithm is ""Skipjack."" Martin Hellman had written and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK producing E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} To which I responded: My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the ""family key"") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by law enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I was correct in that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK. However, Skipjack being a single-key system, there is, of course, not a separate decrypt key for the family key SK. The unit key, also called the ""chip key,"" is generated from the serial number N as follows. Let N1, N2, and N3 be 64 bit blocks derived from N, and let S1 and S2 be two 80-bit seeds used as keys. Compute the 64-bit block R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] (Note that this is like using the DES in triple encryption mode with two keys.) Similarly compute blocks R2 and R3 starting with N2 and N3. (I'm unlear about whether the keys S1 and S2 change. The fact that they're called seeds suggests they might.) Then R1, R2, and R3 are concatenated together giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits form K1 and the next 80 bits form K2. The remaining bits are discarded. The seeds S1 and S2 do not change. The whole process is performed on a laptop computer, and S1 and S2 are supplied by two independent people so that no one person knows both. The same S1 and S2 are used during an entire ""programming session"" to generate keys for a stream of serial numbers. Everything is discarded at the end (the computer could be thrown out if desired). The serial number is 30 bits and the values N1, N2, and N3 are formed by padding the serial number with fixed 34-bit blocks (separate padding for each value). The resulting keys K1 and K2 are output onto separate floppy disks, paired up with their serial number. Each pair is stored in a separate file. The floppy disks are taken away by two separate people on behalf of the two escrow agencies. Dorothy Denning denning@cs.georgetown.edu -------------------------------------------------------- I am sure more technical detail will be known when time goes by. Please remark, that in posting this, I do not automatically agree with it's contents and implications. So don't swamp my mailbox :-) I just think this is an valuable addition to the less than technical discussion that is rising here. And, no, I don't mind if you call S1 and S2 'backdoor', as I could imagine the key-generation process working without these seeds and the dependency of K1,K2 from the Serial-Number. Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F " 8953,1,"From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >>This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast >>polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. > > A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right now, which is very slow. //Lucas. " 8954,3,"From: ph12hucg@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Carsten Grammes) Subject: **** WANNA SEX !!! **** Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de Hello, you're not quite sure if that's a joke or not? Anyway you read the article! --> You're right!!! (1. The header (only this) IS a joke, 2. it's worth reading) Perhaps some of you know my regular 'List of IDE Harddisk specs' where I give all available information about IDE Harddrives. I am strongly interested in contacting the manufacturers directly. But I have no money for overseas calls, so I need HARDDISK MANUFACTURER's EMAIL ADDRESSES Please help if you can! Carsten. ********************************************************************* Carsten Grammes Internet: ph12hucg@rz.uni-sb.de Experimental Physics Voicenet: 49-681-302-3032 Universitaet Saarbruecken Faxnet : 49-681-302-4316 6600 Saarbruecken Germany ********************************************************************* " 8955,2,"From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) Subject: Summary: ATI Graphics Ultra Questions etc Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 147 To those interested in the new ATI Ultra Cards: I had posted some questions regarding the new ATI Ultra Pro cards and had asked confirmation of some opinions. This message is a summary of the responses. Thanks to all of you that replied. > 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM. a) The higher memory limits apply to ISA cards only, as far as I know. The VLB and EISA version should have no problems. b) I'm pretty sure from my experience that the ISA version doesn't work in systems with over 16M Ram. There is supposed to be way of switching the ""memory aperture"" feature off to prevent this, but apparently it doesn't work. I posted some ""help me"" messages on the net and people indicated that the EISA card didn't have this problem. c) FALSE d) The VLB card, which I have, allows you to set memory aperture over 32M by using their configuration software. No messing with jumpers necessary. The 32M problem is probably valid only for ISA cards. > 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches > set but it is much slower. a) Again, the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124M RAM (EISA and VLB) or 12 M (ISA). 32M should not be a problem for you. b) Dunno. c) Depends on the bus. YES if ISA, NO if EISA or Localbus > 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes. a) Nope. I can use 640x480 at 72hz, 24-bit and 800x600 at 70hz, 24-bit, all non-interlaced. b) Yes - According to PC Magazine, they've tested a local bus version that does 1024x768 in 24-bit which may or may not be interlaced. c) Not for the Pro. Sometimes for the Plus. Some modes may run only interlaced on certain monitors. This has nothing to do with 24 bits ... only with screen size. Note that for 24 bit color and Windows you MUST have 2 megs, memory size calculations notwithstanding. > 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many > cases. a) They aren't perfect, but are much improved. I don't recall the last time which I had to leave mach 32 mode (ATI GUP mode) and switch to 8514 or VGA mode due to software incompatibility. b) True. Many people recommended going back to Build 55 or 54. c) They appear to be excellent, but have a few bugs. For example, certain graphs with dashed lines in Mathcad 3.1 do not print correctly, though they do display OK on the screen. They are about par for fancy cards .. other accelerated cards also have bugs. d) Overall, I like the card, even if driver performance is somewhat less than satisfactory. I am running the 1024*768 16 Color mode as that is all my NT driver for October NT version seems to allow. I will say this that Color performance is not quite as nice as a Diamond Stealth VRAM, but I have not been able to try out a lot of the options on the old driver. > 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money. a) It's quite fast, but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate. b) Yes - I'll admit it was very very fast in 16-bit mode, which is what I wanted to use it for. Too bad it crashed (in many different ways) every 20 minutes or so... c) Depends on many many things. > 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) a) I like it. b) Well - PC Magazine seems to think it is. c) Yes, this appears to be true :-) d) As to greatest thing since sliced bread, I doubt it. Better cards are coming out. Who knows, maybe ATI will come out with something faster yet. Several reviews I read rated one Pycon Winjet card as a superior performer at a cheaper price except for availability of drivers, which Pycon was developing at that time. (PC Magazine, about two months or so back) Overall, the card has a lot of potential, but you have to be able to use it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the end of the questions. These were the most discussed items in this group so I thought they needed confirmation. For those of you not familiar with the card I have included a summary here (from an ATI ad since I don't have an Graphics Ultra yet.) ATI Graphics Ultra Plus: - Accelerated 1024x768 at 65K colours - True colour(16.7M) at 800x600 - Multimedia Video Acceleration (for Indeo Video,RLE and Video 1 compressed) Stretch full motion video windows to full size - Fast VGA - Includes 3 button mouse (ISA versions only) - Anti-aliased fonts (ed. avail in 16 colour mode only,I think) - Real-time pan and zoom across large virtual windows desktop - Around a 1/2 length card size - Priced from $400 U.S. ATI Graphics Ultra Pro: - Everything in Graphics Ultra Plus - Faster performance with VRAMS - Accelerated 1280x1024 at 256 colours 74Hz non-interlaced - Available in ISA, EISA and Microchannel - Priced from $600 U.S. ATI Technologies (416) 756-0718 I hope this summary can be of use to you. Al P.S. I am not associated with ATI Technologies in any way other than having used their previous ATI Ultra card for a few years (which I generally liked). -- Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew " 8956,8,"From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) Subject: DOT Tire date codes Nntp-Posting-Host: mbunix.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma. Distribution: usa Lines: 25 I just mailed this: I noticed a 2-3in long cut in the tread of the rear tire on my VFR. The cut is only about as deep as the tread block, and looks like it only scratched the rubber at the base, but the weird thing is, it's way over on the edge where I haven't scuffed the tire in yet. My questions are: 1. How dangerous is this, should I replace the tire right away? and 2. If I should, since the cut is on the unscuffed portion and the tire only has about 330 mi on it, what do you think my chances of getting it replaced under warranty are? To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced. Does anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy? Thanks, Dean -- | Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714 | DoD #207 AMA #573534 | | The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 | KotNML / KotB | | ""The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"" | '92 VFR750F | | -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993 | '88 Bianchi Limited | " 8957,2,"From: ffritze@hpwad.WAD.HP.COM (Fromut Fritze) Subject: Re: Anyone know stacker's email address? Organization: Hewlett-Packard Waldbronn, Germany Lines: 15 > Does anybody know if stacker has a e-mail address and if > so, what it is? I know they have a BBS and something on > compuserve, but I'm hoping someone know's their e-mail > address. John White from STAC Electronics can be reached at compuserv as 72370,1005. For me 72370.1005@compuserve.com would as email address work from Internet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ internet: ffritze@hpwbe007.wad.hp.com phone: Germany 7243 602296 address: Fromut FRITZE, Waldbronn Analytic Division R&D, Hewlett Packard Str, D 7517 Waldbronn 2, Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 8958,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Goalie mask poll Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <93743@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd) >Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint > Glenn Healy (NYI), Toy Espo (???), Gilles Gratton (???), ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is this Tony Esposito? If memory serves me correctly, Chicago. God I hope I am right, otherwise I will never hear the end of it. ;-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""A cow is not a vegetarian dish."" -- Keith Keller, 1993 " 8959,12,"From: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) Subject: How do DI boxes work? Organization: ZikZak Corporation Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oconnor.wpi.edu I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's ""Electronic Projects for Musicians"" book (which I am having a hell of a time tracking down...)? Thanks a lot! .s. PS: Post or email. I read this group... -- - lancer@wpi.wpi.edu - - 0{{ MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: - - Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld - " 8960,7,"From: dbak@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Douglas Baker) Subject: Performance of new Mustangs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Article-I.D.: galileo.1993Apr6.170901.7684 Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: elm.lle.rochester.edu Does anyone know the performance ratings for a 1992 or 1993 5.0 L HO Mustang LX like the 0-60 time 1/4 mile and top end ??? Also can you tell me which magazine where these #'s come from so I can look them up if possable ???? If you could the year and month and eveen page # if you have it. Thanks, Doug " 8961,15,From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Huh? Whuzzat? Lines: 12 Sheila Patterson writes: > >I always suspected that I was human too :-) It is the desire to be like >Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and >other christians. ... I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side). Jeff Johnson jcj@tellabs.com 8962,5,"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Program argument: geometry Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I have a question regarding the processing of program arguments such as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option, I'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there is some predefined function that will do this for me? Thanks for any info --> Robret " 8963,4,"From: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD) Subject: Re: Can I get more than 640 x 480 on 13"" monitor? Nntp-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu Lines: 12 In article , carsona@fraser.sfu.ca (Debra Carson) writes: >Would a virtual screen of larger size be of use to you? I have been >using Stepping Out v?.? for some time. It still is working now on a >PowerBook with System 7.1, minor problem with menubar icons at right edge. What's the latest version of Stepping Out that works ok with S7.1? -- Denis " 8964,14,"From: bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance) Subject: TRUE ""GLOBE"", Who makes it? Organization: (N.) To be organized. But that's not important right now..... Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] It has been known for quite a while that the earth is actually more pear shaped than globular/spherical. Does anyone make a ""globe"" that is accurate as to actual shape, landmass configuration/Long/Lat lines etc.? Thanks in advance. -- bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance), Bothell, WA rwing!xpresso!bill You listen when I xpresso, I listen When uuxpresso.......:-) " 8965,12,"Subject: Re: Picking up cable tv with an aerial. From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 11 Great, the first advantage of cheap coax, I've ever heard. Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) -- Robert Ganter /------------\ Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | Basel/Switzerland \------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU " 8966,7,"From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronco.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 27 In article , mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) writes: > In <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: > > >> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 >> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a >> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over >> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab >> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I >> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full >> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. >> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. > >> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? > > I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. ___________________________________________________________________________ ***** * * From the e-net desk of: Rick Colombo CD/DCD/DSG * * * ** * Fermi Nat'l Acc'l Lab 708-840-8225 Fermilab * * * *** * * * P.O. Box 500 MS 369 Feynman Computer Center ***** * * * ** Batavia, Ill. USA 60510 Colombo@fnal.fnal.gov * * ***** * Of course I speak for: Fermilab, Congress and the President... NOT!!! " 8967,9,"From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 60 Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) says: >In article <1qr05cINNpel@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> stlouis@unixg.ubc.ca (Phill St. Louis) writes: >>Jack Morris' starts have been like his playoff starts. He has an ERA of >>17.18 in his 3 starts. >> >>What does luck have to do with a 17.18 ERA? He was lucky to get 21 wins >>last year, but he had an ERA of 4.04 with a team that scored a lot of >>runs. I would be happy if he could still pitch with an ERA of 4.04, but >>he seems to be suffering from a total callapse. > >Bad pitchers are more prone to this total collapse than good pitchers. >They are closer to the chasm of mediocrity. The smallest push and >they completely lose their grip. > But good ones can collapse somewhat, then come back the next year. Burleigh Grimes went from 20+ wins and an ERA of 3 or so in '24 to 13-19 and an ERA around 4 in '25. He pitched well for several more years. Carlton won 13 and lost 20 the year after his 27-10 record. (Source: Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract.) And let's not forget John Tudor, who started 1-5 and finished 21-6 in 1985. He had a pretty bad ERA when you take Busch Stadium into account at the start of the season. >>He gave up early runs >>in his '92 games and would get stronger as the game went on, thus giving >>up few runs in the last going. He stays in the game and gets the win. >>How else would he have pitched so many innings? > >Yup. He used to dig himself a hole, then get it together and stick in >until the run support eventually came through. This year he just >hasn't gotten it together. If I recall, he had a 4.50 ERA in the 1st half and a 3.50 ERA in the 2nd half of last year. Hmmm, 21 runs in 11 innings. Suppose he starts 30 more games, and winds up w/200 innings pitched. If he allows 4 runs a game in the next 189 innings, he'll have a 4.75 ERA or so at the end of the year. (I think I have his totals right.) This is going to be hard to come back from. >>Jack may be finished. It is time to retire or be released, if he does >>not return to his form from last year. > >His $5 million contract is an awful lot to eat! My 1st hunch is that Morris is very gutsy, and that he may be pitching through an injury and not telling anyone. My 2nd guess is that he will be banished to the bullpen the remainder of the season after a few more starts. (Perhaps when Stewart comes off the DL? Or will Danny Cox, who went 3 or 4 scoreless innings against the Tribe today, start for Morris? He looks like a really good one. Gaston is scrambling to find starters, I'd imagine. Luckily, the Jays have a very good offense.) I don't think they would dare release him before the end of the year. He'll just be replaced by Stewart or Cox. -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: ""Mommys and Daddys & other Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"" " 8968,7,"From: jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen) Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Lines: 64 boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) writes: >740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I >believe the Beetle corners better. >I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. >I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car. >Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something >from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go >for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts. Oh, well... I have to admit that the most disgusting feature of Volvo's is their marketing. It looks like Volvo uses something like ""Do you dare to risk your family in any car?"" attitude, which is quite annoying in the long run. But now Volvo has produced a new good car, the Volvo 850. Front drive, 2.4 L 20 valves motor, completely new chassis etc. Even the British magazine ""CAR"" liked it (and believe me, that is quite much for a Volvo). And the American magazine ""Road & Track"" said that ""This is not your uncle Olof's car"", and in a positive sense. But in any case, I'd still like to own the 960 estate. Strong, tank-like chassis, 3.0L inline six, rear drive. :-) :-) BTW, the only car drivers who have blocked me are Land Rover or Jaguar drivers... :-) :-) :-) :-) What? You mean what I drive? A cheapo Japanese (a Toyota) of course, I do not have money for a *car*. (like BMW, Merc, Jaguar, Saab 9000, Volvo 850 (or 960), etc) If I had the money, I would have *bad* problems deciding which one to buy :-) :-) :-). " 8969,7,"From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 37 tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes: >Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every >once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water >under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually happens >after a good thunder storm. A few Qs: >1) Is this a common problem? Yes this is a common problem. The leaks occur through the seal of the taillights. Unfortunately, Ford has this with Most Probes and does not have a recall for it. Very dissatisfying to say the least. >2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch? There is no drain holes that I know of. I used a margine tub to drain it Regretably I waited three months as I was short cash and they wouldn't fix it under warrantee. Then I paid dearly as it messed up my electrical system including a balance/motion sensor which is located near the fuel shutoff in the trunk. This resulted in my passive restraints malfunctioning--they would not retract. So I ended up paying about $200 to have the sensor replaced; $90 to have the tail lights resealed (they firts replaced the hatch gasket which I insisted was not the problem so they did not charge me for that when I proved to be right.); not to mention the water damage to the covers to the trunk/spare com partment and algae in the taillights. very annoying. Don't let the water problem go--get it fixed or you'll pay more later. Considering how common a problem it is I hope every one complains to Ford. >Thanks for any info. >Tom >-- >Tom Szeto ""No! Not those peanuts! The ones on the >tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com bottom....ggnuuaahuuhh"" >#include - Homer Simpson " 8970,1,"From: chert@dungeon.cirr.com (Chert Pellett) Subject: Epson (HPGL) 4 pen plotter W/340 Pens $500 / B.O. Summary: HP compataible Keywords: Plotter HP Epson Organization: Dis- Distribution: usa Lines: 30 Greetings, I have an Epson HI-80 4 pen plotter forsale. It emulates an HP 7570 or 7574 - I'm not sure which. It has an option board on it that does the emulation. It has a serial interface with Hardware handshake. I also have 340 Pens for it as follows: 10 packs of 4 Black Oil based, 16 packs of 4 Red,Green, Blue, and Black pens, 22 packs of 4 Aqueous Black, 7 packs of 4 Aqueous R,G,Blue,Black, 1 pack of 6 Aqueous Multi color pens, and 114 assorted non-packaged pens mostly colored. The plotter is used. I have tested it using the Windows drivers for HP 7570 and HP 7574 and both worked fine. It accepts either A or B sized paper. (8.5 x 11 or 11x17). I figure that the plotter is worth about $300 and the pens are worth at least another $200 more.. One thing is certain, you won't need to purchase any pens for quite a while... All of the packaged pens were sealed so they are all still fresh. The rest were capped and seem to function as well. I'd be willing to sell the pens seperate if anyone is interested in just them. I'm selling it because I got a HP LaserJet and I don't need color. I'd like $350 or best offer... -Chert -- Chert Pellett - chert@dungeon.cirr.com || chert@dungeon.lonestar.org PANIC: The cat is nibbling on the power cord! " 8971,16,"From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 39 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: : What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of : had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the : compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Initial assault on the ""compound"" ( more like a wooden farm house if it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it properly! QUESTION AUTHORITY! : With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed : more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is : the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look : at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country : of ours. : : With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with Show me some evidenence instead of repeating what the FBI/ATF told you. : mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few : women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn : to death 51 days later. Then I'm sure you won't mind if the ATF or the DEA raid your house someday on a bogus informant tip. So what if they killed/wounded your family ""accidentally"" during the raid, it's just a fair price to pay for law and order in this country, right? Answer this question honestly before making anymore ignorant statements! What is even more disturbing than out of control government agencies are citizens who allow them to be irresponsible. --F. Chiu " 8972,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 104 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) / 10:34 am Apr 14, 1993 / This isn't rec.guns, so maybe this is getting a bet technical, but I can't resist.... > - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull > the trigger again. Sometimes..... Depends on WHY it misfired.... > - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first, > but will fire merely by pulling the trigger. I can't imagine doing much combat type shooting single action..... > - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again > to rotate to the next round. Assuming the cylinder WILL rotate.... > - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the > hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an > easy motion, even one handed. Never hurts to err on the side of safety, but if you've got one of those 'new fangled' hammer blocks or transfer bar safeties, it's unnecessarily redundant. I'd rather have the extra round. > - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines > on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users. Quite true. Speed loaders are a little less convenient to pack around than magazines though. > - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell > first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often > lost as you realize ""hey, it's jammed!"" before starting to do anything > about clearing it. True, but this is a training function. > - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round > and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the > chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider > this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed > of employment as a revolver. Cocked and locked for single actions or hammer down on double actions are the only carry modes that make sense... The 80 series Colt's for example are quite safe to carry this way. > - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of > operation of many of them requires more training. Agreed. Now that I've shot off my mouth a bit, let me back some of this up. It is true that a simple misfire on a revolver doesn't cost you much. On the other hand, I've had all sorts of interesting things happen over the years. For example, I've had FACTORY ammunition that has had high primers. A high primer will tie your revolver up somewhere from seconds to minutes while you try to pound the action open to clear the problem. An auto? Jack the slide and continue. I've had bullets come out of the case, keeping the cylinder from turning, see clearing paragraph above. About the WORST that can happen with a semi auto is a double feed. This can be cleared in seconds. Most revolvers are more 'fragile' then semi auto's. There are all sorts of close tolerance parts and fitting involved. Dropping the gun, or a blow to the gun or all sorts of things can take it out of action. Many of the problems that can be cured on the spot with a (quality) semi auto take a gun smith for a revolver. In short a revolver MAY be less likely to malfunction, but as a rule when it does, you're out of the fight. The majority of malfunctions that occur with semi autos does not fall into that category. Vincint makes many good points in this post, but leaves off the opposing view of most of them. A real good starting place is Ayoob's ""The Semi Auto Pistol for Police and Self Defense."" In general, I'd agree, the revolver is an excellent first gun and self defense weapon for somebody that does not have the time, and inclination that is necessary for the training and practice needed to use a semi auto effectively as a self defense arm. Most cops are notoriously indifferent to firearms. If the department isn't going to train them, they aren't going to take the time on their own. There is no doubt that training is an issue. The amount of training required for effective use of a semi auto is probably several times that of a revolver. Many cops don't bother. For myself, I'd hate to be limited to one or the other. I'd rather pick what fits better with my personal inclination, what I'm wearing that day and so on. Like the Moderator on rec.guns says, buy em all! That said, I have to admit that often my advice to people thinking of buying their first defense arm is (right after taking a class) get a Ruger or Smith revolver.... (Sorry Colt fans. Colt revolvers are ok too!) If this post had gone the other way, I'd be arguing for revolvers. :-) Rick. " 8973,1,"From: hahm@fossi.hab-weimar.de (peter hahm) Subject: Radiosity Keywords: radiosity, raytracing, rendering Nntp-Posting-Host: fossi.hab-weimar.de Organization: Hochschule fuer Architektur und Bauwesen Weimar, Germany Lines: 17 RADIOSITY SOURCES WANTED !!! ============================ When I read the comp.graphics group, I never found something about radiosity. Is there anybody interested in out there? I would be glad to hear from somebody. I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I have already read common literature, e. g.Foley ... . I think little examples could help me to understand how radiosity works. Common languages ( C, C++, Pascal) prefered. I hope you will help me! Yours Peter " 8974,16,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 15 In thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes: > 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or > talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY > 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. What does this from NORWAY think he's doing telling us how to run the place? I wanna know... somebody please 'splain. Guess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich? Give you a hint, it wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it.... Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) wearer of asbestos underoos " 8975,15,"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) Subject: Latest on Branch Davidians Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 28 Most of you will have probably seen the news by the time you read this, but the Branch Davidian compound is no more. This morning about 6:00, the feds punched holes in the compound walls by using a tank. They then started using non-lethal tear gas. Shortly after noon, 2 cult members were seen setting fire to the compound. So far, about 20-30 people have been seen outside the compound. The fate of the other 60 or 70 people is unknown, neither is the fate of the 17 children that were inside. The compound did burn to the ground. Koresh, who at times has claimed to be the Messiah, but then backed off and only claimed to be a prophet, had promised several times to come out peacefully if his demands were met. First, he demanded that his message be broadcast on the radio, which it was, but he didn't come out. He claimed to be waiting for a message from God. Finally, he said that God told him that he needed to decipher the mystery of the 7 seals in Revelation, and when he was finished, he'd come out. He finished the first one, but didn't do any more work that anyone knows of since then. The federal agents did warn him that if they didn't come out, they would be subjected to tear gas. I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. I think it underscores the importance of putting you faith only in things that are eternal and knowing for yourself what the Scriptures say and what they mean, instead of relying on others to do it for you, even if those others are learned and mean well. Paul Conditt " 8976,10,"From: jae2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jason Ehas) Subject: Re: Giveaways Organization: Home of 1984 NCAA hockey champs Lines: 43 In article <1qi44l$kqr@access.digex.net>, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) wrote: > > > John P. Curcio (jpc@philabs.philips.com) responded to my drivel: > > >steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes: > > > >>I still am surprised that no one has tried giving away the goodies at the end > >>of the game. The two problems with that, of course, are that you would want > >>to make sure the first people in the building would be assured of getting > >>them (probably redeemable vouchers), and that the building managers want to > >>avoid at all costs delaying people as they leave the building, if, for > >>instance, the goodies are given to people as they exit. > > > >I went to the New Jersey Devils/Carvel Ice Cream Puck Night (tm) last year to > >see the beloved Bruins play. The pucks were given out at the end of the game. > >I could just imagine what would have happened late in the third if the Bruins > >were winning.... > > It figures, after I posted the first article, I found out that the Whalers are > going to be using coupons for the the giveaway on Friday Night. I believe that > is is the ""Some Big Corporation (Probably a Bank) Flying Disk Night."" I think > that we could all see the potential for danger here... > > >|> All in all, I have seen a whole bunch of giveaways land on the ice, and it > >|> never ceases to amuse me. I'm just thankful for the players that no one has > >|> yet to sponsor 'Lead Pipe Night' at any arenas... > > > >That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS > >could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough? > > Naah, it'd probably bounce off of Jay Caufield. > > -SG I was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country station sponsored a kazoo giveaway. After a particularly bad call by the underexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice. I thought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully unhappy. Jason " 8977,1,"From: cavalier@blkbox.COM (Bill Egan) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 ? Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.houston.pub-ip.psi.net Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Lines: 13 jgreen@amber (Joe Green) writes: >> > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip? >Do you have Weitek's address/phone number? I'd like to get some information >about this chip. Yes, I am very interested in this chip. Please follow up or email. -- Bill Egan Cavalier Graphics Houston, Texas Email: cavalier@blkbox.com " 8978,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Environmentalism and paganism Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 12 I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 8979,7,"From: wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie) Subject: Re: Curious about the Porsche I drove Organization: Rockwell International Lines: 43 ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes: >In a previous article, wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie) says: >>takaharu@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani) writes: >>>In article <1993Apr13.160535.20123@progress.com>, damelio@progress.COM >>>(Stephen D'Amelio) wrote: I wrote: >This is consistent with the pre-'74 911. The engine before that was a 2.2 >litre (or less, depending on how early you go), and got its power at high >revs (starting slowly at about 3K, and jumping up at around 5K) with a >narrow band. The '74 was a 3 litre and had a lot of smog equipment. If >you got much power at all, it'd be better distributed through the rev >range. >Bzzzt. Wrong answer. It really depends on whether you are talking model >year or date of manufacture. For instance, mine was a '67, but was >manufactured in August of '66. Prior to 1970 all 911s were 2.o liter. For >the '70 and '71 model years they were 2.2 liter. for the 1972 and 1973 >model years they were 2.4 liter _EXCEPT_ for the '73 Carerra RS which was a >2.7 liter. The '74 and later years were easily identified by the new 5 mph >bumpers. Most models in the '74 year were 2.7 lietsr _EXCEPT_ the Carerra >RSR which was a 3.0 liter (US Carerras from '74 were 2.7 liter models). In >'78 they went to 3.0 liter and there was only a single model, the SC (think >of it as a cross between the S and the Carerra models). note all the above >are based on _MODEL_ year, not date of manufacture. I stand corrected. This is all from memory, mind you :-) >As for the rev happy behavior, the earlier cars are even more prone to >this. The 2.4 liter cars used low compression engines, and suffered a bit >in this regard. The early 3.0 liter and 2.7 liter engines also got a good >dose of smog gear as well. The 2.0 and 2.2 liter engines were far and away >the quickest revvers of the lot. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. No, REALLY! -- Wade Guthrie | Trying to program on MS-DOS is like trying wade@nb.rockwell.com | to shave with a chain-saw. Me be not speaking for the Rock. | " 8980,19,"From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) says: >In article <1qb726$j9d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu< cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >< > >So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. Refer to John 14:2. >-- >Tom Albrecht > -- ------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------- --------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --------- " 8981,3,"From: august1@server.uwindsor.ca (AUGUSTYN ROBERT ) Subject: Address interliving? Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 4 What is address interliving? and memmory modules interliving? Thanks in advance for the info. Robert. " 8982,1,"From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) Subject: Re: Distance between two Bezier curves Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL. Lines: 14 pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen) writes: > Suppose two cubic Bezier curves (control points V1,..,V4 and W1,..,W4) > which have equal first and last control points (V1 = W1, V4 = W4). How do I > get upper bound for distance between these curves. Which distance? The distance between one point (t = ti) on the first curve and a point on the other curve with same parameter (u = ti)? > > Any references appreciated. Thanks in anvance. > > Pekka Siltanen " 8983,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 21 In article <1r46ofINNdku@gap.caltech.edu> palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes: >>orbiting billboard... > >I would just like to point out that it is much easier to place an >object at orbital altitude than it is to place it with orbital >velocity. For a target 300 km above the surface of Earth, >you need a delta-v of 2.5 km/s. Assuming that rockets with specific >impulses of 300 seconds are easy to produce, a rocket with a dry >weight of 50 kg would require only about 65 kg of fuel+oxidizer... Unfortunately, if you launch this from the US (or are a US citizen), you will need a launch permit from the Office of Commercial Space Transportation, and I think it may be difficult to get a permit for an antisatellite weapon... :-) The threshold at which OCST licensing kicks in is roughly 100km. (The rules are actually phrased in more complex ways, but that is the result.) -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 8984,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: conf:mideast.levant Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500358:000:1967 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 14:55:00 1993 Lines: 47 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: conf:mideast.levant Rights of children violated by the State of Israel (selected articles of the IV Geneva Convention of 1949) ------------------------------------------------------------- Article 31: No physical or moral coercion shall be exercised against protected persons, in particular to obtain information from them or from third parties. Article 32: The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishment (...) but also to any other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or military agents. Article 33: No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Article 34: Taking of hostages is prohibited. Article 49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. Article 50: The Occupying Power shall, with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions devoted to the care and education of children. Article 53: Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations. PS: It is obvious that violations of the above articles are also violations of the International Convention of the Rights of the Child. " 8985,19,"From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) Subject: Re: Albert Sabin Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: > Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring > to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if > you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and > well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, > who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts > are very much in harmony. Bill, I find it rather remarkable that you managed to zero in on what is probably the weakest evidence. What is probably the most convincing is the anti-Christian literature put out by the Jewish councils in the second century. There are enormous quantities of detailed arguments against Christianity, many of the arguments still being used today. Despite volumes of tracts attacking Christianity, not one denies the existance of Jesus, only of his activities. I find this considerably more compelling than Josephus or the harmony of the gospels (especially considering that Matthew and Luke probably used Mark as a source). | __L__ -|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub | | o | kv07@iastate.edu |/ `---' Iowa State University /| ___ Math Department | |___| 400 Carver Hall | |___| Ames, IA 50011 J _____ " 8986,1,"From: d91-hes@tekn.hj.se (STEFAN HERMANSSON) Subject: re: Vesa on the Speedstar 24 Organization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc9_b109.et.hj.se Just posting to John Cormack. I wanted to tell you that there is a ""slight"" difference between Speedstar 24 and Speedstar 24X /Stefan " 8987,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Striato Nigral Degeneration Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <9303252134.AA09923@walrus.mvhs.edu> ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu ((Ken Todd)) writes: >I would like any information available on this rare disease. I understand >that an operation referred to as POLLIDOTOMY may be in order. Does anyone >know of a physician that performs this procedure. All responses will be >appreciated. Please respond via email to ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu It isn't that rare, actually. Many cases that are called Parkinson's Disease turn out on autopsy to be SND. It should be suspected in any case of Parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to L-dopa therapy. I don't believe pallidotomy will do much for SND. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 8988,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 33 : un021432@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: : >DUCATI3.UUE : >QUUNCD Ver. 1.4, by Theodore A. Kaldis. : >BEGIN--cut here--CUT HERE--Part 3 : >MG@NH)C1M+AV4)I;^**3NYR7,*(.H&""3V'!X12(&E+AFKIN0@APYT;C[#LI2T This GIF was GREAT!! I have it as the backdrop on my Apollo thingy and many people stop by and admire it. Of course I tell them that I did it myself.... It's far too much trouble to contact archive sites to get stuff like this, so if anybody else has any good GIFs, please, please don't hesitate to post them. Is the bra thing still going? -- Nick (the Idiot Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford No Bras M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 8989,19,"From: rkwmo@pukrs3.puk.ac.za (MNR M OOSTHUYSEN) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: PU vir CHO/PU for CHE Lines: 33 In article <9304141620.AA01443@dangermouse.mitre.org> jmeritt@mental.mitre.org writes: >Leviticus 21:9 >And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the >whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. >Deuteronomy 22:20-21 >...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall >bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of the >city shall stone her with stones that she die... >Deuteronomy 22:22 >If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall >both of them die... >Deuteronomy 22:23-24 >If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her >in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the >gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die... >Deuteronomy 22:25 >BUT if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, >and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. IF it were'nt for the sin of men, none of this killing would have been necesarry, He is KIND and LOVING, but also RIGHTEOUS, SIN MUST BE PUNISHED. Before Jesus, man had to take the sins on himself. But Jesus died and took it all upon Him, so now we also have a FORGIVING GOD. If He were not KIND and LOVING, there wouldn't have been any people left. " 8990,19,"From: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole) Subject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s. Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: The Society for the Preservation of Cruelty to Homophobes. Lines: 37 In <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes: >I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior >from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're- >The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought >that Catholics behaved better than this. > Please do not stoop to the >level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think >that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud, >insulting and overbearingly self-righteous. (Pleading mode on) Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a ""creation scientist""! I don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern Baptists, you would think that they were different religions! Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals! (Pleading mode off.) God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories...... -- ""Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq nyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."" --Yvan Jregzhyyre =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu " 8991,13,"From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: tuberculosis Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 In article <1993Mar25.085526.914@news.wesleyan.edu>, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes: |> |> But I'll be damned, his ""rights"" to be sick & to fail to treat his disease & to |> spread it all over the place were, indeed preserved. Happy? Several years ago I tried to commit a patient who was growing Salmonella out of his stool, blood, and an open ulcer for treatment. The idea was that the guy was a walking public health risk, and that forcing him to receive IV antibiotics for a few days was in the public interest. I will make a long story short by saying that the judge laughed at my idea, yelled at me for wasting his time, and let the guy go. I found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only MEDICAL (as oppsed to psychiatric) condition that one can be committed for, and this is because very specific laws were enacted many years ago regarding tb. I am certain these vary from state to state. Any legal experts out there to help us on this? -km " 8992,11,"From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip. LONG follow up. Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr20.030538.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: <> <> QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S <> TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE <> <> Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on <> a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation <> encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to <> decipher the message? <> <> A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a <> court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They <> would then present documentation of this authorization to <> the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and <> obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug <> smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are <> stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key <> escrow system. I apologize for being so dense but this sentence reads as if it was lifted from a Luis Bunuel screenplay. Am I missing something? Why on earth would drug smugglers even _use_ the device then? Obviously, they'll be using something like triple encryption DES instead. As long as alternatives to Clipper remain legal, Clipper accomplishes absolutely nothing, ZERO, as far as law enforcement is concerned. The whole scheme is an absolute, total, incredible, waste of government time and money AS LONG AS other encryption schemes that are any good remain legal. In order for Clipper to work as intended all strong cryptosystems have to be outlawed. Jan Bielawski Computervision, San Diego jpb@calmasd.prime.com " 8993,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: > > papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod): > > >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up? > > Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide. > No comparison. > > Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey > are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and > kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate. > Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of > booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a > demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it. I beleive this was the source of the Kennedy clan's money. > > So unless there's something I'm missing, I think your argument that guns > won't be smuggled because theyr'e more difficult to manufacture, smuggle > and hide won't wash. If enough people want something, somebody will try > to supply it. > -- > Allan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813 Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 8994,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 69 Jim Burhill writes: >Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the >events surrounding Jesus' life? >No. There are two problems here: Brian Kendig writes: >(1) Peter died two millenia ago. The original letters he wrote have >long since decayed into dust. If he were alive today and I could Do you question the existence of Alexander the Great, Tilgrath Pilisar III, Nero, Caligula, Josephus, Cyrus the Great, Artexerxes? Their documents have decayed to dust too. Brian, why another excuse? >(2) Even if Peter did witness the miracles of Jesus two millenia ago, >that doesn't mean that your deity is what the Bible says it is (God >might just be Satan, trying to convince everyone that he's a nice >guy), or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world >today. Peter wrote a bit of the Bible. What Peter says about God is what the Bible says. Consider the Bible a court recording. Over the period of thousands of years, various people come up and testify of their experience with the living God. Up comes Abraham the wealthy rancher. Up comes Moses, once the high official of Egypt. Up comes Elijah, a priest. Up comes David, a mere shepherd who became King. Up comes the pagan King Nebuchanezzar. Up comes the pagan King of Persia, Cyrus. Up comes Nehemiah, cupbearer to the King of Persia. Then Matthew, an IRS agent takes the stand. Up comes Luke, an M.D. Then Paul a Jew who use to kill Christians for fun. Up comes John, a 17 year old boy. Up comes Peter, a fishermen. Up comes James, the brother of Jesus himself. Up comes hundreds of others. You hear testimony from fishermen, IRS agents, priests, Kings. The court hearing lasts thousands of years with people coming up and testifying about the God who calls himself ""I am."" While you are listening to all this stuff, you realize that King David could have never known John, Solomon could have never known Matthew, Nehemiah could have never known Peter. You realize that all these people are independent witnesses, and so, you rule out collaboration. Yet all of the witnesses tell of the same God. Each testifier tells of his own experiences with the living God. Each experience is different, but each experience has enough cross-over to unmistakenly reveal that each one of these people is talking about the very same God. What Daniel did not know about God, the 3rd Highest Official of Babylon, God revealed to John 600 years later--but with a different perspective. No two testimonies are identical. Each testimony dares to venture off what is already known. Yet each witness's testimony, even though different from those prior, consistently describes harmoniously fitting facets of the character of the same God. Now. As we stare gazing at the computer, you got this seeming fanatic on the other end of the net, saying, I know this God ""I am"". He has revealed himself to me too. He also calls himself Jesus (John 8:58). Please believe me. I am telling the truth. It is wonderful to know him. Are you going to just pass off all this testimony as fictiousness? Are you going to call three thousand years worth of testimony from shepherds to IRS agents to royal officials to kings to computer programmers, fiction? With a scoff of your keyboard, with near complete ignorance of the testimonies, are you going to say that that is all complete hooey? Would that not be the most audacious display of arrogance? Do you actually think you know better than King Solomon, King David, or even Abraham Lincolnr? " 8995,8,"From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem Organization: pnet X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 43 starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: : I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and : had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced : the stock airbox. Ahh, and just how were the carbs rejeted to ""match"" the changes you made to the bike? A stage three kit from K/N or Dynojet? : Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at : about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear. Isn't rejetting fun? : This is especially frustrating : on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens : to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear. I've had it ""tuned"" and this doesn't : seem to help. I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system : from a GPz 1100. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides : restoring it to stock? : New CARBS??? Why would that fix it? you still have to get the jetting right to match what seems to be a extremely overly lean condition. You added a more free flowing exhaust, and then higher flowing filters. Chances are it's to lean. BUT! This may not be,that's the big fun with carb tuning. It's _very_ tricky. Your one and only choice (unless you want to spend many hours fiddling with the carbs) is to take it to a guy witha Dyno and have he tune the carbs for your current set up. Otherwise you'll be playing a guessing game for a long time... ============================================================================== Erik Astrup AFM #422 DoD #683 1993 CBR 900RR * 1990 CBR 600 * 1990 Concours * 1989 Ninja 250 ""This one goes to eleven"" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap ============================================================================== " 8996,14,"From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: sci Lines: 18 Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues writes: > Tonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object, > beyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They > named the object Karla. The name is a working name only; quite unofficial. The formal designation is 1993 FW. > The program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and > should be composed by rocks and ices. > > Can someone confirm these information? Could this object be a > new planet or a Kuiper object? It's most likely a Kuiper Belt object, with an estimated diameter of 290 km. The orbit hasn't been determined well enough yet to say much more about it. " 8997,17,"From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN Lines: 84 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes... >In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >> [I complained about the US taking the point in Bosnia, when the Europeans >> should be doing it] > [Ken says the Bosnians are morally superior to the Serbians...] >This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or >impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that >victims do not exist. Yes, victims exist. There are a staggering number of victims in the world and more each day. I think on balance, intervention would create more victims, including American ones. Since the first responsibility of the US government is to protect Americans, I think they serve that role best by staying away from Bosnia and other regional conflicts. >Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities >on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans? Of course not. The Jews were not trying to carve a territory out of Germany either, and except for small-scale resistance and a few larger uprisings, did not have an army or a government. >>These people have been butchering each other for centuries. When one >>side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop. > >Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not >be ""ethnic cleansed"". The Serbians want to ""ethnic cleanse"" the Muslims. It >is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the >things that the two sides want are not equivalent. I see the pattern of atrocities as a fairly often practiced tactic of a colonizing power - driving away and/or eliminating the population of an area they want to control. The US tried basically that in Vietnam, the Iraqis in Kuwait, the Israelis in Palestine, South Africa, etc, etc, etc. It sucks, it's ugly, and it's saddening. But it is not genocide. It is not my impression that the Serbs want to eliminate every Muslim in Yugoslavia. I still say the Bosnians are getting their asses kicked; they should surrender and evacuate the areas they can't hold. > [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country, > rather than the third world] > >I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying >that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to >Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider >unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to >the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was not nearly as risky. >For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to >help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If >the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are >less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? >Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? Well, one thing you have to remember is, the press likes a good story. Good for business, don't you know. And BTW, not ""everyone"" wants to help the side that is less like us. I never said the two sides were morally equivalent, I said neither one is innocent. There are just too many good reasons to stay away: 1) The Europeans are perfectly able to deal with this dispute on their borders in any way we do it. Put another way, we have no assistance to offer the Europeans which they do not already possess themselves. It is not good to promote the idea in anyone's mind that the United States is responsible for cleaning up every bloody mess in the world. 2) Clinton is not the man to lead this country into a military adventure. Full stop. 3) It is by no means clear what intervention would accomplish, nor that it would necessarily help the victims. It is not clear what the goal is and at what point any commitment could be ended. " 8998,11,"From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes: >In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > [...] >>I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if >>they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to >>attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and >>governments to break. > >(It's NIST, not NSA. NSA is not supposed to have anything to do with this.) With all the activity in sci.crypt these past few days, I am not supprised you missed it... NIST got Skipjack from the NSA :) [...] >>I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap >>doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined >>the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. > >I wouldn't trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but >I'm not certain he would be told. ""I am not a crook."" President Richard M. Nixon ^^^^^^^^^ -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ Support Privacy: Support Encryption (--)\ " 8999,8,"From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons) Subject: Re: MAIL ORDER Article-I.D.: iat.C535JA.Fvx Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem Lines: 24 >If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise ^^^^^^^ >in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and/or friendly sales ^^^^^^^^ >staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business >with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and >available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item >than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of >your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered >elsewhere. Sounds pretty lame to me. Let me see if I understand now. Your ""friends"" charge you extra? Just how much do you usually have to pay for a little friendliness? Seems like you're being ""serviced"" by some ""friendly"" sales people. Robert Emmons Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity CalcShop Inc. and maintainability to save precious remmons@holonet.net picoseconds during program execution. " 9000,3,"From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 12 >beta. Support for the BusLogic cards is not included with OS/2 2.0 any longer. Why not? This is rather disappointing... >If you wish to install the beta from the CD/ROM, you will need to REM out the >Adaptec device drivers, as they have a nasty tendency to crash the BusLogic >cards when OS/2 attempts to use them. (Thanks Adaptec!) Yep. That's cause the latest(and presumably all future) Adaptec drivers look for the string ""Adaptec"" or something to that effect in the cards BIOS. " 9001,12,"Subject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz Lines: 3 In NZ apparently things like aftershave are also giving positive readings " 9002,2,"From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy) Subject: How to fix Word subscript spacing? Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 14 Hi, I have a problem when using subscripts with MSWord. The problem is the subscripted characters get cut off on the display, but print out ok. Anyone know how to fix the subscripts so I can see them on the screen? Many thanks, -- -Howard _________________________________________________________ ! Howard Moy ! ! (608) 255-6379 ! " 9003,2,"Subject: Re: Gatewaying Microsoft Mail/Workgroups via 96 From: wesj@extsparc.usu.edu (Wes James) Reply-To: wesj@extsparc.usu.edu Distribution: world Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: extsparc.agsci.usu.edu Lines: 40 We here at Utah State University Cooperative Extension have been using W4Wg for a while now. We wanted to talk to the internet with the mail package so we got the smtp gateway. You also need a tcp/ip transport package on top of that which is utterly stupid but that's what they require to get the smtp gateway to work. You need a dedicated pc for the gateway and if you are looking at remote access you need another dedicated pc for the remote mail stuff. We do not have the remote mail going but you indicate that that is what you want to do. There is a glitch somewhere in the system though. I don't know if it is MS mail, the gateway or the VAX here on campus that is choking in the mail that is sent. The scenario is this. The outgoing mail goes to a Unix system which then routes the mail where it needs to go. If that mail is routed to the VAX, the VAX has problems some times receiving the mail. Most messages do get through this way except if someone has there mail on the VAX forwarded to some other location. That is the main gotcha. Where ever the mail is forwarded to that person gets a message header then a message saying ""Boudary:= (error garbage code stuff)"". If you can stay away from sending to a VAX you are ok. The system people of course say that the VAX is not the problem, the gateway is probably the problem. If anyone wants to get help it is only $175.00 for one support call. (until problem is worked out) Phooey to that I say. I am looking vigorously for a better Idea. If you go forward on any of this and find out anything knew, please drop me a note - anyone. The next itteration is supposed to have tcp/ip built in THEY say........ The netxt itteration of w4wg Good Luck!!!!! ******************************************************************* Wes James Email: wesj@extsparc.agsci.usu.edu Utah State University Cooperative Extension Systems Specialist UMC 4900 Voice: (801)750-2229 Logan, UT 84322-4900 FAX: (801)750-3268 ******************************************************************* " 9004,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 34 All of the arguments concerning the Sabbath ought to make the point pretty clear - anyone outside of the Catholic or Orthodox orAnglican or Monophysite churches ourght to worship on Saturday if they are really sola scriptura. Otherwise, they are following a law put into effect by the Church, and only the above Chruches really recognize any power of the Chruch to do so. Andy Byler [You will note that nothing in the FAQ said anything about the Church establishing or changing a law. The argument against the Sabbath is that it is part of the ceremonial law, and like the rest of the ceremonial law is not binding on Christians. This argument is based on Paul's letters, Acts, and in a more general sense, Jesus' teachings. Further, most people argue that Scripture shows worship occuring on Sunday, and Paul endorsing it. I understand that these points are disputed, and do not want to go around the dispute one more time. The point I'm making here is not that these arguments are right, but that the backing they claim is Scripture. Accepting the principle of ""sola scriptura"" does not commit us to obeying the entire Jewish Law. Acts 15 and Paul's letters are quite clear on that. I think even the SDA's accept it. The disagreement is on where the Bible would have us place the line. By the way, Protestants do give authority to the church, in matters that are not dictated by God. That's why churches are free to determine their own liturgies, church polity, etc. If you accept that the Sabbath is not binding on Christians, then the day of worship falls into the category of items on which individual Christians or (since worship is by its nature a group activity) churches are free to decide. --clh] " 9005,15,"From: gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) Subject: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Educational Computing Network Lines: 59 Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. The meaning of my existence is a question I ask myself daily. I live in fear of what will happen when I die. I bet some of you are licking your lips now, because you think that I'm a person on the edge of accepting jeezus. I was raised in a religious atmosphere, and attended 13 years of religious educational institutions.. I know the bible well. So well I can recognize many passages from memory. <<****Strong opinions start here...****>> 1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to explain the unexplainable. (For example the ancient Greeks believed that Apollo drove his chariot across the sky each day was real. Due to the advancement of our technology, we know this to be false. Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life a safety blanked to hide behind. ""Oh wow..all i have to do is follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."" For all of you ""found jeezus"" , how many of you were ""on the brink?"" but i digress... The other reason christianity flourishes is its infectious nature. A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word. We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we die. Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject themselves with jeezus and live with that high. It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious wars, of which Christianity has had no small part. When Christians see a ""non-believer"", they say that person is blind to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live with this mask of fakeness each day. Jesus was just prophet #37696 who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time of dire need. I must go. These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity. -- //Damien Endemyr the Unpure Knight of Doom // //""So I've acquired a taste for blood and have adopted a nocturnal // //lifestyle. That Doesnt mean I'm a vampire....."" // " 9006,3,"From: ""Mohammad Al-Ansari"" Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Indiana University Computer Science, Bloomington Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr10.082253.19597@uxmail.ust.hk> cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk (Forrest Normandy) writes: >I want to buy a 17"" monitor, any comment on Nanno T560i, NEC 5FG, >SII 17"" ??? > >Thanks a lot. > >-- >________________________________________________________________________ > Forrest Normandy | The Hong Kong University of > Internet : cs_ngfo@stu.ust.hk | Science and Technology > E-mail : cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk | Department of Computer Science > Phone : (852) 358-8631 Rm 608 |------------------------------------ > Paging : 1128635 a/c 4860 | Rm 608, UG Hall 4, HKUST, Hong Kong >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows Sources Magazine reviewed a number of 17"" monitors recently and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality. This monitor can be had for around $1070. Has anyone actually seen any of these? I am also thinking of buying a 17"" monitor and was going to consider the Mitsubishi. If I remember correctly, I think its viewing area is 16"" measured diagonally. Thanks. -- Mohammad Al-Ansari alansari@cs.indiana.edu " 9007,6,"From: dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (dietrijj) Subject: delay/sampler Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 8 Hey! I am interested in buying a digital delay pedal, preferably capable of sampling and infinite repeat. (If you're familiar with Phil Keaggy, I want to mimic, or at least as close as possible, what he does in concert, i.e., click the pedal, play something, click it again, and what he played between clicks repeats infinitely while he playes leads over it) Anyway, let me know..... -Jason dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu " 9008,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Q the Lost Gospel Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 5 Just finished reading Burton Mack's new book, _The Lost Gospel, Q and Christian Origins_. I thought it was totally cool. Anyone else read it and want to talk? Randy " 9009,9,"From: kja@watson.ibm.com ( Kenneth J. Arbeitman) Subject: Missing subject header Reply-To: kja@bones.fishkill.ibm.com ( Kenneth J. Arbeitman) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.fishkill.ibm.com Organization: IBM East Fishkill Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Lines: 39 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: |> Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. |> |> For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, |> |> With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed |> hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. That's because Lankford had a minor injury from a couple of games before that and was day-to-day... only available as a pinchrunner. |> |> Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts |> lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis |> Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell |> is he thinking. See above. |> |> Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented |> how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a |> regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said |> he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, |> what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every |> team in the league. |> At the beginning of the interview Torre also said Lankford is the one outfield guy who's ""in there no matter what"". My guess is Jordan will eventually end up being odd man out due to low on base percentage. Whiten was a great acquisition... decent offense and great defense in rightfield. But don't worry, Gilkey will be starting as soon as Jordan or Whiten displays an extended period of low offensive output. " 9010,18,"From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence' Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany Lines: 17 In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >Naw, I think you are. While both organizations may, on paper, support the >abolition of the age of consent, there the resemblance stops. >One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade >to ""legitimize"" sexual relations with children. I get it. One organization wants to abolish age of consent laws, whereas in contrast the other wants to abolish age of consent laws. This makes it respectable to belong to one organization, but not the other. -- Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de " 9011,8,"From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) Subject: Re: edu breaths Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla17 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 53 In article <1993Apr15.221024.5926@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: >|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: >|>| >|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike >|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. >|> >|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals. I >|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of ""cruiser"" >|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but. >| >|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference >|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals. > >Yes, yes, yes. Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us. This >is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport. > >|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders >|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. > >And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw >that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold? Please quantify your >generalization for us. Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch >of people. > That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm low torque motor. To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists chrome has very little impact on buying choice. Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select the vehicle of choice. To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words, no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements) You're fishing for flames, Dave. This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners. This is a moot conversation. -- => Dan DeClerck | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com <= => Motorola Cellular APD | <= =>""Friends don't let friends wear neon""| Phone: (708) 632-4596 <= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9012,2,"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) Subject: Pixel font Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry Organization: Private System Lines: 9 I'm looking for a font that looks like pixels off of a monitor (not the lcd kind of font though) does anyone know where I can get one? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 9013,7,"From: neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... In-Reply-To: madman@austin.ibm.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:31:58 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: seoul Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> Lines: 12 [sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] > That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves > and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is > imminent. > > Steve Heracleous You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from me - those kids are mean. " 9014,2,"From: iak@cs.joensuu.fi (Ismo K{rkk{inen) Subject: Re: Wallpaper in Windows 3.1 Organization: University of Joensuu Lines: 23 louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: >>Is there any utility available that will make Windows >>randomly select one of your windows directory's .BMP >>files as the wallpaper file? >There are a couple. I am personally using screenpeace, which is a If you need just to change the wallpaper, then I've written a short program in VB that does this by using SystemParametersInfo-function. The bad news is that you need VBRUN200.DLL to run it, and the DLL is some 350kb (the program is about 7kb). The order of pictures depends on the system date and the number of BMP-files in the directory, so the picture remains the same if you execute the program multiple times during the same day and the number of BMPs has not changed. If you feel this is what you need then I could uuencode it and email it to you. (It is unavailable via ftp.) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ismo K{rkk{inen / 109740@joyl.joensuu.fi / iak@cs.joensuu.fi | | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9015,7,"From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Lois Chevrolet? Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu The Chevrolet brothers were respected racers & test drivers for the Buick Co. when Durant was there. When the directors kicked Durant out of GM in 1910 he took Chevrolet and others with him. As mentioned before, they founded the successful Chevrolet company. A little-known fact is that the Chevrolet Co. actually took over GM! That was how Durant got back in charge of GM-- legally his new company Chevrolet Co. did the buying, and GM was a division of Chevrolet! After 1920 and into the Sloan era, GM shuffled things so that the GM board was superior, but there was always a degree of autonomy given the Chevy division, presumably because of the initial structure. (If you look at the organization chart for GM in Sloan's book, Chevy division reports directly to 14th floor, not through the ""passenger car division"" which covers Buick, Olds, Cadillac, and Oakland/Pontiac) -Jeff Hagen (minor deity of worthless auto-trivia) hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu " 9016,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 30 In article , jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) writes: > In article smayo@world.std.com (Scott A Mayo) writes: >>... >>I think Christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is >>ever disproved. ... > > Didn't Paul write that if the Resurrection is not true, we are the > biggest fools of all? However, whether you believe in Christ or not, > His teachings (e.g. love your brotherman as yourself), even if only > followed at a secular level, could do a great deal to alleviate some of > the problems we see today in the world. Even when I was a rabid atheist > I couldn't deny that. > > Jeff Johnson > jcj@tellabs.com We also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been wrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were following Christ. From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict obedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have ""justly"" punished the Jews for the killing Christ (as well as the other progroms), the innocent women who were burned alive in accordance with ""you shall not allow a witch to live"", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing men destroyed by the inquistion. The religious wars in Spain, France, England, etc. Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss of life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the instructions therein, was unquestionable. There is much to grieve. randy " 9017,12,"From: einari@rhi.hi.is (Einar Indridason) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: hengill.rhi.hi.is In <1993Apr21.085848.12704W@lumina.edb.tih.no> ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) writes: >May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a >""Copy protection FAQ"" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such >an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will >provide the answers :-) Ok, here could be the first question or answer or something: Q: I want to copyprotect a program I wrote. How should I do it? A: You would be wise not to copyprotect that program. You see, those people that wants to get a cracked copy of your program will go to various length to crack your program, and some of those crackers are good, and know the common tricks. So, the copy protection wouldn't stop those. Ok, then. What about legitimate users? Copy protection can be a hassle for legitimate users, and can hinder them in their work, expecially if there is some ""key"" item that can get lost. So, the copy protection wouldn't help much of the legitimate users, but would make life somewhat of a misery for them. (This is my opinion, and I speak as a legitimate user :-) You are of course free to have your opinion about this subject.... -- einari@rhi.hi.is " 9018,7,"From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 42 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says: >In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed >>to go fast. >you have a point about the brakes, especially seeing as how the >mustang doesn't even have disc brakes in the back. >but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and >the late 80's 911s, not the least of which is handling. i'm not ^^ I think you mean late '60s. The biggest change that Porsche undertook to alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the '69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase. Besides, some people actually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it. >in europe. the 911 got low marks for high speed handling (though to >be fair, they might have been comparing it to the vette's handling). ^^^^^ >what was that phil hill (famous race car driver) said about the ^^^^ ^^^^ You should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about the Vette's he's driven. >911 turbo? you can't make a thoroughbred out of a pig, but you can >have an awful fast pig. ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ Yeah, that was what he said. :-) Paul Frere agreed. They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to either of the Vette's at that test. -- Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA ""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" -Mary Chapin-Carpenter " 9019,14,"From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 25 Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either: * Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back, and/or * A Saturn V went boom. If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone head and done some landings, but we also would have been more determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would have concentrated on the moon. /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | | the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | | Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."" | | | " 9020,1,"From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Fixed-point math library Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: medusa.jpl.nasa.gov Has anyone written or seen a C library or C++ class for fixed-point math, or good articles about same? I pretty much know how to do this, but I have a few other wheels to invent at the moment... Thanks! --- ""How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782"" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 " 9021,19,"From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Distribution: usa Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 37 Jim Brown wrote : [ deleted ] >I feel that those who use the KJV as a basis for arguing Biblical >contradictions are either being intellectually dishonest (purposefully >wanting to show the Bible in the worst light possible), or they are >being mentally lazy and are taking the easy way out. Either way, they >leave the theist the option of countering with, ""Well, that's just the >KJV, that's not what my XXX version says."" [ deleted ] Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The KJV is preferred by the majority of fundamentalists (at least here). The second part of your argument fails as well, since that statement can be used against any version (not just the KJV). [ deleted ] >I've based my argument on one of the best modern translations >available which is based on the work of the leading Biblical scholars."" [ deleted ] I would not find this statement to be very useful since it is an appeal to authority and the opposition will just claim that their authorities are ""better"". A second tact that local creationists have used is to reply ""but those scholars are atheists and cannot be believed"" (they will also use this phrase to describe any theologians that they don't agree with). [ deleted ] >>>/GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth >>>/cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. [ deleted ] The verse being discussed clearly claims that sympathetic magic works (i.e. placing stripped sticks in the cattle breeding grounds causes stripped and spotted calves to be born) and should be attacked on that basis (no biologist has ever observed this claimed correlation). " 9022,14,From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals) Subject: Looking for a little research help [ addendum] Organization: Dynamic Graphics Inc. Lines: 10 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com Sorry but I forgot this ps. Right now my sight is getting news about two weeks behind so it's kind of necessary (to me) that any responses be sent to me directly. Thanks a lot Jennise jennise@dgi.com 9023,12,"From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Blakey) Subject: Site for projects Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 6 Does anyone out there know of any ftp sites which deal with electronics projects, plans, etc? Any response appreciated.:) JB -- ............................................................................ Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca " 9024,7,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: usa Lines: 52 In <1993Apr14.230524.9578@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes: >In article zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: >[Stuff Deleted] >> >>Excuse me, but I understood what Mr. Smith meant. AND, I have often observed >>when traffic is ""blocked solid"", that if a few people yeild to the ""moron"" >>who is impatiently riding bumpers, the slug at the front of the pack will >>miraculously wake up, change lanes, and viola! no more jam. Granted the >>situation here does not apply to rush hour in a crowded city. But I have >>observed this situation regularly on your average interstate, six or >>eight sets of cars, side by side, bunched up in a ""pack"" with open >>freeway fore and aft as far as you can see. The people who refuse to >>yeild as a ""point of honor"" are just as annoying as the slug in the front. >I agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass, you might >not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don't want to >give them that one car-length, when they should just wait like you are. >BUT, if you're one of those people that just sit's behind the person, and >doesn't flash them with the high beams, or pull left and flash them, or >ride their bumper, or otherwise tell them that you *do* in fact want to >go by, and you're not just drafting them, then get the hell out of the >way of someone who will! I especially hate it when you flash someone at >the back of a line and they don't 'pass it on'. So after I've flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesn't 'pass it on' (and few if any do), what next? On major highways, 3 or more lanes in each direction, keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who are entering. Also, as someone posted in this thread, here in the D.C. area we have a few left lane exits (sounds like 66). If you wait until the last minute to get in the left lane you won't, cause these yoyos won't make room. We have a particularly bad strech here in Merryland just over the Cabin John bridge. There are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry-up yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead. When we get to the point where these ramps merge, all hell breaks lose. The result is that traffic which was moving at 55 on the VA side of the bridge, stalls on t'other side. If these dingbats had stayed in lane, allowed the folks coming up the two ramps to merge, we would still be doing 55. Instead we do start- stop for 4 miles. Dave Barry's idea of a laser equipped car would be real useful here. Bob PS: If you drive the beltway and want to merge, look for a brown Probe with a silver haired driver, then use your signals - I don't read minds, but I do try to be courteous. They told me courtesy was contagious, but I guess the folks around here have had their shots :-/ " 9025,6,"From: DMCOLES@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU Subject: Chicago area roommate needed (Evanston) Nntp-Posting-Host: nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 21 Non-smoking roommate needed to sublet 1BR in 2BR carpeted apt. in Evanston, IL near the Dempster el stop parking is available Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils. avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug. (entire apt. available Sept. 1) Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian, non-smoking female who works at Northwestern No neat freaks please! Call Denise (708) 491-7603 (w) (708) 869-8307 (H) dc@nwu.edu " 9026,4,"From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie) Subject: For the poor owner of IIsi Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 16 Macintosh IIsi, 3/40, 80ns. Clock-upgraded IIsi works well at 25MHZ, however, does not work with Nubus adaptor and 1400k disk even though it can read/write 800k disk at32MHz. Interestingly, upgraded IIsi overcomes basically the fighting between the Vedio and the System so that CPU never be reduced below 8 no mater whether the cache is on or off. This is pretty useful when you use the virtual memory of system 7. 20MHz 25MHZ 32MHz CPU 5.46(6.0.7) 6.81(6.0.7) 8.83(6.0.7) 8.74(7VM) Graf. 6.72 8.56 11.07 9.19 Disk 1.44 1.50 1.56 1.49 Math. 5.72 11.27(FPU) 9.36 8.84 speedometer3.1 " 9027,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Analgesics with Diuretics Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA In article Lawrence Curcio writes: >I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that >combine aspirin with a diuretic. You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such. The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and ""bloating"" simultaneously. They're worthless. >The idea seems to be to reduce >inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work? That's not the idea, and no, they don't work. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 9028,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article <1993Apr3.200529.2206@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: >In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >{drinking & riding} >> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after >> you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I >> don't ride until tomorrow""? Even a half a beer will increase your confidence while slugging your reactions and judgement - not much maybe, but its hard enough to stay alive out there for any length of time without stacking the odds. I'll not ride after ANY. " 9029,7,"From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions Keywords: questions Organization: Chevron Lines: 66 In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: |> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend: model wgt hp Stealth 3086 164 Stealth ES 3186 222 Stealth RT 3373 222 Stealth RT TT 3803 300 Okay, I'll take ""their"" word for it. > I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is > rated at 205. 222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford changed its testing procedures. Under the older procedures, it still rates closer to 225 hp. That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more. And you still haven't posted any weight figures for the Mustang. > Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams. And that's probably where you got that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth. >> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue. Strange that you claim to have that > > Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not > checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp, > automatic. For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver without posting any numbers. Why not? Because they prove me right and you ain't got the guts to admit it? Yeah, thought so. > The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car. > You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and > report please. No, I'm going to play your game - No way, Sentra's are SLOW! I took a test drive and it took 21.7 to go 0-50! Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors off. Any 12 yr old knows that! I race and I'll kick your butt! blah, blah, blah... Let's see ... yep, that sounds just like you. Oh man, I just got it! Beavis & Butthead - that's you! > Who would buy a FWD automatic, that costs $20K+ that is capable of only > a 15.8 and would plainly be dusted by a SE-R? I dunno, why did you? But why would someone pick the Dodge Stealth RT over the Nissan Sentra? All it takes is one look. TRAVIS " 9030,14,"From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: Small Astronaut (was: Budget Astronaut) Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 25 In article <1pfkf5$7ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >Only one problem with sending a corp of Small astronauts. >THey may want to start a galactic empire:-) Napoleon >complex you know. Genghis Khan was a little guy too. I'd bet >Julius caesar never broke 5'1"". I think you would lose your money. Julius was actually rather tall for a Roman. He did go on record as favouring small soldiers though. Thought they were tougher and had more guts. He was probably right if you think about it. As for Napoleon remember that the French avergae was just about 5 feet and that height is relative! Did he really have a complex? ObSpace : We have all seen the burning candle from High School that goes out and relights. If there is a large hot body placed in space but in an atmosphere, exactly how does it heat the surroundings? Diffusion only? Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. " 9031,18,"From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Hokh'Ton) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 39 In <1qqfam$ogh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison) writes: >In a previous article, kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) says: >>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >> >>>In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >>>> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that >>> ^^^^^ >>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? >> >>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. >> >> I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several >>different news groups, including something along the lines of alt.discrimination Look Rodney King is black and large. I have several large black male friends,and they are referred to as being large black men ( to their faces, and by >>themselves ). You know, Ted, I have a large number of adjectives for you, >>but I will spare you most of them because I try not to get into personal >>flame wars. Let me just say that I think your action of cross posting this >>was total BS, and you're trying to start some crap. Hopefully, others will >>see through your trite little game and not play along. > You still haven't addressed Ted's statement. We're waiting. Yeah, I'm also curious as to why you felt compelled to remind us of the guy's race. BTW, I don't mean to imply that you're clueless or anything, but the statement was *hardly* ""benign"". -- Hokh'Ton : The Crystal Wind is the Storm, mdouglas@netcom.com : and the Storm is Data, Michael Douglas-Llyr : and the Data is Life. : ---Player's Litany (The Long Run) " 9032,15,"From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs Lines: 41 In article 2262@geneva.rutgers.edu, Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes: > I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second > Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the > person claiming to be IT is obviously insane? One rule of thumb is that if a person is making the claim, they are wrong. I was just reading John 14 this morning (I think that is the right chapter, anyway it is close and I don't have a Bible at work to check with.) and in it Jesus is talking to his disciples about his impending death and he says that he will be going away and then later he will be with them. He said something along the lines of ""I will be in you and you will be in me."" (Again I cannot provide the exact quote or citation.) Anyway, my understanding of this is that the Second Coming will not be an outward event. It is an inward event, Christ will come to live in our hearts and we will live in him. If you look for a person you will be deceived. It seems to me that the Jews had been looking for a Messiah that would be a political or military leader and so didn't recognize Jesus when he came. Jesus tried to show that his Kingdom was not of this earth. A lot of what I have seen written about the Second Coming seems to based on an expectation of Christ coming back and finally taking over the world and running it the way it should be. It sounds a lot like what the Jews were looking for. The First Coming wasn't like that and I see no reason for the Second Coming to be like that either. Oh and by the way, I don't expect it to happen once. There is no one Second Coming, there are a lot of little ones. Every time Christ comes into someones heart, Christ has come again. Peace, Will. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | | Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | | Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | | But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9033,10,"From: 06paul@ac.dal.ca Subject: My Predictions of a classic playoff year! Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 73 Here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs! (you may laugh at your convenience!) :) Adams Division (I hate the NE (name) divisoin!!!) BOS vs BUF BOS in 5 (the B's are hot lately!) MON vs QUE MON in 7 (This will be the series to watch in the first round!) BOS vs MON MON in 7 (this may be a bit biased but I feel the Canadiens will (smarten up and start playing they played two months ago ( i.e. bench Savard !!!) Patrick Division PIT vs NJD PIT in 6 (It wont be a complete cake walk... there be a few lumps (in the cake batter!) WAS vs NYI WAS in 6 (This will not be an exciting series..IMO) PITT vs WAS PIT in 4 (Washington will be tired after the NYI) Norris Division CHI vs StL CHI in 5 (StL will get a lucky game in) TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense (series to watch!) CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.) Smythe Division VAN vs WIN VAN in 5 (Teemu is great, but Vancouver better as a team!) CAL vs LAK CAL in 6 (Gretzky is great, but Calgary has been on fire lately) ...sorry for the pun... um, no I am not! :) VAN vs CAL VAN in 6 (This will be a great series! but VAN has proven they (Will not lie down and get beat!) Wales Conference finals Pittsburgh vs Montreal Montreal in 6 (Montreal IMHO is the only team (that has a chance against Pittsburgh.) Campbell Conference finals Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP) STANLEY CUP FINALS Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks). ***************************************YEE HAA!!******************************* *poof* And I wake up :) Well that is my predictions...I hope and dream they come true. and you can stop laughing anytime :) Paul Die hard Habs Fan living with 3 Die hard Leafs fans! " 9034,14,"From: drunen@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Eric Van Drunen) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Nntp-Posting-Host: nucleus.ps.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 30 Actually, they are legal! I not familiar with the ad you are speaking of but knowing Popular Science it is probably on the fringe. However, you may be speaking of ""Public Missle, Inc."", which is a legitimate company that has been around for a while. Due to advances in composite fuels, engines are now available for model rockets using similar composites to SRB fuel, roughly 3 times more powerful than black powder motors. They are even available in a reloadable form, i.e. aluminum casing, end casings, o-rings (!). The engines range from D all the way to M in common manufacture, N and O I've heard of used at special occasions. To be a model rocket, however, the rocket can't contain any metal structural parts, amongst other requirements. I've never heard of a model rocket doing 50,000. I have heard of > 20,000 foot flights. These require FAA waivers (of course!). There are a few large national launches (LDRS, FireBALLS), at which you can see many > K sized engine flights. Actually, using a > G engine constitutes the area of ""High Power Rocketry"", which is seperate from normal model rocketry. Purchase of engines like I have been describing require membership in the National Association of Rocketry, the Tripoli Rocketry Assoc., or you have to be part of an educational institute or company involved in rocketry. Amatuer rocketry is another area. I'm not really familiar with this, but it is an area where metal parts are allowed, along with liquid fuels and what not. I don't know what kind of regulations are involved, but I'm sure they are numerous. High power rocketry is very exciting! If you are interested or have more questions, there is a newsgroup rec.model.rockets. " 9035,5,"From: donaldlf@k9.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Leslie F. Donaldson) Subject: Problems using Graphic Context with Athena widgets Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: k9.cs.rose-hulman.edu Keywords: athena,colormaps,graphic contex I am creating a graphics program using the Athena widgets. I use Xlib routines to install a custom Graphics Contex by obtaining the display, and window variables with the XtWindowOfObject() and XtDisplayOfObject(). The object was one of the sub widgets. The problem occurs that whenever a button is pressed or a menu is selected the graphic contex reverts to the orginal one. I tried moving the allocation of the graphic context before the allocation of the buttons but nothing changed. I am preforming all of this manipulation before calling XtAppMainLoop(). Thank you for any help. Leslie Donaldson donaldlf@cs.rose-hulman.edu donaldlf@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu " 9036,10,"From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.000256.24403@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA writes: >What it comes down to is that Jagr, despite being an arrogant asshole, is a >very good hockey player who has had a better season this year than Ron Francis. >Jagr has more points and a better +/-. Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). >Gregmeister Dean -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean J. Falcione ""Badges? What badges? We (using jrmst8 by permission Don't need no stinkin' of the owner, Joe McDonald) badges!"" " 9037,9,"From: js8484@albnyvms.bitnet Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Reply-To: js8484@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 89 In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu>, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: > >Some pleasant (and then some not so pleasant) surprises about the 1993 >edition of the Bronx Bombers so far. > >First, the pleasant: > > 1)Spike Owen. All through spring training, this guy was > looking like the second coming of Mike Gallego, but with > even worse hitting. Now the guy is third in the major leagues > in BA, and he's ranked pretty high in total hits and runs > scored. I know it's still early in the season, but he and > Pat Kelly (more on him in a minute) have provided a lot of > spark at the bottom of the order that's given the big guys > (Mattingly, Tartabull, O'Neill) plenty of RBI opportunities. > Let's hope he keeps this up. > > 2)Pat Kelly. The guy is finally showing some of the ability > that led Stick Michael to label him a ""star for the 90s"". > I wouldn't go that far, but Kelly looks infinitely improved > at bat (I guess the tips he took from Boggs in spring training > really paid off. Huh! And here I thought Boggs would never > do anything to help anybody besides himself!). And his glove, > like always, has been terrific (he and Mattingly comprise the > best defensive right side of the infield in all of baseball IMHO). > > 3)Paul O'Neill. We had to get rid of Roberto Kelly, partly > because he was under too much pressure in NY to be the next > Barry Bonds (he won't do that in Cincy, either), and partly > because he had this real unprofessional tendency to give up > in the second half of the year. I just felt that we could've > gotten more for him than O'Neill. Well, so far, O'Neill is > turning out just fine. He looks like he should be able to > duplicate (if not surpass) Mel Hall's numbers from last year, > and he keeps opposing pitchers from pitching around Tartabull. > Now, if only Buck would play him against lefties some more to > see what he can do! > > 4)Wickman. A friend made a comparison between Wickman and Jack > Morris - they never have impressive stats but they always > find some way to win (although Morris seems to be losing that > ability). I figured that Wickman would be the least important > part of the Steve Sax trade (best trade since we got that Ruth > guy), maybe winding up as a good middle reliever. But I like what > I've seen so far. He doesn't pitch pretty, but he gets the job done. > > 5)Key. What's going on here? Key was just supposed to provide > the rotation with some stability (you know, shore up the left > side, provide experience, get maybe 15 wins), and here this guy > is *dominating* everybody he faces! Who needs Maddux or Cone (0-2)? > I'll take Key any day. > >And now, the not so pleasant surprises: > > 1)Spike Owen. Sure, he's hitting like crazy, but the guy *cannot* > field to save his life! And they said he was brought in to > provide defense? Velarde, Stankiewicz, and even Silvestri > are better defensively than Owen. Remember - it's still early. Look for his offense to tail off, and his defense to improve (hopefully). He has that rep because I heard that either last year, or over the last 5 years, or something like that - he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league shortstops - behind C.R. and Tony (I'm not gonna help this sorry Mets team at all) Fernandez. I do agree though that he has not looked all that impressive in the field thus far. > > 2)Tartabull. The book on Tartabull was, keep him healthy and > he'll produce. Well, he hasn't done too much so far. Sure. he's > hit a few homers, but those were all solo shots, and he hasn't > gotten any of the ""big"" RBIs that your cleanup man is supposed > to give you. Then again, he had a slow start last year (once he > got off the DL, that is) and turned into a one-man wrecking crew > late in the year, so we'll see. > > 3)The Bullpen. UGH!!!!!What happened? We were supposed to have > one of the most solid pens in the majors! Meanwhile, the pen > has already blown three saves (maybe more - I haven't checked). > The great Howe/Farr lefty/righty tandem? Farr's ERA is in the > 20s or 30s, and Howe's is.....infinite. (I didn't think such > a thing was possible, but it is). Hopefully, they'll get their > acts together, or else Buck's gonna burn out the starters > for fear that the bullpen'll blow a lead. > >In the immortal words of the Scooter, ""Holy Cow, Seaver! That Johnny Key >guy can pitch, can't he?"" > >See you in the Series! > >-Alan " 9038,11,"From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 18 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're >gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone >calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just >get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head. Just because they can do it anyway, somehow, does not mean it is smart to make the job easier for them. -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) " 9039,6,"From: jaredjma@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jared J. Martin) Subject: Mother Board for sale Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 16 FOR SALE: 486 DX/33 Motherboard for sale. Excellent condition...less than one year old. 64K cache, expandable to 256K. RAM expandable to 32MB. AMI BIOS. Need to sell...upgrading. Asking: $600.00 (neg.) CONTACT: Jared Martin at 49-54566 or email at jaredjma@mentor.cc.purdue.edu " 9040,8,"From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 In Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> ""ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)"" says: > > In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says: > > Mike Terry asks: > > >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > > > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift > off the ground. > -- > DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie. The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an odd feel, but it still wheelies. " 9041,1,"From: gavin@krypton.asd.sgi.com (Gavin Bell) Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: krypton.asd.sgi.com In <1pscti$aqe@travis.csd.harris.com> srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes: >How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a >set of points, edges and faces? This algorithm works well for me: Algorithm to attempt to find outward-facing normals: --------------------------------------------------- First, mark all faces as UNKNOWN. Then create an edge dictionary that allows you to find all of the faces sharing a given edge (where an edge is two integers representing the two shared vertices). Pick an arbitrary face and mark it COUNTER_CLOCKWISE. Using the edge dictionary, orient all surrounding faces based on the orientation of this face. And recurse for all surrounding faces, consistently orienting the entire surface. Find the average of the vertices in this surface. Using that point, calculate a volume measurement, taking into account the face's orientation. If the volume turns out to be positive, assume the faces are oriented correctly. If it is negative, reverse their orientations (mark them CLOCKWISE). If any faces are still UNKNOWN after this, choose another face and go through the algorithm again. At the end, faces marked CLOCKWISE must have their indices reversed before facet normals are found. (Note: if you are running on Silicon Graphics machines and buy the IRIS Inventor 3D toolkit developers package you have the source to this algorithm-- see /usr/src/Inventor/tools/ivnorm/. If you're not... sorry, I can't give out the source, and even if I could it relies heavily on Inventor). -- --gavin (gavin@sgi.com, (415)390-1024) " 9042,5,"From: steve@ecf.toronto.edu (Steve Kotsopoulos) Subject: X on Intel-based Unix Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Summary: X options for Intel-based Unix (SYSV/386, 386BSD, Linux, Mach) Article-I.D.: ecf.C4rI7o.4Bw Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Reply-To: steve@ecf.toronto.edu Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 530 Archive-name: Intel-Unix-X-faq Last-modified: 30 Mar 1993 Note: This is a major re-organization (and replacement) of my ""Frequently Asked Questions About X386"" FAQ list. This article includes answers to: I) What options do I have for X software on my Intel-based Unix system? 1. Free options 2. Commercial options II) What is XFree86 and where do I get it? 3. What is XFree86? 4. What OSs are supported? 5. What video hardware is supported? 6. What about accelerated boards? 7. Why doesn't XFree86 support 16-color VGA modes? 8. What other hardware or software requirements are there? 9. Where can I get source for XFree86? 10. Where can I get binaries for XFree86? IV) What general things should I know about running XFree86? 11. Installation directories 12. Configuration files 13. Determining VGA dot clocks and monitor modes 14. Rebuilding/reconfiguring the server from the link kit V) What OS-specific things should I know about running XFree86? 15. SVR4 16. SVR3 17. 386BSD 18. Linux 19. Mach VI) What things should I know for building XFree86 from source? VII) Is there anything special about building clients with XFree86? 20. BSD compatibility library 21. ANSICCOPTIONS This article does NOT include answers to general X questions, since these are already covered by the X FAQ that is regularly posted by David B. Lewis . If you have anything to add or change on the FAQ just let me know. (especially if you had a problem that someone else was able to help you with) Send changes to steve@ecf.toronto.edu, please put 'FAQ' somewhere in the subject line so that my mail filter will put it in the correct mail folder. Please DO NOT ask me questions that are not answered in the FAQ. I do not have time to respond to these individually. Instead, post your question to the net, and send me the question and answer together when you get it. Frequently Asked Questions About X on Intel-based Unix (with answers) ===================================================================== I) What options do I have for X software on my Intel-based Unix system? 1. Free options The BEST option is XFree86, which is an enhanced version of X386 1.2. Any other version of X386 will have slower performance, and will be more difficult to compile. Information on how to obtain XFree86 is listed below. X386 is the port of the X11 server to System V/386 that was done by Thomas Roell (roell@sgcs.com). It supports a wide variety of SVGA boards. There are 2 major free versions: X386 1.1 is based on X11R4, X386 1.2 is included in MIT's X11R5 distribution (ie. you don't need to patch it into the MIT source any more). X386 1.3 is the current commercial offering from SGCS (see below). 2. Commercial options 1) Metro Link 2213 W. McNab Road Pompano Beach, FL 33069 (305) 970-7353 Fax: (305) 970-7351 email: sales@metrolink.com Summary: OS: QNX, SVR3, SVR4.[012], SCO, UnixWare, LynxOS, DESQview/X, Venix, ISC, Solaris, Pyramid, SunOS HW: EGA, VGA, SVGA, TIGA, TARGA, 8514/A, Mach, S3, WD, Fujistu, Matrox, Microfield Graphics, R33020 Other: Motif, OpenLook/XView, XIE Imaging Extension, Xv Video Extension, Audio Drivers, Multi Media 2) SGCS (Snitily Graphics Consulting Services) 894 Brookgrove Lane Cupertino, CA 95014 (800) 645-5501, (408) 255-9665 Fax: (408) 255-9740 email: info@sgcs.com or ...!mips!zok!info Summary: OS: SVR3.2, SVR4 HW: 8514/A (ATI Ultra), S3 (Diamond Stealth), SVGA Other: Motif, Dual-headed server 3) Consensys Corporation 1301 Pat Booker Rd. Universal City, TX 78148 Phone: 1-800-388-1896 FAX: 1-416-940-2903 email: info@consensys.com Summary: OS: Consensys V4.2, Consensys' version of Unix System V Release 4.2 HW: X11R4 server support for VGA, SVGA Other: MoOLIT, Motif, X11R5 Clients 4) The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. p.o. box 1900 Santa Cruz, California 95061 (408) 425 7222, (800) SCO UNIX, FAX: (408) 458 4227 email: info@sco.com Summary: OS: ODT 1.1, ODT 2.0, SCO Unix 3.2v4 HW: X11R4 server support for SVGA, 8514/A, S3, TMS340x0, WD90C31, XGA2, assorted local bus (see SCO Hardware Compatabilty Guide for actual card vendors). Other: Motif 5) Answer Software & Consulting p.o. box 14171 Columbus, Ohio 43214 614-263-XLAB email: sales@x4coher.com Summary: OS: Coherent 4.0.1r72 or greater HW: works with any VESA compliant video NOTE: Other commercial vendors (including OS vendors describing bundled software) are welcome to submit summary information summary information such as the above. II) What is XFree86 and where do I get it? 3. What is XFree86? XFree86 is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which was distributed with X11R5. This release consists of many bug fixes, speed improvements, and other enhancements. Here are the highlights of the enhancements: 1) The SpeedUp package from Glenn Lai is an integral part of XFree86, selectable at run-time via the Xconfig file. Some SpeedUps require an ET4000 based SVGA, and others require a virtual screen width of 1024. The SpeedUps suitable to the configuration are selected by default. With a high-quality ET4000 board (VRAM), this can yield up to 40% improvement of the xStones benchmark over X386 1.2. 2) The fX386 packages from Jim Tsillas are included as the default operating mode if SpeedUp is not selected. This mode is now equivalent in performance to X386 1.1b (X11R4), and approximately 20% faster than X386 1.2. 3) Support for LOCALCONN, compile-time selectable for server, clients, or both. This support is for both SVR3.2 and SVR4. For SVR4.0.4 with the 'Advanced Compatibility Package', local connections from SCO XSight/ODT clients are supported. 4) Drivers for ATI and Trident TVGA8900C and TVGA9000 SVGA chipsets. Refer to the files README.ati and README.trident for details about the ATI and Trident drivers. 5) Support for compressed bitmap fonts has been added (Thomas Eberhardt's code from the contrib directory on export.lcs.mit.edu). 6) Type1 Font code from MIT contrib tape has been included, and is compile-time selectable. There are contributed Type1 fonts in the contrib directory on export.lcs.mit.edu. 7) New configuration method which allows the server's drivers and font renderers to be reconfigured from both source and binary distributions. 8) Integrated support for 386BSD, Mach, and Linux. 9) A monochrome version of the server which will run on generic VGA cards is now included. The following key features were added with the release of XFree86 1.2 (they were not in XFree86 1.1): 1) The monochrome server has been enhanced to do bank-switching of available SVGA memory to allow virtual screens up to 1600x1200 (see the X386(1) manual page for more information). 2) Support for the Hercules mono card has been added to the monochrome server, and with it the ability to support a ""two headed"" server - one VGA, and one Hercules. So far this has only been tested on SVR4 (it is also reported to work under Linux). 3) SVR3 shared libraries, tested under ISC SVR3 2.2 and 3.0.1. 4) Support for SVR4.2 (There are some special considerations to consider, due to new USL bugs; see the README.SVR4 file for more information.) 5) Support for PS/2 mice, and Logitech MouseMan/TrackMan (some versions of these devices were not previously compatible). 6) A new tutorial on how to develop correct video card and monitor timing data, written by Eric Raymond (derived from previous documentation and a lot of experimentation). 7) Greatly improved support for international keyboards, including implementation of the Compose key functionality found on many vendor servers (see the X386keybd(1) manual page for more information). 8) The accuracy with which the server detects SVGA pixel clocks has been improved, and the timings are now stored at accuracies of 0.1 MHz. Users may want to consider removing an existing Clocks line from their Xconfig file and re-probing using the new server. 9) Many enhancements in error handling and parsing of the Xconfig configuration file. Error messages are much more informative and intuitive, and more validation is done. There are many new options that can be enabled in the Xconfig file (see the X386(1) manual page for more information on the format of this file). Plus a number of other small things. Refer to the CHANGELOG file in the source distribution for full details. Also included are a tutorial on monitor timing by Eric Raymond, and the current X386 mode database and a sample xdm configuration by David Wexelblat. 4. What OSs are supported? XFree86 supports: SVR4.2: Consensys V4.2 SVR4.0: Microport, Dell, Esix, ISC, AT&T, MST, Consensys, UHC SVR3: ISC 2.2 & 3.0, AT&T 2.2 Linux, Mach 386, 386BSD 0.1 BSD/386 is not supported, but it should work. The most active BSD/386 person is Greg Lehey . Note that Esix 3.2D and SCO are not supported yet, but anyone should feel free to submit patches. If you are interested in tackling this, send mail to xfree86@physics.su.oz.au 5. What video hardware is supported? At this time, XFree86 1.2 supports the following SVGA chipsets: Tseng ET4000 Tseng ET3000 Paradise PVGA1 Western Digital WD90C00, WD90C10, WD90C11 (these are supersets of the PVGA1, and use its driver) Genoa GVGA Trident TVGA8900C, TVGA9000 ATI 18800, 28800 All of the above are supported in both 256 color and monochrome modes, with the exception of the ATI chipsets, which are only supported in 256 color mode. The monochrome server also supports generic VGA cards, using 64k of video memory in a single bank, and the Hercules card. On the ET3000, only 64k of video memory is supported for the monochrome server, and the GVGA has not been tested with more than 64k. It appears that some of the SVGA card manufacturers are going to non-traditional mechanisms for selecting pixel-clock frequencies. To avoid having to modify the server to accommodate these schemes XFree86 1.2 adds support for using an external program to select the pixel clock. This allows programs to be written as new mechanisms are discovered. Refer to the README.clkprog file for information on how these programs work, if you need to write one. If you do develop such a program, the XFree86 team would be interested in including it with future XFree86 releases. If you are purchasing new hardware for the purpose of using XFree86, it is suggested that you purchase an ET4000-based board such as the Orchid ProDesigner IIs. Avoid recent Diamond boards; XFree86 will not work with them, because Diamond won't provide programming details. In fact, the XFree86 project is actively not supporting new Diamond products, as long as such policies remain in effect. Contributions of code will NOT be accepted (because of the potential liabilities). If you would like to see this change, tell Diamond about it. Some people have asked if XFree86 would work with local bus or EISA video cards. Theoretically, the means of communication between the CPU and the video card is irrelevant to Xfree86 compatibility. It could be ISA, EISA, or local bus. What should matter is the chipset on the video card. Unfortunately, the developers don't have a lot of access to EISA or VLB machines, so this is largely an untested theory. However, we have yet to see any reports of things not working on one of these buses and we have several reports of Xfree86 working fine on them. 6. What about accelerated boards? At this time, there is no support in XFree86 for accelerated boards like the S3, ATI Ultra (8514/A), TIGA, etc. This support is available in commercial products from SGCS and MetroLink (for SVR3 and SVR4). An S3 server is available for 386BSD and Linux. Contact for 386BSD or for Linux. A beta 8514/A server is available for Linux. Contact or . Note: these servers are NOT part of XFree86. 7. Why doesn't XFree86 support 16-color VGA modes? The reason that this is not supported is the way VGA implements the 16-color modes. In 256-color modes, each byte of frame buffer memory contains 1 pixel. But the 16-color modes are implemented as bit- planes. Each byte of frame- buffer memory contains 1 bit from each of each of 8 pixels, and there are four such planes. The MIT frame- buffer code is not designed to deal with this. If VGA handled 16-color modes by packing 2 4-bit pixels into each byte, the MIT code could be modified to support this (or it already may; I'm not sure). But for the VGA way of doing things, a complete new frame-buffer implementation is required. Some beta testers are looking into this, but nothing is yet available from the project. 8. What other hardware or software requirements are there? Obviously, a supported SVGA board and OS are required. To run X efficiently, 12-16MB of memory should be considered a minimum. The various binary releases take 10-40MB of disk space, depending on the OS (e.g. whether or not it supports shared libraries). To build from sources, at least 80MB of free disk space will be required, although 120MB should be considered a comfortable lower bound. 9. Where can I get source for XFree86? Source patches for the current version (1.2, based on X11R5 PL22 from MIT), are available via anonymous FTP from: export.lcs.mit.edu (under /contrib/XFree86) ftp.physics.su.oz.au (under /XFree86) ftp.win.tue.nl (under /pub/XFree86) (For the rest of this FAQ, these 3 location will be called $FTP) Refer to the README file under the specified directory for information on which files you need to get to build your distribution. 10. Where can I get binaries for XFree86? Binaries are available via anonymous FTP from: ftp.physics.su.oz.au - SVR4 binaries under /XFree86/SVR4 ftp.win.tue.nl - SVR4 binaries under /pub/XFree86/SVR4 ferkel.ucsb.edu - SVR4 binaries under /pub/SVR4/XFree86 stasi.bradley.edu - SVR4 binaries under /pub/XFree86/SVR4 blancmange.ma.utexas.edu - SVR3 (ISC) binaries under /pub/ISC ftp.prz.tu-berlin.de - SVR3 (ISC) binaries under /pub/pc/isc/XFree86 tsx-11.mit.edu - Linux binaries under /pub/linux/packages/X11 agate.berkeley.edu - 386BSD binaries under /pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86 ftp.cs.uwm.edu - Mach binaries under /i386 Ensure that you are getting XFree86 1.2 - some of these sites may archive older releases as well. Each binary distribution will contain a README file that describes what files you need to take from the archive, and which compile-time option selections were made when building the distribution. IV) What general things should I know about running XFree86? 11. Installation directories The top-level installation directory is specified by the ProjectRoot (/usr/X386, by default) variable in config/site.def. Binaries, include files, and libraries are installed in $ProjectRoot/{bin,include,lib}. This can be changed when rebuilding from sources, and can be modified via symbolic links for those OSs that support them. This directory is nonstandard, and was chosen this way to allow XFree86 to be installed alongside a commercial/vendor-supplied X implementation. 12. Configuration files The XFree86 server reads a configuration file (""Xconfig"") on startup. The search path, contents and syntax for this file are documented in the server manpage, which should be consulted before asking questions. 13. Determining VGA dot clocks and monitor modes David E Wexelblat (dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com) maintains a database of known clock settings for VGA cards and monitor settings. The database is installed in /usr/X386/lib/X11/etc/modeDB.txt, and is in the source tree under mit/server/ddx/x386/etc. This database is also available from him (for the latest copy), and is kept on export.lcs.mit.edu in ~/contrib/X386.modeDB.Z, which is updated occasionally. Obtain a copy of this database. It just might have the settings you need. If you create new settings, please send them to David for inclusion in the database. If this doesn't help you, the VideoModes.doc (by Eric Raymond) file with XFree86 contains tutorials on how to come up with these timings. It may be helpful to start with settings that almost work, and use this description to get them right. When you do, send the information to David Wexelblat for inclusion in the database. NOTE: The old 'clock.exe' program is not supported any more, and is completely unnecessary. If you need to determine dot clock values for a new board, remove the 'Clocks' line from your Xconfig file (if present), and start the server. The server will probe for clocks itself and print them out. You can use these values to put a 'Clocks' line into your Xconfig file, which is not necessary, but will speed up starting the server in the future. 14. Rebuilding/reconfiguring the server from the link kit If you have installed the server Binary Link Kit, it is possible to reconfigure the drivers and font renderers in the server. This is fully explained in the README file that is available with the link kit. V) What OS-specific things should I know about running XFree86? First of all, the server must be installed suid-root (mode 4755). 15. SVR4 Why won't my xterm run properly? If your kernel is not built with the consem module, you should define CONSEM=no in you environment. Otherwise xterm won't run. csh users should use 'setenv CONSEM no' The Esix console driver patch 403019 is known to cause keymapping problems with XFree86. It recommended that this patch not be installed. Alternatively they keymap can be fixed with xmodmap. 16. SVR3 Make sure you look at $FTP/README.ISC, if that's what you are running. 17. 386BSD Make sure you look at $FTP/README.386BSD. Also, a separate 386BSD FAQ is maintained by Richard Murphey . The latest version should be available in the file XFree86-1.2-386BSD-FAQ at the following ftp sites: agate.berkeley.edu:/pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2 wuarchive.wustl.edu:/mirrors4/386bsd/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2 grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr:pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/XFree86-1.2 18. Linux You must be running Linux 0.97pl4 or greater, and have the 4.1 gcc jump libraries installed. Make sure the binaries X386, X386mono, xload and xterm are setuid root. If your kernel doesn't have TCP support compiled in, you'll have to run the server as ""X -pn"". The default startup configuration assumes that TCP is not available. If it is, change the two files /usr/X386/bin/startx and /usr/X386/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers, removing the -pn argument to X386. Make sure /dev/console is either a link to /dev/tty0 or has the major number 4, minor number 0. Also note that if /dev/console is not owned by the user running X, then xconsole and xterm will not permit console output redirection. Xdm will properly change the owner, but startx won't. When running xdm from rc.local, you will need to provide it with a tty, for example ""xdm < /dev/console &"". For more detailed information, please read the file README present with the distribution on tsx-11.mit.edu. 19. Mach Make sure you look at $FTP/README.Mach. VI) What things should I know for building XFree86 from source? This section has been removed from the FAQ, since it is fully explained in $FTP/README and the OS-specific READMEs. Please look at those files for information on building XFree86. VII) Is there anything special about building clients with XFree86? 20. BSD compatibility library A lot of clients make use of BSD functions like bcopy(), etc. The default configuration files are set up to link with libXbsd.a which contains emulation for bcopy(), bzero(), bcmp(), ffs(), random(), seed(). A better way of providing the 'b' functions is to include in source files that call them. Xfuncs.h provides macro definitions for these in terms of the SYSV 'mem' functions. If you are linking with a vendor supplied library which calls some of these functions, then you should link with libXbsd.a 21. ANSICCOPTIONS This is something that was added to allow a developer to get rid of the ANSI-ness defined in the default CCOPTIONS without having to rewrite the entire CCOPTIONS line. For example, with stock MIT, you'd see something like CCOPTIONS=""-ansi -O2 -fwritable-strings"" and to get rid of the ANSI-ness, the developer would have to put CCOPTIONS=""-O2 -fwritable-strings"" in his Imakefile. With this change, you would see a default of ANSICCOPTIONS=""-ansi"" CCOPTIONS=""-O2 -fwritable-strings"" and all the developer would have to put in the Imakefile is: ANSICCOPTIONS= to get rid of the ANSI-ness (many X clients will die a horrible death with -ansi). The effect is even more dramatic in practice, because CCOPTIONS is actually quite complex. The other issue is that one must add 'ANSICCOPTIONS=$(ANSICCOPTIONS)' to a PassCDebugFlags definition. XFree86 Contact Information Ongoing development planning and support is coordinated by the XFree86 Core Team. At this time the Core Team consists of: The original ""gang of four"": David Dawes Glenn Lai Jim Tsillas David Wexelblat Those supporting non-SYSV operating systems: Robert Baron [Mach] Rich Murphey [386BSD] Orest Zborowski [Linux] e-mail sent to will reach all of the core team. -------------------------------------------------- Thanks to all the people who already sent me corrections or additions, especially David Wexelblat (one of the major contributors of updates). -- Steve Kotsopoulos P.Eng. mail: steve@ecf.toronto.edu Systems Analyst bitnet: steve@ecf.UTORONTO.BITNET Engineering Computing Facility uucp: uunet!utai!ecf!steve University of Toronto phone: (416) 978-5898 " 9043,5,"From: cverond@nyx.cs.du.edu (Cristiano Verondini) Subject: Image plotting source code needed Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 7 Hi, I'm looking for source sample on how to create a window with an image in it (actually a 2dim matrix of unsigned char). Any help will be appreciated! :)) " 9044,3,"From: kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) Subject: How hot should the cpu be? Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory Distribution: na Lines: 15 How hot should the CPU in a 486-33 DX machine be? Currently it gets so hot that I can not hold a finger on it for more than 0.5 s. I keep a big fan blowing on it, but am considering using a heat sink. Any advice? -- Chris Kushmerick kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov --I found my niche in life, I just didn't fit in. " 9045,19,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Burden of Proof Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr21.182030.888@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >Actually, both are positive arguments. (""Positive"" may not be the best >description here due to possible misunderstanding, but it's the term you >used.) Positive arguments/assertions can be both affirmative (i.e. God >exists) and negative (i.e. God does not exist). Both carry an equal >burden of proof because they are both asserting that a certain idea >is true. The default condition, in the absence of a preponderance of >evidence either way, is that the proposition or assertion is undecidable. >And the person who takes the undecidable position and says that he/she >simply disbelieves that the proposition is true, is the only one who >holds no burden of proof. This is why the so-called ""weak atheist"" >position is virtually unassailable -- not because it stands on a firm >foundation of logical argument, but because it's proponents simply >disbelieve in the existence of God(s) and therefore they hold no burden >of proof. When you don't assert anything, you don't have to prove >anything. That's where weak atheism draws its strength. But its >strength is also its Achilles' heel. Without assertions/axioms, one >has no foundation upon which to build. As a philosophy, it's virtually >worthless. IMO, of course. So, if I were to assert that there are no thousand year old invisible pink unicorns* residing in my walls, I need to support this with evidence? I think the _lack_ of evidence shall suffice. * Who happen to like listening to satanic messages found in playing Beethoven's 45th symphony backwards. --- ""FBI officials said cult leader David Koresh may have forced followers to remain as flames closed in. Koresh's armed guard may have injected as many as 24 children with poison to quiet them."" - ""And God saw everything he had made, and, behold, in was very good."" Genesis 1:31 " 9046,16,"From: awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 115 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes: : The issue has never been whether tanks were used in Detroit in 1967. It : has been whether they fired their main guns. Never? This is incorrect. Either you don't read very well or resort to falsehoods in an attempt to make a point. At the risk of boring and belaboring the point, my claim was the chain was regarding the tanks ""last used in Detroit in 48"". The text follows. : You did not merely claim that : tanks were used--you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress : sniper fire and that they were ""quite"" effective at this. Indeed, when Coffman claimed they were only used as APCs, I did say I had been told they did fire their main guns. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : You continue to : back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is : disputing. Well, the poster who I responded to did dispute the use of tanks post-48. Rude of you to call Gary Coffman a nobody. : ""Well, it's not the main gun."" Gee, that's only the entire point. Are you : now going to admit that you were wrong? That was the entire point to *you*. What exactly did I claim? -------------------------------------------------- ""I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns to respond to sniper fire. Quite effectively."" -------------------------------------------------- I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions. If you're paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard. That helps people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words, ""bullshit filters"". Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood. What was it I claimed as fact? Here's the entire post: -------------------------------------------------- >We haven't used tanks against the black ghettos since Detroit 1948. Correction. I know they used tanks in Detroit 1968. I saw em, it was well covered in the news at that time. Gordon Lightfoot mentions it in his song ""Black Day in July"". -------------------------------------------------- Since you don't dispute that and claim that nobody else does, that means I was right. : I will never read of tanks firing their main guns in Detroit in the '67 : riots. There is simply no way that such an event could have taken place : without it being common knowledge even 26 years later. The American : military firing shells from tanks in American cities on blacks would have : been *big* news. So one would suppose. Some folks think in happened in 48. Awesley goes on: You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers. : To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion : grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be : perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since : it makes your other claim seem more plausible. John, again, strawman techniques. Do you feel you're losing it so you have to stretch what I said and knock that down? What I read said nothing about what they fired. And so I put nothing in there. If you need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a while. You're not scoring here, you're boring here. : If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been : screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about : it. Glad to know you're such an expert. Nice to hear some an authority. I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it had happened, you would have know it. Since you are such an authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot. Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300. The offical number is 43 but the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was ""several"". I've also heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them. You'd assert that I claimed they were truth. : Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the difference between Army and Guard troops. Or so I recall from 26 years ago. And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks. So it would have been an Army cover-up. Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building were burnt, some were in rubble. Based on what I remember, I was and am inclined to believe an old sarge or two. : If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I prefer : to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that : those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them. Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe that they did fire their guns. Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the account I cited. : --John L. Scott -- wes " 9047,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <1q6rie$mo2@access.digex.net> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes: >So, why are the scans so expensive, and what can be done to reduce the >expense? Isn't it just a box with some big magnets, a radio transmitter, >and an attached PC? The magnets are huge! Good MRI sets with big (>1.5 Tesla) magnets cost millions of dollars. Then, the radiologist wants $400 for reading each scan. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9048,5,"From: inoue@crd.yokogawa.co.jp (Inoue Takeshi) Subject: How to see characterset from wchar_t Nntp-Posting-Host: emu Distribution: comp Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan Lines: 137 We developed a toolkit running on the X Window System. The toolkit copes with any languages based on X11R5's i18n facility. As you know, there are 2 kinds of i18n implementation from MIT's X11R5 release -- Xsi and Ximp. Our original implementation of the toolkit uses Xsi. Our toolkit manages each character's size based on our own font management system. In order to do that, the 'wchar_t' typed character strings must be decomposed to character sets. This means that if one wchar_t type compound string with ASCII and Kanji mixed, for example, is given, each element of the wchar_t array must be checked its corresponding character set based on a bit layout and application environment's locale. In this case if the locale is 'japanese', each wchar_t character will be classified either to iso8859-1, jisx0208 or so. We need a function to do this. The function must check how many characters from the top are the same character set and what the character set is. We could not find any public X11R5 function to do that and inevitably, used Xsi's internal functions to construct that function. The following is the source code of that function 'decomposeCharacterSet()'. //I18N.h // This may look like C code, but it is really -*- C++ -*- // $Id: I18N.h,v 1.1 1992/01/21 12:05:24 iima Exp iima $ #ifndef _I18N_H #define _I18N_H #include extern int decomposeCharacterSet(const wchar_t *wc_str, /* IN */ int wc_len, /* IN */ char *buf, /* OUT */ int *buflen, /* IN/OUT */ int *scanned_len, /* OUT */ char **charset); /* OUT */ extern XmString wcharToXmString(const wchar_t *wc_str); extern XmStringCharSet charsetOfWchar(const wchar_t wc); #endif /* _I18N_H */ //I18N.cc /* $Id: I18N.cc,v 1.1 1992/01/21 12:05:05 iima Exp $ */ #include #include #include #include ""I18N.h"" extern ""C"" { #include #define _XwcDecomposeGlyphCharset XXX_XwcDecomposeGlyphCharset #define _Xmbfscs XXX_Xmbfscs #define _Xmbctidtocsid XXX_Xmbctidtocsid #include ""Xlocaleint.h"" #undef _XwcDecomposeGlyphCharset #undef _Xmbfscs #undef _Xmbctidtocsid extern int _XwcDecomposeGlyphCharset(XLocale, const wchar_t*, int, char*, int*, int*, int*); extern Charset *_Xmbfscs(XLocale, _CSID); extern _CSID _Xmbctidtocsid(XLocale, _CSID); }; int decomposeCharacterSet(const wchar_t *wc_str,/* IN */ int wc_len, /* IN */ char *buf, /* OUT */ int *buf_len, /* IN/OUT */ int *scanned_len, /* OUT */ char **charset) /* OUT */ { XLocale xlocale = _XFallBackConvert(); int ctid; int status; Charset *xcharset; status = _XwcDecomposeGlyphCharset(xlocale, wc_str, wc_len, buf, buf_len, scanned_len, &ctid); if (status == Success) { xcharset = _Xmbfscs(xlocale, _Xmbctidtocsid(xlocale, ctid)); *charset = (xcharset) ? xcharset->cs_name : NULL; } else *charset = NULL; return status; } ---------------- An included file above, ""Xlocaleint.h"", is also Xsi internal and we copied the file to the toolkit directory and compiled. A serious issue occured when we tried to compile a toolkit application on our HP machine with its OS version of HP-UX9.01. When we tried to link an application based on our toolkit, link errors occured saying that the following functions are missing: _Xmbctidtocsid (code) _Xmbfscs (code) _XwcDecomposeGlyphCharset (code) _XFallBackConvert (code) We had used MIT release version of X11R5 and its Xsi implementation until HP-UP9.0 and ran applications successfully. One of the reasons to use Xsi was that because HP did not release HP's X11R5 until the OS 9.0 and we had no way to know how HP's R5 would be implemented. We had hoped Xsi's popularity and used its internal functions. The HP's linker complains that there are no Xsi internal functions implemented. We observe from HP's libX11.a, they used some Ximp implementation but we are not sure if they used MIT's vanilla Ximp version or their own version of Ximp and therefore, finding just counter part functions in MIT's Ximp for Xsi does not seem to lead us a solution. My question and goal is to know how we can construct a function like 'decomposeCharacterset()' listed above. Is there any function to check character set of each element of wchar_t type strings depending on locales? If it is a public function, that is perfect but even if it is not, we want to use any internal functions in HP's X11R5 as we did for MIT's R5. In order to render a 'wchar_t' type string, there must be some machinery to judge character sets and that is how the proper fonts are selected for the string. We have no way to find out that without any HP's X11R5 source files. We want to know how we can use that for our goal. Any help or comments would be highly appreciated. I also appreciate if anyone tell me about Ximp treating around this area even if it is not HP's implementation. Thank you. -- Takeshi Inoue inoue@crd.yokogawa.co.jp Yokogawa Electric Corporation Open Systems Laboratory 0422(52)5557 " 9049,5,"From: rvloon@cv.ruu.NL (Ronald van Loon) Subject: Announcing the Motif++ mailing list Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group Lines: 132 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu Keywords: mailinglist, motif++ To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu I am glad and proud to announce the new mailing-list for the PD Motif C++ bindings. I got over 40 replies in about one week of people interested in such a list, and the software has now been properly installed, so the list is now up and running. For those interested in joining, please send e-mail to that extend to 'motif++-request@cv.ruu.nl' or 'rvloon@cv.ruu.nl'. The blurb everyone who joins gets follows, as well as the original announcement for where Motif++ can be obtained. Enjoy! 8< - 8< - Welcome to the Motif++ Mailing List! The Motif++ mailing list is a mailing list dedicated to Motif++, the PD C++ wrapper library for Motif, where people can ask questions about Motif++, swap stories, and give new ideas about new directions and improvements for the bindings. All requests of an administrative nature, like subscription, removal, etc. should be directed to motif++-request@cv.ruu.nl All e-mail sent to motif++@cv.ruu.nl will be sent to the entire list, so please make sure when using 'vacation' type programs that will reply to messages automatically, that the address for the mailing-list is excluded from auto-replies. Enjoy! Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice. 3DCV Group, Utrecht | The Netherlands | In practice however, there is. 8< - 8< - Hello Motif World, over the past half year there have been a lot of relatively minor changes to the Motif++ bindings. Imake support has been improved, a few defaults have been changed, and a lot of other small things have been added. This is basically a release which drops the 'gamma' status. Next release will incorporate some improvements by Stefan Schwarz, and possibly will support X11R5 and Motif 1.2.x. Note to all of those who keep copies of the archive: please retrieve this distribution (during off-peak hours), and delete all previous copies. Here is the original ANNOUNCEMENT: HISTORY The University of Lowell, supported by a grant of the Open Software Foundation, has developed a wrapper-library, that encapsulates Motif widgets in C++ classes. All resources of these Widgets can now be set through member-functions, while objects can be used in callback-functions. The library was made available for free or nominal cost for anonymous ftp at 129.63.1.1. However, the library contained a large number of bugs and oversights, and only worked under X11R3. Due to lack of subsequent fundings, the bindings are no longer actively supported by the University of Lowell. I, Ronald van Loon, at a certain point last year, have taken the Lowell bindings, fixing the bugs I came across, adding missing memberfunctions, and enhancing functionality and made the bug-fixed library available for the general public for anonymous ftp (made possible by Rick Murphy at DEC). NEW RELEASE I am now pleased to announce a new and updated release of the Motif++ bindings. This release offers: - Full Motif1.1 and X11R4 support - Support for Xbae widgetset - Two additional widgets, written by myself, that can be used to indicate progress in an application. - Imake support. NB: this release relies heavily on the existence of imake and its config files on your site. I have tried to provide the bindings with a standard Makefile, tweakable for those unfortunates without imake. I have not severely tested the standard Makefile though. Contact me if you have problems. The reason for calling this a gamma release lies in the fact that I do not have a multitude of platforms to test the Imake-files on. - Lots of testfiles (even somewhat useful programs) - An article I wrote on the usage of Motif, X and C++, previously posted on Usenet. WHERE TO GET THE NEW MOTIF BINDINGS Ftp: Anonymous ftp at decuac.dec.com (192.5.214.1), directory /pub/X11. Note: Please be patient as the network link is quite slow. Please do not FTP large files during working hours. Also note that there is also a motif++.31.jan.92.tar.Z file at this site; this is an old version of the bindings. E-mail: Those who don't have ftp can send me e-mail, and I will send the bindings by e-mail. REQUEST Those who use the bindings and find bugs, or see room for improvement, please contact me, and I will try to incorporate them in a future release (in case of bugs, a bug-fix of course ;-). MORE INFORMATION Contact me at ""rvloon@cv.ruu.nl"". If you are desperate, then you can call me at +31 30 506711 (that is Utrecht, the Netherlands; those within the Netherlands call 030-506711). Enjoy! -- Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice. 3DCV Group, Utrecht | The Netherlands | In practice however, there is. " 9050,13,"From: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: RESULT: sci.life-extension passes 237:28 Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 284 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net The vote to create the proposed group, Sci.life-extension, was affirmative. Yes votes: 237. No votes: 28. What follows is a list of the people who voted, by vote (""no"" or ""yes""). Here are the people who voted NO: bailey@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey) barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu (Edwin Barkdoll) msb@sq.com (Mark Brader) carr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Dave Carr) desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins) jbh@Anat.UMSMed.Edu (James B. Hutchins) rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz) lau@ai.sri.com (Stephen Lau) plebrun@minf8.vub.ac.be (Philippe Lebrun) jmaynard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard) emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) smarry@zooid.guild.org (Marc Moorcroft) dmosher@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Mosher) ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu (Herbert M Petro) smith-una@YALE.EDU (Una Smith) mmt@RedBrick.COM (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS) urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) ac999266@umbc.edu (a Francis Uy) werner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu (John Werner) wick@netcom.com (Potter Wickware) ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury) D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk (D. Wright) yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU (Norman Yarvin) ask@cblph.att.com spm2d@opal.cs.virginia.edu Here are the people who voted YES: FSSPR@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU (Hardcore Alaskan) kalex@eecs.umich.edu (Ken Alexander) ph600fht@sdcc14.UCSD.EDU (Alex Aumann) franklin.balluff@Syntex.Com (Franklin Balluff) barash@umbc.edu (Mr. Steven Barash) build@alan.b30.ingr.com (Alan Barksdale (build)) lion@TheRat.Kludge.COM (John H. 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Mozumder ) writes: > In article <1993Apr11.145519.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: >> >>There's a way around that via the hadith, which state that silence is >>taken to mean ""yes"" and that women may not speak before a judge, who >>must conduct the marriage. > > Actaully, that's a false hadith, because it contradicts verses in the > Quran, that says women may testify- speak before a judge. > > Hadiths are declared false when they contradict the Quran. Hadiths > weren't written during the revelation or during the life of the prophet, > and so may contain errors. So the only way you can tell a false hadith from a true one is if it contradicts the Quran? What if it relates to something that isn't explicitly spelled out in the Quran? Also, the Quran wasn't written down during the life of Muhammed either. It wasn't long after, but 20 years or so is still long enough to shift a few verses around. Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ""Lastly, I come to China in the hope | ""All you touch and all you see | | of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be."" | | dropping acid on the Great Wall."" --Duke | --Pink Floyd | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9052,1,"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) Subject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?! Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and is called ""grfwk61t.zip."" This program should od everthing you need. -- TMC (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) " 9053,13,"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Gordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote: : In article <3794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes: : > : >: From a business point of view, it might make sense. It depends on : >: the personality of the practitioner. If he can charm the patients : >: into coming, homeopathy can be very profitable. It won't be covered : >: by insurance, however. Just keep that in mind. Myself, I'd have : >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > : >In many European countries Homepathy is accepted as a method of curing : >(or at least alleiating) many conditions to which modern medicine has : >no answer. In most of these countries insurance pays for the : >treatments. : > : Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people : in every country who waste time and money on quackery. : In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. : What are ""most of these countries?"" I don't believe you. In Holland insurences pay for Homeopathic treatment. In Germany they do so as well. I Austria they do if you have a condition which can not be helped by ""normal"" medicine (happened to me). Switzerland seems to be the same as Austria (I have direct experience in the Swiss case). At the Univeristy of Vienna (I believe Innsbruck as well) homeopathy can be taken in Med. school. I found that in combination with Acupuncture it changed my life from living hell to a condition which enables me to lead a relatively normal life. I found that modern medicine was powerless to cure me of a *severe* case of Neurodermitis (Note: I mean cure, not surpress the symptoms, which is what modern medicine attempts to do in the case of Neurodermitis). I'm not saying that Homeopathy is scientific, but that it can offer help in areas in which modern medicine is absolutely helpless. From reading your aritcle it seems that your have some deeply rooted beliefs about this issue (this is not intended to be offensive or sarcastic - it just sounded like that to me) which makes me doubt if you can read this with an open mind. If you do/can, please excuse my last comment. ---> Robert rgasch@nl.oracle.com " 9054,11,"From: pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) Subject: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Okay, let's suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered Key system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in chip and the government has the key to every phone call. I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. What's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the secret key registered under my name isn't the right one. That leads me to conjecture that: 1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys that work for all the phones in the country. The part about registering your keys is just bogus. or 2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to town. In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 " 9055,2,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? In-Reply-To: ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 06:28:02 GMT Lines: 22 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: > Dear friend, > The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has > small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase > the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about > computer architecture for more information about RISC. RISC used to mean ""Reduced Instruction Set Computer"", true. They still use the same acronym, but only to be familiar. What RISC really means is a recently-designed CPU. :-) In general, most RISC CPUs are like this: A large number (32 or more) of general-purpose registers A fixed instruction size, usually 32 bits An instruction may make only one memory reference Memory references must be aligned There are delayed branches (branch after the next instruction) or a target prediction bit (probably will/won't branch) Instructions may complete out of order relative to the instruction stream -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... " 9056,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Juggling Dodgers Lines: 26 In article , mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) says: > >Lasorda juggled his lineup against the Pirates Friday night, and from >the results one might conclude that he will stick with the changes >for a while. > >Butler reclaimed leadoff spot, probably for the whole season >Davis wants to get his speed into play. 4-for-4 last night >Piazza the kid is doing *everything* well. very well. >Strawberry the primadonna insists on batting cleanup how do you know this? did lasorda say, before the game, ""here's the lineup i'm using. i'm batting strawman fourth because the primadonna insists on batting cleanup""? if this is true (note that i don't think it is), lasorda should be fired for at least two reasons: 1) publicly humiliating his players; 2) knuckling under to his players wishes. however, i think that the more likely explanation is that lasorda wanted strawberry to bat fourth, and that you hate strawberry. bob vesterman. " 9057,15,"From: ss6349@csc.albany.edu (Steven H. Schimmrich) Subject: Looking for Christians in Urbana, Illinois... Distribution: usa Organization: Department of Geological Sciences, SUNY at Albany Lines: 12 I apologize if this post isn't entirely appropriate for the newsgroup. I would like to correspond with any Christians attending the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I will be transfering there in August to complete my Ph.D. and I thought it would be nice to correspond with people before I moved out. -- Steven H. Schimmrich Department of Geological Sciences ""Non semper ss6349@csc.albany.edu State University of New York at Albany ea sunt quae ss6349@albnyvms.bitnet Albany, New York 12222 (518) 442-4466 videntur."" " 9058,1,"From: haberj@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Haber Joerg) Subject: ray tracing spline surfaces Keywords: ray tracing, splines Originator: haberj@sunbulirsch4.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 17 Hi net! Due to further investigation I would like to study the following article: Peterson, ""Ray tracing general B-Splines"", Proc. ACM Mountain Regional Conference, April 1986 Unfortunately I didn't find it in any library's register. If there is anyone having access to this paper or knowing about a library containing those proceedings (preferrably in Germany), please let me know! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks a lot, Joerg Haber -- Joerg Haber haberj@mathematik.tu-muenchen.de Mathematisches Institut TU Muenchen " 9059,10,"From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (""Matthew J. Rush"") Subject: Re: Sad day for hockey Article-I.D.: Virginia.1993Apr6.172016.212 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 50 dvb@ick writes: > > 1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your > body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. I've never seen a game where one player has committed 5 penalties. Something like this would require more attention by the referee. > > 2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the > current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you > are thrown out of the game, and fined. > > 3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot > is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. > > Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties > in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, > until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in > the act of shooting when the foul ocured. > > This works well for several reasons. First, penalty shots are the most > exciting thing in hockey, right? So, it follows that the more the better. > Next, when the player is setting up for a penalty shot, the network can > take a commercial. Finally, with only three penalties, the network > announcers (Don Meredith, Dick Vitale, John Madden, Pat Summerall, and > Marv Levy, among others) will be able to tell the viewers what happened before > the PA announcer says it. > But you're creating a scoring opportunity where there might not have been one before. I can see the relationship between free throws awarded after a certain number of fouls, but it's obviously easier to score in basketball, there are more opportunities. If a basketball team scores 100 points, that's at least fifty chances made. The average number of shots taken by each team in a hockey game (and this is a total guess) is probably around 40, and a team is lucky to capitalize on maybe 5 of them. You have some good ideas concerning the other penalties, but I think that a player should be awarded a penalty shot only when they had a chance to score and was interfered with. Also, later in the post, you talked about how boring the NBA game you attended was, that play was stopped too often. Wouldn't your penalty shot rule take up more time during a hockey game? Matt att UVA " 9060,10,"From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Subject: Division by zero error in JACK NICKALUS TOURNAMENT GOLF Article-I.D.: oz.1993Apr6.172218.21494 Reply-To: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 17 I was playing this golf game and something interesting happened. On the 7th hole, I drove the ball down the fairway, when the ball was in mid-flight, the game completely froze. A couple seconds later, the screen went completely black, with an error message in large ""Bubble"" letters that said DIVISION BY ZERO. I thought it was funny considering I am a computer programmer, and I had never seen an error like this on an actual video game system like Sega or Nintendo (or even Atari or Intellevision years ago). Oh yeah, after the message, there was also what must have been an address, in hexadecimal. I forget the exact hex code that was given. HAS THIS HAPPENED TO ANYONE ELSE??? It must have, my game shouldn't have been the only one to do this. Thanks Randy PSC r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu " 9061,11,"From: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: re: WH announcement Reply-To: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 70 Nntp-Posting-Host: sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu Cc: tuinstra Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Congress?? So we're playing politics before we talk to CPSR, academia, the public, internet users? I`ve heard of top-down design, but top-down democracy?? [Just whose state/district are the chip manufacturers in?] Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. [...bs about the wonderfulness of the key escrow system...] The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); They'll just provide an easily-compromised version to JQ Public. nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" Maybe we need a CRA -- Cryptographic Rights Amendment. There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Nice lullaby. But why am I not soothed? ---------------- Also, In article 15472@leland.Stanford.EDU, arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) writes: >P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell >them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, >so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling >anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will >notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. > Why repeat themselves? It appears to some (and the story looks pretty convincing to me, too) that the Justice Department stole a case-tracking system, modified it, and distributed it to ""friendly"" police and suchlike agencies around the world, eg. the Canadian Mounties. Of course, I have no doubt they swore Scout's Honor that there were no backdoors. With that kind of intelligence, who'd want to be swamped with terabytes of commercial traffic? +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ " 9062,19,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Distribution: world Lines: 38 What an exciting thread (finally!) Mitra is Sanskrit for Friend, as such He started out as an avatar of Lord Visnu mentioned first in the Vedas. Later he seems to have risen to chief prominence worshipped by the Persians. Associated with the Sun but NOT the Sun, he is the lord of contract honor and obedience, therefore naturally worshipped by soldiers. He was ordered by the Sun to slay the bull of heaven and He reluct- antly agreed because of His obligation...the blood of that bull spilled and grew all earth life...then Mitra and the Sun sat down to eat. Worship of Lord Mitra ended in Persia with the ascension of the Zoroastrians. Hundreds of years later He was rediscovered and thrown into the Official Roman Pantheon (tm) for some semi-tricky reason, I forget why. But all references of Him ended abruptly when He was stricken from same, so apparently His worship was some sort of vehicle for advancement in the bureaucracy, like membership in the Communist Party was in the Soviet Bloc. The sociology of religion in ancient times is fascinating! Oh, His B-day was 25 Dec. Ahem. I am not sure if the mystery cult really lasted after His was booted from the Roman Imperial God Roster or what. It contained mostly soldiers, with 7 levels of initiation. They worshipped underground in caverns in pews. The bull horns in those temples were for scaring away or impaling evil spirits, I'm not sure that they had Mithraic significance or not. I don't know that the ritual meal was of a cannibalistic nature as is the Christian masses. But eating deities goes way back to Old Kingdom Egypt. Someone mentioned bullfighting. Did Mithraists sacrifice bulls? I forget. More likely, for a religious source, might be the shower of bull's blood enjoyed by the worshippers of Cybele on the Day of Blood? Cybele worship extended all throughout even up to France bigtime. ------- CHARLES HOPE A54SI@CUNYVM A54SI@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU GOVERNMENT BY REPORTERS...MEDIA-OCRACY. " 9063,1,"From: pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Nntp-Posting-Host: hutcs.cs.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr19.234409.18303@kpc.com> jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) writes: >In article , ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes: >|> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double >|> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. >|> >|> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, > >There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of >Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of >the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the >reference here with me. Stone, DeRose: Geometric characterization of parametric cubic curves. ACM Trans. Graphics 8 (3) (1989) 147 - 163. Manocha, Canny: Detecting cusps and inflection points in curves. Computer aided geometric design 9 (1992) 1-24. Pekka Siltanen " 9064,3,"From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) Subject: Fujitsu and Seagate IDE Drive Compatibility Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK Lines: 17 I've been trying to get my Fujitsu M2611T 45mb hard disk (circa 1990) to share my IDE card with a new Seagate ST3283A 245mb one. I've tried fiddling the jumpers to set the master and slave drives without any success [without the table of hard drive specs from this newsgroup I couldn't have got that far]. Has anyone else got this combination to work. The place I got the new one muttered something like ""Hmmm Fujitsu, nice drives, not very compatible."" He'll let me swap the Seagate for another brand but he thought it was more a problem with the Fujitsu. So has anyone got a similar Fujitsu drive to work with another cheapish disk ... or want to buy a cute and cuddly little Fujitsu drive ? Andrew Henry bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk " 9065,1,"From: lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu Subject: Re: comp.graphics.programmer Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities Lines: 68 Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.circa.ufl.edu In article , andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) writes: |>Hello netters |> |>Sorry, I don't know if this is the right way of doing this kind of thing, |>probably should be a CFV, but since I don't have tha ability to create a |>news group myself, I just want to start the discussion. |> |>I enjoy reading c.g very much, but I often find it difficult to sort out what |>I'm interested in. Everything from screen-drivers, graphics cards, graphics |>programming and graphics programs are discused here. What I'd like is a |>comp.graphics.programmer news group. |>What do you other think. This sounds wonderful, but it seems no one either wants to spend time doing this, or they don't have the power to do so. For example, I would like to see a comp.graphics architecture like this: comp.graphics.algorithms.2d comp.graphics.algorithms.3d comp.graphics.algorithms.misc comp.graphics.hardware comp.graphics.misc comp.graphics.software/apps However, that is almost overkill. Something more like this would probably make EVERYONE a lot happier: comp.graphics.programmer comp.graphics.hardware comp.graphics.apps comp.graphics.misc It would be nice to see specialized groups devote to 2d, 3d, morphing, raytracing, image processing, interactive graphics, toolkits, languages, object systems, etc. but these could be posted to a relevant group or have a mailing list organized. That way when someone reads news they don't have to see these subject headings, which are rather disparate: System specific stuff ( should be under comp.sys or comp.os.???.programmer ): ""Need help programming GL"" ""ModeX programming information?"" ""Fast sprites on PC"" Hardware technical stuff: ""Speed of Weitek P9000"" ""Drivers for SpeedStar 24X"" Applications oriented stuff: ""VistaPro 3.0 help"" ""How good is 3dStudio?"" ""Best image processing program for Amiga"" Programming oriented stuff: ""Fast polygon routine needed"" ""Good morphing alogirhtm wanted"" ""Best depth sort for triangles?"" ""Which C++ library to get?"" I wish someone with the power would get a CFD and then a CFV going on this stuff....this newsgroup needs it. Brian " 9066,3,"From: brad@ravel.udel.edu (Brad Cain) Subject: Actix GRAPHICSengine 32plus Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 18 I just bought an actix graphics engine 32 plus with 2 megs. I am not impressed... I have been having all sorts of problems with the board. Various lock-ups in windows, problems with the screen not centering, no flexibilty in choosing synch rates for a monitor, buggy windows drivers, lack of 1024x768x64k driver, If anyone else has one of these cards, please e-mail me... Looks like i'm going to try the ati ultra plus... -- **************************************************************************** brad@bach.udel.edu Brad Cain N3NAF cain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu University of Delaware Electrical Engineering cain@freezer.cns.udel.edu ""Blah, blah, blah"" alt.blah " 9067,8,"Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) Organization: InForm Group Ltd. Lines: 23 In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > > Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock > it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... CONGRAULATIONS !!!! Your helmet just passed the Snell Test. > So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and > repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. Oh well, as least it looks ok now. Still, it may not save your head as well as before you dropped it. Mike ################################################### # Mike Seales Yamaha XJ600 (same as FJ600) # # Inform Group Ltd. DoD #0793 # # Level 8 DB Tower # # 111 The Terrace Email: homer@inform.co.nz # # Wellington Phone: 64-4-4720996 # # New Zealand Fax: 64-4-4732407 # ################################################### " 9068,4,"From: welchg@cs.unc.edu (Gregory Welch) Subject: Re: TechWorks -- What You Say? Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.cs.unc.edu Well, although this may be an uncommon occurrence (or not) I had a ""bad"" experience with TechWorks. This past summer I upgraded (increased) the memory in a powerbook and a ci. When I called to place the order for the PB RAM, I was told by the sales person that they would give me a $50 rebate if I would return the original RAM (which was also TechWorks RAM.) I followed the instructions for returning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks. Well, months went by, and no credit. After many calls (almost none of which were ever returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me ""Why we never received your old chips."" I then explained I the procedure that I had followed to return them, to which the person replied ""You mean you sent them US Mail?"" (which I had, per the original sales person's instructions.) I was told that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that I should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc. I reasoned that I had done exactly what I had been told to, but they would not budge, the people I spoke with were absolutely no help. I sent letters, copies of the original receipts, attempted to trace the package through the US mail, made *many* more phone calls to TechWorks, all to no avail (I wouldn't give-up because I was so disgusted.) Sales/support people, supervisors, there was nothing I could do to pursuade them to ""make it right."" I finally (in total disgust) wrote a letter to my credit card company, asking them to investigate the problem. Three weeks later, the credit miraculously appeared on my statement. I have not (in recent memory) been so disgusted with the service that I received from a company. In all fairness, they had no way of knowing that was not trying to rip them off, but I went to *such* great lengths to prove to them that this really happened. Oh well, c'est la vie. I will never buy another product from them again. (There - had to get that off my chest!) " 9069,11,"From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: sayshell.umd.edu In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in place. Louis Mamakos " 9070,8,"From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000? Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 30 jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes: > In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: > >Hi. > > I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for > >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US). I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from > >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape. > >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase? > > Oog. I hate to jump in on this type of thread but .... > > pass on the VF1000. It's big, top heavy, and carries lots of > expensive parts. What he said. Most of my friends refer to them as ""ground magnets."" One > ============================================================================= > |Jeff Earls jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530 KotTG KotSPT WMTC AMA > |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon | Squid Factor: 16.99 > |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy | ""Hit the button Chewie!""... Han Solo > > ""There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies."" - me -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 " 9071,19,"From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) Subject: Re: BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS and Archer Nntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com Organization: Medtronic, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 27 Jenny Anderson (jennya@well.sf.ca.us) wrote: : medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous : posting, in which I wrote: : : firmly on the western coast of the Med. You can bet IUm gonna keep this : baby : >My my my, such double standards. You neglected to give any primary sources : >for your book, _Encyclopedia of the Bible_. Are we to expect that source : >to be as unbiased as the other sources... MR. Butler *DID* give at least : >one source, you have given none. : REPLY : It was a JOKE. The Readers digest _Encyclopedia of the Bible_ was the most : outrageously bogus *authority* I could dredge from my shelves. : I was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia, rather than : original or scholarly sources is a BIG MISTAKE in procedure. I am glad : to note that Butler and DeCesno are arguing about substance now, : rather than about arguing. I guess the joke was on me... I am so used to seeing bogus stuff posted here that I assumed that yours was necessarily the same. -- Dale Skiba " 9072,14,"From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 16 Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes: ... >people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up >and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D Seen that movie already. Or one just like it. Come to think of it, they might send someone on a quest to get rid of the dang thing... >Jeff Cook Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 9073,8,"From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Subject: Re: DOT Tire date codes Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 12 In rec.motorcycles, cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out >how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced. Does >anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy? It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture. <================================================> / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ / ""I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."" \ <========================================================> " 9074,11,"From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Keywords: cooperation Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 34 In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >I'm not a lawyer, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doing that could be >considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for >quite a while. > >The thing that's great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so >even if the FBI do get the key, they're SOL unless they know the magic >word. If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say >""Oops, I forgot."" Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution >in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you >didn't forget your pass phrase. > OK, Doug is right, it would be obstruction of justice, blah blah blah, BUT, saying ""I forgot"" is a lie, which is just as bad from a moral point of view _IF_ you think ""lawfulness"" is a good in and of itself (which admittedly most people do not.) But there's an even better way out of this. PROVIDED the government is prosecuting you criminally, you can probably plead the fifth amendmeent and thus LEGALLY avoid revealing your key. The government cannot demand information from a criminal defendant which ""may tend to incriminate"" that defendant. Though this has never been applied in the cryptography context (at least as far as I can tell) it seems an obvious application to me. This may be a common suggestion in this group, but if it's not (I'm new here) I'd love to hear what people have to say about it. Since I don't really read this group (and since the subject matter is more legal than cryptoid) maybe misc.legal.computing would be an appropriate place? Steve. -- Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu ""All I did was kiss a girl."" - Jake, the night before his hanging. " 9075,1,"From: kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin) Subject: thinning algorithm Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Hi, netters I am looking for source code that can reads the ascii file or bitmap file and produced the thinned image. For example, to preprocess the character image I want to apply thinning algorithm. thanks kevin . " 9076,8,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: buying advice needed Lines: 18 I am looking for advice on buying a susuki GS1100E. does anyone out there know about any inherent flaws the bike may have or problems i should look for? what about insurance rates (is this bike blacklisted)? also, as a person who has never ridden a motorcycle yet is buying a 1100 to start off with.... am I crazy? I have been told by some people to start out small.... and by others that i am lage enough to handle an 1100 right off from the start (6'4"" 210 pounds) because some others might be a tad bit small. Oh yeah, one more question. Anybody in the chicago area know of any good instruction schools or programs where i could get aquanted before i just go buy one and kill myself getting it home. thanks, brian p.s. please email me direcly because i do not get much of a chance to read your group... thanks again.. :) " 9077,13,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 30 T(> Russell Turpin responds to article by Ron Roth: T(> T(> R> ... I don't doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with T(> R> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%, T(> R> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional T(> R> medicine?"" T(> T(> How do you know that it is? If you could show this by careful T(> measurement, I suspect you would have a paper worthy of publication T(> in a variety of medical journals. T(> T(> Russell If you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence, I was addressing that very question to that person (who has a dog named sugar) and a few other people who seem to be of the same opinion. I would love to have anyone come up with a study to support their claims that the placebo effect is more prevalent with alternative compared to conventional medicine. Perhaps the study could also include how patients respond if they are dissatisfied with a conventional versus an alternative doctor, i.e. which practitioner is more likely to get punched in the face when the success of the treatment doesn't meet the expectations of the patient! --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: When in doubt, make it sound convincing! RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 " 9078,0,"From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Subject: Re: Had to share this Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland. Lines: 66 In article <1993Apr03.232325.23178@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes: >bena@dec07.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes: > >> Warning - if you are anything like a devout Christian this post is >> really going to offend and/or upset you. > >[...numerous Ctrl-Ls deleted...hehehe...] > >> I assume everyone here is familiar with the Christian `fish' symbol. >> The one on the back of all those Volvos. >> The one that looks (something) like >> __ >> / \/ >> \__/\ >> >> Or perhaps more like () ? >> '` >> >> Well, I found out this morning where it comes from ... >> >> It's been stolen from the pagans, like so much else ... >> >> (Last last chance to be blisfully ignorant ;-] >> >> Hmm, how can I put it. >> >> Well, it comes from, this ... >> >> >> >> __ >> \/ >> () >> `__-'`-__' >> >> >> >> Sigh, I hate drawing with ascii chars. >> Still, I think you can work it out from there ... > >If you haven't, go read ""Skinny Legs and All"" by Tom Robbins. If he's even >50% accurate then most of the modern religions have been ""appropriated"". >It's also a great book. > >Followups to alt.atheism, whose readers are probably slightly more authorative >on this. > > - k >-- >Craig Harding kilroy@acme.gen.nz ACME BBS +64 6 3551342 >""Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"" Craig- I thought it was derived from a Greek acronym. My Greek isn't up to much, but it goes something like this: Jesus Christ, God => Iesus CHristos, THeos => Ichthos which is the Greek for ""fish"" (as in, eg ""ichthysaurus""). Apologies for my dreadful Greek! Perhaps someone will correct it. By the way, what does your sig mean? -Norman " 9079,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 41 In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable >all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), >as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no >mention of ""session keys"" being the escrowed entities. True in theory. In practice? The technology of cellular phones will probably be spread spectrum and quite difficult to record the crypttext without the key. If the frequency path depends on they key, as I understand it to, it *could* be made effectively impossible to record. Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule today. But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain cellular calls and then ask a judge, ""Hey, can we have permission to listen to those tapes?"" can they? >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Yes, that is a major concern, but I think that they think they can win just by having 99.5% of the USA use this system. They don't even have to care about the cautious .5% that's left. They don't catch the really smart crooks anyway. John Gotti, who would have to be retarded not to realize he was likely to be wiretapped, glibly chatted away on his tapped phone about murder plans. That's why he's in jail now. Hard to believe, but true. This scheme can succeed without laws forbidding more, which people would fight a lot harder. They like this enough that they are dropping the so called ""Digital Telephony"" proposal, according to rumours. However the meaning of that is complex, since they still want to get at the crypttext on telco systems, and that requires a bit of work. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 9080,4,"From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de In article rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes: [... stuff deleted] > >Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, >who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this >memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. > [more stuff deleted...] How do you calculate that figure? I'd assume even in personal computers the board designers would use bank switching to (optimistically) quadruple the access speed or am I missing something here? HSK -- Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel, womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel. Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten, Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten. ... H. Heine " 9081,13,"From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright) Subject: Re: NATURAL ANTI-cancer/AIDS Remedies Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com In article <19604@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: |In article <1993Apr6.165840.5703@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes: |> The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and |>increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still |>being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER- |>MONGERING ""medical"" establishment. |That's not the half of it. Did you realize that all medical doctors have |now been replaced by aliens? Yup. By the way, what planet are you from, and once you got here, did you encounter those prejudices against foreign medical graduates? -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA wright@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people " 9082,6,"From: curry@doe.carleton.ca (Simon Curry) Subject: House for Sale, Mediterranean Coast Spain Summary: House for Sale in Javea, Alicante, Spain Keywords: House, seaside,Spain Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University Lines: 35 Mediterranean Investment property for Sale ------------------------------------------ Javea, Alicante Spain (Costa Blanca) Villa on a large lot in the wooded (pine) hills ""above the noise"". 2 bedrooms, living-dining room + glassed-in sun-porch; kitchen & bathroom. Large lot surrounded by traditional white wall with wrought iron gates: room for an in-ground pool. 2 minutes from the sea and supermarket; 10 minutes from town and full amenities. Area has specially favourable microclimate, mentioned in a WHO climate report. Seat (Fiat) runabout Car, 3 years old may be included, in the deal. Ideal for retirement or as a family holiday resort. Must sell for family reasons. Asking $150,000. Reply by EMAIL or call Canada (613)591-0507 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Curry, Executive Director Tele: (613)991-9001 The Royal Society of Canada Fax: (613)991-6996 PO Box 9734, Ottawa K1G 5J4 Email: curry@doe.carleton.ca -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Curry Tele: (613)991-9001 The Royal Society of Canada Fax: (613)991-6996 PO Box 9734, Ottawa K1G 5J4 Email: curry@doe.carleton.ca " 9083,4,"From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic) Subject: Re: 14"" monitors Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt3oe$li6 Distribution: world Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:29:12 GMT In article <1pco6eINN99i@corona.hsc.usc.edu> Daniel S. Chen, dschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu writes: > I'm interested in getting a 14"" color monitor for my new LCIII. >Unfortunately, I'm really quite confused with the Sony monitors. >Could someone please compare the Sony 1320, 1304 and the Apple 14""? > Thanks. Dan Just thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD- 1304 because of several manufacturing flaws. The new model is now the 1430, which just like Apple's new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches. I'm not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools bookstore and can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of defect or another. Just my two cents worth. " 9084,7,"From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Summary: query Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually. This was the biggest fault with the Subaru ECVT -- it took SOOOOOO LONNNNNNNNGGGGG for the tranny to find the right ratio. The sales propaganda says the Saturn automatic is effectively an electronically-shifted manual. Might this mean that Saturn has conquered the problem? (I dunno, only driven Saturn 5-speeds) INPUT, PLEASE! Another question: Any plans for a manual-trans Chrysler LH? Does anyone else out there fall asleep at night dreaming of this combo? " 9085,4,"From: dfclark@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (clark dean f) Subject: Re: Centris Cache & Bernoulli Box Article-I.D.: snll-arp.519 Distribution: world Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr2.123619.548@physc1.byu.edu> goblec@physc1.byu.edu writes: >I just tried running my Bernoulli Box off a Centris and the driver >software only seems to work when the 040 cache is off. If it is >on I get the message ""This is not a Macintosh Disk - do you wish >to initialize it."" > >I have IOMEGA Driver 3.4.2. Is there a newer version that works >with the 040's? Is there something I am doing wrong? > >Clark Goble >goblec@theory.byu.edu I Have Version 3.5.1 which I believe was needed for a 040 machine. You should be able to get the newest version by calling their tech support at 1-800-456-5522 or if you have a modem you can get the driver from their BBS at 801-778-4400. dean -- Dean Clark Internet dfclark@ca.sandia.gov " 9086,6,"From: hsb@philabs.philips.com (Hemant S. Betrabet) Subject: Moving Sale Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY. Distribution: ny Lines: 9 For Sale Dining Table (wooden) with 6 chairs $ 125 Dining Table Scandinavian style $ 30 Steel Desk - free If interested, please call Hemant Betrabet 6431 " 9087,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr6.125608.7506@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: |In <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: |>> |>>Paul, quite frankly I'll believe that this is really going to work on |>>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple |>>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end, |>>plus be able to run it off its own residual power. Sounds almost like |>>perpetual motion, doesn't it? | |I will believe that this process comes even close to approaching |technological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the |trash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of |separating things first and having a different 'run' for each |actinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull |(relatively) clean material out the other. Once the costs, |technological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this |one with the idea of throwing waste into the sun. Sure, it's possible |and the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable |approach? | How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't do it? Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-) Gee fred. After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like this. And does anyone who knows more Particle physics then me, know if the IPNS could Prove this technology? | |>The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being |>built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is |>still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks |>technically reasonable. | It may also help there is political gridlock on the entire nuclear technical agenda. There were big political opponenents to Fast Breeder Technologies. WIPP is being fought to death in Courts. Even if you could make a nuclear incinerator, do you really think even Deaf SMith County Nevada would accept it? NIMBY'ism rules nuclear power concerns. Only the medical community has been able to overrule nuclear technology opposition. " 9088,8,"From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes: >Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride >on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work. > Thanks > 84wendel@cua.edu > On the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy that can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar. Of course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke) ________________________________________________________________________ Nick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817 '88CBR1000 '89CBR600 coburnn@spot.colorado.edu ________________________________________________________________________ " 9089,19,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr17.162105.3303@scic.intel.com> sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes: >Ifone simply says ""God did it"", then that is not falsifiable. Unless God admits that he didn't do it.... =) --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" " 9090,9,"From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <93122@hydra.gatech.EDU> re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.145753.21557@holos0.uucp>, lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed) writes: >> In article hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes: >> >Didn't Bob Horner go straight from Arizona State Univ. >> >to the Atlanta Braves? I remember he had one great >> >month hitting dingers and then the next I heard >> >he was in Japan. >> A month? Well, he did have a short career--compared to what one might >> have expected for such a highly touted prospect--due to being injury prone, >> overweight, and having no work ethic. But he certainly did not >> suffer from being rushed to the bigs. >Sorry Len, this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs. >Being overweight and having no work ethic, leading to being injury prone with >nothing to loose, might have been corrected in Richmond. (Did you intend a >smiley after your comment?) If I remember correctly (Which is always in doubt), Horner's signing with the Braves was contingent on starting in Atlanta. I think he could have gone back to Arizona St. for one more year if he hadn't signed. Anyhow, the Braves did try to send him to Richmond once; it lead to a week-long walkout. Methinks Horner had no work ethic before he was drafted, and minor league play wouldn't have helped. But his raw talent would have gotten him into the ML, and it did keep him there for a while, until he started falling on his wrists. Eric (too lazy to update his sig) Roush " 9091,13,"From: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) Subject: Krillean Photography Originator: todamhyp@charles.cs.unlv.edu Organization: University of Nevada at Las Vegas, College of Engineering Lines: 20 I think that's the correct spelling.. I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly appreciated. In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. -- _D_I_S_C_L_A_I_M_E_R_: I can neither confirm nor deny any opinions expressed in this article directly reflect my own personal or political views and furthermore, if they did, I would not be at liberty to yield such an explanation of these alleged opinions. " 9092,5,"From: davesimp@soda.berkeley.edu (David Simpson) Subject: Trying to find papers by Rosenthal Article-I.D.: agate.1r7k7o$feh Organization: UC Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu I have the March/April version of the X Journal open in front of me. I'll be working on programming x-clients this summer, and since I don't have much experience with programming X, I thought this issue might be helpful as it has a section on debugging, and a section on the 40 most common errors in programming X. At the end of the errors section, there are the following references for tutorials on X programming style. They are: Rosenthal, David - A simple X11 client program Proceedings of the Winter 1988 Usenix Conference, 1988. Lemke, D., and Rosenthal, D. - Visualizing X11 clients Proceedings of the Winter 1989 Usenix Conference, 1989. Does anyone know where I could find these in printed or (preferably) electronic form? Or can you suggest any net resources devoted to the introduction to programming X (I'll be looking at the bookstore for books, so I am really only asking about what I can find on the net.) Thanks, David Simpson davesimp@soda.berkeley.edu " 9093,0,"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: New Member Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 47 In article , dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes: |> Hello. I just started reading this group today, and I think I am going |> to be a large participant in its daily postings. I liked the section of |> the FAQ about constructing logical arguments - well done. I am an atheist, |> but I do not try to turn other people into atheists. I only try to figure |> why people believe the way they do - I don't much care if they have a |> different view than I do. When it comes down to it . . . I could be wrong. |> I am willing to admit the possibility - something religious followers |> dont seem to have the capability to do. Welcome aboard! |> |> I notice alot of posts from Bobby. Why does anybody ever respond to |> his posts ? He always falls back on the same argument: (I think you just answered your own question, there) |> |> ""If the religion is followed it will cause no bad"" |> |> He is right. Just because an event was explained by a human to have been |> done ""in the name of religion"", does not mean that it actually followed |> the religion. He will always point to the ""ideal"" and say that it wasn't |> followed so it can't be the reason for the event. There really is no way |> to argue with him, so why bother. Sure, you may get upset because his |> answer is blind and not supported factually - but he will win every time |> with his little argument. I don't think there will be any postings from |> me in direct response to one of his. Most responses were against his postings that spouted the fact that all atheists are fools/evil for not seeing how peachy Islam is. I would leave the pro/con arguments of Islam to Fred Rice, who is more level headed and seems to know more on the subject, anyway. |> |> Happy to be aboard ! How did you know I was going to welcome you abord?!? |> |> Dave Fuller |> dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com |> |> Brian /-|-\ " 9094,9,"Subject: al stats From: ""michael mcguire"" Reply-To: ""michael mcguire"" Distribution: rec Organization: Canada Remote Systems Lines: 11 I am looking for a source of American League baseball stats for individual players in the same format as printed in newspapers, ie. I do not want to provide a list of players and get back nice printed reports for $35 a week. Does anyone know of such statistics availability and an idea of the cost? -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 9095,9,"From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry) Subject: Re: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms) Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1993Apr6.220115.16282 Organization: AT&T Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr6.204514.2180@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: > In article <12805@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: > > > > > >Am I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are > >ugly? Yet another reason why they won't win the NL West! ;) > > If uniforms really were a deciding factor in pennant races, the '79 Pirates > would have never won anything; those have to be the ugliest uniforms I've > ever seen, particular the all-yellow set. > > Sherri Nichols > snichols@adobe.com > My vote goes for the ('75?) Indians with their all-red uniforms. Boog Powell once said he felt like a big red blood clot. Rich Barry barry@ihlpe.att.com " 9096,6,"From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu) Subject: Home base and Car CB units, Motorola Beeper for sale Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: na Lines: 31 (1) Uniden 40 Channel CB Transceiver, Model Pro 710e. This is a home base unit, with connectors for external speaker and PA speaker. 3.5""x3"" internal speaker, chanel 9/10 button, NB/ANL/PA selector buttons, Volume, Squelch, RF Gain, Tone and Mic Gain controls, Comes with Mic. Side mount for mic. measures 14""x8""x3"". Plugs into 110v. Black Like new. (actually brand new) Asking $105, shipping included (2) Midland International Model 77-101C, 40 chanel, car unit This one is well used. black w/silver front. comes with mic, power cord for 12v cigarette lighter socket, gutter mount antena is also included (easy to install and remove). Asking $45, shipping included Or both for $130, including shipping. The Uniden alone is about $150 in Kmart. These two will work nicely together, have one in the garage and one in your truck. (3) Motorola Beeper. I can't quite figure out what is the model number Cost is $133 to buy from USAMobile. Don't use this no more, $65 " 9097,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 30 SCOTT D. SAUYET (SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu) wrote: : Regardless of people's hidden motivations, the stated reasons for many : wars include religion. Of course you can always claim that the REAL : reason was economics, politics, ethnic strife, or whatever. But the : fact remains that the justification for many wars has been to conquer : the heathens. : If you want to say, for instance, that economics was the chief cause : of the Crusades, you could certainly make that point. But someone : could come along and demonstrate that it was REALLY something else, in : the same manner you show that it was REALLY not religion. You could : in this manner eliminate all possible causes for the Crusades. : Scott, I don't have to make outrageous claims about religion's affecting and effecting history, for the purpsoe of a.a, all I have to do point out that many claims made here are wrong and do nothing to validate atheism. At no time have I made any statement that religion was the sole cause of anything, what I have done is point out that those who do make that kind of claim are mistaken, usually deliberately. To credit religion with the awesome power to dominate history is to misunderstand human nature, the function of religion and of course, history. I believe that those who distort history in this way know exaclty what they're doing, and do it only for affect. Bill " 9098,0,"Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > > I propose that these two trends -- greater level of general > depression in society (and other psychological problems) and > greater sexual promiscuity -- are linked, with the latter being > a prime cause of the former. I cannot provide any evidence beyond > this at this stage, but the whole thesis seems very reasonable to > me and I request that people ponder upon it. I pondered it for all of ten seconds when I realised that since we don't have any reliable statistics for sexual promiscuity, and since the whole issue of ""depression"" isn't at all well defined for earlier centuries, you are probably talking crap. Of course, you could pull a Mozumder on us, and say that people who are having sex outside marriage are *defined* to be depressed. I can't say I'd ever noticed, myself. jon. " 9099,15,"From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 59 In article rob@ll.mit.edu writes: >I think it was Lewis who said that in a wedding, it's the principals >that marry each other; the church and the state are present merely as >witnesses. > >[This is not just Lewis -- it's a summary of standard Catholic >theology. However this doesn't mean that the presence of those >witnesses is optional, except in odd situations like the standard >desert island. --clh] I originally wrote to the person who asked this question personally, but decided to post the information I had on the topic. I spoke to the pastor of my parish (Catholic) recently, by coincidence, on this subject. His explaination was that while it is possible for a couple to marry without the presence of a priest, it is important to have it recognized by the Church as soon as it is possible. Because the Church recoginizes itself as a community of believers, members of the church, to some degree, are to be held accountable to each other. To be less hypothetical than that mythical couple on the desert island, there are many places in the world that do not have priests availible for marriages on a regular basis. Therefore, couples get married without the priest being present, but get the priest to testify to their marriage when one comes through the area. I remember a religion teacher in high school saying that the marriage ceremony is not for the benefit of the couple as much as it is for the benefit of the community. Thus, married couples have some responsibility to the community to stay married, as divorce sets a bad example for the community. Also, the couple has vowed to become one with one another--the community should be able to rely on that couple to be as one. While couples may marry without witnesses, they may NOT get anulments without a priest present. An anulment is simply an admission of the church that what they had declared a marriage was not, in fact, a marriage at all, for whatever reason. So don't start getting married in the back seat of a station wagon and giving yourselves anulments a half-hour later!! I tend to agree with the response back there that said couples become married as soon as they consumate their marriage, but I would add that couples should consider their marriage consumated if they have sex, whether or not they intended to be married, assuming they were both willing partners to the sexual act. The couple must be prepared to raise any children they may have as a result of that sexual act with the benefit of both parents. Sex IS a commitment, I believe, in God's eyes. But I'm digressing.... God be with you, Malcusco " 9100,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: hearing sinners Lines: 18 On the question, ""Does God hear the prayers of sinners?"" we need to distinguish. If we say that He never hears the prayers of any who have sinned, we make pointless all prayers by anyone born less than 19 centuries ago. But if we consider the prayers of the impenitent sinner, of someone who says, ""Lord, I want you to do this for me, but don't expect me to change my way of life,"" that is a different matter. Even here, I would not venture to say that God never grants such petitions (just as He sends sun and rain on the evil and on the good). However, if someone we know well is praying to God in that spirit, we might have the responsibility to say, ""Remember, if God's help is real, then so are His commands."" Yours, James Kiefer " 9101,9,"From: jbragg@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Bragg) Subject: Re: NL Stats Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 9 Doug, those stats are great! they help immensely. I tried to E-Mail you with some comments on them but my mail server does not recognize your address. Could you E-Mail me with some info on how to get E-Mail to you? Thanks! Jim Bragg (jbragg@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) " 9102,14,"From: thomsonal@cpva.saic.com Subject: What counntries do space surveillance? Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego Lines: 111 Ethnocentric USian that I am, I've assumed that we and the xUSSR were the only countries with significant capabilities to track non-cooperative objects in low Earth orbit. Grazing in a couple of databases recently, I found that Japan has some optical capabilities along this line, and also uses a radar designed for other purposes for orbital debris surveys (it isn't clear whether the radar can determine orbital elements for the objects it detects). Abstracts of the articles are appended. This leads to the more general question: do yet other people than the US, Russia, and Japan do space surveillance, and if so, how and why? Allen Thomson SAIC McLean, VA, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ABSTRACTS Optical tracking of the experimental geodetic satellite (EGS) TAKABE, MASAO; ITABE, TOSHIKAZU; ARUGA, TADASHI Radio Research Laboratory, Review (ISSN 0033-801X), vol. 34, March 1988, p. 23-34. In Japanese, with abstract in English. This paper reports the optical tracking results of EGS (experimental geodetic satellite) which was launched on August 13, 1986, by NASDA. The EGS optical tracking experiment process and an outline of the Radio Research Laboratory (RRL) optical ground <---- station are discussed. A star tracking technique for optical equipment calibration and satellite tracking technique for orbit prediction improvement are also described. The accuracy of EGS tracking data obtained by RRL at the request of NASDA is also discussed. In addition, it is briefly demonstrated that the position of the Japanese amateur satellite (JAS-1) which was launched with the EGS, was accurately determined by means of a <---- satellite tracking video. It is clear from this experiment that <---- optical observation data (i.e., satellite direction data) are very <---- useful for satellite orbit determination during initial launch <---- stages. Furthermore, the results confirm the effectivenes of these <---- two satellite optical tracking techniques. <---- MU radar measurements of orbital debris SATO, TORU; KAYAMA, HIDETOSHI; FURUSAWA, AKIRA; KIMURA, IWANE (Kyoto University, Japan) AIAA, NASA, and DOD, Orbital Debris Conference: Technical Issues and Future Directions, Baltimore, MD, Apr. 16-19, 1990. 10 p. RPN: AIAA PAPER 90-1343 Distributions of orbital debris versus height and scattering cross section are determined from a series of observations made with a high- power VHF Doppler radar (MU radar) of Japan. An automated data processing algorithm has been developed to discriminate echoes of orbiting objects from those of undesired signals such as meteor trail echoes or lightning atmospherics. Although the results are preliminary, they showed good agreement with those from NORAD tracking radar <---- observations using a much higher frequency. It is found that the <---- collision frequency of a Space Station of 1 km x 1 km size at an altitude of 500 km with orbiting debris is expected to be as high as once per two years. Monitoring of the MU radar antenna pattern by Satellite Ohzora (EXOS-C) SATO, T.; INOOKA, Y.; FUKAO, S. (Kyoto Univ., Japan); KATO, S. Kyoto Univ., Uji (Japan). Radio Atmospheric Science Center. In International Council of Scientific Unions, Middle Atmosphere Program. Handbook for MAP, Vol. 20 5 p Publication Date: Jun. 1986 As the first attempt among MST (mesosphere stratosphere troposphere) type radars, the MU (middle and upper atmosphere) radar features an active phased array system. Unlike the conventional large VHF radars, in which output power of a large vacuum tube is distributed to individual antenna elements, each of 475 solid state power amplifier feeds each antenna element. This system configuration enables very fast beam steering as well as various flexible operations by dividing the antenna into independent subarrays, because phase shift and signal division/combination are performed at a low signal level using electronic devices under control of a computer network. The antenna beam can be switched within 10 microsec to any direction within the zenith angle of 30 deg. Since a precise phase alignment of each element is crucial to realize the excellent performance of this system, careful calibration of the output phase of each power amplifier and antenna element was carried out. Among various aircraft which may be used for this purpose artificial satellites have an advantage of being able to make a long term monitoring with the same system. An antenna pattern monitoring system for the MU radar was developed using the scientific satellite OHZORA (EXOS-C). A receiver named MUM (MU radar antenna Monitor) on board the satellite measures a CW signal of 100 to 400 watts transmitted from the MU radar. The principle of the measurement and results are discussed. Equatorial radar system FUKAO, SHOICHIRO; TSUDA, TOSHITAKA; SATO, TORU; KATO, SUSUMU (Kyoto University, Uji, Japan) (COSPAR, IAGA, SCOSTEP, et al., Plenary Meeting, 27th, Workshops and Symposium on the Earth's Middle Atmosphere, Espoo, Finland, July 18-29, 1988) Advances in Space Research (ISSN 0273-1177), vol. 10, no. 10, 1990, p. 151-154. A large clear air radar with the sensitivity of an incoherent scatter radar for observing the whole equatorial atmosphere up to 1000 km altitude is now being designed in Japan. The radar will be built in Pontianak, West Kalimantan, Indonesia (0.03 deg N, 109.29 deg E). The system is a 47-MHz monostatic Doppler radar with an active phased array configuration similar to that of the MU radar in Japan, which has been in successful operation since 1983. It will have a PA product of about 3 x 10 to the 9th W sq m (P = average transmitter power, A = effective antenna aperture) with a sensitivity of approximately 10 times that of the MU radar. This system configuration enables pulse-to-pulse beam steering within 20 deg from the zenith. As is the case of the MU radar, a variety of operations will be made feasible under the supervision of the radar controller. A brief description of the system configuration is presented. " 9103,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 147 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De > >Arras) writes: > >> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >> >writes: > >> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come > >> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and > >> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear > >gassed. > >> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to > >> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. > >> >> > >> > > >> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. > >> > >> Unworthy of comment. > > > >But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course. > > So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-) > Still mastering the language, eh? Notice the use of ""apparently"". > >> >Humans died > >> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the > >> >actions > >> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them. > >> > >> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. > >> That is undeniable truth. > > > >No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the > >gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this as > >the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not ""undeniable"" that if > >they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today. > > You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people > have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff. > > And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you > can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the > FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days. > I'm not denying that at all. But every day is another chance for a good ending, why push it? Mr. Roby, you are going to die, anyway, why not today? Every moment of life is precious. > >> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for > >> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities > >> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion > >> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up > >> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. > > > >My heart ""bleeds"" for no one. You are the ""bleeding heart"". And I'm sure > >beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You > >can not say the heartless things you have said if you did. > > I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense. No, you are the heartless ""bleeding heart"". A flaming liberal who ""cares deeply"", who ""feels your pain"". > You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this > compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless > to me. > You have continually raised this issue, without any understanding of the bonds between parent and child. It is not easy to say a final goodbye to your children, I do not think I could do it, either. If that makes me heartless, so be it. How many children do you have? I have three. > I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't > stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me > sad and sick. > It just makes me sad. I never claimed Koresh was an angel. > >> >You seem to say > >> >they got what they deserved. > >> > >> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in > >> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they > >> wanted and put into motion themselves. > > > >""they got what they wanted"". What kind of creature are you that you can > >believe this? > > Have you ever heard of Jonestown? > The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority > worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these > people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot > more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as > last year. > I made the same authority worshiper point about you a few lines back. And once again, Jonestown, however sick it was, was doing OK, until ""the Authorities"" showed up and pushed a fragile person over the edge. A bull in a china shop. > >> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely > >> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair > >> from the start. > > > >We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too. > > By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too. > BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-) > Nope, the constitution in total is, for me. If you think the RKBA is all I'm about, you misjudge me. > >> >Jim > >> >-- > >> >jmd@handheld.com > >> > > > -- > Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 9104,13,"From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Subject: ringing ears Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Distribution: world Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA Lines: 15 A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. The ringing is so loud that she has great difficulty sleeping at night. She says that she hasn't had a normal night's sleep in about 6 months (she looks like it too :-(). This is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti-depressants. The ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago. She is quickly losing sleep, social life and sanity over this. Does anyone know of any treatments for this? Any experience? Coping mechanisms? Any opinions on the anti-depressant drugs? [J.F.] " 9105,17,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 65 In article <1qmdtlINNkrc@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: |> In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> |> |> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> |> |> -- |> |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org |> |> Mr. water-head, |> |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that |> |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no |> |> water is being used on the lebanese |> |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there |> |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. |> |> Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more |> difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in |> any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support |> this? I agree with Shai, there are many references to Israeli plans on the Litani river but I have yet to find hard evidence. I had mentioned before that there is a report commissioned by the UN to study the Litani river, it is still in draft form. The Israeli gov't also commissioned a study on the river that was done by Dr. Ben Wolfe. The Litani starts in the Bekaa valley in Lebanon, flows Southward, then West across South Lebanon and discharges into the Mediterranean near the city of Tyre. There are other rivers such as the Hasbani and the Wazzani that start in Lebanese territory than join the Jordan river. The most mentioned plan was one that would divert water from the Litani into these, then the water would flow naturally into the Lac De Houle. BUT there is no evidence of any diversion structure (which would need to be at least 3 km long). The area is mountainous, inaccessible and occupied by Israel so I have not seen any independent reports of the existence of any diversion structure there. Another often mentioned diversion is through deep wells. It is also rumored that Israe has 600 m wells tapping into deep aquifers and drawing water on the Israeli side of the border. If such wells are indeed under use they would be costly to operate (high energy costs) and the Lebanese and Israeli gov't should agree on the distribution of water from shared aquifers as part of an overall peace plan and the bilateral negociations on ""regional issues"". The fact that we have been at war all this time has led to the current state of affairs where withdrawals from such aquifers is completely unregulated. Basil |> |> Hasan |> |> -- |> Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, |> OS Software Engineer | |> Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. |> Cambridge, MA | " 9106,1,"From: dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (David Farley) Subject: Re: Photoshop for Windows Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 25 In article beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) writes: > > >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? > >Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. > >Thank you. > >Andre Boisvert >beaver@rot.qc.ca > An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler and PhotoShop for Windows. David -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 " 9107,12,"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: TDR plug-in Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 15 If anyone out there has an HP180 series scope or mainframe, I have the TDR plug in (the 1810, I believe) for it and have no need to keep it. Interested? E-mail me. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) " 9108,18,"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.013559.17391@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >>I see you are a total ignorant asshole as well. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the sign of a small mind to use filthy >language when he can't articulate his point. Oh, no, not in this case. I've noticed that you conveniently edited out your stupid comment that the PRC stands for Cambodia. When we're arguing the Vietnam war and about Cambodia, and you toss in a boner like that (along with your other boners), you are an ignorant asshole. Oh, and even the Vietnamese agree that they did far more damage to Cambodia than we ever did. -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) " 9109,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock) Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 33 In article muirm@argon.gas.organpipe.uug.arizona.edu (maxwell c muir) writes: >In all candor, I would be happy to be proven wrong [about believing >in atheism]. Problem is, I will have to be _proven_ wrong. In mentioning some nonsense about psychology :) and atheism, Bob Muir asks the following question. > Do I sound ""broken"" to you? I answer in the affirmative. Now this answer might sound a little intellectually dishonest to Bob, but I think I have been accused before of that heinous crime and am man enough to take it. !-) What thinking person has not at one time or other been accused of it? Is it politically correct for Christians to be the only besieged group permitted the luxury of arrogance? Now I have a question for Bob. Why in the world would any self-respecting atheist want to subscribe to a Christian news group? I have a difficult enough time keeping up with it, and I think I know something about the subject. Bob reminds me of my roommate. In order to disbelieve atheism, he says he will need to be proven wrong about it. Well, I don't even waste my time trying. I tell him that he'll just have to take my word for it. In response, he tells me he will say an ""atheist's prayer"" for me. Good luck, Bob. And, best regards. -- Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock Catechist gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu " 9110,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: help: object appears thrice! Summary: after editing win.ini [embedding..], and leaving only 1 entry Organization: George Washington University Lines: 40 Hey all...I got an equation editor, and since it didn't automagically appear in my ""object"" dialog box (i.e. insert-->object-->equation), I decided to manually place it there. So I went into win.ini (is there another way to do this?), the [embedding] section, and added equation=equation,equation,,picture. didn't work. quit windows, go back. AHA: mistake. Correct it. It looks fine. start windows...doesn't work. play with it for a while, at one point having two entries to see if one works and th'other don't, and finally I get it to work. The only thing I can see that's different now is that it's now the first item on the list, and it used to be the last. But now I end up with *three* ""equation"" entried, and *all* of them working. (and only one entry in win.ini). so does any netian know what's wrong? or rather, how to correct this? (i.e. make ""equation""appear but once?). Also, all the entries in the [embedding] appear as above. It's obvious that is the executable, or whatever, and ""picture"" has something to do withthe way it appears (picture/description?) but what are the others? i.e., in soundrec=sound,sound, whate's the difference between the 1st ""sound"" and the 2nd? and what is ""soundrec""?? (I don't think it's the name of the executable, as other entries (e.g. MSWorksChart=...) aren't) thanks, i.a. Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) " 9111,11,"From: Grant@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (Lynn R Grant) Subject: Another key registration body bites the dust (IMHO) Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 46 One of the candidates that has been suggested for a key registration body is the ACLU. I think this is poor choice. The ACLU is essentially a group of auditors: they audit how people's civil liberties are administered. Traditionally, auditors do not like to get involved in the design or operational aspects of things, and with good reason. When I was a systems programmer, it always infuriated me that the auditors would come in and tell us our implementation stunk from a security point of view, but wouldn't tell us how to fix it. I always figured they just liked to critcize, without doing the work to help fix the problem. Then I took a stint as an auditor, and I found out the real reason. Auditors don't like to recommend solutions, because it puts them in a bad position if they have to criticize the implementation later. The auditee can say, ""Well, you told us this way would be OK."" It compromises the independence that is a necessary part of the auditor's job. Taking the case at hand, suppose ACLU becomes a key half registrar. Suppose that, perhaps through some error on ACLU's part, a key half gets away that shouldn't, and is used to deprive someone of her civil liberties. The ACLU gets wind of this, and wants to take it to court. But they end up being at the same time on the side of the defendant and of the plaintiff, which is not an easy position to be in. There are exceptions to the complete independence of auditors: at one place where I worked, when payroll checks were printed, they were signed automatically by a signature drum on the bursting machine. This drum was kept by the auditors (who also kept the check stock), and was brought down to Data Processing when it was time to do the checks. I believe the difference between this situation and the key registration situation is that it is fairly obvious when it is time to do the payroll checks: if they were done yesterday, and someone wants to do them again today, he better be able to produce yesterday's checks so that they can be destroyed. Determining which of the many requests for key halves are legit is a trickier process, one much more prone to mistakes that could put the ACLU in a protecting-the-client versus protecting-the-ACLU conflict of interest. As always, my opinions are my own. Lynn Grant Grant@Dockmaster.NCSC.MIL " 9112,12,"From: paula@nlbbs.com (Paula Stockholm) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Reply-To: paula@nlbbs.com Organization: The Northern Lights BBS, Portland, ME * 207-761-4782 * Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: ZipNews Reader/Mailer v0.92d (Beta) In most areas of the country, serviced by ESS (or CESS), your phone -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * paula@nlbbs.com * * Paula Stockholm Cumberland, Maine USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * " 9113,8,"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) Subject: Insurance discount Summary: Two or more vehicles... discount? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 26 Hola amigos, Quiero... I need an answer to a pressing question. I now own two bikes and would love to keep them both. One is a capable and smooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great brakes; the other is a Beemer G/S, kind of rough for the city but great on the long road and backroad. A good start at a stable, but I don't think it's going to work. Unfortunately, insurance is going to pluck me by the short hairs. Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of driving one of the things at a time. I don't think I'll ever manage to straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left... accelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.) Does anybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to discount your rates? State Farm doesn't. By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes there, and registering them. To ease me of the shock, can somebody guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS? Here in Tucson they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two, per annum. Muchas gracias, Enrique " 9114,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 100 In article , mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> [stuff deleted] |> henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them. BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it BM] is a part of it. Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians. henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them BM] within their borders? Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime. henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER henrik] OCCUR again. BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped into Armenia if SHE could. BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many cases, HISTORY repeats itself. BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians BM] are attacking Azeri towns. So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !! I will believe it when I see it. Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)? Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean BURNING people ALIVE ! BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the BM] futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes. Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN. BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal? Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion. BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of BM] their blood and future. Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET. BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading BM] inflammatory half-truths. It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely for it. But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself, you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of The Armenian Massacres. " 9115,4,"From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) Subject: Re: MacPlus freezes after ~1 hour use, fails to boot Nntp-Posting-Host: christian.informatik.uni-ulm.de Organization: University of Ulm Lines: 27 In article <1osu69INN11r@tamsun.tamu.edu>, mclean@math.tamu.edu (Robert Mclean) wrote: > > My MacPlus is having problems which seem temperature related. After using > it for a while it freezes. The when I turn off then on, the screen doesn't > show the disk icon, and then goes dark. I consulted Larry Pina's Book and > could not find these symptoms. Has anybody else seen such symptoms? > Suggestions? Shure it is temperature dependent, but this does not clean all your problems. Based on some exp. I must say that the connections between the power supply and the Monitor and Main Board are usable to this failure, Ram simms can be badly connected due to some corrosion and the powersupply can be in the last phase (lower Voltage). So you can do following if you are used to such technical terms. 1) Clean all mentioned contacts with contact spray 2) readjust the 5 Volt level of your powersupply 3) use a calm fan and think of preventing dust blowinÔ through the floppy! (a fixed piece of paper can prevent this) if you don't know how to do it beg a friendly technician! Christian Bauer bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de " 9116,13,"From: markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Also, don't forget that it's better for your health to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ... -- Mark McWiggins Hermes & Associates +1 206 632 1905 (voice) markmc@halcyon.com Box 31356, Seattle WA 98103-1356 +1 206 632 1738 (fax) " 9117,6,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: *** NeXTstation 8/105 For Sale *** Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.013611.3796 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu NeXTstation 25MHz 68040 8/105 Moto 56001 DSP Megapixel (perfect - no dimming or shaking) keyboard/mouse (of course :) 2.1 installed 2.1 docs Network and System Administration User's Reference Applications The NeXT Book, by Bruce Webster (New Copy) Black NeXTconnection modem cable 30 HD disks (10 still in unwrapped box, others for backing up apps) I NEED to sell this pronto to get a car (my engine locked up)! Machine runs great... only used in my house. Has been covered when not in use on the days I wasn't around. $2,300 INCLUDING Federal Express Second Day Air, OR best offer, COD to your doorstep (within continental US)!! I need to sell this NOW, so if you don't agree with the price, make an offer, but within reason. ;) Thanks, JT (please no letters asking me to donate for a tax break) " 9118,4,"From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji) Subject: HELP: PowerBook 160 and Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner Article-I.D.: castle.33950 Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu | || edited and forwarded by the csm.announce moderator; || please respond to the originator by email ALSO; what he || needs, besides a cable that works, is a phone-number and || AppleLink address for Caere - and a smile and a pat on the || back... :-) | Please, I beg you. If you know anything about the Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner, Please read and solve my problem. I will be truely grateful for the rest of my life! The problem is that My Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not connect to my PowerBook 160. The Cable on the Scanner will not fit into the SCSI port on the PowerBook. I then got a cable assembled to adapt the original cable to fit the SCSI port. This, however, turned the computer into SCSI mode and treated it as a hard disk. I have asked an engineer in London to assembled a new cable. The idiot, out of sheer laziness has taken 14 weeks and has yet to solve the problem. I am aware that Caere Co. in the US have a solution. Do you know of a cable that will solve this problem. Please help me if you know the solution. I will be forever grateful to you. My e-mail address is: zia@uk.ac.ed.castle | || ""wrong side of the road"" syndrom; :-)) || || for us, that's zia@castle.ed.ac.uk | Thanking you in advance, Zia. " 9119,16,"From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) Subject: Re: The Slaughter Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 16 [followups to talk.politics.guns] rl> Russell Lawrence kr> Karl Rominger kr> I support the right of any citizen with out a criminal history to own and use firearms, regardless of race, gender, and RELIGION. rl> Thanks for admitting that you, yourself, adhere to an illogical dogma. Well, folks in t.p.guns, want to show how Russell's ""illogical dogma"" is wrong? -- Gary Strand Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF " 9120,1,"From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu Keywords: point, polygon In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk> scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: >I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a >polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing >information on the subject ? See the article ""An Efficient Ray-Polygon Intersection,"" p. 390 in Graphics Gems (ISBN 0-12-286165-5). The second step, intersecting the polygon, does what you want. There is sample code in the book. spl -- Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 ""They are not Bolsheviks, just bullshitviks."" - Yevgeny Yevtechenko, ""Again a meeting..."" " 9121,15,"From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Hebrew grammar texts--choose English or German? Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 37 Phil Sells writes: > Probably a tired old horse, but... maybe with a slightly different > twist. I wanted to know if there are any good English-language texts > for learning ancient Hebrew, and how these compare with German > educational texts qualitywise, if anybody has an idea. I can't figure > out if I should buy one here for later study or wait until I get back to > the U.S. My impression is that *for advanced work* you will be much better off with German reference works (lexicons, concordances especially). For a first-time encounter, my *personal* preference would be to deal with a textbook written in my native language. But if you know German and are in Germany, pick up all the reference books you think you can handle. (I only know these works by reputation, since my German is most rusty, but I'd look at the following books: Koehler's lexicon, Mandeldern's concordance, the Jenni & Westermann theological dictionary of the OT.) > What's it like at divinity schools or seminaries in the States? Is > there a lot of language instruction done? I really don't have a basis > for comparison. The amount of language instruction available at US seminaries varies widely, mostly depending on the denominational heritage of the school. Presbyterian and Reformed seminaries probably place a lot more emphasis on the biblical languages than others. (Of course, any divinity school that has a doctoral program in biblical studies is going to have extensive language resources! But there are quite a few masters-degree-granting seminaries here at which the attitude seems to be more, ""Well, if you're *really* interested we'll give you a semester-long course, but we don't understand why . . ."") The pattern here at the Louisville Presbyterian Seminary is for first-year students to take intensive five-week introductory language courses in each language, followed by semester-long exegesis courses. (That is: Hebrew in August, OT exegesis in the fall; Greek in January, NT exegesis in the spring.) These courses are required for graduation, a third or a half of the students, I'd say, take advanced biblical work that requires language work. " 9122,15,"From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) Subject: [soc.religion.christian] Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 50 In a previous message aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: >If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, >then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. [More stuff deleted] This seems to be a pretty arogant definition of belief. My beliefs are those things which I find to be true based on my experience of the world. This experience includes study of things that I may not have experienced directly. But even then, I can only understand the studies to the extent to which I can relate what I study back to what I have experienced. Which means that by beliefs about God are directly related to my experience of God. Having experienced God, I try to make sense of that experience. I study religion and read the Bible. I find things that echo what I have already experienced. Out of this I build my beliefs. I also find things that don't match my experience. That doesn't make them false. They just don't match my experience. Maybe I will understand that stuff later. I don't know. Maybe all of my beliefs are wrong. I can change my beliefs. If someone else has beliefs that are different from mine, so what. Neither of us are necessarily wrong. Someone else is making sense out of a different set of experiences. Even though we have different explanations and beliefs, if we talk we might even discover that the underlying experiences are similar. Some people approach religion as a truth that can only exist in one form, and usually has a single revelation. The more dogmatic and inflexible the belief system, the more arrogant it will appear to an outsider. There is another approach possible, however. God is a mystery. I am trying to solve the mystery, so I look at the evidence available to me. I try to arrive at the best understanding that I can based on the evidence. New evidence may cause me to change my understanding. When I encounter someone with a different belief than my own, it isn't a threat, it is an opportunity to perhaps discover something new about this mystery I can never fully comprehend. Peace Will Taber ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | | Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | | Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | | But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9123,1,"From: weilej@cary115.its.rpi.edu (Jason Lee Weiler) Subject: Re: Sun IPX root window display - background picture Keywords: sun ipx background picture Article-I.D.: rpi.gc15hqk Reply-To: weilej@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: cary115.its.rpi.edu In article <1993Apr19.220817.22480@osi.com>, scott@osi.com (Scott Fleming) writes: |> |> Hello netters! |> |> I have a fairly weak question to ask everybody in netland. I've looked though |> the last FAQ for comp.graphics but I didn't find my answer. Thus the post. |> |> I'll keep it short. |> |> QUESTION: How do I display any raster files, gif files, iff or tiff images |> that I have on my ""root window"" or background? I have a sun ipc, openwindows |> 3.0, Sun OS 4.1.3 if that helps any. |> |> I've compiled POV for the sun and would like to display some of the work I have |> done as a background/tile. Thanks for any help or information that you |> provide. Have a good day. |> |> Scott Fleming |> OSI |> |> P.S. |> Kudo's to the people who provided POV, its great! |> Scott, I'm not so sure if this is helpful, but I usually use XV v2.21. I use Sun IPCs and IPXs, and it works fine. It can display in a good number of ways.(root being one of them) It's also possible to have XV put up a background automatically at login. Hope this helps. Jason Weiler BTW XV v2.21 is on anonymous FTP somewhere. (archie fer it!) " 9124,9,"From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman) Subject: Re: When did Dodgers move from NY to LA? Article-I.D.: pony.1993Apr6.195730.20277 Organization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc. Lines: 6 In article <1993Apr5.160030.2328@ncar.ucar.edu> tparker@music.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) writes: >I have a bet with my buddy on when the Dodgers moved from NY to LA. Does >anyone know what year they moved? > The Dodgers' first year in LA was 1958. " 9125,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 11/15 - Upcoming Planetary Probes Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 243 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 20:00:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/new_probes Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:17 $ UPCOMING PLANETARY PROBES - MISSIONS AND SCHEDULES Information on upcoming or currently active missions not mentioned below would be welcome. Sources: NASA fact sheets, Cassini Mission Design team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits. ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20 Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas scintillation proportional counters. CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini is scheduled for launch aboard a Titan IV/Centaur in October of 1997. After gravity assists of Venus, Earth and Jupiter in a VVEJGA trajectory, the spacecraft will arrive at Saturn in June of 2004. Upon arrival, the Cassini spacecraft performs several maneuvers to achieve an orbit around Saturn. Near the end of this initial orbit, the Huygens Probe separates from the Orbiter and descends through the atmosphere of Titan. The Orbiter relays the Probe data to Earth for about 3 hours while the Probe enters and traverses the cloudy atmosphere to the surface. After the completion of the Probe mission, the Orbiter continues touring the Saturnian system for three and a half years. Titan synchronous orbit trajectories will allow about 35 flybys of Titan and targeted flybys of Iapetus, Dione and Enceladus. The objectives of the mission are threefold: conduct detailed studies of Saturn's atmosphere, rings and magnetosphere; conduct close-up studies of Saturn's satellites, and characterize Titan's atmosphere and surface. One of the most intriguing aspects of Titan is the possibility that its surface may be covered in part with lakes of liquid hydrocarbons that result from photochemical processes in its upper atmosphere. These hydrocarbons condense to form a global smog layer and eventually rain down onto the surface. The Cassini orbiter will use onboard radar to peer through Titan's clouds and determine if there is liquid on the surface. Experiments aboard both the orbiter and the entry probe will investigate the chemical processes that produce this unique atmosphere. The Cassini mission is named for Jean Dominique Cassini (1625-1712), the first director of the Paris Observatory, who discovered several of Saturn's satellites and the major division in its rings. The Titan atmospheric entry probe is named for the Dutch physicist Christiaan Huygens (1629-1695), who discovered Titan and first described the true nature of Saturn's rings. Key Scheduled Dates for the Cassini Mission (VVEJGA Trajectory) ------------------------------------------------------------- 10/06/97 - Titan IV/Centaur Launch 04/21/98 - Venus 1 Gravity Assist 06/20/99 - Venus 2 Gravity Assist 08/16/99 - Earth Gravity Assist 12/30/00 - Jupiter Gravity Assist 06/25/04 - Saturn Arrival 01/09/05 - Titan Probe Release 01/30/05 - Titan Probe Entry 06/25/08 - End of Primary Mission (Schedule last updated 7/22/92) GALILEO - Jupiter orbiter and atmosphere probe, in transit. Has returned the first resolved images of an asteroid, Gaspra, while in transit to Jupiter. Efforts to unfurl the stuck High-Gain Antenna (HGA) have essentially been abandoned. JPL has developed a backup plan using data compression (JPEG-like for images, lossless compression for data from the other instruments) which should allow the mission to achieve approximately 70% of its original objectives. Galileo Schedule ---------------- 10/18/89 - Launch from Space Shuttle 02/09/90 - Venus Flyby 10/**/90 - Venus Data Playback 12/08/90 - 1st Earth Flyby 05/01/91 - High Gain Antenna Unfurled 07/91 - 06/92 - 1st Asteroid Belt Passage 10/29/91 - Asteroid Gaspra Flyby 12/08/92 - 2nd Earth Flyby 05/93 - 11/93 - 2nd Asteroid Belt Passage 08/28/93 - Asteroid Ida Flyby 07/02/95 - Probe Separation 07/09/95 - Orbiter Deflection Maneuver 12/95 - 10/97 - Orbital Tour of Jovian Moons 12/07/95 - Jupiter/Io Encounter 07/18/96 - Ganymede 09/28/96 - Ganymede 12/12/96 - Callisto 01/23/97 - Europa 02/28/97 - Ganymede 04/22/97 - Europa 05/31/97 - Europa 10/05/97 - Jupiter Magnetotail Exploration HITEN - Japanese (ISAS) lunar probe launched 1/24/90. Has made multiple lunar flybys. Released Hagoromo, a smaller satellite, into lunar orbit. This mission made Japan the third nation to orbit a satellite around the Moon. MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity map. MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for one martian year (687 days). TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global observations of the sea level for several years, substantially increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also will increase understanding of how heat is transported in the ocean. ULYSSES- European Space Agency probe to study the Sun from an orbit over its poles. Launched in late 1990, it carries particles-and-fields experiments (such as magnetometer, ion and electron collectors for various energy ranges, plasma wave radio receivers, etc.) but no camera. Since no human-built rocket is hefty enough to send Ulysses far out of the ecliptic plane, it went to Jupiter instead, and stole energy from that planet by sliding over Jupiter's north pole in a gravity-assist manuver in February 1992. This bent its path into a solar orbit tilted about 85 degrees to the ecliptic. It will pass over the Sun's south pole in the summer of 1993. Its aphelion is 5.2 AU, and, surprisingly, its perihelion is about 1.5 AU-- that's right, a solar-studies spacecraft that's always further from the Sun than the Earth is! While in Jupiter's neigborhood, Ulysses studied the magnetic and radiation environment. For a short summary of these results, see *Science*, V. 257, p. 1487-1489 (11 September 1992). For gory technical detail, see the many articles in the same issue. OTHER SPACE SCIENCE MISSIONS (note: this is based on a posting by Ron Baalke in 11/89, with ISAS/NASDA information contributed by Yoshiro Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp). I'm attempting to track changes based on updated shuttle manifests; corrections and updates are welcome. 1993 Missions o ALEXIS [spring, Pegasus] ALEXIS (Array of Low-Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors) is to perform a wide-field sky survey in the ""soft"" (low-energy) X-ray spectrum. It will scan the entire sky every six months to search for variations in soft-X-ray emission from sources such as white dwarfs, cataclysmic variable stars and flare stars. It will also search nearby space for such exotic objects as isolated neutron stars and gamma-ray bursters. ALEXIS is a project of Los Alamos National Laboratory and is primarily a technology development mission that uses astrophysical sources to demonstrate the technology. Contact project investigator Jeffrey J Bloch (jjb@beta.lanl.gov) for more information. o Wind [Aug, Delta II rocket] Satellite to measure solar wind input to magnetosphere. o Space Radar Lab [Sep, STS-60 SRL-01] Gather radar images of Earth's surface. o Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer [Dec, Pegasus rocket] Study of Stratospheric ozone. o SFU (Space Flyer Unit) [ISAS] Conducting space experiments and observations and this can be recovered after it conducts the various scientific and engineering experiments. SFU is to be launched by ISAS and retrieved by the U.S. Space Shuttle on STS-68 in 1994. 1994 o Polar Auroral Plasma Physics [May, Delta II rocket] June, measure solar wind and ions and gases surrounding the Earth. o IML-2 (STS) [NASDA, Jul 1994 IML-02] International Microgravity Laboratory. o ADEOS [NASDA] Advanced Earth Observing Satellite. o MUSES-B (Mu Space Engineering Satellite-B) [ISAS] Conducting research on the precise mechanism of space structure and in-space astronomical observations of electromagnetic waves. 1995 LUNAR-A [ISAS] Elucidating the crust structure and thermal construction of the moon's interior. Proposed Missions: o Advanced X-ray Astronomy Facility (AXAF) Possible launch from shuttle in 1995, AXAF is a space observatory with a high resolution telescope. It would orbit for 15 years and study the mysteries and fate of the universe. o Earth Observing System (EOS) Possible launch in 1997, 1 of 6 US orbiting space platforms to provide long-term data (15 years) of Earth systems science including planetary evolution. o Mercury Observer Possible 1997 launch. o Lunar Observer Possible 1997 launch, would be sent into a long-term lunar orbit. The Observer, from 60 miles above the moon's poles, would survey characteristics to provide a global context for the results from the Apollo program. o Space Infrared Telescope Facility Possible launch by shuttle in 1999, this is the 4th element of the Great Observatories program. A free-flying observatory with a lifetime of 5 to 10 years, it would observe new comets and other primitive bodies in the outer solar system, study cosmic birth formation of galaxies, stars and planets and distant infrared-emitting galaxies o Mars Rover Sample Return (MRSR) Robotics rover would return samples of Mars' atmosphere and surface to Earch for analysis. Possible launch dates: 1996 for imaging orbiter, 2001 for rover. o Fire and Ice Possible launch in 2001, will use a gravity assist flyby of Earth in 2003, and use a final gravity assist from Jupiter in 2005, where the probe will split into its Fire and Ice components: The Fire probe will journey into the Sun, taking measurements of our star's upper atmosphere until it is vaporized by the intense heat. The Ice probe will head out towards Pluto, reaching the tiny world for study by 2016. NEXT: FAQ #12/15 - Controversial questions " 9126,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1993Apr20.220335.9235@linus.mitre.org> glover@tafs2.mitre.org (Graham K. Glover) writes: > If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented > and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> > (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << > absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite > (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? Of course not. The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again. > > Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! > > ---------------- > Graham K. Glover > ---------------- > > UNMUTUAL -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 9127,8,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 17 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: >In article jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes: >> Ok, hold on a second and clarify something for me: > >> What does ""DWI"" stand for ? I thought it was ""DUI"" for Driving Under >>Influence, so here what does W stand for ? > >Driving While Intoxicated. > >This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her >case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor! Here it's driving while impaired. That about covers everything. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada " 9128,16,From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: Die Koresh Die! Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 9 The explanations of Federal law enforcement officials about what happened in Waco is just another example of the survivors writing the history books to put themselves in the best of a bad light. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. 9129,7,"From: don@bcars194.bnr.ca (Don Skanes) Subject: Jeep Laredo experiences Keywords: Jeep, Laredo Nntp-Posting-Host: bcars194 Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 10 I have been looking at buying a 1989 Jeep Laredo and was wondering if anyone had any bad or good experiences with this model. Is it all that much different than the other YJs? It looks, feels and sounds like a nice vehicle even thought the price is rather steep for an '89 (12K Canadian). -- don@bnr.ca " 9130,11,"From: carl@lvsun.com (Carl Shapiro) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Summary: Benefits probably greater than thought Organization: Las Vegas Sun Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes: >A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million >dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S. >wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28 >billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].) >I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but You seem to be assuming that all arrests are of equal value, and that the use of wiretaps is spread uniformly among them. Given this comparatively tiny number of wiretaps, and the associated difficulty and cost involved (judges, technicians, etc) I expect that law enforcement reserves the use of wiretaps for the most valuable cases. Since the ""value"" of an arrest can vary over an enormous range (eg. jaywalking -> mass murder) I think your $5 million estimate may be too low by a couple of orders of magnitude. " 9131,9,"From: dholle15@ursa.calvin.edu (David Hollebeek) Subject: Phillies Mailing List? Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa Organization: Calvin College Lines: 7 Anyone know of a phillies mailing list out there? .... they don't get much coverage up here in Grand Rapids, MI *sob* -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Elaborate .signature files are for people who aren't as busy as I am"" -DH 1992 ---------------------David-Hollebeek---dholle15@ursa.calvin.edu---------------- " 9132,8,"From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 43 mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: mjs>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the mjs>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry and the ground clearance of the mjs> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and mjs>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mjs>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster mjs>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise?? egreen@east.sun.com writes: ed>If he's not, I will. Hey Ed, you didn't give me the chance! Sheesh! The answer is, absolutely!, as Ed so eloquently describes: ed>Put two riders on identical machines. It's the ed>one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster. It *may* ed>be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is, ed>through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology. ed>Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ed>improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human ed>endeavor). Herein lies the key to this thread: Kindly note the difference in the responses. Ed (and I) are talking about knowing riding technique, while Mike is arguing knowing the physics behind it. It *is* possible to be taught the technique of countersteering (ie: push the bar on the inside of the turn to go that way) *without* having to learn all the fizziks about gyroscopes and ice cream cones and such as seen in the parallel thread. That stuff is mainly of interest to techno-motorcycle geeks like the readers of rec.motorcycles ;^), but doesn't need to be taught to the average student learning c-steering. Mike doesn't seem to be able to make the distinction. I know people who can carve circles around me who couldn't tell you who Newton was. On the other hand, I know very intelligent, well-educated people who think that you steer a motorcycle by either: 1) leaning, 2) steering a la bicycles, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2. Knowledge of physics doesn't get you squat - knowledge of technique does! Mr. Bill " 9133,10,"From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) Subject: Re: SHARKS: Kingston Fired!!! Organization: Stanford Exploration Project Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: himalaya.stanford.edu In article <1993Apr20.165132.9777@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.085337.27224@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes: |> >I think that Jack Ferreira's firing eventually led to Kingston's |> >firing. You mention consistency of vision. I think the |> >Sharks lost that with the loss of Ferreira. There has never |> >been a 3 headed G.M. that has ever worked. You need one |> >person making the personnel decisions at the top, not |> >management by committee. The conventional wisdom |> >from around the league is that Ferreira would have |> >made the moves that would have fielded a better product |> >on the ice. |> |> How exactly would Ferreira accomplished this? The three-headed GM-ship has |> taken a lot of heat, but nobody's explained how things would have been any |> different had Ferreira still been there. Would Ferreira have made more |> trades? Who would have he had traded? Would he have made fewer trades? |> Who should not have been traded? I think the three-headed GM's guiding principle was to keep veterans in favor of youngsters only if they offered a ""significant"" advantage. At the end of last season, the contracts of several veterans with somewhat maginal contributions (Fenton, Bozek, Anderson, and a couple others I can't remember) were bought out. The idea was that youngsters could play almost as well, and had the potential to improve where these older guys did not. And they traded Mullen, because he wanted to go, not because he wasn't good enough, but I think they were a bit too optimistic in thinking they could make up for his contributions. An example from this season, Skriko was brought in on a trial basis but not kept, because of his age. I thought he was a decent contributor worth keeping around. The youth movement has its advantages; look at Gaudreau who might still be in KC if more veterans had been kept around. But you have to find the right balance. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Cole (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve) Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305 " 9134,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Symbiotics: Zionism-Antisemitism Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500355:000:10647 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:14:00 1993 Lines: 197 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Symbiotics: Zionism-Antisemitism Zionism and the Holocaust -------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews. The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While the industru of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, its roots were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish aspirations for emancipation emerged out of the national struggles in Europe. When the hopes for liberation through bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other alternatives for improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved prominence. The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had to contend with opposition from a new and small, almost insignificant opponent, the political Zionists. In outline these two offered diametrically opposed options for Jews in Europe. While the Bund was suggesting joining forces with the rest of Europe's workers, the Zionists were proposing a new programme aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a Jewish state. Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of forces involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option tree: every time a certain option is chosen, other routes become barred. Because of that choice, movement backwards to the point before that choice was made is impossible. While Zionism as an option was taken by many young Jews, it remained a minority position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The Zionist Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to represent the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an interantional organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was the only international organisation allowed to operate during this period. From a marginal position, the leaders of the Zionist Federation were propelled to a prominence and centrality that surprised even them. All of a sudden they attained political power, power based not on representation, but from being selected as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the the 'Jewish problem'. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements that affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in Germany transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in Germany (and some other countries in Europe) into a real option to be considered by German Jews. The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934. Immediately after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the world supported or were organising a world wide boycott of German goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi regime and the German authorities searched frantically for a way disabling the boycott. It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull out, the campaign would collapse. This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi party as early as 21. June 1933, outlined the degree of agreement that existed between the two organisations on the question of race, nation, and the nature of the 'Jewish problem', and it offered to collaborate with the new regime: ""The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of Jews abroad against the German development. Boycott propaganda - such as is currently being carried out against Germany in many ways - is in essence unZionist, because Zionism wants not to do battle but to convince and build."" In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new regime, the Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. The main public act was the signature of the ""Transfer Agreement"" with the Nazi authorities during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In essence, the agreement was designed to get Germany's Jews out of the country and into Mandate Palestine. It provided a possibility for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property out of the country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This right was denied to Jews leaving to any other destination. The Zionist organisation was the acting agent, through its financial organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts - 'helping' Jews to leave the country, breaking the ring of the boycott, exporting German goods in large quantities to Palestine, and last but not least, enabling the regime to be seen as humane and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies, the Jews. After all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now the Jews come and agree with them. After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the Zionist Organization found it possible and necessary to deal with the Nazis, and import their goods, who could argue for a boycott ? This was not the first time that the interests of both movements were presented to the German public as complementary. Baron Von Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish Department of the SS, later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to Palestine. This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader, Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a series of favourable articles in Der STURMER describing the 'new Jew' of Zionism, a Jew Nazis could accept and understand. This little-known episode established quite clearly the relationship during the early days of Nazism, between the new regime and the ZVfD, a relationship that was echoed later in a number of key instances, even after the nature of the Final Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a silencing of reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the Holocaust is Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust, by S. B. Beth-Zvi. In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen's play PERDITION is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of the real nature of events does not exist. It occured near the end of the war. The USSR had advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and the African bases had been lost. The Nazis were on the run, with a number of key countries, such as Rumania, leaving the Axis. A second front was a matter of months away, as the western Allies prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, the master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up his HZ in occupied Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in April 1944. His first act was to have a conference with the Jewish leadership, and to appoint Zionist Federation members, headed by Kastner as the agent and clearing house for all Jews and their relationship with the SS and the Nazr authorities. Why they did this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its three and a half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visibly different from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian Jews were an integrated part of the community. The middle class was mainly Jewish, the Jews were mainly middle-class. They enjoyed freedom of travel, served in the Hungarian (fascist) army in fronline units, as officers and soldiers, their names were Hungarian - how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in Hungary, most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other countries. Many had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and were unlikely to believe any statements by Nazi officials. Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat comprsied mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS, with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police, could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to Auschwitz, before he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met. The Committee faced a simple choice - to tell the Jews of Hungary about their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, being in most cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the Nazis by assisting in the concentration process. What would not have been believed when coming from the SS, sounded quite plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist leadership. Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to their death, assured by their leadership that they were to be sent to work camps. To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of destruction: the trains of 'prominents' which Eichmann promised to Kastner - a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it was a bargain: allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid for the silent collaboration over the death of almost a million Jews. There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be located, not to say murdered, without the full collaboration of Kastner and his few friends. No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews here and there, but the scale of the operation would have been miniscule compared to the half million who died in Auschwitz. It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, like say Rumkovsky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his strongly held Zionist convictions. His actions were a logical outcome of earlier positions. This is instanced when he exposed to the Gestapo the existence of a British cell of saboteurs, Palgi and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so as not to disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere, did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those Jews. To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was connected to another role they could, and should have played, that of alarming the whole world to what was happening in Europe. They had the information, but politically it was contrary to their priorities. The priorities were, and still are, quite simple: All that furthers the Zionist enterprise in Palestine is followed, whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews and non-Jews, are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists, Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so be it. " 9135,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Insurance and lotsa points... Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. Now what do I do? (I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,... ) -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 9136,8,"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 44 In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes: >In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >> >Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow >to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock >is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless >there is a dyno handy. I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc. Apparently they back them of some even for track use. You pays your money ... __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous >-- >Stamos ZZR11 Ellas >Ericsson, Cellular Design >Montreal, Canada. " 9137,10,"From: loh@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Meng-Wei Loh) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 27 rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >In article <115331@bu.edu>, icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: >|> >|> The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida; >|> it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell >|> the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This >|> community >|> has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. >|> The >|> teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to >|> try >|> to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language >|> tv and radio coverage? >|> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. Well, suffice to say that it is a sport for those able to make the substantial investment in equipment, etc. But here's something, do you think that the availability of in-line skates and road hockey could contribute to a rise in awareness of ice hockey? I would argue this is having an effect here. Kids play ice hockey in the winter and road hockey in the summer with in-line skates. " 9138,1,"From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Farley) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 25 In article <0010580B.vmcbrt@diablo.UUCP> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: >I've been trying to figure out a way to get Adobe Illustrator >to auto-trace >exactly< what I see on my screen. But it misses >the edges of templates by as many as 6 pixels or more - resulting in images >that are useless - I need exact tracing, not approximate. > >I've tried adjusting the freehand tolerances as well as autotrace >tolerances but it doesn't help. Any suggestions? > >-- >charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against >cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? >+1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. I've had exactly the same problems in Aldus Freehand. I think autotracing is one of those ""features"" that barely works, but everybody feels compelled to throw it in because the other guys are doing it. :) -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 " 9139,5,"From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Nntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.65 Organization: Texaco Lines: 24 In article <27808.9304211039@scorpion.dps.co.uk>, gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes: |> |> pyeatt@Texaco.com writes: |> |> >> There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or |> >> GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it |> >> allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, |> >> glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. |> |> Where do I get hold of these widgets? |> |> Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) |> Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. They come with every Iris now. Nth also ships it with their latest version of Nth Portable GL. I just got the update a couple of weeks ago. I would assume that Silicon Graphics would license the source to you so that you can include it in your company's GL offering. -- Larry D. Pyeatt The views expressed here are not Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com those of my employer or of anyone Voice : (713) 975-4056 that I know of with the possible exception of myself. " 9140,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Response to Paul Schmidt Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 64 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >: >: As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >: is insuring that the ""limited government"" they seek does not become the >: tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >: >: Believe it or not, we ""liberals"" are frequently as opposed to >: anti-competitive measures as you ""conservatives."" We don't believe, >: however, that competition will necessarily be protected by the actions >: of business interests in a ""free-market."" After all, in the example >: you cite, it was not ""liberals"" that pressed for such regulations, but >: good staunch conservative businessmen. >: >: As Adam Smith so eloquently demonstrated, the ""free-market"" is not >: something that capitalists seek to protect when they can profit from >: its elimination. The same point was made by Marx -- a point of agreement >: between the two theorists that should tell us something. > >I do not want the government to become a tool of private interests. >Limited government cannot insure that private interests will not use >this government for their own agenda. Agreed. >But this is not a failure of libertarianism. It is the fact that >""Utopia is not an option."" There is no single system where everything >is perfect. It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human condition. >So it is wise to look >for the best solution. If you compare countries to see which ones >people would rather live in, which ones have less starvation, hunger, >poverty, and misery, you will find that they have a more limitted >government than countries with alot of poverty, misery and suffering. >No, limitted government cannot ""insure"" anything, but it sure is better >than the alternative (big government.) This is a strawman argument and fails on several grounds. In this case, ""limited"" and ""big"" government are not defined. I would point out that Lebanon, Somalia, and the former Yugoslavia are by some definitions nations with ""limited"" government, while the US, Canada, and nations in Western Europe (where ""people would rather live"") are often pointed out as nations with ""big government"" from a libertarian point of view. The argument is not between those who want ""limited"" government and those who want ""unlimited"" government. It is between those who believe government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds. jsh >-- >Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 9141,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 40 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> |> -- |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org |> Mr. water-head, |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no |> water is being used on the lebanese |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support this? I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan had been writing it. Newsflash: Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea. The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment. Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered heavy casualties while doing so. |> Hasan -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 9142,1,"From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK Subject: (None set) Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk ============================================================================== Bear with me i'm new at this game, but could anyone explain exactly what DMORF does, does it simply fade one bitmap into another or does it re shape one bitma p into another. Please excuse my ignorance, i' not even sure if i've posted thi s message correctly. " 9143,1,"From: hugo@hydra.unm.edu (patrice cummings) Subject: polygon orientation in DXF? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu Hi. I'm writing a program to convert .dxf files to a database format used by a 3D graphics program I've written. My program stores the points of a polygon in CCW order. I've used 3D Concepts a little and it seems that the points are stored in the order they are drawn. Does the DXF format have a way of indicating which order the points are stored in, CW or CCW? Its easy enough to convert, but if I don't know which way they are stored, I dont know which direction the polygon should be visible from. If DXF doesn't handle this, can anyone recommend a workaround? The best I can think of is to create two polygons for each one in the DXF file, one stored CW and the other CCW. But that doubles the number of polygons and decreases speed... Thanks in advance for any help, Patrice hugo@hydra.unm.edu " 9144,13,"From: tron@fafnir.la.locus.com (Michael Trofimoff) Subject: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Distribution: usa Lines: 12 Hi All, Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? Thanks, -=< tron >=- e-mail: tron@locus.com *Vidi, vici, veni* " 9145,1,"From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Originator: jmcocker@c00053-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 29 In article , fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes: |> |> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of |> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading |> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 |> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts |> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum |> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> Just curious. |> |>I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the |>split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us |>who are less omnivorous. There is no ""waste"" in creating news |>groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem |>with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time |>on this as it is. |> Yes, but... shouldn't size of newsgroup be an issue? Sorry if this has been covered before, but comp.grahpics.animation get how much traffic per day? 50 articles? Maybe 70 on an extremely heavy day? I've been following this group for about four months now, and I don't recall ever seeing such a flood of posts that a split would be warranted. Just my 2 cents, Mitch------------------------------------>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu ""Who doth render with 386sx-20 knoweth frustration."" " 9146,9,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: proposed catcher re-sub rule Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu The Red Sox usually have 2 catchers. I don't think they have a backup now, but they used to use Randy Kutcher as a backup catcher, as well as a middle infielder and outfielder. You don't need a good 3rd catcher, just a competent one, so you can afford to lose a little catching ability and pick a player who can be of use elsewhere on the field. -- John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) " 9147,2,"From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 26 Justin Whitton (ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk) wrote: : In article edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes: : : thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: : : I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. : : I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures : from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-) The black ink is waterfast, but the color isn't : : I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet. : : -- : /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ : |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..| : |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \------------------------------| : |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. | : |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. | : \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ Bob Taylor HP Vancouver " 9148,4,"From: mantolov@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Michael Antolovich) Subject: Re: Ethernet card that uses A/Rose? Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia Lines: 11 In article aaron_bratcher@fpm.uchicago.edu (Aaron Bratcher) writes: >Does anyone know if there is an ethernet card that takes advantage of the >A/Rose extension? Hey what does the A/Rose extension do anyway ? Michael -- ________________________________________________________________ \ Michael Antolovich in Wagga Wagga, a great place to be be... / \ mantolovich@csu.edu.au OR antolovich@zac.riv.csu.edu.au / \__________________________________________________________/ " 9149,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 108 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) write: >In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. >What group is this? This is not a MAC group. Nice of you to DELETE BOTH YOUR responce and the item that prompted it. to whit: >>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I ^^^ >>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. To which YOU responded: >A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245 >million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets >close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers? To which I correctly pointed out the following: >Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. As I said this is sloppy and DUMB {YOU should resounded by DISCOUNTING the Mac NOT giving ""Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320"" example. By giving an example you give the IMPLIED consent that for MAC info to be INCLUDED in the SCSI discusion.} >>Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: >Why the spec list again? We are talking SCSI on a PC, not on a MAC or >a UNIX box. And we are talking ISA bus, or possibly EISA or VLB. Ok I will do this V E R Y S L O W L Y so you can understand REGUARDLESS of whether it is a Mac or a PC SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 are DIFFERENT from each other as is asynchronous and synchronous SCSI-1. All of these have DIFFERENT SPEEDS and COSTS. Lumping them all together as 'SCSI' is dumb and sloppy. Take again the quote later on as an example of the problem in the PC world {The spec list was so that you knew where the numbers were coming from in the article. It shows the article is CORRECT in it staments about SCSI but not CONSITANT}. >This isin't comp.periphs.SCSI. With the way this thread has gone how do you tell :-). >Tell me what the performance figures are with a single SCSI drive on a PC >with an ISA (or EISA or VLB) bus. Already GAVE them. YOU keep deleting them! So here are the Specs on everybody AGAIN {With some added info}: SCSI-1 {SCSI-1 controler chip} asynchronous range: 0-3MB/s synchronous range: 0-5MB/s Both common to the PC world; difference is mainly in software not hardware. SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 controller chip; also called SCSI-2 (8-bit)}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst. This is advertised as SCSI-2 in BYTE 4/93:159 FOR the PC and AT THESE SPEEDS.{NOT the Mac, the PC.} {I have not seen the following for EITHER the Mac or the PC} SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak: >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. asynchronous range: 0-5MB/s {infered from BYTE 4/93:159} synchronous range: 0-8.3MB/s. >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >Theoretical performance figures are not relevant to this group or this >debate. I'm sure that there are some platforms out there that can >handle the 40 megs/sec of SCSI xyz wide'n'fast, but the PC isin't one of >them. Note that I ALSO give the AVERAGE through put for SCSI-2 which holds true a Mac OR IBM/PC clone with the correct hardware and software. And since PC ADVERSIZEMENTS are using Theoretical performance figures WHY CANNOT WE? >>If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking >>about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2} >>IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >Well maybe if the SCSI design people had their act together than maybe >all PC's would have built in SCSI ports by now. With PC articles like the following it is obvious that the problem is NOT with SCSI but with the PEOPLE WHO REPORT IT! {Like YOU.} Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote: (My comments in {}) ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI,{This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..."" {this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2} PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 The ARTICLE is confused, NOT SCSI. The TERM is a mess from inconsitant use NOT because the interface itself is a mess. SCSI means ""The set of SCSI interfaces composed of SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2"" NOT 'SCSI-1' as some people want to use it. To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read: {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} ""Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the speed of IDE..."" or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2} ""Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..."" NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity. If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2}. Lumping everything into SCSI as SCSI-1 is SLOPPY, WRONG, and DUMB. Inconsitant SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 usage is also a problem. Clean it up now or have a mess like SVGA was several years ago because everybody and his Uncle slapped 'SCSA' an their own monitor inteface {SCSI IS standarized unlike SVGA was years ago EXCEPT in terminaology.} " 9150,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 66 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <93105.215548U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: > In article <1993Apr15.202811.29312@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, > andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > > > >>I have been at a shooting range where > >>gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. > > > >How do ""we"" know that they were gang members and not undercover cops > >or even law-abiding menacing minorities. BTW - Why the sneer quotes? > > > ""We"" know because the area that the gun shop/shooting range is in is right on > the border of the west side of Chicago. That is a gang infested area. There > are many, many bad things going on in that area. Also, I have several friends > that live very close to that area who have had problems with some of these > folks. By the way, where did I say that they were minorities? That was what I got from your phrasing, too. Well, then, were they (the ones you saw) black? You don't deny seem to deny it, either. > Do you think > that only minorities have gangs? Not so. As far as the quotes are concerned > it was totally obvious that they weren't just practicing for marksmanship. I > don't know about you but I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by > taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting. That is the recommended way to practice with a CCW, too. Aim alone is no good for defense, if you can't get the gun rapidly. > If > you would have been there Andy it would've been obvious to you too. What, outside of prejudice, would have made it obvious? > Of course > it might not have been. Who knows. All I do know is that I was there, I live > here and I know that they were gang bangers. When you live here long enough it > becomes pretty easy to spot them via gang colors, gang signs, etc. Yes, prejudice is more subtle in the north, isn't it? > One last > thing. My sister is a social worker. She makes it her point to find these > things out (gang signs, colors, etc) because it is in her best interest to do > so. She is nice enough to let me know these things so I can watch out for > myself as I live right on the border of the west side of the city. Enough said. > More than enough. I understand you completely. > Jason Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 9151,12,"From: NWZ96H@cheltenham-he.ac.uk (NWZ96H) Subject: Hatley & Pirbhai help... Lines: 12 Hello, Has anyone used the Requirements Analsys methodology Hatley & Pirbhai ? I am a British final year real-time degree student, and as a project I am covering this methodology. I would be very grateful to anyone who could give me their views on this method. Please mail me if you feel you can help, and I will send you my questions. Thanks in advance, David Phelps (nwz96h@chelt.ac.uk) " 9152,19,"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 Lines: 8 nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: : : Nut or not, he was clearly a liar. He said he would surrender after : local radio stations broadcast his message, but he didn't. Then he : said he would surrender after Passover, but he didn't. : The FBI said he would surrender. We don't KNOW what he said. " 9153,5,"From: kriss@frec.bull.fr (Christian Mollard) Subject: Re: Looking For David E. Smyth Reply-To: Christian.Mollard@ec.bull.fr Organization: Bull S.A. Echirolles Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr9.144859.10535@nynexst.com>, zvi@nynexst.com (Zvi Guter) writes: The author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found in the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de, but the mail bounced back. Any help in finding him will be greatly appreciated. Try david@ap542.uucp david%ap542@ztivax.siemens.com Xtian. / / Name: Christian Mollard / / / __/ Email: C.Mollard@frec.bull.fr / / __/ / __/ __/ Phone: (33) 76 39 78 92 / / / / __ / __ / Bull: 229 78 92 / __/ __/ __/ __/ _____/ _____/ Fax: (33) 76 39 76 00 / / Address: BULL S.A., B.P. 208, 38432 Echirolles Cedex, France / ____________________________________________________________________/ " 9154,1,"From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics/CAD) Subject: Re: Fonts in POV?? Nntp-Posting-Host: bart Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal Lines: 27 Hi. The RTrace ray tracer supports 3D text as a primitive, not collections of spheres, cylinders and so on... The 3D chars are made of lines and splines that are extruded... Please have a look at asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace. In pub/RTrace/tmp there are some demo images with high quality text. All of them are called Text?.jpg (JPEG encoded). See them first and then tell me what you think. Regards, Antonio. ......................................................................... O O / / I N E S C | O | Antonio Costa | E-Mail acc@asterix.inescn.pt | |\ | O | acosta@porto.inescn.pt | | \ | / O Comp. Graphics & CAD | DECnet porto::a_costa | | \| / / | | | / | | Largo Mompilher 22 | UUCP {mcvax,...}!... O | |-O | | 4100 Porto PORTUGAL | Bell +351+02+321006 / \ / \ O O O ""Let the good times roll..."" " 9155,16,"From: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Reply-To: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) Organization: CMP Publications, Inc., Manhasset, NY Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339 @gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Surrender your arms. Soon enough, > officers will be around to collect > them. Resistance is useless. They > ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ > will overwhelm you - one at a time. Are you certain you didn't mean to post to alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg? You'd better rush home...I hear Kruschev calling ""Come to papa, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!"" ""I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit, using stone knives and bearskins."" --Spock - Humble Typesetter - " 9156,14,"From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,) Subject: Re: Soviet Space Book Reply-To: landis@stsci.edu Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD Lines: 9 What in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang down in Alabama? I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that Aerospace Ambassadors have disappeared. Can anyone else confirm?? ++Rob Landis STScI, Baltimore, MD " 9157,1,"From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) Subject: VGA Mode 13h Routines Available Nntp-Posting-Host: suncad.camosun.bc.ca Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 31 Hi there, I've made a VGA mode 13h graphics library available via FTP. I originally wrote the routines as a kind of exercise for myself, but perhaps someone here will find them useful. They are certainly useable as they are, but are missing some higher-level functionality. They're intended more as an intro to mode 13h programming, a starting point. *** The library assumes a 386 processor, but it is trivial to modify it *** for a 286. If enough people ask, I'll make the mods and re-post it as a *** different version. The routines are written in assembly (TASM) and are callable from C. They are fairly simple, but I've found them to be very fast (for my purposes, anyway). Routines are included to enter and exit mode 13h, define a ""virtual screen"", put and get pixels, put a pixmap (rectangular image with no transparent spots), put a sprite (image with see-thru areas), copy areas of the virtual screen into video memory, etc. I've also included a simple C routine to draw a line, as well as a C routine to load a 256 color GIF image into a buffer. I also wrote a quick'n'dirty(tm) demo program that bounces a bunch of sprites around behind three ""windows"". The whole package is available on spang.camosun.bc.ca in /pub/dos/vgl.zip It is zipped with pkzip 2.04g It is completely in the public domain, as far as I'm concerned. Do with it whatever you like. However, it'd be nice to get credit where it's due, and maybe an e-mail telling me you like it (if you don't like it don't bother) Mark morley@camosun.bc.ca " 9158,1,"From: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com (Brian H. Safford) Subject: IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows Organization: EDS/Cadillac Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ccadmn1.cad.gmeds.com Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance. +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Brian H. Safford EMAIL: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com | | Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6302 | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, | | and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ " 9159,3,"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: DX3/99 Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr3.163556.24998@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.011823.22935@kpc.com>, pcarmack@gimp.kpc.com (Phil Carmack) writes: > > ....there are people who are performance driven enough to do it. > > If it weren't so people wouldn't buy Pentium(tm) systems in the first > > place since they could buy a 486DX3/99 that would run their existing > > applications faster. Certainly a 486DX3/99 is in the same ""league"" as > > a Pentium(tm). > > Is the 486DX3/99 anything more than a myth? I haven't heard of it > from any source that I trust, and I sure don't see any ads for DX3/99 > machines in Computer Shopper. Intel is pretty busy with the Pentium > right now; I can't seem them introducing their own competition. > IBM has displayed a 486DX3/99 as a *TECHNOLOGY DEMO*. This effectivly means - ""here's some neat technology"". It is not a commitment to make such an item... > -- > Keith Mancus > N5WVR > ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, > when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 " 9160,2,"From: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Reply-To: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr16.145322.16378@nlm.nih.gov>, dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >> >>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >>if anyone else had seen this. >> > >As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. >It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute >or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I >susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded >a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. >Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. >It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, >I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it >before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here >usually are far more in the know. > >--Don Lindbergh >dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov I haven't seen this particular problem, but another place you might check is if your BIOS is doing video shadowing--Diamond wants that turned off. That might cause a memory conflict as well. Good luck. Hope this helps, Chris Loschen, Brandeis U. " 9161,4,"From: b91926@fnclub.fnal.gov (David Sachs) Subject: Re: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: fnclub.fnal.gov Keywords: backup, tape, In article , generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) writes: |> |> I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under |> Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access |> the device. Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools |> to access this device? |> |> Appreciate any info/comments. |> |> --curtis |> -- |> Curtis C. Generous generous@sti.nasa.gov (703) 685-1140 |> NASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546 Retrospect (Dantz) works nicely with this combination. You can buy it from the mail order vendors. " 9162,5,"Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3 From: Subject: change default visual Lines: 5 My HP720 workstation uses PseudoColor (id 0x21, 255 colors) as the default visual. How can I start X with different visual as default? " 9163,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: edu breaths Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: |In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: |>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: |>| |>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike |>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. |> |>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals. I |>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of ""cruiser"" |>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but. | |Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference |between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals. Yes, yes, yes. Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us. This is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport. |Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders |(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold? Please quantify your generalization for us. Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch of people. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon " 9164,13,"From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Subject: GETTING AIDS FROM ACUPUNCTURE NEEDLES Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu someone wrote in expressing concern about getting AIDS from acupuncture needles..... Unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who themselves has AIDS..it is unlikely (not impossible) they will get AIDS from acupuncture needles. Generally, even if accidently inoculated, the normal immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant involved with acupuncture needle insertion. Most acupuncturists use disposable needles...use once and throw away. They do this because you are not the only one concerned about transmission of diseases via this route...so it's good business to advertise ""disposable needlesused here."" These needles tend to be of a lower quality however, being poorly manufactured and too ""sharp"" in my opinion. They tend to snag bloodvessels on insertion compared to higher quality needles. If I choose to use acupuncture for a given complaint, that patient will get their own set of new needles which are sterilized between treatments. The risk here for hepatitis, HIV, etc. transmission is that I could mistakenly use an infected persons needles accidently on the wrong patient...but clear labelling and paying attention all but eliminates this risk. Better quality needles tend to ""slide"" past vessels and nerves avoiding unpleasant painful snags..and hematomas...so I use them. Acupuncture needles come in many lengths and thicknesses...but they are all solid when compared to their injection-style cousins. In China, herbal solutionsand western pharmaceuticals are occasionally injected into meridian points purported to have TCM physiologic effects and so require the same hollow needles used for injecting fluid medicine. This means...thinkingtiny...that a samll amount of tissue, the diameter of the needle bore, will be injected into the body as it would be in a typical ""shot."" when the skin is puntured. On the other hand when the solid acupuncture needle is inserted, the skin tends to ""squeeze"" the needle from the tip to the level of insertion such that any 'cooties' that haven't been schmeared away with alcohol before insertion, tend to remain on the surface of the skin minimizing invasion from the exterior. Of course in TCM...the body's exterior is protected by the Wei (Protective) Qi..so infection is unlikely....or in other words...there is a normal inflammatory and immune response that accompanies tissue damage incurred at the puncture site. While I'm fairly certain your friend will not have a transferable disease transmitted to them via acupuncture needle insertion, I would like to know for what complaint they have consulted the acupuncturist...not to know if it would be harmful.. but to know if it would be helpful. John Badanes, DC, CA romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu " 9165,2,"Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Lines: 13 Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet class error or something the like... Regards, Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be " 9166,9,"From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Article-I.D.: Princeto.1993Apr6.084432.3805 Organization: Princeton University Lines: 21 Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu In ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) writes: > I totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked >like a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux >pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball all >day? Oh, this is an easy trivia question. The answer is ""any Cub not named Sandberg or Grace."" > I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. Watching >the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about what >the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he >stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til >Sandberg returns! -- David M. Nieporent | ""Only one thing wrong with theory... niepornt@phoenix. | Is stupid! Is stupidest theory I ever heard!"" princeton.edu | --------------------- Baltimore Orioles 93 | Who's the dangerous cult -- the BDs or the BATF? " 9167,7,"From: jmiller@network.com (Jeff J. Miller) Subject: Re: Need info on Porsche 914's Nntp-Posting-Host: brew Reply-To: jmiller@network.com Organization: Network Systems Corporation Lines: 43 In article 6126@midway.uchicago.edu, buzy@quads.uchicago.edu (Len Buzyna) writes: >Hi there, >I've recently been toying with the idea of purchasing an old 914. The going >rate seems to be about $4000 for cars with anywhere from 40-80K Mi. >My question is this- what should I expect at this price? Should I expect to >have extensive body work done? What about engine & transmission- should I >likewise expect to have both virtually replaced? Along those lines, >does anyone have the names & addresses of any mail-order parts >suppliers for everything from engine to body parts? I'm completely new >to the area of restoring cars, and as I don't actually do any work with >cars, most of the work would have to be professionally done- what sould >I expect the cost of upgrading a 914 to a rust-free, mechanically >sound automobile? >Thanks in advance, >Andre >.. > True 914 enthusiasts will be able to give you a better answer then this but I'll dump my impressions. I've wanted to own a 914 for about 10 years now; came close once but I ended up buying a Fiero instead (biggest mistake of my life!) Anyway, for $4000 you should be able to get a nice car but your also set in the price range to get taken by a nice looker that is a pile of shit. The most common total failure for the car would be frame rust between the engine and passenger compartment. Also look for chassis welded together here. Oh yeah, the price range you are talking about must be the 4 banger; a 6 (if you could find one) would be mucho more bucks. Parts for the engine are pretty easy to come by (for an old car) and you can even locate crude in the JC Whitney catalog if you have too. The machine itself is pretty simple (they use the spare tire for windshild washer instead of a pump fer chris sake!) so getting it fixed by a good bug/porsche mechanic would be easy. Since it is mid-engine you may spend more on labor for any mechanical work. -- Jeff Miller Network Systems Corporation Internetwork Group 7600 Boone Avenue North jmiller@network.com Minneapolis MN 55428 (612)424-4888 " 9168,11,"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu [Apologies for not posting to alt.clipper, or whatever, but it seems it may not be in the newsfeed here.] There may be another reason (good from NSA's point of view, horrible from everyone else's) why the algorithm/chip design might be secret. First, note that the ""experts"" will only look at ""details"", and of just the algorithm: In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. Why not the chip design? Well, here's the possiblity: in addition to encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for ""voice- grepping"" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons thereof). I wouldn't put it past the NSA. Think how much easier it would make life for them. And if this is indeed the case, think of the possible public outcry should it become widely known. Thus the secrecy. It might be a good idea to have experts in DSP, voice recognition, and AI conversation-understanding to be on that panel, and insist they be given (authenticatable) design specs and implementation documentation. +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | Look out, kid, it's something that you did. | | God knows when, but you're doin' it again ... | +========================================================================+ " 9169,17,"From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Article-I.D.: news.C5Jowp.KJG Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 58 writes: > Mr. Tamamidis: >Before repling your claims, I suggest you be kind to individuals >who are trying to make some points abouts human rights, discriminations, >and unequal treatment of Turkish minority in GREECE.I want the World >know how bad you treat these people. You will deny anything I say but >It does not make any difrence because I will write things that I saw with >my eyes.You prove yourself prejudice by saying free insurance, school >etc. Do you Greeks only give these things to Turkish minority or >everybody has rights to get them.Your words even discriminate >these people. You think that you are giving big favor to these >people by giving these thing that in reality they get nothing. No. I do not thing we are doing them a favor. I have simply stated that they are not treated as a second class citizens. That was my point. I fail to see how my words show discrimination. And what do you mean that they do not get nothing? Is, for example, helth insurance, food, and tuition nothing? >If you do not know unhuman practices that are being conducted >by the Government of the Greece, I suggest that you investigate >to see the facts. Then, we can discuss about the most basic >human rights like fredom of religion, fredom of press of Turkish >minority, ethnic cleansing of all Turks in Greece,fredom of >right to have property without government intervention, >fredom of right to vote to choose your community leaders, >how Greek Government encourages people to destroy >religious places, houses, farms, schools for Turkish minority then >forcing them to go to turkey without anything with them. I'm sorry, but I cannot see any logical order in the above argument. >Before I conclude my writing, let me point out how Greeks are >treated in Turkey. We do not consider them Greek minority, instead >we consider a part of our society. What part exactly is this one? The people cannot even sell their property if they want to leave Turkey. The patriarch could not get a permision to renovate some buildings for decades; it needed a special agreement between the two goverments for this. Talk about a part of the society? Why has the size of the Greek community reduced to 1,500 old people and priests then? >There is no difference among people in Turkey. Yeah, you bet. >All big businesses >belong to Greeks in Turkey and we are proud to have them.unlike the >Greece which tries to destroy Turkish minority, We encourage all >minorities in Turkey to be a part of Turkish society. You are far off from the reality. >Aykut Atalay Atakan Panos Tamamidis " 9170,15,"From: tom_milligan@rainbow.mentorg.com Subject: Anyone with L'Abri Experiences Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation Lines: 6 I am curious if anyone in net-land has spent any time at any of the L'Abri houses throughout the world and what the experience was like, how it affected you, etc. Especially interesting would be experiences at the original L'Abri in Switzerland and personal interactions with Francis and/or Edith Schaeffer. Tom Milligan " 9171,5,"From: urathi@net4.ICS.UCI.EDU (Unmesh Rathi) Subject: Motif++ and Interviews Lines: 12 Hi, I am in the process of making the decision whether I should write c++ wrappers for motif myself or use Motif++ or Interviews. Though I have downloaded the tar files, I fail to see any documentation. I have two questions: 1) If you have used these or similar c++sy toolkits what has been your experience? 2) Where do I find reference books /documentation for them? any and all input will be greatly appreciated. /unmesh " 9172,0,"From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Subject: Re: New Member Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board Lines: 28 In article dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes: > > Hello. I just started reading this group today, and I think I am going >to be a large participant in its daily postings. I liked the section of >the FAQ about constructing logical arguments - well done. I am an atheist, >but I do not try to turn other people into atheists. I only try to figure >why people believe the way they do - I don't much care if they have a >different view than I do. When it comes down to it . . . I could be wrong. >I am willing to admit the possibility - something religious followers >dont seem to have the capability to do. > > Happy to be aboard ! > >Dave Fuller >dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland -- If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting, His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing " 9173,8,"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question? Organization: University of East Anglia Distribution: net Lines: 22 lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes: >There has been a running thread on the need to understand >countersteering. I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has >any basis in fact or study. The bottom line is: >The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among >the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study. >The ""average rider"" does not identify that countersteering alone >provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves, >even after many years of practice. I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure* to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable? " 9174,15,"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: If There Were No Hell Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 26 In shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com writes: > Here's a question that some friends and I were debating last night. > Q: If you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that > unbelievers simply remained dead, would you remain a Christian? (Reasoning pertinent to believing Xians deleted for space) It strikes me, for no apparent reason, that this is reversible. I.e., if I had proof that there existed a hell, in which I would be eternally punished for not believing in life, would that make me a Xian? (pardon my language) _Bloody_hell_no_! ...Of course, being merely a reversal of your thinking, this doesn't add anything _new_ to the debate, but... > Several friends disagreed, arguing the fear of hell was necessary > to motivate people to Christianity. To me that fatally undercuts the > message that God is love. A point very well taken, IMNSHO. -- ""Successful terrorism is called revolution, and is admired by history. Unsuccessful terrorism is just lowly, cowardly terrorism."" - Phil Trodwell on alt.atheism " 9175,8,"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: >2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in >about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up >till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a >motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes >a difference) It depends on the bike. Once you've found a bike you're interested in, call some insurance companies for rates. Some bikes are much cheaper to insure than you might think (my EX-500 only costs me $127/year in St. Louis; I'm 27) > >3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? For a first bike, I recommend 500cc's or less. And a bike short enough to get both feet on the ground when you stop. The one piece of advice EVERYONE will give you is to take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Rider's Course. See a dealer for details. In some states, completion of such a course can give you a break on insurance. It will also teach you to ride properly from the beginning, so you won't learn any bad habits. Good luck. Riding a motorcycle is the most fun you can have, naked or otherwise. Alan " 9176,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 103 In article <1993Apr02.025636.23256@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes: >/Why would it be immoral to hurt someone else? > /(me) >Because you wouldn't want it to happen to you. /(hudson) /Why does that make something immoral? Because you are not being consistent. Moral systems must be consistent. A person who thinks they can inflict pain on others, but doesn't want it inflicted upon themselves, has a double standard. And double standards are a violation of *any* moral system. (me) >Morality defines how we interact with other people; the rules that we >use to guide our daily affairs. Our conduct towards our fellow man. By >realizing that we don't like pain, we can also realize that other people >don't like it, either. /(hudson) /Of course we don't like pain. I don't like brussel sprouts. Are brussel /sprouts immoral? Pain isn't immoral, stupid. Pain itself is just a physiological reaction. What >>is<< immoral is subjecting unwilling individuals to pain. Or brussel sprouts, for that matter. (hudson) >/Is it immoral to produce these same chemical reactions in a test tube? > (me) >It isn't the chemical reaction that is wrong, bozo. It's making the human >being UNDERGO THE EFFECTS of the chemical reaction. Sorry; your cute >little analogy didn't survive for very long under scrutiny. /(hudson) /Why would it be wrong to make humans undergo the effects of the reactions /if humans are composed only of matter? What humans are composed of isn't the qualifying criteria of whether or not something would be wrong. /(hudson) /Is it wrong to make matter undergo chemical reactions? Yes, if it is sentient matter. /(me) />Nature is not a sentient force; there is no choice involved. Therefore, />no question of morality. /(hudson) /I actually heard a geologist entertain the notion that matter had a will. /There is some sentient force out there. Fine. I have also heard that the government is encoding the DNA for a new race of superhumans in ordinary drinking water. What's your point? /(hudson) /If humans are made only of matter, then choices are also chemical reactions, /so why is choice an important issue. And if that is the case, then god is only an idea contained in the minds of people (formed of matter) and on printed pages (also formed of matter) and does not really exist. I can do the argumentem ad absurdium just as well as you can, but it won't prove any points for you or me. Got anything relevant you want to talk about, or are you just playing cute little games? " 9177,0,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Radical Agnostic... NOT! Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 51 [reply to zazen@austin.ibm.com (E. H. Welbon)] >>> There is no means that i can possibly think of to prove beyond doubt >>>that a god does not exist (but if anyone has one, by all means, tell me >>>what it is). Therefore, lacking this ability of absolute proof, being an >>>atheist becomes an act of faith in and of itself, and this I cannot accept. >>> I accept nothing on blind faith. >>Invisible Pink Flying Unicorns! Need I say more? >...I harbor no beliefs at all, there is no good evidence for god >existing or not. Some folks call this agnosticism. It does not suffer >from ""blind faith"" at all. I think of it as ""Don't worry, be happy"". For many atheists, the lack of belief in gods is secondary to an epistemological consideration: what do we accept as a reliable way of knowing? There are no known valid logical arguments for the existence of gods, nor is there any empirical evidence that they exist. Most philosophers and theologians agree that the idea of a god is one that must be accepted on faith. Faith is belief without a sound logical basis or empirical evidence. It is a reliable way of knowing? There is probably nothing else most people would accept in the absence of any possibility of proof. Even when we agree to take someone elses word ""on faith"", we just mean that having found this person to be reliable in the past, we judge him likely to be a reliable source now. If we find faith less reliable than logic and empirical evidence everywhere else, why assume it will provide reliable knowledge about gods? The difference between the atheist and the theist is fundamentally then one of whether or not faith is held to be a reliable way of knowing, rather than, as some agnostic posters would have it, whether ones faith is in gods or no gods. The theist believes that faith is an acceptable basis for a belief in gods, even if he rejects faith as reliable at other times, for example in his work as a scientist. The atheist believes that only logic and empirical evidence lead to reliable knowledge. Agnosticism seems to me a less defensible position than theism or atheism, unless one is a sceptic in regards to all other knowledge. Without evidence, why should we believe in gods rather than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? I would also like to point out as others have that the atheist doesn't require absolute knowledge of the lack of gods. I don't believe that there is any such thing as absolute knowledge. Atheism is the best and simplest theory to fit the (lack of) facts and so should be held until contrary evidence is found. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell " 9178,6,"From: jb@access.digex.com (John Baker) Subject: FOR SALE: U.S. Robotics 2400 baud modem $25/OBO Article-I.D.: access.1prf3a$kn3 Distribution: na Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I am upgrading my computer systems to FAX modems, and am selling my 2 2400/1200/300 baud USR modems without FAX or error correction. One is internal ($25), the other is external ($30). Both are U.S. Robotics (the highest rated modem manufacturer). Add $4 shipping or pick up in the Washington DC area. Offers welcome. (I would trade either for a 1x3x70ns SIMM.) John Baker " 9179,18,"From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) Subject: Pro-abortion feminist leader endorses trashing of free speech rights Organization: NCSU Lines: 38 --- 51 Arrested for Defying Judge's Order at Abortion Protest Rally The Miami Herald, April 11, 1993 Melbourne, Florida -- [...] Circuit Judge Robert McGregor's order prohibits anti-abortion pickets within 36 feet of the property line of Aware Woman Center for Choice. Even across the street, they may not display pictures of dead fetuses or sing or chant loud enough to be heard by patients inside the clinic. The protesters say the ruling all but wiped out the First Amendment to the Constitution. ``This is our sidewalk,'' said Joe Carroll, 33, a landscaper who marched with his children, Mary Grace, 8, and John, 7. ``I am not a rescuer. I am not a trespasser. It's just that this is my sidewalk. I am not really protesting abortion. We are protesting denial of our rights of assembly, religion, speech. This judge is trashing the Constitution.'' The children's grandmother led them away, sobbing, as Carroll and his father were arrested. Outside the clinic, Eleanor Smeal, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Feminist Majority Foundation, called for the Florida Legislature and Congress to pass laws as tough as the judge's order, which covers only Brevard and Seminole counties. ``This cannot go on,'' she said. ``This is not freedom of speech, this is total psychological warfare with violence. It is ridiculous to have to ask clinics to go court-by-court . . . to get protection.'' [...] --- " 9180,18,"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 33 In <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >>1) So what? >So there are less gays, then the gays claim. >>Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... >> >I was wondering why I wasn't getting laid. Your bad English? (See quote above.) >Actually, I bet you more gay/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, >because more of them could have the ""option"" of living a straight life, and >with social pressures, probably would at least try. You'd lose that wager, if the supporting argument were part of it. >Did you know that is is a fact that homosexuality was comparatively high in >Hitler's storm troopers (SA) before he came to power. I wonder if they got to >put the triangles on themselves...... Did you know that Hitler himself was a devout Christian? And heterosexual? --Drywid -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes " 9181,5,"From: mbell@techbook.techbook.com (Max Bell) Subject: WANTED: Info on Dedicated X Server Kernel for Sun3/100 Series Organization: TECHbooks Public Access Lines: 9 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: techbook.techbook.com Summary: If you know where to find it, please send email. Keywords: sun kernel x server If anyone has any information about the existence or location of a dedicated X server kernel for the Sun3, please send email. I am trying to put some neglected Sun3s to good use but they don't have enough memory for SunOS 4.1.1. Thanks in advance for any help. -- /\ /\/ Max Bell | I used to think I'd emmigrate to escape / \/ /\ mbell@techbook.com | the tyrants, but now I think I'll stay ~~~~~~~~~ mbell@cie.uoregon.edu | and make them leave instead. " 9182,16,"From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Nntp-Posting-Host: taos Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division Lines: 30 In article <15240077@iftccu.ca.boeing.com>, bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes: |> / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 / |> |> >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread |> >""Terminator"", aka ""The Rifleman"", owned no firearms for several years |> >while posting in this group, as an example. There are others. |> |> Good point, Kirk. |> |> He's still around too. He's responded by email to a couple of my posts, |> and gosh darn, he's gotten down right civil! This happed about the time |> he got his first firearm. Wonder if there is a relationship here? Turns |> out that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start |> with) act responsibility once given the chance. I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email from him. I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. I guess it only seemed like years. Back to your regularly scheduled flame fest. -- Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) " 9183,4,"From: abravo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Andrew Bravo) Subject: asynch to synch on the mac Nntp-Posting-Host: mondrian.csufresno.edu Organization: California State University, Fresno Lines: 8 does anyone have any good code to drive the serial port in syncronos mode? I really need it BAD TIA abravo@mondrian.csufres.edu " 9184,10,"From: formeza@panix.com (The Owl) Subject: Re: Hockey Cards For Sale Keywords: Hockey Cards Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 87 In formeza@panix.com (The Owl) writes: In case anyone missed it, I'm reposting this and I'm also selling some other stuff. >I would like to sell a few of my Hockey Cards sets: >1990-91 Upperdeck Hockey Low #'s Sets $45 >This is the first Upperdeck Hockey Set made. Important rookie cards in it are: >Mogilny, Roenick, Belfour, Recchi, Stevens, Jagr, Nolan, Nedved, Ricci, >Sundin, Modano, Richter and others! The Beckett price is $42, but I'm >Charging $45 to cover the Shipping and Packaging. I've sold one, but I still have 2 left for sale. I also realize that $45 is alot of money, especially if you don't normally collect cards. So if enough people are interested, I'll break up the set into team sets. I'm not sure how much for each. It would be nice to just sell them for $3 each, but then the people who get the Whalers and Devils (Note, I'm not bagging on these teams its just that they don't have alot of good rookie cards in this set) would be subsidizing the people who want Chicago or Pittsburgh. So I'll have to make it varialble pricing. But most of them should be about $2 or $3 dollars. >1991-92 Score Pinnacle (Candian) Sets $45 >This is a very nice set, premium quality cards. Has second year cards of the >players above, plus Bure, Potvin, Falloon, and Lindros ($15 value) second year >cards,and the following rookie cards: Lidstrom Kamensky, Zelepukin, Roussel, >Konstantinov. Beckett Price is $50, but I have alot of these. >1991-92 Upperdeck Czechoslovakian Set $60 >This is a 100 card set of the 92 World Junior Tournament. Meant for sale in >Czechoslovakia, but didn't sell well there, and some of it filtere back in >to the US. The cards are Bilingual. Has Lachance, Kovalev, and Straka Rookies. >If your interested, please e-mail me. Thanks Ok someone asked for this one, but he's from Canada, if he can get me the money in US funds then its his, if not, the first person who writes in will be the alternate. Also I would like to sell 2 Upperdeck Pavel Bure rookie cards (note these are not in the UD low #'s set mentioned above). $16 each. They are $15 in the book, but the $1 goes for postage, packaging and insurance. And if there is something you want that you don't see, e-mail me, I may have it or may be able to get it for you. Thanks, >The Owl >Ted Formeza >formeza@sun.panix.com " 9185,5,"From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) Subject: Keysym database problems Keywords: X, Motif Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 31 I am having problems with a Motif application that when run on another machine (with different X paths, etc) can't find the XKeysymDB file. This causes a large warning output: Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfActivate Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfActivate:ManagerParentActivate()' Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfCancel Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfCancel:ManagerParentCancel()' Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfSelect Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfSelect:ManagerGadgetSelect()' ... .... .... etc. as the file is in a different location, but Xt seems to only look for it in the place where it is on the machine the app was compiled on. Is there any way to read the XKeysymDB manually with an X/Xt call so that additions to the XKeysymDB can be distributed with the application ? I have used trace(1) to find out what was going on, but I need a fix so that these translations in the application can be recognised. --tim ________________________________________________________________________________ Tim Liddelow for(;;) fork(); Systems Programmer Centre of Advanced Technology in Telecommunications My brain on a bad day. CITRI, Melbourne, Australia internet : tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au Phone : +61 3 282 2455 Fax : +61 3 282 2444 ________________________________________________________________________________ " 9186,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Keywords: philosphy, Greece, Persians, math Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 366 From: _Quantum_ Magazine, March/April 1993 pages 42-46 The Problem Book of Anania of Shirak ------------------------------------ ""On the ancient peak of Ararat The centuries have come like seconds And passed on."" -Avetik Issahakian by Yuri Danilov Some years ago Journalists interviewing celebrities liked to ask them: ""What books would you take with you if you were to go off on a space flight?"" And though the number of books allowed on the trip varied from 10 to 30, depending on the type of spacecraft and the generosity of the interviewer, and celebrities are people of the most varied tastes, ages, and professions, not one of them dared to say that he or she would want to take with them at least one book of arithmetic problems. Some of these people certainly excluded this kind of literature because they were trained in the humanities and had nothing but scorn for ""numbers"" (though secretly afraid of them). Others steered clear of such puzzle books because they were masters of incomparably more difficult branches of modern mathematics and didn't mind saying for all the world to hear that they didn't know how to solve mere arithmetic problems. Professional mathematicians were no exception. Here's what the Russian mathematician Alexander Khinchin, a specialist in statistics, wrote about arithmetic: ""I willingly confess that any time a fifth-grader asked me to help solve an arithmetic problem, it was a hard work for me, and sometimes I failed completely. Of course, like most of my friends, I could easily solve the problem by the natural algebraic route --constructing equations or sets of equations. But we were supposed to avoid using algebraic analysis at all costs! . . . By the way, it's a fact that is well known and oft repeated that, as a rule, neither high school graduates, nor students at teaching colleges, nor teachers beginning their careers (nor, I must add, scientific researchers) can solve arithmetic problems. It seems the only people in the world who are able to solve them are fifth-grade teachers."" Now, I'm not insisting that a book of arithmetic problems be included in the bookbag of anyone flying into space. But a sense of justice induces me to recommend one particular problem book, one that will satisfy the most fastidious taste and supply food for thought sufficient not only for a relatively short flight to the Moon but for a extended space voyage--say, to Venus and back. One for the ""road"" They both took out the books they brought for the road. Kingsley glanced at the Royal Astronomer's book and saw a bright cover with a group of cutthroats shooting at each other with revolvers. ""God knows what this kind of stuff leads to,"" thought Kingsley. The Royal Astronomer looked at Kingsley's book and saw the History of Herodotus. ""Good Lord, next he'll be reading Thucydides,"" thought the Royal Astronomer. --Fred Hoyle, The Black Cloud The book I'm talking about isn't very big, but its 24 problems constitute 24 elegant miniatures from seventh-century Armenia. Naive and wise at the same time, rich in striking detail and the bright coloration of the period, these problems are reminiscent of the reliefs on the famous monument of Armenian architecture, the church on the island of Akhtamar in Lake Van (in what is now Turkey_. They are as inseparable from the image of Armenia as the elegant letters of the Armenian alphabet, invented by Mesrop Mashtots, or the songs of Komitas, or the paintings of Saryan. An edition of these incredibly beautiful problems has long been a bibliographic rarity. It was published under the title Problems and Solutions of Vardapet [1] Anania of Shirak, Armenian Mathematician of the Seventh Century (translated and published by I. A. Orbeli, Petrograd, 1918). The abundance of close observations and wide-ranging information about the way of life and customs of that remote epoch when Anania of Shirak lived and worked have actually rendered a disservice to his problem book. For many years the book was known only to researchers in the humanities--specialists in Armenian history who jealously guarded their treasure and wouldn't let just anyone see it. Even now, after research by K. P. Patkanov, the learned monk Father Kaloust, J.I. Orbeli, A. Abramyan, V. K. Chaloyan, and others has brought the works of Anania of Shirak to light in scholarly circles, the general reader remains ignorant of the very existence of this remarkable problem book. Vardapet Anania of Shirak Once fell in love with the art of calculation, I thought that no philosophical notion can be constructed without number, considering it the mother of all wisdom. --Anania of Shirak Among ancient Armenian thinkers, Vardapet Anania of Shirak stands out because of the breadth of his interests and the unique mathematical orientation of his work. Some of his works have been preserved. In addition to the Problems and Solutions, the following tracts have found a special place in the estimation of scholars: On Weights and Measures, Cosmography and Calendrical Theory, and Armenian Geography of the Seventh Century A.D. (the authorship of the last work was long attributed to another outstanding thinker of ancient Armenia, Movses of Khoren). In his autobiography, Anania of Shirak has this to say about himself: I, Anania of Shirak, having studied all the science of our Armenian land and having learned the Holy Scripture intimately, in the expression of the psalmist, ""every day I illuminated the eyes of my mind."" Feeling myself lacking in the art of calculation, I came to the conclusion that it is fruitless to study philosophy, the mother of all sciences, without number. I could find in Armenia neither a man versed in philosophy nor books that explained the sciences. I therefore went to Greece and met in Theodosiople a man named Iliazar who was well versed in ecclesiastical works. He told me that in Forth Armenia [2] there lived a famous mathematician, Christosatur. I went this person and spent six months with him. But soon I noticed that Christosatur was a master not of all science but only of certain fragmentary facts. I then went to Constantinople, where I met acquaintances who told me: ""Why did you go so far, when much closer to us, in Trebizon, on the coast of Pontus [3] lives the Byzantine vardapet Tyukhik. He is full of wisdom, is known to kings, and knows Armenian literature."" I asked them how they knew this. They answered: ""We saw ourselves that many people traveled long distances to become pupils of so learned a man. Indeed the archdeacon of the patriarchate of Constantinople, Philagrus, traveled with us, bringing many young persons to become pupils of Tyukhik."" When I heard this, I expressed my gratitude to God, who had quenched the thirst of His slave. I went to Tyukhik at the monastery of St. Eugene and explained why I had come. He received me graciously and said: ""I praise Our Lord that He sent you to learn and to transplant science in the domain of St. Gregory; I am glad that all your country will learn from me. I myself lived in Armenia for many years as a youth. Ignorance reigned there."" Vardapet Tyukhik loved me as a son and shared all his thoughts with me. The Lord bestowed upon me His blessing: I completely assimilated the science of number, and with such success that my fellow students at the king's court began to envy me. I spent eight years with Tyukhik and studied many books that had not been translated into our language. For the vardapet had an innumerable collection of books: secret and explicit, ecclesiastical and pagan, books on art, history, and medicine, books of chronologies. Why enumerate them by title? In a word, there is no book that Tyukhik did not have. And he had such a gift from the Holy Spirit for translating that when he sat down to translate something from the Greek into Armenian, he did not struggle as other translators did, and the translation read as if the work were written in that language originally. Tyukhik told me how he had achieved such vast erudition and how he had learned the Armenian language. ""When I was young,"" he said, ""I lived in Trebizon, at the court of the military chief Ioannus Patricus, and for a long time, up to the accession of Mauritius to the throne I served as a military man in Armenia and learned your language and literature. During one attack by Persian troops on the Greeks, I was wounded and escaped to Antioch. I lost all my possessions. Praying to the Lord to heal my wounds, I made a promise: ""If You prolong my life, I shall dedicate it not to accumulating perishable treasures but to collecting treasures of knowledge."" And the Lord heard my prayers. After I recovered I went to Jerusalem, and from there to Alexandria and Rome. Upon returning to Constantinople, I met a famous philosopher from Athens and studied with him for many years. After that I returned to my homeland and began to teach and instruct my people."" After some years that philosopher died. Not finding a replacement for him, the king and his courtiers sent for Tyukhik and invited him to assume the teacher's position. Tyukhik, citing the promise he made to God not to move far from the city, turned down the offer. But because of his wide leaning, people came streaming from all countries to study with him. And I, the most insignificant of all Armenians, having learned from him this powerful science, desired by kings, brought it to our country, supported by no one, obligated only to my own industry, God's help, and the prayers of the Blessed Educator. And no one thanked me for my efforts. Problems and Solutions A half and one sixth and one nine-ninth of all the books were printed on verge'; one fifth and one two-hundred-eighty-fifth--on rag paper; one forty-fifth and one eight-hundred-fifty-fifth--on vellum, and forty-five inscribed copies--on Dutch paper. And so, find how many copies were printed in all. --Imitation of Anania of Shirak A Latin proverb says habent sua fata libelli (""books have their own fate""). The fate of Problems and Solutions by Anania of Shirak is quite amazing. The manuscripts of Anania's book were preserved only because, according to Armenian historians, ""in ancient and medieval Armenia manuscripts were guarded from invaders, like weapons, and cherished, like one's own children."" Biding their time, the manuscripts lay in the Matenadaran, a renowned depository of ancient manuscripts (now the Mesrop Mashtots Institute of Ancient Manuscripts). And its hour finally arrived. In 1896 the learned monk Father Kaloust used two manuscripts to publish the problem book, supplementing it with an introduction and commentary. In 1918 the book was translated into Russian, edited, annotated, and typeset by Iosef Orbeli, a prominent scholar (and later a member of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR). In the translator's words, the problems of Anania are ""amusing, full of life, and simple."" Orbeli goes on to say: ""The subjects of the problems are generally taken from everyday life. The scene is predominantly his homeland Shirak and the surrounding countryside, and the dramatis personae, if they are named, are the local princes--the Kamsarakans, including Nersekh, who was a contemporary of Anania."" Like other ancient authors, Anania of Shirak used only ""aliquots"" -- that is, fractions with a numerator of 1. When it is necessary to write fractions with numerators other than 1, one has to represent it as a sum of aliquots (see the epigraph above). Like any true work of art, the problems of Anania suffer terribly in the retelling. You have to read the originals (albeit in translation) in their full glory. So let's open Anania's problem book--a gift from across the ages. Problems 1 and 8 relate to the Armenian uprising against the Persians in A.D. 572. Problem 1 My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the massacre. Problem 8 During the famous Armenian uprising against the Persians, when Zaurak Kamsarakan killed Suren, one of the Armenian azats[4] sent an envoy to the Persian king to report the baleful news. The envoy covered fifty miles in a day. Fifteen days later, when he learned of this, Zaurak Kamsarakan sent riders in pursuit to bring the envoy back. The riders covered eighty miles in a day. And so, find how many days it took them to catch the envoy. Problem 18 mentions vessels made of varying amounts of metal. In the Russian translation, they are all called ""dishes."" But in the original Armenian, according to Orbeli's note, the dishes in the first and second instances are called mesur, and in the third instance scutel. Scutel is a common Armenian word, but mesur had not been encountered in Armenian literature before Anania's Problems and Solutions. Problem 18 There was a tray in my house. I melted it down and made other vessels from the metal. From one third I made a mesur; from one fourth, another mesur; from one fifth, two goblets; from one sixth, two scutels; and from two hundred ten drams, I made a bowl. And now, find the weight of the tray. Several of the problems reflect the richness of the Caucasian fauna in Anania's time -- for instance, problem 7. Problem 7 Once I was in Marmet, the capital of the Kamsarakans. Strolling along the bank of the river Akhuryan, I saw a school of fish and ordered that a net be cast. We caught a half and a quarter of the school, and all the fishes that slipped out of the net ended up in a creel. When I looked in the creel, I found forty-five fishes. And now, find how many fishes here were in all. The temptation is great to present all 24 problems. But I'll restrain myself and offer you just one more. Problem 20 provides some interesting information about the wild animals that inhabited Armenia at one time but now extinct for so long that there is no mention of them even in zoological reference books. The wild donkey, according to the generally accepted view, never roamed the Armenian lands. Yet Anania of Shirak offers evidence to the contrary . Problem 20 The hunting preserve of Nersekh Kamsarakan, ter[5] of Shirak and Asharunik, was at the base of the mountain called Artin. One night great herds of wild donkey entered the preserve. The hunters could not cope with the donkeys and, running to the village of Talin, told Nersekh about them. When he arrived with his brothers and azats and entered the preserve, they began killing the wild beasts. Half of the animals were caught in traps, one fourth were killed by arrows. The young, which constituted one twelfth of all the animals, were caught alive, and three hundred sixty wild donkeys were killed by spears. And so, find how many beasts there were at the start of this massacre. ""Set in type by me, Iosef Orbeli"" His biography could not be squeezed into the framework of a bibliography. -- K Uzbashyan, Academician Iosef Abgarovich Orbeli Anyone who is lucky enough to hold a copy (1/n of the small printing--n is the solution to the epigraph in the previous section) of the Russian translation of Anania of Shirak's Problems and Solutions, a thin book with yellowed pages, has probably noticed the variety of the fonts, the elegance of the borders, and the high quality of the design, printing, and binding. Such great attention to detail is characteristic of works that fulfill a requirement for a degree in bookmaking. And this problem book was indeed a kind of diploma attesting to the professional maturity of the man who created it. An advertisement at the end of the book reads: ""This book was typeset in December 1917 at the printing offices of the Russian Academy of Sciences by me, Iosef Orbeli; the text was also proofread, laid out, and decorated with borders by me. Various circumstances prevented me from carrying this project to the end; the final pages of the book were typeset by M. Strolman."" Typesetting was neither the first nor the only profession of the renowned orientalist Iosef Orbeli, who later became the director of the Hermitage Museum in Leningrad. He was also a cabinetmaker and a locksmith. Orbeli had already become acquainted with the famous academic printing house Typis Academiae, founded in 1728 and known all over the scientific world for its rich collection of fonts and its virtuoso typesetters. In preparing to publish the corpus of ancient inscriptions preserved on the walls of Armenian churches, Orbeli found it necessary to create a new font that would preserve the unique signs and ligatures. This complicated work was done by M. G. Strolman. (Unfortunately the entire set of letters was destroyed during the blockade of Leningrad in World War II.) When Orbeli came to the printing offices of the Academy of Sciences, times were hard. The only way to publish the newly translated Problems of Anania was for Orbeli to learn typesetting (he had always been attracted to the printer's craft). In 1922 Orbeli became the director of printing at the Academy of Sciences. Even after he retired, he remained a tireless champion of Russian academic typography. Back to Earth This book by definition does not exhaust all the most important works in this domain. The editor hopes that those who are guilty of this incompleteness will read these lines and, stung by shame, will work up, if not a collection like this, at least a monograph. --V. Bonch-Bruyevich introduction to the Russian translation of Solid-Body Symmetry by R. Knox and A. Gold Let's imagine a time when space flight is an everyday thing, and high schoolers will spend their breaks as astronauts-in training in the Perelman crater on the far side of the Moon. Maybe one of the space travelers will take this very copy of Quantum, and another, looking over her shoulder, will read this article and say to himself: ""This Anania from Shirak seems like a pretty interesting guy. When I get home I'll try to find his problems."" Good luck, my young friend! Anania is sure to entertain you. Perhaps by then there will be more than n copies of his timeless Problems and Solutions. And we can hope they will be as lovingly printed as the masterpieces created by Iosef Orbeli. [1] Vardapet (or vartabed) means teacher or learned man in Armenian. (The Armenian language suffers in English from a dual transliteration scheme. Thus, Mesrop is often rendered as ""Mesrob"", Komitas as ""Gomidas,"" and so on). [2] Fourth Armenia was one of fifteen provinces into which, according to Armenian Geography in the Seventh Century A.D., so-called Great Armenia was divided. [3] ""Pontus"" (or ""Pontus Euxinus"") was an old name for the Black Sea. [4] ""Azats"" were members one of several strata of freemen in ancient Armenia. [5] ""Ter"" was the title of the heads of sovereign royal families in ancient Armenia. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 9187,15,"From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: Sin Lines: 10 09 Apr 93, Jill Anne Daley writes to All: JAD> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does JAD> a person know when they are committing sin? To answer briefly: sin is falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) Steve --- GoldED 2.40 " 9188,5,"From: cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla) Subject: Pixmaps and colormaps sent through selections... Summary: Selections and Pixmaps/Colormaps Keywords: Selections Nntp-Posting-Host: morrison.wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Lines: 18 I want to be able to send a Pixmap from one client to the next. Along with this I want to send the Colormap and foreground and background pixel values. So far not a problem, I can do this with no problem. However, once I have the Pixmap id and the Colormap id, how do I go about telling the server that the second (receiving) client now wants to have associations with the two id's? TIA, John -- o John L. Cwikla o o o X Programmer o X was never the first o o Wolfram Research, Inc. o letter of the alphabet o o cwikla@wri.com (217) 398-0700 o o " 9189,9,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: MLB = NBA? Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr17.052025.10610@news.yale.edu>, (Sean Garrison) says: > >I think that >players' salaries are getting way out of hand to the point that they're on >a pace to become severely detrimental to baseball's future. > so you want to decrease players' salaries? so you want to increase owners' salaries? the two are equivalent. bob vesterman. " 9190,1,From: mtoivakk@abo.fi (Martti Toivakka PAP) Subject: Compiled version of VOGL-library for PC? Keywords: VOGL Organization: Abo Akademi University Lines: 11 Has anybody compiled VOGL-graphics library for IBM-PC? I need to call it from MS-Fortran but don't have MS-C to compile the sources. Thanks for any help... martti toivakka mtoivakk@abo.fi 9191,8,"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing Nntp-Posting-Host: binky Lines: 7 In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: > I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on > biking in a biking forum, Don't you mean ""former motorcyclist?"" - Roid " 9192,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: > I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any > private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be > at least partially compromised? (a) To use for sensitive but not strategically important traffic, (b) if the system was cheap. For example, I don't own a cordless phone. With Clipper, I would. If the local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about local kids or nosy neighbors. That is to say, Clipper ""raises the bar"" on insecure channels. It doesn't make them secure, by any means, but a wall, even if the FBI can get a master key by court order, is still better than a ""keep off the grass"" sign. > The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware > out there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better > one.) So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost? Personally, Cylink stuff is out of my budget for personal use :)... > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 9193,8,"From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr14.215154.20143@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.144151.11137@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >>(Sorry, I lost the attributions. >>|In most areas, drivers are required to show proof of financial >>|responsibility, which usually means insurance. >> >>Required how? When they get pulled over? Most drivers, bellyaching on the >>net aside, don't get pulled over and checked. The laws are enforceable >>only after the fact, in which case often somebody is out a lot of money. > >Don't you have any requirement for yearly plate stickers in the US???? In >Ontario and Manitoba for sure and the other provinces (i think) you have >to show proof of insurnace when you renew your plate (ie get a new sticker). Yes. Unfortunately, there is also the concept that the owner of a car is not responsible for the actions of any (authorized) user of the car. That's one of the biggest arguments against photo-radar ticketing systems. >You also get to pay all outstanding tickets. They even have cross province >agreements (at least between Ontario and Quebec) so that unpaid tickets in >the other province are on record. No having an up to date sticker is a) bad Trouble with that is, you then have no recourse if a mis-issued ticket or a clerical error on a computer follow you around. The City of Chicago (the informal motto of which being ""The City the Works"") issues dozens of parking tickets each year to people who have never set foot (or tire) in the city. -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" " 9194,4,"From: tpeng@umich.edu (Timothy Richard Peng) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Lines: 7 Reply-To: tpeng@umich.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu Originator: tpeng@livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu if you have a memory card installed that's not one of apple's, this may be the problem. for a couple of months after the release of the duo, some memory manufacturers were shipping duo memory cards w/ improper (non-self-refreshing) chips. if you have a third party card, pull it and see if the sleep problem recurs. - tim " 9195,15,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 34 In article marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: >I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak >only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). >Then I let the ""gifted one"" start ""speaking in toungues"". >The audience should understand the ""gifted one"" clearly >in their native language. However, the ""gifted one"" can >only hear himself speaking in his own language. That would be neat, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that one who has the gift of tounges can do this. If the gift of tounges were the ability to be understood by everyone, no matter what languages they know, there would be no need for the gift of interpretation, and I Corinthians 14 would not have had to have been written. >Perhaps I would believe the ""gifted ones"" more if they were >glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd >witness a real miracle. That's a pretty harsh assumption to make about a several million Christians world wide. Sure, there are some who want glory for themselves who speak in tounges, just as there are among those who do not have this gift. There were people like this in the Corinthian church also. that does not mean that there is no true gift or that all who speak in tounges do it for their own glory in the sight of men. I would venture to say that a large percentage of those who do speak in tounges do so more often in private prayer than in public. Link Hudson [There were apparently those in the early church who claimed that at Pentecost the miracle was that the crowd were all given the ability to understand the Apostles speaking in Greek. --clh] " 9196,10,From: rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Younie) Subject: stats for hockey pool Distribution: world Bcc: emma!rick Reply-To: rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 Lines: 13 I'm the keeper of the stats for a family hockey pool and I'm looking for daily/weekly email servers for playoff stats. I've connected with the servers at J.Militzok@skidmore.EDU and wilson@cs.ucf.edu. I'm still sorting these two out. Are there others? Email please as my site doesn't get this group. Thanks. Rick -- rick@emma.panam.wimsey.bc.ca rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca 9197,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 25 golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >The Ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly. Press conference at 1PM ... >The Rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with >""weight"" and a proven record...and whom they know Messier respects. Interestingly, Keenan's co-coach (or is it his ""Number One""?) on Team Canada at the World Championships is Roger Neilsen. It'd be interesting if the Rangers call in the balance of Neilsen's contract to be Keenan's assistant ... Roger did do a very good job with the mediocre players, just as he handled the Cinderella Canucks of 10 years ago ... but his mistake was playing the Rangers like those Canucks last May ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 9198,0,"From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: rtfm.sps.mot.com Is it just me, or has this part gotten beyond useful? Gregg is not, as I understand his posts, giving any support to the bounty on Rushdie's life. If that's correct, end of one point... Gregg is using the concept of legal in a way most Westerners don't accept. His comments about Islamic Law I think make a great deal of sense to him, and are even making a _little_ sense to me now - if a person is a member of a group (religion or whatever) they bind themselves to follow the ways of the group within the bounds of what the group requires as a minimum. The big bone of contention here that I'm picking up is that in the West we have secular governments that maintain, more or less, a level of control and of requirements outside the requirements of optional groups. I think the majority of us reading this thread are in tune (note - I didn't say ""in agreement"") with the idea that you are finally responsible to the secular government, and within that to the group or groups a person may have chosen. With that in mind, it not possible under secular law (""legally"" as most people would define the term) to hold a person to a particular group once they decide to separate from it. Only if the secular authorities agree that there is a requirement of some sort (contractual, etc) is there any secular _enforcement_ allowed by a group to a group member or past group member. A religion can, and often does, believe in and require additional duties of a group member. And it can enforce the fulfillment of those duties in many ways - ostracism is common for example. But the limit comes when the enforcement would impose unwanted and/or unaccepted onus on a person _in conflict with secular law_. This is the difference. In a theocracy, the requirements of the secular authorities are, by definition, congruent with the religious authorities. Outside a theocracy, this is not _necessarily_ true. Religious requirements _may_ coincide or may not. Similiarly, religious consequences _may_ or may not coincide with secular consequences (if any). Regards, Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637 " 9199,1,"From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen) Subject: Re: Fonts in POV?? Lines: 30 Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 In Article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au> ""g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad)"" says: > > > I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it > RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. > The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with > them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? > > > Thanks, > > Noel > Yes, there are serveral programs which can convert font files (eq the Borland fonts) to objects consisting of spheres, cones etc. I've used a program (forgot its name/place, but i can look for it) which converted these Borland fonts to three different raytracers. Vivid, POV and Polyray (which i like more (more flexibel/faster/use of expressions etc). The program has a lot nice features. So if interested give me a mail. /*---------*\*/*-------------------------------------------*\ *| ____/| *|* PETER.VANDERVEEN@VISSER.EL.WAU.NL |* *| \ o.O| *|* Department of Genetics |* *| =(_)= *|* Agricultural University |* *| U *|* Wageningen, The Netherlands |* \*---------*/*\*-------------------------------------------*/ " 9200,10,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf In-Reply-To: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi's message of 15 Apr 93 14:47:30 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 75 In pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: > > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us? > My Possible-NHL(European league)-site list: > Switzerland : Berne, Zurich (Lugano and 1-2 others) OK, ""this ain't North America"" and so on, but I still doubt that _any_ city having a pop. of 500,000 and below could support an NHL team. Of course, Switzerland probably should be judged as one large city because of small distances between cities but still. > Germany : Dusseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Munich (Mannheim, Rosenheim) Dusseldorf? YES, although the arena is an anachronism (an OPEN wall behind one of the goals - essentially an outdoor arena!). Cologne's arena only seats about 7,000-8,000, Berlin is about 6,000 and no new facility will be built unless their Olympic bid is successful. Munich does have an arena. > Sweden : Stockholm, Gothenburg (Malmo, Gavle) Malmo is big enough, but they also need a new arena...the current one has 5,000 seats I think. > Finland : Helsinki (Turku, Tampere) If we're talking about the NHL, even Helsinki would struggle to make it work. Turku (despite an excellent arena) and Tampere are nowhere near big enough for major league hockey. > Italy : Milan ...Rome and the south are out of the question; this could as well be Africa to hockey fans. Romans were given the chance to host some WC'94 games but showed no interest whatsoever. All teams in the Italian league come from Milan and the smaller cities in the north. > France : Paris (Chamonix, Ruoen?) Paris had their own ""Volans Francais""(sp) pro team a couple of years ago. I believe they even made it to the European Club Championship finals tournament one year, but eventually folded due to lower-than-hoped-for attendances. The remaining cities seem to be too small to support a minor sport like hockey. > Norway : (Oslo) > Austria : (Vienna, Villach) > Chech : (Prag) > Slovakia : (Bratislava) > Russia : (Moscow, St. Petersburg) The easter cities lack the money and infrastructure to support pro hockey. > Great Britain: ? Perhaps . . . Most European teams will have to be like the Tampa Bay Lightning anyway; playing in a small 10,000 seat arena, backed by Japanese money, run by enthusiasts (Phil Esposito), heavy marketing, fans that have difficulty telling what ""icing"" means... London has been mentioned, Sheffield and Birmingham also have large arenas and a new mega-facility (16,000 seats!) might be built in Bristol in a couple of years. > Netherlands : ? No facilities to speak of; their biggest arena (in Eindhoven) seats 2,500 fans for hockey. > > Petteri Kortelainen MARCU$ " 9201,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Drawing colour pixmaps - not rectangular Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 27 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <1993Mar31.022947.149@etrog.se.citri.edu.au>, jck@catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell) writes: |> I am writing a program which needs to draw colour XPM pixmap files onto a background without having the borders show up. I cannot do xor as the colours all stuff up. I cannot use XCopyPlane() as that is for single planes only. I want to be able to specify a colour in the pixmap to be used as the opaque colour. Is this possible. |> |> Games such as xjewel have the same problem. How does the mouse pointer do it? |> |> Any help would be helpful? :-) |> You wanna do masking. Build a bitmap (pixmap of depth one) where all pixels you name ""opaque"" are 1 (that get copied) and the others are 0. Use this bitmap as the clip_mask in the gc used for XCopyArea(), and remember to adjust the clip_origin coordinates to the XCopyArea() blit origin. The Mouse pointer (besides from that it is driven using RAMDAC analog mapping on most hardwares) uses a mask, too. But be warned: blitting through a mask and especially moving around this mask is annoying slow on most xservers... it flickers even at 40 MIPS... -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 9202,5,"From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) Subject: Help building X11R5 with gcc Keywords: X11R5, gcc Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 16 Can people please send me any hints on building X11R5 with gcc 2.3.3 ? Is there any pitfalls to be avoided ? Any hints ? I would appreciate hearing other peoples' stories on this. --tim -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Tim Liddelow for(;;) fork(); Systems Programmer Centre of Advanced Technology in Telecommunications My brain on a bad day. CITRI, Melbourne, Australia internet : tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au Phone : +61 3 282 2455 Fax : +61 3 282 2444 ________________________________________________________________________________ " 9203,7,"From: turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: AT&T Lines: 19 From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): > This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. > Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to > throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five > cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly > a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck > in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she > made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and > doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. > > What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I > can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but > 20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? > > Erik velapold Yes !!!! ! " 9204,17,"From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 36 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). > > > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's > > ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, > > show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > > > > > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > > > not appreciated. > > > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were > > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go > > back to the minors, junior. > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are > so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could > write. ----- When you're willing to actually support something you say with fact or argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned offense, let me know. Otherwise, back to your own league, son. " 9205,2,From: pmw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PHILLIP MICHAEL WILLIAMS) Subject: X Windows for windows Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 7 Are there any X window servers that can run under MS-Windows?? I only know of Deskview but have not seen it in action. Are there any others?? Thanks in advance. Phil pmw0@Lehigh.edu 9206,5,"From: VANDAMME@NMR.RUG.AC.BE Subject: XmScale & XtAddEventHandler Organization: The Internet Lines: 29 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Dear Xperts, I'm developing an application that uses a Motif slider to select an image file out of a directory. Now I would like to display the name of the file corresponding to the value of the dragged scale button (i.e. with the MB1 pressed). As XmNshowValue only displays the current value of the scale button and not the actual corresponding image file name, I thought of using an XtAddEventHandler to do the mapping between the scale value and the file name: XtAddEventHandler(scaleImage,Button1MotionMask, FALSE, SliderMoved, NULL); and in the eventhandler do a: while (XCheckTypedWindowEvent (display, event->window, MotionNotify, &Return)) ; XmScaleGetValue(scaleImage,&value); /*map value to file entry in directory and finally obtain file name to open*/ However, when I move the pointer in the scale widget I get callbacks, with of co urse a null effect as my MB1 is not pressed to move the scale button. So what is goin g wrong? Or is the a wrong approach to this problem? Any hints are highly appreciated. --- Phil " 9207,8,"From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: >So the question I have is ""HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING""? sorta. >The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for >a first time rider. '88 Honda Hawk YMMV. -- Paul Thompson Apple Computer " 9208,12,"From: gray@feline.uucp (Kelly Gray) Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311 Organization: Humber College Technology Dept. Lines: 29 According to my TI databook, the pinouts for the TIL311 display are as follows: Pin 1 - LED supply voltage Pin 2 - Latch data input B Pin 3 - Latch data input A Pin 4 - Left decimal point cathode Pin 5 - Latch strobe input Pin 6 - Omitted Pin 7 - Common ground Pin 8 - Blanking input Pin 9 - Omitted Pin 10 - Right decimal point cathode Pin 11 - Omitted Pin 12 - Latch data input D Pin 13 - Latch data input C Pin 14 - Logic supply voltage, Vcc The logic supply voltage is 5V @ 60-90mA. The LED supply is also 5V, but it need not be particularly well regulated. The LED drivers on the chip use a constant current source, so LED intensity is not affected by the supply voltage. -- Kelly Gray gray@feline.uucp (preferred) gray@admin.humberc.on.ca " 9209,13,From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Open letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton (#7) Article-I.D.: pitt.19425 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 3 How about posting one of her replies to your letters? -km 9210,10,"From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr15.214902.3372@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: |> In article , Robert Angelo Pleshar writes: |> > |> > NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu |> > In-Reply-To: |> > |> > from Anna Matyas: |> >>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it |> >>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... |> >>> |> >>>Gerald |> >> |> >>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they |> >>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of |> >>misconducts? |> >> |> >>And this comes from a Chelios fan... |> > |> > Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 |> > minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the |> > best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I |> > could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) |> > |> > Ralph |> |> >HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? |> |> I.Mario Lemieux |> A.Death |> 1.Too much Kimo |> 2.Slash to skull |> 3.Ask the Rangers (Slashing his wrist????) |> II.Jaromir Jagr |> A.Deportation |> 1.Send him back to whatever Commie country |> he's from |> 2.Tell him that Bill Clinton is going too |> III.Kevin Stevens |> A.Fighting |> 1.Call Bob Probert |> 2.Call Tie Domi |> 3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass) |> Since everybody wants to see Pittsburgh players not playing, the Stanley cup would be devaluated. -- _____________________________________________________ Iskander AYARI Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr _____________________________________________________ " 9211,18,"From: cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Riyadh Al-hajmoosa) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: > Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study > (discrediting Kinsey) says so. > -- > The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis > my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu > believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis > as this would hold such views??? | My understanding from my psycology classes is that the percentage is more like 10-12% world wide. I would really like to know your source for the 1-2% figure. Riyadh Moosa. SDSU-Chemistry. cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu " 9212,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? Call a friend long distance, collect. Ask to speak with yourself. When the operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave your number. She'll read it out in the clear. --scott " 9213,17,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: Legality of the Jewish Purchase (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 In article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Adam Shostack writes: >> Sam Zbib writes > >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by > >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive > >>state, as a hostile action leading to war. > >> It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an >> exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have >> 400 000 arab citizens. > >Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of >Israel right after it was formed. > > >> And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile >> action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing >> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It >> is not a hostile action leading to war. > >No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. >Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about >anti-trust in the business world. > >Since we are debating the legality of a commercial >transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines >and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says >that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of >investing, you can not acquire a large number of those >shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so >only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, >the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some >designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. > >The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the >old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / >multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours >was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair >market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of >an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist >myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). > Right now, I'm just going to address this point. When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land, It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because, for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin), living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting them by selling the land right out from under them. They are to blame, not the Jews. > >> Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu > >-- >Sam Zbib Bell-Northern Research >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bitnet/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca VOICE: (613) 763-5889 > FAX: (613) 763-2626 >Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > My opinions are my own and no one else's Amir " 9214,12,"From: ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) Subject: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 50 Here's one I hope some knowledgeable readers will make a comment or contribution to: In the State of Virginia radar detectors are illegal, period. If you are caught with one it will be confiscated on the spot and will not be returned until after you appear in court and pay your fine. The fine for having a radar detector accessible in a motor vehicle (even if it is not on) is $250.00. Sorry, tourist, ignorance of the law is no excuse - they will get you too! It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for an officer to actually see the radar detector. Not any more! Many law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors. Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF from the radar detector itself. My first reaction was ""no way!"" But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police are writing citations right and left for people using radar detectors. One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one, and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was there. This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest. Now, before I get flamed, please understand that I do drive at or near the speed limit. I do not need a radar detector to keep me from getting a speeding ticket. But, I do like to know when my speed is being clocked or a speed trap is functioning. My radar detector now stays locked in my trunk when I am in Virginia (which is what they want - and yes, what the law says, and I intend to obey the law!) and is only used in states where it is legal. For my fellow hams, I am not a microwave person - my mind only works in the HF spectrum between 10 and 80 meters. Microwave enlightment may be necessary. So, the questions are - What do the radar detector detectors actually detect? Would additional shielding/grounding/bypassing shield stray RF generated by a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector antenna? Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? ============================================================================== Randy T. Agee - ARS WB4BZX | At some point, you probably pondered The P.O. Box 2120 - 20th floor | Meaning of Life, and you came up with a Virginia Department of Education | satisfactory answer, which has or has not Richmond, VA 23216-2120 | stood the test of time, or you shrugged Phone (804) 225-2669 | mightily, muttered ""Beats the heck out of ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | me,"" and ordered a cheeseburger. ============================================================================= " 9215,6,"From: fml2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Francis M Lee) Subject: *** Dayna EtherPrint 10BASE-T (New & Cheap) *** Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: fml2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Francis M Lee) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Posting for a friend. Contact directly or leave e-mail and I can forward. Brand spanking new. Still in original package. Never opened. Dayna EtherPrint-T. RJ-45 connector to support 10BASE-T-compliant networks. Connect LocalTalk-compatible printers directly to Ethernet networks. Will work with _ANY_ LocalTalk-compatible network printer, such as LaserWriter ImageWriter IBM 4216 Personal Page Printer II Hewlett-Packard DeskWriter Hewlett-Packard LaserJet printer family QUME printers Can daisy-chain a maximum of 4 LocalTalk devices, such as workstations modems printers to a single EtherPrint device. Support AppleTalk Phase 1 and Phase 2 protocols. $300 + shipping. Cheap ... $329 new without 10BASE-T in MAC World. Contact Kam Poon at 718-332-2993 after 6 PM EST. " 9216,3,"From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: FLOPPY DRIVE PROBLEM--HELP!!! Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! I have a problem with my floppy drives. In an effort to make my 3.5"" drive (normally b:) my a: drive, I switched the order of connections on the cable from the serial card/floppy/ide controller. I booted up, changed the CMOS settings to reflect the a: drive as the 3.5 and the b: drive as the 5.25. The drive lights didn't come on, and there was a failure trying to read from those drives. I switched the cables back to their original positions, and then booted-up and restored the original CMOS settings. The lights for the floppies came on during this process, and they stay on for as long as the computer is on. I see that when there is a disk in a:, the drive is spinning, yet there seems to be no disk access. MSD.EXE and Norton SI detect both drives, but when I try to get detailed information about a: or b:, Norton SI tells me that there is no disk in the drive. Can anyone offer any suggestions? I'm in desperate need of help!!! Thank you for your time. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu " 9217,1,From: hl7204@eehp22 (H L) Subject: Re: Graphics Library Package Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 2 9218,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 29 In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: >Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders >because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but >500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you >picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing >sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? Sure. The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think your question should be, ""...losing sleep over a million expert riflemen?"" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area, where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is ""is it worth the trouble?"" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely the answer would be ""no."" Certainly a million riflemen (as opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes invasions more difficult. >Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this >world. Really? In 1939? I'm not even sure you could prove that today (despite the steriotype.) Certainly the Swiss bankers were not essential to the German war-time economy. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 9219,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri., Apr. 16th, 1993 Keywords: mlb, 04.16 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 23 In article <1qmj6h$m5h@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes: >Houston Astros 1 Seattle Mariners 1 >Montreal Expos 2 Toronto Blue Jays 3 >New York Mets 3 Oakland Athletics 2 >Colorado Rockies 5 Detroit Tigers 3 >Pittsburgh Pirates 5 Kansas City Royals 5 >San Diego Padres 4 (13) New York Yankees 4 >St. Louis Cardinals 4 Cleveland Indians 3 >Los Angeles Dodgers 2 Boston Red Sox 4 (13) >Atlanta Braves 1 California Angels PPD >San Francisco Giants 6 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN This leads me to believe that it's not really a rabbitball year, and that we've just had a rash of high-scoring games. I bet this one day's worth of games pulled everything back to close to average. Interesting, because the other day, all but three games had ten or more runs scored, and yesterday no game had more than nine. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 9220,11,"From: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) Subject: Re: Tempest Nntp-Posting-Host: ely.cl.cam.ac.uk Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK Distribution: na Lines: 19 res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: > Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent > to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? We've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can lock in on one and average the others out. The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to another, Ross " 9221,5,"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: X-server multi screen Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 42 In article <1qlop6$sgp@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at>, rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes: > I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same > thing. Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: > -) multi-screen > -) multi-headed > -) multi-display > -) X-Server zaphod mode As applied to servers, the first three are fuzzy terms. ""multi-headed"" tends to be used for any system with multiple monitors, sometimes even multiple screens even if they're multiplexed onto the same monitor (eg, a Sun with a cg4 display). ""multi-screen"" and ""multi-display"" would, if taken strictly, mean different things, but since the strict meaning of ""multi-display"" would refer to a system with multiple keyboards and pointers, when it's used it probably refers to the same thing ""multi-screen"" would: a system that provides multiple Screens. ""zaphod"" is a term applied to the way the MIT server switches the pointer from one screen to another by sliding it off the side of the screen. > Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle > (in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? There is a protocol limitation that restricts a given Display to at most 255 Screens. I know of no server that handles multiple Displays on a single invocation, unless possibly my kludges to the R4 server can be looked upon as such; on a TCP-based system there is necessarily a limit of 65535 Displays per machine, but this is not a limitation inherent to X. What you read was most likely talking about a limit in some particular implementation (probably the MIT one). If it claimed there was a limit of 12 inherent to X, the author of the article had no business writing about X. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu " 9222,0,"From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) Subject: Re: Rawlins debunks creationism Organization: I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you can't prove a thing. Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) wrote: > > We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot > explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from > the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth > than science. This is a false premise. Says who? Other than a hear-say god. > By the way, I enjoy science. You sure don't understand it. > It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Macroevolution is > a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed > within three percent error :) ] Bill, I hereby award you the Golden Shovel Award for the biggist pile of bullshit I've seen in a whils. I'm afraid there's not a bit of religion in macroevolution, and you've made a rather grand statement that Science can not explain origins; to a large extent, it already has! > // Bill Rawlins // Peter W. Walker ""Yu, shall I tell you what knowledge is? When Dept. of Space Physics you know a thing, say that you know it. When and Astronomy you do not know a thing, admit you do not know Rice University it. This is knowledge."" Houston, TX - K'ung-fu Tzu " 9223,14,"Subject: Space FAQ 03/15 - Data Sources From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:55:35 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 463 Archive-name: space/data Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:07 $ ONLINE AND OTHER SOURCES OF IMAGES, DATA, ETC. INTRODUCTION A wide variety of images, data, catalogs, information releases, and other material dealing with space and astronomy may be found on the net. A few sites offer direct dialup access or remote login access, while the remainder support some form of file transfer. Many sites are listed as providing 'anonymous FTP'. This refers to the File Transfer Protocol on the Internet. Sites not connected to the Internet cannot use FTP directly, but there are a few automated FTP servers which operates via email. Send mail containing only the word HELP to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com or bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu, and the servers will send you instructions on how to make requests. The sources with the broadest selection of material are the NASA Ames SPACE archive and the National Space Science Data Center. Don't even ask for images to be posted to the net. The data volume is huge and nobody wants to spend the time on it. VIEWING IMAGES The possible combinations of image formats and machines is forebodingly large, and I won't attempt to cover common formats (GIF, etc.) here. To read PDS and VICAR (and many other) formats on Unix systems running X, use XV 2.11, available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in contrib/xv-2.11.tar.Z and the other standard X11 FTP sites. The FAQ for the Usenet group alt.binaries.pictures discusses image formats and how to get image viewing software. A copy of this document is available by anonymous FTP from the Usenet FAQ archives at pit-manager.mit.edu (18.72.1.58), in directory pub/usenet/alt.binaries.pictures. ONLINE ARCHIVES NASA AMES Extensive archives are maintained at NASA Ames and are available via anonymous FTP or an email server. These archives include many images and a wide variety of documents including this FAQ list, NASA press releases, shuttle launch advisories, and mission status reports. Please note that these are NOT maintained on an official basis. FTP users should connect to ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) and look in pub/SPACE. pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the archive (the index is about 200K by itself). To access the archives by email, send a letter to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like: send SPACE Index send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91. The capitalization of the subdirectory names is important. All are in caps. Only text files are handled by the email server at present; use one of the FTP email servers described in the introduction to this section for images or programs. The Magellan Venus and Voyager Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus CD-ROM image disks have been put online in the CDROM and CDROM2 directories. The disks will be rotated on a weekly basis. Thousands of images are available in these collections. The GIF directory contains images in GIF format. The VICAR directory contains Magellan images in VICAR format (these are also available in the GIF directory). A PC program capable of displaying these files is found in the IMDISP directory (see the item ""VIEWING IMAGES"" below). The NASA media guide describes the various NASA centers and how to contact their public affairs officers; this may be useful when pursuing specific information. It's in MISC/media.guide. Any problems with the archive server should be reported to Peter Yee (yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov). NASA ASTROPHYSICS DATA SYSTEM The ADS is a distributed data retrieval system which is easy to use and provides uniform access to ground-based and space-based astronomy data from NASA data centers across the country. It currently has over 140 data catalogs of radio, infrared, optical, UV, and X-ray data which can be queried by position or any other parameter in the catalog. The ADS also provides tools to manipulate and plot tabular results. In addition, ADS has a Beta version of an Abstracts Service which allows users to query over 125,000 abstracts of astronomy papers since 1975 by authors, keywords, title words, or abstract text words. ADS use requires direct Internet access. For more info and to sign up to become a user, email ads@cuads.coloradu.edu. The User's Guide and ""QuickStart"" Guide are available by anonymous FTP to sao-ftp.harvard.edu in directory pub/ads/ADS_User_Guide (PostScript files). Contact Carolyn Stern Grant (stern@cfa.harvard.edu). NASA JET PROPULSION LAB (MISSION INFORMATION AND IMAGES) pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) is an anonymous FTP site operated by the JPL Public Information Office, containing news releases, status reports, fact sheets, images, and other data on JPL missions. It may also be reached by modem at (818)-354-1333 (no parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit). Contact newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov or phone (818)-354-7170. NASA LANGLEY (TECHNICAL REPORTS) techreports.larc.nasa.gov is an anonymous FTP site offering technical reports. To get started, cd to directory pub/techreports/larc/92 and retrieve files README and abstracts.92. Most files are compressed PostScript. The reports are also in a WAIS database with the following description: (:source :version 3 :ip-name ""techreports.larc.nasa.gov"" :tcp-port 210 :database-name ""nasa-larc-abs"" :cost 0.00 :cost-unit :free :maintainer ""M.L.Nelson@LaRC.NASA.GOV"" :description ""NASA Langley Research Center Technical Reports Contact tr-admin@techreports.larc.nasa.gov. NASA SPACELINK SpaceLink is an online service located at Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. The system is specifically designed for teachers. The data base is arranged to provide easy access to current and historical information on NASA aeronautics, space research, and technology transfer information. Also included are suggested classroom activities that incorporate information on NASA projects to teach a number of scientific principles. Unlike bulletin board systems, NASA Spacelink does not provide for interaction between callers. However it does allow teachers and other callers to leave questions and comments for NASA which may be answered by regular mail. Messages are answered electronically, even to acknowledge requests which will be fulfilled by mail. Messages are generally handled the next working day except during missions when turnaround times increase. The mail system is closed-loop between the user and NASA. SpaceLink also offers downloadable shareware and public domain programs useful for science educators as well as space graphics and GIF images from NASA's planetary probes and the Hubble Telescope. You can dial in at (205)-895-0028 (300/1200/2400/9600(V.32) baud, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit), or telnet to spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov (128.158.13.250, also known as xsl.msfc.nasa.gov) if you're on the Internet. Anonymous FTP capability (password guest) is now available. Most of this information is also available from the Ames server in directory SPACELINK. NATIONAL SPACE SCIENCE DATA CENTER (NSSDC) The National Space Science Data Center is the official clearinghouse for NASA data. The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online. Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.36.23) and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). You can also get the catalog by sending email to 'request@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov'. You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits, no parity, one stop). At the ""Enter Number:"" prompt, enter MD and carriage return. When the system responds ""Call Complete,"" enter a few more carriage returns to get the ""Username:"" and log in as 'NODIS' (no password). The system is menu-driven; topics available as of 3/93 are: 1 - Master Directory - NASA & Global Change 2 - Personnel Information Management System 3 - Nimbus-7 GRID TOMS Data 4 - Interplanetary Medium Data (OMNI) 5 - Request data and/or information from NSSDC 6 - Geophysical Models 7 - CANOPUS Newsletter 8 - International Ultraviolet Explorer Data Request 9 - CZCS Browse and Order Utility 10 - Astronomical Data Center (ADC) 11 - STEP Bulletin Board Service 12 - Standards and Technology Information System 13 - Planetary Science & Magellan Project Information 14 - Other Online Data Services at NSSDC 15 - CD-ROMS Available at NSSDC For users with Internet access, datasets are made available via anonymous FTP once you select the desired datasets from the online catalog. For other users, data may be ordered on CD-ROM and in other formats. Among the many types of data available are Voyager, Magellan, and other planetary images, Earth observation data, and star catalogs. Viewers for Macintosh and IBM systems are also available. As an example of the cost, an 8 CD set of Voyager images is $75. Data may ordered online, by email, or by physical mail. The postal address is: National Space Science Data Center Request Coordination Office Goddard Space Flight Center Code 633 Greenbelt, MD 20771 Telephone: (301) 286-6695 Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE stsci.edu (130.167.1.2) has a large amount of information about the Hubble Space Telescope available by anonymous FTP, such as status reports and newsletters, in addition to material oriented towards HST observers and proposers. Get the top level README file to begin with. Contact Pete Reppert (reppert@stsci.edu) or Chris O'Dea (odea@stsci.edu). STARCAT The Space Telescope European Coordination Facility, at ESO/Garching provides on-line access to a huge astronomical database, featuring - Observation log files of several satellites/telescopes (IUE,IRAS,HST,NTT...). - Spectra and images (IUE, HST). - Most of the astronomical catalogues (SAO, HR, NGC, PPM, IRAS, Veron, GSC and many others, more than 50) in a very convenient way (give center+radius+kind of objects, and you get the corresponding files!). Log on as ``starcat'' (no password) on node stesis.hq.eso.org (134.171.8.100) or on STESIS (DECnet). The files created can be retreived by FTP. Contact: Benoit Pirenne, bpirenne@eso.org (phone +49 89 320 06 433) at ST-ECF ASTRONOMICAL DATABASES The full SAO stellar database is *NOT* available online, probably due to the 40 MB size. It may be ordered on magnetic tape from the NSSDC. A subset containing position and magnitude only is available by FTP (see ""Astronomy Programs"" below). nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) has a large collection of astronomical programs for many types of computers, databases of stars and deep sky objects, and general astronomy information in directory /pub/astro. This site is mainly for European users, but overseas connections are possible. The Ames archives contain a database of 8,436 galaxies including name, RA, declination, magnitude, and radial velocity in MISC/galaxy.dat. Supplied by Wayne Hayes (wayne@csri.utoronto.ca). iris1.ucis.dal.ca (129.173.18.107) has a number of GIFs from Voyager, Hubble, and other sources available by anonymous FTP in pub/gif (most of this data is also in SPACE/GIF on the Ames server). Please restrict access to 5pm - 8am Atlantic time. pomona.claremont.edu has the Yale Bright Star catalog for anonymous FTP in directory [.YALE_BSC]. Contact James Dishaw (jdishaw@hmcvax.claremont.edu). The Hubble Guide Star catalog is available on CD-ROM for the Mac and PC for $49.95 US (catalog # ST101). Astronomical Society of the Pacific 390 Ashton Ave. San Francisco, CA 94112 Phone: (415) 337-2624 9 AM - 3 PM Pacific Time FAX: (415) 337-5205 For German (and possibly other European) readers, Jost Jahn has a service to distribute astronomical data to interested amateurs at cost. About 30-40 catalogs are available for DM 6..8/disk. Several floppy disk formats are available. Because of the expense of receiving email on his system, he asks that you contact him by physical mail: Jost Jahn Neustaedter Strasse 11 W-3123 Bodenteich GERMANY Phone: FRG-5824-3197 ASTRONOMY PROGRAMS Various astronomy-related programs and databases posted to the net in the past are archived for anonymous FTP at multiple sites, including ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9). Also see the ASTRO-FTP list posted to sci.astro monthly, which is more complete than this list. Astonomical/Space-related sources of interest in comp.sources.unix: Volume 8: phoon moon phase and date routines Volume 12,13: starchart starchart program & Yale Star data Volume 15: moontool shows moon phase picture on Suns Volume 16: sao reduced SAO catalog Astonomical/Space-related sources of interest in comp.sources.misc: Volume 8: moon another moon phase program Volume 11: starchart starchart program, version 3.2 Volume 11: n3emo-orbit orbit: track earth satellites Volume 12: starchart2 starchart program, update to version 3.2.1 Volume 13: jupmoons plotter for Jupiter's major moons [in perl] Volume 13: lunisolar lunisolar (not sure what this does) Volume 14: ephem-4.21 astronomical ephemeris, v4.21 Volume 14: n3emo-orbit patch to orbit 3.7 Volume 18: planet planet generation simulator Elwood Downey (e_downey@tasha.cca.cr.rockwell.com), the author of ""ephem"", has offered to mail copies to people who can't find it on one of the archives. XSAT, an X Window System based satellite tracking program, is available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in contrib/xsat1.0.tar.Z. Contact Dave Curry (davy@ecn.purdue.edu) for more information. Xsky, a computerized sky atlas for the X Window System, is available for anonymous FTP on arizona.edu in the directory [.SOFTWARE.UNIX.XSKY] as xsky.tarz. Contact Terry R. Friedrichsen (terry@venus.sunquest.com) for more information. The ""Variable Stars Analysis Software Archive"" is available via anonymous FTP from kauri.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.11.3) in directory pub/astrophys. This is intended for specialists in this field, and they would appreciate people from outside New Zealand confining their FTP access to the astrophys directory, as they pay a significant amount for Internet access. Contents are relatively sparse at present due to the youth of the archive - contributions are encouraged. Contact the archive administrator, Timothy Banks (bankst@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) for more information. The ""IDL Astronomy Users Library"" is available by anonymous FTP from idlastro.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.57.82). This is a central repository for general purpose astronomy procedures written in IDL, a commercial image processing, plotting, and programming language. Contact Wayne Landsman (landsman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov) for more information. ORBITAL ELEMENT SETS The most recent orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513)-427-0674. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. Orbital element sets are available via anonymous FTP from the following sites: archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) NASA,TVRO,Shuttle directory: /pub/space ftp.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) NASA,TVRO,Molczan,CelBBS, directory: /pub/astro/pc/satel Shuttle (*) kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.165) NASA,Molczan directory: /pub/space/ SPACE DIGEST ARCHIVES Copies of back issues of Space Digest are archived on LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET. Send mail containing the message ""INDEX SPACE"" to get an index of files; send it the message ""GET filename filetype"" to get a particular file. LANDSAT AND NASA PHOTOS You can get black-and-white 1:1M prints, negatives, or positives for $10, $18, $12 respectively for any Landsat data more than 2 years old from EDC, (Eros (Earth Resources Orbiting Satellite) Data Center). Call them at (605)-594-6511. You get 80 meter resolution from the MSS scanner, 135x180 kilometers on a picture 135x180 mm in size. I think you have to select one band from (green, red, near IR, second near IR), but I'm not sure. Digitial data is also available at higher prices. Transparencies of all NASA photos available to the public can be borrowed from the NASA photo archive; you can have copies or prints made. NASA Audio-Visual Facility 918 North Rengstorff Ave Mountain View, CA 94043 (415)-604-6270 PLANETARY MAPS The USGS address for maps of the planets is: U.S. Geological Survey, Distribution Branch, Box 25286, Federal Center, Bldg. 41 Denver, CO 80225 Maps cost $2.40 to $3.10 per sheet (a few come in sets of 2 or 3 sheets). The best global maps of Mars based on Viking images are 1:15,000,000 scale in 3 sheets. These maps are: I-1535 (2 sheets only) - relief, albedo, names I-1535 I-1618 (3 sheets) - relief, names I-2030 (3 sheets) - relief, topographic contours I-1802-A,B,C (3 sheets) - geology There are many other maps as well: 30 sheets at 1:5,000,000 scale in relief, albedo, geology, photomosaic forms (not all 30 sheets available in all formats); 140 sheets at 1:2,000,000 scale as photomosaics of the whole planet, about 100 sheets of interesting sites at 1:500,000 scale in photomosaic format, and lots of special sheets. Then there are maps of Mercury, Venus, the Moon, the four Galilean Satellites, six moons of Saturn and five of Uranus. [Phil Stooke (stooke@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca), the author of this item, has offered to respond to email requests for information on any topic relating to lunar and planetary maps.] COMETARY ORBIT DATA The Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams and the Minor Planet Center announce the sixth edition of the Catalogue of Cometary Orbits in IAU Circular 4935. The catalogue contains 1292 entries which represent all known comets through November 1989 and is 96 pages long. Non-subscribers to the Circulars may purchase the catalogue for $15.00 while the cost to subscribers is $7.50. The basic catalogue in ASCII along with a program to extract specific orbits and calculate ephemerides is available on MS-DOS 5.25-inch 2S2D diskette at a cost of $75.00 (the program requires an 8087 math coprocessor). The catalogue alone is also available by e-mail for $37.50 or on magnetic tape for $300.00. Except for the printed version of the catalogue, the various magnetic media or e-mail forms of the catalogue do not specifically meantion non-subscribers. It is possible that these forms of the catalogue may not be available to non-subscribers or that their prices may be more expensive than those given. Mail requests for specific information and orders to: Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory Cambridge, MA 02138, USA NEXT: FAQ #4/15 - Performing calculations and interpreting data formats " 9224,1,"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Looking for a good book for beginners Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 10 I wanted to know if any of you out there can recommend a good book about graphics, still and animated, and in VGA/SVGA. Thanks in advance -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu " 9225,7,"From: lxrosser@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Rosser) Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? Article-I.D.: gap.1pl86tINNfv7 Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: blacker.caltech.edu wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes: >In article <1993Mar31.193406.29625@ugle.unit.no> oep@colargol.edb.tih.no >(oep) writes: >> which turns into a teenagers car when it gets old. The average >lifelength of >> a Volvo in Norway is 18 years, and in Sweden 20 years) >Of course someone pointed out when Saab or Volvo was running their >At least 10 years ads, that the average milage was significantly >less than than the US average. That my be, but every Volvo I've ever owned has lasted far longer than most other cars..... 1981 Volvo 245....125,000 Miles, still on the road. 1983 Volvo 242....195,000 Miles, still on the road. 1984 Volvo 244....175,000 Miles, still on the road. And I'll admit, the dealer repair cost is high. But with some mechanical aptitude of your own, and finding a good indi mechanic, you can avoid most breakdowns, and make the rest cheap(The sum total of the repairs on the car with 195,000 miles has been 2 mufflers and a radiator. Whoa. Bad repair record). And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has a 120 MPH speedo... What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what? " 9226,6,"From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason) Subject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc... Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept. Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu I am auctioning off the following comics. These minimum bids are set below what I would normally sell them for. Make an offer, and I will accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed. TITLE Minimum/Current -------------------------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00 Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00 Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50 Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50 Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00 Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00 Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50 H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00 Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962) $ 7.50 Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.20 Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00 Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00 Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50 Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $30.00 New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00 New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00 New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00 Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50 Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50 Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $25.00 84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $20.00 Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50 Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50 Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00 Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50 Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00 Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00 Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50 Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00 Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00 Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00 All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space. -- Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu " 9227,13,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: ringing ears Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 50 In article <10893@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes: > > >A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. The ringing is so loud >that she has great difficulty sleeping at night. She says that she hasn't >had a normal night's sleep in about 6 months (she looks like it too :-(). >This is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti-depressants. Sometimes I have a problem with doctor's prescribing medicine like this. I of course don't know the exact situation, and anti-depressants may work, but it isn't helping the ringing at all, is it? >The ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago. She is quickly losing >sleep, social life and sanity over this. Mine started about three years back. Turns out I have tinnitus bilateral (translation: ringing in both ears, basically ;). If this is what it is, she'll probably get used to it. It would keep me up and drive me nuts too, but nowadays, I have to plug both my ears with my fingers to check to see if they are ringing. Usually they are, but you get so used to it, it just gets tuned out. Yes, this is what I've read about it... not just from my own personal experience. >Does anyone know of any treatments for this? Any experience? Coping >mechanisms? Any opinions on the anti-depressant drugs? Millions have it, according to my physician. You just learn to cope with it (like I mentioned earlier) by ignoring it. It eventually becomes unconscious. The doc also said it could be caused by diet (ie: too much caffeine) and stress, but I haven't changed my lifestyle much, and it just comes and goes (it is always there somewhat, but now I rarely notice it when it really ""kicks in""). Also, it doesn't necessarily mean there is any hearing loss, either caused by it or causing it. I had an ENT (ear/nose/throat) exam, and passed. In fact, my hearing is quite good considering I don't take as good of care of my hearing as I should. Her reaction is normal. If it is tinnitus, chances are good she'll begin to not even notice it. This info is taken mostly from a few ""experts"", my own experience, and some readings (sorry, it was a few years back and don't have any specifics handy). JT " 9228,0," zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!juliet.caltech.edu!lmh Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Distribution: world,local Organization: California Institute of Technology NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 18 In article <1APR199313404295@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu<, lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes... - Homer Simpson " 9230,2,From: rdc@pelican.cit.cornell.edu (Bob Cowles) Subject: Re: cica mirror? Organization: Cornell Info. Tech. Lines: 2 Try wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/win3 directory. 9231,2,"From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 19 10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) writes: >HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO >ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG >ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. >HARDWARE: >AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD >AMI BIOS 91 >CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE >TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA >PLEASE HELP!!! >ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!! I have the same problem. Someone suggested it might be a BIOS bug. Gonna check with my supplier tomorrow. I'll tell you if it helps. Wouter. " 9232,10,"Organization: University of Maine System From: The Always Fanatical: Patrick Ellis Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: <1993Apr16.235100.18268@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Lines: 18 un, you better add at least another plus to the Pederson for Neely trade, the Bruins also received a number 1 round draft pick, didn't play great this year but Wesley's still a decent defenseman.... And the Bruins got Pederson back eventually anyway..... Pat Ellis P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1...... HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS..... HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>...... PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER....... NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE! " 9233,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 53 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr15.142322.1318@atlastele.com>, brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: > You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make > sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. > > Say U.S.C. 922 : > > (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for > any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. > > Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" > might also be an artificial entity that is created by government ^^^^^ > and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I > don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on > an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell > me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > does not make it LAW. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sorry, but I really can't figure out what you're trying to say, above. > Everyone knows that laws are constitional > until it goes to court. Not exactly: ""An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed."" Norton vs. Shelby County, 118 US 425 p.442 ""The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it."" ""No on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it."" 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256 > So, has it ever gone to court, not > just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" > Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told > by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? Automatic weapons? No. The Supreme Court has never heard such a case. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 9234,11,"From: srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate) Subject: Re: More technical details Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr19.162936.7517@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) (actually Dorothy Denning) writes: >The seeds S1 and S2 do not change. Let me see if I have this straight --- if a person knows S1 and S2, and the serial number of the unit, it's easy to reconstruct UK. Of course, if they know SK, the ""family key"", they can easily get the serial number of any unit that has made a transmission. So with S1 and S2 being used for a while ""batch"" of the unit keys, the number of used S1/S2 pairs will probably be fairly low. Of course, you have to believe that the NSA/FBI/name-your-favorite-government agency will know SK so all it needs is the S1/S2 pairs, and presto, nasty details like court orders for wire taps are no longer necessary. Now, I'm not one of the people who distrusts the government at every turn, but taking someone's word for it that the S1/S2 pairs are not kept around is pushing what I'm willing to believe just a little bit too far. -- Steve Tate srt@cs.duke.edu | The reason why mathematics enjoys special esteem, Dept. of Computer Science | above all other sciences, is that its laws are Duke University | absolutely certain and indisputable, while those of all Durham, NC 27706 | other sciences are to some extent debatable. (Einstein) " 9235,3,"From: jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Jude M. Greer) Subject: Gateway 2000 and ATI LB problem. Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.spd.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 25 I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB. When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen there is about a 3/4"" bar of black. The screen isn't cut off, it just squeezes everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just shouldn't happen anyway. I've called Gateway numerous times and they haven't been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and both times the new card didn't work at all in my computer. They even tried to bill me for the first card because they didn't get it back in a couple of days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story... So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what to do. Hell, let me know if you don't have a solution, just so I know I'm not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance. Jude M. Greer jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu P.S. I already tried going into the MACH 32 install program and manually set- ting up the card. Doesn't work. Whenever I try to increase the vertical size of the 800x600 screen, it just starts to cut off the top and bottom. " 9236,15,"From: sfp@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Sheila Patterson) Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs Organization: Cornell University CIT Lines: 14 Jesus isn't God ? When Jesus returns some people may miss Him ? What version of the Bible do you read Mike ? Jesus is God incarnate (in flesh) . Jesus said, 'I and the Father are one.' Jesus was taken up to heaven after His 40 day post-resurrection stint and the angels who were there assured the apostles that Jesus would return the same way and that everyone will see the coming. That's why Jesus warned that many would come claiming to be Him but that we would know when Jesus actually returns. These are two very large parts of my faith and you definitely hit a nerve :-) -Sheila Patterson, CIT CR-Technical Support Cornell University Ithaca, NY " 9237,13,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 9 Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology. Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that... -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 9238,12,"From: heke@stekt.oulu.fi (Heikki Paananen) Subject: Re: How do DI boxes work? In-Reply-To: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU's message of 15 Apr 93 15:02:28 Lines: 38 Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland In article lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes: > I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct > Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a > line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run > to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going > to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to > another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have > any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's ""Electronic > Projects for Musicians"" book (which I am having a hell of a time > tracking down...)? An Easy way to solve the problem is to use two op-amps to form the balanced low-Z output, but this solution does not provide any galvanic isolation between keyboard (or whatever plugged) and mixer. If no tight requiremets are demanded and some hum, snap, crackle and pop sounds (formed by ground loops) can be tolerated, the op-amp solution is just what you are looking for! (It is cheap...somewhat $10/DI-box). Not sure, but Craig Anderton did introduce one DI-box project in Guitar Player mag years ago (transformerless)..... > Thanks a lot! Hope this helps. Email, if more details wanted.... > - lancer@wpi.wpi.edu - - 0{{ MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: - > - Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Heikki Paananen heke@stekt.oulu.fi The University of Oulu Department of electrical engineering -Just a student Finland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Home is where the heart lies, but if the heart lies where is home? -Fish " 9239,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > Oh, I see your point. I think you're wrong. But if you sit back and > wait to find out if I'm right, it'll be too late. Just listen *very* > carefully for the first 'such and such will not be permitted on network > XYZ' shoe to drop. I've been a very intent NREN spectator of the NREN for years. As a commercial IP software vendor, it really is my professional opinion that the NREN, at this point, is irrelevant to private sector networking. If it had been deployed five years ago, it would have been a major development. Now, however, it's just an upgrade to the NSFnet, and an attempt to revive the lagging use of the national supercomputer centers. You could cut out the NSFnet completely, and the Internet would continue chugging along without a hiccup (aside from a few universities). Long-haul networking and Internet connectivity have long since ceased to be under federal sponsorship or regulation, at least in the USA. The success of the CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange) is a prime example of this. While our dear VP has been promoting his ""data superhighway,"" the private sector has been building it, without the NSFnet's restrictions. To illustrate, a connection from the machine on my desk to the machine your article was posted from (pizzabox.demon.co.uk) involves *only* commercial IP providers until it hits Amsterdam. No NSFnet. No NREN. No ""appropriate use"" restrictions. It's even 1.544mbps (T1) until it hits the EUnet gateway... QED. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 9240,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Distribution: na Lines: 28 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: > > handgun homicides/population > ---------------------------- > Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 > UK : 8 / 55,670,000 > >.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice. Please, PAY ATTENTION. I, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST HANDGUN HOMICIDES. In terms of how likely are you to be killed, (regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a higher homicide rate. Period. You are more likely to be killed in the UK than in Switzerland. If you were to be murdered with a handgun, then yes, Switzerland has a higher rate. But, to belabor the point, you are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the weapon is irrelevant. The UK is more violent, period. Al [standard disclaimer] > " 9241,16,"From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Sun Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: >> >>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day >>> in Texas. >> >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. Brent, the Feds turned off the BD's electricity a couple of weeks ago... Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the radio, TV, or newspapers, though. -- ------------------------------------------------------- | Some things are too important not to give away | | to everybody else and have none left for yourself. | |------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----| " 9242,8,"From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) Return-Path: Subject: Paint jobs in the UK Nntp-Posting-Host: baldrick Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England Lines: 11 Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. Thanks Lisa Rowlands -- Alex Technologies Ltd CP House 97-107 Uxbridge Road Tel: +44 (0)81 566 2307 Ealing Fax: +44 (0)81 566 2308 LONDON email: lisa@alex.com W5 5LT " 9243,0,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Lines: 76 Chris Faehl writes: > >Many atheists do not mock the concept of a god, they are shocked that > >so many theists have fallen to such a low level that they actually > >believe in a god. You accuse all atheists of being part of a conspiracy, > >again without evidence. > >> Rule *2: Condescending to the population at large (i.e., theists) will >not >> win many people to your faith anytime soon. It only ruins your credibility. >Fallacy #1: Atheism is a faith. Lo! I hear the FAQ beckoning once again... >[wonderful Rule #3 deleted - you're correct, you didn't say anything >about >a conspiracy] Correction: _hard_ atheism is a faith. >> Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the >> extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered people >> unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed millions of >> his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! How can >> anyone be worse than that? >I will not explain this to you again: Stalin did nothing in the name of >atheism. Whethe he was or was not an atheist is irrelevant. Get a grip, man. The Stalin example was brought up not as an indictment of atheism, but merely as another example of how people will kill others under any name that's fit for the occasion. >> Rule #6: If you rely on evidence, state it. We're waiting. >As opposed to relying on a bunch of black ink on some crumbling old paper... >Atheism has to prove nothing to you or anyone else. It is the burden of >dogmatic religious bullshit to provide their 'evidence'. Which 'we' >might you be referring to, and how long are you going to wait? So hard atheism has nothing to prove? Then how does it justify that God does not exist? I know, there's the FAQ, etc. But guess what -- if those justifications were so compelling why aren't people flocking to _hard_ atheism? They're not, and they won't. I for one will discourage people from hard atheism by pointing out those very sources as reliable statements on hard atheism. Second, what makes you think I'm defending any given religion? I'm merely recognizing hard atheism for what it is, a faith. And yes, by ""we"" I am referring to every reader of the post. Where is the evidence that the poster stated that he relied upon? > >> Oh yes, though I'm not a theist, I can say safely that *by definition* many >> theists are not arrogant, since they boast about something _outside_ >> themselves, namely, a god or gods. So in principle it's hard to see how >> theists are necessarily arrogant. >Because they say, ""Such-and-such is absolutely unalterably True, because ^^^^ >my dogma says it is True."" I am not prepared to issue blanket statements >indicting all theists of arrogance as you are wont to do with atheists. Bzzt! By virtue of your innocent little pronoun, ""they"", you've just issued a blanket statement. At least I will apologize by qualifying my original statement with ""hard atheist"" in place of atheist. Would you call John the Baptist arrogant, who boasted of one greater than he? That's what many Christians do today. How is that _in itself_ arrogant? > >> I'm not worthy! >Only seriously misinformed. With your sophisticated put-down of ""they"", the theists, _your_ serious misinformation shines through. -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) " 9244,11,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 21 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes: > Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there > that they're angling for NREN next, Where? I honestly didn't see any... > and the only conceivable meaning of > applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they > intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. I disagree, if for no other reason than that there are already other standards in place. Besides, even if they restrict encryption on the NREN, who cares? Most of the Internet is commercial anyway. The NREN is only for geovernment and university research (read the proposals--it's a ""data superhighway"" for Cray users, not anything having to do with the Internet). Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation " 9245,12,"From: fmg@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: FAQ - corrections Summary: PCB correction, FTP site, etc Organization: Medical Informatics, Pittsburgh, PA USA Lines: 29 Greetings. I received a reply stating that unless someone else confirms that the following company is operating, I should remove it from my lst: >PCB Prototypes of Sandy, UT >Ronald Baker >8195 South 2660 East >Sandy, UT 84093 >Tel: [read below] This is from the COMM_PCB.FAQ (commercial PCB makers). Also, I don't have time to get the FAQ onto the sci.answers because of what I like to refer to is ""red tape"" - after the finals, I'll see what I can do... in the mean-time, anyone know of an FTP site that wouldn't mind a 250K file? :-) And last, I have some new entries for the SIMUSOFT list (mostly commercial/institutional stuff) but was wondering: should I keep the restrictions on the price of the software to be considered -> under $600 or should I include all those in 4 digit prices also? Take care. -- / Filip ""I'll buy a vowel"" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail ""fmgst+@pitt.edu"" \ | All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! | | I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. | \ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-) / " 9246,13,"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 123 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu Summary: More in response to Lee Lady. Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP -*---- I think that part of the problem is that I have proposed a definition of science that I intended to be interpreted broadly and that Lee Lady has interpreted fairly narrowly. My definition is this: Science is the investigation of the empirical that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous work. Lee Lady writes: > I don't think that science should be defined in a way that some > of the activities that lead to really important science --- namely > thinking and informal exploration --- are not recognized as > scientific work. Unless one classifies ""thinking and informal exploration"" as a mistake, they fall under my definition. I hope no one would consider speculation, thinking, and informal exploration as unscientific. In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: > Seriously, I'm not sure whether I misjudged you or not, in one respect. > I still have a major problem, though, with your insistence that science > is mainly about avoiding mistakes. ... Here is where I think we are talking at cross-purposes. It is not clear to me that the kind of definition I have proposed should be taken as describing what ""science is mainly about."" Consider, for example, a definition of invertebrates as all animals lacking a backbone. This fairly tells what is an invertebrate and what is not an invertebrate, but it hardly tells you what invertebrates are all about. One can read this definition and still not know that 95% of all animal species are invertebrates, that invertebrates possess a remarkably broad range of form, that some invertebrate groups -- such as insects and nematodes -- are ubiquitous in all ecosystems, etc. In short, knowing the definition of invertebrates does *not* tell one what they are ""mainly about."" The misunderstanding here is my fault. I did not give sufficient context for people to understand my proposed definition. > Okay, so let's see if we agree on this: FIRST of all, there are degrees > of certainty. It might be appropriate, for instance, to demand carefully > controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth (to the > extent that there is any such thing) the effectiveness of a certain > treatment. On the other hand, highly favorable clinical experience, even > if uncontrolled, can be adequate to justify a *preliminary* judgement that > a treatment is useful. ... > > SECONDLY, it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of > evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal. I agree on both counts. As an example of the second, it would only take a few cases of curing rabies to convince most veterinarians that a treatment was effective, despite a lack of controls. As to the first, I do not think it is useful to talk about ""absolute scientific truth."" I think it is more useful to talk about the kinds of evidence that various claims have and the kinds of evidence IN PARTICULAR FIELDS that in the past have proven faulty or reliable. The latter is obviously a matter of degree, and in each field, practitioners try to discover the relevance of different kinds of evidence. One of the primary mistakes that marks the advocacy of an idea as psuedo-science is that the advocacy lacks any sense of proportion regarding the kinds of evidence related to the proposed claim, the kinds of evidence that are actually relevant to it, and the historical reasons in the field that certain kinds of evidence are given more weight than others. It is perfectly alright to speculate. I have read quite a few refereed papers that speculated left and right. But the authors were careful to identify the notions as speculative, to list what little evidence was presently available for them, and to describe how research could proceed to either put the notion on more firm footing or to uncover its problems. Often what distinguishes whether a paper of this sort passes muster is the thoughtfulness with which the author sets the context and paves the way for future work. (It is in this area that many proponents of speculative ideas fail.) > The folks over in sci.psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to > make this simple test. They claim that only an elaborate outcome study > will be satisfactory --- a study of the sort that NLP practitioners, > many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice, can ill > afford to do. (Most of them are also just plain not interested, because > the whole idea seems frivolous. And since they're not part of the > scientific establishment, they have no tangible rewards to gain > from scientific acceptance.) I think a lot of scientists steer away from things that -- deserving or not -- garner a patina of kookiness. When proponents of some practice see no value in more careful investigation of that practice, that sets alarms ringing in many researchers' minds. This is unfortunate, because there is undoubtedly some intersection between things that are worth investigating and things that are advocated by those who seem careless or unreasonable in their advocacy. On the other hand, I can understand why many scientists would just as soon select other directions for research. As Gordon Banks has pointed out, no one wants to become this generation's Rhine. > One academic in sci.psychology said that it would be completely > unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn't > been described in a scientific journal. ... I think this is absurd. > Actually, at least one fairly careful academic study has been done > (with favorable results), but it's apparently not acceptable because > it's a doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal. I wonder why the results were not published. In my field, dissertation results are typically summarized in papers that are submitted to journals. Often the papers are accepted for publication before the dissertation is finished. (This certainly eases one's defense.) Finally, I hope Lee Lady will forgive me from commenting either on NLP or the discussion of it in sci.psychology. I know little about either and so have nothing to offer. Russell " 9247,15,"From: cox@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Sherman Cox) Subject: Re: SDA Doctrinal Distinctives Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 21 healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: >In article jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: >|There is a book provided by the SDA which is entitled ""The Seventh Day >|Adventist Church believes"", or something like that. >The book is called ""27 basic fundamental beliefs"" or something very close to >that. the number *IS* 27, not 30. I have a copy at home (i'm away at >school.) Actually the book is called ""Seventh Day Adventists believe..."" And there are 27 basica beliefs. I believe it is printed by the Reveiew and Herald Publishing Association. -- ""Competition is the law of the jungle. Cooperation is the law of civilization."" -- Eldridge Cleaver Sherman Cox, II scox@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu " 9248,16,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 28 >>Ron Miller wrote: >>When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback >>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >>""no, it's total amnesty"". > (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted) > I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is >no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing. > > > Myron Petro > NRA, USPSA > DVC y'all > ************************************************************************** > The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility. > And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the > Second Amendment. If amnesty was their concern, they should pay in cash rather than moneyorder and they should check to see if the gun turned in was stolen or not. This way if a gun turns out to be stolen, then even if they wanted to prosecute, they don't know who to prosecute. Since the only concern of these(HCI and the like) people seems to be the total eradication of guns( legal or illegal ), why should they bother to check for stolen property. If they knew who the rightful owner is, then they would have to return the gun and hence contrary to their intent to ban all guns. " 9249,14,"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) Subject: Double sonic booms. Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: luma.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 16 Every time you read about a shuttle landing they mention the double sonic booms. Having taken various relevant classes, I have several ideas of where they come from, but none of them are very convincing. Exactly what causes them? Are they a one time pheneomenon, or a constant one like the supersonic shockwave that is constantly produced by a plane, but you hear only when it goes over you? --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | | Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | | | stupidity, and I'm not sure | | | about the former. - Einstein | | carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| | space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9250,16,"From: bbs.billand@tsoft.net (Bill Anderson) Subject: Handgun Restrictions Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 7 I would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns (ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and Oregon. Thanks. -Bill -- Bill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net) " 9251,14,"From: willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 19 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. > However, quite possibly it's > no longer on display; NASM, like most museums, has much more stuff than it > can display at once, and does rotate the displays occasionally. The NASM photo archives are open to the public. All (or almost all) still pictures in the collection are available for viewing, but I don't know about films. At least it might be worth a try. I'm not sure if appointments are necessary, but I think not. Good luck, and let us know what you find. -- Steve Willner Phone 617-495-7123 Bitnet: willner@cfa Cambridge, MA 02138 USA Internet: willner@cfa.harvard.edu member, League for Programming Freedom; contact lpf@uunet.uu.net " 9252,3,"From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o) Subject: Re: How much memory for WP for Windows? Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu In article <1ps6pjINNdua@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jka@air77.larc.nasa.gov writes: ) The documentation says that Wordperfect for windows, requires 4 M of ram, but )when I try to install it on my laptop I get a not enough memory error message. )I've unloaded everything that I possibly could but still, NOT ENOUGH MEMORY. )Anyone have any ideas as to why this might be happening. Are you sure you're not running Windows in real mode ? Is it Windows 3.1 ? Do you have a permanent swapfile built ? " 9253,6,"From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen) Subject: NEC Multisync Plus for MAC & PC $250 Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC Lines: 8 NEC Multisync Plus, model # JC-1501VMA, 15"", 960x720, $250 + shipping. Price is frim. Do not send me an emai if your offer is less than my asking. Thank you. Yuesea " 9254,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 41 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal |> |> |> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. |> ---------------------------------------------------------- by |> Elias Davidsson This could be accomplished by other criteria. One must remember that children often bring stress into households. As an alternative, one could consider financial incentives for every sexual act performed by two partners of different ethnic backgrounds. The plan could be entitled ""PEACE INCOME SEXUAL SECURITY"", or PISS for short. Every time an Israeli gets screwed by a Palestinian or visa versa, they would be eligible for income. In keeping with the spirit of the times, condoms would be a tax deductible expense. This policy does not discriminate on a gender basis nor would it apply to domestic animals of either nationality. Joint Palestinan-Israeli teams would be obligated to ensure that all acts were voluntary and promptly rewarded. The teams of Palestinian-Israel Morals Patrols, or PIMPS, would receive a percentage of the financial income in order to encourage their participation and add to their incentive in locating suitable candidates. |> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as |> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't that be insemination? |> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 9255,13,"From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) Subject: food-related seizures? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA Lines: 45 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov I am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in network newsland who has heard of something similar to what I am going to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted Flakes. She is perfectly healthy, had never experienced anything like this before, and there is no history of seizures in either side of the family. All the tests (EEG, MRI, EKG) came out negative so the decision was made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again. Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am embarrassed to admit that I even bought that junk but every once in a while...) So I pour it in her bowl and think ""Oh, oh, this is the same kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure."" Ten minutes later she had a full blown seizures. This was her first exposure to a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure. When I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea. Now after this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even he is scratching his head. Once again her EEG looks normal which I understand can happen even when a person has a seizure. Once again we are waiting. I have been thinking that it would be good to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any experience with this kind of thing. I know that members of the medical community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and foods play in our general health and well-being. Anyway, as you can guess, I am worried sick about this, and would appreciate any ideas anyone out there has. Sorry to be so wordy but I wanted to really get across what is going on here. Thanks. -- Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov NASA Langley Research Center Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241 Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362 " 9256,3,"From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Turbomodem+ (Complete Pc) question Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 43 I'm trying to transfer some software between two machines and I'm having real trouble. My own Intel 14.4k ( v32/v32bis/v42/v42bis) works fine--I just talk to it at 56k and everything comes out clear. This other modem, at the other machine, is a ""Turbomodem+"" from ""The Complete PC"" (the machines are in seperate houses, so a direct serial link is impossible, and copying this much data to disk is a pain--easier to turn the machines on for a few hours and go see a movie--no, this is not pirated software). I am having no end of trouble trying to set it up. It will dial and connect just fine--at 9600 baud. But if I try to set the comm at 19k2, 38.4k or 56kbps, the stupid thing connects, but just gives garbage (it connects 14.4k). His machine (a dx48633) has a 16550AFN UART, so that's not the problem. It seems to me that the stupid thing wants to talk to a comm program _at_ 14.400bps, even though it will take dialing instructions at 56k (and respond OK, etc. to other commands). I don't have a comm program that can do precisely 14.4k. I looked at the manual but it was unclear. All I know is, I didn't have this trouble with the Intel--it came ready to connect this way. Do I need to initialize it any way in particular? Also, it's _using_ V.42bis and V.42 (and MNP5) when connecting here (i.e., at 9600, since our tests at 14k4 are zip so far) but it doesn't _say_ so there. any ideas? (BTW: I tried the initialization string that I use for my modem, but it just gives ERROR on that one) -- MOSCOW: A grandfather who taught literature in an orphanage has gone on trial in Rostov-on-the-Don after confessing to more than 50 gruesome sexual murders whose victims included children as young as eight. -- Events in modern history, from the Sunday Mail, 19-Apr-92 " 9257,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Hell Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 22 Quoth the Moderator: >I have to say that I some qualms about giving you this explanation, >because it raises additional problems: If God is the source of all >existence, then a complete separation from him would make existence >itself impossible. So, does God maintain just enough connection with >those who are rejected to keep them in existence so he can punish >them? In a short poem (""God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell""), C. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I'm sure was current among others, but I haven't be able to find its source: that even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount of separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can achieve. -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 9258,11,"From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk (""Paul L. Allen"") Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Reply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk Organization: Chaos Lines: 70 X-Newsreader: Archimedes ReadNews -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In message <9304190956.AA10390@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> you write: > : The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to > : listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but > : cellphone to base-station [...] > That was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about > building end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip. It's *not* for > cellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest) I'd lost the White House's deathless prose when I posted (that's what happens when you read news at home when you're rat-arsed), but I did have a bunch of follow-ups going on about cellular/cordless comms. The original article has reappeared, so: The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. Hmm, telephone communications could indeed include end-to-end encryption on ordinary landlines. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. But the next paragraph says telecoms networks and wireless communications links. OK, it's far from clear exactly what Cripple (what an apposite anagram) will be applied to, but the reason Joe Public wants secure comms is to stop people listening in to his cellular or cordless phones (and he wouldn't even be bothered about that were it not for Wingnut and Squidqy's misfortunes). Yes, Cripple *might* be for end-to-end encyption, dropping to clear when the other end doesn't have Cripple. But then a cordless-to-ordinary conversation would be in clear leaving the cordless end just as vulnerable as at present. Nope, I suspect that Cripple will only be used on radio links. OK, it's possible `telecommunications networks' could mean `ordinary phone lines', but I'm betting it means the microwave links used by the telcos. My apologies if I'm wrong, particularly if the turgid Press Release makes it clear that I'm wrong and I missed it, but as far as I can see it was full of obfuscation, and anyone expecting end-to-end encryption is in for a surprise (IMHO). BTW, Graham, I've posted questions to alt.security.pgp and not seen any replies/followups from outside Europe - how about you? Have I made it into everyone's kill file, or is there some problem? - --Paul -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK9SPBmv14aSAK9PNAQGJBwP/ZoKyrm0gemlyYsNj8bqoH8l8qLJoMRBo eOCClpKsTavebtdCLIGqHNzoWC6Ar2K1blIbpUa2tWnqwRGVa15OgOc7XXKJJ093 yb7P/vWvQbXYiA6zDJ5zkQsDeP7X6ckIDVDRz5CdIS+oNXtiOtHk3s3B3wjQBjCU vks8KOV8gfg= =gVy0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- " 9259,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 19 In article pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes: >EVER HEAR OF >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what >is... > No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the priest really wears under that chasible. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 9260,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 58 In article , Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) writes: > > Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both > the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't > need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to > make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a > man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was > buried begs the question. Here again, the problem with most of the individuals posting here, you take the biblical account as though it were some sort of historical recounting in the modern sense. I would refer you to John Dominic Crossans Book _The Cross That Spoke_ (Pub. Harper and Row, 1988). The earliest texts which we have make no reference to an empty tomb. Nor is an empty tomb necessary for a claim of resurrection. Modern Evangelicals/Fundamentalists have completely missed what the point of resurrection is -- Here the work of George Nickelsburg's work _Resurrection, Immortality, and Eternal Life in Intertestamental Judaism_ (Publ Cambridge, Havard Univ. Press, 1972) is most helpful. Look At Rom 1:1-3. Paul here has no need of an empty tomb. Additionally in 1 Cor 15, Here again there is no mention of an empty tomb. He was raised (note the passive), he appeared, no ascension either. Resurrection could be accomplished without ever disturbing the bones in the grave. The whole idea of an empty tomb isn't broached in any of our texts until well after the fall of Jerusalem. By that time, the idea of coming up with a body would have been ludicrious. Moreover Mack has argued (convicingly, I think) that the empty tomb story first appears in Mark (we have no texts before this which mention the tomb). > > Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on > this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a > deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm > not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth, > but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about > dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to > be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the > body seems rather lightweight to me. > > As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over > the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is > an argument that can be discounted. > > That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!? > > > [Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario, > and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable > about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the > empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling. > --clh] You are quite right here. Even the Idea of a subjective mystical event as the foundation of the resurrection narratives is currently becoming more untenable. See B. Mack _A Myth of Innocence_. randy " 9261,10,"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Leafs versus Wings Lines: 46 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada How long can the Leafs play short-handed and still be expected to score? They did some fine penely-killing in the first (2 men down for a couple of minutes at one point) but they just couldn't keep it up. They spent virtually the entire game either short-handed or just coming off a penelty -- as soon as they'd get re-grouped, they're penalized again! Sheesh -- like Gilmour said after the 1st -- you can't go calling every little push an shove in a game like that. And if you're going to, you have to do it for both teams. Pearson (one of my four favorite Leafs) played like a bonehead -- I saw him personally screw up at least 2 good scoring opportunities, and then he got that *bonehead* 5-minute major high-sticking penalty. Cullen has gotten stronger since his return from injury a hand-full of games ago and he played a good game. If the other players on his line can smarten up, that line should do okay. Clark's got to get tough -- he's got to intimidate and go for the net. Send Clark up the left wing over the blue line a couple times... his patented wrist shot will put some numbers on the board... and Pearson... heck, maybe he should be benched. I hate to repeat Grapes, but where the heck was Foligno? Zezel can't do all the checking himself -- and get MacLlwain on the move... we need some speed out there! Keep Potvin in net, he did okay considering... although (like I said a couple weeks ago) Potvin messed up in a couple games in the AHL playoffs last year -- he can easily do it again. My prediction last week was Toronto in 7 -- that the games DET wins will be blow-outs and the game TOR wins will be close -- I still stand by that. Don't fret, Leafs fans, in order to win in 7, the other team has to win 3! :-) Burns is going to make some magic -- he'll mix up some lines. Match the Wings line-per-line. He'll have his team checking hard, and he'll never let them get out-numbered in their own end. The Leafs will win Wednesday night... and will take 1 or their home games (probably the first one). Stephen LEAF Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca " 9262,13,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Gee, maybe I've misjudged you. Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 141 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >-*---- >I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in >this thread. Gee! Maybe I've misjudged you, Russell. Anyone who agrees with something I say can't be all bad. ;-) Seriously, I'm not sure whether I misjudged you or not, in one respect. I still have a major problem, though, with your insistence that science is mainly about avoiding mistakes. And I still disagree with your contention that nobody who doesn't use methods deemed ""scientific"" can possibly know what's true and what's not. > [Deleted material which I agree with.] > >Back to Lee Lady: > >> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and >> sci.psychology. According to these posters ""If it's not supported by >> carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."" > >These posters are making the mistake that I have previously >criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A ""carefully ... > .... >Rules such as ""support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and >controlled study"" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation. >I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be >convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have >occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To >reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from >uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical >problems are notoriously problematic.) Okay, so let's see if we agree on this: FIRST of all, there are degrees of certainty. It might be appropriate, for instance, to demand carefully controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth (to the extent that there is any such thing) the effectiveness of a certain treatment. On the other hand, highly favorable clinical experience, even if uncontrolled, can be adequate to justify a *preliminary* judgement that a treatment is useful. This is often the best evidence we can hope for from investigators who do not have institutional or corporate support. In this case, it makes sense to tentatively treat claims as credible but to reserve final judgement until establishment scientists who are qualified and have the necessary resources can do more careful testing. SECONDLY, it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal. I come to this dispute about what science is not only as a mathematician but as a veteran of many arguments in sci.psychology (and occasionally in sci.med) about NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming). Much of the work done to date by NLPers can be better categorized as informal exploration than as careful scientific research. For years now I have been trying to get scientific and clinical psychologists to just take a look at it, to read a few of the books and watch some of the videotapes (courtesy of your local university library). Not for the purpose of making a definitive judgement, but simply to look at the NLP methodology (especially the approach to eliciting information from subjects) and look for ideas and hypotheses which might be of scientific interest. And most especially to be aware of the *questions* NLP suggests which might be worthy of scientific investigation. Over and over again the response I get in sci.pychology is ""If this hasn't been thoroughly validated by the accepted form of empirical research then it can't be of any interest to us."" To me, the ultimate reducio ad absurdum of the extreme ""There've got to be controlled studies"" position is an NLP technique called the Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure. Simple phobias (as opposed to agoraphobia) may not be the world's most important psychological disorder, but the nice thing about them is that it doesn't take a sophisticated instrument to diagnose them or tell when someone is cured of one. The NLP phobia cure is a simple visualization which requires less than 15 minutes. (NLPers claim that it can also be used to neutralize a traumatic memory, and hence is useful in treating Post-traumatic Stress Syndrome.) It is essentially a variation on the classic desensitization process used by behavioral therapists. A subject only needs to be taken through the technique once (or, in the case of PTSD, once for each traumatic incident). The process doesn't need to be repeated and the subject doesn't need to practice it over again at home. Now to me, it seems pretty easy to test the effectiveness of this cure. (Especially if, as NLPers claim, the success rate is extremely high.) Take someone with a fear of heights (as I used to have). Take them up to a balcony on the 20th floor and observe their response. Spend 15 minutes to have them do the simple visualization. Send them back up to the balcony and see if things have changed. Check back with them in a few weeks to see if the cure seems to be lasting. (More long term follow-up is certainly desirable, but from a scientific point of view even a cure that lasts several weeks has significance. In any case, there are many known cases where the cure has lasted years. To the best of my knowledge, there is no known case where the cure has been reversed after holding for a few weeks.) (My own cure, incidentally, was done with a slightly different NLP technique, before I learned of the Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure. Ten years later now, I enjoy living on the 17th floor of my building and having a large balcony.) The folks over in sci.psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to make this simple test. They claim that only an elaborate outcome study will be satisfactory --- a study of the sort that NLP practitioners, many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice, can ill afford to do. (Most of them are also just plain not interested, because the whole idea seems frivolous. And since they're not part of the scientific establishment, they have no tangible rewards to gain from scientific acceptance.) The Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure is over ten years old now and the clinical psychology establishment is still saying ""We don't have any way of knowing that it's effective."" These academics themselves have the resources to do a study as elaborate as anyone could want, of course, but they say ""Why should I prove your theory?"" and ""The burden of proof is on the one making the claim."" One academic in sci.psychology said that it would be completely unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn't been described in a scientific journal. (It's described in a number of books and I've posted articles in sci.psychology describing it in as much detail as I'm capable of.) Actually, at least one fairly careful academic study has been done (with favorable results), but it's apparently not acceptable because it's a doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal. To me, this sort of attitude does not advance science but hinders it. This is the kind of thing I have in mind when I talk about ""doctrinnaire"" attitudes about science. Now maybe I have been unfair in imputing such attitudes to you, Russell. If so, I apologize. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet " 9263,5,"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) Subject: Macro Recorder/Player for X? Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Lines: 18 Is there aything available for X similar to QuicKeys for the Macintosh -- something that will allow me to store and playback sequences of keystrokes, menu selections, and mouse actions - directing them towards another application? If so, could someone send me information on its availability -- and if not, how hard do we think it might be to send input to other X applications and, hopefully, deal with their responses appropriately? (If an application is going to take a few seconds to process I probably have to wait for it to complete before sending another command.) thanks, david, " 9264,3,"From: i3y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Adam Nicolas Cheal) Subject: Jumper Settings for MicroScience HD Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bowen.rick.cs.ubc.ca OK, I'll try one more time with this one. If ANYONE out there has ANY information on MicroScience hard drives and how to set the jumpers (and where they are?) for master/slave configurations. I will gladly accept any info, as I have a 110M'er sitting in my room collecting dust just waiting for me to install huge applications. :) Thanks in advance. (And yes, I regulary check the IDE Harddisk Spec that is posted here.) -= Adam Cheal =- i3y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca " 9265,5,"From: dsk@ravl.rice.edu (Dan S. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Installation problem with X11R5 Organization: Rice University Lines: 32 I am in the process of installing X11R5 on my Sun Sparcstation 2 and have run into a problem. I imagine it has something to do with a missing screen driver, or something along those lines, but figured someone out there in Internet land might be able to help. I am installing it on a machine that already has OpenLook installed, and would like to have both installed concurrently. Thus, I set it up to compile to my /usr/X11R5 directory. I worked out all the kinks in getting it compiled (with gcc), so that it compiles without any warnings. I need it installed for PEX-SI, so I set all those appropriate flags. When I run it, however, I get a message along the lines of: Getting interface configuration : Operation not supported on socket sunOpenFrameBuffer : Inappropriate ioctl for device Fatal server error : no screens found Any ideas on how I can fix it? Please respond by e-mail at the below address. Thanks in advance. -Dan -- ""I do not want to be immortalized through my works; I want to be immortalized through not dying."" -Woody Allen Dan Kirkpatrick | Dept of Electrical & Computer Engineering ~dsk@rice.edu | Rice University uunet!rice.edu!dsk@uunet.uu.net | Houston, TX " 9266,5,"From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) Subject: Re: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 29 dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes: | | I have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with | XCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit | display....When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for | some input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to | XmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL. The result is that if my cursor is | over the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the | applicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the | default colormap. But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_ | window of my application, I get my colormap. I *think* this is correct behavior. Remember the default colormapFocusPolicy is keyboard (meaning the cmap focus follows the keyboard focus). Since the dialog is modal, mwm won't allow keyboard focus onto your main shell, and so it won't allow cmap focus either. Since it sounds as though you have keyboardFocusPolicy:pointer, I suggest you set colormapFocusPolicy:pointer also. That way, the cmap focus won't slavishly follow keyboard focus, but will beat its own path. (if you have keyboardFocusPolicy: explicit, you can set cmap focus explicit also, but you then need a binding to f.focus_color, probably on MB1). -- David Brooks dbrooks@osf.org Open Software Foundation uunet!osf.org!dbrooks Showres soote my foote " 9267,16,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: What if the Dividians were black? Article-I.D.: NCoast.C528ww.L5M Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 35 As quoted from <1993Apr5.172734.8744@icd.ab.com> by kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead): > oleary@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (brian.m.leary) writes: > > > Questions for the media and the politically correct: > > > > Try asking people who don't understand why anyone would worry about > > the tactics used against the ""child molesting, drug dealing, gun running, > > cop killing religious wackos in Waco"" (1) these questions: > > > > If the people in the compound were black and the guys in ninja suits > > charging in with assault weapons and grenades were LAPD > > what would you think? > > > The charges are essentially the same they used against Operation MOVE > in Philadelphia a few years back, where the cops dropped an incendiary > bomb on the roof of a tenement and burned down a whole block. > > MOVE was a black group. There were some significant differences. Whereas the Branch Davidians are reported to have gotten along rather well with their neighbors, the MOVE people are generally conceded to have gone far out of the way to antagonize their BLACK neighbors, using loudspeakers to all hours of the night, keeping large piles of garbage, promoting rat and insect infestation, and allegedly threatening to kidnap their neighbors' children. Still the same sort of questions regarding use of force remain in that case. -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva " 9268,6,"From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson) Subject: UPDATE: Hard Drive, VGA, etc. Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 36 [ Article crossposted from misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone ] [ Author was Mark Wilson ] [ Posted on Fri, 16 Apr 1993 13:18:42 GMT ] UPDATE (""for sale"" items): (All plus shipping) 1. CORE 72Mb Hard drive, model AT72, works fine, 5 1/4"" full-height, reduced to $90 2. MFM controller for the above, would like to sell with above, have $15 asking price, but will sell with #1 above for $100 combined. 3. AT-style case $10 (in process of selling) 4. VGA card, 512K, now asking $25 5. 386 Max, version 6.0, now asking $25 Please email mark@ocsmd.ocs.com or use phone #s below. - Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9269,16,"From: graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle In article <1qicep$obf@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: >> In article <1qhpcn$b12@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >As far as ""John Q. Public with a gun,"" the Supreme Court has already >> >ruled in cases such as US v. Miller (307 U.S. 175 (1939)), and US v. >> >Verdugo-Urquidez (110 S. Ct. 1839 (1990)) that that is EXACTLY what >> >the amendment protects. This interpretation can be found as far back >> >as the Dred Scott case, in 1857. >> >> It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction >> of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun >> was not a proper militia weapon. > >No, they noted that no one had CLAIMED that it was a proper militia >weapon (despite having been used in at least two wars). This was true, >since neither Miller nor his lawyer appeared before the Court. Did they or did they not sustain Miller's conviction? I don't have the text of the case handy. Yes, shotguns had been used in WWI, the Spanish-American War, and the US Civil War. That was not in question. The possession of a sawed-off shotgun was, i.e., a weapon altered to improve concealibility. >> Therefore, US vs. Miller supports limited government regulation of >> firearms. > >Don't go arguing down this road unless you are willing to abide by >the consequences that you find at the end of it -- mainly, that the >law-abiding common man has a right to own any weapon that has a militia >purpose, from handguns to sawed-off shotguns and fully automatic weapons. >That, in fact, is what this decision says. You are free to produce evidence that I'm not willing to abide with all the implications of this. Just because I don't whole-heartedly endorse the NRA position does not mean that I oppose the RKBA. This attitude is what makes the NRA unpopular. -- Stephen Graham graham@cs.washington.edu uw-beaver!june!graham " 9270,11,"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: :Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key : itself"" :You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; : the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of : copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" :Judge and CP: ""Oh."" : How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or :can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will :they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the same trail. -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now. ""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG " 9271,6,"From: europa@eng.umd.edu (Tae Hun Kim) Subject: NEW Hard Drive SALE!!! Organization: University of Maryland Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: coke.eng.umd.edu Seagate 1.2GB SCSI hard Drive Brand NEW with full factory warranty. 5-1/4"" FH, 15ms access time, 150,000 MTBF Only $1100+s/h. Leave E-mail if interested. " 9272,3,"From: cannon@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Christopher Cannon) Subject: Re: Help with 24bit mode for ATI Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc Lines: 26 In article wong@ws13.webo.dg.com (E. Wong) writes: >I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However, Where did you get this driver. Please, please, please !!!! I've been waiting months for this. >when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture. >With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong? >Is it the card, or is it the software? >-- >Thanks >8) > _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ > >user's name: Edward Wong >Internet: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com >telephone: (508) 870-9352 -- =================== cannon@lobby.ti.com " 9273,10,"From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) Subject: NHL Playoff leaders as of April 19, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Lines: 126 Playoff leaders as of April 19, 1993 Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM M.Lemieux PIT 1 2 2 4 0 0 Juneau BOS 1 1 3 4 0 0 Noonan CHI 1 3 0 3 0 0 Mogilny BUF 1 2 1 3 0 0 Neely BOS 1 2 1 3 0 0 Brown STL 1 1 2 3 0 0 Jagr PIT 1 1 2 3 0 0 Oates BOS 1 0 3 3 0 0 Carson LA 1 2 0 2 0 0 Hunter WAS 1 2 0 2 0 0 Stevens NJ 1 2 0 2 0 0 Cullen TOR 1 1 1 2 0 0 Hull STL 1 1 1 2 0 0 Khristich WAS 1 1 1 2 0 0 Linden VAN 1 1 1 2 0 0 Racine DET 1 1 1 2 0 0 Shanahan STL 1 1 1 2 0 0 Sydor LA 1 1 1 2 0 0 Yzerman DET 1 1 1 2 0 0 Bure VAN 1 0 2 2 0 0 Coffey DET 1 0 2 2 0 0 Drake DET 1 0 2 2 0 0 Emerson STL 1 0 2 2 0 0 G.Courtnall VAN 1 0 2 2 0 0 Johansson WAS 1 0 2 2 0 0 Lapointe QUE 1 0 2 2 0 0 Niedermayer NJ 1 0 2 2 0 0 Ramsey PIT 1 0 2 2 0 0 Sandstrom LA 1 0 2 2 0 0 Smehlik BUF 1 0 2 2 0 0 Stevens PIT 1 0 2 2 0 0 Adams VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Barr NJ 1 1 0 1 0 0 Bellows MON 1 1 0 1 0 0 Burr DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Chiasson DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Craven VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Dahlquist CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Dionne MON 1 1 0 1 0 0 Felsner STL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Ferraro NYI 1 1 0 1 0 0 Francis PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 Gilmour TOR 1 1 0 1 0 0 Hannan BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Heinze BOS 1 1 0 1 0 0 Howe DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Huddy LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 King WIN 1 1 0 1 0 0 LaFontaine BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Lefebvre TOR 1 1 0 1 0 0 McSorley LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 Millen LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 Ronning VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Rucinsky QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sakic QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sheppard DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Steen WIN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Suter CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sweeney BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Tipett PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 Yawney CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Young QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Barnes WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Borschevsky TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Brunet MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Chelios CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ciccarelli DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Clark TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Desjardins MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Dipietro MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Donnelly LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Driver NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Duchesne QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ellett TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Elynuik WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Flatley NYI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Fleury CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gallant DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gill TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Granato LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gretzky LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Guerin NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Hawerchuk BUF 1 0 1 1 0 0 Holik NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Housley WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Janney STL 1 0 1 1 0 0 K.Brown CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Khmylev BUF 1 0 1 1 0 0 Krygier WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Larmer CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 MacInnis CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Matteau CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 McEachern PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 McLean VAN 1 0 1 1 0 0 McRae STL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Mullen PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Muller MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Murphy PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Murzyn VAN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Otto CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Pearson TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Pivonka WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Primeau DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Probert DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Reichel CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ricci QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Robitaille LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Roenick CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Samuelsson PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Semak NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Shannon WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Shuchuk LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Sundin QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Sutter CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Taylor LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Tocchet PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Vaske NYI 1 0 1 1 0 0 -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard - " 9274,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: Wings will win Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 67 In article 735307970@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: > >>In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > >>>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >>>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >>>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >>>I have ever seen in hockey > >>How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were >>a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked >>unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for >>the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would >>have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon >>of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can >>maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level. > >When Jacques Demers brought the Wings to the conference finals twice a >few years back, he had everyone on the team giving 100 percent, but he >had very little talent. He had Yzerman, Bob Probert (who had drinking >problems at the time), and a couple of decent goaltenders in Hanlon and >Stefan who got hot. That's about it. Can you name one player on those >earlier teams who even deserved to be in the all-star game, much less >actually got there, other than Yzerman and Probert? Like, Petr Klima? >Give me a break! When they faced Edmonton in both of those conference >finals, as hard as they played, it was clear they faced a team that simply >had superior talent to the Wings. That's why they could not get to the >finals. Also, at that time the Norris division was still the weakest >division in hockey, and getting past Chicago, and Toronto was not as >impressive as it is today. > >Murray has brought scoring talent to the Wings that they did not have a >few years ago when Devellano was GM and Demers was coach. To name a few, >Ysebaert, Kozlov, and Paul Coffey (who has made a definite positive impact on >the power play especially). >Murray has built one of the most talented teams in hockey at the present, with >the possible exception of the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Wings have at least >five 30 goal scorers that I can think of, and a couple of defenseman with over >100 games worth of playoff experience. Murray's one failing is that unlike >the other GM's you mentioned (who are definitely also good, don't get me >wrong), he has not found for himself a strong coach to motivate the team to >go out and give 100 percent for the full 60 minutes every night like they >did the last time they made a cup run. When a team wins or loses, it's a >reflection of the GM *and* the coach, which was the point of my original >post. If the team outmatches their opponent in terms of talent but loses >anyway (which has been the case this year when the Wings have struggled), >that indicates that the GM has done his job in building up the team but the >coach has failed to motivate them. If, as in the case of the last run the >Wings made in the playoffs before Murray came, they gave opponents a hard >time who should have beaten them easily, that indicates good coaching making >up for a lack of talent. All of this is fine. I never said that Murray was a bad GM. I merely said that he isn't the best GM in hockey- or even a contender for that honor. If Murray is as great as you claim- the Wings would have won the Stanley Cup by now- probably more than once. If he was as great a GM as you claim and he was as poor a coach as you claim- he would have been intelligent enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success. But Murray is an average (unspectacular) NHL coach and a pretty good GM so none of this is true anyway. Gregmeister " 9275,11,"From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Little to None Lines: 20 >>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? > >[From Mike Godwin , posted with permission - Carl] > >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that administering ""truth serum"" would be ruled a violation of your right not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference? Both drawing blood and injecting ""truth serum"" incapacitate you for a while, but do no permanent damage. Is it simply that we have come to view one as acceptable, while the other is viewed as a fundamental violation of one's rights? If this is the case, how do we expand the protections of the 5th amendment to incorporate new technologies without the results being a hodgepodge of different judges personal opinions? -- Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards: 614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from. " 9276,6,"From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis) Subject: **Nash Metropolitan Forsale!** Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 34 My little Nash has sat for about a year (had been running), but now I must move a long distance and there are too many things to carry with me. Here are the details of the car: 1958 Hardtop--Exterior condition: Rocker panels rusted out at weld points, no rust at typical spots like door hinge mounting points, back battery box, etc. Missing front bumper, front pan dented up, one weld popped in front. This is for the most part a solid, restorable automobile. Interior Condition: Missing original steering wheel, has one of the smaller aftermarket wheels, seats need reupholstered, general fair condition. Mechanical Condition: Had been running, but now does not want to start...needs new rings (which I have) also have extra parts such as complete long block, extra steering shaft, etc. For a car that has not been touched since 1958, it is in solid shape. It will obviously need some work, but will make a good project. PRICE: Well, this is a tough one, I would like to get around 800.00, but will consider any serious offers by individuals willing to come and get it. If you have things to trade such as tools, toys, cameras, comics, cards, etc., anything easily movable to Florida, I may consider that as well. Hit , or my e-mail address is Ellis.15@osu.edu (614) 777-0791 home (leave message) Thanks Mike " 9277,4,"From: gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen) Subject: Re: Photo shop scanner? Organization: Florida State University Lines: 37 In article root@ncube.com (Operator) writes: >From: root@ncube.com (Operator) >Subject: Photo shop scanner? >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:49:30 GMT >I have a Macc IIci and a Color scanner. >I scanned a picture at 600 dpi. When I try to print >it on my HP500 color printer, after 10 minutes of >making noise, the mac hangs. I would need to reboot it. >What does this mean? Do I need to buy more memory? I have >5.0 MB now. I also have about 50 MB of disk free, and the >scanned picture is about 12 MB. > >--- > > > > ^~ > @ * * > Captain Zod... _|/_ / > zod@ncube.com |-|-|/ > 0 /| 0 > / | > \=======&==\=== > \===========&=== > > > have you tried printing the data file (TIFF) from another application such as freehand or PageMaker? I have found that Photoshop has occasional problems printing files that I can print through other applications. -GReg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu | Infinite Illusions Juggling Supplies | | ""Beware of the Fnord or it will | 1-800-54TORCH Call or write for a | | eat you"" | catalog. | " 9278,1,"From: rknight@stiatl.salestech.com (Ray Knight) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc. Lines: 19 uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes: >re: majority of users not readding from floppy. >Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use >CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked >the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current >didrectory? Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2 applications. -- What I have to say is my own opinion and has no bearing on any other person or organization including my employer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- rknight@salestech.com (404) 841-5316 Sales Technologies, Inc. " 9279,8,"From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Round Two Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 22 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes: > >If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered >first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change >their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities >quickly. And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change their policies. The odds are about equal. >I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion >is cleared up to my satisfaction. I suspect about 5. We shall see. You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 9280,5,"From: gringort@tantalus.pa.dec.com (Joel Gringorten) Subject: Re: **** CURSOR SIZE PROBLEMS **** Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory Lines: 37 Distribution: world Reply-To: gringort@tantalus.pa.dec.com (Joel Gringorten) NNTP-Posting-Host: tantalus.pa.dec.com In article , mbell@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mike Bell) writes: > /* Apologies for those who have read this before but no-one has solved this */ > /* one yet so I'm posting again! Sorry :-) */ > > I'm having problems creating a cursor bigger than 64x64, I'm using Motif 1.1 > X11R4 running HP-UX 8.07 - all the functions return valid results but no > cursor appears when the bitmap is bigger than the aforementioned size. I tried > > using the following code: > > unsigned int w,h; > XQueryBestCursor(XtDisplay(programArea), XtWindow(programArea), 72, 71, &w, > &h); > > to return the nearest size to what I require however it returns 72 and 71 as > the width and height respectively. What am I doing wrong? and if not how can I > get round the problem!! Does the workstation you're using have hardware cursor support? Or does the server generate a software cursor. You can generally tell the difference just by using it. If the cursor blinks a lot when there's screen activity, it's probably a software cursor. If it has a hardware cursor, I think you're probably battling a bug in HP's X server. I'm not familiar with any hardware cursor chips that display cursors greater than 64x64. It's quite possible that the server is just echoing your preferred cursor size without actually checking it. I vaguely recall that very old MIT server revisions did just that. In reality you're probably stuck with a 64x64 maximum size cursor regardless of what the server returns. -joel " 9281,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view In-Reply-To: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 05:46:03 GMT Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers Lines: 16 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to admissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from time to time be simple fishing expeditions. Far more likely, these things will continue to be done no matter what assurances we are given. ""Key Escrow"" is likely going to prove to be a joke. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 9282,5,"From: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) Subject: WANTED: X & security posting Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA Lines: 20 A few days ago there was a posting in this group by Andrea Winkler titled ""X and Security / X Technical Conference"". I was one of the instructors of that tutorial. Unfortunately, my system purged the message before I had a chance to see it, and I don't have Andrea's email address. If someone has Andrea's address and/or the posting, I would really appreciate it if you'd forward it to me! Thanks --Jeremy Jeremy Epstein Internet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com Trusted X Research Group Voice: +1 703/803-4947 TRW Systems Division Fairfax Virginia -- Jeremy Epstein Internet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com Trusted X Research Group Voice: +1 703/803-4947 TRW Systems Division Fairfax Virginia " 9283,8,"From: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: isma.demon.co.uk Reply-To: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne) Organization: Demon Internet Services. In <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: >An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend >damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by >the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they >Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows. Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over here as in the states :-) Stephen -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Stephen Dunne MAG DoD#766 sdun@isma.demon.co.uk | |International Securities Market Association I speak for me,thats all| |Voice (+44) 71-538-5656 Fax (+44) 71-538-4902 PGP public key available| |We are not affiliated to any other Demon.Co.Uk site. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9284,13,"From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: accord2 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.173019.11903@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: > >As for how foods taste: If I'm not allergic to MSG and I like >the taste of it, why shouldn't I use it? Saying I shouldn't use >it is like saying I shouldn't eat spicy food because my neighbor >has an ulcer. > Nobody is saying that you shouldn't be allowed to use msg. Just don't force it on others. If you have food that you want to enhance with msg just put the MSG on the table like salt. It is then the option of the eater to use it. If you make a commerical product, just leave it out. You can include a packet (like some salt packets) if you desire. Salt, pepper, mustard, ketchup, pickles ..... are table options. Treat MSG the same way. I wouldn't shove my condiments down your throat, don't shove yours down mine. WFL -- Walter Lundby " 9285,19,"From: b.liddicott@ic.ac.uk Subject: Re: He has risen! Organization: Imperial College Parapsychology Group Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Just to remark that I have heard that David Koresh has risen from the dead. I dont know if it is true or not, but this is what I have been told. What do you guys think? Ben L. " 9286,16,"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Distribution: world Lines: 4 As a minor point of interest, earlier news reports claim to have been quoting the Governor of Texas when Her Holiness referred to the Dividians as _Mormons_ and called for their expulsion from TX. Any Texans have details? " 9287,6,From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin) Subject: FOR SALE: FARENHEIT 1280 24bit Article-I.D.: umr.1993Apr5.231308.3558 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu Originator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu FOR SALE: Orchid Fareheit 1280 24bit color card -1 meg -almost new $200 or best offer This is a post for a friend Call him (Thuan Pho) at 314-368-3624 T.J. Houchin 9288,14,"From: daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: NSPC Distribution: na Lines: 107 In article <1quule$5re@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |> |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. |> |> Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? |> |> Anyone want to go? |> |> pat Here are some selected excerpts of the invitation/registration form they sent me. Retyped without permission, all typo's are mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Cost Lunar Access: A one-day conference to explore the means and benefits of a rejuvenated human lunar program. Friday, May 7, 1993 Hyatt Regency - Crystal City Hotel Arlington, VA ABOUT THE CONFERENCE The Low-Cost Lunar Access conference will be a forum for the exchange of ideas on how to initiate and structure an affordable human lunar program. Inherent in such low-cost programs is the principle that they be implemented rapidly and meet their objectives within a short time frame. [more deleted] CONFERENCE PROGRAM (Preliminary) In the Washington Room: 9:00 - 9:10 a.m. Opening Remarks Dr. Alan M. Lovelace 9:10 - 9:30 a.m. Keynote Address Mr. Brian Dailey 9:30 - 10:00 a.m. U.S. Policy Outlook John Pike, American Federation of Scientists A discussion of the prospects for the introduction of a new low-cost lunar initiative in view of the uncertain direction the space program is taking. 10:00 - 12:00 noon Morning Plenary Sessions Presentations on architectures, systems, and operational concepts. Emphasis will be on mission approaches that produce significant advancements beyond Apollo yet are judged to be affordable in the present era of severely constrained budgets In the Potomac Room 12:00 - 1:30 p.m. Lunch Guest Speaker: Mr. John W. Young, NASA Special Assistant and former astronaut In the Washington Room 1:30 - 2:00 p.m. International Policy Outlook Ian Pryke (invited) ESA, Washington Office The prevailing situation with respect to international space commitments, with insights into preconditions for European entry into new agreements, as would be required for a cooperative lunar program. 2:00 - 3:30 p.m. Afternoon Plenary Sessions Presentations on scientific objectives, benefits, and applications. Emphasis will be placed on the scientific and technological value of a lunar program and its timeliness. --------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a registration form and the fee is US$75.00. The mail address is American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Dept. No. 0018 Washington, DC 20073-0018 and the FAX No. is: (202) 646-7508 or it says you can register on-site during the AIAA annual meeting and on Friday morning, May 7, from 7:30-10:30 Sounds interesting. Too bad I can't go. |--------------------------------- ******** -------------------------| | * _!!!!_ * | | Steven Davis * / \ \ * | | daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov * () * | | * \>_db_Is there a collection of forms routines that can be used with curses? >If so where is it located? On my SVR4 Amiga Unix box, I've got -lform, -lmenu, and -lpanel for use with the curses library. Guess what they provide? :-) Unix Press, ie. Prentice-Hall, has a programmer's guide for these tools, referred to as the FMLI (Forms Mgmt Language Interface) and ETI (Extended Terminal Interface), now in it's 2nd edition. It is ISBN 0-13-020637-7. Paraphrased from the outside back cover: FMLI is a high-level programming tool for creating menus, forms, and text frames. ETI is a set of screen management library subroutines that promote fast development of application programs for window, panel, menu, and form manipulation. The FMLI is a shell package which reads ascii text files and produces screen displays for data entry and presentation. It consists of a ""shell-like"" environment of the ""fmli"" program and it's database files. It is section 1F in the Unix Press manual. The ETI are subroutines, part of the 3X manual section, provide support for a multi-window capability on an ordinary ascii terminal with controls built on top of the curses library. >Thanks >-Mark Steele >steelem@rintintin.colorado.edu -- Frank ""Crash"" Edwards Edwards & Edwards Consulting Voice: 813/786-3675 crash%ckctpa@myrddin.sybus.com, but please Data: 813/787-3675 don't ask UUNET to route it -- it's sloooow. There will be times in life when everyone you meet smiles and pats you on the back and tells you how great you are ... so hold on to your wallet. " 9290,0,"From: west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: next15csc.wam.umd.edu Reply-To: west@next02.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 35 In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <1993Apr5.163050.13308@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. > >Ryan) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr5.025924.11361@wam.umd.edu> > >west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >> > >> >THE ILLIAD IS THE UNDISPUTED WORD OF GOD(tm) *prove me wrong* > >> > >> I dispute it. > >> > >> Ergo: by counter-example: you are proven wrong. > > > > I dispute your counter-example > > > > Ergo: by counter-counter-example: you are wrong and > > I am right so nanny-nanny-boo-boo TBBBBBBBTTTTTTHHHHH > > No. The premis stated that it was undisputed. > Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. Brian West -- THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * -""To the Earth, we have been THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * here but for the blink of an OK, SO IT'S A SIG FILE * eye, if we were gone tomorrow, posted by west@wam.umd.edu * we would not be missed.""- who doesn't care who knows it. * (Jurassic Park) ** DICLAIMER: I said this, I meant this, nobody made me do it.** " 9291,10,"From: rvpst2+@pitt.edu (Richard V Polinski) Subject: Re: Winning Streaks Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 24 In article <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes: > > The Penguins 18 game unbeaten streak carries over to next season. >Meaning, if they start the season with another 18 game unbeaten streak, they >will have eclipsed the Flyers record. Right now, the Penguins are on an 11 >game winning streak, as streaks carry over from one year to another. Hmmmm, I'm not sure this is true. According to Mike Lang and good old Stagie, along with the rest of the TV crews in pittsburgh, they winning streak could have stopped because it is a regular season mark. I would think this would also hold with an unbeaten streak for regular season games. However, you are right that the playoff streak does carry over from last year. And with 1 more win, I believe they tie an Edmonton record (but don't quote me on that one). >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it >Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. >Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are >rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" " 9292,10,"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: request for list of Boston Univ. players in NHL Distribution: na Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 6 Originator: icop@csa Being a proud BU alumnus, I'd like to get a list of BU players in the NHL so I can keep an eye on their progress. A lot of Terriers are graduating this year so I hope to see them soon in the NHL. If somebody could post or send me a list, I'd appreciate it. Please note if the player graduated from here or not. " 9293,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: Whither QuickDraw Performance (across product line) Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 26 In daves@xetron.com (Dave Steele) writes: >The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the >(drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with >the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison. >Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the >disparity in graphics/processor performance? I think you are suffering from some alignment or color table or problems, if a Color Classic is as fast as a Quadra rendering to screen. What screen card you use does of course matter much (built-in video is almost always faster than NuBus) Or you measured ""scroll entire screen"" where the Color Classic had a VRAM 10"" screen in 4-bit color and the Quadra had a 21"" 24-bit screen on NuBus :-) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This sig less than 3 lines: Improve the UseNet S/N ratio! " 9294,9,"Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE From: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Reply-To: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Organization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2 Lines: 14 In article , ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu >writes: >>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION >>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE ""MAGIC"" > >Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of >nine players each. Let's keep it that way. Last weeks Sports Illustrated has a couple of big articles on the designated hitter. It is the 1993 baseball issue. Th is weeks Sports Illustrated " 9295,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 50 In <1993Apr19.191126.27651@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of >changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for >the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names >based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice >and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not >think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of >people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway. There are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the fans. I feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties more than names honouring personages. And of course, they would not appear nearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time. Another thing that bothers me is the points system. Percentages, as used in the other major sports are clearly more informative. When I look at the NHL standings the first thing I have to do is make a quick calculation to account for games in hand (which is almost always the case). Some will object to percentages, claiming perhaps, that it is an ""Americanization"" of the sport but I feel that using percentages is more informative and whether it is ""American"" or not is irrelevant. >If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not >central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is >whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport' >would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to >play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to >builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although >it was the chicken.....) Even if Orr couldn't have contributed without the likes of Norris, you would have to agree that Norris couldn't have contributed without the likes of Orr. And taking a poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made the more meaningful contribution. >>Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch >>is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have >>always thought that this was nonsense. >Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though >his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up. It doesn't look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it? -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 9296,7,"From: awelker@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (a welker) Subject: Aftermarket exhausts for BMW 320i Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 14 I am in the process of looking for a half decent aftermarket sport exhaust for my 1981 BMW 320i. So far, I have found a Pacesetter exhaust for $219 and an Ansa exhaust for $190 (Canadian funds). I was wondering if anyone could tell me anyhting about either of these exhausts or any other possible exhausts that I may be interested in. My main priorities are a decent horse power increase (5-30%) and a nice low note to go along with that added power. I was also thinking of looking into both Remus and Leistritz exhausts.Has anyone got anything to say about these? I am mainly looking for the muffler only but if anyone can find a good deal on a whole kit I would be willing to go after that. I also would like to know how much these would cost me in the States.Please mail me back if you have any information. Mike Welker " 9297,0,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War Lines: 232 In article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew writes: > jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >>In article <930414.121019.7E4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew >> writes: >>> Yes. Fortunately we have right-thinking folks like your good self in power >>> and it was therefore deemed acceptable to slaughter tens or even hundreds o >>> thousands of Iraqis in order to liberate oil^H^H^HKuwait. We won the war, >>> hurrah hurrah! >> >> The number of civilian Iraqi deaths were way over-exaggerated and >> exploited for anti-war emotionalism by the liberal news media. The >> facts are that less Iraqis died in the Gulf War than did civilians >> in any other war of comparable size this century! > > Let's analyze this claim a little. How is the ""size"" of a war defined? By > number of participants? Geographical area? Number of countries involved? > Number of casualties? Size of armies, duration, numbers of casualties both absolute and as a percentage of those involved, geographical area and numbers of countries too, are all measures of size. In this case I'd say the relevant statistic would be the number of combatants (total troops) compared to total casualties from among the total civilian population in the affected geographical area. > > Which other ""comparable"" wars are we talking about? Vietnam and Korea might make good comparisons. > > Which ""liberal news media"" are we talking about? > Western news in general, but in particular the American ""mass media"": CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The general tone of the news during the whole war was one of ""those poor, poor Iraqis"" along with ""look how precisely this cruise missile blew this building to bits"". >> This was due mostly >> to the short duration coupled with precise surgical bombing techniques >> which were technically possible only recently. > > I suspect that medical advances may have something to do with it too. I agree. > >> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? >> I don't hear you bemoaning them! > > Perhaps because the topic hasn't cropped up. If you want my opinion, I think > that the blanket bombing of German cities at the end of World War Two was the > most appalling act of wholesale slaughter this country has committed in > centuries. Bomber Harris was no hero of mine. Perhaps so. And maybe the atomic bomb was a mistake too. But that's easy to say from our ""enlightened"" viewpoint here in the 90's, right? Back then, it was *all-out* war, and Germany and Japan had to be squashed. After all, a million or more British had already died, hundreds of thousands of French, a couple hundread thousand or so Americans, and millions of Russians, not to mention a few million Jews, Poles, and other people of slavic descent in German concentration camps. All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick end to avoid even greater allied losses. I, for one, don't regret it. > >> War is never an exact science, but >> with smart bombs, it's becoming more exact with a smaller percentage >> of civilian casualties. Sometimes mistakes are made; targets are >> misidentified; innocents die. That's war the way it really is. > > Entrenched political rulers operating in their own selfish interests without > regard for the lives of other people, *that* is the way war really is. Sure. And it's the people who suffer because of them. All the more reason to depose these ""entrenched political rulers operating in their own selfish interests""! Or do you mean that this applies to the allies as well?? > > Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet? If > Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks before > we started bombing? I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America, misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's oil supply, he had to be stopped. Sure the war could have been prevented by judicious and concerted effort on the part of the West before Hussein invaded Kuwait, but it is still *Hussein* who is responsible for his decision to invade. And once he did so, a strong response from the West was required. > >> Mathew, your sarcasm is noted but you are completely off-base here. >> You come off sounding like a complete peace-nik idiot, although I >> feel sure that was not your intent. > > What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't > doing a very good job of it. Well, it's not very ""loving"" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to say yes, stopping Hussein was the most ""loving"" thing to do for the most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest. > >> So the Iraqi war was wrong, eh? I'm sure that appeasement would have >> worked better than war, just like it did in WW2, eh? > > Who even mentioned appeasement? And what makes you think the situation is > even remotely analogous to World War Two? I mentioned it. If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would have been appeasement. It is precisely the lessons the world learned in WW2 that motivated the Western alliance to war. Letting Hitler take Austria and Czechoslavkia did not stop WW2 from happening, and letting Hussein keep Kuwait would not have stopped an eventual Gulf War to protect Saudi Arabia. > >> I guess we >> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent >> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. > > Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know. > Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in his grandiose quest for a ""Thousand Year Reich"". The consequences stemmed from that. >> Tyrants like Hussein *have* to be stopped. His kind don't understand >> diplomacy; they only understand the point of a gun. My only regret is >> that Bush wimped out and didn't have the military roll into Baghdad, so >> now Hussein is still in power and the Iraqi people's sacrifice (not to >> mention the 357 Americans who died) was for naught. > > I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and Tibet. > What should I say about them? Anything in particular? >> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* >> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? > > Yes. Amongst the things I thought were ""Hmm, there's an awful lot of white > people in that jury."" So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!! And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers! If there had been black officers involved, I'm sure their would have been black jurors too. This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow. > >> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those >> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. >> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I >> have not seen. > > When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on > the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have > been. So? It's ""hard to imagine""? So when has Argument from Incredulity gained acceptance from the revered author of ""Constructing a Logical Argument""? Can we expect another revision soon?? :) (Just kidding.) > > If there is some wonderful evidence, why is it seemingly being kept secret? > Why not tell everyone what it is? Then everyone could say ""Oh, yes, you're > right, King deserved a good beating"", and we could all live happily ever > after. I have to admit that I wonder this too. But *neither* the prosecution nor the defense is talking. So one cannot conclude either way due to the silence of the principals. > >> Law in this country is intended to protect the rights of the accused, >> whether they be criminals or cops. One is not found guilty if there is >> a reasonable doubt of one's guilt, and only the jury is in a position >> to assess the evidence and render a verdict. > > Fine, but I'm still finding it hard to imagine what the ""reasonable doubt"" > was in this case. I mean, the cops certainly seem to be beating someone > who's lying defenceless on the ground. What's your explanation? Mass > hallucination? Orbital mind-control lasers? Faked video footage? Do tell. > OK. It certainly seemed to me that there was excessive force involved. And frankly, the original ""not guilty"" verdict baffled me too. But then I learned that the prosecution in the first case did not try to convict on a charge of excessive force or simple assault which they probably would have won, they tried to get a conviction on a charge of aggravated assault with intent to inflict serious bodily harm. A charge, which news commentators said, was akin to attempted murder under California law. Based on what the prosecution was asking for, it's evident that the first jury decided that the officers were ""not guilty"". Note, not ""not guilty"" of doing wrong, but ""not guilty"" of aggravated assault with the *intent* of inflicting serious bodily harm. The seeds of the prosecutions defeat were in their own overconfidence in obtaining a verdict such that they went for the most extreme charge they could. If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then I feel the ""not guilty"" verdict was a reasonable one. > > mathew > [ ""Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing, > in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way, > as unfortunately it cannot be helped."" > -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians ] Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.) Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem contradictory. But then, you know that already. Regards, Jim B. Loving Christian :) " 9298,17,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes: >arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >>> > > >>recognize the statement that these ""private funds"" were all tax exmpt. In > >The donations are tax deductible like any donations to a non-profit >organization. I've donated money to a group restoring streetcars >and it was tax deductible. Why don't you contribute to a group >helping the homeless if you so concerned? I do (did) contribute to the ARF mortgage fund but when interest rates plumetted, I just paid it off. The problem is, I couldn't convince Congress to move my home to a nicer location on Federal land. BTW, even though the building is alleged to be funded by tax exempt private funds, the maintainence and operating costs will be borne by taxpayers forever. Would anyone like to guess how much that will come to and tell us why this point is never mentioned? js " 9299,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Space Design Movies? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.124722.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Is there a few Grasp pictures of space related items, namely Space Station Designs, so you can see the ""finished"" revolt around.. If you don't know what a grasp prograsm is.. Check out some adult entertainment files and see what I mean.. Or maybe geta few GIF files and create a ""slide shows"" (I think Cshow can do this).. I liek to be able to see a space shuttle design in a AutoCAD program or to see it revolt around and look at it. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 9300,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >But, you don't know that capital punishment is wrong, so it isn't the same >>as shooting. A better analogy would be that you continue to drive your car, >>realizing that sooner or later, someone is going to be killed in an automobile >>accident. You *know* people get killed as a result of driving, yet you >>continue to do it anyway. >Uh uh. You do not know that you will be the one to do the >killing. I'm not sure I'd drive a car if I had sufficient evidence to >conclude that I would necessarily kill someone during my lifetime. Yes, and everyone thinks as you do. No one thinks that he is going to cause or be involved in a fatal accident, but the likelihood is surprisingly high. Just because you are the man on the firing squad whose gun is shooting blanks does not mean that you are less guilty. >I don't know about Jon, but I say *ALL* taking of human life is >murder. And I say murder is wrong in all but one situation: when >it is the only action that will prevent another murder, either of >myself or another. You mean that killing is wrong in all but one situtation? And, you should note that that situation will never occur. There are always other options thank killing. Why don't you just say that all killing is wrong. This is basically what you are saying. >I'm getting a bit tired of your probabilistic arguments. Are you attempting to be condescending? >That the system usually works pretty well is small consolation to >the poor innocent bastard getting the lethal injection. Is your >personal value of human life based solely on a statistical approach? >You sound like an unswerving adherent to the needs of the many >outweighing the needs of the few, so fuck the few. But, most people have found the risk to be acceptable. You are probably much more likely to die in a plane crash, or even using an electric blender, than you are to be executed as an innocent. I personally think that the risk is acceptable, but in an ideal moral system, no such risk is acceptable. ""Acceptable"" is the fudge factor necessary in such an approximation to the ideal. keith " 9301,7,"From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) Subject: 300ZX or SC300??? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 15 Hi everyone, I'm getting a car in the near future. I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. Which might be a better choice? Thanks for your opnion, Danny -- =============================================================================== = ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = = Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = = | = = Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = = Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = " 9302,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Lines: 16 From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about those two names) I'm really not entirely sure I trust EFF any more to be honest. Anyway, any organisation can be deeply infiltrated. Look at CND in Britain a dozen years ago - one of their top members was an SIS spy who stole their complete address list. How hard would it be to get one person to sneak in and copy the escrow data to disk? G " 9303,2,"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) Subject: Reboot when I start windows. Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: week.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 21 Recently the following problem has arrisen. The first time I turn on my computer when windows starts (from my autoexec) after the win31 title screen the computer reboots on its own. Usually the second time (after reboot) or from the DOS prompt everything works fine. s far as I remember I have not changed my config.sys or autoxec.bat or win.ini. I can't remember whether this problem occured before I optimized/defragmented my disk and created a larger swap file (Thank you MathCAD 4 :( ) System 386sx, 4MB, stacker 2.0, win31, DOS 5 --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | | Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | | | stupidity, and I'm not sure | | | about the former. - Einstein | | carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| | space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9304,3,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: HELP 8088/80286 ADVICE Lines: 11 I own an 8088 640K clone which does all I want except run 1 game I want to buy. The game says it requires a 80286 with 640K. Game tech. support says game will run on 8088 but uses a some digitized graphics which would make it run really *slow* (it's a card game - Hoyles Classic Card Games, digitized graphics are photos artwork of game fictional card players). What can I do to speed up how this game would run, short of an 80286 motherboard upgrade. Co-processor? Accelerator card mimicking 80286? My 8088 can run at 10 Mhz. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Gil (guf@psuvm.psu.edu) " 9305,1,"From: chris@zeus.alta-oh.com (Chris Murphy) Subject: Re: Needed: Plotting package that does... Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.alta-oh.com Organization: ALTA Analytics Lines: 38 In article , full_gl@pts.mot.com (Glen Fullmer) writes: |> Looking for a graphics/CAD/or-whatever package on a X-Unix box that will |> take a file with records like: |> |> n a b p |> |> where n = a count - integer |> a = entity a - string |> b = entity b - string |> p = type - string |> |> and produce a networked graph with nodes represented with boxes or circles |> and the vertices represented by lines and the width of the line determined by |> n. There would be a different line type for each type of vertice. The boxes |> need to be identified with the entity's name. The number of entities < 1000 |> and vertices < 100000. It would be nice if the tool minimized line |> cross-overs and did a good job of layout. ;-) |> |> I have looked in the FAQ for comp.graphics and gnuplot without success. Any |> ideas would be appreciated? |> |> Thanks, |> -- |> Glen Fullmer, glen_fullmer@pts.mot.com, (407)364-3296 |> Hi, See Roger Grywalski's response to : Re: Help on network visualization in comp.graphics.visualization. Amongst other things, it does exactly this! -- Chris Murphy - chris@alta-oh.com (614) 792-2222 Columbus. OH. " 9306,18,"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) Subject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it Distribution: usa Organization: HSH Associates Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes: > > In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed. >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.) >> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game. >> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before. > > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS. It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle? I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan. dan-quayle! Begone! ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. " 9307,7,"From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: BMW's new plant in Greer, SC Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Is anyone reading this message involved with the new BMW plant? (does BMW corporate even have a net-connection?) desperately seeking info, Jeff Hagen hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu " 9308,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 21 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > > The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for >certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church >meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just >pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I >maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely >passenger? If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a small one). --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 9309,5,"From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Nntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.197 Organization: Texaco Lines: 36 In article <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com>, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) writes: |> |> I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window |> of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application |> could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an |> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of |> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). |> |> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? |> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me |> with XOpenWindow? There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. |> I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first |> time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of |> the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this |> initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this |> true? The GlxMDraw widget works pretty well. OpenGL will be an improvement. |> Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? I think GL is a little easier to use and a little more powerful, but that's just an opinion. Mileage may vary. -- Larry D. Pyeatt The views expressed here are not Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com those of my employer or of anyone Voice : (713) 975-4056 that I know of with the possible exception of myself. " 9310,5,"From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm In-Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:35:46 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: grymoire.crd.ge.com Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> In article <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes: [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of /bin/echo or Csh's built-in echo. Otherwise you'll have to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string instead of using convenient octal sequences.] Bad idea. using /usr/5bin/echo is slower than the built-in echo. This is what I do. It does execute `hostname` once per shell window, and does read in one extra file. But manipluating the titles does not require executing extra programs. Oh yes, it does execute some programs once per each system. But it stores them in a file for the next time... if ( ! $?HOSTNAME ) then setenv HOSTNAME `hostname` endif # figure how how to generate escape, bell, # and echo commands without a a line terminator # I may have done this before. If so, the variable E is set # have I executed this script before on this system? if ( $?E ) then # echo ""already set the echo variables"">/dev/tty else if ( -f ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} ) then source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} else if ( `echo -n |wc -l` == 0 ) then # echo ""built in echo is bsd"" >/dev/tty # then berkeley style echo echo 'set ech = ""echo -n""' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo ""set E = `echo a | tr a '\033'`"" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo ""set B = `echo a | tr a '\007'`"" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set N = """"' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} else # echo ""built in echo is sysV"" >/dev/tty echo 'set ech = ""echo""' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set E = ""\033""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set B = ""\007""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} echo 'set N = ""\c""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} endif # Are we using shelltool, cmdtool or xterm? # duplicate these aliases here to avoid problems if ( $term =~ sun* ) then # Sun Aliases alias Header '${ech} ""${E}]l\!:1${E}\${N}""' alias IHeader '${ech} ""${E}]L\!:1${E}\${N}""' else if ( $term =~ xterm ) then alias Header '${ech} ""${E}]2;\!:1${B}${N}""' alias IHeader '${ech} ""${E}]1;\!:1${B}${N}""' endif -- Bruce Barnett uunet!crdgw1!barnett " 9311,1,From: Gordon_Sumerling@itd.dsto.gov.au (Gordon Sumerling) Subject: Re: Grayscale Printer Organization: ITD/DSTO Lines: 2 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: iapmac2.dsto.gov.au Have you considered the Apple Laserwriter IIg. We use it for all our B&W image printing. 9312,7,"From: mani@raunvis.hi.is (M'ani Thorsteinsson) Subject: Lois Chevrolet? Distribution: rec Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: raunvis.hi.is I was whatching The History Of The Indy 500 the other day, and early in the film, around the '10-'20's, a name, Lois Chevrolet, came out of the blue. I wanted to know if he is THE Chevrolet founder or mearly a driver who's name was called the same as the other guy's?:^) KONI. " 9313,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: na Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes: > >My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack >of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, >either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) I was *hoping* somebody would mention clutch. Clutch? Baerga? The two words simply do not go together. With runners in scoring position, Baerga batted .308/.366/.418 last year. This doesn't quite *suck*, but most batters hit *better* in this situation. Alomar? He hit .354/.439/.517 with runners in scoring position! The difference? Alomar had 68 RBIs in 147 such AB. Baerga had 81 RBIs in 182 such AB. Baerga got 25% more chances, yet succeeded only 20% more times. Frankly, I don't believe in clutch. But if I did, my vote would go to Alomar for MVP (let alone ""best 2B in the AL""). -Valentine " 9314,18,"From: barnett@convex.com (Paul Barnett) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 15 In roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: [ edited ] Now that's funny! (remembering that good humor always dances uncomfortably close to the truth) I can't wait to see the inevitable flames. :-) -- Paul Barnett MPP OS Development (214)-497-4846 Convex Computer Corp. Richardson, TX " 9315,7,"From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: AWD BMW Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 in europe you can buy a 525iX, with computer controlled diffs rather than the horrid viscous coupled ones of the outgoing 325iX. eliot " 9316,3,"From: thorf@csa.bu.edu (Thor Farrish) Subject: Maxtor drive geometry/jumpers Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 1 " 9317,10,"From: vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) Subject: Re: Individual Winners (WAS: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM?) Organization: Carleton University Lines: 52 In <1993Apr15.170226.11074@cci632.cci.com> dwk@cci632.cci.com (Dave Kehrer) writes: >Well, since you mentioned it... >In article <1993Apr12.142028.6300@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes: > >> Chelios the Norris, >If you asked me 30 days ago, I'd agree with you. I now give the nod to >Raymond Bourque; his play took off the same time the B's did. Chelios >gets a close second... How about Kevin Hatcher? Scored roughly 35 goals, plays 30 minutes a game. >> dunno who wins the Vezina, but I suspect not Potvin. > >Barrasso finally gets his due, in a close one over Eddie the Eagle... That's really sad when two second-rate goalies (Barasso and Belfour) are the main contenders for the Vezina. Call me crazy, but how about Tommy Soderstrom - five shutouts for a 6th place team that doesn't really play defense. It's really unfortunate that the better goalies in the league (McLean, Essensa, Vernon) had unspectacular years. BTW, if you are going to award the Norris on the basis of the last 30 days, why not give the Vezina to Moog? He has been the best goalie over the past month. >> Coach of the year is tricky: Burns did the most with the least raw talent, >> King did a good job but the Flames clearly underachieved last year, Brian >> Sutter has done exceptionally well in his first year with a new team, ditto >> Demers, Page has been blessed by the ripening and acquisition of young >> talent, Darryl Sutter is having a good year for a rookie coach, Berry made >> the best of a bad situation, Terry Crisp worked minor miracles, and Bowman >> was Bowman. I'd pick Burns, but I'm mildly biased. >In *your* case, that bias is acceptable :-)... Mine shows with the Norris pick, >so we're even... >I'm impressed with what all the coaches you mentioned did, but my pick would be >Al Arbour. Not too many folks thought the Isles would be in the playoffs, let >alone contend for 3rd in their division... Granted that they *did* have a little >help from their cousins on Broadway... :-) >And I like the Islanders about as much as I like mowing my lawn... Arbour or King. Burns will probably win, since playoffs aren't taken into consideration - he's OK in the regular season, but I'm not sure if he's beaten anyone other than Hartford in the playoffs. - Vlad the Impaler " 9318,6,"From: kayd@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Kayd) Subject: Texas Star DX350 Linear Amplifier or Tornado 100 Linear $150/$100 Keywords: 10m linear amplifier watts HF Article-I.D.: flop.1qshlgINNb3n Distribution: usa Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu Looking for an amateur radio operator that needs a variable power linear amplifier for 2-30MHz. Looks and works like new. Runs off 12v for mobile use. Input: 5-10 watts Output: ~175 watts AM, ~350 watts PEP SSB. I need $150 out of it. If that's too much, I also have a Tornado 100 that takes 5w in and 100/250w out for $100. Reply with your callsign, address and phone number for verification of license. Prices do NOT include shipping/packaging. Darrek Kay Kayd@Prism.cs.orst.edu (503)737-9410 KB7RVD " 9319,6,"From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET Subject: Re: CDs priced for immediate sale Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.93096.004253AGRGB Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 10 Hey now, The following cds are still available. Offers/trades considered. Gowan - Lost Brotherhood Katrina & the Waves - Break of Hearts Joe Cocker - Live Charles Neville - Diversity Thanks, Rich " 9320,5,"From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Nntp-Posting-Host: titan.iss.nus.sg Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 47 pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: : In article <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com>, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) writes: : |> : |> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of : |> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). : |> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? : |> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me : |> with XOpenWindow? You can't make GL calls in an XmDrawingArea widget for sure. : : There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or : GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it : allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, : glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. : : : The GlxMDraw widget works pretty well. OpenGL will be an improvement. I can vouch for that. The GL Widget works pretty well. I have been using it for sometime now. I'm not sure though whether you can use Xlib calls to draw into the GL widget. I haven't tried it yet nor have I read the accompanying documentation completely. Try posting to comp.sys.sgi for more information. Better still,you will find most of the answers in the SGI manuals .. there is a little transition guide which explains the ""mixed-model programming"" paradigm(Mixing X and GL). : |> Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? : : I think GL is a little easier to use and a little more powerful, but : that's just an opinion. Mileage may vary. Well, PEX is designed as an extension to X and will be more seamless but then, it is buggy to start with .. opinions again. __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ *************************************************************************** * Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * * Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * * Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * * National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * * Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * * Singapore 0511. * * *************************************************************************** " 9321,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Requests Lines: 53 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 53 In article <11857@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) >Subject: Re: Requests >Date: 19 Apr 93 18:25:08 GMT >In article mayne@cs.fsu.edu writes: >> (excess stuff deleted...) > However, it seems that a local church elder has been getting > revelations from god about a devastating quake scheduled to level > the area on May 3rd. He has independent corroboration from > several friends, who apparently have had similar revelations. The > 5.7 quake was, in fact, in response to a request from the lot of > them seeking a sign from god on the veracity of their visions. > > None of this would be terribly interesting, except for the amount > of stir it has created in the area. Many, many people are taking > these claims very seriously. There are some making plans to be > out of the are on the target date. My local religious radio > station devoted 4 hours of discussion on the topic. > > I even called up during one of the live broadcasts to tell the > host that he would have a full account of my conversion on May > 4th, provided my family and I survived the devastation and ruin > that will invariably follow the quake. > >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM > >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I know of a similar incident about 3 years ago. A climatologist( Ithink that was his profession) named Iben Browning predicted that an earthquake would hit the New Madrid fault on Dec.3. Some schools in Missouri that were on the fault line actually cancelled school for the day. Many people evacuated New Madrid and other towns in teh are. I wouldn't be suprised if there were more journalists in the area than residents. Of course, teh earthquake never occured. HOw do I know about his? I used to live in Southern Illinois and the lican middle school was built directly on the fault line. No we still had school... We laughed at the poor idiots who believed the prediction. :):):):) Bob, if you're wanting an excuse to convert to Christianity, you gonna have to look elsewhere. Tammy ""No Trim"" Healy " 9322,4,"From: hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) Subject: Re: changing port buffer size in ZTerm Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 20 In <19930419.060948.343@almaden.ibm.com> petrack@vnet.IBM.COM writes: >Some kind soul told me that I could change the serial port buffer size >of Zterm via ResEdit. He did not tell me HOW I could change it using >ResEdit, and I have lost his e-mail address. >Could he or any one else please tell me what to do? >I assume that the relevant resource is zSet, but I do not know, and [chop] Could you please post it to the net too please, as I, and I'm sure many others would like to know. Thanks! Kev. -- Kevin Hayes | ""My opinions do necessarily Dalhousie University | reflect the opinions of Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada | myself; so sue me!"" hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca | " 9323,9,"From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) Subject: Braves ""Stoppers"" Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu The term ""stopper"" is generally used to refer to a pitcher, one who can be counted on to pitch a strong game to keep his team from going on a losing streak. The Braves have plenty of pitchers to fit this description, although right now I'd expect Smoltz or Glavine to take the mantle. What the Braves lack, however, is an offensive stopper, somebody they can look to to bring them out of their hitting slump. There's just no one there. The Braves got rid of their best pure hitter, Lonnie Smith, and only Terry Pendleton on the current roster has ever shown more than a cursory ability to hit. Oh, and another thing that worries me. Ron Gant seems to have slowed down a step. That's scary. A slow Ron Gant doesn't have much going for him. -- @econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke. s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u " 9324,19,"Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analy From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) Distribution: world Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: sandvik@newton.apple.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 00:06:17 GMTLines: 28 Lines: 28 In sandvik@newton.apple.com writes: > In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis > Kriz) wrote: > > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would > > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of > > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on > > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present > > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of > > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there. > > Dennis, I'm astounded. I didn't know you were interested to even > study such filth as alt.sex.stories provide... > > Cheers, > Kent > --- > sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ""Finally, brethern, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things."" Phil. 4:8. More cheers, John Nunnally@acs.Harding.edu " 9325,19,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: The fact of the theory Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 74 In article , adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes: [...stuff deleted...] Andy-- I think we do agree, given your clarification of how we were each using the terms fact and theory. I'll only add that I think perhaps I feel more strongly about separating them, though your usage is quite valid. >Note that the fact of evolution is still a theory. In other words, it >could, theoretically, still be falsified and rejected. But since it's >so predictive, and so consistently supported by evidence, it seems >pointless to explicitly try to falsify it anymore. I'll add here that any falsification or rejection does not in any way reduce its current usefulness. So long as it accurately predicts or describes things we can observe. Not to be a pain in the ass, but is there any reason you don't just say _the theory of evolution_ rather than the _fact of evolution is still a theory_. I'm asking because this whole thread got started because I was bothered by a post that referred to _the fact of evolution_, basically leaving off the phrase _is still a theory_. Without a clarification, like the one you just gave, just saying _the fact of evolution_ has a very different meaning to me. > >[description of atomic theory, and alternative theories of gravity, deleted] >>Both are very useful models that >>have no religious overtones or requirements of faith, unless of course you >>want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly >>the way the theory now formulated talks about it. > >Here is where you fail to make an important distinction. You have >shoehorned the _facts_ of the _existence_ of gravity and atoms and >evolution into one category with the _theories_ which have been >proposed to explain the _mechanisms_. The existence of these things >is so predictive as to be considered fact. The mechanisms, on the >other hand, are still worth discussing. I'm not sure I agree here. Again, it may be because I feel stronger about separating terms. I was trying to say that the _theories_ proposed to explain the _mechanisms_ and the _mechanisms_ themselves are the only realities here. It is the existence of mechanisms, not the things themselves, that are so predictive as to be considered fact (as you would say). There aren't really little planetary particle systems called atoms out there. Or I should say, and more to my original point, it would be a leap of faith to say there are, because we observe only the mechanisms. There is no need to _believe_ there are _actually_ atoms out there as we have decided to think about them. It's enough to discuss the mechanisms. At any rate, I'm not sure I am being any clearer than before, but I thought it was worth a shot. The bottom line, though, is I think we agree on two fundamental ideas: 1. --evolution is a theory supported by observational evidence (my way) --the fact of evolution is a theory supported by observational evidence (your way) 2. --creation is just an opinion. If a theist wants to call it a theory then he can. I won't: it has no supporting evidence and it neither predicts nor supports any observations that can be made. With no mechanisms to talk about, there really isn't much to say. Do you agree? -- jim halat halat@bear.com bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you-- nyc i speak only for myself " 9326,13,"From: bill@scorch.apana.org.au (Bill Dowding) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz Lines: 15 todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: >I think that's the correct spelling.. > I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow >do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking >that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for >sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly >appreciated. Krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic. Or pictures taken by them, perhaps. Bill from oz " 9327,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: are we being hysterical? No! In-Reply-To: amolitor@nmsu.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 17:54:23 GMT Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Distribution: na Lines: 80 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article > tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >> >>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) >> > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >kind of the domino theory? As John Gilmore has pointed out repeatedly, if you produce the infrastructure that would permit a police state to function, all that is required to suddenly find yourself living in one is a change of attitude on the part of the government. Our constitution was built by men who had to risk their lives to ensure freedom in our country. They designed the system to make it difficult for tyranny to arise. For instance, one of the reasons the fourth amendment was put there was to make it harder for the government to try to make smuggling a crime. Think I jest? John Hancock made all his money smuggling rum, which is, after all, a drug. Think about it. The government has everyones keys in escrow, and the FBI gets their pet ""wiretap without leaving the office"" scheme. There is a coup, which happens every day all around the world. Within hours, everyone in the country who might oppose the tyrants is being monitored more closely than ever before possible. Without the tools being in place, a tyranny cannot stand. With tools like this in place, a tyrannical dictatorship could actually be successfully imposed. Why give the government tools with which to enslave you? Maybe you can trust Bill Clinton, but are you willing to tell me that you can trust EVERY government that will ever arise in the U.S. hereafter? I am not willing to make that leap of faith. >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Isn't this just a little melodramatic? I'm a political dissident. As such, I am acutely aware of what happens to political dissidents in most of the world. In most of the world, I could be killed for my beliefs. Call Amnesty International some time to find out what happens to dissidents in most of the world. All that seperates the U.S. from most of those places is a thin piece of parchment in the National Archives thats being constantly more and more eroded by such farces as the war on drugs. Coups have happened in countries that have had stable democracies for over a hundred years. Governments throughout history have fallen. No government has lasted for more than a few hundred years. Often, they are replaced by dictatorships. Do you really believe so intensely that it could never ever ever happen here that you are willing to bet your own life and the lives of your children and other loved ones on it? If we construct the tools with which tyranny could be enforced, we make it orders of magnitude more likely that it could happen, because if it happened with the tools already in place it could actually stick. Naive fools such as our leadership believe they can protect us where hundreds that have gone before have failed. Thriving democracies led by men far more skillfull than Bill Clinton have fallen to dictatorship. Rome had a thriving republic run by exquisitely skilled men before they became a tyranny. I, for one, am unwilling to trust that it could never happen here. Only hubris would allow us to believe we are immune to what has happened elsewhere. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 9328,5,"From: christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) Subject: X11R5 and Gateway2000 Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 15 Hi, I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my graphics card and monitor. I have a 15"" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. Any help will be extremely appreciated. Thanks in advance. Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca Christy " 9329,7,"From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond) Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record? Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr21.053516.28846@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes: > >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) > >writes: > >> > >> > >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. > >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible) > >> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from > >> the same hailstorm yet? > >> > >> Craig > > > > > >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would > >be about $10k. > > I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as > you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body. > > Craig > > > > > >-- > >-- > > John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com > > The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the > > *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that > > everyone *will* be happy. > > There was a Volvo owner that had $3000 dollars worth of improvements to the looks of the car by hail :). " 9330,7,"From: gough@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (brian.w.gough) Subject: 4X4 On/Off-Road Rally - Joliet Il. Organization: AT&T Distribution: chi Keywords: April 25th Lines: 97 ************************************************************ * * * ATTENTION ALL FOUR WHEEL OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS * * * * On/Off Road Rally - Sunday, April 25th * * Joliet Illinois * * * ************************************************************ The Event: * The Joliet Mud Turtles, a Chicago land four wheel drive club, is sponsoring an On/Off Road Rally Sunday April 25th. * For those who ask ""What is an on/off road rally?"", well... An On/Off Road Rally consists of the following: 1. An on-the-road rally where participants are given a set of directions and clues guiding participates around the Joliet/Plainfield area. The object is to navigate a course based on a set of directions and clues. Participants will be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which they must answer along the way. Points are awarded for the number of correct answers given. Directions will ultimately lead to an off-road area where a four-wheel drive course is set-up. At various locations in the on-road course, check-points will be set-up where participants will be asked other questions or requested to perform some activity (e.g. tire roll, truck tow, basketball free-throw, etc.) for additional points. 2. An optional off-road, four wheel drive course where participants will navigate off-road trails, mud bogs and/or hill climbs. Points are awarded for successfully navigating off-road obstacles without getting stuck. If you should get stuck (which is half the fun anyway), there will be assistance to get your vehicle unstuck so you can try it again. The off-road course will divided up based on tire size, so stock 4x4s as well as modified 4x4s can run the course. At the end of the rally, trophies will be awarded to top scoring participants. Door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out. Food and drinks also available at the conclusion. * This is an organized activity sponsored by the Joliet Mud Turtles so safety and fun is our foremost concern. All 4x4s must be street legal and have solid tow points for the off-road section of the course - we don't want to have to separate someone's bumper from their vehicle :) . The Particulars: * Rally begins at Instant Replay, 2409 Plainfield Road, Joliet Il. (815)436-9382 (see map below) * Registration is between 9 and 10:30 a.m. First truck out at 10:00 a.m. * Rally date is Sunday April 25th, rain or shine * There is an entry fee of $10 per truck. * You must have a co-driver (passengers allowed) * A valid drivers license is required * Suggested equipment: CB Radio Compass Tow Strap and Clevis Clip Board and Pencil * No alcohol during rally * For more information contact Gary (815)727-3415 Tom (815)485-9346 Norm Jr. (815)741-4853 Brian (708)979-6083 __ Instant /\ | Replay | | \ | 1.9mi ___ | 1.2 mi | North |<----->| | <------------> | Rt30 | |___| | | ------|--------------------------------------------- Exit | | | ^ 257 | | | | | | | | |Rt55 |Canton |Larkin | | |Farm |Ave | | |Rd. | | 3 mi. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Rt80 | v ---------------------------------------------------- | | Exit | | 130B | | " 9331,2,"From: liuxu@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Xudong Liu) Subject: File downloading Originator: liuxu@cmr1 Nntp-Posting-Host: cmr1 Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 9 As a beginer, I just wonder how to transfer files from the Sun system (which is on the network) to my PC at home (not connected to the network). I tried to use 'COMit' to do so, but it was very slow and it seemed that getting multiple files at the same time was impossible. Could anybody give me some hints & infomation? Thank you in advance. liu " 9332,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: >Huh? > >- Roid On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker? Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 9333,19,"From: V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Richard Hoenes) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Temple University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 In article cjk@netcom.com writes: >This was obviously a lot different than the ordinary FBI adventure. > >I believe that the Federal officers had a conflict of interests here. > >Throught out the whole affair, it seamed to me that they were chiefly >concerned with saving face rather than saving lifes. Its true that >The BD were resisting arrest and that they should have surrendered >when they first realized that these where federal officers. But they >didn`t. I'm not sure what you mean by 'saving face' unless you are confusing the FBI with the BATF who are the ones who were in charge of the original search warrant. >But when they didn`t, the FBI should not have treated as a hostage >situation, it wasn't. > >I think more discussions, possible independant negotiators, and >family intervention should have been used. > Independant Negotiators? What was there to negotiate? Any sort of plea bargin has to be brought to the court, the negotiators can't negotiate charges or sentences. FBI negotitators did make a deal for the Dividians to come out. Koresh showed he was not negotiating in good faith and there is no reason to believe independent negotiators would have done any better. Richard " 9334,4,"Distribution: world From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: Re: Monitor for LCIII Lines: 21 Jeff, I have answers to both of your questions. First, I recommend the Sony CPD-1320 monitor. It is a 14"" Trinitron VGA monitor, but it is designed specifically for use with the LC. It works only with Macs with specific video capabilities which means only the LC's and anything after the ci. All it takes is a MAC<->VGA cable (I recommend one from James Engineering which is about $20). These cost about $335 as compared to the much higher prices of comparable monitors because they are not multisynch. I have used one for half a year and I love it. Second, I have used Syex and found them to be decent. I had a backorder on a Supra modem which I cancelled. They were helpful in explaining the reasons why there were delays and they had Supra's number ready for me. The only complaint was that they did not always return my calls. I have been told that the CPD-1320 is selling for $339 from J&R's (800)221-8180. I think Syex is a little more, but I don't know. -David **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. " 9335,19,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two >contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat >denials. I've never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are >indeed two different accounts of creation. That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of a difficulty with the Bible. ""were formed"" can also be translated ""had been formed"" in chapter two without any problems. So the text does not demand that there are two creation stories. Link Hudson. " 9336,13,"From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) Subject: Re: OCD Summary: Here's the highlights from the DSM-IIIR Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: DWOVAX In article , sharynk@Hawaii.Edu () writes... >I recently heard of a mental disorder called Obsessive Compulsive >Disorder. What is it? What causes it? Could it be caused by a >nervous breakdown? > Obesssive Compulsive Disorder (not to be confused with Obsessive Compulsive _Personality_ Disorder !) is an acute anxiety disorder characterized by either obsessions (persistent intrusive thoughts that cause anxiety when not entertained), or compulsions (repetitive, ritualistic actions that similarly cause intense psychological discomfort when resisted). OCD is often associated with certain forms of depression. Examples of obsessive thoughts are repeated impulses to kill a loved one (though not accompanied by anger), or a religious person having recurrent blasphemous thoughts. Generally, the individual attempts to ignore or suppress the intrusive thoughts by engaging in other activities. The individual realizes that the thoughts originate from the own mind, rather than being from an external source. Examples of compulsive actions are constant repetitive hand washing, or other activity that is not realistically related to alleviating a source of the anxiety. In OCD, the obsessions or compulsions are highly distressing to the individual, take an hour or more per day, and significantly impair their daily routine and social relationships. Treatments include psychotherapy, behavioral methods, and sometimes certain anti-depressants which have recently been found effective in alleviating obsessions and compulsions. The standard diagnostic code for OCD, if you want to look it up in the DSM-III manual of psychiatric diagnosis is 300.30 . kind regards, todd +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Todd I. Stark stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation (215) 354-1273 | | Philadelphia, Pa. USA | | ""(A word is) the skin of a living thought"" Olliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9337,6,"From: dchurch@nmt.edu (Dan Church) Subject: *** Lots of CDs For Sale! *** Article-I.D.: nmt.1993Apr19.213217.15250 Distribution: na Organization: New Mexico Tech Lines: 43 I have a lot of CDs for sale. Prices are $7 per CD and $3 per CD Single. CDs are noted by (CD) and CD Singles by (CDS). Please include $1 extra per CD for s/h costs. IF you want to buy a lot of them, then we'll work out a deal with the shipping costs! Type Group Title --------------------------------------------- CDS Boys to Men Motown Philly CDS C & C Music Factory Keep it Comin' CDS Moby Go (Remixes) CDS Quadrophonia Schizophrenia CDS Swing Out Sister Not Gonna Change CDS Recoil Faith Healer CDS Seal The Beginning CDS Transvision Vamp Tranvision Vamp CDS C & C Music Factory Gonna Make U Sweat CDS Nitzer Ebb Godhead CDS Roxette How Do You Do! CDS B-52's Good Stuff CDS Duran Duran Violence of Summer CDS Nitzer Ebb AS IS CDS Vanessa Williams Running Back to You CD Seal SEAL CD LFO Frequencies CD Morissey Kill Uncle CD Underworld Change the Weather CD Jody Watley You Wanna Dance With Me? CD Dead or Alive Fan the Flame CD Transvision Vamp Velveteen CD Adam Ant Manners & Physique CD Fine Young Cannibals The Raw & the Remix CD Black Box Dreamland CD Civilles & Cole Greatest Remixes Vol. 1 CD Black Box Mixed Up! CD Scorpions The Best of Rockers & Ballads CD A & M Underground Dance Jam Harder -- Dan Church | Quote -> ""Only God can make a tree, but it took a man Box 3268 CS | <- Mail to invent dwarf tossing!"" Socorro, NM 87801 | Email -> dchurch@nmt.edu - E. Hobbs " 9338,13,"From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) Subject: Home Medical Tests Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I am looking for current sources for lists of all the home medical tests currently legally available. I believe this trend of allowing tests at home where feasible, decreased medical costs by a factor of 10 or more and allows the patient some time and privacy to consider the best action from the results of such tests. In fact I believe home medical tests and certain basic tests for serious diseases such as cancer, heart disease, should be offered free to the American public. This could actually help to reduce national medical costs since many would have an earlier opportunity to know about and work toward recuperation or cure. Mike Romano -- Sir, I admit your gen'ral rule That every poet is a fool; But you yourself may serve to show it, That every fool is not a poet. A. Pope " 9339,16,"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: arc@cco.caltech.edu's message of 21 Apr 1993 12:25:23 GMT In <1r3efjINN3jj@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu writes: > Thomas Parsli writes: > >I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... > > In Texas, you cannot carry a handgun. Period. Either concealed or open. Currently, there is a bill before the Texas legislature that would make it legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons. I don't have the details, sorry. semper fi, Jammer Jim Miller Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________ I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. ""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph " 9340,2,"From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: icons gone Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 26 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano) says: >I'm not sure if this is the proper place to post this. > >The icons on Win3.1 Program Manager have all dissapeared and i need to >restore them. The files all seem to be there on the disk and I think there >must be a better way than re installing everything. Thanks for any help! > > Hmmmmm you know this happened to me also. I am not sure what caused it. I think there might have been a system error and dumped windows. I came back and all was well except no groups. Program Manager was EMPTY. All the .grp files were in the directory. I had to remake the groups with the new and group selection. ALL THE ICONS AND FILES INSIDE THE GROUPS WERE STILL THERE AND WORKING FINE. Just the groups had gone out of program manager. Strange !!!! C-ya..... /\/\artin -- This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson ========================================================================= ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS " 9341,10,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr20.124012.3383@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes: >>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at >>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and >>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do >>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play >Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow >the Devils, anyway? Jeez.... Sigh. This was written about the game NHLPA Hockey '93. Which does not have precise up-to-date rosters. Why don't people think before they post? Jeez... -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 9342,9,"From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) Subject: Rockies 2-5, two more errors, 6 more walks Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 36 Name Pos AB H 2B 3B HR RBI RS SB E AVG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Boston OF 12 7 2 6 .583 Galarraga 1B 28 13 3 1 9 2 .464 Tatum 3B 5 2 1 .400 Cole CF 24 9 1 2 8 2 .375 E. Young 2B 28 9 1 1 1 5 10 5 3 .321 Hayes 3B 25 7 1 2 5 2 1 2 .280 Murphy OF 4 1 1 .250 Bichette RF 21 5 1 5 3 1 .238 Clark LF 24 5 2 2 1 .208 Girardi C 25 5 1 1 3 2 .200 Castilla SS 6 1 1 .167 Benavides SS 18 1 2 1 4 .056 G. Young OF 1 1 .000 PITCHERS P 12 .000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Totals 233 65 9 3 5 34 37 9 11 .279 Name L/R IP H R ER K BB ERA W L S ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne L 2.7 3 0 0 3 2 0.00 0 0 0 Aldred L 5 4 3 1 1 6 1.80 0 0 0 Smith R 12.3 15 3 3 2 3 2.19 1 1 0 Ashby R 5 6 2 2 3 5 3.60 0 0 0 Neid R 12 15 6 6 5 8 4.50 1 1 0 Parrett R 5.7 7 3 3 7 3 4.76 0 0 0 Blair R 5.3 7 5 3 2 3 5.06 0 0 0 Henry L 6 9 6 5 4 1 7.50 0 1 0 Ruffin L 3 7 6 5 3 4 15.00 0 1 0 Reed R 2.7 7 7 7 1 3 23.63 0 0 0 Holmes R 1.3 6 10 9 1 4 60.75 0 1 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Totals 61 86 51 44 32 42 6.49 2 5 0 " 9343,11,"From: jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: debra.dgbt.doc.ca Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa Distribution: na Lines: 58 In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the >Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the >civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist >- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's >another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the >communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is >(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course, >explaining them how much better the situation is now... > >In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and >fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already >too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been >violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of >this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad... As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this-> aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. (Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) ) GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world where a person can complain without getting shot at. People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: 1) What have they done right? 2) How much worse can it get? And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. But let's not overreact! > >Regards, >Vesselin >-- >Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg >Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN >< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C >e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany -- Jerry Han-CRC-DOC-Div. of Behavioural Research-""jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca"" ///////////// These are my opinions, and my opinions only. \\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\ A proud and frozen member of the Mighty Warriors Band //////// ""Memories of those I've left behind, still ringing in my ears.""-Genesis- " 9344,11,"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr15.160415.8559@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: >I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? >e.g. The police couldn't demand that you silently take them to where the >body is buried or where the money is hidden. But they can make you piss in a jar, and possibly provide DNA, semen, and hair samples or to undergo tests for gunpowder residues on your hand. (BTW, that was why the chemical engineer arrested in the WTC explosion thrust his hands into a toilet filled with urine as the cops were breaking down the door -- the nitrogen in the urine would mask any residue from explosives. I found it interesting the news reported his acts, but not his reasons). Somewhere, perhaps a privacy group, they discussed the legal ramifications of using a password like I shot Jimmy Hoffa and his body is in a storage locker in Camden a while back. The impression I got was that real judges would dismiss arguments that this password is self-incrimination as first-year law school sophistry -- the fact that you use a statement for a password has no bearing on the veracity of that phrase. You are not being asked to incrimidate yourself (e.g., ""where did you bury the body?""); you are being asked to provide information necessary to execute a legal search warrant. Refusing to provide the password is akin to refusing to provide a key to a storage locker... except that they could always _force_ their way into the locker. Of course, that doesn't mean you have to help them _understand_ what they find, or point out things they overlooked in their search! -- Bear Giles bear@fsl.noaa.gov " 9345,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Golden & Space ages X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 17 Pat sez; >Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years >the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years, >reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic, >swashbuckling daredevils, ""those daring young men in their flying >machines"". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely >occurence, and the environment blew. Yeah, but a windscreen cut down most of it. Canopies ended it completely. Of course, the environment in space continues to suck :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9346,10,"From: scialdone@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Scialdone) Subject: CUT Vukota and Pilon!!! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 32 I have been to all 3 Isles/Caps tilts at the Crap Centre this year, all Isles wins and there is no justification for Vukota and Pilon to play for the Isles. Vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world!! He couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a banjo!! Al must remember a few years back when Mick scored 3 goals in one period against the Caps in a 5-3 Isles win. I was there and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd. Wake-up Al!!! Years later he's gotten worse. He's a cheap shot artist and always ends up getting stupid/senseless penalties. I think he would make a good police officier!!! As for Pilon, he can't carry the puck out to center ice by himself. He either makes a bad pass resulting in a turnover, or he attempts to bring the puck towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater. He can't stay on his skates with most forwards or centers. He either falls down or committs a penalty. Call up somebody from Capital District AL!!!!! As far as the playoffs, the Isles are as difficult to figure out as the Caps. Two good teams with talent but so inconsistent. They should meet in the first round. The Isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they should play well against Jersey tonite. It'll probably be another tight 1-goal game as the last 20 games hve been for the Isles. I wish when the get a lead they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into a defensive shell and letting the opposition get back in the game. Al MUST understand he can't do with this team what he did with the 80-83 Isles. maybe Al should got to. Where is Bobby Nystrom?? Clark Gilles?? John Tonelli?? These are the kind of young minds we need behing the bench!! FIRE AL!!!! John Scialdone SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV **********When your ship comes in, first man takes the Sail******************** " 9347,14,"Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) t> <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu><1pnuke$idn@access.digex.net> Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. In-Reply-To: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT Lines: 64 On Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT, pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) said: Phil> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >On 4 Apr 1993 20:31:10 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said: >Pat> In article <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu> Pat> >nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Question is can someone give me 10 >examples of direct NASA/Space related >research that helped humanity >in general? It will be interesting to see.. >Pat> TANG :-) Mylar I think. I think they also pushed Hi Tech Pat> >Composites for airframes. Look at Fly by Wire. >Swept wings--if you fly in airliners you've reaped the benefits. Phil> Didn't one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think Phil> the germans did some work on these in WWII. The NACA came up with them before World War II. NASA is directly descended from the NACA, with space added in. You'll notice that I didn't mention sweep wings even though the X-5, tested at what's now Dryden, had them. We did steal that one dirctly from the Germans. The difference is that swept wings don't change their angle of sweep, sweep wings do. Perhaps the similarity of names has caused some confusion? 747s have swept wings, F-111s have sweep wings. >Winglets. Area ruling. Digital fly by wire. Ride smoothing. Phil> A lot of this was also done by the military... After NASA aerodynamicists proposed them and NASA test teams demonstrated them. Richard Whitcomb and R.T. Jones, at Langley Research Center, were giants in the field. Dryden was involved in the flight testing of winglets and area ruling (in the 70s and 50s, respectively). It's true that we used military aircraft as the testbeds (KC-135 and YF-102) but that had more to do with availability and need than with military involvement. The YF-102 was completely ours and the KC-135 was bailed to us. The Air Force, of course, was interested in our results and supportive of our efforts. Dryden flew the first digital fly by wire aircraft in the 70s. No mechnaical or analog backup, to show you how confident we were. General Dynamics decided to make the F-16 flyby-wire when they saw how successful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.) Phil> Egad! I'm disagreeing with Mary Shafer! The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base can't do. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot " 9348,14,"From: khayash@hsc.usc.edu (Ken Hayashida) Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu In article <1993Apr26.184507.10511@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >I know it's only wishful thinking, with our current President, >but this is from last fall: > > ""Is there life on Mars? Maybe not now. But there will be."" > -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator, 24 August 1992 > >-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office > kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 Lets hear it for Dan Goldin...now if he can only convince the rest of our federal government that the space program is a worth while investment! I hope that I will live to see the day we walk on Mars, but we need to address the technical hurdles first! If there's sufficient interest, maybe we should consider starting a sci.space group devoted to the technical analysis of long-duration human spaceflight. Most of you regulars know that I'm interested in starting this analysis as soon as possible. Ken khayash@hsc.usc.edu USC School of Medicine, Class of 1994 " 9349,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: | |Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such |a nice boy at RCR I too. And Noemi makes me think of ""cuddle"", not ""KotL"". Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""We're bad-t-the-bone! 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | Bad-t-the-bone!"" 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | -- Universally feared AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | Denizen warcry. " 9350,0,"Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr3.214741.14026@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > > My claim is that a person that committs a crime doesn't believe in > God, for the moment that the crime is committed, at least, whether > they are originally believers or not. To believe is to do good. > Your statistics indicate people that have declared atheism. And doubtless, when an atheist does an act of charity they temporarily become a Baptist. jon. " 9351,11,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.085358.18460@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: >""Your honour, the suspect suddenly started using another level of >cryptography and we can't tap his phone calls any more. He must >have something to hide. Please sign the warrant to search his >house..."" What they would need to do, though, is make sure that nobody has access to decent crypto in the first place. They probably can't tell Clippered voice from Clippered triple-DESed voice until they get their copy of your key. Any criminal who's going to use encryption will do it under cover of Clipper. The only way to avoid this will be to try to prohibit strong encryption. I probably shouldn't say this, but they could try to detect the use of an illegal cypher by transmitting in the clear some statistical properties of the plaintext. An old-fashioned wiretap could then detect the use of pre-encryption, which would drastically increase the measured entropy of the input. A countermeasure to this would be to use steganographic techniques which put out voice. You can tell if the NSA built this feature in: blow on the mike, and observe whether a band of thugs comes through your ceiling. PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu " 9352,3,"From: smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 92 In article <1993Apr12.171250.486@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >In article erc@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: >> >>SCSI is better because it has a better future, and it has a lot of >>minor advantages right now. IDE cards are cheaper right now, but will >>be obsolete in a few years. (In fact, IDE cards are so cheap, they >>might as well be free. The real cost is in the IDE drives.) SCSI >>cards cost more, but they are worth it. > >I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Maybe my workstation doesn't understand what your vesa local bus IDE is Vesa local bus will be killed off by pcmi? whatever intels spec is. VLBUS it not good for much more than vga cards. To each his own. I'll laugh when you start crying over how much you spent for your 2 little ide drives and then finding out you need more space. > >>The biggest advantage of SCSI right now is that you can add more >>different kinds of devices, such as tapes, etc., easily, and can add >>bigger disks. The best and most cost effective hard disks available >>are SCSI. Here Here.... > >Only of you need drives larger then 500 meg. Oh yes, gotta have 10 megs/sec >transfer rate for those speedy tape backups and cd rom drives. don't stick your foot in your mouth when you make a statement you know nothing about. I'd rather wait a second compared to the 5 minutes and ide would take. (obviously exaggerated). Have you ever tried to backup 2 gigs of disk? Oh I forgot you can't because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. > >Basically, if a person *has* to ask which one is better for him/her, >then they will *probably* never see the EXPENSIVE benefits from SCSI. I guess you probably bought a 486sx too > >Also, all this arm-waving about SCSI expandability is a moot point if >the user only has one or two drives on it. And with SCSI those two >drives *may* be fast, but that speed is only due to the onboard memory >cache -> something I can duplicate with a caching IDE controller. What? The SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE spec has much more bandwidth than any stupid vlbus ide crap.... Stop this thread now, Its just cluttering up bandwidth. If you want to read about scsi vs ide just pay a visit to you local usenet archive. the best SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE,etc is clearly faster than any the best ide drive. All the response given are based upon personal experience with 1 or 2 drives. You can't judge such completely different interfaces. IDE has the low cost adavantage + a descent performance. SCSI has the ability for super high capacity expandibility and speed. neither one is better in all cases. If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa busmastering cards. send flames to /dev/null..... -- ********************************************************************* * Scott Mace internet: smace@nyx.cs.du.edu * * emace@tenet.edu * ********************************************************************* " 9353,16,"From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Lines: 16 In article <1qc5sa$obl@pandora.sdsu.edu>, chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes: } A note on the lighter side, I've noticed most gun-banners (some of my } friends included) are the one who make comments that indicate they are } more likely to resort to violent. So are they really banning guns so they } wouldn't end up shooting someone else? Could be. It is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to violence, they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react otherwise. -- David Olson dlo@drutx.att.com ""Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can. But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out."" -- George Stephanopolous. " 9354,8,"From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 13 mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not* mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful... Sure. You don't miss what you never had. Those poor sods don't know what they're missing. I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike? Mr. Bill -- + Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX ""White Lightning"", '82 GS850G ""Suzibago"" + + leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 ""Little Honda"", '68 Lone Star ""Sick Leave"" + + DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible ""The Incredible Hulk"", others + + ""Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!"" Michael Bain, #757 + " 9355,1,"Subject: .GL and .FLI specs From: arthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung) Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA Lines: 6 Can somebody point out to me where I can find the specs for .GL and .FLI files found on PC's? ------------------------------ arthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung) or qed!arthur The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327 " 9356,1,"From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) Subject: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books: o PEXLIB Programming Manual o PHIGS Programming Manual Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386 running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure. Thanks, AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alexander-James Annala Principal Investigator Neuroscience Image Analysis Network HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor University of Southern California University Park Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 9357,8,"From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year Keywords: congratz Article-I.D.: myrddin.C52EIp.71x Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: > >Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the >Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity >to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended >that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function >provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the >gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the >rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers >have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the >CBR900RR and the GTS1000A. When I'm riding my 900RR, my goodies are already up against the tank, because the design of the Corbin seat tends to move you forward. Wouldn't the major danger to one's cajones be due to accelerating into and then being stopped by the tank? If you're already there, there wouldn't be an impact problem, would there? - Michael - -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | | Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9358,0,"Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 28 In article <115621@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.135650.28926@st-andrews.ac.uk> nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) writes: > >>I don't think you're right about Germany. My daughter was born there and >>I don't think she has any German rights eg to vote or live there (beyond the >>rights of all EC citizens). She is a British citizen by virtue of >>her parentage, but that's not ""full"" citizenship. For example, I don't think >>her children could be British by virtue of her in the same way. > > I am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an > application for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but > I am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable > in this case. Nope, Germany has extremely restrictive citizenship laws. The ethnic Germans who have lived in Russia for over 100 years automatically become citizens if they move to Germany, but the Turks who are now in their third generation in Germany can't. It's not a very good example to show citizenship without descent. Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ""Lastly, I come to China in the hope | ""All you touch and all you see | | of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be."" | | dropping acid on the Great Wall."" --Duke | --Pink Floyd | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9359,2,"From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: Is it possible ? Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 Hello. Is it possible to know minimize program manager when starting an application and to restore it when the application is ended ? If possible, please tell me how to do it ! -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw " 9360,14,"From: gawne@stsci.edu Subject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!) Distribution: na Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Lines: 42 In article , victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: > Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan? > > All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at > drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's > orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info. The sightings were apparently spurious. There is no planet inside of the orbit of Mercury. The idea of Vulcan came from the differences between Mercury's observed perihelion precession and the value it should have had according to Newtonian physics. Leverrier made an extensive set of observations and calculations during the mid 19th century, and Simon Newcombe later improved on the observations and re-calculated using Leverrier's system of equations. Now Leverrier was one of the co-discoverers of Neptune and since he had predicted its existence based on anomalies in the orbit of Uranus his inclination was to believe the same sort of thing was afoot with Mercury. But alas, 'twere not so. Mercury's perihelion precesses at the rate it does because the space where it resides near the sun is significantly curved due to the sun's mass. This explanation had to wait until 1915 and Albert Einstein's synthesis of his earlier theory of the electrodynamics of moving bodies (commonly called Special Relativity) with Reimanian geometry. The result was the General Theory of Relativity, and one of it's most noteworthy strengths is that it accounts for the precession of Mercury's perihelion almost exactly. (Exactly if you use Newcomb's numbers rather than Leverrier's.) Of course not everybody believes Einstein, and that's fine. But subsequent efforts to find any planets closer to the sun than Mercury using radar have been fruitless. -Bill Gawne ""Forgive him, he is a barbarian, who thinks the customs of his tribe are the laws of the universe."" - G. J. Caesar Any opinions are my own. Nothing in this post constitutes an official statement from any person or organization. " 9361,8,"From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last Organization: British Telecom X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 23 Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: : Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another newbie bites the dust, eh? They'll learn. Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag. Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm, wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I assumed you were serious. Mea culpa. Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young pky@fmg.bt.co.uk Phone +44 473 227151 ""Most people prefer entertaining nonsense to unexciting reality"" " 9362,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 66 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? > >While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, ""fete""??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to positive/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling. >they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto >and attempt to starve the Gazans. I certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are abusive towards the Palestinians/Gazans. Given that, however, there *is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in Gaza. > >The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is >recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of >justice. Just as international law recognizes the right of the occupying entity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements that are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure. Ironically, international law recognizes each of these focusses (that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are inherently in conflict. > >As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible >with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming >Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for >self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish >society does not consider Gazans full human beings. Israel certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present policies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third alternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish ""dhimmi"" system with Gazans/Palestinians as benignly ""protected"" citizens. Would you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with regard to Islam's policies towards its minorities? >Whether they have some Final Solution up their sleeve ? It is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian/Gazan ""Final Solution"" and the Arab World's anti-Israel/jewish ""Final Solution"". Do you favor one? neither? > >I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever >they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and >political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. Since there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel and Arab/Palestinian ""final solution"" intentions exist, isn't it important that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian/Gazan ""rights"" be secured? > >Elias Davidsson Iceland > -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 " 9363,10,"From: shadow@r-node.hub.org (Jay Chu) Subject: Lindros will be traded!!! Organization: Lindros traded! Summary: Babe Lindros going to Ottawa! Lines: 14 True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from Montreal. Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. -- ______ shadow@r-node.gts.org | |__| | If it's there and you can see it - it's real | () | If it's there and you can't see it - it's transparent |______| If it's not there and you can't see it - you erased it! " 9364,4,"From: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander) Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted Organization: Cornell Theory Center Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: theory.tc.cornell.edu In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes: >If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical Huh? If I buy a 128M optical, I might lose my friends? Why - do they smell bad? :-) >and stop worrying about cartridge wear (Bernoulli) or crashes (SyQuest) On a serious note, I have heard the tales about SyQuest failures. But I am curious about Jon's comments on cartridge wear for the the Bernoullis. Can someone elaborate? Is there a general consensus that the 128M opticals are the most reliable? I am mostly concerned about media failures, as opposed to drive mechanism failures. -- Julian Vrieslander Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 INTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu BITNET: eacj@crnlthry UUCP: ..cornell!batcomputer!eacj " 9365,15,"From: bohja@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: WITCHES AND WICCAN: your opinion Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 19 I am a student at UW-Eau Claire. I am doing a paper an witches and wanted to get your point of view. I will not use you name unless you specifically tell me to do so. Please answer this question: As a Christian, are you offended by witches and Wiccan? Do you feel that tehy are pagan in the evil sense of the word? You time and cooperation is appreciated. Thanks, J. -This survey is being conducted in partial fulfillment of the course requirements for Engl 201, taught by Karen Welch at the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire. This course is in compliance with the course certification requirements of the University Institutional Review Board for the PRotection of Human Subjects. [but is it in compliance with any reasonable method for choosing samples??? --clh] " 9366,2,"From: htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Tanabe) Subject: terminal software Article-I.D.: ponder.htanabe.734110579 Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 10 Please reply via EMail... When I use the terminal software for Windows such as TERMINAL.EXE or Crossttalk, it doesn't use the whole window. I mean, when the software's window size is max, it still scrolls around the 2/3 of window. It does not use whole window. I set ""stty rows 30"", but still the same. Scrolls at 2/3 from the top of the windows. Could anyone tell me how to setup these software to use whole window? Thanks in advance. " 9367,8,"From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: microb0.biostat.washington.edu In article nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: >From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) >Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:54:34 GMT >The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to >the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was >driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I >calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the >window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). >Did I do the right thing? It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and collected, and try something like, ""You almost just killed me, and I'm not moving until you apologize."" or something more or less benign like that. I haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only do it when there are plenty of witnesses around. Steve __________________________________________________________________________ Steve L. Moseley moseley@u.washington.edu Microbiology SC-42 Phone: (206) 543-2820 University of Washington FAX: (206) 543-8297 Seattle, WA 98195 " 9368,15,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 86 In article clh writes: >Re: Are you Christian or Pauline? >Both. Sure, why not? But, are you using Paul to correct the words of Jesus? >There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is >not, at least not in this case. Jesus did not deal explicitly with >the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles. ""So *anyone* who dissolves even one of the smallest commands and teaches others the same way, will be known as the lowest in the kingdom of the skies; whereas *anyone* who keeps the commands and teaches them too, will be known as *someone* great in the kingdom of the skies."" Mat5:19 (Gaus) Are you an ""anyone"" or are you a ""no one?"" Why not assume, that since Jesus didn't say that his words apply only to Jews, that they apply to all human beings, irregardless of race or sex? Why not assume, that even though Jesus did not mention your name, still Jesus was talking directly to you? >That's why I >have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion. >As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies >of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't >come up with at the moment. Both authors are Jews. Also, various >Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in >other newsgroups. >Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid. It does not say that >it applies to Gentiles. Does it say that it applies to *you*? Are you anyone or no one? >And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the >Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're >looking at the obligations of Gentiles. Ex20:8-11(JPS) Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; you shall not do any work - you, your son or daughter, your male or female slave, or your cattle, or the stranger who is within your settlements. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth and sea, and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hollowed it. Note: There is no specific requirement for worship here, however I for one would not be so bold as to call these verses a ""ceremonial detail."" >Similarly circumcision. Don't many Christians still practice circumcision? >I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject. Again, it's >unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly. It's unfortunate that Jesus didn't use your name directly, or maybe Jesus did? Are you somebody or nobody? >However we >do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus >dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt >with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15 >more than Paul). Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see >that there's a big problem. If you don't see a problem, then perhaps there is none. As Paul closes Romans 14 (Gaus): In short, pursue the ends of peace and of building each other up. Don't let dietary considerations undo the work of God. Everything may be clean, but it's evil for the person who eats it in an offensive spirit. Better not to eat the meat or drink the wine or whatever else your brother is offended by. As for the faith that you have, keep that between yourself and God. The person is in luck who doesn't condemn himself for what he samples. On the other hand, the person with doubts about something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on his faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin. [As far as I know, Christians (except specific Jewish Christian groups, and maybe some of the sabbatarians -- both of which are very small groups) do not practice circumcision on religious grounds. In some countries it has been done for supposed health reasons, but I've not heard it argued that it is being done because of the Biblical commandment. --clh] " 9369,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.195022.6362 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr6.155743.18798@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't >>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball >>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, >>that is). > >MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to >defect first. > >Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey >players, until the political situation in those countries changed. > Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name) ...Canada does not have the restrictions against Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the Blue Jays would do this. Cubans players would not have to defect to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos and Blue Jays without any trouble. Gerald " 9370,16,"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli Subject: Re: Change of name ?? In-Reply-To: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)'s message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:54:51 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <93864@hydra.gatech.EDU> Lines: 37 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no How we survived ww2: We mailed postings about things we didn't know any thing about to ONLY the wrong places. I'm NOT trying to censor this or any newsgroup, I'm just trying to give some hints about OTHER newsgroups. Doesn't this belong to alt.conspiracy ?? NOTE!!! My posting was in reply to those about FBI torching the plasce after filling it with napalm, and arrested people dissapering. >We all know what a quisling is, right? Obviously we don't..... Vidkun Quisling is known to be a traitor in Norway, not a 'censor'. If I have betrayed my country (Norway) bescause I implied that som of you jumped to conclusions/sound a little paranoid then I think there is a LOT of quislings in Norway....... About Waco It looks to me as the BATF and FBI can't handle situations like this. The way it went reminds me of 'stun' bomb beeing dropped on a house in LA from a helicopter. (Whole block went up in flames, 5 died...) It doesn't HAVE to be a conspiracy, MAYBE they just screwed up ??? This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no " 9371,12,"From: LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu Subject: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode? Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Distribution: usa Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons -- mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right' way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let me know?) I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post, but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think .. thanx everyone! lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu " 9372,1,"From: glp@phillson.cray.com (Gordon Phillips) Subject: Lyon lamb minivas-2 control of abekas A66 Originator: glp@phillson Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: phillson.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. We have a minivas-2 and we want to record to an Abekas A66. We have most of the functions working but when we go to set up a record the minivas hangs. We are sending the abekas SMPTE time code. Does anyone have code we can compare to what we have done and is there and ftp site for minivas and abekas code. Gordon Phillips glp@cray.com -- Gordon Phillips - glp@cray.com " 9373,1,From: sp1marse@lina (Marco Seirio) Subject: Surface intersections Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces. Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe even C source?? Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s 9374,5,"From: andreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Dunker) Subject: mail Organization: University of Hannover, FRG X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12 Hello networld, I'm looking for an X mailreader. Is there a Xelm? Andreas -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Andreas Dunker andreas@appel012.hydromech.uni-hannover.de We all live in a yellow subroutine andreas@veeble.han.de The Beatles " 9375,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 141 In article shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) writes: >: Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? >: You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they >: exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? > >Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth >investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in . Then don't complain (maybe it wasn't you) that SCSI was so expensive on PC's because all we've had until a year or two ago was the ISA bus. (ie no one buys SCSI for ISA because ISA is slow) Are you saying that SCSI on an ISA bus is not an automatic winner when compared to IDE? >You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism >as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's >interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not. I get different transfer rates out of my IDE when I change my ISA bus speed. >On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If >IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file >servers? IDE is just a variant of the old IBM- MFM AT controller. (at least that's how it looks from a software point of view). It was never meant to be an all-encompassing protocal/standard to be implimented across different platforms. Is there any argument that IDE can (or can't) transfer data from the IDE drive at least as fast as the drive is able to provide the data? Are SCSI versions of IDE drives able to deliver higher sustained transfer rates to their SCSI interface (because of a higher RPM platter, different arrangement of heads, etc?)? >: Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive >: controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do >: at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence? >: What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? > >No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives >at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly. If data is going from one drive to another, and if SCSI has the ability to perform that transfer without the data having to go through the CPU or main memory, then yes, that is the optimal way to do it. As far as I know, IDE can't do that. But when the CPU wants data from both drives (data to be stored in main memory) are you saying that SCSI can grab data from both drives at the same time *and* store/transfer that data to main memory also at the same time? Working off 1 IRQ and 1 DMA channel on an ISA (or whatever) bus? >I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I >haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245 million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers? >No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because >nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read: >easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or >Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice. So you're saying that SCSI would have been the default interface type, considering that the vast majority of PC's don't have cd-rom drives or tape backups or etc? That most PC's only have (or had) 1 hard drive and run DOS? That SCSI hard drives cost a lot more than MFM or RLL drives at the time? (and how common were SCSI drives under 80 megs 4 to 10 years ago?) There's a lot more than the lack of a common interface card that prevented SCSI from becoming the connection medium of choice. >: I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented >: data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better >: (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when >: managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. > >On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. But on that point, is it faster? This is what all this is about. Do you get more performance for the money. For all the people that will only have a single hard drive in their system (regardless of the OS) will the SCSI choice really give them more performance than IDE? >But, you bought your PC for >expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. True, but expandibility can also start on the bus, which means the option is there for cd-rom drives or tape backups that run off their own cards. > 1. You can add many different types of devices and access them > concurrently. No argument. This is always held up to the first time SCSI buyer as the best reason. But how many SCSI devices will the first time SCSI buyer eventually acquire? Again does it make sense to go SCSI for a single hard drive system? > 2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac > and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice > with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go) With all the postings on the SCSI I or II specs, are you really sure that PC and Apple SCSI hard drives are compatible? And even if they are, is the data accessible from either machine (ie are there no formatting/ partitioning or file table differences?) Is it really plug'n'play? > 3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For > instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor > 212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will > work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the > termination, plug it in, and away it goes. So the C: drive on the connor becomes a logical D: drive to DOS. Is this really a problem? > 4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that > the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is > quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c: > to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very > noticable, as many things can be going on at once. After having two IDE drives in my system for temporary file transfers, I have never seen any differences when switching between drives, nor have I ever seen any differences when transfering files between drives or to/from the same drive. >One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the >ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with >little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've >added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to >have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive >all on the same card. That is nice (as long as the power supply can keep up). I do believe that there is the possibility for up to 4 IDE drives on a PC. >Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out. But what about ""mysterious"" (and expensive) drivers to figure out? At least IDE doesn't require drivers that consume precious conventional (DOS) memory. " 9376,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 88 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: HST News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Ed Campion Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 23, 1993 (Phone: 202/358-1780) Kyle Herring Johnson Space Center, Houston (Phone: 713/483-5111) RELEASE: 93-76 HUBBLE TELESCOPE SERVICING MISSION SCHEDULED FOR ELEVEN DAYS The December flight of Endeavour on Space Shuttle mission STS-61 to service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) has been scheduled as an 11 day mission designed to accommodate a record five spacewalks with the capability for an additional two, if needed. The decision to schedule five extravehicular activities, or EVAs, was reached following extensive evaluations of underwater training, maneuver times required using the Shuttle's robot arm based on software simulations and actual EVA tasks on previous missions. ""Basically what we've done by going to five EVAs rather than three is to repackage our margin so that we have the capability to respond to the dynamics, or unknowns, of spacewalks,"" Mission Director Randy Brinkley said. ""It improves the probabilities for mission success while providing added flexibility and adaptability for reacting to real-time situations."" In laying out the specific tasks to be completed on each of the spacewalks, officials have determined that changing out the gyros, solar arrays and the Wide Field/Planetary Camera (WF/PC) and installing the Corrective Optics Space Telescope Axial Replacement (COSTAR) are priority objectives during the mission. ""When we looked at accomplishing all of the tasks, highest through lowest priority, and recognizing that the major tasks -- gyros, solar arrays, WF/PC and COSTAR -- would consume most of the time set aside for each spacewalk, five EVAs were deemed appropriate,"" said Milt Heflin, Lead Flight Director for the mission. While the five spacewalks will be unprecedented, the use of two alternating spacewalk teams will alleviate placing more stress on the crew than previous missions requiring two, three or four EVAs. ""We have paid close attention to lessons learned during previous spacewalks and factored these into our timeline estimates for five EVAs,"" Heflin said. ""In planning for all Space Shuttle missions, it is necessary to formulate a work schedule that represents as realistic a timeline as possible to accomplish the mission objectives."" Planning currently calls for at least five water tank training sessions that include support from the Mission Control Center, called joint integrated simulations, lasting between 10 and 36 hours. In addition, many stand alone underwater training ""runs"" will practice individual tasks in each spacewalk. Various refinements to the specific tasks on each spacewalk will be made based on actual training experience during the months prior to the mission. Also, lessons learned from other spacewalks leading up to the flight will be valuable in assisting the STS-61 crew in its training techniques. Endeavour's June flight and Discovery's July mission both will include spacewalks to evaluate some of the unique tools to be used on the HST mission. The evaluations will help in better understanding the differences between the actual weightlessness of space and the ground training in the water tanks at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, and the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala. Also, the inflight spacewalking experiences will assist in gaining further insight into the time required for the various tasks and expand the experience levels among the astronaut corps, the flight controllers and trainers. Designed to be serviced by a Space Shuttle crew, Hubble was built with grapple fixtures and handholds to assist in the capture and repair procedures. The telescope was launched aboard Discovery in April 1990. At that time the NASA mixed fleet manifest showed the first revisit mission to HST in 1993 to change out science instruments and make any repairs that may have become necessary. - end - ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 9377,0,"Subject: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations) From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Lines: 55 In article <2942949719.2.p00261@psilink.com>, ""Robert Knowles"" writes: >>DATE: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:02:22 -0500 >>FROM: Nanci Ann Miller >> >> >>> > 3. Can god uncreate itself? >>> >>> No. For if He did, He would violate His own nature which He cannot do. >>> It is God's nature to Exist. He is, after all, the ""I AM"" which is >>> a statement of His inherent Existence. He is existence itself. >>> Existence cannot ""not-exist"". >> >>Then, as mentioned above, he must not be very omnipotent. >> What do you mean by omnipotent here? Do you mean by ""omnipotent"" that God should be able to do anything/everything? This creates a self-contradictory definition of omnipotence which is effectively useless. To be descriptive, omnipotence must mean ""being all-powerful"" and not ""being able to do anything/everything"". Let me illustrate by analogy. Suppose the United States were the only nuclear power on earth. Suppose further that the US military could not effectively be countered by any nation or group of nations. The US has the power to go into any country at any time for any reason to straighten things out as the leaders of the US see fit. The US would be militarily ""omnipotent"". But suppose further that the US holds to a doctrine/philosophy of not interfering in the internal affairs of any nation, such as the current civil war in the former Yugoslavian states. Technically (in this scenario) the US would have the power to unilaterally go into Yugoslavia and straighten out the mess. But effectively the US could not intervene without violating its own policy of non-interference. If the policy of non-interference were held to strongly enough, then there would never be a question that it would ever be violated. Effectively, the US would be limited in what it could actually do, although it had the power to do ""whatever it wanted"". The US would simply ""never want to interfere"" for such an idea would be beyond the consideration of its leaders given such an inviolate non-interference policy. God is effectively limited in the same sense. He is all powerful, but He cannot use His power in a way that would violate the essence of what He, Himself is. I hope this helps to clear up some of the misunderstanding concerning omnipotence. Regards, Jim B. " 9378,16,"From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Subject: Clipper Chip Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I thought that the Clipper Chip that was posted to t.p.g (sorry, I lost the original post) was a joke. I really did. I didn't believe it for a second. But on the way to work this morning, I heard about it on NPR. This scares me almost as much as the doublespeak emanating from the FBI and BATF in Waco. *** Paul Eric Stoufflet *** Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center *** internet: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu *** All opinions are my own " 9379,10,"From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) Subject: Sad day for hockey Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: ick X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 ee0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (""Ethan Z. Evans"") writes: : : Of course, penalties will have to be changed: : : Roughing: Chauvanistic Males Being Aggressive : Slashing: Chauvanistic Males Venting Frustration : Fighting: Proof That Males Cannot Cope With Their Feelings : NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should only be three penalties: 1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. 2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you are thrown out of the game, and fined. 3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in the act of shooting when the foul ocured. This works well for several reasons. First, penalty shots are the most exciting thing in hockey, right? So, it follows that the more the better. Next, when the player is setting up for a penalty shot, the network can take a commercial. Finally, with only three penalties, the network announcers (Don Meredith, Dick Vitale, John Madden, Pat Summerall, and Marv Levy, among others) will be able to tell the viewers what happened before the PA announcer says it. Oh, one other rule. When a goal is scored (10-20 times a period), the play cannot resume until the PA announcer announces it. This way, the network can sneak in a few more commercials. Then, once the PA announcer has told them who scored, the TV announcer can tell you the viewer, and even have a chance of pronouncing his name right. Seriously, though, I actually went to see a NBA basketball game last week, for the first time in my life. I was amazed how boring it was. The play is so slow they actually had fans come out for things like free-throw shooting contests DURING THE PERIOD!. Of course the 'Laker Girls' get to do their routines at least 6-8 times during the game, and not just between periods either. There is a whistle every 30 seconds on average, maybe less. The game is 48 minutes, with 2 minutes between quarters 1-2 and 3-4 and a 10 minute halftime, and it still takes over 2 hours. The reason for this has to be TV. There is plenty of room to throw in commercials, and have the announcer jabber while nothing else is happening. On TV, basketball is fairly entertaining, IMHO. But, it is better to watch it on TV than to be there. If this is the road the NHL is following, then it truly is a sad day. Enough for now. dvb " 9380,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Hilter and homosexuals Article-I.D.: optilink.15225 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 21 In article , erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: > gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: # # #Are you saying that: # # #(1) People voted for Hitler, and he became Reich Chancellor, in good # #part because he used bully boys to attack communists, # # Hitler did not become become Reich Chancellor because people voted for # him. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not, but I just thought # I'd bring that up. # # Eric Smith Hitler became Chancellor because people voted for his political party. That's not a huge difference in a parliamentary system. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 9381,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 21 > >Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, >then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect > (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine > wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday, >and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak >from expierence!) >I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you >comparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a a couple of things: blowing a hose doesn't speak of engine reliability, and while it is true that quad4's have a problem with head gasket leaks, that was a design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected. also i know pontiac is replacing head gaskets that leak for free for 6year/60k miles. other than that i have found my quad4 to be completely solid and the direct ignition system means no wires/rotor/rotor-cap to ever deal with. also hydrolic lifters mean no valve adjustments ever. i'm not badmouthing the integra engine, i just think you are going overboard on slamming the quad4. you are quite correct that the integra engine is quieter, although i would not say smoother, my quad4 loves to rev, especially at the high-end. do you have any evidence of blocks cracking on quad4s? i have not heard of this. " 9382,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Distribution: usa Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 7 Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study (discrediting Kinsey) says so. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 9383,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: The battle is joined Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: >It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the >Administration even sooner than we feared. If the Administration is this far along, is it possible that the government been working on it for a while and has been using the Dennings to prime the pump, so to speak, or as the Judas goat? Whether paid off, just gullible, or what, doesn't really matter. It might also be possible that the NSA / whoever has had the idea for this for quite a while, has been promoting it (Denning, et al) and siezed the new opportunity - a new administration who wants to spend more money on espionage than Bush did. Whatever, i'm not so sure that the cause/effect order is totally obvious. -- You will lose your ""Drug Free And Proud"" ribbon. Two days later, you will catch a neighborhood kid smoking it. " 9384,9,"From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman) Subject: Re: Best record ever in baseball Article-I.D.: pony.1993Apr6.195932.20451 Distribution: usa Organization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc. Lines: 5 In article <1psl0jINNam3@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) writes: >Of all teams, I believe the Cubs have the best record ever in baseball. >Sometime way far back. 110+ and something. I think it was the 1954 Cleveland Indians with 111. " 9385,8,"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing Nntp-Posting-Host: binky Lines: 8 In article , hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes: > >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each > ^^^^^^ > excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain... - Roid " 9386,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992 -- Shortstop Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes: >In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 >> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, >>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few >>years may be a defensive liability. > >That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... Why not? Brooks Robinson is a defensive liability too, and Ted Williams is a weak hitter. Even great players decline as they age. -Valentine " 9387,4,"From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jacob Rose) Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes: >So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard, >but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split. >However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught >to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish >and American typing, or what??? It must be... ...I type it with my left hand. Personally, I would have a real problem with my keyboard opened up like that, because I tend to share some keys with both hands, particularly if I'm doing something else with one hand (like using the cursor keys, mouse, or glass of Jolt). -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ""Deej"" (Jacob Rose) :: Amazing but true: There is so much sand in Northern jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu:: Africa that if spread out it would cover the Sahara. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: " 9388,17,"From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Lines: 118 Nntp-Posting-Host: viktoria.dsv.su.se Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Organization: Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University Henrik?? and Hilmi writes: |>henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their |>henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are |>henrik] INVADING their homeland. |>HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today |>HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) |>HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the |>HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? With facist methods like |>HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the |>HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to |>HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds |>HE] by the Armenians. |>Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno- |>Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas |>between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade |>Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying |>because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this |>policy. ************ Attacking? Who is attacking who? Even the country you live in,USA, have condemned Armenia for it's attacking. And you start to say that the attackers are the Azeris????? |>Armenians have lived in Nagorno Karabakh ever since there were Armenians ????? Azeris have lived in Nagorno Karabakh ever since there were Azeris... Don't come with nonsence, there is no reason to attack a people just because a man called ""Gorbatjov and co."" gave the ""freedom"" to the people in this area. |>If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land |>in the first place, not the Armenians. It's easy for people like you to blame history. The were a lot of Indians living in USA. There is no reason for these Indians to attack the ""American"" people and say:""It was the fault of the government of Germany and Great Britain, because they made people come to our place......"" Armenians lived in harmony with the Azeris until ""Gorbatjov and co."" gave ""freedom"" to the people in Karabag, then the Armenians started to kill, rape and torture the Azeris, not only in Karabag but also noe in Azerbadjan.... |>henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane |>henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one |>henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane |>henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. |>HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes |>HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities |>HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo |>HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. |>HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of |>HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not |>HE] humanitarian aid..... |>What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending |>aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in |>the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out. |>HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. |>HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons |>HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan |>HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons |>HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? |>It's too bad you would want Turkey to start a war with Armenia. That's what i don't want, you couldn't imagine the result of a war..... So France, Greece and USA wants to start fighting with Azerbadjan???? They give a lot more weapons to the Armenians without saying it, that's no secret any more...... I must say that these Armenian Government is very shortsighted. Do they think that they shall move from it's neigbours when the war is over???? The neighbour around will be there and Armenia must live in harmony with these if they don't want a ""stone-age"" country, for that's what's will happen Armenia if the wars continues. Look, The President of Turkey, Turgut Ozal, died and Petrosyan the Armenian Presindent is now in Turkey for the funeral. Is it because he liked him? Sure NOT, because Armenia needs it's neighbours and must live with these. But Armenia can't stop this war with continued ordertaking from states like France and USA. With other words, if you love your people you must think twice..... And i wonder, ""Shoot down turkish planes"" WITH WHAT????? ohhh i forgot the Armenians can't find food but there are a lot of arms from the mentioned countries..... Hilmi Eren Stockholm University Sweden " 9389,18,"From: bearpaw@world.std.com (bearpaw) Subject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 33 spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at >> the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior >> Senator? The King of the motss/bi? >> >> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers >> get brought out. > >Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops), >who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the >density of the crowd in small regions. > >These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA >methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be >methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers, >so as to justify bigger budgets. Judging from past experience (the '87 March, a Peace and Justice March the same year, and 3 different Pro-coice Marches), The Park Service will come out with an estimate that is approximately 1/2 the estimate that organizers will come up with - though the last Choice march I went to had a sign-in system, and the numbers ended up closer. And then you've got the media types in their helicopters, rolling dice. I believe the MOW plans and handing out some sort of wristband thingy, and basing their count on those. I see two problems with this. One, can they get *everybody* to take one (and only one)? Two, they couldn't possibly have been able to choose a color/design that won't clash with *somebody's* outfit! :-> bearpaw " 9390,0," zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!odin!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: <11705@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> <1pic4lINNrau@gap.caltech.edu> Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 15 In article <1pic4lINNrau@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: |> |> >My personal objection is that I find capital punishment to be |> >cruel and unusual punishment under all circumstances. |> |> It can be painless, so it isn't cruel. And, it has occurred frequently |> since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual. Koff! You mean that as long as I put you to sleep first, I can kill you without being cruel? This changes everything. jon. " 9391,13,"From: pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? In-Reply-To: mossman@cea.Berkeley.EDU's message of 15 Apr 1993 19:41:40 GMT Organization: InterViews/Allegro group, Stanford University <1993Apr13.144340.3549@news.cs.brandeis.edu> <1993Apr14.012946.114440@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com> <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> <1qkdpk$5k6@agate.berkeley.edu> Lines: 26 In article <1qkdpk$5k6@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@cea.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman) writes: > I had a similar reaction to Chinese food but came to a completly different > conclusion. I've eaten Chinese food for ages and never had problems. I went > with some Chinese Malaysian friends to a swanky Chinses rest. and they ordered > lots of stuff I had never seen before. The only thing I can remember of that > meal was the first course, scallops served in the shell with a soy-type sauce. > I thought, ""Well, I've only had scallops once and I was sick after but that > could have been a coincidence"". That night as I sat on the bathroom floor, > sweating and emptying my stomach the hard way, I decided I would never touch > another scallop. I may not be allergic but I don't want to take the chance. I don't react to scallops, but did have discomforts with clam juice served at (American) waterfront seafood bars. I don't know whether the juice is homemade or from cans. The following is my first encounter with the Chinese Restaurant Syndrome. Ten years ago, about an hour after having Won Ton Soup I collapsed in a chair with my face feeling puffed up, my scalp tingling, my feet too weak to stand up. The symptoms lasted for about 20 minutes. Determined to find out the cause of my first reaction, I went back to the Chinese restuarant and ordered the same dish. The same thing happened. A quick look inside the kitchen revealed nothing out of the ordinary. I've also had a mild attack after having soup at a Thai restuarant. " 9392,5,"From: agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) Subject: XAllocColor fails to return nearest match Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 23 [posted for a friend] Okay, I looked through the FAQs and didn't see this, but I know its come up before... XAllocColor is supposed to do the following in order: Try to find an exact match read-only color cell. (within hardware limits) Try to allocate a read-only colorcell and set it to match. and when all else fails, Return the colorcell with the best match from the read-only colors already allocated in the colormap. This sounds good in theory. It doesn't seem to work this way though. If there is no exact match already in the colormap, and no unallocated cells, then XAllocColor fails, even when it has already allocated several other cells already, and there are dozens of read-only cells already in the colormap. Is this a bug? A feature? A misunderstanding on my part? Any help appreciated, Noel (ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov) " 9393,4,"From: drlovemd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve Liu) Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu In article <1ps8d7INNrc0@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes: > >In article , bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes: >> In article , ""Donpaul C. Stephens"" >> wrote: >> > >> > What is the difference? >> > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May >> > >> > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only >> > what is the best? >> >> Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed. >> As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS) >> You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions. >> It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other >> manufacturer >> >> Christian Bauer >> >> bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de > > > I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average >access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM >drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models. > >- Chung Yang > I have the a CD-Technology drive with the Toshiba mechanism, and it is supposedly the fast and best now. It has an access of 200ms and a data transfer rate 300Kb/sec. It is multisession photo-cd compatible. It is available from educorp for $599, the CD-Technology one, and comes with two mail in coupons for two free CDs. I'm not sure if the cd's are good, since I've only had the drive a little less than a month and had the cd's shipped to my home address in california instead of here in maryland. The CD-technology drive has a separate power supply separated from the drive, which supposedly gives it a longer life, and keeps it cleaner with no fan to attract dust. A Toshiba brand drive is also available, but I think the CD-Technology is better, since you get the same mechanism, and at a slightly lower price with two free CDs. The Apple 300/330i Drive, Sony Mechanism, is around a 300ms access time I think, and a data transfer rate of 300Kb/sec. I know it is the slowest of the three mentioned here. It is not widely available, except through the apple catalog, which is bad at a price of only $599. It is also multi-session photo cd compatible. I think the external model comes with 7 free cds, some of which are pretty good. The NEC drive has been out the longest. it has an access time of 280ms and a data transfer rate of 300Kb/sec. it is available from many vendors around $600 dollars, including Educorp. It wasn't multi-sesssion photo-cd compatible before, but I hear that the current version that is shipping is. Owners of the older drives can get an upgrade. It does not come with any free cd's unless you buy it in a bundle. Of the three CD-Rom drives above, i think the best choices would be the Apple drive and the CD-technology(toshiba) drive. The apple drive for it's compatibility with apple products and the cd-technology(toshiba) for it's speed and performance. BTW, the models of the drives are: Apple: AppleCD 300 or AppleCD 300i (internal) CD-Technology: CD-T3401 (the Toshiba brand name model I'm not sure, but it is also something like with 3401) NEC: CDR-74 I'm very happy with my drive. And have had no compatibility problems whatsoever. If I am wrong about any of the above, do correct me, but I am pretty sure of myself, even when I think I'm not. Also, some of you out there might notice that I have the same last name as the president of CD-Technology which happens to be in southern california, my hometown. However, I AM NOT a relative nor do I know the guy. Liu is just a common chinese name, especially in southern california, with the enormous chinese community. Besides, one of my doctors in california has three Steve Liu's as patients and another Steve Liu comes to my school and lives in the next dorm. This is to show that Liu is very common. Steve :-) -- Steve Liu |I wish for a better .sig drlovemd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu |Suggestions are very welcome! drlovemd@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu | " 9394,4,"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650 Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 28 I would like to know what people's opinions are about the ""real world"" differences are between a C650 with and without a coprocessor... I don't use anything like Mathamatica, Maple, etc. I don't use Spreadsheets (at least no sheets with complicated anything), I don't use 3D CAD apps (although I used to), I DO: use 3D renderers, EXTENSIVE communications, I run a BBS, I write software, I write papers, etc... BTW, just for kicks, this is what I was told by my local Apple Rep about upgrading a 68LC040 to a 69RC040 on a C650: ""Well, Apple built in an extra socket for the coprocessor chip. That way, you just plug in the coprocessor, and it works."" I then heartily laughed and hung up the phone. thanks, -nate o---------------------------+======================================o | ""I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know."" | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | o---------------------------+======================================o " 9395,13,"From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: : : Once again we are waiting. I have been thinking that it would be good : to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any : experience with this kind of thing. I know that members of the medical : community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and : foods play in our general health and well-being. Anyway, as you can : guess, I am worried sick about this, and would appreciate any ideas : anyone out there has. Sorry to be so wordy but I wanted to really get : across what is going on here. : : I don't know anything specifically, but I have one further anecdote. A colleague of mine had a child with a serious congenital disease, tuberous sclerosis. Along with mental retardation comes a serious seizure disorder. The parents noticed that one thing that would precipitate a seizure was a meal with corn in it. I have always wondered about the connection, and further about other dietary ingredients that might precipitate seizures. Other experiences would be interesting to hear about from netters. -- David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C (617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 " 9396,6,"From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) Subject: Re: DRIVE Summary: ** Honda XR-100R Dirt Bike for sale ** MINT! Lines: 10 For Sale: 1987 Honda XR-100R dirt bike. Bought new from dealer in 1989. Ridden only 4 hours, garage kept and well cared for. The bike is in MINT condition; perfect size for lady or young adult. price: $600 firm. You will not be disappointed. Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana inquiries preferred please. work: (513) - 576-5986. Leave voicemail please. Rob Davis, Cincinnati Ohio. Again, this is a new bike. " 9397,11,"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article Graham Toal writes: >Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen >to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me >like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people >who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more. Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether you are the radical fringe, or I. It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you. Andrew Molitor " 9398,5,"From: kaiser@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Siegfried Kaiser) Subject: R5 table widget causing trouble with XtQueryGeometry Organization: Universitaet Koblenz Lines: 227 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: glass.uni-koblenz.de Contents:Problems with table widgets in R5 The following part of a program (an user interface for a simulation system) did work in R4, but refused to in R5. Of cause, the R4-version did not know about the xpTableWidgetClass (we used tableWidgetClass instead - caught from the net in times of R3) and XpTableChildPosition (formerly XtTblPosition). Since compiling with R5, the program causes a zero width or height error (on sparc-stations). The trouble-shooter is the (re)computation of the model_init_table - table widget: though its childs (label and asciiText widgets) exist, XtQueryGeometry returns a prefered width and height of zero. Thus the following asignment cannot perform anything else but set the width and height of the newly created widget to zero. No wonder XtPopup or XtManage- Child create zero width or height errors (dependent on whether width and height of the shell widget are set in the resource file or not). Question: Does anyone know, why XtQueryGeometry returns so low prefered values when working on table widgets or perhaps what to do about? I'll be happy, if someone is able to help me. Germans are requested to answer in german. Siegfried Kaiser email: kaiser@uniko.uni-koblenz.de The part of interest: /* Graphischer Neuaufbau des Model-Init-Formulars */ /* Storing the old width and height of the viewport- */ /* widget, which is the parent of the troubling table */ /* widget, before the viewport widget is destroyed */ /* The destroying of widgets before resizing them is a */ /* relict from R3-age */ if (model_init_popped_up) XtUnmapWidget(model_init_form_view); XtDestroyWidget(model_init_form_view); /* Creating the subtree within the shell, of which the */ /* root is the viewport widget */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromVert,model_init_title); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromHoriz,model_init_button_view); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNallowVert,True); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNforceBars,True); n++; model_init_form_view = XtCreateWidget(""form_view"",viewportWidgetClass, model_init_form,args,n); n = 0; model_init_table = XtCreateWidget(""table"",xpTableWidgetClass, model_init_form_view,args,n); /* create_form_widget does create and position table */ /* widget's childs. To position them it uses XpTable- */ /* ChildPosition in R5 and XtTblPosition in R4 */ create_form_widget(ptr_model_init_obj,model_init_table); /* */ /* The crucial function call: */ /* intended to return the maximum height possible: if */ /* there isn't sufficient space to show the whole table */ /* widget, then the viewport shall grow as large as */ /* possible, but not beyond the border of screen. */ /* If there is enough space, the window is intended to */ /* shrienk to the smallest possible height. */ /* */ XtQueryGeometry(model_init_table,NULL,&pref); /* According to the algorithms idea, the new value of */ /* viewport widget's height is selected. Unfortunately */ /* pref.height = 0 leads to new_height = 0. */ if (form_view_height > pref.height) new_height = pref.height; else new_height = form_view_height; /* Setting the new values to viewport widgets ancestors */ w = XtNameToWidget(model_init_form,""form_view""); XtResizeWidget(w,width,new_height,pref.border_width); XtResizeWidget(model_init_form_view,width,new_height, pref.border_width); if (model_init_popped_up) { /* In case the shell, which contains model_init_form_- */ /* view and model_init_table, allready exists, is has */ /* to be resized, too. */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&shell_width); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNheight,&shell_height); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&shell_bw); n++; XtGetValues(model_init_shell,args,n); XtResizeWidget(model_init_shell,shell_width, shell_height - height + new_height,shell_bw); }; /* end of if */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&width); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&bw); n++; XtGetValues(model_init_button_view,args,n); XtResizeWidget(model_init_button_view,width,new_height,bw); XtResizeWidget(vert_bar,sbar_width,1,sbar_bw); resize_inits(); /* If there is the shell's height set within the */ /* resource file, the program terminates within the */ /* first XtManageChild on its second pass through the */ /* observed function. The first pass succeeds. */ XtManageChild(model_init_form_view); XtManageChild(model_init_table); if (!model_init_popped_up) { /* In case the shell isn't popped up it has to be done. */ /* If there is no value set to the shell's height within*/ /* the resource file, the program terminates here. */ XtPopup(model_init_shell,XtGrabNone); model_init_pop_flag = True; set_model_init_attributes(); }; /* end of if */ get_actual_init(&ptr_actual); load_form(ptr_actual); /* */ /* If someone suspects the creation of table widget's contents */ /* causes all the trouble, there are the sources of create_form */ /* */ create_form_widget(ptr,table) t_obj *ptr; Widget table; /* ptr is a linear list containing attributes and para- */ /* meters of the model and additionally the correspon- */ /* ding widgets */ { Arg args[10]; int n, row, col; t_obj *ptr_obj; t_ident *ptr_ident; /* Initialization of the local variables */ ptr_obj = ptr; col = 0; row = 0; /* Schleife ueber die Objekte bzw. das Pseudo-Objekt (fuer die Parameter) */ /* loop through the list of objects and pseudo-objects: */ /* every object occuring in the model has zero or more */ /* attributes and some parameters, which can be shared */ /* by several objects. */ /* Because of locality the attributes of one object are */ /* listed in a second linear list (of type t_ident), */ /* whereas the parameters, which can belong to any ob- */ /* ject are put together in a pseudo-object */ /* Thus the program loops through the list of objects */ /* and pseudo-objects and for each object through the */ /* list of its attributes resp. parameters. */ while (ptr_obj != (t_obj*)NULL) { /* Each object and pseudo-object is represented in a */ /* label widget */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_obj->name); n++; ptr_obj->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""object"",labelWidgetClass, table,args,n); XpTableChildPosition(ptr_obj->label_w,col,row); col++; row++; ptr_ident = ptr_obj->ident; /* Schleife ueber die Objekt-Attribute bzw. Parameter */ while (ptr_ident != (t_ident*)NULL) { /* Each attribute and parameter is represented in a */ /* label and has a corresponding asciiText widget, in */ /* which it is to be initialized. */ n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_ident->name); n++; ptr_ident->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""ident"",labelWidgetClass, table,args,n); XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->label_w,col,row); col++; n = 0; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlength,ROW_LENGTH); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNstring,ptr_ident->text); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNeditType,XawtextEdit); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwrap,XawtextWrapWord); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNresize,XawtextResizeHeight); n++; XtSetArg(args[n],XtNuseStringInPlace,True); n++; ptr_ident->text_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""text"", asciiTextWidgetClass, table,args,n); XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->text_w,col,row); col--; row++; get_next_ident(&ptr_ident); }; /* end of while */ col--; get_next_obj(&ptr_obj); }; /* end of while */ } /* end of create_form_widget */ So far the problem in detail. " 9399,3,"From: snorman@den.mmc.com ( Stephen P. Norman ) Subject: G2K/Jumbo 250 Backup Problems Keywords: tape backup gateway jumbo Nntp-Posting-Host: muse.den.mmc.com Reply-To: snorman@den.mmc.com Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group Distribution: usa Lines: 16 I have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway 486/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be fairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail at one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape. Seek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the DOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive, get some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)? Any hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over and over again until it cooperates... Steve Norman snorman@den.mmc.com " 9400,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 6 Apr 93 God's Promise in John 16:24 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. John 16:24 " 9401,13,"From: eliezer@physics.llnl.gov (David A Eliezer) Subject: Questions about SPECT imaging Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 25 Distribution: world Reply-To: eliezer@physics.llnl.gov (David A Eliezer) NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.llnl.gov Keywords: PET, SPECT, resolution I have become involved in a project to further develop and improve the performance of SPECT (Single Photon Emission Computerized Tomography) imaging. We will eventually have to peddle this stuff somewhere, and so as I move this thing along, I would like to know -- What is the current resolution of SPECT imaging? What kinds of jobs is SPECT used for, specifically? What kind of specific jobs could I hope that SPECT could be used for, if its resolution improved, say, to close to that of PET (Positron Emission Tomography)? And how much does a SPECT machine cost? How much does a single SPECT image cost? If anyone knows the answer to any or all of these questions, OR where I could find that answer, I would be very grateful, indeed. Thanks in advance for any replies Dave Eliezer eliezer@physics.llnl.gov " 9402,6,From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear) Subject: Onkyo Integra series Integrated amp for sale: Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 18 I have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of. 60w/ch works great Integra series not a problem Asking $100 OBO If your interested call me at 317-743-2656 or email this address. MAKE ME AN OFFER!!! Todd -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% (___________________________________ % Todd Premo / / / % Purdue Universtiy / __ __ / __ / % Environmental Engineering 9403,19,"From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Rice University Lines: 33 In article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: >""To all whom it may concern - > >""It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible >organization of such men and women, who having themselves found >the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the >burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, >and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be >guided. > >""While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. >have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of >the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, >yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics >which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover >The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the >One Hermetic Truth. > >""This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient >Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise: >The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. Up to this point, I was kinda hoping that this was a joke. Still, it would make a great premise for a bad syndicated TV show- ""These are the adventures of the Oriental Templars... dedicated to truth, justice, and good karma! (Dramatic music in the background.)"" No doubt I've just horribly offended someone. -- Mike Swaim |Whenever the soft drink machine needs to be swaim@owlnet.rice.edu |restocked, rather than getting angry, Disclamer: I lie |meditate on the impermanence of all things |and the emptiness of coke. " 9404,15,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 29 In article topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) writes: >Now, as to the suggestion that all prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical, >can you elaborate? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. How does the >suggestion relate to Isaiah's prophecy of the birth of Christ by a virgin? >I don't see any cycles in that prophecy. Maybe cyclical is not the best word. That is one aspect of it. In the case of the virgin birth prophecy, it applied to the then and there, and also prophetically to Christ. The army that threatened the king would cease to be a threat in a very short time. Yet it also prophecied of Christ. Several prophecies that refered to Christ also had application at the time they were made. ""Out of Egypt have I called my Son"" refers both to Israel, and prophetically to Christ. ""Why do the heathen rage"" was said of David and also of Christ. Another example would be the Scripture quoted of Judas, ""and his bishoprick let another take."" Another example is something that Isaiah said of His disciples which is also applied to Christ in Hebrews, ""the children thou hast given me."" How does the preterist view account for this phenomenon. Link Link Hudson. " 9405,10,"From: vergolin@haydn.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) Subject: Probert and Wendall Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.lbs.msu.edu Summary: I believe that game two of the DEt/Tor series will be rougher Keywords: Fight will break out Game two of the Detroit - Toronto series will be a rougher game. I believe that Clark will be coming out hitting on all cylindars. I believe that Probert will take exception to this and a fight between Clark and Probert will result. I know this sounds kind of ridiculous, but I know game two Toronto will come out hitting. Any takers on this issue? " 9406,14,"From: Amruth Laxman Subject: Surviving Large Accelerations? Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I was reading through ""The Spaceflight Handbook"" and somewhere in there the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them when and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to the sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he estimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not be a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published in 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very long-winded but here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration? Can this be extended to larger accelerations? Thanks is advance... -Amruth Laxman " 9407,12,"From: ptorre@hardy.u.washington.edu (Phil Torre) Subject: Circuit Cellar Ink address? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 2 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Summary: Address or phone number for subscriptions? Is CCI still published? If so, does anyone have their address? " 9408,1,"From: sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Reply-To: sts@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England Lines: 19 Has anyone got multiverse to work ? I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation. There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed setting to static - else the client core-dumped) Steve -- Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer " 9409,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr5.212018.25066@eng.cam.ac.uk> dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap) writes: >smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > >> Team Biggest Biggest >>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik >>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce > > ^^^^^^^^ > weren't these two > traded for each > other? Poetic justice. They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here, only 5 goals. Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 9410,16,"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: Re: ATF suspects drug lab in compound Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu >In article <1993Mar28.180629.21574@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes: >>A Associated Press News story 3/28/93 reports: >> >>"" In other developments Saturday, David Troy, intelligence chief for >>the ATF, confirmed reports that authorities suspected the cult had a >>methamphetamine lab. He said evidence of possible drug activity >>surfaced late in the ATF' investigation of the cult's gun dealings. Wow, the scope of the mission of the ATF continues to expand. Besides Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, they now seem to be involded in Child Protective Services, Drug Enforcement and Tax Evasion. They look to be on the road to being the nations *boys in blue*! No Knock in one hand, M-16 in the other. Zeik-Heil!!! Lance -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | | ""Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."" | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9411,8,"From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 4 Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? Mike Terry '82 Virago " 9412,8,"From: kristyn@netcom.com (Kristyn Geenwood) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 32 In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or >something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the >approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, >then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it >didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my >house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to >the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to >the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to >harm. > Stuff deleted > >Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride >KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to >DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to >ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . > > I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick. -g. =========================================================================== Glenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of R65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways. you! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what? | -SJ Mercury News =========================================================================== " 9413,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? Organization: The Internet Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, rlm@helen.surfcty.com # # I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I # recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group # near death? # Seen from the mailing list side, I'm getting about the right amount of traffic. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 9414,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.065015.3554 Distribution: usa Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 13 In article oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes: [stuff about Dodge Shadow deleted] > As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of >all models. I bought one for my wife. What do you mean by ""all models"", all models of cars, all Chrysler models, all models that the fleet manager had bought? Because there is no way in hell that the Shadow is the most reliable car of all models sold, not even Chrysler's dept. of lies, damned lies and statistics would claim that. Craig > " 9415,6,"From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) Subject: Re: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2 Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 15 aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) writes: >4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original >box, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you. >Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if >you're interested in this marvel of modern technology. Well, I've been informed that the price on the whole thing I'm selling is now less than the price I'm selling it for. That will teach me to wait that long before getting rid of electronic equipment. Nevermind, everyone, I'm keeping the thing. --- Andrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com " 9416,15,"From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) Subject: Re: ""National repentance"" Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 37 mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >I heard on the radio today about a Christian student conference where >Christians were called to ""repent"" of America's ""national"" sins, such >as sexual promiscuity. >How can I repent of _someone else's_ sin? I can't. >And when I claim to ""repent"" of someone else's sin, am I not in fact >_judging_ him? Jesus equipped us to judge activities but warned us >not to judge people. ""Judge not that ye be not judged."" Strictly speaking, you're right - we can't repent _for_ somebody else, for what they've done. I guess I don't think it's out of line to talk about a generalized repentence for our contribution to or participation in ""The sins of society"" , or for our tacit approval (by our silence) of sinful attitudes or practices....it may be that we're also just plain begging for mercy, hoping God will withhold his hand of judgement on our whole country for the sake of a few, much as Abraham sought to do for the sake of Lot. (Hmmm, the results there were pretty cautionary...) A few times lately when I've observed some either out-and-out sinful activity, or just some self-destructive activity, I've gotten a strong impression that many folks really don't know any better. Christ's pity on the crowds as being ""like sheep without a shepherd"" rings true to me. If these folks don't have a clue, do I bear _any_ responsibility for my not having communicated a better way? Worse still; have I expressed judgement and disgust at their doings, and thus alienated them from any positive relationship whereby I might pass along anything positive? I _know_ I've got something to repent about on that score. Anyway, it's a real interesting question. -- paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . . . . . . . . . happens . " 9417,3,"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: DX3/99 Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 24 KM> Is the 486DX3/99 anything more than a myth? I haven't heard of it KM>from any source that I trust, and I sure don't see any ads for DX3/99 KM>machines in Computer Shopper. Intel is pretty busy with the Pentium KM>right now; I can't seem them introducing their own competition. I heard the rumor as well, but the story differed. Intel was not coming out with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was. I got this rumor from a pretty good source ( Has designs computer equipment, and hav never been wrong let, but there is a first time for everything. ) ... I can just hear that rumor-mill turning now ... -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 9418,11,"From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Distribution: na Lines: 282 Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. " 9419,16,"From: pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) Subject: Re: Founding Father questions Nntp-Posting-Host: bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Lines: 21 arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with >a silver foot in his mouth? Sounds like another damn politician to me. > >Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore. The politicians may have been >corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand. (My apologies to a few >exceptions I can think of.) > >News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so >her ""opposition"" out of her concern for image (she's even said this >publicly) may not matter. Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9420,12,"From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Subject: Re: History question Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK Lines: 25 In article kazel@uiuc.edu (Mitch Kazel) writes: >Sorry if this isn't the correct news group . . . but . . . > >A colleague of mine is trying to find out when the first public use of >electronic voice amplification was . . . i.e. a P-A system. > >Any reference would be appreciated. Please reply via e-mail. >Mitch Kazel (N9HDQ) >INTERNET: kazel@uiuc.edu This is vague, so I am posting it in case anyone else knows more. I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder than a conventional phonograph. It tended to wear the disks out pretty quickly though. Paul. -- Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions " 9421,18,"From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr14.152634.16128@pony.Ingres.COM>, jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles) writes: > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: >>questions like ""what kind of sexual perversions do you participate in?"" >>and you think he made a good case????? The arresting officer said the >>bastards told him they did it on purpose and hoped the victim would die, >>and you think the defense made a good case????? No wonder we're losing! >>We're aparently not trying to win! > > The clip I saw was even worse than that. The defense attorney was asking > something like ""what have you done to serve YOUR country, as compared to > these fine upstanding examples of patriotism?"" > > I didn't see the response; I don't think it was shown on TV. I wish the > response had been ""I vote. I pay taxes. I pay my salary. I support the Bill > of Rights, unlike you, Counselor."" > > In my dreams :-( > > Now, the real question is, could this be a federal civil rights case, since > the state case was a sham? (Sound like a well-known Los Angeles trial?) Probably > not: fags and dykes aren't protected (for being fags and dykes) under civil > rights laws. > > I would doubt any civil rights case would be in order for the point that you mentioned. Even if it were possible, I think it is a bad idea since it smacks real strongly of double jeopardy. A civil case for damages is fine since that is a trial that would proceed regardless of the first. I think a bad precedent has already been set in the King trial in L.A. and something like this would make it worse. Regardless of how bad anybody feels about this decision, it must stand that charges of assault were not not proven against the three marines and that's how it should stand. Frank (who is still mad, but now somewhat sane) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank R. Chloupek CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University (Not just any Ohio State University) ""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: somebody else's place."" --P.J. O'Rourke " 9422,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Thrush ((was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?))) Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 34 In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >Dyer is beyond rude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't threaten to rip your lips off, did I? Snort. >There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own >knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what >the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook. Duh. >For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several >past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional >deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics. Listen: thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite characteristics. If you have thrush, you have thrush, because you can see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it, it generally responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics who are convinced they have ""candida"" from reading a quack book. >My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. So? -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 9423,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 54 In article <1qk7kvINNndk@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently >>faster at managing data from a hard drive. >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized > drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone know how they perform? >So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES >the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode >it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can. As implimented on what system? >The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put >rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT >the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the >SCSI-2 through put. Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence? What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? >The cost of SCSI interface is a self fulliling >prophisy: few people buy SCSI because it is so expencive for the PC, which >in turn convices makes that mass producing SCSI {which would reduce its >cost} is unwarented, and so SCSI is expencive. {That is the effect of the >Rule of Scale: the more items sold the less EACH item has to bare the brunt >the cost of manufacture and so the less each item has to cost} The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card (or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to come down in price. I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. " 9424,6,From: Craig.Landgraf@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Landgraf) Subject: NEW CD-DISK'S Lines: 26 For CD-Disk USERS ---------------------- This is NOT a COMMERCIAL AD! 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If you send me Email with Your Home Address I will mail you a list to your house.......The list is 12 pages long...this is if you do not have a Computer that you can call and get the List faster..... 9425,5,"From: ma201rs@prism.gatech.EDU (SHONKWILER R W) Subject: screen problem in unix/xwindows/solaris Keywords: unix xwindows solaris Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 23 Experiment: From a Sun openwindows 4.1.3 xterm window log into a Solaris 2.x machine using rlogin; now do an ""ls"" and get the first character of each line display in the last column of the display with the rest of the line wrapped to the next line of the display. Log out and the condition persists. Check stty all, try reset with no effect. Use telnet instead of rlogin and it doesn't occur. Try it from a unix console and it doesn't occur. (1) What's causing this? (2) Can it be avoided? (3) How can the terminal characteristics be reset? Please send replies to shenk@math.gatech.edu -- SHONKWILER R W Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!ma201rs ARPA: ma201rs@prism.gatech.edu " 9426,9,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Re: NO JOKE: ROCKIES HAVE ATTENDANCE RECORD!!!! Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 23 Distribution: usa Expires: 5/9/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: OPCY is just too small... Hell, the Orioles' Opening Day game could easily be the largest in history if we had a stadium with 80,000 seats. But unfortunely the Yards (a definitely excellent ballpark) only holds like 45,000 with 275 SRO spots. Ticket sales for the entire year is moving fast. Bleacher seats are almost gone for every game this year. It's a extremely likelyhood that the O's could sell out every game this year (especially if we lead the division for most of the year like '89). On another front, the sale of the Orioles to anyone is likely to be forced upon Eli Jacobs who is major debt apparently. Maybe we can get an owner willing to spend on a proven rightfielder free agent in the winter. Fernando has made the O's as the fifth starter. The O's pitching staff looks pretty good. Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, and Fernando. Baltimore is my pick for the victors in a very competitive AL East. __________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | |and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | |****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Second to last day of the season - Gregg (The True Wild Thing) Olson uncorks a wild pitch allowing the Blue Jays to tie. Blue Jays win in the 11th and ends the Baby Birds' miracle season of '89. " 9427,19,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 14 In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Objective morality is morality built from objective values. And organized religion is a religion built from organized values. And Ford Tempo is a Tempo built from Ford values. And rational response is response built from rational values. And unconditional surrender is surrender built from unconditional values. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ uncle! bye -jim halat " 9428,18,"From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) Subject: Re: Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: > > If you look through this newsgroup, you should be > able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative ^^^^^^^^^ > for our computer networks and telephone systems. > > This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least > the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > bill. What kind of brainless clod posted the above garbage? Would they be so kind as to explain how this is ""Clinton's"" initiative, when it has been before Congress for ""at least the past 6 months""? Jeez, the next thing you know, they'll be blaming the weather on the poor guy. They'll be blaming World War II on him. They'll be blaming the Civil War on him. Maybe the Thirty Years War? " 9429,1,"From: ""james kewageshig"" Subject: articles on flocking? Reply-To: ""james kewageshig"" Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: comp Lines: 17 HI All, Can someone point me towards some articles on 'boids' or flocking algorithms... ? Also, articles on particle animation formulas would be nice... ________________________________________________________________________ |0 ___ ___ ____ ____ ____ 0|\ | \ \// || || || James Kewageshig |\| | _\//_ _||_ _||_ _||_ UUCP: james.kewageshig@canrem.com |\| | N E T W O R K V I I I FIDONET: James Kewageshig - 1:229/15 |\| |0______________________________________________________________________0|\| \________________________________________________________________________\| --- þ DeLuxeý 1.25 #8086 þ Head of Co*& XV$# Hi This is a signature virus. Co -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 9430,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: Re: With Friends Like The Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 27 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Paul Prescod pontificating: PP>State.EDU (Cathy Smith) writes: PP>> Libertarians oppose BOTH waiting periods AND background checks PP>>-- or ANY prerequisite for exercising rights that are supposed to PP>>be guaranteed. PP>Let me get this straight. Unlike the other idiots in this newsgroup, PP>you actually support anybody having unlimited access to guns, PP>inclucing criminals. (or would you prohibit them from owning them, PP>but not from buying them?) PP>You are a supreme idiot. You make the other idiots look like Mensa members. Thanks Paul, for yet another fine example of the holier than thou gun control mindset. Why don't you add something intelligent to the debate, like maybe nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah. --- . OLX 2.2 . Fight crime..... shoot back! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9431,0,"From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Organization: Macalester College Lines: 94 In article <1993Apr15.050750.3893@nuscc.nus.sg>, cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: > sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > : In article <1q338l$cva@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric > : Molas) wrote: > : > Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are > : > because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life > : > a safety blanked to hide behind. ""Oh wow..all i have to do is > : > follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."" > : > : I agree that in many cases primitive emotional feelings based on > : 'haha, you won't laugh in hell' mentalities makes certain religions > : very attractive for certain personalities. > > I agree with both of u, but I would like to make a small point. Xtianity, & > other dogmatic religions, not only attract people without hope etc but > also attract ""average"" people as well. I believe that Xtainity, thru > its escapist doctrines & absolutist attitudes, provides great psychological > shelter from day-to-day frustrations, unhappiness & fear of uncertainty > & unknown etc. > This is a good point, but I think ""average"" people do not take up Christianity so much out of fear or escapism, but, quite simply, as a way to improve their social life, or to get more involved with American culture, if they are kids of immigrants for example. Since it is the overwhelming major religion in the Western World (in some form or other), it is simply the choice people take if they are bored and want to do something new with their lives, but not somethong TOO new, or TOO out of the ordinary. Seems a little weak, but as long as it doesn't hurt anybody... > The Buddha had something to say about the attractiveness of religions: > > ""When driven by fear, man worships sacred mountains, sacred stones, > and sacred trees."" > > However, the Buddha also said, > > ""If somebody finds peace in any religion, let him be"". > > These are good quotes, and I agree with both of them, but let's make sure to alter the scond one so that includes something like ""...let him be, as long as he is not preventing others from finding their peace."" or something like that. (Of course, I suppose, if someone were REALLY ""at peace"", there would be no need for inflicting evangelism) > Personally, I feel that since religion have such a poweful > psychological effect, we should let theists be. But the problem is that > religions cause enormous harm to non-believers and to humanity as a whole > (holy wars, inquisitions, inter-religious hatred, impedence of science > & intellectual progress, us-&-them attitudes etc etc. Need I say more?). > I really don't know what we can do about them. Any comments? > Well, it is a sure thing we will have to live with them all our lives. Their popularity seems to come and go. I remember when I first entered High School, I was an atheist (always had been) and so were about 7 of my friends. At this time, 5 of those 7 have converted, always to Christianity (they were all also immigrants from Taiwan, or sons of immigrants, hence my earlier gross generalization). Christianity seems a lot more popular to people now than it ever has before (since I've been noticing). Maybe it is just my perceptions that are chagning. Who knows? I for one am perfectly willing to live and let live with them, so long as we have some set of abstract rights/agreements on how we should treat each other: I have no desire to be hurt by them or their notions. For all the well-put arguments on this usenet, it never does any good. Argumentation does not really seem to apply to Christians (or even some atheists)- it must simply be a step the person takes naturally, almost, ""instinctively""... best regards, ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * ******************************************************************************** > -- > > The UnEnlightened One > ------------------+-------------------------------------------------------- > | ""Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be > Tan Chade Meng | expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it > Singapore | transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; > cmtan@iss.nus.sg | it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is > | based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience > | of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful > | unity"" -- Einstein > ------------------+-------------------------------------------------------- > > > " 9432,11,"From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) Subject: Re: PEM and MIME Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org Distribution: world Organization: Thibault & Friends Lines: 34 In article <1qg8m2$2e5@nigel.msen.com> (Edward Vielmetti) writes: > I would suggest that 50 attractive MIME formatted news messages a day would be > sufficient to get a few people thinking about adding MIME support to news > readers, esp if the content is really worth it. But that's just the problem. There is no such thing as ""MIME-Formatted"". By analogy, MIME is a content-labelling standard for the box, not a specification for the contents themselves. It provides a standard for ""like-minded"" individuals to exchange mail containing an agreed-upon data format. You say tomahto, I say tomaeto; you say postscript, I say SGML... Cheers, Marc --- Marc Thibault | CIS:71441,2226 | Put another log marc@tanda.isis.org | NC FreeNet: aa185 | on the fire. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.0 mQBNAiqxYTkAAAECALfeHYp0yC80s1ScFvJSpj5eSCAO+hihtneFrrn+vuEcSavh AAUwpIUGyV2N8n+lFTPnnLc42Ms+c8PJUPYKVI8ABRG0I01hcmMgVGhpYmF1bHQg PG1hcmNAdGFuZGEuaXNpcy5vcmc+ =HLnv -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- " 9433,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: To Rob Lanphier Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 82 Dear Rob, >When I read Brian K.'s postings, I find someone who is honestly seeking >the truth. When I read your response here, I see condescension. When you >reply to a post, reply to the post you quote. This statement undermines >any good points you might have had (it was enough to make me stop reading). Sometimes I do come across condesending, and I am sorry I come across that way at times. Thank you for the reproach, I really do appreciate it. I'll try to get better. Rob, at the same time, I have also learned that some people respond to the gentle approach while others respond only at a harsh rebuke. Brian K., so far, only responds to the latter. And I am glad he responds at all. In both cases of approach, my intention is to be loving. I am making no excuse for myself if I am coming across condesending. I apologize for that. Rob, sometimes Brian K. comes across as honest. I know this. But Brian K. vasillates back and forth. One post looks honest; the next is an excuse. Now he wants me to explain the universe in 50 words or less. I think Brian Kendig is really trying but he is too comfortable with his set of excuses. I just want Brian K. to be honest with himself. If he really wants to know, he will ask questions and stop asserting irrelevant excuses which have nothing to do with my God. I wish Brian would read the Bible for himself and come to his own decisions without being sidetracked with the temptation to mock God. From my perspective Rob, when I look at Brian Kendig, I see a man standing out in the middle of a highway. Off into the distance I see a Mack truck heading right for him, but Brian K. is faced away from the oncoming truck. He doesn't see it. Here's is how I see the dialog: Me: ""Brian K, please step aside before you get run over."" BK: ""There is no truck."" Me: ""Turn around at look."" BK: ""No."" Me: ""Look! You will be healthier if you do take a look at the oncoming truck."" BK: ""No. Explain to me why trucks exist."" Me: ""Turn around or you will run over."" BK: ""No. I won't because I like hiking and tomorrow is Tuesday."" Me: ""You blind fool! Why do you choose ignorance? You have nothing to lose if you look. But if do not look, you will certainly lose your life."" I do not want to see you squashed all over the road. BK: ""It is my life to lose. I rather not look. Besides, a truck running over me will not harm me."" And by the way, I really have an open mind."" So is my motivation to belittle Brian, or to love Brian the best I know how? I do not wish to single Brian Kendig out. Because millions if not billions of people fall into the same category. Perhaps all people fall have fallen into this category at one time in their lives. I have. I can now see the truck behind Brian. My hope is that Brian will look and will see the ramifications of the truck coming towards him. My hope is that Brian will want to step out of the way. My fear, though, is that Brian will instead choose to glue himself to the middle of the highway, where he will certainly get run over. But if he so chooses, he so chooses, and there is nothing I can do beyond that to change his mind. For it is his choice. But at this very moment, Brian hasn't gotten even that far. He is still at the point where he does not want to look. Sure he moves his eyeball to appease me, but his head will not turn around to see the entire picture. So far he is satisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance. Thank you again Rob for your reproach. I really do appreciate it. (My wife tells me the same thing at times.) :-) I will try to do better. " 9434,16,"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) Subject: Re: CNN for sale Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 Lines: 5 If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors, you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above Keith Emmen kde@boi.hp.com " 9435,18,"From: mpye@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Subject: Re: Media horrified at Perot investigating Bush! <1992Jun25.151502.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: acvax1 Nntp-Posting-User: cvads008 visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: > +>I can't find my source. > +>But. If you state that you will retract your claim, I'll go dig one up > +>at the library. Fair enough? > > ARE YOU SERIOUS? I'm not talking about retracting anything until > you have produced SOMETHING. > > If you were not just talking off the top of your head, I would > assume that you have SOME memory of what your source is. > > PUT UP NOW without conditions! Yes, very serious. I claim that I can substantiate my statement that Rudman says he doesn't believe Perot was investigating him. You claim Perot was investigating him. If you will state that you were in error on this point, provided I produce the source, I'll go dig it up. Now give me one reason why I should go to the trouble if you won't agree to this? It is simple enough you know. But I don't have time to waste if you'll just blow it off with more of the tripe you usually post. --- Michael Pye email: mpye@csupomona.edu " 9436,19,"From: pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) Subject: Re: Societal basis for morality Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them Lines: 13 In article merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes: >Prayer in school is legal; what is illegal is telling children >what to pray, or not to pray. Many people confuse ""you can't >tell kids that they ought to pray now"" with ""kids aren't allowed >to pray"", possibly because so few kids do so without being told. Or perhaps it's because they think that all governmental bodies should be in the business of suppressing all beliefs other than their own, or else they're some sort of Satanic Humanist Conspiracy. It's the old ""if you're not for us you're against us"" bit. -EMP " 9437,14,"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Which Gehrels? (was Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr21.170817.15845@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: > >> > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were: > > Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to > me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American > has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil > Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. > Same person? I would guess not. Dr. Neil Gehrels of CGRO is the son of Dr. Tom Gehrels of the University of Arizona. Since he's long had research interests in asteroids and other solar-system astronomy, Tom is the one more likely to have discovered a comet (and thus had his name attached to it). Tom Gehrels is a leader in the Spacewatch project, which has recently increased mankind's discovery rate on near-Earth asteroids (they're finding a couple every month). For much more on this interesting guy, read his autobiography, *On a Glassy Sea*. ""Do you know the asteroids, Mr.Kemp?... Bill Higgins Hundreds of thousands of them. All wandering around the Sun in strange Fermilab orbits. Some never named, never charted. The orphans of the Solar higgins@fnal.fnal.gov System, Mr. Kemp."" higgins@fnal.bitnet ""And you want to become a father."" --*Moon Zero Two* SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS " 9438,2,"From: ewl@world.std.com (Erich W Lantz) Subject: >80 col. mail messages in MS Windows editors Keywords: windows editor norton desktop mail Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 31 I have a modest system of aliases/macros that enables me to download mail from a public access UNIX system to my MS-DOS box. I read and reply to the mail with a MS Windows 3.1 based editor. Everything works peachey keen as long as the author of the message has maintained his text at 80 col. max. width. Sometimes I get slightly wider messages that run off-screen, so I have to use the cursor/slider to read the whole thing. I'm using NDW Deskedit mainly, but I've experienced the same prob with all other MS WIndows editors. I've fiddled with word wrap settings in the various editors, but to no avail. I know I'm missing something very basic in editor setup, but what is it? Oh yeah, MS Word for Windows converts everything flawlessly but for what I'm looking for that's like using a tank to crack walnuts. I'd really like to have an editor setup that would display all incoming ASCII files in a readable format to my screen. Thanks in advance, ============================================================ Erich W. Lantz AMA #601821 ewl@world.std.com Distributor of Deflagration #0815 '85 Virago "" Well yer dead now, so shut up! "" - M.P. ============================================================ " 9439,1,"From: td@alice.att.com (Tom Duff) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Article-I.D.: alice.25335 Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ Lines: 3 ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? Forty-two is six times nine. " 9440,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: tuberculosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 26 In article <1993Mar29.181406.11915@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: > >Multiple drug resistance in TB is a relatively new phenomenon, and >one of the largest contributing factors is that people are no longer >as scared of TB as they were before antibiotics. (It was roughly as >feared as HIV is now...) > Not that new. 20 years ago, we had drug addicts harboring active TB that was resistant to everything (in Chicago). The difference now is that such strains have become virulent. In the old days, such TB was weak. It didn't spread to other people very easily and just infected the one person in whom it developed (because of non-compliance with medications). Non-compliance and development of resistant strains has been a problem for a very long time. That is why we have like 9 drugs against TB. There is always a need to develop new ones due to such strains. Now, however, with a virulent resistant strain, we are in more trouble, and measures to assure compliance may be necessary even if they entail force. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9441,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 25 In article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis > > >To: shaig@Think.COM > >Subject: Ten questions to Israelis > >Dear Shai, > >Your answers to my questions are unsatisfactory. So why don't ypu sue him. ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 9442,12,"From: mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (Martin John Gregory) Subject: HELP: MC146818A Real Time Clock Standby Mode Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.pax.tpa.com.au I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from a MC146818A Real Time Clock. Has anyone out there had some experience in doing this? The specs call for a few sequences to be met before standby mode is activated, and are a bit hard to decipher on that, but I thought that I had it worked out. However, with a 32kHz crystal the lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is three times the specified MAXIMUM under the conditions I am attempting to create. I have done the following things: 1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is low during this time. 2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted. What am I doing wrong? Thanks very much, Martin. " 9443,17,"From: nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) Subject: Dear Mr Ajami Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 20 I have read -just today- two articles dripping of hate and offence to a great deal of people. I could find as much matching hatred in your articles as I have found in some of the self-righteous ""Kill-in-the-name of God"" people. I don't know why you are so attcaking to everyone, is it a reaction to the hatred calls on this newsgroup, or is it a reaction to hardships you have seen and experienced from before... I have learnt not to judge people by only what they say, but rather try to put myself in their place and aspire to understand their feelings. I hope you would be able to do the same with everyone, starting by your ownself, because only through that you could be able to understand your feelings and act in a the manner you would aspire everyone to adopt. Thanks for your time NABIL " 9444,8,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: insect impacts Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 In article <2385@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes: > > For those who have had problems with small birds what about the > large raptor types when they are swooping across the road after > smallish prey?? I had a hawk, Falcon what ever come within 5 > feet of me, lucky for him (or me for that matter) he noticed me > and my, and pulled up on his/her trajectory at the last moment. > Scared the shit outa me...nothing like a red tailed hawk in the > face, Talons and all....I wonder if riding a Nighthawk has > anything to do with it....hmmmm? > > Ryan > 0780 I got a male Mallard duck in the chest once. It was like being kicked by my karate instructor. No accident, but my eyes were tearing so hard, and I was wheezing so loudly, that it's quite remarkable that I was able to come to a stop with the rubber side up. The duck, BTW, lived, and seemed quite healthy, though we both sat by the roadside and shook our heads for a few minutes. The bruise went from my right collar bone all the way down to my belly button. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 9445,9,"From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) Subject: Re: Minnesota Pitching Nntp-Posting-Host: milli.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 37 In article snelson3@uwsuper.edu (SCOTT R. NELSON) writes: >The rotation has changed due to a ""strange"" injury to Scott Erickson. He >developed a twinge in the stomach area and has been taken out of the >rotation. New rotation (to the best of my mind's knowledge) is: >Kevin Tapani, Jim Deshais, Pat Mahomes, Willie Banks. > Add Mike Trombley in there somewhere, since they need five people. Mark Guthrie will remain in the bullpen as the long lefty. >As to SS and 3B: >Short will be played by Scott Leius who played short for much of his career >before the Twins. At third Mike Pagliarulo and Jeff Reboulet will platoon. > Pags and Terry Jorgenson will platoon at third, with Reboulet as the backup infielder. Pags looked pretty miserable yesterday for a guy who lead the league in DA in 1991, muffing what should be routine grounders (heck, muffing a grounder *I* would probably have gotten to). Jorgenson did nothing exceptional that I noticed. Leius missed a ball I *think* Gagne would have reached; we will certainly miss Gag's glove this season. >Winfield has struggled during preseason. Sunday against the Colorado >Rockies he went 2 for 3 with 2 RBIs and scored once. > He looked pretty good there. Contrary to what the mediots have been saying, he looked reasonable at first. He isn't mid-80s Hrbek, but then neither is the Pretty Big Guy himself any more (note: I'm used to seeing the Twins 1B looking kinda big on the field, but not that big!). If he hits vaguely like last year, he's a perfectly good first baseman. Note: Much of this posting is from personal observation yesterday in a game where the regulars were mostly pulled after several innings. Winfield may have big holes in his defensive game that didn't show up (he didn't have to pick any bad throws, for example), but I'll take what I saw so far. David Thornley ""Have tickets, will travel to Dome"" " 9446,12,"From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Subject: Part MC68SEC811E2 Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Reply-To: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering Distribution: na Lines: 8 I know what the 68HC811E2 is all about, but I'm trying to figure out what the 68SEC811E2 is... specifically, what does the SEC stand for? ---- Dale Ulan VE6DAU ulan@ee.ualberta.ca " 9447,10,"From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey In-Reply-To: Anna Matyas's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 13:34:29 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 ""Mom"" writes: >I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team >left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. Perish the thought...but you know, you may be right, at least as far as MAJOR LEAGUE professional sports teams go. They all seem to be becoming BIG MONEY games, much more so than at any previous time. To think that if I am ever able to move back home several years from now, all that may be there is an AHL team, at best...SIGH. The interesting thing is that the NHL is also expanding, at the same time as it is dramatically increasing the amount of money needed to operate a team. This would seem to indicate that there's a BIG shake-out about to occur in the next few years, unless player salaries can somehow be brought under control. Frankly, I don't see how the NHL's current drive for expansion is supportable under its current operating conditions. If revenue sharing AND a salary cap don't come into the NHL soon, look out. -Steve " 9448,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 32 In article <1r0ejoINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes: |> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: |> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation |> : continue to persecute Jews? Why this hatred of Jews? The majority of |> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all |> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism |> : bandwagon.) |> |> Do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up? The most blatent |> persecution of the Jews in history was of course done by the Nazis before |> and during World War II, a predominately Lutheran crowd. Sure, many |> Muslims in the Middle East consider the Israelites to be a thorn in their |> side, but the most of the modern persecution of Jews has been at the hands |> of Christians (at least as far as I'm aware). |> |> Rob Lanphier |> lanph872@uidaho.edu Do you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian? I'd hardly classify them as Christian. Do they follow the teachings of Christ? Love one another. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your enemies. Is Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour? By the persecution of Jews, they are violating all the precepts of what Christ died for. They are in direct violation of the teachings of Christ. Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders of that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their sins. I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else. The enemy is Satan, not our fellow man. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 9449,7,"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?) Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 9 In article jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) writes: > That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have > a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make this noise. " 9450,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool, rules, entry form Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, the tentative rules, anyway. And, of course, since the season is not entirely over, tentative entry form. But who cares? The real hockey season is starting!!!!! Here's the deal: You email (preferably) or post your predictions, AND the number of games you think each series will go. Each round will be weighted, so that the Stanley Cup finals will be very important, but the early rounds will still be important. Here is the scoring: Pick 1st round winner, way off on games: 2 points Pick 1st round winner, within one game: 3 points Pick 1st round winner, pick # of games: 5 points Pick 2nd round winner, way off on games: 3 points Pick 2nd round winner, within one game: 4 points Pick 2nd round winner, pick # of games: 6 points Pick conference champ, way off on games: 5 points Pick conference champ, within one game: 6 points Pick conference champ, pick # of games: 9 points Pick Stanley Cup champ, way off on games: 8 points Pick Stanley Cup champ, within one game: 10 points Pick Stanley Cup champ, pick # of games: 14 points Pick loser in 7, series goes 7: 2 points Pick loser in 7, series decided in Game 7, OT: 4 points (these last two are sympathy points, probably won't happen anyway) Obviously, picking the Stanley Cup champion is important. I will do some tests to see if the format is fair, but probably I will be too lazy to modify it, so the scoring will probably be like this. As for entry forms, well, this post is getting too long, so see next post. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 9451,12,"From: davidj@rahul.net (David Josephson) Subject: Re: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 In ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) writes: >I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics, large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone. I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts. >Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it. >--- >A l a n M a c a l u s o PURPLE MOON GIANTS >ali@cns.nyu.edu 158 E. 7th. St. #B5 >(212) 998-7837 NYC 10009 > (212) 982-6630 > Without doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the Burr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this chip as a phantom power mic pre. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Josephson Engineering, San Jose California MICROPHONES Tel/ 408-238-6062 Fax/ 408-238-6022 INSTRUMENTATION email:david@josephson.com ftp info from: rahul.net /pub/davidj/ " 9452,13,"From: sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sarah Anne Brundage) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Article-I.D.: oregon.21APR199316170714 Distribution: world Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 >I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school. >I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by >first dunking them in water. > I know this is a little weird, but I know that World magazine (you know, National Geo. for children) did a very simple and concise article on Kirlian photography. They had some neat pictures, too. A friend of mine's mother had a book on Kirlian photography, only it's photographs took a radiologist to interpret. They (World magazine) warned us all that it was very dangerous, probably to stop curious children from experimenting with it. Mind you, this was 10 years ago, at least. (And boy, does that say something about my age) Sarah Brundage sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu " 9453,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 46 In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > >In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: >>In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >>Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or >>Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? >>Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? >There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report >on the situation in the O.T. A neutral organization would report on the situation in Israel, where the elderly and children are the victims of stabbings by Hamas ""activists."" A neutral organization might also report that Israeli arabs have full civil rights. >The Israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these >neutral reporters. Care to name names, or is this yet another unsubstantiated slander? >So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. >They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. Terrorism, as you would know if you had a spine that allowed you to stand up, is random attacks on civilians. Terorism includes such things as shooting a cripple and thowing him off the side of a boat because he happens to be Jewish. Not allowing people to go where they are likely to be stabbed and killed, like a certain lawyer killed last week, is not terorism. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 9454,6,From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper) Subject: CDs for sale Article-I.D.: snoopy.1pspmoINNmtq Distribution: world Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: sparky.cis.ufl.edu The following are available for $7.00 each (includes postage if in USA): Ted Nugent - Penetrator Jah Wobble - Rising Above Bedlam Black 47 - EP Marshall Tucker Band - Long Hard Ride Kid Frost - East Side Story Coffin Break - Thirteen Steve Wariner Band - I Got Dreams 9455,6,"From: mlf@unl.edu (mary flaglelee) Subject: Wanted:Singer Featherweight 221 Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu Keywords: Singer sewing machine I'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black sewing machine in black case). Please contact: Mary Flagle-Lee mlf@unlinfo.unl.edu " 9456,2,"From: hodge@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com Subject: Re: Tidying up after removing an OLE server Lines: 25 In article , qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff) writes: > A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once > the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC. > > Unfortunately there is still a ""ghost"" of SPSS left: when I run > something like ""Write"" and go to embed an object then ""SPSS Chart"" > appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all > the obvious ""INI"" files without success. The next thing I tried > was looking for the string ""SPSS Chart"" in every file in the > Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or > REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel > inclined to edit it. > > I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers. > > Chris Wooff > (C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk) You can edit that file with a utility that comes with Windows 3.1 called ""REGEDIT"" (Registration Info Editor) -- ++++ Bob Hodge ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + ""I'm going fishing."" ""You got worms?"" ""Yeah, but I'm going anyway!"" + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 9457,7,"From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour) Subject: Re: WHAT car is this!? Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr21.032905.29286 Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing) writes: > > I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw > the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/ > early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition, > the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is > all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years > of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you > have on this funky looking car, please e-mail. Bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford. They are rather odd looking with the encased front bumper. There aren't a lot of them around, but Hemmings (Motor News) ususally has ten or so listed. Basically, they are a performance Ford with new styling slapped on top. > ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ---- Rush fan? -- Robert Seymour rseymour@reed.edu Physics and Philosophy, Reed College (NeXTmail accepted) Artificial Life Project Reed College Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain) Portland, OR " 9458,5,"From: rei@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp (Rei Hamakawa) Subject: Xavier (AV Extension to InterViews) Article-I.D.: tsl.1993Apr27.043112.25052 Organization: C&C Systems Research Labs, NEC Corporation, Kawasaki, Japan Lines: 58 Nntp-Posting-Host: hyperion.tsl.cl.nec.co.jp Dear Folks: It's a pleasure to be able to announce the release of a new freeware program, Xavier, an audio and video extension to InterViews. Xavier(eXtension AV class for IntERviews) is a C++ class library that adds multimedia capability to InterViews. It allows composite multimedia objects to be built from media objects. Specifically, it adds audio and video objects to the classes available in InterViews 3.0.1/3.1, and it does so without changing the source code for the original classes (though several configuration files for InterViews need to be changed via a patch file). Currently, the Xavier audio classes are only supported on SUN workstations with an audio interface, such as the SPARCstation2. Xavier has been tested in the following environments: SUN: Machine : SPARCserver470 SPARCstation-IPC OS : SUN-OS4.1.1 or later C++ : SUN C++ ver2.1 NEC(EWS): Machine : EWS4800/210,230 OS : EWS-UX/V(Rel4.0) WSOS41 Release5.1,Release5.2 C++ : C++ Release3.1 It can be obtained via anonymous ftp from interviews.stanford.edu in /pub/contrib/ (Xavier.large-demo.tar, and Xavier.tar) We are preparing a mailing-list for information regarding Xavier. If you are interested, please contact xavier@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp. I will add your e-mail address to our list. [Reference] o Rei Hamakawa, Hizekazu Sakagami, Jun Rekimoto: Audio and Video Extension to Graphical Interface Toolkits, The Third International Workshop on Network and Operating System Support for Digital Audio and Video, San Diego, 1992 *********************************************************************** * _ * * \ \ Rei Hamakawa (e-mail: rei@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp) * * |o| * * |o| C & C Systems Research Laboratories * * |o| __ NEC Corporation * * O| || / 1-1, Miyazaki 4-Chome, TEL : +81-44-856-2271 * * O| || | Miyamae-ku, Kawasaki, FAX : +81-44-856-2232 * * O| \/ | Kanagawa 216 JAPAN * * \__/ * *********************************************************************** " 9459,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 17 Ed McCreary (edm@twisto.compaq.com) wrote: : >>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said: : RB> In article pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes: : >EVER HEAR OF : >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what : >is... : > : RB> : RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes : RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the : RB> priest really wears under that chasible. Does this statement further the atheist cause in some way, surely it's not intended as wit ... Bill " 9460,11,"From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security) Keywords: cooperation Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr14.055903.5358@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: > > >I say ""in theory"" because in another case, a woman was held in >contempt for refusing to reveal the location of her child even after >taking the 5th. In this case, the woman was suspected of having >murdered the kid, so taking the 5th wasn't surprising. Sure, so she >was probably guilty, but that's not good enough. In our system you're >not supposed to be able to force a suspect to confess to a crime, no >matter how strongly you think they're guilty. You have to develop >your evidence independently. Doing otherwise might catch a few more >crooks, but only at the cost of turning the clock back to the middle >ages, when confessions were routinely tortured out of suspects both >guilty and innocent. > OK, I should have read the thread before posting my own $0.02. I would just add to Phil's very infomative discussion the following caveat: the fifth amendment applies ONLY in crinial cases. (""...nor shall any person . . . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...""). Thus if the father sued for custody of the children, the case would be civil and the defendant mother would not have fifth amendment protection. Oddly enough, her refusal to give information in a civil case can lead to criminal contempt charges (thus landing her in jail.) The interesting part of all this is that in a murder trial, the woman CAN plead the fifth as to the location of the child--this is routine. A ""computer crime"" prosecution thus would seem to be fertile ground for this kind of defense, where a suit by a party injured by ""hackers"" would not. If I am accused, for example, of sending encrypted kiddie porn over the nets the fifth should protect my key. If I am accused of sending copyrighted material, however, it proabably will not (copyright infringement not being a ""crime"" in the technical sense.) The REALLY tricky question is, say I do both (naughty boy that I am) can the government use the information gained in the civil trial (ie. my key) to gain access to my files for use in the criminal prosecution. The answer should certainly be no, but lord only knows how this would work out. Steve. -- Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu ""All I did was kiss a girl."" - Jake, the night before his hanging. " 9461,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Summary: Constitutional Basis of Foreign Aid Organization: Historical Accuracy, Inc. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: >... >I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing >stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution >was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate >constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money >from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. > >Roger Collins > Since you asked, Article I Section 1. Article I Section 8. Article I Section 10. Article II Section 2. Article VI. Sixteenth Amendment. With this as a guide, try reading it yourself. jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 9462,3,"From: wyman@rtsg.mot.com (Mark S. Wyman) Subject: Re: AMD i486 clones: Now legal in US?!?!?! Nntp-Posting-Host: lead17 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: na Lines: 12 poe@wharton.upenn.edu writes: >A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN >and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 >clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. >Can anyone out there verify this? >Thanks in advance >Phil Yep, this was on the news. Great news for consumers. Bad news for Intel. " 9463,17,"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 21 cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: # 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, # could you provide any evidence ? Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons. However: 1) Their use so far has been restricted to killing deer, by LSD addicted ""Cherrie"" soldiers. 2) They are locked in the cellar of the ""Garinei Afula"" factory, and since the Gingi lost the key, no one can use them anymore. 3) Even if the Gingi finds the key, the chief Rabbis have a time lock on the bombs that does not allow them to be activated on the Sabbath and during weeks which follow victories of the Betar Jerusalem soccer team. A quick glance at the National League score table will reveal the strategic importance of this fact. -Danny Keren. " 9464,18,"From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Distribution: usa Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 28 OK Phil, you're right. So far the ""evidence"" suggests that Nixon was a victim of overzealous underlings and Kennedy was a womanizing disgust-o-blob with a dash of megalomania. After crushing the CIA and FBI who's to say Kennedy wouldn't have created his own version of American Friendly Fascism? Unfortunately however, we don't have all the evidence. So far this nation's citizens have been privy to about 12 hours of the total 4,000 hours of Nixon's tapes. What's on the rest of those babies? Some archivists have alluded that there is ""evidence"" to suggest that Nixon and his cronies, including George Bush, were aware of the plot to murder Kennedy before he was shot in Dallas. Ask your local D.A. what the charges are for the above crime. And so I must ask you, Phil me putz, when all this shit finally comes out when you and I are old men, I would appreciate the privilege of sticking a pole up your ass and parading you down Main Street with a sign on your chest: ""I was an Apologist for the American Fascist Regime circa 1944 -- 2010"" (How's that for a lovely Brecht-ian image:-) There, that ought to get a reaction. Unless I'm in his killfile this week... MPA " 9465,1,"From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK Subject: HELP WANTED FOR DMORF.......! Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk ============================================================================== Please bear with me as i am new at this game, i apologize unreservedly if i hav e posted another message earlier by mistake. but i digress, could anyone out th ere please explain exactly what DMORF does (dtax.exe). Does it simply fade one bitmap into another or does it reshape one bitmap into another. Excuse my ignor ance..... " 9466,16,"From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) In-Reply-To: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:16:21 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: fanny.wash Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA Lines: 15 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 / >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread >""Terminator"", aka ""The Rifleman"", owned no firearms for several >years while posting in this group, as an example. There are >others. For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA. This is not about toys. It is about freedom. Dave Barton dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com " 9467,10,"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 18 <9487@blue.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9487@blue.cis.pitt.edu> from Dean: >>In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >>fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >>subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. > >This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on ""free"" TV and 6 >games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on >a subscription basis. > >You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no >more ""radio-only"" games. Yes, you're right. After going home and reading the paper, I got the full details. That's what I get for making a post based on WDUQ's news. I should know by now they get just about every sports related item wrong. Ralph " 9468,6,"From: delliott@access.digex.com (David N. Elliott) Subject: Computer Stuff for sale Article-I.D.: access.1psb9r$j8e Distribution: usa Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net For sale in the Baltimore - DC Area One Mac 2X 8/80 with Radius 24 Bit Color Dual Page display and adapter Microtek 300Z color scanner QMS ColorScript 10 Color Postscript Printer 2400 Baud Modem Dyanfile with 360 K and 1.2Meg Floppies 30 Software packages including Pagemaker, Quark Express, Style, Photoshop, etc $7000 OBO One Compaq LTE 286 with internal modem and 1.5 Meg ram 20 Hard drive $750 OBO One Compaq SLT 286 with 5 Meg ram and 40 Meg Hard drive $950 OBO One Compaq 386N motherboard only Make an offer this has just returned from Compaq Service. Six Muxes with 9600 Baud modems built in. Make an offer 20 S-100 CPU from a Multi-user TurboDos system Offer Contact Elliott @ (703) 329-7773 office (410) 992-1734 Home or delliott@digex.com internet " 9469,15,"From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Georgia - UCNS Lines: 32 In article , kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) wrote: > > Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: > Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. > This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God > Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, > it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always > existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. > This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists, > and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence. > I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words. Always existing and being the source of the existence of all other beings is not problematic. But, as you put, Being the source of ""all"" existence, including one's own, would mean that God came from nothing, a concept alien to Christianity and Theism. It is better to understand the classical concepts of Necessary and Contingent existence. God exists necessarily, always. God created contingent beings. This is a coherent solution to existence, so long as the concept of God is coherent. > The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable > of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not > accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods. Not a very good answer. If reason cannot by any means understand something then it is likely that ""it"" is a null concept, something not in reality. Ted Kalivoda " 9470,1,"From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) Subject: Medical Images via Gopher? Nntp-Posting-Host: suncad.camosun.bc.ca Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 11 A few days back someone posted info on a gopher site where you could search for medical graphics, etc. Could someone please repost or mail me a copy? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Mark =================================================================== Mark Morley, UNIX/SUN Manager NET: morley@camosun.bc.ca Camosun College - Interurban Campus TEL: (604) 370-4601 4461 Interurban Road Room 143-Tech FAX: (604) 370-3660 Victoria, B.C. Canada V8X 3X1 " 9471,3,"From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen) Subject: Re: Please help identify this old 3Com Ethernet card Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 29 simon@moscow.uidaho.edu (Mike Simon) writes: >In article <1qhvunINNhau@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes: >|> I have an old 3Com ethernet card (PC AT Bus) that came out of a Apollo >|> workstation. I'm trying to identify it in order to use it on a PC. >|> >|> The Assembly number is 4008-00 REV 2 and it is a 16 bit card, circa >|> 1985. It has an AUI port as well as a BNC coax connection. It has >|> selectable address for the BIOS, IO, DMA, and IRQ locations via berg >|> jumpers. It also appears to have a Intel 80186 processor on board, >|> presumably for buffering. >|> >|> The ethernet chip appears to be an Intel 82586, a 48 pin DIP package. Is >|> this chip an equivalent to the 8390 used in some cards? There is also >|> a 68 pin PLCC chip, called a LINK+ I got two very similar sounding boards for dirt cheap, too. Their Assy numbers were not 4000-series, but your description fits otherwise. They are 3Com 3C505's aka Etherlink Plus cards. Check out ftp.3com.com, there are drivers and diagnostic programs for just about any and all 3Com cards. I concluded that my card was the 505 after I ran their diagnostic program for 3C505 succesfully (""..passes with flying colours"") :) Anybody know of packet drivers for these cards under OS/2..? -- Juha Liukkonen, aka jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi University of Helsinki, Dept. of Lost Souls ""Trust me, I know what I'm doing."" - Sledge Hammer " 9472,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Magellan Update - 04/16/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Magellan, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr20.072706.19981@cs.ruu.nl>, jhwitten@cs.ruu.nl (Jurriaan Wittenberg) writes... >In <19APR199320262420@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov >(Ron Baalke) writes: > >>4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and >>interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes. >Will this mean a loss of data or will the Magellan transmit data later on ?? The gravity data is collected in real-time and it not recorded to the tape recorder. However, you only need to collect the gravity every 3rd or 4th orbit, so there is no real data loss if the Moon blocks transmission for a short while. >BTW: When will NASA cut off the connection with Magellan?? Not that I am >looking forward to that day but I am just curious. I believe it had something >to do with the funding from the goverment (or rather _NO_ funding :-) The aerobraking starts May 25 and is expected last about 70 days. If the funding is provided (8 million dollars) to extend the mission for the high resolution gravity data, then the mission will last through October 1994. Otherwise, the mission will end this coming July. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 9473,4,"From: betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts) Subject: Ghost on Apple 12"" Color -> user=insane!! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 16 Dear Netters, My sister has an Apple 12"" Color Display hooked up to an LC. Problem: There is an annoying, horizontal, ghost-like stripe that precesses vertically about once per second. It is about 1 cm high. She is in grave danger of going insane because of it. Any ideas of what it might be and how I might cure it for her? -Joe Betts betts@netcom.com PS: if I pick up the display (I thought it might be RFI from the LC) it seems to get worse! " 9474,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 32 In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: > > THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE > > by Theodore J. O'Keefe > >HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson >Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, >has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of >America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet >marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all >races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a >massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false >version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American >members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of >tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda >campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, >in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America. After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash. The NY Times reported on April 18, 1993 that the museum ""was built through private contributions on Federal land"". Your hate-mongering article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content and social value. Down the toilet it goes..... -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 9475,13,"From: rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Flames 'R Us Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: calamari.hi.com In article <1993Apr15.153729.13738@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used >MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that >they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just >extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth. And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? Andrew " 9476,3,"From: ong_mang@iastate.edu (sleeping_dragon) Subject: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor Summary: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Hi, I'm looking to buy a 17"" monitor soon, and it seems that I can't decide what monitor I should buy. I have a MAG 17S (this is a .25 dpi version and it using a TRINITON tube) and a NANAO 560i in mind. Does anyone know of any specification or problems these monitor have? Actually, any related opinions at buying a 17"" monitor will be welcomed. Thanks in advance, ong_mang@iastate.edu " 9477,11,"From: angel@Foghorn_Leghorn.coe.northeastern.edu (Kirill Shklovsky) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Northeastern University Distribution: na Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr21.204036.13723@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes: >As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this-> >aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a >sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? > >The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is >not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you >can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about >it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. > >(Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) ) > >GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world >where a person can complain without getting shot at. > >People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody >did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: > >1) What have they done right? >2) How much worse can it get? > >And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. > >So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. >But let's not overreact! > Us having the liberties to talk about this doesn't make the problem go away. It doesn't make it right. Rather the opposite, if we do not do anything about it, you can bet it's going to get worse. * Angel@foghorn_leghorn.coe.northeastern.edu * * * * BTW: These are my opinions, and not that of any other entity - * * * * * * ------------------------------------------------------------* * * * My god, its full of stars! - Dave * I don't know about you, but we've got company! - Epidemic " 9478,12,"From: aras@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras) Subject: Polaroid Range finder interference-Help! Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 26 We have a setup with with 13 polaroid transducers and rangefinders. We would like to fire these three at a time with about 5 ms between firings. The three that are being fired do not fire in the same direction. To further explain the situation, assume we are firing sonars A,B,C 5 ms apart each other. We should normally see an echo on A that corresponds to the distance. However, sonar A detects the INIT line of sonar B! The detection is actually through the transducer of sonar A; we can see a very faint 50Khz signal on the transducer, exactly at the time the init line of sonar B is activated. We feel that there is some ground coupling that is causing this interference. We came to this conclusion since we are using a separate power supply for sonars B and C. Has anyone else had any problems with these particular units and this type of experience? Your suggestions for remedies will be greatly appreciated. -- Caglan M. Aras [] aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu ECE Department [] ph: 919-515-5405 North Carolina State University[] fx: 919-515-5523 Raleigh, NC 27695 [] " 9479,10,"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: FLYERS notes 4/5 Organization: AT&T Keywords: FLYERS/Leafs summary (take that, Leafs woofers!) Lines: 225 The FLYERS team that can beat any team on any night showed up at the Spectrum Sunday night, and dominated the Maple Leafs thoroughly en route to a 4-0 shutout. Tommy Soderstrom will get credit for the shutout, but he barely broke a sweat until the third period as the FLYERS defense kept the Leafs from mounting any serious attack. Injuries: Pelle Eklund is day-to-day with a bruised thigh. Roster Moves: Jason Bowen was added to the lineup for his first NHL game. Jason was the FLYERS second pick in the first round (15th overall) of the 1992 entry draft. 19 years old, 6'4"", 210 lbs. In 62 games with the tri-city Americans he had 10 goals, 12 assists and 219 PIM. He plays left wing and defense, he played defense in this game although Bobby Taylor said that Bill Dineen was planning to use him up front as well. Andre Faust was returned to Hershey. He actually left after the second period of the Kings game, flew to Albany, got the game tying goal in a Bears OT win, and played again for Hershey Sunday night. Lines: Fedyk-Lindros-Recchi Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy Acton-Brown Galley-McGill Yushkevich-Cronin Carkner-Hawgood Bowen Tommy Soderstrom in goal. Acton replaced Lomakin in the 3rd period. Game Summary: If the FLYERS played like this every night, they'd be in the playoffs this year. The FLYERS hit everything that moved. They created scoring chance after scoring chance. They snuffed out everything that the Leafs tried to do. Jason Bowen made a good play on his first NHL shift that almost created a goal. He had the puck in the top of the left offensive circle all alone, but instead of taking the shot he found Brind'Amour crashing the net on the other side. A perfect pass and a good shot across Daren Puppa's body should have been a goal, but Puppa made a great save reading the play. Garry Galley gave the Maple Leafs 7th ranked power play the first chance when he hooked Doug Gilmour at 4:25. The FLYERS lowly 21st ranked penalty killing unit was almost flawless the entire game, and set the tone on this kill. The Maple Leafs got almost nothing but long unscreened shots, and the defense swept away every rebound. After the power play, the FLYERS got a goal on an ugly play. Rod Brind'Amour gave the puck to Greg Hawgood at the right point, and he sent a drive at the net. Puppa made the save and kicked the rebound right into the feet of Josef Beranek and Bob Rouse, who were wrestling in the slot. Beranek was able to get his stick on the puck and push it out to Dineen who was skating into the slot from the right circle, and he lifted a backhander over Puppa for a 1-0 FLYERS lead at 8:10. The FLYERS kept the pressure on, and Puppa was the only Leaf keeping the FLYERS from building on their lead for a while. Eventually things settled down and defense prevailed. Each team got an occasional scoring chance, but the goalies were strong. Bowen started giving some Lindros-like checks in his own corners. Then Lindros, who was looking to avenge a hit Foligno gave him, thought he had a chance to even the score. He had Foligno lined up at center ice, leaned into him, and rode him into the center ice boards. The only problem was that Foligno was a little far from the boards, and Mike ""Mister"" McGeough felt that it warranted a boarding call at 15:38 The Leafs couldn't get anything going on the power play as the FLYERS were very aggressive (for a change) on the kill. With time running out in the period, Recchi carried through the neutral zone and handed to Lindros as they approached the Leaf's blue line. They were in a crowd with Wendell Clark and Jamie Macoun, Lindros tried a backhand pass to Recchi through the feet of Macoun that connected to Recchi, but then Clark checked Recchi off the puck. Macoun then tried to clear, but it was weak and went right to McGill who had manned the point. He drove it from just inside the blue line. Macoun got his stick on it and deflected it past his own goalie at 19:55.1. Shots were 13-8 FLYERS in the period. The FLYERS finally got their first chance on the power play when Dave Andreychuk tripped up Rod Brind'Amour in his offensive zone. During the power play, the FLYERS got cheated a little when the puck popped up into the air and Eric gloved it down, but McGeough thought it hit his stick above his head. We could see from our seats at the other end of the ice that it only hit his glove and the replay confirmed, but the faceoff went to the other end. As time was running out in the advantage, Lindros found Galley with a pass across the goal mouth but Puppa made the save. The rebound kicked back to the right corner where Recchi picked it up, passed it out to Eric crashing through the right circle, and Eric one-timed past Puppa at 7:55. With the assist, Recchi moves past Bobby Clarke's 74-75 season, the second best one season total for a FLYER at 117. Eric moves up to 4th all time in FLYERS rookie scoring with 67 points. Mike Eastwood took down Al Conroy at 8:30 to give the FLYERS another chance on the power play. Not much pressure before Garry Galley ended the power play with a slash at 9:19. Not much happened on the 4 on 4, although the Leafs had most of the possession. The FLYERS smothered the Leafs short power play. Tempers flared a little at 13:14. Bowen and Pearson got roughing minors, Keith Acton got a bloody face. Dave McLlwain then took a dive and got Greg Hawgood a hooking minor at 13:46 to set up a 4 on 3. The replay showed that Hawgood's stick stopped making contact with McLlwain long before he spun around and fell. Again the FLYERS smothered the Leafs power play, led by Dimitri Yushkevich. Bowen made a thundering hit when he came out of the box on Pearson. Berehowski tried to perplex everybody with his sloooowball. He had the puck at the point, and just trickled a pass down the slot. He made all the FLYERS look silly as nobody could get a stick on it, and it got to Gilmour at the side of the net, but Soderstrom stoned him. The FLYERS picked things up offensively after the kill was over, but didn't get anything home. Shots were 13-10 FLYERS. The FLYERS were content with the 3 goal lead in the third period, and they decided that if Tommy wanted a shutout, he was going to have to work for it a little. The FLYERS got most of the scoring chances in the first 7 or so minutes of the period, but couldn't get past Puppa. Then the Leafs got tired of Lindros making road kill out of them, and tempers flared. 2 each for Doug Gilmour and Lindros (unsportsmanlike conduct) and 2 each for Glenn Anderson and McGill (roughing) all at 7:02. Terry Carkner then took a kneeing penalty at 7:51 on Gilmour. Again the FLYERS smothered the Leafs power play. At about the 12 minute mark, Dave Andreychuk got a shot away from his left circle that got through Soderstrom. The puck was rolling on it's side, and as luck would have it it turned away from the net instead of turning towards it (think of how a rolling quarter inevitably starts to lean one way or the other). Seconds later Rod Brind'Amour tripped up Gilmour at 12:24 to give the Leafs another chance on the power play. On the advantage, after Soderstrom stoned Andreychuk while lying down, Andreychuk got the rebound through Soderstrom, but from behind the net and it went straight through and was swept away by one of his defensemen. They kept the pressure on, but Soderstrom was equal and preserved the shutout. Recchi cross checked Ken Baumgartner to get tempers hot and start a brawl at 16:01. No punches thrown, Recchi got the initial minor, Krushelnyski Baumgartner and Lindros each got roughing minors. At 17:02 Rouse and Beranek expressed their mutual dislike for each other and got 2 each for slashing to set up another 4 on 4. Mike Eastwood shoved down Ryan McGill in the FLYERS zone as they were battling for the puck, and while McGill was down he ran his stick across McGill's face. The FLYERS were not happy with that at all. 5-8 Al Conroy paired up with 6-1 Berehowski, and started throwing punches. Upward. Well, Al held his own, much to the delight of the crowd. Each got a couple punches in before going down in a head, and Al got a standing O! Penalties: Eastwood 5 (cross check) + game, Clark, Carkner 10 each. Berehowski and Conroy 5 each (fighting) at 17:49. So a major penalty for the rest of the game for the FLYERS. The had no interest in stting on the lead. Hawgood, Galley and Brind'Amour played catch until Hawgood found Dineen all alone in the left circle, he controlled the puck and blasted it past Puppa at 18:39. That was all the fireworks, Tommy Soderstrom would not face another shot. Puppa did, but kept the FLYERS off the board. 4-0 FLYERS, shots were 9-8 FLYERS in the 3rd. Probably the strongest game I've seen from the FLYERS since the All Star break. Shutout number 4 for Soderstrom, all since 1/10. Tied for 2nd most in the NHL, but he's played fewer games than Belfour (6) or the goalie I can't remember that he's tied with. Next up it's the Winnipeg Selannes Tuesday night in Winnipeg. The FLYERS cannot be eliminated if they win, but a loss coupled with an Islander win that night in Washington would be the official end. FLYERS up to 71 points on the season in 78 games. Last year they had 75 points in 80 games (5 under .500), so they need at least 8 points in their last 6 games to improve on that only by percentage points (5 under in 84 is better than 5 under in 80). Tragic number holds at 3 points with 6 games left. The tragic number for 5th is 5 points, I watched the Rangers blow a 4-2 third period lead at home to lose 5-4 before I finished this up. Why 5 points instead of 4? Well, the FLYERS will win the tie-breaker if they catch them, whereas the Islanders win tie breakers against the FLYERS and so need only a tie. The Rangers could crumble down the stretch as they play the Devils, the Pens twice, the FLYERS, and finish up with 2 games against the Caps. So I guess 5th place could be the goal for the team to focus on. FLYERS team record watch: Eric Lindros: 38 goals, 29 assists, 67 points (rookie records) club record goals: club record points: Eric Lindros 38 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84 Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80 Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82 Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Eric Lindros 67 1992-93 Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86 Mark Recchi: 51 goals, 66 assists, 117 points. club record goals: club record points: Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76 Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Mark Recchi 117 1992-93 Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75 Mark Recchi 51 1992-93 Bill Barber 112 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73 Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73 Reggie Leach 50 1979-80 FLYERS career years: Player Points Best Prior Season Mark Recchi 117 113 (90-91 Penguins) Rod Brind'Amour 79 77 (91-92 FLYERS) Garry Galley 58 38 (84-85 Kings) Brent Fedyk 58 35 (90-91 Red Wings) That's all for now... pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner " 9480,2,"From: rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) Subject: More Cool BMP files?? Distribution: usa Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 13 Hi, everybody: I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. Anyway could me give me some help, please??? thanks a lot! john " 9481,16,"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Distribution: usa <1qfrhbINNo80@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Lines: 27 In article <1qfrhbINNo80@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) says: >[...] >this measure as it will prevent the evil Bambi-killers from hunting, >and another will fight it for the interference with Nature that it is. Such a measure would also have another benefit. It would relieve the various states of the thorny problem of what to do with the hundreds of millions of dollars hunters pour into the economy annually. I'm sure that, to attain sure a lofty, humane, liberal and ecologically (not to mention politically) correct goal, the environmental and animal rights groups/individuals supporting such a measure would be more than willing to add their names to a list of supporters seeking increased taxation to replace these lost revenues. I am equally confident that these same entities, given their noteworthy record in the area of social responsibility and respect for private property, would feel morally and ethically bound to raise the necessary funds to acquire the hundreds of thousands of acres of land now held in private hands solely for use as private hunting preserves by the landowner(s). To do less than this would place these same groups/individuals in the ethically untenable (to say nothing of environmentally and politically incorrect) position of sanctioning the logging and subsequent development and urbanization of these former private hunting lands, which would no longer be useable by, or of any benefit to, the landowner(s) in such a capacity. W. K. Gorman " 9482,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 40 In article <1qk724INN474@hp-col.col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: >I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like >you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway), >there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is >ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual >condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal - >the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but >there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it >takes a while). > >If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter, >why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw >things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC >on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when >you ""need"" it. > Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me, your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since, as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line. Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and you've got to resync the AC in no time flat. Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already. Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there. . " 9483,1,"From: erikb@idt.unit.no (Erik Brenn) Subject: graphics formats Reply-To: erikb@idt.unit.no (Erik Brenn) Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology Lines: 14 I'm currently looking for information about different graphics formats, especially PPM, PCX BMP and perhaps GIF. Does anyone know if there exist any files at some site that describes these formats ??? Thanks ! -- ~~~ (o o) | Erik Brenn ,email: erikb@idt.unit.no ( O ) oOOO | Faculty of Computer Science & Telematics \\_// / / | The Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim -oOOO--------------------| Not to make sense, just cents ! " 9484,2,From: etape@cwis.unomaha.edu (Elizabeth Harris Tape) Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 0 9485,4,"From: andy@ie.utoronto.ca (Andy Sun) Subject: Re: Centris 650 to Decstation E-net adapter Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 86 >pnsf01dw@smucs1.umassd.edu (Dennis J. Wilkinson) writes: >Not necessarily a thrid-party adapter; Apple does manufacture transceivers >for thinWire and 10BaseT (twisted pair) cable media, as well as an AUI >(Attachment Unit Interface) transciever. They run at ~$100 each. If you use >thinWire or 10BaseT, you'll probably also need terminators (Apple's >transceivers are self-terminated, if I remember correctly, but I have no >idea about DECs). The third-party media adapters are usually cheaper (at least in Toronto) than Apple's. I bought the adapters from Asante instead of Apple. gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman) writes: > The DECstation 5000 Models 200 and 240 come with ThinWire only >(can't say for certain about the Models 125 and 133), so your best bet That's not true. Only the DECstation 5000/200 comes with a Thinwire (BNC, coaxial) Ethernet connector. The 5000/25, 5000/133 and 5000/240 all have a single 15-pin AUI Ethernet connector only. I distinctly remembered this because when got the 5000/200 first and I thought all of them are going to be Thinwire. I eventually had to go back and ordered DESTAs (DEC's oversized version of an AUI-to-BNC adapter that MUST be used with a transciever cable) for the rest of the stations. My advise to the very original poster (Beverly?) is: (1) If all you want is to create a LAN with two workstations and won't add machines to it EVER, go for Thinwire regardless of the media type. Going for UTP (unshielded twisted pair) wiring requires a concentrator which means extra money and I believe these units come with at least 6 ports. As for Thicknet, it's a nightmare and cabling is expensive. Avoid it unless you have no choice (e.g. the two machines are two floors parts). (2) On the Mac side, you will need: - one Thinwire media adapter (from Apple or third-party). - MacX (make sure you get version 1.2; 1.1.7 won't run on System 7.1). - MacTCP (which comes with MacX; if you get MacX v1.2, you should be getting MacTCP v1.1.1 with it. Don't use earlier versions on a Centris). - you may or may not need a 25ohm terminator depending on the Thinwire media adapter. So just ask the sales if the adapter is self-terminated or not. - configure MacTCP to use ""Ethernet"". (3) On the DECstation side, you will need: - for a Model 200, you will only need a T-connector. - for Models 25, 125, 133, 240, you will need an AUI-to-BNC adapter. Get one that can be plugged in directly to the AUI port of the DECstation. This way you save the cost of a transciever cable (a 15-pin AUI male to a 15-pin AUI female cable). - get a 25ohm terminator. Your two-machine network will look like this: ##T----------------------------------------------[] +-----+ | | | | +-----+ +-----+ | | +-----+ DECstation Centris 5000/200 650 OR ##T----------------------------------------------[] {=} | +-----+ | | | +-----+ +-----+ | | +-----+ DECstation Centris 5000/25,125,133,240 650 ## -> 25ohm terminator T -> T connector --- -> Thinwire (RG58 coaxial cable) {=} -> AUI-to-BNC (i.e. Thick-to-Thin) adapter [] -> Thickwire media adapter (assuming self-terminated) | | Andy -- Andy Sun (andy@ie.utoronto.ca) 4 Taddle Creek Road, Toronto Computing Coordinator Ontario, Canada. M5S 1A4 Department of Industrial Engineering Phone: (416) 978-8830 University of Toronto Fax: (416) 978-3453 " 9486,5,"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: How do I find by AppContext Organization: The Internet Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, masc0442@gondor.sdsu.edu # # # Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? # I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, # whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use # to give me this value? # Use XtDisplayToApplicationContext() to retreive the application context. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long " 9487,4,"From: choo@ecs.umass.edu Subject: TechWorks -- What You Say? Lines: 19 Greetings!! I'm planning to upgrade my Mac IIsi: (1) from the present 5Megs to 17Megs; and (2) add a Math-Coprocessor. Technology Works, of Austin (Texas) comes quite highly recommended by some Mac magazines. I was just wonderring if anyone could share with me anything about Tech Works (both good and bad experiences); or give any advice about other mail-order companies that I may consider. Your reply would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely Peter Choo choo@sigma.ecs.umass.edu " 9488,6,"From: rebop@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Ulius) Subject: Newtek Video Toaster Link For Sale Keywords: Newtek Video Toaster Amiga Mac Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us I have a bout a dozen Newtek Video Toaster Links available. These connect Macs and the Video Toaster. List is $595, street price likely to be $495. I can sell them off for $425 including shipping anywhere.. Factory shrinkwrapped. Plus tax if in California. E-mail rebop or call 916 924-9911 M-F 8-5 if you would like further info. All Toaster and Toaster accessories and system components are available as well. -- ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ - Bob Ulius | rebop@well.sf.ca.us | (916) 338-4766 - ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ " 9489,2,"From: r8102009@ccms.ntu.edu.tw (Chia-Yi Lee) Subject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows?? Nntp-Posting-Host: ccms.ntu.edu.tw Organization: NTUTaiwan X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 S. Alavi (ssa@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote: : : I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode : (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode : the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a : way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to : excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to : MS Windows world. : : Thanks. : : (Please include this message for reference) : ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== : (919)515-8063 (W) As I can recall, you can click on the upper left button of dos window, then choose font to change. Also there is a demo window to show you in advance how the font you choose will affect the size of dos window. Make a try! " 9490,3,"From: craycrof@ruchbah.rtp.semi.harris.com (Bob Craycroft x629) Subject: [Q] ASUS Motherboards? Nntp-Posting-Host: ruchbah.rtp.semi.harris.com Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Research Triangle Park, NC Keywords: ASUS motherboard linux Summary: Seeking advice/experience with ASUS motherboards, eps. wrt linux Lines: 9 I'm considering the purchase of a 486DX-33 VLB system to run linux. The system has an ASUS-brand motherboard. Anyone have any comments on ASUS motherboards? Thanks, -- Bob Craycroft | craycrof@rtp.semi.harris.com Systems Analyst | Phone: (919) 549-3629 Harris Semiconductor - RTP, NC USA | " 9491,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 67 In article <1pq47tINN8lp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: (Deletion) > >I will argue that your latter statement, ""I believe that no gods exist"" >does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement >that ""no gods exist"" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't >know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then >(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than saying >I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the position, even >after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires faith. > No it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here that driving a car requires faith that the car drives. For me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I have in the premises and the argument used. >But first let me say the following. >We might have a language problem here - in regards to ""faith"" and >""existence"". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist. >To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE >being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not >exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless >to debate the so called ""existence"" of God - and that is not what >I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of >being. When you say that ""god does not exist"", I also accept this >statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However, >in what follows I will use the phrase ""the existence of God"" in it's >'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it. >I would like a clarification upon what you mean by ""the existence of >God"". > No, that's a word game. The term god is used in a different way usually. When you use a different definition it is your thing, but until it is commonly accepted you would have to say the way I define god is ... and that does not exist, it is existence itself, so I say it does not exist. Interestingly, there are those who say that ""existence exists"" is one of the indubitable statements possible. Further, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is already used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are implying more with it, in which case your definition and your argument so far are incomplete, making it a fallacy. (Deletion) >One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say >that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion >""based upon observation"", I will have to ask ""what observtions are >you refering to?"" There are NO observations - pro or con - that >are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. (Deletion) Where does that follow? Aren't observations based on the assumption that something exists? And wouldn't you say there is a level of definition that the assumption ""god is"" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway. So, where is your evidence for that ""god is"" is meaningful at some level? Benedikt " 9492,6,"From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Panasonic answering machine forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 3 Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with accessories. " 9493,1,"From: ianf@random.se (Ian Feldman, The Other Internet Worm[tm]) <1omb6fINNm7s@lynx.unm.edu> Content-Type: setext/plain; charset=ascii_827 Organization: random design -- ""Opinions, cheaply"" Lines: 138 Summary: formatted as two 69-line pages (use a monospaced font!) 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Vonda N McIntyre _Steelcollar Worker_; in Analog Nov'92; (blue-collar VR) Marge Piercy _Body of Glass_; Penguin'92, 584pp; (data piracy++) review \ finger ""books=Body_of_Glass%danny""@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au ---> David Pogue _Hard-Drive_; Diamond'93 $5, 304pp____________ 1-55773-884-X (*programmer dies in accident, leaves no documentation \ behind; software firms fight for market share with virii; \ ""right out of the pages of MacWorld"" --Steve Brock) Richard Powers _The Gold Bug Variations_; Morrow '91, (famous molecular \ scientist ponders on the ?why? of love, life in EDP dept.) Paul Preuss _Human Error_; (nanotech computer infects brain-damaged kid) Thomas J Ryan _The Adolescence of P1_; ACE'79_______________ 0-671-55970-2 (runaway AI experiment takes over mainframes, wrecks havoc) Bruce Sterling _The Difference Engine_; (with W Gibson) Bantam'91; finger \ ""books=The_Difference_Engine%danny""@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au Cliff Stoll _The Cuckoo's Egg_; (non-fiction but reads like one); review FTP ; /mac/tidbits/1991/tb048_18-Mar-91.etx Tom T Thomas _ME_; (""smart computers"") Vernor Vinge _Across Realtime_; Baen Books_____________ [several titles \ Vernor Vinge _Tatja Grimm's World_; Baen Books__________ soon available \ Vernor Vinge _The Witling_; Baen Books___________________ as Millennium \ Vernor Vinge _Threats and Other Promises_; Baen Books_____ Books in UK] Vernor Vinge _True Names & Other Dangers_; Baen Books'87___ 0-671-65363-6 Vernor Vinge _A Fire Upon The Deep_; Tor Books, 640p, $6___ 0-8125-1528-5 (""essentially about the future of the Internet"") John Varley _Press Enter_; (""Short story, gruesome, but good"") Ed Yourdon _Silent Witness_; (""Computer crime caper story; gumshoe \ has to explain intricacies of computer OS to girlfriend"") Herbert W Franke _Das Zentrum der Milchstrasse_; (""the center of the galaxy"") Herbert W Franke _Letzte Programmierer_; (""'the last programmer'; \ I do NOT mean Frank Herbert!"") Emil Zopfi _Computer Fuer 1001 Nacht_; Limmat Verlag, Switzerland Emil Zopfi _Jede Minute Kostet 33 Franken_; (last 4 in German; last 2 \ ""set in the commercial computing world of the early 70's"") ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- current version of this list via `finger ""scip+fi%danny""@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- compiled 930424; % mail -s ""additions/ comments/ updates --->"" ianf@random.se ================ ============================================= ============== Statistical breakdown -------------------------- +-- --------------------- SciP+Fiction -----+------------+------------------+ | # nominations /title ~~~~~~~~~~~~ /author # books nominated | +-- =========== ----------------------------+ =========== ================= + | 5 _The Adolescence of P-1_; Ryan | Vinge 10 6 titles | | 5 _Neuromancer_; Gibson | Gibson 10 5 titles | | 4 _True Names and Other Dangers_; Vinge | Ryan 5 _The Adolescence..| | 4 _Shockwave Rider_; Brunner | Brunner 4 _Shockwave Rider_ | | 4 _When H.A.R.L.I.E was One_; Gerrold | Gerrold 4 _When H.A.R.L.I.E.| | 4 _A Fire Upon The Deep_; Vinge | Hogan 3 3 titles | | 2 _Threats and Other Promises_; Vinge | Lem 3 _Fiasco_HMV_Solar.| +-- ----------------------------------------+ ----------- ----------------- + | # total nominations: 85; authors: 27; female: 5?6; sent in by: 42 readers | +======== ================ ============ ============ =======================+ Contributions by [unsorted FIFO]: ---------------------------------------- From: sbrock@teal.csn.org (Steve Brock) From: ""John Lacey"" From: malloy@nprdc.navy.mil (Sean Malloy) From: thom kevin gillespie From: Paul Christopher Workman From: kellys@code3.code3.com (Kelly Sorensen) From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) From: North_TJ@cc.curtin.edu.au (Tim North) From: LORETI@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Maurizio Loreti) From: Stephen Hart From: Duane F Marble From: Matthias Neeracher From: Wolfram Wagner From: webb@tsavo.HKS.COM (Peter Webb) From: setzer@ssd.comm.mot.com (Thomas Setzer) From: kevles@acf3.NYU.EDU (Beth Kevles) From: dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) From: hartman@uLogic.com (Richard Hartman) From: Vernor Vinge From: Paul Lebeau From: ""Lawrence Rounds"" From: phydeaux@cumc.cornell.edu (David Weingart) From: chgs02@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (By learning+courtesy) From: Rowan Fairgrove From: peterc@suite.sw.oz.au.sw.oz.au (Peter Chubb,x114,6982322,3982735) From: Gara Pruesse From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) From: jon@cs.washington.edu (Jon Jacky) From: eugene@nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) From: ""A.M.MAIR"" From: mengel@dcdmwm.fnal.gov (Marc Mengel) From: Roger Scowen From: kevino@clbooks.com (Kevin Oster -- System Administrator) From: chavey@cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey) From: Vonda McIntyre From: Bruce Sterling From: ""Scott Thomas Yabiku"" From: Thomas Adshead From: Paul Andrews <76050.161@CompuServe.COM> ===== ======================================= ---------> MUCHO thanks to all! __Ian ""The Other internet Worm[tm]"" Feldman " 9494,16,"From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 27 >In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes: >|> >|> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God >|> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about? >|> It was around 1969 in the Shenandoah Valley near Woodstock, Virginia. Me, my wife, a friend, his wife, and his 2 kids were hiking in a totally desolate mountain area. All of a sudden, large rocks began raining down on us. Looking up, we saw at least 3 punks gleefully letting loose rocks from what was an obvious stash. They were a couple hundred feet above us. Meanwhile, the women and kids were screaming and running for cover and the punks were shrieking with laughter. Me and my friend yelled for them to knock it off. They responded that we should ""Get f***ed!"". Me and my friend drew our pistols and fired a couple of times into the trees above their heads. They ran. With no more 3-5 pound rocks coming at our heads, we proceeded on our journey. Sorry, but me and my friend saw no need to let it evolve to a more ""violent"" level than we were already experiencing. I guess we should have tried harder to understand and cope with the anger that society had instilled in them and was driving them to do such things. Guess that's a cross I'll have to bear. Brad " 9495,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: >I somewhat agree with u. However, what it comes to (theist) religion, >it's a different matter. That's because religion is like a drug, once u >use it, it's very difficult to get out of it. That's because in >order to experience a religion, u necessarily have to have blind faith, >and once u have the blind faith, it's very diffcult for you to reason >yourself back to atheism again. >Therefore, it's unreasonable to ask people to try religion in order to >judge it. It's like asking people to ""try dying to find out what >death is like"". Well now, we can't judge death until we are dead right? So, why should we judge religion without having experienced it? People have said that religion is bad by any account, and that it is in no way useful, etc., but I don't totally agree with this. Of course, we cannot really say how the religious folk would act had they not been exposed to religion, but some people at least seemed to be helped in some ways by it. So basically, we can not judge whether religion is the right route for a given individual, or even for a general population. We can say that it is not best for us personally (at least, you can choose not to use religion--might be hard to try to find out its benefits, as you state above). keith " 9496,16,"Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 16 douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: [...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] > What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic > bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack? last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. jason -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` Democrat: Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,` `,` Republican: Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems. `,` `,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems. `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` " 9497,13,"From: sdbsd5@cislabs.pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) Subject: Intensive Japanese at Pitt Keywords: San Francisco Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 112 In article rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes: > > I was kind of half watching Street Stories last night > and one of the segments was about this doctor in > S.F. who provides a service of investigating treatment > for various diseases. I'm pretty sure his name is > Dr. Mark Renniger (sp?) or close to that. > Did anyone else watch this? I'd like to get his > correct name and address/phone number if possible. > Thanks. INTENSIVE JAPANESE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THIS SUMMER ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The University of Pittsburgh is offering two intensive Japanese language courses this summer. Both courses, Intensive Elementary Japanese and Intensive Intermediate Japanese, are ten week, ten credit courses each equivalent to one full year of Japanese language study. They begin June 7 and end August 13. The courses meet five days per week, five hours per day. There is a flat rate tuition charge of $1600 per course. Fellowships available for science and engineering students. Contact Steven Brener, Program Manager of the Japanese Science and Technology Management Program, at the University of Pittsburgh at the number or address below. ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. ####################################################################### ################# New Program Announcement ######################## ####################################################################### JAPANESE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM The Japanese Science and Technology Management Program (JSTMP) is a new program jointly developed by the University of Pittsbugh and Carnegie Mellon University. Students and professionals in the engineering and scientific communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in June 1993 and January 1994. PROGRAM OBJECTIVES The program intends to promote technology transfer between Japan and the United States. It is also designed to let scientists, engineers, and managers experience how the Japanese proceed with technological development. This is facilitated by extended internships in Japanese research facilities and laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop long-term professional relationships with their Japanese counterparts. PROGRAM DESIGN To fulfill the objectives of the program, participants will be required to develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of Japan and its culture. Correspondingly, JSTMP consists of three major components: 1. TRAINING IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE Several Japanese language courses will be offered, including intensive courses designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a relatively short time. 2. EDUCATION IN JAPANESE BUSINESS AND SOCIAL CULTURE A particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the cultural and educational basis of Japanese management approaches in manufacturing and information technology. Courses will be available in a variety of departments throughout both universities including Anthropology, Sociology, History, and Political Science. Moreover, seminars and colloquiums will be conducted. Further, a field trip to Japanese manufacturing or research facilities in the United States will be scheduled. 3. AN INTERNSHIP OR A STUDY MISSION IN JAPAN Upon completion of their language and cultural training at PITT and CMU, participants will have the opportunity to go to Japan and observe, and participate in the management of technology. Internships in Japan will generally run for one year; however, shorter ones are possible. FELLOWSHIPS COVERING TUITION FOR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE COURSES, AS WELL AS STIPENDS FOR LIVING EXPENSES ARE AVAILABLE. FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION MATERIALS CONTACT STEVEN BRENER SUSIE BROWN JSTMP Carnegie Mellon University, GSIA University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 4E25 Forbes Quadrangle Telephone: (412) 268-7806 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 FAX: (412) 268-8163 Telephone: (412) 648-7414 FAX: (412) 648-2199 ############################################################################ ############################################################################ Interested individuals, companies and institutions should respond by phone or mail. Please do not inquire via e-mail. Please note that this is directed at grads and professionals, however, advanced undergrads will be considered. Further, funding is resticted to US citizens and permanent residents of the US. Steve Brener " 9498,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine? Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 31 GB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) GB> >(I am excepting migraine, which is arguably neurologic). GB> I hope you meant ""inarguably"". Given the choice, I would rather argue . No arguments about migranous aura; in fact, current best evidence is that aura is intrinsicially neuronal (a la spreading depression of Leao) rather than vascular (something causing vasoconstriction and secondary neuronal ischemia). Migraine without aura, however, is a fuzzier issue. There do not seem to be objectively measurable changes in brain function. The Copenhagen mafia (Lauritzen, Olesen, et al) have done local CBF studies on migraine without aura, and (unlike migraine with aura, but like tension-type) they found no changes in LCBF. From one (absurd) perspective, *all* pain is neurologic, because in the absence of a nervous system, there would not be pain. From another (tautologic) perspective, any disease is in the domain of the specialty that treats it. Neurologists treat headache, therefore (at least in the USA) headache is neurologic. Whether neurologic or not, nobody would disagree that disabling headaches are common. Perhaps my fee-for-service neurologic colleagues, scrounging for cases, want all the headache patients they can get. Working on a salary, however, I would rather not fill my office with patients holding their heads in pain. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 9499,13,From: leisner@wrc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner 71348 ) Subject: Intravenous antibiotics Reply-To: leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me intravenous Acyclovir. It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral? marty 9500,12,"From: mtearle@gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Subject: Re: Looking for Electronics Dept Info in Austrailia Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr (Hojoong Kim) writes: >Hi Netters! >I am looking for the list of universities in Austrailia, which has electronics department. >I am considering to spend a year for research in Austrailia about communication area.ýé I am interested in Mobile communication areas and spread spectrum communications etc. >But I don't have any information about Austrailian Universities. >Can anybody recommend a good university in coûßmmunic÷³ation area? >Any comments will be welcomed! Can I suggest the University of Western Australia in Perth. The weathers great, the people are great and our Electronic Engineering department is great. I am a first year student here ... so I don't know much about what projects but I do know they have a good reputation in the fields of dsp and communications. Ever heard of QPSX? The people who own are ex-UWA ... so that gives an indication of what the department is like. For more information email: yianni@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au with the above request and he should be able to tell some more info or write Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering University of Western Australia Stirling Highway CRAWLEY 6009 Western Australia Australia Yours Mark mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au -- #***********************************************************************# # Mark Tearle | # # | # email: mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au | " 9501,4,"From: ""Michael T. Callihan"" Subject: ""Full page"" PB screen Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu Hi. I am working on a project for my marketing class and I'd like to ask your help. The assignment is to come up with a product and create a marketing plan for it. Technical issues are not terribly important at this point. Well, my group's plan is to market a ""full page"" monitor for laptop computers. It would be a third-party product to be installed by authorized repair centers (like Newer Technology's PaletteBook screen). The idea is that the screen would fold in such a way that you would get twice the screen height of a normal screen (remember, technical issues aside!). In fact, by adjusting the fold of the screen and the monitor configuration, you could have regular OR ""full"" height. The screen would probably be monochrome. The motivation behind this is that laptop computers seem to be very popular among business people. Business people also commonly use word processing and spreadsheet applications for which it is very convenient to see a large portion of the document. Because of the target users and applications, color screens aren't really a neccessity. We could hopefully keep the cost between $2000 and $3000. Now, please don't write this off as completely ridiculous. I really need some constructive feedback. So, if you would, please reply to me via email and let me know: 1. If you would consider buying a ""full page"" laptop screen 2. How much you would be willing to pay for it 3. Any helpful commentaries on the idea Also, if you take this idea and make a lot of money off it (doubtful, but who knows!), please send me some. Thanks in advance!!! -Mike " 9502,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: health care reform Article-I.D.: pitt.19409 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Mar28.200619.5371@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: >and may be a total disaster and that the Canadian model is preferable, a >position with which I agree. The other is surprising sympathy for the >physicians in all of this, to the effect that beating up on us won't >help anything. > I'm not sure about that. Did you see the ""poll"" they took that showed that most people thought physicians should be paid $80,000 per year tops? That's all I make, but I doubt that most physicians are going to work very hard for that kind of bread. Many wouldn't be able to service their med school debts on that. Mike Royko had a good column about it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9503,2,"From: joel@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Joseph Look) Subject: Bar code fonts Organization: Tektronix, Inc. Lines: 3 I am looking for some bar code fonts especially code 3 of 9. Did anybody know any ftp sites or BBS that I can download these types of fonts? Please email to me if you have any info. Thanks! " 9504,11,"From: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Reply-To: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si Distribution: inet Organization: J. Stefan Institute, Lj, Slovenia Lines: 61 In article , grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes: > Andrew Molitor (amolitor@nmsu.edu) wrote: > : > : 1) Monitor my phonecalls. > : 2) Monitor usenet. > : 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. > : 4) etc etc. > : > : This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't > : know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost > : all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', > : your claims about the NSA border on paranoia. > : > : Andrew ..... ..... ..... > > Or maybe the Germans should have been a little more 'paranoid' about > their Engima with respect to Turing and the British. > > How about the cracking of the Zimmerman telegram? Would a little > more paranoia have helped the Germans here? > > Maybe the NSA should have been a little more 'paranoid' about > Emma Woikin, or Joseph Sidney Petersen, Jr., or ... > > Maybe you want to talk about Macmillan publishers cooperation > with the CIA and NSA to suppress Yardley's Japanese Diplomatic > Secrets or even Kahn's The Codebreakers.. paranoia, right? > > The most popular cipher systems in captured soviet spies was > the one-time pad, even with the necessity of keeping incriminating > evidence about, is known to be the only proven unbreakable system. > Soviet paranoia, right? > > And what do you think the NSA does with its Wullenwebers? And > huge Rhombics pointed embassy row? And their sites near > satellite uplink and downlink sites? Duh. > ..... > -- > grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F > One case of Slovenian paranoia. Once upon a time a tried to walk over the (famous) Marathon field, not far away from Athens. I could not do that mostly becouse the field is now a huge antenna farm. Probably a Greek COMINT installation, would you agree? -- Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic J. Stefan Institute | Internet:Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199 SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request DOLGO SMOIS KALIS OVRAZ NIKEI NJIHK OCNOO DKRIL IVSEB IPIKA " 9505,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Lines: 460 In article <1993Apr19.010955.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: >> Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established >> a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two >> continents. >Before you go calling the kettle black, keep in mind that the >Turkish government was a strong supporter of Nazi Germany and >played a vital role in supplying it with oil until the Allies >invaded Iran. Complaining about Armenian complicity with the >Nazis does little good when Turkey played a much bigger role. Tell me, 'kmagnacca', were you high on 'Arromdian of ASALA/SDPA/ARF' when you wrote that? Humane behavior and tolerance of Turks was a legend even 500 years ago when they accepted tens of thousands of Jews from Spain who were fleeing from the Spanish Inquisition. Again, many Jewish families escaping from Nazi Armenians and Hitler's Nazi Germany took refugee in Turkiye during the 1940's. Turkish people have unselfishly given home, protection, and freedom to the Jews over the centuries, including to thousands and thousands of them during the Second World War. Get a life or a cup of Turkish coffee. ""History of the Jews in the Islamic Countries,"" chapters in Parts I and II, Jarusalem, Zalman Shazar Center for Jewish History, 1986. Baron, Salo W., ""A Social and Religious History of the Jews,"" New York, Columbia University Press, Vols. III, V, XVIII. Benardete, Mair Jose, ""Hispanic Culture and Character of the Sephardic Jews,"" New York, Sepher-Hermon Press, 2nd corrected edition, 1982 (original publication 1953). Lewis, Bernard, eds., ""Christians and Jews in the Ottoman Empire,"" New York, Holmes & Meier, 1982, Vol. I, The Central Lands. ""La Turquie dan les Archives des Grand Orient de France: les loges ...,"" in Jean-Louis Bacque-Graumont and Paul Dumont, eds., Economie et Societes dans L'Empire Ottoman, Paris, Centre National De La Reserche Scientifique, 1983. Inalcik, Halil, ""Turkish-Jewish Relations in the Ottoman Empire,"" 1982. Sevilla-Sharon, Moshe, ""Turkiye Yahudileri, Tarihsel Bakis,"" Jerusalem, The Hebrew University, 1982. Source: John Dewey: ""The New Republic,"" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9. ""Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it. And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians, and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..."" He also stated that: ""they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" TURKEY AND THE HOLOCAUST An interview with Stanford J. Shaw (History), who recently completed two books: The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic, and Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution, 1933-45. Shaw chairs the undergraduate interdepartmental degree program in Near Eastern Studies and has organized the Program for the Study of Ottoman and Turkish Jewry. He is affiliated with the G. E. von Grunebaum Center for Near Eastern Studies. Editor: How did you come to write these two books on Turkey and European and Turkish Jews? Shaw: Basically, I'm an Ottoman historian, but I'm also Jewish. I've spent twenty-five years studying Ottoman history, and as time went along, whenever I found materials on the Ottoman Jews, I collected them. But I never did anything with them until a couple of years ago, when I suddenly realized that 1992 was the 500th anniversary of the Jews being expelled from Spain and coming to Turkey. Then the Sephardic Temple down on Wilshire Avenue invited me to give a series of three lectures on Ottoman Jewry. These lectures were greatly appreciated, and I became motivated to undertake further research to develop a book, The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish) Republic. This book is quite different from the works of most Jewish historians, who tend to look at the Jews in any country more from the viewpoint of the Jews and the Jewish community, and rely mainly on Jewish sources. I view my subject as an Ottoman historian, and I approach the Jews of the Ottoman Empire largely from the point of view of Ottoman society, using largely Ottoman sources. After I finished this book and sent it to the press, I came across additional documents relating to Turkish Jews during World War II. In the completed book, I had said that Turkey had done a good deal to rescue the Jews during World War II, but I did not actually have many details. Then I found a batch of documents in the Foreign Ministry archive relating to actions taken by Turkish diplomats to help the Jews before and during the Holocaust. It was too late to add this new information to the book in press, so I decided to write a second book. I conducted further research, mainly in the archives of the Foreign Ministry in Ankara and the Turkish Embassy and Consulate in Paris. The result was the second book, Turkey and the Holocaust, which details how Turkey helped rescue Jews from the Nazis. - How exactly did they do this? The story takes place over a number of years. The book presents the material in three parts, first of which deals with the period before the Holocaust. When the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, they immediately started dismissing Jews and anti-Nazi Germans from universities, hospitals, scientific institutes, and the like. Turkey at that moment was just beginning the process of reforming its universities, and it saw in these Jews, who were being fired from their positions in Germany, a good source of new talent to help modernize the Turkish universities. Within three months after the Nazis started dismissing these Jews, Turkey arranged to take many of them in. They were brought to Turkey and were given appointments as professors in the Turkish universities, as heads of scientific institutes, and as medical personnel in hospitals. About 300 to 500 major Jewish professors came to Turkey in the 1930s. Ernst Reuter, a German political scientist, spent the war years teaching political science in Turkey. After World War II, he was mayor of Berlin during the Berlin Airlift. Fritz Neimark, a major German Jewish economist, came to Turkey and helped establish a modern school of economics in Istanbul. A man named Reichenbach, who was rescued from the Nazis by Turkey and spent the war years in Turkey, eventually came to UCLA, where he became a professor of philosophy. Other German Jewish emigres engaged in cultural activities in Turkey. One such was Karl Ebert, who had been a leading theatrical producer in Berlin until he was expelled by the Nazis. He went to Turkey, where he organized the Turkish National Theater and the Turkish National Opera Company in Ankara, with the help of Paul Hindemuth. So the first section of the book covers this first phase, when Jews were being persecuted in Germany and rescued by Turkey. Oddly enough, the German emigres, when they were in Turkey, did not seem to think too badly of Germany. They regarded themselves more as Germans than Jews, and they did not join in the anti-Nazi activities of the local Turkish Jewish community. I even found letters from the Nazi representatives to Turkey praising these German Jewish refugees for their work in promoting the idea of German culture. Even though these people had been persecuted by the Nazis and rescued by the Turks, they shared the Nazis' feelings of Aryan racial superiority over the Turks. The second part of the book deals with the Holocaust, which began in 1940 when the Nazis occupied France. In Europe at that time, and especially in France, there were about 20,000 Turkish Jews. They had migrated to Europe for various reasons from about the turn of the century onward. Most of them had settled in Europe during the Turkish war for independence after World War I, when Greece was threatening to overrun Turkey. The Greeks had persecuted the Jews throughout the nineteenth century, and the Jews feared what might happen to them if the Greeks took over in Turkey. Many Jews fled to France during the 1920s and 1930s. Many also abandoned their Turkish citizenship and became French citizens. Suddenly the Nazis invaded France in 1940 and started introducing all sorts of anti-Jewish laws. The Turkish Jews soon found that it was not worth very much to be a French Jew, but that it was worth a lot to be a Turkish Jew. - How so? Turkey remained neutral through most of World War II. It retained its embassies and consulates in all the Nazi-occupied countries until it finally entered the war on the side of the Allies at the end of 1944. During the war, therefore, Turkey was in a position to defend its citizens against anti-Jewish measures, and the actions that Turkish diplomats took form the second chapter of the book. Turkish diplomats who were stationed in France in particular intervened to protect Jews of Turkish citizenship from the Nazis. For those Turkish Jews who had retained their Turkish citizenship, there was generally no problem. If they were arrested and sent to a concentration camp, the Turkish diplomats would communicate with the commanders of the camp and other officials and say in effect: ""These people are Turkish citizens. You can't do this to them."" And the Turkish Jews would be released. If their businesses were confiscated, the Turkish diplomats would protest and the businesses would be restored. The Nazis in general wanted to keep the friendship of Turkey. They hoped to be able to use Turkey as a gateway for an invasion of the Middle East, and they also wanted to obtain chromium and manganese from Turkey. In order to keep Turkish friendship, they usually accepted these interventions on behalf of Turkish Jews. The Turkish diplomats sometimes went to the concentration camps to secure the release of Turkish Jews. At times they even boarded trains hauling Turkish Jews to Auschwitz for extermination and succeeded in getting them off the train. Most of the foreign Jews were sent to a concentration camp at a place called Drancy in Paris, and that's where most of the intercession by Turkish consuls took place. The greater problem came with the Turkish Jews who had abandoned their Turkish citizenship and had become French citizens. The consuls couldn't declare that these people were Turkish citizens because they were not. My book includes photographs of Jews lining up in front of the Turkish consulate, either to get passports to return to Turkey or to get a restoration of their Turkish citizenship. This was a bureaucratic matter, so processing the application would take some time. In the meantime it was a real emergency, because the Nazis would arrest Jews on the streets for almost nothing. The Nazis would even arrest them if they had radios or telephones in their apartments, because radios and telephones were forbidden to Jews. To take care of these former Turkish Jews, the Turkish diplomats invented a document called gayri muntazem vatandash, or ""irregular fellow citizen."" The document said in effect ""This person is a former Turkish citizen who has applied for the restoration of his Turkish citizenship. In the meantime we would appreciate it if you would treat him as if he were a Turkish citizen."" The diplomats wrote the document in Turkish and put their seals on it. Since the Nazis could not read Turkish, on the whole they accepted these papers as certificates of citizenship. By this means, the Turkish diplomats were able to rescue many Jews who had relinquished their Turkish citizenship. Actually the Nazis were of two minds about the Turkish defense of Jews. On the one hand the Nazi Foreign Ministry, which wanted to retain the friendship of Turkey, was in favor of accepting these interventions. On the other hand, Himmler and Eichmann wanted all Jews exterminated. At times Himmler and Eichmann were able to prevail and some of the Turkish Jews were sent off to Auschwitz before the Turkish consuls could do anything. - Do you have statistics on how many Turkish Jews were rescued? There were about 20,000 Turkish Jews in Europe before world War II, about 10,000 of whom were living in France. Most of the information in this section of the book relates to the situation in France. I have published the letters that the Turkish consuls sent to the Nazi officials and the letters that came back in reply. Generally the Nazis said that if the Turkish consul would present documents certifying that arrested individuals are Turkish citizens, and promise to send them out of France, the Nazis would release them from the concentration camp. The Turkish consuls also organized special trains to take Turkish Jews from Nazi-occupied territory back to Turkey. These trains ran regularly in 1943 and 1944. The Nazis gave the Turkish Jews visas so they could pass out of Nazi territory, but the trains were often held up by the Nazi-influenced governments of Eastern Europe - Croatia, Serbia, and Bulgaria - because these governments really didn't want the Jews to escape. As a result of the Turkish consuls' efforts, about 3,000 to 4,000 of the Turkish Jews in France were saved. Another 3,000 were sent off to Auschwitz, where most of them died. The remaining 3,000 either escaped across the border into Spain or fled to the area of southern France occupied by the Italians, who treated Jews much better than the Nazis did. At the end of 1943, however, Italy fell out of the war, and that was the end for those Jews as well. Incidentally, the Turkish diplomats in Nazi-occupied Greece also worked to rescue Jews in that country. - The second part of your book then deals with Turkish diplomats acting to rescue Jews of Turkish citizenship or Turkish origin from Nazi persecution. Yes, and there is an aside I might add here: In their interventions on behalf of Turkish Jews, the Turks cited their treaty with Germany which stated that Turkish citizens in German territory would be treated the same as German citizens in Turkey. On that basis the Turks maintained that the Nazis could not discriminate against Turkish citizens who are Jews. The Nazis claimed (and the Vichy government agreed) that they were not discriminating because they were treating all Jews equally. Turkey protested, saying, ""You are dividing our citizens according to religion, but the Turkish constitution requires that all citizens be treated equally, regardless of religion. Therefore, you cannot single out Turkish Jews."" American consuls in Paris, by contrast, accepted the Nazi argument and told American Jews who were being persecuted by the Nazis that they couldn't do anything about it, because the American Jews were being treated the same as other Jews. The third part of the book takes place in Turkey, which was the principal center during the Holocaust for activities aimed at the rescue of Eastern European Jews. The kwish Agency, an organization established by Jews in Palestine to help resettle Jews to Palestine, set up an office in Istanbul in 1940 under the leadership of Chaim Barlas. Other Jewish organizations in Palestine, especially the kibbutzes, also sent representatives to Istanbul to set up headquarters. These groups first tried to contact Jews in Eastern Europe to find out what was happening. Today we know about the Holocaust, but at that time people didn't know what was going on. They didn't imagine the Nazis could do the things they were doing. And so the first step was to get information, and the Turkish government let them use the Turkish mails to send letters to their relatives and friends in Eastern Europe. The Jewish organizations found out what was happening when they received replies. Later on when the Nazis began to intercept such letters, the Jews received assistance also from the Vatican nuncio, Angelo Roncali, who served as the Vatican representative in Istanbul from 1935 to 1944 and later became Pope John XXIII. As the Vatican representative during the war, he used the facilities of the Catholic Church to supplement what the Turkish government was doing to assist Jewish agencies in contacting Jews in Eastern Europe. With the cooperation of the Turkish government, these agencies then sent hard currency, food, clothing, and even railroad and steamship tickets to Jews in Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary. They weren't able to help much in Poland because by then the Nazis had wiped out almost all the Polish Jews. Whenever possible the rescue agencies arranged for the Jews to get out of Eastern Europe either by train through the so called Orient Express route to Istanbul, or by boat through the Black Sea to Istanbul. Turkey was not eager for all these refugees to remain within its borders during the war, because it was being blockaded and was suffering terrible shortages of food and clothing. The government, therefore, facilitated the movement of the non-Turkish Jewish refugees from Turkey to Palestine, either by the Taurus Express Railroad through the mountains to Syria and Palestine, or by small boats across the eastern Mediterranean from southern Turkey to Palestine. These efforts were bitterly opposed not only by the Nazis, but also by the British, who did not want any more Jewish immigration to Palestine because they feared it would hurt their relations with the Arabs. The British constantly pressured the Turkish government to stop this traffic and send those Jews back. In a few cases the Turkish government, yielding to British pressure, did send the boats back. For example, in one incident, the steamship Struma, with some 700 Jewish refugees from Romania, was sent back by the Turkish government as a result of the intervention of the British ambassador. When that ship was sunk by a Soviet submarine, all were lost except one person. Nevertheless, all told, the Turkish government allowed no fewer than 100,000 Eastern European Jews to pass through Turkish territory and move on to Palestine during the Second World War. The Turkish authorities also provided these refugees with facilities and money, and gave them permission to send money and food out of the country. - Many of these Jews who passed through Turkey may still be living in Israel. Yes, and their children. But let's return for a moment to the first group, the Turkish Jews who came from Europe. They did not go on to Palestine; they stayed in Turkey. It was the non-Turkish, Eastern European Jews who passed through Turkey en route to Palestine. Their story is very interesting. - And you have rescued it from obscurity. Many studies have been made of the Holocaust, but most of them do not focus on the Eastern European or Middle Eastern Jews. Most of the scholarship has centered on the Western European Jews, of whom 6 million were massacred by the Nazis. My study deals with a much smaller number of people. I have tried to round out the picture, and I hope my book will persuade other scholars to undertake further investigations in the history of Eastern Jews. When it comes to numbers, the German Jews were also relatively small in number. Most of the millions slain were Polish Jews. The rescue of 100,000 Eastern European Jews may not seem so significant compared with the total of 6 million who were murdered, but it meant a lot to those who were saved. About three-fourths of the book consists of documents - translations of many documents. They are included because the story is not well known. Not only are people in the West unaware of the courageous actions of the Turkish diplomats; even the people of Turkey did not know the story. I felt that they would not fully understand this remarkable achievement unless they could see the documents. - What languages are used in the documents? Most of them are in Turkish or French; some are in Hebrew. There is a great deal of material in Hebrew about the organization of the boats going to Palestine, the passengers, and so on, but I did not go into those details extensively. I describe mostly what Turkey did, so most of my documents are in Turkish or French. A few documents are in English. The Jewish groups in Istanbul did not necessarily cooperate with one another to rescue Jews; in fact, they often fought with one another. They took turns trying to get the Turkish government to deport rival groups. For example, some of the kibbutz groups felt that the Jewish Agency was run by Western European Jews who were interested only in helping Western European Jews. Finally, in 1944, President Roosevelt sent a personal representative, Ira Hirschman, who had been an executive of Bloomingdale's department store in New York City, and Hirschman managed to reconcile their differences. The documents related to his mission are in English. I also obtained many documents from Serge Klarsfeld, a Holocaust historian in France, who mainly worked on the French Jews. (His father was killed by the Nazis.) He gave me materials he had gathered in the German archives on the Turkish Jews, so I didn't personally consult the German archives. I believe that much more can be learned from the German archives, and I hope someone someday will make the effort. - This new book fits in well with your teaching, doesn't it? Right. I'm giving a course on the history of the Jews of the Ottoman Empire. I first gave the course two years ago. In addition to research, writing, and teaching, I've been actively involved in the commemoration of the 500th anniversary of the coming of the Jews to the Ottoman Empire. Among other things, I helped organize a large international conference on the subject which was held in Istanbul in 1992. - Now that your books are finished and the conference has taken place, what do you plan to do next? I'm working on two new books. One is a history of the Turkish War for Independence, which took place after World War I, during the years 1918 to 1923. The Turks warded off the efforts of the victorious European powers to occupy Turkey and end its independence. The second book is a study of Sultan Abdul Hamid II, the last major sultan, who ruled from 1876 to 1909. He was an important modernizer in his own way, although he also suppressed all sorts of political movements. Stanford J. Shaw received a B.A. in History and an M.A. in British History. He then shifted to Near Eastern History, earning a second M.A. and a Ph.D. at Princeton. As a doctoral candidate at Princeton, he spent two years abroad, studying at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London; the University of Cairo, the American University at Cairo, and the University of Istanbul. He taught at Harvard before coming to UCLA in 1966. His postdoctoral research has been supported by the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Research Institute in Turkey, the Social Science Research Council, the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Fulbright Program, and ISOP. He has received honorary degrees from Harvard University and Bosporus University, Bebek, Istanbul, Turkey, and medals of honor for lifetime contributions to the fields of Islamic and Turkish studies from the Center for Research in Islamic History, Art, and Culture in Istanbul and from the American Friends of Turkey in Washington, D.C. In addition to undertaking many professional service activities and public lectures in both the United States and Turkey, Shaw has also produced eight books and one edited volume. His History of the Ottoman Empire and Modem Turkey (2 vols.) has been published in many editions (six editions or reprints from 1977-1991), and translated into Turkish (1983, 1991) and French (1984). His book The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic (MacMillan, London, and New York University Press, 1992) will be published in Turkish translation by the Turkish Historical Society, Istanbul. His Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution, 1933-1945 will be published by Macmillan Publishers, London, and New York University Press in 1993. A pamphlet summarizing the book was published in Ankara, Turkey, in 1992. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 9506,5,"From: fwr8bv@fin.af.MIL (Shash Chatterjee) Subject: xrolo/SPACRC/SunOS4.1.1/audio Organization: The Internet Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert%expo.lcs.mit.edu@fin.lcs.mit.edu Could some one please send me (or tell me where to ftp from) the patches required for xrolo so that I can compile-in the SPARCStation phone-dialing feature? I am using SunOS 4.1.1, and therefore don't have ""multimedia/libaudio.h"" or ""multimedia/audio_device.h"" and associated functions. Just in case, our mail gateway only accepts msgs < 45Kb. Thanks in advance, Shash. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Shash Chatterjee EMAIL: fwr8bv@fin.af.mil + + EC Software PHONE: (817) 763-1495 + + Lockheed Fort Worth Company FAX: (817) 777-2115 + + P.O. Box 748, MZ1719 + + Ft. Worth, TX 76101 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9507,6,"From: dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () Subject: Quantum SCSI 40mb Hard Drive For Sale Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 Hi, I have a Quantum ProDrive LPS 40 MB SCSI hard drive for sale. It came with my MacIIsi and was replaced by a larger hard drive. In great working condition. Fast and quiet. Never had a problem. Asking $100+COD shipping or reasonable offer. Also for sale with the drive: Brand new mounting bracket for MacII or MacSE. It also includes SCSI data and power cable. $10 with the HD. Please reply with email or call (217)337-5710 and leave message. Thanks. Ding-Kai Chen dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu uiuc.classifieds uiuc.classifieds.computer misc.forsale misc.forsale.computer misc.forsale.computer.mac misc.forsale.computer.other misc.forsale.computer.pc-clone " 9508,2,"From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) Subject: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Summary: Where can I ftp it? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 7 Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since it's not a .drv file. Thanks Alec Lee " 9509,5,From: EEI.EEIIHY@memo.ericsson.SE (353-1-2800455) Subject: help Organization: The Internet Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: XPERT@EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU --- Received from EEI.EEIIHY 353-1-2800455 93-04-26 12.28 -> VAX.XPERT..EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET help 9510,17,"From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 46 In article <22APR199307534304@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country, >> rather than the third world] >>I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying >>that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to >>Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider >>unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to >>the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. >I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military >intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed >to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was >not nearly as risky. Based on the same reasons? You mean you were opposed to US intervention in Somalia because since Somalia is a European country instead of the third world, the desire to help Somalia is racist? I don't think this ""same reason"" applies to Somalia at all. The whole point is that Somalia _is_ a third world country, and we were more willing to send troops there than to Bosnia--exactly the _opposite_ of what the ""fixation on European countries"" theory would predict. (Similarly, the desire to help Muslims being fought by Christians is also exactly the opposite of what that theory predicts.) >>For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to >>help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If >>the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are >>less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? >>Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? >Well, one thing you have to remember is, the press likes a good story. Good >for business, don't you know. And BTW, not ""everyone"" wants to help the >side that is less like us. I'm referring to people who want to help at all, of course. You don't see people sending out press releases ""help Bosnian Serbs with ethnic cleansing! The Muslim presence in the Balkans should be eliminated now!"" (Well, except for some Serbs, but I admit that the desire of Serbs in America to help the Serbian side probably _is_ because those are people more like them.) -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) " 9511,12,"From: marrevola@rediris.es Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: > Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: > > : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company > : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by > : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets > : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. > > Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man > named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation > of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. > > : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus > : our use of the Ohms... > > I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. Are you (two) joking? Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)? Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing ""the pink colored resistor"", only for electronics working females ;-) -- Manuel Arrevola Velasco ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es ||||| DoD #1033 " 9512,7,"From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah) Subject: Re: new saturn argument Article-I.D.: wuecl.1993Apr6.225025.13054 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 78 Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 In article rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: > >ok, how about this to argue about. why does the sl2 have a much lower base >price than the sc2??? it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount). >doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that >are in the 4 door???? perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the >2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k??? Ok, here's what I understand: The SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2 was meant to compete with the following cars: Honda Civic Toyota Tercel (SL,SL1) Toyota Corolla (SL1,SL2) Nissan Sentra Mazda 323/Protoge' Subaru Loyale/Impreza Isuzu Stylus Geo Prizm Ford Escort Mercury Tracer Mistubishi Mirage Plymouth/Dodge Colt Their core competition is the Civic, Corolla, and Sentra. Most of the other models are in the same class, but aren't the first cars you would think of. I threw in the Escort/Tracer because it has a good amount of Japanese technology and has similar reliability stats. I didn't include domestic small cars such as the Cavalier, Sunbird, Shadow, Sundance, Tempo, and Topaz, since I think Saturn is going after cars that have at least some degree of Japanese roots. The SC1/SC2 was meant to compete against the following cars: Toyota Paseo Honda Civic Si/Civic Coupes/del Sol Si Nissan NX1600/NX2000 Mazda MX-3 Isuzu Impulse Geo Storm Ford Escort GT If you look at the prices of these cars, they're more expensive than they're 4-door counterparts. The is good reason for this. It is a more upscale and trend-driven market. Even though many of these models are based on sedan platforms, their interior, etc. is good enough to warrant slightly higher prices. Here are some of the platform derivations I can think of: Tercel -> Paseo Sentra -> NX1600/NX2000 Civic -> del Sol 323 -> MX-3 (not sure on this one) Stylus -> Impulse/Storm To illustrate, a Tercel starts at around $8000, while the Paseo starts at around $11,000. Even a 4-door Tercel will cost less than a 2-door Paseo. Now, you might be saying that the Tercel doesn't offer the power that some 4-doors offer. What I mean is that there is no 4-dr Tercel with a comparable powerplant as its sport coupe derivative. Let's take another example: the Isuzu Stylus XS and Impulse XS/Storm GSi. Both have the same powerplants (a 1.6L 140hp engine), but the smaller 2-dr coupes are generally more expensive. Again, this is because the two-door sport coupe market is a more fashion-oriented and trend-setting segment. People are willing to pay more money for this type of car. In short, even though the SC1/SC2 may be smaller, hence ""less"" car, it's market orientation dictates a slightly higher price than its mechanically equivalent sedan (SL1/SL2) version. I hope this clears things up a bit...... Mihir Shah " 9513,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: An agnostic's question Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 23 perhaps you can tell your friend that you feel pressured by his continual discussions of this topic -- surely he doesn't feel you should be _pressured_ into something you feel uncomfortable about (since christianity should be a choice one should make on one's own). please also realize that he is doing this out of friendship -- he probably feels you are missing out on something great, and wants to tell you about it. but since you know where you can learn about christianity, you can tell him that it is now up to you to make that choice, and if the choice is no, you should be respected for that. personally i believe that a christian's mission is just to be christ-like, showing his/her own faith and happiness in that faith, and make sure people know they are welcome to talk to you about it. i do not believe in imposing your beliefs upon others -- but then again everyone's definitions of ""imposing"" may differ. i hope i have made myself clear.... if not, please correct me! :) vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ******************************************************************************* " 9514,2,"From: rudim@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Rudi Maelbrancke) Subject: EMM386.EXE and Windows and Dos6 Nntp-Posting-Host: piaget.cs.kuleuven.ac.be Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen Lines: 17 In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 recommended me to do that (32bit access). If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K. I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX, Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?) I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for DOS using a windows programming environment. Rudi " 9515,8,"From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 23 In article mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes: > >>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco >>to Seattle? And how much might it cost? > >I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a >really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all. >Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel >bill... > Yes! Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5. Really nice most of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways. Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as possible in the Oregon coast range once... -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Berkey howard@netcom.com Help! ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... " 9516,6,"Subject: 20"" Color TV San Diego From: louis@netlink.cts.com (Louis Cornelio) Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA Lines: 23 ========== 20"" COLOR TV ============= San Diego Mesa College Area Emerson M20R w/ ""high-tech"" square screen BEST PRICE YOU features: timer/sleep feature for auto- shut on/off CAN FIND FOR A fully cable ready w/ all coaxial video audio jacks 20-INCH COLOR TV MTS (multichannel sound jack) for processing stereo or bilingual channels $ 170.00 FIRM 19 key remote includes review, recall, sleep features ============================================== tel 619-278-8779 please reply to lcornel@eis.calstate.edu for fastest response! -Louis -- //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Louis Cornelio GEnie:L.Cornelio ""The better the technology, | | louis@netlink.cts.com the less efficient the human use of it."" | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////////////// " 9517,12,"From: yxy4145@ucs.usl.edu (Yu Yingbin) Subject: Does someone know what is the news group for IEEE. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette Distribution: usa Lines: 2 yxy4145@usl.edu Thanks a lot. " 9518,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Exploding TV! Organization: Megatest Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 39 In article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes: >I had a GE Emerson 13"" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day, >while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause), >we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound, >so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon >the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV. >The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service >only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah.. > Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one >(we wanted a bigger one too!). > After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated >incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but >not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? > I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any >idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV). > Heh, heh, heh, heh....I laugh because I have the same damn TV, and it did the same thing! Actually it is a Goldstar, but it's essentially the same TV and electronics--just a different face plate and name. #1. Fortunately, TV tubes don't explode. I'd think the TV mfrs want to make this possibility remote as possible. If at all, they'll *implode* and the glass that blows out would be the result of the glass boucing off the back of the tube due to the implosion. In any case, don't kick it around! :-) #2 I fixed the TV after getting a hold of some schematics. It turned out to be a blown 2W resistor feeding the flyback transformer. I guess the original resistor was a bit too small to dissipate the heat it created, burning itself out. I checked to make sure the flyback wasn't shorted or anything first! Oh, luckily, I had a resistor handy lying around that had just the right value for what I needed. I can't see it being more than 50 cents!. Well, needless to say, the TV still works today. So go get a set of schematics and have some fun...just don't get shocked poking around the flyback. " 9519,3,"From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) Subject: Re: HELP! Installing second IDE drive Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University Lines: 55 In article <1qn627$iv@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes: >Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, >I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been >trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since >my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] >He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number >but I can find out.) >Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get >one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both >at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - >never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction >sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS >correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the >master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't >know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers >properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). >The only thing I can think of is maybe I'm doing the cabling wrong. I've >tried several combinations: >controller - master - slave >controller - slave - master >master - controller - slave >None of them worked. Unfortunately, I can't think of any others. >Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into >two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for ""C: drive"" and ""D: >drive"" setup info rather than ""drive 1"" and ""drive 2"" like most others >I've seen. Could this be confusing things? >So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some >info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper >about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one >of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so >it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost! >Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have >two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! >-- >----------------------- >William Barnes SURAnet Operations >wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax >Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me. I've been told by our local computer guru that you can't do this unless you perform a low level format on your existing hard drive and set your system up for two hard drives from the beginning. I took him at his word, and I have not tried to find out any more about it, because I'm not going to back everything up just to add another HDD. If anyone knows for sure what the scoop is, I would like to know also. Thanks in advance also. Bill Willis " 9520,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had > expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a > direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God > is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable. > Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to > God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the > age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is > repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just > for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile > alike. Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 9521,2,"From: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar Driver for v3.1 Nntp-Posting-Host: next02cville.wam.umd.edu Reply-To: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 21 In article <116005@bu.edu> rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee) writes: :-> :-> I am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond :-> Speedstar 1MB video card. Does anybody know of an archive :-> site that has these? I looked at CICA and it had drivers for :-> the Stealth card and for Generic ET4000 cards but not one :-> specifically for the Speedstar. Is there one? Or has Diamond :-> dropped the Speedstar out of the driver development loop. :-> I just looked at CICA yesterday and noticed that they didn't have anything, but I seem to remember seeing something at WUARCHIVE in the /mirrors/msdos/windows3 directory. I think I got my 3.1 drivers from America Online though. --------------------------------------------------------------------- mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu is Marc Meltzer President of The Meltz Inc ""Our job is to play games. Our hobby is to consult."" " 9522,16,"Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center From: Subject: Re: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director's Statement...) <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> <1r3dvnINNr29@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Lines: 6 Has anyone noticed or commented on the fact that so many of those who were willing, nay demanding, that we wait forever for Mr Hussein and Iraq, that we use tremendously costly ""sanctions"", to avoid a loss of life, are now at the fore front of those clammoring that we should have smashed those ""religious radicals"" and we were wasting money allowing this stand off to go on ? How the worm turns when the sect changes. " 9523,15,"From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 52 atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu writes: > Hello, > I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on > the newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. > Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy... > 1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. True to a point. If you were to ask a Buddhist atheist... > 2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death > is unfair. > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, > eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no > reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad > enough. Actually, yes and no, Hell is eternal death. Actually, the way I've had it related to me, it's more of an eternal damnation, where sinners will feel the licking flames of Hell. If I supposedly can feel these flames, I would assume I'm still alive, but suffering and away from God. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since > the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think > that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus > with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these state- > ments as metaphorical. I believe Jehovah's Witnesses have a similar view, where the body sleeps for ever... I don't have a problem with being condemned to Hell either. The way I see it, if God wants to punish me for being honest in my skepticism (that is, for saying he doesn't exist), He certainly wouldn't be changing His nature. Besides, I would rather spend an eternity in Hell than be beside God in Heaven knowing even one man would spend his ""eternal life"" being scorched for his wrongdoings... Stephen _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz... -- " 9524,18,"From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Summary: Whatever you say. Lines: 96 In article <15389@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > > You mean, since your philosophy took over, the economy has almost > > > collapsed. > > Excuse me, *my* philosophy? You don't have any idea what *my* philosophy > > is. The American economy has had its ups and downs through a number of > > prevailing economic philosophies. But then, economics is hardly a science. > In my lifetime, your philosophy -- socialism masquerading as a liberal > welfare state -- has been in ascendancy. Yo--earth to Clayton--*my* philosophy? I have never discussed this with you. I know it's a minor point, but, gee, dude, you have no idea what economic and political principles I adhere to. But don't let that stop you--you're on a roll. Just ascribe to me whatever you want--I know you'll choose wisely. After all, I *do* believe in personal responsibility. > > No, I mean exactly what I wrote--the welfare system of the New Deal is > > wholly inadequate to cope with the current state of affairs. > Absolutely. So the response of socialists is take us even further > into socialism. Duh. What else would you *expect* a socialist to do? > > > Flash-in-the-pan? No, your subculture has utterly dominated the > > > TV and movie industries for two decades now. > > *My* subculture? My, we're getting personal. The only subculture I see > > dominating the TV and movie industries is *money*. If you'll buy it, > > they'll sell it. And as recent movements to boycott TV advertisers have > > shown, they're *very* sensitive about what sells. Whatever happened to > > personal responsibility, anyway? Or am I personally responsible for > > the decline in that, too? > To the extent that people have been encouraged to NOT be responsible > for themselves, yes. (a) Just when and where have I encouraged people not to be responsible for themselves? Be specific--but do make up random dates and heinous acts as you see fit. (b) You and I have encouraged many people to do many things. How does that in any way make our audiences less responsible for their actions? Is there a finite amount of responsibility, so (cf. conservation of energy) as I become more responsible for an occurrence by encouraging it the actual perpetrator becomes correspondingly less so? At what point does the perpetrator become completely innocent altogether? You know, this lends a whole new meaning to the term ""the moral high ground"". > > > Oddly enough, all the unskilled or semiskilled people I know manage > > > to find employment almost immediately. Maybe she needs to move to a > > > cheaper part of the country, where jobs are plentiful, and the cost > > > of living is lower. > > The west side of Chicago is about as cheap as it gets--squalor city. > > Tell me about all these places where it's cheap to live and jobs are > > abundant--I'll pass them on. > Sonoma County. I will pass the info on. Out of curiosity, what kind of jobs would these be? What's the demographic mix wrt race, age, culture? > > lots of employment, and utterly surrounded by socialists. Well, I suppose > > that's the sort of environment that would attract socialists, or at least > > not dissuade them. > No, it's that areas with a lot of wealthy breed socialists -- all the > spoiled rich kids, feeling guilty about their wealth. But not guilty > enough to give it away -- they just look for politicians to take MY > more limited wealth away. Life's a bitch, ain't it? Man, you've got to get out of Fornicalia--have you considered someplace perhaps geographically distant but politically more friendly to you, like, say, Indiana? Or maybe Utah? > > Well, I doubt that much of this goes to drugs--there isn't much left after > > buying food, and there is very little in the first place. Sure, you read > > about such cases now and then, but that's what makes them news. Show me > > your statistics about AFDC abuse. > I can tell you that relatives I have known, the drugs came first, the > food was secondary. I don't doubt it, but unless you can show me statistics to the contrary I will persist in my apparently dogmatic socialist belief (hey, if *you* say so) that most AFDC money really does--for better or worse in the long term--feed FDCs. *** *** Ken Perlow ***** ***** 16 Apr 93 ****** ****** 27 Germinal An CCI ***** ***** gadfly@ihspc.att.com ** ** ** ** ...L'AUDACE! *** *** TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE! ENCORE DE L'AUDACE! " 9525,10,"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!DIR Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 18 > Someone give SportChannel a call (or maybe Ted Turner). > Wasn't USA network covering the playoffs years ago? > > Jim G. Oh to be back in the good old days when I lived in Florida (Florida for Petes sake!!) and could watch hockey every night as ESPN and USA alternated coverage nights. Oh well I guess it would be too simple for the home office to look back into their past to solve a problem in the present... Of course I shouldn't complain. At least I'm getting to watch the playoffs for a change. (Hooray!!) Now if the ESPN schedulers will realise there are other teams except Pittsberg in the Patrick. (Sounds like a Dr Suess Book =) KOZ LETS GO CAPS!! " 9526,10,"From: ""William K. Willis"" Subject: Don Cherry - help me out, here Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu As a person who has rarely even SEEN Don Cherry and doesn't know anything about him, I don't know whether it is just this area (Pittsburgh) of the USA that is ""deprived"" of his broadcasts or whether he's a Canadian thing altogether. Seriously, what is he all about? I know he was a coach at one time, and from the volume of posts about him, SOMEONE surely is getting a steady diet of him somehow, but my question is, what is the deal with him? Secondly, are the comments of his that I read about on the net merely flame bait, or do people actually take him seriously? I gotta tell you, from what I see, he really sounds like an ass. Let me know - maybe I'm missing something. " 9527,18,"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu In kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >> 1) So what? >So this bolsters the contention that many homosexuals are liars. This statement is just so blatantly disgusting and free of any implicit neural activity that I will almost completely ignore it. >> -- >> ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . >> \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . >> \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . >The above smacks of antiHispanic bigotry. Sigh. It's so amusing to watch bigots point fingers at what they imagine to be other bigots. I do believe this person meant ""bean *counting*"". And are you trying to suggest that only Hispanics eat beans? Or that they even have a monopoly on eating beans? Or that this person is seriously promoting what is obviously a tongue-in-cheek .sig? You must have a brain somewhere, if you can cause your fingers to type. Use it. Drywid -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes " 9528,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.161112.21772@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: |> I don't think ""extra-scientific"" is a very useful phrase in a discussion |> of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. Extra-rational |> is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases |> of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. Yeah, but the problem with holding up the ""extra-rational"" examples as exemplars, or as refutations of well founded methodology, is that you run smack up against such unuseful directions as Lysenko. Such ""extra- rational"" cases are curiosities -- not guides to methodology. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 9529,18,"From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () Subject: Re: The Evidence Organization: Santa Cruz Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu In article <15177@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <113567@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: >> In article cjk@netcom.com writes: ># #If homosexuals did keep themselves in the privacy of their own home, this ># #wouldn't be a problem. However, there are various 'cliques' (sp?) that ># #don't. They want to present the argument that it is just as moral and ># #right as heterosexuality. ># ># You know, I'm offended by newspapers publicly announcing weddings. ># Heterosexuals should keep their nutpials out of the public eyes. They ># should be banned from wearing wedding rings. From having legal recognition ># of marriage. ># ># Anything that's public and sexual don't mix. > >The difference, of course, is that we are right, and you are wrong. >If you are a minority that wants freedom, it helps to not be >obnoxious about it. It does not surprise me that as groups like TRANSLATION- you minorities stay in predesignated areas. We the majority are 'right', anything you do is 'wrong', since might makes right, and the majority always rules. >Queer Nation become increasingly belligerent in their public >demonstrations, that violence against homosexuals rises. Anything >that reminds the crazies who like to beat up homosexuals of their >presence is going to aggravate things. Oh- crime prevention at its best. Well let's extrapolate this, maybe if you didn't display all of your private property, then those nasty theifs wouldn't go after it. And don't carry any money, that way those muggers won't bother you. > >And you still don't realize that either way it is, says that homosexuals >are very dangerous to children. > ># ># So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? > >The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. The sexual >predatory component that glorifies the pursuit of ""candy-ass"" and >""hairless cocks"" in the words of Le JoJo, the typical homosexual. Oh I did not know that Le JoJo is a typical homosexual. Stop making statements about something you know nothing about, that is gay people. You make your sweeping generalizations with no grounding in reality. What I hope is not true- That you are a typical heterosexual. Anyone want to comment on this? And if you are typical then I can start extrapolating a lot of interesting conjectures about heterosexuals. >-- " 9530,2,"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: George Washington University Distribution: usa Lines: 27 > > >>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV > >Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >How do you convert this to a bit map??? You're supposed to delete everything above the ""cut here"" mark, and below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but *I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line. could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong? thanks,i.a., Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) " 9531,7,"From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance cars, but I haven't seen any public responses. What are people's experiences with these cars? Daryl Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura " 9532,12,"From: ritterbus001@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Subject: Re: Picking up cable tv with an aerial. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT In article , dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Tony stewart) writes: > jfsenior@unix1.tcd.ie (John Senior) writes: > >> Recently, I discovered that it was possible to receive cable >> tv through the telescopic aerial on the top of my tv. >> The nearer this aerial is moved to the cable (which I am not >> connected to) which runs under the eaves of the house the better >> the signal. Now, I was wondering how can I improve the signal? >> Is it possible to improve the signal significantly? (some channels > > CABLE EGRESS or emanations if you will are being radiated at free space > impedance from cables that may be harmonically realated to certain > channels and therfore the standing waves at 1/4 wave will transfer > efficiently. Also your antenna (a loose monopole) is also harmonically > tuned and will be more efficient at 1/2 wavelength multiples. > > Your best bet for this research is to use a tuned YAGI antenna to get the > gain you need. (Std TV roof antenna type) The dipoles should be parallel > to the radiating cable. A pre-amp doesn't help significantly in my > experience in most cases. > > dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca > The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 Wow, what a concept! Does anybody want to speculate on how this ""non-connection"" would fit into the theft of cable services laws? It seems to me that unless this case is specifically written into the legislation that the cable company would not have a leg to stand upon in court. Does anybody out there have any specific legal knowledge on this? Jim Ritterbusch ritterbus001@wcsu.ctstateu.edu - or - ne22@radiomail.net (temp, rf) There is an art, the Guide says, or rather a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " 9533,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 81 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: |> |> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: |> |> |> |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel |> |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking |> |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects |> |> innocent lives? |> |> Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using |> civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the |> buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it |> further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just |> kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to |> the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... ""GETTING BACK"" |> ...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least |> it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of |> civilians. If you recall, a subject was raised some weeks ago that touched upon this. When someone claimed that guerillas were manifestations of popular sentiment, the topic arose:""When does a civilian stop becoming a civilian?"". If he houses and shelters guerillas of his own free will, aiding them, has he violated his ""civilian"" status? |> |> What? So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states |> |> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will |> |> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the |> |> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their |> |> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way |> |> Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of |> |> tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". |> |> If Israel is not willing to accept the ""word"" of others then, IMHO, it has |> no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. But don't you see that the same statement can be made both ways? If Lebanon was interested in peace then it should accept the word of Israel that the attacks were the cause for war and disarming the Hizbollah will remove the cause for its continued occupancy. Afterall, Israel has already staged two parts of the withdrawal from areas it occupied in Lebanon during SLG. |> Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been |> disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does |> not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up |> Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. Of course, if Israel would withdraw |> from Lebanon and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't |> make the Lebanese so mad as to do that. Furthermore, with Hezbollah |> subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible. That is not exactly true. The Hizbollah and their affiliated groups have made several attempts to infiltrate the border of Israel. |> |> It has not. Without the support, and active involvement, of Syria, |> |> Lebanon would not have been able to accomplish all that has occurred. |> |> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain |> |> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel. |> |> Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border? |> Not lately, eh? |> |> Israel knows very well that the Syrians are able to restrain ALL who would use |> territory under their control to attack Israel. While Lebanon would be better |> off with Syria and Israel out of its borders, the presence of Syrian troops |> in Lebanon has meant a sharp decrease in attacks on Israeli territory (not on |> Israeli troops in Lebanon, however. Please note the distinction) in the |> past two years. True, but the Syrians did allow (until at least 1984) guerillas to operate in the areas that were under their control, provided that those guerillas were attacking Israeli lines. The problem is that Syria is also not as stable a partner for long term peace as others in the area might be. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 9534,1,"From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) Subject: Re: XV for MS-DOS !!! Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] NOE-MAILADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch wrote: > I'm sorry for... > 1) The late of the answer but I couldn't find xv221 for msdos 'cause > I forgot the address...but I've retrieve it.. > 2) Posting this answer here in comp.graphics 'cause I can't use e-mail, > ^^^ not yet.... > 2) My bad english 'cause I'm a Swiss and my language is french.... ^^^ If french is your language, try counting in french in stead, maybe it will work better.... :-) _______________________________ / _ L* / _ / . / _ /_ ""One thing is for sure: The sheep / _) /()(/(/)//)) /_ ()(/_) / / Is NOT a creature of the earth."" / \_)~ (/ Joachim@kih.no / / /_______________________________/ / -The back-masking on 'Haaden II' /_______________________________/ from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp. " 9535,11,"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 23 douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: > > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just > call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic > emmisions from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to > protect yourself from TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as > far as I know. are LCD displays vulnerable to tempest? > If the new regime comes to fruition, make sure you protect your First > Amendment rights by asserting your Second Amendment Rights. i'll second that. jason -- ""I stood up on my van. I yelled, `Excuse me, sir. Ain't nothing wrong with this country that a few plastic explosives won't cure!'"" - Steve Taylor, I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` " 9536,4,"From: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com Subject: Centris 650 Math CoProcessor option Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Sorry if this is a FAQ. I don't normally read comp.sys.mac.hardware. I am purchasing a couple of Centris 650's. I configured the systems as follows: Eight (8) Mb RAM Ethernet 1 Mb VRAM Math CoProcessor option My purchasing agent told me about the math coprocessor option and sent me the Apple summary documentation to prove it. I ordered the coprocessor option, but I'm really not sure that we needed it. I thought the '040 chip had a math coprocessor built into it. Has Apple had a math coprocessor chip architectured to keep up with the speed of the '040 chip in the Centris 650? I am concerned that I may have set up a hardware bottleneck. Please send your responses to: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com. I will summarize if there is enough interest. Thanks! -- David Guevara, Internet: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com " 9537,4,"From: DICKG@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Dick Grant) Subject: Memory in Plus&SE Organization: Temple University Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 I have to increase the memory in a Plus or SE (I'm not sure which since I haven't seen it yet). I did this a few years ago but I no longer have the instructions. I forget which resistor needs to be cut to go from 1 to 4 Mbs. Can anyone direct me to this information? Is there an ftp'able doc some- where with diagrams? Thanks, Dick Grant " 9538,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <1qmtl1$71r@gondor.sdsu.edu> cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Riyadh Al-ha jmoosa) writes: >kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >> Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study >> (discrediting Kinsey) says so. >> -- >> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis >> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu >> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis >> as this would hold such views??? | > > My understanding from my psycology classes is that the percentage is > more like 10-12% world wide. I would really like to know your source > for the 1-2% figure. > > Riyadh Moosa. > SDSU-Chemistry. > cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Some survey conducted by the U.S. government and some group (I don't know which) did what they were calling on all the news shows this morning, ""The most comprehensive survey of sexuality in the past 50 years"". Not an exact quote, but you get the idea. This low percentage is merely one more in a ton of evidence disproving the 10% theory. Ryan " 9539,7,"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: armory.1prve9$1aa Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) writes: >ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) >This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without >spilling or having someone hold on to them. I agree. Six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me thirsty, especially for something with caffeine. I consider it a failing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup holder. jim frost jimf@centerline.com " 9540,12,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Where to buy parts 1 or 2 at a time? Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 15 The pricing of parts reminds me of something a chemist once said to me: ""A gram of this dye costs a dollar. It comes out of a liter jar which also costs a dollar. And if you want a whole barrel of it, that also costs a dollar."" I.e., they charge you almost exclusively for packaging it and delivering it to you -- the chemical itself (in that particular case) was a byproduct that cost almost nothing intrinsically. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 9541,1,"From: dstampe@psych.toronto.edu (Dave Stampe) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Lines: 27 sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) writes: >>>>[...], but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. >>>A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >>To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, [...] > >Hi, I've come across a fast triangle fill-draw routine for mode 13h. By >calling this routine enough times, you have a fast polygon drawing routine. > >I think I ftp'ed from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/programming. >I have a copy of it so I reupload it there. The triangle.txt file has this >to say : > >> C and inline assembly source for a VGA mode 13h triangle drawer. > Another source: There's a poly blitter for mode y (mode x in 320x200) at sunee.uwaterloo.ca. Also there is REND386, an even faster 3D renderer with VR extensions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | My life is Hardware, | Dave Stampe | | my destiny is Software, | dstampe@psych.toronto.edu | | my CPU is Wetware... | dstampe@sunee.uwaterloo.ca | | Am I a techno-psychologist, or just a psycho-engineer ?? | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9542,12,"From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes) Subject: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ? Organization: Unix in NYC Distribution: na Lines: 16 I need to reduce the speed of a Boxer fan by about 30-50%. I recall reading somewhere that the right capacitor in series will do it. If this isn't a case of brain fade, can someone suggest the cap value ? The specifics; It's a real Boxer Fan (tm). The label says 115 V, .2 amps. Al Dykes -------- adykes@jpr.com " 9543,1,"From: lex@optimla.aimla.com (Lex van Sonderen) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Nntp-Posting-Host: emerald Organization: Philips Interactive Media of America Lines: 20 In article erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes: >> better than CDI >*Much* better than CDI. Of course, I do not agree. It does have more horsepower. Horsepower is not the only measurement for 'better'. It does not have full motion, full screen video yet. Does it have CD-ROM XA? >> starting in the 4 quarter of 1993 >The first 3DO ""multiplayer"" will be manufactured by panasonic and will be >available late this year. A number of other manufacturers are reported to >have 3DO compatible boxes in the works. Which other manufacturers? We shall see about the date. >All this information is third hand or so and worth what you paid for it:-). This is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-). Lex van Sonderen lex@aimla.com Philips Interactive Media " 9544,2,"From: lei@rtsg.mot.com (Peter P. Lei) Subject: DOS 6 vfintd.386 and Windows sys.ini Nntp-Posting-Host: accord4 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 11 Does anyone know what the vfintd.386 device is used for in windows 3.1? It's under the [386enh] section as device=c:\dos\vfintd.386 After upgrading to dos 6 on several machines (different types), some include it, some don't. Any ideas? pl " 9545,0,"From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) Subject: Victims of various 'Good Fight's Organization: Cured, discharged Lines: 30 In article <9454@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) writes: > LIST OF KILLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION > 1. Iran-Iraq War: 1,000,000 > 2. Civil War in Sudan: 1,000,000 > 3, Riots in India-Pakistan in 1947: 1,000,000 > 4. Massacares in Bangladesh in 1971: 1,000,000 > 5. Inquistions in America in 1500s: x million (x=??) > 6. Crusades: ?? 7. Massacre of Jews in WWII: 6.3 million 8. Massacre of other 'inferior races' in WWII: 10 million 9. Communist purges: 20-30 million? [Socialism is more or less a religion] 10. Catholics V Protestants : quite a few I'd imagine 11. Recent goings on in Bombay/Iodia (sp?) area: ?? 12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million > -- Naren The Desert Brat -- John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/ Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |""It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | ""God's name is smack | |understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some."" | |produce it."" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains | +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ " 9546,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 20 In article kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) writes: > That brings up an interesting point. Anyone else catch ESPN's piece about >prospects and the relationship between age, career length, MVPs and Hall of >Fame members? It was part of their preseason special. Wow. ESPN can repeat eleven-year-old Bill James research. (Literally. Check the 1982 Abstract.) > It was the most impressive thing I've seen on ESPN in recent memory. Perhaps in 2004 they'll be as reliable as an average SDCN. > I guess Ray Knight makes his rebuttal tonight. Oops, maybe not. -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal " 9547,1,"From: oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto) Subject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP Organization: ICGEB Lines: 33 CBW790S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext (Corey Webb) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.160944.20236W@baron.edb.tih.no> >havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) writes: >> >>Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame >>of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other >>picture formats. >> > > If you have the GRASP animation system, then yes, it's quite easy. >You simply use GLIB to extract the image (each ""frame"" in a .GL is >actually a complete .PCX or .CLP file), then use one of MANY available >utilities to convert it. If you don't have the GRASP package, I'm afraid >I can't help you. Sorry. > By the way, before you ask, GRASP (GRaphics Animation System for >Professionals) is a commercial product that sells for just over US$300 >from most mail-order companies I've seen. And no, I don't have it. :) > > > Corey Webb > There are several public domain utilities available at your usual archive site that allow 'extraction' of single frames from a .gl file, check in the 'graphics' directories under *grasp. The problem is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome! Let me know if you have problems locating the utilities. Hope it helps. -- Jacques Oberto " 9548,1,"From: cst@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Caroline Tsang) Subject: Graphics Library Package Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.051201.9535 Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh Lines: 15 Hi all, I am looking for a recommandation on a good royalty free graphics library package for C and C++ program. This is mainly use to write children games and education software. I heard someone mentioned Genus and also GFX ? Are they any good? Please pardon me if my question sounds a little strange, I am asking this question for a friend. Thanks in advance! Caroline Tsang " 9549,15,"From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 32 In article dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: >Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference >between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e. >regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an >absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance? > > They sound like one and the same to me. > > I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words I'm not surprised that you see no wisdom in them. That is because your premises are wrong from the word ""Go"". You claim that Christianity is based on blind faith, but this simply is not so. Just look at the current thread on the evidence for Jesus' resurrection for evidence that Jesus was real and that he triumphed over death. Furthermore, you say that Christians hold to their beliefs ""regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary."" Without any evidence to support your claim, this statement is little more than an ad hominem argument. Mind you, I don't mean this as a personal attack. I'm merely pointing out the intellectual dishonesty behind condemning Christianity in this fashion. It would make much more sense if you could prove that all Christians do base their belief on empty nothings, and that they do ignore all evidence to the contrary. Only then can you expect your attack to make sense. -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. " 9550,11,"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 25 The Clipper Chip will have no effect. Current generation PCs, portable and desktop, all have analog voice -> digital voice and vice versa capabilities. So, I only need a modem output to the telephone, and I can interpose any encryption screen on my voice traffic I want. Not even a big deal, but it will pass muster if the have a way of checking whether I am using their Clipper Chip encryption without a full decoding. I have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually dishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously refrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting clients. Now, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning as a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics (truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics (truth is understanding the external world). Maybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8) Lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). " 9551,13,"From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine In article , geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > In article jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) writes: > >> >>From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, >>ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. >> >>From Page 10, >>.. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, >>homeopathy was included as an officially approved method >>of treatment. > > I was there in 1976. I suppose it must have died out since 1946, > then. Certainly I never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in > the employ of the NHS. Perhaps the law codified it but the authorities > refused to hire any homeopaths. A similar law in the US allows > chiropractors to practice in VA hospitals but I've never seen one > there and I don't know of a single VA that has hired a chiropractor. > There are a lot of Britons on the net, so someone should be able to > tell us if the NHS provides homeopaths for you. > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think they provide homeopaths, heck the heir apparent was trying to promote Osteopaths to the ranks of eligibility a couple of years back... It pleased my family no end, since I'm at an Osteopathic school, sort of validated it for them...then I told them that the name was the same but the practice was different....oh. If you're seeking validation for your philosophy on the strength of the national health service adopting it, I suggest that you are not very sure of the validity of your philosophy. I believe in 1946, the NHS was still having its nurses taught the fine art of ""cupping"", which is the vacuum extraction of intradermal fluids by means of heating a cup, placing it on the afflicted site and allowing it to cool. I wouldn't take my sick daughter to a homeopath. David N. Chorley *************************************************************************** Yikes, I'm agreeing with Gordon Banks ************************************************************************** " 9552,6,"From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser) Subject: *** TurboGrafx-16 system for sale *** Distribution: na Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu For sale: NEC TurboGrafx-16 video game system. Package includes: * Base unit: with power supply, TV hookups, controller, and the games ""Keith Courage in Alpha Zones"" and ""Ordyne"". * One extra controller * TurboTap: let's you hook up as many as 5 controllers to the TG16. * All original packaging, manuals, etc. for the above items. * The games TV Sports Football, Alien Crush, Splatterhouse, and Takin' it to the Hoop. Current market price for the above system is approximately $130. Asking price is $75. System was purchased in January of this year, and has seen little use since then. If interested, contact me via one of the methods in my signature file! //===================================================================\\ || Chris Freemesser, RIT CpET (( Visit Rochester, New York: || ||""Where money is the #1 prioRITy"" )) Home of the world's largest || || Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu (( collection of potholes! || || GEnie: C.FREEMESSER )) || \\===================================================================// " 9553,14,"From: Andrew Rogers Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? X-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:03:51 GMT Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr20.120311.1@pa881a.inland.com> Don Schiewer, schiewer@pa881a.inland.com writes: >What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the ""face"" and heard >associated theories. (which sound thin to me) > >Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? >Does anyone buy all the life theories? try alt.alien.visitors " 9554,0,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Benediktine Metaphysics Lines: 24 Benedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority: > IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST. ""Contradictory"" is a property of language. If I correct this to THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in description are merely failures in description. (I'm not an objectivist, remember.) -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" " 9555,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of >mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a >neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve >gas on his/her property. That really depends upon where you draw the line while defining these weapons, and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of modern practice five months or five centuries down the road. I'll give you a little hint: see that manure pile in the farmer's field down the road? In the USA, that is a weapon of mass destruction, biological in nature, because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water. So, where do *you* draw the line? In the USA, the EPA has ruled that a pile of scrap iron is illegal. Care to draw a thinner line this time? < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 9556,4,"From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu In article <27837.2BD08C3A@zeus.ieee.org> Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) writes: >I believe it goes or will go: >680060 >powerPC >Pentium >680040 >486 >680030 >386 >680020 >286=680000 > I think this kind of comparison is pretty useless in general. The processor is only good when a good computer is designed around it adn the computer is used in its designed purpose. Comparing processor speed is pretty dumb because all you have to do is just increase the clock speed to increase speed among other things. I mean how can you say a 040 is faster than a 486 without giving is operational conditions? Can you say the same when you are running a program that uses a lot of transidental functions. Knowing that 040 does not have transidental functions building in to its FPU and 486 does, can you say that 040 is still faster? Anyway, I hope people do not decided upon wether a computers is good or not solely on its processor. Or how fast a processor is based on its name, because one can alway do a certain things to a processor to speed it up. But if we restrict our arguements to, for example, pure processor architectural issues. Or how one processor will work well and another will not based on its design, then we can get somewhere with our discussions. - Chung Yang >In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was > slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed > for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie > quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. > Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system > at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the > speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think > it laps the pentium. > >pro-life pro-women > > >-- >=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= > Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org " 9557,10,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't >care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball >doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, >that is). MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to defect first. Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey players, until the political situation in those countries changed. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 9558,14,"From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr20.001757.7543@bby.com.au>, gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes: > In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: > >> Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >> who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a >> year. > > And with $1B on offer, the problem of ""keeping them alive"" is highly > likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! > > ""Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they > all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents."" > > ""Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've > got a tank! Man the guns!"" > > One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that > sort of environment..... > > Greg. > > (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is > that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness > military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a > reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk > proposition.) > - > Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Hey! My dad has an old hangar and Judy has some old rockets in her attic, let's put on a Lunar program! . . . Sounds good, but . . . Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward? What companies would have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat? Just where in the budget would the reward come from? Should there be a time limit? Would a straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . . exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea. I'd like to play but I don't have a clue to the answers. Tom Freebairn | He who refuses to understand math | will probably never get his checkbook figured out. " 9559,9,"From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) Subject: Re: David Wells Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr5.124526.10219@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes: >Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their >anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto! They did. For $950K. Jim " 9560,6,"From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor) Subject: [SNES] Games for sale/trade Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK. Lines: 29 I have the following games for sale or trade for other SNES (or Genesis/MegaDrive games): (all have instructions and box except where stated) SFC: Mickeys Magical Quest (no instructions) A.Suzukis Super GrandPrix Legend of the Mystical Ninja UK SNES: Out of this World / Another World Super Soccer US SNES: Krustys Fun House Irem Skins Golf Super Tennis (currently under offer) I will sell for US$ for UK pounds. Cheers Jonathan -- ___________ |onathan Phone: +44 524 65201 x3793 Address:Department of Computing '-'________ Fax: +44 524 381707 Lancaster University E-mail: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster, Lancs., U.K. " 9561,7,"From: bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (Andrew Bernstein) Subject: Re: GEICO mechanical breakdown insurance Organization: MOTOROLA Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.149.38 Lines: 36 In article rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: @>In article <1993Apr4.010517.9701@lds.loral.com> mcculloc@sps204.lds.loral.com (Thad McCulloch) writes: @>> @>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended @>>warranty plan. It seems to be slightly less expensive than @>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy. @>> @>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and @>total ripoff period!!!! you are better off taking your money and putting it @> in a bank and using that money for repairs. many extended warranties never @>pay or have co-payments etc. @> How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving money or don't want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs.... It may work for some people...... Andrew -- Andrew Bernstein Motorola Inc. ""There's no such thing as sanity, 1299 E. Algonquin Road and that's the sanest fact"" Schaumburg, IL 60196-1077 ---- Dire Straits bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (NeXT mail OK) " 9562,8,"From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 13 bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes: >............. Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards >of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days. I think you have to go a little further back. This opinion comes from riding CB750's GS1000's KZ1300's and a V-Max. I find no enjoyment in riding a V-Max fast on a twisty road. -- Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu 722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks 606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD " 9563,1,"From: leyfre@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frederic Leymarie) Subject: Re: Developable Surface Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada Lines: 38 In article , h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk (Abel) writes: |> Hi netters, |> I am currently doing some investigations on ""Developable Surface"". |> Can anyone familiar with this topic give me some information or sources |> which can allow me to find some infomation of developable surface? |> Thanks for your help! |> Abel |> h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk A developable surface is s.t. you can lay it (or roll it) flat on the plane (it may require you to give it a ""cut"" though...) E.g., a cylinder, a cone, a plane (of course!) or any surface or patch having vanishing Gaussian (intrinsic) curvature (i.e., with singular Hessian, the matrix of 2nd derivatives for an adequate coordinate patch) are ""developable"". In more technical words, a developable surface is ""locally isometric to a plane"" at all points. Think also of the sphere (or the earth) which in a non-developable: whatever way(s) you cut it, you will not be able to lay flat any pieces of it... (its intrinsic curvature is nowhere vanishing). For more details on this look at any book on differential geometry which treats surfaces (2D manifolds); e.g., M. do Carmo's book: @Book{Carmo76Differential, author = {do Carmo, Manfredo P.}, title = {Differential Geometry of Curves and Surfaces}, year = 1976, publisher = {Prentice-Hall}, note = {503 pages.}} Enjoy! -- Frederic Leymarie -- leyfre@mcrcim.mcgill.edu McGill University, Electrical Eng. Dept., McRCIM, | Tel.: (514) 398-8236 3480 University St., Montreal, QC, CANADA, H3A 2A7. | FAX: (514) 398-7348 " 9564,13,"From: liny@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (Nemo) Subject: Bates Method for Myopia Reply-To: lin@ray.met.fsu.edu Distribution: na Organization: SCRI, Florida State University Lines: 22 Does the Bates method work? I first heard about it in this newsgroup several years ago, and I have just got hold of a book, ""How to improve your sight - simple daily drills in relaxation"", by Margaret D. Corbett, ('Authorized instructor of the Bates method), published in 1953. It talks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise. Has there been any study on whether this method actually works? If it works, is it by actually shortening the previously elongated eyeball, or by increasing the lens's ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the too-long eyeball? Since myopia is the result of eyeball elongation, seems to me the most logical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process, i.e., shorten it somehow (preferably non-surgically). Has there been any recent studies on this? Where can I find them? I know RK works by changing the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of eyeball, but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the eyeball back to its correct length that would be even better (Bates's idea, right?) Thanks for any information. " 9565,4,"From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch) Subject: Re: HELP! Duo 230 problems Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 76 bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) writes: >chess@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Vantuyl Chess) writes: >> I just got a Duo 230, and I'm having some difficulties. >>If the machine is plugged in to the wall adapter, put to sleep, >>unplugged from the wall, and woken up, it crashes 75% of the time. >>(There's nothing but the original system software on the machine.) >>The battery has plenty of life - I think this must be a power manager >>problem, but I don't know what to do about it. >>Also, the speaker occasionally makes a high-pitched hiss. The noise >>is irregular, but seems to favor sleep and restart commands. >I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both >of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice >in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were >system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system >seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to >wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on >the screen - it freezes. >I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at >startup. >I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times >already and finally they agreed something is astray after my >Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by >itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured >twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in >New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't >afford to be without my Duo at this time. >Anyone out there with these same problems? >-- >Brian Cherkas * * bcherkas@netcom.com > I >AOL/BrianC22 \_/ compuserve/71251,3253 >Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA Yes, quite a number of people it seems from discussions I've had (me included). I bought my machine a couple of weeks ago as well and started to experience these problems. Apple Australia via my dealer said that this problem has a number of potential causes - Faulty applications, faulty third party hardware (modems, memory etc), system software, PRAM corruption and power manager corruption, and the Duo hardware itself. None of the above are relevant in my case except the last two maybe (no applications were running, the system software was re-installed, I have no additional hardware). I have found that clearing PRAM appears to help for a while at least (hold down command option P and R on startup). Unfortunately the problem returns suggesting that PRAM is being corrupted by something (system software bug ? - I don't have any non-issue inits in my system). Apparently the Power Manager can be reset by ""holding the reset and interrupt buttons while powering up"" - Apple's advice - but since the Duo does not have an interrupt button I'm not sure what they mean in this case. This may also help if someone can decipher Apple's advice for me. Beyond this Apple suggest that "" you should follow the technical procedures to check the hardware of this Duo"". Since so many others appear to be having the same problem it would seem to me that there has been a system software bug introduced somewhere along the line - and quite recently too - since it only seems to be recent Duo 230 purchasers who have this problem. Any more comments from others in the same boat are welcome, particularly Apple Duo engineers :-) cheers brucet -- bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au ***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers*** " 9566,5,"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Subject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (2 of 2) Expires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Distribution: world Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 1409 Keywords: ioccc We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of groups. Sorry for the cross posting. Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines. (See the diff marks at the right hand edge) The rules and guidelines for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry about these changes. chongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com Larry Bassel lab@sun.com =-= #!/bin/sh # This is part 02 of a multipart archive # ============= mkentry.c ============== echo ""x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c && X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.25 4/5/93 15:58:08 */ X/* X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X */ X/* X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry X * X * usage: X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry X * X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file X * X * compile by: X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry X */ X/* X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992. X * X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. X */ X/* X * WARNING: X * X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry. X * X * FOR MORE INFORMATION: X * X * You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address: X * X * ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for X * judges@toad.com submitting entries) X * X * Questions and comments about the contest are welcome. X * X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address X * above and use the subject 'send rules'. X * X * One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: X * X * host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) X * user: anonymous X * pass: yourname@yourhost X * dir: ~/pub/ioccc X * X * As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email X * to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', X * where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. X * X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR X * define below matches this current year. X */ X X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X X/* logic */ X#ifndef TRUE X# define TRUE 1 X#endif /* TRUE */ X#ifndef FALSE X# define FALSE 0 X#endif /* FALSE */ X#define EOF_OK TRUE X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE X X/* global limits */ X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */ X#define START_DATE ""1Mar92 0:00 UTC"" /* first confirmation received */ X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */ X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */ X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */ X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting X whitespace and {}; not followed by X whitespace or EOF */ X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */ X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */ X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */ X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */ X X/* where to send entries */ X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 ""...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"" X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 ""obfuscate@toad.com"" X X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */ X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff]) X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */ X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */ X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */ X#define UUBUILD_NAME ""build"" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */ X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */ X#define UUPROG_NAME ""prog.c"" /* name for the program's uuencode file */ X X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */ Xchar encode_str[256+1] = ""`!\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_""; X X/* global declarations */ Xchar *program; /* our name */ Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */ X X/* forward declarations */ Xvoid parse_args(); Xvoid usage(); XFILE *open_remark(); XFILE *open_build(); XFILE *open_program(); XFILE *open_output(); Xvoid output_entry(); Xvoid output_remark(); Xvoid output_author(); Xvoid output_info(); Xvoid output_build(); Xvoid output_program(); Xvoid output_end(); Xint get_line(); Xvoid output_till_dot(); Xint col_len(); Xvoid check_io(); Xvoid uuencode(); X Xmain(argc, argv) X int argc; /* arg count */ X char **argv; /* the args */ X{ X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */ X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */ X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */ X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */ X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */ X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */ X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */ X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */ X X /* X * check on the year X */ X start_time = time((long *)0); X tm = gmtime(&start_time); X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n"", X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year); X } X X /* X * parse the command line args X */ X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname); X X /* X * open/check the input and output files X * X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same X * as one of the input files. X */ X output = open_output(oname); X remark = open_remark(rname); X build = open_build(bname); X prog = open_program(pname); X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) { X exit(1); X } X X /* X * output each section X */ X output_entry(output, oname); X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname); X output_author(output, oname); X output_info(output, oname); X output_build(output, oname, build, bname); X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname); X output_end(output, oname); X X /* X * flush the output X */ X if (fflush(output) == EOF) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: flush error in %s: "", program, oname); X perror(""""); X exit(2); X } X X /* X * final words X */ X printf(""\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n"", X oname); X printf(""correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n""); X printf(""correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n""); X printf(""This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n""); X printf(""cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n""); X printf(""It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n""); X printf(""the current rules.\n\n""); X printf(""Email your entries to:\n""); X printf(""\t%s\n"", ENTRY_ADDR1); X printf(""\t%s\n\n"", ENTRY_ADDR2); X printf(""Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n""); X printf(""\tioccc entry\n\n""); X /* all done */ X exit(0); X} X X/* X * parse_args - parse the command line args X * X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command X * line syntax is correct. X */ Xvoid Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname) X int argc; /* arg count */ X char **argv; /* the args */ X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */ X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */ X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */ X{ X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */ X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */ X int i; X X /* X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand. X */ X program = argv[0]; X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) { X X /* determine the flagname */ X if (argv[i][0] != '-') { X usage(1); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X flagname = (int)argv[i][1]; X X /* determine the flag's operand */ X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') { X optarg = &argv[i][2]; X } else { X if (i+1 >= argc) { X usage(2); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } else { X optarg = argv[++i]; X } X } X X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */ X switch (flagname) { X case 'r': X *rname = optarg; X break; X case 'b': X *bname = optarg; X break; X case 'p': X *pname = optarg; X break; X case 'o': X *oname = optarg; X break; X default: X usage(3); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X } X X /* X * verify that we have all of the required flags X */ X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) { X usage(4); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X return; X} X X/* X * usage - print a usage message and exit X * X * This function does not return. X */ Xvoid Xusage(exitval) X int exitval; /* exit with this value */ X{ X fprintf(stderr, X ""usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n"", program); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n""); X exit(exitval); X} X X/* X * open_remark - open/check the remark file X * X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_remark(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */ X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */ X X /* X * open the remark input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open remark file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * look at each line X */ X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) { X X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */ X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, "" "", 4) != 0) { X ++non_indent; X } X X /* count long lines */ X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) { X /* found a line that is too long */ X ++toolong; X } X } X X /* watch for I/O errors */ X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); X X /* note long lines if needed */ X if (toolong > 0) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n"", X program, toolong, filename); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", X program); X } X X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */ X if (non_indent > 0) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n"", X program, non_indent, filename); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", X program); X } X X /* return the open file */ X rewind(stream); X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_build - open/check the build file X * X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_build(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ X X /* X * open the how to build input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * determine the size of the file X */ X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE); X return(NULL); X } X X /* return the open file */ X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_program - open/check the program source file X * X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must X * be <= 1536 bytes. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_program(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ X int count; /* special count size */ X int c; /* the character read */ X X /* X * open the program source input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open program source file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X exit(7); X } X X /* X * determine the size of the file X */ X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars X */ X count = 0; X c = 0; X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) { X /* look at non-whitespace */ X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) { X switch (c) { X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */ X case '}': X case ';': X /* peek at next char */ X c = fgetc(stream); X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) { X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */ X ungetc(c, stream); X ++count; X } X break; X default: X ++count; X break; X } X } X } X X /* watch for I/O errors */ X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); X X /* look at the special size */ X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n"", X program); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n"", X program); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n"", X program, filename, count); X return(NULL); X } X X /* return the open file */ X rewind(stream); X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_output - open/check the entry output file X * X * This function returns NULL on open error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_output(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X X /* X * open the ioccc entry output file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""w""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X exit(8); X } X X /* return the open file */ X return(stream); X} X X/* X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_entry(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */ X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ X int entry=0; /* entry number */ X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */ X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */ X char skip; /* input to skip */ X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */ X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */ X char *p; X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---entry---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the rule year X */ X fprintf(output, ""rule:\t%d\n"", RULE_YEAR); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* determine if this is a fix */ X printf(""Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ""); X printf(""previous entry (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X if (buf[0] == 'y') { X fprintf(output, ""fix:\ty\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X printf(""\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n""); X printf(""are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n""); X } else { X fprintf(output, ""fix:\tn\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* X * write the title X */ X printf(""\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n""); X printf(""followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n"", X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1); X printf(""It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n""); X printf(""incorporate your username; in the\n""); X printf(""case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n""); X printf(""of the authors.\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X do { X /* prompt and read a line */ X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) { X printf(""\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ""); X continue; X } X X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */ X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) || X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) { X printf(""\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X ok_line = 0; X } else { X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { X if (!isascii((int)*p) || X !(isalnum((int)*p) || X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) { X printf(""\ninvalid character in the title\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X ok_line = 0; X } X } X } X } while (ok_line <= 0); X fprintf(output, ""title:\t%s"", title); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the entry number X */ X printf(""\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n"", X MAX_ENTRY); X printf(""enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: "", MAX_ENTRY-1); X do { X /* get a valid input line */ X fflush(stdout); X ret = fscanf(stdin, ""%d[\n]"", &entry); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X /* skip over input until newline is found */ X do { X skip = fgetc(stdin); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X if (skip != '\n') { X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */ X entry = -1; X } X } while (skip != '\n'); X X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */ X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) { X printf( X ""\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n"", X MAX_ENTRY-1); X printf(""enter the entry number: ""); X } X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1); X fprintf(output, ""entry:\t%d\n"", entry); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the submission date X */ X /* returns a newline */ X epoch_sec = time(NULL); X fprintf(output, ""date:\t%s"", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec))); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the OS/machine host information X */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""host:""); X} X X/* X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */ X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */ X{ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */ X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---remark---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * copy the remark file to the section X */ X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) { X fputs(buf, output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK); X X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */ X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') { X fputc('\n', output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X} X X/* X * output_author - output the ---author--- section X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section. X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_author(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */ X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */ X X /* X * prompt the user for the author section X */ X printf(""\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n""); X printf(""%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n"", START_DATE); X printf(""will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n""); X X /* X * place author information for each author in an individual section X */ X do { X X /* write the start of the section */ X fprintf(output, ""---author---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the author */ X printf(""\nAuthor #%d name: "", ++auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nname too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""name:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the organization */ X printf(""\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf(""\nAuthor #%d org: "", auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""org:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the address */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf(""your country and do not include your name.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""addr:""); X X /* write the Email address */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf( X ""a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n""); X printf(""forms, list them one per line.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""email:""); X X /* write the anonymous status */ X printf(""\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? "", X auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""anon:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* determine if there is another author */ X printf(""\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X if (buf[0] == 'y') { X more_auths = TRUE; X } else { X more_auths = FALSE; X } X } while (more_auths == TRUE); X return; X} X X/* X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s) X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section. X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_info(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */ X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */ X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */ X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */ X X /* X * prompt the user for info information X */ X printf(""\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n""); X printf(""For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n""); X printf(""information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n""); X printf(""the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n""); X X /* X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it X */ X printf(""Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X while (yorn[0] == 'y') { X X /* read the filename */ X printf(""\nEnter the info filename: ""); X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) { X printf(""\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X X /* compute the basename of the info filename */ X /* remove the trailing newline */ X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1]; X *uuname = '\0'; X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */ X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) { X if (*uuname == '/') { X ++uuname; X break; X } X } X X /* attempt to open the info file */ X infile = fopen(infoname, ""r""); X if (infile == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: "", X program, infoname); X perror(""""); X continue; X } X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---info---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* uuencode the info file */ X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname); X X printf(""\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X }; X return; X} X X/* X * output_build - output the ---build--- section X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */ X char *bname; /* name of the build file */ X{ X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---build---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * uuencode the program file X */ X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME); X return; X} X X/* X * output_program - output the ---program--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */ X char *pname; /* name of program file */ X{ X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---program---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * uuencode the program file X */ X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME); X return; X} X X/* X * output_end - output the ---end--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_end(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X /* X * write the final section terminator X */ X fprintf(output, ""---end---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X return; X} X X/* X * get_line - get an answer from stdin X * X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and X * read in the answer. X * X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does X * not return if ERROR or EOF. X */ Xint Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol) X char *buf; /* input buffer */ X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */ X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */ X{ X int length; /* the length of the input line */ X X /* flush terminal output */ X fflush(stdout); X X /* read the line */ X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) { X /* report the problem */ X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* look for the newline */ X length = strlen(buf); X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') { X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */ X X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */ X do { X eatchar = fgetc(stdin); X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n'); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* report the situation */ X return 0; X } X X /* watch for long lines, if needed */ X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) { X /* report the situation */ X return 0; X } X X /* return length */ X return length; X} X X/* X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read X * X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including) X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is: X * X * leader:\tfirst line X * \tnext line X * \tnext line X * ... X * X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */ X{ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ X int count; /* lines read */ X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */ X X /* instruct the user on how to input */ X printf(""\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n""); X X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */ X count = 0; X while (!done) { X /* issue the prompt */ X printf(""%s\t"", (count>0) ? """" : leader); X fflush(stdout); X X /* get the line */ X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t""); X continue; X } X X /* note if '.' was read */ X if (strcmp(buf, "".\n"") == 0) { X done = TRUE; X } X X /* write line if we read something */ X if (!done) { X fprintf(output, ""%s\t%s"", (count++>0) ? """" : leader, buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X } X X /* if no lines read, at least output something */ X if (count <= 0) { X fprintf(output, ""%s\t.\n"", leader); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X return; X} X X/* X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach X * X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ... X */ Xint Xcol_len(string) X char *string; /* the string to examine */ X{ X int col; /* current column */ X char *p; /* current char */ X X /* scan the string */ X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { X /* note the column shift */ X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1; X } X if (*p == '\n') { X --col; X } X X /* return the highest column */ X return col; X} X X/* X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream X * X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error. X */ Xvoid Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok) X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */ X char *name; /* the name of this stream */ X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */ X{ X /* test for I/O error */ X if (ferror(stream)) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: error on %s: "", program, name); X perror(""""); X exit(1); X X /* test for EOF */ X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: EOF on %s\n"", program, name); X exit(1); X } X return; X} X X/* X * uuencode - uuencode a file X * X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed X * by the uuencode(1) utility. X * X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5) X * 4.3BSD Reno man page. X */ Xvoid Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname) X FILE *output; /* output file stream */ X char *oname; /* output filename */ X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */ X char *iname; /* input filename */ X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */ X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */ X{ X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */ X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */ X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */ X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */ X char *p; X X /* X * output the initial uuencode header X */ X fprintf(output, ""begin %o %s\n"", umode, uname); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * clear out the input buffer X */ X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { X *p = '\0'; X } X X /* X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming X * a single output line each time. X */ X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) { X X /* X * the first character is the length character X */ X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits. X */ X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) { X X /* bits 0 to 5 */ X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f; X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 6 to 11 */ X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f); X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 12 to 17 */ X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03); X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 18 to 23 */ X val = p[2]&0x3f; X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */ X fputc('\n', output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset()) X */ X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { X *p = '\0'; X } X } X X /* check the last read on the input file */ X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK); X X /* write end of uuencode file */ X fprintf(output, ""%c\nend\n"", UUENCODE(filler)); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X} SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 mkentry.c || echo ""restore of mkentry.c failed"" set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""34482""; then echo original size 34482, current size $Wc_c fi # ============= obfuscate.info ============== echo ""x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info && X1993 Obfuscated contest information X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X XThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of Xco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space Xpermits. X XHow to have your contest included in this file: X X If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file, X send a request to: X X judges@toad.com X X We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to X not exceed 2500 bytes. We typically request that your contest X include a current description of the IOCCC. X X In order to be included in this file for given year, we must X receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and X no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC. Agreement to publish your X contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15. Annual contests X that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file. X XOfficial Disclaimer: (pardon the officialese) X X The contents noted below, other than the IOCCC, are not affiliated X with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC. We reserve the X right to refuse to print information about a given contest. X X The information below was provided by the particular contest X organizer(s) and printed by permission. Please contact the X contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents. X XWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following Xinformation about contents: X X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X 10th International Obfuscated C Contest X X ""The original obfuscated contest"" X X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure. X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. X obfuscatory adj. X X GOALS OF THE CONTEST: X X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) X X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that simply works X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language. X (see ""The New Hacker's Dictionary"" by Eric Raymond) X X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical X closing date for contests are in early May. X X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address X above and use the subject 'send rules'. X X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: X X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) X user: anonymous X pass: yourname@yourhost X dir: ~/pub/ioccc X X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. X X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall X X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules! X X Landon says: ""Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993, X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully X something will be developed after Nov 1993."" X X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- X X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu) X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl) X X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the X PostScript programming language. Its purpose: X X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details. X * To applaud those with the best tricks. X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript X programs ever. X X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide. X X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places. X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu. X X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork, X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award. X X The judges will choose the winners of each category. X X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets X and other kinds of fractal functions. X X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX. X . X SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 obfuscate.info || echo ""restore of obfuscate.info failed"" set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""6418""; then echo original size 6418, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 -- Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. " 9567,18,"From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) Subject: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 12 The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. - Dave Borden borden@m5.harvard.edu " 9568,5,"From: gutenkun@fzi.de (Kai Gutenkunst) Subject: Archie-Client ? Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 4 Distribution: world Reply-To: gutenkun@fzi.de NNTP-Posting-Host: ikarus.fzi.de xgetftp-1.2 needs an archie client program. Does anybody know, where I can get it? Thanks in advance, Kai " 9569,19,"From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org Subject: God's promise of Peace Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fa- thers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. " 9570,4,"From: lingeke2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger) Subject: 32 Bit System Zone Organization: Purdue University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 32 A week or so ago, I posted about a problem with my SE/30: I have 20 megs or true RAM, yet if I set my extensions to use a large amount of memory (total of all extensions) then my system will crash before the finder comes up. What I meant was having a large amount of fonts load, or sounds, or huge disk caches with a control panel other than Apple's memory control panel. Apple's cache is at 64K, mode 32 is on, and so is 32 bit addressing. All extensions work by themselves or with the others until I increase the memory used by some of them (with methods mentioned above). Well, here's my latest followup... I ran NOWs System Profile and got this information: %%% Memory info %%% Physical RAM size: 20480K. Logical RAM size: 20480K. Size of Low Memory Area: 8K. Virtual Memory: Inactive. Addressing mode: 32bit mode in use. 32 bit System zone: Absent. Parity RAM: Not capable. Growable System Heap: True. Temporary memory support: Present. Tempory Memory Support: Real and tracked. Note that 32 bit System zone is absent. Could this be the problem? How can I turn this on? Any ideas? Can anyone help? Ken " 9571,8,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: dogs Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 26 In article car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: >This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to >a ""psychological norm"" that may not actually apply to a particular dog. >I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson >dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me >this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing >a game with me. The game was probably ""Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor"" Before >He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it? You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head off! Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, we have *all* the advantages. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 9572,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: HELP: MC146818A Real Time Clock Standby Mode Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 20 In article <1r0b69INN5ct@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (Martin John Gregory) writes: >I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from >a MC146818A Real Time Clock... >lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is >three times the specified MAXIMUM... >1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is > low during this time. >2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or > WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted... Are any of the inputs to the chip coming from TTL? Standby-drain specs for CMOS chips typically apply only if inputs are pulled all the way down to zero or all the way up to Vcc. TTL isn't good at doing the former and it won't do the latter at all without help from pullup resistors. This sort of thing can easily multiply power consumption by a considerable factor, because the CMOS transistors that are supposed to be OFF aren't all the way hard OFF. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 9573,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >mathew writes: >>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist? > >Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you >blame the tiger? A human has greater control over his/her actions, than a predominately instictive tiger. A proper analogy would be: If you are thrown into a cage with a person and get mauled, do you blame that person? Yes. [ providing that that person was in a responsible frame of mind, eg not clinicaly insane, on PCB's, etc. ] --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. " 9574,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 71 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >John 12:24-26: ""Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat >falls onto the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it >produces much grain. > ""He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in >this world will keep it for eternal life. > ""If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My >servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."" > >Why would I want an eternal life if I hate this one? Again, you missed Jesus's point. If you read the surrounding passages you would understand what Jesus means by ""life in the world."" But as is, you bumbled around, asserted your standard axiom that the Bible is bunk, and came up with the wrong idea. Also, you do not know exactly what Jesus means by eternal life. Brian K., do you expect to jump in the middle of the quantum mechanics book and understand Hermite polynomials having not read the surrounding material? Why do you such with the Bible? For an idea what Jesus means by the world, look up references to it in your concordance. For a good description, the whole Book of Ecclesiastes is game. For eternal life, check out John 17:3, John 3:15-16. You will find that eternal life is quite different than what you think. Eternal life starts NOW--an infinitely high quality of life living in fellowship with God. >In short: even if your deity *does* exist, that doesn't automatically >mean that I would worship it. I am content to live my own life, and >fend for myself, so when I die, I can be proud of the fact that no >matter where I end up, it will be because of *my* actions and *my* choices. > >If your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this, then so be >it. I would much rather just cease to exist. But if your god wants >my respect and my obedience, then it had better earn these; and if it >does, then they will be very strong and true. If my diety exists, you would not just cease to exist. Jesus talks of hell in Luke 16:19-31. >You've got to understand my point-of-view: I see Christians spouting >Bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that >will level all opposition. Truth is, it's not. Robert has never >demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply; he >just rattles them off day by day. Some brazenly fly in the face of >common sense and reality, and I point these out where I can. The truth is, is that it is not some sort of magic spell. The truth is is that you do not understand it, and enjoy not understanding it. >Christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book. Wrong again. Christianity is supposed to be relationship. You do not even know what Christianity is and you are arguing against it. >And in my opinion, you're bumbling about blindly making up entities >where there aren't any, and depriving yourself of a true understanding >and enjoyment of your life. As long as you keep your beliefs to >yourself, I'll keep my beliefs to myself -- but as soon as you start >waving them around, expect me to toss in my opinions, too. Just as I make up such places as Jericho, Jerusalem, Babylon, Corinth, Ephesus, Susa, and such kings as Nebuchanezzar, David, Solomon, Sennacherib, Herod, Pontius Pilate . . . . But I guess then that you treat Abraham Lincoln as a myth like you do Odin and Zeus. " 9575,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr15.215833.15970@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: >> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error >> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is >> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. >I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although >my preference would be to move the discussion to another >newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more >appropriate. I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. So that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from the simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And if they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how subtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while they are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. >The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the >esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter >into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric >religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical >substance of man's being and nature. In my opinion considering any human being as having a substance or metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human being _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam. >From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You >should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable >Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the >charge of heresy is levelled. Absolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and I am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of error-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with the teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa are highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. >As salaam a-laikum Alaikum Wassalam Gregg " 9576,0,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr10.123858.25059@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >> Khomenei was a jerk and so were plenty of >>British ""leaders"", so what? >>THE QUR'AN is the basis of judgement. Khomenei was clearly a heretic >>by the standards of the Qur'an. End of story. >Could you be a little more specific as to exactly why Khomanei was a >heretic and a jerk as judged by the Koran. I have no liking for the >guy, but as far as I know he has done nothing contrary to the teachings >of the Koran, or at least so I'm told by several Iranian research >students that I share an office with. >It is easy and convenient for you to denounce him. But I have the >feeling that your views are not as clear cut and widely accepted as you >suggest. I have made this clear elsewhere but will do so again. Khomeini put a price on the head of someone in another country, this makes him a jerk as well as an international outlaw. Khomeini advocates the view that there was a series of twelve Islamic leaders (the Twelve Imams) who are free of error or sin. This makes him a heretic. In the Qur'an Muhammad is chastised for error directly by God; the Qur'an says that Muhammad is the greatest example of proper Islamic behavior; thus no muslim is free from error. >As usual there seems to be almost as many Islamic viewpoints as there >are Muslims. Perhaps it seems so to you, but this is hardly the case. There is widespread agreement about matters of Islam. There certainly are many viewpoints on issues which are not particularly Islamic in and of themselves, but this is so for any large group of people under the same name. >It all comes back to the Koran being so imprecise in its wording. The Qur'an is not particularly imprecise in wording, though it is true that several interpretations are possible in the interpretations of many words. However, as an entire text the Qur'an makes its meanings precise enough for intelligent people free from power lust to come to agreement about them. Gregg " 9577,7,"From: Stefan.M.Gorsch@dartmouth.edu (Stefan M. Gorsch) Subject: Importing Volvo? X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b10@newshost.dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 11 Well, I'm afraid the time has come; my rice-burner has finally died. I'd always promised my wife that we would do a Scandanavian tour when my car died and pick up a Volvo in Sweden, drive it around and then import it home. Can anyone give me 1) advice on feasibility and relative costs 2) references where I might learn more 3) Personal experience? Please email Thanks " 9578,18,"From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: NWO Steering Committee Lines: 52 In <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu sez: > A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two >new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the >impact, not from the fire. > > Thoughts? > > It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start >denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led >to the previous ruling appear. There's this minor thing called ""interest of finality/repose"". What it means is that parties aren't dragged into court over and over again because the losing side ""discovers"" some ""new"" evidence. I don't know about you, Brett, but I suspect GM had the resources to find just about as many expert and fact witnesses as it wanted before the trial started. Letting them re-open the case now is practically an invitation to every civil litigant on earth to keep an ace in the hole in case the verdict goes against him. BTW, in federal criminal cases, Rule 33 does permit a motion for a new trial ""based on . . . *newly discovered* evidence"" if made within 2 years of the verdict. (Emphasis mine.) If you're trying to make a backhanded point about criminal justice in a discussion that has little to do with criminal trials -- as the estimable David Brock did in his amusing WSJ piece last week -- save your breath. > Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be >believed? >Shouldn't that be up to a jury? Yup. Which is why they shoulda been brought around the first time through. > And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk >shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for >a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? > Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? Unless there's some reason to believe that this supposed bias predated the trial (as opposed to being a product of it), and that GM was unfairly prevented from discovering it (by venireman concealment or otherwise), why should GM be allowed to complain? -- MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents Before You Start in to be Rough - George Ade Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck " 9579,1,"From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM (""Imaging Club"") Subject: Re: Signature Image Database Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Lines: 21 Contact Signaware Corp 800-4583820 800 6376564 -------------------------------- Original Memo -------------------------------- BCC: Vincent Wall From: Imaging Club Subject: Signature verification ? Date Sent: 05/04/93 sci.image.processing From: yyqi@ece.arizona.edu (Yingyong Qi) Subject: Signature Image Database Organization: U of Arizona Electrical and Computer Engineering Hi, All: Could someone tell me if there is a database of handwriting signature images available for evaluating signature verification systems. Thanks. YY " 9580,11,"From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) Subject: Re: Illegal Wiretaps (was Nntp-Posting-Host: wardibm2.med.yale.edu Organization: Yale U. - Genetics Lines: 33 In article <3702.204.uupcb@ssr.com>, dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) wrote: > > PK> .Perhaps we need the telephony equivalent of an anonymous remailer for > > .the telephone network? Back in Prohibition days (alcohol, that is) I > > .understand a device called the ""cheesebox"" was a popular means to thwart > > .the tracing of telephone calls. It connected two phone lines in the back > > .room of an otherwise uninvolved business. It was the conceptual predecesso > > .of today's anonymous email remailer. > > The old ""cheesebox"" was the pre-Carterphone version of the ""call > diverter."" After the Carterphone decision there were several vendors > that sold call diverters. I've got a couple in my basement that > were used to redirect my office phone to my home number when I > didn't feel like going into the office. > > It'd be quite easy to generate an ""anonymous redialer"" version of the > call diverter. > About 18 months ago, I heard a report on NPR about a 900-number ""1-900-STO-PPER"" or some such, for placing untraceable calls. You call them, and on ""bong"" tone dial the number you want to call; they told the NPR interviewer that nothing short of a court order (which they'd fight) would make them release their records. Matt Healy ""I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab net pretends to work"" matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu " 9581,16,"From: ""Faustus"" Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! In-Reply-To: <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: INFERNO X-Mailer: PSILink (3.01) Lines: 27 >DATE: 18 Apr 93 00:13:19 -0500 >FROM: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu > >Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms >'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. In my case I am alive thanks to a gun, that is provable.. even in your twisted logic. >I think that that there are actually *few* cases where this is so. No... Wrong again brain trust.. >The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary >opponents Huh? What planet are you from? >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. Wrong... Not as long as freedom remains .. PS: Get a Dictionary.. Faustus (Gun of the month club... hmmm.. Glock 10mm this month.. Sig 226 next..) " 9582,8,"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu Summary: Bike movies Keywords: movies In article csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes: >Folks, >I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project. >Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial >capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man, >Raising Arizona, etc). >Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated. >(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary) Easy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD wanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday (Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve Mcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers). I think the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * " 9583,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: The Right To Keep And Bear Arms (was: Re: Who's next?...) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 28 mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >:Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever. >Yes, gone are the days when you can leave your house unlocked at night. >Well, it couldn't last forever. For the record, it wasn't until I came to college (excluding the times I went to Omaha or Council Bluffs for something) that I ever removed the keys from the ignition of my car! Come to think of it, it was only after I moved to Ames, Ia (pop 45K) that I ever took to locking my doors at night. I've discovered that $50K/year isn't worth living in fear all day. I might just move back to the farm. This weekend is Veishea. You know, when ISU students riot for no apparent reason. This year, we've the Farm Aid concert to add to the festivities. Anybody bet me there's another riot? Remember, Iowa law has three guys talking loud defined as a riot. Stay tuned for an on-the-scene report this weekend. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 9584,7,"From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Lines: 66 In article , neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) writes: |> larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes: |> |> >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net. Watch out for |> >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses. They can |> >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car. |> |> >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows) |> |> >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in |> >knoxville, I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate |> >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side |> >of my truck. We slowed down, but after looking back to see the |> >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station. |> |> >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him ""cock his arm"" with |> >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are |> >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit |> >her window, it would have killed her. |> |> >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone. |> |> >I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and |> >I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to |> >hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, |> >and take the truck. |> |> >PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! |> |> >peace. |> |> |> >-- |> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- |> >brian larose larose@cs.utk.edu #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918. |> |> >{} |> |> As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others |> were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5 |> north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our |> windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the |> overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and |> left. |> A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was |> in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was |> a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old |> that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do? |> I don't think I'll over forget this story. In Des Moines, Iowa, about a year ago, some kid dropped a rock from an overpass and hit car just behind the windshield. It put a dent in the roof, so I guess I was lucky it hit metal. It's frustrating that we can't do much. Bother the city government to put covers on all overpasses? Slow down/speed up a bit when driving under all overpasses in the city? I like the first better, but that will take time and lots of people talking to the city governments. Just another .02... -- Bryan Welch Amateur Radio: N0SFG Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb Disclaimer: It's all opinion. Everything. So there. " 9585,7,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller? Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 9 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com >I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that >Nissan claims that the Altima is ""the best selling new car namelplate in >the US"" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics >dept. would have been proud of that sentence. Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new ""nameplates."" I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no ""nameplate"" qualifier. " 9586,16,"From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 8 The San Francisco Examiner reports that Clinton has issued instructions to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to resolve the Waco situation. So they've built a fence around the compound, and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison-camp levels, pulling out most of the manpower, and waiting however many months it takes. John Nagle " 9587,7,"From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Article-I.D.: news.C52M5t.n55 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes: >>This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put >>their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the >>back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. >>Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. >>Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? >>Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and >>a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? >I've found that it has to do with the way women's clothes are made. >If you put keys in the front pocket of women's jeans or slacks, you >get a bulge that also tends to make it impossible to sit down because >they stick you constantly. ditto in the back pocket. >Also, try *looking* at the back pockets of women's jeans and compare >them to the back pockets on men's jeans. They are usually (if you buy >jeans that you expect to last for any length of time) about half the >size. There flat out isn't *room* for a wallet or a bunch of keys. >Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives >didn't carry purses? :-) The same place single men do, wallet in back pocket, comb in other back pocket, keys in front pocket, knive in other from pocket, pen in shirt pocket, or front pants pocket. Or do married men start carrying around a bunch of stuff to keep there women happy? >Beth Mark B. " 9588,10,"From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In <1qvos8$r78@cl.msu.>, vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes... > The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs. All you Toronto fans have now seen the >power of the mighty Red Wing offense. Toronto's defense in no match for the >Wing offense. As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out >hitting hard. Toronto players were being thrown left and right. Not even >Wendell Clark was tough enough for the Wings tough guys. The Wings only gave >up three goals, a low total for what they say is a mediocre defense. > All you Leaf fans better speak up now. You team will probable have its >season ended soon. Wings fans, keep up the support. There's quite a few Wings fans lurking about here, they just tend to be low key and thoughtful rather than woofers. I suppose every family must have a Roger Clinton, though. But remember (to paraphrase one of my favorite Star Trek lines), ""if we adopt the ways of the Leaf fans, we are as bad as the Leaf fans"". Ron ********** ""And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal with new problems."" ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93 " 9589,5,"From: ware@oboe.cis.ohio-state.edu (Peter Ware) Subject: Re: Private Colormaps & Widget creation Organization: Ohio State Computer Science Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: oboe.cis.ohio-state.edu In-reply-to: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV's message of 2 Apr 1993 14:55:09 -0500 You are right in supposing that the problem is with the XmNcolormap (XtNcolormap for truly literate beings) not being set. What you want to do is start your application with your new colormap. This can be a chicken and egg sort of problem, however. If you look at the Xt FAQ there is an example that should show how it can be done. If not, let me know and maybe I can improve the example. --pete -- Pete Ware ware@cis.ohio-state.edu CIS Dept, Ohio State University w/ (614) 292-7318 228 Bolz Hall, 2036 Neil Ave. h/ (614) 538-0965 Columbus, OH 43210 " 9590,7,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 47 In article <1qqp2o$5ba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-H ung Wan) writes: > >In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says: > >>I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. >> >>What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) >> >>Thanks, >>Danny >>-- >> >>============================================================================== = >>= ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = >>= Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = >>= | = >>= Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = >>= Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = >> > >For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports >suspension (which is too stiff.) For a little more practicality and more >comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy. And for a good dose of >luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.) >However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks, >the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like. I don't >particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are >too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car. >-- >A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA >Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. > >""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" > The only thing about the 300ZX turbo and new Supra is they're about $10K or more over his budget... -- "" Be good, and you will be lonely"" Mark Twain " 9591,5,"From: bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: ethan@cs.columbia.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:25:08 GMT try this after XCreateWindow: ----------------------------- #include Display display; Window window; { XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints (); xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */ xsizehints->x = 42; xsizehints->y = 42; xsizehints->width = 100; xsizehints->height = 100; XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints); XFree (xsizehints); } These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user. I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer if you specify the position and size like above. Greetings from Berlin, Tobias (bading@cs.tu-berlin.de) " 9592,8,"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: dogs Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 27 In article , mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes: |> I'm a biker and a dog-lover. No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation. Go find a HUMAN! |> The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great |> deal to them. The more effective you are at communicating body language, the |> less you actually have to do. I agree completely. Unfortunately, the majority of my feelings, before I can even start to think rationally abhout the dog that is trying to kill me, are fear. When there's been a moment to set up, like you said ""a bit down the road"" or whatever, I've never had a problem with dogs. --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. " 9593,5,"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: Property problems Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article ( ), wsmart@tay.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Bill Smart) writes: > To get the number back, the other client does: > > AppAtom = XInternAtom(display,""ApplicationWindow"",True); > XGetWindowProperty(display,DefaultRootWindow(display),AppAtom,0,8192, > False,XA_WINDOW,&return_type,&return_format, > &nitems_return,&bar,&return_place); > > and appears to get back something valid (just not the right number). > It always seems to return the same number, regardless of the window > number stored in the property. ""return_place"" is probably incorrect. It should be a pointer, not an integer. XGetWindowProperty() allocates memory, copies the data there, and returns a pointer to the memory. You should free the memory when you're done. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com " 9594,1,"From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations Article-I.D.: cis.1993Apr6.181509.1973 Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr6.175117.1848@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes: A brilliant algorithm. *NOT* Seriously - it's correct, up to a sign change. The flaw is obvious, and will therefore not be shown. sorry about that. -- Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham (205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station (205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 " 9595,13,"From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research? Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 22 In article <221@ky3b.UUCP>, km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes: > As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous > is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. > When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. > > This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on > pediatrics.... Pediatrics for me was three solid > months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! > > I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly > exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later > on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, > so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. This is also commonly seen in new teachers. The first few years, they're sick a lot, but gradually seem to build up immunities to almost everything common. Come to think of it, I was about my healthiest when I was working in a pathogens lab, exposed to who-knows-what all the time. Pre-OSHA, of course. Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI " 9596,1,"From: wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael) Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? Organization: n/a Lines: 12 NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch writes: >Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I please tell me where you where you FTP'd this from? I would like to have a copy of it. (I would have mailed you, but your post indicates you have no mail address...) > -- Wayne Michael wdm@world.std.com " 9597,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 31 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war >against Israel. I wouldn't bet on it. Arab governments generally don't care much about the Palestineans and their struggle but find it useful for political purposes back home. They are happy to leave the Palestineans largely under Israeli control because that leaves the job of controlling them to the Israelis. The Israelis don't like this job any more than King Hussein of Jordan liked it -- and he managed to kill them off at the rate of thousands per month when they started an Intifada in Jordan. The governments of Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all feel similarly. However, proclaiming public support for the Palestinean war against Israel deflects criticism from deep problems at home and lends an air of legitimacy to even the most brutal Arab tyrants. Arab *PEOPLE* probably aren't much more sympathetic. Palestineans have shown a willingness to destabilize and plunder in Jordan, Lebanon and Kuwait and are viewed with suspicion elsewhere. You might still be right in sympathy to the war against Israel, but I suspect that many Arabs, far removed from the immediate border with Israel (e.g. in Kuwait or Morroco), couldn't care less. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 9598,10,"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL News Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] DALLAS HELPS HAWKS STAY IN MONCTON After announcing that they would pull their affiliation out of Moncton, the Winnipeg Jets changed their mind. The Jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing their minor league roster from 20-something to around a dozen; and they wanted to share with an existing AHL or IHL franchise. Enter the Dallas Lone Stars. Dallas agreed to supply the remaining 6 or 8 players to the Moncton franchise. Thus keeping the Hawks in the New Brunswick city. The deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if the season ticket base increases to over 3000. The Hawks only sold 1400 for this year. SAINT JOHN FLAMES OFFICIAL The Calgary Flames have officially signed a deal with the city of Saint John, NB. The Saint John Blue Flames will play in the 6200 Exhibition Center. The Flames still have to apply for an expansion frnachise from the AHL but are expected to have no trouble. CAPS FOLLOW JACKS TO MAINE Despite rumors to the contrary, the Capitals will follow the Baltimore Skipjacks to Maine. The Caps' current farm team, the Baltimore Skipjacks, announced that they would move to Maine and become the Portland Pirates. There was much doubt as to if the Caps would follow but they announced a limited deal with Portland. They would supply a dozen or so players including 2 goalies. They become the third team to announce a limited farm team along with Moncton and the Capital District Islanders. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 9599,1,"From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics/CAD) Subject: RTrace 8.2.0 Keywords: ray tracing Nntp-Posting-Host: bart Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal Lines: 83 There is a new version of the RTrace ray-tracing package (8.2.0) at asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace. Check the README file. RTrace now can use the SUIT toolkit to have a nice user interface. Compile it with -DSUIT or modify the Makefile. SUIT is available at suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu I have binaries of RTrace with SUIT for SUN Sparc, SGI Indigo and DOS/GO32. Please contact me if interested. **************************************** The MAC RTrace 1.0 port is in directory pub/RTrace/Macintosh Thanks to Reid Judd (reid.judd@east.sun.com) and Greg Ferrar (gregt@function.mps.ohio-state.edu). **************************************** Small changes were done since version 8.1.0, mainly: 1. Now it is possible to discard backface polygons and triangles for fast preview... 2. The support program scn2sff has been reworked to use temp files. **************************************** Here goes a short description of current converters from CAD/molecular/chemistry packages to the SCN format. The package programs are related as below (those marked with * have been modified) irit2scn IRIT ----------------| | NFF (nffclean, nffp2pp) sol2scn | | ACAD11 ---------------| | nff2sff | | mol2scn v scn2sff* v rtrace* ALCHEMY -----------> SCN -----------> SFF ----------> PIC or PPM ^ cpp | pdb2scn | picmix PDB -----------------| picblend | ppmmix* chem2scn | ppmblend* CHEMICAL --------------| | 3ds2scn* | 3D STUDIO --------------| | iv2scn* | IRIS Inventor -----------| **************************************** The DOS port of RTrace is in pub/RTrace/PC-386 (rtrac820.arj, utils820.arj and image820.arj). See the README file there. Requires DJGPP GO32 DOS extender (version 1.09 included), which can be found in directory pub/PC/djgpp (and in many sites around netland). There are also demo scenes, manuals and all the source code... **************************************** Please feel free to get it and use it. Hope you like it. Regards, Antonio Costa. ......................................................................... O O / / I N E S C | O | Antonio Costa | E-Mail acc@asterix.inescn.pt | |\ | O | | | \ | / O Comp. Graphics & CAD | DECnet porto::acosta | | \| / / | | | / | | Largo Mompilher 22 | UUCP {mcvax,...}!... O | |-O | | 4100 Porto PORTUGAL | Bell +351+02+321006 / \ / \ O O O ""Let the good times roll..."" " 9600,5,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Tektronix Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 6 I remember seeing something in the X distribution mentioning support for a Tektronix terminal in an X server. Is this accurate? -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown " 9601,19,"From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD, PART-3 Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 87 DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 3 D R O P L E T From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor VOL 1, No 11, Part 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------ NINETEENTH LETTER MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW, Part 3 (continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 2) THIRD SIGN: The miracles of Muhammad (SAW) are extremely varied. Because his messengership is universal, he has been distinguished by miracles that relate to almost all species of creation. Just as the supreme aide of a renowned ruler, arriving with many gifts in a city where various people live, will be welcomed by a representative of each people who acclaims him and bids him welcome in his own language so, too, when the supreme messenger of the Monarch of Pre- and Post-Eternity (Ezel and Ebed Sultani) honored the universe by coming as an envoy to the inhabitants of the earth, and brought with him the light of truth and spiritual gifts sent by the Creator of the universe and derived from the realities of the whole universe, each species of creation -from water, rocks, trees, animals and human beings to the moon, sun and stars- welcomed him and acclaimed his prophethood, each in its own language, and each bearing one of his miracles. Now it would require a voluminous work to mention all his miracles. As the punctilious scholars have written many volumes concerning the proofs of His prophethood, here we will briefly point out only the general category into which fall fhe miracles that are definite and accepted as accurate reports. The evidences of the prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) fall into two main categories: The first is called irhasat and includes the paranormal events that happened at the time of his birth, or before his declaration of prophethood. The second group pertains to all the remaining evidences of the prophethood, and contains two subdivisions: 1) Those wonders that were manifested after his departure from this world in order to confirm his prophethood, and 2) Those that he exhibited during the era of his prophethood. The latter has also two parts: 2.1) The evidences of his prophethood that became manifest in his own personality, his inner and outer being, his moral conduct and perfection, and 2.2) The miracles that: related to substantial matters. The last part again has two branches: 2.2.1) Those concerning the Qur'an and spirituality, and 2.2.2) Those relating to matter and creation. This last branch is again divided into two categories: 2.2.2.1) The first involves the paranormal happenings that occured during his mission either to break the stubbornness of the unbelievers, or to augment the faith of the belivers. This category has twenty different sorts, such as the splitting of the moon, the flowing of water from the fingers, the satisfying of large numbers with a little food, and the speaking of trees, rocks and animals Each of these sons has also many instances, and thus has, in meaning, the strength of confirmation by consensus. 2.2.2.2) As for the second category, this includes events lying in the future that occured as he had predicted upon Allah (SWT)'s instructions. Now starting from the last category, we will summarize a list of them.(1) (1) Unfonunately, I could not write as I had intended without choice, I wrote as my head dictated, and I could not completely conform to the order of this classification. ----------------------------------------------------------------- To be Continued Allah Willing. Irfan Alan, A Servant of Islam. " 9602,15,"From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu Subject: Mormon beliefs about bastards Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Could anyone enlighten me on how the Mormon church views children born out of wedlock? In particular I'm interested to know if any stigma is attached to the children as opposed to the parents. I'm especially keen to learn if there is or is not any prohibition in the Mormon faith on bastards entering heaven or having their names entered in the big genealogical book the Mormons keep in Salt Lake City. If this is an issue on which the ""official"" position has changed over time, I'm interested in learning both old and new beliefs. E-mail or posting is fine. All information or pointers are appreciated. Elliotte Rusty Harold Department of Mathematics elharo@shiva.njit.edu New Jersey Institute of Technology erh0362@tesla.njit.edu Newark, NJ 07102 " 9603,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind. >In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such >issues. >And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral >significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions. What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior. That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to be immoral (in some cases). Also, I've said that morality is a remnant of evolution. Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in the animal kingdom. >>So you are basically saying that you think a ""moral"" is an undefinable >>term, and that ""moral systems"" don't exist? If we can't agree on a >>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them? >No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral >is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people. But, this doesn't get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant unless you can share them or discuss them... keith " 9604,10,"From: s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 50 smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes: > OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions: > > 1st round: > ---------- > > PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. > WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. > > BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. > QUE vs MON: MON in 7. > > CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. > DET vs TOR: DET in 6. > > VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. > CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. > > 2nd round: > ---------- > > PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. > BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. > > CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. > WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. > > 3rd round: > ---------- > > PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. > CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. > > Finals: > ------ > > PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. > > > ============================================= > Walter > Not bad, you only got 2 wrong,... Cal over Chi in 5 and Cal over Pit in 6 (or 7) to take the SC s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) Western Business School -- London, Ontario " 9605,16,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Government Exlanations for WACO Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 8 When you have no principles, you can't admit that someone else might, and everyone who acts differently from what you expect can only be a nutcase. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. " 9606,12,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: ATARI 2600 Processors Lines: 12 Does anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th e pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have any idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor tant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available , or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very important.. Thanks a million... BTW- Anyone who works/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i nfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks alot!! -Peter " 9607,13,"From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 111 In article <1993Apr16.190447.8242@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: > >>Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses? > >You mean the responses some of which pointed to double-blind tests >which show no such ""chinese restaurant effect"" unique to MSG >(it's elicited by the placebo as well.) Many people responded with more anecdotal stories; I think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories. Presumably, he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about MSG making people ill. Similarly, debunking such claims without doing research (whether literature and lab), is equally beside the point. The original poster no doubt already knows that some people think 'Chinese Restaurant Syndrome' is bogus. Placebos are all very interesting, but irrelevant to the question of what effects MSG has. You could have real effects *and* placebo effects; people may have allergies in addition. > >>Yet again, the use of this >>newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters >>they have substantial knowledge of. > >Like youself? Someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently >come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to >do with the use of this substance in human nutrition? Have you read Olney's work? I fail to see how citing results from peer-reviewed studies qualifies as ""bizarrely cracked"". >>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a >>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on >>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an >>excitotoxic food additive, > >No, it's undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid >which is an excitatory neurotransmitter. There is also evidence that >excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain >conditions like stroke, drowning and Lou Gehrig's disease, just to name a few. >This is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid >in foods. People are not receiving intra-ventricular injections of glutamate. Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC. Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies, for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk. >>Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off. > >Sez you. Such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any >controlled studies. Infant mice and other models are useful as far >as they go, but they're not relevant to the matter at hand. Which is >not to say that I favor its use in things like baby food--a patently >ridiculous use of the additive. But we have no reason to believe >that MSG in the diet effects humans adversely. Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the journals? Have you done a thorough literature search? But, you're right, mice aren't the best to study this on. They're four times less sensitive than humans to MSG. >>Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in >>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts >>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be >>encountered in a ny single food. > >Wrong. Do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink? >Milligrams worth. Compare that to a glass of milk. Do you know how much >glutamate is present in most protein-containing foods compared to that >added by the use of MSG? The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids. Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine. Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods, vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose. >>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. > >Impeccable. There most certainly is a dispute. Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever. > >Steve Dyer >dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer Hmm. "".com"". Why am I not surprised? - Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca " 9608,8,"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 14 In article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: | |Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all |I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still |use shovels to dig holes Well, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some performance mods like stroking and cams. Besides, it's REAL bad on the rear tire. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon " 9609,6,"From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: Rolling Stones 45 rpm singles for sale Keywords: Rolling Stones 45 rpm singles Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 17 I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21 for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc. Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 If you are intereste, please contact: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu " 9610,6,"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: Re: ROLAND JUNO-60 SYNTHESIZER*UNIDEN RADAR DETECTOR 4 SALE Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 4 Actually they synth used in ""JUMP"" was an Oberheim. Watch the video....... Kevin " 9611,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 36 1) Output offset: Obtain the service manual for the oscilloscope and adjust the internal output offset contorl. There is virtual certainty that there is an internal ajustment for the offset control's zero detent position. 2) Verify that the function generator is properly loaded. Many generators expect you to supply a 50 ohm load. Go to a hamfest flea market and scrounge around for a pass-through 50 ohm terminator that has a male and female BNC (or whatever) connector on it. The calibrator on my Tektronix scope is designed to put out .4v into a 1 meg load, but .1 volt into a 50 ohm load. You may also find that loading the output of the function generator also reduces the harmonic distortion. Build an attenuator. You don't have to use (and I wouldn't want to use) the input impedance of the device under test as part of the voltage divider to drop the input test voltage. Consider this: ------10K--------+---------? ohm ---- | Gen 50 ohm D.U.T. (loaded) | -----------------+------------------- Think about the ratio of 50/10K and then think about the accuracy to which you can read voltages on your oscilloscope. You can virtually discount the loading of the D.U.T. Also you have the millivolt test generator you want. Good luck, -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 9612,17,From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You are quite the loser --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo 9613,6,"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Misc Electronic Eqpt Summary: electronics for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 20 Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. $20 plus shipping. If you are interested in either of the above mail me at radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu. _ _ // Major: Computer Science / sheryl@seas.gwu.edu (Sheryl Coppenger) writes: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: <>Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain. <>It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect, <>and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly <>doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause <>drowsiness. < ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes: > (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode > the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a > way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to > excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to > MS Windows world. > Thanks. > ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== First of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is a trivial answer and that's perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed to move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so much enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not justified... Please refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is OK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with the settings in the 'Fonts..."" dialog box under the window control menu (that little square at the top left corner of the window..). -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu " 9619,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 48 In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable <> one: Make it voluntary. < That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree <> to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. < <""Secure""? How do you know? Because NSA is trying to make you believe it? <""Trust us."" Yeah, right. < <""Otherwise you are on your own""? How do you know that tomorrow they Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C >I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally >decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great ! >I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light >comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than >the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles. >Works for me, I must say. > I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons. I was wondering how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear that somebody might steal my air-filter. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ " 9621,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 27 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) wrote: > > In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire > >on their house, killing most of the people inside. > > We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been > the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and > people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly > disinterested observers. Well, looking at the videos it seems that this fire started in various places at the same time, which would indicate that this was a planned action. I'm sure FBI and BATF didn't *deliberately* start a possible fire, having a sniper kill Korresh would have been a far easier method. Looking at the careful operation, and use of tear gas that as I know don't start fires, it is less likely that this was the case. Sorry, but my bets are on fanatical people keen to start Armageddon -- theirs. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 9622,14,"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Quotation Was:(Re: Subject: Re: Apollo Training in Iceland Distribution: sci Lines: 10 The Apollo astronauts also trained at (in) Meteor Crater in the Flagstaff area (Arizona). There is now a museum with a space shop. Caution: they ease you by 6$. Compared to a KSC visit it's not worth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thorsten Nedderhut | Disclaimer: mbp Software & Systems GmbH | c/o ESA/ESOC/FCSD/OAD/STB | Neither ESA nor mbp is responsible Darmstadt, Germany | for my postings! tnedderh@esoc.bitnet | " 9624,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Article-I.D.: rwing.2075 Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 66 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article >holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > > >> Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your >>crypto keys? I wouldn't. > >I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure. >Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . I am sure you didn't miss the implication that we could have another Richard Nixon type president in the future (perhaps not too distant future, acutally). With that in mind, then I take it you also would not object to the Gov coming up with a decision (not proposal - just like Clinton Cripple is a decision, not a proposal) sprung on us to start placing video cameras with sound in every room of your house, which could be activated without your knowlege. They would be well concealed so you wouldn't know the location, to prevent you from covering the lens opening. After all, nothing you're doing would be of the slightest interest to a government official, right? So, you surely should not object to such a proposal... Not the best anology, but the principle is pretty close - the ability to eavesdrop on your activity with little or no effort, without your knowlege, protected by entirely by ""government safeguards"". You can still draw your curtains, so you can still have your privacy from everyone else (except Big Brother)!! After all we need this for protection from drug dealers and terrorists and other criminals (like 'enemies of the STATE')... and you don't really have a right to ""unbreakable"" privacy anyway, sort of as the press release of the Clinton Cripple DECISION puts it... I find it curious they use the word ""unbreakable"" when the term really should be ""difficult to break without proper authorization"" (which the Government most certainly has at their disposal, right? They wouldn't want to be able to break it ILLEGALLY, would they?)... Nawww, not ""for the People"" Clinton.... Can you, while my mind is on it, give us one good reason that the algorithm should be a secret algorithm, unless this encryption scheme either is a joke, or contains features like a 'master key' or other back door for UNAUTHORIZED eavesdropping? If it was really even moderately secure, and the government really meant to require the proper court order and the keys that are in the Escrow accounts to be able to decipher the traffic, what is the need to keep the algorithm secret? Seems I hear rather often that if an encryption scheme requires the algorithm to remain a secret to be effective, it is not a worthwhile scheme... is this just idle talk, or is the Administration bullshitting everyone? With GREAT skepticism, and many doubts on our Administrations intentions... And WAIT!! We haven't been told the NEXT gem the Administration has in mind for e-mail and datafile security. The press release does say that this is part of a comprehensive thing on data security for us unprivileged citizens. Perhaps 'subjects' would be the better term - 'citizens' somehow does not seem appropriate... that implies a free people, 'subjects' better fits a population who serve at the pleasure of their rulers. One thing for certain: The government no longer regards the citizens as their bosses anymore, but the other way around... -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 9625,9,"From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) Subject: Re: Rockies spoon-feed game to Mets Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 8 Is it just me, or does Bichette look totally lost in the outfield? He misplayed Martinez fly-out into a double against the Expos, misplayed Alou's single into a triple (Alou tagged out at 3rd after over-sliding the bag) and now he misplays another out into a 3 run triple...add in his wonderful batting average and we have one heck of a player! Don Boell " 9626,17,"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (""Get thee to a nunnery....."") Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 67 waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: > > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > > > > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > > > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). > > > > > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's > > > ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, > > > show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > > > > > > > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > > > > not appreciated. > > > > > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were > > > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against > > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy > > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" > > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go > > > back to the minors, junior. > > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many > > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are > > so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks > > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of > > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since > > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could > > write. > > ----- > When you're willing to actually support something you say with fact or > argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned > offense, let me know. Otherwise, back to your own league, son. I have never seen such immaturity among semitophiles. This Andi Beyer character shows no signs of anti semitism, yet because he deviates from the norm of accepted opinion, you attack him. Why did not anyone venture to answer Andi's question in an intelligent and unoffending manner? The only ones guilty here of not backing up there viewpoints with fact are the Israelophiles. Now will we please start having some INTELLIGENT conversation? You all are an insult to you race! {assuming you are also semitic} Now I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism during the 1930's and 1940's. The Hirgun, and other branch - off militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of Palestine. Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of terrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the Arabs. These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British soldiers, but not only thta also killed many Jews who were in favor of a compromise with the Palestinians. In addition, they massacred an entire Palestinian village in 1948, contributing to the exodus of the frightened Palestinians who feared their very lives. I mention this not because I'm anti semitic [I'm part Jewish] but because this self righteousness on the part of the Israelites pisses me off so. I'm not as critical of the Palestinians because they were indeed screwed over by the Jews. It 's a damn shame that the Palestinians had to pay for German and European anti semitism. Pissed off at Immature, Closeminded, Self righteous Semites " 9627,18,"From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 39 In article , steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: > >In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri > >tes: > > > >> > >>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > >> > > > >A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid > >is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as > >me how, I just have seen the results. > > > >Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in > >the head. > > > > I'll answer you're sarcasm with more sarcasm: > > Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from > being screwed up in the head, given that example! > > (Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to > get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal > drugs and who IS NOT ""screwed up"" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's > not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an > immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice > THIS to THAT!). And not only that, but if the drugs were legal we could have pharmacists instead of pushers selling them, and the pharmacists could be obligated to not only inform the purchasers of the dangers of drug use, but also show them how to use the drugs in relatively safe ways. And the dangers of impurities (responsible for much of the suffering that drugs cause) would be all but eliminated. - Dave Borden borden@m5.harvard.edu " 9628,14,"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 5 The Apollo program cost something like $25 billion at a time when the value of a dollar was worth more than it is now. No one would take the offer. -- Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131 " 9629,3,From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi) Subject: ide &scsi controller Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Lines: 16 hi folks i have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb the second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram) i'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy a new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll all of them any companies? how many $? and is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide the ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is about all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it) thanks to all write at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it 9630,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic? Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 37 In <1993Apr2.125134.3780@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Ben's dad) writes: |In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: |> In article <1pasrg$ife@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes: |> |> | The title is self-explanatory; Isaac Asimov once pointed out |> |that curious fact. |> |> Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give |> everything you own to the state. |Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give |your *life* in battle for the state? The PC (Patrioticly Correct) certainly |think so. |> I thought that kind of system collapsed |> when the Soviet Union did. |No, the pentagon is still standing and collecting names for the draft. |> If that's not what you meant. At what point does paying more taxes cease |> being patriotic? |Your money or your life. Which is more important? Nice dodge. I give it a 9.2. Now to answer your questions. I do not believe that there should be a draft. The armed services should be voluntary. Can you say the same about taxes. I've answered your question. Would you now answer mine. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 9631,3,"From: bq274@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy J. Berkvam) Subject: How to detect mouse at hardware level? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 Reply-To: bq274@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy J. Berkvam) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu 'lo all, I am writting a program that checks a computer for its configuration. It's going to be run everytime a computer boots up to our campus network. (Actually, it already is running, it's just not getting all the info I want it to yet...) Anyway, I want to check for a mouse. I already check for a mouse driver (using the code in Microsoft's Mouse book). But there is no guarantee that the driver is loaded when my program runs, or that they ever load the driver. Since I am interested in what hardware is attached to the machine, how do I detect is a mouse is attached? I know it can be done because the mouse driver can do it. Thanks in advance, Andy -- Andy Berkvam | Few are wholly dead: U of Wisconsin - Stevens Point | Blow on a dead man's embers Cleveland Freenet: bq274 | And a live flame will start. Internet: aberkvam@spu1.uwsp.edu | -Robert Graves " 9632,8,"From: tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Distribution: The entire Nugent family Organization: Computervision Lines: 29 In article <1qc2fu$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >Loud pipes are a biligerent exercise in ego projection, No arguements following, just the facts. I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my *stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention. I instinctively revved my engine before I went for my horn. Don't know why, but I did it and it worked. Thats rather important. I am not saying ""the louder the pipes the better"". My Harley is loud and it gets me noticed on the road for that reason. I personally do not feel it is to loud. If you do, well thats to bad; welcome to America - ""Home of the Free, Land of the Atlanta Braves"". If you really want a fine tuned machine like our federal government to get involved and pass Db restrictions; it should be generous enough so that a move like revving your engine will get you noticed. Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or how long it would take me to push my horn button?? And aren't you the guy that doesn't even have a bike??? Tod J. Johnson DoD #883 ""Go Slow, Take Geritol"" " 9633,18,"From: cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 41 (oh boy. it's the [in]famous Phill Hallam-Baker.) In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: } } In article <1993Apr15.053553.16427@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: } } |>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes: } |>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: } |>... but like ""basic plus"" cable, you have to tell them that you don't } |>want it ... for example, Hutterite colonies in western Canada are not } |>part of it (Mennon and Hutter were fundamentalist Protestants from } |>Germany whose followers left for the New World ... Mennonites are a } |>very diverse lot while Hutterites are similiar to the Amish). The } |>American idea being floated today gives you no option but to live } |>off the land ... } |> } |>>the selfish bastards that they are. unfortunately, that number has } |>>diminished recently, but once President Pinocchio gets through } |>>with us, i hope for a reversal of trend. } } Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they } don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush ""selfish Bastard"" ecconomy } has done to the country. how about what 25 years of tax-and-spend, big government, institutionalized dependency, and out-of-control good intentions at others' expense has done to the country? } } Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselves, } thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the } ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle } class. yeah, right. and Clinton is any different? please. he is just a better lia... i mean, politician. you think Slick and his gang of elitist socialist academics will lead us to the promised land? don't hold your breath. -*- charles " 9634,3,"From: bc@idx.com Subject: Request info on a mystery PC card Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT Lines: 11 While rummaging through a box of old PC (5150) parts, I found a half-size board that looks like a comm port board. It was made by Forte Data Systems and has a copyright date of 1986 on it. The board provides a male 24-pin connector and has 3 jumpers of 3 pins each, two labelled A B C. I plugged it into my PC and ran Advanced diagnostics several times, changing the jumper positions each time, but the system did not recognise a comm port. Does anyone have a clue as to what this board might be or how to configure it? I could use another comm port if it's free. Bryan " 9635,12,"Subject: ACCESS BUS (was I2C bus) From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz Lines: 37 From: MX%""Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM"" 6-APR-1993 06:48:34.96 To: SRGXNBS CC: Subj: Re: I^2C bus and long haul serial (also Axlo Return-Path: Received: from Sun.COM by GRV.GRACE.CRI.NZ (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Tue, 06 Apr 1993 06:48:29 +1300 Received: from Corp.Sun.COM (lemay.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24280; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:48:08 PDT Received: from grendal.Corp.Sun.COM by Corp.Sun.COM (4.1/elliemay (corpmail1 inbound)) id AA25933; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:48:07 PDT Received: by grendal.Corp.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05710; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:47:28 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:47:28 PDT From: Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) Message-ID: <9304051847.AA05710@grendal.Corp.Sun.COM> To: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz Subject: Re: I^2C bus and long haul serial (also Axlo CC: Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM content-length: 693 In article <1pii04INNk6t@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> you write: > Whats required to get onto the ACCESS bus? The nice thing about the > i2c is that most i/o requires one 8 ... 16 pin DIL chip, ie its cheap > and easy. Anyone can design a bus, trouble is most buses require a > host of interface chips and often on-board intelligence. Bruce, For the latest information on Access.Bus call the Access.Bus Industry Group at (408) 991-3517. Also, Sun will be hosting the next meeting of the group on April 19th, here in Mountain View. For some reason I am not able to post to any newsgroups today, so please feel free to pass this information on yourself as you see fit. Andrew MacRae " 9636,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes: >I was looking for a rigorous definition because otherwise we would be >spending the rest of our lives arguing what a ""Christian"" really >believes. I don't think we need to argue about this. >KS>Do you think that the motto points out that this country is proud >KS>of its freedom of religion, and that this is something that >KS>distinguishes us from many other countries? >MW>No. >KS>Well, your opinion is not shared by most people, I gather. >Perhaps not, but that is because those seeking to make government >recognize Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do not >think they are infringing on the rights of others who do not share >their beliefs. Yes, but also many people who are not trying to make government recognize Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do no think the motto infringes upon the rights of others who do not share their beliefs. And actually, I think that the government already does recognize that Christianity is the dominant religion in this country. I mean, it is. Don't you realize/recognize this? This isn't to say that we are supposed to believe the teachings of Christianity, just that most people do. >Like I've said before I personally don't think the motto is a major >concern. If you agree with me, then what are we discussing? >KS>Since most people don't seem to associate Christmas with Jesus much >KS>anymore, I don't see what the problem is. >Can you prove your assertion that most people in the U.S. don't >associate Christmas with Jesus anymore? No, but I hear quite a bit about Christmas, and little if anything about Jesus. Wouldn't this figure be more prominent if the holiday were really associated to a high degree with him? Or are you saying that the association with Jesus is on a personal level, and that everyone thinks about it but just never talks about it? That is, can *you* prove that most people *do* associate Christmas most importantly with Jesus? >Anyways, the point again is that there are people who do associate >Christmas with Jesus. It doesn't matter if these people are a majority >or not. I think the numbers *do* matter. It takes a majority, or at least a majority of those in power, to discriminate. Doesn't it? keith " 9637,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin In-Reply-To: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:48:15 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 44 In article aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) writes: Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. People die that is all. No one gets killed. Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it intelligently. Sincerely yours. Hassan Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians. The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact, a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before the attack was to begin. By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops. Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not attacked with intentions of killing any civilians. To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived. Harry. " 9638,3,"From: yjwu@eng.umd.edu (Yu-Jen Wu) Subject: What's the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin SIMMS? Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: paxsunc.eng.umd.edu Hi, Can anyone tell me the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin Simms? I wish to get detailed information about the origin of these two different types of Simms, preferably a magazine review aricle. By the way, if there is a FAQ for this group which covers the Simms information, please also direct me to it. Any help/information would be very much appreciated. Sincerely, Yu-Jen Wu Dept. of EE, Univ. of Maryland yjwu@eng.umd.eu " 9639,12,"From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) Subject: Re: History question Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu In article <1qnroe$d1n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes: >An now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had >worked on during WWII. > >They needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose >was to bellow at refugees from aircraft. > >Their solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with >parallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it >worked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}. Gee, I got the idea from somewhere that devices like this were in common use in WWII, so that commanders on board ships could bellow at the troops landing on a beach, for example. Which reminds me of an anecdote from the mid-60s. At a communications conference a Marine Corps communications officer said he didn't care much for all the spread-spectrum multi-access expensive communication systems that people were talking about at the time; what he wanted was a kilowatt broadcast transmitter on the ship and a $4.95 Japanese transistor radio stuck in the ear of every Marine hitting the beach. -- haynes@cats.ucsc.edu haynes@cats.bitnet ""Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"" ""No it aint! But ya gotta know the territory!"" Meredith Willson: ""The Music Man"" " 9640,12,"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Illusion Organization: your service Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com > This is not a new idea. At least 10 years ago I got this little gadget with > a keyboard on the back and 8 LED's in a vertical row on the front. It has a > long handle and when you wave it in the air it ""writes"" the message you typed > on the keyboard in the air. ---------- This is not news. In fact it's where I got the idea from, since it was such a neat item. Mattell made it, I believe, modeled after a ""space saber"" or ""light sword"" or something likewise theme-y. My addition was using a motor for continuous display, and polar effects in addition to character graphics. I should have protected it when I had the chance. No one to kick but myself... Ten years ago is about right, since I built mine in '84 or '85. " 9641,18,"From: drk@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (Dave Kohr) Subject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3 Organization: CS Dept., Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 19 In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: >The USA could go quite far to mend the bridges with Iran. The people >there are rather pissed off because the USA first supported the Shah who >they loathed and then supported Saddam when he mounted an unprovoked >attack. Hardly surprizing after the embassy hostage crisis but Iran is >meant to be the country run by unreasonable bigots not the USA so if there >is to be movement it would be easier for the USA to move. > >Phill Hallam-Baker It is also widely stated (in non-mainstream sources) that the CIA had a large part in the overthrow of the popular (and popularly-elected) left-leaning Premier Mossadegh in 1953. Is this widely recognized outside the U.S.? (I have never seen it mentioned at all in mainstream U.S. media.) How about within Iran? -- Dave Kohr CS Graduate Student Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561 Home: (217)359-9350 E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu ""One either has none or not enough."" " 9642,1,"From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL. Lines: 34 renner@adobe.com (John Renner) writes: > In article <19930420.090030.915@almaden.ibm.com> capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Ca > >In Ferdinand Oeinck writes: > >>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double > >>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. > > > >See: > > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, > > ""A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves"", > > ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163. > > I've used that reference, and found that I needed to go to their > original tech report: > > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, > ""Characterizing Cubic Bezier Curves"" > Xerox EDL-88-8, December 1988 > First, thanks to all who replied to my original question. I've implemented the ideas from the article above and I'm very satisfied with the results. I needed it for my bezier curve approximation routine. In some cases (generating offset curves) loops can occur. I now have a fast method of detecting the generation of a curve with a loop. Although I did not follow the article above strictly. The check if the fourth control point lies in the the loop area, which is bounded by two parabolas and one ellips is too complicated. Instead I enlarged the loop-area and surrounded it by for straight lines. The check is now simple and fast and my approximation routine never ever outputs self-intersecting bezier curves again! Ferdinand. " 9643,17,"From: koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: rize.ece.orst.edu > Problem 1 > > My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the > Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary > heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. > The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, > pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third > time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were > still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from > this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the massacre. > Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. " 9644,14,"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes: > be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no > materials we can't get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids > and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low > grade fusion reactors. I don't know what a ""low grade"" fusion reactor is, but the major problem with 3He (aside from the difficulty in making any fusion reactor work) is that its concentration in lunar regolith is just so small -- on the order of 5 ppb or so, on average (more in some fractions, but still very small). Massive amounts of regolith would have to be processed. This thread reminds me of Wingo's claims some time ago about the moon as a source of titanium for use on earth. As I recall, Wingo wasn't content with being assured that titanium (at .5% in the Earth's crust, average) would not run out, and touted lunar mines, even though the market price of ilmenite concentrate these days is around $.06/pound. This prompted me to look up large potential terrestrial sources. On the moon, titanium occurs in basalts; ""high-Ti"" basalts (Apollo 11 and 17) have 8-14% titanium dioxide (by weight). This is nice, but... terrestrial continental flood basalts are also typically enriched in titanium. They very often have 3% TiO2, frequently have 4%, and sometimes even 5% TiO2 (again, by weight). These flood basalts are *enormous* -- millions of cubic kilometers, scattered all over the world (Siberia, Brazil, the NW United States, Ethiopia, etc.). If even 1% of the basalts are 5% TiO2, this is trillions of tons of TiO2 at concentrations only a factor of 2-3 less than in lunar high-Ti basalts. It is difficult to see how the disadvantages of the moon could be overcome by such a small increase the concentration of the ore (never mind the richer, but less common, terrestrial ores being mined today). Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu " 9645,2,"From: absgh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (G Hunt) Subject: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK Lines: 19 This may be a simple question but: We have a number of PC's which we use to link to a mainframe using Novell LAN WorkPlace for DOS (via WIndows 3.1). Now, to make life easier for us we are thinking of using Windows for Workgroups to allow file sharing across our PC network. Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace for DOS at the same time. ie Can I access a file on another PC while being logged on to the mainframe at the same time, simultaneously. Any help well appreciated. Gary Hunt. Centre for Advanced Studies in Architecture University of Bath absgh@gdr.bath.ac.uk " 9646,12,"From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 19 >There are devices you can buy and/or make. Look in Radio & Popular >Electronics mags for the devices. If all else fails, you can build one >using the curcuit design from the Dec. '87 issue of Radio Electronics. My very favorite ad for such a device is on the back of the latest Damark catalog. Quoting from memory: [Big flashy type] ""Dual deck VCR copies any tape -- Even those that are copy protected!*"" (And underneath the ad in very small print: *This device is not intended for making illegal copies of copyrighted material.) :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! " 9647,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 138 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >And I maintain: > >Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that >they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too >afraid of having to face the world on their own terms. And so, by >their own choice, they will remain in darkness, sort of like bugs >under a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the >darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable. >These people will crawl out from under the rock, and, although blinded >at first, will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth. And, >after a while, now that they can see things for what they really are, >they will also see the heights which they can reach, and the places >they can go, and they will learn to choose their own paths through the >world, and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their >successes. Are you your own master? Do you have any habits that you cannot break? For one, you seem unable to master your lack of desire to understand even the slightest concept of the Bible. Seems that ignorance has you mastered. How about sexual sins? Gotta any of those secret desires in your head that you harbor but can get control of? Do you dehumanize women when they walk past you? Do you degrade them to a sex object in your head? Are you the master of that kind of thinking? Do you insult people unknowingly, then regret it later. Yet do it again the next time opportunity presents itself? Are you truly the master of yourself? I have admitted that I am not the master of my thought life at all times. That I sometimes say things I do want to say, and then repeat my mistake unwantingly. I have admitted to myself that I cannot control every aspect of my being. There are times I know I shouldn't say something, but then say it anyway. There are times I simply forget a lesson. I, in fact, am not my own master. I need help. Jesus promised me this help. And I took him up on his offer. I have willfully let Jesus be my master because Jesus knows what is better for me than I myself do. And why not? Does not the creator know his creation better than the creation? Does Toyota know what's better for the Corolla than the Corolla? >Do you see my point? I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm >getting a great tan out here in the sunlight. My life has improved >immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me! It will be >a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the >long hike, but it's well worth it! Then I guess ignorance is bliss for you. Because Brian, you enjoy not having a clue about the Bible. >Don't you see? I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness >with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not >something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept. >Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good >*reason* to, don't you? Can you witness motherly love with your senses? How does caring and concern for you register with your senses? If nothing registers to you other than what you can see, taste, smell, hear and touch, then you better become a Vulcan and fast. You better get rid of your emotions. And I do have a good reason to believe what I do. >When did I say that? I say that I would rather CEASE EXISTING instead >of being subject to the whims of a deity, but that if the deity >decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who I am, then so be it. The topic was about my God and your lack of knowledge about what my God says. My God says that you will not CEASE EXISTING. You have life forever. You can choose to either live it in hell in eternal torment where there is no communication whatsoever, or can choose to live it in paradise with God. That is what my God says. And that was the issue. Your made-up theism is what it is--made up. It's wishful thinking. >Nope -- most people are Christian. Most people are fond of feeling >that they are imperfect, of believing that the world is an undesirable >place, of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and >holy again, of doing just as their priests tell them, like good little >sheep. You enjoy darkness, and you're proud of it. Is this the religion of Kendigianism? Most people are not Christian. Most people, including Christians, are not fond of feeling that they are imperfect. Is ""the world an undesireable place"" a doctrine of Kendigianism? It has nothing to do with my God. Does Kendigism have magical mystical prayers as a part of its worship? Mine doesn't. Does Kendigianism believe that the world will be holy again? Mine doesn't. Does Kendigianism also dictate that one must obey what the priest tells them like good little sheep? Mine doesn't. Is this a bunch of lies you tell yourself so that you can justify being ignorant of the Bible? Brian, following Christ has nothing to do with the doctrines of Kendigianism. You would find any of your doctrines in the Bible. I don't follow Kendigianism. I follow Christ. Also, to try to again show you your ignorance of Christ and the Bible in regards to ""priests"", have you not read about the sole Melchizedek priest in Hebrews 7 and 8? Have you not read what the purpose is of the Old Testament Levitical priesthood and why there should NOT be priests today? Yes, guess what? The Catholics messed up. I do not follow Catholicism or any ""ism."" I follow Christ. >Nope. You make decisions, enjoy your successes, and accept your >failures; then you die. If you are content with the life you've led >as you reflect back on it in your final moments, then you've led a >good life. Why would you want to live a good life? To you, you die and that's it. Don't contradict yourself. You have no reason to live a good life. It doesn't do you any good in the end. Your life doesn't do anybody else any good either because everyone dies anyway. So you have no reason to lead a good life. Leading a good life is meaningless. Why do you do such a meaningless thing? >I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god >I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in >which case it's not really all that important. Has the resurrection sunk in? Jesus is alive. Jesus is NOT dead. Jesus was sacrified to fufill the Old Testament sacrificial system in its every detail. Jesus's death was like a seed. He needed to fall to the ground so that many new lives would take root. Did you miss the entire John passage as well? >Forget the Bible for a minute. Forget quoting verses, forget about >who said what about this or that. *Show me.* Picture just you and me >and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right. Forget that I am a person. Forget that I know how to type. Forget that I know how to put a sentence together. Forget that I know how to send e-mail. Forget my existence. Proove to me that I exist. . Be honest. " 9648,4,"From: roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk Subject: Re: AD conversion Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 36 b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) writes: > In article <1993Apr13.181720.13214@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk > wrote: > > > > I am working a data acquisition and analysis program to collect data > > from insect sensory organs. > > > > (stuff deleted) > > > > Another alternative is the use of the sound input port. > Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit > converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps > AC-coupled as well? It clearly depends on the type of questions you are asking but in many cases it will do fine. The critical information from the neuron is in the firing frequency (maximum about 100 action potentials per seconds), and not in the amplitude of the signal or in details of the signal shape. So the resolution of about 0.4 % you get with an 8 bit convertor is more then sufficient. AC coupling does not have to be a problem either, since in many cases you are not interested in the DC level. My pre amplifier is AC coupled also. The critical point is the lowest frequency that will pass. If the cutoff point is to high, the action potentials will be slightly distorted. But even that normally does not matter since it is the occurrence of the spike that is important. However, I do want to know what exactly I can expect before I start battling with the toolbox to get it going. As yet I have no clue were to start looking for the technical specifications. Peter. roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk " 9649,7,"From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Lines: 36 parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever >>> >>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! >>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much >>less any Corvette. I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are >>trying to say here..... >Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side >would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of >parking stalls... While I can't think of any Corvettes with side mounted backup lights, I know that Saab started using them about 15 years ago. My 1975 Saab 99 didn't have them, but a friend's 1978 Saab 99 certainly did. In addition to the confentional tail-light mounted backup lights, they had another set integrated into the front turn signal assembly. For those of you who don't remember, Saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic growth, about the size of a _National Geographic_ magazine, sticking out of the front fender, which incorporated amber ""parking lights"", amber side marker lights/reflectors, white ""cornering lamps"" (like American luxury cars) aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators on, and white ""backup lights"" aimed towards the back of the car when you have selected reverse gear. The glossy brochure showed how these front mounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards (pot holes, kid's toys, etc) that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the wheels turned while backing up. Mart L. Molle Computer Systems Research Institute University of Toronto Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 (416)978-4928 " 9650,13,"From: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Reply-To: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people >in every country who waste time and money on quackery. >In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. >What are ""most of these countries?"" I don't believe you. I am told (by the person who I care a lot about and who I am worried is going to start putting his health and money into homeopathy without really knowing what he is getting into and who is the reason I posted in the first place about homeopathy) that in Britain homeopathy is available on the National Health Service and that there are about 6000 GPs who use homeopathic practices. True? False? What? Have there been any important and documented investigations into homeopathic principles? I was reading a book on homeopathy over the weekend. I turned to the section on the principles behind homeopathic medicine, and two paragraphs informed me that homeopaths don't feel obliged to provide any sort of explanation. The author stated this with pride, as though it were some sort of virtue! Why am I sceptical about homeopathy? Is it because I am a narrow-minded bigot, or is it because homeopathy really looks more like witch-doctory than anything else? Daniele. " 9651,6,"From: walljm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Wall) Subject: Incredible Car...Incredible Price Article-I.D.: mentor.C52vIy.8Do Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 18 My brother is preparing to pay another year of college expenses and asked me to post this. 1987 Alfa Romeo Gold Milano Model V-6 Engine Power Everything! Seats 4 comfortably Looks / runs great $3,600 O.B.O. Contact: Brian Wall (214) 393-1216 if interested (Dallas Area) " 9652,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 25 In article schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes: >Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or ""as-will-be"") for use >as a reuseable sounding rocket? DC-X as is today isn't suitable for this. However, the followon SDIO funds will. A reusable sounding rocket was always SDIO's goal. >Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the >bastard Son of NLS. So did I. There is a lot going on now and some reports are due soon which should be very favorable. The insiders have been very bush briefing the right people and it is now paying off. However, public support is STILL critical. In politics you need to keep constant pressure on elected officials. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 9653,14,"From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker) Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question Organization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: sci Lines: 29 In article <15APR199320340428@stdvax> abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) writes: >In article , ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes... >>There has been something bothering me while watching >>NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say >>bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When >>they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget >>exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think) >>""Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected >>errors. ..."". I am wondering what an ""expected error"" might >>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but > > >In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous >pre-launch ops would qualify. Something like ""Caution: SRBs >have just been armed."" Also in pure speculation: Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered. ""Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"" Any problem where they decided a backup would handle it. Any problem in an area that was not criticality 1,2,3..., that is, any problem in a system they decided they could do without. I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is. tom " 9654,15,"From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 7 Jerry Kaufman writes: >The Bible says that He looks on the heart as the >final measure. From that perspective, in a grading context, the heart is >the final test. Very true. One might also say that life is an Open Book Test. " 9655,6,From: awakhras@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Amer Wahid Akhras) Subject: CD's For Sale Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Distribution: USA Lines: 26 The following used CD's are for sale. They are each $8 unless otherwise marked. I will pay for the shipping and handling costs. If you are interested in any just e-mail me at awakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu. At that point we will figure out the payment and mailing procedure. Artist Title Robbie Robertson Storyville Love and Rockets Love and Rockets Jeff Lynne Armchair Theatre Elvis Costello Mighty Like a Rose Public Image LTD 9 Neneh Cherry Raw Like Sushi Bobby Brown Don't Be Cruel Depeche Mode Black Celebration Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1 Bad Company 10 from 6 Soul II Soul Vol. II-1990 A New Decade The Godfathers More Songs About Love and Hate Paul McCartney Flowers in the Dirt Simply Red Stars Prince Graffitti Bridge Amer Akhras awakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu 9656,1,"From: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: Re: Sun IPX root window display - background picture Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu Keywords: sun ipx background picture Originator: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu I'm not sure if you got the information you were looking for, so I'll post it anyway for the general public. To load an image on your root window add this line to the end of your .xsession file: xloadimage -onroot -fullscreen & This is assuming of course you have the xloadimage client, and as for the switches, I think they pretty much explain what is going on. If you leave out the <&>, the terminal locks till you kill it. (You already knew that though...) Hope this helps. Daemon " 9657,6,"From: bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (Brandon Bates) Subject: WANTED: Video equipment (repost) Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Apr21.155915.10932 Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA) Lines: 11 I am looking for a working docking deck (deck that goes on back of camera) for an old JVC GX-S700 Tube video camera. Any format is acceptable. Please send me a message if you even know anything about decks for the GX-S700. Also interested in any video equipment for sale, professional or consumer. Thank you. ---- bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us -==- Pro-Freedom BBS - (206) 694-3276 ============================================================== " 9658,19,"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se Distribution: world Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England Lines: 77 Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok In article 17570@freenet.carleton.ca, ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) writes: > >In a previous article, david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) says: > >> >>I don't mean to be rude, but I think that you've got hold of the wrong >>end of a different stick... >> >>David > >I had a look at your posting again and I see what you mean! I was so >intent on explaining how Jung thought we could be more moral than God that >I overlooked your main line of thought. > >You seem to be saying that, God being unknowable, His morality is unknowable. Yep, that's pretty much it. I'm not a Jew but I understand that this is the Jewish way of thinking. However, the Jews believe that the Covenant between YHWH and the Patriarchs (Abraham and Moses, in this case) establishes a Moral Code to follow for mankind. Even the Jews could not decide where the boundaries fall, though. As I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all that was required, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern Judaism) believed that the Torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of the required Morality in all its nuances (->Talmud). The essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an interface between Man and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does not necessarily indicate anything about YHWH outside of that relationship (although one can speculate). > >The first thing that comes to mind is that man is supposed to be created >in His image, so there is an argument that we are committed to whatever >moral code He follows as part of trying to live up to that image. If we >are supposed to live by Christ's example, you would be hard pressed to >argue that God is a ""do what I say, not what I do"" kind of guy. The trouble with all of this is that we don't really know what the ""created in His image"" means. I've heard a number of different opinions on this and have still not come to any conclusion. This rather upsets the Apple Cart if one wants to base a Life Script on this shaky foundation (to mix metaphors unashamedly!) As to living by Christ's example, we know very little about Jesus as a person. We only have his recorded utterances in a set of narratives by his followers, and some very small references from comtemporary historians. Revelation aside, one can only ""know"" Christ second-hand or worse. This is not an attempt to debunk Christianity (although it may seem that way initially), the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the Bible to interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess this is where Faith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness. > >Metaphysically, if there are multiple moral codes then there is no >Absolute moral code, and I think this is theologically questionable. No. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple moral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral code. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told the child that it is ""wrong"". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in the pub or bar (where there are no children). The ""wrongness"" here is if the child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is ""inappropriate"" to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of animals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that he is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but you get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive as absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own. David. --- On religion: ""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, As they swam its clearness through. " 9659,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Hate Crimes Laws Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.043935.27366 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com >(Steve Hendricks) writes: >>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> >>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>>... >>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> >>() To deter an epidemic of ""gay bashing"" that has not been deterred by >> assault laws. > >So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a >straight? And who's advocating that? Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations of the acts. Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than heat-of-passion homicide. >>() No, it is not ""double jeopardy."" A single act may lead to multiple >> charges and multiple crimes. > >I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US >Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single >act should never merit more than on charge. So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property damage? After all, the bomb was a single act. >Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal " 9660,14,"From: wiml@stein2.u.washington.edu (William Lewis) Subject: Re: Abyss--breathing fluids Organization: University of Washington Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: >Besides the mechanical problems of moving so dense a medium in oan out >of the lungs (diaphragm fatigue, etc.), is there likely to be a problem >with the mixture? I mean, since the lungs never expel all the air in >them, the inhaled air has to mix pretty quickly with the residual air in >the lungs to provide a useful partial pressure of oxygen, right? Would >this mixing be substantially faster/slower at the pressures we're >talking about? There was an interesting article in Scientific American some time ago about breathing liquid. (It was a few months before _The Abyss_ came out.) As far as I can remember, they mentioned three things that were difficult to do at once with a substitute breathing fluid: - low viscosity --- if it's too difficult to force the fluid in & out of the lungs, you can't extract enough oxygen to power your own breathing effort (let alone anything else) - diffusion rate --- obviously, not all the air in your lungs is expelled when you breathe out; and the part that isn't expelled is the part that's nearest the walls of the alveoli. (alveolus?) So the trip from the blood vessels to the new air has to be done by diffusion of the gas through the fluid. Apparently oxygen tends to diffuse more readily than CO2, so even if you can get enough oxygen in, you might not be able to get enough CO2 out. - oxygen/CO2 capacity --- you have to be able to dissolve enough gas per unit volume. Oh, and of course, your new breathing fluid must not irritate the lungs or interfere with their healing or anything like that... -- Wim Lewis, wiml@u.washington.edu " 9661,18,"From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) Subject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 147 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr18.001116.19872@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes... >The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees. > >Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then why do we really need national health insurance then? Wouldn't it just make more sense to find some way to cut down on the cost of malpractice insurance? And maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that it is next to impossible in Canada to litigate against the health system-class action suits are nearly impossible, and you can't sue the provincial health officials at all. > >Part of the deal for using the all-insurance approach like the French >and Germans do (hey, why don't they criticize France and Germany? Is >it because too many people take French and German in college to make >the accusations stick? (-;) was to preserve the doctors independance. >Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when >the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors >were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength >rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized >medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service. Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it is. Ask most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get more powerful. >For non-life threatening things, market arguments adequately cover why >certain procedures are in scarcer demand. I have MD friends who can't >make a living as specialists back in Manitoba not due to the insurance >rates but because they won't get enough customers -- the CMA medical >monopoly's grip on doctors licencing (as in the US) aside -- so they >must move to larger places. However, this does not refute debunking >of waiting lines for urgent AND routine care, as has been done in the >U.S. by Consumers Reports, health policy studies cited by Prof. Dennis >E. Shea on USENET, CNN, NYT, etc. Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside Ottawa. Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some studies I've heard about have suggested that about half the patients there are civilians who not only have connections but aren't ""urgent"" at all. The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations out of medical decisions? I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good friends with one, you're put on any hospital's ""urgent"" care list no matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who gets bumped off the list for some bigshot. >>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW >>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? >> >>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental >>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private >>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private >>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 >>a month. Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage of GNP spent on health care if dentistry and optometry were included in the accounting? Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much on health care as we do. > >Of course, the one thing to note is that in the Canada/France/Germany >case, private insurance *offloaded* the basic coverage to the public >sector. They realized they were keeping low-risk/high-profit extra >insurance for things like private/semi-private rooms (vs. ward >accomodation), dental, glasses, etc. for corporate or personal >benefits, they'll have nothing to do with you if you want to be >covered for basic care. > >At that point, they wouldn't even consider a ""voucher"" approach >to broker the universal coverage and sell policies to make up >the difference in the federal guidelines and market stuff. So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. Bob Rae, the second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a few years ago that if they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such huge numbers, ""the services they expect from the province just won't be there in a few years"" (Fortunately for them (and less fortunately for the retailers here in Western New York) the Canadian dollar went back to a more realistic value). He didn't say so, but I knew he meant the OHIP. What would happen if his warning turned out to be the truth? Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of practice in handling such basic services, too). > >>****************************************************************** >> >>WOULDN'T FREE CARE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN TO THE DOCTOR FOR EVERY >>ACHE AND PAIN? >> >>People who get free treatment *do* go to the doctor and hospital about >>a third more often than those who have to pay a share of their medical >>bills. >> >>Still, Canadians -- who pay nothing at the doctor's -- have a lower >>per-person health bill than we do. > >It is ""free"" in that there are no deductibles nor copayments (two >things which I advocate to make the Canadian insurance look more like >real health insurance -- which actually it is). I know that when >working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying >for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed on my >pay stub; Manitoba did not collect at paycheque time, but only >annually at income tax time (built into the tax rate). Only fiscal >naifs will proclaim that it's free, along with the Canadian Left for >that is part of their brainwashing agenda. Would that it were free. Americans would start another revolution if they had to pay taxes at Canadian rates. >>ISN'T THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY JUST TOO BIG >>AND POWERFUL TO KILL? >> >>Dismantling the health segment of our insurance industry would be >>""politically thorny,"" in the quiet words of one advocate for a >>national plan. Some 1,200 firms now sell more than $192 billion in >>health insurance. They'd put up a hard fight. Not only has the industry >>grown eightfold since Canada shut down its own health insurers, but >>our government leaves politicians more open to lobbyists than does >>Canada's parliamentary system. > >Health insurance does exist in Canada and in Western Europe, its >just that it doesn't cover basic care. You can opt out in Canada >and Germany, but you'll have to go uninsured as a result because >there are too few other people that do so --- i.e., no market. > >When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the >risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe >amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on >the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat >themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec >last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against >any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's >public health insurance plan. Again, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that much power. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn't go along with the provinces and the federal government years ago because they knew that there was a good chance of the public system going bust in the long run, and then afterwards they could clean up (Okay, this sort of contradicts what I said higher up. But it's another possibility). They'd have an added bonus when arguing against government involvement in their industry-as they could then point to its failure instead of just citing theoretical principles. " 9662,9,"From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Nntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 32 In article , ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) writes: |> |> I totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked |> like a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux |> pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball |> all |> day. I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. |> Watching |> the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about |> what |> the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he |> stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til |> Sandberg returns! I tell you, Steve Stone is like a prophet. He must be making a ton in the boradcoast booth because I can't understand why he's not actually back in the game itself. The other day he called Sosa's homerun against the Sox and claimed the game would be going into extra innings when the score was 8-3 in the 5th. So yesterday he notices that Sosa's ahead in the count against Maddux and says, ""This is a fastball situation and Sosa will be looking for it. But this is also the spot where Maddux throws the straight change."" Sure enough. Sosa gets ahead on it and pops it up to the infield. Stoney for Cubs manager! -Rick " 9663,5,"From: christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) Subject: XFree86 --- need help... Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 23 Hi, I just got XFree86 running on my pc with Consensys and encountered a few minor (I hope) probems. The pc is hooked up to a LAN where I want remote X applications to connect to my X-server. I believe the command to permit this is xhost. When I'm logged on my pc and type 'xhost + ' , I get the error message saying ""You must be on local machine to enable access"". what does this mean ? ain't I already on the local machine? Another problem I have is with the mouse movement. I find that the mouse cursor moves extremely slow and choppy. How can I make the mouse cursor move more accurately? thank in advance. Any help is much appreciated. please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca. Christy " 9664,7,"From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 37 In article <34544@oasys.dt.navy.mil> glouie@oasys.dt.navy.mil (George Louie) writes: >In rec.autos, nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes: >>Ashtrays and cigarette lighters. These should be an *option*. > >Why make it an option. You can use the ashtray to store coins and other >small things which come in handy. Use the cigarette lighter as an electrical >outlet for all types of handy gadgets (CD players, vacuum cleaners, >flashlights, etc.) I don't want to pay extra for these things and if >you don't use them, they don't hurt you. I use the ashtray to keep change and other items in. I converted the cigarette lighter into a volume control knob for my in trunk subwoofer! > > >George >>-- . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ " 9665,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: new Multiple Sclerosis drug? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13 In article <12252@news.duke.edu> adm@neuro.duke.edu (Alan Magid) writes: >Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. So just what was it you wanted to say? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9666,0,"From: richard@harlqn.co.uk (Richard Brooksby) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK Lines: 21 Nanci Ann Miller writes: > snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > > More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. > > There are definitely quite a few horrible deaths as the result of > both atheists AND theists. ... Perhaps, since I'm a bit weak on > history, somone here would like to give a list of wars caused/led by > theists? ... This thread seems to be arguing the validity of a religious viewpoint according to some utilitarian principle, i.e. atheism/religion is wrong because it causes death. The underlying `moral' is that death is `wrong'. This is a rather arbitrary measure of validity. Get some epistemology. --- richard@harlequin.com (Internet) richard@harlequin.co.uk (Internet) RPTB1@UK.AC.CAMBRIDGE.PHOENIX (JANET) Zen Buddhist " 9667,10,"From: ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (""The Logistician"") Subject: #77's? Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now only of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanx. -- ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- | | | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- " 9668,2,"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Lines: 56 > tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: >> Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and >> Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a >> real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: > The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded > Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench > results are pretty much inflated. Two things that annoyed me about the PC Magazine review: 1. Their benchmarking technique is seriously flawed, as was clearly shown by the Graphite and #9GXE's ""cheating"". Can't they just admit that their benchmark is to easy to optimize for and/or cheat on? WinTach is much harder to beat... 2. The big ""cheat"" that Hercules/IIT used was overlappipping BitBlit and PolyLine optimization, and Hercules sent them a new driver which didn't do this -- but produced almost identical scores. Yet, the only thing PC Magazine says is that scores are not ""legitimate"" -- couldn't they at least make some comment about its real-world performance? I'm not so much going by WinBench for performance, but, rather, by Steve Gibson's results, which are more real-world based (like using Micrografx Draw to benchmark). If you believe Gibson, that is ... :) He writes: ""Despite these documented cheats, I have to say that in real-world applications the Hercules Graphite adapter actually draws faster than any other display adapter in the industry. [...] Even though it's just a modest ISA bus card, it outperformed every local bus adapter I have, including the Stealth 24 VLB, the Fahrenheit 1280VA/VLB, the ATI VLB Mach32 and even the Weitek P9000-based Diamond Viper VLB."" This kind of praise is enough for me to be interested in it, bogus WinBench or not! :) > When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off > you.. 9-) I already returned the ATI GU+. My dealer had sold eight of them, and seven were returned to him. I'm now (temporarily) back to running an original ATI GU, until I get my Graphite. And, yes, the GU is faster in my 16 MB system than the GU+, especially in bitmap handling (that's where you use BitBlits). Hercules has a promotion available for VARs and software developers: you can buy one Graphite or Graphite VLB for 50% off list to try it out. At just $199 for Graphite or $249 for the VLB version I decided it was worth trying (I'm supposed to get the VLB board within two weeks). I'll post my impressions when I get it... -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] [ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] " 9669,13,"From: wcsbeau@superior.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 101 In article <1993Apr15.190711.22190@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so >greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some >claim their heart ""skipped"" beats once in a while. Both of these symptoms are related - tachycardia. Getting a flushed face is due to the heart pumping the blood faster than a regular pulse. I suspect this is related to an increase in sodium levels in the blood, since note *sodium chloride* monosodium glutamate. Both are sodium compounds. Our bodies require sodium, but like everything else, one can get too much of a good thing. >Some reacted with headache, Again, this could be related to increased blood flow from increased heart rate, from the sodium in the MSG. Distended crainial arteries, essentially. One of many causes of headaches. There is no discrepency her, necessarily. >some stomach ache. Well stomache ache and vomiting tend to be related. Again, not necessarily a discrepency. More likely a related reaction. Vomiting occurs as a response to get rid of a noxious compound an organism has eaten. If a person can't digest the stuff (entirely possible - the list of stuff people are allergic to is quite long), and lacks an enzyme to break it down, gastrointestinal distress (stomach or belly ache) would be expected. > Some had watery eyes or running nose, These are respiratory reactions, and are now considered to be similar to vomitting. They are a way for the body to dispose of noxious compounds. They are adaptiove responses. Of course, it is possible some other food or environmental compound could be responsible for the symptoms. But it's important to remember that a lot opf these effets can be additive, synergystic, subtractive, etc, etc. It would be necessary to know exactly what was in a dish, and what else the person was exposed to. Respiratory does sound suspicious BUT resopiration and heart rate are connected. Things in the body are far from simple...very inetractive place, the vertebrate body. > some >had itchy skin or rashes. People respond in a myriad of ways to the same compound. It depends upon what it is about the compound that ""pisses off"" their body. Pollen, for example, of some plants aggrivates breathing in many people, because, when inhaled, it sets of the immune system, and an histamine attack is launched. The immune system goes overboard, causing the allergic person a lot of misery. And someone with an allergy to some pollens will have trouble with some herb teas that contain pollens (Chamomile, linden, etc). Drinking the substance can perturb that person's system as much as inhaling it. >More serious accusations include respiration >difficulty See above. And don't think that heart rate changes, and circulatory problems are not serious. They can be deadly. and brain damage. The area of the brain effected is the neuroendocrine system controlling the release of gonadotropin, the supra-hormone controlling the cyclical release of testosterone and estradiol, as well as somatostatin, and other steroids. Testing for effective dose would be, uh, a wee bit unethical. >Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one >suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. Absolutely. But it could also be some synergystic mess from eating , say, undetected shrimp or mushrooms (to which many are allergic), plus too much alcohol, and inhaling too much diesel fumes biking home, plus, let's say, having contracted flu from one's sig. other 3 days before from drinking out of the same glass. Could be all sorts of things. But it might be the MSG. >if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. If noone else got sick, its likely not food poisoning. Probably stomach flu or an undetected thing the guy's allergic to. Anyway, the human body's not a machine; people vary widely in their responses, and a lot of reactions are due to combinations of things. Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca " 9670,15,"From: tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 31 In article atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no >reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad >enough. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think >that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus >with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements >as metaphorical. Phew! That takes a load off. I don't want to live forever. I wish most Christians held this view. You can't walk across campus in spring without being assailed by fire-and-brimstone preachers. I really think the metaphor should be limited, at least with respect to teaching our children. It's criminal to put these ideas into a young and trusting mind. Besides, why not rely on the positive aspects of your religion to win their faith? -Tim ______________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, | | BRENT@bank.ecn.purdue.edu | only when he accepts that he is but a | |=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. | | PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza | | MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] | |_______________________________|______________________________________________| ________________________________________________________________________________ " 9671,4,"From: tpd6908@yak.COM (Tom Dickens) Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 22 I too have been watching the IIsi speedup reports and plan to upgrade in the next few weeks. The plan I have is to build a small board with a few different crystals on it and to be able to switch between the different speeds using a front pannel switch. This way I can get the speed when I want but I can also run at slower (stock) speeds it I experience any compatability problems with any applications. I don't expect to be able to switch clock speeds with the system running, but if I can switch without any lock-up problems, then I could switch to 33MHz when needed and put it back to idle (20 MHz) when not needeed. This would further reduce the wear-and-tear on the CPU even with a heat sink. Of course I would not want to run the different clock signals through the switch but use a chip or two on the board to select the frequency desired and route it directly to the mother board. I haven't started probing around inside my si yet. Does anyone know the voltage level to power the crystal oscilators? Thanks. <<< Tom Dickens: Boeing Computer Services tpd6908@yak.ca.boeing.com >>> <<< These statements are mine and not Boeing's >>> " 9672,12,"From: domain@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (george.d.hodge) Subject: Dayton Hamfest Summary: Where and when is Dayton Hamfest Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 14 Some weeks ago, someone posted an article telling when and where a hamfest and computerfest was going to be help in Dayton, OH. Unfortunately, I lost the article and I was wondering if someone could repost it. I believe it was being held the 23,24,and 25 of this month at the Dayton convention center but I'm not sure. Any help and more details would be greatly appreciated. george.d.hodge domain@cbcat.att.com " 9673,4,"From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Lines: 13 Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes: >What the heck is this? Is this true? APS has no info, since they get their >Formatter from Apollyonics and they haven't been any help... ------------ Actually, it's Transoft now, and that's what I meant ;) -- Jim Jagielski | ""And he's gonna stiff me. So I say, jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something, NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"" Greenbelt, MD 20771 | " 9674,12,"From: acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu (Andy Collins) Subject: Voltage regulation and current limiting Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu Summary: Need help!!! One not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys... For our class project, we need to design and build a power supply to the following specs: Voltatge: adjustable from 1-12V Current: *limited* at 1A Voltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A AC ripple less than 5 mV (rms) Of course, we can't just use an adjustable voltage, current-limiting regulator chip ;^) Our problem is with the current limiting (i.e. we've found stuff to do the rest of the parts of the circuit). What the supply must do, if presented with a load which would draw more than 1A, given the supply voltage, is reduce the voltage so that the current will equal one amp. Thus, if we were to short the thing with the ammeter, we should read one amp. If we measure the current through a 1 ohm resistor at 12V, we should read one amp (and the output voltage, by necessity, must be 1V. The only basic idea we have seen for the current limiter involves a circuit which will pull current off of the base of the output power transistor, and therefore reduce the output. So, does anybody have any ideas we could work from? Thanks in advance. Andy Collins, KC6YEY acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu ps: If anybody wants to flame this as a stupid project, I agree fully, but I still have to do it, its graded ;^) " 9675,6,"From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason) Subject: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, etc.. For Sale Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept. Lines: 460 NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu Updated April 17, 1993. 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Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space. -- Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu " 9676,1,"From: pallis@server.uwindsor.ca (PALLIS DIMITRIOS ) Subject: Re: Genoa Blitz 24 hits 1600x1200x256 NI ! Lines: 3 i am sorry, but this genoa card does nothing that the ATI ultra plus 2mb can't do, PLUS the ATI costs 330$US street price .... " 9677,3,"From: tbdrude@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude) Subject: Local Dealer Service (WAS: The infamous Gateway 2000 video/monitor problem: info requested!) Article-I.D.: infonode.1993Apr6.215651.15518 Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Lines: 42 In article <93092.143450GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> Greg Spath writes: >In article , mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) says: >>So, by going mailorder through Gateway, I save ~13%. Plus, I get >>technical support over the phone, free software package. >Have fun trying to get hold of technical support over the phone. At least >locally you can walk right up to the dealer and tell him what is wrong, and >he has to fix it. ^^^ How long does he have to take in fixing it? Does he have to use new parts when he repairs it or can he substitute used parts without your knowledge? Can he charge you for repairs that should be under warranty but he claims are due to improper maintenance on your part? When it comes to local dealers: - Have fun getting consistently good support. Most of their ""techs"" are re-treaded salesmen, not trained technicians, with a high turnover rate. - Have fun getting in-warranty work done quickly and courteously. - Have fun getting out-of-warranty work done cheaply, or even done period, unless you are on a paid service contract. Having been both a service technician, and a service manager, at a ComputerLand franchise and another retail computer place, I know what I'm talking about. I also know the ""local service"" scam that retail computer dealers like to push when they're selling. It's that same old song that car dealers having been singing for years -- ""Buy from me and you'll get good service. We always treat our customers right! Buy from my competition and you'll be sorry if you need service."" Experienced mail order buyers know that there are some mail order companies that give excellent service, including overnight replacement parts, on-site calls, etc. There are probably some local dealers that can give you good service, too. But if you think all local dealers give consistenly good service, you are wrong. I have many anectdotes to prove my point, but I'm sure there are others on the net can do a better job than I can. - Ted Drude (tbdrude@infonode.ingr.com) " 9678,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 23 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > I have just started reading the articles in this news >group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet >other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said >that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his >server who keeps a file on him in hope that ""Appropriate action >might be taken"". > I don't know where you guys are from but in America >such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are >not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind >regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic >repressive ideals back to where you came from. Freedom of speech does not mean that others are compelled to give one the means to speak publicly. Some systems have regulations prohibiting the dissemination of racist and bigoted messages from accounts they issue. Apparently, that's not the case with virginia.edu, since you are still posting. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 9679,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: na Lines: 53 In article <1993Apr16.013145.8770@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes: > >Right. So who cares which PLAYER gets credited, as long as the TEAM >gets more runs? If a player helps the TEAM get more R and RBI, but >doesn't score them all himself, who cares? Amusing, isn't it? Seems only the SDCNs realize how much baseball is a *team* game, combining efforts from every player for the win. Consider the Red Sox game last night. The Sox won 4-3 in the bottom of the 13th. Who won the game? -Clemens pitched a strong nine (?) innings, allowing only two runs. -Ryan pitched a couple shutout innings, though he needed some excellent defensive plays behind him to do so. -Quantrill pitched a couple of innings, gave up the go-ahead run, and got credited with the win when the Sox scored two in the bottom of the inning. Looks like a team effort to me! Yet only Quantrill got credit for the win. How about the offense? -Dawson and Vaughn hit (I think) HRs early in the game. Without either one, the Sox would have lost in nine. -Quintana led off the 13th with a solid single. -Zupcic pinch-ran for Quintana, providing the speed to go from first to third when... -Cooper ripped a *second* single in the inning. -Melvin avoided the DP, getting the run home with a sac fly. Not much of a help, but it was something. -Scrub Richardson then hit a double, scoring the speedy Cooper all the way from first! (Hill's lack of defense helped.) Cooper and Zupcic were credited with runs, Melvin and Richardson were credited with RBIs. But it seems to me that it was Quintana's hit that set up the whole inning! And did Melvin really contribute as much as Richardson? Furthermore, people seem to consider RBIs to be more significant than runs. Did Melvin contribute more than Cooper? Cooper provided the game-winning baserunner, and moved the tying run to third base with only one out! Assigning credit based on Runs and RBIs is clearly ridiculous. You can argue that OBP and SLG don't show you who came through in the clutch, but R&RBI don't do any better. At least OBP and SLG don't *claim* to try to tell you that. Here's to the Red Sox who contributed to last night's victory. All 20 of them! -Valentine " 9680,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Heil Hernlem In-Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 12:58:13 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and two wounded. In ""retaliation"", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded 8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!! Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) Very nice. Three people are murdered, and Bradly is overjoyed. When I hear about deaths in the middle east, be it Jewish or Arab deaths, I feel sadness, and only hope that soon this all stops. Apparently, my view point is not acceptable to people like you Bradly. Hernlem, you disgust me. Harry. " 9681,8,"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 10 In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: > >The Banana one isn't, IMHO. Ultra sticky labels printed with your >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. So what's your local hospital's favorite curse? -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 9682,4,"From: Katinka van der Linden Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:30:08 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: mac244.fenk.wau.nl Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 10 I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte 8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950. We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling, inits, I don't know what all. All the ""industry experts"" we phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator (???). Anybody know more? Thanks, Katinka van der Linden " 9683,6,"From: arvind@acuson.com (Arvind Jain) Subject: FOR SALE: Airline ticket for 48 States + Canada Summary: Airline ticket for 48 States + Cananda Keywords: sale ticket airline travel Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California Distribution: misc Lines: 14 FOR SALE: Northwest Airline Fly-Write ticket for travel within the 48 states and Canada from anywhere in the country. 2 One Way - $200 (each) 1 Round Trip - $350 This ticket has no restrictions, and is fully transferable. However, travel has to be completed buy June 4. email: arvind@acuson.com " 9684,2,"From: rick@silver.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.sjsu.edu Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 12 rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not >run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true >multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 >programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is >primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be >economical for most users. Correction: All Billy is promising is that it will run 'most' Windows 3.1 programs and the 'major' DOS programs. Do not expect everything you have to run under NT unless all you have are current MS apps. " 9685,3,"From: bss_brucep@vd.seqeb.gov.au (Bruce Powell) Subject: Re: ESDI with IDE??? -- Yes it should be Possible, Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr16.033802.6605@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (G Chow) writes: > In article <1qegfd$dqi@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl> monty@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl (Guido Leenders) writes: >>Hi, >> >>Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an >>IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system? >> >>I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work? >> >>Thanx in advance, >> >>Guido >>monty@win.tue.nl > > I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive > as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ? I can definitily say that you can use an RLL as Master and IDE as slave, as I have just upgraded my machine with a 200Mb IDE ( And custom Controller Mdl CI-1010 Extended IDE Controller ) While maintaining my RLL'd Wren as master Drive. The trick is the controller which supports up to 4 IDE Drives while coexisting with existing Controllers ( MFM,RLL,ESDI,SCSI ). So according to the Documentation it should work with ESDI, and I can assure you it works with RLL. Bruce Powell email: bss_brucep@vd.seqeb.gov.au " 9686,2,"From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) Subject: ATI Ultra Pro Confirmation Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 I have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have been positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm these? (I am interested in the EISA version in particular). 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM. 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches set but it is much slower. 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes. 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many cases. 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money. 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) Thanks for your feedback. I will summarize. Al -- Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew " 9687,0,"From: Patrick C Leger Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.alt.atheism: 15-Apr-93 Re: thoughts on christians by Dave Fuller@portal.hq.vi > I'm sick of religious types being pampered, looked out for, and WORST > OF ALL . . . . respected more than atheists. There must be an end > in sight. > I think it'd help if we got a couple good atheists (or even some good, steadfast agnostics) in some high political offices. When was the last time we had an (openly) atheist president? Have we ever? (I don't actually know; these aren't rhetorical questions.) How 'bout some Supreme court justices? One thing that really ticked me off a while ago was an ad for a news program on a local station...The promo said something like ""Who are these cults, and why do they prey on the young?"" Ahem. EVER HEAR OF BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what is... I used to be (ack, barf) a Catholic, and was even confirmed...Shortly thereafter I decided it was a load of BS. My mom, who really insisted that I continue to go to church, felt it was her duty (!) to bring me up as a believer! That was one of the more presumptuous things I've heard in my life. I suggested we go talk to the priest, and she agreed. The priest was amazingly cool about it...He basically said that if I didn't believe it, there was no good in forcing it on me. Actually, I guess he wasn't amazingly cool about it--His response is what you'd hope for (indeed, expect) from a human being. I s'pose I just _didn't_ expect it... I find it absurd that religion exists; Yet, I can also see its usefulness to people. Facing up to the fact that you're just going to be worm food in a few decades, and that there isn't some cosmic purpose to humanity and the universe, can be pretty difficult for some people. Having a readily-available, pre-digested solution to this is pretty attractive, if you're either a) gullible enough, b) willing to suspend your reasoning abilities for the piece of mind, or c) have had the stuff rammed down your throat for as long as you can remember. Religion in general provides a nice patch for some human weaknesses; Organized religion provides a nice way to keep a population under control. Blech. Chris ---------------------- Chris Leger Sophomore, Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering Remember...if you don't like what somebody is saying, you can always ignore them! " 9688,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 04/10 - Mathematical Cryptology Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 203 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 4 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Mathematical Cryptology. Private-key systems. Types of attacks (brute-force, cyphertext, plaintext, etc.). Mathematical formulation of cryptography. Security of one-time pads. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part04 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 4: Mathematical Cryptology This is the fourth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem? * What is an attack? * What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically? * Why is the one-time pad secure? * What's a ciphertext-only attack? * What's a known-plaintext attack? * What's a chosen-plaintext attack? * In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks? * What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy? * In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem? A private-key cryptosystem consists of an encryption system E and a decryption system D. The encryption system E is a collection of functions E_K, indexed by ``keys'' K, mapping some set of ``plaintexts'' P to some set of ``ciphertexts'' C. Similarly the decryption system D is a collection of functions D_K such that D_K(E_K(P)) = P for every plaintext P. That is, succesful decryption of ciphertext into plaintext is accomplished using the same key (index) as was used for the corresponding encryption of plaintext into ciphertext. Such systems, wherein the same key value is used to encrypt and decrypt, are also known as ``symmetric'' cryptoystems. * What is an attack? In intuitive terms a (passive) attack on a cryptosystem is any method of starting with some information about plaintexts and their corresponding ciphertexts under some (unknown) key, and figuring out more information about the plaintexts. It's possible to state mathematically what this means. Here we go. Fix functions F, G, and H of n variables. Fix an encryption system E, and fix a distribution of plaintexts and keys. An attack on E using G assuming F giving H with probability p is an algorithm A with a pair f, g of inputs and one output h, such that there is probability p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n), if we have f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and g = G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)). Note that this probability depends on the distribution of the vector (K,P_1,...,P_n). The attack is trivial (or ``pointless'') if there is probability at least p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n) if f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and g = G(C_1,...,C_n). Here C_1,...,C_n range uniformly over the possible ciphertexts, and have no particular relation to P_1,...,P_n. In other words, an attack is trivial if it doesn't actually use the encryptions E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n). An attack is called ``one-ciphertext'' if n = 1, ``two-ciphertext'' if n = 2, and so on. * What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically? In basic cryptology you can never prove that a cryptosystem is secure. Read part 3: we keep saying ``a strong cryptosystem must have this property, but having this property is no guarantee that a cryptosystem is strong!'' In contrast, the purpose of mathematical cryptology is to precisely formulate and, if possible, prove the statement that a cryptosystem is strong. We say, for example, that a cryptosystem is secure against all (passive) attacks if any nontrivial attack against the system (as defined above) is too slow to be practical. If we can prove this statement then we have confidence that our cryptosystem will resist any (passive) cryptanalytic technique. If we can reduce this statement to some well-known unsolved problem then we still have confidence that the cryptosystem isn't easy to break. Other parts of cryptology are also amenable to mathematical definition. Again the point is to explicitly identify what assumptions we're making and prove that they produce the desired results. We can figure out what it means for a particular cryptosystem to be used properly: it just means that the assumptions are valid. The same methodology is useful for cryptanalysis too. The cryptanalyst can take advantage of incorrect assumptions. Often he can try to construct a proof of security for a system, see where the proof fails, and use these failures as the starting points for his analysis. * Why is the one-time pad secure? By definition, the one-time pad is a cryptosystem where the plaintexts, ciphertexts, and keys are all strings (say byte strings) of some length m, and E_K(P) is just the sum (let's say the exclusive or) of K and P. It is easy to prove mathematically that there are _no_ nontrivial single-ciphertext attacks on the one-time pad, assuming a uniform distribution of keys. Note that we don't have to assume a uniform distribution of plaintexts. (Here's the proof: Let A be an attack, i.e., an algorithm taking two inputs f, g and producing one output h, with some probability p that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and g = G(E_K(P)) (i.e., g = G(K + P)). Then, because the distribution of K is uniform and independent of P, the distribution of K + P must also be uniform and independent of P. But also the distribution of C is uniform and independent of P. Hence there is probability exactly p that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and g = G(C), over all P and C. Thus a fortiori A is trivial.) On the other hand the one-time pad is _not_ secure if a key K is used for more than one plaintext: i.e., there are nontrivial multiple-ciphertext attacks. So to be properly used a key K must be thrown away after one encryption. The key is also called a ``pad''; this explains the name ``one-time pad.'' * What's a ciphertext-only attack? In the notation above, a ciphertext-only attack is one where F is constant. Given only some information G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)) about n ciphertexts, the attack has to have some chance of producing some information H(P_1,...,P_n) about the plaintexts. The attack is trivial if it has just as good a chance of producing H(P_1,...,P_n) when given G(C_1,...,C_n) for random C_1,...,C_n. For example, say G(C) = C, and say H(P) is the first bit of P. We can easily write down an attack---the ``guessing attack,'' which simply guesses that H(P) is 1. This attack is trivial because it doesn't use the ciphertext: it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing correctly no matter what. On the other hand there is an attack on RSA which produces one bit of information about P, with 100% success, using C. If it is fed a random C then the success rate drops to 50%. So this is a nontrivial attack. * What's a known-plaintext attack? The classic known-plaintext attack has F(P_1,P_2) = P_1, G(C_1,C_2) = (C_1,C_2), and H(P_1,P_2) depending only on P_2. In other words, given two ciphertexts C_1 and C_2 and one decryption P_1, the known-plaintext attack should produce information about the other decryption P_2. Note that known-plaintext attacks are often defined in the literature as producing information about the key, but this is pointless: the cryptanalyst generally cares about the key only insofar as it lets him decrypt further messages. * What's a chosen-plaintext attack? A chosen-plaintext attack is the first of an increasingly impractical series of _active_ attacks on a cryptosystem: attacks where the cryptanalyst feeds data to the encryptor. These attacks don't fit into our model of passive attacks explained above. Anyway, a chosen-plaintext attack lets the cryptanalyst choose a plaintext and look at the corresponding ciphertext, then repeat until he has figured out how to decrypt any message. More absurd examples of this sort of attack are the ``chosen-key attack'' and ``chosen-system attack.'' A much more important form of active attack is a message corruption attack, where the attacker tries to change the ciphertext in such a way as to make a useful change in the plaintext. There are many easy ways to throw kinks into all of these attacks: for instance, automatically encrypting any plaintext P as T,E_K(h(T+R+P),R,P), where T is a time-key (sequence number) chosen anew for each message, R is a random number, and h is a one-way hash function. Here comma means concatenation and plus means exclusive-or. * In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks? Consider the following known-plaintext attack. We are given some plaintexts P_1,...,P_{n-1} and ciphertexts C_1,...,C_{n-1}. We're also given a ciphertext C_n. We run through every key K. When we find K such that E_K(P_i) = C_i for every i < n, we print D_K(C_n). If n is big enough that only one key works, this attack will succeed on valid inputs all the time, while it will produce correct results only once in a blue moon for random inputs. Thus this is a nontrivial attack. Its only problem is that it is very slow if there are many possible keys. * What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy? Say somebody is using the one-time pad---but isn't choosing keys randomly and uniformly from all m-bit messages, as he was supposed to for our security proof. In fact say he's known to prefer keys which are English words. Then a cryptanalyst can run through all English words as possible keys. This attack will often succeed, and it's much faster than a brute-force search of the entire keyspace. We can measure how bad a key distribution is by calculating its entropy. This number E is the number of ``real bits of information'' of the key: a cryptanalyst will typically happen across the key within 2^E guesses. E is defined as the sum of -p_K log_2 p_K, where p_K is the probability of key K. " 9689,19,"From: ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) Subject: Re: Christian Owned Organization list Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 19 In article $stephan@sasb.byu.edu (Stephan Fassmann) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.025426.22532@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: > >>In article <47749@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> shopper@ucsd.edu writes: >>> >>>Does anyone have or know where I can find a list of christian-owned >>>corporations and companies? One that I know of is WordPerfect. >> >>I believe that WordPerfect is actually owned by the Mormons. > >Sorry, WordPerfect is own by A mormon not the LDS Church. Slight semantical difference. The LDS Church does own a heck of a lot however. They are the largest land holder in MIssouri (where they think Christ will appear at the second coming). I believe they also own some large beverage company like Pepsi (that was why they had to take caffiene off of their ""forbidden substance"" list). " 9690,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 56 In article 6143@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr14.201910.13370@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >>1. You have completely missed the point with the Selke trophy. It goes >>to the best defensive forward. This is the forward who forgoes points >>to help his team out defensively. It is an unsung hero of sorts. Yes, >>Lemieux and Gilmour are good defensive players, but they play a more >>offensively oriented style than a true defensive forward. This year, > >You mean guys that check but can't score? The guys who can both check >and score shouldn't be candidates? Is that right? The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals from being scored- not to score them. When Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is why they are not Selke candidates. >>2. When Tarasov called Bob Gainey the best player in the world, it was >>assumed that he meaned the best _technical_ player- the one who knew >>every intricacy about playing hockey and never made a technical error. > >And who was it that made this assumption? All of your friends maybe? >Sorry Greg, but 2 people aren't enough...you can ""assume"" all that you >want to, but if you think Tarasov was serious then you are an idiot. Someone posted something about this assumption being lost in translation (it was a few months ago). Whoever this was please repost it. >>I agree with this assessment. Bob Gainey may have been the best technical >>player ever. > >Right Greg. Did you see this in the Sun or something? What did you think >of Claude Provost? Gainey was nothing more than a journeyman player who's >outstanding abilities were entirely political. He might have had a col- >lection of defensive skills but he had absolutely no offensive skills at >all. None. But perhaps you think that the abilities to pass the puck, shoot >the puck and deke a goalie or defenseman are not technical skills? Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. >Gee Greg, the pundits were calling Gilmour the best two-way player in the >league way back when he was with St. Louis. I would have expected you to >have picked up on that. Who are these pundits?? Gilmour was good with St Louis- but he was not the best two-way player in the game when he was with them. You have overhyped Gilmour on this net for months. He is a very good forward- but hardly the best in the NHL. Gregmeister " 9691,10,"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 38 mattb@hawk.samsung.com (Matt Brown) writes: [more about the Messier-Samuelsson incident] >While this is true, strictly speaking, it was the Rocksteady replicant who >initially used his stick illegally to measure Messier's ribcage. There is no >question in my mind, from seeing the replay in slo-mo, that Ulf-2000 was >coming at Messier with intent-to-""hasta la vista"" in mind, and should have >been gone for that. > I agree with Rick that Ulf's cross check wasn't illegal. It was the kind of check you see a dozen times during a game without being called. Slo-mos sometimes have a tendency to make things look worse than they really are. Besides, if Messier can't take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen. >So Staffan, how is Mattias Timmander doing this year? And any impression >on Markus Czeriew??? (lost my roster list) on Hammerby? Does it look like >they will make it to the Eliteserien for next year? And then get stomped >if Markus goes to Boston? > Well Matt, Mattias Timmander hasn't been playing with the MoDo elite league team yet (just the MoDo junior team), so I predict he needs a few more years here before he can join the B's. I saw him play in the Swedish championship game for junior players this year, and he played very well, a physical game, but not the kind of rough stuff that Ulfie does (I suspect you would like to have a Ulf type-of-player on the B's team too? :) As for Mariusz Czerkawski, he has had a *great* season for Hammarby in division 1. He scored -if I remember correctly- 93 points this season, and then we have to keep in mind that a 50+ point season in Sweden is considered *very good* due to the limited number of games. Mariusz is Djurgarden property (he was just on loan to Hammarby), so he will play in Elitserien next season, unless the B's can get him of course. I would say that Mariusz has to be one of the most exciting player to watch in Swedish hockey this season. Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey " 9692,10,"From: dale@odie.cs.mun.ca (Dale Fraser) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 28 icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: > The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida; >it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell >the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This community >has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. The >teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to try >to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language >tv and radio coverage? I think, as do the owners, that hockey will do well in Miami since there is a lot of people from the Northeast that spend their winters in Florida every year. As for the coverage, someone will have to come up with some money for that since broadcast rights can be expensive! Just my $0.02! Dale |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | ""Why sex is so popular | Dale Fraser dale@odie.cs.mun.ca | | Is easy to see: | Memorial University of Newfoundland | | It contains no sodium | CS Undergrad - Class of '92 | | And it's cholesterol free!"" |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | Shelby Friedman | BLUE JAYS 1992 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!! | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| | *OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE DO NOT BELONG TO ME OR THIS INSTITUTION!* | |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| " 9693,0,"From: jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <115571@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >In article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes: > >>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > >>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini >>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution >>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie's >>>behavior was not completely excusable. As much as I considered some of the (so-called) Islam-related dialogue here a total waste of time, I somehow can't restrain myself in this instance, so, Gregg, try this: 20:52 P.S.T. I come to my senses and accept the all-knowing wisdom and power of the Quran and Allah. Not only that, but Allah himself drops by to congratulate me on my wise choice. Allah rolls a few bones and we get down. Then Allah gets out the Crisco, bends over, and invites me to take a spin around the block. Wow. 20:56 P.S.T. I realize that maybe Allah is looking for more of a commitment than I'm ready for, so I say ""Man, I've got some programming to do. Gotta go. I'll call you."" 20:59 P.S.T Thinking it over, I renounce Islam. BTW, Gregg, Allah said he still thinks of you. Jim " 9694,10,"From: enolan@sharkbite.esd.sgi.com (Ed Nolan) Subject: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 4 Nntp-Posting-Host: sharkbite.esd.sgi.com If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking ties. " 9695,16,"From: shepard@netcom.com (Mark Shepard) Subject: S414 (Brady bill) loopholes? Keywords: brady handguns s414 hr1025 hr277 instant check waiting period Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Lines: 40 Hi. I've just finished reading S414, and have several questions about the Brady bills (S414 and HR1025). 1. _Are_ these the current versions of the Brady bill? What is the status of these bills? I've heard they're ""in committee"". How close is that to being made law? 2. S414 and HR1025 seem fairly similar. Are there any important differences I missed? 3. S414 seems to have some serious loopholes: A. S414 doesn't specify an ""appeals"" process to wrongful denial during the waiting period, other than a civil lawsuit(?) (S414 has an appeals process once the required instant background check system is established, but not before). B. the police are explicitly NOT liable for mistakes in denying/approving using existing records (so who would I sue in ""A"" above to have an inaccurate record corrected?) C. S414 includes an exception-to-waiting-period clause for if a person can convince the local Chief Law-Enforcement Officer (CLEO) of an immediate threat to his or her life, or life of a household member. But S414 doesn't say exactly what is considered a ""threat"", nor does it place a limit on how long the CLEO takes to issue an exception statement. True? Have I misunderstood? Any other 'holes? 4. With just S414, what's to stop a person with a ""clean"" record from buying guns, grinding off the serial numbers, and selling them to crooks? At minimum, what additional laws are needed to prevent this? 'Seems at min. a ""gun counting"" scheme would be needed (e.g., ""John Doe owns N guns""). So, if S414 passes, I wouldn't be surprised to see legislation for stricter, harder-to-forge I.D.'s plus national gun registration, justified by a need to make the Brady bill work. Please comment. I'm mainly interested in specific problems with the current legislation--I don't mean to start a general discussion of the merits of any/all waiting-period bills ever proposed. MarkS || shepard@netcom.com " 9696,6,"Subject: VHS movie for sale From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu Lines: 13 VHS movie for sale. Dance with Wovies ($12.00) The tape is new and just open, buyer pay shipping cost. If you are interested, please send your offer to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu thanks, Douglas Kou Hiram College " 9697,15,"From: poram%mlsma@att.att.com Subject: WBT (WAS: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK) Organization: AT&T Lines: 36 In article mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes: > > I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd >pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in >ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam >and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in >1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the >U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and >repression."" Having met Peter Kingston (of WBT) some years back, he struck me as an exemplery and dedicated Christian whose main concern was with translation of the Word of God and the welfare of the people group he was serving. WBT literature is concerned mainly with providing Scripture in minority languages. The sort of criticism leveled at an organisation such as this along the lines of ""ideological manipulation and cultural interference"" is probably no more than Christianising and education - in this WBT will stand alongside the early Christian missionaries to parts of Africa, or those groups who worked among native Americans a couple hundred years ago. > My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even >praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that >Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as >automatically above reproach. > > mp I think you need to substantiate these attacks as being a legitimate criticism of priorities other than spreading the gospel among underdeveloped people. Barney Resson ""Many shall run to and fro, & knowledge shall increase"" (Daniel) " 9698,18,"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two >new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not >from the fire. > > Thoughts? How can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than unconscious? > It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start >denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led >to the previous ruling appear. > > Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? >Shouldn't that be up to a jury? What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics, emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and forgot to call all of your witnesses. If we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new interpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find such witnesses. If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser could *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser becomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new expert witnesses). --Tim Smith " 9699,4,"From: dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek) Subject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade? Nntp-Posting-Host: daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 28 In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > >A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on >the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card. So far no responsed that >I've noticed. Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade >paths: Cost, efficiency, pros/cons, etc.. Thanks! Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent copy of MacWorld or MacUser. My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows: 25 MHz 68040 16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower than Q 950 style machines for sure). Ethertalk card on-board Audio in/out 4 MB RAM on motherboard 4 SIMM slots 2 NuBus slots. More flexible build-in video than the CI. Uses VRAM. In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you audio or ethernet or the same video options. With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I think it ends up costing more. Greg Dudek " 9700,2,"From: wongda@eecg.toronto.edu (Daniel Y.H. Wong) Subject: LOOKING FOR THE LATEST ACTIX DRIVERS FOR WINDOWS Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto, Canada Distribution: comp Lines: 14 Hi, anyone have the latest drivers for the Actix Graphics Accelerator Card? (32 plus) The one I have (version 1.21) seem to have a lot of problems. I believe the latest version is 1.3 and would someone please upload it to some ftp site so that I can download it. Thanks -- Daniel Y.H. Wong UofT:(416)978-1659 wongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu Electrical Engineering -- " 9701,11,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Distribution: na Lines: 268 clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: > The President today announced a new initiative that will bring > the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary > program to improve the security and privacy of telephone > communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law > enforcement. A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted... > For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our > private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the > tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of > protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate > the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and > law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against > industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Bla-bla. > protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption > technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the > unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used > by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter. > an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications > using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in > commercial use today. This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption algorithms in commercial use today... > This new technology will help companies protect proprietary > information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations > and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted > electronically. Except from the government. > At the same time this technology preserves the > ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to > intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip, they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to use it. > agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the > device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately > in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the > Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to > government officials with legal authorization to conduct a > wiretap. That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they are in one or in two of its hands... > The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no > new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false sense of privacy. > devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the > government will be offered access to the confidential details of > the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report > their findings. If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because some parts of its design were kept secret. > The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of > encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the > privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield > criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other > approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access > to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it > to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations. > -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to > employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; Except from the government. > -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export > high technology products. Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted. > Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important > role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act > quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding > its use. The Administration is committed to policies that > protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting > them from those who break the law. In short, the new technology can: 1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper. It cannot: 1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its ability to decrypt the conversations. 2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who handle them, etc. 3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for communication. > Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government > agencies to listen in on phone conversations? > A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with > no new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it claims. > Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? > A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent > entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the > Administration have yet to determine which agencies will > oversee the key-escrow data banks. Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia. > Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure > how strong the security is? > A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption > systems readily available today. That is, ""trust us"". > While the algorithm will > remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow ""Security through obscurity"". > system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of > cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all > potential users that there are no unrecognized > vulnerabilities. If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination and the ones built into your phones will be the same? > Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? > A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the The NSA and the FBI? > Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? > A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on > encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify > as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have > briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the > decisions related to this initiative. Why did they ""forget"" the Academia? > Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? > A: The government designed and developed the key access > encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the > microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product > manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip > manufacturer that produces them. Doesn't this smell to monopolism? > Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? > A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, > California, and will sell the chip to encryption device > manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed > to other vendors in the future. Like the Mafia? > Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological > solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be > willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more > powerful encryption devices? This is the main question, why was it buried at the end? > A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be > considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow ""We'll see"". > mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product > that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive > than others readily available today, but it is just one ""Trust us"". > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have In short, ""If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you"". > effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product? > A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption > technology in telecommunications and computing and are > committed to working with industry and public-interest > groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' > privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law > enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime > and terrorism. Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security, encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and is a step to outlaw strong crypto. > Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is > required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will leave the export controls on strong crypto devices? OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to you, Americans, to fight for your rights. Regards, Vesselin P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the new system is great. -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany " 9702,8,"From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) Subject: Re: Accident report News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 36 In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes... >In article ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes: >-- >-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up >-->to the truck. >-- >--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely. >--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all. >--And, sometimes the signals aren't working. Sometimes they get left on. > > The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear- >lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only >reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once - >some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING >to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though) > > However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got >caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once >I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but >it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too >closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split >second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I >know), > >Owen. What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear indicators. You'd see a single red light come on and think, ""Now, is he stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody _red_ rear indicators?"" This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_ rear indicator. Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 ""You Porsche. Me pass!"" DoD #484 " 9703,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Cobra Locks Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 55 In article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes: >I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing >a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock >(described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock >in the Chicago area? It is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back order it from the manufacturer directly. Each one is made to order, at least if you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe). >Any other feedback from someone who has used this? See below >In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes: >> >> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock. >> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve. >> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints >> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs). >> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder >> is well-protected. I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch >> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel. I have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she doesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore). It is made of 3/4"" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable. It is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately, professionals can open it rather easily: 1) Freeze a link. 2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well). 3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are frightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters. For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is anywhere from 1/2"" to 7/8"" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type locking mechanism. I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8"" model). All bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel. Even the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute. FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 9704,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack! Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Lines: 57 In article , speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: |> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a |> Yamaha |> 750 Twin (A.K.A. ""the vibrating tank"") when I heard a wierd noise off |> to my |> left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot |> and |> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the |> left |> side. When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it |> was not |> there! I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I |> had been |> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage! This hubcap |> weighed |> about 4-5 pounds! The impact had bent the left peg flat against the |> frame |> and tweeked the shifter in the process. Had I not heard the |> approaching |> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot. |> |> Anyone else had this sort of experience? |> Not with a hub cap but one of those ""Lumber yard delivery trucks"" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road and several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of spackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about 20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried spackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks to the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had a ""Path"" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up the corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over what ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in front of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and nailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360. The messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way back to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and had just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in the box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the milk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing like the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the engine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people waiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are. -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 9705,18,"From: bram@byron.u.washington.edu (Bram Currie) Subject: MOW BODYCOUNT Article-I.D.: shelley.1qksooINNihu Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior Senator? The King of the motss/bi? Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers get brought out. -- bram ---------------------------------------------------------- Bram Currie bram@u.washington.edu " 9706,6,"From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui) Subject: Softwares, games (New or Used) for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 48 I have following softwares for sale: NEW ITEMS (never opened): 1. Lucid 3-D, three dimensional spreadsheet: with pull-down menus, on-line help, up to 8 pages of notes behind every cell for dynamic detail, 3-D capability, compatible with Lotus 1-2-3, etc. $15 including shipping (manual, 5.25"" disks) 2. Turbo Pascal Express with 250 ready-to-run assembly language routines that make Turbo Pascal faster, more powerful, and easier to use. 2 5.25"" disks and manual $15 (including shipping) 3. Dr. Halo III much more than an icon driven paint program - it's a complete page composition and presentation graphics package. Automatic aspect ratio correction for WYSIWYG printing. True color or grey scale output and partial screen prints. 3 5.25"" disks and manual $12 (including shipping) 4. Key Form Designer Plus software for making professional business forms. 3.5"" disks and manual $25 plus shipping Like-new items (package is opened but not registered): 1. JetFighter II Advanced tactical fighter F-23 as well as F-14, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22. 3.25"" disks and manuals $30 plus Shipping OBO 2. Nighthwak F-117A Stealth Fighter 2.0 The definitive simulation of America's radar-elusive jet. Sensational sound, nine world's ""hot spots"": Cuba, North Korea, the Kuwaiti T Theatre of operations, central Europe, the North Cape, Libya, the persian Gul f, Vietnam and the Middle East. Awesome missions to challenge you. 5.25"" disks and manual $35 plus shipping OBO 3. Grammatik IV - $20 plus shipping 4. Quattro Pro 1.0 - make an offer 5. GEM chart, graphics, word, publisher, ... V.3.0 - make an offer. All items above are for IBM/compatible systems. " 9707,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 24 In article <01APR93.17160985.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes: > Mark Anthony Young: >> PPS: Many Americans have a ""special legal status"" based on ""a mere >> accident of birth"". Only people born in the US can become president >> of the US. And since Parliament could theoretically replace the Queen >> with _anyone they want_ (even a ""ferigner"") US law is in one dimension >> more restictive than UK law as regards birth privileges. > This is not just theoretical. Note how ""ferigner"" William III was > imported from Holland to kick out local boy James II, [...] Which provided the basis for the denoument of the film which introduced Errol Flynn to the world. (Love interest was Olivia de Havilland, who went on to appear with Flynn in 7 more films.) [Exercise for non-old-movie buffs: what film was this?] [Exercise for old movie buffs: what were the 7 more films?] -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 9708,16,"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 35 >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. You're getting warmer. The 'little thing in the trigger' has to be depressed before the trigger can move. What this means is the damned thing won't go off until the trigger is pulled. This makes it just about (there HAVE been some problems, but we're assuming the gun is functioning correctly..) as safe as a revolver. The gun when working correctly is totally drop safe. Now, in police work this is a consideration. There is not a single documented case I'm aware of where a police officer was killed because he failed to operate the safety on his firearm. There are quite a few documented cases where criminals got hold of the cops gun and couldn't figure out how to get the safety off in time to use the gun, thus the proprietary nature of the safety (to the criminal at least) very likely prevented the office from getting shot. The purpose of a safety is to make the gun safe from unintentional fire. This does not mean it should be so complicated as to slow down intentional use! Thus the Glock safety is perfectly adequate from a 'safety' standpoint, but not necessarily the most desirable from the standpoint of open carry where it is easily grabbed by somebody else. By this criteria it DOES make a lot of sense as a concealed carry piece. From the standpoint of police use, it is no better (or worse) than a revolver as far as being 'proprietary' to the officer in the method of firing it. The ideal solution may someday be biometric sensing of the user so that the firearm can't be used by anybody but it's owner, but for now the wide variety of safety systems helps, unless the criminal happens to be familiar with that particular type of firearm. Rick. " 9709,18,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...) Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 22 In article <1qpakjINNiq2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil liam December Starr) writes: > >In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, >rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said: > >> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to >> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never >> heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal >> meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" >> cigarettes, pot and heroin. > >Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea >that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply >decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why >the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be ""bought like cigarettes"" >is ""just plain silly."" After all, it works just fine for nicotine... > Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it. Ryan " 9710,4,"From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? Organization: dis Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu In article tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: >Ijust got a new Datadesk 101E keyboard to go with my new Centris 610 and have a >problem doing desktop rebuilds. I hold down the Command and Option keys and >restart but nothing happens. The DIP switches are set the right way and the >Command and Option keys seem to work on anything else. I'm running 7.1 btw. >Anyone know what the problem is? >-Terry Terry, hi. I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I can't remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard. The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell me if it works. I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them the keyboard (they do not refund the money) and their costumer service lines are toll calls. Tell me if you have a similar experience. -David mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu " 9711,5,From: mikes@ase.co.UK (Mike Schofield-00000315) Subject: xterm with status line and color Organization: The Internet Lines: 6 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I'm looking for a version of xterm which handles color and vt220 style status lines. Can anyone out there help? Thanks 9712,8,"From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) Subject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article Article-I.D.: prcrs.5914 Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA Lines: 31 , jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes: > > Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member > of the non-motorcycling public and they'll buy right into it. > > Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless > riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles. > It's just a matter of degree. That's absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor of seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles. Any argument for lifeguards is an argument against swimming. It says that any agrgument in favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to which the precautions apply. Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous, there wouldn't be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is a non-seqitur. Also, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail, jetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike, skate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire the basement, operate heavy machinery, and do a host of other 'dangerous' things that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban. Your little homily applies to all those things, and the general public buying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity would be next is unlikely. -- | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | ""Donuts! Is there anything they | | DoD# 541 Diviner of Dreams | can't do? "" Homer | | HIFI# 2 | | " 9713,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Watt misquoted Lines: 30 heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do > have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a > pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the > interior who saw no problem with deforestation since we were > ""living in the last days"" and ours would be the last generation > to see the redwoods anyway? For the Record: On February 5, 1981, at a House of Representatives Interior Committee Meeting, Rep. James Weaver (D, Ore), asked Watt whether ""you agree that we should save some of our scenic resources for our children, not just gobble them up all at once?"" Watt's answer was: < Absolutely. That is the delicate balance the Secretary of the < Interior must have -- to be steward for the natural resources < for this generation as well as future generations. I do not < know how many future generations we can count on before the < Lord returns. Whatever it is, we have to manage with a skill < to have the resources needed for future generations. My source is a column by Rowland Evans and Robert Novak on the op-ed page of the WASHINGTON POST for Friday 21 August 1981. Yours, James Kiefer " 9714,7,From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller? Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com I guess that makes Altima the most generic car in the US. 9715,6,"From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) Subject: LOOKING Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) Distribution: world Organization: Outland BBS Lines: 12 Looking for a VIDEO in and OUT Video card for the IBM. One that will allow you to watch TV (coax) or video IN, and will do Video out, digitize pictures. and if I am in Windows, and would like to be able to look the RCA out for the card to my TV and have it display on there, as well as DOS apps. I heard of these SNES and Genesis copiers, that will copy any games, are those for real? ---- Message was posted at outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca #403-478-4010 HST and v.32bis Try it, you'll like it! " 9716,13,"From: med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN) Subject: Re: Lasers for dermatologists Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 12 It is not true that dermatologists gave not reached the laser age, in fact, lasers in dermatological surgery is a very new and exciting field. It probably won't be effective in tinea pedis because the laser is usually a superficial burn (to avoid any deeper damage). Limited tinea pedis can be cured albeit sometimes slowly by topical antifungals as well as systemic medication i.e. tablets. Finally, a self-diagnosis is not always reliable, lichen simplex chronicus can look like a fungal infection and requires very different treatment. gervais " 9717,4,"From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Subject: CYCLONE AND TEMPEST????? Article-I.D.: usenet.1pskav$qtu Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Could someone please post any info on these systems. Thanks. BoB -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Novitskey | ""Pursuing women is similar to banging one's head rrn@po.cwru.edu | against a wall...with less opportunity for reward"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9718,18,"From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 11 In regard to Woody's post, I thought I would remind him of something in the midst of his tirade against academia: As a member of the generation likely to pay for the crap Reagan and his cronies started with the deficit according to the brilliant Laffer curve (NOT!) I think we need to look with open minds upon any ideas which will allow us to directly address the problems of the gigantic federal deficit and debt and continue to allow our economy to expand--and I don't remember Woody and co. complaining about academia while Laffer implemented his policy, Stockman approved it while being fully aware the numbers not adding up, and Reagan completing the largest con job of the century which my generation and I will now have to pay for. Jesse " 9719,7,"From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold) Subject: RFD: rec.autos.saab Article-I.D.: rodan.1psb8qINNbb2 Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup concerning Saab cars. It will allow participaants to exchange information on purchasing, maintaining, repairing, and outfitting Saabs. Group Name: rec.autos.saab Status: Unmoderated Rationale: There may be enough people with Saab cars or interested in buying a Saab or interested in knowing more about Saabs for any reason to justify such a new newsgroup. The recent growth of the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a question and receiving answers from the community. Discussion: Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the USENET Newsgroup ""news.groups"". If the reader is not able to do so, comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address below. Voting: If no problems arise, voting will start 1 month from the posting date of this RFD. Proposer: Tommy Reingold tommy@boole.att.com -- Tommy Reingold AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy " 9720,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: More technical details Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 116 Here are some corrections and additions to Hellman's note, courtesy of Dorothy Denning. Again, this is reposted with permission. Two requests -- first, note the roles of S1 and S2. It appears to me and others that anyone who knows those values can construct the unit key. And the nature of the generation process for K1 and K2 is such that neither can be produced alone. Thus, the scheme cannot be implemented such that one repository generates the first half-key, and another generates the second. *That* is ominous. Second -- these postings are not revealed scripture, nor are they carefully-crafted spook postings. Don't attempt to draw out hidden meanings (as opposed to, say, the official announcements of Clipper). Leave Denning out of this; given Hellman's record of opposition to DES, which goes back before some folks on this newsgroup knew how to read, I don't think you can impugn his integrity. Oh yeah -- the folks who invented Clipper aren't stupid. If you think something doesn't make sense, it's almost certainly because you don't understand their goals. --Steve Bellovin ----- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 07:56:39 EDT From: denning@cs.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip To: (a long list of folks) I was also briefed by the NSA and FBI, so let me add a few comments to Marty's message: The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in The algorithm operates on 64-bit blocks (like DES) and the chip supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm uses 32 rounds of scrambling compared with 16 in DES. In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be K is the session key shared by the sender and receiver. Any method (e.g., public key) can be used to establish the session key. In the AT&T telephone security devices, which will have the new chip, the key is negotiated using a public-key protocol. encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK producing E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the ""family key"") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by law enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I will also check it out, but this is 7am Sunday so I did not want to wait. The unit key will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow The unit key, also called the ""chip key,"" is generated from the serial number N as follows. Let N1, N2, and N3 be 64 bit blocks derived from N, and let S1 and S2 be two 80-bit seeds used as keys. Compute the 64-bit block R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] (Note that this is like using the DES in triple encryption mode with two keys.) Similarly compute blocks R2 and R3 starting with N2 and N3. (I'm unlear about whether the keys S1 and S2 change. The fact that they're called seeds suggests they might.) Then R1, R2, and R3 are concatenated together giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits form K1 and the next 80 bits form K2. The remaining bits are discarded. authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. Marty is right on this and the FBI has asked me for suggestions. Please pass them to me along with your reasons. In addition to Marty's criteria, I would add that the agencies must have an established record of being able to safeguard highly sensitive information. Some suggestions I've received so far include SRI, Rand, Mitre, the national labs (Sandia, LANL, Los Alamos), Treasury, GAO. When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links over which a message will flow.] My understanding is that there will be only one decode box and that it will be operated by the FBI. The service provider will isolate the communications stream and pass it to the FBI where it will pass through the decode box, which will have been keyed with K. for ""the wiretap authorizations."" When Levy asked for the details so he could review the cases as required by law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: No single person or authority should have the power to authorize wiretaps No single person does, at least for FBI taps. After completing a mound of paperwork, an agent must get the approval of several people on a chain that includes FBI legal counsel before the request is even taken to the Attorney General for final approval. Dorothy Denning " 9721,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: VP Gore Joins Students in Orlando for 1st Kids Earth Summit Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 102 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT _________________________________________________________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Heidi Kukis THURSDAY, April 15, 1993 202-456-7035 Julia Payne 202-456-7036 GORE JOINS STUDENTS IN ORLANDO FOR FIRST KIDS EARTH SUMMIT Will Take Part in Special Town Meeting On the Environment ******** SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 1993 - ORLANDO, FLORIDA ********** WASINGTON -- Joining students from across the United States and around the world for the first ever Kids Earth Summit, Vice President Al Gore will travel to Orlando, Florida, on Saturday (4/17) and participate in a special town hall meeting, hosted by Linda Ellerbee for broadcast on Nickelodeon, to hear the young people's concerns and share ideas about the environment. The Vice President will take part in the ""Kids World Council: Plan It for the Planet"" from 2-5 PM (EDT) Saturday (4/17) in Orlando, Florida. He will tour a display of student environmental projects, then videotape the town hall meeting where he will discuss with student delegates their concerns about the environment and their plans for an environmentally sound future. The town hall meeting will be moderated by Linda Ellerbee and taped for a news special, ""Nickelodeon Special Edition: Plan It for the Planet,"" which will air on Sunday, April 18 at 8 PM (EDT). It is sponsored by Nickelodeon and the Children's Earth Fund. ""Young people care about the environment because they know it affects our future. Across the country and around the world, young people are speaking out about the environmental challenges we face. They are identifying problems, thinking about solutions, and they are demanding action from their leaders,"" the Vice President said. The Kids World Council delegates are meeting for three days in Orlando to discuss how to save energy and switch to renewable energy. They will be following the format and goals of the Earth Summit that took place last year in Rio de Janeiro. The Vice President led the Senate Delegation to the Earth Summit. ""I look forward to hearing what young people have to say about the environment and their future. Their insight into the world around us is important,"" the Vice President said. (MORE) SCHEDULE FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT Saturday, April 17, 1993 2:15 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT TOURS display of student environmental projects. Nickelodeon Studios Orlando, Florida 3:30 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT TAKES PART IN TOWN HALL MEETING with Kids World Council delegates and Linda Ellerbee. Nickelodeon Studios Orlando, Florida 5 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT DEPARTS from Kids World Council for Washington, D.C. NOTE: PRESS THAT WISH TO ATTEND SHOULD CONTACT EILEEN PARISE OR MARTY VON RUDEN IN FLORIDA AT 407-352-7589. ## " 9722,3,"From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim) Subject: Re: 20"" or 21"" grayscale displays Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu > A quick look through the Computer Shopper gave the following companies >that sell 20""+ monochrome monitors for less than $2000 (PC or PS/2 compatible): > Cornerstone Technology, Digital Technology, Hardware That Fits, > IBM, Ikegami, Image Systems, Nanao, Radius, > Ran-Ger Technologies, Sampo, Samsung, Sigma Designs. Most of these are single-scan monitors, which are useless for most PC users. I posted requests for information in other newsgroups which were mostly fruitless, but I have managed to track down two multisync grayscal monitors in the 17-21"" range, one 20"" and one 21"". I am still looking into it, and I will post the results when I get more info. I am looking into a group purchase as well. -- |)aniel Thumim dthumim@mit.edu " 9723,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes: >:> God is eternal. [A = B] >:> Jesus is God. [C = A] >:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] > >:> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of >:> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore >:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. > >Everything isn't always so logical.... > >Mercedes is a car. >That girl is Mercedes. >Therefore, that girl is a car? This is not strickly correct. Only by incorrect application of the rules of language, does it seem to work. The Mercedes in the first premis, and the one in the second are NOT the same Mercedes. In your case, A = B C = D A and D are NOT equal. One is a name of a person, the other the name of a object. You can not simply extract a word without taking the context into account. Of course, your case doesn't imply that A = D. In his case, A does equal D. Try again... --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. " 9724,19,"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 16 Bill Gripp writes >>Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have >>with weapons. >FYI, these people were not ""followers of Christ"". David Koresh was >their messiah. ok, but didn't Jesus figure somewhere into their beliefs? Anyway, my original question regarding christians and weaponry still stands. -- Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho " 9725,16,"From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu I don't know what Traders is claiming, but it appears to me that the Oakland Tribune has censored gun ads in the past. Likewise for the San Francisco Chronicle, and I have never seen a gun ad in the San Francisco Examiner. Specifically, about a year ago on Thursdays, when Traders placed its ads, the Chron. ad would not have any graphics representing any handgun sale, though text could list it. The Trib. would run a graphic of a handgun. The Examiner would not have a Traders ad at all. Over the past year while Oakland politicians have made a lot of noise about measures to fight crime the Trib stopped taking the Traders ad, then started publishing it, but without any handgun graphic, then stopped, then started. Since the Trib. was sold some months ago it has not had the Traders ad. During one of these non-ad interludes a Traders employee told me that the Trib. had refused to take their ads. Yes, the usual Chron. Thursday ad was there today, with graphics representing rifles, safes, etc. as usual. Joan V " 9726,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 20 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, jluther@cs.umr.edu (John W. Luther) says: John: It not ""good netiquette"" to quote a complete article :-) NOTHING PERSONAL, Please! :-) >I also appreciate your being amused >by such determined ignorance. Without taking anything away >from your mirth, I want to say that these views sadden me. > This views sadden me too! Don't think that I don't care! Sorry if it seemed different. It IS serious stuff; but I have a 'sick' sense of humor though (some say... :-) Tolerance! Tony " 9727,17,"From: karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: scsu1.ctstateu.edu Organization: Southern Connecticut State University, New Haven Lines: 35 Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5 years ago in Instanbul. What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too. What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta, what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised? Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless. If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government? How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education? Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university, some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat. BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote ""On the mountains of Tayros."" ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am interested in finding more books from these two people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Yeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$% Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner < > whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole < > messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech < > and don't send me anything. < " 9728,4,"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: 512 kb VRAM SIMMs? Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 12 Hi there! Could some kind soul tell me what is the price of LC/IIvi/IIvx compatible 512kb VRAM SIMMs in the US nowadays? The price over here (Finland) is so ridiculously high (about $185 each in USD) that I think it is worth the trouble to try to get them overseas. Thanks -- Jartsu " 9729,6,"From: cliff@engin.umich.edu (clifford kaminsky) Subject: Monitor, add on card, Apple IIe computer Keywords: monitor I/O Apple computer Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 30 I need to sell the following items: an Apple IIe computer includes: 300 baud modem 80 columns Zenith green monitor tons of software and manuals controller & I/O card a Western Digital WDAT-440 includes: Winchester controller Floppy controller 2 serial ports parallel port No docs, but jumper settings are printed on the card. An AAMAZING 1024x768 .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor interlaced 14"" unlimited colors includes: Documentation power cord and connecting cable Must sell these items by May 4. Make me an offer on any of them. -Cliff Kaminsky cliff@engin.umich.edu " 9730,9,"From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) Subject: Re: Braves & Giants Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 14 In article <13536@news.duke.edu> fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes: > > Cox should've protested the game the second time the garbage got >thrown at his outfielders. He should also have protested the game at the >point where Ron Gant was assessed the second strike in the ninth, on the >grounds that he (Cox) was on the field and time should have been called. Both protests would be denied, of course. The umpire's judgement determines the garbage thing, although I think the game should be called (but that's my personal opinion...doesn't matter). There is time only when the ump says, so the second argument is baseless. --dave " 9731,8,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: Help with backpack Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Sanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote: : The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given : the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12"" high) and : was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest. : Any one have any experiences on such experimentation? Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest. If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear fender or turnsignals. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu * * ""Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous. They may cut you off * * entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go."" * * pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991 * ******************************************************************************* " 9732,10,From: cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) Subject: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!! Organization: Educational Computing Network Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in the second round with all the rest they will get and tor/det getting none. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division but that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the Hawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but its better to get that far and lose than to not go. brian 9733,7,"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 24 ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them. >Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above) Fax machines, yes. Cellular phones: Why not get a hands-free model? >Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. Seemingly unique to American luxury cars. The Big Three haven't yet realized that the 1970s are over. >Any gold trim. I agree. Just another display of Yuppie excess. >Jon Dunn< " 9734,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Promoting competition does not depend upon libertarians Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 60 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >[ These two paragraphs are from two different posts. In splicing them > together it is not my intention to change Steve's meaning or misrepresent > him in any way. I don't *think* I've done so. ] > >>As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >>is insuring that the ""limited government"" they seek does not become the >>tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >> >>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just >>as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >>the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how >>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >>condition. [Patrick's example of anti-competitive regulations for auto dealers deleted.] >Here's what I see libertarianism offering you: >... >This does not seem to me to be a utopian dream, but basic human decency >and common sense. A real grass-roots example of freedom and liberty. >And yes, not having a few people acting as our masters, approving or >rejecting each of our basic transactions with each other, does strike me >as a wonderful way to improve the human condition. > > Thanks awfully, > Patrick Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers, barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention. (As some/many libertarians would argue.) On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, to say the least. I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 9735,10,"From: gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: Educational Computing Network Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu >1st round: >---------- >PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. >WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. >BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. >QUE vs MON: MON in 7. I'd have to take Quebec in 6. >CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. Hawks will win, but it will take 5. >DET vs TOR: DET in 6. >VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. >CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. Cal in 7. >2nd round: >---------- >PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. >BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. Boston will beat Quebec in 6. >CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. >WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. >3rd round: >---------- >PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. Pitt in 6. The Bruins arent a pushover. >CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. The hawks havent had problems with them all year. Yep, I agree. >Finals: >------ >PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. Unless the Hawks can somehow change fate, you're right. Who knows, though. Maybe some intensive forechecking aka normal Hawks style will nullify a seemingly unbeatable team. Maybe the Pens are due for a let-down. Hell, how could they _possibly_ extend their record making play all the way through the playoffs.? >============================================= >Walter -- //Damien Endemyr the Unpure Knight of Doom // //""So I've acquired a taste for blood and have adopted a nocturnal // //lifestyle. That Doesnt mean I'm a vampire....."" // " 9736,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035020.16730 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes: >In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J >on Cochran) writes: >>> > I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt >>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot Comparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0 and a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to appeal to different buyers, i.e., I don't think an Acura owner would be seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa. [stuff deleted] >are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than No Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires. The GTZ does come with much bigger 16"" wheels. >along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that >Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine >Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track. The C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype supplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible. >Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1 16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras. >> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep >>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top >>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the >>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta). >***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see >for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000 The GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed box more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra equals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed. >rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!) > >>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4 >>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a The only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It was a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD. >Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, >then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect The only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k miles, a rare screw up by Honda. Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR. Craig " 9737,5,"From: mitch@unidata.ucar.edu (Mitch Baltuch) Subject: motif based graphing package Organization: University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR) Distribution: na Lines: 15 i am in need of a motif-based graphing package to integrate into a large software package under development for distribution to universities. it can be either public domain or commercial, although a commercial package can't have royalties required for binary only distribution. we need 2-d graphing capabilities at a minimum, but 3-d would be nice. any info would be appreciated and i will summarize if there is interest. thanks, mitch -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Mitchell S. Baltuch Unidata Program Center mitch@unidata.ucar.edu UCAR, PO Box 3000 303/497-8652 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 " 9738,17,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Dir Yassin In-Reply-To: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:48:15 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 34 From _Myths and Facts_, by Leonard J. Davis, Near East Research Inc., 1989: [pp. 108-109] ""Unlike the PLO's almost exclusive focus on civilian targets, the 100 troups from the Irgun and Stern group that struck at Deir Yassin on April 10, 1948, targeted the village for its military importance. Deir Yassin was on the road to Jerusalem, which the Arabs had blockaded, and it housed Iraqi troups and Palestinian irregulars. Snipers based in Deir Yassin were a constant threat to Jewish citizens in Jerusalem. ""Arab civilians were killed at Deir Yassin, but that attack does not conform to the propaganda picture that the Arabs have tried to paint. The number of Arabs killed was generally reported to be about 250. In 1983, however, Eric Silver of _The Guardian_ (Britain) interviewed a survivor, Mophammed Sammour, who testified that 116 out of a population of 800-1000 were killed. 'About three days after the massacre,' Sammour explained, 'representatives of each of the five clans in Deir Yassin met at the Moslem offices in Jerusalem and made a list of the people who had not been found (alive). We went through the names. Nothing has happend since 1948 to make me think this figure was wrong.' ""Unlike the PLO's deliberate attacks on civilians, the killing of civilians at Deir Yassin was not premeditated. The attackers left open an escape corridor from the village and more than 200 residents left unharmed. After the remaining Arabs feigned surrender and then fired on the Jewish troops, some of the attackers killed Arab soldiers and civilians indiscriminately. Independent observers told _The Guardian_ that among the bodies they found Arab men disguised as women."" " 9739,11,"From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: hodge.mit.edu In-reply-to: pcw@access.digex.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 15:31:24 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes: 2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to town. Depends.. Its possible that the phone sends its serial number in the clear at some specified interval... So all a listener needs to do is get that SN, and then get the key for it... So swapping phones isn't a problem (for the gov't, that is). They still know that this line belongs to you, so they just watch the line and see the SN, and then they get the key for that SN... In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 Well, I think this is understood. The major problem is that a lot of people just don't trust this key escrow stuff, and the fact that the algorithms are classified... So, yes, a lot of this needs to be looked at closer! - -derek PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBuAgUBK9EbXDh0K1zBsGrxAQHzcALCAlvWtnvi7aySWf565id1MN++nsybTwQI jQLgPKX/4tx6qjGC69BUQRZAtMQutkoVnvx/MqT5EZFM7uundRWD4cOwbb7CC4Gy gT7JtLRqU0aF9VSf4SGNQqg= =fGRj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH " 9740,5,"From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Reply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 45 In article <1r5l8g$bub@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl>, rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl (Richard Verhoeven) writes: |> bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: |> > |> > try this after XCreateWindow: |> > ----------------------------- |> > ... |> > |> > xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */ |> > ... |> > XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints); |> > ... |> > |> > These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window |> > are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these |> > values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window |> > manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user. |> > I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer |> > if you specify the position and size like above. |> |> Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position |> and the window at a position below it. The reason they place their outside corner at the location you requested is because that's what the ICCCM says they should do. |> This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current |> configuration and restore is later. |> |> Currently, my solution is: |> |> XCreateWindow(...); |> XSetWMProperties(..); |> XMapWindow(...); |> XFlush(...); |> XMoveWindow(...); This code will almost certainly break. Calling XMapWindow and then XFlush does not guarantee that the window is visible and managed by the window manager. Even if this did work, there isn't a reliable way to find out how much decoration the window manager placed around your window, so you don't know how far to move it. And what if the window manager refuses to move your window? -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM " 9741,4,"From: ua020@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Toby Sinats) Subject: Accelerator for Classic II? Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.victoria.bc.ca Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada Lines: 4 Does one exist, who makes it, and how much? Thanks:) -- " 9742,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 35 In article <1rd1g0$ckb@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >How will said re-boost be done? >Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude, >unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays, >then return to earth? Actually, the reboost will probably be done last, so that there is a fuel reserve during the EVAs (in case they have to chase down an adrift astronaut or something like that). But yes, you've got the idea -- the reboost is done by taking the whole shuttle up. >My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost? >why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled >thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost... Somebody has to build that thruster module; it's not an off-the-shelf item. Nor is it a trivial piece of hardware, since it has to include attitude control (HST's own is not strong enough to compensate for things like thruster imbalance), guidance (there is no provision to feed gyro data from HST's own gyros to an external device), and separation (you don't want it left attached afterward, if only to avoid possible contamination after the telescope lid is opened again). You also get to worry about whether the lid is going to open after the reboost is done and HST is inaccessible to the shuttle (the lid stays closed for the duration of all of this to prevent mirror contamination from thrusters and the like). The original plan was to use the Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle to do the reboost. The OMV was planned to be a sort of small space tug, well suited to precisely this sort of job. Unfortunately, it was costing a lot to develop and the list of definitely-known applications was relatively short, so it got cancelled. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 9743,1,"From: tp892275@vine.canberra.edu.au (C. Mierzanowski) Subject: Which Video Card? (Please HELP) Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA Lines: 13 I've got a 386 20Hz computer which is under warranty and my Trident 8900C video card is starting to play-up (surprise, surprise). Therefore I'm going to try to exchange it for a better card. The BIG Question is: Which video card is high quality and with an acceptable price tag (on student budget) ??? Thank you in advance. " 9744,18,"From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver) Subject: Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated Lines: 27 In-reply-to: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 23:18:58 GMT In article <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: In article <1993Apr3.223215.20655@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: > Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the >Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping >withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now. > There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers >finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear there reasons >for disbelief at this point. Probably because you have yet to respond to the refutation I've posted. Teel, it's bad enough you post this bs, it's even worse that you don't even try to defend it when it gets torn to pieces, but then posting that no one's looked at it and gloating when all facts point to the contrary point to a severely deluded mind. What I found interesting about Conklin's letter is the 6 cases he has won against the IRS. Now, assuming that these cases really exist and were one by him (anyone checked?) they may have nothing to do with his major tax claim. The IRS fought one of his deductions. Defending your deductions seems puny when you believe that there is no need to file in the first place! -- Bernard Silver GTE Laboratories bsilver@gte.com (617) 466-2663 " 9745,7,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Carb Cleaners - Do they work??? (Performance?) Carb rebuild? Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr15.062557.1224@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >In article schaffer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Doug Schaffer) writes: >> >>How hard is a carb rebuild for moderately experienced backyard mechanic? >>I've done my clutch and miscellaneous little engine fixes. > >The hardest part is usually getting the darned thing off the intake >manifold. Rebuilding a carb is fun, if you're into things with >lots of little parts. I used to rebuild them for all my friends' >cars in high school, so it doesn't take a PhD. Buy a carb rebuilding >kit from an auto supply store. Buy a gallon of the best carb cleaning >solvent you can find (do they still make Tyme?) -- as a rule of thumb, >buy the one with the scariest warning labels. Put it into a metal(!) >bucket. Make yourself a dipping can by punching holes in the bottom of >a coffee can and attaching a wire handle to it. If the carb cleaner >doesn't strip the paint right off the coffee can, you're not >using the right stuff. Use the can to soak the little stuff, and >just hang the big parts from a coat hanger. Wash them off with a >garden hose, wipe off excess water with paper towels, and air dry. >Then remember where all the little parts go. Follow the rebuild >kit's instructions concerning float height, choke tension, etc. >Bolt it back on the engine and admire the super-clean carb on the >filthy engine. Heed this man's warnings! If you get carb cleaner this strong on your hands, your hands will be eaten away. Not pretty. Hence the ""dipping can"" method. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 9746,0,"From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David ""Go-Go"" Kitaguchi) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Nntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu Reply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu Organization: Welch Medical Library Lines: 21 In article 65934@mimsy.umd.edu, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: :PNanci Ann Miller writes: :P :P>My favorite reply to the ""you are being too literal-minded"" complaint is :P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT :P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and :P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right, :P>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something :P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was :P>originally inspired by God? :P :PThe ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the :Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text :Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This :Pshouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner :Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies. Well corrupted the first time is good enough. Seeing that the bible was constructed 400 years after Jesus's death, in the text of merchants (ie-owe this and owe that) I wonder how anyone can take the literal word seriously. Obviously it was not intended for such nonsense, otherwise the authors of the bible would not need to plagerize (sp) off of the Asians for most of the contents that can be interperated to make sense. " 9747,2,"From: (Joseph D. Barrus) Subject: Utility to expand DOS file descriptions in directory listing? Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA Lines: 16 I am looking for a Windows Utility that would give me a listing of files in a directory, but also display a description of the file. This utility would allow me to enter and edit file descriptions of, hopefully, any length (maybe a small window with a scroll bar?). I would then be able to browse my directories and be able to see what is in a file without having to open or execute it. Any such beast out there? If not, anyone want to write one? Joe Barrus barrus@nosc.mil " 9748,1,"From: jxl9011@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.X. Lee) Subject: JOB Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: SERI Lines: 45 JOB OPPORTUNITY --------------- SERI(Systems Engineering Research Institute), of KIST(Korea Institute of Science and Technology) is looking for the resumes for the following position and need them by the end of June (6/30). If you are interested, send resumes to: CAD/CAE lab (6th floor) Systems Engineering Research Institute Korea Institute of Science and Technology Yousung-Gu, Eoeun-Dong, Daejon. Korea 305-600 COMPANY: Systems Engineering Research Institute TITLE : Senior Research Scientist JOB DESCRIPTION : In depth knowledge of C. Working knowledge of Computer Aided Design. Working knowledge of Computer Graphics. Working knowledge of Virtual Reality. Skills not required but desirable : knowledge of data modeling, virtual reality experience, understanding of client/server architecture. REQUIREMENT : Ph.D JOB LOCATION : Daejon, Korea Contact Info : Chul-Ho, Lim CAD/CAE lab (6th floor) Systems Engineering Research Institute Korea Institute of Science and Technology Yousung-Gu, Eoeun-Dong, Daejon. Korea 305-600 Phone) 82-42-869-1681 Fax) 82-42-861-1999 E-mail) jxl9011@129.21.200.201 " 9749,19,"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Distribution: world Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA Lines: 22 netd@susie.sbc.com () writes: > In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen > >For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, > >or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, > > I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his > sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. > And I think we ought to hold Christ accoountable for all of his followers who died at the hand of the Romans also. It was their own fault for believing. God, this society reminds me more of the Roman Empire every day; I guess I'll just log off and go watch American Gladiators. --------------------------------------------------------------------- cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy to the person who doesn't have to do them. Holt's law " 9750,8,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Moving On Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 25 Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and It will be a while before I have net access again (taking time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer on joint operations, and anything else that looks good). I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back. I guess ""internet withdrawl"" starts around 1pm or so and considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am really going to miss it. OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the ""Military issue"" boots, good luck, I think you will be happy with the tankers boots. -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. " 9751,3,"From: dmoyer@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dan Moyer) Subject: Re: Changing Motherboards - Messing With Connectors Nntp-Posting-Host: ccscola Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC Lines: 40 In article <93105.073119IP06015@portland.caps.maine.edu> Jozef Slaby writes: >When I changed my motherboard I had a lot of trouble getting >LED,SPKR,TURBO,TURBOSWITCH,HDD,KLCK,RST, connectors correctly >reconnected. For example Turbo Switch had three wires and >the motherboard connection only two pins... and so on. > >Does anyone know a solution to this. Do I need to rewire the >connectors or what is the best way to approach this. >It is somewhat frustrating. I got it to work somehow but my Turbo >switch doesn't work at all. > I just put replaced the motherboard in a system and had similar questions. My 2 cents worth: The speaker connector should have two wires going to the speaker. A speaker being a coil, it's bidirectional and makes no difference which way you attach. Turbo switch. There are three wires to control how you want turbo to become active- with the switch pushed in or the switch out. I think the middle wire is common. Use an ohm meter to figure out which wire connects with the common wire when the switch is pushed in, and which two wires are connected when the switch is out. Place the appropriate two wires on the turbo berg connector of the motherboard. LED's: (Turbo and HD) LED's are uni directional. Depending which way the wires are attached the LED will not light. On my AMI motherboard, if the turbo switch wires are not attached to the berg connector on the board, the board will power up in default in Turbo mode. If your motherboard is like that... just attace the LED wires to the board. If the LED doesn't light, power off, reverse the connectors and try again. It should work. If it does, then attach the turbo switch to the board. Hope this helps. Dan Moyer Dan.Moyer@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM " 9752,2,"From: yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Maw Ying Yuan) Subject: Win3.1 Config.Sys query Organization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering Lines: 11 Hi there, With a 16Megs of RAM, is there a need to run/load Smartdrv for Windows 3.1? If yes, can I run/load Ramdrive without Smartdrv? If I need both Ramdrive & Smartdrv, is the following Config.Sys settings OK: ...SMARTDRV.SYS 2048 2048 ...RAMDRIVE.SYS 2048 /E Thanks in advance for e-mail reply. yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu " 9753,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: Bonilla Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Distribution: usa Lines: 11 Jiann-ming Su writes > Bobby Bonilla supposedly use the word 'faggot' when he got mad at that author > in the clubhouse. Should he be banned from baseball for a year like Schott? It wouldn't bother me... -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 9754,15,"From: darndt@nic.gac.edu (David Arndt) Subject: Johnny Hart's (B.C. comic strip) mailing address? Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College Lines: 17 Subject pretty much says it all - I'm looking for Johnny Hart's (creator of the B.C. comic stip) mailing address. For those of you who haven't seen them, take a look at his strips for Good Friday and Easter Sunday. Remarkable witness! If anyone can help me get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate it! I've contacted the paper that carries his strip and -- they'll get back to me with it! Thanks for your help, Dave Arndt St. Peter's Evangelical Lutheran Church St. Peter, MN 56082 darndt@nic.gac.edu " 9755,9,"From: jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 198 In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes : >I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest >players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball, >James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of >mouth, and my own (biased) opinions... > >Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried >to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded >for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average, >fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases >(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP. > >1B Career > 1) Lou Gehrig > 2) Jimmie Foxx > 3) Eddie Murray > 4) Hank Greenberg > 5) Johnny Mize > 6) Willie McCovey > 7) Dick Allen > 8) Harmon Killebrew > 9) Kieth Hernandez It's i before e except after c, and in people named kEIth. >10) Bill Terry >11) George Sisler > >2B > 1) Eddie Collins > 2) Joe Morgan > 3) Jackie Robinson > 4) Rogers Hornsby > 5) Nap Lajoie > 6) Rhyne Sandberg Learn to spell. It's Ryne. > 7) Charlie Gehringer > 8) Rod Carew > 9) Bobby Grich >10) Bobby Doerr > >SS > 1) Honus Wagner > 2) Cal Ripken Jr > 3) John Lloyd > 4) Ozzie Smith > 5) Robin Yount > 6) Joe Cronin > 7) Arky Vaughan > 8) Luke Appling > 9) Ernie Banks >10) Lou Boudreau > >3B > 1) Mike Schmidt > 2) Ed Matthews > 3) George Brett > 4) Wade Boggs > 5) Ron Santo > 6) Brooks Robinson > 7) Frank Baker > 8) Darrell Evans > 9) Pie Traynor >10) Ray Dandridge > How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo. >C > 1) Josh Gibson *********************** 1a) Darren Daulton * MVP 1993 *********************** > 2) Yogi Berra > 3) Johnny Bench > 4) Mickey Cochrane > 5) Bill Dickey > 6) Gabby Hartnett > 7) Roy Campanella > 8) Gary Carter > 9) Carlton Fisk >10) Thurman Munson > >LF > 1) Ted Williams > 2) Stan Musial > 3) Rickey Henderson > 4) Carl Yastrzemski > 5) Barry Bonds > 6) Tim Raines > 7) Joe Jackson > 8) Ralph Kiner > 9) Willie Stargell >10) Al Simmons > >CF > 1) Willie Mays > 2) Ty Cobb > 3) Tris Speaker > 4) Mickey Mantle > 5) Joe DiMaggio > 6) Oscar Charleston > 7) Andre Dawson > 8) Duke Snider > 9) Kirby Puckett >10) Dale Murphy > >RF > 1) Babe Ruth > 2) Hank Aaron > 3) Frank Robinson > 4) Mel Ott > 5) Al Kaline > 6) Reggie Jackson > 7) Dave Winfield > 8) Roberto Clemente > 9) Tony Gwynn >10) Pete Rose > >P > 1) Walter Johnson > 2) Lefty Grove > 3) Cy Young > 4) Christy Mathewson > 5) Pete Alexander > 6) Tom Seaver > 7) Roger Clemens > 8) Bob Gibson > 9) Warren Spahn >10) Satchel Paige >11) Juan Marichal >12) Whitey Ford >13) Bob Feller >14) Jim Palmer >15) Steve Carlton > >Overall (estimated): > 1) Ruth > 2) Williams > 3) Mays > 4) Cobb > 5) Aaron > 6) Wagner > 7) Speaker > 8) Schmidt > 9) W.Johnson >10) Mantle >11) Musial >12) DiMaggio >13) F.Robinson >14) Grove >15) Henderson >16) J.Gibson >17) C.Young >18) Collins >19) Foxx >20) Mathewson >21) Alexander >22) Morgan >23) J.Robinson >24) Hornsby >25) Ott >26) Seaver >27) Clemens >28) Matthews >29) Lajoie >30) Yastrzemski >31) Kaline >32) Brett >33) Gibson >34) Spahn >35) Charleston >36) Berra >37) Ripken Jr. >38) Lloyd >39) Raines >40) Sandberg >41) Gehringer >42) O.Smith >43) Yount >44) Ba.Bonds >45) Paige >46) R.Jackson >47) Marichal >48) Ford >49) Feller >50) Boggs > > >Again, feel free to comment... > >Mike, BSU > -- " 9756,9,"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Distribution: na Lines: 22 Darryl Strawberry's moon shots were fun! He can hit those high and far home runs that if he actually ran them out he'd be rounding second base by the time they landed. We used to say that he should have to file a flight plan at LaGuardia for some of them. Then _Bull_Durham_ came out and that was changed. :-) On homers he pulled that didn't go high, they were microwave home runs. Microwave, as in they got outta there in a hurry! In a game in 1988, he came off the bench with the flu and on the second pitch send a rocket down the right field line that didn't even allow Bob Murphy the ""luxury"" of a home run call. The story went he stayed in the clubhouse, the with the Mets down by two and two on Davey Johnson sent for him to pinch hit. He came out of the clubhouse saying ""one swing and we go home."" He hit the homer, ran the bases, then went straight for the clubhouse to shower and go home. 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erth , Western Australia v " 9759,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.214032.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: >> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning >> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much >> bigger role than in the 4-1 game. >But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to >one run. Not if you've scored four runs, you don't! Why strain even the best pitching staff? Why not make it easier for them? In the 2-1 game, the best pitching staff in the world can't compensate for a blown call, a bad hop, a gust of wind. Winning close is the wrong way to win; both keeping opposing runs down AND scoring a lot yourself are insurance against the ""Shit happens"" aspect of baseball. Not every great teamhas even *good* pitching. The Big Red Machine of the 70's was league-average in pitching. But somehow, Rose-Morgan-Bench- Perez-etc. managed to win 100 games more than once, peaking at 108. Roger " 9760,2,"From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Organization: National Library of Medicine Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: > >Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >if anyone else had seen this. > As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here usually are far more in the know. --Don Lindbergh dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov " 9761,4,"From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4 meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might want to know..... Jason. " 9762,19,"From: system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) Subject: Bhagavad-Gita 2.44 Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA Lines: 42 TEXT 44 bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam tayapahrta-cetasam vyavasayatmika buddhih samadhau na vidhiyate bhoga--to material enjoyment; aisvarya--and opulence; prasaktanam--for those who are attached; taya--by such things; apahrta-cetasam--bewildered in mind; vyavasaya-atmika--fixed in determination; buddhih--devotional service to the Lord; samadhau--in the controlled mind; na--never; vidhiyate--does take place. TRANSLATION In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination for devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take place. PURPORT Samadhi means ``fixed mind.'' The Vedic dictionary, the Nirukti, says, samyag adhiyate 'sminn atma-tattva-yathatmyam: ``When the mind is fixed for understanding the self, it is said to be in samadhi.'' Samadhi is never possible for persons interested in material sense enjoyment, nor for those who are bewildered by such temporary things. They are more or less condemned by the process of material energy. Bhagavad-Gita As It Is Books of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami --------------------------------------------------------- | Don't forget to chant: | | | | Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare | | Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare | | | | Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA | | (system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us) | --------------------------------------------------------- " 9763,4,"From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Nntp-Posting-Host: engels.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article , mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) wrote: > > In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, > hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote: > >With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and > >so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me: > > > >1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns > >VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.) > > > > 60ns 72 pin simms. > > >2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the > >C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing > >would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic > >board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?) > > > 2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board > leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a > 650. According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs. Pete " 9764,1,From: seth@north6.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Subject: morphing Reply-To: seth@north6.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: north6.acpub.duke.edu Keywords: I am looking for some morphing programs for DEC's or pc's. I looked for a program called dmorph using archie but could not find it. I found a progrmam call morpho but it only did grayscale images. Does anyone know where I should look? 9765,11,"From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: What is going on?... Lines: 27 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Distribution: inet In article , gthomas@fraser.sfu.ca (Guy Thomas) writes: > zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: > >>In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: >>... >>> If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". >>> > >>In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked >>about a month ao and was told RSN. > > Yes it is. From the National Film Board of Canada. Ah, not in the USA. Thats a relief, thought 'reality' must be slipping for a second. :-) St Noam was on the radio tonight, he has just published a new book ""501 years"". Published by South End i guess. Could some bostonian confirm please? I would love to hear what he thinks of the Clipper scam. ~Paul PS The first posting I saw I thought was a joke in *VERY* bad taste. My appologies to the person who broke the news. " 9766,11,"From: masjhd@gdr.bath.ac.uk (James Davenport) Subject: Re: Trinomial-Based PRNG Organization: School of Mathematical Sciences, University of Bath, UK Lines: 27 I tried to mail Peter Boucher, who posted the question, but my e-mail bounced, so, apologies to thsoe who are not interested. >trinomials are all of the form X**a + X**b + 1, where a Have you read: Bremner,A., On Trinomials of Type x$+n$-+Ax$+m$-+1. Math. Scand. 49(1981) pp. 145-155. Zbl. 458.12012. MR 83k:12002. Ljunggren,W., On the Irreducibility of Certain Trinomials and Quadrinomials. Math. Scand. 8(1960) pp. 65-70. . Tverberg,H., On the Irreducibility of the Trinomials x$+n$-$mpm$$x$+m$-$mpm$$1. Math. Scand. 8(1960) pp. 121-126. Tverberg,H., On Cubic Factors of Certain Trinomials. Math. Scand. 53(1983) pp. 178-184. Zbl. 513.12003. James Davenport jhd@maths.bath.ac.uk " 9767,5,"From: henne@math.ias.EDU (Leslie R. Henne) Subject: Re: SVR4.x binary dists (was Re: RFD: to create comp.unix.sys5.univel) Organization: The Internet Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Cc: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu In article <1993Apr15.160635.28022@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, der Mouse wrote: > You seem to be a little confused. The socialistic hackers who yell > about proprietary software are hardly enamored of Motif, which is just > as objectionable to that mindset as NeWS is. > If I might wear my socialistic hacker hat for a moment, I tar NeWS and > Motif with the same brush, and that brush is not technical. Begging everyone's pardon, I was not slamming Motif, nor was I necessarily plugging/flaming the two. I was responding to the sweet blithe statement in: from rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) rick> This is one area where Microsoft NT has a big advantage. Since rick> they control the whole show, there are no issues like this where rick> licensees create incompatible defacto standards. This happy statement shows a mindset that inventors and companies have when they are pleased with something that works, and they believe that others will also be happy to use it. I remember when _SunView_ was hot stuff (and am not, by that statement, endorsing Sun and its products, this is just my experience), and when OpenWindows became hot stuff, that was when I started hearing, as mentioned before, the ""socialistic masses"" that were bent on destroying _anything_ that was deemed proprietary, including OpenWindows. I mentioned Motif in the same breath, because that is what Sun has decided to turn its attention to, not because I hate it. Mr. Richardson's position, I believe, is a healthy one, and I am sure that the seething hackers will soon try to flame and destroy NT, if it ever shows up, wanting instead everything to be free, and then complaining when there is no organized structure and there are no de facto standards. It was just a vent for frustration brought on by prevailing winds. Mrs. Henne " 9768,19,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Albert Sabin Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: (Deletion) > > Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring > to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if > you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and > well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, > who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts > are very much in harmony. > Since this drivel is also crossposted to alt.atheism, how about reading the alt.atheism FAQ? The Josephus quote is concidered to be a fake even by Christian historians, and the four gospels contradict each other in important points. Weren't you going to offer a scientific theory of Creationism? Benedikt " 9769,3,"From: ykhan@gandalf.ca (Yousuf Khan) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd. Lines: 36 In <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.171250.486@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. >You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super >dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local >With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Yeah, there is absolutely no use for VLB except for video graphics. And no IDE could possibly take advantage the VLB, because it runs at 8 Mhz and 16 bits. Do people forget that the IDE was specifically designed to interface directly with the AT ISA bus? We've seen IDEs come out for EISA, XT ISA, and now even MCA, but at all times it was a 16 bit standard, running at somewhere near 8-10 Mhz. When you run an IDE off of the VLB, there's no way that you're running it at 33 Mhz, it would burn up. Of course same goes for SCSI, ESDI, whatever, none of them run at CPU speed. The only way to gain advantage with a VLB IDE is to hook it up to a caching controller. I suspect it would be much, much better to get a software disk cache instead, since you get write-caching as well. >because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. I've seen some Fuji IDE drives going as high as 1G. Yousuf Khan " 9770,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 17 In article <1qknu0INNbhv@shelley.u.washington.edu>, > Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. > Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. > > If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, > do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been > reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not > on the Endangered Species List. This will be a hard task, because most cultures used most animals for blood sacrifices. It has to be something related to our current post-modernism state. Hmm, what about used computers? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 9771,1,"From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu >> So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. >> The article didn't say anything about copyrights. I'm sure the whole newspaper is copyrighted. They could have gotten permission to use the image under their own copyright. mark " 9772,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian slaughter of more than 600,000 Kurdish people in 1915. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 21 Source: Hassan Arfa, ""The Kurds,"" (London, 1968), pp. 25-26. ""When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer. These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in the eastern vilayets of Turkey."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 9773,9,"From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) Subject: Re: Players Overpaid? Lines: 40 Organization: Pitzer College Ted Frank's list of underpaid players was this: > >p, Juan Guzman, 500 >p, Mussina, 400 >p, Castillo, 250 >p, Eldred, 175 >p, Rhodes, 155 >p, Militello, 118 >rp, Rojas, 300 >rp, Beck, 250 >rp, Melendez, 235 >rp, Hernandez, 185 >rp, Nied, 150 >c, Rodriguez, 275 >c, Piazza, 126 >1b, Thomas, 900 >1b, Bagwell, 655 >2b, Knoblauch, 500 >2b, Barberie, 190 >3b, Gomez, 312.5 >3b, Palmer, 250 >ss, Listach, 350 >ss, Pena, 170 >lf, Gonzalez, 525 >cf, Lankford, 290 >rf, R.Sanders, 275 >of, Plantier, 245 What do all of these players have in common? They do not qualify for arbitration. They were never free agents. It's called the reserve clause. Look it up. And a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way overpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb. Humbug. --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""No taxes: No new taxes, kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |no old taxes, we are taxed Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |enough."" -- Rep. Alan Keyes Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% | (please run, Alan!) " 9774,10,"From: cal2d@csissun11.ee.Virginia.EDU (Craig Allen Lorie) Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 15 According to the hockey gurus over at ESPN, should the Islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record, but the Devils will be playing the Penguins. This is because the Islanders have won the season series against the Devils. I think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include: 1. season series 2. goals against 3. goals for in this order (correct me if I'm wrong). Anyone have anything to add? Craig Go Islanders! " 9775,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 88 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. > >There is no question about it. > >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Not so. Surveys have shown while the public thinks certain types of gun control may be acceptable they do believe they have an individual right to keep and bear arms, and that the police should not have /discretion/ over who may and may not own firearms. >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. By the end of the Clinton administration a lot of things will be screwed up. Hell, we'll probably be just like England. > Tough titty. ""Tough titty"" ? My how eloquent you are. As for your claim, I think Clinton has a big fight ahead of him if he thinks he's going to pass some comprehensive gun legislation. He will sign the Brady Bill if it gets to his desk. We will do whatever we can to either keep that from happening, or modify it such that it is acceptable to us. >You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. Sorry, that's not possible. And that's why we won't give them up either. Legally or illegally, American's will keep their firearms. The number of unregistered weapons in New York City is in the millions. There aren't even close to that number of violent criminals there. >The number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. If the gov't was serious about stopping violent crime they would keep violent criminals in jail for a long long time where they belong instead of letting them out on early release. >There is nothing you can do about it. Hey, we can go into politics too if we feel like it. > Those who live by the sword shall die by it. I don't believe this one bit. >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Snore. Like I take advice on the RKBA from a Brit. No way. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. You watch too much ""Star Trek"". Actually, this is an understandable attitude from a Brit; you are a subject of the state. >They will overwhelm you - one at a time. Not necessarily. There are ways of resisting oppression without getting caught by the gov't. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. The ""abstract criminal"" like the ones who killed a relative of mine while she was working in a carry-out. >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. While undesirable, they are sometimes unavoidable. If you don't want to resist a criminal attack by all means do nothing. I will (a) take my chances resisting violent attack, and (b) stand a better chance of being unharmed than someone who does nothing. >Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... What a joke. Criminals want a disarmed population. How can you keep criminals from preying on us after our best means of self defense is taken away ? -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 9776,10,"From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Subject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships Reply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6 In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca>, white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes: > > Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an > impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden. In the game *I* have seen yesterday in the Olympiahalle of Munich Canada won 4-1 against Sweden! The last goal for Canada was at 19:59 in the 3rd period. Maybe you shouldn't go and get you another beer before the game is over and then post imaginary results... Holger -- S I E M E N S Holger Ohlwein AP153 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 8000 Muenchen 83 ------------- Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746 Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de N I X D O R F Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. " 9777,13,"From: bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Subject: Lupus Keywords: Information wanted Article-I.D.: cruzio.5254 Reply-To: bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Lines: 12 I have a friend who has just been diagnosed with Lupus, and I know nothing about this disease. The only thing I do know is that this is some sort of skin disease, and my friend shows no skin rashes - in fact, they used a blood test to determine what had been wrong with an on going sacro- illiac joint problem. I am finding a hard time finding information on this disease. Could anyone please enlighten me as to the particulars of this disease. please feel free to E-mail me at bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Thanks in advance. " 9778,14,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 10/15 - Planetary Probe History Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 527 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 19:59:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/probe Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:19 $ PLANETARY PROBES - HISTORICAL MISSIONS This section was lightly adapted from an original posting by Larry Klaes (klaes@verga.enet.dec.com), mostly minor formatting changes. Matthew Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu) contributed the section on Voyager, and the section on Sakigake was obtained from ISAS material posted by Yoshiro Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp). US PLANETARY MISSIONS MARINER (VENUS, MARS, & MERCURY FLYBYS AND ORBITERS) MARINER 1, the first U.S. attempt to send a spacecraft to Venus, failed minutes after launch in 1962. The guidance instructions from the ground stopped reaching the rocket due to a problem with its antenna, so the onboard computer took control. However, there turned out to be a bug in the guidance software, and the rocket promptly went off course, so the Range Safety Officer destroyed it. Although the bug is sometimes claimed to have been an incorrect FORTRAN DO statement, it was actually a transcription error in which the bar (indicating smoothing) was omitted from the expression ""R-dot-bar sub n"" (nth smoothed value of derivative of radius). This error led the software to treat normal minor variations of velocity as if they were serious, leading to incorrect compensation. MARINER 2 became the first successful probe to flyby Venus in December of 1962, and it returned information which confirmed that Venus is a very hot (800 degrees Fahrenheit, now revised to 900 degrees F.) world with a cloud-covered atmosphere composed primarily of carbon dioxide (sulfuric acid was later confirmed in 1978). MARINER 3, launched on November 5, 1964, was lost when its protective shroud failed to eject as the craft was placed into interplanetary space. Unable to collect the Sun's energy for power from its solar panels, the probe soon died when its batteries ran out and is now in solar orbit. It was intended for a Mars flyby with MARINER 4. MARINER 4, the sister probe to MARINER 3, did reach Mars in 1965 and took the first close-up images of the Martian surface (22 in all) as it flew by the planet. The probe found a cratered world with an atmosphere much thinner than previously thought. Many scientists concluded from this preliminary scan that Mars was a ""dead"" world in both the geological and biological sense. MARINER 5 was sent to Venus in 1967. It reconfirmed the data on that planet collected five years earlier by MARINER 2, plus the information that Venus' atmospheric pressure at its surface is at least 90 times that of Earth's, or the equivalent of being 3,300 feet under the surface of an ocean. MARINER 6 and 7 were sent to Mars in 1969 and expanded upon the work done by MARINER 4 four years earlier. However, they failed to take away the concept of Mars as a ""dead"" planet, first made from the basic measurements of MARINER 4. MARINER 8 ended up in the Atlantic Ocean in 1971 when the rocket launcher autopilot failed. MARINER 9, the sister probe to MARINER 8, became the first craft to orbit Mars in 1971. It returned information on the Red Planet that no other probe had done before, revealing huge volcanoes on the Martian surface, as well as giant canyon systems, and evidence that water once flowed across the planet. The probe also took the first detailed closeup images of Mars' two small moons, Phobos and Deimos. MARINER 10 used Venus as a gravity assist to Mercury in 1974. The probe did return the first close-up images of the Venusian atmosphere in ultraviolet, revealing previously unseen details in the cloud cover, plus the fact that the entire cloud system circles the planet in four Earth days. MARINER 10 eventually made three flybys of Mercury from 1974 to 1975 before running out of attitude control gas. The probe revealed Mercury as a heavily cratered world with a mass much greater than thought. This would seem to indicate that Mercury has an iron core which makes up 75 percent of the entire planet. PIONEER (MOON, SUN, VENUS, JUPITER, and SATURN FLYBYS AND ORBITERS) PIONEER 1 through 3 failed to meet their main objective - to photograph the Moon close-up - but they did reach far enough into space to provide new information on the area between Earth and the Moon, including new data on the Van Allen radiation belts circling Earth. All three craft had failures with their rocket launchers. PIONEER 1 was launched on October 11, 1958, PIONEER 2 on November 8, and PIONEER 3 on December 6. PIONEER 4 was a Moon probe which missed the Moon and became the first U.S. spacecraft to orbit the Sun in 1959. PIONEER 5 was originally designed to flyby Venus, but the mission was scaled down and it instead studied the interplanetary environment between Venus and Earth out to 36.2 million kilometers in 1960, a record until MARINER 2. PIONEER 6 through 9 were placed into solar orbit from 1965 to 1968: PIONEER 6, 7, and 8 are still transmitting information at this time. PIONEER E (would have been number 10) suffered a launch failure in 1969. PIONEER 10 became the first spacecraft to flyby Jupiter in 1973. PIONEER 11 followed it in 1974, and then went on to become the first probe to study Saturn in 1979. Both vehicles should continue to function through 1995 and are heading off into interstellar space, the first craft ever to do so. PIONEER Venus 1 (1978) (also known as PIONEER Venus Orbiter, or PIONEER 12) burned up in the Venusian atmosphere on October 8, 1992. PVO made the first radar studies of the planet's surface via probe. PIONEER Venus 2 (also known as PIONEER 13) sent four small probes into the atmosphere in December of 1978. The main spacecraft bus burned up high in the atmosphere, while the four probes descended by parachute towards the surface. Though none were expected to survive to the surface, the Day probe did make it and transmitted for 67.5 minutes on the ground before its batteries failed. RANGER (LUNAR LANDER AND IMPACT MISSIONS) RANGER 1 and 2 were test probes for the RANGER lunar impact series. They were meant for high Earth orbit testing in 1961, but rocket problems left them in useless low orbits which quickly decayed. RANGER 3, launched on January 26, 1962, was intended to land an instrument capsule on the surface of the Moon, but problems during the launch caused the probe to miss the Moon and head into solar orbit. RANGER 3 did try to take some images of the Moon as it flew by, but the camera was unfortunately aimed at deep space during the attempt. RANGER 4, launched April 23, 1962, had the same purpose as RANGER 3, but suffered technical problems enroute and crashed on the lunar farside, the first U.S. probe to reach the Moon, albeit without returning data. RANGER 5, launched October 18, 1962 and similar to RANGER 3 and 4, lost all solar panel and battery power enroute and eventually missed the Moon and drifted off into solar orbit. RANGER 6 through 9 had more modified lunar missions: They were to send back live images of the lunar surface as they headed towards an impact with the Moon. RANGER 6 failed this objective in 1964 when its cameras did not operate. RANGER 7 through 9 performed well, becoming the first U.S. lunar probes to return thousands of lunar images through 1965. LUNAR ORBITER (LUNAR SURFACE PHOTOGRAPHY) LUNAR ORBITER 1 through 5 were designed to orbit the Moon and image various sites being studied as landing areas for the manned APOLLO missions of 1969-1972. The probes also contributed greatly to our understanding of lunar surface features, particularly the lunar farside. All five probes of the series, launched from 1966 to 1967, were essentially successful in their missions. They were the first U.S. probes to orbit the Moon. All LOs were eventually crashed into the lunar surface to avoid interference with the manned APOLLO missions. SURVEYOR (LUNAR SOFT LANDERS) The SURVEYOR series were designed primarily to see if an APOLLO lunar module could land on the surface of the Moon without sinking into the soil (before this time, it was feared by some that the Moon was covered in great layers of dust, which would not support a heavy landing vehicle). SURVEYOR was successful in proving that the lunar surface was strong enough to hold up a spacecraft from 1966 to 1968. Only SURVEYOR 2 and 4 were unsuccessful missions. The rest became the first U.S. probes to soft land on the Moon, taking thousands of images and scooping the soil for analysis. APOLLO 12 landed 600 feet from SURVEYOR 3 in 1969 and returned parts of the craft to Earth. SURVEYOR 7, the last of the series, was a purely scientific mission which explored the Tycho crater region in 1968. VIKING (MARS ORBITERS AND LANDERS) VIKING 1 was launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida on August 20, 1975 on a TITAN 3E-CENTAUR D1 rocket. The probe went into Martian orbit on June 19, 1976, and the lander set down on the western slopes of Chryse Planitia on July 20, 1976. It soon began its programmed search for Martian micro-organisms (there is still debate as to whether the probes found life there or not), and sent back incredible color panoramas of its surroundings. One thing scientists learned was that Mars' sky was pinkish in color, not dark blue as they originally thought (the sky is pink due to sunlight reflecting off the reddish dust particles in the thin atmosphere). The lander set down among a field of red sand and boulders stretching out as far as its cameras could image. The VIKING 1 orbiter kept functioning until August 7, 1980, when it ran out of attitude-control propellant. The lander was switched into a weather-reporting mode, where it had been hoped it would keep functioning through 1994; but after November 13, 1982, an errant command had been sent to the lander accidentally telling it to shut down until further orders. Communication was never regained again, despite the engineers' efforts through May of 1983. An interesting side note: VIKING 1's lander has been designated the Thomas A. Mutch Memorial Station in honor of the late leader of the lander imaging team. The National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C. is entrusted with the safekeeping of the Mutch Station Plaque until it can be attached to the lander by a manned expedition. VIKING 2 was launched on September 9, 1975, and arrived in Martian orbit on August 7, 1976. The lander touched down on September 3, 1976 in Utopia Planitia. It accomplished essentially the same tasks as its sister lander, with the exception that its seisometer worked, recording one marsquake. The orbiter had a series of attitude-control gas leaks in 1978, which prompted it being shut down that July. The lander was shut down on April 12, 1980. The orbits of both VIKING orbiters should decay around 2025. VOYAGER (OUTER PLANET FLYBYS) VOYAGER 1 was launched September 5, 1977, and flew past Jupiter on March 5, 1979 and by Saturn on November 13, 1980. VOYAGER 2 was launched August 20, 1977 (before VOYAGER 1), and flew by Jupiter on August 7, 1979, by Saturn on August 26, 1981, by Uranus on January 24, 1986, and by Neptune on August 8, 1989. VOYAGER 2 took advantage of a rare once-every-189-years alignment to slingshot its way from outer planet to outer planet. VOYAGER 1 could, in principle, have headed towards Pluto, but JPL opted for the sure thing of a Titan close up. Between the two probes, our knowledge of the 4 giant planets, their satellites, and their rings has become immense. VOYAGER 1&2 discovered that Jupiter has complicated atmospheric dynamics, lightning and aurorae. Three new satellites were discovered. Two of the major surprises were that Jupiter has rings and that Io has active sulfurous volcanoes, with major effects on the Jovian magnetosphere. When the two probes reached Saturn, they discovered over 1000 ringlets and 7 satellites, including the predicted shepherd satellites that keep the rings stable. The weather was tame compared with Jupiter: massive jet streams with minimal variance (a 33-year great white spot/band cycle is known). Titan's atmosphere was smoggy. Mimas' appearance was startling: one massive impact crater gave it the Death Star appearance. The big surprise here was the stranger aspects of the rings. Braids, kinks, and spokes were both unexpected and difficult to explain. VOYAGER 2, thanks to heroic engineering and programming efforts, continued the mission to Uranus and Neptune. Uranus itself was highly monochromatic in appearance. One oddity was that its magnetic axis was found to be highly skewed from the already completely skewed rotational axis, giving Uranus a peculiar magnetosphere. Icy channels were found on Ariel, and Miranda was a bizarre patchwork of different terrains. 10 satellites and one more ring were discovered. In contrast to Uranus, Neptune was found to have rather active weather, including numerous cloud features. The ring arcs turned out to be bright patches on one ring. Two other rings, and 6 other satellites, were discovered. Neptune's magnetic axis was also skewed. Triton had a canteloupe appearance and geysers. (What's liquid at 38K?) The two VOYAGERs are expected to last for about two more decades. Their on-target journeying gives negative evidence about possible planets beyond Pluto. Their next major scientific discovery should be the location of the heliopause. SOVIET PLANETARY MISSIONS Since there have been so many Soviet probes to the Moon, Venus, and Mars, I will highlight only the primary missions: SOVIET LUNAR PROBES LUNA 1 - Lunar impact attempt in 1959, missed Moon and became first craft in solar orbit. LUNA 2 - First craft to impact on lunar surface in 1959. LUNA 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1959. ZOND 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1965 since LUNA 3. Was also a test for future Mars missions. LUNA 9 - First probe to soft land on the Moon in 1966, returned images from surface. LUNA 10 - First probe to orbit the Moon in 1966. LUNA 13 - Second successful Soviet lunar soft landing mission in 1966. ZOND 5 - First successful circumlunar craft. ZOND 6 through 8 accomplished similar missions through 1970. The probes were unmanned tests of a manned orbiting SOYUZ-type lunar vehicle. LUNA 16 - First probe to land on Moon and return samples of lunar soil to Earth in 1970. LUNA 20 accomplished similar mission in 1972. LUNA 17 - Delivered the first unmanned lunar rover to the Moon's surface, LUNOKHOD 1, in 1970. A similar feat was accomplished with LUNA 21/LUNOKHOD 2 in 1973. LUNA 24 - Last Soviet lunar mission to date. Returned soil samples in 1976. SOVIET VENUS PROBES VENERA 1 - First acknowledged attempt at Venus mission. Transmissions lost enroute in 1961. VENERA 2 - Attempt to image Venus during flyby mission in tandem with VENERA 3. Probe ceased transmitting just before encounter in February of 1966. No images were returned. VENERA 3 - Attempt to place a lander capsule on Venusian surface. Transmissions ceased just before encounter and entire probe became the first craft to impact on another planet in 1966. VENERA 4 - First probe to successfully return data while descending through Venusian atmosphere. Crushed by air pressure before reaching surface in 1967. VENERA 5 and 6 mission profiles similar in 1969. VENERA 7 - First probe to return data from the surface of another planet in 1970. VENERA 8 accomplished a more detailed mission in 1972. VENERA 9 - Sent first image of Venusian surface in 1975. Was also the first probe to orbit Venus. VENERA 10 accomplished similar mission. VENERA 13 - Returned first color images of Venusian surface in 1982. VENERA 14 accomplished similar mission. VENERA 15 - Accomplished radar mapping with VENERA 16 of sections of planet's surface in 1983 more detailed than PVO. VEGA 1 - Accomplished with VEGA 2 first balloon probes of Venusian atmosphere in 1985, including two landers. Flyby buses went on to become first spacecraft to study Comet Halley close-up in March of 1986. SOVIET MARS PROBES MARS 1 - First acknowledged Mars probe in 1962. Transmissions ceased enroute the following year. ZOND 2 - First possible attempt to place a lander capsule on Martian surface. Probe signals ceased enroute in 1965. MARS 2 - First Soviet Mars probe to land - albeit crash - on Martian surface. Orbiter section first Soviet probe to circle the Red Planet in 1971. MARS 3 - First successful soft landing on Martian surface, but lander signals ceased after 90 seconds in 1971. MARS 4 - Attempt at orbiting Mars in 1974, braking rockets failed to fire, probe went on into solar orbit. MARS 5 - First fully successful Soviet Mars mission, orbiting Mars in 1974. Returned images of Martian surface comparable to U.S. probe MARINER 9. MARS 6 - Landing attempt in 1974. Lander crashed into the surface. MARS 7 - Lander missed Mars completely in 1974, went into a solar orbit with its flyby bus. PHOBOS 1 - First attempt to land probes on surface of Mars' largest moon, Phobos. Probe failed enroute in 1988 due to human/computer error. PHOBOS 2 - Attempt to land probes on Martian moon Phobos. The probe did enter Mars orbit in early 1989, but signals ceased one week before scheduled Phobos landing. While there has been talk of Soviet Jupiter, Saturn, and even interstellar probes within the next thirty years, no major steps have yet been taken with these projects. More intensive studies of the Moon, Mars, Venus, and various comets have been planned for the 1990s, and a Mercury mission to orbit and land probes on the tiny world has been planned for 2003. How the many changes in the former Soviet Union (now the Commonwealth of Independent States) will affect the future of their space program remains to be seen. JAPANESE PLANETARY MISSIONS SAKIGAKE (MS-T5) was launched from the Kagoshima Space Center by ISAS on January 8 1985, and approached Halley's Comet within about 7 million km on March 11, 1986. The spacecraft is carrying three instru- ments to measure interplanetary magnetic field/plasma waves/solar wind, all of which work normally now, so ISAS made an Earth swingby by Sakigake on January 8, 1992 into an orbit similar to the earth's. The closest approach was at 23h08m47s (JST=UTC+9h) on January 8, 1992. The geocentric distance was 88,997 km. This is the first planet-swingby for a Japanese spacecraft. During the approach, Sakigake observed the geotail. Some geotail passages will be scheduled in some years hence. The second Earth-swingby will be on June 14, 1993 (at 40 Re (Earth's radius)), and the third October 28, 1994 (at 86 Re). HITEN, a small lunar probe, was launched into Earth orbit on January 24, 1990. The spacecraft was then known as MUSES-A, but was renamed to Hiten once in orbit. The 430 lb probe looped out from Earth and made its first lunary flyby on March 19, where it dropped off its 26 lb midget satellite, HAGOROMO. Japan at this point became the third nation to orbit a satellite around the Moon, joining the Unites States and USSR. The smaller spacecraft, Hagoromo, remained in orbit around the Moon. An apparently broken transistor radio caused the Japanese space scientists to lose track of it. Hagoromo's rocket motor fired on schedule on March 19, but the spacecraft's tracking transmitter failed immediately. The rocket firing of Hagoromo was optically confirmed using the Schmidt camera (105-cm, F3.1) at the Kiso Observatory in Japan. Hiten made multiple lunar flybys at approximately monthly intervals and performed aerobraking experiments using the Earth's atmosphere. Hiten made a close approach to the moon at 22:33 JST (UTC+9h) on February 15, 1992 at the height of 423 km from the moon's surface (35.3N, 9.7E) and fired its propulsion system for about ten minutes to put the craft into lunar orbit. The following is the orbital calculation results after the approach: Apoapsis Altitude: about 49,400 km Periapsis Altitude: about 9,600 km Inclination : 34.7 deg (to ecliptic plane) Period : 4.7 days PLANETARY MISSION REFERENCES I also recommend reading the following works, categorized in three groups: General overviews, specific books on particular space missions, and periodical sources on space probes. This list is by no means complete; it is primarily designed to give you places to start your research through generally available works on the subject. If anyone can add pertinent works to the list, it would be greatly appreciated. Though naturally I recommend all the books listed below, I think it would be best if you started out with the general overview books, in order to give you a clear idea of the history of space exploration in this area. I also recommend that you pick up some good, up-to-date general works on astronomy and the Sol system, to give you some extra background. Most of these books and periodicals can be found in any good public and university library. Some of the more recently published works can also be purchased in and/or ordered through any good mass- market bookstore. General Overviews (in alphabetical order by author): J. Kelly Beatty et al, THE NEW SOLAR SYSTEM, 1990. Merton E. Davies and Bruce C. Murray, THE VIEW FROM SPACE: PHOTOGRAPHIC EXPLORATION OF THE PLANETS, 1971 Kenneth Gatland, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SPACE TECHNOLOGY, 1990 Kenneth Gatland, ROBOT EXPLORERS, 1972 R. Greeley, PLANETARY LANDSCAPES, 1987 Douglas Hart, THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SOVIET SPACECRAFT, 1987 Nicholas L. Johnson, HANDBOOK OF SOVIET LUNAR AND PLANETARY EXPLORATION, 1979 Clayton R. Koppes, JPL AND THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM: A HISTORY OF THE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, 1982 Richard S. Lewis, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE UNIVERSE, 1983 Mark Littman, PLANETS BEYOND: DISCOVERING THE OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM, 1988 Eugene F. Mallove and Gregory L. Matloff, THE STARFLIGHT HANDBOOK: A PIONEER'S GUIDE TO INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL, 1989 Frank Miles and Nicholas Booth, RACE TO MARS: THE MARS FLIGHT ATLAS, 1988 Bruce Murray, JOURNEY INTO SPACE, 1989 Oran W. Nicks, FAR TRAVELERS, 1985 (NASA SP-480) James E. Oberg, UNCOVERING SOVIET DISASTERS: EXPLORING THE LIMITS OF GLASNOST, 1988 Carl Sagan, COMET, 1986 Carl Sagan, THE COSMIC CONNECTION, 1973 Carl Sagan, PLANETS, 1969 (LIFE Science Library) Arthur Smith, PLANETARY EXPLORATION: THIRTY YEARS OF UNMANNED SPACE PROBES, 1988 Andrew Wilson, (JANE'S) SOLAR SYSTEM LOG, 1987 Specific Mission References: Charles A. Cross and Patrick Moore, THE ATLAS OF MERCURY, 1977 (The MARINER 10 mission to Venus and Mercury, 1973-1975) Joel Davis, FLYBY: THE INTERPLANETARY ODYSSEY OF VOYAGER 2, 1987 Irl Newlan, FIRST TO VENUS: THE STORY OF MARINER 2, 1963 Margaret Poynter and Arthur L. Lane, VOYAGER: THE STORY OF A SPACE MISSION, 1984 Carl Sagan, MURMURS OF EARTH, 1978 (Deals with the Earth information records placed on VOYAGER 1 and 2 in case the probes are found by intelligences in interstellar space, as well as the probes and planetary mission objectives themselves.) Other works and periodicals: NASA has published very detailed and technical books on every space probe mission it has launched. Good university libraries will carry these books, and they are easily found simply by knowing which mission you wish to read about. I recommend these works after you first study some of the books listed above. Some periodicals I recommend for reading on space probes are NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, which has written articles on the PIONEER probes to Earth's Moon Luna and the Jovian planets Jupiter and Saturn, the RANGER, SURVEYOR, LUNAR ORBITER, and APOLLO missions to Luna, the MARINER missions to Mercury, Venus, and Mars, the VIKING probes to Mars, and the VOYAGER missions to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. More details on American, Soviet, European, and Japanese probe missions can be found in SKY AND TELESCOPE, ASTRONOMY, SCIENCE, NATURE, and SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN magazines. TIME, NEWSWEEK, and various major newspapers can supply not only general information on certain missions, but also show you what else was going on with Earth at the time events were unfolding, if that is of interest to you. Space missions are affected by numerous political, economic, and climatic factors, as you probably know. Depending on just how far your interest in space probes will go, you might also wish to join The Planetary Society, one of the largest space groups in the world dedicated to planetary exploration. Their periodical, THE PLANETARY REPORT, details the latest space probe missions. Write to The Planetary Society, 65 North Catalina Avenue, Pasadena, California 91106 USA. Good luck with your studies in this area of space exploration. I personally find planetary missions to be one of the more exciting areas in this field, and the benefits human society has and will receive from it are incredible, with many yet to be realized. Larry Klaes klaes@verga.enet.dec.com NEXT: FAQ #11/15 - Upcoming planetary probes - missions and schedules " 9779,14,"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: Space Station radio commercial Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 25 In article xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes: >A brief political/cultural item. > >Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with >a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). >Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond >jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. > >This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. >Didn't catch the advertiser. > >Guess they're pulling out all the stops. In the Air Force world at least, the crisis escalates when scale models of the plane in question (i.e. about to be sacrificed) begin to arrive in key Senators and Congresspersons' offices. Of course it is assumed that coffee mugs and other decorative junk has been tried earlier. Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 ""I post, therefore I ARMM"" " 9780,5,"From: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.j.fielden) Subject: X interactive performance Keywords: benchmark Organization: AT&T Lines: 21 We recently got an NCD X-terminal to evaluate. This is running XRemote over a serial line. I wanted to get some measurement of response time, so I wrote a small Xlib program which simply creates a window, maps it and sends the first Expose event to itself. The program times the delay from sending the event, to receiving it. I thought this was the simplest way to test client/X-server round-trip delays. It's a similar concept to the ping(8C) program. Is this a valid test to perform ? I've also tried the xbench program, available from ftp.uu.net, which bombards the server with graphics operations, but I just wanted to get a quantative measure of what is ""acceptable"" interactive response time. Has anyone got any ideas on this subject ? Thanks. Andrew. (afielden@mlsma.att.com) -- +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |Andrew Fielden. AT&T Network Systems UK | Tel : +44 666 832023 | |Information Systems Group (SUN support) | Email : afielden@mlsma.att.com | +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ " 9781,17,"From: Howard Frederick Subject: Re: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Nf-ID: #R:1993Apr15.204512.11971@urartu.sd:1238805668:cdp:1483500341:000:1042 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hfrederick Apr 16 14:31:00 1993 Lines: 20 I don't know anything about this particular case, but *other* governments have been known to follow events on the Usenet. For example after Tienanmien Square in Beijing the Chinese government began monitoring cyberspace. As the former Director of PeaceNet, I am aware of many incidents of local, state, national and international authorities monitoring Usenet and other conferences such as those on the Institute for Global Communications. But what's the big deal? You shouldn't advocate illegal acts in this medium in any case. If you are concerned about being monitored, you should use encyrption software (available in IGC's ""micro"" conference). I know for a fact that human rights activists in the Balkan-Mideast area use encryption software to send out their reports to international organizations. Such message *can* be decoded however by large computers consuming much CPU time, which probably the Turkish government doesn't have access to. Howard Frederick, University of California, Irvine Department of Politics and Society " 9782,12,"From: buhrow@moria.nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow) Subject: NEED HELP FINDING DIP SWITCH SETTINGS AND JUMPER SETTINGS FOR 386SX MOTHERBOARD Keywords: JUMPER SETTINGS DIP-SWITCH SETTINGS, HELP, COMPUTER 386SX Organization: National Federation of the Blind of California Lines: 14 Hello net. I have a 386sx motherboard with the Phoenix BIOS, an on-board IDE controller port, and two on-board serial ports. Unfortunately, I don't have a manual for this beast and I would like to be able to disable the IDE controller in order to use the MFM controller I have. The board says it is made in Korea and it uses the Chips Chipset. If anyone can give me a clue as to how to go about configuring the board so as not to use the IDE controller, or how to go about finding out how to do it, their help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Please mail buhrow@nfbcal.org with your responses as my news feed is rather tenuous. Thank you very much! -Brian " 9783,7,"From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr18.083715.21366 Distribution: usa Organization: Western Washington University Lines: 25 daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes: >> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next >> year with all new models. >Junk?They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and >acceleration.They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not >the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class >leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 >turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. How can car be any good that has S N A C U D N E written on the back with crooked letters as if a 2-year-old had written it? Hehhehehehahaha! (About as silly as Crysler's attemps to make the label on the back of some of their other cars appear like they are Mercedes.) Sorry, I couldn't resist... -BarryB " 9784,9,"From: dpeterik@iastate.edu (Dan Peterik) Subject: Re: Brewer Notes Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 26 In <30MAR93.02086551.0010@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> PFAN writes: >For those of you who know who Bernie Brewer is, he's back. The >team mascot, if you will, was given his walking papers a few years >ago, but the fans voted him back last season and he will be perched >in the his familiar home in the outfield and will again slide down >into a barrel of beer when home runs are hit. That is great to hear I just may have to take a raod trip to Milwakee this year and see that again. Last time I saw Bernie Brewer was at the age of 10 and I am now 21 thanks for this post. >One final note, Bill Spiers is leading the Brewers with 13 RBI's in >exhibition play. Looks like he's bouncing back nicely from back >problems. Good to Bill is getting better form the limited coverage we get here in Iowa I know that this will be a great season for the BREW CREW!! >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >| Pete Fanning, Computer Operator | ""Leadership is ACTION | >| Office of Information Technology | ...NOT Position"" | >| Milwaukee Area Technical College | -- D. H. McGannon | >|**********************************************************| >| Email: pfan@music.lib.matc.edu (Internet) | >| -or- Pete.Fanning@f71.n154.z1.fidonet.org | >\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ " 9785,17,"From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 20 Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu m.z.magil writes: >It surprises me that this ""story"" has not yet made it to >the front pages of the major newspapers (which love to make the State of >Israel look as evil as humanly possible)! Such a story would be ""eaten up"" >by some of the papers over here. So please explain to me why I have never >seen nor heard of it before! - Believe me, I'm not expecting a reply because >we both know where the story came from... YOUR DREAMS!!!! i would like to remind my jewish colleague mzm that much of the stories of the holocaust (including the ones in the u.s. holocaust memorial museum) were *not* eaten up by some of the papers. we just have to wait to build muesums for it.. -- ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________ (______ _ | _ |_ _____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo " 9786,12,"From: rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) Subject: Re: 68HC16 public domain software? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 1 Doesn't Motorola AMCU have something on the BBS yet? (512-891-3733) " 9787,2,"From: David A. Fuess Subject: Re: Visual c++ Organization: UCLLNL Lines: 29 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov It is correct that VC++ is NOT considered an upgrade for C7. C7 is basically a DOS product, VC++ is a Windows product. As Windows is not an upgrade for DOS, it is a separate operating system product line, its utilities cannot be upgrades for DOS utilities. However, I have also been told that it is NOT an upgrade for QCWIN, which it should be! In article <735708181.AA00457@therose.pdx.com> Don.Hancock@f303.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Don Hancock) writes: >My understanding is that Visual C++ *IS* MSC8.0. Is it not? What I mean is, >it is intended as a logical upgrade to MSC7 (which I own). I AM VERY >interested in VC++, but I can't find ANYTHING about it. Tell me more. >How's the editor? Is it a TRUE windows app (MSC7 - which I love - is NOT). >How are compile times? .exe sizes? How smart is the linker? How WELL does it >do DOS apps? I would like to be one of the few programmers still pumping out >stuff for the DOS users out there - even though I run Win3.1 (I like the >multitasking and I couldn't afford Desqview). Will it link 3rd party libs >easily? I use LOTS of 3rd party libs in my DOS programs (too lazy to do my >own interfaces). How is the debugger - I make lots of mistakes (|-})? >Thanx..... > >.... If it wasn't for C, we would be using BASI, PASAL and OBOL! >___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 +---------------------------------+----------------------+ | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess | | _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS | | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 | | _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 | +-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+ " 9788,9,"From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) Subject: Official Rules of Baseball ISBN Organization: Mistress Barbara's Dungeon Palace Lines: 12 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu I am trying to get a copy of the _official_ rules of baseball. Someone once sent me the ISBN number of it, but I have since lost it. Can anyone give me this information, or tell me where I can find the book? None of my local bookstores have it. +---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ | ""I'm walking home from school, and I'm watching | Jack McKinney | | some men building a new house, and the guy ham- | jmckinney@tamu.edu | | mering on the roof calls me a paranoid little +------------------------+ | weirdo.... in Morse code."" | This space | | -Emo Philips | for rent | +---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ " 9789,5,"From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: REPOST: Accelerators/Translations Keywords: Accelerator, case Reply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 68 In article <1993Apr22.162016.5923@telesoft.com>, trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite) writes: |> In sdennis@osf.org writes: |> |> >I posted this a while ago and didn't receive one reply, and now we |> >have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out? |> |> The problem is that Motif uses XGrabKey to implement menu accelerators, |> and these grabs are specific about which modifiers apply. Unfortunately, |> the specification for XGrabKey doesn't allow AnyModifier to be combined |> with other modifiers, which is exactly what would be desired in this case: |> ""Ctrl Anyq"". |> |> >In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says ""For information |> >on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4..."", this is so you |> >know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to |> >Vol. 4 it says, ""Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is |> >nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For |> >example, the translation: |> > Shiftq: quit() |> >will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as |> >the Shift key (and the q key). |> |> This is true for accelerators and mnemonics, which are implemented using |> event handlers instead of grabs; it's not true for menu accelerators. If |> you're a Motif implementor, I'd suggest lobbying to get the Xlib semantics |> changed to support the feature I described above. Otherwise, change the |> documentation for menu accelerators to properly set the user's |> expectations, because menu accelerators are NOT the same thing as |> translations. |> |> >Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry? |> |> If you mean ""menu accelerator"", no it's not possible. That's according to |> the definition of the XmNaccelerator resource in the XmLabel manual page. |> |> >Keep in mind when answering this question that when using Motif you |> >can't use XtInstallAccelerators(). |> |> I can't think of a reason why not. |> |> >How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of |> >case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one |> >menu entry. I find this thread on motif accelerators absoultly amazing. If I were writing an interface to keyboard accelerators, I would have one resource called ""accelerators"" that took a translation table, period. I would also implement it so that programmer never has to do any work to get the accelerators installed. As soon as the end-user specified one, it would be active and automatically installed. To get multiple accelerators on a single menu item I'd do something like: *menuItem.accelerators: #override \n\ CtrlM: fire() \n\ ShiftL: fire() \n The accelerators would work exactly like translations and you would automatically see a ""Ctrl M"" show up in your menuItem object. Why in the world is the motif stuff so complicated with so many different special cases depending on what type of widget you're dealing with? There has to be some reason. Sorry for the political tone of this message... -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM " 9790,10,"From: juvirtan@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jukka A Virtanen) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 24 In <1993Apr16.015936.11303@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >>>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>>course, but to each his own... >> >>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a >>function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an >>opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all >>means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. >To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. Your >hockey education is not my responsibility. Just curious, Roger, but since you have such a vast knowledge of the game and the league, how come you haven't made a living out of it? There must be a lot of demand for expertise in the field. I'm sure you'd be of great help to, say, the Leafs as an assistant coach or a scout. Or maybe try a career as a reporter or tv commentator... I might be wrong, of course, and you already have. -- Jukka A Virtanen juvirtan@cc.helsinki.fi University of Helsinki " 9791,5,"From: fabian@vivian.w.open.de (Fabian Hoppe) Subject: Searching CAD-software Nntp-Posting-Host: vivian Organization: SubNet - The NeXT Generation Lines: 13 Hi out there! I'm looking for (mechanic-construction)CAD-software either PD-sources or Sun 3-binaries (respective the licence.. :-). Who knows _ANY_ package (and a source/site to get it..) ? Thx, Fabian -- Fabian Hoppe Phone : ++49 2332 12580 Elsternstr. 57 Fax : ++49 2332 83741 W-5820 Gevelsberg EMail : fabian@vivian.w.open.de Germany " 9792,7,"From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: |> |> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 |> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a |> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over |> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab |> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I |> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full |> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. |> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. |> |> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? |> |> |> TRAVIS Boy, Travis.. Were you LUCKY!!.. you went under the new Texas Rangers Stealth Patrol Car! Good thing you slowed down! Newsgroups: rec.autos Distribution: world References: <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) Organization: Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Keywords: " 9793,18,"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 10 Well, the message was interesting (and long), but TWICE? Oh Well. Personally, I loathe libertarianism, but my disagreement is philisophical, not tactical. Election law reform is a good idea. You would not believe what kind of stunts the creatures of the 2 party system are capable of pulling. ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) When the words fold open, it means the death of doors; even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) " 9794,3,"From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt) Subject: Re: difference between VLB and ISA/EISA Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu In article <734874577snx@finbol.toppoint.de> jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) writes: >[......] >Better OSs (OS/2 & iX) are able to handle more than 16MB of DRAM, >if you use EISA-Bus. >Has someone experience with VLB ?? >I think of SCSI-VLB-Busmaster. The problem is the 16bit Floppy DMA >controller, which is unable to reach more than 16MB. I don't think FD is a problem. Since FD is much sloooooooowwwwwwer than HD, the overhead of double buffering doesn't matter. Ken Nakata -- /* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in this mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a second language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words or each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */ " 9795,2,"From: dericks@plains.NoDak.edu (Dale Erickson) Subject: Telix Problem Article-I.D.: ns1.C5uMr8.Gyp Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email or send it to the news group. Thanks. Dale Erickson dericks@plains.nodak.edu -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 9796,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: na Lines: 24 In article klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes: >> >> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P >> rated Baerga higher, actually. > >Finally, an objective source. Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga. >Nice to see the objective source cited rather than ""my dad's bigger than >your dad"" posts. I know. You have this fucked up idea that anybody who prefers Alomar to Baerga must be a Jay-Lover and Indian-Hater. Sorry, you got that one wrong! I hate the Jays and don't care one way or the other about the Indians. But objectively, Alomar had the better offensive year last year, so I have to pick him. You admit T&P as a reliable(?), objective source? Then you will note that they rated Alomar as the better offensive player, chosing Baerga over Alomar only because of his defense. That's a joke! (Alomar might not be a gold-glover, but he's certainly no worse than Baerga defensively.) -Valentine " 9797,10,"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Matt Militzok please read! Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 6 Sorry to everyone for wasting space. Matt, the other day you posted that you were doing a mailing list of playoff stats. I lost your address. Please put me on that list. Thanks. George " 9798,14,From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Lines: 3 They must be shipping that good Eau Clair acid to California now. Tom Freebairn 9799,10,"From: John Michael Santore Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 31 <1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: >Michael Collingridge writes: > >>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, >>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other >>team captain trivia would be appreciated. > >Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to >Pittsburgh? > >Mom. Rick Tocchet was captain of the Flyers for several years before he was traded to the Pens... -John Santore ============================================================================= ____________________ / \ ""We break the surface tension \_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams"" / / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs \_______ / (*) ) ) / / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers! \_____ / / / / / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu) \________/ Rush-Yes-King Crimson-Emerson, Lake and Palmer-Marillion-Genesis (w/ Gabriel) ============================================================================= " 9800,7,"From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Subject: Re: ""Sprayed-on"" Bedliner Info Wanted Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 28 In rec.autos, dennis@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Dennis Schloeman) writes: xSorry to repost this again so soon, but xthe information from my earlier post was xdeleted from our system. > xI am looking for information concerning x""sprayed-on"" bedliners for pickup trucks. xA company here does it using polyurethene xbut they've only been around for 9 months xso there's not much of a track record here. xIs the sprayed-on bedliner any good? How xwell do they hold up over the years? Any xinfo would be appreciated. x xThanks. x xDennis Do you have a Ziebart dealer in your area? They've offered spray on bed liners around here for several years. If you do, see what kind of a warranty they have. ( Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who has gotten one so I can't help you there.) Also ask if they can give you a list of references. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mack Costello Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____ Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 9801,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect) Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes: >In article hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes: >> >>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each >> ^^^^^^ >> excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. > > >Squids are everybody but me and you. Chris Behanna is especially a squid. Hey, Dana! Long time, no read. I'm afraid the squid rating has gone up slightly since getting the Ninja, but I'm trying very hard to restrain myself--the bodywork is just too damned expensive (knock, knock). At least it's quiet... Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 9802,3,"From: andrei@labomath.univ-orleans.fr (Andrei Yakovlev) Subject: How to program a PC Keyboard itself? Organization: University of Orleans, France. Lines: 17 Hi All, I have heard that somewhere there exist programmable keyboards, eg. one can program displays on the keys to show some specific characters, et.c. Does it mean that there is some way of transmitting some ""non-trivial"" data to the KB (as opposed to standard NumLock/... On-Off, typeamatic specs.) from inside the PC software? I have not found any corresponding reference in the specs for the 8042 PC-KB interface. Anyone have any ideas? (Except that they may encode data by the sequences of the standard commands mentioned above, which wouldn't look too neat, besides, what would one do from an XT?) Great thanks in advance, Andrew. " 9803,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 17 In article <1rambk$cee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: >ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: [Andi's posting deleted...] Hamaza's only comment is: >Well said Mr. Beyer :) Andi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know you're on the wrong track. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 9804,9,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 59 (Steve Tomassi) writes: > Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? >I > >mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, >as >is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell >Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in >Eddie >Murray and Jeff Reardon. > Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody >giving >Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, >marginal. >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. > Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors >so >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if >something >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? > >Q Steve What's the difference between Nolan Ryan and Yount? Both have hung around for years, and continue to post great stats. Why shouldn't Dave Kingman get into the Hall? Or Murray, Evens, Reardon, and others? What the hell do you have to do? Ask an opposing pitcher whether he thinks that Winfield should be in the hall... God. Pretty soon you'll be saying that Cal Ripken doesn't deserve to be in the Hall. Then, I'll flame you. :-) -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 9805,18,"From: jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] Distribution: na Organization: Chevron Lines: 31 In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the Religious Left. > >Show me all these environmental ""disasters"". Most of them aren't. And the >natural disasters we have had individually far outweigh the man-made ones. > >Most of your so-called disasters (Love Canal, Times Beach, TMI) aren't disasters >at all. > >So look, if you want to worship trees (or owls or snails or whatever), fine, do >so. But DON'T try to push the scaredness of YOUR religious off onto me. > If you want to see environmental disasters, go to eastern Europe or some parts of the FSU (former Soviet Union). This is because they had no environmental protection laws and were trying to increase productivity at any expense to justify their political systems. Luckily for us, some of our politicians with vision passed some environmental laws. That isn't to say that they shouldn't be modified, but all I ever hear from you is that the environmental laws were dreamed up by a bunch of left-wing tree-huggers intent on putting us back on horseback. Yes, there are some of those, but a lot of us simply want to procede with caution. -- John Viveiros (jviv@chevron.com) Chevron USA Standard disclaimer applies Midland TX -- NetNews userid for nntpserver.chevron.com - Who said ""No News is good news"" ? " 9806,16,"From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Oh Christ, here we go again. I'm actually going to assume that this was a serious posting, fool that I am. In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms >'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that >there are actually *few* cases where this is so. And I suppose I should just take your word for it. Did you ever think that many people who use firearms to protect themselves might not admit to it because of the ridiculous laws which exist forbidding concealed carry? >The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary >opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who >would argue with you about a parking space, those who would >take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. I already own a cool jacket. I ride a bicycle to work and park it behind my desk. And if my woman decides to go with someone else, I'd be disappointed but killing her new suitor will probably not endear her to me any more than before. Frankly, I've never met a woman worth killing for anyway. (Now, an AR-15 with a chrome barrel, THAT's worth killing for ...!-)) >Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. >No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, >than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. Does this pinhead know something the rest of us don't? I'm not too worried about federal martials coming to get my guns. The government can't seem to keep violent criminals in jail since they don't have enough prison space, and the legal system is over- burdened anyway. Where are they going to put all the millions of gun-owners who won't fork over their weapons? Maybe you'd like to volunteer the services of your humble abode, since you obviously feel sooooo strongly about this. >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. Your argument has been rendered useless. Accept this. Find another newsgroup. ------------------------------------------------------------ Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. ------------------------------------------------------------ " 9807,10,"From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.171319.13467@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes: > >>Coaching news: >> Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks >Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda >hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any >of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov? The first time I heard this piece of news was on the post game radio interview here in Jyvaskyla. That was the bronze medal game in the SM-liiga which Tichonov's team Porin Assat (the Aces of town Pori:) lost. Vasili, the son of Victor Tichonov (the famous Soviet coach), said that for a long time the Sharks have been persuading him to take the assistant coach post. But he wants to be the head coach where ever he goes. He definitely won't be coaching Assat anymore (after three? seasons). I don't know why. Vasili is a good coach I believe. Assat was a good team, produced many players to our national team. Assat wasn't a skilled team (IMHO) but they had the fighting spirit. After all, they butchered Jokerit in the playoffs and gave hard time to TPS, the champs. But Assat wasn't consistent, only when they were in the right mood they could beat any team in the SM-liiga. I am not 100% sure about the deal with the Sharks. As I said, he wants to be the head coach. But he and the Sharks are going to negotiate and decide during the WC. I doubt that he will be the head coach but maybe they'll do some compromise. Could somebody post more information about Vasili? I know he was coaching in the former Soviet league; teams, results? His character as a coach? " 9808,11,"From: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Subject: Re: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 Organization: University of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign Lines: 32 The only way to view this method of generating unit keys is as a back-door. What else can you call a key deterministically generated from the serial number? To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. What happens is that the need for the Escrow houses is completely eliminated. Or should I say, the need to _access_ the Escrow houses to decrypt the data. The houses will still serve a real purpose as far as generating the illusion of protection, and small-town cops won't be let in on the ""secret"", so they will still go through the motions of going to the Escrow houses, but the fact is __the Federal government CAN and WILL build a chip which generates the unit keys from the encrypted serial number!__ 'Nuff Said. " 9809,13,"Organization: Arizona State University From: Subject: Re: Burzynski's ""Antineoplastons"" Distribution: world Lines: 16 A good source of information on Burzynski's method is in *The Cancer Industry* by pulitzer-prize nominee Ralph Moss. Also, a non-profit organization called ""People Against Cancer,"" which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the cancer industry, but which have shown highly promising results (all of which are non-toxic). Anyone interested in cancer therapy should contact this organi- zation ASAP: People Against Cancer PO Box 10 Otho IA 50569-0010 (515)972-4444 FAX (515)972-4415 peace greg nigh " 9810,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: So how do you then explain sudden violent behavior of human beings? >Your theory would state that the more the human is detached from >primitive behavior, the more violent and non-moralistic the human >becomes (please correct me if my understanding was wrong). So >you have this bifurcation point where a madman is killing people >from the roof of a campus. Could you explain how your 'theory' >explains such a situation? Madmen are mad. Do we try to explain the output from a broken computer? I think not. keith " 9811,13,"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: |> 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational |> experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and |> interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical |> controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall, |> there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations, |> petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which |> computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical |> function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated. |> |> The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate |> part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly. I think we agree on much. However the paragraphs above seem to repeat uncritically the standard Kuhn/Lakatos/Feyerabend view of ""progress"" and ""rationality"" in science. Since I've addressed these issues in this newsgroup in the not too distant past, I won't go into them again now. What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps even the ""correct"") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and petty hatreds. It further at least implicitly advances the position that sciences goes ""forward"" (and it is not clear what this means given the context in which it occurs) by generating in a completely non-rational and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then weeded out via the ""critical function"" of science. (Though why this critical function should be less subject to the non-rational forces is a mystery. If experimental design, hypotheses creation, and theory construction are subject to jealousies and petty hatreds, then this must be equally true of the application of any ""critical function"" concerning replication. This is what leads one (ala Feyerabend) to an ""anything goes"" view.) True, the generation part *can* be totally irrational. But typically it is *not*. Anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have resulted in some way from a dream or from one's political views simply do not generalize well to the actual history of science. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm " 9812,6,"Subject: Mives 4 Sale (update) From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 15 VHS movie for sale Kevin Costner Dances withs Wolves Just open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have to pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping) Let me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this e-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu thanks, Douglas Kou Hiram College " 9813,10,"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Blues into playoffs, beat TB 6-5 Keywords: Blues, Shanahan, Joseph, Hull, Minnesota, TB Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 127 By Dave Luecking Of The Post-Dispatch Staff At 9:11 Thursday night, the scoreboard watchers at The Arena began to cheer. Their cheer quickly turned into a roar, and finally, the sellout crowd of 17,816 rose as one to rock the old barn at 5700 Oakland Avenue in a salute to the playoff-bound Blues. The scoreboard had just flashed the news from Detroit -- Red Wings 5, Stars 3. With the North Stars' loss, the Blues officially clinched fourth place and the final playoff spot in the Norris Division. Good thing, because the Blues quit playing. They held a 5-1 lead over Tampa Bay when the Detroit-Minnesota final appeared with 3 minutes 52 remaining in the second period. They promptly went to sleep and barely held on for a 6-5 victory that nearly slipped away at the buzzer. Tampa's Bob Beers tipped in a pass from Shawn Chambers, but officiating supervisor John D'Amico and video goal judge Rich Schweigler ruled that the shot had gone into the net after time had expired. ``I'm glad I didn't see it go in at the end,"" Blues coach Bob Berry said. If the goal had counted, he'd have been more upset than he was by the Blues' disappearance in the final 24 minutes. Holding on for the victory and making the playoffs tempered Berry's anger. ``It wasn't pretty at the end,"" he said. ``We played 36, 37 great minutes, as good as we played all year. It slipped away at the end. It shouldn't have, but it did."" Still, the Blues won, prompting another ovation from the crowd at game's end. Despite their shoddy effort in the third period and all the turmoil this season, the Blues still made the playoffs. They'll meet the Chicago Blackhawks in a best-of-seven Norris Division semifinal, beginning at noon Sunday at Chicago Stadium. The Blues finished the regular-season with a record of 37-36-11 for 85 points, their fourth consecutive plus-.500 season. Minnesota finished three points behind in fifth place, with a record of 36-38- 10 for 82 points. Tampa Bay, which played spoiler last week by tying the Blues 2-2 at Tampa, ended its first season with a record of 23-54-7 for 53 points. The poor finish cast an unnecessary shadow over what should have been a joyous Blues locker room. Instead, the mood was one of relief and some disappointment. ``It's a shame we let down,"" said Kevin Miller, one of three Blues to score two goals. Brendan Shanahan and Bob Bassen were the others. ``There was no need for a letdown. If we'd have kept working, it would have ended 6-2 and everyone would be happy."" Instead, a lot of players were happy just to make the playoffs. ``We won, and that's all that matters,"" said Brett Hull, scoreless and minus-3 for the night. ``Once we got up 4-0, it was really tough to play."" Some players didn't have a problem. ``Just because the score was announced, our line didn't quit,"" said Rich Sutter, who played with Bassen and Miller. ``We still had a game to play. You can't allow five goals like we did, that's not right. ``It was disappointing to see what was going on."" Bassen was almost frantic on the bench because of the Blues' effort. Somehow, he missed the announcement of Minnesota's loss. ``I didn't know it was final,"" he said. ``I was kind of looking around on the bench. I didn't realize it was a final for some reason. We're in the playoffs, and that's great, but it's a little disappointing to play like we did at the end."" The letdown was precisely the reason that Berry had instructed the scoreboard operators to keep the Minnesota-Detroit score off of the board. The score showed 0-0 until it first popped up with Detroit leading 4-2 in the third period. The Blues already led 4-0 at the time. ``I told them I didn't want to see the score, I didn't want to know the score,"" Berry said. ``I felt we had to win the game, and that's the approach we took."" If Minnesota took a lead, Berry feared, the pressure of having to win might bother the Blues. If Detroit led, he worried, the Blues might quit. Until the announcement, the Blues played splendidly. Shanahan got the crowd going at 10:44 of the first period, scoring his 50th of the season. Then, Miller and Bassen took charge late in the period. With the teams playing four on four, Miller broke in on left wing, deked defenseman Roman Hamrlik and beat former Blues goalie Pat Jablonski with the rebound of his own shot with 21.6 seconds remaining in the period. Then, just 10.5 seconds later, Bassen rifled a long slap shot past Jablonski after defenseman Rick Zombo intercepted a Tampa pass in the neutral zone. Bassen made it 4-0 just 14 seconds into the second period, scoring on the rebound of Bret Hedican's shot. The goal gave him his first two-goal game of the season and reminded him of a special friend. Last year, Bassen befriended young Oliver Mulvihill, who died of a rare form of cancer at age 6 on Feb. 23. ``I was thinking of my buddy Oliver,"" Bassen said. ``He's in heaven now, and I know he was watching. I know he's happy."" Miller increased the Blues lead to 5-0 on a break-away goal set up by Zombo at 11:09. Then, Steve Maltais broke Curtis Joseph's shutout just 18 seconds later, making it 5-1. Less than a minute after the North Stars' final was announced, Tim Bergland scored and cut the lead to 5-2. But Shanahan scored his 51st, converting a pass from Nelson Emerson with 21.3 seconds remaining in the second period. Then, it was all Lightning. Adam Creighton scored 40 seconds into the third period, prompting Berry to rest the overworked Joseph. Guy Hebert allowed goals to Shawn Chambers and Danton Cole in a span of 1:21 midway through the third period. The goals by Chambers and Cole made Shanahan's second goal stand up as the winner. ``We were in there,"" Shanahan said. ``The game was over. We were in."" %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % % \ ________/ * * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % % \ \ Contact for the Blues * * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % % (___) BLUES * *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% " 9814,15,"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31 In article REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > >2) If you haven't accepted Jesus are your Savior, you're taking an awful >chance. As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if >you are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die >and cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and >suffer eternal damnation. I don't mean to make fun at this point, but its like >Dirty Harry said, ""You've got to ask yourself, 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do >you?"" ""A man's got to know his limitations."" Don't be one of the ""whosoever >wont's."" This is a ridiculous argument for being a Christian. So then, you might consider switching from Christianity to another religion if you were offered an even more frightening description of another hell? How many Christians do think there are who view it strictly as an insurance policy? Not many I know; they believe in a message of love and compassion for others. A faith based on fear of hell sounds like a dysfunctional relationship with God. Like a child who cringes in fear of a parent's physical violence. Many religions have concrete views of heaven and hell, with various threats and persuasions regarding who will go where. Competition over who can envison the worst hell can hardly nurture the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself. >--Rex -- comments, criticism welcome... -Ken alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu " 9815,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 21 In article <1r1t1a$njq@europa.eng.gtefsd.com> draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com writes: :I recently attended an allery seminar. Steroid Nasal sprays were :discussed. Afterward on a one-on-one basis, I asked the speaker what if :none of the Vancanese, Beconase, Nasalide, Nasalcort, or Nasalchrom work :nor do any oral decongestants work. She replied that she saw an article on :Vasomotor Rhinitis. That this is not an allergic reaction and that nothing :other than the Afrin's and such would work. (Which in my case is true). There has been some recent research on vasomotor rhinitis that shows that ipratroprium bromide (Atrovent) inhaled nasally is an effective treatment for many sufferers. It has been approved for this use and is available with a nasal adaptor in Canada. In the US the FDA has yet to approve this use of the drug, but it is available as an oral inhaler (for COPD), and these can be adapted for intranasal use. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 9816,8,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr18.230531.11329@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes: >In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. >> >>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. >>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. >> >>Now what do I do? > >Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can >keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay. > >I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of >driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted. Look, guy, I doubt anyone here approves of Drunk Driving, but if he's been caught and convicted and punished maybe you ought to lighten up? I mean, it isn't like most of us haven't had a few and then ridden or driven home. *We* just didn't get caught. And I can speak for myself and say it will *never* happen again, but that is beside the point. In answer to the original poster: I'd insure whatever vehicle is cheapest, and can get you to and from work, and suffer through it for a few years, til your rates drop. And *don't* drink and drive. I had one friend killed by a drunk, and I was rear ended by one, totaling my bike (bent frame), and only failing to kill me because I had an eye on my mirror while I waited at the stoplight. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 9817,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 28 In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com>, dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: >Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders >because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but >500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you >picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing >sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? Not just because of the riflemen. They also have many hard bunkers in the mountains that would be nearly impossible to penetrate. As for tanks, they would be rather useless in such mountainous terrain. >Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this >world. Gee, that's a new one. He thought it was a different ethnic group. Since Hitler was determined to control, at the least, all of Europe, do you think he gave a damn about international monetary concerns? Also, there's a LOT of gold in Swiss vaults. Don't you think he new that? If he could have, he would have taken Switzerland. However, crazy as he was, he wasn't totally stupid. It would have cost him a hell of a lot to take Switzerland, with no guarantee that an invasion would be successful. He probably figured (or his generals did, when he was listening to them) that it wasn't worth the cost. Al [standard disclaimer] " 9818,1,"From: ukrphil@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (M.J.Phillips) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Reply-To: ukrphil@prlhp1.UUCP (M.J.Phillips) Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK Lines: 7 The 68070 _does_ exist. It's number was licensed to Philips to make their own variant. This chip includes extra featurfes such as more I/O ports, I2C bus... making it more microcontroller like. Because of the confusion with numbering (!), Philips other products in the [range with the 68??? core have been given differend numbers like PCF... or PCD7.. or something. " 9819,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes... >In article <1993Apr20.120311.1@pa881a.inland.com> schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer) writes: >There are currently no particular plans to do any further searches for life. Not quite true. One of the instruments on Mars Observer will be searching for potential fossil sites. >>Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? > >Mars Observer, currently approaching Mars, will probably try to get a better >image or two of the ""face"" at some point. It's not high priority; nobody >takes it very seriously. The shadowed half of the face does not look very >face-like, so all it will take is one shot at a different sun angle to ruin >the illusion. The face and the Viking landing sites will be targeted by the high-resolution camera on Mars Observer. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 9820,14,"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) Subject: Re: Space Advertising (2 of 2) Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa Lines: 15 As for SF and advertising in space. There is a romantic episode in Mead's ""The Big Ball of Wax"" where the lovers are watching the constellation Pepsi Cola rising over the horizon and noting the some 'stars' had slipped cause the Teamsters were on strike. This was the inspiration for my article on orbiting a formation of space mirrors published in Spaceflight in 1986. As the reviews said: this seems technically feasible, and could be commercially viable but is it aesthetically desirable? These days the only aesthetics that count are the ones you can count! -- Dave Stephenson Geological Survey of Canada Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca " 9821,5,"From: nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicholas Young) Subject: Graphics editor required X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group. Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK. Lines: 21 See subject. An opportunity for sales-people (-persons? -entities?). I am looking for a commercial/PD graphics editor with fairly limited abilities that runs under X and preferably uses Motif widgets. It must run on HP-UX version 9, either with or without the PEX extension. The sort of things I want are simple drawing, resizing and moving of objects such as lines, rectangles and text. Bounding rectangle operations are sufficient for object selection. Ideally it should also allow the creation and placement of more complex objects such as widgets (e.g. text entry fields or labels), but this is not mandatory. Does anyone have such an animal? If you do, please mail me with details including price (especially run-time licensing since it must be included in a product). Alternatively, send glossies to me at Logica, 68 Newman Street, London W1, including technical info please. For PD stuff, I have some effort that could be put into porting. Thanks for any help, Nicholas Young. -- Nicholas Young (+44 71 637 9111) " 9822,12,"From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Subject: Re: CAD Program for Electronics? Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr17.211126.23467@norfolk.vak12ed.edu> fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper) writes: >I am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job >of making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in >MS-DOS, Windows if possible. > >What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by >dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements >needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins). >It also needs to have provision for adding legends to the >components as well as their values. In other words I want to >produce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin >dot-matrix and/or Laser Printer. I would suggest Draw for Windows (by Micrografx). I have this on my home box. Its quite impressive and only cost UKL100. It has a rather nice clip-art library facility which you can expand with your own drawings. There is no circuit component clip-art included, but you could add your own quite easily. It works with any Windows printer driver of course, and can also export embedded postscript and PCX files. Note: I am not connected with Micrografx in any way. Paul. -- Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions " 9823,6,"From: davidson@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David Davidson) Subject: Portable Color T.V. $160 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Hey, I have a Color Watchman by SONY for sale. It is 6""x3""x1"" in total and the screen is 2.75"" diagonal, over 2"" wide, over 1.5"" tall. I got it 2 years ago for $320, so I'm asking $160 obo. * VHF and UHF switch for channels 2 through 69. * slot for Audio/Video in from VCR (appropriate cord provided) * slot for phones * slot for A/C adaptor (A/C adaptor also provided) * slot for external Antenna (internal antenna provided) * On/Off switch * Manual Tuning, Volume, Brightness and Hue * Battery run as well (4 AA batteries provided) It's been used very little. Looks like new. Email if interested. -dave " 9824,3,"From: mrm@st-andrews.ac.uk (Malcolm R. McLeod) Subject: WEN 20"" monitor help Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland. Lines: 5 does anybody have any info on this monitor or the manufacturers? all help through e-mail please. Scotty. " 9825,17,"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: No land for peace - No negotiatians Originator: hasan@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr5.175047.17368@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: |> Alan Stein writes: |> |> >What are you talking about? The Rabin government has clearly |> >indicated its interest in a territorial compromise that would leave |> >the vast majority of the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza outside |> >Israeli control. (just an interrupting comment here) Since EARLY 1980's , israelis said they are willing to give up the Adminstration rule of the occupied terretories to Palestineans. Palestineans refused and will refuse such settlement that denies them their right of SELF-DETERMINATION. period. |> I know. I was just pointing out that not compromising may be a bad idea. And |> there are, in Israel, voices against negotiations. And I think there are many |> among palestineans also against any negociations. |> |> Just an opinion |> |> Dorin Ok. I donot know why there are israeli voices against negotiations. However, i would guess that is because they refuse giving back a land for those who have the right for it. As for the Arabian and Palestinean voices that are against the current negotiations and the so-called peace process, they are not against peace per se, but rather for their well-founded predictions that Israel would NOT give an inch of the West bank (and most probably the same for Golan Heights) back to the Arabs. An 18 months of ""negotiations"" in Madrid, and Washington proved these predictions. Now many will jump on me saying why are you blaming israelis for no-result negotiations. I would say why would the Arabs stall the negotiations, what do they have to loose ? Arabs feel that the current ""negotiations"" is ONLY for legitimizing the current status-quo and for opening the doors of the Arab markets for israeli trade and ""oranges"". That is simply unacceptable and would be revoked. Just an opinion. Hasan " 9826,8,"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: world Organization: NOT Lines: 25 vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: ]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking ]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is ""I rode the the first ]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"" I admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in the most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get. ]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people? ]I though I still had mine, but I dunno... I think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article. you seem to forget that you've stepped into the political arena. as well intentioned as you may intend something you're walking through a china store carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something about how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don't have to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted jokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight. OBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-) -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org " 9827,16,"From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: [deleted] >The University cops here (who are >are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most >state cops are. I don't know where you are originally from David but you live >in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news >and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here >than there. Which crap, the ridiculous assertions that Uzis are mowing down cops right and left? The assertions that dialing 911 should be the proper and only option available to the law-abiding citizens? A factoid: 56 cops were killed in the whole country last year. This is down from around 100 in the early '80s. Wow, a real explosion in cop killings there eh? :-) -- ""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. " 9828,4,"From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) Subject: Re: Quadra 900 startup w/out monitor...ya right. Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 16 Shawn FitzGerald (chungkuo@umcc.umcc.umich.edu) wrote: : Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup : unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since : we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor : connected all the time. I've seen a control panel made for this. I don't remember the name, where I saw it, or on what Quadra models it will work. But I do know it exists :) /Mats -- Mats Bredell Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC) Ph: +46 18 187817 Department of medical systems Fax: +46 18 187825 Sweden Think straight - be gay! " 9829,3,"From: pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Paul Davies) Subject: Help!! Video problems. Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 13 I am using a 8507 IBM monitor (19"" greysale) with a Trident (1MB) card. The screen looks great (Windows) at 640x480 but total shit at 1024x768. There are lots of lines and the image is sorta blurry. Is there anything I can do. Do you think it is the monitor? I know that it is Interlaced at that res but still. thanks for the help Paul Davies pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca " 9830,2,"From: daa7365@tamuts.tamu.edu (Diego A. Aranda) Subject: Windows Shareware Monthly (INFORMATION) Article-I.D.: tamsun.1ps35rINNfpd Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 100 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu Windows Shareware Monthly (WSM) is an on-line forum for information about the newest and best Windows 3.x and NT shareware/freeware software. WSM is a compilation of submissions from shareware/freeware authors in a single Windows .HLP (Help System) file. All types of software may be submitted for entry in WSM - utilities, applications, games, programming tools, etc. WSM benefits Windows shareware/freeware authors by allowing them to publicize their software releases, inform users of updated versions, and to increase their installed base of users. Those searching for specific Windows software will benefit by having a complete list of available software available at their fingertips - complete with feature lists, current prices, and any other relevant information. Windows software authors may submit entries to Windows Shareware Monthly in the following manner: 1. Compose a short summary of the function of the software. Include all special features which are unique to your product and which set it apart from other programs in the genre. Be sure to include specific details such as: the current release version, where the software is available, how much the registration fee costs, how much disk space is required, any special requirements (e.g. sound card, or VBRUN200.DLL, etc.), how the author may be contacted, etc. Because text is highly compressible, the summary may be as long as is necessary, however, it is best to keep it short. A good guideline is a single screenful of 12-point text at 640x480 resolution. Order forms and other such addendum may be included if desired. All submissions whould be in plain text (ASCII) format. Formatting will be exactly as it is submitted - I will simply cut and paste text files into a Help Authoring system. If you require special formatting conventions - such as boldface text or italics, or a larger font size, indicate so CLEARLY within the text file. For best results, use Windows NotePad to create the .TXT file. 2. Include up to 100k of Windows-format .BMP (bitmap) screen-shots which display the workings or special features of each program. Special cases (rendering applications for example) which require 256-color bitmaps may submit up to 250k of .BMP files - all other should observe the 100k limit and use 16-color format. For maximum compatiblity with the software which will be used to create the WSM .HLP file (Stefan Olson's Help Writer's Assistant for Windows), please save the bitmaps with Windows Paintbrush or WinGIF. 3. Include a 16-color .BMP of the program's icon (.ICO file). Many programs are available to convert .ICO to .BMP format, or Windows Paintbrush may be used. The .BMP will be embedded in the summary text. 4. Double-check for spelling errors, formatting corrections, etc. 5. Compress the .TXT file, the .BMP of the program icon, and any additional .BMPs into a single file using PKZIP (any version). 6. Submit the entry by UUENCODING the .ZIPfile, and e-mailing it to: DAA7365@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU if submitting via the Internet or Compuserve. If submitting via America Online, send a brief message indicating submission, and append the .ZIP file, then e-mail to: DiegoAA 7. If any changes are required, or a new version is released, complete the above procedures again. Send all submissions to the @TAMUTS address, and any comments, suggestions, criticisms, to DAA7365@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU. All entries received before the deadline will be included in the subsequent edition of WSM. The editor will not be held responsible for any errors, and we reserve the right to make changes to the entries. WSM is not limited to shareware/freeware software. A special area will be devoted to commercially available Windows 3.x and NT software. Commercial software authors should follow the same steps above, with the exception of the limitations on size - the .TXT file and .BMPs may be as large as required (and as large as is practical for transmission over phone lines). There is no charge for the publishing of either shareware/freeware or commercial product entries. Advertisements for computer hardware, software, bulletin boards, etc. may be submitted as well. Again, the same procedures apply, with the exception of the size limitations. There is no charge for advertising space. The first ten advertisements submitted each month will be included; subsequent submissions will not be included due to size constraints. WSM is currently looking for persons willing to devote the time to author columns within WSM. A C/C++ programing section, a Visual Basic section, and two Windows-specific opinion/advice columns are envisioned. All work will be on a voluntary basis. If you wish to aid WSM and author a monthly column on one of the above topics, please send us mail at DAA7365@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU or DiegoAA on America Online. The first edition of WSM will be distributed May 1st via America Online, Compuserve, and the Internet. The deadline for submissions is April 28th. The first edition filename will be WSM-1.ZIP, with each subsequent monthly release continuing in the series naming convention (WSM-2.ZIP, etc.). Each edition will be released on the first of each month, and the deadline for submission will be at least three days before release. " 9831,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: CLINTON JOINS LIST OF GENOCIDAL SOCIALIST LEADERS Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 13 In article <1r00ug$d60@btr.btr.com> michaelh@public.btr.com (Michael Hahn michaelh@btr.com) writes: >Pol Pot 100,000s Killed? I've read estimates that Pol Pot killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million. Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 9832,3,"From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ???? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 15 Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) says: >Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for! > >V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up >the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster. >This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to >video memory. Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA. While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands for video is not entirely correct. -- " 9833,0,"From: chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? Organization: South Australian Regional Academic and Research Network Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: baarnie.tafe.sa.edu.au ""James F. Tims"" writes: >By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we >place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than >we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error. I would rather be at a higher risk of being killed than actually killed by ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ mistake. Though I do agree with the concept that the type D and E murderers are a massive waste of space and resources I don't agree with the concept: killing is wrong if you kill we will punish you our punishment will be to kill you. Seems to be lacking in consistency. -- ""I know"" is nothing more than ""I believe"" with pretentions. " 9834,8,"From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks) Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 51 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is >anywhere from 1/2"" to 7/8"" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded >in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type >locking mechanism. I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's >more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat >in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8"" model). > > FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck. A word of warning, though: Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable locks under the Kryptonite name. When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike. I then went out shopping for a new lock for the bicycle. For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock (advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both, Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel). I chose the Kryptonite cable. After less than a week, I took it back in disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock. First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of quality and quality assurance. It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable lock with the Kryptonite name on it. Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke. I don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it. Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the dark. I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the lock mechanism would stand up to an ""insert screwdriver and TORQUE"" attack. Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is). All cables suffer the weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time. If you are patient you can cut cables with fingernail clippers. Aviation snips would go through the cable in well under a minute. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu " 9835,1,"Subject: Re: Trying to view POV files..... From: dane@nermal.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA Nntp-Posting-Host: nermal.santarosa.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 Edward d Nobles (ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU) wrote: : I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY. I have the Diamond : SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_). So far I can convert them to : jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color. .. : Just want to see the darn things in real color... I have an ATI ultra pro card, and have found that the easiest way to view true color images is using their windows drivers and something like winjpeg or photofinish. If anyone has a non-windows solution, I'd love to hear it! Dane " 9836,3,"From: john@wa3wbu.UUCP (John Gayman) Subject: Re: ATI build 59 drivers ""good""? Summary: ATI Organization: WA3WBU, Marysville, PA Lines: 22 In article , larryhow@austin.ibm.com writes: > > How stable are the build 59 drivers? Are people having success installing > and running with these? > I've been using the Build59 drivers on a GW2K 4DX2-66V for several weeks with no problems. I'm running Windows in 1024x758 and all software I've run has worked fine. This includes many games and the CD-based multi-media encyclopedia, on which the full-motion video works fine. I'd recommend you give them a try. -- John -- John Gayman, WA3WBU UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john Packet: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH " 9837,16,"From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) Subject: Randy Weaver Trial - Day 2 Nntp-Posting-Host: hound Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" Distribution: usa Lines: 89 This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list. ============================================================== Hi Folks; Wednesday marked day 2, the beginning of the trial. Opening statements were given by both the prosecution and the defense, each side presenting its version of what happenned last August. The prosecution argued that Weaver and his family moved to Idaho in 1983 anticipating a battle with the ""evil"" federal government. The prosecution alleges that Weaver sold federal agents ""sawed off"" shotguns and later failed to appear for trial: Despite repeated ""good faith"" efforts to get Weaver to surrender peacefully, Weaver refused. The shootout erupted when Weaver discovered agents on a surveillance mission and began firing. According to the prosecution, three people were taking an ""offensive action"" against an FBI helicopter when an FBI sniper killed Vicki Weaver. The defense argued that Weaver and his family moved to northern Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace. They wanted simply to be left alone. Weaver was induced by federal agents to sell the short-barrelled shotgun (and did not, as the prosecution alleged, want to become a ""regular supplier""). The defense also argued that the federal government sought to arrest Weaver when he wouldn't become an informant [it is not specified explicitly, but I assume that this is a reference to the white separatist angle of the story. We'll know more as things develop]. The failure to appear in court happenned because Weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date. The shootout occurred when federal agent Arthur Roderick killed Weaver's dog that was in proximity to Weaver's son, Samuel. Weaver then fired in self-defense. In the ensuing battle, federal agent William Degan was killed (when his gun was later found, there were 7 .223 cases nearby and the gun was on semi-automatic: However, agents were near the body for an extended period of time and could have played with the select-fire - this will have to be more fully explained). Finally, the defense claims that Vicki Weaver was only going to ""look at the body"" [not recover?] of her son when she was cut-down by an FBI sniper. Prosecution quote: ""Weaver wanted that confrontation, and he made that confrontation."" -- Asst. U.S. Attorney Kim Lindquist Defense quote: ""The evidence in this case is going to show that this is a case where Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris are charged with crimes they didn't commit in order to cover crimes that the government did commit."" -- Gerry Spence [nice soundbite!] Notes: The _Idaho Statesman_ claims that Weaver supporters heeded a call from Spence not to repeat yesterday's protests outside the courthouse. However, the local NBC affiliate again had footage on the 10:00 news with 5 supporters including ""Tim"" again. ""Tim"" claimed he was a skinhead, who were ""ordinary, working class people."" He also claimed he was for ""white pride, not white power."" Outside the courthouse the television crew had an impromptu interview with Bo Gritz, who charged that the neo-nazi protestors are exactly what the government wants to smear Randy Weaver. In an affiliated article carried in the _Idaho Statesman_, about a dozen lawyers were among the 70 or so people packed into the courthouse. These lawyers were present to watch Gerry Spence in action, and to perhaps learn something from him. Some tidbits: Spence flatly told the jurors that he and his son Kent were volunteering their time to represent Weaver because they believed in him. Spence, during his 90-minute opening statement, repeatedly walked behind Weaver and placed his hands on the defendants shoulders (Weaver broke down and cried during the recounting of his wife's death), and Spence compared the ""sawed off"" shotgun to driving 56 mph when the limit was 55 (another good one!). Today (Thursday, April 15th) the prosecution was scheduled to begin presenting evidence. Drew ============================================================= -- ************************************************************** * Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * * Senior Customer Engineer * * Intergraph Electronics * * 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * * Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * ************************************************************** " 9838,14,"From: Chris W. Johnson Subject: Re: New DC-x gif Organization: University of Texas at Austin Computation Center Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:42:41 GMT In article Andy Cohen, Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com writes: > I just uploaded ""DCXart2.GIF"" to bongo.cc.utexas.edu...after Chris Johnson > moves it, it'll probably be in pub/delta-clipper. Thanks again Andy. The image is in pub/delta-clipper now. The name has been changed to ""dcx-artists-concept.gif"" in the spirit of verboseness. :-) ----Chris Chris W. Johnson Internet: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu UUCP: {husc6|uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!chrisj CompuServe: >INTERNET:chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu AppleLink: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu@internet# ...wishing the Delta Clipper team success in the upcoming DC-X flight tests. " 9839,2,"From: yuting@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Eugene Y. Kuo) Subject: Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 8 Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200 printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version. Thanks very much, please email. " 9840,8,"From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List Organization: Why do you suspect that? Lines: 22 In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes: > Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers! >I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in >talking Bikes! We discuss anything and everything. If you are interested in >joining, drop me a line. Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you >have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone. C'mon...join >and enjoy! On second thought, maybe he didn't invent wreck.moto - he's trying a round about way to figure out the DoD theme song. One FAQ, coming right up! Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85 o--------------------------------------------------------------o There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, followed by the words ""Daddy! Why am I locked outside?"" o--------------------------------------------------------------o " 9841,2,"From: kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 23 wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: > Hey, > could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse > in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use > MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any > routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. > Thanks for your efforts, > Oliver >-- > NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart > PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 > FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 > EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded to use the mouse in Windows. " 9842,4,"Subject: ** Need Advice ** (about Tech Works etc.) From: choo@ecs.umass.edu Lines: 19 Greetings!! I planning to upgrade my Mac IIsi: (1) from the present 5Megs to 17Megs; and (2) add a Math-Coprocessor. Technology Works, of Austin (Texas) comes quite highly recommended by some Mac magazines. I was just wonderring if anyone could share with me anything about Tech Works (both good and bad experiences); or give any advice about other mail-order companies that I may consider. Your reply would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely Peter Choo choo@sigma.ecs.umass.edu " 9843,3,"From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 28 bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: {> {> SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 controller chip; also called SCSI-2 (8-bit)}: 4-6MB/s with {> 10MB/s burst. This is advertised as SCSI-2 in BYTE 4/93:159 FOR the {> PC and AT THESE SPEEDS.{NOT the Mac, the PC.} {> I have been following this mess for a while. excuse my need for clarification. Iam thinking seriously IDE vs. SCSI and this thread could not have come at a better time. the above quote SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 controller chip} are we talking about a SCSI-1 device (e.g. HD) on a SCSI-2 Controller or are we talking about a SCSI-1 Controller that had a chip upgrade using the same chip that is on a SCSI-2 controller board. thanks -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 9844,4,"From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi Nntp-Posting-Host: zephyr.aem.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 5 Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$. I think that was the cheapest I ever saw. Peter " 9845,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 30 In article healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: (Deletion) >You also said,""Why did millions suffer for what Adam and Ee did? Seems a >pretty sick way of going about creating a universe..."" > >I'm gonna respond by giving a small theology lesson--forgive me, I used >to be a theology major. >First of all, I believe that this planet is involved in a cosmic struggle-- >""the Great Controversy betweed Christ and Satan"" (i borrowed a book title). >God has to consider the interests of the entire universe when making >decisions. (Deletion) An universe it has created. By the way, can you tell me why it is less tyrannic to let one of one's own creatures do what it likes to others? By your definitions, your god has created Satan with full knowledge what would happen - including every choice of Satan. Can you explain us what Free Will is, and how it goes along with omniscience? Didn't your god know everything that would happen even before it created the world? Why is it concerned about being a tyrant when noone would care if everything was fine for them? That the whole idea comes from the possibility to abuse power, something your god introduced according to your description? By the way, are you sure that you have read the FAQ? Especially the part about preaching? Benedikt " 9846,9,"From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) Subject: Re: Grateful Dead? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: bullpen.csd.sgi.com In article <93095.172834IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes: >Being a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band I was >wondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the Dead (or members >of) sang the national anthem at todays Giant opener? > >I would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know, but >an answer would be greatly appreciated. > It is my understanding that the Dead will sing the NA at the Giants home opener on Mon. 4/12. The Giants are opening today in St. Louis. luigi -- Randy Palermo luigi@csd.sgi.com Fax: (415)961-6502 Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039 ""Play an accordion, go to jail. That's the LAW"" " 9847,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 5 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in >the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more? Which is to say: is the NSA -totally- perfidious, or does it at least have the redeeming virtue of taking care of its own? " 9848,8,"From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: AT&T Summary: Subtlety, subtlety Lines: 12 In article , craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes: > No anyone who is a ""true"" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a > wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless > they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low > to be acknowleged. I may not wave: I just wink at you with one eye. 'Course, it's hard to see that through a shield and sunglasses, but hey, if you're a ""true rider with the real riding attitude,"" you'll sense it. Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com " 9849,18,"From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Pendor, UnLtd. Lines: 35 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Comments: Originator: elf@halcyon.com In article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >Actually, I bet you more gay/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, >because more of them could have the ""option"" of living a straight life, and >with social pressures, probably would at least try. Geez, where have you been, Ryan? I proposed this theory *months* ago. Let's take it one step further, even. If, as the surveys show, up to 33% of all men have *had* a homosexual encounter, then there must be an even *larger* percentage of people who have had homosexual erotic fantasies. But if less than 10% of the population is gay, what can we say about these people who don't identify as gay but have demonstrated gay potential. Obviously, a large chunk of these people *chose* (or, more accurately, were forced to choose by force of religion and social sanction) to put those feelings aside, to be heterosexual. Obviously, Cramer and Kaldis fall into this category. These people are the ones who are so hung up on ""choice."" Obviously, since *they chose*, everyone must have, and homosexuals are just flaunting their ""perversion"" by choosing not to go along with what society has dictated. Of course, I'm that most awful of perverts. I chose, I gleefully admit that I was heterosexual until I met the right man and *chose* to indulge in my homoerotic potential. Take that! Elf !!! -- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) ""The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little pratice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog!"" - Bill Watterson's Calvin. " 9850,1,"From: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH Lines: 13 Distribution: world Reply-To: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) NNTP-Posting-Host: looney.lerc.nasa.gov Keywords: 3d studio 2.01 As I understand it, THe difference between 3D Studio 2.00 and 2.01 is mainly in the IPAS interface, along with a few small bug fixes. The IPAS code runs a lot faster in the newest version. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Chris Johnston (216) 433-5029 | | Materials Engineer (216) 433-5033 | | NASA Lewis Research Center Internet: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov | | 21000 Brookpark Rd MS 105-1 | | Cleveland, OH 4413 USA Resistance is futile! | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 9851,14,"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: Terraforming Venus: can it be done ""cheaply""? Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 9 Would someone please send me James Oberg's email address, if he has one and if someone reading this list knows it? I wanted to send him a comment on something in his terraforming book. Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu Potential explosive yield of the annual global production of borax: 5 million megatons " 9852,2,"From: mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) Subject: Re: Windows Help Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory Lines: 31 umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes: >Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help. >We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have >Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build >a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? >Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an >on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, >would you help to point out what I would need to do it? >-- >Vincent Q. Yin >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca Hi, If you have developed your own windows application you must have a SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files. RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W. If this is not the solution be more specific about your application. Mario -- Mario Veraart TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl The Hague The Netherlands ""If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, and don't talk about performance"", David Bailey " 9853,14,"From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) Subject: Re: pushing the envelope Organization: University of Central Florida Distribution: na Lines: 18 > In <1993Apr3.233154.7045@Princeton.EDU> lije@cognito.Princeton.EDU (Elijah Millgram) writes: > > > A friend of mine and I were wondering where the expression ""pushing > the envelope"" comes from. Anyone out there know? > Everbody has been defining envelope. Why was the world ""envelope"" chosen, rather than say ""shell"", or ""boundary"". In analogy with the envelopes of airships perhaps? Actually, ""shell"" might be good. Push the shell too hard and it (the aircraft?) breaks. -- Thomas Clarke Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL 12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826 (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu " 9854,6,"From: disham@cymbal.calpoly.edu (David Isham) Subject: Cobra 146GTL SSB/CB FOR SALE! Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 13 Well, I have it forsale again (the last deal didn't work out) and I lowered the price again! Cobra 146 GTL Single side band w/mike --> $75 or best offer! dave --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cal Poly, Life, Liberty, and the SLO, CA 93401 Pursuit of Land Speed Records. -Autobahn Commuters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 9855,10,"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) Subject: Pens box score 4/14 Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 44 Pens-6 NJ Devils-6 FIRST PERIOD: SCORING: 1, Pittsburgh, Daniels(Needham, Tippett)4:14. 2, NJ Devils, C. Lemieux(Semak, Driver)10:19. 3, Pittsburgh, Stevens (Tocchet, Murphy)12:40ppg. 4, NJ Devils, Zelepukin(Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26. PENALTIES: PGH, Stevens(roughing)1:30. NJD, Pellerin-double minor(cross-checking)1:30. NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)7:21. NJD, Stasny(holding)11:15. PGH, Taglianetti(roughing)13:51. NJD, Lemieux (roughing)13:51. PGH, Jagr(tripping)15:23. SECOND PERIOD: SCORING: 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux(Murphy, Tocchet)1:42. 6, NJ Devils, Semak(Lemieux, Zelepukin)2:27. 7, Pittsburgh, McEachern (Jagr, Barrasso)4:24. 8, NJD, Stevens(Guerin, Pellerin)5:45. 9, Pittsburgh, Lemieux(unassisted)12:40shg. 10, NJ Devils, Richer (Nicholls)15:53. 11, NJ Devils, Lemieux(Zelepukin)17:40. PENALTIES: PGH, Stevens(roughing)3:06. NJD, McKay(roughing)3:06. PGH, Mullen (hooking)10:42. PGH, Tocchet(roughing)12:06. NJD, Stevens(slashing) 12:06. NJD, Lemieux(unsportsmanlike conduct)12:40. PGH, U. Samuelsson(cross checking)20:00. PGH, Barrasso-double minor(spearing) served by McEachern, 20:00. NJD, Holik(cross checking)20:00. NJD, Lemieux(roughing)20:00. THIRD PERIOD: SCORING: 12, Pittsburgh, Mullen(Jagr, Lemieux)18:54. PENALTIES: NJD, Daneyko(interference)3:37. PGH, Stevens(roughing) 9:18. NJD, Holik(roughing)9:18. PGH, match penalty-game misconduct,9:50. NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)12:01. PGH, Stevens(roughing)18:41. NJD, Daneyko(roughing)18:41. OVERTIME: SCORING: No scoring. PENALTIES: No penalties. SHOTS ON GOAL: Pittsburgh: 9-11-8-2=30 NJ Devils: 12-15-9-3=39 GOALIES: Barrasso(39 shots, 33 saves. 43-14-5) Billington(30 shots, 24 saves) REF: Devorski Linesmen: Gauthier, Vines Lori Contact for the Penguins lli+@cs.cmu.edu " 9856,4,"From: ab220@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Dozois) Subject: Re: PowerBook Batteries Reply-To: ab220@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Dozois) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 20 In a previous article, gil@cc.gatech.edu (Gil Neiger) says: >I have a few questions about PowerBook batteries, specifically, >the NiCad batteries I have for my PB170. > >2. Can the PowerBook run without any battery if the charger is >plugged in? No problems. -- Michel Dozois - Gloucester, Ontario, Canada - ab220@freenet.carleton.ca - Membre du Club de cerf-volant de l'Outaouais {OVKC} - Membre du National Capital Macintosh Club {NCMC} - Membre du Jungle BBS {un babillard Macintosh} " 9857,8,"Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute From: Mike Mychalkiw Subject: Re: Cobra Locks Distribution: usa Lines: 33 Greetings netters, Steve writes ... Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1"" diameter. This was a special order. I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder after about two blocks. I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a post in an underground parking garage. Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on me bike. When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home. By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much and the inner tubes were free. Later. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1992 FXSTC Rock 'N Roll Mike Mychalkiw HOG Ryerson Polytechnical Institute - DoD #665 Just THIS side of HELL. Academic Computing Information Centre doh #0000000667 Just the OTHER side. EMAIL : ACAD8059@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA " 9858,3,"From: s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 16 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tut.fi In <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes: >I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain >why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. I think it's simply because DOS doesn't use the IRQ for anything. OS/2 does, so with that you can't share the IRQ. Anssi -- Anssi Saari s106275@ee.tut.fi Tampere University of Technology Finland, Europe " 9859,4,"From: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu Originator: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu In article , bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes: > In article , ""Donpaul C. Stephens"" > wrote: > > > > What is the difference? > > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May > > > > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only > > what is the best? > > Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed. > As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS) > You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions. > It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other > manufacturer > > Christian Bauer > > bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models. - Chung Yang " 9860,2,"From: carter@photon.cem.msu.edu (Tom Carter ) Subject: Re: WinQVT/Net V3.4? Organization: Michigan State University, Chemistry Department, E. Lansing, MI Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: exciton.cem.msu.edu In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: >In article <354@lorien.OCF.LLNL.GOV> dave@angmar.llnl.gov (Dave Fuess) writes: > >>An earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to >>WinQVT/Net version 3.4. Realy? Where? I tried archie >>with no luck. It's probably just a typo. > >Not a typo. It was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu a couple days back. > >>But I sure would like to get one if it's real as I too >>have a printer problem in WinQVT. > >Version 3.4 uses standard Windows printer drivers. > >Ashok > It's still in the pub/pc/win3/uploads directory as qvtnet34.zip. NOTE: NEW EMAIL ADDRESS! =========================================================================== | Tom Carter | carter@photon.cem.msu.edu | | Michigan State University | carter@msucem.bitnet | | Chemistry Department | | =========================================================================== " 9861,13,"From: billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen) Subject: RE: alt.psychoactives Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcspe17.col.hp.com FYI...I just posted this on alt.psychoactives as a response to what the group is for...... A note to the users of alt.psychoactives.... This group was originally a takeoff from sci.med. The reason for the formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive drugs....such as antidepressents(tri-cyclics, Prozac, Lithium,etc), antipsychotics(Melleral(sp?), etc), OCD drugs(Anafranil, etc), and so on and so forth. It didn't take long for this group to degenerate into a psudo alt.drugs atmosphere. That's to bad, for most of the serious folks that wanted to start this group in the first place have left and gone back to sci.med, where you have to cypher through hundreds of unrelated articles to find psychoactive data. It was also to discuss real-life experiences and side effects of the above mentioned. Oh well, I had unsubscribed to this group for some time, and I decided to check it today to see if anything had changed....nope....same old nine or ten crap articles that this group was never intended for. I think it is very hard to have a meaningfull group without it being moderated...too bad. Oh well, obviously, no one really cares. Bill Claussen Would anyone be interested in starting a similar moderated group? Bill Claussen " 9862,14,From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Portuguese Launch Complex (was:*Doppelganger*) Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > Portugese launch complex were *wonderful Portuguese launch complex??? Gosh.... Polish are for American in the same way as Portuguese are for Brazilians (I am from Brazil). There is a joke about the Portuguese Space Agency that wanted to send a Portuguese astronaut to the surface of the Sun (if there is such a thing). How did they solve all problems of sending a man to the surface of the Sun??? Simple... their astronauts travelled during the night... C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon 9863,5,"From: marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) Subject: NCSA Mosaic for X 1.0 available. X-Md4-Signature: b912a4b59c6065f2e86a15751149a3f2 Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications Lines: 79 Version 1.0 of NCSA Mosaic for the X Window System, a networked information systems and World Wide Web browser, is hereby released: file://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/xmosaic-source/xmosaic-1.0.tar.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sun.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sgi.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-ibm.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-dec.Z .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-alpha.Z .../xmosaic-diffs/xmosaic-0.13-1.0-diffs.Z NCSA Mosaic provides a consistent and easy-to-use hypermedia-based interface into a wide variety of networked information sources, including Gopher, WAIS, World Wide Web, NNTP/Usenet news, Techinfo, FTP, local filesystems, Archie, finger, Hyper-G, HyTelnet, TeXinfo, telnet, tn3270, and more. This release of NCSA Mosaic is known to compile on the following platforms: SGI (IRIX 4.0.2) IBM (AIX 3.2) Sun 4 (SunOS 4.1.3 with stock X11R4 and Motif 1.1, and GCC). DEC Ultrix. DEC Alpha AXP (OSF/1). Documentation is available online. Changes since 0.13 include: o Added new resource, gethostbynameIsEvil, for Sun's that coredump when gethostbyname() is called to try to find out what their own names are. (Command-line flag is -ghbnie.) o Explicitly pop down all dialog boxes when document view window is closed, for window managers too dull to do so themselves. o Better visited anchor color for non-SGI's. o Added .hqx and .uu to list of file extensions handled like .tar files. o Added 'Clear' button to Open box, to allow more convenient cut-n-paste entries of URL's. o New resource 'autoPlaceWindows'; if set to False, new document view windows will not be automatically positioned by the program itself (but it's still up to your window manager just how they're placed). o Command-line flags -i and -iconic now have desired effect (new resource initialWindowIconic can also be used). o Gif-reading code is a little more bulletproof. o Obscure infinite loop triggered by extra space in IMG tag fixed. o Eliminated nonintuitive error message when image can't be read (inlined NCSA bitmap is indication enough that something's not right for authors, and readers can't do anything about bad images in any case). o Obscure parsing bug (for constructs like

text
) fixed. o Fixed mysterious stupid coredump that only hits Suns. o Fixed stupid coredump on URL's like '://cbl.leeds.ac.uk/'. o Fixed buglet in handling rlogin URL's. o New support for Solaris/SYSVR4 (courtesy dana@thumper.bellcore.com). o Better support for HP-UX 8.x and 9.x (courtesy johns@hpwarf.wal.hp.com). o Better support for NeXT (courtesy scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk). o Some miscellaneous portability fixes (courtesy bingle@cs.purdue.edu). o Miscellaneous bug fixes and cleanups. Comments, questions, and bug reports should be sent to mosaic-x@ncsa.uiuc.edu. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide. Cheers, Marc -- -- Marc Andreessen Software Development Group National Center for Supercomputing Applications marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu " 9864,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver! Proverbs 16:16 " 9865,0,"From: jen187@its.CSIRO.AU (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Organization: CSIRO ITS Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: |> |> That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother |> raised the child. |> |> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", |> because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. |> Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my |> point. |> |> But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men |> stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by |> feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact |> that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but |> mentally also. |> Bobby, there's a question here that I just HAVE to ask. If all of your posts aren't some sort of extended, elaborate hoax, why are you trying so hard to convince the entire civilised world that you're feeble minded? You have a talent for saying the most absurd things. Here's a little sign for you, print it, cut it out and put it on top of your computer/terminal. ENGAGE BRAIN PRIOR TO OPERATING KEYBOARD (Having said all that, I must admit we all get a laugh from your stuff.) -- | Graham Jenkins | graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au | | CSIRO | (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | | Canberra, AUSTRALIA | Research Organisation) | " 9866,9,"From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) Subject: Rockies opening day cast Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 34 Here is the Colorado Rockies openning day cast: Pitchers -------- Scott Aldred (L) MLB Totals 31 games, 6-14, 5.08 ERA, 0 saves Andy Ashby (R) 18 games, 2-8, 6.72 ERA, 0 saves Willie Blair (R) 67 games, 10-15,4.57 ERA, 0 saves Butch Henry (L) 28 games, 6-9, 4.02 ERA, 0 saves Darren Holmes (R) 95 games, 5-9, 4.10 ERA, 9 saves David Neid (R) 6 games, 3-0, 1.17 ERA, 0 saves Jeff Parrett (R) 341 games, 46-30,3.65 ERA,21 saves Steve Reed (R) 18 games, 1-0, 2.30 ERA, 0 saves Bruce Ruffin (L) 223 games, 43-64,4.31 ERA, 3 saves Bryn Smith (R) 354 games,106-90,3.44 ERA, 6 saves Gary Wayne (L) 147 games, 8-8, 3.44 ERA, 3 saves The rest -------- Joe Girardi (C) 304 games, .262, 3 HR, 70 RBI, 10 SB Danny Sheaffer (C) 32 games, .110, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 0 SB Freddie Benavides (SS) 98 games, .246, 1 HR, 20 RBI, 1 SB Vinny Castilla (SS) 21 games, .238, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0 SB Andres Galarraga (1B) 942 games, .267,116HR,472 RBI, 59 SB Charlie Hayes (3B) 530 games, .250,48 HR,219 RBI, 13 SB Jim Tatum (3B) 5 games, .125, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB Eric Young (2B) 49 games, .258, 1 HR, 11 RBI, 6 SB Dante Bichette (OF) 424 games, .254,38 HR,176 RBI, 40 SB Daryl Boston (OF) 882 games, .250,65 HR,224 RBI, 97 SB Jerald Clark (OF) 339 games, .237,28 HR,126 RBI, 5 SB Alex Cole (OF) 290 games, .283, 0 HR, 49 RBI, 83 SB Gerald Young (OF) 605 games, .246, 3 HR,109 RBI,153 SB Dale Murphy (OF) 15 seasons, .266, 398 HR, 1259 RBI " 9867,3,"From: mac1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) Subject: Can I have 2 printers on a PC LAN ?????????????? Summary: 2 printers Keywords: 2 printers Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 15 I have recently plunged into PC World. I have been using Amigas before. Trying to establish a network (LAN) here that could use 2 different printers. Panasonic KXP2124 for printing receipts and Okidata OL400 for letters etc. Is it at all possible in this world ? I know when using Unix etc I can specify which printer to print from. But I am not sure how PCs would handle that. If they can't then I guess I'll leave PeeeCeees for good and move on to Unix. Mubashir Cheema Sparco Communications Ph: (601) 323-5360 LaGalarie Fax:(601) 324-6433 500 Russell Street, Suite 20 email: mac1@ra.msstate.edu Starkville, MS 39759 " 9868,3,"From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu In-reply-to: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com's message of 20 Apr 93 15:56:06 GMT In article zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman) writes: Has anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz. How does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display? I'm interested in the new ViewSonic 17 as well. Has anyone seen one of these monitors in the flesh? - Tony " 9869,3,"From: s872505@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Stephen Bokor) Subject: Re: A: DRIVE WON'T BOOT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) writes: >Hi! >I recently switched my 3.5"" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and >write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:. >I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot >Order A:,C:. >Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a >message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work. >When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens: >1) Power-on and Memory Test; >2) A: light comes on >3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep; >4) HD light comes on for an instant; >5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens >The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen >blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del. >Any suggestions. Have you checked: 1/ The setting of drive A: to 1.44 M floppy. 2/ The setting of drive B: to 1.2 M foppy. 3/ The cable connecting the two drives to the controller card (I can't remember which two wires are swapped, but they determine which is drive A: & b:). I hope this is of some help :-) Steve s872505@minyos.xx.oz.au " 9870,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.123433.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1r96hb$kbi@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >>In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >>> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed >>> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. >>=== >>I aint talking the large or even the ""mining companies"" I am talking the small >>miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The >>people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do >>mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point). > > > Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living > rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are > many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not > often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit > of environmental damage. > > These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was > uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change > people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off > the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their > job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term > federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness. > > pat > Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth? Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy). Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE: Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into). There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and socialist in the same breath. The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 9871,12,"From: sciamanda@edinboro.edu Subject: Re: Outdoor FM Antennas Organization: Edinboro University of PA Lines: 25 In article , beerb@ccmail.dayton.saic.com (Bradlee Beer) writes: > I'm interested in buying or building an omnidirectional antenna for the > commercial FM band (88-108MHz). The commonly sold ones are a folded dipole > bent in an ""S"" shape; and one with a pair of crossed dipoles. I don't see > either of these designs as exhibiting any gain, and they probably aren't > truely omnidirectional. > > > I'm intrigued by the discone antenna. Does anyone have detailed information > on how to design one for the FM band (with 75-ohm impedence)?? Is one > commercially available?? Are there other designs that have GAIN?? > > I already own a 10-element FM yagi. It works great, but requires frequent > rotation for those distant stations. > > Brad Beer, 4414 Castle Gate Drive, Beavercreek, OH 45432-1814 Brad, For an antenna, gain is synonymous with directionality. The only way to get gain (>1) out of an antenna is to design in directionality. The ""gain"" of an antenna is defined as the signal increase (for a preferred direction) over the signal obtained by an isotropic antenna. Bob Sciamanda Edinboro Univ of PA " 9872,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr14.175931.66210@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: >> (BTW - Which parts should be secure? Criminal >> records, ie convictions, are typically considered public information, >> so should that info be secure? Remember, the population includes >> parents checking prospective childcare worker.) > > Like I said, I'm not sure of the details. But it seems to me that you >could access medical information without giving out a name, or any other >information. Medical info without a name/body attached is completely useless for treatment. >The article I mentioned the the earlier post described a debit >card type transaction in which neither the store nor the BANK, knew who was >withdrawing the money. Thus making it as secure as cash, for some purposes, but far less secure for others. > Parent's checking a babysitter shouldn't need access to the information >stored in the card. Sure they do. The prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting kids three or four months into the job. The references may not have known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet. Remember, criminal conviction info is public, so if you're going to argue for an ID card, other people are going to have a strong argument that it disclose public info. >things. I think anything that you choose to keep unknown should be. Thus making it useless for negative information. >could have it so that only doctors can access medical information, police >criminal records etc etc. Yeah right. How are you going to keep doctors from spilling the beans? (We already know that you can't keep cops from disclosing info, but at least that info is typically supposed to be public anyway.) > Like I said, it's best if you read the article for yourself. The article discusses technology, not appropriate policy. It also fails to deal with ""what happens if the folks with the secrets blab"". -andy -- " 9873,4,"From: bts@rock.concert.net (Bruce T Smith -- Personal Account) Subject: Disappearing hard drive in LC? Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX Lines: 31 The internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to hear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened. It is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system 7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated chain. I had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes have thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking question mark. I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed okay, but there was no sign of the internal. I installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot from it. I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire about the internal drive. They either could not find it or got errors in trying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it is a Quantum... ) Well, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work. But, at some point I noticed that the internal had reappeared. Now, Disk First Aid says that all's well, etc. Things seem to be fine. But, what happened? Was this a warning that something (the internal HD or something else) is about to die? I'm definitely nervous. And, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I can only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC? Some folks have claimed there's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and that includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay. Thanks for answers. " 9874,2,"From: russ@deakin.OZ.AU (Russ Sharp) Subject: Character missing in TTF Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.eng.deakin.oz.au Word 2.0c doesn't show the period-centred character to indicate spaces if I use the TTFonts from CorelDraw. Our editors need to be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character displayed is a large hollow box. They overlap each other and characters on each side, which is useless. I believe the character used by W4W is the period-centred (0183). This character shows up with the windows Charmap display as the hollow box which tends to confirm this. I have edited the corel font with Fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183 character makes no difference to the font output in Charmap or W4W. Altering the paragraph (0182) or cedilla (0184) does alter their font graphics displayed however!! Is the W4W character used to indicate spaces the period-centred character? Has anyone been able to get this character displayed from a CorelDraw TTF? -- ____ Russ Sharp russ@deakin.edu.au ph (052)27 1141 fax (052)27 2015 \ / Deakin University, School of Engineering & Technology, Geelong, Australia \/ " 9875,2,"From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH. Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or >sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files. You can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows programs. >The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini, >system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited. Is it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ???? >Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu) > -- |E-mail --> un*x: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |vms: andys@psc.plymouth.edu | |Disclaimer > Any ""end-user"" software that provides NO avenue for user | |of the week> modification or programmability is NOT user friendly. | " 9876,17,"From: tsif@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael Tsifansky) Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Reply-To: tsif@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 30 In article hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: > > steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: > |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it > |> take to kill a 5 year old native child? > |> > |> A: Four > |> > |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, > |> and one writes up a false report. > |> > |> -- > >Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ? Probably not--he's just singing someone else's opera. He's good, too; perhaps he should get ""The Best Supporting Singer..."" I can give you a Q/A account that is well documented (just go back and reread some of the articles that appeared after this ""joke""): Q: How many antisemites does it take to come up with another anti-Israeli provocation on the net? A: Just one. He'll fabricate a lie, and many more will applaud I would much prefer if Mr. Steel would refrain from this kind of jokes in the future. They're not just offensive. They also have a very negative effect on the state of things between Jews and Arabs. So thanks for nothing, clown! Mike. " 9877,4,"From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Organization: UC San Diego Chemistry Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu Thanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo sound. Too bad some developers aren't addressing the problem. This did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced it with in one way though! :) Thanks, Doug " 9878,2,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Summary: PageOverCommit=factor Organization: AT&T Lines: 50 In article <93059@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) writes: ... >more on permenent swap files... > >i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk >has seen the message ""you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested >size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this >swap file anyway"" or something like that. > >well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. >what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and >divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block >of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. > >They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows >uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he >said! > >I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is >available to me if it's not going to use it? I think the support droid was malfunctioning and confused the disk space limit with the virtual address space limit. As far as the disk is concerned, you are limited only by the amount of contiguous free space. The limit that causes the message, ""Windows will only use ...,"" is the amount of virtual address space that the Virtual Memory Manager will create, and this is a function of the amount of free memory that you have when Windows starts. In the [386enh] section of SYSTEM.INI, you can specify a parameter: PageOverCommit=multiplier The following description is from the Windows Resource Kit: This entry specifies the multiplier what determines the amount of linear address space the VMM will create for the system, which is computed by rounding up the amount of available physical memory to the nearest 4 MB and then multiplying that value by the value specified for PageOverCommit=. Increasing this value increases the amount of available linear address space, causing the size of data structures to increase. This also increases paging activity proportionately and can slow down the system. You can specify a value between 1 and 20. The default is 4. To change this entry, you must edit SYSTEM.INI. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 9879,12,"From: bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance) Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report Distribution: usa Organization: (N.) To be organized. But that's not important right now..... Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote: : My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was : wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to : construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember seeing : the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good : electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were. : Thank you in advance. : Dean W. Anneser Pratt & Whitney Aircraft : Computer System Specialist m.s. 161-05 \__ -\ : (203)565-9372 (desk) 5016 (fax) 400 Main St. Ooo.. (_)-V/( ) : Uucp: uunet!pwa-b!anneser East Hartford, CT 06108 Live to Ride : Internet: anneser@pwfire.pweh.utc.com : ""One test result is worth one thousand expert opinions"" -- Wernher Von Braun : -- : Dean W. Anneser Pratt & Whitney Aircraft : Computer System Specialist m.s. 161-05 \__ -\ : (203)565-9372 (desk) 5016 (fax) 400 Main St. Ooo.. (_)-V/( ) : Uucp: uunet!pwa-b!anneser East Hartford, CT 06108 Live to Ride -- The simplest one is easy. Take a lemon or other citrus type fruit, and stick a pair of metal strips into it for the contacts. The two strips must be of disimelar metals like copper and zinc. Then connect a voltmeter to the contacts and read the voltage. bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance), Bothell, WA rwing!xpresso!bill You listen when I xpresso, I listen When uuxpresso.......:-) " 9880,14,"From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) Subject: Re: Venus Lander for Venus Conditions. Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 8 I doubt there are good prospects for a self armoring system for venus surface conditions (several hundred degrees, very high pressure of CO2, possibly sulfuric and nitric acids or oxides but it is a notion to consider for outer planets rs where you might pick up ices under less extream upper atmosphere conditions buying deeper penetration. A nice creative idea, unlikly but worthy of thinking about. " 9881,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Turkey Admits to Sending Arms to Azerbaijan/Turkish Pilot Caught Summary: Oh, yes...neutral Turkey Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 57 4/15/93 1242 Turkey sends light weapons as aid to Azerbaijan By SEVA ULMAN ANKARA, Turkey (UPI) -- Turkey is arming Azerbaijan with light weapons to help it fight Armenian forces in the struggle for the Nagorno- Karabakh enclave, the newspaper Hurriyet said Thursday. Deputy Prime Minister Erdal Inonu told reporters in Ankara that Turkey was responding positively to a request from Azerbaijan for assistance. ""We are giving a positive response to all requests"" from Azerbaijan, ""within the limits of our capabilities,"" he said. Foreign Ministry spokesman Vural Valkan declined to elaborate on the nature of the aid being sent to Azerbaijan, but said they were within the framework of the Council for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Hurriyet, published in Istanbul, said Turkey was sending light weapons to Azerbaijan, including rockets, rocket launchers and ammunition. Ankara began sending the hardware after a visit to Turkey last week by a high-ranking Azerbaijani official. Turkey has however ruled out, for the second time in one week, that it would intervene militarily in Azerbaijan. Wednesday, Inonu told reporters Ankara would not allow Azerbaijan to suffer defeat at the hands of the Armenians. ""We feel ourselves bound to help Azerbaijan, but I am not in a position right now to tell you what form (that) help may take in the future,"" he said. He said Turkish aid to Azerbaijan was continuing, ""and the whole world knows about it."" Prime Minister Suleyman Demirel reiterated that Turkey would not get militarily involved in the conflict. Foreign policy decisions could not be based on street-level excitement, he said. There was no immediate reaction in Ankara to regional reports, based on Armenian sources in Yerevan, saying Turkish pilots and other officers were captured when they were shot down flying Azerbaijani warplanes and helicopters. The newspaper Cumhuriyet said Turkish troops were digging in along the border with Armenia, but military sources denied reports based on claims by local people that gunfire was heard along the border. No military action has occurred, the sources said. The latest upsurge in fighting between the Armenians and Azerbaijanis flared early this month when Armenian forces seized the town of Kelbajar and later positioned themselves outside Fizuli, near the Iranian border. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 9882,15,"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 18 wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes: >Especially as we approach a time when Scientists are trying to match God's >ability to create life, we should use the utmost caution. I question the implications of this statement; namely, that there are certain physical acts which are limited to God and that attempting to replicate these acts is blasphemy against God. God caused a bush to burn without being consumed--if I do the same thing, am I usurping God's role? Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically removing the physical ""proofs"" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing. Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" Oakland University, Rochester, MI atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen Rushing in where angels fear to tread. " 9883,19,"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 53 In article , rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes... >In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >>|> >|> >>|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally >>|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic >>|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more >>|> objective sources and isnt even accepted by those who's messiah this creature >>|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many >>|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of >>|> guano... >> >> Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring >> to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if >> you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and >> well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, >> who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts >> are very much in harmony. > >Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the >Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical scholar I mean >an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let the >chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may otherwise be >defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. They are >not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others). > >Why an insert? Read it - I have, a number of times. The passage is glaringly >out of context, and Josephus, a superb writer, had no such problem elsewhere >in his work. The passage has *nothing* to do with the subject matter in which >it lies. It suddenly appears and then just as quickly disappears. I think this is a weak argument. The fact is, there are *two* references to Jesus in _Antiquities of the Jews_, one of which has unquestionably at least been altered by Christians. Origen wrote, in the third century, that Josephus did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, while the long passage says the opposite. There is an Arabic manuscript of _Antiquities of the Jews_ which contains a version of the passage which is much less gung-ho for Jesus and may be authentic. There is no question that Origen, in the third century, saw a reference to Jesus in Josephus. There are no manuscripts of _Antiquities_ which lack the references. It is possible that it was fabricated out of whole cloth and inserted, but I don't think it's very likely--nor do I think there is a consensus in the scholarly community that this is the case. (I know G.A. Wells takes this position, but that's because he takes the very small minority view that Jesus never existed. And he is a professor of German, not of biblical history or New Testament or anything directly relevant to the historicity of Jesus.) Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 " 9884,18,From: lynn@granitt.uio.no (Malcolm Lynn) Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? Lines: 2 Nntp-Posting-Host: pcgeo23.uio.no Organization: University of Oslo Lines: 3 this is a tesrt s 9885,15,From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 4 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. Romans 16:20 9886,6,"Subject: *** Text Books for sale [must sell]*** From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 22 I have several books which I really wish to sell. Calculus with Analytic Geometry by Howard Anton 3rd edition Chemistry by Zumdahl second edition. Acts of War-- the behavior of men in battle by Richard Holmes Observing the Nixon Years by Jonathan Schell The Things They carried by Tim O'Brien Shrapnel in the Heart-- Letters and remembrances from the Vietname Memorial by Laura Palmer The Good War-- an oral history of world war two by Studs Terkel Make me an offer, you could contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu Douglas Kou Hiram College " 9887,13,"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) Subject: Re: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK? Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses Article-I.D.: kestrel.1993Apr16.172052.27843 Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com In article <1993Apr16.063425.163999@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >I love the FAQ. > >The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining >correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is >this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well? > >Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of >only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to >95%? Why such a difference? In myopia the cornea is too curved. There is too much of a bulge in the center. In PRK the laser removes a small amount of material from the center. In RK the surgeon cuts incisions near the edge. They heal, and the scarring reshapes the cornea. Entirely different mechanisms, and the action is in a different place. -dk " 9888,16,"From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck) Subject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card) Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Lines: 61 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13 In article <93105.164406U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: > >All very true. I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends. >Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to >learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has. I was >looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the >safties on the guns were very different. The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot >more ""safe"" (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock. Of course >this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody. You >would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off. Personally I >like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool >(guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as >my first semi-auto because of the safety. I would prefer more training with >a ""traditional"" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion. > >Jason At the risk of starting the 'my gun is better than yours' flame war, I must disagree. There is no secret in handling a Glock. In fact, it is often chosen (besides its other merits) because it shoots like a revolver does basically. It can limit the training time (read budget $$$) due to the fact there are no 'external' safties other than the trigger, hence less training time required. Smith & Wesson (among other types) are chosen due to the fact taht they do have the external safties (hammer drop,as well as mag drop) which if properly used have saved many lives when 'Mr. Bad' snatched the gun from the officer and tried to shoot said officer the gun was on safe and would not fire. This point had been made in many articles in various gun magazines. If fact, one author (can't remember who) staged a little test where he had a revolver and a S&W on safe laying on a table and asked people with little firearms experience to on his signal, grab the gun and shoot a target. He timed the people using each gun. The revolver times were pretty close, but some of the times with the S&W were in minutes, or the person just gave up because they could not figure out the saftey. You don't often see Colt 45 autos issued due to the light trigger which can be accidentally fired in a stress situation, opening the issuing city,county, etc.. to lawsuits, bad press, etc.. Of course any problem can be overcome with enough training, but such training is not always available to budget crunched departments. I know if I were a Cop I would want something like a S&W just for the off chance of the gun getting taken away. The safety doesn't guarantee that 'Mr. Bad' won't figure it out and shoot me, but it could buy enough time to draw a second gun and shoot 'Mr. Bad' before it's too late. Don't think I am too biassed here just because I have had 3 Glocks in my possession at one time, because I have had a .45 as well. In fact, it was my first handgun. Remember, the ultimate 'safety' is YOU the operator, and no safety is going to stop an negligent discharge (note I don't say accidental) if you break the rules of gun handling. As per the part of being light weight and looking cool, I agree 100%. I wouldn't rule it out as a first purchase. -Just my $.02 + tax ------- Steve Syck syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu -------- " 9889,13,"Subject: good book From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) Distribution: world Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 48 Lines: 48 Having been gone for 10 days, I'm way behind on my News reading, so many pardons if I am repeating something that has been said already. I read a good book while I was away, THE ANTIBIOTIC PARADOX: HOW MIRACLE DRUGS ARE DESTROYING THE MIRACLE, Stuart B. Levy, M.D., 1992, Plenum Press, ISBN:0-306-44331-7. It is about drug resistant microorganisms & the history of antibiotics. It is interesting & written at a level which I think many sci.med readers would appreciate -- which is: it assumes an intelligent reader who is capable of understanding scientific concepts, but who may not yet have been exposed to this particular information. I.e., it assumes you are smart enough to understand it, but it does not assume that you already have a degree in microbiology or medicine. Table of contents: Chapter 1 From Tragedy the Antibiotic Age is Born Chapter 2 The Disease and the Cure: The Microscopic World of Bacteria and Antibiotics Chapter 3 Reliance on Medicine and Self-Medication: The Seeds of Antibiotic Misuse Chapter 4 Antibiotic Resistance: Microbial Adaptation and Evolution Chapter 5 The Antibiotic Myth Chapter 6 Antibiotics, Animals and the Resistance Gene Pool Chapter 7 Further Ecological Considerations: Antibiotic Use in Agriculture, Aquaculture, Pets, and Minor Animal Species Chapter 8 Future Prospects: New Advances Against Potential Disaster Chapter 9 The Individual and Antibiotic Resistance Chapter 10 Antibiotic Resistance: A Societal Issue at Local, National, and International Levels. Includes bibliography and index. I personally found that it made very good Airplane-Reading. -rg ------------------------ Ruth Ginzberg Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA " 9890,8,"From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) Subject: Electricty X-AltNet-ID: 222833 Lines: 30 Sigha. 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a ""slip-in"" bulb replacement)? 2) Was told by a guy at the bike shop that my ""not damn near bright enough"" incandescent beam might be caused by a perma-low battery. So I went and picked up this cheapo ""Motorcycle battery and charging system tester""... Hook it up to the battery, it's got 3 lights on ""Very good charge""... Start the engine (to test the charging system), and it doesn't even REGISTER. It's supposed to light 5 or 6 lights if everything is OK, but it stays down at the same point as just the battery. My question here is, if indeed my charging system is just plain messed up, how the HECK is the battery staying fully charged? I'd think it would be darned near dead from supporting my lights, etc... Do the '75 CB360T's have a problem with their charging system? Are they just generally slower charging than what is normal for bigger bikes? Is there an easy fix for this? 3) Happy noise: Put 300 miles on my bike this weekend, finally got myass an endorsement.... which is REALLY GOOD, because my cage just quit running worth a damn and I won't have money to repair it until the first... ;) And the weatherman says ""Bright and Sunny all week, 20% chance of rain on friday""... " 9891,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says: >I worked at AMORC when I was in HS. OK: So you were a naive teen. >He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's. Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909. But he was born LAST century (1883). > >Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil. No it isn't. " 9892,0,"From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Organization: University of Southern Queensland Lines: 42 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It I _know_ I shouldn't get involved, but... :-) [bit deleted] > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Righto, DAN, try this one with your Cornflakes... The book says that Muhammad was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a modern day Mad Mahdi) or he was actually who he said he was. Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing how his son-in-law made the sun stand still. Call me a fool, but I believe he did make the sun stand still. Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example anyone who is drawn to the Mad Mahdi is obviously a fool, logical people see this right away. Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the real thing. -- Ron House. USQ (house@helios.usq.edu.au) Toowoomba, Australia. " 9893,11,"From: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) Subject: re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: oldtown.larc.nasa.gov In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: >Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation... [etc] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\ Great... nice choice of bad guys to convince everyone how ""bad"" unrestricted encryption is. Why not use a child molester instead? Of course, the word *suspect* is never used here, so I guess these people have already been convicted and are operating this drug ring from their jail cells. How about *this* question instead? Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a political opponent of a senior administration official and intercepts a conversation... Kinda changes your interpretation of the event, doesn't it? And yes, the presence of the Clipper Chip DOES change things, because it will not only give the people talking on the phone a false sense of security, it will also give federal law enforcement agencies the justification to deny use of strong encryption methods that are inconvenient to them. Dang it all, it's SUPPOSED to be inconvenient (but not impossible). That's the ONLY sure way to make sure that abuses are minimized while still allowing legitimate law enforcement access. >Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure > how strong the security is? > >A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption > systems readily available today. While the algorithm will > remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow > system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of > cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all > potential users that there are no unrecognized > vulnerabilities. Uh huh... sure. I predict that within two months (weeks?) of the chip's debut, the full technical details will be posted to sci.crypt. And if this has ANY impact on the security of the key escrow system, then we've been lied to. Any cryptosystem worth its salt can withstand the light of public scrutiny, and there is NO WAY you can be sure that an algorithm has no ""unrecognized vulnerabilities"" unless you have half the world trying to break it for a decade or so. Even then, you gotta be careful. Michael T. Palmer | ""A man is crazy who writes a secret in any m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov | other way than one which will conceal it RIPEM key on server | from the vulgar."" - Roger Bacon, 1220-1292 " 9894,3,"From: ICH344@DJUKFA11.BITNET Subject: Wanted: Slot card with VGA + HDD-Contr. Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich Lines: 18 Hello, I am looking for a PC card with the following features: - Controller for IDE(AT-Bus)-HardDiskDrive - Controller for 2 FloppyDiskDrives - Standard(256KB) VGA Graphics INCLUDING FEATURE CONNECTOR (important!) =========================== There *are* some manufacturors/distributors of this kind of card, but I have not found them yet. If you can help me, please mail to: ICH344@DJUKFA11 ICH344@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de Thanks a lot, Martin Mueller " 9895,4,"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Distribution: usa Lines: 30 rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes ... >ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >>040 486 030 386 020 286 > >How about some numbers here? Some kind of benchmark? Benchmarks are for marketing dweebs and CPU envy. OK, if it will make you happy, the 486 is faster than the 040. BFD. Both architectures are nearing then end of their lifetimes. And especially with the x86 architecture: good riddance. >Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, >who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this >memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. The point being the processor speed is only one of many aspects of a computers performance. Clock speed, processor, memory speed, CPU architecture, I/O systems, even the application program all contribute to the overall system performance. >>And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock >>speed as is the 68030. > >Numbers? Look them up yourself. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche " 9896,9,"From: khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu (Kevin Hansen) Subject: Re: Scott Erickson Nntp-Posting-Host: x239-16.psych.umn.edu Organization: Minnesota Twin Family Study - Univerity of Minnesota Lines: 38 In article <12718@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: >Path: news1.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!concert!duke!news.duke.edu!bchm.biochem.duke.edu >From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) >Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball >Subject: Scott Erickson >Message-ID: <12718@news.duke.edu> >Date: 5 Apr 93 18:21:18 GMT >Sender: news@news.duke.edu >Organization: Biochemistry >Lines: 13 >Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu >USA Today reports that he may be going on the DL >(arm pains of an unspecified nature). > >Further news would be appreciated. > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu >""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" >Grafitti, Paris, 1968 > >TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) >-------------------------------------------------------- Erickson did go on the 15 day DL with a pulled muscle in his left side (near rib cage). He is on until 4/18/93. No news as to who the Twins will bring up. ---------------------------------------------- Kevin Hansen MN Twin Family Study - University of Minnesota (612)626-7224 khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu ---------------------------------------------- Contact: University of Minnesota Women's Basketball ""Theory guides, experiment decides"" - Izaak M. Kolthoff " 9897,13,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Asking the wrong question is the most fundamental error. Keywords: science errors Turpin Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 80 Avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable. However it is also widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity. And in ordinary life, perfectionism carried beyond a certain point is indicative of a psychological disorder. In the extreme case, a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave the house. In science, we want to discover as much truth about the world as possible and we also want to have as much certainty as possible about these discoveries. Usually there is some trade-off between these two desiderata --- the search for scope and the search for certainty. If 18th century mathematicians had demanded total rigor from Newton and Leibniz then there would probably be no calculus today, because neither of the two could explain calculus in a way that really made sense, since they lacked the concept of a limit. And in fact, because of the lack of a rigorous foundation, they made a number of errors in their use of calculus. It was only a hundred years later that Weistrass was able to give a solid grounding for the ideas of Newton and Leibniz. Nonetheless, what Newton and Leibniz did was undoubtedly science and mathematics gained a great deal more from the application of their important ideas than it lost through the mistakes they made. In article <1993Apr14.171230.16138@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: > [ Somebody writes: ] >>I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology. .... > .... >He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would distinguish a >universe in which special relativity holds from one in which it does not. > .... >Einstein played by the rules, which demand that hypotheses only be put out >there if there exists a specific experiment that could disprove them. These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and sci.psychology. According to these posters ""If it's not supported by carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."" Taken to the extreme, I believe that the attitude that empirical studies are everything and ideas are nothing results in a complete stultification of science. For one thing, an insistence on an elaborate and expensive methodology results in a sort of scientific trade-unionism, where those outside the establishment and lacking institutional or corporate support have no chance to obtain a hearing. (I don't in the least believe that this is the intention of the arbiters of scientific methodology. Nonetheless, it is one of the results.) And although institutional science has certainly produced many wonderful results, I think it is a foolish arrogance for scientists to believe that no one outside the establishment --- and using less than perfect empirical methodology --- will ever come with anything worthwhile. Furthermore, the big bucks approach to science promotes what I think is one of the most significant errors in science: choosing to investigate questions because they can be readily handled by the currently fashionable methodology (or because one can readily get institutional or corporate sponsorship for them) instead of directing attention to those questions which seem to have fundamental significance. For instance, certain questions cannot be easily investigated with statistical methods because the relevant factors are not quantitative. (One could argue that this is the case for almost all questions in many areas of psychology. In my opinion, a perusal of many of the papers resulting from the attempt by psychologists to force these questions into a statistical framework gives the lie to Russell Turpin's assertion that current scientific methods ""avoid all known errors."") I think that asking the wrong question is probably the most fundamental error in science. (Ignoring potentially valuable ideas is one of the others.) And I think that scientific journals are full of all too many studies done with impeccable empirical methods but which are worthless because the wrong question was asked in the first place. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet " 9898,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Question???? Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 12 In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes: >This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene >I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? This has to be a setup. Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 9899,17,"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS. ( was :Israel: misisipi to ganges) Originator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 26 In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: |> |> Hassan and some other seemed not to be a ware that Jews celebrating on |> these days Thje Passover holliday the holidy of going a way from the |> Nile. |> So if one let his imagination freely work it seemed beter to write |> that the Zionist drean is ""from the misisipi to the Nile "". the question is by going East or West from the misisipi. on either choice you would loose Palestine or Broklyn, N.Y. I thought you're gonna say fromn misisipi back to the misisipi ! |> By the way : |> |> What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ?? |> |> Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer. Let's say : "" let's establish the islamic state first"" or ""let's free our occupied lands first"". And then we can dream about expansion, Mr. Gideon hasan " 9900,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: IF ONLY HE KNEW Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 prudenti@juncol.juniata.edu wrote: : Upon arriving at home, Joseph probably took advantage of Mary...had his way : with her so to speak. Of course, word of this couldn't get around so Mary, : being the highly-religious follower that she was decided ""Hey, I'll just say : that GOD impregnated me...no one will ever know!"" : : Thus, seen as a trustworthy and honorable soul, she was believed... : : And then came Jesus, the child born from violence. : : : Dave, Can you explain the purpose of your post, I can't imagine what you must have thougt it meant. Bill " 9901,6,"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: Deal gone bad! What to do? Summary: small claims - you have to be there Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 24 rjkoppes@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Randy Koppes) writes: >Have you head of small claims. You may have to put money up >front for the filing fees, and then possibly having the local >sheriff of his/her city to deliver the bad news. In the end >the other party will end up paying for his/her mistake with >interest from the time of the filing to the pay date of the >defendent I think the problem with small claims court is that you have to go to the location of the person you're taking action against. It seems to me the time and money involved in travelling out there (unless this person is close to you) wouldn't be worth it for a small claim. It really depends on how much money you're out. If I am wrong about any of this, someone please correct me! ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 9902,3,"From: jpw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON PAUL WALTERS) Subject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 24 In article <113956@bu.edu>, nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes: >I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS >that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just >received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the >motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm >or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would >be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before. >Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks >Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu > Yes, You bought the WRONG SIMMS.....You need 1X36 or 4X36, which are 72 pin SIMMS.....These are better anyway becuase the send/receive data in 4byte (32bit+4bit parity, one for each byte) Chunks. You will undoubtedly see these SIMMS becoming more widely used in the near future. Jason -- **************************** * Jason Walters * * JPW0@LEHIGH.EDU * *JPW0@PL122.eecs.LEHIGH.EDU* * a.k.a. Modem Mouth * " 9903,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 14 In article <1r1ito$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> It's hard to know what/who to believe. However, the letter I received from >> the BATF, in response to one I sent to Bentsen, said that there was a search >> warrant AND an arrest warrant. > >Check again. You may find that the arrest warrant was issued AFTER the >first firefight. The letter implies that both warrants were issued before the Feb 28th shootout but doesn't say so exlicitly. ACK! don " 9904,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 18 In article <79727@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: >I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity >which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring >from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal >results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these >chemicals than other people. I don't remember any connection being made >with seizures, but it certainly couldn't hurt to try an all-natural diet. Yeah, the ""Feingold Diet"" is a load of crap. Children diagnosed with ADD who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and social skills, which in fact continue to decline. Of course, the parents who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their children's development. So much for the value of ""interesting anecdotal results"". People will believe anything if they want to. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 9905,2,From: chrisa@hpwarr.hp.com ( Chris Almy) Subject: Re: (?) SpeedSTAR VGA Card Win. Drivers Reply-To: chrisa@hpwarr.UUCP Keywords: VGA SpeedSTAR Drivers Video Card Lines: 6 These drivers (updated) are available directly from Diamond. they will even ship them to you at no charge.(at least they did for me.) 9906,6,"Subject: unix sale From: ""mike budlanski"" Reply-To: ""mike budlanski"" Distribution: misc Organization: Canada Remote Systems Lines: 24 ****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX**** FORSALE: ESIX UNIX System V Release 4 - NEW! 2 user license system - $400 Unlimited user license system - $450 2 user license system with dev kit - $500 Unlimited user license system with dev kit - $550 The above systems include all of the floppies or tapes and instalation manuals. They are new and have never been installed before. Market value for the above systems is about $1500 US! If you are interested, please contact me at 416-233-6038. Thanks, ...Mike mike.budlanski@canrem.com -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 9907,2,"From: bsteinke@es.com (Bruce Steinke) Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.90.30 Reply-To: bsteinke@es.com (Bruce Steinke) Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us>, lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes: |> |> (1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like |> to give them some individuality. |> |> (2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? |> I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I |> can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . I use PlugIn, an enhancement to Program Manager. It allows (1) for sure, I don't know on (2). Anyway, give it a try. I like it a lot and registered it right away It can be found at ftp.cica.indiana.edu [129.79.20.84] in /pub/pc/win3/util/plugin13.zip -Bruce -- Bruce F. Steinke | ""Never know when you're going to bsteinke@dsd.es.com | need a good piece of rope."" Software Technical Support Engineer | Sam Gamgee Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | " 9908,12,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Public-domain circuits in commercial applications Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr13.164924.2606@wuecl.wustl.edu> dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) writes: >Can circuits found in electronics magazines (with no patent disclaimer) >be used legally as subcircuits of a commercial unit ? There are two issues here: copyright and patent. The magazine article's contents are copyrighted, and may not be reproduced, translated, etc., without the copyright holder's permission. However, this does not cover the *ideas* expressed, only the form of expression. Copying their circuit diagram or PC-board pattern is copyright infringement. But it's unlikely that they could stretch copyright far enough to claim that the circuit design itself is copyrighted. So long as you draw your own diagrams and lay out your own boards, copyright shouldn't be an issue. Patents are different. The author does *not* have to give you any warning that the design is covered by patent (although it would be sensible for him to do so). In fact, it's possible that *he* was infringing on someone else's patent without realizing it. Ignorance of the patented status is not a defence against infringement, although it might reduce the damages a court would award. However... unless there was something seriously novel about the circuit, almost certainly it is ""obvious to one skilled in the art"" and therefore unpatentable. Routine engineering is not patentable; patents (in theory) cover only inventions, ideas that are genuinely new. Caution: I am not a lawyer. Consulting a professional would be wise if significant amounts of money are at stake. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 9909,4,"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210 Summary: very hard to get a modem Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34 jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes: >Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if >they want to go at least 9600 baud)? >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. If Apple didn't put out such a good product -- I'd gladly take my business to -- to -- the 8-bit Ataris. I think the situation with the Express modem is inexusable for any business. I've had mine on order since January. Apple finally called me last week -- to tell me that I should have it ""by the second week of May."" In the meantime, I've been stuck with my Duo210 without the connectability I needed it for. I'm sure there are plenty of people who can bite back at me, citing all sorts of reasons why Apple is right or at least justified, but I'm just a crabby consumer and when I order a ""Duo210 with modem"" that's the product I expect. Oh, well. It's not like it's limited to the computer biz. Remember when the Miata came out? What about those Cabbage Patch Dolls? Well, I want my toy! ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 9910,12,"From: jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf) Subject: Info: NEC70001AB Amp. IC & ~20W AMP secs & possible PSPICE models Keywords: Audio, AMPS Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 40 Hi, Being a Electronic Engineering Student with only Electronic II under my belt, I find myself *needing* to build a moderate wattage Audio Amp. So, I'll throw out a couple of question for the vast knowledge of the 'net'! Please Explain how Watts are calculated in Audio Amp circuits. No, Not P=I*E, Just how it relates to one of the following: Ai [Current Gain] Av [Voltage Gain] Ap [Power Gain] or whatever. I already have a ?wonderful? cheap I.E <$20 schematic for a 20W amp, but I would like to Cross/improve the circuit. The problem is that the parts list has IC1 and IC2 as NEC70001AB amplifiers. They look like ?11 pin? SIP packages with a heatsink. This schematic was published in a 1991 mag so it may be non-existant now. Anyway, I tried looking up a replacement in the latest Digi-key Cat and found it not listed 8(. The closes I could figure was a 9 pin SIP as TDA1520BU. Anyone got any Ideas? I thought, hey I can rin a PSPICE simulation using 741 opamp models. Yea, great! It worked. But, I guess the 741 wasn't made for High power amps. As a result, I got a Voltage gain of ~15mV/V. Worse than I started with 8(... Does anyone have a PSPICE CKT file with cheap yet good gain? How about some models for some of the chips listed in this E-mail? Any ASCII Chip info you guys can send me? I'm open to Suggestions/Ideas/Comments/Help! Please E-mail since I have little time to search the News... And I'll post if there's and interest! John -- ____________ _------_ |||IBM & | EE majors Do it Best 8-) --------\\ ] ~-______-~ |||Atari |~~~~~~~~~John D. Zitterkopf~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (~~~~~\\|_(__ ~~ / | \Rules!jdz1@ra.MsState.edu jdz1@MsState.bitnet \______| ( / | \ |AOL: zitt@aol.com jdz1@isis.MsState.edu " 9911,2,"From: carlos@carlos.jpr.com (Carlos Dominguez) Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Reply-To: carlos@carlos.jpr.com Organization: HELLDIVER USENET node, Brooklyn, New York, USA Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64) In <1993Apr15.180633.3437@trintex.uucp> charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () writes: >Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about >simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to >would be pirates? so when is PRODIGY going to open the doors for inetgate to accept internet mail eh? obviously if you can post news, mail should go through as well.. -- ___ ___ __ . ___ __ // Carlos Dominguez - SysAdmin / Kibbitzer / /__/ /_ ) / / / /_ // | carlos@carlos.jpr.com (__ ( / / \ (__ (__/ __/ .. | carlos@carlos.UUCP carlos!carlos (bang) " 9912,12,"From: mjhill@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL JAMES HILL) Subject: New applications of electronics Originator: mjhill@c00483-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: mjhill@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL JAMES HILL) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 8 I'm looking for brief information on new applications of electronics (or new electronics in applications.) If you know of any interesting new stuff, I would be intrested in hearing about it. Thanks, MJH " 9913,15,"From: jerryb@eskimo.com (Jerry Kaufman) Subject: Re: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Lines: 11 Cloak yourself in God's sustaining and abiding love. Pray, pray, pray. Pray for your brother, that he will assume the Godly role that is his. Pray for your sister-in-law, the what ever is driving her to separate your brother and herself from the the rest of the family will be healed. Pray for God to give you the peace in the knowledge that you may not be able to 'fix' it. From your description it would appear that it will require devine intervention, and the realization by your brother as to what his responsibilities are. Seek Godly counsel from your pastor, or other spiritually mature believer. Know always that He is akways there as a conforter, and will give you wisdon and direction as you call on Him. " 9914,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: receiver system Keywords: telemetry, receiver system Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 22 One thing to consider is time division multiplexing the EMG channels to reduce the number of RF carriers you have to generate. If you multiplexed the EMG inputs at 10KHz, that would probably be sufficient for most physiology studies (you'd have ~ 330 Hz per channel sampling rate.) That level of analog multiplexing should be rather easy to accomplish. Combining a lot of RF carriers is pretty tricky to do without generating intermodulation. A system to be carried by a runner is in a fairly harsh environment and would probably be difficult to keep balanced. A commercial hand-held transciever could probably be employed with a little modification to accomodate widening the bandwidth. Obviously, this has to be done in accordance with whatever laws govern the use of transeivers in your location. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 9915,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Seeking Moe Berg reference/info Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance ""Squiddie"" Smith) writes: >In article <14APR93.19061416@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes: >>David Tate writes: >>>Also, in particular, a colleague of mine is looking for any information he >>>can find on Moe Berg, catcher/linguist/espion of WW2. Any references (or >>>anecdotes, for that matter) would be appreciated. >>Moe Berg, my hero! We were just talking about him on Monday at the >>Yankee game. Well, there's a book about him that's just been reissued: >>I think the title is _Moe Berg: Athlete, Scholar, Spy_, by Tom Sewell >>and two other people whose names I forget. Sewell wrote the chapter >>on Berg in Danny Peary's book _Cult Baseball Players_; this is a good >>source for some of the more famous anecdotes about Berg. Also excellent >>is the section on him in Bill Gilbert's book _They Also Served_, about >>baseball during WWII. I'm told Berg's spy activities are mentioned in >>the recent book _Heisenberg's War_. >His sister also ""wrote"" a book about Moe that she self-published. The >title is something like _My Brother, Morris Berg_. It's mainly some of >her memories and page after page of Xerox copies of pictures and letters >that Moe had saved. Copies are kinda hard to find, but the Smith Baseball >Library has one for those in Minneapolis... We have one here, at Berg's alma mater (class of 1923). It's kind of a sour thing; she disapproved of the job that Sewell et al had done. Roger " 9916,8,"From: small@tornado.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) Subject: Re: Here's to the assholes Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA Lines: 26 In article you rambled on about: )In article <9953@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> small@thunder.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) writes: )> Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my )> bike today. ) )Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next? ^^^^^^ If you're going to flame, learn to spell. )Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community. Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a stereotypical remark. How unsophisticated of you. I'm so sorry you had to come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously, lower level. Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and those who drive volvos) Remember ,send your flames to jrobbins@cs.ucla.edu -- I need what a formal education can not provide. --- DoD# 2024 " 9917,6,"From: harrij@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonathan Conrad Harriman) Subject: Top of the line JVC portable disc player for sale Summary: JVC portable disc player Keywords: JVC, jvc, portable cd player, cd, cd player Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu Lines: 29 I have used JVC's top of the line portable cd player for three months now. I have mostly used it in my car on long trips, so it has less than 20 hours of use on it. The unit is one of the best that I have seen and listened to, but I am going to part with it to install a disc changer in my car. Features include: 17 Hz - 20,000 Hz rechargeable nicad batteries wireless remote control AC adaptor headphones carrying belt and case digital 6 band graphic eq with spectrum analyzer 25 presets, 5 user programmable RCA connections and cord JVC compulink capability (cord included) programmable from remote intro, random, repeat playback I will include a Discwasher (tm) power converter to convert an automobile's 12v DC to the 5.5V DC that the unit requires. I had to buy this one because it was the only one that fits, (JVC makes a unique connection that cannot be found at Radio Shack etc). I paid $235 for the disc player and another $30 for the power converter. I will sell the disc player alone for $180, or both items for $190. Send replies to harrij@rpi.edu or (518)271-7942 -Jon " 9918,9,"From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes: >>>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes: >>> >>>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? >>> >>>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above >>>average year in the last 5. >> >>Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can >>count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a >>bad finish last year :-). >> >>(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said >>Morris was a better signing than Viola?) >> >>Cheers, >>-Valentine > >Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their >fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his >future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best >signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. > >Shawn > Gee, I never knew Valentine made a comment about how Viola signing with Boston was gonna bring a World Series title to Boston. I don't think Valentine ever said Boston will win this year. Boy, talk about sensitive, insecure Toronto fans. :) In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing. Why? Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does Toronto have? -Mike /mike@columbia.edu " 9919,18,"From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: The Armory Lines: 94 In article <1993Apr5.000007.27707@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbond@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mimi) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.n >u.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>In article <1pkmo9INNg7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.ed > >>(William December Starr) writes: >>> >>>And what difference does it make? If homosexuals should not be treated >>>as equals with heterosexuals in the eyes of the law then it doesn't >>>matter if they comprise an overwhelming majority of the population, and >>>if they should then it doesn't matter if, numerically, they're only an >>>infinitesimal minority, right? >>> >>And if it makes no difference, then shoving a false number down my throa > >>shouldn't be a high priority. After all, why should a minority group ne >d to >>inflate their numbers in order to justify the rights they claim they des >rve >>i.e. extra privileges they ask for? >> >>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> >> >>-- >>Douglas C. Meier | This Space for Rent >>Northwestern University, ACNS | >>This University is too Commie- | >>Lib Pinko to have these views. | dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu > > >You know, I have thought about the issue of if someone beats up a >homosexual, or a black person, etc., should the crime be specified >as something special. Shit, beating up anybody, regardless of race >and sexual orientation should be a very serious crime. If you >pick out those crimes which are committed against the opposite sex, >different race, or a different sexual orientation, is this a form >of favoring those groups over other groups. Hmm.. I mean, I think >that a crime committed against all people should be treated the >same. But, I know that there are many people out there who are >very prejudice against people who are different than they are. And >perhaps hate crimes laws are the only way to punish the bastards >appropriately. But, why should a person who commits a crime against >a wealthy protestant white by a wealthy protestant white be treated >on a lower level. Isn't this discrimination against the wealthy >white person. > >Hmm.. Any input out there? As a black person, I here about all >sorts of stories where fellow blacks are persecuted and beat up >because of their race. This really tears me up. But, a crime >against a white by a white should also be treated as a heinous >crime. > >Please respond. I would like to hear what other views are out ther. > >Ciao' >Mimi --------------------------- The federal government has used such laws to allow mutliple charges in order to prevent more crimes than would nromally occur just from two people being pissed off at each other. The federal government has an interest in the intent of the perpetrators in the pursuit of preventing violations of civil rights. It's the way they broke the back of the Klan, by putting a lot of people away for a very long time for harrassing blacks specifically. It is a principle that has been well recognized as constitutionally valid since over 100 years ago. It has been used whenever a select group was getting bashed or harrassed more than any other person would just for being part of a minority. It is the only way we made the defeat of the south stick after the Civil War. People who harrassed free blacks, when normally they wouldn't find themselves harrassing just anyone walking around were expeditiously tried and jailed for 5 to 8 years until nobody wanted to try it anymore. Now with the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law, the law can use multiple crime and severe penalty involving intent as much as is needed to protect even one human that is a hated minority to somebody. They can call out the national guard just for them, as they did the school girls in Alabama during desegregation in the 1950's, and the president can nationalize the state militia and turn the guns of the militia that were being used to bar blacks right around to point at the thousands in the crowd with an order to shoot that they would have to obey or face possible death by firing squad under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for failing to obey a direct order while under arms! And by god, they did! Those southern boys turned right around an fixed bayonets! And the governor was left standing and was arrested by the federal marshalls that had brought the order to nationalize the guard. And that's why we need such an ability in federal jurisdiction. -RSW -- * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * " 9920,5,"From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis) Subject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC and network Traffic Organization: AOTC - CSSC Lines: 71 Distribution: world Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: boyd.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au In article 1369@qdeck.com, support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) writes: >In article <1qtk84$rn5@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes: > >>What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find >>out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running >>DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response >>time. Anyone have any ideas ?? > >I expect the limiting factor will be your server machine, not the network >itself. To give you a real-world example, here at Quarterdeck we have >roughly 100 people using DVX to talk to a bunch of unix boxes, novell >file servers, and each other. It's not _too_ much of a load on our >Ethernet (with maybe 4 concentrators, so you have 20-30 people on each >segment). If you had a badly loaded net, or the apps you wanted to run >were very network intensive, you could run into some slowdowns. > >But the biggest problem would be the machine itself. Say you have a 486 >33 with plenty of ram and a fast hard disk and network card. If you have >10 people running programs off it, you're going to see some slowdowns >because you're now on (effectively) a 3.3 MHz 486. Of course, DVX will >attempt to see if tasks are idle and make sure they give up their time >slice, but if you have 10 working programs running, you'll know it. > Well I can buy a bigger and more powerful server machine because of the significant drop in price year after year. The link I want to use though (ISDN 64K) is costly and the bandwidth limited. That's why my interest lies in seeing if such a link can be used and see what traffic goes through it. >Having said that, if you can tweak the programs being run (by adding >in calls to give up time slices when idle and that sort of >thing), you could probably run 15-20 people on a given machine before >you started seeing slowdowns again (this time from network bandwidth). Hmmm. Has anyone at your centre monitored the traffic at all? Are you running any standard MS-Windows programs like Word ? What sort of packets go blazing through? What size link do you have (2Mb or 10Mb ?). What is the average traffic flow going through your network or do you have few high peaks and then many low points? >It all really depends on what the programs are doing (ie. you're going >to see a slowdown from X-bandwidth a lot sooner if your apps are all >doing network things also...) >-- What do you mean by network things? I vision using MS Windows and other Windows applications over the network were the processes are running on the server and all I am getting are the displays. I am wondering how good is the X and subsequently DV/X protocol in transferring these images with X-calls and displaying them on a client's machine. > Quarterdeck Office Systems - Internet Support - Tom Bortels > Pricing/Ordering : info@qdeck.com | Tech Questions : support@qdeck.com > BBS: (310) 314-3227 * FAX: (310) 314-3217 * Compuserve: GO QUARTERDECK > Q/Fax: (310) 314-3214 from touch-tone phone for Technotes On Demand! --- __/ __/ George Patapis ---------------------PAN METRON ARISTON---------- __/ __/ __/ __/ Telecom C.S.S.C Lane Cove---email:gpatapis@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au __/ __/ __/ __/ P.O.Box A792 Sydney South --fax :(02) 911 3 199---------------- __/ __/ __/ __/ NSW, 2000, Australia.-------voice:(02) 911 3 121---------------- __/ __/ " 9921,13,"From: Lawrence Curcio Subject: Analgesics with Diuretics Organization: Doctoral student, Public Policy and Management, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic. The idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work? Thanks, -Larry C. " 9922,19,"From: netd@susie.sbc.com () Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: susie.sbc.com In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. >I've enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes >he exactly used. As a Christian sermon, it's pretty good, if not >inspired. > >Though I differ in part on some of his conclusions, the argument >he presents is well backed -- which is why it's taken me this long >to work through -- still ongoing. > >If you thought it was rambling -- that says far more about you than >it does Koresh. There is a very definite relationship between the You've made me curious. What does this say about me? >First Seal in Revelation 6, the entirety of Psalms 45, and the >most of Revelation 19 -- which demonstrated one of his major points >about how the writings in the Prophets (including David), and in >the Psalms, and in Revelation are all telling the same story when >you understand how they're related (ie have the key). The largely >explain each other. Charles Manson used revelation as well. Do we see a pattern here? I wonder of Koresh liked the Beatles? > >The sequence following is keyed to the Koresh tape, should you care >to check it out. You can almost see the note cards he used when >doing the analysis. > [long list of Biblical references which impressed me tremendously but were deleted in the interests of common sense.] Koresh was a nut, okay? Just because he found ways for the Bible to backup his rantings does not make him any less of a kook. > >Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed >for the message he carried. I'll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don't make him out to be a martyr. He did not ""get killed"", he killed himself. > >In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption. >Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten? > The evil was inside the compound. All that ""thou shalt not kill"" stuff. >Oh yeah, one last point for the believers -- Philippian 2:14-19. For the rest of us, could you please post the text? " 9923,8,"From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Organization: Encore Computer Corp. Distribution: rec In-Reply-To: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 14:40:15 EST Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: Request for opinions: Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 1-pc is better protection,..."" Thanks in advance, Nadine What is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to AeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs. If you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero dimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching the 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it. Having my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very concerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in protection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I think the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a difference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go somewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket) you can just detach and stow the pants. One thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for many women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and petite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better. Another recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I got 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not really that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must be). -- Jonathan E. Polito Internet: jpolito@encore.com Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC 27511 USA 919-481-3730/voice 919-481-3868/FAX " 9924,8,"From: James Leo Belliveau Subject: First Bike?? Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu Anyone, I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would be a good starter bike for me. I do know one thing however, I need to make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is out of the question. I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR 600 F2, GSX-R 750). I know that this may sound kind of crazy considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a fast learner, and in love. Please give me any advice that you think would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific bikes that you want to sell me. Thanks :-) Jamie Belliveau (jbc9@andrew.cmu.edu) " 9925,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 34 In article <1qh4m5INN2pu@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) wrote: > Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would > still be living in the area, but by the same token it would > never be ""rebuilt"". Obviously , if people are still there they > would live in houses, correct? Their ""nets"" implies a fishing > village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from > its original position of stature . Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing- and-they-needed-houses' place. > So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000. > Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards > we are talking about a one-horse town. Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000 people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities along the coast of Finland. I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-) Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 9926,2,"Subject: What about SMARTDRV /DOUBLE_BUFFER? From: psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"" Lines: 9 I am curious: what does the /double_buffer parameter in smartdrv actually do for me? I seem to have less problems in Windows when I leave it out. Using a PS/2 with an ESDI drive, but also a PS/2 with a SCSI. Any response is welcome. Peter Sweeney psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu " 9927,3,"From: Richard.Muratti@f341.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Richard Muratti) Subject: Parallel port X-FTN-To: All Lines: 25 Can anybody please help me with information on the use of the bi-directional printer port. I have successfully used one on a Toshiba laptop by enabling bit 0 of port 0x37f and controlling bit 7 of port 0x37a for the direction of data flow (ie ""0"" for output, ""1"" for input). The same code does not work on my desktop machine. I have heard that i might have to use bit 5 of port 0x37a, however this also does not work. For a parallel port i am using one of those IDE SUPER I/O cards and have been running a tape backup unit off it via a parallel to scsi converter so i am pretty sure that the printer port is bi-directional. Any information would be greatly appreasiated. Please post a reply here or Email me on INTERNET rick@cabsav.vut.edu.au Thanks Richard Muratti. * Origin: Custom Programming BBS (3:632/341) " 9928,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Distribution: world,public Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: > As I have stated on a parallel thread, I am not an anarchist, nor is > Islam anarchist. Therefore the UK should have control over itself. > However, this does not change the fact that it is possible for citizens > of the UK residing within the UK to be in violation of Islamic law. This is an interesting notion -- and one I'm scared of. In my case I'm a Finnish citizen, I live in USA, and I have to conform to the US laws. However, the Finnish government is not actively checking out what I'm doing in this country, in other words checking out if I conform to the Finnish laws. However, Islamic law seems to be a 'curse' that is following you everywhere in the world. Shades of 1984, eh? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 9929,19,"From: rocker@acm.rpi.edu (rocker) Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Reply-To: rocker@hermes.acm.rpi.edu Followup-To: Lines: 13 In <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes: >If one is paying for a PRIVATE health insurance plan and DOES NOT WANT >""abortion coverage"" there is NO reason for that person to be COMPLELLED >to pay for it. (Just as one should not be compelled to pay for lipposuction >coverage if ONE doesn't WANT that kind of coverage). You appear to be stunningly ignorant of the underlying concept of health insurance. >dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu -rocker " 9930,10,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Oh, excuse me for wasting the bandwidth, but I was referring to the original incident, not the recent skirmish which occurred this past month. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 9931,11,"From: mearle@netcom.com (Mark Earle) Subject: PGP 2.0 vs 2.2 Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Lines: 10 I've seen PGP 2.2 mentioned for the Mac platform. I use 2.0 on MS/DOS. Is there a 2.2 for MS/DOS? If so, a site or two that has it available (I'd need executables, although source would be nice to review). What was ""fixed"" or changed from 2.0 > 2.2? Thanks, mwe mearle@netcom.com finger for pgp2.0 public key " 9932,17,"From: kaveh@gate-koi.corp.sgi.com (Kaveh Smith ) Subject: Jews/Islam Dr. Frankenstien Nntp-Posting-Host: gate-koi.corp.sgi.com Reply-To: kaveh@gate-koi.corp.sgi.com (Kaveh Smith ) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA Lines: 49 I have found Jewish people very imagentative and creative. Jewish religion was the foundation for Christianity and Islam. In other words Judaism has fathered both religions. Now Islam has turned against its father I may say. It is Ironic that after communizem threat is almost gone, religion wars are going to be on the raise. I thought the idea of believing on one God, was to Unite all man kind. How come both Jews and Islam which believe on the same God, ""the God of Ebrahim"" are killing each other? Is this like Dr. Frankenstien's story? How are you going to stop this from happening? How are you going to deal with so many Muslims. Nuking them would distroy the whole world? Would God get mad, since you have killed his followers, you believe on the same God, same heaven and the same hell after all? What is the peacefull way of ending this Saga? Man kind needs religion, since it sets up the rules and the regulations which keeps the society in a healthy state. A religion is mostly a sets of rules which people have experienced and know it works for the society. The praying, keeps the sole healthy and meditates it. God does not care for man kinds pray, but man kind hopes that God will help him when he prays. Religion works mostly on the moral issues and trys to put away the materialistic things in the life. But the religious leaders need to make a living through religion? So they may corrupt it, or turn it to their own way to make their living. i.e Muslims have to pay %20 percent of their income to the Mullahs. I guess the rabie gets his cut too! Is in it that religion should be such that everybody on planet earth respects each other, be good toward each other helps one another, respect the mother nature. Is in that heaven and hell are created on earth through the acts that we take today? Is in it that within every man there is good and bad, he could choose either one, then he will see the outcome of his choice. How can we prevent man kind from going crazy over religion. How can we stop another religious killing field, under poor Gods name? What are your thoughts? Do you think man kind would to come its senses, before it is too late? P.S. on the side Do you think that Moses saw the God on mount Sina? Why would God go to top of the mountain? He created the earth, he could have been anywhere? why on top the mountain? Was it because people thought to see God you have to reach to the skies/heavens? Why God kept coming back to Middle East? Was it because they created God through their imagination? Is that why Jewish people were told by God, they were the chosen ones? Profit Mohammad was married to Khadijeh. She was a Jewish. She taught him how to trade. She probably taught him about Judaism. Quran is mostly copy right of Taurah (sp? old testement). Do you think God wrote Quran? Makeh was a trade city before Islam. Do you think it was made to be the center of Islamic world because Mohammad wanted to expand his trade business? Is that why God has put his house in there? I think this religious stuff has gone too far. All man kind are going to hurt from it if they do not wise up. Look at David Koresh, how that turned out? I am afraid in the bigger scale, the Jews and the Muslims will have the same ending!!!!!!!! Religion is needed in the sense to keep people in harmony and keep them doing good things, rather than plotting each others distruction. There is one earth, One life and one God. Let's all man kind be good toward each other. God help us all. Peace " 9933,3,"From: jay@vitec.com (Jay Thompson) Subject: DOS 6.0 Organization: VITec Lines: 16 I know of two people who have horrer stories about the DOS 6.0. That's 100% of the people I know with DOS 6.0. Both have had to reformat their disks and start over. One had drive D compress and work fine, only to compress C: to have the thing choke, spit out an unintelligable warning, and then hang. All that was left on either drive was autoexec.bat and config.sys. Calls to Microsoft only met with busy signals. After reformatting the drive, I'm not sure if he had the guts to reinstall 6.0 or stay with a known entity. The other may have been a marginal drive, however, his upgrade failed, he had to format a floppy disk at 6.0, format the drive, and then reinstall. I make now claims since I was not driving at the time, however, be careful and make sure you back important things up. I am interested in any other people with similar or success stories..... " 9934,6,"From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: CD'S FOR SALE Lines: 20 Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated which includes shipping and handling. Achtung baby U2 * Joshua tree U2 ** The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12 Love hurts Cher * Garth brooks Garth brooks * Red hot ..chilli peppers.. ** OOOOOHHHHH TLC ** Light and shadows wilson ** * Used only once. ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps Please email to kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu " 9935,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr20.155924.29995@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes: > First, note that the ""experts"" will only look at ""details"", and of just > the algorithm: > > In addition, respected experts from outside the > government will be offered access to the confidential details of > the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report > their findings. > > Why not the chip design? Well, here's the possiblity: in addition to > encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier > to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might > effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for ""voice- > grepping"" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons > thereof). First of all, the chip doesn't do that. It runs at 16 megabits/second, which is far beyond what you need for voice. It's obviously intended for data as well, and on high-speed lines at that. Second -- what advantage is there to doing the processing in the phone? I don't care how fancy that chip is; it's not as fancy as the roomful of analyzers at Fort Meade running the program they'll have 5 years from now. They can't update every Clipper chip that's out there. Third -- if they did do this preprocessing in the chip, it would probably have a serious effect on recognizability of the voice patterns. If nothing else, that would hurt the acceptability of the product. The V.32bis modems are just barely fast enough to do a good job on properly- massaged voice as is; add any more to the mix, and you're completely out of the ballpark. " 9936,13,"From: bls101@keating.anu.edu.au (The New, Improved Brian Scearce) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Australian National University Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.126.9 In-reply-to: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:56:15 GMT In-reply-to: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:56:15 GMT Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.image.processing,sci.anthropology,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.skeptic,sci.med,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Krillean Photography References: <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> Distribution: --text follows this line-- todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly appreciated. In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. There have been a number of scientific papers (in peer-reviewed journals) published about Kirlian photography in the early 1970s. Sorry I can't be more specific but it is a long time since I read them. They would describe what is needed and how to set up the apparatus. These papers demonstrate that the auras obtained by Kirlian photography can be completely explained by the effect of the electric currents used on the moisture in the object being photographed. It has nothing to do with the ""energy signature"" of organic objects. I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school. I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by first dunking them in water. Barbara -- -- bls101@syseng.anu.edu.au ""I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it."" - Mae West " 9937,11,"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Department of Mathematics Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article <1r1otuINNdb2@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short >time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not >available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize >it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. I am an idiot. The plaintext that's relevant is the session key. If you know that, you probably don't need a roomful of chips, do you? If you were going to brute force something interesting, that'd be the message stream, which is sort of approximately known by, say, a bug in my office. Then your roomful of chips could get the session key. Which I change every morning. Really, it's just a whole lot easier for the illicit wiretappers to stick a bug in your phone. Andrew Molitor " 9938,4,"From: asson@chacmool.stsci.edu (Drew Justin Asson) Subject: Ext. Hard Drives for my SE/30 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Lines: 20 I'm interested in getting an external hard drive for my SE/30. I've got an internal 40MB that's pretty full, even with compression s/w. Alot of people talk about $/MB, what's a good ratio? I'm thinking of adding either an 80 or a 100 (or 105). What brands would people suggest? Finally, places to buy from? Are more popular mail-order places better to order from or the places that JUST sell hard drives (e.g. ones that advertise in the back of MacWorld and MacUser). Thanks in advance. If e-mail replies are sent, I'll compile them and post them. -- Drew -- ========================================================================== | Drew J. Asson | Space Telescope Science Institute | | AI Senior Software Engineer | 3700 San Martin Drive | | Advance Planning Systems Branch | Baltimore, MD 21218, USA | | Internet: asson@stsci.edu | (410) 338-4474 [338-1592 (fax)] | ========================================================================== " 9939,9,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: WFAN Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr16.174843.28111@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: >On the serious side: Maybe we should have a sub for Sports Radio/TV. > >As much as people complain about one station or another, the >information you hear is a lot more in depth than what you can get on >the AP wire or USA Today. So, to benefit those who have favorite >teams outside of their vicinity, this would do wonders. People can >get on and talk about what Cataldi said about the Eagles or what >Lupica said of the Bonilla incident etc. This can be for any station >across the country. Anyone agree? I agree, although I would have no idea how to go about doing it. But you've got my vote. --I'm outta here like Vladimir --Alan =========================================================================== | ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated."" | | -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | =========================================================================== " 9940,14,"From: jib@bonnie.jsc.nasa.gov (J. I. Blackshear Jr.) Subject: DSPSE (was Why Clementine?) Reply-To: jib@bonnie.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: Barrios Technology @ NASA/JSC; Houston Lines: 29 The SDIO has ""contracted"" with the NRL (Naval Research Laboratory) to fly the Clementine Mission. BTW we call it DSPSE (Deep Space Project Science Experiment). The NRL is building the spacecraft, designing the detailed mission and doing the integration and operations (with help from, JPL & Goddard & prob. some folks I have left out...don't be mad). I am on the TAMP (Trajectory Analysis & Mission Planning) team and am responsable for the IV&V of the traj that Goddard/CSC are designing. As for why SDIO is doing it, some of the reasons are: 1) the safety constraints are too tight to try to run the LIDAR in LEO 2) in LEO we don't get any new radiation data on the sensors, we will get that data on our 9 passages through the Van Allen (sp?) Belts 3) since we are going out there...why not piggy-back some general science 4) the intercept problem is a lot easied over LONG distances and LONG times I am sure there are some things I have forgotten, and some I haven't been told but, those are the reasons we all talk about. -- Jim Blackshear jib@bonnie.jsc.nasa.gov " 9941,3,"From: mfraser@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark Fraser) Subject: IRQ Limits - Help Organization: Wimsey Information Services Distribution: na Lines: 23 I would like advice on how to configure my 486 to accept: - Com1 + Com2 (currently on IRQ 4 and 3) - LPT1 (IRQ7) - Bus Mouse (IRQ5) - Sound Card (no idea what to do - can be set to any) - using IRQ2 for Bus MOuse gobbled up too many cycles, and caused loss of communications with floppy disks, and a few other problems. I could, I suppose, switch the 2 com devices externally, and disable the second port on the Super IO card, but I really want to have them both available. COuld the sound card use IRQ2 without horsing up the works? All replies apppreciated - and I only just subscribed to this newsgroup - I assume there is an FAQ somewhere (rather, I'm sure someone will tell me about it....) thanks Mark Fraser " 9942,14,"From: ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) Subject: DC-X & DC-Y Organization: Rutherford Appleton Lab, UK Lines: 15 Hi guys, I've been hearing lots of talk on the net about DC-X and DC-Y, but none of the many posts actually explain what they are !!! Sorry if this is a FAQ, but would somebody please explain to me what they are. Reply by Email please . . . thanks. Andy ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk -- ----------------------------------- Andy Jonathan J. Broderick, | ""I have come that they might have | Rutherford Lab., UK | life, and have it to the full"" | Mail : ajjb@adam2.bnsc.rl.ac.uk | - Jesus Christ | " 9943,9,"From: boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) Subject: Re: Why Spanky? Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Pittsburgh PA, USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: postoffice1.psc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] On Mon, 12 Apr 93 00:53:14 GMT in <<1993Apr12.005314.5700@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>> Greg Spira (gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: :>Does anybody in the Pittsburgh area know why Mike LaValliere was released? :>Last year I kept saying that Slaught should get the bulk of the playing time, :>that he was clearly the better player at this point, but Leyland insisted on :>keeping a pretty strict platoon. And now he is released? That doesn't :>make any sense to me. Greg, The story goes like this: Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and Prince is coming along nicely! Don't feel too bad for him. He's still gonna get theat $4,000,000 over the next two years -- he'll be able to do most of what he wants to do. -- /*****************************************************************************/ /* Jon `Iain` Boone Network Systems Administrator boone@psc.edu */ /* iain+@cmu.edu Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center (412) 268-6959 */ /* I don't speak for anyone other than myself, unless otherwise stated!!!!!! */ /*****************************************************************************/ " 9944,17,"From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Lines: 16 Nf-ID: #R:horenC5LDuz.5sE@netcom.com:1074830076:cdp:1483500346:000:733 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 17:02:00 1993 Aryans who do not base their reasoning on Nazi ideology are racists... Thus spoke an American citizen in the name of Judaism. If this is Judaism, I think Judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous philosophy. I suspect however that Martin Buber, Albert Einstein and other Jewish scholars would have rather converted to Christianity than stay Jews, if they would have perceived Judaism as such a perverted philosophy. Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis of Judeo-Nazism. " 9945,4,"From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger) Subject: Re: Non-Apple Mini-Docks available? Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Reply-To: jonathan@mecca.epri.com Organization: Electric Power Research Institute X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 A A DeGuzman (deguzman@after.math.uiuc.edu) wrote: > My boss is considering the purchase of a Powerbook or Duo. He is leaning > towards a 180, because of the math coprocessor (for Mathematica), but would > get a Duo if he could find a Mini-Dock with a coprocessor. Have any > third-parties announced such a beast? I believe that E-Machines might produce something of this nature. -- Jonathan Heiliger .... Electric Power Research Institute M/M & Visualization Integrator ....... 3412 Hillview Ave. Internet: jonathan@mecca.epri.com ........ Palo Alto, CA Telephone <*> [415].855.2888 ..................... 94303 " 9946,8,"From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten) Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm, Atlanta, GA, USA Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote: >In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: >>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and >>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase. >Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. Cam chain. -Mike Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522 Irony is the spice of life. '90 Bianchi Backstreet '82 Suzuki GS850GL ""The revolution will not be televised."" " 9947,9,"From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) Subject: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Distribution: na Lines: 13 fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes: > > I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P > rated Baerga higher, actually. > > Mike > -- Finally, an objective source. Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga. Nice to see the objective source cited rather than ""my dad's bigger than your dad"" posts. BK " 9948,6,"From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino) Subject: Dbase IV for sale (price reduced!) Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 4 Dbase IV 1.5 for sale, 3.5 inch disks, all registration included (so you can upgrade to 2.0 if you want), manuals still shrinkwrapped, disks only opened to verify they all work. Asking $175 or best offer. " 9949,14,"From: bobc@sed.stel.com (Bob Combs) Subject: Re: Blow up space station, easy way to do it. Organization: SED, Stanford Telecom, Reston, VA 22090 Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr5.184527.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >This might a real wierd idea or maybe not.. > > >Why musta space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be >confined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not >earth, why be limited by earth based ideas?? > Choose any or all of the following as an answer to the above: 1. Politics 2. Traditions 3. Congress 4. Beauracrats " 9950,15,"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd. Lines: 25 phil.launchbury@almac.co.uk (Phil Launchbury) writes: > >The ""apostate church"" of Revelation most likely refers to the 1st century > >Jews who rejected their Messiah and had Him crucified. John refers to them > I'm afraid not. It refers to the church that Christ founded. Many, many > times he warns that the church will fall away into heresy as do the > apostles. For an example look at the parables in Matthew 13:31-33. They > refer to 'the kingdom of heaven' (the church) and the process of how > they will be corrupted. Sorry, but I think this interpretation of the Matthew 13 parables is nonsense. I.e., > 'yeast' - *ALWAYS* stands for sin/corruption/heresy. For example 'beware > of the yeast of the Pharisees'. ... Matthew 16:12 explains that by ""leaven of the Pharisees"" Jesus was simply referring to their teaching; not sin/corruption/heresy. Jesus gaves His apostles the keys of the kingdom and said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. -- Tom Albrecht " 9951,8,"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet Organization: University of East Anglia Distribution: ba Lines: 19 lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes: >Hi Janice >I don't know if I'm being unduly cautious, but I wouldn't buy a used helmet, not for normal road use anyway. You never really know what's happened to them in their past life ! >Have fun, >Lisa Rowlands I'll second that!! I saw a list somewhere of all the stuff that it was unwise to buy secondhand - stuff like parachutes, toilet paper, condoms and motorcycle helmets... Seriously though, why take the risk? You are extremely unlikely to get a good-fitting secondhand helmet, cos life just doesn't work like that! And as Lisa says, you never know where it's been before... " 9952,15,"From: u2i02@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (RJ Pomeroy) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Lines: 72 From article , by ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci): > Coming from a long line of ""hot tempered"" people, I know temper when I see > it. One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is > when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic. I do hope that you are not suggesting that merely because a person replies in an ""acrid, angry and sarcastic"" manner that this demonstrates their 'non-christianity'? The simple fact is that there is not a Christian on the face of the planet (that I know of!) that is perfect. I have been known at times to have a fit of temper, or a sulk, but this does not make me any the less a Christian. One of the points of being a Christian (as I perceive it) is to become MORE LIKE Christ. This statement inherently suggests that we ARE NOT already like Christ. Jesus never unrighteously lost his temper. I do. Jesus was perfect. I'm not. > We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again > christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to > christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were > ""spiritually hungry."" Instead of answering questions with sweetness and > sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, ""flame"" the queries. You must understand that this is because Christians often forget to treat others as our role-model - Christ - would. This is because we are human and falible. I, for one, do not pretend to be infalible, and I hope that my fellow-men will bear with me when I make mistakes. This surely is not too much to ask, when I make every effort to bear with _them_. > You don't need any enemies. You already do yourselves the greatest harm. And don't we know it! > Again I say, foolish, foolish, foolish. Again I say, we are ALL human! To my brethren, this: Ms Duticci has a valid point and we as Christians ought to heed the warning in her article. We oftimes discredit ourselves and our Saviour, in the way that we treat others. Strive towards the goal set us by our Lord, but in the meantime, remember : ""There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ..."" When you blow it - go easy on yourself. Forgive yourself, as your Father in heaven forgives you! And remember - and this is something I firmly beieve and cling to - one day, we shall see Him face to face, and in that day, we shall (finally!) be perfected. I look forward to seeing you there. RRRRR OO BBBBB : R R OO OO B B : R R OO OO B BB : Robert Pomeroy R RR O O B B : RRRR O O BBBBB : u2i02@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk R R O O B B : R R OO OO B BB : 1993 R R OO OO B B : R R OO BBBBB : PS If you want to draw anything to my attention, then please mail me direct, because I don't often read the news... PPS If I have offended anyone with this article, I beg your forgiveness, in advance! " 9953,13,"From: Dan Wallach Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries (4/4): Software Monitoring Tools [monthly posting] Supersedes: Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 333 Expires: 22 May 1993 01:24:03 GMT Reply-To: Richard Donkin NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Summary: software tools to help out injured typists Originator: dwallach@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/software Version: 1.8, 7th December 1992 This FAQ is actually maintained by Richard Donkin . I post it, along with the other FAQ stuff. If you have questions, you want to send mail to Richard, not me. -- Dan Software Tools to help with RSI ------------------------------- This file describes tools, primarily software, to help prevent or manage RSI. This version now includes information on such diverse tools as calendar programs and digital watches... Please let me know if you know any other tools, or if you have information or opinions on these ones, and I will update this FAQ. I am especially interested in getting reviews of these products from people who have evaluated them or are using them. Richard Donkin Internet mail: richardd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel: +44 71 814 5708 (direct) Fax: +44 71 251 2853 Changes in this version: Added information on StressFree, another typing management tool for Windows. TYPING MANAGEMENT TOOLS: these aim to help you manage your keyboard use, by warning you to take a break every so often. The better ones also include advice on exercises, posture and workstation setup. Some use sound hardware to warn of a break, others use beeps or screen messages. Often, RSI appears only after many years of typing, and the pain has a delayed action in the short term too: frequently you can be typing all day with little problem and the pain gets worse in the evening. These tools act as an early warning system: by listening to their warnings and taking breaks with exercises, you don't have to wait for your body to give you a more serious and painful warning - that is, getting RSI. Tool: At Your Service (commercial software) Available from: Bright Star Tel: +1 (206) 451 3697 Platforms: Mac (System 6.0.4), Windows Description: Provides calendar, keyboard watch, email watch, and system info. Warns when to take a break (configurable). Has a few recommendations on posture, and exercises. Sound-oriented, will probably work best with sound card (PC) or with microphone (Mac). Should be possible to record your own messages to warn of break. Tool: AudioPort (sound card and software) Available from: Media Vision Tel: +1 (510) 226 2563 Platforms: PC Description: A sound card to plug into your PC parallel port. Includes 'At Your Service'. Tool: Computer Health Break (commercial software) Available from: Escape Ergonomics, Inc 1111 W. El Camino Real Suite 109 Mailstop 403 Sunnyvale, CA Tel: +1 (408) 730 8410 Platforms: DOS Description: Aimed at preventing RSI, this program warns you to take breaks after a configurable interval, based on clock time, or after a set number of keystrokes -- whichever is earlier. It gives you 3 exercises to do each time, randomly selected from a set of 70. Exercises are apparently tuned to the type of work you do - data entry, word processing, information processing. Exercises are illustrated and include quite a lot of text on how to do the exercise and on what exactly the exercise does. CHB includes hypertext information on RSI that you can use to learn more about RSI and how to prevent it. Other information on non-RSI topics can be plugged into this hypertext viewer. A full glossary of medical terms and jargon is included. CHB can be run in a DOS box under Windows, but does not then warn you when to take a break; it does not therefore appear useful when used with Windows. Cost: $79.95; quantity discounts, site licenses. Comments: The keystroke-counting approach looks good: it seems better to measure the activity that is causing you problems than to measure clock time or even typing time. The marketing stuff is very good and includes some summaries of research papers, as well as lots of arguments you can use to get your company to pay up for RSI management tools. Tool: EyerCise (commercial software) Available from: RAN Enterprises One Woodland Park Dr. Haverhill, MA 01830, US Tel: 800-451-4487 (US only) Platforms: Windows (3.0/3.1), OS/2 PM (1.3/2.0) [Not DOS] Description: Aimed at preventing RSI and eye strain, this program warns you to take breaks after a configurable interval (or at fixed times). Optionally displays descriptions and pictures of exercises - pictures are animated and program beeps you to help you do exercises at the correct rate. Includes 19 stretches and 4 visual training exercises, can configure which are included and how many repetitions you do - breaks last from 3 to 7 minutes. Also includes online help on workplace ergonomics. Quote from their literature: ""EyerCise is a Windows program that breaks up your day with periodic sets of stretches and visual training exercises. The stretches work all parts of your body, relieving tension and helping to prevent Repetitive Strain Injury. The visual training exercises will improve your peripheral vision and help to relieve eye strain. Together these help you to become more relaxed and productive."" ""The package includes the book _Computers & Visual Stress_ by Edward C. Godnig, O.D. and John S. Hacunda, which describes the ergonomic setup for a computer workstation and provides procedures and exercises to promote healthy and efficient computer use. Cost: $69.95 including shipping and handling, quantity discounts for resellers. Free demo ($5 outside US). Comments: I have a copy of this, and it works as advertised: I would say it is better for RSI prevention than RSI management, because it does not allow breaks at periods less than 30 minutes. Also, it interrupts you based on clock time rather than typing time, which is not so helpful unless you use the keyboard all day. Worked OK on Windows 3.0 though it did occasionally crash with a UAE - not sure why. Also refused to work with the space bar on one PC, and has one window without window controls. Very usable though, and does not require any sound hardware. Tool: Lifeguard (commercial software) Available from: Visionary Software P.O. Box 69447 Portland, OR 97201, US Tel: +1 (503) 246-6200 Platforms: Mac, DOS (Windows version underway) Description: Aimed at preventing RSI. Warns you to take a break with dialog box and sound. Includes a list of exercises to do during breaks, and information on configuring your workstation in an ergonomic manner. Price: $59; quantity discounts and site licenses. The DOS product is bought in from another company, apparently; not sure how equivalent this is to the Mac version. The Mac version got a good review in Desktop Publisher Magazine (Feb 1991). Good marketing stuff with useful 2-page summaries of RSI problems and solutions, with references. Tool: StressFree (commercial software, free usable demo) Available from: LifeTime Software P.O. Box 87522 Houston Texas 77287-7522, US Tel: 800-947-2178 (US only) Fax: +1 (713) 474-2067 Mail: 70412.727@compuserve.com Demo (working program but reduced functions) available from: Compuserve: Windows Advanced Forum, New Uploads section, or Health and Fitness Forum, Issues At Work section. Anon FTP: ftp.cica.indiana.edu (and mirroring sites) Platforms: Windows (3.0/3.1) (Mac and DOS versions underway) Description: Aimed at preventing RSI, this program warns you to take breaks after a configurable interval (or at fixed times). Displays descriptions and pictures of exercises - pictures are animated and program paces you to help you do exercises at the correct rate. Quite a few exercises, can configure which ones are included to some extent. Online help. Version 2.0 is out soon, Mac and DOS versions will be based on this. Cost: $29.95 if support via CompuServe or Internet, otherwise $39.95. Site license for 3 or more copies is $20.00 each. (NOTE: prices may have gone up for V2.0). Comments: I have had a play with this, and it works OK. Its user interface design is much better in 2.0, though still a bit unusual. expensive tool around and it does the job. It is also the only tool with a redistributable demo, so if you do get the demo, post it on your local bulletin boards, FTP servers and Bitnet servers! Does not include general info on RSI and ergonomics, but it does have the ability to step backward in the exercise sequence, which is good for repeating the most helpful exercises. Tool: Typewatch (freeware), version 3.8 (October 1992) Available from: Email to richardd@hoskyns.co.uk Anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/typewatch.shar Platforms: UNIX (tested on SCO, SunOS, Mach; character and X Window mode) Description: This is a shell script that runs in the background and warns you to stop typing, based on how long you have been continuously typing. It does not provide exercises, but it does check that you really do take a break, and tells you when you can start typing again. Typewatch now tells you how many minutes you have been typing today, each time it warns you, which is useful so you know how much you *really* type. It also logs information to a file that you can analyse or simply print out. The warning message appears on your screen (in character mode), in a pop-up window (for X Windows), or as a Zephyr message (for those with Athena stuff). Tim Freeman has put in a lot of bug fixes, extra features and support for X, Zephyr and Mach. Not formally supported, but email richardd@hoskyns.co.uk (for SCO, SunOS, character mode) or tsf@cs.cmu.edu (for Mach, X Window mode, Zephyr) if you have problems or want to give feedback. Tool: Various calendar / batch queue programs Available from: Various sources Platforms: Various Description: Any calendar/reminder program that warns you of an upcoming appointment can be turned into an ad hoc RSI management tool. Or, any batch queue submission program that lets you submit a program to run at a specific time to display a message to the screen. Using Windows as an example: create a Calendar file, and include this filename in your WIN.INI's 'load=' line so you get it on every startup of Windows. Suppose you want to have breaks every 30 minutes, starting from 9 am. Press F7 (Special Time...) to enter an appointment, enter 9:30, hit Enter, and type some text in saying what the break is for. Then press F5 to set an alarm on this entry, and repeat for the next appointment. By using Windows Recorder, you can record the keystrokes that set up breaks throughout a day in a .REC file. Put this file on your 'run=' line, as above, and you will then, with a single keypress, be able to set up your daily appointments with RSI exercises. The above method should be adaptable to most calendar programs. An example using batch jobs would be to submit a simple job that runs at 9:30 am and warns you to take a break; this will depend a lot on your operating system. While these approaches are not ideal, they are a good way of forcing yourself to take a break if you can't get hold of a suitable RSI management tool. If you are techie enough you might want to write a version of Typewatch (see above) for your operating system, using batch jobs or whatever fits best. Tool: Digital watches with count-down timers Available from: Various sources, e.g. Casio BP-100. Description: Many digital watches have timers that count down from a settable number of minutes; they usually reset easily to that number, either manually or automatically. While these are a very basic tool, they are very useful if you are writing, reading, driving, or doing anything away from a computer which can still cause or aggravate RSI. The great advantage is that they remind you to break from whatever you are doing. Comments: My own experience was that cutting down a lot on my typing led to my writing a lot more, and still reading as much as ever, which actually aggravated the RSI in my right arm though the left arm improved. Getting a count-down timer watch has been very useful on some occasions where I write a lot in a day. I have tried an old fashioned hour-glass type egg timer, but these are not much good because they do not give an audible warning of the end of the time period! KEYBOARD REMAPPING TOOLS: these enable you to change your keyboard mapping so you can type one-handedly or with a different two-handed layout. One-handed typing tools may help, but be VERY careful about how you use them -- if you keep the same overall typing workload you are simply doubling your hand use for the hand that you use for typing, and may therefore make matters worse. Tool: hsh (public domain) Available from: Anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/hsh.shar Platforms: UNIX (don't know which ones) Description: Allows one-handed typing and other general keyboard remappings. Only works through tty's (so, you can use it with a terminal or an xterm, but not most X programs). Tool: Dvorak keyboard tools (various) Available from: Anonymous ftp: soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/xdvorak.c Also built into Windows 3.x. Description: The Dvorak keyboard apparently uses a more rational layout that involves more balanced hand use. It *may* help prevent RSI a bit, but you can also use it if you have RSI, since it will slow down your typing a *lot* :-) -- Dan Wallach ""One of the most attractive features of a Connection dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet."" -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. " 9954,9,"From: iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) Subject: Joe Robbie Stadium ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" Reply-To: iacs3650@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 16 Did anyone notice the words ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" printed on the picture of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA Today? Any reason given for this? Also, I just noticed something looking at the Nolan Ryan timeline in the preview. On 8/22/89, Rickey Henderson became Nolan's 5000th strikeout. On 6/11/90 he pitched his 6th no-hitter against Oakland. I believe the last out in the game was made by Rickey Henderson. And on 5/1/91, Nolan pitched his 7th no-hitter on the same day a certain someone stole his 939th base, which overshadowed it. It seems that Nolan is having a lot of publicity at Rickey's expense. IMO, Rickey deserves it, and it seems as most of the net agrees with me from what I've seen on it lately. They are both great players, but IMO, Nolan has outclassed Rickey, both in playing and more importantly, in attitude. Just my thoughts. Kevin " 9955,5,"From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) Subject: Re: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE) Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr20.144415.2153@ncar.ucar.edu> boote@eureka.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff W. Boote) writes: >In article <4378@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) writes: >> >> Environment: >> mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX) >> OS : SunOS 4.1.3 >> X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22) >> Motif : 1.2.2 >> >> I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence >> of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion >> to X server lost): > >I had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that >comes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the ""sunGX.uu"" >that was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you >didn't apply the one that came with Patch #7. > >jeff >- >Jeff W. Boote ********************************* >Scientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad * >National Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. * >Boulder * Hamlet * > ********************************* Thanx, Jeff. You're a lifesaver. I imported the new sun GX emulator that came in with patch #7. The problem has since disappeared. Thanx to der (schoene) Mouse for his help too. --- S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech " 9956,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 4 You can add Steve Rosenberg, one-time White Sox reliever now in the Mets system, to the list. Greg " 9957,18,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Hilter and homosexuals Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 106 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >, erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: >> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: ># #Are you saying that: ># ># #(1) People voted for Hitler, and he became Reich Chancellor, in good ># #part because he used bully boys to attack communists, ># Hitler did not become become Reich Chancellor because people voted for ># him. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not, but I just thought ># I'd bring that up. >Hitler became Chancellor because people voted for his political >party. That's not a huge difference in a parliamentary system. Your statement is a common misconception, but it just isn't true. In the German Weimar system, the Chancellor was not necessarily the leader of the largest Reichstag party; the Chancellor was appointed by the President and generally was the leader of a coalition of parties who could form an effective majority in the Reichstag. Beyond that, the implication that Hitler rose to the Chancellorship because a majority of Germans wanted Nazi rule is false as well. Before President Hindenburg appointed Hitler Chancellor in January 1933, the German people did not show a particular desire to be led either by Hitler or by the Nazi party. These are the results of the March 1932 election for President, the closest Hitler ever came to direct election: Hindenburg 49.6%, Hitler 30.1%, Thaelmann 13.2%, Duesterberg 6.8%. In the runoff election in April the results were: Hindenburg 53%, Hitler 36.8%, Thaelmann 10.2%. So we can see that Hitler personally was supported by only about a third of German voters. Similarly, the Nazi party never received more than 37% of the vote in Reichstag elections. That occurred in July 1932. In the November 1932 election the Nazis *lost* two million votes and 34 seats, down from 230 to 196 out of the 608 in the Reichstag. Comparitively, the Socialists had 121 and the Communists 100. The Communists had gained 11 seats, and the German National party, which had supported the previous government, had picked up a million of the Nazis' lost votes to gain 15 seats (up to 52). I think the other large party was the Catholic Center party (I don't know how many seats they had but I think they were declining), and there were numerous other small parties. Thus the Nazi vote was on the decline at the time Hitler was appointed Chancellor. What brought Hitler to power was *not* the demand of the German people for Hitler or the Nazis to run things, but the inability of the other parties to put their differences behind them in favor of forming an effective government for the country. Germany did not have an enduring democratic tradition, and their parliamentary system lacked effective center parties that favored the interests of the majority of the population. Instead what they had was a number of small parties who were unable to put aside their own specific objectives in order to combine against the Nazis, who were out to end the democratic process. In fact, part of the problem was that some of the other parties with substantial representation, like the Communists, were also out to end the democratic process, but with different results in mind, and generally didn't mind seeing parliamentary democracy go under. Germany had already had a non-Nazi Chancellor with a majority coalition for five months while the Nazis had been the largest Reichstag party, and there certainly was no danger of a revolution in favor of the Nazis. If anything the Nazis were starting to get desperate because they had failed to get enough support to make Hitler President and their popular vote had begun to decline. Hitler was not Hindenburg's first choice to be Chancellor, not even his second choice. First, von Papen had been Chancellor since June 1932. After the November election when the Nazis *lost* seats, Hindenburg first prevailed on von Papen to remain as Chancellor. But there were intrigues behind his back and support for him was lacking. So then Hindenburg turned to von Schleicher, who became Chancellor for two months. Eventually he too was unable to hold together a working coalition of parties to oppose the Nazis, who refused to participate in any government that was not led by a Nazi Chancellor. Some of the Nazi leadership, particularly Gregor Strasser who was the #2 man in the party at the time, wanted to participate in a coalition government. But others, knowing the party's support was waning, figured that their best hope to gain power lay in undermining the democratic process. Nevertheless, the country was governed for seven months by Chancellors who were not Nazis, even though the Nazis were the largest Reichstag party. The failure of these men to achieve a working coalition was due to the inability of their coalition parties to work together. Here's how William Shirer puts it in _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_: The cardinal error of the Germans who opposed Nazism was their failure to unite against it. At the crest of their popular strength, in July 1932, the National Socialists had attained but 37 percent of the vote. But the 63 percent of the German people who expressed their opposition to Hitler were much too divided and shortsighted to combine against a common danger which they must have known would overwhelm them unless they united, however temporarily, to stamp it out. True, the German people supported Hitler after he became Chancellor. But that doesn't change the fact that there was not overwhelming support for him *before* he was in power. The German people were not crying out for Hitler to take over, no matter how bad economic conditions were. The leftist parties (Socialists/Communists) probably had more support in total than the Nazis. Hitler used the fact that others were passively or actively willing to see the government paralyzed as a means to taking it over. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 9958,1,"From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: MS-Windows screen grabber? Keywords: windows screen grab document graphics Lines: 20 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University Howdy all, Where could I find a screen-grabber program for MS-Windows? I'm writing up some documentation and it would be VERY helpful to include sample screens into the document. Please e-mail as I don't usualy follow this group. Thanks a lot, Grant -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== ""The human brain is like an enormous fish -- it is flat and slimy and has gills through which it can see."" -- Monty Python " 9959,7,"From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Chevron Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr17.175451.30896@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes: |> |> I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. |> What do you think would be the best buy? Well, for a bit more you could get an Mazda RX-7, definitely a BEST. For under $30k you're stuck with (in no particular order): Chevy Camaro Z28 LT1-1 Ponitac Firebird Firehawk Ford Mustang Cobra Toyota MR2 Turbo GMC Typhoon ;) TRAVIS " 9960,15,"From: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 57 Another issue of importance. Was the crucification the will of God or a tragic mistake. I believe it was a tragic mistake. God's will can never be accomplished through the disbelief of man. Jesus came to this world to build the kingdom of heaven on the earth. He desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah. If the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this cup pass from him. Was this out of weakness. NEVER. Many men and women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes. Is Jesus less than these. No he is not. He knew the crucification was NOT the will of GOD. God's will was that the Jewish people accept Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on the earth with Jesus as it's head. (Just like the Jewish people expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what kind of world we would live in today. It would be a very different world. And that is eactly what GOD wanted. Men and women of that age could have been saved by following the living Messiah while he was on the earth. Jesus could have established a sinless lineage that would have continued his reign after his ascension to the spiritual world to live with GOD. Now the kingdom of heaven on the earth will have to wait for Christ's return. But when he returns will he be recognized and will he find faith on this earth. Isn't it about time for his return. It's been almost 2000 years. Mike In article 28885@athos.rutgers.edu, oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes: In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: > >(1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something >else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. > >(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the >Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so >(it would have discredited the Christians). And the two simplest refutations are these: (1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years after the supposed event. (2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. -Scott O. " 9961,4,"From: hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) Subject: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Distribution: usa Lines: 18 With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me: 1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.) 2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?) Just wondering.... -- *** Dave Hollinsworth ********* hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu O |""| * ""It's astounding; time is fleeting; madness takes * PLAY /\ | | * its toll."" -- Riff Raff, Rocky Horror Picture Show * PINBALL! /\ \-------| *** DISCLAIMER: They're my opinions. Are they yours? ********* / / |-------| " 9962,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Mogilny must be benched. Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 19 In article wong@fraser.sfu.ca (Sam S. Wong) writes: >> About 4 or 5 weeks ago I read in the Toronto Sun a quote from Alex; it >> went something like [sarcastically]: >> ""Yep, Patty's the man. He's responsible for the team's success...I'm a >> nobody around here."" >How can you assume it was a sarcastic remark? >For someone whose first language is not English, I would interpret >that comment to mean that he believes Pat is the MVP on the team and that >he is just one of the other normal players. Quite modest I might say. Well, I don't recall assuming anything, except perhaps that the columnist who reported the incident was telling the truth i.e. the sarcastic impression came from _him_ (Steve Simmons?). Besides, to my knowledge Alex has a pretty fair grasp of the English language...and his recent comment after the Detroit game would indicate that this remark _is_ what I think it to be. Very low. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca " 9963,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 102 In article <66020@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Assuming you are presenting it accurately, I don't see how this argument >really leads to any firm conclusion. The material in John (I'm not sure >exactly what is referred to here, but I'll take for granted the similarity >to the Matt./Luke ""Q"" material) IS different; hence, one could have almost >any relationship between the two, right up to John getting it straight from >Jesus' mouth. > No, the argument says John has known Q, ie a codified version of the logia, and not the original, assuming that there has been one. It has weaknesses, of course, like that John might have known the original, yet rather referred to Q in his text, or that the logia were given in a codified version in the first place. The argument alone does not allow a firm conclusion, but it fits well into the dating usually given for the gospels. >>We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual >>explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider >>their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke >>that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark). > >The version of the ""usual theory"" I have heard has Matthew and Luke >independently relying on Mark and ""Q"". One would think that if Luke relied >on Matthew, we wouldn't have the grating inconsistencies in the geneologies, >for one thing. > Not necessarily, Luke may have trusted the version he knew better than the version given by Matthew. Improving on Matthew would give a motive, for instance. As far as I know, the theory that Luke has known Matthew is based on a statistical analysis of the texts. >>As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence >>for that is not overwhelming, admittedly. > >This is the part that is particularly new to me. If it were possible that >you could point me to a reference, I'd be grateful. > Yep, but it will take another day or so to get the source. I hope your German is good enough. :-) >>>Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late >>>'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200. > >>When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on >>putting John after the rest of the three? > >Because it closes up the gap between (supposed) writing and the existing >copy quit a bit. The further away from the original, the more copies can be >written, and therefore survival becomes more probable. > I still do not see how copies from 200 allow to change the dating of John. >>That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language >>together with the theology are usually used as counterargument. > >I'm not really impressed with the ""theology"" argument. But I'm really >pointing this out as an ""if"". And as I pointed out earlier, one cannot make >these arguments about I Peter; I see no reason not to accept it as an >authentic letter. > Yes, but an if gives only possibilities and no evidence. The authencity of many letters is still discussed. It looks as if conclusions about them are not drawn because some pet dogmas of the churches would probably fall with them as well. >>One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that >>to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies. > >The best analogy would be reporters talking to the participants, which is >not so bad. > Well, rather like some newsletter of a political party reporting from the big meeting. Not necessarily wrong, but certainly bad. >>In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like >>and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak. > >But the statement of divinity is not in that section, and in any case, it's >agreed that the most important epistles predate Mark. Yes, but the accuracy of their tradition is another problem. Question: Are there letters not from Paul and predating Mark claiming the divinity of Jesus? Benedikt " 9964,7,"From: theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center Lines: 7 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: pizza8.cs.itc.hp.com For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS, sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R. I went straight to the fleet manager at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I knew what his price should be. He called me back with exactly what I wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day. " 9965,14,"From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: Motorola Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 31 In article <1r54to$oh@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at >one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be >handled at kourou or Vandenberg? Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Its probably better to invest in newer launch systems. I don't think a big cost advantage for using Russian systems will last for very long (maybe a few years). Lockheed would be the place to ask, since you would probably have to buy the Proton from them (they market the Proton world wide except Russia). They should know a lot about the possibilities, I haven't heard them propose US launches, so I assume they looked into it and found it unprofitable. >Now if it uses storables, Yes... >then how long would it take for the russians >to equip something at cape york? Comparable to the Zenit I suppose, but since it looks like nothing will be built there, you might just as well pick any spot. The message is: to launch now while its cheap and while Russia and Kazakstan are still cooperating. Later, the story may be different. Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL " 9966,14,"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 Lines: 20 sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: > Allen, sometimes I think you're OK. And sometimes you tend to rashly leap in > making statement without thinking them out. > > Wanna guess which today? > > You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know > of a private Titan pad? Doug-- Actually, if memory serves, the Atlas is an outgrowth of the old Titan ICBM. If so, there's probably quite a few old pads, albeit in need of some serious reconditioning. Still, Being able to buy the turf and pad (and bunkers, including prep facility) at Midwest farmland prices strikes me as pretty damned cheap. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 " 9967,17,"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 >them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, >including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) > >Peace. >-marc > Boy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does not sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again, get a brain. " 9968,9,"From: (Steve Tomassi) Subject: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale Computing Center Lines: 39 Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? I mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, as is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in Eddie Murray and Jeff Reardon. Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody giving Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, marginal. Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors so liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if something isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? Ñ Steve " 9969,19,"From: dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) Subject: Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor Organization: Representing my own views here only. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Distribution: usa Lines: 97 regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes: : In article <1993Mar30.001428.7648@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) writes: : : Seriously, though, Griffen didn't save the lives of children, and he did : destroy the life of a man, so on the most superficial of levels, he's scum. : I almost agree, but Griffen is not scum. Scum has no guilt or freedom to choose anything. Griffen does. God did not make scum when he made Griffen. He made a precious person and this person chose to do wrong. The same goes for Dr. Gunn. : But if you are to examine it more closely, Griffen would have preferred that : these children were born -- yet AFTER their birth, did Griffen have any : assistance to offer them? Did Griffen intend to support them, educate them, : raise them up to be useful citizens? Did he have any intent whatsoever : to help these children after birth? : Here's the real problem. Americans have become so insensitive to the needs of others and so completely wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see straight or think clearly enough to make even the slightest and most obvious moral decisions based on reality. If a man abandons a woman to care for their child on her own, he is not considered to be a very respectable or decent man by anyone. This man has fled his responsibility, has behaved like a lazy coward, and has turned away from his responsibility to his wife and child. However, if a woman decides to kill her unborn child to release her burden, she is not thought of in the same way. When the man abandons, the woman suffers but the child is free to grow up and live a happy and normal life. When the woman abandons, the child is diced or killed with saline or vacuumed out, and the man has no choice, and the man sometimes suffers so badly that he wishes he could trade places with his child. Ths root of this whole problem is selfishness--the arrogance that says, ""My feelings and desires are supreme and your well being is not worth dung."" And when you come down to it, this is the substance of what hell is made of. It's the reason a loving God can throw selfish people to the devil and his demons for all of eternity. Let any one of us unrepentant into heaven, and we'll ruin it the first chance we get. : Now, I don't really know the answer to these questions, but I've got a real : good guess. : And, it's probably right. : And I wouldn't call *that* 'benevolent', either. : It is a move in the right direction. As it is now, we don't see our responsibility because we kill it and get it out of sight. The media backs us completely. Real responsibility does not sell. The only ""responsibility"" that sells in the marketplace is that which is just enough to make us ""feel responsible"" without showing anything that might show us our own true irresponsibility. We want to ""feel"" like good people, but we want nothing with *being* good people. Just give me the freedom to say ""I'm good"", and the rest of the world can burn. Rape and kill my children and throw my parents to the places where poor old folks rot until they're dead. I'll hate my brother and sister if I wish and I'll cheat on my wife or husband. Screw the government, because it screws me, and don't talk to me about giving to the church because church people are all a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites. But, I'm a good person. At least I admit what I do. At least I love myself and we all know that is the greatest love in the world--not that a man lay down his life for his brother...That sounds too ""christian"". At the root, this is the substance of what hell is made of. We've become a self indulgant, backslidden society no longer responsible to our children, to our parents, to our families, to our government, or to our God. This is the root behind justification of every evil, of every corruption in government, of every slanderous remark, of every lie, and of every murder. Society cannot continue to live like this long. it will have to destroy itsself soon, and perhaps in the end, that will be the biggest blessing this world can hope to see. Why do people see so much evil in trying to turn this situation around? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I deplore the horrible crime of child murder... We want prevention, not merely punishment. We must reach the root of the evil... It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed... No mater what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed... but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."" - Susan B. Anthony, The Revolution July 8, 1869 " 9970,5,"From: lapp@waterloo.hp.com (David Lapp) Subject: Re: NumLock masking? interference with Meta/Compose/ExtendChar, ... Nntp-Posting-Host: hppadan.waterloo.hp.com Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] Lines: 34 Ralph Seguin (rps@arbortext.COM) wrote: : > My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state : > of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? : Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and : found what I was looking for. : ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one : for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies : from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and : which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask). : eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris : 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an : unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any : given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance. You'll have to check the keysym(s) on each of the keys for each modifier. The one with NumLock in its mapping is the modifier you want. A bit ugly perhaps but I think its currently the only way to do this (and it does have some precedent as keysyms are used to differentiate CapsLock from ShiftLock for the Lock modifier). I don't know of an accepted strategy for handling ambiguous assignments either. (ie. what if NumLock is mapped for more then one modifier). I suppose first found is as good as any. X doesn't handle locking modifiers that well. Hope that helps, Dave Lapp Standard Disclaimer etc... " 9971,1,"From: ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) Subject: Re: images of earth Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: danebury.hursley.ibm.com Organization: IBM UK Labs Lines: 6 Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, ""APOLLO"") rather than under the image subject. Rick " 9972,0,"From: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division Lines: 50 In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: > |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > |> > > |> Deletions... > |> Er, Jon, what Ken said was: > |> > |> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately, > |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > |> most Jews did not survive. > |> > |> That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi. > > Hitler and the Nazis didn't spring fully formed from the forehead > of Athena. They didn't invent anti-semitism. They built on a > foundation of anti-semitism that was already present in Germany. > This foundation of anti-semitism was laid down, not by the Nazis, > but by the people I listed, and also by hundreds of years of unthinking, > knee-jerk bigotry, on the part of perfectly ordinary people, and, of > course, their pastors and priests. > > What we have to worry about today is not whether some Hollywood > Hitler in a black uniform is going to come striding onto the German > stage in one unprepared step, but whether those same bedrock foundations > of anti-semitism are being laid down, little by little, in Germany, > as we speak. > > And if so, they will be laid down, not by Hitlers and Himmlers, who > will come later, but by ""people like"" the poster in question. The > people who think that casual anti-semitism is acceptable, or even fun. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Deletions... > I did. Now may I suggest, with the greatest possible respect, that > you go read some history? > > jon. So, you consider the german poster's remark anti-semitic? Perhaps you imply that anyone in Germany who doesn't agree with israely policy in a nazi? Pray tell, how does it even qualify as ""casual anti-semitism""? If the term doesn't apply, why then bring it up? Your own bigotry is shining through. -- DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine solely and do not represent my employer in any way. F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com " 9973,0,"From: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Reply-To: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) Organization: Nottingham University Lines: 28 In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: |> I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' |> ve given me. |> |> Tammy If a person gives a well-balanced reasoned argument, Tammy, then all are happy to discuss it with him. If he makes astounding claims, which are not backed up with any evidence then he must be expected to substantiate them. If the original author had said that everything was his own opinion and not supportable then people would have simply ignored him. He did not. He claimed many things and his logic was seriously flawed. His argument was for christianity in an effort to try to convince atheists like myself to believe him and his message. I for one will not take things as read. If you told me that pink fluffy elephants did the dance of the sugar plum fairy on the dark side of Jupiter then I would demand evidence! Adda -- +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Adda Wainwright | Does dim atal y llanw! 8o) | | eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk | 8o) Mae .sig 'ma ar werth! | +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ " 9974,4,"From: ebth@rhi.hi.is (Eggert Thorlacius) Subject: Monitors and Video cards for SE/30 Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hengill.rhi.hi.is Hello all. I am thinking about buying an external monitor for my SE/30 and was wondering if anyone out in netland has any advice for me. I am mostly thinking about a 14"" color monitor and an 8 bit card that can switch between 640*480 and something higher (like 800*600). I read an old report on a card from Lapis that could do this, but could not use the external monitor as the main screen (with menubar) which to me is a major draw- back. Has this perhaps been fixed? Or can any other cards do this (like the Micron Xceed) ? Also which monitor should I buy? At the moment I am leaning towards the Sony 1304, 1304s or 1320 (what exactly is the difference between these?) but are there any other good cheap monitors I should know about? Doesn't the monitor have to be multisync to support cards that can switch resolutions? Please send me e-mail and I'll summarize. I would also greatly appreciate getting the e-mail addresses of any mail order companys that sell monitors or cards. Thanks in advance Eggert Thorlacius University of Iceland " 9975,17,"From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. In-Reply-To: mkaye@world.std.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:56:58 GMT Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University Lines: 15 In article mkaye@world.std.com (Martin Kaye) writes: Great interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on CNN - Larry King Live (4/15/93) This guy is knows what he is talking about. He is truely charismatic, articulate, intelligent, and demonstrates real leadership qualities. I agree, but I wish I liked his politics. -- Stewart M. Clamen Internet: clamen@cs.cmu.edu School of Computer Science UUCP: uunet!""clamen@cs.cmu.edu"" Carnegie Mellon University Phone: +1 412 268 2145 5000 Forbes Avenue Fax: +1 412 681 5739 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA " 9976,12,"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: Re: PC Parallel I/O Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 24 R >>>JD> ALL PC parallel ports that are compatable with the IBM standard, R >>>JD> including the original IBM adaptor, are bi-directional. NOT ALL PARALLEL PORTS ARE BI-DIRECTIONAL WITHOUT MODIFICATION. My experience with the standard old zenith parallel port in their original 286s proves that. They had the input direction disactiviated by tieing them R/W select line of the circuit to Vcc. To make it bi ( which I did ) I had to modify it by scraping off the trace and solder a jump to the proper location. I thought that this was just lazy on the part of Zenith ( they were not Zenith-Bull Group at that time). -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 9977,18,"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts? Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu In article cj@sgi.com writes: >vengeance. That's all. It's no deterrent. It serves no It seems to deter those who are executed from future criminal activity. >Yeah yeah yeah... and sure would be nice if we didn't apply the >death penalty disproportionately to minorities. I'll revisit my >opinion on the death penalty when there are more whites up for >it than blacks. I.e., when hell freezes over. Why don't you compare the rates at which blacks and whites commit crimes? Blacks commit crimes disproportionately, so in a perfectly fair penal system, blacks would be disproportionately represented. (Note: black vs. white crime rates is not a racial thing. It's probably an economic thing: poor people are more likely to commit crimes, and blacks are more likely to be poor. The way to reduce the proportion of minorities in prison is to increase the wealth of minorities.) --Tim Smith " 9978,16,"From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Subject: Re: Die Koresh Die! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 In article <1r04h8$q5a@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> tim@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Tim Tyler) writes: > I was hoping that --however the situation was resolved-- the >property would remain intact, so the gov't could sell it to help pay for the >hundreds of thousands of dollars of expenses incurred having to babysit >Krazy Koresh & his flock of sheep. > In some South American countries, after political undesirables disappeared, the family would get a notice of death and a bill for the disposal of the body. You apparently think that would be a good idea. The Federal Government initiated this action against Koresh and his followers, surrounded them for 51 days, engaged in psychological warfare, used heavy military equipment against US citizens on US soil; and now that the compound caught fire while they were pumping in CS gas after knocking holes in the building; disavows all responsibility. Big Brother is NOT always right. *** Paul Eric Stoufflet *** Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center *** internet: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu *** All opinions are my own " 9979,3,"From: badry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Badry Jason Theodore) Subject: Chaining IDE drives Summary: Trouble with Master/Slave drives Nntp-Posting-Host: cab009.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 16 Hi. I am trying to set up a Conner 3184 and a Quantum 80AT drive. I have the conner set to the master, and the quantum set to the slave (doesn't work the other way around). I am able to access both drives if I boot from a floppy, but the drives will not boot themselves. I am running MSDOS 6, and have the Conner partitioned as Primary Dos, and is formatted with system files. I have tried all different types of setups, and even changed IDE controller cards. If I boot from a floppy, everything works great (except the booting part :)). The system doesn't report an error message or anything, just hangs there. Does anyone have any suggestions, or has somebody else run into a similar problem? I was thinking that I might have to update the bios on one of the drives (is this possible?). Any suggestions/answers would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to: Jason Badry badry@cs.ualberta.ca " 9980,6,"From: pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King) Subject: PC, NETWORK and OFFICE EQUIPMENT - LONG (Repost, Lower Prices!) Keywords: PC,LAN,Novell,ethernet,IBM,laser,copier Distribution: na Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco Lines: 161 NEW POSTING, LOWER PRICES!! MAKE OFFERS ON ANYTHING THAT SEEMS INTERESTING!! A company I'm associated with is closing out some inventory and office equipment. Here's what's available: Quan. Item Description Price ea. ******* NEW ADDITIONS!! ******** 1 NOVELL * 100 USER * version of BEST OFFER NETWARE 2.15 ADVANCED NETWARE 286, with TTS, SFT II System Fault Tolerance level (Remember II (Disk Duplexing, Mirroring), v2.2 sells Transaction Tracking (Fault for $3000 Tolerant File System), etc. for 100 Just the manuals alone take users! up a foot and a half of shelf space! 1 HAYES LANSTEP HAYES Peer-to-Peer LAN $40 Starter Package OPERATING SYSTEM and email. NetBIOS compatible, expands up to 128 users. UNOPENED. 1 Canon NP1010 Great little COPY MACHINE - $200 makes great copies (just needs toner) Reduce, Enlarge, etc. Very Good Condition, a bargain! (End of new items) 2 Bytex RingOut Token Ring Cable and MAU (Was $750) testing and certification tool. This is the standard NOW: $625 HANDHELD TESTING UNIT used by large companies such as Coca Cola and American Express to certify their physical layer. Current retail price: $1495. These are demo or NEW. 1 Microtest Lanmodem Excellent MODEM SERVER for Novell (Was Networks. Supports ""Remote LAN $900) Node"" indial, modem pooling, and LAN to LAN asynchronous routing. NOW: Ethernet version. Current retail $750 price: $2000 13 Microtest Lanport Standalone ETHERNET PRINT WAS: $200 AUI --> COM1 SERVER for Novell Networks (The Intel NetportII is NOW: $150 ea. based on this. Original retail: $595) Most of these are BRAND NEW. 12 Microtest Lanport See above "" BNC --> COM1 11 Microtest Lanport See above "" BNC --> COM1, COM2 3 Microtest Lanport See above "" AUI --> COM1, COM2 4 Microtest Lanport See above "" AUI --> LPT1 1 Microtest Lanport See above "" BNC --> LPT1 2 Token Ring MAU 8-port IBM 8228 clone $100 5 Milan MIL-03P AUI to 10BaseT Mini TRANSCEIVER (WAS: $50) NOW: $40 1 QMS SmartWriter 8/3X HP LaserJet PLUS Compatible (WAS $400) LASER PRINTER. 8 ppm, 300 dpi. Based on the Canon Engine, it NOW: $325 has serial and IBM TWINAX ports. Emulates HP, Epson FX, IBM Proprinter, Diablo, and Qume. Downloads HP fonts. Reliable! 2 IBM Quietwriter 2 Quiet, letter-quality PRINTER. $100 1 sheet at a time feed. Have extra ribbon cartridges. 1 IBM Tractor Feed For the Quietwriter above. $25 3 IBM PC/XT Compatible Misc PC/XT compatible COMPUTERS, (WAS: some are ""PCs Limited"" (original $150) DELL Computer Co.), some are ""Tech PC/XT"". These come with NOW: at least a 20 MB hard disk, a $125 360 KB floppy, monochrome video card, keyboard, and 640 kb of memory. 3 IBM PC/AT or Compatible Some of these are original IBM (WAS: $200- AT's, some are TURBO clones. $250) Clone brands include Tandon, Acer, and Everex. Standard NOW: $175- equipment is the same as above, $200 except most have 30-40 MB hard drives, and 1 1.2 MB floppy. 4 Amber Monitor for PC IBM Compatible Monochrome TTL $20 type, brands vary, including Samsung, Magnavox, and ADI. (Mostly want to stay local on these - too hard to ship) 2 IBM 5151 Green Monitor Ubiquitous IBM PC Display, $20 Monochrome TTL type. (Local - see above) 1 Zenith ZFL181-92 LAPTOP PC. Full-Size and Full- (WAS $300) Travel keyboard, XT compatible, Backlit Supertwist (?) Display, NOW: $250 Dual 720k floppies. 1 Accton EtherCoax-8W 8-bit, BNC ETHERNET INTERFACE (WAS: $60) card for PC compatibles. This unit is nicely made (mostly NOW: $45 (Also have 1 used, BO) surface mount) clone of the ubiquitous Western Digital WD-8003E. NEW in box with disk. 6 Western Digital WD8003E The ""real McCoy"" version of the $50 above. Drivers are available for just about anything. Used. Surprising performance for an 8 bit card. No DMA hassles. 1 Hedaka 2400 Modem Internal, for PC Compatibles. (WAS: $35) In box, almost new, works fine. NOW: $25 1 Hayes 1200B Internal Internal 1200 real HAYES modem $15 for PC compatibles. Untested. Terms on the above are C.O.D., shipping extra. As usual, offers are welcome, but I think most of these prices are more than fair. Most of this equipment is tested and working perfectly, unless otherwise noted. Please contact me via email as follows: pk@wet.com {netcom,hoptoad}!wet!pk Thanks! " 9981,9,"From: spl2@po.cwru.edu (Sam Lubchansky) Subject: Re: Joe Robbie Stadium ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" Article-I.D.: po.spl2.114.734131045 Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: b61644.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes: >From: iacs3650@Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) >Subject: Joe Robbie Stadium ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" >Date: 6 Apr 93 02:50:27 GMT >Did anyone notice the words ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" printed on the picture >of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA >Today? Any reason given for this? > I would assume that the words (I saw the picture) indicated that those SEATS will not be available for baseball games. If you look at the picture of the diamond in the stadium, in relation to the areas marked ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"", those seats just look terrible for watching baseball. Now, if they should happen to reach the post-season, I would imagine that they would consider opening some of those seats up, but that is surely a worry of the future. Sam Lubchansky spl2@po.cwru.edu ""In the champion, people see what they'd like to be. In the loser, they see what they actually are, and they treat him with scorn."" ""Sugary condiments secure initial pleasure, but fermented grain is decidedly more parsimonious of time."" " 9982,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15209 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 42 In article , s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > In article <15150@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >In article , drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes: # #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # #or beliefs of the other person. # # Cramer, you are off your target again. The law *forces* no one to obey # it. At every point any individual may stand up and say *this law # sucks*. Even you could say this. Gay men and women have not *forced* You mean they passed a law that does nothing at all? No enforcement mechanisms? As usual, you are wrong. # any off this. Changes in the law have been brought about by # democratic* processes, those same processes are the ones that protect # you from certain abuses. Yeah, right. I guess the next time a homosexual complains about sodomy laws, I can just echo your stupidity about ""democratic processes"" and he won't have any basis for complaint. # #I must admit that I never understood why it is referred to as an # #abomination, until I started to read soc.motss, and started finding # #evidence that homosexuality is a response to child molestation -- # #which is disproportionately done by homosexuals. (Just to make # #Brian Kane happy -- 30% of molestation is done by homosexuals and # #bisexuals, but it is possible that this is because homosexual/bisexual # #molesters have far more victims than heterosexual molesters.) # # No it isn't. No it isn't. No it isn't and it depends on the subset # (note *subset*) of abuse you look at. Repeating it three times makes it more correct? # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! # #Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. # # * Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 9983,13,"From: Mark W. Dubin Subject: Re: ringing ears Originator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Reply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu Organization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder Lines: 31 jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes: >A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. [etc.] A. Folks, do we have an FAQ on tinnitus yet? B. As a lo-o-o-ong time sufferer of tinnitus and as a neuroscientist who has looked over the literature carefully I believe the following are reasonable conclusions: 1. Millions of people suffer from chronic tinnitus. 2. The cause it not understood. 3. There is no accepted treatment that cures it. 4. Some experimental treatments may have helped some people a bit, but there have be no reports--even anecdotal--of massive good results with any of these experimental drugs. 5. Some people with chronic loud tinnitus use noise blocking to get to sleep. 6. Sudden onset loud tinnitus can be caused by injuries and sometimes abates or goes away after a few months. 7. Aspirin is well known to exacerbate tinnitus in some people. 8. There is a national association of tinnitus sufferers in the US. 9. One usually gets used to it. Especially when concentrating on something else the tinnitus becomes unnoticed. 10. Stress and lack of sleep make tinnitus more annoying, sometimes. 11. I'm sure those of us who have it wish there was a cure, but there is not. Mark dubin the ol' professor " 9984,10,"From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 27 In article rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Angelo Pleshar) writes: >In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on ""free"" TV and 6 games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on a subscription basis. You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no more ""radio-only"" games. Its a good deal. Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin ""breaking up the team"". Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money. He comes up with a creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch some more. Everybody wants something for nothing. Dean -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean J. Falcione ""Badges? What badges? We (using jrmst8 by permission Don't need no stinkin' of the owner, Joe McDonald) badges!"" " 9985,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 34 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> In article <93Apr20.011634edt.47719@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, |> cbo@cs.toronto.edu (Calvin Bruce Ostrum) wrote: |> > In article |> > sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> > | I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity |> > | knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think |> > | the actions today would produce a good picture of your |> > | religion? |> > Clearly all people considering themselves Christians are all alike, |> > and support one another in everything they do. In particular, it |> > follows that they certainly will support all the actions of any |> > other person calling himself a Christian... NOT. |> |> I see, there are Christians, and there are Christians. No wonder |> the Christian world is in shambles, you can't even agree who |> is a rightful one and a wrong one. |> If one does not follow the teachings of Christ, he is NOT Christian. Too easy? |> Please, I would like to hear your comments about a supposed |> Christian leader that makes sure that children are burnt to |> death. |> Would you say all Muslims are like Saddam Hussein? I wouldn't make such a blanket judgement, why do you? |> Kent |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 9986,5,"From: Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela) Subject: Raster and Text Widgets (View only!), Xew-1.3 version Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland Lines: 18 Distribution: comp Reply-To: savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela) NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Version 1.3 of Xew widgets is available at export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.tar.Z export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.README For better details, check the README. (For extensive details, you have to with Xew-1.1.ps.Z, still haven't had time to update this one). No new functionality has been added since 1.2 version. Raster widget handles now expose events slightly more intelligently than before (really had to do this when I added a simple program that uses X11R5 Athena Porthole and Panner widgets). The program demo/viewer.c is very simple demonstration of panner/porthole usage (copied from'editres' actually :-) -- Markku Savela (savela@tel.vtt.fi), Technical Research Centre of Finland Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland " 9987,17,"From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen) Subject: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Lines: 40 In today's Israeline posting, at the end (an afterthought?), I read: > More Money Allocated to Building Infrastructure in Territories to > Create Jobs for Palestinians > > KOL YISRAEL reports that public works geared at building > infrastructure costing 140 million New Israeli Shekels (about 50 > million dollars) will begin Sunday in the Territories. This was > announced last night by Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Finance > Minister Avraham Shohat in an effort to create more jobs for > Palestinian residents of the Territories. This infusion of money > will bring allocations given to developing infrastructure in the > Territories this year to 450 million NIS, up from last year's > figure of 120 million NIS. While I applaud investing of money in Yehuda, Shomron, v'Chevel-Azza, in order to create jobs for their residents, I find it deplorable that this has never been an active policy of any Israeli administration since 1967, *with regard to their Jewish residents*. Past governments found funds to subsidize cheap (read: affordable) housing and the requisite infrastructure, but where was the investment for creating industry (which would have generated income *and* jobs)? After 26 years, Yehuda and Shomron remain barren, bereft of even middle-sized industries, and the Jewish settlements are sterile ""bedroom communities"", havens for (in the main) Israelis (both secular *and* religious) who work in Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem but cannot afford to live in either city or their surrounding suburbs. There's an old saying: ""bli giboosh, ayn kivoosh"" -- just living there wasn't enough, we had to *really* settle it. But instead, we ""settled"" for Potemkin villages, and now we are paying the price (and doing for others what we should have done for ourselves). -- Yonatan B. Horen | Jews who do not base their advocacy of Jewish positions and (408) 736-3923 | interests on Judaism are essentially racists... the only horen@netcom.com | morally defensible grounds for the preservation of Jews as a | separate people rest on their religious identity as Jews. " 9988,5,"From: Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 19-Apr-93 Monthly Question about XCop.. Buzz Moschetti@bear.com (1055) > A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the > Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() > (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the > new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler > that handles ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven > exposures) take care of rendering the new image. Hmmm.... Clearly? Depends on your programming model. It is not at all forbidden to draw outside the context of an expose event. Certainly any internal data structures should be maintained such that the visual appearance would be maintained properly whenever an expose event happens to be generated. This doesn't preclude drawing immediately after updating the datastructures though... -Rob " 9989,15,"From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: Confession & communion Lines: 14 04 Apr 93, David Cruz-Uribe writes to All: DC> Also, what is Orthodox practice regarding communion? I read DC> a throw-away remark someplace that the Orthodox receive less DC> frequently than Catholics do, but was is their current practice? DC> Have their been any variations historically? I think Orthodox practice varies from place to place, from parish to parish and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In some parishes here in South Africa the only ones who receive communion are infants (i.e. children under 7). In our parish it is expected that one will have been to Vespers and confessional prayers the evening before, and that one will have been fasting. As we have to travel 70km to the church, we don' t receive communion every Sunday, but about every third Sunday. Steve --- GoldED 2.40 " 9990,3,"Subject: HELP: is my monitor dying??? From: edwin@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Edwin Ng) Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 25 Hi. Recently my svga monitor has been acting up by taking about 3 minutes to warm up. Previously, when I first start up my PC I can see all the CMOS messages (RAM test ...etc) but now I've got to wait for about 3min before the display shows anything and it starts up with a bright white flash. This only happens when the system has been off for a long time (eg overnight). If it was only off for a couple of hours and then turned on again, the display works as normal like before. Does anyone know what is causing this? Is it a warning that it will give up soon or just signs of aging (the system is a 386sx and its about 3 yrs old). I've used systems at work for years and never seen this happen to a monitor yet. I'd really appreciated any help that you fellow netters can offer. Thanks a lot. Edwin -- ----------------------------------------------------- * Edwin Ng (edwin@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz) * * E&E Engineering, University of Auckland * * Private Bag 92019, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND * " 9991,17,"From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) Subject: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL Lines: 20 In article arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: >Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > ........ The problem if transffering US government files about Yigal Arens and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law forum not to this forum. The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents of those files. So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: 1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? 2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? 3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an additional information should he send them ? Gideon Ehrlich " 9992,2,"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: Windows gripe... Article-I.D.: helios.downs.189.734061833 Organization: UNLV Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu > There's one thing about Windows that really frosts me. >I have 20MB of RAM installed in my system. I use a 5MB (2.5MB >under Windows) disk-cache, and a 4MB permanent swap file. > > While I can never fill the memory up, I still have problems >sometimes because I run out of GDI resources. What gives? >I think Windows could manage these resources a little better. > Are you using Windows 3.0 or 3.1? If you're still on 3.0, 3.1 devotes about twice as much memory to these and runs out much less frequently. If 3.1, you might use one of the resource monitors (such as the one that comes with the Windows 3.1 Resource Kit or one of the many shareware ones available) to see which programs are hogging the resources (every icon, internal graphics brush, etc. in every program running uses a certain amount of this limited memory area. Also, some don't give it back when they're finished). Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu " 9993,8,"From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) Subject: Observation re: helmets X-AltNet-ID: 211353 Lines: 29 Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. Then, while it was drying, I realized that I was out of smokes and that my cage is not currently running... So I ""had to"" take my bike down to the store. Not wanting to mess up my paint job, I said ""Well, heck. I can just use my old helmet"".... this is your standard el cheapie openface... I didn't notice a big difference when I switched TO the shoei, but switching back was really bad... 1) Doesn't fit worth a damn, too wide in the sides, too short front to back... 2) With a faceplate, it's still bloody windy... with the shoei, I normally ignore the face shield until I get up to about 30ish... with this one, taxiing to the end of the driveway was too smegging much wind. The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely passenger? " 9994,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 20 Nabil Ayoub writes: >As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a >common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of >Monophysitism was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not >believe in Monophysitism. Sorry! What does the Coptic Church believe about the will and energy of Christ? Were there one or were there two (i.e. Human and Divine) wills and energies in Him. Also, what is the objection ot the Copts with the Pope of Rome (i.e. why is there a Coptic Catholic Church)? Do you reject the supreme jurisdiction of the 263rd sucessor of St. Peter (who blessed St. John Mark, Bishop of Alexandria was translator for) and his predecessors? Or his infallibility? Or what other things perhaps? Andy Byler " 9995,10,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 50 In article 1676@mala.bc.ca, apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >> >> To adjust +/-: >> >> 1. First calculate a teams +/-. (Goals Scored - PP Goals Scored) - >> (Goals allowed - PP Goals Allowed (when they were penalty killing)). >> >> 2. Divide this number by 5 to take into account of the fact that there >> are 5 players on the ice and each is 1/5 responsible for the team +/-. >> >> 3. A players adjusted +/- is (His raw +/-) - (Team Adjustment). >> >> BTW If anyone could calculate and post adjusted +/- ratings it would be >> greatly appreciated. I might find the time to do so- but don't count on >> it. > >I have a database filter set up for the player stats. When it is posted for >the end of season I'll repost the team averages. You don't need to go through >the complicated team adjustment you are using - all you need is the team >average by summing all the individual players' +\- and divide by the total >number of players on the team. This will be a little distorted because the >players who have been traded recently will have come with +\- scores based >on their original teams. This shouldn't distort it too bad though. If you >want to look at individual players from this perspective then go ahead - >you'll require the original player stats though. Question: If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/- by 40? If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally valuable as a player who plays in all of them. >Another way of looking at the same thing is to compare the deviation from >the mean for the team of the player to the standard deviation for the team. >I'll post both. Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how ""transferable"" between teams that these stats are. Shouldn't the average standard deviation in the league be used? I am interested in seeing each method. But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity. Gregmeister " 9996,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Distribution: usa Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 111 In article <1993Apr14.164549.24069@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes: > In article <15342@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # # # And now those ""other options"" don't exist. We probably agree on this # # # more than you think--welfare was invented to solve a problem of the # # # 30's, but the poverty is now so much worse, and our economic infra- # # # structure has been so eroded, that it just can't keep up any more. # # # You mean, since your philosophy took over, the economy has almost # # collapsed. # # Excuse me, *my* philosophy? You don't have any idea what *my* philosophy # is. The American economy has had its ups and downs through a number of # prevailing economic philosophies. But then, economics is hardly a science. In my lifetime, your philosophy -- socialism masquerading as a liberal welfare state -- has been in ascendancy. # No, I mean exactly what I wrote--the welfare system of the New Deal is # wholly inadequate to cope with the current state of affairs. Absolutely. So the response of socialists is take us even further into socialism. # # # # # (2) Whether or not the fathers work # # # # # is not germane to single mothers. # # # # # Very true. But the promotion of casual sexuality is something that # # # # plays a part in the single mother problem. # # # # I'll buy that--and there's lots of reasons for it, extremely far down on # # # the list being the flash-in-the-pan media attention a bunch of middle- # # # class dropouts got for their philosophy and experimentation. # # # Flash-in-the-pan? No, your subculture has utterly dominated the # # TV and movie industries for two decades now. # # *My* subculture? My, we're getting personal. The only subculture I see # dominating the TV and movie industries is *money*. If you'll buy it, # they'll sell it. And as recent movements to boycott TV advertisers have # shown, they're *very* sensitive about what sells. Whatever happened to # personal responsibility, anyway? Or am I personally responsible for # the decline in that, too? To the extent that people have been encouraged to NOT be responsible for themselves, yes. # # # # Come on. You and I both know that the major problem of this society # # # # today isn't a lack of employment, it's a lack of people willing to work. # # # # Huh??? Tell that to the single mother I know who was laid off from # # # her $10/hour job at a hospital and now works 2 full-time minimum- # # # wage jobs to barely be able to support herself and her kid. *Barely.* # # # Hey, she's too proud to go on public assistance, but the only jobs # # # she can find are menial and with no benefits. And no career path # # # either--they find excuses to lay people off and hire new ones rather # # # than give raises and perks. And why not? It's a lot cheaper. # # # Oddly enough, all the unskilled or semiskilled people I know manage # # to find employment almost immediately. Maybe she needs to move to a # # cheaper part of the country, where jobs are plentiful, and the cost # # of living is lower. # # The west side of Chicago is about as cheap as it gets--squalor city. # Tell me about all these places where it's cheap to live and jobs are # abundant--I'll pass them on. Sonoma County. # You live in a strange and wondrous place, sir. Inexpensive housing, Not exactly cheap, but not Los Angeles, either. # lots of employment, and utterly surrounded by socialists. Well, I suppose # that's the sort of environment that would attract socialists, or at least # not dissuade them. No, it's that areas with a lot of wealthy breed socialists -- all the spoiled rich kids, feeling guilty about their wealth. But not guilty enough to give it away -- they just look for politicians to take MY more limited wealth away. # # # I see a lot of people willing--nay, eager--to work. What I don't see # # # is a system that makes it at all feasible to do so. It's not just # # # welfare, which nobody enjoys, but there just aren't the jobs any more. # # # When the US was expanding industrial capacity there was always a mill # # # to go work in--skills to learn, a future. Now there's only McDonalds. # # # Odd. Not the experience of anyone I know. Just the opposite. # # In California??? Yup. # # # Mr. Cramer, I was there: Hippiedom was a very low-budget operation. # # # Our drugs were cheap. # # # The money I was referring to was Aid to Families with Druggie # # Cohabitators (AFDC). # # Well, I doubt that much of this goes to drugs--there isn't much left after # buying food, and there is very little in the first place. Sure, you read # about such cases now and then, but that's what makes them news. Show me # your statistics about AFDC abuse. I can tell you that relatives I have known, the drugs came first, the food was secondary. # Ken Perlow ***** ***** -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 9997,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Cold-blooded slaughter of Muslim women and children by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 91 In article <1993Apr17.011112.27439@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes: >Hmm. Maybe I'll go rent Midnight Express tonight. I haven't seen that >scene in awhile; I have to savor the moment all over again. Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin? As in the past in Turkiye, and today in Azerbaijan, for utopic and idiotic causes the Armenians brought havoc to their neighbors. A short-sighted and misplaced nationalistic fervor with a wrong agenda and anachronistic methods the Armenians continue to become pernicious for the region. As usual, they will be treated accordingly by their neighbors. Nagorno-Karabag is a mountainous enclave that lies completely within Azerbaijan with no border or history whatsoever connected to x-Soviet Armenia. Besides the geographical aspect, Nagorno-Karabag is the historic homeland and the 'cradle' of the artistic and literary heritage of Azerbaijan, which renders the Armenian claims preposterous, even lunatic. And we still demand: 1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; 2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and Kurdish people; 3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; 4. that all world governments officially recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse to succumb to all Armenian political pressure. The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Now what would you do? Source: 'The Sunday Times,' 1 March 1992 (a British Weekly, written by Thomas Goltz, from Agdam, Azerbaijan.) ARMENIAN SOLDIERS MASSACRE HUNDREDS OF FLEEING FAMILIES. The spiralling violence gripping the outer republics of the former Soviet Union gained new impetus yesterday with cold-blooded slaughter of hundreds of women and children in war-racked Nagorno-Karabakh. Survivors reported that Armenian soldiers shot and bayoneted more than 450 Azeris, many of them women and children, who were fleeing an attack on their town. Hundreds, possibly thousands, were missing and feared dead. The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees. The few survivors later described what happened:"" That's when the real slaughter began,"" said Azer Hajiev, one of three soldiers to survive. ""The Armenians just shot and shot. And then they came in and started carving up people with their bayonets and knives."" "" They were shooting, shooting, shooting"", echoed Rasia Aslanova, who arrived in Agdam with other women and children who made their way through Armenian lines. She said her husband, Kayun, and a son-in-law were killed in front of her. Her daughter was still missing. One boy who arrived in Agdam had an ear sliced off. The survivors said 2000 others, some of whom had fled separately, were still missing in the gruelling terrain; many could perish from their wounds or the cold. By late yesterday, 479 deaths had been registered at the morgue in Agdam's morgue, and 29 bodies had been buried in the cemetery. Of the seven corpses I saw awaiting burial, two were children and three were women, one shot through the chest at point blank range. Agdam hospital was a scene of carnage and terror. Doctors said they had 140 patients who escaped slaughter, most with bullet injuries or deep stab wounds. Nor were they safe in Agdam. On friday night rockets fell on the city which has a population of 150,000, destroying several buildings and killing one person. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 9998,10,"From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) Subject: Re: Blackhawks win!!! Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns..edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes... >The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the >Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the >Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against >the Wings. > >Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!! I would appreciate it if you would not refer to Mr. Maynard by his initials. Thanks, see you in the Norris finals. Ron ********** ""And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal with new problems."" ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93 " 9999,6,"From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford) Subject: Selling Riding Lawn Mower Organization: AT&T Distribution: nj Summary: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale Lines: 26 1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER This mower is in perfect condition and contains the following features: - Electric Start - 26 inch cut - Double Rear Baggers - New Battery - New Engine (one year old) - Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride) - Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride) I am moving into a house that has a small area of grass to cut and does not require such large mower. The engine was replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to some faulty work done by a lawn mower repair shop. PRICE: $600.00 PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Leave Message) " 10000,7,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 21 In article <9833@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) writes: > >It shouldn't be THAT hard if you know much about digital electronics. If the >counter is made with standard TTL chips, all you should need to do is find >the chip(s) used for counting, figure out what mileage you want to put in, >and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low/high (you'd also have >to know what the conventions are for low and high). It might be a little more >involved than this, but it shouldn't be beyond someone with a BSEE or BS EET. >All the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using >a ""translation table"" stored in ROM. > Nobody is using discrete IC's to do these functions anymore if at all. I doubt any of the Motor electronics had any to start with. ...Much less TTL. I can almost guarantee that it'll a fruitless attempt to figure out how BMW does it without breaking anything and invalidating any warranty on the car. If you're lucky, you'd still be able to start the car. " 10001,7,"From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) Subject: Re: Automotive crash test, performance and maintenance stats? Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 23 < west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: >Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) > >Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. The Illiad contains more than one word. Ergo: it can not be the Word of God. But, if you will humbly agree that it is the WORDS of God, I will conceed. :-D --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. " 10004,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Thief goes to Paradise; Kermit goes off tangent Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 65 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Kermit Tensmeyer quoted from a few sources and then wrote something. I will attempt to construct a facsimile of what was previously said, and then address Kermit's offering. John Redelfs originally wrote... jr> I learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his jr> death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse. It jr> requires faith in Christ proven by following him, by keeping his jr> commandments. Such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed. Tom Albrecht responded... ta> So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. John Redelfs wrote back that... jr> Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. jr> Refer to John 14:2. I responded to John that... rw> I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise. rw> rw> Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved rw> may enter paradise. To which Kermit wrote... kt> Incomplete reference: kt> kt> See also the discussion: Did Jesus go into Hell in the BibleStudy group kt> for the arguments that Paradise and Hell(sheol) are places after death kt> The discussion (no LDS were involved as far as I could see) argued using kt> standard Christian argument from the Bible that pretty much support the kt> LDS position. kt> kt> Christ went to paridise after his death and burial. kt> kt> He taught the prisoners and freed them from Darkness. kt> kt> When he was resurrected, he had not yet ascended to his father. kt> kt> The arguement centered around what was or wasn't the proper biblical kt> terms for those places. I respond. The question that was raised was not if Jesus went to infernal Paradise before entering into heaven. No one has made a point for or against that issue, nor have they compared the LDS position against orthodox belief. The infernal paradise is held to be Abraham's bosom (Luke 16), the place of the righteous dead in sheol (equivalent to hades). The point that was raised by John was that someone could not repent on their death bed. Tom Albrecht pointed to a Biblical example that was contradictory to what John's position put forward. The thief on the cross was promised by Christ to be with Him in Paradise, the abode of the righteous dead. John's position possibly needs to be reworked. Kermit needs to address the topic at hand. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu " 10005,1,"From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote: : renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: : >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its : >""current directory"". : I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use : to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then : invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file : is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. I posted this as well before the cview ""expert"". Apparently, he thought he knew better. Matthew Zenkar mz@moscom.com " 10006,9,"From: ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Article-I.D.: news.C51uC6.BL1 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 9 I totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked like a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball all day. I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. Watching the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about what the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til Sandberg returns! " 10007,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Candlestick Park experience (long) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 19 craige@sad.hp.com (Craig Eid) writes: >These things should have been done a long time ago, but it took a real >businessman (ex - Safeway President Peter Magowan) to figure it out. Just >like he used to tell his checkers, ""If the customers don't come back, I don't >need as many checkers"". This isn't a knock on Bob Lurie - he was a competent >businessman but he didn't deal much with the general public. Interesting article, Craig. It's amazing how hard it is to get baseball teams to understand how to properly market their teams and treat their customers. No other business could ever get away with the 19th century attitudes that most current owners display in running their clubs. I guess the owners look at baseball's high growth rate and ask why it's necessary to bring 20th century business practices into the game, but they don't realize how much more growth the game is capable of and how much they pay in terms of long-term popularity by not doing better by the game and its fans. Greg " 10008,2,"From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) Subject: Workgroup Questions (conven. ram and licensing) Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 37 I would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few questions about Windows for Workgroups. I currently have Novell Netware Lite which does not work with Windows very well and is a conventional memory hog (ver. 1.1). I am considering moving all our machines to W4WG. Q1: How much conventional ram does W4WG use over and above the driver for the network card? Q2: If I have a Novell NE2000 card, are the LSL and IPX drivers still needed? Q3: Does W4WG do a license check over the network to ensure each machine is running its own licenced copy of W4WG? (Note: I do not want to break the license agreement and I will buy a copy of W4WG for each of our machines, it is just that I would like to try it out first to see if it meets our needs. Returning one opened copy is much easier than returning N opened copies.) Q4: If you buy the upgrade to Windows 3.1 for W4WG does it replace all of Win 3.1 as you install it or does it depend on current Win 3.1 files? Q5: If I install Windows NT on my server when it comes out, will I have any troubles with the W4WG machines? When I started this message, I was going to ask only 2 questions but I got carried away. I'll stop now ;-). I look forward to your replies. Al -- Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew " 10009,5,"From: edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tom NGUYEN) Subject: How to resolve different font formats ...? Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lims01.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi All! I tried to run SoftPC, a PC emulation software program, installed on a Silicon Graphics workstation from a Human Design System (HDS) X terminal, and everything went fine, except the fonts could NOT be converted from one type of format to the other - HDS uses different font format from SGI worksation. So, I have the following questions: 1. How do you resolve different font formats from different machines? 2. Is there a program to convert one type of font format to another? If you have similar problems/experiences and have found a solution, please let me know. Your help will be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance for your help and information. Tom Nguen edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov " 10010,7,"From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17 Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Distribution: us Lines: 19 In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu>, bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes: > rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: > >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local > >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? > > Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. > > You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as > George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, > who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. > > > On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers > for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be. > Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do > with people of all ages. I didn't know George could drive a bulldozer! " 10011,1,"From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 17 In ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes: >Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number >of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as >things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, ""APOLLO"") rather than under >the image subject. > For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere. E-mail me and I'll send it you... Louis -- I'm hanging on your words, Living on your breath, Feeling with your skin, Will I always be here? -- In Your Room [ DM ] " 10012,2,"From: sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway Lines: 11 Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need. I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows. I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. Do I find it on any FTP host? Svein " 10013,13,"From: mdf0@shemesh.GTE.com (Mark Feblowitz) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? <1qht2d$8pg@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> <1qhu7s$d3u@agate.berkeley.edu> Reply-To: mfeblowitz@gte.com Organization: GTE Laboratories Inc. Lines: 17 In-reply-to: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 21:03:56 GMT In article <1qhu7s$d3u@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: It's worse than that -- there *is* no such thing as a double-blind study on the effects of MSG, by virtue of the fact that MSG changes the taste of food in a characteristic way that is detectable by the subject and that cannot be duplicated by a placebo. Common! You can easily disguise to flavor of MSG by putting it in a capsule. Then, the study becomes a double blind of MSG capsules against control capsules (containing exactly the same contents minus the MSG). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Feblowitz, GTE Laboratories Inc., 40 Sylvan Rd. Waltham, MA 02254 mfeblowitz@GTE.com, (617) 466-2947, fax: (617) 890-9320 " 10014,5,"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: How 2 Get Fontname from Fonstruct ??? Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Anyone know how an application can retrieve the name of the font from an application given an XFontStruct *? Would XGetFontProperty work if I passed XA_FONT_NAME? anyone know details of this? Thanks in advance. Brian -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan " 10015,16,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorad <1993Apr19.203606.27625@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr19.203606.27625@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > >In article <93108.172544U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz > >>The point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with g >bein >>a gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in s >thi >>area (or in the state of illinois for that matter). > >Right - it nas nothing to do with whther or not the person >is/was a gang member, but that's what Kratz inferred.... > >Wrong - there are people who can legally carry concealed in IL and >there are circumstances under which MANY people can carry concealed. > >Is accuracy really too much to expect? > >-andy >-- No it's not. If you would have read my other post I was accurate. Here's what I said: [material from another post]-------------------------> The other point that I would like to make because I know it's true (looked this one up in the Illinois this is for you Andy-----> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ statutes before) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in Illinois. ^^^^^^^^ <------ Also for you Andy. And then I went on to say: There is no such thing as a CCW for us ordinary folk here. [end of quoted material] Of course I forgot to mention who ""us ordinary folk"" are so just for Andy I'm going to go to the library tomorrow and photocopy the part of the Illinois statutes with this information and post it. Ordinary citizens CAN NOT get a license to carry a concealed weapon. There are very few people who can. I even asked my lawyer friend about this and he told me that only certain people can get licenses for concealed carry. He couldn't remember which people but he knew for sure that regular citizens couldn't get that type of license. He told me to go check at the library for the statutes which I did. I'll post that info tomorrow night. Until then....... Jason " 10016,8,"From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright) Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!) Organization: Pages Software Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr16.171211.5772@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) writes: > In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes: > >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote: > >>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick > >>: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) > >> > >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried > >>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too > >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any > >>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy > >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that > >>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly, > >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any? There's an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on women's attire for serious and not-so-serious riding. They do mention who makes stuff specific for women's dimensions, and what also works OK enough as well. Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Wright ""Now how the hell did Pages Software Inc. DoD #0823 THAT come outa my mouth?"" '86 VFR700f2 " 10017,3,"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: US Robotics info wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 11 Could someone please give me some info regarding the USR Sportsters that have recently dropped below $200? I was going to buy a used Courier v32bis external without fax for $200 but now I see the Sportster with Fax is selling below $200 brand new! Are these good modems? What warranty do they carry? Any info very much appreciated. Kevin hollyk@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca " 10018,12,"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 88 In article <1993Apr20.183416.18744@dres.dnd.ca> sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes: > >-- > >I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an >IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in >daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward >30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. > >I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give >information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the >angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), >possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp >current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I >would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. > >Has anyone done something like this? > >Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca >(403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 A method which will directly (almost) provide you with the information that you require is that which is commonly used for coordinate measurements of human body landmarks (eg. the SELSPOT system by SELSPOT AB, Sweden, and the WATSMART System ??). These use lateral photoeffect detectors [Lindholm and Oberg, 1974; Woltring and Marsolais, 1980] to determine the position of a spot of light projected (using a camera lens) over its surface. In escence, the detector is a large photodiode with four cathodes (one on each of the four sides of the square detector crystal) and a single anode (the back of the crystal). A spot of light will produce currents which are proportional to the position of the spot on the detector's face. Let's try some ASCII graphics in 2-D (so the detector has two cathodes to detect linear position) -------------------------> 1 | | | | |\ ----- cathode 1 | | \ XXXXX ________| + \ XXXXX| | \ ------- light >XXXXX| | \_____ divider __ output XXXXX| | | / ------- XXXXX|-----| |-- | / | XXXXX| + | | ________| - / 1 + 2 XXXXX| --- gnd | | / XXXXX| \ / | |/ XXXXX| anode | XXXXX | ----- cathode 2 | | | | | --------------------------> 2 If the dot of light from the LED is the ONLY source of light, then the position of the projection is given by this circuit regardless of the level of illumina- tion (the divider is used to normalize relative to total received power). When this circuit is used in the presence of other sources of light, then the way of ""tuning"" to it is to sample for a few msec the background signal, light the LED for an equal time and sample that signal separately. The difference between the two is the position of the LED. Hamamatsu photonics sells linear and 2-D lateral photoeffect detectors, and they also sell the required signal processing electronics. The ready-made systems by SELSPOT and others are NOT cheap ... Lindholm, L.E., and K.E. Oberg, ""An Optoelectronic Instrument for Remote On-Line Movement Monitoring"", Biotelemetry, 1, 94-95, 1974. Woltring, H.J., and E.B. Marsolais, ""Opto-Electronic (SELSPOT) Gait Measure- ments in Two and Three Dimensional Space - A Preliminary Report"", Bull. Pros- thetics Research, 46-52, 1980. Most probably this technique can provide you with a much more accurate measurement than you need, but I think that its simplicity beats scanning a quadrant detector with a pan/tilt system until you reach zero difference. - David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University | | Campus Box 1185 | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ " 10019,5,"From: xyzzy@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Daniel Drucker) Subject: tape down selections Article-I.D.: hal.1r4cej$1jc8 Organization: dis Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu I just had an idea. I'm not sure if its been done and I'm just remembering it unconsiously, but I thought that in dialog boxes and whatever in windowing systems, there should be a way to intuitivly set some things checked or unchecked or filled in a certain way. My idea: tape. You know, like putting a piece of tape over a light switch? Just an idea, if you like it, use it. -- Daniel Drucker N2SXX | xyzzy@gnu.ai.mit.edu Forever, forever, my Coda. | und2dzd@vaxc.hofstra.edu " 10020,18,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM Subject: Re: Losers (Was Re: Stop putting down white het males.) Summary: Just my $.02 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: racism, sexism, mysogyny Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 107 In article <1939@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes... >In article <1993Apr2.180839.14305@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: >>In <1993Apr2.064804.29008@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes: >>> I don't know what you as a white male did. I do know what white males, >>>as a class, have done. >>> They've invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, printing with >>>movable type, photography, computers, the electric guitar. anasthesia, rocket >>>powered space flight, the computer, electricity, the telephone, TV, motion >>>pictures, penecillin(sp), telescopes, nylon, and the X-Ray machine. >> >>Two glaring errors here. First, white males don't do anything as a ""class."" >>INDIVIDUAL white males invented those things, which means nothing to white >>males as a whole. Second, you neglected to mention Charles Manson, Hitler, >>McCarthy, Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy, and a whole slew of individuals who >>have done horrible, evil things. If white males can take the credit for >>our fellow white males' boons, we must also take the blame for our >>fellows' blights. I claim we deserve neither credit nor blame for these >>things. > >>White males need to wake up and realize that they're being unfair, yes. But >>everyone else needs to wake up and realize that being unfair right back is >>disgusting, racist and sexist. >>Why can't we learn to treat everyone fairly, without generalizing? What >>stupidity gene makes this so difficult? ""I'd like to buy the world a >>clue..."" > > The word that is missing in this whole discourse is not the ""B"" >word, or the ""H"" word, or even the ""N"" or ""W"" words. It is the ""L"" word - >LOSER !! > > That's right. When we boil all the crap out of this argument, it >is all about WINNING and LOSING, and nothing else. Let me explain. > In the meantime, there is guilt for winning, maybe a fear that one >doesn't deserve one's bounty - or success. So there is a ""kinder and gentler >type of politician these days, Bill Clinton, affirmative action, and lots of >discourse about people who ""don't get it"". For those of us in the winning >business, this kind of talk is mildly irritating, but there is still no >suggestion of losing. > Who is D-FENS, anyway ? The answer is as plain as the horn rims on >your face. The guy is MICHAEL DOUGLAS, posing as a LOSER. This >is known as controversial casting. But that baggy short-sleeved white shirt >sure does look natural on Mike doesn't it. Gordon Gekko will never look the >same. (Though Woody always dressed that way.) Did we really expect Gekko to >take it easy and enjoy that kind of wardrobe, without putting up a fuss ? > What we are starting to lose sight of is, that bashing D-FENS is >the same game as bashing that poor African American slug that Clint Eastwood >used to blow away all the time. As that arch-WASP (male gender) George C. Scott >declaimed, ""Americans traditionally LOVE TO WIN. They love a winner, and will >not tolerate a loser."" And so on. Since we are talking in theory and opinion, then I'll put in my $.02. First, a rebuttle. Personally, I love under-dogs. Unlike bandwagon jumpers, I abandon teams when they start winning. People that cheer for winners just because they are winners are insecure people who are afraid to be associated with something negative. > The political implications are simple. If, as many socialists - and >Democrats - do, you consider society a finite pie to a apportioned in some >""equitable"" way, then you have to worry about who is a winner and who is a >loser to tell whose side you are on. That could be black women today, Asian >homosexuals tommorrow, and yes indeed, white men some yet to be determined >day when the balance of the pie has finally swung against that (39%) >minority. On this one point, I agree. The reason that people bash WASP's is because they have been on top for a long time. Whoever is on top is going to oppress whoever is below them so that they can stay on top. If Hannibal had pushed on to Rome after his victory at Cannae we might all be bashing the blacks for oppressing us peacefull white people for all these centuries. I seriously doubt that if the blacks had conquered the world that they would have treated their colonies any better/worse than the whites did. The white race did some unspeakable things to the other races of the world. But they only did what any other conquering race would have done (ie. Khan). The real question is, should we carry over that blame to the present generation who didn't participate in the crimes? Would it do any good? Has it done Bosnia any good? They are fighting wars that stopped hundreds, even thousands, of years ago. My opinion is, if there are inequities now, then let's change them. But don't blame me for what my ancestors did. It wouldn't settle anything anyway. > Either way you go, the way of the Winner is no longer the way to be >popular - at least after you graduate from High School (but you'll still >be popular at High School reunions). But it beats being a Nerd, as I >would imagine Michael Douglas would now agree, and in the long run, it >is the only way to go. That's where you are dead wrong. You don't join up on a side just because they are winning. That makes you spineless. Winning, in high school and after high school, is still the best way to be popular, but it doesn't make you right. All the best causes in history were loosing causes (with only a couple exceptions). Winning only makes a difference to other people, not to yourself. And what good is the opinions of other people if they only care how you appear (ie. a Winner). If you can't beat them, fight them every inch of the way. >Bill R. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""At that moment the bottom fell out of Authur's mind. Garrett Johnson His eyes turned inside out. His feet began to leak out Garrett@Ingres.com of the top of his head. The room folded flat around him, spun around, shifted out of existence and left him sliding into his own naval."" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 10021,9,"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Thu., Apr. 15th, 1993 Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) Lines: 73 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu MLB Standings and Scores for Thursday, April 15th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Houston Astros 05 03 .625 -- 5-3 Won 5 00-03 05-00 Atlanta Braves 06 04 .600 -- 6-4 Lost 1 03-03 03-01 San Francisco Giants 05 04 .556 0.5 5-4 Lost 1 02-01 03-03 Los Angeles Dodgers 03 06 .333 2.5 3-6 Lost 3 00-02 03-04 Colorado Rockies 02 05 .286 2.5 2-5 Lost 3 02-03 00-02 San Diego Padres 02 06 .250 3.0 2-6 Lost 3 00-03 02-03 Cincinnati Reds 02 07 .222 3.5 2-7 Lost 3 01-02 01-05 NATIONAL EAST Philadelphia Phillies 08 01 .889 -- 8-1 Won 5 05-01 03-00 Pittsburgh Pirates 06 02 .750 1.5 6-2 Won 3 03-02 03-00 St. Louis Cardinals 06 02 .750 1.5 6-2 Won 2 04-02 02-00 New York Mets 04 03 .571 3.0 4-3 Won 2 02-03 02-00 Chicago Cubs 04 05 .444 4.0 4-5 Won 1 01-02 03-03 Montreal Expos 03 05 .375 4.5 3-5 Lost 2 00-02 03-03 Florida Marlins 03 06 .333 5.0 3-6 Won 2 02-04 01-02 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Texas Rangers 06 02 .750 -- 6-2 Lost 1 04-02 02-00 California Angels 05 02 .714 0.5 5-2 Won 3 03-02 02-00 Oakland Athletics 04 03 .571 1.5 4-3 Lost 1 04-02 00-01 Seattle Mariners 04 03 .571 1.5 4-3 Won 1 03-02 01-01 Chicago White Sox 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Won 1 02-03 02-01 Minnesota Twins 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Lost 1 01-02 03-02 Kansas City Royals 01 07 .125 5.0 1-7 Lost 2 01-05 00-02 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 06 02 .750 -- 6-2 Won 2 02-00 04-02 New York Yankees 05 03 .625 1.0 5-3 Won 2 02-00 03-03 Toronto Blue Jays 04 03 .571 1.5 4-3 Lost 1 03-02 01-01 Detroit Tigers 03 04 .429 2.5 3-4 Won 1 01-00 02-04 Cleveland Indians 03 05 .375 3.0 3-5 Lost 2 02-01 01-04 Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 Baltimore Orioles 02 06 .250 4.0 2-6 Won 1 00-02 02-04 YESTERDAY'S SCORES (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE Houston 9 Baltimore 6 Montreal 5 Texas 5 Pittsburgh 11 Seattle 10 San Diego 7 Toronto 9 (10) Chicago 6 Cleveland 7 Atlanta 0 Boston 12 Cincinnati 2 California 12 Philadelphia 9 Milwaukee 2 New York 6 Kansas City 5 Colorado 3 New York 6 Florida 6 Minnesota PPD San Francisco 4 Chicago RAIN St. Louis 2 Detroit IDLE Los Angeles 1 (15) Oakland IDLE -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10022,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 14 In article <1r1173INNajc@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes: >Even if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant, >but a search warrant. In other words, there was no evidence of illegal >arms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to >search for illegal evidence. It's hard to know what/who to believe. However, the letter I received from the BATF, in response to one I sent to Bentsen, said that there was a search warrant AND an arrest warrant. don " 10023,13,"From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) Subject: Re: Teenage acne Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 57 pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) writes: >My 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose. I >bought him Clearasil face wash and ointment. I think that is probably >enough, along with the usual good diet. However, he is on at me to >get some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a >doctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the >chemist's counter. I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say >either his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil >is OK. I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious. His >father was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate >into something disfiguring. But I know kids are senstitive about >their appearance. I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd >malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from >acne treatment. I want to help - but with appropriate treatment. >My son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp. Sort >of teenage cradle cap. Any pointers/advice on this? We have tried a >couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to >make the condition worse, not better. >Shall I bury the kid till he's 21 :) :) No...I was one of the lucky ones. Very little acne as a teenager. I didn't have any luck with clearasil. Even though my skin gets oily it really only gets miserable pimples when it's dry. Frequent lukewarm water rinses on the face might help. Getting the scalp thing under control might help (that could be as simple as submerging under the bathwater till it's softened and washing it out). Taking a one a day vitamin/mineral might help. I've heard iodine causes trouble and that it is used in fast food restaurants to sterilize equipment which might be where the belief that greasy foods cause acne came from. I notice grease on my face, not immediately removed will cause acne (even from eating meat). Keeping hair rinse, mousse, dip, and spray off the face will help. Warm water bath soaks or cloths on the face to soften the oil in the pores will help prevent blackheads. Body oil is hydrophilic, loves water and it softens and washes off when it has a chance. That's why hair goes limp with oilyness. Becoming convinced that the best thing to do with a whitehead is leave it alone will save him days of pimple misery. Any prying of black or whiteheads can cause infections, the red spots of pimples. Usually a whitehead will break naturally in a day and there won't be an infection afterwards. Tell him that it's normal to have some pimples but the cosmetic industry makes it's money off of selling people on the idea that they are an incredible defect to be hidden at any cost (even that of causing more pimples). -Jackie- " 10024,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: <, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> [...] |> >>The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People |> >>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. |> >That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather |> >pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler |> >arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used |> >in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest |> >of the population. |> |> These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders |> worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" |> that will lead to worse things? You don't think these are little things because with twenty-twenty hindsight, you know what they led to. jon. " 10025,1,"From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA Lines: 33 joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) writes: >ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: -> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF ""version number"" -> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its ""deep philosophical -> significance"". -> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and rotfl the -> second time. (After millions of years of calculation, the second-best -> computer of all time reveals that 42 is the answer to the question -> about life, the universe and everything) -> Is this actually how they picked the number 42? >Yes. -> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? At this moment the King, who had been for some time busily writing in his note-book, called out ""Silence!"" and read out from his book ""Rule Forty-two. All persons more than a mile high to leave the court."" Everybody looked at Alice. ""I'm not a mile high,"" said Alice. ""You are,"" said the King. ""Nearly two miles high,"" added the queen. ""Well, I sha'n't go, at any rate,"" said Alice; ""besides, that's not a regular rule: you invented it just now."" ""It's the oldest rule in the book,"" said the King. ""Then it ought to be Number One,"" said Alice. -- Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU) " 10026,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Hal's reply Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 38 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article , hall@boi.hp.com (Hal Leifson) writes... [...Dr. England's story deleted, it was a nice read the first time through...]] >now lead the Church. I, for one, do not wish to be labelled ""Christian"", if >those who profess themselves as Christians attack my beliefs because they are >intollerent (for example) of the way my religion may interpret Biblical >scriptures of the same source to have a different meaning and implication >than mainstream Christianity would give it. It isn't so much a matter of 'interpretation' of Bible texts that sets Mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of *fabrication*. About 20 years ago, _National Lampoon_ had some comic strips in them that were drawn by Neal Adams. They were called ""Son o' God"" comics. It was a parody of the Jesus in the Bible. In the comic, there were a group of thirteen Jewish kids from Brooklyn, and when one of them said the magic word, he turned into ""Son o' God."" He went from a myopic, curly headed, yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied portraits of Jesus --- with long flowing brown hair and gentile features. Now, if someone were to profess faith in this NatLamp Jesus, and claim that they were a Christian because they believed in this NatLamp Jesus, we would have to say that this was fallacious since this Jesus was a fabrication, and did not really exist. This is the exact same thing that the LDS do when they claim that they are Christian. They profess faith in Jesus, but the Jesus that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the NatLamp Jesus was. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu " 10027,4,From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca Note that if you get the external CD300 for your Centris or Q800 you will miss out on the sound mixing feature unless you are willing to run a wire from the motherboard sound input connector to the stereo output on the CD. Connecting to the sound input port on the back of the computer won't do unless you can live with mono. 10028,2,"From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind? Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ?? Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group. Thanks for any help --- John Bruno " 10029,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: It was an 'encore' performance staged by the Armenians during WWI. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 47 In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration camps, the Nazi Armenians in Germany formed the first Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of Dro (the butcher) who is the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination of the Jews. This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an ""encore"" performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army. Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 184 (second paragraph) ""I had received further very definite information of horrors that had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 10030,3,"Subject: Re: Date is stuck From: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr14.132300.27816@kosman.uucp>, kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes: > Anybody seen the date get stuck? > > I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine > is left running all the time. > > Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate > allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves > exiting the menu system to get to DOS. > > Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether > the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken? I bet it suddenly started sticking when you started leaving the PC running the menu all night. There is a limitation/bug in the date roll-over software in PC's that means you have to be doing something like waiting for keyboard input via a DOS call rather than a BIOS call (as menus often use) otherwise the code to update the date after midnight never gets called. Somebody might be able to correct the details in case I've mis-rememberred them, but I think you have to change the menu program (if you have the sources) or add a TSR or system patch or something. As far as I know the CMOS clock keeps the right time (in fact about 7 seconds/day better than DOS's clock). Mark Aitchison, University of Canterbury. " 10031,8,"From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Subject: Re: First Bike?? Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 8 In article <0forqFa00iUzMATnMz@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Leo Belliveau writes: > I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to > put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green! -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca " 10032,6,"From: hernandez@info-gw.mese.com (Manny Hernandez) Subject: Misc. Items (PIP TV tuner,CB Ant,Gym,Scanner & Run brds) Distribution: atl.forsale,misc.forsale Organization: Information Gateway BBS -- +1 404-928-7873 Lines: 77 I have the following items for sale. Rabbit PIP tuner SoloFlex-like gym Scanner (800 Mhz) CB Antenna Blazer/Jimmy running boards ---- Rabbit PIP (picture-in-picture) Box. This device when used with a VCR tuner will allow you to have a second channel popped up on any corner of the screen. The you can press SWAP on the remote and the small picture will be swapped with the main picture. The only limitation to this box is that it is has 36 channel tuner. This means that the box itself cannot tune higher than cable channel 36. However, if your VCR tuner is capable of tuning higher than this, then you simply tune the VCR to the channel desired and then swap pictures (assuming the alternate picture is channel 36 or lower) and it will work fine. Original cost: $149 Will sell for: $75 ---- Running boards for Jimmy or Blazer Brand new black running boards for the S10/15 models. I purchased them and realized that I could not use (after return period expired) them because of wheel trim that I have installed on my vehicle. Original cost: $125 Will sell for: $ 65 ---- Regency MX4200 20-Channel Scanner Recieves cellular frequencies (800-950 mhz) along with 7 other bands. Brand new Ni-Cad battery pack. Original Cost: $249 Will sell for: $135 ---- GYN/Plex model 2000 workout Gym, similar to Solo-Flex This gym is similar to Solo-Flex in that it uses resistance bands to increase the effective lifting weight. It is all black and made of steel. I have an extra set of bands that I purchased that will be included. Original cost: $349 Will sell for: $125 ---- Big Stick CB Antenna for 27 Mhz band. Will sell for: $30 Because of weight or or other difficulty, last 2 items for Atlanta area only please. I will share non-COD shipping charges. Thanks Manny ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Information Gateway BBS +1 404-928-7873 Public Access Newsgroups/Email Please reply to: hernandez@info-gw.blackwlf.mese.com (Sysop) hernandez@info-gw.atl.ga.us " 10033,7,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Dumb options list Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 16 The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you get on a car that has no earthly use? 1) Power windows Add as you wish... Regards, Charles -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 10034,9,"From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) Article-I.D.: pilot.Apr.6.00.29.46.1993.26280 Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken Lines: 13 briefly, since i'm off to sleep. mle's work pretty well for AA nd AAA players. players who are 22 and younger will tend to have explosions in their numbers, whether mMLE's or not, in the next 2 years... players who are 26 and OLDER, at those levels, generally have inflated MLE's. they're about as reliable as having major league stats for a player. - bob gaj " 10035,15,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: FL Lines: 22 >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? I'm waiting for an RC to speak up ! 8-) Nobody has, so I will... Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse... At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the ""rock"", He said whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven. Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest, the couple and witnesses. ""Divorce"" is not allowed. But anullments are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope (not sure if the Pope delegates this function). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | " 10036,10,"From: ee152fcs@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Bjorn Karlsson) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 20 Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc15.ucsd.edu In article <1993Apr21.073134.5117@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes: > > 1993 World Championships in Germany: > ==================================== Is there any games being shown here in the US from the WC??? Thanks mc " 10037,10,"From: Karim Edvard Ahmed Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.031823.11861@news.stolaf.edu> >A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, >or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of >5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted >two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to >play. Yes, it's a shame that the NHL lost a fine team in one of the best hockey markets in the country. Being a North Stars fan, it is sad to see all of the tradition of the last 26 years get thrown into oblivion at the hands of a truly crappy owner. Hopefully the NHL will install an expansion franchise in the Twin Cities within the next five years. Even if this is the case, a lot has been lost in the North Stars move... KEA " 10038,17,"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France Lines: 16 I have not seen but I guess would not liked it - to me he represents the worst of both American and Israeli politics - but this is a matter of taste. As for the famous confession, it is currently believed (at least by some people) that all this adultry affair was just invented by him in order to impress the Likkud voters (and poor jealous Hamazah) and appear as a ""real"" man. -- =============================================================== Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr =============================================================== " 10039,4,"From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) Subject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last? Distribution: usa Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr11.234818.1755@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King) wrote: > > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops? They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-) noah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design ...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. " 10040,7,"From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.ps.uci.edu In-reply-to: ejv2j@Virginia.EDU's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 02:42:46 GMT Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine Lines: 15 Unfortunately, I've got another story to add to this. My girlfriend and I were driving through west L.A., and got pelted by a rock just as we were pulling away from a stoplight. The scary thing was that the rock was heavy enough to put a decent-sized dent in the door of my '72 Riviera which is pretty much solid ""Detriot Iron."" Couple of inches higher and it would have gone through the window. Chris -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Barrus --- chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu --- kallista@aol.com 1972 Buick Riviera boattail, peace through superior automotive power! Sacred cows make the best hamburger - Abbie Hoffman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10041,0,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and anarchists Lines: 117 mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu writes: >My turn >I went back and reread your post. All you did is attack atheism, and >say that agnosticism wasn't as funny as atheism. Nowhere does that >imply that you are agnostic, or weak atheist. As most people who post >such inflammatory remarks are theists, it was a reasonable assumption. Sorry, you're right. I did not clearly state it. >>Rule *2: Condescending to the population at large (i.e., theists) will not >>win many people to your faith anytime soon. It only ruins your credibility. >How am I being condescending to the population at large? I am stating >something that happened to be true for a long time, I couldn't believe >that people actually believed in this god idea. It was an alien concept >to me. I am not trying to win people to my faith as you put it. I have >no faith. Religion was a non issue when I had the attitude above because >it never even occurred to me to believe. Atheist by default I guess you >could say. The most common form of condescending is the rational versus irrational attitude. Once one has accepted the _assumption_ that there is no god(s), and then consider other faiths to be irrational simply because their assumption(s) contradict your assumption, then I would say there's a lack of consistency here. Now I know you'll get on me about faith. If the _positive_ belief that God does not exist were a closed, logical argument, why do so many rational people have problems with that ""logic""? But you, probably like me, seem to be a soft atheist. Sorry for the flamage. >The line about atheists haveing something up their sleeves is what seemed >to imply that. Sorry, been reading too much on the CLIPPER project lately, >and the paranoia over there may have seeped in some. ;) What is the CLIPPER project BTW? >>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the >>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered >people >>unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed >millions of >>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! >>How can >>anyone be worse than that? >Many rulers have done similar things in the past, only Stalin did it >when there was plenty of documentation to afix the blame on him. The >evidence is that some of the early European rulers ruled with an iron >fist much like Stalin's. You threw in numbers, and I am sick of hearing >about Stalin as an example because the example doesn't apply. You >managed to get me angry with your post because it appeared to attack >all forms of atheism. It might have appeared to attack atheism in general, but its point was that mass killing happens for all sorts of reasons. People will hate who they will and will wave whatever flag to justify it, be it cross or hammer&sickle. The Stalin example _is_ important not only because it's still a widely unappreciated era that people want to forget but also because people really did love him and his ideas, even after all that he had wrought. >The evidence I am referring to is more a lack of evidence than negative >evidence. Say I claim there are no pink crows. I have never seen >a pink crow, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist. But, this person >here claims that there are pink crows, even though he admits he hasn't >been able to capture one or get a photo, or find one with me etc. >In a sense that is evidence to not believe in the existence of pink crows. >That is what I am saying when I look at the evidence. I look at the >suppossed evidence for a deity, show how it is flawed, and doesn't show >what theists want it to show, and go on. First, all the pink crows/unicorns/elves arguments in the world will not sway most people, for they simply do not accept the analogy. Why? One of the big reasons is that many, many people want something beyond this life. You can pretend that they don't want this, but I for one can accept it and even want it myself sometimes. And there is nothing unique in this example of why people want a God. Can love as a truth be proven, logically? >>themselves, namely, a god or gods. So in principle it's hard to see how >>theists are necessarily arrogant. >Makes no sense to me. They seem arrogant to make such a claim to me. >But my previous refutation still stands, and I believe there may be >another one on the net. John the Baptist boasted of Jesus to many people. I find it hard to see how that behavior is arrogant at all. Many Christians I know also boast in this way, but I still do not necessarily see it as arrogance. Of course, I do know arrogant Christians, doctors, and teachers as well. Technically, you might consider the person who originally made a given claim to be arrogant, Jesus, for instance. >Are you talking about all atheism or just strong atheism? If you are >talking about weak atheism which I believe in, then I refuse such a claim. >Atheism is a lack of belief. I used good ol' Occam's Razor to make the >final rejection of a deity, in that, as I see things, even if I >present the hypothesises in an equal fasion, I find the theist argument >not plausible. I speak against strong atheism. I also often find that the evidence supporting a faith is very subjective, just as, say, the evidence supporting love as truth is subjective. >I believe I answered that. I apologize for the (as you stated) incorrect >assumption on your theism, but I saw nothing to indicate that you >were an agnostic, only that you were just another newbie Christian >on the net trying to get some cheap shots in. No apology necessary. :) -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) " 10042,17,"From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Are you people sure his posts are being forwarded to his system operator??? Who is forwarding them??? Is there a similar file being kept on Mr. Omran??? Salam, John Absood ""Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter- most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to " 10043,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 13 In article pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: >Ken Arromdee writes >>>Did they not know that these men were federal officers? >>Do you know what a ""no-knock search"" is? >Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If >the BDs didn't know immediately that they were dealing with feds >(uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty >short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready >for having been attacked ""without warning"". Oh, bloody sorry old chap, why didn't you tell me you were a federale? Tough luck, eh? What's that? You say you're not dead yet? " 10044,6,"From: akachhy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (avinash.kachhy) Subject: MS Excel SDK for Sale Organization: SELF Distribution: usa Lines: 21 I have the following for sale. Absolutely new, I won it at a raffle and have no use for it. Microsoft Excel Software Development Kit Version 4 for MS WIndows and the Apple Macintosh Contains - a 498 page book by Microsoft Press - 2 3.5"" floppy disks containing software/sample code - a poster of the api calls etc. Orig. price is US$ 49.95. I would like to sell it for the highest offer over $30 + shipping. Please email reply to attmail!akachhy Thanks Avinash Kachhy " 10045,18,"From: edo2877@ucs.usl.edu (Ott Edward D) Subject: E-MAIL Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette Distribution: usa Lines: 7 does anyone have the e-mail address for the white house. if so please send it to me thanks a lot. " 10046,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Assurance of Hell Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 139 I dreamed that the great judgment morning had dawned, and the trumpet had blown. I dreamed that the sinners had gathered for judgment before the white throne. Oh what weeping and wailing as the lost were told of their fate. They cried for the rock and the mountains. They prayed, but their prayers were too late. The soul that had put off salvation, ""Not tonight I'll get saved by and by. No time now to think of ....... religion,"" Alas, he had found time to die. And I saw a Great White Throne. Now, some have protest by saying that the fear of hell is not good for motivation, yet Jesus thought it was. Paul thought it was. Paul said, ""Knowing therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."" Today, too much of our evangelism is nothing but soft soap and some of it is nothing but evangelical salesmanship. We don't tell people anymore, that there's such a thing as sin or that there's such a place as hell. As Jayne has said, this doesn't mean we have to come on so strong so as to hit people over the head with a baseball bat. Yet the fact remains, there is a place called hell. A place so fearful that God died to save us from having to experience it. Whatever you or I, as Christians, do, we should do whatever we can to win people to the Lord, if for no other reason, to keep them from going to ""outer darkness."". Jesus, in Mt. 25, tells us that He didn't prepare hell for people. He prepared it for the Devil and his angels. No where in the Bible do I read -anywhere, that God predestined anybody to go to hell. D.L. Moody use to say that the elect are the ""whosoever will"" and the nonelect are the ""whosoever wont's."" Whether or not that's theologically sound, I couldn't defend, but its practical. Jesus said to the people of Israel, ""Ye would not."" Now, some of you may not be students of the Bible, heck -some of you may not be Christians. Have you ever said to somebody, ""I don't believe in hell. I believe in the religion of Jesus."" But did you know that Jesus talked more about hell than He did about heaven! ""Oh I believe in the religion of the sermon on the mount."" You find hell taught by Jesus in the sermon on the mount. You'll read that Jesus talked about the tree being cast into the fire. Several times he talks about hell and about judgment. In fact, over and over in the synoptics, Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus talks about hell. Not Isaiah. Not Moses. Not John the Baptist, though he did, but Jesus, the Son of God. The great Beloved One preached about hell because He loved people and didn't want to see them go there. Now, if there is no hell then Jesus preached in vain. It was our Lord Jesus, not some angry Baptist preacher, that said, ""where the worm never dies, and where the fire never goes out."" Jesus said that. It was Jesus who called hell a ""furnace of fire."" It was Jesus that used the word, ""condemnation."" ""And this is the condemnation, that men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Jesus said that. How can we get it across to you that a loving, dying Jesus preached about hell? Not only that, but He went through hell. That's what Calgary was all about. When my Lord was on the cross, darkness fell. He called hell, ""outer darkness."" Do you have this idea that hell is a place where the gamblers are gambling over here, the drunks are getting drunk over there, and the prostitutes are prostituting their bodies over there? That's not what hell is. Hell's not a party. There's no fellowship there. He called it ""outer darkness."" ""Outer"" -away from God. ""Darkness"" -God is light. No when He was on the cross, He was made sin for you and for me. God treated Jesus the way sinners have to be treated. That's is a sobering thought. As my son would say, an ""awesome"" thought. ""My God, My God why hast Thou forsaken me?"" Hell is isolation. There's no fellowship in hell. There's no friendship in hell. There's no loving embrace in hell. There's no hand shake in hell. There's no word of encouragement in hell. ""I thirst."" It goes much deeper than physical thirst. Hell is eternal craving with no satisfaction. The man whose life was lived for drugs, will crave it eternally. The man whose life was lived for the lust of a woman's body, will crave it eternally -and not be satisfied. One theologian has put it this way and I think it deserves merit. What is hell? Hell is just the kind of environment that matches the internal condition of the lost. In a recent post, I was trying to remember the founder of The Word of Life ministries. I've remembered his name, Jack Wertzen, and found that the illustration that I gave wasn't his. His illustration was that he was talking to his barber and his barber's wife and daughter had just recently been saved and he was commenting about it to Jack. ""They sing these songs and read Bible verses, and their praising this and that -I can't stand it! Jack, do you think God would send me to hell?"" Jack answered by saying, ""Yes I think he would!"" Of course the barber said, ""What do you mean by that."" ""Well if you can't stand living at home with your wife and daughter who sing hymns and praises to God now, what would you do in heaven where they'll do it for eternity? You'd be miserable. Because God loves you, He'd put you where it would match what you really are."" It makes a man think. The crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a fact that necessitates the eternal existence of hell because on the cross He performed an eternal act. Don't ask me how, I don't know. But He is God and He is the infinite/eternal and when He died, He died an infinite/eternal death. It is by that eternal act that He purchased eternal life for the ""whosoever wills."" He suffered eternal judgment. A lot of people would like to detour around hell by saying ""Everybody is going to be saved eventually."" -universalism. My Bible says no, He'll separate them. The sheep from the goats. "".After you die there's a probationary period in which God prepares you for heaven."" No, my Bible says that ""It is appointed unto men once to die and then comes judgment."" Some of the cultist believe in annihilation. After you die, sssswish. Just like a mosquito you're squished out. No, in Rev we are told that their is eternal existence in hell just as there is in heaven. I don't enjoy making these kind of statements and maybe you don't enjoy listening to them, but we have to preach the entire Word of God. -There is a place called hell. If I could give one verse of Scripture that could give any hope that people aren't going there, I'd give it to you, but I haven't found it. That fact that there is a place called hell, the fact that our God is a God of holiness and must judge sin, the fact that He has made us the kind of creatures we are and therefore we're responsible, the fact that He has placed us in a ""uni""verse that has purpose and design behind it, the fact that sin is such an awful thing and the fact that God Himself went through hell to save us from hell leads us to two applications. 1) As I've already mentioned. If you are a Christian, you must worn others. Its not good enough to stop and fix their flat tire and not tell them that just around the bend the bridge is out. ""Knowing therefore the terror of Lord, we persuade men."" 2) If you haven't accepted Jesus are your Savior, you're taking an awful chance. As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if you are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die and cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and suffer eternal damnation. I don't mean to make fun at this point, but its like Dirty Harry said, ""You've got to ask yourself, 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do you?"" ""A man's got to know his limitations."" Don't be one of the ""whosoever wont's."" ""Because while I was yet a sinner, He died for me."" ""There's no greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for another."" --Rex " 10047,11,"From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (2 of 3) Supersedes: Organization: TMP Enterprises Lines: 1543 Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Email and account privacy, anonymity, file encryption, academic computer policies, relevant legislation and references, EFF, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04 Archive-name: net-privacy/part2 Last-modified: 1993/3/3 Version: 2.1 IDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET ================================================ (c) 1993 L. Detweiler. Not for commercial use except by permission from author, otherwise may be freely copied. Not to be altered. Please credit if quoted. SUMMARY ======= Email and account privacy, anonymity, file encryption, academic computer policies, relevant legislation and references, EFF, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. (Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for next section.) PART 2 ====== (this file) Resources --------- <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? <4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? Miscellaneous ------------- <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? <5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? Issues ------ <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? <6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? Footnotes --------- <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? <7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? <7.3> Most Wanted list <7.4> Change history * * * RESOURCES ========= _____ <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? For more information, type `man [cmd]' or `apropos [keyword]' at the UNIX shell prompt. passwd - change password finger - obtain information about a remote user chfn - change information about yourself obtainable by remote users (sometimes `passwd -f') chmod - change the rights associated with a file or directory umask - (shell) change the default (on creation) file access rights ls - list the rights associated with files and directories xhost - allow or disable access control of particular users to an Xwindow server last - list the latest user logins on the system and their originations who - list other users, login/idle times, originations w - list other users and what they are running xhost - access control list for X Window client use xauth - control X Window server authentication .signature - file in the home directory appended to USENET posts .forward - file used to forward email to other accounts .Xauthority - file used for X Window server authentication keys $SIGNATURE - variable used for name in email and USENET postings The 'tcpdump' packet-tracing program is loosely based on SMI's ""etherfind"" although none of the etherfind code remains. It was originally written by Van Jacobson, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, as part of an ongoing research project to investigate and improve tcp and internet gateway performance. A current version is available via anonymous ftp from host ftp.ee.lbl.gov (currently at address 128.3.254.68) file tcpdump.tar.Z (a compressed Unix tar file). This program is subject to the 'standard' Berkeley network software copyright. _____ <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? A general introduction to mostly theoretical cryptographic issues, especially those frequently discussed in sci.crypt, is available in FAQ form: > Compiled by: > cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) > Gwyn@BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) > smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) NIST (U.S. National Institute for Standards and Technology) publishes an introductory paper on cryptography, special publication 800-2 ``Public-Key Cryptograhy'' by James Nechvatal (April 1991). Available via anonymous FTP from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (129.6.54.11), file pub/nistpubs/800-2.txt. Also via available anonymous FTP from wimsey.bc.ca as crypt.txt.Z in the crypto directory. Covers technical mathematical aspects of encryption such as number theory. More general information can be found in a FAQ by Paul Fahn of RSA Labortories via anonymous FTP from rsa.com in /pub/faq.ps.Z. See the `readme' file for information on the `tex' version. Also available as hardcopy for $20 from RSA Laboratories, 100 Marine Parkway, Redwood City, CA 94065. Send questions to faq-editor@rsa.com. Phil Zimmerman's PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) public-domain package for public key encryption is available at numerous sites, and is in widespread use over the internet for general UNIX-based file encryption (including email). Consult the archie FTP database. Also see the newsgroup alt.security.pgp. Mailing list requests to info-pgp-request@lucpul.it.luc.edu. From the RIPEM FAQ by Marc VanHeyningen on news.answers: > RIPEM is a program which performs Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) > using the cryptographic techniques of RSA and DES. It allows > your electronic mail to have the properties of authentication > (i.e. who sent it can be confirmed) and privacy (i.e. nobody can > read it except the intended recipient.) > > RIPEM was written primarily by Mark Riordan > . Most of the code is in the public domain, > except for the RSA routines, which are a library called RSAREF > licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. > > RIPEM is available via anonymous FTP to citizens and permanent > residents in the U.S. from rsa.com; cd to rsaref/ and read the > README file for info. > > RIPEM, as well as some other crypt stuff, has its `home site' on > rpub.cl.msu.edu, which is open to non-anonymous FTP for users in > the U.S. and Canada who are citizens or permanent residents. To > find out how to obtain access, ftp there, cd to pub/crypt/, and > read the file GETTING_ACCESS. Note: cryptography is generally not well integrated into email yet and some system proficiency is required by users to utilize it. _____ <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? Eric Hughes runs the `cypherpunk' mailing list dedicated to ``discussion about technological defenses for privacy in the digital domain.'' Send email to cypherpunks-request@toad.com to be added or subtracted from the list. From the charter: > The most important means to the defense of privacy is encryption. > To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy. But to encrypt > with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for > privacy. Cypherpunks hope that all people desiring privacy will > learn how best to defend it. _____ <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? Newsgroups ========== alt.comp.acad-freedom.news alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk -------------------------- Moderated and unmoderated issues related to academic freedom and privacy at universities. Documented examples of violated privacy in e.g. email. Documented examples of `censorship' as in e.g. limiting USENET groups local availability. alt.cyberpunks -------------- Virtual reality, (science) fiction by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling, cyberpunk in the mainstream. alt.hackers ----------- USENET Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) posting mechanisms, Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP), `obligatory hack' reports. alt.privacy ----------- General privacy issues involving taxpaying, licensing, social security numbers, etc. alt.security comp.security.misc ------------------ Computer related security issues. FAQ in news.answers below. alt.security.pgp alt.security.ripem ---------------- Dedicated to discussing public domain cryptographic software packages: PGP, or ``Pretty Good Privacy'' Software developed by Phil Zimmerman for public key encryption, and RIPEM by Mark Riordan for public key and DES encryption. comp.society.privacy -------------------- Privacy issues associated with computer technologies. Examples: caller identification, social security numbers, credit applications, mailing lists, etc. Moderated. comp.eff.news comp.eff.talk ------------- Moderated and unmoderated groups associated with the Electronic Frontier Foundation started by Mitch Kapor for protecting civil and constitutional rights in the electronic realm. news.admin news.admin.policy ----------------- Concerns of news administrators. NNTP standards and mechanisms. news.lists ---------- USENET traffic distributions. Most frequent posters, most voluminous groups, most active sites, etc. sci.crypt --------- Considers scientific and social issues of cryptography. Examples: legitimate use of PGP, public-key patents, DES, cryptographic security, cypher breaking, etc. FAQs ==== FAQs or ``Frequently-Asked Questions'' are available in the newsgroups *.answers or via anonymous FTP to pit-manager.mit.edu [18.172.1.27] (also rtfm.mit.edu) from the directory /pub/usenet/news.answers/[x] where [x] is the archive name. This FAQ is archived in the file `net-privacy'. Others are: network-info/part1 ------------------ Sources of information about the Internet and how to connect to it, through the NSF or commercial vendors. alt-security-faq ---------------- Computer related security issues arising in alt.security and comp.security.misc, mostly UNIX related. ssn-privacy ----------- Privacy issues associated with the use of the U.S. Social Security number (SSN). pdial ----- Public dialup internet accounts list. college-email/part1 ------------------- How to find email addresses for undergraduate and graduate students, faculty and staff at various colleges and universities. ripem/faq --------- Information on RIPEM, a program for public key mail encryption officially sanctioned by Public Key Partners Inc., the company that owns patents on public key cryptography. unix-faq/faq/part1 ------------------ Frequently-asked questions about UNIX, including information on `finger' and terminal spying. distributions/* --------------- Known geographic, university, and network distributions. _____ <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? Internet drafts on Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) describe a standard under revision for six years delineating the official protocols for email encryption. The standard has only recently stabilized and implementations are being developed. - RFC-1421: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part I: Message Encryption and Authentication Procedures.'' J. Linn <104-8456@mcimail.com> - RFC-1422: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part II: Certificate-Based Key Management'' S. Kent - RFC-1424: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part IV: Key Certification and Related Services'' B. Kaliski - RFC-1423: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part III: Algorithms, Modes, and Identifiers'' D. Balenson Send email to pem-info@tis.com for more information. See ``RFCs related to privacy'' for information on how to obtain RFCs. _____ <4.6> What are other Requests For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? RFC-822: SMTP, Simple Mail Transfer Protocol RFC-977: NNTP, Network News Transfer Protocol RFC-1036: Standard for interchange of network news messages RFC-1208: Glossary of Networking Terms RFC-1207: Answers to ``experienced Internet user'' questions RFC-1206: Answers to ``new Internet user'' questions RFC-1355: Privacy issues in Network Information center databases RFC-1177 is ``FYI: Answers to commonly asked ``new internet user'' questions, and includes: basic terminology on the Internet (TCP/IP, SMTP, FTP), internet organizations such as IAB (Internet Activities Board) and IETF (Internet Enbgineering Task Force), and a glossary of terms. Also from ftp.eff.org: /pub/internet-info/internet.q. > RFCs can be obtained via FTP from NIC.DDN.MIL, with the pathname > RFC:RFCnnnn.TXT or RFC:RFCnnnn.PS (where `nnnn' refers to the > number of the RFC). Login with FTP, username `anonymous' and > password `guest'. The NIC also provides an automatic mail > service for those sites which cannot use FTP. Address the > request to SERVICE@NIC.DDN.MIL and in the subject field of the > message indicate the RFC number, as in `Subject: RFC nnnn' (or > `Subject: RFC nnnn.PS' for PostScript RFCs). > > RFCs can also be obtained via FTP from NIS.NSF.NET. Using FTP, > login with username `anonymous' and password `guest'; then > connect to the RFC directory (`cd RFC'). The file name is of the > form RFCnnnn.TXT-1 (where `nnnn' refers to the number of the > RFC). The NIS also provides an automatic mail service for those > sites which cannot use FTP. Address the request to > NIS-INFO@NIS.NSF.NET and leave the subject field of the message > blank. The first line of the text of the message must be `SEND > RFCnnnn.TXT-1', where nnnn is replaced by the RFC number. _____ <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? Cypherpunk remailer source is at soda.berkeley.edu in the /pub/cypherpunks directory. It's written in PERL, and is relatively easy to install (no administrative rights are required). Karl Barrus has more information and modifications. Also, most remailer operators mentioned above are amenable to discussing features, problems, and helping new sites become operational. Address all points in the section ``responsibities of anonymous use'' in this document prior to advertising your service. You should be committed to the long-term stability of the site and avoid running one surreptitiously. _____ <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? Brown, Bob. ``EMA Urges Users to Adopt Policy on E-mail Privacy.'' Network World (Oct 29, 1990), 7.44: 2. Bairstow, Jeffrey. ``Who Reads your Electronic Mail?'' Electronic Business (June 11, 1990) 16 (11): 92. ``Electronic Envelopes - the uncertainty of keeping e-mail private'' Scientific American, February 1993. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/eff/papers/email_privacy --- Article on the rights of email privacy. by Ruel T. Hernandez. /pub/academic/law/privacy.email --- ``Computer Electronic Mail and Privacy'', an edited version of a law school seminar paper by Ruel T. Hernadez. /pub/eff/papers/email-privacy-biblio-2 --- Compilation of bibliography on E-Mail and its privacy issues (part 2 of the work). Compiled by Stacy B. Veeder (12/91). /pub/eff/papers/email-privacy-research --- The author at Digital Research tried to formalize their employee privacy policy on E-Mail. The casesightings are divided into two groups: US Constitutional law, and California law. /pub/eff/papers/company-email --- Formulating a Company Policy on Access to and Disclosure of Electronic Mail on Company Computer Systems by David R. Johnson and John Podesta for the Electronic Mail Assocation /pub/cud/alcor --- Information on Alcor Co., an e-mail privacy suit. /pub/academic/law/privacy.email --- Email privacy search at Berkeley. _____ <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? The Computer Policy and Critiques Archive is a collection of the computer policies of many schools and networks, run by the Computers and Academic Freedom group on the Electronic Frontier Foundation FTP site. The collection also includes critiques of some of the policies. > If you have gopher, the archive is browsable with the command: > gopher -p academic/policies gopher.eff.org > > The archive is also accessible via anonymous ftp and email. Ftp > to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4). It is in directory > `pub/academic/policies'. For email access, send email to > archive-server@eff.org. Include the line: > > send acad-freedom/policies > > where is a list of the files that you want. File > README is a detailed description of the items in the directory. > > For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos > contact J.S. Greenfield (greeny@eff.org). Directory `widener' > contains additional policies (but not critiques). ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/networks --- Acceptable Use Policies for various networks, including CompuServe (file `compuserve'), NSFNET (file `nsfnet') with information on research and commercial uses. See /pub/cud/networks/index. /pub/cud/networks/email --- Policies from various sysadmins about how they handle the issue of email privacy, control, and abuse, compiled by T. Hooper . /pub/cud/schools/ --- Computer use policies of a number of schools. See schools/Index for a full list and description. Commentary ========== /pub/academic/faq/policy.best --- Opinions on the best academic computer policies. /pub/academic/faq/email.policies --- Do any universities treat email and computer files as private? /pub/academic/faq/netnews.writing --- Policies on what users write on Usenet. /pub/academic/faq/netnews.reading --- Policies on what users read on Usenet: should my university remove (or restrict) Netnews newsgroups because some people find them offensive? /pub/academic/faq/policy --- What guidance is there for creating or evaluating a university's academic computer policy? ______ <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? > CROSSLINK is an anonymous message system run on MIT Student > Cable TV-36. It provides an anonymous medium through which MIT > students can say those things they might otherwise find > difficult, inconvenient or impossible to say in person. It's > also a way to send fun or totally random messages to your > friends over the air. It is similar to the anonymous message > pages found in many college newspapers, except that it's > electronic in nature and it's free. Messages can be posted to the service via email. For more information send email to crosslink@athena.mit.edu. MISCELLANEOUS ============= _____ <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? With digital encryption and authentication technologies, the possibility of a widespread digital cash system may someday be realized. A system utilizing codes sent between users and banks (similar to today's checking system except entirely digital) may be one approach. The issues of cryptography, privacy, and anonymity are closely associated with transfer of cash in an economy. See the article in Scientific American by David Chaum (~Dec.1992). An experimental digital bank is run by Karl Barrus based on suggestions by Hal Finney on the cypherpunks mailing list. To use the server send mail to elee7h5@rosebud.ee.uh.edu message with the following text: :: command: help user@host where `user@host' is your email address. _____ <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? These terms arouse strong feelings by many on their meaning, especially on the internet. In the general news media in the past a person who uses computers and networks to malicious ends (such as breaking into systems) has been referred to as a hacker, but most internet users prefer the term ``cracker'' for this. Instead, a ``hacker'' is perceived as a benign but intensely ambitious, curious, and driven computer user who explores obscure areas of a system, for example---something of a proud electronic pioneer and patriot. This is the sense intended in this document. See also the ``Hacker's Dictionary'' and the FAQ `alt-security-faq'. _____ <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? From the charter of the cypherpunk mailing list: > Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were > more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy > must create it for themselves and not expect governments, > corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant > them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people > have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, > envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek > to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or > their opinions. See information on the cypherpunk mailing list below. See also the CryptoAnarchist Manifesto and the Cryptography Glossary in soda.berkeley.edu:/pub/cypherpunks. _____ <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? Closely associated with encryption is `steganography' or the techniques for not only pursuing private (encrypted) communication but concealing the very existence of the communication itself. Many new possibilities in this area are introduced with the proliferation of computer technology. For example, it is possible to encode messages in the least-significant bits of images, typically the most 'noisy'. In addition, when such an item is posted in a public place (such as a newsgroup), virtually untraceable communication can take place between sender and receiver. For steganographic communications in the electronic realm one another possibility is setting up a mailing list where individual messages get broadcast to the entire list and individual users decode particular messages with their unique key. An anonymous pool has been set up by Miron Cuperman (miron@extropia.wimsey.com) for experiments. Send email to with one of the following commands in the subject line: subscribe unsubscribe help _____ <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? `Security through obscurity' refers to the attempt to gain protection from system weaknesses by hiding sensitive information or programs relating to them. For example, a company may not make public information on its software's encryption techniques to evade `attacks' based on knowledge of it. Another example would be concealing data on the existence of security holes or bugs in operating systems. Or, some reliance may be made on the fact that some standard or mechanism with potential problems is serious because they are ``not widely known'' or ``not widely used.'' This argument is occasionally applied to mechanisms for email and Usenet posting `forgery'. `Security through obscurity' is regarded as a very feeble technique at best and inappropriate and ineffective at worst (also called the ``head-in-the-sand approach''). See the FAQ for alt.security. Some remarks of John Perry Barlow, cofounder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, directed to NSA agents at the First International Symposium on National Security & National Competitiveness held in McLean, Virginia Dec. 1, 1992: > Digitized information is very hard to stamp classified or keep > contained. ... This stuff is incredibly leaky and volatile. It's > almost a life form in its ability to self-propagate. If > something hits the Net and it's something which people on there > find interesting it will spread like a virus of the mind. I > believe you must simply accept the idea that we are moving into > an environment where any information which is at all interesting > to people is going to get out. And there will be very little > that you can do about it. This is not a bad thing in my view, > but you may differ... _____ <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? RFC-931 describes a protocol standard that allows UNIX programs to query a remote user's login name after connection to a local communication socket (a connection of this type is established during FTP and TELNET sessions, for example). The standard is not widely supported, perhaps 10% of internet sites currently implement it but the number is increasing. The mechanism is detrimental to anonymity. Regular users cannot disable it but system adminstrators can circumvent it. This standard may represent a trend toward greater authentication mechanisms. _____ <5.7> What new standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? Remailing/Posting ----------------- - Stable, secure, protected, officially sanctioned and permitted, publicly and privately operated anonymous servers and hubs. - Official standards for encryption and anonymity in mail and USENET postings. - Truly anonymous protocols with source and destination information obscured or absent and hidden routing mechanisms (chaining, encrypted addresses, etc.) - Standards for anonymous email addressing, embedding files, and remailer site chaining. General ------- - Recognition of anonymity, cryptography, and related privacy shields as legitimate, useful, desirable, and crucial by the general public and their governments. - Widespread use and implementation of these technologies by systems designers into hardware, software, and standards, implemented `securely,' `seamlessly,' and `transparently'. - General shift of use, dependence, and reliance to means other than wiretapping and electronic surveillance by law enforcement agencies. - Publicity, retraction, and dissolution of laws and government agencies opposed to privacy, replaced by structures dedicated to strengthening and protecting it. ISSUES ====== _____ <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? From ftp.eff.org:/pub/EFF/mission_statement: > A new world is arising in the vast web of digital, electronic > media which connect us. Computer-based communication media like > electronic mail and computer conferencing are becoming the basis > of new forms of community. These communities without a single, > fixed geographical location comprise the first settlements on an > electronic frontier. > > While well-established legal principles and cultural norms give > structure and coherence to uses of conventional media like > newspapers, books, and telephones, the new digital media do not > so easily fit into existing frameworks. Conflicts come about as > the law struggles to define its application in a context where > fundamental notions of speech, property, and place take > profoundly new forms. People sense both the promise and the > threat inherent in new computer and communications technologies, > even as they struggle to master or simply cope with them in the > workplace and the home. > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been established to help > civilize the electronic frontier; to make it truly useful and > beneficial not just to a technical elite, but to everyone; and to > do this in a way which is in keeping with our society's highest > traditions of the free and open flow of information and > communication. EFF was started by the multimillionaire Mitchell Kapor, founder of Lotus software, and John Barlow, lyricist for the Grateful Dead rock band. A highly publicized endeavor of the organization involved the legal defense of Steve Jackson Games after an FBI raid and an accompanying civil suit (see section on ``Steve Jackson Games''). The foundation publishes EFF News (EFFector Online) electronically, send requests to effnews-request@eff.org. In a letter to Mitchell Kapor from the Chairman of the Subcommittee with primary jurisdiction over telecommunications policy dated November 5, 1991, Representative Edward J. Markey complemented Mitchell Kapor on his ``insights on the development of a national public information infrastructure'' which ``were appreciated greatly by myself and the Members of the Subcommittee'' (complete text in ftp.eff.com:/pub/pub-infra/1991-12): > ...we need to pursue policies that encourage the Bell companies to > work with other sectors of the communications industry to create > a consumer-oriented, public information network. Please let me or > my staff know what policies you and others in the computer > industry believe would best serve the public interest in creating > a reasonably priced, widely available network in which > competition is open and innovation rewarded. I also want to > learn what lessons from the computer industry over the past ten > to fifteen years should apply to the current debate on > structuring the information and communications networks of the > future....I ask your help in gaining input from the computer > industry so that the Subcommittee can shape policies that will > bring this spirit of innovation and entrepreneurship to the > information services industry. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/eff/about-eff --- A file of basic information about EFF including goals, mission, achievements, and current projects. Contains a membership form. /pub/eff/mission-statement --- EFF mission statement. /pub/eff/historical/founding-announcement --- EFF founding press release. /pub/eff/historical/eff-history --- John Perry Barlow's ``Not Terribly Brief History of the EFF'' (July 10, 1990). How EFF was conceived and founded, major legal cases, and the organizational directions. /pub/eff/historical/legal-case-summary --- EFF legal case summary. _____ <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? The Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility have been working to protect and promote electronic civil liberties issues since ~1982. The group has three offices (Palo Alto, Cambridge, Washington, DC) and 20 chapters. It is involved in litigation against the FBI, The NSA, NIST, the Secret Service and other other U.S. government agencies to declassify and provide documentation on issues such as Operation Sundevil, the FBI wiretap proposal, NSA's interference in crypography, the breakup of the 2600 raid in Arlington, Va in Nov 1992. Members speak frequently in front on Congress, state legislators and public utility commissions to testify on privacy, information policy, computer security, and caller identification. CPSR has created an extensive Internet Privacy library available via FTP, Gopher, WAIS, and email at cpsr.org, currently comprising the largest collection of privacy documents on the internet. For more information, anonymous FTP cpsr.org:/cpsr/. (Thanks to Dave Banisar for contributions here.) _____ <6.3> What was `Operation Sundevil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? In the early 1990's a fear spread among U.S. law enforcement agencies on the illicit activities of `hackers' and `phreakers' involved in such activities as credit card fraud and long-distance call thievery. (see ftp.eff.org:/pub/SJG/General_Information/EFFector1.04): > `Operation Sundevil,' the Phoenix-inspired crackdown of May > 8,1990, concentrated on telephone code-fraud and credit-card > abuse, and followed this seizure plan with some success. > [Bulletin Board Systems] went down all over America, terrifying > the underground and swiftly depriving them of at least some of > their criminal instruments. It also saddled analysts with some > 24,000 floppy disks, and confronted harried Justice Department > prosecutors with the daunting challenge of a gigantic nationwide > hacker show-trial involving highly technical issues in dozens of > jurisdictions. Massive `show-trials' never materialized, although isolated instances of prosecution were pursued. The movement reached a crescendo in Texas with the highly publicized case of illegal search and seizure involving the Steve Jackson Games company of Austin Texas on March 1, 1990. From the column GURPS' LABOUR LOST by Bruce Sterling in Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine: > In an early morning raid with an unlawful and unconstitutional > warrant, agents of the Secret Service conducted a search of the > SJG office. When they left they took a manuscript being prepared > for publication, private electronic mail, and several computers, > including the hardware and software of the SJG Computer Bulletin > Board System. Yet Jackson and his business were not only > innocent of any crime, but never suspects in the first place. > The raid had been staged on the unfounded suspicion that > somewhere in Jackson's office there `might be' a document > compromising the security of the 911 telephone system. FBI agents involved in the seizure were named in a civil suit filed on behalf of Steve Jackson Games by The Electronic Frontier Foundation. See information on EFF below. From an article by Joe Abernathy in the Houston Chronicle ~Feb 1, 1993: > AUSTIN -- An electronic civil rights case against the Secret > Service closed Thursday with a clear statement by federal > District Judge Sam Sparks that the Service failed to conduct a > proper investigation in a notorious computer crime crackdown, > and went too far in retaining custody of seized equipment. > > Secret Service Special Agent Timothy Foley of Chicago, who was in > charge of three Austin computer search-and-seizures on March 1, > 1990, that led to the lawsuit, stoically endured Spark's rebuke > over the Service's poor investigation and abusive computer > seizure policies. While the Service has seized dozens of > computers since the crackdown began in 1990, this is the first > case to challenge the practice. > > Sparks grew visibly angry when it was established that the Austin > science fiction magazine and game book publisher was never > suspected of a crime, and that agents did not do even marginal > research to establish a criminal connection between the firm and > the suspected illegal activities of an employee, or to determine > that the company was a publisher. Indeed, agents testified that > they were not even trained in the Privacy Protection Act at the > special Secret Service school on computer crime. > > ""How long would it have taken you, Mr. Foley, to find out what > Steve Jackson Games did, what it was?"" asked Sparks. ""An hour? > > ""Was there any reason why, on March 2, you could not return to > Steve Jackson Games a copy, in floppy disk form, of everything > taken? > > ""Did you read the article in Business Week magazine where it had > a picture of Steve Jackson -- a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen > -- saying he was a computer crime suspect? > > ""Did it ever occur to you, Mr. Foley, that seizing this material > could harm Steve Jackson economically?"" > > Foley replied, ""No, sir,"" but the judge offered his own answer. > > ""You actually did, you just had no idea anybody would actually go > out and hire a lawyer and sue you."" > > More than $200,000 has been spent by the Electronic Frontier > Foundation in bringing the case to trial. The EFF was founded by > Mitchell Kapor amid a civil liberties movement sparked in large > part by the Secret Service computer crime crackdown. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/papers/sundevil --- A collection of information on Operation SunDevil by the Epic nonprofit publishing project. Everything you wanted to know but could never find. /pub/cud/papers/sj-resp --- Steve Jackson's response to the charges against him. _____ <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? ISDN is a high-speed data communications standard that utilizes existing copper telephone lines, and is a possible inexpensive and intermediate alternative to laying fiber optic cable for phone networks. The speeds involved may be sufficient for audio and video transmission applications. G. V. der Leun in the file ftp.eff.org: /pub/pub-infra/1991-11: > Telecommunications in the United States is at a crossroads. With > the Regional Bell Operating Companies now free to provide > content, the shape of the information networking is about to be > irrevocably altered. But will that network be the open, > accessible, affordable network that the American public needs? > You can help decide this question. > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation recently presented a plan to > Congress calling for the immediate deployment of a national > network based on existing ISDN technology, accessible to anyone > with a telephone connection, and priced like local voice service. > We believe deployment of such a platform will spur the > development of innovative new information services, and maximize > freedom, competitiveness, and civil liberties throughout the > nation. > > The EFF is testifying before Congress and the FCC; making > presentations to public utility commisions from Massachusetts to > California; and meeting with representatives from telephone > companies, publishers, consumer advocates, and other stakeholders > in the telecommunications policy debate. > > The EFF believes that participants on the Internet, as pioneers on > the electronic frontier, need to have their voices heard at this > critical moment. To automatically receive a description of the platform and details, send mail to archive-server@eff.org, with the following line: send documents open-platform-overview or send mail to eff@eff.org. See also the Introduction to the EFF Open Platform Proposal in ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/1991-02. References ========== ``Digital Data On Demand.'' MacWorld, 2/82 (page 224). --- 56Kbps vs. ISDN services and products. See comments by J. Powers in ftp.eff.org:pub/pub-infra/1992-02. ``Telephone Service That Rings of the Future.'' By Joshua Quittner. Newsday, Tue, Jan 7 1992. --- Implications of ISDN for the masses, written in popular science style. John Perry Barlow (cofounder EFF). Regional telephone companies (Ohio Bell). ISDN as ``Technological Rorschach Test.'' Anecdotes about McDonald's, Barbara Bush teleconferencing. See complete text in ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/1992-01. ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/ --- Files 1991-11 through 1992-05 containing email from the EFF public infrastructure group organized by month. Opinions and facts on the pros and cons of ISDN, Integrated Services Digital Network. Uses of ISDN (phone video, audio, etc.) Japanese model. Alternatives to ISDN (HDSL, ADSL, fiber optics). Technical specifications of ISDN, implementation details, cost issues, political obstacles, (RBOC, Regional Bell Operating Companies or `Baby Bells', e.g. NET, New England Telephone). Influencing development of future networks (e.g. ISDN and NREN, National Research and Education Network), encouraging competition (cable TV systems). Press releases and news articles. Letter from Rep. E. J. Markey to M. Kapor. _____ <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? The Nation Research and Education Network was introduced in legislation cosponsored by Sen. A. Gore to promote high-speed data network infrastructure augmenting the internet with up to 50 times faster transmission rates. The bill passed the House on November 20, 1991, the Senate on November 22, 1991, and was signed by the President on December 9, 1991. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/EFF/legislation/nren-bill-text --- The complete text of the House-Senate compromise version of S. 272, the High-Performance Computing Act. /pub/internet-info/gore.bill --- 102nd congress 1st Session. Text of high performance computing bill cosponsored by Sen. A. Gore. /pub/EFF/legislation/gore-infrastructure-bill --- The text of S.2937, the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 introduced by Senator Gore to expand Federal efforts to develop technologies for applications of high-performance computing and high-speed networking, and to provide for a coordinated Federal program to accelerate development and deployment of an advanced information infrastructure. U.S. SAID TO PLAY FAVORITES IN PROMOTING NATIONWIDE COMPUTER NETWORK By John Markoff, N.Y. Times (~18 Dec 91). --- President Bush's legislation for natiowide computer data `superhighway.' IBM-MCI venture as monopoly destructive to fair competition and innovation? National Science Foundation NSFnet. complete text in /pub/pub-infra/1991-12. Commentary ========== /pub/academic/statements/nren.privacy.cpsr --- ``Proposed Privacy Guidelines for the NREN'' -- Statement of Marc Rotenberg, Washington Director Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR). /pub/internet-info/cisler.nren --- The National Research and Education Network: Two meetings Steve Cisler, Senior Scientist Apple Computer Library December 17, 1990 Summary of meetings exploring educational issues of NREN by diverse members of academia and industry. /pub/internet-info/privatized.nren --- Feb. 14 1991 essay by M. Kapor advocating advantages of a private National Public Network, and specific recommendations for open NREN policies encouraging competition. /pub/eff/papers/netproposition --- An FYI about the proposed NREN setup. _____ <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? ``Providers of electronic communication services and private branch exchange operators shall provide within the United States capability and capacity for the government to intercept wire and electronic communications when authorized by law...'' From `BBS Legislative Watch: FBIs Wiretapping Proposal Thwarted' by S. Steele in Boardwatch Magazine, Feb. 1993, p. 19-22: > In a move that worried privacy experts, software manufacturers and > telephone companies, the FBI proposed legislation to amend the > Communications Act of 1934 to make it easier for the Bureau to > perform electronic wiretapping. The proposed legislation, > entitled 'Digital Telephony,' would have required communications > service providers and hardware manufacturers to make their > systems 'tappable' by providing 'back doors' through which law > enforcement officers could intercept communications. Furthermore, > this capability would have been provided undetectably, while the > communications was in progress, exclusive of any communications > between other parties, regardless of the mobility of the target > of the FBI's investigation, and without degradation of service. > > ...under the proposal, the Department of Justice (DOJ) can keep > communications products off the market if it determines that > these products do not meet the DOJ's own ... guidelines. This > [could] result in increased costs and reduced competitiveness for > service providers and equipment manufacturers, since they will be > unlikely to add any features that may result in a DOJ rejection > of their entire product. ...the FBI proposal suggests that the > cost of this wiretapping 'service' to the Bureau would have to be > borne by the service provider itself... > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation organized a broad coalition of > public interest and industry groups, from Computer Professionals > for Social Responsibilty (CPSR) and the ACLU to AT&T and Sun > Microsystems, to oppose the legislation. A white paper produced > by the EFF and ratified by the coalition, entitled, `An Analysis > of the FBI Digital Telephony Proposal,' was widely distributed > throughout the Congress. ... The Justice Department lobbied hard > in the final days to get Congress to take up the bill before > Congress adjourned, but the bill never ... found a Congressional > sponsor (and was therefore never officially introduced). The FBI > [may] reintroduce ""Digital Telephony"" when the 103rd Congress > convenes in January. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/eff/legislation/fbi-wiretap-bill /pub/EFF/legislation/new-fbi-wiretap-bill --- A bill to ensure the continuing access of law enforcement to the content of wire and electronic communications when authorized by law and for other purposes. Version 2 of the bill after FBI changes in response to public response. /pub/cud/law/hr3515 --- House of Rep bill 3515, Telecommunications Law. Commentary ========== /pub/eff/papers/eff-fbi-analysis --- The EFF-sponsored analysis of the FBI's Digital Telephony proposal. /pub/eff/papers/ecpa.layman --- The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986: A Layman's View. /pub/eff/papers/nightline-wire --- Transcript of ABC's Nightline of May 22, 1992, on the FBI, Privacy, and Proposed Wire-Tapping Legislation. Featured are Marc Rotenberg of the CPSR and William Sessions, Director of the FBI. /pub/eff/papers/edwards_letter --- A letter from the Director of the Secret Service to US Rep. Don Edwards, D-California, in response to questions raised by Edwards' Subcommittee. This copy came from Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility in Washington, D.C. /pub/eff/papers/fbi.systems --- A description of how information is stored on the FBI's computer systems. _____ <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy? ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/law/ --- State computer crime laws: AL, AK, AZ, CA, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, HI, IA, ID, IL, IN, MD, MN, NC, NJ, NM, NY, OR, TX, VT, VA, WA, WI, WV. /pub/cud/law/ --- Current computer crime laws for: The United States (federal code), Canada, Ghana, and Great Britain. /pub/cud/law/bill.s.618 --- Senate bill 618, addressing registration of encryption keys with the government. /pub/cud/law/improve --- Improvement of Information Access bill. /pub/cud/law/monitoring --- Senate bill 516; concerning abuses of electronic monitoring in the workplace. /pub/cud/law/us.e-privacy --- Title 18, relating to computer crime & email privacy. /pub/academic/law/privacy.electronic.bill --- The text of Simon's electronic privacy bill, S. 516. ``To prevent potential abuses of electronic monitoring in the workplace.'' _____ <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/papers/const.in.cyberspace --- Laurence Tribe's keynote address at the first Conference on Computers, Freedom, & Privacy. `The Constitution in Cyberspace' /pub/cud/papers/denning --- Paper presented to 13th Nat'l Comp Security Conf ``Concerning Hackers Who Break into Computer Systems'' by Dorothy E Denning. /pub/cud/papers/privacy --- ``Computer Privacy vs First and Fourth Amendment Rights'' by Michael S. Borella /pub/cud/papers/rights-of-expr --- Rights of Expression in Cyberspace by R. E. Baird /pub/academic/eff.rights --- Bill of Rights' meaning in the Electronic Frontier. _____ <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? The CAF Archive is an electronic library of information about computers and academic freedom. run by the Computers and Academic Freedom group on the Electronic Frontier Foundation FTP site. > If you have gopher, the archive is browsable with the command: > gopher -p academic gopher.eff.org > > It is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4) in > directory `pub/academic'. It is also available via email. For > information on email access send email to archive-server@eff.org. > In the body of your note include the lines `help' and `index'. > > For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos > contact J.S. Greenfield (greeny@eff.org). ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/academic/statements/caf-statement --- Codifies the application of academic freedom to academic computers, reflecting seven months of on-line discussion about computers and academic freedom. Covers free expression, due process, privacy, and user participation. /pub/academic/books --- Directory of book references related to Computers and Academic Freedom or mentioned in the CAF discussion. The file books/README is a bibliography. /pub/academic/faq/archive --- List of files available on the Computers and Academic Freedom archive. /pub/academic/news --- Directory of all issues of the Computers and Academic Freedom News. A full list of abstracts is available in file `abstracts'. The special best-of-the-month issues are named with their month, for example, `June'. FOOTNOTES ========= _____ <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? The article ``Internet'' in Fantasy and Science Fiction by Bruce Sterling contains general and nontechnical introductory notes on origins of the Internet, including the role of the RAND corporation, the goal of network resilience in face of nuclear attack, MIT, UCLA, ARPANET, TCP/IP, NSF, NREN, etc.: > ARPANET itself formally expired in 1989, a happy victim of its > own overwhelming success. Its users scarcely noticed, for > ARPANET's functions not only continued but steadily improved. > The use of TCP/IP standards for computer networking is now > global. In 1971, a mere twenty-one years ago, there were only > four nodes in the ARPANET network. Today there are tens of > thousands of nodes in the Internet, scattered over forty-two > countries, with more coming on-line every day. Three million, > possibly four million people use this gigantic > mother-of-all-computer-networks. > > The Internet is especially popular among scientists, and is > probably the most important scientific instrument of the late > twentieth century. The powerful, sophisticated access that it > provides to specialized data and personal communication has sped > up the pace of scientific research enormously. > > The Internet's pace of growth in the early 1990s is spectacular, > almost ferocious. It is spreading faster than cellular phones, > faster than fax machines. Last year the Internet was growing at > a rate of twenty percent a *month.* The number of `host' > machines with direct connection to TCP/IP has been doubling > every year since 1988. The Internet is moving out of its > original base in military and research institutions, into > elementary and high schools, as well as into public libraries > and the commercial sector. References ========== Bowers, K., T. LaQuey, J. Reynolds, K. Roubicek, M. Stahl, and A. Yuan, ``Where to Start - A Bibliography of General Internetworking Information'' (RFC-1175), CNRI, U Texas, ISI, BBN, SRI, Mitre, August 1990. The Whole Internet Catalog & User's Guide by Ed Krol. (1992) O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. --- A clear, non-jargonized introduction to the intimidating business of network literacy written in humorous style. Krol, E., ``The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet'' (RFC-1118), University of Illinois Urbana, September 1989. ``The User's Directory to Computer Networks'', by Tracy LaQuey. The Matrix: Computer Networks and Conferencing Systems Worldwide. by John Quarterman. Digital Press: Bedford, MA. (1990) --- Massive and highly technical compendium detailing the mind-boggling scope and complexity of global internetworks. ``!%@:: A Directory of Electronic Mail Addressing and Networks'' by Donnalyn Frey and Rick Adams. The Internet Companion, by Tracy LaQuey with Jeanne C. Ryer (1992) Addison Wesley. --- ``Evangelical'' etiquette guide to the Internet featuring anecdotal tales of life-changing Internet experiences. Foreword by Senator Al Gore. Zen and the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide by Brendan P. Kehoe (1992) Prentice Hall. --- Brief but useful Internet guide with plenty of good advice on useful databases. See also ftp.eff.com:/pub/internet-info/. (Thanks to Bruce Sterling for contributions here.) General ======= Cunningham, Scott and Alan L. Porter. ``Communication Networks: A dozen ways they'll change our lives.'' The Futurist 26, 1 (January-February, 1992): 19-22. Brian Kahin, ed., BUILDING INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1992) ISBN# 0-390-03083-X --- Essays on information infrastructure. Policy and design issues, research and NREN, future visions, information markets. See table of contents in ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/1992-03. Shapard, Jeffrey. ``Observations on Cross-Cultural Electronic Networking.'' Whole Earth Review (Winter) 1990: 32-35. Varley, Pamela. ``Electronic Democracy.'' Technology Review (November/December, 1991): 43-51. ______ <7.2> How Internet `anarchy' like the English language? According to Bruce Sterling : > The Internet's `anarchy' may seem strange or even unnatural, but > it makes a certain deep and basic sense. It's rather like the > `anarchy' of the English language. Nobody rents English, and > nobody owns English. As an English-speaking person, it's up > to you to learn how to speak English properly and make whatever > use you please of it (though the government provides certain > subsidies to help you learn to read and write a bit). > Otherwise, everybody just sort of pitches in, and somehow the > thing evolves on its own, and somehow turns out workable. And > interesting. Fascinating, even. Though a lot of people earn > their living from using and exploiting and teaching English, > `English' as an institution is public property, a public good. > Much the same goes for the Internet. Would English be improved > if the `The English Language, Inc.' had a board of directors > and a chief executive officer, or a President and a Congress? > There'd probably be a lot fewer new words in English, and a lot > fewer new ideas. _____ <7.3> Most Wanted list Hopefully you have benefitted from this creation, compilation, and condensation of information from various sources regarding privacy, identity, and anonymity on the internet. The author is committed to keeping this up-to-date and strengthening it, but this can only be effective with your feedback. In particular, the following items are sought: - Short summaries of RFC documents and other references listed, esp. CPSR files. - More data on the specific uses and penetration of RFC-931. - Internet traffic statistics. How much is email? How much USENET? What are the costs involved? - Famous or obscure examples of compromised privacy on the internet. - FTP site for the code (NOT the code) to turn the .plan file into a named pipe for sensing/reacting to remote `fingers'. - Knowledge on the `promiscuous' mode of receipt or transmission on network cards. - Details on the infamous experiment where a scientist resubmitted previously accepted papers to a prominent journal with new and unknown authors that were subsequently rejected. - X Windows, EFF, CPSR FAQhood in news.answers. Commerical use of this document is negotiable and is a way for the author to recoup from a significant time investment. Email feedback to ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu. Please note where you saw this (which newsgroup, etc.). _____ <7.4> Change history 3/3/93 v2.1 (current) CPSR pointer, new UNIX mode examples, digital telephony act, Steve Jackson incident, additions/ reorganization to anonymity section, part 3. Note: v2.0 post to sci.crypt, alt.privacy, news.answers, alt.answers, sci.answers was cancelled by J. Kamens because of incorrect subject line. 2/14/93 v2.0 Major revisions. New section for X Windows. Some email privacy items reorganized to network security section. New sections for email liability issues, anonymity history and responsibilities. Split into three files. Many new sources added, particularly from EFF and CAF in new `issues' part. `commentary' from news.admin.policy. 21 day automated posting starts. 2/3/93 v1.0 More newsgroups & FAQs added. More `Most Wanted'. Posted to news.answers. Future monthly posting to sci.crypt, alt.privacy. 2/1/93 v0.3 Formatted to 72 columns for quoting etc. `miscellaneous,' `resources' sections added with cypherpunk servers and use warnings. More UNIX examples (`ls' and `chmod'). Posted to alt.privacy, comp.society.privacy. 1/29/93 v0.2 `Identity' and `Privacy' sections added. `Anonymity' expanded. Remailer addresses removed due to lack of information and instability. Posted to sci.crypt. 1/25/93 v0.1 Originally posted to the cypherpunks mailing list on 1/25/93 as a call to organize a list of anonymous servers. email ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu for earlier versions. * * * SEE ALSO ======== Part 1 (previous file) ------ <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? Part 3 (next file) ------ <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? * * * This is Part 2 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days. Written by L. Detweiler . All rights reserved. " 10048,2,"From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (DIAMOND) Subject: Simple Windows question Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 15 Ok, here's a nice easy question for all you out there. When running DOS 5.0 under Windows 3.0, I lose the ability to do a print-screen. I have no problem with this when I'm running DOS not under Windows. If it's relavant, I'm using 'Quarterdeck 6.0' expanded memory manager for my 386. Please e-mail any responses, since I don't get to read the news too often. Thanks in advance. -- ||||||||||| ||||||||||| _|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_ jr0930@eve.albany.edu -|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||- jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet ||||||||||| GO HEAVY OR GO HOME ||||||||||| " 10049,5,"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu pyeatt@Texaco.com writes: >> There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or >> GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it >> allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, >> glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. Where do I get hold of these widgets? Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. " 10050,0,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Lines: 32 Maddi Hausmann chirps: >timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: > >>First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy. Why not try to be more >honest >>and include my sentence afterwards that >Honest, it just ended like that, I swear! That's nice. >Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and >rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls >people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr You forgot the third equality...whirrr...click...whirrr...see below... >Whirr click whirr...Frank O'Dwyer might also be contained >in that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr >""Killfile"" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank ""Closet Theist"" O'Dwyer = ... = Maddi ""The Mad Sound-O-Geek"" Hausmann ...whirrr...click...whirrr -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) " 10051,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords In-Reply-To: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:03:59 GMT Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers <1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com> <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes: Just a question. As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) You are obliged to let the police search the equipment if they have a proper court order. You are under no legal obligation to keep the data intelligble. If you wish to run your BBS entirely with all data encrypted such that if the police show up they cannot read anything, well, thats their problem. There are no legal restrictions on domestic use of cryptography in the United States -- YET. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 10052,12,"From: gtalatin@vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu (Gerard V. Talatinian) Subject: Low cost oscilloscopes? Nntp-Posting-Host: vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu Reply-To: gtalatin@ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 12 I am looking at buying a low cost (< $500) scope for general purpose use. Any recommendations? Is this info in a faq somewhere? Any pointers appreciated. Thanks, -Gerard. ****************************************************************** * Gerard Talatinian | * * Network Systems | gtalatin@ucs.indiana.edu * * University Computing Services | FAX: (812) 855-8299 * * Indiana University | Voice: (812) 855-0962 * ****************************************************************** " 10053,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 37 kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled: : In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: : |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: : |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: : |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? : |> >> : |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. : |> > : |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus : |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. : |> : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M., : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British : |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not : the name. : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate company from the RR Aero-Engine company. I think that the government own a stake. Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford. Bastards. This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government. -- Nick (the Cynical Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Leaky Gearbox M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 " 10054,7,"From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc. Engineering Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.48.14.46 In article <1qehi6$ork@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: > Ok, I'll give you a few reasons: > > 1. Neither car was designed to turn at those speeds. > 2. Neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds. > 3. Safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds. > 4. An uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances > where you might need to turn or stop with no notice. Do you, by any chance own an SHO or have access to one, such that you would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles? Just wondering... Tom Pickett tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com SHO GOZE " 10055,18,"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 73 In article rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: >julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: >|> In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >|> > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format >|> > so popular] >|> > >|> >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: >|> >|> Who? Where? >|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other >|> conservatives do as well. >|> >Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It >makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and >liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to >health for another go around. Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.' I suggest you listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back. Oh, BTW, Germany has sure come back as a terrible enemy after WWII, hasn't it? > >It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with >free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic >competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying >bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear. How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something. A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the humanitarian argument that democracies should help other democracies (or struggling democracies).) > >I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing >stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution >was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate >constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money >from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid. My two ""causes"" are aid to Russia and a strong space program. Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we only have gridlock on a congressional scale. BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of thing I thought Libertarians were against. Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and let it sink or swim. We could do that 100 years ago but not now. Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and global decision making. Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else " 10056,2,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: moving icons Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <1bp0rAHPBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away >from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name >of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) There's a program called ""Icon Frightener"" included with the book Stupid Windows Tricks by Bob LeVitus and Ed Tittel (Addison-Wesley, 1992). It's freeware. If it's not on the net anywhere, I'll happily email a copy to someone who's willing to upload it (I can't upload through our Internet firewall). -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com " 10057,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 06/10 - Public Key Cryptography Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 108 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 6 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Public Key Cryptography. Basics of public-key cryptography. The RSA version, its security, speed of factoring. Other approaches. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part06 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 6: Public-Key Cryptography This is the sixth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is public-key cryptography? * What's RSA? * Is RSA secure? * How fast can people factor numbers? * What about other public-key cryptosystems? * What is public-key cryptography? In a classic cryptosystem, we have encryption functions E_K and decryption functions D_K such that D_K(E_K(P)) = P for any plaintext P. In a public-key cryptosystem, E_K can be easily computed from some ``public key'' X which in turn is computed from K. X is published, so that anyone can encrypt messages. If D_K cannot be easily computed from X, then only the person who generated K can decrypt messages. That's the essence of public-key cryptography, published by Diffie and Hellman in 1976. In a classic cryptosystem, if you want your friends to be able to send secret messages to you, you have to make sure nobody other than them sees the key K. In a public-key cryptosystem, you just publish X, and you don't have to worry about spies. This is only the beginning of public-key cryptography. There is an extensive literature on security models for public-key cryptography, applications of public-key cryptography, other applications of the mathematical technology behind public-key cryptography, and so on. * What's RSA? RSA is a public-key cryptosystem defined by Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman. For full details, there is a FAQ available by ftp at RSA.COM. Here's a small example. Plaintexts are positive integers up to 2^{512}. Keys are quadruples (p,q,e,d), with p a 256-bit prime number, q a 258-bit prime number, and d and e large numbers with (de - 1) divisible by (p-1)(q-1). We define E_K(P) = P^e mod pq, D_K(C) = C^d mod pq. Now E_K is easily computed from the pair (pq,e)---but, as far as anyone knows, there is no easy way to compute D_K from the pair (pq,e). So whoever generates K can publish (pq,e). Anyone can send a secret message to him; he is the only one who can read the messages. * Is RSA secure? Nobody knows. An obvious attack on RSA is to factor pq into p and q. See below for comments on how fast state-of-the-art factorization algorithms run. Unfortunately nobody has the slightest idea how to prove that factorization---or any realistic problem at all, for that matter---is inherently slow. It is easy to formalize what we mean by ``RSA is/isn't strong''; but, as Hendrik W. Lenstra, Jr., says, ``Exact definitions appear to be necessary only when one wishes to prove that algorithms with certain properties do _not_ exist, and theoretical computer science is notoriously lacking in such negative results.'' * How fast can people factor numbers? It depends on the size of the numbers. In October 1992 Arjen Lenstra and Dan Bernstein factored 2^523 - 1 into primes, using about three weeks of MasPar time. (The MasPar is a 16384-processor SIMD machine; each processor can add about 200000 integers per second.) The algorithm there is called the ``number field sieve''; it is quite a bit faster for special numbers like 2^523 - 1 than for general numbers n, but it takes time only about exp(O(log^{1/3} n log^{2/3} log n)) in any case. An older and more popular method for smaller numbers is the ``multiple polynomial quadratic sieve'', which takes time exp(O(log^{1/2} n log^{1/2} log n))---faster than the number field sieve for small n, but slower for large n. The breakeven point is somewhere between 100 and 150 digits, depending on the implementations. Factorization is a fast-moving field---the state of the art just a few years ago was nowhere near as good as it is now. If no new methods are developed, then 2048-bit RSA keys will always be safe from factorization, but one can't predict the future. (Before the number field sieve was found, many people conjectured that the quadratic sieve was asymptotically as fast as any factoring method could be.) * What about other public-key cryptosystems? We've talked about RSA because it's well known and easy to describe. But there are lots of other public-key systems around, many of which are faster than RSA or depend on problems more widely believed to be difficult. This has been just a brief introduction; if you really want to learn about the many facets of public-key cryptography, consult the books and journal articles listed in part 10. " 10058,6,"From: mjerger@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (militant archangel) Subject: hp48sx with 128k Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 HP 48SX calculator with 128K card. Have manuals, boxes, pc cable, etc. Only 5 months old, hardly used. Make an offer. Mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Jerger | Internet: mjerger@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu " 10059,2,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: CTRL-ALT DEL locks the computer fafter Windows Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Whenever I exit Windows, I can't use control-alt DEL to reboot my computer, because the system hangs when I do this. I can still reboot using the reset key, but I would like to know why this happens.. Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com " 10060,7,"From: jong@halcyon.com (Barking Weasel) Subject: Re: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 Lines: 36 schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes: >I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been >doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got >over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a >transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use? Yeah. I don't use the clutch all the time either. I've done it with Fords, BMW, Datsun, and Chevy and it works fine. I can't think of any reason that it would damage the tranny. Essentially you are just doing what the synchros do anyhow - match the engine speed with the tranny speed and slip it into gear. >On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so >worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless. >To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where >harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother >quicker & easier they where to shift. >My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently >wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, >I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless >shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some >times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5. Sounds about right. I usually slip it out during throttle-down and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right (usually about a second) and then slip it into gear... >krispy -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon ""You obviously don't know who you're dealing with"" Gross jong@halcyon.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10061,17,"Reply-To: dcs@witsend.tnet.com From: ""D. C. Sessions"" Organization: Nobody but me -- really X-Newsposter: TMail version 1.20R Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Distribution: world Lines: 23 In <1993Apr21.104330.16704@ifi.uio.no>, michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger) wrote: # # In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: # > In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought # > Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct # > the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily # > (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article # > saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. # > # Was the article about zionism? or about something else. The majority # of people I heard emitting this ignorant statement, do not really # know what zionism is. They have just associated it with what they think # they know about the political situation in the middle east. # # So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just told you, ""Zionism is Racism."" This is a tautological statement. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- " 10062,5,"From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: Re: PostScript on X-terminal Lines: 42 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University I tried to e-mail you but it bounced so... Hi there, In article <4263@his.UUCP> you write: >From: sp1henhj@edit (Henrik Balthazar Hjort) >Subject: PostScript on X-terminal > > > I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local >on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect >to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the >PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. > > Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? > > Is there any way to make it work? > It might be that the X terminal doesn't support the ""Postscript Extensions to X"" product. I use the 'dxpsview' program on a DECstation 5000 to view postscript files but when I moved to an NCD X terminal, I couldn't use it any more. So I ftp'd and compiled GhostScript (GNU software). Now we can view postscript files on our X terminals. Hope this helps. Grant > > Henrik ""Henrik Hjort"" Hjort > > > > -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== Take everything in stride. Trample anyone who gets in your way. " 10063,18,"From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Subject: Re: CLINTON: President's Trip to Pittsburg [sic] Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 37 In article <1ql6bgINNklu@life.ai.mit.edu> Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) writes: > STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY > The President will travel to Pittsburgh on Saturday, April >17 to talk about his job creation plan and its impact on the >state of Pennsylvania, where it would create as many as 3,818 ^^^^^ ^^^^^ *Would*? Ha Haaaa Haa ha haAA How the hell can they come up with a number, specified to the units column, on something as complicated as this? Face it, it's the perceptions that matter here, folks, not the facts. Especially this one: >full time jobs and up to 21,240 summer jobs. He will make a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, that means over 7200 new jobs for Allegheny county (metro Pgh) alone! Haaaa HAAA ha HA HAAA heh heh HAAAA Doing what? I hope it's fixing the potholes on my street. Let's face it, folks, we're in a depression and this is the WPA. Clinton's really coming here to beat on Sen. Arlen Specter, who happens to be vacationing in Africa (Don't know whether to laugh or cry) -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. ** " 10064,4,"From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) Subject: Re: How often are SIMMs bad (mail order)? Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Hi, I got a glimpse from the other side, talking to the technician at the place I recently bought my Mac from. The guy told me that they stopped shipping SIMMs to their customers and only install them themselves - those babies get zapped too easily by static electricity or so they claim. HSK -- Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel, womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel. Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten, Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten. ... H. Heine " 10065,17,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are just trying to discredit Israel). Ed. " 10066,7,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Dumbest Driver Action Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: usa Lines: 41 In mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes: >jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>I wish I had the figures with me to back me up, but I recall >>statistics showing that women tended to have more accidents than men >>but the damage was generally quite minor. Men had fewer but far more >>expensive accidents. The rate of total vehicle destruction was >>*significantly* higher for men than women, particularly in the younger >>male age groups. >>IMHO social considerations are probably the strongest influence here, >>possibly more so than any difference between the sexes. Social >>influences often affect the type of car that's bought and the >>situations the car is used in, and the type of car and driving >>situations have a major effect on accident risk. Thus if society >>expects you to buy a Mustang and race it on the street you're more >>likely to do it, and our society expects that of males more than >>females. >I agree with some of your social influences, such as driving conditions, >but lets get real here. Guys don't drag race becuase there expected too, >we do it becuase its fun! (and we find out whose car is faster). >Guys drive different than women becuase there men. When a driver is >driving 'unusually', I can usually figure out if it is a male or female >driver without looking at the driver. >Social influences may give a person more reason to buy a vehicle that >has a certain amount of character which he or she would like associated >with. Do you change your driving habits when no one is around? Sheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live, but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least they will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity with us old folks :-). >>My $.02. >Mark B. >>jim frost >>jimf@centerline.com Bob " 10067,0,"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com This (frayed) thread has turned into a patented alt.atheism 5-on-1 ping-pong game, and I don't have any strong disagreement, so I'll try to stick to the one thing I don't quite follow about the argument: It seems to me that there is a contradiction in arguing that the Bible was ""enlightened for its times"" (i.e. closer to what we would consider morally good based on our standards and past experience) on the one hand [I hope this summarizes this argument adequately], and on the other hand: In article <1993Apr03.001125.23294@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes: }In article <1phpe1INN8g6@dsi.dsinc.com>, perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: }|> }Disclaimer: I'm speaking from the Jewish perspective, }|> }where ""the Bible"" means what many call the Old Testament, }|> }and where the interpretation is not necessarily the }|> }raw text, but instead the court cases, commentaries }|> }and traditions passed down through Jewish communities. }|> }|> This seems the crux to me: if you judge the Bible according to a long }|> line of traditions and interpretations coming down to the current day, }|> rather than on its own merits as a cultural artifact, then of course }|> it will correspond more closely with more contemporary values. } }But if that's how the Bible is actually being used today, }shouldn't that be how we should judge it? If most people }use scissors to cut paper, shouldn't Consumer's Reports }test scissors for paper-cutting ability, even though }scissors may have been designed originally to cut cloth? That's possibly a good way to judge the use of the Bible in teaching Jewish morality today, but it hardly seems fair to claim that this highly-interpreted version is what was ""enlightened for its times"". To (attempt to) extend the analogy, this is like saying that the original scissor-makers were unusually advanced at paper-cutting for their times, even though they only ever cut cloth, and had never even heard of paper. I'm not arguing that the Bible is ""disgusting"", though some of the history depicted in it is, by modern standards. However, history is full of similar abuses, and I don't think the Biblical accounts are worse than their contemporaries--or possibly ours. On the other hand, I don't know of any reason to think the history described in the Bible shows *less* abuse than their contemporaries, or ours. That complex and benign moral traditions have evolved based on particular mythic interpretations of that history is interesting, but I still don't think it fair to take that long tradition of interpretation and use it to attack condemnation of the original history. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. 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MQ#&'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' -------- End of part 5 of 14 -------- " 10069,13,"From: andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Andrew Patrick) Subject: Any Interest in a Mailing List on Epilepsy and Seizures? Nntp-Posting-Host: calvin.dgbt.doc.ca Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 36 I have seen a fair bit of traffic recently concerning Epilepsy and seizures. I am also interested in this subject -- I have a son with Epilepsy and I am very active with the local association. I posted a message like this a few months ago and received no replies, but here it is again. Is anyone interested in participating in a mailing list on Epilepsy and seizures? This would allow us to hold discussions and share information via electronic mail. I already run a Listserver for two other groups, so the mechanics would be easy. If you are interested, mail me a note. If I get enough replies, I will make it happen and provide you with the details. BTW, I have also started a database on Epilepsy. This is part of my research on natural language question answering systems. Users of this service are able to ask questions about Epilepsy and the program searches the database and retrieves its best response. The technology works by comparing your question against a set of questions that have been seen before. All new questions that are not answered are recorded and used to improve the system. This database is still small and sparse, but we are adding new information. To try it out, do the following telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca login: chat Then select the Epilepsy item from the menu of databases. -- Andrew Patrick, Ph.D. Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, CANADA andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.CA For a good time, run ""telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca"" and login as ""chat"". " 10070,9,"From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) Subject: A Move we won't see (was Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win.....) Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu Summary: it would be tragic if ted simmons were to pick up mo vaughn stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly) writes: >1. Mo Vaughn CAN hit .400 in the spring. >1b. Mo Vaughn CAN Only hit .230 during the season. Excellent point. I hope to God that Ted Simmons doesn't get the weird idea of trading for the guy. And if he does, he had better not include Jeff King in the deal. Oh God--what if he traded Zane Smith and Jeff King for Vaughn and Greg Blosser? It would be worse than The Nichols Curse! Hmm, I guess that doesn't sound sincere enough. Oh well, at least I tried... jking " 10071,18,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Re : BillaryKlintonKligue Illegal War Lines: 5 The operation going on in Somalia is a peacekeeping/peaceenforcement operation where force may be used. It is not a war. It is also legal under international law, which is higher than US law. The operation is occuring under the ageis of the United Nations. Can't get a higher authority than that on this earth. " 10072,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ""Exercise"" Hypertension Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <93084.140929RFM@psuvm.psu.edu> RFM@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >I took a stress test a couple weeks back, and results came back noting >""Exercise"" Hypertension. Fool that I am, I didn't ask Doc what this meant, >and she didn't explain; and now I'm wondering. Can anyone out there >enlighten. And I promise, next time I'll ask! Probably she meant that your blood pressure went up while you were on the treadmill. This is normal. You'll have to ask her if this is what she meant, since no one else can answer for another person. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10073,12,"From: dpalmer@mcnc.org (W. Dev Palmer) Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC Article-I.D.: mcnc.1993Apr6.220327.4042 Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr6.053736.23113@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes: >>In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes: >> >>> If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick >>>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port > >I believe that the ""A-D converters"" found on a joystick port are really >timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your >paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc. For games this works >pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab >measurements off something as non-linear as that. The best info I have seen so far is the article ""Joystick Metrics: Measuring physical properties through the PC's joystick port"" by Michael Covington in the May 1985 issue of PC Tech Journal. It talks about how to read all kinds of things (voltage, current, resistance) in BASIC, and even includes code for a simple ""oscilloscope"" display. It's possible to read the joystick port directly if you don't want to use BASIC. The detailed information for this is in the PC Technical Reference under Options and Adapters. You have to provide some millisecond resolution timing functions, but that's a subject which has appeared many times in articles from Dr. Dobb's, Circuit Cellar Ink, etc. Look for the public domain ztimer package on wuarchive. Good Luck, Dev Palmer dpalmer@mcnc.org MCNC Room 212 P.O. Box 12889 RTP, NC 27709-2889 (919) 248-1837 (919) 248-1455 FAX " 10074,0,"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: Re: free moral agency Distribution: world Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 11 : Are you saying that their was a physical Adam and Eve, and that all : humans are direct decendents of only these two human beings.? Then who : were Cain and Able's wives? Couldn't be their sisters, because A&E : didn't have daughters. Were they non-humans? Genesis 5:4 and the days of Adam after he begat Seth were eight hundred years, and he begat sons and daughters: Felicitations -- Chris Ho-Stuart " 10075,10,"From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: Re: Lindros will be traded!!! Article-I.D.: LMSC5.93096.46336.J056600 Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 19 In <1993Apr5.163209.576@r-node.hub.org>, Jay Chu writes: >True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! >Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from >Montreal. >Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) >Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. Sheesh. The rumor mill strikes again. But let's just assume this were true. My question is this: What would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle? Tim Irvin ***************************************************************************** " 10076,3,"From: jzawodn@bgsu.edu (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Subject: Help needed in setting up NCSA Telnet w/ AppleTalk or Phonenet... Summary: help me.... Organization: Bowling Green State Univ. Lines: 21 Okay, I'm trying to install NCSA telnet on a couple (okay, a whole bunch) of machines. They're all true blue IBMs with either Fallon Phonenet cards or Dastar cards. (I belive those names are correct.) Well, the docs for telnet say that it'll run over an AppleTalk driver, but I've had little success. If anyone has succesfully installed Telnet w/ AppleTalk, I'd like some help with the config file for Telnet... BTW, please reply via E-mail if possible... Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Zawodny | Computer Science Undergrad | Bowling Green State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jzawodn@andy.bgsu.edu | Student Computer Consultant | *thrilled* OS/2 2.0 user " 10077,3,"From: franke@andrej.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Christian Franke) Subject: Info about Fast Centronics, ECP, EPP Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrej.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Keywords: Centronics, ECP, EPP Hello, in the EDN magazine I found a note about the new C&T 82C735 I/O Controller. It support several parallel port protocols, including Fast Centronics Microsoft Enhanced Capabilities Protocol (ECP) Enhanced Parallel Port (EPP) The last two handle data rates up to 2Mbytes/sec. Is there any specification about these protocols available? Regards, Christian Franke Aachen University of Technology Informatik I Ahornstrasse 55 W-5100 Aachen Germany Tel.: +49.241.80-21111 E-Mail: franke@informatik.rwth-aachen.de " 10078,1,"From: KINDER@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (JIM COBB) Subject: ET 4000 /W32 VL-Bus Cards Organization: University of Florida, NERDC Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Does anyone know of a VL-Bus video card based on the ET4000 /W32 card? If so: how much will it cost, where can I get one, does it come with more than 1MB of ram, and what is the windows performance like? " 10079,7,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: JEEP WRANGLER - OPINI Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com In article 4DB@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu, mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) writes: >How do I square this with a respectable resale value? Easy- if it's expensive > to buy new, it's gonna be expensive to buy used. >=============================== >A patently false statement. Try this logic on an Alfa 164. In fact, >marketplace has a wonderufl mechanism to ""adjust"" the value of the cars that >are overpriced by the manufacturer. If it is expensive to buy new it is NOT >necessarily expnesive to buy used. In fact, it could be real cheap to buy >used, depending what that car is of course. Note that I do not question your >statements on the reliability of Wrangler. I have never owned one, driven one >or been in one (I do love to have one though!). What I don't understand is why >this apparent neglect of quality for so many years has not filtered down into >the used market.Is Jeep so intoxicating, so irresistable and so seductive as >to make its purchase a fatal attraction?. > >Bijan Yep. They are popular vehicles. You don't see a lot of previous model year ones sitting on dealer's lots for any lenghth of time after the new ones are out. The things sell, they are popular. Because they are popular, and high-priced new, they are high price used, very simple. I knew they were overpriced when I bought it... I knew they had a terrible reliability record when I bought it. But I didn't expect anything like I got, especially with a dealer network unable to repair it. Personal experience has quickly cured me of my infatuation with the machine. Dave " 10080,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Surviving Large Accelerations? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 13 In article Amruth Laxman writes: >... here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in >fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of >course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration? This sounds a bit high to me. Still higher accelerations have been endured *very briefly*, during violent deceleration. If we're talking sustained acceleration, I think 30-odd gees has been demonstrated using water immersion. I doubt that any of this generalizes to another order of magnitude. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 10081,9,"From: (Austin Jacobs) Subject: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT! Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: University of Yaleta Lines: 17 Don't you GUYS think so? I mean, c'mon! What the heck are women doing even THINKING of getting into baseball. They cause so many problems. Just look at Lisa Olson. Remember that feisty reporter that entered the New England Patriots locker room? She started crying like a LITTLE GIRL! I just don't think women belong in a man's sport. Before you smart guys flame me for this, I know the given example was about football. Who cares? It still applies to other MALE sports. How can we have women umpires? Jeez! Look at Pam Postema. Just because she's a woman, everybody on the face of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to ump. If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of roast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires. Besides, she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of Wade Boggs' bat. Or Jose Oquendo's bat. Either way, there are too many complications. ÑAustin Jacobs (Bob Knepper Fan Club Member #12) " 10082,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: getting to the point! Lines: 12 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 12 To all a.a readers: I have been asked be several of you to post a list of the SDA Church's 27 Fundamental beliefs. I warn you now, it's a long list. However, I'll post it on Sunday. Sabbath is coming up soon so I won't be reading on Saturday. And I don't have time to do it now. I would GREATLY appreciate it if you would keep me in touch with what's going on. I hope all of you have a reastful and relaxing weekend. I hope it's the best one so far!! Tammy " 10083,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Briefing by George Stephanopoulos 4.5.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 581 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOLOUS The Briefing Room 10:10 A.M. EDT MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know, the President is soon to be on his way, on Amtrack to Camden Yards. He'll be throwing out the first pitch. Q It's MARC, the Maryland Area Transit, it's not Amtrack. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, it's not Amtrack? Well, he's going from Union Station, you're right. Excuse me. Q George, what exactly are you prepared to do to break the logjam with ??? Senate? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, as you know, there are discussions between Senator Mitchell and Senator Dole this morning, and I think that the President is going to continue to make the point that he believes that our investment package, our jobs package needs to be passed as quickly as possible. We need this investment for summer jobs, for immunization, for highway construction, for the important programs that will put people back to work right away this summer. And the President continues to believe his program should be passed. Q Will he compromise, that's the question? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, as you know, the discussions are going on this morning in the Senate betwen Senator Mitchell and Senator Dole, let's see what they come up with. But the President believes his jobs program should go forward. Q George, would the President be willing to accept $8 billion for one year, which apparently appears to be the compromise being offered by -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I don't know what is being offered by either side. The Senate discussions are going on right now, let's see what happens today. Q Would he go that far -- no matter what the Republicans have offered so far, would he go that far, $8 billion per year? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President believes that his program should be passed at this time. Clearly, we're going to be willing to listen to what the Senators might or might not be able to come up with, but I'm not going to get into figures right now. Let's see what happens. Q It's reasonable to assume, isn't it, from what has happened so far that a compromise is going to be necessary in order to get a vote? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the Republicans seem more intrested in stopping progress on the President's jobs bill, than in doing something to create -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the Republicans seem more interested in stopping progress on the President's jobs bill than in doing something to create real action, real jobs this summer for the American people. I think there's no question about that. There's been some frustration of legislative activity over the last few days. Q So, you'll need to compromise to get your package through? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We'll see what happens with the conversations between Senator Mitchell and Senator Dole this morning. Q prepared to compromise -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President's prepared to listen to what Senator Mitchell has to say this morning after his meeting with Senator Dole. Q Does he feel that he has been defeated in his -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not in the least. In fact, he's been very successful so far in the beginning of his term. Q How? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He passed his budget in record time, in six weeks, and it's a budget which reduces the deficit by $500 billion over five years. And it's a budget which provides for important investments in our future. Right now we've also had strong passage of his jobs program through the House. Simply because a minority of Republicans in the Senate choose to perpetuate gridlock and hold up action on the President's jobs program is not a sign that he is not succeeding overall. Q He can't beat this, can he? Q The fact is they can do that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the Republicans can stop action. There's no question about that. Q What are you going to do about it? Q George, what do you know about these alleged notes taken by Boris Yeltsin during one of the meetings in which it appears that the President told Boris Yeltsin not to trust the Japanese; that when they say yes they mean no? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that's a complete misreading of what happened at the meeting. The context of the conversation was that President Clinton was actually reassuring President Yeltsin at the time about his conversations with Prime Minister Miyazawa over the Kuril Islands and the Prime Minister's belief that Japan would play a constructive role in the G-7 process. I mean this was a casual comment about Japanese courtesy and etiquette but overall it was in the context of a conversation where he was reassuring President Yeltsin that he believed the Japanese were serious about their commitment to the G-7 process. Q Are you saying that the President said that when the Japanese say yes they mean no? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's not -- I don't know the exact words and there was a much longer discussion about he did say something along the lines that he believes that on this issue Prime Minister Miyazawa intends to really go forward with the G-7 process. Q Have there been any attempts to explain this to the Japanese because apparently the Japanese press has picked this up and there appears to be -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I've seen the reports in the Japanese press and it actually does put the situation in context. It does talk about the Japanese -- understanding the Japanese points of view. I don't think it's going to be a problem. I believe that there may have been some diplomatic context just to clear things up but I'm not positive. Q George, was the specific comment that was made specific to the Kuril Island situation or was it a general observation on Japanese etiquette? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The discussion was about -- Q The specific comment is what I'm asking about that has alleged to have been translated from the Russian notes, ""when the Japanese say yes they mean no."" MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, it was a combination. I mean I don't think that's the whole sentence. I think that the specific comment was a broad, general observation followed up by a specific finish to the sentence where he said in this case he believes that Prime Minister Miyazawa means to keep the commitment. Q Was he saying it facetiously first? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think it was just a casual observation. Q And then you say diplomatic contacts were made to clear it up. Has the President sent a message? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, I don't think the President spoke; I believe that Secretary Christopher has made some calls but I'm not sure exactly how many. Q Well, this obviously is a bigger deal than you're making it out to be if Christopher has had to make some calls. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, no. It was just that we got the reports in Vancouver and the Secretary wanted to make sure that it was understood and make sure there was absolutely no MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: -- reports in Vancouver, and the Secretary wanted to make sure that it was understood, and make sure there is absolutely no misunderstanding, and I don't believe there is on. Q What is our position about the Japanese? That they may have to say one thing, but actualy mean another? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No. The position on the Japanese is as the President stated to President Yeltsin throughout the two days. He said that he had had a good conversation with Prime Minister Miazawa prior to the Summit. He reiterated the U.S. position, the long-standing support for the Japanese position on the Kuril Islands, but also reiterated Prime Minister Miazawa's commitment to move forward on the G-7 process and to play a constructive role. And I think President Yeltsin was very glad to hear that. Q After listening to Secretary Christopher on Iraq for the last few days, I'm a little confused. What is the U.S. policy? Do you want to see Saddam Hussein overturned? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's the same policy that Secretary Christopher has reiterated, and all of the U.S officials have reiterated. We expect full and complete and unequivocal compliance with all U.N. resolutions. Right now we do not have that compliance. Q throwing it out further that if Iraq complies, Saddam can't stay in office? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right. I think that that's -- our judgment is that it is not possible for Saddam Hussein to comply with the resolutions and stay in power. But the important point is that we expect compliance by Iraq with all U.N. resolutions, and we will continue to demand it. Q And are you concerned the Iran will become the dominant power in the area -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Secretary Christopher has also spoken to Iran over the last several days, and he says we also expect full Iranian compliance with all international norms, and stopping support of terrorism. Q That's a very glib statement that he won't stay in power if he complies with U.N. resolutions. On what logic do you base that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right now Saddam Hussein is not complying with the U.N. resolutions at all. He is not respecting the rights of his people, as is required by the U.N. resolution. He is not fully complying with all the resolutions regarding inspections. He is not fully complying with all the resolutions regarding armaments. Q Well, when do you think that if he did comply he would be out of power? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, right now his power rests on the repression of his people. If he stopped doing that it would make it more difficult for him to stay in power. Q George, back on the stimulus package, why is it that you and the President accuse the Republicans of playing pure politics and perpetuating gridlock? Why is it that -- what evidence do you have that they just don't have a genuine idealogical difference with you that's in good faith? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the fact that several times in the past the Republicans, many of the ones who are now leading the fight for the filibuster, have supported the very funding they now seek to stop, most especially, the highway funding. Q George, in regards to that, some of the moderate Republicans said that the White House erred by not being more open to them during the -- while the plan was put together, that they had one, sort of, proforma meeting between the White House and the Senate Republicans, and that was it. Does the Administration look back and thinks perhaps it could have done a better job of working with some - - MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I'm not sure that it's true that there was only one meeting. I mean, the President met with the Republican leadership on at least two occasions before the introduction of his package. He met with the entire Senate Republican Caucus also for lunch, and went up there. We are continually in contact with as many Republicans as we can find who have an interest in the President's package. We are interested in what they have to say, as well. But we believe that this program is important, and we're going to continue to fight for it. Q your all or nothing, do it with the Democrats alone strategy, did you maybe miscalculate the ability to get it through? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I mean, I think that there is no question that under the Senate rules a determined minority can frustrate activity. I mean, there is just no question about that. You only need 40 plus one to keep going. 40 plus one to keep going and to stop any action, and that's what the Republicans are doing. Q going to rethink the way you attempt to get other things passed as you go through this process for the rest of the summer? Q work with Republicans and try to woo some Republicans into your camp? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we're going to continue to look for the support of Republicans whenever we can get it on the President's intiatives? Q But on this one -- how are you going to do it differently than you did it on this one because on this one you really did stiff the Republicans from the beginning and made it clear that it was a Democratic majority that would get this through and could get it through and you really didn't need Republican votes? Are you going to take a different tack when you have to go for particular votes? When you have to go through -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't see into the future and understand every possible turn in the legislative road. Clearly the President's going to continue to reach out when he can. Q You don't have any regrets then about the way you have handled it up to now and you don't plan any changes in your approach in dealing with the Republicans in Congress based on this experience? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Obviously the President would like his package passed as quickly as possible and he's going to continue to press for that. We will continue to reach out to Republicans, there's not question about that. And we'll continue to reason with them and try and find appropriate avenues for cooperation. In this case the Republicans have chosen to unify around a filibuster, around a plan to frustrate action not a plan to move forward. Q They're being denied any other legislative means of putting their proposals forward. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think they're being -- Q any ideas. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think their amendments are being defeated; I don't know that they're being denied. Q to present them. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's not exactly true. I mean they get the votes -- Q that theirs can be passed though by the parliamentary rules under which they're playing. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Unless they get a majority in support all the way around, no, that's not exactly true. Q George, one more on Iraq. Is the administration backing any of the Iraqi opposition? Grooming any new leadership? Q backing any of the Iraqi -- leadership? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, I -- again, we're pressing for Iraqi compliance. I don't know if we can get into the business of grooming leadership. I believe there have been some contacts, at some levels, with Iraqi opposition groups. I don't know about anything recently. Q Jesse Jackson, who, of course, is not the President's best friend, has, however, been told that there is to be some kind of town meeting, or some kind of involvement by the President, pre-empted the ball game -- Los Angeles. Will he consider something like that, or any other kind of intervention there? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, as you know, the President appointed Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, about 10 days ago, to be a special envoy to California, and coordiante cabinet activities around the California economic situation, including the situation in Los Angeles. I believe there will also be visits out to Los Angeles by the Education -- or have been visits by the Education Secretary, Mr. Riley. I believe that Transportation Secretary Pena and HUD Secretary Cisneros are also going out. And there may be other visits by Cabinet officials over the next several days and weeks. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a visit by President Clinton to California. Obviously, he is following the situation closely, and is concerned about making sure that we make the right long term policy decisions that will help create the kind of economic opportunities which help prevent disturbances. But we're going to continue to watch it. Q George, as a follow-up, Reverend Jackson is also supposed to be outside the ball park today, in Baltimore, with a group of supporters protesting the lack of minorities in baseball management. Does the President have a position on that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has received correspondence from Reverend Jackson. I know that Reverend Jackson has also spoken with the White House Chief of Staff, Mack McLarty. He clearly raises serious questions. There has been some progress in baseball over the last several years, but still not enough. But the President intends to continue to go to the ball game. Q Is he going to say anything about it today, or see Reverend Jackson while he's out there? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if he is going to see them, but as I said, the President believes that Reverend Jackson has raised some serious questions, and it's something that, as I said, even though there has been progress, it's clearly not enough. Q Did Reverend Jackson ask him not to go to the ball game? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure about that. I believe the characterization the Reverend Jackson is talking about is an informational pickett. I don't know that he asked him not to go to the ball game, but he sent a long, detailed, formal letter outlining his concerns with the situation in major league baseball and the President read it. Q George, the Orioles are playing the Rangers, the managing partner of the Rangers is George W. Bush. Is he going to be there, and is he going to meet with the President? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know. Q What is the Mubarak schedule? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I know that President Mubarak is coming tomorrow morning for a working meeting, they will have a lunch, and I believe that he is having dinner tonight with Vice President Gore. Q And joint statements tomorrow -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I believe so, yes. At the end, yes. Q Is there evidence, George, that the Egyptians did warn the U.S. about a potential terrorist bombing -- terrorist activities? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As reported in The New York Times, I mean, I think that President Mubarak did say that there has been general conversations with the Egyptians, as there have been for a long period of time. We do have general intelligence sharing, I mean. But President Mubarak was very careful to point out that there was no specific information on this visit that was passed forward. The President will continue to investigate the situation, but he also reiterates his belief that we cannot tolerate terrorism of any kind. Q George, he did make specific -- or the Egyptians, apparently, did issue specific warnings about this individual who, forgive me --this individual who, forgive me the name escapes me at the moment, and said the Egyptians were more or less rebuffed in their attempts to get some kind of action. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don't know if I would agree with your characterization of the Mubarak interview. He did say that they gave general warnings about the possibility of a network in the United States and upon which we took appropriate action. But there was no specific information on this specific operation at all. Q So, the White House doesn't feel that any of the law enforcement agencies whether it be the CIA or FBI who would have received this kind of information was lax or derelict in its duty in not pursuing some kind of -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, not at all. Q What's next with Serbia? It got only a passing mention in the news conference yesterday -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: You didn't get to ask your question. Q Yes, exactly. Was there any agreement on concerted action between the two countries? And even if there wasn't, what does the U.S. do next? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the U.S. is clearly going to move forward in the U.N. today continuing discussions with our allies on a sanctions resolution and we'll continue to look for ways to press the Serbians to come to the negotiating table and sign an agreement. Q George, why do you think sanctions is still an option? I mean the Serbians make it clear that at least the leadership is surviving just fine and they feel like they can wait you out and even the administration officials we had in the other day said there's no evidence that they're going to have an effect any time soon. The Bosnian Serbs have said no to the peace plan. When does no mean no and you have to do something different? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I mean we are doing something different. We're moving forward on further sanctions through the U.N. and those discussions will continue. We're going to continue to try and tighten the noose on Serbia, and I think that every opportunity we have to do that will have an effect over time. Q Are we looking again at lifting the arms embargo? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has said that this is something that is under consideration. Q George, do you have any more on Hugh Rodham's condition, how he's doing? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As far as I know nothing's changed. Q George, -- week after Mr. Mubarak? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's a little unclear. I think we'll be able to get you more either tonight or tomorrow morning after the Mubarak visit. Q Is he going somewhere for Easter? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not that I know of. Q What more can you tell us about the additional aid to Russia that the President plans to ask Congress about? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's going to be consulting with the Congress and with our G-7 partners over the next couple of weeks. I know that he spoke last evening with Congressman Gephardt and their delegation before the -- the congressional delegation meets with the Russians this week and those consultations will continue over the next several weeks. Q Do you expect that package to be of the magnitude of the one announced Sunday? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not going to discuss the magnitude. Q How about the list of Cold War restrictions, where do you stand on that -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As the President said yesterday, he's going to be looking for that list from the Congress this week and reviewing it. He believes -- he's going to try and get it this week and he's going to review the list, and we're going to take a hard look at it. Q But they're making it up? I mean it's no White House involvement, Congress is compiling this list? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think he's going to talk to the congressional leaders about compiling the list but I'm certain we'll be able to get our own researchers working as well. Q George, isn't lifting the arms embargo more of a probability than a possibility? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's something that's under discussion. Q Secretary Christopher has said that it's a matter of time and -- for months before that happens. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, all I can say is that it's something that the President is reviewing. Right now we're working with our allies in the U.N on a sanctions resolution, and we'll continue to review other matters. Q George, can you tell us anything about the schedule this week? Any travel? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They just asked about that. I don't have anything more beyond tomorrow's visit with Mubarak right now. Q Are there consultations, George, with any Jewish American organizations concerning Jackson-Vanick? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know the National Conference of Soviet Jewry has a list of, I believe, MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: -- as you know, the National Conference of Soviet Jewry has a list of, I believe, 200 Refuseniks. We'll certainly take a look at that and continue appropriate discussions. Thanks. ### " 10084,12,"From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: Do Analog Systems Need Ground Planes? Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 25 engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg (SOH KAM YUNG) writes: >I understand the need for a ground plane in a digital system. However, I >would like to know if such a ground plane is also necessary in an analog >system. > >(Note: this ground plane will not be connected, except at one point, to >the signal ground). > >I keep getting conflicting answers over this. Does having a ground plane >in an analog system help reduce noise also? My system only deals with >low frequency signals (up to 100Hz only!!!). Well, one reason for getting conflicting answers is that it depends on what you want the ground plane to do. A continuous conductor is a good electrostatic shield. Do you have signals on your board that need shielding rom other things? This shielding won't do much good for magnetic fields, unless you make it continuous around the circuit to be shielded, like a Faraday cage. The flip side of the coin: if you are working with (very) high impedances, you could end up with capacitances to the gound plane that cause problems. You aren't likely to encounter this at 100Hz, but at 20kHz, it can be a real problem (one that bit me once). " 10085,11,"From: bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Organization: Oce Graphics USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 22 Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: : : >: I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to : >: be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I : >: am right. :( : > : >It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact : >with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. : >Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography : >and immaturity I wonder. : : Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them : they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. : : You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. : I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead. Putz Cain " 10086,2,"From: kayman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 42 In article wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: >ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: > >>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? > >>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! > >I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball >in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse >notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ). > >I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad. > >Wouter. And/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with alcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning your cassette deck). This is good to do every so often, even if you have a mouse pad. Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the rubber ball. As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and vertical sensors. Hope this helps. Good luck. -- Sincerely, Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu ""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" ""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised?!?!"" " 10087,9,"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support Lines: 75 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article , philly@bach.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.182452.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: > >>>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a >>>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped >>>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the >>>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the >>>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. >> > >>And what was the reasoning of this genius writer? That, even though their >>pitching is at best ""sound"", they will win on the strength of their offense. >>Lesse: >> '93 offense = '92 offense + (Thompson & Incaviglia) >> >> '92 offense = 72 wins >> '93 division winners = (at least) 88 wins >> >>So, >> 88 wins = 72 wins + (Thompson & Incaviglia) >> >>Therefore, >> 16 wins = Thompson & Incaviglia >> >>What did you learn in school today? >> >>If you take a math course and your teacher turns out to be Rob Rains, run, >>don't walk, to drop/add. >> P. Tierney > > You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, > Thompson and Incaviglia don't equal 16 wins, but I'll take the two > of them over Stan Javier and Ruben Amaro (.249 1HR, 334AB & > .219 7HR 374 AB) I'd say this improvement should equate to 6or 7 > wins at least. > > Then, I'll take Lenny Dykstra who played 85 games last year and > project his numbers (.301, 104 hits, 18 2B's, 6 HR, 39RBI, 30 SB) > over 150 games. Thus(.301, 188 hits, 32 2B's, 11HR, 70RBI, 54 SB) > Okay, now we'll put these numbers in the leadoff hole and thus > I have to bump Kruk, Hollins, Daulton RBI numbers up just a tad... > now lesse... they knocked in 70, 93, and 109 respectively. Don't > you think it's fair to add about 5 or 6 RBI to each? They managed > to knock in a pretty nice amount of runs with a .219 leadoff hitter. > Okay bozo, do you think it's fair to add maybe 7 or 8 more wins > now? Oh, and how can I forget Wes Chamberlain, 275 AB's 9 HR, > 41 RBI even WITH a month and 1/2 in AAA and a horrible first half. > Well project that over a full season to get 18 HR and 80 RBI or so. > Is that worth a win or two? > > Finally, take the *worse* pitching staff in the NL last year, add > the worse injury decimation of 1992. Okay, now we add Danny > jackson, some health, and a full season for Schilling... is that > worth at least 3 wins? > > Okay we've been conservative and added about 18 wins so far. Now > we're adding about 4 more wins thanks to the expansion teams... > Okay, thats 22 wins. Lesse dipshit math genuious, 72 + 22 = 94 > Hmmm... I think thats good enough to win the worse division in > baseball? > > Next time, before you say something foolish, get a clue first! > > Actually, I was simply relaying the reasoning of this so-called genius BW writer. I agree. The reasoning was foolish. Next time, before you say something foolish, be aware what you are responding to. BTW, 94 wins. Very funny. P. Tierney " 10088,7,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.221421.21839 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle >Vision and Dodge Intrepid. > >Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room, >at a competitive price. > >Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, >the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out >the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing >the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come >off easily. Lack of build quality was the thing I notced on the first 2 LH's I saw months back. The panel gaps were large and non-uniform between the 2 cars I saw - the kind of thing you expect and accept on a Mustang - but not from Chrysler's savior. I drove one of the low end cars, and thought it was more than adequate. I'd prefer an LH to a Taurus from my brief experience. Craig > >I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly >problems that will show up later. > >I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good >track record. > >Jason Chen " 10089,6,"From: steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Steve Glicker) Subject: 2 5V 200A Power Supplies f/$350 obo Nntp-Posting-Host: rooster Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin Distribution: usa Lines: 12 Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (series SM10). 1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC) Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr. fail, high/lo margin, current monitor (List price from LH Research $824.00 each, qty. 1-9) Asking $350.00 for the pair obo Steve Glicker (steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu) " 10090,6,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU> thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes: >>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for > ^^^^^^^^^^ Oh no! Someone is provided useful information AND mentioned that they made money in the field. Don't they know that usenet is reserved for uninformed speculation by people trying to sell their personal stuff (from houses to dead pcs) at a huge markup/trying to unload stuff they bought from their company at just under retail, and other ""non-commercial"" activities. >>a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks. >> !!!! !!!!! !!!! > >It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to >use the net to directly advertise their products. The net is not ""supposed"" to be a dumping ground for free ads, but reserving it for tripe doesn't seem to be a significant improvement. >In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list >used for generating junk mail. So? Either they target it well enough to pay for it, in other words, they manage to send it to people who want the stuff (in which case it is junk only for the ""rest"" and the transaction costs are borne appropriately in this case) or they go bankrupt. Seems fair to me. >Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be >done to penalize such an improper use? You could hold your breath. You could kill offending messages as they come onto your machine and refuse to send them any further, but not until you turn blue. -andy -- " 10091,3,"From: luttik@fwi.uva.nl (Bas Luttik (I91)) Subject: Question: Can I connect two harddisk to one controller? Summary: I want to connect a second harddisk to my controller Keywords: Harddisk, Controller, MFM Nntp-Posting-Host: gene.fwi.uva.nl Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam Lines: 21 Hi, I've got a Victor PC/XT with a 20 MB harddisk in it. The controller is a Toshiba MFM controller, with an additional 9 pins connector. There are 2 busses from my harddisk to this controller. One with 9 wires and another with 34 wires. The controller has two connectors for a 9 wire-bus and one for a 34 wire bus. Now I got a 20 MB harddisk from a friend of mine, and I wondered whether I can connect this second harddisk to the same controller (there is room for a 9 wire-bus, but not for the 34 wire bus) How can I solve my problem, any suggestions? If you need more info, mail me, please (luttik@fwi.uva.nl). --Bas. " 10092,4,"From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) Subject: Duo 230 slowdown problems Nntp-Posting-Host: rocza.eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation Lines: 33 I'm a system and network admin. One of my users has a Duo 230 ([*]specifications below) that has been having slowdown problems. Leaving the Duo on for several hours causes it to slow down unacceptably. It can take 10-15 seconds to change applications. During this time it is completely hung. If he reboots, the problem goes away (For a while). It seems the system is getting itself into a wedged configuration. He's re-installed System 7.1 and rebuilt the desktop. Neither of these have helped. It's possible that it's network-related, he uses Eudora which checks his email every 10 minutes (over Ethernet). He hasn't checked to see if this problem occurs while undocked (he's docked most of the time). Little to no non-Apple inits, I don't want to start yanking the rest unless I know that might *really* be the problem. He hasn't tried zapping the PRAM, I have advised him to do that next. Anyone who has ideas, I'd love to hear about them. I'd call Apple, but I've found they're best to call during the week (it's Sunday evening). [*] Powerbook Duo 230 16/120. 12mb RAM card from Tech Works to replace non-self-refreshing 8mb card. Is using System Enabler 1.0.1. Express Modem (including latest software). Has been to Apple Dealer for Keyboard replacement. -- Helen Trillian Rose Kapor Enterprises, Inc. email eff@eff.org for EFF Info Electronic Frontier Foundation Flames to: Systems and Networks Administration women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org " 10093,12,"From: randy@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca (Randy J. Pointkoski) Subject: Needed 24 volt 4 circuit Flasher Organization: Amateur Radio VE6BC Lines: 17 I am looking for a source for a 4 circuit Sequence flasher. Input 24 Volts AC, 8 amps Output: sequence to 4 channels (knob to vary frequency) (max 2 amps per leg) Switch to put all channels on full time Please Email any assistance you can provide. Randy Email: randy@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca -- __ / ) Randy J Pointkoski P.Eng / __________ _ __ _ _ _ o ________ Compression Technologies (__/ (_) / / / <_/_)_/ (_ tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: > I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but > definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion > about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the > effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus > as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, > buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not > believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be > lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only > god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. excellent question timothy. i hpoe the answers you get will be satisfactory as we can not understand the mind of god. but to attempt to answer you clearly. GOD of the Bible has given us humans relativly little about how he intends to judge mankind. the first test is those who have beleived that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD and that his death and resurrection was sufficent to serve justice for all the acts we commit that are wrong in the eyes of god, the bible calls this sin. for those who die before the end of the world/have already died it is more complicated to explain without lapsing in to cliche. God must judge people on the baasis of their works in this world. however there is no plus and minus system for GOD. he has declared that he can not tolerate spiritual imperfection, thus he can only based your worthiness to live with him on the wrong in your life. Good people, yes even Christians are going to constantly sin before GOD, The Christian hoever thanks GOD that Christ has given his life for his sin's penalty. the proscribed punishment for sin is death, just as the proscribed punishment for robbery is time in jail. God then cannot ask for anything but punishement for those sins. He does not want to condem. the Bible says in John 3:17, that God did not send his son in to the word to condem it but that through him it might be saved."" when i realize that i have sinned, and i do with painful regularity, i must approach GOD and ask him to not hold thew sin against me, i have that right and privlige only because of Christ. as for Jews they are promised that they must believe on the Messiah who would come, and dis come in Jesus of Nazereth. Muslims, i fear have been given a lie from the fater of lies, Satan. They need Christ as do us all. for those who don't have that right, in the view of the bible they stand olone in their defense. are you going to hell? i can not answer that for you. i can only say that perhaps it is eaiser to ask and answer how can i not go to Hell? that step is much more rewarding. stan toney stoney@oyster.smcm.edu my opinions are my own, you may borrow them p.s. stay in touch and keep asking questions not just to us but to God as well, he listens too. " 10095,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: na Lines: 33 jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes: >mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes: > >|> United States TV Schedule: >|> April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC >|> April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC >|> April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC Okay, here's the down side of the ESPN deal: no additional coverage. With a split contract, SCA could have at least gotten at leftovers like Canucks-Jets, Caps-whoever and Red Wings-Leafs (or whoever else is playing). >|> April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN >|> April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN >|> April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN > >Does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where >local broadcast rights are being protected? For our area (Islanders-Devils), it's likely to be the Bruins, since the other Adams series is Montreal-Quebec. I'd prefer the latter myself ... I'm under the impression that the ABC deal overrides the local deals, but if St. Louis at Chicago pops up we'll know ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 10096,7,"From: dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu (Dennis Kennedy) Subject: '72 Chevelle SS forsale Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: fp2-cc-25.uoregon.edu I don't want to sell this car, but I need money for college. 1972 Chevelle Super Sport Rebuilt 402, four speed, 12 Bolt positrac Numbers match 110,000 original miles no rust Looks and runs excellent $5995 or best offer. Call Dennis at (503)343-3759 or email dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu " 10097,7,"From: murthy@watson.ibm.com (Sesh Murthy) Subject: Re: Bimmer vs Beamer Distribution: usa Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: panini.watson.ibm.com Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr18.173934.14572@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) writes: |> Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the |> record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please, ^^^^^^^ Huh! I though Beamers were IBM employees :-) |> let's get our terms straight. |> |> Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round |> tail light 2002 or 1600. |> |> Mark " 10098,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured? Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 17 In article <1qiu97INNpq6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes: > > As evidence for the Resurrection, it is often claimed that the Disciples >were tortured to death for their beliefs and still did not renounce >their claim that Jesus had come back from the dead. > Now, I skimmed Acts and such, and I found a reference to this happening >to Stephen, but no others. Where does this apparently very widely held >belief come from? Is there any evidence outside the Bible? Is there any >evidence *in* the Bible? I sure haven't found any... > Early authors and legends. The most important sources can be found in the Martyriologia of the Catholic Church. Makes the Grimms look like exact science. Benedikt " 10099,12,"From: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.232804.24632@mprgate.mpr.ca> vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: >kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: > >>My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's >>astonishingly sensitive to RFI. > >Hmmmmm... this has possibilities: >If the police are in pursuit of a vehicle, maybe they can bombard it with >high energy RFI. :-) Right. So all the cops will be buying antique muscle cars for chase cars; otherwise the *police* cars will die too! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | To get the attention of a large animal, be it an | elephant or a bureaucracy, it helps to know what George Patterson - | part of it feels pain. Be very sure, though, that | you want its full attention. | Kelvin Throop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10100,6,"From: gscott@b64542.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu (George Scott) Subject: Roland D-50 For Sale Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: b64542.student.cwru.edu For sale: Roland D-50: $700 or best offer. Excellent condition. Includes over 1000 patches on disk (In cakewalk sysex format) Buyer must pay COD shipping. Please e-mail responses to: gms2@po.cwru.edu Thanks. George -- George Scott (gscott@b64542.student.cwru.edu) (gms2@po.cwru.edu) " 10101,19,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 78 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1qvh8n$gf4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes: > In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: > |> > |> Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is > |> next? The Mormons or Jews? > > Give me a break. If the Mormons fortified Utah and armed it to the teeth, > and were involved in illegal activity, then they deserve whatever they get. > Where were you brought up? In the former USSR? Is Innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, NOT Dan Rather, dead in this country? Seems so. Is tax evasion, the only charge brought against the BDs, punishable by death in this country, now? > You are making a ludicrous suggestion. > Not really. You are a blind idiot. > |> We used to live in a country where everyone enjoyed the free exercise of > |> their rights to worship and bear arms. Now we don't. > > Does that include the right to murder little children? How about killing > ATF officers? I do not know much about the gun laws in Texas, but > Koresh's folks claimed to have grenades, grenade launchers, and rocket > launchers. I am not sure that the NRA feels that this falls under > ""right to bear arms."" ""Not sure"", yet you condem them to death for it? If the BATF had stayed home, all would be alive, now. So who murdered who? > > |> Of course, to Jews and Mormons this is just a broken record. It has > |> happened before. > > Please explain. I do not remember Jews or Mormons (as a group) overtly > breaking a judicious (a.k.a. non-Nazi) law and being punished for it. > You have a short memory. > |> I'll bet all you cult haters are happy now, right? Just hope you're not next. > > Followups to /dev/null > > Alternative followups set to talk.religion.misc > Sleep well, tonite, heartless idiot. Sleep the sleep of the simple-minded. I shall weep for my country, myself. > > |> ------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------- > |> --------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --------- > > Gedaliah Friedenberg > -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering > -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science > -=-Michigan State University > > > I'm short of patience tonite, but rabid dogs deserve and get better treatment than the BDs got. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 10102,17,From: enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: AT&T Lines: 4 >Armenia says it could shoot down Turkish planes Armenia does not have pot to piss in it; let alone shooting down modern war planes. 10103,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: vangus nerve (vagus nerve) Article-I.D.: pitt.19397 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <52223@seismo.CSS.GOV> bwb@seismo.CSS.GOV (Brian W. Barker) writes: >mostly right. Is there a connection between vomiting >and fainting that has something to do with the vagus nerve? > Stimulation of the vagus nerve slows the heart and drops the blood pressure. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10104,10,"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: Re: Radio stations Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 31 In article , ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes: > > > > > I do not have cable and on the nights the Caps don't play, I > >would like to tune in other games. Does anyone have a list of > >the radio stations which broadcast the games for the NHL teams? > > > > Thanks in advance > > I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting > at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and > since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up > after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be > broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted > by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those > if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. > > --Randy > KDKA has first rights to Pirates games, and will split probably 50-50 in conflicts; for Penguins games which are preempted, check out 102.5 WDVE FM (that's right, DVE). It is also 50,000 watts. Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University no funny .sig today " 10105,10,"From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 95 Distribution: world Reply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com 1st round: ---------- PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. It looks like a safe bet. NYI has been bagging it of late. NYI and NJD have a showdown Friday night for the honour of Pittsburg anyway. Pigsburg in 4. WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. I think that NJD have a solid team and will compete with WASH. I agree though with WASH in 6. BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. The B's have been playing awesome hockey in the last two weeks. The only question is how long will it last? Fuhr is a dud. BOS in 4. QUE vs MON: MON in 7. It seems to me that MON is much like the VAN - no chemistry. The Habs seem to be not in stride. QUE in 5. CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. STL should not be in the playoffs. CHI in 4. DET vs TOR: DET in 6. I am a diehard Leaf fan but ... It seems that the Leafs offense is shutting down in the last week. Can they turn it around against Detroit. As I recall, the last couple of time these two teams met, the Leafs were pummelled. I don't know if Bobbie is allowed in Canada yet. If he is, DET in 5. If not, DET in 6. VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. Upset in the making here. Another team with bad chemistry. There is something gone foul among Linden, Momesso and Bure. WIN in 6. CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. Anybody that says that LA could possibly beet CAL does not watch the Smythe a whole lot. LA is a bunch of Geritols. CAL in 4. 2nd round: ---------- PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. It seems to me that Pigsburg has some egos on their team. Their saving grace though is Bowman. He can put anybody in their place. However, if PIGS have a quick first round, they may be a little too high. WASH could be there for a surprise. Having said that, I will say PITT in 6. BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. MON will not be there. BOS is surprising me of late. Cam is great. The couple of wins against QUE last week have sold me with the B's. B's in 6. CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. Yikes. This will not be pretty. But DET is running like a machine of late. They've had a non-busy end of the season in which they played like killers. DET in 6. WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. CAL has a solid team, a little weak in the nets. CAL will out muscle WIN. CAL in 5. 3rd round: ---------- PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. I hate PITT. My logic eludes me. The dark side will take over and give BOS the extra push it needs to dump PITT. There may be something to this - if you think of the rivalry. BOS in 7. CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. Finals: ------ PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. NO, no, no. We have BOS vs DET. I don't know what to say here. Both teams will be flying and overdue. I will go with goaltending and muscle and say DET in 7. -jake. " 10106,10,"From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki) Subject: Panther's President Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 46 As I promised, I would give you the name of the Panther's president. After Huizenga announced the team name, he announced that Bill Torrey is named the first president of the Panthers. A little Bio from _Sun-Sentinel_ Torrey, the architect of four consecutive Stanley Cup champions as persident and general manager of the New York Islanders. Throughout his 27 years in the NHL, Bill Torrey's bow ties have become as much of a signature as Andre Agassi's hair. The Panthers will introduce a uniform, insignia, and ticket-price information in early next month. In the meantime, Huizenga leaves the day-to-day operation in the hands of Torrey and Bob Clarke, the VP and GM. The Florida Panthers was chosen as the name of South Florida's NHL team to focus attention on an endangered species. There are 30 to 50 Florida Panthers in the Everglades National Park, the Big Cypress National Preserve and other parts of southwestern Florida. ""The Panther is the quickest-striking of all cats,"" Torrey said. ""Hopefully that's the way we'll play on ice."" More BIO: In Torrey, Huizenga has the first man hired by the expansion Islanders in 1972 and the one most responsible for guiding the Islanders to four consecutive Stanley Cup championships (their first after only eight seasons) and 14 consecutive winning seasons. As executive vice president of the California Golden Seals, Torrey watched the Seals go to the play- offs in 1968, only their second NHL season. ""I guess this completes my own personal hat trick"", said Torrey, 58, a native of Montreal but a resident of Bear Lakes Country Club in Palm Beach. Jim G. other accounts: gorycki@sol.cse.fau.edu jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat..."" Adrian Belew, ""Indicipline"" --------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10107,5,"From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye) Subject: widgets vs. gadgets Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 15 Reply-To: adrian@ora.com NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I > noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps > even 100% faster. I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets > were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well > to use widgets everywhere. Interesting, I'd like to know why. But try it again on a single ethernet with 100 X terminals on it, and I think you'll find it much slower. Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates " 10108,17,"From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 26 Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What >I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to >ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is >the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe >I realize that incidences such as the one described in the >letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to >ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the >Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think >that might be a reason they report more clearly on the >atrocities. > What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of >the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing >received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt >go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races >when they got power. It is unfortunate. Well said Mr. Beyer :) -- ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________ (______ _ | _ |_ _____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo " 10109,0,"From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Keywords: Dan Bissell In article bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: It appears that Walla Walla College will fill the same role in alt.atheist that Allegheny College fills in alt.fan.dan-quayle. > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It >makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, >lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he >writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, >in the process he became a Christian himself. Converts to xtianity have this tendency to excessively darken their pre-xtian past, frequently falsely. Anyone who embarks on an effort to ""destroy"" xtianity is suffering from deep megalomania, a defect which is not cured by religious conversion. > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say. Different perspective? DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. (sigh!) Perhaps Big J was just mistaken about some of his claims. Perhaps he was normally insightful, but had a few off days. Perhaps many (most?) of the statements attributed to Jesus were not made by him, but were put into his mouth by later authors. Other possibilities abound. Surely, someone seriously examining this question could come up with a decent list of possible alternatives, unless the task is not serious examination of the question (much less ""destroying"" xtianity) but rather religious salesmanship. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? How many Germans died for Nazism? How many Russians died in the name of the proletarian dictatorship? How many Americans died to make the world safe for ""democracy"". What a silly question! >Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. Is everyone who performs a healing = God? > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. It's probably hard to ""draw"" an entire nation to you unless you are crazy. >Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Anyone who is convinced by this laughable logic deserves to be a xtian. > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. Don't bother. Many of the ""prophecies"" were ""fulfilled"" only in the eyes of xtian apologists, who distort the meaning of Isaiah and other OT books. " 10110,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca> u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes: >In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: >> >> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >>256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >>and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to >>sell them but have gotten NO interest. >> >> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy >>some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing >>about it. >> >One of the guys at work takes 20 of them, uses cyano-acrylate glue to make >five four-wide ""panels"" then constructs a box, with bottom, to use as a >pencil holder. > Or, if you've got some entreprenuerial (sp?) spirit, get a cheapy clear plastic box, mount the simm inside, and sell it as a 'Pet SIMM'! I'm sure there are *plenty* of suckers out there who would go for it! aaron " 10111,18,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Kyle K. on Rodney King Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 12 In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: > How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that ^^^^^ >took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 10112,1,"From: trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell) Subject: HOT NEW 3D Software Keywords: Imagine,3d Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 20 There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called IMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its 3rd version....(1st) for the IBM.... it can do morphing, your standard key-framming animation, it is a raytracer (reflections & shadows), and can do/apply special FX to objects... (like ripple, explode, bounce) things of that nature. Also it has algorithmic texture maps....and your standard brushmapping also... you can have animated brushmaps...(ie. live video mapped on the objs)... also animated backdrops (ie. live video backgrounds) also animted reflections maps.... you get the idea.... it will run for about 500$ retail (I think)... dont let the low price fool you.... this product can do it all when it comes to 3D-animation and Renderering...! also....does anyone here know how to get in the Imagine mailing list?? please e-mail me if you do or post up here.... oh...the number for IMPULSE is --->1 800 328 0184 trb3@ra.msstate.edu " 10113,11,"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr22.065357.9667@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) writes: [article deleted] > >Just doing a quick reality check here - is this for real or did someone >invent it to provoke a reaction from people? It sounds more like the >sort of thing you'd have heard, suitably rephrased, from the leader of a >certain German political party in the 1930's.... It sounds like a joke (but then the war on drugs has always been a joke...). -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . " 10114,2,"From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) Subject: Re: Workspace Manager for Win 3.1 ? Organization: University of Canberra Lines: 26 In article <1r5uml$620@werple.apana.org.au> jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes: >Are there any Workspace Managers out there for Windows 3.1 ? Try WorkShift by Karl Thoreddson. The latest version is 2.0 (or later?) but the following is at Cica in the Desktop directory. WRKSFT16 ZIP : WorkShift Graphical Virtual Desktop (ver 1.6) Or email Karl and ask him to put version 2.0 up Karl's email: karlth@rhi.hi.is (from the MS-Write file of v1.6) I was Beta tester for WorkShift and must say it is very good (I gain nothing from saying that). It'll even remember your WorkShifts (WorkSpaces as you said) between Windows sessions. >Thanks in advance. Your Welcome. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ o | Paul Blackman pwb@science.canberra.edu.au o | Water Research Centre, pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au o _ | Faculty of Applied Science -- ("") o | University of Canberra, Australia. \_|_-- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | ""Spend a little love and get high"" _/ \_ | - Lenny Kravitz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 10115,3,"From: ez005997@othello.ucdavis.edu (Oppy) Subject: Info. on Genoa 8500 vlb card or other low-end vlb? Originator: ez005997@othello.ucdavis.edu Organization: University of California, Davis Distribution: usa Lines: 16 I am looking for an inexpensive vlb card, and have yet to run across any real reviews of them. One of the cards the local stores are pushing is the Genoa 8500 for $125-140. Apparently it uses a Cirrus Logic acc. chip, but I don't know which one (GD5426?). One of the shops I've spoken with claims the card out-performs the Diamond Stealth 24 vl and the Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 plus vl cards (S3 86C805 based), but that can't be true if it is using the GD5426. I like the price of the Genoa 8500, but if it lags in performance behind the S3 cards, I'll pay the extra $50 for one of them. Any info. on low end vlb cards would be appreciated. If I get replies via email, I'll post summary info. if anyone else is interested. Thanks in advance, Brian Oppy (bjoppy@ucdavis.edu) " 10116,8,"From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) Subject: Re: Protective gear Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group Lines: 19 In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> Question for the day: |> |> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei |> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap |> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, |> leather pants, what? condom during wone of the 500 times i had to go over my accident i was asked if i was wearing ""protection"" my responces was ""yes i was wearing a condom"" laz " 10117,0,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: islamic genocide Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 23 In article <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: (Deletion) >#>Few people can imagine dying for capitalism, a few >#>more can imagine dying for democracy, but a lot more will die for their >#>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who Died on the Cross for their Sins. >#>Motivation, pure and simple. > >Got any cites for this nonsense? How many people will die for Mom? >Patriotism? Freedom? Money? Their Kids? Fast cars and swimming pools? >A night with Kim Basinger or Mel Gibson? And which of these things are evil? > Read a history book, Fred. And tell me why so many religions command to commit genocide when it has got nothing to do with religion. Or why so many religions say that not living up to the standards of the religion is worse than dieing? Coincidence, I assume. Or ist part of the absolute morality you describe so often? Theism is strongly correlated with irrational belief in absolutes. Irrational belief in absolutes is strongly correlated with fanatism. Benedikt " 10118,12,"From: prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) Subject: Exploding TV! Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu I had a GE Emerson 13"" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day, while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause), we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound, so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV. The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah.. Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one (we wanted a bigger one too!). After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV). W/my 0.02 Prasad prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu " 10119,12,"From: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu (Pat Niemeyer) Subject: Re: $25 network Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA Lines: 14 Reply-To: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: fegmania.wustl.edu Originator: pat@fegmania >>The same folks now have out LBL (Little Big Lan) for $75. I think you >>get it for $50 if you already own $25 Network. LBL works with Arcnet, >>parallel ports, and serial ports in any combination for up to 250 or so >>nodes. No flames please, but I picked up this discussion a bit late and I am really curious... What exactly *is* the $25 network? Something to hack together N serial cables? Something with N serial drivers? Thanks, Pat " 10120,3,"From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) writes: >In article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: >>I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just >>been released. >What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm >about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i >upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. > mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it meets all of the Swedish standards. It's also protected against EMI from adjacent monitors. Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now. " 10121,5,"From: wolfson@ll.mit.edu (Harry Wolfson) Subject: Re: MacX 1.2 color problem Keywords: mac x color window macx Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 16 Stan Kerr writes: >When some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows >are in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server >to repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen I have the exact same problem when running Hewlett Packard's Microwave Design System (MDS) from an HP 380 unix box and running MacX 1.2, Sys 7.0.1*. Normally, MDS draws a window with a deep blue backround, but occasionally it becomes a light blue and all the text, etc, inside the window become ""washed out"" (nearly invisible). I thought that it was just something brain dead that I was doing or a subtle conflict with another app or INIT. By slightly moving the window, and forcing a re-draw, the colors get corrected. Harry Wolfson wolfson@ll.mit.edu " 10122,11,"From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cs.colorado.edu Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs Distribution: inet Lines: 33 >Andrew Molitor (amolitor@nmsu.edu) wrote: >: >: 1) Monitor my phonecalls. >: 2) Monitor usenet. They may collect the data, but making sense of it is another matter. On sci.crypt I'm a graduate CS major (with strong math background) and experienced programmer taking a cryptology course. (<< keyword for alleged NSA filters). On sci.skeptic I'm an ex-physics major who's a new-age flake, talking about silly things like how a person's expectations colors what he sees. On talk.religion.newage I'm a physics geek who enjoys squashing interesting idea with WASP science, although I do write occasional posts showing a minimal knowledge of Zen, mythology, etc. I could go on, but I'm sure you see my point. I'm a single person, but I react differently on different groups (admittedly, in part because I'm a contrarian you always shouts ""but, on the other hand...""). On top of that, I _loath_ certainty and have taken public positions in the past for no reason other than to challenge ""conventional wisdom"". I wish them luck in figuring out who ""I"" am based on that information. (They can probably figure out I'm liberal, with a technical degree but humanistic interests, from a common thread throughout my posts. But that describes a fair portion of the users of Internet). -- Bear Giles bear@cs.colorado.edu/fsl.noaa.gov " 10123,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 38 Ilyess Bdira writes: >>The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking >the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts. >If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit. So I should be very comfortable that 500,000,000 people want to convert me to Islam. Or, to convert me to ANYTHING. There are many types of violence, physical murder is only one. 'Trying' to convert is an insult. It's like trying to tell me that me and/or my God/my lack of God are just crap, that I need a new, 'converted' one. This does not apply for muslims only, of course. Same for jews and for some friendly, nicely dressed neighbours who show on sunday with empty speaches and cheap booklets about some church .... And when the objective is (I think, however that you are wrong) to convert everybody, it's just a matter of time when violence will occur. Aren't we able to learn anything from thouthands of years of 'conversion related violence' ? Why not let 'the other, more inferiour' people live as they wish and take care your business?. You do assume that they are inferiour (or their beliefs are) as long as you want to change their thinking. Dorin " 10124,18,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15213 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 20 In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP>, a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: > MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: # #The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE # #to submit to sexual intercourse."" # # Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states # had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised # as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but # was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, # uniformly throughout the U.S. # # -Chris There may be some confusion here. The Uniform Crime Reports program run by the FBI defines rape as a female victim only crime -- even though some states have the laws de-sexed. I suspect that this causes male victims of rape to be left out of the UCR data. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. " 10125,7,"From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Distribution: mxmsd Lines: 26 bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse) writes: [Long silly discussion deleted...] > And while you're at it, why bother with removing >the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from >there with your mouth and then spit it out? This suggestion isn't as far-fetched as it sounds. Years ago in another time and place, I used to do oil changes in boats powered by automotive engines. In many cases, there was no way to get any sort of a tray under the oil pan because it was boxed in by the bottom of the hull and various floation chambers on each side. And if you *did* get something there, you'd spill all the oil out of it for sure trying to get it back out again. So we used a small pump powered by an electric drill to suck the oil out the dipstick hole. There was a long/thin hose on the inlet side designed to fit down the dipstick tube, and another, thicker/shorter hose on the outlet side that you put into any convenient container. I'm sure these gadgets are still available from marine hardware suppliers if you want one. Mart L. Molle Computer Systems Research Institute University of Toronto Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 (416)978-4928 " 10126,18,"From: stromer@eyore.unet.com (Philip H. Stromer) Subject: Re: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL... Article-I.D.: unet.1993Apr6.221210.3054 Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: eyore If the heading is true, Mr. Frank should be ashamed of himself. Nothing makes me gag more than people who don't respect the rights of others to voice their opinions. My idol Lenny Bruce once commented about ""that asshole Time Magazine"" when they advocated censorship of his material. Time actually sided with the cops' and their arresting of Bruce at his shows, whereby he routinely would say ""cocksucker"", then the cops would rush the stage to arrest him. My, how the times haven't changed... I can't help but think of how Lenny would be received in today's politically correct arena. Heck, I even support the right of neo nazis to speak their opinions and march down the streets. And before Mr. Frank or anyone else makes any wisecracks about anti-Semitism...I'm Jewish, a longtime member of AIPAC and the JNF, and have contributed over $1000 apiece to these fine groups. I'm a regular contributor to every pro-Israel group I can find, but I still support the right of people like Arf to speak up and vomit his propaganda. I want to know just WHO these people are !!! I'm basing all this on the assumption that Mr. Frank did indeed write to some sysadmin requesting Mr. Teel to be admonished. If this is not the case, I hereby retract these nasties directed toward him. If not, I stand against Mr. Frank and his trashing of the First Amendment. Philip Stromer " 10127,6,"From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger) Subject: 486SX Motherboard/Case/Mouse Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 54 Nntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu Hello, I have a motherboard and a case for sale as a package. Both of them came from a CompuAdd computer I bought last August and am presently upgrading. Here are the specs-- Motherboard ----------- Cyrix 486SL 25 MHz microprocessor Chips and Technology chipset (SCATsx V2.3.6 SLSLC) 8 SIMM banks for a maximum of 32 Megs of RAM BUILT-IN Floppy and Hard Drive Controllers BUILT-IN ports--1 Parallel, 2 Serial (9 and 25 pin) BUILT-IN Paradise SVGA controller with 1 meg of RAM (Windows drivers inc.) -can do up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors -based on the Western Digital WD90C31 chip Math co-processor slot 3 16-bit expansion slots and 2 8-bit expansion slots Case ---- Low-Profile Desktop Very nice grey color 150 watt power supply Room for 2 floppies plus HD Mouse ----- 3-button Microsoft-compatible Grey color matches case All original manuals and documentation, video drivers, etc. are included. You are probably wondering why I must sell the case with the motherboard. It is simply because the case is custom-made for this particular board and you would be hard-pressed to fit another MB in it. However, the case and this motherboard were made to go together and fit perfectly. As you can see, since this board includes drive controllers AND a video controller, you can save some money by buying this unit and not a MB where you would need to get IO cards, video card, and drive controllers Its just a lot more convenient on the whole I would like to ask about $500 for this whole package. I think this is a fair price given the facts that it includes a video card and drive controllers/IO ports. All you need to do is add drives, a monitor, RAM, and a keyboard. Also keep in mind that it isn't a generic board, but from CompuAdd. I also will entertain all serious offers. Please email at jmu@acpub.duke.edu Thanks -J " 10128,6,"From: schroedj@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: ForSale 286 and Hard-drive Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 17 Packer Bell 12MHZ 286 * 5 16bit expansion slots * 2 5.25"" external drive bays (floppies) * 1 3.5"" internal drive bay (hard-drive) * 1.44MB 3.5"" floppy drive * 1MB of RAM $140 or Best offer (including shipping) Segate 32MB ST138N SCSI Hard-drive * Great shape * Controller * 32MB * 3.5"" format $85 or best offer (including shipping) " 10129,5,"From: oleg@sdd.comsat.com (Oleg Roytburd) Subject: HP 2623A graphics terminal emulators Summary: Need application to emulate HP 2623A graphics terminal on X Keywords: graphics terminal emulator Organization: SDD, COMSAT Labs, Clarksburg, MD Lines: 6 I would be grateful to anyone who knows about an X-windows application that would emulate HP 2623A graphics in a manner similar to the way TEK graphics windows are implemented in xterm. Thanks for you help. -- Oleg Roytburd (oleg@sdd.comsat.com) " 10130,3,"From: bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White) Subject: Re: SCSI on dos Keywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr19.132748.18044@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller. I found that the >controller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do >with the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k/sec. According to what others have told me, the ST-296N is difficult to run at the 1:1 interleave even though Seagate claims it. I have a non-pc system (don't ask what it is, you probably haven't heard of it) that is built around SCSI and it can't do 1:1, either. Brian ( bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. " 10131,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys? Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes: >Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't >sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it >would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys >space.) It depends on the attack. Adding a bit to the key doubles the amount of work to be done in a straight brute-force attack, where you try every single possible key until one works. Processing and storage requirements for this kind of attack on a 128-bit key seem like they ought to make it effectively impossible. However, there may be other attacks whose difficulty is (for example) proportional to, say, 2**sqrt(n), or some such. Also, a long key does you little good if there is a way to incrementally guess a little of the key at a time.... >Thanks, >Dane --John " 10132,4,"From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) Subject: Re: LC III NuBus Capable? Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 18 In article <1qkkq4$5ev@nigel.msen.com>, mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) wrote: > > My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is > such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and > ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. > > Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? Apple doesn't make such a card, though I suppose a third party could. One big problem is that there isn't room for a standard NuBus card inside the LC III. noah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design ...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. " 10133,5,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Creating application contexts multiple times??? Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 94 The subject does not describe the problem I am having very well. Please read on... I am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget, displays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns. The problem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems including (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things): - Core Dump - BadPixmap X Error - Widget not unmapped Here is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem: #include #include #include void bla() { XtAppContext app; Display *dis = XOpenDisplay(""""); int junk = 0; Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, ""test"", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0); Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(""blaaa"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, top, XmNheight, 50, XmNwidth, 50, NULL); XtRealizeWidget(top); //Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents for (int i=0;i<=10;i++) { XEvent event; XtAppNextEvent(app, &event); XtDispatchEvent(&event); } // WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE??? XtUnrealizeWidget(top); XtDestroyWidget(top); XtDestroyApplicationContext(app); XCloseDisplay(dis); // ??? } main() { for (int i=0;i<=20;i++) bla(); } Note that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example, after 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program. With this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent) the 5th call to bla(): X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC) Resource id in failed request: 0xe0000d Serial number of failed request: 71 Current serial number in output stream: 86 If I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the seconds call. Furthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I get: Warning: Initializing Resource Lists twice Warning: Initializing Translation manager twice. So finally, my question is this: What needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates an XtAppContext and widgets multiple times? Any help would be greatly appreciated. PLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group. Thanks very much. -davewood -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10134,2,"From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (david farley) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 35 (stuff deleted) > >Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the >opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops. They aren't actually >incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and >optimization straight from those in the know. Besides that they offer >you HUGE discounts on software. If I remember correctly, you could pick >up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130. >That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You >could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that. Myself >I sprang for Word. The value of these workshops aside, you ought to be able to buy full copies of all this software through your campus bookstore or software distributor at these rates. I'm not aware that the educational version of Word or Excel is doped down in any way. > >Well, hope that was helpful to someone. And besides that I hope someone >will go to a workshop and save a little money. > >And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products. >I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out? ;-) > >Thanks, >Brent Casavant >bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu > -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 " 10135,19,"From: lance@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Lance A. Brown) Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality Distribution: usa Organization: Wolves Den UNIX Lines: 20 X-Md4-Signature: c6a7a6853f7ccbdf5ccfea6cc9d0a079 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: >> Unlike kleptomaniacs and adulterers homosexuals hurt no one by having sex >> with the same sex. > >What about the homosexual whose family does not accept that decision and >is hurt (emotionally) by it? Good question. I don't have a nice concise answer, though. What about the child whose parents are crushed emotionally because he/she starts a carerr doing something they greatly dislike. It is the same kind of harm, and is probably ""caused"" by the same thing: The desire of the child to be true to his or her self. What is more important, being true to yourself or burying that truth within you in order to maintain peace in the family? hard question, no good answer. Lance " 10136,6,"From: james.mollica%pics@twwells.com (James Mollica) Subject: MATH COPRO SALE/TRADE Reply-To: james.mollica%pics@twwells.com (James Mollica) Organization: Pics OnLine! MultiUser System - 609-753-2540 Lines: 14 I am looking for a math coprocessor for a 286-16mhz. Should be a 80287-10 or 12. I also have a 80387SX-16 for sale or trade. TNX- Jim * 1st 1.10b #1439 * 1stReader: On the cutting edge of software evolution. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System (609)753-2540 HST 609-753-1549 (V32) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 10137,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 32 In article tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>, >fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote: >> >> Lets get this ""No Fault"" stuff straight, I lived in NJ >> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA >> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it >> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking >> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess >> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ? YOURS. > >BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less >deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company >(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the >deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just >takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check >today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage). The word is ""subrogation."" Seems to me, if you're willing to wait for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the deductible. However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large- fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers. Sad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 10138,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: The systematic genocide of the Muslim population by the Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 226 In article <1993Apr5.091410.4108@massey.ac.nz> CBlack@massey.ac.nz (C.K. Black) writes: >Mr. Furr does it again, Very sensible. > He says >>>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? >And lo and behold, he invokes the Mr.666 of the net himself, our beloved >Serdar, a program designed to seek out the words TERRX and GHEX in the >same sentence and gets the automated reply.... Must you rave so? Fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government engaged in disgusting cowardly massacres of Azeri women and children. I am really sorry if that fact bothers you. >>Our ""Mutlu""? Oboy, this is exciting. First you discuss your literature >>tastes, then your fantasies, and now your choices of entertainment. Have >>you considered just turning on the TV and leaving those of us who aren't >>brain dead to continue to discuss the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim >>people by the x-Soviet Armenian Government? >etc. etc. etc........ More ridicule, I take it? Still not addressing the original points made. >Joel, don't do this to me mate! I'm only a poor plant scientist, I don't >know how to make 'kill' files. My 'k' key works overtime as it is just to Then what seems to be the problem? Did you ever read newspaper at all? ""PAINFUL SEARCH .."" THE GRUESOME extent of February's killings of Azeris by Armenians in the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about 600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the four-year war over Nagorny Karabakh. The figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials and casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid workers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates. The 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of the last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control of Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations in Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting retreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the dead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first suppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku. Later it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken Azerbaijan's wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000 dead. The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a 15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the ""Hojali Disaster"", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on preliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in the Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more than 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700 dead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman of the Azeri Ministry of Defence. FranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International Red Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of Agdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque from Hojali, most of them civilians. ""We did not count the bodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy,"" Mr Zen Ruffinen said. ""We have some idea since we gave the body bags and products to wash the dead."" Mr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the number of dead in the massacre. ""Don't get worked up. It will take several months to get a final figure,"" the 43-year-old lawyer said at his small office. Mr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to reach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714 wounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist uprising in Baku in January 1990. Those nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power three weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly what happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70 miles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians. Officially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being the number of people that could be medically examined by the republic's forensic department. ""This is just a small percentage of the dead,"" said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic's chief forensic scientist. ""They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the chaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury our dead within 24 hours."" Of these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14 years old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and axes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland snows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of deliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises cut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov's report. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those believed to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said. Files from Mr Rasulov's investigative commission are still disorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six policemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the names of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The most heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far comes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a helicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27 February. ""There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to count properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream and the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village,"" Mr Manafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter pilot. ""People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and one two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was pulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but Armenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to return."" There has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in circulation because of the political upheavals of the last few months and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali at the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages taken over by Armenian forces. THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 HEROES WHO FOUGHT ON AMID THE BODIES AREF SADIKOV sat quietly in the shade of a cafe-bar on the Caspian Sea esplanade of Baku and showed a line of stitches in his trousers, torn by an Armenian bullet as he fled the town of Hojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope. ""I'm still wearing the same clothes, I don't have any others,"" the 51-year-old carpenter said, beginning his account of the Hojali disaster. ""I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to be alive."" Mr Sadikov and his wife were short of food, without electricity for more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12 days. They sensed the Armenian noose was tightening around the 2,000 to 3,000 people left in the straggling Azeri town on the edge of Karabakh. ""At about 11pm a bombardment started such as we had never heard before, eight or nine kinds of weapons, artillery, heavy machine-guns, the lot,"" Mr Sadikov said. Soon neighbours were pouring down the street from the direction of the attack. Some huddled in shelters but others started fleeing the town, down a hill, through a stream and through the snow into a forest on the other side. To escape, the townspeople had to reach the Azeri town of Agdam about 15 miles away. They thought they were going to make it, until at about dawn they reached a bottleneck between the two Armenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak. ""None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by a car on the road, and the Armenian outposts started opening fire,"" Mr Sadikov said. Azeri militiamen fighting their way out of Hojali rushed forward to force open a corridor for the civilians, but their efforts were mostly in vain. Mr Sadikov said only 10 people from his group of 80 made it through, including his wife and militiaman son. Seven of his immediate relations died, including his 67-year-old elder brother. ""I only had time to reach down and cover his face with his hat,"" he said, pulling his own big flat Turkish cap over his eyes. ""We have never got any of the bodies back."" The first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire. One hero of the evacuation, Alif Hajief, was shot dead as he struggled to change a magazine while covering the third group's crossing, Mr Sadikov said. Another hero, Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali, said he and several others spent the whole day of 26 February in the bushy hillside, surrounded by dead bodies as they tried to keep three Armenian armoured personnel carriers at bay. As the survivors staggered the last mile into Agdam, there was little comfort in a town from which most of the population was soon to flee. ""The night after we reached the town there was a big Armenian rocket attack. Some people just kept going,"" Mr Sadikov said. ""I had to get to the hospital for treatment. I was in a bad way. They even found a bullet in my sock."" Victims of war: An Azeri woman mourns her son, killed in the Hojali massacre in February (left). Nurses struggle in primitive conditions (centre) to save a wounded man in a makeshift operating theatre set up in a train carriage. Grief-stricken relatives in the town of Agdam (right) weep over the coffin of another of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll has been complicated because Muslims bury their dead within 24 hours. Photographs: Liu Heung / AP Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 10139,16,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: sign of the times... Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 31 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Article in this morning's Houston Post....""negotiators send food to rebellious inmates as humanitarian gesture""...speaking about the Ohio prison riot where they have killed at least one of the hostage guards. I know it's not the same ""group"" but the mindset appears to be common to ""those what rule"" here lately....they won't give diddley to the BD's in Waco but they treat criminals as deserving of ""humanitarian gestures"". This is but another indicator that the criminal caste seems to enjoy more priviliges in today's society than their victims or other law abiding citizens. What is it that makes the criminal so precious to the ""leaders of the system""? Could it be that the criminal is one of the ""tools"" the ""authorities"" are using to ""excuse"" some of the rights negation they are trying to foist upon the law abiding citizen in the name of crime control....don't solve the crime problem because then the citizen couldn't be held hostage to ""our help"". If the crime problem were solved in favor of the citizen/victim at the expense of the criminal none of the crap such as RICO and gun banning could be used as excuses to work the agenda of those who would control our every move and thought. --- . OLX 2.2 . If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 10140,11,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Distribution: na Lines: 104 rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. The Supreme Court seems to disagree with you -- they have stated that ""the people"" is a term of art refering to an individual right, and have explicitly mentioned the second amendment as an example. I quote: ""... 'the people' seems to have been a term of art employed in select parts of the Constitution. The Preamble declares that the Constitution is ordained, and established by 'the people of the the U.S.' The Second Amendment protects the right of the people to keep and bear Arms ...."" - Supreme Court of the U.S., U.S. v. Uerdugo-Uriquidez (1990). Furthermore, in the Miller decision, they only permitted prosecution for possession of a sawed-off shotgun because the defense had not presented testimony and they therefore accepted the argument of the government that such weapons have no military value -- they held that the amendment protected the individual right to possess military weapons. Unfortunately, no second amendment case has successfully gotten to the court in fifty years. However, that does not change the interpretation. Furthermore, it appears that others disagree with you as well, vis: ""The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratifi- cation, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."" - Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, Second Session ( February 1982 ) You might rightfully ask ""well then, what does that first bit about militias mean?"" Well, ""militia"" in historical context basically means the whole of the adult males of the country. (Indeed, the U.S. Code still defines ""militia"" as all armed men over the age of 17). ""The Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense .... And ... these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."" - Supreme Court of the United States, U.S. v. Miller (1939). The reason for the phrase being there was to explain the rationale behind the amendment, which was this: by depending on the people to bear arms in defense of the country, no centralization of military power could ever occur which would permit tyranny -- in short, the government would remain perpetually in fear of the people, rather than the other way around. ""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."" - Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950). ""And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance ? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."" - Thomas Jefferson (letter to William S. Smith, 1787, in Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover, ed., 1939). ""Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States."" - Noah Webster, ""An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution"" (1787), in Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888). You may disagree with the second amendment, and wish that it be repealed, but please do not pretend that it isn't there and that it doesn't mean what it says. You might argue that conditions have changed and that it should no longer be present, but you can't imagine it away. I could fill a book with detailed argumentation. Many have already. However, none of this has anything to do with cryptography. Lets get it out of here. If you insist on discussing this, please do it in talk.politics.guns, where people will gladly discuss this matter with you. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. " 10141,2,"From: samuell@cis.uab.edu ('s) Subject: WINHELP.EXE virus? Organization: CIS, Univ of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 15 Is anyone familiar with a virus that infects the WINHELP.EXE file? I have recently noticed some unusual system behavior and ran Norton AntiVirus for WINDOWS. It indicated a possible unknown virus in the WINHELP.EXE file in both the MWINDOWS and WINOS2 directories. Neither file changed since I installed my OS/2 system in January as far as I know. Any information about this possible virus and suggestions on remedies would be greatly appreciated. Bobb Samuell samuell@cis.uab.edu " 10142,4,"From: mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo) Subject: Why the drive speeds differ?? Keywords: Quantum, LPS, speed Nntp-Posting-Host: mondrian.csufresno.edu Organization: California State University, Fresno Lines: 13 Hi all, I just got a La Cie 240 meg external hard drive. Speed tests show that it's substantially faster that my internal 105 meg Quantum HD. Supposedly the 105 and the 240 (both LPS drives) are roughly rated the same speed. Why such a large difference? Marc. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Marc Matteo, | AppleLink: MATTEO California State University, | Internet: mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU Fresno | AOL: M Matteo " 10143,18,"From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 52 In article <15APR199320293386@utkvx.utk.edu> drevik@utkvx.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes: >In article , goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes... >>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>>his so called stimulus package. >>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>>immunizations for poor kids. >>> >>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. > >I don't know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide. >Perhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to >do so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations >cost $$$. Nationwide, the immunization rate among toddlers is about 50%, but it is reportedly as low as 10% in some inner-city neighborhoods. I bet more than 10% kids living in such neighborhoods are already covered by Medicaid. Here in Massachussets, we have had a universal immunization program, the kind of Clinton seems to be proposing, for many years (two decades?). Mass' immunization rate is 65%. What about the other 35%? I guess some parents are indeed too ignorant or too lazy , or simply do not care. > >Sorry to shatter your stereotypes. ??? > >> >> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health >> care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give >> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services >> delivered to their doorsteps. >> >> >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 10144,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come > >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and > >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed. > >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to > >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. > >> > > > >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. > > Unworthy of comment. But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course. > > >Humans died > >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the > >actions > >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them. > > Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. > That is undeniable truth. No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this as the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not ""undeniable"" that if they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today. > My heart bleeds just as much as yours for > the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities > to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion > to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up > and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. > My heart ""bleeds"" for no one. You are the ""bleeding heart"". And I'm sure beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You can not say the heartless things you have said if you did. > >You seem to say > >they got what they deserved. > > I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in > more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they > wanted and put into motion themselves. ""they got what they wanted"". What kind of creature are you that you can believe this? > > I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely > by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair > from the start. > We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too. > >Jim > >-- > >jmd@handheld.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > >""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought > >that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 > >""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed > >in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" > >WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 > > > -- > Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 10145,18,"From: n4hy@tang.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) Subject: Re: Celebrate Liberty! 1993 Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tang.ccr-p.ida.org In-reply-to: Bob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 20:12:35 GMT Rich Thompson posts some blather about the Libertarian Party: >August 30, 31, Sept. 1: Everything You Always Wanted to > Know About Winning Elections, but > Didn't Know Where to Ask! What pray tell do the Libertarians know about winning elections? Bob -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert W. McGwier | n4hy@ccr-p.ida.org Center for Communications Research | Interests: amateur radio, astronomy,golf Princeton, N.J. 08520 | Asst Scoutmaster Troop 5700, Hightstown " 10146,6,"From: ehud@eng.umd.edu (Ehud Oentung) Subject: MFM Controller Wanted Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu I have a friend who is looking to buy MFM controller. If you have one for sale, would you please contact me through email... Thanx. Ehud. ehud@eng.umd.edu eoentung@cbis.com " 10147,6,"From: mgengelb@cs.ruu.nl (Marcel Engelbertink) Subject: NO MORE ROLEX-IMITATIONS Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 28 Jammer ! Dit is geen fantastische advertentie over nep-rolexen maar een evenzo duidelijke mededeling hieromtrent : Aangezien het alleen al aanbieden van deze horloges onder vermelding van de echte merknaam niet geheel correct is, wil ik met dit bericht duidelijk maken dat ik, Marcel Engelbertink, niet meer zal adverteren met imitatie-horloges van het merk ROLEX. Enig persoon die hierin geiinteresseerd is kan ik jammer genoeg ook niet meer helpen. For all the foreign people who can't even understand dutch ?!? : In spite of earlier mailing about fake-rolex's, I announce that I don't have any information available any longer and I won't use the trade name ROLEX anymore for those fake models. Yours fakefully, M.G. Engelbertink " 10148,1,"From: schwartz@ils.nwu.edu (diane schwartz) Subject: SIGKids Research Showcase Call Organization: institute for the learning sciences Lines: 250 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: schwartz.ils.nwu.edu SIGKIDS CALL FOR PARTICIPATION SIGKids Research Showcase is where learning is hip. Pushing the edge in education, computer graphics, and new technologies, the SIGKids Research Showcase will provide SIGGRAPH's attendees with the latest in applying computer technology to form state of the art educational experiences. So hop to it! Submit any works which converge the disciplines of education and computer technology. Possible categories and domains include but are NOT LIMITED to: -Interactive/stand-alone applications -Self-Run demonstrations and tutorials -Museum Installations -Groupware/Collaborative systems -Hypermedia -Virtual Reality -Scientific Visualization -Interactive Art -Microworlds Deadlines: May 21, 1993 submissions due Submit to: Diane Schwartz SIGGRAPH '93 SIGKids Committee c/o The Institute for the Learning Sciences 1890 Maple Avenue, Suite 150 Evanston, Illinois 60201 Fax: 708.491.5258 schwartz@ils.nwu.edu Electronic Submission Form: schwartz@ils.nwu.edu How to Submit: 1. Fill out the 'Permission to Use' form (see page 19 of the SIGGRAPH '93 Call for Participation or send email to schwartz@ils.nwu.edu to have one faxed to you.) 2. Fill out the SIGKids '93 Research Showcase Submission Form (below). 3. Send an abstract/description of the submission (approximately 100 words) in one of the following ways: A. 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SIGGRAPH marks each item in these publications with a proper copyright notice, which informs viewers that these items may not be copied, reproduced, broadcast, or used for commercial purposes without the explicit permission of the indivicual copyright owners. In addition, this form asks if ACM SIGGRAPH may use the your materials for conference and organizational promotional material in exchange for full author/artist credit information. " 10149,5,"From: azn30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com Subject: Compiling X programs Reply-To: azn30@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com () Distribution: usa Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 53 Hi Guys, It has been a long time since I wrote a program using X. I am trying to get myself re-familiarize with X. I would appreciate your help regarding the following problem. I am trying to compile a simple X program on sun running sunOS 4.1.2. using cc -o ex ex.c -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 -lm I am getting an error ld: Undefined symbol _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass The simple program I tried to compile is given below. #include #include #include #include main(argc,argv) int argc; char **argv; { Widget topLevel; Widget frame; topLevel = XtInitialize(""ex"",""Ex"",NULL,0, &argc,**argv); frame = XtCreateManagedWidget(""Form"",formWidgetClass,topLevel,NULL,0); XtRealizeWidget(topLevel); XtMainLoop(); } I got the same error when I tried to build ""xpostit"" using the Imakefile provided with the software. I have compiled X programs before (not on this machine, but on other machines running sunOS 4.0 and X11 R4). I did not get this error message Can anybody tell me why I am getting these messages. I would appreciate if you can email your responses to me at azn30@ruts.ccc.amdahl.com. Thanks Anand " 10150,2,"From: adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (ALN - Go NY Giants!) Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut USA Lines: 72 In article <16APR93.02170289@vax.clarku.edu>, rmohns@vax.clarku.edu says: > >In a previous article, alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) wrote: >>Two-part question: >> >>1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS? >> >>2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product >> from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is? >> >>That is it - >> >>Thanks a heap. >> >>- Alan > >Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not >run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true >multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 >programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is >primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be >economical for most users. It also runs OS/2 character based apps and POSIX apps. The DOS, 16bit and 32 bit windows apps run in a windows 32 bit subsystem. If you consider the fact that NT has: the Lanman redirectors, built in support for TCP/IP built in support for NETBEUI comes with TCP utils like ping and an ftp client, etc applications like schedule+ and a 32 bit version of msmail the storage argument isnt an issue. > Speaking of overhead, it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of RAM. >It iwll run with 12, but that's like running OS/2 2.0 with 4 megs. And that's >just to run it. Also, I have heard that the system files take up 30-50 Megs, >and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig! The SKD is distributed >on CD-ROM. > I ran it on a 486 with 8MRAM and it did a ton of disk swapping, with a 19M virtual memory paging file. It functioned but it crawled. (this was the OCT build) I upgraded the machine to 16M and the performance is good, At that point I installed the March Build. Consider they are probably still working on the feature set, and havent done a lot of fine tuning to the code yet. >Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue >multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, >and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably >be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the >main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. > The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense >competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will >arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the >client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, >partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). >(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't >scorn the concept.) > Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out >til '96. I have little info on Chicago so I cant make a comparison. Is it in Beta? Is there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison? Just my $0.02 /ALN " 10151,2,"Subject: FORTRAN library for MS-Windows From: traversmorgan@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Guan Lye Chua) Organization: Actrix Information Exchange Lines: 13 Hi! I will like to know if there is a FORTRAN library for MS-Windows v3+ out there. I have several lots of source code written by past A/Ps in MS-FORTRAN, and recently have needed to port them to MS-Windows... I would like to avoid a major code-rewrite if possible - maybe a WINDOWS library is all I need? Please help - reply by E-mail to: traversmorgan@swell.actrix.gen.nz -- Guan Lye Chua c/- Travers Morgan (NZ) Ltd, P O Box 11-525, Wellington, NZ. Tel.: +64 4 471 0303 Fax.: +64 4 471 0353 " 10152,5,"From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne) Subject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1 Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC Lines: 24 dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes: : ..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm... : : gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw -lXaw -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -lXt -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl -ltermcap : Undefined first referenced : symbol in file : index /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) : rindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) : ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm : *** Error code 1 : make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xterm' : : Any clues for help? Either: * Add -lucb -lelf to the list or * #define index() and rindex() to strchr() and strrchr() respectively. Both use same args. Former are bsd, latter are SysV. -- +==============================Ahold NV===============================+ | Room 146 , Ankersmidplein 2, 1506 CK Zaandam, The Netherlands, EEC | | Dick.Heijne@ccsds.ahold.nl - Tel: +31 75 592151, Fax: +31 75 313030 | +=====================================================================+ " 10153,9,From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 5 I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman and his infamous moon-raker drives... Don Boell 10154,2,"From: gt2617c@prism.gatech.EDU (Brad Smalling) Subject: Re: Help with changing Startup logo Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 24 In article farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) writes: >I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows >logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of >the 3.1 logo. >I thought the files that controlled this were >\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE >\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO >I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what >the correct files are? For a VGA card these are the correct files but you can't just copy them back and expect it to work. You have to create a new WIN.COM file. Try the command (you will have to worry about what directories each file is in since I don't know your setup): COPY /B WIN.CNF+VGALOGO.LGO+VGALOGO.RLE WIN.COM (I grabbed this from _Supercharging Windows_ by Judd Robbins--great book) This is also how you can put your own logo into the Windows startup screen. An RLE file is just a specially compressed BMP file. Hope this helps -- Brad Smalling :: Jr.EE :: GA Tech :: Atlanta, GA :: gt2617c@prism.gatech.edu " 10155,6,"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 14 In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes: >>Dance with Wovies ($12.00) > ^^^^^^ what the hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))?? ^^^ what the hell is 'ios'? Fix your own typos before you blame others.... -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu " 10156,9,"From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) Subject: NL OPI through first week+ Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 184 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all NL players with at least 10 at-bats. It is early in the season so there are some high numbers. Barry Bonds finished last season at 0.795. I welcome comments and suggestions. Kevin League OPI: 0.410 League BA: 0.252 League SLG: 0.375 League OBA: 0.321 Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA ----------------------------------------------------- 1 Phi,daulton 1.101 0.333 0.875 0.515 2 Phi,kruk 1.069 0.429 0.821 0.529 3 Cub,grace 1.007 0.452 0.742 0.514 4 Cub,may 0.931 0.389 0.889 0.421 5 Col,boston 0.888 0.545 0.545 0.545 6 Pit,bell 0.873 0.429 0.714 0.467 7 Col,galarraga 0.867 0.458 0.708 0.458 8 StL,pena 0.833 0.400 0.600 0.516 9 StL,zeile 0.811 0.440 0.560 0.500 10 Cin,mitchell 0.810 0.429 0.643 0.467 11 Mon,lansing 0.792 0.419 0.677 0.438 12 Pit,slaught 0.754 0.474 0.526 0.474 13 Mon,vanderwal 0.746 0.389 0.556 0.476 14 NYM,tfernandez 0.709 0.300 0.400 0.500 15 SnF,martinez 0.697 0.300 0.400 0.500 16 Hou,bagwell 0.695 0.367 0.567 0.424 17 Col,hayes 0.686 0.333 0.667 0.364 18 Col,eyoung 0.682 0.333 0.500 0.407 19 Mon,alou 0.675 0.371 0.600 0.389 20 Cin,milligan 0.659 0.333 0.375 0.515 21 Phi,dykstra 0.646 0.214 0.571 0.405 22 SnF,bonds 0.624 0.280 0.680 0.333 22 Flo,conine 0.624 0.393 0.393 0.469 24 SnD,plantier 0.603 0.286 0.571 0.375 25 Hou,gonzalez 0.596 0.296 0.667 0.296 26 Hou,anthony 0.594 0.320 0.480 0.414 27 Col,cole 0.579 0.318 0.409 0.400 28 Atl,sanders 0.576 0.357 0.643 0.357 29 Mon,berry 0.566 0.273 0.273 0.500 30 Cub,sosa 0.558 0.303 0.545 0.343 31 StL,jefferies 0.551 0.269 0.692 0.296 32 Pit,vanslyke 0.549 0.296 0.444 0.387 33 *Montreal 0.548 0.312 0.490 0.367 34 Los,butler 0.545 0.296 0.333 0.457 35 Mon,grissom 0.542 0.333 0.455 0.371 36 Pit,king 0.536 0.308 0.346 0.438 37 SnD,gwynn 0.533 0.280 0.400 0.379 38 Pit,merced 0.532 0.300 0.400 0.391 39 NYM,murray 0.521 0.308 0.462 0.357 40 StL,gilkey 0.514 0.312 0.438 0.353 41 NYM,bonilla 0.507 0.292 0.417 0.370 42 SnD,walters 0.501 0.300 0.500 0.333 43 Cub,wilson 0.497 0.323 0.452 0.344 44 Flo,weiss 0.492 0.261 0.348 0.433 45 *Philadelphia 0.487 0.243 0.431 0.348 46 Atl,justice 0.480 0.207 0.448 0.361 47 *Pittsburgh 0.479 0.292 0.428 0.351 48 StL,osmith 0.476 0.310 0.448 0.355 49 Phi,incaviglia 0.473 0.250 0.500 0.308 50 Pit,young 0.470 0.286 0.500 0.310 51 *StLouis 0.467 0.275 0.445 0.344 52 *Colorado 0.459 0.287 0.426 0.327 53 NYM,hundley 0.458 0.300 0.450 0.333 54 NYM,orsulak 0.454 0.357 0.429 0.400 55 SnF,benjamin 0.440 0.200 0.500 0.273 56 Atl,gant 0.438 0.214 0.464 0.333 56 *NYMets 0.438 0.261 0.345 0.356 58 *Houston 0.436 0.260 0.415 0.318 59 Mon,pitcher 0.434 0.312 0.375 0.353 60 Phi,morandini 0.433 0.240 0.360 0.321 61 Hou,cedeno 0.427 0.280 0.440 0.308 62 Cin,sabo 0.423 0.226 0.452 0.273 63 SnF,manwaring 0.413 0.261 0.435 0.292 64 *SnFrancisco 0.412 0.253 0.396 0.315 65 Atl,blauser 0.409 0.276 0.310 0.364 66 SnF,thompson 0.408 0.278 0.389 0.316 66 Hou,caminiti 0.408 0.259 0.481 0.286 68 Flo,barberie 0.405 0.267 0.267 0.371 69 Mon,cordero 0.400 0.276 0.345 0.323 70 SnD,sheffield 0.397 0.241 0.448 0.267 71 Los,karros 0.392 0.259 0.296 0.355 72 SnF,williams 0.391 0.226 0.452 0.250 72 SnD,mcgriff 0.391 0.192 0.385 0.276 74 Flo,destrade 0.390 0.267 0.333 0.333 75 Col,girardi 0.388 0.238 0.381 0.304 76 Atl,bream 0.386 0.182 0.409 0.250 77 Mon,wood 0.385 0.200 0.300 0.333 78 Flo,santiago 0.384 0.200 0.360 0.286 79 Phi,thompson 0.383 0.227 0.273 0.320 80 SnF,clayton 0.382 0.345 0.379 0.345 80 Los,piazza 0.382 0.304 0.391 0.333 82 SnD,bell 0.378 0.273 0.364 0.304 83 Los,wallach 0.374 0.200 0.400 0.273 84 Cin,larkin 0.367 0.281 0.281 0.361 85 Pit,garcia 0.366 0.273 0.318 0.304 85 *Cincinnati 0.366 0.256 0.319 0.326 87 NYM,coleman 0.363 0.259 0.259 0.310 88 NYM,kent 0.362 0.190 0.286 0.320 89 StL,whiten 0.361 0.240 0.360 0.321 90 Cin,roberts 0.359 0.278 0.278 0.333 90 *Cubs 0.359 0.236 0.366 0.277 92 SnF,lewis 0.354 0.227 0.364 0.261 92 Hou,finley 0.354 0.214 0.250 0.312 92 Col,clark 0.354 0.250 0.350 0.286 95 Los,pitcher 0.350 0.286 0.357 0.286 95 *SnDiego 0.350 0.219 0.357 0.268 97 Atl,lemke 0.345 0.200 0.240 0.333 98 *LosAngeles 0.339 0.221 0.275 0.311 99 SnF,mcgee 0.335 0.267 0.300 0.333 99 *Atlanta 0.335 0.199 0.308 0.287 101 Cin,sanders 0.334 0.267 0.333 0.290 101 Cin,oliver 0.334 0.208 0.208 0.345 103 SnD,gardner 0.332 0.238 0.333 0.273 103 Los,reed 0.332 0.276 0.276 0.323 105 Phi,hollins 0.327 0.226 0.290 0.294 106 *Florida 0.326 0.226 0.268 0.311 107 Los,davis 0.325 0.188 0.219 0.278 108 Atl,pendleton 0.322 0.212 0.273 0.297 109 SnF,clark 0.316 0.161 0.290 0.257 110 Los,strawberry 0.314 0.111 0.185 0.314 110 Hou,biggio 0.314 0.179 0.214 0.303 112 Phi,bell 0.304 0.182 0.364 0.217 113 Flo,magadan 0.303 0.182 0.182 0.357 114 StL,pagnozzi 0.299 0.158 0.316 0.238 115 Pit,martin 0.295 0.167 0.417 0.167 115 Col,bichette 0.295 0.222 0.389 0.222 117 Hou,taubensee 0.294 0.190 0.333 0.227 118 Mon,bolick 0.292 0.250 0.312 0.250 119 Flo,pose 0.291 0.258 0.323 0.303 120 Mon,cianfrocco 0.287 0.188 0.375 0.188 121 NYM,johnson 0.274 0.136 0.136 0.296 122 Cin,kelly 0.272 0.250 0.333 0.270 123 Atl,nixon 0.256 0.185 0.222 0.241 124 NYM,pitcher 0.255 0.167 0.250 0.231 125 Pit,pitcher 0.250 0.222 0.278 0.222 126 Cub,buechle 0.231 0.154 0.192 0.241 127 StL,lankford 0.225 0.133 0.133 0.316 128 Atl,olson 0.224 0.150 0.150 0.261 129 Cub,vizcaino 0.217 0.148 0.259 0.179 130 Cub,sanchez 0.212 0.188 0.219 0.212 131 Phi,duncan 0.202 0.214 0.214 0.214 132 Los,offerman 0.198 0.182 0.182 0.250 133 SnF,pitcher 0.197 0.176 0.235 0.176 134 Mon,laker 0.183 0.133 0.267 0.133 135 Phi,chamberlain 0.180 0.111 0.111 0.200 136 SnD,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 136 Atl,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 138 Phi,pitcher 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 139 Cub,maldonado 0.150 0.105 0.158 0.150 140 Flo,felix 0.148 0.172 0.207 0.172 141 Cin,espy 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 142 StL,jordan 0.140 0.105 0.211 0.105 143 Atl,berryhill 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 144 Cub,pitcher 0.126 0.111 0.111 0.158 145 SnD,shipley 0.122 0.087 0.174 0.087 146 StL,pitcher 0.106 0.125 0.125 0.125 147 Hou,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 147 Col,benavides 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 147 Cin,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 150 Cub,wilkins 0.038 0.000 0.000 0.067 151 Flo,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 151 Col,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- AB - H BA = H / AB SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB) -- Jet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu 4800 Oak Grove Dr. | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov M/S 525-3684 | Pasadena, CA 91109 | " 10157,6,"From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Nikon FM2 and lens forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 5 Nikon FM-2n with 50 mm Nikkor and accessories for sale.I bought this camera in Hong Kong two years ago and everything has been looked after very well. I'm now selling some more gear to finance my next big film project. Asking $350 for package. NO BARGAINS. " 10158,3,"From: delman@mipg.upenn.edu (Delman Lee) Subject: Tandberg 3600 + Future Domain TMC-1660 + Seagate ST-21M problem?? Distribution: comp Organization: University of Pennsylvania, USA. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu I am trying to get my system to work with a Tandberg 3600 + Future Domain TMC-1660 + Seagate ST-21M MFM controller. The system boots up if the Tandberg is disconnected from the system, and of course no SCSI devices found (I have no other SCSI devices). The system boots up if the Seagate MFM controller is removed from the system. The Future Domain card reports finding the Tandberg 3660 on the SCSI bus. The system then of course stops booting because my MFM hard disks can't be found. The system hangs if all three (Tandberg, Future Domain TMC-1660 & Seagate MFM controller) are in the system. Looks like there is some conflict between the Seagate and Future Domain card. But the funny thing is that it only hangs if the Tandberg is connected. I have checked that there are no conflict in BIOS addresses, IRQ & I/O port. Have I missed anything? I am lost here. Any suggestions are most welcomed. Thanks in advance. Delman. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Delman Lee Tel.: +1-215-662-6780 Medical Image Processing Group, Fax.: +1-215-898-9145 University of Pennsylvania, 4/F Blockley Hall, 418 Service Drive, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021, U.S.A.. Internet: delman@mipg.upenn.edu ______________________________________________________________________ " 10159,7,"From: jyow@desire.wright.edu Subject: Re: Alarm systems: are they worthwhile? Distribution: usa Organization: Wright State University Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr19.164451.3744@news.eng.convex.com>, Dave Dodson writes: > Is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car? > > What features are important? > > What features are unimportant? That is a question that can only be answered by yourself and where you live. If you live in a place where crime is apparent, then it might be a good idea to get one simply as a deterrent. However, if a professional thief wants your vehicle, its as good as gone no matter what you do. But to slow down any thieves it would be a good idea to get the basic options. That would be: 1) ignition kill or fuel cut-off 2) a flashing red LED These two are basic to a decent alarm system. To slow down the criminal some more, get a steering wheel lock. That should be sufficient to persuade the thief to find an easier target. But, then there's always car-jacking. Why is life so confusing? I hope I helped somewhat. ************************************************************************ Jason Yow Human Factors Psychology Program Wright State University, Dayton, OH E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu ************************************************************************ " 10160,1,"From: rws@cs.arizona.edu (Ronald W. Schmidt) Subject: outlining of spline surface Keywords: spline rasterization Lines: 38 About a year ago I started work on a problem that appeared to be very simple and turned out to be quite difficult. I am wondering if anyone on the net has seen this problem and (hopefully) some published solutions to it. The problem is to draw an outline of a surface defined by two roughly parallel cubic splines. For inputs the problem essentially starts with two sets of points where each set of points is on the edge of an object which we treat as two dimensional, i.e. only extant between the edges, but which exists in three dimensional space. To draw the object we 1) fit a cubic spline through the points. Each spline is effectively computed as a sequence of line segments approximating the curve. Each spline has an equal number of segments. We assume that the nth segment along each spline is roughly, but not exactly, the same distance along each spline by any reasonable measure. 2) Take each segment (n) along each spline and match it to the nth segment of the opposing spline. Use the pair of segments to form two triangles which will be filled in to color the surface. 3) Depth sort the triangles 4) Take each triangle in sorted order, project onto a 2D pixmap, draw and color the triangle. Take the edge of the triangle that is along the edge of the surface and draw a line along that edge colored with a special ""edge color"" It is the edge coloring in step 4 that is at the heart of the problem. The idea is to effectively outline the edge of the surface. The net result however generally has lots of breaks and gaps in the edge of the surface. The reasons for this are fairly complicated. They involve both rasterization problems and problems resulting from the projecting the splines. If anything about this problem sounds familiar we would appreciate knowing about other work in this area. -Thanks " 10161,6,"From: mkao@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Michelle Kao) Subject: 4 4MB simms for sale(30 pin, 80ns, for Mac) Organization: Purdue University Lines: 2 $400included shipping " 10162,11,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Lines: 63 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA Distribution: na In article <1993Apr18.022011.15502@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) writes: |>In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu |>(Andrew Molitor) writes: |>>In article |>>tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: |>> |>>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime |>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |>>Isn't this just a little melodramatic? |> |>Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming |>that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the |>University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated |>by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification |>file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a |>complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for |>Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no |>interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. In article , johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: |> A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly |>frightening significance. The comment was made that ""In other parts |>of the world the Democrats [note the big ""D""] would be known as |>Socialists"" We might get further if we begin by accepting that the government really couldn't be bothered less about the political opinions of the right wing pro establishment types. Just about the only circumstances in which I could think that they would be interested in their political views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the socialists such as myself who have been persecuted. Now before people start asserting that there is no mechanism by which the administration can get their new chip adopted without legal force lets try thinking. In the first place the clipper chip must have existed for several years as a defense project. Therefore this is not a party matter at all. George Bush was in any case hardly adverse to tapping calls, he was chief spook remember. Secondly the govt can quite easily apply pressure. They simply ""ask"" their chums who they give huge defense contracts to (motorola etc) to be ""nice"" boys. After all Bill is giving them a nice little trade monopoly since the chips won't be avaliable to foreign firms. Thirdly the people who consider the Democrats to be socialist are not the same as the ones who consider socialists to be communist. People might know this if the US education system did not suffer from the Mcarthyite and Dewy version of political correctness - the sort with tribunals and show trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter. It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious. Phill Hallam-Baker Phill Hallam-Baker " 10163,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production! Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: na Lines: 25 qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: > --From the latest issue of AutoWeek, the Chevy Impala SS will arrive in > dealer showrooms in mid-1994. Dealers have already been notified. No word > on the changes to be made for the production version. My question to all of > you is would you buy it? And how much would you pay for it? > > Aamir Qazi > qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. > > -- > > Aamir Qazi > qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint Alright GM!!!! Finally my wishes have come true, Moby Dick with a Corvette engine. DOn't you think they should maybe spend the money doing something about the lousy build/quality/design of their bigger selling cars? This is another example of why GM is in so much trouble. If you're going to stick the LT-1 or ZR-1 engine in a car, at least make it a nice looking one. Sheesh . " 10164,10,"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: from Anna Matyas: >>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it >>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... >> >>Gerald > >In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they >will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of >misconducts? > >And this comes from a Chelios fan... Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) Ralph " 10165,16,"From: diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich) Subject: BATF Acronym Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 13 Haven't seen this one on here yet, so here it goes: B. arely A. dequate, T. otally F. ***ed! I don't know about adequate, but it fits the acronym. =) -- Andrew Diederich diederic@spot.colorado.edu These opinions are only mine on alternate Tuesdays. " 10166,1,"From: ridout@bink.plk.af.mil (Brian S. Ridout) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: Air Force Phillips Lab. Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bink.plk.af.mil In article <1993Apr15.134802.21995@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) writes: |> Has anyone got multiverse to work ? |> |> I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation. |> |> There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing |> (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed |> setting to static - else the client core-dumped) |> |> Steve |> -- |> |> Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts |> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus |> | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street |> | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury |> | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire |> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England |> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer I built it on a rs6000 (my only Motif machine) works fine. I added some objects into dogfight so I could get used to flying. This was very easy. All in all Cool!. Brian " 10167,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Who be Conservative on this..... Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 17 In <1993Apr2.154706.15557@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes: |Congress is NOT allowed to abrogate the constitutional rights and privileges |already enjoyed by persons, however, unless the abrogation has a ""rational |reason"" or a ""compelling interest"" to it, depending on which standard is |applied. This is relevant because granting a right to one class of persons |by definition ALWAYS impinges on the rights of another class or classes or |persons, to some degree. In the case of abortion, establishing rights for |the unborn impinges GREATLY on the rights of pregnant women. There has yet |to be presented a sufficient justification for such fetal rights. Not to your satisfaction. But the arguments have convinced me, and others. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 10168,12,"From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Organization: RAND Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org In article cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) writes: >: While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up [KNX], AM 1070, >: a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles. They had an ad >: claiming that they were able to get traffic flow information from >: all of the thousands of traffic sensors that CalTrans has placed >: under the pavement. Does CalTrans sell this info? Does [KNX] have >: an exclusive? What's the deal? Well, they claim they are the only radio broadcaster with this information. But the city's cable channel (35 in CableVision areas) shows this information map during travel times (6-9am and 4-7pm, I believe). Most of the major LA freeways are covered. The computer-generated map shows green, yellow, red, or flashing red (respectively: <40mph, 25-40mph, >25mph, and ""incident""--I might be off a little on the speeds, since this is from memory). I often look at this display in the morning to see if I really want to fight the traffic on the Sepulveda Pass or work from home for a little while to wait for it to clear. Another poster explained the origin of the information: sensors (embedded wire loops) in the pavement near ramps and every half mile or so. CalTrans has had a ""big board"" driven from this data in their traffic control center for some time. I don't know if they are selling the data or if anyone with the equipment necessary for its transmission and display can have it. -Ed Hall edhall@rand.org " 10169,6,"Subject: Looking for a person [VHS for sale] From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 15 I am looking for a person who made an offer of $50 for five of my VHS movies. I was not able to save the e-mail address of this person. It has been a week since we made the deal, please reply. The five movies are Basic Instinct Born on the Forth of July Backdraft The Prince of Tides Presumed Innocent Douglas Kou Hiram College " 10170,11,"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 42 ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: >I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? [...] [From Mike Godwin , posted with permission - Carl] Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. > e.g. The police couldn't demand that you silently take them to where the > body is buried or where the money is hidden. No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it happens, evidence that will convict you is stored. The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn over the key. The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum). Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against you. --Mike -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = " 10171,14,"From: games@max.u.washington.edu Subject: Aerospace companies cooperate in reusable vehicle market. Article-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.121843.1 Distribution: world Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu What would all of you out there in net land think of the big 6 (Martin Mariatta, Boeing, Mcdonell Douglas, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Rockwell) getting together, and forming a consortium to study exactly what the market price pints are for building reusable launch vehicles, and spending say $3million to do that. Recognizing that most of the military requirements for launch vehicles are pulled out of a hat somewhere (say, has the shuttle ever really used that 1200mi crossrange capability? You get the idea, figure out how many, how often, where to, etc...) Then taking this data, and forming a sematech type company (bad example, I know... but at least its an example...) To develop between 3 and 5 craft designs. Then to take all of those designs, and figure out EXACTLY what the technologies are, and demonstrate those technologies, in order to eliminate designs that can't be built today. And lets say that this portion again funded by the GOV cost about $20 million. And from here all of these companies went their separate ways, with the intention of taking all of the market data and the design data to wall street, and saying ""I want to build this vehicle, and here are the numbers that show %20 ROI, fund me...) Now many of you think that this is a joke, but I have it on good authority that just this project is shaping up in the background. It seems that the aerospace companies have learned that everyone yelling similar but different things ends up in many programs that do nothing much and get canceled (NASP, NLS, ALS, DCY?, etc...) They need to work more in the japaneese, and european spirit of initial cooperation. They have also learned that design requirements that are phony (I.E. some generals idea of what a space vehicle ought to be) ends up getting chopped up in congress, because it is not a REAL requirement. Any feedback? John. " 10172,5,"From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) Subject: Installing MIT X11R5 on Apollo Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 14 Can any Apollo GURUS out there let me know of their experiences building MIT X11R5, with or without GCC 2.3.3. In particular, is there anything I should watch out for. Thanks in advance --tim ________________________________________________________________________________ Tim Liddelow for(;;) fork(); Systems Programmer Centre of Advanced Technology in Telecommunications My brain on a bad day. CITRI, Melbourne, Australia internet : tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au Phone : +61 3 282 2455 Fax : +61 3 282 2444 ________________________________________________________________________________ " 10173,2,"From: GMILLS@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Phil Trodwell) Subject: VB Decompiler? Lines: 9 Organization: University of Waterloo Subject says it all. Do any exist? Are they shareware? Where? Phil Trodwell *** This space ***| ""I'd be happy to ram a goddam 440-volt cattle *** for rent. ***| prod into that tub with you right now, but not *** (cheap) ***| this radio!"" -Hunter S. Thompson " 10174,6,"From: nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (Bill Huang) Subject: Sega Genesis For Sale/Trade => Game Gear Organization: ZEN Self Constraint Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 16 Sega Control Panel Super Manaco GP II Catrridge One Regular Controller One Turbo Controller A/C Adapter A/V Cable Stereo Cable Carrying Bag I would like $90 plus shipping OR trade with Game Gear and game. Please e-mail if you feel interested, thank you! -- Bill " 10175,7,"From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: wife wants convertible Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 9 HELP!!! my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one. My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small. I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think). Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range. Thanx " 10176,1,"From: ajs8@kimbark.uchicago.edu (adam jeremy schorr) Subject: Graphics Needed Reply-To: ajs8@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 2 I'm looking for graphics (clipart, bmp, gif...) of anything relating to ophthalmology (I know it's a weird request). Anything such as eyeglasses, contact lenses, eyes...would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. " 10177,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: |> One of my biggest complaints about using the word ""fundamentalist"" |> is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime |> fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim |> but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. |> I wonder what an equal definition would be.. |> any takers.. Well, I would go as far as saying that Naturei Karta are definitely Jewish fundamentalists. Other ultra-orthodox Jewish groups might very well be, though I am hesitant of making such a broad generalization. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 10178,11,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Lines: 16 : At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was des encryped : and the person that had sent it, went on vaction. Rather than wait two weeks : I set up a straight frontal attack with one key at a time. It only took two(2) : days to crack the file. No, I don't have any faith in DES. : A.G. Fun! Three questions: 1) What hardware did you use? 2) When you found the key, was there anything about it that was special that meant you had been lucky to find it early? (Like the first 30 bits all being 0) 3) ... or did you mean a dictionary attack rather than a binary key attack? G " 10179,12,"Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca Distribution: world Organization: Robert Smits Lines: 21 vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: > drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: > > > Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, > > that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. > > > >Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for > >just the amplifier. > > It is too possible. As the original poster said ""it is very unlikely"" > but definately possible. (Can you say batteries?) I've even seen pictures of an installation where the ham pulled a little trailer behind his car with a 4KW generator, and ran the full legal limit while mobile. I don't know what his gas mileage was like, though, or where he found resonators able to stand the gaff. emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC) " 10180,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Organization: sgi Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: |> In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: |> >|>Er, Jon, what Ken said was: |> >|> |> >|> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately, |> >|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> >|> most Jews did not survive. |> >|> |> >|>That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi. |> > [my previous posting deleted] |> |> Yes, yes. This is a perfectly fine rant, and I agree with it completely. |> But what does it have to do with anything? The issue at hand here |> is whether or not Ken accused the fellow from Germany of being a |> Nazi. I grant that he did not explicity make this accusation, but |> he came pretty damn close. He is certainly accusing the guy of |> sympathizing with those who would like to exterminate the Jews, and |> that's good enough for me. The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany. That's right. There have been. There have also been people who were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly acceptable. Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand? jon. " 10181,10,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf In-Reply-To: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 07:37:16 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 36 In <1993Apr16.073716.16514@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE writes: > > In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: > |> In pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: > |> > |> > > |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players > |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. > |> > |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards > |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us? > > As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player > who was born in Canada but now has a German passport). > Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play > for Germany in the WC. > > The other Canada-born forwards are: > Peter-John Lee (has British passport) > Chris Valentine > Dale Dercatch > Steve Gootas > Earl Spry (?) > > At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind: > Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf Hm, do you think Dusseldorf fans would like it if their team joined the NHL? Or do we have to include Koln as well (Cologne to you Anglophiles) to make them happy?:-) > Volker MARCU$ > " 10182,8,"From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) Subject: Re: Long lasting tires for small bike. Organization: pnet X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 22 wsh8z@amsun29.apma.Virginia.EDU (Will Heyman) writes: : no rear tires as small as 110/90. There are some fronts though. So get a 120/90 instead. Is there anything that size? : Any other recomendations? : Call the tire companies yourself and tell them what you have. They can make recomendations for you. That's your best bet. Check a biker magazine (Cycle World etc) for phone numbers. It's possible there are no other tires available though. ============================================================================== Erik Astrup AFM #422 DoD #683 1993 CBR 900RR * 1990 CBR 600 * 1990 Concours * 1989 Ninja 250 ""This one goes to eleven"" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap ============================================================================== " 10183,0,"From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Theist Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 31 <1993Apr5.024150.10193@wam.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.024150.10193@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > means to me. The full quote (Michael Crichton, _Jurrasic_Park_) was > something like ""The earth has existed quite contently for billions of > years. We have been here but for the blink of an eye, and if we were gone > tomorrow, the earth would not miss us."". I remember this quote to keep > myself humble when thinking that we have progressed so far or that we > are masters of this planet. Cool quote. > The earth doesn't need saving, it's existed quite happily with- > out us, we are the ones who need saving. Better watch it. The theists will jump on you for that... :-) > Brian West. > -- > THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * -""To the Earth, we have been > THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * here but for the blink of an > OK, SO IT'S A SIG FILE * eye, if we were gone tomorrow, > posted by west@wam.umd.edu * we would not be missed.""- > who doesn't care who knows it. * (Jurassic Park) > ** DICLAIMER: I said this, I meant this, nobody made me do it.** Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. " 10184,12,"From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Distribution: world Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 35 In article <1qmisf$odp@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM>, garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel) writes: > In article 1834@cmkrnl.com, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: >>What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is >>to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact, >>depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*. > > You still need to supply a proper ground for a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter! Not according to the NEC nor the CEC, as explained in the electrical wiring FAQ, which I posted here separately. Note the material under the headings > Subject: How do I convert two prong receptacles to three prong? and > Subject: Are you sure about GFCIs and ungrounded outlets? > Should the test button work? Of course, as they said -- ""Local codes may vary"". > So rewiring is still a part of this job, however, the ground may be connected to > a local earth ground, rather than back at the breaker box. I'm not sure about this. If the ground connections on the outlets are connected to anything, they should be connected to a wire that runs back to the main panel, where it is bonded to the neutral connector and to the house ground rod. A connection to a local earth ground would not necessarily meet one of the goals of the ground wire, which is that if a short develops from hot to the ground wire, enough current would flow to trip the breaker. Hmmm. How are those orange ""isolated ground"" outlets (often used in computer rooms) wired? --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 " 10185,9,"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Yankees win home opener Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In article <93105.124117RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes: } In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam } Millitello) says: } } i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask. } } bob vesterman. } yeah, and in case even that isn't enough to prompt boy genius ""Sam"" to pick up a paper and see how ""his"" name is spelled, here's another hint: the single ""L"" comes between the two ""I""s... -*- charles " 10186,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Help wanted Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 54 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article <1993Apr20.071549.24839@csc.canberra.edu.au>, u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) writes: |> Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4 |> demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit, |> but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this |> seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I |> have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible. |> |> Thanx, |> Taro Ogawa |> (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au) A 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although many commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly, a 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change state, according to the inputs. A demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which of four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are three inputs required. A decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable input, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all outputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output will be low). An eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to select which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your aim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note that this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since you have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left once you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose. A sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus a mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use the fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the four enable lines. Of course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the four final stage decoders. Please give me the credit when you submit your homework. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10187,8,"From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center R.T.P. NC USA Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: polymr4.bdrc.bd.com >I eagerly await comment. The ice princess next door makes a habit of flooring her cage out of the driveway when she sees me coming. Probably only hits 25mph, or so. (I made the mistake of waving to a neighbor. She has some sort of grudge, now.) I was riding downhill at ~60mph on a local backroad when a brown dobie came flashing through the brush at well over 30mph, on an intercept course with my front wheel. The dog had started out at the top of the hill when it heard me and still had a lead when it hit the road. The dog was approaching from my left, and was running full tilt to get to my bike on the other side of the road before I went by. Rover was looking back at me to calculate the final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph from the other direction. I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back home, but I haven't seen it since. Sniff. Sometimes Fate sees you and smiles. -Rick " 10188,18,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr16.031616.23130@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: > >This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the >1980 election. > >This whole ""USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it"", is not only lame, >pathetic, and old....... it's wrong. > >Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more than >the entire economy of Germany, a ""kind, gentle"" country, in many peoples' >books. What a joke. Drive down to Cincinnati and take a look. Not pretty, is it? Things were much better there in 1980. All that growth went into the hands of Ron and Georgie's pals, and I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE DIME OF IT, DAMMIT. And, now, I'm gonna be bled to death by tax leeches to pay for the damage. F***ing great. Oh, here's another thing. Seems like a lot of people in Columbus drive over to Marysville and make Japanese cars. Hm. I wonder how many American-owned companies employ those in Central Ohio? Other than Ohio State University. :) cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. " 10189,14,"Subject: Space FAQ 02/15 - Network Resources From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:54:26 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 241 Archive-name: space/net Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:15 $ NETWORK RESOURCES OVERVIEW You may be reading this document on any one of an amazing variety of computers, so much of the material below may not apply to you. In general, however, systems connected to 'the net' fall in one of three categories: Internet, Usenet, or BITNET. Electronic mail may be sent between these networks, and other resources available on one of these networks are sometimes accessible from other networks by email sent to special 'servers'. The space and astronomy discussion groups actually are composed of several mechanisms with (mostly) transparent connections between them. One mechanism is the mailing list, in which mail is sent to a central distribution point which relays it to all recipients of the list. In addition to the general lists for space (called SPACE Digest for Internet users, and SPACE on BITNET), there are a number of more specialized mailing lists described below. A second mechanism is Usenet 'netnews'. This is somewhat like a bulletin board operating on each system which is a part of the net. Netnews separates contributions into hundreds of different categories based on a 'group name'. The groups dealing most closely with space topics are called 'sci.space.news', 'sci.space', 'sci.space.shuttle', 'sci.astro', and 'talk.politics.space'. Contributors 'post' submissions (called 'articles' in netnews terminology) on their local machine, which sends it to other nearby machines. Similarly, articles sent from nearby machines are stored locally and may be forwarded to other systems, so that an article is posted locally and eventually reaches all the Usenet sites interested in receiving the news group to which the article was posted. Gateway machines redirect the Usenet sci.space group into Internet and BITNET mailing lists and vice versa; the other Usenet groups are not accessible as mailing lists. If you can receive netnews, its more flexible interface and access to a wider range of material usually make it the preferred option. MAILING LISTS SPACE Digest is the main Internet list, and is now being run by the International Space University (in only its second change of management in over a decade). Email space-request@isu.isunet.edu (message body should be in the format 'subscribe space John Public') to join. Note that the moderated SPACE Magazine list is defunct at present for lack of a moderator. Old copies of SPACE Digest since its inception in 1981 are available by anonymous FTP. Retrieve julius.cs.qub.ac.uk:pub/SpaceDigestArchive/README for further details. Elements is a moderated list for fast distribution of Space Shuttle Keplerian Elements before and during Shuttle flights. NASA two line elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join. GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to gps-request@esseye.si.com to join. 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Please remember that the individuals posting this information are performing a service for all net readers, and don't take up their time with frivolous requests. ACRONYMS Garrett Wollman (wollman@UVM.EDU) posts an acronym list around the first of each month. ASTRO-FTP LIST Veikko Makela (veikko.makela@helsinki.fi) posts a monthly list of anonymous FTP servers containing astronomy and space related material to sci.space and sci.astro. AVIATION WEEK Henry Spencer (henry@zoo.toronto.edu) posts summaries of space-related stories in the weekly _Aviation Week and Space Technology_. BUYING TELESCOPES Ronnie Kon (ronnie@cisco.com) posts a guide to buying telescopes to sci.astro. ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF THE ASA Don Barry (don@chara.gsu.edu) posts the monthly Electronic Journal of the Astronomical Society of the Atlantic to sci.astro. FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL Swaraj Jeyasingh (sjeyasin@axion.bt.co.uk) posts summaries of space-related news from _Flight International_. This focuses more on non-US space activities than Aviation Week. LARGE ASTRONOMICAL PROJECTS Robert Bunge (rbunge@access.digex.com) posts a list describing many ""Large Telescope Projects Either Being Considered or in the Works"" to sci.astro. NASA HEADLINE NEWS & SHUTTLE REPORTS Peter Yee (yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov) posts a variety of NASA material, including NASA Headline News (with the schedule for NASA SELECT), shuttle payload briefings and flight manifests, and KSC shuttle status reports. For Usenet users, much of this material appears in the group sci.space.shuttle. NASA UPDATES Ron Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) posts frequent updates from JPL, Ames, and other centers on the Ulysses, Gailileo, Pioneer, Magellan, Landsat, and other missions. ORBITAL ELEMENT SETS TS Kelso (tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil) posts orbital elements from NASA Prediction Bulletins. Mike Rose (mrose@stsci.edu) posts orbital elements for the Hubble Space Telescope to sci.astro. 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The intro document needed to understand these reports is available by anonymous FTP from solar.stanford.edu (36.10.0.4) in pub/understanding_solar_terrestrial_reports. nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) also has this document in /pub/misc/rec.radio.shortwave/solarreports and is an archive site for the reports (please note this site is in Europe, and the connection to the US is only 56KB). A new primary archive site, xi.uleth.ca (142.66.3.29), has recently been established and will be actively supported. SOVIET SPACE ACTIVITIES Glenn Chapman (glennc@cs.sfu.ca) posts summaries of Soviet space activities. SPACE ACTIVIST NEWSLETTER Allen Sherzer (aws@iti.org) posts a newsletter, ""One Small Step for a Space Activist,"" to talk.politics.space. It describes current legislative activity affecting NASA and commercial space activities. 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Specifically, NASA personnel and procurement operations are regarded with some sensitivity. Contractors must renegotiate their contracts. The Fair and Open Procurement Act does not look kindly to those having inside information. Contractors and outsiders caught using this type of information can expect severe penalities. Unauthorized access attempts may subject you to a fine and/or imprisonment in accordance with Title 18, USC, Section 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact NASA personnel. Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write NASA Inspector General P.O. Box 23089 L'enfant Plaza Station Washington DC 20024 NEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. " 10190,16,"From: franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Organization: Bank America Systems Engineering, Pasadena, CA Lines: 20 On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before the raid. This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property; any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse. In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to standards at least as moral as the military's. Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children. Government greed. It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions. Fred Franceschi (These are my own opinions!) " 10191,10,"Subject: Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team From: ""nigel allen"" Reply-To: ""nigel allen"" Distribution: rec Organization: Canada Remote Systems Lines: 158 Here is a press release from the White House. Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team April 19; Q&A Following To: National Desk Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, April 19 -- Following is a transcript of remarks by President Clinton to the University of Maine ""Black Bears"" NCAA Division I hockey champions: The Rose Garden 9:58 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning ladies and gentlemen. It's an honor for me to welcome the University of Maine Black Bears, the winner of the NCAA Division I hockey national championship to the Rose Garden and the White House. I understand from Senator Mitchell that this is the first team from the University of Maine every to win a national championship. And we're glad to have them here. I'm inspired not only by how the team pulled together to win the championship, but how the entire state pulled together to cheer them onto victory. Coming from a state that is also relatively small in size, but also filled with pride and tradition and community, I can understand how the people of Maine must feel about the Black Bears. In our state people are still talking about the time we won the Orange Bowl over the number one ranked football team, and that was back in 1978. I'm sure that 15 years from now, the people of Maine will as proud of this team as they are today. You know, in my state football is a slightly more popular sport than hockey. We don't have a lot of ice. (Laughter.) But after spending three months getting banged around in this town, I can understand a little more about hockey than I did before I came here. Hockey is a tough game. It's a hard-hitting sport. It does have one virtue though, there's a penalty for delay of game. I wish we had that rule in the Senate. (Laughter.) In government as in hockey, leadership is important. In the United States Senate, our team has a great captain, the Majority Leader and the senior Senator from Maine, George Mitchell; junior Senator -- Cohen looks so young, I can't imagine. (Laughter.) I'm actually bitter about Senator Cohen because he looks so much younger than me. On your hockey team, the captain Jim Montgomery has done a great job. He scored the winning goal late in the championship game, leading you to a come-from-behind victory -- something else I know a little bit about. Sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams and in communities. I share the pride that Senator Mitchell and Senator Cohen and Congressman Andrews and all the people of Maine must feel for the Black Bears who have shown us all how to play as a team, how to bring out the best in one another, and how to come from behind. I think it's important, as I ask young people from around America who have achieved outstanding things in working together, to come here to the White House to be recognized and appreciated by their country, to remember that those kinds of values and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all of our lives. We now have another role model, and I'm glad to have them here today. (Applause.) (The President is presented with team jersey.) (Applause.) THE PRESIDENT: That's great. I love it. It's beautiful. (Applause.) (The President is presented with an autographed stick.) THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. That's great. (Applause.) * * * * * * Q Mr. President, did you authorize the move on Waco this morning, sir? THE PRESIDENT: I was aware of it. I think the Attorney General made the decision. And I think I should refer all questions to her and to the FBI. Q Did you have any instructions for her as to how it should be executed? THE PRESIDENT: No, they made the tactical decisions. That was their judgment, the FBI. Q Is this a raid? THE PRESIDENT: And I will -- I want to refer you to -- talk to the Attorney General and the FBI. I knew it was going to be done, but the decisions were entirely theirs, all the tactical decisions. Q What did you and Senator Mitchell talk about this morning? Q Any chance for that stimulus package? THE PRESIDENT: Senator Mitchell ought to pay my quarter. (Laughter.) I was in there -- (laughter). SENATOR MITCHELL: You have to pay that quarter. THE PRESIDENT: I was ready. (Laughter.) Senator Mitchell, he's worth a quarter any day. Q Any chance for your bill, sir? THE PRESIDENT: We talked about what was going to happen this week in the Senate and about what other meetings we're going to have for the rest of the week. We only had about five minutes to talk. And we agreed we'd get back together later, around noon, and talk some more. Q Senator Dole said over the weekend that your compromise is no compromise. THE PRESIDENT: Well, I know he did, but, look, Senator Dole and a lot of the other Republicans now in the Senate voted for the same kind of thing for Ronald Reagan in 1983; and our research indicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of 28 emergency spending measures totalling over $100 billion when Reagan and Bush were President, in those administrations. And many of those purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the American people back to work. I don't want to go back and revisit every one, but you can do it. You can look at the research there. So this position they're taking is not credible. We have a very tough five-year deficit reduction plan. All these costs are covered during that time and then some. And the very people that are saying this has all got to be paid for don't have much of a history on which to base their position. They've got 12 years of vote for stimulus measures of this kind that had very little to with putting the American people back to work. So I think we've got a chance to work it out, and I'm hopeful. We'll see what happens today and tomorrow. I'm feeling pretty good about it. THE PRESS: Thank you END 10:10 A.M. EDT -30- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 " 10192,7,"From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 20 neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes: > [sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] > > > That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselve > > and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is > > imminent. > > > > Steve Heracleous > > You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you > go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good > job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from > me - those kids are mean. Ditto, I you dont do it yourself nobody, will. Unless I am behind you, so both of us can shoot them bastards. " 10193,5,"From: ziegenfE@moravian.edu (Eric W. Ziegenfus) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Running AIX info from a Sun rlogin shell. Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: batman In <1r74bcINN6ei@ome.sps.mot.com> wcl@risc.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long) writes: > When I run our RS6000's ""info"" utility through a remote login > shell (rlogin) from my Sun Sparc 1+, I can no longer type > lower case in any of info's window prompt's. > I thought the prob. may have been due to my Sun window mgr. > (Openlook) being incompatible with the AIX Motif application > but I tried it under TVTWM also. Same result. > > So this is presumably an X11 key definition problem between > workstations - but my system admins. feign ignorance. > > What do I need to do the be able to type lower case into > this remote AIX motif app. from within my local Openlook > window manager? > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Wayne Long - OE215 Internet: wcl@risc.sps.mot.com >6501 William Cannon Drive West UUCP: cs.texas.edu!oakhill!risc!wcl >Austin, Texas 78735-8598 Phone (512) 891-4649 FAX: 891-3818 I have had the exact same problem, but have not figured out a solution. I run a PC with Linux (free-unix) with X11r5 and OpenWindows 3.0, I would appreciate any solutions. ewz -- /---------------------------------------------\ | INTERNET: ziegenfE@moravian.edu | | UUCP: ...!rutgers!lafcol!batman!ziegenfE | \_____________________________________________/ " 10194,9,"From: tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans) Subject: Re: McRae is (Re: Torre: The worst manager?) Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 Lines: 15 scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes: >KC(?) news was doing a report on that. They said that McRae is >really a batting coach and not a manager. But for some reason >he took the job. Whatever the reason, the Royals need a new >manager now...while it is too late. >-- And have Jesse Jackson picket the stadium? -- Tim Evans | E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com | Experimental Station (302) 695-9353/7395 | P.O. Box 80357 EVANSTK AT A1 AT ESVAX | Wilmington, Delaware 19880-0357 " 10195,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat... Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 79 In <4LD32B2w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes: >It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious >'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major. Perhaps it was Trottier. It happened behind the Habs goal if I recall. Gainey simply didn't have his head up as he was picking up the puck. >But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's skill >as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour's head into the >boards next week, will that diminish your assessment of Gilmour's >skills? If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing ""technically"" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did, that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely ludicrous. >>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to >>say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the >>pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne >>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, >>Dick Duff...and so on... > >I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of course, but to each his own... >I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included him I think Gainey should feel honoured to know that he is remembered at all. >on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view >about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part of Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team. And that is simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? >any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their >contribution...I think that most people understand that it's not >the Nobel Prize...so settle down. You're wrong again. The Selke is awarded to the forward that does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the best plugger. If Gilmour does the best defensive job in the league I don't see why he should be out of the running simply because he also contributes offen- sively. Settle down? If you think that I have likened the Selke to the Nobel prize then I suggest that you had best ""settle down"". And if you are going to try to put words in my mouth, let me suggest that you ""settle down"" before you bother following up on my postings. >congenially, as always, > >jd > >-- >James David >david@student.business.uwo.ca You might consider developing your own style. After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure that flattery is not your intention. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 10196,12,"From: dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) Subject: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA Lines: 8 Hi there, Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. -Dave dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu " 10197,16,"From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : failed to mention the Davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it in : plain view. Brent, I'm still waiting to see if there are any evidence of how the fire got started, so I'm not going to tell you who did it... As far as you keep talking about the Davidians pouring kerosene all over, stop and *think* for a second if it is possible the stove or lamp was knocked over and started a fire, and the Davidians were pouring water on it (wrong solution but I doubt I can do much better in their states of mind...) to try to put it out? By the way, just how far where you standing from the Davidians when you saw them setting the place on fire? Oh, in case you are new in town, microwave ovens doesn't work very well when there's no electricty. :-0 Get some *facts* before you post next time! --F. Chiu " 10198,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr19.231641.21652@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that >while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for >a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse >(or anywhere in the Qur'an). There is no notion of heliocentric, or even galacticentric either. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""My sole intention was learning to fly."" " 10199,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 15 In article , eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes: > I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in > the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread. > There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New > Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day. Jim, Please feel free to correct me and give me some texts. As far as I can see the only text which vaugely relates to jewish evangelism is found in Mt. 23:15. However since this is found only in Mt. it cannot be dated before 90CE which makes it unusefull for understanding Second Temple Judaism. randy " 10200,18,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts? Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 37 In <1993Apr5.170349.10700@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.230831.18332@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes: >>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes: >># sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >># >We already kill people (death penalty), and that costs even more >># >money, so you could as well complain about this extremely barbaric >># >way of justice. >># >># But the death penalty is right. >># >># And how expensive can an execution be? I mean, I think rope, cyanide >># (for the gas), or the rifles and ammunition to arm firing squads are >># affordable. >># >># Now, perhaps lethal injection might be expensive, in that case, let's >># return to the more efficient methods employed in the past. >> >>Oh, sure, the death *penalty* is fairly inexpensive, but the trial and >>sentencing can run millions. >> >>--strychnine unless you wanna cut costs by skipping the trial and >> sentencing... you murderous little rat-bastard > Why as a matter of fact, I was thinking of that as a way to make >the system more efficient. And the only murderous rat-bastards are >aboritionists. Yeah, Simon's no rat-bastard, he's the Head Attack Puppy :-) >Simon TOG " 10201,4,"From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Subject: Re: Help! How to test SIMMs? Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 13 ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu) writes: >Hello, > I just got some SIMMs, at least one of which does not work. I don't know if >there is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the >RAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead >SIMM into an LC or an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on >the screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance >Yih-Tyng >ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu There is a shareware ramchecker that I think is called ramcheck. it is available at most ftp sites such as umich and sumex. -Terry " 10202,7,"From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50 Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.130550.13550 Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil Organization: Grumman Data Systems Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8755]: invader.navo.navy.mil As an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively in the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus, 70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI. I've never had an oil-related problem. Disclaimer: It gets mighty hot down here. Kenneth finnegan@navo.navy.mil " 10203,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 45 In article tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: >I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but >definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion >about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the >effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus >as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, >buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not >believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be >lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only >god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. Dear Tim: You say that you were a ""catholic,"" but if you do not believe in the Christian God (I suppose that means the God of the Bible) and publicly state this, you are in all probability not a Roman Catholic. ""Public heretics, even those who err in good faith (material heretics), do not belong to the body of the Church"" (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 1960, Ludwig Ott, p. 311). All is not lost, however, as you still might belong spiritually to the Church by your desire to belong to it. As you said, only God can judge the condition of a man's soul. About judgment, on the other hand, St. Paul 1 Cor 5:12) urges Christians to judge their fellow Christians. Following the Apostle's teaching, I judge that you should reconsider returning to the Christian fold and embrace the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the God who lives. Concerning what you were told about non-believers when you were a catholic, that is true. As I have posted before, Vatican II (Lumen Gentium, II, n. 16) teaches: ""Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Chruch, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation."" Responding to your solicitation for opinions on the thinking processes of God, the best I can do is refer you to Scripture. Scripture is one of the best sources for learning what can be known about God. Stick with the best. -- boundary, the catechist no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, tr. esp. Vulgata Latina) " 10204,12,"From: carlos@math.lsa.umich.edu (Carlos Montenegro) Subject: Low voltage lighting and X10 questions. Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.math.lsa.umich.edu 1. Can low Voltage lights be controlled with an X10 module by putting it before the transformer? It seems to work, even the dimmer works. Not very reliable. Will it damage the module? Can it be done reliably? 2. I put a motion switch (Heath) to a low voltage light, it worked but now it is broken, too much current? How can I get arround that? 3. How can I increase the intensity of a light using the X10 PC computer interface without having it go 100% on first and then down. I am doing my own programing, not the X10 program. Thanks C. Montenegro " 10205,14,"Subject: DC-X/Y/1 question From: kkobayas@husc8.harvard.edu (Ken Kobayashi) Keywords: DC-X Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu Lines: 17 I've been following discussions about the Delta Clipper program, and I have one small question. As I understand it, the DC-X derived orbital vehicle (DC-Y & 1) is to reenter the atmosphere sort of sideways, not completely nose-first. So why is the DC-Y look symmetric in every drawing I've seen? I would think that an asymmetric design, sort of like wingless Orbiter, may work better, since less shielding is required on the top side. Can anybody explain? - Ken Kobayashi kkobayas@husc.harvard.edu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Kobayashi | kkobayas@husc.harvard.edu | ""There is no final frontier."" - IBM ad " 10206,15,"From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA. Lines: 16 Regarding David Wilkerson's prophecies. While I'm not real sure of his credibility, I do remember a book he wrote, called A VISION or something like that. He made a prediction that people who bought gold would be hurt financially. At the time, gold was up to about $800; now it is less than half that. This prediction stuck in my mind because a lot of people where I worked were buying gold. The problem is, we tend to remember predictions that come true and forget ones that didn't (a la Jean Dixon). Does anyone know if there any of his predictions, perhaps from the book I mentioned, that can pretty definitely be said to have not come true? -- -Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com ""Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too. War being hell makes sense."" -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING " 10207,7,"Subject: curious about you From: Maria Alice Ruth Organization: Penn State University Lines: 20 Please satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in finding out who is using the e-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks! Maria Alice Ruth mao111@psuvm.bitnet or @psuvm.psu.edu 1. Are you male or female? 2. How long have you been using the e-mail system? 3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)? 4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female? 5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or female? 6. Which net did you find my questions on? 7. Which other nets are you interested in? 8. How often do you read/post to the system? " 10208,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 92 In article mayne@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes: >In article Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu (Fil Sapienza) writes: [why are atheists atheists/ believes it could be the result of ""brokenness""] >This is condescending at best and a slightly disquised ad hominem >attack. This attitude on the part of many theists, especially the >vocal ones, is one reason for the hostility you sense. How do you >like it when atheists say that people turn to religion out of >immature emotionalism? i agree -- if you are going to find out anything from people who don't share your beliefs, do not attack them or condescend to them and hope to get a neutral picture of them. come to them with an open mind. >I don't believe that atheists are generally any more ""broken"" >than anybody else. Any cause and effect is likely to be the >other way. There is an emotional price to pay for being different, >hearing one's beliefs (or lack thereof) condemned, and one's >motives and character attacked. well, you do believe in something, as i see it, even if it is a sort of ""anti-belief"" (no negative connotation meant; i mean simply that you believe that God _does not_ exist). christians can also feel that sense of ""difference"", however, when they are associated with ""those weird televangelists who always talk about satan"". if you'll excuse the cliched sound of this, everyone has to deal with his/ her differences from other people. i can understand how being an atheist could be hard for you; being a christian is sometimes hard for me. >I became an atheist when I got old enough to reason because there >was just no good reason to believe the religion I had been taught. >This was very painful because of the pressure I was placed under by >my family and friends. I wanted to fit in, believe, and be accepted. >I tried, but finally the cognitive dissonance was just too great. you should not have to repress how you feel -- you should be able to discuss it without fear. i think there are admirable things to learn from any belief, which can enrich your own -- by asking myself the questions that atheists may ask me, i can learn the answers and become stronger in my faith. if my faith can't support knowing the answers to those questions, it is weak and untrue. >I have sympathy for gays growing up in repressive environments and >having to hide and sometimes at first try to deny a part of themselves >because I've been there. Only in my case it was my rationality instead >of sexuality which I was forced to try to repress. in some way the pressures were different, of course, because you ""chose"" your beliefs -- or are you saying that they were not your choice, but born of necessity? [please, no flames about whether or not gay people ""choose"" their lifestyle -- that's elsewhere in this newsgroup] > I must say that I >wasn't hurt by my experiences in church any more than some of my friends >who didn't become atheists. I was just hurt differently. i'm not sure i understand this sentence -- could you explain? [moderator points out that many/ most atheists aren't ""hostile"", they just cease believiing in xiantiy/ religion] >True. Consider also that people like Pat Robertson and many of the >Christian extremists in soc.religion.christianity naturally evoke >hostility by their attacks on anyone who disagrees and their attempts >to force their views on others. You are known by the company you keep. >Christians trying to preach in alt.atheism should not be surprised by >hostility. ouch, yes. part of being a christian is accepting _everyone_ with an open heart -- including people of ""our own camp"" with whom we completely disagree. by the same token, i believe that accusation and suspicion are not the best way to reach out to those not of our faith, nor is it effective to try to browbeat people into accepting our religion. i have a different idea of mission: be what i am, a christian who is happy in her faith, and if others see that and want to know about either the happiness or the religion, i'll share what i know without pressure and let them make their own decisions. at some point you just have to agree to disagree -- acceptance of diversity, not uniformity, is the way to sow peace.... >Bill Mayne vera noyes ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ******************************************************************************* " 10209,14,"From: urf@icl.se (Urban F) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Nntp-Posting-Host: sw2001 Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself. X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson@swe2001.wins.icl.co.uk Lines: 14 Leigh Palmer writes: > I feel sure >that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to >see it. Has anyone out there seen it? I've seen a film of it, my memory may be faulty, but as I remember it the vehicle was slightly over a meter long, with a thick baseplate 30-40 cm in diameter. I think the narrative said it was propelled by dynamite sticks. There were four detonations within about 2 s, the second coming after about 2 m of flight in. Max altitude seemed to be on the order of 50 m, but that is hard to judge. -- Urban Fredriksson urf@icl.se " 10210,2,"From: yeoy@a.cs.okstate.edu (YEO YEK CHONG) Subject: Re: Is ""Kermit"" available for Windows 3.0/3.1? Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 7 From article , by Steve Frampton : > I was wondering, is the ""Kermit"" package (the actual package, not a Yes! In the usual ftp sites. Yek CHong " 10211,5,"From: mppa3@syma.SUssex.ac.UK (Alan Richardson) Subject: Now available: xvertext.4.0 Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 25 To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu Now available: xvertext 4.0 -------------- Summary ------- xvertext provides you with four functions to draw strings at any angle in an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text). Rotation is still achieved using XImages, but the notion of rotating a whole font first has been dropped. What's new? ----------- I've added a cache which keeps a copy of previously rotated strings - thus speeding up redraws. Where can I get it? ------------------- comp.sources.x (soon...) export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.4.0.shar.Z (now) -- Alan Richardson, * ""You don't have to be * School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise"" * Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest***** UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk " 10212,8,"From: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) Subject: Shipping a bike Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco to Seattle? And how much might it cost? I remember a thread on shipping. If someone saved the instructions on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email. Thanks, Manish " 10213,6,"From: olds@helix.nih.gov (James Olds) Subject: Thule roof rack with bike accessories: $100 take it all. Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda Distribution: na Lines: 11 For Sale: A Thule Car rack with 2 bike holder accessories. Comes with Nissan Pathfinder brackets but you can buy the appropriate ones for your car cheap. Looking for $100.00 for everything. I live in the Bethesda area. Thanks for your interest. -- **************************************************************************** * James L. Olds Ph.D. Neural Systems Section * * domain: olds@helix.nih.gov NINDS, NIH, Bethesda, MD. 20892 USA * **************************************************************************** " 10214,8,"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: usa Lines: 32 In article <3102@shaman.wv.tek.com> harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes: >>>> As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but [...] >>>let my current membership lapse when it's up for renewal. >>[...] hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. > >Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal >driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart >and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships. You're obviously not referring to any of the three above-quoted individuals, because barnacles don't each send $20 to the crew of the ship to keep it moving. ""Get the organization to act on it"" is easy to say, but says little about what one really can and should do. What the organization actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors, as far as I can see. That's what makes it so important to vote in an election of officers. It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C organizations. Should we change this? Or just join the other groups that already are in politics? (Incidentally, the political hazards to motorcycle riders in the US at the moment don't compare to the problems of some other groups like gun owners. Just try to take up target pistol shooting in the Northeast or California, and I bet you'll wish you only had to worry about wearing a helmet. (Why does every thread on rec.moto eventually come around to guns?)) -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) " 10215,1,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Fonts in POV?? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 57 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Keywords: fonts, raytrace In article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au>, g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) writes: |> |> |> I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it |> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. |> The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with |> them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? |> Hi Noel, I've made some attempts to write a converter that reads Adobe Type 1 fonts, triangulates them, bevelizes them and extrudes them to result in a generic 3d object which could be used with PoV f.i. The problem I'm currently stuck on is that theres no algorithm which triangulates any arbitrary polygonal shape. Delaunay seems to be limited to convex hulls. Constrained delaunay may be okay, but I have no code example of how to do it. Another way to do the bartman may be - TGA2POV - A selfmade variation of this, using heightfields. Create a b/w picture (BIG) of the text you need, f.i. using a PostScript previewer. Then, use this as a heightfield. If it is white on black, the heightfield is exactly the images white parts (it's still open on the backside). To close it, mirror it and compound it with the original. Example: object { union { height_field { gif ""abp2.gif"" } height_field { gif ""abp2.gif"" scale <1 -1 1>} } texture { Glass } translate <-0.5 0 -0.5> //center rotate <-90 0 0> // rotate upwards scale <10 5 100> // scale bigger and thicker translate <0 2 0> // final placement } abp2.gif is a GIF of arbitrary size containing ""ABP"" black on white in Times-Roman 256 points. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 10216,9,"From: craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 37 Dale Stephenson (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) wrote: : In steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: : >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career : >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of : >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. : And some comments, with some players deleted. : >Third Basemen : >------------- : >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 : Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short. : >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 : This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average. : His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of : that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the : Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and : judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play : third. Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan, I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Lots of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome. It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football even when it's snowing and raining. -Craig I'm sure the company for which I work does not have all the same opinions that I do... " 10217,13,"From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) Subject: Re: Lyme vaccine Organization: College of Veterinary Medicine WSU X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 45 kathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote: > My nearly-13 year old Pomeranian had a nasty reaction to this vaccination. > ... Suffice it to say, we will not > vaccinate her for Lyme disease again. She's been camping through some 6 > states and has backpacked with us as well and we are used to watching for ticks > and dealing with them and we simply won't take her to really active Lyme > disease areas.... Not to drag this out anymore, but.... Many veterinarians feel that Lyme Disease in dogs is so easy to treat that in an endemic area, they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs presenting with lameness, swollen joints, +/- fever. A recent paper (March 1993) has finally established that Lyme disease in dogs can be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting. This has been an ellusive matter for researchers, and is one of the fundamental requirements for many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease. Up to now, only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to ""prove"" that the disease exists. This paper is noteworthy in two other regards: 1) None of the animals they infected were treated in any way. The dogs had episodes of lameness during a 6-8 week period which occurred 2-5 months after exposure. After this period, none showed any further clinical signs up to the 17 month observation period of the study. So these are proven, clinically sick Lyme patients showing spontaneous recovery without the benefit of drug treatment. Of course, observations longer than 17 months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesn't have the same chronicity that some see in humans. 2) The addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the vaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine. Of course, they want the world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine efficacy. Anyway, maybe we will see some independent, scientifically sound evaluations of this vaccine in the next year or so. -- Jeff Parke also: jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet AOL: JeffParke Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994 Pullman, WA 99164-7012 " 10218,9,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Phillies: A New Ballpark in Future? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In a Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, it was reported that there were two (2) plans for a new Phillies stadium: the already-mentioned 30th Street Station proposal, and a location near Broad Street and Race Street, I think. I can't remember the exact details, but the stadium would be build practically downtown. There is a small lot that could be used, according to the paper. The 30th street plan has run into some trouble, because Amtrak does not want to reroute some of its lines in order to accomodate the stadium. I don't have an opinion just yet, just letting everyone know that there are really two options being discussed right now. Neither of these plans will be put into effect very soon, however, because nobody wants to pay for it :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 10219,7,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile magazines ""automobile of the year"" award, and are quiet impressive. " 10220,6,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Noel B. Lorenzana Subject: More comics for sale! Lines: 48 Miscellaneous comics for sale. I really would like to get rid of these for lack of space. Buyer pays shipping, and all offers considered. OH, and the first purchase over $20 in any of my posts gets a free Maxx #1/2 coupon, or a trashed copy of Amazing spidey #300. Here goes... Deathlok #1 $3.00 2-17 $1.75 each Annual #1 2.50 Special #1 2.00 Sleepwalker 1,2,6,8,9,13 7.00 (set) or 1.25 each Next Men #1 $3.00 Ray #1 1.00 Deathstroke 5,6 1.75 each Darkhawk 13 1.25 New warrior's 18 1.00 Fantasti Four 358 2.50 Moon Knight 35,36 1.75 each Hulk 386-388 1.50 each Punisher W.Z. 1 2.50 Cage 1 1.50 X-force 1 2.00 Silver Sable 1 2.00 X-calibur 26,27,48,49 1.50 each Hearts of Darkness 5.00 Infinity Guantlet 1-4 2.50 each Batman v. Pred. 1,3 2.00 each "" "" "" (deluxe) 1 5.00 Guardians of the Galaxy 1 3.00 Spider-man 2099 1-3 5.00 (set) Spec. spider-man 189 3.00 (special hologram) Let me know if you'd like to buy anything. My address is U38134@uicvm.uic.edu Thanks, Noel Lorenzana " 10221,10,"Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Re: @#$%! I was right in the first place!!! Lines: 53 In article , vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) says: > >In <93107.091503RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: > >>2-Red Wings vs. 3-Maple Leafs Maple Leafs in 6 > >> Comment : It's kind of tough to rely on Yzerman as the team's main weapon. >> He's a great palyer, but Dino knows all about choking, which >> puts the burden on Steve even more. Potvin's had a hell of a >> season and goaltending is what you need in the playoffs. > >For a great prognosticator:), you seem to remember very little playoff >history. Dino always shows up in the playoffs, which is why he is a >great ""sleeper"" pick in pools. Don't forget about Fedorov, one of the >top players in the NHL, IMHO, and Coffey who has the most Stanley Cup >rings of any active players (correct me if I'm wrong). Wings in a >cakewalk. Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick Division? He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in the second round two years ago. He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the division. >>1-Canucks vs. 4-Jets Canucks in 5 > >> Comment : It's more like Vancouver vs. Selanne. King and Domi (for >> enforcing) help Winnipeg out a little, maybe a game. Canucks >> have their number. > >Except that the Canuck are playing like shit. Winnipeg can win this >one, though I think Vancouver will manage to slip by. So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out. Vancouver has Winnipeg's number, so it really doesn't matter. >>2-Flames vs. 3-Kings Flames in 7 > >> Comment : 7 games looks good as the Kings always seem to battle it out. >> Flames are back in running and won't know memories of last year's >> season. Gretzky is on a tear, but there are too many ????? >> surrounding the Kings. >Kings ""always seem to battle it out""? When? Where? Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five game serious. There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance...""-DG '89 " 10222,14,"From: John Lussmyer Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Mystery Spot BBS Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org Lines: 12 henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > The first flight will be a low hover that will demonstrate a vertical > landing. There will be no payload. DC-X will never carry any kind Exactly when will the hover test be done, and will any of the TV networks carry it. I really want to see that... -- John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org) Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------?-- " 10223,17,"From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 17 In article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to >recognize the statement that these ""private funds"" were all tax exmpt. In >otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. Dammit, how did ArfArf's latest excretion escape my kill file? Oh, he changed sites. Again. *sigh* OK, I assume no other person on this planet will ever use the login name of arf. /arf@/aK:j -- Mike Van Pelt mvp@netcom.com ""... Local prohibitions cannot block advances in military and commercial technology.... Democratic movements for local restraint can only restrain the world's democracies, not the world as a whole."" -- K. Eric Drexler " 10224,3,"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: Quantum 240AT: is my cache working? Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 10 The Quantum LPS 240AT is supposed to have a 256K cache on the IDE controller built into the card. Yet when I do a DOS DIR command on my system, the disk is always accessed (I can hear the mechanical movement of the heads). Why is this happening? Strangely, even when I have smartdrive installed, every DIR command accesses the disk. Did I somehow de-activate the cache? This is happening on each of two machines with an LPS 240AT drive. -- Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com " 10225,11,"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 13 I am most embarassed that my irrate, intemperate post is still circulating. I have been chided by experts for my behavior. I now agree with all of them, although some were no more restrained in their speech than I was 8) I have apologized to Robin Hanson. Lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). " 10226,5,"From: ccdw@kudu.ru.ac.za (Dave Wilson) Subject: Xlib timeouts? Summary: How to do timeouts using Xlib Keywords: Xlib timeouts Article-I.D.: kudu.ccdw.735917051 Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Lines: 12 I am in the process of modifying an X application that uses Xlib. I'd like to include a timer-driven facility (for network polling), but cannot see how to do it using Xlib. I know it can be done with Xaw, using XtAppAddTimeout and XtTimerCallBackProc. How do I do the same using Xlib? Thanks for any help. Please email. -- Dave Wilson Computing Centre, Rhodes University Grahamstown, South Africa " 10227,2,"Subject: roman.bmp 01/14In response to the requests for cool bitmaps I am posting one. From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) Distribution: usa Organization: University of South Dakota Lines: 978 Due to the resolution and size it is in 14 parts. This is a uuencoded bitmap. 960X600 256 colors. The picture is a marbled gazebo on a desert with blue sky background. 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Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Distribution: na Lines: 6 When are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez? His 15 days on the DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? Thanks for any info. " 10229,2,"From: bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell) Subject: Wallpaper in Windows 3.1 Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Hi there, Is there any utility available that will make Windows randomly select one of your windows directory's .BMP files as the wallpaper file? Nate -------------------------- Nathan C. Crowell, Dept. of Materials Science/ACRL Worcester Polytechnic Institute E-mail: bigal@wpi.wpi.edu ""A flower?""-Genesis ""Supper's Ready"" -------------------------- " 10230,18,Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Re: Most recent U.N. members? Lines: 4 # 179 Czech Republic # 180 Republic of Slovakia They were admitted early this year. Liechenstein was also recently admitted. Also San Marino. Both within the last 12 months. Incredible what passes for a nation-sta state nowadays. 10231,3,"From: gregof@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Grego Filippo) Subject: Info wanted on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 9 Hi fellow netters, does anybody have any info on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB card: price, speed, compatibility with existing and up-comming softwares, performance compared to others cards ( is it an S3 based card ?).... Thank you.. " 10232,4,"From: Michael Robert Peck Subject: 800x600 video on a IIci? Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu What do I need to do to be able to run an NEC 3FGx in 800x 600 mode on my IIci? Can it be done with the right video card? If so, which video card? -Michael " 10233,3,"From: bobmon@cs.indiana.edu (Bob Montante) Subject: WANTED: bus card for Logitech Mouse Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr1.162131.4673 Expires: 5/15/1993 Distribution: na Organization: dyskaryotic Lines: 7 I've acquired an old Logitech Series 7 (3-button) mouse, and I'm told that this is a bus mouse. Does anyone want to unload an old (pc-clone) bus-card for this mouse? email replies to: bobmon@cs.indiana.edu thanks. " 10234,15,"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 14 [4) ""Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]"" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore, babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off from God and put in hell, which is exactly the doctrine of St. Augustine and St. Thomas. Of coures, having only original sins on thier souls, they suffer the lightest punishment, the loss of the vision oand presence of God, but that does not change the undeniable fact that they cannot possibly come to a forgivenss of original sin, nor can they inherit eternal life. ""That,"" as St. Augustine said, ""Is what the Pelagian heretics taught."" Which is why he said later, ""If you want to be a Christian, do not teach that unbaptized infants can come to a forgivenss of original sin.""] Doesn't the Bible say that God is a fair god? If this is true, how can this possibly be fair to the infants? " 10235,14,"From: Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) Subject: Re: Clementine mission name Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 22 > Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: > > Old pioneer song from the 1850's or so goes as follows: > > ""In a cavern, in a canyon, > Excavating for a mine, > Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, > And his daughter, CLEMENTINE"" > > Chorus: > ""Oh my darling, Oh my darling, > Oh my darling Clementine. > You are lost and gone forever, > Oh my darling Clementine."" Let us hope that the performance of the spacecraft follows the sentiments of the first verse (miner) rather than the second (lost and gone forever). -- Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca " 10236,4,"From: chairman@staff.tc.umn.edu (Gene Naftulyev) Subject: FOR SALE: Ethernet board / 24 bit Supermac Combo Article-I.D.: news2.C51oH4.42y Organization: U of M Lines: 26 X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 04:29:34 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-6.gw.umn.edu X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Gene's stuff for sale...NEW PRICES!!! The following items are for sale: Qty. Description List Price ________________________________________________________________________ 1 SuperMac ColorLink SX/T 24 bit NuBUS/10BASE-T 750.00 _549.00_ This card is primo! selling for $675 mailorder It suports monitors up to 19 in. with 28"" x 28"" virtual desktop. Accelerated, hardware pan, etc! This quick sale price includes free 2nd day air! 1 Seagate ST1480 430 meg 3.5 in HD 2 mo. old 989.00 675.00 NOTE: All hardware is in normal working order. Prices do NOT include shipping. All items shipped COD (USA) or pre-paid (anywhere) Sold: 1 IIsi NuBUS adapter card with FPU 189.00 _115.00_ For any items please contact: Gene Naftulyev chairman@staff.tc.umn.edu or call (612) 942-0134 " 10237,7,"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu In article Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes: >In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes: >The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never >gets to the wheels. In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual. only when the torque converter is not locked up. there are autos out there with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. >Dont forget that now that new 6 speed manual trannys are available the drive >train is more optimally geared to get the most out of the engine. rare.. so are 5 speed autos.. but very real. >Bottom line is both manuals and automatics have vastly improved. i think that automatics have advanced far more than manuals. especially in shift intelligence. i say that a smart automatic is better than the majority of drivers in terms of being in the right gear at the right time, which to me is more important than torque converter losses. >I prefer the stick for fun and the auto for traffic. who says you can't have your cake and eat it too? a well designed shifter will easily facilitate manual, clutchless shifts. i am referring to the much copied mercedes jagged gate. the only department where you lose out is in the number of ratios available, and of course the converter losses.. if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission, it can't be half bad.. :-) eliot " 10238,12,"From: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: NeXT cube board monitor cable ? Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 8 Reply-To: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu Hi all! Quick question. Could someone please send me a pinout of the cable that goes between a NeXT cube and the monitor? Also, I am interested in the video signal (sync type, horz/vert rate) so any information on that would be greatly appreciated also. Thanks! Ryan Brooks ryan@agnus.mcs.mu.edu " 10239,19,From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 11 In article keng@den.mmc.com (Ken Garrido) writes: [lotsa stuff taken out] Bottom line: due process was not served. No peaceful attempt to serve a warrant occurred. Think on that. royc 10240,5,"From: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) Subject: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Organization: The Internet Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me with XOpenWindow? I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this true? Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? Environment: AIXwindows X11R4 Motif 1.1 GL is available AIX Sys V 3.2 IBM RS/6000 360 Thanks in advance. Jay Graham Jade Simulations International Corp. 14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150 Nepean, Ontario, Canada 613-225-5900 x226 graham@ottawa.jade.com " 10241,3,"From: v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) Subject: Thanks! (Backing Up Masters) Keywords: Misled, Confused, Advice, Comprendo! Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Just a quick THANKS to the many who explained the backing up of my masters. Apparently they are NOT copy-protected; I just used a program that is unable to handle high-density (old shit). I was surprised to hear that ""NO programs on high-density disks have copy protection,"" which someone back there said. Huh! Learn something new every day! - Mitch " 10242,11,"From: jgk@osc.COM (Joe Keane) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Summary: Encrypted data looks random. Keywords: entropy Reply-To: Joe Keane Organization: Versant Object Technology Lines: 47 Weather: mostly cloudy, high 64, low 49 Moon-Phase: waxing gibbous (99% of full) In article <1993Apr2.050451.7866@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel) writes: >How about this. I create a bunch of sets of random data, and encrypt it. I >keep only one of the sets of random data around, to show that I encypt random >data for kicks. The rest, I delete with their keys. I tell all my friends. >I think this establishes reasonable doubt about the contents of any encrypted >files, and my ability to provides keys. Since anyone could do this, any law >that forces a user to provide keys on demand is worthless. The law is much worse than worthless. It gives police the power to put innocent people in jail because they (the police) find something they don't understand. Most police don't know what the return key does, never mind the difference between a core file and classified military secrets. There are plenty of scenarios where the user would have no idea what something is either. It could be uninitialized junk. The burden of proof is on the user to show that it's something a normal upstanding citizen should have. No one should ever be put in that situation, especially in America. What's disgusting about this is how easily most people go along with it, to provide a bargaining chip against some hypothetical *alleged* child molester or drug dealer, or whatever bad thing is in style at the time. Basically most people don't have a clear distinction between criminals and suspects. As an analogy, it's like they find a loose screw in your house, and they insist that you're building a bomb or machine gun. They ask you where it came from (like you'd know), and ask you to prove your claim. When you explain it in such simple terms, people may start to get the idea. As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is, without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need. If you think about it, there's no point in actually encrypting random data, because it just gives you different random data. If you want some data to look like an encrypted file, you just put an appropriate header on it. If enough people do this, some of them will be put in jail. When you get arrested and the police ask for your keys, you can tell them it's just random junk, although of course they won't believe you. While you're sitting in jail, you can take consolation in the fact that the government will burn a few CPU-years trying to find something that's not there. -- Joe Keane, amateur cryptologist jgk@osc.com (uunet!amdcad!osc!jgk) " 10243,4,"From: blob@apple.com (Brian Bechtel) Subject: Re: Drivers for CD-ROM Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com sakelley@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Scott Kelley) writes: >Does anybody know where I could find a driver for a Future Echo >Infomasster [sic] CDE 600 CD-ROM drive? A friend is running this drive >off of a PC and would like to use it on the mac. Here are some contacts for generic CD-ROM drivers: Optical Access International 800 West Cummings Park, Suite 2050 Woburn MA 01801 (617) 937-3910 (617) 937-3950 fax AppleLink: OAI FWB, Inc. 2040 Polk Street, Suite 215 San Francisco, CA 94109 (415) 474-8055 (415) 775-2125 fax AppleLink: FWB Optical Media International 180 Knowles Drive Los Gatos, CA 95030 (408) 376-3511 (408) 376-3519 fax AppleLink: OMI Trantor Systems (for Intel architecture machines) 5415 Randall Place Fremont, CA 94538 (415) 770-1400 AppleLink: TRANTOR Software Architects (not verified) 11812 North Creek Parkway N. Suite 202 Bothell, WA 98011 AppleLink: SOFTARCH.DEV > Casa Blanca Works(not verified) > 415-461-2227 > Applelink: CBWorks To send a message to someone on AppleLink, use the form address@applelink.apple.com where ""address"" is replaced by the appropriate applelink address. --Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com ""My opinion, not Apple's"" " 10244,5,"From: hoang1@litwin.com (Ted Hoang) Subject: Wcl 2.02 Organization: Litwin Process Automation Lines: 17 Hi, I have a problem when compiled Wcl 2.02 in SCO ODT 2.0: cc -c -Ox -I.. -I/usr/include Xt4GetResL.c Xt4GetResL.c Xt4GetResL.c(47) : error C2065: '_XtConstraintBit' : undefined *** Error code 1 Although I follow the instructions in file README_BUILD to build Wcl in SCO platform, this problem didn't resolve. So I have some questions related to this matter: 1. Does _XtConstraintBit exist in SCO ODT 2.0? ( Does _XtConstraintBit use in X11R3 & X11R4? And What release does SCO ODT 2.0 use, X11R3 or X11R4?) 2. If not, Does someone know how to work around? " 10245,4,"From: fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin) Subject: Re: Put ex. syquest in Centris 610? Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Lines: 54 I've just installed a 5.25"" tape backup in my C610; lot of the issues are the same. So, to answer your questions... In article <1993Apr16.141820.1@cstp.umkc.edu> kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu writes: > My PLI 80M syquest drive has a wire from the > drive to an id# switch on the outside of the case. Where do I connect > this switch?? Can the computer just ""tell"" with internal drives? You probably want to hard-wire the SCSI ID with shorting jumpers. Put it at a convenient number like ""1"". You *could* cut a hole in the back of the machine to route the ID switch, but why go through the hassle? You probably won't be needing to frequently change the ID of your internal drive. > I noticed that the drive will lay over part of the motherboard (I >didn't look closely, but I seem to recall it laying over the ram that's >soldered onto the motherboard? Would that cause problems? Yeah, when I first installed the tape drive I was a little concerned too. But it's no problem, the device is designed to fit just fine with the overhang. It shouldn't reach back beyond the ROM/RAM/VRAM SIMMs, though. > One last question! Is there anywhere to order a faceplate cover? >the drive's front panel is smaller than the space left in the case (the >drive's panel is the same size as the spotsBM clone's cases). Should I just >cut a hole in the plastic panel that is currently holding tmpty place? You can special-order parts to mount the device from your local Apple dealer. The relevant parts are: 922-0358 blank bezel faceplate 922-0850 CD-ROM carrier [i.e., generic 5.25"" device mounting bracket] Note Apple's unfortunate choice of name for the slide-in bracket to mount a 5.25"" device. The service techs I talked to said, ""Oh sure, we stock those."" Of course they were thinking of the CD caddies to hold a CD disk when you stick it in the drive. As far as I can tell, Apple does not sell a bezel faceplate already cut out for a standard 5.25"" device. (Why not? They advertise these machines as being able to accept any standard device in the 5.25"" bay, why not provide the faceplate?) They do sell a cutout for their CD-ROM drive (of course), but that's of no use. I'm going to hack up the extra bezel I ordered to make a cutout for my tape drive, which is a standard 5.25"" device. Good luck with your SyQuest. -Fred " 10246,0,"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: note to Bobby M. Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 14 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In <1993Apr10.191100.16094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >Insults about the atheistic genocide was totally unintentional. Under >atheism, anything can happen, good or bad, including genocide. And you know why this is? Because you've conveniently _defined_ a theist as someone who can do no wrong, and you've _defined_ people who do wrong as atheists. The above statement is circular (not to mention bigoting), and, as such, has no value. -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. " 10247,10,"From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) Subject: 1992 - 1993 FINAL NHL PLAYER STATS Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 8 If you are interested in receiving the final player stats for the 1992-1993 NHL Season as well as playoff box scores, stats and scores/updates... then e-mail my stat server mmilitzo@skidmore.edu the subject of the message must be: STATS " 10248,11,"From: random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: presto!random@uunet.uu.net <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com> Distribution: na X-Newsreader: Arn V1.01 Lines: 16 Organization: I'm Just Me. In article <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>, Al Donaldson writes: > Unrelated question...isn't the term ""Clipper,"" as neat as it is, > already taken by Intergraph? > Yes, ""Clipper"" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used in some of thier workstations. I wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier name sake? -- // Jeff Hyche -There Can Be Only One- \\ // presto!random@uunet.uu.net \X/ " 10249,12,"From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin) Subject: Re: electronic parts in NYC? Organization: Why me? Lines: 19 Taft Electronics, 45th Street between 5th & 6th -- the only one left in what was once an entire district of electronics stores. A little expensive. Trans-Am Electronics, Canal Street near 7th Ave -- lots of surplus type stuff. Several other electronics or ""surplus"" type places are still on Canal Street. I think Bronx Wholesale Radio is still in business -- Fordham Road not too far from Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. Also in the Bronx is NorthEastern (or was it Northwestern? Northeast Electronics?) on Jerome Avenue near Bedford Park Boulevard. They're mostly a TV parts supply house, but when I was building CB radio projects, they were quite handy.. -- Ed Ravin | ""A TV cop fires a gun three times an hour. A real cop Prodigy Services Co. | fires a gun only once every five years."" White Plains, NY 10601 |------------d i s c l a i m e r - w a s - h e r e ----- +1-914-993-4737 | elr@trintex.uucp or elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net " 10250,6,"From: chenmin@sage.cc.purdue.edu (zhang chenmin) Subject: Cheap airline ticket to L.A. wanted Keywords: airline, ticket, wanted Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 7 Cheap airline ticket to L.A. on April. 21 (tuesday) from Indi. or Chicago and return about in 10 - 14 days wanted. Please phone (317) - 743 - 6985 or mail to chenmin@sage.cc.purdue.edu " 10251,9,"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: blue.8007 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 81 mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >>> >>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact >>>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. >> >>Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we >>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our >>decisions on. > >Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really? I don't personally, but Clay just posted it. Yes, we do. Unfortunately, it shows that Lopez wasn't as good an example as Nieves would have been, since his last year numbers were out of line with the previous years (which I didn't have access to). The point remains, though; knowing a guy's minor league history is as good as knowing his major league history, if you know how to read it. >>Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after >>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an >>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. > >I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or >exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about >1993, you know. The MLE is not a *projection*, it's an *equivalence*. It's a ""this is how well he hit *last* year, in major league terms"" rating. So, in essence, he has *already* reached it. I would guess (Bob? Clay?) that essentially half of all players surpass their previous MLEs in their rookie seasons. Maybe more than half, since all of these players are young and improving. >If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting >acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price >that season. Did they? Offerman may have been the difference between 4th or 5th place and last place, but no more. >Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road. >Do you really think they would have done what they did if they >were competing for a pennant? Sure; they didn't have anyone better. I suppose they might have gutted the farm system to acquire Jay Bell or Spike Owen or somebody if they were really in contention. >>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he >>hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager >>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him >>down ""until he gets warmed up"". > >For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring >training. If you'd read what I wrote, you'd be less amazed. Nowhere do I claim to put any credence in spring training. Quite the contrary; I said that Lopez hadn't done anything that even the bozos who *do* put credence in spring training could interpret as ""failure"". Just because I think spring training numbers are meaningless doesn't mean that Bobby Cox does; it's just a case of ruling out one possible explanation for sending Lopez down. >>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, >> >>Just like Keith Mitchell did? > >Wait a minute. I missed something here. Keith Mitchell did very very well at AA, AAA, and the majors over a season, then did very, very poorly for a year in AAA. -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands " 10252,18,"From: nickn@eskimo.com (Nick Nussbaum) Subject: Re: Debating special ""hate crimes"" laws (was How many homosexuals...) Organization: Eskimo North (206) 367-3837 {eskimo.com} Lines: 68 In article <1pmrakINNpun@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: > >> > If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault >> > and battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a >> > sort of double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> > [Douglas Meier] >> >> Assuming the questions are not rhetorical, the answers are: >> >> () To deter an epidemic of ""gay bashing"" that has not been deterred by >> assault laws. >> () No, it is not ""double jeopardy."" A single act may lead to multiple >> charges and multiple crimes. >> () Yes. > >Let's leave aside the personal-insult potential that Doug created by >asking his last question and just concentrate on the legal/political >debate... Last point first: yes, a single act may lead to multiple, >independent charges. However, as a side note, I _think_ that the >prohibition on double jeopardy mandates that the suspect be tried on all >those charges at the same time, in the same trial. (Unless, of course, >the government can pull the ""separate sovereignties"" crock that they're >using on those four LAPD cops who arrested Rodney King, i.e. trying a >person who's already been acquitted in state court on federal charges >arising from the same act... _I_ think that this is double jeopardy but >apparently the courts don't agree with me.) Note that the laws that don't agree with you were passed to protect a class of people who couldn't get justice from the state courts; specifically civil rights workers in Missisippi in the 60's. The federal protection of individual rights supersedes the non-feasance of the state. Something similar has long been traditional ( well he's queer so I beat him up...) for gays > >You pays your money and you takes your pick... me, I lean strongly >towards the ""against"" argument. I know that having the law treat >everyone as equals, regardless of realities, will not in and of itself >lead to true equality, and in fact may lead, at times, towards greater >inequality. Nonetheless, I believe that true equality is at least >_possible_ when the laws treat people as being equal, while true >equality is, by definition, _impossible_ when the laws themselves >mandate unequal treatment of classes of people by the state. > >-- William December Starr > As Anatole France said; ""The law in its impartial majesty forbids the rich as well as the poor from sleeping under bridges."" Equality of law can be construed in any number of ways. For example the fact that all property thefts, regardless of value, are not punished equally is an inequality which protects those who have a lot of money from having it stolen. You could easily define equality to regard the property in terms of it's significance for the owner. This would a form of equality that would be skewed toward poorer people. In fact, most anti-gay bashing laws are constructed to offer equal protection. They make it an offense to damage people based on a motivation of hatred for sexual orientation. Thus the law in its impartial majesty protects hets as well as gays from being bashed. I'm sure that's a great relief to Douglas Meier. -- Nick Nussbaum nickn@eskimo.com PO 4738 Seattle,WA 98104 " 10253,3,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Please help identify video hardware Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqep5INN88e Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. Please email and or post any leads.... Gordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com) " 10254,9,From: marty@howdy.wustl.edu (Marty Olevitch) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Nntp-Posting-Host: howdy Organization: Washington U. Physics Dept Lines: 3 Bo Bilinsky? 10255,13,"From: szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) Subject: Re: prozac Organization: Carleton University Lines: 14 In agilmet@eis.calstate.edu (Adriana Gilmete) writes: >Can anyone help me find any information on the drug Prozac? I am writing >a report on the inventors , Eli Lilly and Co., and the product. I need as >much help as I can get. Thanks a lot, Adriana Gilmete. PDR and CPS are good places to starts. do a medline search... lots of interesting debates going on (remember when Prozac was impicated in suicidal behaviour?) steve z " 10256,11,"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Subject: Re: The Escrow Database. Nntp-Posting-Host: castor.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.021846.2423@shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > >each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very >valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who >cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my >pocket on two 8mm tapes. Excellent point, and there's a related point I'd like to make. They'll have to back up these databases themselves, won't they? How many tape copies will there be, and how secure will the tapes be? If they store them off-site, it wouldn't be too hard to hijack them in transit. If they're all kept on-site, one good bomb attack by some group intent on freeing us from the threat of government snooping will take care of the problem once and for all. I can see it now -- ""Hi, we're from the government and we, um, misplaced our copy of your key. Could you mail us a copy?"" " 10257,16,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: ""militia"" (incredibly long) Lines: 47 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: >In article <1qna9m$nq8@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >-> >-> Again, my response is, ""so what?"" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since >-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support >-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from >-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the >-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it. > >No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was ""a little bit >and an anachronism."" These prohibiting laws are examples why the are >an anachronism. After all, laws in made by representatives of the >people. These representatives of the people have already decided >that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some >cases. Since these representatives feel an unconditional >interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority >of the people feel the same way. If this is so, it is an example >of the people using their power of government. If this is not >how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes. I'll point out that the whole point of the difficult amendment process was to require a super-majority to change the Supreme Law, making it impossible for a ""majority"" of the people to simply change the law on a whim. Simply changing the meaning based on ""the representatives"" of the people effectively destroys the amendment process. The State's, you know, are also entitled to a say under that process. >> Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the >-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated >-> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a >-> number of times. > >No, I simple stated that the people have a right to ""join a well >organized militia."" I'll note that that right could be considered protected under the first amendment's protection of peaceful assembly. Unless you would consider a militia inherently non-peaceful, then they've stated the same thing twice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 10258,3,"From: neil@stone.oz.au (Neil Watkinson) Subject: COM3 COM4 is there a hardware standard ? Organization: Stone Microsystems, NSW, Australia Keywords: COM3 COM4 Lines: 19 Help.... I need to implement COM3 and COM4 on a board that I'm designing and I'm finding it dificult to track down a definition (hardware that is) of COM3 and COM4. I have the IO adresses and the fact that COM3 shares IRQ4 with COM1 and COM4 shares IRQ3 with COM2, except exactly how this IRQ sharing is done is not clear especially if the existing COM1/2 does not allow IRQ sharing. Does the standard??? allow for a different IRQ to be used and if so how. Please answer by email to :- neil@stone.oz.au thanks in advance Neil Watkinson. " 10259,9,"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Militello update Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 22 HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who've been knocking my prediction of Baltimore. You flooded my mailbox with cries of ""Militello's good, Militello's good."" Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing. He's not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? Please don't tell me you're relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the *fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. As for the O's, it's still early. See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu " 10260,4,"From: lord@andersen.com (Bob Lord) Subject: Re: Duo Dock problems Organization: Andersen Consulting -- CSTaR Lines: 37 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: grant.cstar.andersen.com In phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) writes: >Has anyone had any problems with their Duo Dock not ejecting the Duo >properly? >When I first got it, the Duo would come out of the Dock a couple of inches >when ejected, and I had to pull it the rest of the way. Nowadays (and I've >had the system for 4 months), the Duo doesn't come out *at* *all* - despite >the fact that the mechanism makes all the appropriate noises, and I have to >grab hold of it and pull it out myself. Is there a simple fix for this, or >do I have to return it to my Apple Dealer, where it will languish for weeks >while I have to make do with no colour display, no VRAM, no floppy or >SCSI etc. >(BTW, it's not that the Duo is locked into the Dock - it just doesn't >want to slide out any more). >-- >Phil Jimmieson, *********************************************** >Computer Science Dept., * JANET : phil@uk.ac.liv.csc * >Liverpool University, * INTERNET : phil@csc.liv.ac.uk * >PO Box 147 *********************************************** >Liverpool L69 3BX ""I was head over heels in love until I got cramp"" >(UK) 051-794-3689 Also, has anyone heard any rumors that the new docks (the ones with the CPU :-) will be better designed that this first batch? I love my Duo, but installing cards in the dock is not much fun. -Bob -- Bob Lord 100 South Wacker Room 932 Network Manager Chicago IL, 60606 CSTaR Group, Andersen Consulting 312-507-5353 lord@andersen.com " 10261,6,"From: bwee@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Boon-khim Wee) Subject: Looking for Battletech Games on PC Distribution: y Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Keywords: btech Lines: 9 I am interested in both the battletech games for the ibm pc. I will be grateful to anymore with information. Please email me if you would like to do my transaction. Thank you.! " 10262,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Article-I.D.: rwing.2088 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr20.161838.13213@coop.com> felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo) writes: If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...] < BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe <>this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed <>this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights <>under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades <>have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the <>Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it <>isn't too late allready. < Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... Lines: 5 Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting Duke. " 10265,4,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: What is ""ROM accelerated video""? Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 18 In <1qknuq$9ut@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3jl@web-4f.berkeley.edu (James Wang) writes: >addressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster >since the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one. Even the 68000 can fetch two bytes at a time. The new instruction in the 68040 is MOVE16 which fetches 16 bytes at a time instead of 4 which the 68030 has; that means 4 24bit pixels instead of one. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This article printed on 100% recycled electrons. " 10266,14,"From: pmolloy@microwave.msfc.nasa.gov (G. Patrick Molloy) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.30.103 Reply-To: pmolloy@microwave.msfc.nasa.gov (G. Patrick Molloy) Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral > exploration. > > Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.. > You think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality. > > There is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so > expensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or > tax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends > of mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of > the mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there > normal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and > other expenses you can owe more than what you made. > BAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe > 600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And > the only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks.. > > Basically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go > cause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the > eco-freaks or the protectionist.. > Such fun we have in these interesting times.. > > == > Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked The current mining regulations and fees were set in the 1800's! What the so-called ""eco-freaks"" want to do is to simply bring those fees in line with current economic reality. Currently, mining companies can get access to minerals on public lands for ridiculously low prices -- something like $50! The mining lobby has for decades managed to block any reform of these outdated fees. In fact, the latest attempt to reform them was again blocked -- President Clinton ""compromised"" by taking the mining fee reforms out of his '94 budget, and plans to draft separate legislation to fight that battle. If you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take this to talk.environment. G. Patrick Molloy Huntsville, Alabama " 10267,18,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Car Lines: 137 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr14.195912.16613@grace.rt.cs.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com (Richard Wojcik) writes: >In article 734629856@misty, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes: >>papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: >> >>]I'm not. I'm in Canada. We have far fewer shootings like this. We have >>]had, I believe, one mass murder in the last twenty years. >> >>]I'm not going to say we don't have our gun problems. But we do have the >>]world's largest undefended boarder with one of the most gun-happy countries >>]in the world. I think Canada illustrates that gun control does have an >>]effect. In fact, it's suprising that there is any difference considering >>]how easy it is to smuggle a gun from the U.S. >> >>Yes, it's amazing, isn't it. In fact, it should tell you that gun control >>is NOT the reason your crime rate is low, since any idiot can smuggle guns >>into Canada from the US at any time. > >I think Paul was trying to make the point that ""any idiot"" doesn't. There are >surely some idiots who do smuggle guns, but Paul seems to feel that the exis- >tence of stricter gun control laws has had a deterrent effect. This seems a strange argument to make considering that Canada's violent crime rate in general is far lower than that of the U.S. (Our non-gun crime rate is greater than their *entire* crime rate). It would seem strange to suggest that it, to, were the result of gun control laws. I think if we looked we'd find very specific (cultural and enforcement) reasons why the non-gun rate is low as well, and then that reasons could be applied to the with-gun rates as easily. >Given that most >criminally used guns are either legally purchased or stolen from those who >purchase them legally, having more restrictions on legal possession does >seem to have the effect of reducing gun-related crimes. Aside from the fact that I find the idea of being punished because somebody might steal something from me and go and commit a crime with it a silly solution, it still doesn't address the question of Canada. (Which is now, by the way, blaming their rising gun-crime rate on the U.S. Strange that the border used to ""magically"" keep the guns out, but now isn't.) >It certainly makes >sense that it would. (Well, it makes sense to some of us, anyway. ;-) The other side of the coin, of course, is that far ""illegal drugs"" are purchases legally or stolen from people who purchase them legally. I've still not been convinced that guns, a commodity which criminals have shown their perfectly willing to pay for from illegal sources (stolen either from police, military, or civilian) we wouldn't simply see South American sources from which drugs come start smuggling guns as well, since there's a thriving gun manufacturing industry down there. >>If you would just look a little closer at the crime statistics, you would >>realize that: >> -our non-gun crime rate is also very high, so guns per se are not the issue > >Directly contradicted by the NEJM study that compared crime in Seattle and >Vancouver, B.C. The non-gun rates were roughly the same for both cities. The >difference in violent crime rates was almost totally gun-related. And as was not pointed out in the study, but in critiques of it, (two seperate articles by James Wright and David Kopel come to mind) it was pointed out that the difference was *also* almost entirely minority related. That is, the gun crime rate skyrocketed for poor minorities (Blacks and Hispanics primarily) while when you compared the white majority they were virutally identical. The problem with the NEJM study was they compared minority vs. non-minority percentages but failed to take into account the relative conditions of those minorities. That there was an eqaul percentage of nomn-whites was about as far as they went. They failed to take into account that the non-whites in either city were not living in the same conditions. If the situation was entirely based on availability of guns, then we'd expect that the white rates, the two groups which are arguably fairly comparative in the two cities, would have a far higher rate in Seattle. Yet the majority in Seattle is not only not significantly higher when the minorities are excluded, but slightly lower. >> -violent crime is highly concentrated in the inner city > >Surprise. Pick the area with the highest incidence of poverty, drug use, disease, >etc. Since rates are lower in suburbia, us middle class folks can ignore the >problem. The point is, of course, that many of the U.S. ""inner-city"" problems are not mirrored in Canada. As such if there is a condition which is significantly different in Canada from the U.S., and violent crime is highly correlated to that area, suggesting that gun control is the source of Canada's low rate is highly questionable. (As one Canadian pointed out on talk.politics.guns, Canada's major gun control in 1978 did not result in either a reduction or a slowing of an increase in violent crime rates, which have been rising steadily since. Apparently they didn't even mirror the U.S.s very large drop of violent crime in the early eighties. >> -most violent crime occurs in areas with strict gun control already > >Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Those areas implemented gun control because of >the high rates. True only to a certain extent. Take Washington D.C., where gun control was instituted while it had crime problems true, but that crime proceeded to explode afterwards. Similarly for New York. The question is not simply a point in time where crime was high or low. Did the gun control significantly and positively impact violent crime. Since it's gone up in those areas, often faster than it was going up before, you can't simply dismiss the high crime rate by saying gun control was caused by it. Yes, gun control may be instituted to deal with high crime. But if the crime is not positively impacted, you can't continually say that that crime rate was entirely a cause of that gun control, since much of that crime rate increased after gun control was implemented, just as happened in Canada. >Similar or worse rates exist in cities with poor gun control. As would be expected if violent crime was generally independent of gun control. >And the jury is still out on the question of whether recent tough laws in >Washington D.C. may have alleviated violence and suicide rates there. Would this be the laws which made manufacturers liable for what others did with their guns, and suddenly the police found nobody would sell to them? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 10268,9,"From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath Lines: 8 I thought that Walt Weiss was jewish. I seem to recall this was mentioned once while he was still at Oakland. Also, I have my suspicions about Esther Canseco (nee Haddad). --Gidi " 10269,5,"From: vgalvez@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX (Virginia Galvez) Subject: (none) Organization: The Internet Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: XPERT@Athena.MIT.EDU I am working on a problem of scheduling classroom, and I will like to know if you have some software, papers or articles about it. If you have something relate it, please let me know. thanks Lorenza Illanes " 10270,11,"From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: 80-bit keyseach machine Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 47 In article <16BB71018.C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> >scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: > >>Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that >>read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the >>machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium >>that could index and archive it. > > Hmmmm. I think, with really large keyspaces like this, you need to >alter the strategy discussed for DES. Attempt decryption of several >blocks, and check the disctribution of the contents. I don't think it's >at all feasible to keep 2**80 encryptions of a known plaintext block on >*any* amount of tape or CD-ROM. And certainly not 2**128 such encrypted >blocks. (Anyone know a cheap way of converting every atom in the solar >system into a one bit storage device?) [...] I don't claim to be a crypto analyist... there isn't a whole lot of good literature on the subject, and the best people don't seem to publish their work :) but I rather doubt the approach such folks use is brute force (sorry to have implied that in my previous post). The history of these things is folks find clever ways of limiting the search and bang from there. I guess my real problem with Skipjack is I can not believe NSA would make publicly available a system they couldn't break if they wanted... it just isn't in their charter. Remember DES came from IBM, not NSA and, when first published, was given a useful life of 20 years... I think we are well past that point now :( Remember, based on the size of the NSA budget, they spend a lot more on the technology of decryption than most computer companies spend on R&D. I have to imagine their stuff is real interesting... A friend who once worked for them (he is dead now) said he always enjoyed monitoring SAC's (Strategic Air Command) crypto traffic :) and I rather suspect that stuff is a bit more complex than Skipjack (Or was it the military got the stuff from the NSA just like we get Skipjack from them ;) [BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.] -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ Support Privacy: Support Encryption (--)\ " 10271,2,"From: rjn@teal.csn.org (Robert J. Niland) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 292 kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: : I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying : the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper. : I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here : using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the : modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. I can't : see it having trouble keeping up. His pcplus for dos works great, re: What to do after the high speed modem arrives. Edition 01 Apr 93 This article applies only to Windows 3.0 and 3.1, and not to NT, OS/2 or DOS apps not running under Windows. One of the unadvertised limitations of most current Windows PCs is that their RS-232C (serial, COM) performance is seriously deficient. Almost everyone who purchases a high-speed modem (V.32bis, V.32, PEP or HST) discovers the problem the first time they try to download a file or accept an incoming FAX (at 9600+) after upgrading the modem. Overrun and retry errors abound, even when the only active application is the datacomm or FAX program. If the transfer completes at all, it may take even longer than with the old 2400bps modem. There are three reasons for the problem: 1. The Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitters (UARTs) used in most PCs are primitive Ns8250 devices with single-byte FIFO buffers. If the operating system/driver cannot read and flush each character at high interrupt rates, the next incoming character overwrites the FIFO and the previous one is lost. DOS, being a fairly single-minded environment during datacomm, can usually keep up. Windows can't. 2. Windows has more operating system overhead than plain DOS, and interrupts often take longer to service. Overruns are much more likely than under DOS. As soon as you report to your PC/modem vendor that you are losing data, you may be advised that ""you need to upgrade to a 16550"". More likely, since there seems to be a conspiracy of ignorance about this issue, you'll get no useful advice at all. Most of the store-front and mail-order sources I spoke with in attempting to solve my own problem had never heard the term ""16550"" and many didn't even know what a UART was. 3. Even your PC has Ns16550A UARTs (and PS/2's do), or if you can upgrade your mother/COM board or add a new COM board, you may STILL experience errors and overruns because the standard MicroSoft Windows COM drivers don't take full advantage of the 16550. Windows 3.1 is improved in this regard over 3.0, but I still recommend a driver upgrade. Applications like ProComm+/Win (which is what I use) cannot get around this problem by themselves. If you have a modem CARD, you may not have a problem, as the modem part of the card can be designed to be aware of the state of the UART, and avoid overrunning it; however, I wouldn't want to bet that the card designers were that clever, and will insist on a 16550 UART if I ever buy a modem card. Some modem cards don't even have conventional UARTs, but if they are to work with standard Windows drivers, they need to simulate one. Use MSD.EXE (below) to see what the modem card is, or is pretending to be. The Hardware Situation. The UARTs on most PC COM ports are based on National Semiconductor Ns8250 or Ns16450 chips (or megacells inside VLSI chips where you can't replace them). You can ID the UART type on your system by running the MicroSoft diagnostic program \WINDOWS\MSD.EXE. Be sure to run it in DOS *before* bringing up Windows. The Windows serial API may prevent MSD from accurately identifying a 16550 if you run it from a Windows DOS prompt. The Ns16550 UART has separate 16-byte transmit and receive FIFOs with configurable trigger levels, and can run reliably at clock rates up to 460,800 bps, although with current modem technology, there's no point in pushing your luck by going over 115,200 bps. The 16550 has shorted access cycle times than the 16450 or 8250. The 16550 also has DMA capability, but it is not clear that any PC drivers ever use this. For more technical info, see National Semiconductor Application Note AN-491. So, what UART component do you have? Try to locate the UART on your mother board, multi-function I/O card, COM board or ISA/MCA modem card. If you can't find a socketed component with the numbers ""8250"" or ""16450"", your COM ports are probably buried in VLSI, and you won't be able to perform a chip replacement. If you can DISABLE your VLSI COM ports (as I chose to do), you can at least add an aftermarket COM board. If you have one or more socketed 8250 or 16450 chips, you can buy plug-in Ns16550AFN or PC16C550CN (low power CMOS version) ICs from several suppliers typically for $9 to $15 each. The ""N"" chip is the normal 40-pin dual-in-line package. Other styles are available, but avoid any Ns16550 chips without the ""A"" (the 16C550C are presumably all OK). Early Ns chips have bugs, although National will reportedly exchange those of their own manufacture for free. Clone chips are available from various IC makers other than National. The manual for the TurboCom drivers states support for the following (apparently equivalent) chips: National Semiconductor: 16550A, 16551, 16552 Chips&Technology: 82C607 Texas Instruments: t16c550a Silicon Systems: 73M550 VLSI 16C550 TurboCom warns about the pre-""A"" Ns16550 and Western Digital 16C550, says that problems have been reported with early IBM PS/2 55SX and 70 systems (IBM reportedly will upgrade them). If you DON'T have socketed 8250/16450 chips, you'll need to buy an after- market COM or multi-function board. If this is a modem card situation, you may be hosed. To add a new COM or multi-function card, you'll need to either disable the COM1/2 port(s) you are replacing, or re-assign them to COM3/4 (although watch out for IRQ conflicts without TurboCom). Although cheaper cards are available, in the interest of getting the problem solved quickly I elected buy the Modular Circuit Technology MCT-AIO+ card from: JDR Microdevices 2233 Samaritan Drive San Jose CA 95124 (800) 538-5000 voice US (408) 559-1200 voice other (800) 538-5005 FAX US The MCT-AIO+ (and the ""+"" is important) sells for $89.95. It is an 8-bit ISA card providing: Port Type Connector Address and IRQ Comments COM DB9M COM 1,2,3 IRQ 2,3,4,5 Ns16550AFN in socket COM ribbon COM 2,3,4 IRQ 2,3,4,5 Ns16550AFN in socket Parallel DB25F LPT1,2,3 IRQ 5,7 Game ribbon The kit includes a ribbon cable and DB25F connector for the secondary COM port, a ribbon cable/connector for the game port, two bulkhead plates for the ribbon-based connectors and a 9F-to-25F adaptor cable. Each port can be individually disabled, and the COM ports have TX, RX, RTS, CTS, DTR, DCD, and DSR jumpers. JDR also sells a Super-I/O m-f card that also has IDE. I have heard from several people about less expensive m-f I/O cards with 16550s: TSD Systems (407) 331-9130 $19.95 for the card, plus $9.95 per 16550. Greenfield Trading and Distributors (518) 271-2473 (voice), (518) 271-7811(FAX). Their card is $33 w/one 16550, $45 w/2, and they sell 16550AFNs for $13. R&S DATA SYSTEMS, INC. 820 East Highway 434 Longwood, FL 32750 PHONE: (407) 331-1424 FAX: (407) 331-8606 2COM/LPT/Game card w/2 16550s for $39 I have no personal experience with any of the firms except JDR. Meanwhile, back at the MCT card from JDR... I only needed two serial ports, and am running out of IRQs on my PC, so I disabled my built-in VLSI-based 8250 ports. However, with the TurboCom driver (below), I could have set the internals as COM3 and 4, using IRQ sharing. The Software Situation Simply upgrading to 16550 UARTs will not completely solve common overrun problems. The standard MS serial drivers don't take full advantage of the 16550. The Windows 3.0 drivers are even less capable, and the Windows 3.1 drivers have the following limitations: - They enable only the receive FIFO, and only at rates above 2400 bps. - They never enable the transmit FIFO, which results in an interrupt rate of 10x during uploads. - They set the trigger level at 14 bytes (too high - it's easy for 2 more bytes to arrive before the driver can read the FIFO). - The Ports menu of the Control Panel only allows speeds up to 19200. With a V.32bis modem, sparse data and text can easily compress 3:1 or more, suggesting that a host DTE connect rate of 57,600 bps would be effective. - The API won't accept rates above ""CBR_128000"". - The API won't let DOS programs know there is a 16550 there, and even if it did, DOS programs that aren't 16550-aware get little benefit from a 16550 port with the standard drivers. - They don't allow IRQ sharing for COM3,4. - The BIOS doesn't initialize COM3,4 properly in many systems. - Windows provides no workaround for apps that don't provide port speed options above 19200 bps. These problems are reportedly NOT solved in Windows NT or DOS 6.0, and may or may not be addressed in any Windows releases after 3.1 (but before 4.0). Rumors suggest they ""may"" be solved in Windows ""4.0"". You can get replacement drivers that solve all of those problems by buying a copy of ""TurboCom"", current version 1.2, from: Bio-Engineering Research Pacific CommWare Division 180 Beacon Hill Lane Ashland OR 97520-9701 (503) 482-2744 voice (503) 482-2627 FAX (503) 482-2633 BBS MCImail: 344-5374 CompuServe: 71521,760 Price was around $50 as I recall. Bio-Eng is not set up to accept credit cards, so I had to send a check. Egghead and 1-800-Software list TurboCom but as far as I know, they don't stock it. Bio is not a software company per se. They apparently needed reliable hi-speed serial connections for an in-house instrument application, wrote their own driver, discovered a market for it, revised it to be a general purpose COM driver suite. They recently upgraded it for Windows 3.1. It is run-time licensed. I now have my host (DTE) connect rate set to 57,600 bps most of my datacomm apps, and I am having ZERO problems with downloads. I routinely see transfer rates that exceed 2,000 bps. I am also using 115,200 bps when linking an HP95LX to my PC, with lossless bi-directional I/O. Uploads to various remote systems are another matter, because many hosts are still using antique UARTs and drivers. Note that 19200 is still the highest rate that the Windows 3.1 Port menu in Control Panel will allow in configuring a COM port. TurboCom gets around this by allowing you to specify, on each port, a factor that will set the real UART rate to a multiple of the rate passed through the Windows APIs and dialog boxes. I also have CTS/RTS hardware flow control enabled, and I suggest that you do the same. Even if you only ever transfer 7-bit ASCII data, Xon/XOff is not a sufficiently reliable method of flow control. The informal (DEC) standard for Xon/Xoff hysteresis is that the sender may transmit another 16 (yes, sixteen) bytes after receipt of the Xoff from the receiving system or device. The 16 byte FIFO in the 16550 is clearly not big enough to let us rely exclusively on Xon/Xoff. A well-respected datacomm engineer has informed me that the 16550's can't really do CTS/RTS all by itself in the DOS/Windows environment, so using data rates above 115,200 may still be risky. Even with hardware flow control, a 16550 with TurboCom can still experience overruns in very busy systems, with lots of apps running and serious swapping in progress. If this is your situation, you may need to buy a co-processed COM board, but this will cost you more than a 16550/TurboCom upgrade. A review of two such boards, and a review of TurboCom, can be found in the Feb'93 issue of ""Windows Sources"" magazine. I suggest trying a 16550/TurboCom upgrade first, and experiment with process priorities and time slices if you are a ""power user"" whose thrashing system still runs into comm problems. Closing Soapbox Comments The state of RS-232C serial datacomm support is an embarrassment across the computer industry. Because it is the oldest standard I/O interface, the job of designing hardware and writing software often seems to be assigned to the least senior or lowest ranked engineers at computer companies. The design of the average serial port is at least ten years behind the state of the art. In my last job, with a major workstation vendor, I lobbied for improved serial ports when they were doing the initial designs of a new system. That family of machines was subsequently introduced with 16550 ports. However, this is the exception. Few computer companies seem to have any champions for decent I/O. You may as well learn what you can about serial I/O, because this situation shows no sign of improving soon. When V.FAST arrives, I expect cries of outrage from Windows users world-wide whose 8250 PCs ""sort of"" work today with V.32, but will fail miserably with V.FAST. Without a hardware-buffered UART (like the 16550) and without software drivers that use that UART to best advantage, a V.FAST modem will be a waste of money. Regards, 1001-A East Harmony Road Bob Niland Suite 503 Internet: rjn@csn.org Fort Collins CO 80525 CompuServe: 71044,2124 (303) 223-5209 Copyright 1993 Robert J. Niland All Rights Reserved Permission is granted for automatic redistribution of this article, via electronic, magnetic and optical media, in an unedited form, through any Usenet newsgroup where the article is posted by the author. Permission is granted for each CompuServe and Usenet reader subscriber and each person who received this article from Compuserve, an ftp site authorized by the author or via electronic mail from the author, to retain one electronic copy and to make hardcopy reproductions of this edition of this article for personal non-commercial use, provided that no material changes are made to the article or this copyright statement. All other copying, storage, reproduction or redistribution of this article, in any form, is prohibited without the express written consent of the author, Robert J. Niland. EOF " 10272,10,"From: yaska@eecg.toronto.edu (Yaska Sankar) Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 92 In article <1993Apr19.141842.18456@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >In article <18APR93.25909598.0086@VM1.MCGILL.CA> JBE5 writes: >>Aargh! >> >>Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. >>He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques. >>The Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself, >>was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords >>get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!! > >No. Patrick Roy is the reason the game was lost, and Ron Hextall is the >reason Quebec won. Everybody said it would come down to goaltending, that >goaltending was the key, etc etc. Well, the key doesn't quite fit if you're >Montreal. I don't buy this at all. Roy was the reason the game was tied... and that would *not* have been the case had Dionne kept his cool. Hextall gave up 2 very questionable goals himself ... Both Dionne's and Bellows' shots were misplayed by Hextall, but just because his gaffes were early in the game, no one seems to care. Roy stood on his head for the first 15 minutes of the game when the Nords were rushing from end-to-end. Kamensky's mini-break after the tying goal and the first shot by Young in OT were both excellent chances stopped by Roy. Roy outplayed Hextall for most of the game, but Roy becomes the villain and Hextall the hero because Roy's team didn't make full use of their opportunities. Hextall, on the other hand, had a lot of lucky bounces ... he played very well, but the Haller shot off the post in OT, the rebound bouncing over Bellows' stick, the Brunet breakaway, the 3 chances for LeClair ... all those opportunities were *not* finished off by Montreal, and it cost them. Hextall wasn't particularly brilliant on those plays ... >Blaming Stewart is just an >excuse to avoid facing the fact that Roy allowed what was one of the worst >goals he could possibly allow. He even saw the whole shot, dammit. Sure, no excuse ... but it was just the 1 goal. The timing stank, but against an explosive team like Quebec, they gave them 1 opportunity too many with a powerplay that was totally unnecessary. >Montreal played a solid game (although they still don't know how to clear >traffic in front of the net; the loss of Schneider will hurt even more). I disagree. Roy played well because he wasn't screened the whole night. The defense, for the 1st time this season, played remarkably, keeping Sakic, Nolan, and Sundin out of the slot most of the night. >Normally I would say that any team that blows a 2-goal lead with less than >five, let alone two, minutes to go in regulation time IN A PLAYOFF GAME >ESPECIALLY needs to be smacked upside their collective heads. But I don't >think this was a team loss (although Keane should have been able to clear >the zone just prior to the first Quebec goal). This most certainly was a team loss... Leclair missed his opportunities, as did Bellows and Brunet. Dionne took a bad penalty. Damphousse and Lebeau were *silent*. Carbonneau and Savard were a step behind all night. Roy gave up the bad goal. Roy, by no means, can be singled out for this loss. >Roy is paid big money to >play. He looked like a player in an industrial league on Sakic's shot. And Hextall didn't on Dionne's goal? Please. Roy is paid big money because that is his value compared to other goalies ... and he still is in the top 5, when you consider the defense, or lack of one, that played in front of him for most of the season. >Demers should start Racicot in the next game. If not that, he should let >the damn team read the papers for the next day or two....and maybe this >article, if possible. The Montreal media is the quickest to heap praise and then hurl derogatory comments against the Habs. They are no better than uninformed fans. Why should they read the papers? They played 58 minutes of ""Burnsian"" hockey to shut down Quebec. All they need tonight, and for the rest of the series is the extra 2. Red Light to face Quebec...rubbish. That's a guaranteed way to end the series 4-0. Who would be taught a lesson by this ? The fans, the media, and Racicot, perhaps. Certainly not the rest of the team. >I didn't think the wrap-around was as bad as the second goal. I also didn't >think Scott Young should have gotten around the defender (can't remember who) >in the first place. But you are correct, it shouldn't have gone in >regardless. If you mean the goal should never have gone in, because there should never have been an OT, then I agree. But the goal itself was a great piece of work by Young. Roy had both the near and far posts covered, but Young flipped the puck up under Roy's arm as he wrapped-around the net ... not a bad goal at all. Yaska ! yaska@eecg.toronto.edu ! Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering Sankar ! ! University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada " 10273,3,"From: sextonm@univrs.decnet.lockheed.com Subject: Re: Can't get 1280x1024 to work w/2M ATI Ultra Pro Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: univrs.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com Organization: Lockheed Palo Alto Research Labs In article <1993Apr19.144814.17736@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: > I am unable to get my Gateway 486DX2/66 to run Windows > in 1280x1024. I ordered a 2M ATI Ultra Pro, and I'm pretty > sure the 2M is really there because I *can* select > 1024x768x65536. But no matter what I do with the Flex program > in the ATI's program group, 1280x1024 remains ghosted out. > I have Windows 3.1, build 59 of the drivers, DOS 5.0. The > drivers were installed by Gateway, not by me, so perhaps there's > a file missing from the hard drive. It runs 1024x768 just fine. > I did go into the Desktop window and select 1280x1024. Sometimes > it refuses (ghosted out), other time it accepts it, but when I hit > OK and re-enter Desktop, it's back to 1024x768. At no time does > it unghost 1280x1024 in the main Flex window. Help! > > -- Keith, I had a problem getting 256 colors (I was stuck with 16) even though the flex-stuff said I was at 1024-256. I solved it by entering the 'advanced' window on the flex program pannel and changing the 'color palette'. Sorry for the vaugeness, I hope it helps some. BTW, I have a GW2000-66V and 1M ATI GUP. Matt Sexton SEXTON@CLAES.SPACE.LOCKHEED.COM " 10274,0,"From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 34 > What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error > or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is > heresy for the very reasons I gave above. I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although my preference would be to move the discussion to another newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more appropriate. The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical substance of man's being and nature. A good introductory book (in fact one of the best introductory books to Islam in general) is Murtaza Mutahhari's ""Fundamental's of Islamic Thought - God, Man, and the Universe"" - Mizan Press, translated by R. Campbell. Truly a beautiful book. A follow-up book (if you can find a decent translation) is ""Wilaya - The Station of the Master"" by the same author. I think it also goes under the title of ""Master and Mastership"" - It's a very small book - really just a transcription of a lecture by the author. The introduction to the beautiful ""Psalms of Islam"" - translated by William C. Chittick (available through Muhammadi Trust of Great Britain) is also an excellent introduction to the subject. We have these books in our University library - I imagine any well stocked University library will have them. From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the charge of heresy is levelled. As salaam a-laikum " 10275,2,"From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Keywords: ms-windows Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Reply-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Organization: Indiana University Distribution: usa Lines: 66 In article Jesse writes: >hi, > Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would >know if ms-windows is a ""mature"" OS. This is silly. Is Unix a mature OS? Depends on who you ask, and how you define mature. System 7 is, if anything, less mature than Windows 3.1. > Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why >they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft >simulated Mac, but it did a lousy job. For example: >(1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group > in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.) So why do you need something like BeHierarchic to create groups under the Apple Menu? Everyone knows that Apple Menu Items are a ripoff of the Program Manager. If you want a hierarchic program launcher there are lots available. >(3) uncomplete documentation. It's not easy to find the reason why causes > an unpredictable error. And this is easy on a Mac? Give me a break. Having spent hours moving System Extensions around and restarting the Mac to see why a certain app crashes all the time, I find this laughable. >(4) Group deleting/file deleting > After deleting a group, users have to use file manager to delete files. > But if users forget to delete some related files, the disk will be full > of nonsense files. Oh great. Ever hear of aliases? Wonder why Apple implemented them. >(5) share problem > Once you create two windows doing compilation and editing in some > language (w/o good editor), there will be a sharing problem. You just > can not open or save the program if it is loaded. It makes sense to > prevent from saving, but not opening. Eh?? I don't follow. > It's by no means easy to satisfy everybody, but if Microsoft want to >keep their reputations, they should evaluate the user interface more >carefully before products distribute. Why is it that I find the Mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever I use it? > No flame, please. Yeah right. You post flame bait, yet ask for no flames. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! " 10276,4,"From: U56149@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: LCIII & MIDI Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.135945U56149 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 11 Does anyone have any experience using LCIII with MIDI? Do they get along OK? I have heard that the IIvx is not suitable for MIDI, but I have not heard anyon e say anything definitive about LCIII and MIDI? If you have had experience, wh at MIDI interface have you used? Anyone used Finale software in this setting? Please e-mail. I will summarize. Thanks, Jerry Bartlett Peoria, Illinios u56149@uicvm.cc.uic.edu " 10277,12,"From: zstewart@nyx.cs.du.edu (Zhahai Stewart) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 13 >The father of a friend of mine is a police officer in West Virginia. Not >only is his word as a skilled observer good in court, but his skill as an >observer has been tested to be more accurate than the radar gun in some >cases . . .. No foolin! He can guess a car's speed to within 2-3mph just >by watching it blow by - whether he's standing still or moving too! (Yes, 1) How was this testing done, and how many times? (Calibrated speedometer?) 2) It's not the ""some cases"" that worry me, it's the ""other cases"" :-) (eg: suboptimal viewing conditions; even the best subjective viewer can only partial compensate for certain distortions and optical illusions). " 10278,16,"Subject: Re: Washington State From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 14 In article <1993Mar30.191157.8338@synapse.bms.com> hambidge@bms.com writes: >In article <93088.191742U23590@uicvm.uic.edu>, writes: >>What is a CCW >Acronym for Concealed Carrying of Weapon; basically, a permit to carry >a concealed pistol or revolver. I phoned Licensing Division in Washington State to ask for an application for a CCW. Instead they promptly sent me an applicationfor becoming a firearms dealer in Washington! They even sent me a firearms safety pamphlet. -Case Kim " 10279,3,"From: mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.os2.{programmer.porting,setup,multimedia,bugs} Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 476 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net * Attention voters: * * I had a problem with my mailbox on the first day of voting. * Please check the Vote Acknowlegement (ACK) at the end of this CFV. * If your name/address is not there, please send your vote again. * (Actually, check even if you voted after the first day) Introduction: This is the third (and final) Call For Votes (CFV) for the creation of four OS/2 newsgroups and the renaming of one: (a) create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated) (b) renaming of comp.os.os2.programmer to comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated) (c) comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated) (d) comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated) (e) comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated) This is the second attempt at creating comp.os.os2.programmer.porting and comp.os.os2.setup, and renaming comp.os.os2.programmer to comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. The first attempt failed in the summer of 1992 (the voting deadline was August 31, 1992). The voting rules state that another attempt for creating newsgroups can be started after a six month waiting period (in this case, it is March 1, 1993). This is the first attempt at creating comp.os.os2.multimedia and comp.os.os2.bugs. This document contains: * the background showing the need for these proposals * the proposed charters for these proposals * voting instructions * a voting ballot * some example ballots * the voting rules * the voting schedule * the Mass Acknowledgement Background: The creation of two, free, 32-bit compilers for OS/2 2.x (gcc/2 and emx/gcc; read comp.os.os2.programmer for details) has spurred a continuing deluge of software ported from UNIX platforms, such as emacs, less, awk, grep, sed, xscheme, ispell, flex, yacc, and much more. Borland has released its C/C++ compiler for OS/2 2.x, allowing for easier porting of DOS and Windows software. Much of the PC hardware and drivers were written for DOS, and later, Windows. As more people are discovering OS/2 2.x, the number of people asking questions about OS/2's compatibility with their hardware increases, as does the questions on the availability of drivers for their hardware, installation procedures, etc. Multimedia is becoming popular. OS/2 2.0 supports Windows Multimedia Extensions using Win-OS/2 3.0. Furthermore, IBM is including direct multimedia support in OS/2 starting with version 2.1 (in addition to using Win-OS/2 3.1). Any non-trivial software will have bugs -- OS/2 is not exempt, especially since IBM is constantly adding new features to OS/2. So far, IBM has issued system patches and corrective service disks (e.g. the Service Pak) for free (free from BBSs and ftp sites, or for free plus a small media charge for diskettes -- read comp.os.os2.misc for details). Proposed Charters: (a) create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated) It will provide a forum for developers of ported software so as to coordinate efforts, avoid duplication of effort, and spur additional development. The group will also cover topics such as porting from other platforms (such as DOS, Windows, UNIX, etc), toolkits which aid in program portability (including porting tools such as Mirrors), and so forth. (b) rename: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated) To keep the structure of the OS/2 newsgroup heirarchy orthogonal, comp.os.os2.programmer should be renamed to comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. comp.os.os2.programmer.misc will still be the newsgroup for OS/2 programmers to discuss programming issues and technical aspects of OS/2 in an unmoderated setting. (c) create comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated) It will be devoted to OS/2 system setup topics, including the availability of device drivers, compatibility information, installation procedures, system requirements, and overall performance optimization. (d) create comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated) It will provide a forum for discussion of multi-media issues. (e) create comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated) It will provide a forum for OS/2 system bug reports, bug diagnosis and work arounds, the availability of system patches and corrective service disks, and so forth. [Note that discussion of bugs in applications belong in other newsgroups, and discussion of bugs in OS/2 betas belong in comp.os.os2.beta] How to Vote: To cast your vote, fill out the ballot below and e-mail it to me. Many newsreaders will allow e-mail to be sent by replying to this post. Be sure to send only the ballot, and edit out the rest of this post. 1) Type in your vote for each proposal: If you favor the charter as proposed, put a ""yes"" after its name. If you oppose the charter as proposed, put a ""no"" after its name. To abstain, leave a blank after its name. 2) Type in your last name (i.e. your family name), a comma, and your first name (i.e. your personal name). 3) Cut out the ballot, Please do not delete any lines of the ballot. 4) E-mail your ballot to mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu before 11:59:59 pm (Central Time), April 24, 1993. Ballot: ----------------cut here----------------cut here----------------cut here---- (a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: (b) comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: (c) comp.os.os2.setup: (d) comp.os.os2.multimedia: (e) comp.os.os2.bugs: (f) voter's last, first name: e-mail ballot to mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu by April 24 ----cut here----------------cut here----------------cut here---------------- Example Ballot #1: (a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: yes (b) comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: yes (c) comp.os.os2.setup: no (d) comp.os.os2.multimedia: (e) comp.os.os2.bugs: no (f) voter's last, first name: Smith, John In this example, John Smith favors comp.os.os2.programmer.porting to be created, and comp.os.os2.programmer to be renamed to comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. He also opposes the creation of comp.os.os2.setup and comp.os.os2.bugs. He does not have a view on the creation of comp.os.os2.multimedia. Example Ballot #2: (a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: yes (b) comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: yes (c) comp.os.os2.setup: yes (d) comp.os.os2.multimedia: yes (e) comp.os.os2.bugs: yes (f) voter's last, first name: Doe, Jane In this example, Jane Doe favors the creation or rename of all the proposals. Voting Rules: * One vote per person. If you vote more than once, only the most recent vote will be counted. * Votes must be mailed to me by the person voting. Proxy voting, forwarding, posting votes to a newsgroup, etc. will not be counted. * Do not ask how the votes are going. The status of the votings will be revealed only after the poll closes. * I will acknowledge votes by Mass Acknowledgement (ACK). I will post the ACK twice (see Schedule below). * If you need help for using your editor, using e-mail, how voting works in general, etc. then ask an expert at your site. Also see the ``How To Create a New Newsgroup'' article which is posted to news.answers on a regular basis. * If you need any clarifications on voting procedures for this CFV, send me e-mail at mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu. * When the voting period is over (see Schedule below), a proposal passes if both of the following formulas are true: 1) the number of YES votes exceeds the number of NO votes by at least 100 (i.e. YES >= NO + 100, or YES - NO >= 100). 2) the number of YES votes exceeds at least twice the number of NO votes (i.e. YES >= 2 * NO, or YES - NO >= NO). In other words, a proposal passes if: YES - NO >= max (100, NO) where max() returns the highest number given to it. Schedule: The voting period started on March 29 when the first CFV was posted by David Lawrence (the news.announce.newgroups moderator). This third CFV is a repeat of the first CFV, but it also has the Mass Acknowledgement (ACK) of names and e-mail addresses of those who have already voted -- re-send your vote if it is not there. If you have not voted yet, vote now! The voting period will end at 11:59:59 pm (Central Time), on April 24, 1993. Votes received after that time will not count. The voting results and tally will be posted shortly after that date. Mass Acknowledgement: Here is the list of people who have already sent in their ballots as of 12:01 am (Central Time) on April 15, 1993: bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu Aiyagari, Sanjay ska1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu Alcorn, Justin alcorn@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Arien, Peter LAAAA43%BLEKUL11.BITNET@FRMOP11.CNUSC.FR Asselin, Andre assela@rpi.edu Aurand, Tom tom@longs.lance.colostate.edu Baechler, Cedric cbaechle@iiic.ethz.ch Bartlett, Warren bart@pdn.paradyne.com Bates, John johnb@up.edu Beadles, J. jeff@neon.rain.com Beal, Kenneth kbeal@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com Bedersdorfer, Jochen beders@dfki.uni-sb.de Bell, Douglas dab6@SCL.CWRU.Edu Benningfield, Robert concert.net!aurs01!aurw7a!benningf Biegel, Bryan biegel@tigris.stanford.edu Blackman, Ed EBB7683@VENUS.TAMU.EDU Bodnar, John jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Boisvert, Wesley wesb@dermit.isis.org boneham, kevin boneham@suntan.eng.usf.edu Boresch, Stefan boresch@tammy.harvard.edu Boschma, Wilfried v911071@si.hhs.nl Botha, David BOTH-DD@mella.ee.up.ac.za Bowe, Nathaniel woody@vnet.IBM.COM Bowers, Neil neilb@borris.eece.unm.edu Braun,David roland@roll.choate.edu Bronner, Geoffrey geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu Brors, Dieter db@ix.de Brown, Bill brown@chinchilla.ir.ucf.edu Cambria, Michael cambria@smaug.enet.dec.com Carlson, Bill woc8r@poplar.cs.virginia.edu Champion, Evan evanc@carbon.isis.org Chandonia, John chandoni@husc.harvard.edu Chen, Ted tedc@cs.ubc.ca Chua, Hak c164-ez@po.berkeley.edu Ciesielski, Boleslaw bolek@viewlogic.com Clement, Bruce frey@alfheim.actrix.gen.nz Clemente, Marc F. mfclemente@ucdavis.edu Cline, Ernest cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu Cocking , Simon simonc@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au Compton, Curtis compton@plains.NoDak.edu Costello, Robert rcc9885@ultb.isc.rit.edu Coulman, Randy coulman@skdad.usask.ca Cox, Anthony AECOX@waikato.ac.nz Cox, Robert rcox@qvack.EE.McGill.CA Culliton, Tom culliton@srg.af.mil daigle, Joe daigle@apollo.hp.com DeCarlo, John jdecarlo@mitre.org Dippold, Ron rdippold@qualcomm.com Donaldson, Ian icd@ecr.mu.oz.au Drye, Stephen scdrye@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Duffy, Patrick duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca Dusitsin, Krid dusitsin@ee.umr.edu Erzberger, Martin erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch Feldtmann, Marten marten@feki.toppoint.de Feustel, Edward efeustel@ida.org filippini,luigi luigi@berlioz.crs4.it Fischer, Stefan fischer@tammy.harvard.edu Fleuren, Rik rik@sci.kun.nl Francis, Tim francis@vnet.IBM.COM Francois Menard menaf00@dmi.usherb.ca Franks, Derek franks@hercules.cs.uregina.ca Franzki, Wolfgang wfranzki@hlrserv.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de Friedrich, Jochen jofried@fzi.de Friis, Torben tfriis@imada.ou.dk G""unther, Stefan stefan@med-informatik.uni-hildesheim.de Galarza, Edward LENBC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Gammon, Robert rgammon@rgam.sc.ti.com Gartler, Hermann herm@owlnet.rice.edu Garzik, Jeff gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu Gershman, Mark gershman@bach.udel.edu Giller, David R. rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu Gnassi, John jgnassi@hstbme.mit.edu Goyal, Mohit goyal@utdallas.edu Green, Anthony green@roboco.uucp 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Marc_Van-Woerkom@ac3.maus.de Veeraraghavan, Venkatesh venky@owlnet.rice.edu Veldhuyzen, Eric v912182@si.hhs.nl Vigor, Kevin kevin@wicat.COM Villumsen, Ole ovillumsen@daimi.aau.dk Wald, David wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu Wallace, Jack grey@vnet.IBM.COM Wantosch, Rainer RAINER@sasowa.han.de Watson, Brett watson@s1.elec.uq.oz.au Weber-Fahr, Christoph weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Weeks, Larry dev@ecn.purdue.edu Werner, John werner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu West, Mike west@esd.dl.nec.com weyrich, orville uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville White, Andrew apwhite@csugrad.cs.vt.edu Wiersema, Brian brianw@umd5.umd.edu Wimmer, Carsten Carsten_Wimmer@train.fido.de Wittenauer, Allen Allen_Wittenauer@crispy.carb.il.us Woodbury, Gregory ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US Worthington, Stephen stephen@actrix.gen.nz Wright, Gregory gregory@bcstec.ca.boeing.com Wyble, Richard transfer.stratus.com!schunix!rwyble YOUNG, DAVID M. dyoung@netcom.com Zabbal, Christian kris@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca zawodny, jeremy jzawodn@andy.bgsu.edu Zou, Nan nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu -- --:--~ (OS| Mike Levis Unofficial OS/2 Spokesmodel S/2) .--:-| --:--(OS/2)| mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu -> votes (OS/2)--~ | mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu -> clarifications " 10280,16,"From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Incompetent law enforcement can kill X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 40 Ever since the siege at Waco started the FBI spokesman has been stressing how unstable and paranoid David Koresh was. He stressed how likely it was the the Branch Davidians would commit mass suicide. He was concerned with the safety of the children. What did the FBI do to defuse the situation, Did they try to reassure Koresh? DId the FBI offer medical assistance to the BD? Did the FBI offer them a supply of water when the BD pump stoped working? Did the permit Koresh to communicate with anyone outside the compound? What the FBI did was harass the Branch Davidians as much as possible. They kept powerful lights shining on the compound, shut off their electrical power, put their pump out of action, assaulted their ears with loud noise, cut off their communication with the outside and kept limiting their permitter. The stated goal was to put pressure on David Koresh. Was the FBI attempting to get Koresh to surrender or were they hoping to get Koresh so mad that he and some of his followers would attack the the tanks. It appears that the tactics employed by the FBI did drive Koresh over the edge. The blame for the deaths should be shared by both the federal experts whose tactics drove Koresh over the edge and the fools at the ATF who planed the raid. Stupidity and incompetence of the BATF and the FBI leadership have resulted in the needless death of 90 innocent people. If every thing had gone as planned 90 people would be alive today. Instead the ATF screwed up and caused the death of 90+. Incompetent law enforcement can kill you! -- Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | " 10281,12,"From: horne@cs.utexas.edu (Patrick J. Horne) Subject: Thermal fuse supplier wanted Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu Keywords: MITI I have a thermal fuse from a Apple Laserwriter II power supply (Made by Cannon) that I need to replace. The fuse is not the standard tubular thermal fuse like those found in hair driers etc, but is a rectangular plastic package, much like a transistor or diode. It is about 0.2""x0.2""x0.1"", with both leads coming out of one of the 0.1""x0.1"" sides. I have been told that it was made by MITI, a asian company, but I can find no information as to a supplier. This fuse is rated at 1A, 130C. Does anyone have a source for this fuse? I only need 5 or so, which means that the manufacturer wouldn't even want to talk to me, let alone, deal with me. Please advise via E-mail. Thanks, Pat -- --- I like boats and bicycles, they're healthier than Valium --- Pat Horne, Network Manager, Shop Supervisor, Hardware Guru CS Dept, University of Texas, Austin, Tx. 78712 USA voice (512)471-9517, fax (512)471-8885, UUCP:cs.utexas.edu!horne " 10282,13,"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Organization: The Instrumentality X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 16 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at >expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology. >Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that... His _heart_? This jerk doesn't have a heart, and it beats me why you're apologizing for him. In my book, behavior like this is unprofessional, inexcusable, and beyond the pale. If he's overworked, it's because he's too busy raking in the bucks. More likely, he just likes to push women around. I'd fire the s.o.b., and get myself another doctor. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 10283,4,"From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: What to put in Centris 650 Internal Bay? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 24 hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options >>>button next to the microphone icon. >>How do you click on the Options button? I've never seen it undimmed. > The latest word on this is you have to disconnect the Microphone >cable on the motherboard. Then the button is supposed to un-dim. >-Hades Sorry, I assumed that the the various new machines with the internal CD-ROM bay worked the same as the Quadra 900. Obviously they don't. I can use any of three inputs by changing the radio button under the sound cp on my Quadra 900, Microphone, External, and CD-ROM. I always leave the microphone plugged in (even though I never use it). " 10284,8,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 734919391@u.washington.edu, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes: > >So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws? Take up residence in a fantasy world. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... " 10285,13,"From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Keywords: science errors Turpin Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 16 In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: > >Furthermore, the big bucks approach to science promotes what I think is >one of the most significant errors in science: choosing to investigate >questions because they can be readily handled by the currently >fashionable methodology (or because one can readily get institutional >or corporate sponsorship for them) instead of directing attention to >those questions which seem to have fundamental significance. Shades of James Watson! That's exactly the way many workers have described their misgivings about the Human Genome Project. If you take a rigid definition of scientific research, the mere accumulation of data is not doing science. One of the early arguments against the project were that the resources would be better used to focus on specific genetics-related problems rather than just going off and collecting maps and sequence. The project can't be so narrowly defined or easily described now though. " 10286,9,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 31 jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: >One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't >yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this >situation: >If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up >and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball. >However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a >runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for >advancing too early? When the >ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it >hits the ground? >Enlightenment would be appreciated. I'm not sure I understand this question. When the IF rule is invoked, the batter is automatically out. This relieves the runners from being forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught. Other than that, isn't it just the same as any situation in which a runner on a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball? That is, if the ball is caught he can tag up and run (or decide to stay), and if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 10287,13,From: bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Smoker's Lungs Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 3 How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen? 10288,14,"From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain) Subject: Drag free satellites (was: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL) Keywords: JPL Organization: Florida State University Geology Dept. Lines: 23 In article <1raee7$b8s@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >> In answer >>to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed >>drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only >>a concept."" > >SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? I am puzzled by the term ""concept."" Drag free may already have been flown. It was the idea behind putting up a spacecraft that would more accurately respond to motions from the Earth's gravity field and ignore drag. It was proposed many years ago and involved a ball floating between sensors whose job it was to signal to little adjustment jets to keep the ball away from them. The ball itself would then be in a drag free condition and respond only to gravity anisotropies, whereas the spacecraft itself would be continuously adjusting its position to compensate for drag. Joseph Cain cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu cain@fsu.bitnet scri::cain (904) 644-4014 FAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098 " 10289,2,"From: wefiii@axion.UUCP (Warren E. Fridy III) Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions Reply-To: wefiii%axion@palan.palantir.com Organization: Private Lines: 17 In <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes: >(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? > I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I > can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . You might try the recorder and make a micro. I done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didn't have the ability to use a micro. It should be in the Accessories window. The only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work. But, Good Luck. -- --Warren E. Fridy III 250 61st. Street North | St. Petersburg, FL 33710 | internet: wefiii%axion@palan.palantir.com (813)384-0584 | UUCP: ...palan!deep6!axion!wefiii " 10290,10,"From: richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) Subject: Bruins in the Playoffs Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA Distribution: na Lines: 19 Well Bruins fans it's playoff time again. It looks like the B's have peaked at the right time. Getting out of the Adams is going to be a cat fight to the end. After what they did to Montreal and Quebec, these teams will be out for revenge. If Neely can stay healthy, and both Bourque and Moog stay sharp, we should get to see Neely finally take out two years of frustration on Ulf (I don't fight) Samuelson. I don't agree with fighting in the NHL, but if there is one guy who deserves to be taken out good, it's him. This is going to be a good series, Go Bruins!!!! Rchard richard@amc.com " 10291,2,"From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 29 In article robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes: >Justin Whitton (ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk) wrote: >: In article edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes: >: >: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: >: >: I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. >: >: I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures >: from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-) > >The black ink is waterfast, but the color isn't > >: >: I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet. >: >: -- >: /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ >: |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..| >: |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \------------------------------| >: |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. | >: |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. | >: \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ > >Bob Taylor >HP Vancouver > " 10292,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 297 In article hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes: >article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know >what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =) Very simple. ""X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds."" After all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) >To which I say: >Hear, hear. Motion seconded. You must be a new 'Arromdian'. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF crooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in such a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged/non-existent junk has already been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer and hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible for the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering Turkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically calls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian and criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government as merely a step on the road to said genocide. Now where shall I begin? #From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) #Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN #Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar #Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar: >From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian) >Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org> >In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto. >edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question: >[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other >[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of >[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna. >The obvious ridiculous ""Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems"" is the most >outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this >net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one >day! > - - - start yalanci.txt - - - [some parts are deleted] >In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the >Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to >revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational >definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish): >[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1] >[Yalanci] >[Yalanci] ""The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks >[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding >[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, >[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of >[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and >[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks >[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."" >[Yalanci] >[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, ""Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"" >[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157. >This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On >page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the >chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub- >Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on >Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia. >There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above. - - - >Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay! >The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while >covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the >ridiculous ""historical"" material publicly displayed! >David Davidian | The life of a people is a sea, and Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,""Genocide..."" and what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book was like ""voice of Armenian revolutionists"" and although I read the whole book, I could not find the original quota. But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows: > According to Leo:[1] >""The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on > the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own > affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was > actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the > Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party > political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian > bayonets for their success."" >[1] B. A. Leo. ""The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey,"" vol II, ====================================================================== > p. 157. ====== QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT ! DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR. Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly... You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least we may save time by not dealing with your lies. And for the following line: >Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay! I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you. I hope you will be drowned in your lies. Ahmet PARLAKBILEK #From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan) #Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu> In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu >(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu. >11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: > >[(*] Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, >[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) >[(*] (287 pages). > >[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published >[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page >[DD] 178, we are asked to believe: > >[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... > >[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) >[VD] ******** > >[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you >[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?.. > >Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]! o boy! Please, can you tell us why those quotes are ""crap""?..because you do not like them!!!...because they really exist...why? As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source given by Serdar Argic .. You couldn't reject it... > >In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK >was published in 1924. Here we go again.. In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively! (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of pages, please ask by sct) I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924) What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your groundless accussations, etc. > [...] > >[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim! > >[VD] what is new? > >I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there >is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time! I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication) and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you are avoiding the real issues by twisting around.. Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication) First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You called Serdar Argic a liar!.. I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote... (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.) And now, you are lying again and talking about ""modified,re-published book"" (without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..).. (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty well suited theories', as usual) And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number and page numbers again for the library use, which are: 949.6 R 198 and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215 > >It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has >377! Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying ""it is not possible..."" ..If not, what is your point? Differences in the number of pages? Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934.. No need to use the same book size and the same letter charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!! The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year first published.. And you tried to hide the whole point.. the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given by Serdar Argic exist!! It was the issue, wasn't-it? you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a ""crap"".. People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still has so many ""craps"" in the 1993. Any question? hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) > Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to >lose count around 1.5 million. Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with. You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists, the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian criminal organizations. Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up. Not a chance. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 10293,17,"From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 21 In article Steven Smith writes: >dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: >> THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE >> >> by Theodore J. O'Keefe >> >> [Holocaust revisionism] >> >> Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical >> Review. Educated at Harvard University . . . > >According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to >graduate. You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated >anywhere. (forgive any inaccuracies, i deleted the original post) isn't this the same person who wrote the book, and was censured in canada a few years back? peg " 10294,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Murray as GM (was: Wings will win Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 18 In article <20APR199312512640@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) writes: > >Gerald, Murray wasn't responsible for Primeau (although I'm not >ready to admit that's a horrible pick). They hired him after the >draft (which has never made sense to me). His first pick was >Lapointe. > I don't think Primeau is necessarily a bad pick...I'm was just trying to locate the beginning of Murray's decisions...he slowness in trading Carson has delayed Primeau's development...and you have to wait longer for big players often...and Primeau can be a very good player without being a point-a-game-player, especially on a team that has Yzerman and Fedorov...if Primeau becomes Joel Otto, and gets 20 goals a season, and plays mean...it will have been an extremely good pick. Gerald " 10295,5,"From: neuralog@NeoSoft.com (Neuralog) Subject: Authorization in OW 3.0 Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 29 Hello, This is my first net letter, so forgive mistakes! I have been plagued by problems (or lack of info) with authorization in Open Windows 3.0 for a long while and would like some help please! I generally use strait MIT X, and so don't use OW much, but when I share X software with others - bad news. PROBLEM: My friend who logs into his SSII trys to run my program that runs fine on my machine, however, my friend gets ""client not authorized to connect to server"" (or something close). If OW is started with the -noauth option all is well, but surely this is not required in general! Also, xhost + does not work, becoming root does not work, etc... Any help will be greatly appreciated! Thanx send replies to neuralog@neosoft.com or this news group " 10296,12,"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 33 marrevola@rediris.es wrote: : In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: : > Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : > : > : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company : > : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by : > : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets : > : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. : > : > Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man : > named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation : > of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. : > : > : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus : > : our use of the Ohms... : > : > I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. : Are you (two) joking? : Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)? : Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing ""the pink : colored resistor"", only for electronics working females ;-) : -- : Manuel Arrevola Velasco ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es ||||| : DoD #1033 : Yes, I have taken a bit of flame on this one. I must've been half asleep when I posted a response to Joseph. Greggo. ----- Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada ""My opinions; not BNR's"" " 10297,9,"From: jbrown@stein.u.washington.edu (Jeffery Brown) Subject: Re: Early BBDDD Returns? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr16.073051.9160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the >BB DDD this year.... The tater that Jack Morris served to Griffey the Younger in his first at-bat this year went 394 feet, if I remember right (I'll have to check my scorecard at home). I think that's the longest so far in the Kingdome through the first stand (five games) there. A weak showing, despite some promising taterball candidates ... Ben McDonald, Rich DeLucia, and the rest of the Mariner bullpen ... making appearances. Anyone have the tape-measure value for Omar Vizquel's grand slam in the Skydome? --- Jeff Brown Big Enchilada of the Brown Bag Lunches Astronomy Dept. jbrown@u.washington.edu U. of Washington jbrown@phast.phys.washington.edu " 10298,18,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: CLINTON: President's Remarks at Town Hall Meeting Lines: 25 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1qia48INNgta@life.ai.mit.edu> Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) writes: > > > SECRETARY RILEY: Good evening and welcome to all of you >in the thousands of communities around the country that are taking >part in this satellite town meeting for the month of April. > > You know, today is April 13th. In 1743, Thomas >Jefferson was born, 250 years ago. I think that's appropriate to >mention at the beginning of this meeting because since that time he >has been, of course, a person who has been one that we've all >followed in terms of our democracy and the importance of education >here in this great country. The success of our democracy according >to Jefferson really depends upon the success of our educational >system. I wonder if he realizes the irony of a Federal Secretary invoking a rabid anti-federalist in support of federal education programs? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" " 10299,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 26 In article jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) writes: > >From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, >ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. > >From Page 10, >.. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, >homeopathy was included as an officially approved method >of treatment. I was there in 1976. I suppose it must have died out since 1946, then. Certainly I never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in the employ of the NHS. Perhaps the law codified it but the authorities refused to hire any homeopaths. A similar law in the US allows chiropractors to practice in VA hospitals but I've never seen one there and I don't know of a single VA that has hired a chiropractor. There are a lot of Britons on the net, so someone should be able to tell us if the NHS provides homeopaths for you. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10300,0,"From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Association Against Having Fun With Your Clothes On Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: [...] >One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving >God a form. God does not have a ""face"". Wait a minute. I thought you said that Allah (I presume Allah == God) was unknowable, and yet here you are claiming to know a very concrete fact about him. You say that God does not have a ""face"". Doesn't the bible say that God has hindparts? How do you suggest I decide which (if any) of you is right? Or are you both right? God has hindparts but no face? Or does your use of quotation marks: God does not have a ""face"". allow you to interpret this to mean whatever you like? > >Peace, > >Bobby Mozumder -Norman " 10301,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 36 In <1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes: >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other The Leafs have always been kind of comical. During the second Imlach era, when Darryl Sittler was called a ""cancer on the team"", he tore the C off his sweater and for a while the Leafs didn't have a Captain. Sittler eventually ended up in Philly and he was promised the Philly captaincy by new GM (and Sittler's friend) Bobby Clarke. Instead, Sittler got traded to Detroit. Rick Vaive was the Leaf Captain for awhile but he slept in one day and they took the captaincy away from him. Then he was traded to Chicago. During Doug Carpenter's tenure as Leaf coach, in an attempt to kiss the ass of a sulking Gary Leeman, the Leafs took the A away from Brad Marsh to give to Leeman. Leeman wouldn't take it and when they tried to give it back to Marsh, he wouldn't take it neither. The best story I remember about a captain concerned Mel Bridgman, late of the Senators. While he was in Philadelphia, Bobby Clarke, arguably one of the great captains of all time, was bumped up to the status of playing coach and so he had to relinquish the captaincy. Bridgman be- came the new captain. A reporter asked a Flyer what Bridgman did as a captain since Clarke was still the undisputed leader amongst the players. The reporter was told that Bridgman was in charge of making sure that the soap dispensers in the showers were always full. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 10302,4,"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Price drop on C650 within 2 months? Article-I.D.: yuma.Apr06.184114.73926 Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it, but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better deal? thanks, -nate ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu " 10303,5,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Justin Kibell (jck@catt.citri.edu.au) wrote: : What has this got to do with comp.windows.x? : I agree that this is a side track, but it is funny that I skip so many other articles (threads) but I couldn't resist reading this one. My beliefs, opinions, and expressions are strictly my own and do not represent or reflect any official or unofficial policies or attitudes of any other person or organization.... but. I have heard that Ford Motor Company has (had) a recruiting bias toward engineers and away from computer science graduates. The reasoning is supposedly to better meet long range personnel requirements. This is evidenced by the large number of CS people who are employed via contracts and are not brought on board except in special circumstances. This is a generalization which obviously doesn't always hold true, but there are statistics. Furthermore, most ""software engineering"" at Ford gets done by electrical engineers. I know of 2 univerities that have merged the computer science department and the electrical engineering so that you can get a computer degree which qualifies you for much more than programming. But since my beliefs and opinions are merely figments of my distorted imagination I suppose I should keep it to myself. " 10304,7,"From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: hipmac1.pica.army.mil In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) wrote: > > > Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason > is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is > ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort > children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised > when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the > message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! > I think this is getting a little overheated. Highway robbers have been a part of life since the Middle Ages at least. It's human nature to look at history through rose colored glasses, but random acts of violence have been a ceaseless part of our heritage. Overall, life is better now than it ever was then. It's just that random individual acts of violence have never been historically significant, and record keeping in the past was never good enough to retain them all. Steve Wall " 10305,5,"From: black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black) Subject: Re: Realtime X-tensions Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA Lines: 19 > I am looking for information on any work that deals with real-time > support in X-windows????!! > Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information Concurrent has a product called RealTimeX (tm) that is a set of real-time extensions to the X Window System. RealTimeX is currently supported on the Concurrent Series 7000 and Series 8000 with the GA5000 graphics accelerator. If you need/want more info, let me know. - sam black ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once you remove the absurdity from human existence, there isn't much left. __________ / _______/__ /__/______/ / black@westford.ccur.com Concurrent /_________/ Computer Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10306,15,"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 22 In a previous article, mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu) says: > >Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end, >aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have >the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as >false? > If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does the authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself authoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find authority for my belief in the legitimacy of the authority. In short, the mind has to start somewhere. (By the way, the majority of Christians, i.e. Catholics, believe in the authority of the Church, and derive the authority of the Bible from its acceptance by the Church.) -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== " 10307,13,"From: plebrun@minfminf.vub.ac.be (Philippe Lebrun) Subject: Re: Bursitis and laser treatment Distribution: eunet Organization: Vrije Universiteit Brussel Faculteit Geneeskunde Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr17.190104.14072@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes: |> |> My family doctor and the physiotherapist (PT) she sent me to agree that the |> pain in my left shoulder is bursitis. I have an appointment with an orthpod |> (I love that, it's short for 'orthopedic surgeon, apparently) but while I'm |> waiting the PT is treating me. |> |> She's using hot packs, ultrasound, and lasers, but there's no improvement |> yet. In fact, I almost suspect it's getting worse. |> |> My real question is about the laser treatment. I can't easily imagine what |> the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem. Can anyone |> shed some light (so to speak) on the matter? If it works it's only due to the heat produced by the laser. -philippe " 10308,6,"From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: 4 Sale: Computer misc, books, RPG stuff, etc.y Article-I.D.: kuhub.1993Apr6.004808.48862 Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 85 In article <1993Apr6.004325.48859@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > The following are for sale (duh...:) > > Golden Image 400dpi B&W Hand Scanner & Dpaint III > $70 > > Amiga Vision - mulitmedia authorizing software > $30 > > Baud Bandit - terminal communication software > $10 > > The Bard's Tale III: Thief of Fate - graphic RPG > $15 > > F-29 Retaliator - flight simulator > $15 > > Future Wars - fantasy/scifi graphic RPG > $15 > > RVF Honda - Motocycle simulation > $10 > > Patlabor Ingram and Phantom Labor models - Japanese Anime models > $15 > > Robotech RPG books (English): > > The Ingrid Invasion > $10 > > Southern Cross > $10 > > Battletech Books (English): > > The Fox's Teeth: Exploits of McKinnon's Raiders > $5 > > Gray Death Legion > $5 > > Mercenary's Handbook > $15 > > CityTech > $15 > > Aerotech > $15 > > Mechwarrior > $15 > > AD&D Books: > > Monster Manual > $5 > > Monster Manual II > $5 > > Fiend Folio > $5 > > Lots of books in Japanese and English on subjects of: Japanese > Culture, Asian Art History, Japanese Language, Socio-linguistics, > Ethnography, Linguistics, Physics, Calculaus (Menum and Folis), Unix > and Amiga Programming, Economics (Micro, Macro, Intl. Trade & Finance, > American Economic Development), and Philosophy (Language, Ethics, > Cognition, Science). If there's something you think you might be > interested in let me know and I'll tell you what I have. > -- > jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu > James Miller > > _chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._ > Enlightenment Happens? -- jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu James Miller _chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._ Enlightenment Happens? " 10309,15,"From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 40 Daniel Segard (dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: [a lot of stuff deleted] : For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of : First Fruits). Torah commands that this be observed on the day following : the Sabbath of Passover week. (Sunday by any other name in modern : parlance.) Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection : on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured? Why jump it all : over the calendar the way Easter does? Why not just go with the Sunday : following Passover the way the Bible has it? Why seek after unbiblical : methods? : In fact, that is the reason Easter ""jumps all over the calendar""- Passsover itself is a lunar holiday, not a solar one, and thus falls over a wide possible span of times. The few times that Easter does not fall during or after Passover are because Easter is further linked to the Vernal Equinox- the beginning of spring. [more deletions] : : So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore : goddess)? I am all for celebrating the Resurrection. Just keep that : whore out of the discussion. : Your obsession with the term ""whore"" clouds your argument. ""Whore"" is a value judgement, not a descriptive term. [more deletions] Overall, this argument is an illustration of the ""etymological fallacy"" (see J.P. Louw: _Semantics of NT Greek_). That is the idea that the true meaning of a word lies in its origins and linguistic form. In fact, our own experience demonstrates that the meaning of a word is bound up with how it is _used_, not where it came from. Very few modern people would make any connection whatsoever between ""Easter"" and ""Ishtar."" If Daniel Seagard does, then for him it has that meaning. But that is a highly idiosyncratic ""meaning,"" and not one that needs much refutation. revdak@netcom.com " 10310,4,"From: DJCOHEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Daniel Cohen) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Nntp-Posting-Host: yalevm.ycc.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >I've noticed an interesting phenomenon on my Centris 650. If I unplug the >keyboard and mouse and plug them in again without turning the power off, >the mouse suddenly switches to about half its normal movement speed. I check >the ""Mouse"" control panel, and there's no change in its setting there--it's >still on full speed, the way I like it. Restarting the machine restores the >normal mouse speed. > >By the way, it happens with both the newer-style mouse that came with the >Centris, and the older-style mouse from my IIfx at work. Thus I don't think >it has anything to do with the resolution setting in the mouse--it's >definitely a quirk of the ADB interface (either hardware or software) in the >Centris itself. I have noticed this exact same phenomenon occurs with my LCIII. Perhaps it is a quirk of the new machines? --Dan " 10311,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 16 In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is >beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a >regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to >say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg >disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an >SHO anyway. actually, disabled persons have been known to drive in SCCA races. i'd be careful about making sweeping generalizations here. i'd prefer a manual transmission, but the early SHO had an awful transmission that felt like it came out of a truck or something. it was almost enough to make me want an automatic. -teddy " 10312,0,"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes: >Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable >posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the >subject ""Re: atheist too?"". That was article #473 here; your question >was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for >the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is >such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I >saved in the early days were articles from the following notables: Hey, it might to interesting to read some of these posts... Especially from ones who still regularly posts on alt.atheism! >>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) >>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) >>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) >>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry) >>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) >>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) > >An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is? Hee hee hee. *I* ain't going to say.... --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. " 10313,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 19 In article khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: >One of my biggest complaints about using the word ""fundamentalist"" >is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime >fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim >but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. >I wonder what an equal definition would be.. >any takers.. The American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to refer to both Christians and Jews. Christian fundementalists are often refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests. The American media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in Judea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 10314,15,"From: llcoolj@athena.mit.edu (Alfred Eaton) Subject: Re: Mormon temples Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 16 I was wondering if anyone knew any changes to the temple ceremony within the last fifty years.... Also, why do you think they were made (revelation, assimilation to mainstream Christianity, etc.)? I know that the God Makers was published quite a while ago. Could rituals have been changed since then? I am also very interested in the influence of Freemasonry on early Mormonism, especially in the Smith family and in the Nauvoo settlement. Info on any new studies would be appreciated. Thanks, Freddie Eaton llcoolj@athena.mit.edu " 10315,9,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 20 kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, my guess is because America loves underdogs. Every year, no matter > the Cubs' talent or the predictions, they never (as close to never as > possible) win anything. Over the years, as the losing has mounted, America > has fallen in love with these perennial losers. The Cubs have more fans > in Chicago then some teams do worldwide. The Cubs have more fans > worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined. > An aura of excitement surrounds the Cubs at the beginning of the season > like no one else. (including the WS champs) It must be that Eternal Hope. Actually I admired the spirit of the fan at the Cubs opener several years ago who held up a sign that said ""Wait Till Next Year"". ----- Eric Smith | ""He threatened me! If it was a President of the erics@netcom.com | United States you'd investigate! ... What's the erics@infoserv.com | difference? I'm a Comedian of the United States!"" CI$: 70262,3610 | - Jerry Seinfeld " 10316,2,"From: singlis@waikato.ac.nz Subject: Win3.1 font with MACRONS Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Lines: 11 Greetings from green New Zealand... We are looking for a Windows 3.1 Font that will allow ""macrons"" (a hypen) over vowels -- in both UPPER and lower cases. This is so we can use Maori characters in Windows applications. Thanks in advance -Stuart Inglis (Email directly to tetaka@waikato.ac.nz would be the prefered method of contact) " 10317,18,"From: brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian ""Drakula"" Stone) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Lines: 39 Organization: College of Arts and Sciences >The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >-- Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all homosexual and bisexual men. It would seem more logical to say that since the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. So... whose promiscuous? Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... Look closely at the person, not the group. All flames will be ignored. :) Later, _______________________ ______________________________________ ( )( ) ( Brian Stone )( ) ( UNT-CAS Tech. Support )( Life without your touch is hard, ) ( )( but life without you in unthinkable. ) ( brian@gab.unt.edu )( ) (_______________________)(______________________________________) " 10318,18,"From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle) Subject: Who are The ``Rich''? (was Re: Professors Whining About Pay) Organization: The Gifted and The Damned Summary: soak 'em if you got 'em... Keywords: not me! Lines: 79 Candidate Clinton promised to tax the rich, and most folks thought that was a pretty nifty idea. Then President Clinton said he wanted families who make more than $100,000 to bear 70% of the new tax burden, and many were quick to complain that their six-figure income does not make them one of the well-to-do. It's particularly ironic (to me) that it's in those traditionally liberal enclaves of the Bay Area and academia where the wealthy are struggling so to fit themselves into the mantle of ""just regular working-class folk"". Nobody will ever admit to being rich; everybody's middle class. So who are The Rich? Well, I'll throw out some stats from the 1990 Census and let you be the judge... Va negvpyr mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) jevgrf: } In article <1qcdvbINN5ti@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> } fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: } > [...] } >that would be about $55 to 65 thousand US, and that is what tenured } >professors can expect to make. For a PhD with say 10 years experience, } >$65,000 is a lot less than what he could be making in industry. } } Oh? As a 12-year veteran of Silicon Valley, I've seen precious few } employment ads that call for PhDs. And $65K is hardly chump change; } it's well above the median *household* income for the state. Bay Area average household income is in the mid-$40,000 range. National average is $31,889. The Bay Area has nearly twice the national average of six-figure income households (9.1% vs 4.8%*). The cost-of-living here may be high, but I don't think it's twice the national average... } >In Los Angeles, modest home prices can be $500,000. A 1,500-square-foot tract house in a Bay Area working-class neighborhood goes for about $250,000. I doubt that the Los Angeles market is all that different. It would appear that this definition of ""modest"" is perhaps a bit immoderate... } So what? They're no cheaper for those who are gainfully employed. } } >In California, $65,000 is not upper-middle-class. } } It depends upon your definition; it's clearly above average. It is more than what two-thirds of California households make. Seems to me that belonging to the upper one-third is not an unreasonable definition of ""upper-middle-class"". Note that if that professor's spouse earns $35,000 they become one of Clinton's ""rich"" families. Here's a breakdown of national, California, and Bay Area household incomes: <$30K $30-50K $50-100K $100K+ ------------------------------------ US 49% 24% 23% 4% * the Census Bureau did some weird CA 41% 26% 26% 7% rounding here...more like 5% BA 34% 25% 31% 9% And to add a little prespective: A minimum wage earner working 40 hours/week makes $8,840/year. The poverty line for a family of four is $15,171. If they make up to twice that, the government considers them to be ""working poor"". Say we decide to call this the ""lower-middle-class"". Then how 'bout: $30-50K annual income is ""middle-class"". $50-100K is ""upper-middle-class"". $100K+ is ""rich"". $1,000K+ is ""filthy-rich"". and $10,000+ is ""Bill Gates"". make sense? ;^) -timr -- There's nothing surer, The rich get rich and the poor get poorer, In the meantime, in between time, Ain't we got fun. --Raymond Egan " 10319,16,"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.195636.17742@guinness.idbsu.edu>, betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: > -- > betz@gozer.idbsu.edu > *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** > *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** > *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium If you really want to trigger the scanners then move the keywords above the -- signature start bit... You'll only trip them once in a sig (plus every so often it will flag one for human intervention just to be sure) I might not be being serious. -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** " 10320,9,"From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson) Subject: music censorship survey - please fill out Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu Hello, I'm doing a paper on censorship in music and I would appreciate it if you took the time to participate in this survey. Please answer as each question asks ('why?' simply means that you have room to explain your answer, if you chose.). The last question is for any comments, questions, or suggestions. Thank you in advance, please E-mail to the address at the end. I) are you [male/female] II) what is your age? III)what is your major/occupation? IV) what type of music do you listen to (check all that apply)? a. hard rock b. metal c. alternative d. blues e. rap f. jazz g. soft rock h. easy listening i. country j. classical k. hard core l. dance m. new age n. others (did I miss any?)____________ 1) Do you think recordings with objectionable or offensive lyrics be labeled? [yes/no] Why? 2) Do you think certain recordings should be banned from minors (under 18 years of age)? [yes/no] why? 3) Do you think certain recordings should be banned. Period. [yes/no] Why? 4) If yes to any of the above, who should decide: a. parents b. government c. music industry d. other________________ feel free to add any comments on this. 5) Do you think [more/less] should be done for controling record sales, or do you think the present labeling system is enough? 6) What is your definition of censorship? Also, feel free to add comments, suggestions, questions, or further explanations. Please E-mail at: mtt@kepler.unh.edu or hit 'R' to reply. thanks. Matthew T. Thompson disclaimer: if any responses are used in paper, they will be anoynamous (sp?) unless the person specifies they what their name to be used. -- *************This .sig is closed for repairs******************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ution,| } Matthew T. Thompson rrrrrrr! *pound, pound, thud* ""OUCH""$%#@""duh?"" E-mail at mtt@kepler.unh.edu or shazam@unh.edu " 10321,8,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I called around to more places and got quotes for less than 600 and 425. Liability only, of course. Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all. So I won't go with the first place I called, that's fer sure. -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | " 10322,17,"From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: ""The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"" Lines: 16 backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ana > Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover > *was* last month :-) ^^^^^^^^^^ Josh, were you in such a hurry? WE celebrated Pesach THIS month, but only with Xtian blood! Muslim blood hasn't been declared ""Kosher le Pesach"" by our Hechscher (not yet) :-) :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manfredo Tichauer M. EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de Opitzstrasse 14 VOICE : (++ 49 40) 27.42.27 2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY FAX : (++ 49 40) 270.53.09 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10323,14,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: NASA ""Wraps"" News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 133 In the April edition of ""One Small Step for a Space Activist"", Allen Sherzer & Tim Kyger write: ""Another problem is what are called 'wraps' (or sometimes the 'center tax'). When work for a large program like Freedom or Shuttle is performed at a NASA center, the center skims off a portion which goes into what amounts to a slush fund. This money is used to fund work the center manager wants to fund. This sum is estimated to be over a third of the funds allocated. Think about that: Of the $30 billion cost of Freedom, fully $10 billion won't be spent on anything having anything to do with Space Stations! Now, maybe that $10 billion was wisely spent (and maybe it wasn't), but the work done with it should stand on its own merits, not distorting the cost of other projects. Congress has no idea of the existense of these wraps; Congress has never heard the term 'center tax'. They look at the Station they are getting and the price they are paying and note that it doesn't add up. They wonder this blissfully unaware that a third of the money is going for something else."" My dear friends, your mixing fact and fiction here. A couple of weeks ago, when I first read this in your posting, I talked with one of the cost experts here in Space Station at Headquarters [if you wondering why I didn't post a response immediately, I do have a real job I'm supposed to be doing here at Headquarters, & digging up old 20 kHz data & looking into Sherzer/Kyger claims rates pretty low on the totem pole of priority. Also, I spent last weekend in Kansas City, at the National Science Teachers Association conference, extolling the virtues of SSF to 15,000 science teachers.] First off, yes, the concept of 'center tax', or 'wrap' does exist. If I recall the numbers correctly, the total 'tax' for the SSF program for this fiscal year is around $40 Million. This was computed by adding up the WP-1, WP-2, and WP-4 center 'taxes'. With the SSF budget for this fiscal year at $2.2 Billion, my calculater says the tax percentage is 04/2.2 = 1.8% Over the life of the SSF program, using your figure of $30 billion for the cost of SSF, a tax at a 1.8% rate comes to $540 million. This is alot less than $10 billion, but I will concede it's still an appreciable amount of pocket change. I should note that your estimate of the tax rate at 1/3 could be close to the actual rate. The tax is only charged on funds that are spent at the center (kind of like McDonalds at some states, where you do have to pay sales tax if you eat the food at the restaurant, but you don't if you get it take-out). For example, at WP-4, the vast bulk of the funds we receive go to the Rocketdyne Contract, and are *NOT* subject to the center tax (I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd guess at least 95% of the WP-4 funds go to Rocketdyne). So, you could be right about a tax rate of 1/3, but it's only applied to funds spent at the center, and not to the prime contracts. This leads to the obvious question ""What is the government doing with SSF funds that don't go to the prime contractors? (i.e. ok, WP-4 gets a slice of the $30 billion pie. A big portion of this slice goes to Rocketdyne. What happens to the balance of the funds, which aren't eaten up by the center tax?)"" At WP-4, we call these funds we spend in-house supporting development funds (as they are supporting the development work done by Rocketdyne). We have used these funds to setup our own testbed, to checkout the electrical power system architecture. Our testbed has a real life solar array field (left over from solar cell research research a few years back), with lead-acid car batteries (to simulate the Nickel-Hydrogen batteries on SSF), DC switchgear, DC-DC converter units, and simulated loads. Data from the testbed was used in a recent change evaluation involving concerns about the stability of the power system. We have also used the supporting development money to purchase Nickel Hydrogen batteries, which are on life testing at both Lewis and the Crane Naval facility in Indiana. As a side point, 6 of the battery cells on test recently hit the four year life test milestone. 38 cells have completed 18,552 to 23,405 cycles (the on-orbit batteries go through 5,840 cycles per year). As a final example, my 'home' division at Lewis used the supporting development funds to purchase personal computers and work stations, for performing system analyses (like modeling of the performance of the electrical power system, availability calculations using a Monte-Carlo simulation, setting up a database with information on weight of the power system elements). Finally, the money raised by the 'tax' does not all go into a 'slush fund.' At Lewis, the director does control a small discretionary fund. Each year, any individual at Lewis can submit a proposal to the director to get money from this fund to look at pretty much anything within the Lewis Charter. Most of the tax, however, goes to fund the 'general' services at the Center, like the library, the central computer services division, the Contractor who removes the snow, etc. Thus, it is rather difficult to determine what percentage of the SSF budget doesn't go for SSF activities. To get an accurate figure, you would have to take the annual expenditure for the library (for example), and then divide by the amount of the library funds used to support SSF (which would be hard to compute by itself - how would you figure out what percentage of the bill for Aviation Week for 1 year is 'billable' to SSF, would you base it on the person-hours SSF employees spend reading AV-week versus the rest of the center personnel). You would then have to compare this estimate of the SSF portion of the library expense with the portion of the tax that goes to support the library. Who knows, maybe SSF overpays on the tax to run the library, but we underpay for snow removal? Talk about a burecratic nightmare! My last point is that I can't believe your claim that Congress has never heard of the term 'center tax.' Unfortunately, all of the NASA testimony before Congress isn't on a computer, so I can't do a simple word search someplace to prove you wrong. But surely, in some GAO audit somewhere, these NASA cost methods were documented for Congress? " 10324,0,"From: qpliu@ernie.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: ernie.princeton.edu Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >In article <16BA5DA01.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the >> presence of an omniscient being? >""Will"" is ""self-determination"". In other words, God created conscious >beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently >of God. All ""will"", therefore, is ""free will"". So these hypothetical conscious beings can ignore any influences of their circumstances (their genetics, their environment, their experiences) which are not all self-determined? (Of course, the idea of Hell makes the idea of ""free will"" dubious. On the other hand, the idea of Hell is not a very powerful idea. ""A Parable for You ""There was once our main character who blah blah blah. ""One day, a thug pointed a mean looking gun at OMC, and said, 'Do what I say, or I'm blasting you to hell.' ""OMC thought, 'If I believe this thug, and follow the instructions that will be given, I'll avoid getting blasted to hell. On the other hand, if I believe this thug, and do not follow the instructions that will be given, I'll get blasted to hell. Hmm... the more attractive choice is obvious, I'll follow the instructions.' Now, OMC found the choice obvious because everything OMC had learned about getting blasted to hell made it appear very undesirable. ""But then OMC noticed that the thug's gun wasn't a real gun. The thug's threats were make believe. ""So OMC ignored the thug and resumed blah blah blah."") -- qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated. " 10325,13,"From: calzone@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-56.mit.edu >Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and >re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless >cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. > >What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded >goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's >favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- >check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling >VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS? You are absolutely daft. No flame required. You lack a brain. > ...[sic]... >Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes >which are the units of genetics. Well... at least you're educated, it seems. But give credit where credit is due: to Richard Dawkin(s?) (the meme is a meme he invented) -zone " 10326,12,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: TV RECEPTION: HEELLLPPP!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 At 50 miles, a conventional set of TV antennas on a pole (one aimed at each transmitter location) should work well. ""Rabbit ears"" inside the house are probably not adequate. Gadgets to plug into your house wiring are even worse. At VHF, you don't want a _big_ antenna, you want a _resonant_ antenna. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 10327,15,"From: luom@storm.cs.orst.edu (Luo Martha BaoMing) Subject: summer program Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University Lines: 8 Does anyone know any good decipleship trainning program during min August to end of Sept. Or any missionary programs. I currently belong to the Missionary Alliance Church in Oregon. Please reply by mail. thanks. ---- luom@storm.cs.orst.edu " 10328,9,"From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) Subject: Re: Let it be Known Nntp-Posting-Host: koufax.cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA Lines: 15 In article <93104.233239ISSBTL@BYUVM.BITNET>, writes: |> I would like to make everyone aware that in winning the NL West the Atlanta |> Braves did not lead wire-to-wire. Through games of 4/14/93 the Houston |> Astros are percentage points ahead of the ""unbeatable"" Braves. And they deserve to be, if for no other reason than salvaging a little of the honor of the NL West. The supposed strongest division in baseball lost 6 of 7 to the East yesterday, with only the Astros prevailing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula@koufax.cv.hp.com Paul Andresen Hewlett-Packard (503)-750-3511 home: 3006 NW McKinley Corvallis, OR 97330 (503)-752-8424 A SABR member since 1979 " 10329,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 25 In article <115565@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > >>I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which >>ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim >>community in the Uk and elsewhere. > >Grow up, childish propagandist. > Gosh, Gregg. I'm pretty good a reading between the lines, but you've given me precious little to work with in this refutation. Could you maybe flesh it out just a bit? Or did I miss the full grandeur of it's content by virtue of my blinding atheism? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 10330,8,"From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.eng.tridom.com Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) Organization: AT&T Tridom, Engineering Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr20.163315.8876@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: > }1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have > }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too > }ignorant to know I need to buy) > > The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed: > > Helmet (new, but cheap) $100 > Jacket (used or very cheap) $100 > Gloves (nothing special) $ 20 > Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!) $140 ^^^ Wow! Courses in Georgia are much cheaper. $85 for both. > The list looks good, but I'd also add: Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar) $45 Think Peace. -- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com) KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J) AMA# 634578 DOD# 4210 PGP key available " 10331,2,"From: mb4008@ehibm6.cen.uiuc.edu (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Hard drive compression ie, stacker.superstor etc. Summary: looking for comparsions between the various hard drive compression utilitys Keywords: stacker superstor doubledisk doublespace Article-I.D.: news.C5w8r9.EBu Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows comp.os.ms-windows.apps Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 6 I was wondering if any one knew how the various hard drive compression utilities work. My hard drive is getting full and I don't want to have to buy a new one. What I'm intrested in is speed ,ease of use, amount of compression, and any other aspect you think might be important as I've never use one of these things before. thanks Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu " 10332,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Limited governments versus failed governments Organization: Just a Boomer, Inc. Lines: 49 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <16APR199317110543@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... > >> >:This is a strawman argument and fails on several grounds. In this case, >:""limited"" and ""big"" government are not defined. I would point out that >:Lebanon, Somalia, and the former Yugoslavia are by some definitions nations >:with ""limited"" government, while the US, Canada, and nations in Western >:Europe (where ""people would rather live"") are often pointed out as >:nations with ""big government"" from a libertarian point of view. > >Well, let me help by explaining the difference between a linited government >and a failed government. A limited government has its powers clearly >circumscribed, but is fully capable of enforcing its decisions within >those circumscribed areas. A failed government is incapable of >enforcing its decisions except sporadicly. Two completely different beasts. Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using government power for their own ends. But apart from that little conundrum... It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose that never seems to occur?... > >> >:The argument is not between those who want ""limited"" government and those >:who want ""unlimited"" government. It is between those who believe >:government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and >:those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical >:grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds. > > >...""regulation"" is such a vauge word... I wouldn't call it ""vague."" I'd call it elastic. All ""regulation"" is not necessarily the same. By opposing all government regulation, some libertarians treat every system from a command economy to those that regulate relatively free markets as identical. That's one reason many of the rest of us find their analysis to be simplistic. jsh >Mr. Grinch -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 10333,19,"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se Distribution: world Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England Lines: 89 Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok In article Fo2@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: >>In this case, the Driver does not evolve but simply Is. There would >>probably not be any manifestation in an infant because the Moral >>Code has not been learnt yet (ie. the object upon which the Driver >>acts upon). > >Without manifestation, though, how can the Driver be detected? For >all purposes it seems not to exist until Moral Coding begins. >Actually, I agree with your notion of a Driver, except that I think >it's not moral but pre- (and super-)moral. It is, as I mentioned >earlier in this thread, a primal sense of connection, a pre- and >post-natal umbilical the awareness of which is expressed in a >partial, fragmented way that accomodates (and forms, in return) the >language and customs of a given culture. This halting, pidgin-english >expression is, I think, what we come to call 'morality'. Compare the Driver to an urge such as Jealousy, where there is an urge and an ""object"". The jealousy does not technically exist until the object is apparent. However, the capacity to be jealous is presumably still there even though it is not detectable. Your description of the Unbilical took me three passes to understand (!) but I get the gist and I have to tentatively agree. I think our two definitions can sit side by side without too much trouble, though. I haven't attempted to define the reason behind the Moral Driver (only hinted through the essence of each Moral). Your definition hints that animals are also capable of a similar morality - Simians have a similar Social Order to ourselves and it is easy to anthropomorphize with these animals. Is this possible or have I misunderstood? > >>>>If my suggestion holds true then this is the area where work must be >>>>carried out to prevent a moral deterioration of Society, > >>>What kind of work, exactly? > >>Well, here you have asked the BIG question. [...] >>I have a slight suspicion that you were hoping I would say >>something really contentious in this reply (from your final question). > >No, not at all. I was just wondering if you subscribed to some >particular school of psycho-social thought and rehabilitation, and if >perhaps you had a plan. I'd have been interested to hear it. > My p.s. thoughts falls roughly in line with John Stuart Mill and his writings on Utilitarianism. I have no particular plan (except to do my bit - personal ethics AND social work). My opinion (for what it is worth) is that the Authority for each Moral must be increased somehow, and that this will probably take several generations to be effective. I don't think that the list of Morals has changed for Society significantly, though . The Authority element may come from our authority figures and roles models (see Eric Berne and his transactional analysis work [+ Mavis Klein] for references) and this is what gives rise to a deterioration of moral standards in the long term. I've had some more thoughts on my definitions: I've was thinking that I should add Moral Character to the list of definitions in order to get a dynamic version of the Moral Nature (ie. the interplay of the Moral Code and associated Authorities). A suitable analogy might be a graphic equaliser on a HiFi system - the Moral Nature being the set of frequencies and the chosen 'amplitudes', and the Moral Character being the spectrum over time. Conscience is a little more difficult because I can't define it as the reasoning of a person between actions in the context of his Moral Nature because Conscience seems to cut in most of the time unbidden and often unwanted. I think Conscience is manifest when a decision is made at a given time which compromises one's Moral Nature. My Conscience fits in more with Freud's SuperEgo (plus the Moral Driver) with the stimulous being the urges or Freud's Id. The reasoning that I mentioned before is Freud's Ego, I suppose. If the Moral Driver is part of the Id then the reason why Conscience cuts in unbidden is partially explained. The question is ""what provides the stimulous to activate the Moral driver?"". I think I need some more time with this one. That's about it for now! David. --- On religion: ""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, As they swam its clearness through. " 10334,2,"Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows? From: hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein) Distribution: world Organization: /home/staff/hjstein/.organization NNTP-Posting-Host: sunrise.huji.ac.il In-reply-to: paladin@world.std.com's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1993 21:40:44 GMT Lines: 6 I've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied with it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386 version, and a windows version. Harvey Stein hjstein@math.huji.ac.il " 10335,15,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 8 In article jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) writes: >I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? Yes, he was. He also played Jesus in ""Jesus Christ Superstar"" before he became a Christian. He played in Black Sabbath right after he first got saved, but then left it. Link Hudson. " 10336,2,"From: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley) Subject: Windows Backgrounds Reply-To: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, Essex Lines: 21 Help, I'm bored with the current Windows backgrounds we have here and am looking for some nifty pictures to use instead. I've seen from previous posts that many sites exist that store pictures - available through anonymous ftp. Except that I can't ftp to remote sites from my machine, what I CAN do is use 'ftpmail' - mail a list of commands to a server and receive a mail of files, and/or data back. Does anyone know of sites, with Windows compatible pictures, that can be accessed in such a way??? If you do would you please post them. TIA Mark. PS. Maybe this would make a useful FAQ |--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------| | mark.whalley@gec-mrc.co.uk | 'Only in silence the word, | | Phone +44 245 473331 Exn. 3114 | Only in darkness light, | | The views expressed here are mine, | Only in dying life, | | all mine, and nothing whatsoever to | Bright the hawk's flight on the | | do with GEC-MRC. | empty sky' - Ursula K. Le Guin | |--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------| " 10337,12,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu > I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that > this board would be most appropriate. try sci.energy Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC " 10338,5,"From: bentz@blustone.uucp (Ray Bentz) Subject: SPARC IPC Sprite goes off screen Organization: Bluestone Consulting Inc. Lines: 21 Environment: X11R4 Motif 1.1.4 Sun IPC 4.1.3 Problem: When mouse is moved across screen horizontally, the sprite goes off of the edge of the screen and reappears at the *other* edge. It appears that the server thinks we are running in multi-screen mode; the cursor seems to ""wrap"" from one side of the screen to the other. As far as we can tell, we are not running the server in multi-screen mode. Please reply via E-mail. -- Ray Bentz Phone: (609)727-4600 Bluestone Consulting, Inc. Fax: (609)778-8125 1200 Church Street uunet: uunet!blustone!bentz Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 Internet: blustone!bentz@uunet.uu.net " 10339,4,"From: deguzman@after.math.uiuc.edu (A A DeGuzman) Subject: Non-Apple Mini-Docks available? Reply-To: a-deguzman@uiuc.edu Organization: Calculus&Mathematica at UIUC Lines: 10 My boss is considering the purchase of a Powerbook or Duo. He is leaning towards a 180, because of the math coprocessor (for Mathematica), but would get a Duo if he could find a Mini-Dock with a coprocessor. Have any third-parties announced such a beast? -- Alan A. DeGuzman ""Genius is never understood in it's own time."" Calculus&Mathematica DISCLAIMER: ""The University - Calvin to Hobbes from can't afford my opinions."" 'The Indispensible Calvin and Hobbes' " 10340,1,"From: pest@konech.UUCP (Wolfgang Pest) Subject: Speedstar 24 - how to program the TrueColor mode ? Distribution: world Organization: Kontron Elektronik GmbH Eching, Germany Lines: 17 Hello, I purchased my new 486 with a NoName graphics card installed which is obviously Speedstar 24 compatible. Its name is ""VGA 4000 TrueColor"". It is accompanied with some drivers and the utilities VMODE, XMODE and at least one more MODE, as well as some drivers for Lotus, Windows, etc. Only one of the drivers is told to provide the TrueColor mode, namely the Windows 3.1 driver. Nowhere else, except in the ad, is any pointer to the TrueColor mode. Some articles in this group about the Speedstar 24 and some other facts made me believe that my card is compatible to that one. Does anybody out there know how this mode can be adjusted? How can I write a driver which allows me to have 16.7 millions of colors with a resolution of 640 x 480 with 45 Hz interlaced ? Greetings, Wolfgang " 10341,5,From: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) Subject: transparent widgets--how? Organization: The Internet Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Cc: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp I need to write an application which does annotation notes on existing documents. The annotation could be done several times by different people. The idea is something like having several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen something like this being done by the oclock client. Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt? Thank you very much. 10342,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.175302.25180@sarah.albany.edu> js8484@albnyvms.bitnet writes: >In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu>, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: >> >> 1)Spike Owen. Sure, he's hitting like crazy, but the guy *cannot* >> field to save his life! And they said he was brought in to >> provide defense? Velarde, Stankiewicz, and even Silvestri >> are better defensively than Owen. > >Remember - it's still early. Look for his offense to tail off, and >his defense to improve (hopefully). He has that rep because I heard >that either last year, or over the last 5 years, or something like >that - he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league >shortstops - behind C.R. and Tony (I'm not gonna help this sorry Mets >team at all) Fernandez. I do agree though that he has not looked all >that impressive in the field thus far. Owen only has one error so far, I believe. That seriously underrepresents the harm he has done in the field. Owen will cleanly play any ball he reaches. He will have a fine fielding percentage, like always. The problem is that he doesn't reach anything that isn't hit straight at him! This wouldn't be quite as obvious a problem if he were playing next to Kelly Gruber or Robin Ventura. But the third baseman for the Yankees is Wade Boggs (who should have moved across the diamond *last* year)! I've only seen one game, Abbott's first start, but there were three balls hit to the left side which would have been stopped by quality defensive players. Instead they were charged as hits against Abbott. Cheers, -Valentine " 10343,19,"From: donc@microsoft.com (Don Corbitt) Subject: Re: Christian Owned Organization list Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr16.232149.22105@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu wrote: > Sorry, but Mormons aren't generally considered to be Christians. > >-- > >=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= > >=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= > >=""Do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade? A perfume that whispers, = > >='please come back to me'? I'm looking for something in Green.""-Laurie Morgan= Sorry, but it doesn't matter what _you_ think, I am a Christian, who happens to belong to the LDS Church. [The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints]. I don't usually read t.r.m. It is truly informative to stop by, and see that there are still people in the world like those that forced my ancestors into the deserts of Utah, and then out of the country entirely. (My grandmother was born in Mexico, where her family had moved to escape religious persecution in the US). I'm willing to admit that members of other churches are Christians, if they believe in Christ and (try to) follow his teachings, even though they have different interpretations of the bible. And yet these other churches often go out of their way to define whether or not I am considered to be Christian. Could someone mail me a set of rules/beliefs that must be followed to be a Christian? Does this set of rules exclude other large bodies of believers? I know, this is a waste of everyone's time, this has probably been discussed N times, etc. I guess I'm more sensitive to this 'demonization' after what went on in Texas. -- Don Corbitt, donc@microsoft.com Mail flames, post apologies. Support short .sigs, three lines max. (I consider this a rebuttal, not a flame...) " 10344,15,"From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: src Lines: 39 dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >I find it interesting that cls never answered any of the questions posed. >Then he goes on the make statements which make me shudder. He has >established a two-tiered God. One set of rules for the Jews (his people) >and another set for the saved Gentiles (his people). Why would God >discriminate? Does the Jew who accepts Jesus now have to live under the >Gentile rules. > >God has one set of rules for all his people. Paul was never against the >law. In fact he says repeatedly that faith establishes rather that annuls >the law. Paul's point is germane to both Jews and Greeks. The Law can >never be used as an instrument of salvation. And please do not combine >the ceremonial and moral laws in one. > >In Matt 5:14-19 Christ plainly says what He came to do and you say He was >only saying that for the Jews's benefit. Your Christ must be a >politician, speaking from both sides of His mouth. As Paul said, ""I have >not so learned Christ."" Forget all the theology, just do what Jesus says. > Your excuses will not hold up in a court of law on earth, far less in >God's judgement hall. Pardon me for being a little confused, but at the beginning of your second paragraph, you say, ""God has one set of rules for all his people,"" yet at the end of the same paragraph you declare, ""please do not combine the ceremonial and moral laws in one."" Not only do I not understand where in the Bible you find the declaration that there are 2 laws (ceremonial and moral), but I am also unclear on whether you think it is bad to have 2 sets of laws in the first place. If it's bad to have 2 sets of laws, how can there be a ceremonial law that is different from the moral law (and vice versa)? I would also be interested in your comments on the passage in I Cor. 10:1-16, where Paul teaches different rules for covering you head while praying depending on whether you are a man or a woman. Do you think the apostles can prescribe different sets of rules for men and women? If so, then why not for Jews and Gentiles? Also, why did Paul, who was so opposed to circumcising Gentiles, voluntarily circumcise Timothy? - Mark " 10345,2,"From: dericks@plains.NoDak.edu (Dale Erickson) Subject: Telix problem Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 9 When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email or send it to the news group. Thanks. Dale Erickson dericks@plains.nodak.edu -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ " 10346,18,"From: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) Subject: Re: rnitedace and violence Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: usa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 28 I am glad that you recognize that people should not engage in denial and repression, and should acknowledge such. The United States, with its people, have recognized that repression has taken place, with the loss and outright abrogation of civil liberties and constitutional protections of citizens. This recognition has taken the form of the civil rights law (let's just discuss the federal level for now), such as 18 USC 241 et. seq., 42 USC 1981 et. seq, et. al. With this recognition of repression, at times manifested in the form of collective guilt, I want people to recognize denial. Though it can be said that white people numerically commit more crimes in the United States, because white people are a majority, it can also be said that black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime in the United States, in their relation to their numbers in population. My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer in a large metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people account for their behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate community, nothing will improve. Regards, Neal " 10347,17,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20 Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 111 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993 Not because you were too busy but because Israelists in the US media spiked it. ................ THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday. The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and occupied West Bank. Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.'' When the girls fled, the soldiers threw empty bottles at them. On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school. The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth escaped from them at a boys' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them against a wall, and put their arms around them. When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat him with the butts of their rifles. On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the beating. On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening. The army said it was checking the reports. .................... ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper. Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter. ``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,'' said Father George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish. Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre. Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation of requesting permits to reach holy sites. Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian celebrations. ``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption. But we cannot reach our holiest sites,'' he said. An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf's speech, demanding to see his identity card before ordering the crowd to leave. ................... If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and let him know what you think. 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe) clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online) clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail) Tell 'em ARF sent ya. .................................. If you are tired of ""learning"" about American foreign policy from what is effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American Education Trust at: (800) 368 5788 Tell 'em arf sent you. js " 10348,8,"Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: rec Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 9 >>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said: > Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front. See, it just HOPS into the air! Figure. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. " 10349,15,"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 12 In jprzybyl@skidmore.edu writes: > I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a > MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and Why should he have been any different ""then""? Ozzy Osbourne, ex-singer and main character of the Black Sabbath of good ole days past, is and always was a devout catholic. Or so I've heard over on the alt.rock-n-roll.metal newsgroups, an' I figure those folks oughta know.. -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" " 10350,5,"From: kssingvo@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Singvogel) Subject: xswarm enhancement? Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen Reply-To: kssingvo@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de NNTP-Posting-Host: faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 8 Has anybody the xswarm enhacemened to use it with more than one wasp? Please E-Mail me, because I don't read this group any longer. Thanks in advance, Klaus. --- Klaus Singvogel --- E-Mail: kssingvo@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de " 10351,2,"From: debrown@hubcap.clemson.edu (David E. Brown) Subject: Re: Drivers for Stealth 24 Organization: Clemson University Lines: 16 Doug Ward writes: >I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received >the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper >drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with >this video card. Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu >Thank you >Doug Ward If you want to get them and get them now (also the most up to date) use the BBS at 1-408-439-9096. They may take an hour to download so do it when rates are low. Yeah, I know it costs but locking up your system gets old quick. Maybe someone has them on the net. I've got the Stealth drivers. David " 10352,5,"From: chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Hudel) Subject: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?) Keywords: plane, Xterminal Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 12 I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal. Aside from the ""real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers"", do I want this Xterminal? I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8 (colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit? [Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8] Thanks! -C- PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right? " 10353,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 21 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > >This is the reason I like the controversy of post-modernism, the >issues of polarities -- evil and good -- are just artificial >constructs, and they fall apart during a closer inspection. > >The more I look into the notion of a constant struggle between >the evil and good forces, the more it sounds like a metaphor >that people just assume without closer inspection. > More info please. I'm not well exposed to these ideas. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 10354,0,"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: nin Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", > because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. > Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my > point. Oh, Bobby. You're priceless. Did I ever tell you that? My policy with Bobby's posts, should anyone give a damn, is to flick through the thread at high speed, searching for posts of Bobby's which have generated a whole pile of followups, then go in and extract the hilarious quote inevitably present for .sig purposes. Works for me. For the guy who said he's just arrived, and asked whether Bobby's for real, you betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse. I have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone (Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff? ""In Allah's infinite wisdom, the universe was created from nothing, just by saying ""Be"", and it became. Therefore Allah exists."" --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #1 ""Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false."" --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2 ""Plus, to the believer, it would be contradictory to the Quran for Allah not to exist."" --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #3 and now ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my point."" -- Bobby Mozumder being Islamically Rigorous on alt.atheism Mmmmm. Quality *and* quantity from the New Voice of Islam (pbuh). Cheers Simon -- Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. " 10355,5,"From: wpwood@darkwing.austin.ibm.com Subject: GCC and Building the HP Widget Set on Linux Reply-To: wpwood@austin.ibm.com (Bill Woodward) Organization: The Institute of Knowledge on Jinx Lines: 30 I am currently attempting to get a copy of the HP Widget set compiled under Linux (SLS Release with kernel 99.6) and am running into some problems. Actually, it seems that this is more of a GCC question, because I got it to compile without trouble using cc on an RS/6000. Basically, there are a number of functions with prototypes set up in, let's say, CompositeP.h, for instance, the composite widget's insert_child procedure is set up with the type : typedef void (*XtWidgetProc) (Widget) but in several places in the HP source code, they reference the insert_child procedure and pass it multiple arguments instead of just one, as the prototype suggests. For example: (*superclass->composite_class.insert_child)(w, args, p_num_args) Now, GCC chokes on this, giving an error message that too many arguments are passed to the function. So, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to turn off this checking in GCC, or how I can go about changing the code to accomodate this call without changing /usr/include/X11/CompositeP.h, or has anyone successfully built the HP widget set and have any suggestions. Many thanks in advance for any help. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bill Woodward | wpwood@austin.ibm.com <-- Try this first AIX Software Support | billw@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com Graphics Group | 512-838-2834 I am the terror that flaps in the night. " 10356,11,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 19 In article , rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes: > I have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually > dishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously > refrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting > clients. > > Now, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning > as a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics > (truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics > (truth is understanding the external world). > > Maybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8) I suggest that you refrain from such insults unless and until you can produce some evidence to back up that claim. Given the measures proposed or passed in the last year or so, such as S.266 and the scanner ban, her proposal need not be any more than her own attempt at a technical solution. It's entirely possible, in fact, that it was the notion of splitting the key, which came up in the debate, that softened this proposal. " 10357,6,"From: ll12@quads.uchicago.edu (li liu) Subject: Florida vacation package forsale Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.060213.211 Reply-To: ll12@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 24 The package is called Sun and Sand, it includes: --5 days/ 4 nights(2+2) accommodations in Orlando and Daytona beach; --hotels are selected from major hotel chains and family resorts; --two adults and up to three children; --fully transferable; --expires at 09/93, $20 for extention of one more year; --it needs a 45 days advance reservation (esp. for peak season), the reservation department will offer a coupon book which may give you saving up to $150. --price: I bought it for $199, which is a good deal for peak seasons. For now, I will not turn down any reasonable offers. must sell. It doesn't include transportation. And you have to pay $3/day for hotel tax. Please e-mail your respond. " 10358,13,"From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) Organization: Rosemount, Inc. Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: aquarius stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: : Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain : chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a : cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is : a specialized example), and perhaps other uses. True. : These electric fields change with location and time in a large : organism. Also True. : Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in : Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances : caused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Not really. Kirlian photography is taking pictures of the corona discharge from objects (animate or inanimate). The fields applied to the objects are millions of times larger than any biologically created fields. If you want to record the biologically created electric fields, you've got to use low-noise, high-gain sensors typical of EEGs and EKGs. Kirlian photography is just phun-with-physics type stuff (right up there with soaking chunks of extra-fine steel wool in liquid oxygen then hitting them with a hammer -- which, like a Kirlean setup, is fun but possibly dangerous). : Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in : organisms when better understood. Perhaps not. Probably not. -- Grant Edwards |Yow! Vote for ME -- I'm Rosemount Inc. |well-tapered, half-cocked, |ill-conceived and grante@aquarius.rosemount.com |TAX-DEFERRED! " 10359,0,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! In-Reply-To: <930416.141520.7h1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 15 >DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100 >FROM: mathew > >The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's >finished writing a sequel to the Bible. > >mathew Writing the Seven Seals or something along those lines. He's already written the first of the Seven which was around 30 pages or so and has handed it over to an assistant for PROOFREADING!. I would expect any decent messiah to have a built-in spellchecker. Maybe Koresh 2.0 will come with one. " 10360,19,"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 16 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, >then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. >Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments >before, and they just don't convince me. Be warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of the Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only here to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am ""out of the loop"". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God. ------------- Brian Ceccarelli brian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu " 10361,1,"From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Article-I.D.: pdxgate.7272 Organization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> mcmains@unt.edu (Sean McMains) writes: > >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D A 68070 is just a 68010 with a built in MMU. I don't even think that Moto. manufactures them. - Ian Romanick Dancing Fool of Epsilon []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] | Were the contained thoughts 'opinions', EPN.NTSC.quality = Best| | PSU would probably not agree with them. | | | | ""Look, I don't know anything about | | douche, but I do know Anti-Freeze | | when I see it!"" - The Dead Milkmen | []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] " 10362,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Article-I.D.: mojo.1qkmkiINNep3 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes: > >There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, >this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. Damn! So it was YOU who was drinking beer with ROBERT McELWANE in the PARKING LOT of the K-MART! UNLIMITED INSEMINATION OF THIS MESSAGE RIGIDLY REFUSED Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 10363,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: IC Packages Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr16.142715.12613@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) writes: >Hi, > I am looking for some help in choosing a package >for a high-speed silicon ADC (100Mhz) currently being >fabricated. This is a PhD research project and I have to test >the chip at speed on a PCB. I expect to have roughly 100 >packaged circuits and will do DC, low-speed and high-speed >testing using 3 different set-ups for the test chip. > > I know for sure that a DIP will not work >(the long lead lines have too high an inductance). >Getting a custom-made package is too expensive, so >I am trying to choose between a flatpak and a >leadless chip carrier. The flatpack would be hard >to test since it has to be soldered on to the test >setup and I would spend loads of time soldering >as I kept changing the test chip. The leadless chip >carrier sockets also have long lead lines and may >not work at high speeds. > > Does anyone out there have experience/knowledge >of this field ? I would greatly appreciate help! Any ideas/ >names of companies manufacturing holders/sockets/packages >would help. > >P.S. The multi-layer fancy GaAs packages seem like a bit >of overkill(?) > > --- Seema Varma You didn't mention whether or not cost is an issue. Where exactly are you running 100MHz?? THe digital side? TTL? ECL? We run 200MHz and 100MHz all over our IC test equipment all day long in the ECL domain, and we use DIP's along with PLCC's, 25mil and 20mil pitch 256pin QFP's to name a few. I don't see a problem in packaging as long as you adhere to sound engineering practices. A good source of information is Motorola's MECL System Design Handbook. The latest ed. is dated 2/88. That is considered to be one of the *bibles* in high-speed design. The very fact that you need to build a test fixture means you're most likely going to need a socket. It in itself has far more inductance per pin than the package you are testing, not to mention any impedance discontinuities. I don't see the big concern over the packaging because it probably isn't going to make that much difference If you're trying to get TTL to run at 100MHz, have fun... TTL was never designed to run in a 100MHz environment. :-( aaron P.S. My opinions have nothing to do with my company...the standard disclaimer applies. " 10364,1,"From: sas58295@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lord Soth ) Subject: MPEG for MS-DOS Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 13 Does anyone know where I can FTP MPEG for DOS from? Thanks for any help in advance. Email is preferred but posting is fine. Scott --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Lord Soth, Knight |||| email to --> LordSoth@uiuc |||||||| | of the Black Rose |||| NeXT to ---> sas58295@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu |||||||| | @}--'-,--}-- ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | I have no clue what I want to say in here so I won't say anything. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10365,15,"From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 127 Hello src readers, Again the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox Churches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion about it a while ago. In article db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: > >The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism. This was a >heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. It >grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus >are two different people who happened to be united in the same body >temporarily. Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia >and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. Then OFM comments : > > >[These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different >things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously >different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I >don't think there's any question that there is a problem with >Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form >without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be >a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions >suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from >orthodoxy as many had thought. With my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration is needed. This is an excerpt from an article featured in the first issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter : Under the authority of the Eastern Roman Empire of Constantinople (as opposed to the western empire of Rome), the Patriarchs and Popes of Alexandria played leading roles in Christian theology. They were invited everywhere to speak about the Christian faith. St. Cyril, Pope of Alexandria, was the head of the Ecumenical Council which was held in Ephesus in the year 430 A.D. It was said that the bishops of the Church of Alexandria did nothing but spend all their time in meetings. This leading role, however, did not fare well when politics started to intermingle with Church affairs. It all started when the Emperor Marcianus interfered with matters of faith in the Church. The response of St. Dioscorus, the Pope of Alexandria who was later exiled, to this interference was clear: ""You have nothing to do with the Church."" These political motives became even more apparent in Chalcedon in 451, when the Coptic Church was unfairly accused of following the teachings of Eutyches, who believed in monophysitism. This doctrine maintains that the Lord Jesus Christ has only one nature, the divine, not two natures, the human as well as the divine. The Coptic Church has never believed in monophysitism the way it was portrayed in the Council of Chalcedon! In that Council, monophysitism meant believing in one nature. Copts believe that the Lord is perfect in His divinity, and He is perfect in His humanity, but His divinity and His humanity were united in one nature called ""the nature of the incarnate word"", which was reiterated by St. Cyril of Alexandria. Copts, thus, believe in two natures ""human"" and ""divine"" that are united in one ""without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration"" (from the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy). These two natures ""did not separate for a moment or the twinkling of an eye"" (also from the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy). The Coptic Church was misunderstood in the 5th century at the Council of Chalcedon. Perhaps the Council understood the Church correctly, but they wanted to exile the Church, to isolate it and to abolish the Egyptian, independent Pope. Despite all of this, the Coptic Church has remained very strict and steadfast in its faith. Whether it was a conspiracy from the Western Churches to exile the Coptic Church as a punishment for its refusal to be politically influenced, or whether Pope Dioscurus didn't quite go the extra mile to make the point that Copts are not monophysite, the Coptic Church has always felt a mandate to reconcile ""semantic"" differences between all Christian Churches. This is aptly expressed by the current 117th successor of St. Mark, Pope Shenouda III: ""To the Coptic Church, faith is more important than anything, and others must know that semantics and terminology are of little importance to us."" Throughout this century, the Coptic Church has played an important role in the ecumenical movement. The Coptic Church is one of the founders of the World Council of Churches. It has remained a member of that council since 1948 A.D. The Coptic Church is a member of the all African Council of Churches (AACC) and the Middle East Council of Churches (MECC). The Church plays an important role in the Christian movement by conducting dialogues aiming at resolving the theological differences with the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Presbyterian, and Evangelical Churches. [...] As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of Monophysitism was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in Monophysitism. Peace, Nabil .-------------------------------------------------------------. / Nabil Ayoub ____/ __ / ____/ / / Engine Research Center / / / / / / Dept. of Mechanical Engineering ___/ __ / / / / University of Wisconsin-Madison / / | / / / Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu _____/ __/ _| _____/ / '-------------------------------------------------------------' [As I mentioned in a brief apology, the comment quoted above from me is confused. I appear to say that Nestorius was monophysite. As Andrew Byler correctly stated it, the Nestorians and monophysites were actually opposite parties. The point I was making, which Nabil explains in some detail, is that some groups that have been considered heretical probably aren't. Chalcedon was a compromise between two groups, the Alexandrians and Antiochenes. It adopted language that was intended to be acceptable to moderates in both camps, while ruling out the extremes. I agree that there were extremes that were heretical. However in the course of the complex politics of the time, it appears that some people got rejected who didn't intend heresy, but simply used language that was not understood or even was mispresented. And some seem not to have jointed in the compromise for reasons other than doctrine. There are groups descended from both of the supposedly heretical camps. This posting discussed the descendants of the Alexandrians. There are also a remaining Nestorians. Like some of the current so-called monophysites, there is reason to believe that the current so-called Nestorians are not heretical either. They sheltered Nestorius from what they saw as unfair treatment, but claim they did not adopt his heresies, and in fact seem to follow more moderate representatives of the Antiochene tradition. --clh] " 10366,3,"From: erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin Erzberger) Subject: Re: Monitor for XGA News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: sangria Reply-To: erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin Erzberger) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science In <1993Apr15.211053.35792@watson.ibm.com> kaul@vnet.ibm.com writes: >my home Viewsonic 6. I like the Multisyncs because it's easy to run them >in modes like 800x600x64k colors noninterlaced, or at higher modes like >1360x1024x16. Oh yeah! I just got my new Eizo Flexscan yesterday (to replace my old 8515), and I tried it with 1360x1024. This mode is just great! I can get four perfectly readable command windows on the screen! And if I need more colors, I can go back to 1024x768 or even 800x600. One thing I am wondering though: Why isn't there a MONxxxx.DGS file which contains ALL the resolutions up to 1360x1024? Now I have to change the XGASETUP.PRO every time I want to switch, instead of simply going through the system settings of OS/2. Regards, Martin Erzberger " 10367,2,"From: schwenk@fred.cis.udel.edu (Peter A. Schwenk) Subject: Does Win3.1 use a math co-processor? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.cis.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 6 If a PC has one, does Windows 3.1 use a math co-processor? I'm not talking about specific apps, but the OS (if you want to call it that) itself? Please respond by email. - Peter Schwenk (schwenk@cis.udel.edu) " 10368,0," howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!tubsibr!dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de!I3150101 Subject: Re: Gospel Dating From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 35 In article <66015@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: (Deletion) >I cannot see any evidence for the V. B. which the cynics in this group would >ever accept. As for the second, it is the foundation of the religion. >Anyone who claims to have seen the risen Jesus (back in the 40 day period) >is a believer, and therefore is discounted by those in this group; since >these are all ancients anyway, one again to choose to dismiss the whole >thing. The third is as much a metaphysical relationship as anything else-- >even those who agree to it have argued at length over what it *means*, so >again I don't see how evidence is possible. > No cookies, Charlie. The claims that Jesus have been seen are discredited as extraordinary claims that don't match their evidence. In this case, it is for one that the gospels cannot even agree if it was Jesus who has been seen. Further, there are zillions of other spook stories, and one would hardly consider others even in a religious context to be some evidence of a resurrection. There have been more elaborate arguments made, but it looks as if they have not passed your post filtering. >I thus interpret the ""extraordinary claims"" claim as a statement that the >speaker will not accept *any* evidence on the matter. It is no evidence in the strict meaning. If there was actual evidence it would probably be part of it, but the says nothing about the claims. Charlie, I have seen Invisible Pink Unicorns! By your standards we have evidence for IPUs now. Benedikt " 10369,5,"From: herzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SunSoft Product Engineering) Subject: Re: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic Organization: Sun Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dogwalk In article <1r3th9INNdtp@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> rank@winf.uni-passau.de (Christian Rank) writes: >I've installed X11R5 with patches for Solaris 2.1 on our SPARCstation LX / >SPARCclassic pool. On the LX, X11R5 runs fine, but on the classics, >after giving the command startx, Xsun prints the following messages: > WARNING: cg3_mmap: can't map dummy space! > Mapping cg3c: No such device or address >and exits. > >Does anybody know how to fix this problem? I'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have 1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is 1024x768. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I do not represent SunSoft, Inc., Sun Microsystems, Inc., etc., etc. Brian Herzog, SunSoft herzog@Eng.Sun.COM ...!sun!eng!herzog " 10370,13,"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: your service Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com Jason Chen writes: > Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one > suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But > if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. ---------- Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left out the part about ""we all ate the same thing."" Changes things a bit, eh? You complain that people blame MSG automatically, since it's an unknown and therefore must be the cause. It is equally (if not more) unreasonable to defend it, automatically assuming that it CAN'T be the culprit. Pepper makes me sneeze. If it doesn't affect you the same way, fine. Just don't tell me I'm wrong for saying so. These people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its (optional) ingredients. Try not to take it so personally. " 10371,11,"From: Graham Toal Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Distribution: na Lines: 17 In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: :If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public :so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few :isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a :certain professor who likes key banks would be one of the selected :experts... this does seem to expand on some ideas the person was :advocating, if I recall :-). How would anybody know that what the Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more. I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more? G " 10372,9,"From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: news.12799 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 139 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu Since I was the one responsible for these divergent threads of approx. 40+ posts (going back to: The Braves could be better off if an injury happens), I may as well inject a little more fuel to the flame! 1) Back at the beginning of Spring Training, I though Lopez would make the squad easily. Olson was still recovering from his late-season injury (knee, I believe), and there were questions as to whether he would be able to play before June. And then Berryhill was dinged up. I was looking forward to this, because I believe that Lopez can hit AND field the position. Before last season, he was the Braves ""Defensive Catcher"" prospect, while Brian Deak was the Braves ""Offensive Catcher"" prospect. Besides, Olson and Berryhill couldn't hit their way out of a wet cardboard box, and don't walk enough to be useful. But Olson recovered quickly, Berryhill recovered, and the Braves went with the two vets. I still say that if one of those two had been down at the start of the season, he wouldn't have gotten his job back. 2) There is a certain logic to keeping Olson and Berryhill around. After all, ML catchers are in short supply and suffer from wear and tear. There are teams out there without ONE average ML catcher (California and Seattle come to mind). Certainly, trying to move Olson or Berryhill through waivers would be unlikely to work. Plus, you'd have to eat that salary, which isn't huge, but isn't tiddleywinks either (I think Olson's at about $800,000, Berryhill at $450,000, but that's only what I recall). 3) Yes, I think arbitration-eligibility may have a role to play in this also. What is it, that 5/6 of the 2+year players aren't eligible for arbitration? Only the 1/6 that were on the roster the longest are eligible? Of course, the system may change, but the extent of that change is not yet known. From a business standpoint, it may make sense to keep Lopez down until June/the first time Olson/Berryhill go on the DL. 4) I am still disappointed that Lopez isn't on the team. I still prefer to think of myself as a fan when it comes to the Braves, and the truth is that I'd rather see our best team on the field, which, IMO, includes Lopez. Of course,today we play the Cubs. Hopefully, we won't need him. ;) As for the Schuerholz/Cox conversation, I imagine it went like this: (Remember, they've BOTH been GM's) (the following is not meant to be read by the humor-impaired) Cox: OK, we've sent Jones down. His fielding could be a little smoother. Besides, Blauser can hit OK and his fielding is better than it used to be. Schuerholz: Well, we'll have to send Nieves down too. Deion just won't sign that baseball only contract. We can't count on him in October, so we have to keep Nixon around for the defense. Besides, Gorman's not ready to give up on Billy Hatcher yet. Once Hatcher's gone AND Deion signs, we can move Nixon for Frankie Rodriguez. That ought to give us some pitching depth in 1995. Cox: Yep, that'll be nice. Too bad Deion won't sign. OK, I'll look for Nieves when Justice starts having Berry-Berry...er, back problems again. Now, what about Klesko? Schuerholz: Well, we've still got to fork out another 1.5 mil for Bream. If we keep Klesko, we either lose the money or Cabrera. I keep dangling Sid in front of Dal Maxwell, but somehow he doesn't seem to be the same GM. First Jeffries for Jose, and now Whiten for Clark! If he gets rid of Brian Jordan, then I'd HAVE to believe that he and Whitey Herzog switched bodies at the Winter Meetings! Cox: OK, keep trying on Bream, and I'll wait til the trading deadline for my Hunter/Klesko platoon. Maybe I can get a few extra at-bats for Cabrera while we wait. Try California... if Snow starts slowly, maybe WhiteyDal will bite on Sid. And if that doesn't work, then perhaps Sid's knees could be ""persuaded"" to act up. There's always the 15-day DL! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Schuerholz: What about Caraballo? Cox: Well, he's not that much better than Lemke. Maybe if he starts in Richmond, he'll start walking more. Besides, if he's going to be arbitration-eligible, better to stretch him out so that we actually get some value from him before he makes the big bucks. Schuerholz: Now, let's see. That leaves Lopez. Cox: NOOOOO! I gotta keep Lopez! Sure, I didn't think Olson would recover this quickly. Maybe I can talk Caminiti into running into him again? Schuerholz: Nope, Lopez has gotta go. You know that he'll get $3 million in arbitration. May as well put it off that one extra year. Besides, until Olson's shown his stuff a little bit, I can't trade him. Besides, Berryhill's a left-handed hitter. You know how rare that is? Cox: Don't you mean a left-handed whiffer? Pretty common, if you ask me. I mean, he made Pat Borders look good in the World Series. PAT BORDERS!!! Schuerholz: Hey, you're the one who wouldn't write Lopez into the lineup. Cox: Well, you're the one who went out and got me Jeff Reardon! Besides, I thought Lopez wouldn't be used to our pitching staff's stuff. He got some time with them this spring...looked pretty good. Come on, surely we only need to keep one stiff behind the plate? Schuerholz: Yeah, but which stiff? Whichever one we keep will be hurt by May. Cox: OK, OK, you made your point. Keep them both. Surely one of them will be on the DL by June at the latest. Then I can call up Lopez, and then we can win 110 games! The Pennant! THE WORLD SERIES! I'll be up there with John McGraw! Casey Stengel! Earl Weaver! Oh, they laughed at me in Toronto, but have you ever had to deal with George Bell? I'll finally get my just reward! Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Schuerholz: Easy, Bobby. Have you been taking those ""happy pills"" left around by Chuck Tanner? Why'd you ever hire that guy anyhow? Cox: Don't ask me; ask Ted. ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- " 10373,8,"From: maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) Subject: Re: A Miracle in California Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Lines: 22 Re: Waving... I must say, that the courtesy of a nod or a wave as I meet other bikers while riding does a lot of good things to my mood... While riding is a lot of fun by itself, there's something really special about having someone say to you ""Hey, it's a great day for a ride... Isn't it wonderful that we can spend some time on the road on days like this..."" with a gesture. Was sunny today for the first time in a week, took my bike out for a spin down to the local salvage yard/bike shop... ran into about 20 other people who were down there for similar reasons (there's this GREAT stretch of road on the way down there... no side streets, lotsa leaning bends... ;) ... Went on an impromptu coffee and bullshit run down to puyallup with a batch of people who I didn't know, but who were my kinda people nonetheless. As a fellow commented to me while I was admiring his bike... ""Hey, it's not what you ride, it's that you ride... As long as it has 2 wheels and an engine it's the same thing..."" -- ---- maven@eskimo.com (InterNet) maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (UseNet) The Maven@The Mavenry (AlterNet) " 10374,4,"From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) Subject: Help with SIMM configuration Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Can someone please help me understand the current situation regarding SIMMS? I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years. I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB. I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS. Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin? Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a newer, more powerful system? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks. Rob -- Rob Sprecher rcs8@po.cwru.edu " 10375,5,"From: jgealow@mtl.mit.edu (Jeffrey C. Gealow) Subject: Standard Colormaps Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories Lines: 49 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mtl.mit.edu I'm working on an X11R5 application and have concerns regarding standard colormaps. The X11R5 documentation says: ""Usually, a window manager creates these colormaps."" I wonder what window manager the writer had in mind. Neither twm or mwm seem to create standard colormaps. Of course, one can use xstdcmap to create standard colormaps. However, xstdcmap doesn't seem to try very hard to avoid conflicts with the default colormap. When I use standard colormaps created by xstdcmap, the rest of my display goes black. So it seems as if use of standard colormaps causes the very problem standard colormaps are intended to avoid. Perhaps if every application used standard colormaps, things would be wonderful. But not many applications seem to use standard colormaps. Finally, the operation of the functions XmuGetColormapAllocation, XmuStandardColormap, and XmuCreateColormap seem inconsistent with the section 14.3 of the X11R5 XLIB documentation. According to the section 14.3 of the X11R5 XLIB documentation (p. 436): For GrayScale colormaps, only the colormap, red_max, red_mult, and base_pixel members are defined. The other members are ignored. To compute a GrayScale pixel value, use the following expression: (gray * red_mult + base_pixel) &0xFFFFFFFF XmuGetColormapAllocation, defined in mit/lib/Xmu/CmapAlloc.c, is used by XmuLookupStandardColormap, defined in mit/lib/Xmu/LookupCmap.c to select red_max, green_max, and blue_max values for the call to XmuStandardColormap. When the RGB_GRAY_MAP property is specified, XmuGetColormapAllocation sets red_max to 30% of the total number of cells in the gray scale, sets green_max to 59% of the total number, and sets blue_max ot 11% of the total number. Referring to section 14.3, one would expect XmuGetColormapAllocation to set red_max to the total number of cells in the gray scale. When the RGB_GRAY_MAP property is specified, XmuStandardColormap, defined in mit/lib/Xmu/StdCmap.c, sets red_mult, green_mult, and blue_mult all equal to 1. Referring to section 14.3, one would expect green_mult and blue_mult to be ignored. When red_mult, green_mult, and blue_mult all equal 1, XmuCreateColormap, defined in mit/lib/Xmu/CrCmap.c, constructs a gray map. The sum of red_max, green_max, and blue_max gives the maximum gray value. Referring to section 14.3, on would expect red_max to give the maximum gray value. " 10376,10,"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 25 In article , darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes: > jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes: > >> In article <1ppdccINNbe1@dev-null.phys.psu.edu>, stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu >> > In article mfoster@alliant.backbo >> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 >> > >> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? >> >> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your >> jokes:-)! > > Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... > > ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ > Thomas A. Darling \\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043 > darling@cellar.org \\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\ FactHQ ""Truth Thru Technology"" > v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding. KOZ LETS GO CAPS!!! " 10377,14,"From: hancock@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (thomas hancock) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 40 dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes: The Centaur is controlled technology.. State Dept will not allow it to be used outside of US. Sorry. >In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? >>What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other >>than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? >I haven't seen any speculation about it. But, the Salyut KB (Design Bureau) >was planning a new LH/LOX second stage for the Proton which would boost >payload to LEO from about 21000 to 31500 kg. (Geostationary goes from >2600 kg. (Gals launcher version) to 6000 kg.. This scheme was competing >with the Energia-M last year and I haven't heard which won, except now >I recently read that the Central Specialized KB was working on the >successor to the Soyuz booster which must be the Energia-M. So the early >results are Energia-M won, but this is a guess, nothing is very clear in >Russia. I'm sure if Salyut KB gets funds from someone they will continue >their development. >The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton >is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D >which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about >launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which >are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things >up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile >thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. >Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know >how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while >bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track >and erected on the pad? >They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads >(unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course >any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the >US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political >problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention. >Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) >Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector >Schaumburg, IL " 10378,1,"From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Hi Steve, As the author of Multiverse, I feel I had better respond to your mailnote questioning whether anyone had managed to compile this software - the quick answer is yes! The long answer is yes - but a few have had a few problems with their platforms - not all unix's are the same, you know! As far as ""many bugs"" go, it would probably be more useful to everyone (including you) if you were a bit more explicit! :-) Platforms it has succesfully compiled and run on are: RS6000, Dec Ultrix Sun Solaris so it is possible. The main problem is that I don't have access to other platforms than the RS6000, so if there are portability problems then the only way I hear about them is by people letting me know and giving me a clue as to how to fix it. As far as the software not doing anything, do you really think I would bother releasing it, if that was the case? Perhaps you didn't read the few docs that ARE supplied. The dogfight world is made up of clients only, so if you're in there on your own, then you're not going to see anything! The dactyl world has quite a lot of scenary - so if you don't see anything there, then this is definitely a problem! One final word - if you're not interested, don't bother with it. If you are interested, then please remember that I'm not asking for any money! So why not try a little patience and constructive criticism, maybe that will get results?? Robert. robert@acsc.com " 10379,8,"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing Nntp-Posting-Host: binky Lines: 11 In article , craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes: > No anyone who is a ""true"" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a > wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless > they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low > to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case with most of the harley > riders out here where I am, however I still give them a wave, and ride > secure in the knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are. Huh? - Roid " 10380,6,"From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver) Subject: Summer Sublet available in Baltimore Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu Large bedroom for rent from June 1-Aug 15 in row house near JHU (Homewood). No smokers or pets. Share house with 2 or 3 F law students. F professional/ student wanted. 2 bath,large kitchen - remodeled last summer, hardwood floors, lr,dr, washer and dryer. Beautiful details. Rent $325 + 1/4 utilities. Located on bus lines. For more info email me : RFP@JHUVM " 10381,15,"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 28 In article , jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) writes: > Hey... > > I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a > MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and > he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the > gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he > was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group... > Jeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath. He was never ever a musician in the band. He was in St. Louis several months back. The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent really turned me off. It was addressed to all ""Homosexuals, prostitutes, drug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..."" or something like that. Well, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I would have felt a little pre-judged. As a Orthodox Christian, and a ""headbanger"" I was slightly insulted at being lumped together with drug addicts and alcoholics. Oh yes, I suppose since I drink a good German beer now and then that makes me an alcoholic. NOT! -- Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because we have ideas. We have a philosophy. Geoff Tate -- Queensryche " 10382,1,"From: havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) Subject: HELP!!! GRASP Reply-To: havardn@edb.tih.no Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15 1.20 (running under MS-Windows) Lines: 13 Hi! Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other picture formats. (I've got some animations that I'd like to transfer to my Amiga) I really hope that someone can help me. Cheers Haavard Nesse - Trondheim College of Engineering, Trondheim, Norway " 10383,11,"From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Subject: Licensing... Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 24 >This actually supports Bill's speculation - IF there is a backdoor in >RSAREF and IF PKP is supported secretly by the NSA, then it is more >than natural that they will welcome ANY public-key implementation that >uses RSAREF and will strongly oppose themselves against ANY >implementation that doesn't. My speculation does not include or depend upon a trapdoor in RSAREF. I do not believe that RSA would consent to such. However, there are other limitation in the concept of RSAREF in which NSA has an interest. It has an interest in a limited number of implementations, i.e., targets. It has an interest in fixed key or maximum modulus size. It has a legitimate (literally) right to pursue such interests. Within bounds, it probably has a right to pursue those interests by covert means. At least it has the same right as the rest of us not to disclose all of its motives and intentions. (Institutions are not self-aware; they do not know their intentions in any meaningful sense.) William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security 49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840 1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL " 10384,9,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Rockies need some relief Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 13 Once again, the Rockies bullpen fell apart. Andy Ashby pitched six (somewhat shaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three picthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning and blew the save opportunity. (Final was 4-2 vs Expos). Despite their problems in the pen, I think the Rockies are a team that wont be taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading hitter and RBI man (Galarraga), two of the leaders in stolen bases (Young and Cole) and increasingly strong starting pitching. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10385,10,"From: georgeh@gjhsun (George H) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: gjhsun.cl.msu.edu Harold Zazula writes: >I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an >octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? >(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) It is a long standing good luck Redwing's tradition to throw an octopus on the ice during a Stanley Cup game. They say it dates back to '52 at the Olympia when the Wings became the 1st team (I think) to sweep the cup in 8 games. A lot hardet to throw one from Joe Louis seats than from the old Olympia balcony, though. Funniest I ever saw was when some Tiger fans threw one on the field during a Detroit/Toronto baseball game ... I was living in California and the folks I was watching with had never heard of hockey and were incredulous when I recognized the octopus BEFORE the camera closeup !! " 10386,16,"From: croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) Subject: Re: CNN for sale Organization: Gotham Communications Research Distribution: usa Lines: 10 I will add my voice to the (hopefully) growing multitudes. I hereby pledge $1000.00 towards the purchase of CNN, under the same conditions as already described. I will also post this idea on the other nets I can access (RIME and Libernet). We may have to organize this ourselves, so I am looking for help. Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-A LPVa NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA 'M-O-U-S-E' " 10387,12,"From: josephc@cco.caltech.edu (Joseph Chiu) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Article-I.D.: gap.1pkveuINNduk Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >Similarly, people usually use dB for dBm. Another common mistake is spelling >``db'' instead of ``dB'' as you did in your article. See the ``B'' is for >``Bell'' company, the mother of AT&T and should be capitalized. Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus our use of the Ohms... Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... Actually, Bel refers > With highest regards, > Babak Sehari. >-- -- Joseph Chiu | josephc@cco.caltech.edu ""OS/2: You gotta get this thing!"" MSC 380 - Caltech | Pasadena, CA 91126 | OS/2: The operating system of tomorrow, today. +1 818 449 5457 | " 10388,11,"From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: Re: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where? Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University Lines: 43 Thus said ee92jks@brunel.ac.uk (Jonathan K Saville): >D. Wigglesworth (smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca) wrote: > >: Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public >: key cryptography (such as RSA)? > >: I've tried various archie searches to no avail. > >Have you heard of PGP? I assume from your post that you have not. PGP 2.2 >is a freeware RSA encryption program which includes digital signatures and >comprehensive key management facilities. Most sites also keep the source code. >A growing number of people are using this excellent software to encrypt (to >a very high standard) their email and data. Get it before Clinton outlaws it. > >Two of the many sites are: > rsa.com /pub/pgp > soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp PGP is not available on the archive site rsa.com. If it were, it would be highly amusing, since rsa.com (actually Public Key Partners, but it's the same entity) is the organization holding the patents which they claim are violated if you actually ""make, use or sell"" PGP. I believe those patents also apply in Canada, but I'm not a patent lawyer or anything. There is no such thing as freely redistributable code for RSA which can be used in North America without legal entanglements. You may wish to consider RSAREF, however, which *is* available from the FTP site rsa.com in /rsaref but probably doesn't meet your definition of ""freely redistributable"" (it's readily available in source, in C, and does RSA, MD5, etc. and comes with a license allowing noncommercial use. Like any other strong crypto software, it's not exportable legally. It can be modified with permission from RSADSI, which a number of people have received in the past.) For reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, RSA says that only U.S. people should take RSAREF from its server, although there aren't ITAR issues regarding Canada. The RIPEM distribution site (ripem.msu.edu) has RSAREF in its distribution, and is OK for Canadians. -- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted ""Barney the Dinosaur is simply Rush Limbaugh in a Dinosaur Suit."" - Lost Boy " 10389,7,From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan) Subject: just testing Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 3 hello testing 10390,9,"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes: >>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes: >> >>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? >> >>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above >>average year in the last 5. > >Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can >count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a >bad finish last year :-). > >(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said >Morris was a better signing than Viola?) > >Cheers, >-Valentine Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. Shawn " 10391,1,"From: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) Subject: CView answers Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands. Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.stack.urc.tue.nl Summary: some CView problems explained Keywords: Stupid Programming X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView. Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes: CView has quite a number of bugs. The one you mention is perhaps the most annoying, but not the most dangerous. As far as I can determine, it has to do with the temp files that CView creates. CView gives the user no control over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its ""current directory"". The problem you mention occurs (as far as I can tell) when it runs out of disk space for its temp files. It seems as if CView doesn't check properly for this situation. As Cview decodes a jpeg, it seems to write out a temp file with all the pixel data with 24 bit colour information. Then, for 8 bit displays, it does the ""dithering"", again writing another file with the 8 bit colour information. While it is writing this second file, it also writes the data to your colour card. Then when it does the last chunk of 8 bit data, it recopies all the data from the 8 bit file to your screen again. (It does this last ""recopy"" operation for its ""fit to screen"" feature, even when this feature is not enabled.) The result of this process is the following: 1) If it runs out of disk space when writing the first 24 bit file, all you ever see is as much data as it has room for, and the last bit of data is simply repeated over and over again because CView never realizes the disk has filled up and disk writes/reads aren't performed. 2) If it has enough room for the 24 bit data, but runs out of room for the 8 bit data, you see almost all of the picture as it does the dithering and writes to the screen card. However, then when it finishes the dithering and recopies the data from the 8 bit file to screen (for whatever reason it does this) one again just gets a repetition of the last chunk of data for which there was room on the disk. This is just a guess, but probably fairly accurate. At least the general idea is on track I think, although I have probably made errors in details about file I/O etc. The way around this is of course to clear up sufficient disk space. The temp files for large JPEG's (1200x900 and bigger) can be very large (3 Meg + 1 Meg ). On some of the largest I have needed in excess of 6 Meg free disk space. CView has a much more serious bug: if you are trying to display a file from a floppy, and you change floppies while CView has some temp file open on the floppy, then CView in certain circumstances will write the directory (and FAT table? I can't remember) for the removed floppy onto the newly inserted floppy, thus corruptimg the new floppy in a very serious, possibly unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a program to do this. On the other hand, when choosing files in the Open Files menu, CView insists on doing a few disk reads every time one moves the hi-lighter square. Incredibly annoying when it could do them all at once when it gets the directory info. And really, how much effort does it take to sort a directory listing? With much thanks to the originator of this article. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | Rene Walter | renew@stack.urc.tue.nl | +-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | ""Will I drown in tears of sorrow, Is there hope for tomorrow, | | Will this world ever get better, Can't we all just live together | | I don't wanna live in strife , I just wanna live my life | | I deserve to have a future..."" | | -The Good Girls ""Future"" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ " 10392,9,"From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) Subject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 120 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu Summary: oh please, it's way too early to get upset. Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: >So far Simmons looks like a total idiot. Whatever you say. I think it's just 12 games into the season myself, so I'm going to wait a bit before calling names. >2) I am sure Simmons was ready to say I told you so after Otto had an >impressive win last week. Now Otto's latest debacle has restored Simmons' >reputation. Now he looks like he is back in his '92 form when he had the >AL's highest ERA among starters. Four our sake(not Ted's sake), I hope he >pitches with a 3.5 ERA for the rest of the season. Yeah, right. I expect that Dave Otto will be a really bad pitcher, and I have no idea why Simmons ever wanted him. On the other hand, I expect him to release Otto if he doesn't turn things around pretty fast. (BTW, Otto's game score for that 0 IP stinker was only 22, which points out a problem with the method since Otto's performance was infinitely bad, and excruciatingly prolonged.) >3) Tomlin and Merced are a bit disappointing. They are still doing decently. >But considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have >shown their first seasons, they seem to have actually gotten a little >bit worse. I think Merced's rookie year was a bit flukey, but aren't you willing to give him some more at bats (and Tomlin a few more starts) before acting so gloomy? >4) Walk: Well, he seems to be on the losing end tonight. BUt I still think >that Walk desrved his contract. No he didn't. Walk is a time bomb. He has no stuff whatsoever, and when the league finally realizes this, it won't be pretty at all. >8) The Rookie batters: Well, Young has surprised me a bit with his >instant impact. Other than that, their excellent performance hasn't >been too much of a surprise. I think we should thank Doughty for that. Don't be so fast. Doughty is the guy who signed Steve Buechele, which was a move that threatened to bury Kevin Young in the minors. Meanwhile, I'm not sure whether Doughty or Simmons signed Martin as a six-year free agent before the 1992 season. >9) Rookie Pitchers: Worse than expected, especially Cooke. Twice through the rotation, and you've given up? Yikes. >10) Slaught: How come he wasn't given a contract extension last year? >Now his value has increased immensely. But so has his age, at least in baseball terms. The useful half-life of a 34- year-old injury-prone catcher can't be much longer than a year. >11) Lonnie Smith!! Well, Eric Davis was signed for a comparable amount. But he wanted to be a Dodger, and felt he had something to prove after his disastrous 1992. I don't think there was any chance for the Bucs to sign him. >Let's see. Eric can hit better. He can run better. He can field better. >Now why didnt the PIrates go after Eric Davis. An injured Davis is better >than a healthy Lonnie Smith. He certainly wasn't last year. >Even if Lonnnie Smith gets some big hits this year,he won't be an asset. >He has looked terrible on the bases and in the field. Hey, that's the ""Skates Smith"" package deal. Anybody who acquires Lonnie for his defense or base-running (particularly at this stage) is a real weirdo. >12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful argument >in favor of revenue sharing. He seems more concerned about pleasing that >idiot Danforth by preparing the team for a move to Tampa Bay. If that's the goal of the team ownership, than I don't see why Sauer gets a zero for making his boss happy. I don't know what he has or hasn't said about revenue sharing, so I can't comment there. >13) Alex Cole fiasco. > [stuff deleted] >Ironically, the biggest accomplishment of Simmons' tenure was >getting Alex Cole really cheap. Too bad. [that he gave him away in the >expansion draft.] It's annoying, but since Leyland seems to have been pushing for them to retain Jeff King, it was probably unavoidable. Meanwhile, I think bigger accomplishments of Simmons' tenure were getting some value for John Smiley, not trading real prospects for veterans down the stretch last year, drafting well in 1992, letting the rookies show something in 1993. Foley, Smith, and Candelaria were acquired to be replacement parts, which means that even if fail it hasn't done serious damage to the Bucs' future. >14) Compensatory draft picks for Bonds: Forget it. The pirates can rant >and rave. they will not get those picks. As of now, the issue is still >being appealed. Does this mean that the Bucs lost the initial arbitration case? I never heard the outcome of this. When will the final verdict be in on this? >Now, if this doesnt convince anyone that Simmons and Sauer are idiots, >nothing else will. I'm not sure who was the idiot in this case, so I don't know who to blame. It might have been Doug Danforth, after all. In fact, I *seriously* suspect it was Doug Danforth, who has shown his willingness to call the shots at exactly those moments when the gun is pointed at his feet. (btw--I've wondered whether my latest posts have been getting off-site, so if somebody known to impersonate e.e. cummings can see this, would he drop me a short note?) jking " 10393,13,"From: Simon.N.McRae@dartmouth.edu (Simon N McRae) Subject: re: hepatitis-b X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b10@newshost.dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr14.4274.32512@dosgate> russell.sinclair-day@canrem.com (russell sinclair-day) writes: > What we are really worried about is not knowing the facts. The doctor > has stated that things will not be good if she is a carrier and avoids > further questions on the subject. We really would like to know so we > can take steps and plan in advance for any eventualities. > > Thank-you for your very informative post. Right now I am just trying > to find out everything that I can. > > Russ. Unfortunately, Hep B infection can eventuate in chronic hepatitis and subsequent cirrhosis. Although not many patients with Hep B go on to chronic hepatitis, it does still occur in a good number (20%?) and is something to keep in mind. Hepatitis C (was: non-A, non-B Hep) much more frequently leads to chronic hep and cirrhosis. There is also an autimmune chronic hepatitis that affects mostly younger women which also leads to cirrhosis. Of course, cirrhosis is a most unkind disease. The most dangerous effects relate to portal hypertension and loss of liver function. Patients develop life-threatening variceal bleeds and hepatic comas, among many other problems, as a result of disturbances in hepatic circulation. Less ominously, they can exhibit the effects of hyperestrogenemia which often characterize patients with cirrhosis. These effects include telangiactasias (small red skin lesions) and, in men, gynecomastia (breast development). The only real treatment for cirrhosis is liver transplant. Keep in mind that cirrhosis is not expected, at least statistically, in your friend's case. Nevertheless you might want to bring up the subject of chronic disease and cirrhosis with the doctor. Hopefully he or she can then carefully explain these sequelae of Hep B infection to you, and offer you support. Simon. " 10394,3,"From: jas37876@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John A. Slagel) Subject: Re: int15h for joysticks is slow.... Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes: >I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something >like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this >is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead(). >The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and >so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in >a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or >clockspeed specific? The joystick reads in anolog values through a digital port. How? You send a command to the port to read it, then you time how long it takes for the joystick port to set a certain bit. This time is proportional to the joystick position. Obviously, since time is used as a position, you cannot get rid of this ridiculus waste of time. If you wrote your own routine instead of the BIOS, it would speed it up some, but the time would still be there. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- John A. Slagel ""My old man used to tell me, before he left this j-slagel1@uiuc.edu shitty world, never chase buses or women- you (217) 337-7930 always get left behind."" -The Marlboro Man " 10395,8,"From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: >>Bzzzzt. It was me. Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a >>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick. The >>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick >>in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) > > Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best >look? The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips >is a definite turn-off... So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the ""natural look"" or the ""waxy shit"" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either. > Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-) Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for herself. Beth ================================================================= Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com 1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 ""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" -- ZZ Top ================================================================= " 10396,13,"From: shavlik@cs.wisc.edu (Jude Shavlik) Subject: Program & Reg Forms: 1st Int Conf on Intell Sys for Molecular Biology Keywords: computational biology, artificial intelligence Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 482 [For those attending the AAAI conf this summer, note that this conference is immediately preceding it.] PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION MATERIALS First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology Washington, D.C. July 6-9, 1993 Sponsored by: The National Institutes of Health, National Library of Medicine The Department of Energy, Office of Health and Environmental Research The Biomatrix Society The American Association for Artificial Intelligence (AAAI) Poster Session and Tutorials: Bethesda Ramada Hotel Technical Sessions: Lister Hill Center Auditorium, National Library of Medicine For more information contact ISMB@nlm.nih.gov or FAX (608)262-9777 PURPOSE This, the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology, is the inaugural meeting in a series intended to bring together scientists who are applying the technologies of artificial intelligence, robotics, machine learning, massively parallel computing, advanced data modelling, and related methods to problems in molecular biology. The scope extends to any computational or robotic system supporting a biological task that is cognitively challenging, involves a synthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels, or in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent properties of an ""intelligent system."" FACILITIES The conference will be held at Lister Hill Center National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike NIH, Building 38A Bethesda MD 20894 Seating in the conference center is strictly limited, so registrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis. Accomodations, as well as a reception and poster session, will be at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel 8400 Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda MD 20814 A special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel, of $92/day (expires 6/21). Attendees must make their own reservations, by writing the hotel or calling (800)331-5252 and mentioning the ISMB conference. To participate in a roommate-matching service, e-mail opitz@cs.wisc.edu. TRANSPORTATION The two facilities are within easy walking distance, convenient to the subway (Metro Red Line, Medical Center stop), and from there to the Amtrak station. Nearby airports include Dulles, National, and Baltimore-Washington International. PROCEEDINGS Full-length papers from both talks and posters will be published in archival proceedings. The citation is: Proceedings of the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology (eds. L. Hunter, D. Searls, and J. Shavlik) AAAI/MIT Press, Menlo Park CA, 1993. Copies will be distributed at the conference to registered attendees, and will be available for purchase from the publisher afterwards. TALKS Wednesday, July 7, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-9:15am Opening Remarks 9:15-10:30am Invited Talk ""Statistics, Protein Cores, and Predicted Structures"" Prof. Temple Smith (Boston University) 10:30-11:00am Break 11:00am ""Constructive Induction and Protein Structure Prediction"" T.R. Ioerger, L. Rendell, & S. Surbramaniam 11:30am ""Protein Secondary-Structure Modeling with Probabilistic Networks"" A.L. Delcher, S. Kasif, H.R. Goldberg, & W. Hsu 12:00-1:30pm Lunch 1:30pm ""Protein Secondary Structure using Two-Level Case-Based Reasoning"" B. Leng, B.G. Buchanan, & H.B. Nicholas 2:00pm ""Automatic Derivation of Substructures Yields Novel Structural Building Blocks in Globular Proteins"" X. Zhang, J.S. Fetrow, W.A. Rennie, D.L. Waltz, & G. Berg 2:30pm ""Using Dirichlet Mixture Priors to Derive Hidden Markov Models for Protein Families"" M. Brown, R. Hughey, A. Krogh, I.S. Mian, K. Sjolander, & D. Haussler 3:00-3:30pm Break 3:30pm ""Protein Classification using Neural Networks"" E.A. Ferran, B. Pflugfelder, & P. Ferrara 4:00pm ""Neural Networks for Molecular Sequence Classification"" C. Wu, M. Berry, Y-S. Fung, & J. McLarty 4:30pm ""Computationally Efficient Cluster Representation in Molecular Sequence Megaclassification"" D.J. States, N. Harris, & L. Hunter 7:00-7:30pm Poster Setup 7:30-10:00pm Reception & Poster Session Thursday, July 8, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:15am Invited Talk ""Large-Scale DNA Sequencing: A Tale of Mice and Men"" Prof. Leroy Hood (University of Washington) 10:15-10:45am Break 10:45am ""Pattern Recognition for Automated DNA Sequencing: I. On-Line Signal Conditioning and Feature Extraction for Basecalling"" J.B. Bolden III, D. Torgersen, & C. Tibbetts 11:15am ""Genetic Algorithms for Sequence Assembly"" R. Parsons, S. Forrest, & C. Burks 11:45am ""A Partial Digest Approach to Restriction Site Mapping"" S.S. Skiena & G. Sundaram 12:15-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm ""Integrating Order and Distance Relationships from Heterogeneous Maps"" M. Graves 2:30pm ""Discovering Sequence Similarity by the Algorithmic Significance Method"" A. Milosavljevic 3:00pm ""Identification of Human Gene Functional Regions Based on Oligonucleotide Composition"" V.V. Solovyev & C.B. Lawrence 3:30pm ""Knowledge Discovery in GENBANK"" J.S. Aaronson, J. Haas, & G.C. Overton 4:00-4:30pm Break 4:30pm ""An Expert System to Generate Machine Learning Experiments: Learning with DNA Crystallography Data"" D. Cohen, C. Kulikowski, & H. Berman 5:00pm ""Detection of Correlations in tRNA Sequences with Structural Implications"" T.M. Klingler & D. Brutlag 5:30pm ""Probabilistic Structure Calculations: A Three- Dimensional tRNA Structure from Sequence Correlation Data"" R.B. Altman Friday, July 9, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:15am Invited Talk ""Artificial Intelligence and a Grand Unified Theory of Biochemistry"" Prof. Harold Morowitz (George Mason University) 10:15-10:45am Break 10:45am ""Testing HIV Molecular Biology in in silico Physiologies"" H.B. Sieburg & C. Baray 11:15am ""Identification of Localized and Distributed Bottlenecks in Metabolic Pathways"" M.L. Mavrovouniotis 11:45am ""Fine-Grain Databases for Pattern Discovery in Gene Regulation"" S.M. Veretnik & B.R. Schatz 12:15-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm ""Representation for Discovery of Protein Motifs"" D. Conklin, S. Fortier, & J. Glasgow 2:30pm ""Finding Relevant Biomolecular Features"" L. Hunter & T. Klein 3:00pm ""Database Techniques for Biological Materials and Methods"" K. Baclawski, R. Futrelle, N. Fridman, & M.J. Pescitelli 3:30pm ""A Multi-Level Description Scheme of Protein Conformation"" K. Onizuka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & S.T.C. Wong 4:00-4:30pm Break 4:30pm ""Protein Topology Prediction through Parallel Constraint Logic Programming"" D.A. Clark, C.J. Rawlings, J. Shirazi, A. Veron, & M. Reeve 5:30pm ""A Constraint Reasoning System for Automating Sequence- Specific Resonance Assignments in Multidimensional Protein NMR Spectra"" D. Zimmerman, C. Kulikowski, & G.T. Montelione 5:30-5:45pm Closing Remarks POSTER SESSION The following posters will be on display at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel from 7:30-10:00pm, Wednesday, July 7. [1] ""The Induction of Rules for Predicting Chemical Carcinogenesis in Rodents"" D. Bahler & D. Bristol [2] ""SENEX: A CLOS/CLIM Application for Molecular Pathology"" S.S. Ball & V.H. Mah [3] ""FLASH: A Fast Look-Up Algorithm for String Homology"" A. Califano & I. Rigoutsos [4] ""Toward Multi-Strategy Parallel Learning in Sequence Analysis"" P.K. Chan & S.J. Stolfo [5] ""Protein Structure Prediction: Selecting Salient Features from Large Candidate Pools"" K.J. Cherkauer & J.W. Shavlik [6] ""Comparison of Two Approaches to the Prediction of Protein Folding Patterns"" I. Dubchak, S.R. Holbrook, & S.-H. Kim [7] ""A Modular Learning Environment for Protein Modeling"" J. Gracy, L. Chiche & J. Sallantin [8] ""Inference of Order in Genetic Systems"" J.N. Guidi & T.H. Roderick [9] ""PALM - A Pattern Language for Molecular Biology"" C. Helgesen & P.R. Sibbald [10] ""Grammatical Formalization of Metabolic Processes"" R. Hofestedt [11] ""Representations of Metabolic Knowledge"" P.D. Karp & M. Riley [12] ""Protein Sequencing Experiment Planning Using Analogy"" B. Kettler & L. Darden [13] ""Design of an Object-Oriented Database for Reverse Genetics"" K.J. Kochut, J. Arnold, J.A. Miller, & W.D. Potter [14] ""A Small Automaton for Word Recognition in DNA Sequences"" C. Lefevre & J.-E Ikeda [15] ""MultiMap: An Expert System for Automated Genetic Linkage Mapping"" T.C. Matise, M. Perlin & A. Chakravarti [16] ""Constructing a Distributed Object-Oriented System with Logical Constraints for Fluorescence-Activated Cell Sorting"" T. Matsushima [17] ""Prediction of Primate Splice Junction Gene Sequences with a Cooperative Knowledge Acquisition System"" E.M. Nguifo & J. Sallantin [18] ""Object-Oriented Knowledge Bases for the Analysis of Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic Genomes"" G. Perriere, F. Dorkeld, F. Rechenmann, & C. Gautier [19] ""Petri Net Representations in Metabolic Pathways"" V.N. Reddy, M.L. Mavrovouniotis, & M.L. Liebman [20] ""Minimizing Complexity in Cellular Automata Models of Self-Replication"" J.A. Reggia, H.-H. Chou, S.L. Armentrout, & Y. Peng [21] ""Building Large Knowledge Bases in Molecular Biology"" O. Schmeltzer, C. Medigue, P. Uvietta, F. Rechenmann, F. Dorkeld, G. Perriere, & C. Gautier [22] ""A Service-Oriented Information Sources Database for the Biological Sciences"" G.K. Springer & T.B. Patrick [23] ""Hidden Markov Models and Iterative Aligners: Study of their Equivalence and Possibilities"" H. Tanaka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & A. Konagaya [24] ""Protein Structure Prediction System Based on Artificial Neural Networks"" J. Vanhala & K. Kaski [25] ""Transmembrane Segment Prediction from Protein Sequence Data"" S.M. Weiss, D.M. Cohen & N. Indurkhya TUTORIAL PROGRAM Tutorials will be conducted at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel on Tuesday, July 6. 12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists"" Prof. Mick Noordewier (Rutgers University) This overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is intended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists who wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain. Material covered will include structural and informational molecules, the basic organization of the cell and of genetic material, the ""central dogma"" of gene expression, and selected other topics in the area of structure, function, and regulation as relates to current computational approaches. Dr. Noordewier has appointments in both Computer Science and Biology at Rutgers, and has extensive experience in basic biological research in addition to his current work in computational biology. 12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Artificial Intelligence for Biologists"" Dr. Richard Lathrop (MIT & Arris Corp.) An overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be presented, as it relates to actual and potential biological applications. Fundamental techniques, symbolic programming languages, and notions of search will be discussed, as well as selected topics in somewhat greater detail, such as knowledge representation, inference, and machine learning. The intended audience includes biologists with some computational background, but no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence. Dr. Lathrop, co-developer of ARIADNE and related technologies, has worked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to biological problems in both academia and industry. 3:00-5:45pm ""Neural Networks, Statistics, and Information Theory in Biological Sequence Analysis"" Dr. Alan Lapedes (Los Alamos National Laboratory) This tutorial will cover the most rapidly-expanding facet of intelligent systems for molecular biology, that of machine learning techniques applied to sequence analysis. Closely interrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical neural networks to elicit both specific signals and general characteristics of sequences, and the relationship of such approaches to statistical techniques and information-theoretic views of sequence data. Dr. Lapedes, of the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos, has long been a leader in the use of such techniques in this domain. 3:00-5:45pm ""Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"" Prof. John Koza (Stanford University) The genetic algorithm, an increasingly popular approach to highly non-linear multi-dimensional optimization problems, was originally inspired by a biological metaphor. This tutorial will cover both the biological motivations, and the actual implementation and characteristics of the algorithm. Genetic Programming, an extension well-suited to problems where the discovery of the size and shape of the solution is a major part of the problem, will also be addressed. Particular attention will be paid to biological applications, and to identifying resources and software that will permit attendees to begin using the methods. Dr. Koza, a Consulting Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, has taught this subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in the field. 3:00-5:45pm ""Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"" Prof. David Searls (University of Pennsylvania) & Shmuel Pietrokovski (Weizmann Institute) Approaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies are increasingly in evidence. These involve the adaptation of tools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic pattern recognition and gene prediction, the classification of genetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory, the identification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes in sequence data, and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and functional relatedness. Dr. Searls, who holds research faculty appointments in both Genetics and Computer Science at Penn, represents the branch of this field that considers higher-order syntactic approaches to sequence data, while Shmuel Pietrokovski has studied and published with Prof. Edward Trifinov in the area of word-based analyses. REGISTRATION FORM Mail, with check made out to ""ISMB-93"", to: ISMB Conference, c/o J. 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ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Lawrence Hunter NLM David Searls U. of Pennsylvania Jude Shavlik U. of Wisconsin PROGRAM COMMITTEE Douglas Brutlag Stanford U. Bruce Buchanan U. of Pittsburgh Christian Burks Los Alamos National Lab Fred Cohen U.C.-San Francisco Chris Fields Inst. for Genome Research Michael Gribskov U.C.-San Diego Peter Karp SRI International Toni Kazic Washington U. Alan Lapedes Los Alamos National Lab Richard Lathrop MIT & Arris Corp. Charles Lawrence Baylor Michael Mavrovouniotis U. of Maryland George Michaels NIH Harold Morowitz George Mason U. Katsumi Nitta ICOT Mick Noordewier Rutgers U. Ross Overbeek Argonne National Lab Chris Rawlings ICRF Derek Sleeman U. of Aberdeen David States Washington U. Gary Stormo U. of Colorado Ed Uberbacher Oak Ridge National Lab David Waltz Thinking Machines Corp. " 10397,15,"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: intolerance - eternal life - etc Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 186 I apologize if this article is slightly confusing, and late. The origonal draft didn't make it through the moderators quote-screens. So I did violence to it, but if you remember the article I am responding to it should still make sence. In article 1850@geneva.rutgers.edu, jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) writes: >Hi Xian Netters, God bless you What, no hello for heathan netters? I feel all left out now. :( [deletia- table of content, intro, homosexuality] > >INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST [deletia- incorrect attributions] Uh, you have your attributions wrong, you were responding to my article, so Dan Johnson should be the 1st one. >In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org >(Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: [deletia- no free gifts speil nuked by moderator fiat.] >I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can >manufacture for ourselves. Little in the cosmic sense. Ah, in the _cosmic_ sence.. but who lives in the cosmic sence? Not me! Cosmicly, we don't even exist for all practical purposes. I can hardly use the Cosmic Sence Of Stuff as a guide to life. It would just say: ""don't bother."" Luckily for mortals, there are many sences of scale you can talk about. In a human sence, you can have big purposes. > Even the >greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical >oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust. But the influence of Aristotle, Confucious, Alexander, Ceasar and countless others is still with us, although their works have perished. But they have changed to course of history, and while humanity exists, their deeds cannot be said to have come to nothing, even if they are utterly forgotten. >Mankind itself will one day perish. One day, surely. (well, unless you believe in the Second Coming, which I do not) But in that time we can make a difference. > Without some interconnectedness >that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the >end. In the end. But it must be the end; until then, there is all the point you can muster. And when that end comes, there will be nobody to ask, ""Gee, I don't think James Sledd's deeds are gonna make much of a difference, ulitmately, ya know?"". But they will have already have made a difference, great or small, before the end. Why must your ends be eternal to be worthwhile? > Most people are able to live with that, and for them little >purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others) >suffice. Little is in the eye of the beholder, of course. > I suppose they never think about the cosmic scale, or are at >least able to put it out of their minds. I don't doubt it. But I have thought about the cosmic scale. And it does not seem to mean much to us, here, today. >To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion. I would not find this comforting. But perhaps it is merely my definitions. Here's what I think the relevant terms are: ""Reality"" That which is real. ""Illusion"" That which is not real, but seems to be. ""Real"" Objectively Existing For ""reality"" to be an ""illusion"" would mean, then: That which is real is not real, but seems to be. Or: That which objectively exists, does not objectively exist, but does seem to objectively exist. From which we can conclude, that unless you want to get a contradiction, that no things objectively exist. But I have a problem with this because I would like to say that *I* objectively exist, if nothing else. Cogito Ergo Sum and all that. Perhaps you do not mean all that, but rather mean: ""Objective Reality is Unreachable by humans."" Which is not so bad, and so far as I know is true. > That the >true reality underneath the the physical is spirit. Have on. If reality is an illusion, isn't True Reality an illusion too? And if True Reality is spirit, doens't that make Spirit an Illusion as well? If I am not distinctly confused, this is getting positively Buddhist. > That this world is a school of sorts, where we learn >and grow, and our souls mature. That is one hell of a statement, although perhaps true. Do you mean to imply that it was *intended* to be so? If so, please show that this is true. If not, please explain how this can give a purpose to anything. > That gives a purpose to my little purposes, How does it do that? Wouldn't the world=school w/ intent idea make the world a preparation for some *greater* purpose, rather than a purpose in itself. > and takes some of the pressure off. What pressure? > It's not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms >if you're really just here to learn. It is not necessary to be a success in human terms, unless your goals either include doing so or require doing so before they themselves can be achived. Indeed, many people have set goals for themselves that do not include success in human terms as _I_ understand it. Check out yer Buddhist monk type guy. Out for nirvana, which is not at all the same thing. > It's more important to progress, >grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your >love, especially when it's dificult to do so. Honest effort is rewarded >by God, he knows our limitations. Why is learning to love a goal? What happens if you fail in this goal? To you? To God? To the mysterious Purpose? [deletia- question about immortailty and my answer deleted because it was mostly quote.] >TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION >1. What is the nature of eternal life? >2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it? > >Possible answer for #2: The best we can do is Metaphor/Analogy >Question 2A What is the best metaphor? I'll have a crack at that. (1) The nature of eternal life is neatly described by its name: It is the concept of life without death, life without end. (2) No. We can put together word to describe it, but we cannot imagine it. (2a) No metaphor is adequate next to eternity; if it were we could not understand it either. (or so I suspect) --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. " 10398,7,"From: (Eric Youngblood) Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance? Reply-To: Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh435 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes: |> In article , gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei |> nz) writes: |> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real |> >job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra |> >money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty & |> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around |> >$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a |> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've |> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+ |> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway. |> > |> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k. |> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks, |> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main |> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are |> >good prices? |> > |> >Also, what would insurance look like? I'm male, single, 23 (I might |> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that |> >I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of ""classic |> >car"" or ""rarely driven"" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles |> >per year? |> > |> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'. |> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving |> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would |> probably suit your needs for limited mileage. |> -- In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require that the vehicle be garaged when not in use. $0.02 Ericy *---------------------------------+---------------------------* | Eric Youngblood | | Bell-Northern Research _ | | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~- | | \, _} | | \( +---------------------------| | | Peon w/o Email privs | *---------------------------------+---------------------------* " 10399,4,"From: jtrascap@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jim Trascapoulos) Subject: Re: Can I put a 1.44 floppy in an SE? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 24 ericr@solbourne.com (Eric Robison) writes: >I've got a Mac SE, I've got a spare 1.44mb floppy drive. I've seen SE's ith >a 1.44 floppy drive. Can I put my floppy drive into my SE and get it to ork? >If so, how? >Thanks! >Eric >-- >| Eric Robison |Disclaimer: I claim dis. >| ericr@Solbourne.com | >| GET ME OFFA THIS &*^*&%&^# PLANET!! Sure thing - You'll have to get an FDHD upgrade kit from Apple, which includes a HD floppy drive, 2 different chips (the SWIM chip was mentioned in another post) and a different floppy drive cable. Get the Apple kit through your dealer. ** Jim Trascapoulos * jtrascap@nyx.du.edu * ""What size ID do YOU wear?"" ** " 10400,4,"Distribution: world From: Pamela_E._Mullen@dbug.org Organization: Seattle Mac dBUG Return-Receipt-To: Pamela_E._Mullen@dbug.org Subject: PB 100 to Non Apple Printer Lines: 8 Is there a workaround which will enable me to print to a HPLJ4 from my Powerbook 100? (Actually I'm going to a 4M which will have an Ethernet card in the LocalTalk slot!!!GRRRRR). Is there some hardware which will enable me to this easily (kind of plug and play!). Thanks, Pam Mullen -- [ This message was sent by a member of Seattle Mac dBUG's ExChange BBS ] PO Box 3463, Seattle, WA 98114 USA Infoline (206) 624-9329 " 10401,4,"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: Cheapest mike for Centris? Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.220053.27621 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 13 In article summeral@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Summerall Thomas G) writes: > >I just bought a Centris 650 and discovered, to my dispointment, that Apple >has gotten too cheap to include a mike anymore, internal or external. You get a mic with the C650 if you get it with the internal CD ROM drive. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu " 10402,9,"From: bbf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BENJAMIN BROOKER FRADKIN) Subject: Tigers pound Mariners!!!!!!! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 7 Were they palying football or baseball in Detroit on Saturday? From looking at the school, some people may think it was football. Between two games this week, the Tigers scored 40 runs!!!! The offense can carry them, I hope the pitching will hold out. I was at Camden Yards yesterday, everytime I looked up the score was getting higher. What a great site it was to see the Tigers kicking butt while enjoying a game at Camden Yards. GO TIGERS AND GO TONY PHILLIPS!!!!!!!! " 10403,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: 1993 NL East Champion PHILLIES Article-I.D.: usenet.C51J5C.AMx Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: poppy.journalism.indiana.edu Robert C Hite writes > Here are the projected lineups, benches, rotation and bullpen for > the 1993 National League East Champion Philadelphia Phillies: I think the only Phillies in effect here are Philly Blunts. Of course, if this all becomes true, I'll be the first to smoke one myself. -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 10404,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: R/S Battery of the Month Club Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article jwaterma@jade.tufts.edu (Jason Waterman) writes: >I talked to a friend who works for Radio Shack, and he said the deal >with the Red Batteries were that they had too much lead in them. >Condidering the Red Batteries had a life cycle shorter than a mayflies, >I think the EPA was worried about all those batteries being dumped out. Pardon me, but why would carbon-zinc cells have any lead in them at all. --scott " 10405,8,"From: der10@cus.cam.ac.uk (David Rourke) Subject: xs1100 timing Organization: U of Cambridge, England Lines: 4 Nntp-Posting-Host: bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk Could some kind soul tell me the advance timing/revs for a 1981 xs1100 special (bought in Canada). thanks. " 10406,4,"From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: Re: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? Article-I.D.: usenet.1prg8a$psr Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) says: >This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just >introduced. I'm thinking of getting one to use at home. Have any of you >had any experience with this printer? Does it have Level-2 PostScript? >If you've bought one, are you happy with it? > >-- >John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu >University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu >Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 >B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 > Frankly, I think this model is a screwup. It does not have PostScriptlevel 2, only has 13 fonts, and does not even have fine print or photograde, or grayshare. Even the 300 model has this! I am shocked by the kind of features you get for this printer. I myself was hoping for some decent printer to replace the Personal Laser Writers. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. ""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" " 10407,10,"From: v103r4g8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We will NOT cave in....GODS OF WAR, Def Leppard) Subject: HELP HELP HELP Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 11 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Does anyone have the NHL STANDINGS for March 28th? I need them IMMEDIATELY for a project. Please post or email. THANKS. ************************************************************************* Andy Hillery --- School Of Architecture State University of New York at Buffalo ************************************************************************* " 10408,5,"From: stevevr@tt718.ecs.comm.mot.com (Steve Vranyes) Subject: Re: TeleUse, UIM/X, and C++ Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.155.12 Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr1.213842.6086@ctp.com>, hubec@ctp.com (Hubert Chou) writes: |> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to integrate C++ code elegantly |> with TeleUse, UIM/X / Interface Architect generated code? |> |> Source would be great, but any suggestions are welcome. |> |> |> Hubie Chou |> (617) 374-8454 |> hubec@ctp.com |> I don't know a great deal about the support for C++ in UIM/X, but I can tell you that there is good support for it in TeleUSE. In TeleUSE you can call any C++ method from a ""D"" module. What you can do then is to use the ""D"" language for most of your interface code and then use C++ for you application code. I should tell you that there is some real neat stuff coming out of TeleUSE soon in regard to C++, but I can't give you many details. You should talk to your local sales rep and get the lowdown on what they will be doing in the near furture. If you want example code of how C++ integrates with TeleUSE you should look at $TeleUSE/examples/Thermometer -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Steve Vranyes | |Voice : (708) 576 - 0338 | |E-mail : stevevr@ecs.comm.mot.com | |U.S.Post : Motorola Inc. | | 1301 E. Algonquin Rd. | | Schaumburg, IL 60196 | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 10409,18,"From: shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Reply-To: shou@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 SPEAKING OF VAT: Did anyone see CNN's report yesterday (4/15)? It was quite hillarious (no pun intended). They ran down how a percent tax was added at each stage of manufacturing, graphicaly depicting a stack of quarters being added at each wholesale stage. When they got to the final stage (the actual retail sale) the small stack of quarters added to the large stack already there was said to be ""the amount paid by consumers."" In other words, they completed ignored the fact that at each stage the tax would of course be passed on to the next buyer with the retail consumer paying the full load. These are not journalists--they're lap dogs. -- Roger Shouse The University of Chicago Email: shou@midway.uchicago.edu " 10410,7,"From: kastle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks. -- : I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small : : OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just : : thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. : : Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering : " 10411,0,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Not the Omni! Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 18 Charley Wingate (mangoe@cs.umd.edu) wrote: : : >> Please enlighten me. How is omnipotence contradictory? : : >By definition, all that can occur in the universe is governed by the rules : >of nature. Thus god cannot break them. Anything that god does must be allowed : >in the rules somewhere. Therefore, omnipotence CANNOT exist! It contradicts : >the rules of nature. : : Obviously, an omnipotent god can change the rules. When you say, ""By definition"", what exactly is being defined; certainly not omnipotence. You seem to be saying that the ""rules of nature"" are pre-existant somehow, that they not only define nature but actually cause it. If that's what you mean I'd like to hear your further thoughts on the question. Bill " 10412,11,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Clipper -- some new thoughts Lines: 7 The cryptographic algorythm MUST be kept secret, or private individuals could make ClipperClones with which they could transmit messages which the feds would not have ready access to. This is clearly unacceptable. I hope somebody starts doing this soon after the first ones are released... " 10413,7,"From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel) Subject: Storing a car long term Keywords: tires cars storage Article-I.D.: hico2.C50Myy.4Ew Reply-To: kak@hico2.westmark.com Organization: High Country Software Lines: 16 I bought a car with a defunct engine, to use for parts for my old but still running version of the same car. The car I bought has good tires. Is there anything in particular that I should do to store the defunct car long-term? I'd hate to have parts of it go bad. Someone has told me it's bad for the tires to not move the car once-in-a-while. Is this true? Do I need some props to take the weight of the tires? Best to reply by mail, I am getting spotty news delivery. Kris A. Kugel 908-842-2707 hico2!kak kak@hico2.westmark.com " 10414,2,"From: dmmatt@cajun Subject: Re: Need Windows-logo Lines: 19 Organization: Monsanto Company In article <1qjqed$1ft@access.digex.net>, holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland) writes: > Markus Maier (S_MAIER_M@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote: > : Hi, > > : Well I'm searching for the Ms-Windows logo, u know the picture when u > : start Windows, in some suitable grafics-format, like gif or jpg,... > > C:\windows\system\vgalogo.rle. If my memory serves me correctly, > *.rle is a compressed *.bmp format. > An is readable by WinGif, Paintshop Pro, Paint, and god knows how many other programs. -- Mike Mattix Agricultural Group of Monsanto P.O. Box 174 Luling, LA 70070 INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com " 10415,4,"From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu Subject: Re: LCIII problems Organization: University of Houston Lines: 32 Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: transposon.bchs.uh.edu In article <1993Apr16.021225.19717@leland.Stanford.EDU> Ravi Konchigeri writes: > Finally got my computer fixed and I'd like to sum up. > > About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad > sector or something) was an IBM. The new one is a Quantum. Is the LCIII > supposed to be shipped with IBMs? Is there a quality difference? > Apparently! :) > > Second, about hard drive position. I've put the LCIII on its side and > the new 160 HD has had no problems at all. I've even switched back and > forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems. As far > as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up > to 160 meg, in any computer. Don't know about CD-ROM, though. > > > ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."" > > Ravi Konchigeri. > mongoose@leland.stanford.edu Ravi, Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position, it can not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical position. I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from now, but why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem, please mail me at:===> sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu <===. Sunny " 10416,13,"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter Part 1/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 708 ------------- cut here ----------------- Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 +------------------------------------------------+ ! ! ! Health Info-Com Network ! ! Medical Newsletter ! +------------------------------------------------+ Editor: David Dodell, D.M.D. 10250 North 92nd Street, Suite 210, Scottsdale, Arizona 85258-4599 USA Telephone +1 (602) 860-1121 FAX +1 (602) 451-1165 Compilation Copyright 1993 by David Dodell, D.M.D. All rights Reserved. License is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged, so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions. The Health Info-Com Network Newsletter is distributed biweekly. Articles on a medical nature are welcomed. If you have an article, please contact the editor for information on how to submit it. If you are interested in joining the automated distribution system, please contact the editor. E-Mail Address: Editor: Internet: david@stat.com FidoNet = 1:114/15 Bitnet = ATW1H@ASUACAD LISTSERV = MEDNEWS@ASUACAD.BITNET (or internet: mednews@asuvm.inre.asu.edu) anonymous ftp = vm1.nodak.edu Notification List = hicn-notify-request@stat.com FAX Delivery = Contact Editor for information :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S 1. Comments & News from the Editor OCR / Scanner News ................................................... 1 2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR [16 April 1993] Emerging Infectious Diseases ......................... 3 Outbreak of E. coli Infections from Hamburgers ....................... 5 Use of Smokeless Tobacoo Among Adults ................................ 10 Gonorrhea ............................................................ 14 Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Children less than 11 years Age ... 17 Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ............................ 21 3. Clinical Research News High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies ......................... 24 4. Articles Low Levels Airborne Particles Linked to Serious Asthma Attacks ....... 29 NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma ..................... 31 National Cancer Insitute Designated Cancer Centers ................... 32 5. General Announcments UCI Medical Education Software Repository ............................ 40 6. AIDS News Summaries AIDS Daily Summary April 12 to April 15, 1993 ........................ 41 7. AIDS/HIV Articles First HIV Vaccine Trial Begins in HIV-Infected Children .............. 47 New Evidence that the HIV Can Cause Disease Independently ............ 50 Clinical Consultation Telephone Service for AIDS ..................... 52 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page i Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Comments & News from the Editor :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I would like to continue to thank everyone who has sent in a donation for the Mednews OCR/Scanner Fund. We have reached our goal! A Hewlett Packard Scanjet IIp was purchased this week. Thank you to the following individuals whose contributions I just received: John Sorenson Carol Sigelman Carla Moore Barbara Moose Judith Schrier Again, thank you to all who gave! I have been using Wordscan Plus for the past couple of weeks and would like to review the product. Wordscan Plus is a product of Calera Recognition Systems. It runs under Windows 3.1 and supports that Accufont Technology of the Hewlett Packard Scanners. When initially bringing up the software, it lets you select several options; (1) text / graphics (2) input source ie scanner, fax file, disk file (3) automatic versus manual decomposition of the scanned image. I like manual decomposition since the software then lets me select which parts of the document I would like scanned, and in what order. Once an image is scanned, you can bring up the Pop-Up image verification. The software gives you two ""errors"" at this point. Blue which are words that were converted reliability, but do not match anything in the built-in dictionary. Yellow shade, which are words that Wordscan Plus doesn't think it converted correctly at all. I have found that the software should give itself more credit. It is usually correct, instead of wrong. If a word is shaded blue, you can add it to your personal dictionary. The only problem is the personal dictionary will only handle about 200 words. I find this to be very limited, considering how many medical terms are not in a normal dictionary. After a document is converted, you can save it in a multitude of word processor formats. Also any images that were captured can be stored in a seperate TIFF or PCX file format. I was extremely impressed on the percent accuracy for fax files. I use HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 1 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 an Intel Satisfaxtion card, which stores incoming faxs in a PCX/DCX format. While most of my faxes were received in ""standard"" mode (200x100 dpi), the accuracy of Wordscan Plus was excellent. Overall, a very impressive product. The only fault I could find is the limitations of the size of the user dictionary. 200 specialized words is just too small. If anyone has any specific questions, please do not hesitate to send me email. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 2 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Emerging Infectious Diseases ============================ SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Introduction Despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would soon be eliminated as a public health problem (1), infectious diseases remain the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in the United States. Since the early 1970s, the U.S. public health system has been challenged by a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes (e.g., Escherichia coli O157:H7, hepatitis C virus, human immunodeficiency virus, Legionnaires disease, Lyme disease, and toxic shock syndrome). The incidences of many diseases widely presumed to be under control, such as cholera, malaria, and tuberculosis (TB), have increased in many areas. Furthermore, control and prevention of infectious diseases are undermined by drug resistance in conditions such as gonorrhea, malaria, pneumococcal disease, salmonellosis, shigellosis, TB, and staphylococcal infections (2). Emerging infections place a disproportionate burden on immunocompromised persons, those in institutional settings (e.g., hospitals and child day care centers), and minority and underserved populations. The substantial economic burden of emerging infections on the U.S. health-care system could be reduced by more effective surveillance systems and targeted control and prevention programs (3). This issue of MMWR introduces a new series, ""Emerging Infectious Diseases."" Future articles will address these diseases, as well as surveillance, control, and prevention efforts by health-care providers and public health officials. This first article updates the ongoing investigation of an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 in the western United States (4). References 1. Burnet M. Natural history of infectious disease. Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press, 1963. 2. Kunin CM. Resistance to antimicrobial drugs -- a worldwide calamity. Ann Intern Med 1993;118:557-61. 3. Lederberg J, Shope RE, Oaks SC Jr, eds. Emerging infections: microbial threats to health in the United States. Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1992. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 3 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 4. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 4 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Update: Multistate Outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 Infections from Hamburgers -- Western United States, 1992-1993 ======================================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 From November 15, 1992, through February 28, 1993, more than 500 laboratory-confirmed infections with E. coli O157:H7 and four associated deaths occurred in four states -- Washington, Idaho, California, and Nevada. This report summarizes the findings from an ongoing investigation (1) that identified a multistate outbreak resulting from consumption of hamburgers from one restaurant chain. Washington On January 13, 1993, a physician reported to the Washington Department of Health a cluster of children with hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) and an increase in emergency room visits for bloody diarrhea. During January 16-17, a case-control study comparing 16 of the first cases of bloody diarrhea or postdiarrheal HUS identified with age- and neighborhood-matched controls implicated eating at chain A restaurants during the week before symptom onset (matched odds ratio OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=3.5). On January 18, a multistate recall of unused hamburger patties from chain A restaurants was initiated. As a result of publicity and case-finding efforts, during January- February 1993, 602 patients with bloody diarrhea or HUS were reported to the state health department. A total of 477 persons had illnesses meeting the case definition of culture-confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection or postdiarrheal HUS (Figure 1). Of the 477 persons, 52 (11%) had close contact with a person with confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection during the week preceding onset of symptoms. Of the remaining 425 persons, 372 (88%) reported eating in a chain A restaurant during the 9 days preceding onset of symptoms. Of the 338 patients who recalled what they ate in a chain A restaurant, 312 (92%) reported eating a regular-sized hamburger patty. Onsets of illness peaked from January 17 through January 20. Of the 477 casepatients, 144 (30%) were hospitalized; 30 developed HUS, and three died. The median age of patients was 7.5 years (range: 0-74 years). Idaho Following the outbreak report from Washington, the Division of Health, Idaho Department of Health and Welfare, identified 14 persons with culture- confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection, with illness onset dates from December 11, 1992, through February 16, 1993 (Figure 2A). Four persons were hospitalized; one developed HUS. During the week preceding illness onset, 13 (93%) had eaten at a chain A restaurant. California In late December, the San Diego County Department of Health Services was notified of a child with E. coli O157:H7 infection who subsequently died. Active surveillance and record review then identified eight other persons with E. coli O157:H7 infections or HUS from mid-November through mid-January 1993. Four of the nine reportedly had recently eaten at a chain A restaurant and HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 5 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 four at a chain B restaurant in San Diego. After the Washington outbreak was reported, reviews of medical records at five hospitals revealed an overall 27% increase in visits or admissions for diarrhea during December 1992 and January 1993 compared with the same period 1 year earlier. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness in which stool culture yielded E. coli O157:H7, with onset from November 15, 1992, through January 31, 1993. Illnesses of 34 patients met the case definition (Figure 2B). The outbreak strain was identified in stool specimens of six patients. Fourteen persons were hospitalized, seven developed HUS, and one child died. The median age of case-patients was 10 years (range: 1-58 years). A case-control study of the first 25 case-patients identified and age- and sex-matched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant in San Diego (matched OR=13; 95% confidence interval CI=1.7-99). A study comparing case-patients who ate at chain A restaurants with well meal companions implicated regular- sized hamburger patties (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=1.3). Chain B was not statistically associated with illness. Nevada On January 22, after receiving a report of a child with HUS who had eaten at a local chain A restaurant, the Clark County (Las Vegas) Health District issued a press release requesting that persons with recent bloody diarrhea contact the health department. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness with a stool culture yielding the Washington strain of E. coli O157:H7, with onset from December 1, 1992, through February 7, 1993. Because local laboratories were not using sorbitol MacConkey (SMAC) medium to screen stools for E. coli O157:H7, this organism was not identified in any patient. After SMAC medium was distributed, the outbreak strain was detected in the stool of one patient 38 days after illness onset. Of 58 persons whose illnesses met the case definition (Figure 2C), nine were hospitalized; three developed HUS. The median age was 30.5 years (range: 0-83 years). Analysis of the first 21 patients identified and age- and sex- matched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant during the week preceding illness onset (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=4.9). A case-control study using well meal companions of case-patients also implicated eating hamburgers at chain A (matched OR=6.0; 95% CI=0.7- 49.8). Other Investigation Findings During the outbreak, chain A restaurants in Washington linked with cases primarily were serving regular-sized hamburger patties produced on November 19, 1992; some of the same meat was used in ""jumbo"" patties produced on November 20, 1992. The outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 was isolated from 11 lots of patties produced on those two dates; these lots had been distributed to restaurants in all states where illness occurred. Approximately 272,672 (20%) of the implicated patties were recovered by the recall. A meat traceback by a CDC team identified five slaughter plants in the United States and one in Canada as the likely sources of carcasses used in the HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 6 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 contaminated lots of meat and identified potential control points for reducing the likelihood of contamination. The animals slaughtered in domestic slaughter plants were traced to farms and auctions in six western states. No one slaughter plant or farm was identified as the source. Further investigation of cases related to secondary transmission in families and child day care settings is ongoing. Reported by: M Davis, DVM, C Osaki, MSPH, Seattle-King County Dept of Public Health; D Gordon, MS, MW Hinds, MD, Snohomish Health District, Everett; K Mottram, C Winegar, MPH, Tacoma-Pierce County Health Dept; ED Avner, MD, PI Tarr, MD, Dept of Pediatrics, D Jardine, MD, Depts of Anesthesiology and Pediatrics, Univ of Washington School of Medicine and Children's Hospital and Medical Center, Seattle; M Goldoft, MD, B Bartleson, MPH; J Lewis, JM Kobayashi, MD, State Epidemiologist, Washington Dept of Health. G Billman, MD, J Bradley, MD, Children's Hospital, San Diego; S Hunt, P Tanner, RES, M Ginsberg, MD, San Diego County Dept of Health Svcs; L Barrett, DVM, SB Werner, MD, GW Rutherford, III, MD, State Epidemiologist, California Dept of Health Svcs. RW Jue, Central District Health Dept, Boise; H Root, Southwest District Health Dept, Caldwell; D Brothers, MA, RL Chehey, MS, RH Hudson, PhD, Div of Health, Idaho State Public Health Laboratory, FR Dixon, MD, State Epidemiologist, Div of Health, Idaho Dept of Health and Welfare. DJ Maxson, Environmental Epidemiology Program, L Empey, PA, O Ravenholt, MD, VH Ueckart, DVM, Clark County Health District, Las Vegas; A DiSalvo, MD, Nevada State Public Health Laboratory; DS Kwalick, MD, R Salcido, MPH, D Brus, DVM, State Epidemiologist, Div of Health, Nevada State Dept of Human Resources. Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration. Food Safety Inspection Svc, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Svc, US Dept of Agriculture. Div of Field Epidemiology, Epidemiology Program Office; Enteric Diseases Br, Div of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC. Editorial Note: E. coli O157:H7 is a pathogenic gram-negative bacterium first identified as a cause of illness in 1982 during an outbreak of severe bloody diarrhea traced to contaminated hamburgers (2). This pathogen has since emerged as an important cause of both bloody diarrhea and HUS, the most common cause of acute renal failure in children. Outbreak investigations have linked most cases with the consumption of undercooked ground beef, although other food vehicles, including roast beef, raw milk, and apple cider, also have been implicated (3). Preliminary data from a CDC 2-year, nationwide, multicenter study revealed that when stools were routinely cultured for E. coli O157:H7 that organism was isolated more frequently than Shigella in four of 10 participating hospitals and was isolated from 7.8% of all bloody stools, a higher rate than for any other pathogen. Infection with E. coli O157:H7 often is not recognized because most clinical laboratories do not routinely culture stools for this organism on HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 7 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 SMAC medium, and many clinicians are unaware of the spectrum of illnesses associated with infection (4). The usual clinical manifestations are diarrhea (often bloody) and abdominal cramps; fever is infrequent. Younger age groups and the elderly are at highest risk for clinical manifestations and complications. Illness usually resolves after 6-8 days, but 2%-7% of patients develop HUS, which is characterized by hemolytic anemia, thrombocytopenia, renal failure, and a death rate of 3%-5%. This report illustrates the difficulties in recognizing community outbreaks of E. coli O157:H7 in the absence of routine surveillance. Despite the magnitude of this outbreak, the problem may not have been recognized in three states if the epidemiologic link had not been established in Washington (1). Clinical laboratories should routinely culture stool specimens from persons with bloody diarrhea or HUS for E. coli O157:H7 using SMAC agar (5). When infections with E. coli O157:H7 are identified, they should be reported to local health departments for further evaluation and, if necessary, public health action to prevent further cases. E. coli O157:H7 lives in the intestines of healthy cattle, and can contaminate meat during slaughter. CDC is collaborating with the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety Inspection Service to identify critical control points in processing as a component of a program to reduce the likelihood of pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7 entering the meat supply. Because slaughtering practices can result in contamination of raw meat with pathogens, and because the process of grinding beef may transfer pathogens from the surface of the meat to the interior, ground beef is likely to be internally contaminated. The optimal food protection practice is to cook ground beef thoroughly until the interior is no longer pink, and the juices are clear. In this outbreak, undercooking of hamburger patties likely played an important role. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued interim recommendations to increase the internal temperature for cooked hamburgers to 155 F (86.1 C) (FDA, personal communication, 1993). Regulatory actions stimulated by the outbreak described in this report and the recovery of thousands of contaminated patties before they could be consumed emphasize the value of rapid public health investigations of outbreaks. The public health impact and increasing frequency of isolation of this pathogen underscore the need for improved surveillance for infections caused by E. coli O157:H7 and for HUS to better define the epidemiology of E. coli O157:H7. References 1. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6. 2. Riley LW, Remis RS, Helgerson SD, et al. Hemorrhagic colitis associated with a rare Escherichia coli serotype. N Engl J Med 1983;308:681-5. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 8 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 3. Griffin PM, Tauxe RV. The epidemiology of infections caused by Escherichia coli O157:H7, other enterohemorrhagic E. coli, and the associated hemolytic uremic syndrome. Epidemiol Rev 1991;13:60-98. 4. Griffin PM, Ostroff SM, Tauxe RV, et al. Illnesses associated with Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections: a broad clinical spectrum. Ann Intern Med 1988;109:705-12. 5. March SB, Ratnam S. Latex agglutination test HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 9 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Use of Smokeless Tobacco Among Adults -- United States, 1991 ======================================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Consumption of moist snuff and other smokeless tobacco products in the United States almost tripled from 1972 through 1991 (1). Long-term use of smokeless tobacco is associated with nicotine addiction and increased risk of oral cancer (2) -- the incidence of which could increase if young persons who currently use smokeless tobacco continue to use these products frequently (1). To monitor trends in the prevalence of use of smokeless tobacco products, CDC's 1991 National Health Interview Survey-Health Promotion and Disease Prevention supplement (NHIS-HPDP) collected information on snuff and chewing tobacco use and smoking from a representative sample of the U.S. civilian, noninstitutionalized population aged greater than or equal to 18 years. This report summarizes findings from this survey. The 1991 NHIS-HPDP supplement asked ""Have you used snuff at least 20 times in your entire life?"" and ""Do you use snuff now?"" Similar questions were asked about chewing tobacco use and cigarette smoking. Current users of smokeless tobacco were defined as those who reported snuff or chewing tobacco use at least 20 times and who reported using snuff or chewing tobacco at the time of the interview; former users were defined as those who reported having used snuff or chewing tobacco at least 20 times and not using either at the time of the interview. Ever users of smokeless tobacco included current and former users. Current smokers were defined as those who reported smoking at least 100 cigarettes and who were currently smoking and former smokers as those who reported having smoked at least 100 cigarettes and who were not smoking now. Ever smokers included current and former smokers. Data on smokeless tobacco use were available for 43,732 persons aged greater than or equal to 18 years and were adjusted for nonresponse and weighted to provide national estimates. Confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by using standard errors generated by the Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (3). In 1991, an estimated 5.3 million (2.9%) U.S. adults were current users of smokeless tobacco, including 4.8 million (5.6%) men and 533,000 (0.6%) women. For all categories of comparison, the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was substantially higher among men. For men, the prevalence of use was highest among those aged 18-24 years (Table 1); for women, the prevalence was highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. The prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among men was highest among American Indians/Alaskan Natives and whites; the prevalence among women was highest among American Indians/Alaskan Natives and blacks. Among both men and women, prevalence of smokeless tobacco use declined with increasing education. Prevalence was substantially higher among residents of the southern United States and in rural areas. Although the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was higher among HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 10 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 men and women below the poverty level, * this difference was significant only for women (p less than 0.05) (Table 1). Among men, the prevalence of current use of snuff was highest among those aged 18-44 years but varied considerably by age; the prevalence of use of chewing tobacco was more evenly distributed by age group (Table 2). Although women rarely used smokeless tobacco, the prevalence of snuff use was highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. An estimated 7.9 million (4.4% 95% CI=4.1-4.6) adults reported being former smokeless tobacco users. Among ever users, the proportion who were former smokeless tobacco users was 59.9% (95% CI=57.7-62.1). Among persons aged 18-24 years, the proportion of former users was lower among snuff users (56.2% 95% CI=49.4-63.0) than among chewing tobacco users (70.4% 95% CI=64.2-76.6). Among persons aged 45-64 years, the proportion of former users was similar for snuff (68.9% 95% CI=63.1-74.7) and chewing tobacco (73.5% 95% CI=68.9-78.1). Among current users of smokeless tobacco, 22.9% (95% CI=19.9-26.0) currently smoked, 33.3% (95% CI=30.0-36.5) formerly smoked, and 43.8% (95% CI=39.9-47.7) never smoked. In comparison, among current smokers, 2.6% (95% CI=2.3-3.0) were current users of smokeless tobacco. Daily use of smokeless tobacco was more common among snuff users (67.3% 95% CI=63.2-71.4) than among chewing tobacco users (45.1% 95% CI=40.6- 49.6). Reported by: Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion; Div of Health Interview Statistics, National Center for Health Statistics, CDC. Editorial Note: The findings in this report indicate that the use of smokeless tobacco was highest among young males. Adolescent and young adult males, in particular, are the target of marketing strategies by tobacco companies that link smokeless tobacco with athletic performance and virility. Use of oral snuff has risen markedly among professional baseball players, encouraging this behavior among adolescent and young adult males and increasing their risk for nicotine addiction, oral cancer, and other mouth disorders (4). Differences in the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among racial/ethnic groups may be influenced by differences in educational levels and socioeconomic status as well as social and cultural phenomena that require further explanation. For example, targeted marketing practices may play a role in maintaining or increasing prevalence among some groups, and affecting the differential initiation of smokeless tobacco use by young persons (5,6). In this report, one concern is that nearly one fourth of current smokeless tobacco users also smoke cigarettes. In the 1991 NHIS-HPDP, the prevalence of cigarette smoking was higher among former smokeless tobacco users than among current and never smokeless tobacco users. In a previous study among college students, 18% of current smokeless tobacco users smoked HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 11 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 occasionally (7). In addition, approximately 7% of adults who formerly smoked reported substituting other tobacco products for cigarettes in an effort to stop smoking (8). Health-care providers should recognize the potential health implications of concurrent smokeless tobacco and cigarette use. The national health objectives for the year 2000 have established special population target groups for the reduction of the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use, including males aged 12-24 years (to no more than 4% by the year 2000 objective 3.9) and American Indian/Alaskan Native youth (to no more than 10% by the year 2000 objective 3.9a) (9). Strategies to lower the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use include continued monitoring of smokeless tobacco use, integrating smoking and smokeless tobacco-control efforts, enforcing laws that restrict minors' access to tobacco, making excise taxes commensurate with those on cigarettes, encouraging health-care providers to routinely provide cessation advice and follow-up, providing school-based prevention and cessation interventions, and adopting policies that prohibit tobacco use on school property and at school-sponsored events (5). References 1. Office of Evaluations and Inspections. Spit tobacco and youth. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Inspector General, 1992; DHHS publication no. (OEI-06)92-00500. 2. National Institutes of Health. The health consequences of using smokeless tobacco: a report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1986; DHHS publication no. (NIH)86-2874. 3. Shah BV. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.30 Software documentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1989. 4. Connolly GN, Orleans CT, Blum A. Snuffing tobacco out of sport. Am J Public Health 1992;82:351-3. 5. National Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco or health: an international perspective. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Institutes of Health, 1992; DHHS publication no. (NIH)92-3461. 6. Foreyt JP, Jackson AS, Squires WG, Hartung GH, Murray TD, Gotto AM. Psychological profile of college students who use smokeless tobacco. Addict Behav 1993;18:107-16. 7. Glover ED, Laflin M, Edwards SW. Age of initiation and switching patterns HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 12 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 between smokeless tobacco and cigarettes among college students in the United States. Am J Public Health 1989;79:207-8. 8. CDC. Tobacco use in 1986: methods and tabulations from Adult Use of Tobacco Survey. Rockville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, CDC, 1990; DHHS publication no. (OM)90-2004. 9. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and disease prevention objectives. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91- 50213. --------- end of part 1 ------------ --- Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na " 10417,10,"From: ""Justin R. Fortun"" Subject: Re: Playoff Predictions Organization: Freshman, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr04.223559.7129@rose.com> >B(--> Stanley Cup Champion: Vancouver Canucks > >Sorry, Pittsburgh in a walk. > >- Jack First of all, the Penguins WILL win the cup again. Who is going to stop them? Definitely not the Canucks! My predictions: Patrick Division winner: Pittsburgh Adams Division winner: Quebec or Montreal Norris Division winner: Detroit Smythe Division winner: Winnipeg Wales conference champ: Pittsburgh Campbell Conference champ: Detroit Stanley Cup Champions(again): Pittsburgh Canucks suck. They'll lose in the first round, compliments of Winnipeg and Teemu Selanne. The Pens are almost unstoppable with Mario Lemieux. " 10418,3,"From: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu (Tow Wang Hui) Subject: NEEDED: ProDesigner IIs drivers Keywords: Orchid ProDesigner IIs Windows 3.1 Article-I.D.: srvr1.1pst16INN4m3 Reply-To: towwang@engin.umich.edu Distribution: world Organization: University of Michigan (CAEN) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: statler.engin.umich.edu Originator: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu Could anybody please provide me a copy of the Windows 3.1 drivers and grabbers from Orchid Technologies for use with their ProDesigner IIs ISA video card? Currently I do not have access to a modem to dial out to Orchid BBS. If you can help me, please do any of the following, wichever is most convenient to you: 1) Copy the binary files to a directory readable by any user in any cell of the Andrew File System 2) Upload the binary files to an anonymous FTP site (where allowed). 3) uuencode the files and send them to me by electronic mail. Please notify me by electronic mail at towwang@caen.engin.umich.edu Thanks in advance. Francisco " 10419,16,"From: schabel@calspan.com (Dave Schabel) Subject: Re: Gun Nuts and Holly Silva Article-I.D.: calspan.1993Apr5.215700.4600 Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: riemann-gw In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >In article <1993Apr1.010834.4326@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes: >>Both the "" Gun Nuts"" and the gays are aggressively defensive and quite >>hostile to any one trying to deprive them of their rights. Just like >>any group trying to protect their rights. > >The fallacy of this whole thing is that YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT IN JEAPARDY >BY THESE POSTS. How can you say that? I presume that you mean that talking about restricting rights is not the same as restricting those rights. Well, arguing for those restrictions may lead to implementation, much the same way as assault can lead to battery (legal definitions). >Most t.p.g people and the homosexual groups won't even >discuss the subject at all in a polite form. The mere raising of a question >as to why the rights are there or what exactly the 'right' encompasses >bring shrill posts and angry/hostile traffic. Well, I can't speak for the homosexuals, but I've seen ALOT of polite discussion on t.p.g. Please, everyone, don't take this guy's word, or mine for that matter, on it. Read t.p.g. for a while, and try to determine from which direction most of the flameage originates. If you post without flamebait, you will generally receive reasoned responses. True, there are those who tend to lose their tempers quickly, as there are on all newsgroups, but they really do feel their rights are in jeopardy. Oh, and neat trick talking derisively about another newsgroup while not crossposting to allow them to defend themselves. >I think a lot of t.p.g people have very thin skin when it comes to >discussing these subjects. Methinks you doth protest too much. Dave Schabel -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Schabel | Opinions and comments contained herein are mine and | schabel@calspan.com | do not necessarilly reflect those of Calspan Corp or | Located in Western NY| its customers. | " 10420,3,"From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Subject: Re: How much should I pay for a SCSI cable (with 3 or 4 connectors)? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 21 In danj@hub.parallan.com (Dan Jones) writes: | > >Also, I seem to remember a posting saying that the SCSI spec calls for | > >1 foot between devices on the cable, but most cables you get (internal) | > >don't meet the spec. | | SCSI II Draft Proposal, Rev. 10h, Section 4.2.1: Single-Ended | cable, which is in the Cable Requirements Section, has an | implementor's note: "" Stub clustering should be avoided. Stubs | should be spaced at least 0.3 meters apart."" | | For the non-technical, stubs are SCSI devices. :-) However, also be aware that Implementor's notes are basicly recommendations, they are *NOT* part of the spec. As others have noted, many vendors (including SGI) violate this. Indeed, the main point is to reduce impedance changes, and therefore reflections, and therefore 'noise' on the bus. -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com " 10421,4,"From: Daniel Salber Subject: Quadras VRAM Question X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 23:22:27 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: planet Organization: IMAG Institute, Grenoble, France X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 28 Hi there, I have a question regarding Quadras VRAM. I have tried to find info on this but I could not get precise answers. On one hand, we have a Quadra 950 with a 16"" monitor, which is capable of 32-bit color. How much VRAM does it have? On the other hand, we have a Quadra 800 with a 16"" monitor, which is capable of 8-bit color only, so it must have 512 Ko of VRAM. I would like to take VRAM SIMMs for the 950 and put them in the 800 so that both machines have 16-bit color capability. Is it possible, and if yes, how many VRAM SIMMs should I take from the 950? From the documentation I have, the Quadra 800 must get 1 Mo VRAM to have 16-bit color, is that correct? Bonus question: where do VRAM SIMMs hide? From the 950 documentation, they seem to be *behind* the power supply. Do I really have to take off the power supply to access the VRAM SIMMs? Thanks for your help! -- Daniel Salber, User Interface Research Team, LGI-IMAG, Grenoble, France. salber@imag.fr " 10422,14,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 27 In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: >Seriously though. If you were to ask the British government >whether their colonisation efforts in the Americas were cost >effective, what answer do you think you'd get? What if you asked >in 1765, 1815, 1865, 1915 and 1945 respectively? ;-) What do you mean? Are you saying they thought the effort was profitable or that the money was efficiently spent (providing max value per money spent)? I think they would answer yes on ballance to both questions. Exceptions would be places like the US from the French Indian War to the end of the US Revolution. But even after the colonies revolted or where given independance the British engaged in very lucrative trading with the former colonies. Five years after the American Revolution England was still the largest US trading partner. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ " 10423,2,"From: thang@harebell.egr.uh.edu (Chin-Heng Thang) Subject: Win 3.1 startup screen downgraded to win 3.0 startup screen ???!!!?!?! Organization: University of Houston Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: harebell.egr.uh.edu HHHHEEEELLLLPPPP Meeeeeee! I installed a 256 color svga driver for my windows last week. This driver was downloaded from ftp.cica.indiana.edu specifically for Paradise svga card. However, after I installed it and when I run windows, the startup screen in the beginning becomes the old windows 3.0 startup screen ????!!??!! Everything works fine except the startup screen. I know the startup screen must have been changed in the system.ini file (or is it ?) but I couldn't figure out what to alter! Can some one help me with this? Please e-mail to my address: thang@tree.egr.uh.edu or thang@jetson.uh.edu In addition, can anyone know where can I get a 1024x680 paradise svga driver (256 color) ? this is a used computer and I do not have anything (drivers, etc) regarding the driver.... thanks in advance.......;o) " 10424,6,"From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) Subject: Monitor For Sale Organization: IQ Software Corp. Lines: 5 For sale KFC SVGA Monitor 1024X768 .28DP Non-interlaced 14"" Screen, still under warranty! $ 295.00 or best offer! " 10425,6,"From: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu (Jose Unpingco) Subject: FOR SALE: ULTRABOTS PC GAME Keywords: ULTRABOTS,video game, pc game Lines: 6 Electronics Art's Ultrabots game for sale with book and original 3.5"" disks in the original box. - $22 or best offer. contact: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu " 10426,13,"From: lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger) Subject: Modified sense of taste in Cancer pt? Keywords: cancer Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 13 What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems ""off"" when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible causes of this? Why does it happen? Pt has Stage II breast cancer, and is taking tamoxifin. Also has Stage IV lung cancer with known CNA metastasis, and is taking klonopin (also had cranial radiation treatments). Thanks! [not a doctor, but trying to understand family member's illness] " 10427,6,"From: Tami Grudzinski Subject: Your Custom Resume on Disk!! Organization: Freshman, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Your Custom Resume On Disk! *Macintosh or IBM compatible!* Never pay the high cost of copy service again. We will completely develop and format your custom resume package and mail you the disk or transmit the information via electronic mail within 48 hours! With over 25 years experience in the employment industry and a member of the National Resume Writer's Association you can leave the burden of developing your resume to us! You can easily custom edit all information to target each company and position. Complete $40.00 package includes: -> Custom developed resume -> Custom cover letter -> Custom follow-up letter -> Custom interview thank you letter -> Custom job acceptance letter -> Custom job decline letter -> Custom resignation letter Laser printed copies on high-quality paper available upon request. Contact Vicki Burns via: E-mail: tg2n@unix.andrew.cmu.edu Telephone: (216) 493-6303 " 10428,16,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Distribution: git Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 36 In irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: [and quotes a lot of stuff unnecessarily] >In article <93869@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes: >> >> [worth posting again ;-] >>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, >>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming >>houses and violating civil rights under color of law. >> >>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? >Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the >snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the >name of 'self defense.' >Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter. Ain't got a pair of fatigues... and I don't blast people wandering aimlessly, I ask them what they're doing there... I only blast people who display obvious violent intent... like black-clad men with weapons climbing thru second-story windows, or people who break down the door instead of knocking. Or people who knock my house down with tanks and set it afire. Sound familiar yet? Riddle me this: Why the hell are the CONVICTED CRIMINALS in Ohio getting the kid glove treatment, and the BD's are burned alive without a trial? Put aside who started the blaze, I still think any decent shyster can make a case for cruel and unusual punishment, playing the sounds of tortured rabbits over the loudspeakers (where's the SPCA in all this?)... Oh, and that's Mister gun-toter SIR to you, bucko. Just because you choose to abandon your rights, leave mine the hell alone, thankyouverymuch. Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) Impeach Clinton, Reno -- the case is prima facie. " 10429,5,"From: jmg@dxcoms.cern.ch (J.M. Gerard) Subject: Re: Xterm w. ansi color/mouse support Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Lines: 24 brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.183419.584@vms.huji.ac.il> klony@vms.huji.ac.il writes: >< >< ><> the mit x11 r4 and r5 both provide mouse escape sequences now. There ><> are several color xterm enhancements on export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib . >< >I also found it on uunet in /pub/window-sys/X/contrib, for those that can >only do anonuucp (like me). But I noticed that the thing is dated 9/12/90, >making it over two years old. Is this really the latest version? Are we talking about an xterm which would accept the same escape sequences as that for VT340 (or colour decterm/dxterm)? I thought that was called colxterm (and my testing of it shows some oddities that might be bugs or might be my program going wrong). I'm also unsure of what is meant by ""ansi mouse xterm""! " 10430,12,"From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: **] A/D board quiry: Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 21 On an A/D board I've got, I'm using the A/D lines. It measures the voltages properly, ie: with a 7v power supply it reg's 7v and with 5v, it reg's 5v. Problem is when I've got the input voltage, and I wish to lower it via a resistor. The sensitivity of the board is so great that I can triger it with holding the 5/7v wire in one hand, and touch the probe and it will register the full input voltage. A 1m resistor only lowers voltage by .1v so this is not too feesable. What could the problems be and what else could I use to lower the input voltage? (btw I've got it grounded correctly) _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | | ------------------------------------------------- " 10431,16,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 43 In article dgw@elite.intel.com (Dennis Willson) writes: >On March 8, I sent strongly worded letters critisizing the BATF in >their handling of the Randy Weaver and Branch Davidian cases to >several politicians (Ore. Senators Bob Packwood and Mark Hatfield, >Representative Elizabeth Furse and Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen). >While I have never been a supporter of Bob Packwood, I must admit >that he seems to be the only one who has done anything but round-file >my letter. Well, I didn't bother writing to Boxer, Feinstein or Eshoo, the terrible trio who allegly represent me. Instead, I wrote to Bentsen. My letter was not exactly strongly-worded; I simply stated that the BATF approach was immoral (military-style assault, firing into a house where they knew there were kids). Aparently, Bentsen forwarded my letter to the BATF and they responded to me directly. It follows the text of your reply pretty closely. However, I intend to send another letter directly to them, in return. >Prior to the service of the Federal search warrant, numerous efforts >were made to locate and effect the arrest of David Koresh away from the >compound. These efforts were unsuccessful. Even if David Koresh had >been arrested while away from the compound, action would have been >required against his followers (who are just as violent as he) during >the subsequent search of the premises. This section is not in the letter that I received. The parts about ATF logo and steenking badges or their loss of the element of surprise were not included, either. > Sincerely yours, > > Daniel M. H??l??tt [can't make out signature] > Deputy Director The same guy with the bad handwriting apparently signed my letter, ""for Richard L. Garner; Chief, Special Operations Division"". don " 10432,11,"From: barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan Barrett) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Organization: Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa Lines: 19 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.ee.und.ac.za In article , clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: > Distribution: na No thanks. This topic is of interest to a much wider audience. > In making this decision, I do > not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the > government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that > are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- > escrow system. ""In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."" --apb Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za " 10433,10,"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re:Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Lines: 20 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada >>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported >>tht Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin >>Damphousse and Brian Bellows to Philldelphia, Phillie will send >>Eric Lindros to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick >>to Montreal. >>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. > Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky > trade to Toronto???? ^^^^^?!!! Listen, *ASSHOLE*, I'm just commenting on what I heard reported on the sports news!! You'll notice my skeptical comment! Sheesh... I thought this group wasfor conversation! Guess I was wrong. }-< Stephen Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca " 10434,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Keywords: Leaf Wings Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 14 In article mhembruc@tsegw.tse.com (Mattias Hembruch) writes: >>hell is Anderson? Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples >>skin. Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole. >>He used to be good at it. We need him now. > >Agreed. Anderson was nowhere last night. > Well what do you expect...Burns was playing him with Krushelnyski and Baumgartner...Anderson is a finisher...unless you play him with someone to can get him the puck in a finishing position...he ain't going to do much scoring! Gerald " 10435,10,"From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) Subject: If You Were Pat Burns ... Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 57 Distribution: world Reply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com Keywords: Leaf Wings What are the Leafs to do? I am a Leaf supporter and I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits Pat Burns. If you were Pat Burns what would you do? Living in the Bay area, I do not get enough Leaf coverage to pull something out of the bag, (I would appreciate comments on the Leaf/Detroit 3rd line match-ups) but here is the basic idea... Andreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against the Wings. They are too small. The key to any Leafs success will have to be Clark. He is the only centre who can have any presence within 3-stick lengths of the slot. Where the hell is Anderson? Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples skin. Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole. He used to be good at it. We need him now. Perhaps, perhaps the Leafs can shut down Detroit's second line. I was dissappointed to see Shepard and Yserbeart flying last night. These guys are the ""swing"" players for the Wings. Last year they did a major choke in the playoffs and were to blame for the quick exit of the Wings. **THis has to happen again**. Clark-Anderson-Gilmour should be able to out hustle this line. Anderson should do a nasty on Yserbeart. Clark should bang the hell out of Sheppard. Score Gilmour score! Suggestions: Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-?? Andreychuck-Borchevsy-?? vs. Detroit checking line Toronto's checking line vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots) * as suggested - i would bench Andreychuck and Borchevsky to stir things up and through a monkey wrench into Detroits game plan. However, if the Detroit coaching would be dumb enough to play their checking line against these ""finesse"" players - well then let them play. ** Potvin can not be faulted on 5 of the goals - keep him in. ** Van Hellamond can not be faulted for the Leafs demise either. ** The Wings defense shut down the Leafs (especially in the slot). I hope Pat Burns realizes that his team was out-hit, out-skated, and out-coached on Monday night. This was not a loss because of poor goaltending or officiating. This calls for drastic measures ... or tee off is next Monday. -jake. GO LEAFS !!! " 10436,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Installing RAM in a Quadra 800 Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 55 truesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell) writes: >This is an aside to Brian Hughes's (please, let's lose the cute phony names >everybody) posting about adding memory to a Quadra 800. What phony names? My name is clearly visible in the headers, and I sing the post with my account name. If you have a problem with that, then you will have to get over it. I've used this account name for over 10 years and the people who have been reading newsgroups for the last 7 generally recognize ""Hades"" as my account name. I have no intention of changing the way I post. >I installed a couple of 16MB SIMMs in my Quadra and was somewhat dismayed >by the general complexity of the operation compared to, for example, the >wonderfully designed LC III. It irritates me when Apple refuses to tell how >to do it in the User's Manual so you have to guess at how to disassemble >the devise in question (it's the same for adding memory to LaserWriter >Pro's). It isn't Apple's responsibility to tell its customers how to fool around with it's hardware. That is what Apple Service Techs get paid to do. I personally like the design of the Q800, and applaud Apple for coming up with a good way to make use of the front space for all of those drive bays. I like it a lot better than the 900/950 design, except for those people who need Drive Arrays. I do, however, agree with you about the LW Pro design. >The operation isn't very complicated if even a minimal amount of help were >offered but Apple leaves you working blind. Again, its's not Apple's place to make it easy for non-certified service people to fool around with Apple hardware, even if they did buy it. Of course you are free to do what you want to your Mac, just don't get upset when your Apple Service Rep tells you that your warranty is no longer valid. >After the memory was installed I was distraught that the top of the SIMMs >came into contact with the plastic case frame. Mine actually contacted the >framework with quite a lot of pressure -- enough so that the assembly of >the board back to the proper position was rather difficult and required >some force. I could have filed a little excess material off the top of the >SIMM boards but chose to let it stand as is. I have not had problems with >RAM yet so I will consider the problem annoying but not catastrophic. This sounds like the kind of problem I had when I installed 4MB SIMMs into an LC, back before low-profile 4MB SIMMs were readily available. The standard 4MB SIMMs would contact the top of the case and make it a bit difficult to close the LC, but it did close and work just fine. One of the nice things about Logic-Boards is that they are generally quite flexible and can withstand a fair amount of pressure. -Hades " 10437,1,"From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote: : renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: : >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its : >""current directory"". : I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use : to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then : invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file : is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. This is what I posted that cview uses the root directory of the drive cview is on. However, since It has so much trouble reading large files from floppy, I suspect that it uses the root directory of the drive the image files are on. Matthew Zenkar mz@moscom.com " 10438,6,"From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire) Subject: Sega CD [Forsale] Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Ok folks... I am in need for some money to purchase a Video Game Backup-Unit, so I have decided to let go my SEGA CD unit... Heres the deal: Sega Genesis CD/Rom Unit: ------------------------ o Playes Sega CD games o Playes Regular CD's o Playes CD-G's (Cd's w/graphics) o Comes w/ 5 Cd's (Pack-Ins) o Sega's Hot Hits (Regular CD w/ music) o Rock Paintings (CD-G - music w/Graphics Karoki like) o Sol-Feace (Shooter) o Sherlock Holmes (Mystery) - Clue Book, No Docs. o Sega Classics (Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi, Columns, & Golden Axe) - No Docs. o Box and Documents (CD Unit) Included. All games comes w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified. Other Games: ----------- o Cobra Command (Docs have water dammage) o Road Avenger *2 Weeks old!! o Night Trap (No Docs.) o All games come w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified. Im going to sell all of this to the HIGHEST bidder as of 4/30/93. I would like to start all of the above at $250.00 or Trade for a Genesis/Snes Video Backup-Unit. If you would like to bid or make an offer, just drop me some mail... I will keep everone informed of what the current bids are.. Foxfire foxfire@access.digex.com " 10439,1,"From: emm@tamarack202.cray.com (Mike McConnell) Subject: Interleaf to CGM Originator: emm@tamarack202 Keywords: Interleaf, CGM, ileaf Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: tamarack202.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Has anyone successfully converted Interleaf graphics to CGM, or even heard of it being done???? We'd love to hear about it. -Mike McConnell emm@cray.com " 10440,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 23 In article , jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) wrote: > If Jesus never taught the concept of the Trinity, how do you deal with the > following: > > Mat 28 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, ""All authority in heaven > and on earth has been given to me. > > Mat 28 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing > them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, > > Mat 28 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. > And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."" Jim, please, that's a lame explanation of the trinity that Jesus provides above. Baptizing people in the name of three things != trinity. If this is the case, then I'm wrong, I assumed that trinity implies that God is three entities, and yet the same. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 10441,7,"From: sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter) Subject: Isuzu Amigo opinions wanted.... Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. Lines: 27 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: technet1.shl.com Is there anyone out there in NetLand that has/has had one of these? Can someone give me a non-Consumer Reports review (or point me to a source) ??? Thanks Scott ----------------------- sdexter@ucrengr.ucr.edu Computer Science Undergraduate, University of California, Riverside Internet : 138.23.166.21 sdexter@technet1.shl.com Facilities Engineer, SHL SystemHouse, Inc. ,Technology Network Internet : 192.75.61.2 "" You say its gonna happen ""now"" What exactly do you mean? You see I've already waited too long, And all my hope is gone "" - The Smiths " 10442,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Legitimate bawdy humor; was: Re: sex education - it's a joke ! Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 28 In article Lubosh.Hanuska@anu.edu.au (ljh) writes: >""Well, my son, the best advice I can give you is this: Eat a lot of >carrots!"" >""Oh, do you really think that will work ?!? And should it be before or >after intercourse?"" >""INSTEAD, my son, INSTEAD!"" ... >Disclaimer: As a single Catholic I didn't have any business to post this >kind of joke to this group, so if you found it inappropriate [...] But what was wrong with it? It won't tempt anyone to any kind of sin, as far as I can tell. It doesn't belittle anyone. It does not substitute offensiveness for humor (it's genuinely funny). We shouldn't assume that _all_ jokes that mention sexuality are ""dirty"" merely because so many are. And we should never mistake prudery for spirituality. It can be the direct opposite -- a symptom of the _lack_ of a healthy perspective on God's creation. -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 10443,12,"From: fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) Subject: Electric power line ""balls"" Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Distribution: usa Lines: 18 I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate some net.wisdom. His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this? Is there a better group to submit to? We'd both appreciate some enlightenment. -- Scott Townsend, Sverdrup Technology Inc. NASA Lewis Research Center Group fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov " 10444,5,"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) Subject: Re: Asynchronous X Windows? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32 In <1382.9304261508@zztop.dps.co.uk> gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes: >>> No, it isn't. It is the ""X Window System"", or ""X11"", or ""X"" or any of >>> a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium.... >>> >>> There is no such thing as ""X Windows"" or ""X Window"", despite the repeated >>> misuse of the forms by the trade rags. >I used to think this way, and not just about X. For example, incorrect >English constructs such as ""its raining"" or ""it's window id"" annoy me. >However, there comes a time when popular usage starts to dictate the way >things really are in the world. Well, yes and no. I don't particularly want this discussion to spark a lengthy debate, but I do think it's worth pointing out that ""popular usage"" is not always sufficient excuse. In this case, for example, I think an appropriate parallel may be found in the pronunciation of proper names: if people commonly misspelled or mispronounced your name, would you feel compelled to change it? Probably not. The same is true of X. ""The X Window System"", ""X"", ""X11"", and related monickers are proper names in the same sense that any product name is a proper name. In fact, some of them are *trademarked* names. The fact that many people get them wrong is largely beside the point. As for the trade publications that promulgate things like ""X Window"" or ""X.windows"" or any of the other nonsensical variants one often sees, consider the fact that these publications are supposedly written by *journalists*. Would you trust the facts of a journalist who couldn't be bothered to get the name of his/her source right? Would you trust a product review by someone who got the name of the product wrong? Popular usage is as it may be, but I for one am all for holding people who claim to be journalists to a higher standard of correctness. >Indeed, the fact that X won out over NeWS >was really down to popular opinion (I know, we all think it's(!) technically >superior as well!). X11 technically superior to NeWS? Well, in *some* alternate universe perhaps ... " 10445,12,"From: jung@rz.tu-ilmenau.de (Dirk Junghanns) Subject: W86C451, W86C456 info wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: dali.rz.tu-ilmenau.de Reply-To: jung@rz.tu-ilmenau.de (Dirk Junghanns) Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 12 Does anybody have informations about the W 86 C 451 and W 86 C 456 chips (40pin DIL pckg)? They are build in a multifunction io-card for pc. Thanks Dirk -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Dirk Junghanns junghanns@rz.tu-ilmenau.de ------------------------------------------------------------ " 10446,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) says: > >ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the >Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is >the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. > Just wondering, do you mean the ""Lectorium Rosicrucianum""? Warning: There is no point in arguing who's ""legit"" and who's not. *WHICH* Golden Dawn are you talking about? Just for the sake of argument, (reflecting NO affiliation) I am going to say that the TRUE Rosicrucian Order is the Fraternitas Rosae Crucis in Quakertown, Penn., Any takers? :-) Fraternally, Tony " 10447,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 45 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > >I don't have a history handy, but I don't recall that the preponderance >of ROY's come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is >generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins. >Am I wrong? Not really, though I wouldn't personally say ""the most deserving candidate wins"". Rarely does a player win ROY when called up in mid season, and there have been several duds in recent years. But this is more a factor of mediot biases than anything else. (I wonder. If Amaral hits like he is capable of, will he receive ROTY votes? He's only 31, he could have a long career ahead of him! :-) >And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels' staff >is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank >you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments. >Easley appears fine, but even if he's not Flora is ready to come up. >Between Gonzales and Gruber they'll manage the hot corner. Polonia >and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing. > >Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a >winning team. I think they are a second-division team. They should finish ahead of the Royals, Mariners, and *possibly* Athletics. But I don't think they'll be above .500. (I think the East is stronger this year.) Last year their pitching was bad and their offense was horrible. This year their offense is better, but their pitching is still pretty bad. Even if Finley returns to form, he won't replace what they lost in Abbott. Sanderson? Farrell? I don't believe it. And while their BA may be good, and they have decent speed, their offense lacks punch. They don't have any bona fide power hitters. (Salmon, Snow, Davis, and Curtis? None with more than 20 HR potential.) Cheers, -Valentine P.S. Which AL team had the most steals last week? Those go-go Tigers! The mediots finally managed to convince them that they needed ""more balance"" in their lineup. You see, they were scoring too many runs too consistently. Gotta run more to break that up. " 10448,16,"From: mporter@cis.ohio-state.edu (matthew dale porter) Subject: Re: Reasonable Civie Arms Limits Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: python.cis.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >A poster claims he 'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would >be reasonable personal firepower restrictions'. OK then ... > >Caliber : Not greater than 32 >Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel >Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers > Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating > an 'anti-fanning' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes. >Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine. > >Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful >allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be >reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves >and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the >same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality >of hits. The chances of the average joe encountering a gang of huge >individuals all drunk and stoned on PCP and crystal meth and with a >bad attitude and all armed and willing to die ... well, it's about >zero - far less than the chances of getting killed driving your car. When will you people realize that our right to keep and bear isn't primarily intended to be for protecting against criminals and beasties in the wild? Granted, it is a big part, but we also need military style weapons so we can fight off the government when they come to our door. When ten agents come to my door, it would be nice to be able to shoot all of them for 'not upholding the constitution to the best of their ability'. It will be a lot harder doing that with the puny weapons you listed above. Please read the Federalist papers for all clarification on RKBA. These documents have cleared up plenty of misnomers that friends of mine have had. -- Matt Porter mporter@cis.ohio-state.edu mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 10449,11,"From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: na Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr20.034724.3748@colnet.cmhnet.org> res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: >>> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just >>>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions >>>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from >> >>2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off >>the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better, >>I could probably come up with a _very_ good system. > >Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent >to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? Actually, old video games and pinball machines are supposed to work pretty good (at blocking EM eavesdropping), too. Those things put out a LOT of EM noise. Back in the 80's, I read about computer companies putting bunches of games in their buildings for just this purpose (not to mention the $$$). Dane " 10450,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> >|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: |> >|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES |> >|> > |> >|> |> >|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... |> >|> |> >|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets |> >|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. |> >|> |> >|> Esin. |> > |> > henrik]Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; henrik]ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD henrik] KNOW that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get henrik] away with their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH henrik] invasion of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. Esin Terzioglu] Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. Esin Terzioglu] 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant posting claims) Esin Terzioglu] 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) Esin Terzioglu] next time read and learn before you post. Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ? Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ? My response to the ""shooting down"" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft. At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. " 10451,7,"From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation Lines: 31 In article keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes: This isn't anything new. Back in 1985 I was driving under a high overpass at night on I-805 in San Diego when I caught a glimpse of someone on the overpass. As I passed under a rock slammed against the metal between the winshield and right front window. My girlfriend was in the seat next to it. I called the police from the next exit, but I doubt if they were found. About five years ago in San Diego someone was put into a coma from a brick being thrown through his sunroof as he was driving and subsequently crashed. I don't think he ever came out of the coma, and I haven't heard anything about it for a couple years. >I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up, >does anyone have any idea why they haven't ""bombed"" the Waco cult? Probably because there are many children there. Also the minor fact that other than defending themselves from 100 some people attacking them they haven't threatened or attacked anyone outside the compound in years. Being a promiscuous religious nut does not constitute grounds for a mass murder of Koresh and his followers. Sorry for posting this to this group, but I thought the previous post needed a rebuttal. If you follow-up to this portion please cross-post and direct follow-ups to a more appropriate newsgroup. -- ====== Boyd Johnson nosc!spectra.com!johnson San Diego, California ====== Intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups. My opinions certainly don't match those of my employer. " 10452,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: re: Its still cold, but... Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >first ride of the season. > One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40 >minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. When I got >home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour >in the house. 40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph >do not mix well. > Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere warm. Its all relative. > >Happy cold riding. > Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile. " 10453,4,"From: Leewaiw@yalevm.YCC.Yale.edu (Spaceman) Subject: 512K VRAM for Sale- LC or LCII Nntp-Posting-Host: branford-college-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale U. Lines: 11 I have a 512k VRAM chip for sale. Worked fine in my LCII and will give 256 colors on 640 x 480 size screen. Asking $50. I'll cover postage. Speaking of which, does anyone know what the best way to send a chip is. I have a plastic antistatic sleeve, but what's the best way to send it? In an envelope? First class? All info appreciated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill ""Spaceman"" Lee P.O. Box 532, Yale Station New Haven, CT 06520-0532 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " 10454,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 32 /(Frank DeCenso) /> />I need to prioritize things in my life, and this board is not all that important />to me. Of course it is. It forms a very big part of your self-respect. You come onto the board, thinking you're some sort of apologeticist for your faith, and you routinely get roasted over a grill for stupid theories and unfounded assumptions. /(Frank DeCenso) /This board will have />to wait until (if ever) I can organize my life to fit it in. I tried dropping />out, but Sieferman coerced me to come back. He won't this time. I doubt that Sieferman has anything to do with you dropping out. It's probably closer to the truth to say that you don't have the cards to play in this game (because you insist on playing from a losing hand), and you're finally realizing it. You will lurk on the board, and keep quiet for a while, looking for an area where you are *certain* that you are correct, and then we'll see you pop back in again. Of course, you then will say that you have merely returned because your life is now ""in order"". But we'll know better. " 10455,7,"From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: storrs@c20002-121rd.che.ncsu.edu Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 97 In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca>, music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes: |>Xref: taco alt.parents-teens:1937 rec.autos:101669 |>Path: taco!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!music |>From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) |>Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens,rec.autos |>Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... |>Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:16 PST |>Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility |>Lines: 52 |>Distribution: world |>Message-ID: <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> |>References: <18APR199309481599@erich.triumf.ca> <1qs4a9$f87@bigboote.WPI.EDU> |>NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca |>Summary: Violent Teenagers and victims need help. |>Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers |>News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 |> |>In article , jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell) |> writes... |>#>Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need |>#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not |>#> meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, |>#> please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks. |># |>#I just want to second this request. I value this net group as one where people |>#focus on solving problems and go out of their way to be respectful of |>#differences. The hostility expressed in the original posting feels like an |>#assault. |># |>#Thanks, |>#Jan |># |> |> Exactly my point. There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers. |> |> Look, I sent these posts here to alt.parents-teens (with a copy to |> rec.autos) since you people in this group may have the best advice for |> and experience with troubled teenagers. |> |> If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a |> group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook |> was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little |> girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving) |> honked her horn at the car with the boys in it. This is really upsetting |> and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's. Doesn't your heart |> just go out to that poor mother? |> Yes, Fred, my heart and prayers go out to the mother and others who have been victims of these and other senseless crimes. |> You folks in this group have a responsibility to offer any good advice |> that you may have. I suspect lots of people all over the world will read |> and appreciate your comments. |> However, I feel that you have missed the point of the previous postings (see top). Your statement of 'responsibility' is felt as an attack towards the members of this group. You are attempting to make the members of this group be REQUIRED to answer. The only people who should make a statement are people who have experienced the problem and found a workable solution. |> Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and |> crime. Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in |> dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are. At the same |> time, maybe you would have some good advice for those hostile people who |> sense that are now the potential victims. Maybe you would have some good |> advice for them on how not to pay back and/or not make the situation worse. |> Maybe you have some good advice for local authorities or schools where |> this problem is prevalent. But then again, maybe you're not interested. :-( Many people are interested, but have no input. I will restate that your last sentence here is seen as an attack on the members of this group. If people have input, they will give it. If they do not, YOU should not make them feel compelled (sp?) to respond. If you wish to continue this conversation, PLEASE send e-mail. DO NOT repost or attempt to bait me, I will not make another post (and may I make the same a suggestion to other group members) on this matter. |> |> Thanks in advance for your help, if we get any. |> BTW, your welcome. -- =============================================================================== Jerry L. Storrs, System/Network Manager || ...""Why do you look for the living Dept of Chemical Engineering, NCSU || among the dead? He is not here, storrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred) || He is risen!"" storrs@eos.ncsu.edu || ^^^^^^^^^^^ Luke 24:5-6 <>< || THE LORD IS RISEN INDEED!! =============================================================================== Any statement made is the explicit belief of the writer and not the employer. " 10456,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Article-I.D.: das.1993Apr26.184547.20058 Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 65 In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: >>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral >>Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? >Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale >behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza. Hate to be simple minded about this Tim, but I think its really very simple. He was a dirty Jew. And the only good Jew, in some peoples mind, is a dead Jew. Thats what 40 years of propaganda that fails to discriminate between Jew and Zionist will do. Thats what 20 years of statements like the ones I've appended will do to someones mind. They make people sick. They drag down political discourse to the point where killing your opponent is an honorable way to resolve a dispute. What else can come of such demagogery? Peace? Adam Arafat on political pluralism: ``Any Palestinian leader who suggests ending the intifada exposes himself to the bullets of his own people and endangers his life. The PLO will know how to deal with him.'' --- Arafat, Kuwaiti News Agency, 1/2/89 Arafat on the massacre at Tienamin Square: ``... on behalf of the Arab Palestinian People, their leadership, and myself... [I] take this opportunity to express extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order after the recent incidents in People's China.'' --- Arafat in telegram sent to the head of the Chinese Communist Party Yassir Arafat, humanitarian: ``Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants ... be they from the Soviet Union, Ethiopia, or anywhere else. It would be a disgrace if we did not lift a finger while herds of immigrants settle our territory. I want you to shoot... It makes no difference if they live in Jaffa or Jericho. I give you explicit orders to open fire. Do everything to stop the flow of immigration.'' --- Yassir Arafat, Al Muharar (Lebanese weekly), April 10, 1990 Yassir Arafat on genocide: ``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the occupied homeland is liberated...'' --- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79 Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 10457,13,"From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim) Subject: Re: Burzynski's ""Antineoplastons"" Organization: NIH Lines: 58 In article jschwimmer@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (Josh Schwimmer) writes: >I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he >claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- >cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his >work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable >responses of his subjects during clinical trials. >What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He >paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an >intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge >his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of >Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's >work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a >treatment that didn't seem promising. >Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current >status of his research would be appreciated. >-- >Joshua Schwimmer >jschwimmer@eagle.wesleyan.edu There's been extensive discussion on the CompuServe Cancer Forum about Dr. Burzynski's treatment as a result of the decision of a forum member's father to undertake his treatment for brain glioblastoma. This disease is universally and usually rapidly fatal. After diagnosis in June 1992, the tumor was growing rapidly despite radiation and chemotherapy. The forum member checked extensively on Dr. Burzynki's track record for this disease. He spoke to a few patients in complete remission for a few years from glioblastoma following this treatment and to an NCI oncologist who had audited other such case histories and found them valid and impressive. After the forum member's father began Dr. Burzynski's treatment in September, all subsequent scans performed under the auspices of his oncologist in Chicago have shown no tumor growth with possible signs of shrinkage or necrosis. The patient's oncologist, although telling him he would probably not live past December 1992, was vehemently opposed to his trying Dr. Burzynski's treatment. Since the tumor stopped its rapid growth under Dr. Burzynski's treatment, she's since changed her attitude toward continuing these treatments, saying ""if it ain't broke, don't fix it."" Dr. Burzynski is an M.D., Ph.D. with a research background who found a protein that is at very low serum levels in cancer patients, synthesized it, and administers it to patients with certain cancer types. There is little understanding of the actual mechanism of activity. /*********************************************************************/ /* --- David E. Scheim --- */ /* BITNET: none */ /* INTERNET: desl@helix.nih.gov PHONE: 301 496-2194 */ /* CompuServe: 73750,3305 FAX: 301 402-1065 */ /* */ /* DISCLAIMER: These comments are offered to share knowledge based */ /* upon my personal views. They do not represent the positions */ /* of my employer. */ /*********************************************************************/ " 10458,13,"From: bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Data I/O Corporation Lines: 31 smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller) writes: >Even properly controlled studies (e.g. double blind studies) are almost >useless if you are trying to prove that something does not affect anyone. -- and -- >In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >most likely explanation for events. > Good grief; has no one ever heard of Biostatistics?? The University of Washington (plus 3 or 4 others [Harvard, UNC]) has a department and advanced degree program in Biostatistics. My wife has an MS Biostat, and there are plenty of MDs, PhDs, and postdocs doing Biostatistical work. People do this for a living. Really bright people study for decades to do this sort of study well. Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. The last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses, 100 doctors, and a dozen Ph.Ds at one University and at 70 hospitals in five nations. I would think the MSG question could be settled by one lowly Biostat MS student in a thesis. --bruce " 10459,11,"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 29 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes: >I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of >course I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is >not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes >every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the >colligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here). I really like these claims. Where did they come from? We hear, practically daily, that the NSA monitors, oh, everything. They can crack anything. They'd never release a cryptosystem they couldn't crack. Where do people get these fascinating facts? 'The Puzzle Palace'? If you can get it for a buck, 2nd hand, it must be true, eh? I'm pretty sure the NSA is supposed to, among many other things, provide high-quality cryptosystems to a variety of places. I don't recall reading anywhere reliable that they're supposed to: 1) Monitor my phonecalls. 2) Monitor usenet. 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. 4) etc etc. This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', your claims about the NSA border on paranoia. Andrew " 10460,19,"From: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) Subject: Re: Religion and history; The real discuss Organization: N.I.C.E. Lines: 38 Reply-To: mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.82 Matthew Huntbach writes: sm[?]>a real Christian unless you're born again is a very fundamental biblical sm[?]>conversion and regeneration are 'probably' part of some small USA-based cult >the ""born-again"" tag often use it to mean very specifically >having undergone some sort of ecstatic experience (which can in >fact be very easily manufactured with a little psychological manipulation), >and are often insultingly dismissive of those whose >Christianity is a little more intellectual, is not the result Some of these ""cults"", which seems like a rather dismissive term to me, are pretty big here in the USA. Most of them are quite respectable & neiborly & do not resemble Branch Davidians in the least; confusing them is a mistake. What about ""live & let live"", folks? I'm sure we can uncover a few extremist loonies who are Catholic -- the anti-abortion movement in the USA seems to have a few hard cases in it, for example. >I've often heard such people use the line ""Catholics aren't >real Christians"". Indeed, anyone sending ""missionaries"" to >Ireland must certainly be taking this line, for otherwise why >would they not be content for Christianity to be maintained in >Ireland in its traditional Catholic form? I have to agree Matthew with this; I have certainly encountered a lot of anti-Catholic-religion propaganda & emotion (& some bigotry) from members of certain religious groups here. They also practice their missionary work with zeal among Catholics in the United States, but to someone who is or was raised Catholic such rhetoric is pretty off-putting. It may work better in an environment where there's a lot of popular anti-clericalism. Follow-ups set elsewhere, this no longer seems very relevant to Celtic issues to me. -- " 10461,7,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Options that would be great to have... Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 26 A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing options on a car, or things you'd like to have... 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge... 2) Full size spare 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors. 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment and cabin. Feel free to add on... Regards, Charles x -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person " 10462,6,"From: konrad@intacc.uucp (Konrad Skreta) Subject: Macintosh II cx for sale Distribution: tor Expires: 01 May 93 Reply-To: konrad@intacc.UUCP (Konrad Skreta) Organization: Matrix Artists' Network Lines: 5 Macintosh II cx with 40 MB HD, 8 MB RAM and 19"" monochrome monitor (Ikegami) is for sale. Asking $3,000, no reasonable (best) offer will be rejected. Contact Konrad at (416) 365-0564m Mon-Frii 9-5. " 10463,19,"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: > In article rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes: > > >Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people > >to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away? > > Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus. > But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in. Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are they using ""a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus""? Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin. Walter " 10464,5,"From: jra@wti.com (Jim Atkinson) Subject: How can I detect local vs remote DISPLAY settings? Reply-To: jra@wti.com Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: barracuda.wti.com X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc. I am trying to find out if my application is running on a local or a remote display. A local display being connected to the same system that the client is executing on. I have access to the display string but can I tell from the string? If the client is executing on host foo then "":0"", ""unix:0"", ""foo:0"", and ""localhost:0"" are all local. Under Ultrix, I believe that ""local:0"" is also a valid display name (a shared memory connection maybe?). Are there other strings that I should check for? Is there a better way to detect this? Thank you for any help you can give me. -- ======================================================================== Jim Atkinson Wavefront Technologies, Inc. jra@wti.com What, me? A company spokesperson? Get real! =================== Life is not a spectator sport! ===================== " 10465,6,"From: lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lance Gibb) Subject: WANTED: Xapshot digital camera Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: na Lines: 13 WANTED: Cannon's Xapshot digital camera. I'd be interested in any other makes, but the Xapshot is the only one I'm familiar with. I need one with a composite output and approx. 50 pictures per disk capability. If you have one for sale, or if you know of a cheap place to order one, please leave me Email at lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu Thanks " 10466,17,"From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Lines: 48 >From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) >Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast >Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis >Date: 23 Apr 1993 12:55:47 GMT >Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) > > > Although I realize that principle is not one of your strongest >points, I would still like to know why do do not ask any question >of this sort about the Arab countries. > > If you want to continue this think tank charade of yours, your >fixation on Israel must stop. You might have to start asking the >same sort of questions of Arab countries as well. You realize it >would not work, as the Arab countries' treatment of Jews over the >last several decades is so bad that your fixation on Israel would >begin to look like the biased attack that it is. > > Everyone in this group recognizes that your stupid 'Center for >Policy Research' is nothing more than a fancy name for some bigot >who hates Israel. > > Why don't you try being honest about your hatred of Israel? I >have heard that your family once lived in Israel, but the members >of your family could not cut the competition there. Is this true >about your family? Is this true about you? Is this actually not >about Israel, but is really a personal vendetta? Why are you not >the least bit objective about Israel? Do you think that the name >of your phony-baloney center hides your bias in the least? Get a >clue, Mr. Davidsson. Haven't you realized yet that when you post >such stupidity in this group, you are going to incur answers from >people who are armed with the truth? Haven't you realized that a >piece of selective data here and a piece there does not make up a >truth? Haven't you realized that you are in over your head? The >people who read this group are not as stupid as you would hope or >need them to be. This is not the place for such pseudo-analysis. >You will be continually ripped to shreds, until you start to show >some regard for objectivity. Or you can continue to show what an >anti-Israel zealot you are, trying to disguise your bias behind a >pompous name like the 'Center for Policy Research.' You ought to >know that you are a laughing stock, your 'Center' is considered a >joke, and until you either go away, or make at least some attempt >to be objective, you will have a place of honor among the clowns, >bigots, and idiots of Usenet. I couldn't have said it better, Mark! - Mike. " 10467,2,"From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world Lines: 30 Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes: >>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace >>for DOS at the same time. >Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG >will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui. >I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well. Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it uses NDIS. My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work along. I read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just around the corner. Anybody have any news about this? Regards, Richard -- +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de | | EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 | | Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 | | Munich, Germany | | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ " 10468,15,"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 Two follow up's to Mark's last posting: 1. As far as current investigations, the Church recently declared the crying statue and corresponding messages from Mary at Akita, Japan as approved (I found this out about a month ago.) 2. Again in the proof department, start with the appearances of Mary at Fatima. Among other things, there were pictures taken of the ""miracle of the sun"" that appeared in some major American newspaper (The New York Times, I believe) as well as most of the major European newspapers. I could talk (or post) for hours on this topic, but... (I have a thesis to write). God Bless, - Mike Walker P.S. Anyone want info, I have more. mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu " 10469,2,"From: brad@ravel.udel.edu (Brad Cain) Subject: Changing system fonts Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 18 I would like to change all of the system fonts in windows... I have a program that will generate system fonts from truetype, but i was wondering if there is a problem to help you set up all your system fonts. Also, how do i change the icon text color... all of my icon text is black, and i want to change it... couldn't find any options in control panel or in win.ini brad cain brad@bach.udel.edu -- **************************************************************************** brad@bach.udel.edu Brad Cain N3NAF cain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu University of Delaware Electrical Engineering cain@freezer.cns.udel.edu ""Blah, blah, blah"" alt.blah " 10470,8,"From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) Subject: Need a wheel Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu Keywords: '92 Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Lines: 18 Does anyone have a rear wheel for a PD they'd like to part with? Does anyone know where I might find one salvage? As long as I'm getting the GIVI luggage for Brunnhilde and have the room, I thought I'd carry a spare. Ride Free, Bill ___________________________________________________________________ johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu prez=BIMC KotV KotRR DoD #00314 AMA #580924 SPI = 7.18 WMTC #0002 KotD #0001 Yamabeemer fj100gs1200pdr650 Special and a Volvo. What more could anyone ask? Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. " 10471,9,"From: vince@sscl.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Early BBDDD Returns? Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxi.sscl.uwo.ca Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr16.073051.9160@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) writes: > Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the > BB DDD this year. ... > > A concerned fan of the BB DDD, I am hoping to produce the first update of the BB DDD this week; please send info about the most significant (longest, most critical, etc.) home run that you have seen yet this season. Vince. " 10472,6,"From: erc@plitvice.berkeley.edu (Eric Ng) Subject: Sega Genesis plus 9 sports games for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: plitvice.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California at Berkeley Distribution: usa Lines: 23 FOR SALE 1 Sega Genesis (including all cables, manuals, boxes) 1 controller 9 games, including all manuals and boxes: Sonic the Hedgehog Road Rash John Madden Football '92 N.H.L. Hockey Sportstalk Baseball Bulls vs. Lakers and the N.B.A. Playoffs John Madden Football '93 N.H.L.P.A. Hockey Super Monaco GP II All of the above for $300 (or best offer); price includes UPS COD shipping. Send e-mail to erc@zabriskie.berkeley.edu if interested. -eric -- eric ng erc@zabriskie.berkeley.edu ...!ucbvax!zabriskie!erc " 10473,2,"From: franklig@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gregory C Franklin ) Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 23 In article isbell@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Isbell) writes: >jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes: > >>I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3 >>with IRQ5. > >>COM1 and COM2 are being used to support two 24 hour bbs lines, There you go. COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ, therefore you can't use a mouse on COM3 and a modem on COM1, or vice versa. It's a limitation of DOS. And in fact Windows will not see a mouse on anything other than COM1 or COM2. Accept this fact, and either get a bus mouse, or get a new computer. >I would also like to know if it is possible to use the mouse on ports other >than COM1 or COM2. No. The advice above applies.... -- Greg Franklin franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu " 10474,2,"From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) Subject: speeding up windows Keywords: speed Lines: 19 I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw my computer ""boggs"" down and becomes really sluggish! What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? Thanx in advance Derek -- $_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ $\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ $=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ $ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ " 10475,5,"From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine) Subject: Subscription Organization: The Internet Lines: 7 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Please subscribe me to this mailing list Michael D. Grapevine | One of these days, USN SWC | One of these days, Code 4G33 | POW! grape@suned1.nswses.navy.mil | It's gonna happen, Bus: (805) 982-7791 | and I won't even realize it. " 10476,19,"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) Lines: 114 Return-Path: Tony- I read your post, it was nothing new, I had seen much the same in other typical""Christian"" anti-gay sentimental literature. Gay people are and will con- tinue to be persecuted as long as such propaganda petpetuates. You may be unaware of all the statistica ""findings"" concerning African-Americans that have been published and used by various groups to re-enforce their own bias against African-Americans. We usually think of the KKK in these instances, but there are many other groups. Of course, the vast majority of the public scoff at such findings and documents today, but that was not always the case. Fortunately African-Americans had ""whites"" who supported their 'cause' and public sentiment was eventually (if not entirely) turned around. There was even a Civil War, and anti-negro sentiment increased. In fact, until laws were put in place to protect the inalienable rights of Blacks it was pretty much legal to discriminate against them. I know many gays and I will NOT turn my back on them or their right to be free form discrimination. You may think that I have been deceived or something, that is your perogative. My church, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) openly affirms the rights of oppressed people of all segments of society, including gays. We believe the Gospel message of preaching to all creation and making disciples. We believe in the Lord's great commandment to Love, and we beleive in standing up for the oppressed, even if it is not popular to do so. I really like my church for last reason the most. I can find a church almost anywhere in the valley that stands for the Gospel and believes in the commandment of Love (though I'm hard-pressed to find many who actually sho Love), but not many are willing to champion the oppressed, especially within their own community. I may have lost face with the greater Christian community for the unpopularity of my beliefs, but so did the abolitionists against the oppression of African-Americans. Many were even killed and treated as runaway slaves for being ""nigger-lovers"" and such. I guess I've decided the challenge is worth it. In my talks with gay men and women I have heard tragic story after tragic story centering around failed marriages, wives and husbands who are straight who have been hurt in the process, etc. Funny thing is, I don't know of one case where the parents, ex-wives, or even children have continued to reject their gay family member (son, daughter, ex-husband, father, etc.) after they began to take part in some form of support group, like PFLAG. I'm apalled by the legislation which passed in Colorado, and am equally out0 raged that such slimey people as Louis Sheldon (from the Tradition Values Coalition) have been actively working in the Christian underground to garner support within several (8 I believe) states this coming November for more oppressive legisation against gays. Perhaps you don't get it, and maybe you never will. Many didn't get it in the Middle Ages and the proclaimed God's will be done as they massacred thousands in witch hunts and inquisitions. The message that comes through, loud and clear, by proponents against gay rights and against gays in general, is that there is a strong dislike, even hatred for gays, whether you want to call it such or not (it doesn't change the results). The major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end, the final effect of posts like that of yours and Mr. Hudson is that YOU have a ""conditional"" love for gays. Condition: Change and we'll love you. This is sure strange coming from a group who claim that God has an ""unconditional"" love, one that calls people ""just as they are."" Sure there are things that will 'naturally' change, and habits (like alcoholism, wife beating, etc.) that need to be changed through some sort of therapy. But then there are things like left-handedness, etc. that no amount of beating it out of people, is going to result in anything more than an outward conforminty to ""other people's expectations."" In the process this coerced conformity causes many people a great deal of harm, especially when it is caused by people who have nothing more to gain from it that to become even more puffed up about their own sense of pseuper-spirituality. This is sad, but I thoroughly believe that one day it will change. It may be unpopular to cry for justice and equality when the basis has to do with something very personal like 'sexuality' (a taboo subject even today), but I firmly believe in the rights of individuals to be free from impose regulation on thier bedrooms. It's funny that most straight people have successfully removed restrictive and oppressive legislation against invasive legislation, but we like to maintain this little chestnut of repression...as though it helps us maintain a sense of superiority over at least one segment of society. Gay people are not criminals. Another interesting thing happened recently. A very prominent charismatic church in the Silicon Valley (here) had two of it's pastors arrested for self- admitted charges of pederasty (men having sex with boys). This had apparently been going on for some time (a couple years?), but since the charges were voluntary, and the church worked closely with the police, so I imagine that was how they managed to downplay it in the media. How could such a thing happen when the church, itself, has an ex-gay ministry? One of my friends recently told me he was ""approached"" by someone who is going through the reparitive therapy there, and he was thoroughly convinced that the request for dinner was not an invitation to attend the ministry. These are difficult times we live in, but providing hostile environments and creating and perpetuating an atmosphere that breed hate and violence is not the call of the Christian community. The results of the passing amendment in Colorado has created an organization who's posters are appearing all over Colorado called ""S.T.R.A.I.G.H.T."" (I forget the whole definition off hand, but the last part was Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash) and their motto is ""Working for a fag-free America"" with an implicit advocation for violence. This is sick, and it seems to be what you and Mr. Hudson, and others are embracing. We Christians have a LOOOOOOOOOONG tradition of coersion and oppression towards those we feel don't 'measure up', and constant beratement from organizations like The Christian Research Institute, while they do have a good purpose also, their major work seems to be finding new and better ways of excluding people. The Gospel I believe is not so negative, rather it seeks ways to ""include"" people. I have several of Dr. Martin's books and find them quite helpful, especially concerning 'cults.' But it seems that CRI, has become a cult unto itself. Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away? Whatever Rich :-( " 10477,13,"From: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Subject: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 18 I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other techniques. -- Robert Allison Ottawa, Ontario CANADA " 10478,12,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <7480237@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: >> Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology >> paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the >> TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the >> maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th >> of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd >> or even scan lines) > >You are correct; the fastest ""complete"" image that could be presented on >TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course, >the phrase ""TV screen"" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT >display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might >even be a vector (""strokewriter"") display, in which case the lower limit >on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited). Actually, a lot of this work used to be done with a CRT that had a beamsplitter mounted in front, and a tachistoscope driving it. The tachistoscope is really just a slide projector with a very fast shutter. Low tech, but it does the job. --scott " 10479,12,"From: neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale) Subject: Pioneer Laser player Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science Lines: 5 I'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing and/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When I power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the door doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how to obtain documentation? " 10480,17,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr19.192207.413@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. Thank you, Brad/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda. It's funny, though, coming from you. >There are no a priori >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the >Lebanese terrorists. Who is it that executes these ""pin-point attacks"" on Israelis? The guys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats? Neither? You mean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children? Well, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all? And maybe that ""propaganda"" was correct, too? Hmm? -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. " 10481,7,"From: gregg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Gregg L. Kasten) Subject: differences in insurance companies' rates Keywords: insurance Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA Distribution: ca Lines: 23 I am considering buying an new car, so I called three insurance companies in California to get estimates. I asked for the same coverage and same deductibles. Most of the companies charge you according to your zip code. Others charge according to your city. Anyhow, I gave the same zip code and city to all three places. Here's what I found (for a '93 Integra GS): AAA: ~$2000/yr. State Farm: 2614.92/yr. Allstate: 1220/yr. AAA is non-profit, so they said I could also expect to receive about $200-300 back at the end of the year. Still, There is a huge gap between all of these companies. State Farm wants MORE than TWICE as much as Allstate. I think I should be suspicious, but I've never heard anybody else complain. Any comments? Thanks, Gregg L. Kasten gregg@cs.stanford.edu " 10482,12,"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: Re: Cicuit Cellar Ink - Extras 4 Trade Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 32 In article babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) writes: >Fellow Info-junkies, > I have an extra CCI #27 (Real Time Programming/Embedded Sensors & >Storage) and an extra CCI #32 (Voice control of telescope, among other >articles). No labels. No torn, cut-up, or missing pages. > >Would like to trade for CCI # 26, or CCI # 23, or CCI # 19 in same >condition (Labels OK). > >I mail mine you mail yours mutual trust kinda thang OK? >You don't actually throw them away, do you? > >Thanx, >Jeff Babb >babb@sciences.sdsu.edu I have also been trying to complete my collection. I have an extra CCI # 16 (Communications) and a # 12 (Applications in the Arts), both in mint condition. I would like to trade for (or buy) the following: # 1, 3, 22, 23, 25, 26, 30, and 31. Thanks -David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University | | Campus Box 1185 | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ " 10483,13,"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: centrifuge Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article rjf@lzsc.lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343) writes: >: Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is >: used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes >: around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that? >Purely recreational. They get bored sitting in that >rack all the time. No, this is wrong. The purpose is to preserve the substances in the tubes longer by creating relativistic speeds and thus time dilatation. Of course, by slowing the subjective time of the test tubes they get less bored, which is probably what you were thinking of. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu " 10484,4,"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin) Subject: mac IIsi power limitations Summary: what are they? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 17 Readers, I own a Mac IIsi and am considering upgrades (cards, hard drive, etc). Can you tell me what the power limitations are for 1) the PDS slot and 2) the hard drive power feed. Secondly, Can you tell me if there is a separate limit for each, or if instead, there is a single limit for both combined? Please drop me a line if you know the answers to these questions. Thanks, felix lin feilimau@leland.stanford.edu " 10485,16,"From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Will CS burn or explode X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 13 The FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in Waco. CS tear gas is a fine power. Is CS inflammable. Grain dust suspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air form an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the rapid spread of fire in the compound? Please note I am directing all followups to talk.politics.guns -- Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | " 10486,4,"From: lumpkin@corvus.nas.nasa.gov (Forrest E. Lumpkin III) Subject: HELP - SCSI Woes on Mac IIfx Keywords: SCSI, IIfx Organization: NASA Ames Research Center Lines: 46 I am having trouble with SCSI on a Mac IIfx. The machine is 3 years old and I have been using the same hard drive (internal Maxtor LXT-200S) for two and a half years. The disk recently crashed. I reformatted (Silverlining 5.42), but during the reformat I received random write errors during testing. The error message reported was like: Sector 0: Write error detected after testing good - sector not mapped out. This occurred randomly all over the hard disk (which makes me suspect the diagnostic's reference to Sector 0 ??? ). On the third reformat and after reinstalling the SCSI read/write loops I was able to get through passes 2,3, and 4 with no errors. (Pass 1 for some reason reported a lot of errors, but still mapped out no sectors.) I decided to go ahead and try to resinstall System 7 and reload my data from a backup. This proceded normally; however, I now have sub-optimal performance. Symptoms include: o Frequent crashes o Instances of extremely sluggish disk access requiring a reboot to correct. o Instances of not finding the disk on the SCSI chain on reboot. - If I boot from Norton Utl. after this occurs, it cannot find the disk either. - The only thing that fixes this is recycling the power. It sometimes requires several attempts. QUESTIONS: 1) Has anyone had this type of problem before? 2) Is the problem with the fx motherboard (And its non-standard SCSI implementation) or with my Maxtor Disk? Is there some diagnostic software that would help me make this determination? 3) Is it a termination problem? I currently have external Syquest and an external DataFrame XP60 on the chain. The XP60 is at the end, and has internal termination; so I am not using the IIfx terminator. I do have the SCSI filter installed on the internal drive. I have run with this exact steup for 2 1/2 years with one previous disk crash requiring a reformat (about a year ago). I also have symptoms if I disconnect the external devices; so I don't see how SCSI termination would now be an issue. Of course who knows :-< Help would be much appreciated. Forrest E. Lumpkin III NASA Ames Research Center lumpkin@corvus.arc.nasa.gov " 10487,2,"From: dsou@btma57.nohost.nodomain Subject: Speedstar 24X & Windows Enhanced Mode Reply-To: dsou@btma57.nohost.nodomain () Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: 7.597 Hi, I have a 486/66MHz SYS based PC with 8M RAM and a problem. What is the best way to configure high memory with QEMM/386MAX ?? I have a SPEEDSTAR 24X video card and use Hyperdisk disk cache software. The problem is running Windows 3.1 in Enhanced mode and having any high memory to load stuff high? Note : I tried, as recommended to exclude the region A000-C7FF but Windows insists on starting in Standard mode. Any suggestions? Dan " 10488,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Distribution: na Lines: 35 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate? What do you think gun >control advocates are saying: that if we get rid of all handguns we will >live in a homicide-free world? They sure make it sound like that. > >The issue is guns, not baseball bats. Even a simpleton knows that >he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat... >certainly of outrunning a bat-wielding assailant. > Even a simpleton knows a baseball bat is considered a deadly weapon. If one cannot run away (e.g. old, infirm, even middle-aged if the assailant is younger), a handgun is the most effective means of defense. You won't even have to fire a shot 98% of the time. >As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife >than a gun, thanks. Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't >another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have >much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife >assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants). Any real streetfighter (and there are LOTS of them), with or without a knife, will kick the living sh** out of most people ""trained in unarmed self defense"". For the majority of people, a gun is the most effective form of self defense. Al [standard disclaimer] " 10489,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Unconventional peace proposal Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500348:000:5967 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 18 07:24:00 1993 Lines: 131 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Unconventional peace proposal A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. ---------------------------------------------------------- by Elias Davidsson The following proposal is based on the following assumptions: 1. Fundamental human rights, such as the right to life, to education, to establish a family and have children, to human dignity, the right to free movement, to free expression, etc. are more important to human existence that the rights of states. 2. In the event of a conflict between basic human rights and rights of collectivities, basic human rights should prevail. 3. Between the collectivities defining themselves as Jewish-Israeli and Palestinian-Arab, however labelled, an unresolved conflict exists. 4. This conflict has caused great sufferings for millions of people. It moreover poisons relations between communities, peoples and nations. 5. Each year, the United States expends billions of dollars in economic and military aid to the conflicting parties. 6. Attempts to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict by traditional political means have failed. 7. As long as the conflict is perceived as that between two distinct ethnical/religious communities/peoples which claim the land, there is no just nor peaceful solution possible. 8. Love between human beings can be capitalized for the sake of peace and justice. When people love, they share. Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. 1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew and the other Palestinian-Arab. 2. To be entitled for a grant, a couple will have to prove that one of the partners possesses or is entitled to Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return and the other partner, although born in areas under current Isreali control, is not entitled to such citizenship under the Law of Return. 3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child. 4. The Fund would be financed by a variety of sources which have shown interest in promoting a peaceful solution to the Israeli-Arab conflict, including the U.S. Government, Jewish and Christian organizations in the U.S. and a great number of governments and international organizations. 5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on 'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the Middle-East in a graceful manner. Objections to this proposal will certainly be voiced. I will attempt to identify some of these: 1. The idea of providing financial incentives to selected forms of partnership and marriage, is not conventional. However, it is based on the concept of affirmative action, which is recognized as a legitimate form of public policy to reverse the perverse effects of segregation and discrimination. International law clearly permits affirmative action when it is aimed at reducing racial discrimination and segregation. 2. It may be objected that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not primarily a religious or ethnical conflict, but that it is a conflict between a colonialist settler society and an indigenous colonized society that can only regain its freedom by armed struggle. This objection is based on the assumption that the 'enemy' is not Zionism as ideology and practice, but Israeli-Jewish society and its members which will have to be defeated. This objection has no merit because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions concerning the primacy of fundamental human rights over collective rights (see above) 3. Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of financial incentives to encourage 'mixed marriages'. From their point of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of human rights. The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he gave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing assimilation of Jews in the world a , comparable in its effects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit either because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see above) 4. It may objected that only a few people in Israel/Palestine, would request such grants and that it would thus not serve its purpose. To this objection one might respond that although it is not possible to determine with certainty the effect of such a proposal, the existence of such a Fund would help mixed couples to resist the pressure of their respective societies and encourage young couples to reject fundamentalist and racist attitudes. 5. It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to bring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has merits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than $3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government and by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the Middle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would suffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable climate towards the existence of 'mixed' marriages in Israel/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a non-segregated society in that worn-torn land. I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful discussion and enrichment. Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND " 10490,9,From: kesslerm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL KESSLER) Subject: Box Scores Lines: 8 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 8 I was wondering if anyone types in the box scores each day. I am at college and am not able to get them till the weekend. I would be thankful if someone could p-mail the Twins box scores every so often. Also I am looking for a Twins 93 schedule. kesslerm@columbia.dsu.edu 10491,2,"From: robertsa@unix2.tcd.ie (Andrew L. Roberts) Subject: What does the .bmp format mean? Nntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College, Dublin Lines: 7 What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material which would give me this information? Thanks, Andrew " 10492,11,"From: philip@charon.cto.citicorp.com (Philip Gladstone) Subject: More Clipper Stuff Organization: Citicorp Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.cto.citicorp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] As of yet, there has been no description of the general principles behind the Clipper proposal. For example, is this a public key system or a private key system? If the latter, then I don't see how the system could work (given that the keys are tied to the device and not the person). Further, the escrowed 80-bit keys are split into two 40-bit chunks. I would guess that the availability of one of these 40-bit chunks and a reasonable key-search machine, would allow you to read the traffic. I'm not suggesting that this is a deliberate weakness of the system, but it does make you think. Of course, this is easily fixable by giving out two 80-bit chunks which could be x-ored to generate the real 80-bit key. Philip " 10493,0,"From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio de Re) Subject: Re: atheist? Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA Organization: MegaByte Digital Telecommunications Lines: 33 Tony Lezard writes: >My opinion is that the strong atheist position requires too much >belief for me to be comfortable with. Any strong atheists out there >care to comment? As far as I can tell, strong atheists are far >outnumbered on alt.atheism by weak atheists. At the cost of repudiating the FAQ, I think too much is made of the strong vs weak atheism issue, although in the context of alt.atheism, where we're continually attacked on the basis that strong atheists ""believe"" in the non-existence of god, I think the separation is a valid one. To cover my arse, what I'm trying to say is that there is an infinitely grey area between weak and strong, as well as between strong and the unattainable mathematical atheism (I wish!). Whereas I _logically_ can only support the weak atheist position, in effect I am a strong atheist (and wish I could be a mathematical one). To justify my strong atheist position I believe I need only show that the evidence presented in favour of any of the gods under scrutiny is faulty. If I read the FAQ correctly, no argument for the existence of god (generic, as represented by mainstream theologians) has ever been found to be unassailable. To me this is adequate evidence that the _real_god_ is undefinable (or at least no definition has yet been found to be watertight), which in turn I accept as sufficient to base a disbelief in each and every conceivable god. I'm a little fuzzy on the edges, though, so opinions are welcome (but perhaps we should change the thread subject). -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA) - tab stops at four. " 10494,4,"From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) Subject: Asante EN/SC hangs SCSI devices Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club Lines: 31 I just hooked up my Mac IIsi to a relatively old (1 year?) Asante EN/SC adapter. The 10Base-T connection works like a charm. I installed the newest drivers from Asante's ftp server. The problem begins when I attach one more device to the SCSI chain - specifically a 50MB drive. I power up the drive, then the Mac. The Mac tests memory, etc. Just before the ""happy Mac face"" normally shows up, the power light on the EN/SC goes out, and the boot process stops. So I can use the network, or the external drive, but not both at once. This makes the Asante box pretty much unusable. It doesn't look like a purely electrical SCSI problem, because if I turn on the drive just a second or so too late, so that it doesn't get noticed during the initial SCSI polling, the Mac boots normally and the adapter works, even though the hard disk is powered on and connected. The Mac has *never* once failed to boot from its internal drive up to now (and I've had it for over a year). Here is what I tried: changing the SCSI ID's of the EN/SC and the disk -- several permutations; changing the order of devices, i.e. the EN/SC at the head or tail of the chain; overterminating with an external terminator (both devices have internal ones); underterminating, i.e. removing internal resistors from the hard disk; trying another EN/SC box; trying another identical drive; trying several different SCSI cables. Has anybody seen this? More importantly, does anyone have a solution? Thanks a lot. E. -- Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) " 10495,12,"From: tg@cs.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos) Subject: 12V to 3V and 48V at 3A Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto Distribution: na Lines: 11 The subject line says it all. I'm working on a project that will use a car battery. I need to pull off 3V and possibly 48V at 3A. I have several ideas, but I'd prefer to benefit from all you brilliant people :-) -- ================= ""Conquest is easy, control is not"" | Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics [Star Trek TOS] | tg@utstat.toronto.edu USL forgot this simple history lesson " 10496,8,"From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) Subject: Re: GPz900 runs like a bitch. Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 31 I tried mailing you but your domain seems not to exist, can't even get sinet.slb.com to admit to knowing about geco, anyway here we go: In article <1q7kq1INNjl9@griffin.orpington.sgp.slb.com> you wrote: : Subject:GPz900 runs like a bitch. : Anyone have a cure for sub zero running probs on a GPz 900. : Anything below 3000 revs and the bike wants to cut out all the time, : the recommended cure in the bike mags seems to be to switch off the engine : for a minute to thaw the ice,but this is obviously not mutch of a cure. : mine has had the kawasaki heated carb mod but the problem persists, : i've covered the rad which makes the bike run warmer and moves the problem : down the temp scale a degree or two. : Has anyone tried a dynojet kit on the 900 or (getting desperate) different : carbs or the fuel injection off the GPz 1100. : Have you talked to Kawasaki, maybe they did another version of the upgrade kit. Got to be worth a phone call. Did you do the carb mod or did you buy it secondhand from someone who said that it had been done. Is that Orpington in Kent? If so have you heard of the Ogri mailing list which I run? Its an email list for bikers in the UK and interested parties, available live or as a daily digest. Let me know if you want to subscribe. Good luck, Dave -- David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000 ""This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."" " 10497,17,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 92 In article <1993Apr17.153728.12152@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > >In article <2BCF287A.25524@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >| >|> ""Assuming""? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in >|> this (or any) discussion, it doesn't help to bring up elements I never >|> addressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is >|> ""right"" or who is ""wrong"", only that civilians ARE being used as cover >|> and that, having been placed ""in between"" the Israelis and the guerillas, >|> they *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight. > >Pardon me Tim, but I do not see how it can be possible for the IDF to fail >to detect the presence of those responsible for planting the bomb which >killed the three IDF troops and then later know the exact number and >whereabouts of all of them. Several villages were shelled. How could the IDF >possibly have known that there were guerrillas in each of the targetted >villages? You see, it was an arbitrary act of ""retaliation"". > I will again *repeat* my statement: 1) I *do not* condone these *indiscriminate* Israeli acts (nor have I *ever*, 2) If the villagers do not know who these ""guerillas"" are (which you stated earlier), how do you expect the Israelis to know? It is **very** difficult to ""identify"" who they are (this *is why* the ""guerillas"" prefer to lose themselves in the general population by dressing the same, acting the same, etc.). > >|> The ""host"" Arab state did little/nothing to try and stop these attacks >|> from its side of the border with Israel > >The problem, Tim, is that the original reason for the invasion was Palestinian >attacks on Israel, NOT Lebanese attacks. > I agree; but, because Lebanon was either unwilling or unable to stop these attacks from its territory should Israel simply sit quietly and accept its situation? Israel asked the Lebanese government over and over to control this ""third party state"" within Lebanese territory and the attacks kept occuring. At **what point** does Israel (or ANY state) have the right to do something ITSELF to stop such attacks? Never? >|> > >|> While the ""major armaments"" (those allowing people to wage ""civil wars"") >|> have been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still >|> remain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and ""commando"" >|> raids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard >|> for human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue. > >Yes, I am afraid that what you say is true but that still does not justify >occupying your neighbor's land. Israel must resolve its disputes with the >native Palestinians if it wants peace from such attacks. > It is also the responsibility of *any* state to NOT ALLOW *any* outside party to use its territory for attacks on a neighboring state. If 1) Angola had the power, and 2) South Africa refused (or couldn't) stop anti-Angolan guerillas based on SA soil from attacking Angola, and 3) South Africa refused to have UN troops stationed on its territory between it and Angola, would Angola be justified in entering SA? If not, are you saying that Angola HAD to accept the situation, do NOTHING and absorb the attacks? >|> >|> Bat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks >|> were commonplace. > >Not true. Lebanese were not attacking Israel in the 1970s. With a strong >Lebanese government (free from Syrian and Israeli interference) I believe >that the border could be adequately patrolled. The Palestinian heavy >weapons have been siezed in past years and I do not see as significant a >threat as once existed. > I refered above *at all times* to the Palestinian attacks on Israel from Lebanese soil, NOT to Lebanese attacks on Israel. One hopes that a Lebanese government will be strong enough to patrol its border but there is NO reason to believe it will be any stronger. WHAT HAS CHANGED is that the PLO was largely *driven out* of Lebanon (not by the Lebanese, not by Syria) and THAT is by far the most important making it EASIER to control future Palestinian attacks from Lebanese soil. That **change** was brought about by Israeli action; the PLO would *never* have been ejected by Lebanese, Arab state or UN actions. > >Please, Tim, don't fall into the trap of treating Lebanese and Palestinians >as all part of the same group. There are too many who think all Arabs or all >Muslims are the same. Too many times I have seen people support the bombing >of Palestinian camps in ""retaliation"" for an IDF death at the hands of the >Lebanese Resistance or the shelling of Lebanese villages in ""retaliation"" for >a Palestinian attack. >|> I fully recognize that the Lebanese do NOT WANT to be ""used"" by EITHER side, and have been (and continue to be). But the most fundamental issue is that if a state cannot control its borders and make REAL efforts to do so, it should expect others to do it for them. Hopefully that ""other"" will be the UN but it is (as we see in its cowardice regarding Bosnia) weak. Tim " 10498,11,"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) Distribution: na Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 60 In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article <115863@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: >> >>I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private >>sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least >>partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any >>private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly >>evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released) >>The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware out >>there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.) >What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no >flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior >corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. No wonder American businesses are going down the tubes! :-| >I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if >they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to >attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and >governments to break. (It's NIST, not NSA. NSA is not supposed to have anything to do with this.) They didn't say that. They said is was better than some commercial-grade encryptions. I, for one, wouldn't trust them if they did, unless they release the algorithm for investigation. >I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about >the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly >satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). Maybe the ACLU and EFF. (It would have to be a non-profit, so the big 8 would be out.) >I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap >doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined >the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. I wouldn't trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but I'm not certain he would be told. >I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some >Swiss or anybody Japanese. That's your problem. >This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would >feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude >that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as >one very famous CEO put it to me one day. I want to emphasize the I am not speaking for Beckman Instruments at this point. However, we are an international company, and I would like to think that our customers come first, ahead of our government's whims. -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. " 10499,5,"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: transparent widgets--how? Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article AA16720@ntep2.ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp, cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) writes: >I need to write an application which does annotation notes >on existing documents. The annotation could be done several >times by different people. The idea is something like having >several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other >so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen >something like this being done by the oclock client. >Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt? >Thank you very much. The oclock widget was written using the SHAPE extension. You can do the same in your widgets. Few current widgets support SHAPE, so you'll have to subclass them to add that functionality. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com " 10500,4,"From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Organization: University of Houston Lines: 22 Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: franklin.bchs.uh.edu In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes: > I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM > drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know > when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part > number yet. Does anyone know what the part number > for this drive is and when it will be available? > > My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external > drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply > I'm not going to use. > > -Rodney Jacks > (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for quite awhile now. Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare. I've seen them listed for around $525-550 at local computer stores and the campus Mac reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, but I can't confirm it. Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu " 10501,10,"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat... Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 65 Roger Maynard shares his views, with the masses, on Bob Gainey and life in general: >In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA >(Greg Ballentine) writes: >>The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to >>prevent goals from being scored- not to score them. When >>Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score- >>defence is secondary- especially considering the line that >>plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is why >>they are not Selke candidates. >>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that >>assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall >>of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a >>technical error. >I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a >player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, >screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey. And I will never >forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down. >You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey. It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious 'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major. But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's skill as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour's head into the boards next week, will that diminish your assessment of Gilmour's skills? >Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to >say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the >pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne >Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, >Dick Duff...and so on... I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included him on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part of any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their contribution...I think that most people understand that it's not the Nobel Prize...so settle down. >cordially, as always, >rm >-- >Roger Maynard >maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca congenially, as always, jd -- James David david@student.business.uwo.ca j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario " 10502,7,"From: bjones@TrentU.CA (NAME) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Reply-To: bjones@TrentU.CA Organization: Trent University, Peterborough Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr16.091938.6821@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes: > >In article , wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes: >|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote: >|> >|> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to >|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, >|> : and take the truck. >|> : >|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! >|> >|> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida >|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers >|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this. > >Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning >holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US) >destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world >countries - but not the US! >In response to this and other articles that have been written on this subject, I would like to say that it is not just a US problem. In southern Ontario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people (mainly truckers) were shot at from overpasses. There are many sick people out there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to. >kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch " 10503,13,"From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: Newsgroups: sci.med Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!athena!aisun3.ai.uga.edu!mcovingt From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens References: <116305@bu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT Lines: 27 In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: >> >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. > >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures >why attending a ""corn festival"". We pumped her stomach and obtained >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. >After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as >""acute corn intoxication."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin??? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< What is aflatoxin? Sharon -- Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov NASA Langley Research Center Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241 Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362 " 10504,8,"Subject: Re: Traffic morons From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 16 In article , ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher) wrote: > > You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony. I'm not sure that's true. Let me rephrase; ""You can file a complaint which will bring the person into court."" As I understand it, a ""citizens arrest"" does not have to be the physical detention of the person. Better now? ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. " 10505,18,"From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) Subject: Re: Swimming pool defense Lines: 24 Organization: Pitzer College In article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >In article dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu ( David Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will improve these kids' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what inner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs? > >What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so >much more money to be made dealing drugs? > >Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner >city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids >are incapable of doing legitimate work? I suppose the correct answer is not ""family values""? S'pose not. Never mind. Sorry. --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""It's almost as though young kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |white guys get up in the Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |morning and have a big smile Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% |on their face ... because, |you know, Homer wrote the |_Iliad_."" -- D'Souza " 10506,1,"From: rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube) Subject: Re: Postscript drawing prog Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching Lines: 17 In article , nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes: |> Could somebody let me know of a drawing utility that can be |> used to manipulate postscript files.I am specifically interested in |> drawing lines, boxes and the sort on Postscript contour plots. |> I have tried xfig and I am impressed by it's features. However |> it is of no use since I cannot use postscript files as input for the |> programme.Is there a utility that converts postscript to xfig format? |> Any help would be greatly appreciated. |> Nishantha I think you are too optimistic! PostScript is a very big language and so the fig format can not be able to be an interpreter of ANY arbitrary ps code. The only program I know to manipulate PostScript files is IslandDraw. I for myself use xfig and include the PostScript files (converted to epsi format). Small changes then are possible (erasing some letters, adding text and so on). Reinhard " 10507,2,"From: jon@trust.anu.edu.au (Jon GOUGH) Subject: Windows and multiple monitors >10m apart Organization: CSLab, Autralian National Uni. Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.182 Hi, I am working on gathering data on the way that users use computers. This involves getting subjects to type and use a mouse. I want to be able to watch what they are doing without being in the same room. It would be ideal if I could watch the session on another monitor without the subjects knowledge. I believe that spliting the monitor cable will only work for short distances, ie <5m. I will need to be approx 10m away, as the cable travels. The PC's are connected to a TCP\IP network and run Windows 3.1. Is there any software that will allow me to watch what is happening on another PC? Thanks Regards Jon Gough TRUST Project " 10508,18,"From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Distribution: usa Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr12.183349.23115@kadsma.kodak.com>, pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes: [...] > What I see is that the media is reasonably fair, but is seen as > 'liberal' by conservatives, and 'conservative' by liberals. Not that I think anyone cares, but this pattern (using other examples of course) was discussed 2,000 years ago by Aristotle in _Nicomachean_Ethics_. Note that you can't use this insight to reason backwards; e.g.: Since the conservatives see the media as liberal and the liberals see the media as conservative, the media are fair! (though I've seen this ""reasoning"" implied) > Don Pajerek > > Standard disclaimers apply. Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton " 10509,3,"From: pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) Subject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner Nntp-Posting-Host: athansor Organization: not much... Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr9.125215.5613@infonode.ingr.com>, kbputt@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes: |> Don't they always? Of course, they're so much more expensive than |> most other quality competitors, Like who, f'rinstance? When I bought my system (November), no first, second, or third tier vendor could touch the price for the hardware/software combination I got from GW2000. |> Another good thing I have read in the midst of all the Gateway horror |> stories: If you were selling as many systems as fast as GW2000, you'd end up with four or five pissed-off customers too. And four or five ecstatic ones. And lots of satisfied ones... |> they have an excellent return policy! Don't minimize this; if you buy mail order, it's a good thing to know that you'll get replacements parts, no questions asked, in a day or two, via FedEx. |> They're very impressive systems (when they work) Which they do in the vast majority of cases. Remember that it's only the people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who love it, and the ones who hate it. You don't hear from the folks in the middle very often... They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar, and use almost all top-quality components. " 10510,12,"From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender) Subject: Re: HC11 blues -> no can find Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 10 In article pat@fegmania (Patrick Niemeyer) writes: >I too had trouble finding hc11's when I looked for them a while back. >I'd be interesting in hearing if anyone knows about their availability now... The newest JDR Microdevices catalog has at least one variant of the HC11. -- Rainer M. Malzbender Fyzzicks, CU Boulder (303)492-1366 " 10511,10,"From: layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!! Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Lines: 23 In article mwm@aps.anl.gov writes: >In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: >> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) >I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith >put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when >deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. >If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. > >Mike McDowell I have to disagree with you on this one. It is anything BUT common. In the 4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER. I am not sure what league you have been watching. :-) Anyone else agree with this? Colin Layfield | ""Religion and Sex are power plays, | Manipulate the people for the money they pay, The University of Calgary | Selling Skin, Selling God Computer Science | The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!"" layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | - Queensryche " 10512,14,"From: mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) Subject: Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK Lines: 26 <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but so was Wilbur and >Orville Wright, and quite a few others.. Sorry if I do not have the big degrees >and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something >that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without >dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh? The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most pernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you. You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here) which would give your imagination wings. Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of the Body Snatchers_: ""Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know"" -- ',' ' ',',' | | ',' ' ',',' ', ,',' | Del Cotter mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk | ', ,',' ',' | | ',' " 10513,7,"From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) Subject: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub21.cs.itc.hp.com My wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model. It was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the mountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I have read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine. I'm quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said ""once it's broken in it will feel more powerful"". I had been used to driving a Jeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92's Land Cruisers (Land Yachts) were 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my own personal opinion). They are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular. ( ___ )-----------------------------------------------------------( ___ ) | / | Tom Vervaeke Email: tvervaek@cs.itc.hp.com | \ | | / | Hewlett Packard Co. Phone: 719-590-2133 | \ | | / | | \ | |___| I love animals. They taste delicious. |___| (_____)-----------------------------------------------------------(_____) " 10514,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Wire wrap questions (again?) Article-I.D.: shelley.1pr803INNh8e Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey) writes: >In article <7376@blue.cis.pitt.edu> macfitz+@pitt.edu (Mark D Fitzsimmos) writes: > *After a considerable amount of research, review of discussions > *on this group, and mainly fruitless time on breadboards, I have > *decided that the path of least resistance for prototyping my (not > *necessarily someone else's) electronic designs is wire wrapping. > I have no idea about what you want to do, but be careful : >Wire wrapping increases a lot the wiring capacitance. That shouldn't >be a problem for ""slow"" applications (i.e a few MHz), but as for >quicker ones (around 30 / 40 MHz), I doubt that it can work. Fortunately, wire-wrapping is a better wiring technique than most at high frequencies; Cray computers (up to the X-MP, at least) all had wirewrapped backplanes. Wirewrap gets into trouble at much higher frequencies than any TTL can handle. The 'increase' of wiring capacitance is not really relevant (you have to use transmission line techniques, and the capacitance is no problem). > *1) Where can I get a decent wrapping tool? I'd like to spend less > *than $150 for an AC powered unit including bit and sleeve. > Hand powered is the best. There are good AC powered ones, >but rather expensive. A low-cost one doesn't work very well. Hand-powered is a terrible choice (IMHO) unless you are a field maintenance person who will do maybe a dozen connections at a time. Your hands will cramp. Battery-powered wire-wrap guns are available in the $150 range, and so are the little twiddle-stick manual types ($15). For a modest project, of a couple hundred connections, I'd prefer to borrow a professional AC unit... or a pneumatic one. John Whitmore " 10515,12,"From: ankleand@mtl.mit.edu (Andrew Karanicolas) Subject: Re: IC Packages Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ampere.mit.edu In article <1993Apr16.142715.12613@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) writes: >Getting a custom-made package is too expensive, so >I am trying to choose between a flatpak and a >leadless chip carrier. The flatpack would be hard >to test since it has to be soldered on to the test >setup and I would spend loads of time soldering >as I kept changing the test chip. The leadless chip >carrier sockets also have long lead lines and may >not work at high speeds. > > Does anyone out there have experience/knowledge >of this field ? I would greatly appreciate help! Any ideas/ >names of companies manufacturing holders/sockets/packages >would help. Check with Kyocera America, Inc. 24 Prime Park Way, Suite 150 Natick, MA 01760 They are one of the largest manufacturers of IC packaging in the world. It sounds like you would be a good candidate for wafer probing or at least IC probing to test performance. HP, Cascade Microtech and Tektronix should be able to help you here. One note, testing at high frequency accurately can be an *expensive* business. -- Andrew Karanicolas MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratory ankleand@mtl.mit.edu " 10516,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 26 In article elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes: > >Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an ""open system"" from >elsewhere? Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments which would aid them. I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities. The President and many other senior government officials have made it very clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the ""coincidence of interests"" argument as well as on a basic trust in their professionalism and a high confidence in their skills. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 10517,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventional peace) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu First this man promotes the dissolution of the Jews through an intermarriage process, and then says that it will be just a bunch of 'fundamentalist' Jews who will object. This clown even called for 'buying' the dissolution of the Jewish people. Does this idiot mean to suggest that any Jew who objects to an imibicilic notion like this is fundamentalist? Or does he simply mean to insult the orthodox by using the word 'fundamentalist?' I am not orthodox. I am not fundamentalist. I would desire a genuine peace in the region more than this pinhead Davidsson can ever understand. But when he shows his willingness to dismiss an entire culture, he proves that the only thing more brain-boggling than his stupidity is his willingness to display his stupidity in this newsgroup. Please take your hatred for the essence of Judaism and shove it up your ass. Remember to pull your head out first. " 10518,3,"From: David Reeve Sward Subject: Re: AMD i486 clones: Now legal in US?!?!?! Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.180211.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 19-Apr-93 AMD i486 clones: Now legal .. by poe@wharton.upenn.edu > A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN > and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 > clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. > Can anyone out there verify this? It's true. I read about it from an article in ClariNet (can't send it here though). U.S. District Court Judge William A. Ingram, of San Francisco, threw out the jury verdict prohibiting AMD from using Intels' microcode for the 486. -- David Sward sward+@cmu.edu Finger or email for PGP public key: 3D567F Fingerprint = E5 16 82 B0 3C 96 DB 6F B2 FB DC 8F 82 CB E9 45 Stop the Big Brother Chip - Just say NO to the Clipper ""Wiretap"" Chip! " 10519,15,"From: drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker) Subject: Re: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 89 Regarding ""Jesus only"" believers, our moderator writes: [There may be some misunderstanding over terms here...] I agree. Quite likely, actually. [...I believe ""Jesus only"" originally was in the context of baptism. These are folks who believe that baptism should be done with a formula mentioning only Jesus, rather than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This may have doctrinal implications, but as far as I know it does not mean that these folks deny the existence or divinity of the Father. I'm not the right one to describe this theology, and in fact I think there may be several, including what would classically be called monophysite or Arian (two rather different views), as well as some who have beliefs that are probably consistent with Trinitarian standards, but who won't use Trinitarian language because they misunderstand it or simply because it is not Biblical. --clh] Not Biblical? What then can they make of the end of Matthew? (28:18)And Jesus came and said to them, ""All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (19)Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded to you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."" {Other ancient authorities add *Amen*} [NRSV] The notes give no sense that this is emended. Do other texts contradict this regarding Baptism? Or is a misunderstanding of the Trinity the most likely explanation after all? But maybe I simply misunderstand their views. (Is anyone else out there forced to read this group with both a good Bible and an unabridged dictionary?? Christianity really is an education in itself.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |David R. Tucker KG2S drt@athena.mit.edu| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Arrgggghhhh. When I talked about people who rejected Trinitarian language as unBiblical, I was speaking of Trinitarian theology, things like ""one essense and three persons"". Obviously the three-fold baptismal formula is Biblical, as you point out. (I normally use the term ""three-fold"" in referring to Mat. While it is certainly consistent with belief in the Trinity, the Trinity is a doctrine whose full formulation occurred in the 4th and 5th Cent's. It's unlikely that Mat. had in mind the fully-developed Trinitarian doctrine. Indeed the three-fold baptismal formula is used by some groups that do not believe in the Trinity.) The disagreement over baptismal formulae occurs because of passages such as Acts 2:38, which command baptism in the name of Jesus. (There are a couple of other passages in Acts as well.) This leaves us with sort of a problem: we're commanded in Mat. to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and in Acts to baptize in the name of Jesus. ""Jesus only"" groups baptize in the name of Jesus. They consider this consistent with Mat 28:18, because they say that Jesus is the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I'm not the right one to ask to explain what this means. I will simply say that it does not appear to be normal Trinitarian theology. (It is also an odd way of dealing with the idiomatic phrase ""in the name of"".) Those who use the three-fold formula don't seem to have a standard answer to the passages talking about baptizing in the name of Jesus. I suspect that the most common explanation is to say that ""in the name of"" need not be a verbal formula. To say that you baptize in the name of Jesus may simply mean that you are doing baptism under Jesus' authority. In the 1st Cent. context, it contrasts Christian baptism with the baptism of John or other Jewish baptism. Of course there's a certain parallelism between these passages. That suggests that we could just as well say that Mat 28:18 doesn't require the specific three-fold formula to be used in baptism, but simply characterizes baptism done by those who follow the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One might well suspect that in the early church, more than one baptismal formula was used. So long as we consider following Jesus to be the same as following the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no great damage would be done by such a difference. This does *not* mean that I think we should go back to using both formulae. Baptism is one of the few things that almost all Christian groups now recognize mutually, so I do not think doing something to upset that would be in the interests of the Gospel. This is reinforced by the fact that those groups that actually use ""in the name of Jesus"" now do seem to have in mind a difference in doctrine. But as I've said before, I'm not the one to explain what their doctrine is. --clh] " 10520,10,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Article-I.D.: netnews.120666 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks really sharp. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" " 10521,10,"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 1: Goaltenders Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 80 As the Sharks' season came to a close tonight, I will start a series of posts, trying to revisit the players, the trades, the moves, etc., that went through for the Sharks for the past season. If you are uninterested, since I will have the words SHARKS REVIEW in the subject heading in these postings, you can kill them. I will first try to evaluate how the players did. These ratings, of course, are subject to my own biases, but I hope that I can try to be as objective as possible. I will evalute players who finished the season with the Sharks and/or did not play for another NHL team this season. Thus, then, let's go to the goaltenders... #1 BRIAN HAYWARD Season: 11th Acquired: '91-92 from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: P (D) It is sad that his career has to come to this dim an end, a career that featured sharing three Jennings Trophies (with Patrick Roy, in '87, '88, and '89). It would indeed be unfair for me to do anything but give him a passing grade (and skip the letter grading), but he had simply been awful on ice this year, save for a bright spot or two, and even if he had been healthy, he would not be any more than the 3rd-string goalie. But Hayward was a classy individual, who also figured in on the Sharks' first ever victory, the 3rd game of the season last year against the Calgary Flames. As he retires, the fans will remember what a good guy he was. #30 JEFF HACKETT Season: 3rd Acquired: '91-92, from N. Y. Islanders in expansion draft Grade: C Hackett, after (deservedly) winning the team MVP honors last season, simply wasted the year. Other than a few good spots (57 saves against Los Angeles, almost-shutout against Tampa Bay, etc.), Hackett, finishing with 85.6% save percentage and a 5.28 GAA, watched his status go from the team's #1 goalie to bench decoration at the end of the season. He was expected, early, to carry the team along; instead, he apparently became frustrated, but the an early injury that forced him to miss 12 games may have been a contributing factor, but upon return, he simply wasn't up to the task. He may not return next year. #31 WADE FLAHERTY Season: 1st (still eligible as rookie) Acquired: '91-92, signed as undrafted free agent Grade: I (A-) It is pretty hard to evaluate a goaltender on just one game alone, thus the incomplete grade, but yet in the one start that he did get (against the Calgary Flames), Flaherty was nothing but sharp for at least two periods. He started the season poorly in Kansas City, but finished strong, prompting the Blades' owner Ron Parker to comment that he should be a candidate for the IHL MVP honors. The upcoming IHL playoffs would be a major challenge for him as he tries to make it into the NHL; last year, he was a capable backup for Arturs Irbe in the throughout the season and in the Turner Cup playoffs, picking up all-star honors along with Irbe; now it's time for him to show that he can share the job with Irbe next year, because with prospects Dan Ryder, Trevor Robins, and Scott Cashman coming along, if he doesn't make it next year, he may not ever. #32 ARTURS IRBE Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: B+ I may yet be overly critical of Irbe in a year that he clearly established that he's a bona fide NHL goaltender, perhaps a bona fide #1 goaltender. He has provided most of the little highlight footage that the Sharks team had, getting the team's first ever shut-out against the Los Angeles Kings on December 26. He has been fearless in and out of the net, aggressively playing the puck and making passes, reminding people of a young Ron Hextall (except, of course, the goonism). Yet he still needs to develop more consistency, which is hard to do with such a bad defense in front of him, but if the Sharks are to challenge for a playoff spot next season, Irbe's the key, as he demonstrated in being named as a star of the game 13 times in 32 starts. =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks " 10522,1,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: RE: Hot new 3D software Lines: 16 I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips. But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers' I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration. In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as ""AVID and a great book by Steve Worley called ""Understanding Imagine 2.0"" This book i is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST! I think an important consideration should be price...... $3000 for 3DS (Not including ""tool"" packages) Under $500 for Imagine complete. " 10523,7,"From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >In article Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes: >>In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes: >>The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never >>gets to the wheels. In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual. >only when the torque converter is not locked up. there are autos out there >with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you, a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away. Michael T. Chaffee mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail .sig under construction. <----Excuse " 10524,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >In article <1993Mar31.140529.10843@news.cs.indiana.edu> ""Paul Hager"" > writes: >> >> As an old post of mine came up in a collection of posts about >> the ACLU's position on gun-control, I would like to note that my >> own position has been evolving. But, I'm still not sure how to >> answer the question, ""does the 2nd allow me to have my own nuclear >> device?"" >The second amendment does not prohibit it, but it can probably be argued that >there is no way you can operate one without severely impacting on the safety >and rights of others, and so might not be permitted on that basis. The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say ""neutron and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay"", boys and girls? aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 10525,2,"From: Steve Frampton Subject: Is ""Kermit"" available for Windows 3.0/3.1? Summary: Looking for Windows Kermit. Keywords: windows kermit comm app Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca Distribution: world Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all: I was wondering, is the ""Kermit"" package (the actual package, not a different program with Kermit file transfers) available for Microsoft Windows 3.0/3.1? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail or post. Thanks in advance! +--------+< Unabashed Shabba Ranks Fan! >+------+--------------------+ | Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton | | I collect postcards! If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. | | your area, I'll send one in return. Send to >| Kingston, Ontario | | (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA K7L 1C3 | +-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ " 10526,17,"From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Article-I.D.: vein.MUCIT.93Apr15173530 <1993Apr14.064421.27655@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> <93104.141046FINAID5@auvm.american.edu> <1993Apr14.211615@IASTATE.EDU> <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: [stuff deleted] >>I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only >>not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. >>It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. >>I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the >>visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it >>was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > > I thought it was a smart move to receive more money from Greek tourists. > I bet that this week there should be about 200,000 tourists from Greece > in Turkey. Each one will leave at least $1,000 so go and figure what this > means to your economy. If you had kept the visa requirement, how many > Greeks would bother to visit Turkey? Smart indeed. If what you're saying is true, Greeks who visit are happy, the Turkish merchants are happy; who is harmed? No one. So not only was it a smart move, it was also a good move for it adds to the happiness of 200.000 Greeks per week and however many Turkish merchants they interact with. One simple move in the paperwork arena -> lotsa happy people of both nationalities. Just and observation. cheers, BM [stuff deleted] " 10527,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The 'justice' for the victims of the Armenian Barbarism and Fascism. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 102 In article <66118@licre.ludwig.edu.au> THEO@licre.ludwig.edu.au writes: >> First of all: it is called ISTANBUL. >> Let me even spell it for you: I S T A N B U L >> - - - - - - - - >> >> Secondly: The Turks are also asking for their money, for >> their destroyed and confiscated properties in Greece, and >> former-Yugoslavia (Bosnia and Serbia). >Classic !! It is called 'The Justice'. We also demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render reparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed. >Now if we're talking about rent and vandalism, let's make it fair then: >Greece pays back it's dues and Turkey pays for 400 years rent and >destruction of classical architecture. Deal? Democracy in action. Are you the 'truelove' or 'falselove' of 'Arromdian' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? ""If Turks had behaved like Christians to use force to convert to Islam the nations which they brought under their power, to which no one could have opposed, today there would be no Eastern problem. But Turks did not do so. They obeyed the word of the Koran to permit everybody ""to worship in their own way"" centuries before Frederick the Great pronounced his famous dictum. Thus, in an age when the Christian Europe itself shed Christian blood and when people in Europe enjoyed inflicting inhuman tortures upon those whose beliefs differed from theirs, the Ottoman Empire became the sole country where the inquisition did not exist, where deaths at the stake were unheard of and where accusations of witchcraft were not made. And the barbarian (!) Turkey was the only country where the Jews persecuted and chased away everywhere by the Christians, could find asylum. These facts demonstrate that Muslim countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian countries.""[1] ""The Turks, who are a conquering nation, did not Turkify the nations that came under their rule; instead, they respected their religions and traditions. It was a stroke of luck for Romania to live under Turkish rule instead of Russian or Austrian rule. Because otherwise there would not have been a Romanian nation today"" (Popescu Ciocanel). ""Turks rule over people under their administration only externally, without interfering with their internal structures. On account of this, the autonomy of minorities in Turkey is better and more complete than any in the most advanced European countries.""[2] ""...human beings hate each other on account of religious differences. This flaw is older than Islam and Christianity. But there has never been any examples of this adjuration in Turkey because Turks never oppress anybody on account of his religion. If enmity on the basis of religion had been such a case of simple contempt among us too, or if it did not keep translating itself into action, many nations in our Europe would probably have considered themselves happy!"" (A. de Mortraye).[3] ""Turkey never became a scene for religious terror or for the cruelty of the inquisition. On the contrary, it served as an asylum for the unfortunate victims of Christian fanaticism. If you look into history, you will see that in the fifteenth century thousands of Jews who were expelled from Spain and Portugal found such a good asylum in Turkey that their descendants have been living there very calmly all through these approximately three hundred years, and are only forced to defend themselves in some countries against the cruelty of Christians, especially that of the Orthodoxes. No Jew is able to appear in public during Easter celebrations in Athens, even today. In Turkey, however, if the Israelites are insulted by the Greek and Armenian communities, local courts immediately take them under their protection."" ""In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are living together peacefully. Although the mosque is superior to the church and the synagogue, it does not replace them. Because of this, the Catholic sect is more free in Istanbul and Smyrna compared with Paris and Lyon. In addition to the fact that no law in Turkey prohibits the open-air ceremonies of this sect, neither does any law imprison its cross in the church. While the dead are being taken to the graves, a long line of priests bear processional candles and chant Catholic hymns. When all the priests in all the churches in the Galata and Beyoglu districts go into the streets and form clerical processions during the Eucharist celebrations, chanting hymns and bearing their crosses and religious banners, a detachment of soldiers escorts them which forces even the Turks to stand in respect around the group of priests."" (A. Ubicini).[4] [1] Ah. Djevat, ""Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler,"" 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978), pp. 70-71. [2] Ibid., p.91. [3] Ibid., pp. 214-215. [4] Ibid., pp. 215-216. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 10528,3,From: pec2@Isis.MsState.Edu (Paul E. Carroll) Subject: ** DO NOT ROTATE INTERRUPTER ** WOOPS!! HELP!! Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 22 AAAHHHH!!!!! Please someone tell me what I have done!!! My 40 Meg miniscribe (8450AT) has a big sticker on the side that says ***DO NOT ROTATE INTERRUPTER** ---> (big knob here) A big knob sticking off the side of the drive is pretty hard NOT to turn when removing the drive! I turned it. Now the drive won't spin up! Even with no data or controller cables plugged in.. just power... it won't spin up!! Please help! Thanks -- -Paul Carroll -(pec2@Ra.MsState.Edu) (pec2@ERC.MsState.Edu) -NSF Engineering Research Center for Computational Field Simulation 10529,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: about Eliz C Prophet Lines: 21 Rob Butera asks about a book called THE LOST YEARS OF JESUS, by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. I do not know the book. However, Miss Prophet is the leader of a group (The Church Universal and Triumphant) derived from the I AM group founded by a Mr. Ballard who began his mission in the 1930's (I am writing this from memory and may not have all the details straight -- for an old account, check your library for a bnook by Marcus Bach) after an eighteenth-century Frenchman appeared, tapped him on the shoulder, and offered him a cup of ""cosmic essence."" A major tenet of the movement is that there is a monastery in the mountains of Tibet from which a monk descends to the lower altitudes every few centuries to preach, and that all major religions have been founded by monks from this monastery. Typically, the Ballard family and their successors, the Prophet family (related by marriage, if I remember aright), base almost all their teachings on messages they have allegedly received by telepathy from Tibet. I should be surprised if the book you mention has any scholarly basis. Yours, James Kiefer " 10530,11,From: skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K Train) Subject: Help me please! Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Distribution: net Lines: 7 I am a PhD student. Can I get the sci.crypt group posted directly to me??? Also I would like some feed-back on the encryption schemes that my research in finite fields can be applied to. Any takers Reply to gamv25@udcf.gla.ac.uk Thanks yours Gavin. 10531,14,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Long Island (was Why use AC at 20kHz for SSF power) X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 21 on Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:19:46 GMT, Edmund Hack writes: /In article <1pgdno$3t1@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: /> />I always thought GD's Fighter plants were in Long Island. /> /No, Northrup has a plant on Long Island. I don't think Northrup ever had a plant on Long Island. The two main airframe manufacturers there were (Fairchild)/Republic which closed its doors after the T-46 cancellation, and Grumman (which is still hanging on last I time I called). I think Sperry also started there. If you're ever in the area check out the Cradle of Aviation Museum at Mitchell field (now mostly parking lots behind the Nassau Coliseum and the community college). Good display of vehicles from Long Island, including a LEM flight article. Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics ""Man will not fly for fifty years"": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901 " 10532,12,"From: cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) Subject: FET-TRONS(sp?) Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 5 Has anyone ever heard of FET-TRONS (or is it FETRONS, FETTRONS, ...). These were FET replacement modules for vacuum tubes. I'm looking for applications where they were used. Charlie Brett - HP Ft. Collins " 10533,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 26 In article , pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: |> |> Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have |> with weapons. |> |> -- |> Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! |> Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... |> University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. |> pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho IMO, a Christian has no need of weapons. I know it is very contrary to the American NRA ethos of the right to bear arms, but Christians should rely on the strength of God to protect them. Note that I say *should*. We are inherently insecure but I feel that that is not proper justification to be armed to the teeth. A Christian should not have to rely on physical weapons to defend himself. A Christian should rely on his faith and intelligence. For instance, I have the faith that God will protect me but God also gave me the intelligence to know not to go walking down that dark alley at night. To jump off a cliff and say that God will save me would be putting God to the test. And who are we to test God? God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 10534,4,"From: oelt0002@student.tc.umn.edu (Bret Oeltjen) Subject: Cheap video card for LC? w/fpu? Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-33.gw.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 7 Just wondering if anyone had info/experience with a video/fpu for a mac LC, just thinking of adding a second monitor, most likely grayscale. Bret Oeltjen exp(Pi i) + 1 = 0 University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering " 10535,17,"From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: |> In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought |> Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct |> the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily |> (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article |> saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. If you want info claiming that blacks were brought to earth 60 trillion years ago by Aliens from the plante Shabazz, I can send you literature from the Nation of Islam (Farrakhan's group) who believe this. If you want info claiming that the Holocaust never happened, I can send you info from IHR (Institute for Historical Review - David Irving's group), or just read Dan Gannon's posts on alt.revisionism. I just wanted to put Steve's post in with the company that it deserves. |> Steve Gedaliah Friedenberg -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science -=-Michigan State University " 10536,14,"From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Article-I.D.: indyvax.1993Apr22.162501.747 Lines: 10 In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund such a contest without delving to deep into the budget. I mentioned granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, ""mining rights.) Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year moratorium on taxes. Tom Freebairn " 10537,12,"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 23 In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and >nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks. > > >My question is: > > Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. > > >I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part >numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help! Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving? Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-) " 10538,15,"From: oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: Washington University Astrophysics Lines: 36 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: > >(1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something >else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. > >(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the >Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so >(it would have discredited the Christians). > >-- >:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** >:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* >:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * >:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< And the two simplest refutations are these: (1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years after the supposed event. (2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. -Scott O. " 10539,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan Keywords: pis bogaz Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 38 In article <94492@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: [KT] HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to [KT] see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you. So ... close your eyes and walk away. [KT] You are getting itchy as your fucking country. I have been defending the history of the Armenians on this network for over six years. I have seen the likes of you enter his forum, make fools of themselves, and ""simply vanish"" as did the Armenians in 1915! [KT] Hey , and dont give me that freedom of speach bullshit once more. Realize sir, you are not in Turkey! In the USA freedom of speech is not considered ""bullshit"". It is because of such freedoms that Turks like yourself are allowed to attend Georgia Tech. [KT] Because your freedom has ended when you started writing things about my [KT] people. And try to translate this ""ebenin donu butti kafa David."". What's the problem? If you can't stand the heat -- leave! Your government murdered 1.5 million Armenians and you would have me stay quiet to suit your personal fancy or some fascist fetish regarding the greatness of Turkey! Well, that is simply too bad. [KT] BYE, ANACIM HADE. [KT] TIMUCIN Pis bogaz! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""Armenia has not learned a lesson in S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it."" 4/14/93 Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal " 10540,9,"From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) Subject: Re: My 1993 Predictions Article-I.D.: odin.C52w7y.n09 Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: bullpen.csd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr6.143616.3588@infonode.ingr.com> kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com writes: >I thought I'd post my predicted standings since I find those posted by others >to be interesting. Sorry this is after Opening Day. I certify that these >were completed before the first pitch. :-) > > >NL West - The 2 best teams in baseball are in this division. >1. Atlanta Braves - Awesome starters, but offense could be a concern >2. Cincinnati Reds - Would not surprise me if they won it all >3. Houston Astros -Any team that signs Uribe won't contend. Closer to 4 than 2 >4. San Diego Padres - Plantier could be the Sheffield of 1993 >5. Los Angeles Dodgers - better pitching than the Giants >6. San Francisco Giants - because the Rockies just stink >7. Colorado Rockies - will become the Seattle Mariners of the NL. > > >NLCS Montreal d. Atlanta (Braves fans, yes I'm probably contradicting > what I said in my NL West comment.) >ALCS New York d. Minnesota > >World Series New York d. Montreal - Hating the Yankees will be > fashionable again > >NL MVP: Barry Bonds, or maybe McGriff I guarantee that if Bonds wins the MVP the Giants will finish higher than 6th. luigi -- Randy Palermo luigi@csd.sgi.com Fax: (415)961-6502 Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039 ""Play an accordion, go to jail. That's the LAW"" " 10541,6,"From: dkfox@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (fox darin k) Subject: FOR SALE: 386 Laptop/80 HD/4m RAM Summary: FOR SALE: 386 Laptop/80m HD/4m RAM Keywords: laptop 386 for sale Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 *FOR SALE* Compudyne 386-25SXL Laptop 80 meg HD 4 meg RAM 3.5"" FD VGA Monochrome 64 Grey Scale +Math Coprocessor! Asking $1500, or best offer. Must sell soon. **Do not reply to this email address** Call Johnny at 312/856-1767 Email: phd_cz@gsbacd.uchicago.edu -- | Darin K. Fox, B.A. '89, J.D. '92 | Are you master of your | | Univ. of Ill. Graduate School of | domain? | | Library and Information Science | - Seinfeld | " 10542,13,"From: heart@access.digex.com (G) Subject: cholistasis(sp?)/fat-free diet/pregnancy!! Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Hi, I've just returned from a visit with my OB/GYN and I have a few concerns that maybe y'all can help me with. I've been seeing her every 4 weeks for the past few months (I'm at week 28) and during the last 2 visits I've gained 9 to 9 1/2 pounds every 4 weeks. She said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period. As it stands I've thus far gained 26 pounds. Also she says that though I'm at 28 weeks the baby's size is 27 weeks, I think she mentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus. When I was 13 weeks the baby's size was 14 weeks. I must also add, that I had an operation a few years ago for endometriosis and I've had no problems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain in my pelvic region during the pregnancy, and I have a very difficult time moving, and the doc has recommended I not walk or move unless I have to. (I have a little handicapped sticker for when I do need to go out.) Anyway that's 1/2 of the situation the other is that almost from the beginning of pregnancy I was getting sick (throwing up) about 2-3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated. (I told her about this). I know this because I wasn't eating very much due to the nausea and could see the 'results'. Well now I only get sick about once every 1-2 weeks, and it is still bile related. But in addition I had begun to feel movement near my upper right abdomen, just below the right breast, usually when I was lying on my right side. It began to get worse though because it started to hurt when I lay on my right side, and then it hurt no matter what position I was in. Next, I noticed that when I ate greasy or fatty foods I felt like my entire abdomen had turned to stone, and the pain in the area got worse. However if I ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to 'cut' the fat it wasn't as much of a problem. So the doctor says I have cholistatis, and that I should avoid fatty foods. This makes sense, and because I was already aware of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship I have been avoiding these foods on my own. But I'm still able to eat foods with Ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods. But doc wants me to be on a non-fat diet. This means no meat except fish and chicken w/o skin (I do this anyway). No nuts, fried food, cheese etc. I am allowed skim milk. She said I should avoid anything sweet (e.g. bananas). Also I must only have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day ( potatoes, pasta, rice)! She said I can't even cook vegetables in a little bit of oil and that I should eat vegetables raw or steamed. I'm concerned because I understand you need to have some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process. And if I'm not taking in fat, is she expecting the baby will take it from my stores? And why this restriction on carbohydrates if she's concerned about fat? I'm not clear how much of her recommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on cholistatis, which I can't seem to find any information on. She originally said that I should only gain 20 pounds during the entire pregnancy since I was about 20 lbs overweight when I started. But my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and she's taken it all off and hasn't had any problems. She also asked if any members of my family were obese, which none of them are. Anyway I think she is overly concerned about weight gain, and feel like I'm being 'punished' by a severe diet. She did want to see me again in one week so I think she the diet may be temporary for that one week. What I want to know is how reasonable is this non-fat diet? I would understand if she had said low-fat diet, since I'm trying that anyway, even if she said really low-fat diet. I think she assumes I must be eating a high-fat diet, but really it is that because of the endometriosis and the operation I'm not able to use the energy from the food I do eat. Any opinions, info and experiences will be appreciated. I'm truly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet because fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few minutes and I'll end up having to eat constantly. Thus far I don't find any foods satisfying. Thanks G " 10543,17,"From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Reply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: > From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan): > > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks > > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to > > believe for somebody trying to be objective. > > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot > > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. > > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? > > Do you think it was your right to be there? > > There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. > Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? > > > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only > > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. > > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. > > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the > > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it > > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > > > Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in > Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial > waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of > Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. > > There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. > > > > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated > > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person > > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is > > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals > > why the hatred? > > Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or > indirecly is a ""bad"" person. > It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the > actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". > People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you > are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and > as a such you must pay the price. > > > So that makes me think that there is some kind of > > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person > > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your > > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish > > encounters during your schooling. > > take it easy! > > > > -- > > Tankut Atan > > tankut@iastate.edu > > > > ""Achtung, baby!"" > > You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to > Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under > Turkish occupation. > They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. > > You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from > people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. > > Napoleon Well, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace on the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked at the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit throughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue, filled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this? Forget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue. -- Tankut Atan tankut@iastate.edu ""Achtung, baby!"" " 10544,9,"From: jrs@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Robert Sapp) Subject: Re: Billy gets cheers in Baltimore! Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library Distribution: na Lines: 41 In article <5APR199313263142@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes: >Orioles vs. Texas at Camden Yards, April 5, Opening Day: > >Batting 9th for Texas, playing Second Base: > > BILLY ... RIPKEN > >The hometown crowd gave their favorite ex-2nd Baseman a 2-minute standing >ovation as Billy, wearing flashy shades, took the cheers smiling and >waving. > > ""Consummate role player"" (in the words of P.A. caller Jon Miller) >Tim Hulett failed to receive similar cheers when announced. Mainly because >he didn't have the courtesy to show up. Wasn't Hulett injured yesterday after being hit in the face with a ball while running bases? I heard something about him recieving stiches and a possible broken nose. Is he at the park? > Fernando was warmly received, good to see that. Let's see how they feel when he's 0 and 4 with a 4.9 ERA. I have my doubts about Fernando. > F.Y.I, when Cal was announced, Jon Miller says: > ""It seems like yesterday when this young man...began a consecutive >game streak ... 10-time All-Star, 2 time MVP, 2 time gold glover, our >future Hall of Fame shortsop, batting 3rd, Cal Ripken"". The Standing O >lasted about 15 seconds. 1:45 less than Billy. Blargh. Well, when a fan favorite gets dumped, he's gonna get an outstanding ovation on his first return. Let's add up the ovations Cal has recieved over the years during the game and compare that to Billy. BTW, Sutcliffe's getting knocked around pretty good. Rangers up 5 - 1 in the bottom of the fourth. --Rob " 10545,11,"From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 17 steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes: > >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for > >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. > > The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would > result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, > isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of > people are worried about already.... > > Could you expand on this? I have a feeling you're right, but I don't quite understand. -- ""You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! from door to door..."" -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group " 10546,12,"From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1pslckINNmn0@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes... > >From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive >device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking >up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would >be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of >detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. > From my rather rusty knowledge of radio, most radio receivers use a superhet circuit, so that the incoming signal is mixed with a local oscillator, giving a fixed intermediate frequency (IF) that is more easily amplified. The detector detectors work by picking up IF re-radiated from your radar detector. In Britain, where one has/used to pay for a TV licence, there are/were TV detector vans prowling the streets, looking for people who hadn't paid their licence fee. They had a couple of long solenoid antennae on the roof, and I believe could triangulate an operating TV from the IF. I wonder how much of the IF is radiated back from the detector antenna, and how much from the rest of the module. It might be worth putting the detector in a proper RF shielded enclosure. -- Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada finger advax@reg.triumf.ca for PGP key " 10547,1,"From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 11 In <1993Apr20.083731.260@eicn.etna.ch> NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch writes: >Do somenone know the solution to run XV ??? any help would be apprecied.. I would guess that it requires X, almost certainly DV/X, which commonly uses the GO32 (DJGPP) setup for its programs. If you don't have DV/X running, you can't get anything which requires interfacing with X. -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" " 10548,13,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Intravenous antibiotics Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr19.144358.28376@spectrum.xerox.com> leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com writes: :I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me :intravenous Acyclovir. : :It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about :how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral? : I think some essential information must be missing here, i.e., you must be suffering from a condition which has caused immunosuppression. There is no indication for IV acyclovir for shingles in an otherwise healthy person. The oral form can help to reduce the length of symptoms, and may even help prevent the development of post-herpetic neuralgia, but I certainly would not subject someone to IV therapy without a good reason. To address your more general question, IV therapy does provide higher and more consistently high plasma and tissue levels of a drug. For treating a serious infection this is the only way to be sure that a patient is getting adequate drug levels. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= " 10549,18,"From: em@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Electronic Maintenance) Subject: INCREDIBLE NEW B.B.S. Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: hprpcd.rose.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7] WOW !!!! Did I discover a great BBS !! It's called Sovereignty Lies In The People BBS: 916-589-4620 14.4 k baud. FREE and Confidential ! Fictitious names OK ! Subjects and files contained on the BBS: * FIND OUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SCAMMING US !!!! * State Citizenship documents and issues. ARE YOU A CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC CITIZEN OR A U.S. FEDERAL CITIZEN ? Remember there were only State Citizens before the 14th amendment!! One is subject to federal income tax, one isn't. Did you volunteer to surrender your State Citizenship when you got your Social Security number? Which one are you? * Tax laws and issues. BEAT THE IRS * Traffic laws and issues. BEAT TRAFFIC TICKETS. Can you answer this one: What law allows a police officer to arrest you without a warrant when he issues you a ticket? * Religious truth issues. ARE ALL RELIGIONS SCAMS ???? ARE ALL CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS OF THE GREAT CREATOR GOD ???? * Trust documents and issues. The SYSOP told me that instructions to beat traffic tickets will be on the BBS shortly. Beat traffic tickets without going to court!!! The BBS is GREAT, spread the word !!!! Also: How come I don't hear more people talking about the Federal Reserve Bank? Just ask yourself these questions: 1) Why would anyone borrow money from themselves at interest? The Federal government does * NOT * * NOT * The Federal reserve Bank is private. The American people are being ripped off royally. 100% of the income tax goes to pay on the Federal debt to the Federal Reserve Bankers. Not one dime goes for services. Services like the military and welfare come from excise taxes and the like. 2) Why do we the American people stand for this????? ** Check Out The New BBS ** " 10550,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: mathew writes: >>>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely >>>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just >>>implanted some sort of electronic device. >>Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in >>potential criminals like Communists and atheists? > > Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people > *before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this? Look up ""irony"", Keith. mathew " 10551,13,"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester Distribution: inet In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: >Of course we can't hope (currently at least) to explain how or why >Kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails. >Surely it wasn't the *only* daydream he had. What was special about >*this* one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived >*analogy* between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning >geometry of molecules? Is such analogical reasoning ""extra-scientific""? >Or is it rather at the very heart of science (Perice's notion of abduction, >the use of models within and across disciplines)? Upon close examination, >is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps >closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? I feel the need to repeat myself: Kekule's dream is a rather bad example of much of anything. Read Root-Bernstein's book on the history of the benzene ring. -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu " 10552,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. >> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago. >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely >>scenarios. > >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. More than someone who would not release children from the compound. I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is >>ludicrous. > >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? > >Drew >-- >betz@gozer.idbsu.edu >*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** >*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** >*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium -- " 10553,17,"From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES In-Reply-To: henrik@quayle.kpc.com 's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:24:49 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: vein.cs.rochester.edu Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> In article <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: In article , mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes: [...] henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ henrik] Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do henrik] want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them. News reports I've seen say otherwise both location and motives wise. CAPS don't change facts. BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it BM] is a part of it. henrik] Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged henrik] training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians. So? Should I, at this point break into caps and start talking about DEFENSE etc.? I don't know how 'fully engaged' Turkey is/was though. henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them BM] within their borders? henrik] Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into henrik] the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime. So I hear. This justifies bloodshed N years after the fact? henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER henrik] OCCUR again. BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? henrik] It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped henrik] into Armenia if SHE could. Why would Turkey do that? Do you not realize that this is a local clash that Turkey never wished to see happen? Turkey has other plans for region, like economic revival, co-operation etc. Good stuff in other words, I'd be happy to bicker with Armenians over trade barriers and such on USENET rather than 'who killed whom in what way' which I detest doing and wouldn't do. BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? henrik] Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many henrik] cases, HISTORY repeats itself. Even if one buys into your implicit premise, the sane thing to do would be to try not to provoke Turkey as was done in '74. If there'd been a democratic government instead of a bunch of idiots in Athens at the time, everybody would have stayed home with their families. [I have no wish to go into the Cyprus quarrel, but I suspect what I've said is not only accurate but also palatable to all parties involved] BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians BM] are attacking Azeri towns. henrik] So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey henrik] wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !! So what do you think we want? War, death and destruction? henrik] I will believe it when I see it. No, if you allow yourself to believe it you just might see it. henrik] Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing henrik]to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)? This kind of childish rhetoric doesn't help anthing. henrik] Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the henrik] BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean henrik] BURNING people ALIVE ! Now, some Azeri will come out and give a description of similar stuff perpetrated by Armenians. One should re-hash stuff like this often to keep the hatred alive, right? BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the BM]futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes. henrik] Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are henrik] NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY henrik] from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN. Well they obviously aren't getting anywhere with their current methods of asking (not very peaceful I'd say). BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal? henrik] Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the henrik] conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in henrik] KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion. I don't know if you want a solution or just want to exchange slogans. Peace isn't what's happening right now, furthermore what's happening right now isn't condusive to peace. You can spend days and nights raving about how 'right' the Armenian position is and I'm sure there'll be others who'd be happy to talk to you by arguing the other side. If entrenched positions lead to war, and if people want peace than they should sit down and talk about a compromise. Armenia isn't strong enough to exercise the 'we think we're right, and we have the bombs, so we'll do whatever we want, so there...' style of foreign relations. Yes you can type Stalin in caps, and give one sided atrocity stories etc. but for peace you need to be willing to talk to the other side. You personally can choose not to do that of course, this being just USENET. The people in power shouldn't be so childish. BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of BM] their blood and future. henrik] Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension henrik] to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH henrik] are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET. Azeri's would disagree with you on this, and the maps I've seen support what they'd be saying. It doesn't seem likely that a solution will be reached in this manner. BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading BM] inflammatory half-truths. henrik] It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely henrik] for it. It didn't look it when I read your posting. It would seem to me that if you can spew mis-information about a boogey-man, you can also talk about how one might avoid the nastiness. Fair? henrik] But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself, henrik] you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of henrik] The Armenian Massacres. You don't realize I can say the same thing about 'The Turkish Massacres.' Yes, boys and girls, let's always talk about how bad and nasty things were. Let's do that so we're overwhelmed by anger, and let's do that so our kids will also be hateful. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Don't do it then. BM " 10554,4,"From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) Subject: PowerBook 170 4/40 Expires: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 00:43:13 GMT Reply-To: Monty Solomon Organization: Proponent Lines: 8 The PowerBook 170 4/40 with Fax/Data modem is available thru CitiBank's CitiDollars catalog for $1995.00 + $19.95 S/H (+ 500 CitiDollars). The modem is 2400 bps data, 9600 bps fax (send only). -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com " 10555,8,"From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 37 In article <1poj23INN9k@west.West.Sun.COM> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes: >In article <8108.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> \ >ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >% >% I think I've found the ultimate summer job: It's dangerous, involves >% motorcycles, requires high speeds in traffic, and it pays well. >% >% So my question is as follows: Has anyone here done this sort of work? >% What was your experience? >% [Stuff deleted] > Get a -good- ""AtoZ"" type indexed streetmap for all of the areas you're > likely to work. Always carry plenty of black-plastic bin liners to Check with the local fire department. My buddy is a firefighter and they have these small map books which are Amazing! They are compact, easy to use (no folding). They even have a cross reference section in which you match your current cross streets with the cross streets you want to go to and it details the quickest route. They gave me an extra they had laying around. But then again I know all those people I'm not really sure if they are supposed to give/sell them. (The police may also have something similar). >-- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | John Little - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without Todd Doolittle | a red-line. Troy, MI | '88 EX500 DoD #0832 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10556,6,"From: alee@ecs.umass.edu Subject: ***** HP calculator for $13 ***** Lines: 13 Greetings! HP 20s forsale. comes with case no manuals excellent condition asking for $13.00 If interested, please E-mail today. Al " 10557,1,"From: holler@holli.augs1.adsp.sub.org (Jan Holler) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Reply-To: holli!holler@augs1.adsp.sub.org Organization: private Lines: 24 X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith In article nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes: > In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: > > CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in > Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga > groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split > would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured > environment. Am I glad you write that. I got flamed all along because I begged NOT to crosspost some nonsense articles. The problem with crossposting is on the first poster. I am aware that this posting is a crossposting too, but what else should one do. You never know where the interested people stay in. To split up newsgroups brings even more crossposting. -- Jan Holler, Bern, Switzerland Good is not good enough, make it better! holli!holler@augs1.adsp.sub.org ((Second chance: holler@iamexwi.unibe.ch)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (( fast mail: cbmehq!cbmswi!augs1!holli!holler@cbmvax.commodore.com )) " 10558,11,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 43 In article <115863@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: > >I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private >sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least >partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any >private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly >evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released) >The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware out >there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.) What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and governments to break. I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some Swiss or anybody Japanese. This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as one very famous CEO put it to me one day. Just some perspective from another point of view. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. " 10559,1,"From: lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee) Subject: Re: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?) Organization: Hughes Transportation Simulation Center, HAC; Culver City, CA Lines: 30 In article <115072@bu.edu> kiki@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Keith Baccki) writes: >C. Lee (lee@obiwan.rsg.hac.com) wrote: >: Did you say DEC Alpha? Upgrade path from [...] >: 6xx0: replace. Upgrade path from VAX 66x0 to Alpha: replace the system. > Not totally fair - you haven't mentioned the DECstation >series. I think if SGI made CISC mainframes they wouldn't provide >an upgrade path to an Onyx. I agree with you about the upgrade path; but I think I was fair. The original posting complained (1) about SGI coming out with newer (and better) architectures and not having an upgrade path from the older ones, and (2) that DEC did. On statement (1), I merely attempted to point out that all computer companies are constantly attempting to improve their product (& market position/share). In so doing, they eventually come to a point where they have a new architecture, and the only upgrade path is to replace the system. And the particular system he was complaining about was (in computer lifetimes) relatively old. On statement (2), I felt DEC's history of providing upgrades was not far superior than the industry ""average"", and that, in my opinion, SGI's history is better than DEC's. (And what is DEC doing with it's MIPS based DECstation line? Are they going to ""abandon"" it for their Alpha based line, or provide an upgrade path to R4400's and TFP's and R5's?) -- " 10560,18,"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) Subject: Polls (was Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati) Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 37 Reply-To: Jason C. Austin NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: libwca@emory.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 20:31:09 GMT In article <2680@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes: -> : According to a ``CNN Poll'' to key reason for Clinton's low -> : approval rating is people are angry about him not moving fast enough -> : on gays in the military. I just burst out laughing when I heard this; -> : what planet do these CNN people live on anyway? -> : -- -> : Jason C. Austin -> : j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov -> -> Dunno, man... that sounds pretty damned unlikely to me, too, -> although it's certainly one of the reasons I'm pissed off at him. -> Maybe the sample was taken entirely from my fellow memebers of the -> Cultural Elite? -> -> Jason, can you quote some of these poll questions? -> -> Thanks, -> Bill -> v I've never seen CNN give out the poll questions on the air. If you sent them a letter asking for them, you might get them. Here's my guess of how part of a session might look: Question: Do you approve of Clinton's performance? Answer: No Questions: Do you disapprove due to the gays in the military issue? Answer: Yes Conclusion: Clinton has a low approval rating because he's not moving fast enough on gays in the military. I think any group truly dedicated to reporting the news would not use manufactured news like polls. -Jason " 10561,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: The Manitoban Candidate Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 12 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) says: >With yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to >pay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect >that the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American >shadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some Hey, he HAS been talking with Mulroney a lot, huh? " 10562,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 35 In article richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes: >> Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might >> need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that >> much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM? >> Any help would be appreciated. >So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by >increasing the amount of overlapping you do. > >One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it >possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory >without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move >the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and >bus mastering. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus? >IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface >created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data >bytes, with no DMA. If we're talking ISA (AT) bus here, then you can only have 1 DMA channel active at any one time, presumably transferring data from a single device. So even though you can have at least 7 devices on a SCSI bus, explain how all 7 of those devices can to DMA transfers through a single SCSI card to the ISA-AT bus at the same time. Also, I'm still trying to track down a copy of IBM's AT reference book, but from their PC technical manual (page 2-93): ""The (FDD) adapter is buffered on the I.O bus and uses the System Board direct memory access (DMA) for record data transfers."" I expect to see something similar for the PC-AT HDD adapter. So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense. " 10563,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 >As the moderator noted, I think you mean the Assumption. Catholics >believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary went to Heaven body *and* soul at >the end of her life. This is unusual because the normal course of >events is for your body to decay in the grave and stay that way until >the Resurrection of the Dead. Well, it wasn't that way for Enoch and Elijah, both of whom were translated directly into heaven. It's beyond my grasp why some object that Mary, who was far greater than either Enoch or Elijah, should not benefit from the same privelege they recieved. She was after all, Mother of God, full of grace, and immaculate. >Historically, belief in the Assumption can be found in the writings of >St. Gregory of Tours (late 6th century). And in St. Germain of Constantinople and St. John of Damascus, and in St. Andrew of Crete, among others. And it should be noted that the Monophysite Chruches of Egypt and Syria also hold to this belief as part of divine revelation, even though they broke away from the unity of the Chruch in 451 AD by rejecting the Council of Chalcedon. It might be argued by some Protestants that the Catholics and Orthodox made this belief up, but the Monophysites, put a big hole in that notion, as they also hold the belief, and they split from the Chruch before the belief was first annunciated in writing (as far as is known, much has been lost from the time of the Fathers). Andy Byler " 10564,12,"From: jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals?? Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article , frankh@scraps.uucp (Frank Holden KA3UWW) writes: > In rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes: > >>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage >>levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have >>a suggestion?? Thanks. > > Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what > you want. They are selling it for about $3.50... Digi-Key also sells Quad Line Receivers, parts DS1489AN (68cents) and DS1489N (48cents). A Quad Line Driver, part DS1488 (48cents), is also sold. I guess if you don't won't to supply +12V, the chips with the pump-up circuitry might be worth the extra cost. But 1488's and 1489's are available at your friendly neighborhood RS, parts MC1488 (276-2520) for $1.29 and MC1489 (276-2521) for $1.29. Jeff White jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu " 10565,4,"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: pb100 memory upgrade Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 16 jeffe@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (george) writes: >does the pb100 use different memory than the newer models? >I am looking to buy a 2Mb upgrade, so I need to know >which other powerbooks use the same 2Mb card. I think all Powerbooks use the same 2 Meg upgrade, but the 4 Meg and 6 Meg upgrades are different for the PB100 than for the other PBs. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 " 10566,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah! Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 21 hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: >Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using >civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? So, it's okay to use civilians for cover if you're attacking soldiers in your country. (Of course, many of those attacking claim that they aren't Lebanese, so it's not their country.) Got it. I think. Hmm. This is confusing. Could you perhaps repeat your rules explaining exactly when it is permissible to use civilians as shields? Also please explain under what conditions it is permissible for soldiers to defend themselves. Also please explain the particular rules that make it okay for terrorists to launch missiles from Lebanon against Israeli civilians, but not okay for the Israelis to try to defend themselves against those missiles. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 10567,2,"Subject: ===> EPS display software? From: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Lines: 4 Does any one know of any shareware/freeware software which lets one display EPS files on a PC with DOS and/or Windows??? Your reply would be much appreciated. Thanks. Hal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca " 10568,0,"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: dsi.1pq6skINNhi4 Distribution: usa Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com In article <1993Apr3.221101.25314@midway.uchicago.edu> shou@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1pi0dhINN8ub@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: >>Bigots never concede that their bigotry is irrational; it >>is other people who determine that by examining their arguments. >[...] >No! I expected it! You've set yourself up a wonderful little >world where a bigot is whomever you say it is. This is very >comfortable for you--imagine, never having to entertain an >argument against your belief system. Simply accuse the person >making of being a bigot. Well, this particular thread of vituperation slopped its venom over into alt.atheism, where we spend most of our time entertaining arguments against our belief system, without resorting to accusing others of bigotry. It's somewhat ironic that our exposure to bigotry happens in this instance to have originated in rec.scouting, since I always understood scouting to teach tolerance and diversity. I understand bigotry to be irrational prejudice against other people who happen to be of a different race, religion, ethnic background, sex, or other inconsequential characteristics. All the evidence I've seen indicates that sexual orientation and lack of belief in gods are exactly such inconsequential characteristics. Thus, pending further evidence, I conclude that those who show prejudice against such people are bigots, and organizations that exclude such people are discriminatory. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. " 10569,19,"From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >In article >bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >>psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: >>> But if we walk in the light, >>> as he is in the light, >>> we have fellowship one with another, >>> and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son >>> cleanseth us from all sin. >> It can not be a light which cleanses >> if it is tainted with the blood >> of an innocent man. > >Human blood sacrifice! Martyrdom of an innocent virgin! ""Nailed"" to a >wooden pole! What is this obsession with male menstruation? Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not on the Endangered Species List. Thank you. " 10570,4,"From: Earl D. Fife Subject: Re: printer, blp elite X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:02:42 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.42 Organization: Calvin College X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 42 In article Glen Hoetker, ghoetker@nova.sti.nasa.gov writes: > I'm in the market for a Post-script compatible laser writer. My needs > are pretty modest so 300 dpi, 4 pages a minute would be just fine. > My budget is also pretty modest, so inexpensive would also be good. > It will be working from a single mac, but networkability would > probably be a good investment for the future. > >With that in mind... > > 1) Anyone have comments about the suitability/quality/value of a GCC > BLP Elite printer? I just recently purchased the GCC BLP Elite and I really like it. My needs are much the same as what you describe. In addition, I wanted to get one that I could access via AppleTalk, so that eliminated the new line of inexpensive printers from Apple. The print quality is good to excellent based on what font you're using and what paper you use. I'm still experimenting with different papers, but a medium grade laser printer paper seems to work fine. Printing envelopes, transpariencies, letter head, or other single feed jobs is very easy. There is an adjustable, automatic centering, guide on top of the sheet feeder which aligns the paper properly (and doesn't feed a sheet from the sheet feeder, as some do). (I have no affiliation with GCC, just a satisfied customer.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College (616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 ========================================================================= " 10571,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 22 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr21.204941.15055@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: > >>So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >>U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? > >Why would you want to do that? The goal is to do it cheaper (remember, >this isn't government). Instead of leasing an expensive launch pad, >just use a SSTO and launch from a much cheaper facility. Allen, sometimes I think you're OK. And sometimes you tend to rashly leap into making statement without thinking them out. Wanna guess which today? You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know of a private Titan pad? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 10572,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 22 In article rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu writes: >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for >deceleration. Actually, Hiten wasn't originally intended to go into lunar orbit at all, so it indeed didn't have much fuel on hand. The lunar-orbit mission was an afterthought, after Hagoromo (a tiny subsatellite deployed by Hiten during a lunar flyby) had a transmitter failure and its proper insertion into lunar orbit couldn't be positively confirmed. It should be noted that the technique does have disadvantages. It takes a long time, and you end up with a relatively inconvenient lunar orbit. If you want something useful like a low circular polar orbit, you do have to plan to expend a certain amount of fuel, although it is reduced from what you'd need for the brute-force approach. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 10573,3,"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr18.035941.14697@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes: > >Heck, if IDE used DMA, then you'd hear all kinds of complaints about >ISA bus systems with more than 16M RAM not working with their IDE >drives. 16M is the DMA addressing limit of the ISA bus, and if IDE >did DMA there would be trouble. There would be no problems as long as the OS didn't set up a DMA transfer to an area above the 16 mb area (the DMA controller probably can't be programmed that way anyways, so there probably isin't a problem with this) Besides, like I said before, the FDD controller uses DMA channel #2. And I don't yet believe that the HDD controllers (any of them, MFM, RLL, etc) don't also use DMA. " 10574,11,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 08/10 - Technical Miscellany Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 414 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 8 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Technical Miscellany. Recovering Word Perfect passwords. Breaking Vigenerre ciphers. Encrypting Unix files/email. Security of Unix `crypt' command. Encryption and compression. Key management. Letter frequency. The German Enigma code. Card shuffling. S/W piracy. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part08 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 8: Technical Miscellany This is the eighth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents * How do I recover from lost passwords in WordPerfect? * How do I break a Vigenere (repeated-key) cipher? * How do I send encrypted mail under UNIX? [PGP, RIPEM, PEM, ...] * Is the UNIX crypt command secure? * How do I use compression with encryption? * Is there an unbreakable cipher? * What does ``random'' mean in cryptography? * What is the unicity point (a.k.a. unicity distance)? * What is key management and why is it important? * Can I use pseudo-random or chaotic numbers as a key stream? * What is the correct frequency list for English letters? * What is the Enigma? * How do I shuffle cards? * Can I foil S/W pirates by encrypting my CD-ROM? * Can you do automatic cryptanalysis of simple ciphers? * What is the coding system used by VCR+? * How do I recover from lost passwords in WordPerfect? WordPerfect encryption has been shown to be very easy to break. The method uses XOR with two repeating key streams: a typed password and a byte-wide counter initialized to 1+. Full descriptions are given in Bennett [BEN87] and Bergen and Caelli [BER91]. Chris Galas writes: ``Someone awhile back was looking for a way to decrypt WordPerfect document files and I think I have a solution. There is a software company named: Accessdata (87 East 600 South, Orem, UT 84058), 1-800-658-5199 that has a software package that will decrypt any WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, Quatro-Pro, MS Excel and Paradox files. The cost of the package is $185. Steep prices, but if you think your pw key is less than 10 characters, (or 10 char) give them a call and ask for the free demo disk. The demo disk will decrypt files that have a 10 char or less pw key.'' * How do I break a Vigenere (repeated-key) cipher? A repeated-key cipher, where the ciphertext is something like the plaintext xor KEYKEYKEYKEY (and so on), is called a Vigenere cipher. If the key is not too long and the plaintext is in English, do the following: 1. Discover the length of the key by counting coincidences. (See Gaines [GAI44], Sinkov [SIN66].) Trying each displacement of the ciphertext against itself, count those bytes which are equal. If the two ciphertext portions have used the same key, something over 6% of the bytes will be equal. If they have used different key, then less than 0.4% will be equal (assuming random 8-bit bytes of key covering normal ASCII text). The smallest displacement which indicates an equal key is the length of the repeated key. 2. Shift the text by that length and XOR it with itself. This removes the key and leaves you with text XORed with itself. Since English has about 1 bit of real information per byte, 2 streams of text XORed together has 2 bits of info per 8-bit byte, providing plenty of redundancy for choosing a unique decryption. (And in fact one stream of text XORed with itself has just 1 bit per byte.) If the key is short, it might be even easier to treat this as a standard polyalphabetic substitution. All the old cryptanalysis texts show how to break those. It's possible with those methods, in the hands of an expert, if there's only ten times as much text as key. See, for example, Gaines [GAI44], Sinkov [SIN66]. * How do I send encrypted mail under UNIX? [PGP, RIPEM, PEM, ...] Here's one popular method, using the des command: cat file | compress | des private_key | uuencode | mail Meanwhile, there is a de jure Internet standard in the works called PEM (Privacy Enhanced Mail). It is described in RFCs 1421 through 1424. To join the PEM mailing list, contact pem-dev-request@tis.com. There is a beta version of PEM being tested at the time of this writing. There are also two programs available in the public domain for encrypting mail: PGP and RIPEM. Both are available by FTP. Each has its own newsgroup: alt.security.pgp and alt.security.ripem. Each has its own FAQ as well. PGP is most commonly used outside the USA since it uses the RSA algorithm without a license and RSA's patent is valid only (or at least primarily) in the USA. RIPEM is most commonly used inside the USA since it uses the RSAREF which is freely available within the USA but not available for shipment outside the USA. Since both programs use a secret key algorithm for encrypting the body of the message (PGP used IDEA; RIPEM uses DES) and RSA for encrypting the message key, they should be able to interoperate freely. Although there have been repeated calls for each to understand the other's formats and algorithm choices, no interoperation is available at this time (as far as we know). * Is the UNIX crypt command secure? No. See [REE84]. There is a program available called cbw (crypt breaker's workbench) which can be used to do ciphertext-only attacks on files encrypted with crypt. One source for CBW is [FTPCB]. * How do I use compression with encryption? A number of people have proposed doing perfect compression followed by some simple encryption method (e.g., XOR with a repeated key). Unfortunately, you can only compress perfectly if you know the exact distribution of possible inputs. For all practical purposes it's impossible to describe ``the typical English text'' beyond coarse characteristics such as single-letter frequencies. You can build up more and more sophisticated models of your inputs, but if the enemy has a slightly more accurate model, he'll be able to find some redundancy in your compressed output. Note that nearly all practical compression schemes, unless they have been designed with cryptography in mind, produce output that actually starts off with high redundancy. For example, the output of UNIX compress begins with a well-known three-byte ``magic number'' that can serve as an entering wedge for cryptanalysis. This is not to say that compression before encryption is inherently a bad idea; it just has to be done very, very carefully, and by no means removes the need for strong encryption. Compression after encryption is silly. * Is there an unbreakable cipher? Yes. The one-time pad is unbreakable; see part 4. Unfortunately the one-time pad requires secure distribution of as much key material as plaintext. Of course, a cryptosystem need not be utterly unbreakable to be useful. Rather, it needs to be strong enough to resist attacks by likely enemies for whatever length of time the data it protects is expected to remain valid. * What does ``random'' mean in cryptography? Cryptographic applications demand much more out of a pseudorandom number generator than most applications. For a source of bits to be cryptographically random, it must be computationally impossible to predict what the Nth random bit will be given complete knowledge of the algorithm or hardware generating the stream and the sequence of 0th through N-1st bits, for all N up to the lifetime of the source. A software generator (also known as pseudo-random) has the function of expanding a truly random seed to a longer string of apparently random bits. This seed must be large enough not to be guessed by the opponent. Ideally, it should also be truly random (perhaps generated by a hardware random number source). Those who have Sparcstation 1 workstations could, for example, generate random numbers using the audio input device as a source of entropy, by not connecting anything to it. For example, cat /dev/audio | compress - >foo gives a file of high entropy (not random but with much randomness in it). One can then encrypt that file using part of itself as a key, for example, to convert that seed entropy into a pseudo-random string. When looking for hardware devices to provide this entropy, it is important really to measure the entropy rather than just assume that because it looks complicated to a human, it must be ""random"". For example, disk operation completion times sound like they might be unpredictable (to many people) but a spinning disk is much like a clock and its output completion times are relatively low in entropy. * What is the unicity point (a.k.a. unicity distance)? See [SHA49]. The unicity distance is an approximation to that amount of ciphertext such that the sum of the real information (entropy) in the corresponding source text and encryption key equals the number of ciphertext bits used. Ciphertexts significantly longer than this can be shown probably to have a unique decipherment. This is used to back up a claim of the validity of a ciphertext-only cryptanalysis. Ciphertexts significantly shorter than this are likely to have multiple, equally valid decryptions and therefore to gain security from the opponent's difficulty choosing the correct one. Unicity distance, like all statistical or information-theoretic measures, does not make deterministic predictions but rather gives probabilistic results: namely, the minimum amount of ciphertext for which it is likely that there is only a single intelligible plaintext corresponding to the ciphertext, when all possible keys are tried for the decryption. Working cryptologists don't normally deal with unicity distance as such. Instead they directly determine the likelihood of events of interest. Let the unicity distance of a cipher be D characters. If fewer than D ciphertext characters have been intercepted, then there is not enough information to distinguish the real key from a set of possible keys. DES has a unicity distance of 17.5 characters, which is less than 3 ciphertext blocks (each block corresponds to 8 ASCII characters). This may seem alarmingly low at first, but the unicity distance gives no indication of the computational work required to find the key after approximately D characters have been intercepted. In fact, actual cryptanalysis seldom proceeds along the lines used in discussing unicity distance. (Like other measures such as key size, unicity distance is something that guarantees insecurity if it's too small, but doesn't guarantee security if it's high.) Few practical cryptosystems are absolutely impervious to analysis; all manner of characteristics might serve as entering ``wedges'' to crack some cipher messages. However, similar information-theoretic considerations are occasionally useful, for example, to determine a recommended key change interval for a particular cryptosystem. Cryptanalysts also employ a variety of statistical and information-theoretic tests to help guide the analysis in the most promising directions. Unfortunately, most literature on the application of information statistics to cryptanalysis remains classified, even the seminal 1940 work of Alan Turing (see [KOZ84]). For some insight into the possibilities, see [KUL68] and [GOO83]. * What is key management and why is it important? One of the fundamental axioms of cryptography is that the enemy is in full possession of the details of the general cryptographic system, and lacks only the specific key data employed in the encryption. (Of course, one would assume that the CIA does not make a habit of telling Mossad about its cryptosystems, but Mossad probably finds out anyway.) Repeated use of a finite amount of key provides redundancy that can eventually facilitate cryptanalytic progress. Thus, especially in modern communication systems where vast amounts of information are transferred, both parties must have not only a sound cryptosystem but also enough key material to cover the traffic. Key management refers to the distribution, authentication, and handling of keys. A publicly accessible example of modern key management technology is the STU III secure telephone unit, which for classified use employs individual coded ``Crypto Ignition Keys'' and a central Key Management Center operated by NSA. There is a hierarchy in that certain CIKs are used by authorized cryptographic control personnel to validate the issuance of individual traffic keys and to perform installation/maintenance functions, such as the reporting of lost CIKs. This should give an inkling of the extent of the key management problem. For public-key systems, there are several related issues, many having to do with ``whom do you trust?'' * Can I use pseudo-random or chaotic numbers as a key stream? Chaotic equations and fractals produce an apparent randomness from relatively compact generators. Perhaps the simplest example is a linear congruential sequence, one of the most popular types of random number generators, where there is no obvious dependence between seeds and outputs. Unfortunately the graph of any such sequence will, in a high enough dimension, show up as a regular lattice. Mathematically this lattice corresponds to structure which is notoriously easy for cryptanalysts to exploit. More complicated generators have more complicated structure, which is why they make interesting pictures--- but a cryptographically strong sequence will have no computable structure at all. See [KNU81], exercise 3.5-7; [REE77]; and [BOY89]. * What is the correct frequency list for English letters? There are three answers to this question, each slightly deeper than the one before. You can find the first answer in various books: namely, a frequency list computed directly from a certain sample of English text. Of course any such list will be ``correctly'' computed, but exactly which list you get depends on which sample was taken. The second answer is that the question doesn't make sense. What do you mean by ``English letters''? The ``English language'' is not a fixed, finite, closed object that can be exactly characterized. It has changed over time; it is different between different authors. Any particular message will have different statistics from those of the language as a whole. The third answer is that yes, no particular message is going to have exactly the same characteristics as English in general, but for all reasonable statistical uses these slight discrepancies won't matter. In fact there's an entire field called ``Bayesian statistics'' (other buzzwords are ``maximum entropy methods'' and ``maximum likelihood estimation'') which studies questions like ``What's the chance that a text with these letter frequencies is in English?'' and comes up with reasonably robust answers. So make your own list from your own samples of English text. It will be good enough for practical work, if you use it properly. * What is the Enigma? ``For a project in data security we are looking for sources of information about the German Enigma code and how it was broken by the British during WWII.'' See [WEL82], [DEA85], [KOZ84], [HOD83], [KAH91]. * How do I shuffle cards? Card shuffling is a special case of the permutation of an array of values, using a random or pseudo-random function. All possible output permutations of this process should be equally likely. To do this, you need a random function (modran(x)) which will produce a uniformly distributed random integer in the interval [0..x-1]. Given that function, you can shuffle with the following [C] code: (assuming ARRLTH is the length of array arr[] and swap() interchanges values at the two addresses given) for ( n = ARRLTH-1; n > 0 ; n-- ) swap( &arr[modran( n+1 )], &arr[n] ) ; modran(x) can not be achieved exactly with a simple (ranno() % x) since ranno()'s interval may not be divisible by x, although in most cases the error will be very small. To cover this case, one can take ranno()'s modulus mod x, call that number y, and if ranno() returns a value less than y, go back and get another ranno() value. * Can I foil S/W pirates by encrypting my CD-ROM? Someone will frequently express the desire to publish a CD-ROM with possibly multiple pieces of software, perhaps with each encrypted separately, and will want to use different keys for each user (perhaps even good for only a limited period of time) in order to avoid piracy. As far as we know, this is impossible, since there is nothing in standard PC or workstation hardware which uniquely identifies the user at the keyboard. If there were such an identification, then the CD-ROM could be encrypted with a key based in part on the one sold to the user and in part on the unique identifier. However, in this case the CD-ROM is one of a kind and that defeats the intended purpose. If the CD-ROM is to be encrypted once and then mass produced, there must be a key (or set of keys) for that encryption produced at some stage in the process. That key is useable with any copy of the CD-ROM's data. The pirate needs only to isolate that key and sell it along with the illegal copy. * Can you do automatic cryptanalysis of simple ciphers? schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) says: AccessData of Orem, Utah sells products that break the password scheme of a number of popular Macintosh and PC software packages. Their telephone number is (801) 224-6970 No PD software has been cited but there are many papers on the subject.... Peleg, S. and Rosenfeld, A. ""Breaking Substitution Ciphers Using a Relaxation Algorithm"" Comm. ACM Vol. 22(11) pp 598-605 (Nov. 1979) Lucks, Michael, ""A Constraint Satisfaction Algorithm for the Automated Decryption of Simple Substitution Ciphers"", Advances in Cryptology -- CRYPTO '88, Springer Lecture Notes in Computer Science, vol. 403 (The paper also contains references to earlier work on the subject.) John Carrol and Steve Martin, ""The Automated Cryptanalysis of Substitution Ciphers"", Cryptologia, vol X number 4, Oct 86 p193-209. John Carrol and Lynda Robbins, ""Automated Cryptanalysis of Polyalphabetic Ciphers"", Cryptologia, vol XI number 4, Oct 87 p193-205 Martin Kochanski, ""A Survey of Data Insecurity Packages"", Cryptologia, vol XI number 1, Jan 87 p1-15 Martin Kochanski, ""Another Data Insecurity Package"", Cryptologia, vol XII number 3, July 88, p165-177. Cryptologia Vol XIII Number 4 1989 pp 303-326. King and Bahler, ""Probabilistic Relaxation in the Cryptanalysis of Simple Substitution Ciphers"" Cryptologia 16(3):215-225. King and Bahler, ""An Algorithmic Solution of Sequential Homophonic Ciphers"". Cryptologia, April 93 (in press). R. Spillman et.al., ""Use of Genetic Algorithms in Cryptanalysis of Simple Substitution Ciphers"", Cryptologia, vol XVII Number 1, Jan 93 p31-44. * What is the coding system used by VCR+? One very frequently asked question in sci.crypt is about how the VCR+ codes work. The following article attempts to describe it. K. Shirriff, C. Welch, A. Kinsman, ""Decoding a VCR Controller Code,"" Cryptologia, 16(3), July 1992, pp 227-234. " 10575,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: sgi Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr3.100039.15879@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: |> In <1p8ivt$cfj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >Should we British go around blowing up skyscrapers next? |> |> I don't know if you are doing so, but it seems you are implying |> (1) that the person accused of blowing up the WTC in NY actually did it, |> and |> (2) that Islamic teachings have something to do with blowing up the WTC. I was replying to a person who attempted to justify the fatwa against Rushdie on the grounds that his work was intentionally insulting. I think that to take a single sentence from a fairly long posting, and to say ""I don't know if you are doing so, but it seems you are implying....."" is at the very best quite disingenuous, and perhaps even dishonest. If anyone care to dig back and read the full posting, they will see nothing of the kind. I trust you don't deny that Islamic teaching has ""something to do"" with the fatwa against Rushdie? jon. " 10576,11,"From: hooper@ccs.QueensU.CA (Andy Hooper) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Distribution: na Lines: 3 Isn't Clipper a trademark of Fairchild Semiconductor? Andy Hooper " 10577,4,"From: bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) Subject: Re: HELP! Duo 230 problems Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 41 chess@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Vantuyl Chess) writes: > I just got a Duo 230, and I'm having some difficulties. >If the machine is plugged in to the wall adapter, put to sleep, >unplugged from the wall, and woken up, it crashes 75% of the time. >(There's nothing but the original system software on the machine.) >The battery has plenty of life - I think this must be a power manager >problem, but I don't know what to do about it. >Also, the speaker occasionally makes a high-pitched hiss. The noise >is irregular, but seems to favor sleep and restart commands. I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on the screen - it freezes. I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at startup. I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times already and finally they agreed something is astray after my Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't afford to be without my Duo at this time. Anyone out there with these same problems? -- Brian Cherkas * * bcherkas@netcom.com I AOL/BrianC22 \_/ compuserve/71251,3253 Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA " 10578,12,"From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 47 alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >In article <1qk724INN474@hp-col.col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: >>I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like >>you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway), >>there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is >>ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual >>condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal - >>the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but >>there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it >>takes a while). >> >>If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter, >>why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw >>things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC >>on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when >>you ""need"" it. >> >Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me, >your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and >then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your >equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to >switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since, >as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line. >Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you >lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to >replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and >you've got to resync the AC in no time flat. That's a standby unit not a UPS, otherwise there would be no interuption. Many standby units are labled as UPS's though. Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu >Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that >AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to >be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already. >Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back >in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they >did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you >it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul >everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there. >. " 10579,12,"From: bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Bill Shymanski) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 41 kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes: > In article <734953838.AA00510@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.a > > > >If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, > >etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however > >for every other use you can buy a cheapie. > > My Beckman died a few days ago, thanks do about a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a > lab table. !@#!@$#!@$@#$ Probably not indicative of anything, but I've > already filled out the requisition for a Fluke 87. :-) > > Oh yeah, and sometimes our measurements here do count. Not often, but often > enough that I want at least _one_ good meter! > ---Joel Kolstad We used to buy Beckman 110 and HD110 (""ruggedized"") versions for use by electricians in the steel mill where I work. After a while we got round to filling all the current-input jacks with silicone - electricians have a regrettable habit of not checking where the last guy left the leads before using a 3 1/2 digit 0.5 % autoranging $400 meter to check if a fuse is good or not. Its very hard on meters (and electricians) when you put the milliamp shunt across a 600 volt bus. But that's not why we stopped buying Beckmans - after a while a lot of them got ""funny"" in the LCD display. A black stain would spread from one edge, or else they'd come adrift from those Zebra connectors and fail to operate. Now we buy Flukes, the low-end 20 series mostly ( and we still fill the amp jack with silicone). What the world needs is a meter that won't let you change ranges or turn it on/off with a lead stuck in the amps jack - a little bit of clever plastic detailing would take care of this and make the world safer for electricans, anyway. Not that I've ever put a meter on the wrong range into a live circuit, no, not me...not more than a dozen times, anyway.... Bill bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 " 10580,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Briefing by George Stephanopoulos 4.14.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 996 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 14, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS The Briefing Room 12:40 P.M. EDT MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I guess I'm just prepared to take questions today. Q George, Bob Dole says that the Clinton administration's policy on Bosnia is a failure and that he wants the United States to take the lead in lifting the arms embargo so that the Bosnian Muslims can defend themselves. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know, President Clinton has said that that suggestion is under active consideration. Obviously, this is a tragic situation in Bosnia. And if the Bosnian Serbs don't come to the negotiating table in a constructive way, we'll look seriously at pressing for lifting the arms embargo. In the meantime, we're going to continue to press for a tough sanctions resolution in the U.N. We're going to continue to work on the Serbs to come to the negotiating table. But the prospect of an arms embargo is something the President certainly will consider if the Serbs don't come to the table. Q How much longer are you going to give them to come to the table, George? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're working on that right now. Q It's been a long time. Q On February 19th, the President mentioned the value added tax in Ohio. And when he was asked about it later by reporters, he said -- quote -- ""That is a radical change in the tax system of the United States. It's something I think we may have to look at in the years ahead."" Questioned again about it later he says, ""It is not something that is now under consideration. If we start considering it, I'll tell you."" It wasn't a trial balloon or anything, he said. I was just discussing the tax response to a question. Donna Shalala, quoted in USA Today this morning -- quote - - ""Certainly we're looking at a VAT."" What's gone on? Q The same with Alice Rivlin this morning. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The health care task force is reviewing a number of options. They haven't made any decisions yet. And as I have said from this podium time and time again, we're not going to comment on decisions that haven't been made. Q But you have also said from this podium time and time again -- Q Wait a minute. Whoa, Nelly. Whoa. Q that that was not under consideration. Q Yes. Clinton says, ""It is not something that is now under consideration."" Is that no longer true? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I believe the working group, as Ms. Shalala says, has looked at this prospect, but no decisions have been made of any kind. Q Well, I know. But he said he'd tell us about it if it was ever under consideration. I take it that now he is and he didn't tell us about it or -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Did he say if it was under consideration or if it was something to be proposed? Q ""If we start considering I'll tell you."" MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: If it's something to be proposed? Q ""If we start considering it, I'll tell you."" That's a direct quote. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The task force has looked at a number of different options. They have not made any decisions yet. The President has not made any decisions yet. This is -- one of the proposals under consideration by the task force was to go out and cast as wide a net as possible for different ideas on how to reform the health care system. They have cast a very wide net. They have looked at hundreds of different proposals -- probably thousands of different proposals. But the President has not made any decisions. Q Well, is the President aware of their consideration of this option? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if he's been briefed on any preliminary conclusions or anything like that from the task force on this specific proposal of any kind. I don't know that that's gotten to his level. He started yesterday to go through with the task force a very wide range of decisions and I don't believe that that's been presented to him, no. Q Well, he's not relying on the USA Today to tell him what his task force is considering in the way of taxes. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, he's going through it in a very deliberate fashion. There are a number of decisions that have to be made. I don't know that this proposal has reached that decision- making point. Q If this is still under consideration, that's a change, at least from what we've been told by Dee Dee, I think about three weeks ago or so. She said, that is not an option, talking about the -- had a big argument with somebody over this, so I remember it specifically -- and said it not once, but twice. Is that not the case? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don't know if this has been presented to the President as something that is being looked at at some level in the task force. Q It was ruled it out, though. I mean, unlike other options that you've kept in the mix, this one specifically was ruled out. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, this is something that is being looked at, but no decision has been made of any kind. I mean, it doesn't -- it's not necessarily material until you get to the decision-making phase. The working groups are looking at hundreds of different options. Q If it was ruled out before and it's not ruled out now, then something has changed, George. Yes, no? Q When a guy says in February -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the working groups are looking at the widest possible range of options. Q So something's changed. They weren't looking at it before; they're looking at it now. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I don't know if the working groups have gotten to that point yet. They are casting a very wide net. Q How was it possible that you and Dee Dee were able to sell -- definitively rule it out as an option previously and now are saying that, in fact, it is being considered? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, the working groups are looking at a wide range of options. They have not -- Q Do you deny that you and Dee Dee ruled it -- flatly ruled it out on several occasions in the past month? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't deny that -- I mean, those are the President's words. Those are very clear. Q Subsequent to the President's words, do you deny that within the last month you and Dee Dee have both publicly ruled it out? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about the timing. I think what we did was refer back to the President's words and say they stand. Q So don't they stand any longer? Q March 25th, Clinton said for the next four to five years it was ruled out. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, those words -- the President did say that in February. The working groups are on a separate track, and as I said, I don't believe -- Q Separate from the President? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't believe this has been presented to the President. Q Are they considering something that the President -- Q Has ruled out? Q has ruled out? I mean, will the President consider a VAT tax? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, the working groups have not presented this to the President. They have looked at a wide range of options. I suppose that if an argument is made, he will clearly listen to it. That does not mean he has decided to do it. Q Can we put this another way? In his answer in Ohio, he looked at the VAT in terms of restructuring the whole tax system. Under those -- that was the circumstance that he said it might be considered at some future point. Is that no longer the case, or is that the only way that he can see a VAT emerging? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Q He talked about the VAT in the context of a restructured tax system, not as a specific way to finance health care, for example. Q Or anything else. Q Or anything else. Q It was always in the context of substituting for other taxes at a time of a dramatic overhaul of the whole tax system. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right. Q Has that change, too? Q Is that still his view? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I haven't spoken about those specific comments. I think -- I can just go back to it -- are the working groups -- have they examined the possibility of a VAT? Yes, they have. Q Certainly we're looking at a VAT, she said. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They have examined the possibility of a VAT. Has it been presented to the President? Has he made a decision? No, he has not. Q What kind of a deal do you have when you've got the President's appointed task force, obviously not oblivious to his ruling something out except in the context of some huge down the line reform, goes ahead on its own and considers a tax which he has specifically ruled out in any context other than much later, and then goes ahead and announces that that's what they're looking at? Is the President concerned about that sort of thing? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that the President's concern is to make sure he gets the best health care proposal possible. He's concerned with making sure that they have the most thorough process for examining all the possible alternatives, all the different alternatives. If a decision is made to go forward with something like that it's certainly something the President will explain and justify. But no decision has been made along those lines. Q What does it mean exactly, though, when the President rules something out? Does it mean it can get back on the table later if a more persuasive argument is made? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's just -- that's indisputably true. If you -- but, at the same time, he has not ruled it in. He has not made a proposal. Q What makes him open to it now when he wasn't open to it before? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's certainly willing to listen to the argument. Q Was he willing to listen to the argument for a short-term tax this year, and he wasn't willing to listen to it in Chilicothe? He's now open to it -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The context of his comments was that it was not something -- he wanted to be clear that this is not something he was proposing, not something he was floating. Q Not something he was considering. Those are his words -- ""It's not something that's now under consideration. If we start considering it, I'll tell you."" You're now acknowledging, are you not, that it is under consideration and -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm acknowledging that the task force has studied this proposal. I am also stating that the President has not made a decision on it. Q But the door is open for the President to reconsider including this as part of -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Obviously, the working groups are looking at it. Again, but the President has not made a decision. Q Do you know if they will make a presentation on behalf of the VAT to him? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know that. I assume that if -- I don't know what stage they are it in proposing. I don't know that they're going to make the conclusion that this is something they should present to him. I know this is something the working groups are looking at. Q Do you understand, George, that none of us are asking these questions in context of a decision that the President has made, only about what the President is considering? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I understand that, and I am acknowledging that the working groups have examined the issue of a VAT. Q And the President will consider it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I assume that he will consider the argument if it is presented to him. Q Does that mean the President -- that working groups think that when the President says no, he means maybe? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that means that the working groups are trying to do the most thorough job possible. Q George, can I ask you another question about Bosnia? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sure. (Laughter.) Q No, he wants us to stay on this. Q Let's do gays in the military. (Laughter.) Q No, he got out of that swamp. Q I think we've gotten the bottom line on that VAT. Reggie Bartholomew, your Special Ambassador in Belgrade, today said that if the Serbs do not accept the agreement that has been worked out -- quote -- ""We will do our part to pursue the lifting of the arms embargo together with our allies."" That seems to go a bit further than what you've just said -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sounds almost exactly what I just said. Q Well, do you accept -- in other words, you accept what Reggie -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the President has said that this is something that's under consideration. It is something he will consider if the current actions don't bring the Serbs to the table. Q Isn't there some kind of timetable here? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, there is a timetable. There's going to be a vote on the U.N. resolution in about 10 days. Q That's on sanctions, that's on tightening the sanctions. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's right, that's sanctions. And we believe that that will ratchet up the pressure, and we hope that that will bring the Serbs to the table. As you know, Mr. Bartholomew also met with Mr. Churkin of Russia, and they are also working on ways to bring the Serbs to the table. We will continue to pressure them in many different ways and this is one possible option as well. Q The question is whether there's a timetable for consideration or a vote on a decision on lifting the arms embargo, not the sanctions. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The next vote in the U.N. is on sanctions. As far as I know, there are no votes scheduled on lifting the arms embargo. But it is something that we have discussed both internally and with our allies. Q Why did Reggie Bartholomew tell the Serbs that the U.S. would do that? What was the point of his telling them that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, clearly, I mean, this is something that's under consideration, and this is something that we take quite seriously if they do not come to the table. They should know the consequences of failing to come to the table. Q Have they been given a deadline? Q Warren Christopher has been saying the same thing and it hasn't seemed to change the Serbs' behavior in the least. Why should the Serbs take any heed of a threat to lift the arms embargo when so far everything that's been done has had no effect on the fighting in Bosnia? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I just don't accept the premise of your question. It has had an effect; the embargo is having an effect. Q What effect? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: If the Serbians choose not to heed our warnings, then they will face the consequences. Q What effect has it had in Bosnia? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the effect that it has had on the Serbians, it has tightened up -- they are not getting their shipments through. We can brief more fully -- Q In Bosnia, George. In Bosnia what effect has it had? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, it's hard to say if it's stopped the aggression to date. That is why we're continuing to press for the Serbians to stop. But we believe that over time we will continue to weaken the Serbs and that will have an effect. I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight; it clearly hasn't happened overnight. But we believe that over time the sanctions can weaken the Serbs. If it fails to work and if the Serbs fail to come to the negotiating table, we'll move forward with the embargo. Q Isn't there a working deadline, George, of the 24th -- the same date as the U.N. -- the scheduled U.N. vote? Hasn't the United States said, along with many of the other NATO allies, that if the Serbs aren't willing to sign on to the peace accord by then, that we'll seek -- haven't we said that we will seek -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We've said continually we're going to -- Q But on that deadline? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't have a specific date, but we're going to move forward with the resolution, the U.N. resolution, by around that time. And if that fails to take effect, if that fails to bring the Serbs to the table, we will clearly consider other actions. Q Isn't this awfully incremental? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're taking a step-by-step approach. We're ratcheting up the pressure and we're going to continue to do that. Q Is there a possibility, George, that by the time all these incremental steps are taken the Serbs will have achieved their goals and then what's the purpose? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the purpose is to get the Serbs to stop the aggression. We are pursuing that goal on many different fronts. We are pursuing it through the U.N.; we're pursuing it through direct talks; we are pursuing it through tightening the sanctions. And we will consider lifting the arms embargo. We are turning the screws up on the Serbs and we will continue to do that. Q But if the efforts have been unsuccessful in getting the Serbs to stop the aggression how effective will any campaign be to have the Serbs give back what they've gained? I mean, once they're entrenched -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't speculate on that. We're going to continue to press for them to come to the table now. We're going to continue to find ways to stop the aggression. But I can't see into the future. Q George, on the stimulus package, House Republicans say they're going to hold a series of town meetings on Saturday to try and explain the details of your package. They cite polls which show that the more people learn about it, the less they like it. What's your strategy to counter that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The strategy we have is the one we're going to continue. As you saw, the President today pointed up the very real benefits of the summer jobs program that this package will provide: 700,000 new summer jobs this summer for kids in inner cities and suburbs to do productive work. We are also going to point out the benefits of the highway money, the investments in highways. We're going to point up the benefits of immunization. We're going to point up the benefits of Head Start. We are going to say that the Republicans have a choice: they can take action to create jobs or they can perpetuate the gridlock of the last four years. Q Does it concern you, though, that the House now, the House Republicans are after you as well as the Senate? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The House Republicans voted against it before. They made a mistake then; they're making a mistake now. Q George, does it strike anybody in the administration that it's a bit strong to describe, as the President did this morning, the summer jobs program as -- quote -- ""a reaffirmation of a promise of America""? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not at all. I think it's the promise of America to give kids a chance to reach their full potential. Q Government-funded jobs? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: To give people a chance to work? Absolutely. That is the promise of America. Q I want to follow up on something I asked yesterday -- where does 700,000 summer jobs, where does that figure come from? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That is on top of. I did look at it. There are currently 600,000 summer jobs in the pipeline. This will be on top of the 600,000, so it will be a total of 1.3 million. Q The 700,000 would be created by the stimulus package? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Where does that number come from? Because we've been told all along that the stimulus package would create 500,000 new jobs. And according to Panetta, that breaks down to something like 200,000 full-time jobs and 150,000 summer jobs. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, but the summer -- that's when you do their full-time equivalence. I mean, 700,000 individuals will receive jobs this summer. When you calculate it for the full-time job effect, you have to do -- I don't know what the exact formula is. Q Seven hundred thousand part-time jobs -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: -- 150,000 or -- Q One to four because it's three months. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Thank you. Q Can I follow up on that? Did the President misspeak this morning when he said that some of the government money for these summer jobs will pay for private -- for kids to work in the private sector? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not necessarily. I mean, I think that there will be grants available. That's one of the ways that you pay for the jobs. At the same time, he's also issued a challenge to the private sector to hire kids on their own as well. Q Tax dollars, for instance, would pay for kids to work at Time-Warner? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the Time-Warner is actually somebody coming forward and actually doing a grant. That's going to be the bulk of it. There could be isolated instances, though, where there would be grants to businesses. Q Has the President spoken with any Senate Republicans this week? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, but there's been a lot of contact with Senate Republicans in the White House. Q At a lower level. But the President hasn't? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has not, no. Q Getting any closer to get the votes? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're continuing to work on it. Q Anybody leaning your way? Q On Haiti, The New York Times seems to be reporting something of a breakthrough in Aristide's attitude towards the coup leaders. Can you confirm that there has been this change, and what impact will it have on the process? And what did Pezzullo have to say yesterday in his report? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Pezzullo did brief the principals. I can't confirm what's actually happening in the talks. I would leave that to the negotiators themselves. But Mr. Caputo has returned to Haiti. We have received a briefing here at the White House from Ambassador Pezzullo. And as we have said time and time again, we believe that assurances of security are important to a final resolution to a broader political settlement. Q George, yesterday you offered some selective breakdowns of how the stimulus would impact some states and cities. Can we get a complete breakdown by state of how these jobs would be impacted? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we have it for most states, yes. And I think we can get it out. Q Could you make that generally available? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I believe we can. Q And could you do it by the component of the stimulus? In other words -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if we can do -- I know that we can do it by summer jobs and other jobs. I don't know how deeply it can be broken down. But clearly, we can break it down into summer jobs and other jobs. Q And can I follow up? Is this the information that Jeff Eller and the rest of the White House is using in the ads in the states? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if they're ads, but they're press releases. Q Can you describe what those press releases contain? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: All we're doing is pointing out the benefits of this package to various states. For instance, I know that today Senator Dole is heading up to Vermont and New Hampshire. And I would point out that the stimulus package, the jobs package creates 1,000 jobs in Vermont. It creates 2,000 jobs in New Hampshire. And the people of those states should remind him that this is important. Q Where are the releases going? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They go to the states. Q To whom? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We can get them. It's no problem. Q Can we get it? Q Why don't you put them out here as well? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we can. Q This afternoon? Would that be possible? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'll have to check. I don't know. But as soon as we can. Q Are you focusing these press releases on states where there are moderate or pragmatic Republican senators? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we're trying to get as many as we can. It's actually quite difficult to pull this together and we're doing our best. We're putting them out as we get them. Q Why are you so closely tracking Senator Dole's schedule? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I was just following it. Q Are press releases going along to states where he's visiting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure. I think that probably there are press releases going to Vermont. (Laughter.) Q Will there be a man in a chicken suit waiting? (Laughter.) Q George, as the President goes about the business of defending what's in his stimulus package, he doesn't address what seems to be the Republicans' main point, that you're funding it with deficit spending rather than ""if it's so important, why not come up with the funding for it"" seems to be the Republican argument. And how do you answer that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: What was answer is, we are paying for it over time. And if you look at our budget, we pay for this package over time. We believe right now the economy needs a jump- start for jobs. Q You're not claiming, are you, that that doesn't add to the deficit this year? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm saying we're paying for it over time. I didn't say that. Q I know that, George. But I mean, from the beginning, the question -- we do have annual budgets and things -- deficit spending will pay for that this year, will it not? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: This year they clearly will. But over time our budget fully pays for this program. Q What you're saying is that there are savings that would cover this if it were this year in future years? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Absolutely. That's exactly what I said. Q I know that, but there is going to be outstanding debt, it will add to the national debt from this year -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, we're reducing the deficit by $500 billion -- $514 billion over the next four years. Q You mean you're reducing it below what it would have been? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Exactly. Q In fact, you're adding a very large amount to the national debt over the period of -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But we're reducing it far more from what it would have been. That's true. Q Washington-type reduction. (Laughter.) Q You're getting to be a grumpy old man. Q George, has any decision been made about the White House or the President's participation in the gay rights march coming up in a week and a half? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're working on the President's schedule now. I believe he's going to be at the Senate Democratic retreat in Jamestown that weekend. Q Will he address it by phone? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about that. It's a little far out, but I believe he's going to be in the Senate retreat. Q So will he have the leaders in a day or two before the speech? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know. I would expect that at some point he would meet with the leaders of some of these groups. I don't know the schedule on it, though. Q Will there be an AIDS czar appointed prior to or in conjunction with the event? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm just not sure. Q April 22nd is Earth Day. What is the President going to do to mark that, and is it the case that he is going to sign the biodiversity treaty that day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I know there's been some work on the biodiversity treaty. I don't know about signing it that day, but I would expect he'll have a statement on Earth Day or right around then. Q Where is the work on the biodiversity treaty? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'd have to check with Katie McGinty. I just know that there's been some work done, but I don't know exactly what. Q When is Earth Day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The 22nd, I think. Q Why is it you know that he is going to have a statement on Earth Day but you don't know if he's going to have a statement on the gay rights march? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I said I don't know if he's going to meet or when he's going to meet. Q Do you have a statement on the gay rights march? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't, actually, no. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, though. Q Do you have some details on the Miyazawa visit? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's a working visit on Friday and the President is looking forward to that in discussing a number of issues including Russian aid and the Japanese stimulus package and the trade issues between the two countries. Q There was some expectations that a second aid package to Russia was going to be unveiled at the G-7 meeting and, if I understand, it hasn't happened. Why is that or what's the status on that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The G-7 meeting is still going on and, as you know, Secretaries Bentsen and Christopher have talked about the outlines of a possible package. But we're going to continue to consult with Congress and our G-7 allies on that. Q? We will not then make any kind of announcement during the two-day meeting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The meeting's not over yet. Q Is that when you're going to make one? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not ruling out the possibility. Q the President's going to announce it tomorrow. Q Bentsen said that. Q Yes, Bentsen said it would be tomorrow. Q So did Christopher. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'd have to look at that, but I believe it is more likely that the announcement will come out of Tokyo. Q George, has there been further consideration here about going to -- sending the President out to Los Angeles? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know that there's -- it's not something we've ruled out. We don't have a date set for it. Q George, you all have a position or do you support Immigration's plan to settle 4,000 Iraqi prisoners in the United States? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's the first I've heard of it. Q George, there was a report today about the -- Q Fortunately. (Laughter.) Q about the pace of appointments and says that President Clinton is behind President Bush in the number of positions that people have been nominated for. Are you going to speed up the pace of nominations or where do you stand with it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We filled 814 of the President's appointments. And it's broken down -- we have 384 Schedule C; 147 noncareer SES; 213 PAS full-time. I'm not sure what that means -- (laughter) -- 70 PA full-time. And this is about the same -- it's about the same pace of President Bush. Obviously, as you move along farther, once you -- each level of appointment actually has a multiplier effect and frees up far more appointments. So we expect the process to speed up. But we're at the pace of Bush. Obviously we'd like to get these done as quickly as possible. I would point out that the FBI background checks and the background check is far more comprehensive and it takes more time than our predecessors, and that is part of the holdup. But we're working on it. Q Is that because of Nannygate? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that's an awful big part of it, yes. Q In the story this morning, you were at approximately the same pace as Bush in making appointments, but way behind in winning confirmations. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's where the background checks comes into play. That's the problem. Q That's the background checks problem? Because I mean, you have a Democratic Senate -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, that's not the -- you make the appointments, and then it takes quite a bit of time to fill out all the forms and have the background checks done. That's exactly where the problem is. Q What's the President doing this afternoon, and what's on the plan for tomorrow? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's got some meetings -- just office meetings this afternoon for the most part, on a variety of issues that -- probably a half-dozen different issues. And then he'll be -- tomorrow we'll have an event, probably again focused on the stimulus and jobs package out of here at the White House. And Friday is the Miyazawa meeting. Q Will you be releasing his tax return tomorrow, George? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Either tomorrow or Friday. Q Is there going to be a pre-briefing regarding the Japanese Prime Minister's visit tomorrow? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about tomorrow, but we'll probably get something done, as we usually do, for these visits. Q Was Reverend Jackson here this morning and do you know what that was about? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He was here. He met with a group of us here at the White House, including Mack McLarty. Q Who? Q Reverend Jackson. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Reverend Jackson. Mack McLarty, me, Gene Sperling, Bruce Reed, Jeff Watson, Mark Gearan. Q Talking about Haiti? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We talked about general urban policy. He is about to go to Los Angeles. He was just back from Mississippi, where we had a good victory last night; and he's going on to Los Angeles. Q Did he request the meeting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Actually, no. He's in continual contact with the President. He had written a letter on a variety of issues, and so we asked him to come in and talk about it. Q George, Dole is having a fundraiser for Jeffords tonight in Vermont. Have you guys been in contact with Jeffords at all on this? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think there's been some contact, sure. Q Can you tell us about the contacts? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure -- Q Do you know who contacted him or what was said? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I know that Howard Paster talked to him and they just has a general talk about the package. Q And did he express his support for it now, or is he -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't divulge the details of the conversation, but there have been conversations. Q The L.A. Times is reporting that abortion -- elective abortions is likely to be included in the basic health care package. Is this something the President is considering? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again -- Q Along with the VAT? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's certainly something that's been looked at, but no decisions have been made. Q What was the question? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The L.A. Times story on whether abortions will be covered by the President's health plan. Q Did the President in his meeting -- did you in your meeting with Reverend Jackson ask his advice, solicit his advice about what kind of stance the White House should take in the wake of the verdict in L.A.? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, we certainly talked about the situation in Los Angeles and the long-term prospects for economic development and other issues. Q For instance, did you discuss whether it would be helpful for the President to go there or not? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, we discussed a wide range of issues related to Los Angeles. That was certainly one of them. Q Letting you perhaps go out on the way you came in, I need to go back to Bosnia just for a second and ask -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, good. Q your reaction to Margaret Thatcher's comments that you're just sitting by and watching a massacre. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, we've been pushing very hard on a number of fronts for more aggressive action. We will continue to do that. Q Can you tell us if you've made any progress in your talks on the stimulus package getting a compromise? I mean, we don't have any feel except talks are ongoing. Have you talked to like 20 people or -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know the numbers. We've talked to several people and we've had wide-ranging sessions. Q Anyone leaning your way? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't get into that. We're just going to keep working through Tuesday. THE PRESS: Thank you. END 1:10 P.M. EDT #56-04/14 " 10581,16,"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 97 In article <1r21vqINNeb8@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) >writes: >> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De >Arras) writes: >> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) >> >writes: >> >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come >> >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and >> >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear >gassed. >> >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to >> >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. >> >> >> > >> >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. >> >> Unworthy of comment. > >But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course. So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-) >> >Humans died >> >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the >> >actions >> >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them. >> >> Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. >> That is undeniable truth. > >No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the >gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this as >the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not ""undeniable"" that if >they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today. You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff. And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days. >> My heart bleeds just as much as yours for >> the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities >> to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion >> to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up >> and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. > >My heart ""bleeds"" for no one. You are the ""bleeding heart"". And I'm sure >beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You >can not say the heartless things you have said if you did. I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense. You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless to me. I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me sad and sick. >> >You seem to say >> >they got what they deserved. >> >> I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in >> more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they >> wanted and put into motion themselves. > >""they got what they wanted"". What kind of creature are you that you can >believe this? Have you ever heard of Jonestown? The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as last year. >> I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely >> by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair >> from the start. > >We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too. By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too. BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-) >> >Jim >> >-- >> >jmd@handheld.com >> -- " 10582,6,"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) Subject: Need APARTMENT/ROOM in BOSTON Lines: 10 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 10 I will be in Boston (Cambridge specifically) working this summer and am in need of a place to stay. If you have a room to sublease, or anything of the sort I would appreciate a mail. I am a 20-year old white male and am very flexible. I can adapt to a smoking or non-smoking environment. Access to the 'T' would be nice, though I will have a car thus need a parking space. I would need this from late May or early June until aproximately end of July. Any responses welcome. _Mike_ mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu " 10583,17,"From: 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.maths.unsw.edu.au Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW Lines: 101 In article <1993Apr16.085717@IASTATE.EDU> tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau >Napoleon) writes: >> From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T >Atan): >> > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks >> > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to >> > believe for somebody trying to be objective. >> > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot >> > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. >> > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? >> > Do you think it was your right to be there? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've heard many Turks say this and it surpises me that they don't read about it.Remember the Treaty of Sevres-as a consequence of being in the Axis powers in WWI.The Turks UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW were supposed to look after their minorities ie. Greeks,Armenians,Kurds(I must say Turk-Kurd relations are improving slightly with time) and not pose a threat to Turkey's neighbours. The Turks blatantly rejected this treaty(the Germans grudgingly accepted Versailles which was a million times worse for the health and pride of the German people).The Greeks who had an army there,were there with BRITISH and FRENCH backing to enforce Sevres. In possibly the first example of appeasement the Young Turk government managed screwed the Treaty of Laussane out of the weak allies,this was after the Greek forces were were destroyed at Smyrna.When this occurred incidently, FRENCH warships were in the harbour and many Greeks trying escape swam to the FRENCH warships and climbed aboard only to get their arms cut off by the FRENCH as they clawed they're way up the sides of the ships. Libertae,egalitae,fraternatae. >> >> There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. >> Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? >> >> > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only >> > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. >> > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. >> > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the >> > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it >> > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. >> > >> Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in >> Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial >> waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of >> Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. >> >> There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. >> >> >> > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated >> > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person >> > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is >> > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals >> > why the hatred? >> >> Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or >> indirecly is a ""bad"" person. >> It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the >> actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". >> People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you >> are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and >> as a such you must pay the price. >> >> > So that makes me think that there is some kind of >> > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person >> > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your >> > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish >> > encounters during your schooling. >> > take it easy! >> > >> > -- >> > Tankut Atan >> > tankut@iastate.edu >> > >> > ""Achtung, baby!"" >> >> You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to >> Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under >> Turkish occupation. >> They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. >> >> You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from >> people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. >> >> Napoleon > > >Well, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace >on the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked >at the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit >throughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue, >filled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this? >Forget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue. > > >-- >Tankut Atan >tankut@iastate.edu > >""Achtung, baby!"" " 10584,7,"From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile Nntp-Posting-Host: elba Organization: Progress Software Corp. Lines: 19 rwong@eis.calstate.edu (Russel Wong) writes: >Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry >Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is >partially responsible for all of the car accidents Ya, he cut me off on 128 the other day, he drives like a crazy person. I'd have to say he's responsible for most accidents, they really should pull his licence. -Steve 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 Alan Kulwicki 1992 Winston Cup Champion 1954 - 1993 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 " 10585,6,"From: thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) Subject: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Expires: April 30, 1993 Lines: 102 In article you write: >[stuff deleted] > >My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for ^^^^^^^^^^ >one time use by the major software companies. The method you are using to >""seed"" your junk mail, isn't really effective. Bulk mailers regulary >either send their databases to be ""cleaned"" by the NCOA, which if you've >moved recently, will revert back to the original ""xxx Cool"", and in large >mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the >others for future mailings. > >BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of >a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks. > !!!! !!!!! !!!! >TEd It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to use the net to directly advertise their products. In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list used for generating junk mail. Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be done to penalize such an improper use? Dale Thompson " 10586,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr14.132813.16343@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > Anyhow, on the basis of the apparent success of Islamic banks, it seems > to me that the statement that a zero-interest economy cannot survive in > today's world may be a bit premature. I'm sure zero-intested economical systems survive on a small-scale, co-ops is not an Islamic invention, and we have co-operatives working all around the world. However such systems don't stand the corruption of a large scale operation. Actually, nothing could handle human greed, IMHO. Not even Allah :-). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 10587,19,From: xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Oryx Energy Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: what.oryx.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out : the rest the hard way. : Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. 10588,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics. > Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask > any assembly programmer.) Tail-recursive functions in Scheme are at least as efficient as iterative loops. Anyone who doesn't program in assembler will have heard of optimizing compilers. mathew " 10589,11,"From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Computing Research Lab Lines: 7 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: lole.nmsu.edu In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:19:06 GMT nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has been in the works for some time. " 10590,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Background BRiefing in Vancouver 4.4.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 993 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Vancouver, British Columbia) ______________________________________________________________ BACKGROUND BRIEFING BY SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS April 4, 1993 Canada Place Vancouver, British Columbia 9:40 A.M. PST Folks, we're about to start the BACKGROUND BRIEFING on the aid package. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Good morning. The President -- President Clinton and President Yeltsin agreed yesterday on a series of American initiatives to support economic and political reform in Russia, and it's valued at $1.6 billion. Before taking your questions and running through the basic outlines of this package, I want to make a few points. First, this is the maximum that the Clinton administration can do with available funds to support Russian reform. All of the funds have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. There is no need for the administration to go back to the Congress to fund any of these programs. All our Fiscal Year '93 funds currently are available, so in effect, all of these programs can begin tomorrow. The second point is that this package is designed to support Russian reformers. All of the initiatives in the package are directed at reformers and for their benefit, and all have been worked out with prior consultation with the Russian government. Third, the President is determined that we will deliver on these commitments this year. The package is designed to maximize our ability to support reform. In designing it we wanted to avoid making commitments that we could not meet, and we feel very confident that we can meet all of these commitments in front of you. Fourth, I'd like to note the special importance of trade and investment. I think it's fair to say that Russia's capital and technology needs throughout the next decade extend well into the hundreds of billions of dollars. No collection of governments can meet those needs; only the private sector can do so. And so the President and President Yeltsin agreed to make trade and investment a major priority in the relationship. They also agreed that there would be a new joint commission on energy and space formed, headed on the U.S. side by Vice President Gore; on the Russian side by Prime Minister Chernomyrdin. And the goal of this effort is to break through the barriers to trade and investment on both sides and to promote a vastly expanded relationship. If it would be helpful I'd be prepared to run down the first page, which is a summary of U.S. assistance, and just give you some general background on what these programs are. I'll do it quickly and then I'll be glad to take questions. The first group of initiatives are humanitarian food and medical assistance. This is part of our effort which has been underway for several years to provide basic humanitarian grant food assistance so that the Russian government can assure there's at least a minimal amount of bread on the shelves in the major cities. That's $194 million in grant -- that is from Food for Progress, the grant portion of Food for Progress. We'll also be continuing our grant assistance in medicines and pharmaceutical supplies, and that's $30 million. The second item is concessional food sales. As you know, the United States has had a long-term grain relationship with Russia. It's important to us and it's important to Russia that we continue that relationship. The President has chosen the Food for Progress program which is a concessional loan program. The value over the next seven months is $700 million. These are concessional terms. The exact terms have not been worked out, but I think it's fair to say there will be a grace period on principal of six or seven years, and concessional rates thereafter for the life of the deal. The third program is a collection of private sector support. We think this is one of the most important things we're going to do. Privatization and the creation of small businesses is the number one priority of the reform government in Moscow. And so the President has decided to create a Russian-American enterprise fund capitalized this year at $50 million. And the goal of this fund is to make direct loans to small businesses in Russia, to take equity positions in those businesses. The President has also decided to create a privatization fund which would work directly with the Russian government in its priority objective of trying to convert state enterprises from a state-owned basis to a private basis. He has also agreed -- the President has also agreed to establish a Eurasia foundation. This would be a private foundation led by prominent Americans to fund democratization projects in Russia. The fourth grouping you see there in the summary page is democratization itself. I think it's fair to say that this administration has given a new impetus to the goal of pursuing democratization in Russia. You see that we have a total of $48 million in programs, various programs. The detailed tables give an indication of some of the programs that we're launching. The President is also calling for the development of a democracy corps, which will be an overarching umbrella group to try to incorporate all of the disparate private and public efforts now underway from the United States to support reform in Russia. The fifth program you see is Russian office of resettlement. This is a new initiative created and conceptualized by this administration. This is a demonstration project. What we'd like to do is work with the Russian military to help resettle Russian officers returning from the Baltic states and other parts of the former Soviet Union. We want to make sure that we work out the best way to do that, whether it's with Russian labor and Russian materials or using prefab American construction. And so we've decided to fund on a demonstration basis the construction of 450 housing units. We'll be working very closely with the Russian military on this. And I would say that we have a long-term commitment to this project. The sixth area is energy in the environment. They are two issues that the President feels strongly about. Our initial efforts will be feasibility studies to look into the possibility of enhancing their energy production, both oil and gas; and equally important trying to cut down on the leakages in the oil and gas pipeline systems, which cause so much environmental damage. I've talked a little bit about trade and investment, about the new group being created that the Vice President will chair on our side. Secretary Ron Brown will also be cochairing with Deputy Prime Minister Shohkin, a business development committee, which will work in all other sectors of the economy, to break down the many barriers that currently exist and impede trade and investment. We are also going to appoint a full-time investment ombudsman in the American government to work on this problem full-time. And the point I'd like to make here is, trade and investment in the 1990s is every bit as important, to draw an analogy, as arms reductions was in the '70s and '80s. And we just thought that in looking at this we needed to make a commitment within our own government to have people work on it -- senior people on a full-time basis, because it is terribly important. You'll notice that the United States is going to support Russia's membership in the GATT. Russia has had observer status. Russia has requested our support and, in fact, requested our advice in becoming a member of the GATT. We think that the long-term goal of drawing Russia into the global economy is paramount, a very important goal. And that is why we are supporting the membership in the GATT. We are also supporting their access to GSP, the Generalized System of Preferences. You'll note that Ex-Im has extended $82 million in credit for a caterpillar deal in Siberia, that OPIC has extended $150 million in credits and loan guarantees for a Conoco oil project. I'd like to emphasize that we are very close to an agreement between Russia and the United States for a $2-billion framework facility through the Ex-Im Bank that would finance Russian purchases of American oil and gas equipment and services. We think this is a very important development. We think we'll get there by April 14th, which is the opening day of the Tokyo conference, the G-7 conference. Before I take any further questions, I'd like to defer to my colleague, who will review the security assistance objectives with you. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Our major unfinished agenda with the Russians and with their counterparts in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus is in the area of the safe and secure dismantlement of the nuclear arsenals on their territory under the terms of the START I and START II agreements. Recently we completed in Moscow three, I think, very important agreements that devote a significant chunk of Nunn-Lugar funding to three important programs. The first is the program of $130 million for the strategic nuclear delivery vehicle dismantlement program. That is for submarines, for ICBM dismantlement and for bomber dismantlement -- $130 million. The second is a $75 million tranche of funding for the construction of a facility to store nuclear materials removed from the warheads as they are dismantled. This will essentially contribute to the overall design and the early phases of the construction of that storage facility. And finally, a $10-million tranche of money to help in the establishment of a monitoring system for the nuclear materials as they are withdrawn from the weapons system. So we add that $215-million total to the extant Nunn-Lugar assistance which has been flowing -- about $150 million for some overall safety improvements for various kinds of equipment and safety measures that we have been working out with the Russians over the last couple of years. So this is an area where we will be going a lot more work with not only the Russians but with the Ukrainians, Kazhaks, and Belarussians. Belarus, for example, has just, in the last couple of weeks, received up to $65 million in FY'93 funds for safety, security and dismantlement programs on Belarussian territory. And this was in the wake of their ratification of START I, an agreement to accede to NPT. So we are working very hard with all the parties to the Lisbon protocols, and will continue to work very hard with them. And I look upon these three recent agreements with Russia as a very important step in that process. Q The OPIC funds to -- is that for the field in Kazhakstan -- and Conoco already signed this deal with Kazhakstan. Why do you feel now it is necessary -- if it's the same one, why do you feel it's necessary? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: It's not the same deal. Chevron signed a deal with Kazhakstan, the Tenges oil field. This is a new investment project. It's a polar lights oil development and renovation project, and it's being announced today. So it's completely new. Q Can you tell us more about what's involved? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes. Conoco, like other American oil companies has been searching for ways to do two things. One, to prospect for new oil in Siberia, west Siberia; and two, to try to get into the business of renovating oil wells and renovating pipelines, both oil and gas, in Russia. The objective here, obviously, is to take advantage of the natural resources in Russia, increase energy production, which will, in turn, increase hard currency revenues, which is what Russia needs. So we think this deal is very, very good development for Russia. The Russians do as well, and it's good for an American company. And the American government has played a leading role in pulling this together through the credit facility in OPIC and through the loan guarantee. Q So it's to search and also to renovate fields that are already there? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right. Q On that point, should other American companies expect to get administration support for such deals, or should they now go to the Ex-Im and try to get the money out of the $2 billion? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as you know, Ex-Im is part of the U.S. government and various parts of the U.S. government have been pushing, including the State Department and the White House for this deal to be consummated. And we think it will. And if we arrive at this agreement by April 14th, there will be $2 billion in financing available for American companies to sell their equipment and sell their services. Q That should take up all of the rest of the deals and their won't be -- and their will or there won't be support for OPIC sort of deals such as this Conoco? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a tremendous amount of interest on the part of American oil and gas companies to invest in Russia. We think that the Ex-Im oil and gas facility, the $2-billion facility, once it is concluded, will soak up a lot of that interest. But I think the interest may even extend beyond that. And if so, the government will respond. Q What's the current year budget costs of that $2-billion agreement should it go forward? And is there any current year budget costs -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I'll have to refer you to Ex-Im for that. I don't know the details of that. Q The concessional food sales -- is there any current year costs to that, or is it delayed until the years in which the payments are due? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The concessional food sales are from Food for Progress, which is a USDA program. USDA has the funds, we don't need to go back to the Congress to expend those funds. There will be a hit in the budget. I'd refer you to USDA and OMB for the details on that. Q Can you talk about the Democracy Corps? Q and the private sector -- how many folks are going to be involved in that? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Why don't I start with the Democracy Corps first. I think the administration felt coming into office that there were literally thousands of organization, private organizations in the United States that in one way or another were working at the goal of trying to achieve democratization in Russia, helping on a farmer-to-farmer basis. And there were literally 10 or 15 U.S. government agencies that had a variety of programs in this area. And so the administration felt -- the President felt it was important to try to draw all of these initiatives together under one group to give some coherence to the efforts and to give some impetus to the efforts. And so this is a presidential initiative. It will be headed by Ambassador Tom Simons who will soon take up his duties as the coordinator for U.S. assistance in the former Soviet Union. And we're very hopeful that we might use this Democracy Corps not only to draw upon the resources of our own government, but the resources of the American private sector and schools and communities across the nation. Q any kind of commitment yet, any kind of word yet on FY'94, and any new money that needs to be appropriated besides the $300 million the President talked about? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The administration is requesting additional funds in FY'94 of $700 million. What the President has done this weekend is to consult really intensively yesterday with President Yeltsin about additional measures the United States could take in some of these areas to support reform. He'll be consulting with the Congress. When he returns to Washington, he'll be consulting also with the other ally governments, and we'll make a decision at that time. Q Two questions about the $700 billion agricultural money. First of all, I thought it was the sort of consensus that what Russia did not need was more loans for food. So why did you decide to do it that way? Secondly, could you explain -- agriculture has been stopped from making further loans for food because of Russia's inability to pay. How does this fit into that situation? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As you know, the United States for a long time has been a major supplier of grains and food commodities, agricultural products to Russia. I think between 1991 and '92 we had extended -- a little bit of history here -- about $5.5 billion in credits, credit guarantees, through the Commodity Credit Corporation. That was the principal vehicle to ensure the sale of American grain products. On December 1 of last year, '92, the Russian government stopped its payments on that program. They are now in arrears to us on that program, and therefore, by law, the United States cannot continue that program. And so the President, working with Secretary Espy and other officials in the Cabinet, looked for other ways that we could promote American grain sales. And I think we have two ways to do that. We've announced today $194 million in grant food assistance through the Food for Progress program. But we do not have sufficient authority to spend $700 million in grant food, and so we looked for a concessional loan program. I think everybody agrees that Russia -- that a short-term loan program for Russia would not make sense now, but a long-term concessional loan program would. And that is what this program is. It will provide, once the final details are worked out, for a six to seven-year grace period on payments of principal. And then from years seven through 15, which is the life of the deal, it will provide for concessional rates of interest -- generally around three to four percent. And so we believe and the Russian government believes this is a good deal for them because it will avoid the imperative of early payments and put them into the out years, but it will also continue this very important grain relationship, which is important for them, and it's important for the American farm community. Q I gather from what you say that this could make it explicit -- the Russians' failure to pay the interest on ECC loan does not in any way affect this kind of loan going through, is that right? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Let me be explicit about that. We are prevented under the law to from continuing the Commodity Credit Corporation short-term credit program because of Russia's arrearages to the United States. All of you know about those arrearages. They total about, I think, around $640 million. USDA can give you an exact figure. So having taken that into consideration and wanting to preserve American market share and a long-term grain relationship, wanting to respond to a specific request from the Russian government for major food assistance, knowing that we couldn't take it from the grant programs because we don't have sufficient authority there, we looked at Food for Progress, which is a program we've used to great effect in other parts of the world. And we consulted with the Russian government and arrived at this solution. I think the Russians are pleased because it provides them with the food, but also gives them a little bit of relief on the short-term payments. Q Where do those funds actually come from? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: They come from the Food for Progress program, which is a program under USDA's authority. USDA has the authority to spend these funds. We do not need to go back to the Congress for these funds. And I want to make that general point again: Everything in this package, the $1.6 billion package, comprises funds that have already been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. The administration can begin to spend these monies tomorrow. And it's very important in our eyes that we expend all the funds this year, that we meet these commitments. And we are confident we'll be able to do so. Q How did you arrive at the figure of $700 million -- does that max out that program, or did you actually have a range from 0 to -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a reason for it. The reason was that the Russian government told us that's about the amount of grain that they needed between now and harvest time. And so the idea is that we would begin the shipments probably $100 million per month from now until the harvest in the autumn, at which time Russia won't require the same level of food imports from the West. Q I would imagine there's going to be some considerable envy and jealousy on the part of some of the other republics because of the size and the scope of this with Russia. Have you given any consideration to advancing negotiations for the same kinds of projects with the Ukraine, with Georgia , with some of the other republics? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes, we're very conscience of the fact that we also have an interest in extending American support to the 11 other countries of the former Soviet Union. We have told ourselves, and we have planned that in the area of technical assistance, the grant technical assistance that you see, roughly 50 percent of the funding will go to Russia and roughly 50 percent to the other countries. In the area of food sales, we have been active with Ukraine, in grant food assistance with Georgia and Armenia. We will continue that. And I think it's fair to say that after this summit we will go back and look at all of our programs with the other countries to ensure that they are adequate and they are productive and they're hard-hitting. Q Has anything happened at the summit to lead American energy companies and other companies to believe that Russia is going to be more user-friendly toward them in terms of taxing, legalities, bureaucracy? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, one of our primary objectives coming into this summit was to highlight, not only the economic agenda, but also trade and investment. And I'd like to refer to the point I made at the beginning. We're convinced in talking about this problem -- the problem of how to support Russia long-term -- we're convinced that no collection of Western governments have the financial resources over the next decade to fuel the continuation of reform, that only the private sector can do that. We look at our own society and we see tremendous capability in resources in the oil and gas sector. It is a very good match with what the Russians need now, which is financial investment in the existing oil and gas wells and pipeline and new technology and new capital to finance new production. That's what the Russian government has told us it wants to do, and so that's why we have made such a major emphasis on it. That's why trade and investment was a prominent issue on the first day of these talks, and in fact, figured prominently last night in the meeting between President Yeltsin and President Clinton. And we're hoping that together we might send a strong signal to the American business community that we support their efforts to invest in Russia, that the United States, through Ex- Im and OPEC and the Department of Commerce, will be there to support them. Q My question is, is Yeltsin in any position to deliver on making Russia a more -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We think he is. I would note that President Yeltsin's Prime Minister, Mr. Chernomyrdin, worked for 30 years in the Russian oil and gas sector. He will now chair a high-level commission with the Vice President, Vice President Gore, to try to break through the barriers that currently exist to Western investment in the oil and gas sector. We believe we have a commitment to make that committee an important committee. And we're looking forward to the work. Q What type of mechanism is already in place to administer the private sector portion of the program? And will the U.S. be directly involved in the tail end of distribution of the actual funds or is the money simply turned over to the Russian government for distribution at their will? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Are you talking about the variety of programs listed here? It depends on the program itself. In most cases, though, we are either working through American PBOs or American government agencies to ensure that the money obviously is well spent, that the money gets to the intended source. That's an obligation we have to the Congress to ensure the money is well spent and that we can account for the money. We have done that in the last couple of months intensively and we will continue to do it for each of these programs. But they are all quite different. For instance, in the area of grant food and medical assistance, for grant food it is carried out through USDA and USDA accounts for the delivery of the food. For grant medical assistance, we've been working through Project Hope which is a private organization. For the housing -- for instance, the resettlement of Russian officers, we'll be working with a group of American PBOs. On some of the democratization projects, we're working directly with Russian private individuals and private foundations. We're working with journalists in Russia on a media project that you may have noticed. So we literally have here 30 to 40 different activities under all these rubrics and they're all going to be carried out in slightly different ways. Some directly with the Russian government, some with Russian citizens. Q The Jackson-Vanik restrictions that remain and on the COCOM restrictions that remain, can you tell us what the President has to do on that? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as George noted yesterday, President Yeltsin raised these as irritants in the relationship. The President has noted that. I think it's fair to say we will go back now in our own government when we return to Washington and look at both of these questions, and we'll get back to the Russian government. Q You were not prepared for these questions when you got here? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We were prepared for these questions. We've looked at them. But we're not prepared to make a quick decision this weekend. They require -- let me just explain, particularly on Jackson-Vanik. They require consultation with the Congress. They require consultation with the American Jewish community. And we're very sensitive to those concerns. And so we'll want to go back and talk to them before we take any action. Q Is this package designed so that you will not have to go to Congress for anything at this point? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As I said at the beginning, the advantage of this particular package is that all the funds have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. So the administration will not have to go back to the Congress to seek any additional authority to fund any of these efforts. In effect, they can all begin tomorrow, and I know that many of the agencies responsible for these projects will begin tomorrow. And that's the advantage of this particular initiative. Q If this, as the President says, is a long-term, long-haul thing, and members of Congress are at this moment heading for Moscow, why aren't you talking about going to Congress and suggesting to the President of Russia that you are prepared to go to Congress for various things? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think we've been clear about that. The President is discussing this weekend with President Yeltsin some additional ideas that we have for American funding of additional projects, and ideas that he has. We have a major congressional delegation that left last night, headed by Representative Gephardt and we'll want to consult with that delegation and other members of Congress before doing anything. And we'll also want to consult with our allies. So that's where it stands now. Q We've been told repeatedly that a number of these items represent different or new ways of spending the money already appropriated. Could you just tick off which of these items represents reprogramming or at least spending money in ways that it was not previously set to be? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that we've said that these are all projects that either Congress had allocated money for through the Freedom Support Act; there were some funds that were left over from FY'92. And this administration took office and had some new ideas about how the funds might be expended. We didn't use just the Freedom Support Act funds or the FY'92 funds. We went into some of the agency allocations -- Ex-Im, OPIC, and USDA -- and tried to look for creative ways to further our programs. And example of that is the Food for Progress concessional loans. We had hit a brick wall with another type of funding through USDA. We could not go forward legally, and so we looked for a more creative way to ensure continued American market share and ensure continued grain sales, and we think we found it. Q Where, for example, are you getting the money for this Russian officer resettlement -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's from the Freedom Support Act funds. Q In other words, all of the money is being directly spent in new ways, so to speak -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Most of the grant projects that you see -- if you look at the general chart, the second chart, it's broken down into grant and credits. And if you look under grants, the technical cooperation projects that total $281.9 million -- that is almost all Freedom Support Act funding. A little bit of it is leftover funds from fiscal year '92. The Nunn-Lugar funds, of course, you know about the legislative history of those funds. Q cooperation -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: From FY '92? I don't have the exact figure. It was not a considerable figure. Q Could you tell us please, has anything happened here this weekend that will break the log jam between Ukraine and Russia over START -- for START I and II as a result of what's happened here -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Both presidents, President Yeltsin and President Clinton, will be discussing this issue this morning. In fact, we haven't yet gotten to security and arms control related issues. That will be this morning's session. I know that President Clinton will be very strongly reinforcing that this is a top priority for us. We've been talking to the Russians and the Ukrainians over the last couple of weeks about ways that we might help to facilitate the discussions between them. Up to this point, this has been a very important negotiation that's been going on essentially between Moscow and Kiev. And we are at the point now of essentially discussing with them if there are ways that we could contribute to this discussion, help to move things forward essentially. But in terms of what is coming out of this weekend, I don't yet know. In a couple hours we'll know. Q? Just a follow-up on the financing here. Is any of this robbing Peter to pay Boris -- since it's all current year appropriations, have you taken it from anyplace that's been earmarked and put it into this fund? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There are smoke and mirrors here, and I think it's an important point to note. We could have given you a page of assistance numbers that included out-year funding. We're going to make a long-term commitment to many of these projects -- for instance, the enterprise funds, the privatization effort, the housing effort. And we've already talked to the Russians about our long-term commitment. We could have put in really big numbers and this could have been a bigger package, but we wanted to make a point: This package is FY '93. It's funds that we have. And we're going to do what we say we're going to do. And the President feels very strongly about that. In the past there is a legacy that the western governments, the combination of governments, put up large budget figures and for any number of reasons we're not able to meet them, we're determined, and the President is determined, to carry out every single program in this package. And we'll do it. But we do have a longer-term commitment, and that's part of the discussions on economics this weekend. We're looking for Russian ideas on what it is we can do to most effectively support reform. And we've told them that we do have a commitment on some of these programs beyond this fiscal year. Q taken it way from any -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, we haven't. Okay, the question is, have we reprogrammed any of these funds; so have we taken it from other countries to pay for programs in Russia? The answer is no, we have not done so. Q In terms of funding, there is no available monies left -- and you simply find a creative way to find money somewhere else. Doesn't that, in fact, support the -- theory? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Not at all. I don't think it does. That's a particular example, and the example is grain sales. The Commodity Credit Corporation credit guarantee program was short-term loans that Russia had to pay back within 12 to 15 months. You all know about Russia's debt problem, and Russia was unable to meet those commitments. So we looked for a way to do two things: to meet Russia's requirement for grain. They're a net grain importer on a massive scale, and also meet our objective of making sure that the American farmers have a chance to sell their products to Russia. And we simply look for another way to finance that. And we have legislative authority to do it. This program has been successful in other areas. We had not tried it before in the former Soviet Union, but we thought we should now. Q Isn't this really the Bush-Clinton aid package for Russia, since these funds were really first derived by initiatives put forward by President Bush? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I don't think that's a fair characterization. A lot of these funds were appropriated by the U.S. Congress is 1991, in 1992. This administration took office and inherited some obligations that the Bush administration had made. But we had a long six to seven week review of this program. We decided to meet the commitments that had been made by the previous administration. But we have gone well beyond them in funding the enterprise fund, which was just an idea, but the idea had not been filled out with a program. There was no number attached to it. In grouping together some projects and trying to make them into a coherent whole in the privatization effort, I would say, is another Clinton initiative. Further, we listened to the Russian government and listened to the Russian military who told us that the resettlement of their officers was important to them for political and economic and social reasons. And President Clinton has responded to that. And we are making a long-term commitment that beyond this demonstration project we're going to figure out a way to do much more in trying to settle those officers. I would also say that the President has given impetus to all of us in the agencies to think much more broadly about what it is we can do on democratization, because there we have some experience and some comparative advantage that lends itself to the Russian experience. And in calling for the creation of a democracy corps, which is another new initiative, we're hopeful that we can take the resources of the private sector as well as the American government, to achieve that objective. So I would not characterize it that way at all. And as most of you know, I am a career civil servant. I was in the last administration. I'm very familiar with what the last administration did. And I would characterize this as a Clinton assistance package for Russia. Q There's been a lot of criticism that aid in the past has not gotten to the people. Is there anything in this outside of the ombudsman, that will guarantee that this money will not just disappear because it's being administered by the Russian government? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that -- I know that the President and other senior officials of our government are concerned that American money be spent wisely and that it get to the source that it's intended -- for which it's intended. And so we're going to take great care -- AID and the State Department will take great care in making sure that the funds are expended properly and that they're reaching their source. I would not that this package is not simply a package of support solely to the Russian government. Some of these projects, especially in democratization and exchanges, are going to be worked out directly with Russian private individuals, with businesses. The private enterprise support is another example of that. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If I could just add a word on this point with regard to the SSD-related programs, one area that we've been looking at very, very closely is consideration of actually using Russian firms in subcontracting for these kinds of programs. They would be working very closely, of course, with the American firms, who would be the prime contractors. But this is a fine example, I think, of a more --of a imaginative and flexible approach toward getting some of that funding down to the grassroots level, down to the ground in Russia; but at the same time ensuring that it is spent efficiently and for the purposes for which it was intended. Q When would the democracy corps start? Exactly when do you see this happening? How would get it off the ground? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the President is today calling for the creation of a democracy corps. I think it's fair to say that we're going to work out its framework over the next couple of weeks. Ambassador Simons takes up his duties on May 1st. But in effect we've already started, because over the last couple of weeks the administration has begun to reach out to people in the private sector who have come to us asking us to help facilitate their activities in Russia. And we've said that we will be helpful. We've also tried to kind of coordinate in a much more effective way the activities of our own government. We do have 10 or 15 agencies that are active in Russia in one way or another. We think it makes sense to draw them together and to focus their efforts. Q Excuse me. How much of this $1.6 billion will actually be spent in the United States by American made goods? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't have any figures for you now, but perhaps we could try to work something up in the next couple of days on that. Q This figure is larger than the figure that has been in the press -- did this program grow yesterday as a result of the discussions, or have we just been that far off the mark? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I think -- unfortunately the press has been a little bit off the mark, and I'm sorry to say that. No, this package -- President Clinton put us to work about seven weeks ago on this package. And he was briefed intensively on this. He contributed a lot of the intellectual leadership in this package. He contributed a lot of the ideas in the package. And I think it's fair to say that we had this rough package worked out about two weeks ago. We have been refining it ever since. We spent a couple of days last week going over it with the Russian government, both the embassy in Washington and the government in Moscow through our own embassy. And so it's been evolving. But this particular package has been together for about two weeks. Q Where is Yeltsin's input into this then? There was so much talk before about the President wanted to get Yeltsin's views about specifically what was needed and so forth. Is that in the out years? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, it's both. President Yeltsin has on several occasions told us, for instance, that support for the creation of private businesses is important to him; that the resettlement of Russian military officers is important; and that first and foremost the effort to privatize the state industries is important to them. And so what we did was to try to make those the centerpiece of our technical assistance part o the package. We listened to him. On the privatization effort, we have been working with the Russian government for months on this trying to work out all the details. So the Russian government on most of these programs was involved every step of the way. But let me get at the other part of your question. The President is also using this weekend to talk about a broader set of initiatives that we might undertake. And we're looking for his ideas. The President has brought his own ideas to the table -- for instance, on energy and the environment and in housing. But we're looking for Russian ideas not. We need to consult with the Congress; and we need to consult with the other allied governments that are also active. Q There's essentially nothing that happened in the last day and a half that measurably altered the package that you came in with? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: This particular package, as I said, was worked out and was ready about two weeks ago. We have since then consulted with the Russian government on the final stages of its development, and so this weekend we've primarily talked about future, about what more the United States and other Western countries can do to support reform in Russia, which is our base objective here. Q I noticed that you -- that money appropriated to train bankers and businessmen and officers. Can you tell me what about job training for workers who are displaced by privatization? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: You're right; we have a program to train Russian -- young Russians in banking and financial services in the United States. Part of the housing initiative, it's not just to build housing units, it's to retrain Russian officers who are retiring into other professions. Q money for job training for workers whose jobs are disappearing because of privatization -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We have not yet allocated any money for that. Q Why not? Q of the $6 million is going to build 450 housing units. Isn't that a lot of money per unit given what the Western dollar will buy in the former Soviet Union? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If you want to do housing the right way, it's not just the building the framework of a house, you've got to think about all the utilities. You've got to think about the purchase of land. You've got to think about sewage and gas and electricity and so forth. And it's also retraining. It's not enough to put retired -- an officer coming out of -- Riga or Tallin or Vilnius in a house in western Russia. We think we have an obligation to try to retrain those officers as well. This is responding to a request from the Russian government. Q of the $6 million will go to retrain -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right. Q Are you talking about apartment buildings or single -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We're talking about single, individual dwellings. Q You're saying that only 450 families will be served by this? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: What I want to -- I thought I pointed out earlier, this is a demonstration project. What we didn't want to do -- given the experience that the Germans and the Turks and the Italians have had in building housing in western Russian, we did not want to leap into it with a huge amount of money. What we want to do is work over the next couple of months and try to figure out with American organizations in the private sector the best way to get this job done. I noted that we have a long-term commitment to that. And so I would expect that we would put a lot more money into this in the future . But we want to do it wisely; we want to spend the money wisely. Q What is it about this program that convinces you that it will protect Russia's reforms and that Russia will be in a position to may back the money they're supposed to pay back, especially considering their other debt problem? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, look, I think it's important to note that the United States on its own does not have the capability to fuel a continuation of Russian reform. It's got to be a collective Western effort, and we're looking to our allies to do more as well. But beyond that, it's really what the Russians do that is going to decide the fate of reform. We can simply play a role, and we feel we have an obligation to do so, which is consistent with our national interests. Q Did the President say that the value of the U.S. contribution was that it would create security and prosperity for the United States? So what is it about this program that does this? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think you have to go back to the fundamental objective of our policy toward Russia, and that is we want to do everything we can to support the continuation of reform. We are convinced that if reformers stay in power, then we'll be able to continue the drawdown of nuclear forces, foreign policy cooperation and economic interaction, which are the three benefits to the United States from reform in Russia. So it's not a simple question. You can't just say that this program is the answer. It's a long-term question and we have to make a long-term commitment to it. Q And then on the question of Russia's ability to repay, what convinces you they'll be able to pay seven to 15 years from now? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the Russian government has made a commitment to repay, and what we're hoping is that if reform continues, and if they can continue to improve their oil and gas sector and earn additional hard currency revenues, that Russia will be in a position six or seven years from now to pay back those loans. Q substantial government-to-government loan we've ever gotten into with the Russians? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't want to answer authoritatively on that. I don't go back 20 or 30 years on this. But in the last four or five years, yes it is, because the previous way that we financed grain exports was really to just ensure private bank loans. This is a different type of effort. Q government loans in any other sector that you recall? I know it wasn't done in -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think it's fair to say this is a new and unique effort. END10:25 A.M. PDT " 10591,7,"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston Lines: 13 In article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes: >>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): >>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly > >About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau >Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a >schoolteacher from Minnesota.) Here in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed in a similar manner. " 10592,4,"From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng) Subject: Centris 610 Impression Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 15 I have been playing with my Centris 610 for almost a week now. I must say this machine is really fast! The hardware turn-on feature is annoying, but I got PowerKey from Sophisicated Circuits and it works like a charm. However, I still have a few complaints: - when I restart the machine every time, the screen image (the desktop pattern) jerks up and down for a few times. - the Quantum 170 drive is noisy Overall, I highly recommend it: it is fast, affordable and looks great! -- Dominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) Computer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada " 10593,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: army in space Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net There is the Army Ballistic Missile Defense Organization. They were the precursors to SDIO. and still exist under that umbrella. Army Signal Corp's and DCA defense Comm Agency oops DISA, they just changed names do space work. that's the point of all those defense comm sats. But don't worry, there are lots of jobs that need ditch digging, somehow you'll end up there ;-) " 10594,19,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! (NOT!) Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. <1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca> Lines: 28 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca>, >mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: >> This brings up another question I still have to ponder: why is there so >> much anti-Semitism? Why do people hate Jews? I don't hate Jews. I consider >> them to be like anyone else, sinners we all are. >I don't know, I don't care about ethnical rights and wrongs myself, >but it's evident that Christians consider Jews no longer to be the >sole selected group of God's people -- while Jews consider this to >be the case. Christian anti-Semitism comes from the obvious fact that the Jews should know the Hebrew Scriptures better than anyone else, yet they did not convert to Christianity en mass, thus rejecting ""Christian Love."" >No wonder this caused anti-Semitism. One might even >wonder that if Christianity didn't do this separation, would anti-Semitism >have even started? I don't see why not. Where are the rest of the tribal people? What happened to the tribes of the Americas? Culture is seen as different and undesirable in the West, particular in the US with its failed ""melting pot concept."" Most tribes have been hunted to extinction, the Hebrew tribe is one of the few survivers from the Neolithic. Of course it becomes difficult at times to separate Christianity from the Western experience, so perhaps you are right, perhaps it would have been a better world if the cultural experiment in Christianity never happened. " 10595,7,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Dents on car. Lines: 5 All you have to do is turn it in to the police like you would an accident, get a report and send it in to your insurance company and they will contact the other guys insurance company and they will have to pay just as they would in an accident they caused. Thus no need to go to court. A friend of mine did this and he got the money so it does work. " 10596,15,"From: stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 63 In aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) writes: >In article , >conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: >> >> >> I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere >> man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. >I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking: what distinguishes >""true"" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially >about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on >Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that >true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person. >But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity >IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the >Branch Davidian ""cult"" from the Presbyterian ""church""? Doctrinal >differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as >an answer. As far as I can see, one of the big differences between Davidians and Christians is in who they follow. I have sometimes tried to put myself in the feet of one of Jesus's disciples. Basically, they gave up a lot --- career, possibly family, and well, a whole bunch, to follow Jesus. So what is the difference? It is quite plain. Jesus was good and David Koresh was not. The problem is, I think, is that we try to legislate what is good and what is bad in terms of principles. For instance, there are thousands of laws in the U.S. governing what is legal and what is not. Often, it is hard to bring people to justice, because it is not possible to find a legal way to do it. If only we could trust judges to be just, then we could tell them to administer justice fairly, and justice would be followed. But since judges don't always get it right, we have a complicated system involving precedent and bunches of other stuff which attempt to make the imperfect (the justice of man) into something perfect. But what I hear about the justice system in the U.S. tells me that quite the opposite is true. There is also a problem that we tend to judge the presentation more than the material being presented. So we might consider a ranting Christian to be bad, but an eloquent person from another religion to be good. This goes along with the American desire to protect the Constitution at all costs, even if it allows people to do bad things. I think that it is the message that is important. If a man is presenting a false message, even if he is ever ever so mild mannered, then that man is performing a tremendous disservice. I know that I am rambling here. I guess that what I am trying to say is that we shouldn't be looking for principles that tell us why the Davidians got it wrong. It is not wrong to follow and worship a person. But it is important to choose the right person. It is simple. Choose Jesus, and you got it right. Choose anyone else, and you got it wrong. Why? Because Jesus is the begotten son of God, and nobody else is. Jesus was without sin, and nobody else was. Stephen " 10597,15,"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Indiana University Lines: 8 Of course, I'd still recommend that Michael read _True and Reasonable_ by Douglas Jacoby. Joe Fisher Oh, and Michael, I wait to see any dents in any armor and my faith hasn't wavered since the day I became a disciple. You may want to try it sometime. It's life-changing! " 10598,9,"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr15.232551.14817@leland.Stanford.EDU> eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen) writes: >One phrase for you....FUCK YOU!!!! >Thanks. Perhaps it's time to start rec.sport.baseball.graffiti, where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com " 10599,8,"From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson) Subject: Tickets - advice is worth what you paid Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California Lines: 28 Distribution: ca I can't think of another subject that generates as much contradictory advice as traffic laws and their enforcement. Everybody's got an opinion and is dead certain they are right. Yet acurate information is extremely difficult to come by. The DMV doesn't know. Cops don't know. Your traffic school instructor doesn't know. The vehicle code only tells part of the story. Judges choose to interpret the laws in a wide variety of ways. And the public at large? I seldom hear any advice that doesn't disagree with something I've experienced. If you don't believe me I suggest you get a copy of the vehicle code, study it, and then sit in on a day or two of court and see what really happens. Read ""Fight Your Ticket"" too, but don't miss the little section at the end where it says your chances are lousy and you're basically screwed. As you may have guessed, I'm pretty down on the system here in California. I've carefully prepared for court, bringing witnesses and revealing serious holes in the officer's story, only to be slapped with the maximum allowable fine (plus assessments of over 100%) - the message clear that the judge does not appreciate John Q Public trying his own cases. So here's my advice when you find yourself with a ticket: Take traffic school if you can. If it's a serious matter get a lawyer. A lawyer can present the exact same case as you, the difference is the sentence. -- Paul Thompson Apple Computer " 10600,12,"From: martyj@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (martin johnson) Subject: Hi Volt from battery Keywords: capacitive discharge Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 13 I need a small battery powered hi voltage capacitive discharge supply to deliver ~6 joules at 250 volts. This implies a 200uf cap. I have built a very satisfactorily operating version from a MAX641, but do not like the idea of using a $6 single source part. It seems that the ubiquitous camera flash circuit is what I want, but I cant get mine apart without breaking it. I would appreciate receiving the circuit description or a source of one. I have already looked in several electronics circuits handbooks to no avail. Thanx -- ______________________________________________ | martin johnson martyj@uiuc.edu | | ""mind your business"", on first US coin | |____________________________________________| " 10601,18,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: The Manitoban Candidate Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 32 smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) writes: >bross@sandbanks.cosc.brocku.ca (Brian Ross) writes: > >> In the world of the future, Bill Clinton will appoint Canadians to >> govern all American institutions (starting with the American health >> care system). We will be benevolent Canadian dictators. > >With yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to >pay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect >that the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American >shadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some >time between 1966 and 1968, tutored him in the ways of Canadian >socialism, awarded him with smokeless marijuana cigarettes when he got >the correct answers, then returned him to the states (under the >control of the domineering wife assigned to his case) to attain high >public office and destroy the evil individualistic and free market >forces in America, thus shaping America in the Canadian image. And not only that, made a second clone from the same tissue sample after that of said domineering wife, to run at the helm of the more-pro-business party under guise of more free trade ... and she did inhale, many times, to boot ... (-; (-; (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 10602,19,"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 14 John Berryhill, Ph.D. writes >I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses >while driving. umm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant, fundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of us try very hard to be discreet and stay alert. -- Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho " 10603,16,"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 38 As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. That depends only on the profit of doing so. The differences in cost of production will determine local vs smuggle. > would have to be local. There are not all that many people > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile Those of us who have actually made semi-autos (full-autos are easier) are getting quite a giggle out of this. I'd estimate that 5% of the people at my high school couldn't do it. (I was one of the few who failed shop.) People who have actually seen me do mechanical work would probably say that 1% is more like it. Starting with even 90% of the population, you can be sure that ""enough"" people will be motivated. > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. How much is ""through the nose""? After all, we know quite a bit about how much a gun is worth to a criminal, so if that is dwarfed by the price demanded by the ""bad"" part of that 90%.... The relevant economic analysis has been made. The ""profit"" of gun crime is high enough that the price required to push criminals out of the market is high enough that everyone will be motivated. That analysis ignored some ""improvements"" in the criminal gun market that could make them even cheaper. (They're not efficiently used now, but a ""loaner"" set up would drive the value still higher without affecting criminal use.) -andy -- " 10604,15,"From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Subject: WITNESS & PROOF OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION Reply-To: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 143 IMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM; : T H E W I T N E S S & P R O O F O F : : : : J E S U S C H R I S T ' S R E S U R R E C T I O N : : : : F R O M T H E D E A D : HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM< * The WITNESS Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST: Mark 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark 9:31 For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, ""The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Mark 10:34 ""And they will mock Him and spit upon Him, and scourge Him, and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark 12:26 ""But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? Luke 18:33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again. "" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Luke 24:46 and He said to them, ""Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day;^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John 11:25 Jesus said to her, ""I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, John 20:9 For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Acts 17:3 ...explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, ""This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ."" * The WITNESS Of The APOSTLE PAUL: 1 Corinthians 15:1-26 1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as it were to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. 12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied. 20 BUT NOW CHRIST HAS BEEN RAISED FROM THE DEAD, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. LOGICAL PROOFS OF JESUS CHRIST'S RESURRECTION 1. Jesus's enemies *would not* have stolen His body because that would have perpetrated the resurrection--the very opposite of what they desired. 2. Jesus' disciples *could not* have stolen His body because Pontius Pilate established guards to stand watch over the tomb lest His body be stolen. 3. Sadly (and ironically), many of Jesus' disciples did not believe in the Resurrection until Jesus had risen from the dead. 4. In nearly 20 centuries, no body has ever been produced to refute Jesus' assertion that He *would indeed* rise from the dead. 5. The probability of being able to perpetrate such a hoax successfully upon the entire world for nearly 20 centuries is astronomically negative! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 10605,9,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: I've found the secret! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 15 Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts again tonight, on three days rest. What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why Hesketh was used in relief last night? Hm. Cheers, -Valentine P.S. I was wrong. The Sox have already scored 18 runs in two games this week. They should reach 25 without trouble. I still think it's a fluke. " 10606,0,"Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Why the bible? Lines: 38 One thing I think is interesting about alt.athiesm is the fact that without bible-thumpers and their ilk this would be a much duller newsgroup. It almost needs the deluded masses to write silly things for athiests to tear apart. Oh well, that little tidbit aside here is what I really wanted write about. How can anyone believe in such a sorry document as the bible? If you want to be religious aren't there more plausable books out there? Seriously, the bible was written by multiple authors who repeatedly contradict each other. One minute it tells you to kill your kid if he talks back and the next it says not to kill at all. I think that if xtians really want to follow a deity they should pick one that can be consistent, unlike the last one they invented. For people who say Jesus was the son of god, didn't god say not to EVER put ANYONE else before him? Looks like you did just that. Didn't god say not to make any symbols or idols? What are crosses then? Don't you think that if you do in fact believe in the bible that you are rather far off track? Was Jesus illiterate? Why didn't he write anything? Anyone know? I honestly hope that people who believe in the bible understand that it is just one of the religious texts out there and that it is one of the poorer quality ones to boot. The only reason xtianity escaped the middle east is because a certain roman who's wine was poisoned with lead made all of rome xtian after a bad dream. If this posting keeps one person, just ONE person, from standing on a streetcorner and telling people they are going to hell I will be happy. *** Only hatred and snap judgements can guide your robots through life. *** *** Dr. Clayton Forester *** *** Mad Scientist *** " 10607,6,"From: gurakl@aix.rpi.edu (Laura J. Gurak) Subject: XT clone for sale Article-I.D.: rpi.+zt5m5_ Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu FOR SALE: IBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS) Brand: Acer Age: 4.5 years Specs: 640K RAM 20 meg hard drive 5 -1/4 floppy drive Color monitor 2400 baud USRobotics internal modem Bundled with loads of software: word processing, communications, spreadsheet, games. A good computer that successfully got me through all of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to switch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for high school student, college student, or person who needs basic word processing, spreadsheet, and/or database capabilities. Best offer. Reply to Laura Gurak userglub@mts.rpi.edu -- ***************************************************************************** Laura J. Gurak/PhD candidate/Dept. Language, Literature, and Communication Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180/gurakl@rpi.edu rhetorics of science & technology/social aspects of computing/rhet. criticism " 10608,3,"From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Nntp-Posting-Host: mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 22 In article wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: >In article <1993Apr15.235509.29818@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >> >> I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented >> data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better >> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when >> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. > >I have been following this thread and figured I'd throw in my two cents... > >The Amiga Zorro II bus is comparable with the ISA bus (7.16 vs 8.33 MHZ). Except for the fact that it's superior in just about every way to the ISA Bus. >The Amiga has had a pre-emptative multi-tasking OS since '85 and can >operate with 1 MB RAM! SCSI is used almost exclusively on these systems. Except for the new systems that now ship only with IDE controllers. ToodlepiP! Marc 'em. " 10609,17,"From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: ""The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"" Lines: 83 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). You really belong to the 25-30% of ignorants in USA who don't know what the Holocaust (""Shoa"" should be the real word) was. First you write in Message-ID: <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 20:36:20 GMT > I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in > reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering ^^^^^^^ and later, as somebody informed you about your gross mistake, you write in Message-ID: <1993Apr25.181351.1373@Virginia.EDU> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 18:13:51 GMT > First let me correct myself in that it was Goerbels and ^^^^^^^^ > not Goering (Airforce) who ran the Nazi propaganda machine. instead of Joseph GOEBBELS. And you dare to say that you ""know more about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including ""us"")"" ? I'm sure you learned the history of Nazi Germany AND Austria from your family. > What I resent is ignorant statements that call people > names when they disagree with your position. Opposing the > atrocities commited by the Israeli governement hardly qualifies > as anti-semitism. If you think name calling is a valid form of > argument in intellectual circles, you need to get out more > often. Trying to make comparisons between Israels politics and Nazi German- Austrian politics shows only your degree of ignorance (high), intellect (low), humanity (none) and antisemitism (average). I respect anybody who dissagrees with me as long as he respects me and discusses in a civilized manner. I would never say that anybody that critizises Israel and/or its politics is an antisemite, except he uses antisemitic vocabulary/terminology/demagogy. Israel is not a perfect country and its politicians also commits errors, even some of them are corrupt (like politicians in any other country), but they carry a huge burden: to care for the safety of ALL its citizens, and that is really not an easy task in a country that is surrounded by enemies who only expect that Israel commits the ONE BIG ERROR and wipe the country (and its Jewish citizens plus the so-called collaborators, arabs that wanted to live in peace with their Jewish neighbours) of the map. As I said, Israel is not a perfect country, but it is the ONLY democracy in the whole Middle-East and the only country in the world where Jews from everywhere can have a refuge in case of persecutions in the countries they are living. Our long history has taught us that we cannot rely on non-Jewish nations and its governments: as soon as there are more or les big social-economical-political problems in any country, the first ones that pay for the broken glasses are the Jews, and later the other minorities of the country. > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > not appreciated. This is really outrageous: 6.000.000 murdered Jews, besides the thousands who survived the Shoa in some way or another, and the rest of the living ones mourning for all of them ! I don't know what you call a ""Civil Libertarian"" (never heard about them) but I know only one thing: if all of them think like you do it, then ""Civil Libertarians"" is a new denomination for Antisemites. May other Civil Libertarians come to word to this group so that we can learn if A.Beyer and me are right (that Civil Libertarians are Antisemites), or that I'm wrong and he is missusing that word. BTW, I couldn't care less for what Andi Beyer appreciates. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manfredo Tichauer M. EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de Opitzstrasse 14 VOICE : (++ 49 40) 27.42.27 2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY FAX : (++ 49 40) 270.53.09 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10610,5,"From: rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl (Richard Verhoeven) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: wsinfo03.win.tue.nl bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: > > try this after XCreateWindow: > ----------------------------- > ... > > xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */ > ... > XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints); > ... > > These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window > are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these > values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window > manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user. > I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer > if you specify the position and size like above. Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position and the window at a position below it. This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current configuration and restore is later. Currently, my solution is: XCreateWindow(...); XSetWMProperties(..); XMapWindow(...); XFlush(...); XMoveWindow(...); It works with olwm, but is less than elegant. All this leaves me wondering if I'm overlooking something obvious. Richard. " 10611,3,"From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie) Subject: Re: Joystick suggestions? Nntp-Posting-Host: varley.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 31 It depends on what you'd like your joystick for. I've seen Gravis joysticks at Radio Shack. They seemed flimsy and didn't fit well in my hand. I have heard on c.s.i.p.games that they don't last well (less than a year) on flightsims. One redeeming feature does seem to be the ability to adjust the tension of the stick. I recently purchased a CH Flightstick. There aren't any suction cups and no tension adjusters but otherwise it seems to be an excellent joystick. I'm currently using it for the Wing Commander series and Red Baron. Works quite well. The large base does not require a steadying hand and so leaves it free. The buttons provide good tactile response (you can hear and feel them well). There are other models made by CH that can go up or down in features. For price comparison Gravis analogue joysticks sell for ~$35.00 here compared to the $45.00 I paid for a CH Flightstick. I think the extra $10.00 is worth it just in feel. Best thing to do is to ask a salesperson to let you try them out or at least feel it before you buy. Just another note, analogue joysticks are best for flightsims or something that needs sensitive touch. If you're only playing games such as Castle Wolfenstein or some other game that only uses digital input (ie. only up, down, left, etc. instead of 'how much right') you might want to look into a Gravis gamepad. They look like a Nintendo control pad but I don't know much beyond that. -- Will Christie | AATCHOO! | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and University of Manitoba | Uh-oh... | science of thought and reality Winnipeg, MB, Canada | I'm leaking | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks chrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. | they're useful to society " 10612,13,"From: rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) Subject: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 10 Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish to know more. Thanks. " 10613,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1quh78INNf45@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov writes: >> >The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. >> >When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display... >> Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the >> month... > >Sorry to put a damper on your plans, but I was there three weeks ago and >it wasn't there. Not that I would have known to look for it, of course, >but I combed the space exhibits pretty thoroughly and something like that >would have caught my attention instantly. It wasn't especially prominent, as I recall. However, quite possibly it's no longer on display; NASM, like most museums, has much more stuff than it can display at once, and does rotate the displays occasionally. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 10614,13,"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 24 In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > >Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks >associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens >are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function >of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of >the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish >to know more. Thanks. From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff, Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991 (ISBN #0-06-272007-4): ""The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form, has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However, in order to experience the same results, people would have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."" -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) " 10615,11,"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Article-I.D.: clarinet.1993Apr17.090731.18680 Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 21 Interestingly enough, in designing the escrow, we may want to use some rather unusual technology, such as sealed boxes of paper, or destructive read memory, rather than typical computer databases, which is fun for a database of hundreds of millions of keys. The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You can design lots of protection, but with enough corruption a complete copy is always possible. Storing it on paper or something very hard to copy at once may actually make sense. Or a medium that can't be copied -- for example, something with very slow access times or which leaves a destructive trail if it is even read. Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse than the consequences of a secret backup. An audit trail that reveals when data has been access, that *can't* be erased by the humans involved, is also necessary. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 " 10616,9,"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Subject: Going to a Cubbies game .. Keywords: tickets?, parking?, parka? Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Distribution: usa Lines: 30 Well, after suffering from an intense fit of Minnesota-induced cabin fever, I've decided to road trip to Milwaukee and take in a couple of games this weekend. A couple games at County stadium will be great to relieve tension, but I thought ""Why not go to Wrigley for a game too?"" I see the Cubs are playing the Phillies on Sat (2:05 start, I believe that's Eastern time listed). I figured it would be fun to bounce down to Wrigley for the day game and live it up a little. I'm wondering if anyone (esp. Cubbie fans) have some advice on: 1) If I'm taking 41 (Skokie Hwy) south until it runs into 94, what's the best way to get to Wrigley? I'm planning on getting there an hour or two early and paying through the nose for parking to keep things easy. 2) Is it probable that I'll be able to walk up and get bleacher seats (2 or 3) on game day? I figure since it's early in the year, Ryno's out and the weather isn't great I should be able to get tickets. If not, what's the best way to get advance tickets; can I call the Cubs' ticket office directly and pick up tickets at the will call window? 3) Any advice on where to eat before or after the game? 4) Do they allow inflatable I-luv-ewe dolls (present from Lundy) into the bleachers? :-) -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence " 10617,19,"From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: digibd.digibd.com Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN Lines: 13 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: >In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >>I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me... >Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty. And to be honest as well, I >believe you have not asked my god to come to you. Why do I say this? Because that would contradict your religious beliefs; therefore, you feel more comfortable simply accusing his sincerity, so you will not have to critically examine your religious beliefs. --- Merlyn LeRoy " 10618,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 72 In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! --> -->Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there -->was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension -->to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very -->tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. --== some deleted --> -->Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper --> --> --Check the bottom of your pipes Barry -- suspect that is what may --have hit. I did the same a few years past & thought it was the --peg but found the bottom of my pipe has made contact & showed a --good sized dent & scratch. -- Believe you'd feel the suddent change on your foot if the peg --had bumped. As for the piece missing -- contribute that to --vibration loss. Yep, the same thing happened to me on my old Honda 200 Twinstar. ***************************************************************************** * Mike Maser | DoD#= 0536 | SQUID RATING: 5.333333333333333 * * 9235 Pinetree Rd. |----------------------------------------------* * Sidney, B.C., CAN. | Hopalonga Twinfart Yuka-Yuka EXCESS 400 * * V8L-1J1 | wish list: Tridump, Mucho Guzler, Burley * * home (604) 656-6131 | Thumpison, or Bimotamoeba * * work (604) 721-7297 |*********************************************** * mmaser@sirius.UVic.CA |JOKE OF THE MONTH: What did the gay say to the* * University of Victoria | Indian Chief ? * * news: rec.motorcycles | ANSWER: Can I bum a couple bucks ? * ***************************************************************************** " 10621,3,"From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning) Subject: Mitsumi and SB Pro Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 18 Hi, I just bought a Mitsumi CD-ROM drive and a SB Pro soundcard. The pin outs on the CD-ROM line-out and the SB Pro CD-IN are not the same. I am considering taking the RCA output jacks on the Mitsumi interface card and routing them to the line-in input on the SB Pro. Will this work with multi-media software that uses the CD-ROM and the SB Pro or do I need to go to the CD-IN pins on the SB-Pro. Thanks, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | John Manning | Opinions expressed are my own. | | j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com | I do not represent Digital Equip. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10622,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: I believe in gun control. Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr3.221837.2324@news.duc.auburn.edu> bixledn@eng.auburn.edu writes: >In article 16193@cbnews.cb.att.com, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >> No, you haven't read it very closely . It says you may answer ""No"" if your >> civil rights have been restored; that can be done either by the feds' or a >> a state. I think the feds stopped doing this for those convicted of violent >> felonies. At least a dozen states still restore a felons civil rights, some >> immediately upon release, some after a waiting period. I will post a list >> of the states later. >> > > A quick question, then Larry, If a person's civil rights have been restored, > then are they still considered a felon? Good question; I don't know what the law considers them. > IMO, if rights have been restored, then it makes sense to me that the > record of the felony, and everything else has been purged, and the > person in question is no longer a felon. I believe this is what happens in some states. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 10623,5,"From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Key definitions in Emacs + X Organization: U of Cambridge, England Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: apus.cus.cam.ac.uk In article <1993Apr16.183525.25197@midway.uchicago.edu> ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) writes: >I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. >When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, >I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's >keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all >seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling >this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some >xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? It is actually worse than you think. I have the same problem, and have given up. Emacs has an internal table (somewhere!) which defines what keys it will accept, and this table is system-dependent. I use a Sun from my HP, and cannot get 'shift PageUp' to work - xmodmap is not sufficient, or at least I haven't worked out how to make it work. However, I CAN get ordinary 'PageUp' and 'shift CursorRight' to work, and I do some customised things with them. Note that the Emacs on my HP has no problem, and I am using exactly the same xmodmap and Emacs configuration. Nick Maclaren University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. Email: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk Tel.: +44 223 334761 Fax: +44 223 334679 " 10624,10,"From: peterson@pms001.pms.ford.com (Doug Peterson) Subject: NCAA Hockey Final Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: peterson@pms860.pms.ford.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pms001.pms.ford.com Keywords: college I haven't seen anyone post this so I will do the honors. Maine beat LSSU 5-4 in Milwaukee on Saturday night. It was quite a game. Maine stormed to a 2-0 lead in the first and looked like they might run away with it. Maine's first goal came inside the first thirty seconds of the game. LSSU came back at the end of the period to cut the lead to 2-1. LSSU came out in the second dominating the play particularly along the boards. The play went quickly with the refs running a no-holds-barred type of game. LSSU scored three more unanswered goals to lead 4-2 at the end of the second. Now it looked like LSSU might just walk away with the game. Coach Walsh, of Maine, replaced the starting goalie Dunham with Snow, who won the game against Michigan. Snow proved to be a much more aggressive goalie. The third period, like the second, belonged to the team behind. Maine scored three unanswered goals in a span of five minutes after the four minute mark. They were all scored by Jim Montgomery, the tournament MVP, and all assisted by Paul Kariya. The last minute of the game bears highlighting. The change to Snow also proved the difference in the end. With one minute to go and with the LSSU goalie pulled, Snow dueled with a LSSU forward in a amazing set of moves by both. Snow won. It was a great way to end the game. This year's three championships games were sold out last year in about one month. The Bradley Center holds approximately 17,700. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Douglas J. Peterson Have _--____ ____ peterson@pms860.pms.ford.com you ` / ---- / Safety Laboratories Department driven -/- __ ____ _ / Ford Motor Company a . / / \--/___/ \/ (313) 390-8089 \_/ ,\_/ / \_/_ lately? " 10625,8,"From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) Subject: dogs Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc Organization: University of Washington Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: ikkoku-kan.panda.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm a biker and a dog-lover. First and foremost, I want to mention some common sense. If it's a choice between injuring/killing a dog or getting yourself injured/killed, there is only one rational decision. Only the most insane animal rights kook would put the dog first. Second, it's useful to learn how to read a dog's body language. How you react to a dog who is chasing you because he thinks it's a game (and that you're playing with him) is completely different from how you react to a dog which has hostile intent. Third, it's useful to learn how to present yourself to a dog. Dogs are social beasts, and recognize a domination/submission hierarchy. To a dog, there are two types of fellow-creatures; that which he dominates, and that which dominate him. You need to unambiguously represent yourself as being of the latter class. You are God: you are easily angered and your anger is terrible. But God is also amused by one who properly submits to His dominance, and may even on rare occasions dispense a kind word, a kind word, or even (oh joy oh rapture unforeseen) A Dog Bisquit! Now, how does that all relate to biking? Well, first, it's a good idea to assume that most dogs who chase motorcycles do so because they think it's a game, and not out of overt hostility. The MSF suggestion is a very good one; when you see the dog coming, slow down so he determines a particular place of interception. Just before you (and he) reach that spot, punch the throttle so that when he reaches it you're already long gone. Dogs take a few seconds to react to new input, and definitely cannot comprehend the acceleration that a motorcycle is capable of. With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures may be necessary. This is the face off. First -- and there is very important -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory. Face him off on the road, not on his driveway. If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will hurt him). Stand your ground, then slowly advance. Your mental attitude is that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. The larger the dog, the greater your anger. Dogs will pick up anger, just as they can pick up fear. And, since you and he are not on his home territory, it may suddenly dawn on the dog that perhaps he is on your territory, and that you are prepared to fight to the death. Most dogs will decide that it is a good idea to retreat to their own territory where there is at least a home advantage. They'll also observe that you are satisfied by that retreat (gesture of submission) and thus they have escaped punishment. The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great deal to them. The more effective you are at communicating body language, the less you actually have to do. After 7 years with my 93 pound beast, I've learned a few tricks I think... " 10626,17,"From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians. Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 34 ac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) pl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) pl: 1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians? ac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans? ac: You even make Armenians laugh. ac: ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the ac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of ac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at ac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The ac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and ac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in ac: 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" Typical Mutlu. PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y happened. Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar accuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did what they are accused of. While I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I can't understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let such an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself. I do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything to alleviate my puzzlement. But maybe I'll see a new line from his list of insults. -- /|/-\/-\ This article is supplied without longbox |__/__/_/ and uses recycled 100% words, characters and ideas. |warren@ / nysernet.org " 10627,0,"From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources Summary: Books, addresses, music -- anything related to atheism Keywords: FAQ, atheism, books, music, fiction, addresses, contacts Expires: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 11:57:19 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930301143317@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 290 Archive-name: atheism/resources Alt-atheism-archive-name: resources Last-modified: 11 December 1992 Version: 1.0 Atheist Resources Addresses of Atheist Organizations USA FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION Darwin fish bumper stickers and assorted other atheist paraphernalia are available from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in the US. Write to: FFRF, P.O. Box 750, Madison, WI 53701. Telephone: (608) 256-8900 EVOLUTION DESIGNS Evolution Designs sell the ""Darwin fish"". It's a fish symbol, like the ones Christians stick on their cars, but with feet and the word ""Darwin"" written inside. The deluxe moulded 3D plastic fish is $4.95 postpaid in the US. Write to: Evolution Designs, 7119 Laurel Canyon #4, North Hollywood, CA 91605. People in the San Francisco Bay area can get Darwin Fish from Lynn Gold -- try mailing . For net people who go to Lynn directly, the price is $4.95 per fish. AMERICAN ATHEIST PRESS AAP publish various atheist books -- critiques of the Bible, lists of Biblical contradictions, and so on. One such book is: ""The Bible Handbook"" by W.P. Ball and G.W. Foote. American Atheist Press. 372 pp. ISBN 0-910309-26-4, 2nd edition, 1986. Bible contradictions, absurdities, atrocities, immoralities... contains Ball, Foote: ""The Bible Contradicts Itself"", AAP. Based on the King James version of the Bible. Write to: American Atheist Press, P.O. Box 140195, Austin, TX 78714-0195. or: 7215 Cameron Road, Austin, TX 78752-2973. Telephone: (512) 458-1244 Fax: (512) 467-9525 PROMETHEUS BOOKS Sell books including Haught's ""Holy Horrors"" (see below). Write to: 700 East Amherst Street, Buffalo, New York 14215. Telephone: (716) 837-2475. An alternate address (which may be newer or older) is: Prometheus Books, 59 Glenn Drive, Buffalo, NY 14228-2197. AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR HUMANISM An organization promoting black secular humanism and uncovering the history of black freethought. They publish a quarterly newsletter, AAH EXAMINER. Write to: Norm R. Allen, Jr., African Americans for Humanism, P.O. Box 664, Buffalo, NY 14226. United Kingdom Rationalist Press Association National Secular Society 88 Islington High Street 702 Holloway Road London N1 8EW London N19 3NL 071 226 7251 071 272 1266 British Humanist Association South Place Ethical Society 14 Lamb's Conduit Passage Conway Hall London WC1R 4RH Red Lion Square 071 430 0908 London WC1R 4RL fax 071 430 1271 071 831 7723 The National Secular Society publish ""The Freethinker"", a monthly magazine founded in 1881. Germany IBKA e.V. Internationaler Bund der Konfessionslosen und Atheisten Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. IBKA publish a journal: MIZ. (Materialien und Informationen zur Zeit. Politisches Journal der Konfessionslosesn und Atheisten. Hrsg. IBKA e.V.) MIZ-Vertrieb, Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. For atheist books, write to: IBDK, Internationaler B""ucherdienst der Konfessionslosen Postfach 3005, D-3000 Hannover 1. Germany. Telephone: 0511/211216 Books -- Fiction THOMAS M. DISCH ""The Santa Claus Compromise"" Short story. The ultimate proof that Santa exists. All characters and events are fictitious. Any similarity to living or dead gods -- uh, well... WALTER M. MILLER, JR ""A Canticle for Leibowitz"" One gem in this post atomic doomsday novel is the monks who spent their lives copying blueprints from ""Saint Leibowitz"", filling the sheets of paper with ink and leaving white lines and letters. EDGAR PANGBORN ""Davy"" Post atomic doomsday novel set in clerical states. The church, for example, forbids that anyone ""produce, describe or use any substance containing... atoms"". PHILIP K. DICK Philip K. Dick Dick wrote many philosophical and thought-provoking short stories and novels. His stories are bizarre at times, but very approachable. He wrote mainly SF, but he wrote about people, truth and religion rather than technology. Although he often believed that he had met some sort of God, he remained sceptical. Amongst his novels, the following are of some relevance: ""Galactic Pot-Healer"" A fallible alien deity summons a group of Earth craftsmen and women to a remote planet to raise a giant cathedral from beneath the oceans. When the deity begins to demand faith from the earthers, pot-healer Joe Fernwright is unable to comply. A polished, ironic and amusing novel. ""A Maze of Death"" Noteworthy for its description of a technology-based religion. ""VALIS"" The schizophrenic hero searches for the hidden mysteries of Gnostic Christianity after reality is fired into his brain by a pink laser beam of unknown but possibly divine origin. He is accompanied by his dogmatic and dismissively atheist friend and assorted other odd characters. ""The Divine Invasion"" God invades Earth by making a young woman pregnant as she returns from another star system. Unfortunately she is terminally ill, and must be assisted by a dead man whose brain is wired to 24-hour easy listening music. MARGARET ATWOOD ""The Handmaid's Tale"" A story based on the premise that the US Congress is mysteriously assassinated, and fundamentalists quickly take charge of the nation to set it ""right"" again. The book is the diary of a woman's life as she tries to live under the new Christian theocracy. Women's right to own property is revoked, and their bank accounts are closed; sinful luxuries are outlawed, and the radio is only used for readings from the Bible. Crimes are punished retroactively: doctors who performed legal abortions in the ""old world"" are hunted down and hanged. Atwood's writing style is difficult to get used to at first, but the tale grows more and more chilling as it goes on. VARIOUS AUTHORS ""The Bible"" This somewhat dull and rambling work has often been criticized. However, it is probably worth reading, if only so that you'll know what all the fuss is about. It exists in many different versions, so make sure you get the one true version. Books -- Non-fiction PETER DE ROSA ""Vicars of Christ"", Bantam Press, 1988 Although de Rosa seems to be Christian or even Catholic this is a very enlighting history of papal immoralities, adulteries, fallacies etc. (German translation: ""Gottes erste Diener. Die dunkle Seite des Papsttums"", Droemer-Knaur, 1989) MICHAEL MARTIN ""Atheism: A Philosophical Justification"", Temple University Press, Philadelphia, USA. A detailed and scholarly justification of atheism. Contains an outstanding appendix defining terminology and usage in this (necessarily) tendentious area. Argues both for ""negative atheism"" (i.e. the ""non-belief in the existence of god(s)"") and also for ""positive atheism"" (""the belief in the non-existence of god(s)""). Includes great refutations of the most challenging arguments for god; particular attention is paid to refuting contempory theists such as Platinga and Swinburne. 541 pages. ISBN 0-87722-642-3 (hardcover; paperback also available) ""The Case Against Christianity"", Temple University Press A comprehensive critique of Christianity, in which he considers the best contemporary defences of Christianity and (ultimately) demonstrates that they are unsupportable and/or incoherent. 273 pages. ISBN 0-87722-767-5 JAMES TURNER ""Without God, Without Creed"", The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, MD, USA Subtitled ""The Origins of Unbelief in America"". Examines the way in which unbelief (whether agnostic or atheistic) became a mainstream alternative world-view. Focusses on the period 1770-1900, and while considering France and Britain the emphasis is on American, and particularly New England developments. ""Neither a religious history of secularization or atheism, Without God, Without Creed is, rather, the intellectual history of the fate of a single idea, the belief that God exists."" 316 pages. ISBN (hardcover) 0-8018-2494-X (paper) 0-8018-3407-4 GEORGE SELDES (Editor) ""The great thoughts"", Ballantine Books, New York, USA A ""dictionary of quotations"" of a different kind, concentrating on statements and writings which, explicitly or implicitly, present the person's philosophy and world-view. Includes obscure (and often suppressed) opinions from many people. For some popular observations, traces the way in which various people expressed and twisted the idea over the centuries. Quite a number of the quotations are derived from Cardiff's ""What Great Men Think of Religion"" and Noyes' ""Views of Religion"". 490 pages. ISBN (paper) 0-345-29887-X. RICHARD SWINBURNE ""The Existence of God (Revised Edition)"", Clarendon Paperbacks, Oxford This book is the second volume in a trilogy that began with ""The Coherence of Theism"" (1977) and was concluded with ""Faith and Reason"" (1981). In this work, Swinburne attempts to construct a series of inductive arguments for the existence of God. His arguments, which are somewhat tendentious and rely upon the imputation of late 20th century western Christian values and aesthetics to a God which is supposedly as simple as can be conceived, were decisively rejected in Mackie's ""The Miracle of Theism"". In the revised edition of ""The Existence of God"", Swinburne includes an Appendix in which he makes a somewhat incoherent attempt to rebut Mackie. J. L. MACKIE ""The Miracle of Theism"", Oxford This (posthumous) volume contains a comprehensive review of the principal arguments for and against the existence of God. It ranges from the classical philosophical positions of Descartes, Anselm, Berkeley, Hume et al, through the moral arguments of Newman, Kant and Sidgwick, to the recent restatements of the classical theses by Plantinga and Swinburne. It also addresses those positions which push the concept of God beyond the realm of the rational, such as those of Kierkegaard, Kung and Philips, as well as ""replacements for God"" such as Lelie's axiarchism. The book is a delight to read - less formalistic and better written than Martin's works, and refreshingly direct when compared with the hand-waving of Swinburne. JAMES A. HAUGHT ""Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness"", Prometheus Books Looks at religious persecution from ancient times to the present day -- and not only by Christians. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-64079. 1990. NORM R. ALLEN, JR. ""African American Humanism: an Anthology"" See the listing for African Americans for Humanism above. GORDON STEIN ""An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism"", Prometheus Books An anthology covering a wide range of subjects, including 'The Devil, Evil and Morality' and 'The History of Freethought'. Comprehensive bibliography. EDMUND D. COHEN ""The Mind of The Bible-Believer"", Prometheus Books A study of why people become Christian fundamentalists, and what effect it has on them. Net Resources There's a small mail-based archive server at mantis.co.uk which carries archives of old alt.atheism.moderated articles and assorted other files. For more information, send mail to archive-server@mantis.co.uk saying help send atheism/index and it will mail back a reply. mathew ÿ " 10628,18,"From: schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu (Erich Schwarz) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Hillary and Chealsea Don't Like Men in Uniform Organization: CalTech, Div. of Biology Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: anise.bio.caltech.edu In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) wrote: > Top Ten Reasons Hillary and Chealsea Don't Like Men in Uniform > ^^^^^^^^ > [...] > > 6. They keep saluting and stuff. Its embarassing. > ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ > [...] > Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 Ed: Before you ridicule the intelligence of other people, LEARN TO SPELL. Your typographical errors are, indeed, ""embarassing"" to those of us who read alt.politics.libertarian for its allegedly superior ideas and writing. --Erich Schwarz / schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu " 10629,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: <>Look, I'm not the one that made those Nazi comparisons. Other people >>compared what the religious people are doing now to Nazi Germany. They >>have said that it started out with little things (but no one really knew >>about any of these ""little"" things, strangely enough) and grew to bigger >>things. They said that the motto is but one of the little things >You just contradicted yourself. The motto is one of those little things that >nobody has bothered mentiopning to you, huh? The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. They said that these were things that everyone should know, and that they weren't going to waste their time repeating them. Sounds to me like no one knew, either. I looked in some books, but to no avail. >>that is >>going to pave the way for other ""intrusions."" Of course, if the motto >>hasn't caused problems in its 40 year history, then I doubt it is going to... >It *has* caused problems. You just ignore every instance when someone >describes one to you. It has *caused* problems? Again, no one has shown that things were better before the motto, or that they'd likely be better after. I don't think the motto initiates any sort of harassment. Harassment will occur whether or not the motto is present. keith " 10630,13,"From: mossman@cea.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: CEA Lines: 31 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mania.cea.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes: |> |> Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to |> try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a |> girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant |> syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different |> dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went |> home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. |> I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in |> my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm |> not allergic to anything that I know of. |> |> Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am |> physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is* |> a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer |> through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. |> I haven't gotten sick yet. |> |> -- I had a similar reaction to Chinese food but came to a completly different conclusion. I've eaten Chinese food for ages and never had problems. I went with some Chinese Malaysian friends to a swanky Chinses rest. and they ordered lots of stuff I had never seen before. The only thing I can remember of that meal was the first course, scallops served in the shell with a soy-type sauce. I thought, ""Well, I've only had scallops once and I was sick after but that could have been a coincidence"". That night as I sat on the bathroom floor, sweating and emptying my stomach the hard way, I decided I would never touch another scallop. I may not be allergic but I don't want to take the chance. Amy Mossman " 10631,15,"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 19 In article trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, > Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic > quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, > thus all must be true... Yep. There's truth in all those religions, even in science. Christianity doesn't claim to know it all. It does claim certain things are true though that contradict other religions' truth claims. So they can't all be true. ------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Steele In coming to understand anything MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they 244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. 617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis " 10632,18,"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 19 tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: |>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the |>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights. |I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been |convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite |sufficient. What evidence are you aware of. What was reported in the media, or all of the evidence that was presented at the trial. This sounds to me a lot like the first Rodney King 5 trial. A bunch of people who saw 10 to 15 seconds out of a several minute long video, decided that they knew more than people who had sat through a two week trial. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com " 10633,2,"Subject: DOS 6.) From: darren.lavallee@cld9.sccsi.com (Darren Lavallee) Distribution: world Organization: C-9 Comm. (CloudNine BBS) 713-855-4382 Lines: 11 @EID:B486 85210000 I have a 120 mb hard drive. What should I set the compression ratio at using DOS'S double disk? Do I have to format erase everything to double the full 120 mb to 240? Can I just make a mirror of my hard drive? Thanx 4 the help! Darren Lavallee --- WM v2.08/92-0279 * Origin: 705-256-CSRN 35,000+ FILES, 6 Lines, INTERNET/USENET, 1(1:222 " 10634,10,From: khettry@r1w2.pub.utk.edu (23064RFL) Subject: Testing !! Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Distribution: utk Lines: 6 Just Testing !!! No flames please ! Bye 10635,18,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: hard times investments was: (no subject given) Article-I.D.: usenet.1prvpu$mn9 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) says: > > I don't believe in the ""Wave Theory"". You don't have to. *It* believes in YOU. >horses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock >in my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible. Well, looking at our new government pals, I'm inclined to agree. I don't much believe in our money, either. :) > Maybe you'd like to invest in some foreign currency. Oh, ho HO! If only you knew! :) Yup, I'm DEFINITELY checking out foreign currency, thanks to to this newsgroup. It sure doesn't take much thinking to realize what direction the U.S. is headed. > (Sigh - speculators never learn.) Oh, ho HO! Speculator?! Me?! No, no, I'm going with a sure thing. Sure as ""Bust in California Real Estate"". :) " 10636,4,"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i Organization: Stanford University Lines: 45 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1ps8d7INNrc0@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes: > >In article , bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes: >> In article , ""Donpaul C. Stephens"" >> wrote: >> > >> > What is the difference? >> > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May >> > >> > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only >> > what is the best? >> >> Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed. >> As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS) >> You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions. >> It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other >> manufacturer >> >> Christian Bauer >> >> bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de > > > I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average >access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM >drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models. > >- Chung Yang > The Toshiba has a 200ms access time, the NEC has a 280ms access time, right around the Sony/Apple. Access time is, of course, somewhat important, but not as vital in the case of CDs as data transfer rate. All the drives are double-speed drives with maximum data transfer rates of 300K/second. Any is a good choice. Apple's is very cheap when included with new Macs and I agree with Christian's comment about drivers. Plus, Apple's is bootable on the Centris and Quadra 800. A very nice feature if you need to install System software. I don't know if the NEC or Toshiba are bootable on those machines. Mark " 10637,12,"From: Sean_Oliver@mindlink.bc.ca (Sean Oliver) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 28 > Joseph Mich Krzeszewsk writes: > > Msg-ID: <1quomg$f6m@bigboote.WPI.EDU> > Posted: 19 Apr 1993 17:49:04 GMT > > Org. : Worcester Polytechnic Institute > > Well, this is my second try at posting on this subject. Here goes... > In Texas (Corpus Christi at least) if you pick up the phone and > dial > 890 the phone company will read the number of the phone you are on > back to you. I believe the service department uses this to make > certain they are repairing the correct lines when they open the BIG > junction boxes. I don't know if it will work but you can give it a > try. Good luck. > > Where I live, I use BCTEL. The number to dial is 211 for the same result. -- +--------------------------------------------+ | Sean Oliver | | Internet Address: a8647@MINDLINK.BC.CA | | | | Mindlink! BBS (604)576-1412 | +--------------------------------------------+ " 10638,0,"Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 27 In article , chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) writes... >jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: > >>My syllogism is of the form: >>A is B. >>C is A. >>Therefore C is B. > >>This is a logically valid construction. > >>Your syllogism, however, is of the form: >>A is B. >>C is B. >>Therefore C is A. > >>Therefore yours is a logically invalid construction, >>and your comments don't apply. If all of those are ""is""'s of identity, both syllogisms are valid. If, however, B is a predicate, then the second syllogism is invalid. (The first syllogism, as you have pointed out, is valid--whether B is a predicate or designates an individual.) Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 " 10639,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian Organization: Florida State University Lines: 27 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes: > ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and > quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying > to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful > to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other > relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would > like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological > works intended for a lay person? I won't even recommend books from my congregation. What you ask sounds attractive but it is dangerous. As a new Christian you don't want to be contaminated with other people's interpretation. Steep your self in scripture, and discuss with other christians. Read if your must but remember that what other people write is their interpretation. God has promised to give you light, so ask for it. > I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated > with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria > should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference > between the various Protestant denominations. Don't wait too long before attaching yourself to church. Just remember to always compare what they teach you with scripture like the Bereans did. Darius " 10640,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 40 >> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun- >> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters? There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year. The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500 fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of ""self-inflicted gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters"" is probably well under 250 per year. >>If you fall, for example, >> and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow, the gun will discharge. Handguns designs have included a ""hammer block"" since around 1960 or earlier. This is a metal part which physically seperates the cartridge and the firing pin: Even under impact, the gun cannot fire. The hammer block is connected to the trigger and is pulled out of the way as the trigger is pulled. As a result, modern pistols can fire _only_ if the trigger is pulled (or in some cases, if they are cocked by hand and then dropped.) >> The number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of >> deaths caused by animal attacks or ""wacko"" attacks combined. I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only 2.1% of the murders were killings by ""wacko""s, you would be wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the accidents you are worried about. (These figures, by the way, are from the FBI's ""Uniform Crime Report"" for 1990. I'll stop by a library tomorrow and look at the ""National Crime Victimization Survey"", which is more specific about where and when the crimes occured.) Frank Crary CU Boulder " 10641,15,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 240 Larry L. Overacker writes, responding to Simon: I may be interesting to see some brief selections posted to the net. My understanding is that SSPX does not consider ITSELF in schism or legitimately excommunicated. But that's really beside the point. What does the Roman Catholic church say? Excommunication can be real apart from formal excommunication, as provided for in canon law. Here's some of the theology involved for the interested. There is confusion over this issue of the SSPX's ""schism""; often the basic problem is lack of an ability to distinguish between: - true obedience - false obedience - disobedience - schism Take the various classifications of obedience first. There are 2 important elements involved here for my purposes: 1) a command 2) the response made to the command As far as the command goes, commands can be LEGITIMATE, such as the Pope ordering Catholics to not eat meat on Fridays. Or they can be ILLEGITIMATE, such as the Pope ordering Catholics to worship the god Dagon when every other full moon comes around. As far as the response to a command goes, it can be to REFUSE to do what is commanded, or to COMPLY. Making a table, there are thus 4 possibilites: command response name ----------------------------------------------------- LEGITIMATE COMPLY true obedience ILLEGITIMATE REFUSE true obedience LEGITIMATE REFUSE disobedience ILLEGITIMATE COMPLY false obedience So now you see where my 3 classifications of obedience come from. Obedience is not solely a matter of compliance/refusal. The nature of the commands must also be taken into account; it is not enough to consider someone's compliance or refusal and then say whether they are ""obedient"" or ""disobedient"". You also have to take into consideration whether the commands are good or bad. In my example, if the Pope commands all Catholics to worship the god Dagon, and they all refuse, they aren't being disobedient at all! As far as the Society of Saint Pius X goes, they are certainly refusing to comply with certain things the Pope desires. But that alone is insufficient to allow one to label them ""disobedient"". You also have to consider the nature of the Papal desires. And there's the rub: SSPX says the Popes since Vatican II have been commanding certain very bad things for the Church. The Popes have of course disagreed. So where are we? Are we in another Arian heresy, complete with weak Popes? Or are the SSPX priests modern Martin Luthers? Well, the only way to answer that is to examine who is saying what, and what the traditional teaching of the Church is. The problem here is that very few Catholics have much of an idea of what is really going on, and what the issues are. The religion of American Catholics is especially defective in intellectual depth. You will never read about the issues being discussed in the Catholic press in this country. (On the other hand, one Italian Catholic magazine I get -- 30 Days -- has had interviews with the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X.) Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually some Pope *will* straighten all this out. But, on the other hand, there is also unsoundness in this, in that, in the short term, the Popes may indeed be wrong, and such Catholics are doing nothing to help the situation by obeying them where they're wrong. In fact, if the situation is grave enough, they sin in obeying him. At the very least, they're wasting a great opportunity, because they are failing to love Christ in a heroic way at the very time that He needs this badly. Schism... let's move on to schism. What is it? Schism is a superset of disobedience (refusal to obey a legitimate command). All schismatics are disobedient. But it's a superset, so it doesn't work the other way around: not all disobeyers are schismatics. The mere fact that the SSPX priests don't comply with the Holy Father's desires doesn't make them schismatics. So what is it that must be added to disobedience to constitute a schism? Maybe this something else makes the SSPX priests schismatics. You must add this: the rejection of the right to command. Look in any decent reference on Catholic theology, and that's what you'll find: the distinguishing criterion of schism is rejection of the right to command. Here's what the Catholic Encyclopedia says, for example: ... not every disobedience is a schism; in order to possess this character it must include besides the trangression of the commands of superiors, denial of their Divine right to command. (from the CE article ""Schism"") Is the Society of Saint Pius X then schismatic? The answer is a clear no: they say that the Pope is their boss. They pray for him every day. And that's all that matters as far as schism goes. What all this boils down to is this: if we leave aside the consideration of the exact nature of their objections, their position is a legitimate one, as far as the Catholic theology of obedience and schism goes. They are resisting certain Papal policies because they think that they are clearly contrary to the traditional teaching of the Papacy, and the best interests of the Church. (In fact, someone who finds himself in this situation has a *duty* to resist.) Now, what is the stance of Rome on all this? Well, if you read the Holy Father's motu proprio ""Ecclesia Dei"", you can find out. It's the definitive document on the subject. A motu proprio is a specifically Papal act. It's not the product of a Roman congregation, a letter that the Pope has possibly never even read. It's from the Pope himself. His boss is God... there's no one else to complain to. In this document, the Holy Father says, among other things: 1) The episcopal consecrations performed by Archbishop Lefebvre constituted a schismatic act. 2) Archbishop Lefebvre's problem was a misunderstanding of the nature of Tradtion. Both are confusing: I fail to see the logic of the Pope's points. As far as the episcopal consecrations go, I read an interesting article in a translation of the Italian magazine ""Si Si No No"". It all gets back to the question of jurisdiction. If episcopal consecrations imply rejection of the Pope's jurisdiction, then they would truly constitute a schismatic act, justifying excommunication under the current code of canon law. But my problem with this is this: according to the traditional theology of Holy Orders, episcopal consecration does not confer jurisdiction. It only confers the power of Order: the ability to confect the Sacraments. Jurisdiction must be conferred by someone else with the power to confer it (such as the Pope). The Society bishops, knowing the traditional theology quite well, take great pains to avoid any pretence of jurisdiction over anyone. They simply confer those Sacraments that require a bishop. The ""Si Si No No"" article was interesting in that it posited that the reason that the Pope said what he did is that he has a novel, post-Vatican II idea of Holy Orders. According to this idea, episcopal consecration *does* confer jurisdiction. I lent the article to a friend, unfortunately, so can't tell you more. I believe they quoted the new code of canon law in support of this idea. The Pope's thinking on this point remains a great puzzle to me. There's no way there is a schism, according to traditional Catholic theology. So why does the Pope think this? As far as the points regarding the nature of Tradition goes, here's the passage in question: The root of this schismatic act can be discerned in an incomplete and contradictory notion of Tradtion. Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into the account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. There is a growth in insight into the realities and words that are being passed on. This comes about in various ways. It comes through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts. It comes from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which they experience. And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the espiscopate, the sure charism of truth. But especially contradictory is a notion of Tradition which opposes the universal Magisterium of the Church possessed by the Bishop of Rome and the body of bishops. It is impossible to remain faithful to the Tradition while breaking the ecclesial bond with him to whom, in the person of the Apostle Peter, Christ himself entrusted the ministry of unity in His Church. (Papal motu proprio ""Ecclesia Dei"", 2 July 1988) It seems to me that the Holy Father is making two points here that can be simplified to the following: - Vatican Council II has happened. - I am the Pope. The argument being that either case is sufficient to prove that Archbishop Lefebvre must be wrong, because he disagrees with them. This is weak, to say the least! It would have helped clarify things more if the Pope had addressed Archbishop Lefebvre's concerns in detail. What is John Paul II's stand on the social Kingship of Christ, as taught by Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XI and Pius XII, for example? Are we supposed to ignore what all these Popes said on the subject? I don't know what the future will hold, but the powers that be in the SSPX are still talking with Rome and trying to straighten things out. -------------------------------------------------------------- [Many people would prefer to call a justified refusal to obey ""justified disobedience"" or even ""obeying God rather than man"". Calling a refusal to obey obedience puts us into a sort of Alice in Wonderland world where words mean whatever we want them to mean. Similarly, schism indicates a formal break in the church. If the Pope says that a schism exists, it seems to me that by definition it exists. It may be that the Pope is on the wrong side of the break, that there is no good reason for the break to exist, and that it will shortly be healed. But how can one deny that it does in fact exist? It seems to me that you are in grave danger of destroying the thing you are trying to reform: the power of the papacy. What good will it do you if you become reconciled to the the Pope in the future, but in the process, you have destroyed his ability to use the tools of church discipline? It's one thing to hold that the Pope has misused his powers, and excommunicated someone wrongly. It's something else to say that his excommunication did not take effect, and the schism is all in his imagination. That means that acts of church discipline are not legal tools, but acts whose validity is open to debate. Generally it has been liberal Catholics who have had problems with the Pope. While they have often objected to church sanctions, generally they have admitted that the sanctions exist. You are now opening the door to people simply ignoring papal decisions, claiming to be truly obeying by disobeying, and to be in communion while excommunicated. This would seem to be precisely the denial of Divine right to command that you say defines schism. --clh] " 10642,7,"From: sylveste@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Lines: 24 In article , eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: > In article <1q34huINNjrv@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: >> Subarus don't sell that well, although the percentage of Subes purchased >> with AWD is probably relatively high. > > 56% of all subarus sold are 4wd/awd. > >> Audi is backing down on the number >> of models it offers with AWD. Before, one could purchase an 80 or 90 with >> AWD, but now it is reserved strictly for the top line model; the same goes >> for the 100/200. > > the 80/80Q has been eliminated from the US lineup, but the 90 is still > available in quattro version, though it is hardly cheap. they are > still true to their pledge of making 4wd an option on their entire > line of cars. now, if only they will bring in the s4 wagon.. > > eliot Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v. This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon. Very rare also. Mike Sylvester Umass " 10643,17,"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr20.131336@IASTATE.EDU>, oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> > In article , oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) OY] Henrik (?), OY] Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not OY] going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. Good !! Go back to your references and read it over and over ... OY] If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references OY] on the issue. Just send me EMail for that. You think I am that STUPID to ask you for REFERENCES ! NOT ! I have many GREEK friends that I could ask for the INFO if I needed. I have already read many articles and DO NOT need your help. Boy, how generous !! OY] Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you, OY] assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may OY] not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more OY] easily. !:-) Believe me, I am so relaxed ... henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one [OY] No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that. IF Armenia is goint to do that, then so be it. henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. OY] Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid OY] inspection??? All I am saying is that the plane that was SEARCHED was an AMERICAN and why Turkey DID NOT TRUST the U.S. that it was mainly HUMANITARIAN AID CARGO. " 10644,9,"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu In article craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter) writes: >Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 > >Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan, >I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember >completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the >world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe >the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Lots >of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome. >It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football >even when it's snowing and raining. > >-Craig > >I'm sure the company for which I work does not have all the same opinions >that I do... The event that had the most impact on Gaetti's career was his leg injury in 1988. His performance dropped radically from 1988 to 1989. He was still with the Twins in 1989 and 1990, but if you look at his stats (both offensive and defensive), he never has come back to his pre-injury level. Brendan " 10645,7,"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.171209.13913 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 15 In article <1pq8tkINNbek@chester.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes: > >Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives >didn't carry purses? :-) > > >Beth > My wife rarely carries a purse, so all of her crap ends up in my pockets! -- Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA " 10646,16,"From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) Subject: Re: Armed Citizen - April '93 Nntp-Posting-Host: hound Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.162304.16721@lds.loral.com>, kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) writes: |> In article <1993Apr5.164728.10847@dazixco.ingr.com> crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com writes: |> > |> >THE ARMED CITIZEN |> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |> >Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents |> >crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The |> >Armed Citizen. |> |> Perhaps so, but note that of the accounts cited, there was only |> one in which no shot was fired. Of the other twelve, five |> described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot, |> and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a |> shot. And, had not these citizens accepted the moral responsibility to protect their own lives, there could well have been at least 13 innocent victims lying dead and several criminals still out walking the streets perpetrating their crimes on others. -- ************************************************************** * Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * * Senior Customer Engineer * * Intergraph Electronics * * 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * * Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * ************************************************************** " 10647,15,"From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) Subject: Re: christians and aids Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 94 Paul Conditt writes: >Yes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences, >and that ""rules"" were made for our own good. But to suggest that a >*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is >taking things much too far. [text deleted] >Yes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real* >careful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for >sin. I wish that you had followed this thread before jumping to conclusions. I haven't seen anybody write that AIDS was a *punishment* for certain types of sin (this includes Mark Ashley who you were responding to here). I myself wrote that when you don't do things God's way that curses will come on you and others. Although one definition of 'curse' is 'retribution', I only meant 'harm or misfortune' when I used the word. Because God loves us he has told us the best way to live in his Bible. God doesn't cause curses, he warns us of them. Kevin Davis wrote (a while ago): >Last week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of >other stuff, yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with >AIDs. To even suggest that AIDS is ""deserved"" is ludicrous. The Bible makes it clear that we all equally deserve death (which is much worse than AIDS) -- we have all hurt God with our sin. Paul Conditt reveals his feelings: >In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when >I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and >phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other >socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through >their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus... The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is ""obvious""ly wrong to be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was ""forgive them Father, they know not what they do."" Knowing how forgiving Jesus has been with me calls me to be more forgiving with everyone out of love for Him. Please don't give in to anger, it will only cause foolish quarrels and more bad feelings. It's okay if you read something that bothers you, but you need to address it in a loving way. If right now, I felt like someone out there was saying that God punishes gay or sexually immoral people with AIDS because they deserve punishment that others don't then I would frame a response something like this: ""It makes me feel very sad for someone to believe that AIDS, which is simply a harmful disease not so unlike any other, is God's punishment for people who have committed certain sins. God loves all of his children equally and rejoices when a single one comes back to him. We will all be judged after we die, but until then we all have the opportunity to accept God's grace by earnestly seeking after him with all of our hearts, believing the gospel's testimony, repenting of our sin, confessing that Jesus is Lord at baptism, and living a new life for him. Let us not judge someone to be eternally condemned. God's arm is not to short to save. He will do anything he can to move a hardened heart or a misled person. He works for the good of all men. Even through the worst of situations, he has set the times and places for all men that they may perhaps reach out and find him."" The second issue you bring up is seeing people rationalize their fears of people with AIDS. Fortunately, what you describe as seeing is actually misperceiving. You have been missing the points made in the earlier posts and reacting in anger to attitudes that haven't been expressed. I know that its sometimes hard to discount your perceptions, but please try to be open-minded. You are quite correct in saying that we should reach out to all people because they all need Jesus. This is what my brothers and sisters and I do on a daily basis. If you would like to send me the name of the city and state you live in, I will find and get you in touch with some brothers who have AIDS or know people with AIDS and live nearby you so that you can see the loving attitudes for yourself. The third issue you bring up is the importance of how some individual contracted AIDS. How someone gets AIDS is only relevant to their salvation in that there may be repetence involved. The important point to be made, however, is that not listening to God's commands (or advice or warnings), i.e. sinning, causes harm or misfortune to yourself and others. For this reason, a good way to prevent the misfortune of AIDS, which can be transmitted in sinful ways, is to listen to God's advice and have sex only with your wife or husband. I hope that you are feeling better now, Paul. Love, Aaron Cardenas " 10648,15,"From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) Subject: Re: The Bible available in every language (was Re: SATANIC TOUNGES) Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no Organization: delab Lines: 31 In article koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes: > [ ... about tongues ... ] > The concept of tongues as used at Pentecost seems an outdated concept > now. With the Bible available in nearly every language, and missionaries > who are out there in ALL languages, why does the church need tongues? I guess there are at least some people who are not able to support this claim. There are still a lot of languages without the Bible, or a part of the Bible. There are still many languages which we are not able to write, simply because the written version of the language has not yet been defined! I guess this is one of the main goals for Wycliffe Bible Translators: To define rules and a grammar for writing the 'rest' of the languages of this world. I do not see that any of them will have any reason to become unemployed during the foreseeable future. (Provided they get their neccessary support!) And still they are one of the 3 largest missionary organizations of the world. Bjorn -- ______________________________________________________________________ s-mail: e-mail: | | | Bjorn B. Larsen bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no |__ |__ | SINTEF DELAB | \| \| N-7034 TRONDHEIM tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600 |__/|__/|_ NORWAY fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302 ______________________________________________________________________ " 10649,7,"From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn) Subject: Waxing a new car Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 18 Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I have just taken delivery on a new GM car (Firebird) with a clearcoat finish. I assume that it is probably urethane since the industry has moved in that direction in paints. In years past, it used to be recommended that owners wait up to 60 days before you wax a car, for the paint to ""cure."" The dealer shop manager said this also, but I'm not sure that he wasn't just basing it on past tradition. Does anyone know if this is still a recommended practice, or is it better to go ahead and wax right away (non-abrasive new car wax) with the newer finishes? -- Terry Quinn Germantown Hills, IL tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu from Compuserve . . . >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu " 10650,1,"From: george@ccmail.larc.nasa.gov (George M. Brown) Subject: Re: PCX Organization: Client Specific Systems, Inc. Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: thrasher.larc.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr14.220100.17867@freenet.carleton.ca> ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle) writes: >From: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle) >Subject: PCX >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 22:01:00 GMT > >Hello > HELP!!! please > I am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming > and I am having some problems finding algorithms and code > to teach me how to do some stuff.. > > 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how > to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? > > 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board > so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 > 800x600x256 > 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? > >Thanks very much ! > >send reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet > >Peace be >Blessed be >Stephen Palm A book that I can somewhat recommend is : Pratical Image Processing in C by Craig A. Lindley published by Wiley It addresses reading/writing to/from PCX/TIFF files; image acquisition, manipulation and storage; and has source code in the book. The source is primarily written in Turbo C and naturally has conversion possibilities. I have converted some of it to Quick C. Naturally, the code has some problems in the book - as usuall. Typos, syntax, etc. are problems. It can be a good learning experience for someone who is studying C. There is also a companion disk with source available for order and $50.00. Overall, the book is not bad. I acquired the book at WaldenSoftware. " 10651,15,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: harrassed at work, could use some prayers Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 22 i'd just like to repeat and emphasize that because someone else is trying to make you feel horrible and worthless does not mean that you should feel that way, although that's easier to say than believe sometimes. remember, God made you and loves you, so he must think you're something special. (excuse the trite language here.) also, the bully may just be someone who is mean for no reason -- not out of intentional mental torture. has anyone else been harassed? maybe they're just not talking about it. i would have emailed but my reactions weren't fast enough and the post i'm responding to didn't include your address. just take courage and remember that all of us on the net are rooting for you. take care! vera _______________________________________________________________________________ Hand over hand noye@midway.uchicago.edu Doesn't seem so much (Vera Noyes) Hand over hand Is the strength of the common touch drop me a line if you're in the mood - Rush, ""Hand Over Fist"" _______________________________________________________________________________ " 10652,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Distribution: usa Lines: 33 Yes, Take Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit. Go south on 48 about 2-1/2 miles. Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road. The hamvention is at the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north side of the Road. Parking at the arena is limited. Lodging is probably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius. Good luck. | | 48 I75 | | ----------I70----------....--------- | | | | X | | (mall) --------| | S. Springs | It is possible to park at the mall to the west. There are shuttle busses running between the arena and the mall. If possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA office. It should be free if you are an AAA member. If you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly good time to start to think about going to the hamvention. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 10653,15,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 34 In article , ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) writes: > I think you are vastly oversimplifying things. We know that early Christians > suffered totures because of their witness to Christ. For example: [ ACT 5:40 - 41 ] > It appears that the Jewish rulers of that time had a particular aversion > to even hearing Jesus's name. ... > Finally, the first apostle's death, James of Zebedee was certainly > not by Rome's hand any more than the first martyr Stephen. ... > The problem was that if one believed in the Resurrection, then one > must believe in Jesus as truly being the Son of God and what He > stood for and preached during His ministry on Earth. That would > have been extremely difficult for some people, especially those > that had plotted to kill Him. The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established. Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. What we need, therefore, is a reliable text, critically appreciated, which documents the death of Christians for belief in the Resurrection. I would suggest you look at some greek and roman historians. I think you will be disapointed. randy " 10654,16,"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr21.053035.29591@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: > In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: >> >> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. >> >> You sick bastard. >> -- >> >> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, >> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... >> > > Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said > that it was right to shoot ""THOSE kind"" of babies. However it was the Branch > Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their ""savior"" > (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that > what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their > lives for <<<>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's > who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and For goodness sake if they had fired a cruise missile at the compound more people would have come out alive. It was obvious to anyone with the remotest contact with reality that such an outcome was likely (not just possible) however the fire started. As, Mr Lawnmower, you seem to have already entered your own little virtual reality I guess you can't be expected to understand things in the real universe. -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** " 10655,11,"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: Clipper Crypto Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 26 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com Keywords: crypto, EFF I sent a response to the White House at 0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM (White House) and received a nice, automatic reply from MICMAIL noting, in passing, that if I had included a SNail address, I would get a reply in due course. For those who care, my reply was: 1. yes, let's protect the voice network 2. privately-developed crypto has always been available and always will be -- so let's think about how to do law enforcement given that fact not about how to hope to legislate against it 3. my needs for crypto as a system designer are not met by the Clipper Chip. I want freely to export uses of algorithms (like DES & RSA) which are already freely available in the destination country -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 " 10656,5,"From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 18 In article bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: > >I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for >the border of a window or for the ""user"" window. Maybe other window managers >have similar options. >Another way to figure out the difference between the ""user"" window position >and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their >positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager >decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only >figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped >this way. > Another way would be to use GetGeometry to find out where you are relative to the frame, and TranslateCoordinates to find out where your window's upperleft corner really is. -- Ethan " 10657,5,"From: kk@unisql.UUCP (Kerry Kimbrough) Subject: GUI Study -- do users want to build solutions? Organization: The Internet Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: visual.com!dbl@cs.utexas.edu Cc: expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert@cs.utexas.edu ...let me point out that both GUI-based word-processors and text-based formatters both have a language; one happens to be mouse- and action-based, and the other symbol-based. True, but that's beside the point. This is a fact about an abstract model of what the GUI users are doing, not about what they actually *are* doing. This abstract model is only apparent from the perpective of a *programmer* of the system. (NB: some users may see it, too, but only when they put aside the work at hand and start thinking like a programmer.) I'm not saying that the programmer's perspective is evil or stunted. After all, that's what I do, too! I am saying that UI designers must carefully distinguish between the user/programmer conceptual models, and they must ultimately serve the user of the system, not the builder of the system. I don't recall the actual stats, but something like 1 in 5 people can be categorized as a ""symbol manipulator"". It would be interesting to know more about the meaning and basis for this claim. At any rate, I don't think this is evidence that 20% of users think like programmers. Bankers, financial analysts, structural engineers --- these are all people whose work you could characterize as primarily symbol manipulation. But what they do is not programming, and programming is not required to do what they do. To restate my previous point: yes, users want to build their own solutions; no, they do not want to do programming to accomplish this. " 10658,19,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: O.T.O clarification Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article <79895@cup.portal.com>, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) wrote: > They are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of > sources. I've seen documentation which links them through the figure > of H. Spencer Lewis. Lewis was apparently involved with Reuss, who > was the O.H.O. of Ordo Templi Orientis for many years. Apparently it > is also true that Lewis had a charter to form an O.T.O. body and then > created A.M.O.R.C. (as a subsidiary? an interesting question). If anyone is interested in the history of AMORC, I do think Spencer Lewis published books about the beginning and his mission. The Alexandria bookstore (that's the name of the book store operated by AMORC) should have a selection that should provide the interested reader more insight). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 10659,0,"From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <1993Apr5.011255.7295@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes: >Now can we please use rec.scouting for the purpose for which it was >established? Clearly we netnews voters decided that we did not want to >provide a scouting newsgroup to give fringe groups a forum for their >anti-societal political views. Ok, this is the only thing I will comment on from Stan at this time... part of this forum we call rec.scouting is for policy discussions and related topics. This is a policy discussion, and involves related topics. this is not a ""fringe"" group discussion. obviously, it engenders strong feelings from all sides of the issues at hand. Wether a particular view is anti-societal or not is your opinion, and yours alone, don't try to make it seem otherwise. If you do not wish to engage in this discussion, use a kill file. If you wish to continue in this discussion, please do so, knowing full well the implications that apply. I know for myself that I plan on continuing with the discussion when i have the wish to have input. I for one am tired of people trying to say that this is not a matter significant for this group! It is, and quite so. Especially for those of us who feel the impact more closely. **************************************************************** * Dominick V. Zurlo * ""If the world's an * * WWW * oyster, why am I * * Eagle Scout '87 * allergic to Mollusks?"" * * blacklisted '88 * * **************************************************************** " 10660,9,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 18 >In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: > >It's Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he's not Jewish - he's Polish >(by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself, >is ""ston-KEV-itch"". all the sportscasters get it wrong) > Polish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive. -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com " 10661,8,"From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) Subject: Re: BMWMOA Controversy Distribution: usa Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Keywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.163043.12770@pb2esac.uucp> prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes: >In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: >>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: >>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. >> >> [...] while I agree with you that the current >>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash >>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? > >Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think? > >If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of >us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your >esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you >got to the above contretemps? > Now you know why I am just a DOD member. I like bikes and clubs but the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Tuba"" (Irwin) ""I honk therefore I am"" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org DoD #0826 (R75/6) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10662,5,"From: jigang@dale.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jigang Yang) Subject: icon pixmap problem... Keywords: icon, motif, openlook Nntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory Lines: 15 I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm. Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great. -- Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet 2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498 Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898 " 10663,6,"From: jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu (Jamie Fitzpatrick) Subject: Re: Photogrammetric Camera Keywords: photogrammetric Camera Organization: Adelphi University Lines: 20 Hello, While refurbishing our observatory I came across the above mentioned camera. It was manufactured by the Instrument Corporation of Florida ~ 1970. Now for my questions: 1) Does anyone have any knowledge of this equipement ? 2) Does anyone know of the company (phone numbers ?) ? 3) Are there any others out there...I need some parts. Any responces are greatly appreciated. take care, jamie jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu " 10664,10,"Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Did The Blues Pull It Out? Lines: 10 When I left, it was 4-3, Blues with 2:00 to go! As I predicted in ""@#$%! I was right in the first place!!!"" Blues in 6! YES!!! Of course it's only one game -- that could be the 'Hawks stab in the face to wake them up -- that's what playoffs are about, on any given day... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance...""-DG '89 " 10665,11,"From: bell@mars.dev.promis.com (Mike Bell) Subject: Clipper proposal - key length? Organization: Promis Systems Corp. Lines: 32 Danny Weitzner writes: >April 16, 1993 >INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL >DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: >ESCROW >The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom >hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device >would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow >agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it. So if we subvert one of the two escrow agents, we only have a 40-bit space to search through... 2^40 doesn't sound that big - is digital telephony subject to a known plaintext attack? In which case half the key seems to be all that is needed, and the two agent escrow arrangement is pointless. Of course, the unknown algorithm might turn gaps in speech into pseudo-random sequences, or there might be some magic involved, or... -- -- Mike -- " 10666,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Economics X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 14 >If all the ecomomists in the world were laid end to end . . . >Punchline #1: they would all point in different directions. >Punchline #2: they wouldn't reach a conclusion. Punchline #3: it would be a good idea just to leave them there. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10667,8,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Dr. Demento Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article <1993Mar31.194202.7809@cs.brown.edu> jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum) writes: > >I haven't heard Dr. Demento in years. Does anyone know if it >plays on any stations around Prov, RI (such as WBCN)? > >I'd love to pay for shipping and recording of the show too. The best Boring-Old-Farts prefer The Breeze, 97.9FM, Salt Lake City. Wonderfully catatonic. I wanted to take the whole station back with me in my flight bag. (Especially the girlie with the sexy voice who did the Morning Show.) " 10668,9,"From: jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman) Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Lines: 23 In article <15APR199312304021@pavo.concordia.ca>, m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!) wrote: > > In article <0096B0F0.C5DE05A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes... > >In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes: > >>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make > >>room for Harkey? > >>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL? > >>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info! > >>/=== > >>Ken > >>Cal Poly, Pomona > >> > > > >Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. > > > >rick The Cubs sent Boskie to Iowa to make room for Harkey. _______________ Jeff Eastman jaeastman@anl.gov _______________ " 10669,7,"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Distribution: na Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 21 In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >No. At six years, you are nearing the end of the design life of the >vehicle, when everything should be breaking. At that point, the >driving habits make more difference than the actual reliability >of the vehicle, so the data becomes unreliable for drawing conclusions, Bad driving habits can damage a car in a couple of months, not 6 years. If that were not the case, everyone would be driving fleet rental re-solds... And while you are considering things (factors in stat terms), how about city vs. highway driving ratios, owner vs. dealer service, extreme weather or environment, adherence (sp?) to maintenance schedules, whether the car has ever been in an accident, number of different drivers of the same car in a family, whether the car is garaged, warmed up, ... Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer] " 10670,17,"From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 6 I don't think Yigal and his friends have had as much fun for years, if ever, as they're getting over this ADL business. The publicity is likely to generate some speaker's fees, too. --Mark " 10671,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 36 In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: [KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. I am your alter-ego! [KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me? [KAAN] I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like what I write either prove me wrong, shut up, or simply fade away! [KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me? [KAAN] See ya in hell.. Wrong again! [KAAN] Timucin. All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place! Don't kill the messenger! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 10672,10,"From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) Subject: Re: Bridgman is out Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto Lines: 31 slacelle@gandalf.ca (Stephane Lacelle) writes: >The Ottwawa Senators fired Mel Bridgman at 1:00 PM today. >Randy Sexton is gonna replace him. Trashy move from a trashy organization. After the front office stated that nobody would lose their job over the Sens. poor performance, Bridgeman is gone within 24 hours of the teams final game. Yes...I know he screwed up letting the King's grab Loach. Sexton's qualifications (aside from being cheap)?? - he played some US college hockey, - he's pals with club president Bruce Firestone. Just the kind of experience you need when trying to build an expansion franchise. He'll probably be in the Hall of Fame next year! :-) This continues a tradition of front office gaffs: - Paul Anka and the arena deal - Denis Potvin and the GM postion - Mike Bossy and the scoring coach. How do people in Ottawa feel about how the club is being run?? >Stephane Lacelle Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu) " 10673,16,"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA ) Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 8 Re: Flaming wreckage I wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the BATF. Perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign? Ron Miller " 10674,16,"Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 26 Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) writes: > cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > > > >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use > >> on a warm day in Texas. > > > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. oh, i see. electricity is a natural right & our wonderful government would -never- cut off the power to the people they were besieging. are you really this dumb, or just acting like it for the sake of argument? jason -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` ""True love is better than anything, except cough drops."" `,` `,` - The Princess Bride (book), by William Goldman `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` " 10675,11,"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 67 In article kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes: >ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: > >>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? >[From Mike Godwin , posted with permission - Carl] >No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it >happens, evidence that will convict you is stored. > >The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law >suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn >over the key. > >The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to >be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example >I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can >be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum). >Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto >key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact >of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they >can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against >you. >--Mike Lets carry this one step further. Suppose the text of the key is in itself conclusive evidence of the SAME CRIME for which the encrypted material is further evidence. I find myself envisaging a scenario like this: You have made some scans of Peanuts strips. You encrypt them. The key is a phrase. The Comic Police haul you in. They seize your system. They find the encrypted file. CP: ""Whats that file?"" You: ""I take the fifth."" CP: ""What's the keyphrase to that file?"" You: ""I take the fifth."" Judge: ""You have to reveal the keyphrase"" [I disagree, but I'm not a judge.] You: ""Your Honor, revealing the keyphrase, in it's own right, would tend to incriminate me of breaking laws, independent of what may or may not be in the encrypted file."" Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key itself"" You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" Judge and CP: ""Oh."" How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org " 10676,15,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Babylon Book Offer Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 20 From time to time I have made reference to a book called ""The Two Babylons"" which is a book written by Alexander Hislop (mid 1800's) about the Babylonian mystery religion and its flight through history. I was unable to put it down the first time I read it, but others have found it dry. It has numberable references and illustrations. If you are interested in purchasing your own copy, you can call Moody Book Store @ (312)329-4352 and order it for $16.99 and they will ship it to you. It is a good book just to get the reference titles for your own digs into the mystery religions. I have found it invaluable for that purpose alone. But for those who only want to skim the subject, it comes highly recommended. Just a note to my RC brothers and sisters. You may find this to be a diatribe or you may find it to be a test to the origin and true nature of the origin of RCism. If you are offended by anything that asks hard questions about your denomination (as to whether or not it is ""Christian"") then perhaps you should just passover this offer. To those who are a little more adventurous, go for it and later, please contact me with you reasons pro or con on the scholorship of this book. I really would be interested. adelphoi ev Christos, Rex " 10677,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Quadras VRAM Question Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 39 Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Daniel Salber writes: >I have a question regarding Quadras VRAM. I have tried to find info on this >but I could not get precise answers. >On one hand, we have a Quadra 950 with a 16"" monitor, which is capable of >32-bit color. How much VRAM does it have? To display Millions of colors on a 16"" monitor you need 2MB of VRAM in the Q950. >On the other hand, we have a Quadra 800 with a 16"" monitor, which is capable >of 8-bit color only, so it must have 512 Ko of VRAM. Correct. This is the amount of on-board VRAM that the Q800 comes with. >I would like to take VRAM SIMMs for the 950 and put them in the 800 so that >both machines have 16-bit color capability. >Is it possible, and if yes, how many VRAM SIMMs should I take from the 950? Yes this is possible. Technically, you only need to take out 2 of the VRAM SIMMs but leaving in the other two will not get you anything because the 950 cannot really do anything with 1.5MB of VRAM. It only knows 1MB and 2MB. >From the documentation I have, the Quadra 800 must get 1 Mo VRAM to have >16-bit color, is that correct? Yes, this is correct. You get to 1MB by putting 2 256k VRAM SIMMs into the VRAM SIMM slots on the Q800's motherboard. >Bonus question: where do VRAM SIMMs hide? From the 950 documentation, they >seem to be *behind* the power supply. Do I really have to take off the power >supply to access the VRAM SIMMs? Yup. You have to take off the power supply. It's only a couple of screws so you should be ok. Just make sure that everything is disconnected from it and watch out for static discharges. " 10678,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START at 160MB I have NO idea. For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} 20MB $299 {$15/MB} 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} 120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB 210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} 320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} 510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} etc So scsi-1/SCSI-2 for the Mac goes down in price/MB as hard drive size goes up {and I assume the same for the PC world.} >I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented >data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better >(than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when >managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. Well SCSI is ALSO a FLOPPY drive interface. In the Mac {since SCSI is THE inteface for any non-card, non-modem, not-keyboard device} the id 7 is used for the floppy drive {called CPU in all identifiers.} This allows cross drive interfacing as fast as the OS, program, CPU, SCSI, and drive can handle it{this shows up best in the Quatra line}. In the IBM that uses SCSI for the FLOPPY drive this should happen as well. Also SCSI is NOT just drives but printers, scanners, expandsion cards {this showed up for the Plus as the NuBus 'Cage'}, CD-ROM, etc. IDE seems to be mainly hard drives. As for specs nobody has GIVEN me any and I can't find any. Besides the advertizments call IDE the AT interface {Make of that what you will} SCSI is a jack of all trades and IDE is a master of ONE. This alone puts SCSI above IDE. SCSI-2 blows IDE out of the water. Remember SCSI was used in high priced machines until about 18 months ago {When the Mac prices came down to Earth} so the Rule of Scale still played and SCSI remained high cost{cheap seems to mean chezzy in the High end computer world at times and THIS more than anything else proably kept SCSI off into the statosphere price wise} SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the standard for the most part. Of all the interface NeXT could have used it choose SCSI. In 16-bit and 32-bit mode SCSI is a multi-tasking OS desined interface while IDE and 8-bit SCSI are braindead run one program interfaces {at least the way mac use 8-bit SCSI.UGH} " 10679,4,"From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi) Subject: re: mac portable vs. powerbook 100 answers (?) Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI Lines: 8 Can the internal hard drive of the MacPortable upgraded to larger capacity? What is the specs? A 3-1/2"" drive? LPS model? Is there any third party modem greater than 2400 bps? With FAX option? P.S. I notice the MacPortable batteries are avalable thru the Apple Catalog. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org " 10680,7,"From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 43 In <1qideqINNl79@sumax.seattleu.edu> smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes: >Hey, NISSAN, why aren't you guys making any station wagons? You used >to make a wagon on every platform (SENTRA, STANZA, MAXIMA) and now >NONE AT ALL. In fact, they make some ,but they just don't sell them here in U.S. Sunny California is a 1.6l wagon based on Sentra. Avenil is a 2.0l 4WD/2WD wagon .(It looks like Infinity G20 but actually it's independently designed to be a wagon.I mean, it's not based on any sedans.) Nissan had better consider to sell them here. >After buying my SE-R and really loving it, I would like to buy another >NISSAN product for my wife -- but prefer a wagon (I've owned minivans >and don't prefer them.) >How about an ALTIMA wagon? or a sentra wagon would do... Sounds nice. But I doubt they have a plan. Coz Avenil was introduced to replace any sedan based wagon. >or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and >buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an >in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon. I'd buy the Legacy in a >minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they >seem sentimentally attached to. >With all the Camry, Accord, Taurus, Volvo and Subaru wagons out there >-- it's got to be a market segment that would be worthwhile! >I can wait a year or two -- but if you don't have something to compete >by the 1995 model I may have to go elsewhere. >Thanks. >-- >Steve Morris, M.A. : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu >Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris >Seattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct) >Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________ " 10681,5,"From: herlock@lclark.edu (Jon Herlocker) Subject: How to access 24-bit color on cg8? Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Apr28.000956.12004 Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] We have a Sun 3/80 and we have just acquired a cg8 frame buffer card. The cg8 is supposed to support both a 24-bit color visual and a monochrome visual. The default visual for the xnews server is the monochrome, and we are unable to change it to the 24-bit visual. We have tried using XGetVisualInfo to get a visual of depth 24, but had no success. xdpyinfo gives no information about a 24-bit deep visual, only monochrome. There are two possible solutions: If someone has patches for X11R5 Xsun server, could they forward them to us? Otherwise, could someone instruct us how to access the 24-bit color in openwindows? -- Jon Herlocker email: herlock@lclark.edu Lewis & Clark College Portland, OR 97219 " 10682,9,From: awe@loch.mit.edu (Ari Epstein) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: CMPO at MIT Lines: 4 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: loch.mit.edu I think you can add former A's first baseman Mike Epstein (no relation) to the list. Ari 10683,13,"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Lines: 13 To: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) LB> I know from personal experience that men CAN get yeast infections. I LB> get rather nasty ones from time to time, mostly in the area of the LB> scrotum and the base of the penis. I used to have problems with recurrent athlete's foot until I started drying between my toes with my blow drier after each time I bathe. I also dry my pubic area while I am at it to prevent problems. You might want to try it. ... My cat types with his tail. * Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310/372-0987 32b (1:102/129.0) " 10684,13,"From: karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik) Subject: Re: Dana-Faber Cancer Institute Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Arizona USA Keywords: Dana-Faber Cancer Institute Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr14.090306.3352@etek.chalmers.se> e2salim@etek.chalmers.se (Salim Chagan) writes: > Can anyone send me the adress to > Dana-Faber Cancer Institute in Boston, USA. ^^ missing ""r"" Dana-Farber Cancer Institute 44 Binney Street Boston, MA 02115 (617)732-3000 Karl Dussik (""Alumnus"" - Department of Biostatistics and Epidemiology, 1983-1986) " 10685,9,"From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute Lines: 16 In article <4200419@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: >I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman >and his infamous moon-raker drives... I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof. He whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out! -- #include Dan S. " 10686,0,"From: mathew Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 37 suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi writes: > On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said: > :> God is eternal. [A = B] > :> Jesus is God. [C = A] > :> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] > > :> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of > :> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore > :> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. > > Everything isn't always so logical.... > > Mercedes is a car. > That girl is Mercedes. > Therefore, that girl is a car? Unfortunately your phrasing is ambiguous. Re-writing more carefully, we have (at least) two possibilities. The first: Things called ""Mercedes"" are cars That girl is called ""Mercedes"" Therefore that girl is a car That is entirely valid as a piece of logical deduction. It is not sound, because the first statement is false. Similarly, I would hold that Jim's example is valid but not sound. Another possible interpretation of what you wrote is: There exists at least one car called ""Mercedes"" That girl is called ""Mercedes"" Therefore that girl is a car -- which isn't valid. mathew " 10687,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr13.093300.29529@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >""Weight rebound"" is a term used in the medical literature on >obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet >cycle. There are any number of terms which mean one thing to Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10688,17,"From: smortaz@handel.sun.com (shahrokh mortazavi) Subject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1025 Organization: Central Lines: 18 In article <1qg1gdINNge7@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu> karbasi@cis.ohio-state.edu writes: > > 1- ""nehzat-e aazaadee""'s member have many times been arrested > and tortured and as we speak some of them are still in prison. > > 2- The above item confirms the long standing suspicion that > the only reason this regime has not destroyed ""nehzat-e > aazaadee"" completely is just to show off and brag about the > ""freedom of expression in Iran"" in its propaganda paper. > > Get serious! If this regime had its way, there would be > absolutely no freedom of expression anywhere, not even in SCI. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ there really isnt, as seen by the heavy usage of anonymous posting. if iri sympathizers didnt roam around in sci, anon-poster would get used only occasionally (as in the good old days). " 10689,9,"From: reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca (Darren Reiniger) Subject: MLB logos: Part 3 Summary: National League East posted Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 10 I have posted the logos of the NL East teams to alt.binaries.pictures.misc Hopefully, I'll finish the series up next week with the NL West. Darren -- Darren Reiniger reiniger@ug.cs.dal.ca || arishem@ac.dal.ca Centre For Marine Geology, Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada | People who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves | | where it came from in the first place. | " 10690,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For >example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" >mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if >maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy >gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. One consideration to remember is that if you don't turn it off now, you may not be able to later. This isn't a case of reaching over and flipping a switch; much of the spacecraft has to be working correctly to execute a ""turn off"" command successfully. Spacecraft do malfunction in their old age. The big concern is not radio clutter from idle spacecraft, but radio clutter from malfunctioning spacecraft that can no longer be turned off. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 10691,3,"From: mark.seltzer@rose.com (mark seltzer) Subject: ALR ProVeisa X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 12 If anyone has any experience with the ALR ProVEISA 486DX2 system I would be interested to hear your impressions of it, and of ALR in general. Thank you. /mark --- * WinQwk 2.0b#108 * Mark Seltzer,28 Ravina Cres,Toronto,Ont M4J 3M1,Canada. RoseMail 2.10 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285 " 10692,12,"From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 21 alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al There usually is a way, however, often, telephone companies like to keep all of their internal numbers private. Depends on your exchange. Any modern electronic switching equipment usually have voice synth lines that echo the number you called from. The line service guys use this to make sure they connect up the right pairs of lines. " 10693,15,"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: John 3:16 paraphrased Lines: 25 At the end of a recent (Mon 19 Apr 1993) post, Alastair Thomson offers the following ""paraphrase"" of John 3:16: ""God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life."" The ""to die in our place"" bothers me, since it inserts into the verse a doctrine not found in the original. Moreover, I suspect that the poster intends to affirm, not merely substitution, but forensic (or penal) substitution. I maintain that the Scriptures in speaking of the Atonement teach a doctrine of Substitution, but not one of Forensic Substitution. Those interested in pursuing the matter are invited to send for my essays on Genesis, either 4 thru 7 (on this question) or 1 through 7 (with lead-in). The n'th essay can be obtained by sending to LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU the message GET GEN0n RUFF Yours, James Kiefer ""Any theologian worth his salt can put anything he wants to say in the form of a commentary on the Book of Genesis"" -- Walter Kaufman. " 10694,13,"From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) Subject: Re: Altitude adjustment Organization: WINCO Lines: 22 In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes: >I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities >quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 >feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... Mexico City, Bogota, La Paz? > >Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and >my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very >dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep >away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. > >Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there >(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? >Is there something else that I could do? Go three days early. Preliminary acclimatization takes 3-4 days. It takes weeks or months for full acclimatization. Could you be experiencing some jet lag, too? " 10695,3,"From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) Subject: Help with 486/66 Decision. Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: us Lines: 37 I'm buying a new system this week to replace my brain dead 286, and could use some feedback on a couple systems I'm looking at if anyone is familiar with them. The system that looks the most interesting is the Budget 486/66 VLB tower. For about $2343 (delivered) it offers VLB, 8MB, 200MB IDE, a Mitsumi CD-ROM (with software bundle), Media Vision Sound board, 14"" CTX 1468NI, 128K Cache, and the usual drives, ports, & OS software. Since my budget is $2350 for a system, it seems almost too good to be true (which may mean it IS too good to be true, of course). Among other things, I've never seen a review of the Budget systems (or their parent company, Micro Smart), or of the motherboard they are using (the Aetana). Any feedback would be appreciated. In a similar vein, the second system I'm considering Midwest Micro's Elite VESA 486/66 tower with a Diamond Viper (2MB) & Midwest Micro 14"" MI monitor is one I've never seen reviewed anywhere. I'm familiar with the firm but not the product line - and some idea of their quality would be abig benefit here as well. Any other suggestions in the price range would be appreciated - my greatest needs are speed and graphics capabilities. Email response would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. John Stuart Mill -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- Rick Adams -=*=- adamsr@ais.org -=*=- adamsr@norwich.bitnet anonymous users may send to ap-poly.491@n7kbt.rain.com " 10696,1,"From: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Subject: Oak Driver NEEDED (30d studio) Reply-To: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Hi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the Oak card with 1 M of RAM. This would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated Maybe I should have just gotten a more well know card. thanks seth@acpub.duke.edu " 10697,6,"Subject: Diamond Stealth 24 24bit SVGA for sale From: bi927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yi Jin) Reply-To: bi927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yi Jin) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Lines: 10 Brand new, still shrink wraped Stealth 24 for sale $150 plus shipping and COD. Specifications: Based on S3 801/805 32bit coporcessor, 1024x768x256 72Hz Ni, 800x600x64K NI, 640x480x16million NI, system requires 386 or 486 based ISA or VESA VL-BUS, with fast TurboWindows drivers for 3.1 and other drivers for other popular softwares like WP, Microsoft Word,Lotus,AutoCad. YJ " 10698,16,"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 24 J. Spencer (J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote: : manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: : >Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: : >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental : >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK : >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population : >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted : >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the : >: > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as : >: > many people with baseball bats. : [snip] : If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely : followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to : death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for : yourself. It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o " 10699,13,"From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 25 In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes: > >>Here's a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group, but. . >> >>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms? >>Similar as women's? I have a yeast infection and my husband (who is a >>natural paranoid on a good day) is sure he's gonna catch it and keeps >>asking me what it's like. I'm not sure what his symptoms would be. . > >The answer is yes and no. I'm sure others on sci.med can expand on this. > >Jon I know from personal experience that men CAN get yeast infections. I get rather nasty ones from time to time, mostly in the area of the scrotum and the base of the penis. They're nowhere near as dangerous for me as for many women, but goddamn does it hurt in the summertime! Even in the wintertime, when I sweat I get really uncomfy down there. The best thing I can do to keep it under control is keep my weight down and keep cool down there. Shorts in 60 degree weather, that kind of thing. And of course some occasional sun. Lost Boy " 10700,7,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: LH Workmanship Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 19 I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle Vision and Dodge Intrepid. Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room, at a competitive price. Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come off easily. I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly problems that will show up later. I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good track record. Jason Chen " 10701,14,"From: msjohnso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Mark Johnson) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 86 pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in >the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe >science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention. >It was from a company name ""Personal Missle, Inc."" or something like that. The company was probably ""Public Missiles, Inc"" of Michigan. >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes ""F"" to ""M"". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. Yup. >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. >Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down. Nope, it's not illegal. It is, however, closely regulated. In order to purchase and use the big rocket motors required, it is necessary to be one of the following: a) An employee of a government agency. b) An employee or student at a university doing research involving rockets. c) A member or representative of an educational organization involved in research or other uses of rockets. There are two such organizations: The Tripoli Rocketry Association and the National Association of Rocketry. Members of either organization must demonstrate proficiency in construction and flight before they are allowed to purchase large motors on their own. The FAA will issue a waiver of its regulations, upon request, to any organization which can persuade them it has taken adequate precautions to avoid conflicts with aircraft. The usual stipulations are: - Only operation up to a specified ceiling is allowed. Depending on the location, this ceiling may be from 5000 to 50000 feet AGL. - The operator of the rocket is responsible for avoiding any aircraft within the operating radius around the launch site. - Flight into clouds or beyond visual range in haze is expressly prohibited. - The FAA will provide a NOTAM informing other users of the airspace that unmanned rocket operations are taking place at the specified place and time. Most of the launches that are held (and there are dozens of them every year) are held in areas where air traffic is relatively light, such as over the western deserts (the Black Rock Desert north of Reno is particularly popular since it is 25 x 150 miles of *nothing to hit* on the ground). The two rocketry associations test and approve motors for their members' use, to insure safety. Depending on motor size, the launcher setback is from 50 to 500 or more feet. By the way, rockets under 1 lb and powered by an ""F"" motor are exempt from most Federal regulations on unmanned rockets anyway. See FAR 101, Subpart C, for details. As for recovery...although the higher altitude rockets can reach up to 50,000 feet, most of them only get to 2,000 to 5,000 feet. The typical rocket is 2 to 6 inches in diameter, and carries a 3 to 6 foot parachute, or multiple parachutes, depending on the payload. Many rockets also carry either a small transmitter or an audio sounder--particularly at launches in the eastern US, where there are more obstructions. Camera, telemetry transmitter, and video payloads are becoming quite common. >And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy. Why not? It's a lot of fun...check out the traffic on rec.models.rockets for information about the model (3 lb and under) and high power (everything bigger) rocket hobbies. As with all dangerous activities, the key is to practice safety. I've been flying consumer rockets ranging up to 4-5 lbs takeoff weight for 27 years, and still have all my extremities intact. >-Paul ""mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite"" Dokas That's another thing. NO EXPLOSIVE WARHEADS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED ON THESE ROCKETS. NONE! Please forgive me for shouting, but that's one of the biggest misconceptions people have about our hobby. >/* Just remember, you *WILL* die someday. */ True. But it will not be related to the rocket hobby, unless I get hit while crossing a road with a rocket in my hand. -- Mark Johnson USnail: NCR Peripheral Products Division E-mail: Mark.Johnson@WichitaKS.NCR.COM 3718 N. Rock Rd. Voice: (316) 636-8189 [V+ 654-8189] Wichita, KS 67226 [Non-business email: 76670.1775@compuserve.com] " 10702,6,"From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Rev. Michael P. Deignan) Subject: Hallicrafters S120 Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917 Lines: 9 I have a Hallicrafters S120 SW radio for sale. Worked the last time I tried it out. Make offer. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan / Sex is hereditary. If your -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com / parents never had it, chances -- AT&TNet: +1 401 273 4669 / are you won't either... -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 / " 10703,15,"From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak) Subject: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Reply-To: norris@mit.edu Organization: l'organisation, c'est moi Lines: 53 Eric (""Damien""?) was presenting his views on Christianity; I'll respond to a few of his points: In article , gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: |> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame |> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. |> |> <<****Strong opinions start here...****>> |> |> 1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced |> mental facilities, developed religion as a satisfiable solution to |> explain the unexplainable. (For example the ancient Greeks believed |> that Apollo drove his chariot across the sky each day was real. Due |> to the advancement of our technology, we know this to be false.) This is certainly a valid objection to religion-as-explanation-of- nature. Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For example: why does the universe exist at all? After all, the time-space world didn't have to exist. Why does *anything* exist? And: is it possible for persons (e.g. man) to come into being out of a purely impersonal cosmos? These questions which look at the real mysteries of life -- the creation of the world and of persons -- provide a permanent indicator that the meaning of life in the material world can only be found *outside* that world, in its Source. |> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we |> die. |> |> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. |> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject |> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one the requires a kind of ""faith"" too. By taking such a hard line in your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by reading Paul Johnson's ""A History of Christianity"". From your remarks, it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and be animated by some enduring values. With best wishes, -- Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu, Usenet addict, INTP I have very exclusive and nuanced opinions. License info available on request. " 10704,0,"From: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) Subject: Studies on Book of Mormon Distribution: world Organization: Orden del Lobo Estepario Reply-To: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl Lines: 20 Hi! I don't know much about Mormons, and I want to know about serious independent studies about the Book of Mormon. I don't buy the 'official' story about the gold original taken to heaven, but haven't read the Book of Mormon by myself (I have to much work learning Biblical Hebrew), I will appreciate any comment about the results of study in style, vocabulary, place-names, internal consistency, and so on. For example: There is evidence for one-writer or multiple writers? There are some mention about events, places, or historical persons later discovered by archeologist? Yours in Collen Andres Grino Brandt Casilla 14801 - Santiago 21 agrino@enkidu.mic.cl Chile No hay mas realidad que la realidad, y la razon es su profeta " 10705,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Galileo, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca>, agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes... >In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to >|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? > The Command Loss Timer is part of the fault protection scheme of the spacecraft. If the Command Loss Timer ever countdowns to zero, then the spacecraft assumes it has lost communications with Earth and will go through a set of predetermined steps to try to regain contact. The Command Loss Timer is set to 264 hours and reset about once a week during the cruise phase, and is set to a lower value during an encounter phase. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. " 10706,15,From: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Reply-To: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 8 I just started reading the group. I was wondering if someone could re-post exactly what the Prophetic Warning to NYC was. Thanks -jh [I suggest sending it to him via email with a cc to me. I'll hold it in my files in case someone else needs it. --clh] 10707,12,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 23 I have an Adcom GFA-555 that I got in 1985. There certainly isn't anything magic about it. The components used are decent, but nothing uncommon with respect to consumer grade components. The GFA-555 is a nice piece of equipment. I'm glad that Adcom had the guts to not over-do the packaging. It irks me when I see audiophile oriented equipment whose case and heat sinks probably cost much more and receive more attention than the electronics they are supposed to serve. I don't see any big deal about the geographic region in which something is assembled. This is especially true for something as low-technology as a GFA-555. I'd hope that a GFA-545 would still work well after several years. Except under conditions of extreme abuse, there isn't much there to go wrong. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED " 10708,3,"From: apoylis@inode.com Subject: FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Reply-To: apoylis@inode.com Distribution: world Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146) Lines: 9 Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Could anyone please repost it or email to me, if I missed it? Thanks in advance. ... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106 --- þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ " 10709,2,"From: rcs1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) Subject: W4W: printing envelops on DJ550C (not 500C!) Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell University Lines: 19 I've got a probelm with printing envelops on my deskjet 550C from Word for Windows. History: when I had a Deskjet 500, I had to modify the macro so that it would disable reverse printing since there seemed to be a bug that interferred with printing envelops. That bug is still present, however... Now: the problem I have is that my DeskJet 550 print driver (came with the printer I bought in December) still wants to print the envelops in PORTRAIT mode. However, the DeskJet 550 feeds envelops the from the narrow end (i.e. landscape mode). How do I get the printer to print the envelops in the correct orientation? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not post this to the net since: (a) due to end of the semester cruch, I can't keep up on these groups, and (b) I will summarize the best answer(s) to the net anyhow! Thanks in advance, Craig Stevenson " 10710,6,"Subject: USR 16.8k HST External Mo From: herbert.wottle@cccbbs.UUCP (Herbert Wottle) Reply-To: herbert.wottle@cccbbs.UUCP (Herbert Wottle) Distribution: world Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055 Lines: 13 For Sale --- U.S.Robotics 16.8k HST external modem, including power adapter, Users Guide and Quick-Reference Card. $515.00. Call me voice at (513) 831-0162 -- let's talk about it. Herb... --- . QMPro 1.02 42-0616 . Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines. " 10711,9,"From: horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan) Subject: Re: Best Second Baseman? Article-I.D.: crcnis1.1pqvusINNmjm Distribution: usa Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >In article <1993Mar29.044248.16010@sarah.albany.edu> js8484@albnyvms.bitnet writes: >>Personally, I think that Alomar is all hype. He is producing incredibly now, >>but in the long run, he will never put up the numbers that Sandberg has. For >>THIS moment, Alomar may be the best, but overall Sandberg wins out by a long >>shot. >When Sandberg was Alomar's age, he was putting up .261 seasons with no power. >Alomar's 1992 OBA is 25 points higher than Sandberg's career high. Alomar's >career high in doubles and triples is higher than Sandberg's. Sandberg is >still better than Alomar, but only because Alomar hasn't reached his full >potential yet. Alomar's got a 2.5 year-headstart on Sandberg (he has 862 >hits; Sandberg didn't have 862 hits until he was 26), and is likely to >put up better career numbers than Sandberg in everything except home runs. >He'll pass Sandberg in stolen bases sometime in 1995. Sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases. What competition did Alomar have? Sandberg came in a year after Ripken, and the same year as Boggs, Gwynn, and the other magicians. So less attention was given to Sandberg. Alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre. Besides the numbers don't count. National league pitchers are much better pitchers. Larry on someone elses account -- Mark Horan -- horan@cse.unl.edu ianr053@unlvm " 10712,0,"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>What do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning? >>COuldn't that be wrong? >> > Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the > existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe > because of their pride"" mistake. How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it be wrong to fall into the trap that you mentioned? Also, if I may, what the heck where we talking about and why didn't I keep some comments on there to see what the line of thoughts were? MAC >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 10713,6,"From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman) Subject: ATTENTION: ALL NEO-GEO OWNERS READ THIS! Keywords: neo-geo Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 25 Hello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)), I was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games. I mean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive. $184.99 is a little too much to be spending on each game. But ahh, the quality... Now I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot. Right now, I have: Crossed Swords Magician Lord Baseball Stars 2 Fatal Fury Nam-1975 I am interested in buying more titles. If any of you have any interesting trade ideas, please let me know. Thanks Tom tomcat@leland.stanford.edu " 10714,2,"From: A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Reply-To: A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk (Adrian D.Bailey) Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr20.085638.29338@news.uit.no> sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) writes: >I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. > >Do I find it on any FTP host? > >Svein > In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you need. Windows 3.1 I don't know...... " 10715,8,"From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 15 >Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has, >if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up >to me in some parking lot and sez ""hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox >frame on there?"" I can say something besides ""duh, er, huh?"" The Yammie Deltabox and the Hawk frame are conceptually similar but Yammie has a TM on the name. The Hawk is a purer 'twin spar' frame design: investment castings at steering head and swing arm tied together with aluminum extruded beams. The Yammie solution is a bit more complex. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Godfrey DiGiorgi - ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493 AMA#489408 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati. | ""The street finds its own Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1. | uses for things."" -WG ------ Ducati Cinelli Toyota Krups Nikon Sony Apple Telebit ------ " 10716,10,"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: ESPN Thumbs Up your $%#@*!! Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 35 Jesus Christ!!! The score is now 6-0. The Pens are beating the shit out of the Devils who gave up in the middle of the 2nd period. ESPN does something smart. The announcer states ""well folks this game is getting out of hand. Lets go to the Islander/Capitals game."" I celebrate as I was actually making progress in my CS homework because I was so bored by the scheduled game. I tear down and throw on my jersey, Hunter scores I go ape shit 'cause this is the first caps game I've been able to watch all season. And what does ESPN do? they go back to the blowout that NJ hasn't a chance in hell of winning! The period ends and the sportscaster (CAPITOLS JUST TIED IT UP!! YES!! oops excuse me =) goes into his penguin worship mode (Dont freak pens fans! They are worthy of this! I'm so glad we wont have to play them as much next year!) and here comes the 3rd period...what? its the blowout again. Oh they were just waiting for the Cap/Isles to get out of intermission. Good they've put a close game back on. Wait! WHATS THIS SHIT?!! THEY'RE SHOWING THE BLOWOUT AGAIN! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! (Oh guess what the score is now 7-0 penguins! Switch games you $%&*#@!!!) Holy shit they're changing games! ITS ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME!! Lets see if they'll stay. Later I think this proves by $#%&* point. The Caps game goes into overtime but ""due to contractual obligations"" they have to switch to the fucking baseball. (Sorry for my language but im PISSED!) What the hell were they going to do if their scheduled game went into overtime? ESPN get your head out of your ass. Now I know there are a lot " 10717,7,"From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt) Subject: 4Runner and Pathfinder recent changes. Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.unc.edu Keywords: 4runner, pathfinder, change, update I am interested in finding out how the 4Runner and Pathfinder have been updated in the past few years. Like new engine, suspension and the like. I noticed that the 1993 and 1992 4Runners are identical, for example, and was looking into buying a used one. Any info would be appreciated, esp. models/years to check out or avoid. Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) " 10718,9,"From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) Subject: Re: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions Article-I.D.: bernard.kbanaian.448.734117444 Organization: Pitzer College Lines: 25 In article derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue) writes: > > Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day, > the person is on the list longer than the specificed time > > I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't > remember what... > > I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications. > I believe we are down to two: the 15-day and the 60-day. (I don't remember a 30-day, but rather a 21-day. Anyways, it's gone now.) The period length is a minimum, not a maximum. You can keep a guy on the 15-day for as long as you want, IF he's still certified as injured. The player must be periodically re-evaluated to determine if he's still injured (thus you cannot park a player on the DL who maybe is out of options and you do not wish to expose to waivers). If you get someone qualified for the 60-day that reduces the frequency of re-evaluations. There is no longer, I believe, any limit to the number of players you can place on the DL. When there was, you often had to choose and juggle your injured players between the lists. --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""No taxes: No new taxes, kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |no old taxes, we are taxed Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |enough."" -- Rep. Alan Keyes Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% | (please run, Alan!) " 10719,5,"From: Rob Earhart Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center Lines: 38 <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: > Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu, > Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some > documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server- > resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code > mentioned above... There's documentation on how to use the shared memory extension in the X11R5 distribution. Actually, I just finished writing a motif animation program... (take-lots-of-image-data-and-display-it-pretty-darn-fast). When using on-server pixmaps or shared memory, I had to insert a delay loop to keep it from going too quickly :). Testing both methods side by side, they were just about equal. The advantage of SHM is that your X server doesn't grow to ridiculous sizes; but pixmaps can work over a network and *are* removed if your application dies (one tends to use ipcrm manually quite a bit when debugging SHM apps). Shared memory also has the problem that some operating systems (e.g. Ultrix) seem to allow only a small number of segments (~6) to be attached to a process at once; consequently, a redraw becomes XShmAttach();XShmPutImage();XShmDetach(); on Dec systems. And Dec's 24 bit displays (like the ones I tend to use most often) don't seem to support the extension (maybe someone compiled them wrong?), and using pixmaps causes the X server to crash (failed mallocs), so one *has* to use the local unix domain socket (which really isn't that bad; one copies the info three times per redraw instead of one). In short: allowing all three forms of display, within the program is a Good Thing (minus SHM if running over a network), and let the user pick whatever feels fastest. (I just use an ximagehandler class and forget about it :) )Rob " 10720,16,"Subject: news says BATF indictment/warrant unsealed... From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Distribution: world Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 19 Something about how Koresh had threatened to cause local problems with all these wepaons he had and was alleged to have. Someone else will post more details soon, I'm sure. Other News: Sniper injures 9 outside MCA buildling in L.A. Man arrested--suspect was disgruntled employee of Universal Studios, which is a division of M.C.A. QUESTION: What will Californians do with all those guns after the Reginald denny trial? -Case Kim kim39@husc.harvard.edu " 10721,15,"From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) Subject: Re: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 26 : > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know : > that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet : > hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, : > do you still think that just believing is enough?' : : [Stuff deleted] : : > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) : > as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James : > in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' : > : > Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. : I have received tons of mail from people replying to this article I wrote, and I would just like to thank everyone who took the time to give me a hand. It has indeed helped me and re-affirmed alot of theories that I held but was a little unsure about. God bless you all Will -- ============================================ | Dallas Cowboys - World Champions 1992-93 | ============================================ " 10722,12,"From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) Subject: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). Are there any MC68882RC33? Thanks Christian " 10723,8,"From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton) Subject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cassia.compnews.co.uk X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Is anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May. I am going, but only to watch. -- When asked what would I most want to try before doing it, I said Death. " 10724,15,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Sin Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 29 In article , jadaley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jill Anne Daley) writes: > What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does a > person know when they are committing sin? > Anything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin. (If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.) This implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should never be satisfied. It does not imply that having fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin. It does imply that I sin every day. A perhaps simpler definition: Anything that is counter to the two Great Commandments: love God, love your neighbor, is a sin. Anything I do that is not from love is a sin. The same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes. I could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them, considering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my kids out of anger or selfishness. I could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing my opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an article because I want everyone to realize how wise I am. Chris Mussack " 10725,6,"From: gt1706a@prism.gatech.EDU (Maureen L. Eagle) Subject: WANTED Brother P-Touch Article-I.D.: hydra.91500 Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 12 As it says, I'm interested in buying one of the little label-makers, and I can't afford a new one. Anybody tired of theirs? E-mail Maureen gt1706a@prism.gatech.edu -- Maureen L. Eagle Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1706a Internet: gt1706a@prism.gatech.edu " 10726,11,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 87 Robert Lewis Glendenning (rlglende@netcom.com) wrote: : Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business : or professional body in a position to establish a standard and : provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission : systems. : : RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of : a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones. ....... : Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one, : would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones. Hear hear! I completely agree that we need to work quickly to establish alternatives to the government's Clinton Clipper. As Brad Templeton and others have noted, once the Clipper becomes ensconced in enough phones there will be enormous pressure to make it the *legal* standard, and it will become the ""market* standard as well. (There is a lot of confusion in the proposal about whether the use of Clipper is mandated, about whether non-escrow alternatives will be allowed, etc.) (There are also unclear issues about how hard, or how illegal, it will be to make ""workalikes"" which meet the standard but which generate phony or untappable keys...I'm sure the next several weeks will see these issues thrashed out in this and other groups.) Meanwhile, I'd be interested to hear RSA Data Security's reaction. Often criticized in this group for their licensing policies (the usual complaints about MailSafe costing too much, at $125 or so, and the general issue of software patents...), we may find that *allying* ourselves with RSA is the best thing we can do. What's a mere licensing fee when our liberty may be at stake? (If everyone who wanted true security paid, say, $100 for a lifetime use of all of RSA's patents--which expire in the period 1998-2002, or so--then RSA would make tons of money and be happy, I'm sure. A small price to pay. For those to whom $100 sounds like too much, I'm sure the actual terms could be different, spread out over several years, whatever. To me, it's a small price to pay.) Strong crypto means strong privacy. Escrowing keys, sending copies of keys to large databases, and splitting keys into two 40-bit pieces, all done with secret and non-analyzable protocols and algorithms, is *NOT* strong crypto! Whatever some of us may think about the abstract principles of patenting number theory applications, this minor issue pales in comparison with the potential dangers of the Clipper proposal (note that I said ""potential""...we'll presumably learn more in the coming months). The RSA algorithms are at least public, have been analyzed and attacked for years, and source code is available (to better ensure no deliberate weakenesses or trapdoors). I know of a number of groups putting together voice encryption systems using off-the-shelf hardware (like Soundblaster boards for the PC) and CELP-type software. The new generations of PCs, using fast 486s and Pentiums are fast enough to do real-time voice encryption. Combined with Diffie-Hellman key exchange, this should provide an alternative to the Clipper system. Of course, we don't really know if the Administration proposes to outlaw competing systems. (It seems to me that their goal of tapping terrorists, child pornographers, and Hilary bashers would be thwarted if low-cost alternatives to Clipper proliferated. Not to defend child pornographers or terrorists, but limiting basic freedoms to catch a few criminals is not the American way of doing things. End of soapbox mode.) I suggest we in these groups set aside any differences we may have had with RSA (and don't look at me....I have both MacPGP *and* a fully legal copy of ""MailSafe""!) and instead work with them as quickly as we can. RSA?, Jim?, are you listening? -Tim May P.S. I reserve the right to retract these opinions if it should turn out that RSA Data Security was involved in the Clipper proposal. -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. " 10727,3,"From: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) Subject: What is a Rapid Tech SQUEEZE card? Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 22 Hi, I am going through a box of old IBM card and came across one called a Rapid Technology SQUEEZE card. It is dated 1990 and has a 54mhz crystal on it and a big chip that has 'C-Cube' on it. No connectors to the outside, but a ribbon-type 50-pin connector on the board. It is a 16-bit board. Any ideas what it is? Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Hunt ""Wherever you go, there you are!"" Howtek, Inc. Internet: phil@howtek.MV.COM uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil " 10728,13,"From: dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Doug S. Caprette) Subject: CS chemical agent Organization: CDP VLBI Lines: 10 Can anyone provide information on CS chemical agent--the tear gas used recently in WACO. Just what is it chemically, and what are its effects on the body? dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov | Regards, | Hughes STX | Code 926.9 GSFC | | Doug Caprette | Lanham, Maryland | Greenbelt, MD 20771 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""A path is laid one stone at a time"" -- The Giant " 10729,19,"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 17 In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people >of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that >sound like a good deal? That happens to be a subjective example that the people of the US would happen to agree on. Continue to move the price up; at some point a few people would accept then more then more until probably all would accept at a high enough number. Endpoints of a subjective scale are not the given homes of objective viewpoints. -jim halat " 10730,5,"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Overriding Default Behaviour Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Usually when I start up an application, I first get the window outline on my display. I then have to click on the mouse button to actually place the window on the screen. Yet when I specify the -geometry option the window appears right away, the properties specified by the -geometry argument. The question now is: How can I override the intermediary step of the user having to specify window position with a mouseclick? I've tried explicitly setting window size and position, but that did alter the normal program behaviour. Thanks for any hints ---> Robert PS: I'm working in plain X. ****************************************************************************** * Robert Gasch * Der erste Mai ist der Tag an dem die Stadt ins * * Oracle Engineering * Freihe tritt und den staatlichen Monopolanspruch * * De Meern, NL * auf Gewalt in Frage stellt * * rgasch@nl.oracle.com * - Einstuerzende Neubauten * ****************************************************************************** " 10731,15,"From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) Subject: HELPHLPHELPHELP Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 149 ******* ******* This is somewhat long, but pleas read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******* Boy am i glad you decided to read this. I've got a problem that I need as many people's help from as possible. Before I go in to the details of this, let me go ahead and tell you that (though it may sound it) this is not one of those boy meets girl problem...at least not totally like that to me....Anyway... OK, I am a 19 year old Sophmore at NCSU. About 10 years ago, my family and I were vacationing at the coast in a cottage we rented. Across the street, was ths girl who would whistle at me whenever she saw me... her name in Erin. Well, we became friends that week at the beach and have been writing each other for about 10 years....there was a period of about 2 years we lost contact..but that was a while ago. By the way...Erin lives in Kansas and me in NC. OK, last year in one of her letters, she says that she is coming back to NC to see some of her family who are gonna be there. So I drove about 4 hours to see her. This is where it begins....I spent the whole day with Erin....one of the best days of my life. Even though we had been writing each other, we still had to get used to being in person....she has got to be the most incredible woman I ever met. (She's one year older than me BTW). I mean, no person in the world could ask for a better person. Not only was she incredibly beautiful (not to mention WAY out of my league...although I'm not unattractive mind you), but she had a great personality and a great sence of humor. Her family is one of those families who goes to church but that is about the extent of their Christianity...you know the kind of people. But she knows I am a Christian. Well, you get the idea of what I think of her. If there is ever such a thing as love at first sight....I found it. That was last year...I kid you not when I say that I have thought about her EVERY day since then. In out letters, Erin and I always kid each other about not finding dates..(which is true for me, but I know it can't be for her). She has had some problems at home, her folks split up and she ended up leaving school....Now we are at the present... Let me give you part of the letter I got from her last week.... ""Okay, now I'm going to try to explain my life to you. I'm not going to KU anymore because something just isn't right. College just wasn't clicking with me here. Greek life is really big here and that just isn't my way. I wasn't taking any classes that truly interested me & i really have no idea of what i want to do with my life. I was interested in something medical (Physical Therpy) & I love working with kids, but 'it' just didn't work for me at this university. And my parents could tell. ""So I'm working full time at the Bass Store [Bass shoes that is] and now I have a part-time job at a local daycare. I work in the infant room M-W-F. I've really enjoyed it so far. It spices up my week a little bit and it's great experience. ""As of now, I'm not planning on going back to school in the very near future. The main reason being my indecision on what I want to study. But I definatley plan on going back within the next couple of years. Where? I have no idea--except for one thing, it won't be to Kansas. ""Right noew I'm discussing a promotion with my boss and district manager. It looks like I'll train at the store I work at now for about 4-6 months as Assistant Manager and when that's done, I'll basically be given a list of stores (newly or soon to be built) to chose where i would like to manage. I've pretty much decided on either one of the Carolinas (hopeully close to the beach) Wouldn't it be fun to actually see each other more than once every few years?? What do you think abou that? I would like to know your opinion. ""This job would pretty much be temporary. But it is VERY GOOD pay and any thye of management experience would look good on an application or resume. The company is solid and treats it employees very well. Good benefits, bonuses & medical plans. Plus- after 1 year of full-time service, they will reimburse tuition. I do have school money waitng for me, but this will help, especially since I will probably end up paying out of state tuition wherever I go. ""Chris, i really would like to know what you think of my decision. I respect your opinion. I've been completely lost for what to do for soooo long that when the opportunity came along it sounded really good. I do like my job although I'm about 99.9% sure that i want to do more with my life than reatil management..but it IS something. I don't think earning about $20,000 a year for a 20 year old female is too bad. ""Anyway, onto your career decisions. I'll solve your problem right now, MARRY ME... ""You can do your pilot thing-- I like to be by myself sometimes! Seriously (or not as seriously)- do what will make you the happiest, worry about the home life later."" *********** OK, well I'm sure you see what has got me so uptight. What do you think she meant about the marraige thing?? I dream at night about marrying her, and then she mentions it in her letter!!! I don't know what to think?? Since she wants to move to the Carolina's should i search out a Bass store near here and aske her to come to Carolina??? I always pick on those people who graduate from high school and get married....but what does she mean??? I've had a lot of stress lately with exams and also the fact that I don't date beacause 1) No time 2) Not that much $$ 3) that most college women are wrapped up in the social scene with the Greeks whic as a Christian I can't support-----and here she says she doesn't like the Greek thing either!! Maybe I'm so stunned because there is actually a girl that I am so attracted to paying some real attention to me. I mean, what if she did move to NC...what would I do??? I'm only 19 and she 20....I'm only a Sophmore struggling through classes.. I have prayed about this over the past year from time to time.. saying, ""God if she is the right one, let the situation open up.."" Could this be my sign??? I would do ANYTHING to get her to NC...here is some moree that makes it worse.. Should I call her?? I'm terrible over the phone. I don't even like to talk to my friends here for longer than 3 minutes. I mean, what would a girl as perfect as her want with a very average guy like me?? I'm really confused....I would really appreciate any help i can get. Thanx Chris [I have a feeling that it might be more appropriate to talk with Chris directly via email. --clh] " 10732,14,"From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 22 In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: >In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > >>Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited >>technology base... and on government contracts. Just doing it privately, >>rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several. > >So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? > Why use a ground launch pad. It is entirely posible to launch from altitude. This was what the Shuttle was originally intended to do! It might be seriously cheaper. Also, what about bio-engineered CO2 absorbing plants instead of many LOX bottles? Stick 'em in a lunar cave and put an airlock on the door. -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" " 10733,10,"From: DMJEWLAL@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Derrick M. Jewlal) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Lines: 45 Organization: University of Waterloo In article <1993Apr14.174828.13445@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) >Subject: Re: plus minus stat >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:48:28 GMT >In dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: > >>Selanne's +7 leads the Jets; Teppo Numminen is +4. Who do you think >>is better defensively? Ron Francis of the Penguins is +5, although he >>has 97 points, while Jaromir Jagr has only 87 points but is +30. Is >>Jagr really better on defense than Francis? And how exactly should we >>interpret the fact that Mario Lemieux has by far the highest +/- in >>the league? Does he get the Selke as well as the Ross? > >The plus/minus does not measure defense alone. It attempts to measure >a player's total contribution to the team effort. And certainly, it >is far from perfect and my posting never implied otherwise. All that >my posting suggested was that the +/- was a better indicator of a >player's effectiveness, when examined in the context of that player's >team's performance, than mere scoring totals alone. And as for Mario >getting the Selke - why not? After Doug Gilmour, I would rather have >Lemieux on the ice in any situation (other than as an enforcer, obvi- >ously) than any player in the game. I used to call the Selke the ""Bob >Gainey Award"". It came about as a result of the statement made by >Anatoli Tarasov: ""Bob Gainey is the best hockey player in the world."" >I am sure that Tarasov was either misquoted, originally, or had a tiny >bit too much Vodka and was toying with a reporter. In any event, the >NHL decided to honour one dimensional checkers along with one dimen- >sional scorers. Maybe the league should start awarding the ""Doug Gil- >mour Award"" anually to the league's most effective, all-round player. > >cordially, as always, > >rm > >-- >Roger Maynard >maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca Hey, what about the ""Roger Maynard Award"" for the most annoying fan....? ======================================================== Derrick M. Jewlal 34 Laurel St. , Apt. #1 Waterloo 747 4804 " 10734,2,"From: bergen@vaxb.acs.unt.edu Subject: Re: Need help with WP for Windows Lines: 26 Organization: University of North Texas Distribution: usa In article <1993Apr17.224402.92@kirk.msoe.edu>, narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu writes: > I have two questions: > > 1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows. > When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text > disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second > line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not > know how to correct it. > > 2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go? > > E-mail prefered... > > '/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/' I know you said E-mail preferred but because this is a common problem with WPWin I'll post it here. The screen only LOOKS like the text is gone. Usually you can just page-up then page-down and when it does a complete refresh the text reappears. I have had--on ""rare"" occasions--to completely exit (save first) the program. When I reopened the file, all chaos had been resolved. I don't know WHY it does this, but it is annoying. The graphics problems have now made me a Word for Windows user!! " 10735,11,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Article-I.D.: rwing.2073 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 202 In article <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: >In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >>Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable >>all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), >>as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no >>mention of ""session keys"" being the escrowed entities. > >True in theory. In practice? The technology of cellular phones will >probably be spread spectrum and quite difficult to record the crypttext >without the key. If the frequency path depends on they key, as I >understand it to, it *could* be made effectively impossible to record. I am not an expert in the cryptography science, but some basic things seem evident to me, things which this Clinton Clipper do not address. The all pertain to opportunites for abuse, and conclusions based on what I have seen the membership of this group (except for two notable persons) agree to. If anything bad is possible by the government in theory, it almost always ends up happening in fact. So the key is to make abuse IMPOSSIBLE. Question authority, and remember power DOES corrupt. I think one has to regard this whole idea in the sense that it WILL be expanded to include other data forms, such as data transfer and stored data. and as such should be treated as if it were expanded (or such expansion will be almost impossible to stop, using Clipper as a precident). There was a hint of that in the proposal, remember. That said, please bear with me, I am not very articulate, so I take more words to say what others could say much more briefly. Thank you. >Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The >telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule >today. As I suggested this is NOW. The hint is in the proposal that this or similar proposals are being considered for other forms of encryptions such as data transfer, data files, and such, largely dependent on how this thing is accepted or flies. I think one would be wise to treat this in the manner one would when (not if) it gets expanded to other areas than cellular phones. I think this is guaranteed to happen, if this proposal gets by. Salami politics. It has been and is used in several other areas, it is certain to be used here. Government is not going to easily give up on the idea that they should be able to eavesedrop whenever they want to. 'Court order required' has proven to be a rather flimsy guarantee. If the case warrants, they can always sieze the material, and force one to give the key, or sit in jail forever on periodically renewed contempt charges. So it is not denying the justice system the information, nor the ability to lock someone up if guilty (or refuses to divulge the means to access the info - this is not protected under the Fifth - one can be forced to perform ACTS that would result in divulging incriminating evidence). So, blocking restrictions on private encryption is not preventing LEGITIMATE law enforcement - it does make ILLEGITIMATE law enforcement a bunch more difficult. Especially fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing, figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). How come those consulted could be roughly described as ""us insiders""? They cannot quietely IMPLIMENT it though, when they ban other schemes to ensure its exclusive use. Hence the nice PR document to try and reassure everyone. Don't buy into it. Has government really earned that kind of trust, past or future? To be secure and free, one must keep government honest and the only way to do that is to make abuse IMPOSSIBLE, not 'unlikely' or 'difficult'. >But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the >judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext >without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain >cellular calls and then ask a judge, ""Hey, can we have permission to >listen to those tapes?"" can they? So what? One could use information gained by re-use of the keys (saved after the last case was finished) or other means (master key, backdoor, easily broken algorithm) to find other evidence which, given to a judge, would authorize a tap which wouldn't have been possible otherwise. This has been the more common manner of abuse of wiretaps in the past... For local cops, this might be workable to keep them honest, but the Feds have a workaround somehow, BET on it. Does anyone really believe for example, that the government will use a scheme NSA cannot listen in on scanning for keywords - either easily defeated in realtime or via a 'master key'? I sure don't. This whole thing sounds like something to eliminate the need to use old-fashioned police work to build a case. In the past, eavesdropping was rather easy (with or without a court order). I think the Law Enforcement community has become a bit spoiled, and will resist changes that require them to revert to using old-fashioned detective work. I just find it somewhat surprising coming from a bunch that cares so much about civil and individual rights, that ""puts people first"". The question is ""put people first"" to WHERE? With the innards not being revealed, how is one to be sure there DOESN'T exist a 'master key' for use by NSA, etc (so they can do their keyword scan, etc on conversations they routinely monitor, without a specific court order)? Remember, the cellular phone limitiation is only TEMPORARY. Bet on it. And so far I have not heard about police telling people that they have been tapped and nothing incriminating was found. What is to keep them from simply keeping the keys on file for 'next time'? After awhile, they would have quite a collection. Kept especially for folks they deem 'disruptive'. And if they get only one key, that would reduce the search space a lot, unless it is an RSA scheme. Remember Nixon years? Need for court orders really slowed them down, didn't it? And unless the escrow accounts are not government controlled (fat chance! I see one ending up being under, say Treasury, the other under Justice :-)) it could be worth some serious bucks to some folks to get keys to a competitor's Clinton Clipper (or descendent when this idea is expanded to be used for all non-government encryption). Enough bucks would get one the keys or the innards for this algorithm. Perhaps not an important concern, but given past government behavior and the other problems... >>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) > >Yes, that is a major concern, but I think that they think they can >win just by having 99.5% of the USA use this system. They don't even >have to care about the cautious .5% that's left. They don't catch the >really smart crooks anyway. John Gotti, who would have to be retarded >not to realize he was likely to be wiretapped, glibly chatted away >on his tapped phone about murder plans. That's why he's in jail now. >Hard to believe, but true. What will one do when it is expanded to data storage encryption? You can BET that if Clipper is accepted, that will be next on the agenda. It is even hinted at in the proposal - read it carefully... Expect the argumet ""well, if you got nothing to hide..."" Fine. Then using that argument, one should not object to video cameras being installed in every room of one's home. Granted - an exteme expansion of the idea but the principle holds. Private stuff should remain private, even from a govt fishing expedition. And laws/rules may change in the future as to 'safeguards'. When it comes to the Fed Government, safeguards are pretty meaningless, if they want to do/get something. Don't work so hard to give up some rather treasured rights, or establish bad precidents, please. The price could be hell to pay, later. >This scheme can succeed without laws forbidding more, which people would >fight a lot harder. They like this enough that they are dropping the so >called ""Digital Telephony"" proposal, according to rumours. However the >meaning of that is complex, since they still want to get at the crypttext >on telco systems, and that requires a bit of work. People would fight laws forbidding more NOW, but in, say two years, because we have this 'crisis' situation which MUST be addressed by some 'drastic action', just this added reasonable restriction will only bother those who have someting to hide... etc. Please don't buy into it. If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a certain professor who likes key banks would be one of the selected experts... this does seem to expand on some ideas the person was advocating, if I recall :-). How would anybody know that what the experts examine is the same as what will end up being used in the Clipper Chip, if it is kept secret? Perhaps the Clipper will use a crippled version (with a 'master key' provision), or features not present in the version subjected for study and evaluation by the experts. And who chooses the expertes? The government? No conflict of interest there... :-) And isn't it a REQUIREMENT for any decent encryption scheme that it NOT have its effectiveness reduced by having the algrorithm widely known? I was lead to believe that one should assume the other side has everything you have, except for the key(s)... I recall ideas presented to this group are rejected if a requirement exists the algorithm be secret... Another question - since it is a safe bet this Clipper thing would not be used for government security, they are regarding it as not real secure but ""good enough"" for common folk. I think I would like to see a full description (not a PR non-statement) of just what ""good enough"" means? I think when saying how strong it is, ""good enough"" really means ""not very"". The excuse that other countries have these restrictions is not acceptable: Other countries do not have our Bill of Rights and Constitution (which the people, not the governments, of those other countries often regard with envy - what we have as rights they have as revokable privileges). And if we expect to retain those rights and protections, we must not allow them to be gutted because we just GOTTA have this thing to 'fight crime'. We have allready have our Bill of Rights pretty much torn to shreds. We should not permit more weakining for yet another 'noble cause', instead we should be trying to repair the damage. Our crime problem may have a number of causes, but ""too many rights and safeguards"" is not a signifigant one. A broken court system and poor police work are a much more signifigant cause as having ""too many rights"" (disregarding addressing the root causes for crime, etc). BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it isn't too late allready. >-- >Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien " 10736,0,"Subject: Re: Speculations From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 17 In article <930405.172903.4w6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes: >Nanci Ann Miller writes: >> If this god is truly omnipotent as you folks like to claim, then why can't >> he terminate eternity? > >For the same reason he can't flibble glop ork groink. > >The thing you are demanding that he must be able to do, has no meaning in its >own terms. This is a classic example of excessive faith in reason. The fact that we have trouble talking about something doesn't imply that it is impossible; it simply implies that it is hard to talk about. There is a very good chance that God *can* flibble glop ork groink. Charlie Wingate can flibble glop ork groink, and he isn't even God. -- Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. " 10737,16,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Carrying Arms Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr5.220457.6800@spdc.ti.com> dwhite@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Dan White) writes: > I have a question about the second amendment that has bothered >me for awhile. The amendment guarentees our ""right to keep and bear >arms."" Currently, the gun prohibitionists are trying to restrict or >eliminate our right to keep arms with the Brady Bill and the assault >weapon ban. However, haven't we already lost our right to bear arms? > It seems that in most states, like Texas, a citizen may own a >gun and carry while at his home or business. But a citizen is severely >restricted from bearing outside these areas. Here in Texas you cannot >carry in your car except when ""traveling"" which is usually defined as >""traveling across a county line."" How did this come about? Are there >any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a >weapon outside the home? There are, but not any that would help Texans: In many states, such laws have been found to violate the state constitution. But the federal Second Amendment does not apply directly to the states. It was written to limit the federal government only. The Fourteenth Amendment was written to extend the restrictions of the Bill of Rights to the state level. However, the exact wording of the Fourteenth Amendment is very vague. The Supreme Court has been dancing around the issue without facing it directly for over 100 years. In practice, the Bill of Right (indirectly applies through the Fourteenth) applies to the state governments only if the Supreme Court has ruled that particular provision. The Court has made no such rulings on the Second Amendment. Frank Crary CU Boulder " 10738,11,"From: ariel@world.std.com (Robert L Ullmann) Subject: Re: Why the algorithm is secret Organization: The World in Boston Distribution: na Lines: 27 Exactly. But I'll add another observation: if the chip does become a standard, the algorithm won't _remain_ secret. Leaving the government with the only remaining option: to make use of un-escrowed keys illegal. Which won't begin to bother the terrorists and child abusers the government is so fond of referring to. Note that the Federalist papers stress _one_ reason for the right of citizens to bear arms: to defend themselves _against_ the army. _Our_ army. IMHO the _primary_ purpose of private crypto is defend ourselves _against_ the government. The odd terrorist I'm not worried about; the goverment damages my quality of life every day. Rob -- Robert Ullmann Ariel@World.STD.COM +1 508 879 6994 x226 Quand Maigret poussa la porte du Tabac Fontaine, vers une heure et demie, le patron du bar, qui venait de se lever, descendait lentement un escalier en colima çon qui s'amor çait dans l'arri ère-salle. ... Arriv é derri ère le comptoir, il repousa le gar çon d'un geste n égligent de la main, saisit une bouteille de vin blanc, un verre, m élangea au vin de l'eau min érale et, la t ête renvers ée en arri ère, se gargarisa. -- Simenon [text is ISO 10646 UTF-1 universal character set] " 10739,14,"From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Space Station radio commercial Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 13 A brief political/cultural item. Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. Didn't catch the advertiser. Guess they're pulling out all the stops. -- Chuck Divine " 10740,5,"From: victor@hpfrcu03.FRance.hp.COM (Victor GATTEGNO FRENCH CRC) Subject: Re: Running dxterm's onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240 Organization: The Internet Lines: 61 To: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?). I think you are running Xapollo , it's a X11R3 server ... If you want a X11R4 server you should install PSKQ3 (10.3.5) or 10.4 so you can run Xdomain . > > I get these errors appearing on the DECstation: > > > dxterm > X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCharDel "" to type VirtualBinding > ... > Segmentation fault > > Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif > incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB? In XKeysymDB you could add : ! Apollo specific keysyms ! apLineDel : 1000FF00 apCharDel : 1000FF01 apCopy : 1000FF02 apCut : 1000FF03 apPaste : 1000FF04 apMove : 1000FF05 apGrow : 1000FF06 apCmd : 1000FF07 apShell : 1000FF08 apLeftBar : 1000FF09 apRightBar : 1000FF0A apLeftBox : 1000FF0B apRightBox : 1000FF0C apUpBox : 1000FF0D apDownBox : 1000FF0E apPop : 1000FF0F apRead : 1000FF10 apEdit : 1000FF11 apSave : 1000FF12 apExit : 1000FF13 apRepeat : 1000FF14 apKP_parenleft : 1000FFA8 apKP_parenright : 1000FFA9 -- Victor . \ / ^ ^ ______victor@hpfrcu03.france.hp.com_______oOOo_o_oOOo_________________ Victor GATTEGNO ""Be Yourself and not what people expect you to be ."" ______________________________________________________________________ (( )) " 10741,6,"From: cthulhu@mosquito.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper) Subject: ** Comics for sale ** Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: mosquito.cis.ufl.edu I want to get rid of alot of comics that I have. I am selling for 30% off the Overstreet Price Guide. COMIC CONDITION ----- --------- Arion #1 M Batman's Detective Comics #480 VF-NM Contest of Champions #1 M Contest of Champions #2 M Contest of Champions #3 M Crystar #1 M Daredevil #181 (Elektra Dies) NM-M Daredevil #186 M Fantastic Four #52 (1st app. Black Panther) F-VF G.I. Joe #1 M Hercules #1 M Incredible Hulk #181 (1st app. Wolverine) VF The Krypton Chronicles #1 M The Man-Thing #1 M The Man-Thing #5 M Marvel Age #1 VF Marvel Age #2 NM Marvel and DC Present (X-men and New Teen Titans) M Marvel Graphic Novel #4 (1st app. New Mutants) M The Marvel Guide to Collecting Comics NM Marvel Team-up #1 VF-NM Marvel Team-up #95 M Master of Kung Fu #90 M The Micronauts #1 M Micronauts King-Size Annual #1 M New Mutants #1 (5 copies!) M New Mutants #2 M New Mutants #3 M The Omega Men #1 M Red Sonja #1 M Ripley's Believe It or Not True War Strories #1 VF Rom Spaceknight #1 M Rom Spaceknight #8 M The Secret Society of Super Villains #1 NM Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spiderman #44 M Amazing Spiderman #188 M Star Trek #4 M Super-Villain Classics #1 (Origin Galactus) M New Teen Titans #1 M Uncanny Tales #33 (Publisher's File Copy) NM-M Vision and the Scarlet Witch #1 M What If #3 (The Avengers Had Never Been) NM Wolverine #1 (limited series) M Wolverine #2 (limited series) M Wolverine #3 (limited series) M Wolverine #4 (limited series) M X-men #25 F X-men #26 F X-men #30 F X-men #34 F " 10742,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 34 jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: > I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my > wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last fe > years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's > driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is > that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how > do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we > present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers. On the one hand there are advantages to having the liturgy stay the same. John has described some of these. On the other hand, some people seem to start tuning out `the same old words' and pay attention better when things get changed around. I think innovative priests and liturgy committees are trying to get our attention and make things more meaningful for us. It drives me crazy too. Different people have differing preferences and needs in liturgy. My local parish is innovative. I prefer to go to Mass at the next parish over. Sometimes we don't have the option of attending a Mass in the style which best suits us. John put a smiley on it but to ""just offer it up"" probably is the solution. A related issue, that it sounds like John does not have to deal with, is that spouses may have different liturgical tastes. My husband does like innovative litury. It is a challenge to meet both of our spiritual needs without just going our separate ways. When you include the factor of also trying to satisfy our children's needs, things get pretty complicated. One thing to remember is that even the most uncongenial Mass is still Mass. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 10743,19,"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: Silence is concurance Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual may be held responsible for that action? Example: the driver of a getaway car may be held as an accomplice to murder. The ""I didn't know"" defense spawned the ""ignorance of the law is no excuse"" When an individual is held as a material witness to a crime, is there a criminal charge against the individual? If not, on what grounds is the person imprisoned? -- James W. Meritt: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@mitre.org The opinions above are mine. If anyone else wants to share them, fine. They may say so if they wish. The facts ""belong"" to noone and simply are. " 10744,10,"From: sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) Subject: OOOPS! Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS Nntp-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca Lines: 18 Picture if you will, the Habs going into the last couple minutes of the game, leading 2-0. The Nords get a power play, pull Hextall, and get a goal. Bout a minute later, they get another one. Then they win in overtime...... A bad dream?....... How's that Red Hot Chili Peppers song go... ""Give it away,give it away, give it away now...."" Oh well. Suppose I can always watch the Leafs win tomorrow night.... (smilies.....) Am I the only female hockey fan in the world? Susan Carroll-Clark sclark@epas.utoronto.ca " 10745,15,"From: pwhite@empros.com (Peter White) Subject: Some questions from a new Christian Lines: 50 Reply-To: pwhite@empros.com In article , 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes: |> I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated |> with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria |> should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference |> between the various Protestant denominations. Here in America people tend to think of choosing a church much like they think of choosing a car or a country club. What I mean is that our culture is such that we tend towards satisfying our own wants rather than considering things with others in mind and not making prayer an initial and primary part of the decision process. People tend to treat church as they would a club and when something is less than to their liking, off they go to another one. I think that scripture presents the idea that God takes a different perspective on the ""church choosing process"". It seems to me from 1Cor 12 that God doesn't subscribe to the idea of us choosing a church at all but that he places us in the body as he wants us. So, I think a better question is not how do I choose a church but how do I figure out where God is trying to place me. If a person was instrumental in leading you to Christ, the church they go to is a logical first choice. You have been born into the family of God. People should hop around from church to church as often as they hop from natural family to family. If you met the Lord on your own (so to speak) there may not be an easily identifiable church to try for starters. Here you are more like an orphan. Prayerfully go and ""leave yourself on a few doorsteps"" and see if anyplace feels like home. I wouldn't expect that God want to place you in a church where you have difficulty fitting in with the people, but on the other hand there are no perfect churches. If you have an attitude of looking for problems you will both find them and make them. On the other hand if you have an attitude of love and committment, you will spread that wherever you go. In general, I think that God will try to place you in a church that talks about the Lord in the way that you have come to know him and is expanding on that base. -- Peter White disclaimer: None of what is written necessarily reflects a view of my company. Phil I want to know Christ and the power of his 3:10 resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in NIV his sufferings, becoming like him in his death " 10746,8,"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing Nntp-Posting-Host: binky Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr14.190210.8996@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes: > |The rider (pilot?) > > I'm happy I've had such an effect on your choice of words, Seth.. :-) :-) T'was a time when I could get a respectable response with a posting like that. Randy's post doesn't count 'cause he saw the dearth of responses and didn't want me to feel ignored (thanks Randy!). I was curious about this DoD thing. How do I get a number? (:-{)} - Roid " 10747,0,"From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr6.041343.24997 Organization: Summit NJ Lines: 39 student writes: >Somewhere, roger colin shouse writes about ""radical gay dogma."" Somewhere else >he claims not to claim to have a claim to knowing those he doesn't know. >There are at least twenty instances of this kind of muddleheaded fourth- >reich-sophistique shit in his postings. Maybe more. In fact I'm not sure >the instances could be counted, because they reproduce like a virus the more >you consider his words. > My question is this: what is the best response to weasels like >shouse and Stan Krieger? Possibilities: > (a) study them dispassionately and figure out how they work, then >(1) remember what you've learned so as to combat them when they or their clones >get into office >(2) contribute your insights to your favorite abnormal psych ward > (b) learn to overcome your repugnance for serial murder This posting is totally uncalled for in rec.scouting. The point has been raised and has been answered. Roger and I have clearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue; specifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of the Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live ""morally straight""). There is really nothing else to discuss. Trying to cloud the issue with comparisons to Blacks or other minorities is also meaningless because it's like comparing apples to oranges (i.e., people can't control their race but they can control their behavior). What else is there to possibly discuss on rec.scouting on this issue? Nobody, including BSA, is denying anybody the right to live and/or worship as they please or don't please, but it doesn't mean that BSA is the big bad wolf for adhering to the recognized, positive, religious and moral standards on which our society has been established and on which it should continue to be based. -- Stan Krieger All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even UNIX System Laboratories if related to my employment, are my own. Summit, NJ smk@usl.com " 10748,16,"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: ""High Power"" Assault guns Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support High power assault gun? Why, you must be talking about the 155mm Howitzer. Or did you want to try a 16 incher? Or one of the German railway guns? -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | " 10749,19,"From: cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 In article <1qvibv$b75@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > >In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says: > >>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS. > >OK: So you were a naive teen. > >>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's. > >Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909. >But he was born LAST century (1883). > >> >>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil. > >No it isn't. > > I guess the San Jose Mercury news is wrong then, and if so, why is the DA involved? -- Christopher D. Colvin " 10750,6,"From: Doug Subject: Re: For Sale: Book of Life multi-volume book set unopened Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 6 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.211.110.79 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXDate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:26:58 GMT I was wrong! I guess they are closer to $800 new! I will probably still sell them for the above implied $300 obo. Email me if you want more specifics. This is a really attractive set of books, kind of a Bible encyclopedia set. Also email me if you know more about these books or post the information here. " 10751,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 13 In article lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: >A God who must motivate through fear is not a God worthy of worship. >If the God Jesus spoke of did indeed exist he would not need hell to The reason for the existence of hell is justice. Fear is only an effect of the reality of hell. -- boundary, the catechist no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) " 10752,6,"From: mxahmad@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Mehdi Ahmadi) Subject: ###### San Mateo Duplex House for sale ########## Organization: Pacific * Bell Distribution: ba Lines: 38 San Mateo Duplex houses for sale: West side location, Alameda and HWY 92. large lot 55X140. Nice quiet location, No front neighbor, space for pool or jacuzzi. spacious rooms, cozy living room with fireplace. Only minutes from highways 280 and 92 and 101. Excellent schools, shopping and transportation nearby. Unit one: "" Remodeled "" 2100 SQ foot 3 bedrooms 2 baths Large master suite Den/study Eat in Kitchen Very large Backyard Fenced backyard Hardwood floor Wall to wall carpet Marbel/tile/vinyl 2 car garage car port Washer and dryer hook up Living room dinning combo totally remodeled Unit two: "" BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION "" 645 SQ Foot 1 bedroom 1 bath Fire place Dinning room Private yard Private entry detached unit Washer & dryer Living room Barbeque patio All separet Utilities from the city Price $468,500 ( By Owner ) Call Medi Amadi at 510-601-1525 eves 510-823-3366 days 2 baths " 10753,13,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 38 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as >hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not >be investigated. Many researchers have made breakthroughs by >figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought >""virtually impossible to test for."" > >Indeed, I would be surprised if ""candida overbloom"" were such a >phenomena. I would think that candida would produce signature >byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the >extent of recent infection. I realize this might get quite >tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient >or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as >""virtually impossible."" I recall reading in the recently revised edition of the ""Yeast Connection"" that there is indeed work by researchers to do this. Of course, they are working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus membrane tissue with associated ""mild"" inflammatory response can and does occur in a large number of people. If you reject this ""yeast hypothesis"", then I'd guess you'd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic endeavor. Stay tuned. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. " 10754,1,"From: ederveen@athena.research.ptt.nl (Ederveen D.) Subject: Micro World Data Bank II ? Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.research.ptt.nl Reply-To: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands Lines: 18 I'm looking for a database called ""Micro World Data Bank II"", a database with digital map information containing 178,068 latitude, longitude points. It is said to be in the public domain. If anyone knows a place where I can get it (preferably FTP/gopher/mailserver etc.; otherwise snail mail) please let me know. I you have it yourself and are willing to send me the file, drop me a line. I'll be using it with a program called VERSAMAP by Charles H. Culberson. If anyone knows of another detailed database that can be used with this program (preferably PD), I would be very interested. Replies by e-mail please, directly to me, I don't read this group regularly. If there's interest I'll post a summary, of course. -- Derk Ederveen (FidoNet 2:283/323) tel. +31-70-3323202 D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl / ederveen@hlsdnl5.bitnet fax. +31-70-3326477 x400: /c=nl/admd=400net/prmd=ptt research/o=ptt research/s=ederveen/i=dnm ** ""I wish I was a warrior, in every language that I speak"" - Lou Reed ** " 10755,8,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 41 Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled: : In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: : >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: : [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] : >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: : >>> You think your *average* dirt biker can jump : >>>a 3 foot log? : > : >How about an 18"" log that is suspended about 18"" off of the ground? : >For that matter, how about a 4"" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the : >ground? : Oh, ye of little imagination. :You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under! : -- : Jonathan E. Quist The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of nowhere, you can eat them. Fuel's a bit cheaper, too. -- Nick (the 90 HP Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Giddy-Up! M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| " 10756,8,"From: frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: Comp3, Inc. Lines: 28 From article , by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers): > In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: >>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes: > >>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho. > >>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling... > > Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range... > > > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!). > > Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all, > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II | > | | > | I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat, | > | like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something. | > | -- Brian W Simmons | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm). -- *** Jeff Campbell N8WXS '76 R75/6 70010,160 frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org *** " 10757,8,"From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies) Subject: BMW 49'r Rally Summary: Memorial Day Weekend Rally Keywords: BMW, RALLY, 49'r Article-I.D.: mri.1993Apr9.011743.1903 Expires: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 07:00:00 GMT Distribution: rec.motorcycles Organization: Microtec Research, Santa Clara, California, USA Lines: 66 BBBBBBBB MM MM WW WW BB BB MM M M MM WW WW B B MM M M MM WW W WW BBBBBBBB MM M M MM WW W W WW BB BB MM M MM WW W W WW BB BB MM MM WW W W WW BBBBBBBB MM MM WW WW PRESS RELEASE TO:: ALL BMW RIDERS SUBJECT:: RALLY TIME IS HERE FROM:: BMW CLUB OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA BMW 49'ER RALLY, MAY 27-31 (U.S. Memorial Day Weekend) San Francisco Bay Area - 20th annual BMW 49'er Rally, sponsored by The BMW Club of Northern Califronia, will be held at the Quincy, California Fairgrounds, from May 27-31, 1993 Included in the $42 pre-registration fee, $47 at gate, are 4 Star camping, field events and trophies, two dinners, rally pin, door prizes, Poker Run, vendor displays, Fun Run, English Trials, and live music playing throughout the weekend. Plus extras like hot showers, Tours, a Concourse D'Elegance and more. This is first time in the 49'er Rally's 20-year history that the event is being held in Quincy. And according to Pat Gardner, Rally Chairman, ""The 49'er Rally's continuing growth and the need for a larger and more complete facility led us to Quincy. Plus we can get there on either of our two most favrite highways- Highway 70, which goes through the Feather River Canyon, or up from the South via the Northernmost part of the Gold Country's Highway 49."" Day passes will not be available and non-BMW rider must be a pre-registered guest of a BMW rider. The Quincy Fairgrounds is located on California State Highway 70/89, two miles South of downtown Quincy. For pre-registration forms and additional information, write Doug Hubbard, BMW Club of Northern California, 41236 Norman Court, Fremont, CA 94539, or telephone (510) 651-2195 ADDITIONAL NOTES:: This is a not for profit event and riders DO get their monies worth. Whether you've ever attended a rally before or not This is the one to make. The only problem has been that there are so many activities that attendees have to choose one over another. Quincy is a beautiful campground, lots of grass and little dust. For folks who have been to previous 49'er rallies at Mariposa, Quincy has lots of space, all of it flat so room is not a problem. There are buildings and such available if there is a change in the weather. Also the people of Quincy are going all out to welcome us. Registration will begin on thursday. Of course there are always early arrivals who will show up monday or tuesday. The registration fee pays for camping Thursday through Monday (5 days). There will be a tour Friday with the main events beginning Saturday. Sunday Evening will be the awards ceremony. For members of the various clubs, club awards will be based on registration declaration of affilitation. There will of course be the usual awards for oldest male and female rider < betting 70 + needed to win> and youngest rider ( they get cheater permits at 15>. and greatest distance, one up & two up and all the usual things. " 10758,6,"From: brain@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (harish.s.mangrulkar) Subject: Pocono Vacation House Rental Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 35 Available for Weekly/bi-weekly/weekend Rental : A brand new chalet in a private resort community located in the heart of the Pocono Mountains. The chalet has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and features full carpeting, cathedral ceiling in living/dining room, an overlooking loft, stone fireplace, wraparound deck, country kitchen with all appliances and many other features too numerous to list them all. Its custom designed and built and tastefully furnished for the comfort of 8 adults. The community has 24 hour security and offers 2 large lakes, 4 sandy beaches, 2 swimming pools, 9 tennis courts, many picnic areas, 4 playgrounds, miniature golf, trout stream/lake fishing, team softball, shuffleboard, ice skating/tobagun run, teen dances, club house etc. etc. There are many recreational facilities within easy reach of the vacation home. Ski resorts, luxury hotels with nitely entertaiment, Pocono international raceway, golf courses, parks, gamelands, whitewater rafting, horseback riding, scenic trails, waterfalls, train rides, historical places, all kinds of restaurants, factory outlet malls, tourist attractions, just to name a few. This is an ideal place for a family/group vacation or a weekend getaway. There is no traffic congestion and air or water pollution and its only 2 hours from New York, Northern New Jersey and Philadelphia. For further information call : 908-834-1254 (daytime) 908-388-5880 (evenings and weekends) " 10759,15,"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 106 To what follows, our moderator has already answered the charge of arrogance more ably that I could have done so, so I will confine myself to answering the charge of illogic. In a previous article, Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno) says: >>If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, >>then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. > >Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when >it comes to their religion. This is how everyone in the western intellectual tradition is, or was, taught to think. It is the fundamental premis ""A is not not-A"". If a thing is true then its converse is necessarilly false. Without this basic asumption theology and science as we know them are alike impossible. We should distinguish the strong and weak meanings of the word ""believe"", however. The weak sense means I am not sure. ""I believe Tom went to the library."" (but he could have gone to the track). The strong sense means I am so certain that I use it as a basis of thought. ""I believe that nature operates according to certain fundamental laws."" (despite the fact that nature *appears* capricious and unpredictable). Christian belief is of the strong kind. (Though Christians may well hold beliefs of the weak kind on any number of theological and ecclesiological topics.) >Some take it to the extreme and say that >their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings >then you won't be ""saved"". Note that these are two separate ideas. Most hold the first view, but the majority do not hold the second. Is is again a matter of pure logic that if Christanity is true, then Hinduism (for example) must necessarilly be false, insofar as it contradicts or is incompatible with, Christaianity. (And, as a matter of *logic*, vice versa.) >It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim >to know what God thinks/wants. It is arrogant to claim to know what *anyone* thinks or wants, unless they have told you. Christians believe God has told us what he thinks and wants. >Especially when it's based upon your >interpretation of a book. Most Christians do not base their belief on the Bible, but on the living tradition of the Church established by Christ and guided constantly by the Holy Spirit. The Bible is simply the written core of that tradition. >The logic in the above statement is faulty >in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be >correct. If depends what you mean by differing. If I believe Tom is six feet tall and you believe he weighs 200 pounds, our beliefs differ, but we may both be right. If I believe Tom is six feet tall and you beleive that he is four foot nine, one of us, at least, must be wrong. >It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike. >No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that >there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it >what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is >just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer, >meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may >perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the >other is right. Thus you believe that there is a single truth but that no human being can find it. You assert that anyone who believe that we can find absolute truth is mistaken. In short, you believe that anyone who does not share your belief on this point is wrong. QED. >As an example, take the question, ""Is the glass half >empty or half full""? You can have two different answers which are >contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be >true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong. Here I begin to suspect that your real difficulty is not with the knowability of truth, but simply with language. Saying that the glass is half empty is not a contradiction of the statement that it is half full: it is the same fact expressed in different words. (The whole point of this phrase is to illustrate the different ways the pessimist and the optimist express the *same* fact.) It is, of course, quite true that different people may express the same belief in different words. It is also true that they may fail to understand each other's words as expressions of the same belief and may argue bitterly and believe that they are miles apart. Great scisms have occurred in just this way, and much ecumenical work has been done simply in resolving differences in language which conceal agreement in belief. This does not mean, in any sense, that all beliefs are equally valid. Since some of the beliefs people hold contradict some other beliefs that other people hold, after all obfuscations of language and culture in the expression of those beliefs have been stripped away, some of the beliefs that some people hold must, **necessarilly** be false, and it is neither arrogant nor illogical to say so. If I believe X and you believe Y we may both be correct, but if Y is equivalent to not-X then one of us is wrong and as long as we hold our respective beliefs, we must each regard the other as in error. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== " 10760,13,"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: What are the problems with Nutrasweet (Aspartame)? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 11 Phenylketonuria is a disease in which the body cannot process phenylalanine. It can build up in the blood and cause seizures and neurological damage. An odd side effect is that the urine can be deeply colored, like red wine. People with the condition must avoid Nutrasweet, chocolate, and anything else rich in phenylalanine. Aspartame is accused of having caused various vague neurological symptoms. Pat Robertson's program _The_700_Club_ was beating the drum against aspartame rather vigorously for about a year, but that issue seems to have been pushed to the back burner for the last year or so. Apparently, the evidence is not very strong, or Pat would still be flailing away. " 10761,3,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 60 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >This doesn't answer the original question. IS OS/2 a multi-user OS? >And no mention was made of an ether card either. But from a disk/data >point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- >tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can >SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer >faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at >managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are >only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently >faster at managing data from a hard drive. You are making the same mistake I did: you are confusing the DRIVE interface to the DATA THROUGHPUT interface. Again from my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare173.txt}: Expansion Both Mac & IBM SCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM. Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM. Apple developed some specifications for SCSI controlers while IBM has no exact controller specifications {which results in added incompatibilities on IBM machines}. Main problem: there are a lot of external devices which are internal terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and at the end. Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}. SCSI-1: 7 devices per SCSI controller. 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave} and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer base. 16-bit SCSI-1 requires a SCSI-2 controler chip and can provide only fast SCSI-2 not wide SCSI-2 which are both 16-bit interfaces {see SCSI-2}. SCSI-2: 10 devices per SCSI controller in SCSI-2 mode. SCSI-2 is fully SCSI-1 complient and tends to be implimented as a very fast SCSI-1 since it needs a different controller interface in both hardware {which tends to be very expendsive} and software. Transfer speeds are 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst {32-bit/wide and fast}. SCSI-2 in SCSI-1 mode is limited to 7 devices and reduced 8-bit or 16-bit {fast only} throughput due to the difference between SCSI-1 and wide SCSI-2 ports. IBM HD Interfaces {limited to hard drives by design or lack of development}: [...] IDE: Integrated Device Electronics currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can. The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the SCSI-2 through put. The cost of SCSI interface is a self fulliling prophisy: few people buy SCSI because it is so expencive for the PC, which in turn convices makes that mass producing SCSI {which would reduce its cost} is unwarented, and so SCSI is expencive. {That is the effect of the Rule of Scale: the more items sold the less EACH item has to bare the brunt the cost of manufacture and so the less each item has to cost} SCSI-2 allows a drive mechanisims through put to be limited by the DRIVE while IDE itself limits the through put. " 10762,13,"From: steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) Subject: Need to find information about current trends in diabetes. Organization: SysLang, Inc. Lines: 15 I looked for diab in my .newsrc and came up with nuthin. Anyone have any good sources for where I can read? In particular, I'm interested in finding out more about intravenous insulin injection for hepatic vein liver activation. (Whew! Wotta mouthful!) Anything that smells like a pointer would be helpful: newsgroup, mailinglist, etc.... Many thanks. -- ----------Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like bananas.------------------ Steven W. Orr steveo@world.std.com uunet!world!steveo ----------Everybody repeat after me: ""We are all individuals.""----------------- " 10763,5,"From: rj@rainbow.in-berlin.de (Robert Joop) Subject: Re: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and Sparc 10 keyboard Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.in-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes: >Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. >All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: >The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. >Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed >characters in an xterm to get passed.) >Anyone have a fix for the last two? fix the table in .../X11R5/mit/server/ddx/sun/ or use xmodmap(1). put stty pass8; setenv LC_CTYPE iso_8859_1; setenv LESSCHARSET latin1 in your .login. the first prevents the stripping of bit 7. the second sets the locale. the third makes less(1) show the character instead of the octal representation. rj -- __________________________________________________ Robert Joop rj@{rainbow.in-berlin,fokus.gmd,cs.tu-berlin}.de s=joop;ou=fokus;ou=berlin;p=gmd;a=dbp;c=de " 10764,11,From: jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Yale University Lines: 12 Distribution: inet Reply-To: jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Minerva PL9] Tarl Neustaedter (tarl@coyoacan.sw.stratus.com) wrote: : It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant : to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about : the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the : network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position). Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it was posted encrypted? These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. 10765,3,"From: ibh@dde.dk (Ib Hojme) Subject: SCSI on dos Keywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S Lines: 23 Hello netters, I have a question concerning SCSI on DOS. I have a ST01 SCSI controller and two hard-disks conected (id's 0 and 1). I'd like to connect a SCSI streamer, but I don't have software to access it. Does such a beast exist as shareware or PD ? Also what if I want a third disk ? I know that DOs only can ""see"" two two physical and four logical disks. Will it be possible to use extra disks ? Thanks in advance. Ib | | Ib Hojme | | | | Euromax | __| __| __ | Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Vejle branch, Denmark | / |/ |/__> | Telephone: Int +45 75 72 26 00 | \__/\__/\__ | Fax: Int +45 75 72 27 76 | | E-mail: ibh@dde.dk " 10766,7,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Toyota wagons Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.213032.26844@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes: >In article <1pq6bl$9rj@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >>Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible >>ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no >>aesthetic sense at all? >>-- >The new Camry Wagon may just be even uglier than my Tercel. :-) toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons. after seeing the new camry sedan, i had thought toyota would finally turn out something nice-looking. the new camry station wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse, and a weird looking one at that. -teddy " 10767,12,"From: jeff@nsr.hp.com (Jeff Gruszynski) Subject: Re: digital voltmeter - how does it work? Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 66 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hpmvd069.nsr.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7] MAMISHEV, ALEXANDER VALENTINO (avm1993@sigma.tamu.edu) wrote: : Hello, : : Let me introduce a problem: : : When I measure a sinusoidal wave (voltage) with a digital voltmeter, using : AC mode, my output is an rms value (a peak value over 2 squared). / Right? / : When I measure a square wave in the same mode (AC), my output is equal : to a peak value, actually, to the upper flat boundary of the wave. : I assumed, that a digital voltmeter makes some kind of integration of the : input value, and divides it over the wave period. / Right?/ : Now, I used it to measure the same square wave as above, but distorted : by high-frequency harmonics. Ideally, output should be the same, but... : The output value was only about 10% of the previous one! : Why? What is the nature of this output value? What does the voltmeter : actually measure? And what does it show? Re: RMS readings Unless the DVM *says* it's measuring RMS, it's probably Average voltage. The input is diode rectified and measured as DC. If it says it's RMS and but measures square/triangle/etc. incorrectly, it's measuring average and multipling by a correction that's *only* true for sine waves (i.e. Vave*(0.707/0.63) = Vrms). If you want correct RMS for (most) any waveform, you need a ""True-RMS"" DVM/DMM which literally does the Root-Mean-Square calculation in either analog or digital circuitry. : : Related question (less important to me): : What are advantages and disadvantages of digital voltmeters to compare with : analog ones? The last significant advantage of analog (IMO) ** was ** being able to ""see"" the signal if it was changing over time (e.g. checking electrolytic capacitors). Anymore, most DMM have bargraphs, etc. that duplicate this. : : Thank you for your attention, you could mail me your opinion at : avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu or open a discussion here. I would appreciate either : way. : : : Alexander V. Mamishev : : ____________________________________________________________________________ : Power System Automation Laboratory <> phone office (409) 845-4623 : Department of Electrical Engineering <> phone home (409) 846-5850 : Texas A&M University <> fax (409) 862-2282 : College Station, TX 77843, USA <> Internet: avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- : -- ================================================================================ Jeff Gruszynski Semiconductor Test Equipment Systems Engineer Hewlett-Packard ================================================================================ (415) or T 694-3381 jeff@hpmvd061.nsr.hp.com jeff@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com ================================================================================ " 10768,4,"From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. Subject: Calling all Mac gurus Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 04:56:52 GMT Question for those familiar with Quadra VRAM: I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. I have been told that the built-in video should support at least 16bit and maybe 24bit color on a Macintosh Color Display. However, the Monitors control panel still lists 8bit (256 colors) as the highest possible. Does it make any difference which slots you put the SIMMs in? Do you have to do something to activate them? Do you have to do something to the Monitors control panel? BTW, I am running System 7.1 with 8 Megs of RAM. --- Charles P. Cox, Jr. Computer Engineering Case Western Reserve University cpc3@po.cwru.edu cox@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu " 10769,19,"From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (I don't know who discovered water, but it wasn't no fish - Marshall McCluhan) Subject: waco conflagration - precedents? Lines: 15 burning yourself alive seems a rough way to go, given the waco bunch had other choices. but it reminded me of the russian old-believers who, thinking the antichrist was coming in 1666, grew frantic when Peter the Great started westernizing Russia and reforming the Russian Church a few years later. They locked themselves in their churches and burned themselves alive by the thousands. are there other cases of apocalypse-obsessed christians resorting to self-imolation? is there a history of precedents? andrew. " 10770,12,"From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman) Subject: CRT driver transistors Lines: 28 X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r Device........ LT1839 @ IC (mA)..... 50 V(BR)CEO (V).. 70 CCB (pF)...... 2.5 V(BR)CBO (V).. 120 VCE (V)....... 15 IC (mA) max... 300 Polarity...... NPN hFE min....... 20 Package....... 79-04 hFE max....... 60 Material...... Metal fT (GHz)...... 1 Price (100+).. Device........ LT5839 @ IC (mA)..... 60 V(BR)CEO (V).. 65 CCB (pF)...... 1.5 V(BR)CBO (V).. 80 VCE (V)....... 10 IC (mA) max... 300 Polarity...... PNP hFE min....... 15 Package....... 79-04 hFE max....... 60 Material...... Metal fT (GHz)...... 1.5 Price (100+).. @ VCE (V)..... 10 Anyone know of a source for these parts (other than straight from Motorolla)? I need 4 Lt1839's and 2 Lt5839 I've tried standard and they said ""We are out!"" Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 13:50:28 ... If there's one thing I can't stand, it's intolerance. --- * Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * " 10771,15,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: 'Easter' not derived from 'Ishtar' Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 22 Several recent posts have identified the English word 'Easter' with the Babylonian goddess 'Ishtar'. 'Easter' is a pagan word all right, but it has nothing to do with Ishtar. If 'Easter' and 'Ishtar' were related, their history would show it. But in Old English, Easter was 'Eostre', cognate with English 'East' and German 'Ost'. The reconstructed Proto-Germanic form is 'Austron'. Not until after 1400 did 'Easter' have a high front vowel like 'Ishtar'. Clearly, the two words have quite separate origins. There may be neo-pagans who worship Ishtar at Easter, but if so, they are making either a mistake of etymology, or a deliberate play on words. -- Michael Covington (Ph.D., linguistics) -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< " 10772,2,"From: cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Steve W Brewer) Subject: How do I make GhostScript work? Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10773,11,"From: arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Society for the conservation of momentum Distribution: na Lines: 65 In article <1993Apr21.204036.13723@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes: >In article > >As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this-> >aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a >sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? Yes. Reasonable parallels. (though I don't think Russia ever claimed to be Communist) >The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is >not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you >can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about I must protest your ""...in a Communist country"". How do you know? There haven't been any, and are unlikely to ever be any. In some Socialist dictatorships, you can't, whilst in some socialist democracies (such as France or Australia) you can. Of course, some people may disagree about France & Australia being socialist... >it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. Yet. >(Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) ) > >GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world >where a person can complain without getting shot at. In some circumstances. I was at a public meeting last night (in the USA), where a protester, who was very nice and calm, and just said before the speaker started to beware of his opinions, was forced out of the meeting by two armed policemen. There are a lot of things that one cannot do in the USA. You may not notice them, but as an Australian visitor, I notice them. >People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody >did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: > >1) What have they done right? >2) How much worse can it get? > >And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. Yes, we are lucky at the moment. I hope that is still true in a few years time. Because it didn't just happen...it required concious effort. >So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. >But let's not overreact! Of course don't over react --- but don't under react. Andrew. Disclaimer: All my opinions are my own, and do not represent the society for the conservation of momentum or any other group. I hope I don't lose my student Visa as a result of these opinions.. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Conway arc@leland.stanford.edu Phone: USA 415 497 1094 " 10774,8,"From: denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel) Subject: *** For sale: 1988 Husqvarna 510TE *** Distribution: ba,ca Organization: Applied Biosystems, Inc Lines: 42 For sale: Model : Husqvarna 510 TE (enduro model) Year : 1988 Engine : 500 cc Four Stroke Extras : - 1992 ignition (for easy starting) - Suspension by Aftershock - Custom carbon fiber/Kevlar skid plate - Quick steering geometry - Stock (EPA legal and quiet) exhaust system - Bark busters and hand guards - Motion Pro clutch cable Price : $2200 Contact: Denis Concordel E-Mail: denis@apldbio.com MaBell: (415) 570 6667 (work) (415) 494 7109 (home) I am selling my trusty Husky... hopefully to buy a Husaberg... This is a very good dirt bike and has been maintained perfectly. I never had any problems with it. It's a four stroke, 4 valves, liquid cooled engine. It is heavier than a 250 2 stroke but still lighter than a Honda XR600 and has a lot better suspension (Ohlins shock, Husky fork) than the XR. For the casual or non competitive rider, the engine is much better than any two stroke. You can easily lug up hills and blast through trails with minimum gear changes. The 1992 ignition and the carefully tuned carburation makes this bike very easy to start (starts of first kick when cold or hot). There is a custom made carbon/kevlar (light 1 pound) wrap around skid plate to protect the engine cases and the water pump. The steering angle has been reduced by 2 degree to increase steering quickness. This with the suspension tune-up by Phil Douglas of Aftershock (Multiple time ISDE rider) gives it a better ride than most bike: plush suspension, responsive steering with no head shake. So if it is such a good bike why sell it???? Gee, I want to buy a Husaberg, which just a husky but 25 pounds lighter... and a tad more $$$. " 10775,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 38 Rex (REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov) writes: >It is also of interest to note that in 1825, on the occasion of a jubilee, Pope >Leo the 12th had a medallion cast with his own image on one side and on >the other side, the Church of Rome symbolized as a ""Woman, holding in >her left hand a cross, and in her right a cup with legend around her, >'Sedet super universum', 'The whole world is her seat."" You read more into the medal than it is worth. The Woman is the Church. Catholics have always called our Church ""Holy Mother Church"" and our ""Mother."" An example would be from St. Cyprian of Carthage, who wrote in 251 AD, ""Can anyone have God for his Father, who does not have the Church for his mother?"" Hence the image of the Church as a woman, holding a Cross and a Cup, which tell of the Crucifxition of Our Lord, and of the power of His Blood (the grail legend, but also, more significantly, it shows that ""This is the Cup of the New Covenant in my blood, which shall be shed for you and for many."" (Luke 22.20), the Cup represents the New Covenant and holds the blood of redemption). The fact that the woman is holding both and is said to have the whole world for her seat, is that the Catholic Church is catholic, that is universal, and is found throughout the world, and the Church shows the Crucifixtion and applies the blood of redemption to all mankind by this spread of hers, thorugh which the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass, can be said and celebrated in all the nations as Malachi predicted in Malachi 1.11, ""From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the gentiles, and everywhere there is sacrafice, and there is offered to my Name a clean oblation, for my Name is great among the gentiles, says the Lord of hosts."" And so we acknowledge what St. Paul wrote ""For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you show the Lord's death until he comes."" (1 Corinthians 11.26) You are quite right about the identification of ""Babylon the Great, Mother of all Harlots"" with Rome. I think we simply disagree as to what time period of Rome the Apostle John is talking about. Andy Byler " 10776,3,"From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon Lines: 19 [] ""These LPT1, COM1, disk controller are call devices. There are devices that requires exclusive interrupt ownership, eg. disk controller (I6) and keyboard (I1). There are also devices that does not require exclusive ownership, ie. it will share an interrupt with another device, eg. LPT1"" No. In a standard ISA bus, the one that almost all non-laptop PCs use, two separate interface cards cannot share an interrupt. This is due to a screwup in the bus design. For example, if your Soundblaster wants to drive interrupt number 7, then it must hold a certain bus wire to 0 or 1 at all times, depending on whether or not it wants an interrupt. This precludes letting another card assert interrupt number 7. When two or more devices in an ISA bus PC share an interrupt, it's because they're implemented by a single card. -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) " 10777,9,"Subject: Phillies: A New Ballpark in Future? From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: Phillies Summary: Phillies Lines: 17 ATTN: Those who live inthe Philadelphia Metro area... Back in September I was listening to WIP, and I remember the morning guys were talking with Mayor Ed Rendell. The topic of conversation was a new ball park for the Phillies. The location for this new park was suggested to be near 30th St Station. At the time, the mayor was optimisitic that in the future this could become a reality. Has there been any new news on this subject or is it still a pipe dream? I know the city of Philadelphia has other projects ahead, such as the new convention center and the upcoming Spectrum II. But it would be nice to see this a reality. It is planned that the Phillies leave the VET and leave it solely to the Eagles (and if that's the case, the Eagles should make the VET a grass stadium, but that's another story). I want to see that day! comments? " 10778,15,"From: u0mrm@csc.liv.ac.uk (M.R. Mellodew) Subject: Re: If There Were No Hell Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 31 In article , shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes: > Here's a question that some friends and I were debating last night. > > Q: If you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that > unbelievers simply remained dead, would you remain a Christian? > > My contention is that if you answer this question with ""No. I would > not then remain a Christian"" then you really are not one now. > Following Jesus Christ has everything to do with sharing in > his work and spreading the news that the Kingdom of Heaven is already > among us. Fear-based religion is not a faith-relationship with the > One Who made us all. So does that mean that anyone who is a Christian to avoid Hell isn't really a Christian at all? It sounds like it to me. Mit Liebe in Christus, Martyn R. Mellodew. (u0mrm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martyn R. Mellodew, | E-mail: u0mrm@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk Department of Applied Mathematics | ARPA/Internet: u0mrm@csc.liv.ac.uk and Theoretical Physics, | JANET: u0mrm@uk.ac.liv.csc The University of Liverpool, | P.O. Box 147, | Liverpool, | England, | L69 9BX. | `Dubito ergo Deus est.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10779,15,"From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) Subject: Love Europe Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 4 Are any readers of s.r.c. going to the Love Europe congress in Germany this July? -- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk) " 10780,17,"Subject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel From: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 16 pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: Peter, I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by yourself? -marc -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with both eyes. My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. ______________________________________________________________________________ " 10781,6,"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Books for sale cheap!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 28 SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!! * Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. * The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. * Algebra & Trigonometry, A problem Solving Approach, 3rd edition by W. Flemming and D. Varberg. Very good condition. * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! Very good condition! * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. Paperback. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Paperback. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu Sam 02106@chopin.udel.edu " 10782,8,"From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 42 In article frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: >Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote: >& >& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which >& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less >& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction > >The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which >means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less >power. And less brakes. Bzzzt. The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS. I personally, and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than- average rider aboard. He said it took two fingers on that measely single front disk to accomplish the task. How much more brake do you need? >As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will >still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are >very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the >annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't had a problem with the 750SS being too slow. The limited steering lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it. The mirrors are very good, IMHO. Someone forgot to tell their designer about the ""whazza behind you, she no matta"" philosophy. >Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home >1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 Hmmmm. I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig. Did I miss something? Beth ================================================================= Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com 1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 ""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" -- ZZ Top ================================================================= " 10783,6,"From: huawang@eng.umd.edu (Wang Hua) Subject: Canon camera system for sale Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: descartes.src.umd.edu I have the following Canon items for sale, the condition is listed as numerical. 10 indicates like new condition. Canon T70 body (Multiprogram AE, Dual metering system, build in motor drive etc.) 9- Canon FD 50mm/F1.8 10 Canon FD 85mm/F1.8 with Canon BT-52 hood 8 (excellent portrait lens) Osawa 28-50mm/F3.5-4.5 zoom (made in Japan) with soft case 10 Soligor 80-200mm/F4.5 MACRO (1:4) zoom (Japan) with hard case 10 Vivitar SMS30D dedicated thyristor flash in box with manual 10 Asking $350/obo. S&H not included. If interested, e-mail huawang@src.umd.edu or call (301) 405 2947 " 10784,13,"From: cps@generali.harvard.edu (Chris Schaeffer) Subject: Re: Eugenics Summary: It will be difficult. Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Distribution: world Lines: 28 In article <19617@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. >[...should] we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, >Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two thoughts. - I think that psychologically it will be easier for the next generation to accept genetic manipulation. It seems that people frown upon 'messing with Nature', ignoring our eons-old practice of doing just that. Any new human intervention is 'arrogance and hubris' and manipulation we routinely do is 'natural' and certainly 'not a big deal'. - Most interesting human traits will probably be massively polygenetic and be full of trade-offs. In addition, without a positive social environment for the cultivation of genetic gifts, having them won't be the advantage it's made out to be. Some people will certainly pursue it as if it is the Grail, but we know how most of those quests turn out. Chris Schaeffer " 10785,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Re: post Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 30 jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) writes: > My advice is this: If you know someone that you have the hots for who is > NOT a Christian, befriend them and try to develop just a friendship with > them. At the same time, witness and share the gospel with them, not so > that you can date them, but so that they can be saved. Once they become a > Christian, then it is quite possible to let the relationship progress > beyond friendship. However, if they don't accept Christ, you still have a > good friendship and you haven't wasted a lot of emotional energy and gotten > hurt. While I agree with most of Jon says (I deleted those parts, of course), I have serious reservations about this advice. Maintaining a `just friends' level of relationship is much easier said than done. People usually end up getting hurt. This is especially likely to happen when they start off with feelings of attraction. When people feel attracted those feelings can cloud their judgement. I've had the experience of going quickly from believing that I shouldn't date non-Christians to believing that dating this man would be okay to believing that premarital sex is fine when people really love each other. When the relationship ended my beliefs immediately returned to their original state. This is an especially extreme case because I was young and away from home and fellowship. I don't think it would work exactly this way for most people. However, it's important not to underestimate the power of feelings of attraction. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 10786,14,"From: mrw9e@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Michael Robert Williams) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.053333.15696@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer writes: >In article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> James P. Goltz, goltz@mimi.UU.NET >writes: >> Background: The Orion spacedrive was a theoretical concept. > >It was more than a theoretical concept; it was seriously pursued by >Freeman Dyson et al many years ago. I don't know how well-known this is, >but a high explosive Orion prototype flew (in the atmosphere) in San >Diego back in 1957 or 1958. I was working at General Atomic at the time, >but I didn't learn about the experiment until almost thirty years later, >when >Ted Taylor visited us and revealed that it had been done. I feel sure >that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to >see it. Has anyone out there seen it? > >Leigh Nope, I haven't seen the film, but Taylor's biography (""The Curve of Binding Energy"") contains a short section on Orion and this test flight. Apparently it was quite impressi, and got von Braun very excited. In Real Life:Mike Williams | Perpetual Grad Student e-mail :mrw9e@virginia.edu| - It's not just a job, it's an indenture --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""If you ever have a world of your own, plan ahead- don't eat it."" ST:TNG " 10787,13,"From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright) Subject: Re: Name of MD's eyepiece? Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com In article <19387@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes: >>|> |It's not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never >> >>A speculum? > >The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope. >There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are >all too familiar with. In fairness, we should note that if you look up ""speculum"" in the dictionary (which I did when this question first surfaced), the first definition is ""a mirror or polished metal plate used as a reflector in optical instruments."" Which doesn't mean the name fits in this context, but it's not as far off as you might think. -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA wright@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people " 10788,17,"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: Hope Springs Eternal Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu>, pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: > In article <19APR93.22304462.0062@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B8HA) writes: > >So nice of you all to answer some questions. And it so nice that most > >of you feel that it would be in your hearts to give the Palestinians > >some land - most of you focus on the fact that Israel annexed all > >this land and it is a kind gesture to give some of it back. Well, > >I hope that after after a state run by Palestinians is established, > >the first decision should be to make Jerusalem part of this state - > >by annexing it of course. > > > > >Steve Steve, If the Israelis are stupid enough to ""allow"" a second ""Palestinian"" state (the first one is Jordon), then you will probably get your wish - and the Israelis would get what's coming to them. However, if the ""Palestinians"" were to somehow demonstrate that they could govern themselves AND live in peace with their Jewish neighbors, then they would have to give up the idea of Jerusalem as a part of their state - and you would be disappointed. > > Israel has not annexed any of the West Bank, just Jeruselum. Which > will remain part of Israel forever! > > Yashir Koach to this. > > > Ben. " 10789,4,"From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) Subject: Re: LCD Overhead Projectors Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 25 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca In <1993Apr15.114208.2945@ug.eds.com> jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) writes: >I am looking for one of those color LCD screens you >place on an overhead projector and control the presentation >with a Mac. >Can you recommend me a particular brand? >What price are we talking about? For a good display, you *must* get an active matrix panel and a *very* bright overhead projector designed to be used with an LCD panel (i.e. stage must not get too hot). I tried out a Proxima Ovation unit and liked it, but I needed a brighter projector (I used it with a 3M 920). It is also too expensive for what you get, IMHO. Prices of active matrix panels are rumoured to drop substantially sometime this year (something to do with tarrifs being lifted I think). In Canadian dollars, the Proxima Ovation models ranged in price from about $5000 to $7000 and a good overhead projector about $1000 to $1500. For that kind of money, you can get a brighter image from a three beam projector, but sacrifice portability. Oh yes, proper room lighting is extremely important, especially if you want your audience to have enough light to read handouts and not have that light wash out your display at the front of the room. Tricky to get right. " 10790,14,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Ozone GIFs Available Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 90 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Ozone, UARS, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 ========================== OZONE GIF IMAGES April 15, 1993 ========================== Two GIF images of the ozone maps over the northern and southern hemispheres are now available at the JPL Info public access site. These maps were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS), and are courtesy of the Public Information Office at JPL. Note that the images are in GIF89a format, so make sure your display software supports this format (as opposed to the older GIF87a format). The caption files accompanying the images are appended at the end of this message, as well as being embedded in the images. The images are available by dialup modem at +1 (818) 354-1333, up to 9600 bps, parameters N-8-1, or by using anonymous ftp to: ftp: pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) user: anonymous cd: news (will be moved to the images directory in 30 days) files: ozone93a.gif - Northern hemisphere ozone93b.gif - Southern hemisphere Also, photographic prints of these images can be ordered from Newell Color Lab listed below. Refer to the P number associated with the images when ordering. Newell Color Lab 221 N. Westmoreland Avenue Los Angeles CA 90064 Telephone: (213) 380-2980 FAX: (213) 739-6984 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ozone93a.gif PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 PHOTO P-42210 April 14, 1993 This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide and ozone over Earth's northern hemisphere in February 1992 and 1993. These maps were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite. The chlorine monoxide (ClO) maps (left) are for a layer about 20 kilometers (66,000 feet) above the Earth's surface on February 17, 1992 (above) and 1993 (below). The ozone maps show the total amount above an altitude of about 12 kilometers (41,000 feet) averaged over the period from February 15 to March 6 for the two years. The Microwave Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on the Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, launched in September 1991. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ozone93b.gif PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 PHOTO CAPTION P-42211 April 14, 1993 This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide (ClO) and the Antarctic ozone hole. These maps, produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, show the amount of chlorine monoxide (left) and ozone (right) in the stratosphere at altitudes above 20 kilometers (66,000 feet). Very small abundances of ozone appear where there are large abundances of chlorine monoxide, the dominant form of chlorine that destroys ozone. Data from September 21, 1991 (top) are compared with those from September 20, 1992 (bottom). The Microwave Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite launched September 12, 1991. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. " 10791,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Another NYTimes Yellow-Sheet Editorial (4/4/93) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1pmol6INNod9@gap.caltech.edu>, arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: > > >* Thanks to the N.R.A., the A.T.F. is prohibited from researching the > >effectiveness of using taggants in explosives, Taggants are a cheap > >and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help > >investigators at crime scenes - like the World Trade Center bombing > >- trace the explosives involved. > > I want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the > explosives used in the WTC bombing, considering that the > consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer-based > one. Proper counter to this claim: ""Forensic analysis of the WTC bomb by means of taggants would have been as impossible as semantic analysis of NYT editorials by means of taggants -- the difficulty in both cases being to have persuaded the bull to consume the taggants before production of either item."" -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 10792,15,"From: cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Rea) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. Lines: 68 Carol Alvin (caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com) wrote: > In the New Testament (sorry I don't have a Bible at work, and can't > provide a reference), women are instructed to be silent and cover > their heads in church. Now, this is scripture. By your definition, > this is truth and therefore absolute. > >Do women in your church speak? Do they cover their heads? If all >scripture is absolute truth, it seems to me that women speaking in and >coming to church with bare heads should be intolerable to evangelicals. >Yet, clearly, women do speak in evangelical churches and come with bare >heads. (At least this was the case in the evangelical churches I grew >up in.) > >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) >Can you reconcile this? The problem you see here is that some Christians claim things about the Bible which they don't actually believe or practice. I've known all sorts of Christians, ranging from the trendiest of liberals to the fire-breathing fundamentalists, and although many on the conservative side of the Christian faith do claim that the Bible is a (perhaps *the*) source of absolute truth, I don't know of anyone who treats it as anything other than a valuable part of a living tradition. While I am not a Roman Catholic, I believe this is close to the official position of the RC church (perhaps an RC would like to comment). The particular practice you refer to will usually be explained in terms of the social context of the time. You would think the fact that the conservatives seem to have to break out the tophat-and-cane and give you some big song-and-dance routine about why this (other passages as well) aren't directly applicable today would show them that what they claim about the Bible and what they actually practice are two different things, but mostly it doens't. While this thread is supposed to be about the arrogance of Christians, I would suggest that some of the problem is really hypocrasy, in this case, making claims about the Bible which the claimants don't actually put into practice. But if we step back from the name-calling and look at what people are attempting to say, we see that they are trying to express very concisely the unique place the Bible holds within the Christian faith. So when people use such words or phrases as ""Word of God"", ""inerrant"", ""infallibale"", ""The Manufacturer's Handbook"", ""The only rule of faith and practice in the church today"" to describe the Bible, we should try to hear what they are saying and not just look at the mere words they use. Some of the above descriptions are demostratably false and others are self-contradictory, but in my experience people are generally pretty good at picking out the intention of the speaker even when the speaker's words are at variance with their intentions. A Biblical example is from the garden of Eden where God asks ""Where are you?"" and Adam explains that he was naked and afraid and hid himself. If Adam had answered God's words he would have said something like ""I'm here in this tree."" The problem seems to arise when Christians insist that these words are indeed accurate reflections of their beleif. Most people have not made a determined effort to work out their own understanding of the place of the Bible within their own faith and so rely on the phrases and explanations that others use. I hope this helps. -- ___ Bill Rea (o o) -------------------------------------------------------------------w--U--w--- | Bill Rea, Computer Services Centre, | E-Mail b.rea@csc.canterbury.ac.nz | | University of Canterbury, | or cctr114@csc.canterbury.ac.nz | | Christchurch, New Zealand | Phone (03)-642-331 Fax (03)-642-999 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10793,14,"From: mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: MDSSC Lines: 32 In article <1r3nuvINNjep@lynx.unm.edu>, cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: > All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year > moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace > development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of > Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. > But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to > realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. > Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of > today? The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. It didn't require gov't to fund these as long as something was known about the potential for profit at the destination. In practice, some were gov't funded, some were private. But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. I am sure that a thriving spaceflight industry will eventually develop, and large numbers of people will live and work off-Earth. But if you ask me for specific justifications other than the increased resource base, I can't give them. We just don't know enough. The launch rate demanded by existing space industries is just too low to bring costs down much, and we are very much in the dark about what the revolutionary new space industries will be, when they will practical, how much will have to be invested to start them, etc. -- Keith Mancus | N5WVR | ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, | when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish | " 10794,12,"From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 28 rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes: >How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular >Motorola microcontrollers. I am a novice at microcontrollers, but I am >starting to get into them for some of my projects. I have several 256k >SIMMs laying around from upgraded Macs and if I could use them as ""free"" >memory in one or two of my projects that would be great. One project that >comes to mind is a Caller ID device that would require quite a bit of RAM >to store several hundered CID records etc... Assuming 68HC11... In expanded muxed mode, you *could* do it. Much easier if you get a DRAM controller IC. The MMI 673102 could be used to implement this, or you could use a counter and a huge multiplexer to provide row/column/refresh address multiplexing. The thing with DRAMs is that they require wierd timing, address multiplexing, and refresh. Actually, if you wanted to use a 68008 IC, you could look at AN897, which has a neat controller built in. There is also the 683xx, I think one of those has the DRAM controller built in. This one is for the 6664 DRAM, however, the 41256 has only one more address line, adding only another component or so. The 256k SIMMs are basically 8 or 9 41256 DRAM chips (or their equivalent in fewer packages). It *can* be done, just takes a bit of logic design. I'm actually about to do it using a 65C02P3 chip... I've got 8 256k simms... that's 2 megabytes on my Apple //e... (used to be in my '386). " 10795,10,"Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sun, April 4, 1993 From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 210 NY Rangers 3 1 0--4 Washington 0 0 0--0 First period 1, NY Rangers, Graves 33 (Turcotte, Lowe) 9:13. 2, NY Rangers, Gartner 44 (Messier) 11:21. 3, NY Rangers, Olczyk 21 (Messier, Amonte) 14:57. Second period 4, NY Rangers, Beukeboom 2 (unassisted) 3:30. Third period No scoring. NY Rangers: 4 Power play: 4-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Amonte 0 1 1 Beukeboom 1 0 1 Gartner 1 0 1 Graves 1 0 1 Lowe 0 1 1 Messier 0 2 2 Olczyk 1 0 1 Turcotte 0 1 1 Washington: 0 Power play: 3-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- Boston 0 2 1--3 Buffalo 0 0 0--0 First period No scoring. Second period 1, Boston, Leach 24 (Wesley, Oates) pp, 1:03. 2, Boston, Oates 44 (Douris, Poulin) 9:00. Third period 3, Boston, Douris 4 (Bourque) sh, 0:55. Boston: 3 Power play: 5-1 Special goals: pp: 1 sh: 1 Total: 2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bourque 0 1 1 Douris 1 1 2 Leach 1 0 1 Oates 1 1 2 Poulin 0 1 1 Wesley 0 1 1 Buffalo: 0 Power play: 6-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- Pittsburgh 1 3 1--5 New Jersey 0 1 1--2 First period 1, Pittsburgh, Francis 23 (Lemieux, Tocchet) pp, 13:25. Second period 2, Pittsburgh, Murphy 21 (Francis, Mullen) sh, 0:38. 3, Pittsburgh, Francis 24 (Tocchet, Lemieux) pp, 7:14. 4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 33 (Tocchet, Francis) pp, 15:22. 5, New Jersey, Zelepukin 17 (Driver, Lemieux) pp, 19:07. Third period 6, New Jersey, MacLean 23 (Nicholls, Stevens) 6:45. 7, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 62 (Jagr) en, 19:51. Pittsburgh: 5 Power play: 9-3 Special goals: pp: 3 sh: 1 en: 1 Total: 5 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Francis 2 2 4 Jagr 1 1 2 Lemieux 1 2 3 Mullen 0 1 1 Murphy 1 0 1 Tocchet 0 3 3 New Jersey: 2 Power play: 9-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Driver 0 1 1 Lemieux 0 1 1 MacLean 1 0 1 Nicholls 0 1 1 Stevens 0 1 1 Zelepukin 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Toronto 0 0 0--0 Philadelphia 2 1 1--4 First period 1, Philadelphia, Dineen 31 (Beranek, Hawgood) 8:10. 2, Philadelphia, McGill 3 (Lindros, Recchi) 19:55. Second period 3, Philadelphia, Lindros 38 (Recchi, Galley) 7:55. Third period 4, Philadelphia, Dineen 32 (Hawgood, Galley) pp, 18:39. Philadelphia: 4 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Beranek 0 1 1 Dineen 2 0 2 Galley 0 2 2 Hawgood 0 2 2 Lindros 1 1 2 McGill 1 0 1 Recchi 0 2 2 Toronto: 0 Power play: 6-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- Vancouver 0 2 1--3 Ottawa 0 0 0--0 First period No scoring. Second period 1, Vancouver, Plavsic 6 (Craven) 13:05. 2, Vancouver, Momesso 17 (Nedved, Plavsic) pp, 15:52. Third period 3, Vancouver, Bure 57 (unassisted) 13:27. Vancouver: 3 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bure 1 0 1 Craven 0 1 1 Momesso 1 0 1 Nedved 0 1 1 Plavsic 1 1 2 Ottawa: 0 Power play: 5-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- St. Louis 2 0 2--4 Chicago 4 0 1--5 First period 1, Chicago, Sutter 18 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 1:08. 2, St. Louis, Janney 20 (Shanahan, J.Brown) pp, 6:49. 3, Chicago, Roenick 44 (Chelios, Smith) pp, 8:20. 4, Chicago, Roenick 45 (Sutter, Chelios) pp, 13:14. 5, Chicago, Graham 19 (Gilbert, Ruuttu) 13:42. 6, St. Louis, Janney 21 (Shanahan, Crossman) 19:38. Second period No scoring. Third period 7, Chicago, Murphy 5 (Chelios, Belfour) 0:20. 8, St. Louis, Miller 21 (Hull, Janney) pp, 7:04. 9, St. Louis, Janney 22 (Miller, Shanahan) 19:32. Chicago: 5 Power play: 8-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Belfour 0 1 1 Chelios 0 4 4 Gilbert 0 1 1 Graham 1 0 1 Murphy 1 1 2 Roenick 2 0 2 Ruuttu 0 1 1 Smith 0 1 1 Sutter 1 1 2 St. Louis: 4 Power play: 4-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown J 0 1 1 Crossman 0 1 1 Hull 0 1 1 Janney 3 1 4 Miller 1 1 2 Shanahan 0 3 3 ----------------------------------------- Calgary 1 2 1--4 San Jose 1 0 2--3 First period 1, Calgary, Otto 19 (Yawney, Ashton) pp, 5:29. 2, San Jose, Odgers 10 (Pederson, Wilkinson) 18:33. Second period 3, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 34 (Johansson, Reese) 2:03. 4, Calgary, Reichel 35 (Skrudland, Berube) 12:22. Third period 5, Calgary, Ashton 7 (Otto, Fleury) 1:30. 6, San Jose, Pederson 9 (Odgers, Evason) 2:24. 7, San Jose, Odgers 11 (Gaudreau, Evason) pp, 19:30. Calgary: 4 Power play: 5-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ashton 1 1 2 Berube 0 1 1 Fleury 0 1 1 Johansson 0 1 1 Nieuwendyk 1 0 1 Otto 1 1 2 Reese 0 1 1 Reichel 1 0 1 Skrudland 0 1 1 Yawney 0 1 1 San Jose: 3 Power play: 5-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Evason 0 2 2 Gaudreau 0 1 1 Odgers 2 1 3 Pederson 1 1 2 Wilkinson 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- " 10796,5,"From: rik@csc.liv.ac.uk (Rik Turnbull) Subject: String to Widget Resource Converter Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 52 Nntp-Posting-Host: bobr.csc.liv.ac.uk Can anybody tell me how to use the Xmu function ""XmuCvtStringToWidget"". I want to specify a widget name in a resource file so that I can connect two widgets together on an XmForm. ie. MyProggy*MyListSW.topWidget: MainTextSW However, when I run the program, I get the message: Warning: No type converter registered for 'String' to 'Window' conversion. (Just like the manual sez). I have managed to find this bit of code which seems to be the correct way to go about this: static XtConvertArgRec parentCvtArgs[] = { { XtWidgetBaseOffset, (XtPointer)XtOffsetOf( CoreRec, core.parent ), sizeof(CoreWidget) } }; XtSetTypeConverter( XtRString, XtRWidget, XmuCvtStringToWidget, parentCvtArgs, XtNumber(parentCvtArgs), XtCacheAll, NULL ); However, I haven't got a clue where to put it! The example code I have seems to suggest I can only do this if I am creating my own widget; but elsewhere it says that I can add it to a widget's ""class_intialize"" function. HOW? What's one of those? :-( If anybody has any code to do this, please let me know the trick - I'm sure this is a FAQ. Thanks in advance, Rik. PS: What are the header files ""CoreP.h"" and ""IntrinsicsP.h"" - should I use these or ""Core.h"" and ""Intrinsics.h"" (OK I know RTFM:-) .=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | | | | Richard Turnbull | | | | Dept. Computer Science | | E-mail: | University of Liverpool | | rik@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk | Liverpool L69 3BX | | | England | | Phone: (051) 794 3704 | | | | | .=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. " 10797,5,"From: steerr@h01.UUCP (R. William Steer) Subject: X-server for NT? Organization: The Internet Lines: 8 To: expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert@tron.bwi Has anybody generated an X server for Windows NT? If so, are you willing to share your config file and other tricks necessary to make it work? Thanks for any information. Bill Steer Westinghouse (412)374-6367 " 10798,8,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.194913.29264 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 15 In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes: }start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB, }and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna Next time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait. 120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff revs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right around the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits 110 DB if they have any standard at all. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson " 10799,5,"From: shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite) Subject: Re: Searching for xgolf Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville Lines: 4 The xgolf program was an April Fool's joke . Steve Hite shite@sinkhole.unf.edu " 10800,10,"From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) Subject: Final season CHL stuff Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK Lines: 218 Here are the final stats for the CHL for the 1992-1993 season. Central Hockey League 5840 S. Memorial Drive Suite 205 Tulsa, OK 74145 Phone: (918) 664-8881 Fax: (918) 664-2215 Founder and President - Ray Miron Commissioner - Monte Miron Marketing Director - Jim Goodman Information Director - Eric Kolb Each team is owned by the league, with local intrests controlling day to day operations. Working agreements and NHL affiliations are up to each team. Each team has a $100,000 salary cap for 17 total players (16 dress up). Each team is limited to 11 visas, meaning at least 6 players must be Americans (Ignore this rule if you are Tulsa, they only had 2 Americans on the roster during the playoffs). Teams play in Wichita, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Fort Worth, and Dallas. Future expansion plans include Houston, San Antonio, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, El Paso, Albuquerque, Tuscon, and Amarillo. Austin is a possibility if Dallas has to move. Houston and San Antonio are in for this fall, with Baton Rouge and Little Rock likely for 94-95. TEAMS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fort Worth Fire | Wichita Thunder | Arena: Tarrant Co. Conv. Cen. (11,342) | Kansas Coliseum (9,686) Colors: Red and Black | Blue , silver, and black GM: George Branum | Bill Shuck Coach: Pete Mahavolich | Doug Sheddan Phone #: (817) 335-FIRE | (316) 264-4625 Season Tix: $300 / $240 | $250 / $170 Single Tix: $12 / $10 | $9 / $6 Radio: | Announcers: | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dallas Freeze | Tulsa Oilers | Arena: Fair Park Coliseum (7,500) | Civic Center (6,847) Colors: Teal and Black | Orange and Blue GM: Tom Koch | Jeff D. Lund Coach: Ron Flockhart | Gary Unger Personal Guardians Phone #: (214) 421-PUCK | (918) 663-5888 ------------------ Season Tix: $300 / $240 | Ray and Monte Single Tix: $12 / $10 / $7 | $9 / $6 Miron Radio: KSKY-AM 660 | KTRT-AM 1270 Announcers-Bruce LeVine | Jeff Brucculeri Mark Stone | Jeff Bowen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Memphis River Kings | Oklahoma City Blazers | Arena: Mid-South Coliseum (9,384) | Myriad (13,399) & State Fair Arena Colors: Gold and Black | Red, Yellow, and Black (9,760) GM: Jim Riggs | Brad Lund Coach: Steve Carlson | Mike McEwen Phone #: (901) 278-9009 | (405) 235-PUCK Season Tix: | $250 / $170 Single Tix: $9 / $6 | $9 / $6 Radio: KREC-AM 600 | WWLS-AM 640 Announcers-Dave Woloshin | John Brooks Tom Stocker | Brian Barnhart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 92-93 regular season standings W L OTL PTS GF GA PIM AVG ATTDNCE (% cap) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oklahoma City Blazers.... 39 18 3 81 291 232 1561 7,827 64.2 % Tulsa Ice Oilers......... 35 22 3 73 270 230 1430 5,547 81.0 % Dallas Freeze............ 31 25 4 66 276 242 1604 4,427 59.0 % Memphis RiverKings....... 26 27 7 59 253 272 1670 5,590 59.6 % Fort Worth Fire.......... 24 29 7 55 252 288 1747 4,920 43.7 % Wichita Thunder.......... 25 33 2 52 242 320 1876 4,474 46.2 % Playoffs: Tulsa defeated Dallas, 4 games to 3 (WLLWWLW) Oklahoma City defeated Memphis, 4 games to 2 (WWLLWW) Levin Trophy Finals: Tulsa defeated Oklahoma City, 4 games to 1 (WWLWW) Playoff MVP: Tony Fiore, Tulsa (special votes to Ray and Monte Miron) Team vs. Team: 92-93 -------------------- Dallas Fort Worth Memphis Oklahoma City Tulsa Wichita Dallas.......... ----- 9-2-1 5-5-2 5-6-1 5-7-0 7-5-0 Fort Worth...... 3-7-2 ----- 4-6-2 4-8-0 8-3-1 5-5-2 Memphis......... 7-4-1 8-3-1 ----- 2-8-2 2-8-2 7-4-1 Oklahoma City... 7-4-1 8-3-1 10-2-0 ----- 6-6-0 8-3-1 Tulsa........... 7-5-0 4-7-1 10-2-0 6-6-0 ----- 8-2-2 Wichita......... 5-7-0 7-3-2 5-7-0 4-8-0 4-8-0 ----- Power Play Statistics Penalty Killng Statistics PPG Opp ShGA Pct. PPG Saves Opp ShG Pct. Okla. City 70 275 2 25.45 Okla. City 58 241 299 16 80.60 Tulsa 72 291 12 24.74 Dallas 68 278 346 14 80.34 Dallas 64 286 10 22.37 Tulsa 77 276 353 16 78.18 Fort Worth 85 387 16 21.96 Wichita 75 235 310 5 75.806 Wichita 81 396 24 20.45 Memphis 83 260 343 12 75.801 Memphis 65 329 12 19.75 Fort Worth 76 237 313 13 75.71 Penalty Record 10-Min Game Gross Oppn PIM Avg. Minor Major Bench Misc Misc Misc Match PIM Wichita 1876 31.3 433 84 20 22 24 0 3 1998 Fort Worth 1747 29.1 471 59 29 26 23 2 0 1911 Memphis 1670 27.8 480 56 28 28 13 1 1 1593 Dallas 1604 26.7 477 60 2 20 15 0 0 1534 Okla. City 1561 26.0 438 67 14 14 21 0 0 1609 Tulsa 1430 23.8 505 26 6 21 8 0 0 1243 Scoring By Period 1st Period 2nd Period 3rd Period Overtime Shootout Totals GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA Dallas 76 82 106 82 90 74 0 1 4 3 276 242 Fort Worth 70 81 92 112 84 88 3 5 3 2 252 288 Memphis 66 88 101 89 82 88 2 3 2 4 253 272 Okla.City 98 87 82 71 108 71 1 1 2 2 291 232 Tulsa 99 58 92 83 76 86 3 1 0 2 270 230 Wichita 79 92 73 109 84 117 2 0 4 2 242 320 92-93 All-Star Team ------------------- Position First Team Second Team -------- ---------- ----------- Goaltender... Tony Martino, Tulsa Robert Desjardins, Wichita (tie) Alan Perry, Oklahoma City (tie) Defensemen... Dave Doucette, Dallas Mike Berger, Dallas Guy Girouard, Oklahoma City Tom Karalis, Tulsa Center....... Carl Boudreau, Oklahoma City Joe Burton, Oklahoma City Left Wing.... Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City Doug Lawrence, Tulsa Right Wing... Daniel Larin, Oklahoma City Tom Mutch, Memphis (tie Sylvain Naud, Tulsa (tie) Regular Season MVP: Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City Rookie of the Year: Bobby Desjardins, Wichita Leading Defenseman: Dave Doucette, Dallas Leading Goaltender: Tony Martino, Tulsa Scoring Leaders: ---------------- POINTS Team GP G A PTS GOALS Team GP G Fleury, Sylvain OKC 59 48 53 101 Fleury, Sylvain OKC 53 48 Lawrence, Doug TUL 57 22 73 95 Larin, Daniel OKC 48 43 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 39 48 87 Mutch, Tom MEM 59 43 Mutch, Tom MEM 59 43 38 81 Thibodeau, Ken MEM 54 40 Hall, Taylor TUL 58 35 45 80 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 39 Thibodeau, Ken MEM 54 40 35 75 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 38 Anchikoski, Wayne DAL 57 35 37 72 Boudreau, Carl OKC 48 27 44 71 ASSISTS Team GP A Larin, Daniel OKC 48 43 27 70 Lawrence, Doug TUL 57 73 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 38 32 70 Fleury, Sylvain OKC 59 53 Dent, Ted WCH 60 25 44 69 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 48 Sanderson, Mike FTW 60 37 31 68 Doucette, Dave DAL 50 46 Gatti, Dave WCH 58 35 32 67 Hall, Taylor TUL 58 45 Nobili, Mario TUL 54 31 34 65 Girouard, Guy OKC 60 45 Cyr, Keith WCH 58 21 44 65 D'Amario, Peter MEM 60 28 35 63 PENALTY MINUTES Team GP PIM Johnston, Scot MEM 51 23 40 63 Aubrey, Ron FTW 28 237 Burton, Joe OKC 55 35 26 61 Karalis, Tom TUL 56 235 Simoni, Steve OKC 56 33 28 61 Johnson, Craig OKC 50 219 Hornak, Ernest FTW 52 22 37 59 Neish, Greg WCH 34 212 Fiore, Tony TUL 37 23 35 58 Batten, John MEM 29 210 Doucette, Dave DAL 50 10 46 56 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 210 LEADING GOALTENDERS (20 or more games) TEAM GPI MIN GAA W-L-OTL EN SO GA Saves Save Pct. Martino, Tony TUL 39 2182 3.66 23-13-2 0 2 133 1186 .899 Perry, Alan OKC 40 2406 3.72 25-13-2 3 0 149 1304 .897 Zanier, Mike DAL 40 2384 3.78 24-14-2 3 1 150 1223 .891 Mindjimba, Antoine MEM 56 3097 4.15 26-21-6 4 1 214 1603 .882 Smith, Greg DAL 21 1243 4.15 7-11-2 0 0 86 753 .897 Desjardins, Bobby WCH 52 2849 4.63 21-26-2 6 1 220 1877 .895 Belley, Roch FTW 33 1728 4.75 14-13-2 3 0 141 974 .874 Other Goalies TEAM GPI MIN GAA W-L-OTL EN SO GA Saves Save Pct. Flatt, Brian TUL 11 488 3.44 4-3-1 1 1 28 274 .907 Krake, Paul OKC 17 1029 3.50 13-3-1 0 0 60 583 .907 Loewen, Jamie TUL 13 681 3.79 6-5-0 1 0 43 399 .903 Ocello, Matt FTW 4 179 3.69 3-1-0 1 0 11 100 .901 Ocello, Matt TUL 1 34 5.29 0-0-0 0 0 3 13 .813 (Totals) 5 213 3.94 3-1-0 1 0 14 113 .890 Raymond, Eric TUL 3 181 3.98 2-1-0 0 0 12 87 .879 O'Hara, Michael FTW 18 911 4.28 6-6-2 0 0 65 559 .896 Vasko, Steve MEM 15 535 5.16 0-6-1 4 0 46 235 .836 Trentadue, Rocco FTW 17 746 4.99 1-9-3 3 0 62 365 .855 Trentadue, Rocco OKC 2 120 6.50 0-2-0 0 0 13 93 .877 (Totals) 19 866 5.20 1-11-3 3 0 75 458 .859 Harvey, Alain WCH 5 240 5.50 2-2-0 2 0 22 126 .851 Gosselin, Yannick WCH 10 345 6.43 2-3-0 0 0 37 227 .860 Gosselin, Yannick OKC 1 60 5.00 1-0-0 0 0 5 26 .839 (Totals) 11 405 6.22 3-3-0 0 0 42 253 .896 Caton, Murray WCH 2 120 9.00 0-2-0 0 0 18 84 .824 McDonnell, Dan TUL 1 34 8.83 0-0-0 0 0 5 24 .828 Sauer, E.J. TUL 1 12 10.00 0-0-0 0 0 2 4 .667 Clark, Joel WCH 2 48 10.00 0-0-0 0 0 8 29 .784 Wachter, Steve WCH 2 24 12.50 0-0-0 0 0 5 6 .545 Marc Dee Foster, r.s.h contact for the CHL " 10801,9,"From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) Subject: Re: Dodger Question Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 31 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu The Dodgers have been shopping Harris to other teams in their quest for more left-handed pitching. So far, no takers. Personally, I think Harris is a defensive liability, and he has also led the team in past years for hitting into double plays, or at least been among the leaders. Sharperson showed last year that if given a chance to play every day, he can get the job done. If Sharpy played just one base every day, say third, he'd also improve defensively. Wallach has helped tremendously on defense, as has Reed. The improved defense is quite noticeable and is having an effect on the pitching staff. Both Astacio AND Martinez were bailed out in recent starts by great defensive plays. Martinez pitched into the ninth in a game that might have seen him lifted in the third in past years. Astacio lasted 7 innings the other day under similar circumstances. The Dodgers are turning double plays, and keeping more balls in the infield than last year. And Piazza has also been great on defense. He has thrown out 10 of 14 batters trying to steal and has at least one pick off at first. Wallach, clearly, has contributed to the over all improvement on defense. But his offense is awful and he has cost the Dodgers some runs. But I don't think he is as bad as his current average. I suspect he will come out of this slump much as Davis and Straw seem to have come out of theirs. Dodger " 10802,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Sleeping Pill OD Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr9.051039.715@scott.skidmore.edu> dfederma@scott.skidmore.edu (daniel federman) writes: > >A friend of mine took appoximately 60 CVS sleeping pills, each >containing 25mg of diphenhydramine, I think. That's 1500 mg, total. > I'm worried, though, about the long-term effects. Since he >never had his stomach pumped, will he have liver or brain damage? Any >information would be greatly appreciated. Shouldn't have. But he may need to see the shrink about why he wanted to kill himself. Depressed people can be succesfully treated usually. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10803,9,"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Braves offensive offense Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16 Deion Sanders hit a home run in his only AB today. Nixon was 1 for 4. Infield single. Deion's batting over .400 Nixon: around .200. Whom would YOU start? Wise up, Bobby. See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu " 10804,8,"From: howp@skyfox Subject: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo? Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo. I'm considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US) with 30,000 km on the odo. This will be my first bike. Any comments? Thanks. Peter How Institute of Space and Atmospheric Studies University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan CANADA (306) 966-6452 IN::how@skisas.usask.ca ********************************************************************** * 1983 clapped-out Ford Truck * ********************************************************************** " 10805,10,"From: boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) Subject: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 16 Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the ABC coverage for its own? comment: CBC had a great chance for some double headers: Toronto/Detroit and Vancouver/Winnipeg, but today they said that the East gets the Leafs and the West get the Vancouver game. I thought that they would show them both. The GodfAther " 10806,7,From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng) Subject: need info on Mazda 626 Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: na Keywords: Mazeda 626 Lines: 15 I test drove a Mazda 626 LX this past weekend and liked it. The dealer offered it for $15K. 1) Is this a good price? 2) Any comments on 626 in general? Please use email. Thanks Peter att!hotsoup!peng 10807,6,"From: wchau@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wun-Chun Chau) Subject: MFM controller, copy card for sale Organization: UB Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: buttercup.eng.buffalo.edu 16 bit MFM FD/HD controller - $25/b.o. copy card w/ software and cable - $30/b.o. (can copy any protected software) if interested, please reply to this account -- ==wun-chun Chau===============================What a crazy world!============= INTERNET:wchau@eng.buffalo.edu UUCP: ...!{rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!wchau INTERNET:wchau@cs.buffalo.edu BITNET: wchau%cs.buffalo.edu@ubvm.bitnet ===============Do you want to die young? If you know what I mean :) ========== " 10808,8,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice on CB900 Custom purchase Keywords: CB900, purchase Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.204821.8497@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >In article <93Apr14.185235.31833@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >>My mechanic once commented that the 'dual range' transmission was >>pure junk. One mans opinion... >> I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range tranny on it. He usually only used the ""economy"" range to get an overdrive sixth gear out of it. He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen. It was recovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going strong. The CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was made for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive). Helluva bike. A data point, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. " 10809,11,"From: rj@ri.cadre.com (Rob deFriesse) Subject: Can DES code be shipped to Canada? Article-I.D.: fripp.1993Apr22.125402.27561 Reply-To: rj@ri.cadre.com Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc. Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.19 Someone in Canada asked me to send him some public domain DES file encryption code I have. Is it legal for me to send it? Thanx. -- Eschew Obfuscation Rob deFriesse Mail: rj@ri.cadre.com Cadre Technologies Inc. Phone: (401) 351-5950 222 Richmond St. Fax: (401) 351-7380 Providence, RI 02903 I don't speak for my employer. " 10810,16,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 46 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1qvjh9INNh4l@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: > NUT CASE PANICS!!!!JUMPS THE GUN ON THE NET BEFORE GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT!!!! I really don't understand all this! I watched on satellite network feeds as perhaps 90 people died before my eyes, while the two Huey's fanned the flames, and the FBI stopped the firetrucks at the gate. Something was VERY wrong with that scene. Perhaps if I'd watched RAMBO movies, I might've been dulled to the pain of fellow humans dying. Thank GOD I still feel. I'm very sorry for you who don't. For you who think they got what they deserved. Can you really believe that? Even if Koresh was the sadistic mad man they said he was, did the others deserve his fate? If, in fact, he was mad, wasn't that even more reason to believe he duped his followers, and therefore they were innocent, brainwashed, victims? Is there any scenaro that justifies all that death? And if not, it is clear that the deaths would not have occured if the BATF has not FUCKED UP initially, and now the FBI got impaitent and pushed Korech over the edge. And that's if you buy the latest version of the ""story"" hook, line, and sinker. I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the embarrassment to the BATF and the FBI would've been too severe. Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant. There were no witnesses, except the FBI. All information filtered through the FBI. All they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed near the building, and the press could've done their job, and would've been able to back the FBI's story with close up video, while incurring no risk to the press. Unless they did not want the public to see something. The complete lack of any other source of information other than the FBI really causes me concern. Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 " 10811,3,"From: tovecchi@nyx.cs.du.edu (tony vecchi) Subject: two questions Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 14 Two questions: 1: I'm trying to figure out how to access cmos advanced chip setting on a EISA motherboard (AIR) that has AMI bios..specifically I would like to set the atclk or wait states or bus speed on this board, I can't seem to be able to do it..any help in this area would be greatly appreciated. 2: I am looking for a phone number for WANGTEK tape drives, specifically I am looking for jumper settings on a 5099EN24 drive.. Thanks in advance. Tony " 10812,5,"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr21.165310.14544@dsd.es.com>, pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes: > In article <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: > > Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! > > > > Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation > > of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've > > finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. > > I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() > > is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the > > Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory > > pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: > > (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or > > (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! > > Using XPutImage, your source is maintained by the client and the > destination is maintained by the server, thus you incur the overhead > of transporting through whatever client-server communications > mechanism you are using. > > Is it possible for you to maintain your source images in pixmaps? > These are maintained by the server, so copying them into a window is > much cheaper. > > Also make sure you are not sending any unnecessary XSyncs, or running > in XSynchonize mode. If you need speed, and your client can run on the same host as the X server, you should use the shared memory extension to the sample X server (MIT-SHM). xdpyinfo will tell you if your server has this extension. This is certainly available with the sample MIT X server running under SunOS. A word of warning: make sure your kernel is configured to support shared memory. And another word of warning: OpenWindows is slower than the MIT server. I have written an imaging tool (using XView for the GUI, by the way) which yields over 10 frames per second for 512*512*8 bit images, running on a Sparc IPC (half the cpu grunt of an IPX). This has proved quite sufficient for animations. Regards, Richard Gooch.... " 10813,14,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Keywords: Galileo, JPL Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 25 In <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: >In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to >|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? The Command Loss Timer is a timer that does just what its name says; it indicates to the probe that it has lost its data link for receiving commands. Upon expiration of the Command Loss Timer, I believe the probe starts a 'search for Earth' sequence (involving antenna pointing and attitude changes which consume fuel) to try to reestablish communications. No-ops are sent periodically through those periods when there are no real commands to be sent, just so the probe knows that we haven't forgotten about it. Hope that's clear enough to be comprehensible. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. " 10814,2,"From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 20 ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? >Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ). I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad. Wouter. " 10815,17,"From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) Subject: U.S. WANTS IRAN TO END TERRORISM LINKS Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 27 WASHINGTON (UPI) -- A senior State Department official on Tuesday ruled out any softening of U.S. attitudes toward Iraq but said relations with Iran's Islamic regime could improve substantially if that government disassociates itself from international terrorism. ``Despite the name-calling and the harsh rhetoric from across the Gulf, despite all this, we do not take a position of permanent hostility towards the Islamic Republic of Iran,'' David Mack, deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, said. The primary U.S. objection is ``Iran's international behaviour'' which includes ``extending support of violence'' to disrupt the Arab Israeli peace process and its rapid build-up of dangerous weapons. Mack said ``Iran could contribute to regional stability and peace but first it is to end the behaviour which threatens this area.'' Mack spoke at the U.S.-GCC business conference aimed at promoting Gulf-American trade. He said the ``Middle East will be an item very high on the agenda of the U.S. administration.'' The importance of the Gulf is underlined by Secretary of State Warren Christoper's visit last year to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait before anywhere else in the world, Mack said. He added that the U.S. has no long-term plan to station troops in the Gulf. Mack also insisted that the Clinton administration will continue to pressure Iraq to ``comply with all the U.N. Security resolutions.'' ``As long as Iraq is ruled by Saddam Hussein we do not expect compliance,'' Mack told delegates. ""Copyright 1993 by " 10816,5,"From: sivap-s@cs.buffalo.edu (S. Suresh) Subject: Re: screen problem in unix/xwindows/solaris Organization: UB Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: talos.cs.buffalo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] SHONKWILER R W (ma201rs@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote: : Experiment: From a Sun openwindows 4.1.3 xterm window log into a : Solaris 2.x machine using rlogin; now do an ""ls"" and get the first : character of each line display in the last column of the display : with the rest of the line wrapped to the next line of the display. : Log out and the condition persists. Check stty all, try reset : with no effect. The condition happens when the TAB is not set to 8 spaces, set and then check out. -- Suresh Sivaprakasam Department of Computer Science, SUNY Buffalo, Amherst, NY - 14260-0001 Internet :sivap-s@cs.Buffalo.EDU Bitnet : sivap-s@SUNYBCS.BITNET " 10817,11,"From: ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) Subject: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 Organization: C-Set/2 Development, IBM Canada Lab. Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM Lines: 106 >Hmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial >number N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2 >is an intentional way of assuring a ""fail safe"" for the government -- >U is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. If S1 and S2 do not >change they constitute effective ""master keys"" (along with F), the >theft of which (or the possession of which by various authorities) >completely obviates the security of the system. However, more >interestingly, we know, for a fact that if S1 and S2 are fixed no >matter what the keyspace for U is no more than 2^30. Why not pick U1 >and U2 at random? Why this interesting restriction of they key space >if it NOT to provide an additional back door? > >I find it disturbing that at the very best my security is dependant on >approximately 30 bytes worth of information that could be written on >the back of a napkin. > >Even if S1 and S2 change periodically, the rationale behind this >restriction in the size of the keyspace seems strange if one is >assuming that the goal is security -- and makes perfect sense if the >goal is an illusion of security. > >If S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if >they can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key/serial number >pairs. We are assured that this cannot happen -- but no one >understands how Skipjack works outside of government officials and, >soon, foreign intelligence services that gain the information via >espionage. Presumably we will eventually have the information as well >-- reverse engineering gets more and more advanced every year -- but >by the time we know it may be too late. Perhaps the trusted escrow agencies can be the ones who come up with S1 and S2, and if these agencies are really trusted (ACLU & NRA is an interesting example), we can hope that they'll use some physical process to come up with truly random numbers. If the NSA comes up with the numbers, that's a trap door you could drive a truck through. >None of this makes me feel the least bit secure. Me either. It seems from the following that the CPSR is atleats starting to question this bogosity: ---------------------------------------------------------------- April 16, 1993 Washington, DC COMPUTER PROFESSIONALS CALL FOR PUBLIC DEBATE ON NEW GOVERNMENT ENCRYPTION INITIATIVE Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR) today called for the public disclosure of technical data underlying the government's newly-announced ""Public Encryption Management"" initiative. The new cryptography scheme was announced today by the White House and the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST), which will implement the technical specifications of the plan. A NIST spokesman acknowledged that the National Security Agency (NSA), the super- secret military intelligence agency, had actually developed the encryption technology around which the new initiative is built. According to NIST, the technical specifications and the Presidential directive establishing the plan are classified. To open the initiative to public review and debate, CPSR today filed a series of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests with key agencies, including NSA, NIST, the National Security Council and the FBI for information relating to the encryption plan. The CPSR requests are in keeping with the spirit of the Computer Security Act, which Congress passed in 1987 in order to open the development of non-military computer security standards to public scrutiny and to limit NSA's role in the creation of such standards. CPSR previously has questioned the role of NSA in developing the so-called ""digital signature standard"" (DSS), a communications authentication technology that NIST proposed for government-wide use in 1991. After CPSR sued NIST in a FOIA lawsuit last year, the civilian agency disclosed for the first time that NSA had, in fact, developed that security standard. NSA is due to file papers in federal court next week justifying the classification of records concerning its creation of the DSS. David Sobel, CPSR Legal Counsel, called the administration's apparent commitment to the privacy of electronic communications, as reflected in today's official statement, ""a step in the right direction."" But he questioned the propriety of NSA's role in the process and the apparent secrecy that has thus far shielded the development process from public scrutiny. ""At a time when we are moving towards the development of a new information infrastructure, it is vital that standards designed to protect personal privacy be established openly and with full public participation. It is not appropriate for NSA -- an agency with a long tradition of secrecy and opposition to effective civilian cryptography -- to play a leading role in the development process."" CPSR is a national public-interest alliance of computer industry professionals dedicated to examining the impact of technology on society. CPSR has 21 chapters in the U.S. and maintains offices in Palo Alto, California, Cambridge, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. For additional information on CPSR, call (415) 322-3778 or e-mail . ----------------------------------------------- Regards, Ian Ameline. " 10818,7,"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 22 In article <1qn19m$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes: >I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn > stuff deleted... >Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles, >fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or >so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more >like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any >warranty work, without counting against the refund. >--mike > in general extended warranties are a ripoff. this 6yr/60k is really only 3yr/24k because you get the 3yr/36k one *free* with the car. also, is there perhaps a deductible you pay each and every time you use the warranty? also, are certain items excluded from coverage on the extended warranty? and if you use it at year 4 for some 60 buck job and pay a 50 deduct and then you have used it so no refund ever! again, extended warranties are ripoff, high profit items for the dealer. > " 10819,15,"From: sschaff@roc.slac.stanford.edu (Stephen F. Schaffner) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Lines: 18 In article , whheydt@pbhya.pacbell.com (Wilson Heydt) writes: |> As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT.... How would |> you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the |> only extant text was written about *now*? Now adjust for a largely |> illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is |> done by hand.... Considerably better than I feel about, say, the Punic Wars, or the Peloponnesian War (spelling optional), or almost any other event in classical history. How close to the events do you think the oldest extent manuscripts are in those cases? -- Steve Schaffner sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu The opinions expressed may be mine, and may not be those of SLAC, Stanford University, or the DOE. " 10820,16,"From: PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (David Veal) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 43 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: > >Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > [...] > >THIS IS MURDER! > >ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > >THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! Well, chalk one up for driving away sympathies by looking like a paranoid lunatic. > >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. > >I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! Last I heard there were nine. Apparently as of this point they've found no bodies, except those killed during the initial assault a couple of months ago. Be cute if Koresh hit the trail. Maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven. Wouldn't that just make AG Reno's day? --------------------------------------------------------------------- David Veal University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed\ When you pushed me down the elevator shaft\ ... Sometimes I get to thinking you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" Yankovic. " 10821,12,"From: howeg@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Monty Mole) Subject: FM Transmitter Keywords: Old question I know Lines: 14 Can anyone please email a diagram or give me details of an ftp site where there is a diagram of a simple, small fm mono voice transmitter for trasnmitting in the 90-104 range (preferably above 100 Mhz). Only a short distance requiered, and frequency variation no too important but must run from 9v or smaller DC supply. Thanx in advance Monty. -- /\ /\ __ __ /_ howeg@uk.ac.man.cs / \ / \ / / / / / / / howeg@cs.man.ac.uk __/ \/ \_/__/_/ /_/__/_/____________________________________________ ____________________________/ Save The Vinyl! " 10822,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: High Prolactin Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 12 In article <93088.112203JER4@psuvm.psu.edu> JER4@psuvm.psu.edu (John E. Rodway) writes: >Any comments on the use of the drug Parlodel for high prolactin in the blood? > It can suppress secretion of prolactin. Is useful in cases of galactorrhea. Some adenomas of the pituitary secret too much. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10823,1,"From: wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO)) Subject: Re: BW hardcopy of colored window? Keywords: color hardcopy print Nntp-Posting-Host: ic.fwi.uva.nl Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam Lines: 38 mars@ixos.de (Martin Stein) writes: #I use xwd/xpr (from the X11R5 dist.) and various programs of the #ppm-tools to print hardcopies of colored X windows. My problem is, I don't like xpr. It gives (at least, the X11R4 version does) louzy output: the hardcopy looks very grainy to me. Instead, I use pnmtops. This takes full advantage PostScript, and lets the printer do the dirty job of dithering a (graylevel) image to black and white dots. So: if you have a PostScript printer, try: xwdtopnm | # convert to PPM [ppmtopgm |] # .. to graylevel for smaller file to print pnmtops -noturn | # .. to PostScript lpr # print pnmtops Has several neat options, but use them with care: If you want your image to be 4"" wide, use: pnmtops -noturn -scale 100 -width 4 -noturn Prevents the image from being rotated (if it is wider than it is high) -width 4 Specifies the PAPER width (not the image width - see below) -scale 100 Is used because if the image is small, it may fit within a width less than 4"", and will thus be printed smaller than 4"" wide. If you first scale it up a lot, it will certainly not fit in 4"", and will be scaled down by pnmtops automatically to fit the specified paper width. In short: pnmtops will scale an image down to fit the paper size, but it will not blow it up automatically. Hope this helps. Marcel. -- X Marcel Wijkstra AIO (wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl) |X| Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science X University of Amsterdam The Netherlands ======Life stinks. Fortunately, I've got a cold.======== " 10824,6,From: dabennet@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David W Bennett) Subject: looking(music for macintosh) Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: na Lines: 8 I'm trying to set up a personal studio. What I'm looking for are a cheap sampler(rack or with keyboard) or a cheap sound card (AudioMedia I or II or something similar). Cheap is of course relative. 10825,0,"From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder) Subject: Re: ""So help you God"" in court? Organization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper3.lerc.nasa.gov In article 013423TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu, Andrew Newell writes: ->In article <1993Apr9.151914.1885@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu ->(Mark McCullough) says: ->> ->>In article monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david ->>n->>monack) writes: ->>>Another issue is that by having to request to not be required to ->>>recite the ""so help me God"" part of the oath, a theistic jury may be ->>>prejudiced against your testimony even though atheism is probably not ->>>at all relevant to the case. ->>> ->>>What is the recommended procedure for requesting an alternate oath or ->>>affirmation? ->>> ->>>Dave Sorry for using a follow-up to respond, but my server dropped about a weeks worth of news when it couldn't keep up. When the you are asked to swear ""So help you god"" and you have to say it, ask which one; Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, Zues, Odin. Get them to be specific. Don't be obnoxious, just humbly ask, then quitely sit back and watch the fun. --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James L. Felder | Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov ""Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10826,16,"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: the usual Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 41 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes: >The possession of nuclear arms (actually weapons grade fissionables) is >currently regulated only by market forces. I.e.: To own them you have to >either make them, buy them or steal them. The only thing that stops you >is the staggering cost (more than most nations can afford), the fact that >no one who has them wants to sell to you and the tight security maintained >on existing stocks. (Just ask Saddam Hussein). I was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e., plutonium or reactor/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain a federal permit to own such materials. >Given a source of fissionables, you can build a bomb in your garage with >parts from hardware stores and electronic junk supplies. You might have >to engage in some shady dealings to get the explosive charge, but that's >trivial compared to getting the plutonium. The basic information on the >design was declassified years ago and can be dug out of any technical >library by a physics grad student. Actually, why bother looking it up? From the material we covered last term (in 10 weeks) of Ge/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive* what it would take to build a bomb. And as far as the explosive charge, I (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly available chemicals in the garage if I felt like. The electronics behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier, however . . . but not impossible using a few ""tricks of the trade."" And if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of hydrogen and deuterium . . . Of course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material to start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together. (Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .) >The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com) >Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp Laws define crime. >3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (310) 450-9111, x2483 Police enforce laws. >Santa Monica, CA 90405 Citizens prevent crime. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu " 10827,8,"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 28 In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes: >In article craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) >writes: >> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: >> >Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley. >Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each >other, from what I can tell. When we take a hand off the bars we fall down! __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous --Squidonk-- " 10828,0,"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Studies on Book of Mormon Lines: 31 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 31 In article <735023059snx@enkidu.mic.cl> agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) writes: >From: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) >Subject: Studies on Book of Mormon >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 14:15:33 CST >Hi! > >I don't know much about Mormons, and I want to know about serious independent >studies about the Book of Mormon. > >I don't buy the 'official' story about the gold original taken to heaven, >but haven't read the Book of Mormon by myself (I have to much work learning >Biblical Hebrew), I will appreciate any comment about the results of study >in style, vocabulary, place-names, internal consistency, and so on. > >For example: There is evidence for one-writer or multiple writers? >There are some mention about events, places, or historical persons later >discovered by archeologist? > >Yours in Collen > >Andres Grino Brandt Casilla 14801 - Santiago 21 >agrino@enkidu.mic.cl Chile > >No hay mas realidad que la realidad, y la razon es su profeta I don't think the Book of Mormon was supposedly translated from Biblical Hebrew. I've read that ""prophet Joseph Smith"" traslated the gold tablets from some sort of Egyptian-ish language. Former Mormons, PLEASE post. Tammy ""no trim"" Healy " 10829,6,"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: Eric Bosco where are you?! Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Distribution: usa Lines: 4 Eric, send me email with your address, I lost it! I've reconsidered! Kevin " 10830,4,"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed? Organization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures Lines: 18 I just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable (backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put the machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just freeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset switch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error message of ""Co processor not installed"". I know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone have any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix it? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That probably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not kingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine. Any Ideas? -- Gene Wright. -- gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) ------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------ " 10831,0,"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: There must be a creator! (Maybe) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 51 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: syndicoot.engin.umich.edu In article <1993Apr2.144909.806@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >In article <1993Apr2.165032.3356@bradford.ac.uk>, L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: [deletions] >>...Argument from incredulity has not been considered a valid form of >> reasoning since medieval times. [deletions] >Interesting that you should mention that ""Argument from incredulity has >not been considered a valid form of reasoning since medieval times."" I >quite agree. Why then, do some atheists here engage in it? More than >a few times I have read posts where the atheists posting state that >they 'cannot see how a gracious and loving God can allow such evil and >suffering to occur as we see on the earth.' Simply because they cannot >envision it, it must not be true. If this is not an argument from >incredulity, I don't know what is! As you have presented it, it is indeed an argument from incredulity. However, from what I have seen, it is not often presented in this manner. It is usually presented more in the form, ""And *besides*, I cannot see... ...nor have I ever been offered a convincing explanation."" Moreover, it is not unreasonable to ask for an explanation for such phenomena. That theism does not provide a convincing explanation is not an argument in theism's favor. Especially when different theisms offer different explanations, and even different adherents of what is purportedly the same theism give different explanations... > God has far more complex motivations >and reasons for action or non-action than to simply ""fix"" evil whenever >and however it occurs, or even *before* it occurs. And yet, it is this >very same argument from incredulity which ranks high among reasons >why atheists (in general) reject God and in particular the Christian God. Not im my experience. In my experience, the most common reason is the lack of evidence in theism's favor. You mileage may vary. :-> >This seems to be the universal bane of human reasoning and rationality, >to wit, that it is far easier to see the logical fallacy or inept reasoning >on the part of one's opponents than it is to see it in oneself. Oh, heck, I'll be snide this once. :-> It's also fairly easy to attack arguments that are not made. (I.e. 'strawmen'.) >As one Man of Wisdom put it, take the log out of your own eye before you >try to remove the splinter from your neighbor's eye. Sage advice indeed. Sincerely, Raymond Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu ""An apple every eight hours keeps three doctors away."" - B. Kliban " 10832,5,"From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 33 In article 17886@nrao.edu, rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: > The MIT tapes come with documentation written by Keith Packard on the Shared > Memory Extension to X. Look in: mit/doc/extensions/mit-shm.ms > I found this invaluble. Unfortunately, there is a bit of work to set up the > shared memory segments, making an XImage from it, etc. Also, there is an > extension query to determine if the server supports it, but you still need to > test if the server is running on the same host and if shared memory is enabled > in the kernel. I have written layers of convience routines which make all this > transparent. > As for the XView code, well, I doubt that would be considered interesting. > The interesting stuff is done in a C object library. People interested in this > code can Email me. > > Regards, > > Richard Gooch, > rgooch@atnf.csiro.au Thanks for docs info. It turns out that if I leave out colormap updates between frames and use tvtwm, my tests with 100 400x400x8 frames on an IPX using the server-resident pixmap method give an astonishing *50* frames per second! And VERY smooth. I think I've found the best solution (thanks to the generous help on this group!) However, I may have colormap questions later..... Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- " 10833,17,"From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) Subject: PBS Frontline documentary : ""Memory of the camps"" Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 13 Yesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline by the documentary consortia. It is called ""Memory of the camps"" and shows some ""un-censored"" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen and other death camps. I recommend it to everybody. Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast. IT IS A MUST SEE documentary. In the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary on Monday 01:30 am. You can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271. The cost is $59.95. Danny " 10834,11,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > er, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren't yet chosen, how can you >say they have a ""history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]""? I refer to the Federal law enforcement apparatus (which is ultimately in charge of this) generally. " 10835,17,"From: bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! <1993Apr14.201143.20969@src.honeywell.com> <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com> Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems Lines: 32 In-reply-to: amehdi@src.honeywell.com's message of 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT >>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said: In article <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com> amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: . . . >> Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you >> are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you >> are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The >> bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is >> very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only >> policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in >> the middle east! >> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. ^^^ The Syrians? Iranian agents? Or just Israeli invaders? -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ --------------- Gary Bradski I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu | reverberate | Cognitive and Neural Systems --------------- Boston University. | V V 111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215 ^ Y 617/ 353-6426 ^ ^ | -------------- I don't even agree with some of my opinions | or die! | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -------------- " 10836,1,"From: tristant@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Tristan Tarrant) Subject: Paradise VGA Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 13 I have a Paradise SVGA with 1Mb, the 90c030 chip (1D). The docs say that I can display the following modes : 640x480x32k colours and 800x600x32k cols if I have the RAMDAC HiColor Chip. I have checked the board and I do have such a chip. Now, the problem is that I can't get this mode to work ! Graphics Workshop 6.1 claims that it can display 24 bit images dithered down to 15 bit colour with my board, but it doesn't work. I have tried writing some assembler code to get the modes working and I have found out that each pixel is addressed by a word ( 16 bit ), but only the lower 8 bits are considered ( this happens in 800x600 mode, the 640x480 mode refuses to work i.e. remains in text mode ). Could someone please help me. Tristan " 10837,7,"From: kking@cs.uah.edu (Ken King) Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!! Reply-To: kking@uahcs2.uah.edu (Ken King) Organization: Computer Science Dept. - Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 36 In article thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes: > Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after >my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. > > Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? >A replica would be great I think. greetings: you may be in luck. i seem to recall seeing a blurb in one of the kit car magazines about a company in norway who pulled a mould (sp?) off a real kubel, and has adapted it to the beetle floorpan. as for the suspension, all i can remember about the vw thing i used to own is that it had about 3"" more suspension travel than a stock beetle, but i'd heard that there were after- market parts for off-road use that were as good or better. note that the major difference (looks wise) between a kubel & a thing are the hood and the fenders. the kubel had an external spare mounted *on* the hood, and the hood sloped down (for visibility?) sharply, and had rounded fenders. the thing has a lightly sloped hood with the spare mounted inside (unless moved to make for more luggage space...) and has half-hexagon shaped fenders (imagine a nut large enough to put a tire *in*, and cut off the bottom half of it...). unfortunately, i don't have that info anymore. try stopping at a local bookstore and copying down the phone numbers for the two big mag's and calling them. they might be able to get the number for you (don't forget to calculate the time difference to norway before calling...). later, kc -- ___==A==___ | Quick Bones, help me get | #include .---==== ( o ) ====---. | this Klingon off my *ss! | / ~~~~~~~~~~~ \ | Damn it, Jim, I'm a | () kking@cs.uah.edu () | doctor, not a bidet! :) | " 10838,10,"From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Derek Juntunen) Subject: Who will be #1 pick in NHL draft? Distribution: world Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch Lines: 8 I recently bought a pack of prospect hockey cards which had various players that were coming into the NHL. I got this particular card of a Russian named Viktor Kozlov. It says ""many scouts believe he will be the #1 pick in 1993"". Another guy is quoted as saying ""He's as good as Mario Lemieux"". Anyone know who this guy is????? -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 " 10839,11,"From: prz@sage.cgd.ucar.edu (Philip Zimmermann) Subject: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Summary: Ways to fight it Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 71 Here are some ideas for those of you who want to oppose the White House Clipper chip crypto initiative. I think this is going to be a tough measure to fight, since the Government has invested a lot of resources in developing this high-profile initiative. They are serious about it now. It won't be as easy as it was defeating Senate Bill 266 in 1991. Possible actions to take in response: 1) Mobilize your friends to to all the things on this list, and more. 2) Work the Press. Talk with your local newspaper's science and technology reporter. Write to your favorite trade rags. Better yet, write some articles yourself for your favorite magazines or newspapers. Explain why the Clipper chip initiative is a bad idea. Remember to tailor it to your audience. The general public may be slow to grasp why it's a bad idea, since it seems so technical and arcane and innocent sounding. Try not to come across as a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist, even if you are one. 3) Lobby Congress. Write letters and make phone calls to your Member of Congress in your own district, as well as your two US Senators. Many Members of Congress have aides that advise them of technology issues. Talk to those aides. 4) Involve your local political parties. The Libertarian party would certainly be interested. There are also libertarian wings of the Democrat and Republican parties. The right to privacy has a surprisingly broad appeal, spanning all parts of the political spectrum. We have many natural allies. The ACLU. The NRA. Other activist groups that may someday find themselves facing a government that can suppress them much more efficiently if these trends play themselves out. But you must articulate our arguments well if you want to draw in people who are not familiar with these issues. 4) Contribute money to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR), assuming these groups will fight this initiative. They need money for legal expenses and lobbying. 5) Mobilize opposition in industry. Companies that will presumably develop products that will incorporate the Clipper chip should be lobbied against it, from within and from without. If you work for a telecommunications equipment vendor, first enlist the aid of your coworkers and fellow engineers against this initiative, and then present your company's management with a united front of engineering talent against this initiative. Write persuasive memos to your management, with your name and your colleagues' names on it. Hold meetings on it. 6) Publicize, deploy and entrench as much guerrilla techno-monkeywrenching apparatus as you can. That means PGP, anonymous mail forwarding systems based on PGP, PGP key servers, etc. The widespread availability of this kind of technology might also be used as an argument that it can't be effectively suppressed by Government action. I will also be working to develop new useful tools for these purposes. 7) Be prepared to engage in an impending public policy debate on this topic. We don't know yet how tough this fight will be, so we may have to compromise to get most of what we want. If we can't outright defeat it, we may have to live with a modified version of this Clipper chip plan in the end. So we'd better be prepared to analyze the Government's plan, and articulate how we want it modified. -Philip Zimmermann " 10840,10,"From: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se (Daniel Piche) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Reply-To: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Communication Inc. Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: bison.lmc.ericsson.se X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson. Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and not necessarily those of Ericsson. In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: > >Michael Collingridge writes: > >>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, >>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other >>team captain trivia would be appreciated. > >Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to >Pittsburgh? > >Mom. Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New-York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne (you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they strip Wendel Clark of his capta incy in Toronto ? Just some updates and thoughts. Cheer... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Piche (LMC/U/DET - Design) Ericsson Communications Inc. 8400 Decarie Blvd, 1rd floor Town of Mont Royal, Quebec. H4P 2N2 (514)-738-8300 ext. 2178. E-mail: LMCDAPI@LMC.ERICSSON.SE MEMOid: LMC.LMCDAPI CHEERS..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10841,11,"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Distribution: na Lines: 26 In article Graham Toal writes: >In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public >:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few >:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a One more time... If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone to come up with an implementation which was identical, but lacking an escrowed key. Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this case security means ""an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip"". Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy : (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key in government escrow. There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second source, non escrowed, vendor. " 10842,12,"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: HV diodes Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 15 In article <1pohuq$4sq@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com>, wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) writes: |> I believe the only thing that needs correction, Mr. Vanderbyl, is your |> attitude. Nope, Mr. Myers has found the bad mistake and posted a correction, thank God. |> Acting the child won't gain you any favors or make a Who's acting? |> positive impression with anybody. Ghod knows you've make an impression |> on me; just not a positive one. Oh no, I haven't impressed Mr. Higgins. " 10843,14,"From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 20 > > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were: > > > > > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii > > > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii > > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. ... > Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. Same person? -- Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Information! ... We want information!"" utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner This article is in the public domain. " 10844,4,From: trrrc@rc.rit.edu (Thomas R. Ridley) Subject: Token Ring Cards for Macs Nntp-Posting-Host: mutsu.rc.rit.edu Organization: RIT Research Corp Distribution: usa Lines: 6 I am looking for recommendations/experiences of bringing Macintosh CPUs onto Token-Ring Nets. Can someone point me in the right direction for information. Thanks in advance. -Tom 10845,4,From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 2 this is a test 10846,1,"Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.et.byu.edu Lines: 6 Subject: PD 3D Viewer wanted Summary: 3D Expires: May 20, 1993 Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA From: qiaok@bones.et.byu.edu (Kun Qiao) I am looking for a public domain 3d viewer. It does not have to be very fancy. The features I want is simple wireframe display, flat shading, simple transformation. It would be nice to have hidden line. Any information is appreciated. " 10847,12,"From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) Subject: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Nntp-Posting-Host: hprtnyc.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] Lines: 4 oops, that's KNX 1070. KNBR is up in 'Frisco, and down at 680. ==Doug ""San Fran can't be 'the city': Jack Webb told me so"" Claar " 10848,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Nasa (dis)incentives X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 23 [questions and issues WRT congress raised and discussed} Dennis Replies; >Now black when it is white is just white. Except that when black is called >white money is put into the system in a study to find out just when it is >justified to call black, white. It is also apparant that when white is called >black, just the opposite occurs. Now white is a color, but when white is >called black, it calls into question the validity of the color spectrum. ... >It is a given however that NASA nor the military, whose competence in >differentating black from white is well known (remember the black and >white paint on the Saturn V rocket?) That nothing will occur here either. >When black and white are used by congress, who cares nothing for results, >just more money for pork barrel jobs brought about by the black/white >controversy.... Dennis, why must you always see things in black and white terms? :-) -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10849,16,"From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen) Subject: Re: We knew it would happen Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 19 In talk.politics.guns, jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) writes: Well Josh I agree with you to some respect...less your spelling errors. The Gov'mnt always must win! even if they kill every man women and child....by GOD they must win at all costs...... This happens over and over and over in this country. Lets make excuses, get the worthless press to cover up everything, let the officials take the heat for top management stupidity etc...etc... > I am sick with greif for the entire well being of this nation and the > constitution in claims to protect. > > Later, > Josh > >later Morty " 10850,3,"From: root@zeos.com (Superuser) Subject: ZEOS VESA Video Changes & Specs Organization: Zeos International, Ltd Lines: 61 As most of you know, we have recently changed our standard VESA local-bus video card from our own NCR-based card to the new Diamond Stealth 24 VLB card for packages 2, 3, and 4 (package #1 still has the NCR ""screamer'). We also have added the $149 upgrade from the Stealth 24 or NCR to the Diamond Viper to our product list. Below are the comparisons of the different cards in the configurations we will offer: NCR Stealth 24 VLB Viper VLB 64Ox480 Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M * 8OOx6OO Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K 16,256,32K,64K * 1024x768 Colors 16,256 16,256 16,256 1280x1024 Colors 16 16 16 Video Processor NCR 77C22E+ S3 86C805 Weitek Power 9000 Video RAM 1M 1M 1M Max RAM addressable by Vid Processor 3M 2M 2M RAM Type DRAM DRAM VRAM User RAM Upgrade? No (no sockets) No (no sockets) Yes (thru Diamond) 64Ox480 Refresh 60-72 Hz 60-72 Hz 60-72 Hz 8OOx6OO Refresh 56-72 Hz 56-72 Hz 56-72 Hz 1024x768 Refresh 44-70 Hz 43-72 Hz 43-72 Hz 128Oxl024 Refresh 43 Hz 43-60 Hz 43-74 Hz 26 pin VESA Feature Connector No Yes No Conflict with x2E8 port addr (COM4) No YES* No* Drivers for: Win 3.1 Yes Yes Yes ACad 9/10/11 Yes Yes Yes ACad 12 No Yes** Yes** VESA Yes Yes Yes OS/2, WinNT NO*** NO*** NO*** Win 3.1 WINMARKS 10.5M**** 21 M**** 50M**** ^L * Viper VLB with 2M of video RAM also gives 8OOx6OO 16.7M, 1024x768 32K & 64K, and 1280xl 024 256 color. S3-based cards, since they are downward compatible, will have the conflict with 2E8. Diamond admits conflict will exist with the Stealth 24. The prelim Viper manual incorrectly lists the S3 port addresses. No conflict. ** AutoCAD 12 drivers are now currently available for Stealth, SpeedSTAR 24X, Stealth 24 VLB, and Viper VLB. They can only be obtained from Diamond Tech Support, 408-736-2000 and NOT on any BBS. ** OS/2 2.0 is supported for Standard VGA for all cards. SVGA drivers available in the near future. Windows NT is not released yet, and no drivers are available currently. Diamond hopes to have all current products supported in the Win NT release, on the NT disks. *** NCR testing is coming from tests ran in our tech support department was at ZEOS at 1024x768x256 on Zeos DX2-66. These results are not official. Diamond results are from their own DX2-66, 1024x768 256 colors @ 7OHz refresh. " 10851,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Blindsight Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes: >In article <19213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote: >> >> Explain. I thought there were 3 types of cones, equivalent to RGB. > >You're basically right, but I think there are just 2 types. One is >sensitive to red and green, and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow. >This is why the two most common kinds of color-blindness are red-green and >blue-yellow. > Yes, I remember that now. Well, in that case, the cones are indeed color sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10852,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu As someone who reads Israeli newpapaers every day, I can state with absolute certainty, that anybody who relies on western media to get a picture of what is happening in Israel is not getting an accurate picture. There is tremendous bias in those stories that do get reported. And the stories that NEVER get mentioned create a completely false picture of the mideast. " 10853,3,"Subject: AT's need what kinda battery??? From: grisch@uceng.uc.edu (George Risch) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 11 Hello, I'm the proud owner of an IBM AT without a battery. I know it hooks into jumper J21, but I need more info so I can replace it. What's its voltage? Any suggestions for replacement? Where can I get one? Please respond to : grisch@uceng.uc.edu Thanks, -George " 10854,2,"From: finn@convex.com (Tom Finn) Subject: Re: multiple desktops Nntp-Posting-Host: eugene.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 22 In article dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) writes: > >Is there a free/share( ware) package that will allow multiple >desktops in windows 3.1. What is desired is to have a desk top >for several people that each can personalize by name and choice >of programs etc. There's a package called Workspace on cica that has 5 desktops; I haven't done much with it yet, but it seems to be able to do what you want it to. Don't have the exact archive name handy, but it's something like wspace.zip. Tom -- finn@convex.com I speak only for myself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Peace is the name of the ideal we have deduced from the fact that there have been pauses between wars."" Jerry Pournelle in ""The Mercenary"" " 10855,19,"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Lines: 41 In article <8968@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }>}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>}>}(a) out of context; }>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep }>}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? }>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. }>} }>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for }>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a }>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? }> }>Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? } }(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context }(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article } (call it A) that took a quote out of context }(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the } lack of X (a common creationist error) }(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the } conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A Excellent. Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other than a direct assertion by his part. For instance, am I to assume that you have no position on eating shit merely because you have not said your position, or might a conclusion be made by observing that you do not. }(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins } ""Could you please explain ..."" was not a nonsequitur, but was intended } to follow from the sentence that preceded it. }Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it, }explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7) }may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say ""yup."" Have you, by chance, ever even heard of inductive logic? You are not demonstrating any familiarly with it (i.e. you are being insufficiently logical). " 10856,4,"From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) Subject: Re: DCC and MiniDisc: next DAT/DDS like story? Organization: Xenix Support, FICC Lines: 15 In article Tor-Olav.Berntzen@newcastle.ac.uk (Tor-Olav Berntzen) writes: > Another thing, why a SCSI interface ? Because SCSI works well with removable media, and works well with large capacity devices. The floppy interface you suggest handles the former, but it doesn't have any hooks for dealing with the latter... you'd have to kludge it. Plus, it's extremely low performance. AND, SCSI has gobs of room for expansion compared with a floppy (I can just see it, let's stick a 5.25"", a 3.5"", a tape drive, and a MO drive, all on the floppy interface. The possibilities for unexpected collisions are enormous). -- Peter da Silva `-_-' Network Management Technologies Incorporated 'U` 12808 West Airport Blvd. Sugar Land, TX 77478 USA +1 713 274 5180 ""Zure otsoa besarkatu al duzu gaur?"" " 10857,9,"From: ring@poseidon (Sue Rankin) Subject: Camden Yards Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: poseidon.athena.com I am fortunate enough to have tickets for an Orioles-Red Sox game in Baltimore on Saturday, July 31st. I haven't been to the new park, and I was wondering if anyone out there can give me pointers or good tips or anything helpful about the place so that I can enjoy every moment spent there. For instance, what time do the gates open? Do we see the Orioles take BP? When will the Red Sox take BP? Anything you can tell me would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Please respond to my e-mail address. I know it's still three-and-a-half months away, but I'm psyched! Sue " 10858,15,"From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord) Subject: Questions from a newbie Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 56 Is life a pass/fail course, and does God grade on a curve? I'm new here, and only vaguely religious, but I want to know what some of you people think. Specifically, are there an infinite number of Heavens, and a person goes to the one that he/she deserves? Or is it simply Heaven or nothing (Hell?) Also, are we ""graded"" by those around us, or has there always been some unchanging method? Is the person's childhood taken into account? I'm sure these must sound like over-simplifications to most of you, but I figure that you're the experts. -Quinn [Eschatology is an area on which Christians do not agree. I suspect that's because our primary source of information is prophets and visionaries, and their writings tend to be highly symbolic. However both Jesus' teachings in the Gospels and books such as the Revelation to John talk primarily about the difference between eternal life and eternal death. On a number of occasions Jesus does say things that imply some sort of differentiation, e.g. Lk 10:14 and a number of similar passages where Jesus says things like ""even XXX will be better off than you in the judgement."" Also, I Cor 3 talks about someone who gets into heaven, but by the skin of his teeth, as it were. But these passages are not normally interpreted as suggesting separate heavens, so much as differing levels of prestige or punishment in heaven or hell (and not all Christians would even go as far as that). The only Christian group I know of that believes in multiple heavens is the Mormons, and they are very far from mainstream Christianity (far enough that many of our readers would not call them Christian). Their ideas in this area involve specific Mormon revelations, in addition to the Bible and ""Holy Tradition"" of a more generic Christian sort. Note that many Christians will cringe at the very thought of associating grading with God. The whole point of Christ was to free us from the results of a test that we couldn't possibly pass. If you like test analogies, God grades on a very strict and unbending scale, but he also cheats -- he replaces our test papers with an exam that was prepared by the teacher, before actually doing the grading. Because some people end up in heaven and others in hell, it's easy to see why you'd be inclined to think of it as grading. While there are differences among branches of Christianity on details, I think we all agree that in one way or another, God cheats. I am personally very sceptical about anyone who claims to know exactly how far God's cheating extends. Will he accept people who don't explicitly acknowledge Christ, but somehow still follow him in their hearts? Many Christians believe that this is possible, at least in principle, but certainly not all do. Jesus provided us with a clear description of how to be saved, but it's not clear to me that he provided an exact description of how he's going to place the dividing line. Certainly he made it clear that we can't expect to know whether other individuals are saved or not. --clh] " 10859,18,"From: popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell) Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX Lines: 28 croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) writes: > Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h > a martyr a la JFK. > > It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after > watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t > toilet. > > Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him. He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush did. We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind. We'll see in 4 years. Pope Charles Slack in our time! ?s -- popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell) Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763 1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis " 10860,13,"From: mryan@stsci.edu Subject: Should I be angry at this doctor? Lines: 26 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Distribution: na Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The clinic was open till 6:00 pm. The receptionist went to the back and told the doctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not see us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed here. During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several trips to the back room, the receptionist told me: - the doctor was doing paperwork in the back, - the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going to the emergency room; - the doctor would not even speak to me; - she would not tell me the doctor's name, or her own name; - when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said ""I don't know."" I realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but I was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mary Ryan mryan@stsci.edu Space Telescope Science Institute Baltimore, Maryland " 10861,10,"From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) Subject: Re: European expansion and our f*cked system Originator: jpc@condor Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510 Lines: 29 |> How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based |> corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good |> product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's |> record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)). Look how long the Maple Leafs and Nordiques used similar logic.... Not that they fielded bad teams solely to field bad teams, but the Maple Leafs (and a certain dead man who was in charge) were one of the cheapest teams in the history of the sport. Guess what-- they were immensely popular at the gate. The Nordiques have also done well for a team that had missed the playoffs so many years in a row. |> Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan |> problems). Ha! Such humor! They have MAJOR fan problems, namely that on occasion some of them don't make it home from the match! The soccer fans tend to be fanatical, much like the Montreal fans who firebomb the players and coaches houses when they play pathetically. -JPC -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Curcio Go Bruins! Philips Laboratories jpc@philabs.philips.com 345 Scarborough Road (914) 945-6442 Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 " 10862,5,"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Overriding default WM Behaviour Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 48 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I posted this about tow weeks ago but never saw it make it (Then again I've had some problems with the mail system). Apologies if this appears for the second time: Usually when I start up an application, I first get the window outline on my display. I then have to click on the mouse button to actually place the window on the screen. Yet when I specify the -geometry option the window appears right away, the properties specified by the -geometry argument. The question now is: How can I override the intermediary step of the user having to specify window position with a mouseclick? I've tried explicitly setting window size and position, but that did alter the normal program behaviour. Thanks for any hints ---> Robert PS: I'm working in plain X, using tvtwm. ****************************************************************************** * Robert Gasch * Der erste Mai ist der Tag an dem die Stadt ins * * Oracle Engineering * Freihe tritt und den staatlichen Monopolanspruch * * De Meern, NL * auf Gewalt in Frage stellt * * rgasch@nl.oracle.com * - Einstuerzende Neubauten * ****************************************************************************** ----------------------- Headers ------------------------ >From uupsi7!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-mailer Thu Apr 22 17:24:28 1993 remote from aolsys Received: from uupsi7 by aolsys.aol.com id aa19841; Thu, 22 Apr 93 17:10:35 EDT Received: from srmftp.psi.com by uu7.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA02784 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 93 12:04:36 -0400 Received: from expo.lcs.mit.edu by srmftp.psi.com (4.1/3.1.072291-PSI/PSINet) id AA17104; Thu, 22 Apr 93 10:19:31 EDT Received: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:38 -0400 Received: from ENTERPOOP.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:37 -0400 Received: by enterpoop.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA27271; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:14 -0400 Received: from USENET by enterpoop with netnewsfor xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu (xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu);contact usenet@enterpoop if you have questions. To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Date: 22 Apr 93 08:09:35 GMT From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Message-Id: <3873@nlsun1.oracle.nl> Organization: Oracle Europe Subject: Overriding Default Behaviour " 10863,13,"From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Subject: Amniocentesis, et. al. Organization: Suite Software Lines: 7 Reply-To: suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesh.suite.com Is there some difference between the purposes behind amniocentesis and chorionic villi sampling? They sound similar to me, but are intended to detect different things? Thanks.  " 10864,17,"From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) Subject: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace) Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Lines: 85 Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands. Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must never forget... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Unconventional peace proposal > > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past. Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary. >5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the >Middle-East in a graceful manner. This is nothing more than Feisal Husseini's statement that the Zionist entity must be disolved by forcing it to ""engage"" the surrounding ""normal"" Arab society. ""a strong mixed stock"", ""integration of Israeli society into the Middle East in a graceful manner,"" these are the phrases of Nazi racial engineering pure and simple. As if Israeli society has no right to exist per se! >3. Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of >financial incentives to encourage 'mixed marriages'. From their >point of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People >overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of >human rights. The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar >Bronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he >gave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing >assimilation of Jews in the world a , comparable in its >effects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit >either because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see >above) ""the continued existance of a specific Jewish People overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of human rights."" Disolve the Jewish People and protect human values such as love and peace; yes ve have heard this before Her Himmler. Notice how the source of the problem seems to be accruing to the Jews in this analysis. Ya, Der Spiegal ist a gut sourcen... >5. It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to >bring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has >merits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than >$3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government >and by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the >Middle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would >suffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable >climate towards the existence of 'mixed' marriages in >Israel/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a >non-segregated society in that worn-torn land. Nice attempt to mix in a slam against U.S. aid to Israel. >I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as >well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful >discussion and enrichment. > >Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed. -- Chris Metcalfe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we'll find out where you fans really stand... " 10865,3,"From: biediger@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . Biediger) Subject: Tangent Computer (EISA LB system) Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Distribution: usa Lines: 9 Has anyone here dealt with Tangent? I'm looking at an 486 system they have that has an EISA backplane with a VESA slot for video. The SCSI contoller they use is made by Aorta. I've never heard of this brand. Can anyone comment on Tangent or the controller? Thanks, David " 10866,15,"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 26 wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) writes: >The deutero-canonical books were added much later in the church's >history. They do not have the same spiritual quality as the >rest of Scripture. I do not believe the church that added these >books was guided by the Spirit in so doing. And that is where >this sort of discussion ultimately ends. >David H. Wagner >a confessional Lutheran ""Now thank we all our God Whoah whoah whoah WHOAH!!! What?!? That last paragraph just about killed me. The Deuterocanonicals have ALWAYS been accepted as inspired scripture by the Catholic Church, which has existed much longer than any Protestant Church out there. It was Martin Luther who began hacking up the bible and deciding to REMOVE certain books--not the fact that the Catholic Church decided to add some much later--that is the reason for the difference between ""Catholic"" and ""Protestant"" bibles. Sorry for the tone--but that comment really irked me. - Mike Walker mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Univ. of Illinois) " 10867,12,"From: rajan@cco.caltech.edu (Rajan Ranga) Subject: An external timer Article-I.D.: gap.1pli7gINNi6b Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: fleming.caltech.edu I was wondering if anyone knows of a chip that that is similar to the internal timer 0 on the Intel 80C188? I want a timer that has a Maxcount A and B and the output should the same as Intel's timer. I called Intel and they told me that they don't make such a chip. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance. Rajan Ranga E-mail: rajan@cco.caltech.edu " 10868,3,"From: estasic@ic.sunysb.edu (Edward Stasic) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: engws1.ic.sunysb.edu In article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: > >If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick >up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa >busmastering cards. > Do you recall which issue this was in? I posted a message related to this a while back to provoke an argument so that I could get the straight dope on this. This article would probably give me all the definitive answers that I want. Ed Stasic estasic@ic.sunysb.edu " 10869,1,"From: michael_maier@qmgate.anl.gov (Michael Maier) Subject: Round VS Elliptical DOT Screens Organization: ANL Lines: 15 When using Photoshop is there anyway to get an elliptical dot for the halftone screen rather than a round dot ? My printer would prefer an elliptical dot, but I'm not sure how to set it up. I'm sending from a Mac IIci to a Linotronic L300 imagesetter and I am using Photoshop 2.0.1 to make my separations. Any help would be greatly appreshed. T.I.A. Michael (Unscene) Michael Maier, Computer Artist, ANL | [|Ú]---*Z* Glued to the veiw. Email michael_maier@qmgate.anl.gov | ""TV is the milk of Amnesia."" Phone 708 252 5298 | Ñ Michael Maier " 10870,3,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: The infamous Gateway 2000 video/monitor problem: info requested! Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Greg Spath (GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote: : In article , mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) says: : >So, by going mailorder through Gateway, I save ~13%. Plus, I get : >technical support over the phone, free software package. : > : Have fun trying to get hold of technical support over the phone. At least : locally you can walk right up to the dealer and tell him what is wrong, and : he has to fix it. Phone support is quick and competent from many mail order firms, but not so quick and not so competent from others (Gateway included). But my experience with computer retailers (which is significant) has lead to the conclusion that sales personnel and retail-technical personnel are forbidden to actually learn about the products they sell. Talk about incompetent! O.K., so a few percent of their answers are correct, but those salesmen don't even realize how stupid they are. ... ....... O.K. ...I'll settle down now.... .... let me catch my breath..... .. Fact: retail stores never provide a better value in terms of price per product. Retail outlets are desirable, however, to those people who aren't interested in learning about computers enough to make their own decisions. This is fine; for example most of my education about carpeting, wall paper, lawn mowers, microwave ovens, etc. has come from sales personnel. I assume I must be an idiot. But I don't care about those things. I do, however, care about my computer - i.e. I demand features and performance, and I'll be damned if I'll pay some high-school drop out commission on an over-rated, over-priced system and in the process be subjected to his distorted B.S. G.L. are generally so " 10871,19,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 19 I must correct the following in my previous posting: : If you are trying to be objective, you must also recognise that : : 1) the gospels are not independent sources, on the contrary, they : share much of the same material I should have been a bit more careful here - the gospels not only tell us about the same events, they usually use the same wordings. Textual analyses show that Matthew and Luke probably had a common source, which may have influenced Mark, too. Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. " 10872,3,"From: venaas@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Stig Venaas) Subject: Re: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY Organization: ProgramVareVerkstedet - UNIT Lines: 31 In article <1qndvd$jhn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> da416@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Nicola) writes: > >In a previous article, limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com () says: > >>OK all you experts! >>Need answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated >>720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not. >> >>Note: It 'll read 720's with no problem. >> >>Please e_mail or post. >> >> >> >> >If the disk is not an HD-type disk, i.e. with the extra hole in the case >opposite the normal write protect hole, the drive will not write to the >disk. You can punch a similar hole with whatever is handy or buy a small >device, a square hole puncher, for about $19.95...see the back pages of >computer shopper magazine for it. > >To be brief, make the hole any way you can or no writing! > >-- >Andy Nicola > Of course you should be able to write a DD 720Kb disk without making any holes. Stig " 10873,7,"From: bbenson@sscvx1.ssc.gov Subject: Re: mazda - just does not feel right Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: sscvx1 Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory In article , mxm1003@s15.msi.umn.edu (Ram V. Mohan) writes: > I've a 89 mazda 323 with about 42000 miles on it. Recently I do not get > a good feeling of the road, esp. on a wet pavement when driving the car. > It feels as if the car is wandering and there is no grip on the road. > The tires are the original ones and have threads on them (passes the > penny head test). I had the shocks and struts and alignment checked and > things are fine. However I feel like that I dont have the grip of the > road and feel as if the car is wandering esp. on turns. Any help > in this is appreciated. Thanks. > Two shots at it: (1) Check the tires again - if you can see the wear bars, you're down to problem area (and some tires pass a penny test between the bars - that's no guide at all). Your problem in the wet is call hydroplaning. You may not have enough tread left to channel water out from under the tire - so it goes fishy on you as it lifts off the road. (2) Tires age. In particular, soft tire compounds get harder as you put them thru more heat cycles. Harder compounds don't grip as well as soft ones. Effect is very noticable on tires that get very hot very often, such as in competition, but it hits all tires. Bob Benson " 10874,18,"From: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) Reply-To: pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) Distribution: na Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California. Lines: 43 In article , ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ashish Arora) writes: |> Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. |> by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig |> [...] |> |> > The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before |> > the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. |> > |> > Brett |> Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. |> |> cheers Actually not. Brett himself has actually posted the data previously. What declined from 84 to 89, as I remember it, was _percent increase_in_deficit_growth, i.e. the rate of growth of the deficit (2nd derivative of total deficit with respect of to time) decreased. Brett apparently has numbed himself into thinking that the deficit declined. If you keep spending more than you earn, the deficit keeps growing. If you keep _borrowing_ at a lesser rate than you borrowed previously, the deficit increases. You only decrease deficits when your income exceeds spending and you use the difference to pay off debts. Figgie's book paints the real data, pictorially, in gory detail. Each president, essentially ran up twice as much total debt, in half the time. Reagan/congress was simply awful. Bush/congress was unbelievable. As a really rigorous aside to this thread..... During pledge night the other night on the public channel, there was an ""economist"" who gave an hour or so presentation. His data was predictive and based largely on population data. I don't know his name, but his arguments were brilliant. He confirmed, with data, what many of us know with common sense -- the boom of the 80's has nothing to do with government policy, particularly ""supply side"" policy, since taxes do not ""cause"" economic activities. People cause economic activity. More can be explained by watching population waves roll through the years and create cycles. He has made models and predictions for years well into the middle of next century. It will be neat to see how accurate he is. Paul Collacchi " 10875,1,"From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) Subject: Chaos Editions: IDEA (Internation Directory of Electronic Arts) Keywords: electronic art Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 30 I've borrowed the 1992-93 version of this book from a friend...holy moley! What a wealth of contacts. Five-hundred pages of information about electronic artists and organizations around the globe (many have email addresses). An up to the minute database of this information is also available on Minitel (the book's based in France...are there any Internet=>Minitel gates?). The book is printed in French and English. To have you or your organization listed in IDEA, just send your information to: Annick Bureaud IDEA 57, rue Falguiere 75015 Paris France It's free to be listed in it, I'm not sure how widely distributed the book is or how much it costs. I'm not affiliated with them in any way, I was just impressed by their collection of organizations and artists. I highly encourage all involved in electronic media (video, music, graphics, animation, etc.) to send in your entry and encourage them to make their database available on Internet. ...e -- Ed Stastny | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts PO BX 241113 | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS) Omaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis) ---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu " 10876,7,"From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen) Subject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323 Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics Distribution: na Lines: 1 " 10877,11,From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: PGP ideas for IBM systems Lines: 7 : I've been thinking about how difficult it would be to make PGP available : in some form on EBCDIC machines. Don't encourage them. Let EBCDIC machines die an honorable death :) G 10878,12,"From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Organization: RAND Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org In article jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes: >One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV >light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone >know what he was referring to? I don't want to get into a semantic argument, but contrary to some other postings ""near UV light"" /is/ ""actual UV light."" The ""near"" means that it is close to the visible spectrum (i.e. of relatively long wavelength), not that it is ""nearly UV."" (I'm sure you can figure out now just what ""far UV"" is.) Regular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts of UV in the near end of the spectrum, such that a filter can be used to remove the visible light and thus create a weak UV source. Stronger sources are going to require gas (probably mercury vapor) discharge tubes (such as fluorescent tubes with UV phosphor). Be careful, though; strong UV sources can cause physiological damage, especially to the eyes. The shorter wavelengths are the most dangerous. It wouldn't project a beam like a flashlight, but replacing the tubes in a portable fluorescent lantern with UV tubes would be a relatively cheap way to create a portable source. It would be bright enough to be useful, but not dangerously so. -Ed Hall edhall@rand.org " 10879,8,"From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) Subject: What about No-Fault? Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle Lines: 14 Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage. Since the majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system? With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the legal costs out of the system. But it looks like motorcyclists would get screwed. -- Michael ""Chuck"" Bain meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives"" " 10880,12,"From: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk (David Hembrow) Subject: Re: SID chip to IBM system bus Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK Lines: 10 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Mr MC Howell (g90h6721@hippo.ru.ac.za) wrote: : Please don't ask questions like ""why don't you buy a soundblaster"". The : answer is simple ""Overpriced considering the sound quality"". Why not try one of the projects to build a DAC connected to the parallel port as documented in some files which come with modplay ? These vary from a 4 DAC design to a simple single DAC made only of resistors.-- David Hembrow EO Europe Ltd., email: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk Abberley House, Granhams Road, Great Shelford, Cambridge CB2 5LQ, England " 10881,9,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: ""Seer"" Stephenson picks the A.L. East Summary: The division has gone to the birds Keywords: last chance for foolishness Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.733989466 Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 95 Having run completely out of time, I've got to get my prophesies and predictions for the A.L. out. Qualifications -- one of the worse finishes in last year's prediction contest. AL East -- 1993 1. Baltimore Orioles Why the Orioles? Well, I pondered long and hard, and it all came down to this: -- The Blue Jays are going the wrong direction. -- Can't bring myself to pick the Yankees -- Milwaukee was a fluke -- Indians aren't ready to contend -- Red Sox were bad last year, and didn't get any better -- Detroit's pitching will be the new definition of ""replacement level"" ""But you don't really think the Orioles will win, do you."" No. As a matter of fact, I can't see any team in the American League winning either division on paper (with the possible exception of the Yankees, who I hate). But some- body has to win, so I pick the Orioles. ""You don't really think that Brady Anderson is going to repeat, do you?"" No. I'm basing the Orioles prediction on the expectation of big years from Cal Ripken and Glenn Davis. ""Glenn Davis? That's insane"". Yes. So, without further ado: STRONG POINTS: Hoiles, Ripken some years, Olson, getting rid of Billy Ripken. WEAK POINTS: Segui may start. Valenzuela (the original 30-something) may be the fifth starter. Oates puts his best hitters at the bottom of the lineup. (Does anybody else think that might be a calculated maneuver to minimize the effect of a slumping Ripken? If you can't move Ripken out of the #3 spot, why not move the rest of the line up?) WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Glenn Davis wins comeback player of the year. WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: In a tight pennant race, team trades for Pecota. ObPrediction: ""The Streak"" continues. Harold Reynolds leads the team in caught stealing. 2. New York Yankees. STRONG POINTS: Abbot, Key, Perez. Could have best pitching in American League. Boggs should improve on Hayes. WEAK POINTS: Mattingly still considered best hitter. The Steinbrenner factor. (The Yankees lost to the Mets. Can wholesale changes be far behind?) Never count on rookie pitchers (i.e. Wickman & Millitello) to win a division. WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Boggs hits over .300 WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Howe gets arrested again. ObPrediction: Mattingly won't top a 700 OPS. 3. Toronto Blue Jays STRONG POINTS: Management willing to make big deals. Management has eerie power to convince other teams its prospects are not suspects. Olerud. Guzman. Alomar. WEAK POINTS: The Jackson for Bell trade has shaken my faith in Gillick. Losing Stewart may hurt rotation (that's *really* a bad sign). No one in the outfield can get on base. Pitching is thin behind Guzman and Ward. WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Jack Morris considered Cy Young contender in August WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Club makes no major deals in August. ObPrediction: Morris will post better ERA and WHIP totals than last year. And have a losing record. 4. Milwaukee Brewers STRONG POINTS: Pitching staff was exceptional -- last year. WEAK POINTS: Molitor gone. Surhoff at third? Why? Eldred can't keep it up. WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Listach and Eldred play like last year. WOULD BE BAD SIGN: Bones plays like last year. ObPrediction: Surhoff won't finish the year at third. 5. Cleveland Indians STRONG POINTS: Baerga, Belle, Nagy WEAK POINTS: Pitching staff thin -- losing Olin really hurts. Starts Felix Fermin. WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Bielecki's ERA is consistent with his Atlanta starts. WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Ted Power -- bullpen ace. ObPrediction: Alomar will be back on the DL by the all-star break. 6. Boston Red Sox STRONG POINTS: Clemens, Viola, Clemens, Detroit, Clemens WEAK POINTS: Most incompetent GM in baseball. Key free agent signing -- Andre Dawson. Burks is gone -- Hatcher in center. WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Rainouts in between Clemens starts. WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Clemens on the DL ObPrediction: Russell will make Sox fans forget Reardon. Interpret that how you will :-> 7. Detroit Tigers STRONG POINTS: Tettleton, Phillips, Whitaker WEAK POINTS: If Fielder keeps declining, he'll be a shortstop this year. Worst rotation in baseball entirely replaced -- but not necessarily better. This year could be *very* ugly. WOULD BE A GOOD SIGN: Cecil Fielder deserving the MVP. WOULD BE A BAD SIGN: Cecil Fielder not whining about deserving an MVP. ObPrediction: Cecil *won't* lead the league in RBIs. One more division to go.... -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 10882,7,"From: sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership Article-I.D.: bb1t.1993Apr6.125537.1 Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes: > In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: >> >>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >>will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I > > A ""fuel injector cleaning"" at the dealer is probably little more than > them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, > and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the > cleaner yourself for $1.29. This should not be the case if they are at all reputable. Fuel injector cleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is hooked up to the fuel system under high pressure. The car is actually run on the solvent during the cleaning process. The equipment to properly do this is pricey, and generally not something the average home mechanic has. The solvent itself is not very expensive ($5-$8) and you could probably make up a hose to fit your system and do it yourself, but I didn't tell you that... :-) Not many in-tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on. There has been a discussion of these products on here from time to time, and Chevron Techron (not Pro-Gard with Techron) is generally regarded as the best. It is, however, a bit more than $1.29 a bottle. IMHO, it will not substitute for proper injector cleaning if they are really crudded up. You'll have to decide if the $59 price is a better deal than spending your time and/or buying equipment to do it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Keller +1 314 537 6317 The Agricultural Group of Monsanto Company sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com KA0WCH packet: ka0wch@k0pfx.mo.usa.na " 10883,15,"From: tsmith@cs.stanford.edu (Todd Michael Smith) Subject: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 16 In article , johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) writes: |> >Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must |> >do something to ease the pain. |> |> I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know |> who first came up with the ""God-shaped hole"" business? |> Was it Pascal, or maybe Descartes, who first used this figure of speech? I seem to have some vague recollections from reading some of their essays, but I certainly couldn't say it was one of them for sure. ---- Todd Smith tsmith@cs.stanford.edu " 10884,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> |> >>But chimps are almost human... |> >Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will? |> |> Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups |> as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. Ah, the verb ""to must"". I was warned about that one back in Kindergarten. So, why ""must"" they have such laws? jon. " 10885,15,"From: tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) Subject: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?) Organization: ingr Lines: 14 Chuck Petch writes: >Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming >sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days. >Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think >it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it >happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is >drawing near. Look up! How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline? Todd Stevens tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com " 10886,8,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 13 nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: >Did I do the right thing? Denmark, eh? Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car in half. Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you, I certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 10887,12,"From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer) Subject: 6551A and 6551 compatibility Organization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG Lines: 10 Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551.. It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered version perhaps? -- jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox) bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand) " 10888,6,"From: jay@gdx.UUCP (Jay Snyder) Subject: WANTED: avionics equip. Organization: GDX-BBS,Central Pa Unix BBS/anon uucp (717)737-3249 PEP+/2400/1200 24hrs Lines: 21 I'm looking for good deals on the following (used or new): Aviation Headsets (with mic). Handheld Nav/Com tranciever (may consider COM only). Portable GPS or Loran Navigator. Reply here or call: (717)737-3236 (only after 5pm -- please don't wake the night worker in my house). (717)540-2895 if you must call during the day (I can understand if you want your employer to pay for the call). _______________________________________________________________________________ Jay A. Snyder jay@gdx ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay This is your Brain: (unix) GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS) Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Jay A. Snyder jay@gdx ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay This is your Brain: (unix) GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS) Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins " 10889,19,"From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [still not] ANSWERED (Judas) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 180 Mr DeCenso, in spite of requiring Scholarly opinion on the hanging of Judas, rejects that the scholarly opinion of the those scholars and then rephrases those scholars opinion on the subject: > ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records > his death. Although it's possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging > and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be > the case. Therefore, no contradiction. Matthew did not say Judas died as a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he iprobably did, but..? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars' explanations, but > in looking at the texts initially, we can't assume Judas died. It is, > however, highly probable. ^^^^^^ and > Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply > means ""hang oneself"". Actually, if you do further research as to the Greek word ""apacgw,"" you will find that it does denote success. Those scholars did indeed have an excellent reason to assume that the suicide was successful. As I pointed out, I recently checked several Lexicons: ""Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" Louw and Nida ""Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"" ""Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" Grimm ""Word study Concordance,"" Tynsdale ""A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Writings,"" Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich ""The New Analytical Greek Lexicon,"" Perschbacher A couple simply stated ""hanged oneself"", and a couple were more explicit and stated that ""apacgw"" means specifically ""kill yourself by hanging."" A couple also noted that the meaning of one the root words for ""apacgw"" is ""strangle, throttle or choke"" (which pretty much invalidates the guy who suggested to David Joslin that Judas was hung upside down). One of the best references though, ""Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" not only stated the translation, it gave both the root words, the literal translation, related greek words which use the same roots, and also other presented specific examples of the word in greek literature (to give further context). The word ""apagchw"" has two root words: ""gchw"" is the ""to strangle"" root, and the root word ""apo"" means literally ""away."" This root words is included in words which denote a transition. It can mean a transition in place (eg: the greek word ""apagello"" means to send a message). ""Apo"" can also denote a change in state and specifically the change from life to death. Robinson specifically makes comparison to the word ""apokteiuo,"" which means ""to kill."" In literal meaning the word ""apacgw"" means ""to throttle, strangle to put out of the way,"" and implicitly denotes a change in life state (ie: away from life, to death). So while the word ""apacgw"" does mean ""to hang,"" it specifically denotes a death as well. Thus Robinson is quite specific when he state that it means ""to hang oneself, to end one's life by hanging."" He then notes the the use of ""apacgw"" in Homers Odessy 19:230 to denote context. He presents that example of ""apacgw"" as being used to explicitly mean ""suicide by hanging."" Now since there is a perfectly good word for strangling, without the added denotation of ""death,"" and as you insist that the Bible was written by God, and every word is precicely correct, you are stuck with the complete meaning of ""apacgw"" (ie: Since the word ""apacgw"" was used, then death is denoted as the result). By the way, I note that Mr DeCenso also presents an example of ""apacgw"": > In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus), > it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : ""Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice > was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, > to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and > died; and he was buried in his father's tomb."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^ > Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel ""hanged himself"" [Gr. Sept., > APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, ""and died"". Here we have no doubt of the > result. > In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died. Note Mr DeCenso, as you say, the Septuagint was a translation from Hebrew to Greek, and you have not shown the original meaning of the Hebrew (ie"" the the Hebrew say ""and died""), and thus whether it was simply echoed in the Greek. It should also be pointed out that, regardless of the added ""and died"", the correct translation would still be ""apacgw,"" as the man did indeed die from strangulation (redundant, but correct). Further, we have evidence that the Septuagint was repeatedly rewritten and reedited (which included versions which contradicted each other), and such editing was not even necessarily executed by Greeks. Thus I am not sure that you can use the Septuagint as it now stands, as a paragon of ancient greek. So, what you really need to prove your point Mr DeCenso, is an example, in ancient greek, of someone committing ""apacgw"" and surviving. Otherwise I would see you as simply making worthless assertions without corresponding evidence. Now I would note Mr DeCenso, that everytime I go out of my way to research it one of your apparently contrived exegisis, I pretty much find it false. Thus, I think that if you are going to add to the text, something over and above what the source clearly says, then you had better have an explicit Greek or historical source to justify it. By the way, as to Mr Rose's statement about trees around the Potter's Field: > There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. Unless Mr Rose can show that these trees are two thousand years old, or that there are 2000 year old stumps there, or has a 2 thousand year old description of the area which mentions such trees, then it is inappropriate for him to assert that the present placement of trees prove the location of the trees two thousand years ago (after all, things change). Now as to your other argument, ie: that the money Judas used is not the same as the 30 silvers: > As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the > money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather > than some other source. I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically > mention ""the reward of iniquity"" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions > what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 ""...concerning > Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.""). Now I would point out > that when the Bible describes an act of ""iniquity,"" and then immediately > discusses ""*the* reward of iniquity,"" it would be rather inane to suggest that > it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed."" > > > Notice that in verse 16, the word ""iniquity"" is not used. Rather, it states > that Judas ""became a guide to those who arrested Jesus"". > But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, ""for he was numbered with us and > obtained a part in this ministry."" What part did Judas play in their ministry? > ^^^^^^ True, Peter (or the author of Acts) does not specifically call Judas' betrayal ""an iniquity,"" but for that matter, neither does John specifically call Judas' actions ""an iniquity"" either. Further John 13:29 did not say that Judas took the money box, but rather said: ""Some thought that because, Judas had the money box, Jesus was telling him ""Buy what we need for the feast""; or that he should give something to the poor, So after receiving the morsel he immediately went out, and it was night."" Note that it is said that Judas left, it does not say that he took the money box. Thus when I see your explanation it still seems to me you would choose the a an unproven iniquity, mentioned by another author, in a different book, written at a different time, over the iniquity explicitly mentioned by the author of acts. I find this forced and contrived. Of course this particular argument becomes moot, since we have have seen evidence that ""apacgw"" means suicide. You see, since Judas' hanging was successful, he could not have spent the money mentioned in John 13:29, because Matthew and Mark explicitly say the betrayal was on the high holy day (ie: Passover), and thus he could not have spent the money before killing himself the next day. Thus the money which bought the ""Field of Blood"" would have to have been the 30 pieces of silver (Of course he got the 30 pieces of silver that night as well, and thus couldn't have spent that either. Oh dear, I believe that the house of cards is comming down). Maybe we should at this point, discuss now whether Jesus was crucified on Friday or Saturday as that is now part of the argument about Judas. By the way, as to where the prophesy of the Potter's field came from (ie: the mention of it in Matthew), you say: > Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss > this with you. I am reminding you now to discuss it now. It's all part of the same verse we are discussing, and I wish you would quit procrastinating and sidestepping these issues. Later, Dave Butler A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence. David Hume, Philosopher An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding PS. I would note again, that you are not stating that that Bible is not possibly inerrant; you are stating that it *IS* inerrant. Since you have been, by your own admission, presenting merely ""possible"" reconciliations (I of course don't rate them that highly), then the best you can do is say that the Bible is ""possibly"" inerrant, not that it *is* inerrant. " 10890,12,"From: corwin@igc.apc.org (Corwin Nichols) Subject: Re: Fujitsu 8"" HDD Lines: 13 Nf-ID: #R:1993Apr17.204351.2256@aber.ac.uk:-1606259317:cdp:1466200011:000:729 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!corwin Apr 19 08:23:00 1993 The Fujitsu 2322 uses what is known as an 'SMD' interface (Storage Module Device?). A lot of older minis used it. Sun still does on their server models. There are several different speeds of SMD, and I think that the Fuji drive you have is rated at about 24 Mb/sec (thats megabits). There used to be several companies that made couplers for the PC (Interphase in Texas being one), but I think that the market pretty much has dried up. Controllers for this type of drive are readily available for VME buses though. Rumor has it that there is a SMD to SCSI adapter available, but I think that it was designed for slower SMD devices. In other words, if you have a PC or Mac, that drive is pretty much dogmeat. Cheers, Corwin " 10891,19,"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 31 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire >on their house, killing most of the people inside. > >I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what >they were doing, and it's their own actions. > >What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, >including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful >conditions. > >If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud >that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. > >You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare >the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. > >I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity >knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think >the actions today would produce a good picture of your >religion? > > >Kent > >--- >sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. Surely you are not equating David Koresh with Christianity? The two are not comparable. " 10892,9,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: Why Spanky? Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 37 Sherri Nichols writes > In article <1ql93bINN1s5@postoffice1.psc.edu> boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) writes: > > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. > >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order > >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and > >Prince is coming along nicely! > > Tom Prince is a 28 year old no-hit catcher. Think of him as a young Dann > Bilardello. Or a young Don Bordello... > I can't begin to fathom why the Pirates have been so afraid of > losing this guy, who's been in AAA most of the last 5 seasons. The Pirates > released Kirk Gibson last year because Prince was out of options, then > eventually sent Prince down anyway, and he cleared waivers without a peep. > He's another year older, and still can't hit; why do they think he wouldn't > clear waivers now? Why would they care? There's a strong possibility that the Bucs have absolutely no other catching prospects in the minors at this point -- at least nobody ready for any serious AAA/majors duty. The main reason they might have stayed with Prince could be just age, especially if Spanky was creeping toward his mid-30s or something. All things considered, though, I'd be a lot more comfortable with Spanky behind the plate than Prince. Isn't there decent backup backstop out there looking for work? > Sherri Nichols > snichols@adobe.com -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* " 10893,3,"From: impster@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Charles Budensiek) Subject: Re: Leading Edge Computer-Buy? Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu In article <1993Apr18.023428.17605@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu (cis083 sec001 spr93) writes: > > I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good >computer or does someone see something wrong with it. I also would like to [stuff deleted] > > Leading Edge- Model PC4170E > > * Intel 486SX/25 Mhz CPU > * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?) > * Upgradable to 486DX2/66 > * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB > * 8 KB internal cache > * 1.2 MB 5 1/4"" & 1.44 MB 3.5"" Disk Drives > * 213 MB Hard Drive > * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution > * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors > * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots > * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible) > * 4 5.25"" drive bays, 3 external > * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port > * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin) > * One 15-pin analog video connector > * One PS/2 Compatible mouse port > * 200 Watt power supply > * 101 key keyboard and mouse included > * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows > > The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this. Is it a good price? > > Thanks! > I recently bought a Leading Edge 80386DX-33 and everything works fine. Leading Edge seems to be a decent brand and what-not. I would tend to say that it is a decent deal. The only things you might want to be wary about is that my L.E. computer has a back-plane mounted motherboard. Ie: The motherboard itself is a card that can be plugged in to a backplane. Some people don't like these configurations. The second thing is that whoever set up my computer at the factory didn't really know what they were doing. The installed windows video driver didn't even take advantage of the SVGA card/Monitor. Look forward to configuring the system optimally yourself. -- ============================================================================= | ""Anyone have a coat hanger? My brain itches."" | impster@umcc.ais.org | ""If I was a turnip, would I be revered and | Charles Budensiek | ""worshipped like I would deserve to be?"" | ph #: Ask if you want it. " 10894,17,"From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) Subject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1026 Organization: Stanford University Lines: 19 farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes: >From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 >-------------------------- > > [...] > >o Dr. Malekzadeh, the minister of health mentioned that > the population growth rate in Iran at the end of 1371 > went below 2.7 I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period is so small (at the end of 1371)? Is it adequete to suggest a trend or is it just noise? > - Farzin Mokhtarian --mack " 10895,13,"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 33 In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > >In article <1993Apr13.093300.29529@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >> >>""Weight rebound"" is a term used in the medical literature on >>obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet >>cycle. There are any number of terms which mean one thing to > >Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >is shared only among you obesity researchers? Not one, but two: Obesity in Europe 88, proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 " 10896,6,"From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? Nntp-Posting-Host: rufus.erenj.com Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr3.152922.12050@iscsvax.uni.edu>, harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: |> Fellow netters, |> |> Is anybody awake out there? When someone posted a message telling people to |> stop posting computer ads to the misc.forsale group, he got about thirty |> response here, not to mention the rash of E-Mail I'm sure he received. Yet, |> another person posts a message with the subject line ""blow me"" and an even |> worse text, and only 3 or 4 people have the guts to say anything. The majority Not to mention the thread about selling someone's wife. I am a guy, therefore not overly bummed by it, but a little common sense would dictate that this is offensive to many women, and not really necessary. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Ferguson Exxon Research & Engineering Co. Project Engineer New Jersey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- All opinions, not official view of Exxon. ""I must ask the question...are we going to play Stonehenge tonight?"" " 10897,9,"From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu> (Steve Tomassi) writes: >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both > >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. Are you for real? How many Gold Gloves does Ozzie Smith have? If a guy hung around and hit 30 homers a year for 15 years, wouldn't he be a given for the Hall? Is defense not just as important? And if Robin Yount couldn't hit, why would he have stuck around long enough to get 3,000 hits? Are you saying 3,000 hits is a fluke? 3,000 hits is no big deal? > Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors >so > >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if >something > >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When > >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential > >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to I agree, Garvey and Morris don't deserve it. >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? Well, based on your argument, Nolan Ryan doesn't deserve the Hall of Fame. He is just a right hander who stuck around for a long time and could throw hard. Very few 20 game winning seasons, lots of losing seasons, lots of walks. No Cy Young awards. How does Nolan Ryan compare to a guy like Steve Carlton who dominated 5 or 6 Major League seasons, won 7 divisons, 2 World Series, and won half of his teams games in 1972? He doesn't compare. Not even close. Kirby Puckett hasn't done it long enough for me. Give me 5 more seasons like he's been having, then I'll think about it. " 10898,17,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan Summary: asking not to fight against Armenians in Karabakh & for unification Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 106 04/19/1993 0000 Lezghis Astir By NEJLA SAMMAKIA Associated Press Writer GUSSAR, Azerbaijan (AP) -- The 600,000 Lezghis of Azerbaijan and Russia have begun clamoring for their own state, threatening turmoil in a tranquil corner of the Caucasus. The region has escaped the ethnic warfare of neighboring Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia and Ossetia, but Lezhgis could become the next minority in the former Soviet Union to fight for independence. Lezghis, who are Muslim descendents of nomadic shepherds, are angry about the conscription of their young men to fight in Azerbaijan's 5-year-old undeclared war with Armenia. They also want to unite the Lezghi regions of Azerbaijan and Russia, which were effectively one until the breakup of the Soviet Union created national borders that had been only lines on a map. A rally of more than 3,000 Lezghis in March to protest conscription and demand a separate ""Lezghistan"" alarmed the Azerbaijani government. Officials in Baku, the capital, deny rumors that police shot six demonstrators to death. But the government announced strict security measures and began cooperating with Russian authorities to control the movement of Lezhgis living across the border in the Dagestan region of Russia. Visitors to Gussar, the center of Lezhgi life, found the town quiet soon after the protest. Children played outdoors in the crisp mountain air. At the Sunday bazaar, men in heavy coats and dark fur hats gathered to discuss grievances ranging from high customs duties at the Russian border to a war they say is not theirs. ""I have been drafted, but I won't go,"" said Shamil Kadimov, gold teeth glinting in the sun. ""Why must I fight a war for the Azerbaijanis? I have nothing to do with Armenia."" More than 3,000 people have died in the war, which centers on the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, about 150 miles to the southeast. Malik Kerimov, an official in the mayor's office, said only 11 of 300 locals drafted in 1992 had served. ""The police don't force people to go,"" he said. ""They are afraid of an uprising that could be backed by Lezghis in Dagestan."" All the men agreed that police had not fired at the demonstrators, but disagreed on how the protest came about. Some said it occurred spontaneously when rumors spread that Azerbaijan was about to draft 1,500 men from the Gussar region, where 75,000 Lezghis live. Others said the rally was ordered by Gen. Muhieddin Kahramanov, leader of the Lezhgi underground separatist movement, Sadval, based in Dagestan. ""We organized the demonstration when families came to us distraught about draft orders,"" said Kerim Babayev, a mathematics teacher who belongs to Sadval. ""We hope to reunite peacefully, by approaching everyone -- the Azerbaijanis, the Russians."" In the early 18th century, the Lezhgis formed two khanates, or sovereignties, in what are now Azerbaijan and Dagestan. They roamed freely with their sheep over the green hills and mountains between the two khanates. By 1812, the Lezghi areas were joined to czarist Russia. After 1917, they came under Soviet rule. With the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the 600,000 Lezghis were faced for the first time with strict borders. About half remained in Dagestan and half in newly independent Azerbaijan. ""We have to pay customs on all this, on cars, on wine,"" complained Mais Talibov, a small trader. His goods, laid out on the ground at the bazaar, included brandy, stomach medication and plastic shoes from Dagestan. ""We want our own country,"" he said. ""We want to be able to move about easily. But Baku won't listen to us."" Physically, it is hard for outsiders to distinguish Lezhgis from other Azerbaijanis. In many villages, they live side by side, working at the same jobs and intermarrying to some degree. But the Lezhgis have a distinctive language, a mixture of Arabic, Turkish and Persian with strong guttural vowels. Azerbaijan officially supports the cultural preservation of its 10 largest ethnic minorities. The Lezghis have weekly newspapers and some elementary school classes in their language. Autonomy is a different question. If the Lezghis succeeded in separating from Azerbaijan, they would set a precedent for other minorities, such as the Talish in the south, the Tats in the nearby mountains and the Avars of eastern Azerbaijan. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 " 10899,4,"From: (iisi owner) Subject: iisi clock upgrades Organization: cumc Lines: 4 Any new reports about iisi clock upgrade to 25 mhz, 33 mhz? Any failures? -a iisi owner with a slow mac and an itchcy soldering iron " 10900,4,"From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: re: mac portable vs. powerbook 100 answers (?) Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 37 Regarding the post for information about the Mac Portable and the Powerbook 100, here are a couple of the answers: (1) Does the Mac Portable support Appletalk? Yes (2) What CPU is in the Mac Portable? A low power version of the 68000 running at 15.87 Mhz. (3) Does the Mac Portable run system 7? Yes, although it does use up a lot of memory. (4) Is memory still availabe for the Portable? There are several vendors that still make RAM for the Portable. There are two options: Some vendors sell memory that plugs into the RAM Slot inside the portable. Others sell memory that plugs into the Processor Direct Slot. Either way, the most memory you can address is either 8 or 9 megabytes, depending on whether the Portable is Backlit or not. King Memory and Peripherials in Irvine California is the cheapest place I know of for Portable memory. 2MB - $140, 4 MB, $250, and 7 MB $415. I still see several ads in macuser that are selling 4 MB modules for $450. Wide variety in pricing here. (5) What is the internal HD? Its a Conner CP-3045 40 MB HD with an average access time of about 25 ms. (6) Is the screen better that the PB 100? Heavens yes! The PB 100 is a backlit PASSIVE matrix screen which means it fades out on you if you move your head a few degrees left or right. The Portable has a backlit or non-backlit ACTIVE Matrix screen which I think is a joy to read. Other things to consider - Where to get the portable and how much to pay for it? A good supplier has been SelectTerm in Mass. They were willing to sell a 2MB Non-backlit Portable with an internal 2400 bps modem for about $650. Or a 4 MB Backlit Portable with an internal 2400 bps modem for about $900. The answer is call around for a good while or you'll pay too much. I'm still looking for an internal FAX modem for the portable? Anybody got one they want to sell? -- Good Luck, Gene Wright -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville " 10901,6,From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer) Subject: engagement ring give up Summary: Beautiful 14k gold band with a .33 carat diamond. very clean. Keywords: holmes Article-I.D.: moe.1psvhj$gp5 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu Diamond engagement ring. 14k gold band. 33point diamond. appraised at 1900 dollars. Will sell for 600 dollars. Appraisal available upon request. send e-mail to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu 10902,4,"From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin) Subject: FPU in an SE (probably a dumb question...) Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin Lines: 11 is it possible to fit an FPU in a mac SE? (not a SE/30, but the plain old SE); if possible, would I get any speed increase? what would be the reference of the chip? thanks in advance, -- %%Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, phone:(+353-1)7021539, e-mail:sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie %%Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, fax:(+353-1)6772204 %%Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland- ASK-18 " 10903,6,"From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford) Subject: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale Organization: AT&T Distribution: nj Keywords: Ariens Riding Lawn Mower for Sale Lines: 30 1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER This mower is in perfect condition and contains the following features: - Electric Start - 26 inch cut - Double Rear Baggers - New Battery - New Engine (one year old) - Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride) - Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride) - Tuned up and blade sharpened in the past month I am moving into a house that has a small area of grass to cut and does not require such large mower. The engine was replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to some faulty work done by a lawn mower repair shop. PRICE: $600.00 PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Day) 609-259-0763 (Nights & Weekends) " 10904,6,"Subject: CD ROM From: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico) Reply-To: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico) Distribution: world Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055 Lines: 2 IBM 3510-001 cd-rom drive 350ms. drive only make offer or trade. " 10905,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: sgi Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <114127@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: |> |> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic |> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify |> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, |> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ |> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting |> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic |> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than |> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. Then Mr Mozumder is incorrect when he says that when committing bad acts, people temporarily become atheists? jon. " 10906,2,From: cca20@keele.ac.uk (J. Atherton) Subject: serial printing in Windows Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] I am getting Garbled output when serial printing thru Windows & works etc. This has occurred on several systems and goes if a LaserJet 4 is used. I suspect that there is no need for handshaking in this case due to the capacity (memory/speed) of it. There is no problem printing from DOS. Are there any obvious tweaks I'm missing. I'm sure its not JUST me with this problem. Thanks for reading.... John Atherton 10907,7,"From: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler) Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project EOS Lines: 143 In article <1993Apr20.002651.20797@sco.com> nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan) writes: > >""Jeremy G. Mereness"" says: >> >>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in >>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc? >> >>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something >>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I >>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX. ... >I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles) >after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, >and Celica. ... >The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its >reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments: > >My dislikes: >Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal. Some other owners on the ford-probe@world.std.com mailing list have commented about this problem, but I haven't seen it happen on my 3 month old '93 Probe GT. I think this may be something that Ford has corrected since the initial batch of cars. Also, someone said that Ford has issued a service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem, so you may be able to get your dealer to fix it. >Headlights have ""stuck"" up a few times (weather?) >air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch) >condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely. Haven't seen any of these problems, nor have I seen these mentioned on the mailing list, so these might just be having bad luck with these. >crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical) Definitely! >parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts >underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical). >assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not >stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke. No problems like these either. I haven't been able to find any obvious places where they screwed up. >Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies! Hmmm! I got two keys with my car. Something tells me you got stiffed by your dealer on this. (Actually, if you count the ""credit card"" key that came in the owner's binder, I got 3 keys, but since the credit card key doesn't have any teeth cut in it yet, I guess I won't count it. :-)) >Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when >I bash my head on the corner. >horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) The latter is probably because of the air bag. It's pretty much takes up all the space where you'd expect to find the horn. Speaking of the horn, I was surprised to find that the Probe comes with one of those nice 'merican sounding horns instead of the Japanese sounding kind. The previous Probes had Japanese horns. >Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car Yeah, not very badly, but enough to be annoying sometimes. >My Likes: >engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1 >handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits) >transmission (the 5 speed is a must) >usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere) >Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive) >stability at 100+mph (high gearing though) >low cowl (good visibility in front) >Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather) >ABS/Air bag (see above) >rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important) >No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!) >Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-) I agree strongly with all of the above, especially about the engine. The interior is very, very nice too. Very pleasing to the eye, and ergonomically sound. ... >I drive it to and from work >each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the >Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a >potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is >tolerable. Yes, this car's stiff suspension isn't for everyone. I personally like it, but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car, I'd strongly suggest looking into the MX-6. >If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find >that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides >differently (if that's ""better"" is up to you). The problem with the back seat is that there's no leg room. Plenty of head room, though. Shorter people fit back there without any complaints, so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to give them a place to put their feet. >Also, there's a lot of glass >around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty >hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about >the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with >the heat. The power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car. :-) I really enjoy the moonroof, by the way, but then I've always been a sucker for open air driving. No leakage problems or anything like that...yet! >I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine. I haven't heard about this one. I know that some of the very early Probes ('89 and maybe '90) had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers (which Ford will replace at no charge), but I haven't heard about anything like this concerning the '93 Probes. I haven't had any real trouble with this car outside of a CV joint boot that was leaking, but the dealer took care of that promptly, and even gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that I was without my car. I was quite happy with the way they handled...especially considering that I was expecting the worst from them! From what I've heard, it sounds like Ford/Mazda had some QC problems with the Probe (and probably MX-6) when they first went into production, but I think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point. That's almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this, though. Hope this helps, -chuck- -- Chuck Kesler /|< Internet: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu Unix Systems Programmer | US Mail: Box 7901, NCSU Campus Engineering Computer Operations | Raleigh, NC 27695 USA North Carolina State University | Phone: +1 919 515 2458 " 10908,1,"From: greg@cs.uct.ac.za (Gregory Torrance) Subject: Automatic layout of state diagrams Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town Lines: 18 Hi, I'm hoping someone out there will be able to help our computer science project group. We are doing computer science honours, and our project is to do a 'graphical simulator for a finite state automata'. Basically, the program must draw a diagram of a FSA from a textual grammar, showing circles for states, and labeled arc's in-between. The problem is working out the best way to layout the states, and draw the arc's in-between so that as few arc's as possible cross each other. If anyone has any suggestions/algorithms/bug-free ready to compile C code :) that might help us, it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Gregory " 10909,3,From: schwabam@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL SCHWABAUER) Subject: Tseng Labs Video Card Problem Lines: 7 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 7 I have a Tseng labs video card that gives me problems when I do anything in super VGA mode. CHECKIT v3.0 reports a Video Page Frame Address Error at Page Frame #7. What does this mean and how (if I can) could this be fixed? The card Says ET4000Ax on it. Thanks 10910,0,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: > The probability that the ""automobile system"" will kill someone >> innocent in an accident goes asymptotically close to 1, just >> like the court system. >However, anyone who doesn't like the ""automobile system"" can >opt out, as I have. This isn't true. Many people are forced to use the ""automobile system."" I certainly don't use it by choice. If there were other ways of getting around, I'd do it. >Secondly, we do try to make the ""automobile system"" as safe >as possible, because we *do* recognize the danger to the >innocent, whereas the US - the current example - is not trying >to make the ""Court System"" safer, which it could fairly easily >do by replacing fatal punishments with non-fatal punishments. But I think that the Court system has been refined--over hundreds of years in the US, Britain, and other countries. We have tried to make it as fair as possible. Can it be made better (without removing the death penalty)? Besides, life imprisonment sounds like a fatal punishment to me. keith " 10911,5,"From: smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) Subject: Re: XVideo Information Organization: UN*X Technologies Lines: 13 The product you mention is XVideo from Parallax Graphics in Santa Clara, California, US. You can read our product review in the Jan/Feb '93 issue of The X Journal. That issues focuses on Multimedia and X, in which there are also a number of other useful items, including an article on Video in an X Window. Fax our New York office at 212.274.0646 for information on obtaining back issues. Steve -- Steven Mikes - Editor - The X Journal 1097 Eastbrook Rd., Martinsville, NJ 08836 OFFICE: 908.563.9033 - FAX: 908.560.8635 ""Serving The X Window System Community"" " 10912,9,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Ozzie Smith a Defensive Liability? Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes: >In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 >> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, >>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few >>years may be a defensive liability. > >That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... Why? Do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until he reaches his seventy-third birthday, or something? Why is it such a strange concept that a forty-one-year-old Ozzie Smith might be a defensive liability in 1996? -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | " 10913,1,"From: se92psh@brunel.ac.uk (Peter Hauke) Subject: Re: Grayscale Printer Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 13 Jian Lu (jian@coos.dartmouth.edu) wrote: : We are interested in purchasing a grayscale printer that offers a good : resoltuion for grayscale medical images. Can anybody give me some : recommendations on these products in the market, in particular, those : under $5000? : Thank for the advice. -- *********************************** * Peter Hauke @ Brunel University * *---------------------------------* * se92psh@brunel.ac.uk * *********************************** " 10914,9,"From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) Subject: Re: Best Sportwriters... Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 23 In article , rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Bighelmet) writes: >csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > > >>Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting??? > >I happen to be a big fan of Jayson Stark. He is a baseball writer for the >Philadelphia Inquirer. Every tuesday he writes a ""Week in Review"" column. >He writes about unusual situations that occured during the week. Unusual >stats. He has a section called ""Kinerisms of the Week"" which are stupid >lines by Mets brodcaster Ralph Kiner. Every year he has the LGTGAH contest. >That stands for ""Last guy to get a hit."" He also writes for Baseball >America. That column is sort of a highlights of ""Week in Review."" If you >can, check his column out sometime. He might make you laugh. Might? You'd have to have no sense of humor at all not to! My favorite stuff are the Zero Heros, players who haven't hit homers in a long time, the LGTGAH (who is that named after, I can't remember), and the box score line of the week. Incidentally, I just found out that the column has been moved to Sundays. I get my Dad to send it to me up here in Boston every week. Great stuff! Adam ""A Phaithful Phillies Phan"" Levin " 10915,15,"From: davem@bnr.ca (Dave Mielke) Subject: Does God love you? Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 416 I have come across what I consider to be an excellent tract. It is a bit lengthy for a posting, but I thought I'd share it with all of you anyway. Feel free to pass it along to anyone whom you feel might benefit from what it says. May God richly bless those who read it. ======================================================================= D O E S G O D L O V E Y O U ? Q. What kind of question is that? Anyone who can read sees signs, tracts, books, and bumper stickers that say, ""God Loves You."" Isn't that true? A. It is true that God offers His love to the whole world, as we read in one of the most quoted verses in the Bible: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 However, God's love is qualified. The Bible says: The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 15:9 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Psalm 1:6 Q. But I am not wicked. I am a decent, moral person. Surely the good I have done in my life far outweighs whatever bad I have done. How can these verses apply to me? A. By God's standard of righteousness even the most moral person is looked upon by God as a desperate sinner on his way to Hell. The Bible teaches that no one is good enough in himself to go to Heaven. On the contrary, we are all sinners and we are all guilty before God. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3:10-11 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9 Q. If I am such a wicked person in God's sight, what will God do to me? A. The Bible teaches that at the end of the world all the wicked will come under eternal punishment in a place called Hell. For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. Deuteronomy 32:22-24 Q. Oh, come on now! Hell is not real, is it? Surely things are not that bad. A. Indeed, Hell is very real, and things are that bad for the individ- ual who does not know the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior. The Bible makes many references to Hell, indicating that it is both eternal and consists of perpetual suffering. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:49-50 ... when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 Q. That is terrible! Why would God create a Hell? A. Hell is terrible, and it exists because God created man to be accountable to God for his actions. God's perfect justice demands payment for sin. For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:23 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:36 Q. Does that mean that at the end of the world everyone will be brought to life again to be judged and then to be sent to Hell? A. Indeed it does; that is, unless we can find someone to be our substitute in bearing the punishment of eternal damnation for our sins. That someone is God Himself, who came to earth as Jesus Christ to bear the wrath of God for all who believe in Him. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21 Q. Are you saying that if I trust in Christ as my substitute, Who was already punished for my sins, then I will not have to worry about Hell anymore? A. Yes, this is so! If I have believed in Christ as my Savior, then it is as if I have already stood before the Judgment Throne of God. Christ as my substitute has already paid for my sins. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 Q. But what does it mean to believe on Him? If I agree with all that the Bible says about Christ as Savior, then am I saved from going to Hell? A. Believing on Christ means a whole lot more than agreeing in our minds with the truths of the Bible. It means that we hang our whole lives on Him. It means that we entrust every part of our lives to the truths of the Bible. It means that we turn away from our sins and serve Christ as our Lord. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:19 Q. Are you saying that there is no other way to escape Hell except through Jesus? What about all the other religions? Will their followers also go to Hell? A. Yes, indeed. They cannot escape the fact that God holds us account- able for our sins. God demands that we pay for our sins. Other religions cannot provide a substitute to bear the sins of their followers. Christ is the only one who is able to bear our guilt and save us. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12 Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 Q. Now I am desperate. I do not want to go to Hell. What can I do? A. You must remember that God is the only one who can help you. You must throw yourself altogether on the mercies of God. As you see your hopeless condition as a sinner, cry out to God to save you. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. Luke 18:13 ... Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, ... Acts 16:30-31 Q. But how can I believe on Christ if I know so little about Him? A. Wonderfully, God not only saves us through the Lord Jesus, but He also gives us the faith to believe on Him. You can pray to God that He will give you faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:8 God works particularly through the Bible to give us that faith. So, if you really mean business with God about your salvation, you should use every opportunity to hear and study the Bible, which is the only Word of God. In this brochure, all verses from the Bible are within indented paragraphs. Give heed to them with all your heart. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 Q. But does this mean that I have to surrender everything to God? A. Yes. God wants us to come to Him in total humility, acknowledging our sinfulness and our helplessness, trusting totally in Him. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalm 51:17 Because we are sinners we love our sins. Therefore, we must begin to pray to God for an intense hatred of our sins. And if we sincerely desire salvation, we will also begin to turn from our sins as God strengthens us. We know that our sins are sending us to Hell. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 3:26 Q. Doesn't the Bible teach that I must attend church regularly and be baptized? Will these save me? A. If possible, we should do these things, but they will not save us. No work of any kind can secure our salvation. Salvation is God's sovereign gift of grace given according to His mercy and good pleas- ure. Salvation is Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:9 Q. What else will happen at the end of the world? A. Those who have trusted in Jesus as their Savior will be transformed into their glorious eternal bodies and will be with Christ forever- more. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Q. What will happen to the earth at that time? A. God will destroy the entire universe by fire and create new heavens and a new earth where Christ will reign with His believers forever- more. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ... Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10,13 Q. Does the Bible give us any idea of when the end of the earth will come? A. Yes! The end will come when Christ has saved all whom He plans to save. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14 Q. Can we know how close to the end of the world we might be? A. Yes! God gives much information in the Bible concerning the timing of the history of the world and tells us that while the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night for the unsaved, it will not come as a thief for the believers. There is much evidence in the Bible that the end of the world and the return of Christ may be very, very close.* All the time clues in the Bible point to this. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7 Q. But that means Judgment Day is almost here. A. Yes, it does. God warned ancient Nineveh that He was going to destroy that great city and He gave them forty days warning. And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. Jonah 3:4 Q. What did the people of Nineveh do? A. From the king on down they humbled themselves before God, repented of their sins, and cried to God for mercy. But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? Jonah 3:8-9 Q. Did God hear their prayers? A. Yes. God saved a great many people of Nineveh. Q. Can I still cry to God for mercy so that I will not come into judg- ment? A. Yes. There is still time to become saved even though that time has become very short. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Hebrews 2:3 In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God. Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Psalm 62:7-8 A R E Y O U R E A D Y T O M E E T G O D ? A book entitled 1994?, written by Harold Camping, presents Biblical information that we may be very near the end of time. For information on how to obtain a copy or to receive a free program guide and list of radio stations on which you can hear our Gospel programs, please write to Family Radio, Oakland, California, 94621 (The United States of Amer- ica), or call 1-800-543-1495. ---------------------------------------- The foregoing is a copy of the ""Does God Love You?"" tract printed by, and available free of charge from, Family Radio. A number of minor changes have been made to its layout to facilitate computer printing and distribution. The only change to the text itself is the paragraph which describes the way in which Biblical passages appear within the text. In the original tract they appear in italic lettering; they appear here as indented paragraphs. I have read Mr. Camping's book, compared it with what the Bible actual- ly says, find it to be the most credible research with respect to what the future holds that I have ever come across, and agree with him that there is just too much data to ignore. While none of us is guaranteed one more second of life, and while we, therefore, should take these matters very seriously regardless of when Christ will actually return, it would appear that our natural tendency to postpone caring about our eternal destiny until we feel that our death is imminent is even more senseless now because, in all likelihood, the law of averages with respect to life expectancy no longer applies. If you wish to obtain a copy of this book so that you can check out these facts for yourself, you may find the following information helpful: title: 1994? author: Harold Camping publisher: Vantage Press distributor: Baker and Taylor ISBN: 0-533-10368-1 I have chosen to share this tract with you because I whole-heartedly agree with everything it declares and feel that now, perhaps more than ever before, this information must be made known. To paraphrase Acts 20:27, it does not shun to declare unto us all the counsel of God. I am always willing to discuss the eternal truths of the Bible with anyone who is interested as I believe them to be the only issues of any real importance since we will spend, comparatively speaking, so little time on this side of the grave and so much on the other. Feel free to get in touch with me at any time: e-mail: davem@bnr.ca office: 1-613-765-4671 home: 1-613-726-0014 Dave Mielke 856 Grenon Avenue Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2B 6G3 " 10916,10,"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions: 1st round: ---------- PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. QUE vs MON: MON in 7. CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. DET vs TOR: DET in 6. VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. 2nd round: ---------- PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. 3rd round: ---------- PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. Finals: ------ PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. ============================================= Walter " 10917,14,"From: 8725157m@levels.unisa.edu.au Subject: Cold gas roll control thruster tanks Organization: University of South Australia Lines: 5 Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks for sounding rockets? Thanks in advance, Jim. " 10918,5,"From: roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) Subject: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? Reply-To: roeber@cern.ch Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research Lines: 24 I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit static color visual. I would really like to have the server just present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary. I know there are no absolutes, but I'd appreciate hearing people's opinions and suggestions. Thanks! -- Frederick G. M. Roeber | CERN -- European Center for Nuclear Research e-mail: roeber@cern.ch or roeber@caltech.edu | work: +41 22 767 31 80 r-mail: CERN/PPE, 1211 Geneva 23, Switzerland | home: +33 50 20 82 99 " 10919,12,"From: s5600043@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: CD player going wonky - advise needed ! Lines: 18 Organization: Laurentian University In article <1993Apr13.150525.17978@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, sl@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Stuart Lea) writes: > Hello, > I've got a problem with my CD player (SONY CDP-35) in that it refuses > to play discs - more than a minor inconvenience! The player itself doesn't > recognise that there is a disc in. It's an intermitant problem, but one > that is becoming more frequent. > > Is this a common problem with older CD players and, if so, what > can be done to rectify it ? If there is no obvious answer, how can I begin to > start fault finding. To start off with, How does thet mach recognise that > there is a disc in in the first place ? My experience is that the CD drawer becomes a bit loose, and the CD either skips or can't be read. Try seeing if all the screws that hold down the drawer assembly are tightened properly. Other than that, my next guess would be one of the motors. Hope this helps. Dave Haans, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ontario. " 10920,13,"From: kelley@vet.vet.purdue.edu (Stephen Kelley) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: Purdue University SVM Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr21.155714.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes: - Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? - - Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. - I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The [story deleted] - be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still - trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a - letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. - The people in charge already know what kind of 'care' they are providing, and they don't give a rat's ass about your repeat business. You are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers, and broadcast news shows. If you do, keep the letter short and to the point so they don't discard it out of hand, and emphasize exactly what you are upset about. It's possible that the local health department can help you complain to someone official, but really, that 'clinic' exists for the sole purpose of generating walk-in income through advertising, and *nothing* you can do will change them -- all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them. I'm glad it sounds like your son did ok, anyway. My opinion only, of course, Steve " 10921,19,"Subject: [rw] Is Robert Weiss the only orthodox Christian? From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 12 Robert, you keep making references to ""orthodox"" belief, and saying things like ""it is held that..."" (cf. ""Kermit"" thread). On what exact body of theology are you drawing for what you call ""orthodox?"" Who is that ""holds that"" Luke meant what you said he meant? Whenever your personal interpretation of Biblical passages is challenged, your only response seems to be that one needs merely to ""look at the Bible"" in order to see the truth, but what of those who see Biblical things differently from you? Are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really understands it? Just curious, -- Rick Anderson librba@BYUVM.BITNET " 10922,6,"From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett) Subject: Computers for sale ( PC and amiga ) Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.151726.26547 Distribution: na Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 57 Nntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com Its time for a little house cleaning after my PC upgrade. I have the following for sale: Leading Technology PC partner (286) sytsem. includes 80286 12mhz intel cpu 85Mb IDE drive (brand new - canabalized from new system) 3.5 and 5.24 floppies 1 Meg ram vga congroller kb 5.0 dos on hard drive need to get $300 for system AT style kb - $20 Logitech serial trackman with latest drivers $45 Amiga 500 with 2.0 roms installed and 1Mb video ram and 4Mb addon ram 501 clone (512K ram and clock) Roctec addon disk IDE disk controller includes SCSI option Quantum 105mb SCSI drive with lots of software 4mb ( 4 x 1mb simm) installed in roctec Amiga DOS 2.04 ICD Flicker Fixer II Asking $500 for system, I will part out the amiga, make an offer! amiga Software Cando - $25 Textcraft Plus - $5 tetris & welltris - $5 for both Sword of Sodam - $5 Qix - $5 Carmen Sandiego - $5 Crossword Construction Kit - $10 Canadian Prototype Replicas CD rom Fast File System - $30 Hypermedia CD rom containing fred fish disks 1-480 includes registration card, low cost upgrades. $20 Amiga hardware Reference Man - $5 Amiga to vga monitor cable - $5 two joysticks - $5 each Prices DO NOT include shipping. Contact Rich Garrett Email - richg@sequent.com HOME (503) 591-5466 WORK (503) 578-3822 -- OOo O Rich Garrett O oO richg@sequent.com o WORK (503) 578-3822 _____ o o " 10923,19,"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 41 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Kent: With all due respect, how can I take you seriously, when you have the NAMES wrong in the 1st place? E.g.: > >The San Jose RC (Ordo Rosae Crucis) There is no such thing. The correct name is Ancient & Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, abbreviated AMORC. >...and the Rocicrusian >order created by Max Heindel. There is no such thing either. It's the Rosicrucian Fellowship. And they clearly state that they DO NOT pretend to descend from the Order of the Fama Fraternitatis. >In addition there are many splinter groups >all around Europe that all claim some connection with the original >group supposedly founded in the middle ages. The Lectorium? And who else? >Some Freemason groups >also have Rosicrucian-like separate groups, even if they are far >from the ideologies the RC groups have somehow in common. These are NOT Rosicrucian ""orders"". They are Masonic study groups, none of which *claims* to be descendant of the original Order. > >We might compete about how much time we have spent with this :-). Let >me start, I was part of the ORC for about 8 years. >Kent > What is ORC? If you mean AMORC, you didn't even learn the correct name?! Tony " 10924,16,"From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: } The vast majority get through life without ever having to } own, use or display a firearm. } ... } } Given society } as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of } as many guns as possible. Considering that the uses include self defense, hunting, target shooting and collecting, I don't buy the notion that the vast majority of people don't ""own, use or display a firearm"". But let's say your contention is true. What's the point of ""get[ting] rid of as many guns as possible"", if they weren't being used anyway? -- David Olson dlo@drutx.att.com ""Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can. But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out."" -- George Stephanopolous. " 10925,1,"From: ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) Subject: windows imagine??!! Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 I sent off for my copy today... Snail Mail. Hope to get it back in about ten days. (Impulse said ""a week"".) I hope it's as good as they claim... Jim Nobles (Hope I have what it takes to use it... :>) " 10926,19,"From: buddha@iastate.edu (Scott H Vann) Subject: The bad press Islam has recieved. Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 16 I recently read an article in a local paper written by an Islamic person who was upset with the way Islam has been portrayed by western media. When a terrorist action takes place in the middle east, it is always played up as an Islamic Terrorist. However, when the a Serbian terrorist attacks the Croations, its not a Christian terrorist, its just a terrorist. I have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe the press, that Islam is somehow tied to violence. Often times you hear things like ""They just don't value human life like we do..."" and so on. I was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can change this image, or how I can help my friends to see that this is just hype. I would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e-mail, and I'm not interested in hearing about how right the press is. -Scott Vann buddha@iastate.edu " 10927,11,"From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) In-Reply-To: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 00:12:30 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA. <1993Apr19.093227.1093@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> Lines: 32 smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: >Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack >has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that >hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build >a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. But there is a MUCH more pernicious problem with the scheme as proposed. Building a brute force machine to test 2^40 possible keys if you have the other half from one escrow agent is EASY. (One chip, one test per microsecond gives you one break every two weeks, and that break gives you all messages involving that phone.) The XOR scheme so that the files from one escrow agent gives you nothing is an improvement, but notice that XORing with (truely random) bit strings allows for an arbitrary number of escrow agents. Using + for XOR, SK for the escrowed key, and A and B for two random bit strings, hand SK+A+B, SK+A, and SK+B to three escrow agents. It is possible to come with an encoding scheme to match any escrow pattern, for example 3 of 4, such that fewer cooperating escrow agents gives the cracking agency no benefit. -- Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is... " 10928,5,"From: yue1016@cs.uh.edu (Yue Huang) Subject: Ask the ftp address of ""Kerberos Version 5 draft RFC"" Organization: Computer Science dept., Univ. of Houston (Main Campus) Lines: 1 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu " 10929,4,"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: PowerPC ruminations; was Re: LCIII->PowerPC? Organization: Stanford University Lines: 97 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1993Apr16.214300.12920@ac.dal.ca>, seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes: >In article <186177@pyramid.pyramid.com>, andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) writes: >> In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu >> (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: >> |> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. >> |> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. >> |> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS >> |> slot. Is that true? >> |> >> |> Thanks >> |> David Mirsky >> |> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu >> >> Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed: >> >> One ""socket"" for an additional VRAM SIMM >> >> One ""socket"" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM >> >> One socket for a flat-pack FPU >> >> A processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with >> an additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit >> data path that the LC/LC II lacked >> >> That's it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit >> in the PDS, but that's the only place. >> >So, will it be possible to have a NuBus or PDS PowerPC upgrade, or will it >require a logic board swap? It would be interesting for Apple to come out with >a NuBus PowerPC that allowed use of the CPU's 680x0, like RocketShare. But I >guess that's getting a bit fantastic! > >I was wondering, since MacWeek reported that developers were 'seeded' with >PowerPCs on a NuBus card. > >Also, any word on machine arrivals or estimated speed? Last I heard, the >estimates were around 3-4 times the speed of a Quadra in native RISC mode. I >heard an Apple employee mumble something about the arrival of PowerPC machines >at a much earlier date that Q1 94, but I doubt it's true. > >Finally, is the PowerPC developer's CD 'mini-course' available? I saw it >advertised in the developer's university calendar, and I'd like to know if it's >at all *interesting*. > >Sean >-------------- >seanmcd@ac.dal.ca Radius speculated, publicly, that they could provide a PowerPC-based Rocket for existing Macs. It would have the plus of RocketShare and the minus of NuBus accelerators - no true boot off the accelerator, NuBus bottleneck to video and other I/O. Apple, it seems, will not compete with third parties here -- except perhaps for not-yet-available Macs like Cyclone, where a PowerPC slot might be advertised. Look for Daystar and such to make PowerPC accelerators. One potential problem with any accelerator, though, is that it will need a ROM companion and Apple has licensed only Radius, with Rocketshare, to use any of its proprietary code. Apple is, between the lines, trying to let us know that PowerPC Macs will have simplified logic boards due to the magical nature of RISC and that these boards should be much cheaper to build than those in existing 68040 Macs. Perhaps, then, we'll see groundbreaking prices in Mac-logic board upgrades, much the same way we've seen much cheaper high-performance CPUs this year. First generation PowerPCs, 98601s, will also hopefully have socketed CPUs so that they'll be chip upgradeable to 98604s a year later. This should be possible in much the same way that 486s can be pulled for clock doublers. If there is too much technical baggage (which I doubt since the external busses are the same size/width) to do this, perhaps we can have CPU daughterboard, a la Powerbook, as standard to facilitate better CPU upgrades. This is an area where Apple has fallen far behing the Intel-based world. Perhaps catchup is in order. By the way, last week's PC week had an excellent story on PowerPC, Pentium, MIPS R4000, DEC Alpha (the big four on the microprocessor front for the forseeable future). Worth reading for technojunkies. Also, the latest PC has a cover story on Pentium. Read it, and all the other stories about how Intel is unstoppable and preeminent right now. Once anyone is this secure, they are due to fall. Intel's market position will never again be as dominant as it is today (especially if AMD gets the go ahead to sell its 486s this week as it appears it might). The competition from all fronts is gearing up for an awesome battle. Apple users should be excited that PowerPC, while not guaranteed dominance, is a guaranteed winner, even if its one of several. Mark " 10930,8,"From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) Subject: Stuff For Sale is GONE!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ars Reply-To: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Thanks to all who responded. The three items (electric vest, Aerostitch Suit, and Scarf) are all spoken for. -Gary -- Gary Wasserman ""A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"" Interleaf, Inc. Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154 grw@ileaf.com 617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970 DoD#0216 " 10931,4,"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: changing port buffer size in ZTerm Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all News-Software: Usenet 3.1 Lines: 21 Some kind soul told me that I could change the serial port buffer size of Zterm via ResEdit. He did not tell me HOW I could change it using ResEdit, and I have lost his e-mail address. Could he or any one else please tell me what to do? I assume that the relevant resource is zSet, but I do not know, and I have no template for that resource. If you have a TMPL for the correct resource, I would be grateful to receive it. That way, I could play around a bit and maybe get my Duo to do something useful with its serial port. (other than Appletalk). BTW, I believe that when the port stats says that maximum in buffer is 3074 bytes, that that means increasing the buffer will help, if you are using hardware handshaking. I can cram text data pretty fast into my Duo, and can monitor that CTS is being lowered, but the buffer never gets beyond 3074 (out of 4096) bytes. Makes sense to me. Scott Petrack Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com " 10932,6,From: caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Wayne Caldwell) Subject: Printer and game for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: epcot Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center Lines: 14 I have the following for sale: TI 855 Printer in excellect working condition $100 + postage Game = The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes Original box and contents used 1 time and unregistered $30 + postage If iterested EMAIL me at: EMAIL = caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com and I will hold it for you. 10933,9,"From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Subject: three homer games and Padres notes Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Organization: Pomona College Lines: 36 To all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three homer games ina career, the answer is Johnny Mize in his career with the Cards and the Yanks. He hit three 6 times. I am almost sure about this. In case anyone is wondering, the record for two homer games is held by Babe Ruth and is 72. Mize's record may not last for much longer because of Juan Gonzalez. He has at least three games with three and maybe 4. I know that he had at least two last year and one as a rookie. I don't have any record books at college for me to check on though. Please let me know, okay, if I am wrong. Onto the Padres. Is there anyone out there who follows them?- especial-ly those with access to local news? I don't here anything in Los Angeles and I can't get McPaper consistently around here. comment: It looks as though San Diego has gotten the better of the two deals that brought Bell and Plantier to the Padres. It has also forced the team to use Darrell Shermann. Of course, Plantier could get injured again or he could hit with the power of 91 but with a lower average. Bell always could finish with .240 and 15-18 hrs-essentially Jerald Clark's numbers. leadoff comment: Craig Shipley?????? I get on base 29% of the time if I'm lucky at leadoff? Hell, of the usual starters, use Gwynn. He's got 4 steals already. Is Shipley starting because of an injury to Stillwell, though? I haven't seen Stillwell's name in any box scores. Anyway unless you are going to use Shermann at leadoff then use Gwynn. He at lesat gets on base and this year is stealing bases. Sheffield comment: Though the season is early and stats mean nothing. Witness Phillips batting .500+ currently. But does Sheffield have an injury, or anythingelse wrong with him. I just don't hear anything. Andy Benes: Is he pitching like he did in the second half of '91? or is this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then? Has anyone seen him pitch the two good games? score for today, Sunday april 18: Padres 10, St Louis 6. Padres sweep the Cardinals as Gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer. Sheffield and Tueful also homer in a winning cause. Thanks for listening-reading any comments???? Kelly Keach kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu " 10934,5,"From: joel@zodiac.z-code.COM (Joel Reymont) Subject: Motif maling list Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi, all! Anyone knows of a Motif mailing list? I don't have access to network news and there is no longer a motif list at alfalfa.com. Thanks, Joel. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Reymont ! Z-Code Software Corporation ! e-mail: joel@z-code.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4340 Redwood Hwy, Suit B.50, San Rafael, CA 94903 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10935,1,"From: lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jerry M. Lineberry) Subject: Pov-ray problem / Please Help... Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 12 Hello, I've recently had Povray draw about 10 sample files. The problem is that I accidently erased the command in my povray.def that made the image a targas file. So now the files are the dump format. How do I fix these files with out having to re-trace them? By fix I mean, turn them into targas. Thanks in advance. -Jerry -- ################################################################# Jerry M. Lineberry InterNet : lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu or CompuServe : 71221,3015 ################################################################# " 10936,18,"From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) Subject: Re: hard times investments was: (no subject given) Article-I.D.: news.C52t8L.5CH Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 10 Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu In article <1938@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes: > My mother-in-law, who grew up in Germany, doesn't believe in >money at all. She started out as a real estate developer, and now raises >horses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock >in my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible. If time is really hard, can a bank selectively call in some mortgage loans early? What if the bank folds, can its creditors call in the loans? " 10937,12,"From: uli@izfm.uni-stuttgart.de (Uli Allgeier) Subject: Re: PADS Question - How do I go from a schematic -> PCB? Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc8.izfm.uni-stuttgart.de Hi! In article rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes: >After I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into >PADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is >to output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there >another way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions >provided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be >greatly appreciated. Thanks! Sorry, it's german, but I hope you understand it. Uebertragung der Schaltplan-Daten (*.SCH) in die Board-Daten (*.JOB): PADS-LOGIC: In/Out Reports Net List Select PADS-PCB Net List Output file name -> filename angeben PADS-PCB: In/Out Ascii In Ascii input file name -> filename angeben Errors aoutput file name -> filename angeben, nicht CR Jetzt sind alle Bauteile auf einem Haufen und muessen mit Move verteilt werden. Viele Gruesse Uli " 10938,14,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr16.014506.27923@sol.UVic.CA> rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: |In article <1qjs1j$306@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |> |> |>In the old days, their used to be Arbitron stats' that analyzed |>the readership and posting volumes by group and user. |> |>They were available from UUNET. That's how you check the |>readership of Sci.space, not some stupid unscientific attempt |>to flood the newsgroup. |> |>I have abetter idea. WHy don't we all reply directly to the |>origanator of this post, and tell him we read sci.space ;-) |> |> |>pat | | Sigh. | I try to make a little joke, I try to inject some humour here |and what happens? In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn: | | ""I say, that was a _joke_, son."" | | I thought that the bit about McElwaine, not to mention the two |smileys, would indicate to even the most humour impaired that I was |JOKING. > Sigh. > (And will everyone who pat's suggestion (thanks bunches, pat) >*please* stop sending me email.) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| I shot a man just to watch him die; | Ross Borden | >| I'm going to Disneyland! | rborden@ra.uvic.ca | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, I had put a Wink at the end of my suggestion indicating it was intensely sarcastic. I can't help it if everyone got all serious. Ross. I never saw your original posting. it dropped on the floor somewhere. I just saw the trickle down, thought it was intensely stupid, not knowing anything about the joke, mentioned arbitron and left it with an equally stupid joke. Bill in his ever increasing devotion to thoroughness dug up several arbitron stats. I myself think the arbitron stats are severely methodologically impaired, but are a good measure of proportion. I don't think anyone knows how many people read news anymore. pat " 10939,13,"From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: > >What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings >from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this >specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic >phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of >hypothesizing. I sometimes wonder if Kekule's dream wasn't just a wee bit influenced by aromatic solvent vapors ;-) heh heh. -- ============================================================================= Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. ""Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we shall learn the truth."" -- August Kekule' (1890) ============================================================================= " 10940,9,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 71 In <48178@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.212428.7530@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >The facts are that Morris >|> has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club. >|> Clemens hasn't. >What *does* it take to play on a WS winning club? We have no way of knowing because we cannot separate Morris' contribu- tion from the rest of the team's. There is only one way of determin- ing ""best"" in baseball. And that is by looking at the scoreboard at the end of the game. Each game determines which *team* is the best that day. At the end of the season, the team that was the best the most often is the best in the division. The playoffs determine the best of the best. But the point is that the only decision making pro- cess used to determine the ""best"" is the score of the game and it re- lates to the *teams*. Not the individual players. There is no method inherent in baseball of comparing individual performances. And that is how it should be, because, after all, baseball is a team game. To say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab- solutely that player A's team would have played better with player B in their lineup. Sheer speculation. Impossible to ascertain. If you want to select a group of statistics and claim that Clemens has done better with those statistics as a criteria, then fine. But you have to be able to prove that those statistics measure the individual's contribution to winning the WS - because that is the only measure of ""best"" that has any meaning in the context of base- ball. So until you can prove that Clemens contributes to a WS cham- pionship more than Morris your evaluation of Clemens is totally sub- jective and is mere opinion. I have yet to see that any of you can predict a WS winner with any greater accuracy than Jeanne Dixon. >The fact is that Morris didn't ""win"" any ballgames, Toronto did, in >spite of Morris' ""contribution"". This has been explained to you Exactly. The Jays won with Morris pitching. And Boston wins with Clemens pitching. I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens. I am saying that individual comparisons between players are totally meaningless and that anyone claiming that Clemens is better based on his ERA has missed the point of what baseball is all about. >many, many times and you are either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it. You don't have to be rude. >You are completely consumed by the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. For you to say that means that you have either missed the entire point of my argument, or you yourself have committed a fallacy - Ignoratio Elenchi. I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens because he has more rings (although I have, tongue in cheek, claimed that in the past). I am saying that it is impossible to isolate an individual's performance from that of his team's for the purpose of comparing that individual's performance with another individual's per- formance. The stats are a nice hobby and that's about it. There is no new knowledge being produced. So when a poster claims that Morris is better than Clemens because he has more rings, the poster is no more nor less incorrect than the rest of you baying hounds. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" " 10941,18,"From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.dtcc.edu In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: > >In article <1phgakINN9pb@apache.dtcc.edu>, bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) writes: >In the UK there is a tradition of old retired Colnels who bore the dinner >guests rigid with their descriptions of old campagns. Ed is clearly one >of this type of people who fails to see when a joke is spent. You are hereby authorized not to laugh. By special dispensation of her Hillariness. This offer void where prohibited by law, consumer must pay applicable sales tax..... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bob Rahe, Delaware Tech&Comm College | AIDS, Drugs, Abortion: - | |Internet: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu | - Don't liberals just kill you?| |CI$: 72406,525 Genie:BOB.RAHE |Save whales; and kill babies? | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10942,4,"From: Matt_Harrop@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Distribution: na Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Subject: Re: Internal SCSI installation, How? Lines: 9 >But Apple HD SC says ""Unable to locate a suitable drive on SCSI""... >what's he doing wrong? Apples HDSC will only format a hard drive that Apple sold. You need to use a third party formater like Drive7 or SpotOn. " 10943,4,"From: seanmcd@ac.dal.ca Subject: Re: SE rom Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 23 In article , wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes: > > Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable > about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply > impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could > someone armed with enough info and a little pro- > gramming experience cook something up that would > supplement the ROM's capabilities? > Also, how does one know if one's mac can > support the grayscale and photograde that the Select 300 > is supposedly capable of? ( Short of buying the printer > and trying it out like I did) > Thanks for your help. > > Bill Wright > wgw@netcom.com > To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's not mentioned in ""Apple Facts"" (guide for apple sellers), in the press release or in the technical specs. Sean " 10944,1,"From: Club@spektr.msk.su (Koltovoy Nikolay Alexeevich) Subject: [NEWS]Re:List or image processing systems? Distribution: eunet Reply-To: Club@spektr.msk.su Organization: Moscow Scientific Industrial Ass. Spectrum Lines: 137 Moscow Scientific Inductrial Association ""Spectrum"" offer VIDEOSCAN vision system for PC/AT,wich include software and set of controllers. SOFTWARE For support VIDEOSCAN family program kit was developed. Kit includes more then 200 different functions for image processing. Kit works in the interactive regime, and has include Help for non professional users. There are next possibility: - input frame by any board of VIDEOSCAN family; - read - white image to - from disk; - print image on the printer; - makes arithmetic with 2 frames; - filter image; - work with gistogramme; - edit image. - include users exe modules. CONTROLLER VS9 The function of VS-9 controller is to load TV-images into PC/AT. VS-9 controller allows one to load a fragment of the TV-frame from a field of 724x600 pixels. The clock rate is 14,7 MHz when loading an image with 512 pixel in the line and 7,4 MHz when loading a 256 pixels image. This provides the equal pixel size of input image in both horizontal and vertical directions. The number of gray levels in any input modes is 256. Video signal capture time - 2.5s. CONTROLLER VS52 The purpose of the controller is to enter the TV images into a IBM PC AT or any other machine of that type. The controller was created on the base of modern elements, including user programmable gate arrays. The controller allows to digitize a input signal with different resolutions. Its flexible architecture makes possible to change technical parameters. Instead of TV signal one can process any other analog signal (including signals from slow-speed scanning devices). The controller has the following technical characteristics: - memory volume - from 256 K to 2 Mb ; - resolution when working with standard video signal - from 64x64 to 1024x512 pixels ; - resolution when working in slow input regime - up to 2048x1024 pixels; - video signal capture time - 40 ms. - maximum size of a screen when memory volume is 2Mb - 2048x1024 pixels ; - number of gray level - 256 ; - clock rate for input - up to 30 MHz ; - 4 input video multiplexer ; - input/output lookup table (LUT); - possibility to realize ""scroll"" and ""zoom""; - 8 lines for external synchronization (an input using external controlling signal) ; - electronic adjustment of black and white reference for analog - digital converter; - possibility output image to the color RGB monitor. One can change all listed above functions and parameters of the controller by reprogramming it. IMAGE PROCESSOR VS100 Image processor VS100 allows to digitize and process TV signal in real time. It is possible digitize TV signal with 512*512*8 resolution and realize arithmetic and logic operation with two images. Processor was created on the base of modern elements including user programmable gate arrays and designed as a board for PC. Memory volume allows write to the 256 frames with 512*512*8 format. It is possible to accumulate until 16 images. The processor has the following technical characteristics: - memory volume to 64 Mb; - number of the gray level - 256; - 4 input video multiplexer; - input/output lookup table; - electronic adjustment for black and white ADC reference; - image size from 256*256 to 8192*8192; - possibility color and black / white output; - possibility input from slow-scan video sources. " 10945,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >(Josh Hopkins) writes: >> I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in >> connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. >The General Chairman is Paul Bialla, who is some official of General >Dynamics. >The emphasis seems to be on a scaled-down, fast plan to put *people* >on the Moon in an impoverished spaceflight-funding climate. You'd >think it would be a golden opportunity to do lots of precusor work for >modest money using an agressive series of robot spacecraft, but >there's not a hint of this in the brochure. It may be that they just didn't mention it, or that they actually haven't thought about it. I got the vague impression from their mission proposal that they weren't taking a very holistic aproach to the whole thing. They seemed to want to land people on the Moon by the end of the decade without explaining why, or what they would do once they got there. The only application I remember from the Av Week article was placing a telescope on the Moon. That's great, but they don't explain why it can't be done robotically. >> Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( >You're not hanging out with the Right People, apparently. But I'm a _member_. Besides Bill, I hang out with you :) -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 10946,4,"From: auerbach@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Accelerating the MacPlus...;) Lines: 15 We're about ready to take a bold step into the 90s around here by accelerating our rather large collection of stock MacPlus computers. Yes indeed, difficult to comprehend why anyone would want to accelerate a MacPlus, but that's another story. Suffuce it to say, we can get accelerators easier than new machines. Hey, I don't make the rules... Anyway, on to the purpose of this post: I'm looking for info on MacPlus acelerators. So far, I've found some lit on the Novy Accelerator and the MicrMac MultiSpeed Accelartor. Both look acceptable, but I would like to hear from anyone who has tried these. Also, if someone would recommend another accelerator for the MacPlus, I'd like to hear about it. Thanks for any time and effort you expend on this! Karl " 10947,6,"From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) Subject: Photo ""Stuff"" Forsale Article-I.D.: qiclab.1993Apr21.023937.8223 Distribution: usa Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon. Lines: 62 Time to clear out some miscellaneous lenses, cameras and photo stuff that's not being used. Some are gems, some are mundane. Minolta AF 50/1.7 lens for Maxxum cameras. New lens, but I guess it'd be best to call it a ""demo"" since I did not get the literature, box or warranty cards. $30. Vivitar 2X converter for Nikon F or AI lenses. Pretty cute ""flip back"" tang so it will work with all manual focus Nikon lenses - and bodies. It will even couple (and double) a non-AI lens to an AI body. $15. Pentax 50/1.4 screwmount lens. Well actually it's a Super-Takumar which is what they all were back then. Very mint condition. $25. Nice hard case for this lens $5 more.. Alpex 135/2.8 lens. Beautifully made, all metal construction with fine optics. Minolta mount. $25. Another hard case that fits this with strap can be added..call it $7 more. Vivitar 283 flash. The one that made Vivitar famous (until the 285 eclipsed it). Tilt head, removable sensor, variable auto exposure. $30. Universal ""Roamer 63"" folding old ""bellows"" camera with leather case. Uses 120 or 620 film, 100mm F6.3 lens. Kinda cool articulated shutter release. Decent shape. $20. Weston 540 lightmeter. Nothin super fancy, but it works well, and is a good cross check to built in meters. $7 with case and strap. And finally..the ""gems"" Pentax Auto 110 camera with 24mm F2.8 lens. This is the little (and I do mean TINY) SLR that Pentax made. Has interchangeable lenses, but try and find the 20-40 zoom, true through the lens viewing with split image focus, and completely auto exposure. $70. Olympus 35RC rangefinder camera. A really cute little camera with 42mm lens (F2.8) with built in manual or auto exposure, self timer etc. I think this was the predecessor to the XA - and it's nearly all metal. I won't mind holding onto this one if it doesn't sell. $60. Olympus OM-1 with flash shoe, leatherette case, 50/1.4 Zuiko lens, and Tokina SD (Super Dispersion) 70-210 lens. These are all in very nice to mint condition, except for one little ding on the OM body near the film advance lever. Lenses are perfect, and the Tokina is a very compact, and sharp lens. $225 for the set. That'll do to clean out some of the stuff. Feel free to offer on this stuff, although the cheaper stuff is priced to cover my hassle in shipping it.. For more details call or email. -- Alan L. Peterman (503)-684-1984 hm & work al@qiclab.scn.rain.com It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter! " 10948,12,"From: davidb@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (David Bull) Subject: Intel RMX O/S Documentation Wanted Organization: School of MPCE, Macquarie University, Australia. Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au Originator: davidb@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au We've just been donated a large machine for use in our robotics lab. This device is complete with a 286 based controller, running the Intel RMX operating system. Unfortunately, we don't have any documentation on RMX. Can anybody out there in netland help? Please reply via email; I don't regularly catch up with the news. Thanks, David Bull davidb@mpce.mq.edu.au " 10949,5,"From: pjaques@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK (Paul Jaques) Subject: Problem with dni and openwin 3.0 Organization: The Internet Lines: 23 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Can anyone help me? I am having a problem displaying images greater than 32768 bytes from a Decwindows program running on a Vax 6310, and displaying on a Sparc IPC running Openwindows 3.0 and dni. The program works fine with Openwindows 2.0. The code segment which fails is given below, the program simply crashes out with an Xlib I/O error at the XPutImage() call. XImage *ximage; ximage = XCreateImage(myDisplay, DefaultVisual(myDisplay, myScreen), ddepth, ZPixmap, 0, image, xwid, ywid, 8, 0); XPutImage(myDisplay, myWindow, myGC, ximage, 0, 0, xpos, ypos, xwid, ywid); ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Jaques | | Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, | | Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. | | E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 10950,9,"From: eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen) Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies Summary: What Bullshit! Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 19 Article from as follows >From: bml2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN MICHAEL LUCY) >Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies >Date: 15 Apr 93 06:29:05 GMT >Organization: Lehigh University >Lines: 9 >In article , al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit >Likhy ani) writes: >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 9-Apr-93 Re: >Let's Talk >Phillies u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens (963) > >> > like this. Oh >well. How do we spell CELLAR? > > >> p - i - r - a - t >- e - s > >> ` > > >> >NINJA JEW > > >Are there any Philly fans who want to put money on that? If >not, stop >your woofing. Ben Rivera got hammered. > True (last week), but >tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him. THAT'S why >we're 8-1! One phrase for you....FUCK YOU!!!! Thanks. " 10951,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 40 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: > In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the > >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great. > >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of > >> the government only. Individual access would result in the > >> needless deaths of millions. This makes the right of the people > >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant. > >Thanks for stating where you're coming from. Needless to say, I > >disagree on every count. > You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of > mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a > neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve > gas on his/her property. > If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of > the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us? I don't sign any blank checks. When Doug Foxvog says ""weapons of mass destruction,"" he means CBW and nukes. When Sarah Brady says ""weapons of mass destruction"" she means Street Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles. When John Lawrence Rutledge says ""weapons of mass destruction,"" and then immediately follows it with: > The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns, > this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions > on them. ...what does Rutledge mean by the term? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 10952,12,"From: babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Lockheed Sanders X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Distribution: na Lines: 24 Brian Day (bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote: : On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector : in the state of Virginia. If one got caught, one got fined $65.00. : Ask me how I know. The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States. The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1989(?) restricted the FCA of 1934 by making it illegal to receive the land-mobile telephone service, including (I believe) cellular phones. No restriction was placed on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934. If you have lots of time and money (and a lawyer, which I'm *not*,) you can argue this in a federal court and try to have the law overturned. I can hardly wait to see the responses to this one, but somebody had to say it... -- Lockheed Sanders may disagree so these are solely the opinions of: Scott L. Babb - babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com ""We didn't inherit the Earth from our parents, we are borrowing it from our children."" " 10953,13,"From: myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 39 Frequently of late, I have been reacting to something added to restaurant foods. What happens is that the inside of my throat starts to feel ""puffy"", like I have a cold, and also at times the inside of my mouth (especially the tongue) and lips also feel puffy. The situations around these symptoms almost always involve restaurants (usually chinese), the most notable cases: a cheap chinese fast food chain, a japanese steak house (I had the steak), and another chinese fast food chain where I SAW the cook put about a tablespoon or two of what looked like sugar or salt into my fried rice. I am under the impression that MSG ""enhances"" flavor by causing the taste buds to swell. If this is correct, I do not find it unreasonable to assume that high doses of MSG can cause other mouth tissues to swell. Also, as the many of the occurances (including two of the above) involved beef, and as beef is frequently tenderized with MSG, this is what I suspect as being the cause. I wouldn't be at all surprised if toxicity studies of MSG in animals showed it as being harmless, as it would be very startling to hear a lab rat or rhesus monkey complain about their throats feeling funny. Anyone who wishes to explain how the majority of food additives are totally harmless is welcome to e-mail me with the results of any studied they know of. I will probably respond to them however with a reminder of how long it took to prove that smoking causes cancer (which the tobacco companies still deny). - DM (If I sound grumpy, it's because I had beef with broccoli for lunch today, and now it hurts to swallow) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Myers (Madman) | If the creator had intended us to walk myers@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu | upright, he wouldn't have given us knuckles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ " 10954,10,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 76 In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick >of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the >Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and >""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, >and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other >teams is getting worse as well. Gee, you'd think Winnipeg would be tops on that list, what with 8 regulars being European. > > I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the >Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see >the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a >Canucks fan to begin with ;-). Well, being a Jet fan, I sometimes wish that Bure would get knocked silly too. (Nothing serious, just enough to keep him out of a game. :) > > Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. In most cases, the owners have very little to do with it. They give their general managers one order when it comes to the draft...find me the best players so that our team will win the Stanley Cup. Whether that player is in Kindersley, Saskatchewan or Chelyabinsk, Russia, if the GM believes him to be the better player, the GM should be drafting him. Where do you get off calling the NHL THEIR league, when referring to Canadian players. It doesn't belong to them, it belongs to the owners. The owners can do what they want. While a 'Canadian content' rule might be enforcable here in Canada, there is enough doubt that it would be enforcable in the US that the CFL (sorry for the football reference) didn't even TRY to push their import ratio rule on the Sacromento Goldminers. Increasing the competition for the 'elite' positions, in most cases, would make players better anyways. (Oh yeah, and how many Europeans play at the lower levels of professional hockey in North America? While there are some that play in the AHL, or the IHL where that's an NHL team's primary farm club, you don't hear of many Europeans playing in the CHL, the ECHL, or on the secondary farm teams in the IHL. (ie. the Jets do have a few Russian players in Moncton, but I don't believe there are any Europeans in Ft. Wayne.)) So with all those teams, there are plenty of positions for hockey players in North America. > > With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly >only getting worse. > > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. > > I just don't want them on mine. I'm in favour of the NHL being the league for the premier players in the world. I've grown up with Europeans playing on 'my' team, and some of those players were the among the best in the world. From Hedberg, Nilsson, and Sjoberg, to Sel{nne, Zhamnov, and Olausson, and all those in between and to come, I wouldn't have it any other way. Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! " 10955,13,"From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) Subject: Re: Selective Placebo Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: fred.bbn.com ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) writes: |JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: |JB> |JB> Ron Roth recommends: ""Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the |JB> proper channels, you might consider the following:..."" |JB> [diet omitted] |JB> |JB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be ""proper channels""...this sounds suspiciously | I'm glad it caught your eye. That's the purpose of this forum to | educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase | is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who | otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be | consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing. An apt description of the content of just about all ronroth's posts to date. At least there's entertainment value (though it is diminishing). " 10956,14,"From: S901924@mailserv.cuhk.hk Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla Nntp-Posting-Host: wksb14.csc.cuhk.hk Organization: Computer Services Centre, C.U.H.K. Distribution: World Lines: 36 In article et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) writes: >From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) >Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise >Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? >Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:18:04 GMT >In article metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: >>crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >>> Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes: >>>> ""Existence"" is undefined unless it is synonymous with ""observable"" in >>>> physics. >>> [crb] Dong .... Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of >>> string theory? >> >> I agree. You can add ""dark matter"" and quarks and a lot of other >>unobservable, purely theoretical constructs in physics to that list, >>including the omni-present ""black holes."" >> >> Will Bruce argue that their existence can be inferred from theory >>alone? Then what about my original criticism, when I said ""Curvature >>can only exist relative to something non-curved""? Bruce replied: >>""'Existence' is undefined unless it is synonymous with 'observable' in >>physics. We cannot observe more than the four dimensions we know about."" >>At the moment I don't see a way to defend that statement and the >>existence of these unobservable phenomena simultaneously. -|Tom|- > >""I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have >no properties."" >""Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the >space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, >is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, >for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view."" - Nikola Tesla > >---- > ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes."" >---- " 10957,1,"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Re: Fast wireframe graphics Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu In article , ykim@cs.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) writes: |> |> I am working on a program to display 3d wireframe models with the user |> being able to arbitrarily change any of the viewing parameters. Also, |> the wireframe objects are also going to have dynamic attributes so |> that they can move around while the user is ""exploring"" the wireframe |> world. Why don't you consider PHIGS in X or PEX lib? Yeh USC " 10958,3,"From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) Subject: Philips 17"" monitor Keywords: 17"" monitor Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Distribution: usa Lines: 26 Does anybody have an opinion on the Philips 1762DT 17"" monitor? How does it compare to the Nanao 17""? I am looking for a good 17"" (like many other net'ers) and found a good price for the Philips. Here some the specs: Sony Trinitron tube digital micro control 1280x1024 NI .25 dp 300x225 mm display area to 100 Hz refresh anti-glare, MPR-II... auto-scan 30-64 kHz Why don't I ever see this monitor for sale (ONE company in Apr computer shopper) What is the 1764DC? What is the best price around for this?.... and how 'bout that MAG 17""? I love my MAG 15"" (except for that little color alignment thing on the l/r edges)... -- _______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ | Brian J Schaufenbuel [ ""There is no art which one government sooner learns ] | Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] | Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]."" - Adam Smith ] " 10959,16,"From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) Subject: The Holocaust Revisited Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH Lines: 17 The U.S. Government's campaign of persecution and genocide against the Branch Davidians was a resounding success. Heil Clinton! Heil Reno! The Gestapo is alive and well and living in Washington, D.C. -- Kevin, who agrees that David Koresh was probably a first-rate nutcase but who firmly believes that the Bill of Rights guaranteed his his right to be a religious fanatic and that the government is guilty of violating his civil rights and of 1st degree murder. OK, which small, under-represented-in-congress religious group are we going to persecute next and are we going to torch their church with a rolled up copy of the Constitution? I think I'm going to be sick now. . . " 10960,6,"From: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh) Subject: Re: Video/Audio/Computer equipment for sale.. Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 14 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu On 21 Apr 1993 03:25:29 I wrote: > Quantum 105MB 3.5"" internal ProDrive hard disk > This unit has recently turned unreliable and erratic in usage. > Could be a simple easily fixed problem or a major problem, > but at any rate I don't have the time to find out where the > problem lies. If you want to take a risk on it, you can have > it for $45 + shipping. Forgot to mention that the above mentioned Quantum is a SCSI drive. -S. Hsieh zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu " 10961,14,"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: Graydon Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they? <1993Apr24.221344.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> Lines: 8 If all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone looked into possible problems with the detectors? That is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that could cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these things? Graydon " 10962,3,"From: jre@zeos.com (Jim Erickson) Subject: Bye Organization: Zeos International, Ltd Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, biz.zeos.general, biz.zeos.announce Lines: 17 As of today I will no longer be a contact for Zeos International on the net. This responsibility has been taken over by another tech (davidm@zeos.com) and I am moving up and on (mo money, mo money :)). I just wanted to thank all of the netters who have supported and encouraged the participation of Zeos on the net. I personally feel it is important for companies such as Zeos to provide their customers with as easy access as possible when they have questions/problems and being on the net is an big step in the right direction. I hope that other companies will follow suit (as Weitek and others have done). Again, thanks. ---JRE--- -- Jim Erickson ZZZZ EEEE OO SSSS ZEOS International, Ltd. support@zeos.com INET Z E O O S Technical Support Dept. uunet!zeos!support UUCP Z EE O O SSS 1301 Industrial Blvd. N.E. Any opinions expressed Z E O O S Minneapolis, MN 55413 herein are my own! ZZZZ EEEE OO SSSS FAX 612-633-4607 " 10963,3,"From: msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) Subject: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? Keywords: sound board CD-ROM toshiba Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities Lines: 14 I'm thinking about getting a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM and hooking it up through the SCSI port on a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum sound board. Does anybody have this configuration out there? If so, does it work? For anybody in general who has the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, have you had any hadware problems? Door not opening, scratched disks, door not closing (getting stuck or not closing all the way), CD holder jamming and any other CD related problems. Thanks in Advance Mark " 10964,12,"From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch) Subject: Re: 6551A and 6551 compatibility Distribution: world Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site) Lines: 31 In article , Internet Surfer writes: > Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551.. No, the 6551A is able to operate in a 2 MHz system, the 6551 can only take 1 MHz without problems. If you see a 8551 made by MOS or CSG, take it, its a 6551A. > It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need > a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered > version perhaps? I know no fixed version of the 6551. There are different possibilities to work around this bug. The easiest is to tie _CTS to GND and use _DSR or _DCD as _CTS. It should be easy to fix the software, _DSR is bit 6 and DCD ist bit 5 of the Status Register (Read 6551 with RS1 = low and RS0 = high). Using the _CTS-line can lead into big trouble. The 6551 _instantly_ stops transmission if _CTS goes high. This means, that you may get only a half byte... Gerrit -- Gerrit Heitsch Moenchweg 16 7038 Holzgerlingen Germany Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9) If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91) " 10965,19,"From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) Subject: What we learned from the Waco wackos Keywords: prophet profit Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 32 There are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess: 1) When they start getting desperate for an answer to the question: ""What's it all about. Mr. Natural?"", pinkboys will buy darn near *anything*, which means: 2) There's still plenty of $$$$ to be made in the False Jesus business by enterprising SubGenii. Just remember that: 3) Once you've separated the pinks from their green, don't blow it all on automatic weapons from Mexico. Put it in a Swiss bank account. Smile a lot. Have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports. The Con will just shrug you off as long as: 4) You never, never, NEVER start to believe your own bulldada! If ""David Koresh"" hand't started swallowing his own ""apocalypso now"" crap, he'd be working crossword puzzles in the Bahamas today instead of contributing to the mulch layer in Waco. This is because: 5) When you start shooting at cops, they're likely to shoot back. And most of 'em are better shots than you are. In short: - P.T. Barnum was right and - Stupidity is self-correcting Thus endeth the lesson. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * ""One Step Beyond"" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * ""You'll pay to know what you *really* think!"" * * -- J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs"" * ************************************************************ " 10966,1,"From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Rockwell International X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 16 Martin Preston (prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote: : In ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: : : >I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). : >My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly : >infinitely easier to write than to read,... : : Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a : good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app. : : Martin : What is the name of this PD C library for TIFF. I'd like to get a copy of it, but I can't Archie for something I don't have the filename for. Thanks. " 10967,7,"From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew) Subject: Re: Ranger vs. S-10 opinions Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.203313.24290 Organization: Western Washington University Lines: 16 If your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months for the 1994 GMC sonoma. Magazines are saying it is day and night over the current truck. It's georgeous, solid, and fast (200hp Vortec 4.3 V-6). Should whip the Ranger in every area too (accept maybe payload). And always pick a GMC over a Chevy. GMC's are always so much better looking. Man, I miss the Comanche. Marty and Matt Owings '87 250 ninja type rider dudes ""It's a feeling that we all wanna know and it's an obsession to some to keep the world in you rearview mirror while you try to run down the sun"" ""Wheels"" by Rhestless Heart. " 10968,16,"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 13 In article feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: >I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the >Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type >being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit >shoot-to-kill directives. You mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me. -- REMEMBER WACO! Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you? [Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.] " 10969,3,"From: brinton@icd.teradyne.com (Chris Brinton) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cache Reply-To: brinton@icd.teradyne.com Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA Lines: 38 In article 6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu, penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) writes: >On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote: > >| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. >| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. >| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work >| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). > >I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >interface between the controller and the memory. > >My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. > >-- >Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu > >Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get 985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to improve my disk performance, but Im not convinced that the controller is the bottleneck (although Im willing to entertain the possibility that it is). I am already running a big main memory disk cache, so Im not really interested in this solution either. --- Chris Brinton Teradyne, Inc. brinton@icd.teradyne.com ""My opinions are my own, but you're welcome to them."" " 10970,19,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 99 In article <1r1ma9INNno7@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes: |> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: |> |> : Do you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian? I'd hardly |> : classify them as Christian. Do they follow the teachings of Christ? Love |> : one another. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your enemies. Is Jesus |> : Christ their Lord and Saviour? By the persecution of Jews, they are violating |> : all the precepts of what Christ died for. They are in direct violation of |> : the teachings of Christ. Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders |> : of that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their |> : sins. I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else. |> : The enemy is Satan, not our fellow man. |> |> In Mark 16:16, Jesus is quoted as saying ""Whoever believes and is baptized |> will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."" I |> consider most Neo-Nazis and White Supremisists to be Christians because: |> a) They say they are |> b) They feel it necessary to justify their actions with the Bible |> Where does it say in the bible that Christians are supposed to persecute Jews? Isn't it love your enemies instead? They may say they are ""Christian"" but do their actions speak differently? Do you believe what everyone tells you? I don't. I came to believe in God by my own investigation and conclusions. And ultimately by my own choice. Salvation, however, was granted only through the grace of God. |> The Bible provides us with no clear definition of what a Christian is. It |> tells us what a Christian *should* do, but then it goes on to say that as |> long as you believe, your sins will be forgiven. To be a Christian is to model oneself after Jesus Christ as implied by the very name Christian. If you say you believe in your head but do not feel in your heart, what does that say of your belief? |> White Supremisists and |> Neo-Nazis may not be your brand of Christian, but by believing in Christ, |> they are Christian. |> White supremists and Neo-Nazis are NOT any brand of Christian. ""If you hate your whom you can see then how can you love God whom you cannot see?"" What does this belief entail? Believing in Christ and having your sins forgiven in His name does NOT give a Christian a free licence to sin. To repent of a sin is to ask forgiveness of that sin and TRY NOT to do it again. I am a Christian, but if you lump me in with racists and accuse me of being such, then are you not pre-judging me? BTW, I am of Chinese racial background and I know what it is to be part of a visible minority in this country. I don't think that I would be favourably looked upon by these White supremist ""Christians"" as you call them. Anyone can say what they believe, but if they don't practice what they preach, then their belief is false. Do you concur? |> Now, for your original statement: |> : |> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation |> : |> : continue to persecute Jews? Why this hatred of Jews? The majority of |> : |> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all |> : |> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism |> : |> : bandwagon.) |> |> You imply here that it is predominately atheists and agnostics who |> persecute Jews. I am hard pressed to think of even an example of Jewish |> persecution in the hands of atheists/agnostics. Nazis and racists in general are the ones that come to my immediate attention. What I believe is that such people may be using the bible to mask their racial intolerance and bigotry. They can do as they do and hide behind Christianity but I tell you that Jesus would have nothing to do with them. |> About the only one that |> comes to mind would be in the former Soviet Union, where many religious |> people suffered some sort of persecution (not to mention many |> atheist/agnostics who suffered persecution for believing the government |> sucked). |> No arguement there. |> |> Rob Lanphier |> lanph872@uidaho.edu |> The only point I'm trying to make is that those who call themselves Christian may not be Christian. I ask that you draw your own conclusions by what they do and what they say. If they are not modelled after the example of Jesus Christ then they are NOT Christian. If they have not repented of their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour then they are NOT Christian. These are the only criteria to being a Christian. May God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) " 10971,9,"From: CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Nntp-Posting-Host: ua1vm.ua.edu Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa Lines: 61 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: >Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. > >For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, > >With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed >hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. > >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell >is he thinking. > For your information, Lankford is injured (I think it is his shoulder or rib cage), so he could not use him as a pinch hitter. >Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented >how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a >regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said >he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, >what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every >team in the league. > I do believe that Whiten was a very good aquisition for the Cards. He does not have too much offensive capabilities, but he is an awesome defensively. Since when have the Cardnials actually thought of offense instead of defense?:) I forgot who St. Louis gave up for him, but it was not too much. As far as Gilkey is concerned, he is a leftfielder and so is Brian Jordan, who beat him out. I expect to see a Gilkey/Jordan platoon in LF. >Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, >The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line >and waving lankford home, > I agree with you on this one. As soon as Larkin threw that ball, I knew that Lankford was a dead bird. But how could Dent have known that Larkin would make a perfect throw? I strongly believe that Torre is one of the best managers in baseball. Don't forget the overachieving Cards of '91 that won all those close games and went from last place to second place (although they were oveshadowed by the Braves/ Twins last to first climb). He won a division title, and barely lost a pennant race when he was with the Braves (why Atlanta ever even considered firing him I will never understand). With Torre at the controls, the Cardinals are heading in the right direction. One more thing, one game does not make a season. Yes, they lost to the Reds, but with the second best pitching staff in the National League (first in the East), and a pretty good offense, the Redbirds will win a lot more than they lose. Maybe this is the year that they will go all the way. Charles, a very enthusiastic Cardnials fan ----------------------------------------------------------------- º Charles Rosen º THIRTY-FOUR TO THIRTEEN!!! º º University of Alabama º NATIONAL CHAMPS!!! ROLL TIDE!!! º º Tuscaloosa, AL º (Need I Say More?) º ----------------------------------------------------------------- " 10972,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 15 In article <19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes: >>Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will >>changing them to a seperate agency help anything? >> >How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is >able to accept donations to keep craft operational. The problem is, you can't raise adequate amounts of money that way. The Viking Fund tried. They did succeed, in a way, but only because of the political impact of their fundraising. The actual amount of money they raised was fairly inconsequential; it would not have kept the Viking lander going by itself. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 10973,1,"From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) Subject: Disney Animation Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 5 ------------------------------------ Can anyone tell me anything about the Disney Animation software package? Note the followup line (this is not for me but for a colleague). " 10974,11,"From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 19 In article , strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > > Chances are the government has thought of this, and ""just anyone"" won't be > permitted access to enough of the internals to make a ""fake"" clipper chip. > Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals > at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security > safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level. Assume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes. They probably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous at handing it out. It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers and Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to reverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and effective). Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad Petaluma, CA " 10975,1,"From: ajackson@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Alan Jackson) Subject: MPEG Location Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh Organization: Coventry University Lines: 11 Can anyone tell me where to find a MPEG viewer (either DOS or Windows). Thanks in advance. -- Alan M. Jackson Mail : ajackson@cch.cov.ac.uk Liverpool Football Club - Simply The Best ""You'll Never Walk Alone"" " 10976,16,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 63 From article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > You are loosing. > > There is no question about it. > > Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter > how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Only irrational fools such as yourself are set against RKBA. There are *plenty* of people who support it. > This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your > RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. The government will be overthrown *long* before that happens. A *huge* millitia composed of all available men and women who care about their country will defeat the forces of the evil Klintonistas. The people *will* prevail! Oh, so you think armed citizens alone can't overthrow the government? Consider this: do you think *all* law enforcement officials and members of the Armed Forces will turn against the people that they are entrusted to serve? Not hardly. You can count on a lot of people in the Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, National Guard, police officers, and so on joining in the cause to defend the liberties and freedoms of American citizens. COUNT ON IT! THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISARM EVERYONE WITHOUT STARTING A CIVIL WAR! > You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of > cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you > can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. > > The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against > you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! > > Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect Wrong again. People will just hide their guns so these ""officers"" (more like jack-booted stormtroopers) will not be able to find them. > them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. > Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an > immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. They will unless they are idiots. They will realize that if they don't then they will be *next* including you. Believe me if what you describe happens they will be coming for *more* than guns. Disarming citizens would require that everyone's cherished freedoms and liberties be suspended temporarily. More likely, they'd never be restored unless the *people* do something about it. > Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions > are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will > be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me " 10977,3,"From: soltys@radonc.unc.edu (Mitchel Soltys) Subject: Hard Disk Utilities? Originator: soltys@melanoma.radonc.unc.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: melanoma.radonc.unc.edu Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC Distribution: usa Lines: 26 Hi to all you PC gurus! I'm new to these groups and so please forgive me if my questions are frequently asked, but I don't know the answer :) I've been recently having some problems with my 386 computer with a Seagate 40 meg hard drive. I occasionally find corrupted files, but most of the time programs work fine. Are there any utilities that are easily available that can help me determine whether or not the problem is a result of the hard drive vs an ill-behaved program or some other hardware item? Are there utilites to determine whether or not the hard drive is properly aligned etc? As might be expected, I would greatly appreciate any help on this matter. I'm considering just reformatting the disk and reinstalling everything (and hoping that will fix the problem), but I would like to have some assurance of what the problem cause is. Also, can someone give me an opinion on DOS 6.0? Are the compression and defragmentation routines good enough to consider the upgrade if I don't have those routines already (as opposed to buying them separately)? Much thanks in advance for any help. Mitchel Soltys soltys@radonc.unc.edu " 10978,6,"From: JACK.T.SENDAK@OFFICE.WANG.COM (""Jack T. Sendak (V)"") Subject: Baseball card FOR SALE Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Lines: 7 I have a Roberto Clemente 1969 Topps baseball card for sale, in near-mint condition (really as close to mint condition as you can get). It lists for $55 in my most recent baseball card pricelist for May. I am offering it for $50 and I'll pay the certified postage to ship it to you. Please respond to Jack.T.Sendak@office.wang.com or at 1-800-999-3732 ext. 5269 in Maryland. " 10979,0,"From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: sci.skeptic.religion (Was: Why ALT.atheism?) Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: thug.sps.mot.com In article <93103.071613J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> John A. Johnson writes: > >Standard groups (sci, soc, talk) must conform to stricter rules when being >established and must show a certain volume of postings or else they will >cease to exist. These groups also reach more sites on USENET than alt >groups. I already posted my opinion to mathew's suggestion, which was that >alt.atheism is on the verge of having too many garbage postings from >fundies, and ""elevating"" its status to a standard group (and consequently, >the volume of such postings) could make it unreadable. I tend to agree. I came here when it first started and watched it grow from the roots on talk.religion.misc. It seemed to take a while for enough atheists to come forward to get past the ""Let's trash Xians"" and such. Now there's a stable core, and frankly there's a feeling that this is _our_ group. If we go mainstream, we're going to be in a lot more places. And every fucking fundy loonie freshman will be dumping on us to find Jeesus! and warn us that we're all going to Hell. Want to see what we'll get? Go real alt.fan.brother-jed and imagine that those imbecilic tirades will be here. All the time. Every other post. I'm being selfish. I find I really learn a lot here and the S/N isn't too bad. The Browns and the Boobys are a distraction, but they are few enough that they even bring in some of the leavening needed to offset them. But I greatly fear that mainstreaming would basically put us at the swamping level of the Conners of the world. Regards, Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637 " 10980,9,"From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) Subject: Re: TIGERS Keywords: Tigers Nntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5 Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 15 In article <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> Ryan Kearns writes: >I think that the Detroit Tigers are the greatest baseball organization of all >time. ... [shameless woofing deleted] On behalf of the rest of us Tiger fans out here, I appoligize for this shameless woofing. We try to keep it to a minimum, but we did WIN A GAME the other day, so sometimes it's hard to control. see: Phillies Fans :-) Michael " 10981,8,"From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr8.202746.12159@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) wrote: > > Good advice, of course. Thanks, Hesh. Time to go back for a Zen > refresher course. > > ""Imagine you are a lily, gently floating in a still, darkened pool."" And some BDC in a Volvo comes careening off the freeway and lands on top of you in said pool. You can't win. jim * Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com Jim Bob & Sons * * 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 | .signature remodling * * 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | Low price$ Quality workman- * * DoD #469 KotP(un) | ship * Call today for free estimit " 10982,1,"From: alan@saturn.cs.swin.OZ.AU (Alan Christiansen) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Swinburne University of Technology Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.cs.swin.oz.au spworley@netcom.com (Steve Worley) writes: >bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >>Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: >>Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, >>center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >>for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >>straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >>geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >>Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? >It's not a bad question: I don't have any refs that list this algorithm >either. But thinking about it a bit, it shouldn't be too hard. >1) Take three of the points and find the plane they define as well as >the circle that they lie on (you say you have this algorithm already) >2) Find the center of this circle. The line passing through this center >perpendicular to the plane of the three points passes through the center of >the sphere. >3) Repeat with the unused point and two of the original points. This >gives you two different lines that both pass through the sphere's >origin. Their interection is the center of the sphere. >4) the radius is easy to compute, it's just the distance from the center to >any of the original points. >I'll leave the math to you, but this is a workable algorithm. :-) Good I had a bad feeling about this problem because of a special case with no solution that worried me. Four coplanar points in the shape of a square have no unique sphere that they are on the surface of. Similarly 4 colinear point have no finite sized sphere that they are on the surface of. These algorithms being geometrical designed rather than algebraically design meet these problems neatly. When determining which plane the 3 points are on if they are colinear the algorithm should afil or return infinite R. When intersecting the two lines there are 2 possibilities they are the same line (the 4 points were on a planar circle) they are different lines but parallel. There is a sphere of in radius. This last case can be achieved with 3 colinier points and any 4th point by taking the 4th point and pairs of the first 3 parallel lines will be produced it can also be achieved by If all 4 points are coplanar but are not on one circle. It seems to me that the algorithm only fails when the 4 points are coplanar. The algorithm always fails when the points are coplanar. (4 points being colinear => coplanar) Testing if the 4th point is coplanar when the plane of the first 3 points has been found is trivial. >An alternate method would be to take pairs of points: the plane formed >by the perpendicular bisector of each line segment pair also contains the >center of the sphere. Three pairs will form three planes, intersecting >at a point. This might be easier to implement. >-Steve >spworley@netcom.com " 10983,13,"From: julkunen@messi.uku.fi (Antero Julkunen) Subject: What about sci.med.chemistry Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland Lines: 10 There is this newsgroup sci.med.physics and there has been quite a lot discussion in this group about many chemical items e.g. prolactin cholesterol, TSH etc. Should there also be a newsgroup sci.med.chemistry? -- Antero Julkunen, Dept Clinical Chemistry, University of Kuopio, Finland e-mail: julkunen@messi.uku.fi, phone +358-71-162680, fax +358-71-162020 " 10984,8,"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME! Keywords: FAQ, FUBAR, ISIFU Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 11 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: >I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the >FAQ via E-Mail. As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper >responce is? Our panel of judges has deliberated the question, and the answer is: Send the requester one copy, and then gang-FAQ yourself. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com " 10985,1,"From: petro@server.uwindsor.ca (PETRO DAVID ) Subject: Shareware Distribution: comp.graphics Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 20 Recently I saw the latest Computer Shopper and in it there was an article on nice shareware graphics programs. They looked pretty good and of the 6 listed in the article, one I had (Graphics Workshop), one I found via archie (Draft Choice - old version though) and the rest I couldn't find. So if there is anyone that knows where I can get the following programs via anonymous ftp, please let me know. Adkins Graphics :AG1.ZIP, AG2.ZIP Draft Choice (latest VGA version) : DRAFTC.ZIP Envision Publisher: ENVIS1.ZIP, ENVIS2.ZIP Neopaint: NEOPNT.ZIP Thanx in advance. D.PETRO -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > DAVID PETRO KWYJIBO-- A big, dumb, balding < > Dept. of Physics North American ape. < > University of Windsor petro@server.uwindsor.ca < " 10986,5,"From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash) Subject: Re: X11R5 and Open Look Organization: Techware Design, Boulder, CO. USA Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr12.220600.10691@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.155820.82@aedc-vax.af.mil>, bonds@aedc-vax.af.mil writes: >> I am reposting this because I am not sure my first post ever made it out. >> I have built and installed X11R5 on my SPARCstation 2. My aim is to run >> the MIT X server but retain the OpenLook Window Manager. I am sure this >> is not uncommon, but I just want to make sure that I change and/or delete >> everything that I need to. For instance, I can start xdm in rc.local, but >> how do I get rid of Xnews? >> > > The OpenLook window manager source is available on the MIT contrib tapes > or from export.lcs.mit.edu .I would suggest building this too, rather than > using the version from OpenWindows. It is olwm v3. > I would suggest skipping olwm and getting olvwm instead. This version of the olwm window manager implements a virtual desktop that I find really handy even on large monitors. This version is also available at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/olvwm3.tar.Z. The README file also suggest getting the files in /contrib/xview3. In my case, I built the X Server first, Xview second, then olvwm. All of these were installed into /usr/X5. Once I verified the server worked correctly, I happily issued ""rm -rf /usr/openwin/*"". Using gcc 2.3.3 to build all of the above resulted in a windowing system that is, for all intents and purposes, identical to OpenWindows 3.0 and that is incredibly faster. There is a bit of tweaking you will have to do if you want things to work _exactly_ like OpenWindows, but not much. -- Paul Bash Techware Design bash@tware.com Boulder, CO U.S.A. " 10987,7,"From: yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The dealer never told me anything about that important story. I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks. yongje@u.washington.edu " 10988,11,"From: ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! Distribution: na Lines: 44 The Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all. But lets ignore that for the moment. The fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from using encryption? Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption process? If the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country is truly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers (depending upon which causes more damage and to whom). However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who cares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone line is insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways from sunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is the attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse. Can't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have never uses PGP. Anyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms is kidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms. One final thought addressed to EFF: 1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of encryption where the encryption key must be revealed? 2.If you do, why? If not, why? 3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either support or stop this proposal? 4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do you offer? The Jester -- Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin " 10989,15,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 13 > [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law, > and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to > decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on > the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if > you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on > Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh] I totally agree with that sentiment. But why do you have to go further and advocate violating what God has set up? That is the question which you have not answered from Scripture. You can worship on every day, as long as you work. But God says the Sabbath is all mine. Darius " 10990,9,"From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) Subject: Re: ESPN and Expansion Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes: >I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little >confused. > >While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit >from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs, >Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was, >of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball >has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's). > >What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would >do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the >likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs. > >My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The >last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I >miss something? > Only if you persist in believing that Peter Gammons is more knowledgable about baseball than the average mailbox. Okay, I'm overstating. Still, the man actually had the gall to say that one out of every six pitchers in the NL this year did not pitch in the majors last year. Huh? IMO, this expansion will not see the explosive jump in offense that the other expansion drafts had, since the talent was diluted over both leagues. In Gammons' defense, because the talent drain came from the AL as well, some increase will be seen. He also gets credit for mentioning that the 1969 jump in offense was due also to the rules changes after the 1968 season. He's still full of it... -- Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu ""If you take out all the f--ks, this is an 18 page book."" -Wally Backman, leafing though a copy of Mets teammate Lenny Dykstra's autobiography, _NAILS_ " 10991,19,"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Sun Lines: 82 NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun In article <1qkj31$4c6@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes: >#In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >#>Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, >#>as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then >#>science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. >#>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said >#>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions? >#>I don't. >#I think that you are changing the meaning of ""values"" here. Perhaps >#it is time to backtrack and take a look at the word. >#value n. 1. A fair equivalent or return for something, such as goods >#or service. 2. Monetary or material worth. 3. Worth as measured in >#usefulness or importance; merit. 4. A principle, standard, or quality >#considered inherently worthwhile or desirable. 5. Precise meaning, as >#of a word. 6. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity. 7. Mus. >#The relative duratation of a tone or rest. 8. The relative darkness or >#lightness of a color. 9. The distinctive quality of a speech or speech >#sound. >#In context of a moral system, definition four seems to fit best. In terms >#of scientific usage, definitions six or eight might apply. Note that >#these definitions do not mean the same thing. >No, I'm using definition (3), or perhaps (4) in both cases. If there >is no objective worth, usefulness, or importance then science has no >objective worth, usefulness, or importance. If nothing is inherently >worthwhile or desirable, then simple theories with accurate predictions >are not inherently worthwhile or desirable. Do you see any flaws in this? The problem is, your use of the word ""objective"" along with ""values."" Both definitions three and four are inherently subjective, that is they are particular to a given individual, or personal. You see, what one person may see as worthwhile, another may see as worthless. >If on the other hand, some things *have* objective worth, usefulness, >or importance, it would be interesting to know what they are. Again, your form of measurement in this sentence, that being of ""worth"" is subjective. >#If you can provide an objective foundation for ""morality"" then that will >#be a good beginning. >I'm not willing to attempt this until someone provides an objective >basis for the notion that science is useful, worthy, or important in >dealing with observed facts. Alternatively, you could try to >demonstrate to me that science is not necessarily useful, worthy >or important in any situation. In other words, I need to know >how you use the term ""objective"". When I find that my usage of a word is different than the usage of that word given by another person, I try to find a standard against which to judge that usage. In most cases, the dictionary is the standard I use. Here is a definiton of objective: objective ADJ. 1. Of or having to do with a material object as distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. 3.a. Unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon. By this definition, science does not have an objective worth, since the phrase ""objective worth"" is an oxymoron. However you asked something a little differently this time, you asked for an objective basis for a notion. The fact that the use of science as an intellectual tool is responsible for changes in our world (the changes are material, and thus ""objective"") would provide an objective _basis_ for an argument. However, the conclusion arrived at from that argument (that science is ""good"") is subjective. I think that the problem here is one of word usage. Take a little time and read the definitions of these words: objective, subjective, worth, value, morality, good, evil. I believe that if you think about the meaning of them for a while, you will have to conclude that there is no such thing as an objective morality. >Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' >odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon eric " 10992,9,"From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE) Subject: Re: Ryan out for 2-5 weeks!! Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 12 And then cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq) quoth: >Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and >is expected to miss 2-5 weeks. That's too bad. I really had hoped Nolan could end his career with a great year. I suppose there is still hope. -- Jason Lee jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu Giants e ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 The most beautiful equation in mathematics. Magic For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: Number: ""It might have been."" John Greenleaf Whittier 155 " 10993,11,"Subject: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu Lines: 55 In article <4014.Apr2003.03.4093@silverton.berkeley.edu> djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes: > >I want to see an organization which will combat such statements. >Encryption does _not_ threaten the public safety, any more than ski >masks do. Every American _is_ entitled to use strong encryption which >ensures his own privacy and is _not_ crippled by a key-escrow system. >I guess I'm looking for a ``League for Cryptographic Freedom.'' Or a >``National Cryptography Association.'' An excellent idea. > >To what extent does the EFF serve this purpose? Is a new organization >necessary? Does it already exist? While I don't know the full scope of the activities of the EFF, from what little I've seen I think it would be better to lobby for strong cryptography through a distinct organization. The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex and pictures newsgroups at various universities. Horror stories about the contents of those groups (e.g. exploitative pictures of possibly underaged models) have already surfaced in the press. The White House bulletin already raised the specter of drug-dealing and terrorism, which is only one step removed from the old ""crypto-wielding child molester"" argument. An EFF lobbying effort for cryptography would be too easily derailed by the connection to child pornography and the like. Similarly, LPF is connected with Stallman and his Gnu project. In light of, say, the Gnu Manifesto, this means that in a public debate it stands to be labelled as ""communist"", ""anarchist hackers"", radical, etc. I don't know about CPSR, but if it is an offshoot of Physicians for Social Responsibility (best known for Helen Caldicott and her hysterical antinuclear lobbying) then it probably also carries unwelcome political baggage. Perhaps for practical reasons a lobbying organization for cryptography would best be formed under the umbrella of EFF or some other existing group, but its charter should then be distinct, independent, and limited to advocacy for the right to cryptography. To reiterate Dan Bernstein's question: does any suitable organization exist? If not, what are you going to do about it? Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the issue as well as the First-Amendment side. Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu " 10994,1,"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Keywords: Obfuscated PostScript Organization: Purdue University Lines: 60 In article jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson) writes: > Intersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??), > by Dave Baraff, Tom Duff > > From: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu > In recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a > new language called PostScript. (See ""PostScript Language"", by Adobe Systems > Incorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985). > > So, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that > draws the line L and the polygon P, and then ""outputs"" the answer. By > ""output"", we mean the program executes a command called ""showpage"", which > actually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick > examination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus > the original problem. Curiously, in modern PostScript, the point in a polygon problem can be solved even more easily. To wit: %! %%Title: Point in Polygon %%Creator: Allen B (ab@cc.purdue.edu) %%For: the amusement of comp.graphics regulars %%LanguageLevel: 2 %%DocumentNeededResource: humor sense thereof %%EndComments % This program will test whether a point is inside a given polygon. % Currently it uses the even-odd rule, but that can be changed by % replacing ineofill with infill. These are Level 2 operators, % so if you've only got Level 1 you're out of luck. % % The result will be printed on the output stream. % % Caution: only accurate to device pixels! % Put a huge scale in first if you aren't sure. % Point to test % PUT X AND Y COORDINATES HERE 50 75 % Vertices of polygon in counter-clockwise order % PUT ARRAY OF PAIRS OF COORDINATES HERE [ [ 0 0 ] [ 100 0 ] [ 100 100 ] [ 67 100 ] [ 67 50 ] [ 33 50 ] [ 33 100 ] [ 0 100 ] ] dup 0 get aload pop moveto dup length 1 dup 3 1 roll sub getinterval { aload pop lineto } forall closepath ineofill { (Yes!) } { (No!) } ifelse = " 10995,1,"From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter) Subject: SHADOW Optical Raytracing Package? Reply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk Organization: SERC Daresbury Laboratory, UK Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: dlsg.dl.ac.uk Hi Everyone :: I am looking for some software called SHADOW as far as I know its a simple raytracer used in the visualization of synchrotron beam lines. Now we have an old version of the program here ,but unfortunately we don't have any documentation if anyone knows where I can get some docs, or maybe a newer version of the program or even another program that does the same sort of thing I would love to hear from you. PS I think SHADOW was written by a F Cerrina? Anyone any ideas? Thanks -Gary- SERC Daresbury Lab. " 10996,1,"From: egg@dstos3.dsto.gov.au Subject: Chosing optimal colors for colormap ? Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: dstos3.dsto.gov.au Hi, I'm looking for an algorithm that would generate a good cross-section of RGB colours given a limited colour map size. The problem: I'm writing an application for the PC that may have at most 256 colors. I want to use one colormap (palette) for the application but I'd like it to contain an even spread of colours of the visible spectrum. I could use a 6x6x6 RGB cube but the problem is that a lot of those colours are almost identical to the human eye. Does anyone know how I can optimize my choice of colors ? " 10997,12,From: leapman@austin.ibm.com Subject: HeathKit/Zenith Article-I.D.: austin.C52EGz.27t3 Reply-To: $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 3 Originator: leapman@junior.austin.ibm.com Does anyone out there have the toll-free (catalog request and order line) for Heathkit/Zenith? Please post the number if you've got it! Thanks. 10998,9,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Rockies (not Rookies) Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.733996812 Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 19 In dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake) writes: >You'd think that an expansion team would be filled with young'ns, not guys >like Murphy, Galaragga, B Smith... It depends. If you can get your old veterans cheap, and if they can perform at a higher level than your young talent can *now*, why not the talent develop in the minors while giving the fans some familiar names to cheer. If the veterans are gone in a year or two -- that should be just about right. >Maybe someone should tell those renegade front office people in Denver. :) Open question -- which was more important to the expansion clubs, the expansion draft or the regular draft. (They've had one of each, I think.) -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball " 10999,5,"From: Gary Keim Subject: Re: X Toolkits Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <199304271930.AA07991@rebels.b23b.ingr.com> Excerpts from misc: 27-Apr-93 Re: X Toolkits Sivesh Pradhaan@rebels.b (423) > I do not have finger!!! So is there any other way of accessing this service > like mail server or telnet or ftp? You can use telnet: % xhost +atk.itc.cmu.edu % telnet atk.itc.cmu.edu 79 run-demo " 11000,12,"From: chin@ee.ualberta.ca (Jing Chin) Subject: Need Info on DSP project Summary: General info on building a DSP project that can manipulate music Keywords: DSP , D/A , A/D , music , project Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 10 I want to start a DSP project that can maniplate music in a stereo cassette. Is that any chip set, development kit and/or compiler that can equilize/mix music? Ideally, The system should have D/A A/D converters & a DSP compiler. A rough estimate of the cost is greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jing Chin e-mail address:chin@bode.ee.ualberta.ca " 11001,16,"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 80 In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't >seem to realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. So what. We think you're pretty hilarious too. I love how you Brit's kiss royal arse. That you're willing to throw out freedom-of-speech for the sake of protecting the reputation of the royal sluts. That the British government advertised in American newspapers ""Send A Gun to Defend a British Home -- British civilians, faced with threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes."" during WWII. [American Rifleman November, 1940] That The Obscene Publications Act and the Misuse of Drugs Act have been used as justification for the police to seize masterpieces such as William S. Burrough's ""Junky"", Hunter Thompson's ""Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"", and Tom Wolfe's ""The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test"". British courts have never recognized the right to assemble or to demonstrate. That evidence obtained form coerced confessions is allowed in a trial. That only serious felonies warrant a trial by jury. That suspected terrorists must prove their innocence, instead of the government having to prove their guilt. That the secretary of state may issue an ""exclusionary order"" which bars someone from ever entering a particular part of the United Kingdom, such as Northern Ireland or Wales. That the BBC banned Paul McCartney's ""Give Ireland Back to the Irish"" as well as John Lennon's ""Give Peace a Chance"" during the Gulf War. Yes, England is very very funny. And very pathetic. >I knew somebody else who went to one of your ""Gun-mart"" superstore >places, just so he could experience the sight of people putting guns >and ammo into shopping carts! I didn't believe it myself until I >drove by one in Vegas last year!!! So what. Laughter is a way of dealing with things we find uncomfortable. I thought the ""Las Vegas Show Girl"" ads on Las Vegas street corners were pretty funny. Yes indeed, there are many strange and wonderous things in this country. I wouldn't have it any other way. >Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world >perceives you gun-nut morons. The BBC recently referred to the American >penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was >called a ""national eccentricity."" I don't disagree with that, I don't think it's bad either. >The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national >eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the >border. So what. If they didn't come from here they would come from elsewhere disguised as cocaine. >Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes >against Brady and other evil ""Liberal media"" plots - you 're so damn funny! >You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples >of why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling! You can laugh all you want, for us it's a matter of life or death. I don't find that funny in the least. As for England: ""As our allies become more open, Britain grow yet more secretive and censorious. Perhaps the real British vice is passivity, a willingness to tolerate constraints which others would find unbearble."" [in ""Britain, An Unfree Country"" by Terrence DeQuesne and Edward Goodman, pp 33.] -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com " 11002,7,"From: schrader@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Dave Schrader) Subject: 400 big block Keywords: 400 big block Article-I.D.: news.C5MF3F.LnB Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc. Lines: 9 As the subject says. It has 70k and my brother-in-law wants $250. Please don't reply to me as I am posting this for him. Here's his numbers : 5pm-10pm 712 676 3669 daytime 712 269 1261 -- Dave Schrader schrader@eai.iastate.edu " 11003,13,"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: fibromyalgia Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA In article <93Apr5.133521edt.1231@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> craig@cs.toronto.edu (Craig MacDonald) writes: >> It may be extremely >>common, something like 5% of the population. It is treatable with >>tricyclic antidepressant-type drugs (Elavil, Pamelor). > >Why is it treated with antidepressants? Is it considered a >psychogenic condition? No. That these drugs happen to be useful as antidepressants is neither here nor there. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer " 11004,14,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Keywords: Solar Sail Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes: >> >>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >> Sails >I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science >Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail >proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to >generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at >the meeting. Here goes : [Stuff deleted] >However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most >people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per >square kilometer. ^^^^ ^^^^ I'm glad to see that someone is working on this. However, it would be nice if he got his units right. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal " 11005,8,"From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr19.193331.11327@sarvax.cmhnet.org>, frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) writes: |> From article , by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers): |> > |> > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the |> > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end |> > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie |> > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!). |> |> It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm). OH yes they do! but considering i never wash my BMW (unless i need to work on it) i never get cuts untill the tools come out..... altho the best scar (now faded) was from the exhaust piper, while try to change the oil, after overheating the engine (watch out for idiot drivers that won't let you pass in the mountains when you have a rider, case of oil (it was on sale), and case of beer), with a drain bolt that decided to seize. just how does everyone else clean out the area under the transmission on a BMW R bike? they only way i have found is to remove the engine and transmission. that and the clutch arm are impossible to clean (which is wear one of the EC (s&m) are located). laz Ps anyone know where i can get the heads polished and ported cheap. also how much should that run. " 11006,1,"From: egerter@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Barry Egerter) Subject: Where's DMORF? Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Distribution: usa Keywords: DMORF Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 26 Could anyone direct me to the FTP site where I can find the DOS-based morphing package called DMORF12.ZIP? I had downloaded this file last week, but the new DOS 6 crashed my hard drive and I lost it. Now I can't find the site where I got it from....... Also, are there any other morphing packages out for DOS (freeware or shareware) Thanks in advance, Barry /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | \\ // _______ _______ egerter@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca | | \\ // // | | | \\ /\ // || ___ | Author of WGT graphics | | \\//\\// || \\ | toolkit for 320*200*256 VGA | | \/ \/ . \\____// . | . Version 3.5 Now Available | | (Turbo/Borland C++ 1.0 or better)| |JOYSTICK MOUSE GRAPHICS PRIMITIVES NON-BGI POWER GIF/PCX DATA STORAGE | |SPRITES MULTIWAY SCROLLING GAMES BITMAP WARPING/RESIZING SB SUPPORT FLI| \___________________________________________________________________________/ -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | \\ // _______ _______ egerter@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca | | \\ // // | | " 11007,19,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 96 >/(hudson) >/And from a materialistic point of view, it could be said that the nervous >/system is just matter. What is wrong with producing chemical reactions in >/matter? > >Because this matter is different. It is alive, and self-aware. And it >feels pain. /(hudson) /If all morality were relative- big hairy deal. As I said, you appear to be the only person saying that all morality is relative. Most people I know do hold some absolutes in their moral system. I >>personally<< believe that the dignity of the individual and the right of free will are absolutes. I recognize that there are some moral systems around which don't accept this; I reject them as dangerous and anti-social (nazism, some forms of communism, fundamentalist xtianity--no, that's not a slam). But for the most part, almost every moral system agrees on these two points. (me) >and the sky, and everything in it; everything that was created came out >of God. Everything, including this matter, is part of God. Therefore, is >it wrong to put parts of God in a test tube and make It go through >reactions? Isn't that a form of blasphemy? /(hudson) /Generally, Christians believe in a Creator-Creation distinction. Other /religions believe in one big whole. I don't accept yor premises. Too bad. I know I'm right, so I get to enforce my view upon you whether you like my premise or not. And since you can't prove otherwise, there isn't even an intellectual basis for your resistance to accepting my viewpoint. >/(hudson) >/How long will it be before the ""as long as it doesn't hurt someone else"" >/becomes more and more relative until the only rule that is left is >/""I will do what I want to do, no matter who it hurts."" > >There's a big jump between those two positions, and you know it very >well. Don't play stupid. I realize that you're trying to dispute >what you call ""popular morality"" by using what you think is logic, >but you're stretching this a bit too thin. /(hudson) /I don't think so. once morality becomes relative, it degenerates. I am /saying that reasoning that it is generally evil to hurt other people is bad. /(though I don't think it is sufficient.) Well, then answer me this: you seem to be opposed to moral relativism (as you call it) because it has the capacity to degenerate. Obviously, then, you would advocate a nonrelative (absolute) moral system. Whose absolutist moral system do we choose? How do we come to this decision? What about people who disagree with the chosen moral system? /(hudson) /But if morality is considered to /be relative, and this rule isn't based on anything, but is just an arbitrary /rule, people might abandon it. Fine. I can agree with most of what you typed here. However, just because morality gets based on something nonrelative does NOT mean that we have to pick your xtianity as its base. We can start a morality based on dignity of humans, freedom of choice, tolerance, etc. and NEVER EVER rely on xtianity for anything. Just because someone has a consistent moral system based on true principles does not mean that they have to involve xtianity in it. Xtianity certainly does not have a monopoly on principles of behavior; indeed, fewer religions are guiltier of violating their own principles " 11008,17,"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 128 In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: | |> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: |> > |> >It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of |> >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps |> >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. |> |> This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the |> opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the |> innocent civilians into harm's way. |> |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects |> innocent lives? Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... ""GETTING BACK"" ...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of civilians. |> >If Israel insists that |> >the so called ""Security Zone"" is necessary for the protection of |> >Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation |> >with the blood of its soldiers. |> >If Israel is interested in peace, than it should withdraw from OUR land. |> |> What? So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states |> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will |> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the |> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their |> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way |> Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of |> tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". If Israel is not willing to accept the ""word"" of others then, IMHO, it has no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. |> > |> >I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only |> >real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace |> >settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and |> >peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure |> >no one on either side of the border is shelled. |> |> Good lord, Brad. [....] No, I am not Basil. I think Basil is a very intelligent person and I respect what he writes. Basil is a person that I would gladly call a friend. He is, however, not me. Nor am I Lebanese, as some seem to suspect. |> >This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to |> >realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting |> >its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more |> >Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel |> >would have resulted in. |> |> Perhaps you are aware that, to most communities of people, there is |> the feeling that it is better that ""many of us die fighting |> against those who attack us than for few to die while we silently |> accept our fate."" If,however, you call on Israel to see the sense of |> suffering fewer casualties, I suggest you apply the same to Palestinian, |> Arab and Islamic groups. Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't make the Lebanese so mad as to do that. Furthermore, with Hezbollah subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible. |> >and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is |> >capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did |> >in all other parts of Lebanon. |> > |> >Basil |> |> It has not. Without the support, and active involvement, of Syria, |> Lebanon would not have been able to accomplish all that has occurred. |> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain |> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel. Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border? Not lately, eh? Israel knows very well that the Syrians are able to restrain ALL who would use territory under their control to attack Israel. While Lebanon would be better off with Syria and Israel out of its borders, the presence of Syrian troops in Lebanon has meant a sharp decrease in attacks on Israeli territory (not on Israeli troops in Lebanon, however. Please note the distinction) in the past two years. |> > |> Tim |> |> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and |> selectively naive. I disagree, Basil has always seemed to me to be a cool-headed person, slow to anger (certainly more so than I). What is most important is that he is an actual witness to things from the other end of the Israeli guns. If only the Israeli government would remember what it was like when the roles were reversed perhaps they would moderate their ""retaliation"". Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) " 11009,9,"From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") Subject: New Uniforms Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 22 Usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been incredible. Any thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds. The Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me a little of the Dodger logo. Many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional. (Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties. With salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be. " 11010,9,From: jclouse@discover.wright.edu (Jim Clouse) Subject: World Series Stats Nntp-Posting-Host: discgate Organization: Wright State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 3 Does anybody else think that WS stats should become part of a player's career stats? Why not? 11011,5,"From: N.R.Ellis@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel R. Ellis) Subject: Keyboard map for UK type 5 keyboard under X11/R5? Nntp-Posting-Host: ws-ai3.dur.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Reply-To: N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, University of Durham, Durham, UK. DH1 3LE Lines: 16 Hi, does anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under X11/R5 ? Thanks, Nigel. -- ============================================================================ | Nigel R Ellis, Artificial Intelligence Group, | N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk | | Computer Science, University of Durham, | Phne: +44.91.374.2549 | | Durham. England DH1 3LE | Fax : +44.91.374.3741 | ============================================================================ " 11012,15,"From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 17 In article revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) writes: >James Sledd (jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu) wrote: >: Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... >: > >Are you suggesting that God supports genocide? >Perhaps the Germans were ""punishing"" Jews on God's behalf? > >Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of >my worship or faith. You might want to re-think your attitude about the Holocaust after reading Deuteronomy chapter 28. Tom Price | tp0x@cs.cmu.edu | Free will? What free will? ***************************************************************************** plutoniumsurveillanceterroristCIAassassinationIranContrawirefraudcryptology " 11013,11,"From: mcbeeb@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee) Subject: How can clipper stay classified? Article-I.D.: leela.1qstqs$jmt Distribution: world Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu Maybe I don't know enough to know what I am asking, but with millions of these things about, how could the algorythm possibly stay secret? Couldn't some clever hackers just grind the thing down layer by layer, and see how it worked? -- ---- Brian McBee mcbeeb@atlantis.cs.orst.edu Finger me for PGP 2.1 key " 11014,8,"From: bakalis@apollo.HP.COM (Steven Bakalis) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Article-I.D.: apollo.C52JGB.K99 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: fantail.ch.apollo.hp.com In article <1pqarb$fnq@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce) writes: |> Peter Nesbitt (0005111312@mcimail.com) wrote: |> : Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by |> : a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road. The |> : officer stated ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down |> : highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75."" I just said okay, |> : and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. |> 1) The next time you get stoped by a cop, never never never admit to anything. 2) Don't volunteer any information. 3) When a retoracle question is ask by the cop, like ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75?"" -- the correct reponse is to deny it. This technique is employed by police to help establish guilt, especially when (9 times out of 10) he/she is not sure who was doing the speeding. If the cop is unsure this may be the difference of him letting you off the hook or getting the tissue. Hope this helps for next time. Steven Bakalis " 11015,3,"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: Do the 2MB ATI Ultra Pro 16 and 24 bit Windows Drivers Work? Lines: 47 Nntp-Posting-Host: ecru.cc.utexas.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 47 In article <87402@ut-emx.uucp>, reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) writes: > Hi there. We just bought a 486 DX2/66 Gateway system with a 2 meg ATI > Ultra Pro video card. Everything seems to work fine except for the > Windows Drivers for 800x600 24 bit, and 800x600 and 1024x768 16 bit > modes. The fonts and icons start deteriorating after windows startup, > and within minutes of use, everything on the screen is totally > unintelligible. Naturally, I called Gateway tech support to inquire > about this. The technician asked me about the drivers, and I told him it > was version 1.5, build 59. He told me that the 16 and 24 bit drivers for > the ATI Ultra Pro simply do not work!!! Is this true? If so, I'm simply > amazed. How could this be? The strange thing is I would have expected > to see some discussion on here (unless the subject has made the FAQ!!!). > > One very suspicious point that came up later was that he stated that none > of the Windows Accelerator boards have working 16 and/or 24 bit drivers > for Windows 3.1. I easily challenged him on that because I've been > running a Diamond 24x in 15 bit mode at home for 4 months now, and I have > tested and used the 24 bit mode as well. He then backed off and said: > ""Well, Diamond has been working on those drivers much longer."" Anyway, I > just wanted to see if anyone else had any trouble and what they did about > it. Any feedback will be appreciated. > > The system configuration is: > > Gateway 486 DX2/66 Local Bus > 16 Megs Ram > SCSI HD & CD-ROM > Ultrastor 34F Local Bus SCSI controller > ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus with 2MB VRAM > DOS 6.0 > Windows 3.1 > Mach 32 drivers version 1.5 (build 59) I have been able to successfully use both 16 and 24 bit color modes on my Gateway system, although my setup is less complicated than yours. It sounds as if you may have a hardware conflict or problem. Is your memory aperture above 16M? I have heard rumors of incompatibilities with that SCSI card with a variety of systems. Call up Gateway and give them hell until they help you fix it. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] " 11016,14,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: japanese moon landing/temporary orbit Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 25 rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes: >The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These >are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a >three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the >earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for >deceleration. I should probably re-post this with another title, so that the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical use of ""temporary orbits..."" Another possible temporary orbit: -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man " 11017,4,"From: leapman@austin.ibm.com (Scott Leapman) Subject: Re: Half-page hand scanners? Originator: leapman@junior.austin.ibm.com Reply-To: $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 8 I have a Lightening Scan Pro 256 hand scanner. It came with scanning/editing software, OCR software, and some plug-in modules for Photoshop et al. The scanner was a tad on the pricey side ($480), but the scans are incredibly accurate, in 256 level, 300 dpi grayscale. It also has dithered and line art settings when grayscale isn't desired. Great scanning software, easy to use. I frequently write letters to my neices, and spontaneouly include a scanned image in the note. Hope this helps! " 11018,10,"From: wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) Subject: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: wangr@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 9 Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put win as first in a tie breaker...... " 11019,15,"From: drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker) Subject: Re: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 52 In article , Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (A 369) writes: |> Can anybody tell me the basic reasons for holding a belief that there |> is only Jesus? And vice versa: The foundations for the Trinity? |> |> Bjorn I'd love to know how ""Jesus only"" proponents would answer questions like: -Who is this ""Father"" Jesus keeps referring to? Why does He call Himself ""the Son""? -Why does He pray to the Father, and not to himself? -Why does He emphasize that he does his Father's will, and not his own? If He was doing his own will, what kind of example is that? Should we follow it? -When He says he has to return to the Father, who is He going to? -When He says he does this in order that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit might come, who might that be? -If He claims that the coming of the Holy Spirit is such a blessing that it's worth His leaving us and returning to the Father, what can that mean if there is no Holy Spirit? -Why doesn't the best known Christian prayer begin ""Our Saviour, who art in heaven,"" rather than ""Our Father?"" Do they have answers to these questions that are even plausible? (Further entertaining queries are left as an exercise to the reader.) -drt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |David R. Tucker KG2S drt@athena.mit.edu| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [There may be some misunderstanding over terms here. I believe ""Jesus only"" originally was in the context of baptism. These are folks who believe that baptism should be done with a formula mentioning only Jesus, rather than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This may have doctrinal implications, but as far as I know it does not mean that these folks deny the existence or divinity of the Father. I'm not the right one to describe this theology, and in fact I think there may be several, including what would classically be called monophysite or Arian (two rather different views), as well as some who have beliefs that are probably consistent with Trinitarian standards, but who won't use Trinitarian language because they misunderstand it or simply because it is not Biblical. --clh] " 11020,16,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 84 In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a [Warning: Flammage to follow...] Ah, that British sense of humor. Probably got a real gut-buster going when the IRA blew that kid up a couple of weeks ago, huh? Of course, in Britain, your government has ordered you defenseless, so your way of coping with violent criminals is to laugh at victims. >pick-up truck in front of the car that my friend and I were in. It had a bumper >sticker proclaiming ""Gun Control is a firm grip on a .45."" Now I'm sure that >that wanker thought he was pretty cool. I don't know about a .45. My own preference is for 9mm. >What he didn't realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck, and >showed it to our friends when we got back to Vancouver, Canada (where I'm from >originally). People were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a >sticker, and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the >first place! :) Ah, Canada. Where the criminals don't bother with checking to see if the victims are home. They just break on in. America's a little different, you see. Criminals worry a bit more about getting shot, so they more frequently check to see if anyone's home. >I knew somebody else who went to one of your ""Gun-mart"" superstore places, just >so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping >carts! I didn't believe it myself until I drove by one in Vegas last year!!! I've heard Gun World in Phoenix, Arizona, is fantastic! I'm hoping to visit there myself soon. >Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world >perceives you gun-nut morons. The BBC recently referred to the American >penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was >called a ""national eccentricity."" Ah, Britain again. Isn't that the place where you're guilty until proven innocent? Tell me, Mr. ""jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk"" didn't Britain come begging to us ""gun nut morons"" in the early 1940s for guns to defend yourselves against Hitler? Seems as though your supposedly enlightened government had disarmed you: ""Aw chaps, you can jolly give up your guns. If that Hitler man starts to threaten, we can always hit up the Yanks for a few guns. They've got a bloody eccentric habit about those guns, you know. Just hand in your shotgun, that's it. Thank you."" >The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national >eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the >border. Ain't it just amazing how those black markets work? Damn if those drugs from south america keep coming over our borders, too, even though we've banned them. Guess we might as well legalize them. Makes you want to send fifty bucks to the Libertarian Party just thinking about it, doesn't it? >Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes >against Brady and other evil ""Liberal media"" plots - you 're so damn funny! >You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of >why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling! > Your close-minded ignorance is without parallel. I guess that's what happens when you're raised as a ""subject"" without rights. Your type gravitates to those who desire to hold power over you. >Hell, I miss those NRA ads with Gerald McRainey now that I'm over here! Those >were like Monty Python sketches! Just chuckle as the cops beat you senseless to get a confession. Just laugh yourself silly when you find that confession is valid in court. ""Hey mate, this is justice, British style."" Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium " 11021,16,"From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Nntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes: >In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his >troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time >that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to >standards at least as moral as the military's. Here! Here! But any call for responsibility and accountability from police is invariably interpreted as being ""soft on crime"". Being ""tough on crime"" and building more prisons and seizing more property is the politically astute thing to do these days. >Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children. >Government greed. And citizen complacency! >It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions. Don't forget the politicians that write the laws that make it easy for the police agencies to become corrupt. The War on Some Drugs brought us this corruption and only an end to it (legalization) will stop the corruption. smg " 11022,9,"From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms) Article-I.D.: news.12805 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu Am I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are ugly? Yet another reason why they won't win the NL West! ;) ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- " 11023,11,"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 11 Quoting pla@sktb.demon.co.uk in article <8AOHOnj024n@sktb.demon.co.uk>: >You have every reason to be scared shitless. Take a look at the records >of McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at >sucking) and Nixon. History does not record whether J. Edgar Hoover was any good at sucking. As for the cleaners, I'll stick with my 850W Electrolux and damn the carpet. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! " 11024,13,"From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby) Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial Nntp-Posting-Host: oahu.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: na Lines: 9 If the nose culture shows Staph, then Ceftin or even Ceclor are better. Suprax does not kill Staph. Treating bacterial infections involves a lot of try-and-fail because the infections often involve multiple organisms with many resistant strains. Some 60% of Hemophilus Influenza strains are now resistant. What works for me and my organisms may not work for you and yours. Keep experimenting. Ken Colby " 11025,15,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: re: Pantheism and Environmentalism Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 31 KEVXU@cunyvm.bitnet writes: [deleted] > first paragraph and the mention of pantheism. Is pantheism ""perverted"" > and ""dangerous"", or just not one's cup of tea? None of this is clear. I can't speak for Mr. Cavano, but I understood his comment to refer to the idea that unrecognized pantheism is dangerous to Christians. If we unthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas that are opposed to Christianity, we can pervert our faith. When we clearly recognize pantheism when we encounter it we have the opportunity to embrace what is consistent with Christianity and reject what isn't. We need to be alert, always thinking and questioning. We must examine the underlying assumptions of every book we read, tv program we watch and socio-political movement we participate in. Ideas are important. Philosophies and doctrines are what give form to the events of our lives. They are the basis from which we live our lives of love and service. The command to love God with all one's mind means no fuzzy- headed drifting from idea to idea. > and that consumerism and our rapacious style of living > are so rarely called by their appropriate name: Greed. One Christian who acknowledges this is the Pope. It is a frequent theme in his writings. Indeed, thoughtful Christians from most traditions recognize that consumerism has no place in the lives of Christians. It too is a perversion and dangerous to our faith. Thank you, Jack, for pointing out the parallel. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org " 11026,14,"From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: Guns for Space Keywords: Sopa Gun, Space Launcer Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 72 Okay, lets get the record straight on the Livermore gas gun. The project manager is Dr. John Hunter, and he works for the Laser group at Livermore. What, you may ask, does gas guns have to do with lasers? Nothing, really, but the gun is physically located across the road from the Free Electron Laser building, and the FEL building has a heavily shielded control room (thick walls) from which the gun firings are controlled. So I suspect that the office he works for is an administrative convenience. I visited Hunter at the beginning of Feb. and we toured the gun. At the time I was working on gas gun R&D at Boeing, where I work, but I am now doing other things (helping to save the space station), The gun uses a methane-air mixture, which is burned in a chamber about 200 ft long by 16 inch ID (i.e. it looks like a pipe). The chamber holds a 1 ton piston which is propelled at several hundred m/s down the chamber. On the other side of the piston is hudrogen gas, initially at room temperature andsome tens of atmospheres. The piston compresses and heats the hydrogen ahead of it until a stainless steel burst diaphragm ruptures, at around 50,000 psi. The barrel of the gun is about 100 feet long and has a 4 inch bore. It is mounted at right angles to the chamber (i.e. they intersect). This was done so that in the future, the barrel could be raised and the gun fired into the air without having to move the larger and heavier chamber. The projectile being used in testing is a 5 kg cylinder of Lexan plastic, 4 in in diameter and about 50 cm long. All of the acceleration comes from the expansion of the hydrogen gas from 50,000 psi downwards until the projectile leaves the barrel. The barrel is evacuated, and the end is sealed with a sheet of plastic film (a little thicker than Saran wrap). The plastic is blown off by the small amount of residual air trapped in the barrel ahead of the projectile. The gun is fired into a bunker filled with sandbags and plastic water jugs. In the early testing fragments of the plastic projectile were found. At the higher speeds in later testing, the projectile vaporizes. The testing is into a bunker because the Livermore test range is about 3 miles across, and the projectile would go 100-200 km if fired for maximum range. The intent is to move the whole gun to Vandenberg AFB after the testing is complete, where they can fire into the Pacific Ocean, and use the tracking radar at VAFB to follow the projectiles. The design goal of the gun is to throw a 5 kg projectile at 4 km/s (half of orbital speed). So far they have reached 2 km/s, and the gun is currently down for repairs, as on the last test they blew a seal and damaged some of the hardware (I think it had to do with the methane-air more detonating than burning, but I haven't had a chance to talk to Hunter directly on this). There are people waiting to test scramjet components in this gun by firing then out of the gun into the air (at Mach 12= 4 km/s), since the most you can get in wind tunnels is Mach 8. This gun cost about 4 million to develop, and is basically a proof-of-concept for a bigger gun capable of firing useful- sized payloads into space. This would require on the order of 100 kg projectiles, which deliver on the order of 20 kg useful payload to orbit. Dani Eder -- Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. " 11027,10,"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Thur, April 15, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 278 Philadelphia 1 2 4--7 Buffalo 0 3 1--4 First period 1, Philadelphia, Recchi 52 (Galley, Lindros) 0:18. Second period 2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 11 (Dineen, Eklund) pp, 2:15. 3, Philadelphia, Dineen 33 (McGill) sh, 5:40. 4, Buffalo, Barnaby 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) pp, 7:48. 5, Buffalo, Wood 18 (LaFontaine, Ledyard) pp, 17:34. 6, Buffalo, Mogilny 75 (Hawerchuk, Carney) pp, 18:56. Third period 7, Philadelphia, Eklund 11 (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42. 8, Buffalo, Mogilny 76 (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24. 9, Philadelphia, Dineen 34 (Brind'Amour) pp, 6:44. 10, Philadelphia, Dineen 35 (Brind'Amour, Galley) sh, 8:39. 11, Philadelphia, Acton 8 (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48. Philadelphia: 7 Power play: 5-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 2 Total: 4 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Acton 1 0 1 Beranek 0 1 1 Brind'Amour 0 3 3 Dineen 3 3 6 Eklund 1 1 2 Galley 0 2 2 Hawgood 1 0 1 Lindros 0 1 1 McGill 0 1 1 Recchi 1 0 1 Buffalo: 4 Power play: 10-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barnaby 1 0 1 Carney 0 1 1 Errey 0 1 1 Hawerchuk 0 2 2 LaFontaine 0 2 2 Ledyard 0 1 1 Mogilny 2 0 2 Smehlik 0 1 1 Wood 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Minnesota 1 1 1--3 Detroit 0 2 3--5 First period 1, Minnesota, McPhee 18 (Ludwig) 1:23. Second period 2, Minnesota, Dahlen 34 (Courtnall, Gagner) pp, 0:31. 3, Detroit, Drake 18 (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14. 4, Detroit, Ysebaert 34 (Lidstrom, Howe) pp, 17:37. Third period 5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 41 (Coffey, Chiasson) pp, 0:32. 6, Detroit, Kennedy 19 (Burr, Probert) 3:42. 7, Detroit, Yzerman 58 (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17. 8, Minnesota, Dahlen 35 (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11. Detroit: 5 Power play: 4-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Burr 0 1 1 Chiasson 0 1 1 Ciccarelli 1 1 2 Coffey 0 1 1 Drake 1 0 1 Gallant 0 1 1 Howe 0 2 2 Kennedy 1 0 1 Lidstrom 0 1 1 Ogrodnick 0 1 1 Probert 0 1 1 Ysebaert 1 0 1 Yzerman 1 0 1 Minnesota: 3 Power play: 2-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Courtnall 0 2 2 Dahlen 2 0 2 Gagner 0 2 2 Ludwig 0 1 1 McPhee 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Edmonton 0 0 0--0 Winnipeg 1 2 0--3 First period 1, Winnipeg, Shannon 20 (Steen, Davydov) pp, 2:08. Second period 2, Winnipeg, Selanne 76 (Olausson) 5:25. 3, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 25 (Selanne) 19:42. Third period No scoring. Winnipeg: 3 Power play: 6-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Davydov 0 1 1 Olausson 0 1 1 Selanne 1 1 2 Shannon 1 0 1 Steen 0 1 1 Zhamnov 1 0 1 Edmonton: 0 Power play: 3-0 No scoring ----------------------------------------- Toronto 1 1 0--2 Chicago 0 2 1--3 First period 1, Toronto, Baumgartner 1 (unassisted) 18:40. Second period 2, Chicago, Roenick 50 (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29. 3, Toronto, Andreychuk 55 (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22. 4, Chicago, Murphy 7 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 19:05. Third period 5, Chicago, Matteau 15 (unassisted) 10:51. Error: Power play goal mismatch. Assuming calc value. Error: Team: Toronto Calc: 0 Read: 1 Chicago: 3 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Chelios 0 2 2 Matteau 1 0 1 Murphy 1 1 2 Roenick 1 1 2 Toronto: 2 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Andreychuk 1 0 1 Baumgartner 1 0 1 Lefebvre 0 1 1 Mironov 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- First period 1, St Louis, Shanahan 50 (Brown, Felsner) 10:44. 2, St Louis, Miller 23 (Bassen, Brown) 19:38. 3, St Louis, Bassen 8 (Zombo) 19:48. Second period 4, St Louis, Bassen 9 (Hedican, Miller) 0:14. 5, St Louis, Miller 24 (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09. 6, Tampa Bay, Maltais 7(Hamrlik) 11:27. 7, Tampa Bay, Bergland 3 (Hervey, Gilhen) 17:16. 8, St Louis, Shanahan 51 (Emerson) 19:38. Third period 9, Tampa Bay, Creighton 19 (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40. 10, Tampa Bay, Chambers 10 (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37. 11, Tampa Bay, Cole 12 (Beers, Bradley) 11:58. St Louis: 6 Power play: 4-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bassen 2 1 3 Brown 0 2 2 Emerson 0 1 1 Felsner 0 1 1 Hedican 0 2 2 Miller 2 1 3 Shanahan 2 0 2 Zombo 0 2 2 Tampa Bay: 5 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Beers 0 1 1 Bergevin 0 1 1 Bergland 1 1 2 Bradley 0 1 1 Chambers 1 0 1 Cole 1 1 2 Creighton 1 0 1 Gilhen 0 1 1 Hamrlik 0 1 1 Hervey 0 1 1 Maltais 1 0 1 Zamuner 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- San Jose 0 1 2--3 Calgary 0 4 3--7 First period No scoring. Second period 1, San Jose, Garpenlov 22 (Odgers, Gaudreau) pp, 3:37. 2, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 38 (MacInnis, Suter) pp, 5:26. 3, Calgary, Ranheim 21 (Otto, Suter) 10:43. 4, Calgary, Yawney 1 (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26. 5, Calgary, Berube 4 (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45. Third period 6, San Jose, Wood 1 (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00. 7, Calgary, Reichel 40 (unassisted) 9:26. 8, Calgary, Roberts 38 (Musil, Paslawski) pp, 12:27. 9, San Jose, Kisio 26 (unassisted) 13:10. 10, Calgary, Paslawski 18 (Ashton, Stern) 16:16. Calgary: 7 Power play: 4-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ashton 0 1 1 Berube 1 0 1 MacInnis 0 1 1 Musil 0 1 1 Nieuwendyk 1 1 2 Otto 0 1 1 Paslawski 1 2 3 Ranheim 1 0 1 Reichel 1 0 1 Roberts 1 1 2 Skrudland 0 1 1 Stern 0 1 1 Suter 0 2 2 Yawney 1 0 1 San Jose: 3 Power play: 3-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Garpenlov 1 0 1 Gaudreau 0 1 1 Kisio 1 1 2 Odgers 0 2 2 Wood 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- Vancouver 1 2 5--8 Los Angeles 2 3 1--6 First period 1, Los Angeles, Robitaille 63 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39. 2, Vancouver, Babych 3 (Craven, Nedved) pp, 9:43. 3, Los Angeles, Sandstrom 25 (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06. Second period 4, Vancouver, Linden 32 (Ronning, Courtnall) pp, 0:54. 5, Vancouver, Ward 22 (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24. 6, Los Angeles, Gretzky 16 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57. 7, Los Angeles, Zhitnik 12 (Kurri, Robitaille) pp, 14:02. 8, Los Angeles, Millen 23 (Hardy) pp, 16:57. Third period 9, Vancouver, Ronning 27 (Dirk) 5:28. 10, Vancouver, Ronning 28 (Courtnall, Linden) pp, 11:15. 11, Vancouver, Linden 33 (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27. 12, Los Angeles, Donnelly 29 (Millen, Granato) pp, 14:35. 13, Vancouver, Courtnall 31 (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54. 14, Vancouver, Ronning 29 (Linden, Diduck) en, 18:47. Vancouver: 8 Power play: 6-3 Special goals: pp: 3 en: 1 Total: 4 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Babych 1 0 1 Courtnall 1 3 4 Craven 0 1 1 Diduck 0 1 1 Dirk 0 1 1 Hunter 0 1 1 Linden 2 2 4 Nedved 0 2 2 Ratushny 0 1 1 Ronning 3 3 6 Ward 1 0 1 Los Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Donnelly 1 0 1 Granato 0 1 1 Gretzky 1 2 3 Hardy 0 1 1 Kurri 0 1 1 Millen 1 1 2 Robitaille 1 3 4 Sandstrom 1 2 3 Zhitnik 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- " 11028,1,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Gaspra Animation (QuickTime) Keywords: Gaspra, JPL Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 ============================== GASPRA ANIMATION March 12, 1993 ============================== The Gaspra animation is now available at the Ames Space Archives in QuickTime format. The animation was formed from 11 images taken by the Galileo spaecraft shortly before its closest approach to the asteroid in October 1991. The animation is available using anonymous ftp to: ftp: ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) user: anonymous cd: pub/SPACE/ANIMATION files: gaspra.qt ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | It's kind of fun to do /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | the impossible. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | Walt Disney " 11029,13,"From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Re: Modified sense of taste in Cancer pt? Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr21.134848.19017@peavax.mlo.dec.com>, lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger) writes: > > What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems ""off"" > when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible > causes of this? Why does it happen? I can't answer most of your questions, but I've seen it happen in family members who are being treated with radiation and/or chemotherapy. Jory Graham published a cookbook many years ago (in cooperation with the American Cancer Society, I think) called ""Something has to taste good"" (as I recall). The cookbook was just what we needed several times when favorite foods suddenly became ""yech"". Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI " 11030,6,From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger) Subject: 101 Keyboard wanted. Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 7 I'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably a 101 layout.) I'm looking to spend about $20. -- David 11031,11,"From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Mount Holyoke College Lines: 32 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: orixa.mtholyoke.edu In article marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes: >Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer. > > % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 > Trying... > Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT > expn clipper > 250- >[...] > 221 first.org closing connection > Connection closed. > >Well, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, [...] Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp Trying 129.6.54.11... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT expn clipper 500 Command unrecognized Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. -- Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu | Vending machines SHOULD respond to a [finger] South Hadley, MA, USA | request with a list of all items currently --Unix is dead, long live Unix-- | available for purchase... -RFC1288 " 11032,14,"From: Thomas.Enblom@eos.ericsson.se (Thomas Enblom) Subject: NAVSTAR positions Reply-To: Thomas.Enblom@eos.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: eos8c29.ericsson.se I've just read Richard Langley's latest ""Navstar GPS Constellation Status"". It states that the latest satellite was placed in Orbit Plane Position C-3. There is already one satellite in that position. I know that it's almost ten years since that satellite was launched but it's still in operation so why not use it until it goes off? Why not instead place the new satellite at B-4 since that position is empty and by this measure have an almost complete GPS-constellation (23 out of 24)? /Thomas ================================================================================ Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Thomas Enblom, just another employee. " 11033,6,"From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) Subject: I WANT YOUR 486sx or dx CHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!! Lines: 14 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 14 I am in the market for a couple of Intel 486 chips. Please let me know if you have one (or more) for sale. I am interested in both SX and DX models, but they must be Intel. email me at: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet " 11034,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups |> >>as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. |> > |> >So, why ""must"" they have such laws? |> |> The quotation marks should enclose ""laws,"" not ""must."" Oh, Your Highness? And exactly why ""should"" the quotation marks enclose ""laws,"" not ""must."" In case you didn't notice, it's the function of the ""must"" that I wish to ironicise. |> |> If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, |> etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society |> into chaos. Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such behaviour, entirely by chance. Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an organism evolves cooperative behaviour? What about the natural morality of bee dance? jon. " 11035,4,"From: Ravi Konchigeri Subject: Video cable options X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 02:14:01 GMT Organization: Stanford University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 11 There was a discussion a couple of weeks ago about using different cables to achieve different resolutions on the Quadra and Centris series. A company that sold the cables was mentioned. Can someone please e-mail me the companies name, address, etc, and any other info that may be relevant? ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."" Ravi Konchigeri. mongoose@leland.stanford.edu " 11036,2,"From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: ?Order of files written when exitting windows? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr22.001934.14921@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) writes: > >Trying to pin point a hardware problem with my disk, Maxtor >7213AT. Group files get corrupted on a regular basis. >Only happens on this drive, D had only one corrupt file >in over a year and it was under the control of winword on C. >32-bit disk access and smartdrive are off. Since installation >of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for >murder. Are you using Fastopen? If you are, disable it. We had a lot of problems with fastopen corrupting weird things (including the Windows permanent swap file) when we were using it. > >Since the most frequent files corrupted are the *.grp files, >are these the last thing written to when exitting Windows? Indeed they are. Advanced Personal Measure tells me they are accessed just before shell.dll > >Also, are there any pd/shareware utilities available that do >a more thorough job than dos 6, NDD 4.5, etc? DOS 6 and >Win 3.1 compatable. I really like Spinrite and QA Plus Tom paladin@world.std.com " 11037,10,From: un026300@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: Re: How to beat the Pens Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 6 You can't. But good luck trying. Jim 11038,0,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 16 In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: > He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam. > One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the > existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that > Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient > number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue > is his status at the time the crime was committed. Gregg, so would you consider that Rushdie would now be left alone, and he could have a normal life? In other words, does Islam support the notion of forgiving? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. " 11039,9,"From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: (ATAS) N.L. games 8/2-8/5 & standings of all Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqf84$caf Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 237 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu Philadelphia at Chicago: Teams tied for 1st after Sunday Dick Redding battled Chet Brewer in the first game of a dramatic four game series. One Friday, one Saturday, and a good-old Sunday doubleheader. ""What could be better,"" declared Ernie Banks. Perhaps the fact that the Cubs are challenging? ""It's pitching, it's always been pitching that we've lacked,"" announced Ryne Sandberg. ""If we can get by Brewer, then beat Carlton, Alexander, or Bunning - preferrably 2 of the last three - we'll know we might be able to win. ""Lord, I hope we pull it off."" The Phils scored once in the top of the first; Richie Ashburn singled, Pete Rose followed with a hit, sending Ashburn around second. Kiki Cuyler cut the ball off in left center, and threw a bullet in to Ernie Banks, who threw to Ron Santo to get Ashburn at third. Rose went to second on the play. Christobel Torrienti lifted a long fly to center, moving Pete Rose to third. Schmidt was walked - the Cubs were absolutely refusing to let him beat them. Both Torrienti and Schmidt will likely draw 130-150 walks this year. Chuck Klein is starting to hit very well, and he lashed a double into a gap in right-center. ""Cool Papa"" Bell's speed allowed him to cut the ball off and prevent Schmidt from scoring. Nellie Fox was walked, and Bob Boone grounded out to second, ending the threat. ""Teams are starting to realize that you don't have to pitch to Schmidt or Torrienti, and that is lowering their run total. It puts a lot of pressure on Klein and Dick Allen (who platoons with Chuck Klein and occasionally spells Rose at first), and it's a credit to the Phillies that they've been able to sustain their pace. The picthers have slumped at times."" So came the analysis from Frank Chance. The Cubs got that run back when Bell bunted for a hit, Thomas' grounder moved him to second, and - after Sandberg made out - Billy Williams singled home a run. In the sixth, Ron Santo launched a two-run homer to make it 3-1. Dick Redding got in trouble in the eighth, as Schmidt singled and Klein singled him to third. Ed Reulbach entered to face Fox, but Dick Allen popped out of the dugout to hit. Allen doubled to right, but luckily for the Cubs, Williams had moved to left and Andre Dawson had been inserted for defense. He fired a bullet to home plate to keep Klein at third. Lance Parrish, hitting for Boone, was walked, and Bruce Sutter entered. Larry Bowa grounded into a 1-2-3 double play, but Ed Delahanty walked as a pinch-hitter. Desiring a strikeout, since Ashburn was likely to attempt a bunt hit with the quick Trillo pinch-running at third, Chance brought in Lee Smith, who induced a pop-up to the catcher from the speedy centerfielder, ending the inning. The Cubs took the win, 3-2, moving a game behind the Phillies. Steve Carlton was called upon to battle 3-Finger Brown Saturday. To get another righthander in the lineup, Ron Santo moved to first and Bill Madlock played third. Unfortunately, Brown allowed six doubles, and the Cub bullpen was worn down even more, as the Cubs tried to maintain a lead against Lefty. Madlock, batting sixth, had knocked two doubles of his own, driving home four runs. Gabby Hartnett hit two home runs, and Cuyler added another, and the score was 8-6, Cubs after six innings. The Phillie bullpen had more troubles in the bottom of the eighth, as the Cubs grabbed 3 more runs to ice an 11-7 triumph. Sunday's twin bill saw Cool Papa Bell gather seven straight hits at one point, including a rare outside-the-park home run in the second game, off Robin Roberts. Grover Alexander of the Phils took the first contest, 4-2, but the Cubs captured the second one 5-4, with Waddell gaining the win. Bruce Sutter tossed two innings for the save, though he allowed one run in the eighth. The Cardinals stood half a game behind these co-leaders, and would conclude their series with the Expos on Monday. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Montreal at St. Louis(August 3-6): 3-way tie for 1st Dennis Martinez is on a roll, and he continued it versus John Tudor Friday. The Expos have a wide variety of hitters, and - while they aren't among the all-time greats, they are getting the job done. After winning their first first two games, they suddenly found themselves only 2 1/2 games out of first in this wacky season. Martinez triumphed 5-3 on Friday, and WIlliams outdueled Dizzy Dean 3-2 Saturday. However, the Cardinals refused to give up, winning 6-2 on Sunday. The Cards captured Monday's game, too, as Steve Carlton outdueled Steve Rogers 3-2. ""We're really good against ground ball pitchers because of our team speed,"" remarked Lou Brock. ""I don't see why we can't win this division."" The Phillies and Cubs may have some reasons for them. Two-thirds of the way through the season, there is a 3-way tie for first. ------------------------------------------------------------------- New York at Pittsburgh(August 3-6): 3 straight 3-2 wins for Bucs, now 2 back - but in 4th! ""When your team is in a slump like we are, the worst thing is to play in a pitcher's park like this,"" spoke Gil Hodges before the series. Keith Hernandez added that ""their defense takes away quite a few runs per year, and it must be giving them an extra 6-7 wins."" The Pirates have made only 26 errors all season, 6 ahead of the second place Dodgers. Error totals tend to be around 50 for the best defensive All-Time teams. Rube Foster defeated Sid Fernandez 5-2 Friday, and Candelaria outshone Seaver 3-2 Saturday, in a game featuring some outstanding defense. When Nolan Ryan and two relivers 6-hit the Mets in another 3-2 win Sunday, the Pirates could once again look forward to a victory getting them back to the .500 mark. They had been unable to several times in the past month. Bert Blyleven met Dwight Gooden in the afternoon game. Both pitchers possessed fantastic stuff, and the only runs scored through eight innings were on home runs - a solo shot by Rusty Staub of the Mets and a two-run blast by Ralph Kiner for the Pirates. The Mets' Darryl Strawberry singled home a run in the top of the ninth off Jesse Orosco, working his second inning, after Mookie Wilson pinch-ran for Gary Carter at second. With one out and a runner on first, Lee Mazilli was sent in to pinch-hit. The Pirates countered with Kent Tekulve, placing him in the fifth spot in the order and putting Barry Bonds in left field as the ninth place hitter. Tekulve induced a groundout forcing Strawberry at second. He slid hard into Honus Wagner, preventing the Pirates from turning their fifth double play of the afternoon. Tekulve allowed a hit, but Clemente threw Mazilli out at third from near the right field line, ending the inning. Tug McGraw relieved Randy Myers, who entered to pitch the eighth, and got one out before Bonds launched a rocket to deep center, running through the stop sign at third to score an inside-the-park homer to win. The Pirates had scored an improbable 3 straight 3-2 wins, and had moved to within 2 games of first place, with seven weeks to go. ------------------------------------------------------------------ San Francisco at Boswaukta(August 3-5): Another Sunday doubleheader appeared on the schedule, as the Giants managed to close the gap on the other teams thanks to some starting pitching that just wouldn't tire. In fact, reported manager John McGraw, ""once this rough part of the schedule is over, maybe as early as this coming week, we may shift to a 4-man rotation again for a little while."" Juan Marichal continued his hot pitching Friday, beating Lew Burdette and the Braves 4-1. Willie Mays had all four r.b.i.s on 3 hits. Rick Reuschel faced Joe Niekro Saturday in a slugfest. The Braves' park had been a homer haven, but this took the cake, as the Giants won a seesaw affair 16-13. Willie Mays had three homers, Willie McCovey, Eddie Matthews, and Don Baylor had two, and Hank Aaron, Ernie Lombardi, Biz Mackey, and Mel Ott had one each. The Braves had collected 149 home runs going into Sunday's doubleheader, putting them on a pace for 223, which would be 4 short of the National League record. They were still a tad behind the '61 Yankees' pace. They had allowed over 120, though. Vida Blue actually got the win after retiring 2 batters in the fifth. He allowed only a run in the sixth, but faltered in the seventh. Joe McGinnity earned the save. In the doubleheader, the Braves' Hoyt Wilhelm failed to hold a lead in the first game, but Hank Aaron homered off Bill Foster in the eighth as the Braves won, 4-3. The Giants took the second game, however, by a 6-2 score. The homer by Aaron was a magical #150 by the Braves; however, they fell to three game below .500, making a comeback extremely unlikely. ------------------------------------------------------------------- San Diego at Cincinnati(Aug. 3-5): Randy Jones faced Ewell Blackwell in the first of this 3-game series, and the Padres felt rather good. With Don Mattingly straining his back in the last Cleveland game, the trade looked even better. McGriff's batting average was even rising. Of course, the bench was very poor, and Joe Gordon was only adequate in the outfield, but these were minor problems, since the pitching was holding up. Jones pitched a good game Friday, and won 6-3. McGriff launched two home runs. Mel Harder earned a win with the help of Mark Davis and Ray Narleski Saturday; 5-4 was the final score. Tom Candiotti battled Satchel Paige to a 3-3 tie through eight innings before departing. The game was scoreless for 4 more innings until the thirteenth. Paige had departed after 10, and John Franco hurled a scoreless inning. Tom Browning was working his second scoreless inning, when Dave Winfield doubled with one out and Joe Gordon was pitched around. Thurm Munson doubled both runners home, and the Padres gamed a 5-3 win. The three-game sweep had pulled the Giants into a tie with the Reds. Though the Reds denied it, the highly emotional series with the Dodgers may have taken too much out of them. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Brookangeles at Houston(August 3-5): Another series capped off by a weekend doubleheader took place in the wide open plains of the Astrodome. The Astros sent Joe Niekro to the hill in the first game, opposite Don Drysdale. ""Normally,"" Drysdale remarked, ""I would be challenging hitter by being ready to throw at them. I can't afford to with this team, though; we have to get our own runners going; we can't afford to let the Astros beat us."" He then winked and said: ""Well, maybe Davis will get decked once."" The fact that Glenn Davis leads the team in homers with six (!) is primarily why he would be decked, but it should be understood that his current pace would give him nine for the season. The hitting on this team is a little better, but the power is all doubles and triples. Still, Carl Furillo is the main reason no Astro home runs were hit over the weekend, as he threw two runners out trying for inside-the-park homers. For those unaware of the nastness of the Astros' park, they have a 23-foot high gray wall all around the outfield; balls must be hit into the seats to be home runs. The foul poles are 355 feet from home plate, but the alleys are 400 feet away, with center field at 420 feet. ""It's as if some three-year-old threw a tantrum and told his playmates: 'If I can't hit home runs, nobody will hit home runs',"" remarked Roy Campanella. The Dodgers stole five bases Friday, but the Astros decided to revitalize the Baltimore chopping that had failed 6 weeks before; for tonight, anyway, Davis, Jim Wynn, and Jose Cruz did not have to mess with their swings, according to the manager. After Poles and Willie Wells reached base via the Baltimore chop, Drysdale decked Jose Cruz with a pitch. He responded with a two-run double, but Wynn - playing first for Davis - popped up, and the Astros didn't score any more in that inning. They did score 3 in the fourth to erase a 3-2 deficit, and the Astros wound up winning 6-4. They threatened to do even better the next game, as Tommy John would be their opponent. Walt Alston met privately with the starters at 6 A.M. before the game. ""I think I know how we can beat the Baltimore Chop,"" he explained. ""How can we do that,"" Pee Wee Reese wondered. ""They're going to be beating the ball down, so we've got to be ready to throw on the run. Steve will start at first to dig balls out of the dirt, but I want all of you to practice your barehanded picks and throws. We'll go with a shallow infield almost the whole time."" The plan almost worked. Mike Scott allowed only two runs through eight innings, but the Astros got three; two of them scored when Bill Doran pushed a bunt into the outfield in the fourth with runners on second and third. 3-2 Astros was the final, with Dave Smith earning another save. The Dodgers scored a victory in the first game of the twin bill Sunday, as Nolan Ryan walked five, three of whom scored in a 4-1 Dodger win. Fernando Valenzuela lost the second game 4-2 to Don Sutton, however, as the Dodgers' thirteen stolen bases in the series proved to not be enough. ""We're mostly a power team,"" remarked Ron Cey. ""Jackie and, when he plays, Maury Wills are our only real speed demons, though a couple other plays can do it now and then. We're sunk in a place like the Astrodome. I guess that's why they're so successful there."" Indeed, it seems that basestealing teams give them the most trouble in the dome. The 'Stros swiped 12 bases in 16 attempts, giving them 230 on the season. Standings after these weekend series: A.L.East Team W L GB New York 68 42 -- Cleveland 65 46 3.5 Detroit 64 46 4 Boston 64 47 4.5 Baltimore 59 52 9.5 Toronto 43 69 25.5 Washington 39 73 28 A.L.West Oaksaselphia 63 48 -- Minnesota 61 48 1 Chicago 59 53 4.5 Kansas City 57 54 6.5 California 57 56 8 Milwaukee 45 66 17 Seattle 32 78 31.5 N.L.East Chicago 57 53 -- Philadelphia 58 54 -- St. Louis 58 54 -- Pittsburgh 56 56 2 Montreal 53 56 3.5 New York 48 64 10 N.L.West Brookangeles 66 46 -- Cincinnati 66 47 0.5 San Francisco 65 46 0.5 Boswaukta 54 56 11 Houston 50 61 17.5 San Diego 36 75 29.5 -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: ""Mommys and Daddys & other Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"" " 11040,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings will win Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 42 In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > >>Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, >>Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous >>GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... >>that would hardly rank him as the best GM. > >There are many teams in the NHL who have taken a liking to Russian players. >The ""whole Russian strategy"" is not specific to Detroit or to Devellano, >who was GM before Murray. What the previous GM also did was to trade >away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams, most >notably (in my memory) Murray Craven, who had a few very good years with >Philly after leaving here. Also, it's not the volume of trades that will >necessarily improve a team, but the quality of them. Trading Adam Oates >for Bernie Federko was just plain stupid, even if Federko used to be a >great player at one time. Most of Murray's trades have worked significantly >to the Wings' advantage, with those that didn't being soured mainly by >injury to the players involved (such as Troy Crowder, who suffered back >problems from which he never really recovered). > Devallano went earlier and more extensively to the Russian strategy than anyone else...and was the first GM to ""waste"" high draft choices on young Russians...Devallano would still be GM but he succombed to Demers pleading to make the Oates-Federko et al trade...which is the deal that sealed his fate. Murray has made some decent trades...no doubt...but these are more due to the stupidity or cheapness of other teams than brilliance on his part...Washington was too cheap to pay Ciccarelli so they essentially gave him away...and Carson was really a big anchor to the team, and he was able to sucker a rookie GM to give him Paul Coffey for deadweight. If Detroit still fails this year because he was one defenseman short... then he will have wasted an opportunity because Manson was available, and he was unable to pull the trigger. It is his judgement that he has enough with what he's got...Yzerman doesn't have that many more years in his prime. Gerald " 11041,15,"From: vbv@nomad.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 90 In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: >> >> Hold it. I said that all of scripture is true. However, discerning >> exactly what Jesus, Paul and company were trying to say is not always so >> easy. I don't believe that Paul was trying to say that all women should >> behave that way. Rather, he was trying to say that under the circumstances >> at the time, the women he was speaking to would best avoid volubility and >> cover their heads. This has to do with maintaining a proper witness toward >> others. Remember that any number of relativistic statements can be derived >> from absolutes. For instance, it is absolutely right for Christians to >> strive for peace. However, this does not rule out trying to maintain world >> peace by resorting to violence on occasion. (Yes, my opinion.) > >I agree that there is truth in scripture. There are principles to be >learned from it. Claiming that that truth is absolute, though, seems >to imply a literal reading of the Bible. If it were absolute truth >(constant across time, culture, etc.) then no interpretation would be >necessary. I strongly disagree that absolute truth would not require interpretation. That's because truth may be absolute, but it may not be obvious. Like so many things, the truth is always subject to misinterpretation. I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I deign from commenting much further. >> Sure. The Bible preaches absolute truths. However, exactly what those >> truths are is sometimes a matter of confusion. As I said, the Bible does >> preach absolute truths. Sometimes those fundamental principles are crystal >> clear (at least to evangelicals). > >This is where the arrogance comes in to play. Since these principles >are crystal clear to evangelicals, maybe the rest of us should just take >their word for it? Maybe it isn't at all crystal clear to *me* that >their fundamental principles are either fundamental *or* principles. Now hold it. I never said that Christians cannot be arrogant. Indeed, as many other Christians on SRC have stressed before, this is a trap that Christians must always be wary about. However, this does not mean that if you believe in the absolutes established by the Bible, you are necessarily being arrogant. A Christian can believe that the Word of God is absolute, but he or she should not expect this to be immediately evident to everyone. >So, I think that your position is: >The Bible is absolute truth, but as we are prone to error in our >interpretation, we cannot reliably determine if we have figured out >what that truth is. >Did I get that right? Not quite. You say that according to my stance, we cannot *reliably* determine what is true. That is not what I said. I say that as fallible human beings, we cannot discern the truth with 100% certainty. The distinction is subtle yet important. When a scientist performs an experiment, he can claim that his results are reliable, without claiming that absolutely no mistake whatsoever could have been made. In other words, he can admit that he could be mistaken, without sacrificing his convictions. Nobody can establish what absolute truth is with 100% certainty. Throughout the centuries, philosophers have argued about what we can know with complete certainty and what we cannot. Descartes made a step in the right direction when he uttered, ""Cogito, ergo sum,"" yet we have not advanced much beyond that. Do you believe that other people aside from you exist? Do you believe that the computer terminal you are using exists? If so, can you be absolutely certain about that? Are you sure it is not some grand illusion? Of course, you have no such assurance. This does not mean, however, that for all practical purposes, you can be certain that they exist. So it is with Christianity. The most mature Christians I know have deep convictions about absolute morality, yet they acknowledge that there is a non-zero probability that they are wrong. This does not, however, mean that they should (or do) abandon these absolutes. >What's the point of spending all this time claiming and defending >absolute truth, when we can never know what those truths are, and we >can never (or at least shouldn't) act upon them? What practical >difference can this make? As I said, we can never be absolutely certain that we are correct. This does not mean that we cannot be certain enough, in light of the evidence, to render all doubts unreasonable. -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. " 11042,7,"From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be. Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do with people of all ages. " 11043,1,"From: newmme@helios.tn.cornell.edu (Mark E. J. Newman) Subject: HELP: advice on what video system to buy Keywords: video, RS6000 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 22 If this question is covered elsewhere, I apologize, but I need information fast. My department has been given a large sum of money to install a video system on our network of IBM RS6000 workstations. This is not an area in which I have any expertise, so I wonder if anyone out there can offer advice. We would like a system, based either on VHS or 8mm video which will allow one write video, frame by frame on tape for play-back in real time. It's for visualization of physics problems. Can anyone tell me what hardware is available which would work for our system? Some support software is obviously needed too, but nothing particularly sophisticated, since the software we actually use for the visualization is all already written. Please email with replies, as I don't read this group. Many thanks for your help. Dr. M. E. J. Newman. Department of Physics, Cornell University. newmme@helios.tn.cornell.edu " 11044,11,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 36 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? A good vocoder like ours will give you 8000 bits per second locked at full rate (it's a variable rate voice activity vocoder). If you want less quality, cut that to 4000 bps (half rate). At full rate variable you could put two full-duplex conversations on a V.32bis modem. This requires a DSP or ASICs, though. An RS-6000 has a CPU that could probably do it in real-time, because it has the add-and-multiply instruction and a few other DSP things. If you want to do speech in real-time you need about 4000 samples a second (for not very good voice) with your 8 bit samples (ISDN is 8000 8-bit samples a second), which is 32 kbps. You could do a fast 2:1 compression on that to get it down to 16 kbps, which is just about V.32bis. The quality at this point is very bleah, but it should work. Now add in the time for your encryption method. You're going to need sampling hardware, which is no problem on a new Mac, an Amiga. Or a PC with a SoundBlaster card (just because they're so popular and cheap - you could also build a simple ADC). The problem with the SoundBlaster is that it doesn't seem to be full duplex - you can't sample and play backq at the same time, making a two-way conversation a bit tough. The special hardware or a more capable sound card may be required. The only thing that worries me is that 2:1 compression - the SoundBlaster can do it automatically in hardware, but other than that I don't have a good feel for how processor intensive it is, so I can't estimate how fast a PC you'd need. -- Not all men who drink are poets. Some of us drink because we are not poets. " 11045,0,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 33 In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: > > >> Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the >> existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe >> because of their pride"" mistake. > >How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it >be wrong >to fall into the trap that you mentioned? > If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes. As for the trap, you are not in a position to tell me that I don't believe in god because I do not wish to. Unless you can know my motivations better than I do myself, you should believe me when I say that I earnestly searched for god for years and never found him. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ " 11046,10,"From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) Subject: Hey, What about teh Cannucks? Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Lines: 13 Hi all, Due to living in the Bay Area, I as unable to see Vancouver's victory over the Jets last night. I know the score, but that rarely describes the game. Could someone please post a brief sonapsis (sp?) of waht happened. How well did each team play? Were the cannucks deserving of the victory? Also, could some kind soul please email me the end of season, individual player stats? Greg -- Vancouver for the cup (in a virtual reality)-- " 11047,19,"From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: EIT Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: ># You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define >#what ""objective values"" are. > >Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people >of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that >sound like a good deal? Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much we wanted the $1, wouldn't it? -Ekr -- Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com Would you buy used code from this man? " 11048,8,"From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A) Subject: Re: DoD Oficial (tm) Newbie Bike of Choice Article-I.D.: ecf.C51nqM.5qq Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 20 In article <1pplsc$38q@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >I propose that the Official DoD Newbie Bike of Choice (tm) be the ZX-11 D. =8^/ Nothing like giving newbies a land rocket to practice on. >It offers >enough power so that a novice rider can safely accelerate out of harms way >in situations where a more experienced rider would use complex avoidance >manouvers. Yup. Accelerate right into the back of an 18-wheel truck. Um. How's the easiest way to get newbies of the road? :) Regards, Ted. --- University of Toronto Computer Engineering PowerUsersGroupChairman '89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend. DoD#:886699 " 11049,15,"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) Subject: intolerance - eternal life - etc Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 89 Hi Xian Netters, God bless you CONTENTS 1. intro 2. love your neighbor 3. reaction to posts a. purpose b. eternal life I've been reading this news group religiously =) for about a month. Sometimes It really gives me what I need, spiritually. At other times I get a little IRATE. There are all kinds of people in every group and I take offense at intolerance. It's awfully hard to tolerate such people. =) ( OOPS! I've gone over my smiley quota already and it's only the second paragraph =(. IMHO they should follow the commandment to love thy neighbor and leave the judging up to GOD. SPECIFICALLY: one's sexual orientation is part of one's self love the sinner hate the sin DOES NOT APPLY Pay attention fundaligionists. Love your neighbor wether you like it or not. I'd be happy to get flamed endlessly and loose scripture quotation contests galore to defend this point. I beleive this is correct. BTW Love the sinner hate the sin is a slippery slope, with hatred at the bottom. INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST I won't even try to tell you where the deletions came out > means Jayne >> means Dan Johnson >>> means Eric In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: >No free gifts of meaning. (I never quite understood how any >God can just ""give"" your life meaning, actually. If he >says you exists to do or be X, that gives you a purpose >if you care to accept it, but is that the same thing? But >I digress...) I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can manufacture for ourselves. Little in the cosmic sense. Even the greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust. Mankind itself will one day perish. Without some interconnectedness that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the end. Most people are able to live with that, and for them little purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others) suffice. I suppose they never think about the cosmic scale, or are at least able to put it out of their minds. To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion. That the true reality underneath the the physical is spirit. That this world is a school of sorts, where we learn and grow, and our souls mature. That gives a purpose to my little purposes, and takes some of the pressure off. It's not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms if you're really just here to learn. It's more important to progress, grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your love, especially when it's dificult to do so. Honest effort is rewarded by God, he knows our limitations. >> I will live forever with God. > >Ah, now here we begin to diverge. I will not live forever >with anyone. > >(I don't think you will either, but you are welcome to your >opinion on the matter.) Interesting theological question. I have a feeling that most common perception of eternal life is WAY off base. If I were to be imprisoned in the limited ego/mind I am in now I doubt I would choose imortality. It would get awfully boring. TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION 1. What is the nature of eternal life? 2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it? Possible answer for #2: The best we can do is Metaphor/Analogy Question 2A What is the best metaphor? " 11050,10,From: filipows@spk.hp.com (Dennis Filipowski) Subject: ? Octopus Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 4 During the Detroit game Mon night there were octopus thrown on the ice what is the meaning or symbolism here? They used to throw fish on the ice here in Spokane afew years ago. I never knew where this came from. 11051,4,"From: firenza@vlsi2.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) Subject: Performa 450 bundle-- here's what's in it. Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA Lines: 42 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: vlsi2.wpi.edu I went to Staples in Framingham, MA, today, and grabbed the info-sheet on the 450 bundle. For a mere $1897.00, you get: -25 megahertz 68030 microprocessor -4M of RAM -120M hard disk -1.4M floppy disk drive -built in support for 256 colors, expandable to 32,000 colors -1 expansion slot -keyboard and mouse -14"" display -0.29 mm dot pitch for extra-sharp text and graphics -640 x 480 pixels -microphone and speaker -Macintosh System 7 software for Performa computers version 7.1P -At Ease, Macintosh PC Exchange, and Quicktime software -Global Village Teleport fax/modem , send fax only _Service and support -1 year limited warranty -1 year of in-home service -toll free help line support -Pre-installed software: -WordPerfect Works -Best of ClickArt Collection -Touchbase -Datebook -Bestbooks -The Amereican Heritage Dictionary -Correct Grammar -Apple Special Edition of American Online with free trial membership -CheckFree electronic bill-payment software -Spectre Challenger -Scrabble Editor's Note: The spec sheet I have list's the microprocessor as a ""38030"", but I corrected that. Didn't want to confuse anybody... Tim " 11052,8,"From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhkl$g48 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) says: > >When I broke my right leg in two places (not a motorcycle accident -- a >_car_ accident; who woulda thunk it?) I put my crutches on Gretchen's rear >rack. I'm getting the metal rod pulled out on Friday and going back on >the crutches for six weeks. I think crutches on the handlebars sound more >aesthetically pleasing. How did you attach them? When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo. -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. " 11053,7,"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: station wagons (was Open letter to NISSAN Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 30 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu In article <1993Apr16.052013.23517@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes: >>but you'll >>never catch me dead in a minivan! >even a minivan based on viper running gear? hmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another though.. you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either, 1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one. just my taste, no rational reasons for it. >-teddy >p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year. CAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual. Rave review except for Servotronic.. Audi is trying to recoup the development costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well, they are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick, eh? yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the upcoming bimmer 530/540i would it? maybe they can use a 3.6 liter version to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the luxo-garbage. let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires to go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump bhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes 500E style subtlety. blah blah blah.... eliot " 11054,9,"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division Lines: 75 From another not-so-distressed-but-still-wondering-about-a-few-things Cardinal fan: In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: >Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. > He's not the greatest - this is true. > >For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, > I saw it. > >With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed >hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. > Lankford was hurt, although the announcer said he told Torre he could pinch hit if they needed him to. > >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell >is he thinking. > I wondered the same thing. But giving Joe the benefit of the doubt, I'd say he was thinking that Lankford is hurt enough that he didn't trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his speed on the bases so pinch run him. Alicea I was completely confused about. Maybe he had a good record hitting against that particular pitcher? I don't know. Anybody got an idea? > >Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented >how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a >regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said >he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, >what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every >team in the league. > Well, so far I haven't seen much to say Whiten shouldn't be playing but it is too bad that Gilkey is the odd man out when they play Jordan ahead of him. That I don't quite understand. > >Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, >The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line >and waving lankford home, > Yup, I looked for this on the replay too. If I'm Joe Torre, I'm going to have a talk with Bucky after the game on that one. He's got Lankford at third with Todd Zeile I believe - a hot hitter - coming up - there's no reason to risk giving Lankford the go sign in that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands. It's his job to watch the play develop - he should have known Larkin was there to back up a bad throw. That seemed inexcusable in my book. BTW, I saw Dent do the same thing last year with Zeile rounding third and going into a sure out at home in a critical situation. On the replay, there's Dent waving him around. It looks like this might be a serious problem. The Card's weren't good base runners at all last year and I wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching. > >I can't take this anymore > Well, I'm still hanging in there. GO REDBIRDS!! WOOF, WOOF!!! >brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. >-- > >Brian Landmann >Georgia Institute of Technology >Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu Dick Detweiler rdetweil@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com " 11055,14,"From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Washington Post Article on US-Russian Space Cooperation Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 23 Reported yesterday in the Washington Post (Kathy Sawyer, writer): The article plays down the Russian role in US space. Gibbons (science advisor to Clinton) sent Goldin a letter indicating NASA should not limit redesign options to those compatible with Mir orbit. The White House thinks expectations for Russian cooperation have been raised too high. The article reports that some think the spending and schedule limits for space station are so stringent that the redesign is nearly impossible. That's why some think Goldin has begun looking at Russian hardware. Goldin states NASA will present all options to the administration which will then have decision making power. Goldin and the White House have totally ruled out using Energia to boost the station. -- Chuck Divine " 11056,5,"From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr26.123918.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) writes: > I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The > hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit > static color visual. I would really like to have the server just > present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be > acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: > > 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. > 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. > 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the > translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. We tried to ship an X server once that only supported a 24bit TrueColor visual. The main problems we encountered were: 1) Clients written with logic like the following: if (DefaultDepth() != 1) /* Assume default depth is 8bit */ These clients need an 8bit deep visual in the root window to run correctly. 2) Other clients didn't even bother to do that much, and just outright assumed they had a *dynamic* visual class, with a dynamic colormap. XStoreColors doesn't work on cmaps associated with Static or TrueColor visual classes, but many clients don't bother to check, they just start throwing XStoreColor calls at you. Though both are clearly client error, this is the case with so many clients that it's easier for you to expose 8bit PseudoColor as a default root window visual, than it ever would be for all these client writers to change their clients to do the right thing. -- -paul pmartz@dsd.es.com Evans & Sutherland " 11057,3,"From: bagels@gotham.East.Sun.COM (Alex Beigelman - NYC SE) Subject: NCR 1204 external floppy drive Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: bagels@gotham.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: lox.east.sun.com Keywords: NCR 1204 external floppy disk-drive Hi, I just inherited an NCR 1204 external floppy. This thing has every port known to man on the back. The question is: Does anyone know how to connect this thing to a PC. What hardware is needed? Software? TIA, Alex P.S. please respond directly. I am not on this alias. " 11058,8,"From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Organization: The San Jose, California, Home for Perverted Hackers Lines: 10 infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >Since the occurance, I've paid many >dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, >and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous >assholes like yourself that think your SO above the >rest of the world because you've never had your >own little DD suaree. ""The devil made me do it!"" " 11059,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Leaf slump over Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 39 On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham Hudson): >> will still have the Jennings Trophy at the end of the year. Potvin is very >> good, and I do believe that he will be a star, but I want to see him >> perform in the playoffs under pressure. >You don't think he is performing ""under pressure"" now? The major >differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play- >ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You >play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this >what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you >mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of >this drivel, simply half-baked? This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who would like to check. He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased] >""Playoff hockey"" is just an expression used by announcers to convince >simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better >product than a regular-season game. *NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> (Roger Maynard) writes: >With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters >what playoff hockey is all about. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient phrase to use in certain circumstances only? You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later it catches up with you.... " 11060,5,"From: gowen@jade.tufts.edu (G. Lee Owen) Subject: Re: WANTED: Info on Dedicated X Server Kernel for Sun3/100 Series In-Reply-To: mbell@techbook.techbook.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 22:57:39 -0700 Lines: 30 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Distribution: na > If anyone has any information about the existence or location of a > dedicated X server kernel for the Sun3, please send email. I am > trying to put some neglected Sun3s to good use but they don't have > enough memory for SunOS 4.1.1. Thanks in advance for any help. There is a free program called 'xkernel' which does just that. It is by Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu). It takes a sun 3 and boots a limited kernel which allows you to run X. We converted 4 machines over this semester and the speedup is enormously appreciable -- I find them faster than an NCD 15inch black&white XTerminal that we are playing with, and a bigger screen to boot! As a matter of fact, the department just bought some old sun3s at an auction to convert! } Xkernel is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.ctr.columbia.edu } [128.59.64.40] in /Xkernel/Xkernel.shar (/Xkernel is a symlink to the } latest version of Xkernel) Note that the compiled version which is available is for the sun 3/50, but compiling to work for a sun 3/1xx should be quite easy. I am not connected with xkernel except as a satisfied installer and user 8). I may be able to answer questions; feel free to email me. Greg Owen { gowen@forte.cs.tufts.edu, gowen@jade.tufts.edu } Systems Programmer and TA, Tufts University Computer Science Dept. 230- All transfers are disclaimed by my host name and boss's address. 230- If you don't like this policy, disconnect now! " 11061,14,"From: byab314@chpc.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Center for Space Research, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr23.140649.1@rhea.arc.ab.ca> thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca writes: >In article , enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: > >> What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that >> it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). > >No need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day >so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution. Thanks for these surreal moments.... Srinivas -- Srinivas Bettadpur Internet : byab314@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8520, Austin, Tx. 78713-8520, U.S.A. Tel. (512) 471 4332 BITNET : byab314@uthermes " 11062,13,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Keywords: seizures epilepsy Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com> dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes: > >If anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as I mentioned up above, >any information relating to this disorder I would sure appreciate hearing >from you. I am not trying to play doctor here, but only trying to gather >information about it. As I know now, these particular types of disorders >are still not really well understood by the medical community, and so I'm >going to see now....if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle >insight. Thanks. There is no database for infantile spasms, nor a newsgroup, that I know of. The medical library will be the best source of information for you. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 11063,7,"From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time In-Reply-To: bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 20:35:23 GMT Organization: /u/jwg/.organization Lines: 16 In article , bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) gives forth: >I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been >mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the >left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer >button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure >out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what? Had an '83 Alliance for a long time. It was a comfortable but sluggish car. I got very used to the horn on the stalk, after a couple months worth of getting used to it. After I bought my next car, a Chevy, it took me for-EVER to get used to the horn on the steering wheel again! jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com Up the Irons! " 11064,16,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <93110.11265034AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > As a minor point of interest, earlier news reports claim to have > been quoting the Governor of Texas when Her Holiness referred to > the Dividians as _Mormons_ and called for their expulsion > from TX. Any Texans have details? The Davidians are a 60-year-old splinter from the Seventh Day Adventists, if that's the information you were looking for. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... " 11065,5,"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 5/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Article-I.D.: visual.C52Eqq.99A Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Lines: 890 Archive-name: x-faq/part5 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 119) I'm writing a widget and can't use a float as a resource value. Float resources are not portable; the size of the value may be larger than the size of an XtPointer. Try using a pointer to a float instead; the Xaw Scrollbar float resources are handled in this way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 120) Is this a memory leak in the X11R4 XtDestroyWidget()?! Yes. This is the ""unofficial"" fix-19 for the X11R4 Destroy.c: *** Destroy.c.1.37 Thu Jul 11 15:41:25 1991 --- lib/Xt/Destroy.c Thu Jul 11 15:42:23 1991 *************** *** 1,4 **** --- 1,5 ---- /* $XConsortium: Destroy.c,v 1.37 90/09/28 10:21:32 swick Exp $ */ + /* Plus unofficial patches in revisions 1.40 and 1.41 */ /*********************************************************** Copyright 1987, 1988 by Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Massachusetts, *************** *** 221,239 **** */ int i = 0; ! DestroyRec* dr = app->destroy_list; while (i < app->destroy_count) { if (dr->dispatch_level >= dispatch_level) { Widget w = dr->widget; if (--app->destroy_count) bcopy( (char*)(dr+1), (char*)dr, ! app->destroy_count*sizeof(DestroyRec) ); XtPhase2Destroy(w); } else { i++; - dr++; } } } --- 222,245 ---- */ int i = 0; ! DestroyRec* dr; while (i < app->destroy_count) { + + /* XtPhase2Destroy can result in calls to XtDestroyWidget, + * and these could cause app->destroy_list to be reallocated. + */ + + dr = app->destroy_list + i; if (dr->dispatch_level >= dispatch_level) { Widget w = dr->widget; if (--app->destroy_count) bcopy( (char*)(dr+1), (char*)dr, ! (app->destroy_count - i) * sizeof(DestroyRec) ); XtPhase2Destroy(w); } else { i++; } } } [from Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.EDU] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 121) Are callbacks guaranteed to be called in the order registered? Although some books demonstrate that the current implementation of Xt happens to call callback procedures in the order in which they are registered, the specification does not guarantee such a sequence, and supplemental authoritative documents (i.e. the Asente/Swick volume) do say that the order is undefined. Because the callback list can be manipulated by both the widget and the application, Xt cannot guarantee the order of execution. In general, the callback procedures should be thought of as operating independently of one another and should not depend on side-effects of other callbacks operating; if a seqence is needed, then the single callback to be registered can explicitly call other functions necessary. [4/92; thanks to converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 122) Why doesn't XtDestroyWidget() actually destroy the widget? XtDestroyWidget() operates in two passes, in order to avoid leaving dangling data structures; the function-call marks the widget, which is not actually destroyed until your program returns to its event-loop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 123) How do I query the user synchronously using Xt? It is possible to have code which looks like this trivial callback, which has a clear flow of control. The calls to AskUser() block until answer is set to one of the valid values. If it is not a ""yes"" answer, the code drops out of the callback and back to an event-processing loop: void quit(Widget w, XtPointer client, XtPointer call) { int answer; answer = AskUser(w, ""Really Quit?""); if (RET_YES == answer) { answer = AskUser(w, ""Are You Really Positive?""); if (RET_YES == answer) exit(0); } } A more realistic example might ask whether to create a file or whether to overwrite it. This is accomplished by entering a second event-processing loop and waiting until the user answers the question; the answer is returned to the calling function. That function AskUser() looks something like this, where the Motif can be replaced with widget-set-specific code to create some sort of dialog-box displaying the question string and buttons for ""OK"", ""Cancel"" and ""Help"" or equivalents: int AskUser(w, string) Widget w; char *string; { int answer=RET_NONE; /* some not-used marker */ Widget dialog; /* could cache&carry, but ...*/ Arg args[3]; int n = 0; XtAppContext context; n=0; XtSetArg(args[n], XmNmessageString, XmStringCreateLtoR(string, XmSTRING_DEFAULT_CHARSET)); n++; XtSetArg(args[n], XmNdialogStyle, XmDIALOG_APPLICATION_MODAL); n++; dialog = XmCreateQuestionDialog(XtParent(w), string, args, n); XtAddCallback(dialog, XmNokCallback, response, &answer); XtAddCallback(dialog, XmNcancelCallback, response, &answer); XtAddCallback(dialog, XmNhelpCallback, response, &answer); XtManageChild(dialog); context = XtWidgetToApplicationContext (w); while (answer == RET_NONE || XtAppPending(context)) { XtAppProcessEvent (context, XtIMAll); } XtDestroyWidget(dialog); /* blow away the dialog box and shell */ return answer; } The dialog supports three buttons, which are set to call the same function when tickled by the user. The variable answer is set when the user finally selects one of those choices: void response(w, client, call) Widget w; XtPointer client; XtPointer call; { int *answer = (int *) client; XmAnyCallbackStruct *reason = (XmAnyCallbackStruct *) call; switch (reason->reason) { case XmCR_OK: *answer = RET_YES; /* some #define value */ break; case XmCR_CANCEL: *answer = RET_NO; break; case XmCR_HELP: *answer = RET_HELP; break; default: return; } } and the code unwraps back to the point at which an answer was needed and continues from there. [Thanks to Dan Heller (argv@sun.com); further code is in Dan's R3/contrib WidgetWrap library. 2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 124) How do I determine the name of an existing widget? I have a widget ID and need to know what the name of that widget is. Users of R4 and later are best off using the XtName() function, which will work on both widgets and non-widget objects. If you are still using R3, you can use this simple bit of code to do what you want. Note that it depends on the widget's internal data structures and is not necessarily portable to future versions of Xt, including R4. #include #include String XtName (widget) Widget widget; /* WILL work with non-widget objects */ { return XrmNameToString(widget->core.xrm_name); } [7/90; modified with suggestion by Larry Rogers (larry@boris.webo.dg.com) 9/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 125) Why do I get a BadDrawable error drawing to XtWindow(widget)? I'm doing this in order to get a window into which I can do Xlib graphics within my Xt-based program: > canvas = XtCreateManagedWidget ( ...,widgetClass,...) /* drawing area */ > ... > window = XtWindow(canvas); /* get the window associated with the widget */ > ... > XDrawLine (...,window,...); /* produces error */ The window associated with the widget is created as a part of the realization of the widget. Using a window id of NULL (""no window"") could create the error that you describe. It is necessary to call XtRealizeWidget() before attempting to use the window associated with a widget. Note that the window will be created after the XtRealizeWidget() call, but that the server may not have actually mapped it yet, so you should also wait for an Expose event on the window before drawing into it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 126) Why do I get a BadMatch error when calling XGetImage? The BadMatch error can occur if the specified rectangle goes off the edge of the screen. If you don't want to catch the error and deal with it, you can take the following steps to avoid the error: 1) Make a pixmap the same size as the rectangle you want to capture. 2) Clear the pixmap to background using XFillRectangle. 3) Use XCopyArea to copy the window to the pixmap. 4) If you get a NoExpose event, the copy was clean. Use XGetImage to grab the image from the pixmap. 5) If you get one or more GraphicsExpose events, the copy wasn't clean, and the x/y/width/height members of the GraphicsExpose event structures tell you the parts of the pixmap which aren't good. 6) Get rid of the pixmap; it probably takes a lot of memory. [10/92; thanks to Oliver Jones (oj@pictel.com)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 127) How can my application tell if it is being run under X? A number of programs offer X modes but otherwise run in a straight character-only mode. The easiest way for an application to determine that it is running on an X display is to attempt to open a connection to the X server: display = XOpenDisplay(display_name); if (display) { do X stuff } else { do curses or something else } where display_name is either the string specified on the command-line following -display, by convention, or otherwise is (char*)NULL [in which case XOpenDisplay uses the value of $DISPLAY, if set]. This is superior to simply checking for the existence a -display command-line argument or checking for $DISPLAY set in the environment, neither of which is adequate. [5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 128) How do I make a ""busy cursor"" while my application is computing? Is it necessary to call XDefineCursor() for every window in my application? The easiest thing to do is to create a single InputOnly window that is as large as the largest possible screen; make it a child of your toplevel window and it will be clipped to that window, so it won't affect any other application. (It needs to be as big as the largest possible screen in case the user enlarges the window while it is busy or moves elsewhere within a virtual desktop.) Substitute ""toplevel"" with your top-most widget here (similar code should work for Xlib-only applications; just use your top Window): unsigned long valuemask; XSetWindowAttributes attributes; /* Ignore device events while the busy cursor is displayed. */ valuemask = CWDontPropagate | CWCursor; attributes.do_not_propagate_mask = (KeyPressMask | KeyReleaseMask | ButtonPressMask | ButtonReleaseMask | PointerMotionMask); attributes.cursor = XCreateFontCursor(XtDisplay(toplevel), XC_watch); /* The window will be as big as the display screen, and clipped by its own parent window, so we never have to worry about resizing */ XCreateWindow(XtDisplay(toplevel), XtWindow(toplevel), 0, 0, 65535, 65535, (unsigned int) 0, 0, InputOnly, CopyFromParent, valuemask, &attributes); where the maximum size above could be replaced by the real size of the screen, particularly to avoid servers which have problems with windows larger than 32767. When you want to use this busy cursor, map and raise this window; to go back to normal, unmap it. This will automatically keep you from getting extra mouse events; depending on precisely how the window manager works, it may or may not have a similar effect on keystrokes as well. In addition, note also that most of the Xaw widgets support an XtNcursor resource which can be temporarily reset, should you merely wish to change the cursor without blocking pointer events. [thanks to Andrew Wason (aw@cellar.bae.bellcore.com), Dan Heller (argv@sun.com), and mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu; 11/90,5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 129) How do I fork without hanging my parent X program? An X-based application which spawns off other Unix processes which continue to run after it is closed typically does not vanish until all of its children are terminated; the children inherit from the parent the open X connection to the display. What you need to do is fork; then, immediately, in the child process, close (ConnectionNumber(XtDisplay(widget))); to close the file-descriptor in the display information. After this do your exec. You will then be able to exit the parent. Alternatively, before exec'ing make this call, which causes the file descriptor to be closed on exec. (void) fcntl(ConnectionNumber(XDisplay), F_SETFD, 1); [Thanks to Janet Anstett (anstettj@tramp.Colorado.EDU), Gordon Freedman (gjf00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com); 2/91. Greg Holmberg (holmberg@frame.com), 3/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 130) Can I make Xt or Xlib calls from a signal handler? No. Xlib and Xt have no mutual exclusion for protecting critical sections. If your signal handler makes such a call at the wrong time (which might be while the function you are calling is already executing), it can leave the library in an inconsistent state. Note that the ANSI C standard points out that behavior of a signal handler is undefined if the signal handler calls any function other than signal() itself, so this is not a problem specific to Xlib and Xt; the POSIX specification mentions other functions which may be called safely but it may not be assumed that these functions are called by Xlib or Xt functions. You can work around the problem by setting a flag in the interrupt handler and later checking it with a work procedure or a timer event which has previously been added. Note: the article in The X Journal 1:4 and the example in O'Reilly Volume 6 are in error. [Thanks to Pete Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) and Donna Converse (converse@expo.lcs.mit.EDU), 5/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 131) What are these ""Xlib sequence lost"" errors? You may see these errors if you issue Xlib requests from an Xlib error handler, or, more likely, if you make calls which generate X requests to Xt or Xlib from a signal handler, which you shouldn't be doing in any case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 132) How can my Xt program handle socket, pipe, or file input? It's very common to need to write an Xt program that can accept input both from a user via the X connection and from some other file descriptor, but which operates efficiently and without blocking on either the X connection or the other file descriptor. A solution is use XtAppAddInput(). After you open your file descriptor, use XtAppAddInput() to register an input handler. The input handler will be called every time there is something on the file descriptor requiring your program's attention. Write the input handler like you would any other Xt callback, so it does its work quickly and returns. It is important to use only non-blocking I/O system calls in your input handlers. Most input handlers read the file descriptor, although you can have an input handler write or handle exception conditions if you wish. Be careful when you register an input handler to read from a disk file. You will find that the function is called even when there isn't input pending. XtAppAddInput() is actually working as it is supposed to. The input handler is called whenever the file descriptor is READY to be read, not only when there is new data to be read. A disk file (unlike a pipe or socket) is almost always ready to be read, however, if only because you can spin back to the beginning and read data you've read before. The result is that your function will almost always be called every time around XtAppMainLoop(). There is a way to get the type of interaction you are expecting; add this line to the beginning of your function to test whether there is new data: if (ioctl(fd, FIONREAD, &n) == -1 || n == 0) return; But, because this is called frequently, your application is effectively in a busy-wait; you may be better off not using XtAppAddInput() and instead setting a timer and in the timer procedure checking the file for input. [courtesy Dan Heller (argv@ora.com), 8/90; mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu 5/91; Ollie Jones (oj@pictel.com) 6/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 133) How do I simulate a button press/release event for a widget? You can do this using XSendEvent(); it's likely that you're not setting the window field in the event, which Xt needs in order to match to the widget which should receive the event. If you're sending events to your own application, then you can use XtDispatchEvent() instead. This is more efficient than XSendEvent() in that you avoid a round-trip to the server. Depending on how well the widget was written, you may be able to call its action procedures in order to get the effects you want. [courtesy Mark A. Horstman (mh2620@sarek.sbc.com), 11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 134) Why doesn't anything appear when I run this simple program? > ... > the_window = XCreateSimpleWindow(the_display, > root_window,size_hints.x,size_hints.y, > size_hints.width,size_hints.height,BORDER_WIDTH, > BlackPixel(the_display,the_screen), > WhitePixel(the_display,the_screen)); > ... > XSelectInput(the_display,the_window,ExposureMask|ButtonPressMask| > ButtonReleaseMask); > XMapWindow(the_display,the_window); > ... > XDrawLine(the_display,the_window,the_GC,5,5,100,100); > ... You are right to map the window before drawing into it. However, the window is not ready to be drawn into until it actually appears on the screen -- until your application receives an Expose event. Drawing done before that will generally not appear. You'll see code like this in many programs; this code would appear after window was created and mapped: while (!done) { XNextEvent(the_display,&the_event); switch (the_event.type) { case Expose: /* On expose events, redraw */ XDrawLine(the_display,the_window,the_GC,5,5,100,100); break; ... } } Note that there is a second problem: some Xlib implementations don't set up the default graphics context to have correct foreground/background colors, so this program could previously include this code: ... the_GC_values.foreground=BlackPixel(the_display,the_screen); /* e.g. */ the_GC_values.background=WhitePixel(the_display,the_screen); /* e.g. */ the_GC = XCreateGC(the_display,the_window, GCForeground|GCBackground,&the_GC_values); ... Note: the code uses BlackPixel and WhitePixel to avoid assuming that 1 is black and 0 is white or vice-versa. The relationship between pixels 0 and 1 and the colors black and white is implementation-dependent. They may be reversed, or they may not even correspond to black and white at all. Also note that actually using BlackPixel and WhitePixel is usually the wrong thing to do in a finished program, as it ignores the user's preference for foreground and background. And also note that you can run into the same situation in an Xt-based program if you draw into the XtWindow(w) right after it has been realized; it may not yet have appeared. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 135) What is the difference between a Screen and a screen? The 'Screen' is an Xlib structure which includes the information about one of the monitors or virtual monitors which a single X display supports. A server can support several independent screens. They are numbered unix:0.0, unix:0.1, unix:0.2, etc; the 'screen' or 'screen_number' is the second digit -- the 0, 1, 2 which can be thought of as an index into the array of available Screens on this particular Display connection. The macros which you can use to obtain information about the particular Screen on which your application is running typically have two forms -- one which takes a Screen and one with takes both the Display and the screen_number. In Xt-based programs, you typically use XtScreen(widget) to determine the Screen on which your application is running, if it uses a single screen. (Part of the confusion may arise from the fact that some of the macros which return characteristics of the Screen have ""Display"" in the names -- XDisplayWidth, XDisplayHeight, etc.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 136) Can I use C++ with X11? Motif? XView? The X11R4/5 header files are compatible with C++. The Motif 1.1 header files are usable as is inside extern ""C"" {...}. However, the definition of String in Intrinsic.h can conflict with the libg++ or other String class and needs to be worked around. Some other projects which can help: WWL, a set of C++ classes by Jean-Daniel Fekete to wrap X Toolkit widgets, available via anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu as contrib/WWL-1.2.tar.Z [7/92] or lri.lri.fr (129.175.15.1) as pub/WWL-1.2.tar.Z. It works by building a set of C++ classes in parallel to the class tree of the widgets. The C++ InterViews toolkit is obtainable via anonymous FTP from interviews.stanford.edu. InterViews uses a box/glue model similar to that of TeX for constructing user interfaces and supports multiple looks on the user interfaces. Some of its sample applications include a WYSIWIG document editor (doc), a MacDraw-like drawing program (idraw) and an interface builder (ibuild). THINGS, a class library written at the Rome Air Force Base by the Strategic Air Command, available as freeware on archive sites. Motif++ is a public-domain library that defines C++ class wrappers for Motif 1.1; it adds an ""application"" class for, e.g., initializing X, and also integrates WCL and the Xbae widget set. This work was developed by Ronald van Loon based on X++, a set of bindings done by the University of Lowell Graphics Research Laboratory. The current sources are available from decuac.dec.com (192.5.214.1) as /pub/X11/motif++.21.jul.92.tar.Z. The source code examples for Doug Young's ""Object-Oriented Programming with C++ and OSF/Motif"" [ISBN 0-13-630252-1] do not include ""widget wrappers"" but do include a set of classes that encapsulates higher-level facilities commonly needed by Motif- or other Xt-based applications; check export in ~ftp/contrib/young.c++.tar.Z. Rogue Wave offers ""View.h++"" for C++ programmers using Motif; info: 1-800-487-3217 or +1 503 754 2311. A product called ""Commonview"" by Glockenspiel Ltd, Ireland (??) apparently is a C++-based toolkit for multiple window systems, including PM, Windows, and X/Motif. Xv++ is sold by Qualix (415-572-0200; fax -1300); it implements an interface from the GIL files that Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0 produces to Xview wrapper classes in C++. UIT is a set of C++ classes embedding the XView toolkit; it is intended for use with Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0 builder tool. Sources are on export.mit.edu.au as UIT.tar.Z. Version 2 was released 5/28/92. Also of likely use is ObjectCenter (Saber-C++). And a reasonable alternative to all of the above is ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) Object Interface. [Thanks to Douglas S. Rand (dsrand@mitre.org) and George Wu (gwu@tcs.com);2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 137) Where can I obtain alternate language bindings to X? Versions of the CLX Lisp bindings are part of the X11 core source distributions. A version of CLX is on the R5 tape [10/91]; version 5.0.2 [9/92] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/CLX.R5.02.tar.Z. The SAIC Ada-X11 bindings are through anonymous ftp in /pub from stars.rosslyn.unisys.com (128.126.164.2). There is an X/Ada study team sponsored by NASA JSC, which apparently is working out bindings. Information: xada@ghg.hou.tx.us. GNU SmallTalk has a beta native SmallTalk binding to X called STIX (by Steven.Byrne@Eng.Sun.COM). It is still in its beginning stages, and documentation is sparse outside the SmallTalk code itself. The sources are available as /pub/gnu/smalltalk-1.1.1.tar.Z on prep.ai.mit.edu (18.71.0.38) or ugle.unit.no (129.241.1.97). Prolog bindings (called ""XWIP"") written by Ted Kim at UCLA while supported in part by DARPA are available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/xwip.tar.Z or ftp.cs.ucla.edu:pub/xwip.tar.Z. These prolog language bindings depend on having a Quintus-type foreign function interface in your prolog. The developer has gotten it to work with Quintus and SICStus prolog. Inquiries should go to xwip@cs.ucla.edu. [3/90] Scheme bindings to Xlib, OSF/Motif, and Xaw are part of the Elk distribution; version 1.5a on export obsoletes the version on the R5 contrib tape. x-scm, a bolt-on accessory for Aubrey Jaffer's ""scm"" Scheme interpreter that provides an interface to Xlib, Motif, and OpenLook, is now available via FTP from altdorf.ai.mit.edu:archive/scm/xscm1.05.tar.Z and nexus.yorku.ca:pub/scheme/new/xscm1.05.tar.Z. Ada bindings to Motif, explicitly, will eventually be made available by the Jet Propulsion Laboratories, probably through the normal electronic means. Advance information can be obtained from dsouleles@dsfvax.jpl.nasa.gov, who may respond as time permits. AdaMotif is a complete binding to X and Motif for the Ada language, for many common systems; it is based in part upon the SAIC/Unisys bindings and also includes a UIL to Ada translator. Info: Systems Engineering Research Corporation, 1-800-Ada-SERC (well!serc@apple.com). Also: the MIT Consortium, although not involved in producing Ada bindings for X, maintains a partial listing of people involved in X and Ada; information is available from Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 138) Can XGetWindowAttributes get a window's background pixel/pixmap? No. Once set, the background pixel or pixmap of a window cannot be re-read by clients. The reason for this is that a client can create a pixmap, set it to be the background pixmap of a window, and then free the pixmap. The window keeps this background, but the pixmap itself is destroyed. If you're sure a window has a background pixel (not a pixmap), you can use XClearArea() to clear a region to the background color and then use XGetImage() to read back that pixel. However, this action alters the contents of the window, and it suffers from race conditions with exposures. [courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun] Note that the same applies to the border pixel/pixmap. This is a (mis)feature of the protocol which allows the server is free to manipulate the pixel/pixmap however it wants. By not requiring the server to keep the original pixel or pixmap, some (potentially a lot of) space can be saved. [courtesy Jim Fulton, MIT X Consortium] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 139) How do I create a transparent window? A completely transparent window is easy to get -- use an InputOnly window. In order to create a window which is *mostly* transparent, you have several choices: - the SHAPE extension first released with X11R4 offers an easy way to make non-rectangular windows, so you can set the shape of the window to fit the areas where the window should be nontransparent; however, not all servers support the extension. - a machine-specific method of implementing transparent windows for particular servers is to use an overlay plane supported by the hardware. Note that there is no X notion of a ""transparent color index"". - a generally portable solution is to use a large number of tiny windows, but this makes operating on the application as a unit difficult. - a final answer is to consider whether you really need a transparent window or if you would be satisfied with being able to overlay your application window with information; if so, you can draw into separate bitplanes in colors that will appear properly. [thanks to der Mouse, mouse@lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, 3/92; see also The X Journal 1:4 for a more complete answer, including code samples for this last option] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 140) Why doesn't GXxor produce mathematically-correct color values? When using GXxor you may expect that drawing with a value of black on a background of black, for example, should produce white. However, the drawing operation does not work on RGB values but on colormap indices. The color that the resulting colormap index actually points to is undefined and visually random unless you have actually filled it in yourself. [On many X servers Black and White often 0/1 or 1/0; programs taking advantage of this mathematical coincidence will break.] If you want to be combining colors with GXxor, then you should be allocating a number of your own color cells and filling them with your chosen pre-computed values. If you want to use GXxor simply to switch between two colors, then you can take the shortcut of setting the background color in the GC (graphics context) to 0 and the foreground color to a value such that when it draws over red, say, the result is blue, and when it draws over blue the result is red. This foreground value is itself the XOR of the colormap indices of red and blue. [Thanks to Chris Flatters (cflatter@zia.aoc.nrao.EDU) and Ken Whaley (whaley@spectre.pa.dec.com), 2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 141) Why does every color I allocate show up as black? Make sure you're using 16 bits and not 8. The red, green, and blue fields of an XColor structure are scaled so that 0 is nothing and 65535 is full-blast. If you forget to scale (using, for example, 0-255 for each color) the XAllocColor function will perform correctly but the resulting color is usually black. [Thanks to Paul Asente, asente@adobe.com, 7/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 142) Why can't my program get a standard colormap? I have an image-processing program which uses XGetRGBColormap() to get the standard colormap, but it doesn't work. XGetRGBColormap() when used with the property XA_RGB_DEFAULT_MAP does not create a standard colormap -- it just returns one if one already exists. Use xstdcmap or do what it does in order to create the standard colormap first. [1/91; from der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 143) Why does the pixmap I copy to the screen show up as garbage? The initial contents of pixmaps are undefined. This means that most servers will allocate the memory and leave around whatever happens to be there -- which is usually garbage. You probably want to clear the pixmap first using XFillRectangle() with a function of GXcopy and a foreground pixel of whatever color you want as your background (or 0L if you are using the pixmap as a mask). [courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 144) How do I check whether a window ID is valid? My program has the ID of a window on a remote display. I want to check whether the window exists before doing anything with it. Because X is asynchronous, there isn't a guarantee that the window would still exist between the time that you got the ID and the time you sent an event to the window or otherwise manipulated it. What you should do is send the event without checking, but install an error handler to catch any BadWindow errors, which would indicate that the window no longer exists. This scheme will work except on the [rare] occasion that the original window has been destroyed and its ID reallocated to another window. [courtesy Ken Lee (klee@synoptics.com), 4/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 145) Can I have two applications draw to the same window? Yes. The X server assigns IDs to windows and other resources (actually, the server assigns some bits, the client others), and any application that knows the ID can manipulate the resource [almost any X server resource, except for GCs and private color cells, can be shared]. The problem you face is how to disseminate the window ID to multiple applications. A simple way to handle this (and which solves the problem of the applications' running on different machines) is in the first application to create a specially-named property on the root-window and put the window ID into it. The second application then retrieves the property, whose name it also knows, and then can draw whatever it wants into the window. [Note: this scheme works iff there is only one instance of the first application running, and the scheme is subject to the limitations mentioned in the Question about using window IDs on remote displays.] Note also that you will still need to coordinate any higher-level cooperation among your applications. Note also that two processes can share a window but should not try to use the same server connection. If one process is a child of the other, it should close down the connection to the server and open its own connection. [mostly courtesy Phil Karlton (karlton@wpd.sgi.com) 6/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 146) Why can't my program work with tvtwm or swm? A number of applications, including xwd, xwininfo, and xsetroot, do not handle the virtual root window which tvtwm and swm use; they typically return the wrong child of root. A general solution is to add this code or to use it in your own application where you would normally use RootWindow(dpy,screen): /* Function Name: GetVRoot * Description: Gets the root window, even if it's a virtual root * Arguments: the display and the screen * Returns: the root window for the client */ #include Window GetVRoot(dpy, scr) Display *dpy; int scr; { Window rootReturn, parentReturn, *children; unsigned int numChildren; Window root = RootWindow(dpy, scr); Atom __SWM_VROOT = None; int i; __SWM_VROOT = XInternAtom(dpy, ""__SWM_VROOT"", False); XQueryTree(dpy, root, &rootReturn, &parentReturn, &children, &numChildren); for (i = 0; i < numChildren; i++) { Atom actual_type; int actual_format; long nitems, bytesafter; Window *newRoot = NULL; if (XGetWindowProperty(dpy, children[i], __SWM_VROOT, 0, 1, False, XA_WINDOW, &actual_type, &actual_format, &nitems, &bytesafter, (unsigned char **) &newRoot) == Success && newRoot) { root = *newRoot; break; } } return root; } [courtesy David Elliott (dce@smsc.sony.com). Similar code is in ssetroot, a version of xsetroot distributed with tvtwm. 2/91] A header file by Andreas Stolcke of ICSI on export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/vroot.h functions similarly by providing macros for RootWindow and DefaultRootWindow; code can include this header file first to run properly in the presence of a virtual desktop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 147) How do I keep a window from being resized by the user? Resizing the window is done through the window manager; window managers can pay attention to the size hints your application places on the window, but there is no guarantee that the window manager will listen. You can try setting the minimum and maximum size hints to your target size and hope for the best. [1/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 148) How do I keep a window in the foreground at all times? It's rather antisocial for an application to constantly raise itself [e.g. by tracking VisibilityNotify events] so that it isn't overlapped -- imagine the conflict between two such programs running. The only sure way to have your window appear on the top of the stack is to make the window override-redirect; this means that you are temporarily assuming window-management duties while the window is up, so you want to do this infrequently and then only for short periods of time (e.g. for popup menus or other short parameter-setting windows). [thanks to der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu); 7/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 149) How do I make text and bitmaps blink in X? There is no easy way. Unless you're willing to depend on some sort of extension (as yet non-existent), you have to arrange for the blinking yourself, either by redrawing the contents periodically or, if possible, by playing games with the colormap and changing the color of the contents. [Thanks to mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse), 7/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 150)+ How do I get a double-click in Xlib? Users of Xt have the support of the translation manager to help get notification of double-clicking. There is no good way to get only a double-click in Xlib, because the protocol does not provide enough support to do double-clicks. You have to do client-side timeouts, unless the single-click action is such that you can defer actually taking it until you next see an event from the server. Thus, you have to do timeouts, which means system-dependent code. On most UNIXish implementations, you can use XConnectionNumber to get the file descriptor of the X connection and then use select() or something similar on that. Note that many user-interface references suggest that a double-click be used to extend the action indicated by a single-click; if this is the case in your interface then you can execute the first action and as a compromise check the timestamp on the second event to determine whether it, too, should be the single-click action or the double-click action. [Thanks to mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse), 4/93] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 151)! How do I render rotated text? Xlib intentionally does not provide such sophisticated graphics capabilities, leaving them up to server-extensions or clients-side graphics libraries. Your only choice, if you want to stay within the core X protocol, is to render the text into a pixmap, read it back via XGetImage(), rotate it ""by hand"" with whatever matrices you want, and put it back to the server via XPutImage(); more specifically: 1) create a bitmap B and write your text to it. 2) create an XYBitmap image I from B (via XGetImage). 3) create an XYBitmap Image I2 big enough to handle the transformation. 4) for each x,y in I2, I2(x,y) = I(a,b) where a = x * cos(theta) - y * sin(theta) b = x * sin(theta) + y * cos(theta) 5) render I2 Note that you should be careful how you implement this not to lose bits; an algorithm based on shear transformations may in fact be better. The high-level server-extensions and graphics packages available for X also permit rendering of rotated text: Display PostScript, PEX, PHiGS, and GKS, although most are not capable of arbitrary rotation and probably do not use the same fonts that would be found on a printer. In addition, if you have enough access to the server to install a font on it, you can create a font which consists of letters rotated at some predefined angle. Your application can then itself figure out placement of each glyph. [courtesy der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu), Eric Taylor (etaylor@wilkins.bmc.tmc.edu), and Ken Lee (klee@synoptics.com), 11/90; Liam Quin (lee@sq.com), 12/90] InterViews (C++ UI toolkit, in the X contrib software) has support for rendering rotated fonts in X. It could be one source of example code. [Brian R. Smith (brsmith@cs.umn.edu), 3/91] Another possibility is to use the Hershey Fonts; they are stroke-rendered and can be used by X by converting them into XDrawLine requests. [eric@pencom.com, 10/91] The xrotfont program by Alan Richardson (mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk) (posted to comp.sources.x July 14 1992) paints a rotated font by implementing the method above and by using an outline (Hershey) font. The xvertext package by Alan Richardson (mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk) is a set of functions to facilitate the writing of text at any angle. Version 3.0 was recently released to alt.sources and comp.sources.misc [3/93]; it is also on export as contrib/xvertext.3.0.shar.Z. O'Reilly's X Resource Volume 3 includes information from HP about modifications to the X fonts server which provide for rotated and scaled text. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 152) What is the X Registry? (How do I reserve names?) There are places in the X Toolkit, in applications, and in the X protocol that define and use string names. The context is such that conflicts are possible if different components use the same name for different things. The MIT X Consortium maintains a registry of names in these domains: orgainization names, selection names, selection targets, resource types, application classes, and class extension record types; and several others. The list as of 7/91 is in the directory mit/doc/Registry on the R5 tape; it is also available by sending ""send docs registry"" to the xstuff mail server. To register names (first come, first served) or to ask questions send to xregistry@expo.lcs.mit.edu; be sure to include a postal address for confirmation. [11/90; condensed from Asente/Swick Appendix H] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net " 11066,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 16 Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame ""highlights""!!! gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 11067,0,"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com (References: deleted to move this to a new thread) In article <114133@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >In article <1phkf7INN86p@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: >>}Rushdie is, however, as I understand, a muslim. >>}The fact that he's a British citizen does not preclude his being muslim. > >>Rushdie was an atheist (to use local terminology, not to put words in >>his mouth) at the time of writing TSV and at the time of the fatwa in >>February 1989.[...] > >Well, if he was born muslim (I am fairly certain he was) then he _is_ >muslim until he explicitly renounces Islam. So far as I know he has never >explicitly renounced Islam, though he may have been in extreme doubt >about the existence of God. Being muslim is a legal as well as >intellectual issue, according to Islam. ""To put it as simply as possible: *I am not a Muslim*.[...] I do not accept the charge of apostacy, because I have never in my adult life affirmed any belief, and what one has not affirmed one can not be said to have apostasized from. The Islam I know states clearly that 'there can be no coercion in matters of religion'. The many Muslims I respect would be horrified by the idea that they belong to their faith *purely by virtue of birth*, and that a person who freely chose not to be a Muslim could therefore be put to death."" Salman Rushdie, ""In Good Faith"", 1990 ""God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith. [...]and afterwards, to prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham sandwich, and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike me down. [...] From that day to this I have thought of myself as a wholly seculat person."" Salman Rushdie, ""In God We Trust"", 1985 >>[I] think the Rushdie affair has discredited Islam more in my eyes than >>Khomeini -- I know there are fanatics and fringe elements in all >>religions, but even apparently ""moderate"" Muslims have participated or >>refused to distance themselves from the witch-hunt against Rushdie. > >Yes, I think this is true, but there Khomenei's motivations are quite >irrelevant to the issue. The fact of the matter is that Rushdie made >false statements (fiction, I know, but where is the line between fact >and fiction?) about the life of Mohammad. Only a functional illiterate with absolutely no conception of the nature of the novel could think such a thing. I'll accept it (reluctantly) from mobs in Pakistan, but not from you. What is presented in the fictional dream of a demented character cannot by the wildest stretch of the imagination be considered a reflection on the actual Mohammad. What's worse, the novel doesn't present the Mahound/Mohammed character in any worse light than secular histories of Islam; in particular, there is no ""lewd"" misrepresentation of his life or that of his wives. >That is why >few people rush to his defense -- he's considered an absolute fool for >his writings in _The Satanic Verses_. Don't hold back; he's considered an apostate and a blasphemer. However, it's not for his writing in _The Satanic Verses_, but for what people have accepted as a propagandistic version of what is contained in that book. I have yet to find *one single muslim* who has convinced me that they have read the book. Some have initially claimed to have done so, but none has shown more knowledge of the book than a superficial Newsweek story might impart, and all have made factual misstatements about events in the book. >If you wish to understand the >reasons behind this as well has the origin of the concept of ""the >satanic verses"" [...] see the >Penguin paperback by Rafiq Zakariyah called _Mohammad and the Quran_. I'll keep an eye out for it. I have a counter-proposal: I suggest that you see the Viking hardcover by Salman Rushdie called _The Satanic Verses_. Perhaps then you'll understand. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. " 11068,6,"From: Mike Diack Subject: Make your own talking elevators ! X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 07:49:24 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-66.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 7 Complete standalone system (no computer required) for burning sound files into EPROMs - consists of : Apollo Eprom programmer (designed specifically for this job - wont do anything else) Microphone Logical Devices Eprom eraser (to wipe the mistakes) Brand New - $230 + freight " 11069,16,"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article <1qanj0$22d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >How many are aware that the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a verbatim translation >of a Nazi gun control law passed shortly before the Holocaust? > >For those of you who think I'm being paranoid in asking these questions, >pray that you are right. Unchecked democracies usually end in >dictatorship. Remember, Germany was a democracy when Hitler rose to power. >Can we be absolutely certain nothing like that could happen today? I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the clues. The fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans to prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another. The fact the words like community of nations, global village and international business are in vogue are others. International corporations are destroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing through the media and government is over powering our ability to resist. Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty. The bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of One World Government is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven that would be a disaster. Beware the LIBERAL and the conservative and the moderate. Think for yourself " 11070,17,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 35 (Brad Hernlem writes: >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the ""retaliatory"" >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My ""team"", >you see, was ""playing fair"" while the opposing team was rearranging the >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the >Lebanese terrorists. If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. Read again your original article. You find Israeli government responsible for those dead soldiers, that's a reasonable (debatable) point, but feel satisfaction from dead bodies is NOT REASONABLE by any standards. No matter how you try to justify it. I may understand your frustration against israeli occupation in S Lebanon. But no matter what you say, I can not understand your satisfaction for dead bodies. I have a question for you. Let's assume a bosnian village, inhabited by serbs untill a few (10-20) years ago, and later taken over by bosnian muslims (the means are not very peaceful). Now, do you enjoy serbs coming and killing all (armed) bosnian muslims ? I would not enjoy, but I would not enjoy ANY dead bodies - israelis, lebanese or bosnians. Dorin " 11071,10,"From: Patrick Walker Subject: Red Wings Goespel... Lines: 19 Organization: The University of New Brunswick Detroit's going to beat Toronto in 6 or LESS!!! Granted, Gilmour should get the Hart Trophy, NOT Lemieux... Just Look at what Gilmour did for Toronto. When you think of Toronto, who comes to mind, Gilmour, Andreychuk, Potvin...ah...did I mentio n Gilmour? Back to Detroit... There really isn't a team that could stand up to them if all the players on the team play to their potential, no one could stop them. Yzerman, Fedorov, Coffey, Lindstrom... there's more firepower there than Pittsburgh... and they don't tri p over their own skates! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- /------------/ Detroit over Toronto in 5 Patrick Walker / /--\------/ Detroit over Chicago in 6 University of New Bruns. ! ! !---/ Detroit over Vancouver in 6 Canada \ \__/ / Detroit over Nords in 6 ""Disco Still Sucks!"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- " 11072,17,From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Serdar Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You are such a LOSER!!!! ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** 11073,0,"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: Rationality (was: Islamic marriage)? Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 26 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In <1993Mar31.013034.27070@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >My case is that everything wrong in the world will end if people start >believing in Islam. And that horrors to mankind are all caused by the >lack of belief- Atheism. For the last time, Bobby. Lack of belief in YOUR god does NOT imply atheism. Just because some moslems aren't moral does not mean they don't believe in a god named Allah, although their Allah may not do the things your Allah does. If a moslem says he/she believes that a god exists, he/she is a theist (though maybe not a TRUE follower of islam). >30,000 murder victims a year caused by atheism. Poverty. Massive hate crimes. >Such low respect for the human body. Distrust among people. Everything >wrong, all caused by atheism. >Peace, Jerk. >Bobby Mozumder -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. " 11074,9,"From: poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) Subject: Re: Aguilera Causes Cardiac Arrest Organization: Purdue University Lines: 21 In article <1qi97dINNemh@phakt.usc.edu> wagner@phakt.usc.edu (Loren Wagner) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.123722.24506@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes: >> >>Maybe you would rather have Ron Davis back ???? :^) >> > >The truly amazing thing was how many years this bum was the closer for the >Twins. You'd have thought they could find *somebody* better. > >Don Daybell >wagner@usc.edu Going into the ninth with a 3 run lead, ...2 runs score...runners on first and second...RD throws, ""there's a drive waaaaaayyyyyyy back, Puckett to the wall, leaps, He CAUGHT THE BALL!!!! WHAT A CATCH BY KIRBY!! TWINS WIN!"" and RD gets the save. His line 1 IP, 2 walks, 2 hits, and one robbed home run... paul " 11075,1,"From: Mark A. Cartwright Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) Organization: University of Texas @ Austin, Comp. Center Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: aliester.cc.utexas.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1 Well, 42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" That is to quote Douglas Adams in a round about way. Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... -- Mark A. Cartwright, N5SNP University of Texas @ Austin Computation Center, Graphics Facility markc@emx.utexas.edu markc@sirius.cc.utexas.edu markc@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu (512)-471-3241 x 362 PP-ASEL 9-92 a.) ""Often in error, never in doubt."" b.) ""This situation has no gravity, I would like a refund please."" " 11076,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: army in space Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Last I had heard because of budget and such the Air Farce is the only ""Space Command"" left.. The rest missions were generally given to the Air Farce.. Probably a good reason for me to transfer from the Army Guard to the Air Guard.. I hate walking with a pack on my back, and how do you put on your application for a job as a kitchen worker, that you have done a lot of KP (Kitchen Police).. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked " 11077,2,"From: jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) Subject: Workspace Managers for Win 3.1 - a small review Organization: Zikzak Public Access UNIX, Melbourne Australia Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au Thanks to all those people who recommended Workspace managers for Windows 3.1. I found 3 shareware Workspace Managers, from Australia's MS-WINDOWS archive (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au), which mirrors some sites in the U.S. The three I found were: 1. WORKSPACES 1.10 (wspace.zip) This was the smallest and simplest of the workspace managers that I found. It is very easy to use. It displays a small window, containing 6 buttons, plus an extra button for configuration purposes. One annoying feature was the title window that is first presented when it is run - you must press a key (not a mouse button!) for the thing to go away. Also, it would have been nice if there was an ""ALWAYS ON TOP"" setting for the little window containing the workspace buttons. Maybe some user-specified strings on the buttons instead of the numbers one to six might be a nice feature. The simplicity and ease of use of this workspace manager makes it an attractive package. 2. WORKSHIFT 1.6 (wrksft16.zip) While this workspace manager offered a few features that WORKSPACES 1.10 lacked, it was quite time consuming to set things up. With WORKSPACES 1.10, all but the first workspace is initially empty. With WORKSHIFT 1.6, you need to take ""snapshots"" of how you want each of your workspaces to look like - i.e. what applications they contain. Also, the main window is quite large, but this does allow you to have a small view of what is in each workspace. With WORKSPACES 1.10, there was no facility for viewing what was in a workspace without switching to it. WORKSHIFT 1.6 provides this viewing functionality which is quite useful. 3. BIGDESK 2.30 and BACKMENU (backdesk.zip) This is an interesting package, which contains a few other goodies as well as a workspace manager. Other goodies include ""Backmenu"", which provides a pop-up root menu when you press a certain mouse button - just like in X-Windows. The menu is totally configurable, offering unlimited depth of cascading menus, which is provides quite handy access to applications. You could say it is a menu-based alternative to the program manager. Also bundled in ""backdesk.zip"" is a program called ""WRUN"", which allows you to run windows applications from a DOS shell under WINDOWS instead of using the File Manager to run applications. The actual workspace manager is called BIGDESK 2.30. BIGDESK works quite differently to the other two workspace managers in that it doesn't provide a certain number of disjoint and separate workspaces. In fact, it basically enlarges your desktop by a configurable amount, and you choose which region of the desktop you want your screen to focus in on. This means you can have windows overlapping between different viewing regions, unlike the first two workspace managers in which each workspace was isolated from the other one. The BIGDESK control window allows to to move windows around your enlarged desktop. Basically the control window provides a small scale view of your viewing area while your actual computer screen provides a large scale or blow-up of a particular section. Try each of them out for yourself. I was impressed with all of them, so find out which one suits your needs the best. " 11078,3,"From: ""Mohammad Al-Ansari"" Subject: CACHE or Micronics EISA/VLB Motherboard? Organization: Indiana University Computer Science, Bloomington Lines: 27 This might be a silly question but I have to ask it anyway. I am in the process of purchasing an EISA/VL Bus 486 DX2-66 computer and I found two places that sell machines that have what I want and have the same price. The first is Ares and they use a Cache motherboard (that's the brand of the motherboard) with OPTI chip set, the other is Micron (formerly Edge Technology) and they use the Micronics EISA/VLB motherboard. I said that this might be a silly question since I believe that Micronics is a very well known motherboard manufacturer while I never heard of Cache! I am however leaning towards the Ares machine because my impression is that they are known for building good, solid machines and they have good tech support (24 hr, 7 days/wk), and a better warrantee (2 years). Micron, on the other hand, seems to have recently aquired Edge Technologies and I'm not sure how much I should trust the company. I would REALLY appreciate any input on this. Is the Micron machine the clear choice? Does anyone know anything positive or negative about either company? Has anyone ever heard of Cache motherboards? Should I go with Micron just because it has the Micronics motherboard? etc. Thanks very much in advance for any information. -- Mohammad Al-Ansari " 11079,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Distribution: usa Lines: 24 In article Anna Matyas writes: > >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, ""These guys are pretty good announcers."" (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) > IMHO... Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant in my opinion), is a terrible analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday. I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't any Dick Irvin. As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any day. Gerald " 11080,8,"From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr14.175856.26051@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >[...] On a >waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on >a motorcycle, I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis. On my friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left. Anyway, all you're doing there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary (simple linkage could make it work either way). >so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the >centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for >gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*. It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion than snow skis. But it *has* been an amusing digression. Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Phil Stone NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us '83 R80ST ""Motorcycles OK"" " 11081,10,"From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin) Subject: Does anybody have the schedule for games Sunday 25 Apr 93 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Hello Hockey fans. Bonjour tout le monde! Well, in Salt Lake City this past Sunday, the local ABC station decided not to televise the hockey games. La directrous de programme est la tete de merde! Anyway, I have a satellite dish, and a few of my friends from hockey have invited themselves over to watch the games this coming Sunday (25 Apr), and I can not find correct game times. For the Calgary at LA game I have times showing everything from 11:00 AM MDT, to 5:00 PM MDT. I am not even sure what games are going to be played this coming Sunday, now that ABC has mucked up the schedule. I think I should be able to pull in three games (11:00 am, 2:00 pm, and 5:30 pm MDT) off the dish, but I am not sure. IF anybody has a schedule, pleas emial it to me. As you can see, I have to telent to get rec.sport.hockey, and it is sometimes difficult to get a link. Thanks in advance Merci d'avance P.S. Anglais ou francais d'accord. Roland Behunin behunin@oodis01.af.mil behunin@oodis01.hill.af.mil -- Roland " 11082,9,"From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: Tickets etc.. Article-I.D.: hydra.91513 Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 39 Let's look at the effects of inflation on 1930's superstars' salaries. I read once that the Babe made $80,000 one year and that was about as good as it got for him. Let's assume he made that in 1928 (I'm not sure of the figures, but I know I'm in the ballpark--pun intended). :-) Today, assuming a 4% yearly inflation rate, which is an understatement if not accurate, his measly $80,000 salary would be worth. FV = $80,000 x (1+4%)^(1993-1928) = $80,000 x (1.04)^65 = just over $1,000,000. Assuming inflation is average of around 5%. FV = $80,000 x (1+5%)^65 = almost 2,000,000. (I didn't crunch these numbers beforehand). These numbers might lead one to believe that today's players are slightly overpaid. The Babe appears to have made then what today's average to above average players make now. Perfectly accurate salary, year of salary, and average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate, but I don`t think I'm off by much. Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu " 11083,19,"From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu In article <1r1i41$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >Just maybe you won't be home. Then you can come home to something >like this: > > ""Well, it's been a rough month,"" begins Johnnie Lawmaster. ""I > just get laid off, and my divorce became final. But I just wasn't > ready for what happened this particular Monday."" [horror story about FBI ruining a guy's life for the hell of it omitted] >So if you don't want your tea party to be held in awkward silence, make >sure your lawyer isn't there, there's a good chap. So, is this a real story or a work of fiction? How about some sources? When, where, and in what newspaper did you get all this from? Or is it all hypothetical? -- +------------------------+------------------------------------+ | David Charlap | ""Apple II forever"" - Steve Wozniac | | dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | ""I drank what?"" - Socrates | +------------------------+------------------------------------+ " 11084,19,"From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 41 In article <1qme79$c0k@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >In article <1qm36b$gn2@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>In article <1qktj3$bn9@squick.eitech.com> ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >>#In article <1qkn1t$59l@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >>#Like I said before, DES works whether I value my privacy or >>#not. >> >>O.K., which DES? The abstract function DES? that stops working in any >>important sense if no-one cares for the importance of truth, mathematics, >>meaning, information, etc. A DES chip or DES s/w? That stops working in any >>important sense if no-one values science, objective reality, etc. DES >>does not work in a value vacuum. Nothing else does, either. > >This is just truth by blatant assertion. Your ""in any important sense"" >seem to be just weasel words. Imagine that I have a box which >accepts 16 bytes and uses the first 8 to ECB the second 8. >It still does a perfect job of DESing, whether or not any input >is being made at the time--whether or not anyone values mathematics.. If no-one looks at the results, or acknowledges their correctness, in what meaningful sense can the chip be said to ""work""?? Does flibozity exist? By ""flibozity"", I mean a particular, extremely complex configuration of physical phenomena, which no-one, absolutely NO-ONE cares about in the slightest. Does it exist, Eric? Getting back to the question of whether the DES chip ""works"", doesn't ""work"" mean something like ""achieving the desired/expected effect""? Note the way intentionality subtly underlies that definition. Even if we take the definition as ""expected"", instead of ""desired"", can you deny that conformance to expectations is itself a value of sorts, namely the scientific values of accuracy-of-prediction and reproducibility-of-results? The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the primary ontological ""stuff"" from which all other ontology was built -- perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in seeing intentionality (or ""values"", as he puts it) underlying all human experience, even the so-called ""objective"" experiences, such as measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip. - Kevin " 11085,18,"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 254 In article , matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: > > In Article 164905 in talk.politics.misc,decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com > (dean.kaflowitz) > > >In article , matt@galaxy.nsc.com > >(Matt Freivald x8043) writes: > >> > >>> 1) Is an unborn child a human being at ANY POINT during pregnency? > > > >In my opinion, at all points during the pregnancy it is human. > > >You'll have to define what you mean by ""human being"" for me to > > >answer the question as put. > > A parallel: Q: ""Is a person of color a human being?"" > A: ""You'll have to define what you mean by `human being'."" To answer your irrelevant question, yes a person of color is human, but I still don't know what you mean by human being and you have merely begged the question without responding. By trying to inject the notion of race into the discussion, you muddy the waters without adding any insight whatever. The same parallel question could be ""Is a polydactyl person a human being?"" You still have not answered what you mean by human being. Please do so. > >> I would suggest that legal precedent defines a human being (i.e., a person > >> whose rights are protected by the Constitution and the law) as someone with > >> a functioning brain. > >Could you cite some of those precedents for me, or the basis of this > >definition? While the law does allow the removal of extraordinary > >means of sustaining life in cases of brain death, this in itself > >does not lead to your conclusion of how the law defines a human > >being. However, at least you defined human being in a tenuous > >fashion. That is, a ""person whose rights are protected by the > >Constitution and the law."" > > >For my answer to your question, I refer you to Roe v Wade and > >subsequent Supreme Court decisions, which define to what > >extent a fetus is protected by the Constitution and the law. > ""Certain judges have concurred that slavery is not a violation of > human rights; therefore, it is not."" You won't answer the question and instead drag in irrelevancies. If you want a definition of human being that does not depend on the vagaries of law, but holds solid whatever the law may rule, provide it for me. > I would suggest that your blind faith would not likely hold up if the > shoe were on the other foot. The ""brain life/death"" paradigm is one that > I suggest as one consistent with other legal definitions. It clearly > doesn't matter to you whether an unborn child has any rights or not, > however, so the point is lost on you. More irrelevancies. As Larry Margolis pointed out, the law has made special exceptions in order to include fetuses, but does not follow your version of human being. And as he pointed out, brain death is not a means of determining who has the rights of the living, but rather who has died. There is a significant difference. What I am wondering now is, has your argument so failed you that you feel it necessary to drag out irrelevancies and leave the thread you started? You got answers to your questions when you began baiting me, if you recall, after you had made some ridiculous remarks about Adrienne Regard and, having been corrected, changed the subject with your remarks about having a discussion of substance. If you really wanted a discussion of substance, why then do you disregard logic and substance in order to toss silly accussations, e.g. ""It really doesn't matter to you..."" If it matters to you, then why not define human being and seek some substance? You're not going to convince a logical person of the rightness of your position unless you apply some logic and show some meaning to your words. > >> >> 2) If she is, then why does the mother have the right to kill > >> >> her when she is in the womb but not after she has passed > >> >> through the birth canal? > >> > >> >Because a woman has a right to have any object which threatens her > >> >health and is within the confines of her body removed. The other > >> >side of the argument would give rights to the fetus that would not > >> >be granted to an adult human. If, for example, you were occupying > >> >the body of another, for whatever reason or through whatever means, > >> >the reason and means being irrelevant, that other would be able to > >> >remove or have you removed. If that removal required your demise, > >> >I see no reason in law that such a removal could not be effected. > >> Rather than examining a hypothetical thought experiment, let us examine > >> a real, though rare, situation: siamese twins. If one siamese twin has > >> the other surgically removed, knowing that it will cause death (and > >> barring some emergency where they will both die anyway), it is > >> murder. > >Is it? Have you any support for this assertion? Furthermore, your > >analogy is completely inapplicable. Siamese twins have an equal > >claim to any body parts they have in common. Try again. > What establishes this ""equal claim"" beyond your assertion? If it > is merely a matter of ""which came first"", cannot one kill the other since > they both have equal claim? What if one has more motor control than > the other? Does that establish a ""superior claim""? As others point out, one is sacrificed for the other depending on which has the better chance at survival. Again, your analogy fails. Not precedence, but possession makes a difference here. A woman's womb is indisputably her own. Also, I see you ignore my statement that you would grant rights to a fetus that would not be granted a born human being. Was that due to its inconvenience? > >> You see, the right to life IS granted to adult humans in the > >> same sense as it should be to the foetus AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO BIRTH. > >Are Siamese twins ever separated in the womb? Or is this > >right you assert for Siamese twins, which I don't even think is > >true as stated or valid as an analogy, one that exists after birth? > >Freivald, your entire argument here is a failure. > Interesting way of trying to combine two essentially orthogonal concepts. > The point is that it is murder for one siamese twin to kill the other, > regardless of their status of physiological dependence or interdependence. Is it? Please cite a precedent and the basis of the ruling. > It would be difficult for one siamese twin to kill the other inside the > womb, and even if it were possible I doubt that a case could be made for > premeditation or neglegence. Note the use of the phrase ""it should be"" > in my post. You simply assert things without any support. Your analogy is not accurate and your assertions are unsupported. Try this on for size. It is not murder for one Siamese twin to kill the other in the womb. There. We now have equal arguments. But the idea is illogical. For one Siamese twin to kill the other in the womb would likely be to kill itself as well. The systems are dependent on each other for life. I'm still struggling to see anything analagous here and failing to do so. > >> Of course, the situation is NOT a perfect comparison; it may well be that > >> one siamese twin deliberately initiates oppression or coersion against > >> the other. This is clearly not the case with an unborn child. > >And this last statement from you is a total non sequitur. The > >comparison is far worse than you give it credit for. > Are you going to let this assertion stand on its own also, or do you > plan on following up with a reasoned argument? Your argument is from Fantasy Island. Your comparison is a total failure, as I have demonstrated already, and has no basis in reality, neither legally nor medically. And for you to assert that it is not a perfect comparison because of the impossible, that of coercion or oppression, is ridiculous. As I said, you give the analogy too little credit for failure. On the one hand you start this by saying you want to take a real, rather than a hypothetical, situation, then you fly off into Siamese twins murdering one another in the womb or coercing or oppressing each other in the womb when the reality of the situation you describe in now way matches your version. As I said before, decisions are made regarding which twin lives and dies in situations where they cannot both survive. And, furthermore, as I have already said, there is a difference between an equal claim to organs and a claim that is unequal. You seem to be asserting that a fetus has a claim on a woman's womb. When the fetus is born, what happens to its claim? And by what reason do you assert its claim? > >> >> 3) If a parent has the right to choose to not take responsibility > >> >> for their own child, why are there laws and penalties against > >> >> child abandonment? > >> >This last question is irrelevant and something of a non sequitur. > >> >Can you establish some relevance or even some sense for it? > >> If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly > >> have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward > >> their children. > >Again, what is the relevance? You have established no sense of when > >that point is, you ignore the significant difference between a fetus > >and a born child (the dependence of a born child can be transferred > >to another party, while that of a fetus cannot; a born child does > >not live within the body of another human being while a fetus does, > >thereby representing potential and often actual harm to that > >body, as in the case of one of our talk.abortion participants who > >suffers from epilepsy and to whom pregnancy represents a significant > >health risk, or as in the case of a woman I know, who chose to > >continue her pregnancy, but spent her entire pregnancy confined to > >a wheelchair and suffering great pain from constriction of some > >nerve), and your argument is not an argument against abortion > >generally, but at best an argument against abortion at ""some > >time during the course of pregnancy."" > Again, a quest for common ground. Most of the pro-choice people I > have spoken to in person (none of them pro-abortion activists) concede > that the child has a right to life at some point that supersedes all > of the mother's rights except that of her own life. As is often the > case in emotionally charged issues, the activists have a very different > outlook from the mainstream. You haven't answered the question. The situations are not analagous. > The dependence of a born child is not transferred instantaneously; it > takes time and effort. Incidentally, it is the pro-choice side, not > me, arguing that the government should make it easy for parents to > abandon their children to the State. Again you avoid the question. Dependence can be transferred, and it is not as slow as you seem to think. > As to the anecdotal evidence of real human tragedy, there is ample > on both sides. I would hate to be in the position of the mother in > NYC who has to tell her daughter that she lost her arm in a botched > abortion attempt. Yes, and I'd hate to have been the one to tell Dr Gunn's children that he was murdered by a religious, ""pro-life"" fanatic. Please do try to stay relevant. > >The kindest thing I can say about these responses of yours is > >that I can see you are trying to say something, but the result > >is a mish-mash of negligible value. > Sez you. Clever comeback. I congratulate you on the readiness of your wit. > > In Article 164906 in talk.politics.misc,decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com > (dean.kaflowitz) writes: > > [Ground covered in another post deleted] > > >> >If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly > >> >have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward > >> >their children. > >> > >> And no parent can be forced to supply bodily resources toward their children, > >> even if necessary to save the child's life. > > >As was this. To make it painfully clear, you are not > >obligated to donate a kidney to save your child's life > >under law. > > Again, the confusion between ACTION {deliberately taking away the life > of a child} and INACTION {refusing to run out in front of a bus to save > a child}. What happened to that claim to bodily organs where life is at stake? Why does this parent now have an indisputable right to his or her kidney when previously the parent did not, by your standards? What is different about the two situations? I see I have to spell this out for you since the meaning was too subtle for you. In the one case you do not recognize a difference between a fetus and a born child (you ask why a born child cannot be abandoned but a fetus can), and in this case you recognize a significant difference between the fetus and born child where the lives of the two are at stake. You can't have it both ways. Action and inaction are irrelevant to the principle, but you are wrong about the inaction anyway. Ask any of the numerous women who post here and have borne children how inactive their pregnancy was. To have a healthy, live child, a woman does more than hang out, eat as she chooses, plays volleyball like she always did, drinks at parties with her friends, etc. She behaves very differently, and the provision of her resources to a fetus may be no more voluntary than the beating of her heart, but it is far from inactive. Dean Kaflowitz " 11086,8,"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing Nntp-Posting-Host: binky Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.013752.22843@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of > Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker? I thought I posted this last year. The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting. My lawyer didn't like the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything. The net result was a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her. The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35 while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me... - Roid " 11087,2,"From: jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) Subject: Re: Looking for printer driver Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 12 jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) writes: > I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody > happen to know where I could find such a beast? Uh... slight clarification: That should be a printer driver for the c.itoh LIPS10 laser printer. Thanks again > > Thanks in advance, > Jerry -- ""Look ma! No .signature!"" " 11088,0,"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 51 In <11836@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >> >> >>> Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the >>> existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe >>> because of their pride"" mistake. >> >>How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it >>be wrong >>to fall into the trap that you mentioned? >> > If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That > he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his > undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes. What are the volumes that it speaks besides the fact that he leaves your choices up to you? > As for the trap, you are not in a position to tell me that I don't > believe in god because I do not wish to. Unless you can know my > motivations better than I do myself, you should believe me when I > say that I earnestly searched for god for years and never found > him. I definitely agree that it's rather presumptuous for either ""side"" to give some psychological reasoning for another's belief. MAC >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. " 11089,3,"From: penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Reply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu Organization: Rockefeller University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: usa X-Posted-From: venezia.rockefeller.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 19 On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote: | I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. | I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. | What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work | under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between 5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the interface between the controller and the memory. My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. " 11090,17,"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 In-Reply-To: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04: 57:08 GMT Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project Lines: 54 David posts a good translation of a post by Suat Kinikliouglu: [most of the original post elided] [KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR ***** In translation, as a public service: [most of the translation elided] ***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING FILTH OFF SOULS ***** I think this part of the translation is questionable. Although I think the original quote is plain silly, you made it sound as if it is coming from a neo-nazi youth. For example, Turks talk of a ""motherland"" not a Germanic ""fatherland"". Why ""filth"" instead of ""dirt""? The indeterminacy of translation is a well-known problem [1] so one may have to ""fudge"", but with some care of course. Is the following an equally valid translation? The love of one's country is the strongest wind to cleanse one's soul. See my point? Nevertheless, I think you translate well. oz --- [1] Willard Van Orman Quine Word and Object MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass 1960 " 11091,10,"From: formeza@panix.com (The Owl) Subject: Re: Rangers Top Ten Keywords: Rangers Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 28 In <120365@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: >> >>7. Carol Alt, Head Coach In 93-94? >I wish! She can be *my* head coach any time!!!! (Sorry Ali! Back to >real hockey.) Hmmmmmm. I think I'll let everyone make there own comment on this one. >>THE BAD >> >>Alexei Kovalev. >>What did the Rangers think when they signed him? Did they think he >>was another Domi? Just let him play! And not on a 4th line. Better >>that he stays in the minors and gets ice-time ALL the time. >Whose ""bad""? It has been Neilson and Smith's decision to play him there, >if that's what you mean, then that's bad. But Kovalev himself is a very >good player. You're right, if he weren't stranded on the fourth line >maybe he'd produce. Sound familiar? Darren Turcotte? Neilson and Smith are bad. Kovalev is magical. Lets Go Pens! The Owl " 11092,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. Revelation 21:7 " 11093,6,"From: Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu (Steve Teolis) Subject: Re: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE *** Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 38 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.75.24 >TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with: > 1 Controller > AC Adapter > Antenna hookup > * Games: > Kieth Courage > Victory Run > Fantasy Zone > Military Madness > Battle Royal > Legendary Axe > Blazing Lasers > Bloody Wolf > > -------------------------------------- >* Will sell games separatley at $25 each > -------------------------------------- Your kidding, $210.00, man o man, you can buy the system new for $49.00 at Electronic Boutique and those games are only about $15 - $20.00 brand new. Maybe you should think about that price again if you REALLY need the money. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wayne State University Steve Teolis 6050 Cass Ave. # 238 Detroit, MI 48202 Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- " 11094,13,"Subject: Re: Broken rib From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C. Keywords: advice needed Summary: thanx for the comeback Lines: 7 Hello , I think you are probaly right, in spite of the movement it is getting better each day. cheers jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross) The Old Frog's Almanac (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group) (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Vancouver Island, British Columbia Waffle XENIX 1.64 " 11095,3,"From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) Subject: Re: Winjet accelerator card Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca In wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) writes: > WinJet is not a video card -- it's _printer_ accelerator manufactured > by LaserMaster (Eden Prairie, MN). I know there's a WinJet for the LaserJet and there's also a WinJet accelerator video card. This is probably not available in the US, but I am sure it is being marketed in Canada. I thought you guys over there would have heard some- thing about it. " 11096,1,"From: max@slinky.NYU.EDU (David Max) Subject: 24bit mode on Speedstar 24X Summary: Routines for 24 bit color on Speedstar 24X? Keywords: Diamond Speedstar 24X 24bit 16.7 Organization: New York University Lines: 12 I have a Diamond Speedstar 24X board that I want to program for 24 bit 640x480 graphics, or possibly 800x600 16 bit color. Does anybody have any libraries supporting these modes on this board? Even somes simple routines to set the graphics mode and plot individual pixels would be a great help. I plan to use the routines with djgp. Thanks in advance. Please respond also via e-mail. David Max max@slinky.cs.nyu.edu " 11097,18,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 55 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: |>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything |>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out. |> |> That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer |>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough |>proof it was there for just a tad bit more. Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. They certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this was not necessarily their true position. |>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty |>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock |>>set in. |> |> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had ""wide powers."" I was under the |>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and |>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted |>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.) The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question. The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914 and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body. |> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely |>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their |>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed |>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act |>as a check on the more-often elected House. The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up a bit too slow. |> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be |>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You'll note that while the |>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about |>a ""veto"" by the Senate. The Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent of being a check on unreasonable legislation. The veto was clearly regarded as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive. the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives of the states is not a reasonable restriction. " 11098,9,"From: 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: ALL-TIME PEAK PLAYERS Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's Lines: 195 Last week I posted the ALL-TIME GREATEST PLAYERS (and haphazardly misspelled several names--SORRY!) This week, it's time for the greatest PEAK players. I evaluated the following players on 4 consectutive seasons which constituted their ""prime"" or ""peak"" years. (3 was too few; 5 seemed to many--so I settled for 4). Sources, as usual, include Total Baseball 1993 and my own (biased) opinions. Here goes, feel free to comment. 1. Ted Williams (includes season after war)--missed actual peak years 2. Babe Ruth 3. Walter Johnson 4. Mickey Mantle 5. Mike Schmidt (actual peak year shortened by strike) 6. Barrry Bonds (currently at peak) 7. Honus Wagner 8. Ty Cobb 9. Tris Speaker 10. Willie Mays 11. Lefty Grove 12. Sandy Koufax 13. Joe Morgan 14. Ed Walsh 15. Christy Mathewson 16. Lou Gehrig 17. Jimmie Foxx 18. Cal Ripken Jr. 19. Pete Alexander 20. Cy Young 21. Tim Raines 22. Rickey Henderson (again, strike year '81 included) 23. Carl Yastrzemski 24. Jackie Robinson 25. Joe DiMaggio 26. Rogers Hornsby 27. George Sisler 28. Eddie Collins 29. Hank Aaron 30. Stan Musial 31. Joe Jackson 32. Wade Boggs 33. Charlie Gehringer 34. Ernie Banks 35. Bob Gibson 36. Carl Hubbell 37. Robin Yount 38. Rod Carew 39. Chuck Klein 40. Willie McCovey 41. Frank Robinson 42. Tom Seaver 43. Roger Clemens (arguably, still in peak) 44. Mel Ott 45. Frank Baker 46. Nap Lajoie (peak came in suspect league) 47. Dizzy Trout 48. George Brett 49. Mordecai Brown 50. Ryne Sandberg 1B Peak 1) Gehrig 2) Foxx 3) Sisler 4) McCovey 5) Greenberg 6) Frank Thomas (projected--sorry) 7) Dick Allen 8) Johnny Mize 9) Eddie Murray (yes, Mr.Consistency had a peak) 10) Bill Terry 2B 1) Morgan 2) J.Robinson 3) Collins 4) Hornsby 5) Gehringer 6) Carew (treated as a 2B, even though played 1B) 7) Sandberg 8) Bobby Grich 9) Nap Lajoie 10) Bill Herman, Mazeroski (tough call) 3B) 1) Schmidt 2) Boggs 3) F.Baker 4) Brett 5) Ed Mathews 6) Ron Santo 7) Harland Clift 8) Ken Boyer 9) Buddy Bell 10) Darrell Evans SS 1) Wagner 2) Ripken 3) Banks 4) Yount 5) John Lloyd (estimated) 6) Arky Vaughan 7) Barry Larkin (still in peak?) 8) Lou Boudreau 9) Ozzie Smith 10) Joe Sewell LF 1) Williams 2) Ba.Bonds 3) Raines 4) Henderson (actually had 2 peaks; 80-83 & 83-86) 5) Yastrzemski 6) Musial 7) J.Jackson 8) Ralph Kiner 9) Al Simmons 10) George Foster 11) Willie Stargell CF 1) Mantle 2) Cobb 3) Speaker 4) Mays 5) DiMaggio 6) Oscar Charleston (again, estimated) 7) Duke Snider 8) Ken Griffey Jr. (personal assumption) 9) Kirby Puckett 10) Richie Ashburn 11) Dale Murphy (strike season?) RF 1) Ruth 2) Aaron 3) Klein 4) F.Robinson 5) Ott 6) Roberto Clemente 7) Tony Gwynn 8) Dave Parker 9) Reggie Jackson 10) Harry Heilmann 11) Jose Canseco 12) Darryl Strawberry C 1) Josh Gibson (estimated) 2) Mickey Cochrane 3) Gary Carter 4) Johnny Bench 5) Roy Campanella 6) Yogi Berra 7) Bill Dickey 8) Gabby Hartnett 9) Elston Howard 10) Ted Simmons 11) Joe Torre P 1) W.Johnson 2) Grove 3) Koufax 4) Walsh 5) Mathewson 6) Alexander 7) Young 8) Gibson 9) Hubbell 10) Seaver 11) Clemens 12) Satchel Paige (estimated) 13) D.Trout 14) Juan Marichal 15) Mordecai Brown 16) Joe Wood 17) Dave Steib 18) Jim Palmer 19) Bob Lemon 20) Fergie Jenkins RP 1) Who cares? I hope there are some surprises here: Raines above Muisial? Carter above Bench? Ripken above Banks? Bonds above Mays? Check the numbers of each player in comparison to the numbers of the rest of the players that year(s), and you'll see that I'm fairly close with this ranking system (which is primarily based on Total Player Rating) for four consecutive years. Enjoy, Mike " 11099,5,"From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? Organization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project Lines: 8 I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group near death? -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! #include " 11100,2,"From: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 14 Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person, and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an implentation of simultaneuos use though. Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Reimert \ reimert@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com /Standard disclaimer: Redondo Beach, CA \______________________________________/""Blah blah blah ... "" __________________|Always store beer in a cool dark place|_____________________ " 11101,7,"From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs) Subject: Ignition kill Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 8 I just wanted to thank all the netters out there who either posted a response or sent e-mail regarding my ignition kill question. Now that I know how simple a procedure it is, it looks like I'll be paying my local Pep Boys a visit this weekend.... -Mik " 11102,15,"From: XOPR131@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Gerald McPherson) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Lines: 42 In Tim asks: >I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but >definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion >about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the >effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus >as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, >buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not >believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be >lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only >god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. > This is probably too simplistic for some, but John 3:16 saus, ""For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life"". Genesis 15:6, ""And he (Abram) believed the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness"". I don't find anywhere that God restricts heaven to particular ethnic groups or religious denominations or any other category that we humans like to drop people into. But He does REQUIRE that we believe and trust Him. In Hebrews it says that God spoke of old by the prophets (the old testament), but in these last days he has spoken to us by His son Jesus Christ. And we learn of Him through the pages of the New Testament. The Bible tells us what we need to believe. For those who have never heard, I leave them in God's capable care, He will make himself known as he desires. It behooves each one of us to act upon the knowledge we have. If you reject the claims of Jesus, and still go to heaven, then the joke's on me. If you reject him and go to hell, that's no joke, but it will be final. Gerry ============================ The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. ============================ " 11103,18,"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article <15378@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: > > Male sex survey: Gay activity low > > A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough > examination of American men's sexual practices published since > the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 > percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and > 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. Actually, what the study shows is that 2 percent of the men surveyed *said* they engaged in homosexual sex and 1 percent *said* they considered themselves exclusively homosexual. The point being that what people say and what they acutally do may be different. It is interesting that this clip from the newspaper did not mention that difference. Maybe it is conservative media bias. :-) > The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday > by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than > the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional > wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) " 11104,2,"From: Jesse Subject: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Originator: cyen@ponder.csci.unt.edu Keywords: ms-windows Organization: Computer Science Dept. of UNT Distribution: usa Lines: 39 hi, Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would know if ms-windows is a ""mature"" OS. Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft simulated Mac, but it did a lousy job. For example: (1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.) (2) Too many system parameters to take care of. (3) uncomplete documentation. It's not easy to find the reason why causes an unpredictable error. (4) Group deleting/file deleting After deleting a group, users have to use file manager to delete files. But if users forget to delete some related files, the disk will be full of nonsense files. (5) share problem Once you create two windows doing compilation and editing in some language (w/o good editor), there will be a sharing problem. You just can not open or save the program if it is loaded. It makes sense to prevent from saving, but not opening. Microsoft try to compromise between DOS and windows, but they just make ms-windows a graphical DOS with capacity doing mutiple DOS jobs; the worst thing is they complicate the environment. The orginal purpose of ms-windows should be to simplify the environment, and make PC easier to use. It's by no means easy to satisfy everybody, but if Microsoft want to keep their reputations, they should evaluate the user interface more carefully before products distribute. No flame, please. Jesse e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu " 11105,7,"From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) Subject: Re: Was ""Re: Safety"": From how far can you see a car ? Organization: CDAC, WA Distribution: na Lines: 95 In article simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson) writes: >ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: >> You will be surprised at the number of people who forget their glasses >> while driving. And then there are the people who just plain don't get >> their eyes checked once a year. > >As someone who has lousy vision, I can see objects at a distance without >my glasses. However, they are quite fuzzy and I may not be able to make >out the details. But I can certainly tell that SOMETHING is there. I won't argue too much about anything. I am probably one of those that think that we can't have enough safety on the roads. I would gladly sacrifice distractions (as you call it), than someone having trouble seeing danger earlier. One saved life justifies more than my lifetime of ""distractions"" for me. >> And then there is dawn and dusk. When your eyes have not yet adjusted >> to the poor light. And there are those who drive black/grey cars. And >> then there is the case where you are driving down a two-way one lane >> road, and someone is overtaking cars, and coming the opposite direction >> doesn't see you because your lights are not on. Or vice versa. At 60mph, >> that is quite a small reaction time. But of course, we are too macho to >> think we are invincible and can react faster than that.... Only the poor >> sod who you didn't see might not have a normal life ever... > >I worked out the reaction time in a previous post and its PLENTY, even for >an 80 year old grandma, as long as speeds are in the 60 MPH range or less. >If you or some other driver is going way faster than that, then be careful. > >As always, you are responsible for your driving actions. If you pull out to >pass and crash into someone (for whatever reason) its YOUR fault. If you can't Problem is that, I may just kill the guy. I agree that I would be at fault, and I will have my license revoked, why, I might even go to the gas chamber. But the fact still remains that the guy is dead. Someone died because I was too stingy to put on my lights. >see a damn thing, then you shouldn't be driving -- lights fail, fallen trees >or rocks don't have lights, etc.... I maintain that headlight strength The ratio of the probability of fallen trees/rocks on the roads to oncoming traffic is too low to even be considered. The difference is also working on what we *know* could happen, to what *might* happen. >running lights are not necessary for motorists who drive around 60MPH. It may >be a good idea to force the running or headlights on when you turn your >windshield wipers on, but only because some people are too stupid to do so. >If you crash into one of those idiots, you have to fight it out in court to >show his neglegence (if you can even prove it). >> Just out of curiosity, how much gas-milage do you loose when you put >> your lights on? And how much do you reduce the life of your head-lamps? >> And what is the cost of your headlamps anyway? > >Mileage is certainly reduced, but by a very very small amount (probably >about 110 watts for head and running lights). This is an extra 1/7 horsepower >that must be made by the engine. It may be that this will cost you around two >gallons a year. But times 200 million cars, that's a lot of gas. Compared to the number of gallons of gas consumed by those 200 million cars, it is miniscule! Whatever..... 'tis a pity I have to share the same roads with a person not concerned with safety. -S ssave@ole.cdac.com >Lamp life is measured in hours. So if you normally drive in half daylight and >half night, your lamps will have to be replaced twice as often. Headlamps >only cost about $10US for most halogen lamps. > >The cost to the individual is trivial and to me is not the issue. What I >don't like is the distractions all these cars with headlights cause. I don't >need to constantly see the headlights of the vehicle behind me. I don't need >to see the headlights of every gosh darn car for a mile down the road. These >lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and >bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes >too. > >A stream of taillights is tolerable as are the orange front running lights. >This is certainly sufficient for other people to see you (if they look) and >doesn't distract me nearly as much as full power headlights. > > Mark " 11106,15,"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 55 dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: > Unfaithfully yours, > Pixie > p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >it blindly? > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > I defy any theist to reply. Dear Defiant (or Unfaithful or Pixie): I will take up the challenge to reply, as I am a theist. The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence of God could not be proven. That His existence can be proven by reason is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, ""Traditional Proofs for the Existence of God,"" and Summa Theologica). Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason, I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith. Why? Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter, the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order to the universe (logos). I next assert that God is all good. If this is so, then that which is contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good. And, since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship. Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah. Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6). If this claim is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate. You next seem to have a problem with authority. Have you tried the United States Marine Corps yet? I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent instructor in authority. If you have not yet had the privilege, I will reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned, and thus must be followed blindly. One may NOT deny the truth. For example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could have denied that it happened, but he did not. The laws of physics must be obeyed whether a human likes them or not. They are true. Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied. QED -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) " 11107,1,"From: talluri@osage.csc.ti.com (Raj Talluri) Subject: Point of intersection of n lines Keywords: robust statistics Nntp-Posting-Host: osage Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 21 Hi, Can anybody suggest robust algorithms/code for computing the point of intersection on n, 2-d lines in a plane. The data has outliers and hence a simple least squares technique does not seem to provide satifactory results. Please respond by e-mail and I will post the summary to the newsgroups if there is sufficient interest. Thanks, Raj Talluri Member Technical Staff Image Understanding Branch Texas Instruments Central Research Labs Dallas, Texas 75248 talluri@csc.ti.com " 11108,2,From: jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) Subject: Re: Is Anyone Using Video For Windows? Keywords: Video Windows Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Distribution: na Lines: 4 My suggestion would be to contact Microsoft about the Video4Windows SDK. You would need to call Developer Services at (800)227-4679 extension 11771 from 6:30am to 5:30pm Pacific time. 11109,10,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr16.185823.6310@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >Interestingly, Keenan's co-coach (or is it his ""Number One""?) on Team >Canada at the World Championships is Roger Neilsen. > But ultimately their hockey philosophies are like night and day... Keenan believes in pressuring the opposition and taking the initiative (within the limits of his system)...while Roger has a reactive hockey philosophy...which is why Messier will be able to and has played for Keenan, but thought Roger's way was a sure loser. >It'd be interesting if the Rangers call in the balance of Neilsen's >contract to be Keenan's assistant ... Roger did do a very good job >with the mediocre players, just as he handled the Cinderella Canucks >of 10 years ago ... but his mistake was playing the Rangers like those >Canucks last May ... > Roger is a great assistant coach...but considering what must be bad blood between Nielson and Messier, it would be a mistake to bring him back even in that role. Gerald " 11110,12,"From: baldur@rsp.is (Baldur Thorgilsson) Subject: receiver system Summary: multi channel receiver system? Keywords: telemetry, receiver system Organization: National Hospitals, Iceland Lines: 19 Dear Netters I want to send EMG-signals from a running person to a computer. Each signal is 4KHz wide and there is up to 30 of them on each running person. The signal is only to be sent over a few hundred meters. It seems to me that the frequency intended for this use is about 150MHz and about 440MHz. To make the transmitters as light as possible I suppose it will be best the to send the signals in an analog form. As this application is rather specialized I do not expect to be able to buy the exact transmitter- units i need. On the other hand I imagine that I can buy the receiver somewhere. I need a multichannel (up to 30 channels) receiver or 30 complete receivers in some rack system where one can add as many receivers as needed in the particular case. DO ANYBODY KNOW IF THERE IS EXISTING SUCH RECEIVER SYSTEM ON THE MARKET? baldur@rsp.is (TF3BP) (please respond by email rather than nn) " 11111,4,"From: bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Ben Chuang) Subject: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet. Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu Here is the story: I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem. Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT, and then telnet out again to the rest of the world. What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do the trick. Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that there aren't going to be any. Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well... thanks in advance. -- _______________________________________________________________ Benjamin S. Chuang/ITD-CSS Consultant/University of Michigan:A2 Benjamin.Chuang@um.cc.umich.edu (consulting & referals here) bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Unix and long messages here) " 11112,4,"From: maarten@fwi.uva.nl (Maarten Carels) Subject: Re: SIMM vs DRAM Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.fwi.uva.nl Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam Lines: 16 Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Greene) writes: >Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 256K DRAM chip and a >256K SIMM? I need the former (I think) to add memory to my Laserwriter >LS. Someone is offering to sell me 256K SIMMS he removed from an SE, but >I have a feeling this may not be the correct form of memory. The sockets >in the Laserwriter look like they want the spidery-shaped chips (there >are 4 sockets, each with, as I recall, 20 pins, arranged in two rows of 10). >Believe it or not, I've never actually seen a SIMM. Help appreciated. A SIMM is a small PCB with DRAM chips soldered on. --maarten -- In real life: Maarten Carels Computer Science Department University of Amsterdam email: maarten@fwi.uva.nl " 11113,6,"From: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com (Chris Holmes) Subject: CASIO CZ-101 49 key synth $125/BO Reply-To: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com Organization: Data General Corporation, Westborough, MA Lines: 29 OK... I've done a little research and the price I've been asking was a BIT high. So... Casio CZ-101 Synthesizer $125 or best offer Features: uses FM modulation to create sounds -- programmable ADSR envelopes for each of 2 DCA's (amplitude), 2 DCW's (pitch, like a VCF), and 2 DCO's (waveform, like VCO) with up to 8 steps for each 16 preset sounds, 8 more in memory, 8 more still in RAM cartridge. 49 stubby keys Pitch Bend Wheel MIDI in/out ports Includes: All the manuals you could ever want AC adapter (can use 6 D batteries) Line cord 1 RAM cartridge -- holds 8 additional sounds I'll throw in a bunch of sheet music and ""Play Rock Keyboards"" too. -- -----------------------------+------------------------------------------------ Christopher Holmes | Do not insert this email in the ear canal. Terminals Development Group | My evil twin blew up the World Trade Center Data General Corporation | and all I got was this stupid .sig file! Westboro, MA | Internet: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com " 11114,10,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Stan Fischler, 4/4 Summary: From the Devils pregame show, prior to hosting the Penguins Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 32 At the Lester Patrick Awards lunch, Bill Torrey mentioned that one of his options next season is to be president of the Miami team, with Bob Clarke working for him. At the same dinner, Clarke said that his worst mistake in Philadelphia was letting Mike Keenan go -- in retrospect, almost all players came realize that Keenan knew what it took to win. Rumours are now circulating that Keenan will be back with the Flyers. Nick Polano is sick of being a scapegoat for the schedule made for the Red Wings; After all, Bryan Murray approved it. Gerry Meehan and John Muckler are worried over the Sabres' prospects; Assistant Don Lever says that the Sabres have to get their share now, because a Quebec dynasty is emerging ... The Mighty Ducks have declared that they will not throw money around loosely to buy a team. Oilers coach Ted Green remarked that ""There some guys around who can fill Tie Domi's skates, but none who can fill his helmet."" Senators' Andrew McBain told off a security guard at Chicago Stadium who warned him of the stairs leading down to the locker room; McBain mouthed off at him, after all being a seasoned professional ... and tumbled down the entire steep flight. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley " 11115,10,"From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki) Subject: New Franchise name Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 31 The new name is Florida Panthers. The panther is an endangered species, mostly located in the Everglades. A couple of years ago, there were license plates made with Panthers on them (part of the revenue were to go to some protection fund). The name of the new President of the Panthers should be announced today. As of yesterday's paper, Huizenga's new hockey team will take the ice at the Miami Arena this fall. The team has a guaranteed two-year lease with the arena, with four one-year options that could run through 1999. ""It's not our choice"", James Blosser, a lawyer and Huizenga Aid said about ruling out the arena as a long term option. ""The NHL told us we can't stay there. It's not economically feasible."" One reason is because the Miami Heat basketball team controls skybox and advertising revenue at the arena, reducing the hockey team's profit potential. The hockey team is attracting arena site proposals from Broward, Dade, and Palm Beach counties. A leading site is vacant land near Joe Robbie Stadium, where residents 10 days ago agreed to drop their opposition to a hockey arena, ending an eight-year battle of wills. Compliments of the News/Sun-Sentinel. Jim G. ""Fitz...Sanchez...Castranova..."" " 11116,3,"From: ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) Subject: Re: pc-X Distribution: usa Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] To following up my own note: Ted Richards (ted@isgtec.com) wrote: : Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote: : : : : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed : : with the speed. I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC : : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to : : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I : : did 'cat file' where ""file"" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and : : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link, : : 270 chars/sec. Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same : : ""cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec. BTW, I use NCD PC XView : : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over : : a LAN and like that just fine. The same 'cat file' scrolls by in : : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection. I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines) under various scenarios: PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16): 18 sec Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256): 107 sec! Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA): 11 sec Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256): 30 sec UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256): gave up after 4 min! UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256): faster, but gave up after 2 min UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg 30 sec, could have been a little faster (I had to keep hitting the space bar) I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way. So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty good). I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font, and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times. The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing. -- Ted Richards ted@isgtec.com [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted] ISG Technologies Inc. 6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga Ont. Canada L4V 1S7 " 11117,4,"From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng) Subject: Re: Centris Cache & Bernoulli Box Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 7 You will need Driver ver 3.5.2 to work with Quadra/Centris. You can download it from iomega BBS: 1-801-778-4400 -- Dominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) Computer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada " 11118,13,"Subject: What are knots? From: ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) Nntp-Posting-Host: husc11.harvard.edu Lines: 8 What exactly are knots, those sore, tight spots in your muscles? In certain kinds of massage, people try and break up these knots; it this really helpful? Ho Leung Ng ng4@husc.harvard.edu " 11119,8,"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 27 In article <13516@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, |> get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your |> whining. |> |> Fine. |> |> Fuck off too. Well it still looks like you've got an attitude problem Mr. Muttonhead. You should take the comments with more sensitivity. I still despise most people who belittle drinking and driving since my first girlfriend was killed by such an asshole back in '85. Learn to take the verbal abuse. If you can't take the flames, and you can't use your brains, stay out of the newsgroup. ============================================================================= = The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= = Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = = (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = = This company has no idea what I am talking about! = ============================================================================= " 11120,14,"From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) Subject: Re: space food sticks Keywords: food Article-I.D.: agate.1pr5u2$t0b Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu I had spacefood sticks just about every morning for breakfast in first and second grade (69-70, 70-71). They came in Chocolate, strawberry, and peanut butter and were cylinders about 10cm long and 1cm in diameter wrapped in yellow space foil (well, it seemed like space foil at the time). The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was most certainly more ""candy"" than say a modern ""Power Bar."" Sort of a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. Man, these were my ""60's."" -- Gavin Helf UC Berkeley Political Science Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu " 11121,14,"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Biosphere II Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net> Lines: 18 In <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net> Pat writes: >In article <19930408.043740.516@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes: >>In <1q09ud$ji0@access.digex.net> Pat writes: >>>Why is everyone being so critical of B2? >> Because it's bogus science, promoted as 'real' science. >It seems to me, that it's sorta a large engineering project more >then a science project. Bingo. >B2 is not bench science, but rather a large scale attempt to >re-create a series of micro-ecologies. what's so eveil about this? Nothing evil at all. There's no actual harm in what they're doing, only how they represent it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private) " 11122,19,"From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW, PART-2 Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 125 The following is an introduction as to who is Muhammad SAW as will be covered with this treatise. MUHAMMAD peace and blessings of Allah be upon him (SAW) is the last prophet of Islam. He is the Prophet who is revealed the last Holy Scripture, Qur'an, by Allah SWA (all praise be to Him) through the Arch Angel Gabriel. He is the seal of all prophets till the day of judgement as stated in the Qur'an by Allah SWA (all praise be to Him). Muhammad SAW lived between 571-632 AC. All other prophethoods claimed after Muhammad SAW, is a treason against Islam, against Qur'an, against the message of Allah SWA. Muhammad SAW is from the seed of Ishmael, another messenger of Allah and son of Abraham also a messenger of Allah. He is the Messenger that previous holy scriptures foretold his coming. The above mentioned verse from the Qur'an is from Chapter 33, Verse 40 whose rough translation is as follows: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the messenger of Allah, and the seal of the prophets, and Allah has full knowledge of all things. --------------------- Commentary on the above verse: When a document is sealed, it is complete, and there can be no further addition. The Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW closed the long line of Messengers. Allah's teaching is and will always be continuous, but there has been and will be NO Prophet after Muhammad SAW. The later ages will want thinkers, and revivers, not Prophets. This is not an arbitrary matter. It is a decree full of knowledge and wisdom, ""for Allah has full knowledge of all things."" ---------------------- DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 2 A D R O P L E T From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor VOL 1, No 11, Part 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------ NINETEENTH LETTER MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI (A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW) (continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 1) SECOND SIGN: The Noble Messenger (SAW) declared His prophethood, and presented to humanity a decree as the Glorious Qur'an and manifest miracles which number, according to the scholars, one thousand. The occurrence of those miracles in their entirety is as certain as the fact that He declared himself prophet. In fact, as a shown by the words of the most obstinate unbelievers quoted in various places of the Wise Our'an, even they could not deny the occurrence of His miracles, but only called them -hasha wa kella!-(Allah forbids) sorcery, in order to satisfy themselves, or to deceive their followers. The miracles of Muhammad (SAW) have the certainty of confirmation by consensus of Ulema (scholars of Islam) to the hundreth degree. The Miracle is the conformation by the CREATOR of the universe of His declaration of Prophethood; it has the effect of the words,'You have indeed spoken the truth !' Suppose that you said in the assembly of a ruler, while being observed by Him, 'The true ruler has appointed me to such and such position. 'At a time when you were asked to prove your claim, the word 'Yes' uttered by the ruler would sufficiently support you. Or, if the ruler changed his usual practice and attitude at your request, this would confirm your claim even more soundly and more definitely than would the word 'Yes.' In the same way, ALLAH's Most Noble Messenger claimed: 'I am the envoy of the CREATOR of this universe. My proof is that He will change His unbroken order at my request and my prayer. Now look at my fingers: He makes them run like a fountain with five spigots. Look at the moon: by a gesture of my finger, He splits it in two. Look at that tree: to affirm me, and to bear witness to me, it moves and comes near to me. Look at this food: although it is barely enough for two or three men, it satisfies two or three hundred. 'Further he shows hundreds of similar miracles. However, the evidences of the veracity of this high being and the proofs of his prophethood are not restricted to his miracles. All his deeds and acts, his words and behavior, his moral conduct and manners, his character and appearance prove to the attentive his truthfulness and seriousness. Indeed, many people such as Abdullah b. Salam, the famous scholar of the Children of Israel, came to belief merely by seeing him, and said, 'No lie can hide in this face, nor can any fraud be found in it!' Although many of the researchers have concluded that the proofs of the prophethood of Muhammad and his miracles number about one thousand, there are thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of proofs of his prophethood. And hundreds of thousands of truth-seeking men (muhakkikiin) with varying opinions have affirmed his prophethood in an equal number of ways. The Wise Our'an alone demonstrates thousands of the proofs of his prophethood, in addition to its own forty aspects of miraculousness. Since prophethood is as a phenomenon of humanity, and hundreds of thousands of individuals who claimed prophethood and performed miracles have lived and passed away; then, the prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) is of a certanity superior to that of the prophethood of all the others. For whatever evidences, qualities and attributes became the means of the prophethood and messengership of all the messengers such as Jesus (AS) and Moses (AS), they are all owned in a more perfect and comprehensive fashion by Muhammad (SAW). And since the causes and means of prophetic authority exist more perfectly in the person of Muhammad (SAW), this authority is to be found in him with more certanity than all the other prophets. ----------------------------------------------------------------- To be Continued Allah Willing. Irfan Alan, A Servant of Islam. " 11123,17,"From: DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Clintons views on Jerusalem Organization: C.C.S.O. Lines: 10 It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and other participating neighboring contries). I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from politicians. ----- David Shalhevet / dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu / University of Illinois Dept Anim Sci / 220 PABL / 1201 W. Gregory Dr. / Urbana, IL 61801 " 11124,9,"From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) Subject: A.L. East is best in baseball! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 27 Is there any doubt that this is true? After a few down years, the A.L. East is back to where it was in the early eighties. With the emergence of the O's and the Yanks, it is far and away the best. While the N.L. West has the best team in baseball, and the Reds aren't bad either, they have nothing else. The Giants, Astros, and Padres all have talent, they do not have the all arounf teams that are found in the A.L. East. And the Dodgers just plain suck. As for the Rockies, who knows? The A.L. East has the defending champs, and although they lost a lot to free agency, Toronto is still one of the best in baseball. The Orioles have the preseason favorite to win the Cy Young in Mike Mussina, and you can never forget about Ripken. The signings of Harold Baines and Harold Reynolds don't hurt to much either, although I always liked Bill Ripken. While they let a lot go this summer (Randy Milligan, Joe Orsulak, Bill Ripken, Bob Milacki, Sam Horn, Storm Davis, and Craig Lefferts), they kept the heart of their team intact. My predicted finish: 1. Baltimore (Could be a biased opinion) 2. NY Yankees 3. Toronto 4. Milwaukee 5. Detroit 6. Boston 7. Cleveland (Would have been higher if not for the accident) Go O's!!!!!!!! -- " 11125,6,"From: hungjenc@usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: test Article-I.D.: phakt.1pqgltINN9dg Distribution: na Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA test Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu " 11126,7,"From: maloney@badlands.NoDak.edu (Pat T Maloney) Subject: Pontiac e-mail Car clubs Nntp-Posting-Host: badlands.nodak.edu Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 8 I am interested to know if there is any Pontiac e-mail car clubs out there? Has anyone started one, or is anybody thinking about starting one. Thanks for any info you can give me maloney@badlands.NoDak.edu " 11127,0,"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: THE POPE IS JEWISH! Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 47 west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: >The pope is jewish.... I guess they're right, and I always thought that >the thing on his head was just a fancy hat, not a Jewish headpiece (I >don't remember the name). It's all so clear now (clear as mud.) As to what that headpiece is.... (by chort@crl.nmsu.edu) SOURCE: AP NEWSWIRE The Vatican, Home Of Genetic Misfits? Michael A. Gillow, noted geneticist, has revealed some unusual data after working undercover in the Vatican for the past 18 years. ""The Popehat(tm) is actually an advanced bone spur."", reveals Gillow in his groundshaking report. Gillow, who had secretly studied the innermost workings of the Vatican since returning from Vietnam in a wheel chair, first approached the scientific community with his theory in the late 1950's. ""The whole hat thing, that was just a cover up. The Vatican didn't want the Catholic Community(tm) to realize their leader was hefting nearly 8 kilograms of extraneous bone tissue on the top of his skull."", notes Gillow in his report. ""There are whole laboratories in the Vatican that experiment with tissue transplants and bone marrow experiments. What started as a genetic fluke in the mid 1400's is now scientifically engineered and bred for. The whole bone transplant idea started in the mid sixties inspired by doctor Timothy Leary transplanting deer bone cells into small white rats."" Gillow is quick to point out the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II and the disappearance of Dr. Leary from the public eye. ""When it becomes time to replace the pope"", says Gillow, ""The old pope and the replacement pope are locked in a padded chamber. They butt heads much like male yaks fighting for dominance of the herd. The victor emerges and has earned the privilege of inseminating the choir boys."" P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza " 11128,4,"From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr) Subject: Re: Sigma Designs Double up?? Article-I.D.: ux1.C52u8x.B62 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 29 jap10@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Pellettiere) writes: > I am looking for any information about the Sigma Designs > double up board. All I can figure out is that it is a > hardware compression board that works with AutoDoubler, but > I am not sure about this. Also how much would one cost? I've had the board for over a year, and it does work with Diskdoubler, but not with Autodoubler, due to a licensing problem with Stac Technologies, the owners of the board's compression technology. (I'm writing this from memory; I've lost the reference. Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Using the board, I've had problems with file icons being lost, but it's hard to say whether it's the board's fault or something else; however, if I decompress the troubled file and recompress it without the board, the icon usually reappears. Because of the above mentioned licensing problem, the freeware expansion utility DD Expand will not decompress a board-compressed file unless you have the board installed. Since Stac has its own product now, it seems unlikely that the holes in Autodoubler/Diskdoubler related to the board will be fixed. Which is sad, and makes me very reluctant to buy Stac's product since they're being so stinky. (But hey, that's competition.) -- Stan Kerr Computing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana Phone: 217-333-5217 Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu " 11129,10,"From: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Subject: Re: CBC Game Choices (was LA ON CBC...) Reply-To: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 39 In a previous article, 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca () says: >In article , boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: >> >> CBC had a great chance for some double headers: Toronto/Detroit >> and Vancouver/Winnipeg, but today they said that the East gets the Leafs >> and the West get the Vancouver game. I thought that they would show them >> both. I'm totally p*-o'd, too! Vancouver-Winnipeg is great west-coast hockey - fast-paced and loads of talent. What I've seen so far is hardly entertaining, with the exception of the odd shift every now & then (of course I missed Calgary-LA & Pitts-Jersey...) >No, because the PINHEADS at CBC figure everyone here in Ontario cares >for the Leafs, the Maple Leafs, and nothing but the Leafs. Half of >Southern Ontario is people who moved from out west, but the good folks >in Toronto couldn't care less. They should show the doubleheader >(heck the second game would have two Canadian teams!), and let those >desperate for news watch The National on Newsworld, but they don't. >Why? Because Canada ends at Windsor, don'cha know! Grrrrr. Amen... >Now I have to get updates every 30 mins. on CNN Headline News, for >crying out loud... That's cheaper than what I do - PHONE CALLS. (There must be a better system - one ring, Adams to Linden, he SCORES; two rings Bure rushes up the ice, he SCORES, etc etc :-)) -- ad215@freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)] " 11130,1,"From: katkere@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (Arun Katkere) Subject: Re: cylinder and ray Reply-To: katkere@engin.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 19 In article <1qc1fgINNbv4@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, koehler@secs.ucsc.edu writes: |> I would be most thrilled if some kind person could help me with the following |> Given a cylinder in 3D -defined as a line segment between two points and |> a radius (e.g. Sx,Sy,Sz to Ex,Ey,Ez and r), what is the easiest (and not |> too expensive) way to find if a ray -defined as another line through two |> points -cuts through this cylinder and if so where? |> I think the test for touching is rather simple: if the closest approach |> of the two lines is less than r, then the ray does penetrate the cylinder. Nope, this won't work for a cylinder. You can have a line arbitrarily close to the the cylinder backbone, and yet not intersect it. The test works for a pillbox, though. (a cylinder with two hemispheres attached at the ends.) |> Thanks, |> Ryan (koehler@secs.ucsc.edu) -arun -- " 11131,9,"From: atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu (mark edward atchison) Subject: Re: Cleveland tragedy Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: cowardlylion.cis.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr5.121202.100648@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes: > I wonder if Ojeda will sue anyone - because his career may be over. Not due to the accident -- he just got a (really) bad haircut. Now, if you meant due to his floating fastball, well... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Mark Atchison, a.k.a. ; Graduate Student in the Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University) Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own... " 11132,3,"From: Thomas Dachsel Subject: BOOT PROBLEM with IDE controller Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 25 Hi, I've got a Multi I/O card (IDE controller + serial/parallel interface) and two floppy drives (5 1/4, 3 1/2) and a Quantum ProDrive 80AT connected to it. I was able to format the hard disk, but I could not boot from it. I can boot from drive A: (which disk drive does not matter) but if I remove the disk from drive A and press the reset switch, the LED of drive A: continues to glow, and the hard disk is not accessed at all. I guess this must be a problem of either the Multi I/o card or floppy disk drive settings (jumper configuration?) Does someone have any hint what could be the reason for it. Please reply by email to GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM Thanks, Thomas +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Dachsel | | Internet: GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM | | Fidonet: Thomas_Dachsel@camel.fido.de (2:247/40) | | Subnet: dachsel@rnivh.rni.sub.org (UUCP in Germany, now active) | | Phone: +49 6221 4150 (work), +49 6203 12274 (home) | | Fax: +49 6221 415101 | | Snail: SAS Institute GmbH, P.O.Box 105307, D-W-6900 Heidelberg | | Tagline: One bad sector can ruin a whole day... | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 11133,3,"From: luke@aero.org (Robert A. Luke) Subject: Help! Installing old HD on older Compaq XT Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org We are trying to install a donated hard disk (Miniscribe vintage 1988) on a supercheap ancient Compaq XT for use in education. The only problem is that the supercheap Compaq didn't come with the manual and I haven't been able to figure out how to start the SETUP program. I began using PCs after 286s were invented, so I have a couple of basic questions: 1. Did XT-class computers even *have* SETUP programs? 2. If they did (or, do), how do I access it? If anybody has any good advice on how to proceed or what to do next or what to look out for, please let me know. E-mail is best, but I'll also be watching the newsgroup postings. Thanks in advance, -Robert -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Luke Internet: luke@aero.org The Aerospace Corporation CompuServe: 71155,3011 ""Danger, Will Robinson!"" " 11134,14,"From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 18 Re: Space billboards Even easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon a time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered a ""Goodyear Blimp in orbit"". The idea was to use a large structure that could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has. Placed in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually be seen by almost everyone on Earth. Only our collective disapproval of cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing it. It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here because I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such a thing, go figure it out for yourself). Dani Eder -- Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. " 11135,18,"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr5.045612.14229@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: > [...] You're not breathing clean air provided by government > regulations, [...] If this doesn't beat all I ever heard! The above certainly says a mouthful about the mindset of Ted Frank, and also of statists everywhere. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | " 11136,0,"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 51 In-Reply-To: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:32:04 GMT X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu writes: > If some society came up with a good reason for why rape and murder are ok I > would be consistent with my position and hold that it was still wrong. My > basis of morality is not on societal norms, or on current legalities. My > basis is, surprise surprise, on both the Bible and on inherent moral > abhorrences, AH! But what, exactly, is ""inherently abhorrent"" and WHY is it so? What you're saying is, in effect, ""I think some things are repulsive, and I know a whole bunch of other people who agree with me, so they should be deemed absolutely immoral now and forever, period"". Which in and of itself is nice enough; to some extent I agree with you. But I do _not_ agree that things are 'inherently' or 'absolutely' immoral; they are labeled 'immoral' each for its own good reason, and if the reason can even theoretically change, then so can the label. [...] > Yes, that's vague, and the only way I know off the top of my head to > defend it is to say that all humans are similarly made. Yes, that falls > into the trap of creation, No it doesn't. Humans are to some extent similar, because we all belong to the same species; that that species has evolved is another story altogether. To a certain extent evolution can even lend credence to moral absolutism (of a flavour). [...] > My arguments are that it is better to exhibit trust, goodness, > love, respect, courage, and honesty in any society rather than deceipt, > hatred, disrespect, ""cowardness"", and dishonesty. You're saying morality is what'll keep society alive and kicking. It is, I think, up to a point; but societies are not all alike, and neither are their moralities. > No, I haven't been everywhere and > seen everyone, but, according to my thesis, I don't have to, since I hold that > we were all created similarly. Similar != identical. > If that makes an unfalsifiable thesis, just say > so, and I'll both work out what I can and punt to fellow theists. No, it's falsifiable through finding someoe who was ""created different"", whatever that might be in the ""real"" world. -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" " 11137,9,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992 -- Shortstop Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes: >In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 >> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, >>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few >>years may be a defensive liability. >That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... Why? Do you suppose he's immune to the ravages of time? He's 37. In a few years he'll be 40. He doesn't get to as many grounders as he used to, and will get to fewer still as his legs go, as they do on every human so far. Remember: Willie Mays was a defensive liability at he end of his career too. Ditto Mickey Mantle. Ditto just about everyone else who played into their late 30's. Roger >Brett Rogers >addison@leland.stanford.edu > > " 11138,10,"From: Anna Matyas Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.031823.11861@news.stolaf.edu> Joel Alvstad writes: >A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, >or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of >5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted >two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to >play. This is very sad indeed. My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are losing their team. I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. We should always enjoy things when we can. You never know when they'll be taken away from us. Mom. " 11139,19,"Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Catholic Right & Pat Robertson Lines: 49 The Roman Catholic conservatives are coming out in the open to line up with Pat Robertson and his ultra Right Wing Christian Coalition. Former Secretary of Education William Bennet, a Roman Catholic, stood beside the Christian Coalition's spokesman Ralph Reed at a March 3 conference in Washington. The purpose of the conference was to publish results of a Christian Coalition poll which was designed to prove that the Republican party would lose major support if it backed away from the ""Family Values"" positons of the '92 convention. Conservative Catholics have swung behind Robertson's organization with political expertise, legal assistance and high tech communications support. The Catholic Campaign for American, designed as a Catholic version of the Moral Majority, was founded by Marlene Elwell and Tom Wykes. Ms. Elwell has been with Robertson since the days of his Freedom Council in 1985 and worked for him in his presidential bid in 1988. Ms. Elwell was hired by Domino's Pizza magnate, Tom Monaghan, in 1989 to manage Legatus, a ""nonpolitical"", Catholic businessmen's group. Membership is limited to Catholics who head corporations with a least $4 million in annual revenues. Relying on a network of wealthy contacts at Legatus, Elwell and Wykes had little trouble forming and funding the Catholic Campaign. The Campaign's list of national committee members includes U.S. Rep. Robert K. Dornan, Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum, the lovely Pat Buchanan and Rev. Richard J. Neuhaus. Also on the national committee is Keith Fournier, a Catholic who heads Pat Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice. Another Catholic, Thomas Patrick Monaghan, senior counsel of Robertson's ACLJ, is also an active supporter of the Catholic Campaign. The board of directors includes Frank Shakespeare, broadcasting exec and former U.S. ambassador to the Pope, Wall Street executive Frank Lynch, former Reagan official Richard V. Allen, Bishop Rene Gracida of Corpus Christi and Mary Ellen Bork, wife of unsuccessful Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork. In the Winter 1992 issue of _Campaign Update_ the organization's quarterly newsletter, Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business executive wrote: ""Separation of church and state is a false premise that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of our constitution."" Oh yes, the organization's ""national ecclesisatical advisor"" is Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York. Jack Carroll " 11140,9,"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Distribution: na Lines: 30 >Something else to consider: >Alomar's H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga's was .486-.424 >and .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park. Not necessarily. It could mean that, or it could mean that he just hit a lot better at home than he did on the road (see Frank Thomas' home/road splits in '91 for an example). I would guess that some of Alomar's split is due to the Skydome, but most of it is probably due just to coincidence. There's no way to be sure, of course, but the only hitters the Skydome seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters, and Alomar is not a home run hitter. >I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P >rated Baerga higher, actually. Only because of t&P's bogus fielding stats, which rate Alomar as the worst defensive second baseman in the league. On a career basis, I think T&P's fielding stats may mean something, but on a seasonal basis it comes up with ridiculous results like this. Alomar may not be the god of fielding the media says he is, but he sure isn't the worst in baseball. Offensively, T&P rate Alomar much higher last year. Regarding the A vs. B argument, I'll just say they're both very good players with different strengths and a bright future. Greg " 11141,1,"From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink) Subject: Re: Looking for WMF Converter Keywords: WMF, windowsmetafile Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) writes: >I'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows >Meta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use >outside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but >not a requirement. Please reply to the address below. On a related topic, I have been searching (with no success) for a specification of the Enhanced Metafile format. I have the original WMF format (Graphics File Formats, Levine et al), but no info on the 32 bit version. Any pointers ? -- Eric W. Sink, Spyglass | ""In all the earth, only humans have the ability 1800 Woodfield Drive | to be content in bad situations... Savoy, IL 61826 | and vice-versa."" ---- e-sink@uiuc.edu ---------|---------- 217-355-6000 ----------------------- " 11142,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 64 In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: Ten Questions about arab countries ---------------------------------- I would be thankful if any of you who live in arab countries could help to provide accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by people around me. 1. Is it true that many arab countries don't recognize Israeli nationality ? That people with Israeli stamps on their passports can't enter arabic countries? 2. Is it true that arabic countries such as Jordan and Syria have undefined borders and that arab governments from 1948 until today have refused to state where the ultimate borders of their states should be? 3. Is it true that arab countires refused to sign the Chemical weapon convention treaty in Paris in 1993? 4. Is it true that in arab prisons there are a number of individuals which were tried in secret and for which their identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are state secrets ? 4a. Is it true that some arab countries, like Syria, harbor Nazi war criminals, and refuse to extradite them? 4b. Is it true that some arab countries, like Saudi Arabia, prohibit women from driving cars? 5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the Muslim countries are subject to different laws than Muslims? 6. Is it true that arab countries confiscated the property of entire Jewish communites forced to flee by anti-Jewish riots? 7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed a chemical weapons treaty that no arab nation was willing to sign? 8. Is it true that Syrian Jews are required to leave a $10,000 deposit before leaving the country, and are no longer allowed to emmigrate, despite promises made by Hafez Assad to George Bush? 9. Is it true that Jews in Muslim lands are required to pay a special tax, for being Jews? 10. Is it true that Intercontinental Hotel in Jerusalem was built on a Jewish cemetary, with roads being paved over grave sites, and gravestones being used in Jordanian latrines? 11. Is it really cheesy and inappropriate to post lists of biased leading questions? 11a. Is it less appropriate if information implied in Mr. Davidsson's questions is highly misleading? Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 11143,4,"From: ross@vorpal.ucsb.edu (Richard Ross) Subject: Powerbook with a math coprocessor? Keywords: powerbook, math coprocessor, pb160 Lines: 9 I really want to buy a powerbook and would like one that can run Mathematica. So I need a coprocessor but I can not afford a PB180. (who can?) Is it possible to put a MCP in a PB160? The guy at the bookstore says no but I didn't think he had too much of a clue. Please respond by e-mail: ross@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu thanks in advance, richard " 11144,16,"From: zed@Dartmouth.EDU (Ted Schuerzinger) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b16@dartmouth.edu Organization: WDCR/WFRD, Hanover, NH Lines: 49 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, > but here goes: > > Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > > CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all > the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The > lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear > gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. > ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that > the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit > napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > > THIS IS MURDER! > > ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > > I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see > it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was > still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left > alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. > > I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! > > God help us all. > > > PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! > > > W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. The latest news I saw was that two of the eight known survivors (not NO SURVIVORS!!! as you so rudely put in all caps) said they started the fire. I won't go on with the things the wacko of Waco did. --Ted Schuerzinger zed@Dartmouth.EDU This is not the secret message. " 11145,5,"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Delayed Expose Events Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I posted about this a while ago but without code excerpts noone was able to help me. The problem is that main_win.win is doing fine, but when I create detail_win.win, it does not receive it's initial expose events until main_win.win receives an event. Here are the relevent calls: main_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, main_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, main_win.text, main_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); main_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, main_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); XMapSubwindows (mydisplay, main_win.win); The event mask for main_win is: PPosition | PSize | StructureNotifyMask | ExposureMask| KeyPressMask | EnterWindowMask | LeaveWindowMask; The flags are PPosition | PSize I then create detail_win.win with the following calls (hints has new values): detail_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, detail_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, detail_win.text, detail_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); detail_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, detail_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); Event Mask and flags are identical to main_win's flags and event mask. If anybody has any idea why the initial expose events of detail_win.win are not received until main_win.win receives an event I'd love to hear from them. Other that that everything works great so there must be some detail I'm overseeing. Thanks for any tips ---> Robert rgasch@nl.oracle.com PS: The same message was accidentally appended to the ""Expose Events"" thread. Sorry for any confusion caused. " 11146,3,"From: dao4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD A. O'SHALL) Subject: Re: Original IBM PC specs Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 27 In article , winfrvk@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (R. v.Kampen) writes: >In article <1993Apr9.101944.3200@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> hoffmamc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wr ites: >>A hard drive with XT-type controller can be added, but I recommend not trying a >>full -height 5 1/4"" hard drive, as I have run into trouble with the 63.5w >>supply not having the oomph to spool up those big heavy platters. >> >one way to get the system going with one floppy drive and one hard >disk on a 63 watt power supply is to first disconnect the power from >the floppy drive than turn on the pc, you will notice the hard drive >having a real difficult time getting up to speed, but it manages. >when booting is finished, plug in your floppy drive, now it will work. > >(ok I know this is not very user friendly, maybe you are better off >buying a 486-66 with 300 watt power supply or something like that) > >willem > The newer the drive, the less problem you will have. The old ten and fifteen meg full heights were power hogs, but I have over twenty units that I set up running flawlessly with half height drives and/or hard cards. -- DAo4@NS1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Don) " 11147,1,From: hwstock@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (stockman harlan w) Subject: hp2xx for DOS Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 3 Is there a precompiled version of hp2xx for DOS out there - prefereably for 386/486? 11148,16,"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: donb@netcom.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:10:52 GMT In donb@netcom.com writes: > Anyway, here's how I see the Waco affair; I'd be interested in other peoples' > interpretations... > > 1. Koresh and his people were basically minding their own business. > 2. Some weapons violations may have been committed and I wouldn't have > disapproved of prosecuting him for those violations. However, I think > the BATF was criminal for starting negotiations with a military style > assault and for firing into a house where there were children and other > noncombatants. > 3. I don't see they couldn't just leave a token guard on the place and wait > the BDs out; I don't approve of the tear gas approach and, if it caused > the fire to be started, I think the FBI agent responsible should spend > 10-20 years in jail. I think the legal term would be ""negligent homicide"" > 4. However, if Koresh's response to the tear gas was to kill everyone there, > I hold him largely responsible for their deaths. Well, it's nice to see someone with a brain, a general lack of paranoia, and a willingness to put his thoughts in public. I tend to agree with all you have said. ""Never assume foul motives when stupidity will do."" -- Jim's Corrolary to Occam's Razor semper fi, Jammer Jim Miller Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________ I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. ""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph " 11149,0,"From: kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny (Gene) Kilman) Subject: Re: USAToday ad (""family values"") Organization: Florida International University, Miami Lines: 15 In article danb@shell.portal.com (Dan E Babcock) writes: >There was a funny ad in USAToday from ""American Family Association"". >I'll post a few choice parts for your enjoyment (all emphases is in >the ad; I'm not adding anything). All the typos are mine. :) [Dan's article deleted] I found the same add in our local Sunday newspaper. The add was placed in the ..... cartoon section! The perfect place for it ! :-) Y.K. " 11150,2,"From: alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) Subject: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Two-part question: 1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS? 2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is? That is it - Thanks a heap. - Alan -- ______________/ Alan S. Olson Swanson Environmental, Inc. \_________________ / e-mail to alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu OR alan@alchemy.chem.uwm.edu \ | Want some good music? Check out Milwaukee's own BoDeans | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 11151,17,"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (""Get thee to a nunnery....."") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 1 Just kidding " 11152,8,"From: delilah@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Nntp-Posting-Host: next18pg2.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 10 > > Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!) $140 > ^^^ > Wow! Courses in Georgia are much cheaper. $85 for both. > > > in maryland, they were $25 each when i learned to ride 3 years ago. now, it's $125 (!) for the beginner riders' course and $60 for the experienced riders' course (which, admittedly, takes only about half the time ). -D- " 11153,5,"From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) Subject: Re: Dell 2.2 EISA Video Cards Organization: AT&T Lines: 25 [This belongs in comp.windows.x.i386unix - I've redirected followups] In article larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes: > Does XFree86 support any EISA video cards under Dell 2.2? > -- > Larry Snyder > larry@gator.rn.com I know for a fact that the EISA version of the Orchid ProDesigner IIS works. However, an EISA SVGA card is likely a waste of money. When XFree86 2.0 comes out, with support for accelerated chipsets, ISA, EISA, and VLB will all be supported. The more important question is ""what chipsets are supported?"". The bus is basically irrelevent as a compatibility issue. -- David Wexelblat (908) 957-5871 Fax: (908) 957-5627 AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ 07748 XFree86 requests should be addressed to ""Love is like oxygen. You get too much, you get too high. Not enough and you're gonna die."" -- Sweet, Love Is Like Oxygen " 11154,16,"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: :An 'edu'er not towing the ""party"" line, thank you! : :Jim You're welcome! ;) Actually, I'm probably something of an outcast, because I've committed the ultimate college-student heresy: I'm not a liberal. (This is NOT liberal-bashing.) Mike -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * " 11155,8,"From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Distribution: world Organization: The Modem Palace Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com writes: >I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has Hey Pal! Who're you calling litte? Tony +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ |Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | |Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | |Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | |Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | |England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ " 11156,16,"From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 20 In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: >> >>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day >>> in Texas. >> >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. Ever hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done. How effective is an electric stove then? Al [standard disclaimer] " 11157,5,"From: mark@ardnt1.res.utc.COM (MARK STUCKY) Subject: Re: Need PD X-Y Plot Package Organization: The Internet Lines: 139 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.COM Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.EDU ""Steve"" == Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm writes: Steve> Folks, Steve> I'm looking for a Public Domain X-Y plotting package for X. Steve> I need basic capabilities (axes, labels, log and linear, &c). Steve> It's hard to imagine that someone has not put such a thing Steve> together, so I'm hoping to avoid reinventing the wheel. Steve> Thanks for any leads! Steve> Steve Frysinger Your might take a look a PLPLOT. Version 4.99c (actually beta v5.0) can be found anonymous ftp from hagar.ph.utexas.edu, in the pub/plplot directory. --Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Stucky | Email: | | United Technologies Research Center | mark@ardnt1.res.utc.com | | East Hartford, CT. |or mbs@rcinet.res.utc.com | | 06108 |or mbs@utrc.res.utc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the README file of version 4.99c: This is the PLPLOT distribution. PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro) and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness, it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects. Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent), including a portable metafile format and renderer. The PLPLOT package is freely distributable, but NOT in the public domain. The PLPLOT source code, except header files and those files explicitly granting permission, may not be used in a commercial software package without consent of the authors. You are allowed and encouraged to include the PLPLOT object library and header files in a commercial package provided that: (1) it is explicitly and prominently stated that the PLPLOT library is freely available, and (2) the full copyrights on the PLPLOT package be displayed somewhere in the documentation for the package. We welcome suggestions on how to improve this code, especially in the form of user-contributed enhancements or bug fixes. If PLPLOT is used in any published papers, please include an acknowledgment or citation of our work, which will help us to continue improving PLPLOT. Also, please remember that as PLPLOT is not a commercial product, we cannot be expected to offer the kind of support that a commercial product may. There is great interest in extending PLPLOT and fixing bugs, but the principal authors can only afford to work on it part time. Improvements will necessarily focus on those which help us get our work done. PLPLOT is written in C, enabling it to run on many platforms practically without modification. Fortran programs may use it transparently; stub routines are provided to handle the C<->Fortran interface without any modification of the user program. C programs are required to include the header file ""plplot.h""; see the documentation for more details. The main documentation for PLPLOT is in the doc/ directory in the form of several TeX files; please consult this for additional information ('latex plotdoc'). Unfortunately documentation tends to lag actual improvements to the code, so don't be surprised if some known features are not explained there. Consult 'Changes.log' to see a list of recent changes. At present, PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: Unix: SunOS A/IX HP-UX Unicos DG/UX Ultrix SysV Linux Amiga/Exec MS-DOS OS/2 NeXT For more information on how to get or use PLPLOT on your system, see: - appendices to the PLPLOT manual - system-specific documentation in the appropriate sys/ directory. To become a subscriber to the PLPLOT mailing list, send a request to plplot-request@dino.ph.utexas.edu. CREDITS ------- PLPLOT is the result of the effort of many people, so it is impractical to list all the contributors. Those currently supporting and otherwise responsible for the package in its present form include: Maurice LeBrun Please send all comments, flames, patches, etc, to me. I am responsible for all the PLPLOT kernel development as well as most of the work on the metafile, xwindow, xterm, postscript, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. EMAIL mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu USMAIL Dr. Maurice LeBrun Institute for Fusion Studies University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 Geoff Furnish Please send questions regarding the MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers to Geoff. EMAIL furnish@fusion.ph.utexas.edu USMAIL Geoff Furnish Institute for Fusion Studies University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 Tony Richardson Creator of PLPLOT 2.6b, 3.0 Please send questions regarding installation of PLPLOT on the NeXT to Tony. EMAIL amr@egr.duke.edu USMAIL Tony Richardson Tony Richardson 184 Electrical Engineering 2920 Chapel Hill Road Apt. 41-D Duke University Durham, NC 27707 Durham, NC 27706 ph 919-684-5274 ph 919-493-1609 " 11158,6,"From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson) Subject: Hewlett Packard DeskJet 500 inkjet printer for sale... Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 43 For Sale ...: Hewlett Packard DeskJet 500 inkjet printer. o Perfect condition both internally and externally o Comes with two FULL ink cartridges o Less than six months old o Comes with all original packaging, manuals, cables and software This is truly an excellent printer and is the low-cost alternative to a laser printer. It prints with the quality of a laser printer, but for a fraction of both the inital cost and he long term cost (that is, replacement of ink cartridges as opposed to replacement of toner). The printer prints at a maximum of 300*300 (D)ots (P)er (I)nch (D.P.I.) on many different types and sizes of paper, including envelopes and transperencies. Printer prints in both landscape and portrait modes. Printer can accept up to two cartridges giving it things like more memory or additional fonts. Printer works excellently with Windows and DOS and brings TrueType to its full potential. I originally purchased the printer for $375.00. Make me an offer, but I would prefer to stay in the $300.00 range. I will pay the shipping to anywhere in the continental U.S.A. If you are interested, please either leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime. Thanks! P.S. The printer will work with any computer that can accept a standard parallel or serial connection. (That is, IBM, Amiga, etc.) " 11159,18,"From: kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 34 Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the : draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, : and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior : with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us : on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and : Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. : Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. : Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. Eliminate the C-17 transport. Overwight, overdue, overbudget, it was supposed to carry tanks. New tanks are now too big for the airplane. Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. The breakup of the USSR has left us with a number of sticky military problems, but NONE of them will require ""God's gift to submarines"". Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. I'm sure it's a great airplane that will do EVERYTHING its designers said, but at half-a-gigabuck a copy, we can't afford for even ONE to crash. And airplanes DO crash. Elmo Zumwalt said it best 20+ years ago; ""High/Low"". A MIX of a FEW extremely capable weapons systems and a LOT of CHEAPER, moderate-capability systems. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the kmitchel@netcom.com| Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are Citrus Heights, CA | reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 11160,8,"From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) Organization: Mindcraft, Inc. Lines: 21 In article cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes: >Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the >the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one? >(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one) That's a twin-cam, right? There's a steel guard right next to the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the engine cases, and it's needed. There's probably not enough room to fit a bigger sprocket. I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%. If you raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at any given speed. Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands. -- Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com (415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu " 11161,17,"From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ? Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 27 In article hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: >In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > > DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! > > I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed > to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their > plan ! > Proven? Maybe not. But it can certainly be verified beyond a reasonable doubt. This statement and statements like it are a matter of public record. Before the Six Day War (1967) I think Nasser and some other Arab leaders were broadcasting these statements on Arab radio. You might want to check out some old newspapers Ahmed. > What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media, > is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic > Law. I think if you take a look at the Hamas covenant (written in 1988) you might get a different impression. I have the convenant in the original arabic with a translation that I've verified with Arabic speakers. The document is rife with calls to kill jews and spread Islam and so forth. -Adam Schwartz " 11162,8,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: BDI Experience Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Kent D. Polk (kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu) wrote: : Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close : one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn : signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and : starts to pass me on the RIGHT. This has happened to me twice before. the I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it. On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are 3 lanes in my direction. One for left turns, one for straight through, and one for right turns. All clearly marked. Plus there is a clearly marked bicycle lane. I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at the stop line. Looking left to see if I can make a ""right turn on red"" and when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike lane and is trying to pass me on the right. GRRR. I always do a head check on bike lanes. Not always for bicycles. . . -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * * Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * ******************************************************************************* " 11163,13,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Distribution: usa,world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr22.202051.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu>, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes: > In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes: >> >> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's >> disease. >> >> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, >> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. >> >> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the >> problems of people with Crohn's disease ? >> >> (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). >> >> Thanks in advance, >> John Eyles > > All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While > most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who > are in ""private practice"" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their > patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get > your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for > the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The > better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's > plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to > control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal. > Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and > lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but > I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For If you do a MEDLINE search on ""turmeric"" you'll see that it is a potent lipoxygenase inhibitor which is being investigated in a number of areas. I'm in cardiology and about 4 years ago the cardiothoracic surgery lab at my hospital compared the effect of a teaspoon of dissolved turmeric vs. a $2000 bolus of tPA in preventing myocardial reperfusion injury in a perfused Langendorff sheep heart. The turmeric was more effective :-) A colleague of mine in the School of Pharmacy (Dr. Ron Kohen) has a paper ""in press"" on the free radical scavenging activity and antioxidant activity of tea. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects > are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing > a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with > inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet. > > Marty B. " 11164,13,"From: mrl@pfc.mit.edu (Mark London) Subject: Corneal erosion/abrasions. Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: nerus.pfc.mit.edu For several years I have been dealing with reccurring corneal erosion. There does not seem to be much known about the cause of such a problem. My current episode is pretty bad since it is located in the middle of the cornea. If it's bad enough, the usual treatment for it is puncture therapy. However, my doctor this time is trying to let it heal by itself by putting a contact lens to protect the area. Apparently the problem is not that common, but I'd be curious if anyone else out there has a similar problem, perhaps to see if a cause can be found. Mark London MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU " 11165,6,"From: donath@math.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) Subject: US Robotics 14.4 modem Originator: donath@oak.math.uiowa.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.math.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 5 Reply to haljordan@delphi.com or call 708 674-2603: U.S. Robotics 16.8 Dual standard, V.32 bis, 14.4k baud, 16.8 hst. Price: $449. " 11166,13,"From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) Subject: Altitude adjustment Summary: How to adjust to 9000 ft when you come from sea-level Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3 Lines: 20 I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there (no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? Is there something else that I could do? A long time ago (possibly two years ago) there was a discussion here about altitude adjustment. Has anyone saved the messages? Many thanks, Vida. " 11167,12,"From: klg@mookie.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: Duke Medical Center - Radiology Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: mookie.mc.duke.edu In article <1993Apr15.044636.29924@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >That's scary -- if there's a way to set an arbitrary mileage figure >into the odometer, you can't trust *any* odometer reading, even >if you can prove that the odometer itself is the same one that >came on the car originally. I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage? What kind of memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough (of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a vehicle? I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow). Side question: how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K actual miles. Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the buyer it has. Thanks for any insight. Kim Greer Duke University Medical Center klg@orion.mc.duke.edu Div. Nuclear Medicine POB 3949 voice: 919-681-5894 Durham, NC 27710 fax: 919-681-5636 " 11168,18,"From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Distribution: na News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 35 Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com Organization: The Village Waterbed In matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: >In article 164871 in talk.politics.misc, margoli@watson.ibm.com >(Larry Margolis) writes: > >>>I would suggest that legal precedent defines a human being (i.e., a person >>>whose rights are protected by the Constitution and the law) as someone with >>>a functioning brain. > >>No, if you want to use legal precedent, you should take a look at the >>Model Penal Code, on which many states base their criminal code: > >My apologies if I was unclear; I was not trying to start a statutory >debate, since there are many (in some cases conflicting) statutes on >the books. I was merely suggesting a paradigm that might make sense >for a pro-choicer IMHO. And I was pointing out that legal precedent defines a human being as referring only to the born, so your suggestion was incorrect. >>>If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly >>>have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward >>>their children. > >>And no parent can be forced to supply bodily resources toward their children, >>even if necessary to save the child's life. > >There is a confusion here between action and inaction: a parent does not have >to run out in front of a bus to save their child's life either, but a parent >IS required to feed his children. There is a confusion here about what ""bodily resources"" constitutes. Blood transfusions and organ donations involve bodily resources; your examples do not. -- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet) " 11169,14,"From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" Organization: University of Houston Lines: 86 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr10.145502.28866@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes... >In article <9APR199318394890@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: > >>>BTW, universities do the same thing. They however, have a wrap of >>>10% to 15% (again, this is over and above any overhead charge). > >>Wrong Allen. The max overhead charge is ALL of the charge. There is no >>seperately budgeted overhead in any shape size form or fashion. > >A professor at the University of Virginia told me their wrap was about >15%. The subcontracts I have let out and worked on for other universities >are about the same. My employer (a non-profit research institute) does >the same. This is generally reffered to as the fee. > I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as wrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at Marquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or Embry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance that I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our University who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did not happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead to be a legitimate charge. >>How do >>I know? I write proposals and have won contracts and I know to the dime >>what the charges are. At UAH for example the overhead is 36.6%. > >Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >costing people how much fee they add to a project. > I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. >>If you have some numbers Allen then show them else quit barking. > >I did Dennis; read the article. To repeat: an internal estimate done by >the Reston costing department says Freedom can be built for about $1.8B >a year and operated for $1B per year *IF* all the money where spent on >Freedom. Since we spend about half a billion $$ more per year it looks >like roughly 25% of the money is wasted. Now if you think I'm making >this up, you can confirm it in the anonymous editorial published a few >weeks ago in Space News. > No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee of the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is at a place where everything is overhead. >This Dennis, is why NASA has so many problems: you can't accept that >anything is wrong unless you can blame it on Congress. Oh, sure, you'll >say NASA has problems but do you believe it? Remember the WP 02 >overrun? You insisted it was all congresses fault when NASA management >knew about the overrun for almost a year yet refused to act. Do you >still blame Congress for the overrun? > Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being selective with the facts again. >>By your own numbers Allen, at a cost of 500 million per flight the >>service cost of flying shuttle to SSF is 2 billion for four flights, so how >>did you get your one billion number? > >I have no idea what your trying to say here Dennis. > > Allen >-- If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your ""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville. Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to do so. " 11170,9," egsner!ernest!m2.dseg.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.com!mksol!kerr.dseg.ti.com!kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com From: kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com@MK (Kevin Kerr) Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER Organization: ENGINEERING AUTOMATION Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: kerr.dseg.ti.com In article <1993Apr6.233805.29755@freenet.carleton.ca> aa649@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ralph Timmerman) writes: >From: aa649@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ralph Timmerman) >Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 23:38:05 GMT >In a previous article, 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WALTER WORKS) says: >> The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. They >>clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two >>homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a three >>run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, >>tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many more >>to follow). The Yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the >>Indians. The Yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the division. >> GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young. >> >> ---> jason. >> >Does that mean we have to read this drivel another 95 times this season? >Please spare us... And check you facts before you post! >-- >Ralph Timmerman ""There is no life after baseball"" >aa649@freenet.carleton.ca No one says you have to read any of it Ralph.. Go play in traffic.., or take a nap... They work for me.. ========================================================================= | Kevin Kerr kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com | # | President North Texas 'C' Programmers Users Group | | BBS-(214) 442-0223 | | GO YANKEES !!! GO DOLPHINS !!! | | | | ""Strolling through cyberspace, sniffing the electric wind...."" | ========================================================================= " 11171,11,"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Clipper chip and key exchange methods Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 13 I was wanting to ask the same question Dan Bernstein asked--how does the Clipper chip exchange keys? If the public key is only 80 or 160 bits long, does anyone know of any public-key schemes that are secure with that key size? (Diffie-Hellman or maybe El Gamal, with p set to a constant value?) Presumably, the real scheme is something like: 1. Exchange/verify public keys. 2. Send encrypted (randomly-generated) session key. 3. Encrypt / Decrypt voice trafic with some sort of fast stream cipher. Can anyone elaborate on this, or show me what I'm missing here? --John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu " 11172,2,"Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,world Organization: University of Wyoming Nntp-Posting-Host: sheriff.uwyo.edu Lines: 18 >Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it >uses NDIS. WFWG does use NDIS but it cooperates well with the NDIS shim for ODI. (I've heard that it is as fast as NDIS direct) > >My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my >UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work >along. The additional TSR load is minimal. I think I eat another 20K total. This is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my Windows NT box. Novell hasn't released a decent NT Novell client yet so I share through my WFWG box. This solution is very usable. " 11173,6,"From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) Subject: White Toyota Camry LE 1988 MUST SELL Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - New Jersey Div. Lines: 10 MUST SELL: 1988 Toyota Camry LE -- Car has AC, PS, PB, Sunroof, AM/FM Cassette radio, Cruise control, etc. 61000 miles. White with red interior. Car is in excellent condition. It is located in the Paramus, NJ area. $7900 or best offer. If interested please call 201-666-9207 " 11174,5,"From: boote@eureka.scd.ucar.edu (Jeff W. Boote) Subject: Re: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE) Organization: NCAR/UCAR Lines: 24 In article <4378@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) writes: > > Environment: > mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX) > OS : SunOS 4.1.3 > X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22) > Motif : 1.2.2 > > I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence > of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion > to X server lost): I had this problem as well - It had to do with the CG6 graphics card that comes with the IPX. What fixed the problem for me was to apply the ""sunGX.uu"" that was part of Patch #7. Patch #1 also used this file so perhaps you didn't apply the one that came with Patch #7. jeff - Jeff W. Boote ********************************* Scientific Computing Division * There is nothing good or bad * National Center for Atmospheric Research * but thinking makes it so. * Boulder * Hamlet * ********************************* " 11175,4,"From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) Subject: Cannot move data fast enough!? Summary: disk -> buffer -> network card Keywords: NuBus, SCSI, disk, throughput Organization: Gokuraku Videos Lines: 43 I want to achieve an overall throughput rate of around 5 megabytes / sec for very large data transfers. (Around 5 MB.) I have a Quadra 950. I have a NuBus network card that can pump data in to mac memory at 8.5 MB/s. (using block-mode transfers) I have a high-speed disk array (no asynchronous PB calls) that can achieve 6.8 MB/s. Let's say all transfers go from disk to buffer to network card. It is not enough to first transfer all the data from the disk to buffer, then transfer all the data from the buffer to card. (6.8 MB/s then 8.5 MB/s result in an overall 3.8 MB/s. Too slow!) So I tried the following scheme: For an n-megabyte transfer, Step 1: Load the 1st MB from disk to buffer. Step 2: Asynch send 1st MB out card, Load the 2nd MB from disk to buffer. Step 3: Asynch send 2nd MB out card, Load the 3rd MB from disk to buffer. ... Step n: Asynch send the n-1 MB out card, Load the nth MB from disk to buffer. Step n+1: Send the nth MB out card. Even though the code apparently does execute the card transfer asynchronously, and the card does not use the Mac cpu at all, (It is using the buffer, tho') each of the steps 2 through n take as long as if the two transfers were executed one after another. So there is no improvement in the rate. Why? Is the mac RAM dual-port? (So the NuBus card and the disk driver can both access data at the same time.) Is the problem that the two devices, card and disk driver, both have to use the same bus to mac RAM? Is there anything I can do? --David +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Blume | ""I get tired thinking of all the things I | | dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com | don't want to do."" --Bukowski, _Barfly_ | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ " 11176,10,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 89 In <1993Apr18.073540.6871@hubcap.clemson.edu> jwodzia@dlite.uucp (john wodziak) writes: >Sorry Roger but Mr Basketbal should what he really means here. IE he should >have said that he hopes ""fans in the _American_ Southeast can follow the >names of the divisions."" The odds that these people other than those who >are displaced ""Notherners"" (who are probably already fans) is on the order >of the proverbial snowball's in hell. I am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here. If you asked somone, who had never heard of hockey before, if LA played in the Smythe division what do you think that the response would be? What if you asked this person if LA played in the West division? The naming of divisions after long-dead entrepreneurs is unnecessary obfuscation. >>I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names >>Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called >>""builders"" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein >>in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the >>game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to >>name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people >>who deserve it. >Yes these people deserve recognigtion as hockey greats but the old division >names took into account Messers Patrick, Norris, Smythe and the Prince who >had alot more to do with the ORIGINS of the league than people who came into >an already established situation. It is much easier to be an element of change Hardly. The ""established"" situation existed prior to Smythe, et al. The Stanley Cup was a challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team could successfully mount the challenge. What our dear founders did was formalize the challenge. They created a closed league, an oligop- olistic professional system, in the interests of making money. Wheth- er or not that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly debatable. We are, however, stuck with their invention and that de- bate is academic. The point to be made, however, is that people played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey long before Smythe and his pals showed up. >or a standout in an existing situation than it is to be someone who creates >a new situation. If you want to honor players like Bobby Orr than I'm sure >you can find a reason to name a torphy after him such as best offensive >defenseman. What's wrong with best defenceman, period? Was there ever a better defenceman? Was there ever a better player? And if you think that Bruce Norris' contribution was somehow more significant than Bobby Orr's then, in the interests of education, why don't you take a poll and find out how many people know who Norris was? But you don't have to, do you? >No I can't for the reasons I gave above. I'm in the same boat as Jason and I >grew up with the current divisonal names and learned them when I was about >10 years old and who played in what division. If a 10 year old _American_ >can learn this why would it be hard for an ""Occasional Fan"" to pick up >on who plays in what division? So you don't feel that you should have to make the effort to remember that Vancouver plays in the West division? (Or Pacific, or whatever other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen.) >>Oh. Now I see your point. Your intention has been to alert us to the erosion >>of purity. I'll bet you like hockey because it's, for the most part, played >>by whites of European extraction. >Probably not. In my case I'm sure of this. What you said would be like me >saying that All Maple Leafs fans are as biased, closed minded, ignorant, And of course you neatly deleted Jason's jingoistic rant about the game losing its ""Canadianization"". Quoting me out of context does more to erode your credibility than it does mine. My position is clearly progressive and is anything but ""biased, closed minded, ig- norant"". Arrogant, I will grant you. >arrogant, and moronic as you. Just because someone A) doesn't like what >Mr Basketball is doing, B) voices their opinion. and C) Likes the senerio of >you going to Antartica does not mean that you have the right to insult them. Nice try John. But for a flame to be truly effective you have to display at least enough intelligence to earn your target's respect. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 11177,14,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Fred and Tom, ad naseum X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 189 >>Nick sez; I'm not very impressed by the old so-called ""prospecting"" work from LPI, it has almost all been geared towards industrially silly processes on the moon as an excuse to put astronauts there. [...] >>Fred replies; Translation: It doesn't support the Nick Szabo Vision of the Future to Which You MUST Subscribe... >Tom sez; Fred, we're all supporting what each of us thinks should be done, to some degree. If you have a problem with what Nick thinks should be done, address it, instead of just complaining about his doing so. >Fred again; You really don't get what the 'complaints' are about, do you? [not incredibly clear explanation of complaints...something between feelings regarding Nick's method, and judgments about his meaning] T >>Maybe I'd get it if you said what the complaints are about, rather than >>doing the same things that you mean to complain about. When you trash >>people, how am I supposed to read that as 'trashing people is bad'? F >Gee, funny that you get it now, then? Deliberate obtuseness, perhaps? *** Fred's issue #1; Nick's alleged trashing of others *** I only got it when you stopped trashing, and made your point patently, instead of 'allegorically'. That was my point all along, Fred. >>>>Not only >>>>do you do the same thing on the net (honestly reporting your ideas >>>>on matters of policy and projects in space), but your response was just >>>>baiting, not even part of a debate. >>>I have yet to see Nick enter into anything remotely resembling ""a >>>debate"". I see him flame anyone or anything who disagrees with The >>>One True Szabo Plan; I see him attacking people, calling them ""lazy >>>bastard"" because they had the temerity to disagree with the Almight >>>Nick; I see him questioning peoples ethics, again because they had the >>>temerity to disagree with Lord God Szabo. But debate? BWAAaaahhhaaaa. >>I'm glad you can laugh, since your ratio of debate/insult is about the same. >Not even close, Tommy, and generally only when I'm dealing with >someone like Nick. I see we are dealing with a problem in a conflict of interpretations, not least of which is your belief that only you can adequately judge what is and is not debate. Suffice to say that I disagree with you on that last point. Why don't you take a poll, Fred, if you want some psuedo-objective point-of-view? And, as usual, you defend your insults with ""he started it."" ""Yeah, I took some of his research and called it my own, but he started it."" ""So what if I stole his car, he stole my lawnmower first."" Besides that, I think it's still open to interpretation whether Nick actually did start it. So your defense, besides being lame, and contradicting the first part of the sentence in which it occurs, may not even apply anyway. Your defense reminds me of the guy that broke the borrowed tool: ""I never borrowed it, I already gave it back, and it was broken when you gave it to me."" Make up yer mind, Fred! >>>>I'm not convinced that people are necessary in all parts of every space- >>>>based process, and your response doesn't tell me a thing about the >>>>reasons why you think they should be, except to impune the motives of >>>>the person with a divergent opinion. >>>Who said I think they should be, Tommy? Show me a note where I said >>>that and I'll eat this terminal. ****See below, Fred**** >>Fred, I cocluded that you did, since you took issue with it. The fact >>that my conclusion was incorrect, i.e. that you were taking issue with >>something different, is evidence that your communication style is >>confusing. >Or evidence that your reading and comprehension style are inadequate. First, I try to address what I think you meant, for which I am rewarded with a denial of sorts, and a smart remark. Then, I point out that I am not clear what you did mean, rather than risking your childish ire, wrongly interpreting you a second time, and I'm stupid for it. I just can't win, can I, Fred? You've got a great point here somewhere, it's just that between stupid people that you must insult, and your jealous guarding of your valuable opinions, you never actually get around to making it. >Please quote the 'it' I took issue with. I believe you will see (if >you look) that what I was and am taking issue with is Mr Szabo's idea >that the manned program should be scrapped until such time as his >toaster-based infrastructure is finished. All Hail the Szabo Plan! *** Fred issue #2; Nick's alleged meaning *** Too bad the plan only exists in your mind, instead of Nick's, or you would have a really good point. Instead you have provided a good reason to ignore your insults, since they are based on incorrect interpretations that you have made about others. Forgive me for giving your insults more meaning than they ever should have had. My reading of what Nick actually said is that ""people aren't required in all parts of all space processes"", so your taking issue with his opinions regarding people in the space program, I read as ""People are required in all parts of all space processes."" So, help me out, here, Fred, since I'm so patently stupid. Did you read Nick wrong? Or are you going to eat your terminal now? If the latter, I sure hope it's one of those Cheeto and string models that all the computer mags have been raving about :-) The point is, _I_ am not stupid because of _your_ incorrect assumption. I'd only be stupid if I insulted you for having made it. But, alas, that's your job, Fred. And, finally, your style is confusing, since you tried to make two points, simultaneously, with an allegory/insult. Sadly, one point addressed a 'plan' that only existed in your mind, and the other took issue with behaviors that you do as much as anyone. >More deliberate lack of understanding, Tommy? No, no, I finally got it. You don't like the plan that Nick's posts made you imagine. And you don't like Nick's obnoxious behavior, even though it's no worse than your own. Thanks for taking the time with someone as dense as myself. >>>>If you have a problem with Nick's delivery, address that. The way you >>>>bait, you're perpetuating the lack of discourse that you complain of. >>>No, Tommy, the 'bait' is that which elicits the response. *NICK* >>>'baits'; I just flame him for being an obnoxious fool. >>I don't really care who started it. I read this list to get information >>and other's views on the issues to which it was dedicated, not to be >>your Mom (He started it! No, he did!) or to hear about why Nick is a very >>bad guy. If you think flaming is bad, stop flaming, or at least get to >>the point in the first post, instead of explaining yourself all the time. >That's nice, Tommy. When you pay me to post to the net you can >complain about not getting your money's worth. Perhaps if you weren't >(deliberately?) too thick to get the point the first time I wouldn't >have to waste time ""explaining [myself] all the time""? Of course, Socrates. How could it be otherwise? >I think it's neat how all this criticism from you started after your >'fatherly' admonitions to me about how such things should be handled >outside Usenet were somewhat rebuffed. Being a little hypocritical, >Tommy (to go with the immaturity)? Or is this just the pique of a >net.ghod wannabe who got turned down by someone he *thought* was new >(and hence could be 'instructed' -- Tommy, I saw you come on the net). Who cares who came on the net first? If you do, consider that you saw me come on after a brief haitus, before which I was on for about 2 years. If you had seen me on the net first, you'd remember when Nick and I went down exactly the same road regarding rude, unneccesary behavior. It's just amazing to me that you continue to take issue with behavior that's no worse than your own. Let's see here, my complaints about your obnoxious behavior are hypocritical, while your flames against people you decide are flamers isn't, and my complaints about your name-calling are immature, while your name-calling isn't. Yeah, right. Maybe if you called me some more names, I might see it better, Fred. ""Net.ghod wannabe""? Naturally, Fred, you've correctly interpreted my motivations, when yours are impossible to judge from your actions (as your insulting of people that try, proves). I didn't really care about people that fill the net with personal garbage, what I really wanted was to impress everyone. I only put my complaints with your behavior on private mail, not because it belongs there, but because I thought you were such a jerk that you'd bring it back to the Net, playing right into my hands. Alas, I had no idea what an intellectual master you were, turning tables and bringing the history of these posts to the net, for the noble and valuable purpose of embarassing me. Whether I should feel stupid because I tried to make suggestions to such a superior intellect, or becuase I tried to communicate like an adult with a self-righteous ass, still isn't clear. Well, Fred, you exposed me. Now I'll never be able to get a(nother) job with NASA, since they all know that I'm stupider than Fred McCall. Well, I just hope you're happy. Please leave me alone, now. I just don't have the heart to attempt keeping up with one so far above me. Maybe Nick or Pat can approach your high standards, but I'm dropping it now. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 11178,1,"From: sp1marse@kristin (Marco Seirio) Subject: Flat globe Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Does anybody have an algorithm for ""flattening"" out a globe, or any other parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a globe (or any other object). Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.se " 11179,15,"From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Subject: THE EMPTY TOMB... Reply-To: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 218 THE EMPTY TOMB: CAN WE TRUST IT? by the late Wilbur M. Smith, D.D. (1894-1977) When Jesus was on Earth, He made an amazing prediction about Himself, and frequently repeated it. Let me quote it for you: Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn Him to death, and shall deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify Him; and the third day He shall rise again"" (Matthew 20:18-19). Wholly different from the normal experience of men, Jesus, who had *never* done anything worthy of death, even deserving reproval, knew He would die before He was 40 years of age. He knew the very city where He would die. He knew that the religious leaders of His own race would condemn Him to death. He knew that one of His own would betray Him. He knew that before His actual death took place He would be mocked and scourged. He knew exactly how He would die--*by crucifixion.* All this is in itself remarkable. But more amazing than the minute particulars of His foreknowledge was what He predicted would follow shortly after He was buried--*that He would rise again.* He even designated the time--on the third day. But since it is on this central fact--the death and resurrec- tion of Jesus Christ--that the whole truth or untruth of Chris- tianity turns, let us examine it more closely. The body of Jesus was embalmed in long sheets of cloth between the layers of which a great abundance of spices and ointments was distributed. The body was placed in a tomb which had never before been used, and a great stone was rolled against the entrance. The Jewish authorities, fully aware that Jesus had predicted He would rise again, had the stone officially sealed and on Saturday placed a guard before the tomb to prevent the disciples from carrying away the body. Early Sunday morning some of the women who were faithful followers of Christ went out to the tomb to further anoint the body. To their utter astonishment, they found the stone rolled away, the body gone. They rushed back to tell the disciples. Shortly two of Jesus' friends, Peter and John, utterly skeptical about the whole affair, came and found the tomb empty, just as the women had said. Even the guards came hurrying into the city to tell the Sanhedrin that had hired them to guard the tomb that the body was gone (Matthew 28:11). How did this tomb become empty? One of the most famous New Testament scholars in America-- professor of New Testament literature in a large theological seminary--wrote to the author in answer to my question of *how* the tomb became empty, and wrote it in a letter *not* marked by bitterness or sarcasm, that he could no more explain how the tomb became empty than he could explain how Santa Claus comes down the chimney at Christmas time. But he didn't realize that Santa Clause never did come down any chimney at Christmas time, *because there never was a Santa Claus!* ...And there *is* a Jesus. He died; He was buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, and on Sunday the body was gone. Those are facts of history. No one can escape the responsi- bility of coming to some conclusion about what really happened by mentioning a myth we all abandoned before we were eight years old. Another professor, Dr. Kirsopp Lake of Harvard University, tried to explain the empty tomb by saying (what no other scholar in the field of New Testament criticism has ventured to adopt) that the women went to the wrong tomb. The facts are these: First, so far as we know, there was no other tomb nearby to which by mistake they could have gone. Second, it is contrary to all similar experience for three or more people to forget the place where they have buried their dearest loved one within less than three days. Even if the women did miss the tomb, when Peter and John came, did they too go to the wrong tomb? Third, were the soldiers *guarding* the wrong tomb? There is, of course, a record of an attempt to escape the evidence of the empty tomb in the New Testament itself. Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city and showed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. And when they were assembled with the leaders and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole Him away while we slept. And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is com- monly reported among the Jews until this day (Matthew 28:11-15). This is a good illustration of many later attempts to escape the fact that the tomb was empty. You will notice at once that the chief priests and the elders never questioned but that the tomb *was* empty. They never even went out to see if what the guards had reported was true--they *knew* it was true. Another fact about this story makes it ridiculous to maintain that the tomb was empty--the soldiers were told to say that Jesus' disciples came and stole the body away *while they* (the soldiers) *were asleep!* How could they know what was going on while they were asleep? Obviously, such testimony would be valueless in any court. Even aside from the shallowness and sordidness that make us reject the explanation, the very character and the later history of the disciples compel us to believe they did not steal and secretly carry away the body of Jesus. First, as Professor Heffern points out, the leaders of Judaism in Jerusalem, who had put the Lord Jesus to death, had nothing to offer to contradict these disciples as they continued to preach Jesus and His resurrection--because all Jerusalem knew the tomb was empty. If there had been trickery here, sooner or later it would have been suspected, then proved. Second, surely *one* of the disciples, even *most* of them, would have confessed the fraud under the terrific persecution they underwent. It may be possible to live a lie, but men seldom die for a lie--and most of these men did. The result ultimately would have been that the message that Christ had risen would have suffered the fate of all such unfounded stories--it would have lost it *power.* Instead, this truth swept the world, closed pagan temples, won millions of disciples, brought hope to a despairing humanity, was the very foundation truth of the early church, and is today as believable and as freshly glorious as ever. But not only did Jesus come alive again, He did not disappear to leave the disciples speculating through all the subsequent days as to what had happened to Him. Instead, He appeared to them--literally, visibly, frequently. He appeared to the women at the tomb on Resurrection morning (Matthew 28:1-10); later that day to Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:11- 18); and to Simon Peter, also alone (Luke 24:34). In the afternoon He walked with two of His followers toward Emmaus (Luke 24:13-35); and that night He appeared to ten of the apostles gathered together in an upper room at Jerusalem (Mark 16:14-16; Luke 24:36-40; etc.). A week later He appeared to all eleven of the apostles, probably at the same place (John 20:26-28). Once He was seen by above 500 brethren on a mountain in Galilee (I Corinthians 15:6); and finally to the apostles just before His ascension (Mark 16:19; Luke 24:50-52; Acts 1:3- 8). As with the fact of the empty tomb, so in regard to these histor- ically recorded appearances, all kinds of theories have been proposed attempting to deny their literalness. But these theories are unreasonable, without supporting evidence. None has ever won the unanimous approval of those who refuse to believe in the reality of the appearances. Moreover, while it is true we are living in an age when may of our leading scientists and agnostics and many of our philosophers are antisuperanaturalistic, let us not forget that some of the greatest thinkers of the ages have firmly believed in this great miracle. Increase Mather, president of Harvard; Timothy Dwight, president of Yale; Nathan Lord, president of Dartmouth; Edward Hitchcock, president of Amherst; Mark Hopkins, president of Williams; John Witherspoon, president of Princeton--these men and countless others have believed it. But suppose Christ *did* rise from the dead, what of it? What has it to do with *my* life? What has it to do with *your* life? Just this: it seals with certitude the teachings of Christ. Jesus taught many great truths--especially many about Himself. He claimed to have come down *from* God. He said He was the way *to* God. He said He was the Son of God, who alone knew God perfectly. He said that whoever believed on Him had eternal life, and no one else had it. He said that whatever we ask God in His name, He would grant it to us. Thus when He did rise from the grave on the third day, He revealed that in these amazing, unparalleled predictions, *He spoke the truth!* Do you know any reason, *any good reason,* why we should not believe that His words are all true? The point is, does not the truth of the Resurrection convince us that He is none other than the One He claimed to be--the Son of God? And then, of course, the fact that Christ rose from the dead testifies that He has broken the power of death, and that He will some day raise us also up from the grave, as He promised. In other words, if this Person, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, in all this, He should be the cornerstone of the foundation of your life. For He said a life built on Him would know forgiveness of sins, His compan- ionship and help, a joy that no circumstances can ever take away, and a hope that shineth more and more unto a perfect day. Those who have tried it down through the ages--*and there have been many*--have given their testimony. And we today who believe also know. " 11180,18,"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr17.145045.12449@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >: In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >: >: It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >: reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. > >...Society would collapse if most people were evil most of the time."" > -- David Bergland Agreed. > >""If people are basically evil, the last thing you'd want is a big >government staffed by those evil folks exercising control over you."" > -- David Bergland Agreed. >""Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and >leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress."" -- U.N. report Agreed. >: The argument is not between those who want ""limited"" government and those >: who want ""unlimited"" government. It is between those who believe >: government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and >: those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical >: grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds. > >Good summary... Selling your labor or goods so that you can eat >and buy a house is essential so that you can excercise your >personal freedoms. >-- >Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President And this demonstrates, I assume, that you're a liberal. :-). -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 " 11181,4,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 10 mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: >Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. >I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. >Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS >slot. Is that true? Don't believe the hype. There is no such thing as a PowerPC slot. -Hades " 11182,2,"From: mitchell@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Subject: Dataproducts LZR1260 not printing correctly Organization: Regional Network Systems Group, Perth Lines: 9 Just an apology in advance for posting a binary to this newsgroup. I've had several attempts to mail it to the original poster but it's not getting through intact. -- _--_|\ Clive Mitchell ph: +61 9 4916384 / \ Regional Network Systems mitchell@telecomwa.oz.au >> *_.--._/ Perth , Western Australia v " 11183,9,"From: neuharth@hardy.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Article-I.D.: shelley.1psf0dINNm4q Organization: University of Washington Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.190141.17623@bsu-ucs>, 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu >writes: >|> I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect >|> I have >|> for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. >|> A dishard Cub fan >Yes, I also wonder if they can win with this manager. >I never believed managers had that much to do with winning >until I saw how much they had to do with losing.... I like the Mariners a lot, but my heart belongs to the Cubs...You can imagine my frustration when I saw the Cubs nabbing LeFebvre...ARHGGHRGHH! -John Neuharth neuharth@u.washington.edu " 11184,14,"From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") Subject: First Spacewalk X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 13 At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk (Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake. Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ? Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ? -- * Fred Baube (tm) * In times of intellectual ferment, * baube@optiplan.fi * advantage to him with the intellect * #include * most fermented ! * How is Frank Zappa doing ? * May '68, Paris: It's Retrospective Time !! " 11185,11,"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 12 Quoting pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) in article <1993Apr21.012011.27470@shearson.com>: >Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? How fast do the fastest modems go? How far can voice be compressed? I've seen various assertions about this, but anyone with the straightforward bits-per-second figures will be my friend forever... __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! " 11186,2,"From: chen@citr.uq.oz.au (G. Chen) Subject: Help on bitmaps Summary: Bitmap size Keywords: Bitmap, windows 3.1, SDK Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland Lines: 18 I wonder if anyone can tell me whether or not I can create a bitmap of any size? I followed the bitmap creation example in SDK manual and specified a 24x24 bitmap (set the width/height to 24) and supplied a byte string with 72 chars. But I just cannot get the right bitmap image. I changed the width/height to 32x32 and used the same value string (padded with zero byets to make up to the right size) and got the image. The example in the manual is 64x32 size, which are multiple of 2 bytes. Can you define a bitmap image of any size? Thanks very much. G Chen chen@citr.uq.oz.au -- G. Chen, Centre for Information Technology Research, University of Queensland, Australia 4072 chen@citr.uq.oz.au Tel: +61 7 365 4325, Fax +61 7 365 4399 " 11187,9,"From: lloyd@uclink.berkeley.edu (Lloyd Nebres) Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! Article-I.D.: 128.lloyd-060493114752 Distribution: world Organization: UC Berkeley Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: tol3mac15.soe.berkeley.edu >>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) Indeed, if the color teal on a team's uniforms is any indication of the future, the Marlins are in dire trouble! Refer to the San Jose Sharks for proof... But I have hope for the Marlins. I was a sometime member of the Rene Lachemann fan club at the Oakland Coliseum, and have a deep respect for the guy. He's a gem. And, of course, Walt Weiss gives that franchise class. But yeah... whoever designed those uniforms was guilty of a paucity of style and imagination. Ugghhh! Lloyd R. Nebres, UC Berkeley Internet: lloyd@uclink.berkeley.edu Vox: (510) 848-9760 or 643-9390 ""Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 carrying a ton of CD-ROMs..."" " 11188,0,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I want to know how this omniscient being is going to perform |> >the feat of ""definitely"" terming actions right or wrong. |> |> If you were omniscient, you'd know who exactly did what, and with what |> purpose in mind. Then, with a particular goal in mind, you sould be |> able to methodically judge whether or not this action was in accordance |> with the general goal. But now you are contradicting yourself in a pretty massive way, and I don't think you've even noticed. In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the ""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some other species, either terrestrial or alien. Does that make it moral to do so? jon. " 11189,17,"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 10 ""D. C. Sessions"" writes: ># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? > Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just > told you, ""Zionism is Racism."" This is a tautological statement. I think you are confusing ""tautological"" with ""false and misleading."" -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org " 11190,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: news.C5JnK3.JKt Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >In article <1327@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes: >>In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu> bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu >>writes: >>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever >>> >>>10. 1984 Dodge Colt Vista - tachometer only avail. with automatic trans. >>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! >>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much >>less any Corvette. I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are >>trying to say here..... >Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side >would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of >parking stalls... >Regards, Charles >-- >Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of >separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, >struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing >gourd. --Unknown net.person Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he could see where he was backing up??? Although reverse lights on the sides are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they are colored white. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 11191,11,"From: koontzd@phobos.lrmsc.loral.com (David Koontz ) Subject: Re: Will FEDs troll for mutilated law enforcement blocks? Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers Lines: 43 The M code stream might be independently attacked based on knowledge of clipper chip protocols as revealed plaintext. This could be invalidated by changing the temporal and or spatial relationship of the clipper M stream and the actual transmitted stream, under the control of a secure key generator synchronized between endpoints. The useful life time of captured law enforcement blocks might be limited based on hostile forces using them as targets following transmission interception. You would need a large number of them, but, hey there's supposed to be millions of these things, right? Adding time stamps to the encrypted law enforcement block is probably impractical, who wants an encryption chip with a real time clock? ***************************************************************************** The entire idea of the law enforcement block can be invalidated. I just had the thought, that you could capture your own law enforcement blocks for session keys K that you will not use in actual transmissions as the session key authenticators. The proviso that you don't mind your own serial number being discovered. d. denning just sent out further information of a new version of the clipper chip. If a hash function were to be embedded in a clipper M transmission block reflecting the law enforcement block, it better not fall on 64 bit block boundaries. If it were a recognizeable datum, you could lie with it too. I like the randomizer inclusion in the MYK-80. I remember reading that Intel had an approved random noise source on silicon, hence the ability to put it Inside. You ever think that Mykotronx sounds like one of those made up names of companies used as fronts for intelligence organizations? " 11192,12,"Subject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book From: juhan@piko (Juhan Poldvere) Organization: Tartu University, Department of Chemistry Nntp-Posting-Host: piko.chem.ut.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 17 Lines: 17 In NEIL B. GANDLER (v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: :> I am an electrical engineering student and its a must that I get familiar :> with spice. I have been using it and getting used to it but it would :> be great to have a good reference manual that explains everything in an :> organized and concise. I current have ""A guide to circuit simulation & :> Analysis using spice"". I feel it has the information is just randomly placed :> in the book and its not easy to look up small things when you just :> need a good reference book. I would appreciate any info. Thanks There is a postscript manual at ic.berkeley.edu in pub/spice3/um.3f.ps directory (about 650kbytes, 126 pages). -- Juhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | juhan@chem.ut.ee Tartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440 2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429 " 11193,11,"From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) Subject: Re: I have seen the lobby, and it is us Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN Lines: 18 I agree that notifying your elected officials of your feelings on this (and any other, for that matter) issue is the way to go. And by the way, the phone #s on the list posted the other day were all in Washington D.C. -- For most of you, your elected officials will also maintain a local office in your area code. When I 'manage' my elected officials, I use their local office #'s exclusively, and my fax modem and windows-print-capture software are my tool of choice. They see my words as I have stated them, rather than a summary as they would if I called in /voice/ and left a comment with the office staff. -- Edward A. Bertsch (eab@msc.edu) Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc. Operations/User Services 1200 Washington Avenue South (612) 626-1888 work Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415 (612) 645-0168 voice mail [DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS; NOT MSCI'S] " 11194,9,"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) Subject: Re: Montreal Question....... Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: mbongo.ucsd.edu In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: |> |> What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it |> anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 He's a shortstop by training, but he's been at second (mostly) and third this year for the Expos. -- Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029 " 11195,4,"From: Marcus Bointon Subject: Sony 1304S problems Info please! X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 22:48:46 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: meridian.demon.co.uk Organization: Sound Impressions X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 33 Anyone out there have a Sony 1304S? I have one, and it's very nice, however - If I run it in 16"" mode, the picture won't go very big. I end up with about 1"" gap either side, and .5"" top & bottom. I suspect an internal adjustment would fix this. Anyone tried it? Another problem is sub-brightness: Areas that are meant to be black (or off the main raster) are not very black. The real raster is quite visible when the screen is blanked. This is not too severe, but it is just not as good as other Trini screens I have used. If I turn the brightness/contrast down so that the raster is not visible, the real image virtually disappears! The raster size is just right if I use 1024*768, but 100dpi+ is a bit too much! Oh, and I am using a RasterOps 24XLi card. Thanks Marcus Bointon marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------- Marcus Bointon Tel 081 852 6662 marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk Fax 081 244 5422 ""I used Windows for a week once, but I feel better now"" ------------------------------------------------------- " 11196,7,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) writes: >In jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes: >>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex, >>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the >>>list except for braking. >>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate; >>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki >>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the >>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly >>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated >>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at >>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda >>play, but not the best Saturn. Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k >I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest >assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even >the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about. >All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the >saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others >will do it way below sticker. >Srihari I'd hate to rehash an old thread, but... Would someone kindly quote a prices that a dealer quotes for a Civic EX, and Escort GT. Also, I'm a assuming that the MX-3 was the V-6, so go ahead and look that up, too. If someone has one of those yearly buyers' guides that give a low quote price, please quote them, too. Then find the the SC1 base price. Thanks. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* " 11197,12,"From: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Reply-To: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith Lines: 25 In article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu> st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes: > I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz > 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously > a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the > systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for > the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works > fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer > of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) > might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some > suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications > problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? > Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought > that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). > Are there any MC68882RC33? I, too, have a XC68882RC50 math coprocessor, which I installed succesfully in my Mega Midget Racer (clocked at 33 MHz). I have tried clocking my FPU at 28 to 50 MHz and it all worked just fine. I have a MC68030-33 CPU. I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system. Maybe you just have a bad chip. Stefan P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-) " 11198,4,"From: d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: SE rom Nntp-Posting-Host: eufrat.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 21 In <1993Apr20.085651.1@mrl.dsto.gov.au> ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au writes: >There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older >computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been >upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal >with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult There is one reason: market size. The market size for color quickdraw for accellerated plusses and SEs (which don't go beyond 4 MB anyway) is just too small; the extra cost would belike $1,000 and with that money, you can buy a color classic instead. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- -- I don't fear death, it's dying that scares me. " 11199,11,"From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org Distribution: na Organization: Thibault & Friends Lines: 10 In article (The Jester) writes: > Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk > space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your > computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly > messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin This sounds like a version Unix. Solaris? " 11200,17,"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 15 Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe I realize that incidences such as the one described in the letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think that might be a reason they report more clearly on the atrocities. What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races when they got power. It is unfortunate. " 11201,15,"From: abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Shawn Abigail) Subject: Re: ONLINE BIBLE as bible study Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 54 In eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE) writes: >Hello, I am about to embark on a bible study on ACTS. I have online >bible software with me. I would like to know the the background of the >authors of its various topics articles and about the author of the >People's New Testament. I need to know how realible is the articles in >the Online Bible software. Specifically (for your convenience) I want to >know about the : > 1. Darby Translation ( I have never heard of this one) J.N. Darby was one of the founders of the ""Plymouth Brethren"" and an early supporter of dispensationalism. F.F. Bruce highly approved of his translation. He also translated the Bible into several other languages. > 2. Young's Literal Translation (I have also never heard >of) This was from the same fellow who did Young's Concordance, which was a standard reference work, similar to Strong's concordance. > 3. The realiability of the Hebrew/Greek Lexicon I believe that these just follow standard reference works. > 4. The authors (from which denomination etc) of the >articles in the TOPICS modules. Some are by Larry Pierce (""Brethren""), some are by Baptists, and I think that Thompson (of chain reference fame) was Presbyterian) > 5. The realiability of the Treasury of Scripture >Knowlege ( as I have never heard of too) Another standard reference work that has been around for decades. A new version was just released and is available through Christian Book Distributers. > 6. Who are the commentators, Scofield and B.W. Johnson >who wrote the Scofield Reference Bible and the People's New Testament respectively C.I. Scofield was the creator of the Scofield Reference Bible. For many people (but not me), this is THE STUDY BIBLE. The notes are strongly dispensational. > 7. The realiability of the Strong numbers. These are probably the most accurate Strong's numbers available. Shawn Abigail abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca " 11202,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: klonopin and pregnancy Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 17 A(> From: adwright@iastate.edu () A(> A woman I know is tapering off klonopin. I believe that is one of the A(> benzodiazopines. She is taking a very minimal dose right now, half a tablet A(> a day. She is also pregnant. My question is Are there any known cases where A(> klonopin or similar drug has caused harmful effects to the fetus? A(> How about cases where the mother took klonopin or similar substance and had A(> normal baby. Any information is appreciated. She wants to get a feel for A(> what sort of risk she is taking. She is in her first month of pregnancy. Klonopin, according to the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference), is not a proven teratogen. There are isolated case reports of malformations, but it is impossible to establish cause-effect relationships. The overwhelming majority of women that take Klonopin while pregnant have normal babies. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 11203,10,"From: schock@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Craig Schock) Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!! Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Lines: 26 In article layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes: >In article mwm@aps.anl.gov writes: >>In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: >>> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) >>I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith >>put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when >>deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. >>If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. >> >>Mike McDowell > >I have to disagree with you on this one. It is anything BUT common. In the >4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER. > >I am not sure what league you have been watching. :-) > >Anyone else agree with this? Yes, Colin... I have to agree with you here... I've put the puck in my own net the same way Smith did... (only once, mind you :-) and it was definitely my fault. It is NOT a common play to play the puck the way that Smith did. Luckily, for me... when I did it... it was only a scrimmage :-) Craig " 11204,11,"From: deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Hobbit) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University Distribution: na Lines: 26 I have a question about digital communications encryption: The Fact Sheet mentioned encryption/decryption microcircuitry with special ""keys"" for law enforcement for wire tapping purposes. If I wanted to, couldn't I develop encryption of my own? That is, if me and a partner in crime had unique Encryption/decryption devices installed before the ""tappable"" one, couldn't we circumvent the ""keys"" system? Or replace it? I'd be really interested in knowing how the E/D microcircuits might be made to prevent such befuddlement! (Laymans' Language, please! maybe a bit technical...) Please E-mail to me, as I'm not in Net News as much as I'd like to be! Pete deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu -- ===================================== deuelpm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu ===================================== ""*Regret* is a rough sheet to sleep on."" -Herman Brooks " 11205,10,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner Summary - April 3, 1993 Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 53 allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly, but he's more-or-less harmless. On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of good taste: >According to Don, the entire article wasn't perfect, and there >were some 'shots' by Frank Musil and Alpo Suhonen. >Don noted that Musil wasn't much of a player (didn't >score many goals last year). He also made fun of their names... >One guy has a name like dog food, the other like a laxitive >(meta-Musil). This is the best he can do?!! Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism here. The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with this nonsense...making fun of names?? It's bad enough that he makes asinine blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun of their names too? He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video until he dropped the gloves... >On the subject of realignment, Don said that he liked the >new division names. Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division names. HELLO??!! McFly?? The names have been around for a couple of decades or so....he also invited the audience to ""Name the teams in the Wales...quick, quick!"" Followed by ""Ah, you don't know, I don't know...."" Sorry Don. Wrong on this one. >Ron (to Don): ""I don't know wy I like you on your show >for 30 minutes... I can hardly stand you on this show for 5."" This was absolutely hilarious. Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in the NBA case. Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity, has he? Don's question to Gretzky: >Wouldn't it be better >for you to change your friends so that they like the game, than for >us to change the game for your friends?"" Now this I liked. " 11206,10,"From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ick X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes: : : And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, : resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other : team captain trivia would be appreciated. : Luc Robitaille was captain of the Kings the first third of the season, until The Great One came back from his disc injury. It was kind of awkward, but Melrose appointed (anointed?) TGO as captain immediately upon his return, after which he did not score a goal for something like 10 games. I think Luc should have remained Captain all season. dvb " 11207,6,"From: cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Sawran) Subject: Bernoulli 44 Removeable SCSI Drive & Disks Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Storage space for sale: Iomega 44 MB removeable HD for sale w/ 16 cartridges. Total storage space comes out to be about 750 MB. 6 cartridges still in original shrinkwrapping, unused. Note: this is NOT compatible with SysQuest 45 cartridges. SCSI interface required... plugs right into the back of Macintoshes, but I don't have a controller for the IBM. All utilities I have for it are for the Mac. If you have a Mac, then this is for you! I have a ton of software on these disks that I don't use anymore, because I sold my mac system. Stuff included: Most of the PD stuff from info-mac site, LOTS of GIF's, and LOTS of sound effects. (1 entire disk with just sounds) I am asking $900 for all, plus shipping. For more information, send me mail (cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu) or call (716) 427-0701... ask for Sawran cheers chris cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu cxs2341@ritvax.isc.rit.edu " 11208,4,"From: isaaci@ccsg.tau.ac.il (barash isaac) Subject: Spigot on LC III Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center Lines: 16 A friend of mine has problems running Spigot LC on an LC III. His configuration is: Spigot LC / LC III, System 7.1 Video Spigot Extension 1.0 I would appriciate if I can get any postitive/negative experience with this setup. Thanks, -Amir " 11209,18,From: batwood@SU1AB.Harris-ATD.com (Brett Atwood) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Nntp-Posting-Host: su1ab.ess.harris.com Distribution: world Reply-To: batwood@su1b.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris (Government Communications System Division) Lines: 4 |> [ debate deleted ] I guess it is allowed. 11210,14,"From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace) Subject: ORION test film Reply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: sor.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept. Lines: 11 Is the film from the ""putt-putt"" test vehicle which used conventional explosives as a proof-of-concept test, or another one? --- C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ C/ Nathan F. Wallace C/C/ ""Reality Is"" C/ C/ e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu C/C/ ancient Alphaean proverb C/ C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ " 11211,19,"From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX Lines: 20 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article , pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) >wrote: >> In article >> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >> >Ignorance is not bliss! > >> Ignorance is STRENGTH! >> Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE! > >Huh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece >of information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above). > > >Cheers, >Kent >--- >sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. He was quoting Big Brother from Orwell's 1984. " 11212,17,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 227 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Center for Policy Research writes... >Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? > > >Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? >------------------------------------ > >While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they >repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and >attempt to starve the Gazans. Your comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising is insulting, and racist beyond belief. The attempts to quiet any violence in the Gaza Strip are just that. The efforts to quell murder and mayhem in the Gaza strip were the resluts of violence and came AFTER the violence. It was not an arbitrary racial move like the nazi treatment of Jews. Jews had NOT committed acts of violence and murder as have the residents of Gaza. I find your eagerness to ignore the acts of murder nothing more than anti-Israel bigotry. >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. It is NOT punishment, but protection from repeated attacks by residents of Gaza. You self-servingly omit any references to WHY Israel has had to take action. Apparaently the deaths of innocent Israeli civilians do not enter into your equation, a racist ommission on your part. >While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the >Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help >the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli >Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. > >The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is >recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of >justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to >rise up against its tormentors. The right of Israel to protect its citizens from murderers is also recognized by international law. Israeli civilians have been getting stabbed to death on a daily basis. If this wave of murder does not matter to you, then your posturing for the basic human rights you claim matter so much to you is nothing but an anti-Israel charade. >As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of >Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are >considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops >and fields. Do you know of residents of Gaza who have applied for Israeli citizenship and were denied? I have heard of no such denials taking place. Can you document this, or is this more of your stupid and innacurate propaganda? The truth is that if Gazan residents applied for citizenship, HAMAS would murder them as collaborators. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in >Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for >the Master Race. How dare you use such a disgusting phrase. How very easy you attack a people, when you omit facts which fly in the face of your pure racism. Perhaps you are judging a people to be the racists that you are. Do you believe that all Jews must have the same bigoted makeup as you? Here's another little fly in your ointment, about the 'master race,' for you to avoid... Two months ago a plane with 86 Bosnian Muslims left Bosnia to seek asylum in the middle east. Four Arab nations refused to grant them asylum. Then when Israli Arabs agreed to take the responsibility for them, they were allowed into Israel. Yes, Israel. But when the plane landed, the Israeli Arabs who had previously agreed to take care of them refused to be involved with the rescue project, because they felt that it would make Israel look good. It was more important to avoid any good PR for Israel than to take care of fellow Muslims. Israel moved them to a kibbutz, where they are safe and secure. The truth is that time after time the Islamic world has turned its back on Muslims in need more than Israel has. Even in the case of the 400 deportees, Lebanon was willing to let their so-called Arab brothers freeze to death rather than give them sanctuary in Lebanon. Nearly twice as many Palestinians have been murdered by other Palestinians than in confrontations with Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had been deported from Kuwait, just because they were Palestinian. The truth is that your phoney concern for the welfare of the Palestinians is nothing but an excuse to attack Israel. You are part of the ignorant effort to confine all concern for the welfare of the Palestinians to attacking Israel. But the truth is there are greater reasons than Israel for the plight of the Palestinians. To disregard Jordan or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil-rich nations who do nothing for these people, is to use the plight of these poor people as a vehicle for your hatred of Jews, or your hatred of Israel. Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism is NOT the same as pro-Palestinian and anyone who insists that it is the same really does not give two hoots for their welfare. >The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the >right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the >occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some >Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over >Gaza through Arab collaborators. Your pathetic analogy is so absent of relevant fact that your racism cannot be disguised. Jews had never declared war on a Polish people. Jews had never attacked Poles with knives, or had used the Ghetto as a staging ground for attacks. To take something like the Warsaw Ghetto(the creation of which you do not even bother to discuss!)and the uprising that followed is to degrade the dead, and to show that intelligent debate on a difficult situation is beyond your intellectual purview. You clearly have never even read a single word of the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Here is arguably the single most anti-semitic genocidal document since Mein Kampf, yet it is totally disregarded in your rantings. Your racism is most evident in your eagerness to avoid such documentation. If it were considered, you might actually have to deal with mideast problems in a balanced manner, rather than in an anti-semitic manner. >As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible >with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming >Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for >self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish >society does not consider Gazans full human beings. And just how was Gaza obtained? Do you forget that Israel is not in the habit of grabbing land for the hell of it, but had taken Gaza in a war that it did not start? Did you know land Israel captures in wars, wars which other nations have ALWAYS started, aren't the same as Israel, and they are subject to a completely different set of international laws? Since you do continuously refer to international law, would you please say what specific international laws Israel is violating? This attitude >is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. I can cite 6,000,000 reasons why it is not. > The >current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are >consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister >Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. Where is this quote? I have never heard Rabin assert that he wished such a thing. Since you are in general a liar, you'll have to provide the entire quote, with source, or this effort will be regarded as just another one of your fabrications. > One is led to ask >oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister >goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution >up their sleeve ? Only you are led to ask such a loaded, racist, intellectually dishonest question. You inability to come to terms with what you are has turned you into a racist of the highest order. >I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever >they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and >political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. Why do you not feel the same compassion for the Jews of Iran, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria? Do you have an inkling of what they have endured over the past decades? Or, what about the plight of the Palestinians in Kuwait? Or what about the treatment of the Bosnian Muslims? Do you think the residents of Gaza are being subjected to what all the Muslims in Bosnia are enduring? Why are you indifferent to the death and suffering of people? Why do you not care that these folk are being exterminated? Why do you not care that only Israel has given any of these people safe haven? Could it be due to the fact that it is not Israel who is doing the killing? The people in Gaza are not being exterminated. They aren't being killed. They aren't being raped. They aren't being starved. They aren't being driven from their lands. They are not kept from receiving food or other supplies. But the Bosnians are. And the ONLY country which has provided some sanctuary to the Bosnian Muslims is the same nation that you have devoted your life to attacking, in the guise of compassion. Your rantings are so unfettered by the burden of intellectual honesty that you ought to take a deep breath and ask yourself what your real motives are. Do not flatter yourself into the belief that truth or compassion are what drives you. In your case, it is clear that hate beats out love every time. Maybe you are burdened with some kind of guilt for having been born a Jew. It is obvious that your hatred of your own Judaism is being dumped on all other Jews. Why else would you suggest a racist idea like breeding Jews out of existence? Maybe these fits of anti-semitism are a result of being cut off from your own people for an extended period. Whatever the case may be, it is clear that you are not what you have labored so hard to appear to be. When you realize that you can't care for other people while you hate yourself you might actually begin to do some good. But for now, you are a fruad. " 11213,7,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes: >In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>In article chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: >> >>>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe. >> >> Wagon has an automatic, it's slower. >> >Could be due to the rear-end ratio also. > >Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from >my limited experience anyways. You'll have fun looking for the rear-end gears on an SHO--the Taurus is a front-wheel-drive vehicle... I went back and checked the article again; The SHO Wagon is quicker than the SHO automatic, but significantly slower than the REAL SHO. Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an SHO anyway. I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic transmissions from all ""performance-type"" cars (like the 5.0l Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans, but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" " 11214,1,"From: eapu207@orion.oac.uci.edu (John Peter Kondis) Subject: I need to make my VGA do shades. Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Lines: 12 I have a routine that changes the color (RGB) attributes on my VGA adapter, but it doesn't work in the mode that I need. Specifically 68 hex. An obscure mode, of course, but I need to change the zillions of colors to 64 shade greyscale, but I do not have the correct memory address for the pointer I need. PLEASE, someone, I need the starting address, or maybe somewhere I can find it. Thank you. 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Foard) writes: >> >> did you know that Jesus talked more >> about hell than He did about heaven! > > Thank you for this info. What respect I had for the man now > has been diminished tenfold. I promise never again to > say how wise or loving this man was... I have a hard time understanding this attitude. If the gospels are the least bit accurate, then there can be little doubt that Jesus belived hell was a reality. As a teacher, what would be the wise and loving thing to do if people in your audience were headed there? To warn them! It would, however, be rather cruel and/or sadistic to believe that such a place exists and then remain quiet about it. The only scenario I can envision in which dimished respect would be justified is if Jesus knew there was no such place as hell, and spoke about it anyway, just to scare people. Unless you would accuse Jesus of this, I would encourage you to reconsider what a loving response is when you perceive someone to be in danger. --- Dave Weaver | ""He is no fool who gives what weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com | he cannot keep to gain what he | cannot lose."" - Jim Elliot (1949) " 11218,17,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 31 In article <1qev18INNnk7@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.142902.14479@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >|> As for israelis, Menahim Begal Begin and Yitzhak Shakh Shamir were leaders > ^^^^^ ^^^^^ >Cute, real cute. Now can you please stop being childish and get on >with the issues? > >|> of many of these gangs that massacred Palestineans and became the >|> HEROS of israel and its Prime ministers. Oh sorry I forgot Ben Gurion, >|> too. I hope he is enjoying his coffin . Now, if israelis donot support >|> (which i doubt) the oppression and killing from 1930's-now, You probably mean the mass murders of Jews in the West Bank between 1936-1939. >|> Hasan >Shai Guday Naftaly ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" " 11219,6,"Subject: CDs for sale [update] From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 31 CDs for sale shipping is included Barcelona Gold Freddie Mercury, Tevin Campbell, En Vogue INXS, Madonna, Eric Clapton, Sarah Brightman ($9.00) Wayne's World Queen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper Eric Clapton ($9.00) Extreme II Pronograffitti ($9.00) Saturday Night Live Band Live from New York ($7.00) Harry Connick, JR. Blue Light *Sold* (just open, $10.00) Dances with Woives ($9.00) *Sold* Handel Classical ($ 6.00) *Sold* Please send your reply to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu Package deal is welcome. Douglas Kou Hiram College " 11220,10,"From: dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) Subject: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets? Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 6 The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets? Dean Money dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu " 11221,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Stereo Pix of planets?y Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks In article <1993Apr20.010326.8634@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes: > Can anyone tell me where I might find stereo images of planetary and > planetary satellite surfaces? GIFs preferred, but any will do. I'm > especially interested in stereos of the surfaces of Phobos, Deimos, Mars > and the Moon (in that order). > Thanks. ames.arc.nasa.gov not sure what subdirectory thou.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked PS: I know it has a GIF area as well as SPACE and other info.. " 11222,12,"From: musone@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mark J. Musone) Subject: MC SBI mixer Organization: UB Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related subjects. I am currently learning about AM/FM receivers and recieving circuits. I understand a lot of things ,but a few things I am confused abuot. The first is the MIXER, to mix the RF and local oscillator frequencies to make the IF. Does anyone have any cicruit diagrams (as simple as possible) for this kind of mixer? I have come across a MC-SBL mixer chip But I have not been able to find it in any catalogs (ACTIVE,etc...) Along the same note, are there any SIMPLE fm receiver circuits anyone may have stashed away somewhere and they couold let me see?. P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot. I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help. Thanks, Mark Musone " 11223,12,"From: zklf0b@wwnv28.hou.amoco.com (Fergason) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Amoco Production Lines: 21 In article <1ql7ug$i50@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes: >In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: >|> >|> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >|> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >|> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to >|> sell them but have gotten NO interest. >|> >|> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy >|> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing >|> about it. > >The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-) > >JohnH I used a bunch as weights, when building a model airplane. Hung them on the stringers, across the stringer, or whatever. Worked pretty well. Kelly " 11224,2,"From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: WinQVT/Net V3.4? Article-I.D.: biochemi.ashok.661.0 Distribution: usa Organization: CWRU School of Medicine Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu In article <354@lorien.OCF.LLNL.GOV> dave@angmar.llnl.gov (Dave Fuess) writes: >An earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to >WinQVT/Net version 3.4. Realy? Where? I tried archie >with no luck. It's probably just a typo. Not a typo. It was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu a couple days back. >But I sure would like to get one if it's real as I too >have a printer problem in WinQVT. Version 3.4 uses standard Windows printer drivers. Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300 CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544 " 11225,10,"From: ayim@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim) Subject: And... THEY'RE OFF!!!!! Keywords: Leafs Chicago Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 39 Well, I gotta tell ya, last night's Leafs game vs the Devils was a nail-bitter LET ME TELL YOU! It was a well played game by BOTH teams (I thought) but according to the Don and Ron it was the an ""off-night"" for the Leafs and the Devils were outplaying Toronto. Well, I BEG to differ.... IMHO, Clark deserved to be a first star as much as Gilmour did. His fast breaks towards the net and the good opportunites that he created reminded me of the Clark of old. (But not to take any of the credit away from Gilmour). I think the Leafs are playing GREAT hockey. WHY? Well first look at their injury list which includes, Cullen, Ellet, Zezel, Macoun. Of course my question is this....how will the Leafs fare when they are once again ""healthy"" if they are playing this well so far?? Second, just look at their standings, still second in defence, moved from 11th overall to 6th over in the last month, haven't lost at home in last 12 games, 8 game undefeated streak..etc. (BTW, am I wrong or was this Potvin's first shut-out? I can't remember him having any as of yet.) Well, as of April 3 we see that the race for first in the Norris has truly begun and it will be a VERY CLOSE race between Chicago and Toronto. And the best game of the season will probably be their last against each other. (is anyone lucky enough to have tickets to see this one?) Coming to the stretch and still a ROAR'IN!!!!! Go LEAFS Go!!!! -- ****************************************** * Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim * Toronto wins the * 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) * ( ? ) CUP. * University of Waterloo, Canada. * i like ""coca-cola"" idea personally * E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu * ***************************************************************************** " 11226,16,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Will CS burn or explode Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes: >The FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in >Waco. CS tear gas is a fine power. Is CS inflammable. Grain dust >suspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air >form an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the >rapid spread of fire in the compound? No chance. If that CS ignited at all, it would have been quite similar to a grain bin explosion. Explosion, I note. The entire compound would have been leveled, not merely burned. As there was no explosion, there was no CS ignition causing the fire. Note: at five miles a decent grain elevator explosion will knock you on your butt and your ears will ring for days. I speak from experience here. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > " 11227,14,"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: I want that Billion Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 37 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1r6rn3INNn96@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: >>You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know >>of a private Titan pad? > >You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff *if* you assume >no new launcher development. If you assume new launcher development, with >lower costs as a specific objective, then you probably don't want to >build something HLV-sized anyway. > >Nobody who is interested in launching things cheaply will buy Titans. It >doesn't take many Titan pricetags to pay for a laser launcher or a large >gas gun or a development program for a Big Dumb Booster, all of which >would have far better cost-effectiveness. Henry, I made the assumption that he who gets there firstest with the mostest wins. Ohhh, you want to put in FINE PRINT which says ""Thou shall do wonderous R&D rather than use off-the-shelf hardware""? Sorry, didn't see that in my copy. Most of the Pournellesque proposals run along the lines of reward for . You go ahead and do your development, I'll buy off the shelf at higher cost (or even Russian; but I also assume that there'd be some ""Buy US"" provos in there) and be camped out in the Moon while you are launching and assembling little itty-bitty payloads in LEO with your laser or gas gun. And working out the bugs of assembly & integration in LEO. Oh, hey, could I get a couple of CanadARMs tuned for the lunar environment? I wanna do some teleoperated prospecting while I'm up there... Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- " 11228,7,"From: baker@DFWVX1.DALLAS.GEOQUEST.SLB.COM Subject: insurance says car is totalled. Nntp-Posting-Host: dfwvx1.dallas.geoquest.slb.com Reply-To: baker@dfwdsr.sinet.slb.com Organization: Schlumberger Data Services - Dallas Lines: 26 on wednesday morning, another driver decided to illegally turn left in front of me, doing great damage to my car (Honda Civic). i have yet to pay off the car, and the body shop says the insurance company wants to total the car. i haven't been able to get in touch with the person handling my claim, so i checked on some things: 1) my payout is $3700.00 2) Blue Book retail is $5650.00 3) loan value is $4450.00 4) trade-in value is $4000.00 could anyone give me any advice on what i should/could do if the insurance company does not give me a reasonable amount for the loss of the car. thanks, james baker baker@dfwvx1.dallas.geoquest.slb.com " 11229,5,"From: mishra@cs.sunysb.edu (Prateek Mishra) Subject: ..Image processing Packages under X.. Keywords: ..medical informatics.. Nntp-Posting-Host: sbmishra Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook Lines: 14 I am looking for a package that implements standard image processing functions (reading/writing from standard formats), clipping, zoom, etc. implemented under X. Both public domain and private packages are of interest. The particular application area I have in mind is medical imaging, but a package meant for a more general context would be acceptable. Please reply to me; I will summarize on the net if there is general interest. - prateek mishra mishra@sbcs.sunysb.edu " 11230,19,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality Keywords: being liberal Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr5.182411.7621@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly >mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, Actually, there is one condemnation of lesbian acts in the Bible, Romans 1:26. I think. In >any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who >do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual >as an ""immoral lifestyle choice"" There are plenty who don't read the Bible. Or pray for that matter. Link Hudson. " 11231,12,"From: Joseph N Hosteny Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Do you know if there is an airport nearby? They may just be markers to tell pilots of small planes that there are power lines nearby. /Joe " 11232,3,"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: 486DX-50 vs. 486DX2-50 ? Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 30 AY> In many recent advertisements I have seen both ""486DX-50"" and ""486DX AY>based systems. Does the first really exists and does it imply that all AY>circuitry on the motherboard with it works at that speed, as opposite AY>latter, where only the internals of the CPU are working at 50MHz? AY> AY> Many thanx in advance! AY> AY>Andrew. Andrew, yes there is a DX and DX2 version of the 50MHz 486. If you are considering buying one or the other, definitely go for the DX with a nice size external cache! The performance is far greater. The DX2 only has the internal 8k cache to work with at 50MHz, while the DX has a potentially much larger cache to work at 50MHz with. Neither systems could actually run a program out of main memory, since DRAM is still too slow for that high of bus speed ( 60ns = 16.66MHz < 50MHz ). -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | " 11233,15,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 61 Vera Shanti Noyes writes; >this is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination. >am i correct? i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all >choose whether or not we will accept God's gift of salvation to us. >again, fundamental difference which can't really be resolved. Of course I believe in Predestination. It's a very biblical doctrine as Romans 8.28-30 shows (among other passages). Furthermore, the Church has always taught predestination, from the very beginning. But to say that I believe in Predestination does not mean I do not believe in free will. Men freely choose the course of their life, which is also affected by the grace of God. However, unlike the Calvinists and Jansenists, I hold that grace is resistable, otherwise you end up with the idiocy of denying the universal saving will of God (1 Timothy 2.4). For God must give enough grace to all to be saved. But only the elect, who he foreknew, are predestined and receive the grace of final perserverance, which guarantees heaven. This does not mean that those without that grace can't be saved, it just means that god foreknew their obstinacy and chose not to give it to them, knowing they would not need it, as they had freely chosen hell. ^^^^^^^^^^^ People who are saved are saved by the grace of God, and not by their own effort, for it was God who disposed them to Himself, and predestined them to become saints. But those who perish in everlasting fire perish because they hardened their heart and chose to perish. Thus, they were deserving of God;s punishment, as they had rejected their Creator, and sinned against the working of the Holy Spirit. >yes, it is up to God to judge. but he will only mete out that >punishment at the last judgement. Well, I would hold that as God most certainly gives everybody some blessing for what good they have done (even if it was only a little), for those He can't bless in the next life, He blesses in this one. And those He will not punish in the next life, will be chastised in this one or in Purgatory for their sins. Every sin incurs some temporal punishment, thus, God will punish it unless satisfaction is made for it (cf. 2 Samuel 12.13-14, David's sin of Adultery and Murder were forgiven, but he was still punished with the death of his child.) And I need not point out the idea of punishment because of God's judgement is quite prevelant in the Bible. Sodom and Gommorrah, Moses barred from the Holy Land, the slaughter of the Cannanites, Annias and Saphira, Jerusalem in 70 AD, etc. > if jesus stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is not a >good parallel, but i'm going to go with it anyway), why should we not >stop the murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more >innocent? We should stop the slaughter of the innocent (cf Proverbs 24.11-12), but does that mean that Christians should support a war in Bosnia with the U.S. or even the U.N. involved? I do not think so, but I am an isolationist, and disagree with foreign adventures in general. But in the case of Bosnia, I frankly see no excuse for us getting militarily involved, it would not be a ""just war."" ""Blessed"" after all, ""are the peacemakers"" was what Our Lord said, not the interventionists. Our actions in Bosnia must be for peace, and not for a war which is unrelated to anything to justify it for us. Andy Byler " 11234,6,"From: ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes) Subject: Wanted: One way flight from Des Moines to Chicago Summary: Ticket needed on 28th of May Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 5 Hi I need a one way flight ticket from Des Moines to Chicago on the 28th of May 1993. please send your replies to jasonlim@iastate.edu or to this account as soon as possible thank you " 11235,16,"From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Nntp-Posting-Host: taos Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes: |> On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the |> family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's |> Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before |> the raid. The briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a similar local property which had sold for $800,000 prior to the raid, if recent TV coverage can be believed. |> This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property; |> any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse. The Ventura County DA came to the same conclusion in the report he released, which lambasted the Sheriff's Office. Too bad the old man was nearly blind, and didn't take a few goose-stepping Drug Warriors (TM) with him. -- Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) " 11236,12,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 60 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article <1993Apr5.083324.48826@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: |> I have a project that was drooped in my lap that is somewhat a pain to design. |> What I am looking for is a stable ultra-long solid state timer. What they want |> to do is to place this thing on the Antartic ice shelf and measure the amount |> of snow fall over a period of six weeks. Every two weeks, they want to trip a |> selonoid to discharge different colored pellets by gas pressure out across the |> snow. Then by digging down into the snow, the snow fall amount can be measured |> as they come to the different color pellets. |> |> The problem is trying to build a timer that would stand the cold (-40 degrees) |> and a power source that wouldn't drain. I have looked at the XR-2204 timers and |> the standard NE556 dual timers, but thier temp specs won't go that low. Also, |> two weeks equates to 1,209,600 seconds per firing, which means one big timing |> cap ! I have found 2.2 farad (yes, Farad !) caps that have a working voltage of |> 5 volts and are small in size. But again, the time of discharge at -40 or lower |> degrees isn't linear. I was thinking of using several timers chained together |> to fire the selonid at the end of the timing period, but that blasted cold and |> the drain on a battery over six weeks is the pain. One possibility would be to |> use solar panels, but this is during the six month twilight. Anyone have any |> good ideas ? |> |> Thanks in advance... |> |> -=-= Wes =-=- Firstly, I would never consider trying to make a one-shot timer. Your 2F2 cap will have been designed as a RAM battery substitute, rather than for use in applications where you wish to drain the cap with a constant current. Their performance, in some respects, is more akin to batteries than to a normal cap. The other point is that big electro's are usually rated with -5%+20% tolerances, so calculating exactly what capacitance you have (particularly when considering the cold). You should be looking at designing a micropower oscillator and divider chain, that ""rolls over"" (from zero to maximum count, or vice-versa) once every 1,209,600 seconds. If you were to use something like a 110Hz clock, you would need a divider chain of 2^27, to give an error of less than one percent in the firing times over the six week period. Of course, you could trim the 110Hz oscillator to give you exact time, but the likelyhood of the oscillator remaining exactly constant at -40 is low anyway. I would suspect that there would be far more battrey drain in firing the solenoid than there would be in the timer circuit. Caveat - I'm not experienced in low temperature electronics, so I can't guarantee that this (or any other) approach is the best for inhospitable conditions. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " 11237,9,"From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Article-I.D.: pilot.Apr.6.00.33.22.1993.26417 Distribution: na Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken Lines: 7 ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about those sort of things. but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty funny things in his ""shooting from the lip"" columns... - bob gaj " 11238,2,"Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services From: Mark Woodruff Subject: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore Lines: 18 I've been running Dos 6 for about a month. I was generally impressed with the improvements: the multiple boot configurations were great, the new commands were nice, and DoubleSpace worked fine (twice as slow for large data transfers, twice as fast for small with SmartDrv). Until now. This morning at 4 am while I was working on my research paper, I had to reboot a hung Dos program (that did no disk i/o) from within Windows 3.1. When my machine finished rebooting, I found my windows directory and about two thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted. I cannot afford problems like this. I'm returning to Dos 5. mark P.S. I've also noticed bad sector errors from DoubleSpace where none should exist. " 11239,12,"From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) Subject: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 14 As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have any advice? Thanks. _I_______________________________________________________________________I_ (_@_) (_@_) | | Raymond Yeung Internet: Nimbus@uiuc.edu | | | | rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | | | | EE student at the | | | | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | | | | at Urbana-Champaign | | (___)-------------------------------------------------------------------(___) I I " 11240,7,"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 38 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) says: >brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes: > >>I think he's talking about a different form of rush. Evidently, it's fun to be >>terrified. But hey, if you want that kind of rush, try bobsledding. You may >>only get up to 80 or so, but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the >>park. > >Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear >going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using >either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush >for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster. > >But in one point You are quite right. If You are terrified at 130 You >should better not drive that fast, or You'll be a hazard to others. > >BTW, before You flame me, read my E-Mail address. I know what I'm >talking about, as I live in Germany. > >>- BK > >Chris crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de not a flame, just a point: I'd be scared at 130 here, not because i feel _I_ or my car couldn't handle it, but because of exactly what you said: drivers who are STUPID. Like the ones who are doing 130 also, and so they pull in right behind you at maybe 1-2 car lengths....oh yeah, real smart... This scares me in cities at 50. When i can't see enough of the car to make it recognizable, they are following TOO CLOSE. And when i see them doing this AND reading a newspaper.....*sigh*...this is why America has 55-65 speed limits: our drivers are TOO DUMB to realise that reading the paper should be done at breakfast, or work, not in their car. my thoughts.. DREW " 11241,4,"From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) Subject: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 10 This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just introduced. I'm thinking of getting one to use at home. Have any of you had any experience with this printer? Does it have Level-2 PostScript? If you've bought one, are you happy with it? -- John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 " 11242,18,"From: dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 51 brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian ""Drakula"" Stone) writes: >>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >>-- >Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality >uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all >homosexual and bisexual men. It would seem more logical to say that since >the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity >larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. I don't understand what you are getting at here. If the chances of promiscuity are larger, yet the rate of promiscuity is lower in the heterosexual community, doesn't that imply that the homo/bi sexual population is then even more promiscuous than the raw statistics imply? (No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.) >Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect). >So... whose promiscuous? >Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because >someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... >Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged to develop ""non-promiscuous"" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays are immoral. ""My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"" Just some thoughts. Flame away. :) Dan " 11243,5,"From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.intel.com Originator: tmcconne@sedona In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: > berry@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (Andrew Berry) writes: > > Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about > $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to > redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups > pertaining to Motif has been high. > > > >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial > >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using > >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using > >the Motif widget sets). > > > I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif > by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX > platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. Let me add another of my concerns: Yes, I can buy a port of Motif for ""cheap"", but I cannot get the source for ""cheap"", hence I am limited to using whatever X libraries the Motif port was compiled against (at least with older versions of Motif. I have been told that Motif 1.2 can be used with any X, but I have not seen it myself). Currently, I have X11R5 running on eight different unix platforms, of which only three came with Motif. On those three, I am unable to use the X11R5 libraries to build Motif clients, because I get link errors between the vendor-supplied port of Motif and my X11R5. I anticipate having this same problem when X11R6 becomes available. The result is that I cannot build Motif clients that rely on X11R5, since I do not have Motif compiled under X11R5. True, I could buy another port of Motif, but that sort of ruins the whole idea of ""free"", doesn't it? Cheers, Tom McConnell -- Tom McConnell | Internet: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com Intel, Corp. C3-91 | Phone: (602)-554-8229 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | The opinions expressed are my own. No one in Chandler, AZ 85226 | their right mind would claim them. " 11244,16,"From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: FBI Director's Statement on Waco Standoff Article-I.D.: shelley.1r2ko0INNqe5 Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: >We have NO evidence that BATF & FBI would not have started shooting >when and if people had started coming out of the burning building. Oh? How about the press? If the BATF & FBI were going to shoot people leaving a burning building, don't you think they would get rid of the press first? --Tim Smith " 11245,4,"From: James_Jim_Frazier@cup.portal.com Subject: MO driver compatibility? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 10 It's my understanding that, when you format a magneto-optical disc, (1) the formatting software installs a driver on the disc, (2) if you insert the disc in a different drive, then this driver is loaded into the computer's memory and then controls the drive, and (3) if this driver is incompatible with the drive, then the disc can not be mounted and/or properly read/written Is that correct? Thanks, Jim Frazier 73447.3113@compuserve.com " 11246,18,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Remarks at Summer Jobs Conference 4.14.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 378 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 14, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT AT SUMMER JOBS CONFERENCE Hyatt Regency Crystal City, Virginia 11:22 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. The speech that Octavius gave says more than anything I will be able to say today about why it's important to give all of our young people a chance to get a work experience and to continue to learn, to merge the nature of learning and work; why it's important to honor the efforts of people like Jerry Levin and Nancye Combs and Pat Irving and all of those who are here. I want to thank the Secretaries of Labor and Education and all the people who work with them for sponsoring this; and my good friend, Governor Wilder, for being here and for speaking; and all of the business and local community leaders from the city and county and state level from around America who are here. This has been a pretty fun day. (Laughter.) I loved hearing the young people sing. It was music to my ears because it is their future that we are really struggling about. (Applause.) A year and a half ago I began the quest to seek the presidency because I was concerned about their future. Because I believe that our country, which had always been a beacon of hope for the young, had too little opportunity, was too divided among ourselves across lines of income and race and region and other ways, without a vision to take us into the future. I entered with the hope that together we could create more opportunity and insist on much more responsibility from all of our people. But in the process we might recreate the best of America's community, knowing that together we could always to more than we could individually and that we might secure our future. All of you here today are committed to that. The 1,000 jobs that Jerry Levin has committed Time-Warner to is symbolic of the commitments made by many of the private sector people who are here, and those who are around the country. The work that Nancye Combs does, and the successes of all the young people like those on this stage, and especially the eloquent statement Octavius Jeffers -- all those things show that together we know what we need to do, and we're on the right track. Last July when I was traveling across America's heartland in my luxurious bus, I visited Seneca High School in Louisville, Kentucky. And there I met young people and business people who were participating in the Louisville Education and Employment Partnership. I saw what Nancye Combs talked about today. I saw how the young people were making an extra effort to succeed both in school and at work. I saw, as I have seen many times in my own state, the principle illustrated that Octavius has talked about -- that for millions of American young people it is really an impediment to both their learning and their ability to be good workers to draw a sharp dividing line between what is work and what is learning. In the world in which we are living, the average young person will change the nature of work seven or eight times in a lifetime. We must learn to merge the work world and the learning world much better. And we must determine that all of our young people see the opportunities that some of them have had showcased here today. Whether you're in business or in government or in education, you know that we have a big job to do when it comes to building a future that really, honestly includes opportunity for all of our people. There are still a lot of people who say, well, things are pretty good here in Washington and everything's fine; the best thing we can do about this whole thing is nothing. They all have jobs. (Laughter.) All the people who say that. (Applause.) They all have health insurance. They all have a pretty good education. And they all have a pretty secure knowledge that they'll be okay no matter what happens. I say that not to be either political or unduly critical, but to point out that one of the great challenges of this age for every advanced nation -- everyone -- is to fully develop the capacities of all of its people, and then find work for them to do. All the European countries have higher unemployment rates than we do, but also stronger support systems for the unemployed. The Japanese unemployment rate has been going up. They're going to adopt a stimulus that, even if you count it in its most rigorous terms, is three or four times bigger than the one that I have proposed to create jobs. In West Germany alone, the unemployment rate is now about as high as ours. This is a big problem for advanced nations. It costs a lot of money to add an extra employee, with a lot of pressure from low-wage producers in other countries that are growing their own economies and trying to provide new opportunity for their people. But it is especially important for America for two reasons: One is, we have a whole lot of folks who, unless we move aggressively, will not have the education and skills we need to be competitive and productive in a nation like this. The second is, even if we educate them all, if there aren't jobs they will be robbed of the fruits of their educational labors. People need to be able to work in this country. (Applause.) We have always had some unemployment; and, indeed, some of it is normal. You've always got some people leaving jobs and moving around the country and doing first one thing and another. We have now, at this moment in our history, the necessity for all big organizations, including the government, to reexamine the way they are organized and who ask whether there are too many people working at some kinds of jobs. But in the whole, we must still be able to create jobs in a country like America, to provide people with the chance to work. It's going to be difficult for me to make the welfare reform proposals that I will make to Congress in the next couple of months -- it's going to be hard for me to make those work if, at the end of all this work, to get off welfare there isn't a job. (Applause.) So we have two tasks. One is to develop the capacity of the American people to perform without regard to race or income or the circumstances of their birth. The other is to make sure that there are some opportunities for them to bring to bear for their talent and to be rewarded with a paycheck. It is a great challenge. I do not pretend that all of the answers are simple. But I know if you want to ask the American people, all of them, to be more responsible, if you want to recreate a sense of community in this country that bridges the lines of race and income and region, you have got to have opportunity in that mix. A part of our vision for America has to be a future for every young person in this country who's willing to play by the rules and work hard and strive for the end of the rainbow. There has to be something at the end of that rainbow. And that is what we are basically here to talk about today: What can we all do as partners, recognizing none of us can do it alone, to develop the capacities of our people to succeed wherever they live and whatever their background. And then, what can we do to make sure that there's something there for them to do? The summer jobs program we're discussing today is an integral part of that plan, because it will promote the values of work and opportunity and fairness, community. It will put the people first, and it does have a partnership between the public and private sector. I said when I addressed the United States Congress in February on this program that I would seek to create about 700,000 extra summer jobs from government sources and then challenge the American business community to meet that target so that we can create more than a million new summer jobs over and above what had been created before. Many, many people have responded to that challenge. And Jerry is just a shining example of that which has been replicated in this room and around the country -- people who are going to do more than they otherwise would in the private sector to give young people a work experience. And it is terribly important. I want to emphasize that this summer jobs program is part of an overall commitment to increase the capacity of the American people -- from retraining defense workers who lose their jobs and other adults who need to acquire new skills; to improving the transition from school to work for young people who don't go to college but do need at least two years of post-high school training either on the job or in a community college or a vocational setting, so that they can be competitive workers, making it possible for more people to go on to college who do want to go. All these things are part and parcel of a comprehensive plan. It's also important, as I said, that we create more jobs. The emergency jobs program that I asked the Congress to adopt would create a half a million extra jobs over the next year and a half, and that would reduce the unemployment rate by a half a percent. It would also enable us to absorb more young people coming into the work force in jobs that otherwise will not be created. It also will help a lot of cities and counties to invest in things that need to be done at the grass-roots level -- projects long delayed, water projects, sewer projects, park projects, new industries and particularly in small and medium-size communities -- a whole range of things that will improve the economy and improve the environment. The summer jobs program is an important part of that because we have tried for the first time, through the work of the Labor Department and the Education Department and through reaching out to people like you, to make this more than just a one-shot summer jobs program; to integrate it with private sector efforts; to hopefully replicate it in each coming summer; to move these young people into further educational opportunities and to further job opportunities; and to have a strong, meaningful education component to these summer jobs -- something that the United States government has never fully emphasized before. A lot of these young people, as you well know, because they come from difficult backgrounds, because they go to school in difficult and challenging circumstances, need extra help in building their basic skills in math and language, reasoning and in other areas. And a lot of educational studies show that young people who have difficulty in school often forget as much as 30 percent of what they learn over the summer and then that has to be repeated the next year. What we are trying to do here is to give people the opportunity to learn good work habits and to reinforce their learning skills and to put them together; and then, hopefully, over the next couple of years, if our entire program passes, to give every school in this country the opportunity to have a good work and learning environment. There will be more applied academics, more opportunities for people to learn and work during the school year, so that this will not simply be an isolated moment for these young folks, but will be a part of building a whole new educational experience, a whole new work experience, and moving on a pathway to a better future. The summer jobs programs are not designed to be make- work jobs. They're designed to make a future for the people holding the job. And that's what they will do. In the process, they'll help to build local communities, to strengthen local economies, to solve local problems. Real jobs -- renovating housing, repairing public buildings, doing clerical work, providing nursing assistance in hospitals, supervising and training children at child care centers, and learning all the way. Challenging young people to learn while they earn, but letting them earn. You know, it's very difficult to make a case to people who have never seen opportunity on their own street that they should do this, that, or the other thing if there's no evidence of the opportunity that's at the end of the effort. I have not been sparing in going for the last year-and-a-half into places where it isn't exactly popular to say it, and say I wanted to reform the welfare system; I wanted to toughen child support; I wanted to require people to work; I was sick and tired of people being irresponsible in the use of guns on the streets, and I wanted to change all that. But if you're going to summon people to greater responsibility, you have to reward them when they do the right thing with opportunity. (Applause.) The young people we propose to put to work under our program will spend 90 hours learning basic skills, such as math, reading, writing -- either on the job in the classroom. They will stretch their minds as well as work up a sweat. They will have a sense of accomplishment. It will literally be a summer challenge, but a challenge that will take them into a different life. So I want to ask all of you to support this effort even as I, as your President, support your effort. At the end of the summer we will evaluate all the young people who participate. We'll see whether they, instead of falling behind over the summer academically as too many young people do, they stayed even or moved ahead. I suspect that they will. This summer, Secretary Reich and Secretary Riley and I will be visiting many of your communities. We'll really try to learn from you which of these efforts are working, what we should do next summer, how we can build it in to what goes on during the school year, how we can build in our job training efforts and the works that we do with your companies to make sense of this whole thing -- so that we maximize the impact of the taxpayer dollar and your private investments as well. We want to honor the companies and the communities, the business leaders and the young people who do the very best jobs this summer. And, again, I want to say to all of you in private business who have matched our effort, I thank you. And to all of you who haven't, and those across the country who may listen or learn about this event today, I want to implore other private employers to stretch a little bit to give other young people a chance to work this summer. I'm telling you, we cannot go through another 10 years when we don't give these children anything to say yes to. If we exhort them to do right, we've got to be able to reward them. (Applause.) When the other speakers were talking, I was sitting up here on the platform, listening and reveling. And they got talking about work, and I got to thinking about all the different things I've done to make a living in my life. When I was 13, I made a very foolish short-term business investment: I set up a comic book stand and sold two trunks full of comic books. Made more money than I had ever had in my life. But if I had saved those trunks, they'd be worth $100,000 today. (Laughter.) That does not mean young people should not be entrepreneurial. It just means that you can't foresee a generation ahead. I have mowed yards and cleared land and built houses and worked in body shops and the parts departments of a car dealership. And I've done a lot of different things for a living. Some people say I got into politics to escape work. (Laughter.) I learned something from every job I ever had. But I grew up in a generation where I literally did not know a living soul without regard to race or income who wanted to work who didn't have a job. I grew up in a generation when all you had to really say to people is, get an education and you'll be all right. You'll get a job and you'll make more money next year than you did this year. Now I live in a generation full of people, most of whom don't make any more money in real dollars than they did 10 years ago and they're working longer hours and they're paying more for the basics of life. And we are now wondering whether we can create the jobs that these young people want. Now, I want to close by reemphasizing these two things: It doesn't matter what kind of economic policies this administration pursues, or how much productivity increases there are in the private sector, if young Americans don't get a good education, don't learn how to work and can't be productive, those jobs will not be created in this country. Machines will do the work or the work will be done off-shore by people who have the same skill levels and can work for a third or a fourth or a fifth the wages. So nothing we can do economically will matter unless we build the skills and capacities of America's work force. And anybody that pretends otherwise is just kidding. On the other hand, we need to be honest. Every wealthy country in the world, including the United States, is having difficulty creating jobs. If I knew everything that needs to be done I'd be glad to tell you and we could just call off the whole deliberations of Congress and everything else. I don't have all the answers. But I know this: Doing nothing is not the answer. (Applause.) And so the jobs program that I have presented to Congress, with the summer jobs, with the money for the cities and the counties, through the Community Development Program, with the infrastructure money, is a small part of a big budget. It is an attempt to engage in an experiment to see whether or not, with the economy recovering in terms of corporate profit, we can give a little boost to it, give opportunities to young people, create a half a million jobs and maybe get the engine going again. Most of the jobs in this program are going to be jobs in the private sector, not government jobs, even though it's government money. And the lion's share of the work in rebuilding the American economy obviously will come from the private sector. That's the kind of system we have and it works pretty well. But this is the challenge we have. So I ask all of you here today to support the summer jobs program, to ask your friends and neighbors to support it, to go back home and ask your employers to make a little extra effort; to do what you can to help me pass the funds to create the 700,000 jobs that the United States government should create this summer, so that together we can have this partnership. Because more than anything else, we have to give a future -- a future that our young people can believe in. We need to send them a message that here in America if you study hard and work hard, if you obey the law and contribute something to your community, you will be rewarded by your country. You can build a future from you own dreams. That has always been the promise of America. Together that's what this summer of challenge needs to be: a reaffirmation of the promise of America for so many young people to whom that promise has been an illusion. We can make it a reality. Thank you very much. (Applause.) END11:45 A.M. EDT " 11247,7,From: hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon) Subject: 83 tercel sunroof leaks - arrggh Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-11.mit.edu IS there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery - do leaks tend to be from old gaskets ? or from inadequate mechanical seals - or all of the above ?? is there any way to halt the rain ? thanks hk -- Henry Bruno Kon office: 617-253-2781 (with machine) home: 617-625-3972 (with machine) 11248,12,"From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) Subject: What'S Exactly In A Flour Lines: 32 AllMartin MccormickWhat's Exactly in a Flour MM>From: martin@datacomm.ucc.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) MM>Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater, OK MM> What sort of lamp is the little glass bulb found inside the starter? MM>It sort of reminds me of a NE2 neon lamp. Starters appear open when m MM>with an Ohm meter so the little lamp is either a neon or has a capacit MM>in series with it. MM> MM> I have seen these things all my life, but never read a really good MM>description of what is happening inside that little can. Do you know what a bi-metallic strip is? Just in case: it is two strips of different metals bonded together, which when heated bend to one side (check out the blinker globe in your christmas tree lights). So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon, heating up and shorting out, thus providing a loop to power the heaters in the main tube. When the tube fires, insufficient current runs through the starter to keep the heat up and the bi-metalic strip straightens out (O/C). BTW, I too thought that they were nothing more than a small neon, so one day when the neon in my sisters digital (flip the metal squares type) clock broke (flimsy leads), I replaced it with one from a starter. Well powering up made a bit of a mess of the clock! Cheers Peter T. " 11249,14,"From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons! In-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 08:15:55 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr21.001555.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such.. Why not?? Because to be any use as a nav point you need to know -exactly- where it is, which means you either nail it to something that doesn't move or you watch it all the time. Neither of which is possible on a deactivated spacecraft. Then you have to know exactly how far away from it you are; this may or may not be possible with the hardware on board. Apart from which, there is absolutely no need for navigation beacons. -- Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John ""Iron Bar"" Mackin.) " 11250,17,"From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Desertification of the Negev Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500361:000:5123 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 25 05:25:00 1993 Lines: 104 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Desertification of the Negev The desertification of the arid Negev ------------------------------------- by Moise Saltiel, I&P March 1990 I. The Negev Bedouin Before and After 1948 II. Jewish Agricultural Settlement in the Negev III. Development of the Negev's Rural Population IV. Economic Situation of Jewish Settlements in 1990 V. Failure in Settling the Arava Valley VI. Failure in Settling the Central Mountains VII. Failure in Making the Negev ""Bedouinenrein"" (Cleansing the Negev of Bedouins) VIII. Transforming Bedouin into Low-Paid Workers IX.. Failure in Settling the ""Development Towns"" X. Jordan Water to the Negev: A Strategic Asset XI. The Negev Becomes a Dumping Ground XII. The Dimona Nuclear Plant XIII. The Negev as a Military Base XIV. The Negev in the Year 2000 Just after the creation of the State of Israel, the phrase ""the Jewish pioneers will make the desert bloom"" was trumpeted throughout the Western world. After the Six Day War in 1967, David Ben-Gurion declared in a letter to Charles de Gaulle: ""It's by our pioneering creation that we have transformed a poor and arid land into a fertile land, created built-up areas, towns and villages in abandoned desert areas"". Contrary to Ben-Gurion's assertion, it must be affirmed that during the 26 years of the British mandate over Palestine and for centuries previous, a productive human presence was to be found in all parts of the Negev desert - in the very arid hills and valleys of the southern Negev as well as in the more fertile north. These were the Bedouin Arabs. The real desertification of the Negev, mainly in the southern part, occurred after Israel's dispossession of the Bedouin's cultivated lands and pastures. Nowadays, the majority of the 12,800 square-kilometer Negev, which represents 62 percent of the State of Israel (pre-1967 borders), has been desertified beyond recognition. The main new occupiers of the formerly Bedouin Negev are the Israeli army; the Nature Reserves Authority, whose chief role is to prevent Bedouin from roaming their former pasture lands; and vast industrial zones, including nuclear reactors and dumping grounds for chemical, nuclear and other wastes. Israeli Jews in the Negev today cultivate less than half the surface area cultivated by the Bedouin before 1948, and there is no Jewish pastoral activity. I. Agricultural and pastoral activities of the Negev Bedouin before and after 1948 -------------------------------------------------- In 1942, according to British mandatory statistics, the Beersheba sub-district (which corresponds more or less to Israel's Negev, or Southern, district) had 52,000 inhabitants, almost all Bedouin Arabs, who held 11,500 camels, 6,000 cows and oxen, 42,000 sheep and 22,000 goats. The majority of the Bedouin lived a more or less sedentary life in the north, where precipitation ranged between 200 and 350 mm per year. In 1944 they cultivated about 200,000 hectares of the Beersheba district - i.e. 16 percent of its total area and *more than double the area cultivated by the Negev's Jewish settlers after 40 years of ""making the desert bloom""* The Bedouin had a very low crop yield - 350 to 400 kilograms of barley per hectare during rainy years - and their farming techniques were primitive, but production was based solely on animal and human labor. It must also be underscored that animal production, although low, was based entirely on pasturing. Production increased considerably during the rainy years and diminished significantly during drought years. All Bedouin pasture animals - goats, camels and sheep - had the ability to gain weight quickly over the relatively rainy winters and to withstand many waterless days during the hot summers. These animals were the result of a centuries-old process of natural selection in harsh local conditions. After the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev Bedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The 10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of 40,000 hectares in a region were annual mean precipiation was 150 mm - a quantity low enough to ensure a crop failure two years out of three. The rare water wells in the south and central Negev, spring of life in the desert, were cemented to prevent Bedouin shepherds from roaming. A few Bedouin shepherds were allowed to stay in the central Negev. But after 1982, when the Sinai was returned to Egypt, these Bedouin were also eliminated. At the same time, strong pressure was applied on the Bedouin to abandon cultivation of their fields in order that the land could be transferred to the army. No reliable statistics exist concerning the amount of land held today by Negev Bedouin. It is a known fact that a large part of the 40,000 hectares they cultivated in the 1950s has been seized by the Israeli authorities. Indeed, most of the Bedouin are now confined to seven ""development towns"", or *sowetos*, established for them. (the rest of the article is available from Elias Davidsson, email: elias@ismennt.is) " 11251,7,"From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 56 In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes: >In article , jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell) > writes... >#>Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need >#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not >#> meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, >#> please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks. ># > Exactly my point. There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers. > > If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a > group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook > was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little > girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving) > honked her horn at the car with the boys in it. This is really upsetting > and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's. Doesn't your heart > just go out to that poor mother? > Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and > crime. Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in > dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are. At the same It seems sad that people lose all perspective when they here about a case of violence by teenagers... For a little perspective: How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? Did you read about all the kids at Stanford who spent their spring breaks helping out in inner city areas? What about the hundreds of volunteers ( teenagers and others) who worked to clean up the mess after the Rodney King riots in LA? Have you gone to your local high school play recently? Attended the school orchestra performances? Have you seen how many kids volunteer to pick up trash, plant trees, do walk-a-thons? How many kids have tried to sell you stuff to benefit organizations they belong to? How many girl scout cookies have you bought? How many chocolate bars for good causes? The media picks up on all the anomalies, the sensational... What about the wonderful teenagers all over the place who work hard at school, get good grades, go to college (or to work) and make a real contribution to our society? All humans are teenagers at some time in their lives! Mother Theresa was a teenager and so was Geoffrey Dahmer. It is really sad to see so many people who buy the sensational reporting of the media as some kind of reflection of the world today! It is a reflection of what is happening on the outer fringes of our society and nothing more... rf " 11252,8,"From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) Subject: Good Reasons to Wave at each other X-AltNet-ID: 222834 Lines: 11 One of those ""morning, just getting the coffee in me"" thoughts: Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just ""Hey, how's it going, nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"" 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages. 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 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MWT='I:4+9L3$,8>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' -------- End of part 11 of 14 -------- " 11254,15,"From: sliew@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Selbyn Liew) Subject: Re: An agnostic's question Organization: Dept of E & E Eng, U of M Lines: 79 In article jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) writes: [..] >goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the >complication is that one of my best friends has become very >fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he Hello. Firstly, what do you exactly mean by ""fundamentalist""? I will for the time being assume that what you mean is that your friend believes that the bible is God's word to mankind? I suspect that what happened to him is what he'll call being ""born again""? Anyway, was that recent? If the answer is ""yes"" to all the questions above, it is quite understandable. However, IMO, I'ld rather give advice to your friend! I think I've been through something similar to him, and one thing I can say is that the basic problem is that each of you are now trying to communicate from different worldviews. Why he talks about those things is because they are now ""obvious"" to him. What is ""obvious"" to him is not obvious to you. Secondly, why he may be very persuasive is because from his point of view, he has been on ""both sides of the fence"". This I mean that before he turned ""fundamentalist"", you two are agreeable because both of you see things from the same side. If suddenly, as if a new world of reality has suddenly opened up to him, it is like the discovery of let's say a new continent, or a new planet. To him, he's got to tell you because he has seen something much more wonderful than where he was, and what he thinks is much better than where you are now. You have got to realise that from his point of view, he means well to you, eventhough he may end up offending you. To him, it is worth that risk. Nevertheless, it is really up to him to respect where you stand and listen to you as well. At this moment, it may be difficult because he is either very excited or feel it is too urgent to keep quiet about, however, he may not realise that he's really putting you off. [...] >the Bible that it is so.' So my question is, how can I convince him >that this is a subject better left undiscussed, so we can preserve >what is (in all areas other than religious beliefs) a great >friendship? How do I convince him that I am 'beyond saving' so he >won't try? Thanks for any advice. So far, I've only been trying to explain things from his side. However, I do understand how you feel too, because I wasn't a Christian for a good part of my life as well. I was quite turned off by Christians or ""fundamentalists"" who were really all out and enthusiastic about their faith. They really scared me, to tell you the truth. Unfortunately, ""religious belief"" is a very personal thing, just as your agnosticism is also a very personal thing to you. Since the Christian belief is inevitably at odds with anything non-Christian (religious or otherwise), it will be a touchy matter. Like all friendships, it will take both sides to do their part to make it work. In this matter, maybe you can do your part by telling him nicely that you are not able to dig what he's trying to convince you about, that it's beyond you or not your concern ""for now"". Don't tell him it's nonsense, because to him it is reality - and that would be a real insult. He'll also have to be careful not to insult where you stand too. Like I said before, I wish I could give your friend some advice too. I'll admit that I did similarly to some of my friends when I became a Christian. In some ways, I wish I could have done things a little differently. However, it was difficult then because I was so excited and just blabbered away about what I've found! To me, it was too good not to know. To some, I was crazy, and I didn't really care most of the time what they thought. You will probably think he's crazy too - but God is very real to him, as real as you are to him. Keep that in mind. And he thinks he can convince you because since God is so real to him, he doesn't see why God can't be real to you too. I don't know how helpful this is to you. But all the best anyhow - this is quite a challenge for you to face. By the way, personal conviction: nobody is ""beyond saving"" except the one we call the devil and his hosts. Regards, Selbyn Liew ========================================================================== Dept. of EE Engineering, University of Melbourne, Victoria 3052, Australia EMAIL: sliew@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au PH: +61-3-3447976 FAX: +61-3-3446678 ========================================================================== " 11255,6,"From: alai@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Anthony Lai) Subject: <<<< SALE: 3 Software Packages ... pcANYWHERE, antivirus, deltagraph >>> Nntp-Posting-Host: balboa.eng.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 28 Hello, I have three software packages for sale: 1. The Norton pcANYWHERE version 4.5 for dos. This software include host and remote software. It can control both dos and windows 3.1 (both standard and enhanced modes) activities. Registration card is enclosed. Price: $40.00 2. The Norton AntiVirus for windows and dos version 2.1. It can update virus information any time. It also support networks. Registration card is enclosed. Price: $40.00 3. 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Hill <32GFKKH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Lines: 24 Well put, Jason. I am not from Wisconsin, but I have close relatives who live in Port Washington (about 30 minutes north of Milwaukee), I visit the city regularly, and I have been in the Bradley four times to see the Admirals play and the NCAA Hockey Championships. It is a beautiful building. The Pettits and the city like to promote it as the best facility for hockey in North America. As to what will happen with the Admirals if Milwaukee does acquire a franchise, word is the team will move to Green Bay and play in the Brown County Arena. Once again, the Admirals are an independent franchise, and the people of Milwaukee have been supporting them well. The games I have been to have seen crowds anywhere from 10,000 to 13,000, which are numbers some NHL teams (i.e. the Islanders, Hartford, New Jersey) would be envious of having on some nights. Plus the fact that the city is able to support a minor league franchise without the glamour of having an NHL club affiliated to it is testimony to the amount of hockey interest exists in the city. Sincerely, Martin Hill, Rt. 2, Box 155B, Sault Ste. Marie, MI (Home of LSSU: Go Lakers!) P.S. Anybody know what the attendance figures are for the IHL and how Milwaukee stacks up against other IHL cities such as Atlanta, Phoenix, San Diego, Cleveland, and Cincinnati? If so, please reply. " 11258,12,"From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) Subject: Re: Trace size for a 15 Amp supply Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 34 acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu (Andy Collins) writes: >How thick do I need to make a PCB trace for 15 Amps of current? and >Does anybody have any other thoughts on the process (what kind of PCB >to use, materials, thickness of copper, any advice graciously accepted)? In four replies, I've seen no hard numbers, so here goes: For traces on the outside (not inner layers), expect, in 1 oz copper, at 15 amps, the following temperature rises versus width. This is from Sams' ""Reference Data for Engineers,"" seventh edition, Pg 5-30, which claims in turn to be from MIL-STD-275C... width Temp rise inches degrees C ------ --------- .125 100 .15 75 .17 60 .20 45 .24 30 .33 20 At 10 amps, the rise for the .125 width is only about 30 degrees. Power goes as square of the current, plus the copper resistance goes up as temperature goes up... Certainly .20"" (~5mm) traces should be ample for what you want to do. And 2 ounce copper almost cuts the required width in half. (I'd do 2 oz at about 0.08"" width myself, I think...given that the _rated_ current is 10 amps and the 15 is a transient or fault condition.) (There's another question: will the voltage drop be low enough? But you should be able to figure this one out with wire tables or just the resistivity of copper. Keep traces short and use separate sensing traces where appropriate, as mentioned by another poster.) " 11259,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 80 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes: |> In article , shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) writes: |> |> That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is |> not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla |> tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with |> the local populace. Not because they are evil cowards that |> use women and children as shields, but because that is the only |> way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army. While that is currently true from their perspective, it is also worthwhile to note that in such cases the populace often does suffer from attempts to control the guerillas. Furthermore, there were cases in the past of Palestinian gun emplacements being situated within villages. The argument that can be made for small arms fire can not be made for field pieces. |> Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias. Though |> Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance |> operation and better motivated by religious conviction. As I recall, Amal was primarily nationalistically ""Lebanon for the Lebanese"" motivated. I think that the difference between them was also a matter of funding and support. One question does come to mind however, Given that you claim the Hizbollah to be more committed etc... and that their stated position is: 1. No peace talks. 2. No peace talks. . . . . N-1. No peace talks. N. No Israel if we assume that Lebanon and Syria are sincere in their desire for peace, why hasn't the Hizbollah been disarmed? |> I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still |> contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's |> security, since it would reduce its military losses, and I claim |> that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any |> further attacks on Northern Israel. Bearing in mind the above and that military losses are more palatable than civilian ones, I am sure you can understand why Israel is slow to act in that manner. |> |> No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another |> |> Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. |> |> Hmm... Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better. |> I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself. It would |> be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for |> Israeli withdrawal. I don't think Syria wants Israel to be |> involved in its protectorate of Lebanon. Syria is sitting at the |> negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants |> to get a political resolution. A renewal of hostilities |> along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations |> back in question. I agree that Syria wants Lebanon to be part of its greater Syria. I don't necessarily see that the Syrians would be unhappy to see Israel up to its neck in another Lebanese morass afterwhich Syria could continue on its merry schedule when Israeli public opinion would lead to a second pullout. |> I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable. <*sigh*> Why can't some gov'ts negotiate as easily as some people? -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 11260,19,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 17 Apr 93 God's Promise in Luke 11:28 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:28 " 11261,17,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Symbiotics: Idiots-Antisemitism Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Lines: 27 In article <1483500355@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >From: Center for Policy Research > >Zionism and the Holocaust >-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth > >The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history >of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without >anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet >of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews. Wrong. Zionism *acknowledges* the fact that anti-Semites exist, and prevent Jews from living in peace. That does not mean we agree that Jews are all greedy, that Jews kill Christian Children, commited deicide, or anything else. We acknowledge that there are morons out there who do believe these things. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow " 11262,15,"From: rjb@akgua.att.com Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AT&T Lines: 69 In article , rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) writes: > In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says: > > >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged > >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have > >publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and > >are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective > >qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. > > I have discussed this with my girlfriend often. I consider myself married, > though legally I am not. Neither of us have been with other people sexually, > although we have been with each other. We did not have sexual relations > until we decided to marry eventually. For financial and distance reasons, > we will not be legally married for another year and a half. Until then, > I consider myself married for life in God's eyes. I have faith that we > have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be > full of joy when we marry in a church. First, however, we must find a > church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to > find a new church community). > > Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are > married and are bound by that commitment. > > -- > -Rick Szanto Rick has nailed the problem down pretty well. As I can find no Scripture (have I missed it ?) that details when you are married, I have to make some assumptions based on the PRINCIPLES of Scripture. It seems to me that it takes 3 parties to make a marriage: husband-to-be, wife-to-be, and God. If you promise before each other and God that you will convenant together to be married, then...you are (IMO). So why do we have the ceremonial part ? That seems to be there for ""connectedness"" in the Body of Christ. My brothers and sisters ought to be involved so that there can be some accountability on both our parts. That's part of the concept from Hebrews about ""not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together as is the custom of some."" We need each other because Lone Ranger Christians and Lone Ranger Marriages smack of a self sufficiency that the I don't see in the NT. Does anyone see the Paul Simon ""I am a rock, I am an island..."" model anywhere in Christianity. (Song lyrics show your age :-) ) ? Further, since marriage is a legal matter/institution in the USA and many other places, and such laws do not specifically go crosswise to the clear teachings of Scripture, we ought to obey them to avoid even the appearance of ""evil"" (I Thess 5:22) So this would imply at least a civil ceremony before marriage, but keep in mind we are at least doing all of this for the conscience of others because back to the beginning...you are married when you and your intended promise each other and God to be in convenant. (IMO) What ch'all think ? Bobby - akgua!rjb [In some states, the kind of commitment described in Richard Szanto's posting can create a common law marriage. Indeed his posting itself might go a long way towards establishing that a marriage exists, should the issue ever end up in court. He might want to consult a lawyer who is familiar with common law marriage in his state. --clh] " 11263,10,"From: adavis@mcl.bdm.com (Arthur Davis) Subject: Re: Ron Francis Organization: BDM International, Inc. Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.mcl.bdm.com In article <1993Apr19.171223.11311@Virginia.EDU> mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (""Matthew J. Rush"") writes: > I forgot to ask: Is this the highest points total Francis has >had in a season? Has he ever had a 100 point season before, >either with the Pens or the Whalers? > Francis got 101 in 89-90, his last full season with Hartford. In agreement with your previous post, I think Francis is a tremendous and generally underrated complete player. I would LOVE to have him here in a Capitals uniform where he would certainly be the #1 center (even though Pivonka is also a very good complete player who is generally underrated). Francis impresses me in many ways as an ""ethical Dale Hunter"". Tons of heart and can-do attitude with a lot of different skills, but none of the cheap shots and few penalty minutes. Not to mention nearly always coming through when it's important. 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H ! .1Y""QG%.9*0Y /@ , 3T5- M4T5455 N24Y&.T"" ""$+FC9@R(*""\F4-GRA@Y:>#0 4$$HITR>*$BI0G3%P4P5(DY\XF;\BD,9.F#!D04$'0*<,0A(LK M4(B@3>-QH L03,K8R>,UIU\%6UJZ(*,WS9@R77+:T %ERA I2:!0<4%$BA46 MB]GHD3/3!HRW<5F((#(T#!PY8>N,H3,'KQ8I(#K# &&'Q@T7,$1H'%W$2I(A M1:9 *3(DB9'?(OX""4$L! @H ""@ 8 \DH+&6P>WN!P!0 :Q0 L M @ \#$ $Q:4C$R-C N5U!$4$L! @H ""@ 8 0!EJ&$ER## M MMP$ $,8$ L @ B3< %!30U))4%0N1%)64$L! @H ""@ M $ Y'D+&<4YDI#D ^ P 0 @ W^X! $]%35-%5%50 :+DE.1E!+!08 P # *P #M[P$ end ---------- cut here ---------- -- _--_|\ Clive Mitchell ph: +61 9 4916384 / \ Regional Network Systems mitchell@telecomwa.oz.au >> *_.--._/ Perth , Western Australia v " 11265,19,"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 17 Ken Arromdee writes >>Did they not know that these men were federal officers? >Do you know what a ""no-knock search"" is? Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If the BDs didn't know immediately that they were dealing with feds (uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready for having been attacked ""without warning"". -- Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho " 11266,18,"From: nils@monroe.dartmouth.edu (Nils Nieuwejaar) Subject: Re: We're winning the war on drugs. Not! Keywords: drugs DEA WOD legalization Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 42 kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: >The chart that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 >issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eigth-graders"" by Mike >Snider, p. 6D). > Adolescents' choices > Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month: > Estimated, per 100 students > 1991 1992 Pct. chg. > Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4% > Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8% > Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% > Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27% > LSD 0.6 0.9 +50% > Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40% > Crack 0.3 0.5 +67% > Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, > 1993 report >We are not winning the ""war on drugs"". I think you can see that one >of the tactics that the DEA employs to give people the impression that >the ""war on drugs"" is being won is to selectively quote statistics--- >only statistics that support their contention that drug use has gone >down. The excerpt from Time magazine that I included in this post is >an excellent example of how organizations like the DEA attempt to >deceive the public. Unfortunately, there's not much we can learn from the statistics presented here either. Due to rounding, the 1991 est. for LSD could be anywhere from .550 to .649 and the 1992 est. could be anywhere from .850 to .949. This means that the actual change (if you believe these statistics in the first place) was anywhere from 31% to 73%. Similarly the increase in cocaine use could be anywhere from 18% to 66% and the increase of crack use could be anywhere from 29% to 120%. This doesn't even take into account the margin of error which isn't provided here. This does not mean that the rest of the argument you present is unfounded, but it does mean that USA Today has (not surprisingly) provided us with virtually no information. " 11267,14,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 15 In article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> goltz@mimi.UU.NET (James P. Goltz) writes: > Would this work? I can't see the EM radiation impelling very much >momentum (especially given the mass of the pusher plate), and it seems >to me you're going to get more momentum transfer throwing the bombs >out the back of the ship than you get from detonating them once >they're there. The Orion concept as actually proposed (as opposed to the way it has been somewhat misrepresented in some fiction) included wrapping a thick layer of reaction mass -- probably plastic of some sort -- around each bomb. The bomb vaporizes the reaction mass, and it's that which transfers momentum to the pusher plate. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry " 11268,4,"From: Mel_Shear@maccomw.uucp Subject: Adapter Cable for VGA Monitors Lines: 51 Does anyone know who makes a cable or adapter that is wired according to Apple's specs that forces the external output on LC's and the Powerbook's 160/180 and Duo 230 into a true VGA style output signal? The NEC Adapter does not do this since their monitors are multisync they just route the signal into the correct pinout but do not switch the Macs output into VGA mode. Do I have to make one of these or does someone already have one made-up?? The following is the Apple spec for the LC cpu VGA Cable adapter. I'm assuming that the Powerbooks/Duos will work with the same adapter(?); Macintosh LC to VGA The Macintosh LC can supply a 640 x 480, VGA timed signal for use with VGA monitors by using an adapter cable. The standard Macintosh LC supports VGA to 16 colors, and with the optional 512K VRAM SIMM, the VGA monitor is supported to 256 colors. Note: The Macintosh LC supplies signals capable of driving TTL level inputs. However, some low impedance input VGA monitors do not work with the Macintosh LC. To connect a Macintosh LC to a VGA monitor, you need to make an adapter cable from the Macintosh LC video connector to the VGA monitor. Following is the pinout description for the adapter cable: Macintosh LC VGA Video Connector Pin Signal Name --------------- ---- ----------- 1 6 Red ground 2 1 Red video signal 5 2 Green video signal 6 7 Green ground 9 3 Blue video signal 13 8 Blue ground 15 13 /HSYNC 12 14 /VSYNC 14 10 HSYNC ground 7,10 nc SENSE1 & SENSE2 tied together VGA monitors are identified by shorting pin 7 to pin 10 on the Macintosh LC video connector. The Macintosh LC grounds pin 7 on its video connector, which results in pulling down pin 10 and gives the correct monitor ID for a VGA monitor. *************************************************************************** This message was created on MCW BBS a jointly supported by New Orleans Mac User Group & National Home & School User Group user@maccomw.uucp The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. *************************************************************************** " 11269,1,"From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu Organization: University of Kentucky Lines: 6 re: majority of users not readding from floppy. Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current didrectory? " 11270,11,"From: ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: C-Set/2 Development, IBM Canada Lab. Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM Lines: 33 I suspect that this clipper thing could backfire on the Gov in a big hurry. I expect that products using these chips will socket them rather than soldering them, since once the keys are handed over by the escrow agencies, the chip is so much garbage, and will need to be replaced. I expect that someone will come along with a pin compatible chip that uses secure encryption -- possibly even disguised so that it's not possible to tell it from the clipper chip until you try to use the 2 backdoor keys. If I were to manufacture such a chip, as part of my marketing strategy, I would try to subvert one or both escrow agencies either through bribes or industrial espionage -- and then publicize the fact. (doing my best not to be connected with such activities -- which would likely not be legal :-) Publicly discrediting the escrow agencies would go quite far towards creating a market for a secure alternative. I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip, and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. Any back- doors or weaknesses would further discredit the scheme, and help grow the market demand for a secure alternative. I believe that the company that provides such an alternative will make few friends in the LE community, but lots of money. I also believe that the government will do it's best to make such plug replacements illegal. I expect that they will see the same success in limiting the availability of such alternatives as they have seen in limiting the availability of certain illicit drugs -- ie. little to none. Regards, Ian Ameline. (Of course the ramblings above have nothing to do with my employer, nor do I necessarily advocate doing any of the things described here -- I just believe that the events above are likely to take place) " 11271,14,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Space Station Redesign (30826) Option C Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.214653.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr25.151108.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > I like option C of the new space station design.. > It needs some work, but it is simple and elegant.. > > Its about time someone got into simple construction versus overly complex... > > Basically just strap some rockets and a nose cone on the habitat and go for > it.. > > Might be an idea for a Moon/Mars base to.. > > Where is Captain Eugenia(sp) when you need it (reference to russian heavy > lifter, I think). > == > Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked > > > > This is a report, I got the subject messed up.. " 11272,8,"From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) Subject: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!! Summary: SHIT!!!!!!! Keywords: Running from the Police. Article-I.D.: news.C5J34y.2t4 Distribution: rec.motorcycles Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 44 Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY? I guy on a 600 Katana got pulled over by the Police (I guess for speeding or something). But just as the cop was about to step out of the car, the dude punches it down an interstate in Georgia. Ang then, the cop gives chase. Now this was an interesting episode because it was all videotaped!!! Everything from the dramatic takeoff and 135mph chase to the sidestreet battle at about 100mph. What happened at the end? The guy (who is being relentless chased down box the cage with the disco lights) slows a couple of times to taunt the cop. After blowing a few stop signs and making car jump to the side, he goes up a dead end street. The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance machine and he slams on the brakes. Of couse, we all know that cages, especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our high performance machines. So what happens?... The cage plows into the Kat. Luckily for this dude, he was wearing a helmet and was not hurt. But dude, how crazy can you get!?! Yeah, we've all went out and played cat and mouse with our friends but, with a cop!!???!!! How crazy can you get!?!?! It took just one look at a ZX-7 who tried this crap to convince me not to try any shit like that. (Although the dude collided with a car head on at 140 mph, the Kawasaki team colors still looked good!!! Just a few scratches, like no front end.... 3 inch long engine and other ""minor"" scratches...) If you guys are out there, please, slow it down. I not being an advocate for the cages (especially the ones that make that annoying ass noises...), but just think... The next time you punched it (whether you have an all mighty ZX-11 or a ""I can do it"" 250 Ninja), just remember, a kid could step out at any time. Peace & ride (kinda) safe. Warren -- ""Have Suzuki, Will travel..."" WCD82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""What's the big deal about riding one of these. I'm only going... 95!?!?!"" - Annie (Robotech) " 11273,4,"From: hsieh@ipld04.hac.com (Julia Hsieh) Subject: How to reach Micron Distribution: na Lines: 15 Does anyone know how to reach Micron? I am interested in getting some specifics about what types of monitors work with their Micron Xceed card for the se/30. either e-mail or phone number would be prefered. Or if you have the answers to my questions, i'd appreciate a reply. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- julia hsieh My opinions are not intended to reflect hsieh@ipld01.hac.com those of Hughes Aircraft Company. ---------------------------------------------------------------- " 11274,5,"From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) Subject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ Reply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det. Lines: 72 comp.windows.x In article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes: Please igore my previouse calculation mistaked. Please see the correct calculation. Sorry! |> I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function |> drawed a line as below fingure: |> |> width = 300 |> ================================ |> | | |> | | |> | p1 | |> | \ | |> | \ | height = 300 |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \|p3 |> | | |> |===============================| \ |> \ |> p2 |> |> I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. |> But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). |> My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct |> p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. |> x3 = 300; @ = art tan (500 - 270)/(800 - 100)) = 18.19 degrees; y3 = 100 + (300 - 270)/tan(@) = 191.29 ~= 191 integer |> |> How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not? |> Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't |> wan to. |> |> Thanks in advance! |> -- |> Raymond H. Chui |> NSWC N62 |> 10901 New Hampshire Ave. |> Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000 |> U.S.A. |> Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45 |> FAX:1(301)394-4483 |> EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil |> _ __ _ , __ |> ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) / |> /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o |> / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_ |> / |> ' -- Raymond H. Chui NSWC N62 10901 New Hampshire Ave. Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000 U.S.A. Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45 FAX:1(301)394-4483 EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil _ __ _ , __ ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) / /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_ / ' " 11275,12,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: minimal boolean circuit Article-I.D.: shelley.1r2717INNdjh Distribution: usa Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr9.041505.8593@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> djimenez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Daniel Jimenez) writes: >Suppose we have a boolean function which is a minimal sum-of-products >(derived from a K-map or something), like this: >f(a,b,c,d) = bc'd' + acd' + abc' + ab'c > >The books on logic design I have consulted all seem to imply that this >is where the analysis ends ... But by factoring out the >`a' term in the function, we can get fewer gates: >f(a,b,c,d) = bc'd' + a(cd' + bc' + b'c), >which yields 9 gates. Yes, but... the minimization of gates is important in part because of TIMING considerations. A TTL gate has the basic structure of AND/OR/INVERT, and an inversion of a sum of a product is just exactly ONE gate delay. The reason to find a minimal sum of products is that this matches a hardware optimization. A positive-OR gate (such as the 9-gate solution uses) has TWO gate delays (and there's another gate delay in the second term) so that the second solution, while simpler in logic symbols, can be expected to be something less than optimal in the real world. ECL is similar to TTL, in that it can support an OR/AND gate with the minimum delay (unlike TTL, you get both true and inverse outputs for 'free' when using ECL). PALs are basically large programmable AND/OR/INVERT gates (with your choice of internal connections between the various sections, and perhaps some latches), so a minimum sum of products ALSO is a way to shoehorn a logic design into a few PALs. It's not comparably easy to design with a minimization of logic gates, but some software packages claim to allow you to do so, and will take just about any mess of gates (as a nodelist with 74xxx series logic ICs) and produce a description of a logic cell array to do the same job. Xilinx's XACT software does this by treating each logic block as a macro, and expanding it all out, then simplifying. John Whitmore " 11276,14,"From: Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: none Lines: 51 In-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au's message of 20 Apr 93 22:36:55 GMT In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >Now, Space Marketing >is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >orbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. How could this possibly be ""environmental vandalism"" when there is no ""environment"" to vandalize up there? Since the advertising ""is just to help defray costs"", it's certainly no surprise that ""the taxpayers would bear most of the expense"". Sounds like a good idea to me, since the taxpayers would bear _all_ of the expense if they didn't do the advertising. >What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >the night sky? Great idea, they should have done it long ago. >What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that >it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). I can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant effect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day, but nobody complains about that. Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only be visible during twilight when the sky is already bright, and even if it would have some miniscule impact, it would be only for a short time as it goes zipping across the sky. >Are protesting groups being organized in the States? No doubt. People are always looking for something to protest about, so it would be no surprise. >Really, really depressed. Well, look on the, er, bright side. Imagine the looks on the faces of people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D -- Jeff Cook Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com " 11277,5,"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 27 In article , whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: > One advanage of MIT-SHM is that if your images are large, you don't end up > growing the size of the server process to hold them. > Correct. Most X servers use a version of malloc(3) which will not return memory to the OS (ie. the X server might free(3) a Pixmap, but the heap does not shrink). > One disadvantage of the MIT-SHM is that, in its sample implementation, > there is no provision for elegantly cleaning up the shared memory segments > if the client dies a sudden, violent death (e.g., ""kill""). You have to > be mindful of cluttering up the system with zombie shared memory segments. > Well, part of the routines I mentioned do a dirty little trick to get around that problem. First, I create the shared memory segment, attach the client, attach the X server, and then remove (!) the segment. If you read the man pages on removing of shared memory segments, you will see that the segment only dies after all attachments are gone. Now, if the client dies, that's one attachment gone (the OS cleans up for you) and since the X server notices the client has dies, frees up it's resources, including detaching from the segment: there goes the last attachment. No more shared memory segment. Terrible, but it works. Regards, Richard Gooch.... " 11278,1,"Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center From: Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Distribution: world Lines: 21 > From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) > Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, > cnter and radius, exactly fitting those points? The equation of the sphere through the 4 points (x1,y1,z1),...,(x4,y4,z4) is | x^2+y^2+z^2 x1^2+y1^2+z1^2 ... x4^2+y4^2+z4^2 | | x x1 ... x4 | | y y1 ... y4 | = 0 | z z1 ... z4 | | 1 1 ... 1 | When this 5 by 5 determininant is expanded on its first column you get the equation in the form A(x^2+y^2+z^2) + Bx + Cy + Dz + E = 0 If you need the center and radius, jyst divide through by A (it cannot be zero if the 4 given points form a non-degenerate tetrahedron) and complete the square on x, y, and z to obtain (x-xc)^2 + (y-yc)^2 + (z-zc)^2 = r^2 rcb@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Bob Beach) " 11279,1,"From: g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) Subject: Need polygon splitting algo... Organization: University of Wollongong, NSW, Australia. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au Keywords: polygons, splitting, clipping The idea is to clip one polygon using another polygon (not necessarily rectangular) as a window. My problem then is in finding out all the new vertices of the resulting ""subpolygons"" from the first one. Is this simply a matter of extending the usual algorithm whereby each of the edges of one polygon is checked against another polygon??? Is there a simpler way?? Comments welcome. Noel. " 11280,1,"From: ezzie@lucs2.lancs.ac.uk (One of those daze...) Subject: Borland turbo C libraries for S3 graphics card Organization: Lancaster University Computer Society Lines: 5 I've recently got hold of a PC with an S3 card in it, and I'd like to do some C programming with it, are there any libraries out there that will let me access the high resolution modes available via Borland Turbo C? Andy " 11281,17,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The Armenians were fascist: Historical Armenian Fascism. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 47 The Armenians were deeply anti-semitic as well. In the May 10, 1936 edition of 'Hairenik Weekly' the vice-mayor of Bucharest, Rumania is quoted as saying: ""The Armenians helped us not to become the slaves of the Jewish elements in our country."" In another edition, an author named Captain George Haig writes: ""And the type of Jew who is imported to Palestine...is not anything to be proud about. Their loose morals, and other vices were unknown to the Arabs prior to Balfour Declaration, on top of all communist activities were the cause of most of the Arab criticism.""[1] As Uzun exposed, the Armenians were fascist. Before Pearl Harbor, the Dashnak daily 'Hairenik' (not to be confused with the Tzeghagrons 'Hairenik Weekly') expressed pro-Nazi sentiments: ""And came Adolf Hitler, after herculean struggles. He spoke to the racial heart strings of the German, opened the fountain of his national genius, strock down the spirit of defeatism...At no period since the World War had Berlin conducted so realistic, well organized, and planned policy as now, since Hitler's assumption to power...And whatever others may think concerning Hitlerism and Fascism as a system of Government, it is proved that they have revitalized and regenerated the two states, Germany and Italy.""[2] [1] Captain George Haig, 'The Case of Palestine,' in Hairenik Weekly, Friday, September 25, 1936. [2] 'Hairenik,' official organ of the Dashnaktsuitune, Sept. 17, 1936; quoted in John Roy Carlson, 'The Armenian Displaced Persons' (see endnote 1), p. 21. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) " 11282,14,"From: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM (Alan Monday-WWCS Business Mgt. Group) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: packmind.ebay.sun.com Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be for Columbus+500? In article 29848@news.duc.auburn.edu, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: > >I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar > Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject > back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information. > >Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? " 11283,4,"From: mpretzel@cs.utexas.edu (Benjamin W. Allums) Subject: Re: Mac II SCSI & PMMU socket question Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tokio.cs.utexas.edu In article <1qkmb2$n0d@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> khc@marantz.Corp.Sun.COM writes: >1. The Mac II is supposed to have a socket for the MC68851 PMMU chip. Could >anyone let me know where that socket is on the motherboard. I have obtained >a PMMU chip (16 Mhz) from a surplus store, and would like to install it onto >my Mac II (circa 1987). But I cannot see the socket myself when I tried to >install it. The original Mac II had an Apple MMU chip installed which performs a subset of the 68851's functions. If you look underneath your front left floppy bay you will find three chips, all approximately the same size. One will be the 68020, the next the 68881, and the third, approximately the same size, will be the Apple chip. It is easy to spot because it has a 'hump' in the middle of it. Example: ----------- / \ --------------- --------------- | | | | That and the Apple logo should make it easy to find. Ben mpretzel@cs.utexas.edu " 11284,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Migraines and scans Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 37 DN> From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) DN> A neurology DN> consultation is cheaper than a scan. And also better, because a neurologist can make a differential diagnosis between migraine, tension-type headache, cluster, benign intracranial hypertension, chronic paroxysmal hemicrania, and other headache syndromes that all appear normal on a scan. A neurologist can also recommend a course of treatment that is appropriate to the diagnosis. DN> >>Also, since many people are convinced they have brain tumors or other DN> >>serious pathology, it may be cheaper to just get a CT scan then have DN> >>them come into the ER every few weeks. DN> And easier than taking the time to reassure the patient, right? DN> Personally, I don't think this can ever be justified. Sigh. It may never be justifiable, but I sometimes do it. Even after I try to show thoroughness with a detailed history, neurologic examination, and discussion with the patient about my diagnosis, salted with lots of reassurance, patients still ask ""why can't you order a scan, so we can be absolutely sure?"" Aunt Millie often gets into the conversation, as in ""they ignored Aunt Millie's headaches for years"", and then she died of a brain tumor, aneurysm, or whatever. If you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with an obviously benign headache syndrome, I'd like to hear what your magic is. Every once in a while I am able to bypass imaging by getting an EEG. Mind you, I don't think EEG is terribly sensitive for brain tumor, but the patient feels like ""something is being done"" (as if the hours I spent talking with and examining the patient were ""nothing""), the EEG has no ionizing radiation, it's *much* cheaper than CT or MRI, and the EEG brings in some money to my department. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 11285,3,"From: u96_bbayraml@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: FOR SALE!! DECpc325sxLP Lines: 26 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology FOR SALE !!! DECpc 325sxLP It's in very good condition, used for one year. It has - 25 Mhz Intel 386 - 52 MB Hard Disk - Super Color VGA Monitor - 2-button mouse - 1.44 MG floppy disk drive Software: ------------ - Microsoft Dos 5.0 - Microsoft Windows 3.1 - Microsoft Works for Windows 2.0 - Borland Turbo Pascal 6.0 - Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 for Dos I'm asking $1499 for the system. Send me E-mail if interested. " 11286,3,"From: estel@cs.vu.nl (Stel E) Subject: W32/TSENG card & other VLB cards... (please) Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 30 Hai, In a few days I'm going to buy a new motherboard with local-bus(ses). It comes with a Cirrus Logic VLB card which has 2Mb RAM onboard. It can do true-color but I don't know what type of card it is. I read that Cirrus Logic cards aren't exactly the fastes around. My old system had a TSENG 4000. I was pretty pleased with it, so I consider buying a W32/TSENG card. I'd like to know a few things: - How is the speed/performance in DOS/Windows/Unix/OS/2 Graphics & Text (also compared to S3 cards for example) - What resolutions (including no. of colors) does it support (text & graphics) - How many RAM can be installed and what type of RAM - Compatibility with old TSENG 4000 - Support in software If anyone has any experience with this card (good or bad) I'd like to know. If you have a better alternative than the W32 please tell me about it. For the people in Holland: Kan iemand me misschien vertellen waar de W32 in Nederland te verkrijg is? Het liefst in de omgeving van Amsterdam! Thanks in advance, Erik Stel (estel@cs.vu.nl) " 11287,13,"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 67 KS> From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) KS>My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio Syndrome KS>This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different symptons ( eg KS>chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have any information I'm not sure that this condition is ""recognised"" anywhere (in the sense of a disease with diagnostic criteria, clear boundaries between it and other diseases, unique pathologic or physiologic features, etc), but here goes with what many neurologists agree on. Post-polio syndrome patients have evidence of motor neuron disease by clinical examination, EMG, and muscle biopsy. The abnormalities are mostly chronic (due to old polio) but there is evidence of ongoing deterioration. Clinically, the patients complain of declining strength and endurance with everyday motor tasks. Musculoskeletal pain is a nearly universal feature that doubtless contributes to the impaired performance. The examination shows muscle weakness and atrophy. The EMG shows evidence of old denervation with reinnervation (giant and long-duration motor unit action potentials) *and* evidence of active denervation (fibrillation potentials). The biopsy also shows old denervation with reinnervation (fiber-type grouping) *and* evidence of active denervation (small, angulated fibers with dense oxidative enzyme staining) - but curiously, little or no group atrophy. Post-polio patients do not have ALS. In ALS, there is clinically evident deterioration from one month to the next. In post-polio, the patients are remarkably stable in objective findings from one year to the next. Of course, there are patients who had polio before who develop genuine ALS, but ALS is no more common among polio survivors than among people who never had polio. The cause of post-polio syndrome is unknown. There is little evidence that post-polio patients have active polio virus or destructive immunologic response to virus antigen. There is no solid evidence that patients with post-polio have anything different happening to the motor unit (anterior horn cells, motor axons, neuromuscular junctions, and muscle fibers) than patients with old polio who are not complaining of deterioration. Both groups can have the same EMG and biopsy findings. The reason for these ""acute"" changes in a ""chronic"" disease (old polio) is unknown. Possibly spinal motor neurons (that have reinnervated huge numbers of muscle fibers) start shedding the load after several years. There are a couple of clinical features that distinguish post-polio syndrome patients from patients with old polio who deny deterioration. The PPS patients are more likely to have had severe polio. The PPS patients are *much* more likely to complain of pain. They also tend to score higher on depression scales of neuropsychologic tests. My take on this (I'm sure some will disagree): after recovery from severe polio there can be abnormal loading on muscles, tendons, ligaments, bones, and joints, that leads to inflammatory and/or degenerative conditions affecting these structures. The increasing pain, superimposed on the chronic (but unchanging) weakness, leads to progressive impairment of motor performance and ADL. I am perhaps biased by personal experience of having never seen a PPS patient who was not limited in some way by pain. I do not believe that PPS patients have more rapid deterioration of motor units than non-PPS patients (i.e., those with old polio of similar severity but without PPS complaints). --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) " 11288,8,"From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 24 In article <1qf5g8$32l@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >Dan J. Declerck (declrckd@rtsg.mot.com) wrote: >: In states with No-fault auto-insurance, this applies. You basically insure your >: own vehicle, and the max you can sue for is about $400 (In MI, anyway). >: The point to be made with no-fault, is the fact that it removes the lawyers from the >: system, and lets people get their money faster. The removal of lawyers, reduces the >: clogs on court system, and thus, reduces government burdens, by not requiring so >: many judges. > >: does it work?? I don't know, ask the people of Michigan.... > >No, ask the people of New Jersey where the ""no-fault"" hoax has been >going on for years. Last I heard every state that ever got no-fault >insurance saw an increase in rates. I know that's what happened in >NJ because I lived there when it changed. Just one more reason I will >never go back to that state. >-- >******************************************************************************* >* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * >* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * >******************************************************************************* In Colorado my agent tells me that no fault only applies to the medical coverage. " 11289,8,"From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) Subject: ST1100 ride Keywords: heavy Lines: 95 Sixteen days I had put off test driving the Honda ST1100. Finally, the 17th was a Saturday without much rain. In fact it cleared up, became warm and sunny, and the wind died. About three weeks ago, I took a long cool ride on the Hawk down to Cycles! 128 for a test ride. They had sold, and delivered, the demo ST1100 about fifteen hours before I arrived. And the demo VFR was bike-locked in the showroom -- surrounded by 150 other bikes, and not likely to move soon. Today was different. There were even more bikes. 50 used dirt bikes, 50 used street bikes, 35 cars, and a big tent full of Outlandishly Fat Touring Bikes With Trailers were all squeezed in the parking lot. Some sort of fat bike convention. Shelly and Dave were running one MSF course each, at the same time. One in the classroom and one on the back lot. Plus, there was the usuall free cookout food that Cycles! gives away every weekend in the summer. Hmmm, it seemed like a big moto party. After about ten minutes of looking for Rob C, cheif of sales slime, and another 5 minutes reading and signing a long disclosure/libility/ pray-to-god form I helped JT push the ST out into the mess in the parking lot. We went over the the controls, I put the tank bag from the Hawk into the right saddlebag, and my wife put everything else into the left saddlebag. ( Thats nice.... ) Having helped push the ST out to the lot, I thought it best to have JT move it to the edge of the road, away from the 100+ bikes and 100+ people. He rode it like a bicycle! 'It cant be that heavy' I thought. Well I was wrong. As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could think was ""big"". Then I put one foot up. ""Heavy"" came to mind very quickly. With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back? Hard to tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road. By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear. Even on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that did not yet bite the disks, things seems smooth and sure. Cycles! is on a section of 128 that few folks ever ride. About 30 miles north of the computer concentration, about five miles north of where I95 splits away, 128 is a lighly travelled, two lane limited access highway. It goes through heavily forested sections of Hamilton, Manchester-by-the-Sea and Newbury on its way to Gloucester. On its way there, it meets 133, a road that winds from the sea about 30 miles inland to Andover. On its way it goes through many thoroughly New England spots. Perfect, if slow, sport touring sections. Cindy has no difficulty with speed. 3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along in top gear. This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk. Lane changes were a new experience. A big heft is required to move this thing. Responds well though. No wallowing or complaint. Behind the fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was non-trivial. Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of, but it is pleasant. If only the bars were not transmitting an endless buzz. The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the brakes. Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius, decreasing radius turn. A real squeeze is needed on the front binder. The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban. The ST works ok in this section, but it shows its weight. We went by the clam shack oft featured in ""Spencer for Hire"" -- a place where you could really find ""Spencer"", his house was about 15 miles down 133. After putting through traffic for a while, we turned and went back to 128. About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal for ""hold on tight"". Head check left, time to find redline. Second gear gives a good shove. Third too. Fourth sees DoD speed with a short shift into top. On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light traffic. Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new. Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok. Tried some high effort lane changes, some wide sweeping turns. Time to wick it up? I went until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat. And stayed there. When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering, I looked down to find an indicated 135mph. Not bad for 2-up touring. Beverly comes fast at more than twice the posted limit. At the ""get off in a mile"" sign, I rolled off the throttle and coasted. I wanted to re-adjust to the coming slowness. It was a good idea: there were several manhole-sized patches of sand on the exit ramp. Back to the slow and heavy behavior. Cycles! is about a mile from 128. I could see even more cars stacked up outside right when I got off. I managed to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad out front. Heavy. It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put the thing on the center stand. I am sure that if I used the side stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute. My demo opinion? Heavy. Put it on a diet. Smooth, comfortable, hardly notices the DoD speed. I'd buy on for about $3000 less than list, just like it is. Too much $ for the bike as it is. -- Frank Evan Perdicaro Xyvision Color Systems Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today. 101 Edgewater Drive inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572 Wakefield MA outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572 018801285 " 11290,3,"From: biernat@rtsg.mot.com (Tim Biernat) Subject: Re: No 32-bit box on Gateway Nntp-Posting-Host: tophat1 Organization: Motorola, Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr16.153330.12087@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes: >While playing around with my Gateway 2000 local-bus machine last >night, it became apparent that Windows 3.1 didn't give the option >for 32-bit access for virtual memory. > >I am using a permanent swap file, and the disk drive is on the local >bus interface. > >Is this expected, or should I be investigating further why no 32-bit >option appears? you need to massage few switches in your system.ini. in the virtual memory section, flip the 32bitaccess switch on and the associated driver (wdctl or some such) switch on. this will enable 32bit access, but be sure you can use it, as not all hard drives and controllers support it ! ...for seriously fast disk access: 1) throw out WINDOZE 2) install OS/2 i did this weekend - OS/2 is incredible. finally a REAL OS for the humble PC :) -- tim " 11291,10,"From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam Subject: Atlanta Hockey Hell!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu Well, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the local ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing David Brinkley at 12:30 instead of an earlier time slot. I don't even understand their problem. If they didnt think enough people would not watch the game why would they decide to show most of the game? And if they showed the remaining 2.5 hours of the game, would it hurt to play David Brinkley at its regular time? They dont have any decent programming before noon anyway. I called the sports dept and blasted them on their machine. I called gain and someone picked it up. When I asked him why they premepted the first half hour of the Stanley Cup playoffs, he seemed a bit confused. When I explained a bit more in detail, he then said that's upto to our programming dept. call back on Monday. weel, I understand that the sports dept is not responsible for this preemption. BUt I can't understand how someone in the sports dept. can't even recognise the name of playoffs shown on the very same station he works for. Anyway, I am going to call them tomorrow and blast them on the phone again. I urge all Atlanta hockey fans to call WSB 2 and ask them not to do the same thing for the next 4 weeks. -Pravin Ratnam(Oh by the way, Pens rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) " 11292,11,"From: koontzd@phobos.lrmsc.loral.com (David Koontz ) Subject: Will FEDs troll for mutilated law enforcement blocks? Originator: koontzd@phobos Organization: Loral Rolm Computer Systems Lines: 121 From Denning: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block. Where the session key is K, and is transmitted encrypted in the unit Key U. Which along with the serial number N is encrypted in the Family key F. Presumably the protocol can be recovered (if by nothing else, differential analysis). Postulate if you will, a chip (or logic) sitting between the clipper chip and its communications channel. The function of this spoof chip is twofold: 1) Transmit Channel The spoof chip XORs the 30 bit encrypted serial number with a secondary keying variable. This renders the serial number unrecoverable with just the family key 2) Receive Channel The spoof chip XORs the incoming encrypted serial number with a secondary keying variable (assuming integrity of the law enforcement block is necessary for local operation - checksums, sequence control, etc.). This has the net result of hiding the serial number. It is probable theere is a known plaintext pattern used as a filler in the block containing N (34 bits as used in generating U, U1,U2) correctness of the law enforcement block can be determined with only the family key F. Whereas, no one has proposed Federal Agencies be denied F, and because they could recover it themselves, The correctness of the serial number can be tested by examining the pad bits of N in E[N; F]. The one could selectively alter the law enforcement block as above, but the mutilation could be detected. A better approach would be to mutilate the entire law enforcement block. If it were done with a group encryption scheme such as DES or (presumably) Skipjack, the chances the law enforcement block can be recovered are lessened. What do you want to bet the transmission protocol can be recognized and the serial numbers decrypted in a target search? When digital transmission becomes widely available, would there be a requirement that clipper protocol transmissions be refused when containing mutilated law enforcement blocks? One way to avoid notice, would be to spoof protocol information of the block containing M, as well as spoofing the law enforcement block. The goal is to use a secure communications scheme, without redress to detection or key K interception (contained encrypted within the law enforcement block). The data stream is returned to its original state for use by the clipper chip (or system) if required, for proper operation. It is somewhat improbable that the entire protocol will be contained within the clipper chip, yet likely that sequence of events will be tested for, requiring a valid law enforcement block to be received before accepting and decrypting E(M; K); The spoof chip could be implemented anywhere in the protocols, including on the resulting serial data stream. Existing clipper products could be subborned. After all, they are high security encryption systems right? Super encipherment/encryption could allow the chip to be used without redress to detection of the use of the chip, or disclosure of the serial number. Security must be adequate to deny the serial number, which should not be recoverable by other means. One can see the use of cut outs for procurring clipper phones, or once the number of units is high enough, stealing them. It would be a mistake on the part of authority, but nice from a point of privacy, if the serial number N were not associated with a particular clipper chip or lot of chips through the manufacturing and distribution process. Hopefully the list of known missing or stolen clipper serial numbers N encrypted with F, and the protocols are not sufficient plaintext to attact the super encrypted clipper stream. This could be further made difficult by altering the temporal and or spatial relationship of the clipper stream to that of the super encrypted stream. Detection of an encrypted stream could tip off the use of the aforementioned scheme. ****************************************************************************** If you could capture valid law enforcement blocks not your own, and use them in a codebook sustitution with your own, where they point to a valid law enforcement block stored in a library utilizing a session key matching the remainder of the transmission, you could simply out and out lie, yet deliver to monitoring and/or hostile forces a seemingly valid law enforcement block. These captured law enforcement blocks would be used as authenticators, such as in a manually keyed encryption system. Fending this off would require escalation in examining the protocols and blocks in the transmission. The M code stream might be independently attacked based on knowledge of clipper chip protocols as revealed plaintext. This could be invalidated by changing the temporal and or spatial relationship of the clipper M stream and the actual transmitted stream, under the control of a secure key generator synchronized between endpoints. The useful life time of captured law enforcement blocks might be limited based on hostile forces using them as targets following transmission interception. You would need a large number of them, but, hey there's supposed to be millions of these things, right? Adding time stamps to the encrypted law enforcement block is probably impractical, who wants an encryption chip with a real time clock? ***************************************************************************** The entire idea of the law enforcement block can be invalidated. " 11293,10,"From: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) Subject: Re: Wings will win Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >All of this is fine. I never said that Murray was a bad GM. I merely said >that he isn't the best GM in hockey- or even a contender for that honor. >If Murray is as great as you claim- the Wings would have won the Stanley Cup >by now- probably more than once. If he was as great a GM as you claim I think you missed one of my points there. It takes *more* than a great GM to win a stanley cup, even once. Some of the guys on the list you gave earlier never won one. I agree that you and I could probably argue back and forth for days to no avail about who is the best GM in hockey- that is a matter of opinion, and who is to say my opinion is any better than yours or yours than mine? But the point of my *original* original post (if not well stated) was that Murray has the GM abilities but not the coaching abilities. Which leads to below: >and he was as poor a coach as you claim- he would have been intelligent >enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success. I think at this point there's a personal, emotional element involved here which transcends Murray's logical thought. As outsiders, it's fine for us to say, ""He should hire a different coach."" In fact, he has talked about doing so in the past. But, the press (here in Detroit, at least) has so built up this business about Murray never getting past the second round of the playoffs as a coach, that I think he has taken it upon himself to prove to the world that he *is* capable of coaching a team past the second round. He needs to, as the papers say, ""get that monkey off his back."" So it becomes a matter not of intelligence, but of pride. Is it foolish to let pride stand in the way of sound logic? Perhaps, but we're all a little that way from time to time. I think eventually he'll step down from behind the bench and concentrate on his GM duties, and the team will improve as a result. I think his coaching duties take away time he might have otherwise spent on GM work. In that sense, once he steps down as coach, we'll see how good of a GM he really is. >But Murray is an average (unspectacular) NHL coach and a pretty good GM >so none of this is true anyway. I may not agree with everything you've said, but it's been fun discussing it with you. >Gregmeister --Randy " 11294,19,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Catholic Right & Pat Robertson Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 18 In <93105.093812KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes: >Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business >executive wrote: ""Separation of church and state is a false premise >that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of >our constitution."" blechhhh. Gimme that ole' time Inquisition ... >Oh yes, the organization's ""national ecclesisatical advisor"" is >Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York. It figures, doesn't it? -- Michael L. Siemon We must know the truth, and we must mls@ulysses.att.com love the truth we know, and we must - or - act according to the measure of our love. mls@panix.com -- Thomas Merton " 11295,1,"From: rubery@saturn.aitc.rest.tasc.com. (Dan Rubery) Subject: Graphic Formats Organization: TASC Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.aitc.rest.tasc.com I am writing some utilies to convert Regis and Tektonic esacpe sequences into some useful formats. I would rather not have to goto a bitmap format. I can convert them to Window Meta FIles easily enough, but I would rather convert them to Corel Draw, .CDR, or MS Power Point, .PPT, files. Microsoft would not give me the format. I was wondering if anybody out there knows the formats for these two applications. " 11296,16,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 50 brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: >You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make >sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. >Say U.S.C. 922 : >(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for >any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. > Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" >might also be an artificial entity that is created by government >and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I >don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on >an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell >me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law >does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional >until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not >just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" >Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told >by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? >-- >Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" >Support Engineer \`o_O' >Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark >brians@atlastele.com U I'm not a lawyer but to the best of my understanding, the Congress has no more rights than what is enumerated in the constitution. That is the prime reason why the National Firearms Act is based on collecting revenue. Since the Congress has the authority to levy taxes, the NFA is a tax act and the registration requirement within it is to assist in that tax collection. U.S.C 922, in order to be constitutional, must have a basis on a particular authority granted to the Congress by the Constitution. Congress can not arbitrarily ban a substance or product. That is why prohibition came into effect, only by passing an ammendment. What you said about constitutionality of law needs to be clarified. I believe that an unconstitutional law was never constitutional. When a law is determined by the Supreme Court, to be unconstitutional, that law was never really a law. The very nature of the law being unconstitutional invalidates the law at it's inception. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but when a law is deemed to be unconstitutional, anyone convicted of breaking that law is absolved. I don't believe U.S.C 922 has ever been challenged in court. NFA has been invalidated in two Federal District Court cases( one may have been appellate level{ U.S. vs Rock Island Armory and U.S. vs Dalton}). " 11297,5,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Converting contents of X-window to color postscript Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <1993Apr8.200441.9423@jwminhh.hanse.de>, wieck@jwminhh.hanse.de (Jan Wieck) writes: |> mbheprg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Raju Gurung) writes: |> : Jeff Haferman (haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote: |> : > Can somebody point me to source code for dumping the contents of |> : > an X-window into a color postscript file? I have written |> : > an app which brings up an X-window, and I want (at the click |> : > of the mouse) to dump the window into a postscript file. |> : |> : |> : |> : I use xwd and xwd2ps. To do it from within a program I use |> : xwd -id xxxxx where xxxxx is the window id obtained from XtWindow(widget). |> |> He asked for sources. |> |> The portable bitmap tools from Jef Poskanzer |> include filters to do that (and much |> more). |> BTW, the X11 tools come as sources. The sillyness of most vendors lets you stuck with binaries. Anyway, have a look onto xgrab/xgrabsc. It does the IMHO best job for this, including compression. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ " 11298,13,"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 61 In article <1qmlgaINNjab@hp-col.col.hp.com>, cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: |> |> Jason Chen writes: |> > Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one |> > suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But |> > if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. |> |> ---------- |> |> Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left |> out the part about ""we all ate the same thing."" Changes things a bit, eh? Food poisoning is only one of the many possible causes. Yes, even other people share the food. |> |> You complain that people blame MSG automatically, since it's an unknown and |> therefore must be the cause. It is equally (if not more) unreasonable to |> defend it, automatically assuming that it CAN'T be the culprit. Boy, you computer people only know 1s and 0s, but not much about logic. :-) No. I did not said MSG was not the culprit. What I argued was that that there was enough reasonable doubt to convict MSG. If you want to convict MSG, show me the evidence, not quilty by suspicion. |> Pepper makes me sneeze. If it doesn't affect you the same way, fine. |> Just don't tell me I'm wrong for saying so. Nobody is forcing you to change what you believe. But I certainly don't want to see somebody preach to ban pepper because that makes him/her sneeze. That is exactly what some anti-MSG activitiests are doing |> These people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its |> (optional) ingredients. Try not to take it so personally. Look, people with a last Chen don't necessarily own a Chinese restaurant. I am not interested if you enjoy Chinese food or not. Exploiting my last name to discredit me on the issue is hitting below the belt. What I am interested in is the truth. Let me give you an excert from a recent FDA hearing: ``There is no evidence orally consumed glutamate has any effect on the brain,'' said Dr. Richard Wurtman of Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The anecdotal experiences of individuals is ``superstition, not science,'' he said. ``I don't think glutamate has made them sick.'' And Dr. Robert Kenney of George Washington University conducted an double blind test in 1980 showing that the 35 people who reacted to MSG also had similar reaction when they thought they had MSG but actually not. Although there are many contradicting personal stories told in this group, some of them might have been due to other causes. But because the anti MSG emotion runs so high, that some blame it for anything and everything. My purpose is to present a balance view on the issue, although I am probably 20-1 outnumbered. Jason Chen " 11299,3,"From: sjp@ogre.apana.org.au (Steven Pemberton) Subject: Any info on Cyrix 486DRu2 chip? Distribution: world Organization: Home Sweet Home Lines: 16 Cyrix have released a 386 pin-conpatible 486 clone. Designed to upgrade old 16 & 20MHz 386's the chips are also clockdoubling. Thus a 16MHz 386 can be transformed into a 32MHz 486, with a single chip upgrade. Unfortunately in Australia the DRu2 sells for $700A (16MHz) and $1000A (20MHz), about 1.5x the price of a 486dx33 motherboard with two vlb slots!!! How much do these thing cost in the States? How well do they work? Thanks for any info, Steven Pemberton \o/ 486 NoteBook ------------------------------- | ---------------------------- sjp@ogre.apana.org.au / \ OS/2 2.0 " 11300,17,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: |> |> There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report |> on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the |> Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis |> used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. |> So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. |> They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. Please list the names of some of those neutral reporters that were killed in the ""O.T."". It is also interesting to note that at the outbreak of the intifada, palestinian parties quickly began orchestrating their demonstrations for the benefit of the media. Having spoken to a Danish reporter who covered the initfada, I know of at least one case where he found out that a ""mass demonstration"" on the outskirts of Gaza was setup for himself and his colleagues. When I asked whether the footage shot was sent he replied affirmatively, ""after all, it did happen."" When this became the case, the IDF began closing sensitive trouble spots to reporters. |> Anas Omran |> -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies. Cambridge, MA | " 11301,4,"From: bchase@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Bret Chase) Subject: Re: 68040 Specs. Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu In article ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes ... >>I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: >>(if you only know one, that's fine) >>>>>>>>>stuff deleted<<<<<<<<< Have you tried the library? Since you go to WPI (so do I), go to AK and look on the first floor, a professor has posted an IEEE (i believe) spec sheet on the 68060 which is around 10 pages long. I'm sure the library has the info you request, It's just a matter of finding it. Hope this helps, Bret Chase -- internet:bchase@wpi.wpi.edu Macintosh! bellnet: (508) 791-3725 Smile! It won't kill you! snailnet: wpi box 3129 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 100 institute rd. Worcester, MA 01609-2280 " 11302,1,"From: Mike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo) Subject: Re: ""Fake"" virtual reality Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 11 The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the ""Virtual Reality Clothing Company"" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As far as I can tell it's just another ""chic"" clothes spot. Although it would be interesting if they were selling ""virtual clothing"".... E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get some promotional lit. MP (8^)- " 11303,6,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: Your Custom Resume on Disk!! Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 11 In article <0fk=zHq00Uh_88eb0u@andrew.cmu.edu> Tami Grudzinski writes: > Your Custom Resume On Disk! > > *Macintosh or IBM compatible!* > > Never pay the high cost of copy service again. We will completely >develop and format your custom resume package and mail you the disk or > [blah blah blah deleted] Who's ""We""? Carnegie Mellon? " 11304,11,"From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen) Subject: Re: Is there ANY security in the Clipper? Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA Lines: 35 In article zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) writes: >It seems to me that all discussions about Clipper security are almost >irrelevant - if I cannot choose the key, but have to use a key chosen for >me by the foundry, the security of the WHOLE UNIVERSE OF USERS is as good >(or as bad) as the security of VLSI Technologies Inc. - or their handlers. >It is a trivial effort to run any ciphertext agains ALL THE KEYS EVER >MANUFACTURED - after all we are talking about 1 to 100 million keys that >will ever be manufactured. The key depositories can be as secure and >incorruptible as they wish to be, nobody cares anyway...:-( They key depositories are IRRELEVANT. In order for the applicable law enformcement agencies to be able to know what keys to request from escrow, the system will have to squawk its serial number in clear text as part of the link establishment protocol. Whoever owns the program that assigns keys to each serial number won't need access to the key depository. In other words, the FBI may need a court-ordered release of escrowed keys, but the NSA has the keys before the chip is ever manufactured. There is no need to go through the escrow or to try all keys. While relations between law enforment agencies have sometimes been strained, there is also a long history of trading favors. This will re-establish the NSA as a very important agency for everyone to get along with, because they can give you untraceable encryption leaks without court orders. The more I think about this affair, the fouler it smells. I'd rather have a DES with an engineered-in backdoor ... -- / Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer Internet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l Telephone: +1-805-968-4262 Santa Barbara, CA 93117-3083 TeleFAX: +1-805-968-8256 " 11305,10,"From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: TPS will stay on the top... Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne01.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. MIGHTY ONES GET MIGHTIER: TPS, the Finnish Champions 1992/3, are getting still stronger! I just heard some news, according to which TPS has acquired the next Finnish hockey superstar(??) Jere Lehtinen from Kiekko-Espoo! There are also some rumours about Erik Kakko (Reipas) and Marko Jantunen (KalPa) being traded to TPS. Both of this players are currently on the Finnish olympic team. I think that Jantunen is drafted to the NHL, too. BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good playoff games against TPS! Hannu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GO JETS GO ! >>>>>>>> TEEMU ! >>>>>>> TEPPO ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TAPPARA >>>>>> CANADIENS >>>>>>> BLACKHAWKS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " 11306,7,"From: tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) Subject: Is car saftey important? Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.141.0.88 Reply-To: tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 11 I was recently thumbing through the 1993 Lemon-Aid New Car Guide. What I found was a car would be given a 'Recommended' under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed in a front end collision. The most highly recommended small car (The Civic) has the worst crash rating of all of the small cars listed. There were many such cases of 'great' vehicles where you wouldn't survive an accident. Is it only me, or is safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car? " 11307,13,"From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) Subject: _The Andromeda Strain_ Summary: How well does it hold up? Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Lines: 28 Just had the opportunity to watch this flick on A&E -- some 15 years since I saw it last. I was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases (and similar toxic substances). Clearly they ""faked"" a lot of the computer & robotic technology; certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself, let alone the idea of a ""space germ"". Quite coincidentally [actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again] I watched a segment on the otherwise awful _How'd They Do That?_ dealing with a disease researcher at the CDC's top lab. There was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be ""cracked"" so to speak by man or nature (short of deliberate bombing from the air, perhaps). And the researchers used ""spacesuits"" similar to that in the film. I'm curious what people think about this film -- short of ""silly"". Is such a facility technically feasible today? As far as the plot, and the crystalline structure that is not Life As We Know It, that's a whole 'nother argument for rec.arts.sf.tech or something. -- | Next: a Waco update ... an Ohio prison update ... a Bosnia update ... a | | Russian update ... an abortion update ... and a Congressional update ... | | here on SNN: The Standoff News Network. All news, all standoff, all day | Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract " 11308,15,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Galatians 6:9 " 11309,8,"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Expires: 15 May 93 05:00:00 GMT Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma. Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr9.172953.12408@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: >The rider (pilot?) of practically every riceburner I've passed recently >has waved to me and I'm wondering if it will last. Could they simply be >overexuberant that their 'burners have been removed from winter moth-balls >and the novelty will soon dissipate? Perhaps the gray beard that sprouted >since the last rice season makes them think I'm a friendly old fart that >deserves a wave... Maybe...then again did you get rid of that H/D of yorn and buy a rice rocket of your own? That would certainly explain the friendliness...unless you maybe had a piece of toilet paper stuck on the bottom of your boot...8-). Rich Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" " 11310,5,From: stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson) Subject: MOOLIT and OLIT Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations? I have recntly downloaded a copy of wkshTree written by Eric Wallengren of Univel. There are many widgets that are apparently available only to MOOLIT but not OLIT. Is there a wkshTree program available under OLIT? steved@cfcl.com 11311,16,"From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) Subject: Need Senate Bill numbers and House Resolution numbers Lines: 30 Sorry for posting this here, but noone has replied to my post from the politics side of the group. I want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights. But first, I need to get a little more educated. I've been reading all the magzines and books I can get my hands on, and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the Internet. I want to obtain a COMPLETE list of Senate Bill and House Resolution names/numbers. Can anyone tell me how/where to obtain this info? Surely there has to be a way to obtain copies of anti-gun legislation from those *&%$#@'s in Washington. Any help is appreciated. /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Peter D. Nesbitt | Air Traffic Controller | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM | | | Oakland Bay TRACON | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | CBR600F2 Pilot | NRA Member CCX1380F | S&W .41 Magnum Carrier | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ " 11312,18,"From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) Subject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase ""loses"" money Organization: NWO Steering Committee Distribution: na Lines: 46 In <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez: >In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: >> >> No, I'm saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large >>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a) >>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by >>accumlated gains. > >To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains >taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren't for there >to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised. > I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that >more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort >""trends"". Even if Brett's eventual-return figures were correct -- and they clearly weren't -- he'd still be wrong about the cause for the '86 blip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors: 1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find oneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term that require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a few weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with preferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former. 2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of what would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects beside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to unsophisticated investors in late 1986 to ""sell now and save on taxes."" In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar advice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice was based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986), but merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates (without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal). It's nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal economic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless pulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe accurately what happens in the real world. -- MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents Before You Start in to be Rough - George Ade Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck " 11313,4,"From: lau@aerospace.aero.org (David Lau) Subject: Re: Accelerating the MacPlus...;) Nntp-Posting-Host: michigan.aero.org Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA Lines: 17 Also, if someone would recommend another > accelerator for the MacPlus, I'd like to hear about it. > > Thanks for any time and effort you expend on this! > > Karl Try looking at the Brainstorm Accelerator for the Plus. I believe it is the best solution because of the performance and price. Why spend $800 upgrading a computer that is only worth $300 ???? The brainstorm accelerator is around $225. It speeds up the internal clock speed to 16MHz. That may not seem like much but it also speeds up SCSI transfers. I think that feature is unique to brainstorm. Check it out. David Lau lau@aerospace.aero.org "